| 00:00.01 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to reinstall lenny from scratch after i've gotten my laptop repaired but i get the following message: ........."kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" before i had to get my machine fixed, i had no problem installing lenny from scratch (was successful 4-5 times in the past) and the CD doesn't appeared to b damaged because i tried it on another machine. can anybody help me please? |
| 00:00.13 | zfra | allu2_: nevermind, it's been very helpful so far. Thanks. |
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| 00:02.21 | allu2 | zfra, no problem :) |
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| 00:03.36 | MrJK | hi |
| 00:04.01 | MrJK | How to set up the apache confihguration file for backupppc woth mod-perl ? |
| 00:04.34 | MrJK | I don't know which directives I have to use ... Or I didn't find the good man page |
| 00:06.07 | jhutchins_lt | MrJK: backuppc docs should tell you what you need. |
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| 00:07.29 | MrJK | jhutchins_lt: yes, but it use CGI interface by default |
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| 00:07.45 | MrJK | I'm trying a solution posted on a forum |
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| 00:20.35 | thepro4e1er | is there a way i can check the version of apache2 i installed on debian? |
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| 00:24.37 | eikenberry | thepro4e1er. dpkg -l apache2 |
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| 00:36.51 | thepro4e1er | eikenberry: thats very appauling because it says apache2 2.2.9-10+lenny Apache HTTP Server metapackage |
| 00:37.14 | thepro4e1er | eikenberry: i go to the apache tomcat homepage and it doesn't even list an apache tomcat version 2.29 |
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| 01:00.16 | Bushmills | wh not look in apache downloads instead? goes to 2.3.5 alpha there. or 2.2.15, march release |
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| 01:11.12 | thepro4e1er | where is the documentation directory in debian |
| 01:11.18 | dark | I have a issue with ffmpeg dependencies that might be caused by debian-multimedia (I'm on squeeze, using the squeeze repository of debian-multimedia). It appeared during aptitude safe-upgrade, and now 'Current status: 3 broken [+3], 75 updates [-2].', is this channel appropriate for asking for help with this? |
| 01:11.41 | dark | if yes, http://pastebin.com/QPj5m9LU and http://pastebin.com/zv86i0sB documents my problem, i am a bit puzzled |
| 01:11.45 | dark | (but i shouldn't) |
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| 01:11.54 | dark | thepro4e1er, /usr/doc ? |
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| 01:12.04 | dark | thepro4e1er, you want documentation on what? |
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| 01:12.32 | thepro4e1er | dark, i'm trying to find where my apache2 documentation installed to with aptitude |
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| 01:12.38 | iateadonut | anyone know fluxbox? how do i set a single hotkey to run two commands? do i have to write a script and execute that, or is there a way to do it right in ~/.fluxbox/keys? |
| 01:12.47 | thepro4e1er | dark: and it looks like i have no /usr/doc |
| 01:13.09 | dark | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/ffmpeg/libx264-ipod640.ffpreset', which is also in package libavcodec52 4:0.5.1-3, it seems i have to remove libavcoded52 |
| 01:13.28 | dark | but, why aptitude suggested this, i'm wondering |
| 01:13.39 | dark | thepro4e1er, /usr/share/doc |
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| 01:13.44 | thepro4e1er | dark, i want to read the apache documentation |
| 01:14.22 | dark | thepro4e1er, aptitude install apache2-doc, maybe it will be found /usr/share/doc/apache2 or something like that |
| 01:14.30 | dark | if you don't find it, dpkg -L apache2-doc |
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| 01:15.57 | thepro4e1er | dark: i found it |
| 01:16.17 | thepro4e1er | whats the command to launch an html page with a web browser |
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| 01:18.33 | dark | thepro4e1er, hmm, what's the web browser you have installed? |
| 01:18.47 | dark | i think there is a freedesktop app to find the "right" browser |
| 01:18.56 | thepro4e1er | dark: ice weasel, it was a default with debian lenny |
| 01:19.12 | dark | thepro4e1er, then the command is called iceweasel |
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| 01:19.40 | dark | ah, the command for a "generic" graphical browser is x-www-browser |
| 01:20.06 | thepro4e1er | iceweasel index.html worked!! |
| 01:20.29 | dark | here it links to epiphany, it seems like the system-wide default browser in my system |
| 01:20.43 | thepro4e1er | dark: your brain runs on linux |
| 01:21.03 | thepro4e1er | you're a walking man |
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| 01:21.07 | thepro4e1er | walking man page |
| 01:21.12 | dark | thepro4e1er, no, it's not managed (for now) |
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| 01:25.00 | dark | Ahh.. this debian-multimedia package is just broken, now I don't want to upgrade anymore, maybe I need pinning.. |
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| 01:26.10 | dark | aptitude install libavcodec52=5:0.5.1+svn20100427-0.0 ffmpeg=5:0.5.1+svn20100427-0.0 has no conflicts and installs the latest version from debian-multimedia of both packages, and one tries to write a file the other "owns" |
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| 01:30.57 | ScottG | What is the alternatives name for the session manager? |
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| 01:32.16 | ScottG | I would think it would be x-session-manager but I have slim installed and it isn't showing up |
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| 01:34.36 | dark | ScottG, here I have /etc/rc3.d/S04gdm that starts gdm unconditionally |
| 01:35.17 | dark | but I don't have slim installed |
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| 01:36.00 | ScottG | dark: Looks like this is a bug |
| 01:36.19 | ScottG | I mean if slim is installed it should show up in x-session-manager |
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| 01:36.51 | \amethyst | ScottG: that's a display manager, not a session manager |
| 01:37.12 | \amethyst | ScottG: slim Provides: x-display-manager |
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| 01:38.05 | dark | yes, I was looking that.. http://wiki.debian.org/FluxBox#XDM |
| 01:38.13 | dark | fluxbox provides x-session-manager |
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| 01:43.39 | MrJK | There is a backuppc user here? I don't understand why the Web interface doesn't work :s |
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| 01:45.33 | ScottG | \amethyst: Ahh display manager |
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| 01:47.24 | ScottG | dark: \amethyst: I don't have an alternative called x-display-manager |
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| 01:48.18 | wilberfan | damn. aptitude just removed all of my mythtv packages... now it wont put them back because of 'unmet dependencies'... |
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| 01:50.02 | Hackwar | hi, what is the command to show the current IP adress? |
| 01:50.12 | azteech | ifconfig -a |
| 01:50.17 | Hackwar | thx |
| 01:50.19 | Hackwar | :-) |
| 01:50.22 | azteech | yw |
| 01:50.48 | azteech | !ifconfig |
| 01:50.48 | dpkg | ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. Use the -a option to view all of them, or "man ifconfig" for more. See also <interfaces>, <myip>. |
| 01:51.11 | azteech | !myip |
| 01:51.11 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
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| 01:52.52 | hideo | wow that's ... convoluted |
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| 01:54.31 | goanu | what's the diff between hpijs and hplip? |
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| 01:55.13 | nickgaw | In debian if I wish to run a program with the highest priority would nice -20 program work? |
| 01:56.01 | Ziber | Why wouldnt ipv6 be enabled on boot? |
| 01:56.20 | goanu | which should i use for HP Deskjet F380, hpijs or hplip? |
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| 01:56.35 | dark | Ziber, (not sure, but from your error msgs, it looks like your kernel doesn't support it) |
| 01:56.58 | Ziber | dark: but modprode ipv6 works fine |
| 01:57.06 | dark | hm, o.o |
| 01:57.21 | dark | care to paste /etc/network/interfaces? also, the error message |
| 01:57.46 | dark | Ziber, lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 01:57.54 | dark | what is the output of this? |
| 01:58.07 | Ziber | no output |
| 01:58.13 | Ziber | and sure, sec. |
| 01:58.17 | dark | here too |
| 01:59.18 | Ziber | http://zpaste.org/35524 <-- interfaces file |
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| 01:59.32 | Ziber | and i'll have to reboot the VM (this is all on a VM, btw) to see the error, gimme a min |
| 01:59.56 | dark | dmesg? |
| 02:00.05 | dark | (if it's a boot-time error, type dmesg) |
| 02:00.26 | dark | or at least hmm, early boot time |
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| 02:00.46 | Ziber | the relevant part of the boot up mesage: http://zpaste.org/35525 |
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| 02:10.00 | ScottG | if I do an aptitude purge <package> will the downloaded files be removed? |
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| 02:11.18 | dark | Ziber, maybe, hmm, this debian really has no inet6 support |
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| 02:11.30 | dark | no idea how to fix |
| 02:12.11 | dark | Ziber, you set up two interfaces with same name? is this really valid? |
| 02:12.24 | Ziber | yes, one is inet and one is inet6. |
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| 03:00.53 | doctorwhite | mirror of stripes is 01, yes? |
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| 03:15.03 | magnux | Hello Everyone |
| 03:15.07 | maouna | failed to print a .doc file from OpenOffice. no response from printer. error file shows " Can't find initialization file gs_init.ps." "May not be a PDF file (continuing anyway)". why is the printer expecting a pdf file? |
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| 03:17.18 | magnux | maouna, hi please check if you have installed ghostscript-cups |
| 03:17.30 | magnux | maouna, do you know how to do it? |
| 03:17.52 | maouna | yes, trying. |
| 03:18.59 | ranix | judd: pciid 1102:0007 |
| 03:19.00 | judd | [1102:0007] is 'CA0106 Soundblaster' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-ca0106' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0007 and the out-of-tree 'snd-ca0106' module. |
| 03:19.15 | maouna | magnux. its already the newest version. |
| 03:19.28 | maouna | magnux: its already the newest version. |
| 03:19.46 | tuv | i export /srv (ro,fsid=0) and /srv/home (rw), then mount -t nfs4 server:/home, but get no write permissions! what am i doing wrong? |
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| 03:20.12 | tuv | i tried nohide, no_root_squash. still no write permission |
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| 03:20.49 | magnux | maouna, please check too: ghostscript ghostscript-x |
| 03:21.01 | tuv | if i change /srv to (rw), i get write permission but owner is always nobody, regardless of no_root_squash |
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| 03:26.12 | maouna | magnux: install them too but no diff. job state shows "stopped: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstopdf failed"" |
| 03:26.43 | shatil | tuv, pastebin your exports file. |
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| 03:29.17 | z1y | hi. Can I disable ipv6 on a system without rebooting running system (Lenny)? |
| 03:29.22 | tuv | shatil: on its way |
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| 03:30.35 | MoMo | test |
| 03:31.15 | shatil | MoMo, failed. |
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| 03:34.33 | MoMo | damn it |
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| 03:40.24 | gpm | hi. recently upgraded and now my gstreamer apps don't play. if i push play they don't ever start to play, just sit there. |
| 03:42.15 | wols | upgraded to what? |
| 03:43.36 | tuv | shatil: http://paste.debian.net/74308/ |
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| 03:43.57 | gpm | wols: figured it out. installed pulseaudio's raop module and it was sending audio to the airport express |
| 03:44.03 | shatil | tuv, what's inside /srv/home? |
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| 03:45.16 | tuv | shatil: home directories, but it doesn't matter right now. just garbage test files |
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| 03:46.11 | tuv | considers using /srv/nfs as nfs4 root instead of /srv - so home becomes at /srv/nfs/home |
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| 03:46.33 | shatil | tuv, try commenting out all the other lines except /srv/home and use the options (rw,no_root_squash). re-export (exportfs -a). |
| 03:47.01 | tuv | shatil: /srv/home alone works |
| 03:47.47 | tuv | shatil: problems start when i have the nfs4 root (ro) and a subdirectory exported (rw) - they all behave ro |
| 03:48.13 | shatil | tuv, I see. Did you try putting the ro lines after the rw lines? |
| 03:52.21 | tuv | shatil: no, but the ro is fsid=0 (root) - i'll give it a try, although i don't think it'll do anything |
| 03:52.40 | shatil | tuv, try without the fsid and other options first. |
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| 03:53.41 | tuv | shatil: nope. order didn't matter |
| 03:54.14 | tuv | shatil: without fsid it won't mount as nfs4 (nfs works) |
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| 03:57.33 | shatil | tuv, don't specify a "filesystem" type to mount. |
| 03:58.20 | \amethyst | ! -type f ! -type d |
| 03:58.22 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:58.43 | tuv | shatil: that will mount them nfs, not nfs4. like i said nfs works. i'm trying to get nfs4 working |
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| 04:00.01 | shatil | tuv, have you tried without the ro option? |
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| 04:05.34 | tuv | shatil: yes. with rw for both /srv and /srv/home i can write, but the owner of newly written files is nobody (no effect of no_root_squash) |
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| 04:11.59 | liable | wtf do i have two audio cards in a laptop? |
| 04:12.51 | shatil | liable, how did you determine that? |
| 04:13.07 | liable | lspci |
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| 04:15.32 | wols | liable: hdmi? |
| 04:16.07 | liable | wols: i have no idea, ive never seen this before in a laptop. |
| 04:16.15 | liable | two different vendors two.. |
| 04:16.31 | liable | and alsamixer is missing a lot of the usual channels that it shows |
| 04:16.50 | liable | its got a nvidia graphics card, i can only assume its related to that |
| 04:17.55 | liable | and my goddamn volume keys dont work, even thow alsa is reporting the key presses |
| 04:18.28 | liable | god |
| 04:18.34 | liable | s/thow/though/ |
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| 04:19.03 | plotnet | hi |
| 04:19.55 | plotnet | i lost the file /etc/profile, who to make a new |
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| 04:21.43 | shatil | plotnet, use this: http://shatil.pastebin.com/Ve7PmUQP |
| 04:22.07 | plotnet | who to reinstall the package of file profile |
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| 04:23.07 | shatil | plotnet, copy that into /etc/profile. |
| 04:24.59 | plotnet | i use the debian lenny, the file of site no give problem here? |
| 04:25.35 | shatil | No. |
| 04:25.56 | plotnet | ok, go make him |
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| 04:31.16 | tuv | bah.. even for a working nfs4 export (can mount as nfs4) automount mounts them as nfs3 |
| 04:31.27 | tuv | despite the nfs4 options |
| 04:31.35 | plotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.08 | shatil | tuv, lol, what's so special about 4 that you _have_ to have it? |
| 04:33.07 | breedx | I've been running amd64 on a genuine amd cpu for 5+ years now, but need to fresh install on an intel i7. is amd64 the right arch for debian on x86-64 (like the i7?) |
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| 04:35.35 | tuv | oh wait. it does work. my bad on this one |
| 04:35.57 | zfra | does anyone have information about a driver for Nat. Semi. PC87591 Super IO, to allow lm-sensors control the fan correctly? I am using squeeze/sid and when I run sensors-detect, it says that no driver is supported for this Nat. Semi..., post in http://paste.debian.net/74313 |
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| 04:39.11 | tuv | so the best i can do now is to just export /srv/nfs (rw,fsid=0), and setup autofs to look for /home/* in server:/home/& |
| 04:39.44 | tuv | that way i can still export other stuff by putting them in /srv/nfs |
| 04:40.03 | tuv | the only missing feature i was hoping for is to have /srv/nfs exported ro |
| 04:40.04 | wols | breedx: yes, and you don't need to reinstall debian either |
| 04:40.28 | breedx | wols: sweet, but this is a new box. ;) |
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| 04:41.51 | wols | breedx: you _can_ copy your old debian install over... |
| 04:41.55 | wols | zfra: http://www.lm-sensors.org/ticket/2128 |
| 04:42.51 | tuv | as far as i can tell, subdirectories can be exported with different permissions (ro/rw) only if they are bind-mounted under the nfs4 root, not if they are physically there |
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| 04:45.32 | breedx | wols: yeah, good point...but I'd rather not bring along the 5 years of cruft. easier to install fresh on new box I think. |
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| 04:47.47 | zfra | wols: thanks!, but now what I do not understand is, why it works fine with kernel version < 2.6.32 |
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| 05:36.37 | wols | zfra: .32 kernels are not in stable and nowhere as well tested than stable kernel. It could be a regression however, so check what .26 kernel uses to speak to your chip. |
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| 05:38.26 | zfra | wols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536183 |
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| 05:40.22 | wols | that's a different issue. nothing to do with lm-sensors |
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| 06:33.20 | ruben23 | hi guys how do i install this atheros ethernet card on my debian-server 8.04------> http://pastebin.com/6RwKtran |
| 06:34.42 | pallgone | 8.04? you mean ubuntu? |
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| 06:36.59 | mercan | good morning/evening everybody. |
| 06:37.06 | mercan | I don't understand something with the debian package management although I really read the official and inofficial documents that I could find. |
| 06:37.17 | mercan | Suppose I patched a source package |
| 06:37.37 | ruben23 | pallgone: yes |
| 06:37.43 | mercan | now I have my own version of it and installed by apt |
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| 06:37.50 | Rashid- | ubuntu has its own support channel. |
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| 06:38.08 | mercan | when I do safe-upgrade |
| 06:38.13 | mercan | with aptitude |
| 06:38.15 | dark | it seems he or she is talking about debian, not ubuntu |
| 06:38.21 | mercan | I am talking about debian |
| 06:38.28 | mercan | actually never used ubuntu before |
| 06:38.38 | mercan | how does it decide whether to upgrade or not? |
| 06:38.48 | Rashid- | was referring to ruben23 myself. |
| 06:39.13 | mercan | ah sorry, I didn't notice I interfered in the middle of another conversation |
| 06:39.41 | Rashid- | no worries. |
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| 06:44.45 | dark | mercan, I *think* it will prefer, by default, newer packages. but the dependency solver for safe-upgrade is conservative: it will not remove any packages. (i may be wrong in the details). man aptitude show things |
| 06:45.27 | valdyn | dark: it will just not remove any packages that are not marked auto |
| 06:45.57 | dark | mercan, see the section on --safe-resolver (the man page says aptitude --safe-resolver full-upgrade is the same as aptitude safe-upgrade; that is, the difference is the dependency resolver) |
| 06:46.12 | dark | valdyn, hmm ok |
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| 06:47.08 | dark | (erm, the difference between full-upgrade and safe-upgrade) |
| 06:47.10 | mercan | OK I am going to check it. So if it doesnt replace, whenever a new version is available I will get the source patch and install again and will have to check the availability of a new version manually |
| 06:47.40 | valdyn | aptitude just tries to be to clever sometimes, and when it "breaks" chances are that apt-get will find a viable solution quickly |
| 06:47.48 | dark | mercan, ah, i don't know how it interacts with your own packages, but i suppose not |
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| 06:48.09 | dark | mercan, i mean, how aptitude would know about your patches? |
| 06:48.21 | dark | valdyn, really? people usually praise aptitude here.. |
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| 06:48.32 | valdyn | dark: rightly so |
| 06:48.48 | mercan | I thought a patched package is considered as another version of the same package |
| 06:49.19 | valdyn | dark: users will just often break their system using apt-get more often than "experts" can use it to fix aptitude issues |
| 06:49.25 | xoz | also prefers apt-get than aptitude. at least, apt-get is not tying to be too intelligent |
| 06:49.28 | dark | mercan, maybe you should change the version? if you don't, it will install the new package without any of your patches, that's my bet |
| 06:49.48 | ranix | I have been using apt-get since 1998 |
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| 06:49.52 | ranix | what's wrong with apt-get |
| 06:49.54 | xoz | if you know less about fixing debian, aptitude is ok |
| 06:49.56 | dark | xoz, I know a guy that prefers slackware for this very same reason :D |
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| 06:50.04 | valdyn | dark: stuck aptitude and asking for support is much better than broken system then asking for support ;) |
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| 06:50.07 | xoz | dark: that |
| 06:50.28 | xoz | dark: that is way overboard for comparison :) |
| 06:50.35 | mercan | I thought a patched packed would be something like packagesoldname-mercan.deb and the version would appear like 1.2.3-mercan or so |
| 06:50.42 | valdyn | slackware has no package management, you can have that with debian too |
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| 06:51.25 | valdyn | mercan: you can do that |
| 06:51.26 | xoz | but slackware is a nice learning experience to know the guts of linux |
| 06:51.30 | dark | funny, i'm installing lfs |
| 06:51.51 | dark | (but i may desist, compiling is slow here on my atom..) |
| 06:52.12 | mercan | valdyn, then when a new package is available, then it is not clear whether my patched version is newer or the newer released one |
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| 06:52.26 | mercan | but as far as I understand from the man, safe upgrade wont replace my old |
| 06:52.34 | valdyn | mercan: if you add a string like -mercan to the version then its newer |
| 06:52.50 | mercan | say I am patching version 2.8 to 2.8-mercan |
| 06:52.58 | mercan | but the developer released 2.9 |
| 06:53.08 | dark | 2.9 seems newer than 2.8-mercan |
| 06:53.10 | valdyn | mercan: then 2.9 is newest and your patched version will be replaced |
| 06:53.23 | valdyn | mercan: to keep your patched version you need to pin it |
| 06:53.25 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 06:53.26 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 06:53.28 | dark | mercan, you probably want to pin your preferred version |
| 06:53.54 | valdyn | mercan: or you could also put it on hold, but thats less elegant |
| 06:54.14 | mercan | ah I didn't notice such pinning |
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| 06:54.42 | mercan | then when I want a newer version rather than the newly released one, I will unpin my version and upgrade |
| 06:54.48 | mercan | ah sorry |
| 06:54.55 | mercan | rather than the patched one I mean |
| 06:55.25 | sbrothy | gmorn i psykoer |
| 06:55.38 | dark | oh, i have something to ask: can I have multiple testing repositories, with the same packages? (will aptitude install from them in parallel?) |
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| 07:01.56 | mercan | I read about pinning and I thing thats what I want |
| 07:02.02 | mercan | valdyn, dark, thank you very much |
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| 07:03.48 | mercan | actually, one last thing: I've been using aptitude all the time. Would I mess up anything if I suddenly start using apt-get? |
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| 07:08.43 | DogBoy | no mercan |
| 07:08.53 | karlpinc | !tell mercan about why aptitude |
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| 07:09.29 | valdyn | mercan: yes |
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| 07:12.05 | mercan | so ok it is safer to keep using aptitude |
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| 07:13.11 | valdyn | mercan: yes |
| 07:13.35 | valdyn | mercan: those 2 questions deserve a pretty long answer, but im lazy, read the why aptitude factoid. |
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| 07:13.49 | dark | !tell dark about why aptitude |
| 07:14.31 | dark | i heard that at least a time ago, if you used aptitude a bit and then switched to apt-get, weird bugs appeared |
| 07:14.43 | dark | such as apt-get dropping packages in a wild way |
| 07:14.57 | dark | it seems to be fixed (but i still don't mix them) |
| 07:15.03 | valdyn | its not bugs |
| 07:15.07 | valdyn | its working as intended |
| 07:15.14 | dark | hm lol |
| 07:15.21 | dark | so this still happens? |
| 07:15.22 | valdyn | and the reason why you don't mix usage of both |
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| 07:16.15 | valdyn | dark: in lenny for sure, I don't know about later as i dont know how apt-get later treats the auto flag |
| 07:17.38 | dark | so the auto flag is meant to be a aptitude thing? |
| 07:18.07 | valdyn | dark: aptitude just had it first, now ( after lenny ) apt-get has it too |
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| 07:19.28 | valdyn | hold is also different in both iirc |
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| 07:21.01 | niklaswe | hmm any ide about this, when i taking my laptop out from sleeping mode, my screen is black, and i must reboot it if i will work with it again.. |
| 07:21.08 | Obligatory | Why does modprobe say "FATAL: Module nouveau not found."? Where's it' looking, the file exists. |
| 07:21.24 | valdyn | Obligatory: where does it exist? |
| 07:21.50 | Obligatory | valdyn: it's here: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko |
| 07:21.52 | wols | niklaswe: in X and pure console both? |
| 07:22.02 | valdyn | niklaswe: some laptops need to use quirks to work around this issue |
| 07:22.21 | niklaswe | wols: both |
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| 07:22.37 | valdyn | Obligatory: run depmod -a and try again |
| 07:23.29 | valdyn | niklaswe: is your pure console using std vga text mode or some frame buffer / higher resolution mode? |
| 07:23.47 | niklaswe | wols: valdyn itś an lenevo w500 |
| 07:23.56 | valdyn | niklaswe: have you tried the quirks supported by pm-suspend ? |
| 07:23.57 | Obligatory | valdyn, ran 'depmod -a', same result 'FATAL: Module nouveau not found.' |
| 07:24.06 | niklaswe | valdyn: itś using frambuffer with vga=791 |
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| 07:24.27 | niklaswe | valdyn: no i havent |
| 07:24.54 | niklaswe | Obligatory: how do you loding your module |
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| 07:25.17 | niklaswe | you should use this modprobe modulename not modprobe modulename.ko |
| 07:25.34 | Obligatory | niklaswe, as root, I run 'modprobe nouveau' |
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| 07:25.56 | RainbowW | is there a way to echo the time and date of the last reboot, eg, to dump into /etc/issue.net on boot? |
| 07:26.06 | Obligatory | But it's not loading 'nouveau' |
| 07:26.15 | valdyn | Obligatory: try "modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko" |
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| 07:26.57 | Obligatory | valdyn, did that I get 29 lines of info. |
| 07:27.03 | randomuser | so, i have an ext4 volume, and I can't mount it. How can i get ext4 support? |
| 07:27.08 | valdyn | Obligatory: paste on a paste site |
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| 07:27.19 | valdyn | Obligatory: paste the output of "uname -r" here |
| 07:27.36 | valdyn | randomuser: get a more recent kernel from backports.org |
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| 07:28.17 | namanb1 | 2.6.32-22-generic |
| 07:28.35 | valdyn | namanb1: name change? |
| 07:28.54 | valdyn | namanb1: thats not a debian kernel and its sure not the same as 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 07:29.18 | Obligatory | valdyn, Egad! 2.6.32-3-686! That explains it... wonder why my kernel isn't updated to 32-5, I've got the 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-686' package installed. Hmm. |
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| 07:29.38 | valdyn | Obligatory: thats not an upgrade, thats *different* kernels |
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| 07:29.48 | valdyn | Obligatory: so they exist in parallel |
| 07:29.59 | vallhalla | hallo and a good * to all |
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| 07:30.57 | Obligatory | valdyn, thanks! Is there a Debian way to set 2.6.32-5-686 as the one to use? |
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| 07:31.20 | wols | just use this kernel to boot |
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| 07:32.51 | xoz | Obligatory: make sure your grub menu.lst list it in the top entry |
| 07:33.02 | wols | Obligatory: please pastebin the out put of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 07:33.12 | Obligatory | wols, I suppose I could just change the symlinks in '/', but I was assuming there was some more package centric method? |
| 07:33.13 | wols | xoz: that doesn't matter, at all |
| 07:33.38 | Obligatory | wols, gimme a sec on the pastebin... |
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| 07:33.43 | wols | Obligatory: / symlinks are irrelevant in debian. please pastebin the above command |
| 07:34.05 | randomuser | valdyn: thanks |
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| 07:35.13 | RainbowW | is there a way to echo the time and date of the last reboot, eg, to dump into /etc/issue.net on boot? or, alternative, capture current date and time at boot, to dump into issue.net? |
| 07:35.16 | Obligatory | wols, http://www.pastebin.org/263699 |
| 07:35.42 | dark | RainbowW, maybe you could do something like date > /var/last_reboot on your shutdown scripts |
| 07:35.53 | wols | Obligatory: the "*" at the end there is not for show. it's important |
| 07:36.09 | dark | RainbowW, but this will not help if the reboot was forced (say, by unplugging the power and plugging again) |
| 07:36.27 | RainbowW | dark: ah aye ty. but not on shutdown scripts, i need it on startup, yeah, for spontaneous reboots |
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| 07:36.39 | wols | RainbowW: man uptime |
| 07:37.01 | dark | RainbowW, no, i mean, *write* on shutdown, so that you can check later on startup |
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| 07:37.13 | Obligatory | wols, my typo, sorry. http://www.pastebin.org/263701 |
| 07:37.21 | dark | ah, if the reboot is instantaneous, uptime helps |
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| 07:37.58 | RainbowW | i think something like date >> /etc/issue.net will be sufficient for what i need |
| 07:38.04 | dark | i was thinking about a box that you shutdown.. waits for hours.. start up and want to see when it.. ok, he didn't said 'shutdown' but 'reboot' |
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| 07:38.22 | dark | i think checking uptime might be sufficient, yes |
| 07:38.32 | wols | Obligatory: interesting output :) either choose your -5- kernel on boot up or make it the default in your menu.lst |
| 07:38.44 | xoz | wols: told you |
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| 07:39.14 | wols | xoz: and I told you that what is on top in the list doesn't matter |
| 07:39.20 | wols | xoz: it never ever did |
| 07:39.39 | xoz | wols: make it default... that's the implication |
| 07:40.06 | Obligatory | wols, thanks for looking. I'm not sure I know the right way to choose the -5- kernel; e.g. symlinks, grub, some package command... |
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| 07:40.35 | dark | i think it's editing that file |
| 07:40.38 | wols | Obligatory: what does your grub menu.lst display? |
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| 07:40.52 | zfra | wols: I checked the lsmod in the kernel < 2.6.26..., the only difference that I found relevant is the freq_table, there's in the kernel 26 but isn't in the kernel 2.6.32, and can't figure out how to load the module |
| 07:40.53 | xoz | Obligatory: /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 07:40.55 | valdyn | Obligatory: default= is there for a purpose |
| 07:41.25 | valdyn | Obligatory: or its default 0 |
| 07:41.50 | valdyn | even documented in the menu.lst |
| 07:41.58 | Obligatory | xoz, no such file as '/boot/grub/menu.list' -- but I'm using grub2, ('grup-pc' package) |
| 07:42.16 | valdyn | Obligatory: which distro is this anyway? |
| 07:42.20 | xoz | Obligatory: ah, /etc/grub? or somthing like that |
| 07:42.38 | Obligatory | valdyn, Debian unstable. |
| 07:42.45 | wols | xoz: editing grub.cfg directly is another very bad idea |
| 07:42.55 | valdyn | Obligatory: unstable has no -generic kernel |
| 07:42.57 | xoz | prefers top listing. it is more explicit |
| 07:43.17 | xoz | wols: what is good idea then? |
| 07:43.28 | valdyn | Obligatory: its /etc/default/grub, GRUB_DEFAULT |
| 07:43.29 | xoz | wols: make it straightforwar |
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| 07:44.41 | RainbowW | does /etc/rc.local still run? or is that a leftover that's been removed from the startup system these days? (in stable) |
| 07:44.48 | dark | RainbowW, yes |
| 07:44.49 | valdyn | RainbowW: runs |
| 07:44.53 | RainbowW | as root? |
| 07:44.54 | Obligatory | valdyn, 'GRUB_DEFAULT=0' -- to the best of my knowledge this is unstable. Hmm. |
| 07:45.03 | wols | RainbowW: all sysvinit scripts run as root |
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| 07:45.12 | RainbowW | yay. okay ty. |
| 07:46.08 | xoz | RainbowW's problem is wrong choice of kernel on boot.... how difficult is that? tsk.... |
| 07:46.18 | RainbowW | xoz: uh. eh? |
| 07:46.27 | xoz | RainbowW: just kidding |
| 07:46.46 | valdyn | xoz: wrong target |
| 07:47.03 | xoz | valdyn: :) |
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| 07:48.00 | RainbowW | i've got stuff listed in fstab. every time i screw up secondary partitions in fstab and then reboot, the system halts. is there a way (or a howto?) to get the boot to continue and simply ignore the problem, rather than halt for manual intervention? |
| 07:48.03 | valdyn | Obligatory: just reboot to the correct kernel and remove the wrong kernel once that worked |
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| 07:48.29 | valdyn | RainbowW: press ctrl-d when it asks for intervention? |
| 07:48.49 | RainbowW | valdyn: hosted box, no console access. |
| 07:48.52 | xoz | RainbowW: does halts because it checks the filesytem? |
| 07:49.00 | Obligatory | valdyn, OK, will try! Thanks for the tip. I'll be back... |
| 07:49.03 | valdyn | it halts because it fails to mount |
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| 07:49.16 | valdyn | but it doesnt "halt", it just goes to rescue mode |
| 07:49.24 | xoz | i see |
| 07:49.42 | RainbowW | yes i understand why it stops. i want it to not do so -- i want it to ignore the error and continue booting without doing the mount. |
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| 07:50.51 | RainbowW | that way i don't have to deal with a 24 hour turn-around for my provider to bring my box back online |
| 07:51.00 | xoz | RainbowW: there is an option in mount to continue even with error.... man mount |
| 07:51.17 | xoz | in the option for mount command |
| 07:51.49 | xoz | errors=continue is the option i think |
| 07:52.11 | valdyn | or for fstab |
| 07:52.26 | xoz | yeah, place in fstab, option column |
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| 07:52.35 | RainbowW | ah okay, yes, thank you. |
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| 07:53.31 | RainbowW | bringing a new box online is *SUCH* a pain. all the little details. :( |
| 07:53.49 | xoz | is signing off.... |
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| 07:55.42 | lk | Does kernel v. 2.6.33.4 compile okay with lenny's make-kpkg? Or for that matter, does 2.6.32.13? (I know the earlier 2.6.32 releases used to, but that was last year.) |
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| 07:59.24 | chaoyi | I used 'initrd' to load the root fs image. grub recognized the image, however, modules are not loaded by the kernel, what could be wrong? Grub is 1.98, kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64. |
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| 08:01.19 | Bop | chaoyi, error is ? |
| 08:01.32 | chaoyi | kernel panic, no vfs found |
| 08:02.02 | chaoyi | i could boot with modules compiled into the kernel |
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| 08:04.15 | nsadmin | no vfs found? |
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| 08:04.32 | nsadmin | how did you build the kernel exactly |
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| 08:04.48 | chaoyi | compiled ext3, ahci into the kernel |
| 08:04.53 | HollyRain | hi! does anybody is using btrfs? how is going on? |
| 08:05.02 | nsadmin | did you use make-kpkg? |
| 08:05.29 | chaoyi | yes, but the stock kernel from debian doesn't boot. btw, i am using macbook pro |
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| 08:05.50 | nsadmin | ok, did you pass --initrd to make-kpkg? |
| 08:05.55 | chaoyi | yes, i did |
| 08:05.55 | lk | HollyRain, I'm waiting for people to stop losing all their data on it. |
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| 08:06.18 | nsadmin | and then you installed the resulting kernel .deb on the machine? |
| 08:06.22 | HollyRain | lk: jaja :) ok, thanks |
| 08:06.38 | chaoyi | yes |
| 08:07.03 | nsadmin | and the kernel image showed up in your /boot? |
| 08:07.31 | chaoyi | nsadmin: yes, my own kernel will boot, with some modules compiled into the kernel |
| 08:07.53 | chaoyi | nsadmin: initrd is not used at all |
| 08:07.56 | nsadmin | so I'm not quite clear on the problem |
| 08:08.09 | Obligatory | Back again. Booted successfully into the 2.6.32-5-686 kernel. 'nouveau' is loaded and running. Also discovered the command needed to get grub2 to discover the new kernel is: was 'update-grub' |
| 08:08.30 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i am trying to put some modules like ext3 into the initrd image |
| 08:08.35 | Bop | Obligatory, oh thanks ! that's valueable information ! |
| 08:08.45 | nsadmin | of which kernel? |
| 08:08.56 | wols | Obligatory: installing should run that command by default. check your /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 08:09.14 | nsadmin | oh, this is the stock kernel? |
| 08:09.41 | wols | chaoyi: any special reason why you want them in the initrd on a custom compiled kernel? |
| 08:09.43 | chaoyi | nsadmin: if i don't compiled the modules into the kernel, it will not be loaded |
| 08:10.04 | chaoyi | wols: because i wonder why it is not loaded automatically, for my own machine |
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| 08:10.31 | nsadmin | you gotta answer my questions if I'm to have any chance of following this |
| 08:10.47 | chaoyi | wols: debian's kernel works on my other machines, but not my macbook pro. sorry for my bad english |
| 08:11.02 | nsadmin | the question is, which kernel are you trying to modify |
| 08:11.03 | Obligatory | wols, thanks for the tip. My '/etc/kernel-img.conf' is only 3 lines, one of which is a comment. We have: do_symlinks = Yes \n do_initrd = Yes |
| 08:11.17 | wols | !tell chaoyi about deosn't work |
| 08:11.49 | nsadmin | your english is just fine; I understand you perfectly |
| 08:12.06 | Obligatory | hey there's a man page, I"ll check it ... kernel-img.conf (5) |
| 08:12.13 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i am trying to make debian's kernel work on my system |
| 08:12.25 | Bop | chaoyi, can u have grub as boot loader ? |
| 08:12.29 | nsadmin | ok, how exactly was that kernel installed? |
| 08:12.30 | Bop | in mac pro ? |
| 08:12.43 | chaoyi | Bop: yes, i have grub-efi-amd64 |
| 08:12.54 | Bop | amd64 ? why ? |
| 08:13.00 | nsadmin | oh right, it's a core 2 duo |
| 08:13.00 | chaoyi | nsadmin: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:13.02 | wols | Bop: cause it's a amd cpu |
| 08:13.13 | Bop | mac pro is intel , not amd |
| 08:13.21 | nsadmin | or a core2duo |
| 08:13.22 | wols | chaoyi: what is in your /etc/kernel-img.conf ? is the initrd built when installing? |
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| 08:13.29 | nsadmin | which is the same |
| 08:13.31 | wols | !tell Bop about amd64 |
| 08:13.37 | chaoyi | yes, it is built, i have 'initrd' line in grub |
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| 08:13.52 | nsadmin | chaoyi: and you ran this on the macbook pro? |
| 08:13.57 | chaoyi | and grub said it is loaded |
| 08:14.13 | wols | chaoyi: when installing, a kernel was installed. did this kernel run properly? |
| 08:14.23 | wols | when installing debian lenny that is |
| 08:14.42 | chaoyi | wols: no. i have compile some modules into the kernel. the problem is initrd image is not used at all |
| 08:14.54 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 08:14.57 | zfra | wols: problem (half) solved. I modprobed p4-clockmod, then cpufreq-selector -g powersave, that changed the governor scaling. But now changing to 'ondemand' is the issue. |
| 08:15.00 | lk | chaoyi, then it's not configured in the kernel config. |
| 08:15.03 | Obligatory | wols, 'man kernel-img.conf' isn't too complex, but all the appropriate looking options say DEPRECATED. |
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| 08:15.24 | nsadmin | does the initrd exist? |
| 08:15.36 | chaoyi | nsadmin: yes, and grub says it is loaded |
| 08:16.11 | wols | zfra: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 08:16.19 | nsadmin | hmm it seems like you did everything right... it must be some config somewhere |
| 08:16.31 | nsadmin | maybe we can mount your initrd and see what's in it |
| 08:16.33 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i could compile a few modules so the rest could be loaded my the ext3 partition |
| 08:16.47 | nsadmin | shouldn't be necessary |
| 08:17.10 | nsadmin | *: is initramfs mountable? |
| 08:17.15 | chaoyi | i did just that, and i can see the modules inside |
| 08:17.24 | chaoyi | nsadmin: it's a cpio archive |
| 08:17.26 | nsadmin | oh you did |
| 08:17.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 08:17.40 | RainbowW | bah. i hate having to find machine names. |
| 08:17.43 | chaoyi | nsadmin: the strange thing is the stock kernel from debian doesn't work for me |
| 08:17.57 | wols | Obligatory: the options are still there and still honored |
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| 08:18.15 | nsadmin | I wonder what your initrd options are |
| 08:18.21 | nsadmin | and where they are |
| 08:18.34 | nsadmin | do you have any /etc/initrd*? |
| 08:19.05 | chaoyi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.06 | nsadmin | wait, I know I have that wrong, don't bother with that |
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| 08:19.40 | nsadmin | and when you boot it it shoudl be like the first or second line |
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| 08:20.07 | nsadmin | chaoyi: so if you have the archive mounted, can you confirm ext3 support is missing? |
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| 08:20.47 | chaoyi | right. when I unpack the image, i have ext3 modules inside |
| 08:21.00 | nsadmin | so it's actually not missing |
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| 08:22.03 | nsadmin | but according to your results, the initrd is never even touched at boot? |
| 08:22.04 | chaoyi | but it's not found by the kernel |
| 08:22.10 | Obligatory | wols, added "postinst_hook = update-grub", that might do it... |
| 08:22.11 | zfra | wols: trying 'ondemand' or 'conservative', even if the modules are loaded, returns the scaling_governor to 'performance'. |
| 08:22.45 | nsadmin | I can't find a thing wrong, you're doing everything right, and the archive looks fine... |
| 08:23.01 | nsadmin | what would be helpful tho, is the exact text of the error message... |
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| 08:23.26 | nsadmin | "vfs not found" isn't making sense unless the whole disk subsystem isn't present |
| 08:23.29 | chaoyi | i guess it's macbook pro specific, i have a snapshot from my camera |
| 08:23.48 | nsadmin | can you upload it? |
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| 08:24.01 | nsadmin | are you ircing from it now? |
| 08:24.12 | chaoyi | nsadmin: wait a min. yes, because disk controller module is supposed to be loaded from initrd image |
| 08:24.40 | nsadmin | so maybe it's that |
| 08:25.13 | nsadmin | if you used make-kpkg and you also have a debian kernel you have both config files in /boot |
| 08:25.42 | Obligatory | thanks guys, g'nite... |
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| 08:26.00 | chaoyi | nsadmin: yes, i have config-* file |
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| 08:27.36 | nsadmin | you can do some comparison on them |
| 08:27.55 | nsadmin | it won't be easy but it will be possible |
| 08:28.56 | chaoyi | when i compile my own 2.6.34 kernel, i copied .config from debian's kernel, compiled some modules so my root partition could be found, then my macbook pro boots fine. |
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| 08:33.04 | chaoyi | nsadmin: the screenshot http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=unomiz1mmkb |
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| 08:36.46 | wols | chaoyi: a tainted debian kernel? |
| 08:36.49 | nsadmin | chaoyi, when you compiled your kernel what driver did you use for the disk controller? |
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| 08:37.10 | bintut | waves |
| 08:37.12 | bintut | i need your advice. if my physical server machine is an amd64/x86_64 architecture and will be running debian lenny amd64 on dom0, what can you recommend for the gnu/linux distros architectures on the domUs? 32bit or 64bit OS? please advice. thank you in advance. |
| 08:37.20 | chaoyi | the modules should be pulled in by a hotplug agent, based an the computer's detected hardware. probably it's because macbook pro doesn't have a bios? |
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| 08:37.44 | nsadmin | that's not how it works |
| 08:37.44 | bintut | i'm talking about xen here by the way |
| 08:38.07 | nsadmin | chaoyi: the initrd is created at the time the .deb of the kernel is installed |
| 08:38.08 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i don't remember exactly, ahci, ata, ext3 |
| 08:38.29 | nsadmin | if you don't remember exactly, then it must not have been special |
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| 08:38.41 | lk | bintut, I don't know that you can run 64-bit without having hardware virtualization... at least it didn't work when I was using virtualbox =/ |
| 08:38.42 | wols | chaoyi: if you have a (debian) initrd and it doesn't get used, the problem is your bootloader not loading it most likely |
| 08:38.46 | chaoyi | nsadmin: when i used debootstrap, the deb should have a initrd which contains everything |
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| 08:39.00 | nsadmin | wols: yeah that seems likely |
| 08:39.08 | lk | bintut, 64-bit guest, I mean. Obviously the host is 64-bit. |
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| 08:39.18 | wols | so all your kernel debugging stuff is not gonna help |
| 08:39.22 | nsadmin | wait you used debootstrap? |
| 08:39.32 | wols | chaoyi: follow the debian wiki for a bootloader and be happy |
| 08:39.58 | nsadmin | ok, here's what you should do... you're running the debian on your kernel now, yes? |
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| 08:40.01 | chaoyi | wols: it appears in my grub's config, and i also typed it in grub's command line too |
| 08:40.15 | wols | chaoyi: and? what does this matter? |
| 08:40.27 | wols | chaoyi: you run BETA software |
| 08:41.00 | nsadmin | meaning it's beta than nuthin? |
| 08:41.17 | bintut | lk: i actually have setup once for a friend and it's been running until now.. but i'm not sure how optimize and resource hungry.. now that i'm going to setup a new one for work after 3 years + since i last setup for my friend, i'm not sure if i need to use 64bit or 32bit for domUs or guests |
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| 08:41.34 | wols | nsadmin: means it has bugs. possibly nasty ones |
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| 08:41.52 | nsadmin | you mean the kernel he built? |
| 08:41.54 | wols | nsadmin: and considering there are various methods to boot debian reliably on macbooks... |
| 08:42.01 | wols | no I mean his bootloader |
| 08:42.10 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 08:42.53 | nsadmin | that would be one thing that would explain it all |
| 08:43.07 | chaoyi | wols: i read some article about bootloader, grub has two stages, there is a preliminary stage before grub done by bios/firmware, am i get it correctly? |
| 08:43.34 | nsadmin | there's a lot of possibilities |
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| 08:44.17 | wols | chaoyi: you don't make much sense. try to state it again in different words |
| 08:45.20 | wols | !tell chaoyi about macbookpro |
| 08:45.30 | nsadmin | wols it might be helpful to let him know what it is exactly you aren't understanding |
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| 08:46.28 | wols | preliminary stage doing WHAT? certainly nothing at all whatsoever with linux |
| 08:46.39 | chaoyi | wols: sorry. kernel doesn't know the existance of initramfs image, which is loaded by grub, according to its display |
| 08:47.00 | wols | a BIOS and EFI initlalize the PC to a basic state and load a OS or a bootloader. that's all they do and all they need to do |
| 08:47.11 | wols | chaoyi: compiters LIE |
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| 08:47.34 | chaoyi | wols: yes, i have seen modern os doesn't use bios service, however, my two thinkpads work well for me, so i am not sure what's wrong |
| 08:47.35 | wols | and what display tells you anything exactly? |
| 08:47.57 | wols | chaoyi: why do you insist on grub2? |
| 08:48.22 | wols | heck, why insist on testing or sid if it clearly doesn't work for you? |
| 08:48.52 | chaoyi | wols: grub2 supports efi i guess? i have a lot of hardwares supported only by newest kernel |
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| 08:49.28 | wols | you prove consistently for several hours now that grub in fact doesn't work |
| 08:49.40 | chaoyi | wols: a kernel with some modules compiled in works perfectly for me, i just want to find out what's wrong |
| 08:49.51 | wols | and what hardware happens to only be supported by newest kernel (which debian doesn't have anywhere afaik, not even sid |
| 08:50.15 | nsadmin | what kernel version is this again? |
| 08:50.18 | Bop | echo 'install rt2870sta modprobe --ignore-install rt2870sta ; /bin/echo "1737 0078" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rt2870/new_id' | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/rt2870sta.conf |
| 08:50.28 | wols | chaoyi: if you want to ignore what I told you several times now. feel free. I won't repeat myself for you forever. have a nice day |
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| 08:50.39 | Bop | can anyone explain why i need to load this comands in order to modprobe rl2870sta ? |
| 08:51.50 | chaoyi | wols: thank you for your time. i hope probably other newbies like me could use stock kernel directly without compiling it |
| 08:51.51 | nsadmin | Bop: it has something to do with modules |
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| 08:52.19 | wols | cause the usb id your hardware tells you is bogus/not supported by the 2870 driver |
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| 08:53.05 | Bop | hmm , i didnt check with lsusb |
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| 08:58.04 | nsadmin | chaoyi: I dunno why the kernel is failing either... at the moment there are too many possibilities that it could be given we don't know if grub is actually working or not... |
| 08:58.41 | chaoyi | nsadmin: wols are right, i guessed grub-efi-amd64 doesn't load initrd image too, although it said so |
| 08:58.49 | nsadmin | but so you know, hardware detection =does not happen= at boot for the purpose of booting a kernel |
| 08:59.03 | nsadmin | it happens =when the kernel is installed= |
| 08:59.18 | chaoyi | nsadmin: probably the hardware is detected, but modules are no where to be loaded because initrd image is not loaded |
| 08:59.49 | nsadmin | no, that's NOT how grub and initrd works. |
| 08:59.51 | sdk_lnx | Hi, i installed debian with samba pdc, i could join a winxp in the domain, but i can't login from winxp to the domain, i get the domain is not available, can someone help troubleshooting ? |
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| 09:00.17 | nsadmin | the initrd is set up to do the same thing every time, NOT detect hardware |
| 09:00.23 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i suppose one of grub's functions is to load initramfs into the memory? |
| 09:00.33 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:00.44 | nsadmin | if it doesn't do that, something's wrong |
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| 09:02.22 | nsadmin | when you were running the debootstrap, what were the conditions? |
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| 09:03.14 | chaoyi | from a chrooted environment |
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| 09:04.40 | chaoyi | nsadmin: sorry, not a chrooted environment, i don't remember exactly |
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| 09:05.27 | lindi- | MrWax: what has hosts file to do with ports? |
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| 09:05.55 | Bop | and what windows have to do with debian |
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| 09:07.01 | chaoyi | nsadmin: initrd is an archive of a list of modules, debootstrap will install a big archive. apt-get install will give an option to choose from everything/just for my box. |
| 09:07.53 | nsadmin | the initrd archive is built while installing the .deb package. |
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| 09:08.33 | nsadmin | the detection of how root is to be mounted happens while installing the .deb package, and informs the process of building the initrd |
| 09:09.45 | nsadmin | but all this is moot if the boot loader fails to load the initrd |
| 09:13.28 | chaoyi | nsadmin: thanks. i remembered how i installed my system: i debootstrap into a partition, boot from another kernel, chrooted, and apt-get install linux-image |
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| 09:13.57 | Bop | chaoyi, can u load osx from grub too ? |
| 09:14.01 | nsadmin | can you get in without chroot with your dompiled kernel? |
| 09:14.15 | chaoyi | Bop: i don't know how. |
| 09:14.36 | Bop | oh , u dont have osx no more then , ok |
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| 09:14.58 | Bop | chaoyi, i know there's a bootloader , bootcamp , did u tryed it ? |
| 09:15.05 | nsadmin | chaoyi: that is another thing that could explain why the kernel is not booting properly |
| 09:15.05 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i have osx. grub can be chainloaded from refit/or directly |
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| 09:15.34 | nsadmin | are you running the debian on the macbook now? |
| 09:15.37 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i am not sure about "get in without chroot" |
| 09:15.51 | chaoyi | nsadmin: yes, with my own compiled kernel |
| 09:16.03 | nsadmin | ok, is it running that way now? |
| 09:16.12 | chaoyi | nsadmin: yes, it is running godd |
| 09:16.30 | nsadmin | ok, find the .deb of the stock kernel |
| 09:16.42 | nsadmin | it should be in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 09:17.10 | chaoyi | yes, the stock kernel doesn't work for me. so likely initrd image is not loaded |
| 09:17.11 | nsadmin | and install it again |
| 09:17.26 | frooh | hey guys, I am following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller and for some reason when I try to zcat to my usb key it doesn't work |
| 09:17.27 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i did several times, with different versions from debian |
| 09:17.34 | frooh | it says no medium found |
| 09:17.36 | frooh | any ideas? |
| 09:17.57 | nsadmin | you said you installed it while you were chrooting |
| 09:18.11 | nsadmin | you are not chrooting now, or are you? |
| 09:18.51 | chaoyi | nsadmin: and i have tried installed it while booting from my compiled kernel |
| 09:19.22 | nsadmin | the last time you installed it? |
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| 09:20.12 | nsadmin | this is important because EVERY TIME you install a kernel image prepared with --initrd, it makes an initramfs when you install the kernel |
| 09:21.07 | nsadmin | but you're basically saying it never works, which makes me wonder if wols is right after all |
| 09:21.42 | nsadmin | when he says that the boot loader you are using might not load the initrd ever |
| 09:21.43 | chaoyi | i guess wols is right. I have installed several times booted from my compiled kernel. |
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| 09:22.18 | nsadmin | if wols is right, maybe you could try other boot loaders |
| 09:22.32 | nsadmin | or be happy with the kernel you have built |
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| 09:23.39 | nsadmin | anyway... I'm wandering to bubble lounge maybe :) |
| 09:23.52 | chaoyi | i am happy with the kernel i have built. i guess it's the problem of grub2 but not sure about it. i want to make sure it is not my fault that i did something wrong. |
| 09:24.20 | chaoyi | nsadmin: thank you for your help, and have a good night. |
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| 09:24.36 | nsadmin | one way to determine that is by trying different boot loaders |
| 09:24.51 | chaoyi | what options do i have? |
| 09:25.07 | nsadmin | there was a wiki wols mentioned, I forget :) |
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| 09:26.01 | chaoyi | i'll dig into it later. thank you nsadmin |
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| 09:28.27 | action09 | oy |
| 09:30.17 | nsadmin | welcome, good luck... |
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| 09:31.09 | chaoyi | see you. i hope i could find a bug in grub2 |
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| 09:31.12 | frooh | I need some binary files so that the nework will work with my laptop during install, rtl8168d-1.fw, does anyone have any idea where I can find it? |
| 09:31.24 | frooh | I searched google and just found a bunch of deb bug reports |
| 09:31.35 | nsadmin | <wols> chaoyi: follow the debian wiki for a bootloader and be happy |
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| 09:35.11 | chaoyi | nsadmin: i don't know why but i used to be able to boot from a debian-installer cd but not anymore, grub-pc also gives me a blackscreen too. elilo, i haven't tried yet. thank you nsadmin & wols. i must leave now. |
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| 09:36.18 | g00se | I was curious as to why /tmp wasn't getting cleared on reboot, so i looked and saw the following. Does it look familiar to anyone? http://paste.ubuntu.com/437762/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/437760/ |
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| 09:38.06 | nsadmin | chaoyi: ok, again, good luck |
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| 09:49.50 | lk | g00se, you can run an @reboot cron to rm -rf /tmp/* is you really need /tmp emptied? |
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| 09:51.11 | g00se | lk: Mmm. I'm just wondering what has taken it upon itself to rearrange my mounts? |
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| 09:52.30 | ham5 | explaine 'rearrange my mounts' |
| 09:52.37 | lk | g00se, Is that a copy of your fstab or something? Re-arranging shouldn't really matter for _most_ of your mount points anyway. |
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| 09:56.03 | g00se | lk: That was the output of mount |
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| 09:57.56 | lk | g00se, it should matter, really. |
| 09:58.25 | lk | *shouldn't |
| 09:59.00 | g00se | The odd thing is that a grep for that directory in the init scripts seems to be revealing some quite low level stuff, e.g. portmap etc |
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| 10:02.04 | g00se | worries that this could have been caused by installing hplip stuff in a non-system way |
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| 10:09.28 | HollyRain | my partition /var is not enoght for an upgrade? how could I join it together to another part. as /tmp? |
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| 10:14.27 | wols | HollyRain: mount /var/cache/apt/archives/ to some other partition/file |
| 10:14.43 | wols | another way is to delete some (old) logfiles to make space temporarily, etc |
| 10:15.08 | HollyRain | I tried to make space but it has not been enought |
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| 10:23.10 | HollyRain | wols: thanks! I did mount --bind /var/cache/apt/archives/ /tmp/cache/ |
| 10:24.23 | wols | cries out in pain |
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| 10:24.30 | lk | rofl... |
| 10:24.55 | lk | HollyRain, if you're running ext3 and/or LVM, look into resizing partitions if necessary. |
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| 10:25.09 | HollyRain | it doesn't works because it checks the space in /var |
| 10:25.17 | HollyRain | *the free space |
| 10:25.36 | frikinz | Is it possible to shrink an ext4 fs while being mounted? |
| 10:26.03 | wols | you cannot shrink any mounted filesystem |
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| 10:26.26 | frikinz | ok.. thanks wols |
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| 10:30.34 | osfd_Phone | pop |
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| 10:37.57 | arezey | guys, i need some help >.< i upgraded from lenny to squeeze but opengl got blown up in the process |
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| 10:39.00 | arezey | so my first reaction was to re-install but because of me having a marvell ethernet card (and because i don't know how to transfer ethernet drivers between partitions) i can't install it |
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| 10:41.47 | wols | !kmuto |
| 10:41.47 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 10:42.02 | wols | that should make your marvel NIC work |
| 10:42.19 | wols | as for your opengl: what videocard/chip and what driver? |
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| 10:45.25 | arezey | wols, videocard is ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics] |
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| 10:45.42 | Linex | I got a 2TB drive which I'm going to use in a docking station connected by eSata to my computer. What filesystem should I use on it. Its mostly to store DVDs, ISOs , big files. |
| 10:46.20 | RainbowW | ext3 |
| 10:46.24 | RainbowW | duh |
| 10:46.29 | wols | linux2: when you have to ask this question: ext3 |
| 10:46.30 | Bop | why not NTFS |
| 10:46.40 | arezey | he got killed already |
| 10:46.40 | RainbowW | he got himself killed |
| 10:46.54 | Bop | lol ok |
| 10:47.26 | RainbowW | oh and bop, was your suggestion that he go back to windows? ;-) |
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| 10:47.46 | Bop | no , its all about best compatibility |
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| 10:48.14 | Bop | then he can connect to mac / win / linux , out-of-the-box |
| 10:48.57 | petemc | he cant write to it on the mac out of the box |
| 10:49.36 | Bop | u talking about ext3 ? |
| 10:49.37 | arezey | but thanks wols, i'll try kmuto's disks.. |
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| 10:49.49 | petemc | Bop: no, ntfs |
| 10:49.57 | wols | arezey: what PCI ID does your NIC have? |
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| 10:50.28 | arezey | well it's listed on lspci as 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 4357 (rev 10) |
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| 10:52.11 | lk | arezey, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 10:52.16 | wols | arezey: lspci -nn |
| 10:52.25 | wols | PCI ID is not contained in what you pasted up there |
| 10:52.34 | arezey | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device [11ab:4357] (rev 10) |
| 10:53.04 | wols | ,pciid 11ab:4357 |
| 10:53.06 | judd | [11ab:4357] is 'Unknown device' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4357 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
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| 10:53.24 | wols | arezey: shouldn't be a problem at all with normal debian install cds |
| 10:53.45 | arezey | hmm weird |
| 10:54.00 | arezey | when i try install the installer can't find it. unless... the cd is outdated. |
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| 10:54.33 | wols | if it's a lenny CD it should be fine. but you can try the kmuto installer as dpkg showed you |
| 10:54.53 | Linex | I got a 2TB drive which I'm going to use in a docking station connected by eSata to my computer. What filesystem should I use on it. Its mostly to store DVDs, ISOs , big files. |
| 10:54.54 | arezey | mm |
| 10:54.59 | arezey | heh, k-lined |
| 10:55.10 | lk | Linex, XFS! |
| 10:56.31 | arezey | i guess i'll try make a new cd |
| 10:57.46 | wols | lk: xfs on a external disk. yeah right. happy corruption ! |
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| 10:59.23 | lk | wols, s/he'll survive =P |
| 11:01.46 | lk | Linex, if you intend to move that drive from system to system, you might be forced to use something more "common" since XFS isn't _always_ supported out of the box. |
| 11:02.07 | wols | lk: please look. he's been k-lined |
| 11:02.52 | lk | Oh, wth. Didn't even notice. |
| 11:04.08 | lk | Hey, wols, how badly do you suppose a lenny system would suffer is the default python were replaced with the current 2.6.x? |
| 11:04.49 | wols | pretty much everything python related would probably stop working I guess |
| 11:05.07 | wols | you can sort of fix it with editing menu entries and such... |
| 11:05.15 | wols | but: why do you need python 2.6 exactly? |
| 11:05.17 | arezey | dpkg quit D= |
| 11:05.37 | bzed | lk: you do *not* want to do this. use virtualenv |
| 11:05.43 | lk | wols, 2.6 added a lot of math functionality. Specifically, fractions to complement decimals. |
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| 11:06.11 | lk | bzed, currently I have it "installed" to a folder in my home directory... I did figure it'd break something or other if I swapped the 2.5.2 install. |
| 11:06.33 | arezey | can't it be installed side-by-side with 2.5.2? |
| 11:07.01 | lk | That's sort of what I have now, although the system doesn't see it at all. |
| 11:07.01 | wols | arezey: there is no python2.6 at all in lenny IIRC |
| 11:07.07 | lk | Yeah. |
| 11:07.11 | arezey | ah k |
| 11:07.17 | wols | lk: again: what do you NEED python2.6 for? |
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| 11:07.57 | bzed | lk: use virtualenv. |
| 11:08.10 | lk | 2.6 has a some functionality that 2.5 doesn't. |
| 11:08.30 | lk | Expanded libraries for math-related things, for example. |
| 11:08.33 | wols | you don't need that functionality unless you have a specific need! what is that need? |
| 11:08.46 | lk | Programming puzzles. |
| 11:08.53 | bzed | lk: http://packages.debian.org/source/stable/python-virtualenv |
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| 11:09.22 | bzed | lk: but wols is right, you still don't need python2.6 if you can't specify a need for it. |
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| 11:09.43 | bzed | lk: numpy and friends are available for 2.5 |
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| 11:09.52 | wols | ,versions numpy |
| 11:09.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'numpy' was found. |
| 11:10.00 | lk | Did I not mention fractions? |
| 11:10.17 | bzed | wols: hint: python policy.... |
| 11:10.24 | bzed | ,versions python-numpy |
| 11:10.25 | judd | python-numpy -- etch: 1:1.0.1-1; lenny: 1:1.1.0-3+lenny1; sid: 1:1.3.0-3+b1; squeeze: 1:1.3.0-3+b1 |
| 11:10.30 | wols | doh! |
| 11:11.01 | RainbowW | is there a howto that actually works on getting debian's mrtg to update every minute rather than every 5? |
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| 11:13.09 | lk | bzed, how does numpy help me, exactly? It doesn't do anything I can't already do in 2.5 that I actually have a need for. |
| 11:13.12 | cire | I am searching for a software (html interface?) which is able to track my hours I spend at clients, which can easily create bills for my work, and store them. Do you know such a software? |
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| 11:15.13 | eshat | i just compiled a kernel with make-kpkg but forget to apply a patch, do I have to recompile everything from scratch ? |
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| 11:16.06 | lk | eshat, yes. |
| 11:16.26 | wols | eshat: it won't recompile everything tho. only the stuff you patched and some generic stuff |
| 11:16.35 | wols | e.g. most of your dirvers will stay the way they are |
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| 11:17.22 | RainbowW | should you feel the urge to do a complete recompile, "make clean" and then "make" will force this. however, this isn't necessary. make will detect only what's changed and will recompile only what's necessary. |
| 11:17.24 | bzed | lk: as I said before, if you have a real reason, use virtualenv. |
| 11:17.42 | eshat | wols: so it won't take half an hour, and I do not need to run "make clean", and I can be sure the .deb will replaced with the patched one ? |
| 11:17.53 | wols | eshat: yes |
| 11:17.55 | RainbowW | eshat: yes. |
| 11:17.58 | eshat | wols: great |
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| 11:18.55 | lk | bzed, yeah, I'm looking into that. I think it may not be useful for this 'project,' though, since I've got what functionality I need with my on-the-side install of 2.6.5. |
| 11:19.34 | bzed | lk: jus don't try to replace the default python version. you would create a mess. |
| 11:20.36 | lk | bzed, I worried about that, but I was hoping against hope it wouldn't result in something that catastrophic =) Oh well. |
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| 11:30.41 | RainbowW | can someone please do a 'dig blotts.goldblatt.net' and tell me the answer? |
| 11:31.22 | eshat | RainbowW: blotts.goldblatt.net. 36133 IN A 208.53.170.61 |
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| 11:31.41 | RainbowW | ty |
| 11:31.56 | RainbowW | so wtf is this iframe garbage coming from??? |
| 11:32.16 | dark | ? |
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| 11:32.29 | dark | wget blotts.goldblatt.net -O - | less maybe |
| 11:32.39 | dark | /iframe <ret> |
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| 11:33.24 | RainbowW | must have been chrome gone haywire |
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| 11:34.36 | dark | here it has no iframe (chromium) |
| 11:34.55 | RainbowW | ok. may have bled over from another page. (security hole, yay!) |
| 11:35.02 | RainbowW | ty |
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| 11:37.11 | jmd | How do I find out which device I should use to mount my USB stick ? |
| 11:37.23 | lk | jmd, dmesg | tail |
| 11:37.59 | jmd | dmesg does tell me anything usefull |
| 11:38.56 | abrotman | does or does not? |
| 11:39.05 | jmd | not |
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| 11:39.36 | abrotman | does it even acknowledge that you put something in the computer ? |
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| 11:39.56 | jmd | Yes. But it doesn't tell me the mount point |
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| 11:41.07 | abrotman | jmd: can you put those lines in a pastebin ? |
| 11:41.07 | RainbowW | try 'mount' and see if it's listed ... |
| 11:41.14 | jmd | Hmm. Now I keep seeing "No path for 05dc/a781 at 005/002" what does thaat mmean? |
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| 11:41.41 | jmd | mount mentions nothing about the USB |
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| 11:48.37 | Appetite | mondo is telling me my kernel doesn't have ramdisk support, is this normal? or can i fix it somehow? |
| 11:49.40 | Appetite | and it says It looks as if your kernel lacks ramdisk and initrd support. |
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| 11:52.11 | petemc | Appetite: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 11:53.06 | Appetite | i guess, i just installed debian from the disk |
| 11:53.12 | Appetite | didn't do any kernel modification |
| 11:53.14 | abrotman | Appetite: uname -r ? |
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| 11:53.28 | Appetite | 2.6.32-3-686 abrotman |
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| 11:54.38 | abrotman | though i don't know the kernel config option |
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| 11:58.21 | abrotman | Appetite: AFAICT, it's there |
| 11:58.39 | Appetite | hm, why would mondo be screwing up then? |
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| 11:59.13 | xelister | hi, what is the status of compcache-tools in debian? http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/compcache-tools_0.6.2-1.html |
| 11:59.51 | xelister | this is a new package, not yet in any repository? or..? I would like to download and use it |
| 12:00.44 | abrotman | xelister: you cannot get to the new queue |
| 12:01.12 | xelister | so it will be, after some time, available in experimental debian, and so on right? so it is in REALLY early stage? |
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| 12:01.34 | abrotman | xelister: it was uploaded to unstable from what i can tell .. |
| 12:01.48 | abrotman | it just hasn't been approved yet |
| 12:03.13 | xelister | there is no way for me to download this .deb ? because I would like to try this tool out, and perhaps package an Ubuntu package based on this work (in private PPA) so probably better to base on someone's existing work |
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| 12:09.15 | Linex | In what situation would I want to specify mkfs.ext4 -b 4096 ? In what situation would I want a 4K block filesystem ? |
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| 12:09.58 | dark | Linex, maybe too much small files? |
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| 12:10.56 | aburch | xelister: Sometimes maintainers have the package in a VCS. Finding it is left as an execrise to the reader ;) |
| 12:11.19 | Linex | dark: actually I am oging to put very big file on this drive/partition. 4gigs and above. |
| 12:11.29 | Linex | dark: actually I am oging to put very big file on this drive/partition. 4gigs files and above. |
| 12:11.32 | dark | Linex, on /etc/mke2fs.conf, that holds the defaults, a block of 4k is used as default. actually, on a "small" filesystem, one would use a 1k block, to save even more space |
| 12:11.34 | dark | hmm |
| 12:11.42 | dark | Linex, use the "largefile" setup |
| 12:11.52 | dark | it puts blocksize to -1 (whatever this means) |
| 12:12.20 | Linex | dark : where are you reading this ? |
| 12:12.29 | dark | it's -T largefile. but there is also a largefile4 that i don't quite understand |
| 12:12.42 | dark | Linex, less /etc/mke2fs.conf, man mke2fs |
| 12:12.54 | Linex | dark: thanks |
| 12:13.01 | dark | you should really read some doc or tutorial, i currently am using ext4 regular filesystems |
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| 12:13.17 | dark | (in fact, you could be using it if your care about performance) |
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| 12:14.10 | Linex | dark: ok. thanks. usually I go with the default. But now I;m a little more savvy. ... after more than 10 years on linux. |
| 12:14.30 | Linex | wanna tweak it right |
| 12:14.32 | RainbowW | is there a howto somewhere that's actually in english for how to set up rrdtool in debian? |
| 12:14.44 | wols | Linex: you have to ask about a filesystem you use ext3 |
| 12:15.09 | dark | Linex, http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Tuning-the-Linux-file-system-Ext3-746480.html |
| 12:15.11 | Linex | wols: I use ext4 always. |
| 12:15.21 | dark | maybe outdated |
| 12:15.22 | abrotman | RainbowW: there's a package for it .. and it puts docs in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/ |
| 12:15.25 | jarlaxe | hi guys. I'd need a tip about connectig a wifi by CLI: the access point is unsecured, i have the essid and mac address (by iwlist). But when i try to get the access by iwconfig, it doesnt "catch it". I read and read again the man iwconfig but don't find anyhow |
| 12:15.27 | wols | Linex: what debian version do you use with ext4? |
| 12:15.44 | dark | i would search in ted ts'o blog anyway, http://thunk.org/tytso/blog |
| 12:15.44 | Linex | wols: I'm actually on gentoo. :) |
| 12:15.48 | Appetite | jarlaxe: iwconfig essid ESSID_GOES_HERE |
| 12:15.50 | mythomaniac | i seem to not able able to use the win-keys in terminal programs nor within terminal programs within X (using openbox here)... is there a way to solve this? |
| 12:16.05 | Linex | but its all the same. |
| 12:16.06 | Appetite | jarlaxe: if it IS secured, then iwconfig key KEY_GOES_HERE, but if not, dont worry about that |
| 12:16.15 | Appetite | jarlaxe: then, after the essid line, type "dhclient" |
| 12:16.19 | wols | Linex: please go to #gentoo then. we don't support it here |
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| 12:16.58 | dark | wols, he wasn't asking for support on gentoo |
| 12:17.08 | jarlaxe | Appetite: no worrie for the dhclient and the use of iwconfig. But in this case, the unsecured one don't create the link .... |
| 12:17.15 | dark | just a random linux question, mke2fs doesn't care about your distro |
| 12:17.16 | abrotman | dark: this channel is for Debian support .. not general linux support |
| 12:17.17 | Linex | wols: ok. dont want to argue. But I came in here because my issue is not distro related. |
| 12:17.20 | wols | dark: we support debian, and debian ONLY. if he wants generic linux help, he needs to go to ##linux. not here |
| 12:17.27 | abrotman | Linex: then please use ##linux, have a nice day |
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| 12:17.41 | Linex | ok ok. sorry. thank you. I'm leaving. |
| 12:17.42 | Appetite | jarlaxe: what do you mean it doesn't create a link? |
| 12:17.51 | mythomaniac | i'm using debian testing btw... |
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| 12:18.32 | wm4 | has the Go language toolchain been packaged for Debian yet? |
| 12:18.55 | Appetite | Go or Go! wm4 |
| 12:19.22 | wm4 | whatever Google's language is spelled |
| 12:19.30 | Appetite | tough i dont know of anyone who actually uses Go!, google fail'ly named their language Go, which interferes with the exisitng Go! language -.- |
| 12:19.35 | jarlaxe | Appetite: i do iwconfig essid "this" ap <the correct address>. and after to verify another iwconfig (as usual) but he does not make the connection: the adress is not registered, so dhclient gives nothing after |
| 12:19.37 | dark | (but, do people need to scare him just because he confessed he was currently using gentoo? he wasn't disturbing anyone) |
| 12:19.37 | Appetite | wm4: google's is Go |
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| 12:20.10 | abrotman | dark: then go to ##linux with him |
| 12:20.11 | Appetite | jarlaxe: i dont know why you are using extra arguments to that line, it should just be "iwconfig essid MyNet" |
| 12:20.17 | jelly-home | Appetite: so are any of those in Debian?\ |
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| 12:20.29 | Appetite | jelly-home: any of what? |
| 12:20.34 | jelly-home | languages |
| 12:20.39 | wols | jelly-home: not according to my wholly unscientific study |
| 12:20.58 | jelly-home | wols: what's the point in bringing it up, then! |
| 12:20.59 | Appetite | jelly-home: i know for a fact you can download the Go toolchain from their website and it runs on linux. |
| 12:21.11 | Appetite | as far as it being in the repository, i have no idea jelly-home |
| 12:21.37 | wols | jelly-home: omg googleific! they're so cool! |
| 12:22.34 | jarlaxe | Appetite: yes i do also sometime just iwconfig essid <essid> |
| 12:22.46 | Appetite | jarlaxe: just do that, then try dhclient |
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| 12:22.52 | Appetite | jarlaxe: that is what i do and i dont have issues |
| 12:23.08 | wols | jarlaxe: how do you know it's unsecured? any other access mechanisms like MAC filtering enabled? |
| 12:24.07 | jarlaxe | wols: i read the result of iwlist scan. and anyway it suppose to be my host network. But normally i have no problem to connect by this way |
| 12:24.33 | jarlaxe | (i use a sid 2.6.5.32 with lxde and wicd) |
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| 12:25.25 | Appetite | Is there a way to make a snapshot of the current debian install into a bootable iso? i have tried bootcd, but it wont boot |
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| 12:27.01 | jarlaxe | Appetite: in this case (i use a debian on a SDcard), i had to manually add a bootable flag on it after the copy of the partition OR any install |
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| 12:30.38 | mythomaniac | i'm using debian testing and while using weechat in both tty and in openbox i seem unable get win-keys working, even when i bind funtions to them... anyone know why this is happening? |
| 12:30.52 | jarlaxe | Appetite: with dhclient, i receive only a "no working leases in persistent database - sleeping" statut, and iwconfig still have noregistered the ap. |
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| 12:31.16 | Appetite | jarlaxe: then i can't help any more, i never have problems connecting with it |
| 12:31.41 | jarlaxe | ok. thx anyway. |
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| 12:42.00 | simonrvn | mythomaniac: try mapping them to something with setxkbmap |
| 12:42.05 | RainbowW | when i log in via ssh, i get the copyright notice and disclaimer. where is this file? i had though it was /etc/issue.net, but it isn't ... |
| 12:42.31 | lk | RainbowW, did you check /etc/motd? |
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| 12:42.46 | RainbowW | bingo ty |
| 12:42.49 | wols | !motd |
| 12:42.49 | dpkg | motd is, like, the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems, see motd(5) and motd.tail(5) for further information. |
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| 12:48.08 | mythomaniac | simonrvn: when i use "xmodmap -pm" it states i have them as an available modifiers? |
| 12:49.26 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 12:50.23 | g00se | lk: Thanks for your comments |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | judd: versions xmms2-core |
| 12:53.36 | judd | xmms2-core -- etch: 0.2DrGonzo-4.1; lenny: 0.5DrLecter-2; squeeze: 0.7DrNo-5; sid: 0.7DrNo-7 |
| 12:53.43 | abrotman | some weird names .. |
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| 12:58.42 | g00se | I've returned since i'm still uneasy about the tmpfs mount of /lib/init/rw. This is a grep of this happening in init scripts. Do YOU have it? If not, why not? http://paste.ubuntu.com/437833/ |
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| 12:59.47 | lindi- | g00se: it's for state that should persist after initramfs? |
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| 13:00.40 | g00se | lindi-: Well i don't know. It's mysterious. Not much for definite known about it in the wild by the looks |
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| 13:01.29 | g00se | assumes lindi's tmpfs is mounted on /tmp ... |
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| 13:08.00 | Appetite | Does anyone know how to fix this problem with qemu? http://pastebin.com/m0Zc53vt |
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| 13:08.38 | lindi- | Appetite: what output do you want to use? |
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| 13:08.57 | Appetite | what do you mean lindi- |
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| 13:09.43 | g00se | finds the good news is that both lenny boxes are in the same state tmpfs-wise so it looks like a recent system change. Others MUST be in the same boat..? |
| 13:10.11 | lindi- | Appetite: where should qemu send VGA output? |
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| 13:10.24 | vlt | Hello. I accidentally filled up my root filesystem which is currently (don't ask why) on an LVM _snapshot_ volume (smaller than origin). The lenny machine is still running but understandably enough throws i/o errors everytime I try to run a command. Are there any chances to rescue at least some of the files (that are different from the source volume)? |
| 13:10.45 | macrobat | how do i know if the system time is localtime or utc? |
| 13:10.53 | vlt | macrobat: `date` |
| 13:11.03 | Appetite | lindi-: um, to my vga connected screen? |
| 13:11.16 | lindi- | Appetite: via X? |
| 13:11.29 | Appetite | lindi-: i guess, is that how it should be done? |
| 13:11.41 | lindi- | Appetite: there are multiple options |
| 13:11.59 | Appetite | lindi-: ok,w hat is the easiest way without a WM? |
| 13:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: Boot to another source (live CD). |
| 13:12.24 | vlt | Appetite: Answer seems to be in line 10. |
| 13:12.41 | Appetite | vlt wat? |
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| 13:12.49 | lindi- | Appetite: have you told qemu what X server it should connect to? it seems to be trying to use fb0 instead of X |
| 13:13.18 | Appetite | lindi-: i dont have xorg installed |
| 13:13.25 | nubcake | does anyone know if there's a similar software as www.keylemon.com which works under linux ? |
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| 13:14.07 | lindi- | Appetite: that makes using X bit difficult |
| 13:14.08 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: Booting from rescue CD would be possible, I think, but I doubt LVM will be able to activate the snapshot volume, once it's in unusable state ... |
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| 13:14.28 | Appetite | lindi-: i know you said there are multiple options, i'm installing xorg now though. is that the best way without a window manager? |
| 13:14.44 | lindi- | Appetite: it depends on what your goal is |
| 13:14.53 | lindi- | Appetite: i've used X, curses and VNC output modlues |
| 13:14.54 | Appetite | lindi-: to boot another iso without a window manager |
| 13:14.59 | vlt | Appetite: What about the fbdev option from line 10 (of your paste)? |
| 13:15.08 | lindi- | Appetite: but why are you avoiding a window manager |
| 13:15.14 | Appetite | lindi-: because this is on a server? |
| 13:15.20 | vlt | Appetite: You can also connect via VNC to your qemu session |
| 13:15.21 | Appetite | and a window manager is unneeded cluttery junk |
| 13:15.38 | lindi- | Appetite: VNC sounds like what you want |
| 13:15.48 | Appetite | lindi-: ah, ok, so how do i set that up ? |
| 13:16.50 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: When I shutdown the running machine and boot from a live CD, what would be your next steps? |
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| 13:17.45 | lindi- | Appetite: check the -vnc option |
| 13:17.56 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: Sorry, I don't mess with LVM. Possibly you could mount the volume and copy the files. |
| 13:19.36 | Appetite | lindi-: i did -curses arg and it works how i want it, thanks, i'll look into -vnc if i encounter trouble |
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| 13:20.59 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: Usually LVM refuses to activate filled up snapshot volumes. So I'm actually looking for a kind of lvm rescue mode or getting as much files as possible out of the running kernel's file cache ... |
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| 13:21.46 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: Pretty much confirms my impression that LVM is far less than useless and is actually harmful to your system. |
| 13:22.44 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: Hmm, I think it isn't. It was just me who didn't use it the right way :( |
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| 13:24.35 | pmurias | why can only root use gnome-terminal |
| 13:24.36 | pmurias | ? |
| 13:24.52 | pmurias | Failed to get the session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-IPDqaUgYUQ: Connection refused |
| 13:25.01 | pmurias | Falling back to non-factory mode. |
| 13:25.01 | pmurias | Failed to summon the GConf demon; exiting. Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-C37p1DxxV4: Connection refused) |
| 13:25.43 | pmurias | should have used the pastebin :( |
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| 13:37.18 | cantoma | guys, I have been experiencing the following bug related to flashplugin-nonfree. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516780 In the end Mike says: Closing the bug, as reassigning to flashplugin-nonfree is pointless. Does this means that the bug is gonna be solve .. or what is gonna happen?! |
| 13:38.28 | vsmatck | cantoma: Because flash is proprietary no one but Adobe can fix it. |
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| 13:40.43 | cantoma | vsmatck, so it means we are dependent of their good will |
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| 13:41.01 | simonrvn | cantoma: "pointless" as in "no point", "nothing will come out of it". it's closed-source, proprietary, and like vsmatck said, only adobe can fix it. the only thing the maintainer can do is fix packaging bugs. |
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| 13:42.35 | cantoma | simonrvn, but still even if flash fails iceweasel in my opinion should not segmentation fault |
| 13:43.04 | simonrvn | that is not uncommon |
| 13:43.08 | vsmatck | cantoma: Both run in the same process so if one crashes the other does. |
| 13:43.28 | simonrvn | no it shouldn't, but there's nothing the iceweasel people can do. |
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| 13:43.32 | cantoma | i like to think of it as try {} catch {} |
| 13:43.36 | vsmatck | Google Chrome runs each tab in a separate process so it can isolate the crash to one tab. |
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| 13:43.51 | c00kiemon5ter | hi all |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | vsmatck: other browsers are switching to that |
| 13:44.11 | abrotman | isn't sure he wants tabs 'randomly' disappearing, but oh well |
| 13:44.25 | c00kiemon5ter | how can I install an unstable package in debian ? this one to be specific --> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mumble.html |
| 13:44.41 | cantoma | but I think its better rather than all going to heaven |
| 13:44.47 | simonrvn | you don't? |
| 13:44.50 | abrotman | c00kiemon5ter: man aptitude |
| 13:45.00 | c00kiemon5ter | why not ? |
| 13:45.33 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:45.34 | wols | !tell c00kiemon5ter about ssb |
| 13:46.14 | abrotman | oh.. misread |
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| 13:47.07 | c00kiemon5ter | thanks |
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| 13:51.27 | xingu | assumes that the process running the gui is made from the same material as a black box flight recorder and therefore invulnerable |
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| 13:52.49 | wols | buys some ohropax to silence all the whiners "firefox 4 is SOOOO bloated" after it has separate processes per tab |
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| 13:52.59 | visof | hello |
| 13:53.04 | wols | besides: 50+ processes for my browser? eeek |
| 13:53.15 | visof | where should i puts start up scripts , xinirc ?? |
| 13:53.38 | xingu | wols: just for you - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3002/ |
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| 13:58.40 | dian123 | hola hi\ |
| 13:58.51 | dian123 | alguien ha trabajado con daloradius? |
| 13:58.59 | wols | !es |
| 13:58.59 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 14:02.38 | thinkdpadT42 | I have a t42 notebook with atheros wireless chip made for america markets.the wireless chip firmware set regdomain to 0x64,and can't work with wifi channel 13 on winxp.if I switch to ubuntu or debian,linux os could connect with ap via channel 13? |
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| 14:03.40 | thinkdpadT42 | I have a t42 notebook with atheros wireless chip made for america markets.the wireless chip firmware set regdomain to 0x64,and can't work with wifi channel 13 on winxp.if I switch to ubuntu or debian,linux os could connect with ap via channel 13? I 'm in japan now |
| 14:03.56 | thinkdpadT42 | could somebody help me ? |
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| 14:10.59 | visof | i put path to start service in ~/.xinitrc and it doesn't start |
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| 14:14.15 | sh0t | hi all. I don't know what happened. I just know my x server doesn't start anymore. |
| 14:14.55 | mattgirv | sh0t: What does the xorg log say? |
| 14:15.22 | mattgirv | sh0t: It's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:15.29 | mattgirv | pastebin it. |
| 14:15.41 | sh0t | ok mattgirv but |
| 14:16.06 | sh0t | when i pastebinit it get a link, how can i paste it to irssi...? |
| 14:16.19 | sh0t | i have not X now :( |
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| 14:16.42 | mattgirv | Fair enough, well either way look inside your log and pay attention to anything with (WW) or (EE) next to it. |
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| 14:17.10 | wols | a paste.debian.net link isn't so hard to type out... |
| 14:17.14 | mattgirv | sh0t: And was it ever working? |
| 14:17.31 | sh0t | mattgirv: i pastebinit it then i copy it by hand wait a minute :) |
| 14:17.35 | mattgirv | oki |
| 14:18.09 | wols | thinkdpadT42: the ath5k/ath9k doesn't need any special firmware. so if everything is inside your wlan chip it won't change |
| 14:18.20 | wols | if it's some setting or other it should be fine |
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| 14:18.43 | vallhalla | helo again all |
| 14:19.00 | sh0t | mattgirv: http://pastebin.com/GqSNNMhf |
| 14:20.06 | sh0t | i just was opening a pdf and i saw that i could'nt read nothing cause it didn't display any char... so i rebooted... |
| 14:20.30 | sh0t | and then X wasn't wokring... |
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| 14:20.44 | sh0t | but if I run x from root |
| 14:20.45 | mattgirv | sh0t: I'd reinstall Xorg. |
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| 14:20.55 | sh0t | it works... |
| 14:21.05 | mattgirv | Looks like XKB isn't in your path then. |
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| 14:22.01 | sh0t | mmm.... |
| 14:22.41 | wols | sh0t: how much free diskspace do you have? anything full? |
| 14:22.44 | vallhalla | sh0t: did you run an update today? |
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| 14:24.04 | sh0t | ohhh i did...but i rebooted then...and it was ok |
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| 14:24.38 | vallhalla | hmm changed any settings since? |
| 14:25.07 | sh0t | vallhalla: no :| |
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| 14:25.42 | vallhalla | dont suppose you have a backup xconfig file do you?# |
| 14:26.20 | sh0t | no..i don't...but i think the fact the if I run startx from root |
| 14:26.25 | sh0t | i works is important |
| 14:26.33 | sh0t | *it works... |
| 14:26.38 | mattgirv | sh0t: Could be a permission issue? |
| 14:27.10 | sh0t | maybe ... |
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| 14:27.27 | vallhalla | sh0t: so am i correct in thinking you have no kdm/gdm login? |
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| 14:27.47 | sh0t | vallhalla: you're correct. |
| 14:28.04 | vallhalla | sh0t: ok what one of them did you use? |
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| 14:28.50 | sh0t | vallhalla: i'm sorry, i don't understand what you are asking me. |
| 14:29.01 | sh0t | i use gnome... |
| 14:29.07 | vallhalla | sh0t: ok |
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| 14:29.36 | vallhalla | sh0t: that means you login is most likly controled by gdm |
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| 14:29.57 | sh0t | ah ok yeah.... |
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| 14:30.14 | sh0t | i have gdm. |
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| 14:30.48 | vallhalla | sh0t: you could try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 14:31.09 | sh0t | ok. |
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| 14:32.11 | sh0t | mm....dpkg is telling me gdm is corrupted...or something of similar... |
| 14:32.28 | vallhalla | ok try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 14:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | vallhalla: Debian, not ubuntu. sudo isn't set up by default. |
| 14:33.54 | vallhalla | jhutchins_lt: very true sorry |
| 14:35.28 | sh0t | vallhalla: if i start gdm with the init.d script... it shows me a graphic login |
| 14:35.35 | sh0t | then if i log in... |
| 14:35.59 | sh0t | it says that i have to check Xsession-error (if i remeber) |
| 14:36.10 | sh0t | and the X dies. |
| 14:36.18 | sh0t | *then |
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| 14:36.42 | rascal999 | i have a livecd booting from an nfsmont, i'd like to have changes made to the OS saved for when others boot from this nfsmount. As I understand it, the livecd works in a union mount fashion, with modifications being written to ram, how can i make these changes write to an nfsmount and load this "ram nfsmount" into ram when booting other thin clients? |
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| 14:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | rascal999: Well, first let's sort out whether we're booting from an nfs mount or from a live CD. |
| 14:38.23 | vallhalla | sh0t: you could try Xorg -configure so reset it see if it helps |
| 14:38.28 | rascal999 | jhutchins_lt: nfsmount contains squashfs which is what i have managed to boot from on a vm |
| 14:38.55 | sh0t | ok vallhalla i can try. |
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| 14:39.58 | sh0t | vallhalla: it's strange... i got segmentation faults... |
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| 14:40.13 | sh0t | but what if i reinstall all X? |
| 14:40.21 | vallhalla | very odd could you pbin them? |
| 14:40.28 | sh0t | ok |
| 14:40.30 | edju | running squeeze, and apt-get update shows 144 packages held back - kde4.4 stuff. synaptic, however, seems happy to upgrade everything. is there a reason not to update held-back packages? |
| 14:40.34 | sh0t | wait a minute please... |
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| 14:42.12 | mattgirv | edju: Possibly, if it conflicts with other packages you have installed or if there are inherent faults in said package. |
| 14:42.13 | sh0t | vallhalla: http://pastebin.com/9fQKiFEu, i hope the link it's ok |
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| 14:43.02 | sh0t | i'm seeing right now that i've some problem with the keyboard...in fact if i press capslock |
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| 14:43.20 | sh0t | it doesn't work correctly... |
| 14:43.28 | mattgirv | It isn't reading your layout, that is one of the errors in your Xorg log file |
| 14:43.36 | mattgirv | Look near the end, (EE) |
| 14:43.36 | sh0t | but just for some letters. |
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| 14:43.51 | echosystm | i have a question |
| 14:44.02 | vallhalla | sh0t: did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:44.04 | echosystm | what is to stop a package maintainer putting malicious code in the package? |
| 14:44.12 | echosystm | are there controls in place for things like that? |
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| 14:44.58 | sh0t | vallhalla: i tried to look at that file and there are some errors about keyboard... |
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| 14:45.25 | sh0t | but i don't know how to fix them. |
| 14:46.25 | vallhalla | sh0t: you could try a Xorg reinstall or dexconf |
| 14:46.38 | sh0t | now the Xorg.0.log looks different... it shows segfaults... |
| 14:46.45 | sh0t | vallhalla: ok. |
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| 14:52.52 | sh0t | vallhalla: have i to remove xorg before running apt-get install xorg? |
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| 14:54.05 | echosystm | do a purge sh0t, just to be sure |
| 14:54.16 | echosystm | (clear out all the config files) |
| 14:54.31 | sh0t | ok |
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| 14:55.16 | echosystm | #apt-get remove --purge package |
| 14:55.16 | sh0t | well now startx doesn't find /usr/bin/X and this is ok. |
| 14:55.22 | echosystm | #apt-get clean |
| 14:55.28 | echosystm | then apt-get install.. |
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| 14:55.40 | sh0t | ok echosystm |
| 14:56.05 | vallhalla | sh0t: apt-get purge xorg && apt-get update && apt-get install xorg |
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| 14:56.22 | vallhalla | echosystm: thank you |
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| 14:56.24 | thinkdpadT42 | wols,ath5k does not need firmware....but wireless interface has a in-built eerom regdomained to 0x64 that work as firmware...so could ath5k work out to enable channel 13 |
| 14:56.29 | thinkdpadT42 | ? |
| 14:58.38 | sh0t | uff... vallhalla nothing.. |
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| 14:59.00 | vallhalla | sh0t: did you reboot after install? |
| 14:59.01 | sh0t | i don't know why x starts if i run x fromroot... |
| 14:59.08 | sh0t | ah no... |
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| 14:59.13 | sh0t | have i? |
| 14:59.27 | vallhalla | sh0t: may help |
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| 15:00.48 | sh0t | k |
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| 15:03.50 | michalxo | hello all! My /dev/dvb tv accidentally is not present, I don't understand. Everything worked fine yesterday :-/ |
| 15:04.18 | sh0t | I again... :). vallhalla it just decided not to work! |
| 15:04.37 | michalxo | after plugging tv-card in, dmesg shows successful connection. Any ideas where can be a probelm? |
| 15:05.14 | vallhalla | sh0t: ok are you using squeez? |
| 15:05.25 | sh0t | yes i am. |
| 15:05.36 | vallhalla | sh0t: ok try this |
| 15:05.42 | vallhalla | sh0t: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 15:06.25 | bolt | when creating a user account for an application to run as, is there a way to disallow login as that user, but still allow su to it? |
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| 15:06.34 | sh0t | it says i have not that package. Have I to install it? |
| 15:07.19 | vallhalla | sh0t: not just yet try X -configure |
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| 15:07.39 | Ziber | what are common causes of http://zpaste.org/36358 ? |
| 15:07.58 | inconsiderable | Good day all , where is .bash_profile or similar file in debian ? |
| 15:08.05 | sh0t | it says i've another X server active O_o??? |
| 15:08.08 | Ziber | http://zpaste.org/36359 <-- /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:08.09 | sh0t | ahhhh |
| 15:08.15 | abrotman | Ziber: there is no device ? |
| 15:08.25 | sh0t | gdm login is running... |
| 15:08.29 | rudi_s | inconsiderable: As everywhere in your home directory. If it doesn't exist create it. |
| 15:08.37 | vallhalla | sh0t: ok try this |
| 15:08.41 | Ziber | abrotman: well, that'd be the error. but... i should be able to ifup it |
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| 15:08.53 | abrotman | Ziber: the device does not *exist* .. it's not there .. |
| 15:09.07 | vallhalla | sh0t: X -configure :1 |
| 15:09.16 | inconsiderable | rudi_s: thanks what shuld be the complete name |
| 15:09.20 | Ziber | abrotman: well, how do i create it? ...? |
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| 15:09.34 | Ziber | its there in the interfaces file |
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| 15:10.19 | abrotman | Ziber: dmesg | grep eth .. what do you see ? |
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| 15:10.59 | sh0t | vallhalla: it says this: http://pastebin.com/FZLaPP3d |
| 15:11.13 | inconsiderable | rudi_s: there is a file with name of .profile in home |
| 15:11.40 | sh0t | something about wmvare? |
| 15:11.40 | Ziber | http://zpaste.org/36364 |
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| 15:12.20 | vallhalla | sh0t: do you have vmware installed? |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | Ziber: so what's missing? |
| 15:12.53 | Ziber | some drivers, but i have no idea what to do about this... this is a VM too, btw. |
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| 15:13.51 | rudi_s | inconsiderable: That are two different files. |
| 15:14.48 | sh0t | vallhalla: dpkg -l |grep vmware says xserver-xorg-video-vmware...is installed. |
| 15:15.09 | sh0t | but actually this is not my pc. |
| 15:15.27 | Ziber | abrotman: ? |
| 15:15.52 | vallhalla | sh0t: how do you mean? |
| 15:16.33 | abrotman | Ziber: your system doesn't seem to have any network devices |
| 15:16.40 | sh0t | this is a my friend's pc. |
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| 15:17.10 | Ziber | how would i fix that? |
| 15:17.18 | Ziber | or, install network devices? |
| 15:17.33 | vallhalla | shot ok do you know what type of graphics card is installed? |
| 15:17.50 | sh0t | ok i'm going to see lspci output. |
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| 15:18.43 | Ziber | and, my other problem, on a different debian vm, everytime it boots up, it says no inet6 support, so i have to "modprobe ipv6" again |
| 15:18.58 | sh0t | vallhalla: VGA compatilble controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] |
| 15:19.40 | wols | Ziber: put "ipv6" into /etc/modules then |
| 15:19.49 | inconsiderable | rudi_s: somehwere is written : add a line like |
| 15:19.50 | inconsiderable | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.50 | inconsiderable | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.59 | inconsiderable | what should humble do now ? |
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| 15:20.20 | Ziber | wols: hm, trying. |
| 15:20.22 | vallhalla | sh0t: one moment |
| 15:20.39 | Ziber | ah ha, thank you :) |
| 15:20.43 | wols | Ziber: on the _other_ debian system you mentioned. for your VM NIC trouble, tell us what NIC it emulates: lspci -nn |
| 15:21.22 | sh0t | vallhalla: ok no problem. |
| 15:21.41 | rudi_s | inconsiderable: Better add it to ~/.bashrc, so just open a text editor and add it to ~/.bashrc (~/ is your home directory, like /home/incosiderable). |
| 15:21.59 | Ziber | wols: rebooting that one atm, gimme a sec. |
| 15:22.00 | rudi_s | But you should only add things there you understand! It can be quite dangerous to add random stuff there. |
| 15:22.29 | inconsiderable | thanks a lot |
| 15:22.39 | rudi_s | np |
| 15:22.41 | Ziber | -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 15:22.50 | vallhalla | sh0t: what is the output from glxinfo | grep render ? |
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| 15:25.57 | sh0t | vallhalla: sorry i had to install mesa-utils package. however it says error: Unable to open display... |
| 15:26.55 | bolt | how do I run a program as a user who has his shell set to /bin/false? lots of application-accounts have this, but when I try it myself, the process doesn't launch. currently trying su test -c "echo worked" as root. The user "test" has his shell set to /bin/false |
| 15:27.16 | vallhalla | sh0t: ok you need to setup the drivers for card a how to can be found here http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo if you get stuck i shall be here |
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| 15:27.38 | Ziber | wols: ? |
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| 15:30.07 | ScottG | Is it generall better to get java from sun or the openjdk? |
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| 15:31.17 | chlin | Is there any command that can be used to check what may cause the fan keep running (busy)? |
| 15:31.54 | eshat | chlin: check for high CPU usage by programs |
| 15:31.58 | abrotman | powertop .. maybe .. |
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| 15:33.03 | wols | Ziber:uname -a |
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| 15:34.12 | Ziber | Linux debtest.ziber.org 2.6.28-17-server #58-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 1 19:58:28 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:34.22 | chlin | programmes that has cpu usage is chrome, xorg, but they only have cpu% 2% and 1% |
| 15:34.23 | wols | nice. now go back to #ubuntu please |
| 15:34.33 | chlin | however, when I check /proc/acpi/.../temperature |
| 15:34.39 | chlin | one area shows that it is 90C |
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| 15:34.54 | chlin | temperature: 90 C |
| 15:34.58 | mixalis | hi, i have installed xfce and i couldnt move windows.. now dont know what happened but i cant see the bars (with the "x" for close) of windows because they are too high on the screen... and how i install firefox? that iceweasel is to crappy.. "options, file, bookmarks" bar doesnt work.. |
| 15:34.59 | chlin | which is really high |
| 15:35.01 | sh0t | vallhalla: i was doing what the link you pasted before says...than i noticed that i have not a xorg.conf... but i found in the root dir a xorg.conf backup file so i copied it in /etc/X11 (but it's the same). But when in the page says to test the performace with glxinfo i get the same error. |
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| 15:37.46 | sh0t | i try again to purge and reinstall X. |
| 15:37.50 | sh0t | maybe it works. |
| 15:38.51 | elnur | http://pastebin.com/BWA3nv9J It works with this configuration and asks for auth. But if I uncomment LimitExcept, I get Forbidden by default. But it's supposed to allow me for GET PROPFIND OPTIONS REPORT. Any ideas why? |
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| 15:42.37 | elnur | http://pastebin.com/BWA3nv9J It works with this configuration and asks for auth. But if I uncomment LimitExcept, I get Forbidden by default. But it's supposed to allow me for GET PROPFIND OPTIONS REPORT. Any ideas why? |
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| 15:42.50 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 15:42.50 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 15:42.53 | abrotman | AmberJ: ^^ |
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| 15:43.58 | JainAmber | arghh...got disconnected |
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| 15:44.18 | JainAmber | Did someone suggested anything in the meantime? (I'm AmberJ) |
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| 15:45.14 | wols | !tell JainAmber about about alsa checklist |
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| 15:46.14 | JainAmber | wols, that didn't do anything :( Did you typed 'about' twice mistakenly? |
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| 15:46.35 | elnur | !tell JainAmber about alsa checklist |
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| 15:46.51 | elnur | hehe |
| 15:46.54 | elnur | it telled me |
| 15:46.59 | elnur | *told |
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| 15:47.23 | JainAmber | Thanks elnur and wols |
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| 15:50.21 | wols | JainAmber: I did. /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 15:51.35 | sh0t | vallhalla: it seems ok now. I deleted the .ICEauthority file |
| 15:51.39 | elnur | http://pastebin.com/BWA3nv9J It works with this configuration and asks for auth. But if I uncomment LimitExcept, I get Forbidden by default. But it's supposed to allow me for GET PROPFIND OPTIONS REPORT. Any ideas why? |
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| 15:54.06 | sh0t | i also set to 1777 /tmpaccess rights |
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| 15:55.20 | factor | Does the latest tomcat have a problem with the java that comes with stable debian, I cant seem to get it working. |
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| 15:56.06 | jhutchins | elnur: At keast wait for your first post to scroll off screen before reposting. If anyone has a clue what you're talking about they'll respond eventually. |
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| 15:56.52 | wols | factor: there are severl jvms in stable. I suggest you use the sun one |
| 15:57.01 | factor | wols:I am |
| 15:57.04 | jhutchins | factor: Apache2 works fine with it. |
| 15:57.27 | factor | I use testing and tomcat and it works fine |
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| 15:57.45 | factor | but stable I cant seem to get going , I shoudl nothave to worry about the bind issue correct with stable |
| 15:57.55 | factor | sysctrl bind 0 thing |
| 15:58.00 | factor | its is set as such |
| 15:58.10 | elnur | jhutchins, it did on my screen ;) |
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| 15:58.48 | Claunia | Hi all |
| 15:58.50 | Claunia | I'm having a problem |
| 15:59.02 | elnur | factor, ditch tomcat and use glassfish |
| 15:59.09 | Claunia | whenever I compile a custom kernel and invoke either mkinitramfs or update-initramfs I get an initrd without ANY module at all inside |
| 15:59.11 | Claunia | any idea? |
| 15:59.12 | factor | I have to use tomcat. |
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| 15:59.32 | abrotman | factor: did you use update-java-alternatives ? |
| 15:59.46 | factor | I only have sun version but will try |
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| 16:01.09 | elnur | Solved my problem by removing 'AuthzSVNAccessFile /srv/authz' line from the config |
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| 16:02.22 | sh0t | wow. now X works !!! |
| 16:02.44 | factor | heh just could not see the process seems to be working |
| 16:02.49 | factor | oh well |
| 16:02.54 | sh0t | thanks for yuor time vallhalla ! |
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| 16:03.13 | vallhalla | sh0t: np |
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| 16:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | iceweasel keeps hanging on third-party links |
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| 16:07.33 | Nazral | Hello |
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| 16:08.33 | Nazral | I have a problem with my new t91MT, I can't get the touchscreen working |
| 16:08.54 | Nazral | (the /dev/hidraw0 is present, but there is no way to calibrate it) |
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| 16:10.05 | wols | Nazral: first google hit: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20091214162901203&board_id=20&model=Eee+PC+T91MT&page=1&SLanguage=en-us |
| 16:10.59 | wols | it also has a calibration workaround |
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| 16:13.49 | rascal999 | i've extracted an initrd.lz file so i can mount /dev/fd0 as an nfs share, is this possible and how can i do it? Thanks |
| 16:14.16 | wols | huh? |
| 16:14.21 | wols | !wayttd rascal999 |
| 16:14.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rascal999? |
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| 16:15.07 | rascal999 | in ubuntu there is a mode called persistent mode, which saves any changes you make to a live session in /dev/fd0 (usb stick), i like these changes to be made to an nfs share because the live sessions are booting over pxe |
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| 16:16.14 | rascal999 | so i'm looking round in initrd.lz which is on the livecd to either change where to look (nfs share instead of /dev/fd0), or have /dev/fd0 point to an nfs share |
| 16:16.22 | Nazral | wols: thank you ! |
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| 16:17.04 | wols | rascal999: is this debian you use or ubuntu? |
| 16:17.21 | rascal999 | wols: debian server, ubuntu as thin client OS |
| 16:17.41 | wols | then go to #ubuntu. not a debian problem we can help with |
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| 16:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | rascal999: I use ltsp, it's pretty much install/run. |
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| 16:20.11 | pallgone | jhutchins_lt: how fast is it? |
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| 16:21.02 | jhutchins_lt | pallgone: Running on an Intel MicroATX it'd indistinguishable from a normal desktop. |
| 16:21.17 | jhutchins_lt | Server's a decent Core2. |
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| 16:21.54 | pallgone | jhutchins_lt: but it needs ethernet or would it also work with wifi? (reasonable) |
| 16:22.30 | mixalis | hi, i cant use File, Edit, View, Bookmarks bar on iceweasel.. not even right click>Customise.. any ideas? |
| 16:22.42 | mixalis | i reinstalled it and nothing fixed |
| 16:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | pallgone: Depends on how many clients. Most of the network load is at boot. |
| 16:23.36 | pallgone | mixalis: you could try to rename your iceweasel profile so a new one is created |
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| 16:24.17 | mixalis | how this can be achieved? |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | mixalis: try it in safe mode perhaps |
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| 16:25.17 | pallgone | jhutchins_lt: I'm using nxserver/client at the moment |
| 16:25.31 | mixalis | cant i just download firefox itself? |
| 16:25.41 | smeea | is there any way to bind 'control-m' keystroke to work as 'return' in X? |
| 16:25.53 | jhutchins_lt | pallgone: I haven't done any comparisons. |
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| 16:26.24 | wols | mixalis: stop firefox, rename your ~/.mozilla and try again |
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| 16:26.36 | wols | !smodmap |
| 16:26.40 | wols | !xmodmap |
| 16:26.40 | dpkg | from memory, xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
| 16:27.03 | jhutchins_lt | mixalis: iceweasel is just a build of firefox with the name changed, it's not significantly different software, works the same as FF. |
| 16:27.16 | pallgone | and it is deprecated (xmodmap) |
| 16:27.17 | wols | mixalis: you can certainly download normal firefox but not from debian and it won't be supported here |
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| 16:28.53 | pallgone | mixalis: your profile should be in .mozilla/.. |
| 16:29.55 | smeea | wols: i don't understand how to bind keystroke via xmodmap |
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| 16:30.15 | smeea | i mean not just control or m, but control+m |
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| 16:34.01 | xyan | meh ftp.de.debian.org does not resolve anymore, got it shut down? |
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| 16:35.43 | peterrooney | xyan: it's still there and alive |
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| 16:36.16 | humbolt | how can I list all installed packages? |
| 16:36.41 | AimHere | it's easy to do if you have synaptic installed |
| 16:36.42 | humbolt | I want to check which "ruby mysql" packages are installed, how would I do that? |
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| 16:37.09 | humbolt | is there an apt-cache command for this? |
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| 16:37.33 | tpocra | My server is being weird... I can't su from my normal user to root. |
| 16:37.40 | tpocra | but I can log in directly as root |
| 16:37.40 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 16:37.52 | tpocra | su: Authentication failure |
| 16:38.42 | smeea | humbolt: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 16:40.51 | abrotman | !tell humbolt about installed |
| 16:40.56 | abrotman | smeea: that shows all sorts of things |
| 16:42.20 | Nazral | wols: does not work either |
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| 16:43.30 | Benwa | hi, i just downloaded a linjux based on debian (fccu) but i do not know how to boot it when i got the prompt : "boot:" |
| 16:43.32 | arafangion | Why is it so hard to get japanese input to work in Debian? I thought all I had to do was install tegaki. |
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| 16:44.55 | compaq | hi, anyone running compiz on an intel video card. Cause I switched to ubuntu, and I couldn't run compiz cause the video card was blacklisted, but I remember running compiz a couple years ago on Sarge with this same pc |
| 16:46.59 | arafangion | How *do* japanese people use Debian, anyway? |
| 16:47.23 | aburch | arafangion: tegaki? That seems to be only for handwriting recognition? |
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| 16:47.59 | abrotman | arafangion: there are special howtos for doing that |
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| 16:48.36 | abrotman | compaq: i have run it .. but you should probably ask #ubuntu why your card is blacklisted |
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| 16:48.44 | tsocrc | abrotman: It seems that my su and passwd binary executable files do not have sticky bit set, they are rwxr-xr-x instead of rwsr-xr-x |
| 16:48.45 | arafangion | abrotman: I've yet to find a howto telling me how to *start* tegaki. |
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| 16:49.11 | tsocrc | Would this cause me to be unable to su from one user to another, or give me authentication token error when trying to change password of a normal user account? |
| 16:49.14 | abrotman | tsocrc: huh ? |
| 16:49.16 | Nazral | wols: my problem is that, when I touch the screen, the cursors goes right into the top-left corner |
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| 16:49.20 | compaq | hi abrotman, I think I am gonna install debian, so you say that you run compiz on an intel video card, what is the model? |
| 16:49.36 | aburch | arafangion: Install something related to ibus and use im-switch. But I forgot how I did in exactly ;) |
| 16:49.37 | arafangion | aburch: Well, yes, that seems to be the easiest way to use Japanese, given that I don't know how to pronounce any of it. |
| 16:49.42 | abrotman | compaq: which one is yours? i have tried it on a few different ones |
| 16:49.58 | compaq | abrotman, 1 sec |
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| 16:50.11 | wols | Nazral: hard for me to suggest anything when I doN't have the hardware in question. I guess use google and the asus forum. those are your best bets. |
| 16:50.15 | abrotman | compaq: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 16:50.17 | compaq | abrotman, 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE |
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| 16:50.39 | abrotman | compaq: i had used uhm .. an 855 i think .. but this was awhile ago .. |
| 16:50.54 | abrotman | compaq: maybe ask #ubuntu why your card is blacklisted before you change distors |
| 16:51.09 | tsocrc | Normal users cannot su to anything |
| 16:51.17 | compaq | abrotman, they said there was nothin I can do, they said it on Ubuntu and compiz channel |
| 16:51.18 | tsocrc | not to root, not to other users. |
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| 16:52.20 | illio | I can't seem to find the python-memcached package in Debian stable .. is it included in another package? |
| 16:52.40 | compaq | abrotman, I switched from debian to ubuntu, cause I couldn't get the sleep and hibernate on my laptop configured and it worked on ubuntu, but on my desktop sleep isn't working either so... |
| 16:52.56 | compaq | I like su better than sudo anyway |
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| 16:55.04 | abrotman | how old is this laptop ? |
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| 16:55.26 | abrotman | tsocrc: i'd be concerned .. |
| 16:55.30 | arafangion | aburch: Thanks, that should actually get me started, the guides I was using (the ones that weren't Japanese) didn't really mention ibus, I seem to have something now. (I've got Tegaki running now, but it's only recognising the keystroke, not actually entering it - could be a window manager issue) |
| 16:55.47 | tsocrc | abrotman: I fixed it by changing the permissions of the su and passwd binaries |
| 16:55.55 | tsocrc | It needed to be rws not rwx |
| 16:56.16 | abrotman | tsocrc: uhm .. i wouldn't trust that binary |
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| 16:56.58 | cliper | hi, can I know if my debian lenny has a desktop? how? |
| 16:57.35 | arafangion | aburch: And it's working. :) Woo! Thanks. |
| 16:57.48 | compaq | abrotman, I don't know, its a tp43, 80gig harddrive, dvd-r, 1.5gig ram, I can't remember cpu, maybe dual cor 1.866 |
| 16:58.24 | abrotman | !tell tsocrc about debsums |
| 16:58.35 | abrotman | compaq: when is the last time you tried debian ? |
| 16:58.45 | abrotman | would still find out why it's blacklisted |
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| 16:58.48 | compaq | over a year ago |
| 16:59.00 | compaq | its still 5.0 I see |
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| 17:04.00 | n00n3r | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes |
| 17:04.13 | Nazral | evtouch seems to be using hal & udev |
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| 17:05.50 | compaq | There is a scale out feature that comes with compiz, basically, it zooms out all the open windows and then you can pick which one to bring up front. Is it possible to run this without running compiz somehow? |
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| 17:10.59 | wols | tsocrc: i wouldn't trust that debian install anymore. at all. ever. |
| 17:12.27 | abrotman | !tell n00n3r about away |
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| 17:13.27 | abrotman | compaq: uhm, i think there used to be a switcher like that just for xorg |
| 17:14.22 | compaq | abrotman, it would be good, cause its the only feature for which I am running compiz, but then, I could just turn off all the other features, and it would save cpu resources just the same |
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| 17:16.40 | tsocrc | wols: What? |
| 17:16.44 | tsocrc | Why not?? |
| 17:16.47 | tsocrc | It's brand new! |
| 17:17.09 | abrotman | tsocrc: that binary should have been correct if it was brand new |
| 17:17.13 | abrotman | compaq: too bad i can't remember the name |
| 17:17.28 | tsocrc | Well I mean I installed a couple of packages |
| 17:17.39 | compaq | abrotman, thanks for the info just the same, I will do a search later |
| 17:17.59 | RainbowW | if you installed a couple of packages from the debian archive, they should be correct and would not have dinked with permissions on binaries like that. |
| 17:18.17 | RainbowW | (if you installed a couple of untrusted packages you deserve what you got) |
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| 17:20.35 | Nazral | I think my problem comes from the fact that I don't have hal |
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| 17:21.45 | abrotman | tsocrc: have you tried debsums ? |
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| 17:23.03 | tsocrc | abrotman: Trying to figure out how to use it on /bin/su |
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| 17:23.38 | abrotman | tsocrc: just run 'debsums -c' |
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| 17:25.01 | tsocrc | abrotman: What package is /bin/su in? |
| 17:25.12 | abrotman | just run the command i just said |
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| 17:27.24 | Warp4 | hi all |
| 17:27.35 | Warp4 | does anyone here have any experience with leafnode? |
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| 17:28.02 | Warp4 | im trying to accomplish a couple of things here with my leafnode setup, but cant either figure out how to do it or get it to work |
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| 17:28.36 | Warp4 | id like to make my news server available to the public, set up article purging every 30 days (with texpire) and set up a killfile for annoying posters if that is possible |
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| 17:31.59 | tsocrc | abrotman: What if I used aptitude to clean the package cache? |
| 17:32.02 | tsocrc | Will this still work? |
| 17:32.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:32.15 | abrotman | you could have been done by now |
| 17:32.17 | tsocrc | # debsums -c debsums: no md5sums for binutils debsums: no md5sums for debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:32.23 | tsocrc | Haha |
| 17:32.26 | tsocrc | OKay it is running |
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| 17:33.51 | icf7 | My USB mouse doesn't move the pointer, but is recognized as /dev/input/mouse3. How do I configure X.org input devices? |
| 17:34.14 | lindi- | icf7: lenny? |
| 17:35.04 | icf7 | lindi-: yes |
| 17:36.50 | lindi- | icf7: does "sudo hexdump -C /dev/input/mice" show any data if you move the mouse? |
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| 17:37.11 | latenite | how do I add a language in debian? my default is englisch but i need german. I want o choose on gdm |
| 17:37.25 | abrotman | icf7: what's in your xorg.conf ? |
| 17:38.20 | icf7 | abrotman: Default, Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" |
| 17:38.38 | abrotman | icf7: what if you move your xorg.conf aside ? |
| 17:41.10 | tsocrc | abrotman: So debsums did not say anything about su or passwd binaries |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | okay .. hopefully it's okay |
| 17:41.41 | tsocrc | =P |
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| 17:46.25 | cliper | is VirtualBox-OSE 1.6.6 installation is still recommended on Debian Lenny? |
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| 17:46.31 | cliper | or I have to install a new version? like 3.1.6? <-- the test version? |
| 17:47.23 | abrotman | there are virtual box packages in lenny |
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| 17:49.45 | cliper | yup, I have 1.6.6 currently in my sources.list |
| 17:50.08 | cliper | :) do I need to upgrade to .. ex. 2.2? like backports |
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| 17:51.52 | xand | oracle provide .deb files, personally I'd use them... |
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| 17:53.27 | visof | when i want to start script when i execute startx , just put it in ~/.xinitrc , if i want to run when i start my Debian only , i want it run before running startx even |
| 17:53.33 | visof | where should i add? |
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| 18:05.02 | cliper | xand: so you mean you recommend .deb files to be installed in our Debian Lenny? textbased server? |
| 18:05.14 | acathur | visof: /msg dpkg startup |
| 18:05.28 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.42 | xand | cliper: you can install them that way |
| 18:06.49 | deed02392 | I've just bought a VPS running on OpenVZ with Debian 5.0, and I'm trying to configure a firewall. I couldn't get APF working because it didn't like the the venet0:0 (said it couldn't determine it was a network iface), so I'm now trying to use KISS, which appears to require the ip_tables module. From what I've read I can use insmod to install the ip_tables module, but I'm reserved about where to source this, can anyone give me some advice on what to d |
| 18:08.34 | abrotman | deed02392: your VPS kernel might not have iptables in it |
| 18:09.46 | visof | acathur so i should create my script at /etc/init.d/myscript that should start scripts i want ?? |
| 18:09.49 | deed02392 | Yeah, I'm able to insert it though aren't I? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think iptables (netfilter) is different from ip_tables right? |
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| 18:11.00 | abrotman | deed02392: the kernel might not have it at all ... |
| 18:11.07 | deed02392 | iptables -h gives output |
| 18:11.24 | deed02392 | however modprobe ip_tables says no such file |
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| 18:11.38 | deed02392 | Am I not able to install ip_tables? |
| 18:11.41 | inconsiderable | Good day all , how to find printer port /dev/ ... address ? |
| 18:12.06 | deed02392 | "iptables v1.4.2" |
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| 18:12.54 | deed02392 | With APF there's a config directive called monokern, which when set allows APF to run using a statically compiled ip_tables/iptables module (from what I understand) |
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| 18:13.15 | deed02392 | However I was faced with a multitude of other issues even after doing that so I'm trying KISS now |
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| 18:13.54 | abrotman | deed02392: it's a VPS, you can't compile your own kernel |
| 18:14.37 | deed02392 | ah ok. What are my options from here? Does KISS not have a similar method of getting around lack of ip_tables as what APF has? |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | deed02392: grep "NETFILTER" /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:15.04 | deed02392 | No such file or directory |
| 18:15.41 | deed02392 | there's nothing in /boot |
| 18:15.47 | xuser | deed02392: what's KISS, what's APF? |
| 18:15.58 | deed02392 | software firewalls |
| 18:16.09 | xuser | :/ |
| 18:16.10 | cliper | well, yah I thought I couldn't |
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| 18:17.06 | cliper | I only read the installation guidelines from VirtualBox site in the Debian Lenny section |
| 18:17.16 | xuser | deed02392: you are practically screwed with what you have |
| 18:17.24 | cliper | xand: so I could install .deb on my Lenny then? |
| 18:17.33 | deed02392 | Really? Why xuser? |
| 18:18.02 | xuser | because is a VPS |
| 18:18.15 | deed02392 | Surely there's a software solution firewall out there for me to use |
| 18:18.23 | abrotman | deed02392: why do you want to use iptables ? |
| 18:18.24 | xuser | surely there isn't |
| 18:18.52 | deed02392 | I don't abrotman, I want to use APF, but I'll settle for KISS |
| 18:18.53 | xuser | unless you can modified the kernel and load modules you are screwed |
| 18:19.07 | abrotman | deed02392: i'm asking why you think you need a firewall |
| 18:19.32 | deed02392 | well, for security. It's going to be hosting a site with upwards of 2000 users |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 18:19.59 | deed02392 | I think I need a firewall for security. |
| 18:20.08 | abrotman | to protect you from .. what? |
| 18:20.13 | deed02392 | Internet attacks |
| 18:20.16 | RainbowW | let's be more detailed: what exactly do you want this firewall to prevent, do, or log for you? i.e., what services will you be wanting to hide? |
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| 18:20.40 | deed02392 | I want to know that only certain ports are accessible to the outside world |
| 18:21.05 | RainbowW | by default only the ports for services you run are available. if nothing is running on a given port, it stays closed. |
| 18:21.22 | RainbowW | thus, only run the services you need to be exposed to the public. |
| 18:21.34 | deed02392 | but there are some things like DNS that would run locally that I only want the server itself to access locally |
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| 18:21.55 | RainbowW | DNS either needs to be accessible to the public, or you shouldn't be running it at all. |
| 18:22.20 | deed02392 | Says who? Why shouldn't I be able to run and use bind locally |
| 18:22.21 | wols | deed02392: then make that daemon only listen on localhost |
| 18:22.29 | deed02392 | well wols, that's only one example |
| 18:22.33 | deed02392 | there's mailer daemons as well |
| 18:22.55 | deed02392 | it would be a lot easier if I could just configure what ports I want accessible on the inet interface than manually configuring all the services I want to run |
| 18:23.03 | RainbowW | imo bind is a security hazard as well. tho listening on localhost is fine. a properly configured mailer daemon |
| 18:23.07 | RainbowW | isn't a problem either. |
| 18:23.18 | deed02392 | a properly configured mailer daemon is no mean feat |
| 18:24.08 | deed02392 | a firewall is a far easier method of protecting a mailer daemon I only want to use for basic sending e-mail from an httpd |
| 18:24.29 | RainbowW | then run it on loopback too. |
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| 18:25.21 | deed02392 | I don't want to have to configure every service manually like that, I just want to be able to restrict access per port |
| 18:25.22 | RainbowW | given the level of competence you seem to have, running a catch-all firewall's most likely outcome for you is that you'll lock yourself out of your machine. that is usually a negative. |
| 18:25.43 | deed02392 | I already have APF running fine on a dedicated server |
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| 18:25.54 | deed02392 | the only reason I'm asking for help here is because getting it to run on a VPS is a different story |
| 18:26.06 | abrotman | you still don't have a choice .. you have no control over the kernel on a VPS |
| 18:26.24 | RainbowW | if it is, you'll need to discuss it with your VPS provider in any case. (abrotman, that depends on how the VPS is configured.) |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | deed02392: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 18:26.48 | abrotman | RainbowW: in most cases, he has no control |
| 18:26.51 | deed02392 | 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5.028stab068.9 |
| 18:27.18 | RainbowW | that's a non-stock kernel. talk to your provider. |
| 18:28.23 | deed02392 | I'd rather not involve them |
| 18:28.30 | xuser | lol |
| 18:28.32 | RainbowW | too bad. |
| 18:28.54 | deed02392 | if APF can work without the ip_tables module why can't another solution on a VPS |
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| 18:30.01 | cliper | Did anyone tried to install virtualbox .deb files on Debian Lenny (text-based)? |
| 18:30.18 | RainbowW | because typical firewall solutions for debian involve iptables. that's the most effective way to control the behavior you seem to be intent on (poorly) controlling. |
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| 18:30.32 | wols | !tell cliper about anyone |
| 18:30.42 | lindi- | RainbowW: often people forget ip6tables |
| 18:30.47 | deed02392 | there's no need to thrown in sarcastic little comments like that RainbowW |
| 18:30.53 | wols | RainbowW: there is no other firewall/packetfilter than netfilter. nothing else exists |
| 18:31.03 | deed02392 | it serves no purpose other than to make you look like a wanker |
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| 18:31.29 | wols | deed02392: it also doesn't help to insult people in a channel you want help from. no matter how badly you think they behave |
| 18:32.10 | xoz | if they behave badly, debian is not a place for them |
| 18:32.26 | deed02392 | perhaps RainbowW ought to /part then |
| 18:32.30 | wols | xoz: read all what I've written |
| 18:32.35 | RainbowW | deed02392: it has been my experience here that when people make comments like i have, it serves me well to step back and consider the idea that they may have more experience trying to do what i'm trying to do, and maybe they know (and are trying to show me) that the approach i'm trying to take is WRONG. |
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| 18:32.46 | wols | deed02392: great way to get help. have a nice day and good luck. you'll need it |
| 18:32.48 | RainbowW | and that i would benefit by changing the approach to solving my problem. |
| 18:32.49 | befghh | something weird has happened to my system. Im using both gnome and KDE, today when I started my system I only got a internet connection from Gnome and not fromKDE' |
| 18:33.04 | befghh | does it make a difference which UI you use? |
| 18:33.04 | cliper | I dont know what to download now, I've install vbox 1.6.6 from debian default source, it work but I need to have an upgrade, successfully upgraded to 3.1.4 but it doesnt work, so I wonder if 3.2 is recommended ? |
| 18:33.10 | wols | befghh: network-manager is evil |
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| 18:33.21 | wols | befghh: on a proper configured system it doesn't |
| 18:33.34 | wols | !tell cliper about doesn't work |
| 18:33.50 | befghh | the network-manager is it resposible for the internet connection or is it also handled by the ui? |
| 18:33.53 | RainbowW | befghh: if you can connect to <insert website of your choice here> from konq, my suggestion is that it doesn't matter. |
| 18:34.15 | deed02392 | well perhaps you know the situation you're in better than you have conveyed, and the people making comments like yourself are doing nothing but to aggravate |
| 18:34.24 | nsadmin | the network connection should be handled by /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:34.34 | xuser | deed02392: three people have tell you that if you don't have netfilter support you can't do anything about it unless you talk to your VPS and they can add you netfilter some way, what don't you get about that? |
| 18:34.39 | cliper | look wols, if you want to help, please talk. I just want a recommendation here.. ok? don't be pathetic. |
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| 18:34.55 | deed02392 | xuser, I already stated i have iptables give an output |
| 18:35.02 | wols | cliper: we are not mindreaders here... maybe THINK before you type? |
| 18:35.07 | RainbowW | befghh: those managers are an interface to control /etc/network/interfaces. if the managers are broken but you still have network conectivity, you should be okay. |
| 18:35.15 | xuser | deed02392: iptables is not netfilter you moron |
| 18:35.23 | xoz | befghh: check if /etc/init.d/networking restart works |
| 18:35.31 | xoz | befghh: try it inside kde |
| 18:35.31 | RainbowW | deed02392: you are trying to solve a problem a) you don't have b) in a stupid way. further questions on this topic should be directed to your VPS provider. |
| 18:35.38 | AimHere | cliper, saying stuff 'doesn't work' is so common a problem that there's a canned bot response especially for people who do that. |
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| 18:35.45 | befghh | yes I will try to restart it from KDE |
| 18:35.52 | befghh | thanks for the tips |
| 18:35.52 | nsadmin | if you want a recommendation, write your full list of requirements into a text file, upload that to a pastebin site |
| 18:35.55 | befghh | see you |
| 18:36.05 | AimHere | cliper correct response is to rephrase 'doesn't work' to something with more information |
| 18:36.14 | cliper | yah I know, I apologize. but then, could you please make a simple recommendation? like is it best to install the .deb files from virtualbox? or I have to install from 1.6.6 and upgrade? |
| 18:36.18 | xoz | befghh: and check using ifconfig to know if have ip address |
| 18:36.33 | nsadmin | "doesn't work" doesn't work |
| 18:36.36 | cliper | yah AimHere, please cut the crap. |
| 18:36.36 | deed02392 | iptables requires a kernel that features the ip_tables packet filter, therefore the presence of iptables implies i have the necessary modules in the kernel |
| 18:36.56 | jelly-home | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 18:36.57 | judd | virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.6-dfsg-3; sid: 3.1.8-dfsg-1 |
| 18:37.00 | xoz | cliper: .deb files form virtualbox is ok. it is self contained binary file |
| 18:37.06 | befghh | ok I'll try that too, can understand why I didn't try it my self |
| 18:37.12 | jelly-home | cliper: 1.6.6 is horribly outdated |
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| 18:37.49 | poisonbit | xoz, ifconfig--, ip addr show++ (root Vs plain user, one IP Vs multiple IPs) http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/getipsfor-interfacename/ |
| 18:37.54 | cliper | jelly-home: yah, :) tried backporting to 3.1 but didn't work for me. |
| 18:38.18 | jelly-home | cliper: even that version in lenny-backports is outdated. If you don't mind non-free software, use Innotek^WSun^WOracle's package |
| 18:38.24 | cliper | xoz: ok, :) but its too different with OSE right? |
| 18:39.00 | nsadmin | "doesn't work" is ok in a cocktail party but it carries ZERO INFORMATION |
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| 18:39.12 | xoz | cliper: you can read the difference in their website. it may ask you to download your kernel source header because it needs to recompile some modules |
| 18:39.22 | xuser | deed02392: you seem to know it all, carry on then |
| 18:39.58 | cliper | jelly-home: ahh.., ok, well I'll install it now. |
| 18:40.02 | deed02392 | i just want a firewall installed, and i'm pretty sure I don't need to contact my provider. is that so much to ask? |
| 18:40.13 | RainbowW | deed02392: yes. |
| 18:40.14 | cliper | xoz: yah.. thanks :) |
| 18:40.28 | deed02392 | why? |
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| 18:40.42 | cliper | wonder what "non-free" means. lol, might be a trial version |
| 18:40.45 | RainbowW | because you are trying to solve your problem using a completely incorrect approach. |
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| 18:41.03 | jelly-home | !tell cliper about dfsg |
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| 18:41.45 | xoz | poisonbit: you have multiple ips? |
| 18:41.49 | deed02392 | and you know my problem better than me RainbowW? |
| 18:41.58 | RainbowW | deed02392: in this case, yes. |
| 18:42.01 | poisonbit | in some places yes |
| 18:42.07 | poisonbit | firewalls mostly |
| 18:42.09 | deed02392 | how can you be so certain |
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| 18:42.43 | xoz | poisonbit: i noticed you used perl when cut command is much simpler to extract columns :) |
| 18:42.57 | cliper | ahhh, wow thanks jelly-home |
| 18:42.59 | RainbowW | because it appears that i have considerably more experience running internet-facing servers than you do. |
| 18:43.01 | deed02392 | i know i need control over incoming and outgoing packets, and i know i'd rather not rely on perfectly setting up every single service on my server and having future updates not cause any security issues |
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| 18:43.28 | deed02392 | and you don't use a firewall on any of those internet facing servers? |
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| 18:44.17 | RainbowW | i do, and i control only the ports that i need to control -- two ports (5601 and 5606). the rest of the system either a) is supposed to be open and internet-facing or b) doesn't run at all. |
| 18:44.32 | bze | managed to put APT into some kind of dependency loop |
| 18:44.36 | jelly-home | deed02392: if you don't need an externally visible smtp server, all you have to do is configure it to only listen on localhost interface. In debian, exim4-daemon* and postfix and possibly other smtp server packages have that as a preconfigured simple option |
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| 18:44.42 | Nazral | does someone has the T91MT ? |
| 18:45.11 | deed02392 | jelly-home, it's not just that, it's other services too |
| 18:45.19 | RainbowW | a blanket firewall will introduce unintended consequences. for example: if you will be running an ftp server, you will need to leave a block of ports open for it to use. if you don't, your users will be unable to to use ftp, and you will be unable to figure out why. |
| 18:45.30 | bze | managed to screw up dropbox installation and it screwed up something in the dependencies |
| 18:45.46 | RainbowW | you will then need to configure your ftp server to use only those ports, and THEN hope you have enough ports open that you'll be able to accomodate the number of users you'll have. |
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| 18:45.58 | jelly-home | deed02392: oh, that's a different issue, I only read some 20 minutes of the backlog |
| 18:46.13 | deed02392 | i'm not running an ftp server, i'm going to be using sftp, and i will be the sole person sending and receiving files, the only other users of the server won't need access to anything other than 80 and 443 |
| 18:46.38 | RainbowW | then you don't need to be running services other than apache and something like nullmailer. |
| 18:46.51 | poisonbit | deed02392, sorry, what is your original issue? |
| 18:47.00 | jelly-home | RainbowW: connection tracking and stateful filtering option in iptables take care of that example of yours |
| 18:47.02 | deed02392 | i need memcached and sphinx for the web server to use |
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| 18:47.28 | deed02392 | poisonbit, the original issue is that APF won't install on the VPS I have, because it doesn't like the virtual network interface |
| 18:47.51 | deed02392 | now I'm trying to install KISS firewall, but it can't find the ip_tables kernel module apparently |
| 18:48.04 | jelly-home | deed02392: are you able to load kernel modules at all with this vps solution? |
| 18:48.07 | RainbowW | jelly-home: yeah. he wants a blanket firewall that will do everything for him, including, i imagine, block access to port 22, which will be amusing. however, he doesn't have control of his kernel. |
| 18:48.15 | wols | jelly-home: openvz... |
| 18:48.24 | deed02392 | jelly-home, i have access to insmod, so I'm assuming I do |
| 18:48.24 | RainbowW | we have pointed him to his VPS provider for kernel support and he has declined that option. |
| 18:48.33 | jelly-home | deed02392: if it's openvz, you don't |
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| 18:49.08 | poisonbit | modprobe -l | grep netfilter | wc -l <-- 139 modules on a debian kernel |
| 18:49.26 | RainbowW | he is not using a debian kernel. |
| 18:49.29 | jelly-home | poisonbit: being able to load them is another question |
| 18:49.57 | poisonbit | man modprobe |
| 18:50.15 | poisonbit | maybe -v says something |
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| 18:50.31 | karbonize | Hello, I recently moved to Sqeeze from Lenny. However, in Squeeze Gnome seems to be missing a lot of files viz : themes etc. Is there a way to get full-gnome experience like Lenny? |
| 18:50.45 | deed02392 | i get 0 poisonbit |
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| 18:51.04 | poisonbit | deed02392, then userspace will not work, it is not compiled |
| 18:51.10 | jelly-home | poisonbit: if I must spell it out, merely having a command available doesn't mean it will work. In a jail-like vps (openvz or vserver), it won't |
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| 18:51.28 | poisonbit | and modprobe -l should list them |
| 18:51.45 | deed02392 | it doesn't it says No such file or directory |
| 18:51.52 | RainbowW | karbonize: start with aptitude install gnome |
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| 18:52.08 | RainbowW | karbonize: you may have a subset package installed. |
| 18:52.09 | jelly-home | deed02392: contact your provider about firewalling options your vps has |
| 18:52.35 | deed02392 | They never reply, that's why I really want to avoid relying on them for support |
| 18:52.36 | karbonize | RainbowW: Which was what my guess, I installed KDE the other day & it seems to have installed properly |
| 18:52.45 | RainbowW | deed02392: then get a new provider. |
| 18:52.53 | karbonize | RainbowW: Thank you, I'll try that! |
| 18:53.13 | jelly-home | deed02392: this isn't a Debian issue any more really, if you provider is unresponsive, perhaps you should heed RainbowW's advice |
| 18:53.18 | deed02392 | I was told Carat was reliable. Who's a good alternative? |
| 18:53.44 | poisonbit | karbonize, to see a list of packages of the default gnome lenny install, use: tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 18:53.48 | RainbowW | goooooooogle. plenty of message boards with that kind of question asked and answered. |
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| 18:55.09 | karbonize | poisonbit: Will do that too |
| 18:55.09 | RainbowW | karbonize: poisonbit has a point, re tasksel. the install you want may include features not included in the gnome metapackage. |
| 18:55.25 | deed02392 | I'll send them one last message |
| 18:55.42 | deed02392 | Until then I'll make a start on setting up other services |
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| 18:56.57 | deed02392 | i'm not an idiot. i've had a kimsufi box for well over a year and I've learned all sorts about debian and networking in that time |
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| 18:57.16 | xoz | karbonize: use apt-file search <file/themes> to know the packages containing them. |
| 18:57.21 | deed02392 | i've even recompiled the kernel to add support for running virtual machines on it |
| 18:57.52 | deed02392 | VPS seems to be a whole other kettle though, but just because I want to do things perhaps an 'easier' way, don't assume it's because I'm stupid |
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| 18:58.52 | poisonbit | is this issue (change/modify/kernel) documented in the contract you purchased ? |
| 18:59.09 | deed02392 | I wasn't even presented with a contract |
| 18:59.16 | poisonbit | ouch |
| 18:59.17 | deed02392 | It's only a cheap $25 a month VPS |
| 18:59.37 | xoz | in a brain research, people learns more effectively by making mistakes... so experimenting new ideas and getting mistakes is a part of great learning process. so deed02392, keep playing with your ideas... |
| 18:59.48 | MoMo | when i boot my pc -- it comes up with a console in which i have to login -- then run startx to launch kde -- I would like it ideal when the pc boots i can hit 1 if i want console login or 2 if i want kde to go ahead and start |
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| 18:59.59 | MoMo | fyi -- putting startx in rc.local -- no good! |
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| 19:00.35 | poisonbit | MoMo, add a param to boot line |
| 19:00.46 | poisonbit | then parse /proc/cmdline in rc.local |
| 19:00.57 | wols | MoMo: that's what displaymanagers are for |
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| 19:01.22 | zfra | I am trying to set my scaling_governor to 'ondemand', I've tried as wols suggested 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor', but this doesn't work, either 'conservative', just works for 'userspace', 'powersave', otherwise will be in 'performance' mode, wich is annoying because the fan is always at full speed. |
| 19:02.02 | wols | zfra: what's your hardware again? |
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| 19:03.09 | poisonbit | MoMo, think again on the same... you need to login to startx, or maybe modify your /etc/inittab |
| 19:03.15 | zfra | wols: thanks again!, http://paste.debian.net/74395 |
| 19:03.19 | RainbowW | MoMo: kdm? |
| 19:04.05 | poisonbit | you can't add "startx" to /etc/rc.local, that requires login, you can only put that in your user environment (.bashrc, etc) |
| 19:04.18 | wols | zfra: for stuff like this the model of your notebook is more important |
| 19:04.43 | poisonbit | anyway, any amachine that can runs kde, can move kdm too yes |
| 19:04.46 | MoMo | hmm |
| 19:04.56 | RainbowW | MoMo: kdm is what you want. |
| 19:05.06 | zfra | wols: dell inspiron 1000 |
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| 19:05.35 | refefer | Hey guys, i'm trying to install vim-full but it appears to be missing in lenny. What am I missing? |
| 19:05.38 | arezey | how does one start alsa? |
| 19:05.39 | cliper | jelly-home: still there? |
| 19:05.46 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 19:06.14 | poisonbit | refefer, aptitude show vim-ful <-- read the description |
| 19:06.22 | poisonbit | vim-full |
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| 19:06.37 | abrotman | refefer: check your sources.list |
| 19:06.43 | xoz | refefer: change you apt-get source.list |
| 19:06.59 | RainbowW | (poisonbit wins this one guys) :) |
| 19:07.30 | xoz | just installed it in lenny to check... |
| 19:07.38 | cliper | jelly-home: hehe, anyways, got VM started but dont have any idea how to continue installing the guest OS now since I can't see it in the terminal. :) do I have to use VNC? |
| 19:07.44 | RainbowW | in lenny vim-full is a transitional package that has been elimited in later versions. |
| 19:08.00 | RainbowW | eliminated |
| 19:08.32 | refefer | RainbowW, is there a solution? (aptitude show vim-full fails) |
| 19:08.43 | xoz | transitional package from vim-full to vim-gnome |
| 19:08.49 | RainbowW | refefer: vim-gnome |
| 19:09.14 | refefer | I'll give it a try, thanks! |
| 19:09.40 | zfra | http://paste.debian.net/74396 |
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| 19:10.34 | xoz | cliper: installing remotely? |
| 19:10.41 | refefer | Hmm, it appears the package is missing? I assume it's a matter of a missing source? |
| 19:11.00 | RainbowW | refefer: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:11.01 | xoz | refefer: try a different source |
| 19:11.39 | cliper | xoz: yup |
| 19:11.51 | xoz | cliper: then VNC maybe. |
| 19:12.10 | cliper | ok, :) I have to enable Remote Display of that VM first right? |
| 19:12.21 | xoz | cliper: im not sure it has console/text-based install |
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| 19:13.15 | cliper | like VBoxManage modifyvm <vmname> -vrdp on |
| 19:13.54 | cliper | I just installed virtualbox using .deb files and make VM, then started it in headless mode. :) |
| 19:13.57 | nsadmin | you could install the base using debootstrap and try to start that in a vm |
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| 19:14.33 | xoz | yah, a good idea to use debootstrap |
| 19:15.02 | nsadmin | is this virtualization one where it boots a separate kernel? |
| 19:15.07 | refefer | Ah excellent, fixed the source and its working. I appreciate it guys, thanks. |
| 19:15.07 | xoz | or you can even manually copy your host linux to your vbox |
| 19:15.18 | wols | nsadmin: how can you use debootstrap? |
| 19:15.34 | nsadmin | to install from an existing linux |
| 19:15.43 | nsadmin | ok, so there's no existing linux? |
| 19:15.45 | wols | nsadmin: existing where? to where? |
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| 19:15.47 | wols | xoz: copy where? |
| 19:15.50 | xoz | mount the disk of vbox |
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| 19:16.10 | wols | can linux mount vdi files? |
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| 19:16.32 | wols | and why would you want to when vboxmanage can do everything normally, as it should? |
| 19:16.34 | RainbowW | cacti under lenny: where does cacti store its rra files? i can't find them, and the faq on broken graphs indicates checking this directory |
| 19:16.43 | pbn | Hi there, I think I've just found a nasty bug in pidgin. This is pidgin 2.6.5 in Debian "testing". Since I've upgrade to KDE 4.4.3 it fails to connect. I have to do, with every account Account > <account name> > Disable then Account > Enable <account name> ... any idea ? |
| 19:16.49 | nsadmin | if he's already running a linux host, he could make partitions and mount them, chroot, and go from there |
| 19:17.18 | wols | or he could read the fine vbox manual and use vboxmanage for everything as the developers intended |
| 19:17.28 | xoz | wols: why dont you just suggest immediately. you sound like trying to show us you are really GOOD. a sign of insecurity. if you want to help. HELP> |
| 19:17.50 | xoz | wols: dont be a sissy. we are trying to suggest ideas. |
| 19:18.22 | RainbowW | pbn: check bts? |
| 19:18.30 | nsadmin | "insecurity" is a word used by medical professionals,,, do you really want to use that? |
| 19:18.44 | xoz | nsadmin: any suggestions? |
| 19:18.57 | nsadmin | I made mine :) |
| 19:19.33 | jelly-home | cliper: dunno, I use the GUI client when setting up stuff, then use headless when it works |
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| 19:20.23 | nsadmin | I suggest not assuming a medical condition, becasue if you do that kind of thing as a matter of habit, pretty soon it will be to someone who likes to hire lawyers... |
| 19:20.54 | nsadmin | and I don't care to speculate beyond that point |
| 19:21.05 | jelly-home | I'm not sure a sane, well rounded person would spend time to provide help here anyway |
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| 19:21.39 | wols | to install on a headless vbox, you use either rdp/vnc or you install it somewhere else and copy the vdi file over. both woth |
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| 19:21.42 | wols | *work |
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| 19:22.01 | xoz | don't mean it that way... i guess we are just trying to help... otherwise, if our main objective here is other than that, debian is not a place for us. |
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| 19:22.29 | wols | gpm: first identify to services, THEN join channels |
| 19:22.32 | jelly-home | xoz: speak for yourself. My main point is getting ego points! |
| 19:22.46 | xoz | jelly-home: haha |
| 19:22.49 | wols | strokes jelly-home's ego |
| 19:22.58 | jelly-home | yeah baby |
| 19:23.09 | xoz | will sleep now. too much ego points already :) |
| 19:23.17 | wols | gpm: otherwise everyone knows you hide behind c-24-23-242-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] |
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| 19:23.23 | nsadmin | leggo muh ego! |
| 19:23.32 | wols | runs for the disinfectant |
| 19:23.40 | wols | who knows what this jelly-home guy carries |
| 19:24.00 | nsadmin | jelly! |
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| 19:24.31 | gpm | wols: is there a way to tell irssi config to do that? |
| 19:24.45 | nsadmin | don't automatically join channels |
| 19:24.48 | gpm | wols: (short of not auto-joining channels) |
| 19:24.50 | gpm | lol |
| 19:24.52 | wols | gpm: waith a 2nd or two before joining channels |
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| 19:24.54 | nsadmin | at least for now |
| 19:24.58 | gpm | weak |
| 19:25.11 | nsadmin | that's your decision then :) |
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| 19:25.56 | wols | gpm: like this: /^msg nickserv identify gr0mbaz0r;wait -debian 2000" |
| 19:26.16 | gpm | nice password |
| 19:26.32 | gpm | why the carat before msg? |
| 19:26.48 | wols | no clue. I use some irssi tutorial years back |
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| 19:28.04 | gpm | wols: that's your autosendcmd? |
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| 19:28.13 | wols | yes |
| 19:28.57 | karbonize | Hello, I posted a question here a while ago about Gnome-desktop. When I tried installing 'gnome' synaptic complains that - "libpython2.6: Depends: python2.6 (=2.6.5-1) but 2.6.5-2 is to be installed" How do I downgrade to python 26.5-1 without also breaking other packages? |
| 19:29.15 | RainbowW | karbonize: lenny? |
| 19:29.25 | jelly-home | ,versions python2.6 |
| 19:29.25 | judd | python2.6 -- squeeze: 2.6.5-1; sid: 2.6.5-2 |
| 19:29.33 | karbonize | RainbowW: upgraded from Lenny to squeeze |
| 19:29.54 | nsadmin | maybe the upgrade isn't completed |
| 19:30.16 | jelly-home | karbonize: wait a few days for the relevant packages to migrate to testing |
| 19:30.51 | jelly-home | karbonize: also, care to pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libpython2.6 python2.6 |
| 19:32.14 | jelly-home | karbonize: and the complete output of whatever you did with synaptic, not just that one line. If synaptic only shows that one line, try installing it with aptitude command line instead |
| 19:34.10 | karbonize | jelly-home: Output of 'apt-cache policy libpython2.6 python2.6' - http://pastebin.com/30h1ieF7 |
| 19:34.12 | jargon- | so i'm trying to build a customized debian and i'm told it's best to use debian live. i want to start of without any desktop environment, which do i download from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_alpha1/i386/ ? |
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| 19:34.53 | jhutchins | karbonize: This is also something that happens when the available packages aren't ready for release yet - hence testing. |
| 19:35.24 | karbonize | jhutchins: Yes, I am aware of risks using Testing |
| 19:35.27 | jhutchins | jargon-: We usually recommend doing a minimal install from the netinstall CD. |
| 19:35.40 | jhutchins | !tell jargon- about install guide |
| 19:36.34 | jhutchins | jargon-: Also, squeeze is testing, not what you want for a production system. |
| 19:36.47 | jargon- | jhutchins: i installed debian-504-i386-netinst.iso before i heard about debian live. is that what u mean? |
| 19:36.56 | pbn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.57 | jargon- | jhutchins: it's not going to be production |
| 19:37.40 | jhutchins | jargon-: live is a bootable CD, you can also build a custom live image. What are you after? |
| 19:38.11 | jhutchins | ,versions libpython2.6 |
| 19:38.11 | judd | libpython2.6 -- squeeze: 2.6.5-1; sid: 2.6.5-2 |
| 19:38.15 | RainbowW | pbn: if you think you've found a bug, the first place to look is bts to see if it's been reported. |
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| 19:39.49 | nsadmin | and at at least the same priority, look at your own system to make sure the package database is correct... if not, the bug info would be skewed by problems you may be having on your own system |
| 19:39.53 | jargon- | jhutchins: basically i want to build something that uses Awesome WM by default, python2.6, mpd+ncmpcpp, doesn't have certain default apps,instead has others. etc |
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| 19:40.50 | crzedmonk | I am having problems, my flash will not work but I get sound any ideas? |
| 19:41.18 | cliper | it seems that I can't connect to my VM remotely using Mircrosoft RDP client and TightVNC.. In my showinfovm It says, VRDP Connection: not active |
| 19:41.19 | cliper | Clients so far: 0 |
| 19:41.29 | karbonize | jelly-home: Please wait, while I type out all errors by synaptic |
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| 19:41.57 | cliper | I use my host ip-address.. :) I configure my VirtualBox as bridged |
| 19:42.01 | jargon- | jhutchins: lower case directory names,and so on |
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| 19:45.20 | jhutchins | So what's wrong with what you have so far? Are you trying to build a custom live CD, or just a regular installation? |
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| 19:46.01 | jargon- | jhutchins: live cd would come later. for now, a custom installation |
| 19:46.33 | nsadmin | maybe FAI would be of service |
| 19:46.35 | jhutchins | Just start with what you've got. Use aptitude to install Awesome, which should pull in X. |
| 19:46.58 | jargon- | jhutchins: ok cool. thanks :) |
| 19:47.11 | jhutchins | jargon-: Unless you REALLY really need 2.6, you're better off learning the ropes with Lenny before you jump t squeeze. |
| 19:47.33 | jargon- | jhutchins: got it |
| 19:47.39 | jhutchins | jargon-: People here can sometimes help with squeeze, but a lot of us haven't made the move yet and it's not officially supported. |
| 19:48.53 | jargon- | jhutchins: i think i'll go as far as i can,if i'm stuck and can't get help, then i'll try it with lenny |
| 19:48.53 | cliper | now I got it, my problem now is that when I connect to the server using RDP, it doesnt ask for a password! |
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| 19:52.17 | karbonize | jelly-home: Synaptic output - http://pastebin.com/37ziSBEB |
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| 19:55.04 | karbonize | jelly-home: Output of 'aptitude install gnome' - http://pastebin.com/qATHdRSK |
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| 19:58.00 | BlackFate | Random Fortune: Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Unknown source |
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| 19:59.24 | nsadmin | a source is a source of course of course... |
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| 20:01.11 | karbonize | I almost read it as - 'A source is a source of curse, of course' :-P |
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| 20:02.35 | karbonize | Someone suggested this for ubuntu - 'sudo apt-get install python2.5-minimal=2.5.2-2ubuntu4.1 python2.5=2.5.2-2ubuntu4.1' |
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| 20:02.50 | karbonize | Can something similar be done on Squeeze? |
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| 20:03.49 | wols | why didn't you try? |
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| 20:05.21 | karbonize | wols: because I don't have ubuntu repos & hence ubuntu python (I could be wrong) |
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| 20:07.58 | nosepicker | Hi, I'm trying to use different locale without language translation, could I please get any tips how to do so |
| 20:09.21 | nosepicker | Only available choices are et_EE.UTF-8 and et_EE.8859-15, but I want to keep system in English language |
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| 20:10.58 | crzedmonk | is there a way to get root permissions in gnome? |
| 20:11.42 | jargon- | crzedmonk: su? |
| 20:11.52 | AimHere | gksu? |
| 20:11.55 | crzedmonk | that is in terminal |
| 20:12.02 | AimHere | gksu isn't |
| 20:12.03 | crzedmonk | I am talking in the gui |
| 20:12.31 | jargon- | crzedmonk: what AimHere said |
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| 20:13.33 | crzedmonk | hmm |
| 20:13.37 | crzedmonk | that might work |
| 20:15.21 | RainbowW | yay. new bug. <security hole. sigh> 582691 |
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| 20:17.06 | wols | karbonize: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 20:18.13 | crzedmonk | AimHere: How do I use gksu I just installed it |
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| 20:18.54 | AimHere | WOuld 'man gksu' tell you how to invoke it? |
| 20:19.05 | jaggz | why in the world is ftp ls/dir so slow outside of my lan? |
| 20:19.06 | AimHere | I can't remember, it's so long since I used it for anything. |
| 20:19.45 | jaggz | it connects very fast, but both vsftpd and wu-ftpd take a very long time to return the results outside the lan |
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| 20:21.40 | Relativ3 | Hey guys. Does anyone know if it's safe to browse through an ssh tunnel? (Like, http'ing through ssh-tunnel) |
| 20:21.56 | fbh | sure |
| 20:22.05 | fbh | you can use the -D flag and use it as a socks proxy |
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| 20:22.21 | Rienzilla | Relativ3: whgat would be ubnsafe about it? |
| 20:22.23 | pallgone | Relativ3: how do you mean |
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| 20:22.37 | Relativ3 | Yeah. I just want to make sure the data is sent (unencrypted I presume) to the server to which I am ssh'ing to. And then securely sent back to me, right? |
| 20:22.53 | fbh | Relativ3: All SSH communication is encrypted |
| 20:23.06 | Rienzilla | the data between your machine and the machine you're ssh'ing to is encrypted |
| 20:23.10 | Rienzilla | from there, it's probably not |
| 20:23.22 | Relativ3 | From there it doesn't matter much. Just wanted to make sure. :-) |
| 20:23.25 | Rienzilla | hehe |
| 20:23.34 | Rienzilla | some people should not see that/what you're browsing? :) |
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| 20:23.58 | Relativ3 | Well it's nothing bad. But I just hate the fact that my ISP is forced (by dutch laws) to safe my data for atleast 6 months. :-) |
| 20:24.07 | Rienzilla | ah yes that sucks |
| 20:24.13 | Relativ3 | And well. Only few sites have SSL enabled. :-) |
| 20:24.28 | fbh | Then you should look into some VPN solution instead |
| 20:24.37 | Relativ3 | (Well, few sites I visit). I'm happy Google finally enabled SSL for the main site (at least beta). |
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| 20:24.56 | fbh | By just proxying over SSH you will not encrypt or hide e.g. DNS traffic |
| 20:25.12 | pallgone | Relativ3: Oh, I heard in germany the judges ruled that it's illegal to save the data... now they are not allowed to to it anymore... |
| 20:25.26 | pallgone | Relativ3: *do |
| 20:25.32 | Relativ3 | pallgone, my server is located in germany. ) |
| 20:25.37 | wols | fbh: and with that dns traffic alone "they" have a very very good idea what you are doing |
| 20:26.00 | wols | pallgone: no one here trusts that |
| 20:26.14 | crzedmonk | hmm |
| 20:26.23 | pallgone | wols: trusts what? you think they will continue saving the data? |
| 20:26.24 | fbh | wols: At least they can see which lookups are made and it gives kind of the idea |
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| 20:26.36 | crzedmonk | I am so confused I am trying to drop a plugin in my iceweasel directory and it will not let me |
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| 20:26.41 | crzedmonk | gg gnomem I lose |
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| 20:27.54 | Relativ3 | fbh, A good point indeed. I'll look into VPN software (I assume it'll cloak DNS lookups?) :-) |
| 20:28.58 | ayi | Hi, I am running Debian on a QNAP ARM machine. I have taken measures to minimize disk access to the HD. I am also monitoring disk access using atop. The HD can be spun down using hdparm -Y, and will remain in this state as long as I don't manually access any files on the drive. However, the hdparm -S flag for setting an automatic spindown timer to e.g five minutes does nothing. It never spins down automatically. Is this common at all? |
| 20:28.59 | fbh | Relativ3: Having your OS to route all traffic that way, also DNS will be routed that way |
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| 20:29.26 | Relativ3 | fbh, but then. I could also instruct my Gnome to use the SSH tunnel, right? |
| 20:29.49 | Relativ3 | Alright. Its not a perfect solution since it'll make it impossible to ssh in the first place lol. |
| 20:30.08 | Relativ3 | fbh, I get your point. I'll look into it. :-) |
| 20:30.11 | wols | pallgone: the data retention infrastructure is already there. it had to be |
| 20:30.11 | fbh | Relativ3: I don't know tbh. I suppose you could set up tunnels for port 53 and then set your resolv.conf to use that, but the VPN solution is better, that way you can be sure all traffic goes that way |
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| 20:30.45 | Relativ3 | fbh, yeah, I'll look into it. Thanks (And all the others for their comments) !:) |
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| 20:31.09 | fbh | Relativ3: May I recommend OpenVPN, or if you don't want to mess around with it yourself, you can look at ivacy.com - their VPN service works pretty damn good. I use it when in Singapore |
| 20:31.11 | wols | Relativ3: it all depends how you set everything up |
| 20:31.29 | Relativ3 | fbh, I'll look into OpenVPN that is. :-) |
| 20:31.30 | jaggz | I'm trying to mount a remote debian directory locally on a win7 machine.. what's a "secure" way of doing this? |
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| 20:31.40 | jaggz | s/"//g |
| 20:31.44 | pbn | RainbowW: yeah I know, I just thought the bug was "well known". Anymay I'm gonna browse the BTS :) |
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| 20:32.09 | Relativ3 | wols, true. But I really do not feel like changes all my settings (here on my local computer - I tend to reinstall once in a while, change Linux distro, etc). |
| 20:32.32 | wols | Relativ3: ssh in where? |
| 20:32.45 | djura-san | o/ |
| 20:32.46 | Relativ3 | Relativ3, I ssh to my server, if that's what you meen? |
| 20:32.54 | fbh | Now this is what happens when not using VPN in Singapore. Not only do they log, but also control: http://cloudho.st/i/WRVkYVlA.png |
| 20:33.21 | wols | Relativ3: that will still work |
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| 20:33.58 | Relativ3 | Hmmm... fbh, I hate such governments, really - where's the freedom? :0 |
| 20:34.07 | fbh | missing |
| 20:34.08 | cab00m | hello |
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| 20:34.46 | Relativ3 | wols, I suppose if I set Gnome up to the socks (ssh tunnel). And I restart, I guess I couldn't start an ssh session (since it'll try to tunnel it) right? Or is my assumption wrong? (Or am I misunderstanding you?). |
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| 20:34.52 | fbh | Relativ3: And to laugh a bit more, they have prevented access to some of the major VPN providers :p |
| 20:35.11 | Relativ3 | Just like they do in china? Blocking sites. :| |
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| 20:35.46 | fbh | Relativ3: Yes, that's not just in china. Porn is directly illegal in Singapore |
| 20:36.14 | Relativ3 | fbh, I'm glad the Dutch government does not hijack any sites I like to visit. They only register domainnames which contain swear words (http://godverdomme.nl - as example) . |
| 20:36.40 | fbh | lol |
| 20:37.04 | Relativ3 | fbh, gosh - I wouldn't know where I would be without it. Haha ;P |
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| 20:37.53 | fbh | Relativ3: I'm from Denmark and here the major ISP's only block a very few pirate pages and child porn. |
| 20:38.05 | Relativ3 | "This domain name has been registered for the Government of the Netherlands." as in SIDN was ordered to, haha. |
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| 20:38.20 | fbh | Relativ3: And the block is made with DNS, so it can just be bypassed |
| 20:38.21 | Relativ3 | fbh, yeah. I would assume that in Holland they also block child porn. I'm not sure about pirate pages though. |
| 20:38.41 | Relativ3 | fbh, do they try to hijack the sites or just nullroute it? |
| 20:38.45 | pallgone | fbh: but with openvpn you need to have a server to connect to... |
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| 20:39.17 | fbh | pallgone: Yeah, but I have the impression that Relativ3 has a server he can set it up on |
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| 20:39.35 | fbh | Relativ3: Nope, they just block in DNS and point it to some police page that states why this particular page has been blocked. |
| 20:39.57 | pallgone | fbh: yeah, but he can also use ssh to tunnel :) |
| 20:40.35 | fbh | pallgone: Sure, but that will work as a SOCKS proxy. In that case a lot of apps will need to be configged for that, with VPN everything goes that way easily |
| 20:40.37 | Relativ3 | fbh, yeah, I assume they simply changed the DNS records? |
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| 20:41.42 | fbh | Relativ3: They just made the recursive DNS cluster answer authoritatively (damn.. hard word) for those exact domains.. So like they just create a zonefile for somechildpornsite.com and point the A for * to their own IP. |
| 20:42.15 | fbh | They could enforce it by blocking port 53 access to the outside world, but that would cause a looot of trouble for people running local DNS.. And windows freaks with an AD at home |
| 20:42.22 | Relativ3 | fbh, yeah. That's what I ment (just tried to say it simply. Cause in english I tend to make things difficult to understand (one of my flaws lol)). :-) |
| 20:42.36 | Relativ3 | fbh, AD ? |
| 20:42.41 | fbh | Active Directory |
| 20:43.00 | Relativ3 | Oh, I once hear that word before at school I believe, lol. |
| 20:43.19 | fbh | Yes, I know several people that has a freaking AD at home. And I have no idea for what. |
| 20:43.35 | Relativ3 | That's for user management and stuff right? Samba and stuff? |
| 20:43.53 | Relativ3 | If it's not, please leave me in suspens (unknowningness ftw). |
| 20:44.14 | wols | Relativ3: if you set a VPN up to your server and then ssh to that server it simply goes through the vpn and then to your server. you can still connect |
| 20:44.24 | wols | and incoming ssh sessions to you will connect just as before too |
| 20:44.28 | fbh | A lot of stuff really, but user management is a big part of it yeah, then they can control client computers from the AD, push software to clients via group policies and such.. but still, who needs that at home? :p |
| 20:44.37 | Relativ3 | wols, yeah. |
| 20:45.11 | Relativ3 | fbh, exactly. Then again who needs windows at home.. But let's not go into that (since I think even I can come up with a few reasons). |
| 20:45.26 | Relativ3 | wols, yeah, I think I misunderstood you. I'm currently looking into OpenVPN. :-) |
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| 20:45.45 | fbh | I don't do gaming, so I can't come up with a single reason :P |
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| 20:46.27 | edju | Is /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases supposed to have two lease entries for wlan0? They're not identical. |
| 20:46.38 | Relativ3 | well fbh, I once tried to shove Linux on my mom's PC. Well I still regret that day, I didn't even had time to poweron my own machine because she kept telling me "How do I do this?" and well, she wasn't quite happy. :P |
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| 20:47.04 | Relativ3 | My point is, some users are better off with Windows unless someone else (then me) is willing to help them. hehe |
| 20:47.21 | fbh | Relativ3: She was used to windows. If she had started - at the beginning, with Linux it'd have been easier |
| 20:47.53 | fbh | Then give them a Mac :p |
| 20:47.58 | fbh | Can't be any easier |
| 20:48.59 | Relativ3 | fbh, I tried that (or atleast suggested it) and well the answer was 'NO'. A friend once showed her Mac, and well... Let's say, she didn't liked it for a bit. I wish she was less static... |
| 20:49.42 | jaggz | how can remote ftp take 10 to 15 seconds for a single dir command? |
| 20:50.11 | fbh | Relativ3: It was easy to get my parents to switch: Either that or you can get help else where. |
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| 20:51.03 | Relativ3 | fbh, haha, I could say that. But I think I can guess the answer 'Its either that or you'll cook your own dinner' |
| 20:51.04 | Relativ3 | xd |
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| 20:51.26 | fbh | haha, well I already cook my own dinner, so that's not an issue for me :D |
| 20:51.37 | Relativ3 | Hehe :'P, Not living @ parents? |
| 20:52.35 | Relativ3 | fbh, not living @ parents?:-) |
| 20:52.36 | fbh | No :p |
| 20:52.45 | Relativ3 | ah. Great. I'm still 16 :-{ |
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| 20:54.30 | Relativ3 | fbh, Anyways, I will be returning shortly. Nice speaking to you all :-) |
| 20:54.37 | Relativ3 | And of course, all others which have helped me. :-) |
| 20:54.51 | Relativ3 | all the others *. |
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| 21:15.09 | RainbowW | how can i change the amount of root-reserved space on a partition from 5% to something lower, like .25%? |
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| 21:19.52 | lk | RainbowW, if it's ext3, tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sdXY. |
| 21:20.07 | lk | Where 1 is the percentage you want reserved. |
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| 21:23.27 | poisonbit | RainbowW, I haven't benchmarked it, but some poeple claims that lower % than default, increase fragmentation at long run |
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| 21:26.02 | DanDare | I upgraded VB and now my Debian guest wont show me eth0, it dissapeared |
| 21:26.09 | eikenberry | It should only increase fragmentation if you use it up... ext3 starts having fragmentation issues once it starts getting full. Even just > 80% can start to show an effect. |
| 21:26.28 | Bushmills | indeed, some tests indicate that 5% is already quite low# |
| 21:27.13 | DanDare | It have anything to do with updating guest additions ? |
| 21:28.00 | Bushmills | (means, those 5% are not only put aside for root when fs runs full, but actively and transparently used during normal operations) |
| 21:28.58 | vlt | DanDare: What is VB? |
| 21:29.21 | DanDare | vlt, well im sorry... im just at wrong channel, nvm |
| 21:29.28 | vlt | DanDare: Debian uses /etc/udev/rules.d to store |
| 21:29.31 | vlt | ... ok |
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| 21:32.41 | aibo | hi, any way to move back from etch to sarge? |
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| 21:36.41 | Bushmills | restore backup |
| 21:36.48 | aibo | don't have |
| 21:36.49 | rudi_s | !tell aibo about downgrade |
| 21:37.03 | aibo | I just need to downgrade base system |
| 21:37.06 | Bushmills | tough feces |
| 21:38.32 | eikenberry | aibo. backup data, wipe system, reinstall sarge, restore data. |
| 21:38.49 | aibo | is it the only way? |
| 21:39.44 | poisonbit | I think the dpkg bot has a factoid about downgrades, but don't remember well |
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| 21:45.39 | oxi | hi |
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| 21:46.09 | oxi | what's the common practice to push deployments to a debian server, when you're behind a http/https proxy? |
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| 21:50.12 | RainbowW | oxi: are the debian machines behind the proxy? |
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| 21:50.26 | oxi | RainbowW: yes |
| 21:50.43 | RainbowW | oxi: multiple debian boxen to update? |
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| 21:50.57 | oxi | RainbowW: for now only one |
| 21:51.20 | oxi | I've seen some tutorial to setup apache & mod_proxy <-> ssh |
| 21:51.35 | RainbowW | so you're wanting to administer from the other side of the proxy? |
| 21:51.42 | oxi | I've also seen that in combination with re-routing |
| 21:51.54 | oxi | RainbowW: exactly |
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| 21:52.07 | RainbowW | oxi: oh. no clue. i'd open a hole in the firewall on 22. |
| 21:52.09 | oxi | I haven't seen any easy example where https was used |
| 21:52.24 | oxi | RainbowW: I can't open holes :-) |
| 21:52.42 | RainbowW | you have no control over this proxy? |
| 21:52.43 | do0ob | hi |
| 21:52.47 | oxi | RainbowW: and just rerouting 22 <-> 80 won't do the trick |
| 21:52.55 | do0ob | is it possible to increase the weight of fonts slightly, i'm having trouble reading them |
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| 21:53.01 | oxi | RainbowW: nope, I have no control over it |
| 21:53.15 | RainbowW | oxi: then there probably is no "easy" way to do what you want. |
| 21:53.24 | do0ob | its not the size of the font, the screen resolution is high and each letter is made up of a 1px wide line, which is too small |
| 21:53.30 | RainbowW | do0ob: display settings somewhere, but where depends on which wm you're using. |
| 21:53.50 | oxi | I see 3 possabilities: 1) tunnel scp through ssh through http or https 2) try use webdav 3) set up a POST servlet/cgi/... |
| 21:54.19 | oxi | RainbowW: but I don't know how good practice those 3 are |
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| 21:54.27 | do0ob | RainbowW: kwin |
| 21:54.39 | oxi | maybe a POST to https using curl sounds fine |
| 21:54.48 | RainbowW | oxi: neither do i. i know if i caught you attempting something like that through my firewall, i'd show you what a real firewall looks like. |
| 21:55.03 | oxi | but a POST will only move data from A to B and will not deploy any kind of package |
| 21:55.40 | RainbowW | oxi: you'd need something like, say, a java thing running on the server, accessible over 80, that will then ssh into your machine. good luck keeping it secure. |
| 21:55.44 | oxi | RainbowW: yeah, exactly, .... "a real firewall should prevent me from doing 1, 2 and 3 :-) |
| 21:56.33 | RainbowW | do0ob: couldn't tell ya. there's a control panel somewhere. |
| 21:56.47 | oxi | RainbowW: that's exactly the point .... about my question of good practice .... :-) ... because I was also thinking how could I keep that secure ... so that it really is good practice |
| 21:56.50 | oxi | :-) |
| 21:56.56 | oxi | thanks RainbowW |
| 21:57.21 | RainbowW | oxi: there isn't any way you could go the easier route and perhaps enlist the cooperation of your firewall admin? they could make your life LOTS easier |
| 21:57.53 | RainbowW | oxi: you could probably do it with a browser certificate authentication system of some sort, but i have no idea how to go about creating one. |
| 21:58.00 | deed02392 | Is there any reason why I might be missing /etc/rc.status? |
| 21:58.19 | simonrvn | it's not redhat |
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| 21:58.54 | deed02392 | I've followed this: http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/InstallFromSource |
| 21:59.12 | deed02392 | i'm at the point of setting up an init script |
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| 21:59.39 | oxi | RainbowW: I fear it would be easier to punch a hole into the firewall than discussing this in the coorporation :-) ... further I've came across this several times and I thought I'd find a solution now to finally have that solved, independently of which company I'm at and what firewall kungfu they are doing |
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| 22:00.30 | RainbowW | oxi: then perhaps a java applet that gives you console access, combined with a browser certificate authentication system, eg, where you must create the certificate on the server and then manually import it into the browser |
| 22:00.42 | RainbowW | i have used such systems before |
| 22:00.46 | RainbowW | tho i have never administered one |
| 22:01.35 | oxi | RainbowW: yeah, true, some SSL VPN might do the trick, but those have their quirks and you most probably have to buy a hardware appliance if you want a good solution, .... like Juniper or Barracuda or Cisco or Checkpoint |
| 22:01.53 | oxi | RainbowW: a Java applet is a good idea |
| 22:02.12 | oxi | I might create a java applet that creates a https tunnel using certificates |
| 22:02.15 | oxi | sounds great |
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| 22:03.04 | oxi | from that point on the usual way is to scp a deb into a temp dir and rpm it, right? |
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| 22:03.25 | oxi | I have never really thought about if that's good practice or not |
| 22:03.52 | oxi | sure, debian has apt and aptitude for pull |
| 22:03.55 | RainbowW | well i meant, the a java applet that presented you a console on your end and on the back end was an ssh client. you'd then put that on a web server on the debian box, and use certificate authentication via facilities in apache. you wouldn't want to bother writing java authentication |
| 22:04.27 | oxi | but I thought there might also be some kind of server based tool to push stuff to it, without scp |
| 22:04.43 | oxi | RainbowW: ah, that's also a good idea |
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| 22:05.06 | RainbowW | pushing through the proxy is yet more hassle, i.e., you'd have to do like a java sftp client as well, that's silly |
| 22:05.16 | RainbowW | once you're into the shell, you can pull whatever you need |
| 22:05.37 | oxi | exactly |
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| 22:05.47 | oxi | okay, I agree |
| 22:05.51 | RainbowW | alternative: cron job that checks a semaphore at a predetermined trusted location -- an off-site web server -- and if exists, downloads and executes a tarball with a script |
| 22:05.57 | oxi | RainbowW: thanks a lot for sharing! |
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| 22:06.14 | oxi | ah, that's also a good idea, I never thought about using a cron for that |
| 22:06.31 | RainbowW | if you need to load stuff, load up the tarball, optionally with encryption (public key outside the firewall, private key on the debian box) |
| 22:06.50 | oxi | yeah, right, and add some sh1 |
| 22:07.05 | RainbowW | your check script will reject anything that doesn't decrypt/md5, possibly with your own public key signature (public key on the debian box, private key outside) |
| 22:07.12 | RainbowW | so the box knows that the tarball must come from you |
| 22:07.15 | oxi | sounds great |
| 22:07.18 | oxi | thanks for the ideas |
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| 22:15.51 | rfranknj | hey, i just setup a new comp; trying to use this amd sb850 raid to setup raid0. i setup the hardware raid and when i booted into debian setup it detected the two drives separately instead of as a single raid drive.. what would be the reason for this? |
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| 22:16.40 | RainbowW | incorrect setup on hardware raid. |
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| 22:17.07 | RainbowW | debian knows what the raid card reports. if the raid card says there are two drives, there are two drives. |
| 22:18.09 | rfranknj | alright i figured that. in the raid setup it clearly says i have a raid0 volume setup, though.. |
| 22:18.48 | wols | rfranknj: you don't have hardware raid. don't use it |
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| 22:20.02 | wols | rfranknj: unless your mainboard costs > 200$ and uses registered DIMMS, you have no hardware raid |
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| 22:21.08 | RainbowW | better to make yourself a small root partition, say 15g? on your boot drive, and do lvm on the remainder |
| 22:21.28 | RainbowW | lvm tastes great, less filling, AND it's cheap |
| 22:22.06 | rfranknj | wols: it was about 160 and there's a raid setup where i can select raid type and setup volumes nshit |
| 22:22.34 | wols | rfranknj: you have no hardware raid. you have fakeraid. and nothing you say will change the SB850 capabilities |
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| 22:22.46 | rfranknj | wols: i don't know what fakeraid is |
| 22:22.48 | wols | there are no hardware raid chips on any consumer boards like yours |
| 22:22.53 | wols | !fakeraid |
| 22:22.54 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 22:23.18 | wols | the only readon to use dmraid is if you need to dualboot on that raid. |
| 22:23.25 | wols | *reason |
| 22:23.37 | RainbowW | it probably requires some stupid windows driver. like an rpi modem, only worse. |
| 22:23.56 | rfranknj | huh |
| 22:23.58 | rfranknj | well, that's lame |
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| 22:27.54 | rfranknj | wols: well, thanks for the tip .. that blows |
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| 22:32.36 | latenite | hi I am looking for a chanel to aks some questions about "abcde"... where can I do that? |
| 22:32.48 | RainbowW | #sesamestreet? |
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| 22:34.15 | stealth- | I've installed portmap and nfs, however port 111 is closed.... I'm pretty sure that's why things aren't working. Any ideas? |
| 22:35.33 | xx1 | nice one RainbowW |
| 22:35.57 | xx1 | have you started portmap, stealth- ? |
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| 22:36.17 | stealth- | yeah, xx1, it claims it's already running |
| 22:36.35 | xx1 | is it? |
| 22:37.08 | stealth- | Oh, I might have found the problem.... |
| 22:37.39 | stealth- | http://pastebin.org/268119 |
| 22:37.53 | stealth- | Could that ^ stop portmap from operating on 111? |
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| 22:38.19 | Appetite | i have a whole bunch of files without extensions, and i want to rename them to .log extensions, how should i do this? they are being registered by lighttpd as type appliaction/octet-stream even though they are plaintext |
| 22:38.54 | stealth- | Also, xx1, pstree | grep portmap shows its running |
| 22:39.06 | xx1 | stealth-: yes, you are rejecting 111 |
| 22:39.36 | xx1 | apelgate: try some thing like this: for i in `ls`; do mv $i $i.log; done |
| 22:40.04 | stealth- | xx1: Ahh, I thought so. A while back I didn't know what 111 did and didn't feel comfortable having it open... I'm not familiar with iptables, so I don't suppose you know how to fix that off the top of your head? |
| 22:40.11 | Appetite | xx1: is lighttpd seeing it as application/octet stream because it doesn't have an extension? it contains only plaintext |
| 22:40.12 | stealth- | If not, I'll just go read the manpages |
| 22:40.40 | xx1 | stealth-: you can flush iptables |
| 22:41.15 | xx1 | Appetite: i don't know |
| 22:41.29 | xx1 | an extension doesn't mean anything |
| 22:41.48 | xx1 | semantically |
| 22:41.59 | Appetite | yeah, that's why i dont know what the problem is xx1 |
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| 22:42.37 | xx1 | stealth-: use your favorite firewall tool to modify iptables |
| 22:42.43 | xx1 | or just flush |
| 22:42.50 | stealth- | xx1: I got it figured out. Thanks for the help :) |
| 22:43.06 | xx1 | good |
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| 22:54.22 | guysoft42 | hi all, is there a way to tell debian to reinstall all packages? i think my filesystem got damaged and some files are missing |
| 22:54.52 | beardy | !reinstall |
| 22:54.53 | dpkg | well, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 22:55.32 | guysoft42 | beardy, i tried to do that with synaptic, but i get dependency cycle errors all over |
| 22:56.15 | beardy | guysoft42: Before you try something like that, try to identify which files/packages that are damaged. Also use aptitude for package management instead. |
| 22:56.29 | wols | guysoft42: debsums should help |
| 22:56.48 | guysoft42 | wols, how might i use debsums for this? |
| 22:57.04 | wols | to identify what is corrupted? |
| 22:57.32 | guysoft42 | wols, yes, never heard of that tool in the contex of damage detection |
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| 22:59.16 | guysoft42 | debsums -s -a 2> /tmp/broken.log just saw this somewhere , might it do? |
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| 23:00.29 | beardy | guysoft42: The manual will explain what the options do, read it before running, but probably. |
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| 23:11.01 | compaq | abrotman, hi sir, I wish to inform you that I have confirmed compiz runs on debian with the intel video card, whereas this same video card is blacklisted with compiz on Ubuntu |
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| 23:13.29 | jargon- | how do i check hardware info via cli? |
| 23:13.45 | beardy | jargon-: What kind of hardware? |
| 23:14.12 | jargon- | beardy: RAM type. is it DDR, SDRAM etc |
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| 23:14.16 | beardy | !whats my hardware |
| 23:14.16 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
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| 23:14.42 | beardy | !myram |
| 23:14.42 | dpkg | [myram] install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools package, modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed informaiton. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS information. |
| 23:14.48 | beardy | :) |
| 23:15.50 | jargon- | beardy: thank you! |
| 23:16.03 | beardy | jargon-: You're very welcome. |
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| 23:17.44 | jargon- | it's SDRAM. damnit. |
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| 23:18.51 | compaq | what is the best of those command to find out what kind of socket mother board you have? |
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| 23:19.21 | RainbowW | there isn't a command to tell you that. you need to know your motherboard's model number and then google a ref, unless you can eyeball it. |
| 23:19.31 | beardy | compaq: 'lshal | grep smbios' and then check the model specs on the web I guess. |
| 23:20.03 | beardy | compaq: Also 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
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| 23:20.23 | steampunkey | ok, don't laugh: i have two usb sticks and no hdd. can i mount these two to look like continous chunk of memory (capacity of sda1 + capacity of sda2) and then write a big file to where they're mounted, so that it's written on both, where one stick would contain a part of the file and the other the rest of it? |
| 23:20.24 | Arrowmaster | or use the cpu info to find out the socket, they usually dont make the same cpu in more than one socket |
| 23:20.40 | steampunkey | *continuous |
| 23:20.48 | beardy | !lvm |
| 23:20.48 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:20.52 | beardy | Perhaps. |
| 23:20.57 | steampunkey | *and sdb1 |
| 23:21.07 | beardy | steampunkey: That was for you. |
| 23:21.15 | steampunkey | beardy: checking out, thx. |
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| 23:22.27 | steampunkey | beardy: wiki says it can do it. |
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| 23:23.09 | beardy | steampunkey: Yes I'm sure it can. It might be a bit tedious to set up if it's only temporary though, but well, you'll learn something. :) |
| 23:23.15 | banginthisbox | god I love Debian! |
| 23:23.32 | compaq | yep Debian rules |
| 23:23.37 | steampunkey | beardy: hehe. |
| 23:24.08 | banginthisbox | you realize it when you gotta fix ur buds windows box |
| 23:24.39 | banginthisbox | I just whip out my trusty live disc... |
| 23:24.58 | steampunkey | compaq: judging by nick, "realname", what he said, the fact that he's not registered on FN, and the recurring troll theme, i'd say this is a (same) troll. |
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| 23:26.23 | banginthisbox | baddabing baddaboom..and the look on their faces when it boots without any drivers is priceless!!! |
| 23:26.34 | compaq | hmmm, no cairo-dock? |
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| 23:30.01 | banginthisbox | steampunk....whoose a troll? |
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| 23:32.11 | RainbowW | does anyone speak cacti? my bandwidth graph in the default view is at 5 minutes, but when i click through i can see a 1 minute graph. i'd like the default view to be 1 minute. |
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| 23:33.44 | alyos | when will 2.6.34 hit testing? |
| 23:34.03 | anli_ | Will cdrecord write a boot record to a dvd? |
| 23:34.04 | ham5 | hits when its ready |
| 23:34.18 | RainbowW | anli_: in theory, yes. |
| 23:34.23 | anli_ | I burned a debian installation iso but I cannot boot on it |
| 23:34.26 | banginthisbox | steampunky whats a matter ? |
| 23:34.35 | anli_ | boot up with it |
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| 23:35.20 | RainbowW | anli_: if it was a stock dvd iso, that's probably not cdrecord. what happens when you try? |
| 23:35.50 | Bushmills | alyos: when 2.6.34 is deemed fit for testing |
| 23:36.32 | banginthisbox | did you check the disc? |
| 23:36.37 | anli_ | RainbowW: disk boot failure |
| 23:36.42 | alyos | thanks for the helpfull answers. let me paraphrase: how long does it usually take till a new kernel version hits testing? |
| 23:36.43 | anli_ | how do I check it? |
| 23:36.56 | anli_ | I look on it with nautllus |
| 23:36.57 | banginthisbox | hash |
| 23:36.59 | anli_ | nautilus |
| 23:37.00 | anli_ | aha |
| 23:37.27 | anli_ | nope, I did not check if the iso had the correct md5 sum |
| 23:37.33 | zcat[1] | anli_: the boot record will be in the iso, cdrecord only writes an iso as-is to a cd or dvd .. something like mkisofs will put the boot record into the ISO first |
| 23:37.36 | banginthisbox | yup check |
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| 23:39.10 | zcat[1] | easiest way to check md5sums btw is just generate an md5sum and then paste that into google, if ou get any results at all then it matches 'somebody's disk. If it's a bad download it will almost certainly not match anything else and you get no results |
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| 23:39.33 | banginthisbox | good advise |
| 23:39.35 | zcat[1] | .. click one of the results to find out what it actually matches ;) |
| 23:40.23 | zcat[1] | 'cos there's also a chance you clicked the wrong link and downloaded the PPC version or something... |
| 23:40.23 | anli_ | So writing an iso using cdrecord is a two step action? |
| 23:40.33 | RainbowW | anli_: no. |
| 23:40.43 | zcat[1] | anli_: writing an iso is one-step |
| 23:40.44 | anli_ | look what zcat[1] wrote |
| 23:40.49 | anli_ | aha |
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| 23:41.04 | anli_ | I misunderstood that then |
| 23:41.05 | zcat[1] | anli_: if you already have the ISO then you don't need to concern yourself with how one is created |
| 23:41.06 | banginthisbox | lol rclik burn image |
| 23:41.13 | compaq | compiz has a feature a like, the scaling when you point to the top right corner. But the intel driver doesn't work very well with compiz, so I was wondering is there another way to turn on scaling without compiz? |
| 23:41.16 | anli_ | zcat[1]: true :) |
| 23:41.34 | anli_ | ok, now the question remains, how can it not be bootable :) |
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| 23:41.54 | banginthisbox | md5 is right? |
| 23:42.00 | RainbowW | anli_: it might not be bootable if you downloaded a bad image. |
| 23:42.04 | zcat[1] | what's the ISO you're trying to burn? |
| 23:42.11 | anli_ | its http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:42.12 | banginthisbox | post the md5 |
| 23:42.16 | anli_ | must check |
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| 23:43.16 | anli_ | wonder where those checksums are |
| 23:43.19 | zcat[1] | also if you're in gnome just right-click the iso file in nautilus and select burn to disk, or open in brasero |
| 23:43.44 | anli_ | trying to burn in nautilus then |
| 23:43.50 | anli_ | wonder if I shall hope |
| 23:43.51 | zcat[1] | anli_: open a terminal and type md5sum debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:44.08 | anli_ | zcat[1]: 96d01d5f287c93d252c0ad73006b5ab8 |
| 23:44.14 | zcat[1] | best to find out if the md5 is right before you waste a pile of disks. |
| 23:44.17 | compaq | hi, how do you edit metacity settings? |
| 23:44.32 | anli_ | hm, can try to search for that string in google |
| 23:44.36 | RainbowW | anli_: that's the calculated md5? |
| 23:44.40 | zcat[1] | Yes, that md5 is good |
| 23:44.43 | anli_ | ah, yeah |
| 23:44.46 | anli_ | I googled it |
| 23:44.50 | anli_ | searching for 96d01d5f287c93d252c0ad73006b5ab8 |
| 23:44.53 | RainbowW | ok. so reburn. |
| 23:45.01 | anli_ | that still makes me think |
| 23:45.10 | anli_ | Hm, can I md5sum the dvd btw? :) |
| 23:45.16 | banginthisbox | you got it from the disc not the net right? |
| 23:45.17 | RainbowW | anli_: no. |
| 23:45.30 | zcat[1] | also try burning at less than full speed, perhaps 12x or even lower? Some drives don't like 'fast burns' |
| 23:45.31 | anli_ | I got the md5sum from the iso |
| 23:45.41 | banginthisbox | k |
| 23:45.45 | RainbowW | reburn the disc, slower this time, and go on with your life. |
| 23:45.48 | anli_ | cdrecord was free to pick |
| 23:45.49 | RainbowW | you have a bad burn, that's all. |
| 23:45.51 | banginthisbox | slowest |
| 23:45.56 | anli_ | ok |
| 23:46.04 | zcat[1] | you can md5sum /dev/dvd |
| 23:46.10 | anli_ | isnt a dvd holding the iso image unaltered btw? |
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| 23:46.14 | banginthisbox | tcheck bios also |
| 23:46.17 | anli_ | zcat[1]: trying that |
| 23:46.25 | banginthisbox | for boot from disc |
| 23:46.50 | RainbowW | bruce almighty. reburn the stupid thing. you're talking a disc that costs 50 cents if you buy it wildly overpriced. |
| 23:46.59 | banginthisbox | hehe |
| 23:46.59 | zcat[1] | sometimes the disk gets null-padded if the original ISO didn't end on a full block, so the md5 can be different. |
| 23:47.20 | banginthisbox | discs are not all good anyway |
| 23:47.27 | banginthisbox | always duds |
| 23:47.33 | anli_ | doing md5sum /dev/sr0 |
| 23:47.53 | anli_ | zcat[1]: maybe the md5sum isnt _that_ different then ;) |
| 23:48.59 | anli_ | ok, its the same md5 sum |
| 23:48.59 | anli_ | When I was md5sum /dev/sr0 |
| 23:48.59 | banginthisbox | hes gotta check the disc not the iso |
| 23:48.59 | anli_ | I did |
| 23:48.59 | zcat[1] | OK, so BIOS is set to boot from cd/dvd drive? Can you boot any other bootable disks? |
| 23:48.59 | anli_ | yes |
| 23:48.59 | RainbowW | reburn. the. stupid. thing. if you'd done that when i first suggested it, you'd be done by now. |
| 23:49.08 | anli_ | hm, must check, time to check if the dvd reader is ok |
| 23:49.15 | anli_ | hm, maybe its only a cd :) |
| 23:49.22 | banginthisbox | lol |
| 23:49.23 | anli_ | wonder if it can handle dvds |
| 23:49.25 | anli_ | hahahaha |
| 23:49.34 | RainbowW | <facepalm> |
| 23:49.39 | banginthisbox | needs master drive |
| 23:49.43 | anli_ | hehe |
| 23:49.45 | zcat[1] | Hmmm, yes.., you can't boot a bootable DVD in a CD drive ;) |
| 23:49.46 | banginthisbox | lol |
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| 23:50.09 | banginthisbox | or even as a slave dvd drive |
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| 23:50.17 | anli_ | the text on the unit failed to tell me whether its a cd or dvd reader |
| 23:50.24 | banginthisbox | lmao |
| 23:50.28 | anli_ | It cant be that old |
| 23:50.38 | banginthisbox | didnt you burn it in it? |
| 23:50.44 | anli_ | nope |
| 23:50.48 | banginthisbox | ahh |
| 23:50.48 | zcat[1] | BTW that is a CD-size image, why would you burn it to a DVD? |
| 23:50.48 | anli_ | on another system |
| 23:50.57 | anli_ | zcat[1]: I only have dvds |
| 23:50.59 | banginthisbox | hehe |
| 23:51.02 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:51.05 | anli_ | good reason? :) |
| 23:51.06 | banginthisbox | doh |
| 23:51.15 | banginthisbox | it wont work |
| 23:51.25 | zcat[1] | well it should still work, but you will only be able to read it in DVD drives... |
| 23:51.25 | anli_ | lg 52x32x52x |
| 23:51.35 | zcat[1] | that is NOT a DVD drive! |
| 23:51.36 | beardy | would have dotted too a couple of years ago, but he has only dvds too.. |
| 23:51.40 | anli_ | zcat[1]: lol |
| 23:51.55 | anli_ | how stupid |
| 23:52.05 | beardy | would have used a usb stick instead though |
| 23:52.10 | RainbowW | sends anli_ to the corner with the pointed cap on. What's that word? <dunce> |
| 23:52.27 | anli_ | How can I assume that I had such a stupid customer |
| 23:52.28 | simonrvn | hell i have the 52x24x52x version and i would never think of doing that.... |
| 23:52.38 | banginthisbox | i used a floppy to do it |
| 23:52.41 | anli_ | hehe |
| 23:52.50 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:52.50 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 23:53.18 | banginthisbox | remove drive |
| 23:53.53 | banginthisbox | had to do ibm 560e like that |
| 23:54.09 | simonrvn | with a punch card reader? |
| 23:54.15 | beardy | I'd love to have a USB dot matrix printer. |
| 23:54.19 | banginthisbox | had no drives or usb |
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| 23:54.39 | simonrvn | that would be rather trippy |
| 23:54.57 | banginthisbox | took all day |
| 23:55.23 | banginthisbox | but sarge ran sweet on it |
| 23:55.30 | simonrvn | with a punch card reader? |
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| 23:56.06 | beardy | Epson has a bunch apparently. |
| 23:56.24 | beardy | Without punch card readers that is. |
| 23:57.21 | simonrvn | usb dot matrix? |
| 23:57.23 | compaq | where is the gnome settings panel? |
| 23:57.37 | banginthisbox | sarge ran on it w/just 8 megs ram |
| 23:57.47 | simonrvn | on your hard drive |
| 23:58.11 | rfranknj | can someone give me the dpkg help thing about non-free radeon firmware |
| 23:58.14 | anli_ | can I use cdrecord to write to a usb stick? :) |
| 23:58.38 | rfranknj | anli_: o_O why would you want to do that |
| 23:58.40 | beardy | simonrvn: Yeah. USB 1.1 and paralell port. |
| 23:58.45 | banginthisbox | no |
| 23:58.48 | anli_ | because I am not a friend of dd |
| 23:58.48 | zcat[1] | anli_: use unetbootin or similar? |
| 23:58.57 | simonrvn | beardy: neato |
| 23:58.58 | anli_ | ah, thats nice |
| 23:59.09 | zcat[1] | !info unetbootin |
| 23:59.13 | banginthisbox | dd is ez |
| 23:59.15 | beardy | anli_: You use dd. |
| 23:59.25 | anli_ | I use unetbootin, its nice |
| 23:59.31 | RainbowW | dd if=<iso> of=<device> |
| 23:59.32 | zcat[1] | I would not use dd, does that work? |
| 23:59.35 | RainbowW | why is that hard? |
| 23:59.40 | anli_ | dd is a hack |
| 23:59.41 | dpkg | unetbootin: (installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive), section utils, is optional. Version: 442-1 (sid), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 720 kB |
| 23:59.41 | beardy | Aslong as you don't use cdrecord. |
| 23:59.50 | banginthisbox | yes dd is the best for me |
| 23:59.55 | zcat[1] | I would def. not use cdrecord ;) |
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