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| 00:00.51 | wcs | hi there! |
| 00:00.52 | wcs | :D |
| 00:00.52 | greyfiend | qq what's the non-obsolete equiv? |
| 00:00.59 | qq- | greyfiend, use , X -configure :1 |
| 00:02.24 | greyfiend | qq Whoop! grafix!!! |
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| 00:03.10 | chewbranca | nsadmin, ahhhh nice, that should do the trick, glad to see that works with signals as well, I basically need to convert over this script to using start-stop-daemon: http://git.bogomips.org/cgit/unicorn.git/plain/examples/init.sh |
| 00:03.53 | nsadmin | lots of examples of use in /etc/init.d |
| 00:04.07 | nsadmin | in particular see README and skeleton |
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| 00:07.01 | chewbranca | nsadmin, excellent, skeleton makes that a lot easier to run with |
| 00:08.10 | b0nghitter | what is the best free control panel for a debian server? |
| 00:08.29 | nsadmin | ssh |
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| 00:08.34 | b0nghitter | besides cmdline |
| 00:08.38 | b0nghitter | and ssh :p |
| 00:09.03 | qq- | screen + ssh , then |
| 00:09.16 | b0nghitter | something to make dns/apache chit easy |
| 00:09.37 | nsadmin | it's the only one I use... it's automatically and intrinsically more flexible and less resource intensive than anything you'd have to add |
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| 00:09.45 | greyfiend | qq do i have to move that xorg.conf.new somewhere to make it apply? |
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| 00:10.22 | nsadmin | I think there is a dns configurator thingy but I forget what it's called |
| 00:10.26 | qq- | yes, command already you that |
| 00:10.33 | qq- | greyfiend, ^^ |
| 00:10.46 | qq- | command already told* |
| 00:11.01 | civillian | Hi all. While compiling Xen I'm getting a compile error "Package 'latex' is required to build documentation" however apt-get install latex doesn't match anything and apt-cache -n search latex | wc -l results in 71 packages. Which one do I install? |
| 00:11.30 | nsadmin | latex is huge |
| 00:11.36 | nsadmin | you sure you wanna go there? |
| 00:11.37 | civillian | :( doh |
| 00:11.46 | greyfiend | qq sorry? |
| 00:11.46 | civillian | perhaps not .... |
| 00:11.54 | rking | civillian: It's not that bad, but yeah, it brings in a good handful of dependencies. |
| 00:12.04 | nsadmin | basically latex depends on tex, which is a document postprocessor system |
| 00:12.08 | rking | civillian: I'm not 100% sure why it would be required, it's probably just compiling documentation |
| 00:12.14 | nsadmin | you could install texlive |
| 00:12.25 | civillian | Hmm. Space is at a premium here so maybe not the best idea. |
| 00:12.35 | qq- | greyfiend, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old ; cp /root/xorg.conf /etc/X11/ |
| 00:12.51 | civillian | ok thanks for all the replies guys! |
| 00:13.06 | nsadmin | civillian, you could always install/prepare the docs on a different system, or find an already prepared copy somewhere |
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| 00:13.32 | civillian | nsadmin, yeah I think I'm now looking for a compile option "nodocs" or something |
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| 00:14.22 | greyfiend | qq cheers :) |
| 00:14.59 | nsadmin | while you're looking into xen you might also look into kvm |
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| 00:15.42 | civillian | nsadmin, ok will do. does KVM allow non-linux machines to be virtualized? |
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| 00:16.09 | nsadmin | dunno the answer to that |
| 00:16.37 | civillian | I see that it does |
| 00:16.40 | civillian | google is so smart! |
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| 00:17.11 | greyfiend | cheers everyone, desktop environemnt is now up and running on a powerbook G4 and |'m off to bed! |
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| 00:17.33 | qq- | civillian, so answer is ? |
| 00:18.28 | civillian | qq-, http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status |
| 00:18.34 | civillian | is that what you were asking? |
| 00:19.09 | qq- | no, is what you were asking .. |
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| 00:20.39 | civillian | qq-, sorry mate not sure what you mean by that |
| 00:21.25 | nsadmin | wow, car accident right outside my window |
| 00:21.40 | civillian | nasty |
| 00:22.57 | qq- | civillian, you asked " does KVM allow non-linux machines to be virtualized?", you found the answer, and i asked , which answer was |
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| 00:23.58 | civillian | oh sorry qq- my previous post was <civillian> I see that it does [support other operating systems] |
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| 00:27.02 | qq- | civillian, that's ok , tks |
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| 00:40.36 | chewbranca | nsadmin, what's your thoughts on just running the command with su from the init script? just trying to understand if that has undesired consequences or if its a cleaner approach in this case |
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| 00:57.57 | jhutchins_lt | chewbranca: Um, what's the point of su in an init script? |
| 00:58.19 | chewbranca | jhutchins_lt, just to switch the user |
| 00:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. You should look at some of the daemons that alredy change users and how they do this. |
| 00:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | chewbranca: user other than root? |
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| 01:00.47 | Tired | use start-stop-daemon |
| 01:01.10 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: aren't all daemons started as root and after that they drop permissions? |
| 01:01.19 | tharkun | is no expert |
| 01:01.21 | chewbranca | yeah trying to run a web server as the deploy user, nsadmin recommended using start-stop-daemon, the web server has an existing init script that works if I change it to using su deploy -c "$CMD" instead of just $CMD, so I'm just wondering if that's a bad thing to do or not |
| 01:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: No, most run as root, but some start as root and drop to another user. Others start as the other user to begin with (usually configurable). |
| 01:03.47 | jhutchins_lt | I think one method is to stickybit the executable. |
| 01:06.04 | chewbranca | most daemons I've seen handle switching to the specific user based on their own config files, unfortunately, this web server does not seem to support that |
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| 01:11.00 | Tired | chewbranca, that kind of can't be - web servers have to run as root to use port 80 and they have to drop privileges to have a chance to be secure |
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| 01:12.37 | chewbranca | this is running just as a local web server that gets requests proxied to it over a socket |
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| 01:16.38 | jhutchins_lt | Tired: Might want to check what user apache2 runs as by default. |
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| 01:16.39 | liable | www-data |
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| 01:17.14 | jhutchins_lt | <*DING*><*DING*><*DING*>! |
| 01:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | !beer liable |
| 01:17.23 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for liable |
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| 01:18.46 | Zetas | ive RTFM'd all day |
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| 01:48.51 | komentarze_listy | hi, need help with a broken package. I did an apt-get upgrade... I was going to see a movie with mplayer, and then... mplayer: error while loading shared libraries. libvdau.so.1 |
| 01:49.14 | komentarze_listy | i took the package out of the system... tried again... but nothing. I didn't get it |
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| 01:49.54 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Hi, are you running 'Lenny' (Debian 5)? |
| 01:50.21 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: I'm running Squeeze |
| 01:51.28 | nsadmin | komentarze_listy, what were the specific problems you were trying to solve by upgrading |
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| 01:52.10 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: When you say upgrade, do you mean dist-upgrade, or a partial upgrade, or you started with Squeeze and thinks broke? |
| 01:52.14 | AgentSashole | s/thinks/things/ |
| 01:52.24 | komentarze_listy | any problem. I just did a upgrade. I mean with upgrade: apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 01:52.40 | nsadmin | well if things worked, why try to fix |
| 01:53.10 | AgentSashole | nsadmin: Things working well is boring ;P |
| 01:53.19 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: yes, but is strange to see an upgrade cracking a package :( |
| 01:53.59 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: You're running 'Squeeze', it's prone to breakage. |
| 01:54.05 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: It's Debian 'testing' |
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| 01:54.55 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: I'd checking the mailing lists or file a bug report, or look at see what ldd says on mplayer. |
| 01:55.24 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Then I'd make sure my symlinks in /usr/lib and /lib are happy... |
| 01:55.56 | nsadmin | so you didn't have any specific reason for upgrading |
| 01:55.56 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: i will do that too... haha... so the broken package is normal in testing ? |
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| 01:56.15 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Sure, it happens. |
| 01:56.31 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: After all, it's 'testing' :) |
| 01:56.51 | nsadmin | what would we test for if everything worked :) |
| 01:56.56 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: But it 'aint 'sid' :) |
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| 01:57.09 | AgentSashole | 'sid' is just evil ;P |
| 01:57.13 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: so ... maybe with another upgrade the package will become normal. (first time in debian...sry) |
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| 01:57.48 | nsadmin | maybe... if you're lucky... |
| 01:57.53 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: hahah :) |
| 01:57.56 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Oh, well welcome to Debian, may I suggest downgrading to the stable 'Lenny' (Debian 5.0) release? |
| 01:58.16 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: You chose the unstable, testing, release which is prone to breakage. |
| 01:58.28 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: but the programs aren't ooold ? |
| 01:58.44 | zebradog | Agents, your name is dumb and sounds unstraight |
| 01:58.53 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: luck ? haha:) |
| 01:59.03 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: It depends, I have issues with what's in the Ubuntu repos (which tend to be fairly bleeding) with them version freezing over stablity, such an example would be Postfix or Dovecot. |
| 01:59.22 | nsadmin | if you want all new stuff ubuntu does provide newer stuff and claim stability |
| 01:59.37 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: I think the issue is perfer stablity and chase versioning based on what you need and roll your own. |
| 01:59.55 | AgentSashole | zebradog: Tell me about the waters of your homeland Mu'Adib. |
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| 02:00.07 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: don't say that, i don't want arch again hahah... |
| 02:00.24 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: thanks dude... but not in my system (800mhz, 128ram) |
| 02:00.36 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Well, look, it's better than CentOS/RHEL (which I run). It's all about the best tool for the job. Think of the packages my friend, everything can't be bleeding. :) |
| 02:01.26 | nsadmin | I'm assuming you don't like solving problems... if I'm guessing wrong, more powah to ya and everything.... |
| 02:01.56 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: i understand... but i will stay with testing, i want to learn |
| 02:02.10 | komentarze_listy | powah to ya ? |
| 02:02.15 | nsadmin | you'll be learning fast then, that's for sure |
| 02:02.17 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: It's probably a symlink issue, ldd mplayer and grep on 'not found' or whatever. Remember, there's a reason for 'testing', breakage is the fuel for success. |
| 02:03.43 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: I understand. But how the users can tell the developers about these problems ? |
| 02:03.55 | nsadmin | bug report |
| 02:04.10 | dondelelcaro | komentarze_listy: we don't stirbute that library at all; what version of mplayer do you have installed? |
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| 02:04.25 | nsadmin | first make sure your system is completely upgraded |
| 02:04.45 | nsadmin | there's also that... mplayer, being in dmm, is not actually part of debian |
| 02:04.52 | AgentSashole | AgentSashole: Report the bug. Hey, just because you're tipping my troll radar, you're being serious here right? No joking/shamming? You mention Arch so you know GNU/Linux, tell me why you selected 'testing' explictly? |
| 02:05.01 | AgentSashole | Crap. |
| 02:05.07 | dondelelcaro | AgentSashole: just relax |
| 02:05.13 | AgentSashole | I replied to myself. Well, komentarze_list...I meant you. |
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| 02:05.40 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: sry about my english ... i'm from brazil... i'm not a troll |
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| 02:05.59 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Very good English, I never knew you were not fluent |
| 02:06.02 | komentarze_listy | it's difficult to "talk" in a language that you learn by google... |
| 02:06.18 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: thanks, man:) |
| 02:06.39 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Sorry if I insulted yo |
| 02:06.41 | AgentSashole | er you |
| 02:07.18 | komentarze_listy | hey man, ok;) so... the mplayer version: 2.1.0 |
| 02:07.20 | AgentSashole | That wasn't my intent, to insult, but because you chose Debian 'Testing' it will be broke, either now or some point in the future, that's the reason why it's labeled testing. |
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| 02:07.56 | AgentSashole | So what I would do is run "ldd /usr/bin/mplayer" and look for any libs not found. |
| 02:08.22 | AgentSashole | Then check /usr/lib or /lib for the library and see if the parent symlink is pointed to the wrong library. |
| 02:09.42 | nsadmin | komentarze_listy: just so you know a few things... you should explore and get used to the bts, where you'll be finding out about known problems and telling about your own. testing is the "new version in its building stage"; packages "leak" from unstable to testing under certain conditions. |
| 02:10.21 | komentarze_listy | did it, i think that i have two versions of libxulrunner |
| 02:10.30 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: sry but what bts mean ? |
| 02:11.20 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: i got it... i'm starting to think in stable... |
| 02:11.50 | peterrooney | komentarze_listy: /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:12.30 | qq- | google bts |
| 02:12.50 | komentarze_listy | thanks |
| 02:13.13 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: What's the name of the library missing again? libdv* |
| 02:13.16 | komentarze_listy | aptitude show libcairo 2 :Breaks: iceape-browser (<= 2.0.3-3), libgtk-directfb-2.0-0, xulrunner-1.9, xulrunner-1.9.1 (<= 1.9. |
| 02:13.46 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Those wouldn't break mplayer from what I understand. |
| 02:13.56 | komentarze_listy | libvdpau.so |
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| 02:14.23 | AgentSashole | Thanks, looking now for 'Squeeze' with regard to 'libvdau.so.1' |
| 02:14.45 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: man, thanks . |
| 02:15.03 | dondelelcaro | there isn't a libvdau.so in Debian... |
| 02:15.16 | nsadmin | the intended use of testing is to show everyone what is thought would be the next debian, and to let everyone test, and have everyone tell what they found out |
| 02:16.04 | nsadmin | the more high-quality info the developers get, the better the debian will be when it is release |
| 02:16.06 | nsadmin | d |
| 02:16.17 | dondelelcaro | (I don't think there's one in DMM either) |
| 02:16.26 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Well, it looks like it's known from at least Feb 2010, are you sure you didn't update from Etch or Lenny and have deb-multimedia enabled? See http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49258 |
| 02:16.52 | nsadmin | , versions mplayer |
| 02:16.53 | judd | mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; sid: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-3; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-3; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100603-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100603-0.0 |
| 02:17.05 | nsadmin | oh, so I was wrong before |
| 02:17.19 | nsadmin | mplayer in fact is in debian |
| 02:17.33 | nsadmin | maybe it's specific codecs that are not |
| 02:17.36 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: let me see... and deb-multimedia is not in my source list |
| 02:18.11 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Was it at one time and you have an orphaned package or dep-hell? |
| 02:18.52 | komentarze_listy | dep-hell ? no, just one time! |
| 02:19.12 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Sorry, I mean did dpkg break with missing packages or a failed upgrade? |
| 02:20.41 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: no, not a single issue with that. |
| 02:21.31 | AgentSashole | komentarze_listy: Hmmm, I suspect a broken package but I'm not sure why it's not all fixed yet. I'm sorry but I think it's just something that's a result of running testing. I have to go to bed now and I hope you get it fixed. 73. |
| 02:22.12 | qq- | komentarze_listy, paste exact error message which say about libvdpau.so ,and the command is that issued |
| 02:22.18 | nsadmin | one more thing... apt-get is deprecated, starting in lenny. use aptitude |
| 02:22.26 | komentarze_listy | AgentSashole: thanks man! you're awesome |
| 02:22.47 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: what is the difference apt-get/aptitude ? |
| 02:23.04 | nsadmin | !why aptitude |
| 02:23.04 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 02:23.43 | komentarze_listy | nsadmin: thanks... i'm going to read the doc |
| 02:23.44 | craigevil | apt-get works just fine, i don't really see why the answer to anyone using apt-get is to tell them to use aptitude |
| 02:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | !why aptitude |
| 02:24.14 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 02:24.15 | komentarze_listy | qq-: $ mplayer |
| 02:24.17 | komentarze_listy | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libvdpau.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. |
| 02:24.21 | craigevil | aptitude is the recommended app, but apt-get works just fine |
| 02:24.33 | dondelelcaro | you can use whatever works for you; we just suggest aptitude |
| 02:24.45 | zebradog | i find apt-get search works much much better than aptitude search |
| 02:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | Aptitude does more thorough dependency tracking than apt-get, particularly when it comes to package removal. |
| 02:25.06 | craigevil | dondelelcaro: yes i understand that but the !tell so and so about aptitude any time someone says they use apt-get just gets silly |
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| 02:25.34 | jhutchins_lt | craigevil: We're just trying to let people know what works better for us. |
| 02:25.40 | jhutchins_lt | !why not aptitude |
| 02:25.40 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases. |
| 02:25.52 | nsadmin | craigevil, reviewing the conversation might offer you a clue as to why I suggested it |
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| 02:26.43 | dondelelcaro | 1[5~/sb end |
| 02:26.50 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: someone just asked about what the difference was; I at least normally don't tell people to change what they're using if I know they know about aptitude. |
| 02:27.16 | komentarze_listy | i'm trying to figure out the difference, here. |
| 02:27.17 | nsadmin | so here's what I was thinking... |
| 02:27.47 | nsadmin | someone does an upgrade using apt-get and a package gets broken in the process... |
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| 02:28.00 | nsadmin | so it could be that aptitude would fix it |
| 02:28.05 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: unlikely |
| 02:28.07 | nsadmin | no guarantees, but it could be |
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| 02:28.14 | komentarze_listy | ha, i'll try that ... now |
| 02:28.31 | nsadmin | aptitude update first, then go ahead |
| 02:28.45 | craigevil | nsadmin: works the other way around as well, i usually use apt-get but there have been time aptitude workded but apt-get didnt |
| 02:29.05 | craigevil | *worked |
| 02:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | remembers when you could buy a six CD set that included EVERY LINUX DISTRIBUTION IN IT'S ENTIRETY. |
| 02:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | ALL packages. The whole thing. |
| 02:29.23 | nsadmin | youmean infomagic? |
| 02:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | So I kinda know about the evolution of on-line repositories and dependency management. |
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| 02:30.35 | nsadmin | we have that in common |
| 02:30.38 | qq- | komentarze_listy, you have nvidia driver installed ? |
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| 02:31.28 | komentarze_listy | qq-: yes |
| 02:31.36 | poppiez | if I put imagemagick's convert command in a php script and put the php script in a crontab I get "sh: gs: command not found". why is this? in /etc/crontab the path to "gs" is there and correct |
| 02:31.40 | craigevil | ,versions libvdpau1 |
| 02:31.41 | judd | libvdpau1 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.3-2.1; sid: 0.4-5; squeeze: 0.4-5 |
| 02:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | poppiez: Why not put the image command in the cron job to begin with? |
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| 02:32.26 | nsadmin | why php in cron |
| 02:32.34 | jhutchins_lt | poppiez: cron's path is not the same as bash's. |
| 02:32.36 | nsadmin | there's already an interpreter |
| 02:32.58 | dondelelcaro | poppiez: if it's not in the path, then you either don't have ghostscript installed or something is taking /usr/bin out of PATH. |
| 02:33.00 | poppiez | jhutchins_lt: because it's a PHP script that does tons of other things besides converting |
| 02:33.22 | poppiez | dondelelcaro: I've installed ghostscript out of apt-get because I needed a newer version. maybe that's why? |
| 02:33.36 | jhutchins_lt | poppiez: well write a bash script instead then. |
| 02:33.44 | poppiez | jhutchins_lt: umn why? it should work |
| 02:33.51 | jhutchins_lt | Ok. Make it work. |
| 02:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | Make it work and tell us how! |
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| 02:35.07 | poppiez | jhutchins_lt: umn okay that's what I'm trying to do. it works great outside of cron |
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| 02:37.57 | poppiez | dondelelcaro: the path is /usr/local/bin/gs |
| 02:38.48 | nsadmin | what you can do (and is fairly common practice) is to call the executables by their full pathname |
| 02:39.30 | craigevil | why is it in /usr/local? and not /usr/bin/gs |
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| 02:39.42 | nsadmin | he built it probabluy |
| 02:40.11 | nsadmin | again, a review of the conversation answers that question |
| 02:40.22 | craigevil | ah yeah doh "I've installed ghostscript out of apt-get" im awake really |
| 02:41.06 | poppiez | yeah but I used that command that packages as a debian package so it's easier to remove but I've since forgotten that command lol |
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| 02:41.46 | nsadmin | so you made a .deb of it? |
| 02:42.09 | poppiez | yeah |
| 02:43.16 | poppiez | of ghostscript 8.71 |
| 02:43.21 | qq- | poppiez, /msg dpkg ssb ? |
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| 02:45.04 | poppiez | qq-: no not using that method. it was using "make <something>" |
| 02:46.22 | poppiez | think it was automake |
| 02:47.46 | poppiez | no, that's rubbish. anyway, it was using some command that packaged it as a .deb file and where I had to fill out information about developer etc. when making. can't remember it |
| 02:47.52 | poppiez | anyway, absolute paths works great |
| 02:49.26 | qq- | !package recompile |
| 02:49.26 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 02:50.20 | poppiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.24 | poppiez | qq-: thanks :) |
| 02:50.51 | poppiez | does anyone know when ghostscript 8.71-1 will be pushed as stable in the deb tree? |
| 02:51.17 | qq- | never .. |
| 02:51.31 | zebradog | poppiez, HUH? |
| 02:51.31 | poppiez | why not? |
| 02:52.13 | poppiez | zebradog: don't know if I'm asking the right way but when will the 8.71 version be stable? |
| 02:52.27 | qq- | , versions ghostscript |
| 02:52.28 | judd | ghostscript -- etch-backports: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; lenny-security: 8.62.dfsg.1-3.2lenny1; squeeze-security: 8.64~dfsg-1+squeeze1; sid: 8.71~dfsg2-3; squeeze: 8.71~dfsg2-3 |
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| 02:52.53 | poppiez | I'm on lenny |
| 02:54.16 | zebradog | bpo, there it is |
| 02:54.19 | qq- | in lenny never, but you may do a backports, maybe your ghostscript is just one |
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| 02:55.02 | poppiez | qq-: why never in lenny? |
| 02:55.19 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.37 | qq- | only new security come in |
| 02:55.50 | Vasistha | I am having trouble connecting to a wpa2 network. I don't know if I've ever successfully done so... so I've set up my own router here with a wpa2, and I can't connect to it, either. I've got an atheros chipset that can connect to WEP just fine. Any hints? |
| 02:56.15 | poppiez | qq-: I didn't know that. why freeze it and what should I use instead to get new updates? etch? |
| 02:56.36 | qq- | !freeze |
| 02:56.37 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/ |
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| 02:57.29 | qq- | poppiez, backports |
| 02:57.38 | poppiez | qq-: you are saying never but here it says "stopped for few months"? |
| 02:57.45 | poppiez | qq-: ah, okay, I see |
| 02:58.58 | un214 | using debian kernel, init to stabilize ubuntu |
| 02:58.59 | un214 | what fun |
| 02:59.30 | qq- | un214, tell that to #ubuntu |
| 02:59.37 | poppiez | qq-: so, searching for ghostscript (http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ghostscript&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports) doesn't give me any hits? |
| 02:59.37 | un214 | I did |
| 02:59.51 | un214 | they aren't willing to even consider throwing out upstart |
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| 03:00.57 | qq- | poppiez, 04:53<qq-> in lenny never, but you may do a backports, maybe your ghostscript is just one |
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| 03:01.09 | qq- | !lenny-backports |
| 03:01.09 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel> |
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| 03:03.21 | tjadog | what can I do to help get sound working on a debian 5.04 lenny install? |
| 03:03.47 | poppiez | qq-: I'm not following, sorry. is ghostscript 8.71 available as a backport in lenny? |
| 03:04.20 | qq- | poppiez, no, but it seems you made one |
| 03:05.19 | poppiez | qq-: yeah I did but it just seems like it installed it to the "wrong" path (/usr/local/bin/), which is not giving me problems with the error I explained in the beginning |
| 03:05.37 | poppiez | is now* |
| 03:06.13 | qq- | poppiez, no pbm, redo it the .deb |
| 03:06.58 | qq- | i meant |
| 03:07.27 | poppiez | qq-: alright. thanks for helping out |
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| 03:20.25 | nsadmin | tjadog, the first thing you can do is find out why sound is not working |
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| 03:36.41 | Bushmills | connecting using wpa_supplicant, maybe after having chosen the ssid, using iwconfig, then running dhclient on the wlan interface, should do |
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| 03:37.14 | Bushmills | eliminates at least one level of potential problem causes (network manager / wicd) |
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| 03:40.57 | Vasistha | Bushmills: wpa_supplicant isn't connecting; that's the trouble. |
| 03:41.26 | Vasistha | Bushmills: I'm not sure if it's easier to debug using wicd or wpa_supplicant via command line, but I have tried both extensively and it just will not connect. |
| 03:41.34 | Bushmills | then you may have to fix its configuration |
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| 03:48.42 | Vasistha | Bushmills: Whenever I have connected without wicd, I've used /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown, with WEP keys or whatever in the interfaces file. I'm not sure how that all links in with the manual use of wpa_supplicant |
| 03:49.18 | Vasistha | running wpa_supplicant, I've just gotten the rather encouraging 2 lines: WPA: Key negotiation completed with 00:21:29:85:1c:cd [PTK=TKIP GTK=TKIP]; CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 00:21:29:85:1c:cd completed (auth) [id=0 id_str=] |
| 03:49.39 | Vasistha | however I'm not sure where to go from here. Does this mean I am actually connected now, for the first time? |
| 03:49.47 | Bushmills | looks like it |
| 03:50.34 | Bushmills | now send a dhcp request, assuming that there's a dhcpd remotely |
| 03:50.56 | Vasistha | I forgot how to do that manually -- is it "pump" or something? |
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| 03:51.27 | Bushmills | that's one - the client commonly used with debian is dhclient |
| 03:51.45 | Bushmills | pump is more a red hat thing |
| 03:52.05 | peterS | well, debian used to ship pump as a default. but that was ... a lot of years ago |
| 03:52.29 | Vasistha | would you be so kind as to give me an example command that I might use to make a request over ath0? |
| 03:52.42 | Bushmills | dhclient ath0 |
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| 03:52.57 | Vasistha | gosh, that's great. man-page-close ... |
| 03:53.23 | Vasistha | hmm, now I guess I disconnect the wired cable and see what happens |
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| 03:55.27 | tarkaram | is there a command that can be run to simulate a usb device unplug and re-plug action without physically performing that action |
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| 03:57.02 | tarkaram | I have a USB stick to connect to my wireless network, whenever the connection drops, I have to unplug the device and plug it back in. When plugged back in, it automatically connects to the right network |
| 03:57.28 | tarkaram | I am trying to see if I can simulate the unplug and replug without physically doing it |
| 03:57.31 | peterS | tarkaram: not that I know of, but you may be able to simulate it by 'rmmod' and 'modprobe -k' with your host controller module (usb_uhci or so). of course this is bus-wide |
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| 03:58.29 | peterS | same trick with the specific usb driver you're using may also bear fruit |
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| 03:59.11 | tarkaram | there is a specific module that gets loaded for this device (rt3070sta), when I run rmmod, I get the message that the module is in use.. |
| 03:59.25 | Rusty1 | would /etc/init.d/udev restart be ill advised? |
| 03:59.42 | peterS | tarkaram: it may help to 'ifdown eth1' or whatever, before the rmmod |
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| 04:00.12 | Vasistha | hum, forgot that the wpa2 network was... not actually connected to the internet :) But it appears I can connect to it now! |
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| 04:00.38 | tarkaram | peterS: Will try that. Thanks ! |
| 04:00.40 | qq- | !wpa2 |
| 04:00.48 | tarkaram | Rusty1: Thanks!, will try that as well.. |
| 04:00.57 | Rusty1 | YMMV |
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| 04:02.44 | tarkaram | peterS: My ra0 is not configured in /etc/network... when I tried ifdown ra0, I got the message interface ra0 not configured.. |
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| 04:03.07 | peterS | tarkaram: if it's not in /etc/network/interfaces you'll want to do it by hand: ifconfig ra0 down |
| 04:03.31 | tarkaram | peterS: will try that ! |
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| 04:07.41 | tarkaram | !ping tarkaram |
| 04:07.41 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over tarkaram's head |
| 04:07.48 | tarkaram | !ping tarkaram |
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| 04:09.39 | tarkaram | peterS: ifconfig ra0 down worked, and when I ran ifconfig ra0 up, it connected to the right network, but the access point was empty |
| 04:10.24 | tarkaram | when I physically unplug and plug it back it, it connects to the right network and I also see the access point information (I run iwconfig to see that) |
| 04:11.00 | tarkaram | is there something else that I need to pass to ifconfig for the device to see the access point information ? |
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| 04:11.34 | peterS | tarkaram: so then what if you 'ifconfig ra0 down; rmmod rt3070sta; modprobe -k rt3070sta; ifconfig ra0 up' |
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| 04:12.14 | peterS | I don't know how to tell a random device to pick up AP information, though |
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| 04:13.09 | tarkaram | Okie, what is the -k option in modprobe for ? I checked the info pages,, and there is no mention of -k |
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| 04:13.22 | peterS | it may not be useful anymore. it was useful 10 years ago. |
| 04:13.57 | peterS | it used to make the module show up as 'autoloaded', so the system could unload it when it's no longer used. Anyway, I am just in the habit of using it |
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| 04:14.25 | peterS | automatic module unloading fell out of fashion some years ago, I guess |
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| 04:14.32 | tarkaram | Thanks, will try again. And I will be careful not to ping twice. I might go deaf with the 5 meter bell.. |
| 04:14.37 | FunctorSalad | with dpkg's "install new config file or keep your mods" prompt... is it possible to add an interactive-diff option? or, better, merge, if the last common ancestor is available |
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| 04:15.06 | FunctorSalad | interactive diff as in a program that allows you to select which line to take from which version... |
| 04:15.18 | peterS | FunctorSalad: unfortunately the ancestor is not available. unless you've kept it yourself. that is something I wish dpkg would do, stash an extra copy of all conffiles, but it doesn't. |
| 04:15.28 | FunctorSalad | I guess I'm simply asking to hook arbitrary external commands to that prompt ;) |
| 04:15.56 | FunctorSalad | peterS: I see |
| 04:15.57 | peterS | FunctorSalad: what you can do is hit z to go to a shell, and resolve the file between /etc/filename and /etc/filename.dpkg-new manually, then exit, then you have 'n' for filename and 'y' for filename.dpkg-new, depending on which one you decided to edit |
| 04:16.47 | tarkaram | !ping tarkaram |
| 04:16.48 | peterS | FunctorSalad: for packages that use ucf to manage their configuration files, you _do_ get these options, because ucf _does_ keep a copy of the ancestor |
| 04:16.48 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over tarkaram's head |
| 04:17.01 | peterS | but plain dpkg does not, unfortunately |
| 04:17.05 | FunctorSalad | peterS: *nod*, that's just as good if I automize it to a single command |
| 04:17.20 | FunctorSalad | (automatize?) |
| 04:17.29 | peterS | automate? |
| 04:17.59 | komentarze_listy | eu sei que a galera de tatui vende falso... |
| 04:18.05 | FunctorSalad | probably... I had one of these moments where a word looses its meaning :) |
| 04:18.05 | tarkaram | peterS: That worked. ifdown ra0 down; rmmod xyz; modprobe xyz; I didnt have to run ifconfig ra0 up.. |
| 04:18.22 | peterS | problem is, with the 'z' shell escape, you still have to type (or copy + paste) the filename, I don't think dpkg makes it available via a handy environment variable. (Though ... I haven't checked, maybe it does) |
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| 04:18.48 | tarkaram | Thanks a bunch ! I have been struggling with this for the last 3 months ! |
| 04:18.56 | peterS | good luck with that, tarkaram |
| 04:19.18 | FunctorSalad | yay, DPKG_CONFFILE_{OLD,NEW} |
| 04:19.28 | peterS | ah, indeed? nice |
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| 04:20.03 | FunctorSalad | thinking of it, I even started a script using them, but got distracted with something else ;) |
| 04:20.08 | peterS | hmm, I wonder if there's something you can poke in /sys/modules/rt3070sta to force it to reinitialize any hardware it's talking to |
| 04:20.15 | FunctorSalad | (not today) |
| 04:20.35 | FunctorSalad | probably trying to figure out the third file for a merge ;) |
| 04:21.04 | FunctorSalad | but that's probably overkill |
| 04:21.38 | FunctorSalad | answering a few left/right questions is much better than pondering whether you want to drop your changes or ignore the new stuff ;) |
| 04:22.09 | tarkaram | I guess its worth trying.. but I dont know all the details. I guess I will run a job in the background to see if the network is down, if so I will execute those three commands in the script.. Crude, but it works I guess :) |
| 04:22.56 | peterS | tarkaram: indeed. it'd be nice if, for example, /sys/module/rt3070sta were a read/write file where you could change it to 'reinit' or something. but it isn't - I'm reading the kernel source now and it's definitely read-only |
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| 04:25.30 | tarkaram | peterS: Thanks for helping out, I can live with the crude option.. I don't have to go to the basement to reset the device now !! |
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| 04:51.12 | hippomikko | Is it safe to download this program called LAME from sourceforge? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lame/files/ |
| 04:52.31 | dondelelcaro | hippomikko: install the version from DMM instead |
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| 04:52.42 | hippomikko | DMM? |
| 04:52.48 | dondelelcaro | !dmm |
| 04:52.48 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 04:55.02 | peterrooney | hippomikko: yeah, safe to download, but compiling and running it? |
| 04:55.26 | jacob_ | hey guys, where can I find the network logs in debian? thanks i advance |
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| 05:00.01 | maurizio | I want to have centralized administration of a few users on four machines (all lenny). Each user will have a $HOME on each machine (no NFS). Which solution should I study: NIS? LDAP? Something else? Thanks. |
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| 05:02.41 | nevyn | maurizio: how many is a few? |
| 05:03.37 | nevyn | maurizio: I'd use puppet and a puppetmaster because (you can make sure their homedir exists and has correect permissions etc also when someone says "can you please install $favorite app you can use it for that too) |
| 05:03.44 | nevyn | but it really depends how many users. |
| 05:03.48 | maurizio | nevyn: from 3 to 6. |
| 05:04.42 | nevyn | maurizio: so nis is easy but insecure. ldap is harder but securable, and puppet would require learning a simple declartive programming language. |
| 05:05.06 | nevyn | if you want to be able to maintain other things on these machines centrally like " |
| 05:05.14 | nevyn | "make sure ssh is the lastest version" |
| 05:05.25 | nevyn | or install ncftp because someone wants that client |
| 05:05.56 | maurizio | nevyn: puppetmaster allows this kind of things? |
| 05:06.00 | nevyn | or someone likes joe or nano or vim and you want to make sure it's on all the boxes then puppet could be a good idea. |
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| 05:06.15 | nevyn | puppet does enable you to do these kindof things |
| 05:06.15 | maurizio | nevyn: excellent, I will study that then |
| 05:06.28 | maurizio | nevyn: thanks very much for your help |
| 05:06.38 | nevyn | <disclaimer> nevyn is a puppet fanboy tho </disclaimer> |
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| 05:09.03 | hippomikko | !dmm |
| 05:09.04 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 05:09.59 | hippomikko | dondelelcaro, peterrooney , thanks for the pointers =) |
| 05:10.01 | nevyn | maurizio: using puppet just results in every system having the same user accounts with the same username |
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| 05:10.13 | nevyn | it doesn't fix central passwords |
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| 05:10.27 | maurizio | nevyn: that's important. |
| 05:10.43 | krab484 | how do i increase the amount of lines the terminal can show? |
| 05:10.46 | nevyn | maurizio: ldap fixes central passwords. |
| 05:11.10 | dondelelcaro | nevyn: well, it can, but it won't do it alone |
| 05:11.11 | maurizio | nevyn: so ldap in addition of puppet would be the complete setup? |
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| 05:11.35 | nevyn | maurizio: I'd do the puppet thing anyway because it makes managing the ldap configuration easier (for me who has HUNDREDS of hosts.) |
| 05:11.56 | nevyn | maurizio: and as I said I'm a fanboy |
| 05:12.06 | nevyn | maurizio: ldap + puppet works |
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| 05:12.30 | maurizio | nevyn: I should try to understand what is the "simplest" solution, exactly because I do not have hundreds of machines... |
| 05:12.33 | nevyn | maurizio: in fact here we use puppet to define local accounts but have passwords in an existing enterprise directory. |
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| 05:13.48 | krab484 | You know how the terminal stores a history of text input and output, so you scroll back and read it...I want to increase the size (scroll back buffer) in terminal 2.22.3 in debian lenny. |
| 05:13.53 | nevyn | maurizio: so are there any secondary goals? (learning how to do this stuff learning about directories or configuration management?) is this for a "production" environment etc.. |
| 05:14.09 | nevyn | maurizio: what are the security requirements? |
| 05:14.22 | peterrooney | krab484: a few ways... (i) in X, resize your xterm, and/or right control-click your xterm to select font size (ii) for virtual console, edit grub and add a better vga=XYZ line than the default. |
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| 05:14.25 | nevyn | maurizio: who might need to manage/understand this... |
| 05:15.31 | maurizio | nevyn: very low security requirements: everything is cut from the outside, all users know each other, and the only goal is to simplify life for the users and me (whose job is not to run machines but to do work with them...) |
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| 05:17.32 | krab484 | peterrooney...cool...i found it...right click the terminal > edit current profile > scrolling > scroll back. |
| 05:18.24 | krab484 | thanks...back to work... |
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| 05:18.39 | maurizio | nevyn: and the only "admin" for this setup will be me for the foreseeable future (8 years debian user on all my computers) |
| 05:18.51 | hippomikko | exit |
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| 05:21.54 | maurizio | nevyn: my impression was that LDAP is way overkill for my modest needs. NIS seems clunky (to me). Puppet seems a bit overkill as well... |
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| 05:27.02 | pflanze | Hello. I'm trying to get a 3G internet usb stick to work; so far I've failed at every attempt to get any communication with minicom going (I enter AT and enter and nothing is replied). |
| 05:27.36 | pflanze | Any suggestion? |
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| 05:28.59 | Bushmills | wrong device |
| 05:29.38 | pflanze | Well, the funny thing is that last week when I tried before I got confirmation from the provider that my account has been activated, it created a /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 05:29.56 | pflanze | running minicom /dev/ttyUSB0 would get ne no reply already. |
| 05:30.34 | Bushmills | try ath0 |
| 05:30.37 | Bushmills | or at h0 |
| 05:30.40 | pflanze | Today it creates /dev/char/189:394 and /dev/char/21:3 but no /dev/ttyUSB0 and does't mention anything "modem" in the kern log anymore. |
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| 05:31.41 | pflanze | Bushmills: neither find /dev/ -name "*ath0*" nor .."*h0*" return anything |
| 05:31.54 | Bushmills | as command string |
| 05:32.28 | pflanze | aha |
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| 05:33.31 | pflanze | no response string either |
| 05:33.44 | pflanze | tried on both /dev/char/189:394 and /dev/char/21:3 |
| 05:34.06 | Bushmills | modprobe usbserial with vendor= and product= |
| 05:37.10 | pflanze | The sticks blinks in blue which the manual says means it detected UMTS but not connected |
| 05:37.16 | pflanze | modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1410 product=0x5010 |
| 05:37.26 | pflanze | after rmmod option usbserial |
| 05:37.45 | pflanze | still doesn't give me the ttyUSB* |
| 05:38.23 | pflanze | from the web: "Right-click on the mounted icon named "Mobile Connect" and select Eject, now the device will change its idProduct id from 0x5010 to the more re-assuring 0x7030 but somehow Ubuntu doesn't know it's supposed to be a usbserial device..." |
| 05:38.35 | pflanze | (I'm running Debian stable) |
| 05:39.04 | pflanze | lsusb lists it as 0x5010, even after I mount the stick and unmount it |
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| 05:39.37 | pflanze | I even tried mount, cat the files on it, then umount. Still no 0x7030 |
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| 05:41.57 | pflanze | I *could* try sid, but it'd be some pain and somehow I doubt it would really make a difference; I'm already running a current kernel.org kernel. |
| 05:42.52 | pflanze | sid could have more of these files for the usb or devfs daemon, but why would it matter when even running your suggestion manually doesn't change anything? |
| 05:43.47 | pflanze | Also I tried with ubuntu live cd on another computer and couldn't get it to show up in network manager. |
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| 05:45.04 | skrewler | so, how do you know it's not the stick that's at fault? |
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| 05:47.00 | pflanze | I don't, I just find it currently more likely that I'm doing something wrong. |
| 05:47.22 | pflanze | Hm, I should probably try eject, not umount |
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| 05:48.59 | skrewler | i dunno, check your bios settings.. but ideally try it on another PC before wasting more time on it |
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| 05:49.39 | pflanze | yay, the eject did the trick, now getting 4 different usb tty devices at the same time |
| 05:49.50 | pflanze | 5 even |
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| 05:50.21 | dongs | lol devfs. |
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| 05:51.44 | dongs | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6622I420100703 |
| 05:51.46 | dongs | discuss. |
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| 05:53.40 | skrewler | dongs: i wouldn't make it a foot |
| 05:53.48 | pflanze | please don't post OT stuff, dongs |
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| 05:56.35 | pflanze | Grr, "minicom /dev/somethign" doesn't actually use the given device |
| 05:56.53 | pflanze | and I can't seem to find out how to do it from the man page. |
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| 05:58.55 | pflanze | ctl-A O cursorup-5-times A backspace5timesorso ttyUSB0 hell really? |
| 05:59.31 | pflanze | is there another way to talk to a serial device than minicom? |
| 06:00.16 | nevyn | pflanze: many many many |
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| 06:00.28 | nevyn | pflanze: but minicom is pretty useful. |
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| 06:00.40 | pflanze | How do you feed it the device to use? |
| 06:00.43 | pflanze | sensibly |
| 06:00.44 | nevyn | minicom -s is probably what you want |
| 06:01.27 | pflanze | But hell I don't want to create a config for a device that's dynamically allocated?? |
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| 06:06.03 | dondelelcaro | pflanze: I prefer screen /dev/foo |
| 06:06.20 | pflanze | microcom -p /dev/ttyUSB0 did work, too, now. |
| 06:06.20 | dondelelcaro | pflanze: and if it's a device that's dynamically created, you set up a udev rule to specify it statically |
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| 06:07.41 | lmaowaffle | hello. is there a bot cookie for apt-get vs aptitude? |
| 06:07.42 | pflanze | yeh maybe but a commandline tool that requires config setup (and does it through curses u) for the single central config value there is feels wrong. |
| 06:08.23 | pflanze | especially if it just *silently ignores* the command line argument that I gave it. |
| 06:08.28 | dondelelcaro | pflanze: minicom is really set up for using modems and similar; if you just need to talk to a serial terminal, screen is more than good enough |
| 06:08.54 | is_tired_too | lmaowaffle: /msg dpkg listkeys/listvals apt-get/aptitude? |
| 06:08.56 | peterrooney | lmaowaffle: /msg dpkg listkeys |
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| 06:09.04 | pflanze | I'd say it again, "minicom is bloat and not unixy". But whatever. |
| 06:09.11 | lindi- | pflanze: indeed |
| 06:09.20 | lindi- | pflanze: I prefer picocom or ser2net or socat |
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| 06:10.44 | pflanze | heh missed picocom (fun, minicom - microcom - picocom. No nanocom in Debian tho) |
| 06:11.15 | lindi- | microcom is something very new, not in stable |
| 06:11.20 | lindi- | and their homepage is already 404? |
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| 06:13.42 | Bushmills | screen can also be used as terminal program |
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| 06:16.11 | Bushmills | oh. as dondelelcaro said |
| 06:16.34 | pflanze | Which is kinda weird, too. |
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| 06:17.32 | Bushmills | i don't find it weird that dondelelcaro said something |
| 06:17.51 | pflanze | No, that screen is overloaded to handle device files, as it seems to do. |
| 06:18.24 | lmaowaffle | is_tired_too: peterrooney: thanks |
| 06:18.28 | Bushmills | why? that's its job. whether a microcontroller connected to a serial port, or a shell replies, is of no concern to screen |
| 06:19.09 | pflanze | As I understand it, screen's purpose is to run a program and buffer the output so that you can attach to the buffer from multiple source terminals. |
| 06:19.33 | Bushmills | and talking to tty or console or serial port, from userland apps, is essentially the same |
| 06:20.05 | nevyn | screen works as a terminal app |
| 06:20.12 | Bushmills | well, there is one thing which is what it does, and another which is what you can do with it |
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| 06:20.21 | pflanze | The difference is that your suggestion doesn't run a program and make it's output/input connected to /dev/ttyUSB0, but connect /dev/ttyUSB0 to my current terminal right? |
| 06:20.36 | Bushmills | if you can reattach to it, that doesn't render other uses based on what it can do invalid |
| 06:20.52 | dondelelcaro | pflanze: yes, but a pipe can be dealt with just like another file |
| 06:20.57 | nevyn | pflanze: but that's what minicom does anyway |
| 06:21.08 | pflanze | hm. k, reattach to a device that hasn't been created by screen in the first place, viewing it this way makes more sense |
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| 06:21.15 | Bushmills | but essentially, you enter something, and screen sends it to a device. what comes back, is displayed |
| 06:21.27 | Bushmills | (and buffered) |
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| 06:21.51 | Bushmills | pretty much what a terminal program does |
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| 06:25.52 | lmaowaffle | aptitude fu and aptitude tricks keys are duplicates |
| 06:26.04 | lmaowaffle | is that just for redundancy reasons? |
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| 06:27.31 | lmaowaffle | Also, i've noticed the following error message when doing certain apt routines: dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead. |
| 06:27.38 | lmaowaffle | is that a squeeze-only issue? |
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| 06:32.28 | srbaker | heya folks |
| 06:32.36 | srbaker | i need to remove a whole line, including the newline character with sed |
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| 06:32.56 | srbaker | sed s/sed "s/ socket: \/tmp\/mysql.sock\n//" |
| 06:33.00 | srbaker | that leaves a blank line |
| 06:33.05 | srbaker | oh, whoops, some double paste there |
| 06:33.08 | srbaker | can someone help with that? |
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| 06:34.39 | Bushmills | command d to remove lines with sed |
| 06:35.21 | srbaker | ah, thanks |
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| 07:03.23 | debuggerboy | hi |
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| 07:12.01 | Outlander | hiya |
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| 07:12.32 | Outlander | anyone got experience with only allowing a few certain file types on a samba share? I've read up on the "veto files =" directive but I need to veto all file types except a certain few |
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| 07:15.48 | loopidity | i wanted to run a test.cgi as a cron job |
| 07:15.57 | loopidity | its in ../data/cgi-bin |
| 07:16.11 | loopidity | is the command cd ../data/cgi-bin;test.cgi ? |
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| 07:27.02 | brammat0r | does linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 support more than 4GB RAM? |
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| 07:28.41 | nevyn | brammat0r: zgrep MEM /boot/config-2.6.26-2-xen-686 |
| 07:28.59 | brammat0r | nevyn, thanks |
| 07:29.08 | Bushmills | loopidity: no. after changing to dir, you most likely need ./test.cgi |
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| 07:29.59 | nevyn | brammat0r: add tab to the end of that. |
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| 07:31.19 | brammat0r | nevyn, with "CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y" and "CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y" I presume it as "yes"? |
| 07:32.08 | nevyn | config highmem64g-y means the kernel can use 64G of memory |
| 07:32.14 | Night_Elf | Hi all. In a default bind installation, it is strange for I can not resolve "www.skype.com" but to what I see I can resolve the rest of the sites. What can it be ? |
| 07:32.24 | nevyn | brammat0r: it's still not sane to do so. |
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| 07:32.44 | nevyn | brammat0r: if at all possible use a 64bit kernel |
| 07:33.05 | nevyn | more than 4gig on true 32bit archs remains naff. |
| 07:34.46 | brammat0r | nevyn, please excuse my stupidity, but I can't find intel 64bit kernel package on lenny. and worse, I use swarm of tiny domUs; if I run them on 64bit software, it will likely waste RAM. |
| 07:34.56 | OpenTokix | brammat0r: amd64 |
| 07:35.21 | OpenTokix | brammat0r: intel licensed the 64bit on x86 from amd. ie. the name is amd64 of historical reasons. |
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| 07:35.29 | brammat0r | okay, ty |
| 07:35.37 | OpenTokix | or something along those lines, amd64 is the one you want |
| 07:35.54 | brammat0r | still, if I can work with 32bit guests, I'd stick with that |
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| 07:36.24 | brammat0r | I think I've readed something quirky about running 32b guests on 64b host |
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| 07:37.16 | OpenTokix | brammat0r: why would you wanna do that? |
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| 07:37.47 | OpenTokix | brammat0r: 64bit is the way to go all the way. - unless you are using some crappeticrap-crap-software on your systems that will go ape shit when you put them on 64bit. |
| 07:37.56 | brammat0r | see above about swarm problem. soft we're using eats >50% more ram on 64b. |
| 07:38.59 | brammat0r | I mean, 64b version of this soft. and installing 32b-compatible libraries? I'm not that clever. |
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| 07:39.33 | OpenTokix | brammat0r: Likely, or have you tried? |
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| 07:40.46 | brammat0r | tried what? use 32b version on 64b platform? yeah, tried, apeshit as you described it. measure ram consuming with 64b soft version? yeah, too. |
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| 07:41.25 | OpenTokix | brammat0r: I doubt it would be a problem running 32bit guests on a 64bit host. - But xen don't mention anything in their faq about it beeing a problem. - Other VM-system might have, but xen don't seem to have any. |
| 07:41.31 | brammat0r | one day I'll kill me some fresh developers. just to remain sane. |
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| 07:41.54 | brammat0r | hmm. |
| 07:42.07 | OpenTokix | http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq |
| 07:42.29 | OpenTokix | Since xen 3.1, I assume you use something newer? |
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| 07:44.30 | brammat0r | hmm, so I can just use -amd64 host kernel + hypervisor, with boatload of -bigmem domUs? |
| 07:44.55 | brammat0r | that's cool. |
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| 07:47.08 | zoobab | hi, do you know how to ignore "Package configuration" when you install with apt-get? |
| 07:47.51 | jpinx-eeepc | In my lxde/openbox I choose to not show the hidden files when an application is browsing the filesystem by rightclick the filelist and deselect the "show hidden files" option. How can I make this a persistent setting instead of having to re-do it every time? |
| 07:48.07 | lindi- | brammat0r: beware of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580889 |
| 07:48.08 | jpinx-eeepc | I know tat's not pure debian, but it's on lenny;) |
| 07:51.55 | brammat0r | lindi-, thanks |
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| 07:58.17 | peterrooney | zoobab: not sure that that is a wise idea, but if you're wanting less questions, "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and raise the minimum priority of questions asked |
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| 07:58.26 | v0lZy | Hello |
| 07:58.59 | v0lZy | I'm looking some help with a general linux problem... im using mailcleaner which is built on debian and the installer automatically misconfigures raid apparently |
| 07:59.51 | v0lZy | What happens is that i get a message: mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found. and after a while "Gave up waiting for root device. and then get dropped into ash busybox initramfs |
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| 08:00.08 | v0lZy | when i do cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf it comes up with DEVICE partitions and nothing else |
| 08:00.23 | v0lZy | so... i do mdadm --examine --scan > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf to fill it up with the array |
| 08:00.41 | v0lZy | i can now do mdadm --assemble --scan and it will assemble the arrays, but im out of ideas as to what to do from there on |
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| 08:01.18 | v0lZy | in any case, if i reboot |
| 08:01.29 | v0lZy | I lose the changes i made to the mdadm.conf file |
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| 08:01.43 | v0lZy | So I'm guessing i need to rebuild initramfs |
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| 08:02.21 | v0lZy | but.. how do I do that ... while im inside initramfs? Is there a way to I dont know.. resume the boot process? |
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| 08:02.43 | v0lZy | I mean if i type "exit" it resumes but... |
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| 08:04.16 | Virindi | what about booting a livecd? |
| 08:05.19 | v0lZy | hm... Virindi it appears i've made it to the next part by doing "mdadm --examine --scan > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf ; mdadm --assemble --scan" and then "exit" |
| 08:05.34 | v0lZy | its still loading some stuff from the install but i expect that i should have a shell in a moment or two |
| 08:05.38 | Virindi | I see |
| 08:05.39 | v0lZy | what do i type to rebuild the initramfs image? |
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| 08:05.47 | v0lZy | updated-initramfs or something like that? |
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| 08:06.17 | Virindi | yeah |
| 08:06.21 | Virindi | update-initramfs |
| 08:06.27 | v0lZy | any parameters i should supply? |
| 08:06.59 | Virindi | you might need to reconfigure your kernel package, not sure |
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| 08:07.19 | v0lZy | (im not that far down the linux rabbit hole yet and this mkinitcpio stuff in arch and initramfs in debian etc is a bit of a mistery .. i understand what it is but i have a certain amount of fearful respect towards it :D |
| 08:07.26 | Virindi | I'm a little confused as to what the installer did to mess things up though |
| 08:07.34 | v0lZy | I think the kernel is fine since its looking for mdadm devices |
| 08:08.01 | Virindi | the kernel image package builds the initrd iirc |
| 08:08.04 | v0lZy | its just that when .. well, at least when mkinitcpio is built (in arch) it expects to find the raid configuration in /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 08:08.12 | v0lZy | in debian that probably translates to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 08:08.20 | v0lZy | but initramfs probably expects the same thing? |
| 08:08.32 | Virindi | er |
| 08:08.40 | Virindi | hmm |
| 08:08.48 | v0lZy | ok, in the shell now |
| 08:08.55 | v0lZy | as far as i understand |
| 08:09.00 | Virindi | this is raid 1, right? |
| 08:09.30 | v0lZy | initramfs is an initial image that is used to boot the OS up to where it can mount filesystems and have other programs and daemons etc run |
| 08:09.36 | v0lZy | hm... im not sure, gimme a sec |
| 08:10.05 | v0lZy | yeah |
| 08:10.05 | Virindi | I don't think you can boot directly to raid 0 or 5, maybe you can now, been a long time since I set one of those up |
| 08:10.06 | v0lZy | 2x raid1 |
| 08:10.14 | v0lZy | md0 for / and md1 for /var |
| 08:10.36 | v0lZy | you can boot directly to raid1 if its metadata 0.9 |
| 08:10.47 | v0lZy | which it seems to be according to --detail --scan |
| 08:11.04 | v0lZy | all i need to do now is to rebuild initramfs image |
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| 08:12.10 | v0lZy | hm |
| 08:12.18 | v0lZy | i did update-initramfs -u -t |
| 08:12.30 | v0lZy | ill reboot, see if it helped |
| 08:12.37 | nsadmin | was / mounted? |
| 08:12.40 | v0lZy | yeah |
| 08:13.23 | v0lZy | after i typed "exit" at initramfs (after updating mdadm.conf and assembling the array) it conitnued as normal |
| 08:13.37 | v0lZy | mounted everything alright. |
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| 08:14.50 | nsadmin | how does it get the initrd and kernel? |
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| 08:15.31 | v0lZy | hm... i dont know, this kernel and initrd is a bit of a istery for me |
| 08:15.36 | v0lZy | and for the record, my updated didnt help |
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| 08:16.03 | nsadmin | they're supposed to be in /boot |
| 08:16.21 | v0lZy | nsadmin: lets track back a bit... how do i updated my initramfs to include /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf settings? |
| 08:16.39 | nsadmin | I've never done that |
| 08:16.42 | Virindi | mdadm conf is supposed to be automatic isn't it |
| 08:17.10 | lindi- | v0lZy: update-initralfs -k all -c |
| 08:17.11 | nsadmin | do you have a separate /boot? |
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| 08:17.26 | lindi- | v0lZy: afaik only kernel upgrades trigger an update of initramfs |
| 08:17.30 | nsadmin | that is on a normal (not raid) partition? |
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| 08:17.46 | v0lZy | -k all -c .. ill try that |
| 08:17.53 | v0lZy | do i need to copy anything from anywhere to somewhere? |
| 08:17.54 | craigevil | anyone know if dhcp3-client is still needed on sid after isc-dhcp-client was installed in yesterdays updates on sid |
| 08:18.41 | v0lZy | hm... updated-initramfs updated the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf in initramfs |
| 08:18.46 | v0lZy | but it didnt assemble... |
| 08:18.46 | simonrvn | same thing those two |
| 08:18.52 | nsadmin | I guess it would be needed if someone uses it |
| 08:18.54 | v0lZy | ill try lindi-s suggestion now |
| 08:18.59 | v0lZy | nsadmin: its raid partitions. |
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| 08:19.09 | v0lZy | it boots from raid. |
| 08:19.15 | SlayerXP | This may be of use to some: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/BackupsWithDuplicityAndS3 |
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| 08:19.43 | v0lZy | huh |
| 08:19.55 | v0lZy | lindi-: I get "Cannot create version 2.6.33: already exists |
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| 08:20.59 | Virindi | did you try doing dpkg-reconfigure on the linux-image-whatever package, that should do the same shouldn't it |
| 08:22.06 | v0lZy | uhm.. no i havent tried that, i dont know what that does |
| 08:22.09 | lindi- | v0lZy: -t then too? |
| 08:22.51 | v0lZy | ah, -t seems to help there |
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| 08:23.38 | v0lZy | rebooting to see if it had any effect .. |
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| 08:25.30 | v0lZy | nope |
| 08:25.43 | v0lZy | still the same error message about no devices listed in conf file were found |
| 08:26.38 | Virindi | maybe it's not a problem with the initrd |
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| 08:28.07 | v0lZy | the only thing im doing is update-initramfs |
| 08:28.15 | v0lZy | should i be doing something else with initrd or is this the same thing? |
| 08:28.22 | v0lZy | I thoguht initrd comes after initramfs? |
| 08:29.04 | lindi- | there is only initramfs |
| 08:29.54 | lindi- | initrd is not really used these days |
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| 08:36.21 | v0lZy | ok... so any other ideas? |
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| 08:47.52 | rical | anyone know if it is possible to "source" an external file into ~/.ssh/config? |
| 08:48.28 | petemc | include? |
| 08:48.58 | petemc | i dont know if you can as i havent tried, but thats the de facto way of doing such a thing |
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| 08:54.46 | v0lZy | hm |
| 08:54.50 | rical | petemc: doen't work |
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| 08:54.54 | v0lZy | where in debian can i configure the hooks for the kernel= |
| 08:54.58 | v0lZy | ? |
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| 09:01.52 | babilen | isn't that rather /etc/default/grub â GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX for grub2? |
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| 09:03.48 | babilen | v0lZy: But that really depends on your boot loader. What do you use? |
| 09:03.59 | v0lZy | grub |
| 09:04.14 | v0lZy | the thing is |
| 09:04.26 | v0lZy | in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 09:04.32 | v0lZy | theres a line for modules |
| 09:04.52 | v0lZy | MODULES=most |
| 09:05.09 | v0lZy | but i cant see HOOKS |
| 09:05.11 | v0lZy | to load mdadm |
| 09:05.32 | v0lZy | there is a /hooks directory though |
| 09:05.33 | v0lZy | but empty |
| 09:05.40 | v0lZy | so im not sure what the hell im supposed to do |
| 09:05.47 | v0lZy | but when i do update-initramfs -k all -c -t |
| 09:05.54 | v0lZy | i get something about mdadm..s ec |
| 09:06.01 | v0lZy | it says |
| 09:06.14 | v0lZy | W: mdadm: unchecked configuration file: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 09:07.11 | babilen | v0lZy: So you want to make sure that the mdadm module is included? |
| 09:07.22 | cousin_mario | hi there |
| 09:07.37 | babilen | v0lZy: If yes, take a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 09:08.13 | v0lZy | yeah |
| 09:08.17 | v0lZy | but it seems to be |
| 09:08.25 | cousin_mario | I'm building a .deb package for mplayer SVN, but I'm not sure how to alter the reported version: any hints on what to look for? |
| 09:08.25 | v0lZy | i see that there is a mdadm/conf-unchecked file... |
| 09:08.30 | v0lZy | that i can remove... |
| 09:08.39 | v0lZy | babilen: my problem is i get thrown into initramfs at boot |
| 09:08.40 | babilen | cousin_mario: reported version? |
| 09:08.45 | v0lZy | saying that no devices from configuration file were found |
| 09:08.53 | cousin_mario | babilen: the version shown in the package itself |
| 09:09.01 | v0lZy | but i can do mdadm --assemble --scan and they assemble and then do exit and it boots fine |
| 09:09.15 | babilen | cousin_mario: debian/changelog (you should use something like dch to edit that) |
| 09:09.35 | cousin_mario | babilen: found the file...what's "dch"? |
| 09:09.37 | babilen | cousin_mario: You might want to read the new maintainer guide as well :) |
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| 09:10.26 | cousin_mario | babilen: can't I simply alter the version string in that file? |
| 09:10.35 | babilen | cousin_mario: It is a tool for editing the changelog included in the "devscripts" package ... read the manpage |
| 09:10.54 | babilen | cousin_mario: No, you are packaging a new (local?) version .. |
| 09:11.38 | babilen | v0lZy: Just recreate your initramfs with a sane configuration |
| 09:11.41 | cousin_mario | babilen: I only need it to appear newer |
| 09:12.31 | babilen | cousin_mario: yes - use dch to alter the debian/changelog |
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| 09:12.43 | cousin_mario | babilen: I just used nano...is that bad? |
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| 09:14.14 | babilen | cousin_mario: *sigh* - Why don't you just create a new entry "packaged new upstream version" with dch? |
| 09:14.31 | babilen | cousin_mario: Did you edit the version number of an existing entry? |
| 09:14.36 | cousin_mario | babilen: yes |
| 09:14.43 | cousin_mario | will it blow in my face? |
| 09:14.56 | babilen | cousin_mario: Well, thats a crude and ugly hack - Who are you packaging that for? |
| 09:15.01 | cousin_mario | myself |
| 09:15.52 | v0lZy | I dont think i can solve this |
| 09:16.02 | babilen | cousin_mario: Ok, but i would still recommend to use dch (it's damn easy) and take a look at uupdate |
| 09:16.03 | v0lZy | is there a way to include a bash script that runs when i get dropped to initramfs? Ž:D |
| 09:16.05 | v0lZy | or something... |
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| 09:16.09 | v0lZy | i cant get this raid thing to work. |
| 09:16.14 | cousin_mario | babilen: ok:) |
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| 09:16.17 | babilen | !tell cousin_mario -about uupdate |
| 09:17.00 | v0lZy | oook... i think i see the problem |
| 09:17.01 | v0lZy | if i do |
| 09:17.02 | v0lZy | blkid |
| 09:17.08 | v0lZy | and mdadm --examine --scan |
| 09:17.14 | v0lZy | the uuids are different |
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| 09:18.10 | cousin_mario | babilen: to be honest, the problem is that the repository version appears newer than the SVN one, so apt tries to replace it |
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| 09:25.01 | babilen | cousin_mario: You haven't by chance upgraded to squeeze? |
| 09:26.08 | cousin_mario | babilen: TBH I'm not even on debian atm:) |
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| 09:26.12 | babilen | cousin_mario: ENICK - I meant v0lZy, sorry :) |
| 09:26.27 | cousin_mario | btw, any news about squeeze? |
| 09:26.43 | babilen | cousin_mario: It's still meant to be released ;) |
| 09:26.45 | cousin_mario | the crude hack did the trick anyway |
| 09:27.00 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 09:27.16 | cousin_mario | babilen: one hopes so, I think it was etch the most delayed one, wasn't it? |
| 09:27.19 | babilen | but using dch is really recommended (and less work than using an editor) |
| 09:27.55 | cousin_mario | babilen: I just need it until the repository gets up-to-date |
| 09:28.05 | v0lZy | babilen: Um... i dont know... i dont think so, this is mailCleaner.. its just a debian base with some packages for spam etc.. |
| 09:28.11 | v0lZy | i dont know what version it is |
| 09:28.29 | v0lZy | but its definately debian. |
| 09:28.37 | babilen | ... which is also not supported in here (mailcleaner that is) |
| 09:28.55 | v0lZy | yeah, i know |
| 09:29.00 | babilen | cousin_mario: Shouldn't the upstream repository be up-to-date? |
| 09:29.01 | v0lZy | im just trying to get it running |
| 09:29.06 | v0lZy | i dont consider it a bug |
| 09:29.12 | v0lZy | its a misconfiguration .. a beta version or something |
| 09:29.17 | v0lZy | I can get it to boot |
| 09:29.21 | v0lZy | and it works just fine with a single drive |
| 09:29.34 | v0lZy | but it assumes raid1 with 2 hard disks and obviously somewhere along the way, the installer messes up |
| 09:29.35 | cousin_mario | babilen: there is one? |
| 09:29.47 | babilen | v0lZy: I haven't tinkered with mdadm a lot (just used hw raids), but the raid should be assembled automagically on boot |
| 09:29.53 | v0lZy | mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found |
| 09:29.57 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: interesting thing though |
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| 09:30.32 | v0lZy | babilen, cousin_mario: yeah, it should be.. and i can do it manually from initramfs... but it isnt done automatically.. it says "mdadm: No devices listed in conf file were found" |
| 09:30.37 | babilen | cousin_mario: "svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk mplayer |
| 09:31.03 | v0lZy | and i did the /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf ; rm /var/lib/mdadm/CONF-UNCHECKED etc... |
| 09:31.16 | v0lZy | tried mdadm --examine --scan > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 09:31.18 | v0lZy | etc etc |
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| 09:31.36 | v0lZy | automatically, it just doesnt get the md's up to boot from. |
| 09:32.07 | cousin_mario | babilen: I meant the package repository, I'm using the svn one |
| 09:34.22 | babilen | v0lZy: what about using the UUIDS from blkid in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 09:34.46 | babilen | v0lZy: And please google that error, bunch of hits |
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| 09:34.59 | v0lZy | yeah i checked those |
| 09:35.10 | v0lZy | but i cant find a valid solution |
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| 09:35.33 | v0lZy | its normal that blkid differes from mdadm |
| 09:35.47 | v0lZy | i checked in arch, its the different there too |
| 09:37.24 | v0lZy | perhaps i can somewhere add a "sleep 5" or something like that? |
| 09:37.35 | babilen | cousin_mario: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html#s-newupstream |
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| 09:40.21 | cousin_mario | babilen: I'm saving it for later:D |
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| 09:41.12 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: you could check if they have a mailing list, that's where I ask what I need for my voyage-linux router |
| 09:41.23 | cousin_mario | (lenny derivative) |
| 09:41.29 | v0lZy | i already posted something in the forum |
| 09:41.33 | v0lZy | no reply as of yet |
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| 09:43.13 | schwede | does anyone know a good subsitute for exim4? |
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| 09:44.39 | babilen | v0lZy: I would try to update the initramfs, check UUIDs in mdadm.conf against mdadm -E /dev/sd?? ... and so on. Still, your Debian based distribution is, unfortunately, not supported in here .. |
| 09:44.52 | babilen | schwede: why do you need a substitute for exim4? |
| 09:45.22 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: what are the advantages it has over plain lenny? |
| 09:46.27 | schwede | babilen: well.. I heard that the exim4 is not maintained anymore.. and it was recommended that I try postfix |
| 09:46.43 | v0lZy | mailcleaner |
| 09:46.46 | schwede | so I wondered if that is something that could be worth thinking about |
| 09:46.50 | v0lZy | ? |
| 09:46.53 | cousin_mario | c0nv1ct: yes |
| 09:46.56 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: yes* |
| 09:47.01 | v0lZy | check it out |
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| 09:47.05 | v0lZy | www.mailcleaner.org |
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| 09:47.34 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: the webgui then? |
| 09:47.42 | babilen | schwede: huh? I doubt that exim4 is unmaintained as it is the default mta in Debian .. |
| 09:48.23 | rww | schwede: exim's latest stable release was about a month ago, so I'm guessing you heard wrong. |
| 09:49.01 | babilen | schwede: ... and upstream has definitely not stopped development of exim |
| 09:49.15 | babilen | schwede: Still, if you want to use postfix, go ahead and use it |
| 09:49.17 | v0lZy | not just that |
| 09:49.55 | v0lZy | its preconfigured drop in thing |
| 09:50.03 | v0lZy | users can check their own quarantines etc |
| 09:50.07 | v0lZy | its pretty cool |
| 09:50.17 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: indeed, but can you update packages without waiting for the next release? |
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| 09:57.34 | v0lZy | i dont know |
| 09:59.00 | v0lZy | its all one complete package |
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| 10:01.34 | cousin_mario | v0lZy: that's what scares me the most about such solutions |
| 10:01.45 | v0lZy | why is that? |
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| 10:02.26 | cousin_mario | you can't update packages |
| 10:03.12 | v0lZy | well not dailiy i guess. |
| 10:03.18 | v0lZy | but eventually they do release updates... |
| 10:03.27 | v0lZy | which you can apply when they release them so.. i dont think its a problem |
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| 10:08.26 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 10:08.37 | v0lZy | gotta run |
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| 10:12.53 | v0lZy | let me try and upgrade |
| 10:12.57 | v0lZy | sudo apt-get upgrade or something? |
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| 10:16.36 | v0lZy | nah, same thing after apt-get upgrade. |
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| 10:18.25 | Afshin | hi to all |
| 10:19.11 | Afshin | can anyone introduce one remote administration tool (like webmin) on debian ? |
| 10:20.09 | bolt-work | ssh usually does the job |
| 10:20.26 | bolt-work | !webmin |
| 10:20.26 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 10:21.19 | bolt-work | bottom line, you can use webmin on debian if you're so inclined, but you should rather just learn to set the stuff up yourself |
| 10:22.23 | Afshin | is webmin package on Debian repository (4 DVDs) ? |
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| 10:24.04 | bolt-work | nope. you need to install it yourself. and like dpkg said, don't use their .debs |
| 10:24.15 | infernix | i need to provide a simple two option menu to some users over ssh that does some file alteration for them. they're clueless. what are my options? |
| 10:24.57 | infernix | i could do it in bash with a for loop and read blah but is there anything better? |
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| 10:25.12 | infernix | *while loop |
| 10:25.13 | Anonissimus | infernix: cronjob |
| 10:25.41 | bolt-work | infernix: combine a bash script with the "dialog" package |
| 10:25.54 | bolt-work | infernix: makes for some nice, user friendly ncurses dialogs |
| 10:26.02 | bolt-work | infernix: or a cronjob, yes, if it can be automated |
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| 10:27.36 | chilli0 | Hello , Is it possible to do this? Have an old computer that will get all of my traffic from my network and forward it to the router. And on the computer I want it to be blocking websites and also saving brandwidth. |
| 10:27.56 | bolt-work | chilicui1: any transparent proxy can do that. squid, perhaps? |
| 10:27.58 | petemc | chilli0: sure, install a proxy like squid |
| 10:28.20 | Afshin | thanks for your helps |
| 10:28.25 | bolt-work | chilicui1: sorry, that was for chilli0 |
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| 10:28.40 | chilli0 | petemc, Can it also save brandwidth usage? |
| 10:28.46 | petemc | yes |
| 10:28.52 | chilli0 | Wicked =P |
| 10:28.54 | petemc | it caches web pages |
| 10:29.12 | bolt-work | chilli0: it will cache pages according to your settings. you can set minimum and maximum size, file types etc. |
| 10:29.47 | chilli0 | If I chose to cache page's will it slow down the network much? |
| 10:30.23 | bolt-work | chilli0: not if the drive you're caching on is fast enough. it *should* speed it up |
| 10:30.44 | chilli0 | ok cool. |
| 10:30.50 | bolt-work | chilli0: otherwise your old computer might be a bit too old. or you did something wrong :P |
| 10:31.07 | chilli0 | But caching may also not work the best if its a website like facebook ? |
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| 10:31.52 | bolt-work | chilli0: i see no reason why that shouldn't work |
| 10:32.01 | greyfiend | hey, am I right in saying that there is no flashplugin availible for debian ppc, or chromium browser? |
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| 10:32.15 | chilli0 | bolt-work, I guess I miss understand caching? |
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| 10:32.37 | bolt-work | greyfiend: there's a #debian-ppc if you don't get a reply here |
| 10:32.50 | chilli0 | bolt-work, Doesn't it save the webpage and just re-serve it up ? |
| 10:33.00 | greyfiend | bolt, thanks just came from that silent wasteland :) |
| 10:33.22 | bolt-work | chilli0: it *should* check the header on the remote server first, to verify that its own version is up to date, before sending it to you |
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| 10:34.18 | bolt-work | chilli0: so if the page has changed, it should grab a new version for you |
| 10:34.24 | chilli0 | bolt-work, Oh nice =P |
| 10:34.27 | chilli0 | My bad. |
| 10:34.49 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 10:34.55 | d3x | that reminds me that i should setup a caching proxy at home... i have downloading upgrades twice :) |
| 10:34.58 | d3x | s/have/hate/ |
| 10:35.11 | chilli0 | And I guess squid has windows support ? |
| 10:35.38 | d3x | what do you mean by 'windows support'? |
| 10:35.58 | [gnubie] | anyone here uses debian squeeze amd64 and xen? i need help wherein during bootup, it cannot find my /dev/sda3 where my / partition resides.. kindly check http://www.pastie.org/1033890 for more information. |
| 10:36.02 | bolt-work | chilli0: browsers have proxy support. squid is a proxy. |
| 10:36.10 | bolt-work | chilli0: not dependent on OS as such |
| 10:36.29 | bolt-work | chilli0: and if you make it transparent, they don't even need proxy support. nice for testing though |
| 10:36.30 | infernix | bolt-work: dialog it is :> |
| 10:36.41 | bolt-work | infernix: have fun ;) |
| 10:36.47 | chilli0 | bolt-work, Well , I could feed all of the http traffic to it. |
| 10:36.54 | chilli0 | That's what I was thinking of doing anyway. |
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| 10:37.59 | chilli0 | bolt-work, Is there anyway to cap users with squid? |
| 10:38.20 | chilli0 | ( slow speed down if there brandwidth is over x amount |
| 10:38.33 | chilli0 | Or cap all users if total brandwidth is >x |
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| 10:38.58 | bolt-work | chilli0: never tried, sorry. there might |
| 10:39.07 | bolt-work | chilli0: not based on user, but maybe ip |
| 10:39.14 | petemc | chilli0: why not go read up on squid now that you now it does some of what you neeD? |
| 10:39.36 | [gnubie] | anyone here familiar or experienced the same problem? anyone cares to advice me what to do to fix this problem as i already spent almost a week on this.. :( |
| 10:39.57 | chilli0 | petemc, Just got onto there site. |
| 10:40.04 | petemc | good stuff |
| 10:41.54 | hacker_kid | anyone have experience with debian lenny as a guest in virtualbox? install went smooth but now all i get is a kernel panic (not syncing) |
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| 10:42.08 | chilli0 | silly hacker_kid. |
| 10:44.43 | RichiH | [gnubie]: if you mean FLOSS xen, ask #xen as well |
| 10:45.12 | RichiH | if you mean xenserver by citrix send email to their support and tell them how much they suck for not supporting 64 bit debian |
| 10:45.37 | RichiH | [gnubie]: also, see what i said in the other channel |
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| 10:49.23 | [gnubie] | RichiH: i'm using the packages from squeeze repository |
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| 10:49.43 | [gnubie] | RichiH: so i assume that it is a floss xen |
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| 10:50.29 | [gnubie] | RichiH: yeah, i read it.. sorry, i was out for a while.. |
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| 10:53.46 | aguitel | anyway to make more faster this card in squeeze:Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics ? |
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| 10:56.05 | visof | hello |
| 10:56.23 | visof | i tried to use wine , and i got that : visof@laptop:~/Desktop$ wine x56zs177eimd6k614prl2bi7m6xqdmes.exe |
| 10:56.25 | visof | install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables |
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| 10:57.19 | Vroomfondle | visof: use winetricks to install dotnet packages |
| 10:57.21 | Vroomfondle | http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks |
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| 11:01.07 | chilli0 | with squid it's fast when i'm on the same domain , but if i go to a url it just goes uber slow =S |
| 11:01.25 | chilli0 | with the defaults. |
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| 11:05.16 | koollman | loopidity: yes |
| 11:05.37 | loopidity | thanks koollman |
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| 11:06.03 | koollman | loopidity: 7 means 'all rights', sum of read (4) + write (2) + execute (1) |
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| 11:07.00 | loopidity | koollman, in my external drive, however I am not able to change the permission of the files |
| 11:07.10 | loopidity | it always stays the way it is, |
| 11:07.13 | loopidity | 700 |
| 11:07.32 | loopidity | i tried 755, but it gets back to 700, so for external disk, its not possible? |
| 11:07.44 | koollman | probably because the filesystem doesn't handle unix permission (like ntfs or fat32) |
| 11:09.01 | loopidity | ok |
| 11:09.03 | loopidity | gotcha |
| 11:09.05 | loopidity | its ntfs |
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| 11:25.01 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v got a question regarding rsyslog : i'm using it as a centralized log server and when messages matches regex, email are generated. That works fine except if I have some flapping on a device, in that case I'm flooded of emails. Rsyslog has the option ActionExecOnlyOnceEveryInterval but it only allow 1 message per time slot, I would like to be able to tell rsyslog to let x messages to go out per time slot. Any |
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| 11:45.14 | plastun | hello! how to correct upgrade Lenny to Squeeze? While apt-get dist-upgrade it install 2.6.32-5 image and breaks at udev installation |
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| 11:49.34 | v0lZy | that raid thingy... anyone? |
| 11:49.43 | v0lZy | I still cant solve the issue |
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| 11:52.49 | infernix | v0lZy: you want CONFIG_MD_AUTODETECT=y |
| 11:53.03 | infernix | zgrep AUTODETECT /proc/config.gz |
| 11:53.53 | infernix | if it's set but not working then your partition types are probably not set correctly |
| 11:54.24 | infernix | if it's not set you need a recompiled kernel with that flag on |
| 11:54.45 | smyows | when debian sid will be avaiable stable release? |
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| 11:55.18 | v0lZy | infernix: where do I want that? |
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| 11:56.49 | greyfiend | gnash won't install becasue libboost-thread1.40.0 has no installation candidate? |
| 11:57.20 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 11:57.21 | [gnubie] | gtg now |
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| 11:57.57 | [gnubie] | thanks |
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| 12:04.00 | v0lZy | infernix: there is no /porc/config.gz |
| 12:04.07 | v0lZy | erm /proc/config.gz |
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| 12:04.31 | v0lZy | w0000000t!!! fixed it |
| 12:04.34 | v0lZy | rootdelay=10 |
| 12:04.43 | Bennit | Hellow |
| 12:04.49 | Bennit | I'm folowing this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 12:04.55 | Bennit | to set up chrooted users |
| 12:05.03 | Bennit | (who are within a specific group) |
| 12:05.29 | Bennit | It says however that after step 3, Enabling Chrooted SFTP |
| 12:05.54 | Bennit | I should be able to use sftp |
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| 12:06.23 | Bennit | however It doesn't work, refuses my password I've set for the added user |
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| 12:09.50 | shtrb | How can I help in kernel bug don't only happen in experimental ? |
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| 12:10.34 | Bennit_GRR | Bah, great, closed my connected screen so now I can't even open new connections to my pc |
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| 12:14.34 | Bennit | well that's fixed now, commented out the GroupMatch |
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| 12:14.52 | Bennit | dunno why but it blocked access to my own account which normally has no deal at all with that group |
| 12:14.59 | Bennit | nvm it does |
| 12:15.01 | Bennit | Bah |
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| 12:15.48 | nsadmin | tries the chroot sftp... |
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| 12:19.17 | Bennit | anyways, still fails for the user |
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| 12:19.29 | Bennit | (created a new group, and readded the user to the group) |
| 12:19.44 | Bennit | added* not readded) |
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| 12:19.46 | b0nghitter | how do i remove a package without it messing with deps and chit? |
| 12:19.51 | v0lZy | thanks for all the help guys |
| 12:19.53 | v0lZy | see you around! |
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| 12:20.35 | Anonissimus | how can I connect my serial port to another machine? |
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| 12:21.23 | rvsjoen | via a cable |
| 12:21.35 | Anonissimus | I meant how can I get that in console? |
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| 12:21.51 | Anonissimus | with windows putty just offers me a serial port |
| 12:22.07 | rvsjoen | device nodes /dev/ttySX |
| 12:22.18 | rvsjoen | usually |
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| 12:22.34 | Anonissimus | so I can just open that as a terminal? |
| 12:22.34 | rvsjoen | you can use a client like minicom |
| 12:23.43 | Bennit | b0nghitter: log says it's due to bad ownership, what should be the owner of a chrooted env? |
| 12:24.09 | Bennit | well, broken chrooted env cos I don't need ssh-access, only sftp suffices |
| 12:24.12 | nsadmin | welp, got it to fail on just the user that I added the sshd_config stanza about |
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| 12:24.36 | Bennit | nsadmin* not b0nghitter , oops |
| 12:25.16 | nsadmin | I don't have too much info yet |
| 12:25.49 | nsadmin | I added the stanza for a user, created that user, restarted sshd |
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| 12:26.15 | nsadmin | logging in as that user causes the connection to drop the second it logs in |
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| 12:26.59 | nsadmin | test with another user, connects fine |
| 12:28.14 | Bennit | http://pastebin.com/aCxf1n98 # is there something wrong with this setup for a chrooted env? |
| 12:28.22 | Bennit | (the auth log says there is) |
| 12:28.22 | Anonissimus | rvsjoen: if I use minicom -p ttys0 it fails on me; could you give me some more info on how to use this? |
| 12:32.37 | nsadmin | can't continue... but one thing you have to do is populate your chroot with things like /bin/bash and all its libs |
| 12:33.23 | nsadmin | that is if you want chrooted ssh too (not just file transfer) |
| 12:34.37 | rvsjoen | anonissimus: do minicom -s, and do the serial port setup there |
| 12:34.38 | Bennit | don't need ssh :) |
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| 12:34.39 | nsadmin | I didn't check my auth.log |
| 12:34.42 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 12:34.55 | wfq | anyone has any idea why I can print from everywhere except pdf files? |
| 12:35.06 | rvsjoen | evolution ? :) |
| 12:36.35 | nsadmin | fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/home/nsad2" |
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| 12:42.19 | dv_ | hi |
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| 12:42.31 | dv_ | I noticed that 127.0.0.1 is hardcode in /etc/default/snmpd |
| 12:42.35 | dv_ | +d |
| 12:42.51 | dv_ | I need a way to change that programmatically |
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| 12:43.12 | dv_ | is there something more clever than to manually search that file for 127.0.0.1? |
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| 12:44.04 | rvsjoen | hardcoded in a configuration file ? |
| 12:45.25 | wfq | I see no problems in syslog or cups/error_log |
| 12:45.38 | b0nghitter | fail2ban keeps locking me out |
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| 12:46.14 | b0nghitter | i did the iptables drop and removed my ip from hosts.deny but it keeps readding my ip |
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| 12:46.26 | b0nghitter | every time i try to connect |
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| 12:47.07 | wrksx | hi |
| 12:47.26 | wrksx | is there any objection to using * in a filename ? |
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| 12:49.50 | dp | does anyone know how I can get the resolution on bar graphs in iftop to reset after a time? |
| 12:49.55 | d3x | wrksx, it's just weird, but you can do it |
| 12:50.18 | d3x | touch '*'; and guess what rm * does now :) |
| 12:50.26 | wrksx | .... |
| 12:50.33 | wrksx | d3x you're right |
| 12:50.54 | wrksx | but my file will be called *.domain.com |
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| 12:51.02 | d3x | [14:50:49] d3x@burek:~/Music/Linkin Park/Reanimation$ ls|grep '*' |
| 12:51.02 | d3x | 06. P5hng Me A*wy.mp3 |
| 12:51.26 | wrksx | du you think I must escape the star when using this filename into apache2 config file ? |
| 12:51.43 | d3x | hm... not sure, try it and see :) |
| 12:51.45 | petemc | wrksx: that seems like a bad idea, what are you really trying to achieve? |
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| 12:52.34 | d3x | wrksx, try maybe substituting it for anything.domain.com, wildcard.domain.com, _.domain.com or whatever. asterisk is quite non-friendly character for a filename :) |
| 12:52.38 | wrksx | petemc, a stupid idea, it's just to clearly show that this virtualhost config maps evry subdomain |
| 12:52.52 | wrksx | d3x, yes you're right again |
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| 12:53.31 | wrksx | d3x, petemc, thanks |
| 12:54.05 | Bennit | http://pastebin.com/5Ju0Divn # try 3 - still failing |
| 12:54.15 | Bennit | (chrooted sftp login) |
| 12:54.23 | Bennit | and this time auth.log says even less |
| 12:54.47 | elenril | are python modules in /usr/lib/ supposed to be preferred over ones in /usr/local/lib? |
| 12:55.02 | elenril | or my python path is just messed up? |
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| 12:55.35 | Anonissimus | rvsjoen: neither minicom nor cutecom worked, but putty listened |
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| 12:56.17 | d3x | elenril, i guess local should have higher priority. unless you have changed it in some python's config regarding include directories |
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| 12:57.52 | damnthingisnotwo | i installed java on the root but it doesn't reflected under other users account |
| 12:58.05 | elenril | d3x: that's what i think too |
| 12:58.23 | dropson | I have a script with "screen /usr/bin/perl perlscript.pl" that works fine to run. But when I try to delay the run with "at" using (at /root/init_script.sh now + 1 minutes) the script never runs. |
| 12:58.25 | elenril | but for some reason packages from /usr/lib are preferred for python2.6 |
| 12:58.34 | dropson | at -f * |
| 12:58.41 | elenril | not for python2.5 though |
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| 13:01.00 | Freelancer | hej |
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| 13:01.45 | Freelancer | I would like to have multiple keyboard layouts, but I don't know how to modify xorg.conf to have a shortcut changing the layout (like alt+shift) on windows |
| 13:01.51 | Freelancer | can somebody help me? |
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| 13:02.50 | Bennit | my irssi crashed, said anything else nsadmin? |
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| 13:03.33 | unixp | is that the right command to clean the trash? rm -fr /home/unixp/.Trash |
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| 13:05.00 | nkuttler | unixp: the command line has no trash |
| 13:05.28 | unixp | how is the way to clean the trash normally? |
| 13:05.33 | nkuttler | Freelancer: don't you use something like gnome/kde? |
| 13:05.46 | nkuttler | unixp: that would depend on your wm/de |
| 13:05.51 | elenril | Freelancer: use /etc/default/keyboard |
| 13:06.09 | Freelancer | nkuttler > xfce, but I want it to be available on command-line |
| 13:06.45 | nkuttler | Freelancer: /msg dpkg keymap. i would also guess that you can use some gnome/kde tool |
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| 13:07.00 | damnthingisnotwo | hey guys |
| 13:07.03 | damnthingisnotwo | need help here |
| 13:07.15 | Freelancer | elenril > what do you mean? |
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| 13:07.56 | elenril | Freelancer: imo the easiest way is to modify that file |
| 13:08.24 | elenril | i think it comes with keyboard-configuration package |
| 13:08.27 | Freelancer | elenril > I don't have that file actually... |
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| 13:10.12 | Freelancer | nkuttler > actually, I think it's not what i want. I don't want to change only the console. I wanna work in us keyboard, and if I press "alt+shift", for instance, I want it to change the keyboard layout to something else |
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| 13:11.51 | damnthingisnotwo | just quick que: why the root installed stuff doesn't show up on users? |
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| 13:13.26 | nkuttler | Freelancer: apt-cache search keyboard switch |
| 13:13.38 | nkuttler | damnthingisnotwo: it's not in $PATH? |
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| 13:14.23 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: How did you install the software? (and yes, its the PATH) |
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| 13:14.33 | damnthingisnotwo | hey babilen |
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| 13:14.40 | damnthingisnotwo | i just apt-get install java-default |
| 13:15.14 | jonkri | i want to backport openldap from sid to lenny, i hear it can be done farily easily. i have never done a backport before, can someone explain to me briefly what i need to do and/or point me in the direction of some good documentation? thanks |
| 13:15.17 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:15.26 | babilen | ,versions java-default |
| 13:15.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'java-default' was found. |
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| 13:15.34 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: That package is not in Debian |
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| 13:16.00 | damnthingisnotwo | apt-get install default-jre |
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| 13:16.07 | nkuttler | jonkri: /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 13:16.39 | damnthingisnotwo | df -h on root != df -h on users |
| 13:16.40 | damnthingisnotwo | why?> |
| 13:16.48 | jonkri | damnthingisnotwo: cool stuff :) thanks |
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| 13:17.03 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: So you installed openjdk-6-jre and what are you missing right now? |
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| 13:17.18 | mainiak | hi, could you please tell me which subsystem is responsible for handling interfaces (it shows link up/down in syslog/messages) ?? |
| 13:17.33 | damnthingisnotwo | whatever i have on the root doesn't show up |
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| 13:17.41 | damnthingisnotwo | let me pastebin the df -h |
| 13:17.42 | damnthingisnotwo | one sec |
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| 13:18.24 | babilen | I don't quite understand how this question if related to your Java problem ⦠|
| 13:18.36 | damnthingisnotwo | nothing to do with java |
| 13:18.44 | damnthingisnotwo | whatever i installed as root,doesn't show up on users |
| 13:18.49 | damnthingisnotwo | account |
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| 13:19.15 | dokma | Guys, this is driving me nuts. I can't position my display on the monitor to be centered. It is offset upwards by some half an inch and there is a black strip under the display. I tried amdcccle and it cannot push it any lower than that. I even tried to set it under windows and move back to my machine but no go. Any other possibilities or ideas? |
| 13:19.22 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: Can you give an example? |
| 13:19.32 | damnthingisnotwo | one sec |
| 13:19.33 | damnthingisnotwo | finding it |
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| 13:20.03 | damnthingisnotwo | let me pastebin df -h |
| 13:20.03 | dokma | And I tried to change refresh rates as well. It's an LCD Samsung 193P. |
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| 13:20.52 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: why? if you can run df as root and as user you are already able to execute that program as root and as user ... |
| 13:21.19 | damnthingisnotwo | users file are located at /home/myhub/user |
| 13:21.25 | damnthingisnotwo | and root is / |
| 13:21.36 | damnthingisnotwo | so i don't know when i add new file inside root,user can't see it |
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| 13:22.17 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: How is this related to programs installed with aptitude/apt-get? It might help a little if you would explain what you are trying to achieve .. |
| 13:22.23 | Freelancer | nkuttler > none of them works for me |
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| 13:22.42 | Freelancer | nkuttler > I'm sure there's a way in xorg.conf, but I don't find how to do |
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| 13:23.36 | damnthingisnotwo | babilen : www.pastebin.com/JE73P2dt |
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| 13:24.02 | damnthingisnotwo | babilen: i installed damn thing under root |
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| 13:24.24 | damnthingisnotwo | can you have a look at df -h i got from user and root? |
| 13:25.00 | damnthingisnotwo | i found it |
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| 13:25.16 | damnthingisnotwo | root stuff are inclued inside /.root |
| 13:25.37 | babilen | wtf if this? |
| 13:25.41 | babilen | s/if/is |
| 13:25.50 | babilen | Could you paste the output of "mount" please? |
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| 13:25.53 | damnthingisnotwo | one sec |
| 13:26.37 | damnthingisnotwo | from root or from user? |
| 13:26.37 | babilen | shouldn't matter |
| 13:26.37 | babilen | but paste both ... |
| 13:26.43 | damnthingisnotwo | pastebin.com/h8i0ZHxC |
| 13:26.46 | babilen | and include your fstab as well .. |
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| 13:26.53 | damnthingisnotwo | one sec |
| 13:26.54 | babilen | damn, too slow :) |
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| 13:27.52 | damnthingisnotwo | www.pastebin.com/Ww7fyauc : root |
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| 13:28.20 | Freelancer | nkuttler > found it! |
| 13:28.22 | Freelancer | !pastebin |
| 13:28.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 13:28.49 | cristi8 | hi, i need to disable mouse button 3 (the scroll-click), as it gets pushed very easily, and it just copies and pastes at cursor what is selected |
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| 13:29.00 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: are you mounting local filesystems with nfs? |
| 13:29.12 | damnthingisnotwo | i am using vmware |
| 13:29.14 | damnthingisnotwo | what y ou mean? |
| 13:29.18 | damnthingisnotwo | what is nfs? |
| 13:29.25 | damnthingisnotwo | googling nfs |
| 13:29.32 | jonkri | i'm trying to backport slapd but libdb4.7-dev is needed, see http://pastebin.com/RgKitwUU ... any ideas? thanks |
| 13:29.59 | damnthingisnotwo | The Network File System (NFS) was developed to allow machines to mount a disk partition on a remote machine as if it were a local disk. |
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| 13:30.01 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: What are all these /export things? And please paste your fstab ... |
| 13:30.12 | damnthingisnotwo | i did paste bin fstab |
| 13:30.30 | damnthingisnotwo | staring from line 19 is fstab |
| 13:31.08 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: I did not see a link to your fstab ... |
| 13:31.25 | damnthingisnotwo | http://pastebin.com/9L1ZfdHy |
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| 13:32.24 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: That is not your /etc/fstab but the output from "mount" |
| 13:32.46 | damnthingisnotwo | # /etc/fstab: static file system information. << line 19 |
| 13:32.47 | damnthingisnotwo | dude |
| 13:32.49 | Freelancer | nkuttler > if you are interested: http://paste.debian.net/79892 |
| 13:32.57 | Freelancer | nkuttler > thanks for your help! |
| 13:33.16 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: :-p |
| 13:33.17 | damnthingisnotwo | please scroll down |
| 13:33.40 | damnthingisnotwo | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> << line21 |
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| 13:34.45 | damnthingisnotwo | am i wrong dude? |
| 13:34.49 | babilen | no, you are not |
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| 13:35.32 | babilen | ok, what are the /export things? (I have never heard of that directory) And what is actually the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 13:35.34 | damnthingisnotwo | can you see it now? |
| 13:35.43 | damnthingisnotwo | babilen |
| 13:35.48 | optraz | any application that monitor the process in the system and restart app if it found app is dead? |
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| 13:35.54 | damnthingisnotwo | users account has different root directory |
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| 13:36.08 | damnthingisnotwo | the root stuff are stored under ".root" rather than users root |
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| 13:36.13 | damnthingisnotwo | it's using middleware |
| 13:36.18 | damnthingisnotwo | users is @ middleware level |
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| 13:37.40 | courpse | optraz: cron? |
| 13:38.23 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: So, you are trying to jail users? |
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| 13:39.18 | damnthingisnotwo | i found the problem |
| 13:39.30 | damnthingisnotwo | the root stuff are inside .root folder |
| 13:39.35 | damnthingisnotwo | and users has its own root |
| 13:40.05 | babilen | which still leaves the question why you using such a weird setup ... :-\ |
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| 13:40.21 | babilen | (also completely non-FHS) |
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| 13:40.29 | jonkri | i need libdb4.7 for lenny but only libdb4.6 and libdb4.8 seem to be available when i do an apt-cache search. what can i do? |
| 13:40.39 | damnthingisnotwo | question |
| 13:40.47 | babilen | needs a coffee |
| 13:40.48 | damnthingisnotwo | how do i install software in the users account? |
| 13:40.55 | damnthingisnotwo | when i type sudo |
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| 13:41.01 | damnthingisnotwo | it asks me user passwd: |
| 13:41.08 | damnthingisnotwo | i let them to ask me root passwd |
| 13:41.10 | damnthingisnotwo | why? |
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| 13:41.29 | courpse | sudo isnt root passwd, its user passwd of user which is added to sudoers file. |
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| 13:41.41 | babilen | damnthingisnotwo: You probably want to setup a *real* user jail... google for "user chroot jail" and setup that chroot (you could also debootsptrap something in there .. or whatever .. |
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| 13:42.17 | damnthingisnotwo | sry babilen |
| 13:42.24 | damnthingisnotwo | can i sync root and user stuff? |
| 13:42.30 | damnthingisnotwo | let users use root /usr/bin? |
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| 13:44.11 | wrksx | is there any problems with creating directories under /home ? I can't figure out what happens if I put datas in /home/foo and then I create a user called foo. |
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| 13:45.03 | xx1 | try it for yourself? |
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| 13:46.25 | chomwitt | in my lenny system apache is installed but doenst autostart. is that the default or accidentaly i did sth wrong |
| 13:46.27 | jordanm | wrksx: breakage if you give foo the homedir /home/foo, because the permissions will be off |
| 13:46.44 | HellMind | I think I've received a dos atack yesterday, my linux box droped all conecctions and was unresponsible for any kind of connection (udp/tcp/icmp) I ended up disabling the ip that was under attack, how can I see what kind of attack do such things? how can isolate that ip? |
| 13:46.49 | jordanm | chomwitt: no, its not the default, use sysv-rc-conf to manage startup services |
| 13:47.06 | zeal__ | hi all, i pack my binaries to .deb, if i install some files in HOME-folder they have root own and my application can't edit them. How can i setup perms for that files? |
| 13:47.39 | HellMind | I got like 10 ip, I cant understand how if an attack is targetin a single ip , every ip of the linux box is unresponsible |
| 13:47.59 | jordanm | zeal__: in debian/rules you can run commands to change permissions. however, it highly recommend you do not install to /home, as dpkg may want to remove the entire /home directory when removing a package |
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| 13:49.06 | jordanm | zeal__: dpkg is meant for system packages, not local installations you would typically put in /home with user perms |
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| 13:49.32 | chomwitt | jordanm: thanks |
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| 13:50.24 | jordanm | chomwitt: sorry, I typed that kind of wierd. the default installation will start apache at boot |
| 13:50.32 | zeal__ | jordanm: thanx |
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| 13:51.42 | chomwitt | jordanm: so in my case i should i try to reinstallit , use dpkg-reconfigure or sysv-rc-conf u sugested? |
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| 13:52.12 | jordanm | chomwitt: use sysv-rc-conf |
| 13:52.25 | chomwitt | thanks jordanm |
| 13:53.21 | HellMind | can this error Orphaned socket dropped (88,176 in CT0), be the cause that my server turns unresponsable? |
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| 13:54.45 | greyfiend | anyone got flash/gnash working with debian ppc? |
| 13:54.59 | xsdg | HellMind: reading back, to answer your first question, a linux machine has a hard limit on the number of ports it can have "in use" at a single time |
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| 13:55.28 | xsdg | HellMind: sorry, s/ports/connections/ |
| 13:56.46 | HellMind | How do I know when it has reached that value, how can I limit it by ip |
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| 13:57.16 | jordanm | iptables |
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| 14:27.22 | ryx | Hi, how can I make it so that plugging in a mouse on my laptop lets me use it (on unstable)? |
| 14:27.30 | ryx | that used to work, I don't know what broke it |
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| 14:29.00 | d3x | ryx, use a working mouse ;) |
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| 14:29.10 | d3x | ryx, what does dmesg say? |
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| 14:29.57 | ryx | the mouse works fine on my desktop |
| 14:31.03 | ryx | d3x: dmesg: http://pastebin.com/dFPiZzW8 |
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| 14:32.20 | ryx | I just tried a different mouse, it didn't work either |
| 14:32.27 | d3x | ryx, mhm... looks ok to me. udev running? |
| 14:32.43 | b0nghitter | how do i remove uninstalled packages from sysv-rc-conf? |
| 14:32.54 | ryx | yes |
| 14:33.41 | d3x | ryx, out of ideas for now. and i gotta go :) |
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| 14:33.55 | SparFux | Hi! |
| 14:34.02 | nifiga | hi there. i'm using up-to-date debian with xen from its packages. sometimes i get strange error dump in log/messages and server's ping grows to 300-400ms(normal is 10-20). after 3-5 minutes it becomes normal again. here is the log http://pastebin.com/SHTHidzz can anyone help ? ;D |
| 14:34.03 | ryx | d3x: thanks for your time |
| 14:34.13 | SparFux | I have no dhcp-client in debian sid, and there is a conflict with resolv package! |
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| 14:34.27 | SparFux | Anybody know hwo that is meant to be? Why the confliict? |
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| 14:38.44 | datacrusher | is there a way to recover root password? |
| 14:38.52 | datacrusher | i have fisical access |
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| 14:39.21 | jonkri | when building libdb4.7, while trying to install it i get an error: "mktemp: invalid option -- -"... apparantly, the lenny version of mktemp doesn't support the --tmpdir parameter. i can't backport the sid version as mktemp is part of the coreutils package there. what can i do about this? i really need to backport libdb4.7-dev |
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| 14:41.00 | HellMind | If I do cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack | grep UNREPLIED | wc -l i get 1526 |
| 14:41.12 | HellMind | is that right?, why there are so many UNREPLIED connections? |
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| 14:49.24 | nifiga | any xen guru? |
| 14:49.58 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 14:49.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:50.21 | nifiga | i asked before =\ |
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| 14:51.48 | ryx | datacrusher: you can reset the root password, but otherwise there's only brute-force or dictionary attacks |
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| 14:53.26 | jordanm | !tell datacrusher about forgot root password |
| 14:54.33 | HellMind | tcp_syncookies is recommended to be on? |
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| 15:01.00 | jonkri | is there a way to skip the tests for a deb package when building with apt-get -b source? |
| 15:01.11 | jonkri | they take like half an hour and i've already done them once :) |
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| 15:04.11 | jordanm | jonkri: remove the tests from debian/rules and manually call dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:04.21 | jordanm | (not recommended) |
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| 15:06.05 | datacrusher | well. was kinda easy. i got sudo access, just made sudo passwd and got root password changed, thanks anyway |
| 15:06.10 | optraz | courpse: cron is just run application on time. |
| 15:06.48 | courpse | Yes, run a sh script every X minds to check if apps running, if not, exec. |
| 15:07.20 | jonkri | jordanm: is debian/rules what installs the package? |
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| 15:07.44 | jonkri | jordanm: because i find some uses of mktemp here (which causes the problems), maybe i could just modify the rules file |
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| 15:08.17 | datacrusher | bizarre. i got two equal machines, just installed debian 64 on it, and did the same path to install the nvidia drivers. both xorg.conf are equal, but the newer machine have just two resolutions to choose on the nvidia settings, whereas on this old one i have plenty of choice. is there a way to force bigger resolutions through xorg.conf? |
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| 15:08.37 | jonkri | the problem i think is the "mktemp --tmpdir sourcelist.XXXXXXXXXX" command |
| 15:08.52 | docmur | How would I rsync a mirror for Lenny x86_64, I have a PXE server and I want to store a local copy of the Lenny tree |
| 15:09.58 | cthuluh | docmur: just setup a proxy for apt, you don't need the whole lenny archive |
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| 15:13.29 | jordanm | jonkri: the entire debian/ dir handles packaging |
| 15:13.34 | jordanm | !tell jonkri about nmg |
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| 15:17.02 | datacrusher | iv noticed that in this machine that works the monitor was detected fine, lg t1753, but on the newer one its displayed CRT, how do i set the right monitor with nvidia? tryed nvidia-xconfig but stills with 640x, overwrite the xorg.conf from the working machine didnt help too |
| 15:17.04 | jonkri | thanks |
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| 15:20.26 | docmur | I have a strange issue, I have a preseed file where I have changed the mirror several times that the preseed points to. However when I run the debian install over my PXE it's grabing a mirror that I had in the file like 10 min ago. I've changed to a completely different server and it's not picking it up |
| 15:20.28 | docmur | any idea why? |
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| 15:21.53 | bagoor | Is bigmem means PAE ? |
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| 15:30.45 | babilen | bagoor: yes |
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| 15:31.03 | bagoor | babilen: Any other difference ? |
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| 15:37.29 | jair | guys I am running the following system => http://i48.tinypic.com/v2zcbs.png and works pretty well with all the applications I run on it, vmware workstation, vmware converter, openoffice, but when I am in google docs for some reason the cpu start running at 100% =( check this ---> http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxpr37.png |
| 15:39.07 | bartm | jair: any idea which process(es) use the cpu so much? |
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| 15:40.36 | jair | is there something I should try? like upgrading the version of firefox? (I installed this from source) |
| 15:40.52 | jair | bartm: obviously firefox-bin |
| 15:41.43 | FranzStrudel | are you having the same problems in another browser? |
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| 15:41.54 | neilk | firefox has an unfortunate habit, when you quit it, of sticking around and pegging the CPU |
| 15:42.00 | neilk | at least in my experience |
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| 15:42.21 | jordanm | jair: your system is out of date. upstream firefox support belongs at #firefox |
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| 15:42.40 | neilk | (modern firefox also has that unfortunate habit) |
| 15:43.27 | dutchfish | hi, rebuilding 2.6.32-16 for amd64 from debian source package went without a glitch (form SID) however uniinstalling leafs stuff behind, while compiling same version prestine does not. Any idees? |
| 15:43.59 | jonkri | i don't find where in the debian directory the dependencies are specified in http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/... anyone? |
| 15:44.38 | jordanm | jonkri: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control |
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| 15:45.36 | unixp | how is the rm command to delete all files into a directory without deleting the folder? |
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| 15:45.59 | jordanm | unixp: rm * |
| 15:46.08 | neilk | rm <directory> doesn't do anything |
| 15:46.09 | jordanm | unixp: rm dir/* |
| 15:47.20 | jair | jordanm: what do you mean that my system is out of date? |
| 15:47.49 | jordanm | jair: that info screen said 5.0.4, currently lenny is 5.0.5. looks like you missed the last point-release |
| 15:47.50 | jair | jordanm: let me update to 5.0.5 |
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| 15:48.45 | jair | see if there is any change, regardless you think that I should discuss with #firefox then since debian comes with iceweasel and I installed the upstream version. |
| 15:49.14 | jair | jordanm: thank you anyway for the info |
| 15:49.54 | bytologist | lo there -- any update on what's going on with the archives? |
| 15:50.01 | jordanm | jair: I don't think the point release had anything browser-specific, but I do not use iceweasel/firefox much |
| 15:50.08 | bartm | bytologist: what would be going on with the archives? |
| 15:50.12 | jordanm | the update was a side-note |
| 15:50.46 | bytologist | bartm: no update since this weekend, apparently some migration going on |
| 15:51.28 | jordanm | bytologist: it is pretty common for lenny to go a week or two without an security update |
| 15:51.46 | bytologist | I'm talking about sid |
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| 15:52.25 | _2 | does etch still get sedcurity updates ? |
| 15:52.40 | _2 | security even |
| 15:53.30 | jordanm | _2: no, it hasn't in 6months, and the repo has already been moved to the archives |
| 15:53.33 | dondelelcaro | bytologist: see debian-devel-announce; it's already finished, and things are migrating as normally |
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| 15:54.48 | _2 | jordanm and lenny will do that when ? |
| 15:55.46 | jordanm | _2: approx 1 year after squeeze is released |
| 15:55.47 | bytologist | dondelelcaro: thanks, the message is not yet on the list archive but I saw the updated timestamps on the master mirror |
| 15:55.52 | _2 | k |
| 15:56.49 | dondelelcaro | bytologist: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/07/msg00003.html |
| 15:57.51 | dondelelcaro | bytologist: and then the thread starting http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/07/msg00074.html |
| 15:58.04 | jordanm | seems to be subscribbed to that list, but didn't get that email |
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| 15:59.24 | anoob | hi, is there a way to add new session entrys to gdm? |
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| 15:59.29 | anoob | i wanna add another window manager |
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| 15:59.58 | visof__ | how can i know , what is the port number specific application use ? |
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| 16:00.04 | jordanm | anoob: from my experience, that is automatic if the window manager also provides an x-session-manager |
| 16:00.26 | neilk | netstat -p |
| 16:00.30 | anoob | it's not there jordanm... any tip? |
| 16:00.38 | jordanm | visof__: grep '<port>' /etc/services; netstat -lnap | grep foo for currently running services |
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| 16:01.08 | jordanm | anoob: I have never had to manually do so, but I would assume /usr/share/doc/gdm/ to be a start |
| 16:02.23 | neilk | netstat -p resolves the port numbers using /etc/services fwiw |
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| 16:02.40 | neilk | oh, that's what you were saying |
| 16:03.00 | jordanm | neilk: -p is *not* port, its process |
| 16:03.14 | neilk | yes, he wants to know what port a specific process is using |
| 16:03.39 | anoob | thank you jordanm |
| 16:03.45 | jordanm | which is a given... idk how you can call netstat with omitting the port |
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| 16:05.01 | jordanm | neilk: oh, I get what your saying now, the -n is what causes it show numerical ports, and not the matches in /etc/services |
| 16:05.19 | neilk | yea |
| 16:05.57 | neilk | and yeah, -a is also needed |
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| 16:15.22 | gps23 | is there some way i can simulate a click on gnome fish applet using command line? |
| 16:15.40 | gps23 | i way to see a fortune everytime i log in |
| 16:16.01 | gps23 | s/way/want/ |
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| 16:17.33 | PinkFreud | gps23: no need. 'fortune | xmessage -file -' |
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| 16:18.11 | gps23 | PinkFreud: wow this works great! thanks |
| 16:18.15 | PinkFreud | np |
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| 16:19.31 | b0nghitter | is it a bad idea to update to the latest rkhunter |
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| 16:23.40 | tharkun | How do i add to apt a key from a non official repository? |
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| 16:24.19 | jonkri | tharkun: look at the bottom here, perhaps: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:24.30 | jonkri | between the last hr and the one above it |
| 16:24.40 | jonkri | horizontal row |
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| 16:26.11 | tharkun | jonkri: thx, today is one of those stupid days that i expected aptitude to do all the work :-) |
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| 16:29.07 | jonkri | tharkun :) |
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| 16:33.50 | Zesturian | Is it possible to get a debian system back to the way it was installed? clearing files isn't going to be an issue, I just want a factory default machine, but I don't have physical access to it, so can't install from a cd / worried a netinst might leave me locked out with network settings. |
| 16:35.04 | bartm | Zesturian: it is possible to reinstall individual packages, but then you'd need to know which packages to reinstall |
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| 16:36.45 | Zesturian | bartm, I was afraid that might be the only way, guess I better ask the DC for a OS reload. |
| 16:36.50 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: not trivially, no; if you have a remote machine without physical access, you can do fun things with chroots or similar. |
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| 16:37.20 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: but it's almost always easier to get physical access or an installer in there somehow |
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| 16:39.00 | seliopou | Hey, I'm having a problem patching/building a debian source package, When I do a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot after I applied my changes, I get the error "required file `debian/Makefile.in' not found, along with two other files in the debian directory (defs.mk.in, control.in) |
| 16:39.04 | Zesturian | dondelelcaro, yeah, basically got a memory leak in apache2, no idea what has been modified etc, so resetting to factory default at least can try and rule out the vanilla OS |
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| 16:40.11 | seliopou | Does anybody know the cause of this? |
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| 16:42.14 | hhhh | hello |
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| 16:42.41 | hhhh | can i install mpicc on my laptop? i don't have a server node though |
| 16:42.43 | hhhh | any help? |
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| 16:43.44 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: uh... that's not going to help you much |
| 16:44.01 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: what are you doing with apache2? serving php? |
| 16:44.51 | qq- | hhhh, as in mpich , why not |
| 16:44.57 | qq- | ? |
| 16:45.03 | hhhh | i can't compile mpi with gcc |
| 16:45.04 | hhhh | why? |
| 16:45.18 | hhhh | ok.i will download and install mpich |
| 16:45.22 | hhhh | is it easy to install that? |
| 16:45.33 | qq- | aptitude install mpich |
| 16:46.16 | hhhh | i'm using debian |
| 16:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | Zesturian: You could purge apache & reinstall. |
| 16:46.17 | qq- | or so .. |
| 16:46.33 | Zesturian | dondelelcaro, that was the intention, but unloaded php5, pretty much left with a REALLY lightweight install, the vsz was still at 88MB, we have another system running on CentOS with same spec and that runs at about 70MB that's with a bunch of loaded modules too (that is an whm / cpanel setup) |
| 16:46.58 | qq- | hhhh, apt-cache search mpich , choose what you needs from |
| 16:47.05 | Zesturian | jhutchins_lt, attempted that, even tried compiling from source package, seems to be something al ittle deeper. |
| 16:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: sure, but you're running totally different libraries, etc. |
| 16:47.26 | hhhh | hey qq- |
| 16:47.41 | hhhh | could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status -open(2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:47.42 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: the question is whether the memory usage grows unreasonably as apache is running |
| 16:48.05 | dondelelcaro | hhhh: that's not good; restore it from a backup. |
| 16:48.06 | hhhh | i don't have root access. |
| 16:48.07 | qq- | hhhh, install is doen by root |
| 16:48.14 | hhhh | can i download it as a package? |
| 16:48.32 | qq- | sure , whet it |
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| 16:48.39 | qq- | wget* |
| 16:48.42 | hhhh | easy as well? |
| 16:48.50 | Zesturian | dondelelcaro, when php5 is loaded, it screams up to 160MB, the same running on the other server ~75MB so there's a pretty huge difference |
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| 16:48.58 | hhhh | i need to put it in special directory to allow other users to use it |
| 16:49.04 | hhhh | other than /usr/bin |
| 16:49.14 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: that may be true, but neither of those indicate a memory leak |
| 16:49.22 | jhutchins_lt | hhhh: If you don't have root access you don't install software, you ask the person who has root access to do it. |
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| 16:49.32 | hhhh | i have root access. |
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| 16:49.40 | qq- | hhhh, thats your kitchen .. |
| 16:49.43 | kjs__ | g0t r00t |
| 16:49.50 | Zesturian | dondelelcaro, what would possibly using all the excess memory? |
| 16:49.53 | MindVirus | Hello. Any way to see a list of packages that are top-level (not dependencies)? |
| 16:49.54 | hhhh | but i need to put the installed file in a directory to allow other users to use it |
| 16:50.06 | hhhh | like java,i can put the java file anywhere |
| 16:50.19 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: that's actually about right, anyway |
| 16:50.20 | hhhh | can i do that as well? |
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| 16:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | /usr/local/ |
| 16:51.33 | hhhh | i don't know how to explain it to you guys |
| 16:51.43 | hhhh | whatever i install in the root can't be accessed by users root |
| 16:52.01 | hhhh | each user account has different /usr/bin & /usr/local |
| 16:52.01 | Zesturian | dondelelcaro, so the answer is to reduce the start servers etc, increase max clients? |
| 16:52.04 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: just because a program has allocated memory that large doesn't mean it's actually using all of it |
| 16:52.05 | hhhh | so i'm screwed |
| 16:52.11 | qq- | hhhh, 1. '18:48<hhhh> i have root access.' 2. '18:46<hhhh> i don't have root access' , so decide ... |
| 16:52.21 | Zesturian | *MaxRequestsPerChil |
| 16:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: no; odds are you don't actually have a problem |
| 16:52.25 | cahoot | hhhh: seems you want to get the concept of PATH |
| 16:52.43 | hhhh | i have root access but can i install in a dir that can be accssed by others |
| 16:52.59 | hhhh | my root /usr/bin != myusers /usr/bin |
| 16:53.09 | hhhh | i know it's weird cuz i'm using stupid middleware |
| 16:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Zesturian: see http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html for example |
| 16:53.38 | hhhh | can i install mpich at specific dir? |
| 16:53.47 | hhhh | then i will export path at the user level? |
| 16:54.19 | qq- | thats the way .. |
| 16:54.42 | hhhh | any good tutorial on installation that? |
| 16:54.55 | hhhh | is it like java installation that i can shift the folder anywhere i like? |
| 16:55.02 | hhhh | if so i will use aptitude get |
| 16:55.06 | hhhh | right? |
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| 16:57.48 | qq- | hhhh, what you trying to do ? use pelicanhpc it's easier http://pareto.uab.es/mcreel/PelicanHPC/ |
| 16:57.48 | hhhh | qq- you here? |
| 16:58.03 | hhhh | just install mpich |
| 16:58.17 | hhhh | and then move the installed mpich to the folder that other users can access it |
| 16:58.19 | hhhh | can i? |
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| 16:58.54 | qq- | install it, on all machines |
| 16:59.59 | Zesturian | dondelelcaro, thanks, pmap is a useful command. |
| 17:00.02 | hhhh | hey qq- |
| 17:00.07 | hhhh | i install mpich-bin |
| 17:00.12 | hhhh | i didn't see mpicc |
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| 17:00.50 | qq- | hhhh, /msg dpkg as |
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| 17:01.59 | hhhh | hey qq- |
| 17:02.06 | hhhh | aptitude install wont work |
| 17:02.14 | jordanm | !bat |
| 17:02.15 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:02.15 | hhhh | cuz it puts the installation file inside /usr/bin |
| 17:02.33 | jordanm | hhhh: why is that wrong? |
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| 17:02.39 | hhhh | can i download the package ? |
| 17:02.53 | hhhh | my root /usr/bin != my users /usr/bin |
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| 17:02.58 | hhhh | so i'm scrwed |
| 17:03.12 | jordanm | hhhh: every use should have /usr/bin in their PATH |
| 17:03.27 | hhhh | i have chroot jail |
| 17:03.28 | jordanm | hhhh: oh, you have your users in a chroot? |
| 17:03.33 | hhhh | so user root != root root |
| 17:03.37 | jordanm | symlink to their /usr/bin |
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| 17:03.44 | jordanm | err hard link |
| 17:04.12 | hhhh | any other way to do that? |
| 17:04.20 | hhhh | like java,i can shift the installed folder around |
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| 17:05.09 | jordanm | shift the installed folder around? |
| 17:05.32 | jordanm | dpkg does not provide a way to change the locations of the installed files. it would be the same for java |
| 17:05.32 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jordanm |
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| 17:06.19 | hhhh | for java,i use sh .bin |
| 17:06.24 | hhhh | after that i shift it around |
| 17:06.27 | jhutchins_lt | hhhh: If software is installed correctly and is intended for end-users, it should be accessible to all users without having to mess with it. |
| 17:06.42 | hhhh | i can show you. |
| 17:06.45 | hhhh | mine is really messed up |
| 17:06.52 | hhhh | users can't see the /usr/bin that root has |
| 17:06.53 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: his users are jailed, and thus, shouldn't have any applications that he does specificially give to them |
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| 17:07.15 | jordanm | which is where I can not understand why he would want system packages to install into the chroot |
| 17:07.19 | hhhh | yes jordanm |
| 17:07.22 | viz | I've successfully set up postfix/dovecot/squirrelmail and i can send/recieve through squirrelmail, but upon setting it up gmail/thunderbird, it doesn't let me use mail.domain.com as SMTP outgoing server (incoming is fine)... where should i look at? |
| 17:07.33 | hhhh | any suggestion jordanm? |
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| 17:07.39 | hhhh | can i download and install it ? |
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| 17:07.42 | greyfiend | has anyone got flash/gnash running on arch ppc? |
| 17:07.46 | hhhh | can i download the source |
| 17:07.48 | hhhh | ? |
| 17:07.52 | jordanm | yes |
| 17:08.17 | Bushmills | viz, at mail server log, to determine reason why it doesn't let you. probably relaying denied. |
| 17:08.19 | hhhh | so that will be installed not inside /usr/bin? |
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| 17:08.33 | jordanm | hhhh: hard link the files that you want them to have |
| 17:08.44 | jordanm | probably the same way you setup the chroot |
| 17:08.45 | hhhh | ya |
| 17:08.56 | hhhh | how to setup chroot? |
| 17:09.01 | hhhh | i want users to use root stuff |
| 17:09.02 | hhhh | any clue? |
| 17:09.18 | neilk | maybe you want sudo |
| 17:09.19 | jordanm | !tell hhhh about ender |
| 17:09.22 | jordanm | !tell hhhh about enter |
| 17:09.29 | fxiny | hhhh: never heard of vservers ? |
| 17:09.40 | jordanm | hhhh: why are you chroot jailing your users that you want to have admin privs? |
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| 17:10.00 | hhhh | i didn't do that |
| 17:10.03 | jordanm | hhhh: why are you asking how to setup a chroot, when you claim to already have it setup? |
| 17:10.04 | hhhh | it's setup in that way |
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| 17:10.16 | hhhh | sb sets it up |
| 17:10.20 | fxiny | is wrong |
| 17:10.23 | jordanm | sb? |
| 17:10.36 | hhhh | it's a virtual image already built |
| 17:10.39 | hhhh | i just download and use it |
| 17:10.52 | jordanm | and probably not even debian |
| 17:11.11 | hhhh | it's debian GNU/liux 5.0 |
| 17:11.11 | hhhh | yes |
| 17:11.14 | hhhh | it's debian |
| 17:12.05 | viz | bushmills, at the moment its telling me dovecot: pop3-login: Login: user=<viz@domain.com>, method=PLAIN.... Disconnected one second later. |
| 17:12.15 | viz | whereas through squirrelmail it works fine |
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| 17:13.29 | hhhh | hey dude |
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| 17:13.37 | viz | bushmills, i'm guessing it might be a problem with the port, but i'm not sure how to change that |
| 17:13.41 | hhhh | will it work if i download the source and install it somewhere? |
| 17:13.44 | hhhh | jordanm? |
| 17:14.13 | fxiny | somewhere ? |
| 17:14.48 | hhhh | a folder that other users can access |
| 17:14.55 | hhhh | i have a /apps which is open to all useras |
| 17:14.58 | hhhh | i want to install it there |
| 17:15.02 | hhhh | possible fxiny? |
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| 17:17.32 | fxiny | hhhh: hey , this is a fine irssi jailed/chrooted i'm using since i first jailed buggy bitchx . i liked it so much i keep on jailing irssi for fun . i run it via a wrap this means if i have 100 users i can copy it 100 times and any one can use it . but that would be madness . is this you want ? |
| 17:18.26 | MadBlack | I saw that chromium-browser is in sid. Do you think it will enter in squeeze before freeze? |
| 17:18.31 | hhhh | hey fxiny |
| 17:18.44 | hhhh | error: expected a type specifier MPI_Init (&argc, &argv); /* starts MPI */ << any clue? |
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| 17:19.05 | fxiny | hhhh: and i like playing with vservers which is a better game , but still pretty useless in the end |
| 17:19.23 | damnthingisnotwo | question |
| 17:19.35 | damnthingisnotwo | can i download & install mpich in a specific folder? |
| 17:19.48 | wireddd | I hope chromium makes it |
| 17:19.56 | wireddd | it is all I use for a browser now |
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| 17:20.47 | MadBlack | i like chrome but gives me some problems |
| 17:20.57 | Kyle__ | Hello. |
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| 17:21.38 | Kyle__ | I'm having a problem with apt, I've got a stuck xemacs21 install. Here's the pastie log of it http://pastie.org/1034589 |
| 17:22.38 | fxiny | hhhh: look into vservers |
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| 17:24.29 | wireddd | Kyle__: this is #debian, not ubuntu |
| 17:25.21 | Kyle__ | wireddd: Yes, but the buntus are based on debian, and deb users usually tend to know more of the internals. |
| 17:25.30 | MadBlack | however that doesn't seem an apt problem |
| 17:25.40 | Kyle__ | It doesn't? |
| 17:25.46 | fxiny | some deb users are nasty :P |
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| 17:26.48 | Kyle__ | Nasty and knowledgable can be far more helpful though. |
| 17:28.08 | fxiny | but never tribesmans whith cephalics orange hair :P |
| 17:28.38 | tharkun | How do i check that dependencies are fully met by on certain package? |
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| 17:30.55 | jordanm | tharkun: its status will be broken if it is not the case |
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| 17:41.35 | tharkun | jordanm: tumgreyspf is still broken, i checked postfix configuration and the maintainer (i might spell it incorrectly) is a great guy. He has told me about the latest version compatible with lenny. Also i have hunch that it is some librarie difference in the python modules. I repeat it is a hunch, i am actually prety new to python |
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| 17:45.41 | jordanm | ,versions tumgreyspf |
| 17:45.42 | judd | tumgreyspf -- lenny: 1.32-1; sid: 1.34-1; squeeze: 1.34-1 |
| 17:45.59 | jordanm | tharkun: what did he recommend exactly? backporting the squeeze version yourself? |
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| 17:46.35 | tharkun | jordanm: downloading from a backport repository. Wich i allready did. |
| 17:46.52 | jordanm | and there is a small posibility of differences, because .py files get byte-compiled in to .pyc files, which the system has not way of removing |
| 17:47.05 | jordanm | tharkun: it doesn't appear to be in backports, was it his own repo? |
| 17:47.14 | jordanm | maintainer tumgreyspf |
| 17:47.17 | jordanm | ,maintainer tumgreyspf |
| 17:47.19 | judd | Package tumgreyspf version 1.34-1 was uploaded by Roberto C. Sanchez, last changed by Thomas Goirand and maintained by Thomas Goirand. |
| 17:47.40 | tharkun | jordanm: yes |
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| 17:48.03 | jordanm | tharkun: well, good to hear he had an idea of what you were talking about, as well as suggestions |
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| 17:50.29 | tharkun | jordanm: actually /usr/bin/tumgreyspf first line is #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 17:51.05 | jordanm | tharkun: the .py compiling into .pyc only applies to python modules, not the executables you would run |
| 17:51.22 | tharkun | jordanm: ohh i see |
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| 17:53.22 | jordanm | tharkun: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397111 |
| 17:53.51 | karlpinc | I'm lead to believe that the ccds in digital cameras each have a unique "signature" due to variations in pixel sensitivity, etc. Is there a program in Debian that's designed to scrub such a signature? |
| 17:55.22 | jordanm | karlpinc: I would try asking #gimp if it has the functionality... being that it is the big image editor |
| 17:56.55 | cahoot | karlpinc: the dcraw developer maybe knows |
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| 17:58.41 | TheLorax | what man page should I read to learn how to query what package a file belongs to, or list all the files a package owns? |
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| 17:58.57 | jordanm | tharkun: man apt-file and man dpkg |
| 17:59.04 | TheLorax | ty |
| 17:59.05 | jordanm | ^ TheLorax |
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| 17:59.26 | tharkun | karlpinc: If you mean by that that each ccd or cmos sensor has a distinctive and traceable color pattern response then you are right, no two sensors are identical, retrieving that information seems useless and very hard to correlate |
| 17:59.29 | dondelelcaro | TheLorax: specifically, man dpkg-query |
| 17:59.36 | jordanm | TheLorax: dpkg if its installed, apt-file if it is not |
| 17:59.53 | jordanm | although, apt-file will work in both cases |
| 18:01.08 | jhutchins | karlpinc: I imagine any significant transformation by imagemagic would make it much harder. |
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| 18:01.48 | jordanm | if imagemagik could do it, that would be much more ideal than gimp, since it can run batches |
| 18:01.59 | tharkun | jordanm: ok i get the overall idea on how this python stuff works :-) |
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| 18:02.59 | emma | apt? |
| 18:03.04 | emma | ?aptitude |
| 18:03.56 | TheLorax | err, dpkg-query -L libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev | grep app prints nothing. The appsink plugin is supposed to be in that package. |
| 18:04.11 | emma | what is the syntax for getting the bot to tell me why aptitude is better than apt-get? |
| 18:04.39 | TheLorax | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/tree/gst/app |
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| 18:05.07 | jordanm | TheLorax: sure that applies to the version in lenny? |
| 18:05.17 | MindVirus | Hello. Any way to see a list of packages that are top-level (not dependencies)? |
| 18:05.18 | TheLorax | will double check |
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| 18:05.35 | jordanm | TheLorax: libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev: /usr/include/gstreamer-0.10/gst/app/gstappsink.h |
| 18:05.56 | TheLorax | then why wouldn't grep see it? |
| 18:06.17 | hhhh | mpirun -machinefile ${PBS_NODEFILE} -np NPROCESSORS |
| 18:06.22 | hhhh | how do i set NPROCESSORS ? |
| 18:06.28 | hhhh | how do i set ${PBS_NODEFILE} ? |
| 18:06.33 | hhhh | any clues guys? |
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| 18:07.29 | jordanm | TheLorax: ah, it isn't in the lenny version |
| 18:07.44 | jordanm | TheLorax: it is in the lenny-backports version, which was picked up by apt-file |
| 18:07.48 | jordanm | !tell TheLorax about bpo |
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| 18:08.22 | jordanm | !tell hhhh about enter |
| 18:08.23 | hhhh | me? |
| 18:08.30 | jordanm | hhhh: your questions seems to lack context |
| 18:08.33 | hhhh | ok =) |
| 18:08.44 | TheLorax | jordanm: thanks :) |
| 18:08.51 | hhhh | slide 19: https://hubzero.org/resources/181/download/Hub_set-up_configuring_submit_command.pdf |
| 18:09.35 | hhhh | mpirun âmachinefile ${PBS_NODEFILE} ânp NPROCESSORS, i google PBS_NODEFILE.it says the file it contains the number of node |
| 18:09.40 | hhhh | i don't know how to create that file |
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| 18:11.04 | TheLorax | !tell TheLorax about bpo |
| 18:11.14 | jordanm | !tell TheLorax about selftell |
| 18:11.55 | TheLorax | jordanm: are you sure you're not a sudo bot? |
| 18:12.07 | TheLorax | err |
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| 18:12.10 | TheLorax | psudo |
| 18:12.12 | TheLorax | or whatever |
| 18:12.13 | TheLorax | nvm, |
| 18:13.18 | jordanm | is pretty sure he is not a bot |
| 18:13.30 | paper_cc | can someone help me with Vinagre 2.30.1 failing to create a VNC-via-SSH session? |
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| 18:13.50 | jordanm | ,versions vinagre |
| 18:13.51 | judd | vinagre -- lenny: 0.5.1-2; sid: 2.30.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.1-1 |
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| 18:14.03 | paper_cc | jordanm: latest from unstable |
| 18:14.23 | paper_cc | what's interesting is that vncviewer does work |
| 18:15.05 | jordanm | paper_cc: is this #580323? |
| 18:15.28 | jordanm | or perhaps #557718 |
| 18:16.07 | hhhh | jordanm ?? |
| 18:16.16 | jordanm | hhhh: I have no idea |
| 18:16.21 | paper_cc | counts the characters in his password |
| 18:16.27 | jordanm | hehe |
| 18:16.29 | hhhh | ${PBS_NODEFILE} << do you know what is this? |
| 18:16.34 | paper_cc | jordanm: it is definitely not #580323 |
| 18:16.46 | jordanm | hhhh: no idea, perhaps its in the README? |
| 18:16.57 | hhhh | PBS_NODEFILE - the name of the file containing the list of nodes assigned to the job |
| 18:17.06 | paper_cc | jordanm: and not #557718 |
| 18:17.37 | paper_cc | jordanm: it does accept my password and the usernames are the same, but it fails with an I/O error message |
| 18:17.41 | paper_cc | looks up the message |
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| 18:18.51 | paper_cc | jordanm: "Error creating the SSH tunnel: Error reading from unix: Input/output error" |
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| 18:20.29 | paper_cc | jordanm: (Googling that message doesn't give any results) |
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| 18:21.37 | qq- | hhhh, all your truck is not related to debian , use your docs, and do your homework alone , or ask your teachers |
| 18:21.54 | hhhh | sry qq- |
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| 18:25.08 | paper_cc | apt-gets source vinagre =( |
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| 18:31.10 | sthon | are there live cd's available for etch? |
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| 18:33.00 | dondelelcaro | sthon: there were, but you certainly don't want them |
| 18:34.10 | sthon | dondelelcaro: actually I do... |
| 18:34.15 | sthon | I need one for some testing |
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| 18:39.41 | santerref | hello/bonjour |
| 18:40.55 | santerref | i need help with the configuration of my DNS on my webserver... i try to setup e little server at home and I want to know if it's possible to setup a server DNS with a dynmique IP ? Like using no-ip domain and after having a real domain like mydomaine.com with subdomain, etc. |
| 18:41.53 | santerref | the server I use is maradns... i can change to bind9 if it's only possible with it ! |
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| 18:50.21 | hochron | is there a visual c compiler in debian? |
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| 18:50.58 | peterrooney | hochron: i sure hope not |
| 18:51.24 | Compiling | no |
| 18:51.35 | peterrooney | whew |
| 18:51.40 | hochron | peterrooney: why not? |
| 18:51.48 | Compiling | because its a microsoft product |
| 18:51.54 | Compiling | why would it be in debian |
| 18:51.59 | zord0 | ^ |
| 18:52.02 | zord0 | ^^* |
| 18:52.08 | Compiling | do you want to comile a vc++ project? |
| 18:52.33 | Compiling | you can install windows in a vm or try running an express edition through wine |
| 18:52.46 | Compiling | if its visual C# you can probably compile it with mono/monodevelop |
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| 18:53.26 | thrashold | Any lightweight tool to control xrandr? Mainly turn on additional displays in clone mode (for presentations with a projector), like krandrtray, but not requiring all of KDE? |
| 18:53.35 | hochron | yes thats it |
| 18:53.57 | hochron | Compiling: what the v stand for? |
| 18:54.05 | hochron | oh visual |
| 18:54.09 | Compiling | lold |
| 18:54.13 | Compiling | you got it |
| 18:54.41 | Compiling | are there any popular packages on DVD 2 or higher? |
| 18:55.17 | Compiling | I've just grabbed beta DVD 1 and im hoping it has apache, vsftpd, perl, python, ruby, php, mysql, etc on it |
| 18:55.43 | hochron | so what are the names of vc++ compilers? |
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| 18:56.57 | Compiling | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio |
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| 18:57.36 | pfred1 | is there a Debian help channel? |
| 18:57.44 | klync | was following the lenny upgrade guide and i'm a bit leery about the first irreversable step - upgrading apt and aptitude. following the guide and doing `apt-get install apt` wants to remove a whole bunch of pkgs i'm rather fond of. doing `aptitude install apt aptitude` seems like a safer bet. what say ye? |
| 18:58.25 | pfred1 | klync you run Lenny? |
| 18:58.49 | klync | pfred1: running etch. trying to upgrade atm |
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| 18:59.03 | pfred1 | klync oh OK Lenny is real nice |
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| 19:00.11 | Sashi | blargh |
| 19:00.23 | pfred1 | does anyone in here know anything about this file: "/etc/fonts/fonts.conf" |
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| 19:00.45 | Sashi | fresh install debian 5, installed bind > http://pastebin.ca/1896184 |
| 19:01.03 | Sashi | fails to start, above is the syslog |
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| 19:02.27 | klync | Sashi: is that the debian pkg or did you compile it? |
| 19:02.33 | Sashi | debian pkg |
| 19:02.37 | pfred1 | klync I just did a clean install of Lenny a couple of days ago I like it |
| 19:02.41 | Sashi | aka apt-get install bind9 |
| 19:03.04 | klync | pfred1: i'm sure i will too. i'm just looking to avoid hosing my system in the upgrade process |
| 19:03.22 | pfred1 | klync that is why I always put /home on its own partition :) |
| 19:03.55 | pfred1 | klync and removable backup anything I think I might care about anyways |
| 19:04.35 | klync | pfred1: i asked a specific question above. i'm not worried about my partitioning scheme |
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| 19:05.01 | pfred1 | klync oh I didn't think yo uwere I was just saying what I do is all |
| 19:05.24 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: Kinda looks like there might already be an instance of bind running. |
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| 19:05.46 | klync | pfred1: cool. |
| 19:06.14 | Sashi | doesnt look like it jhutch |
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| 19:06.34 | pfred1 | does anyone here have any idea why this "/etc/fonts/fonts.conf" file refernences a directory that doesn't exist on my system namely "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts" |
| 19:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: debian 64? |
| 19:06.56 | Sashi | no 32 |
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| 19:07.31 | klync | pfred1: i wouldn't worry about that - iirc, that's just a list of places where fonts might be - for defoma or your x server to scan |
| 19:07.52 | pfred1 | klync oh OK so it is safe to ignore? |
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| 19:08.03 | pfred1 | klync just seems sort of silly to me is all |
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| 19:09.00 | pfred1 | klync I'm at the point now with my system where I'd like to fill it out with a little it didn't come with and I'm trying to install a few more fonts |
| 19:09.08 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: No mods to the conf file? |
| 19:09.14 | Sashi | nope, fresh install |
| 19:09.28 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: Mine just works, but I do have zones defined. |
| 19:09.40 | Sashi | never had this problem with my years of using debian |
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| 19:10.21 | klync | pfred1: yeah - safe to ignore. i think it's from the olden days where xfree86 would put files all over the place and had its own bizarre layout. defoma makes everything much easier, tho i haven't fiddled with fonts on my system in a long time |
| 19:11.01 | pfred1 | klync well its still not as easy as it could be there are still fonts all over the system half which don't seem ot be used except by whatever app put them there |
| 19:11.06 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: I dunno, maybe purge it and reinstall. |
| 19:11.16 | Sashi | i did.. a couple of times |
| 19:11.20 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: Which kernel? |
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| 19:11.33 | pfred1 | klync I do have to figure out how defoma works it is new to me |
| 19:11.36 | Sashi | 2.6.18 |
| 19:12.40 | b0nghitter | anyone here use ISPConfig? |
| 19:12.49 | pfred1 | klync good luck with your upgrade you should like Lenny a lot thanks for all the help |
| 19:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 19:13.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: That may be something to check, although mine was an upgraaded etch (18). |
| 19:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: How did you get a 18 kernel on a clean lenny install? |
| 19:14.56 | Sashi | who knows |
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| 19:17.30 | Sashi | anyways i installed etch and bind works lol |
| 19:18.55 | jhutchins_lt | Sashi: Well, if you're on etch everything matches. If you were running 18 on lenny it's not surprizing you were getting c errors. |
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| 19:21.41 | qq- | Sashi, cat /etc/debian_version, says ? |
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| 19:25.52 | Tired | klync, what is it trying to remove? |
| 19:26.27 | Tired | klync, you might try aptitude why-not <package> on one of the ones it wants to remove |
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| 19:28.32 | Tired | jhutchins_lt, good guess - but what is it that bind9 would need from a newer kernel? |
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| 19:29.56 | klync | Tired: thanks for the tip - didn't know about "why-not", but i already went ahead and am now running dist-upgrade. the aptitude upgrade seemed to work just fine, so now i'm just worried about having a working sasl2 when all is done :/ |
| 19:31.11 | Tired | don't worry! |
| 19:31.18 | klync | :D |
| 19:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | Tired: Dunno, and no proof that the kernel was the issue, but it's never thrown an error for me, and I upgraded from etch to etch-n-half to lenny. |
| 19:31.28 | Tired | if it doesn't break, you worried in vain, if it does break, worrying didn't help either! |
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| 19:32.07 | Tired | jhutchins_lt, perhaps ipv6 stuff... some big changes might have fallen in the time between etch&lenny |
| 19:32.12 | Masky | How do I set up my bluetooth headphones in Debian? |
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| 19:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | Tired: I know there were changes in the c libraries and stuff, so if it was a mixed system that might cause some errors. |
| 19:34.03 | TheLorax | is eigen (http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Main_Page) part of debian? I can't find it. There is libeigen-dev but it doesn't have the headers I'm looking for |
| 19:34.21 | TheLorax | (could be an older version) |
| 19:34.41 | Tired | libeigen2-dev? |
| 19:34.52 | Tired | "apt-cache search eigen --names-only" |
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| 19:35.58 | TheLorax | Tired, doesn't exist |
| 19:36.04 | TheLorax | and that search turns up what I already tried |
| 19:36.10 | jordanm | Tired: we need an aptitude smite |
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| 19:36.34 | Tired | judd, versions libeigen2 |
| 19:36.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libeigen2' was found. |
| 19:36.40 | Tired | judd, versions libeigen2-dev |
| 19:36.42 | judd | libeigen2-dev -- squeeze: 2.0.5-2; sid: 2.0.14-1 |
| 19:36.51 | Tired | TheLorax, it does in testing |
| 19:37.00 | jordanm | !tell TheLorax about ssb |
| 19:37.14 | Tired | jordanm, I always felt aptitude does that well enough on its own |
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| 19:38.28 | jordanm | Tired: I thought you were someone else |
| 19:38.56 | Tired | I, too, thought I was someone else |
| 19:39.07 | Tired | but then I woke up :( |
| 19:39.22 | Tired | in the middle of shouting "we can!!!" |
| 19:39.26 | jordanm | oh, maybe I was right |
| 19:39.31 | jordanm | looks at real name |
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| 19:39.55 | klync | Tired: to answer your original question fwiw, running `apt install apt` would have removed such gems as aptitude, at, cyrus-imapd, exim4, mysql-server .... 199 pkgs to be removed total .... but, i actually ran `aptitude install apt aptitude` successfully |
| 19:41.03 | Tired | upgrading apt removes aptitude? |
| 19:41.07 | Tired | is that some kind of zen? |
| 19:41.38 | Tired | klync, well... guess it's not always good to accept the first and "best" solution aptitude comes up with |
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| 19:43.59 | Tired | TheLorax, the search didn't succeed for you because you didn't have testing in your repos... (which is as it should be)... didn't check if the things were in stable |
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| 19:44.51 | TheLorax | I just installed it manually. with a good ol `cp -r` |
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| 19:51.52 | bolt | where are iceweasel plugins and such stored? i tried copying my ~/.mozilla directory to another machine, but i didn't get any of my settings when i open the browser there |
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| 19:53.07 | tharkun | bolt: check uid and gid they might have changed |
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| 19:55.00 | bolt | tharkun: oh crap. thanks :) |
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| 19:57.55 | SparFux | Why does resolvconf conflict with dhcp-client?? |
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| 19:59.09 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:59.11 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.10-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1 |
| 19:59.12 | jordanm | SparFux: because they would both fight over /etc/resolv.conf if they both were installed? |
| 19:59.27 | SparFux | hm.... |
| 19:59.46 | SparFux | so I cannot really use dhcp protocol when using resolvconf? but that's what I did before. |
| 19:59.48 | jordanm | SparFux: edit dhclient.conf if you need static DNS while using dhcp |
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| 20:00.31 | jordanm | ,versions dhcp-client |
| 20:00.33 | judd | dhcp-client -- etch: 2.0pl5-19.5etch2; etch-security: 2.0pl5-19.5etch2; etch-backports: 3.1.1-5~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny3; lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny4; sid: 3.1.3-2; squeeze: 3.1.3-2 |
| 20:00.59 | jordanm | SparFux: it conflicts with etch's dhcp-client, not lennys |
| 20:01.08 | jordanm | ,conflicts resolvconf |
| 20:01.09 | judd | resolvconf -- conflicts: bind (<< 1:8.3.4-1), bind9 (<< 1:9.2.1-7), dhcp-client (= 3.0.1betaRC4-1), dhcp-client (<< 2.0pl5-18), dhcp3-client (<< 3.0+3.0.1rc11-5), dhcpcd (<< 1:1.3.22pl4-7), divine, dnsmasq (<< 1.13-2), ifupdown (<< 0.6.4-4.1), laptop-net (<< 2.21-1), pcmcia-cs (<< 3.2.5-1), pdnsd (<< 1.1.10par-4), pppconfig (<< 2.3.1), pppoeconf (<< 1.0), pump (<< 0.8.15-1), runit (<< 1.8.0-3), totd |
| 20:01.11 | judd | (<< 1.4-4), udhcpc (<< 0.9.8cvs20050124-3), webmin (<< 1.150-2), webmin-wvdial (<< 1.160-3), whereami (<< 0.3.3), xisp. |
| 20:01.43 | SparFux | Jordan: I am on sid. |
| 20:02.18 | tharkun | jordanm: isn't it server responsability to asign static addresses on the scope it is configured? |
| 20:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Generally that's how dhcp works, but the cleint can request a certain IP, and usually will request the last good IP it had. |
| 20:03.46 | jordanm | tharkun: yes, but sometimes you don't want what the server gives you. eg. you want to use google DNS instead of your ISPs |
| 20:04.28 | SparFux | I can't even install a dhcp-client package. |
| 20:04.49 | tharkun | SparFux: dhclient3 or something similar |
| 20:05.08 | SparFux | dhcp3-client does conflict resolconf right now. |
| 20:05.15 | SparFux | *resolvconf |
| 20:05.16 | tharkun | jordanm: And my isp will gladly comply, hard to believe :-) |
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| 20:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: You're on sid and you don't understand broken dependencies? |
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| 20:09.05 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 20:09.06 | dpkg | ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
| 20:09.13 | tharkun | :-) |
| 20:09.16 | SparFux | jhutchins_lt: oh, I do. |
| 20:09.44 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: Fall back to the snapshot you made before you upgraded. |
| 20:09.46 | craigevil | SparFux: just remove resolvconf, the you can do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 20:11.11 | SparFux | craigevil: ok, but then resolvconf is gone :-) |
| 20:11.39 | PinkFreud | SparFux: that's the wonder of broken dependencies |
| 20:12.26 | craigevil | SparFux: if you use opendns or google dns make sure you edit /etc/dhcp/dhcpclient.conf and add them at the prepend domain-name-servers line |
| 20:12.33 | SparFux | PinkFreud: the thing I wonder is wether that was a fault or on purpose with something in mind, that I can't think of. |
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| 20:12.37 | craigevil | resolvconf isnt really needed |
| 20:12.47 | greycat | SparFux: /msg dpkg override dns |
| 20:13.08 | greycat | SparFux: or for a whole bunch of other factoids on this topic, /msg dpkg resolv.conf and follow the <...>s |
| 20:13.12 | PinkFreud | SparFux: unknown. you might do well to report a bug, at the very least. |
| 20:13.17 | craigevil | im ore curious to knwo if dhcp3client is need since isc-dchp-client installed |
| 20:13.32 | craigevil | s/ore/more |
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| 20:13.48 | craigevil | crap cant type |
| 20:14.12 | SparFux | Aha, so instead of doing dns-nameserver lines in /etc/network/interfaces I use dhclient.conf mods? |
| 20:14.14 | PinkFreud | craigevil: alas, crap lacks arms, hands, and fingers. damned evolution. |
| 20:14.18 | PinkFreud | ucks |
| 20:14.27 | PinkFreud | ducks, too. Looks like I can't type, either! |
| 20:14.33 | wagle | i try the debian lenny workaround for adobe flash, and iceweasel doesn't see it.. what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:15.05 | SparFux | craigevil: no, dhcp3-client is just a transitional package, new name seems to be isc-dhcp-client. |
| 20:15.30 | SparFux | dhcp3-client - ISC DHCP server (transitional package) |
| 20:15.48 | SparFux | craigevil: you only seem to need isc-dhcp-client. |
| 20:15.51 | craigevil | ah nice guess i should have looked at the packages |
| 20:16.31 | SparFux | sometimes I read a bout a total reimplementation of all network management, but I forgot the projects name. |
| 20:17.18 | greycat | change for the sake of change... such fun. :-/ |
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| 20:18.50 | SparFux | ok, the dhclient thing is going to be hard shell stuff in interfaces file. Anyway, resolvconf really seems to be superflouous. |
| 20:19.45 | SparFux | I will even have to delete the line again, if other nameserver wanted. |
| 20:20.15 | greycat | I don't understand what you mean by "hard shell stuff in interfaces file". |
| 20:20.37 | SparFux | greycat: I have to use echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 20:20.52 | greycat | No you don't. You could just edit the dhclient.conf file directly. |
| 20:20.55 | SparFux | then again, I will have to erase the line from within there, if other ns needed. |
| 20:21.05 | greycat | Why are you editing file A with code to modify file B? Why not just edit file B? |
| 20:21.08 | SparFux | greycat: I am using different interfaces configs. |
| 20:22.10 | SparFux | greycat: because for the one interface I might want some nameservers and for a different interface setup, I might want some other ns. |
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| 20:22.37 | SparFux | greycat: I am using guessnet-ifupdown to guess the network, and depending on networks I choose nameservers. :-) |
| 20:22.47 | jhutchins_lt | Wow. iceweasel 3.5.8, gmail, 60+% CPU. iceweasel 3.5.10, gmail, not even showing up on top. |
| 20:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | recommends the backport! |
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| 20:25.15 | jordanm | tharkun: your ISP doesn't have to comply |
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| 20:25.36 | jordanm | tharkun: the configuration would just... not ask the DHCP server for nameservers, and instead use whatever you provided |
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| 20:26.55 | Amame | hi, trying to find libvga.so.1 but when I try apt-get install libsvga1, I get that this lib is obsolete? |
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| 20:27.20 | Amame | does anyone have a source location I can add to my source.list to get this? |
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| 20:27.33 | caraconan | Hi. When I try to start xend I get this error: http://pastebin.com/Bz8SKW4r. Lenny amd64 supports Xen 3.4 ? |
| 20:28.25 | jordanm | Amame: you want: svgalib1-libggi2 |
| 20:28.30 | Amame | Ah |
| 20:28.49 | jordanm | !tell Amame about apt-file |
| 20:28.55 | jordanm | I found out with apt-file |
| 20:29.29 | jp- | i've updated an etch system to lenny. the etch system had a nfs mount in fstab, after the upgrade it no longer mounts on boot with no errors, doesn't appear to even attempt to mount it. executing mount -a mounts it fine. i've seen the release notes about the etch -> lenny update in regards to nfs which i don't think is related to this problem. |
| 20:29.32 | lindi- | caraconan: lenny does not have 2.6.32 |
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| 20:29.56 | Amame | sweet.. |
| 20:29.59 | Amame | thx jordanm |
| 20:30.03 | Amame | I was using apt-cache search |
| 20:30.34 | caraconan | Sorry, squeeze |
| 20:30.35 | jordanm | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 20:30.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64' was found. |
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| 20:31.04 | jordanm | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 20:31.07 | judd | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 -- sid: 2.6.32-15; squeeze: 2.6.32-15 |
| 20:31.16 | jordanm | caraconan: where did the kernel come from? |
| 20:31.24 | caraconan | It exists in squeeze |
| 20:31.33 | caraconan | From official repos |
| 20:31.38 | jordanm | not according to judd... |
| 20:31.44 | woodworks | i'm having a failure for nfs-common at boot and trying to manual start it complains about not finding start-stop-daemon (which is located in /sbin) |
| 20:32.19 | caraconan | I just did an apt-get install xen-hypervisor-3.4-amd64 xen-linux-system-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 xen-utils-3.4 xenstore-utils xenwatch xen-tools |
| 20:32.23 | lindi- | jordanm: it does accoring to packages.debian.org |
| 20:32.27 | woodworks | doing netstat shows not nfs running, where should i start looking i'm comparing to a running lenny and all seems in the right place |
| 20:32.27 | caraconan | I'm using squeeze |
| 20:32.28 | lindi- | judd: are you out of sync? |
| 20:32.29 | PinkFreud | ,versions linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 20:32.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64' was found. |
| 20:32.39 | PinkFreud | huh. |
| 20:32.40 | PinkFreud | linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 - Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs, Xen dom0 support |
| 20:32.49 | caraconan | I've got it installed |
| 20:32.52 | lindi- | 'http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all' |
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| 20:33.44 | jordanm | the changelog is from 7 days ago, I bet it just merged down and hasn't hit the UDD yet |
| 20:34.10 | jordanm | nvm... that is a month and 7 days |
| 20:34.14 | caraconan | Then, there's a way to get xen under debian? |
| 20:34.15 | SparFux | I think network setup is kind of a mess and it's far from flexible. guessnet is great, but it cannot do everything so easily. |
| 20:34.20 | caraconan | I would install lenny |
| 20:34.34 | lindi- | caraconan: xen is bit problematic indeed |
| 20:35.17 | caraconan | mmm I tries openvz, but it didn't worked fine for me. Another alternative to VMWare ? |
| 20:35.18 | jordanm | good thing the nice guys at RHEL are doing all that work on KVM |
| 20:35.28 | jordanm | caraconan: KVM |
| 20:35.44 | caraconan | kvm, ok, thanks, I will try it |
| 20:35.50 | jordanm | openvz is not the same kind of virtualization as xen, vmware, and kvm |
| 20:36.02 | lindi- | jordanm: do you know if there's a way to use kvm with 100% paravirtualization? |
| 20:36.10 | lindi- | jordanm: i know you can paravirtualize network and disk |
| 20:36.10 | greycat | coincidentally I've been reading up on virtualization today, and KVM definitely looks like the way to go for my goals |
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| 20:36.58 | jordanm | lindi-: I am not sure. I know that it can not in lenny, but the development is rapid atm |
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| 20:37.30 | caraconan | But I would like: [Hardware] + [Hypervisor ] + [VirtualMachine1...] |
| 20:37.36 | PinkFreud | I'm fairly certain that kvm cannot currently do paravirt cpu, nor is it likely planned. |
| 20:37.44 | caraconan | And I think KVM is like Virtualbox, right? |
| 20:38.07 | caraconan | In the sense that: [Hardware] + [OS] + [Hypervisor] + [VirtualMachine1...] |
| 20:38.16 | lindi- | caraconan: yes |
| 20:38.22 | lindi- | caraconan: but is that a problem really? |
| 20:38.35 | lindi- | caraconan: or well, in the sense the OS is the hypervisor |
| 20:38.39 | caraconan | mmm no, but I would like to try the other approach |
| 20:38.58 | lindi- | each virtual machine is just a process running under linux afaik |
| 20:39.10 | caraconan | It seems to me more powerful, but I should be wrong... |
| 20:39.12 | jordanm | lindi-: looks like I may stand corrected: http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Virtualization_Guide/chap-Virtualization-KVM_Para_virtualized_Drivers.html |
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| 20:39.29 | jordanm | would have shortened that if he noticed the length before hitting enter |
| 20:39.41 | kkirk | is there any parition level labeling tool for linux like freebsd's glabel? |
| 20:39.58 | woodworks | what is the default "network-interface" assuming default setup and wired eth0? autodetected |
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| 20:40.06 | jordanm | typically a filesystem has a label, not the partition |
| 20:40.23 | jordanm | woodworks: eth0? |
| 20:40.29 | woodworks | ethernet |
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| 20:40.48 | greycat | woodworks: I don't understand what you're asking |
| 20:40.49 | kkirk | jordanm: i know ;) but it's a nice feature if you have tons of disks |
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| 20:42.01 | woodworks | I have a lenny box, ubuntu box and squeeze box all hard wired through a network hub, the ubuntu box and lenny box see each other but the squeeze box doesn't show anywhere |
| 20:42.18 | jordanm | what is "see each other"? |
| 20:42.39 | woodworks | i'm trying to figure out how to get the squeeze box to show up in the network |
| 20:42.54 | greycat | Did you assign IPs yourself? Or is there a DHCP server on this network? |
| 20:42.57 | woodworks | hence my question about nfs earlier |
| 20:43.11 | woodworks | DHCP server on lenny |
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| 20:43.12 | jordanm | you mean zeroconf network stuff, such as avahi? |
| 20:43.34 | greycat | Check that the squeeze box actually got an IP address, and then try to ping that IP. |
| 20:43.50 | woodworks | Jordans, i think so |
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| 20:44.35 | jordanm | woodworks: well, is avahi what you use for host discovery? |
| 20:44.42 | woodworks | greycat, its NOT on the network, that's the problem -- could it be a nfs failure |
| 20:45.08 | greycat | *sigh* How come none of these virtualization howtos show me how to set things up so the host OS's IP is <ip1> and the guest OS's IP is <ip2>? |
| 20:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: Define "not on the network". |
| 20:45.31 | greycat | woodworks: Did it fail to communicate with the DHCP server? What does "not on the network" mean? What interfaces are present and what IPs do they have? |
| 20:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: nfs is file sharing. |
| 20:45.46 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 20:45.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 20:45.59 | woodworks | Jordan- i didn't do anything with the lenny and unbuntu as far as set them up, i installed it looked at hardware, etc., |
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| 20:46.55 | woodworks | "not on network" means from the squeeze box, I can't see the other boxes and they in turn can't see the squeeze box |
| 20:47.04 | greycat | What does "can't see" mean? |
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| 20:47.26 | greycat | What IP ADDRESSESES are assigned? How are you attempting to communicate with it currently? What happens if you PING those IP addresses? |
| 20:48.06 | b0nghitter | anyone here use ISPConfig? |
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| 20:48.32 | woodworks | sorry guys, i'm a rank beginner and you're asking me questions i am asking you -- how do i go about diagnosing my problem of a box not showing up on a network? |
| 20:48.39 | jordanm | I assume there is some kind of network-map GUI that shows auto-discovered hosts using avahi... that is how I understood the problem |
| 20:48.57 | woodworks | don't even know that avahi is.... |
| 20:49.01 | greycat | woodworks: start by running "ifconfig -a" to see what the interfaces are. |
| 20:49.09 | jordanm | that the "auto-discovery" is not function for one of the hosts, but rather hard to troubleshoot not knowing what he was using for autodiscovery |
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| 20:49.22 | woodworks | on which box? |
| 20:49.29 | greycat | woodworks: each of them, ideally. |
| 20:49.38 | greycat | but especially the one that's having trouble |
| 20:49.42 | woodworks | ok, be back in a bit |
| 20:52.54 | woodworks | squeeze box (problem box) shows link eth0 for ethernet, lo and pan0, lenny box shows eth0, lo, and ppp0 (dialup internet) |
| 20:53.35 | greycat | With what IP addresses? |
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| 20:55.12 | woodworks | lenny box (working) shows an ip4 and ip6, but the squeeze box just shows ip6 addy |
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| 20:56.01 | woodworks | i'm assuming inet means ip4 and inet6 means ip6 |
| 20:56.07 | greycat | yes |
| 20:56.24 | greycat | So, if your squeeze box has no inet address, that would make it hard to ping the box. |
| 20:56.43 | woodworks | right, that's what i mean about not showing on the network |
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| 20:57.01 | greycat | I still don't quite understand what you mean by "showing up". |
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| 20:57.05 | greycat | But I'll ignore that for now. |
| 20:57.24 | woodworks | can't ping it, can't access it won't show on network connections under gui |
| 20:57.29 | greycat | Check the logs and so on, and try to find out WHY you didn't get an inet address from the DHCP server. |
| 20:58.05 | woodworks | does it matter what order the boxes are started in? |
| 20:58.33 | woodworks | i think the lenny box must have the DHCP server |
| 20:59.44 | jordanm | on most home networks, your gateway handles the DHCP |
| 21:00.26 | woodworks | see, to a dummy with no experience gateway would mean a gateway computer (brand) |
| 21:00.44 | greycat | He probably means your Internet router. |
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| 21:01.16 | woodworks | don't have a router , have a hub , is that the problem? |
| 21:01.43 | jordanm | well, hubs don't do NAT, so if that were the case, only one of your machines would be able to access the internet at a time |
| 21:02.17 | greycat | Are you sure you actually set up a DHCP server? |
| 21:02.29 | woodworks | greycat, no i'm not sure |
| 21:02.30 | jordanm | woodworks: hubs are pretty rare these days |
| 21:02.32 | greycat | Can you see the DHCP server process running? Are you finding its log files? |
| 21:03.15 | greycat | If you don't want to set up a DHCP server, then the other option is to assign IP addresses manually. |
| 21:03.26 | jordanm | woodworks: also, hub is not be confused with a switch, which provides the same functionality in a different way |
| 21:03.46 | jordanm | (although, I read an in-depth switch book once that just referred to all of them as "bridges") |
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| 21:04.12 | jordanm | but really, that doesn't matter for this scenerio |
| 21:04.15 | woodworks | ps ax | grep DHCP shows nothing |
| 21:04.30 | jordanm | grep is case-sensitive without -i |
| 21:04.32 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:04.38 | grobe0ba | ps ax | grep dhcp or ps ax | grep -i DHCP |
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| 21:04.41 | grobe0ba | :P |
| 21:04.53 | d3x | grep -i + pattern in caps = weird ;) |
| 21:05.07 | greycat | I'm guessing he did NOT in fact set up a DHCP server process, because he doesn't seem to have any clue what he's doing.... |
| 21:05.20 | woodworks | not with lower case either |
| 21:05.21 | greycat | Though why he said the lenny box was a DHCP server, if it's not, eludes me. |
| 21:05.21 | grobe0ba | d3x: yes, but an example to show the difference for the sake of clarity seemed in order |
| 21:05.32 | grobe0ba | the way it SHOULD be done as compared to the way it was |
| 21:05.40 | d3x | grobe0ba, just an opinion of mine :) |
| 21:06.00 | grobe0ba | d3x, the second way i wrote it i would never use |
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| 21:06.29 | d3x | pidof dhcpd3 |
| 21:06.29 | grobe0ba | unless it were an automated script that i couldn't guarantee the correct input case |
| 21:06.30 | d3x | ;) |
| 21:06.36 | woodworks | i did it that way because i thought i was supposed to be looking for DHCP, not dhcp |
| 21:06.59 | d3x | woodworks, processes are _usually_ lower case |
| 21:07.08 | woodworks | d3x - thanks |
| 21:07.27 | greycat | d3x: pgrep is nicer, sometimes |
| 21:07.48 | d3x | true, if you don't know the exact process name |
| 21:08.01 | greycat | woodworks: either decide which box should be a DHCP server, and then install a DHCP server on it; or assign IPs yourself. |
| 21:08.02 | woodworks | ok, with the same setup and the squeeze box running winXP, all three see each other, all can access internet through winXP access |
| 21:08.27 | greycat | Is "winXP access" some sort of NAT + DHCP combination? |
| 21:08.30 | jordanm | uhh, so now the winxp box is the gateway? |
| 21:08.37 | d3x | using winxp as a router is even weirder than grep -i with pattern in caps :P |
| 21:09.01 | woodworks | greycat, which package should i install for DHCP server? |
| 21:09.12 | jordanm | tried in an emergency situation, toasted the networking stack of the non-networking oriented OS |
| 21:09.20 | woodworks | winxp = windows XP home for the unenducated |
| 21:09.38 | woodworks | sorry, getting testy |
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| 21:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude install clue |
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| 21:10.04 | d3x | *home*? and you want it to use for... anything? |
| 21:10.24 | jordanm | s/home/crippled/ |
| 21:10.27 | greycat | woodworks: I know what winxp is. I don't know what "winxp access" is. |
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| 21:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: It's their scheem for connection sharing. |
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| 21:11.00 | d3x | jordanm, don't insult the crippled... |
| 21:11.33 | woodworks | if i use the winmodem to connect to internet, all three computers and use the same connection or access |
| 21:11.36 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: I'm not sure it actually does dhcp though. |
| 21:11.54 | d3x | i'm pretty sure windows can't do dhcp unless you install a dhcp server |
| 21:12.06 | greycat | they still make winmodems?! |
| 21:12.37 | neilk | they still make modems? |
| 21:12.38 | greycat | Anyway. If you're dead set on using a Winmodem to access the Internet, and you can't make Debian utilize this Winmodem, then by all means carry on doing as you're doing. |
| 21:12.42 | jordanm | people still use winmodems?! |
| 21:13.07 | greycat | Let the Windows box be the DHCP server and NAT gateway, and have the other boxes act as DHCP clients to it. |
| 21:13.42 | woodworks | greycat, NO, i'm not set on using the winModem, i'm just saying that using the winXP, i can connect all computers, with Squeeze somethings not working |
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| 21:14.02 | greycat | That appears to be because you KNOW how to set up DHCP/NAT in windows, but you don't know how to set it up in Linux yet. |
| 21:14.03 | woodworks | winXp and squeeze, dual boot |
| 21:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | d3x: Well, it still has some way of passing out IP's. |
| 21:14.15 | rhodan | I'm trying to install Debian on a Sun Ultra 10. |
| 21:14.30 | greycat | If you want the squeeze box to take over the DHCP/NAT functions of the Windows installation when it's dual-booted into Squeeze, then you have to set up DHCP and NAT on squeeze. |
| 21:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: It's just a clickbox kinda thing, you don't actually set up DHCP or NAT. |
| 21:14.54 | greycat | Then you set it up by clicking a box.. |
| 21:14.55 | rhodan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.05 | greycat | It's still setting it up. |
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| 21:15.14 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: The squeeze box is not the box sharing it's connection is it? |
| 21:15.17 | d3x | jhutchins_lt, last time i tried i had to google for a dhcp server for about 2 hours... (no, i couldn't just aptitude install dhcp3-server, it was a winblows...) |
| 21:15.29 | rhodan | My problem is more interesting than yours. But it will make you feel old. |
| 21:15.36 | d3x | jhutchins_lt, maybe i just don't know how to use this OS ;) i'm debian kid |
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| 21:15.56 | jhutchins_lt | d3x: Right, and MS only supplies a DHCP server with their server products, but they do have an internet connection sharing "wizard" or something that performs a similar function. |
| 21:16.04 | woodworks | i'm asking what packages should i install for dhcp server and Nat now, i guess |
| 21:16.13 | greycat | woodworks: apt-cache search dhcp server |
| 21:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | d3x: It's not user-configurable, it uses default settings. |
| 21:16.33 | jhutchins_lt | I think we are heading in the wrong direction here. |
| 21:16.39 | woodworks | thanks, greycat |
| 21:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | You really don't want two different systems assigning IP's. |
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| 21:17.10 | greycat | dpkg's <nat> factoid is... not good. |
| 21:17.27 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 21:17.55 | greycat | I haven't done NAT on Linux in ages, since I moved my home router to OpenBSD. |
| 21:18.31 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: Can I get you to go over your setup agian before we get much further? |
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| 21:18.58 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: 'cause if what I think is happening is right, you're gonna break things. |
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| 21:19.17 | dmi3on | hey all, any one tryed using subversion with rsync ? |
| 21:19.29 | d3x | jhutchins_lt, i know it has something-like-the-real-dhcp in their server products :) i thought their "home" crap only allows static ips |
| 21:19.55 | woodworks | jhutchins: i have three boxes, one lenny, one ubuntu, one dual boot winXP/squeese all connected to a Linksys 4 port network hub by cat 5 cables |
| 21:20.05 | neilk | wow, that nat factoid really is bad |
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| 21:20.23 | neilk | the word iptables should really appear somewhere |
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| 21:20.36 | greycat | it appears in /usr/share/doc/iptables/... |
| 21:20.47 | jhutchins_lt | d3x: No, cause then you'd have to go into each box and set up an IP, and that's not how it works. |
| 21:20.49 | d3x | and in google if you ask it about iptables! :P |
| 21:20.49 | woodworks | when i boot in winXP, i can see all three computers from lenny, when booting in squeeze cannot see from lenny |
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| 21:21.21 | greycat | that's because when you boot the squeeze box, there is no DHCP server on the network, because you took away the winXP box that was acting in that capacity |
| 21:21.26 | d3x | jhutchins_lt, ok, i won't argue. i really try to avoid ms products as much as i can. epsecially the "home" (AKA idiot) editions ;) |
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| 21:21.47 | greycat | so the squeeze box tries to get an address, fails, and you have no address. |
| 21:21.54 | [gnubie] | my system is running debian squeeze amd64 on kernel linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64.. trying both the xen related packages version 3.4.3-1 from squeeze repository and version 4.0.1~rc3-1 from unstable repository, both cannot boot successfully and resulted a similar output to http://www.pastie.org/1033890 |
| 21:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: Ok, yeah, when you take XP off line you're going to loose some network services it's providing. |
| 21:22.01 | greycat | meanwhile, the lenny box already HAD an address from when you booted it. |
| 21:22.06 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: Does the winmodem work? |
| 21:22.54 | woodworks | jhutchins, yes under WinXP, i also have a external modem for the lenny box (using this now) |
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| 21:23.36 | [gnubie] | anyone can help me boot my dom0 successfully? i'm having this problem for a week already but still i cannot figure out and make it successful.. |
| 21:23.38 | greycat | If it were me, I'd set up the lenny box as the router/DHCP server. |
| 21:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: Ok, grey's right then, you'll need to set up ipforwarding/NAT and DHCP on the linux side for everything to work the same. |
| 21:24.33 | woodworks | greycat, that makes sense to me, i'll check into apt-cache etc.,, |
| 21:24.35 | mifadir | is it possible to install openvz kernel from apt? |
| 21:24.36 | mifadir | ? |
| 21:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: You will want to copy the same network addresses. |
| 21:24.54 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: maybe starting clean is better. |
| 21:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: This is an excellent guide to doing it right: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: If he uses the same address scheme he can switch without taking the other boxes off-line. |
| 21:25.47 | mifadir | hello |
| 21:26.16 | greycat | dpkg: no, NAT is Network Address Translation. Use the iptables package, and see <http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/> for details. |
| 21:27.02 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:27.02 | greycat | Can't be worse than what it had before.... |
| 21:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | I used to build linux boxes for firewall/routers back before you could get one at BestBuy for $50. |
| 21:27.14 | _wolf_ | I have this problem with an ATI card and a samsung LCD. to get 3d accel I have to use radeonhd, but then the bottom 50 or so pixels ar cut off... Any ideas? |
| 21:27.16 | woodworks | thanks guys, sorry if i was confusing, its because i'm confused |
| 21:27.41 | jhutchins_lt | My own box auto-dialed the ISP any time you requested an external address, it was pretty seamless. |
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| 21:27.52 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: I remember those days. |
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| 21:28.04 | greycat | Late 1990s. |
| 21:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | diald |
| 21:28.22 | woodworks | in the hills of kentucky with no fast access, i'm still in those days |
| 21:28.43 | greycat | I don't know if dial-on-demand stuff is even maintained any more. |
| 21:28.49 | jhutchins_lt | woodworks: The hills of Kentucky have their own advantages. |
| 21:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: To the extent that it needs anything, it's still available. |
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| 21:29.26 | woodworks | jhutchins, amen to that brother, again thanks for your help, gotta run wife came home |
| 21:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Still used in regions with metered access, although it's likely to be DSL or ppoe. |
| 21:30.17 | jhutchins_lt | Cheeze it, the wife! |
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| 21:32.21 | _wolf_ | any idea why the radeon driver says DRM disabled whilr radeonhd accepts it? |
| 21:34.21 | jhutchins_lt | _wolf_: Um, radeon doesn't support it on your chipset, radeonhd does? |
| 21:34.58 | _wolf_ | hmm, but it worked on the LVDS, but not with an external monitor :S |
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| 21:36.12 | d3x | _wolf_, asking #xorg might give you more answers :) |
| 21:36.13 | _wolf_ | all was good, until I tried to connect my new fullhd monitor... now nothing wors. I can choos to have accelleration or choose to not have the bottom 30 or so pixels... |
| 21:36.20 | _wolf_ | d3x: ok thanks |
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| 21:37.48 | action09 | oy |
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| 21:47.33 | Burnx | Hello |
| 21:47.48 | Burnx | I'm wonder If i did the right things for cronjobs |
| 21:47.54 | Burnx | I did crontab -e |
| 21:47.59 | Burnx | and added, 1 * * * * /emu/cccam/iptables.sh flush >> /emu/cccam/logs/monitor.log 2>&1 |
| 21:48.04 | Burnx | The thing is how to know if its runnin correctly |
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| 21:48.24 | ferr | every hour one minute |
| 21:48.34 | Burnx | I wanted it to run every minute |
| 21:48.38 | ferr | */1 |
| 21:48.39 | Burnx | is it the right method ? |
| 21:48.40 | Burnx | ok |
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| 21:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | Burnx: */1 will run every minute. |
| 21:49.20 | Burnx | Alright |
| 21:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | 1 will run at xx:01 |
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| 21:49.50 | Burnx | So doin it at crontab -e was right |
| 21:50.00 | jordanm | Burnx: man 5 crontab for more information |
| 21:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | Burnx: That's the way I learned. |
| 21:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | Burnx: That will run as whatever user you were when you edited the crontab. |
| 21:50.30 | Burnx | yeah works |
| 21:50.31 | Burnx | thanks |
| 21:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | Burnx: Another method is to put the command in a file in /etc/cron.hourly. |
| 21:50.59 | Burnx | <3 |
| 21:51.01 | jhutchins_lt | Burnx: Make the file executable and it will run as root. |
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| 21:51.19 | Burnx | This method is enuff since it works |
| 21:51.21 | mohadib_ | evening |
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| 21:51.43 | mohadib_ | for years i had to enable syntax highlighting in vim |
| 21:51.57 | mohadib_ | do the majority of people actaully not want that on? |
| 21:52.22 | jordanm | mohadib_: not a vim user, but the default in vim-tiny, perhaps the full version has it enabled by default? |
| 21:52.36 | jordanm | !emacs |
| 21:52.36 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:52.38 | mohadib_ | the vim pkg from apt has always had it disabled |
| 21:52.42 | mohadib_ | not a big deal |
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| 21:52.46 | mohadib_ | just always found it odd |
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| 21:53.13 | jordanm | mohadib_: well, you can always file a wishlist bug. usually the maintainers will atleast explain why they don't configure a particular way |
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| 21:53.24 | mohadib_ | ah, thanks |
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| 22:04.24 | Macer | is there some sort of ncurses user monitoring tool for debian? |
| 22:04.47 | neilk | user monitoring? |
| 22:05.07 | Mephisteus | oh, ncursus |
| 22:05.20 | Mephisteus | I need sleep, read that as nurses |
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| 22:05.26 | Mephisteus | which would've been nice |
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| 22:09.49 | khopesh | any experts in debian rescue usb stick creation here? |
| 22:10.00 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 22:10.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:10.18 | khopesh | live-magic is failing to create an image, and it helpfully deletes its work to start over again upon said failure |
| 22:10.19 | Macer | heh |
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| 22:10.35 | Macer | well. i tried whowatch and it kind of sucks |
| 22:10.35 | khopesh | gee thanks. i can't even preface my question w/out getting slammed |
| 22:10.38 | jordanm | ,info live-magic |
| 22:10.40 | judd | live-magic (misc, optional): GUI frontend to create Debian LiveCDs, netboot images, etc.. Version: 1.5+lenny2; Size: 60.5k; Installed: 568k; Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:10.49 | khopesh | already looking at the docs |
| 22:10.55 | Macer | maybe i should try setting up some sort of web monitoring tools.. but i would like to avoid that sort of thing |
| 22:10.58 | khopesh | wondering why i can't just start with a boot iso |
| 22:11.07 | jordanm | khopesh: I would recommend #debian-live (might be on OFTC) |
| 22:11.15 | khopesh | sounds good, thanks |
| 22:11.25 | Macer | i hate setting up web based stuff for a server that requires apache and sql :) i was hoping some sort of ncurses monitoring stuff was around |
| 22:11.32 | khopesh | uh, i'm the moderator of that empty channel now. |
| 22:11.38 | jordanm | Macer: htop? |
| 22:11.42 | khopesh | OFTC is another irc server? |
| 22:11.57 | streuner | yes |
| 22:12.00 | jordanm | khopesh: yes, irc.oftc.net, the official debian server |
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| 22:13.08 | Macer | jordanm: was looking for something like whowatch i suppose.. just better :) |
| 22:13.14 | Macer | heh ah well |
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| 22:14.09 | pmo | i have kde4.4 and alt-gr does curious things (shows up D) and then pipe and plenty of other similar things |
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| 22:14.19 | sammcd | Where are default logs for sshd on lenny? I'm having trouble debugging an issue. |
| 22:14.33 | jordanm | Sashi: /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:14.37 | sammcd | thx |
| 22:14.47 | pmo | sammcd, grep -il ssh /var/log/* |
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| 22:15.00 | pmo | personally i would suspect 'daemon.log' |
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| 22:16.09 | erwan_ho | hey fellows |
| 22:16.24 | erwan_ho | I'm looking for an option to enforce the "do as I say" |
| 22:16.40 | erwan_ho | I have to script this action in a controlled cased but I can't figure out how |
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| 22:17.02 | erwan_ho | even being noninteractive generates this query :/ |
| 22:17.10 | sammcd | pmo: thanks a lot auth.log seems to be the one |
| 22:17.11 | erwan_ho | anyone knows something about it ? |
| 22:17.21 | sammcd | its not helping as much as I thought it would though. |
| 22:17.47 | erwan_ho | sorry, I forgot to mention that I speak about apt |
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| 22:18.13 | Tired | how can it happen that files get mixed up on a samba share? |
| 22:18.51 | Tired | I have a regular file that suddenly became '.' |
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| 22:19.00 | sammcd | any tips on why an ssh user would be getting "Connection closed by 69.164.204.172" ? |
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| 22:19.12 | sammcd | I checked the permissions in his home directory... |
| 22:19.19 | Tired | you mean on log-in? |
| 22:19.30 | sammcd | yes |
| 22:19.34 | sammcd | immediately after login |
| 22:19.55 | Tired | no home directory |
| 22:20.01 | jordanm | no default shell |
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| 22:20.06 | Tired | no something |
| 22:20.11 | sammcd | crap |
| 22:20.12 | sammcd | heh |
| 22:20.21 | Tired | jordanm, better to generalize :) |
| 22:20.41 | Tired | "exit" in .bashrc might do it, too |
| 22:21.04 | jordanm | Tired: yeah.. hehe its same for my usual POP3 troubleshooting at work... "no something" |
| 22:21.37 | Tired | anyway - do you think unmounting might fix it? |
| 22:21.39 | Tired | whatever it is... |
| 22:22.16 | kevr | sry for the disconnects, had some ssl probs.. all done [amsg] |
| 22:22.27 | erwan_ho | no one for my apt issue ? |
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| 22:22.29 | sammcd | well he's got a home directory and a default shell :( |
| 22:22.42 | Tired | sammcd, does he also have 'something'? |
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| 22:22.55 | sammcd | I think so |
| 22:22.56 | Tired | sammcd, use ssh -v -v -v -v -v -v -v use@host |
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| 22:23.05 | Tired | user* |
| 22:23.06 | peterrooney | sammcd: for ssh, you can put echos in .bashrc and .bash_profile if you redirect them to stderr |
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| 22:23.29 | sammcd | ya what sucks is since I am using rsa for auth I can't act like I'm him |
| 22:23.31 | sammcd | at least I don't think I can |
| 22:23.35 | sammcd | I guess I can just add my key to the list |
| 22:23.38 | sammcd | drr |
| 22:23.57 | Tired | now it's fixed! |
| 22:23.59 | Tired | @$%#$@&@$%&@ |
| 22:24.15 | Tired | I think maybe stuff gets only partially updated... and that's how a regular file suddenly becomes a directory |
| 22:24.17 | Tired | or somesuch |
| 22:24.20 | Tired | it's vexing |
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| 22:26.07 | sammcd | whelp |
| 22:26.11 | sammcd | I just logged in as him perfectly fine |
| 22:26.34 | sammcd | any chance he gave me the wrong public key? could that cause this problem? |
| 22:27.36 | jordanm | if there was, you would see it with -vv |
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| 22:27.48 | jordanm | likely "failed public key" in the logs as well |
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| 22:28.49 | sammcd | only see accepted publickey |
| 22:28.49 | sammcd | hm |
| 22:29.40 | jordanm | perhaps the permissions on ~/.ssh for the client? |
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| 22:33.13 | sammcd | jordanm: Thanks thats a good idea too |
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| 22:33.23 | sammcd | right now I'm just waiting for him to give me the data he gets from -vvvv |
| 22:33.40 | dropson | recursive retrieval of files through a FTPS server, from command line. How to? Curl & WGET doesn't seem to support it |
| 22:33.44 | sammcd | I'm pretty impressed whenever I join a new chat channel to ask a question I expect the worst. |
| 22:34.07 | jordanm | ftps is in use somewhere? |
| 22:34.49 | cthuluh | dropson: lftp |
| 22:34.54 | dropson | i have to use username and password, and system requires keys for login, thus sftp is out of the picture |
| 22:35.28 | cthuluh | strange, I thought that curl would have handled it |
| 22:35.30 | dropson | cthuluh: thanks, I'll check that one out |
| 22:36.04 | dropson | cthuluh, same here. but according to curl.haxx.se ML it doesn't |
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| 22:37.25 | cthuluh | dropson: it requires username&password + client certificate? 8) |
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| 22:38.17 | dropson | cthuluh: recursive download |
| 22:38.24 | dropson | cthuluh: you sure it is supported? |
| 22:38.43 | cthuluh | I am not, I didn't use it for a long time. |
| 22:38.50 | cthuluh | but you have the manpage |
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| 22:39.08 | Ironhand | can anyone tell me how to unload/remove the "nouveau" kernel module in Debian running 2.6.32? rmmod says it's in use; I want to remove it as it conflicts with the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 22:39.20 | dropson | cthuluh: yea, it doesn't mention recursive download at all. But I'll take a long at lftp |
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| 22:40.21 | peterrooney | Ironhand: stop any programs that are using that module first... e.g., X |
| 22:40.49 | syslq1 | Can kernel modul run in userspace? It's probably a dumb question |
| 22:40.51 | Ironhand | peterrooney: I did... could it be a framebuffer based tty thing that's keeping it used? |
| 22:41.43 | cthuluh | Ironhand: blacklist it and reboot |
| 22:42.08 | Ironhand | cthuluh: I did, it still loads it... assuming that blacklisting is done through /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, that is |
| 22:42.08 | cthuluh | (oh and you'll probably need an update-initramfs) |
| 22:42.19 | Ironhand | ah, got me there |
| 22:42.26 | peterrooney | Ironhand: if so, cthuluh's suggestion may be a workable solution |
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| 22:43.54 | cthuluh | the hardest thing with full-featured tools like lftp is their long manpage :) |
| 22:44.12 | cthuluh | dropson: you definitively want lftp ;) |
| 22:44.14 | Ironhand | silliest thing is I don't even need the proprietary driver for the graphics... I just want the GPU fan to spin down already |
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| 22:44.49 | cthuluh | that's kinda stupid |
| 22:44.51 | Ironhand | right, that did it, thanks :-) can finally hear myself think again |
| 22:44.55 | Ironhand | agreed |
| 22:45.18 | Ironhand | but it seems only the nvidia driver is capable of sending the right signal to the hardware |
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| 22:48.37 | craigevil | Ironhand: i am using NVIDIA 256.35 with my GeForce 9400 GT usig the nvidia install with smxi some how it removes the nouvea stuff, blacklisting doesnt work because its in the kernel |
| 22:49.44 | craigevil | no clue how it does it all I know is lsmod doesn't show nouveau at all |
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| 22:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | Finally got all the gnome cruft cleared out of the server. |
| 22:52.17 | sammcd | I'm still struggling to get a user logging in, the only difference between when I try and he tries is that on mine the server accepts the key |
| 22:52.24 | sammcd | The only difference that I can tell is that his is DSA |
| 22:52.50 | jhutchins_lt | ssh-keygen -t rsa? |
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| 22:55.14 | cthuluh | dsa / rsa is not the point, sammcd. could you be a bit more precise? are you trying to login with the same ssh key? |
| 22:55.51 | sammcd | no |
| 22:56.10 | sammcd | jhutchins_lt: not a bad example |
| 22:56.17 | sammcd | nah we are each trying to log in with our own |
| 22:56.24 | sammcd | I can log in as myself with my key, and I can log in as him with my key |
| 22:56.30 | sammcd | he can't log in as him with his key |
| 22:56.39 | cthuluh | what? |
| 22:56.43 | cthuluh | weird |
| 22:56.53 | Tired | what - you can log in as him with your key? |
| 22:56.53 | sammcd | heh |
| 22:57.09 | sammcd | yup I appended mine to his authorized_keys |
| 22:57.21 | sammcd | to make sure it wasn't a permissions issue with his directory etc etc |
| 22:57.26 | cthuluh | so why don't you do the same with his key? |
| 22:57.28 | Tired | he's got the wrong key then? |
| 22:57.41 | sammcd | cthuluh: doubt he'll give me his key he uses it for many things |
| 22:57.49 | sammcd | ya.. guess I should double check I have the right key on the server for him.. |
| 22:57.59 | cthuluh | sammcd: you only need the public part |
| 22:58.02 | Tired | put your private key to his private key file |
| 22:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | Methinks the great mystery is solved. |
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| 22:58.35 | Tired | or that way around... |
| 22:58.55 | Tired | right - exchanging public keys is also a valid comparison which needs less trust |
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| 23:00.08 | cthuluh | sammcd: you didn't append your _private_ key to his authorized_keys file, did you? :) |
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| 23:02.55 | Tired | authorized_keys is public and goes on the server, id_dsa/id_rsa/identity is private and goes on the client |
| 23:03.07 | Tired | now if only ssh manpages would say it as clearly as that |
| 23:03.17 | neilk | ssh manpages are indeed cryptic |
| 23:03.37 | Tired | of course, it's even more confusing if you share the same $HOME via NFS or so... (easier, too, everything goes into the same dir) |
| 23:04.00 | peterrooney | barret + silverman's book isn't much less cryptic |
| 23:04.07 | Tired | neilk, yes... I remember wildly trying all possible combinations until ssh would let me in :) |
| 23:04.20 | Tired | peterrooney, some people are just born not to write... |
| 23:04.24 | Tired | I guess |
| 23:04.26 | Tired | it's a knack |
| 23:04.28 | neilk | i think i understood key configuration better after ignoring the man page |
| 23:04.30 | neilk | and port forwarding for sure |
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| 23:04.35 | Tired | hehe |
| 23:04.51 | Mehtrala | has anyone ever mounted a usb flash stick to do has ram mermory ? |
| 23:04.55 | Tired | yeah... both are not very complicated things... only if you read the manpage |
| 23:05.14 | Mehtrala | im reading a toturial, but im not shure if will use the mount command ok |
| 23:05.17 | lindi- | Mehtrala: ? |
| 23:05.38 | Mehtrala | lindi-: to use a usb pen has Ram mermory .. can i show the toturial? |
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| 23:05.59 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: that's a strange idea. are you sure you want to do this? |
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| 23:06.29 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: you can of course define your usb stick as a swap space |
| 23:06.49 | cthuluh | but flash memory isn't made for that usage |
| 23:06.57 | Mehtrala | cthuluh: for example on vista... theres even an option to do it, om my comp, props, advanced, .. and then theres an ption |
| 23:07.00 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: Anything that uses it will be extremely slow. |
| 23:07.11 | Mehtrala | can i show the toturial ? the address? |
| 23:07.21 | sammcd | You know what works? |
| 23:07.27 | sammcd | turning on password auth |
| 23:07.28 | sammcd | :( |
| 23:07.29 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: It does the same thing, gives you swap space on the USB, which would be agonizingly slow. It does not give you more RAM. |
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| 23:07.44 | Mehtrala | wait |
| 23:07.46 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: really, man, forget about it |
| 23:07.59 | jhutchins_lt | sammcd: Do that and have him set his key up properly. |
| 23:08.05 | Tired | cthuluh, wait for the magic! |
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| 23:08.18 | cthuluh | hmmm? 8) |
| 23:08.27 | Mehtrala | it was something so nice.. that i thougth that i could do , besides the web is full of DOCS with that |
| 23:08.30 | Mehtrala | http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11637.html |
| 23:08.37 | Tired | cthuluh, also, you can drill holes into the wires of your ethernet connection to make it faster... |
| 23:08.48 | cthuluh | hehe |
| 23:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | Oh god. Novell. |
| 23:09.09 | cthuluh | sigh |
| 23:09.22 | sammcd | jhutchins_lt: thats what I did |
| 23:09.22 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: this has nothing to do with RAM |
| 23:09.26 | sammcd | jhutchins_lt: I think it worked |
| 23:09.44 | Tired | jhutchins_lt, Novell is god? |
| 23:10.09 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: I don't think we're using the same terminology. |
| 23:10.14 | Tired | that's a lot of text just to mount a usb stick... |
| 23:10.22 | cthuluh | Tired: talking about ethernet connection, I played a bit with interfaces bonding today, quite impressive |
| 23:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: If you have Gnome or KDE, it should offer to mount the USB disk automatically when you plug it in. |
| 23:10.32 | Mehtrala | what about this one http://forums.techarena.in/tips-tweaks/1069624.htm |
| 23:10.33 | Tired | BDSM? |
| 23:10.42 | Mehtrala | besides, vista even brings a menu proper for it |
| 23:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: This really doesn't have anything to do with RAM (Random Access Memory), which is volitile System Memory. |
| 23:11.16 | jhutchins_lt | Tired: That's how Novell does things. |
| 23:11.31 | lindi- | Mehtrala: It's called swap probably |
| 23:11.35 | lindi- | Mehtrala: in debian |
| 23:11.44 | Tired | After your PC finished with its detection work,you have to do some little? |
| 23:11.48 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: ok, so people are actually using flash memory as ram. do you feel forced to be as stupid as they are? |
| 23:12.18 | lindi- | cthuluh: using flash as swap might not be that bad |
| 23:12.18 | Tired | that's not "as ram"... that can only be "as swap" (as you guessed before - congrats) |
| 23:12.43 | Mehtrala | lindi- : usb swap.. |
| 23:12.47 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: Ok, that one is about RAM, it IS using the flash drive as swap space, which will NOT increase your RAM, but will trash system performance and ruin the drive. |
| 23:12.48 | cthuluh | yes, Tired , but to the software, that's the same |
| 23:12.55 | lindi- | cthuluh: seeking is faster and reading is probably fast enough |
| 23:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Generally you disable swap if you're running off of a USB drive. |
| 23:14.05 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: why do I do that? |
| 23:14.06 | cthuluh | lindi-: flash memory has a short life |
| 23:14.06 | Mehtrala | lindi-: it will be fast swap |
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| 23:14.14 | Tired | lindi-, *and* you can pull off the stick during operation and see what a crashed swap-disk does to the system, which should be interesting... so you won't get bored on those rainy days! |
| 23:14.18 | lindi- | cthuluh: depends on type I guess? |
| 23:14.19 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: do you need swap? |
| 23:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | No, it won't be as fast as swap on an HD. |
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| 23:14.33 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: do you _use_ swap? |
| 23:14.34 | lindi- | Tired: I can do that with serial ata too ;) |
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| 23:14.47 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: are you sure? |
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| 23:14.48 | Tired | lindi-, much more convenient with a little stick, though |
| 23:14.55 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: since seeking will at least be fast |
| 23:15.05 | Mehtrala | i read docs that with (open suse i think) with KDE , the sistem itself starts using that feauture automaticly |
| 23:15.23 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: I could do a benchmark, what sort of workload would you prefre? |
| 23:15.25 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: True of flash memory in general, but not true of USB flash drives. |
| 23:15.39 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: well usb is only a transport |
| 23:15.43 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Transfer time is very slow. |
| 23:15.44 | Tired | but then you gave us that document from Novell... which doesn't describe at all what you were talking about... |
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| 23:16.36 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: something like 6 MB/s from my cheap usb stick yes |
| 23:16.45 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: compared to sata that is quite slow |
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| 23:17.14 | Mehtrala | jhujhiti: wha did u sayd that i could do with gnome |
| 23:17.15 | Mehtrala | ? |
| 23:17.20 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Go ahead and try it. |
| 23:17.28 | Tired | you could add *lots* of sticks via usb hubs to increase bandwidth :-P |
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| 23:17.41 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: yes but what exactly should I try? |
| 23:17.48 | lindi- | Tired: not really :) |
| 23:17.50 | Tired | 3*6 MB/s = 60MB/s |
| 23:18.00 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Swapping to USB stick. |
| 23:18.01 | Mehtrala | cthuluh: i got swap , and ram 256 |
| 23:18.07 | Tired | lindi-, why not? |
| 23:18.16 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: yes but how do I measure the performance vs. swap on sata disk? |
| 23:18.22 | Tired | lindi-, usb limits of course apply |
| 23:18.34 | Tired | lindi-, by swapping ;) |
| 23:18.42 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: I think you'll be able to tell the difference without having to benchmark it. |
| 23:18.47 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: I have ran a mail and web server + a Xfce with 110 MB of ram |
| 23:18.57 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: ? |
| 23:19.15 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: normally my system does not even touch swap at all so surely i'm not going to notice anything unless I actually use swap |
| 23:19.17 | cthuluh | (not very proud of the Xfce part, but heh...) |
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| 23:20.05 | jhutchins_lt | lindi-: Yeah, you'd have to generate a situation where you were swapping. |
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| 23:26.59 | Mehtrala | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-859306.html |
| 23:27.13 | Mehtrala | theres a part that mentions about a vista feauture |
| 23:27.43 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: If you need swap it would be best to have a swap partition on your primary hard drive. |
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| 23:29.55 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: of course im using it, i need it, i got only 256 |
| 23:30.06 | Mehtrala | ram |
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| 23:30.13 | Mehtrala | got swap, yes |
| 23:30.17 | Black_Phantom | hello, how can I suggest stuff to be added to dpkg ? |
| 23:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | D`Oh! Linux has used disk caching forEVER. |
| 23:31.44 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: i coundnt run the new ubuntu 10.4, not even with XFCE |
| 23:31.54 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: try this: dd if=/de/your_usb_key of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=100 |
| 23:32.15 | cthuluh | then this: dd if=/dev/your_swap_partition of=/dev/null bs=4096 count=100 |
| 23:32.30 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: disk cachin? is that somehow related? |
| 23:32.33 | cthuluh | you will know whether using a flash drive is interesting |
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| 23:33.40 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: Yes. |
| 23:33.49 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: That is EXACTLY what readyboost is. |
| 23:34.12 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: readyboost .. on the vista? |
| 23:34.23 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: Ubuntu is not exactly a light weight distro. |
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| 23:34.55 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: There are distros that are lighter than debian. |
| 23:35.20 | unixp | whats wrong? i edited the .conkyrc config, but its still the same config when i start conky... |
| 23:35.29 | unixp | it doesnt change |
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| 23:35.43 | Mehtrala | "..... 2) The USB drive is supposedly faster for random reads of small bits of data. Apparently faster than a HD for reads of under 512KB. |
| 23:35.43 | Mehtrala | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.52 | Mehtrala | «« http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-859306.html |
| 23:36.02 | cthuluh | supposedly |
| 23:36.30 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: realy ? .. interesting |
| 23:36.39 | cthuluh | anyway, use an other desktop manager, Mehtrala. try lxde, for example |
| 23:36.54 | cthuluh | if even xfce uses too much memory |
| 23:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | http://lightlinux.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:37.25 | Mehtrala | cthuluh: i guess those lines, will give me a timing of speed for both usb and hard disk? |
| 23:37.38 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: DSL, Puppy. |
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| 23:38.08 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: yes. change the "count=100" to "count=10000" for a more accurrate result |
| 23:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: I guess the only way to know what works for you is to try it. |
| 23:38.33 | lindi- | cthuluh: for long sequantial read yes. but maybe you should do random 10k reads with seeking |
| 23:38.35 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: I'm pretty sceptical about the whole thing. |
| 23:38.44 | buggarage` | heh |
| 23:38.51 | cthuluh | lindi-: I understood |
| 23:39.06 | cthuluh | lindi-: also, "supposedly" |
| 23:39.20 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: if the worse is loosing the system im not woried at all |
| 23:39.37 | Mehtrala | or alos loosin the pen.. |
| 23:39.42 | Mehtrala | not worried about that too |
| 23:39.46 | jhutchins_lt | According to PC World, "Kingston, Lexar, and Ridata devices provide USB flash storage but don't consistently speed up Vista applications." |
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| 23:40.19 | Mehtrala | cthuluh: What do i put in dev? |
| 23:40.41 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/whats-best-lightweight-linux-distro |
| 23:40.42 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: what's the name of your usb key? |
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| 23:42.06 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: please do not run these commands as root, you never know... |
| 23:42.41 | Mehtrala | oh i can try with normal user .. so ill be shure no harm is done? |
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| 23:43.22 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2160&page=6 |
| 23:43.35 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: when you know what you type, you're sure that no harm will be done. but you don't seem to now dd, so yes, be cautious |
| 23:43.39 | Mehtrala | cthuluh: dd will copy something? i googled it? |
| 23:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | Basically it's a gimmick for the USB manufactureres to sell new "ReadyBoost Compatible" drives. |
| 23:43.52 | unixp | whats wrong? i edited the .conkyrc config, but its still the same config when i start conky... |
| 23:44.06 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: it will read from your usb key, and show you the speed |
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| 23:46.02 | Mehtrala | cthuluh: Do u know why when i type dd has a normal user (just "dd") the terminal just changes line and doesnt prints anything else? |
| 23:46.26 | Mehtrala | and after i type control C .. it will print |
| 23:46.29 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: Please be careful about using commands you don't understand without readning the man page. |
| 23:47.02 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: k ty :) |
| 23:47.08 | cthuluh | Mehtrala: dd reads from stdin and writes to stdout (your terminal) if you don't specify an input / output file |
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| 23:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | Boggom line has always been that RAM is RAM, and there's no real substitute for enough RAM. |
| 23:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | Bottom line even. |
| 23:50.11 | Mehtrala | jhutchins_lt: what if im usig normal permisions user? |
| 23:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | Still a good idea to check the manpage for an unfamiliar command, see what it's meant to do and how.; |
| 23:52.09 | jhutchins_lt | Mehtrala: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html |
| 23:52.11 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.23 | Mehtrala | ty |
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| 23:59.41 | chains | hello... having problems updating my kernel... keeps complaining about updating libc.. which i can't do until i update and reboot into my kernel.... any help? |
