| 00:00.56 | jordanm | I am sure there is a better solution |
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| 00:01.30 | nsadmin | would aptitude why care whether certain packages are installed? |
| 00:04.22 | syslq1 | nsadmin: why only tells you what it suggests and on what given package depends |
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| 00:05.05 | jordanm | ah yes, packages that are installed due to recommends, and not depends will be filtered out of that list.... |
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| 00:05.50 | nsadmin | it seems you'd need to build a full tree then pick the leaves |
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| 00:06.37 | nsadmin | MindVirus, do you want all non-dependedupon packages, or just the ones installed |
| 00:07.23 | jordanm | if it wasn't just ones installed, then grep-dctrl will be the tool |
| 00:07.58 | nsadmin | the control file won't give you everything since there's automatic lib deps |
| 00:08.18 | syslq1 | I'd just parse aptitude log |
| 00:08.30 | jordanm | thats easy to factor, because those packages are "essential" |
| 00:09.37 | nsadmin | one thing we know... if libs are found, they are by definition useless :) |
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| 00:15.38 | peterrooney | apt-get autoremove. |
| 00:15.50 | peterrooney | can't recall anything like that in aptitude |
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| 00:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | What about the package list from deboostrap. |
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| 00:22.14 | jordanm | peterrooney: it doesn't need a seperate command, because it always autoremoves |
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| 00:23.53 | jesselang | I now have the lenny netinst USB stick. |
| 00:24.26 | jesselang | But it can't find my ethernet card. It's a broadcom, and should work with tg3, but I need to load the "broadcom" module first. |
| 00:24.33 | jesselang | That module doesn't appear to be available. |
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| 00:24.43 | jesselang | Can anyone offer suggestions? |
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| 00:24.59 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 00:24.59 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 00:27.14 | jesselang | Jordanm. Thanks. |
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| 00:32.27 | pandrew | Hello! I just added a slashdot rss feed into thunderbird(icedove), and configured so that the website is downloaded when i click the item. Right now google ads, and other ads appear while the website is loading. What is showing me the google ads, is it slashdot? |
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| 00:35.23 | BiGViC | hey guys what's up this is kind of a weird question. Ever since I install Debian things just work and things that didn't. IE. Installing Flash and simple stuff like that was pretty straightforward. Only thing is I feel though like I love Linux/Debian but I'm not learning since everything is just working lol... any book to learn about linux? |
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| 00:36.19 | jordanm | BiGViC: those are the joys of stable. testing and unstable do not share the same |
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| 00:37.06 | BiGViC | jordanm: oh trust me I'm enjoy my stableness ALOT!!! lmao :) just I want to learn a bit like I do with windows I'm a PC tech for windows and stuff but Linux just works perfect lol |
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| 00:37.22 | karlpinc | BiGViC: See the docs referened in the grounding factoid to follow. |
| 00:37.23 | jordanm | BiGViC: doing the lfs project in a vm would be a good learning experience, and lfs is pretty well documented |
| 00:37.30 | karlpinc | !tell BiGViC about grounding |
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| 00:38.18 | BiGViC | ok guys thanks will get to reading :) Debian is to good :) |
| 00:38.32 | karlpinc | BiGViC: What you need is a project. Learning in the abstract is always tricky. Nothing like a hands-on to really get it. |
| 00:38.52 | karlpinc | BiGViC: So, setup a lan entirely using debian.... |
| 00:39.29 | moldovean | a beowulf .. |
| 00:40.14 | moldovean | karlpinc, a wan ;) |
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| 00:42.17 | BiGViC | karlpinc: yeah that sounds perfect I have another old pc lying around doing nothing maybe I can try installing Debian with no GUI and stuff like that |
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| 00:44.30 | syn4pse | what would you guys say is the easiest way to create an unattended debian install ( apart from creating images with 3rd party software)? |
| 00:45.45 | petemc | there arent a wealth of options, preseeding or fai |
| 00:46.50 | syn4pse | thanks |
| 00:46.54 | petemc | np |
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| 00:59.32 | honschu | Hi, is this correct english: "foo is not a pointer device, so do not misuse mousebuttons either" ? |
| 01:00.39 | jordanm | doesn't make much sense to me |
| 01:00.48 | rhodan | Yes, but itâs nonsense. |
| 01:00.56 | rhodan | Say it in french. |
| 01:00.57 | jordanm | I am thinking "misuse" was not the word you were looking for |
| 01:01.16 | rhodan | jordanm: Thatâs not correct, either. |
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| 01:03.11 | rhodan | honschu: Say it in your native language, please. |
| 01:03.12 | honschu | ok, what about: "A joypad is not a pointer device, so do not misuse mousebuttons either." ? |
| 01:03.24 | syn4pse | abuse |
| 01:03.29 | honschu | ah ok |
| 01:03.55 | honschu | "A joypad is not a pointer device, so do not abuse mousebuttons either." ? good? |
| 01:04.17 | syn4pse | er hat recht sag mal auf deutsch was du meinst ;) |
| 01:04.24 | syn4pse | lmao |
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| 01:05.11 | honschu | "Ein joypad ist kein Zeigergerät, deshalb sollten auch keine Mausknöpfe falsch benutzt werden" |
| 01:05.30 | syn4pse | -keine :D |
| 01:05.46 | honschu | haha |
| 01:05.59 | rhodan | honschu: Das ergibt auch so keinen Sinn. |
| 01:06.07 | honschu | rhodan: doch |
| 01:06.10 | honschu | ;-) |
| 01:06.15 | honschu | warum denn nicht? |
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| 01:06.39 | rhodan | WWelMa |
| 01:06.39 | rhodan | asdasdQW |
| 01:06.44 | rhodan | Ups. |
| 01:06.45 | rhodan | Lag. |
| 01:07.00 | MindVirus | nsadmin: All non-depended-upon. |
| 01:07.40 | rhodan | honschu: A joypad is no pointing device, so please refrain from abusing it as such. |
| 01:07.47 | rhodan | Oder was willst du sagen? |
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| 01:08.40 | honschu | rhodan: das ist nur ein comment im logfile zu meinem patch. |
| 01:08.53 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.53 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 01:09.05 | honschu | sorry |
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| 01:09.28 | rhodan | moldovean: But itâs not funny if they *know* that we are insulting them in foreign languages. |
| 01:09.47 | rhodan | Du Zipfelklatscher! ;) |
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| 01:11.51 | syn4pse | lmao |
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| 01:16.42 | kre10s | I have a problem with sound on my laptop. it works fine save the headphone jack... I have: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:17.08 | kre10s | What is required to make this work properly? |
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| 01:18.02 | kre10s | uname -a gives: Linux slaptop 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 20 20:16:30 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:18.07 | jordanm | kre10s: check alsamixer to make sure front is not muted |
| 01:19.02 | jordanm | the gnome mixer can probably adjust it too |
| 01:19.02 | kre10s | alsa mixer only shows "master" "pcm" and "digital"... none are muted or turned down |
| 01:19.24 | syn4pse | <kre10s> try aumix to set ur channels |
| 01:19.31 | syn4pse | nice cli app |
| 01:20.14 | syn4pse | iḿ using the exactly same card ( i had to addmyself to a group that allows me to use audio altough ) |
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| 01:23.02 | kre10s | no-go... still only sound from the main speakers |
| 01:24.54 | kre10s | syn4pse: what do you have in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf ? |
| 01:25.45 | kre10s | are you using snd-hda-intel? |
| 01:26.05 | syn4pse | file does not exist |
| 01:26.55 | kre10s | modprobe.d/sound then? |
| 01:26.58 | moldovean | kre10s, tried 'alsaconf' ? |
| 01:27.14 | kre10s | yes. alsaconf told me to have fun :P |
| 01:27.31 | moldovean | go have fun .. |
| 01:27.40 | cthuluh | hehe, funny alsaconf :) |
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| 01:28.01 | jonkri | i'm trying to run jetty from a chrooted environment as the user jetty like this: chroot /chroots/http `su -c "/jetty/run-jetty.sh" jetty`. jetty is a user of the chrooted environment |
| 01:28.07 | jonkri | when i run it i get "Unknown id: jetty". do i need to quote those commands differently or something? when i run "su -c "/jetty/run-jetty.sh" jetty" in the chrooted environment it works |
| 01:28.11 | syn4pse | aliases arch blacklist blacklist-modem blacklist-watchdog isapnp options |
| 01:28.11 | syn4pse | alsa-base arch-aliases blacklist-framebuffer blacklist-oss fuse lrm-video ralink |
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| 01:28.18 | syn4pse | those are the files my modprobe.d dir offers ;) |
| 01:28.19 | cthuluh | humpf |
| 01:29.52 | cthuluh | jonkri: `su -c "/jetty/run-jetty.sh" jetty` <==== are they litteral backticks? |
| 01:30.02 | kre10s | what is me goona doo!?!? |
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| 01:30.59 | cthuluh | kre10s: install a kernel from the backports (always the same answer...) |
| 01:30.59 | moldovean | kre10s, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 01:31.52 | manchot | why is that nginx pkg does not have fastcgi on Lenny? |
| 01:33.19 | moldovean | , versions nginx |
| 01:33.22 | judd | nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.7.67-1; squeeze: 0.7.67-1 |
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| 01:33.52 | moldovean | manchot, tied lenny-backports ? |
| 01:34.25 | moldovean | tried * |
| 01:34.39 | jonkri | cthuluh: i don't know. they are not the ones used with don't :) |
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| 01:34.56 | manchot | moldovean, there is nginx pkg in the repository, but without fastcgi support |
| 01:35.51 | cthuluh | jonkri: I do my best, but I don't fully understand what you said (english is not my first language...) 8) |
| 01:36.29 | moldovean | manchot, report to bts , as wishlist or so , but make sure backports are the same .. |
| 01:36.34 | cthuluh | jonkri: try to replace (`) with ('), if that's the problem |
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| 01:37.42 | cthuluh | well, google says me that nginx on lenny supports fast-cgi, but you need spawn-fcgi from the lighttpd package... |
| 01:39.08 | moldovean | thou googled before asked .. |
| 01:41.16 | honschu | in english: do you write "gamepadbuttons" or "gamepad-buttons"? |
| 01:41.17 | honschu | solved |
| 01:41.22 | syn4pse | :) |
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| 01:42.03 | macrobat | german has long words, english short ones |
| 01:42.57 | moldovean | was du sagt ? |
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| 01:44.11 | syn4pse | german language has long words: Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft |
| 01:45.59 | jonkri | cthuluh: i do appreciate your help :) the problem is that the user "jetty" is not being found when running the command from chroot |
| 01:46.39 | ZenWalker | syn4pse: that is a word ? |
| 01:46.54 | syn4pse | yes :D |
| 01:46.59 | gapz | hey cthuluh, you here ! |
| 01:47.02 | ZenWalker | wOw o.0 |
| 01:47.11 | syn4pse | that was a devision of the Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft |
| 01:47.18 | syn4pse | be4 WWI |
| 01:47.22 | syn4pse | located in vienna |
| 01:47.28 | syn4pse | (austria) |
| 01:47.29 | syn4pse | hehe |
| 01:47.39 | MindVirus | jordanm: Your version is slow and incomplete. |
| 01:48.01 | cthuluh | oh geez, gapz, you again?!?! |
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| 01:49.14 | gapz | cthuluh: I'm idling here for weeks but we never talked at the same time |
| 01:49.18 | gapz | (: |
| 01:49.18 | cthuluh | jonkri: well, does the 'su' command have a way to say whether "jetty" is a real user, since you're in a chroot? |
| 01:49.52 | cthuluh | gapz: I will tell to all your openbsd friends that you idle on some GNU/linux chans |
| 01:50.06 | gapz | cthuluh: it's the only one :p |
| 01:50.10 | gapz | I swear |
| 01:50.10 | gapz | <: |
| 01:50.32 | cthuluh | tsss, tsss... |
| 01:50.40 | MindVirus | That might be my favorite smiley face ever. |
| 01:50.41 | MindVirus | :> |
| 01:50.51 | cthuluh | it's mine too |
| 01:50.55 | cthuluh | with 8) |
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| 01:51.58 | syn4pse | whats about that small fat one :o) |
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| 01:52.23 | cthuluh | syn4pse: you're drunk, aren't you? |
| 01:52.40 | syn4pse | no |
| 01:52.47 | syn4pse | iḿ always stupid like that |
| 01:53.10 | pflanze | Anyone here successfully using a 3G networking usb stick? How do you configure user/pw? |
| 01:53.19 | cthuluh | I was only joking about the "nose". anyway... 8) |
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| 01:54.33 | petemc | pflanze: wvdial.conf |
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| 01:54.58 | pflanze | petemc: how did you remove user/pw from the conf? |
| 01:55.16 | petemc | ? |
| 01:55.18 | pflanze | Or what user/pw are you giving? |
| 01:55.38 | pflanze | Because I haven't gotten any such info from my provider. |
| 01:56.02 | petemc | i think i used something like web/web, it varies according to provider |
| 01:56.14 | pflanze | hm, k. |
| 01:57.11 | pflanze | petemc: if you've got any clue what the messages I posted on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/07/msg00573.html mean, I'd be grateful if you told me. |
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| 01:57.59 | petemc | theres a package in squeeze that makes many 3g modems work |
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| 01:58.35 | petemc | cant recall the name, and im not using the laptop i did this on before.. |
| 01:58.47 | pflanze | Hmm, this one? ofono - Mobile telephony stack (daemon) |
| 01:58.52 | petemc | no |
| 01:59.08 | pflanze | xfce4-cellmodem-plugin - cellular modem plugin for the Xfce4 panel |
| 01:59.15 | petemc | nope |
| 01:59.21 | pflanze | comgt - Option GlobeTrotter and Vodafone datacard control tool |
| 01:59.38 | pflanze | That's the last hit matching both 3g and modem |
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| 02:00.06 | cthuluh | pflanze: the only thing I can tell you is that you don't need parenthesis around your "while true... done". sorry for the "noise" :) |
| 02:00.18 | pflanze | cthuluh: I do because of the exit |
| 02:00.18 | jonkri | chroot /chroots/http 'su -c "/jetty/run-jetty.sh" jetty' -> chroot: cannot run command `su -c "/jetty/run-jetty.sh" jetty': No such file or directory |
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| 02:00.42 | cthuluh | pflanze: you mean "break" |
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| 02:01.12 | pflanze | cthuluh: dunno about how break exactly works; just using exit seems sensible to me |
| 02:01.28 | jonkri | lal |
| 02:01.29 | cthuluh | jonkri: oh, weird, there's no 'su' command in your chroot |
| 02:01.48 | cthuluh | pflanze: don't change anything |
| 02:01.49 | jonkri | chroot /chroots/http su -c "/jetty/run-jetty.sh" jetty -> works |
| 02:02.01 | jonkri | there should not be any ' around the command >_< |
| 02:02.01 | jonkri | thanks |
| 02:02.26 | syn4pse | well you got that told already ;) |
| 02:03.16 | jonkri | syn4pse: me? |
| 02:03.32 | nike | I got these errors installing mysql-server: http://pastebin.ca/1897625 |
| 02:04.14 | pflanze | petemc: this? hsolink - Utility to control the Option 3G HSO device interface |
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| 02:04.28 | syn4pse | <nike> enough free space |
| 02:04.42 | syn4pse | jonkri yes i remember reading it somewhere up |
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| 02:05.46 | jonkri | damned web based irc client :P |
| 02:05.52 | jonkri | ohwell, thanks people |
| 02:06.10 | syn4pse | thats waht matters its working now ;) |
| 02:06.31 | petemc | pflanze: no, it was a bunch of scripts for various usb modems |
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| 02:08.37 | pflanze | ppp scripts? |
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| 02:09.30 | petemc | i think so |
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| 02:10.16 | pflanze | No idea then; I think I'm going to try hsolink |
| 02:10.36 | pflanze | which should end the ppp troubles if it works, as it seems. |
| 02:11.41 | petemc | the reason im so vague is that after being told my my friend noodles which packages to install i just plugged it in and it worked |
| 02:11.54 | petemc | also, i use a mac most of the time |
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| 02:14.44 | cthuluh | apples are bad for health |
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| 02:16.38 | petemc | hard to beat the power management on apple laptops |
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| 02:20.18 | cthuluh | petemc: well, dunno, it used to take me 8 hours to empty my samsung NC10's battery, until I broke its screen |
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| 02:24.52 | petemc | cthuluh: i mean hibernate etc, it just works, and it works well |
| 02:24.52 | pflanze | cthuluh: what did you do with it after breaking the screen? |
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| 02:38.19 | jeeves_Moss | just wondering how I can fix my screen issue. I have 2 Toshiba laptops with nVidia cards in them, and now that I've updated, my screen flickers (the backlight comes on and off randomly). this one laptop ran like a champ for 2 years now, and NOTHING could shake it untill I did the update. Now, even from a cold boot, it's doing it. |
| 02:40.05 | cast | what changed in the update? |
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| 02:42.01 | jeeves_Moss | cast, not sure |
| 02:42.07 | jeeves_Moss | I'm doin' the fourms thing right now |
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| 02:49.33 | Blice | What package would the command `ps` be in? |
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| 02:53.36 | Pryon | Blice: procps |
| 02:53.43 | Blice | Pryon: Thanks so much! :] |
| 02:53.51 | Pryon | (apt-file search /bin/ps) |
| 02:54.13 | Pryon | and you're welcome |
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| 03:01.32 | Blice | Pryon: didn't know about apt-file, thanks. |
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| 03:18.59 | kre10s | can someone please walk me through using backports to get sound to work for a sony laptop with ICH8 family card? |
| 03:19.14 | kre10s | sound to work properly that is. |
| 03:19.29 | kre10s | it woks, just not out of the headphone jack |
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| 03:24.02 | ntsasng | !Hi all |
| 03:24.02 | dpkg | Hi no-one! |
| 03:24.26 | ntsasng | how to send file from computer to mobile |
| 03:25.23 | ntsasng | please help me |
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| 03:25.36 | moldovean | kre10s, in gnome ? |
| 03:26.00 | ntsasng | yes |
| 03:26.07 | ntsasng | Debian lenny gnome |
| 03:26.28 | ntsasng | i cant send from mobile to computer |
| 03:26.42 | kre10s | moldovean: yes |
| 03:26.42 | ntsasng | but i can't send from computer to mobile |
| 03:27.06 | moldovean | gnome-volume-control> Switchers> check/uncheck "Headphone" |
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| 03:29.45 | kre10s | moldovean: I don't have those options. |
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| 03:30.41 | moldovean | hm, running gnome-volume-control from terminal ? |
| 03:31.26 | moldovean | well, xterm |
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| 03:35.06 | kre10s | either way... I only have master pcm and digital |
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| 03:35.43 | ntsasng | help me |
| 03:35.59 | ntsasng | how to send file from computer to mobile |
| 03:36.01 | ntsasng | ???? |
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| 03:36.11 | ThinkRob | ntsasng: Bluetooth? |
| 03:36.15 | ntsasng | yes |
| 03:36.16 | ntsasng | :D |
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| 03:36.33 | ntsasng | i can send from mobile to computer |
| 03:36.48 | ntsasng | but i can't send from computer to mobile |
| 03:36.50 | ntsasng | :) |
| 03:37.18 | ntsasng | ThinkRob: i have that problem |
| 03:37.37 | ntsasng | ThinkRob: i'm using debian lenny 5.0.4 |
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| 03:38.45 | moldovean | kre10s, you have the same? > http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png |
| 03:39.21 | ntsasng | help me plz |
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| 03:39.40 | moldovean | !patience ntsasng |
| 03:39.48 | moldovean | !patience |
| 03:39.49 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 03:40.12 | ntsasng | moldovean: ok |
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| 03:41.37 | moldovean | kre10s, http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-1_2.png |
| 03:42.01 | moldovean | ntsasng, use "mc" |
| 03:42.29 | ntsasng | moldovean:what is mc? |
| 03:42.37 | moldovean | install it |
| 03:42.48 | moldovean | midnight commander |
| 03:43.01 | ntsasng | moldovean: i was insstall it |
| 03:43.11 | kre10s | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2.png |
| 03:43.17 | kre10s | thats what i have,,, |
| 03:43.45 | moldovean | kre10s, yeah .. |
| 03:44.52 | ntsasng | are you using success bluetooth on Debian? |
| 03:45.18 | moldovean | ntsasng, i don't use bluetooth |
| 03:45.58 | ntsasng | moldovean: i can send file from my mobile |
| 03:46.07 | moldovean | how ? |
| 03:46.23 | ntsasng | moldovean: but i can't send file from computer to mobile |
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| 03:47.58 | ntsasng | i'm Vietnamese, i speak English not very well :( |
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| 03:49.15 | moldovean | ntsasng, i don't speak Vietnamese at all .. |
| 03:49.57 | Schmee | hi all. I have a problem with a recent debian lenny install. Specifically the exim installation which seems to be a debian-only config and may not be appropriate for #exim. The problem I have is that I've covnerted all the users to maildir using the dc_localdelivery='maildir_home' entry in update-exim4.conf.conf, updated the config and retsarted exim. All was well, at least until I noticed that some users mail is still beign deliver |
| 03:49.57 | Schmee | ed to /var/mail/$username andothers are being delivered to $HOME/Maildir. Obviously I'm doing somethign wrong here, but I have no clue as to what. Any ideas? |
| 03:51.49 | Wyzard | Does anyone know how gdm3 decides which tty it should start X on? |
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| 03:52.20 | Wyzard | It's starting on a tty I don't want it to, and I can't find any settings to control this in gdm3 (unlike in gdm2) |
| 03:53.32 | moldovean | Wyzard, it start on which vt? |
| 03:54.10 | Wyzard | It starts on vt7, but I've changed inittab to run gettys on vt7 and vt8, so X should run on vt9 |
| 03:54.28 | Wyzard | If I restart gdm3 it *does* run on vt9, but the first time it starts after booting, it always starts on vt7 |
| 03:54.49 | Wyzard | which triggers a bug that pegs the CPU until I restart it to put it on vt9 |
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| 03:55.28 | Carp | test |
| 03:55.30 | moldovean | Wyzard, anyways vt7 is default for X |
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| 03:56.11 | Wyzard | X is supposed to automatically use the first vt that isn't alreaty taken by something else |
| 03:56.14 | moldovean | so you seems wrong changed that |
| 03:56.28 | Wyzard | which is typically vt7 because distros enable only six gettys |
| 03:57.39 | Wyzard | I know vt7 is the default, but for something to be a "default" implies that it can be changed -- Xorg is not hard-coded to run on vt7 |
| 03:57.43 | moldovean | Wyzard, so use yours getty on > vt9 |
| 03:58.26 | moldovean | at list i'll do so |
| 03:58.27 | Wyzard | and this worked fine with gdm 2.x -- I added gettys on vt8 and vt9 in inittab, and configured gdm to run X on vt9, and there were no problems |
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| 04:00.23 | Wyzard | but gdm3 doesn't seem to have any such settings that I can find |
| 04:00.28 | moldovean | but nice testing gdm3 , file a bug report if needed |
| 04:00.57 | Wyzard | Yeah, I may need to do that |
| 04:01.00 | moldovean | "wishlist" os so |
| 04:01.11 | moldovean | or* so |
| 04:01.47 | Wyzard | How's it "wishlist" that it wrongly starts X on a VT where a getty is already running, instead of choosing the first available unused VT like it's supposed to? |
| 04:02.30 | moldovean | i said " or* so" hehe |
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| 04:04.46 | freezer | hi |
| 04:05.06 | freezer | can i force xorg/radeon to 1680x1050 resolution? xrandr only lists 1600x1200 and some lower ones |
| 04:05.07 | moldovean | freezer, don't ask again |
| 04:05.11 | freezer | :p |
| 04:05.28 | freezer | moldovean, here are like x3 people |
| 04:05.48 | moldovean | 932 only |
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| 04:17.19 | kre10s | so... grrrr. |
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| 04:22.06 | kre10s | nothing i do makes any change |
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| 04:39.34 | karlpinc | Out of curiosity, is there an automated way to tell when a release is no longer supported? I'm thinking about a way to, say, script something that generates a notice when there's no longer security updates. Perhaps presence on archive.debian.org? |
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| 04:40.35 | cast | could check when its codename is no longer associated with 'stable' or 'old-stable' |
| 04:41.16 | karlpinc | cast: That sounds better than anything I've come up with. Where is that association kept? |
| 04:42.35 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.54 | moldovean | even now etch is still old-stable , but no more supported |
| 04:44.04 | karlpinc | moldovean: Ok, but it'd also be nice to know when the clock is ticking and it's become old-stable. (And anyway I'm curious.) |
| 04:44.05 | cast | ahh. |
| 04:44.36 | moldovean | !etch |
| 04:44.36 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 04:44.42 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:46.17 | karlpinc | moldovean: One wonders if it got to archive.debian.org on 2010-02-15, or sometime closer to 2010-06-20. |
| 04:46.54 | moldovean | karlpinc, so security support end tell when a release in no more supported |
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| 04:47.03 | karlpinc | moldovean: The etch dists dir is timestamped 20-Jun-2010 20:23 on archive.debian.org. |
| 04:47.25 | simonrvn | so? it's no longer supported. |
| 04:47.28 | simonrvn | period. |
| 04:47.38 | karlpinc | moldovean: Right, but how is a program to tell? |
| 04:48.09 | moldovean | karlpinc, it a decision , not a program |
| 04:48.13 | karlpinc | simonrvn: I'm interested in being able to automate an alert of some sort. |
| 04:48.16 | moldovean | its* |
| 04:48.54 | simonrvn | why? people should be keeping track of it. |
| 04:49.01 | cast | when aptitude tries to grab updates from security.debian.org, does it error presumably? |
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| 04:49.04 | karlpinc | moldovean: Sure, but that decision gets recorded somewhere, or might. (Screen scraping the debian-announce mailing list would be ugly. ;-) |
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| 04:49.35 | karlpinc | simonrvn: I'm thinking embedded-ish stuff, where nobody's really looking after the box. |
| 04:49.50 | moldovean | http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 04:50.21 | karlpinc | moldovean: Ah, so I'll just write my program to look at that url then. O;-) |
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| 04:51.09 | moldovean | karlpinc, yes , but in future ... 2013 for lenny ;-) |
| 04:51.29 | karlpinc | simonrvn: Anyhow, this hot minute there is no real-world "why". I'm just exploring so feel free to ignore me. |
| 04:51.45 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 04:53.02 | karlpinc | cast: That sounds kinda ugly too. |
| 04:53.34 | cast | karlpinc: you could write a bot that connects to irc and asks in #debian if there are still security updates for $X every 3 months |
| 04:53.50 | cast | just don't deploy 100k of them :( |
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| 04:57.12 | karlpinc | So where _does_ the association between testing/stable and the codenames live? |
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| 05:00.15 | neoice | what might it mean if `Xorg -configure` segfaults but I can `startx` and run just fine. |
| 05:00.46 | moldovean | karlpinc, ask debian ftp masters , on some mailing list |
| 05:02.56 | moldovean | karlpinc, testing/stable are codenames , etch, lenny , sque.. are suite |
| 05:02.57 | karlpinc | moldovean: It's probably just in the directory structure under dist of the mirrors. |
| 05:03.12 | karlpinc | moldovean: (with softlinks) |
| 05:03.44 | moldovean | that's why i said ftp masters .. |
| 05:05.01 | karlpinc | moldovean: Don't need them when the script can just look at the softlinks on the mirrors. But, you need to know the release name, not just the number. But all that's in /etc/debian_version is the number. :-/ |
| 05:05.37 | craigevil | neoice: remove xserver-xorg-video-vmware, its a known bug |
| 05:05.55 | karlpinc | So the question turns into finding the mapping between the names and the numbers. |
| 05:06.08 | moldovean | karlpinc, try cat /etc/issue |
| 05:06.14 | simonrvn | karlpinc: a symlink |
| 05:06.45 | simonrvn | more to it than that of course |
| 05:06.49 | neoice | craigevil: yeah, that fixed part of it. the other part is issues with my kernel/module setup. stupid unsupported hardware. |
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| 05:08.20 | karlpinc | moldovean: My /etc/issue does not have lenny anywhere in it, just the number again. |
| 05:08.42 | moldovean | yeah, my bad |
| 05:09.17 | moldovean | karlpinc, but /etc/apt/sources.list , has ;) |
| 05:09.59 | karlpinc | moldovean: Interesting point. I think that does it. |
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| 05:11.28 | karlpinc | (At least so far as knowing when you turn into old-stable; and as far as I want to take this now. |
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| 05:13.04 | moldovean | !olstable |
| 05:13.14 | moldovean | !oldstable |
| 05:13.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
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| 05:49.43 | dutchfish | anyone can pinpoint me to info on this? apprently this one has also been tagged "fixed upstream" however i see no patches immenent. #586672 - [libqt4-ruby1.8] smoke marshallisation broken (-> 4:4.4.4-2) <unfixed>) |
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| 05:58.42 | dutchfish | neither is there a 4.4.5 branch so far inside the repos, yet |
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| 06:06.59 | Piratero | Using bash as my default shell, xterm as my terminal. For some reason, every time I try to use man, I get the following message from less(1): "Manual page ls(1) line 1 (END)" |
| 06:07.02 | Piratero | Anyone know why? |
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| 06:07.14 | Piratero | I don't have a way to debug this. |
| 06:07.31 | jmad980 | tried any other man pages? |
| 06:08.20 | Piratero | I've tried random and it seems to randomly work. |
| 06:08.27 | jmad980 | lol |
| 06:08.33 | jmad980 | go figure :) |
| 06:08.59 | Piratero | Haha |
| 06:09.04 | dutchfish | Piratero: what debian version or bash version? |
| 06:09.35 | Piratero | 5.0.5 Lenny and Bash: 3.2.39(1)-release. |
| 06:10.28 | dutchfish | Piratero: lenny has 3.2-4 so reinstall bash |
| 06:10.42 | Piratero | OK. |
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| 06:12.28 | dutchfish | Piratero: also check if your corresponding ~/.bashrc isnt hosed up, if neccesary recreate it |
| 06:12.40 | Piratero | Ah, true... |
| 06:14.34 | dutchfish | wonders where Piratero has got his bash from ... |
| 06:14.43 | Piratero | ? |
| 06:14.47 | Piratero | What do you mean? |
| 06:15.17 | dutchfish | Piratero: where did you get that version? |
| 06:15.26 | Piratero | ...from upgrade. |
| 06:15.33 | dutchfish | impossible |
| 06:15.35 | Piratero | I don't install DEB files manually. |
| 06:15.40 | jmad980 | could he have a out of date server, or does debian not suffer from those types of things |
| 06:15.47 | xxtjaxx | smells 3rd party repos |
| 06:15.56 | dutchfish | xxtjaxx: ;) |
| 06:16.01 | jmad980 | :p |
| 06:16.21 | Piratero | Only third party ones I have is from Google and http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 06:16.27 | xxtjaxx | Piratero: what mirrors do you use or do you have 3rd party repos added to your sources.list? |
| 06:16.38 | dutchfish | Piratero: and they dont provide bash |
| 06:16.48 | jmad980 | I wouldn't see why |
| 06:16.50 | Piratero | Yeah. |
| 06:16.55 | xxtjaxx | dutchfish: they better dont |
| 06:16.57 | Piratero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:19.18 | dutchfish | strongly advises to run rkhunter and check for rootkits if that box is exposed to the net |
| 06:20.10 | jmad980 | trows up a big OH NOES!!!! |
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| 06:20.49 | Piratero | dutchfish: Eh? |
| 06:21.16 | dutchfish | Piratero: unless you can figure out how that bash version got into your system |
| 06:21.20 | jmad980 | he means you may be up a certain creak |
| 06:21.42 | Piratero | I see... |
| 06:21.57 | craigevil | ,versions bash |
| 06:21.58 | judd | bash -- etch: 3.1dfsg-8; lenny: 3.2-4; sid: 4.1-3; squeeze: 4.1-3 |
| 06:22.35 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.51 | jmad980 | 0.o |
| 06:22.55 | moldovean | where -release is lenny ? |
| 06:23.02 | dutchfish | yep |
| 06:23.07 | moldovean | heh |
| 06:23.13 | dutchfish | exactly |
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| 06:23.49 | Piratero | I don't see how I can get a rootkit. |
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| 06:23.59 | jmad980 | its possible |
| 06:24.49 | Piratero | Through what? |
| 06:24.50 | dutchfish | !rootkit |
| 06:24.50 | dpkg | hmm... rootkit is a set of tools that replace the standard Unix utilities like ls and ps in order to hide certain files and processes from the admin. It is a good thing to have a copy of these tools on disk, but that only helps against the weaker rootkits (that don't modify the kernel in place). See also <chkrootkit>, <rkhunter>. |
| 06:24.51 | jmad980 | dutchfish: so your bash --version doesn't match his |
| 06:25.00 | simonrvn | creek* |
| 06:25.05 | jmad980 | :p |
| 06:25.06 | jmad980 | lol |
| 06:25.20 | jmad980 | I wasn't going to bother fixing it |
| 06:25.44 | craigevil | the problem is there was never a Bash: 3.2.39(1)-release in debian, so where did it come from is the question |
| 06:25.53 | jmad980 | 0.o |
| 06:26.27 | craigevil | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/bash/bash_4.1-3/changelog |
| 06:26.39 | jmad980 | just thought he got it from bash --version haven't run that old of bash |
| 06:26.55 | jmad980 | recently at least |
| 06:27.16 | Piratero | Shit. |
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| 06:27.34 | jmad980 | indeed |
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| 06:28.54 | simonrvn | GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu) # squeeze box |
| 06:30.42 | homie | which package is the perl Regex/Trie.pm located in ? |
| 06:31.05 | simonrvn | !search |
| 06:31.05 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 06:31.32 | Piratero | dutchfish: Do I just run unhide? |
| 06:31.36 | homie | i did, i just can't find it |
| 06:31.48 | homie | all regex related stuff for perl is installed though |
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| 06:32.22 | dutchfish | Piratero: if you are referring to rkhnter, no, just run rukhunter --update, then just rkunter |
| 06:32.29 | Piratero | OK. |
| 06:32.33 | dutchfish | sorry for my typos |
| 06:32.40 | dutchfish | rkhunter* |
| 06:32.49 | simonrvn | homie: looks like it's not packaged. not finding it in apt-file. |
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| 06:33.21 | simonrvn | !dh-make-perl |
| 06:33.21 | dpkg | it has been said that dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
| 06:33.27 | simonrvn | homie: ^^ |
| 06:33.36 | Piratero | Hm... rkhunter -c |
| 06:33.44 | Piratero | Should be enough. |
| 06:35.16 | moldovean | , version bash |
| 06:35.26 | moldovean | , versions bash |
| 06:35.27 | judd | bash -- etch: 3.1dfsg-8; lenny: 3.2-4; sid: 4.1-3; squeeze: 4.1-3 |
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| 06:36.15 | moldovean | GNU bash, version 3.2.39(1)-release , here too , but not doing last updates |
| 06:36.49 | dutchfish | moldovean: what is your dpkg -l | grep bash |
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| 06:37.06 | moldovean | ii bash 3.2-4 |
| 06:37.21 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 06:37.39 | Piratero | Weird, huh? |
| 06:37.41 | dutchfish | i cant check it out myself because i am on squeeze |
| 06:37.45 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.52 | Piratero | Same here. |
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| 06:38.17 | moldovean | Piratero, and dpkg -l | grep bash ? |
| 06:38.24 | dutchfish | Piratero: what is your output from: dpkg -l | grep bash |
| 06:38.31 | Piratero | I have the same as moldovean. |
| 06:38.43 | dutchfish | 3.2-4? |
| 06:38.48 | Piratero | Yes. |
| 06:38.52 | dutchfish | ok |
| 06:39.08 | Piratero | I just ran rkhunter and there are 2 suspicious files and 3 suspicious apps. |
| 06:39.13 | Piratero | None of them are Bash. |
| 06:39.21 | dutchfish | Piratero: can you pastebin that info? |
| 06:39.32 | Piratero | Erm, I closed the terminal. Give me a sec. |
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| 06:42.46 | simonrvn | dpkg -l bash accomplishes almost the same thing as w/ the grep, fyi |
| 06:42.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching bash accomplishes almost the same thing as w/ the grep, fyi |
| 06:42.54 | simonrvn | dpkg: shush |
| 06:42.54 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 06:43.09 | dutchfish | Piratero: note: if anyone in the future ask you the version of a debian package, dpkg -l | grep [foo] is the one we need, the reported version of the executable might be different, hence the confusion |
| 06:43.22 | Piratero | I see. |
| 06:43.30 | Piratero | Maybe Debian likes to round up? :-) |
| 06:44.18 | dutchfish | Piratero: the may be more debian version of a single upstream version, like bug fixis, and dfsg |
| 06:44.44 | Piratero | Could be. |
| 06:44.46 | dutchfish | s/the/there |
| 06:45.05 | dutchfish | i admit this can be confusing at times |
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| 06:45.33 | dutchfish | further, you problem might be related to ~/.bashrc after all |
| 06:46.04 | dutchfish | but knowing how to use rkhunter, isnt bad ;) |
| 06:46.32 | dutchfish | safety first |
| 06:47.04 | Piratero | http://codepad.org/bfWyGmdh |
| 06:47.19 | Piratero | Let me paste my .bashrc |
| 06:47.53 | Piratero | http://codepad.org/DWv2AZPw |
| 06:47.55 | nsadmin | why should the true version not be useful? |
| 06:48.38 | dutchfish | Piratero: the warnings probably asume another version, just check them all out as you did with dpk-l | grep [foo] and compare the with aptitude show [foo], after running aptitude update |
| 06:48.46 | nsadmin | I say that if the version of the executable does not exactly match the version of the debian package, that is a reportable bug |
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| 06:49.35 | dutchfish | nsadmin: true, but if you want to be confused, check that out with powertop on debian/squeeze ;) |
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| 06:50.12 | craigevil | Piratero: rkhunter will show those type of warning if upstream has a version that doesn't match what you have installed |
| 06:50.15 | nsadmin | just the opposite, I'd like things to be the least confusing possible |
| 06:50.17 | dutchfish | nsadmin: note: there are 4 different versions inside powertop atm in squeeze, cheers |
| 06:50.23 | Piratero | OK. |
| 06:50.26 | jmad980 | XD |
| 06:51.31 | dutchfish | nsadmin: but you are right, wrong reported versions are bugs |
| 06:52.40 | nsadmin | just thought of another reason why debian would do it wrong... what if a package had two executables each reporting different versions |
| 06:53.17 | breedx | so my last sid update broke synaptics config on my netbook, and I'm confused about where the right place to configure it is.... |
| 06:53.44 | breedx | I read somewhere that /etc/X11/xorg.conf is no longer the right place for synaptics options, that they should go in /etc/hal/fdi/policy |
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| 06:53.50 | dutchfish | nsadmin: mmm... very good point |
| 06:54.19 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 06:54.28 | nsadmin | breedx, you're absolutely welcome to run sid... it's probably very exciting sometimes being the first person to encounter a problem... |
| 06:54.40 | Lice | Good morning, how do I perfom low level format for a USB flash drive? |
| 06:54.41 | jmad980 | :p |
| 06:54.43 | breedx | which I have, but there's also apparently /etc/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules or similar....so which is the "right" place to configure? |
| 06:55.32 | breedx | nsadmin: hah! yup. just looking for some advice (I've been running sid for 5+ years btw) |
| 06:55.36 | jmad980 | Testing or bust :p |
| 06:55.37 | homie | yow |
| 06:55.38 | jmad980 | :) |
| 06:55.38 | nsadmin | I only speak for my self, but I will note that I have observed helpers who will refuse to support sid in any way, claiming that if you run sid, you're claiming you understand enough to solve your own problems |
| 06:55.45 | homie | found the solution |
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| 06:56.48 | jmad980 | nsadmin: well thats the idea anyways |
| 06:57.06 | jmad980 | theres a few distros that are actually designed to be bleeding edge |
| 06:57.21 | dutchfish | nsadmin: i am mor emoderate on that one, i run testing myself, if i run into trouble i ask, when no answer is there already i figure it out myself. |
| 06:57.22 | MeglaW | like squeeze hehe |
| 06:57.40 | jmad980 | :p |
| 06:57.43 | jmad980 | lol |
| 06:58.07 | dutchfish | but: on production systems i run only stable |
| 06:58.10 | jmad980 | not quite bleeding, but more up to date than rustyedge |
| 06:58.16 | breedx | nsadmin: yeah, I'm not asking to have my problem solved per se, I was just hoping to know where the configuration for synaptics belongs in sid in 2010. |
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| 06:59.03 | dutchfish | breedx: rtfm udev >151 |
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| 07:00.06 | dutchfish | breedx: tip, its more broken at times then ready for consumption |
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| 07:01.05 | dutchfish | breedx: also alot of bug fixes have been done in 2.6.35-rc4 to match the very latest udev |
| 07:01.25 | dutchfish | breedx: have fun |
| 07:03.51 | craigevil | breedx: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50061 |
| 07:04.24 | breedx | dutchfish: that's cool. I'm probably due for a kernel upgrade on this thing anyway. Do you have a pointer to the udev + synaptics docs you were suggesting? |
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| 07:05.33 | dutchfish | breedx: 2.6.34-2 from expirimental should be the safest way, if you can handle that |
| 07:05.50 | breedx | dutchfish: I usually roll mine from src |
| 07:06.20 | dutchfish | breedx: delve into debian kernel handbook about latest changes >2.6.32-5 |
| 07:07.21 | dutchfish | breedx: make-kpkg will leave you with 43 unresolvables at those newer kernels, cheers |
| 07:07.24 | breedx | dutchfish: I will search for it, seeing as how I'm on 2.6.32-2 :) |
| 07:07.55 | breedx | craigevil: thanks, that *totally* helps |
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| 07:15.19 | neoice | I can use nrpe to check on another NRPE server right? |
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| 07:18.00 | dutchfish | neoice: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/nrpe/NRPE.pdf |
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| 07:19.54 | rubin110 | Is there any way to mimic the functionality of symlinks without using symlinks? Netatalk apparently doesn't like them anymore. :( |
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| 07:20.07 | AimHere | hard links? |
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| 07:20.17 | dutchfish | rubin110: or write your own wrapper |
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| 07:20.58 | rubin110 | AimHere: I can't use hard links because the things I want to link to exist on different volumes. |
| 07:21.37 | Bushmills | i think with recent mount you can also mount --bind files |
| 07:21.39 | rubin110 | dutchfish: Sure, but if there's already a solution out there I'd like to learn about it first. :) |
| 07:21.47 | rubin110 | I see. |
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| 07:22.11 | dutchfish | rubin110: wrapper, and debians diversions |
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| 07:30.40 | rubin110 | Maybe the right solution is to say fuck AFP and use NFS with my mac. |
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| 07:32.08 | NotInternat | rubin110: i used samba. |
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| 07:33.02 | rubin110 | NotInternat: In my past experience samba is slow (compared to NFS and AFP) and has issues with larger files and unicode. |
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| 07:34.31 | NotInternat | interesting.. i havnt seen that. that said i havnt really done any comparisons either |
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| 07:35.12 | [mik] | hi all |
| 07:35.22 | dutchfish | rubin110: i recently tested again all 3 latest versions, nfs4 (if tuned well is the most robust and not the slowest), if you need even better go iscsi |
| 07:35.24 | rubin110 | NotInternat: I think SSHFS through MacFUSE was actually faster then samba. |
| 07:35.54 | rubin110 | iscsi? |
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| 07:36.10 | dutchfish | as backend, if that is your goal |
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| 07:37.37 | dutchfish | ceph is something maybe for the future |
| 07:43.28 | dutchfish | http://ceph.newdream.net/about/ |
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| 07:50.50 | reber | hi. How to know wich sound software is started with kde in debian, that access to the sound card, and blocks then jackd (jackd can't start) ? |
| 07:51.23 | cahoot | reber: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 07:52.36 | reber | cahoot, done, it's knotify and kmix. How to disable them and block them at kde startup ? |
| 07:52.53 | cahoot | no idea |
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| 07:53.16 | reber | okay thanks tho, searching. |
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| 07:58.01 | rubin110 | dutchfish: So got any tips to make NFS as speedy as possible? |
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| 08:05.07 | dutchfish | rubin110: more or less the standard stuff, diskstriping, raid setup, directory-depth analysis, and i use lvm2 on the backend for smart snapshotting (backups) |
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| 08:05.45 | dutchfish | rubin110: bounding mor enics |
| 08:05.50 | dutchfish | rubin110: bounding more nics |
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| 08:06.04 | dutchfish | rubin110: at the nfs server that is |
| 08:06.13 | dutchfish | rubin110: it depends alot on your needs |
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| 08:06.38 | rubin110 | My needs are to get fast throughput between my debian box and a mac. |
| 08:06.42 | dutchfish | rubin110: but i like the flexability of that setup |
| 08:06.43 | rubin110 | That's pretty much it. |
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| 08:06.54 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:07.10 | dutchfish | for file sharing? or just copying, ie backup stuff? |
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| 08:08.35 | dutchfish | fyi, on nfs4 i never had the file system being the bottleneck with snowleopard being the client, it was always the disk/raid |
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| 08:09.53 | dutchfish | unless you have a very fast raid, the network cards at 1gbit and a good switch never where the bottleneck |
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| 08:10.03 | pozic | How do I allow mounting a partition by anyone on a certain directory? http://paste.debian.net/80146/ |
| 08:10.29 | rubin110 | dutchfish: Ah. |
| 08:10.42 | fxiny | good news : lenny PII 400 bpo kernel 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 runnning no porbs . chanches are i can run 5 debian releases on a '98 machine , 6 if i was ready for installing potato . |
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| 08:10.46 | pozic | (In Gnome you can click on Places and then on a volume, and I want that to work) |
| 08:11.42 | fxiny | and 3 direct upgrades : sarge2etch etch2lenny , next lenny2squeeze , i see no orange cephalic hair on my horizion :P |
| 08:12.34 | Bushmills | pozic: user flag in fstab line |
| 08:13.08 | dutchfish | rubin110: use iperf to check netspeeds and if they sustain, and look if tweaking the switch for jumbo frames improve performance, this might be specially true for samba |
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| 08:14.21 | dutchfish | rubin110: but i did all that and came to the conclusion (3 months ago) that nfs4 is superior for what you want |
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| 08:16.39 | fxiny | the only thing is i can't stand flags and UUID |
| 08:17.24 | dutchfish | fxiny: get used to it ;) |
| 08:19.16 | fxiny | dutchfish: there was another b* like that i'm trying to remember , a long /hd/1/2/3 alike , it disappeared ... |
| 08:20.04 | dutchfish | fxiny: a devmapper path? like lvm2 does? |
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| 08:20.40 | fxiny | dutchfish: no , that is ok |
| 08:21.11 | dutchfish | ok, guys, need to run |
| 08:21.17 | dutchfish | have fun |
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| 08:24.19 | no-name- | hell |
| 08:24.21 | no-name- | o |
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| 08:24.27 | no-name- | i have tried ubuntu and want to try debian |
| 08:24.37 | no-name- | who would like to tell me why debian is better than ubuntu? |
| 08:24.41 | no-name- | <--- curious |
| 08:25.00 | craigevil | !why debian |
| 08:25.00 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 08:25.01 | cahoot | !tell no-name- about why debian |
| 08:25.41 | no-name- | ty |
| 08:25.45 | no-name- | :P |
| 08:25.55 | cahoot | no-name-: make it clear for yourself why you want to change |
| 08:26.17 | no-name- | not sure if i do yet |
| 08:26.24 | no-name- | i am using ubuntu |
| 08:26.33 | cahoot | no-name-: make it clear for yourself what you want to achieve |
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| 08:26.58 | fxiny | first of all : i am asked for a pass in my luks to mount some UUID=@à$&!£ , is supposed to be a root , how can i remember which partition is such a string ? i have many partitrions .shall i use a flag ? yes ? can i use a flag like /dev/hda1 ? tell me yes and i'll die NOW :))) |
| 08:27.30 | fxiny | i'll certainly use hda1 hda2 , not even sda1 ... |
| 08:27.42 | fxiny | so is all a b* |
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| 08:31.14 | fxiny | or , in other words , the best answer in case one is confused by the new naming scheme is to use hda1 hda2 and so on as flags |
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| 08:36.29 | w3stdream | hi |
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| 08:37.41 | E-bola | If i have a full file by file backup of an old debian lenny system, is there anyway i can get a list of installed packages? Like are they listed in some text file somewhere? |
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| 08:43.47 | fxiny | E-bola: easy done , see /var/lib/dpkg and /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:44.38 | fxiny | grep that file |
| 08:45.02 | craigevil | E-bola: dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile |
| 08:45.14 | fxiny | craigevil: he has a backup |
| 08:45.57 | xyan | chroot into it ;) |
| 08:46.11 | fxiny | xyan: good one |
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| 08:57.02 | pozic | Bushmills: by user, do you mean users? Or do you mean user? |
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| 08:59.24 | Bushmills | pozic: i don't know of any "users" flag for fstab, only of a "user" flag |
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| 09:00.23 | cahoot | there's a users too |
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| 09:01.43 | Bushmills | possibly file system specific |
| 09:02.15 | Bushmills | fstab man page only mentions "user" |
| 09:02.32 | sauvin | It's filesystem-specific. |
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| 09:05.58 | bars0 | Hello everyone! I've just installed Debian lenny on my PC and I have problem with my DWA-510 D-Link wi-fi card. The transfer rate is a little bit slow ~100KB/s and my ISP provide ~450KB/s. I'm using rt61pci driver and wicd network manager. Does anyone had the same problem? Where I should go for help? |
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| 09:49.03 | Bushmills | Zoup_: visual check doesn't require restarting |
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| 10:01.01 | raboof | my ssh sessions keep freezing from one pc, but not from another |
| 10:01.18 | raboof | i'm using wireless, and it's not a timeout issue (sometimes happens mid-sentence) |
| 10:01.23 | raboof | any idea on how to debug this? |
| 10:01.40 | Zoup_ | Bushmills: have you ever tried to visual check bridge+ucarp configuration? :)) |
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| 10:03.24 | karme | raboof: take a traffic dump (ideally on both sides) - but more likely it is a driver issue? only ssh hangs or the complete wireless connection? |
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| 10:04.12 | raboof | karme: i'm not sure if the entire connection hangs - if it does, it automatically reconnects, at least |
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| 10:04.37 | raboof | i have wpa_supplicant and wicd running, their respective logs don't show anything |
| 10:04.45 | karme | raboof: ping works? |
| 10:05.42 | raboof | karme: yes - but good idea, i'll leave ping running and see if it loses packets when my ssh session stalls |
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| 10:08.06 | raboof | karme: it happened again, 0% packet loss in ping |
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| 10:11.21 | karme | raboof: and other tcp connections work? |
| 10:12.20 | karme | raboof: is the wireless a ralink? |
| 10:12.47 | raboof | karme: i'll try a big download - no, it's a ipw2200 |
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| 10:13.22 | karme | raboof: also try ssh -vvv |
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| 10:14.06 | rozie | raboof: check syslog for bugs with network card |
| 10:14.19 | d3x | was about to suggest dmesg/syslog |
| 10:14.52 | raboof | nothing in dmesg |
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| 10:15.36 | rozie | errors will be visible rather in syslog |
| 10:15.39 | rozie | has this card |
| 10:16.08 | nsadmin | discard? |
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| 10:19.07 | rozie | can you check wavemon, what about noise? and do you run your router on default settings? |
| 10:19.54 | rozie | check beacon time on wifi router - I remember this card had problems with longer beacon time |
| 10:19.59 | rozie | on 100 ms runs fine |
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| 10:20.50 | raboof | http://pastebin.com/W4AhQaRY - looks like it's something related to dhcp |
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| 10:23.22 | rozie | raboof: can you set up longer lease time? |
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| 10:24.21 | p0g0 | raboof: I think the dhcp client is renegotiating because the card lost association- does it help to move the offending pc closer to the AP? |
| 10:25.00 | raboof | rozie: i guess - doesn't seem to be neccessary for my other pc though, which is also getting its ip though dhcp |
| 10:25.24 | raboof | p0g0: if it's lost association that should show ip in wpa_supplicant logs at least shouldn't it? |
| 10:25.57 | p0g0 | raboof: yes, there should be a whole handshake sequence. |
| 10:26.22 | p0g0 | raboof: if you have the log verbosity set high enough. |
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| 10:28.05 | raboof | ok so my ip switches from .88 to .83 and back |
| 10:28.32 | raboof | dhclient3 is running and /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.leases shows only .88 leases |
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| 10:29.47 | raboof | but there's also a dhclient running with configfile /var/lib/wicd/dhclient.conf |
| 10:29.56 | raboof | perhaps those 2 are interfering with each other? |
| 10:29.56 | p0g0 | raboof: wouldn't that be the current lease- are you logging the leases? |
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| 10:30.47 | raboof | p0g0: there's 6 of them - 5 from today and 1 from a long time ago |
| 10:31.35 | mte_ | hi.. I have trouble connecting to a pptp server. I've tried to debug using guidelines on pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian but something else seems to be wrong.. could anyone look into this log http://pastebin.ca/1897789 and maybe tell me what I could try? |
| 10:31.46 | p0g0 | raboof: I'd guess that which ever first responded to the dhcp client's request gets to offer the lease. So this problem just started? Has your RF environment changed (new radio sources?). |
| 10:32.05 | nsadmin | how do you pronounce pptp? |
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| 10:33.33 | sweetpi | exactly like a 12 year old |
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| 10:33.50 | raboof | kills dhclient3 - doesn't seem to be coming back |
| 10:33.58 | p0g0 | raboof: have you tried swapping the cards between the two machines to see if the trouble follows the card? Or tried swapping antennas. Or moving the pc|AP? |
| 10:35.33 | raboof | p0g0: it's an onboard card, so i haven't swapped cards - the same problem occurs when i'm working on it downstairs, so moving the pc doesn't help |
| 10:36.39 | raboof | ok, having killed dhclient3 it's been on .83 all the time - so far so good |
| 10:38.26 | sweetpi | mte_: install iproute |
| 10:39.34 | nsadmin | mte_, I guess I'm curious enough... I'm going to try building it |
| 10:39.37 | mte_ | sweetpi: thanks! that worked |
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| 10:41.13 | nsadmin | hmm, if I don't have a tunnel I wouldn't be able to use this pptpclient thing |
| 10:41.21 | sweetpi | np |
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| 10:45.26 | ikonia | last soulpro |
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| 10:53.50 | wrksx | hi, I just installed apache2 and logs are located in /lar/logs/apache2 but this directory is own by the group adm.. What's the use for this group ? can I add my user to it ? |
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| 10:55.48 | chlin | my pidgin keeps getting 'ssl supported is needed for msn.' i've installed libnss3 and libnspr4. what else i need to install? |
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| 10:58.58 | fxiny | chlin: lenny ? |
| 10:59.27 | chlin | sorry. i use unstable. |
| 11:00.17 | fxiny | right , i was thinking lenny-bpo cause msn and yahoo keep on changing , no idea about sid |
| 11:00.26 | xyan | chlin: check the account prefs if use http method is checked, uncheck that option and try again |
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| 11:02.25 | chlin | the http method checkbox is not on. and after restarted with http method `not checked', my msn still can not connect to the server |
| 11:02.45 | xyan | hrm worked for me though |
| 11:02.51 | chlin | will pidgin remember the setting after doing aptitude purge piding for instance? |
| 11:03.08 | xyan | yeah the prefs are stored in ~/.purple and will not be purged |
| 11:03.18 | chlin | i think maybe it is because last time i tried compiling manually with disable-ssl or something enabled. |
| 11:03.34 | chlin | ok. let me remove it and try it again. |
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| 11:05.32 | nsadmin | chlin, remember that microsoft is fighting against clients it didn't invent... |
| 11:05.33 | chlin | it still doesn't ok. |
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| 11:06.32 | wrksx | I added myself to the group adm but I can't acces log files ! |
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| 11:06.41 | doomster | Hi! |
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| 11:06.53 | theadmin | hi, how can we rename harddrives ? like, make it so that sd* hard drive with serial number 123... will be always /dev/sda |
| 11:07.03 | nsadmin | wrksx: does groups show you're in? |
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| 11:07.27 | wrksx | nsadmin, no ! |
| 11:07.45 | wrksx | I used this line: |
| 11:07.51 | wrksx | sudo gpasswd -a wrksx adm |
| 11:08.00 | wrksx | shall I restart sthing ? |
| 11:08.05 | nsadmin | so your login session does not see the group |
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| 11:08.17 | nsadmin | you could try logout and login |
| 11:08.34 | wrksx | ... |
| 11:08.35 | doomster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.41 | nsadmin | perhaps a new login session will see the group |
| 11:08.50 | wrksx | so I'll try this thanks ya |
| 11:09.25 | doomster | theadmin: if you reference partitions via their UID, you don't rely on the /dev/* assignments to not change, in case that helps. |
| 11:09.36 | theadmin | doomster: hmm... |
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| 11:10.13 | phet | Hi |
| 11:10.23 | phet | I have Debian Testing and an Ati 9600 |
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| 11:10.39 | babilen | ... another way would be to use "newgrp - the_new_group" followed by "newgrp - old_primary_group" IRC |
| 11:10.43 | nsadmin | i have a pony! |
| 11:10.44 | phet | when I type "glxgears" I get: glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:10.48 | phet | how can I fix this? |
| 11:10.52 | phet | to have 3d acceleration |
| 11:11.01 | wrksx | nsadmin, I came back to thank you again, it worked perfectly. |
| 11:11.05 | wrksx | =) |
| 11:11.12 | fxiny | chlin: pidgin version ? |
| 11:11.31 | Bushmills | phet, you install libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:11.32 | doomster | phet: apt-file search libGL.so.1, then install that package |
| 11:11.41 | nsadmin | wrksx: so because you added yourself to a group, and then logout/login, groups sees you're in the group? |
| 11:11.52 | phet | is it better for me to use the radeon driver? |
| 11:11.52 | Bushmills | alternatively, the libs which support your hardware |
| 11:11.56 | wrksx | nsadmin, yes |
| 11:12.03 | wrksx | nsadmin, is it weird ? |
| 11:12.11 | nsadmin | no, that's normal |
| 11:12.22 | doomster | phet: I would say so ... which one are you using instead? |
| 11:12.26 | phet | doomster, I dont have "apt-file" :/ |
| 11:12.38 | doomster | phet: apt-get install apt-file ;) |
| 11:12.48 | Bushmills | pheever heard that you can install stuff? |
| 11:12.53 | phet | doomster, these last days Im struggling with different drivers, I tried the propietary ones, with no luck |
| 11:12.54 | wrksx | debian f**kin rules !!! |
| 11:13.12 | nsadmin | well it woudl work the same way in any unix-alike |
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| 11:13.35 | nsadmin | linux, bsd, minix, etc |
| 11:13.46 | doomster | phet: I can't actually tell you if the xorg radeon driver is better than the proprietary one, as the latter isn't available for PPC anyway (I believe...) |
| 11:14.01 | rozie | phet: on open drivers should work pretty fine |
| 11:14.05 | theadmin | how to convert UUID to device like /dev/sda3 ? |
| 11:14.21 | nsadmin | wrksx: debian uses some form of the shadow passwd suite |
| 11:14.27 | wrksx | nsadmin, yes but would I feel comfortable here on debian ! |
| 11:14.28 | babilen | wrksx: You might want to take a look at "newgrp" - note that this changes your primary group though which you might want to reset after you've changed to the new one ... (essentially two calls to newgrp, first with the new group, second with the default primary group ... don't forget the '-') |
| 11:14.47 | phet | I installed the open drivers but then I could not play videos, well I could, but it was horrible, I hate the new xorg.org |
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| 11:15.20 | wrksx | babilen, thanks but i'm good for the moment. |
| 11:15.28 | Bushmills | phet, you don't need 3d support for watching movies |
| 11:15.47 | babilen | wrksx: sure :) |
| 11:15.50 | doomster | theadmin: findfs |
| 11:15.52 | phet | Bushmills, now I can watch movies, so Im going to the 3d |
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| 11:16.07 | phet | everytime I do a big update of the system my video drivers get screwed |
| 11:16.09 | theadmin | doomster: neato |
| 11:16.11 | babilen | wrksx: Just in case you face the same problem |
| 11:16.36 | Bushmills | phet: blame proprietary drivers (or software in general) |
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| 11:17.17 | rozie | phet: why you couldn't play videos/ |
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| 11:17.43 | rozie | and what software did you use to play them? |
| 11:17.47 | babilen | phet: did you install the firmware package? |
| 11:17.47 | phet | Bushmills, when i try to install "libgl1-mesa-glx" it does not install anything :/ |
| 11:18.29 | phet | rozie, I tried both mplayer and VLC, with VLC the videos were black and white and squeezed to the left part of the screen, also very low frame rate |
| 11:18.37 | babilen | phet: Is it installed already? |
| 11:18.46 | Bushmills | phet: you must be root to install things |
| 11:18.50 | babilen | ,versions libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:18.51 | phet | Im root |
| 11:18.51 | judd | libgl1-mesa-glx -- etch: 6.5.1-0.6; lenny: 7.0.3-7; sid: 7.7.1-3; squeeze: 7.7.1-3; experimental: 7.8.2-1 |
| 11:19.19 | Bushmills | phet: then i will stop guessing what might me the cause |
| 11:19.50 | phet | it is strange that it seems to be installed but its not working |
| 11:19.53 | babilen | phet: Is the package installed already? Which version of Debian are you tracking? |
| 11:19.59 | phet | testing |
| 11:20.13 | phet | how can I know if the package is installed? sorry for the noob question |
| 11:20.33 | Bushmills | dpkg -l |
| 11:20.33 | dpkg | Bushmills: are you using Windows? |
| 11:20.51 | babilen | phet: Ok, have you installed firmare-linux-nonfree? (This contains binary blobs of firmware you need with the free radeon driver) If the firmware is missing the performance is quite horrible :-\ |
| 11:20.52 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.57 | babilen | phet: also make sure that you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed |
| 11:22.12 | phet | babilen, it is installed (firmware-linux) |
| 11:22.45 | phet | for glx I have installed fglrx-glx and libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:22.53 | phet | I guess I should remove fglrx-glx |
| 11:22.56 | babilen | phet: Could you also paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please (in here ...) |
| 11:23.49 | babilen | phet: Oh, you have a mix of fglrx and radeon ... I would remove fglrx and configure your system to use the "radeon" driver .. It works here without a problem (but your card *might* be newer and not that well supported yet) |
| 11:23.51 | phet | debian:/home/joan# lspci -nn|grep -i vga |
| 11:23.51 | phet | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] [1002:4150] |
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| 11:24.04 | phet | My card is old |
| 11:24.07 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:4150 |
| 11:24.09 | judd | [1002:4150] is 'RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'radeonfb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4150 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 11:24.28 | babilen | phet: give me a second |
| 11:24.33 | phet | ok |
| 11:24.35 | phet | thank you |
| 11:25.34 | wrksx | apache can't create/see the file /var/log/apache2/customdir/error.log, should the user www-data be member of the adm group ? |
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| 11:28.18 | babilen | phet: It seems as if RV 350 is not supported by fglrx anymore ... the "radeon" driver should support it though. What is the output of "glxinfo | grep direct"? is direct rendering enabled? |
| 11:28.26 | wrksx | hey is there anyone using apache2 here ? do you think I should use chown www-data -R /var/log/apache2 in order for apache to be able to writes its logs ? |
| 11:28.43 | wrksx | or is it the wrong way ? |
| 11:28.44 | phet | babilen, glxinfo | grep direct |
| 11:28.44 | phet | glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 11:28.48 | phet | the same error |
| 11:28.52 | nsadmin | does /var/log/apache2/customdir exist |
| 11:29.57 | wrksx | nsadmin, yes |
| 11:30.04 | wrksx | I created it |
| 11:30.17 | wrksx | it is owned by root:adm |
| 11:30.22 | nsadmin | look at output of ls -ld /var/log/apache2/customdir |
| 11:30.41 | nsadmin | you will see userowner, groupowner, permissions |
| 11:31.01 | babilen | phet: Where is libGL.so.1 pointing to if you run "ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo" ? And you checked that libgl1-mesa-glx is indeed installed didn't you? |
| 11:31.49 | phet | babilen, libGL.so.1 => not found |
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| 11:32.21 | phet | babilen, I think that is installed |
| 11:32.31 | wrksx | nsadmin, I got another issue now groups doesn't show adm anymore. |
| 11:32.57 | babilen | phet: OK, and the output of "dpkg -l libgk-mesa-glx" ? What about "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" ? |
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| 11:33.21 | wrksx | nsadmin, o no it's ok |
| 11:33.47 | phet | babilen, debian:/home/joan# dpkg -l libgk-mesa-glx |
| 11:33.47 | phet | No se ha encontrado ningún paquete que corresponda con libgk-mesa-glx. |
| 11:34.10 | phet | debian:/home/joan# ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 11:34.10 | phet | ls: no se puede acceder a /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 11:34.11 | wrksx | drwxr-xr-x 2 root adm 4096 jui 10 13:22 /var/log/apache2/customdir |
| 11:34.13 | phet | it does not exist |
| 11:34.18 | wrksx | nsadmin, drwxr-xr-x 2 root adm 4096 jui 10 13:22 /var/log/apache2/customdir |
| 11:34.32 | xyan | phet: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:34.38 | babilen | phet: It is "dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-glx" |
| 11:34.53 | nsadmin | so root is the only user that can write customdir |
| 11:35.01 | babilen | phet: note the 1 and the l (not k) |
| 11:35.23 | nsadmin | no group can write it, and no one else can |
| 11:35.30 | phet | debian:/home/joan# dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:35.30 | phet | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 11:35.30 | phet | | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 11:35.30 | phet | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 11:35.30 | phet | ||/ Nombre Versión Descripción |
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| 11:35.41 | phet | oops sorry |
| 11:35.56 | nsadmin | specifically adm is the groupowner, and write is turned off |
| 11:35.56 | xyan | just paste the last line |
| 11:36.00 | babilen | phet: http://paste.debian.net (or paste interesting lines) |
| 11:36.00 | doomster | just look at the output, if the line starts with "ii" it is installed |
| 11:36.06 | wrksx | nsadmin, that's why I wanted www-data to own the dir |
| 11:36.26 | nsadmin | you can do that pretty easily as root |
| 11:36.28 | phet | babilen, ii libgl1-mesa-glx 7.7.1-3 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- GLX runtime |
| 11:36.28 | wrksx | nsadmin, I want adm members to be able to read logs, but not to write =) |
| 11:36.34 | phet | I think that line is enough |
| 11:37.19 | babilen | phet: Well - Did you delete that file? You might want to reinstall that package and check that the library is in /usr/lib |
| 11:37.22 | wrksx | nsadmin, ok, I just wanted to be sure I was not doing some badbad things with permissions. I'chown it. |
| 11:37.30 | phet | babilen, which file? |
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| 11:37.31 | babilen | phet: also check the ldd output again |
| 11:37.44 | babilen | phet: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
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| 11:38.12 | nsadmin | so if www-data owns customdir and the permission bits remain the same, then www-data should be the only user allowed to write |
| 11:38.23 | babilen | phet: Just reinstall the package and run "ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo" and "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" |
| 11:38.28 | phet | babilen, how can I reinstall? |
| 11:38.40 | babilen | phet: "aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx" |
| 11:38.40 | phet | If I try to remove that package it wants to remove a lot of things |
| 11:38.59 | doomster | phet: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 11:39.05 | nsadmin | other than that... apache -might- enforce additional permission situations; all discussion up to this point ignored anything that is special about apache |
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| 11:39.57 | phet | babilen, reinstalled, still not there, maybe I have to restart? |
| 11:40.14 | doomster | phet: no, wouldn't help. |
| 11:40.40 | doomster | phet: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 glxinfo |
| 11:41.02 | phet | debian:/home/joan# LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 glxinfo |
| 11:41.03 | phet | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 11:41.03 | phet | glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 11:41.08 | babilen | doomster: (given that so.1.2) is there |
| 11:41.17 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 11:41.35 | doomster | true, babilen |
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| 11:42.34 | babilen | phet: The reinstall worked without problems? |
| 11:42.45 | phet | yes |
| 11:43.01 | doomster | why does it complain about "libGL.so.1" when preloading "libGL.so.1.2" ...? |
| 11:43.04 | wrksx | nsadmin, I don't understand your last statement, but even with www-data the owner of /var/log/apache2 |
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| 11:43.22 | babilen | doomster: because it is still looking for .1 even if preloaded with 1.2 |
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| 11:43.49 | doomster | ah, yes, one message from ld.so and the other from glxinfo |
| 11:43.58 | wrksx | nsadmin, apache can't write |
| 11:44.48 | wrksx | nsadmin, I'm gonna restart my computer |
| 11:45.28 | babilen | phet: Well - is purging and installing an option? |
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| 11:48.29 | EagleScreen | on a Debian system, how could I extract or browse a rpm package? |
| 11:48.45 | babilen | phet: I am back in a second ---- another thing you could try is to copy the libaries manually ... Run "dget libgl1-mesa-glx" to retrieve the package, "dpkg -x libgl1-mesa-glx_7.7.1-3_amd64.deb ." to unpack it to the current working directory (adapt the filename if it differs), copy the library (i.e. libGL.so.1.2) to the correct place (cp usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/), set the symlink and adapt the permission and owners .... |
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| 11:49.45 | doomster | EagleScreen: apt-cache search rpm |
| 11:49.48 | babilen | phet: Couldn't hurt to run "dpkg -i libgl1-mesa-glx_7.7.1-3_amd64.deb" before that ... but I would start with purging and installing that package. you might also want to remove any trace of fglrx from your system ;) |
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| 11:54.14 | wrksx | nsadmin, I solved my issue, I wrote /var/logs instead of var/log in apache config... |
| 11:54.22 | wrksx | nsadmin, thanks for your help |
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| 11:56.52 | phet | babilen, if I purge, it is trying to remove lots of things, like mplayer, vlc,.... |
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| 11:58.54 | phet | babilen, if I remove libgl1-mesa-glx It wants to remove xorg too |
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| 12:08.59 | babilen | phet: Huh? Could you paste the output of "aptitude purge libgl1-mesa-glx" to a pastebin please? |
| 12:10.06 | phet | http://pastebin.com/sDNRbQBS |
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| 12:13.09 | babilen | phet: Thanks - Does installing the package manually help? |
| 12:13.19 | ymas | Hello (I hope this question doesn't ruin your weekend). I tried installing mariadb on debian using the OurDelta repository (provides an update to mysql-common). Is there anyway to revert back to the stock mysql-common that comes with debian? |
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| 12:13.46 | phet | babilen, I think I dont know to do that |
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| 12:14.49 | xyan | ymas: download the original deb and dpkg -i it |
| 12:15.01 | babilen | phet: "dget libgl1-mesa-glx" "dpkg -i libgl1-mesa-glx" (you might have to install devscripts first to get the "dget" utility) |
| 12:15.04 | xyan | ymas: man dpkg will tell you about --force options you might need |
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| 12:15.35 | ymas | xyan: thanks a lot :) |
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| 12:19.47 | ymas | xylan: that worked great without having to use --force. Thanks again! |
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| 12:21.27 | phet | babilen, im installing devscripts right now |
| 12:22.34 | fxiny | Bushmills: dpkg is configured --with achilles-heel support , super psychic powers ;) |
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| 12:23.29 | phet | babilen, installed |
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| 12:23.56 | phet | ldd not found |
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| 12:24.24 | fxiny | can't be |
| 12:25.54 | cristi8 | hi. i am writing a daemon to start at boot, using C language. root user is not needed for the daemon.. i heard smth about dropping priviledges? how do i do that? |
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| 12:26.53 | phet | babilen, it is the first time I have so many problems |
| 12:26.59 | ymas | actually my bad, you do need to use force. Apologies for my misleading statement above. |
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| 12:28.02 | babilen | phet: It is very unlikely that you don't have ldd anymore ... What is the output of "/usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo|grep libGL" ? |
| 12:28.22 | phet | debian:/home/joan# /usr/bin/ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo|grep libGL |
| 12:28.23 | phet | libGL.so.1 => not found |
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| 12:29.26 | bzed | phet: did you mess with the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com, probably installing them on top of the debian package? |
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| 12:29.34 | babilen | cristi8: start-stop-daemon --chuid IRC |
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| 12:31.22 | babilen | phet: And "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so*" ? â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:31.39 | cristi8 | babilen: i write that in rc.local, right? |
| 12:31.53 | phet | babilen, debian:/home/joan# ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so* |
| 12:31.53 | phet | ls: no se puede acceder a /usr/lib/libGL.so*: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 12:31.58 | phet | it doesnt exist |
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| 12:39.21 | babilen | phet: Please paste "dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx" and "apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx" to a pastebin |
| 12:39.50 | babilen | cristi8: for example |
| 12:40.04 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/42fQqMHi |
| 12:40.32 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/TycinALn |
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| 12:41.19 | babilen | cristi8: But I would rather create a real init script (read /etc/init.d/README) and enable it for the appropriate runlevels |
| 12:42.25 | babilen | phet: So you haven't removed anything fglrx related yet. Please do this prior to *anything* else ... in particular remove fglrx-driver |
| 12:42.41 | phet | I did it :/ |
| 12:42.50 | phet | but I read what I pasted to you |
| 12:42.54 | phet | so Im removing that now |
| 12:43.21 | phet | I cant remove "fglrx-glx" |
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| 12:43.33 | babilen | why not? |
| 12:43.41 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/FYA2E3xi |
| 12:44.11 | babilen | phet: well, have you deleted that manually? |
| 12:44.18 | phet | no |
| 12:44.21 | phet | not I know |
| 12:44.32 | babilen | phet: reinstall the fglrx-driver and fglrx-glx package and remove them afterwards |
| 12:44.54 | phet | remove or purge |
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| 12:46.48 | babilen | purge them :) |
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| 12:47.48 | phet | same error |
| 12:47.53 | phet | when trying to purge them |
| 12:47.55 | phet | after installing |
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| 12:48.18 | babilen | wonders what you have done prior to this ... |
| 12:48.19 | babilen | hang on |
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| 12:48.47 | phet | dpkg-divert: diferencia en el paquete |
| 12:48.47 | phet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.47 | phet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.46 | babilen | phet: What is the output of "dpkg-divert --list libGL.so" ? |
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| 12:51.17 | phet | babilen, nothing |
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| 12:52.13 | babilen | phet: Ok, did you *ever* use the driver from ATI? (as in: opposed to the one packaged by Debian) |
| 12:52.23 | babilen | phet: or rather: installer |
| 12:52.29 | phet | babilen, yes, several times |
| 12:52.35 | phet | this debian is installed like from 4 years ago |
| 12:53.30 | babilen | phet: great :-\ |
| 12:53.43 | babilen | phet: OK - What is the output of "dpkg-diver --list" ? |
| 12:53.51 | babilen | dpkg-divert that is |
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| 12:55.48 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/1LWSG35G |
| 12:56.27 | babilen | phet: And the output of "aptitude purge fglrx-driver" ? |
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| 12:57.11 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/WiNR8H9N because I removed it before |
| 12:57.22 | phet | I think that output from removing fglrx-glx is the important |
| 12:57.59 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/7vC6ecHQ |
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| 12:58.41 | syn4pse | apt-get remove fglrx-glx --purge not working? |
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| 12:59.47 | babilen | phet: Ok ... I begin to understand ... Somehow the diversion configured by fglrx-driver was not removed by its postrm script ... and fglrx-glx postrm script has a problem with that ... |
| 12:59.52 | babilen | phet: one second |
| 13:00.26 | phet | ok |
| 13:00.28 | phet | thx |
| 13:01.55 | babilen | phet: Could you try installing fglrx-driver and removing it again (don't think that works though) while i take a look at the postrm script .. |
| 13:02.32 | phet | I did that before |
| 13:02.37 | phet | when you told me |
| 13:03.21 | babilen | ah, and it did not work? |
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| 13:04.49 | babilen | what is the output of "ls -l /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/" ? |
| 13:04.59 | harpal | I cant find package libpam-mysql in lenny |
| 13:05.18 | phet | babilen, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 jul 10 14:23 libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 |
| 13:05.18 | phet | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 401528 jun 4 11:05 libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 13:06.03 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 13:06.42 | _pepo_ | I am looking for VPS with Debian, Do you know which is cheap and good? |
| 13:07.46 | joltcan | _pepo_: I would choose a local one, to minimize lag |
| 13:08.01 | joltcan | darn |
| 13:09.36 | babilen | phet: Ok - try: "dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --remove --rename --divert /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2" followed by "dpkg-divert --remove --rename --divert /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1" |
| 13:10.06 | babilen | phet: But we are really leaving the comfortable zone here :-\ |
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| 13:10.37 | babilen | And please paste the output :) |
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| 13:12.54 | phet | babilen, debian:/home/joan# dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --remove --rename --divert /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 13:12.54 | phet | No hay un desvío para `diversion of /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver', no se ha eliminado ninguno |
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| 13:14.14 | woalop | after a recent update, cannot print with my hp f380. get "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed". any suggestion? |
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| 13:22.02 | babilen | phet: I guess the second command does not work as well (with the same error? -- btw, could you run the commands prefixed with LANG=C please) |
| 13:22.37 | babilen | phet: What happens if you drop the "--rename" from those commands? |
| 13:24.02 | xyan | woalop: which debian version? |
| 13:24.21 | babilen | phet: Could you also paste /var/lib/dpkg/diversions please? |
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| 13:27.27 | babilen | phet: Oh .. I made a mistake. One second please. The actual command would be: "dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --rename --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2" and "dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --rename --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" |
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| 13:28.35 | woalop | xyan: squeeze |
| 13:28.42 | seeker7 | need to load chipset for mother board how do i do that in debian 5 |
| 13:29.04 | xyan | woalop: your printer is a usb printer? |
| 13:29.25 | phet | babilen, I was eating |
| 13:29.34 | phet | babilen, Im going to follow your instructions now |
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| 13:29.34 | woalop | xyan: yes. the job is pending, for a long time now. |
| 13:29.40 | xyan | woalop: then rmmod lpusb, blacklist that module, restart cups |
| 13:30.01 | phet | babilen, the second command doesnt work |
| 13:30.28 | phet | how can I prefix them by LANG=C? |
| 13:30.36 | woalop | xyan: you tried this before? |
| 13:31.29 | xyan | woalop: im running sid had the same problem with my usb printer when the update to cups 1.4 has happened |
| 13:31.30 | phet | babilen, without rename the same output |
| 13:31.30 | xyan | woalop: cups no longer needs the usb printing kernel module with version 1.4 so it conflicts |
| 13:31.43 | babilen | phet: What about "LANG=C dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --rename --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2" ? |
| 13:31.58 | phet | babilen, http://pastebin.com/CzeJ0yVj |
| 13:32.19 | phet | babilen, debian:/home/joan# LANG=C dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --rename --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 13:32.19 | phet | Removing `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver' |
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| 13:32.28 | woalop | xyan: that sounds familiar. it was printing ok until i did a recent upgrade. forgotten how to blacklist a module. |
| 13:32.34 | phet | it seems good now |
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| 13:32.45 | xyan | woalop: take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 13:32.58 | babilen | phet: Ok, run "LANG=C dpkg-divert --package fglrx-driver --rename --remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" now |
| 13:33.04 | woalop | xyan: thks, i am writing all these down. |
| 13:33.28 | phet | removing, good |
| 13:33.47 | babilen | ok, purge the fglrx-glx package now |
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| 13:34.37 | phet | I think it worked |
| 13:35.30 | babilen | phet: great :) --- do you still get "file not found" when you do "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so*" ? What about glxinfo? |
| 13:35.54 | phet | debian:/home/joan# LANG=C ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so* |
| 13:35.54 | phet | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jul 10 14:23 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 |
| 13:35.55 | phet | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 401528 Jun 4 11:05 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 13:36.13 | woalop | xyan: when i did 'rmmod lpusb', i get: lpusb does not exist in /proc/modules. |
| 13:36.17 | phet | it worked! bababfds |
| 13:36.19 | phet | it worked! babilen |
| 13:36.21 | babilen | phet: That looks good -- what is the output of "glxinfo | grep direct" ? |
| 13:36.31 | phet | direct rendering: Yes |
| 13:36.35 | babilen | hehe \o/ |
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| 13:36.43 | phet | thanyou very much |
| 13:36.44 | phet | tak |
| 13:36.46 | babilen | !next |
| 13:36.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 13:36.47 | xyan | woalop: eew then you might have another problem |
| 13:37.13 | babilen | phet: Sorry - it took me a while. I typically don't tinker with dpkg-divert directly ;) |
| 13:37.16 | woalop | xyan: thks, anyway. |
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| 13:37.24 | phet | babilen, are you swedish? Im spanish but I live in danmark |
| 13:37.47 | babilen | phet: No, .. a little south :) |
| 13:37.54 | xyan | woalop: the hplip drivers are a bit bitchy sometimes its enough to stop and start the printer via the cups control panel |
| 13:39.28 | xyan | woalop: did you see any suspicios output in syslog though? like avahi mdns lookup failed or something like that? |
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| 13:40.31 | phet | babilen, ahh germany, sorry for winning you the other day |
| 13:40.35 | phet | and thank you for your help |
| 13:40.41 | phet | I hope with the next system update |
| 13:40.47 | phet | I will not have that many problems |
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| 13:41.08 | woalop | xyan: let me check syslog. |
| 13:45.33 | elsbroek | can i somehow query the neighbor or destination cache of my debian hosts? |
| 13:46.18 | elsbroek | -or + and |
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| 13:48.56 | debto | hey i want to install a nvidia driver for my mx440 on debian lenny. But i get a error message : http://paste.debian.net/80157/ what to do? |
| 13:49.24 | debto | ok i try without x server |
| 13:49.58 | xyan | The NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X GPU installed in this system is supported through the NVIDIA 1.0-96xx legacy Linux graphics drivers |
| 13:49.59 | debto | same issue |
| 13:50.02 | xyan | get the right driver |
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| 13:50.50 | debto | how can i see more card details about the card? |
| 13:51.20 | xyan | lshw, hwinfo etc. |
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| 13:58.36 | babilen | abuhafs: welcome |
| 13:59.12 | abuhafs | i am usong ubuntu is it possible to stay |
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| 13:59.56 | babilen | abuhafs: You can stay - but don't expect us to answer Ubuntu related questions :) |
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| 14:21.35 | project2501b | is there a way to do a diff on two files on seperate computers? |
| 14:21.54 | project2501b | i mean besides adding sshfs |
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| 14:22.08 | Voldenet | via ftp |
| 14:22.11 | Voldenet | or what |
| 14:22.22 | project2501b | that's a bit complicagted |
| 14:22.25 | project2501b | that's a bit complicated |
| 14:22.34 | project2501b | i guess i better use sshfs |
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| 14:24.00 | xyan | project2501a: ssh remotehost cat /remote/file | diff /local/file - |
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| 14:26.39 | sett | how do i restart samba? |
| 14:26.58 | xyan | service samba restart |
| 14:27.02 | xyan | or /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 14:27.20 | sett | ty haven't used linux for 3 years forgot everything |
| 14:27.41 | Bushmills | sett: avocados |
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| 14:39.07 | maher | is there some easy way of setting up local dns in openvpn? i.e. I've statically allocated some ip addresses to some machines, and I would like to be able to access them as foo.local etc. |
| 14:39.47 | frostschutz | maher: /etc/hosts? |
| 14:40.18 | maher | frostschutz: i was hoping not to have to edit that on every computer... |
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| 14:42.36 | maher | here's another stupid question - I have some machines on the vpn - what's the gnome way of sharing files between them? |
| 14:44.37 | sett | anyone know if i should do something special? cannot log on samba from win7. using user security in config. nothing in logs. |
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| 14:47.11 | metrix | I am in the process of creating a thin client image that will be deployed to ~1000 devices at 150 different locations (location has a 100 mbit connection to a local server) all based on Debian with a slower network connection back to a central location. some problems I am worried about: |
| 14:47.14 | metrix | how do I manage updates to the systems? I'm not talking about apt-get, i'm more worried about my modifications in /etc and the custom scripts I have added to the devices |
| 14:47.38 | metrix | how do I keep these up to date across this type of system? |
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| 14:49.51 | rudi_s | metrix: You could use something like git/etckeeper or rsync to push/pull the changes (but I'm not sure how comfortable that is with ~1000 machines). |
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| 14:51.48 | project2501a | xyan: what if both files are remote? |
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| 14:52.04 | project2501a | rudi_s: very |
| 14:52.26 | metrix | rudi_s that doesn't sound bad.. I haven't heard of etc keeper.. |
| 14:52.30 | project2501a | rudi_s: especially if he just pushes the diffs |
| 14:52.38 | metrix | yeah |
| 14:52.44 | metrix | which brings up my next question |
| 14:53.03 | metrix | How do I make sure the devices haven't been tampered with? These devices will connect to a server via ssh that will have the applications that are used, but how do I make sure somebody didn't take the device home and make modifications? |
| 14:53.05 | project2501a | etckeeper also works with git |
| 14:53.05 | rudi_s | metrix: etckeeper uses git (or similar vcs) to track /etc, and makes sure the permissions are correctly tracked (which git can't do on its own). |
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| 14:53.21 | metrix | cool |
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| 14:53.41 | rudi_s | metrix: No way AFAIK, if they have control of the device (over the hardware), you can't be sure of anything. |
| 14:53.47 | project2501a | metrix: you can try to use tripwire |
| 14:53.55 | project2501a | but what rudi_s said |
| 14:53.59 | metrix | hmm. |
| 14:54.03 | solar_sea | how do I disable the nouveau driver in squeeze, so that I can run the proprietary one ? |
| 14:54.54 | metrix | what I really want is just to make it hard for someone.. If I see a file has changed on a device, then we shut the thing down. |
| 14:55.00 | metrix | so maybe trip wire is what I want |
| 14:55.26 | project2501a | yeah, just make sure you define it in advance. |
| 14:55.29 | rudi_s | !tell solar_sea about nvidia |
| 14:56.16 | project2501a | metrix: mind you, it's not that difficult to screw tripwire up if you got possession of the device, especially with a bit of dd 'ing |
| 14:56.33 | project2501a | copy the files, regenerate checksum, import new hard drive |
| 14:57.00 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.07 | project2501a | or retail |
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| 14:57.24 | metrix | well what if I had something on the device listening that when a device connects to the server, the server starts asking it a few challenge questions in case someone tried to remove tripwire |
| 14:57.43 | metrix | it would be security through obscurity, but if it didn't talk I could shut the device down. |
| 14:58.01 | metrix | retail |
| 14:58.01 | project2501a | you can do that. you can also note uptime and downtime in nagios |
| 14:58.19 | metrix | hmm |
| 14:58.51 | project2501a | if you are in retail you can definatelly command all sails point to not shut down the terminal at the end of the day |
| 14:59.35 | metrix | yeah |
| 14:59.48 | xyan | project2501a: then runn diff through ssh eg: ssh host2 "cat ~/file2" | ssh host1 "diff ~/file1 -" |
| 14:59.54 | fxiny | removing tripwire ? let samhain mail you |
| 15:00.07 | project2501a | or you can send syslog to a central syslog server |
| 15:01.10 | metrix | that's true |
| 15:01.37 | metrix | well thank you for the suggestions. I think I have a bit more research to do. |
| 15:02.13 | fxiny | i used etckeeper with mercurial , pretty fast and good to revert unwanted apt update changes , there are lighter toools for congfigs backups : filtraq , diffmon , changetrack |
| 15:03.40 | project2501a | to be honest, there's a lack of research what happens when systems scale up to 1000s |
| 15:03.48 | project2501a | on the sysadmin side at least |
| 15:04.18 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: If you're doing thin-client, isn't all the storage on the server? A single image for each type of terminal? |
| 15:04.22 | project2501a | most of the top 500 have either proprietary solutions or hack something together |
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| 15:04.58 | jhutchins_lt | You can disable shutdown through the software and you can disable the power button. |
| 15:05.07 | metrix | I would love to do it that way, but due to PCI compliance I can't run tftp on the servers, so the image will be on the device itself :. |
| 15:05.09 | metrix | :/ |
| 15:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | What you can't do is keep them from pulling the plug. |
| 15:05.10 | project2501a | it would be nice to have a debian solution where you could just roll out diffs |
| 15:05.37 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: Actually, you can, IBM's POS system is all netboot. |
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| 15:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: Runs SuSE from a central server. |
| 15:06.51 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: So what is "thin client" about your solution? |
| 15:06.59 | metrix | according to the security team, PCI will not allow tftp on the same server that credit card information goes through. |
| 15:07.24 | project2501a | metrix: nice. enjoy PCI compliance :D |
| 15:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: THat's too bad, your security team is incompetent. |
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| 15:07.44 | project2501a | what jhutchins_lt said |
| 15:07.47 | robblesz | Hello friends. I have three ethernet adapters, all with public IPs: eth0, eth0:1, and eth0:2. When I use tools such as rsync to connect to the internet, they use the eth0:2 public IP. How can I change this so that outgoing connections use eth0 instead? |
| 15:07.50 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: It's what you STORE that counts, not what's transmitted. |
| 15:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: Make it the default gateway in the routing table. |
| 15:08.55 | robblesz | jhutchins: I was looking at the output of "route", but there are 3 different entries under "default" |
| 15:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: It really makes a lot of sense to look at the IBM/SuSE system. You can always reinvent the wheel, |
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| 15:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | metrix: For updates we just use bash loops with ssh/scp. |
| 15:10.11 | robblesz | jhutchins: sorry, I think I know what you mean now. I will play around with the route command and see what I can do |
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| 15:10.31 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: You can set the gateway in the interfaces file. |
| 15:10.53 | metrix | yeah.. I'm not saying a like it.. installing TFTP on a Windows machine at the stores was getting thrown around... |
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| 15:11.05 | metrix | I will look into the the IBM suse retail environment |
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| 15:12.09 | robblesz | jhutchins: I have two OpenVZ containers that are using eth0:1 and eth0:2 to connect to the internet. If I remove the gateway entry from those two adapters, will they lose internet connectivity? |
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| 15:12.58 | lindi- | robblesz: you might want to migrate from ifconfig to ip |
| 15:13.08 | lindi- | robblesz: you really only have eth0 that just has two ip addresses |
| 15:13.12 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: why not dancer's shell? |
| 15:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: Given the complexity of your setup you might want to read up on routing; something like http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 15:14.00 | robblesz | lindi- / jhutchins_lt: here is my interfaces file: http://pastie.org/private/hklwajrom5r2rpn1zaeaa |
| 15:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: for what? |
| 15:14.16 | project2501a | for copying data over |
| 15:14.24 | project2501a | vs the bash loops |
| 15:14.28 | lindi- | robblesz: interfaces file unfortunately does not really support ip tool yet |
| 15:14.43 | lindi- | robblesz: but take a look at the output of "ip link", "ip addr" and "ip route" |
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| 15:15.11 | robblesz | lindi-: Thank you, I will look |
| 15:15.26 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Since the interfaces file is the way Debian configures networking, perhaps it is best to stick with that can be done through it. |
| 15:15.38 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: i think we should improve it |
| 15:15.51 | robblesz | jhutchins_lt: I'm sorry, I don't see any routing section in that link you pasted |
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| 15:15.58 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: You want to set your default gateway to be eth<whatever>. |
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| 15:16.00 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: ifconfig is really horribly complex if you have multiple addresses or more complex routing |
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| 15:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Yes, developers are working on improving the system. That is not a solution for a naieve end-user. |
| 15:16.41 | robblesz | jhutchins_lt: is that possible with just the interfaces file? |
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| 15:17.35 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: I'd personally add the extra IPs with just something like post-up ip addr add 10.7.2.252/16 brd 10.7.255.255 scope global dev eth0 |
| 15:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, I thought it had a networking section... |
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| 15:18.36 | robblesz | lindi-: cool, I will look into that. Reading up on the 'ip' command at the moment |
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| 15:19.27 | lxsameer | every time i install apache using debian package manager i have to edit its configuration, is there any way to install apache with a default working configuration? |
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| 15:19.40 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/networking.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 15:20.19 | robblesz | The odd thing about 'ip route' is that there are three 'default' routes, but they all show 'eth0'. It's like they're not aware of the 2 virtual adapters I have |
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| 15:20.31 | robblesz | jhutchins_lt: cheers |
| 15:20.32 | lindi- | robblesz: the virtual adapters don't exist |
| 15:20.36 | lindi- | robblesz: they are just ifconfig's imagination |
| 15:20.52 | lindi- | robblesz: kernel sees only one interface with multiple addresses |
| 15:20.54 | robblesz | Oh, I did not know it was an ifconfig construct |
| 15:21.06 | bzed | robblesz: ifconfig is deprecated. |
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| 15:21.22 | bzed | robblesz: same for ethX:Y "interfaces" |
| 15:21.33 | bzed | robblesz: use ip addr add/del/.... |
| 15:21.40 | bzed | !ip |
| 15:21.40 | dpkg | [internet protocol] IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. To check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or <intellectual property> |
| 15:21.46 | bzed | meh |
| 15:21.51 | bzed | !iproute |
| 15:21.52 | dpkg | methinks iproute is the successor to ifconfig and route and allows proper aliasing of ips rather than the old 'ip aliasing' scheme - read http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/2.4routing-3.html, or a more graceful handler for <ipv6> |
| 15:21.55 | lindi- | bzed: I've used that for a long time. do you know if there's any debian support for that? |
| 15:22.06 | bzed | lindi-: for what? |
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| 15:22.14 | bzed | lindi-: adding additional addresses? |
| 15:22.16 | lindi- | bzed: since /etc/network/interfaces with a lot of post-up scripts calling "ip" is sometimes bit unelegant |
| 15:22.16 | robblesz | bzed: but what about having all that stuff on startup? afaik, interfaces is the standard |
| 15:22.46 | lindi- | bzed: I even have things like "post-up /etc/init.d/routing restart" in every interface now :) |
| 15:22.58 | bzed | lindi-, robblesz: unfortunately adding ip up to the post-up hook in /etc/network/interfaces or writing a script for if=up.d is the only way in debian right now |
| 15:22.58 | project2501a | must you install fuse on both the source and destination operating system in order to use fuse? |
| 15:23.07 | bzed | lindi-: thats not sexy at all :P |
| 15:23.08 | lindi- | bzed: where /etc/init.d/routing does complex ip route setup |
| 15:23.26 | lindi- | bzed: how else would you do it? I don't want to repeat the same ip route blocks for all interface |
| 15:23.30 | bzed | lindi-: thats what /etc/network/if-up.d is for :) |
| 15:23.41 | lindi- | bzed: maybe |
| 15:23.52 | bzed | the interface name is in the environment |
| 15:24.03 | bzed | so you could just bail out if you don't want to run stuff at tha tpoint |
| 15:24.07 | lindi- | bzed: anyways, i'd be interested in having something to support this in debian |
| 15:24.13 | robblesz | bzed: okay I'll try hooking like you and lindi- recommended. It might cause problems with some of the OpenVZ startup scripts though, so I'll have to be careful. |
| 15:24.15 | lindi- | bzed: is there something to support this even outside debian? |
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| 15:24.26 | lindi- | robblesz: just play around with ip a while |
| 15:24.43 | lindi- | robblesz: when everything works I save the output of iki.fi/lindi/print-net-settings for later reference |
| 15:24.52 | lindi- | robblesz: if I then break something I can just diff against that saved state |
| 15:25.01 | bzed | lindi-: no idea :) but I know that Yoe was writing on a replacement |
| 15:25.06 | bzed | bot sure what the status of that is |
| 15:25.19 | lindi- | bzed: sounds good |
| 15:25.27 | lindi- | bzed: any reference to that? |
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| 15:27.38 | bzed | lindi-: http://grep.be/blog/en/computer/code/ipcfg/announce |
| 15:27.48 | bzed | lindi-: I could imagine he ran out of time to work on it |
| 15:27.59 | bzed | lindi-: in case yo uhave some spare time, just contact him :) |
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| 15:29.38 | lindi- | bzed: right. this "/etc/init.d/routing restart" has magic like ip rule show | grep -Ev '^(0|32766|32767):|iif lo' \ | while read PRIO NATRULE; do ip rule del prio ${PRIO%%:*} $( echo $NATRULE | sed 's|all|0/0|' ) done to remove all routes... |
| 15:29.52 | lindi- | bzed: and then it adds the routes that are needed |
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| 15:30.06 | lindi- | bzed: and there's a helper script to do cached DNS lookups |
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| 15:30.31 | redsand | how can i compile an app WITH executable stack? |
| 15:30.32 | lindi- | bzed: so that it does not get stuck if DNS is not working but can still benefit from DNS :) |
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| 15:30.38 | redsand | -z execstack doesnt seem to work |
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| 15:32.28 | jake_ | could someone give me some advice on installation of Debian 64 bit on my laptop please - the problem I am having is that it starts the installation and when it asks for the media source it won't find my cd-rom drive. I tried all the options that it suggested but nothing came up. Any ideas? Google has turned up nothing |
| 15:32.49 | lindi- | jake_: what laptop is it? |
| 15:32.59 | jake_ | lenovo n500 |
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| 15:33.44 | bzed | jake_: are you trying to install lenny? |
| 15:33.57 | bzed | !tell jake_ about kmuto |
| 15:34.12 | bzed | I'd give a recent kernel a try |
| 15:34.21 | jake_ | bzed, Yes I am trying to install Debian 5.05 amd64 from dvd 1 |
| 15:36.14 | robblesz | bzed / lindi-: sorry, could you take a quick look at my 'ip route' and 'ip addr' settings? http://pastie.org/private/sllz6opvnbxgovgwizwraq |
| 15:36.28 | jake_ | Is this because debain freezes the software and kernels it uses on a release, and why other distros have worked without any problems? (not complaining, just curious) |
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| 15:36.48 | robblesz | what would that have to look like in order for my default IP for outgoing internet connections to be 194.14.0.55? |
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| 15:40.04 | AmberJ | Does any got multimedia keys on keyboard working? |
| 15:40.14 | AmberJ | I used this to setup: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Multimedia_Keys#Setting_up_xmodmap |
| 15:40.22 | AmberJ | But none of keys seem to work :( |
| 15:40.29 | AmberJ | I use Xorg....Do I need to use xfree86 for this? |
| 15:40.51 | AmberJ | And, I dont seem to find xfree86 in debian packages |
| 15:41.01 | AmberJ | I'm on debian lenny right now |
| 15:41.07 | macrobat | AmberJ: xorg should be fine |
| 15:41.34 | macrobat | did you use xev to find the keycodes? |
| 15:42.49 | AmberJ | macrobat: Yes, I did. They were all same as mentioned in the link above. So, I just copy/pasted the contents but they dont seem to work :( |
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| 15:44.28 | macrobat | and xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap ? |
| 15:44.44 | lindi- | robblesz: it's now .57? |
| 15:44.53 | maher | i'm trying gnome connect to server via ssh but it won't ask me for a password - how do i get it to ask me for a password? |
| 15:45.04 | robblesz | lindi-: yep |
| 15:45.25 | robblesz | I wonder, maybe I can set the metric, or reorder the route so that my preferred is at the top |
| 15:45.30 | lindi- | robblesz: I think 'default via 194.14.0.33 dev eth0 src 194.14.0.57' means 'by default route packets via .33 and send them out using if eth0. if they don't have a source ip set, set it to .57' |
| 15:45.48 | lindi- | robblesz: so make that "src ....55" |
| 15:45.55 | lindi- | robblesz: and remove all the other default routes |
| 15:46.11 | AmberJ | macrobat: Yes, I did that too. |
| 15:46.18 | robblesz | I will try, hopefully my OpenVZ containers don't lose connectivity |
| 15:46.31 | lindi- | bzed: ok hmm |
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| 15:46.57 | lindi- | bzed: it's somewhat amazing that no distro has attempted to create anything like this |
| 15:47.01 | jake_ | bzed, how do i go about using a different kernel from the very start ie installation process? I can place a new kernel into a running system but am unsure of how i would add this to he bootable iso disc |
| 15:47.08 | macrobat | and xbindkeys to bind keys to do stuff? |
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| 15:50.37 | jake_ | when i only have this one laptop (machine) and i cannot install debian to compile a new kernel and add it to grub, will ihave to install ubuntu to compile a new kernel for debian and even then I don't know how to get debian to look at the new kernel image |
| 15:50.41 | maher | jake_: its kind of a pain - there are instructions lying around the web somewhere - if you just want a very recent kernel kenji leaves some images lying around... |
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| 15:51.10 | aleray | hi, what is the difference between the cd and dvd install disks? |
| 15:51.26 | jake_ | is this just something that i may "suffer" with when it comes to debian? will i be running into problems with a newer kernel image? |
| 15:51.32 | Vroomfondle | dvd has a lot more packages on the disc. Useful if you are installing on a system which has no internet connection. |
| 15:51.46 | aleray | Vroomfondle, ok thanks! |
| 15:51.48 | Vroomfondle | otherwise, grab the CD one and just get the packages from the 'net |
| 15:52.12 | jake_ | aleray, netinst disc would be even better if your connection is fine |
| 15:52.22 | AmberJ | macrobat: Do I need to bind keys to commands? |
| 15:52.36 | aleray | jake_, thanks |
| 15:52.50 | lindi- | jake_: maher: I'm hoping you can just boot debian squeeze livecd, install stable from it and then add backports kernel to it |
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| 15:53.06 | maher | jake_: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:53.17 | maher | jake_: sorry - his name is kenshi |
| 15:53.24 | macrobat | AmberJ: or bind them in your desktop environment/media apps |
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| 15:53.47 | jake_ | maher, so i have to tell the installer to pick up the kernel from the usb as a source then? |
| 15:54.16 | maher | jake_: no - just use kenshi's iso images - they boot and install recent kernels |
| 15:54.24 | jake_ | lindi-, does the live cd have a new kernel in it that will allow me to isntall? if it just instals from the live environment am I not still goin to have have problems with my cd rom drive not being supported? |
| 15:54.35 | aleray | jake, the "small cd" one ? |
| 15:54.50 | AmberJ | macrobat: You mean to say that I need to bind them in my vlc (my WM is dwm which doesnot supports this, imo)? |
| 15:55.18 | lindi- | jake_: yes, it is squeeze |
| 15:55.37 | maher | is gdm meant to start ssh-agent? |
| 15:55.41 | lindi- | jake_: at least you can experiment with things a lot easier this way |
| 15:56.16 | jake_ | aleray, you should find debian-505-i386-netinst.iso (depending on architecture and mirror) but that will be the oen |
| 15:56.41 | jake_ | lindi-, squeeze is the debian testing yes? |
| 15:56.54 | aleray | jake_, perfect |
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| 15:56.55 | macrobat | AmberJ: something like this http://paste.debian.net/80162/ |
| 15:57.04 | lindi- | jake_: yes |
| 15:57.16 | jake_ | maher, I don't think gdm starts it no |
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| 15:58.04 | jake_ | lindi-, is everyone advised to use testing? one of the reasons i wanted to use debian was the "stability" selling point |
| 15:58.21 | lindi- | jake_: I'm only advocating it to run the installer |
| 15:58.31 | lindi- | jake_: i'm not recommending you to run testing |
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| 15:59.05 | jake_ | once i have it installed, i can just compile a new kernel (with support for my cd rom) and carry on from there then? |
| 15:59.20 | lindi- | jake_: no need to compile. just use newer kernel from backports.org |
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| 15:59.35 | lindi- | I'll test this theory under qemu |
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| 16:00.51 | jake_ | i have never had this kind of problem before - wireless is about the only issue i ever stumble across with linux any more and even that is rare |
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| 16:02.23 | grumper | hi |
| 16:02.37 | maher | ok - when i do gnome connect to server ssh it seems to call a process sarting with ssh options - I don't see how this can possibly work |
| 16:02.58 | grumper | on my oldish laptop I have a memory stick reader that I never ever use. However it does not seem to respond to usbsuspend, and shows up waking everything up in powertop |
| 16:03.15 | grumper | is there some way to disable this device on boot (short of disasembling the laptop and ripping it out?) |
| 16:03.20 | AmberJ | macrobat: Added based on your paste. But still it doesnot seems to work. Is there a command to reload ~/.xbindkeysrc config? |
| 16:03.40 | macrobat | xbindkeys -f ~/.xbindkeysrc |
| 16:04.09 | jhutchins_lt | grumper: If you can figure out what driver it's using you might be able to blacklist the driver. |
| 16:04.22 | AmberJ | macrobat: Ah. thanks a lot. It works now. :) |
| 16:04.45 | AmberJ | macrobat: Do you recommend me writing an article on debian wiki on this? |
| 16:05.04 | AmberJ | Or else, I'm going to do a post on weblog for sure :) |
| 16:05.11 | AmberJ | *my weblog |
| 16:05.44 | macrobat | i dont know much about the wiki, could be useful |
| 16:05.49 | grumper | jhutchins_lt: I can do that (figuring out driver) - where can I read about blacklisting? |
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| 16:07.00 | jhutchins_lt | grumper: I think man modprobe.conf has the syntax. |
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| 16:07.17 | jake_ | can't you just add it to rc.conf blacklisted? |
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| 16:07.38 | cahoot | !blacklist |
| 16:07.38 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 16:17.05 | hareldvd | on rescue cd using lilo I get: "Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x0010 (NFS/RAID mirror down ?)" any idea? |
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| 16:22.43 | chalk46 | can anyone recommend a simple way to use something in the gnuit package to just clone something from a git repository? |
| 16:23.07 | chalk46 | it says it replaces git, but none of the commands seem to look like they can do this |
| 16:23.39 | chalk46 | unless i'm just being daft :D |
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| 16:25.13 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: any ideas? |
| 16:25.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 42 sex-crazed dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:25.34 | grumper | hm hm hm... |
| 16:25.41 | chalk46 | grabs a few firecrackers |
| 16:26.18 | jhutchins_lt | hareldvd: Sounds like you might have a problem with the raid. |
| 16:26.41 | fxiny | can't hear firecrackers from inside the fridge |
| 16:26.54 | grumper | jhutchins_lt, cahoot: I can indeed disable the device fine, but I need to blacklist usb_storage which will prevent me from using *any* memory sticks in the future |
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| 16:27.01 | grumper | is there a way to say "do not touch usb id such and such" |
| 16:27.02 | grumper | ? |
| 16:27.05 | robblesz | jhuchins_lt / lindi- / bzed: my routing problem had a simple fix. I just added "metric 2" to all but one adapter in the interfaces file and now my outgoing packets have the right source IP |
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| 16:29.07 | AmberJ | macrobat: ls |
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| 16:32.38 | hareldvd | jhutchins_lt, Terrible delay here, I don't have any raid, Got a simple sata. fdisk /dev/sda is OK. Any idea? |
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| 16:36.04 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: Excelent. I figured it would be something like that but was too lazy to research the detals for you. |
| 16:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | hareldvd: Could be a hardware problem. |
| 16:36.37 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: However, if the disk checks ok... |
| 16:36.46 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: What were you trying to do when you got the error. |
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| 16:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | robblesz: No idea how I got your nic there, the above was meant for hareldvd |
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| 16:42.01 | hareldvd | jhutchins_lt, I have a dual OS machine. It's a dell laptop 64 bit. for some reason after I do anything on the Windows 7 installation the boot breaks. I tried to reinstall grub eventually I installed lilo (which I control better) and after chroot (and some mknod /dev/sdaX I was OK with the lilo command. Any recommendations? |
| 16:42.47 | jhutchins_lt | hareldvd: I don't understand what's wrong - what problem are you having? |
| 16:42.54 | AmberJ | is off now. Take care |
| 16:43.08 | jhutchins_lt | hareldvd: Yes, the windows installer will always overwrite your bootmanager, windows does not play well with others. |
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| 16:48.56 | cristi8 | making a select() to check if a fd can be read every 100 miliseconds in a daemon process is ok on the system, right? |
| 16:49.19 | cristi8 | i mean.. it doesn' access the disk or smth |
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| 16:53.40 | Parabola | hey guys |
| 16:53.52 | Parabola | i have a directory of files that i want bziped, however i want each within its own archive |
| 16:53.56 | Parabola | is there a way to do that all at once? |
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| 17:00.08 | babilen | Parabola: find + exec might help .. |
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| 17:04.01 | ferr | how can i start binary with start-stop-daemon with specified user? --user is not working for me |
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| 17:04.44 | aleray | hi |
| 17:05.00 | aleray | I just installed debian on a i686 |
| 17:05.21 | aleray | I tried moving to squeeze by changing my source.list |
| 17:05.47 | aleray | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:07.00 | maher | does anyone have an installation with a working gnome connect to server via ssh? |
| 17:07.23 | aleray | (saying something like: current state: remaining 138 updates) |
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| 17:07.31 | aleray | (my install is in french) |
| 17:08.07 | moldovean | dpkg, lenny->sqeeze |
| 17:08.08 | dpkg | no idea, moldovean |
| 17:08.34 | rubin110 | How do I export home directories with NFS? |
| 17:08.44 | moldovean | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 17:08.44 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 17:08.46 | rubin110 | Just /~? |
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| 17:10.09 | babilen | !tell aleray -about localized errors |
| 17:10.21 | babilen | aleray: Please paste the complete output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:10.28 | tharkun | Gentlemen good evening, once upon a time i configured my laptop to connect to a central cups server, i forgot how to do it, can someone slap me in the right direction? |
| 17:10.45 | tharkun | babilen: wb |
| 17:10.52 | RacerX | dpkg, squeeze udev |
| 17:10.52 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 17:10.54 | simonrvn | j/me kicks tharkun towards localhost:631 |
| 17:10.58 | simonrvn | kicks tharkun towards localhost:631 |
| 17:11.00 | simonrvn | even |
| 17:11.08 | babilen | tharkun: thanks :) |
| 17:11.23 | tharkun | simonrvn: more explicitly, i just forgot the option on that url :-) |
| 17:11.39 | simonrvn | i wouldn't know :/ |
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| 17:11.51 | simonrvn | i'd be visiting the help myself |
| 17:12.04 | tharkun | !coffee simonrvn |
| 17:12.04 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for simonrvn, courtesy of tharkun |
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| 17:12.18 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 17:13.09 | Devastator | I have a computer with debian and I want to reinstall it, thing is cdrom is broken, can I run the setup inside debian? |
| 17:13.41 | bartm | Devastator: yes, it is possible to run the installer from hard disk |
| 17:13.47 | babilen | Devastator: You could boot from the network, a USB stick or debootstrap the installation |
| 17:14.10 | tharkun | Devastator: if you really screwed the initial debian install beyond repair. you should reinstall, else a little house cleaning will put you through there |
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| 17:14.35 | Devastator | babilen to boot from network, do I need PXE etc? |
| 17:14.49 | babilen | Devastator: yes |
| 17:15.07 | Devastator | tharkun computer is running fine, but upgrade from etch to lenny is giving lots of errors on boot |
| 17:15.28 | Devastator | babilen usb stick is not an option, old computer heh |
| 17:15.45 | Devastator | I don't think my nic has eeprom.. |
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| 17:16.38 | bartm | Devastator: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s04.html |
| 17:16.56 | simonrvn | s,amd64,i386, probably |
| 17:17.10 | tharkun | Devastator: a little patience and you can iron them out |
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| 17:17.21 | bartm | simonrvn: could be :) |
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| 17:19.54 | aleray | moldovean: thanks it solved it |
| 17:20.03 | moldovean | de rien |
| 17:21.03 | Devastator | tharkun I think it's better to start fresh.. |
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| 17:23.21 | tharkun | Devastator: wget the image check the signatures and burn it again. No other solution |
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| 17:26.06 | broy- | 7/notice s7 teamviewer 120 541 424 pw: 7850 |
| 17:26.10 | handheldcar | anybody know why my virtual terminal / tty is showing up half screen and one level below my normal resolution? |
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| 17:26.56 | babilen | handheldcar: lenny? |
| 17:27.04 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 17:27.15 | handheldcar | My monitor likes to tell me it's not at an optimal resolution, and the last line is "blurry" squeeze babilen |
| 17:27.23 | Devastator | is this the correct place? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 17:27.28 | babilen | handheldcar: Yes - Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 17:27.28 | handheldcar | legacy nvidia driver |
| 17:27.31 | babilen | Devastator: yes |
| 17:27.38 | Devastator | thanks babilen |
| 17:27.48 | handheldcar | squeeze |
| 17:27.49 | babilen | Devastator: except if you don't want to download from a mirror in the netherlands |
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| 17:27.56 | handheldcar | testing |
| 17:28.02 | babilen | handheldcar: Most likely related to KMS |
| 17:28.23 | babilen | handheldcar: ati/nvidia/intel/matrox/... ? |
| 17:28.40 | babilen | handheldcar: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 17:28.46 | handheldcar | nvidia, and the monitor's message about resolution gets in the way |
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| 17:32.39 | babilen | handheldcar: If you are using noveau configure the module with modeset=0 |
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| 17:33.43 | craigevil | handheldcar: did you run nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf, if you are using grub2 edit /etc/default/grub and add nomodeset to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= |
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| 17:35.00 | babilen | or edit the appropriate file within /etc/modprobe.d/ for nvidia and make sure that the module is loaded with modeset=0 (equivalent to nomodeset) |
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| 17:35.40 | babilen | craigevil: What would nvidia-xconfig do? (I know nothing about nvidia) |
| 17:35.48 | handheldcar | babilen: I'm pretty sure the nouveau module is removed, but I can check. craigevil I didn't run that; I set it up w/ smxi. my modprobe currently says options i915 modeset=1 |
| 17:36.00 | craigevil | creates a working Xorg.conf |
| 17:36.20 | babilen | smxi *shudder* |
| 17:36.33 | craigevil | handheldcar: smxi runs nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf and ti removes the nouveau module |
| 17:36.40 | craigevil | it* |
| 17:37.06 | handheldcar | I have a tiny xorg.conf |
| 17:38.56 | handheldcar | I'll change the modprobe to options i915 modeset=0. should I set grub, too? |
| 17:39.14 | babilen | handheldcar: not necessary then |
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| 17:39.53 | handheldcar | ok thx |
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| 17:40.13 | craigevil | handheldcar: http://paste.debian.net/80166/ my xorg.conf and my /etc/default/grub http://paste.debian.net/80167/ |
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| 17:40.43 | Devastator | heh, I forgot to download the iso |
| 17:41.05 | babilen | Devastator: ;-D |
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| 17:43.04 | miche | hi |
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| 17:45.03 | miche | can anybody tell me, where to get the last but one version of a binary .deb of testing |
| 17:45.25 | bartm | miche: for which package? |
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| 17:45.37 | miche | modemmanager |
| 17:45.57 | Guest15172 | miche: you mean the package which was in testing before the current one? |
| 17:46.05 | miche | 0.2-2 |
| 17:46.09 | craigevil | !snapshot |
| 17:46.09 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:46.12 | miche | sorry 0.3-2 |
| 17:46.18 | Devastator | my connection couldn't be worse |
| 17:46.42 | miche | thank you! |
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| 17:48.28 | tharkun | How do i change the keyword layout_ |
| 17:48.51 | bartm | tharkun: in gnome ? system, preferences, keyboard |
| 17:49.18 | tharkun | bartm: Do you know the app name i am having some trouble accessing the menu |
| 17:49.40 | bartm | tharkun: gnome-keyboard-properties |
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| 17:56.45 | tharkun | bartm: Did not work, i ended up editing xorg.conf . But anyway thanks for your help |
| 17:57.23 | bartm | np |
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| 17:58.36 | handheldcar | babilen: that didn't fix the resolution |
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| 18:04.13 | handheldcar | I rebooted. should I restore the modprobe and set grub to nomodeset? |
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| 18:05.17 | babilen | handheldcar: yeah - try that. edit /etc/default/grub and add "nomodeset" after "quiet" and run update-grub afterwards |
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| 18:06.30 | the_lord | Hi! I just installed debian over network, but I did an automated install and now I want to remove all the X11 environment, is there any quick way to remove all packages of gnome and X ? |
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| 18:06.49 | SparFux | Hi all. Anybody using netconf already? |
| 18:06.59 | handheldcar | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nomodeset" this? it's already in there :( |
| 18:07.04 | jmad980 | SparFux: just ask |
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| 18:07.49 | SparFux | jmad980: No, I haven't tried. My question is simply if sb has it in action already. I read page http://netconf.alioth.debian.org/ and think it is VERY interesting, because it describes problems I have encountered with ifupdown. |
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| 18:08.40 | jeeves__ | what is the easiest way to get my Toshiba laptop with an nVidia 7600 go in it to relize that there is an LCD screen attached? I reciently did an update, and now my attached screen dosn't work |
| 18:09.23 | SparFux | jeeves__: which distro? |
| 18:09.59 | jeeves__ | <hangs head in shame> I'm an ubuntu user. no one in that channel knows WTF is going on. I'm just trying to get my screen to work so I can install Dbian |
| 18:10.25 | SparFux | jeeves__: how about trying Nouveau driver? |
| 18:10.42 | jeeves__ | SparFux, do you have a URL? |
| 18:10.56 | jonj | the_lord: apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment ; apt-get autoremove |
| 18:10.57 | craigevil | handheldcar: if you run xrandr |
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| 18:11.09 | craigevil | does it show the resolution you want to use |
| 18:11.26 | SparFux | jeeves__: http://netconf.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:11.35 | jeeves__ | SparFux, I should also add that this laptop has worked well for over a year with dual booting it, but last night after a system update, now I don't even have a display on the primary pannel in the BIOS or Windows |
| 18:11.51 | SparFux | jeeves__: sorry. wrong topic. hold on... |
| 18:12.17 | the_lord | jonj, thx, let me try |
| 18:12.28 | SparFux | jeeves__: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 18:13.46 | jeeves__ | SparFux, do you think that this driver update can cause as much damage as this one has? (ie. effecting the screen in the BIOS, and in windows)? |
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| 18:14.46 | jhutchins | jeeves__: If it's affecting the BIOS and MS Windows, it's not something that the driver did. |
| 18:14.55 | jhutchins | jeeves__: You're looking at a hardware problem. |
| 18:15.44 | jeeves__ | jhutchins, I just think it's strange that I did the update, restarted X, and then the LCD pannel started to flicker, then went totally dead (no other hardware, etc was changed), and when I rebooted, the screen flickered in the BIOS, then went black |
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| 18:15.58 | jonj | my lenny machine was great for 6 months, but now gnome sessions hang before the menus/icons load. It's related to gnome-vfs-daemon segfaults appearing in the syslog. Any ideas where to debug? |
| 18:16.21 | SparFux1 | jeeves__: nouveau has Very very good support in #nouveau. People really try to help you out there. |
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| 18:17.25 | jeeves__ | jhutchins, it's just REALLY strange that it would take the whole system down with a single update after not having ANY issues with it for over a year. The second Toshiba 17" laptop with a nVidia card in it died the same way. I'm wondering if there is an issue with the driver killing the hardware |
| 18:18.55 | Devastator | it has been a long time since I don't do this, but is there any difference to use primary partition on the beggining or the end? |
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| 18:21.15 | handheldcar | craigevil: can't open display |
| 18:22.09 | jonj | the_lord: tasksel is also a program than might help you. For example 'man tasksel' 'tasksel --list-tasks' and 'tasksel remove desktop' |
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| 18:23.52 | amee2k | !stable |
| 18:23.52 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 18:24.06 | handheldcar | Do I need to stop kdm before running xrandr? |
| 18:24.48 | craigevil | jeeves__: what driver version were you using? there were a couple of different nvidia drivers that had issues with the fan control causing the gpu to overheat |
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| 18:26.10 | craigevil | handheldcar: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 18:29.34 | jonj | what can cause gnome-vfs-daemon to segfault? |
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| 18:30.10 | upIRC | Hi, I am experiencing problems with, alsa. Audio is low, hda_intel. I ran alsamixer, turned volume control right, still nothing. |
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| 18:35.21 | jonj | upIRC: could you clarify - is there no volume at all or low volume. Which volume controls did you adjust in alsa mixer? |
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| 18:36.26 | Shar16 | Is there some kind of long term supported, enterprise version of Debian? |
| 18:36.58 | bartm | Shar16: yes, stable |
| 18:37.02 | jonj | shar16: all releases are supported for around 3 years. it varies |
| 18:37.30 | jonj | all (stable) releases that is |
| 18:37.41 | Shar16 | yeah but do I go on IRC or do I pay for a support contract? |
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| 18:38.29 | upIRC | jonj: low, volume I can hear something, but only very low. |
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| 18:39.21 | jonj | shar16: there are companies that will provide debian support, but not debian as far as I know |
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| 18:40.44 | bartm | Shar16: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 18:42.22 | Devastator | I have a 4.3gb hdd that I'm partitioning to install debian, I want a big partition that I will share separated from /, so I thought: 1gb /, 200mb swap, 3.1gb partition |
| 18:42.31 | Devastator | any suggestions? |
| 18:42.37 | Devastator | should / be bigger? |
| 18:42.44 | jonj | upIRC: low volume suggests it's working - have you tried increasing all the volume sliders. there's a master volume control, and one each for the cd, wave etc |
| 18:43.21 | upIRC | jonj: yup |
| 18:43.23 | jmad980 | Devastator: denpends on what your going to be installing, might need a biger / |
| 18:43.44 | jmad980 | gnome is a no go but you should allready know that |
| 18:43.45 | Devastator | jmad980 for this setup, base system + samba |
| 18:43.49 | jmad980 | :p |
| 18:43.57 | jmad980 | sounds about right |
| 18:44.01 | Devastator | it's a server (kind of) |
| 18:44.06 | Devastator | no X hehe |
| 18:44.06 | jmad980 | :p |
| 18:44.26 | jmad980 | well then why do you need such a big home? |
| 18:44.37 | jmad980 | laughs at calling it big |
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| 18:44.51 | Devastator | me too lol |
| 18:45.15 | seisatsu | I installed debian on my toilet, but the drivers for the flusher aren't in the repository? |
| 18:45.17 | Devastator | because if something happens to the server, I can install it and mount the partition again |
| 18:45.19 | jmad980 | depends what you're going to do with it I guess |
| 18:45.21 | seisatsu | What do I do? |
| 18:45.29 | jhutchins | upIRC: Try playing with the balance slider. |
| 18:45.36 | jmad980 | seisatsu: wait for the next release, or use toilet testing |
| 18:45.38 | jmad980 | ;) |
| 18:45.52 | jhutchins | Devastator: Why do you want a seperate partition? |
| 18:45.58 | Devastator | because if something happens to the server, I can install it and mount the partition again |
| 18:46.00 | jmad980 | ++ |
| 18:46.04 | jmad980 | lol |
| 18:46.14 | jmad980 | if something happends, that old thing will be dead :p |
| 18:46.16 | seisatsu | I'll try the testing repo :> |
| 18:46.23 | jmad980 | :> |
| 18:46.30 | jhutchins | Devastator: You mean you're planning NOT to make regular backups? |
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| 18:47.29 | Devastator | jhutchins maybe, maybe not.. but it's easier to recover if something happens to the root install |
| 18:47.41 | Devastator | then I just need to reinstall and mount the partition, right? |
| 18:47.47 | upIRC | jhutchins: nope, ? |
| 18:48.06 | jhutchins | Devastator: Assuming it didn't affect the data partition. |
| 18:48.16 | jhutchins | Devastator: Really just as easy to do a clean install and restore from backup. |
| 18:48.42 | jhutchins | Devastator: I'm afraid you'll find that you don't have enough / space, or that you need some of it back. |
| 18:49.01 | jhutchins | Devastator: It's hard to know in advance unless you've run this kind of setup before. |
| 18:49.10 | Devastator | jhutchins that will be my test server, to prove of concept |
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| 18:49.58 | upIRC | hmm, it works, now and headphone jack :). I had to turn up the speaker. I thought that would be system speaker? |
| 18:50.10 | jhutchins | Devastator: In that case, make it all one partiton (+swap) until you really know how much space you need where. |
| 18:50.34 | jhutchins | Devastator: I managed a Gentoo server that got chopped up like that, and the problem was there wasn't enough space as Gentoo grew. |
| 18:50.43 | upIRC | yey, I'm all done, wifi, gfx and sound. |
| 18:51.13 | jhutchins | Devastator: I managed a web server, and since the www data directory and the mail spool were under the smaller system partition we had to get real creative with symlinking stuff into /home. |
| 18:51.26 | Devastator | jhutchins on the real server I will use the same idea, but there I have 320gb hdd, so I can put / on 100gb and 220gb to the shared partition |
| 18:51.40 | upIRC | Who said I had crap hardware? |
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| 18:51.55 | jhutchins | Devastator: Just speaking from experience, I don't recommend chopping it up. |
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| 18:53.26 | Devastator | jhutchins if I create, like /myshare, will be considered as part of /? |
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| 18:53.56 | jhutchins | Yes. |
| 18:53.58 | jmad980 | unless you mount /myshare as something |
| 18:54.13 | jhutchins | Devastator: Yeah, unless it's a mountpoint for another partition. |
| 18:54.22 | jhutchins | Devastator: That's essentially what I have. |
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| 18:55.19 | Devastator | well, I will try this way |
| 18:55.20 | jhutchins | Devastator: The server that replaced the gentoo box came with two drives (Dell's fake raid), so I put the system (/) on one, and /home, including /home/public, on the other. |
| 18:55.33 | jhutchins | I use the extra space on / to back up /home. |
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| 18:56.28 | jhutchins | I can do that though because after running for years, I know how much space is needed where and where and how fast it will grow. |
| 18:56.51 | Devastator | jhutchins well, it's a simple samba server |
| 18:57.03 | Devastator | I think 100gb is enough for / |
| 18:57.07 | jhutchins | So's this one, three Windows clients. |
| 18:57.08 | Devastator | on the real server.. |
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| 18:57.29 | jhutchins | Devastator: It's probably more than enough. |
| 18:57.58 | jhutchins | A linux system typically takes 4-6 GB, but then there's /var and /tmp. |
| 18:58.16 | zebradog | jhutchins, i'd say 7. |
| 18:58.25 | zebradog | and altogether |
| 18:58.36 | jhutchins | zebradog: Remember, this is without GUI. |
| 18:58.36 | zebradog | ya makka 15 giga on the harddriva |
| 18:58.56 | zebradog | jhutchins, without gui. 4. |
| 18:59.01 | Devastator | jhutchins I need to test samba read/write and wins server, it will run for a few hours |
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| 18:59.20 | zebradog | jhutchins, for userdata.. you allocate more space.. say website data.. that's another partition |
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| 18:59.48 | Lambertini_ | tarde! |
| 19:01.16 | Devastator | jhutchins, so, do you agree about creating a separated partition for the share? |
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| 19:02.26 | zebradog | Devastator, do you really need a wins server? |
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| 19:02.38 | Devastator | zebradog yes, I have 4 subnets |
| 19:02.50 | zebradog | Devastator, why not dns? |
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| 19:03.15 | Devastator | zebradog they need to see the computer on network neighborhood |
| 19:04.34 | jesselang | I'm trying to install Debian on a Lenovo Ideapad U350. I wanted to do a netinstall, but my wired adapter requires the tg3 driver with the broadcom module. The notebook has an intel wireless adapter, which also doesn't load in the install. |
| 19:05.33 | jesselang | I tried setting up a USB stick with the full lenny CD 1, but I can't get that to load either. |
| 19:06.14 | Devastator | zebradog can they see the computer on "network neighborhood" with dns? |
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| 19:07.29 | zebradog | Devastator, i don't see why not.. |
| 19:07.40 | lxsameer | does anyone use live-helper with testing ? |
| 19:08.06 | zebradog | Devastator, but if you want a master server for smb host stations, i'm guessing wins can do the job.. |
| 19:08.29 | Devastator | zebradog yes, that's it |
| 19:08.55 | jesselang | Where were those custom install USB images? |
| 19:08.58 | zebradog | Devastator, it would be too archaic to have broadcasts causing too much traffic just to get other hosts names |
| 19:09.50 | Devastator | zebradog what do you suggest then? |
| 19:11.40 | jesselang | Does anyone have any suggestions for me? I don't have a USB CD drive. |
| 19:11.49 | JyZyXEL | is there something that can visualize apt depencies? |
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| 19:26.23 | maher | does anyone have a working stable installation with gnome connect to server ssh working? |
| 19:27.34 | zebradog | maher, huh? |
| 19:27.46 | zebradog | maher, i know sftp can work with nautilus |
| 19:28.11 | maher | zebradog: i'm having problems with nautilus connecting over ssh/sftp and i'm looking for some help/advice on debugging this |
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| 19:29.28 | zebradog | maher, um.. you're probably either 1 check the firewalls on both sides, or you're not using the proper entries for the nautilus sftp connect |
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| 19:30.44 | Devastator | erm.. I couldn't find some kind info about computers on others subnets and appearing on "network neighborhood" |
| 19:31.14 | maher | zebradog: sftp server: works fine from the command line - i just choose file-> connect to server->from the nautlus window... |
| 19:32.28 | smhar | can I install ebox: http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ in squeeze? |
| 19:33.06 | legis | After installing ttf-bitstream-vera, how do I make that font appear in xfontsel so I can use in a terminal? already restarted X and xlsfonts doesn't list it either |
| 19:33.47 | legis | in squeeze |
| 19:34.21 | Devastator | jhutchins still there? |
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| 19:37.03 | moldovean | Devastator, hmm, seems earlier installed a server w/o X |
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| 19:39.02 | Devastator | moldovean what? |
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| 19:42.53 | moldovean | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.15 | maher | bah konqueror works just fine |
| 19:43.39 | Devastator | moldovean I mean the clients |
| 19:43.52 | Devastator | the clients needs to see the server on network neighborhood |
| 19:47.42 | moldovean | yes, but on same net(or subnet) |
| 19:48.07 | Devastator | yes, but isn't my case |
| 19:48.19 | moldovean | so, no |
| 19:48.20 | Devastator | that's why I'm thinking of using wins server |
| 19:48.38 | jesselang | When making your own USB stick, do I need to copy over the files found here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
| 19:48.40 | Vorbote | legis, you need to install xfs, add the fontpaths to its configuration and generate the needed .dir, .scale and .alias files. |
| 19:48.52 | jesselang | vmlinuz and initrd.gz |
| 19:49.14 | Vorbote | legis: most font packages already have the .dir and .scale files though. |
| 19:49.16 | jesselang | Nope. hd-media. |
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| 19:50.40 | legis | Vorbote: I'll give it a look, thanks. |
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| 19:53.18 | legis | Vorbote: those must be in the font dir right? |
| 19:53.25 | Argafal | if i query `free -m` i see a huge amount of memory used. i also see swap being used and i don't understand WHY and WHAT for. top doesn't show anything and i just killed my session to make sure there isn't anything running. memory is still used up to the max... how to analyse? |
| 19:53.32 | Devastator | I'm partitioning a disk, should swap be primary or logical? |
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| 19:56.56 | zebradog | Devastator, it doesn't care actually |
| 19:57.13 | zebradog | Devastator, it can even be on another physical disk |
| 19:57.39 | Devastator | primary it is |
| 19:57.49 | Devastator | now, beggining or end? |
| 19:57.58 | zebradog | Devastator, i would use gpt.. dosmbr should be going extinct.. |
| 19:58.18 | Devastator | i'm on the installer |
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| 19:58.58 | zebradog | Devastator, i said it's very flexible, you can make it anywhere |
| 19:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: samba runs a wins server by default, I think. Mostly it makes it easier for the Windows boxes to see each other. To see the PDC you should have a domain entry in your DNS. |
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| 19:59.47 | Devastator | jhutchins I use it as a workgroup heh |
| 20:00.07 | Vorbote | legis: Yes, in the font dir. |
| 20:00.30 | legis | Vorbote: how do you generate those files? |
| 20:00.32 | zebradog | yeah, i think i remember that, you can use a Wins specifier as part of a dhcp-offer or something.. |
| 20:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: Running the server as a wins master also prevents the windows boxes from having packet storms vying to become the primary master browser. |
| 20:00.42 | Vorbote | legis: use mkfontdir and mkfontscale |
| 20:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: If you run DHCP from the server, you can set the master and the client type to reduce traffic. |
| 20:01.04 | legis | Vorbote: ok |
| 20:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | Vorbote: Shouldn't the package handle that? |
| 20:01.27 | Devastator | jhutchins dhcp is from the router |
| 20:01.45 | Vorbote | jhutchins_lt: only with some. It seems most truetype fonts don't have it in the postinstall. |
| 20:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: You can still add the wins client type parameter and such. |
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| 20:02.01 | jhutchins_lt | Vorbote: The xfs package should. |
| 20:02.19 | zebradog | Devastator, i believe if u add wins specifier in the dhcp offer, you automatically get the WINS setting for the dhcp clients |
| 20:02.29 | Vorbote | jhutchins_lt: But only for already installed fonts I think? |
| 20:02.42 | Devastator | zebradog yes, option 6 i believe |
| 20:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | Vorbote: I've never had to deal with anything manually. |
| 20:04.06 | legis | Vorbote: I run those in the fonts dir right? after should I restart X? |
| 20:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.13 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.16 | Vorbote | jhutchins_lt: As X11 has used fontconfig internally for 6 or 7 years now, using xfs is a relic that only goes to show how much of a fossil you are, if you know how to use it... :-) |
| 20:04.42 | jhutchins_lt | is ancient. |
| 20:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | can sight-read punch tape. |
| 20:05.10 | Devastator | jesus christ.. |
| 20:05.48 | Vroomfondle | I learned recently that our HR department receives timesheets on punch-cards from some part-time staff, and then they manually read them and enter them into a computer. |
| 20:05.52 | Devastator | now when I try to commit the changes to the drive I get device busy :| |
| 20:05.57 | Vorbote | legis: X uses fontconfig so you should use "fc-cache -s" instead and you don't really need .dir files for that. (The question is, do you really need xfs...?) |
| 20:05.59 | Vroomfondle | which is a special kind of ancient. |
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| 20:06.35 | Vorbote | legis: I thought you were trying something like GNUStep... |
| 20:06.37 | jhutchins_lt | Vroomfondle: Special. |
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| 20:08.11 | legis | Vorbote: I just one to use some font in a terminal but xfontsel doesn't show it |
| 20:08.20 | legis | s/one/want |
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| 20:10.23 | Vorbote | legis: xfontsel is pretty much antiquated. Not being able to load scable fonts directly it a consequence of that. Are you trying to use XTerm? |
| 20:10.40 | legis | Vorbote: yes |
| 20:11.45 | legis | Vorbote: uxterm |
| 20:12.30 | lindi- | do you know a light-weight X terminal emulator that'd support clipboard? |
| 20:13.01 | pflanze | urxvt is nice. Not sure about clipboard. |
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| 20:13.27 | Vorbote | legis: you can use any font you want with XTerm. Say, you can load it with "uxterm -fn monospace-10". The man page gives you all the dirty little secrets. |
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| 20:13.53 | lindi- | pflanze: I think uxterm only does primary selection |
| 20:14.07 | legis | Vorbote: the man page for the font? |
| 20:14.13 | Vorbote | legis: or something like that. I haven't used xterm in a long time. |
| 20:14.46 | pflanze | urxvt != uxterm |
| 20:15.06 | pflanze | lindi-: ^ |
| 20:15.28 | lindi- | pflanze: ok |
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| 20:16.23 | Vorbote | legis: I was talking about the man page for xterm. The man page for the font, that would be fontconfig's manual "/usr/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html" |
| 20:16.23 | Devastator | great, now I don't have a working system to download the iso and install won't find it :( |
| 20:16.38 | legis | Vorbote: the problem is finding the correct string to 'xterm -fn ' |
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| 20:18.05 | Vorbote | legis: use fc-list. The name can be as it appears in the list enclosed in quotes or lowercased and joined by hypens. |
| 20:18.55 | Vorbote | legis: OK, this works: uxterm -fa "DejaVu Sans Mono" -fs 13 |
| 20:19.42 | Vorbote | legis: Of course, you can make it a default config by editing $HOME/.Xdefaults and adding the needed resource strings. |
| 20:20.26 | Vorbote | legis: this works as well: uxterm -fa dejavu-sans-mono -fs 13 |
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| 20:22.30 | legis | Vorbote: yeah both work, thanks, I can set the default font for the terminal in .Xdefaults? :) |
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| 20:23.24 | Vorbote | legis: yes. Check the xterm man page for the right use. (*.vt100.faceName and *.vt100.faceSize) |
| 20:23.44 | FoxM | Hi. I need to download the usb-modeswitch and usb-modeswitch-data packages to install it in another machine. I was thinking of downloading the .deb packages and install them with dpkg -i but I cannot find the -deb files... is there any way to find them or build them? or can I look for them in another machine that already has the software installed? |
| 20:24.06 | legis | Vorbote: ok |
| 20:24.12 | Vorbote | legis: afterwards you'll need to merge the resources into the running session with xrdb |
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| 20:24.53 | pflanze | How do you access the gnome clipboard? |
| 20:24.53 | Vorbote | legis: but just if you want to use the new settings right away. Else, they will be enforced in the next session. |
| 20:24.55 | legis | Vorbote: Ok, I'll read up more about .Xdefaults |
| 20:25.10 | pflanze | The one that comes bundled with Gnome. |
| 20:25.12 | Vorbote | legis: Good luck! |
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| 20:25.18 | legis | Vorbote: thanks! |
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| 20:26.01 | FoxM | I found it... :P in the packages.debian.org |
| 20:26.03 | edocpord | if there is no linux driver for my USB wireless adapter am I totally out of luck? or is there something else I can try? |
| 20:26.09 | lindi- | pflanze: gnome clipboard? |
| 20:26.14 | edocpord | its this adapter: http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=509530 |
| 20:26.30 | edocpord | is there like, some kind of generic realtek wireless driver that I could try or something |
| 20:26.30 | pflanze | lindi-: the x clipboard that's active when you run the gnome desktop |
| 20:26.55 | lindi- | pflanze: yep it's called "clipboard" |
| 20:27.04 | Chris3025 | if someone can help out, im trying to do a netinstall of the latest debian (5.0.4) and my PCMCIA nic isn't recognized, my card is the 3C574-TX |
| 20:27.17 | lindi- | pflanze: iki.fi/lindi/xcutselprint will print the contents of all X related selections/clipboard/cutbuffers |
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| 20:29.12 | pflanze | lindi-: I'm talking about the clipboard manager, which is a daemon that stores the clipboard contents |
| 20:29.33 | moldovean | parcellite - A lightweight GTK+ clipboard manager |
| 20:29.52 | lindi- | pflanze: is that normally running nowadays? |
| 20:30.05 | pflanze | moldovean: I'm asking about the one that comes bundled with Gnome |
| 20:31.34 | pflanze | lindi-: run xclipboard and you'll see that one is running already |
| 20:31.58 | Chris3025 | if someone can help out, im trying to do a netinstall of the latest debian (5.0.4) and my PCMCIA nic isn't recognized, my card is the 3C574-TX |
| 20:32.31 | pflanze | lindi-: also, why were you criticizing [some x terminal] for not having clipboard support, if you're not talking about multiple selection support? |
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| 20:33.26 | lindi- | pflanze: i don't know what multiple selection support is |
| 20:33.44 | lindi- | pflanze: I just want to have a terminal that has some method of pasting the contents of clipboard as input |
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| 20:33.58 | wumba | Hello there |
| 20:34.03 | pflanze | Why isn't the mouse selection not enough for that, lindi- ? |
| 20:34.14 | lindi- | pflanze: that is primary selection |
| 20:34.27 | pflanze | yes, why is the primary selection not good for that? |
| 20:34.33 | pflanze | Just wondering. |
| 20:34.37 | lindi- | pflanze: because it's pretty difficult to use on a touchscreen |
| 20:34.46 | pflanze | ah |
| 20:34.53 | lindi- | pflanze: and i don't want to use two different systems |
| 20:35.00 | wumba | Can anyone reccomend an PCI-X 8 Port Sata raid controller that provides easy driver installation and drive status? |
| 20:35.01 | lindi- | pflanze: it's confusing. everything else I use uses clipboard |
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| 20:35.30 | lindi- | pflanze: I also need to use the mouse |
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| 20:35.49 | pflanze | well you need the mouse to select text on an x terminal anyway, right? |
| 20:36.00 | wumba | Looking @ HP Smart Array P600 ... anyone w/ experience? |
| 20:36.01 | pflanze | or touchscreen |
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| 20:36.25 | pflanze | I mean, you can't select text through keyboard use. |
| 20:36.36 | tharkun | I need to make a machine which has no printers connect to a central cups server I checked everything that you might imagine and still no luck. Does anyone know how to do it? |
| 20:36.46 | lindi- | pflanze: in a terminal yes but in gedit I can just select text with keyboard too |
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| 20:37.02 | lindi- | pflanze: of course it'd be great to have a terminal that supported selecting text with keyboard too |
| 20:37.07 | lindi- | pflanze: screen is one |
| 20:37.15 | lindi- | pflanze: but I'm looking for an X program |
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| 20:39.36 | pflanze | lindi-: well cheap solution?: write a script to copy the primary selection to the clipboard, and bind that to some function key? |
| 20:39.54 | pflanze | So you select the text on the terminal, then hit that function key. |
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| 20:41.06 | pflanze | Should be trivial to do with "xsel", and looks pretty clean to me. |
| 20:42.36 | pflanze | lindi-: if you happen to find out how to trigger running a program when input focus leaves the terminal, you could even do it automatically without needing the function key. |
| 20:42.59 | Devastator | I have a computer with a broken cdrom, so I downloaded vmlinuz, initrd.gz and the iso, rebooted, but when I was partitioning the hdd, it said it couldn't commit changes to disk until reboot because device or resource was busy, I rebooted and now I don't have a working system, only "newinstall" |
| 20:43.17 | Devastator | so, my only option is to find a working hdd, correct? |
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| 20:43.59 | pflanze | Devastator: does your computer support booting from usb? |
| 20:44.28 | Devastator | pflanze unfortunately no |
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| 20:45.00 | nutron | Can fai be used to handle diskless desktop clients? |
| 20:45.31 | pflanze | Devastator: then it's getting dim. You might be able to boot the system from grub in the boot screen. |
| 20:45.58 | Devastator | pflanze I can't.. kernel panic :( |
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| 20:46.34 | pflanze | Devastator: grub doesn't do kernel panics. Are you using grub as bootloader? |
| 20:46.42 | Devastator | lilo |
| 20:47.02 | pflanze | aha. Hum, I don't remember for sure but iirc you can't do much from the lilo prompt. |
| 20:47.56 | lindi- | pflanze: I have that cheap solution yes |
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| 20:48.10 | lindi- | pflanze: pasting is just bit slow in that solution |
| 20:48.30 | pflanze | With xsel? I never noticed that being slow. |
| 20:48.38 | lindi- | pflanze: pasting does not work with xsel |
| 20:48.40 | pflanze | (Although I'm admittedly on a 2.5 Ghz machine) |
| 20:48.47 | pflanze | How doesn't work? |
| 20:48.50 | lindi- | pflanze: I'm use xdotool for that I think, on 400 MHz ARM |
| 20:49.03 | pflanze | I'm using xsel in both directions and it sure works for me? |
| 20:49.26 | lindi- | pflanze: how do you paste with xsel? |
| 20:49.49 | pflanze | What I'm doing is in essence: XAUTHORITY="$outerxauth" xsel -o |XAUTHORITY="$tmpfile" xsel -i |
| 20:49.55 | lindi- | $ cat bin/clipboard-paste | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:49.55 | lindi- | http://paste.debian.net/80179/ |
| 20:50.03 | lindi- | is what I use |
| 20:50.04 | pflanze | for copying the selection between the trusted X and normal X compartments |
| 20:50.21 | pflanze | with this in the other direction: XAUTHORITY="$tmpfile" xsel -o| XAUTHORITY="$outerxauth" xsel -i |
| 20:50.45 | pflanze | Let me check whether I patched xsel, I dimly remember I did. |
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| 20:51.51 | lindi- | pflanze: but "xsel -i" does not actually send the data to the application? |
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| 20:52.00 | lindi- | pflanze: it just puts it to selection? |
| 20:52.28 | pflanze | lindi-: yes, I patched xsel because it had a bug. http://paste.debian.net/80180/ |
| 20:52.47 | lindi- | pflanze: where's the bug report? |
| 20:53.08 | pflanze | lindi-: it puts it to selection or clipboard, and leaves it there as daemon until an app requests it, of course it can't *push* it into an app. |
| 20:53.35 | pflanze | I'm afraid I was too lazy for a bug report so far. |
| 20:53.45 | lindi- | pflanze: my solution pushes it to the app |
| 20:53.49 | pflanze | How?? |
| 20:53.52 | lindi- | pflanze: using xte to synthesise key events |
| 20:54.07 | pflanze | Uh. I see. |
| 20:54.14 | lindi- | pflanze: I could not find any other way |
| 20:54.21 | lindi- | pflanze: with touchscreen and xterm |
| 20:54.44 | pflanze | Well, if you find out how to trigger the script when you leave input focus from the terminal, then you wouldn't have a need to push. |
| 20:54.53 | pflanze | You'd just select, change focus to the other app, ctl-v |
| 20:55.03 | lindi- | pflanze: but xterm does not support ctrl-v |
| 20:55.12 | pflanze | No, that's the point of the script. |
| 20:55.21 | pflanze | Or do you mean, paste *into* xterm? |
| 20:55.25 | lindi- | yes |
| 20:55.32 | pflanze | aha. well. |
| 20:55.51 | pflanze | Not sure about that. Patch xterm? |
| 20:56.01 | pflanze | :) |
| 20:56.04 | lindi- | i tried, could not figure it out |
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| 20:57.09 | pflanze | Or maybe check out urxvt: not only do they have a version with scripting languages built in (but might be too bloaty for you), but also have an irc channel, so people might help you there |
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| 20:57.33 | pflanze | (to patch the non-scripted version) |
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| 21:00.11 | pflanze | lindi-: btw instead of synthesising single key strokes to replicate the message (which I guess is what you're doing), maybe you could generate a mouse click in the middle of the terminal window? |
| 21:01.19 | lindi- | pflanze: sounds ugly :) |
| 21:01.33 | pflanze | Well, not uglier than the key stroke replication I guess? |
| 21:01.59 | pflanze | Except I don't know how to generate these events, you're ahead here. |
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| 21:02.34 | leafwiz | Hey, I would like to map midde mouse to a shortcut, eg ctrl+v |
| 21:02.40 | leafwiz | in X11 |
| 21:03.00 | pflanze | Wow, how can this be coincidence? |
| 21:03.01 | leafwiz | I'm researching on xmodmap |
| 21:03.20 | lindi- | leafwiz: I just disabled my middle button so that I don't accidentally hit it on desktop :) |
| 21:03.31 | jmad980 | isn't middle mouse taken for pasting by X |
| 21:03.33 | lindi- | pflanze: if you know them on IRC you probably ask? |
| 21:03.34 | pflanze | well--leafwiz: do you want to turn middle mouse into ctl-v or ctl-v into middle click? |
| 21:04.12 | pflanze | lindi-: I've found them very helpful when I started using urxvt about 2 years ago, haven't chatted with them +-ever since |
| 21:04.21 | leafwiz | pflanze, I would like to turn ctl-v into middle click. So I don't have to middle click when I want to paste something I have marked |
| 21:04.29 | lindi- | pflanze: there must be some reason why many terminal emulators don't support clipboard |
| 21:04.49 | pflanze | leafwiz: fun, that's exactly what I've been chatting with lindi about. |
| 21:04.56 | pflanze | almost. |
| 21:05.04 | leafwiz | pflanze, :P all'right cool |
| 21:05.20 | leafwiz | pflanze, you found an answer? |
| 21:05.25 | Parabola | i have a directory of files that i want bziped, however i want each within its own archive, is there a way to do that |
| 21:05.51 | pflanze | lindi-: I think it's just that primary selection makes a lot of sense for a terminal (since you can't just jump around with normal keys because those need to go to the app inside the terminal, you need the mouse anyway), |
| 21:05.52 | tharkun | Parabola: Do a script |
| 21:06.17 | Parabola | tharkun that doesnt help me |
| 21:06.23 | Parabola | if i knew a good way to do it i wouldnt have asked |
| 21:06.24 | pflanze | and for historical reasons (terminals have been around since the beginning of X and I think ctl-c ctl-v hasn't been so popular then?) |
| 21:06.41 | lindi- | pflanze: yet xterm supports things like shift-insert |
| 21:06.58 | petemc | pflanze: ls | while read ; do bzip2 $REPLY ; done |
| 21:06.59 | tharkun | refrains from doing the one liner |
| 21:06.59 | pflanze | leafwiz: problem is you can't just always map ctl-v to middle click, that would hurt you in many cases |
| 21:07.29 | lindi- | pflanze: probably but there must be some reason why people haven't been adding that support later :) it's really confusing |
| 21:07.32 | leafwiz | pflanze, mm.. I see. Well I can map it to something else.. |
| 21:07.50 | leafwiz | capslock-f |
| 21:07.51 | pflanze | lindi-: hey well that pastes, so what else are you looking for?? |
| 21:07.53 | leafwiz | :p |
| 21:08.06 | Parabola | :( |
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| 21:08.08 | lindi- | pflanze: it does not use clipboard :) |
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| 21:08.32 | pflanze | lindi-: yes but for that just convert selection to clipboard, when a terminal gets focus? |
| 21:08.34 | Parabola | can someone please hlep |
| 21:08.36 | Parabola | google was of no use |
| 21:08.41 | pflanze | lindi-: ehr other way round |
| 21:08.42 | leafwiz | I just need the prog that prints out the keycode on the pressedkey |
| 21:08.44 | Parabola | of course windows has winrar which does all this really easy |
| 21:08.51 | Parabola | i know bzip has to be able to do this |
| 21:08.54 | lindi- | pflanze: it's bit stupid if I need an extra daemon to be able to use a terminal emulator still :) |
| 21:08.55 | pflanze | leafwiz: xev |
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| 21:09.07 | petemc | Parabola: ls | while read ; do bzip2 $REPLY ; done |
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| 21:09.17 | petemc | wrong nick previously.. |
| 21:09.26 | peterrooney | leafwiz: showkey |
| 21:09.31 | pflanze | lindi-: yeah, but probably ok for experimenting and writing a precise feature request and then waiting for it to be implemented? |
| 21:09.33 | Parabola | petemc will that keep the original file? |
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| 21:09.40 | Parabola | thats very clever btw :) |
| 21:09.53 | lindi- | pflanze: I could file a wishlist bug yes |
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| 21:10.14 | petemc | Parabola: no, it wont keep originals |
| 21:10.19 | Parabola | k i added -k |
| 21:10.22 | Parabola | that should take care of that :)( |
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| 21:10.56 | Parabola | yup its working |
| 21:10.57 | Parabola | :D |
| 21:11.03 | Parabola | how the hell did you come up with that |
| 21:11.09 | pflanze | lindi-: the real remaining question is how to trigger a program when some program is getting or losing input focus, I don't know how to do that yet (but wish I knew) |
| 21:12.06 | lindi- | pflanze: how do I change focus with a touschreen easily anyway? |
| 21:12.15 | petemc | Parabola: while read is very useful |
| 21:12.39 | pflanze | lindi-: huh, if you change to another app then the focus changes to that app? |
| 21:13.34 | lindi- | pflanze: ok but with gnome-terminal I can click the menu and choose "paste". now with xterm i'd do what? |
| 21:13.44 | pflanze | shift-insert as you said? |
| 21:13.51 | lindi- | but i don't have a keyboard either :) |
| 21:14.01 | lindi- | sorry if I Was bit unclear here |
| 21:14.16 | lindi- | I just have a minimal virtual keyboard that lacks for example insert |
| 21:14.18 | pflanze | Uh, but you *need* to signal to the system somehow that you want to paste, no? |
| 21:14.29 | pflanze | aha |
| 21:14.31 | lindi- | pflanze: yes i use icewm menu to run that xte stuff |
| 21:15.01 | lindi- | I don't see any upstream bug tracker for xterm |
| 21:15.13 | pflanze | lindi-: I wonder, have you checked that new touchscreen capable ubuntu? They must have solved these questions. |
| 21:15.25 | lindi- | pflanze: but ubuntu has non-free stuff :) |
| 21:15.30 | lindi- | pflanze: and they can just use gnome-terminal |
| 21:15.49 | lindi- | pflanze: gnome-terminal works perfectly in this setting. it just uses more memory than i'd like |
| 21:16.02 | pflanze | I see, and I don't like gnome terminal either. |
| 21:16.19 | lindi- | it's otherwise quite ok |
| 21:16.31 | lindi- | if it used say 2M of memory :) |
| 21:16.32 | pipeline | mrxvt is the cutting edge on xterm-derivative stone-age terminals |
| 21:16.38 | pipeline | terrible broken unicode support, but other than that... |
| 21:16.43 | pipeline | lindi-: actually gnome-terminal uses around 2M of memory |
| 21:16.51 | pipeline | lindi-: most of the "used" memory you see is either shared libraries or font cache |
| 21:17.06 | lindi- | pipeline: rss is 13M here |
| 21:17.16 | pflanze | lindi-: what action do they require for pasting into gnome-terminal? |
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| 21:17.22 | pflanze | popup menue? |
| 21:17.23 | lindi- | while xterm is 3M |
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| 21:17.42 | lindi- | pflanze: ctrl-shift-v or right click menu or normal menu |
| 21:18.01 | pflanze | and you can enter ctl-shift-v from the virtual keyboard? |
| 21:18.08 | lindi- | pflanze: I can yes |
| 21:18.24 | pflanze | ok, then maybe you could just modify xterm to require that instead of shift-insert? |
| 21:18.37 | pflanze | That should be easy enough once you find out where. |
| 21:18.53 | pipeline | lindi-: rss will include shared memory and font cache |
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| 21:19.13 | lindi- | pflanze: sure |
| 21:19.32 | pipeline | lindi-: xterm doesn't have any shared libraries, and there's no font cache because it doesn't use client-side fonts |
| 21:19.34 | pflanze | pipeline: I'm not using gnome-terminal for basically the same reason: much too much memory use, at least when running a new instance for each terminal. |
| 21:19.48 | pipeline | I'll be damned xterm does use libxcb |
| 21:19.51 | lindi- | pflanze: i'm ok with server side fonts :) |
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| 21:20.03 | pipeline | pflanze: the numbers reported by 'ps' can be very deceptive |
| 21:20.13 | pipeline | not to mention |
| 21:20.21 | lindi- | pflanze: I don't remmber the details but i spent a few hours trying to configure xterm to behave like I want |
| 21:20.24 | pipeline | we live in an age when embedded boards you buy for twenty bucks have 64M of RAM |
| 21:20.25 | pflanze | pipeline: I measured by running many instances and checking "free", and swapping. |
| 21:20.27 | pipeline | I'm very hard pressed to care |
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| 21:20.44 | pflanze | pipeline: I was on a laptop with 2G of ram and cared. |
| 21:20.51 | lindi- | pflanze: Shift Ctrl <KeyPress> v:insert-selection(CLIPBOARD) works |
| 21:20.55 | pipeline | pflanze: then you're a jackass, congratulations are in order. |
| 21:21.00 | lindi- | pflanze: i think the trouble was how to make copy work |
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| 21:21.18 | pflanze | pipeline: thanks, you too I guess |
| 21:22.07 | lindi- | pipeline: but surely loading just one copy of libgtk will add to the memory consumption |
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| 21:23.02 | pflanze | leave him alone, he doesn't care about what people *are* experiencing. |
| 21:23.36 | lindi- | pflanze: so. I had Shift<Btn1Down>:select-start()\n\ |
| 21:23.41 | lindi- | pflanze: ! Shift<Btn1Motion>:select-extend()\n\ |
| 21:23.50 | lindi- | pflanze: ! Shift<Btn1Up>:select-end(CLIPBOARD) \n\ |
| 21:24.15 | lindi- | pflanze: the problem with this is that it overwrite the contents of clipboard after I have selected text |
| 21:24.24 | ScottG | Is it ok to use an Ubuntu .deb on regular Debian? |
| 21:24.28 | lindi- | pflanze: I want to be able to select text and then use some shortcut to actually copy it |
| 21:24.43 | lindi- | pflanze: otherwise if I accidentally select even one character the contents of clipboard will be destroyed |
| 21:25.09 | lindi- | pflanze: so I'd need a way to copy primary selection to clipboard when I use some shortcut |
| 21:25.17 | lindi- | pflanze: i didn't find such a function from xterm at least |
| 21:25.32 | pflanze | use xsel for that?... |
| 21:26.12 | lindi- | pflanze: could xterm spawn an external command? |
| 21:26.23 | pflanze | no, but you can bind keys from the window manager. |
| 21:26.34 | pflanze | well, maybe it can, I don't know |
| 21:26.46 | lindi- | pflanze: I'd still like to have this is xterm menu |
| 21:27.43 | pflanze | I can't help you with that. |
| 21:28.03 | moldovean | ScottG, no |
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| 21:30.41 | ScottG | moldovean: What about using a deb for stable when I am in testing? |
| 21:31.36 | moldovean | ScottG, it depends of package , which one ? |
| 21:32.22 | ScottG | moldovean: Skype |
| 21:32.56 | moldovean | ScottG, never tried, but guess is ok |
| 21:33.26 | ScottG | Ye |
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| 21:42.03 | cristi8 | hi.. in witch case a process goes defunct? i have "[my_process_name] <defunct>" in process list |
| 21:42.31 | petemc | !defunct |
| 21:42.31 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 21:43.24 | cristi8 | and how can i find out who is the parent? |
| 21:43.33 | cristi8 | this process gets called from multiple places |
| 21:43.46 | pflanze | ps auxf |
| 21:44.39 | pflanze | or: grep -i ppid /proc/$pid/status |
| 21:45.32 | cristi8 | oh, the parent is "python /usr/bin/cgmailservice", that calls my command when new mail arrives. i guess that app is buggy (it's from lenny's repository btw) |
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| 21:46.33 | pflanze | as already said, you don't need to worry about zombies unless they are really many |
| 21:47.33 | pflanze | in the latter case they might overcome you |
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| 21:49.14 | cristi8 | oh, i can see that it only leaves one defunct (and the previous one dissapears).. new pid of defunct after each notification |
| 21:49.20 | cristi8 | so i guess it's no problemo |
| 21:49.30 | cristi8 | thanks |
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| 21:57.31 | x1250 | Hello people. I just realized that logcheck can't read syslog. There is a logcheck user and group, and syslog can be read by root and adm. So, is it ok to add logcheck to adm? |
| 21:58.00 | petemc | thats the standard way to allow anything to access logs |
| 21:58.15 | x1250 | ok, thanks |
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| 22:06.57 | leafwiz | pflanze, I found out how to do a paste with the keyboard |
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| 22:07.15 | pflanze | cool, how? |
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| 22:08.24 | leafwiz | pflanze, xmodmap -e "keycode 107 = 0xfe76" |
| 22:08.37 | leafwiz | pflanze, xmodmap -e "keycode 78 = 0xfeea" |
| 22:09.36 | leafwiz | It's a tad clunkey.. Like there are defined an extended keyset in x11. So the first is #define XK_MouseKeys_Enable 0xfe76 |
| 22:09.49 | leafwiz | the second is #define XK_Pointer_Button2 0xfeea |
| 22:10.00 | pflanze | How did you find out the 0xfe76 and 0xfeea codes? Are these special copy and paste codes? |
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| 22:10.04 | leafwiz | source: vi /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h |
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| 22:10.15 | lindi- | leafwiz: you want to use that with any app or just xterm? |
| 22:10.26 | leafwiz | any ap |
| 22:10.29 | leafwiz | app |
| 22:10.46 | leafwiz | it's part of the remapping of keys |
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| 22:11.59 | aguitel_ | i make safe-upgrade in squeeze and hdparm get error ,how configure hdparm? |
| 22:12.15 | leafwiz | So all the codes are defined in /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h |
| 22:14.24 | pflanze | leafwiz: what are keycodes 78 and 107? |
| 22:14.44 | leafwiz | they are for PrtSc, and Scroll_Lock |
| 22:15.02 | pflanze | ok |
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| 22:23.36 | pflanze | leafwiz: I'm trying xmodmap -e "keycode 41 = 0xfeea", to map the search button to button 2, but that doesn't work |
| 22:23.59 | pflanze | what is the other mapping good or? |
| 22:25.04 | pflanze | ahh, using the other mapping at irst makes it work. Ugh, I've lost my f key now |
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| 22:28.39 | pflanze | How do you remove the mappings? |
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| 22:33.01 | rabbitear | hi |
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| 22:33.39 | rabbitear | does anybody use this place anymore? |
| 22:34.19 | jmad980 | no |
| 22:34.22 | jmad980 | :) |
| 22:34.31 | pflanze | Ok, got f back with xmodmap -e "keycode 41 = 0x66", seems "Search" is actually just using f. |
| 22:35.28 | aguitel | anyone know how configure hdparm ? |
| 22:35.56 | rabbitear | aguitel: hdparm --help |
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| 22:36.38 | pflanze | he's talking about /etc/hdparm.conf I guess; I'm just using shell scripts that run hdparm, from sysv init. |
| 22:36.48 | rabbitear | aguitel: nobody reads a 20 year old joystick manual |
| 22:37.20 | pflanze | .oO(joystick manual?) |
| 22:37.39 | rabbitear | I shouldn't respond, I just wanted to talk |
| 22:37.50 | aguitel | rabbitear, i make safe-upgrade in my laptop and error occurs with hdparm |
| 22:38.16 | rabbitear | aguitel: don't use it then |
| 22:38.40 | rabbitear | aguitel: I'm not gonna even bother asking what your doing |
| 22:38.55 | pflanze | Be silent, then. |
| 22:39.01 | rabbitear | aguitel: but I don't think you can mess up current harddrives with hdparm |
| 22:39.13 | rabbitear | aguitel: you are reading old stuff |
| 22:39.44 | rabbitear | pflanze: well you don't have too |
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| 22:41.55 | rabbitear | I forgot, I just forgot, I forget, on purpose |
| 22:42.02 | rabbitear | don't wanna remember at all |
| 22:42.10 | rabbitear | don't with it.. |
| 22:42.15 | rabbitear | see |
| 22:42.17 | rabbitear | done with it. |
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| 22:45.48 | moldovean | aguitel, what's mounted on "/" ? paste only that line from "df -h" |
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| 22:49.33 | nutron | anyone know why sabayon is not available in lenny? Although it's available in etch and squeeze/sid? |
| 22:50.04 | Sebby | hello, i`ve installed debian 5 as server from 1CD, and i need some compilation tools like FLEX, BISON,LEX YACC .. ii was wondering if i can find them on a debian CD ( eg on ftp CD3 or CD4) |
| 22:51.23 | moldovean | thake them from net repos |
| 22:51.35 | moldovean | takes* |
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| 22:51.54 | rabbitear | they got to be on like CD1 |
| 22:52.02 | rabbitear | mostly .... |
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| 22:52.15 | rabbitear | I can't see debian changing that... |
| 22:52.40 | rabbitear | seriously |
| 22:52.48 | rabbitear | please correct me |
| 22:53.13 | rabbitear | but I really doubt that debian of all things, would put stuff like CD 9 |
| 22:53.21 | rabbitear | to compile things... |
| 22:53.22 | moldovean | !cd contents |
| 22:53.22 | dpkg | [The searchable index is unavailable as of 2010-06-07] To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 22:53.33 | rabbitear | its most likely on CD1 |
| 22:53.46 | rabbitear | brb |
| 22:54.06 | rabbitear | I heard my on voice coughing |
| 22:54.38 | rabbitear | but you are on the note too Sebby it seems .. |
| 22:56.17 | Sebby | ? |
| 22:56.47 | Sebby | i don`t have internet acces at home so is little dificult .. |
| 22:57.06 | tharkun | simonrvn: well, the problem was not on cups. the problem was on rpc.statd which binded to port udp 631 so cups could not get it. Making things a little harder to trace. |
| 22:57.11 | moldovean | !apt-zip |
| 22:57.11 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 22:57.34 | simonrvn | ah ok. how odd. |
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| 22:58.08 | tharkun | simonrvn: it seems it calls portmap wich in turn assigns an unused port to it. It is a matter of telling portmap not to use 631 whenever cups is installed |
| 22:58.26 | simonrvn | yeh, or use a fixed port |
| 22:59.09 | tharkun | I'll write it down on my todo list for monday. I am kind of tired of beeing in the office :) |
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| 23:00.18 | leafwiz | hey, I would like to print a character from a script using the keycode, or the keysym |
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| 23:12.51 | Tired | he's kind of me? |
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| 23:14.53 | mh_ | hi.. u have made a misconfiguration of my OS, by an accident i chose DVORAK keyboard.. now i cannot change it back to qwerty, someone that can help? its only for my xsession i have the problem.. |
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| 23:15.47 | mh_ | i can run the command.. setxkbmap <LANG>, but that will only fix the problem for one session.. are someone how know what i can do to permanently set my keyboard to qwerty? |
| 23:16.03 | rabbitear | you can type faster tho |
| 23:16.18 | simonrvn | we didn't do anything. you did. |
| 23:16.34 | rabbitear | you won't either |
| 23:16.41 | rabbitear | he's typing just fine |
| 23:17.07 | rabbitear | I have done that before actually |
| 23:17.37 | mh_ | well.. im sitting with my laptop and typing, and i can type very well in the console.. only when im in x i have the problem |
| 23:17.41 | rabbitear | but it was on purpose at the time, and people where saying Oh My GOD! |
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| 23:18.03 | rabbitear | but I have forgotten how I did it |
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| 23:18.36 | mh_ | rabbitear: i have just read some posts from google pointing to that i have to put the line: setxkbmap in some profile or bashrc file.. or autostart.sh for openbox.. but i would perfer to change back to "default" :) |
| 23:18.49 | mh_ | rabbitear: well, thanks anyway i will have to do some more search |
| 23:18.56 | rabbitear | nope |
| 23:19.25 | simonrvn | try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or console-keymap |
| 23:19.28 | rabbitear | setxkbmap us but in the .bashrc is strange |
| 23:19.50 | mh_ | simonrvn: already tried.. and console-keymap will not affect x i guess |
| 23:19.55 | simonrvn | or set it in xorg.conf (if you have one) |
| 23:20.03 | rabbitear | mh_: it might be in the multiuser thing maybe |
| 23:20.08 | simonrvn | it does now (in some debian versions) |
| 23:20.48 | rabbitear | trying to make fun of me simonrvn ? |
| 23:20.58 | mh_ | simonrvn: well, i mentioned that.. and i would like to fix the issue by reset my os to qwerty, and not make a change.. there has to be some setting for xkb somewhere.. which i guess is what im looking for |
| 23:21.00 | rabbitear | I run arch these days... |
| 23:21.07 | rabbitear | just trying to help |
| 23:21.08 | simonrvn | rabbitear: no. get over yourself. |
| 23:21.15 | rabbitear | k |
| 23:21.47 | rabbitear | you can try and find grep for the word dvorka |
| 23:22.00 | mh_ | rabbitear: hmm.. multiuser thing? what are you thinking of? well i tried to log in as root, and he had the same "problem", by default he had set a dvorak keymap.. :/ |
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| 23:22.04 | rabbitear | thru /etc |
| 23:22.07 | mh_ | rabbitear: also already did :) |
| 23:22.14 | rabbitear | its been too long really |
| 23:22.15 | mh_ | rabbitear: only found in /etc/default/keyboard |
| 23:22.35 | mh_ | rabbitear: but.. that did not change anything to change this back to "qwerty" or "" |
| 23:22.36 | rabbitear | mh_: us |
| 23:22.41 | mh_ | rabbitear: hmm.. i can try |
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| 23:24.23 | mh_ | rabbitear: naah, it didnt work neither.. :/ |
| 23:25.26 | moldovean | mh_, try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 23:25.30 | mh_ | rabbitear: well i have "fixed" the issue by putting it in my autostart.sh for openbox, but its really just a nasty fix.. i could put it in my xorg, but that seems more like a fix too, and not quite a solution to get it back to "default" .. |
| 23:25.54 | mh_ | moldovean: already tried.. and i guess it does not have anything to do with x.. my console works just fine |
| 23:26.18 | mh_ | rabbitear: again thanks for the time.. i will do some more research :) |
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| 23:27.34 | moldovean | mh_, use gnome ? |
| 23:28.17 | mh_ | moldovean: and that is a fix? |
| 23:29.48 | moldovean | yes |
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| 23:31.00 | mh_ | yeh you are such a clever boy.. thanks for the suggestion, now my entire world rock.. thanks again |
| 23:31.03 | mh_ | errh |
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| 23:38.56 | moldovean | add to panel "Keyboard Indicator", open keyboard preferences applet , enter Layouts> click "+ ADD" > in "Layout" choose "USA" in "Variants" choose "Default" (instead Dvorak) |
| 23:39.03 | moldovean | mh_, ^^ |
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| 23:41.56 | mh_ | moldovean: again.. i wanted to find the reason of why the default charset is dvorak, right now if i add an another user i will have to do it again and again and again... and again.. so, its not really a help but thanks for the time |
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| 23:53.48 | nuovodna | hi, are there any repository for kde 4.4.92 ?? |
| 23:55.21 | simonrvn | why? |
| 23:55.27 | jordanm | ,versions kdebase |
| 23:55.30 | judd | kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:63; squeeze: 5:63 |
| 23:56.04 | simonrvn | ,versions kdelibs |
| 23:56.06 | judd | kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3 |
| 23:56.17 | jordanm | hehe |
| 23:56.18 | simonrvn | hmm, named something else now... |
| 23:56.28 | simonrvn | i like kde 3 ;p |
| 23:56.31 | nuovodna | i d like to try the new kde 4.5 rc2 release....i hoped it was available in experimental |
| 23:56.36 | nuovodna | ,versions kdelibs5 |
| 23:56.38 | judd | kdelibs5 -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; sid: 4:4.4.4-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.4-2 |
| 23:56.50 | simonrvn | wait a while nuovodna ;) |
| 23:56.58 | nuovodna | yep. |
| 23:57.22 | bzed | nuovodna: or check old posts from planet debian, somebody from the kde team blogged about the kde plans for squeeze |
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| 23:58.40 | nuovodna | it seems that kde 4.4.x will be in squeeze |
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