| 00:00.48 | syslq | darkex: check your runlevel and corresponding rcX.d dir |
| 00:00.59 | syslq | darkex: once there do ls -la and you'll see symlinks to scripts in init.d |
| 00:01.18 | darkex | k |
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| 00:08.48 | darkex | one last question |
| 00:08.56 | darkex | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 00:08.57 | darkex | permitted by applicable law. |
| 00:08.57 | darkex | You have mail. |
| 00:09.01 | darkex | how do i read the mail |
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| 00:14.51 | llua | how do i make a program look in a dir for a dependency if said program isn't unable to find it on its own? |
| 00:15.08 | llua | is unable* |
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| 00:37.07 | Empis | hmm |
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| 00:39.59 | richo | Hi, I realise this isn't probably the right place to ask but it's the best I can think of. I'm after a package basically like procmail, but to login to an imap store and periodically sort my mail into folders |
| 00:40.12 | richo | sadly the mail is hosted offsite and I can't use procmail to sort it as it's recieved. |
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| 00:47.39 | chetan | /jopin/join mikrotik |
| 00:47.50 | Devastator | does anybody know why "aptitude -t lenny-backports safe-upgrade" would want to install bind9-host? |
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| 00:49.30 | moldovean | Devastator, need to safe-upgrade to lenny-backports ? |
| 00:49.59 | Devastator | moldovean isn't that the correct way to use lenny with backports? |
| 00:50.38 | richo | Devastator: huh? You only want to install the packages you actually need from backports |
| 00:50.52 | richo | the idea is that you get a few more recent packages, but for the most part a stable system |
| 00:51.03 | Devastator | understood |
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| 00:51.30 | lmaowaffle | have you done pinning correctly? |
| 00:52.14 | moldovean | lmaowaffle, pinning for lenny-backports ? |
| 00:52.15 | Devastator | lmaowaffle what do you mean? I just finished installing base system |
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| 00:52.36 | moldovean | Devastator, yes it take 3 days ... |
| 00:52.57 | moldovean | even takes* |
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| 00:53.10 | vysical | hi |
| 00:53.15 | Devastator | you lost me |
| 00:53.28 | vysical | what does it mean if i get this message from my server: kernel:[3663876.806207] EDAC MC0: UE page 0x29899, offset 0x100, grain 128, row 0, labels ":": i3000 UE |
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| 00:56.19 | moldovean | vysical, debian kernel ? which one |
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| 00:58.00 | peterrooney | vysical: my first guess is that your memory controller is having problems, but is able to recover. |
| 00:58.53 | vysical | moldovean: 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP |
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| 01:07.01 | vysical | now i'm getting http://pastebin.com/L5TZTER2 - can anyone help? :s |
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| 01:09.18 | dvs | wonders why people dont read error messages |
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| 01:10.46 | vysical | dvs: i don't know what Bad page state in process 'kswapd0' means |
| 01:11.07 | dvs | vysical: what about line 8? |
| 01:11.48 | vysical | hm, sounds good :P |
| 01:11.50 | vysical | sorry |
| 01:11.51 | vysical | thankls |
| 01:15.01 | n00n3r | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes |
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| 01:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | vysical: There is a more recent kernel: |
| 01:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 01:35.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-16); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 01:40.05 | KB1JWQ | My Fedora VM has been crashing once a week, while my Debian VM has been rock solid for a month so far. Makes me seriously reconsider changing things up. :-) |
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| 01:45.39 | illuminatedwax | Hi, I am running the latest stable 64-bit debian, and my GNU tar program (v. 1.20) doesn't have the "--keep-newer-files" option for some reason! Does Debian use a weird version of tar or something? |
| 01:46.09 | jmad980 | it might not be in that version |
| 01:46.26 | jmad980 | I wouldn't see why it would be deliberatly taken out |
| 01:46.35 | illuminatedwax | oh nm |
| 01:46.59 | illuminatedwax | apparently the command line order has gotten pickier since an older version |
| 01:47.17 | illuminatedwax | i put the arguments in a different order |
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| 01:47.55 | illuminatedwax | and it worked |
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| 01:48.52 | poincare101 | Hello. I'm having trouble mounting a USB flash (1 GB). When I plug it in, GNOME tells me: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume. What should I do? |
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| 01:52.42 | xiangfu | poincare101: what is the last few lines of 'dmesg' |
| 01:55.57 | poincare101 | xiangfu: [ 1050.070048] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 01:55.57 | poincare101 | [ 1050.070061] sda: sda1 |
| 01:55.57 | poincare101 | [ 1050.071062] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 01:56.14 | poincare101 | oops. I pasted it in here by mistake. Sorry! |
| 01:56.59 | poincare101 | xiangfu: ? |
| 01:59.15 | xiangfu | poincare101: have you format your usb disk? is it a new one? |
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| 02:03.23 | kingsley | Why would a USB thundrive's data be accessible by a camera, but not by a desktop computer via the "lsusb" or "gphoto2 --auto-detect" commands? |
| 02:03.25 | gumpy | Does anyone have 82801JI (ICH10) working with 5 speakers? |
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| 02:09.54 | kingsley | Heh! Now, six minutes later, lsusb sees it. |
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| 02:12.09 | poincare101 | xiangfu: it loads fine on windows on my other lappy |
| 02:13.47 | mzb | any snmp guru's around? I'm trying to declare a 'placeholder' in snmp whose value is set remotely (and triggers a trap script) |
| 02:13.54 | mzb | (I think this is the right way to do it) |
| 02:14.34 | mzb | in the past I've used extend to define my own stuff, where the value is set by the result of a script |
| 02:15.21 | mzb | in this case, I want the remote machine to do 'snmpset' |
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| 02:15.43 | xiangfu | poincare101: can you past all 'dmesg' and 'mount' output to somewhere . maybe : http://pastebin.com/ :) |
| 02:16.04 | poincare101 | xiangfu: okay, just a second. |
| 02:17.01 | acrocycle | Trying to get my bluetooth mouse working... been searching for all day for info... does anyone know if the Asus USB-BT21 dongle works with Debian? |
| 02:17.14 | acrocycle | I cannot find anything definitive. |
| 02:17.38 | poincare101 | xiangfu: http://pastebin.com/TLwJYRRg |
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| 02:18.00 | poincare101 | acrocycle: what's exactly the problem? is bluetooth not working? |
| 02:18.18 | acrocycle | Trying to get my mouse to show up... or anything... it doesn't work. |
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| 02:19.13 | acrocycle | lsusb shows the dongle there |
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| 02:20.08 | acrocycle | /etc/init.d/bluetooth start is run successfully. |
| 02:20.10 | xiangfu | poincare101: have your try the manual mount : mount /dev/sda1 /mnt? if not work. past the error message . |
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| 02:22.14 | poincare101 | xiangfu: I'll try that. |
| 02:24.07 | poincare101 | xiangfu: no errors, mounts perfectly. |
| 02:24.56 | poincare101 | xiangfu: but, I had to be root. |
| 02:25.03 | poincare101 | xiangfu: it wouldn't let me do it otherwise. |
| 02:25.35 | xiangfu | poincare101: yes. only root can run 'mount' command. |
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| 02:26.53 | xiangfu | poincare101: don't know why gnome can not mount it correct. maybe something wrong with the gvfs daemon. maybe it run too fast. from the dmesg it's need 5 secs for scan |
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| 02:27.43 | xiangfu | poincare101: don't know why. maybe other can answer :-) |
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| 03:08.00 | acrocycle | Anyone know anything about the Asus Bluetooth USB-BT21 dongle, off hand? Trying to get it to work and havne't found anything definitive about it all day. |
| 03:08.17 | acrocycle | Trying to get my bluetooth mouse working with it. |
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| 03:10.54 | hansin | Does anyone know, if I just need a Git CLI client, what package I should install? I don't need a full on Git server, just a CLI client. Thanks. |
| 03:13.55 | SparFux | hansin: Does package "git" contain the server? |
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| 03:15.37 | SparFux | hansin: I think not. So answer is "git". |
| 03:16.11 | hansin | I can't tell for sure. The packages.debian.org description says it has minimal dependencies, and all the dependencies are basic libs. But no reference to server. So yeah, maybe that is right. Thanks. |
| 03:16.49 | SparFux | in my package "git" I find no server aat least. |
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| 03:17.20 | hansin | I just wanted to be sure as it doesn't clearly state that it is just the client, only that it is minimal and has no GUI items. Sounds like "git" is "it". Thanks! |
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| 03:17.40 | SparFux | np |
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| 03:34.35 | rking | It's interesting how this channel is swamped during some hours but dies hard near midnight. Any thoughts on what is a peak hour? |
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| 03:34.41 | rking | (I just want to answer questions sometimes) |
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| 03:35.37 | libertad0_ | hi, I'm searching a USB drive with hardware password protection |
| 03:35.40 | libertad0_ | some idea? |
| 03:36.04 | libertad0_ | I want save my database backups |
| 03:36.13 | libertad0_ | in a Secure USB hardware protection |
| 03:36.26 | krisfremen | libertad0_: truecrypt |
| 03:36.27 | libertad0_ | with password or with a non comun driver |
| 03:37.13 | libertad0_ | non software protection |
| 03:37.20 | libertad0_ | I want a hardware protection |
| 03:37.37 | libertad0_ | The usb pendrive need to be a hardware not comun |
| 03:37.43 | libertad0_ | or with a hard driver |
| 03:37.54 | libertad0_ | I dont want a universal USB drive |
| 03:37.59 | libertad0_ | do you undestand me? |
| 03:38.28 | comradekingu | "fileserver" installed samba, its a trap! |
| 03:38.40 | xxtjaxx | My grub fails claiming symbol grub_xputs could not be found. it entered rescue mode now. what has to be done now? newer grub isnt so friendly as to tell you what options you have in a help or ? command |
| 03:39.13 | libertad0_ | I want to save my database backups in that usb |
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| 03:41.15 | xxtjaxx | ,grub |
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| 03:41.32 | xxtjaxx | dpkg grub2 |
| 03:41.32 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). Manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition . #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:41.44 | krisfremen | libertad0_: there is no such thing |
| 03:42.00 | xxtjaxx | dpkg grub2 squeeze |
| 03:42.00 | dpkg | The squeeze installers install GRUB 2 on x86 (grub-pc) by default; see http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-boot/2009/debian-boot.2009-09-21-20.00.log.html for more, see also <grub2 config>. Don't want it? Boot in expert mode and don't elect to install GRUB 2, or install the grub-legacy package after installation. http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/GRUB2asDefault |
| 03:42.02 | krisfremen | libertad0_: you can encrypt the whole partition of the usb, it won't be recognizable by anything |
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| 03:42.45 | libertad0_ | I want a unrecognizable hardware |
| 03:42.59 | libertad0_ | I dont want a data encripted |
| 03:43.23 | libertad0_ | I want a un hard driver for a non comun usb disk or pendrive |
| 03:44.20 | libertad0_ | I need a hard hardware, a dispositive unknow |
| 03:45.15 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: then make your own. |
| 03:45.20 | xxtjaxx | libertad0_: so you want a disposable one that like explodes after usage as in the bond movies? |
| 03:46.02 | libertad0_ | I work for a enterprise with hight levels of security |
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| 03:46.11 | annach | # Appears as ANNA |
| 03:46.18 | annach | (#G7::E010M1) Hello #debian |
| 03:46.26 | annach | (#G1<:E210M1) I am wondering why should I install DebianOS |
| 03:46.31 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: if you want a non-common one, then it goes without saying that you simply cannot buy one - because any store would sell common usb drives. |
| 03:46.39 | annach | (#G1<:E;10M1) I am currently using Windows 98 and it works for me. What does Debian have to offer me? |
| 03:46.59 | xxtjaxx | libertad0_: why you you want to use usb sticks then in the firstplace? sounds dumb to me |
| 03:47.22 | PinkFreud | annach: troll fail. |
| 03:47.29 | jmad980 | indeed |
| 03:47.44 | annach | (#G210E=10M1) ? |
| 03:47.45 | libertad0_ | The usb is a backup database |
| 03:47.52 | annach | (#G1<:E@10M1) I am no troll, I am asking a genuine question. |
| 03:47.57 | annach | (#G:4:E74:RM1) Please assist me. |
| 03:48.11 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: then you'll know how to make your own proprietary usb drive. why are you bugging us? |
| 03:48.16 | libertad0_ | I need save the database dump |
| 03:48.25 | annach | (#G56:E566RM1) don't be mean to me |
| 03:48.29 | xxtjaxx | libertad0_: use a save put them in there use an encrypted fs and get them out only when you need them |
| 03:48.42 | libertad0_ | But I dont want that someone plugin that usn in his house pc |
| 03:48.54 | libertad0_ | I want a unrecongnizable usb drive |
| 03:49.08 | xxtjaxx | and will know nothing of whats on there |
| 03:49.23 | xxtjaxx | because 1. he doesnt have the key to the enc.fs |
| 03:49.27 | libertad0_ | If the data is encripted the usb could be changed, |
| 03:49.30 | xxtjaxx | 2. he doesnt know the password |
| 03:49.50 | xxtjaxx | libertad0_: uh what do you mean? |
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| 03:49.58 | libertad0_ | Bud He could change dataencripted1 for dataencripted2 |
| 03:50.16 | xxtjaxx | libertad0_: no |
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| 03:50.39 | libertad0_ | or simply format the usb drive |
| 03:50.45 | PinkFreud | root____1: brilliant idea, ircing as root |
| 03:50.51 | xxtjaxx | libertad0_: no |
| 03:50.58 | libertad0_ | ? |
| 03:51.03 | Rusty1 | !root |
| 03:51.04 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 03:51.31 | libertad0_ | ? |
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| 03:51.35 | libertad0_ | xxtjaxx: ? |
| 03:51.49 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: Last time: make your own. |
| 03:52.04 | PinkFreud | You cannot buy an 'uncommon usb drive'. |
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| 03:52.21 | PinkFreud | If you want something proprietary, make it yourself. |
| 03:52.27 | libertad0_ | PinkFreud: A personalizable hardware driver |
| 03:52.31 | PinkFreud | This has nothing to do with debian |
| 03:52.41 | libertad0_ | PinkFreud: A customizable hardware driver |
| 03:52.46 | libertad0_ | for a recongnition |
| 03:52.54 | acrocycle | Anyone know how to make a new /etc/default/bluetooth file? dpkg-reconfigure bluetooth didn't work |
| 03:52.57 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: again, nothing to do with debian |
| 03:53.19 | PinkFreud | this is #debian, not #uncommon_usb_drives |
| 03:53.22 | libertad0_ | PinkFreud: thank you, good night |
| 03:53.59 | moldovean | !sunday |
| 03:54.00 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:54.51 | libertad0_ | http://shopper.cnet.com/usb-flash-drives/axiom-encrypted-hardware-protection/4014-3240_9-33717270.html |
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| 03:55.09 | PinkFreud | moldovean: appears so :/ |
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| 03:56.06 | libertad0_ | I want a non generic usb pendrive |
| 03:56.22 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: WRONG CHANNEL |
| 03:56.26 | moldovean | libertad0_, take it way |
| 03:56.40 | moldovean | away, even |
| 03:56.58 | libertad0_ | PinkFreud: shutdown init0 |
| 03:57.24 | libertad0_ | PinkFreud: turnoff -r |
| 03:57.27 | moldovean | !ops libertad0_ troll |
| 03:57.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: moldovean complains about: libertad0_ troll |
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| 03:57.42 | libertad0_ | I am not a troll |
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| 03:57.45 | libertad0_ | I have a question |
| 03:58.02 | libertad0_ | I undestand that it is a offtopic |
| 03:58.16 | moldovean | take it away , said many times |
| 03:58.21 | libertad0_ | but I dont want a stupid answer |
| 03:58.34 | libertad0_ | ok |
| 03:58.35 | acrocycle | ...anyone know how I can get a new /etc/default/bluetooth created? |
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| 03:59.14 | peterrooney | acrocycle: if you've removed it, you may have to invoke --forceconfmiss |
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| 04:00.14 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: moron. |
| 04:00.20 | zebradog | acrocycle, or try extracting the deb and seeing the file manually |
| 04:00.45 | acrocycle | peterrooney: not sure how to do that. |
| 04:01.05 | acrocycle | zebradog: good idea... I will try to find out where I can download the .deb file |
| 04:01.45 | moldovean | !confmiss |
| 04:01.46 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 04:01.54 | zebradog | acrocycle, apt-get --download-only install <packagename> , then you can extract, or use (ark?) to view the contents of the deb package.. |
| 04:02.38 | libertad0_ | Someone know a non generic usb storage? |
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| 04:04.27 | richo | ...... |
| 04:04.39 | richo | Are you serious libertad0_ ? If it's not generic then it's not USB storage. |
| 04:04.43 | PinkFreud | libertad0_: you appear to miss the point - this is #debian. your question has nothing to do with debian. ergo, you ARE IN THE WRONG CHANNEL |
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| 04:05.00 | richo | ^^ |
| 04:05.05 | libertad0_ | richo: mmm, then a USB key? |
| 04:05.25 | PinkFreud | !ops libertad0_ trolling |
| 04:05.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: pinkfreud complains about: libertad0_ trolling |
| 04:05.26 | libertad0_ | richo: Maybe is a diferent hardware |
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| 04:06.14 | libertad0_ | I remember a usb key with a diferent usb driver |
| 04:06.24 | moldovean | libertad0_, google exist |
| 04:06.33 | richo | libertad0_: Then I suggest you go find it, rather than asking in a totally unrelated channel |
| 04:06.46 | libertad0_ | richo: ok |
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| 04:07.02 | libertad0_ | I'm sorry |
| 04:07.20 | libertad0_ | moldovean: yes, but I dont have a keyword usefull |
| 04:07.29 | acrocycle | moldovean: ah... thank you for the info from dpkg |
| 04:07.44 | acrocycle | zebradog: thank you... will give it a shot. |
| 04:08.27 | moldovean | !tell acrocycle about confmiss |
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| 04:14.05 | acrocycle | moldovean: got the error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 04:14.59 | moldovean | it seems you missing others things |
| 04:15.08 | moldovean | too |
| 04:15.12 | acrocycle | hmmm |
| 04:15.26 | acrocycle | other config files are you thinking? |
| 04:16.41 | acrocycle | ... that is the only one I have removed... I have a copy but it is bad and it is not placed in the /etc/default/ dir |
| 04:16.57 | moldovean | try to install any package and see |
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| 04:19.55 | acrocycle | okay |
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| 04:20.54 | acrocycle | moldovean: installing a different, unrelated package just fine. |
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| 04:25.24 | acrocycle | moldovean: looks like this error occures in many different circumstances. |
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| 04:25.58 | moldovean | acrocycle, which command was used ? |
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| 04:26.51 | acrocycle | moldovean: Here is another part of the error I just notice: dpkg: need an action option |
| 04:27.03 | acrocycle | ...now I will copy the cmd I used. |
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| 04:27.33 | acrocycle | Capt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="force-confmiss" --reinstall install bluetooth |
| 04:27.43 | acrocycle | ooops. minus the "C" |
| 04:28.12 | moldovean | "install" is not needed |
| 04:28.24 | acrocycle | i'lll give it a try... I also noticed I forgot -- |
| 04:29.05 | acrocycle | moldovean: I have "(Reading database..." |
| 04:29.29 | acrocycle | moldovean: We are set. |
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| 04:29.50 | acrocycle | moldovean: Thank you for the help. Wish I knew of this long ago. |
| 04:30.00 | moldovean | np |
| 04:30.19 | acrocycle | Now, off to trying to get my bluetooth device to work again! Woot! |
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| 04:32.32 | acrocycle | Sleep also sounds good though. |
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| 04:35.59 | moldovean | acrocycle, anyways i was wrong, you too , but it worked, that's important .. |
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| 04:40.56 | IanL_ | When creating a package, what is the preferred way to add some code that should be run by /etc/profile? On ubuntu there is a /etc/profile.d/ where I could stick a script but debian stable doesn't seem to have anything like that. |
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| 04:42.58 | acrocycle | moldovean: I am usually wrong. Sometimes I can get things to work ;-) |
| 04:43.34 | acrocycle | I'm off to sleep going to get back to getting bluetooth to work tomorrow. Thanks, again, for the help moldovean! |
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| 05:12.03 | npoektop | hi! Keyboard does not work in gdm. It worked fine, but stopped without any reason. What might it be? |
| 05:14.55 | annach | (#G610E114RM1) WINDOWS BLOWS CHUNKS, BUT MS COMIC CHAT RULES |
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| 05:23.26 | Salvad1 | When Sqeeze will be stable? |
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| 05:23.51 | Salvad1 | Squeeze. |
| 05:24.12 | richo | Indeed. |
| 05:24.32 | tomkap | after august i read |
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| 05:26.06 | Salvad1 | I read about installing the Nvidia binary drivers and I have a question about that. |
| 05:27.03 | civillian | !nv |
| 05:27.03 | dpkg | nv is an Xorg driver for NVIDIA cards, packaged for Debian in xserver-xorg-video-nv. It does not support 3D acceleration with <DRI> and/or GLX. For 3D acceleration, use of the <non-free> "nvidia" driver is required, ask me about <nvidia>. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/nv http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/NVIDIA . See also <nouveau>. |
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| 05:28.04 | Salvad1 | If the kernel gets updated because of security/bug reasons; Would I have to rebuild the kernel module each time the kernel gets updated? |
| 05:28.50 | Salvad1 | I mean, not jump to a new major kernel version like from 2.6.32 to 2.6.33. |
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| 05:28.53 | richo | Salvad1: yes. |
| 05:29.21 | tomkap | Salvad1, if you install the driver from apt will be updated automatically |
| 05:29.39 | Salvad1 | Good to know. |
| 05:29.40 | tomkap | (i talk about non-free repos) |
| 05:30.52 | Salvad1 | But Debian ones or third party? |
| 05:31.09 | tomkap | Salvad1, debian |
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| 05:31.48 | Macer | my quest to block all of hinet.net continues |
| 05:31.50 | Macer | every day it seems like they have a new subnet |
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| 05:34.15 | civillian | Macer, que? |
| 05:35.22 | civillian | what has hinet got that you want to block? |
| 05:35.46 | tomkap | maybe spambots |
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| 05:36.05 | Salvad1 | Debian releases have no deadlines; Am I Right? |
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| 05:37.15 | npoektop | my keyboard suddenly stopped working in xorg after reboot. There are no errors in Xorg.0.log. What might it be? |
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| 05:41.28 | Macer | civillian: a bunch of spam ;) |
| 05:41.49 | Macer | they have 1000 hosts trying to relay through my mail server all day long |
| 05:42.05 | civillian | nasty... any reason they target you? |
| 05:42.07 | Macer | i think i have eliminated 99% of their subnets |
| 05:42.10 | Macer | no |
| 05:42.16 | Macer | just crawling |
| 05:42.20 | Macer | find port |
| 05:42.27 | Macer | attempt relay |
| 05:42.43 | Macer | hinet is horrible for it |
| 05:43.04 | tomkap | Macer, are from the same subnet? |
| 05:43.05 | Macer | no |
| 05:43.13 | Macer | they have like 20 of them |
| 05:43.16 | Macer | maybe more |
| 05:43.25 | civillian | I've only had 6 relay attempts today on my mail server |
| 05:43.33 | civillian | not bad |
| 05:43.47 | Macer | civillian: one is enough for me ;) |
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| 05:43.56 | Macer | i hate that sort of crap |
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| 05:46.00 | Macer | like brute force ssh attacks etc |
| 05:47.02 | civillian | oh yeah those are terrible. I always filter port 22 for all but a few IPs on the net |
| 05:47.12 | civillian | hehe "dpkg has quit (*.net *.split)" |
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| 05:47.44 | tomkap | civillian, Macer btw do you have any guide or tutorial on how to filter my ports? |
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| 05:48.10 | civillian | tomkap, well start with a debian machine :P |
| 05:48.41 | tomkap | :P |
| 05:49.07 | civillian | there must be tons of tutorials on the net |
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| 05:51.14 | infinity_ | how do i prevent apt-get from removing a package? setting it to hold doesn't seem to do it |
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| 05:58.48 | civillian | infinity_, what is the package in question? |
| 05:59.33 | infinity_ | http://pastebin.ca/1898816 |
| 05:59.52 | infinity_ | i don't want these removed: request-tracker3.8 rt3.8-db-mysql |
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| 06:03.02 | civillian | MariaDB is listed as a replacement for MySQL |
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| 07:12.38 | patrick-- | Hey all. Say I have a /24 Net of Public IP Adresses. Is it possible to divide this net into several smaller nets? |
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| 07:13.20 | iceroot | patrick--: sure, with more subnets |
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| 07:15.33 | patrick-- | phew :) ill have to dig up some subnetting knowledge :) |
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| 07:57.22 | {g} | Hey Debian! I have a Lenovo x301. A wonderful machine and everything works perfectly with linux. Except the build in speaker. It doesnt make a sound. Via headphones, the sound works perfectly. Any ideas? Maybe its just a setting somewhere?? |
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| 08:02.59 | lindi- | {g}: can I assume you already tried searching google? ;) |
| 08:03.08 | {g} | lindi-: sure |
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| 08:03.44 | lindi- | {g}: http://osdir.com/ml/kernel-team/2009-08/msg00225.html looks promising |
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| 08:05.51 | {g} | lindi-: wow, interesting. i never even noticed there is a mute key. |
| 08:06.11 | {g} | lindi-: thank you!! |
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| 08:06.28 | {g} | got it working by fiddling with that key and the volume up and down keys :) |
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| 08:11.57 | cousin_mario | hello |
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| 08:12.09 | cousin_mario | do you think squeeze will be released this summer? |
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| 08:14.20 | pat5star | how can you display wifi network information that shows what mode you're connected with? I've tried several things and just can't find it. I have a wireless 'n' router, in mixed mode, and I want to know what mode my laptop is in right now |
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| 08:18.19 | lindi- | cousin_mario: it will only if you fix bugs :) |
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| 08:21.03 | cousin_mario | lindi-: I take that as a no:) |
| 08:22.11 | nsadmin | take it how you want. maybe you should participate in the pool |
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| 08:24.28 | cousin_mario | nsadmin: what pool? |
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| 08:24.55 | Arrowmaster | !wwsr |
| 08:24.55 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
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| 08:28.20 | cousin_mario | I see |
| 08:28.37 | cousin_mario | I guess we'll talk about this early next year |
| 08:28.38 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 08:31.55 | jargon- | i've installed testing on my netbook. it's got a broadcom wifi and i installed the drivers according to this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy-squeeze for BCM4312 LP-PHY chipset. i did `modprobe b43` but the wifi isn't working yet. `lshw` shows this: http://dpaste.com/217178/ any ideas? |
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| 08:42.44 | jargon- | i've installed testing on my netbook. it's got a broadcom wifi and i installed the drivers according to this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy-squeeze for BCM4312 LP-PHY chipset. i did `modprobe b43` but the wifi isn't working yet. `lshw` shows this: http://dpaste.com/217178/ any ideas? |
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| 08:47.03 | Andrei_Vereha | anyone using virt-manager in sqeeze? |
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| 08:57.19 | jelly | jargon-: Did anything appear in dmesg output after that modprobe? Did you try "modprobe b43legacy" as well? |
| 08:59.46 | jargon- | jelly: this is my dmesg http://dpaste.com/217189/ |
| 09:00.29 | jargon- | jelly: trying dpkg-reconfigure firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
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| 09:01.50 | Andrei_Vereha | python2.6&debian question: where/who is setting sys.path? I found the sys.path is not the same if you are running a script via #!/usr/bin/pyton2.6 or like this: python2.6 script_name.py |
| 09:02.47 | jelly | jargon-: did that appear after the modprobe? What else did? |
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| 09:04.31 | jargon- | jelly: i rddd\ |
| 09:04.35 | jargon- | sorry |
| 09:04.43 | cthuluh | Andrei_Vereha: you mean that the sys.path is not the same when you launch your program as ./script_name.py and when you launch it as python2.6 /script_name.py? |
| 09:04.51 | jargon- | jelly: i ran the dmesg again. want me to paste it? |
| 09:05.05 | Andrei_Vereha | cthuluh: yes |
| 09:05.21 | cthuluh | Andrei_Vereha: then it's python |
| 09:05.45 | cthuluh | Andrei_Vereha: are you sure you call those two commands in the same shell? |
| 09:06.03 | sosnix | i cannot install package |
| 09:06.05 | sosnix | java |
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| 09:06.40 | cthuluh | aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk |
| 09:06.59 | cthuluh | or openjdk-6-jre, depends on what you need |
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| 09:07.09 | sosnix | for OpenDS |
| 09:07.51 | sosnix | cthuluh thanks this is for OpenDS |
| 09:08.19 | cthuluh | so you think you need the sun jvm instead? |
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| 09:09.30 | jelly | jargon-: paste the difference, and no grepping please |
| 09:10.04 | sosnix | cthluh i think i need java |
| 09:11.56 | themill | Andrei_Vereha: which version of debian and how are you testing this? |
| 09:12.20 | Andrei_Vereha | themill: Codename:squeeze |
| 09:13.04 | jargon- | jelly: it's taking a while to install vim-nox. is there any other way to determine the difference? |
| 09:13.34 | jelly | jargon-: uh... yes, visually, with your eyes. Paste only new lines |
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| 09:15.20 | jelly | jargon-: /var/log/kern.log ought to have a handy timestamped copy. If you're not sure which lines appeared when, you can inspect the loaded modules with lsmod, remove them with "modprobe -r", and modprobe them again |
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| 09:20.47 | jargon- | jelly: ok i did a tail -f on kern.log. first line is before modprobe -r b43. the rest is after modprobe b43 http://dpaste.com/217198/ |
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| 09:21.11 | sosnix | what this mean |
| 09:21.12 | sosnix | Could not retrieve zip file OpenDS-2.3.0-build003.zip. The input stream is null. |
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| 09:23.46 | Alystair | is there a way to do an in-place install of debian over centos? |
| 09:26.09 | jelly | jargon-: this looks fine to me |
| 09:26.24 | jargon- | jelly: hmm. |
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| 09:27.44 | Andrei_Vereha | themill & cthuluh : I found the problem. I had another python.26 in /usr/local/bin. I forgot about it |
| 09:27.47 | Andrei_Vereha | :) |
| 09:28.00 | jargon- | jelly: brb. need to check on someone. |
| 09:28.03 | petemc | Alystair: you can with debootstrap, but its pretty hairy |
| 09:28.05 | themill | Andrei_Vereha: heh.. |
| 09:28.34 | Andrei_Vereha | and it messed with the tools installed in system |
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| 09:29.50 | jelly | jargon-: I don't have any experience with that driver though, and it's possible there should be more output. Also, interrupt being disabled in the end is a bit wierd if the hardware is to be used. |
| 09:30.09 | jelly | jargon-: what's the "lspci -nn" line for that card? |
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| 09:31.56 | mrcarrot | inside of an lts client chroot apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade is breaking the environment |
| 09:32.01 | mrcarrot | it can not mount rofs on nbd0 after that |
| 09:32.09 | mrcarrot | has anyone of you encountered this? |
| 09:32.18 | Alystair | petemc: really hairy? |
| 09:33.02 | jelly | mrcarrot: what's "lts"? |
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| 09:33.22 | mrcarrot | ltsp = linux terminal server project |
| 09:33.28 | petemc | Alystair: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 09:33.36 | mrcarrot | the backports version seem to be broken |
| 09:33.38 | themill | mrcarrot: you generally wouldn't want to upgrade all packages to those from backports in any case. |
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| 09:35.19 | Alystair | :X |
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| 09:35.33 | mrcarrot | maybe not... themill, but if they have undergone any testing at all they should not fail like this. my logic is that some of the backports packages might need other, that is why i try to update everything |
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| 09:36.45 | mrcarrot | in this case ldm is not remembering the language preferences without running the backports version and those higher than me has decided that it should remember |
| 09:36.54 | themill | mrcarrot: no. wrong plan. You upgrade the one or two packages that you actually need and their dependencies make sure that they get whatever else they need from backports.org. And no, the backports are not as well tested as the packages in stable and random combinations of packages from backports.org are not tested with each other at all. /msg dpkg backport caveat |
| 09:37.02 | Alystair | ah actually forget it, just realized the guys didn't mention we had a kvm/ip :| |
| 09:37.14 | Alystair | can just format the thing and do it proper |
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| 09:38.18 | mrcarrot | is wishing debian would keep the libraries stable, but sometimes upgrade leaf packages to newer after some sane testing |
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| 09:38.43 | themill | mrcarrot: that's frequently not possible. And that's what backports.org provides. |
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| 09:39.40 | jargon- | jelly: this is the output for lspci -nn: http://dpaste.com/217202/ |
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| 09:40.01 | mrcarrot | often it is impossible... but sometimes the security is even halting because of this as the debian people will need to backport security patches into stable |
| 09:40.10 | reber | does anyone know here if it's possible to have direct rendering=yes but very poor glxgears rate, and poor bzflag frame rate ? |
| 09:40.21 | mrcarrot | anyway... i am building a new ltsp environment now |
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| 09:41.35 | sosnix | debain have openDS package? |
| 09:42.12 | jelly | sosnix: search tools at http://packages.debian.org/ might be useful |
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| 09:49.59 | ip3t3r | hi.. does anybody know if the wireless adapter (WUSB54GC V3) works on debian? |
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| 09:58.13 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 09:58.48 | AlexC_ | can someone poke me in the right direction to setup a chroot for SSH, guides I've seen seem old and dated |
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| 10:09.09 | babilen | AlexC_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html ? |
| 10:09.42 | babilen | AlexC_: But that is a bit dated as well (references sarge) :-\ |
| 10:10.11 | AlexC_ | hum |
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| 10:10.23 | AlexC_ | I'm quite surprised at the lack of docs for it |
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| 10:11.47 | snitko | hi, init.d weird problem: both "proftpd" and "vsftpd" won't run on "/etc/init.d/[name] start". No error messages. Nothing on "ps aux | grep ftp". Port 21 is not blocked. Ideas? |
| 10:12.09 | AlexC_ | it's speaking out to you 'do not use ftp' |
| 10:12.23 | snitko | yeah, yeah, I wish I could |
| 10:12.34 | AlexC_ | 100% can't use SFTP? |
| 10:13.06 | snitko | Boss says he needs ftp |
| 10:13.23 | babilen | snitko: Add "set -e" at the beginning of the script (after the shebang) if you want to know where it runs into problems ... |
| 10:13.41 | snitko | babilen: thanks, let me see |
| 10:14.02 | babilen | snitko: Well "set -x" might also be a (better) idea ... it will cause the generation of a trace |
| 10:14.28 | AlexC_ | snitko: needs? When does a boss know they really need FTP :P |
| 10:14.39 | AlexC_ | does he/she know about SFTP? |
| 10:14.44 | babilen | snitko: Run it with "-x" first ... But I agree with AlexC_ btw |
| 10:15.44 | snitko | babilen: "set -e" was added to vsftpd script, I added to proftp - still nothing on both. |
| 10:16.04 | babilen | snitko: "set -x" :) |
| 10:16.10 | snitko | damn, right |
| 10:16.16 | babilen | sorry for the cofusion :) |
| 10:18.06 | snitko | well, it says "[OK]\n return 0\n exit 0" |
| 10:18.33 | babilen | that does not sound like a problem ... |
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| 10:18.51 | babilen | but it's lunch time now .. good luck and until later |
| 10:19.24 | snitko | yeah, but "ps aux | grep ftp" shows nothing. It's not started. have a good lunch :) |
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| 10:26.42 | hajoucha | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.02 | hajoucha | but nothing gets out of the printer. If I look at the www frontend, I see this status message for my job> stopped "/usr/lib/cups/filter/texttopdf failed" |
| 10:27.14 | hajoucha | I do not understand, why there is texttopdf for plain text? If anything, than texttops would make sense. |
| 10:27.22 | hajoucha | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.33 | hajoucha | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.12 | hajoucha | does it makes sense to somebody? |
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| 10:29.47 | Peping | hey there... How do I exit X.org in debian completely so I can install my nVidia drivers? |
| 10:30.24 | cthuluh | Peping: /etc/init.d/[gxk] stop |
| 10:30.37 | cthuluh | it depends whether you have xdm, gdm or kdm running |
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| 10:31.16 | Peping | cthuluh: wow, thanks.. I didn't know your evilness could be this helpful.. |
| 10:31.28 | Peping | cthuluh: what you sent me is for gdm, right? |
| 10:31.53 | cthuluh | oh sorry, I meant "/etc/init.d/[gxk]dm stop" |
| 10:32.03 | Peping | oh, right :) |
| 10:32.13 | Peping | I get the point. Thanks |
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| 10:36.02 | cthuluh | seems like Judas has just committed suicide :) |
| 10:36.48 | ip3t3r | hi.. does anybody know if the wireless adapter (WUSB54GC V3) works on debian? |
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| 10:40.18 | moldovean | lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet |
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| 10:43.53 | cthuluh | ip3t3r: you don't provide very much informations. anyway, this chip may require a firmware. |
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| 10:49.25 | moldovean | cthuluh, too hot here , for more info |
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| 10:51.32 | cthuluh | moldovean: qq- ? :) |
| 10:52.11 | moldovean | nvm |
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| 10:54.32 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
| 10:55.21 | cthuluh | moldovean: sorry, I must have taken you someone else :) |
| 10:55.24 | cthuluh | hi mick_laptop |
| 10:55.51 | mick_laptop | how can I see if my ISP is screwing around w/ my internet access? I've seen that there are some sites that I can't access from this connection (not my irc connection, i ssh into another box for that) |
| 10:56.36 | mick_laptop | example: www.skipscreen.com does not load |
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| 10:57.05 | AlexC_ | mick_laptop: does not load through what? HTTP? |
| 10:57.19 | moldovean | cthuluh, no worry |
| 10:57.21 | mick_laptop | the second that i switched /etc/resolv.conf things started to work better |
| 10:57.23 | mick_laptop | AlexC_: yes |
| 10:57.41 | cornair | mick_laptop: what prints traceroute out? |
| 10:57.45 | AlexC_ | mick_laptop: there is no DNS A record ... so it wont load for anyone |
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| 10:57.55 | mick_laptop | hmm ok |
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| 10:58.24 | mick_laptop | AlexC_: skipscreen.com.14400INA173.236.153.228 |
| 10:58.39 | AlexC_ | mick_laptop: right, that's not www.skipscreen.com is it? |
| 10:58.47 | mick_laptop | AlexC_: dig seems to be in disagreement w/ you |
| 10:59.05 | AlexC_ | no, www.skipscreen.com != skipscreen.com |
| 10:59.26 | mick_laptop | ok, let me rephrase that: skipscreen.com doesn't load for me |
| 10:59.50 | cornair | what's the output of traceroute skipscreen.com ?? |
| 11:01.10 | mick_laptop | cornair: i don't think that is reliable considering how many people turn off ICMP (even ISPs) |
| 11:01.42 | mick_laptop | it hits my router then all i get is 1-6 w/ *** |
| 11:02.24 | mick_laptop | cornair: what about you? |
| 11:02.36 | mick_laptop | i'm sure the site isn't down |
| 11:02.37 | cornair | mick_laptop: cr2-cr1.wdc005.internap.net (66.79.146.202) is my last hit here. reached |
| 11:02.43 | mick_laptop | well, pretty sure anyways :) |
| 11:02.51 | LV-426 | mick_laptop, 'tshark host skipscreen.com' while you try to surf there, look for a reset packet coming from your isp |
| 11:03.10 | mick_laptop | ok, i'll use wireshark |
| 11:03.32 | mick_laptop | i seriously think something is being screwed with |
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| 11:05.08 | cornair | mick_laptop: not the last host, sorry, here is my output http://pastebin.org/389955 |
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| 11:12.07 | mick_laptop | LV-426: how can i filter by host w/ gui version of wireshark :) |
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| 11:12.47 | CaBa | hi |
| 11:13.32 | CaBa | i am running a system with an asus board and lm-sensors does not detect any of the sensors. any other things i could try except the lm-sensors detection script |
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| 11:13.36 | CaBa | ? |
| 11:13.52 | webczat | Hey. |
| 11:14.16 | webczat | Does debian installer for squeeze have espeakup and espeak? |
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| 11:15.02 | LV-426 | mick_laptop, think the filter should be 'host foo.bar' or 'ip 10.0.0.1' |
| 11:16.11 | moldovean | webczat, i doubt , but both are in squeeze |
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| 11:16.42 | webczat | moldovean: i know speakup is in lenny. but not sure about espeakup |
| 11:17.00 | moldovean | , versions espeakup |
| 11:17.01 | judd | espeakup -- sid: 1:0.71-1; squeeze: 1:0.71-1 |
| 11:17.12 | mick_laptop | i just tried "dns" as a filter and it seems odd that i see nothing regarding the dns query that should be happening from firefox |
| 11:17.25 | mick_laptop | let me try again |
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| 11:17.35 | webczat | moldovean: i meant while installing |
| 11:17.47 | webczat | installer of lenny has speakup but not sure about espeakup |
| 11:18.03 | webczat | in squeeze |
| 11:18.13 | webczat | i mean i heart it should be there |
| 11:18.31 | moldovean | webczat, installing is not same thing as debian-installer |
| 11:18.42 | webczat | moldovean: i meant debian installer |
| 11:18.59 | moldovean | so no |
| 11:19.07 | webczat | errr |
| 11:19.18 | webczat | it has speakup so someone should add espeak too |
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| 11:20.03 | mick_laptop | odd |
| 11:20.22 | mick_laptop | well i don't see any reset packets |
| 11:20.29 | webczat | so that means i can't install debian without help |
| 11:20.55 | webczat | my laptop does not have any serial port |
| 11:21.08 | webczat | argh |
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| 11:22.43 | lindi- | webczat: you can boot livecd and install from there I think |
| 11:22.57 | lindi- | webczat: have you used debian before? |
| 11:23.35 | webczat | lindi-: yes |
| 11:23.56 | webczat | lindi-: but i want an installer, just because it's easier for me |
| 11:24.23 | webczat | or maybe is there any version with espeakup that is unofficial? |
| 11:25.01 | moldovean | webczat, use lenny installer , and upgrade later |
| 11:25.06 | mick_laptop | LV-426: a reset packet would be obvious right? after doing: ip.addr == 173.236.153.228 as a filter |
| 11:25.32 | webczat | moldovean: how can i use lenny installer hawing no espeakup? |
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| 11:26.25 | babilen | webczat: I am not aware of one, but you could "debootstrap" Debian from a Live CD or a working installation. I assume that you need speech synthesis during the installation because you are blind .. I stumbled over a distribution tailored towards the needs of the visually impaired, but the name escapes me right now. I can google if you are interested |
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| 11:27.03 | LV-426 | mick_laptop, yes. miss resolving your dns query another option - but why do you suspect your isp ? |
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| 11:28.00 | webczat | babilen: i'd like to first be sure there is no espeakup in debian installer and there's no modified version |
| 11:28.03 | lindi- | babilen: webczat: at http://live-helper.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-helper you can generate your own debian livecd with the packages you want |
| 11:28.22 | lindi- | babilen: webczat: just add espeakup there and test if it works. you should then be able to launch the installer from this livecd |
| 11:28.47 | webczat | does livecd have the installer? |
| 11:28.52 | lindi- | webczat: yes |
| 11:29.00 | lindi- | webczat: it's a work in progress but yes it does |
| 11:29.14 | webczat | but, will adding espeakup really help if it won't start on boot? |
| 11:29.19 | babilen | webczat: hang on |
| 11:29.21 | mick_laptop | LV-426: well the DNS servers that my ISP gave me only made some websites work. Changing them to 4.2.2.2 made more websites work |
| 11:29.25 | lindi- | webczat: we can configure it to start on boot :) |
| 11:29.54 | mick_laptop | LV-426: what is your hunch as to why this could be? |
| 11:30.02 | lindi- | webczat: a speech enabled livecd will make your life much easier in the future too |
| 11:30.02 | webczat | lindi-: usb pendrive required, i forgot. the laptop doesn't have cdrom |
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| 11:30.10 | lindi- | webczat: it generates usb images too |
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| 11:30.44 | webczat | lindi-: okay. i'll try it if i won't find any modified installer |
| 11:30.59 | webczat | can livecd/liveusb start in text mode? |
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| 11:31.53 | LV-426 | mick_laptop, work by layers - dns first - run 'host foo dns-server' a couple of times to assert you resolve the name ok, then wget the site ... |
| 11:31.59 | lindi- | webczat: yes |
| 11:33.05 | webczat | lindi-: okay. can i add anything required on boot? |
| 11:34.10 | mick_laptop | LV-426: i thought that i had already gone through those steps |
| 11:34.37 | mick_laptop | the name resolves |
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| 11:34.59 | mick_laptop | and wget doesn't return anything |
| 11:35.00 | webczat | hmm i probably can't |
| 11:35.01 | LV-426 | single site issue ? |
| 11:35.05 | mick_laptop | nope |
| 11:35.14 | mick_laptop | a few |
| 11:35.18 | mick_laptop | but not all |
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| 11:35.32 | babilen | webczat: You need espeak and brltty does not work for you, correct? |
| 11:35.58 | lindi- | webczat: not sure what you need. I have only used emascpeak myself |
| 11:36.17 | lindi- | webczat: I can provide you a livecd that boots in to text mode and lets you run "emacspeak" :) |
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| 11:36.38 | webczat | babilen: incorrect, i don't have brltty, but yes, i need espeak, espeakup and speakup. speakup must load and espeakup must start and switch languages |
| 11:37.36 | webczat | and it's better for me to have the real installer that is modified |
| 11:37.37 | LV-426 | mick_laptop, any upstream proxies ? can you pastebin wget's output ? |
| 11:38.40 | webczat | i think there are some |
| 11:38.49 | webczat | i sent a question on speakup mailing list |
| 11:38.57 | babilen | webczat: Ok, i'll try to get in contact with somebody from the debian-accessibility team. You might also want to consider contacting their mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ .. |
| 11:39.33 | mick_laptop | LV-426: easy |
| 11:39.35 | mick_laptop | curl -L skipscreen.com |
| 11:39.35 | mick_laptop | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
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| 11:40.21 | mick_laptop | as far as proxies, i'm not using any and i have no idea about that site |
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| 11:42.34 | babilen | webczat: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.html.en#id3109472 -- do you have a "hardware speech synthesis device" ? |
| 11:42.53 | LV-426 | looks like the site is down. |
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| 11:45.27 | dapeamel | hey guys can someone help me out. I cant launch exaile from menu but just when Im in terminal and writing sudo exaile please help me out I tried chmod +x /usr/bin/exaile |
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| 11:46.35 | babilen | webczat: debian-installer does not seem to support software synthesizers yet (http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2010/05/msg00013.html) |
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| 11:47.57 | babilen | webczat: I have not yet figured out if the daily-build of the debian-installer supports software synthesizers like espeak ... |
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| 11:49.27 | richard11 | can i send here? |
| 11:49.42 | babilen | webczat: Another option would be to use the wonderful text based live cd GRML to "debootstrap" Debian. Information on GRML and espeak can be found here: http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=accessibility and the debootstrap procedure is outlined here: http://grml.org/grml-debootstrap/ |
| 11:49.49 | webczat | babilen: i have softsynth and i386 |
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| 11:50.14 | webczat | babilen: and i sait that i want an installer for easier start |
| 11:50.44 | babilen | webczat: OK - I haven't been able to find somebody from the accessibility team yet and am just exploring alternatives |
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| 11:51.14 | webczat | babilen: i am waiting for my digest from speakup mailing list, someone may know something about it |
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| 11:56.19 | oreo | Hey everyone, I have great news! ZFS is available on linux. The port is developped at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy. http://github.com/behlendorf/zfs |
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| 11:58.16 | richard11 | the link of zfs does not say what could be zfs |
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| 11:59.29 | richard11 | i found what is zfs sorry |
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| 12:02.23 | babilen | webczat: Ok, I just talked to the developer working on debian-installer's accessibility (and d-i in general) ... Software synthesizers are *not* supported yet. Sorry for the disappointing news .. |
| 12:03.13 | webczat | babilen: that doesn't mean someone didn't make unofficial modifications |
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| 12:03.23 | webczat | fires a fireball at accessibility developers |
| 12:04.10 | babilen | webczat: Sure, but I wanted to confirm that debian-installer does not support software synthesizers first before trying to figure out alternatives |
| 12:06.07 | babilen | webczat: I know about vinux (it's Ubuntu based) ... but that might not be what you want. I would say that debootstrapping from GRML loks like the best option right now :-\ |
| 12:06.14 | webczat | babilen: modified debian installer is still a debian installer. :P |
| 12:06.38 | babilen | webczat: sure - but the developer i talked to was not aware of any fork .... |
| 12:07.09 | webczat | babilen: debootstrapping from grml has disadvantages. |
| 12:07.30 | webczat | if the response in speakup mailing list will be negative, i'll try to look it up |
| 12:08.55 | babilen | webczat: no reply yet to your post :( |
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| 12:10.45 | webczat | babilen: maybe there was but i have mailman set to the digest mode |
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| 12:11.12 | webczat | so i get mail once a day and i'm sure i didn't get digest this day |
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| 12:11.54 | babilen | webczat: There is no reply in the archives yet ... |
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| 12:12.45 | babilen | webczat: I've just checked for it, because you said that you receive the digest. I guess that debootstrapping is the best way to deal with this short of asking someone for help. |
| 12:13.19 | babilen | webczat: What is the problem with that? GRML is a excellent live cd and it seems to have decent software synthesizer support ... |
| 12:14.19 | webczat | babilen: it's the best unless someone in mailing list knows something about a modified installer for debian |
| 12:14.29 | webczat | babilen: and i prefer installer |
| 12:14.34 | webczat | easier to use/etc |
| 12:14.57 | babilen | webczat: sure - just trying to help :) |
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| 12:17.27 | webczat | babilen: and i'll use this method if i won't find an installer |
| 12:17.57 | webczat | just like i'm not sure about things like "will debootstrap install the kernel and grub"? and steps to install this thingie |
| 12:18.12 | babilen | webczat: it will |
| 12:18.13 | webczat | it just makes me think installer is easier for someone who likes simplicity |
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| 12:18.46 | webczat | and the fact that i installed gentoo on my desktop doesn't mean i don't like simplicity :) |
| 12:18.53 | babilen | hehe |
| 12:19.05 | petemc | webczat: the installer manual covers debootstrap and should answer most of your questions |
| 12:19.15 | webczat | hmm, i mean gentoo is not too difficult except kernel compilation |
| 12:19.21 | babilen | webczat: But seriously: A debootstrap installation is pretty straightforward and GRML comes with a nice wrapper ... |
| 12:19.37 | webczat | what grml really is? |
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| 12:21.14 | babilen | what? |
| 12:22.49 | webczat | babilen: but must i manually partition and mount file systems before debootstrap? |
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| 12:23.05 | babilen | GRML â http://grml.org ; GRML accessibility â http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=accessibility (essentially: boot with "swspeak") ; GRML + debootsrap â http://grml.org/grml-debootstrap/ ; Debootstrap â http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en#id3124490 |
| 12:23.09 | babilen | webczat: yes |
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| 12:32.44 | jelly | babilen: there's nothing straightforward with manual boot loader and filesystem setup! |
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| 12:36.23 | babilen | jelly: AFAICT the only hard thing to do with grml-debootstrap is the manual partitioning/filesystem creation. But I agree that this is not an ideal situation for new users. (Hi jelly btw!) |
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| 12:43.16 | jelly | grml wrappers are nice, when they work |
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| 12:46.12 | aguitel | could run MacOs in virtualbox-ose ? |
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| 12:55.34 | babilen | aguitel: Why don't you ask #vbox ? |
| 12:56.13 | babilen | aguitel: But I think that MacOS might only be supported on powerpc based apple hardware |
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| 12:57.53 | olorin_ | babilen: The other way around. |
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| 12:58.34 | doubletwist | Anyone have any luck getting grub2 to boot a software mirror? I've tried fresh installs of squeeze and ubuntu 10.04 with no joy. I can install lenny [grub1] but as soon as I try to upgrade to squeeze and grub2, total failure ensues :) |
| 12:58.56 | aguitel | babilen, http://www.muylinux.com/2010/05/19/virtualbox-3-2-0-%C2%BFmaquinas-virtuales-mac-os-x-si-o-no |
| 12:59.26 | bzed | doubletwist: you might want to try grub2 from unstable |
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| 13:01.11 | wrksx | hi. is it possible to use * in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 13:01.37 | lxsameer | is there any program for configuring apache for debian for the first time ? ( i have to replace some variables in apache config each time i install that using apt in a debian box) |
| 13:01.37 | crono- | wrksx: i really doubt that, but you could try <: |
| 13:01.46 | babilen | olorin_: I doubt that MacOS runs on intel hardware. MacOS X was the first that introduced support for non powerpc hardware |
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| 13:03.06 | wrksx | crono-, k, and do you know any other way to proceed in order to route *.domain.local to a particular ip ?? |
| 13:03.12 | olorin_ | babilen: Impossible to say when babilen is silent about it. |
| 13:03.32 | babilen | olorin_: what? I am not silent :) |
| 13:03.50 | olorin_ | babilen: I meant aquitel... :-p |
| 13:03.52 | babilen | hehe |
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| 13:04.51 | crono- | wrksx: bind9... or possibly a script that generates the neccessary lines for /etc/hosts |
| 13:05.14 | wrksx | crono-, ok thx |
| 13:07.05 | wrksx | would it be a nice feature to allow wildcards in /etc/hosts ? What goes against this ? |
| 13:07.36 | OpenTokix | wrksx: If you need that, use dns. Would make hosts-file overly complicated. |
| 13:07.54 | OpenTokix | wrksx: Nothing prevents you from putting up a local dns-zone |
| 13:09.12 | wrksx | OpenTokix, I know, but I'm no dns expert, and I doen't have a good memory of DNS config. |
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| 13:09.30 | wrksx | OpenTokix, I'll proceed anotherway, thx for your answer |
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| 13:09.47 | OpenTokix | wrksx: well, not that complicated =) |
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| 13:32.03 | wrksx | Is there a way to install php > 5.3 with aptitude ? the only package I see is called php5 and is php5.2... |
| 13:32.27 | rvsjoen | ,versions php5 |
| 13:32.29 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1 |
| 13:32.38 | wrksx | aaaaa |
| 13:33.32 | wrksx | so I need to add a squeeze source in my sources.list ? is it safe to do so ? what about compatibility ? |
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| 13:33.47 | jordanm | its safe to do if you wish to upgrade to testing |
| 13:33.57 | jordanm | which in itself, may not be safe |
| 13:34.09 | wrksx | o no I wish only to upgrade php5 |
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| 13:34.24 | rvsjoen | check backports perhaps |
| 13:34.30 | rvsjoen | dpkg: backports |
| 13:34.30 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:34.38 | jordanm | rvsjoen: backports would have been listed by judd |
| 13:34.41 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 13:35.47 | jordanm | I believe there are more than the normal set of problems when backporting php. I believe 5.3 broke most the applications packaged for lenny |
| 13:35.48 | jelly | wrksx: you can't get php 5.3 from Debian. |
| 13:35.48 | jordanm | remembers the chaos when 5.3 first hit testing |
| 13:35.48 | jelly | (for Debian 5.0 that is) |
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| 13:37.00 | wrksx | if php 5.3 become stable, will it be available for lenny ? |
| 13:37.02 | jelly | wrksx: there are third party repositories like dotdeb packaging PHP in different ways, but Debian can't vouch for the usability of those |
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| 13:37.06 | D-Boy | ,versions debiangis |
| 13:37.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'debiangis' was found. |
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| 13:38.37 | jordanm | wrksx: 5.3 will never be available for stable |
| 13:38.44 | jordanm | stable doesn't change in that way |
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| 13:38.53 | jordanm | !tell wrksx about stable |
| 13:38.54 | jelly | wrksx: it won't. In a Debian release, software versions are kept as-is for the duration of that release |
| 13:39.31 | jordanm | err perhaps I should have said "lenny" |
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| 13:39.37 | wrksx | jelly, ok, and one day sid will become stable or not ? |
| 13:39.44 | jelly | (there are very few exceptions to that rule for software that would otherwise become completely unusable, /msg dpkg volatile) |
| 13:39.46 | wrksx | jordanm, ok I got ot |
| 13:39.48 | jordanm | wrksx: sid will _never_ be stable |
| 13:39.48 | wrksx | it |
| 13:39.54 | wrksx | a |
| 13:39.55 | jelly | wrksx: one day, "squeeze" will become stable. |
| 13:39.56 | wrksx | ... |
| 13:39.58 | St0n3-C0l | Well, my browser Iceweasel is taking time..like 6-7 seconds to lookup everytime a new domain. |
| 13:40.17 | St0n3-C0l | I am on PPPoE and using pppoeconf, don't have networkmanager. |
| 13:40.31 | jelly | St0n3-C0l: does "getent hosts google.com" also take a lot of time? |
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| 13:40.53 | St0n3-C0l | Nope.. |
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| 13:41.05 | St0n3-C0l | It's quick |
| 13:41.08 | wrksx | jelly, can you give me an order of idea ? like 1 year, 2 years ? more ? |
| 13:41.47 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 13:41.47 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 13:41.48 | jelly | wrksx: /msg dpkg release history, /msg dpkg wwsr |
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| 13:42.24 | jordanm | I expect squeeze to come before rhel6 |
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| 13:42.46 | jelly | rhel6 is supposedly slated for end of this year |
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| 13:42.58 | wrksx | thank you |
| 13:43.04 | jordanm | !squeeze bet 1 |
| 13:43.10 | jordanm | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 13:43.10 | dpkg | ! aguitel=2010-07-11 old=2010-09-21 BonZo=2010-10-15 <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
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| 13:43.21 | jordanm | jelly: which is about my squeeze guess |
| 13:43.37 | jelly | jordanm: did you... change your bet?!? |
| 13:44.00 | jordanm | jelly: nope, only the name when I switched nicks |
| 13:44.06 | jelly | so you did! |
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| 13:44.13 | jelly | knew it |
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| 13:52.34 | doubletwist | well crap. Now even lenny won't install properly. Argh! |
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| 13:53.53 | stealthii | ok guys, I've a problem, the /etc/apache2/sites-available/ default and 000-default files were accidentally deleted before, I replaced them with ones I found online, which aren't the same, and causes warnings when starting apache |
| 13:54.02 | stealthii | what package provides these files, and |
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| 13:54.21 | stealthii | how can I force it to purge, and reinstall without affecting other packages? |
| 13:54.34 | stealthii | I'm running lenny. |
| 13:56.03 | doubletwist | I've wasted 3 days trying to get a simple install onto a raid1 mirror. Should have taken me an hour or two. :( |
| 13:56.09 | jordanm | !tell stealthii about apt-file |
| 13:56.14 | jordanm | !tell stealthii about confmiss |
| 13:56.40 | stealthii | thanks jordanm, reading |
| 13:56.54 | doubletwist | I'm learning to loath grub2 so badly that I'm actually pining for the days of lilo. :) |
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| 13:57.28 | macrobat | grub2, boots both lvm and ext4 :) |
| 13:57.47 | doubletwist | macrobat: can't handle software raid apparently though. At least not on this system. |
| 13:57.47 | jordanm | doubletwist: lilo's future is currently up for dabate by debian-ctte |
| 13:58.05 | jordanm | doubletwist: its possible that lilo will soon be dropped from debian |
| 13:58.34 | jelly | lilo must die |
| 13:58.50 | jordanm | jelly: thats what the current maintainer thinks... |
| 13:58.59 | jelly | also: grub2 must be made less buggy |
| 13:59.14 | doubletwist | I think they tried to make grub2 do too much. |
| 13:59.30 | jelly | doubletwist: second system effect |
| 14:00.06 | jelly | http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?SecondSystemEffect |
| 14:00.10 | doubletwist | yeah |
| 14:01.06 | jelly | so do we wait for grub 3 right away :-) |
| 14:01.19 | doubletwist | unfortunately, the 'effect' is going to be that I have to either give up on using debian/ubuntu, or decide to not use a mirror on my system disk |
| 14:01.30 | doubletwist | I go spend a bunch of $$$ on a HW raid card :( |
| 14:01.38 | doubletwist | I=Or |
| 14:01.43 | jelly | doubletwist: it can be made to work |
| 14:01.56 | doubletwist | I've been trying for 3 days with no luck |
| 14:02.03 | jelly | has a weird md0 raid1 over two whole disks with grub2 |
| 14:02.05 | doubletwist | It's really starting to piss me off :) |
| 14:02.50 | jelly | I had to *shudder* read the source for all the scripts :-) |
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| 14:03.02 | jelly | added this to /etc/default/grub: GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES=raid |
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| 14:03.26 | jelly | (not documented in any way) |
| 14:03.34 | doubletwist | I'll look into that |
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| 14:08.49 | LV-426 | doubletwist, having gone through a similar experience - consider if you really need a HW backed grub2 raid setup. giving up on any of the previous (for a simple installer grub-legacy SW raid ) might save you a great deal of time. |
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| 14:12.17 | doubletwist | LV-426: I really don't need HW raid. THis is a small personal server which will host my low-volume email and web server. |
| 14:12.56 | doubletwist | I've never had a problem with the SW raid like this until grub2 came along |
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| 14:13.53 | doubletwist | and even then, the only problem is with the system partition[s] using it. So I might just give up on the raid for / and have the rest of the system mirrored. Not that critical if I lose my personal email for a day or two if a drive fails. |
| 14:13.58 | doubletwist | as long as the data itself is safe. |
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| 14:18.31 | LV-426 | doubletwist, I don't think you have to give up on raid for / as long as you have use a ext2 boot partition. just consider that a fresh installer session can get you up and running in ~2h. |
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| 14:20.10 | lamah | hi all |
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| 14:23.19 | tbsaunde | lamah: hi |
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| 14:25.57 | lamah | tbsaunde: how are u |
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| 14:26.58 | asdf123 | hello all! My server is sendding spam from only 1 user account. And I don't know how stop this 2 things happens: 1) A lot of spam of the server is sendded 2) The user account exceds quota because returning mail I have no experience with exim, somebody could help me? |
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| 14:27.37 | Bushmills | asdf123: users who send spam -> kick |
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| 14:27.52 | lamah | Bushmills: Jack Daniels |
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| 14:28.47 | asdf123 | Bushmills: I can't, it's a sold domain. I can change user passwords (already done), but do not stopped the problem |
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| 14:30.29 | jelly | asdf123: lock their web site. |
| 14:30.51 | jelly | asdf123: after confirming with access logs that's the entry point for mail spam |
| 14:31.33 | cthuluh | asdf123: take a look at their crontab too |
| 14:31.41 | asdf123 | jelly: It's exactily what I need let working xD The users who use this website only knows use his mail accounts, and very bad, and need his website working |
| 14:31.44 | Bushmills | wonders why somebody with no experience with exim / mail servers gives mail services to customers |
| 14:31.58 | asdf123 | cthuuh: crontab is empty, already checked :( |
| 14:32.20 | cthuluh | use more TAB completion |
| 14:32.24 | Bushmills | purging exim should solve the problem |
| 14:32.30 | cthuluh | hehe |
| 14:32.33 | asdf123 | lol |
| 14:32.51 | jelly | asdf123: we lock out our customers after they're confirmed to have vulnerable web apps, and don't unlock them until they fix the issue |
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| 14:36.19 | asdf123 | jelly: checked all web apps (only a wordpress blog). Messages are not comming from it |
| 14:36.54 | jelly | asdf123: but exim's mainlog confirms messages are coming from that user? |
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| 14:38.23 | jelly | asdf123: it could be the spam run had ended some time before, and all you have now is leftover mail queue; inspect access.log more in the past. Also your MTA will tell you when a message had been queued up |
| 14:38.58 | jelly | can't say anything more specific for exim, I only do postfix. And qmail. And sendmail a long time ago |
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| 14:42.01 | Chris___ | I'm trying to run an nvidia driver .run file, but it's telling me I need to specify what version of GCC to use. How do I set this variable when executing a command line script? |
| 14:42.52 | PinkFreud | variable=value sh ./file.run |
| 14:43.14 | Chris___ | 'GCC=4.3 ./file.run' <--? Just to confirm |
| 14:43.37 | PinkFreud | if it's looking for $GCC, yes |
| 14:44.32 | themill | !nvidia compiler fix |
| 14:44.32 | dpkg | To solve <nvidia-installer> complaining about the gcc version not matching the kernel gcc version, in an ugly but effective way: aptitude install gcc-4.1; mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; sh ./nvidia-installer.run; rm ~/bin/gcc But use the Debian packages instead, see <why nvidia installer sucks>, or try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 and use your regular compiler (that might work...) |
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| 14:59.33 | JKL | hi, can i make a script that switches to user based on given parameter and then runs rest of commands as a switched user? |
| 15:00.12 | JKL | something like sudo su -l $1; touch $HOME/myfile; |
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| 15:03.34 | jelly | JKL: sure you can. |
| 15:04.42 | jelly | JKL: su command has a -c (--command) option, man su |
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| 15:05.56 | jelly | JKL: you'll want to enclose the command, parameter for su -c, in quotes, either 'single' or "double" depending on what you want to do |
| 15:06.26 | thrashold | What's the easiest way to find what was chnaged in a bugfix if it is not yet available for my platform? (bug 588658) |
| 15:06.39 | jordanm | thrashold: the changelog? |
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| 15:06.49 | thrashold | Where can I find the changelog? |
| 15:07.11 | jordanm | thrashold: on it's page on packages.debian.org. changelog link is on the right |
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| 15:07.48 | thrashold | The fixed version is not yet available on packages.debian.org |
| 15:08.06 | jeward | My system was interrupted and now won't finish cleanly, can someone help me clear it up? |
| 15:08.14 | jeward | Won't finish aptitude upgrade |
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| 15:08.22 | jelly | thrashold: well, wait until it appears in unstable |
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| 15:08.39 | jordanm | thrashold: or grab it from the team's VCS (if exists) |
| 15:08.45 | thrashold | Well, I want to fix it in 5 minutes so I have X working on my phone when I go out :) |
| 15:08.48 | Pingfloyd | jeward: did you try running aptitude upgrade again? |
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| 15:08.55 | thrashold | So I was wondering what's the change |
| 15:09.01 | jeward | http://pastebin.org/390157 |
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| 15:09.09 | jeward | Pingfloyd: Yes. |
| 15:09.18 | jelly | thrashold: dude, if you're putting X and Debian on your phone, you have too much time <g> |
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| 15:09.35 | thrashold | Apparently :P |
| 15:09.39 | Pingfloyd | jeward: see if the process is still running |
| 15:09.53 | jordanm | jeward: were upgrading from lenny->testing? |
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| 15:10.06 | jeward | No, just a normal upgrade. |
| 15:10.25 | jeward | But my ssh session got interrupted. |
| 15:10.32 | jelly | thrashold: also, the changelog entry is listed at the end of that bug report; that text is _exactly_ what will appear in the changelog |
| 15:10.42 | jeward | thinks he fixed it. |
| 15:10.58 | peterrooney | jeward: looks like your old aptitude is still running. |
| 15:10.59 | jelly | thrashold: the "Changes:" bit |
| 15:11.18 | Pingfloyd | that's what I was thinking too |
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| 15:11.32 | jordanm | !tell jeward about screen |
| 15:11.34 | thrashold | Oh. I see it. I'm blind, apparently. Unfortunately, it requires recompliation, so it will have to waait :) |
| 15:11.47 | thrashold | Thanks :) |
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| 15:12.03 | Pingfloyd | yeah, screen would've been a little nicer to the system |
| 15:12.15 | Pingfloyd | instead of having to turn around and kill aptitude |
| 15:12.28 | jelly | thrashold: you can rebuild it yourself in a qemu-system-armel... DO EEET |
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| 15:12.47 | jeward | I had to remove several lock files |
| 15:12.53 | jelly | thrashold: you know you want to |
| 15:12.59 | jeward | But it looks like it will finish now. |
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| 15:13.53 | Neozonz | I'm having problems with cron not running properly... if I run /etc/cron.daily/calamris manually it runs fine |
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| 15:14.23 | Neozonz | and if I look at the logs, it looks like the cronjob ran, but it doesnt look like it did in actuallity.. |
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| 15:15.29 | JKL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:16.31 | jelly | JKL: you want to execute the very same script? |
| 15:16.43 | JKL | rest of it |
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| 15:17.12 | JKL | i have too much variables initialized at the moment |
| 15:17.43 | JKL | when i would like to execute commands with different user |
| 15:17.44 | izua | hey, is there a way to make a bootable, installable debian image on a stick, from another system, which is not debian-based? all i see on the wiki and google relies on debian tools |
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| 15:17.55 | izua | like if i dd the whole iso |
| 15:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | Neozonz: Are you running the cronjob as root? |
| 15:18.14 | jelly | JKL: you can't do exactly that, but there are workarounds. |
| 15:18.26 | Neozonz | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 15:18.45 | Neozonz | jhutchins_lt: it says root (CMD) in log so I persume so |
| 15:18.48 | jhutchins_lt | Neozonz: Expand it a bit with some logger statements to see what's happening. |
| 15:18.51 | jelly | JKL: #bash is probably a better place to discuss this |
| 15:18.54 | jhutchins_lt | Neozonz: Or generate an email as it runs. |
| 15:19.04 | JKL | k, |
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| 15:19.13 | JKL | i go to bash :) |
| 15:19.18 | JKL | thx |
| 15:19.28 | Neozonz | jhutchins_lt: it is suppose to send emails as well, but I have no idea how to set it up... |
| 15:19.48 | Neozonz | jhutchins_lt: the script that i'm having problems with is calamaris |
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| 15:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | Neozonz: They may be able to help you better with it. |
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| 15:21.13 | jhutchins_lt | Neozonz: See the docs for what it requires to send mail to a user. |
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| 15:26.14 | siprbaum | Where could I find a document (policy or any other offical doc) how to classify a bug (e.g. if it is serious, grave, or any lesser) |
| 15:26.37 | lamah | who use EPIC? |
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| 15:27.25 | siprbaum | I've filed a bug where a package FTBFS under a specific configuration, but the bug was downgraded to "important" |
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| 15:28.15 | siprbaum | my understanding was that is is a release critical bug. but i want to double check with an official document |
| 15:28.42 | jordanm | siprbaum: its really hit and miss... its ultimatly up to the maintainer to descide the severity of the bug, but he can be overruled by the tech comitee, release team, etc |
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| 15:29.04 | jordanm | siprbaum: the "reportbug" tool gives a short description of each |
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| 15:29.09 | siprbaum | jordanm: but a FTBFS? |
| 15:29.43 | jelly | siprbaum: if it builds for Debian, arguably it's not RC |
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| 15:30.09 | jordanm | siprbaum: they are not always RC... if you feel the maintainer is wrong, start a discussion on -devel, but warning, could result in flame war |
| 15:30.17 | siprbaum | it is a kernel module distributed by debian as source only and should be build via module-assistant |
| 15:30.44 | jelly | siprbaum: also, maintainers vary in their response time, response sanity and response adequacy |
| 15:30.45 | jordanm | siprbaum: and what is the special configuration in which it fails to build? |
| 15:30.50 | jelly | "custom kernel" |
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| 15:31.08 | siprbaum | jordanm: thats what I want avoid, therefore looking for a document where this is documented before making a "stink" |
| 15:31.27 | siprbaum | its bug #588027 |
| 15:31.31 | jordanm | siprbaum: you won't find one, unless it is a direct policy violation |
| 15:31.37 | jordanm | !tell siprbaum about debian policy |
| 15:31.38 | siprbaum | and no, its not a custom kernel |
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| 15:32.33 | siprbaum | jordanm: i already glanced over it, but didn't find any definition of the bug classification |
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| 15:36.02 | jordanm | siprbaum: well, it sounds like the maintainer would be accepting of patches |
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| 15:37.59 | Neozonz | jhutchins_lt: I didn't have anacron installed -_- |
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| 15:40.17 | siprbaum | jordanm: if I know how to fix it I would have done it and send the patches. but unlucky me I dont |
| 15:41.11 | siprbaum | jordanm: but thx for your help and pointing out that its in the maintainers right to decide the severity. |
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| 15:41.38 | magesing | Hi everyone, I did an aptitude safe-upagrade on Friday, and it broke CUPS a la bug #588643 (Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd/usr/sbin/cupsd: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/cupsd: undefined symbol: _httpReadGNUTLS) How can I fix my cups installation and get printing again? Thanks? |
| 15:41.51 | magesing | Thanks wasen't meant to be a question :) |
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| 15:42.08 | jordanm | siprbaum: the current DPL refers to it as a "do-ocracy". the one who does the work, makes the descisions |
| 15:42.11 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 15:43.27 | siprbaum | hehe. thats fine with me :-) |
| 15:44.05 | magesing | Also, I have my /boot/ partition at (hd0,6) and my root partition at /dev/sda3... however, whenever I update my kernel it puts (hd0,0) and /dev/sda1 in /boot/grub/menu.lst (fixable but very annoying as if I don't catch it I have to go find my boot cd the next time I restart) |
| 15:44.09 | siprbaum | snooping around http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-lirc/lirc/trunk suggests that this is alreayd fixed in the trunk. |
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| 15:45.55 | karlpinc | magesing: Grub 1 or grub 2? Grub 1 has instructions in the menu.lst file, IIRc. |
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| 15:46.32 | pat5star | what command can I use to display the mode I'm connected to my wireless router in? I've tried iwconfig but it doesn't show. My router is mixed mode, G & N...I want to ensure I'm connected in N mode |
| 15:46.48 | magesing | karlpinc: lol I don't even know, checking, |
| 15:47.24 | magesing | karlpinc: grub version 0.97-47lenny2 |
| 15:47.37 | petemc | pat5star: tried ethtool ? |
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| 15:48.20 | pat5star | petemc: no, I'll look into that, thanks :) |
| 15:48.33 | petemc | pat5star: i dont know if it works |
| 15:48.43 | petemc | not having tried it myself |
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| 15:50.16 | pat5star | petemc: installing it now (wasn't on my system) and I'll know shortly. I'll let you know in a couple minutes. I appreciate the suggestion regardless...I've tried so many other things and googled the hell out of this to no avail. I can't believe I'm the only one who wants to 'see' what mode I'm connected in, lol! |
| 15:50.35 | petemc | id have thought iwconfig would say |
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| 15:51.28 | xyan | iwconfig shows the mode ;) second line of the output |
| 15:52.20 | cahoot | iwlist wlan0 rate? |
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| 15:56.01 | s0enke | hi. |
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| 15:57.11 | s0enke | (lenny) i'm discovering mysql socket problems if there is a load peek - error message from client lib is: "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket" (only in peek situations). any idea how to fix / debug? |
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| 15:57.48 | jordanm | s0enke: I would try #mysql |
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| 15:58.35 | s0enke | Jordanw: i bet they say "upgrade mysql - debian s*cks" xD but I'll try ;-) |
| 15:58.51 | s0enke | oops |
| 15:58.55 | s0enke | jordanm |
| 15:59.03 | s0enke | damn autocomplete |
| 15:59.58 | jordanm | s0enke: ask them how often your production env should migrate to a new version.... |
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| 16:00.48 | s0enke | Jordanm: yeah it seems the whole world uses bleeding edge version except us :-/ |
| 16:00.49 | jordanm | there are some upstreams that try pretend distros do not exist |
| 16:00.56 | magesing | I have been doing more reading on symbol lookup errors. . . According to my research my problem is caused by not having the proper version of the library which contains _httpReadGNUTLS installed. How can I figure out which library this is? |
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| 16:01.20 | jordanm | s0enke: I would say much the opposite. the devs are are the minority |
| 16:01.53 | s0enke | jordanm: well ok the hype web20 world ;) |
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| 16:02.47 | jordanm | magesing: my guess would be... gnutls |
| 16:02.49 | danielsh | quick question, if I want to have a 'stable' system with selected packages from testing/unstable, is it correct that the things I should be looking into are APT::Default-Release and apt_preferences()? |
| 16:03.09 | danielsh | RTFM'd ages ago, not sure if the conclusions are still correct now... |
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| 16:03.20 | jordanm | !pinning |
| 16:03.21 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 16:03.35 | themill | danielsh: "don't do that" is the best answer. |
| 16:03.36 | jordanm | !tell danielsh about ssb |
| 16:04.17 | danielsh | themill: why? say, if I want a newer vim without having the whole desktop from 'testing... |
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| 16:04.54 | magesing | jordanm: aptitude search gnutls shows me a bunch of packages with gnutls in the name... how do I know what to install, why isn't it a dependancy for cups already? |
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| 16:05.48 | honschu | when I do wpa_supplicant I get "CTRL_IFACE -eth1 - wait for monitor to attach". Did I missed something? ctrl_interface 'N/A' is also in the debug-log. It's a ipw2100 wlan-device. It's a vanilla kernel I build. |
| 16:05.56 | jordanm | magesing: libgnutls26 is a depends in your bug report |
| 16:05.58 | magesing | Is there a command I can give to aptitude (or apt) to have it re-install cups as well as all of cups' dependancies? |
| 16:06.11 | jacekowski | yep |
| 16:06.12 | jacekowski | reinstall |
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| 16:06.18 | jordanm | ,versions libgnutls26 |
| 16:06.21 | judd | libgnutls26 -- lenny: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; sid: 2.8.6-1; squeeze: 2.8.6-1; experimental: 2.10.0-2 |
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| 16:06.45 | jordanm | magesing: your gnutls is from testing/unstable, likely the cause of your issue |
| 16:06.54 | danielsh | (ok, so dpkg tells me I should be installing from source if I want 'testing' packages on my system) |
| 16:06.57 | SURFkees | I have a debconf question in my postinst that gets skipped while it shouldn't be skipped. How can I influence which questions are skipped and which aren't? |
| 16:07.02 | jordanm | magesing: install the proper version and downgrade/close your bug |
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| 16:07.30 | magesing | jordanm: the bug report is not my bug report |
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| 16:08.05 | magesing | jordanm: I am at 2.8.6-1 |
| 16:08.19 | jordanm | magesing: which is the testing/unstable version |
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| 16:08.41 | magesing | jordanm: aaah ok, so I must be having some sort of package pinning problems |
| 16:09.21 | jordanm | magesing: "If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. |
| 16:09.44 | simonrvn | " |
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| 16:10.00 | moldovean | what's cyzie's "Max SendQ exceeded " means ? |
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| 16:10.16 | magesing | jordanm: How do I go about installing the correct version of libgnutls26? |
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| 16:10.28 | simonrvn | network error. a queue is too full to handle it. |
| 16:10.37 | jordanm | magesing: aptitude -t lenny install libgnutls26 |
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| 16:10.45 | simonrvn | so it cuts the connection |
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| 16:11.23 | simonrvn | usually upping the max sendq helps, though you usually don't have to do anything to it. |
| 16:12.14 | datacrusher | i wanna install chrome browser here on my debian lenny 64. Should i install chromium instead? whats the catch? |
| 16:12.42 | moldovean | simonrvn, so not a spam , as i though , to bad for me |
| 16:12.44 | magesing | jordanm: aparantly my system thinks that I do have the lenny version installed... aptitude -t lenny install libgnutls26 gave me: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded |
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| 16:13.08 | jordanm | datacrusher: I recommend proprietary chrome from google. chromium will be available in the next release |
| 16:13.45 | datacrusher | oh, ok jordanm thanks! |
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| 16:13.59 | jordanm | ,versions libgnutls26 |
| 16:14.01 | judd | libgnutls26 -- lenny: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.2-6+lenny2; sid: 2.8.6-1; squeeze: 2.8.6-1; experimental: 2.10.0-2 |
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| 16:14.44 | jordanm | magesing: aptitude install libgnutls26=2.4.2-6+lenny2 |
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| 16:16.20 | magesing | jordanm: hmm now we're getting somewhere... the version of gimp and libwebkit I have installed don't like that downgrade |
| 16:16.26 | moldovean | cyzie, again and again .. |
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| 16:17.36 | magesing | jordanm: in fact it wants me to take gimp all the way back to version 2.4 ... I use gimp 2.6 features unfortunately |
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| 16:18.36 | magesing | jordanm: before I did my aptitude safe-upgrade (naming is a bit ironic at the moment) I did have gimp-2.6 and cups working and playing well together... Is there a way I can fix cups without breaking gimp? |
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| 16:20.12 | jordanm | magesing: couldn't say, but can you please test if that is the proper solution for cups so I can comment on that bug report |
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| 16:20.29 | jordanm | magesing: you can roll back your updates, ala /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 16:20.36 | moldovean | killing him (cyzie), will stop agony |
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| 16:23.45 | magesing | jordanm: ok, so in /var/cache/apt/archives I see a bunch of .deb packages incuding a version of cups... what do I do to roll-back the update? |
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| 16:24.52 | jordanm | magesing: dpkg -i <old version> |
| 16:25.07 | jordanm | magesing: I guess that means you will not test the bug? |
| 16:25.21 | magesing | jordanm: I'm tyring |
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| 16:25.36 | magesing | jordanm: erm... ok, you'll have to work me through the bug test |
| 16:25.49 | magesing | jordanm: I thought the roll back was what you wanted me to do to test the bug |
| 16:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | There doesn't seem to have been much activity on Lenny sincd 5.0.5 came out. |
| 16:27.00 | magesing | jordanm: aaah ok so you want me to downgrade gimp |
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| 16:27.11 | magesing | jordanm: I understand now, I'll go ahead and test it |
| 16:27.28 | jordanm | magesing: yes, you can upgrade it again after if needed |
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| 16:32.27 | keith4 | when I plug a camera in, the "camera import" dialog box pops up asking if I want to import photos. The "always perform this action" checkbox doesn't seem to work, though. Am I missing something? |
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| 16:34.28 | magesing | jordanm: ok, unfortunately http://pastebin.com/fsmL5VHJ |
| 16:34.36 | magesing | jordanm: it didn't help |
| 16:35.41 | foetus | is it possible to synchronize a tar.gz-archive with an existing directory? |
| 16:36.13 | sthon | extract it some place else and use rsync? |
| 16:36.23 | jordanm | magesing: I am suprised you were working at all with gtk from testing/unstable |
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| 16:37.53 | jordanm | magesing: really thought that would be it. your choice on whether or not you would like to comment on the bug report with waht was tried |
| 16:38.34 | magesing | jordanm: actually, downgrading gtk broke a bunch of things for me, working on getting my gimp back now |
| 16:38.39 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: I don't think you can do it without unzipping it. |
| 16:38.58 | foetus | sthon: i have written a bashscript (near 1000 lines), to do a synchronize back, but i don't wonna overwrite my entire backup everytime, i like to update my tar inside the gz |
| 16:38.59 | jordanm | magesing: it almost sounds like you are running more testing than stable |
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| 16:40.00 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: not unpacking is the problem, synchronizing |
| 16:40.22 | jordanm | foetus: tar --incremental? |
| 16:40.45 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Tar files can be updated, files appended or deleted, so there is a way. |
| 16:41.29 | jordanm | tar support incremental backup, like described, but I don't know why anyone would want to use it when there is rsync and hard-links\ |
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| 16:44.29 | foetus | jordanm, jhutchins_lt: you're right,yes. its a bit tricky. rsync is the thing at the moment, and tar.gz for backups. |
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| 16:44.53 | jordanm | foetus: what is the "the thing", and why isn't "the thing" backups? |
| 16:45.32 | magesing | jordanm: This is how things usually go for me with debian: 1) install shiny new debian system, 2) work with said system, but end up needing features in certain software packages which are not yet in stable (gimp 2.6, stable version of OpenDx has bugs etc..) 3) Try and use backports/pinning to install unstable versions of only the software I need, usually works, 4) run an aptitude upgrade of some sort and seriously !@#$ up my system because ov |
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| 16:48.49 | rioting_pacifist | How do i change the exim4 config I've run update-exim4.conf but the changes arn't showing up |
| 16:48.52 | foetus | jordanm: i mean an option like "-FS (FILESYNC)", like zip 3.0 -- i know well, that tar doesn't have such a feature, but, maybe, there is a way to work near this.. |
| 16:49.20 | jordanm | magesing: packages can be backported manually, and local compiles and installations can, for the most part, safely be installed to /usr/local (./configure --prefix=/usr/local) |
| 16:49.59 | jordanm | foetus: --incremental, but I am not sure it supports something like rsync's --delete |
| 16:50.31 | jordanm | foetus: but you never answered my question. why are you making backuips with tar in the first place? depending on the media, you could really be killing your disk space |
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| 16:50.46 | magesing | jordanm: yes, but manually building software like that, I would need to track down and manually build all the required dependancies in the proper versions as well and at that point it makes sense to install gentoo instead and build the whole system |
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| 16:51.46 | jordanm | magesing: I disagree. weekly gentoo updates can take hours. compiling your own software to /usr/local may also take hours, depending on the software, but atleast you don't need to do it weekly |
| 16:51.53 | jordanm | and see the good ole EBUILD FAILED |
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| 16:52.00 | jordanm | !gentoosmite magesing |
| 16:52.00 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling magesing, and when it's all done, magesing runs 0.2% faster than previously |
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| 16:52.55 | jelly-home | magesing: stable + pinning = bad |
| 16:53.03 | jelly-home | !bobbitt |
| 16:53.04 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 16:53.07 | jordanm | magesing: a bleeding-edge OS could be more suitable for your situation though. many debian users who desire that run testing, but I typically don't recommend it |
| 16:54.06 | magesing | jordanm: lol, I would probably get into many fewer problems if I updated weekly, what usually happens to me is I install my system, and then install whatever packages I happen to need as time goes by. Eventually I have a hard time installing packages because my system is too out-of-date, so I do a system-wide upgrade (several months have gone by at this point) Now I usually break something |
| 16:54.23 | foetus | jordanm: No. At the moment, i just overwrite it, tar.gz files would be overwritten permanently - only static backups. |
| 16:54.30 | jelly-home | magesing: using stable and a selected number of backports, be they local or backports.org, can be done with enough experience |
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| 16:55.07 | magesing | jelly-home: yup... I bet it can, I have proved to myself that I don't have enough experience.... yet... |
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| 16:55.27 | jelly-home | magesing: now, if you're using something like testing or unstable, you have to expect some breakage at upgrades and save time for that |
| 16:55.31 | maligor | testing shouldn't really cause that many issues, quite rare that it breaks that bad |
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| 16:56.00 | banditman | is testing now using synaptics with enabled tap? |
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| 16:56.39 | jelly-home | maligor: IME little things break all the time, but one can usually ignore them |
| 16:56.54 | jelly-home | maligor: eg. I've been living with broken apt-listchanges for months ;-) |
| 16:57.10 | jordanm | maligor: yes, transition to a new default python, new default php5, etc in testing was very smooth... little breakage /endsacasm |
| 16:57.14 | maligor | yeah, but mostly it's just unstable that you have to know how to recover your system from a real meltdown |
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| 16:57.30 | maligor | which has happend a few times |
| 16:57.32 | jordanm | disagrees |
| 16:57.43 | jelly-home | maligor: that's the extreme |
| 16:58.09 | maligor | jordanm, your system bootscripts don't depend on php5 |
| 16:58.16 | foetus | i see, there is no solution, so i must find one. thanks anyway. |
| 16:58.17 | jelly-home | and it happens regularly at least once in six months |
| 16:58.31 | magesing | Anyhow, before I did my safe-upgrade I had working gimp2.6, working cups, and a slight problem where I couldn't have imagemagick and imagemagick-doc installed at the same time... Now I have gimp 2.4, cups that won't start with no easy fix... one might say I'm not the best debian sysadmin ever |
| 16:58.53 | maligor | jelly-home, yeah, it makes live exciting |
| 16:58.56 | maligor | err.. life |
| 16:59.07 | jordanm | maligor: but my applictions might. it boots != stable |
| 16:59.30 | maligor | jordanm, why would anyone use testing or unstable as a production system? |
| 16:59.47 | jelly-home | maligor: if you call spending time fixing tools "exciting" instead of using those tools producitvely, yes |
| 16:59.55 | jordanm | maligor: I never would. or even my own workstation |
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| 17:00.34 | jordanm | isn't even brave enough to install xfce 4.6 from backports |
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| 17:00.40 | maligor | getting a bit OT from debian now, I'll just stop :P |
| 17:00.40 | jelly-home | maligor: a coworker here used lenny for a few years without many issues; then upgraded to windows 7 ;-)\ |
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| 17:01.09 | theplic | hello fello debianellos |
| 17:01.12 | theplic | xD |
| 17:01.17 | jordanm | thats an upgrade? |
| 17:01.21 | maligor | jelly-home, fixing issues is a learning experience |
| 17:02.10 | jhutchins_lt | magesing: So what are you on now, lenny? |
| 17:02.16 | theplic | ok so i have a netinst cd. how do i get wifi working on my lappy with a atheros card |
| 17:02.30 | foetus | maligor: thats true :) |
| 17:02.52 | jordanm | theplic: should jusyt work, if it does not, you likely need the kmuto installer |
| 17:02.57 | jordanm | !tell theplic about kmuto |
| 17:03.16 | jordanm | especially if it needs ath9k |
| 17:03.24 | theplic | im not sure |
| 17:03.27 | jelly-home | maligor: that excuse can be used for just about any unpleasant human experience |
| 17:04.01 | jordanm | theplic: well, if it doesn't detect it, just try kmuto |
| 17:04.05 | jhutchins_lt | Builds character! |
| 17:04.07 | jelly-home | maligor: house ruined in hurricane? incurable disease? learning experience |
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| 17:04.13 | jelly-home | right |
| 17:04.26 | maligor | jelly-home, those two aren't learning experiences |
| 17:04.37 | jelly-home | maligor: sure they are, you learn to deal with them |
| 17:04.46 | jordanm | well, you would learn to have flood insurance... |
| 17:05.00 | jelly-home | an Operating System like Debian, however, should Operate |
| 17:05.23 | simonrvn | Operate Computers |
| 17:05.36 | simonrvn | "scalpel" |
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| 17:06.04 | jordanm | reminds me of http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml |
| 17:06.14 | foetus | jelly-home: every system should do this :) |
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| 17:06.54 | theplic | is there a tutorial where i can learn how to get a system in working condition from a netinst cd? |
| 17:07.06 | jordanm | !ig |
| 17:07.06 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.5) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 17:08.20 | fxiny | badgers are not that fat |
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| 17:08.37 | theplic | thank you jordanm |
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| 17:14.16 | discordianfish | hi |
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| 17:17.19 | jair | guys a silly question, I still have a couple of servers running etch, and when I try to run apt-get update I get a couple of 404 not found errors. Did the etch distribution ended the support already? |
| 17:18.02 | jair | I will probably have to plan to upgrade or clean install and just transfer the configuration files of my dhcp server and ntp and dns servers |
| 17:18.40 | rvsjoen | !etch |
| 17:18.40 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 17:19.12 | themill | jair: /topic |
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| 17:19.58 | sett | anyone know how to make ipw2100 wireless work on debian? can't find any good guide |
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| 17:21.10 | jordanm | !ipw2100 |
| 17:21.10 | dpkg | ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.14. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:22.04 | jelly-home | themill, jair: "the contents of etch->lenny factoids may have changed since you last read it, so please check it again for updated info about etch and repositories" |
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| 17:24.37 | jair | themill: thank you |
| 17:24.50 | jair | jelly-home: thank you as well =) |
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| 17:28.09 | Krakish | Hello anyone can answer me 1 question about grub ? |
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| 17:28.37 | discordianfish | i'v upgraded to unstable a few days ago and now my xfs seems to be corrupted. its a dm-crypt cryptofs (plain, no luks). it opens sucessfully, i can verify it by seeing filenames/contents when reading the device file, but the superblock is missing. even the first bytes (should state 'XFSB') are garbage |
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| 17:30.03 | discordianfish | maybe the first block is somehow missing? maybe related to the cryptofs? i'v played around with the offset parameter which seems like it could led to such issue. maybe cryptsetup thinks the wrong block is the first one so the acctual first block is missing? but i'm just guessing.. |
| 17:30.31 | jordanm | maybe you will spend way more time messing with it than restoring a backup.... |
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| 17:31.29 | sett | jordanm thx for help on ipw2100 |
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| 17:31.34 | badcloud | what's the command to view packages needed to be updated in apt-get? |
| 17:31.51 | badcloud | or rather, which are available to upgrade |
| 17:31.53 | jordanm | badcloud: aptitude -s upgrade |
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| 17:34.24 | jordanm | sett: anytime |
| 17:36.35 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.16 | jordanm | tharkun: if it is missing a depends, aptitude will display it as broken |
| 17:37.38 | discordianfish | jordanm: oh, thats the debian approach to the problem 'a upgrade fucked up my system'. nicee. i'll remember that for futher use. might be handy sometime |
| 17:37.59 | tharkun | aptitude complained a lot when trying to upgrade then it solved it. At least that is what it said :-) |
| 17:37.59 | jordanm | tharkun: aptitude search ~b; to find all broken |
| 17:38.32 | jordanm | tharkun: the complaints were likely because it needed to upgrade packages you didn't specifically tell it to upgrade |
| 17:38.34 | tbsaunde | 1 |
| 17:38.38 | badcloud | thanks, jordanm |
| 17:38.51 | jordanm | aptitude was smart enough to figure it out, likely a situation where apt-get would fail |
| 17:39.05 | fxiny | discordianfish: what ? i'm using LUKS since etch , i upgraded etch-LUKS to lenny ,. i installed a 2.6.32 bpo kernel in it . never had problems |
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| 17:39.18 | tharkun | jordanm: thx it began to download, lets hope it worked correctly :-) |
| 17:39.44 | jordanm | !tell discordianfish about unstable |
| 17:40.01 | discordianfish | fxiny: i doubt this is a common issue. i only know: i upgraded, reboot cleanly and than that |
| 17:40.06 | jordanm | discordianfish: on unstable machines, which I would considre a "toy", or perhaps a dev machine, yes |
| 17:40.18 | discordianfish | jordanm: i know that its not reliable. but i thought you still might be interested in such an issue |
| 17:40.40 | discordianfish | jordanm: i thought thats the point of a unstable branch |
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| 17:41.00 | jordanm | discordianfish: not me personally, and many of the people here do not support unstable. I would suggest the debian-user mailing list |
| 17:41.12 | discordianfish | let people use it and see what happens. see: it broke ;) |
| 17:41.19 | discordianfish | jordanm: okay |
| 17:41.54 | Kyle__ | I'm having problems with apt-cacher-ng: at first it works well, then after a few hours, it gobbles up all ram and swap, and won't give it back without killing it. |
| 17:41.58 | jordanm | discordianfish: which leaves it up to you to file the RC and block it from testing :). (if it looks like breakage for everyone) |
| 17:42.07 | fxiny | discordianfish: encrypted systems can be a headeache . i keep always two backups to revert quickly : dd and dump |
| 17:42.43 | fxiny | but i am a stable user . sid + encryption adds to the game |
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| 17:43.41 | fxiny | discordianfish: the issue is interesting , yes |
| 17:44.07 | jelly-home | discordianfish: oh, if you want to report an issue, you might want to do that in Debian's bug-report system rather than here |
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| 17:44.50 | discordianfish | jelly-home: first i want to understand that issue |
| 17:44.59 | jelly-home | *nod* |
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| 17:45.33 | discordianfish | jelly-home: and hoped for help here. but if this is the wrong place, i'm sorry and i'll try elsewhere |
| 17:45.33 | mirak | hi |
| 17:45.35 | simonrvn | you must not only understand, but grok, grasshopper. |
| 17:45.49 | jordanm | sometimes you just need to feed the maitainer enough info so that he understands... then you look at his patch and you understand |
| 17:46.05 | jelly-home | discordianfish: not wrong, but the channel is more like NO WARRANTY |
| 17:46.08 | fxiny | grasshoppers ? tasty with vinegar |
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| 17:47.13 | discordianfish | jelly-home: i never said it has warranty ;) |
| 17:47.27 | fxiny | LUKS rulez |
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| 17:47.42 | jelly-home | jordanm: hell, feeding the maintainer pizza might work as well |
| 17:47.48 | mirak | I created an init script for a daemon that is not supposed to run as root. this dameon creates a pidfile in /var/run/foo.pid . Since /var/run should be only writtable by root, can I touch the file and chown it in the init script before start ? |
| 17:47.55 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:47.58 | Kyle__ | Hum. From a complete and utter lack of responses, I'm wondering, is apt-cacher-ng actually used by many debian folks? Or is it shunned in favor of something else? |
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| 17:49.18 | jhutchins_lt | Kyle__: What release are you running it on? |
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| 17:49.55 | jordanm | jelly-home: does he need beer too? |
| 17:50.06 | Kyle__ | jhutchins_lt: Lemmie check. |
| 17:50.07 | simonrvn | cold pizza and warm beer ;p |
| 17:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Monday morning breakfast! |
| 17:50.35 | jelly-home | jordanm: well what goes with pizza... you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out |
| 17:50.58 | simonrvn | you don't? oh yeh... |
| 17:51.09 | Kyle__ | jhutchins_lt: Awe hell. I selected the wrong template on my VM server, it's an ubuntu box. Grabbing a debian-6 template now. |
| 17:51.28 | jordanm | Kyle__: debian 6 has not been released yet |
| 17:51.36 | jordanm | or even frozen |
| 17:51.46 | simonrvn | releases jordanm as debian 6 |
| 17:52.11 | simonrvn | along with the zombie badgers |
| 17:52.12 | Kyle__ | jordanm: Really? That's weird.... proxmox has a vm-tempate for debian-6.0... 5 considered stable then? |
| 17:52.22 | jelly-home | now with Artificial Intelligence. Batteries not included. |
| 17:52.25 | simonrvn | yes... for a while now. |
| 17:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | Kyle__: Yes, 5.0.5 |
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| 17:52.42 | Kyle__ | I wonder why they'd do that. |
| 17:52.49 | jelly-home | Kyle__: squeeze is going to be 6.0 |
| 17:53.01 | simonrvn | because they can't tell their elbow from their nose? |
| 17:53.01 | jelly-home | one fine day |
| 17:53.03 | jordanm | some people may want testing... not sure why but w/e |
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| 17:53.16 | Kyle__ | jelly-home: Squeeze? I don't recall any toy-story character named "squeeze" |
| 17:53.20 | jordanm | my hosting provider will even allow unstable w/ custom uploaded kernel.... |
| 17:53.27 | jordanm | !squeeze |
| 17:53.27 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 17:53.35 | Kyle__ | Ahhh! Thanks. |
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| 17:54.37 | Kyle__ | All the same, while I"m waiting for my image to finish.... |
| 17:54.51 | Kyle__ | Is apt-cacher-ng commonly used for deb, or kindof ignored? |
| 17:55.17 | fxiny | whats' after squeeze ? i vote for scud |
| 17:55.43 | Kyle__ | fxiny: Mrs Nezmith. |
| 17:56.05 | jelly-home | vote Nezmith in 2012 |
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| 17:56.27 | simonrvn | i already cast my vote :P. |
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| 17:57.14 | jelly-home | mirak: /var/run is writable by anyone like /tmp, no problem with pid files being owned by nonroot |
| 17:57.15 | fxiny | i doubt it : no birds in toy story |
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| 17:57.43 | jelly-home | mirak: nowait |
| 17:58.27 | jelly-home | mirak: I lied! A simpler thing to do could be mkdir and chown /var/run/foo if it doesn't exist |
| 17:58.59 | jelly-home | mirak: that way you don't have a window where there's an empty/invalid pid file |
| 17:59.43 | jelly-home | mirak: and make the service use /var/run/foo/foo.pid for pid file |
| 17:59.48 | simonrvn | that's what most non-root thingies do. |
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| 18:02.14 | fxiny | oh f* nice , checkinstall works fine . made a good test deb for rtorrent +libs , with color pacthes and dht paraphernalia in lenny |
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| 18:02.18 | jelly-home | I could swear /var/run was 1777 once upon the time, but apparently isn't even in woody |
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| 18:02.46 | jelly-home | fxiny: huh, rtorrent and libtorrent are easily backported |
| 18:03.19 | Optic | is there a good way to put this: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q2.html on debian lenny? |
| 18:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, a VM is a good place to run testing, easy to snapshot and restore when it breaks, easy to toggle back and forth between images to see what really causes the bugs. |
| 18:03.29 | Optic | without making a huge mess of the system? |
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| 18:04.22 | jordanm | Optic: looks like xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:04.27 | jelly-home | Optic: you could ask in #debian-x on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net), but I'm afraid the answer will be negative |
| 18:04.58 | jordanm | jelly-home: is that actually different from the standard driver? |
| 18:05.01 | Optic | hmm |
| 18:05.15 | fxiny | jelly-home: yes ? had hard time to match which f* patche in this subversion trunk . i am a ./configure install man . never used that thingy |
| 18:05.25 | fxiny | patch* |
| 18:05.28 | jelly-home | jordanm: no idea (seems not to be), but it's too new for xorg in lenny |
| 18:05.32 | Optic | apparently according to the nice people in #intel-gfx the standard driver is so ancient they are surprised it works at all :) |
| 18:05.43 | jordanm | fxiny: you probably want ./conigure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 18:05.59 | jelly-home | Optic: 2008 old? nowai! :-D |
| 18:06.14 | fxiny | jordanm: always in /usr/local . i still have lame there |
| 18:06.21 | jordanm | Optic: typically an upgrade of the driver also requires a xorg upgrade, which is where the mess starts |
| 18:06.39 | Optic | hmmm |
| 18:06.42 | pobega | How do I manually set an alternative? I have a script in /usr/local/bin that I'd like to use for x-www-browser, but update-alternatives --set won't let me |
| 18:07.10 | jordanm | pobega: you have to install an alternative before you can set it |
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| 18:07.32 | pobega | jordanm: Oh, wow, thanks. |
| 18:07.35 | jordanm | pobega: see --install |
| 18:07.46 | pobega | jordanm: I was already there :P thanks though! |
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| 18:09.00 | mirak | jelly-home, I have just seen it in a package, thanks to confirm |
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| 18:15.24 | theplic | hi guys. i just installed from a debian cd and installed grub2 on the partition in installed debian on. but sadly when i rebooted it turned on windows. the mbr wasnt changed!! how do i make it point to grub? |
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| 18:17.41 | louitzi | theplic: is your problem related with the order your bios chooses the harddisks to boot? |
| 18:18.03 | theplic | louitzi, the partitions are on the same hard disk |
| 18:18.29 | fxiny | jelly-home: i remember now . first time i used squeeze rtorrent in lenny and it worked just fine |
| 18:18.35 | quiritius | hi! how can i set APM_level to 254 for to survive suspend/resume? i installed laptop-mode but something keeps setting APM to 128 after resume. |
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| 18:18.53 | jelly-home | fxiny: but no colors there ;-) |
| 18:19.03 | fxiny | jelly-home: exactly |
| 18:19.18 | Optic | maybe I should switch to debian unstable :) |
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| 18:19.23 | jelly-home | quiritius: custom script for resume to set it again, I'm afraid |
| 18:19.52 | jelly-home | quiritius: I have something like "sudo s2ram; sleep 5; sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda" in my shell history :-| |
| 18:20.09 | tuvwx | how do i find out what processes are preventing an ssh session from terminating? the terminal shows 'logout' but there is no prompt yet |
| 18:20.30 | fxiny | jelly-home: i'm checking shorewall Connexer (people.connexer.com) to keep udp track quiet (notrack) |
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| 18:20.49 | jelly-home | tuvwx: you can kill it with Enter ~ . sequence |
| 18:21.08 | fxiny | i have few excuses left for not moving to squeeze ... |
| 18:21.10 | quiritius | jelly-home: i put something like this into rc.local but it no use. |
| 18:21.21 | jelly-home | quiritius: rc.local isn't run at resume time. |
| 18:21.37 | tuvwx | jelly-home: i did: <ENTER>~. <-- nothing happens |
| 18:21.44 | jelly-home | quiritius: no I can't tell you what _does_ get run off the top of my head :-( |
| 18:21.49 | themill | tuvwx: actually, at that state, it's probably ^C to kill it not Enter ~ . as jelly said. That's normally due to a tunnel still running. |
| 18:22.03 | cahoot | quiritius: I'd take a look at /etc/pm/sleep.d/00Disk |
| 18:22.05 | jelly-home | tuvwx: that should work with an OpenSSH client |
| 18:22.11 | tuvwx | themill: isn't there a way to tell which process is responsible for that tunnel? |
| 18:22.33 | tuvwx | i have a few -L port forwards that are probably responsible, but i'm not sure which |
| 18:22.36 | themill | tuvwx: netstat will tell you who is still using the tunnel, you need to know what ports you're listening on, however |
| 18:22.43 | quiritius | jelly-home: /etc/pm/sleep.d/ is empty here |
| 18:22.49 | tuvwx | jelly-home: debian openssh client and server |
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| 18:23.21 | themill | tuvwx: ^C if you just want to break the connection |
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| 18:24.57 | fxiny | tuvwx: ssh ? had some porbs last week : what's the load average ? |
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| 18:26.17 | jelly-home | quiritius: like I said, I have no idea how that works. I'd start by reading the documentation for the package that brings that directory, so... /usr/share/doc/pm-utils/README |
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| 18:27.12 | Nwallins | has anything superseded apt-spy these days, for choosing a fast mirror? |
| 18:27.30 | quiritius | jelly-home: thanks! will be reading it now. |
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| 18:28.11 | cahoot | quiritius: create one like: http://paste.debian.net/80301/ |
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| 18:30.37 | Zapadlo | identify Wsadwsad1 |
| 18:30.42 | Zapadlo | identify qwe |
| 18:30.56 | Zapadlo | sighs, sorry wrong channel |
| 18:31.02 | cahoot | how did you know my pw? |
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| 18:31.12 | jelly-home | cahoot: hunter2? |
| 18:31.43 | PinkFreud | snerks in jelly-home's general direction |
| 18:34.19 | quiritius | cahoot: thanks! ) another one. do i really need laptop-mode then? my disk is SATA and seems not to spin down anyway so the only use for it is hdparm control. |
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| 18:37.26 | moldovean | sdparm |
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| 18:39.56 | Parabola | hey guys, anyone here good with expect? i'm working on a script and am not thinking i'm doing it right |
| 18:41.29 | tuvwx | Parabola: hint: expect is tcl |
| 18:41.40 | fxiny | uses expect only to check gmail |
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| 18:42.37 | Parabola | i dont care if its klingon |
| 18:42.43 | Parabola | it doesnt negate the fact that my script doesnt work |
| 18:42.51 | Parabola | unless you're telling me to join another channel |
| 18:42.56 | fxiny | what about mycogenian ? |
| 18:43.11 | Parabola | i dont know what that is |
| 18:43.22 | Parabola | and have a feeling you're being a cock, so i'm not going to google it |
| 18:43.47 | PinkFreud | Parabola: #tcl might be a bit more appropriate than #debian |
| 18:43.54 | Parabola | very well :) thanks! |
| 18:43.55 | fxiny | you must be a tribesman with full cephalic hair then :=) |
| 18:44.14 | corpcomp | I am getting a BADSIG error with a new Lenny install. Have tried to update the SIG but get "?: subkeys.pgp.net: Connection refused". This is for the security repository. Any thoughts? |
| 18:44.15 | Parabola | fxiny: keep up the good work, the anti-social nerd attitude is really going to help people feel welcome here |
| 18:44.22 | Parabola | i'm sure thats going to increase the userbase. |
| 18:44.49 | fxiny | Parabola: is asimov |
| 18:45.16 | fxiny | and i think is funny |
| 18:45.22 | jelly-home | Parabola: noone's trying to increase the userbase. TCL is a programming language upon which the expect tool is built |
| 18:45.30 | Parabola | jelly-home: i'm in tcl now |
| 18:45.44 | Parabola | and jelly, thats rather stupid to not be nice to users who ask geniune questions |
| 18:45.51 | Parabola | i didnt come in here being a dick, or demanding anything |
| 18:46.11 | Parabola | i asked nicely, and was greeted by retarded responses |
| 18:46.15 | jelly-home | Parabola: you misread the extension of your klingon comment as dickery |
| 18:46.22 | Parabola | that maybe |
| 18:46.27 | fxiny | Parabola: try autoexpect |
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| 18:46.35 | Parabola | fxiny: i did :) |
| 18:46.45 | Parabola | it generated a script, however it doesnt seem to excute properly |
| 18:46.46 | jelly-home | so if you assume dickery, you'll read that into everything even when it's not meant to be |
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| 18:46.54 | fxiny | Parabola: you are lazy like me ;) |
| 18:47.12 | Parabola | i think the language barrier had somthing to do with it too jelly |
| 18:47.15 | Parabola | i'm discovering this now... |
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| 18:47.18 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:47.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:47.20 | Parabola | fxiny: yeah i'm trying to be |
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| 18:47.22 | jelly-home | !doesn't work |
| 18:47.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:47.22 | LV-426 | Parabola, heard about pexpect ( python ) ? |
| 18:47.25 | fxiny | Parabola: check the shebang |
| 18:47.42 | fxiny | some damned /usr/bin ? |
| 18:47.49 | fxiny | or local |
| 18:48.04 | Parabola | sorry fxiny one min mate |
| 18:48.08 | Parabola | i'm in 3 convos at once :) |
| 18:48.22 | jelly-home | Parabola: also, fxiny assumes reading Asimov's Foundation series, esp. _Forward the Foundation_, is common knowledge |
| 18:48.29 | jelly-home | thinks it should be |
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| 18:49.12 | jelly-home | or was that Prelude to Foundation. |
| 18:49.35 | Parabola | who cares |
| 18:49.45 | Parabola | the good news is when i get this working |
| 18:49.52 | Parabola | my Zenoss install will have some remediation |
| 18:49.52 | fxiny | jelly-home: prelude , of course it should be common knowledge : fbreader works very well and xmms2 can load the audibook ;) |
| 18:50.22 | jelly-home | fxiny: no monies for extra digital versions! |
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| 18:52.11 | fxiny | jelly-home: i am a millionnaire in the udp currency ;) |
| 18:52.22 | jelly-home | fxiny: I _won't_ pirate Asimov |
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| 18:54.03 | jelly-home | !zenoss |
| 18:54.03 | dpkg | Zenoss is an open source application/server/network management system based on <zope>. Zenoss Core is not in Debian, see bug #361253 for the <ITP>. The packages from zenoss.com are not supported in #debian. FAQ: http://community.zenoss.org/docs/DOC-2446 . http://www.zenoss.org/ #zenoss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:55.36 | fxiny | jelly-home: mee too : i follow the nano banana emperor commands |
| 18:56.10 | jelly-home | finds a horrible joe/expect script dated 1999 in his home |
| 18:56.24 | Parabola | yeah zenoss is pretty neat |
| 18:56.43 | fxiny | joe the editor ? |
| 18:57.11 | jelly-home | yes |
| 18:57.38 | jelly-home | it opens the editor, does some search/replace and other stuff using expect |
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| 18:58.23 | jelly-home | ah. "This Expect script was generated by autoexpect" |
| 18:58.30 | fxiny | heheh |
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| 18:59.15 | bzrk | jelly-home: is there any other way? ^^ |
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| 19:00.04 | dkr | it should have used a gui editor and a macro the mouse movements |
| 19:00.11 | fxiny | jelly-home: and the date |
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| 19:00.52 | jelly-home | and all it does is seemingly s/\n/\r\n/g |
| 19:01.07 | jelly-home | (in other words, unix2dos) |
| 19:01.22 | fxiny | i prefere flip |
| 19:01.30 | gps23 | one of my init script is giving error in red color at startup but it scrolls too fast that i am unable to read it. how can i see it after logging in? |
| 19:01.56 | jelly-home | gps23: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:02.04 | gps23 | its squeeze |
| 19:02.15 | jelly-home | !tell gps23 about bootlog |
| 19:02.43 | gps23 | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 19:03.15 | jelly-home | gps23: also, Pause and/or Control-ScrollLock and Shift-PageUp work in console |
| 19:03.31 | jelly-home | except when they don't, or the stuff has scrolled away out of the buffer |
| 19:03.53 | gps23 | jelly-home: at boot time or should it work post boot too? |
| 19:04.11 | martianixor | hi, Is it possible to get two answers from "apt-cache package_name show" with two different hashes? and what're the situation when such situation occurs? |
| 19:04.29 | jelly-home | gps23: the scroll buffer is cleared if you switch virtual consoles |
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| 19:05.03 | gps23 | jelly-home: oh, when i do Ctrl-ScrollLock now my tty1 goes crazy |
| 19:05.05 | martianixor | err |
| 19:05.06 | martianixor | sorry |
| 19:05.37 | martianixor | I meant what're the situations when such event would occur? |
| 19:05.40 | jelly-home | gps23: eg. if you have a login manager like gdm, it's lost because starting X switches to a different vc |
| 19:06.18 | jelly-home | gps23: if there's nothing writing on the console, just use shift-pgup / pgdown |
| 19:06.34 | gps23 | jelly-home: on doing Ctrl-Scllock now, it shows some program's trace |
| 19:07.27 | gps23 | jelly-home: can u try that, may be you will know what happening |
| 19:07.38 | jelly-home | gps23: sorry, that's not it |
| 19:07.59 | gps23 | jelly-home: what does it show that time? |
| 19:08.06 | jelly-home | gps23: also, that ruined the scrollback buffer if it weren't lost already |
| 19:08.38 | jelly-home | gps23: but you can use Shift+PageUp now to try and scroll back a bit |
| 19:08.53 | gps23 | jelly-home: its ok, i will check the bootlog when i will reboot, but just wanted to know what is shown on tty1 when we do Ctrl-Scrllock |
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| 19:09.47 | HSM | # Appears as TIKI |
| 19:09.53 | HSM | (#G010E210M1) is there a comic chat for debian os? |
| 19:10.13 | simonrvn | go away |
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| 19:10.20 | HSM | (#G210E910M1) :[ what? |
| 19:10.53 | HSM | (#G710E;10M1) !ops | simonrvn being rude |
| 19:10.55 | gps23 | jelly-home: may be something to do with magic sysrq |
| 19:10.56 | jelly-home | !ops HSM trolling |
| 19:10.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: HSM trolling |
| 19:11.03 | HSM | (#G010E@10M1) im not trolling |
| 19:11.05 | HSM | (#G210EC10M1) stop being mean |
| 19:11.15 | HSM | (#G3<:E210M1) i wondering if there is comic chat for debian os |
| 19:11.22 | jelly-home | gps23: it's similar. LEt me google that for you... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2770 |
| 19:11.25 | simonrvn | no. go away. |
| 19:11.28 | jelly-home | HSM: stop lying |
| 19:11.29 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@184.104.43.81] by ChanServ |
| 19:11.34 | syslq | He's not trolling |
| 19:11.39 | syslq | Do ctcp on him :) |
| 19:11.41 | jelly-home | syslq: he is. |
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| 19:11.53 | LoRez | use of comic chat in general is deprecated. |
| 19:11.55 | jelly-home | syslq: note the usage of !ops. |
| 19:12.08 | syslq | HSM: (notice) Received CTCP 'VERSION Microsoft Chat 2.5 (4.71.2302) (comics mode)' (to syslq) from HSM <-- :) |
| 19:12.14 | jelly-home | stops with meta, now. |
| 19:12.25 | syslq | I guess he's asking about comics mode |
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| 19:12.50 | simonrvn | it's irc, not msn |
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| 19:13.05 | asdf123 | Today I'm was with a problem with Exim: a server sendding spam. The problem was discovered: the poor user password allowed somebody upload a PHP script at server. This script was controlled by this Windows machine: host170-205-149-62.serverdedicati.aruba.it (62.149.205.170) |
| 19:13.09 | asdf123 | The script was removed and the problem solved. |
| 19:13.31 | asdf123 | This machines continues sendding spam to other servers |
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| 19:14.06 | simonrvn | take down the box off the 'net, audit the hell out of it, and restore from uninfected backups |
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| 19:14.18 | jelly-home | asdf123: yeah, there are hundreds like those, can't really help that |
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| 19:14.50 | jelly-home | asdf123: you're allowed to use common sense and experience to figure out whether you've been infected further or not |
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| 19:16.27 | dapeamel | hey guys I get this error when Im trying to use exaile please help me out --> http://pastebin.com/JtWRtSF3 |
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| 19:17.26 | boxxertrumps | so, i have this little netbook with an atheros a242x wireless card, and i'm not getting any wireless networks listed with kde 3.5 |
| 19:17.36 | boxxertrumps | knetworkmanager 0.2.2 i think |
| 19:17.49 | poincare101 | Hello. How can I find out my gateway ip from ipconfig? (I'm running backtrack 4 under virtualbox, its almost completely debian) |
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| 19:17.58 | poincare101 | s/ipconfig/ifconfig |
| 19:18.01 | poincare101 | sorry! |
| 19:19.31 | Bushmills | had you asked "how to find your gateway" there was an answer. but as you require to use ifconfig to find gateway, sorry. |
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| 19:19.55 | poincare101 | Bushmills: I'll rephrase my question the. |
| 19:19.57 | poincare101 | *then |
| 19:20.07 | poincare101 | how do I find my gateway? |
| 19:20.16 | poincare101 | as in, my gateway ip. |
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| 19:20.26 | Bushmills | route. look at default |
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| 19:20.54 | poincare101 | Bushmills: ah. Now, I have a much harder question. |
| 19:21.02 | aleray | hi, is there a difference between ssh and openssh? |
| 19:21.07 | aleray | (in aptitude) |
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| 19:21.25 | Bushmills | like "how do i list files using fdisk?" |
| 19:22.02 | poincare101 | I'm running virtualbox with a windows host that's running wifi and I need the guest debian to be on the same network as the host (with a reachable ip), how can I configure this? |
| 19:22.13 | poincare101 | ^ not exactly "hard", but more specific. |
| 19:22.26 | Bushmills | aleray: yes. ssh is a meta package, openssh-server and openssh-clients aren't |
| 19:23.21 | nsadmin | poincare101: usually you add a software bridge to the host OS |
| 19:23.30 | Bushmills | poincare101: i suppose you'd bridge the host and client interfaces |
| 19:23.44 | poincare101 | nsadmin: how can I do that? (would I do this on the host, guest or both?) |
| 19:23.53 | aleray | I want to install openssh, and not the bsd one. what packege should I install then ? |
| 19:24.06 | nsadmin | look at how xen does it |
| 19:24.29 | nsadmin | it doesn't include bridging inside of xen, so it uses existing tools |
| 19:24.49 | moldovean | he running virtualbox |
| 19:25.04 | aleray | oups sorry seems like openssh is the bsd one |
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| 19:25.21 | nsadmin | moldovean: and? |
| 19:25.53 | moldovean | virtualbox has his one dhcp |
| 19:26.37 | moldovean | maybe configurable , but never did it |
| 19:27.10 | poincare101 | nsadmin: I did a bridged connection by "Devices->Network Adapters" and setting it bridged, but when I reset eth0, it can't get a DHCP response. |
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| 19:28.03 | nsadmin | is there a dhcp server running elsewhere on your net? |
| 19:28.11 | eli_ | does debian use xinetd? |
| 19:28.31 | nsadmin | I guess it can |
| 19:28.41 | nsadmin | , versions xinetd |
| 19:28.42 | judd | xinetd -- etch: 1:2.3.14-1; lenny: 1:2.3.14-7; sid: 1:2.3.14-7; squeeze: 1:2.3.14-7 |
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| 19:29.27 | eli_ | thanks |
| 19:29.35 | nsadmin | it looks like it's not been updated in awhile |
| 19:29.36 | poincare101 | nsadmin: just my router, that's all. |
| 19:30.24 | nsadmin | is your router's lan connection on the same net as these virtual machines? |
| 19:31.12 | poincare101 | nsadmin: yeah, I just have one network, with my desktop and lappy on it (desktop wired, lappy wifi) and the virtualbox is inside the laptop. |
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| 19:31.17 | nsadmin | also what happens if you try to just assign one of the available IPs? |
| 19:31.59 | poincare101 | nsadmin: what do you mean "assign"? I haven't done any assigning, only ifup and ifdown. The doesn't assign me an inet address for some reason. |
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| 19:34.49 | poincare101 | nsadmin: thanks! it just started working! I don't really know why... |
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| 19:37.25 | nsadmin | you might want to find out why... and I've not done any thankable thing other than ask questions :) |
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| 19:38.40 | Plouj | hi |
| 19:38.47 | Plouj | how can I list the configuration files of a .deb package? |
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| 19:40.05 | jordanm | Plouj: dpkg -L foo | grep /etc |
| 19:40.31 | jordanm | or for not installed, dpkg --contents |
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| 19:41.25 | Plouj | jordanm: I mean those that are marked as config files |
| 19:41.31 | Plouj | which could be in any loaction |
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| 19:41.50 | Plouj | in order to verify my own package |
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| 19:42.12 | jordanm | Plouj: if they were in other locations, it would be a violation of policy |
| 19:42.22 | nsadmin | poincare101 but since it is working, you seem to have the choice of leaving it alone. if you make that choice and it somehow fails again later (perhaps for the same reason it did now), you'd again have learning in front of you |
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| 19:43.13 | jordanm | Plouj: otherwise, I am guessing you want to look at debian/conffiles from an unpacked source package |
| 19:43.48 | Plouj | oh yeah, thanks |
| 19:44.33 | nsadmin | Jordanm, is there a way to query a binary .deb for the contents of debian/conffiles? |
| 19:44.49 | sphenxes | i am looking for card indexes software. is there anything out there. I have only found one which is called synapsen. is there any other software out there? |
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| 19:45.08 | theplic | how do i get pysdm for debian? |
| 19:45.18 | freeone3000 | I have a USB Mass Storage Device (recognized on Windows) plugged into my computer. `lsusb` shows it as "Bus 004 Device 002: ID 1058:0905 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.". However, `mount -t ext3 /dev/usbdev4.2_ep01 /mnt/external/` fails (as does mounting all other USB devices). It's recognized in windows, what should I try next? |
| 19:45.49 | poincare101 | nsadmin: I understand hwy. I was bridging the windows virtual network interface, which I read online has trouble bridging and isn't direct. |
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| 19:46.30 | thrashold | freeone3000: How did you come up with /dev/usbdev4.2_ep01? Does a device file like that really exist on your system? |
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| 19:47.22 | thrashold | freeone3000: If it is a USB storage, you'll probably have SCSI disk drive devices in /dev/ for it. |
| 19:47.36 | thrashold | freeone3000: dmesg can show you which one |
| 19:47.51 | freeone3000 | thrashold: Yes. It was tap-completed from /lib/usb<tab>. There was 1.1, 2.1, 3.1, and 4.1, all of which had ep00 and ep81, with 4.1 also having ep01 and ep82. |
| 19:48.40 | thrashold | freeone3000: I doubt the existence of such files in either /dev and /lib (let alone both), but they are unlikely to be the device you're looking for |
| 19:49.05 | thrashold | freeone3000: Also, USB storage devices that Windows reads should be either vfat, ntfs, or less likely udf |
| 19:49.17 | orfix | Hi, how can i get my .Xresources to be loaded automaticaly under gnome ? it works only when i type manualy "xrdb -load ~/.Xresources" (-merge doesn't work) ? thanks. |
| 19:50.11 | freeone3000 | I formatted it ext3 personally in order to deal with system interoperability. UDF didn't seem suitable at the time, even though it likely is, and this was before ntfs r/w. Not VFAT because it's 2x500GB RAID. dmesg worked, thanks. |
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| 19:51.39 | jordanm | orfix: as a lame work-around, you can add the command to your gnome startup |
| 19:53.17 | jelly-home | in squeeze, I see devicekit-disks-daemon segfaulting (logged by kernel). How can I make it dump core for later inspection? |
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| 19:53.34 | orfix | jordanm: ok i will try that |
| 19:53.38 | orfix | jordanm: thanks |
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| 19:55.01 | tuvwx | orfix: if you have 'allow-user-resources' in /etc/X11/Xsession.options, you don't have to do anything |
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| 19:56.05 | tuvwx | assuming gnome uses xsession |
| 19:56.18 | orfix | tuvwx: yes i have it ! but it doesn't work, i think that the .Xresources is merged (-merge) not loaded (-load). |
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| 19:57.03 | tuvwx | orfix: it is -merge'ed indeed. see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources |
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| 19:59.39 | tuvwx | orfix: you can also use ~/.xsession to list startup commands, which will apply regardless of the desktop/wm you use, as long as it's launched via xsession |
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| 20:00.14 | tuvwx | someone correct me if i'm wrong |
| 20:01.37 | orfix | tuvwx: yep it is merged :/ maybe i can just change it to -load for USRRESOURCES ? |
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| 20:03.38 | Ambagasdowa | .. |
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| 20:04.02 | bpgoldsb | Anyone know the kernel parameter to limit your RAM? I have 48G in a box, and I want it to think it has 1G. |
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| 20:05.06 | luminoso | bpgoldsb, rum a vm on that 48G with 1GB ram |
| 20:05.06 | luminoso | xD |
| 20:05.54 | bpgoldsb | luminoso: I actually will be doing that too. But I'm benchmarking disk i/o on a VM vs straight HW. |
| 20:06.20 | maligor | bpgoldsb, try mem=1G |
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| 20:07.44 | maligor | or mem=1024M |
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| 20:09.18 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. I've got an issue. I have the concept of X forwarding down, even though I don't have a receptive client, but how would I set up sound forwarding? |
| 20:09.35 | tuvwx | orfix: there is a good chance you'll lose any changes to that file upon upgrades |
| 20:10.22 | bpgoldsb | maligor: That was it, works in a VM. Thank you sir. |
| 20:10.30 | Kaapa | hello there. Can I ask a question about a dist based on debian? Basically, my wife's netbook isn't working after a (failed?) update and seems to be in some dep. issue |
| 20:10.48 | Kaapa | I assume some aptitude magic can help me, but I'm in the blind |
| 20:11.00 | orfix | tuvwx: you are right, same as if i added the xrdb -load ~/.Xressources command at gnome startup using the GUI. |
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| 20:11.56 | Kaapa | can I, somehow, tell to (re)install all packages from some stable version? |
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| 20:14.31 | moldovean | ask #ubuntu |
| 20:14.42 | LetoPoole | Kaapa: check /var/log/aptitude.log to see what changed |
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| 20:15.07 | jelly-home | Kaapa: which distro exactly? |
| 20:15.22 | Kaapa | it's eeebuntu. Uses stuff from their rep plus debian sid |
| 20:15.23 | LetoPoole | Kaapa: check /var/log/aptitude, sorry |
| 20:15.43 | LetoPoole | Kaapa: that sounds like a mess |
| 20:15.47 | theplic | i ran make for pysdm. it asks for msgfmt. cannot find it from apt-get. where shud i get it from? |
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| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | Kaapa: there won't be an easy way to choose the most fitting debian release there |
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| 20:16.28 | Kaapa | LetoPoole: a mess is what I'll be if I don't fix my wife's notebook :p |
| 20:16.34 | LetoPoole | : ) |
| 20:16.56 | LetoPoole | check the logs, and see what package can be related to the problem |
| 20:17.05 | LetoPoole | and... what's the specific issue? |
| 20:17.14 | freeone3000 | sid is stable. it's probably not coming from there. |
| 20:18.09 | jelly-home | Kaapa: pastebin your sources.list and the complete output of your failing command; also, try joining #debian-ubuntu on irc.oftc.net; that channel is more receptive to issues in derivative distros |
| 20:18.24 | Kaapa | apt-get dist-upgrade starts by complaining about a dep issue between libc6 (2.11.2-2) and libc6-dev (2.10.2-4) |
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| 20:18.50 | Kaapa | is there any easyway to pastebin from the cmd-line? |
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| 20:18.57 | LetoPoole | Kaapa: unless it's absolutely neccesary, you can remove libc6-dev |
| 20:19.04 | LetoPoole | needed only for building |
| 20:19.08 | LetoPoole | I assume |
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| 20:19.48 | Kaapa | it complains also about libc6-i686. As if only libc6 was on a more recent version |
| 20:19.54 | asdf | grumble |
| 20:20.11 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:20.11 | dpkg | To pipe command output to a paste site, ask me about <pastebinit> and <paste2pastebin.pl>. You can alternatively upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php or pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 20:20.17 | Kaapa | where is sources.list? |
| 20:20.25 | jelly-home | Kaapa: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:20.25 | LetoPoole | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:20.36 | Kaapa | ah, great tip that |nc |
| 20:20.51 | _hexguy | does anyone know how to enable bash completion on aliases? |
| 20:20.52 | PriitM | For some reason I have directory full of user files with the same access time although it's sure that I haven't accessed them. What could cause this? |
| 20:20.53 | jelly-home | if it still works |
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| 20:21.10 | jelly-home | PriitM: a poorly written backup program |
| 20:21.23 | Kaapa | hum?! s sources.list a regular file?? |
| 20:21.32 | simonrvn | a text file |
| 20:21.53 | jelly-home | Kaapa: most config files in linux are just plain editable text files |
| 20:22.04 | Kaapa | ah, I have a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 20:22.19 | Kaapa | the other one is just lines with literal '#' |
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| 20:24.23 | jelly-home | that's a bit sad and a bit more reminiscent of ubuntu |
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| 20:24.36 | jelly-home | nicer to package tho |
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| 20:26.10 | doublehp | for an ATI RV250, do i need xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeon ? |
| 20:26.14 | jelly-home | Kaapa: grep -hERv '^[[:blank:]]*(#|$)' /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 20:26.41 | jelly-home | Kaapa: pastebin the output of that instead, then |
| 20:26.54 | LetoPoole | doublehp: that's the same package |
| 20:27.03 | doublehp | why different code ? |
| 20:27.07 | doublehp | name |
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| 20:27.24 | doublehp | do i need firmware ? |
| 20:27.24 | LetoPoole | I have a radeon, no idea |
| 20:27.31 | LetoPoole | on my card, yes |
| 20:27.34 | LetoPoole | for 3d |
| 20:27.44 | LetoPoole | x1250 |
| 20:27.58 | LetoPoole | or for KMS, cant remember |
| 20:28.42 | doublehp | mobility fire gl 9000 |
| 20:28.55 | moldovean | xserver-xorg-video |
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| 20:29.13 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.05 | moldovean | doublehp, this is debian ? |
| 20:30.13 | doublehp | y |
| 20:30.16 | jelly-home | moldovean: that's just what upstream clls the dirver trees |
| 20:30.30 | moldovean | oh, ok |
| 20:30.57 | jelly-home | doublehp: video-radeon, but video-ati should still be able to figure it out and load radeon instead |
| 20:32.00 | jelly-home | doublehp: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is the package name should you for some reason have it not installed |
| 20:32.03 | doublehp | what's the package name for firmware ? |
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| 20:33.26 | jelly-home | doublehp: I don't think you need firmware for R200 chips? |
| 20:33.30 | jelly-home | doublehp: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:33.38 | jelly-home | ,versions firmware-linux |
| 20:33.40 | judd | firmware-linux -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.25; sid/non-free: 0.26 |
| 20:33.43 | jelly-home | ,versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:33.45 | judd | firmware-linux-nonfree -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.24~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.25; sid/non-free: 0.26 |
| 20:34.01 | doublehp | is it an R200 ? |
| 20:34.08 | jelly-home | doublehp: firmware-linux will pull in both free and nonfree parts, and you need non-free repo enabled |
| 20:34.26 | jelly-home | doublehp: RV250 is. |
| 20:34.57 | jelly-home | doublehp: the numbers still matched then |
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| 20:36.06 | doomster | waves to the crowd |
| 20:36.14 | dbb | hi all- I want to mount an external firewire disk.. its plugged in now, but didnt automount.. whats the fisrt thing to do ? |
| 20:36.32 | doomster | I have radeonfb compiled into the kernel, anyone know how I can disable it? |
| 20:36.41 | dbb | format should be ext3, iir |
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| 20:37.10 | doomster | dbb: check 'dmesg' if it's there |
| 20:37.17 | dbb | looking |
| 20:37.31 | doomster | or, rather, if you can manually mount it |
| 20:38.59 | moldovean | doomster, which kernel ? |
| 20:39.18 | dbb | there is no time stamp on the dmesg log entries.. but it looks like it saw the disk |
| 20:39.37 | _hexguy | doomster: I believe you can add video=radeonfb:off parameter to the kernel |
| 20:39.51 | doomster | moldovean: Linux, sorry |
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| 20:40.13 | moldovean | which 'Linux' ? |
| 20:40.40 | doomster | moldovean: current Debian/testing on PPC |
| 20:41.04 | moldovean | uname -r ? |
| 20:41.25 | doomster | 2.6.32-5-powerpc |
| 20:41.52 | doomster | anyway, I'll try the "video=radeonfb:off"... |
| 20:42.00 | doomster | wish me luck! |
| 20:42.12 | moldovean | no |
| 20:42.18 | doomster | ? |
| 20:42.26 | doomster | no luck =( |
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| 20:43.07 | dbb | hey! sudo mkdir /mnt/1394; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/1394 |
| 20:43.16 | dbb | seems to work.. |
| 20:43.20 | dbb | good news |
| 20:43.41 | dbb | ;ets see if I can write to it |
| 20:44.13 | _hexguy | dbb: are you using gnome? |
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| 20:45.07 | dbb | _hexguy: yes |
| 20:45.29 | dbb | I have to say, gnome gets periodic errors and fits.. not too happy, but yes |
| 20:45.31 | themill | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:45.31 | dpkg | somebody said gnome-volume-manager was a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works or ask me about <gnome>, <pmount>, <automount> |
| 20:45.38 | jelly-home | Kaapa: also your distro seems to have changed name to AuroraOS ;-) |
| 20:45.53 | _hexguy | dbb: I thought gnome automounted firewire disks |
| 20:46.10 | dbb | well you have your ideal, and your actual ... :p |
| 20:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions konversation |
| 20:46.22 | judd | konversation -- etch: 1.0.1-1; lenny: 1.1-1; sid: 1.3.1-1; squeeze: 1.3.1-1 |
| 20:46.28 | dbb | the last ubuntu fialed to even mount the disk, iir |
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| 20:46.39 | dbb | on this hardware.. commodity ACER |
| 20:46.49 | _hexguy | dbb: are you in ubuntu? |
| 20:46.52 | dbb | no |
| 20:47.03 | dbb | I switched to debian I think because of this, and a postgres package |
| 20:47.18 | dbb | it was months ago |
| 20:47.25 | jhutchins_lt | For some reson, konversation is grabbing nearly 100% of my CPU a lot of the time. |
| 20:47.39 | jhutchins_lt | I have maybe siz tabs open. |
| 20:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | It did this in Mandriva too. |
| 20:47.53 | dbb | I can write.. cool |
| 20:47.57 | _hexguy | dbb: try what dpkg has said, install gnome-volume-manager .. etc |
| 20:48.03 | dbb | ok |
| 20:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | On this laptop it doesn't seem to happen. |
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| 20:48.56 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: what version are you using? |
| 20:49.22 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: both debian and konversation |
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| 20:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | 5.0.5, 1.1.1 |
| 20:50.16 | jhutchins_lt | On both systems. |
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| 20:50.31 | jhutchins_lt | This one actually has additional channels on OFTC open. |
| 20:51.14 | jhutchins_lt | I think I should probably remove all the old pre-debian configuration on the desktop (where it hangs) and re-create it from scratch. Or copy this config. |
| 20:52.17 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: I believe the problem is with konversation since current version is 1.3.1 and they have addressed several bugs since then |
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| 20:52.38 | dbb | "The following packages will be REMOVED: qt4-qmake{u}" .. ??? |
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| 20:52.43 | jhutchins_lt | _hexguy: Current version would be for kde4. |
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| 20:53.32 | _hexguy | jhutchins_lt: mmm true |
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| 20:55.28 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I only see pauses like that if it's busy doing a /whois or /dns. |
| 20:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I'm thinking I've got to eliminate the old config file as a factor. |
| 20:55.54 | dbb | gnome-volume-manager is already at the latest version |
| 20:56.03 | jhutchins_lt | Like I said, seldom have a problem on this laptop. |
| 20:56.20 | dbb | anyway.. moving on to a postgres backup... |
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| 20:59.28 | dbb | ouch - I screwed up.. there was already a disk at /dev/sdba |
| 20:59.36 | dbb | at /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:59.38 | dbb | ugh |
| 20:59.45 | dbb | I dont do this very often.. |
| 21:00.06 | dbb | df -h shows two disks |
| 21:00.18 | dbb | retreat |
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| 21:04.05 | dbb | now.. rebooted.. looking at dmesg |
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| 21:05.33 | O^e0 | which package provides the "unsquashfs" command, in debian ? i'm currently experiencing a "unsquashfs: command not found" error |
| 21:05.36 | O^e0 | ? |
| 21:07.27 | xyan | O^e0: squashfs-tools ... |
| 21:07.48 | moldovean | !tell O^e0 about as |
| 21:08.11 | O^e0 | moldovean: thanks. |
| 21:08.15 | O^e0 | xyan: thanks. |
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| 21:10.45 | dbb | well I have tail -f /var/log/dmesg and I unplugged the 1394 disk and plugged it back in.. and I dont see any msg at all |
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| 21:10.57 | dbb | so, maybe this isnt working :( |
| 21:11.07 | mikeliss | Hi, is there a Right Way for determining if package foo is installed? |
| 21:11.27 | mikeliss | via a script, that is... |
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| 21:12.03 | dbb | the same disk works on firewire on a differnt machine.. this is disappointing |
| 21:12.27 | themill | mikeliss: that is not a well posed problem as "installed" isn't the simply-defined concept you presume it to be, but /msg dpkg installed test |
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| 21:15.57 | dbb | the USB 2 cable auto-mounted.. :-/ |
| 21:16.15 | nsadmin | mikeliss: installing a -package- (as you said it) is defined by the package db, while installing the software in the package may require additional setup; perhaps that's what themill meant |
| 21:17.30 | mikeliss | themill, nsadmin: Makes sense. I'm going to assume that if dpkg thinks it's installed, that it is. |
| 21:18.21 | dbb | *and* no entry in dmesg.. btw |
| 21:19.17 | louitzi | dbb: have you checked the hardware interfaces?? |
| 21:19.27 | dbb | ?? |
| 21:19.43 | themill | mikeliss: dpkg doesn't even have a single "installed" state. It has "unpacked" and "configured" (amongst others). But the recipe the dpkg bot gave you will be sufficient for most uses. |
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| 21:21.08 | nsadmin | debian does its best to encapsulate what it is to install the various pieces of software; in many instances (like a single binary that does not read configuration files or maintain any kind of database, installation is straightforward and no further action is required... but in cases like bind9 (a dns server), there can be multiple uses. for that, dpkg installs for the most common use, which is as a caching-only dns. |
| 21:21.58 | nsadmin | s/database,/database)./ |
| 21:22.52 | mikeliss | Relatedly, is aptitude installed on debian, or is it an Ubuntu thing? |
| 21:23.02 | nsadmin | you can also use bind9 to serve your own domain |
| 21:23.06 | mikeliss | (this is great info, by the way) |
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| 21:23.33 | nsadmin | aptitude is installable. and for lenny and after is highly recommended |
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| 21:24.09 | jefferai | Hey there -- can anyone point me to the nick for Modestas Vainius? |
| 21:24.16 | jefferai | if he's on IRC? |
| 21:24.18 | mikeliss | OK...I'm trying to write a somewhat general install script. I think I'm going to assume that people have aptitude installed, and if not, have them install it. |
| 21:25.14 | jelly-home | mikeliss: it's there by default in lenny |
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| 21:25.39 | nsadmin | you may also want to look into installer scripts and programs that already exist... like fai and stuff like that |
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| 21:25.47 | jelly-home | and that's the oldest currently supported debian release |
| 21:26.15 | mikeliss | jelly-home: Totally works for me. |
| 21:26.21 | mikeliss | nsadmin: thanks for the pointer. I'll check it out. |
| 21:26.37 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of your script? |
| 21:27.08 | jelly-home | "it will do... Magic" |
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| 21:30.47 | themill | jefferai: what are you after? |
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| 21:31.40 | jefferai | he packages our software, and I had some questions for him |
| 21:32.14 | nsadmin | he's after the person before him! |
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| 21:33.15 | jelly-home | jefferai: use a serrated knife |
| 21:33.35 | as | hello, does somebody know if it is possible up only get a single file (/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini) from the lenny repositories? Unfortunately, I have changed the file and now I would like to go back to the inital version. |
| 21:34.41 | nsadmin | as, you can try to unpack the .deb it came from, which might or might not be successful |
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| 21:35.04 | as | oh, damn |
| 21:35.08 | themill | jefferai: can you tell me which packages so I can point you to the right place? |
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| 21:36.09 | jefferai | themill: amarok |
| 21:36.09 | as | nsadmin, thank you anyways |
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| 21:36.09 | as | I thought maybe apt-file or apt-get can do this... |
| 21:36.22 | nsadmin | as: so you're not even going to try it? |
| 21:36.37 | themill | jefferai: the best place to discuss this is probably #debian-qt-kde where you will find him as MoDaX |
| 21:36.43 | jefferai | themill: awesome, thanks |
| 21:37.02 | themill | jefferai: err... #debian-qt-kde on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org), that is |
| 21:37.02 | jefferai | thanks again, see you |
| 21:37.05 | jefferai | oh |
| 21:37.10 | jefferai | hah |
| 21:37.11 | jefferai | ok |
| 21:37.13 | as | nsadmin, I did, but without success so far |
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| 21:37.28 | jefferai | thanks for clarifying |
| 21:37.29 | jefferai | see you |
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| 21:37.31 | MoDaX | ? |
| 21:37.48 | nsadmin | oh you're here too... well he'll be there! |
| 21:37.53 | themill | MoDaX: hehe... or alternatively in here! |
| 21:38.08 | themill | (but #d-qt-kde is probably a better place) |
| 21:38.28 | nsadmin | he jumpped over there, he quit from here |
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| 21:38.49 | nsadmin | as: could you say exactly what you did? |
| 21:38.55 | louitzi | as: try also dpkg |
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| 21:39.18 | as | nsadmin, I tried apt-get and apt-file, but could find a way to get only a single file |
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| 21:39.55 | nsadmin | as: have you altered other files? |
| 21:40.13 | as | yes, therefore I don't want to purge the whole package |
| 21:40.33 | nsadmin | ok, howbout we try this in a manual way... |
| 21:41.04 | as | I would be very thankful |
| 21:41.10 | nsadmin | do you have the .deb somewhere? (like maybe it's in /var/cache/apt/archives) |
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| 21:41.18 | nsadmin | again, not sure this will succeed' |
| 21:41.36 | nsadmin | it will hurt nothing to try |
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| 21:43.01 | as | ok, it seems to be there /var/cache/apt/archives/php5-common |
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| 21:43.23 | nsadmin | ok, so that's the package that contains what you want? |
| 21:43.38 | as | yes |
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| 21:43.41 | nsadmin | anyway, first two steps, |
| 21:44.01 | nsadmin | in your home dir, make a throwaway dir, maybe call it "work" |
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| 21:44.13 | nsadmin | I usually call it wrk |
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| 21:44.27 | nsadmin | you're going to copy the .deb to that dir |
| 21:44.54 | as | ok, done |
| 21:44.58 | nsadmin | during this process you'll be learning what a deb is if you don't know already |
| 21:45.09 | nsadmin | ok, cd to the work dir |
| 21:45.26 | as | I am there |
| 21:45.39 | nsadmin | and so, a .deb is an ar archive containing a text file and two tarballs |
| 21:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Always? |
| 21:46.07 | nsadmin | let's extract them: ar -x (hit tab) |
| 21:46.16 | nsadmin | well version 2 .debs are |
| 21:46.24 | tuv | i have two machines behind a NAT router. whenever openvpn client is running on machine 1, i can access that machine from machine 2 (LAN), but not from an external machine through NAT |
| 21:46.34 | as | ok, I see the files |
| 21:47.11 | nsadmin | so you should have in the wrk dir, the .deb, the text file, data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz |
| 21:47.11 | tuv | why is that? and is there a way around this? (access machine 1 from outside regardless of openvpn) |
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| 21:47.46 | as | yes, exactly |
| 21:47.55 | nsadmin | let's extract the data one: tar xfz data.tar.gz |
| 21:48.07 | nsadmin | you'll then see some dirs and maybe more files |
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| 21:48.14 | nsadmin | dunno exactly what you'll see |
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| 21:48.26 | louitzi | tuv: do you permit encrypted traffic through your modem? |
| 21:48.34 | as | yes! |
| 21:48.41 | nsadmin | but, if the file you seek is not -generated- by the -packaging-, it should be there somewhere |
| 21:49.08 | as | there is already the etc directory, but unfortunatly the php.ini file is missing |
| 21:49.18 | nsadmin | ok, so it's missing |
| 21:49.32 | as | This means I have maybe choosen a wrong .deb |
| 21:49.36 | tuv | louitzi: what's the modem got to do with any of this? i'm not sure i understand you |
| 21:49.43 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 21:49.51 | nsadmin | , find php.ini |
| 21:50.21 | tuv | louitzi: openvpn works fine for outbound traffic |
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| 21:51.08 | as | there was a whole bunch of php5-common*.deb files. I have choosen the newest one php5-common_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8_armel.deb |
| 21:51.31 | as | I am going to check the other ones as well now |
| 21:51.33 | aguitel_ | how hide splash in boot a shutdown process ? |
| 21:51.36 | xyan | as: take a look at usr/share/php5 dir of the extracted data.tar.gz |
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| 21:52.01 | nsadmin | as: it could mean that, yes. but it could also mean that some package does not -contain- the file, but the file is -generated- by a script in the process of installing |
| 21:52.05 | louitzi | tuv: if its layer 2 encrypted traffic you should have a rule to pass encrypted inbound traffic through your modem |
| 21:52.28 | nsadmin | as: you'll want to make separate wrk dirs for each |
| 21:52.37 | as | oh yes, php.ini-dist looks good! |
| 21:52.59 | as | nsadmin, thank you a lot! |
| 21:53.05 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 21:53.31 | nsadmin | you got more than you bargained for too :P |
| 21:54.18 | as | yes, now I also got an idea what .deb packages are |
| 21:54.36 | nsadmin | having shown you all this, you'll want to be cautious, as sometimes files get "edited" by scripts which expect to have edited them |
| 21:56.04 | nsadmin | another common thing, is for some config files which are edited by scripts, the script might refuse to edit if (for example) the md5sum of the script does not match a stored md5sum |
| 21:56.12 | tuv | louitzi: i'm trying to connect as if there is no vpn, which isn't working though NAT, but works locally |
| 21:56.30 | tuv | the router is unaware of the vpn |
| 21:56.45 | nsadmin | so you should find out if any of this is the case, and if you want to allow future edits, you would have the stored md5sum recalculated |
| 21:57.10 | tuv | i can access the machine from the router (local shell on the router), but not through the router (externally through NAT) |
| 21:57.35 | Tramp | tuv: I don't see, what the VPN has to do with this. If you have a port-forward (aka DNAT) set up correctly, this machine should be accessible |
| 21:57.40 | jhutchins_lt | Debian often puts example config files in the /usr/share/doc/<package> directory. |
| 21:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | !confmiss |
| 21:57.46 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 21:58.17 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: that's a great tip |
| 21:58.28 | tuv | Tramp: i shutdown openvpn -> i can connect from an external machine. start openvpn -> cannot |
| 21:58.34 | nsadmin | err pair of tips |
| 21:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | tuv: How are you connecting (or not)? |
| 21:58.58 | Tramp | tuv: so apparently openvpn sets a default-GW through the tunnel to avoid split-access |
| 21:59.19 | jhutchins_lt | That should be optional. |
| 21:59.30 | as | nsadmin, interesting. I think this isn't the case right now, since I coudn't have changed the config file in this case. But I agree, this can be important for other configuration file |
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| 22:00.13 | Tramp | tuv: i.e. it's an openvpn configuration issue. Not sure, but there may be an #openvpn ..... |
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| 22:01.42 | nsadmin | as: so, just be aware... most of this stuff is considered outside debian packaging, and so you're reaching under the hood and doing stuff... which absolutely is your right given you own the machine... but many things you do under the hood yourself can influence and affect any support you get |
| 22:02.22 | nsadmin | it would seem in this case you've done something that would not have such an effect |
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| 22:02.55 | as | nsadmin, sure |
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| 22:05.26 | nsadmin | having said ALL that... you can check out scripting languages other than php, like perl/python/tcl, which all have extensive libraries of external modules for all kinds of purposes and which in some way extend the language |
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| 22:19.18 | anoob | http://paste.uni.cc/20786 |
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| 22:33.00 | MFen | is there a good channel for debian/python issues? particularly packaging issues |
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| 22:36.17 | louish | está away; Volto mais tarde - site[n/a] email[none@none] uin[none] log[on] pager[off] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 22:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell louish -about away |
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| 22:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | MFen, perhaps #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org? |
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| 22:38.22 | MFen | ok, i'll try that, thanks |
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| 22:41.14 | sphenxes | I would like to build a bibliography to my articles. What is the name of the software that works on debian? |
| 22:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jabref? |
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| 22:42.53 | zebradog | sphenxes is asking this question on the channels he's in |
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| 22:48.08 | hideo | louish: turn that off |
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| 22:49.23 | trondpeter | whats the difference between ubuntu-server and a debian server? :) |
| 22:50.56 | AimHere | The main difference is that one of those is off-topic in here |
| 22:51.48 | trondpeter | Im having problems with ubuntu server not wanting to boot correctly atleast not on ttys, while it actually works well and is accessible from ssh.... anyone want to guess what the problem might be? Im thinking of trying debian, but afraid Ill get same problem there.. problem appears suddenly without warning and without any editing done recently.. looks like happens after a number of boots.. |
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| 22:51.54 | trondpeter | lol |
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| 22:52.01 | louish | retornou do away; Volto mais tarde - duração[15m44s] -=[Cyber]=- |
| 22:52.14 | not-me | can anyone help with a broken apt-get pls? |
| 22:52.56 | not-me | i cant get it to install or remove snort-mysql |
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| 22:55.01 | zebradog | trondpeter, maybe its performing an incompatible vga mode, try appending vga=ask to bootling line |
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| 22:55.49 | trondpeter | ok zebradog :) Ill try that! not sure where to put that in grub.cfg? :) |
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| 22:56.15 | zebradog | trondpeter, not really, you can do it on the fly on boot, use 'e' to edit for temporary with grub menu |
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| 22:57.47 | trondpeter | and "shift" to make grub menu appear right? :) thanks a lot for the tip zebradog! |
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| 22:58.18 | vysical | hello |
| 22:58.19 | Bushmills | trondpeter: we tend to blame ubuntu |
| 22:58.28 | moldovean | vga=ask is not an option for grub-legacy ? |
| 22:58.40 | vysical | can anyone tell me a server for my sources.list that fits for debian etch? |
| 22:58.52 | moldovean | !ado |
| 22:58.52 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 22:59.18 | moldovean | vysical, /msg dpkg etch |
| 22:59.47 | vysical | http://archive.debian.org/debian/ works, thank you! |
| 22:59.56 | LV-426 | any notion of run-time service dependency in debian, that is having on failed service automatically stop all services which depend on it ? |
| 23:00.00 | moldovean | Bushmills, we tend only ? ;) |
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| 23:00.07 | LV-426 | s/on/one |
| 23:01.56 | Bushmills | moldovean: yes. in other cases, the ubuntu user, or his neglect to read docs, is identified as problem cause. so we don't blame ubuntu all the time. |
| 23:02.26 | sparr | is it my imagination, or have critical and high level debconf questions decreased in frequency over the last decade? |
| 23:02.49 | jelly-home | sparr: you answered them all! |
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| 23:07.10 | sparr | jelly: :) |
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| 23:07.59 | sparr | seriously, though... when i switched to ubuntu a few years ago, I noticed a complete lack of high priority questions in almost every package, and moving back to debian i was expecting to see them again but mostly dont |
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| 23:08.11 | sparr | thousand-package upgrade... 2 questions, where i'm used to seeing dozens |
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| 23:08.35 | jelly-home | sparr: ubuntu tries real hard to provide sensible defaults |
| 23:08.49 | sparr | sure, which didn't surprise me |
| 23:08.50 | jelly-home | sparr: some of that work might have flown back to debian |
| 23:08.55 | jordanm | and new sensible defaults every 6mos |
| 23:08.57 | jonkri | if someone with postfix could paste the output of ls -l /var/log | grep mail i would be really greatful :) |
| 23:08.57 | sparr | my thoughts exactly |
| 23:09.33 | jordanm | jonkri: perhaps you were looking for: find /var/log -name '*mail*'? |
| 23:09.46 | jelly-home | jonkri: postfix uses syslogd, so you'll have whatever your syslogd's configured to create. |
| 23:09.57 | jordanm | or... -maxdepth 1 to match that functionality exactly |
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| 23:10.21 | jordanm | anyways, don't pipe ls through grep |
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| 23:11.53 | sparr | jordanm: your use of "exactly" belies your later admonition :-p |
| 23:11.56 | sparr | or vice versa |
| 23:12.03 | jordanm | jonkri: also, I am not a postfix user, but that pattern would fail to match all of exim4's logs |
| 23:12.30 | jelly-home | jonkri: debian 5.0 defaults would be /var/log/mail.{log,err,warn,info}, owned by root:adm, mode 0640 |
| 23:12.52 | jordanm | sparr: you're right, I could have done much better to word it |
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| 23:15.39 | jelly-home | jonkri: why do you ask? |
| 23:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | I consolidate all of my mail messages into a single log. |
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| 23:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | I learned with RedHat's log layout, all this logging to twenty-leven different files drives me nuts. |
| 23:16.54 | jelly-home | I nuke mail.{err,warn,info} and logging of mail.* anywhere else but mail.log as well |
| 23:17.11 | jelly-home | it's just silly |
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| 23:18.02 | jonkri | jelly-home: that's the information i needed. thanks all |
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| 23:19.33 | jelly-home | jonkri: if you'd upgraded from debian 3.1 or earlier mail.* logs would be stored in separate /var/log/mail/, not directly in /var/log |
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| 23:22.05 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: all that throw everything in /var/log/messages drives me nuts... |
| 23:22.16 | acrocycle | A bluetooth dongle should be plug-n-play right? No configuration neccessary? |
| 23:22.31 | jordanm | !bluetooth |
| 23:22.31 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
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| 23:23.00 | acrocycle | Thanks jordanm, I have done that already. |
| 23:23.21 | acrocycle | No devices are showing up... I just want to be sure whether it is my dongle or device. |
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| 23:24.06 | trondpeter | ok where to put the vga=ask?? I pressed e and put in vga=ask in some empty line, but nothing happened |
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| 23:25.23 | jordanm | trondpeter: boot parameters belong on the kernel line |
| 23:25.35 | trondpeter | maybe Ill have to write something on the same line as ro nomodeset?? (quiet spash is default I think.. but tried to fix problem with putting nomodeset without that helping anything) |
| 23:26.09 | not-me | test |
| 23:26.13 | trondpeter | ok :) |
| 23:26.21 | jordanm | trondpeter: yes. you shouldn't edit that section of menu.lst however, you should edit defoptions= and generate a new one with update-grub |
| 23:26.38 | jordanm | trondpeter: editing from the menu won't hurt though |
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| 23:28.37 | jonkri | jelly-home: i accidentally removed the log files and now postfix refuses to log to them |
| 23:28.46 | jonkri | jelly-home: can i ask syslogd to recreate them or something? |
| 23:28.51 | trondpeter | ok :) "Legacy 'ask' parameter no longer supported ... but I guess instead of ask I shoudl try some number 771 is a good number for testing? :) |
| 23:29.29 | jordanm | trondpeter: are you sure you want a framebuffer? you plan to use this machine on the local TTYs? |
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| 23:31.51 | trondpeter | yeah.. well i think so.. to be able to get in and do changes without ssh'ing it |
| 23:31.52 | trondpeter | text is more than enough though.. dont want any graphics :) |
| 23:32.47 | jordanm | trondpeter: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 23:33.42 | trondpeter | tried vga=788 but got error. thanks for link.. Ill read |
| 23:34.16 | jordanm | trondpeter: ignore the kernel compiling sections. only the parts that discuss the boot params are relevant to you |
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| 23:35.11 | jelly-home | jordanm: postfix isn't logging anything, syslog is. Restart it. |
| 23:35.23 | jelly-home | jonkri: postfix isn't logging anything, syslog is. Restart it. |
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| 23:35.59 | pyther24 | Hello |
| 23:36.05 | pyther24 | my tftp server is slower than crap |
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| 23:36.20 | pyther24 | what can I do to trouble shoo the problem, scp and other services are fine |
| 23:36.51 | jelly-home | jonkri: it'll be either rsyslog or sysklogd init script by default, again depending on which debian release was initially installed |
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| 23:38.21 | unkmar | hello |
| 23:38.27 | trondpeter | "ro splash vga=785" would be a nice ending on kernel line I guess? hmm I guess I wouldnt want framebuffer for my server,, since its text only.. booting up in tty1 is the only think i desire :p |
| 23:38.35 | unkmar | I am trying to get xmodmap to work. |
| 23:39.24 | jelly-home | trondpeter: or, splash either |
| 23:39.29 | unkmar | I ran xmodmap .xmodmap and then checked using ps faux | less It isn't running. |
| 23:39.50 | unkmar | my .xmodmap file has the usual keycode 123 = something syntax. |
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| 23:42.55 | acrocycle | Anyone know a good guide on getting bluetooth to work? I thought it would be easy and got to a certain point but now I am unsure what to do. It should be easy, it seems. |
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| 23:43.59 | freeone3000 | I'd like to do something akin to network QoS, but on my own box. The NIC is significantly slower than the network - 10Mbit versus the 100Mbit that the other computers are connected to. How would I ensure that SSH has a higher network priority than, say, CIFS? |
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| 23:45.00 | jelly-home | freeone3000: wondershaper is a really simple and stupid QoS script to try out |
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| 23:46.24 | jelly-home | good enough to provide decent response on my interactive ssh sessions over a dsl line while a download or three is running |
| 23:46.40 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
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| 23:48.05 | acrocycle | !bluetooth dongle |
| 23:48.14 | acrocycle | !bluetooth |
| 23:48.14 | dpkg | hmm... bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
| 23:48.54 | freeone3000 | It seems to be doing slightly better, but it seems like it's not built for LAN. I suppose I'll look at how it's working, and see if I can reconfigure it. |
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| 23:55.53 | relzzz | how do i set a virtual shell host (other linux under debian without X)? |
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| 23:57.56 | freeone3000 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html may be useful. |
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| 23:59.44 | relzzz | so i can use chroot to intall non debian environment? |
| 23:59.52 | Shadowsong | hi. How do I fully remove Apache2? |