IRC log for #debian on 20100511

`00:00.30`	`GhostlyDeath`	`Lns: x-session-manager -> gnome-session`
`00:00.36`	`slidesinger`	`samsung 4521F, which I have been using for three years with no prior issues related to printing.`
`00:01.56`	`GhostlyDeath`	`slidesinger: Has this happened before on the same system?`
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`00:06.54`	`slidesinger`	`GhostlyDeath: No, and I just checked, it is only this system and only iceweasel. Very odd. Do you think that creating a new mozilla profile might help?`
`00:07.09`	`GhostlyDeath`	`slidesinger: Don't know`
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`00:07.27`	`slidesinger`	`GhostlyDeath: I have two other systems on the network that use the same printer with no issues, now that I have checked them.`
`00:07.40`	`slidesinger`	`GhostlyDeath: I will let you know.`
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`00:10.35`	`therealpxc`	`how does one install packages "as dependencies" using apt-get or aptitude?`
`00:10.41`	`slidesinger`	`GhostlyDeath: The answer is no. There was no change with a new profile.`
`00:11.01`	`themill`	`therealpxc: what do you mean?`
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`00:11.21`	`S1kx`	`whats a good VM solution for debian where i dont have to boot into a specifically compiled kernel or so?`
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`00:11.26`	`S1kx`	`i only wanna run 1 windows VM`
`00:12.07`	`therealpxc`	`themill: I'm backporting a package from a newer version of Ubuntu for Intrepid, which is still running on an old VPS of mine. I need to install the build dependencies manually. I want to be able to "autoremove" them afterward`
`00:13.03`	`PiraRX`	`S1kx, VirtualBox is a good one`
`00:13.15`	`themill`	`therealpxc: (a) man aptitude covers this (b) the ubuntu people may have their own preferred way of doing this, so please ask in #ubuntu not #debian.`
`00:13.54`	`themill`	`(or more precisely, don't ask in both places at the same time and stick to #ubuntu)`
`00:14.20`	`S1kx`	`PiraRX: thanks`
`00:14.50`	`PiraRX`	`;)`
`00:15.02`	`therealpxc`	`lol k. I understand that cross-posting it was a bit rude. But generally, the Ubuntu channel is a bit more flooded, and the packaging system is still entirely the same. I'm actually already flipping through the man pages, but I haven't found what I'm looking for yet`
`00:15.06`	`GhostlyDeath`	`slidesinger: Maybe you could try different DPI settings, instead of 300 maube 600`
`00:15.10`	`therealpxc`	`now that I know it's there, I won't stop looking. Thanks :-)`
`00:15.20`	`GhostlyDeath`	`slidesinger: Just use draft mode unless you like wasting ink`
`00:15.41`	`GhostlyDeath`	`I just set an 8x8 font in the terminal, always been wondering how to do such a thing`
`00:15.46`	`GhostlyDeath`	`more lines of text now`
`00:16.01`	`therealpxc`	`(in case anyone cares, or this chat is logged somewhere, it's aptitude's "[un]markauto" commands" that do this)`
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`00:16.42`	`themill`	`therealpxc: you can do it at install time too. See &M.`
`00:16.47`	`grummund`	`Hmm, any netcat experts here? I'm expecting this to wait 30s but it returns immediately: echo test \| nc -q 30 server.com 80`
`00:16.52`	`HIDEO`	`that's okay, debian people know where to find the manuals`
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`00:17.13`	`GhostlyDeath`	`grummund: Maybe the connection was refused`
`00:17.19`	`slidesinger`	`GhostlyDeath: 300 dpi is draft on this printer. Toner save is on. So far 10 pages as I killed the print job where I discovered this.`
`00:17.22`	`therealpxc`	`themill: beautiful. thanks! :-)`
`00:17.48`	`grummund`	`GhostlyDeath: i'm running nc in listen mode at the other end, so no. :)`
`00:18.03`	`GhostlyDeath`	`grummund: broken pipe?`
`00:18.12`	`grummund`	`hmm, how so?`
`00:18.21`	`GhostlyDeath`	`echo terminates after it prints the text`
`00:18.31`	`GhostlyDeath`	`thus it closes it's end of the pipe`
`00:19.04`	`grummund`	`root@localhost:~# echo test > test.txt`
`00:19.04`	`grummund`	`root@localhost:~# nc -q 30 gprs.trimerix.co.uk 6000 < test.txt`
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`00:25.59`	`j00lalia`	`http://eulalia.pastebin.com/3mkFxe41 Anyone know what might've caused this? o_O`
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`00:28.30`	`STF`	`hi`
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`00:28.54`	`STF`	`has some one of you expieriences to build adchpp under debian?`
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`00:30.11`	`simonrvn`	`!anyone use`
`00:30.11`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
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`00:31.06`	`STF`	`use anyone of you a adc able dc++hub?`
`00:31.14`	`foxmulder`	`dpkg, do you ever give a non-smart-ass reply?`
`00:31.14`	`dpkg`	`refuses to do you ever give a non-smart-ass reply`
`00:32.52`	`aixenv`	`anyone have some feedback on where im going wrong with this command? its not returning what i'd like`
`00:32.55`	`nevyn`	`foxmulder: dpkg being written by antisocial freaks tends to emulate their interpersonal skills.`
`00:32.59`	`nevyn`	`;)`
`00:33.02`	`simonrvn`	`foxmulder: never, nope`
`00:33.04`	`aixenv`	`find . -type f -mtime -10 -not -iregex '.*\.(avi\|mpg\|jpg\|mov\|mp4\|gif\|png\|mpg\|rar\|psd\|tif\|flv)' -print0 \| xargs -r0 ls -lah`
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`00:33.43`	`simonrvn`	`s,dpkg,dpkg's factoids,`
`00:34.20`	`foxmulder`	`I guess I'll ignore him then...`
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`00:37.17`	`j00lalia`	`Anyone know why apt-get -f install is trying to remove over 4,000 packages? http://eulalia.pastebin.com/3mkFxe41`
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`00:40.20`	`puff`	`Having a problem with ssh, I think it's on the server end. It prompts me for a password, then just gives me a line of dashes, no files are uploaded: http://linux.pastebin.com/0itCbdfH`
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`00:41.09`	`frostschutz`	`puff: do you have a bashrc or profile that outputs stuff for non interactive shells?`
`00:41.15`	`puff`	`I restarted sshd on the server with "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart", it said it oculdn't find the old process. I checked "ps -ef \| fgrep -i sshd" and there's a process now, but still the same result.`
`00:41.46`	`devious`	`j00lalia: Did you remove anything recently (and if so, what).`
`00:41.56`	`puff`	`frostschutz: I'm not sure what you mean. I could try re-running the command, with -v.`
`00:42.45`	`j00lalia`	`devious, removed and reinstalled gnome-keyring and mono-2.0-devel`
`00:42.49`	`PhilDick`	`I installed debian squeeze from CDs without going online. It didn't setup the repositories. I think I've got the basic ones setup, but not volatile. I'm looking for a overview of the debian repositories and versions, but am having a surprisingly hard time finding one on debian web page or wiki... can anyone point me in the right direction?`
`00:43.58`	`puff`	`http://linux.pastebin.com/ncqeQ7V2`
`00:44.16`	`gewt`	`you're going it wrong.`
`00:44.42`	`simonrvn`	`!volatile`
`00:44.42`	`dpkg`	`Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.`
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`00:44.58`	`simonrvn`	`!mirrors`
`00:44.58`	`dpkg`	`debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt \| ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> \| to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.`
`00:45.07`	`simonrvn`	`PhilDick: ^^^`
`00:45.23`	`simonrvn`	`you'll want a security one too`
`00:45.45`	`simonrvn`	`/msg the bot for that, i've spammed the chan enough already ;)`
`00:46.19`	`simonrvn`	`('security' is what you'll want to ask for)`
`00:47.23`	`PhilDick`	`deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib`
`00:47.39`	`PhilDick`	`deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free`
`00:47.45`	`simonrvn`	`thought for lenny you should have lenny`
`00:47.56`	`devious`	`j00lalia: did you pull those from a non-standard repo? It looks like glibc is a later version then in lenny.`
`00:48.00`	`simonrvn`	`there is no volatile for squeeze`
`00:48.02`	`PhilDick`	`that's what I have now. I installed squeeze`
`00:48.19`	`PhilDick`	`simonrvn: thanks. there was a comment on the Volatile page that made me unsure...`
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`00:48.37`	`simonrvn`	`that should be ok, though you should pick a mirror close to you geographically`
`00:49.01`	`simonrvn`	`np`
`00:49.15`	`kowna`	`i numeric keypad is not responding after a recent upgrade. where is the problem?`
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`00:50.17`	`kowna`	`sorry/i/my`
`00:50.27`	`PhilDick`	`OK... I think I can find a description of the various version/branch (i.e. main/testing contrib/non-free) etc...`
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`00:51.56`	`puff`	`Anybody have any idea what's going wrong, here? http://linux.pastebin.com/ncqeQ7V2`
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`00:52.52`	`Chocolate`	`j00lalia, uFail'd sir`
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`00:54.59`	`frostschutz`	`puff: if that user has a custom ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile it could be that (must not generate any output if it's not interactive)`
`00:55.05`	`frostschutz`	`puff: apart from that, no idea`
`00:55.11`	`puff`	`Ah, mh.`
`00:55.18`	`puff`	`Yeah, actually that makes sense.`
`00:55.31`	`puff`	`I added a simple one-line invocation to my .bashrc to print a selection of quotes from a file.`
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`00:59.50`	`aixenv`	`n/m i got it`
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`01:00.03`	`karter`	`what is the deal with java and debian?`
`01:00.32`	`j00lalia`	`devious, got them from packages.debian.org`
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`01:00.40`	`karter`	`http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=sun-java5`
`01:00.55`	`puff`	`frostschutz: Thanks, that was the problem.`
`01:00.57`	`karter`	`I have to pay someone to get that ?`
`01:01.50`	`karter`	`anyone ?`
`01:01.54`	`jordanm`	`karter: no, its free cost, it just isn't completely free. There are restrictions on what you are allowed to do with it`
`01:01.58`	`jordanm`	`!dfsg`
`01:01.59`	`dpkg`	`DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses`
`01:02.09`	`devious`	`j00lalia: Ermm... so you installed them with dpkg instead of apt?`
`01:02.15`	`jordanm`	`karter: anything that does not meet the DFSG is considered "non-free"`
`01:02.24`	`j00lalia`	`devious, yes, apt wasn't listing them`
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`01:02.57`	`jordanm`	`karter: also, you likley want java6`
`01:03.05`	`karter`	`ok`
`01:03.08`	`puff`	`jordanm: I thought sun fixed that, last year, with the new license.`
`01:03.17`	`icebrain`	`there's openjdk`
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`01:03.35`	`icebrain`	`it's DFSG approved, afaik`
`01:03.40`	`nevyn`	`java is gpl`
`01:03.46`	`puff`	`karter: free as in speech, not as in beer.`
`01:03.49`	`icebrain`	`!openjdk`
`01:03.49`	`dpkg`	`OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net.`
`01:03.51`	`nevyn`	`gpl3`
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`01:04.07`	`nevyn`	`hrm`
`01:04.12`	`nevyn`	`oh the jdk not so much`
`01:04.18`	`karter`	`willl that work ?`
`01:04.36`	`icebrain`	`karter: works for every desktop java app I have`
`01:04.42`	`jordanm`	`karter: it will in most cases but there are some things where it will not`
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`01:05.08`	`karter`	`i want to run jetty - should I use the openjdk or the sun thing?`
`01:05.28`	`foxmulder`	`Always go for OpenJDK.`
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`01:06.00`	`karter`	`ok`
`01:06.24`	`puff`	`I'm guessing the missing stuff is from the sun.* packages, which means it was all non-standard to begin with.`
`01:07.20`	`puff`	`Ah, webstart is missing from openjdk.`
`01:07.39`	`jordanm`	`karter: if one does not work you can always switch to the other by installing it, then running: update-java-alternatives`
`01:08.47`	`puff`	`karter Based on on this, it sounds like not much important is missing: http://www.quantenblog.net/free-software/openjdk-debian`
`01:09.38`	`devious`	`j00lalia: Well, from the looks of things you got libc6 from testing installed. Are you running a mixed stable/testing system?`
`01:09.48`	`puff`	`karter: Also, based on the bit about it meeting the j2se spec, I'd be surprised if jetty had problems.`
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`01:11.16`	`jordanm`	`!tell j00lalia about bat`
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`01:13.58`	`icebrain`	`puff: the icedtea plugin is a gpl alternative to web start`
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`01:18.27`	`karter`	`ok`
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`01:22.32`	`_Maru_`	`some guy is sshed to my box... how do i see what he's doing?`
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`01:23.52`	`tome`	`simple ways: ps? tail -f .bash_history (or whatever shell)?`
`01:23.56`	`tome`	`no doubt there are better`
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`01:24.06`	`superjet_busy`	`_Maru_: w`
`01:24.07`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: Or tail /var/log/messages`
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`01:27.08`	`zcat[1]`	`didn't there used to be a tty-snoop program?`
`01:27.15`	`mattgirv`	`Yeah there is.. rootsh i think`
`01:27.43`	`mattgirv`	`logs keystrokes and output to a file.`
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`01:28.10`	`_Maru_`	`hmmm tail -f .bash_history show nothing and /var/log/messages I donno how to read but the ip isn't in there XD`
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`01:28.28`	`zcat[1]`	`no, more than that.. back in the dialup bbs days I had something that was like 'screen' -- I could see the same thing the shell user was seeing.`
`01:28.31`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: Why do you have public SSH connections without any form of monitoring?`
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`01:28.37`	`pngwn`	`_Maru_, does the guy have an account on your box?`
`01:28.40`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: http://rootsh.sourceforge.net`
`01:28.43`	`Dewi`	`_Maru_: bash history only gets written on exit`
`01:28.45`	`_Maru_`	`no he's not suppose to`
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`01:28.48`	`devious`	`ttysnoop is the package.`
`01:28.52`	`mattgirv`	`Actually that link is dead`
`01:28.54`	`mattgirv`	`:(`
`01:29.02`	`zcat[1]`	`yeah, I think it was ttysnoop ;)`
`01:29.12`	`zcat[1]`	`ttysnoop - TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections`
`01:29.12`	`_Maru_`	`netstats shows the connection`
`01:29.12`	`devious`	`!ttysnoop`
`01:29.13`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, ttysnoop is evil and shoud never, ever be used`
`01:29.13`	`Dewi`	`_Maru_: shouldn't you be securing your box and booting him?`
`01:29.16`	`mattgirv`	`http://sourceforge.net/projects/rootsh/`
`01:29.21`	`zcat[1]`	`!info ttysnoop`
`01:29.30`	`zcat[1]`	`Hmmm`
`01:29.35`	`Dewi`	`_Maru_: and probably burning it down and starting again?`
`01:29.52`	`_Maru_`	`I guess but then I won't know what he did`
`01:29.56`	`zcat[1]`	`it's in the repos anyhow`
`01:29.56`	`dpkg`	`ttysnoop: (TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.12d-3 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 52 kB`
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`01:30.07`	`zcat[1]`	`wow, that was lagged...`
`01:30.18`	`mattgirv`	`'twas a bit slow :D`
`01:30.20`	`_Maru_`	`netstat shows he's connected and firestarter... but the logs not showing anything`
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`01:30.31`	`_Maru_`	`how would I keep him out after I boot him?`
`01:30.37`	`kuber`	`http://www.pcworld.com/article/195958/android_outsells_apple_iphone_at_last_says_npd.html`
`01:30.42`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: Turn off ssh service until you secure it?`
`01:30.44`	`zcat[1]`	`bash history doesn't get appended til he logs out`
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`01:31.16`	`Dewi`	`_Maru_: /var/log/auth.log shows logins and local auths`
`01:31.25`	`Dewi`	`including IPs`
`01:31.31`	`zcat[1]`	`not sure if ttysnoop lets you snoop ssh, it says tenlet and serial...`
`01:31.40`	`zcat[1]`	`*telnet`
`01:31.49`	`mattgirv`	`Mm, rootsh works but I haven't used it for a year or so.`
`01:31.56`	`mattgirv`	`and it isn't in the repos`
`01:32.01`	`Dewi`	`_Maru_: maybe if you send a SIGHUP to his ssh or bash it will write to history? I can't be sure tho`
`01:32.25`	`Dewi`	`_Maru_: have you closed the loophole he got in on?`
`01:32.30`	`zcat[1]`	`!info rootsh`
`01:32.40`	`zcat[1]`	`Oh.. not in the repos ;)`
`01:32.44`	`mattgirv`	`hehe ;)`
`01:33.01`	`mattgirv`	`It is an old app, 2006 or so was its last update.`
`01:33.18`	`mattgirv`	`Though it works well, you'd have to build from source so not really too fantastic when time is of the essence :p`
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`01:33.40`	`_Maru_`	`I don't think he got in...`
`01:33.56`	`_Maru_`	`the /var/log/auth.log shows a bunch of failed logins`
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`01:35.05`	`mattgirv`	`foxmulder: No thanks`
`01:35.06`	`zcat[1]`	`_Maru_: I see hundreds of those every day on every box that runs ssh. If you're worried, turn off password auth and only allow keys`
`01:35.08`	`foxmulder`	`sorry folks.`
`01:35.33`	`foxmulder`	`I was changing server with my irc client. That wasn't meant to come up. lol`
`01:35.40`	`mattgirv`	`foxmulder: Ahh :p`
`01:35.49`	`foxmulder`	`Idiot!`
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`01:37.17`	`zcat[1]`	`brucekingsbury@maia:~$ grep failed /var/log/auth.log \| wc -l`
`01:37.17`	`zcat[1]`	`187`
`01:37.20`	`zcat[1]`	`hehe`
`01:37.25`	`_Maru_`	`o... I guess it's all right if it's normal :(`
`01:37.26`	`mattgirv`	`Ouch heh`
`01:37.27`	`zcat[1]`	`that's less than 24hrs`
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`01:37.44`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: Yeah the joys of the internet sadly`
`01:37.54`	`mattgirv`	`I thought you actually had someone physically connected.`
`01:37.57`	`_Maru_`	`i'm only at 73 XD`
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`01:38.18`	`_Maru_`	`meh I'm new at this I jsut saw it say connected on the firewall I was like wtf`
`01:38.47`	`zcat[1]`	`Oh wait, that only shows failed passwords, Failed users has a capital F`
`01:38.49`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: Yeah, I would honestly close it though until you can easily deal with getting rid of someone, worst case scenario.. or use keys like zcat[1] mentioned.`
`01:38.51`	`zcat[1]`	`brucekingsbury@maia:~$ grep -i failed /var/log/auth.log \| wc -l`
`01:38.51`	`zcat[1]`	`2253`
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`01:39.15`	`_Maru_`	`170`
`01:39.38`	`_Maru_`	`meh looks like i'm better off then you XD`
`01:39.56`	`_Maru_`	`hmm maybe i should think about getting longer passwords >.>`
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`01:40.12`	`mattgirv`	`_Maru_: Heh, how long are they?`
`01:40.15`	`zcat[1]`	`strong passwords are essential.`
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`01:40.30`	`zcat[1]`	`they don't have to be really long, just really random`
`01:40.40`	`_Maru_`	`my is only 6 admin is like 14`
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`01:40.51`	`zcat[1]`	`no dictionary words or dictionary word+a few digits.`
`01:40.52`	`echosystm`	`hi guys`
`01:41.04`	`mattgirv`	`Aye, mix in a few symbols as well for good measure :p`
`01:41.13`	`echosystm`	`i asked about this yesterday but couldnt seem to get an answer - how can i make my ssh client disconnect?`
`01:41.28`	`_Maru_`	`exit?`
`01:41.29`	`zcat[1]`	`<enter>~.<enter>`
`01:41.34`	`echosystm`	`the manpage shows various keyboard shortcuts, but none of them seem to work`
`01:41.37`	`Dewi`	`echosystm: forceably? send it a kill signal`
`01:41.53`	`_Maru_`	`just type exit...`
`01:41.59`	`echosystm`	`thanks zcat[1] !`
`01:42.10`	`Dewi`	`~.`
`01:42.10`	`apt`	`.`
`01:42.13`	`echosystm`	`what zcat[1] said is what i needed`
`01:42.13`	`Dewi`	`laughs.`
`01:42.14`	`zcat[1]`	`if you have a working shell, exit or ^D .. to force a disconnect ~.`
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`01:42.22`	`echosystm`	`i was typing ~~. , like the man page says`
`01:42.31`	`echosystm`	`and it wasnt doing anything`
`01:42.33`	`zcat[1]`	`has to be all by itself`
`01:42.57`	`echosystm`	`cheers`
`01:43.01`	`zcat[1]`	`otherwise I'd get punted just trying to tell you how ~.`
`01:44.10`	`zcat[1]`	`wonders if STF just tried that...`
`01:44.23`	`mattgirv`	`heh`
`01:44.41`	`_Maru_`	`is there a way where I can set it so if someone trys to ssh 3 times and fail it would block the ip?`
`01:44.50`	`echosystm`	`There is a screen on:`
`01:44.50`	`echosystm`	`5906.pts-0.abdom(Attached)`
`01:44.50`	`echosystm`	`There is no screen to be resumed.`
`01:44.54`	`echosystm`	`wat?`
`01:44.56`	`jordanm`	`_Maru_: denyhosts and fail2ban`
`01:45.03`	`echosystm`	`why cant i resume that screen ? lol`
`01:45.06`	`_Maru_`	`sweet thanks`
`01:45.17`	`echosystm`	`oh, because it thinks its attached...`
`01:45.22`	`mattgirv`	`echosystm: Heh :D`
`01:45.26`	`zcat[1]`	`echosystm: it's attached..`
`01:45.29`	`echosystm`	`im doing heaps good this morning.`
`01:45.31`	`echosystm`	`:P`
`01:45.32`	`jordanm`	`_Maru_: I find denyhosts more effective but fail2ban can alos do http auth and others`
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`01:46.21`	`mattgirv`	`echosystm: Haha, early start?`
`01:46.31`	`echosystm`	`sleepless night :[`
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`01:47.00`	`echosystm`	`sometimes coding at night really messes with your mindgrapes!`
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`01:48.26`	`_Maru_`	`oh yeah... thanks for the help guys XD`
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`01:50.23`	`woodworks`	`hmmmm, mind grapes -- heard of grapes and anatomy but they're on the other end of the body`
`01:50.41`	`woodworks`	`ewwww`
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`01:56.02`	`Phibs`	`can someone tell me on lenny / testing, what kernel I need to run Xen as a DOM0 ?`
`01:56.17`	`Phibs`	`linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64, oldstyle Xen support <-- ie, whats the newstyle ;)`
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`01:58.55`	`Phibs`	`or is there no packaged kernel for it`
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`02:02.25`	`Phibs`	`948 ppl and nobody uses xen on latest deb? :)`
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`02:06.12`	`Phibs`	`wow ffs`
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`02:09.45`	`Phibs`	`# Debian is planning to ship pv_ops dom0 kernel with the upcoming Debian 6.0 ("Squeeze")`
`02:09.50`	`Phibs`	`so erm... can I use that now?`
`02:10.13`	`aiux`	`!patience`
`02:10.13`	`dpkg`	`The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.`
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`02:10.26`	`aiux`	`!xen`
`02:10.26`	`dpkg`	`Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>.`
`02:10.35`	`Phibs`	`thanks aiux`
`02:11.12`	`Phibs`	`looks like the 3.4 hypervisor is avail but no xen kernel, gues I could build one`
`02:12.42`	`zcat[1]`	`Currently running Lenny and thinking about updating to Unstable.. just wondering if this is a good idea and how to do it?`
`02:12.55`	`Phibs`	`zcat[1]: is your system important ?`
`02:13.09`	`zcat[1]`	`not hugely important`
`02:13.12`	`Phibs`	`then go for it :)`
`02:13.17`	`aiux`	`!unstable`
`02:13.17`	`dpkg`	`[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.`
`02:13.28`	`Phibs`	`there ya go`
`02:13.33`	`Phibs`	`but keep in mind, it could blow up.`
`02:13.39`	`zcat[1]`	`hehe`
`02:13.45`	`zcat[1]`	`!break`
`02:13.46`	`dpkg`	"This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things will break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see <ben break>, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873
`02:13.58`	`zcat[1]`	`hmmm`
`02:14.04`	`zcat[1]`	`perhaps I should not.`
`02:14.07`	`Phibs`	`:)`
`02:14.17`	`zcat[1]`	`I could take an image first.`
`02:14.55`	`aiux`	`!sid`
`02:14.55`	`dpkg`	`sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.`
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`02:16.39`	`zcat[1]`	`ok, no. I'm scared.`
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`02:17.09`	`Phibs`	`hahahaha`
`02:17.13`	`Phibs`	`be a man!`
`02:17.39`	`zcat[1]`	`well, I have backups of /home, shouldn't be too hard to clone !/home`
`02:18.06`	`Phibs`	`zcat[1]: in general, I've found unstable to not be THAT messed up, but you have to know your way around apt and how to fix deps and other issues that will crop up. You probably don't need to be upgrading.`
`02:18.15`	`aiux`	`zcat[1], anyways sid will not break your /home ..`
`02:18.31`	`Phibs`	`haha`
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`02:18.50`	`zcat[1]`	`mostly I want to be able to downgrade again if necessary. Hmmmm.`
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`02:18.57`	`Phibs`	`what is your reason for wanting to upgrade`
`02:19.14`	`aiux`	`!downgrade`
`02:19.14`	`dpkg`	`methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.`
`02:19.14`	`zcat[1]`	`probably some mental disorder...`
`02:19.17`	`Phibs`	`hah`
`02:19.24`	`Phibs`	`yeah uh downgrading wont happen`
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`02:19.33`	`aiux`	`!sns`
`02:19.33`	`dpkg`	`Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.`
`02:19.39`	`Phibs`	`hahahah!`
`02:19.41`	`zcat[1]`	`'downgrade' == restore the image of lenny I made before upgrading`
`02:20.14`	`zcat[1]`	`yeah, sns. that would be it`
`02:20.34`	`Phibs`	`linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64`
`02:20.35`	`Phibs`	`woot.`
`02:20.36`	`Phibs`	`unstable.`
`02:20.41`	`Phibs`	`zcat[1]: hey, I just upgraded to unstable.`
`02:20.47`	`Phibs`	`no lie :)`
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`02:21.09`	`zcat[1]`	`I used to run unstable a long time ago and things never broke that bad as I recall`
`02:21.22`	`aiux`	`zcat[1], repartition your disk , and install sid ,wharever on a new partition`
`02:21.25`	`Phibs`	`zcat[1]: the closer to a major release the better`
`02:21.27`	`mooperd`	`ello. I have an exim/spamassasin setup which would seem to be working well. I have a bit of a wierd bug though, the 'rewrite_header' option seems to be intermittant. Sometimes it rewrites the header, sometimes not.`
`02:21.41`	`Phibs`	`mooperd: why would exim/spamassassin be a debian question :)`
`02:21.51`	`mooperd`	`Well, Its a debian system`
`02:22.03`	`mattgirv`	`Phibs: I'd probably run unstable if I wasn't using an ATI graphics card :'(`
`02:22.06`	`mattgirv`	`woe is me`
`02:22.11`	`mooperd`	`also, its 3:21am`
`02:22.24`	`mooperd`	`the normal rules of time and space do not apply`
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`02:23.28`	`zcat[1]`	`I like 7:07 am http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/4/19/633757756205775305-LOLOCLOCK.jpg`
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`02:24.57`	`zcat[1]`	`hmmm, no. I think I'll stay with testing (lenny is testing right?)`
`02:25.07`	`zcat[1]`	`!testing`
`02:25.08`	`dpkg`	`Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.`
`02:25.22`	`zcat[1]`	`!lenny`
`02:25.22`	`dpkg`	`Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny`
`02:25.29`	`mattgirv`	`heh`
`02:25.34`	`zcat[1]`	`Oh.`
`02:25.40`	`zcat[1]`	`I want testing!`
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`02:25.51`	`mattgirv`	`Ouch, I was on lenny for about 6 months till last weeek.`
`02:26.02`	`Phibs`	`that's what she said`
`02:26.07`	`mattgirv`	`:p`
`02:26.17`	`zcat[1]`	`so I just change 'lenny' to 'testing' in the apt.conf and upgrade?`
`02:26.22`	`mattgirv`	`no`
`02:26.26`	`mattgirv`	`you change lenny to squeeze`
`02:26.45`	`aiux`	`dpkg, lenny->squeeze`
`02:26.45`	`dpkg`	Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r \| sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
`02:27.18`	`mattgirv`	`right im off to bed, 3:30`
`02:27.30`	`mattgirv`	`night`
`02:27.36`	`aiux`	`night mattgirv`
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`02:29.05`	`zcat[1]`	`ok, doing it...`
`02:29.09`	`Phibs`	`haha`
`02:29.13`	`Phibs`	`don't do it man!`
`02:29.27`	`zcat[1]`	`if this breaks shit, I shall be very .... broken.`
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`02:31.33`	`zcat[1]`	`well, it's not going to eat /home, worst case I can reinstall everything. I have cds.`
`02:32.01`	`zcat[1]`	`Oh wait.. I have iso.s. I should burn cds`
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`02:32.51`	`aiux`	`zcat[1], have XP too?`
`02:33.01`	`zcat[1]`	`LOL, not likely`
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`02:34.09`	`aiux`	`zcat[1], repartition your disk , and install sid , whatever on the new partition`
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`02:34.27`	`zcat[1]`	`hmm, apt is removing a lot of stuff I thing I need. Like gnome.`
`02:34.43`	`aiux`	`!unmarkauto`
`02:34.44`	`dpkg`	`Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.`
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`02:36.20`	`zcat[1]`	`so aptitude install gnome?`
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`02:38.33`	`nvz`	`when I run IDLE and try do something like display a web page or file object in the shell it gets SEVERELY slow. I am on a 1.6ghz intel atom w/ 1gb ram.. this seems crazy. Anyone have any ideas what I could do to diagnose or solve that?`
`02:38.51`	`nvz`	`suddenly gets the idea of seeing if it does the same thing using just a python console in a terminal`
`02:39.41`	`nvz`	`na, it def doesnt in a python shell in the terminal`
`02:39.47`	`nvz`	`that tells me something I suppose`
`02:41.01`	`nvz`	`f.read() instantly spews to the shell and returns a prompt when running from gnome-terminal but takes up to a minute to show data in IDLE and maybe another minute or so to return a prompt, and after doing such an operation the IDLE shell continues to be slow no matter what I do`
`02:41.13`	`nvz`	`as though the buffer has consumed all available ram or something`
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`02:44.28`	`nvz`	`well it seems its CPU not memory thats spiking, and its only about 55-75% in use, and it takes more than 30 sec to even echo a char to the prompt after displaying a significant ammount of data`
`02:45.15`	`nvz`	`the file I was displaying is under 200k this is insane. :P`
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`02:47.57`	`dpkg`	`<orangey_> has nobody here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand.`
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`02:52.27`	`zcat[1]`	`reboot`
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`02:58.11`	`stealth-`	`I have this line in /etc/sudoers: "stealth ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/openvpn", however when I run "sudo openvpn", it still asks me for my stupid password :( Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?`
`02:58.52`	`sivel`	`stealth-: likely there is a nother conflicting rule`
`02:59.11`	`sivel`	`perhaps that you are part of the sudo group that requires passwords for ALL`
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`02:59.33`	`stealth-`	`sivel, Yeah, I am.`
`02:59.38`	`sivel`	`afaik sudo uses the most restrictive set of rules`
`02:59.39`	`stealth-`	`I didn't know that would cause a conflict.`
`02:59.44`	`stealth-`	`Ah, okay.`
`02:59.47`	`stealth-`	`Thanks :)`
`02:59.49`	`sivel`	`np`
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`03:29.43`	`dantix`	`good night. Please take a look to http://pastebin.com/i5p3Dr22 there is the problem with a package I can not completely install nor uninstall. What can I do?`
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`03:32.28`	`Bac0n`	`what happends if you create that dir /var/run/sogo manually`
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`03:33.31`	`dantix`	`Bac0n: I don't know. I'll try and come back.`
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`03:34.29`	`newsense`	`what's the term for installing a package from SID under Squeeze ?`
`03:34.40`	`nevyn`	`Upgrading to SID`
`03:34.45`	`newsense`	`no`
`03:34.48`	`nevyn`	`well`
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`03:34.52`	`nevyn`	`downgrading to sid.`
`03:34.55`	`nevyn`	`!sid`
`03:34.55`	`dpkg`	`sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.`
`03:34.59`	`newsense`	`i just want perl from SID`
`03:35.11`	`nevyn`	`the problem is dependancies.`
`03:35.12`	`newsense`	`i know what SID is`
`03:35.16`	`nevyn`	`check for a real backport`
`03:35.22`	`newsense`	`that's it`
`03:35.25`	`newsense`	`backport`
`03:35.28`	`newsense`	`thanks`
`03:35.39`	`newsense`	`!backports`
`03:35.39`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.`
`03:36.27`	`dantix`	`Bac0n: works! thanks a lot`
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`03:36.33`	`Bac0n`	`:)=`
`03:36.54`	`dantix`	`o/`
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`03:49.48`	`sparr`	`is there a command in sh/bash/dash that says "execute this non-executable file"?`
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`04:29.47`	`tome`	`sparr /bin/sh filename`
`04:30.33`	`dkr`	`I think he meant a binary`
`04:31.56`	`tome`	`haha : )`
`04:32.08`	`tome`	`probably`
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`04:37.07`	`tome`	`I'm thinking that's kind of the point of the execute bit...`
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`04:49.46`	`sparr`	`dkr / tome: yes, i meant a binary`
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`04:59.03`	`tome`	`Sorry sparr, other than creating a file for which you can set the exec bit, I don't know how to exec a bin that you don't have permissions to exec.`
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`04:59.55`	`sparr`	`well, i do have permissions`
`05:00.04`	`tome`	`which`
`05:00.05`	`sparr`	`i just hate having to chmod something i'm only ever going to execute once`
`05:00.17`	`tome`	`ah`
`05:00.32`	`tome`	`create an alias`
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`05:02.24`	`SunnyDP`	I am trying to remove all old kernels starting with 2.6.31 , so I am trying to use the command: sudo aptitude purge `linux-image-2.6.31-` with no success. Is there another way to do this using this command with the variable
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`05:04.18`	`ondrejk`	`try something like sudo aptitude purge 'linux-image-2.6.31-.*' - it's regular expression, not wildchar`
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`05:07.27`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: thanks will try with single quotes`
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`05:08.05`	`ondrejk`	`SunnyDP: but you'd rather try it with search or something safe ...`
`05:08.23`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: why did you put a "." in yours 'linux-image-2.6.31-.*'`
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`05:08.37`	`ondrejk`	`. means any character`
`05:08.59`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: i thought it was only "" you are saying i should use "."`
`05:09.18`	`ondrejk`	`* is a wildchar`
`05:09.33`	`ondrejk`	`but aptitude uses regular expressions`
`05:09.35`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: ok, any and wild. great`
`05:10.27`	`ondrejk`	`* in regular expressions isn't wildchar, it means 'zero or more of precending element'`
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`05:10.49`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.31-.*"`
`05:11.22`	`ondrejk`	`can you paste all command?`
`05:11.49`	`SunnyDP`	`but this is what i get when i double tab: user@laptop:~$ sudo aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.31-`
`05:11.49`	`SunnyDP`	`linux-image-2.6.31-17-generic linux-image-2.6.31-20-generic`
`05:11.49`	`SunnyDP`	`linux-image-2.6.31-19-generic linux-image-2.6.31-21-generic`
`05:11.54`	`SunnyDP`	`sorry`
`05:11.59`	`SunnyDP`	`here is the command i used`
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`05:12.40`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: sudo aptitude purge 'linux-image-2.6.31-.*'`
`05:13.26`	`puff`	`Hm, shouldn't debian have put a ScriptAlias for mailman into apache2/httpd.conf when I installed mailman?`
`05:13.53`	`ondrejk`	`SunnyDP: that's weird, it works for search operation .. then try sudo aptitude purge '~ilinux-image-2.6.31'`
`05:14.12`	`ondrejk`	`it searches for all installed packages with linux-image-2.6.31 in name`
`05:14.17`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: ~i ???`
`05:14.25`	`SunnyDP`	`great`
`05:14.33`	`ondrejk`	`that's aptitude specific`
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`05:17.26`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: it worked but only remove d1 of the 4`
`05:17.37`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: thanks anyways`
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`05:18.16`	`ondrejk`	`are you sure that you have 4 kernel images installed?`
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`05:18.44`	`ondrejk`	`when you double tab, it will show names of available packages, not names of installed packages`
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`05:19.51`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: yes because look here: http://pastebin.com/3TF03S0f`
`05:21.03`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: maybe using apt-get instead ?`
`05:21.17`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: never knew which was better`
`05:21.17`	`ondrejk`	`i dont think this could help`
`05:21.22`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: ok br`
`05:21.29`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: ok bro*`
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`05:28.26`	`SunnyDP`	`ondrejk: sudo aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.31-17-generic linux-image-2.6.31-19-generic linux-image-2.6.31-20-generic`
`05:28.31`	`SunnyDP`	`this is what i needed to use`
`05:28.33`	`SunnyDP`	`lame`
`05:28.49`	`wols`	`SunnyDP: please go back to #ubuntu. thank you`
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`05:32.03`	`SunnyDP`	`wols: i thought his can also append to debian, sorry bro`
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`05:35.21`	`zzz_`	`I'm trying to install debian from a LiveUSB and got stuck because the installer couldn't detect the CD-ROM, how could I fix this?`
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`05:37.03`	`wols`	`zzz_: liveusb?`
`05:37.21`	`zzz_`	`usb drive, pardon me`
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`05:37.31`	`wols`	`you use unetbootin?`
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`05:37.44`	`zzz_`	`yup, I did`
`05:37.48`	`wrench`	`what's the command to make a progam run at boot time?`
`05:37.57`	`wols`	`there you have it. /msg dpkg usb install`
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`05:38.11`	`wols`	`unetbootin and debian installers don't mix`
`05:38.17`	`wols`	`wrench: what kind of program?`
`05:38.22`	`zzz_`	`got it`
`05:38.42`	`wrench`	`wols: i want ssh and ngircd to both auto start at boot time`
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`05:45.14`	`krisfremen`	`wrench: just make inits for them`
`05:45.29`	`wrench`	`krisfremen: inits?`
`05:45.33`	`krisfremen`	`ssh starts at boot time by default afaik`
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`05:46.01`	`krisfremen`	`sshd*`
`05:46.11`	`wrench`	`krisfremen: oh right. thanks`
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`06:18.29`	`manixor`	`Hi all. I have an HP Photosmart C4280. Working to print files, but when I want to scan I got USB not connected. I need to install a driver for scan working?`
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`06:21.15`	`dpkg`	`To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).`
`06:21.33`	`zcat[1]`	`!nvidia squeeze`
`06:21.34`	`dpkg`	`non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.`
`06:22.17`	`zcat[1]`	`!tum`
`06:22.17`	`dpkg`	`echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution`
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`06:32.55`	`wols`	`!tell zcat[1] about msgthebot`
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`06:45.07`	`zcat[1]`	`trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but so far every possible alternative fails. Where do I start?`
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`06:45.51`	`zcat[1]`	`is mixing testing and sid the ONLY alternative?`
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`06:47.43`	`wols`	`failing HOW?`
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`06:47.54`	`wols`	`what are you doing exactly and how does it fail?`
`06:48.16`	`zcat[1]`	`from the top, or the step I'm up to now?`
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`06:49.37`	`zcat[1]`	`Module assistant says "Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do you wish to proceed? "`
`06:49.53`	`wols`	`what version of nvidia driver did you try?`
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`06:53.46`	`zcat[1]`	`"apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common" whatever that installs? /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2`
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`06:55.11`	`zcat[1]`	`cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel`
`06:55.11`	`zcat[1]`	`debian/rules binary_modules make any sense?`
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`06:55.18`	`zcat[1]`	`Oops, sorry`
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`06:55.27`	`wols`	`that's not answering my question. what version of nvidia drivers did you install? cause your kernel won't work with the 173.x drivers`
`06:55.28`	`zcat[1]`	`http://pastebin.com/RZZvUn72`
`06:55.41`	`zcat[1]`	`output of previous command`
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`06:56.04`	`wols`	`zcat[1]: please reinstall stable. thank you`
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`06:57.03`	`__lshift__`	`How can you list all available versions of a package via aptitude?`
`06:57.25`	`wols`	`apt-cache policy does it`
`06:57.35`	`zcat[1]`	`not going to reinstall stable. Can I have some clues what I need to do to make this work?`
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`06:57.51`	`wols`	`!tell zcat[1] about nvidia squeeze`
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`06:58.43`	`zcat[1]`	`so I have to do the testing/unstable mix, huh?`
`06:58.48`	`zcat[1]`	`OK.`
`06:59.07`	`Appl6`	`__lshift__: "aptitude -v show PACKAGE" might do it, I'm not sure. Test it on package that has multiple versions, if you know of one.`
`07:01.35`	`zcat[1]`	`btw my apt says 'squeeze', bot refers to 'testing' -- do I trat them as the same thing? should apt say testing or squeeze?`
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`07:06.01`	`zcat[1]`	`oki, leaving is as squeeze`
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`07:07.01`	`zcat[1]`	`"Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do you wish to proceed?"`
`07:07.07`	`zcat[1]`	`great.`
`07:08.30`	`zcat[1]`	`what now?`
`07:08.44`	`wols`	`you reinstall stable`
`07:08.44`	`zcat[1]`	`I am REALLY trying to follow these instructions..`
`07:08.53`	`wols`	`show us your sources.list`
`07:09.14`	`zcat[1]`	`http://pastebin.com/BCv9K0kK`
`07:10.29`	`zcat[1]`	`I seem to have everything except nvidia drivers, so I really want to figure this out`
`07:10.45`	`wols`	`so tell us which nvidia drivers you have installed`
`07:10.56`	`zcat[1]`	`none at all, as far as I know.`
`07:11.12`	`zcat[1]`	`how would I find that?`
`07:11.25`	`wols`	`man dpkg`
`07:11.27`	`zcat[1]`	`I can't even recall what was installed before`
`07:11.43`	`wols`	`dpkg can list all installed packages. including your nvidia ones`
`07:11.43`	`dpkg`	`wols: bugger all, i dunno`
`07:12.13`	`wols`	`for the drivers to work you need the 190.x drivers from sid`
`07:12.22`	`zcat[1]`	`http://pastebin.com/ADT93ir3`
`07:12.43`	`zcat[1]`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`07:16.47`	`zcat[1]`	`OK, trying to figure out how to do that now`
`07:17.21`	`siyb`	`zcat[1]: m-a clean`
`07:17.27`	`eshat`	`Hi all, whenever I want to apt-get source or aptitude build-dep, I get the following error: "E: File /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_conrib_source_Sources could not be opened - open (2: file or directory not found)" however, i can see the changelog, but not get build-dependecies.... any idea ?`
`07:17.33`	`siyb`	`if you are using module assist.`
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`07:17.43`	`zcat[1]`	`thank you`
`07:17.53`	`zcat[1]`	`(had just found it ;)`
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`07:18.09`	`wyclif_`	`hi all`
`07:18.18`	`zcat[1]`	`YAY, success...`
`07:18.25`	`siyb`	`zcat[1]: was just reading scrollback and wanted to tell you that the issue might be related to an unclean build directory`
`07:18.26`	`zcat[1]`	`onto the next step ;)`
`07:18.42`	`siyb`	`i personally never had probs compiling nvidia drivers using sid`
`07:19.40`	`siyb`	`except for an unclean building directory ;)`
`07:19.42`	`eshat`	`I found the problem,... I wrote conrib instead of contrib in my sources.list...`
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`07:19.49`	`zcat[1]`	`that's the problem.. I tried to compile the squeeze ones first...`
`07:19.56`	`eshat`	`Yay... no more error messages`
`07:20.23`	`zcat[1]`	`installing nvidia-glx package...`
`07:20.50`	`zcat[1]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:21.02`	`siyb`	`you need a matching version, yes`
`07:21.52`	`zcat[1]`	`aptitude -R -t sid nvidia-glx${VERSION} ??`
`07:22.17`	`siyb`	`zcat[1]: i don't use aptitude`
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`07:22.25`	`siyb`	`apt-get install -t unstable foopackage`
`07:22.26`	`zcat[1]`	`sorry, apt-get`
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`07:22.36`	`siyb`	`or apt-get install foopackage/unstable`
`07:22.50`	`siyb`	`the latter is deprecated`
`07:23.49`	`zcat[1]`	`apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx seems to be doing the right thing`
`07:24.03`	`zcat[1]`	`my head hurts...`
`07:24.10`	`siyb`	`why is that?`
`07:24.21`	`siyb`	`because of your driver problem?`
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`07:24.36`	`zcat[1]`	`in ubuntu I just click the nvidia driver checkbox and click ok`
`07:24.41`	`zcat[1]`	`;)`
`07:25.14`	`siyb`	`the debian way is still very easy`
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`07:25.41`	`zcat[1]`	`I guess it could be like slackware. I do not want to know how you do this in slackware...`
`07:26.19`	`siyb`	`just compile it, no big deal`
`07:26.21`	`siyb`	`;)`
`07:26.36`	`siyb`	`slackware does have packagemanagement, it's not lfs`
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`07:28.32`	`zcat[1]`	`so if I just move my old xorg.conf back not hopefully it will work!`
`07:28.34`	`wols`	`!testing`
`07:28.34`	`dpkg`	`Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.`
`07:28.40`	`zcat[1]`	`s/not/now`
`07:29.18`	`zcat[1]`	`wols: apart from this, it's been not too bad so far...`
`07:29.23`	`solar_sea`	`is there a remote desktop client in debian that supports copy-paste when connected to a windows machine ?`
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`07:31.44`	`zcat[1]`	`OK I guess I should restart gdm and see what happens`
`07:32.59`	`ethanol`	`mornin' all`
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`07:39.35`	`zcat[1]`	`YAY!! I have nvidia drivers, compiz, etc.. again`
`07:39.51`	`siyb`	`brr compiz Oo`
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`07:41.54`	`zcat[1]`	`now, java....`
`07:42.02`	`wols`	`!tell zcat[1] about java`
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`07:43.37`	`siyb`	`zcat[1]: do not use openjdk`
`07:44.01`	`zcat[1]`	`It should still be in /usr/lib and I just make the link again it /etc/alternatives if it's broken?`
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`07:44.29`	`Susanne_`	`Hello Everybody! I have a corrupted reiserfs. Are there any tools that let me see some infos like directories without attempting a rescue with reiserfsck? reiserfsck asks me a scaringly number of options and im afraid i will ruin the partition.`
`07:44.41`	`siyb`	`zcat[1]: use update-alternatives`
`07:44.47`	`wols`	`then make a backup?`
`07:45.02`	`tarzeau`	`Susanne_: on debian or ubuntu?`
`07:45.07`	`wols`	`or simply use your backup`
`07:45.38`	`tarzeau`	`and never use reiserfs again`
`07:45.44`	`tarzeau`	`xfs hint, hint`
`07:45.46`	`zcat[1]`	`dd the raw partition to a file or another drive. If you screw it up dd it back and have another try`
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`07:47.42`	`Susanne_`	`tarzeau, zcat[1]: im not sure the partition is set to the right start/end on the hd. i guessed it after the main partition table got lost. so i would prefer tofurther analyze it instead of backing it up. if i back it up, it might not be the right part of the hd.`
`07:47.56`	`zcat[1]`	`Ohhhh...`
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`07:48.34`	`zcat[1]`	`you are up excrement estuary without means of propulsion aren't you...`
`07:48.53`	`wols`	`so dd the disk? either it's comprising the whole disk or you have a partition table. both are a boundary to the possible size of the partition`
`07:49.33`	`Susanne_`	`wols: i guessed all other partitions correctly and can mount them fine. so the last one i guessed is the whole between 2 other partitions.`
`07:49.58`	`zcat[1]`	`can gpart do this?`
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`07:50.09`	`Susanne_`	`what gives a hint that this is true is that testdisk finds a bunch of reiserfs on the beginning of the partition. and the partition indeed was reiserfs.`
`07:50.18`	`tarzeau`	`Susanne_: you should've made a backup before`
`07:50.25`	`tarzeau`	`!backups`
`07:50.25`	`dpkg`	`I don't need no steenkin backups. However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data, or see <things to backup>, or <qotd126>, <flw40>`
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`07:50.36`	`wols`	`Susanne_: so dd that part of the disk then`
`07:51.26`	`Susanne_`	`wols: well, after dding it, i still would prefer to analyze the disk instead of just typing random stuff into reiserfsck.`
`07:51.57`	`zcat[1]`	`give Hans a call, I'm sure he'd be happy to hear from the outside world...`
`07:52.21`	`Susanne_`	`zcat[1]: ever wondered why people dont talk to you very much?`
`07:52.33`	`zcat[1]`	`sorry.`
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`07:53.43`	`zcat[1]`	`I no very little about filesystems other than having backups of them is a pretty good idea...`
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`07:54.57`	`zcat[1]`	`.. but I guess you know that now too.`
`07:56.08`	`zcat[1]`	`are sata drives hot-pluggable or should I power down to connect /dev/sdb ?`
`07:56.48`	`zcat[1]`	`come to think of it, I don't know that I'd trust you if you said yes anyhow. BRB`
`07:57.08`	`jk`	`very wise`
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`07:57.53`	`simonrvn`	`he'd know if it was hotplug if he got hotplug gear...`
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`08:05.05`	`dv-`	`Debian killed one of my computers. I shut it down while the installer was scanning for installation media, and now it won't come up again :-(`
`08:05.41`	`wols`	`error messages=`
`08:06.01`	`wols`	`?`
`08:06.02`	`Bushmills`	`debian shut down your computer?`
`08:06.20`	`dv-`	`No I shut it down because I forgot to start expert install`
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`08:06.36`	`Bushmills`	`oh, i thought you said that debian killed your computer`
`08:06.38`	`dv-`	`wols: nothing comes up on screen at all. The hd spins up and down randomly`
`08:06.48`	`zcat[1]`	`So now it won't boot from CD? Won't power on at all?`
`08:06.55`	`dv-`	`yeah`
`08:07.00`	`Devastator`	`dv- check your memories`
`08:07.01`	`zcat[1]`	`I do not thing sofware can do this`
`08:07.07`	`Devastator`	`opss`
`08:07.09`	`Devastator`	`memory sticks`
`08:07.27`	`dv-`	`I mean it powers up, but the screen is just blank`
`08:07.31`	`zcat[1]`	`sounds like your PSU has karked it.`
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`08:08.04`	`dv-`	`Mhm`
`08:08.04`	`dv-`	`It's a netbook`
`08:08.04`	`zcat[1]`	`or something like that`
`08:08.04`	`Devastator`	`zcat[1] yes it can, some viruses can erase bios :P`
`08:08.04`	`Bushmills`	`resetting BIOS nvram may be a way to get your machine going away. if invalid nvram data is a reason for it not booting`
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`08:08.11`	`Devastator`	`dv- check your memory modules`
`08:08.34`	`dv-`	`Devastator: how? Also, it's worked for two years`
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`08:09.03`	`Devastator`	`dv- on the back, I think it will have two screws holding a plate`
`08:09.31`	`Bushmills`	`"expert install" - your machine may be in "expert boot" mode now :D`
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`08:10.52`	`streuner_`	`dv-: whats about BIOS, is it still in the orginal state?`
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`08:11.31`	`dv-`	`streuner_: I have no idea`
`08:11.37`	`Devastator`	`dv- remove charger, remove battery, wait 5 to 10 minutes, put them back and try again`
`08:11.54`	`dv-`	`I'll try that yeah`
`08:11.57`	`dv-`	`Oh well`
`08:11.57`	`streuner_`	`dv-: you arent able to go into BIOS?`
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`08:24.22`	`delaman`	`i can not extract an rar with the usual command "unrar x file.rar" i install unrar-free and it gives me an error`
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`08:31.24`	`sphenxes01`	`When i do daily updates i get the following error. E: postgresql-8.3: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1`
`08:31.24`	`sphenxes01`	`E: postgresql: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured. Several days ago i have changed chmod on /var/ directories, and changed it back to root.root once more. may be this is the reason. would someone tell me what is the chmod for /var/run/postgresql. or how to solve the problem (Debian, lenny)`
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`08:33.38`	`jelly`	`sphenxes01: please pastebin the whole output of the apt-get/aptitud command you ran`
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`08:51.47`	`Julia`	`Hey People! When you use fdisk and delete a partition and then recreate it from the same beginning but make it larger - will reiserfs notice that and refuse to mount it? I know that its not a valid ways to resize a partition. Im trying to find a lost reiser partition and wonder if i guessed the beginning correctly and reiser does not mount anyway because of wrong ending.`
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`08:54.30`	`tarzeau`	`Julia: forget it`
`08:54.40`	`jelly`	`Julia: ext[234]fs don't care if the block device underneath the fs are larger than necessary; no idea about reiserfs, but such a misfeature would stop it from being extended`
`08:54.41`	`tarzeau`	`that's not how it works, for no filesystem`
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`08:56.10`	`Julia`	`jelly: i wonder, why reiser refuses to mount the partition. im pretty sure i guessed the partitions start correctly.`
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`08:56.17`	`Julia`	`testdisk finds like 50 reiserfs filesystems in that partition. are that copies of the journal or something?`
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`09:00.03`	`jelly`	`that's because reiserfs metadata has a funny format`
`09:00.32`	`jelly`	`Julia: I'd restore from backups and use a different fs ;-)`
`09:01.01`	`Julia`	`jelly: then i would loose data of some days. so i want to do some more analyzing first.`
`09:01.10`	`jelly`	`Julia: gpart might be smarter in detecting the beginning, or not`
`09:01.26`	`Julia`	`jelly: no. it was an encrypted partition.`
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`09:02.10`	`jelly`	`the phrase "asking for it" comes to mind`
`09:02.13`	`Julia`	`oh! does one partition END at 123 and the next START at 123?`
`09:02.43`	`Julia`	`i just created a partition with fdisk and it starts at the cylinder the partition before ends.`
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`09:02.51`	`cafuego`	`Usually ending at 123 would mean the next starts at 124`
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`09:03.21`	`Julia`	`can partitions start/end in between cylinders?`
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`09:03.30`	`Julia`	`are that cylinders, fdisk shows?`
`09:03.30`	`jelly`	`Julia: does the encryption layer detect the block device properly?`
`09:03.33`	`cafuego`	`ye-es`
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`09:03.51`	`cafuego`	`Julia: It would show end as 123+ in such as case`
`09:03.55`	`Julia`	`jelly: thats the question. its cryptsetup. cryptsetup does not do any checks.`
`09:04.58`	`jelly`	`Julia: don't blame reiserfs, then, you might be missing a bit at the beginning, or having extra space that makes cryptsetup confused`
`09:06.17`	`Julia`	`jelly: my guess is that cryptsetup is in sync because of what testdisk finds.`
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`09:06.34`	`Julia`	`if encryption would be out of sync, testdisk would probably find nothing.`
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`09:07.06`	`Julia`	`i wonder if i should set the beginning 1 cylinder earlier. but that would be the cylinder where the partition before (swap) ends.`
`09:07.37`	`jelly`	`Julia: pastebin your current (guessed) sfdisk -d /dev/yourdisk`
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`09:08.24`	`jelly`	`Julia: do you know which OS (distro, version) was the disk initially partitioned with?`
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`09:08.43`	`Julia`	`jelly: no`
`09:08.52`	`Julia`	`its years old`
`09:09.08`	`Julia`	`always worked like a charm :)`
`09:09.17`	`jelly`	`which debian release are you running right now?`
`09:09.25`	`Julia`	`i guess sda5 and sda6 are enough?`
`09:09.26`	`Julia`	`/dev/sda5 : start=102703608, size= 7807504, Id=82`
`09:09.27`	`Julia`	`/dev/sda6 : start=173004800, size= 58593280, Id=83`
`09:09.40`	`Julia`	`oh no!`
`09:09.44`	`jelly`	`Julia: no, use a pastebin and give the whole output.`
`09:09.53`	`hatter_`	`i am missing something simple... i just setup bind with views so i can contact my internal machines by name, but i dont want to use a FQDN just a machine name, obvious if i just use hosts... what am i missing ?`
`09:09.54`	`Julia`	`ok...`
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`09:10.29`	`disposable`	`hatter_: man resolv.conf`
`09:10.31`	`Julia`	`jelly: codepad.org/AfUPFE36`
`09:10.43`	`sphenxes01`	`Jelly, http://codepad.org/pYkdfddP`
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`09:11.18`	`Julia`	`codepad seems to be popular these days.`
`09:11.45`	`sphenxes01`	`:-)`
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`09:13.19`	`jelly`	`sphenxes01: remove the /var/run/postgresql directory completely, debian policy states packages must recreate theirs as needed`
`09:16.21`	`jelly`	`Julia: is sda7 working?`
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`09:16.43`	`jelly`	`Julia: which debian release are you running?`
`09:16.50`	`Merwin`	`hi`
`09:17.04`	`hatter_`	`disposable, righty-ho thanks :)`
`09:17.25`	`Julia`	`jelly: depends on the definition of "working". i think this is the partition that holds the encrpyted partition and reiserfs inside. but when i cryptmount it, mount refuses to mount it.`
`09:17.37`	`jelly`	`Julia: dpkg -l libc6 cryptsetup \| tail -2`
`09:18.11`	`Merwin`	`I'm creating a debian package for a python applications, using python-support. I did what is written here (http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/collab-maint/deb-maint/python-support/trunk/README?view=markup), but I don't know why, the make target 'install' (in debian/rules) is never called. clean, build, binary are cladded, but not install, why?`
`09:18.20`	`jelly`	`Julia: make that dpkg -l libc6 cryptsetup cryptmount \| tail -3`
`09:18.20`	`disposable`	`hatter_: it's the 'domain' you're looking for`
`09:18.26`	`Julia`	`jelly: now im in a ubuntu 10 live cd.`
`09:18.28`	`Merwin`	`are called*`
`09:18.45`	`themill`	`Merwin: is this a package that's destined for inclusion in debian?`
`09:18.49`	`jelly`	`Julia: which debian release were you running, then?`
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`09:19.08`	`hatter_`	`disposable, right, so having the domain in there means a dns query will append whats in domain`
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`09:19.48`	`sphenxes01`	`jelly, thanks`
`09:19.50`	`Julia`	`jelly: now you got me ... this is an ubuntu machine.`
`09:19.56`	`Julia`	`jelly: http://codepad.org/JrKRsFmO`
`09:20.30`	`jelly`	`Julia: you're asking in the wrong channel, then`
`09:20.36`	`granquet`	`Hi, I'm having difficulties with the default .deb file layout of the mediawiki installation, I get http://paste.pocoo.org/show/212624/ ; seems mediawiki thinks it's installed in /etc/mediawiki. anyone stumbled on that one already?`
`09:20.38`	`Julia`	`jelly: ok.`
`09:20.43`	`disposable`	`hatter_: yes`
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`09:21.12`	`Julia`	`jelly: why did you ask if sda7 is working? just courious, because you directly pointed at the device which is in question.`
`09:21.13`	`jelly`	`Julia: fwiw, you have too much space between sda7 and sda6, 815 sectors`
`09:21.26`	`jelly`	`Julia: it's probably too small`
`09:21.28`	`petern_`	`debian ... ubuntu ... the letters are pretty close together`
`09:21.40`	`Julia`	`jelly: what is too small?`
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`09:21.56`	`jelly`	`will start charging the u. users for help`
`09:21.57`	`anddam`	`hello`
`09:22.00`	`Julia`	`jelly: should i remove sda7 with fdisk and then recreate it?`
`09:22.07`	`anddam`	`how can I see interfaces while running install?`
`09:22.25`	`wols`	`anddam: dmesg, ifconfig -a`
`09:22.27`	`hatter_`	`disposable, thats cool, i actually wasnt forgetting it, i never did know it. come to think of it, i never knew what the 'search' was for in resolv.conf either`
`09:22.42`	`anddam`	`wols: ifconfig isn't available on install disc`
`09:22.45`	`wols`	`and to see (and tell us) what hardware you have: lspci -nn`
`09:23.11`	`themill`	`Merwin: you'll find more people familiar with python-support in #debian-python on irc.oftc.net. You'll need to pastebin your debian/rules file as well.`
`09:23.16`	`anddam`	`wols and dmesg doesn't provide IP information`
`09:23.35`	`jelly`	`Julia: take a look at some other disk formatted with a number of primary and logical partitions, and in particular inspect the starts and ends of partitions' offset to cylinder beginning`
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`09:24.43`	`Julia`	`jelly: what i dont understan is: sda6 starts at 173004800 and sda7 starts at 110511175. can that be?`
`09:24.44`	`jelly`	`Julia: this will provide clues to validity of the guessed partition table (and yes, you'll have to resize either sda7 or sda6 or both)`
`09:25.00`	`aef`	`i'm looking for a guide on how to para-virtualize a ubuntu system on a debian lenny based xen hypervisor. any hint?`
`09:25.08`	`jelly`	`Julia: they're just not in order, that's a minor point`
`09:25.17`	`hatter_`	`at which point of the bootup sequence could i output to a serial device ? could it happen from grub onwards ?`
`09:25.36`	`jelly`	`Julia: I'll stop with offtopic help now, good luck`
`09:25.41`	`wols`	`hatter_: yes`
`09:25.49`	`brammat0r`	`is there debian way to make afuse re-spawning, other than have shellscript that re-scan /tmp/fuse-* and re-run it?`
`09:25.52`	`anddam`	`wols: any further hint?`
`09:26.20`	`wols`	`!wayttd anddam`
`09:26.20`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, anddam?`
`09:26.53`	`Merwin`	`Thanks themill`
`09:26.55`	`anddam`	`wols: check the IP setting, I'm installing in VirtualBox and the DHCP client isn't getting replies`
`09:27.15`	`wols`	`then you don't have an IP to check...`
`09:27.24`	`aburch`	`anddam: "ip" should be available. ifconfig is deprecated since almost 10 years.`
`09:27.32`	`anddam`	`wols: ok, but out of curiosity, how would I check ip config`
`09:27.33`	`anddam`	`ah thanks`
`09:27.44`	`anddam`	`aburch: I'm like 10 years back then`
`09:27.51`	`wols`	`you need to fix your vbox setup instead`
`09:28.27`	`anddam`	`wols: yes, and that's what I'm doing, still I noticed I couldn't run ifconfig in an install and was curious about what I should have used instead`
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`09:30.21`	`anddam`	`there's always a perverted mechanism behind the "what are you really trying to do"`
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`09:30.55`	`anddam`	`people who get a lot of (useless) questions try to avoid further questions solving the problem that is at root, but this wasn't my case`
`09:31.34`	`anddam`	`I just wanted to know the command I should use to check IP config in install, even if I erroneously didn't write "IP config" in original question`
`09:32.38`	`rvsjoen`	`the installer doesn't pack ifconfig ?`
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`09:33.11`	`wols`	`the installer doesn't pack a lot of things. pre lenny not even lspci. now that sucked`
`09:33.26`	`liable`	`i dont think it does now does it?`
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`09:33.34`	`wols`	`it does`
`09:33.53`	`wols`	`no lsusb tho :)`
`09:34.06`	`liable`	`rvsjoen: and no, its got its own netcfg program, it does have 'ip' though`
`09:34.17`	`azeem`	`it also has ifconfig I thought`
`09:34.18`	`liable`	`busybox ip`
`09:34.23`	`liable`	`nope`
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`09:35.34`	`liable`	`its prints out an interfaces file, but all the net configuring from within the installer is through netcfg. but if you want to get funky, you can play with ip`
`09:36.16`	`liable`	`unless its changed recently, like in squeeze`
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`09:38.15`	`Julia`	`Hey People! What could be a good channel for partition table issues?`
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`09:39.15`	`icebrain`	`Julia: I don't know any channel for that kind of question. what's the problem?`
`09:39.34`	`Julia`	`icebrain: Im trying to figure out, where an old partition started. The partition before ends at cylinder 6879 according to fdisk. I tried 6880 for the next partitions, but the fs (reiser) cannot be mounted. Can it be, that the next partition starts at 6879? Can one partition start in the cylinder in wich the one before ends?`
`09:40.10`	`liable`	`hmm, whats that program, gparted iirc?`
`09:40.45`	`Julia`	`liable: could be you mean gpart. but the partition was encrypted, so gpart cannot find it.`
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`09:40.53`	`Julia`	`i have to guess where it started.`
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`09:41.08`	`liable`	`Julia: ah, the fun of encryption :)`
`09:41.09`	`Backie`	`Hi guys, I've just updated mysql using lenny's repos and mysql is no longer working. http://pastebin.com/vMBT43Az output and my.cnf anyone got any ideas on how I can get mysql back up?`
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`09:41.32`	`icebrain`	`Julia: A partition shouldn't start over another, unless that table was bad, afaik`
`09:41.43`	`liable`	`and yeah, its gpart i was thinking of`
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`09:41.57`	`icebrain`	`btw, TestDisk can recover LUKS encrypted partitions`
`09:42.29`	`Julia`	`icebrain: it was cryptsetup, not luks. i know luks writes an unencrypted header to the disk. thats why i dont use it.`
`09:42.46`	`wols`	`icebrain: not totally. an extended partitions raison d'etre is to hold other partitions`
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`09:43.36`	`Julia`	`icebrain: strange, i just created sda8 with fdisk (used the default values it suggested) and it starts at 14417 which is the same sector sda7 ends with.`
`09:43.38`	`icebrain`	`wols: sure, but in that case the other partitions are fully contained in the extended part`
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`09:44.07`	`Julia`	`so maybe fdisk uses smaller units then cylinders?`
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`09:45.00`	`cast`	`LUKS is pretty good, the unencrypted header does not compromise confidentiality at all`
`09:45.24`	`Julia`	`and somehow i have the feeling that the "end" cylinder is not used. my hd has 19457 cylinders and the last partition ends at 19458.`
`09:45.46`	`Julia`	`so somehow i guess the "end" cylinder of one partition can be used as the "start" cylinder of the next.`
`09:46.05`	`cast`	`what does plan old cryptsetup create use for a password to key function?`
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`09:52.08`	`granquet`	`how am I supposed to use 'bugreport' if my debian machine doesn't have an internet access? oO`
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`09:53.47`	`[Jasper]`	`hej guys, I have fcgid with suexec and php5...my directorys are 755 for the users....they can't write to them though`
`09:53.54`	`[Jasper]`	`anyone got any idea what could be the problem?`
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`09:55.07`	`jelly`	`granquet: it also creates a mail message template that can be used on another machine`
`09:55.38`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: 5 = read and execute, not write. perhaps wrong ownership?`
`09:56.15`	`granquet`	`jelly: yeah, I see, but seems it doesn't give every details ... like the mail address to send to ... and I'm on gentoo here, I don't really want to install a whole debian system in a chroot just to run bugreport :-/`
`09:57.29`	`azeem`	`granquet: bugs.debian.org has more information`
`09:58.20`	`granquet`	`azeem: right, I'm on it, just found this page: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting , seems I have everything I need there. sorry seems using debian makes me angry :-/`
`09:58.34`	`ethanol`	`granquet: then you're doing it wrong.`
`09:59.33`	`hatter_`	`if my external hosts are restricted by /etc/hosts.allow, where is the security issue using password-less keys on them ?`
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`10:00.40`	`Fri13`	`Quick question, is there a LiveCD available from the testing branch?`
`10:00.43`	`[Jasper]`	`755 is owner can do everything right?`
`10:00.50`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: yes, owner only.`
`10:01.02`	`ethanol`	`Fri13: not sure, but I think so`
`10:01.10`	`liable`	`Fri13: ask #debian-live on oftc`
`10:01.19`	`[Jasper]`	`since with fastcgi it should run as owner...I wonder why it doesn't work..`
`10:01.19`	`ethanol`	`oftc?`
`10:01.19`	`liable`	`or see their wiki`
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`10:01.25`	`Fri13`	`ethanol: liable thanks for both.`
`10:01.52`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: try setting group to 7 and see if that helps? then you'll know it does not run as the owner you expect it to`
`10:02.07`	`liable`	`ethanol: the debian irc network`
`10:02.15`	`ethanol`	`ethanol: wasn't aware there is one`
`10:02.22`	`blip2`	`^.^`
`10:02.24`	`ethanol`	`err...`
`10:02.30`	`liable`	`:P`
`10:02.30`	`ethanol`	`:\|`
`10:02.35`	`anddam`	`thanks`
`10:02.36`	`anddam`	`bye`
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`10:02.42`	`ethanol`	`not sure how that happened.`
`10:02.45`	`ethanol`	`scratches head`
`10:03.11`	`[Jasper]`	`ethanol...but then I wonder it won't run as the group either..`
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`10:05.58`	`chessboxing`	`hi, how do I set the file permissions, when I make a file. I /etc/profile gives me umask. But how to do this for each user diffrent?`
`10:06.36`	`liable`	`hmm, actually`
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`10:06.59`	`liable`	`oftc isnt debian, but all the devs moved to it. irc.debian.org resolves to it`
`10:07.06`	`liable`	`learns something`
`10:08.01`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: then write a file to /tmp and see who created it`
`10:08.01`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`liable: 'all the devs moved to it'? hm...`
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`10:08.12`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: should give you a clue as to what it runs as`
`10:08.21`	`liable`	`Kamping_Kaiser: well yes, most of the dev channels are on it`
`10:08.53`	`liable`	`anything other than plain #debian has moved to it basically`
`10:09.15`	`liable`	`even though there are still small channels for obscure things on freenode`
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`10:09.31`	`[Jasper]`	`can anyone write to tmp?`
`10:09.50`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`yeah, general dev has, but from the way you said that it sounded like there was no more dd's on freenode ;)`
`10:10.01`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: uh, usually it is world writable`
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`10:10.40`	`liable`	`Kamping_Kaiser: not at all, but there was general apparent hatred for lilo, and the dummy spit resulted in a lot going to oftc :P`
`10:10.59`	`[Jasper]`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 23060701 23060701 26 2010-05-11 12:12 testFile.txt`
`10:11.08`	`[Jasper]`	`it's written as the correct user ethanol`
`10:11.15`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: funky.`
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`10:11.28`	`madmuppet006`	`I have just recently installed lenny 64 on my computer .. I thought I had installed the ati drivers for it but when I glxinfo I get a glxinfo: command not found ..`
`10:11.36`	`[Jasper]`	`ah found the problem ethanol`
`10:11.39`	`[Jasper]`	`my bad :p`
`10:11.40`	`liable`	`be carefull with /tmp perms, it can break stuff`
`10:11.49`	`madmuppet006`	`so Im not sure if I have installed correctly or not`
`10:11.51`	`[Jasper]`	`removed the file allready`
`10:11.52`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`liable: :)`
`10:11.54`	`ethanol`	`liable: we aren't changing them`
`10:12.06`	`[Jasper]`	`I think I'm gonna symlink all my dirs in /tmp P`
`10:12.07`	`[Jasper]`	`:)`
`10:12.22`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: eh?`
`10:12.31`	`azeem`	`[Jasper]: /tmp is purged on reboot`
`10:13.06`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: yeah, also that just doesn't make any sense.`
`10:13.07`	`Coweater`	`chessboxing: set it in each user's ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile`
`10:13.17`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: what is the problem however? if it runs as the correct user..`
`10:13.45`	`chessboxing`	`Coweater: hmm ok`
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`10:14.12`	`[Jasper]`	`just a joke :P`
`10:14.19`	`[Jasper]`	`ethanol the problem i found :)`
`10:14.26`	`[Jasper]`	`it wrote to /home instead of /data`
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`10:14.54`	`chessboxing`	`Coweater: ok, thanks. This will set 'uploaded' files (directories?) with a umask right?`
`10:15.23`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: wrong path? heh. sloppy :>`
`10:15.41`	`Coweater`	`chessboxing: don't think so, uploaded through ftp accounts?`
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`10:16.01`	`[Jasper]`	`yes it was :P`
`10:16.05`	`[Jasper]`	`very sloppy to be precise`
`10:16.16`	`[Jasper]`	`ethanol I moved 70 websites from /home to /data`
`10:16.22`	`[Jasper]`	`guess I forgot to change some stuff :p`
`10:16.31`	`ethanol`	`keeps most of them in /var/www`
`10:16.46`	`chessboxing`	`no, specifically in my situations, downloaded torrents (not .torrents the files)`
`10:17.21`	`ethanol`	`chessboxing: depends on what user the client is running as`
`10:17.22`	`[Jasper]`	`another question though....is grep 'string' * -R a good way to find stuff inside files?`
`10:17.28`	`Coweater`	`oh, i guess if the torrent client is running from a shell login it'll affect it`
`10:17.45`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: grep -iR string *`
`10:18.08`	`amol112`	`hi all i have installed latest alsa-driver but getting error as ALSA lib pcm _dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave`
`10:18.30`	`chessboxing`	`ethanol: that was my idea. To let it depend on the user.`
`10:19.37`	`ethanol`	`it usually does.. unless it runs under root, then you can pick whatever`
`10:20.33`	`[Jasper]`	`ethanol...takes long loing long`
`10:20.35`	`[Jasper]`	`is that normal?`
`10:20.53`	`TAD_`	`I've looked and didn't find who wanted cx_Oracle, a python module to access Oracle DB; I've built my own using alien from the rpm, but is there any reason it's not packaged in Debian?`
`10:21.06`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: if there are a lot of files, yes`
`10:21.09`	`cahoot`	`amol112: running what version of debian?`
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`10:21.45`	`[Jasper]`	`hmm`
`10:21.52`	`[Jasper]`	`any faster way ethanol ?`
`10:22.16`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: limit target files?`
`10:22.27`	`ethanol`	`for example, *.php`
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`10:25.49`	`amol112`	`cahoot, i am using lenny`
`10:26.12`	`cahoot`	`amol112: restarted alsa?`
`10:26.36`	`cahoot`	`(alsa force-reload as root)`
`10:26.58`	`amol112`	`cahoot, yes`
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`10:27.50`	`cahoot`	`amol112: what dose fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* (as root) return?`
`10:27.58`	`cahoot`	`s/dose/does/`
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`10:31.59`	`Julia`	`Hey People! Whats the way to install debian these days? www.debian.org gives me a weird german translation and i dont know where to download what to get started.`
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`10:32.29`	`bzed`	`Julia: set your browser to english then`
`10:32.41`	`Julia`	`bzed: yeah. just did it. now i have it in english.`
`10:32.41`	`bzed`	`Julia: or klick on en somewhere at the end of the page`
`10:32.43`	`themill`	`Julia: or click the language link at the b ottom`
`10:33.11`	`Julia`	`themill: i did that, but it only worked for the first page.`
`10:33.16`	`amphi`	`the german page is weird?`
`10:33.20`	`Julia`	`themill: after a click, it went back to german.`
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`10:33.30`	`bzed`	`the whole debian.org page is weird yes ;)`
`10:33.38`	`Julia`	`i hoped, debian was more straigh forward.`
`10:33.49`	`Julia`	`not trying to guess so much.`
`10:33.54`	`bzed`	`Julia: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual`
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`10:34.10`	`amphi`	`bzed: it's not as austerely elegant as it once was, I agree`
`10:34.12`	`bzed`	`Julia: debian is, but the webpage is a bit messy :)`
`10:34.19`	`themill`	`Julia: your browser is explicitly requesting the German version in preference to the English version.`
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`10:35.43`	`Julia`	`ok, so i choosed "Installation Guide for Intel x86" and got this monster of a page: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/`
`10:36.01`	`Julia`	`is this a joke?`
`10:36.01`	`azeem`	`Julia: yes`
`10:36.05`	`azeem`	`eh, no`
`10:36.07`	`azeem`	`it's the correct page`
`10:36.09`	`themill`	`yes, it's terrible when documentation actually exists`
`10:36.33`	`azeem`	`Julia: if you think you know everything already, just install it`
`10:36.42`	`themill`	`just don't complain here when it doesn't work out`
`10:36.50`	`azeem`	`it should be self-explanatory for easy use-cases`
`10:37.18`	`Julia`	`wow`
`10:37.43`	`Julia`	`i thought something has changed since 1999`
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`10:38.15`	`bzed`	`Julia: also if you would read the page instead of talking bullshit, you would see, that you don't even need to read most parts of the guide`
`10:38.27`	`themill`	`Julia: are you actively trolling now in repayment for all the time that jelly spent helping you earlier?`
`10:38.28`	`bzed`	`Julia: as it describes various ways of installation you'll never need`
`10:38.54`	`Julia`	`themill: hey, at least im going to try debian now!`
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`10:39.21`	`Julia`	`downloads debian-504-i386-netinst.iso`
`10:39.41`	`GeekyLink`	`This has been kind of bugging me, I seem to be missing the openGL subroutine man pages. Seems to be a common thing (from googling) but haven't found a decent solution aside from manually downloading them. Anybody know if there is a package with the man pages in it or do I just need to bite the bullet?`
`10:39.46`	`hideo`	`Julia: oh jeez, we're so privileged to have you tried debian for us`
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`10:40.13`	`liable`	`wait`
`10:40.24`	`Julia`	`hideo: well, we are in the age of attention economy.`
`10:40.35`	`Julia`	`hideo: attention is the new money.`
`10:40.40`	`liable`	`hmm, what did i miss?`
`10:40.46`	`azeem`	`Julia: please keep it on topic`
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`10:41.28`	`Julia`	`azeem: if the ethics of installing debian is offtopic, i apologize.`
`10:41.44`	`Appl6`	`zobel readies the banhammer`
`10:42.08`	`azeem`	`Julia: apology accepted`
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`10:44.59`	`Julia`	`since im comming from ubuntu - what would you say are the main advantages of debian ober ubuntu?`
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`10:45.08`	`Julia`	`s/ober/over`
`10:45.12`	`azeem`	`Julia: irc support is better`
`10:45.29`	`hideo`	`less noobs, ubuntu is the noob gate keeper`
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`10:45.35`	`GeekyLink`	`less bloated in my experience`
`10:45.36`	`Julia`	`azeem: i know. thats what brought me here in the first place :) so i can give support.`
`10:45.59`	`azeem`	`Julia: you haven't impressed us so far`
`10:46.17`	`sdousley\|work`	`Hi, I'm trying to install vmware on my server that has a backported kernel, however, I'm having trouble installing the kernel sources for the backported kernel, as it seems like it needs linux-kbuild-2.6.32, which isn't available in the backports repository`
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`10:46.32`	`azeem`	`sdousley\|work: you can install it from testing`
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`10:46.40`	`sdousley\|work`	`azeem: how do I do that?`
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`10:47.01`	`azeem`	`just downloading and using dpkg -i on it should probably work`
`10:47.09`	`azeem`	`I really wonder why they don't include it in backports`
`10:47.53`	`sdousley\|work`	`azeem: yeh, I wondered that, I realised I was just using aptitude install rather than pointing it to the backports tree, so assumed that was why it wasn't working, but seems that defining the backports tree doesn't work either :(`
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`10:48.26`	`Julia`	`burns the iso...`
`10:49.18`	`azeem`	`twitters about Julia burning her iso`
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`10:50.09`	`Julia`	`azeem: you can let em know its done burning`
`10:50.24`	`sdousley\|work`	`azeem: thanks, that seems to have sorted it :)`
`10:50.42`	`Julia`	`reboots. (famous last words...)`
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`11:15.07`	`mattgirv`	`o/`
`11:15.20`	`l403`	`guys, anyone know what is the name of the file roller binary?`
`11:15.34`	`mattgirv`	`l403: Should be file-roller`
`11:15.49`	`mattgirv`	`l403: Listed as 'Archive Manager' within GNOME menus though.`
`11:16.05`	`l403`	`but I am running fluxbox`
`11:16.11`	`l403`	`and would like to launch it`
`11:16.13`	`mattgirv`	`l403: file-roller`
`11:16.15`	`azeem`	`l403: then install it`
`11:16.42`	`l403`	`is it possible it got uninstalled while upgrade from lenny to squeeze?`
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`11:16.50`	`azeem`	`maybe`
`11:16.51`	`mattgirv`	`l403: apt-get install file-roller`
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`11:25.25`	`groove`	`hi, i'm getting an error during boot for my network card module saying it can't load the firmware file, but it is in /lib/firmware within the initrd`
`11:25.34`	`groove`	`is there something else i'm likely to be missing?`
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`11:30.41`	`Backie`	`Guys, I am having an issue with apt-get, a failed install is continualy failling even when I try to do something else. Command and output http://pastebin.com/VKtGfRhP`
`11:31.25`	`ethanol`	`Backie: aptitude > apt-get`
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`11:31.44`	`ethanol`	`fix your mysql 5.1 config`
`11:32.07`	`Backie`	`ethanol, theres nothing wrong ith the config, it's a bad lib link it seems.`
`11:32.11`	`ethanol`	`read /var/log/syslog why it's failing @ startup`
`11:32.12`	`ethanol`	`no`
`11:32.36`	`ethanol`	`going from 5.0 to 5.1 results in broken config`
`11:32.41`	`ethanol`	`I had the same issues`
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`11:32.58`	`themill`	`Backie: what version of debian is this?`
`11:33.01`	`ethanol`	`certain options/switches are no longer supported and throw errors`
`11:33.07`	`ethanol`	`hence mysql wont start`
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`11:33.25`	`Backie`	`ethanol and I told it to go with the standard configure the maintainer used/supplied (I think).`
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`11:33.30`	`Backie`	`*config`
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`11:33.44`	`ethanol`	`you sure about that?`
`11:33.46`	`ethanol`	`pastebin your config`
`11:33.50`	`Backie`	`themil, lenny orginal install with a sid update and upgrade`
`11:34.07`	`ethanol`	`also, did you check /var/log/syslog`
`11:34.22`	`Backie`	`http://pastebin.com/GfEguBBW`
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`11:34.30`	`themill`	`Backie: please tell me you didn't do that (a) on a server and (b) just to get mysql 5.1`
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`11:34.55`	`ethanol`	`skip-bdb option blocks mysql 5.1 from starting, known issue`
`11:35.10`	`ethanol`	`so there is one fail in your config for sure`
`11:35.15`	`Backie`	`themil yea I did it on a server, after the lenny repo mysql broke and I've spent ages trying to get mysql to work`
`11:35.17`	`themill`	`there's also nothing "default" about that config`
`11:35.34`	`ethanol`	`mysql works fine on my lenny servers`
`11:35.35`	`themill`	`Backie: seriously... there is no place for sid on a server.`
`11:35.46`	`ethanol`	`from lenny backports`
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`11:36.08`	`ethanol`	`running 5.1.45-1~bpo50+1-log`
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`11:36.41`	`haldur`	`Helloo, how do I know which version of debian should I download? [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch], I have DELL Studio 1555`
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`11:37.06`	`ondrejk`	`haldur: amd64 should be fine`
`11:37.08`	`mattgirv`	`haldur: amd64 unless you specificially want to avoid 64bit architecture`
`11:37.10`	`Backie`	`Heres what I did, I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade then mysql went down and since then I've spent over two hours trying to figure out how to get it up`
`11:37.11`	`cahoot`	`haldur: you know what cpu your system has?`
`11:37.21`	`ethanol`	`Backie: fix the config dude`
`11:37.36`	`ethanol`	`Backie: I'm telling you, the config file is blocking mysql from starting up properly`
`11:37.45`	`ethanol`	`I had the same issue when going from 5.0 to 5.1`
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`11:37.54`	`themill`	`Backie: so you now have a lovely mix of lenny and sid. And you've installed the sid minefield on your server. I don't think you appreciate the full horror of your situation just yet.`
`11:37.56`	`Backie`	`ethanol, so how would I fix the config ?`
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`11:38.05`	`ethanol`	`first of all, remove skip-bdb`
`11:38.09`	`ethanol`	`then try starting mysql again`
`11:38.11`	`ethanol`	`if it fails`
`11:38.14`	`ethanol`	`check /var/log/syslog`
`11:38.14`	`Backie`	`done`
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`11:38.27`	`themill`	`Backie: I would really recommend reinstalling and going back to lenny.`
`11:38.28`	`ethanol`	`it will mention which options are no longer supported or deprecated`
`11:38.48`	`Backie`	`themill if only that was an option. I've been wishing it was for ages :p`
`11:39.00`	`themill`	`Backie: why is it not an option?`
`11:39.01`	`mattgirv`	`Backie: Why isn't it?`
`11:39.02`	`ethanol`	`I'm with themill on the lenny/sid issue; but aside from that getting mysql working should not be too much of a hassle`
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`11:39.58`	`Backie`	`because it's not really my server, don't have access to ovh manager to get install it. Other than that I could manage it once the guy who has access pops up`
`11:40.19`	`themill`	`it's not really your server but you just decided to upgrade to unstable?...`
`11:40.37`	`haldur`	`cahoot, Intel Core 2 Duo T6600`
`11:40.48`	`mattgirv`	`haldur: amd64 will be fine :)`
`11:41.02`	`Backie`	`themill, basically yea. :D`
`11:41.17`	`mattgirv`	`Backie: Ouch, someone isn't going to be a happy bunny`
`11:41.18`	`mattgirv`	`:p`
`11:41.21`	`cahoot`	`haldur: lots of RAM?`
`11:41.29`	`haldur`	`4gb`
`11:41.31`	`ethanol`	`haldur: amd64`
`11:41.33`	`ethanol`	`for sure`
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`11:41.47`	`Backie`	`mattgirv, they won't notice or care, not really tech savy.`
`11:41.51`	`haldur`	`ok, thnx :)`
`11:41.56`	`Backie`	`Well they will care if i don't get mysql back up`
`11:42.26`	`mattgirv`	`Backie: Heh. Well it is 'unstable' for a reason, you'll get far too many package changes for a server configuration.`
`11:42.30`	`ethanol`	`Backie: dude, fix the config`
`11:42.38`	`Backie`	`ethanol, I am looking into it`
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`11:42.46`	`ethanol`	`Backie: seriously it can't be that hard`
`11:42.55`	`ethanol`	`took me 1 minute to fix all the errors on mine`
`11:43.53`	`ethanol`	`kinda sloppy though that it's not backwards compatible in the sense that it just ignores the old no longer supported options/switches`
`11:44.13`	`ethanol`	`stopping the entire server from starting is rather harsh/crude`
`11:44.28`	`themill`	`ethanol: sounds like the mysql development process`
`11:44.35`	`ethanol`	`hehe`
`11:44.51`	`ethanol`	`sometimes I wonder if we should make the switch to postgresql`
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`11:48.40`	`Number5`	`Hello my friends, I wrote my own app in C and I want it to run it as daemon when my system boots up. My only problem is to write a script in /etc/init.d. I know there is a skeleton, which is a template script, but it didn't work for me. Unlike other daemon, mine is in /home/user directory, I thought it should oalso work there.`
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`11:49.48`	`bzed`	`Number5: if you would tell us what 'does not work' means, somebody might be able to help you`
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`11:51.27`	`ethanol`	`Number5: I wrote this one :o http://etc.robbast.nl/ipwall/etc/init.d/ipwall`
`11:51.34`	`Number5`	`bzed: sorry for not being clear enough. I copied skeleton file and modified pieces in there. I used this as an example: http://girasoli.org/?p=120`
`11:52.04`	`ethanol`	`though I think mine is broken partially`
`11:52.35`	`Number5`	`bzed: after that I did: ./mydaemonscript start And than nothing happens, also no error shown, also nothing in messages log.`
`11:52.42`	`Number5`	`ethanol: thnx I'll look at it`
`11:52.57`	`bzed`	`Number5: run it with bash -x and see what happens`
`11:52.58`	`themill`	`Number5: think about what "./" means`
`11:53.14`	`ethanol`	`bash -x is a good option yes`
`11:53.26`	`themill`	`hmm... ignore me`
`11:53.56`	`Number5`	`bash -x? never tried that, well, it's time to try it out now :)`
`11:54.08`	`ethanol`	`Number5: man bash`
`11:54.34`	`Number5`	`themill: what's your point? ./xx executes ./xx`
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`11:55.12`	`themill`	`Number5: "[12:53] <themill> hmm... ignore me" (I misread that as a line from inside your init script)`
`11:55.57`	`Number5`	`Another question, just to make sure. If I have a daemon in a home directory, that makes no difference right? I mean a directory is a directory, or are there some hidden things I should be aware of?`
`11:56.12`	`Number5`	`themill: ok :)`
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`11:56.45`	`ondrejk`	`anyone familiar with apache clusters?`
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`11:57.09`	`Argafal`	`!anyone`
`11:57.09`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.`
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`11:57.35`	`ondrejk`	`Argafal: ok sry`
`11:57.41`	`Argafal`	`ondrejk: ;)`
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`11:58.30`	`ondrejk`	`i'm going to create apache cluster on debian lenny, i didnt do this before, all i know is technical base of cluster, so i'm looking for some good howto or something`
`11:59.05`	`ethanol`	`define apache cluster?`
`11:59.59`	`ondrejk`	`ethanol: we're running web server based on apache and because of **** php and orm, we're having issues with availability`
`12:00.23`	`ondrejk`	`so we want to create cluster for apache performance balancing`
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`12:01.10`	`ondrejk`	`ethanol: application rewrite isn't possible at this time`
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`12:01.40`	`ethanol`	`ok, so load balancer -> serveral web servers`
`12:02.17`	`ondrejk`	`ethanol: exactly`
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`12:04.32`	`ethanol`	`etch or lenny?`
`12:05.38`	`ondrejk`	`ethanol: lenny`
`12:05.43`	`ethanol`	`ondrejk: http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-high-availability-load-balancer-with-haproxy-heartbeat-on-debian-lenny`
`12:05.54`	`ondrejk`	`ethanol: thanks`
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`12:06.48`	`unixp`	`how was the command to see the used kernel version?`
`12:06.50`	`ethanol`	`that's just one option`
`12:06.59`	`[Jasper]`	`hej guys, how can I find as much information as possible about my memory`
`12:07.03`	`[Jasper]`	`without actually opening the case :P`
`12:07.09`	`[Jasper]`	`like cl2.5 or 3 etc`
`12:07.10`	`Tux^verdreifelt`	`unixp: uname`
`12:07.38`	`ethanol`	`ondrejk: you can also look in to http://www.inlab.de/balanceng/index.html`
`12:07.44`	`unixp`	`u know where to find the virtualbox-ose-modules for my kernel?`
`12:08.26`	`Appl6`	`unixp: Specifically, try "uname -a".`
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`12:13.42`	`Julia`	`Im back!`
`12:13.53`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: try cat /proc/meminfo, though that doesn't give you as much as you'd want`
`12:13.56`	`Julia`	`After 5 years of ubuntu, this is my first boot into Debian.`
`12:14.50`	`paradigm`	`Julia: stepping up in the world :D`
`12:14.58`	`Backie`	`ethanol, right I'm at a loss at how you can find out what config value needs changed from http://pastebin.com/3jCdY15W any chance you can point me in the right direction?`
`12:14.59`	`ethanol`	`I disagree to be honest`
`12:15.02`	`Julia`	`"epiphany webbrowser".. is that a renamed firefox?`
`12:15.09`	`ethanol`	`ubuntu has my preference for desktops, debian for servers`
`12:15.12`	`icebrain`	`Julia: no, the renamed firefox is Iceweasel`
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`12:15.13`	`paradigm`	`no, the renamed firefox is iceweasel`
`12:15.14`	`tarzeau`	`paradigm: so did i step down, when i moved from debian to ubuntu?`
`12:15.14`	`streuner_`	`Julia: /msg dpkg iceweasel`
`12:15.24`	`tarzeau`	`paradigm: i don't think so.`
`12:15.33`	`paradigm`	`Aww`
`12:15.34`	`paradigm`	`to each his own`
`12:15.36`	`paradigm`	`I guess`
`12:15.42`	`tarzeau`	`you should use chromium-browser anyways`
`12:15.50`	`tarzeau`	`much faster than iceweasel/firefox`
`12:15.51`	`ethanol`	`firefox is poop`
`12:15.56`	`ethanol`	`I can't imagine why people still use it`
`12:16.01`	`paradigm`	`elinks is faster than chromium`
`12:16.08`	`icebrain`	`ethanol: addons`
`12:16.11`	`ReeF`	`hi ethanol`
`12:16.13`	`streuner_`	`old habbits die hard!`
`12:16.14`	`tarzeau`	`icebrain: exist for google chrome too`
`12:16.16`	`Wyzard`	`Julia: epiphany is the GNOME browser`
`12:16.17`	`ethanol`	`stainless on mac, chrome on windows/linux`
`12:16.17`	`ethanol`	`<3`
`12:16.22`	`tarzeau`	`paradigm: can't do css`
`12:16.26`	`tarzeau`	`paradigm: nor javascript`
`12:16.26`	`icebrain`	`tarzeau: show me vimperator and noscript`
`12:16.30`	`paradigm`	`elinks can do css and javascript`
`12:16.36`	`icebrain`	`tarzeau: chrome addons are crippled`
`12:16.46`	`ReeF`	`hi wols !`
`12:16.46`	`ethanol`	`never found any practical use for addons`
`12:16.47`	`ethanol`	`shrugs`
`12:17.06`	`tarzeau`	`paradigm: ah yes? show me a screenshot`
`12:17.06`	`Julia`	`strange, i cannot paste into this window. it gives me this:`
`12:17.09`	`Julia`	`nothing`
`12:17.18`	`Julia`	`i can paste into a root terminal though`
`12:17.33`	`Julia`	`and with the mouse`
`12:17.40`	`Julia`	`but not with CTRL+SHIFT+V`
`12:18.24`	`icebrain`	`I usually paste with shift+insert..`
`12:18.49`	`Julia`	`More importantly: Where do I switch on my external monitor?`
`12:19.07`	`Bushmills`	`power button is a good start`
`12:19.10`	`ethanol`	`Julia: usually it has a power button on the front side`
`12:19.14`	`Bushmills`	`bottom right, often`
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`12:19.26`	`granquet`	`can sysv-rc do "servuce coldplugging" with udev?`
`12:19.37`	`granquet`	`s/servuce/service`
`12:19.47`	`Julia`	`ubuntu had this under "screen resolution" me thinks.`
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`12:20.22`	`icebrain`	`uses xrandr for screen management`
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`12:20.57`	`Julia`	`icebrain: you have the xrandr call in a script that you execute on startup?`
`12:21.01`	`[Jasper]`	`not really ethanol`
`12:21.14`	`[Jasper]`	`I want to plugin second module...just don't know what's in the system`
`12:21.47`	`icebrain`	`Julia: oh, no, I usually don't have an external monitor plugged in, I just do it manually`
`12:22.02`	`Julia`	`icebrain: i only use my external monitor`
`12:22.08`	`Bushmills`	`Julia: you can probe, using xrandr, whether a monitor is actually connected, and change screen layout according to that test`
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`12:22.28`	`Bushmills`	`(good moment to do that is indeed during session init)`
`12:22.31`	`Wyzard`	`granquet: udev is for hardware, not services, so it's not clear what "service coldplugging" means`
`12:22.52`	`azeem`	`Julia: try grandr`
`12:22.57`	`Julia`	`Bushmills: i know. i can set it up via xrandr with --newmode, --addmode, --output and all that.`
`12:23.11`	`ethanol`	`[Jasper]: not sure you can get it any other way other than opening the case then`
`12:23.12`	`Julia`	`azeem: will that make the changes permanent?`
`12:23.22`	`azeem`	`of course not`
`12:23.37`	`Bushmills`	`your desktop environment/window manager may want some care too. like moving a panel to one, or the other screen, and such`
`12:23.41`	`granquet`	`Wyzard: hmm yeah, like when I plug device foo, service bar should be started. I've seen it called "service cold plugging" many times.`
`12:23.51`	`azeem`	`Julia: what if you turn off your external display with it, then you never turn it on again because it is permanent?`
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`12:24.32`	`Julia`	`azeem: i dont know. in the past i just used the "screen resolution" thingy in ubuntu. it somehow worked out.`
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`12:24.49`	`Bushmills`	`getting these things done by test whether you run one or two screens can be comfortable, especially with mobile/portable devices`
`12:24.52`	`azeem`	`Julia: it's a newer thing than what is in lenny I believe`
`12:25.05`	`why_`	`Hi all`
`12:25.10`	`Julia`	`why cant i paste into irssi with CTRL+SHIFT+V?`
`12:25.16`	`why_`	`nope`
`12:25.26`	`azeem`	`Julia: did you copy with ctrl+shift+c?`
`12:25.32`	`ethanol`	`lolz`
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`12:25.37`	`Wyzard`	`Julia: GNOME has a "Monitors" item in the Preferences menu, that might be what you're thinking of`
`12:25.38`	`ethanol`	`azeem: you so funneh`
`12:25.38`	`ethanol`	`:<`
`12:25.52`	`Julia`	`azeem: yes`
`12:25.54`	`Wyzard`	`Julia: irssi runs in a terminal, right?`
`12:25.58`	`azeem`	`Julia: no idea then, works for me`
`12:26.09`	`azeem`	`gnome-terminal, that is`
`12:26.13`	`Wyzard`	`Julia: You're not pasting into irssi, you're pasting into the terminal, and the key for that is Shift-Insert`
`12:26.14`	`icebrain`	`Wyzard: yes`
`12:26.17`	`ethanol`	`Julia: pasting is bad. usually when I paste many lines into irssi it stops me and asks me "are you sure you want to paste X lines"`
`12:26.45`	`azeem`	`Julia: just use the middle mouse button like everybody else`
`12:26.50`	`Julia`	`Wyzard: really? i see no "monitors" under "preferences" nor "administration"`
`12:26.56`	`Julia`	`Wyzard: yes, terminal`
`12:27.16`	`Wyzard`	`Julia: gnome-terminal doesn't interpret the usual ctrl-X, ctrl-C, ctrl-V as clipboard commands because it needs to pass them through to the program running within the terminal (e.g. ctrl-C to terminate a program)`
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`12:27.29`	`Number5`	`Wyzard: and how about pasting on a putty-->ssh-->screen-->irssi?`
`12:27.46`	`Julia`	`Wyzard: i can paste into the root terminal with CTRL+SHIFT+V`
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`12:27.49`	`Noo`	`hey! how do I import my .asc key file into thunderbird enigmail?`
`12:28.03`	`Wyzard`	`Julia: hmm, maybe my Monitors icon came from some non-standard package that I installed`
`12:28.09`	`azeem`	`Julia: are you sure it's a gnome terminal?`
`12:28.11`	`azeem`	`and not xterm`
`12:28.21`	`lindi-`	`xterm does not support clipboard very easily unfortunately`
`12:28.33`	`Julia`	`strange... xrandr --newmode "1280x1024" 108.88 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060 -HSync +Vsync gives me "X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)"`
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`12:29.01`	`Julia`	`i created this line with gtf 1280 1024 60`
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`12:29.31`	`Appl6`	`Julia: Wyzard: The "Monitors" thing is gnome-display-properties.`
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`12:30.03`	`azeem`	`which doesn't really manage multiple monitors in lennny`
`12:30.25`	`Julia`	`Appl6: thats what comes up under "screen resolution" in the menu. but it seems only to deal with my internal monitor.`
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`12:31.51`	`unixp`	`to give all permission to a folder, what was the right chmod command? chmod a+x "folder" ?`
`12:32.27`	`Number5`	`chmod 777`
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`12:32.49`	`Number5`	`mybe adding -r of recursive?`
`12:33.07`	`mattgirv`	`unixp: Depends, permission to do what? Everything?`
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`12:33.15`	`unixp`	`mattgirv, yeah`
`12:33.17`	`kornerr`	`hello`
`12:33.22`	`Julia`	`Ok, so both ways i know how to configure montiors dont work in debian: 1) gtf+xrandr 2) the "screen resolution" menu entry. Now what? Go into xorg.conf hell and reboot X 200 times?`
`12:33.22`	`mattgirv`	`unixp: Then yeah, ^`
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`12:33.41`	`azeem`	`14:22 < azeem> Julia: try grandr`
`12:33.46`	`unixp`	`mattgirv, but it doesnt work`
`12:33.53`	`kornerr`	`what's the procedure of accepting packages for Debian? I'm interested in an updated CEGUI`
`12:33.54`	`unixp`	`mattgirv, i cant save a file for example`
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`12:35.51`	`Julia`	`aaaahhh! me thinks mode "1280x1024" was already defined...`
`12:35.52`	`mattgirv`	`unixp: You tried chmod -R 777 /directory/name/here ?`
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`12:36.49`	`icebrain`	`!tell kornerr about nmg`
`12:36.50`	`unixp`	`mattgirv, thx that was it :)`
`12:37.03`	`kornerr`	`icebrain: thanks`
`12:37.04`	`mattgirv`	`unixp: Just be careful what you apply it to :)`
`12:37.13`	`unixp`	`mattgirv, i know :D`
`12:37.38`	`icebrain`	`kornerr: for any doubts, try #debian-mentors`
`12:37.45`	`kornerr`	`ok`
`12:38.04`	`Julia`	`"xrandr: cannot find crtc for output VGA" hmmm...`
`12:38.23`	`jordanm`	`,versions cegui`
`12:38.23`	`judd`	`Sorry, no package named 'cegui' was found.`
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`12:40.09`	`jordanm`	`kornerr: it looks like the maintainer of that is still active`
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`12:40.34`	`kornerr`	`jordanm: I wonder who is the maintener`
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`12:41.24`	`jordanm`	`kornerr: aptitude show libcegui-mk2-1`
`12:41.48`	`kornerr`	`that's the name of the package I think`
`12:42.27`	`Julia`	`Hmm... if i cant even get the monitor up and running, i will probably not get very far with debian.`
`12:42.46`	`azeem`	`Julia: what graphics card do you have?`
`12:43.00`	`jordanm`	`kornerr: it gives detauls about the package... including who the maintainer is. In order for you to take over packaging of an app you must convince them to orphan it (which will mean the maintainer is no longer active)`
`12:43.06`	`azeem`	`Julia: and please finally try grandr`
`12:43.10`	`jordanm`	`s/detauls/details/`
`12:43.23`	`Julia`	`azeem: some intel graphic card inside a fujitsu notebook`
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`12:45.30`	`Julia`	`azeem: ok, apt-get installed it. run it and turned on the external monitor. it stayed black, grand dissappeared and the terminal shows this: The program 'grandr' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program.`
`12:45.55`	`azeem`	`try running it again, maybe`
`12:46.06`	`Julia`	`and i can move my mouse below the screen now. so x probably thinks there is a screen below that now.`
`12:46.13`	`Julia`	`azeem: same result.`
`12:46.21`	`azeem`	`too bad`
`12:46.38`	`azeem`	`Julia: at least gnome-display-properties will hopefully set your notebook's resolution back to normal`
`12:46.53`	`Julia`	`ok`
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`12:47.25`	`Number5`	`Julia, you should be very lucky that you're a girl/woman. Cause you get so many help. I once asked the same question and those nice dudes responded me with: RTFM!`
`12:48.07`	`azeem`	`Number5: eh?`
`12:48.12`	`Number5`	`And the don't mean by Read The Fine Manual :p`
`12:48.16`	`Julia`	`Number5: yeah it feels great. if that only would turn on my monitor. i think i go and get an ubuntu cd now.`
`12:48.30`	`azeem`	`Julia: try again when squeeze is released`
`12:49.01`	`azeem`	`Julia: or alternatively, try having your monitor be turned on when you boot the notebook`
`12:49.04`	`azeem`	`maybe that helps`
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`12:49.05`	`iceroot`	`Number5: /nick some-female-nick`
`12:49.13`	`Julia`	`azeem: it was on during the whole installation process`
`12:49.25`	`azeem`	`"and turned on the external monitor."`
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`12:49.33`	`Number5`	`no no no, if you want to be a real Linux-babe, you should undergo the horrable Linux ritual, after that you get all the richness of OpenSource ;)`
`12:49.34`	`azeem`	`the installation process is irrelevant`
`12:49.42`	`azeem`	`Number5: please keep it on topic`
`12:49.48`	`Julia`	`azeem: the last time i tried debian it was 2005. so if squeeze comes out in 5 years i might.`
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`12:49.56`	`azeem`	`Julia: whatever`
`12:50.19`	`azeem`	`you could just upgrade to it now for kicks if you plan to jump back to Ubuntu anyway`
`12:50.32`	`azeem`	`can't hurt much`
`12:50.35`	`Number5`	`azeem: just being funny`
`12:50.35`	`Julia`	`azeem: apt-get distupgrade?`
`12:50.39`	`jelly`	`Number5: installing Debian _is_ a horrible Linux ritual`
`12:50.45`	`azeem`	`Julia: sort of`
`12:51.02`	`themill`	`jelly: it is? can't say I've ever found it to be`
`12:51.07`	`azeem`	`Julia: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze`
`12:51.28`	`Julia`	`Whats strange is that grandr shows 3 monitors: VGA, LVDS, TMDS-1. I wonder if that is the problem? because i have only 2.`
`12:51.45`	`Number5`	`Julia, I don't know what you want to get working, but you should be patient, unless you want some obscure hardware with less support to get work`
`12:52.06`	`azeem`	`no idea what TMDS-1 is; maybe some digitial output`
`12:52.32`	`Julia`	`i have the monitor connected to the dvi output via a dvi-vga connector by the way.`
`12:52.38`	`azeem`	`euh`
`12:52.46`	`Number5`	`jelly: not to me, Debian Lenny was always the easiest way to install. What I do is no Desktop install, just a bare minimum, and after that, you install the needed software peace by peace to all your needs.`
`12:52.50`	`azeem`	`Julia: no vga output?`
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`12:53.18`	`Julia`	`azeem: no`
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`12:53.41`	`jelly`	`Julia: xrandr --output VGA --auto`
`12:53.42`	`azeem`	`weird, why does grandr say VGA then`
`12:53.49`	`Agiofws`	`where does mutt store sent mail ?`
`12:53.53`	`Julia`	`someone with fedora seems to have the same problem here:`
`12:53.57`	`Julia`	`http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=202151`
`12:54.03`	`jelly`	`Agiofws: by default, ~/sent I think`
`12:54.18`	`jelly`	`Agiofws: there's a tunable or three for that`
`12:54.50`	`Number5`	`Ubuntu is supposed to be very easy, well guess what, I didn't work on my Dell laptop with 256 MB ram, and no I don't haver the money to buy a new one. If I had the money, I'd buy a Mac book :p I'm honest to you.`
`12:55.00`	`Julia`	`goes over to her 30" cinema hd monitor with DVI input...`
`12:55.32`	`Julia`	`i dont have net over there so cu ...`
`12:55.55`	`Number5`	`Julia: what are you planning to do with your home-cinema screen?`
`12:56.13`	`Number5`	`Bad eyes?`
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`12:56.32`	`azeem`	`Number5: stop hitting on Julia just because she's a girl/woman`
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`12:56.46`	`Julia`	`re`
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`12:56.56`	`Number5`	`azeem: I'm just joking with her like I would joke with a guy.`
`12:56.56`	`Julia`	`that monitor shows the display from the notebook`
`12:57.30`	`Number5`	`azeem: actually I'm jaleous on Julia, I wish I have such a screen`
`12:57.31`	`azeem`	`Julia: what did you expect?`
`12:58.03`	`Julia`	`azeem: nothing. my 19" monitor shows nothing.`
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`12:58.27`	`azeem`	`Julia: ok, so you switched cables?`
`12:58.28`	`Number5`	`Julia: if you think I'm annoying to you, I'll shut my chat`
`12:58.59`	`Julia`	`Julia: sort of. i plugged in the dvi cable of the cinema hd`
`12:59.01`	`Number5`	`maybe cablesnot connected well?`
`12:59.12`	`azeem`	`Julia: ok, so dvi<->dvi?`
`12:59.18`	`azeem`	`maybe the vga-dvi converter was the problem`
`12:59.26`	`Julia`	`azeem: it worked under ubuntu.`
`12:59.39`	`azeem`	`Julia: Ubuntu uses bleeding edge X crack`
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`13:00.20`	`Agiofws`	`jelly, is there a folder that saves the sent email separately ? not just in one text file ?`
`13:00.39`	`Julia`	`azeem: looks like the monitors are coupled somehow. if i change the resolution of one in grandr, both change.`
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`13:00.45`	`azeem`	`Julia: multiple monitors etc. are much more likely to be supported with squeeze`
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`13:01.00`	`azeem`	`Julia: yes, it's probably clone mode`
`13:01.19`	`Julia`	`azeem: how can i switch off clone mode?`
`13:01.24`	`d3c`	`I need MySQL 5.1 but it's only available in experimental mode. would it be bad to install this on a production server?`
`13:01.35`	`azeem`	`Julia: you have to switch off your notebook's internal TFT to get a higher/native resolution on the external one?`
`13:01.38`	`azeem`	`eh, without the ?`
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`13:03.28`	`Julia`	`azeem: maybe. but the cinema hd has 2560x1600 native resolution. the notebook can only do half of that. and the 19" monitor - i can not get it to display anything.`
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`13:04.49`	`azeem`	`Julia: maybe try something reasonable like 1920x1200`
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`13:06.01`	`Julia`	`azeem: yeah, but grand doesnt offer that`
`13:06.07`	`Julia`	`im back to my 19"`
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`13:07.00`	`jelly`	`Julia: xrandr cli is often more capable than a graphical ui tool`
`13:07.14`	`Julia`	`jelly: yes, im trying around with it`
`13:07.29`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: What drivers are you using with xrandr by the by?`
`13:07.41`	`Julia`	`mattgirv: how do i know?`
`13:08.25`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: xorg.conf -> Section "Device" - Driver "driverhere"`
`13:08.30`	`azeem`	`intel`
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`13:08.47`	`azeem`	`Julia: pastebin the output of "xrandr"`
`13:08.51`	`azeem`	`!paste`
`13:08.51`	`dpkg`	`Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.`
`13:09.00`	`Julia`	`azeem: i think i got it working now`
`13:09.17`	`Julia`	`the strange thing is that both monitors show the same resolution`
`13:09.26`	`azeem`	`both external ones?`
`13:09.37`	`Julia`	`the external and the internal`
`13:09.39`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: You might find that your video card doesn't have enough memory for the size you want.`
`13:09.46`	`azeem`	`15:00 < azeem> Julia: yes, it's probably clone mode`
`13:09.47`	`Julia`	`so either one is fcked up.`
`13:10.00`	`Julia`	`mattgirv: it worked under ubuntu`
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`13:10.07`	`azeem`	`I told you you need to disable the internal one if you want native resolution on the external one`
`13:10.13`	`Julia`	`but id dont need the internal one anyway`
`13:10.17`	`azeem`	`Julia: "it worked under ubuntu" is pretty irrelevant here`
`13:10.23`	`Julia`	`so let me try to turn it off`
`13:10.33`	`Julia`	`if im gone thats because something went wrong :)`
`13:11.04`	`azeem`	`something like "xrandr --output LVDS --off --output VGA --auto"`
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`13:12.04`	`Julia`	`phew it worked!`
`13:12.16`	`Julia`	`so the monitor thingy is kind of fixed :)`
`13:12.34`	`Julia`	`will put some lines in a script that i start on startup.`
`13:12.45`	`Julia`	`hmm... should i install thunderbird now?`
`13:12.50`	`azeem`	`icedove`
`13:12.59`	`Julia`	`aha`
`13:13.10`	`Julia`	`ok...`
`13:13.28`	`Julia`	`apt-get installs icedove...`
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`13:13.49`	`Julia`	`and gets a coffee...`
`13:17.12`	`Julia`	`works like a charm!`
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`13:19.25`	`roe`	`Can someone clarify the note on wikipedia that says arm support is being dropped?`
`13:19.55`	`abrotman`	`Roe: URL ?`
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`13:20.09`	`azeem`	`roe: "arm" got superseded by "armeb"`
`13:20.14`	`roe`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases`
`13:20.16`	`mattgirv`	`roe: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/`
`13:20.24`	`roe`	`ah, thanks`
`13:20.59`	`Julia`	`Fonts look a bit strange. When I type "www.google.com" into fire..er..iceweasel the spaces between the www seem a bit to big.`
`13:21.08`	`azeem`	`eh right, armel`
`13:21.28`	`azeem`	`Julia: gnome-font-properties`
`13:21.31`	`azeem`	`or try epiphany`
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`13:22.20`	`Julia`	`azeem: same in epiphany`
`13:22.29`	`Julia`	`not going to install gnome-font-properties today`
`13:22.39`	`azeem`	`it's a capplet`
`13:22.42`	`Julia`	`had enonough of technical stuff for today`
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`13:22.58`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: Eh?`
`13:23.05`	`Julia`	`mattgirv: eh what?`
`13:23.11`	`azeem`	`it's easier to say "gnome-font-properties" than "go to System->Einstellungen->Schrift"`
`13:23.27`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: I am guessing you are running GNOME, you don't need to install anything if so.`
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`13:23.40`	`azeem`	`"Erscheinungsbild", actually`
`13:23.44`	`Julia`	`bash: gnome-font-properties: command not found`
`13:23.54`	`timeoh`	`german ^^`
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`13:23.58`	`Julia`	`azeem: im using an english version of debian`
`13:24.01`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: gnome-appearance-properties`
`13:24.03`	`azeem`	`yeah sorry, gnome-appearance-properties`
`13:24.21`	`mattgirv`	`Then the font tab.`
`13:24.26`	`Julia`	`Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.`
`13:24.32`	`azeem`	`euh`
`13:24.40`	`azeem`	`Julia: are you actually running gnome?`
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`13:25.08`	`azeem`	`hrm`
`13:25.16`	`mattgirv`	`Odd stuff.`
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`13:28.45`	`Julia`	`Wow!`
`13:28.53`	`Vmanz`	`WOW!!!`
`13:28.58`	`paradigm`	`wow!`
`13:29.03`	`Julia`	`After all the help, I did not want to leave without saying bye.`
`13:29.03`	`mattgirv`	`o_O`
`13:29.20`	`Julia`	`But that font preferences thingy completely crashed my machine.`
`13:29.29`	`Julia`	`and it took 2 boots to come back.`
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`13:29.48`	`mattgirv`	`Julia: :( Sounds like you have some serious underlying problems`
`13:29.51`	`Julia`	`first time x complained its not configured correctly.`
`13:29.54`	`paradigm`	`yeah, that' shouldn't happen`
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`13:30.21`	`Julia`	`Well anyhow. I got a working machine now and will configure it over time.`
`13:30.28`	`azeem`	`15:24 < azeem> Julia: are you actually running gnome?`
`13:30.31`	`Julia`	`Thank you all very much for your help.`
`13:30.36`	`Julia`	`azeem: how do i know?`
`13:30.43`	`mattgirv`	`Er. :D`
`13:30.53`	`azeem`	`Julia: do you have a top and a bottom panel?`
`13:31.04`	`azeem`	`and a foot icon on the upper-left corner of the screen`
`13:31.08`	`Julia`	`azeem: no, but thats only because i deleted the top one :)`
`13:31.14`	`Julia`	`i hate top panels.`
`13:31.29`	`azeem`	`hrm`
`13:33.11`	`Julia`	`ok, cu and thanks again1`
`13:33.12`	`Julia`	`!`
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`13:34.35`	`abrotman`	`that was weird ...`
`13:34.54`	`mattgirv`	`I didn't know what to say.`
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`13:39.38`	`joshteam`	`how can i tell my lenny to stop using UTC? :( http://paste2.org/p/823366`
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`13:40.34`	`mattgirv`	`joshteam: Did you export the change to your .profile and log out?`
`13:40.53`	`joshteam`	`mattgirv: no :-p`
`13:40.59`	`joshteam`	`in the past I haven't had to do that?`
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`13:41.32`	`petern_`	`you might want to edit /etc/timezone`
`13:41.37`	`wols`	`!utc`
`13:41.37`	`dpkg`	`from memory, utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart`
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`13:41.58`	`mattgirv`	`joshteam: You might have to change it in the /etc/default/rcS (UTC = no)`
`13:42.12`	`mattgirv`	`joshteam: Heh, what dpkg said.`
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`13:42.32`	`wols`	`dpkg also has a tz trigger /msg dpkg tz`
`13:42.32`	`dpkg`	`i don't know, wols`
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`13:42.42`	`wols`	`dpkg: yes you do`
`13:42.42`	`dpkg`	`I resemble that remark!`
`13:42.51`	`mattgirv`	`!tzselect`
`13:42.51`	`dpkg`	`[timezone] the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone.`
`13:42.52`	`mattgirv`	`:)`
`13:43.14`	`joshteam`	`mattgirv & wols I changed the rcS file - and when I try to run the command I get -> Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method..`
`13:43.25`	`mattgirv`	`reboot`
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`13:43.55`	`wols`	`what kernel version is this?`
`13:44.03`	`wols`	`they should have fixed that one by now`
`13:44.38`	`joshteam`	`rebooting now`
`13:44.45`	`wols`	`you can reboot but when you do, you should go into BIOS to check and change the clock to whatever is proper for if`
`13:44.57`	`wols`	`*is proper for you`
`13:46.07`	`cahoot`	`wasn't there a problem earlier where you had to use hwclock --directisa?`
`13:46.08`	`joshteam`	`ACK! it's still UTC :(`
`13:46.24`	`petern_`	`what does /etc/timezone say?`
`13:46.33`	`joshteam`	`Etc/UTC :-p`
`13:46.38`	`petern_`	`well then`
`13:46.45`	`joshteam`	`i thought tzselect changes that`
`13:46.57`	`petern_`	`that rcS option is to do with whether the bios/system clock is in local time or utc`
`13:47.07`	`petern_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:47.18`	`the-dude`	`what would you guys suggest for building a local mirror, deb-mirror or apt-mirror ?`
`13:47.32`	`petern_`	`edit /etc/timezone yourself`
`13:47.45`	`joshteam`	`okay`
`13:47.48`	`joshteam`	`then do i need to reboot again?`
`13:47.57`	`petern_`	`log out and back in should be enough`
`13:48.03`	`abrotman`	`joshteam: /etc/default/rcS`
`13:48.18`	`joshteam`	`petern_: neg`
`13:48.38`	`joshteam`	`abrotman: UTC=no in there`
`13:49.11`	`abrotman`	`!tell joshteam about set the time`
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`13:51.21`	`joshteam`	`so my rcS doesn't have utc .. i rebooted, and my /etc/timezone is on central`
`13:51.26`	`joshteam`	`yet -- date returns utc.`
`13:51.36`	`joshteam`	`something doesn't seem logical / pragmatic about this :-p`
`13:51.53`	`jordanm`	`!time`
`13:51.53`	`dpkg`	`from memory, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2010.05.11 13:51:53, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html`
`13:52.02`	`jordanm`	`!set time`
`13:52.02`	`dpkg`	`To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.`
`13:52.32`	`wols`	`jordanm: what does your BIOS say?`
`13:52.55`	`joshteam`	`if I do date --set it will just set the date against UTC which is not what I want to do`
`13:53.00`	`joshteam`	`since I want to set it against Central`
`13:53.07`	`jordanm`	`wols: did you mean to ask joshteam?`
`13:53.21`	`jordanm`	`joshteam: read the rest of the factoid`
`13:53.57`	`joshteam`	`"dpkg-reconfigure: command not found"`
`13:54.06`	`jordanm`	`joshteam: again as root`
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`13:54.32`	`joshteam`	`ah.. thanks! haha`
`13:54.36`	`joshteam`	`i thought i was going crazy`
`13:54.42`	`petern_`	`you are :)`
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`13:55.52`	`joshteam`	`haha - thanks guy I really appreciate it`
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`14:06.43`	`pirx_`	`hi! is there any way to somehow "close" an open file for a process (as listed by lsof)?`
`14:07.25`	`ewook`	`open it first?`
`14:07.41`	`l403`	`cant close the process?`
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`14:08.55`	`jelly`	`pirx_: why?`
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`14:09.15`	`jelly`	`(I don't know a way)`
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`14:10.29`	`wols`	`there is a way. of sorts. if you inject code into the owning process`
`14:10.44`	`wols`	`but I don't know of a ready made solution for that`
`14:10.48`	`xro`	`hi, i need python2.6 on debian... someone already installed it? do it work fine? how did you install it?`
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`14:11.04`	`jeff_hann`	`xro, what debian? stable, testing...?`
`14:11.07`	`abrotman`	`xro: which version of debian?`
`14:11.08`	`wols`	`,versions python2.6`
`14:11.10`	`judd`	`python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5-1; squeeze: 2.6.5-1`
`14:11.38`	`Legate`	`How can I find out from which IP I connected to a server (with ssh)?`
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`14:11.55`	`jeff_hann`	`Legate, nestat`
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`14:12.08`	`jeff_hann`	`*netstat`
`14:12.12`	`xro`	`jeff_hann, abrotman, judd, debian 5 32bits...and need python2.6...`
`14:12.35`	`jeff_hann`	`xro, backports`
`14:12.41`	`abrotman`	`it's not in backports`
`14:12.47`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions python2.6`
`14:12.47`	`judd`	`python2.6 -- sid: 2.6.5-1; squeeze: 2.6.5-1`
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`14:13.12`	`jeff_hann`	`abrotman, he's on Lenny`
`14:13.30`	`abrotman`	`i'm aware of that .. there is no backport for python2.6`
`14:13.47`	`xro`	`i didn't find it in backport...`
`14:13.57`	`jeff_hann`	`xro, http://serverfault.com/questions/111337/how-do-i-install-python-2-6-on-debian-5-0-lenny-using-apt-get`
`14:14.10`	`abrotman`	`xro: you'd have to do it yourself, and if you replace your python symlink, stuff may break`
`14:14.36`	`abrotman`	`jeff_hann: did you actually read that .. that will fuck up his system ..`
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`14:14.48`	`abrotman`	`christ .. read that crap before you pass it on ..`
`14:15.15`	`jeff_hann`	`abrotman, sorry, wasn't very attentive`
`14:15.20`	`abrotman`	`or at all`
`14:15.29`	`abrotman`	`xro: do NOT use that link he gave you .. it will break your system`
`14:15.53`	`brammat0r`	`it's a trap!`
`14:15.56`	`xro`	`jeff_hann, ok so, so i should tinstall testing or unstable version? someone already tried it?`
`14:16.12`	`jeff_hann`	`xro, abrotman is right, it was a bad link/idea`
`14:16.20`	`xro`	`jeff_hann, ok`
`14:16.41`	`abrotman`	`xro: you'd have to do it yourself, and if you replace your python symlink, stuff may break`
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`14:16.45`	`simonrvn`	`xro: can you use whatever app you're trying to use on python2.5?`
`14:17.36`	`xro`	`simonrvn, that is an app developped by a teamate... but it need 2.6... because of ssl support`
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`14:18.03`	`simonrvn`	`the ssl in 2.5 not good enough?`
`14:18.04`	`xro`	`abrotman, do you mean download source from testing or unstable and build it manually?`
`14:18.15`	`abrotman`	`not quite .. but it's still not a good idea`
`14:18.16`	`jeff_hann`	`abrotman, if he installs from source in, say, /usr/local ?`
`14:18.28`	`abrotman`	`why didn't the developers target the actual release system instead of being idiots?`
`14:18.33`	`jeff_hann`	`source as in upstream`
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`14:18.54`	`abrotman`	`but if he replaces /usr/bin/python, stuff will likely break`
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`14:19.00`	`abrotman`	`a lot of things depend on python`
`14:19.04`	`simonrvn`	`s,likely,,`
`14:19.12`	`woodworks`	`python stable is 2.7, but 3.1 has been released`
`14:19.20`	`simonrvn`	`...`
`14:19.24`	`mattgirv`	`http://paltman.com/2007/nov/15/getting-ssl-support-in-python-251/`
`14:19.44`	`jeff_hann`	`abrotman, no need to replace it, name the symlink as python26`
`14:19.54`	`simonrvn`	`uh`
`14:20.02`	`abrotman`	`jeff_hann: wtf ..`
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`14:20.07`	`simonrvn`	`the binary is already called that...`
`14:20.22`	`jeff_hann`	`or some other name, different`
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`14:20.30`	`simonrvn`	`stop suggesting dumb things, thank you.`
`14:20.34`	`jeff_hann`	`or am I way too sleepy?`
`14:20.36`	`jeff_hann`	`I am`
`14:20.37`	`jeff_hann`	`ok`
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`14:20.46`	`simonrvn`	`good to sleep then ;)`
`14:20.51`	`simonrvn`	`go to*`
`14:20.56`	`jeff_hann`	`yeah, I better`
`14:21.16`	`simonrvn`	`g'night`
`14:21.18`	`abrotman`	`mattgirv: not sure rebuilding python25 is much better`
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`14:21.26`	`pirx_`	`jelly: apparently the application is doing a read() on a socket that never returns anything. if i could somehow shut it down the application would try to reconnect and some (more or less important) data could perhaps be send`
`14:21.39`	`Number5`	`Ok guys, I have an example script for in /etc/init.d/ which dooesn't work for me. Can someone look at it, please? http://pastebin.org/221777`
`14:21.41`	`mattgirv`	`abrotman: Possibly not, but if you use the source which the stable released is based on, I can't see anything breaking because of it.`
`14:21.45`	`pirx_`	`thats why i try to aviod to kill the process`
`14:21.50`	`abrotman`	`judd: info python-openssl --release lenny`
`14:21.52`	`judd`	`python-openssl (python, optional): Python wrapper around the OpenSSL library. Version: 0.7-2; Size: 86.8k; Installed: 304k; Homepage: http://pyopenssl.sourceforge.net/`
`14:21.54`	`mattgirv`	`abrotman: But yeah, it could be messy.`
`14:22.00`	`abrotman`	`not sure if that's the same thing or not ?`
`14:22.25`	`abrotman`	`pirx_: sighup it?`
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`14:24.54`	`pirx_`	`abrotman: i'm pretty sure it doesnt have any signal handlers`
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`14:25.19`	`pirx_`	`hmm, perhaps i can iptables deny that remote host for a few minutes`
`14:25.26`	`pirx_`	`wonder if that woud make any diff`
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`14:26.33`	`xro`	`judd, is this lib different than --> http://dpaste.com/193231/`
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`14:26.48`	`abrotman`	`xro: judd ise a bot`
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`14:27.11`	`abrotman`	`xro: and that's more of a question for your developers .. if that would work for them`
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`14:27.40`	`xro`	`abrotman, the only problem is that he was here to do the script and run away after that...`
`14:28.00`	`abrotman`	`so call him and tell him he screwed up`
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`14:29.19`	`xro`	`abrotman, but i saw that there is ssl wrapper for socket objects only in python2.6... is your package an 2.5 version that i can install?`
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`14:30.38`	`abrotman`	`xro: i have no idea what ssl you're trying to use .. try it and seee`
`14:30.42`	`abrotman`	`!tell dragos240 about root`
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`14:41.38`	`Number5`	`Hello, I don't know if someone noticed it. But I have an example script which doesn't work for me. Can someone please take a look at it? http://pastebin.org/221777 It's an init-script in /etc/init.d/ directory. Thank you.`
`14:42.26`	`Julia`	`re`
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`14:44.10`	`mattgirv`	`Number5: What doesn't work? Have you ran update-rc.d?`
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`14:44.26`	`dragos240`	`passwd: System error password unchanged`
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`14:45.15`	`dragos240`	`:(`
`14:45.16`	`Number5`	`no, I did "./my_daemon" when checking with ps, I couldn't find my process has started. Also in the messages log I can't see that my_daemon has started.`
`14:45.58`	`dragos240`	`I can't change my password, not as root, not as an unprivilaged user. I get this error:`
`14:46.01`	`dragos240`	`passwd:`
`14:46.06`	`dragos240`	`system error`
`14:46.09`	`jordanm`	`Number5: if the ./my_daemon script does not start without the init script, then perhaps the init script is not the issue`
`14:46.10`	`dragos240`	`password unchanged`
`14:46.12`	`mattgirv`	`Number5: Assuming your daemon works when you manually run it, make sure your script is executable and run update-rc.d scriptname defaults`
`14:46.18`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: what version of debian?`
`14:46.25`	`dragos240`	`squeeze/sid`
`14:46.28`	`dragos240`	`testing`
`14:46.48`	`Julia`	`How do you mount a file as if its a partition? "mount /the/file /the/mountpoint"?`
`14:47.03`	`lindi-`	`Julia: -o loop`
`14:47.04`	`aburch`	`Julia: mount -o loop $file $mountpoint`
`14:47.10`	`Julia`	`thanks`
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`14:47.37`	`Number5`	`mattgirv: jordanm: maybe I did something wrong, a second please`
`14:47.44`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: pastebinit: apt-cache policy libc6; also, how is pam configured, are you authenticating to passwd and shaddow files?`
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`14:47.53`	`aburch`	`Julia: For more complicated things (mounting a filesystem that does not start at the beginning of the file): losetup, then mount the loop device.`
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`14:48.18`	`Julia`	`aburch: ok. will try mount -o loop first.`
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`14:49.45`	`dragos240`	`This is a fresh install. But here is the output of that command. http://pastebin.com/Z3zQdgXj`
`14:49.51`	`Number5`	`mattgirv: jordanm: this is my new script: http://pastebin.org/221870 I modified line 19. When doing: "./my_daemon start" the result is "oops this one failed" . This means test -x $DAEMON failed.`
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`14:50.36`	`Number5`	`I'm not familiar in bash programming, but that's my simple modification in line 19 :)`
`14:50.43`	`Julia`	`aburch: oh, losetup creates a device from the file? so you have a device that you can for example mount to some mountpoint?`
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`14:51.30`	`jordanm`	`Number5: "test" may be bash specific, try [ instead. also, set -x for debugging. did you verify the daemon works without the init script?`
`14:51.42`	`aburch`	`Julia: Yes, mount -o loop does the same (but without having to call losetup by hand).`
`14:51.56`	`mattgirv`	`Number5: Hm.. surely you are testing if it is executable, but it appears regardless of that you are calling it to exit?`
`14:52.18`	`jordanm`	`Number5: also, you usually want to put something like this in /usr/local/bin, not your homedir`
`14:52.18`	`Number5`	`jordanm: yes my daemon works, if I do it manually my daemon works perfect.`
`14:52.24`	`Julia`	`aburch: and /dev/loop0 is the resulting device?`
`14:52.58`	`jordanm`	`Number5: add set -x under the shebang and switch from test to [`
`14:53.08`	`dragos240`	`See my last post. Anyone know a solution?`
`14:53.31`	`Number5`	`jordanm: yes I know, but since I'm testing my whole project, for debugging etc.. I didn't want to put effort in placing config files and executables in standard directories etc...`
`14:53.57`	`Number5`	`jordanm: [ without closing ]?`
`14:53.58`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: amd64? did you install squeeze or upgrade from stable?`
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`14:54.08`	`jordanm`	`Number5: no, [ requires a close ]`
`14:54.21`	`aburch`	`Julia: Yes (or loop1, loop2 etc.)`
`14:54.25`	`jordanm`	`Number5: the command is considered to be "[" though`
`14:54.31`	`dragos240`	`I installed lenny, and upgraded to squeeze. I use i386`
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`14:54.38`	`mattgirv`	`fwiw test exists in pretty much every shell anyway.`
`14:54.38`	`Julia`	`aburch: "losetup /the/file" ?`
`14:54.54`	`jordanm`	`!tell dragos240 moving target`
`14:55.04`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: anything useful in dmesg or /var/log/messages?`
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`14:55.25`	`dragos240`	`Good idea, I'll do passwd again, and check dmesg`
`14:55.26`	`jordanm`	`mattgirv: I was not sure... but I knew [ works in POSIX...`
`14:55.26`	`Number5`	`jordanm what do you mean by "shebang"?`
`14:55.29`	`dragos240`	`give me a min`
`14:55.34`	`jordanm`	`Number5: #!/bin/sh`
`14:55.42`	`aburch`	`Julia: losetup -f $file, or losetup /dev/loop0 $file, or man losetup for other options.`
`14:56.06`	`Number5`	`jordanm: hahaha never crossed my mind :)`
`14:56.09`	`Julia`	`aburch: ok. "losetup /dev/loop0 /the/file" seems to do the trick.`
`14:56.31`	`jordanm`	`Number5: it is what tells the system which iterpreter to use`
`14:56.54`	`dragos240`	`Nothing apprears in dmesg, let me check the logs`
`14:57.05`	`Number5`	`jordanm: yes I know its purpose, but never knew they call it this way`
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`14:57.41`	`dragos240`	`Nope, nothing in /var/log/messages either.`
`14:57.52`	`dragos240`	`Anything else I should check?`
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`14:58.13`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: /var/log/auth.log`
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`15:00.00`	`dragos240`	`May 11 10:56:38 debian passwd[3668]: pam_winbind(passwd:chauthtok): valid_user: wbcGetpwnam gave WBC_ERR_DOMAIN_NOT_FOUND`
`15:00.34`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: sounds like you have PAM configured to auth to windows ldap`
`15:00.55`	`dragos240`	`Hmm.... I don't remember doing that.`
`15:01.06`	`dragos240`	`should I dpkg-reconfigure pam?`
`15:01.22`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: it might have been automatic when you installed winbind`
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`15:01.41`	`dragos240`	`should I remove winbind?`
`15:01.50`	`jordanm`	`do you use winbind?`
`15:01.58`	`dragos240`	`yes for wine`
`15:02.20`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: then you should figure out how to configure it properly`
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`15:02.35`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: /usr/share/doc/winbind/* is likely a start`
`15:02.55`	`jordanm`	`doubts its used by wine`
`15:03.11`	`dragos240`	`knows it can be used by wine`
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`15:03.29`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: what does it do?`
`15:03.45`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: allow use of active-directory applications via wine?`
`15:04.01`	`dragos240`	`A module in the package does some authorizing for certain wine apps`
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`15:04.23`	`Number5`	`jordanm: you're the man! problem is actually something else and I'm a bit ashame to say it, but I'll say it anyway: WRONG TYPED DIRECTORY!!`
`15:04.25`	`dragos240`	`wine asked me to install it.`
`15:04.36`	`dragos240`	`will uninstalling it fix this issue?`
`15:04.41`	`jordanm`	`!congratulate Number5`
`15:04.41`	`dpkg`	`Hugs & Puppies Number5, you did it!`
`15:04.52`	`jordanm`	`,recommends wine`
`15:04.53`	`judd`	`wine -- recommends: ttf-liberation.`
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`15:04.57`	`jordanm`	`,depends wine`
`15:04.58`	`judd`	`wine -- depends: wine-bin (= 1.0.1-1), wine-utils (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-alsa (= 1.0.1-1) \| libwine-oss (= 1.0.1-1) \| libwine-esd (= 1.0.1-1) \| libwine-jack (= 1.0.1-1) \| libwine-nas (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-gl (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-print (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-sane (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-cms (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-gphoto2 (= 1.0.1-1), libwine-ldap (= 1.0.1-1).`
`15:05.10`	`dragos240`	`will uninstalling it fix this issue?`
`15:05.29`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: no idea, I don't use samba, winbind, wine, or any of that stuff`
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`15:05.43`	`jordanm`	`Number5: another reason to use /usr/local/bin? :P`
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`15:06.20`	`dragos240`	`Hmm... I use samba for my school, wine for games, and winbind for a certain module.`
`15:06.31`	`Julia`	`whats a good format these days? ext3?`
`15:06.34`	`jordanm`	`Number5: it should be in a location that a regular user cannot edit or modify it`
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`15:06.47`	`jordanm`	`!start a fs war`
`15:06.47`	`dpkg`	`Sigh, just use ext3 already.`
`15:07.18`	`SirDerigo`	`jordanm, i like ext4`
`15:07.26`	`Number5`	`jordanm: you and abrotman and others do a lot of favour to us. Hahaha yes you are totally right, it's a very good reason to use /usr/local/bin :) If you are in Rotterdam (the Netherlands) I'll invite you to eat koeskoes, a very delicious Moroccan meal :)`
`15:07.30`	`jordanm`	`SirDerigo: not supported in current stable`
`15:07.38`	`SirDerigo`	`jordanm, im on sid`
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`15:08.01`	`wols`	`Julia: if you have to ask, ext3 is what you use`
`15:08.37`	`Julia`	`ok`
`15:08.52`	`Julia`	`so how do i format in ext3? mkfs.ext3 /dev/.. ?`
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`15:09.11`	`jordanm`	`Number5: that you for the offer but that is half way around the world for me :)`
`15:09.25`	`jordanm`	`Julia: yes, assuming you have already created partitions`
`15:09.30`	`dragos240`	`Hmm..... how do I reconfigure pam?`
`15:09.42`	`Julia`	`jordanm: ok.. let me try...`
`15:09.57`	`jelly`	`Julia: yes. mke2fs -j works as well`
`15:09.58`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: there is a detailed PAM administration guide floating around`
`15:10.00`	`jordanm`	`!pam`
`15:10.00`	`dpkg`	`methinks pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html. PAM Always Malfunctions`
`15:10.10`	`jordanm`	`dragos240: there it is`
`15:10.23`	`dragos240`	`Ah, thanks`
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`15:11.12`	`metalfan_`	`hi`
`15:11.23`	`metalfan_`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`15:13.44`	`jordanm`	`mattgirv: apache2.2-common instead of apache2`
`15:13.51`	`jordanm`	`^ metalfan_`
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`15:17.37`	`metalfan_`	`ok, that worked...kinda`
`15:17.48`	`metalfan_`	`Syntax error on line 161 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf i get this after starting apache`
`15:17.57`	`Number5`	`jordanm: ok, since starting the daemon work well, I now have one issue, it can't stop! Maybe because the type of kill signal is different, my app reacts on SIGTERM. If I kill it manually, than it stops.`
`15:18.03`	`Julia`	`hates the "lost+found" directory in ext3`
`15:18.14`	`Julia`	`it looks messy`
`15:18.58`	`abrotman`	`it's supposed tobe empty`
`15:19.12`	`Number5`	`abrotman: hahahaha`
`15:19.21`	`Julia`	`abrotman: yeah, still looks fucking messy`
`15:19.33`	`abrotman`	`wonders what smells ?`
`15:20.42`	`Julia`	`is "cp -r" the right way to copy everything without following symlinks but copying the symlinks themselves?`
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`15:21.17`	`Julia`	`Looks like "cp -a" is the way.`
`15:22.36`	`Julia`	`Will "cp -av" work to see some action on screen while copying?`
`15:22.52`	`dkr`	`-a will preserve links. -P is to not follow them`
`15:23.07`	`Julia`	`yo`
`15:23.42`	`Number5`	`Julia: you could try it out yourself and see the result :)`
`15:23.44`	`dkr`	`man cp is a great place to learn exactly what each option does. :)`
`15:24.14`	`dkr`	`and yes, -v is for verbose`
`15:24.37`	`Julia`	`Number5: well its a very long running thingy so it would be nice to get it right with the first shot.`
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`15:25.32`	`Number5`	`Julia: I know, but you could try with a selfmade directory and put some files, symlinks etc.. and try it out.`
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`15:25.39`	`mquin`	`110`
`15:25.59`	`Julia`	`Number5: too late, started the real deal. im a risk taker, you know.`
`15:26.02`	`Number5`	`Julia: just make one or two files, one symlink and you're done`
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`15:26.40`	`Number5`	`Well, that means you'll learn a lot, cause be warned that you'll make many mistakes :)`
`15:26.53`	`Julia`	`Number5: i dont make mistakes often.`
`15:26.54`	`mattgirv`	`Number5: man ftw`
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`15:27.49`	`Number5`	`mattgirv: what is that for?`
`15:28.10`	`mattgirv`	`Number5: Heh, you are kidding right? :p`
`15:28.28`	`Number5`	`mattgirv: file tree walk? No really`
`15:28.41`	`mattgirv`	`man, as in manpages... for the win.`
`15:29.01`	`mattgirv`	`Sorry, I assumed you meant what is that for with regards to 'man'`
`15:29.38`	`Number5`	`no, I mean ftw()`
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`15:31.24`	`jordanm`	`Number5: for the win!`
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`15:32.00`	`jordanm`	`Number5: commonly a "gamer" term`
`15:32.10`	`Number5`	`jordanm: mattgirv I'm not following you?`
`15:32.24`	`Number5`	`maybe I missed something`
`15:32.32`	`mattgirv`	`Number5: Basically.. in response to your 'you will make lots of mistakes' .. 'man' :)`
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`15:32.46`	`mattgirv`	`forget the ftw part, that was wholly irrelevant really.`
`15:33.13`	`Number5`	`hahaha...ok`
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`15:33.59`	`jordanm`	`man is good until you discovery M-x woman in emacs :)`
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`15:34.12`	`mattgirv`	`jordanm: Sorry, I'm a vim'er`
`15:34.43`	`jordanm`	`mattgirv: ah, and vim has a browsable manpage viewer? :p`
`15:34.52`	`Number5`	`yes with most`
`15:35.03`	`mattgirv`	`jordanm: Well I can view man pages in vim if that's what you mean :)`
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`15:35.38`	`mattgirv`	`I think there is a script, manpageview, which adds the :Man command`
`15:35.45`	`tuvwx`	`if i use emacs' builtin speedbar, i get icons. if i install the speedbar package, speedbar has text icons only. what's going on?`
`15:35.47`	`jordanm`	`Number5: I use most as a $PAGER, but it does not allow for "browsing" like woman does. example - all references to other manpages are selectable so you can jump right to the next manpage`
`15:36.11`	`Number5`	`jordanm: aah cool.`
`15:36.21`	`mattgirv`	`jordanm: Not bad, though I usually only jump to a man to check something.. I rarely, if ever, browse through them one by one ;) Nice feature though.`
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`15:37.10`	`jordanm`	`mattgirv: well, it really useful for something like debian devscripts, where there are 20 different dh_ commands which you will use in your debian/rules file`
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`15:39.15`	`jordanm`	`tuvwx: I have never used speedbar but I just fired it up... You may want to try ECB instead`
`15:39.37`	`tuvwx`	`jordanm: i just need a file tree browser`
`15:39.59`	`jordanm`	`tuvwx: thats exactly what ECB is`
`15:40.41`	`jordanm`	`tuvwx: it has other features specific to coding but perfectly fine as just a file browser`
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`15:41.15`	`jelly`	`jordanm: I wish less had clickable bug report numbers when reading a changelog`
`15:41.21`	`tuvwx`	`jordanm: what am i missing using speedbar that i will get with ecb?`
`15:42.03`	`delaman`	`i can not extract an rar with the usual command "unrar x file.rar" i installed unrar-free but i still get an error. any ideas?`
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`15:42.32`	`jordanm`	`tuvwx: ECB integrates into a single window instead of a seperate one (although that could have been a customizable part of speedbar)`
`15:42.44`	`jordanm`	`tuvwx: there is #emacs that would know more`
`15:42.56`	`lindi-`	`delaman: there's no free software to extract newer rar archives`
`15:42.58`	`abrotman`	`delaman: you may need the unrar from nonfree`
`15:45.35`	`Julia`	`abrotman: is the nonfree stuff written by gnu people or is it from untrusted sources?`
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`15:45.49`	`abrotman`	`it doesn't matter ..`
`15:46.01`	`lindi-`	`Julia: very odd question`
`15:46.21`	`Julia`	`lindi-: in other words, what is the nonfree software?`
`15:46.22`	`delaman`	`lindi- & abrotman both thanks`
`15:46.32`	`wols`	`!tell Julia about dfsg`
`15:46.54`	`wols`	`Julia: software that doesn't conform to the debian social contract. see what dpkg just wrote to you`
`15:47.26`	`Julia`	`wols: so in general the nonfree stuff is not availabl in sourcecode?`
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`15:47.45`	`lindi-`	`Julia: in this case it has source code`
`15:47.49`	`wols`	`usually yes. or if it is you cannot redistribute it under DFSG guidelines`
`15:48.10`	`lindi-`	`Julia: but quite often non-free stuff does not have source code available to users`
`15:48.41`	`Julia`	`if the sourcecode is not available, the software could be dangerous...`
`15:48.49`	`lindi-`	`Julia: sure`
`15:48.56`	`Julia`	`all kind of crap could hide in the binaries.`
`15:49.04`	`lindi-`	`Julia: but it can be dangerous even if source code is available`
`15:49.22`	`wols`	`Julia: software with sourcecode available can be dangerous too. and you download binaries from debian.org. do you trust debian?`
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`15:49.29`	`Julia`	`lindi-: i thought the debian people would read all the code before distributing it.`
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`15:49.46`	`Julia`	`wols: yeah, i trust debian. you have to trust someone.`
`15:49.46`	`lindi-`	`Julia: all of it? sorry, that just doesn't happen`
`15:49.52`	`wols`	`Julia: you thought wrong`
`15:50.04`	`Julia`	`lindi-: really? that sounds dangerous to me.`
`15:50.19`	`lindi-`	`Julia: think of how long it'd take. also reading the code through once is not enough`
`15:50.32`	`Julia`	`i once talked to some mozilla developers and they said all the plugins they put online on their servers get checked by them.`
`15:50.36`	`lindi-`	`Julia: you'd have to become familiar with the code, spend months studying it`
`15:50.46`	`lindi-`	`Julia: you might as well start to develop the program at that point`
`15:50.50`	`jordanm`	`!debstats sid`
`15:51.00`	`jordanm`	`!debstat sid`
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`15:51.04`	`lindi-`	`Julia: sure but plugins are much smaller than all of debian`
`15:51.05`	`saulo`	`Hello all! Somebody with knowledge at Apache could help me to understood what is happening here? This config http://pastebin.com/q3nJGYLe generate the error "client denied by server configuration" when I connect from a SVN client, but from web browser runs perfect!`
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`15:51.09`	`Julia`	`wow, so anyone contributing to debian could take over thousands or millions of machines if he likes?`
`15:51.10`	`jordanm`	`wols: help me out here!`
`15:51.36`	`jordanm`	`!dstats sid`
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`15:51.58`	`lindi-`	`Julia: well of course you need to trust debian developers`
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`15:52.14`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on sid... 29197 packages, 2141 maintainers, 91499 MB installed size, 34142 MB compressed size.`
`15:52.15`	`unixp`	`hey during the installation von vmware server 2 on my debian lenny 5.0.4 machine, i get this error. What must i do? http://paste.debian.net/72956/`
`15:52.23`	`dragos240`	`I figured out the problem. If anyone else is having that "passwd: System error" problem, uninstall winbind, and edit out the winbind line in /etc/pam.d/common-password. :)`
`15:52.23`	`jordanm`	`saulo: #httpd`
`15:53.00`	`Julia`	`lindi-: but all the stuff in debian - its not all written by debian, right? i guess there are X people, GRUB people, Gnome people, etc etc... thousands?`
`15:53.05`	`lindi-`	`Julia: yep`
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`15:53.33`	`Julia`	`lindi-: and never ever one of them freaks out and formats a million pcs for fun?`
`15:53.46`	`lindi-`	`Julia: never say never :)`
`15:53.52`	`Julia`	`damn`
`15:54.05`	`jelly`	`Julia: all of my backdoors are still hidden`
`15:54.05`	`jordanm`	`Julia: look at the stats above: 29197 packages, 2141 maintainers, 91499 MB installed size, 34142 MB compressed size.`
`15:54.16`	`Julia`	`god knows how many backdoors are in that beast.`
`15:54.23`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, install gcc 4.1.3`
`15:54.31`	`saulo`	`jordanm: ty :)`
`15:54.47`	`jordanm`	`,versions gcc-4.1`
`15:54.48`	`judd`	`gcc-4.1 -- etch: 4.1.1-21; lenny: 4.1.2-25; squeeze: 4.1.2-27; sid: 4.1.2-29`
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`15:55.05`	`lindi-`	`Julia: there are some audit projects`
`15:55.16`	`lindi-`	`Julia: that try to go through the code`
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`15:55.34`	`Julia`	`lindi-: ok`
`15:55.45`	`lindi-`	`Julia: but of course they concentrate on critical packages first`
`15:55.54`	`lindi-`	`Julia: and mostly look for unintentional security bugs`
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`15:56.16`	`lindi-`	`Julia: it's simply not practical to read and understand all software before it is included`
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`15:57.05`	`Julia`	`lindi-: its always amazing, that the world is still turning. even though its all just duct tape and thin air.`
`15:57.19`	`lindi-`	`Julia: heh`
`15:58.18`	`lindi-`	`Julia: if somebody starts to use a backdoor actively there's a chance that it will be discovered`
`15:58.28`	`Julia`	`ok`
`15:58.30`	`lindi-`	`Julia: and then it is possible to track down who added it`
`15:58.30`	`Julia`	`have to go now`
`15:58.36`	`Julia`	`thanks for the nice chat!`
`15:58.54`	`Julia`	`puts tin foil had back on`
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`16:01.10`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, how i install gcc easily?`
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`16:01.36`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, aptitude install gcc-4.1`
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`16:02.42`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, it removes: libaudio2{u} libqt3-mt{u} virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-2-486{u}`
`16:02.47`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, is that right?`
`16:03.22`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, are you using stable?`
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`16:03.31`	`nsadmin`	`unixp: have you tried it yet?`
`16:03.32`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, y`
`16:03.50`	`unixp`	`nsadmin, i try it now`
`16:04.33`	`nsadmin`	`then why ask "is that right" before trying... just so you know, that's a little annoying because you could have found out yourself`
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`16:05.09`	`nsadmin`	`also above, judd provided versions of gcc which you could have looked at as well`
`16:05.28`	`nsadmin`	`having said all that... why -just- gcc? what are you trying to do?`
`16:05.44`	`unixp`	`so it removes the virtualbox ose modules because it isnt compatible?`
`16:06.24`	`nsadmin`	`doesn't know anything about that part`
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`16:07.03`	`nsadmin`	`that is a good point tho... why should it remove any modules at all?`
`16:07.46`	`Deffie`	`hi all, theres any precompiled kernel image suitable for an x86 fileserver with a 20TB xfs filesystem ?`
`16:08.05`	`unixp`	`anyway, it continues with the same issue. i installed gcc-4.1 mh i dont know what to do`
`16:08.06`	`jordanm`	`Deffie: the default one?`
`16:08.51`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, wait a second...why do you have gcc 4.3 installed on lenny?`
`16:08.51`	`wols`	`Deffie: maybe use a 64bit one but apart from that, no problems I guess`
`16:08.55`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, cant say`
`16:09.25`	`wols`	`Deffie: you will need to use GPT instead of MBR tho`
`16:09.26`	`aiux`	`, versions gcc`
`16:09.27`	`judd`	`gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1`
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`16:09.49`	`nsadmin`	`jeff_hann: those oss modules he spoke of were connected to the gcc he had`
`16:10.14`	`jeff_hann`	`nsadmin, so reinstalling the modules after installing gcc-4.1 should work?`
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`16:10.25`	`nsadmin`	`hopefully :)`
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`16:11.58`	`nsadmin`	`jeff_hann: probably you should check his sources.list`
`16:12.12`	`Deffie`	`wols jordanm the default has problems when mounting, mount.xfs says "cannot mount on this system", and, i'm not using any partition table, just fs on the disk, i'm now trying to get -bigmem`
`16:12.13`	`jeff_hann`	`he said lenny`
`16:12.41`	`nsadmin`	`it could answer your question of "why did he have that later gcc"`
`16:12.52`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list please`
`16:12.57`	`jeff_hann`	`nsadmin, just to be sure`
`16:13.00`	`jeff_hann`	`:)`
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`16:13.45`	`unixp`	`mom`
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`16:14.23`	`nsadmin`	`melody outside memphis?`
`16:14.49`	`unixp`	`http://paste.debian.net/72962/`
`16:15.12`	`abrotman`	`unixp: put the output of 'aptitude install gcc' in a pastebin`
`16:15.24`	`abrotman`	`unixp: and make sure you do an 'aptitude update' first`
`16:15.43`	`nsadmin`	`hmm, the later gcc could have come from backports`
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`16:15.56`	`abrotman`	`don't think there is one there`
`16:16.17`	`jeff_hann`	`volatile and backports`
`16:16.21`	`abrotman`	`oh there ise a 4.3 in backports`
`16:17.00`	`unixp`	`abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/72963/`
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`16:17.15`	`nsadmin`	`whew... I don't have to postulate about how he might have changed his sources... noting tho that he has the cds commented out`
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`16:18.08`	`abrotman`	`unixp: i thought it wasn't working ?`
`16:18.37`	`unixp`	`abrotman, the vmware installation doesnt works`
`16:18.43`	`abrotman`	`huh ?`
`16:18.47`	`jeff_hann`	`abrotman, installing gcc-4.1 wants to uninstall vmware modules`
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`16:18.52`	`abrotman`	`unixp: use a pastebin .. show us the actual error`
`16:19.02`	`jeff_hann`	`abrotman, he did already`
`16:19.04`	`abrotman`	`you mean virtualbox modules ?`
`16:19.14`	`jeff_hann`	`vmware`
`16:19.23`	`abrotman`	`<unixp> jeff_hann, it removes: libaudio2{u} libqt3-mt{u} virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-2-486{u}`
`16:19.24`	`unixp`	`abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/72956/`
`16:19.56`	`abrotman`	`unixp: and you can't install gcc4.1 ?`
`16:20.03`	`unixp`	`abrotman, that happened while i installed gcc-4.1`
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`16:20.29`	`uwjweq`	`Is there a tool to send an X-App to another display?`
`16:20.38`	`abrotman`	`unixp: uhm .. did you try using the CC env var ?`
`16:20.41`	`unixp`	`abrotman, gcc-4.1 is already the newest version. but why i get this vmware error?`
`16:20.54`	`abrotman`	`unixp: because your kernel was compiled with 4.1`
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`16:21.11`	`abrotman`	`unixp: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ./vmware-installer.pl`
`16:21.40`	`themill`	`does that work these days?`
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`16:21.51`	`abrotman`	`it tells you to do it?`
`16:21.55`	`unixp`	`abrotman, this tip in shell?`
`16:22.02`	`abrotman`	`unixp: try it and see`
`16:22.11`	`themill`	`shrug vmware used not to respect CC just like the nvidia installer`
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`16:22.56`	`abrotman`	`Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. .. from the paste`
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`16:23.46`	`jelly`	`vmware got better`
`16:23.58`	`aarcane`	`okay, so uh.. what does it mean when some packages in aptitude have a bracket around the lowercase a. such as freeradius-common{a}, but others haven't, such as freeradius`
`16:24.10`	`jordanm`	`aarcane: automatically installed`
`16:24.17`	`aarcane`	`aah`
`16:24.21`	`aarcane`	`thanks, jordanm`
`16:24.34`	`nsadmin`	`themill: oh man, if that stopped working I would think that's a major breakage`
`16:24.42`	`nsadmin`	`why would it not work?`
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`16:25.13`	`unixp`	`abrotman, i try actually the installation with CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1`
`16:25.27`	`themill`	`nsadmin: you have to specifically use $CC to make it work. The number makefiles that use "gcc" or "cc" instead is quite large.`
`16:25.42`	`nsadmin`	`oic`
`16:25.50`	`abrotman`	`unixp: what ?`
`16:25.51`	`nsadmin`	`so they hardwire the compiler`
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`16:29.32`	`unixp`	`abrotman, i get now this error on the vmware installation http://paste.debian.net/72965/`
`16:29.52`	`abrotman`	`error ?`
`16:30.07`	`abrotman`	`looks really hard for the error`
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`16:30.35`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, what error?`
`16:30.36`	`nsadmin`	`looks like it worked to me`
`16:30.56`	`aiux`	`!vmware`
`16:30.56`	`dpkg`	`VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net.`
`16:31.19`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, abrotman http://paste.debian.net/72966/`
`16:31.42`	`abrotman`	`that's not an error .. that's a question .. perhaps you should ask #vmware how to answer that`
`16:31.48`	`themill`	`looks really hard for the error`
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`16:32.17`	`abrotman`	`see .. i'm not crazy`
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`16:32.40`	`themill`	`abrotman: wrong... we both are. We established that a long time ago.`
`16:32.42`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, start vmware`
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`16:33.55`	`nsadmin`	`abrotman: you thought you were?!`
`16:34.01`	`barmagnet`	`hi. I would like to clean up my usb disk completely, so that it has no trace of old data. what do you suggest?`
`16:34.09`	`nsadmin`	`maan, that's crazy!`
`16:34.20`	`barmagnet`	`why is it crazy?`
`16:34.33`	`themill`	`dpkg, no, vmware compiler fix is <reply>To solve the vmware compiler problem ("Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.x.y while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3") you should be able to simply: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ./vmware-installer.pl`
`16:34.33`	`dpkg`	`okay, themill`
`16:34.33`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: that's not really possible`
`16:34.33`	`nsadmin`	`sorry, that wasn't for you...`
`16:34.38`	`barmagnet`	`i want to erase the boot sector as well, so that forensic guys can never find out what was there.`
`16:34.58`	`barmagnet`	`lindi-, why not? what law of physics prevents me from erasing the disk completely?`
`16:35.00`	`nsadmin`	`barmagnet, open the drive and break the platters`
`16:35.04`	`jordanm`	`lindi-: you don't think a dd from /dev/random would solve that?`
`16:35.16`	`barmagnet`	`nsadmin, no! I want to use it. don't want to break it. :(`
`16:35.20`	`lindi-`	`jordanm: it won't, the software on the disk reallocates sectors`
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`16:35.39`	`nsadmin`	`then why bother? what are you trying to hide from yourself?`
`16:35.41`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: i was assuming you wanted a debian (=software) solution`
`16:35.43`	`barmagnet`	`lindi-, software on the disk? what software on the disk?`
`16:35.44`	`jordanm`	`lindi-: DBAN?`
`16:35.54`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: of course a hardware solution exists but what has it to do with debian?`
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`16:36.09`	`BlackFate`	`barmagnet: you should user shred...`
`16:36.11`	`jordanm`	`!dban`
`16:36.11`	`dpkg`	`Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq`
`16:36.12`	`barmagnet`	`i am looking for a debian solution. what about dd from /dev/zero?`
`16:36.31`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, if i start vmware i get : http://paste.debian.net/72967/`
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`16:36.46`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: software on the disk yes, the one that controls the drive motors etc.`
`16:36.50`	`BlackFate`	`barmagnet: shred writes multiple times data over a disk so that you wont be able to restore them`
`16:37.08`	`jordanm`	`unixp: you should read the error messages before posting them. In this case, it suggests a command`
`16:37.09`	`barmagnet`	`nsadmin, i am trying to hide viruses. i think some viruses have infected the disk and i want to clean it up thoroughly before using it on windows again.`
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`16:37.23`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, follow that advice`
`16:37.38`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: eh? previously you talked about forensic guys`
`16:37.56`	`barmagnet`	`lindi-, that was to show how serious i am about deleting everything.`
`16:38.17`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: well they are entirely different goals. for just catting zero works`
`16:38.22`	`lindi-`	`+that`
`16:38.22`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
`16:38.37`	`unixp`	`so i get the same issue =/ i f i follow the advice http://paste.debian.net/72968/`
`16:38.56`	`gusnan`	`Running mplayer in squeeze, it seems like the package has dropped the gmplayer program (the GTK frontend) - Where do I find this nowadays?`
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`16:39.16`	`jeff_hann`	`unixp, the prefix the command as before, with CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1`
`16:39.20`	`barmagnet`	`lindi-, so there is software on usb disks? but i guess there are no software on floppy and hard disks. am I right?`
`16:39.32`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: there's always software on hard disks`
`16:39.46`	`barmagnet`	`but i never see any programs in an empty disk? where do they hide?`
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`16:39.58`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: how do you read the disk?`
`16:40.08`	`nsadmin`	`barmagnet: that's an intereting question....`
`16:40.27`	`barmagnet`	`lindi-, i read using nautilus, ls, etc.`
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`16:40.33`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: they just ask linux for the data`
`16:40.38`	`unixp`	`jeff_hann, only tip CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 in the shell or what u mean, i did it before how abortman said. But its everytime the same issue`
`16:40.39`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: and linux asks the drive software`
`16:40.42`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
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`16:41.03`	`nsadmin`	`unixp: so you will have to find out why... it`
`16:41.09`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: just google for hard disk firmware`
`16:41.20`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
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`16:41.44`	`nsadmin`	`unixp: ...is evident that vmware is not liking the modules for some reason`
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`16:42.34`	`korhojoa`	`hay guys. i'm having trouble setting up a ipsec connection, and it's pissing me off to no end. keep getting this 022 We cannot identify ourselves with either end of this connection`
`16:42.34`	`themill`	`would like to actually see what command was typed to make this output`
`16:43.04`	`korhojoa`	`wut`
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`16:43.18`	`korhojoa`	`conradsteink: pinging are we?`
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`16:43.47`	`conradsteink`	`korhojoa: sorry ... i am learning a bit of irc`
`16:43.48`	`korhojoa`	`got left and right both with static ip's`
`16:43.57`	`barmagnet`	`how can one ping a channel?`
`16:44.00`	`nsadmin`	`Pin Ging, wasn't that a major kung fu master?`
`16:44.02`	`korhojoa`	`just maybe don't ping such a huge channel`
`16:44.10`	`JPT`	`just /CTCP #channel ping`
`16:44.19`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
`16:44.21`	`JPT`	`but don't do it... it's evil :)`
`16:44.26`	`barmagnet`	`yes, i know.`
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`16:44.35`	`korhojoa`	`evil would be sending the channel something`
`16:44.36`	`conradsteink`	`yes, now i know ... i doesn't knew what was going to happen`
`16:44.39`	`korhojoa`	`malicious...`
`16:45.04`	`conradsteink`	`():-)`
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`16:45.20`	`nsadmin`	`lies, all lies...`
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`16:46.09`	`nsadmin`	`conradsteink: you knew enough to run the command :)`
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`16:46.25`	`conradsteink`	`nsadmin: i was reading http://searchirc.com/help/findingchannels.php`
`16:46.32`	`pakos`	`hi`
`16:46.43`	`conradsteink`	`i am innocent!`
`16:46.44`	`delby`	`hello. can i list all files that were changed in the last 10 days? i m trying to figure out if my server has been hacked. any better solutions will be much appreciated.`
`16:46.47`	`conradsteink`	`=P`
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`16:46.48`	`nsadmin`	`conradsteink: oh. there's a bot...`
`16:47.01`	`nsadmin`	`conradsteink: /msg alis help`
`16:47.08`	`pakos`	`i have a problem with software/hardware mixing with alsa, any1 could help me? ;)`
`16:47.29`	`wols`	`delby: you can't prove a negative`
`16:47.39`	`nsadmin`	`oops, now he will unleash Pin Ging on all the other channels!!`
`16:47.43`	`nsadmin`	`we're doomed!`
`16:47.47`	`korhojoa`	`delby: ls -laR and use sort?`
`16:47.53`	`Bushmills`	`delby: yes, you can`
`16:48.03`	`wols`	`korhojoa: man find sounds a lot lot better`
`16:48.12`	`korhojoa`	`meh, it was a suggestion`
`16:48.15`	`jordanm`	`delby: find . -mtime 10`
`16:48.16`	`Bushmills`	`delby: but the resulting list would be far from authoritative`
`16:48.16`	`conradsteink`	`nsadmin: thx ... i will ask "alis" for help ;)`
`16:48.33`	`Bushmills`	`delby: man find`
`16:48.46`	`korhojoa`	`argh. anyone know ipsec?`
`16:48.54`	`nsadmin`	`pakos: people will only know whether they can help if you are specific and informative about the problem you have... (just saying "a problem" is useless/worthless)`
`16:49.02`	`Bushmills`	`korhojoa: yes. its authors`
`16:49.19`	`pakos`	`nsadmin: hah true, lemme write more then`
`16:49.30`	`nsadmin`	`!sicco`
`16:49.31`	`dpkg`	`Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.`
`16:49.35`	`korhojoa`	`Bushmills: ba-dum-tschh`
`16:50.06`	`Bushmills`	`korhojoa: glad to help`
`16:50.21`	`delby`	`thanks all.`
`16:50.28`	`korhojoa`	`Bushmills: i'll remember you. you know, for future reference.`
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`16:50.49`	`Bushmills`	`thanks for credits`
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`16:51.15`	`korhojoa`	`"and thanks to bushmills for finally sending me over the edge"`
`16:51.25`	`korhojoa`	`"now i know to only use openvpn"`
`16:51.41`	`korhojoa`	`(just kidding. openvpn sucks even more)`
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`16:51.52`	`Bushmills`	`didn't take much, evidently`
`16:51.52`	`conradsteink`	`thx for the help nsadmin, alis is what i was searching for`
`16:52.05`	`pakos`	`so i have Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02), hda intel driver, debian unstable, alsa 1.0.21, silicon image 1392 hdmi chip and i cannot hear sound from 2 programs, only 1 is working. I'm not sure if my card support software or hardware mixing so i'm stuck :)`
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`16:52.27`	`nsadmin`	`conradsteink, I'm pretty sure it's unique to freenode`
`16:52.35`	`korhojoa`	`just annoying when it was so damn simple between the two pfsense boxes. just check two boxes, put in same values on both end = whoop de-doo it works`
`16:52.45`	`Bushmills`	`pakos: are those program config'ed to use oss?`
`16:52.57`	`BlackFate`	`pakos: try to configure your alsa to use dmix`
`16:53.09`	`jordanm`	`pakos: you probably need somehting like dmix or an external server such as pulseaudio`
`16:53.09`	`Bushmills`	`(through alsa-oss compatibility layer)`
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`16:53.15`	`BlackFate`	`pakos: or use a sound server daemon like pulseaudio to do the mixing`
`16:53.43`	`Bushmills`	`but ALSA does a good job mixing audio ...`
`16:53.43`	`BlackFate`	`pakos: intel cards dont have any hardware mixing.. if you only use alsa... then only one stream works`
`16:53.57`	`pakos`	`Bushmills: im not sure if they are configured, its just rhythmbox and totem`
`16:54.02`	`pakos`	`ah good to know`
`16:54.03`	`BlackFate`	`Bushmills: i think you have to configure to use dmix`
`16:54.03`	`Bushmills`	`uses intel audio, and ALSA mixing works just fine`
`16:54.29`	`pakos`	`Bushmills: how have u done that?`
`16:54.41`	`Bushmills`	`nothing special. out of the box`
`16:54.58`	`pakos`	`o-o`
`16:55.04`	`pakos`	`wierd`
`16:55.26`	`Bushmills`	`though i remember i has to pass a parameter with earlier kernel/module versions`
`16:55.29`	`Bushmills`	`had`
`16:55.46`	`Bushmills`	`that need was gone with - i think - kernel 2.6.30`
`16:57.00`	`pakos`	`erm im confused now`
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`16:57.35`	`cahoot`	`pakos: if you use alsaaware apps you should have no problems with multiple streams`
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`16:57.37`	`Bushmills`	`and i am 100% sure that multiple sound sources are mixed properly. my email notification makes noise, as does my instant messenger. and either does while watching movies or listening to noise`
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`16:58.19`	`pakos`	`BlackFate said it doesnt support hardware mixing, only 1 channel so i have no idea why it works for you`
`16:58.30`	`BlackFate`	`i didnt say that`
`16:58.34`	`BlackFate`	`alsa has dmix`
`16:58.41`	`EmleyMoor`	`What should I add to /etc/modprobe.d to force an option for the ahci module?`
`16:58.43`	`Bushmills`	`i wasn't aware of alsa requiring hardware support for mixing`
`16:58.47`	`pakos`	`18:53 < BlackFate> pakos: intel cards dont have any hardware mixing.. if you only use alsa... then only one stream works`
`16:59.00`	`cahoot`	`that's not true`
`16:59.01`	`BlackFate`	`pakos: unconfigured alsa`
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`16:59.24`	`amphi`	`pakos: not true here`
`17:00.30`	`pakos`	`so easiest way to make it? dmix? pulse?`
`17:00.38`	`amphi`	`jack is fun`
`17:00.43`	`cahoot`	`pakos: dmix is enabled by default`
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`17:00.52`	`pakos`	`so why it deoesnt works?`
`17:01.04`	`cahoot`	`pakos: flash?`
`17:01.21`	`pakos`	`no, rhythmbox+ totem for example`
`17:01.36`	`mattgirv`	`pakos: Are you running those programs on seperate users?`
`17:01.45`	`pakos`	`noo ;)`
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`17:01.47`	`mattgirv`	`As I believe dmix as default doesn't work across multiple users as it locks to one :)`
`17:01.52`	`mattgirv`	`Oh okay.`
`17:02.01`	`Bushmills`	`pakos: make sure that haven't accidently selected OSS audio output`
`17:02.21`	`pakos`	`where can i check it?`
`17:02.34`	`Bushmills`	`configuration would be a good place`
`17:02.52`	`pakos`	`yeha lol but gnome conf or just totem or smth?`
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`17:03.04`	`Bushmills`	`application setup. "properties"`
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`17:04.03`	`pakos`	`as far as i see totem dont have anything like that`
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`17:04.57`	`pakos`	`same as rhythmbox`
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`17:06.13`	`nsadmin`	`pakos: lots of times, you can see how or at least where to configure an app in its man page`
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`17:07.49`	`BlackFate`	`totem and rythmbox both use gstreamer framework.. gstreamer-properties`
`17:07.56`	`BlackFate`	`is where you configure gstreamer`
`17:07.57`	`thrashold`	`Hello. I want to format a disk drive in a special way -> Have one big filesystem covering almost the entire disk, that's not on a partition, and in the MBR (which the filesystem (UDF)) doesn't write to, a partition table that only Linux recognizes, that gives information about partitions after this filesystem where there is Linux installed. Can anyone advice me how to do this?`
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`17:08.55`	`thrashold`	`The problem is that I want to have a UDF partition that Windows recognizes, that covers almost the entire disk, and smaller ext4 partition. However, Windows recognizes UDF only if it covers the entire disk.`
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`17:09.45`	`thrashold`	`So the idea is to have the UDF FS in /dev/sde, and a partition table that has one partition after it?`
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`17:10.14`	`thrashold`	`Hm, screw that. Can you boot Debian from one giant UDF partition?`
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`17:11.44`	`thrashold`	`Like, have an ext4 image on the UDF partition? And grub booting this? :)`
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`17:12.14`	`jhutchins_lt`	`In kde 3.5 is there a way to reverse the taskbar, so the menu button's at the right or bottom and the systray's at the left or top?`
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`17:14.02`	`wols`	`thrashold: why udf?`
`17:14.31`	`wols`	`thrashold: I'm sure the debian live cd can`
`17:14.52`	`wols`	`however, using udf for a writable media is not the brightest of ideas`
`17:14.54`	`thrashold`	`wols: What else do you suggest to use on the disk?`
`17:15.01`	`thrashold`	`What's wrong with it?`
`17:15.06`	`granquet`	`is debian managing udev rules on a "per package basis" or just includes all the common rules in the udev pkg? I appear to have lot of udev rules that seems to be for devices I haven't supported in userland, my mistake or normal behavior?`
`17:15.49`	`wols`	`thrashold: depends on your intended usage`
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`17:16.21`	`thrashold`	`wols: Storage of files (movies, photos, backups) on a hard drive`
`17:16.39`	`thrashold`	`and probably transfer of documents around`
`17:16.48`	`Bushmills`	`granquet: seems that some packages, when purged, don't remove their udev rules`
`17:17.24`	`granquet`	`Bushmills: I guess it's safe to do the purge by myself then.`
`17:17.30`	`thrashold`	`wols: But I want to know why do you consider it a bad idea to use it for a writable media`
`17:17.50`	`Bushmills`	`i came across that too, rules, complaining about obsolete syntax, for which no owners could be found. and relating to stuff long since removed`
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`17:20.11`	`thrashold`	`The only file systems I can use are FAT, NTFS and UDF. FAT is out of question. I don't like the idea of using NTFS for my main data, when I don't even have Windows around, so maybe UDF is the best I can have.`
`17:20.34`	`thrashold`	`Also NTFS-3G didn't act very well on my system when I tried to run bonnie on it`
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`17:21.28`	`granquet`	`Bushmills: thx :)`
`17:23.14`	`thrashold`	`Is NTFS-3G my best choice, regardless of how much I don't like`
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`17:24.59`	`jordanm`	`thrashold: what was the problem with ext3? I see you mentioned you don't have windows around?`
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`17:25.25`	`thrashold`	`I don't, but the disk is external, and I want also use it move data around`
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`17:28.07`	`Bushmills`	`thrashold: windows can read and write ext2 and ext3`
`17:28.23`	`Bushmills`	`it just needs a driver for it (those are available)`
`17:28.34`	`jordanm`	`Bushmills: I would trust linux's ability to read ntfs more...`
`17:28.45`	`wols`	`agrees with jordanm`
`17:29.12`	`wols`	`thrashold: it's a "universal" file format but in practice only for DVDs. see how crappy the real world support for it under windows is`
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`17:30.28`	`Bushmills`	`jordanm: those ext2/3 drivers are most likely derived from free linux file system code`
`17:31.14`	`frostschutz`	`I wouldn't let Windows write on my Linux partitions ... ;)`
`17:31.19`	`Bushmills`	`even without driver to load there is an option`
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`17:32.31`	`Bushmills`	`put program .. not 100% sure about its name .. ext2explore i think ... onto a small FAT partition. that way, it can be started from windows. with this you can read from, write to, ext2/3 partition on the same drive`
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`17:33.34`	`sash_`	`i tried this one single time. i will never do that again, Bushmills`
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`17:41.01`	`barmagnet`	`how can I use dd to zero fill a disk? how would dd know when to stop?`
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`17:41.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/...`
`17:41.40`	`barmagnet`	`SerajewelKS, would it stop automatically when it is done? or it would go on indefinitely?`
`17:41.41`	`jordanm`	`barmagnet: it stops when it reaches the end of the disk and returns out back to your shell prompt`
`17:41.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: it will know when to stop when it tries to write to the disk and the kernel returns an I/O error because it tried to write past the end`
`17:41.46`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
`17:41.54`	`jordanm`	`barmagnet: IIRC you can view progress by sending it SIGUSR`
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`17:42.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`SIGUSR1 to be exact`
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`17:42.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`(there is no SIGUSR)`
`17:42.13`	`barmagnet`	`how can i send SIGUSR1?`
`17:42.19`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: killall -USR1 dd`
`17:43.13`	`lindi-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:43.17`	`SerajewelKS`	`also, i find it hilarious that this spam bot keeps trying to use my mail server as an open relay once an hour`
`17:43.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`apparently the bots are not very smart bots`
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`17:43.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`lindi-: especially if you pass pv -s`
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`17:44.05`	`jordanm`	`also, kill -s USR1 $(pgrep dd)`
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`17:44.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`lindi-: pv -s $(($(fdisk -s /dev/disk/...) * 512))k /dev/zero > /dev/disk/..`
`17:44.49`	`jordanm`	`ah, pkill can do it on its own`
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`17:47.03`	`kurkale6ka`	`Hi, how can I check how much physical memory I have?`
`17:47.13`	`jordanm`	`kurkale6ka: free -m`
`17:47.33`	`jordanm`	`!free ram`
`17:47.33`	`dpkg`	`Unlike information, your computer's memory does not want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.`
`17:47.51`	`lindi-`	`SerajewelKS: why fdisk and not blockdev?`
`17:48.00`	`kurkale6ka`	`jordanm: thx`
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`17:48.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`lindi-: because i didn't know about blockdev before you just said that`
`17:48.22`	`lindi-`	`SerajewelKS: :)`
`17:48.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`lindi-: so $(blockdev --getsize /dev/disk/...) instead :)`
`17:48.48`	`barmagnet`	`i don't understand the free output`
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`17:49.00`	`barmagnet`	`free -m says 3014 and free -g says 2. how can 2 GB be 3014 MB ?`
`17:49.25`	`halflife08`	`barmagnet: paste the output in pastebin`
`17:49.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`because 3014 is less than 3072`
`17:49.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: 3014 is 2.94 GB`
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`17:50.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: and free rounds down`
`17:50.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`NEXT`
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`17:51.02`	`jordanm`	`!next`
`17:51.03`	`dpkg`	`Another happy customer leaves the building.`
`17:51.13`	`barmagnet`	`no, i haven't left the building.`
`17:51.44`	`themill`	`/kick ...`
`17:52.06`	`barmagnet`	`why? why can't happy customer just stay here?`
`17:52.14`	`themill`	`hehe`
`17:52.30`	`SerajewelKS`	`because happy customers don't support the notion that we're all elitist dicks`
`17:52.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`and we have an image to keep up here`
`17:52.41`	`jeff_hann`	`:))`
`17:53.19`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: so to summarize, if you want useful output from free, don't pass it any options at all`
`17:53.42`	`SerajewelKS`	`barmagnet: output is in KB by default, which is precise enough`
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`17:54.40`	`jordanm`	`SerajewelKS: you and your output of kbs and blocks... :p`
`17:54.43`	`jeff_hann`	`or free -b :P`
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`17:55.06`	`kurkale6ka`	`Hi, while viewing a man page, is there a way to call another page without leaving 'less'?`
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`17:55.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: man screen`
`17:55.19`	`jordanm`	`kurkale6ka: if you use emacs woman`
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`17:55.30`	`jordanm`	`SerajewelKS: bah, the correct answer was emacs!`
`17:55.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`jordanm: the correct answer was your FACE`
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`17:55.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`oh snap`
`17:56.07`	`nsadmin`	`Fear Always Creates Entropy?`
`17:56.27`	`kurkale6ka`	`I don't use emacs but thanks`
`17:56.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: good for you`
`17:57.00`	`SerajewelKS`	`!start an editor war`
`17:57.00`	`dpkg`	`ae bites!`
`17:57.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: (and i'm being serious... vim forever!)`
`17:57.22`	`jeff_hann`	`amen`
`17:57.29`	`jordanm`	`kurkale6ka: you don't have to use it for editor functionality. M-x woman does exactly what you want and I have not found a valid replacement`
`17:57.29`	`nsadmin`	`there hasn't been an ae for awhile... or... hmm...`
`17:57.29`	`kurkale6ka`	`SerajewelKS: Me too :)`
`17:57.34`	`nsadmin`	`, versions ae`
`17:57.35`	`judd`	`Sorry, no package named 'ae' was found.`
`17:57.49`	`jelly`	`!ae`
`17:57.50`	`dpkg`	`hmm... ae is Anthony's Editor -- a tiny full-screen editor`
`17:57.52`	`kurkale6ka`	`jordanm: ok, coll. I will try`
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`17:58.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: or use screen like the rest of the civilized world`
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`17:59.29`	`kurkale6ka`	`SerajewelKS: how would screen help with this?`
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`17:59.41`	`jordanm`	`kurkale6ka: you can run emacs in screen? :)`
`17:59.43`	`Arron`	`Hi, wondering if someone can help me with a script that looks up to see if an IP is present in a MySQL database. I'm getting a 403 - Forbidden when ever I type in the IP and hit submit and then the script is suppose to run. This is a post of the code: http://pastebin.com/mTBe9Grw`
`17:59.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: is your goal to have two manpages open at once, or did i misunderstand you?`
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`18:00.03`	`jordanm`	`Arron: #php`
`18:00.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`jordanm: wrong answer`
`18:00.18`	`Arron`	`jordanm: I can't speak there, and I can't register`
`18:00.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`Arron: if you get 403 then it's an apache config issue`
`18:00.28`	`barmagnet`	`SerajewelKS, ok`
`18:00.39`	`jordanm`	`Arron: why can't you register?`
`18:00.39`	`Arron`	`SerajewelKS: I'm using lighttpd. What can solve this?`
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`18:00.51`	`SerajewelKS`	`Arron: ah then it's a lighttpd config problem :)`
`18:00.55`	`kurkale6ka`	`SerajewelKS: yeah, you misunderstood. I want to go to a different page, so close the current one. Without havin to quit, then: man bla...`
`18:00.58`	`SerajewelKS`	`bbl meeting`
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`18:01.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: ah, well... honestly i can't see any reason why you wouldn't just q and "man ..."`
`18:01.19`	`nsadmin`	`bubble meeting? they just pop!`
`18:01.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`kurkale6ka: it's not like that takes forever to type`
`18:01.29`	`barmagnet`	`jordanm, can the emacs woman thing be done using vim?`
`18:01.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`nsadmin: i wish`
`18:01.32`	`abrotman`	`kurkale6ka: you mean back up the manpage ?`
`18:01.33`	`jordanm`	`kurkale6ka: you can use multiple windows inside of screen. so viewing one man page C-a n to make a new window or C-a 0-9 to switch to windows`
`18:01.50`	`jordanm`	`barmagnet: I believe it is specific to emacs`
`18:02.00`	`barmagnet`	`:(`
`18:02.49`	`Arron`	`SerajewelKS: Any suggestions you could point out? ;p`
`18:03.08`	`kurkale6ka`	`I know all this guys, I know it is not a big deal I was just wondering.... I thought something like: man ls, then (for instance) :dmesg`
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`18:05.08`	`kurkale6ka`	`barmagnet: there is a Man plugin for Vim but I was looking for another solution`
`18:05.42`	`_2`	`other than just newer versions of blah. what changes between debian 4 and debian 5 ?`
`18:05.56`	`_2`	`anything major ?`
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`18:06.45`	`barmagnet`	`/etc/debian_version will contain 'squeeze', my favorite toy story character :)`
`18:06.47`	`jelly`	`_2: uh... best to read the release notes?`
`18:07.03`	`jelly`	`dpkg, tell _2 about lenny release notes`
`18:07.24`	`jelly`	`_2: hope that gets you started`
`18:07.31`	`_2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:07.33`	`_2`	`:)`
`18:08.11`	`ponyofdeath`	`hi, trying to have an local mirror in my preseed file http://pastebin.com/fPtQp2ML but looking at the install log it still goes for ftp.us.debian.org any help please?`
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`18:08.17`	`jelly`	`_2: udev is pretty much mandatory now`
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`18:08.49`	`_2`	`can always find a way around that .....`
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`18:09.05`	`jelly`	`nah, you'll want to go with the flow`
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`18:09.21`	`_2`	`why ? i never have yet!`
`18:09.31`	`jelly`	`dpkg, tell _2 about 70`
`18:09.38`	`_2`	`one of the reasons i don't use partitions.`
`18:09.55`	`jelly`	`that's possibly the most visible udev misfeature`
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`18:10.29`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet: I actually have four squeeze dolls.`
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`18:16.39`	`barmagnet`	`how can I see the size of a disk in MBs?`
`18:17.09`	`BlackFate`	`df -h`
`18:17.14`	`_2`	`barmagnet of a disk or of a file system on a disk ?`
`18:17.24`	`barmagnet`	`_2 disk`
`18:17.35`	`barmagnet`	`i think df gives the size of file system`
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`18:17.56`	`_2`	`barmagnet errr mmmm not sure then. i'll look around`
`18:18.00`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
`18:18.24`	`dv-`	`How come colours look substantially different in firefox than in eog and how can I fix it?`
`18:18.38`	`SerajewelKS`	`Arron: without knowing your config? not really`
`18:18.44`	`BlackFate`	`barmagnet: df -h /dev/sda1`
`18:18.54`	`Arron`	`ok :p`
`18:19.08`	`barmagnet`	`BlackFate, it shows it in GB`
`18:19.11`	`barmagnet`	`i want to see in MB`
`18:19.16`	`_2`	`barmagnet cfdisk /dev/sda`
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`18:20.23`	`wols`	`barmagnet: man df. see -B`
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`18:20.49`	`_2`	`wols can't read /dev/sda with df though`
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`18:21.08`	`_2`	`it reads the tmp fs mounted on /dev`
`18:21.13`	`_2`	`or something`
`18:21.37`	`amphi`	`dv-: maybe you can adjust the gamma in eog?`
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`18:22.06`	`barmagnet`	`how is this output okay? http://pastebin.com/Tf9yiTsy the math seems to be wrong`
`18:22.43`	`amartinenco`	`Hi, I am having a problem. I can ssh to my debian5 server through the host name but when I type my local IP address ex. 192.168.1.120 it does not work. I cant even ping my server from my vista machine. Turned off all the firewalls and still does not work. What might be the problem? I have wrt54g router.`
`18:23.00`	`barmagnet`	`no, i think that is okay`
`18:23.06`	`kwame`	`Hi, I have lenny installed on my laptop and want to upgrade to squeeze, here I'm pasting my sources.list, the command I typed to do the upgrade and the error I'm getting`
`18:23.20`	`kwame`	`http://pastebin.com/V6Bkkbxe`
`18:23.29`	`kwame`	`is that a known issue/error?`
`18:23.38`	`barmagnet`	`3.3 MB/s is almost 5 minutes per GB`
`18:23.45`	`amartinenco`	`anyone?`
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`18:25.00`	`barmagnet`	`amartinenco, what does nslookup hostname tell you?`
`18:25.33`	`barmagnet`	`amartinenco, also, what does ping hostname tell you?`
`18:25.51`	`madsara`	`I'll beat him too it -`
`18:25.51`	`barmagnet`	`amartinenco, pastebin as much relevant details as you can provide.`
`18:25.57`	`jelly`	`barmagnet: it seems fine`
`18:25.59`	`madsara`	`ping: unknown host hostname`
`18:26.02`	`madsara`	`Heh.`
`18:26.08`	`barmagnet`	`jelly, yes, that's fine. my math was wrong`
`18:26.23`	`amartinenco`	`i am not at home at the moment but all the pinging and nslookup through the host name works fine`
`18:27.16`	`amartinenco`	`basicaly i found that every machine that is connected to my router can not ping each other nor can file shire. Ex 192.168.1.105 can not ping 192.168.1.110`
`18:27.29`	`kwame`	`seems that the problem is when this package it's attempted to install dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_153-2_i386.deb`
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`18:27.37`	`barmagnet`	`amartinenco, that's strange. you say that when you ping hostname, it says pinging hostname (192.168.1.120) but when you ping 192.168.1.120, no output?`
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`18:28.04`	`amartinenco`	`when i ping host name it gives me my home ip address`
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`18:28.26`	`zrin`	`... and for all runlevels`
`18:28.30`	`kwame`	`anyone?`
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`18:28.52`	`zrin`	`kwame - chech the downloaded package`
`18:28.52`	`barmagnet`	`amartinenco, i haven't understood the question properly. what other IP address is involved apart from home IP address?`
`18:29.05`	`barmagnet`	`it would help if you can describe it in a little more detail.`
`18:29.07`	`jelly`	`kwame: it's known`
`18:29.17`	`jelly`	`!tell kwame about squeeze udev`
`18:29.47`	`amartinenco`	`barmagnet, local ips that are generated by router's DHCP`
`18:30.24`	`amartinenco`	`barmagnet, local ips 192.168.1.xxx can not ping each other on the network`
`18:30.29`	`wols`	`amartinenco: unless your router is running debian I fail to see how this is a debian problem`
`18:30.44`	`dogmeat`	`folks, vncsnapshot on amd64 not working, but works ok on i386. can i just copy over the 32-bit bin and run it?`
`18:30.53`	`kwame`	`jelly: thanks, reading`
`18:31.31`	`barmagnet`	`amartinenco, but you just said that when you ping hostname, it says, pinging hostname (192.168.1.xxx).`
`18:31.58`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: cool utilty, i did not know about it before`
`18:32.09`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: what's the bug report?`
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`18:33.11`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, there was a patch submited to vncsnapshot sf site, not sure if it was captured by the maintainer. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1729613&group_id=46166&atid=445278`
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`18:33.54`	`amartinenco`	`barmagnet, sorry for bad explanation. I assigned domain name to my debian server and forwarded port to it. When I ping the domain name it basicaly says pinging (home IP assigned by IP) i can even SSH through domain. But when i want to connect through lan using 192.168.1.xxx to the same ssh server it does not work.`
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`18:34.45`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, actually i am sure it was not, because it does not work`
`18:34.50`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: ok but report it to debian first`
`18:34.56`	`barmagnet`	`you mean when you try to connect to your server using the domain name from outside the LAN, you can connect.`
`18:34.58`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: then paste me the bug report url`
`18:35.08`	`amartinenco`	`yes`
`18:35.12`	`barmagnet`	`but when you try to connect to your server using the IP address from within the LAN, you can't?`
`18:35.20`	`amartinenco`	`exactly`
`18:35.40`	`barmagnet`	`when you try to connect to your server using the domain name from within the LAN, what happens?`
`18:36.17`	`lindi-`	`debugging network problems over irc is one of the most complex topics :)`
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`18:36.32`	`barmagnet`	`yes, but this has made me a little curious.`
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`18:36.46`	`barmagnet`	`i guess we should move this discussion to #networking`
`18:36.50`	`barmagnet`	`since it seems to be router related`
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`18:37.22`	`amartinenco`	`i dont have domain name for the lan IP. That domain was assigned for IP that was given by ISP.`
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`18:38.12`	`amartinenco`	`ok thx`
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`18:48.04`	`jhutchins_lt`	`amartinenco: Sounds like you may have a firewall set up. By default, sshd listens to all addresses.`
`18:48.13`	`jhutchins_lt`	`amartinenco: Can you ssh to localhost?`
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`18:54.46`	`barmagnet`	`i have zero filled /dev/sdb but i can still see files and folders in the mounted flash drive`
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`18:56.18`	`Bushmills`	`barmagnet: how do you know those come from the actual drive, and not from memory cache?`
`18:56.29`	`barmagnet`	`Bushmills, i don't know.`
`18:56.43`	`barmagnet`	`how can I ask Linux to ignore cache and show me what is really there?`
`18:57.00`	`barmagnet`	`and shouldn't it do it on its own? why should it show me wrong data? shouldn't it take care that the cache is not dirty?`
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`18:57.20`	`icebrain`	`anyone using sup-mail? could you get UTF-8 chars to display correctly?`
`18:57.29`	`Bushmills`	`because filling with zero is not a file system operation on file basis.`
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`18:57.57`	`ocZio`	`Hi All, is there a easy way to disable a user to bind()/connect() ? have the same effect for instance when you try to bind() < 1024 when beeing non root user?`
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`18:58.18`	`Bushmills`	`not the file system driver, but the disk device driver, is asked to place those zeroes`
`18:58.21`	`henkka-`	`hi`
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`18:58.27`	`icebrain`	`hi henkka-`
`18:58.44`	`henkka-`	`could someone here help me install a verison of debian with UNetbootin`
`18:58.45`	`henkka-`	`?`
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`18:59.22`	`henkka-`	`I've kubuntu right now but it runs slowly on my computer and I asked for a recommendation earlier on #linux channel on what distro i should install and they said debian stable`
`18:59.22`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet: Did you issue a "sync" command?`
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`18:59.29`	`henkka-`	`and some other suggestiosn too`
`18:59.35`	`barmagnet`	`jhutchins_lt, no`
`18:59.35`	`henkka-`	`but i cant burn a disc right now`
`18:59.42`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet: You're probably looking at the drive with a GUI that hasn't bothered to re-read the drive.`
`18:59.49`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
`19:00.12`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet: There are File Alteration watcher programs, but they tend to suck up resources and can hang the system.`
`19:00.15`	`Bushmills`	`henkka-: alternative is debootstrap`
`19:00.28`	`henkka-`	`same as UNetbootin?`
`19:00.34`	`barmagnet`	`henkka-, You are moving from Kubuntu to Debian stable, not sure whether you would enjoy it. Debian Stable has old software.`
`19:00.49`	`henkka-`	`yea but the main reason im moving is because kubuntu is very slow`
`19:01.12`	`barmagnet`	`I use Debian Testing since it has more recent software but since it is testing, a few things can sometimes break for a few weeks.`
`19:01.17`	`Bushmills`	`no. not for making an usb drive bootable, but to install a system into a directory or mounted volume of your choice`
`19:01.24`	`barmagnet`	`henkka-, thought it has rarely happened to me.`
`19:01.25`	`henkka-`	`I was hoping Debian would be faster. I dont do much with the computer currently, chat, download videos, play a java game with browser.. that's jsut about it`
`19:01.35`	`barmagnet`	`ok`
`19:01.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: No, debbootstrap installs a bootable Debian system to a chroot, which you can then install the bootloader from.`
`19:01.42`	`Bushmills`	`this volume can then be used as root directory for a kernel you boot`
`19:01.50`	`henkka-`	`i dont know what that means`
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`19:02.18`	`Bushmills`	`of course. sorry i forgot that you're used to ubuntu.`
`19:02.19`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: It's easiest to use if you have a partition that you can turn into the new Debian install.`
`19:02.39`	`henkka-`	`yea my partitions are completely messed up`
`19:02.41`	`henkka-`	`:D`
`19:02.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`unetbootin usually involves making a bootable USB device.`
`19:02.49`	`Bushmills`	`think of "a system" as: kernel + "rest"`
`19:02.50`	`henkka-`	`but becaue of that i've a 25gb empty partition now`
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`19:03.02`	`Bushmills`	`the root file system is "the rest"`
`19:03.13`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Ok, you can use debbootstrap to install debian to that, then boot to it.`
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`19:03.21`	`Bushmills`	`debootstrap installs that, by a simple command`
`19:03.26`	`henkka-`	`ok is it a problem that my current linux partition has onyl 60mb freespace`
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`19:03.32`	`henkka-`	`like can i download that into the other partition?`
`19:03.39`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: With debian you have a lot more chances to get more involved in the system.`
`19:03.42`	`barmagnet`	`fdisk command should be used with a disk, not with a file system, am I right? meaning, I should use fdisk /dev/sdb and not fdisk /dev/sdb1? please confirm.`
`19:03.47`	`Bushmills`	`yes. debootstrap will by default use about 250 mb`
`19:04.02`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Actually, you can install debbootstrap using aptitude.`
`19:04.08`	`frostschutz`	`barmagnet: yup. you also shouldn't zero a device while its mounted ... ;)`
`19:04.09`	`henkka-`	`what's aptitude?`
`19:04.22`	`henkka-`	`oh is it teh apt thing in terminal`
`19:04.23`	`barmagnet`	`frostschutz, what can go wrong in zeroing it while it is mounted.`
`19:04.28`	`henkka-`	`like apt-get or so`
`19:04.42`	`barmagnet`	`henkka-, aptitude is more recommended than apt-get as far as i know.`
`19:04.50`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet:RIght.`
`19:04.59`	`henkka-`	`anyhow so debootstrap how do I do that then?`
`19:05.06`	`frostschutz`	`barmagnet: everything`
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`19:05.45`	`barmagnet`	`oh. i escaped death narrowly.`
`19:05.54`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: aptitude has some more features than apt-get, including a menu mode. It's heavier but resolves dependencies better.`
`19:06.08`	`henkka-`	`I really dont know what's the difference or what that really means :D`
`19:06.13`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, how do i open a debian bug report?`
`19:06.15`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: aptitude install debbootstrap && man debbootstrap`
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`19:06.24`	`Bushmills`	`debootstrap`
`19:06.25`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: apt-get install reportbug`
`19:06.26`	`henkka-`	`so i type that into terminal?`
`19:06.33`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: reportbug vncsnapshot`
`19:06.44`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Yes, or find debbootstrap in the package manager and install it from there.`
`19:06.57`	`Bushmills`	`jhutchins_lt: it is debootstrap`
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`19:07.22`	`henkka-`	`anyway`
`19:07.26`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Bushmills: Sorry, yes it is.`
`19:07.32`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: one b.`
`19:07.55`	`henkka-`	`kk`
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`19:08.16`	`henkka-`	`do i have to type something extra so it goes to the other partition instead of this linux one`
`19:08.20`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Also a good idea to read http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual first.`
`19:08.42`	`LemensTS`	`i cant log onto anything but port 22 ssh, but i have 2 other ports listed http://pastebin.com/Gg4MZSM2`
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`19:08.55`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: You install it to your current partition, then read the man page which will tell you how to run it; when you run it it will install to the other partition.`
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`19:09.08`	`barmagnet`	`fdisk -l shows Disk /dev/sdb: 16.1 GB, 16064184320 bytes. But 16064184320.0 / (1024 * 1024 * 1024) = 14.9 GB.`
`19:09.36`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet: Don't worry about it.`
`19:09.47`	`barmagnet`	`jhutchins, but what does it mean. where did the math go wrong?`
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`19:09.59`	`henkka-`	`http://pastebin.com/yYt3kK8f`
`19:10.01`	`henkka-`	`it says like this`
`19:10.04`	`lindi-`	`barmagnet: 1024 vs 1000`
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`19:10.28`	`barmagnet`	`oh man. this is strange. they should use different units or notation to minimize confusion`
`19:10.34`	`Bushmills`	`jhutchins_lt: "You install it to your current partition.." bad advice - he said he has only 60 MB left on his current partition`
`19:10.53`	`henkka-`	`actually it says 208mb now`
`19:10.57`	`henkka-`	`i dont know where it came back from`
`19:10.59`	`henkka-`	`but anyway`
`19:11.16`	`Bushmills`	`208 is still very tight`
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`19:11.30`	`henkka-`	`yeah all this mess because my hard drive broke down`
`19:11.31`	`henkka-`	`:D`
`19:11.33`	`paca997`	`hello!`
`19:11.36`	`Bushmills`	`don't try to run debootstrap with less than 250 oo 300 mb`
`19:12.02`	`paca997`	`Can anybody help me with remove an annoying app?`
`19:12.13`	`henkka-`	`so what do i do then?`
`19:12.30`	`Bushmills`	`paca997: is that a riddle?`
`19:12.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Bushmills: I don't think it's very bit in itself, and it has to run from the existing linux system.`
`19:12.44`	`jhutchins_lt`	`very big that is.`
`19:12.57`	`paca997`	`http://wklej.org/id/332171`
`19:13.14`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Bushmills: Uncompressed Size: 266k`
`19:13.22`	`paca997`	`Bushmills: i can't remove nodm`
`19:13.27`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: 266k on your current partition, shouldn't be a problem.`
`19:13.53`	`henkka-`	`ok`
`19:13.56`	`jhutchins_lt`	`dpkg: any ideas?`
`19:13.56`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen three-legged badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes!`
`19:13.58`	`henkka-`	`anyway i typed that into terminal`
`19:14.12`	`henkka-`	`http://pastebin.com/yYt3kK8f`
`19:14.14`	`Bushmills`	`jhutchins_lt: there is a difference between installing debootstrap, and installing debian by using debootstrap. the latter will require about 250 MiB`
`19:14.21`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Right.`
`19:14.24`	`henkka-`	`and it asked are you root so i just typed y but nothing happened`
`19:14.37`	`paca997`	`and my X don't work properly with this nodm`
`19:14.51`	`Bushmills`	`because you lied :D`
`19:15.05`	`paca997`	`i have only black screen and cursor`
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`19:15.20`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: sorry, forgot the ubuntuism: sudo aptitude install debootstrap && man debootstrap (double & waits for first command to complete)`
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`19:15.40`	`henkka-`	`ok but should i do that now or seomhwo resolve the space issue somehow`
`19:15.57`	`Bushmills`	`paca997: what window managers do you have installed?`
`19:16.12`	`paca997`	`Bushmills: fluxbox`
`19:16.25`	`Bushmills`	`how do you start X?`
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`19:17.18`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Bushmills: X<cr>?`
`19:17.18`	`paca997`	`when nodm fails, i use 'startx'`
`19:17.33`	`Bushmills`	`try startx $(which fluxbox)`
`19:18.00`	`henkka-`	`how could i make about 90mb freespace`
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`19:18.11`	`Bushmills`	`henkka-: by deleting stuff`
`19:18.14`	`henkka-`	`i dont really have anything downloaded i could delete`
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`19:18.20`	`henkka-`	`so it's basicly just linux`
`19:18.47`	`Bushmills`	`well, praying won't help`
`19:18.52`	`henkka-`	`yea but`
`19:18.59`	`henkka-`	`i dont know`
`19:19.12`	`Bushmills`	`uninstall stuff then`
`19:19.17`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: You can delete stuff like your browser's cache, uninstall various packages, games, etc.`
`19:19.18`	`henkka-`	`how do i do that? =D`
`19:19.32`	`henkka-`	`so packagemanager`
`19:19.33`	`henkka-`	`?`
`19:19.50`	`Bushmills`	`henkka-: did you ever read what you can do with a package manager?`
`19:19.52`	`pallgone`	`does anyone have a clue on this: update-grub is detecting the debian LVM "Found Debian GNU/Linux (5.0.4) on /dev/mapper/8400-root" but does not add it to the grub.cfg (I'm doing this from ubuntu 10.04)`
`19:19.53`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: That's really a question for #ubuntu, but yeah, packagemanager. "Add or Remove Software" on some menus, not all.`
`19:20.01`	`amphi`	`henkka-: apt-get clean might get you some space, if you've never done it`
`19:20.13`	`Bushmills`	`henkka-: or did the idea pop up in your mind that such a program could be used to remove programs?`
`19:20.23`	`henkka-`	`i installed this version of linux only a few hours ago`
`19:20.31`	`paca997`	`Bushmills: thx you so much`
`19:20.36`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: Why on earth are you asking here?`
`19:20.53`	`paca997`	`i was trying to repair this all the day`
`19:21.08`	`Bushmills`	`paca997: uch - you startled me`
`19:21.43`	`barmagnet`	`jhutchins_lt, because debian being the mother of ubuntu has to hear the complaints when ubuntu does some mischief.`
`19:21.45`	`pallgone`	`jhutchins_lt: because in ubuntu noone cares, whatever, forget it if you don't wanna help`
`19:21.56`	`jhutchins_lt`	`barmagnet: Wrong.`
`19:22.11`	`barmagnet`	`what is wrong? debian is a father, not a mother?`
`19:22.16`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: I'm sorry, but it's hard for us to know what's wrong with an Ubuntu program.`
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`19:22.36`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: grub2 isn't even in the current Debian release.`
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`19:22.37`	`henkka-`	`hmm when i open add or remove software it doesnt have any packages`
`19:22.43`	`Bushmills`	`pallgone: what about those "i can't reproduce your problem" situations?`
`19:22.53`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: So most of us aren't running it, though some are and can troubleshoot it.`
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`19:23.13`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: Grub2 is also new enough that it's not implemented consistently between distributions, or even between releases.`
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`19:23.54`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: There are versions of grub2 that don't deal properly with RAID volumes.`
`19:24.19`	`pallgone`	`ok, but squeeze is running grub2... so I thought someone probably had this problem`
`19:24.52`	`Bushmills`	`grub2 is running on a debian branch which is not recommended to be used for general users.`
`19:25.04`	`Bushmills`	`when one does, he is usually chided for doing so`
`19:25.19`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Especially when it does something like screw up grub.`
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`19:25.33`	`pallgone`	`ok, guys... nice chitchat... enjoy`
`19:25.49`	`jhutchins_lt`	`pallgone: Sorry we couldn't be mroe heplful.`
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`19:26.39`	`Bushmills`	`can't you just fall back to stable grub?`
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`19:27.42`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Sorry, this is where we run into problems helping with ubuntu systems, I can't follow the menu and say "oh, you just click the thingy", cause they have a different menu.`
`19:27.58`	`henkka-`	`yea`
`19:28.09`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: However, I have some old notes...`
`19:28.09`	`henkka-`	`anyway i somewhat figured it out it's kind of confusing though`
`19:28.11`	`pallgone`	`I'm using this pc to test various distros... so I need grub2 to detect as many as possible on the boot OS, otherwise it's a hassle`
`19:28.39`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, i just completed reportbug and received the response email. i don't see a bug report tracking number yet`
`19:28.43`	`dkay`	`hello #debian`
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`19:28.54`	`pallgone`	`anyway I'm going to add debian LVM manually...`
`19:29.03`	`dkay`	`is there a realtime kernel for debian lenny available trought apt-get?`
`19:29.06`	`dkay`	`or aptitude?`
`19:29.11`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto`
`19:29.27`	`henkka-`	`yea im trying to make free space now`
`19:29.42`	`henkka-`	`but these packages dont seem very big and it's hard to tell which can be uninstalled`
`19:29.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`You only need ~266k.`
`19:30.03`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Well, games, openoffice - oo should free some space.`
`19:30.10`	`jelly-home`	`dkay: not from debian themselves`
`19:30.11`	`henkka-`	`but wasnt it that i needed 250mb to install Debian?`
`19:30.30`	`henkka-`	`and i dont have open office or any game s:D`
`19:30.36`	`henkka-`	`it's prettym uch just linux`
`19:30.37`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: No, you only need 266k on the current system, then you'll put the new install on the free partition.`
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`19:30.49`	`dkay`	`jelly-home if this kernel is apt-getable i dont care and would try`
`19:30.51`	`henkka-`	`ok so then i dont need to make freespace`
`19:30.52`	`henkka-`	`hmm`
`19:30.52`	`dkay`	`where to find?`
`19:31.14`	`henkka-`	`anyway what do i type into terminal now?`
`19:31.16`	`jelly-home`	`dkay: no idea. I was just being needlessly pedantic.`
`19:31.24`	`henkka-`	`last time it asked "are you root"`
`19:31.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: sudo apt-get install debootstrap && man debootstrap`
`19:31.49`	`henkka-`	`kk`
`19:31.53`	`dkay`	`henkka- never type something stupid`
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`19:32.12`	`dkay`	`henkka- u should google for the "10 deadly linux commands"`
`19:32.24`	`henkka-`	`ok`
`19:32.24`	`henkka-`	`:P`
`19:32.31`	`dkay`	`and always be sure u hit the enter button with the right command`
`19:32.44`	`jhutchins_lt`	`dkay: like find / -exec rm -f {}\;?`
`19:33.06`	`dkay`	`something stupid ye`
`19:33.09`	`dkay`	`but`
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`19:33.24`	`dkay`	`i did a chown -R user:user /`
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`19:33.35`	`dkay`	`i forgot the path :P`
`19:33.45`	`EclipseGc`	`is looking for some help downgrading from php 5.3.x to php 5.2.x but is a total debian noob`
`19:33.50`	`petern_`	`hmm, what is providing /dev/midi* nodes, in debian squeeze?`
`19:33.51`	`dkay`	`was on the way to type in and hit accidently the enter button`
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`19:34.01`	`jelly-home`	`dkay: reinstall might be the easiest solution`
`19:34.29`	`dkay`	`ye, but its easy to mess up the debian installation`
`19:34.36`	`dkay`	`when ur not really carefully`
`19:34.50`	`Bushmills`	`petern_: timidity should`
`19:34.52`	`jelly-home`	`dkay: it's easy to mess up any OS`
`19:35.08`	`dkay`	`i didnt this mistake yet`
`19:35.15`	`dkay`	`was long time ago`
`19:35.22`	`petern_`	`uhhh`
`19:35.29`	`dkay`	`was for henkka-`
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`19:35.32`	`henkka-`	`ok i got the debootstrap`
`19:35.35`	`dkay`	`always be carefull :P`
`19:35.38`	`henkka-`	`or somethnig`
`19:35.54`	`petern_`	`Bushmills, timidity is not installed`
`19:35.57`	`jelly-home`	`dkay: you can also recover the ownerships and permissions from backups, if you have backups of the whole system`
`19:36.07`	`dkay`	`ye,`
`19:36.14`	`dkay`	`but where to find the realtime kernel?`
`19:36.48`	`Bushmills`	`petern_: sound card modules`
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`19:36.59`	`henkka-`	`but i dont know how to start it`
`19:37.09`	`henkka-`	`i tried alt+f2 and typing debootstrap`
`19:37.12`	`Bushmills`	`check lsmod whether there are midi candidates`
`19:37.34`	`Bushmills`	`henkka-: there are man pages. ever heard of those?`
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`19:37.54`	`henkka-`	`yea`
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`19:37.55`	`Bushmills`	`they will tell you about the same people here could tell you - only you don't need to ask man pages.`
`19:38.04`	`zleap`	`Bushmills, unix / linux manual pages, man commadn e.g man ls`
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`19:39.01`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: You'll probably need sudo to run it, but read the manpage first to find out how to tell it where to put the files.`
`19:39.03`	`Bushmills`	`zleap: thank you. i will bookmark this, in case i ever forget.`
`19:39.16`	`zleap`	`np`
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`19:39.36`	`henkka-`	`i didnt really get much of the man page`
`19:39.37`	`petern_`	`Bushmills, yers... they used to be provided by snd-seq-oss, which doesn't appear to exist now`
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`19:40.38`	`Bushmills`	`petern_: you could possibly uninstall the whole oss support from your system.`
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`19:40.51`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Ok, "suite" would be an unfamiliar term, you want "lenny".`
`19:41.09`	`Bushmills`	`not a lot of apps should depend on those anymore. if there are, you may possibly want to get rid of them as well.,`
`19:41.13`	`jhutchins_lt`	`"target" is /dev/sda#, which is the empty partition.`
`19:41.27`	`jhutchins_lt`	`The other things are just options, you don't need them.`
`19:41.31`	`henkka-`	`hmm it was /dev/sda5 I think I've to check though`
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`19:41.38`	`petern_`	`Bushmills, oss-compat is nothing but a couple of modprobe rules`
`19:41.47`	`petern_`	`Bushmills, oss-compat does infact reference snd-seq-oss`
`19:41.57`	`petern_`	`which doens't exist :s`
`19:42.01`	`henkka-`	`why're not the partitions in teh /dev/ folder when u go from root?`
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`19:42.23`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: /dev is devices.`
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`19:42.28`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: fdisk -l will list them,`
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`19:43.18`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: My apologies, you will need to mount the partition and then install to the mount point.`
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`19:43.53`	`henkka-`	`i opened gparted again to se`
`19:43.55`	`jhutchins_lt`	`ls /dev/sd* will show the partitions too.`
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`19:44.41`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Did you read the install guide?`
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`19:44.57`	`henkka-`	`which one?`
`19:45.36`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: I posted the general one previously, but http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426`
`19:45.47`	`henkka-`	`kk`
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`19:46.37`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: THis is pretty clear: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426`
`19:46.40`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gah.`
`19:46.48`	`jhutchins_lt`	`http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap`
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`19:48.44`	`henkka-`	`ok`
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`19:49.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: I know it's a steep learning curve, but it's very worth while, when you've mastered the command line you'll have incredible control of your system.`
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`19:50.05`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Debian is a very good distribution that offers both functional defaults and broad options.`
`19:50.30`	`henkka-`	`yeah`
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`19:51.01`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: So do you think you can manage? I've got to head out to the stables soon and get a couple of horses vaccinated.`
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`19:51.14`	`henkka-`	`maybe thanks for your help`
`19:51.15`	`henkka-`	`=)`
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`19:52.27`	`henkka-`	`hmm it says debootstrap can only be run as root`
`19:52.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: sudo debootstrap?`
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`19:53.28`	`henkka-`	`yea it says something about mounting now`
`19:53.33`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: if sudo won't work, do sudo bash, then do debootstrap lenny /mnt/target`
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`19:53.46`	`ppcleog5`	`i'm using "rsync -avn". when i rsync drive A to drive B i get "librasqal.0.dylib -> \#016\#014\#002\#016\#016#\#016\#016\#014\#002\#016\#016\#016#\#016\#016\#016\#002\#016\#016\#016" when i rsync drive B to drive A i get "librasqal.dylib -> librasqal.dylib" i think this is a sign that one of the drives is corrupted, but which?`
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`19:54.19`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Yeah, you need to mount /dev/sda# /mnt/something`
`19:54.55`	`henkka-`	`so I type /mnt/dev/sda5 or mount /dev/sda5 ?`
`19:56.07`	`henkka-`	`sudo debootstrap lenny /mnt/dev/sda5 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian`
`19:56.09`	`henkka-`	`i typed that`
`19:56.49`	`henkka-`	`it might work now`
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`19:57.10`	`henkka-`	`yea it seems to go through some steps at least... well thanks again if you're going =)`
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`19:59.08`	`achilles`	`hello guys, how the package producers create the configure and make files for projects ?`
`19:59.58`	`achilles`	`I mean is there a special tool that produces the source code into the formal shape ?`
`20:00.31`	`Ikarus`	`formal shape ?`
`20:00.43`	`Ikarus`	`I think the new maintainer guide is what you want to read`
`20:00.52`	`pallgone`	`hmm... lenny`
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`20:01.22`	`jhutchins_lt`	`henkka-: Good work! Now you just need to point your bootloader at it and you're all set!`
`20:01.57`	`corpcomp`	`Does anyone know where I can find documentation on how to install/configure mod-mono for apache2 on my lenny server. I'm not that clued up so need some fairly explicit docs. Yes I have been to the mono site.`
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`20:04.45`	`achilles`	`guys I'm looking for the development environment programmers use to build and modify packages, any help ?`
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`20:04.54`	`zrin`	`is kernet bridge a vitual hub or a virtual switch?`
`20:05.03`	`Flashtek`	`is there an ARM debian channel ?`
`20:05.48`	`jordanm`	`!arm`
`20:05.48`	`dpkg`	`ARM is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture. Devices supported by the Debian arm port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.`
`20:06.04`	`Flashtek`	`kk, thanks`
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`20:08.58`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581230`
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`20:16.59`	`ZALI`	`hi, im new to linux, can someone, please assist me?`
`20:17.22`	`jordanm`	`!ask`
`20:17.22`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.`
`20:18.02`	`brammator`	`how to check installed package files against .deb content?`
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`20:18.17`	`ZALI`	`what linux do i use?`
`20:18.32`	`zrin`	`ZALI: what programming languages do you use?`
`20:18.54`	`jordanm`	`brammator: dpkg --contents`
`20:19.08`	`ZALI`	`english?`
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`20:19.44`	`zrin`	`ZALI: "computers" don't understand english`
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`20:20.20`	`ZALI`	`i just started with linux`
`20:20.22`	`brammator`	`jordanm no, I mean something that gives me list of changed files`
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`20:20.30`	`brammator`	`by md5 for example`
`20:20.38`	`Bushmills`	`ZALI: nobody knows what linux you use. care to tell us, or want to keep the riddle going?`
`20:21.10`	`Bushmills`	`ZALI: i have a riddle for you too: what colour shirt do i wear?`
`20:21.14`	`ZALI`	`i dont know what linux to choose, they are different branches`
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`20:21.27`	`ZALI`	`*there are different branches`
`20:21.51`	`Bushmills`	`what are your requirements?`
`20:21.55`	`zrin`	`ZALI: are you more interested in technical branches, or humanistic, or business?`
`20:22.02`	`brammator`	`ZALI if you're new, try ubuntu.`
`20:22.17`	`ZALI`	`im just 13, not a business guy`
`20:22.19`	`ZALI`	`yet`
`20:22.39`	`zrin`	`ZALI: are you good with math?`
`20:22.42`	`GeekyLink`	`can also check out: http://polishlinux.org/choose/quiz/`
`20:22.44`	`ZALI`	`im ok`
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`20:23.07`	`ZALI`	`i havent started high school math yet`
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`20:23.20`	`zrin`	`ZALI: as brammator said, try ubuntu first`
`20:24.06`	`ZALI`	`ok i'll try ubuntu, to get the feel`
`20:24.35`	`ZALI`	`im not bad with programming, i worked with roms on Windows Mobile, and Android`
`20:24.52`	`ZALI`	`thanks for your guyz help`
`20:25.19`	`zrin`	`ZALI: you'welcome, 13 is the best age to start with "CS" ;)`
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`20:25.36`	`ZALI`	`"CS"?`
`20:26.20`	`zrin`	`"computer science"`
`20:26.26`	`ZALI`	`oh ok`
`20:26.28`	`ZALI`	`thanks`
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`20:28.25`	`ZALI`	`zrin: i am going to put on ubuntu, can i get it off my comp. later? (running Win7)`
`20:28.58`	`_2`	`what is the command to toggle caps-lock on/off ???`
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`20:29.55`	`GeekyLink`	`ZALI: you should look into dual-booting probably`
`20:29.57`	`zrin`	`ZALI: look for vmware player, and "ubuntu vmware apliance" - you will probably find a ready to use installation that you can run within windows`
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`20:30.16`	`GeekyLink`	`actually zrin's idea is better for starting`
`20:30.19`	`ZALI`	`ok thanks`
`20:30.24`	`leftStanding`	`hi, i'm using exim4 on debian5, i used the exim4-config and botched the configuration as exim complains 'Malformed IP aeep.oo 'localhost' in local_interfaces`
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`20:30.40`	`leftStanding`	`i checked that directive in the configuration file and the directive is blank = ''`
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`20:31.06`	`zrin`	`ZALI: try #ubuntu for specific information`
`20:31.33`	`_2`	`and wubi something maybe`
`20:31.38`	`petemc`	`leftStanding: dpkg-reconfogire exim4-config`
`20:31.42`	`ZALI`	`ya im connected to it zrin`
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`20:31.53`	`ZALI`	`but their not helping me`
`20:32.07`	`_2`	`anyone have a clue me in ?`
`20:32.09`	`_2`	`what is the command to toggle caps-lock on/off ???`
`20:32.26`	`_2`	`console command`
`20:32.33`	`leftStanding`	`petemc: i've done that a number of times trying different options and i can't get it to reset. i went as far as purging exim4 from my system, installing xmail, and then installing exim4 back again but it complains with the same error message`
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`20:32.45`	`Bushmills`	`leftStanding: guessing: uninitialized input buffer data, resulting from config statement without assignment. try to assign a valid address`
`20:33.21`	`ZALI`	`@zrin: i wont have any crashes or anything, would I?`
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`20:33.51`	`zrin`	`ZALI: no problems at all in 98% of cases`
`20:34.01`	`jm`	`_2: setleds should work for a virtual console`
`20:34.38`	`ZALI`	`ok thank you zrin`
`20:34.48`	`zrin`	`ZALI: you're welcome`
`20:35.57`	`_2`	`setleds you say.... looking, ty`
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`20:38.25`	`jm`	`actually.. I just realized that setleds can be used in X11 as well, if you know the tty`
`20:38.39`	`jm`	`for instance, setleds +caps < /dev/tty7 worked for me in an xterm`
`20:38.55`	`leftStanding`	`Bushmills: I was ignoring the timestamp on the paniclog AND not removing it from the file system. so on service start it would complain. i fixed it by removing the log file. thanks for hearing me out`
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`20:49.26`	`LemensTS`	`in rsnapshot i backup a few servers. one server has a different port then 22. how do i specify that? "backup root@server:/etc/files localhost/files"`
`20:50.34`	`petemc`	`LemensTS: you can use ~/.ssh/config to specify an alternate port for a host, there may be a more rsnapshot specific way to do it tho`
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`20:51.45`	`jordanm`	`also, /etc/ssh/ssh_config`
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`20:53.27`	`LemensTS`	`petemic: thanks, that will probably work`
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`20:54.12`	`LemensTS`	`petemc: hey what permissions should ssh/config have`
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`20:55.08`	`jordanm`	`LemensTS: 600`
`20:55.34`	`steampunkey`	`Can this: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 provide (albeit limited) downgrading?`
`20:55.58`	`jordanm`	`!partial downgrade`
`20:55.58`	`dpkg`	`This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'`
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`20:58.33`	`mguy`	`Holy crap this old hard drive is the slowest thing ever.`
`20:59.37`	`fefo`	`nope.. my old usb-flashdrive is the slowest thing ever`
`21:00.17`	`fefo`	`since i've washed it in my washing machine`
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`21:00.51`	`Bushmills`	`you know, for cleaning it you can just create a new file system on it`
`21:01.41`	`Bushmills`	`doesn't have to undergo detergent ordeal to accomplish that`
`21:02.08`	`steampunkey`	`fefo: my hdd is semi-dead, so be grateful.`
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`21:03.09`	`henkka-`	`hi`
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`21:03.27`	`henkka-`	`i tried using debootstrap earlier for installing debian but`
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`21:03.38`	`henkka-`	`the system just crashed in the middle of it`
`21:03.45`	`fefo`	Bushmills: yes, but what about ``avivage''
`21:03.48`	`henkka-`	`and then this linux wouldnt start and`
`21:03.49`	`fefo`	`:P`
`21:03.53`	`henkka-`	`I had to reinstall kubuntu`
`21:03.58`	`henkka-`	`so well yeah`
`21:04.19`	`fefo`	`avivage => freshening`
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`21:04.39`	`fefo`	`Bushmills: it smells really good :)`
`21:04.50`	`Bushmills`	`Dictionary Results: No matches could be found for "avivage".`
`21:05.11`	`fefo`	`in slovak it is avivaz`
`21:05.12`	`Bushmills`	`ah`
`21:05.43`	`Bushmills`	`"fragrance"`
`21:06.46`	`fefo`	Bushmills: dictionary gives me ``freshening''
`21:07.19`	`fefo`	`Bushmills: fragrance => vona`
`21:07.35`	`fefo`	`it has different meanings in slovak`
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`21:26.53`	`puty`	`hi my iceweasel last time close without any error v 3.0.6 any idea?`
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`21:30.00`	`puty`	`i mean my browser lately closes wihout error`
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`21:30.25`	`Vroomfondle`	`have you run it from the command-line?`
`21:31.07`	`J2000_ca`	`How do you download debian patches to the orginal source?`
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`21:32.29`	`SoulSeller`	`puty, why don't you give Chrome a try? Only if you don't use many firefox extensions, of course.`
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`21:34.54`	`SoulSeller`	`I don't tell you that it isn't buggy but it's lightweight imo.`
`21:35.03`	`puty`	`SoulSeller is not enough large google monopoly?`
`21:35.12`	`puty`	`:-)`
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`21:35.55`	`SoulSeller`	`Heh, you are right about that.`
`21:36.19`	`puty`	`:-)`
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`21:37.19`	`ponyofdeath`	`hi, seems that the squeeze netinstall images cannot detect my hard drives and just hang on partitioner is this a known issue?`
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`21:37.28`	`rgov`	`I'm trying to apt-get update as root but receiving E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/`
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`21:37.52`	`zrin`	`rgov: read-only file system?`
`21:37.53`	`puty`	`i'am using iceweasel long time and before never had problems`
`21:38.08`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: squeeze d-i is not meant for production use`
`21:38.09`	`zrin`	`rgov: or full volume?`
`21:38.21`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: use the lenny d-i and select testing`
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`21:38.48`	`rgov`	`zrin: neither (i can touch to the dir, and there's 7 GB free)`
`21:38.59`	`puty`	`any idea? maybe reinstall?`
`21:39.47`	`azeem`	`puty: what did you do when it closed without error?`
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`21:40.32`	`zrin`	`rgov: try aptitude update`
`21:40.42`	`rgov`	`says the same`
`21:40.55`	`rgov`	`Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/; The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.`
`21:40.57`	`zrin`	`rgov: try aptitude clean`
`21:41.04`	`puty`	`i'am browsing and browser closed`
`21:41.13`	`rgov`	`aptitude clean worked, subsequent aptitude update did not`
`21:41.17`	`puty`	`next start ask me for restore session`
`21:41.44`	`azeem`	`puty: do you have Adobe flash installed?`
`21:41.52`	`jordanm`	`rgov: ls -al /var/cache/apt/; what do the perms look like?`
`21:41.55`	`puty`	`yes`
`21:42.14`	`azeem`	`puty: probably flash crashed and took the browser down along`
`21:42.18`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: ok thanks just wondering will try lenny see if that is it`
`21:42.26`	`azeem`	`I suggest you install adblock plus to get rid of flash adverts`
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`21:42.46`	`jordanm`	`puty: google chrome(ium) runs each tab in a seperate ps, so in theory, a crash will only effect a single tab`
`21:42.57`	`rgov`	`jordanm: http://rgov.org/paste/51`
`21:43.08`	`rgov`	`they match a VM i have`
`21:43.32`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, did you see my bug report?`
`21:43.50`	`jordanm`	`looks fine`
`21:44.30`	`rgov`	`what cause could there be`
`21:44.33`	`zrin`	`rgov: what does "id" tell you?`
`21:44.34`	`lindi-`	`dogmeat: not yet`
`21:44.46`	`rgov`	`uid=1011(rgov) gid=1011(rgov) euid=0(root) groups=1011(rgov)`
`21:45.03`	`puty`	`ok but before never did`
`21:45.05`	`zrin`	`rgov: try sudo bash or su`
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`21:46.53`	`puty`	`maybe the solucion is install new version from backports? or not..`
`21:47.37`	`azeem`	`puty: of flash?`
`21:47.57`	`puty`	`i mean browser`
`21:48.20`	`azeem`	`puty: if our theory is correct and flash makes your browser crash, updating your browser won't help`
`21:48.27`	`jordanm`	rgov: is that the result of doing something like `gksu xterm`?
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`21:48.59`	`rgov`	`nope, my sysadmin lost his password so we flipped the setuid bit on bash to true`
`21:49.04`	`puty`	`is true but is so strange becource before never happend`
`21:49.07`	`rgov`	`you're right it was euid vs euid`
`21:50.15`	`dv-`	`How stable is nvidia's closed driver? Are there a lot of problems with it?`
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`21:51.21`	`Bushmills`	`dv-: as owner of an older card, problems have been increasing with each new version.`
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`21:51.55`	`jordanm`	`as a stable user, new versions should not increase :)`
`21:52.20`	`Bushmills`	`my nvidia controller is about 10 years old`
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`21:53.02`	`jordanm`	`Bushmills: you mean your nvidia paperweight you're _still_ using to render graphics? :p`
`21:53.03`	`puty`	`could be a problem in some page? not just flash? I have open various tabs:-)`
`21:53.43`	`azeem`	`puty: could be, but a crashing plugin is most likely`
`21:53.54`	`Bushmills`	`jordanm: not anymore. at one point, nvidia driver started to become pretty unusable`
`21:54.22`	`puty`	`ok i'll try to close all tabs and restart browser.`
`21:54.46`	`puty`	`thanks`
`21:55.51`	`jordanm`	`Bushmills: I have always had mostly good experiences. the 6200LE on my work PC however w/ lenny's proprietary nvidia has minor graphical glitches on VNC and in my VMs (graphics won't update until I slightly move a window on occasion for example)`
`21:55.57`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: ok so do i need to have the lenny archive mirrored too currently i have squeeze available via http but i get bad archive mirror when i try to pxe/preseed with the lenny installer`
`21:56.10`	`Bushmills`	`jordanm: wow, a modern card :)`
`21:56.27`	`jordanm`	`Bushmills: not modern IMO :)`
`21:56.40`	`Bushmills`	`NV11 controller here`
`21:56.41`	`cesurasean`	`does anyone know how come my pidgin does not have an "option" for yahoo to select and use?`
`21:56.44`	`jordanm`	`thinks the GTX 260 in his home PC is getting a bit dated`
`21:56.46`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: you are installing via netboot?`
`21:56.52`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: yess`
`21:56.59`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: then you need the lenny .udebs around I guess`
`21:57.31`	`cesurasean`	`is this related to ppc version of pidgin or something?`
`21:57.53`	`Bushmills`	`jordanm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NV11`
`21:58.10`	`jordanm`	`cesurasean: you need the version from lenny backports. something to do with yahoo changing protocol and I believe they just removed the option during the last point release`
`21:58.42`	`jordanm`	`Bushmills: probably still better than intel integrated of two years ago`
`21:59.05`	`cesurasean`	`jordanm, where do i find that version at?`
`21:59.21`	`cesurasean`	`ill just wait, i guess`
`21:59.21`	`jordanm`	`!bpo`
`21:59.22`	`dpkg`	`backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users>`
`21:59.31`	`cesurasean`	`i assume thats what people are doing, or will this not be fixed for awhile?`
`21:59.37`	`jordanm`	`cesurasean: no need to "wait", just install from backports`
`21:59.56`	`cesurasean`	`jordanm, thx`
`21:59.59`	`jordanm`	`cesurasean: it will probably never be fixed in lenny, aside from the backport`
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`22:00.49`	`cesurasean`	`jordanm, thx ill just upgrade to squeeze and see if that fixes it.`
`22:01.07`	`cesurasean`	`better yet,`
`22:01.23`	`jordanm`	`cesurasean: why did you even ask if you were going to ignore the perfect and ideal solution you were given?`
`22:01.24`	`cesurasean`	`ill just find a deb somewhere`
`22:01.32`	`cesurasean`	`backports?`
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`22:01.37`	`jordanm`	`!bpo`
`22:01.37`	`dpkg`	`backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users>`
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`22:02.24`	`cesurasean`	`ill try it`
`22:02.40`	`cesurasean`	`running that command now. it's been awhile since i have backported anything.`
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`22:02.50`	`Lantizia`	`starts to sing`
`22:03.18`	`streuner`	`keep in mind, sometimes you will need the latest upstream in order to fix things`
`22:03.19`	`Lantizia`	`There once was a NAS drive mounted via NFS... but then it got angry and shut down... the user remove it... the server got confused... and now it won't bloody unmount`
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`22:03.54`	`Lantizia`	`Please can someone give me a solution to this oh so ever common problem - that DOESN'T include rebooting :)`
`22:03.57`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: so currently i rsynced the debian squeeze cd to use as an mirror ur saying i need the lenny one as well`
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`22:04.35`	`jordanm`	`Lantizia: a google search showed this that looks interesting: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40317/force-unmount-of-nfs-mounted-directory`
`22:04.54`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: or just the *.udeb and then symlink lenny to squeeze in dists?`
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`22:05.02`	`azeem`	`symlink?`
`22:05.05`	`jordanm`	`Lantizia: specifically the person that suggests an IP alias`
`22:05.16`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: there's an option somewhere in the lenny installer to install testing AFAIK`
`22:05.31`	`jordanm`	`azeem: only if you select "expert mode"`
`22:05.52`	`Lantizia`	`jordanm, the lazy unmount idea worked a treat :) thanks`
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`22:08.00`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: well im preseeding funny thing is that the debian squeeze cd works fine just not the netinst`
`22:08.16`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: should they not be the same`
`22:08.31`	`puff`	`Hm, I have postfix on my debian box, and I'm trying to get my mailman lists ported over from my old debian box. I followed the advice from the FAQ, I think, but the test message I sent through last night didn't get through. I also didn't get a bounce. The mailman log shows "Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed out'),"`
`22:09.00`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: the netinst does not necessarily have all the needed .udebs on it`
`22:09.01`	`puff`	`Somebody on #postfix pointed out that Debian's install defaults are different and it's probably chrooted, which /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian says is true.`
`22:09.34`	`puff`	`Why didn't "apt-get install mailman" configure postfix to accept messages from mailman?`
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`22:10.07`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: well i am giving it an mirror in the preseed file with http location of the debian squeeze install cd`
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`22:10.45`	`jordanm`	`puff: that would be a lot to code into a postinst script if it needs to detect and change the configuration of your MTA... especially with so many MTA choices`
`22:11.02`	`jordanm`	`puff: aside from that, if it did do it for an MTA, I would expect it to be exim4, the default for debian`
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`22:11.28`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: so what is the error?`
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`22:11.53`	`diegows`	`sometime ago I used equivs to install fake pkgs (to meet dependencies). Is there a new method to do that? I have to install a package from the source and I need to tell to dpkg that the pkgs is installed`
`22:12.17`	`azeem`	`diegows: no, equivs is still around`
`22:12.39`	`diegows`	`azeem: ok, thanks`
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`22:13.07`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: ok so basically no error except that it does not load the drivers required for the disk so when it tryies to partition it just hangs`
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`22:14.04`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: let me get u the exact error from the console`
`22:14.21`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: so just use the full cd if that works?`
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`22:14.40`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: well im setting up a network pxe server dont have that option`
`22:15.02`	`azeem`	`why would you do this with an unstable d-i version?`
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`22:15.28`	`ponyofdeath`	`need it for some xen setup`
`22:15.43`	`azeem`	`well, good luck`
`22:16.45`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: http://pastebin.com/ console reports partman: no mphysical volumes found`
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`22:17.06`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: basically no drives detected during netboot`
`22:17.16`	`azeem`	`ponyofdeath: you need to pass the pastebin ID as well`
`22:17.28`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: http://pastebin.com/bdjspQeF`
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`22:19.23`	`dogmeat`	`lindi-, here is the bug report link, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581230`
`22:19.29`	`riot`	`Whats the debian way to permanently deactivate the SysRQ-Key?`
`22:20.30`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: seems like anna DEBUG is reporting core-modules-2.6.30-2-amd64-di package doesnt exist`
`22:20.31`	`coldhost`	`manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct`
`22:20.33`	`coldhost`	`any help ?`
`22:20.37`	`ponyofdeath`	`azeem: maby i need another mirror`
`22:21.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`riot: /etc/sysctl.conf; set kernel.sysrq = 0; or similar`
`22:21.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`riot: though generally speaking, there's not much of a reason to do so`
`22:21.56`	`azeem`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:22.42`	`robert__`	`hi guys`
`22:22.53`	`robert__`	`debian keeps selecting a weird resolution for me, and the correct one isnt listed`
`22:23.10`	`robert__`	`is there a way to force a change of resolution from commandline or something?`
`22:23.12`	`azeem`	`resolution of/for what?`
`22:23.19`	`robert__`	`azeem, my screen`
`22:23.21`	`robert__`	`what else?`
`22:23.29`	`robert__`	`:p`
`22:23.38`	`azeem`	`a resolution to resolve a package conflict, e.g.`
`22:23.49`	`robert__`	`ah ok`
`22:23.54`	`robert__`	`well anyway`
`22:24.00`	`azeem`	`which resolution does it pick?`
`22:24.19`	`robert__`	`for the login screen it picks 1280x768 which looks stretched on a 1280x1024 monitor`
`22:24.33`	`robert__`	`and for my actual login session it picks 1024x768`
`22:24.38`	`robert__`	`its just started doing this`
`22:24.42`	`azeem`	`not 1024x768 for the login as well?`
`22:24.48`	`azeem`	`robert__: which version of debian are you using?`
`22:24.53`	`robert__`	`lennny`
`22:25.00`	`azeem`	`and which x driver?`
`22:25.06`	`robert__`	`idk`
`22:25.09`	`robert__`	`intel or something i think`
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`22:25.31`	`robert__`	`it had 1280x768 for my login session aswell until i changed it to 1024x768 which at least fits the monitor`
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`22:25.39`	`robert__`	`but really id like to get it back to 1280x1024`
`22:25.42`	`jhutchins_lt`	`robert__: Which desktop?`
`22:25.45`	`azeem`	`robert__: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`22:25.51`	`robert__`	`jhutchins, GNOME`
`22:26.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`see if xrandr prints your wanted resolution`
`22:26.29`	`jhutchins_lt`	`robert__: I've only worked with the kde version, but there is a seperate kdmrc file that is similar to the xorg.conf file and defines the options for the 'greeter'.`
`22:26.53`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, no it doesnt`
`22:27.00`	`azeem`	`00:25 < azeem> robert__: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`22:27.05`	`robert__`	`azeem, i have`
`22:27.07`	`azeem`	`I bet you're running the vesa driver`
`22:27.10`	`azeem`	`and?`
`22:27.14`	`robert__`	`azeem, it tells my very little - and yes i could well be`
`22:27.22`	`robert__`	`im not sure`
`22:27.36`	`robert__`	`Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1280 x 1280`
`22:27.36`	`robert__`	`VGA connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm`
`22:27.36`	`robert__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:27.36`	`robert__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:27.36`	`robert__`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:27.41`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`buybuy`
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`22:27.51`	`azeem`	`robert__: pastebin the output of grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`22:27.52`	`robert__`	`oops`
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`22:27.56`	`robert__`	`ok`
`22:28.06`	`azeem`	`!paste`
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`22:28.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hm, so you actually have a higher resolution on the monitor than the maximum allowed one`
`22:29.07`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`do you have an xorg.conf file?`
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`22:29.10`	`azeem`	`hrm`
`22:29.11`	`dupondje`	`dmesg shows on boot: [ 0.004000] Memory: 7861216k/8118700k available (2279k kernel code, 248540k reserved, 1019k data, 216k init). But /proc/meminfo shows: MemTotal: 6137856 kB .. Any idea ?`
`22:29.13`	`riot`	`dondelelcaro: thx!`
`22:29.23`	`robert__`	`azeem, http://pastebin.com/z78VA92s`
`22:29.23`	`riot`	`dondelelcaro: oh, there is`
`22:29.53`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, no - only a few days ago it was doing 1280x1024 - then i rebooted and it stopped`
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`22:30.09`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`if you don't have xorg.conf, create one with X -configure , then edit it and set HorizSync and VertRefresh to the values appropriate for your monitor`
`22:30.22`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, how do i get those values?`
`22:30.36`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`they are in the documentation of your monitor`
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`22:30.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`riot: unless you're talking about someone with serial console access, if they have prolonged physical access to the machine, they own it...`
`22:30.50`	`azeem`	`robert__: is this an LCD?`
`22:31.02`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, yeah i bought my monitor quite a while ago and its not a well known brand ("Relisys" anyone?)`
`22:31.04`	`robert__`	`azeem, yes`
`22:31.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`riot: it could perhaps be uesful in a kiosk situtation... but if you're giving someone a keyboard at a kiosk... good luck.`
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`22:31.13`	`jhutchins_lt`	`azeem: Why would an xorg log show it loading every module in succession? We had one like that a while ago.`
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`22:31.46`	`riot`	`dondelelcaro: maybe true. But having your notebook sitting around in e.g. a hackerspace makes it prone to such "attacks" even if intended as "joke"`
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`22:31.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`robert__, well, you can google for it if you don't have the original docs anymore (or perhaps it's printed on somewhere on it)`
`22:32.00`	`azeem`	`robert__: install the xresprobe package and run ddcprobe as root`
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`22:32.12`	`riot`	`luuks: burp`
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`22:32.53`	`luuks`	`riot: :P`
`22:33.03`	`robert__`	`azeem, http://pastebin.com/ztUm6N6r`
`22:33.15`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`robert__, the values for mine are HorizSync 30.0 - 110.0 and VertRefresh 50.0 - 150.0 - but if you use those and your monitor starts smoking, then explodes, don't complain to me!`
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`22:33.24`	`robert__`	`lol`
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`22:33.29`	`azeem`	`CutMeOwnThroat: WTF`
`22:33.41`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`azeem, world trade fenter?`
`22:33.54`	`azeem`	`robert__: I guess your intel card is not supported by lenny`
`22:33.55`	`robert__`	`center*`
`22:34.02`	`robert__`	`azeem, it was 2 days ago`
`22:34.07`	`azeem`	`ah?`
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`22:34.16`	`robert__`	`literally i was getting 1280x1024 only a matter of days ago`
`22:34.23`	`azeem`	`and then?`
`22:34.30`	`robert__`	`then i booted one morning and it went into 1280x768`
`22:34.34`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`the bad witch threw the evil eye at his computer`
`22:34.35`	`azeem`	`right`
`22:34.41`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, something like that`
`22:34.45`	`jhutchins_lt`	`suspects there was an upgrade in there somewhere.`
`22:34.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`riot: that's why you don't leave your laptop around people who'd do things like that... they're just as likely to unplug the thing`
`22:34.52`	`azeem`	`robert__: what does "dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1" say?`
`22:34.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`(or walk off with it)`
`22:34.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`azeem, ... and then the user said "I didn't do anything!!!"`
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`22:35.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`but anyway, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead`
`22:35.19`	`robert__`	`ii libc6 2.7-18lenny2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries`
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`22:35.58`	`azeem`	`robert__: and "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel \| tail -1"?`
`22:36.07`	`jhutchins_lt`	`At least he's not running sid.`
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`22:36.15`	`robert__`	`ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver`
`22:36.24`	`azeem`	`robert__: and "lspci \| grep VGA"?`
`22:36.38`	`robert__`	`00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)`
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`22:37.26`	`dupondje`	`anybody ?`
`22:37.37`	`robert__`	`bikcmp, hai`
`22:38.00`	`bikcmp`	`robert__: Hello...`
`22:38.09`	`robert__`	`bikcmp, its lens`
`22:38.22`	`bikcmp`	`... ?`
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`22:39.00`	`robert__`	`bikcmp, lenswipe`
`22:39.05`	`robert__`	`from ##5709`
`22:39.09`	`azeem`	`robert__: what are you talking about?`
`22:39.13`	`bikcmp`	`oh. robert__, pm me that stuff... lol.`
`22:39.24`	`bikcmp`	`I don't think #debian cares tbh :P`
`22:39.25`	`robert__`	`azeem, im talking to bikcmp - i know him in another channel :)`
`22:39.35`	`azeem`	`robert__: then talk to him in another channel`
`22:39.39`	`robert__`	`bikcmp, probly heh`
`22:39.41`	`robert__`	`azeem, ok`
`22:39.44`	`robert__`	`sorry :s`
`22:39.48`	`dupondje`	`I got the following issue: dmesg shows on boot: [ 0.004000] Memory: 7861216k/8118700k available (2279k kernel code, 248540k reserved, 1019k data, 216k init). But /proc/meminfo shows: MemTotal: 6137856 kB .. Any idea ?`
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`22:40.13`	`azeem`	`robert__: start pastebinning your Xorg.0.log`
`22:40.18`	`robert__`	`azeem, ok`
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`22:41.38`	`robert__`	`azeem, http://pastebin.com/9PfSsyDt`
`22:42.17`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`dupondje, you didn't actually ask a question`
`22:42.47`	`dupondje`	`CutMeOwnThroat: why is the dmesg showing 8GB ram, and meminfo only 6GB ,`
`22:42.48`	`dupondje`	`?`
`22:43.58`	`azeem`	`robert__: is there more than one occurance of "(EE)" in it?`
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`22:44.31`	`robert__`	`no`
`22:44.38`	`azeem`	`no idea then`
`22:44.42`	`riot`	`dondelelcaro: naah, i'm head of a hackerspace, i trust most of the people here to a certain degree`
`22:45.11`	`riot`	`and debian doesn't really crash on me that often, so i don't really need sysrq :)`
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`22:45.44`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`shows Memory: 6189004k/7077888k and MemTotal: 6197804 for me... could some of it not be counted for some reason?`
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`22:47.04`	`jhutchins_lt`	`line 443 seems to be where the 1024x768 is coming from.`
`22:47.29`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`robert__, I wonder why you're using a vga driver and not the intelfb one...`
`22:47.58`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`err - or are you? "Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so"`
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`22:48.48`	`themill`	`cesurasean1: don't irc as root`
`22:49.21`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, yes - but the question is more why the correct mode is not available at all`
`22:49.40`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, hmmm yeah`
`22:49.57`	`jhutchins_lt`	`robert__: Do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf?`
`22:50.04`	`robert__`	`jhutchins, yeah`
`22:50.14`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Try moving it then restarting X.`
`22:50.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you said you had not!`
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`22:51.17`	`robert__`	`CutMeOwnThroat, no i never`
`22:51.30`	`robert__`	`jhutchins, will it make me a new one?`
`22:51.53`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`no, it doesn't need one, it autodetects`
`22:52.13`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`and yeah, you never - you dodged the question`
`22:53.08`	`robert__`	`oh ok`
`22:53.11`	`robert__`	`sorry`
`22:55.43`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`oh, it's using the i810 driver, which does cover 965G... so the assumption it might be using the vga driver and the resolution be a limitation of that is out`
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`23:01.59`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`where would be the best place to ask about apt-ftparchive development? i'm thinking the tree archive layout could be removed`
`23:02.00`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`it's weird... I have "(--) NVIDIA(0): DELL E2209W (CRT-0): 350.0 MHz maximum pixel clock" in my xorg log - there's no line giving the detected/assumed rate in yours`
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`23:05.07`	`themill`	`Kamping_Kaiser: as in the pool structure that's used on the mirrors?`
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`23:06.12`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`themill: yes. its handled equally well by the BinDirectory structure in apt-ftparchive. tree is a legacy from when packages were under dists/.../binary-arch`
`23:06.21`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`as far as i can tell anyway`
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`23:08.10`	`themill`	`Kamping_Kaiser: I imagine the deity mailing list might be your best bet`
`23:08.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`robert__, does xrandr --addmode VGA 1280x1024 add the mode?`
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`23:08.39`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`themill: the list name is scary enough to put me off g`
`23:08.48`	`robert__`	`xrandr: cannot find mode "1280x1024"`
`23:09.07`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>`
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`23:09.14`	`Kamping_Kaiser`	`looks like its the correct place though`
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`23:10.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`well, I still think it might be the horizontal/vertical rates that aren't set correctly`
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`23:14.18`	`thepro4e1er`	`i have been using linux now for a week, one thing i hate about apt-get is it doesn't show where its installing my programs, is there some default location that programs get installed too?`
`23:14.36`	`Vroomfondle`	`usually /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin`
`23:14.59`	`Vroomfondle`	`but to find out, use "dpkg -L packagename", e.g. "dpkg -L gimp"`
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`23:15.09`	`Vroomfondle`	`that'll show you where it puts its files`
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`23:17.46`	`thepro4e1er`	`i have been using linux for about a week, the thing i hate about apt-get is that it doesn't show you where its installing programs, is there some standard location that programs get installed too?`
`23:18.25`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you could of course try something like xrandr --newmode "1280x1024R" 90.75 1280 1328 1360 1440 1024 1027 1034 1054 +hsync -vsync`
`23:18.29`	`mattgirv`	`thepro4e1er: Heh, sounds lame.. but that entirely depends on what it is.`
`23:18.44`	`thepro4e1er`	`mattgirv, mysql`
`23:18.50`	`Bac0n`	`dpkg -L mysql`
`23:18.50`	`dpkg`	`No packages found matching mysql`
`23:19.01`	`mattgirv`	`thepro4e1er: Should be /usr/loca/mysql`
`23:19.12`	`mattgirv`	`er`
`23:19.20`	`mattgirv`	`thepro4e1er: /usr/local/mysql`
`23:19.27`	`themill`	`err, no.`
`23:19.31`	`mattgirv`	`no?`
`23:19.34`	`mattgirv`	`my bad then`
`23:19.43`	`thepro4e1er`	`yeah i don't see it in there`
`23:20.02`	`themill`	`thepro4e1er: bits of a package are scattered all around your disk. /usr/sbin/mysqld is the service, but /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-* will be the documentation.`
`23:20.03`	`Bac0n`	`use dpkg -l <package>`
`23:20.08`	`jordanm`	`!fhs`
`23:20.08`	`dpkg`	`Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard`
`23:20.17`	`Bac0n`	`-L`
`23:20.18`	`themill`	`mattgirv: debian never installs things into /usr/local`
`23:20.38`	`mattgirv`	`themill: Sorry, I haven't got it installed on my debian machine`
`23:20.49`	`mattgirv`	`iirc that is where it installed to when I compiled it from source on my gentoo box,`
`23:21.24`	`thepro4e1er`	`woah it shows /usr`
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`23:21.44`	`thepro4e1er`	`/usr/share`
`23:21.45`	`thepro4e1er`	`/usr/share/doc`
`23:21.45`	`thepro4e1er`	`/usr/share/doc/mysql-server`
`23:21.45`	`thepro4e1er`	`/usr/share/doc/mysql-server/changelog.Debian.gz`
`23:21.45`	`thepro4e1er`	`/usr/share/doc/mysql-server/copyright`
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`23:22.21`	`thepro4e1er`	`that command is nice, however i don't know what directory is for what`
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`23:22.28`	`themill`	`thepro4e1er: (a) don't paste in to the channel, (b) why did you think we needed to see all that?`
`23:22.47`	`thepro4e1er`	`i'm very sorry, i'll never do it again`
`23:22.58`	`thepro4e1er`	`i'm just trying to learn, i guess that means learning your rules too`
`23:23.20`	`mattgirv`	`thepro4e1er: That would be the rules of pretty much every single IRC channel you'll encounter.`
`23:23.24`	`mattgirv`	`:)`
`23:23.31`	`Chocolate`	`No Spam, No Trolling and Be Nice`
`23:23.34`	`thepro4e1er`	`did i mention i'm new to IRC`
`23:23.43`	`thepro4e1er`	`you broke my cherry`
`23:23.43`	`themill`	`thepro4e1er: /topic or read the message chanserv sent you each time you joined`
`23:23.52`	`thepro4e1er`	`okies`
`23:23.58`	`Chocolate`	`NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin`
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`23:25.55`	`thepro4e1er`	`it took me 2 hours to learn how to register a nick, i'm slow`
`23:26.17`	`themill`	`[00:25] [Notice] -NickServ- thepro4e1er is not registered.`
`23:26.21`	`themill`	`fail?`
`23:26.22`	`mattgirv`	`lol`
`23:26.26`	`Bac0n`	`hehe`
`23:26.29`	`mattgirv`	`email auth perhaps?`
`23:27.51`	`Mandor`	`Is there a way under Debian (5.0.4) to figure out why a package was installed? I.e. I have a package installed named X. I don't remember having explicitly apt-get installed it. So I assume it was installed as a dependency for something else, maybe indirectly. Is there a way to determine that dependency chain?`
`23:28.13`	`simonrvn`	`aptitude why X`
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`23:29.15`	`Chocolate`	`Mandor, virus, change to Mac`
`23:29.28`	`simonrvn`	`...`
`23:29.56`	`Mandor`	`simonrvn: thanks!`
`23:30.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`aptitude why simonrvn`
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`23:30.44`	`simonrvn`	`because CutMeOwnThroat recommends:`
`23:31.03`	`themill`	`Unable to find a reason to install simonrvn.`
`23:31.05`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`hehe`
`23:31.13`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
`23:31.14`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`all wrong`
`23:31.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`E: No package named "simonrvn" exists.`
`23:31.41`	`simonrvn`	`nope, i can't be copied, that's why :P`
`23:31.56`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`you're probably not under a free license, poor you`
`23:32.15`	`Mandor`	`Embarassing: I had read the manpage for apt-get and dpkg before asking, but forgot about aptitude. :(`
`23:32.21`	`simonrvn`	`multi-license, depends on context`
`23:33.23`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`BSE _or_ GBL`
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`23:34.05`	`simonrvn`	`BOT`
`23:35.24`	`simonrvn`	`Mandor: it's ok`
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`23:42.09`	`uRock`	`does squeeze use grub 2?`
`23:42.50`	`Tramp`	`yes`
`23:42.59`	`uRock`	`ty`
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`23:57.24`	`beefcube`	`jpf@debian:~$ cpulimit -e /usr/bin/gvim -l 5`
`23:57.37`	`beefcube`	`"Warning: no target process found. Waiting for it..."`
`23:57.38`	`beefcube`	`wtf?`

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