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| 00:00.28 | DA | Hello all |
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| 00:01.31 | DA | Out of curiosity, has anyone had any success running debian in a VM? |
| 00:02.18 | petemc_ | yes, lots of people |
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| 00:02.24 | petemc_ | myself included |
| 00:03.03 | DA | I am having a bit of trouble, and wanted to know if I could get some help |
| 00:03.16 | petemc_ | just ask |
| 00:03.49 | DA | I have a VM running debian, and networking works fine. ifconfig does return a valid IP address for eth0, and wget works fine. |
| 00:04.26 | DA | The problem is: when trying to run apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment, I get a flood of 111:Connection Refused errors |
| 00:04.49 | DA | I have disabled the Windows firewall for VMWare, yet am having serious troubles still. |
| 00:04.59 | petemc_ | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:07.10 | DA | Sure: one minute |
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| 00:10.01 | DA | Here is a pastebin of the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:10.03 | DA | http://pastebin.com/XqYQ0LTN |
| 00:12.55 | DA | petemc_ any advice on that? |
| 00:13.09 | petemc_ | looks fine |
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| 00:13.42 | petemc_ | are you using any sort of proxy or cache? |
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| 00:15.39 | DA | not that I am aware of |
| 00:15.44 | DA | Is there a test for proxy/caches? |
| 00:15.52 | Rapsodius | DA: do a aptitude show iptables |
| 00:16.11 | Rapsodius | and check the status of that package, if it is installed, purge it |
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| 00:17.05 | DA | iptables is installed, not sure if i want to purge it |
| 00:17.25 | DA | Is that some "Delete System32" prank? |
| 00:17.39 | willmore | Is there an equivalent to 'apt-get build-essential' for Squeeze? I get "E: Couldn't find package build-essential" |
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| 00:17.53 | willmore | Derr, apt-get install.... |
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| 00:18.07 | willmore | Sorry, typed that incorrectly. |
| 00:18.48 | dbuduru | I bought a wireless usb for my debian machine, it works fine if I turn off encryption. I am not sure what I am doing wrong for it work with encryption turned on |
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| 00:19.13 | willmore | I'm trying to compile some code on a freshly installed squeeze box and I can't seem to get the standard build tools installed. |
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| 00:30.57 | lindi- | willmore: squeeze has build-essential package |
| 00:31.31 | willmore | lindi-, looks like I have a few issues with the squeeze install. I'm working in fixing that. I think that'll fix the issue. :) Thanks. |
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| 00:33.58 | willmore | lindi-, and that fixed it, now it knows about build-essential. Wierd. In the lenny to squeeze upgrade /sources.list got mangled. |
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| 00:53.01 | dotCOMmie | is there a system to detect that a monitor has been plugged in or unplugged |
| 00:54.13 | liable | i dont think you should hotplug monitors |
| 00:54.29 | tuv | dotCOMmie: xrandr can activate monitors plugged in while X is running |
| 00:55.05 | dotCOMmie | liable: What you mean is I should but its broken |
| 00:55.06 | dotCOMmie | ? |
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| 00:55.44 | liable | dotCOMmie: i thought it was bad for the mobo/card |
| 00:55.55 | dotCOMmie | tuv: I want to be able to plug in a monitor and have it use one configuration |
| 00:56.13 | dotCOMmie | liable: on what grounds? |
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| 00:57.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable: not afaik |
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| 00:57.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | not with modern gear at least |
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| 01:04.26 | eryn_1983 | gosh dang it how do i make tar extract to a specify directory? |
| 01:04.40 | eryn_1983 | i cant just put it after or before the stupid file name of the archive? |
| 01:04.53 | pierrep | -C path |
| 01:05.42 | eryn_1983 | lol |
| 01:11.06 | dotCOMmie | something on the subject: |
| 01:11.08 | dotCOMmie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/306735 |
| 01:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: Generally monitors don't hotplug all that well, but there are ways to use xrandr to switch configurations, and people do it. |
| 01:12.28 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: I don't know of a way to autodetect it on a VGA connection though. |
| 01:12.54 | dotCOMmie | I guess I should write an xrandr script and put it on desktop |
| 01:14.04 | dotCOMmie | Also it seems like there is an issue changing resultion using kdes systemconfig. It crashes x one out 5 times or so |
| 01:14.33 | dotCOMmie | has anyone else experienced this or should I be investigating my configuration |
| 01:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: Let me guess, you're not on Lenny. |
| 01:15.36 | dotCOMmie | And it also seems like the KDE panels never work properly after going from 2 monitor to 1 and vice versa |
| 01:16.07 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: I'm on testing. |
| 01:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: Congratulations, your test successfully found a problem! |
| 01:16.49 | jhutchins_lt | Like I said, video hotplugging really isn't here yet. |
| 01:17.33 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: Forget hot plugging even old plain manual config chaning is far from optimal |
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| 01:17.40 | dotCOMmie | Maybe its a kde issue I'll try how it works with xrandr |
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| 01:23.04 | Alucard1211 | hi |
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| 01:23.48 | eryn_1983 | hey where does the library for flash go i forget? |
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| 01:24.19 | dotCOMmie | eryn_1983: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 01:24.34 | dub_ | boas pov?o.. |
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| 01:24.59 | Alucard1211 | hey....anyone here have experiance in diablo 2 with wine? |
| 01:25.09 | slidesinger | Anyone know a good tool for converting wav files to mp3 files? |
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| 01:25.13 | Alucard1211 | whenever i exit the game the screen stays black |
| 01:25.57 | nkuttler | !tell slidesinger about lame |
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| 01:33.09 | eryn_1983 | so i guess everyone wimped out and went the way of the package manager for installing flash even debain? |
| 01:33.12 | eryn_1983 | debian? |
| 01:33.18 | eryn_1983 | its just a .lib file |
| 01:33.55 | nkuttler | eryn_1983: yeah, and .lib files update automatically when a new release comes out.. |
| 01:34.13 | eryn_1983 | not when i try to install the new version of firfox.. |
| 01:34.15 | eryn_1983 | firefox |
| 01:34.37 | eryn_1983 | so now how do i fix it |
| 01:34.47 | eryn_1983 | i put it in the same spot as the old firfox. |
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| 01:36.28 | nkuttler | eryn_1983: just install the flashplugin-nonfree or what it's called. firefox might need a sylink to the .so file |
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| 01:37.11 | eryn_1983 | i did it did nothing |
| 01:37.15 | eryn_1983 | still broken |
| 01:37.23 | eryn_1983 | is there a symlink i need? |
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| 01:40.34 | dotCOMmie | eryn_1983: are you using non-debian supplied firefox? |
| 01:40.43 | eryn_1983 | yup |
| 01:40.50 | dotCOMmie | ick |
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| 01:41.32 | eryn_1983 | ok i found it |
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| 01:42.01 | dotCOMmie | yeah I was about to recoomend you read update-flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 01:50.53 | daltio12 | guys i want to run my linux box as router |
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| 01:52.07 | daltio12 | i am trying to acces some other machines through this liunx box geting ome difficulies , here is my da http://imgur.com/54gwO i want to access machine 3 from machine 2 through machine 1 |
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| 01:56.06 | nkuttler | daltio12: why don't you connect all boxes to the router? |
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| 01:57.14 | daltio12 | i can not the machine a at geographically distant locations only 10.17.41.9 is connected with juniper , can u help me |
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| 02:02.09 | daltio12 | nkuttler? |
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| 02:06.05 | kusum | does Debian has wubi like installer ?? |
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| 02:08.11 | FFForever2 | how do I set my network name right now it displays as (none) |
| 02:08.41 | jhutchins_lt | kusum: You'll have to define "wubi like". |
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| 02:13.00 | kusum | jhutchins_lt: Ubuntu has wubi installer which can install Ubuntu from inside windows |
| 02:13.17 | kusum | jhutchins_lt: Does debian have so too ? |
| 02:13.46 | jhutchins_lt | kusum: There is a way to do that. Both within Windows, and installed as a seperate OS from within windows. |
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| 02:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | kusum: The main installer does a pretty good job of handling partitioning and dual-boot though, not really necessary. |
| 02:14.39 | jhutchins_lt | kusum: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer |
| 02:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | kusum: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual |
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| 02:15.38 | jhutchins_lt | FFForever2: Network name or hostname? |
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| 02:18.33 | kusum | jhutchins_lt thanks a ton |
| 02:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | kusum: Pretty much if it can be done with Linux, it's been done with Debian. Doesn't mean it's easy. |
| 02:19.27 | kusum | jhutchins_lt ok :) |
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| 02:21.48 | Rapsodius | I'm trying to fix a debian box: X server (thru gdm) complains about bad ioctl on device (25) and error setting mtrr |
| 02:22.03 | jhutchins_lt | Rapsodius: Release? |
| 02:22.09 | Rapsodius | squeeze |
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| 02:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, no knowledge of squeeze, you should probably include your video chipset, driver, and desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, XFCE). |
| 02:24.47 | _Trinity_ | any notice that upgrading empathy to 2.28.2-3 uninstalls telepathy-mission-control? |
| 02:24.51 | Rapsodius | jhutchins_it: it's really a more up-to-date lenny |
| 02:25.00 | _Trinity_ | How ios empathy supposed to work without mission-control? |
| 02:26.05 | _Trinity_ | wait a sec |
| 02:26.36 | Rapsodius | _trinity_: it may happen that mission-control functionality is now included into empathy, and so mission-control would be obsoleted |
| 02:27.14 | _Trinity_ | it's being replaced by telepathy-mission-control-5{a} apparently. This wasn't so a few months ago, so it looks as if it was fixed |
| 02:27.30 | _Trinity_ | Rapsodius: well, I hope so if Im wrong |
| 02:27.51 | Rapsodius | the {a} is for auto, so empathy is pulling the right package, nothing to worry about |
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| 02:28.51 | _Trinity_ | Rapsodius: thanks. Will upgrade empathy |
| 02:30.09 | _Trinity_ | I think empathy 2.28 has voip with msn. Can't wait to try it |
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| 02:36.12 | _Trinity_ | maybe not |
| 02:37.13 | eryn_1983 | grr still wont work |
| 02:37.21 | eryn_1983 | still says i need flash to playa youtube video wth |
| 02:37.23 | eryn_1983 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.25 | eryn_1983 | work time |
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| 03:15.02 | generic | how do you enable unstable repos? |
| 03:15.21 | generic | als where is the wiki/genral help on the website? |
| 03:15.42 | generic | Sorry im really new to debian still learning it... |
| 03:15.44 | amz__ | /apt/source.list |
| 03:15.52 | generic | thx |
| 03:16.03 | amz__ | switch lenny to squeeze and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:16.08 | amz__ | and google.ru |
| 03:16.09 | amz__ | :] |
| 03:16.10 | amz__ | i go bye |
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| 03:17.24 | Rapsodius | how to install debian squeeze from usb? |
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| 03:29.21 | generic | after messing with apt sources and abit of googling i still cant get sid repo mirror |
| 03:29.25 | generic | I mean i cant find one |
| 03:29.34 | generic | is there a mirror list somewhere? |
| 03:33.29 | Tramp | !tell generic -about mirrors |
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| 03:52.05 | PovAddict | http://pastebin.org/135991 |
| 03:52.07 | PovAddict | damn |
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| 03:52.21 | PovAddict | I thought I had "/msg dpkg ries" in my clipboard :P |
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| 03:52.39 | PovAddict | ignore that >.< |
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| 04:00.40 | tarkaram | My wireless USB adapter works only when encryption is turned off. Though I have set the values in the RT2870STA.dat file, it not working with encryption turned on |
| 04:00.58 | tarkaram | any advise is greatly appreciated |
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| 04:16.09 | generic | anyone have vdpau working? |
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| 04:19.17 | generic | i installed the nvidia-vdpau-driver package, ran nvidia-xconfig. I got "nivida module not found" |
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| 04:20.37 | generic | i also installed the nivida-kernel-source package |
| 04:20.57 | generic | tried a reboot tooo, seemed usless made no difference |
| 04:21.09 | tharkun | !tell generic about nvidia |
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| 04:35.25 | GEO | hello |
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| 04:43.32 | GEO | Im wondering if there are some decent software for a linux box using debian to manage wifihotspots |
| 04:43.53 | generic | ok now, so i followed the nivida wiki, got everything installed. I can modprobe hte module "nvidia" |
| 04:44.06 | generic | i ran nvidia-xconfig |
| 04:44.20 | generic | and i get "module 'nvidia' does not exist" |
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| 04:44.55 | rumpsy | !sid |
| 04:45.10 | generic | yes im using the sid repos |
| 04:45.34 | generic | any sugestions? |
| 04:45.44 | rumpsy | No . . |
| 04:45.55 | generic | i mean i check the xorg.conf, it seems correct... |
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| 04:46.26 | Noble | Having problems with msmtp and mutt. Getting child exited 127. Suggestions? |
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| 05:08.15 | rtuyg | anyone here in new zealand? |
| 05:08.29 | Gm4n | how would I watch something with a grep? eg, "watch ls | grep mystuff". That greps the output of watch. watch `ls | grep mystuff` tries to execute a dir listing... I'm confused =) |
| 05:09.13 | rtuyg | Gm4n: watch "ls | grep mystuff" |
| 05:09.20 | Gm4n | aha, thanks |
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| 05:17.58 | Craighton | what directory is libcurl normally installed in |
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| 05:20.03 | generic | So i have mounted a ntfs partition in debian, and everything is pwned by root i cant gent any access, when i chown its doesnt really do much because and lower directories are owned by root. In other distro's the partition was mount with 777 perms (because ntfs does not support permision control) any idea how I can do this. |
| 05:20.19 | generic | I know its unsafe, blah blah. but I just need it to work. |
| 05:20.37 | generic | ^owned by root >_> |
| 05:25.20 | generic | actually nvm i figured it out <_< |
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| 05:34.42 | stealth- | Is it possible to use a dial up card pci card to connect to my isp through the phone line directly? My router usually takes the phone line, however I want to have the cable going into my server, then have my server be the router and forward stuff through another ethernet card to the actual router. |
| 05:34.56 | stealth- | It's not dial up internet |
| 05:35.51 | Lns | how would you connect to your isp through the dial-up card if it's not a dial-up service? |
| 05:36.23 | Lns | a.k.a. dial-up "modem" (for old timers like me) |
| 05:37.04 | generic | 0.0 |
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| 05:38.18 | stealth- | Well that's what I was asking. The jack is the same, because my internet is ran through the phone line. I was wondering if that is possible, or if the card is only capable of dial-up |
| 05:39.04 | stealth- | Sorry if that was a stupid question :/ |
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| 06:15.39 | generic | trying to compile dwm and im getting compile time errors? I installed build-essential and libx11-dev |
| 06:16.03 | generic | I heard that was all i need, and i have been googling and cant really find any help on this |
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| 06:18.13 | nae | generic: what error are you getting? |
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| 06:19.15 | dbbolton | when i click on "restart" on GDM, it just goes to the first tty, and doesnt shut down |
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| 06:20.55 | nae | dbbolton: are you able to log in to that tty when it's trying to shut down? |
| 06:21.05 | dbbolton | nae yes |
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| 06:22.11 | nae | dbbolton: what's the last thing in the log files? |
| 06:22.40 | dbbolton | nae which logs |
| 06:23.13 | nae | dbbolton: /var/log/messages for a start |
| 06:23.55 | generic | nae: http://pastebin.com/cwuaXyYJ |
| 06:23.56 | nae | dbbolton: there should at least be something saying "shutting down for system halt" |
| 06:24.26 | dbbolton | nae well i ended up logging in to shutdown, so it will be contaminated |
| 06:24.39 | generic | nae the newest dwm version, 5.7.2 |
| 06:24.54 | nae | generic: apt-get install libxinerama-dev |
| 06:25.26 | nae | generic: and see how that goes |
| 06:25.45 | generic | nae: I love you. |
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| 06:26.34 | generic | thats means it worked btw |
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| 06:27.19 | nae | generic: see how that first line has the header file that's missing. if you run into errors like that again, just stick that into the search thing here http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and see what package to install to give you that file. otherwise install apt-file and use that to search for the right package |
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| 06:28.50 | nae | dbbolton: you might need to look back a bit and check the timestamps to see what happened, check the other logs too to see if there was something that stopped it shutting down. processes not stopping and filesystems not unmounting are likely causes |
| 06:34.37 | generic | nae: thank you |
| 06:34.41 | generic | that is good advicxe |
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| 07:06.10 | NoCode | hmm. KDE in Squeeze works really well. It hasn't crashed yet(surprised it hasn't) because that's always been my past experiences with KDE. |
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| 07:25.56 | eryn_1983 | hi |
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| 07:29.08 | GhostlyDeath | Hello, I have a WD800 disk and an Ultra66 (Promise, old, rev 01, v1.14), When the disk is on the Ultra66 DMA is a complete failure and only PIO is useable, on the main board DMA works fine and does what it's supposed to do. Other disks on the Ultra66 work fine with DMA |
| 07:29.18 | GhostlyDeath | +it |
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| 07:46.36 | ab | tcpdump -ippp0 -n -w- -l -s0 tcp |grep -a -o -E "Host: .*|GET \/.*" >> /tmp/file |
| 07:47.15 | ab | can anyone explain why this does not save to /tmp/file? is it because ther's no EOF? the stdout never gets "closed"? |
| 07:47.54 | ab | it sends output to stdout OK. but redirect to file does not work. |
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| 07:51.16 | qazzaq | ab: try #bash |
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| 08:01.01 | tobago | i set up my machine with lenny (the only way it worked was to use the mini distro). now it's on gnome. but the fonts and some icons are much to large though there is a resolution of somewhat 1620x1280. how to fix it? |
| 08:05.38 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: So... |
| 08:05.46 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: How big is your monitor? |
| 08:06.39 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: is your monitor an LCD monitor or CRT? |
| 08:06.57 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: What you should do is, scale the image so it fits the entire screen |
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| 08:07.09 | GhostlyDeath | measure the width and the height (in inches) |
| 08:07.27 | GhostlyDeath | do some math with your native resolution |
| 08:08.13 | GhostlyDeath | Horizontal res / Horizontal width |
| 08:08.18 | GhostlyDeath | same for vertical |
| 08:08.30 | GhostlyDeath | Go into your Xorg.conf, and set the DPI to the output values |
| 08:08.34 | GhostlyDeath | you can snip the decimals |
| 08:08.46 | GhostlyDeath | or you can specify the size of your screen also |
| 08:08.48 | GhostlyDeath | but in mm |
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| 08:09.44 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, i assumed, debian would check it by itself and set the correct resolution? |
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| 08:10.29 | tobago | or set the dpi to its xorg conf |
| 08:10.58 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: Depends |
| 08:11.03 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: It asks the monitor for the settings |
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| 08:11.13 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: The monitor may give the wrong response or no response |
| 08:11.17 | Lns | stealth-, no - a dial-up modem is different technology. You'd need a DSL (or whatever the type of ISP you're talking about, maybe ISDN? too?) PCI adapter. You can get them but in many cases it's not really worth having it inside your computer |
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| 08:12.06 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, the machine (ubuntu) seemed to get response by the monitor. it set the resolution correctly. |
| 08:12.26 | tobago | i mean the other machine |
| 08:12.46 | stealth- | Lns: ah, I see.... That sucks. That's a bunch though for answering my question! I really didn't think anyone was going to give me any help :D |
| 08:12.51 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: same monitor? |
| 08:12.58 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, right |
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| 08:12.59 | stealth- | Lns: *thanks a bunch XD |
| 08:13.11 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: was it attached on the initial setup? |
| 08:13.16 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, but different distro. |
| 08:13.28 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: try setting the DPI manually and restarting X |
| 08:13.33 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, which initial setup? |
| 08:13.39 | GhostlyDeath | on Debian |
| 08:13.42 | GhostlyDeath | Was your monitor attached? |
| 08:14.04 | Lns | stealth-, no prob..just saw your response now heh |
| 08:14.14 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, yep the monitor was attached while doing the installation |
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| 08:14.52 | stealth- | Lns: yeah, I suppose it would have also helped had I thought to tag you |
| 08:15.36 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: try the DPI setting then, see what happens |
| 08:15.46 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: If you really are paranoid |
| 08:15.58 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: Open OOo or similar, use 12 pt font |
| 08:15.59 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, alright. will do so. |
| 08:16.01 | GhostlyDeath | print a line of text |
| 08:16.05 | GhostlyDeath | then print it in your printer |
| 08:16.14 | GhostlyDeath | compare the printout with the 100% view in the word processor |
| 08:16.23 | GhostlyDeath | If the text is bigger your dpi is too high |
| 08:16.33 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 08:16.38 | GhostlyDeath | if it's bigger your dpi is too low |
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| 08:16.45 | GhostlyDeath | if it's smaller, your dpi is too high |
| 08:16.51 | GhostlyDeath | or, the other way around |
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| 08:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | lower DPI would use less pixels |
| 08:17.39 | GhostlyDeath | Not sure |
| 08:17.41 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, hehe. i compare the printout of OpenOffice with what? what do you mean by word processor? the monitor output? |
| 08:17.49 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: yes |
| 08:17.55 | tobago | alright |
| 08:18.02 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: In OOo, write a line like "Quick brown fox... blah blah" |
| 08:18.07 | GhostlyDeath | Set the zoom to 100% |
| 08:18.15 | GhostlyDeath | and set the font to times 12pt |
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| 08:18.22 | GhostlyDeath | then print it out with your printer |
| 08:18.24 | GhostlyDeath | then compare it |
| 08:18.29 | GhostlyDeath | They should be the exact same size |
| 08:18.38 | GhostlyDeath | yknow, put the paper to the screen |
| 08:18.40 | GhostlyDeath | touching |
| 08:18.44 | tobago | yep |
| 08:18.57 | GhostlyDeath | If they aren't the same size then you need to manually adjust your DPI |
| 08:19.20 | GhostlyDeath | What might have happened is that it may have used info from a smaller resolution |
| 08:19.24 | GhostlyDeath | and used it for the larger one |
| 08:19.48 | GhostlyDeath | or it set the DPI for the highest resolution, but you are using a smaller one |
| 08:19.52 | cristi8 | one of my 3 hard drives is making weird sounds, and i want to know who. is it safe to do "cat /dev/sda > /dev/null" and listen to it ? |
| 08:20.00 | GhostlyDeath | cristi8: No |
| 08:20.12 | GhostlyDeath | cristi8: does dmesg say errors of sorts? |
| 08:20.23 | GhostlyDeath | cristi8: best thing to do is to back up anything important |
| 08:20.40 | GhostlyDeath | cristi8: You could do that command, but only do it once you hear the sound |
| 08:20.47 | GhostlyDeath | that is, if you hear it, don't keep doing it |
| 08:21.13 | cristi8 | i have important data, but want to know if it's on the "dying" hard disk |
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| 08:21.48 | cristi8 | hm.. or i'll just find > /dev/null on the selected partition.. |
| 08:22.03 | llutz | cristi8: if the data is important, you should already have a backup |
| 08:23.41 | cristi8 | right.. of course i should have it.. |
| 08:23.57 | llutz | if you don't have, stop fiddling with the drive, back it up |
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| 08:26.56 | babilen | cristi8: smartmontools might be of interest to you - *after* the backup is done |
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| 08:30.31 | babilen | cristi8: Especially "smartctl -A /dev/whatever" |
| 08:30.48 | cristi8 | making backup.. thanks for hints |
| 08:32.02 | babilen | cristi8: smartctl -l error /dev/whatever will show you all logged errors ... read the manpage for more |
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| 08:37.01 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, in that xorg.conf there is no resolution information set. pretty slim xml (just 1 parameter for monitor). |
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| 08:37.54 | tobago | no. it's no xml. it looks more like json or stuff like that. |
| 08:37.58 | tobago | anyway... |
| 08:38.25 | tobago | not settings anyway |
| 08:39.07 | tobago | and looking at the resolution by gui, it only offers 4:3 resolutions instead of 16:9. |
| 08:40.46 | babilen | Hi all - Is there any way to search for all bugs that are applicable to a given version (rather >=) of a package. I could not find anything like that in the querybts manpage or on the BTS website |
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| 08:45.43 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: Not XML format, there are no 4:3 resolutions or 16:9 resolutions |
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| 08:46.55 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, it looks like i have to set the xorg.conf settings by myself. |
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| 08:47.50 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, the highest resolution the gui offers is 1600x1200 which is 4:3. i expected one like 1920x1080. |
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| 08:49.27 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: set it yourself then |
| 08:49.37 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: 1600x1200 is not 4:3 |
| 08:49.44 | GhostlyDeath | It is meaningless, it's just a resolution |
| 08:49.49 | GhostlyDeath | it's common for 4:3 monitors |
| 08:49.52 | GhostlyDeath | but it isn't 4:3 |
| 08:50.01 | GhostlyDeath | It all depends on the pixels |
| 08:50.30 | GhostlyDeath | If 1600x1200 fit into the entire screen makes a 40x30 box square, then you got 4:3 |
| 08:50.40 | GhostlyDeath | (if you used a real ruler on it) |
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| 08:51.38 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, i would write it like this: http://gist.github.com/356168. is it important to set nodes like VendorName, ModelName, Device, DefaultDepth? |
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| 08:52.02 | GhostlyDeath | just in screen, set the size of your actual screen |
| 08:52.09 | GhostlyDeath | visible screen |
| 08:52.21 | GhostlyDeath | it's either screen or monitor |
| 08:52.24 | GhostlyDeath | not enturely sure |
| 08:53.04 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: not really important |
| 08:53.08 | GhostlyDeath | just to defaultdepth |
| 08:53.09 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, how does your xorg.conf looks like? |
| 08:53.15 | GhostlyDeath | well you need Device |
| 08:53.46 | GhostlyDeath | http://pastebin.com/81gLjE3i |
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| 08:54.37 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, no resolution settings at all? |
| 08:55.32 | babilen | tobago: these days you often need no xorg.conf at all - but *if* the hotplugging fails you can still use it to set specific parameters |
| 08:56.41 | tobago | babilen, my resolution settings obviously fail, because the fonts and some icons are much too large. that is why GhostlyDeath advised me to set the xorg.conf |
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| 08:56.57 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: set the resolution |
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| 08:57.07 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: You asked for mine and I gave you mine |
| 08:57.20 | GhostlyDeath | The settings are all automatically correct for me |
| 08:57.37 | simonrvn | you could also try to set the dpi via xrandr, but i seem t recall GhostlyDeath saying hat it didn't work for you when he asked? |
| 08:57.41 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, right. i didn't complained about that. |
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| 08:58.29 | tobago | simonrvn, no talks about xrandr yet. |
| 08:59.11 | simonrvn | e.g., xrandr --dpi 100x100 in ~/.xsession |
| 09:01.00 | babilen | but you can try that interactively first before setting it in ~/.xsession |
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| 09:01.26 | simonrvn | of course ;). i did say e.g. too |
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| 09:01.40 | babilen | sure :) |
| 09:01.41 | simonrvn | implying "try it first" |
| 09:01.56 | babilen | just thought "explicit is better than implicit" |
| 09:02.10 | simonrvn | is liking KMS on his old radeon 9k |
| 09:02.18 | babilen | yay \o/ |
| 09:02.19 | simonrvn | good idea |
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| 09:04.09 | tobago | simonrvn, babilen just to ensure. my issue is not an issue of my graphic card with Intel GMA500? |
| 09:04.27 | cristi8 | babilen: backup complete. here is the output of smartctl -A /dev/whatever for all 3 hard drives (i don't understand a thing :P http://codepad.org/1PofUIoS |
| 09:04.47 | simonrvn | wouldn't know |
| 09:05.26 | babilen | cristi8: That does not look good :-\ - http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/monitoring-hard-disks-smart?page=0,0 |
| 09:05.56 | babilen | cristi8: All you harddrives are above the save threshold .. |
| 09:06.00 | babilen | s/you/your |
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| 09:06.49 | babilen | cristi8: What does smartctl -l error /dev/whatever give you? |
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| 09:09.50 | cristi8 | no errors logged, for all 3 |
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| 09:11.19 | babilen | ok ... I would still consider replacing those drives ASAP - enable the smart daemon in /etc/default/smartmontools - by uncommenting the start_smartd = yes line |
| 09:11.42 | Bethany-C | is there a way to monitor throughput on a by-process basis? i've got something hogging my bandwidth and i can't figure out what it is. howto somewhere? |
| 09:12.19 | cristi8 | babilen: sdb has about 1 month of age.. :| |
| 09:12.43 | simonrvn | controller issue perhaps? |
| 09:12.56 | simonrvn | cabling? |
| 09:12.57 | babilen | cristi8: Hmm :-\ - Well, not sure what to make of the smartctl readings then. It might be related to your controller |
| 09:14.08 | petemc_ | Bethany-C: you could figure it out using a combination of jnettop and netstat/lsof |
| 09:14.12 | cristi8 | ok, i'll look into it, read that article and maybe run some more tests.. thanks |
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| 09:14.56 | babilen | cristi8: Also run a selftest with "smartctl -t long /dev/whatever" you can then query it with "smartctl -l selftest" |
| 09:15.31 | babilen | cristi8: Also read the documentation on http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki |
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| 09:16.25 | babilen | You can also run a shorter test with "smartctl -H /dev/whatever" do that now please and let me have a look |
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| 09:18.27 | cristi8 | for hda and sdb, the short test said "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED" |
| 09:18.27 | cristi8 | for sda, i gave it the long test |
| 09:18.27 | cristi8 | can i do both in the same time ? |
| 09:18.27 | babilen | alright - that looks better .. |
| 09:18.28 | babilen | no idea :-\ |
| 09:18.50 | babilen | well, try it |
| 09:20.05 | cristi8 | same output :) |
| 09:20.55 | Bethany-C | note to self: trying to monitor throughput works better if you're logged into the correct machine. |
| 09:21.33 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 09:22.49 | babilen | cristi8: I would run the long test on all drives, just to make sure. Also read: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/49/Monitoring_Hard_Disks_with_smartmontools.pdf and http://blog.shadypixel.com/monitoring-hard-drive-health-on-linux-with-smartmontools/ |
| 09:23.36 | babilen | well, i'm off - may you all have a great day! |
| 09:23.39 | cristi8 | babilen: i am doing all 3 long tests, thanks a lot |
| 09:23.42 | babilen | cristi8: good luck :) |
| 09:24.25 | babilen | cristi8: IIRC smartd (if enabled) will send you mails if major hdd breakage occurs. You might want to make sure that local mails are correctly delivered |
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| 09:33.21 | arvind_khadri | hi, how do i find, from which package a file comes from ? |
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| 09:33.51 | petemc_ | arvind_khadri: dpkg -S /path/to/file , if its installed, apt-file if its not |
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| 09:35.59 | quhan | is there kdebase-runtime 4.4? |
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| 09:38.28 | mvk | after i do: cat /dev/urandom |
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| 09:38.38 | mvk | the console/terminal characters get all ackward |
| 09:38.53 | petemc_ | reset |
| 09:38.53 | mvk | i ctrl+Z, but the shell looks weird |
| 09:39.00 | mvk | thanks |
| 09:39.09 | mvk | petemc_: what happens from tech pov? |
| 09:39.23 | petemc_ | not sure off the top of my head |
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| 09:40.04 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, simonrvn i edited to xorg.conf to: http://gist.github.com/356189, and restartet the X, but the fonts and icons are still the same large size. |
| 09:40.31 | liable | tobago: what DM/WM? |
| 09:40.57 | tobago | liable, gnome |
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| 09:41.24 | liable | tobago: see if theres a dpi setting in its monitor aetting thingo |
| 09:41.32 | mvk | petemc_: ok thanks :) |
| 09:41.47 | liable | i know kde has one that fixes that.. |
| 09:41.54 | tobago | liable, there is no dpi setting in the xorg.conf. what the node name for dpi settings? |
| 09:42.12 | liable | tobago: no, in the gnome config system settings menu thingo |
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| 09:45.52 | pabs3 | in System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Details > Resolution |
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| 09:46.26 | liable | allo pabs |
| 09:46.36 | liable | must have another beer one day! |
| 09:46.39 | pabs3 | waves |
| 09:47.03 | pabs3 | aye, about time for another beersigning |
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| 09:49.17 | tobago | liable, pabs3 the font sizes are set to 10 for all. |
| 09:49.17 | abchirk6 | are there kernel images > 2.6.28 for lenny? |
| 09:49.24 | abchirk6 | or queeze? |
| 09:49.25 | abchirk6 | +s |
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| 09:50.03 | pabs3 | tobago: the DPI, not the font sizes |
| 09:50.15 | abchirk6 | ah 2.6.32, sorry |
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| 09:56.00 | tobago | pabs3, that fixed the font issue. but the windows are still wrong sized. |
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| 09:56.35 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: |
| 09:56.41 | GhostlyDeath | try restarting GNOME |
| 09:56.44 | GhostlyDeath | log out, log back in |
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| 10:00.38 | tobago | GhostlyDeath, did so. the font size in the login screen is still that large. all other apps look o.k. right now. |
| 10:00.50 | tomas_ | hey, what linux-image should I go for virtualbox guest? |
| 10:02.11 | tomas_ | when I went for generic linux-image-2.6-686 my virtual machine would kernel panic if I had network card attached and work fine without one... |
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| 10:02.21 | jnz_ | Hi, I want to enable bluetooth on the an Acer Aspire 5710 (the driver are only for Vista). When I run 'hcitool dev` I don't see any device... what are the correct modules I have to install? |
| 10:02.23 | GhostlyDeath | tobago: For anything else, change the Xorg config |
| 10:02.41 | GhostlyDeath | jnz_: Depends on the bluetooth device |
| 10:02.44 | liable | jnz_: is its light on? |
| 10:02.50 | liable | jnz_: is it on in bios? |
| 10:02.52 | jnz_ | liable, no |
| 10:02.54 | GhostlyDeath | lspci -v |
| 10:03.03 | liable | jnz_: double check in bios |
| 10:03.14 | GhostlyDeath | If it's broadcom, then you'd need the firmware |
| 10:03.44 | liable | then you need to really? for bluetooth? |
| 10:04.04 | liable | uh, s/then you needto/ / |
| 10:04.28 | liable | i have renewed hatred for braodcom if it needs firmware for fucking bluetooth.. |
| 10:04.55 | liable | i haven't heard of bluetooth needing firmware before though |
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| 10:08.28 | jnz_ | brb |
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| 10:11.47 | jnz_ | in the bios there's nothing about bluetooth... |
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| 10:12.49 | mramish | I have a question : Can i newer kernel improve the battery life on my laptop? |
| 10:13.14 | lindi- | mramish: sure it can |
| 10:13.26 | amphi | mramish: newer kernels have better power management, I believe |
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| 10:13.48 | mramish | Ah ok thx |
| 10:14.02 | SPF | hmm, unrar doesn't seem to work always. Guess I'll have to wine winrar from now on ... |
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| 10:16.06 | lindi- | SPF: you might want to move to formats that can be opened with free software in the future |
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| 10:17.25 | enthus | Hi all i want to install tuxpaint in my lap i runned this "apt-get install tuxpaint" and got an error :could not fiind package tuxpaint. any help please??? |
| 10:18.20 | SPF | lindi-: I already have, but tell that to the rest of the world |
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| 10:18.39 | amphi | jnz_: is it on the usb bus? |
| 10:19.05 | lindi- | SPF: i do :) |
| 10:19.27 | jnz_ | amphi, using lsusb I don't see it, but the device should be integrated in the laptop |
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| 10:20.46 | amphi | jnz_: find /sys -name '*bluetooth*' turns up anything? |
| 10:22.05 | jnz_ | amphi, http://nopaste.info/70faab56e3.html |
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| 10:24.34 | jnz_ | I see also this module: bluetooth 44996 4 rfcomm,l2cap |
| 10:24.42 | jnz_ | using lsmod |
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| 10:25.50 | amphi | jnz_: is the rfkill module loaded? if not, it might be worth trying |
| 10:26.09 | jnz_ | it isn't |
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| 10:27.02 | jnz_ | ok, now it is |
| 10:27.17 | amphi | what do you see under /sys/class/rfkill ? |
| 10:27.47 | jnz_ | nothing, the directory is empty |
| 10:27.49 | amphi | here I can enable/disable bluetooth by echoing 1/0 to /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0/device/bluetooth_enable |
| 10:27.59 | amphi | so much for that idea :( |
| 10:28.07 | lindi- | amphi: are there really no commandline tools for that? |
| 10:28.29 | amphi | lindi-: probably ;) |
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| 10:28.58 | amphi | notes that echo _is_ a command line tool |
| 10:29.13 | lindi- | it seems to be a new trend |
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| 10:29.26 | jnz_ | asd |
| 10:29.37 | amphi | lindi-: what, monkeying about in /sys manually? |
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| 10:29.45 | jnz_ | searching about rfkill |
| 10:30.07 | lindi- | amphi: the lack of tools to do things and instead having to poke /sys |
| 10:30.18 | amphi | ah |
| 10:30.27 | lindi- | as an openmoko user that has hit me pretty badly |
| 10:30.37 | lindi- | each kernel upgrade rearranges the /sys layout :O |
| 10:30.48 | lindi- | s/O/)/ |
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| 10:30.53 | amphi | yes, I've been bitten by that before |
| 10:31.08 | lindi- | and what you know, then your GSM is on when you are on the plane bcause the power_on node is now "poweron" |
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| 10:32.09 | amphi | but by a miracle, the pilot still manages to land safely |
| 10:32.21 | lindi- | yep :) |
| 10:34.13 | jnz_ | however I don't think that the problem regards rfkill... |
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| 10:35.02 | jnz_ | the device should not be created automatically? |
| 10:36.00 | amphi | jnz_: did you look on linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org? perhaps they have some info on your model |
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| 10:40.33 | jnz_ | there's nothing about ... I give up |
| 10:40.45 | jnz_ | thanks anyway |
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| 10:44.04 | debiandebian | #python |
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| 10:47.44 | arvind_khadri | hi, how do i find, from which package a file comes from ? |
| 10:49.00 | amphi | arvind_khadri: dpkg -S or apt-file search |
| 10:49.15 | arvind_khadri | amphi, thanks |
| 10:49.24 | amphi | arvind_khadri: the latter, if the package is not installed |
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| 11:00.43 | mvk | ive installed debian on my server, and created a db on it - and made sure its running |
| 11:01.09 | mvk | also modified /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/pg_hba.conf to allow any host in my sub to be able to connect |
| 11:01.32 | mvk | but when i try to connect from a client, i get 'could not connect to server, connection refused' |
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| 11:01.42 | mvk | debian doesnt have a firewall right? |
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| 11:05.40 | b_i_d | It kinda does. IPTables is installed and active by default, but that usually isn't a problem. |
| 11:06.05 | b_i_d | Check if you have the rights to access the DB. |
| 11:06.39 | b_i_d | I don't know about postgrem but for MySQL I had to add my user to a certain group first. |
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| 11:12.24 | fat-lobyte | Hi, I want to improve my boot performance and I was thinking about changing my boot system to "dependency based boot sequence". What do I have to install and configure to get that? |
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| 11:14.50 | JPT | you'll have to completely change your current systems runlevel and/or init script structure... |
| 11:14.58 | MartyD | hi! where can i find cached (downloaded) packages in deb? |
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| 11:15.12 | Am1ne | hello ! |
| 11:15.17 | amphi | MartyD: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:15.25 | MartyD | thx amphi |
| 11:15.34 | JPT | fat-lobyte: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot <-- "Plan of migration" |
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| 11:16.29 | Am1ne | is there a way to access a protected directory by sudo ? example : sudo cd /var/log/squid ? |
| 11:16.49 | Am1ne | why it doesn't works ? |
| 11:17.08 | JPT | Am1ne: because sudo will only do the "cd"... |
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| 11:17.22 | JPT | then you are in this directory but you as a user have no permission to read |
| 11:17.31 | JPT | you'll need "su" |
| 11:17.46 | Am1ne | ok |
| 11:17.55 | Am1ne | and it's the only solution ? |
| 11:18.16 | JPT | either this or change the directories permissions in a way that you can read it... |
| 11:18.19 | Am1ne | I see : su -c 'command' |
| 11:18.22 | Am1ne | right ! |
| 11:18.32 | JPT | meh |
| 11:18.36 | JPT | su -c == sudo |
| 11:18.42 | JPT | :D |
| 11:18.58 | Am1ne | but su -c can accept arguments |
| 11:19.03 | Am1ne | I think let me try |
| 11:19.07 | JPT | okay :) |
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| 11:20.42 | fat-lobyte | JPT: looks like all it says for users is install insserv and "do something with your configuration". What do I have to change? |
| 11:21.05 | Am1ne | su: Authentication failure :s |
| 11:21.05 | JPT | i don't know... :/ |
| 11:21.09 | Am1ne | anyway |
| 11:21.17 | aguitel | if i type aptitude keep-all ,how undo this action? |
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| 11:23.12 | arvind_khadri | Is odbc compulsory to build slapd ? |
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| 11:29.16 | Am1ne | !rootshell |
| 11:29.28 | Am1ne | !sudo |
| 11:29.29 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or <sudoers> |
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| 11:29.53 | amphi | !tell Am1ne -about msg the bot |
| 11:30.26 | Am1ne | ok ok |
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| 11:32.26 | mbruins | is there a replacement for 'microsoft silverlight' in debian (lenny)? |
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| 11:33.51 | npoektop | hi! i have a problem with my system. When it is under heavy load, it does not hang but it slows down dramatically. Even after i kill all heavy processes, it looks like cpu frequency went down to 300 MHz. I have lots of memory, no swapping, cpufreq-set performance etc. Maybe it's because of kernel scheduler? |
| 11:33.55 | npoektop | or smth |
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| 11:35.58 | thechef | npoektop, maybe your CPU overheats and slows down? |
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| 11:38.05 | npoektop | thechef, no, i don't think so. Temperature is ok. If i reboot now, it would work at full power untill next heavy load. |
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| 11:39.55 | thechef | I've mysql eating 200% CPU (dual core), kernel is a new desktop kernel and i don't notice that the CPU is in use. |
| 11:40.57 | JPT | hmm... my mysql is working on adding an index to a 1.4gib table... |
| 11:40.58 | thechef | But why does the CPU go down to 300 mhz? and what is it's original speed? |
| 11:41.11 | H2S04 | 9/bu3 |
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| 11:42.34 | npoektop | thechef, i mean i looks like it went down to 300 MHz, cpu-info says it's on max |
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| 11:43.56 | npoektop | could it be because of memory overheat? maybe memory drops frequency? how to check it? |
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| 11:44.29 | thechef | npoektop, and how do you "measure" the slowndown? |
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| 11:46.51 | razvand | Hi! I've just (re)installed Debian squeeze (kernel 2.6.32) on my laptop (Dell Inspiron 1521, sound card is HDA ATI SB, STAC92xx) and there is no playback. The odd thing is there is no error when using aplay or any other debugging tool. There is no muted mixer. What should I do to debug it/make it work? |
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| 11:47.07 | razvand | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.29 | npoektop | thechef, time dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 |
| 11:47.29 | mbruins | found out that there is a replacement for m$ silverlight called moonlight works perfectly so my question is awnserd ;) |
| 11:47.40 | npoektop | it takes 3 seconds |
| 11:47.48 | lindi- | razvand: what about the mic? |
| 11:48.16 | razvand | lindi-, I haven't tried that one |
| 11:48.24 | razvand | lindi-, just a sec |
| 11:50.04 | thechef | npoektop, can you also test cpu speed? |
| 11:50.37 | razvand | lindi-, no, it doesn't work :-( |
| 11:50.41 | wols | thechef: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:50.53 | lindi- | razvand: you get only zeroes? |
| 11:50.56 | razvand | I remember the last time there was also a PCM (or something) bar |
| 11:51.05 | wols | razvand: what kernel version? |
| 11:51.13 | razvand | yeah, only zeroes |
| 11:51.23 | razvand | a wav header and only zeroes |
| 11:51.26 | razvand | wols, 2.6.32 |
| 11:51.39 | razvand | wols, the "standard" kernel in squeeze |
| 11:52.52 | npoektop | thechef, cpufreq-info says it's on max, same as /proc/cpuinfo How to test it? |
| 11:54.16 | razvand | I guess I'll try a different kernel version |
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| 11:58.32 | npoektop | how to check memory frequency? |
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| 12:00.22 | razvand | Has anyone an idea why would an error such as this arise? http://paste.debian.net/67529/ |
| 12:01.09 | wols | razvand: what bootloader do you use? |
| 12:01.28 | razvand | GRUB2 |
| 12:01.41 | razvand | and the installed kernel 2.6.32 does use initrd |
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| 12:03.16 | razvand | solved it, a line had to be added to /etc/kernel-img.conf - sorry for the trouble |
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| 12:05.37 | thechef | npoektop, an application that does lots of integer calculation only would be good to test cpu speed. if it performs better right after boot I would concentrate on CPU and hidden kernel tasks (?), if it performs equally memory or I/O is probably the cause. |
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| 12:16.21 | razvand | the sound card works in the 2.6.30 kernel |
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| 12:25.05 | npoektop | i'm installing linux-image-2.6.32. Aptitude just said i have to update e100 firmware from non-free, but i can't find it there |
| 12:25.52 | Moofius | My vps provider has a "console" application on their webpage, it connects to my server without asking root password or anything. Can i somehow check how this is connected, so I can disable this and just use ssh? I asked them and they said no, but I rather not rely on my vps' webpage security, as I'm not the author of it :) |
| 12:25.54 | Titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 12:25.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:25.57 | pmo_ | i'd like to try xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental on lenny, how can i do this ? |
| 12:26.18 | pmo_ | apt-get refuse to do it.. |
| 12:26.19 | wols | npoektop: firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 12:26.26 | wols | pmo_: you can't |
| 12:26.44 | Titan8990 | Moofius: its likely a virtual serial console. disabling it could be shooting yourself in the foot later |
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| 12:27.09 | pmo_ | wols, but i need to.. my graphic card / motherboard is not properly recognized, and i heard last intel xorg driver does;. at least a little |
| 12:27.29 | wols | pmo_: doesn't matter. you can't, unless you run sid/experiemtnal |
| 12:27.52 | wols | you can try to compile your own xorg from experimental sources I guess |
| 12:28.05 | Moofius | Titan8990: I'll do some research about that, thanks for naming what it probably is :p |
| 12:29.10 | pmo_ | wols, in fact the real thing is.. i tried to build a chroot system.. but each time i do 'xinit -- :1.0 tty8' to try a new X , it always says.. no driver available.. while :0 is working |
| 12:29.49 | pmo_ | wols, and :0 setup use vesa, but for some reason :1 says there is none.. neither vesa available |
| 12:29.59 | npoektop | wols, thank you |
| 12:30.08 | Titan8990 | that "some reason" is in your logs |
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| 12:30.46 | wols | how can you run X 2 times with a driver for a physical videocard when you only have one videocard? |
| 12:31.08 | valdyn | wols: just do it |
| 12:31.12 | pmo_ | wols, because that works usually .. it is only a memory map issue |
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| 12:31.21 | Titan8990 | wols: yeah, you can run multiple X sessions |
| 12:31.22 | valdyn | wols: but most drivers probably wont support it, nvidia supports it perfectly fine |
| 12:31.32 | pmo_ | valdyn, :) |
| 12:31.33 | wols | so X will save one videocard output and restoring the other when switching? |
| 12:31.41 | Titan8990 | valdyn: ah, I didn't know there were drivers that had trobule |
| 12:31.47 | npoektop | wols, should i reinstall new linux-image, or it would work after i install firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 12:31.48 | pmo_ | wols, yep.. something like that |
| 12:31.53 | valdyn | wols: the usual ctrl-alt-f1 console switching |
| 12:31.55 | wols | npoektop: should work |
| 12:32.05 | npoektop | wols, ok, thank you |
| 12:32.11 | valdyn | its a good idea when you have to use something like wine that easily crashes your X |
| 12:32.41 | pmo_ | wols, i used this from time to time since.. 95.. |
| 12:33.27 | Titan8990 | valdyn: or fullscreen games capture alt+tab |
| 12:33.33 | valdyn | Titan8990: right |
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| 12:33.47 | valdyn | the problem with this approach though is that |
| 12:33.58 | valdyn | rendering is *not* disabled when you switch consoles |
| 12:34.03 | valdyn | = more cpu / gfx load |
| 12:34.04 | pmo_ | wols, you can try yourself, it should work.. and then you do 'ctl alt delete_backspace', it should delete your new X screen on tty8.. or you can switch from both.. with ctrl alt f7 and f8 |
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| 12:34.57 | valdyn | oh and |
| 12:35.09 | wols | valdyn: that's exactly what I want. rendering while there is no picture on the screen |
| 12:35.13 | valdyn | i think all drivers support it *without* 3D on all but one console |
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| 12:35.31 | wols | yes, that I know but is no problem for my intended use :) |
| 12:35.32 | valdyn | but nvidia does 3D on all screens accelerated |
| 12:36.02 | valdyn | wols: gdm does this by default btw, when you use its multiple users logged in at a time feature |
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| 12:36.40 | aleray | hi, is there any translation of the coreutils info page in french ? |
| 12:36.41 | valdyn | ( but gdm starts a screensaver on the inactive users screen so rendering does get disabled ) |
| 12:37.40 | pmo_ | but then when i am on a chrooted system.. it says no drivers.. while vesa is used on display :0.0 .. and i don't really understand why, this is why i tought i could make a try of "intel" driver, which should be the "real" one in fact.. for my core "i3" |
| 12:37.46 | valdyn | wols: or simply "startx -- :1" |
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| 12:38.12 | pmo_ | aleray, babelfish at worst |
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| 12:42.17 | pmo_ | valdyn, any idea, why this wouldn't work on a chrooted system ? |
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| 12:44.13 | wols | what do your logs say? |
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| 12:46.11 | pmo_ | o devices to configure. Configuration failed. |
| 12:46.16 | pmo_ | o= No |
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| 12:47.59 | aleray | pmo_: ok |
| 12:48.02 | aleray | tha nks |
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| 12:49.55 | tobago | how to remove the grub bootloader? |
| 12:50.34 | Titan8990 | easiest way would be to overwrite it with another bootloader |
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| 12:50.36 | lindi- | tobago: install something else |
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| 12:51.11 | pmo_ | wols, http://pastebin.com/0TQaXMPU |
| 12:51.26 | Bop | how to move from sid to stable ? |
| 12:51.53 | valdyn | Bop: reinstall |
| 12:51.59 | Bop | no , there's a way |
| 12:52.08 | pmo_ | Bop, change sources.list accordingly and apt-get upgrade (maybe) |
| 12:52.20 | Bop | someone provided a way here |
| 12:52.23 | valdyn | Bop: theres no way that is remotely as easy as reinstall |
| 12:52.29 | tobago | lindi-, mmh. the issue i have is: i installed debian on that system by mini.iso on an external usb pendrive. now i want to repeat the installation, but grub is loaded and somehow the debian installer is not loaded, though it should. that is why i think of removing grub and hoping the installer is loaded correctly after that. |
| 12:52.31 | valdyn | Bop: thats not a way at all |
| 12:52.44 | Bop | but someone told me a link |
| 12:52.54 | wols | !downgrade |
| 12:52.54 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 12:52.55 | lindi- | tobago: it is the bios that decides where to boot |
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| 12:53.11 | tobago | lindi-, in the bios the usb pendrive is first. |
| 12:53.12 | lindi- | tobago: maybe it fallbacks to usb if it finds nothing bootable from hdd? |
| 12:53.29 | wols | pmo_: is /dev/ inside the chroot available? |
| 12:53.33 | lindi- | tobago: sounds like a bug then |
| 12:53.33 | pmo_ | Bop, you can make stable = 1001 priority on apt.conf.. hence it will downgrade |
| 12:53.33 | tobago | lindi-, but nevertheless grub is loaded. |
| 12:53.46 | pmo_ | wols, yep |
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| 12:53.56 | wols | pmo_: /proc too perhaps? |
| 12:54.07 | pmo_ | wols, also |
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| 12:54.13 | Bop | !kernels |
| 12:54.15 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100401, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc3-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc3, stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.2 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.11 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.46 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
| 12:54.31 | Bop | !lenny-kernel |
| 12:54.41 | tobago | lindi-, grub looks for the vmlinuz written in its menu.lst and can't find it on the usb pendrive (because there is none). so it looks like something screwed up there. anyway. i just want o make sure the usb drive is loaded first. |
| 12:54.47 | niklaswe | hmm guys... i using debian lenny and have install pidign.. but it says our protocol doesnt support the server.. must i use testing for use msn with pidgin? |
| 12:54.59 | tobago | as it was possible before (when installing debian the first time) |
| 12:55.03 | babilen | ,versions pidgin |
| 12:55.04 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2 |
| 12:55.08 | valdyn | niklaswe: get the pidgin from backports.org |
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| 12:55.12 | pmo_ | wols, you think driver is in dev.. like fb.. but this is vesa.. i don't think thatis in dev.. since it make no change |
| 12:55.17 | babilen | !tell niklaswe about bpo |
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| 12:55.33 | wols | pmo_: no, the hardware access is in /dev, and X needs hardware it can access |
| 12:55.42 | wols | and/or decide what hardware is availabel |
| 12:56.15 | tobago | lindi-, and my hope is, if the bootloader (grub) is no available any more, the installer of usb drive would be loaded correctly. |
| 12:56.22 | tobago | not |
| 12:57.06 | pmo_ | wols, yes 'hardware' is in dev.. but for X.. it is in dev, when it talks with framebuffer, setup by the kernel.. but also it can work by itself. when you select an X drive.. hence it is not in /dev |
| 12:57.35 | tobago | lindi-, so how to clean up the mbr? |
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| 12:58.00 | pmo_ | wols, i mean i expect xserver-xorg-video-intel.. and others like vesa.. not to be in /dev/ but in X loaded modules |
| 12:58.20 | pmo_ | tobago, dd if=/dev/null ... don't ask me the rest |
| 12:58.32 | wols | pmo_: is can X access your hardware? |
| 12:58.46 | lindi- | pmo_: null won't work:) |
| 12:58.59 | wols | tobago: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1 |
| 12:59.16 | lindi- | that will also destroy partition table |
| 12:59.27 | pmo_ | wols, on /dev you have the hardware recognized by the kernel.. if X needs it.. it will use it, like framebuffer.. but when it uses it own driver.. xserver-.. intel or vesa, it doesnt need it |
| 12:59.28 | wols | yes it will since the partition table is part of the MBR |
| 12:59.42 | valdyn | pmo_: nono |
| 12:59.58 | tobago | pmo_, i tried: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1, which didn't work. the grub was still available. |
| 12:59.59 | wols | pmo_: how will your xserver access the hardware? the xserver runs inside the chroot... |
| 12:59.59 | pmo_ | tobago, be cautious and have a cd / dvd on hand to be able to boot, |
| 13:00.09 | wols | tobago: cause /dev/null is bogus |
| 13:00.21 | pmo_ | tobago, oops.. grub.. i dont know much about grub, i usually use lilo.. |
| 13:00.36 | wols | tobago: but it would also remove your partition table |
| 13:00.47 | pmo_ | tobago, also depends on your config.. could be on second stage.. blabla |
| 13:00.51 | tobago | wols, what does this bs=512 is for? |
| 13:00.57 | wols | blocksize |
| 13:01.00 | wols | man dd |
| 13:01.04 | tobago | alright |
| 13:01.22 | Bop | is where bootloader is supposed to be |
| 13:01.31 | Bop | first 512 |
| 13:01.35 | pmo_ | wols, yes xserver inside chroot.. |
| 13:01.40 | wols | and before you ask: I doubt you can use bs=448 to preserve th partition table since the smalles amount of data you can write onto a disk is 512bytes. it's a block device after all |
| 13:01.48 | wols | pmo_: and that's why you need /dev |
| 13:02.07 | pmo_ | wols, but there is nothing like /dev/fb.. for video harwhare as long as you use.. xservers.. |
| 13:02.10 | xyan | 446 bs=1 count=446 actually wokrs |
| 13:02.48 | valdyn | xyan: dd reads the original content after 446 and writes it back? |
| 13:02.48 | tobago | wols, hehe, that's what i read in a tutorial... http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-uninstall-grub/ |
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| 13:03.14 | pmo_ | wols, should be something like video map.. kernel doesn't provider video driver in that case.. xserver works on his own.. but needs memory facilities..or something similar |
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| 13:03.26 | xyan | valdyn: im not sure how it does it internally, but i used it to do it that way preserving my partition table |
| 13:03.48 | valdyn | xyan: sure preserving works, but writing back? |
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| 13:04.18 | valdyn | oh well, thats probably even in the posix spec, which im not to familiar with |
| 13:04.39 | xyan | shrugs |
| 13:05.28 | pmo_ | wols, /proc.. |
| 13:05.44 | pmo_ | wols, /proc doesn't mount properly for some reason |
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| 13:06.30 | xyan | valdyn: using conv=notrunc might be a good idea there though |
| 13:06.43 | pmo_ | wols, the only way xservers can have access to video card.. withouth kernel /dev support.. is PCI, hence it needs /proc to work properly, which is not the case, curiously actually |
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| 13:07.04 | valdyn | pmo_: except when dri is used |
| 13:07.29 | valdyn | ( but thats probably irrelevant anyway for vesa ) |
| 13:07.31 | pmo_ | valdyn, yes, that is a kernel driver i think |
| 13:07.34 | wols | with /proc, the xserver knows what hardware to address |
| 13:07.39 | pmo_ | valdyn, and framebuffer too |
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| 13:08.18 | valdyn | im not sure X even uses proc |
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| 13:08.24 | pmo_ | wols, it also can have direct access to all pci card.. like video cards |
| 13:08.34 | valdyn | it has its "own" ioctls |
| 13:08.35 | wols | somehow or other it needs to know what hardware to access valdyn |
| 13:08.57 | valdyn | I didnt follow this properly in the recent years |
| 13:09.00 | npoektop | i've just installed memtest86+. Can't find a manual how to use it. |
| 13:09.15 | valdyn | X should have moved from scanning the pci bus by itself to using linux - provided facilities |
| 13:09.19 | wols | npoektop: you reboot. there it is. you cannot run it inside linux |
| 13:09.35 | pmo_ | brb.. |
| 13:09.41 | npoektop | i rebooted, but didn't find it in grub |
| 13:09.43 | pmo_ | wols, lspci will tell |
| 13:09.51 | wols | pmo_: will tell what? |
| 13:10.00 | wols | and guess how lspci gets its info? |
| 13:10.08 | valdyn | pmo_: strace -eopen lspci 2>&1 | grep proc |
| 13:10.34 | valdyn | sysfs would be the modern solution though |
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| 13:11.56 | valdyn | i havent seen anyone complain about the latest pulseaudio breakage in sid |
| 13:12.01 | valdyn | no one uses it i guess |
| 13:12.14 | valdyn | but theres the bugreport! |
| 13:12.21 | lindi- | valdyn: you did not cite bug number |
| 13:12.30 | npoektop | wols, how to start memtest on reboot? |
| 13:12.47 | valdyn | lindi-: 576457 |
| 13:12.54 | xyan | npoektop: install, update-grub and reboot |
| 13:13.04 | valdyn | looks to me like a totally untested upload, but what do I know |
| 13:13.34 | npoektop | wols, it found memtest. thank you |
| 13:13.35 | lindi- | valdyn: that broke it for stable too |
| 13:13.44 | valdyn | lindi-: wow, how lame |
| 13:13.46 | abrotman | valdyn: it's been broken for a month |
| 13:13.54 | lindi- | valdyn: it was reported against table more than a month ago |
| 13:13.57 | abrotman | oh wait .. April 4th ... |
| 13:14.02 | valdyn | abrotman: maybe in stable for a month |
| 13:14.26 | valdyn | abrotman: the sid nmu came later than lenny fix anyway |
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| 13:15.03 | valdyn | lindi-: i see no grave bug for stable in the bts |
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| 13:16.16 | valdyn | [15 Mar 2010] DSA-2017 pulseaudio it is i guess |
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| 13:18.58 | lindi- | valdyn: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574111 |
| 13:19.07 | valdyn | lindi-: ah, different package, i see |
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| 13:19.43 | lindi- | the package that has the code :) |
| 13:19.50 | valdyn | nice, so it wasnt untested |
| 13:20.00 | valdyn | just distclean missing fucked it |
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| 13:25.04 | valdyn | lindi-: thanks, building |
| 13:26.16 | valdyn | or not, id have to rediff |
| 13:29.28 | kazakh | hi |
| 13:29.28 | mbruins | can i see in debian what kind of hd and/or ram i have? (brand/type/spec) |
| 13:29.50 | Titan8990 | mbruins: possibly with dmidecode or lshw |
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| 13:31.48 | greedo | ok, I need some help fixing my packages I think they are broken |
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| 13:31.55 | wols | mbruins: only if the spd eeprom isn't lieing |
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| 13:32.28 | mbruins | wols: that what? |
| 13:32.36 | mbruins | wols: s/that/the/ |
| 13:32.54 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_presence_detect |
| 13:32.55 | valdyn | mbruins: dmidecode is only as reliable as the data it gets, which is not very reliable |
| 13:33.12 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/eaHUzUH8 |
| 13:33.39 | mbruins | valdyn: doesnt sound to great.. |
| 13:33.40 | Titan8990 | greedo: are you supossed to be running lenny? |
| 13:34.01 | mbruins | Titan8990: why shouldnt he? |
| 13:34.27 | greedo | titan8990: I attempted to upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 13:34.28 | Titan8990 | mbruins: idk, the pastebin could easily be a botched upgrade to squeeze |
| 13:34.37 | mbruins | Titan8990: ok ty |
| 13:35.01 | valdyn | greedo: thats not lenny |
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| 13:35.14 | valdyn | greedo: thats squeeze or later what you are trying to install |
| 13:35.15 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libc6 |
| 13:35.16 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
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| 13:35.44 | Titan8990 | greedo: it looks like you are actually mixing squeeze/sid in there too... pastebin your sources.list |
| 13:36.57 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/8kqDC33V |
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| 13:37.49 | greedo | the comments out lines are from the old source before I attempted the upgrade |
| 13:38.24 | abrotman | greedo: are you truying to run lenny or squeeze? |
| 13:38.39 | Titan8990 | greedo: so you had installed squeeze stuff in etch prior to trying to upgrade to lenny? |
| 13:38.42 | greedo | abrotman: lenny |
| 13:38.58 | greedo | Titan8990: yes |
| 13:39.47 | Titan8990 | greedo: pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6-dev |
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| 13:40.53 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/90RJKUKg |
| 13:42.37 | Titan8990 | greedo: I have a feeling you are going to have trouble downgrading locales... anyways, what you need to do is remove the locales and and libc6-dev packages and then install the ones from lenny |
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| 13:42.56 | Titan8990 | greedo: or, if i was you, restore a system backup from before you mixed releases |
| 13:43.47 | greedo | Titan8990: since this is a production server, restoring from backup is not an option |
| 13:44.10 | greedo | Titan8990: Is it possible to force remove packages |
| 13:44.26 | valdyn | greedo: removing libc6 is not an option |
| 13:44.31 | Titan8990 | greedo: you mixed squeeze in on a production server? |
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| 13:44.33 | valdyn | greedo: you can downgrade it theoretically |
| 13:45.14 | Titan8990 | valdyn: he only needs to downgrade the -dev afaict |
| 13:45.18 | valdyn | greedo: so it already had newer than lenny packages before you tried to upgrade it to lenny |
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| 13:45.27 | valdyn | greedo: possibly anyway |
| 13:45.45 | greedo | valdyn: yes, since I had testing repos |
| 13:46.08 | greedo | valdyn: how could I downgrade? |
| 13:46.20 | valdyn | greedo: aptitude install packagename=version |
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| 13:47.12 | valdyn | maybe one day someone will write a script for the thousands of fools |
| 13:47.29 | valdyn | "is_my_sources.list_possibly_sane" |
| 13:48.22 | amphi | heh |
| 13:48.24 | wols | valdyn: with automatic removal or testing and unstable lines? |
| 13:48.39 | valdyn | yea! |
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| 13:49.14 | greedo | valdyn: I my defense, I inherited the this machine |
| 13:49.41 | wols | greedo: inherited it when? |
| 13:49.45 | valdyn | greedo: thats common too, that's why i wasn't blaming you |
| 13:49.46 | Titan8990 | I can have sympothy for what |
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| 13:51.35 | greedo | valydn: what version should I downgrade too? |
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| 13:52.48 | Titan8990 | greedo: the lenny version |
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| 13:54.57 | niklaswe | hmm guys.. is it someone more some have problem with snmp.. i got this error now.. after i have installing snmpd. |
| 13:55.09 | niklaswe | system: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> system) |
| 13:55.10 | greedo | Titan8990: so 2.7-18lenny2? |
| 13:55.26 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libc6-dev |
| 13:55.28 | judd | libc6-dev -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 13:55.35 | Titan8990 | yes |
| 13:55.38 | niklaswe | !dpkg snmp |
| 13:55.39 | dpkg | from memory, snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 13:55.50 | greedo | haha |
| 13:57.07 | greedo | Titan8990: I think it got stuck with a 'ldconfig' not found on PATH error |
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| 13:58.24 | Titan8990 | greedo: just curious, were you hired as a debian admin or as something else that ended up stuck with this? |
| 13:58.35 | tanlaan | Good morning everyone (Well morning in PST). |
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| 13:59.28 | greedo | Titan8990: I was hired as a debian admin, I'm pretty involved in tamulug |
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| 14:00.11 | greedo | http://tamulug.tamu.edu/ |
| 14:00.19 | Titan8990 | greedo: is that what helped you get the job? |
| 14:00.57 | niklaswe | any ide about this problem with snmpd system: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> system) |
| 14:00.59 | greedo | Titan8990: partially |
| 14:01.21 | niklaswe | i got this when i trying to check if snmpd works correctly |
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| 14:01.30 | tanlaan | I've been running on ratpoison for a bit now, liking the minimalism of it. Especially because it's on an Eee PC 900A. Anyway, I've been looking for an elegant solution to wireless from the command line. I've been using iwconfig and dhclient to set up my wireless and DHCP. This works perfectly fine on my home router with WEP protection. But I can't get it to connect to any other routers including open ones. Dhclient just will not return |
| 14:01.34 | Titan8990 | greedo: alright, pastebin your last full error |
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| 14:02.04 | jarick | niklaswe: You are missing a MIB somewhere. What EXACTLY did you do to get that error, and what is your full error message? |
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| 14:02.25 | tanlaan | Does anyone know of a nice simple CLI network manager that isn't (or atleast this is what I'm looking for) connecting to networkmanager itself. |
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| 14:02.37 | schmack | how can i make this flags with chmod -rwxr--r-- ? |
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| 14:03.00 | Sanitoeter | hi! What exactly is "/dev/shm/pulse-shm-<somenumbers>" and what do I need it for? I don't have pulseaudio installed and google doesn't tell me much about this file either. |
| 14:03.00 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/9UZsBDSm |
| 14:03.08 | seyfarth | I'd like to put debian on my netbook. Any recommendations on configuration with regards to the little Atom processor? |
| 14:03.13 | jarick | schmack: chmod 744? |
| 14:03.13 | tanlaan | schmack:364 |
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| 14:03.32 | niklaswe | jarick: i running this command snmpwalk -Os -c public -v 1 localhost system |
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| 14:03.36 | schmack | yes |
| 14:03.38 | schmack | thanks |
| 14:03.40 | abrotman | seyfarth: configuration of what? |
| 14:03.48 | niklaswe | and i paste the full error messages i got.. |
| 14:03.49 | jarick | tanlaan: 364? |
| 14:04.01 | greedo | Titan8990: so I would take it that you are a debian admin? |
| 14:04.02 | seyfarth | abrotman: well, xfce mostly |
| 14:04.03 | jarick | niklaswe: Paste that and the full output into pastebin please. |
| 14:04.18 | tanlaan | jarick: my bad, didn't notice the there was a - in front lol. So instead of 7 I came out with 3 XD |
| 14:04.24 | abrotman | seyfarth: you're still being kind of vague .. low power usage? disk usage? screen usage? |
| 14:04.32 | niklaswe | jarick: okey |
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| 14:04.52 | abrotman | seyfarth: FWIW, i went with LXDE on my netbook, and i've been pretty pleased |
| 14:05.09 | Titan8990 | greedo: I am not. I graduated school almost a year ago and have yet to get a linux admin job... constantly looking however |
| 14:05.27 | Titan8990 | greedo: we are getting offtopic. Let me see the pastebin from your failed to find ldconfig |
| 14:05.54 | greedo | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/9UZsBDSm |
| 14:06.02 | seyfarth | abrotman: sorry. I need as much screen real estate as possible, and generally get rid of as much visual fluff as possible without getting rid of X :) |
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| 14:06.21 | jarick | niklaswe: Are you going to paste that? |
| 14:06.30 | seyfarth | abrotman: I'll try lxde though. solid idea |
| 14:06.32 | abrotman | seyfarth: that's why i chose lxde? :) |
| 14:06.48 | jarick | It's 2206 hrs and I have a long day ahead. I'm about to head for rack time. |
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| 14:07.04 | Titan8990 | greedo: does /sbin/ldconfig exist? |
| 14:07.12 | abrotman | seyfarth: though my netbook has an additional situation disk space is limited, 16GB SSD, and it dual boots |
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| 14:07.42 | greedo | Titan: negative |
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| 14:08.11 | Titan8990 | greedo: apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 14:08.14 | jarick | No paste? OK. Good night. |
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| 14:08.42 | niklaswe | http://pastebin.com/Y4eQLSxJ |
| 14:08.48 | niklaswe | hmm and now he leave :P |
| 14:08.51 | niklaswe | damit :P |
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| 14:08.59 | greedo | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/ciazA5mJ |
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| 14:10.48 | Titan8990 | greedo: aptitude reinstall libc6 |
| 14:11.50 | greedo | Titan8990: ok, I got the same 'ldconfig' error |
| 14:13.02 | Titan8990 | greedo: restore the binary from a backup and try again |
| 14:13.13 | Titan8990 | greedo: if it in fact does not exist |
| 14:15.14 | greedo | Titan8990: ldconfig or the whole machine? |
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| 14:18.13 | Titan8990 | greedo: ldconfig |
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| 14:18.46 | Titan8990 | greedo: that file is part of the libc6 package and should be present on your system, as it shows the package as installed |
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| 14:19.44 | greedo | Titan8990: ah, it's just lost I see |
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| 14:22.40 | greedo | Titan: I just got a new copy of libc6 and extraced ldconfig |
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| 14:26.01 | Titan8990 | greedo: did that allow you to install/reinstall the libc6 package? |
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| 14:26.53 | greedo | Titan8990: sorta, I have a libpam-ldap dependency issue now |
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| 14:27.38 | Titan8990 | greedo: pastebin |
| 14:27.53 | greedo | http://pastebin.com/jUdW8T3i |
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| 14:30.11 | Titan8990 | greedo: remove libpam-ldap unless its going to stop authentication on your box |
| 14:31.00 | Titan8990 | greedo: that makes *anther* indication of a missing file from libc6.... |
| 14:31.41 | Titan8990 | greedo: it seems that someone managed to install the package and then delete its files... rather important package too... was the last admin disgruntled? |
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| 14:33.20 | greedo | Titan8990: I think he was a foreign exchange student |
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| 14:35.37 | Titan8990 | greedo: you also will need to restore the file /etc/init.d/glibc.sh |
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| 14:36.41 | greedo | Titan8990: wonder if that is also in libc6? |
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| 14:36.56 | Titan8990 | greedo: it is |
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| 14:37.44 | DrHalan | hey im looking for debian pacakges that contain evolution 2.30 |
| 14:37.51 | DrHalan | it doesn't seem to be in experimental yet |
| 14:37.55 | Titan8990 | judd: versions evolution |
| 14:37.56 | judd | evolution -- etch: 2.6.3-6etch2; etch-security: 2.6.3-6etch2; lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.28.2-3; sid: 2.28.3-1; experimental: 2.29.92.1-1 |
| 14:38.02 | Titan8990 | DrHalan: not in debian |
| 14:38.20 | DrHalan | are there debian repsoitories for gnome or so? |
| 14:38.21 | abrotman | DrHalan: that version in experimental would be close, but probably buggy |
| 14:38.34 | abrotman | DrHalan: you mean unofficial repos ? |
| 14:38.42 | DrHalan | abrotman: excatly |
| 14:38.43 | Titan8990 | evolution stable releases are buggy... so I couldn't imagine |
| 14:39.15 | DrHalan | Titan8990: yeah but im intersted in this release. they removed the dependency on bonobo completely so it should be smoother |
| 14:39.15 | abrotman | DrHalan: gnome 2.30 has been out for what .. five days? |
| 14:39.40 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 14:39.40 | dpkg | Shiny New Shite Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 14:41.03 | gnat_x | i need some help diagnosing what i think is an issue with my kernel, so i can write a helpful bug report. what's happening is that whenver i do anything high really processor intensive, the kernel halts the machine due to heat. all i can find in the logs is the halt message itself. i'm using the linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 package in squeeze on a thinkpad x61. |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | gnat_x: does your fan come on at all ? |
| 14:41.26 | gnat_x | this problem is new as of my move to sqeeze |
| 14:41.39 | gnat_x | abrotman: yes. its on right now. |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | is it on full blast ? |
| 14:42.01 | gnat_x | no. |
| 14:42.31 | rvalles | gnat_x: try setting "throttle" as a start |
| 14:42.46 | rvalles | amd cpus, at least athlons and athlon-xps |
| 14:42.51 | pierrep | is it normal to get rpcind listening by default when installing gnome and deps ? |
| 14:43.03 | rvalles | have some settable thing (via /proc/something) so that they work only 10% of the time and idle the rest or whatever |
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| 14:44.36 | Titan8990 | greedo: hows it going? |
| 14:44.53 | greedo | Titan8990: I can stop libpam-ldap temporary, but not permanently |
| 14:45.19 | greedo | Titan8990: i fixed glibc.sh |
| 14:45.49 | niklaswe | if i boto |
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| 14:46.36 | greedo | Titan8990: should I just remove libpam-ldap entirely, and then reinstall |
| 14:46.43 | Titan8990 | greedo: yes |
| 14:46.46 | niklaswe | if i boot from usbstick and only have 64-bit system on the usbstick how can i boot my own kernel some i have on my disk... |
| 14:46.54 | gnat_x | rvalles: interesting, i'll have to read up on that... thanks for the tip. |
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| 14:47.14 | greedo | hopefully that won't kill my ssh session |
| 14:47.25 | greedo | but I'm already root |
| 14:47.46 | rvalles | gnat_x: 10% or whatever % |
| 14:47.51 | Titan8990 | greedo: it should not effect existing sessions but will prevent new sessions in pam needs ldap to auth users |
| 14:47.58 | Titan8990 | s/in/if |
| 14:48.01 | rvalles | my athlon@600 had 15 or 20 values. |
| 14:48.08 | rvalles | between 0 and 99% |
| 14:48.14 | rvalles | good luck there |
| 14:48.16 | rvalles | goes take a nap |
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| 14:51.00 | greedo | Titan8990: ok, I'm having trouble removing libpam-ldap |
| 14:51.25 | emerica | is there a fs without much trouble that i can create > 16TB? |
| 14:51.29 | greedo | i tried aptitude remove libpam-ldap |
| 14:52.22 | Titan8990 | greedo: pastebin |
| 14:52.49 | Titan8990 | emerica: XFS |
| 14:52.53 | emerica | ty |
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| 14:53.32 | greedo | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/Vr834zf2 |
| 14:54.21 | Titan8990 | greedo: you sure are missing a lot of files... |
| 14:55.15 | greedo | yeah, looks like lib-ldap.postinst |
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| 14:55.33 | greedo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.53 | Titan8990 | greedo: those are the post install and pre removal scripts, they are there |
| 14:56.11 | Titan8990 | greedo: but one calls pam-auth-update which is not |
| 14:56.11 | greedo | but I should be able to just remove libpam-ldap? |
| 14:56.25 | greedo | ah, yes |
| 14:56.47 | Titan8990 | greedo: is that currently the etch version of libpam-ldap? |
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| 14:57.29 | aguitel | if i type aptitude keep-all ,how undo this action? |
| 14:57.42 | Titan8990 | aguitel: you can't AFAIK |
| 14:57.54 | greedo | Titan8990: guess I could use apt-cache to find that out |
| 14:58.10 | Titan8990 | greedo: apt-cache policy, looks like its going to be from squeeze/sid |
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| 14:58.35 | aguitel | Titan8990, what |
| 14:59.11 | greedo | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/GgCnM8td |
| 14:59.35 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libpam-ldap |
| 14:59.37 | judd | libpam-ldap -- etch: 180-1.7; lenny: 184-4.2; sid: 184-8.3; squeeze: 184-8.3 |
| 14:59.53 | Titan8990 | greedo: its from squeeze/sid |
| 15:00.19 | greedo | need to reinstall that too |
| 15:00.44 | Titan8990 | judd: versions pam-auth-update |
| 15:00.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pam-auth-update' was found. |
| 15:01.00 | Titan8990 | judd: versions libpam-runtime |
| 15:01.02 | judd | libpam-runtime -- etch: 0.79-5+etch1; lenny: 1.0.1-5+lenny1; sid: 1.1.1-1; sid: 1.1.1-2; squeeze: 1.1.1-2 |
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| 15:02.05 | Titan8990 | greedo: the removal of that package expects the file /usr/sbin/pam-auth-update from the libpam-runtime package to exist |
| 15:02.14 | Titan8990 | greedo: your really in a mess here |
| 15:02.34 | greedo | yeah, no kiding |
| 15:02.36 | Titan8990 | greedo: also, that file will only exist int he sid and squeeze versions |
| 15:02.44 | greedo | hmm |
| 15:03.16 | Titan8990 | what is the function of this machine? |
| 15:04.22 | greedo | Titan8990: it's a vm machine, that is open through our firewall |
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| 15:04.51 | greedo | Titan8990: it is mostly used for general purpose computing |
| 15:05.52 | Titan8990 | greedo: what is stopping you from restoring the data onto a fresh setup? |
| 15:06.28 | greedo | Titan8990: I suppose it could be planned, just need to ask the boss |
| 15:06.35 | niklaswe | if i will boot debian from usbstick can i do like this.. dd if=/debian.iso of=/dev/usbstick ? |
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| 15:06.52 | Titan8990 | greedo: well, you need to tell him that box is screwed |
| 15:07.05 | Titan8990 | niklaswe: no |
| 15:07.10 | greedo | Titan8990: would you say it's beyond repair at this point? |
| 15:07.11 | Titan8990 | !usb install |
| 15:07.12 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 15:07.35 | Titan8990 | greedo: its beyond worth being repaired |
| 15:07.59 | Titan8990 | greedo: especially when you can likely have a new system up in an hour, and then however long it takes to restore the backup |
| 15:08.37 | greedo | Titan8990: that might be a much better solution, thanks for all your help |
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| 15:12.55 | Titan8990 | greedo: anytime |
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| 15:16.10 | denisesball | hey all, i need some help with loading a particular RAID controller on boot. the module loads fine when running, but on boot it just hangs and hangs "waiting for root filesystem" |
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| 15:17.36 | npoektop | how to turn the fan on on laptop? |
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| 15:20.13 | micols | how do you drop all level 7 (debug) log messages from dmesg (using rsyslogd) ?, tried dmesg -n without luck |
| 15:20.28 | micols | denisesball: which controller? |
| 15:20.52 | denisesball | micols: its a highpoint 2210 using their driver source |
| 15:20.52 | micols | you need your controller in kernel/initramfs, and filesystem, and append root=/dev/sda1 i.e. |
| 15:21.04 | denisesball | ive got it working before, but for some reason im missing something |
| 15:21.06 | denisesball | this time |
| 15:21.26 | micols | kernel needs to know correct root fs by an appened root= line, so append root=/your/root/partition (which has to work i.e. driver loaded and fs loaded) |
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| 15:21.54 | micols | put everything in your initramfs is my suggestion, perhaps make it yourself if mkinitramfs fails |
| 15:22.37 | denisesball | micols: right. well if i boot into a slightly different kernel the root=sda2 line is fine. when i boot into the other kernel with the driver source compiled in it hangs there and eventually says "cannot find /dev/sda2". i can see it detecting the right drive (sda) but it says unknown partition table |
| 15:22.47 | micols | make sure mkinitramfs (-v i think) lists your raid controller driver module |
| 15:22.51 | micols | when building initramfs |
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| 15:23.03 | micols | is it initramfs kernel, or custom withotu? |
| 15:23.23 | denisesball | i tried making the initramfs, no help |
| 15:23.47 | denisesball | Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/rr2310_00/rr2310_00.ko |
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| 15:23.52 | denisesball | that should be it, the one i made |
| 15:24.01 | denisesball | (thats from the -v with mkinitramfs) |
| 15:24.02 | micols | if it detects the drive you probably need your filesystem loaded, do you have ext3 or whatever in the new initramfs? |
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| 15:24.25 | denisesball | oh yeah |
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| 15:24.33 | denisesball | i dont think that could be it |
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| 15:24.54 | thrashold | judd: versions kdelibs-bin |
| 15:24.56 | judd | kdelibs-bin -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:4.1.0-3+lenny1; sid: 4:4.3.4-3; squeeze: 4:4.3.4-3; experimental: 4:4.4.1-1 |
| 15:25.01 | micols | most likely your controller driver not being loaded |
| 15:25.18 | micols | even though it has put it in, i would try creating initramfs/initrd manually |
| 15:25.23 | denisesball | i can actually watch it trying to load it though if i remove the quiet line |
| 15:25.27 | micols | i had this problem lots of times, and that is what i did to fix it |
| 15:25.53 | denisesball | i think i tried that with this: mkinitramfs -v -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 15:25.54 | denisesball | right? |
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| 15:30.42 | npoektop | how to turn the fan on on toshiba laptop? |
| 15:31.00 | kc1di | hi all |
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| 15:32.39 | d3x | npoektop, try md5sum /dev/urandom |
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| 15:33.04 | npoektop | d3x, kidding? |
| 15:33.23 | d3x | npoektop, no |
| 15:33.33 | d3x | if it does not turn it on - it means something's wrong ;) |
| 15:33.40 | d3x | just don't let it go for a long time |
| 15:33.47 | d3x | it might burn your cpu |
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| 15:34.29 | fken | hello there. I got a trouble with a Qnap ts-219p server since i tried to install debian on it. I don't know whether someone here could help me or not but if there is an experimented people ready to help me here it would be wonderful (otherwise the new Qnap server would be dead) |
| 15:35.13 | npoektop | d3x, that's a problem, i want to check if it overheats and slows down because of fan not working |
| 15:35.50 | d3x | npoektop, so you want to turn the fan _off_, not _on_? |
| 15:36.04 | npoektop | on |
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| 15:37.54 | npoektop | i do echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state, it says it's on, but it's not on |
| 15:38.38 | Titan8990 | are you sure the fan isn't physically broken? |
| 15:39.05 | npoektop | i'm sure |
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| 15:44.05 | CQ | question... i have my timezone set correctly, but am two hours off... seems like the server thinks the local tiem is GMT time... how do I best fix tahtß |
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| 15:52.39 | cahoot | CQ: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 15:53.31 | Cain | Hi, I get errors when i try to list /usr/bin ? is there a way to fix it ? |
| 15:53.44 | CQ | cahoot: thanks, fixed it with ntpdate |
| 15:53.47 | cahoot | errors? |
| 15:53.59 | Cain | cahoot : like |
| 15:53.59 | Cain | ls: cannot access html2text: Permission denied |
| 15:53.59 | Cain | ls: cannot access telnet.netkit: Permission denied |
| 15:54.10 | cahoot | that info - not error |
| 15:54.31 | Cain | cahoot : ok, but why ? the filesystem is corrupt ? |
| 15:55.08 | valdyn | !permissions |
| 15:55.08 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 15:55.11 | valdyn | Cain: ^^ |
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| 15:56.29 | Cain | valdyn : thxn btw , i'm with root account when i try to list |
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| 15:56.51 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.57 | cahoot | err ls -ld |
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| 15:58.14 | Cain | cahoot : drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 14504 2010-03-28 15:53 /usr/bin/ |
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| 15:58.45 | eatnumber1 | Where can I find the squeeze floppy images? I can't find them on the mirrors |
| 15:59.14 | Titan8990 | floppy images? really? |
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| 15:59.25 | eatnumber1 | yep |
| 15:59.30 | eatnumber1 | trying to install on an old-world G3 |
| 16:00.59 | cahoot | Cain: and ls -la /usr/bin/html2text gives you peremission denied? |
| 16:01.00 | Titan8990 | eatnumber1: http://floppix.ccai.com/ |
| 16:01.11 | Titan8990 | eatnumber1: that is all I know about as far as debian floppies |
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| 16:01.35 | eatnumber1 | the install guide says there should be floppies on the mirrors |
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| 16:01.56 | Cain | cahoot : it tooks sometime before answering but yes permission denied, and it's not the only one |
| 16:02.09 | Titan8990 | eatnumber1: the install guide was written for the current release, not the future release |
| 16:02.27 | eatnumber1 | I can't find lenny floppy images either |
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| 16:02.58 | Titan8990 | !install guide |
| 16:02.59 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 16:03.00 | cahoot | Cain: same problem with other dirs? |
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| 16:03.44 | Titan8990 | eatnumber1: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch02s04.html.en where does it mention floppies? |
| 16:04.00 | mad_baz_ | are wireless mouses well supported ? |
| 16:04.29 | AimHere | Meeces generally work. |
| 16:04.33 | Cain | cahoot : /usr/sbin & /usr/share & /usr/local lists well |
| 16:05.01 | AimHere | The last wireless mouse I put in didn't work well, but that was more because of the shoddy radio receiver and not the fault of the software |
| 16:05.46 | cahoot | Cain: sorry this is beyond me |
| 16:06.03 | mad_baz_ | yeah AimHere ...i want a wireless mouse for my lappy ....didnt know if a certain product had better support |
| 16:06.23 | mad_baz_ | havent used wireless keyboard or mouse with linux |
| 16:06.40 | Cain | cahoot i was aware of the problem when logcheck start to complain about lockfile-progs even dpkg was unable to purge logchek and reinstall it :/ |
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| 16:06.47 | eatnumber1 | Titan8990: look at the powerpc install guide |
| 16:07.04 | Cain | cahoot : no problem :) |
| 16:07.10 | cahoot | Cain: checked dmesg for complaints? |
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| 16:07.14 | eatnumber1 | Titan8990: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s04.html.en#id2723661 |
| 16:07.20 | samael | hello |
| 16:07.39 | samael | is that normal to have postconf -m not to list "mysql" even with the postfix-mysql package installed on a debian lenny box? |
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| 16:11.01 | Cain | cahoot : well, dmesg is full of lines like those ==> http://pastebin.com/Z27hKEbT |
| 16:11.05 | tobago | i installed pure debian and xserver & xfce after that. without a dm/wm i want to start it by startx. but i'm only permitted to do so as root. how to startx as normal user? |
| 16:11.25 | Titan8990 | eatnumber1: looks like the guide needs to be updated. floppy images only appear for etch and earlier |
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| 16:12.03 | cahoot | Cain: I suppose your initial thought is warranted |
| 16:12.38 | Cain | cahoot : i guess i have no solution but reinstalling ? |
| 16:12.52 | eatnumber1 | so it seems |
| 16:13.41 | wols | Cain: the solution looks like a new disk |
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| 16:14.41 | Cain | wols : oh, the server was a new one, maybe 2 months age |
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| 16:15.44 | wols | it doesn't matter.Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed <- this harddisk is an ex-harddisk, it's gone home to its maker and is pining for the fjords |
| 16:15.48 | laurus | How do I save my cpufreq settings so they are loaded every time I boot up? |
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| 16:16.54 | cahoot | Cain: the positive aspect is the disk must have a valid warranty |
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| 16:17.15 | Titan8990 | tobago: there should be no permission requirements to startx. what happens when you try? |
| 16:17.38 | tobago | Titan8990, permission denied. |
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| 16:18.35 | tobago | Titan8990, i now will try that: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/zenwalk-75/cant-start-x-normal-user-after-reinstall-deleted-dot-files-dirs-788978/ |
| 16:18.35 | rgr | anyone know which package the apple 2 screensaver is in? Should I install the xscreensaver data to install extras for the gnome-screensaver? |
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| 16:18.50 | Cain | RIP poor 160GB Sata Disk then ^^^, thx guys |
| 16:18.52 | npoektop | ok, i found that my processor slowed down because of overheating. Is there any script or smth to turn fan on when cpu load is over 50 percent? |
| 16:19.03 | Titan8990 | tobago: no, don't |
| 16:19.20 | Titan8990 | tobago: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:19.31 | abrotman | npoektop: this is supposed to happen magically |
| 16:19.57 | tobago | Titan8990, lenny |
| 16:20.15 | Titan8990 | tobago: and you installed xfce4 using the debian packages? |
| 16:20.25 | wols | npoektop: why is it off in the first place? |
| 16:20.31 | tobago | Titan8990, yep |
| 16:20.41 | npoektop | wols, it's a laptop |
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| 16:20.43 | Titan8990 | tobago: did you alter or edit ~/.xinitrc for the user? |
| 16:20.50 | tobago | Titan8990, no |
| 16:21.03 | Titan8990 | tobago: startx | pastebinit; as the user |
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| 16:22.13 | tobago | Titan8990, what does pastebinit do? |
| 16:22.19 | Titan8990 | !pastebinit |
| 16:22.20 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 16:22.30 | tobago | alright |
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| 16:23.42 | npoektop | i had 256M built-in, and most load was on hdd. Now i have 1280M, and most load goes on cpu. I think bios didn't expect that. So i need to check if there is a heavy load and turn fan on. |
| 16:24.41 | wols | npoektop: what you say here is nonsense |
| 16:25.09 | Titan8990 | npoektop: its called ACPI and it is meant to happen automatically |
| 16:25.17 | Titan8990 | are you sure the fan physically works? |
| 16:25.20 | wols | npoektop: http://www.linux-laptop.net/toshiba.html |
| 16:25.59 | npoektop | i do not know why acpi does not turn fan on. Now i forced it on, and everything is ok. |
| 16:26.07 | jimcooncat | think it would not be fun to watch a thermometer and turn fans on and off by hand. We should get a robot to do that! |
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| 16:26.49 | Titan8990 | npoektop: disabling acpi althogether would likely cause the fan to run full-speed all the time |
| 16:27.22 | wols | and kill the battery in no time |
| 16:27.41 | npoektop | Titan8990, i can force it on with $ echo 1 > /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan |
| 16:27.44 | Titan8990 | yep |
| 16:27.52 | tobago | Titan8990, what is the url, the paste was sent to? |
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| 16:28.27 | Titan8990 | tobago: it should display it on your console |
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| 16:29.37 | d0uglas | would something like red5 coexist with my existing apache2 or would it be a full replacement? ... hi btw |
| 16:30.40 | tobago | Titan8990, can't see it. but i receive a locking authority file error of /home/tobago/.Xauthority |
| 16:30.52 | npoektop | no, really. I installed memtest86, and while testing memory processor slowed down. It worked 10 times slower than expected. Before slowdown memtest showed capacity: L1: 12Gb, L2: 6Gb. After slowdown: L1: 1Gb, L2: 580Mb Fans were not turned on automatically to prevent overheating. I do not know why. |
| 16:31.03 | wols | d0uglas: look at its dependencies and what it provides and you know |
| 16:31.18 | d0uglas | ok, thanks |
| 16:31.23 | Titan8990 | tobago: are you trying to run startx from ssh? what are the perms on that file? did you copy anything from root's home directory? |
| 16:32.24 | tobago | Titan8990, no. not on ssh. directly on that machine. i set the mers to tobago:tobago 755. and no i didn't copy anything. |
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| 16:32.33 | tobago | permis |
| 16:32.48 | Titan8990 | tobago: you should not have needed to set the permissions |
| 16:33.04 | Titan8990 | tobago: I have a feeling you have been mucking around and caused some problems |
| 16:33.17 | tobago | o.k. they have been root:root. that was curious to me, because it's in /home/tobago. |
| 16:33.23 | npoektop | wols, you say nonsense like you did not see any buggy hardware before, and did not use any ridiculous workarounds |
| 16:33.46 | Titan8990 | tobago: right, sounds like you have been copying stuff from roots homedir. delete that file |
| 16:34.00 | tobago | Titan8990, will do so. |
| 16:34.18 | tobago | then i try again as tobago |
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| 16:34.50 | fppasteau | hi |
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| 16:35.47 | fppasteau | in the debian security manual when setting read only flag for /usr, it say to put this in apt.conf : DPkg{Pre-Invoke { "mount /usr -o remount,rw" };Post-Invoke { "mount /usr -o remount,ro" };}; |
| 16:38.09 | Titan8990 | in theory the only time /usr needs to be written to is during package installation. |
| 16:38.20 | Titan8990 | tobago: well? |
| 16:38.49 | fppasteau | by default I don't have a apt.conf, but a directory apt.conf.d with conf files inside (70debconf for example) |
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| 16:39.35 | fppasteau | should I create a new conf file for those lines ? for the moment I put it in the 70debconf but it failed |
| 16:40.19 | Titan8990 | fppasteau: have a look through the apt.conf manpage |
| 16:40.30 | fppasteau | okay thx |
| 16:42.22 | tobago | Titan8990, didn't work either. now i'll search for a tutorial, how to set up pure debian and installing simple gnome windowmanager (without the whole browser and stuff). my aim was just to have a pure debian with just a wdm to be able to run a videoplayer. all the stuff of gnome/kde/xfce is not needed. i read about a wdm called awesome. is it a good one? |
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| 16:42.42 | tobago | remove the sentence with gnome... |
| 16:42.50 | abrotman | fppasteau: you can create a new file in that directory and call it whatever you want like 25mystuff |
| 16:43.05 | Titan8990 | tobago: if you like tiling display managers... but I don't see what you are saying about a "tutorial" |
| 16:43.26 | fppasteau | okay |
| 16:43.35 | Titan8990 | tobago: aptitude install xfce4 xserver-xorg; for example is enough for a user to be able to startx and it open the xfce DE |
| 16:43.51 | tobago | Titan8990, i'll search for a tutorial how to set up a pure debian with just a slim wdm. |
| 16:43.55 | Titan8990 | tobago: you are not lacking a tutorial, you have likely done something outside of the norm that is preventing things from working properly |
| 16:44.23 | jimcooncat | tobago, wdm was last updated on 3/26/05 according to their website. |
| 16:44.25 | Titan8990 | tobago: nothing is needed outside of installing the packages |
| 16:44.34 | tobago | Titan8990, maybe. but i also relaized, that xfce environment also install browser and stuff i don't need. |
| 16:44.44 | jimcooncat | tobago: I'd suggest going with something newer |
| 16:44.57 | tobago | jimcooncat, what do you think about awesome? |
| 16:45.01 | tobago | Awesome |
| 16:45.07 | Titan8990 | tobago: thats because it is the meta-package, I was just using an example |
| 16:45.16 | Titan8990 | tobago: install xorg + install wm/de = done |
| 16:45.30 | jimcooncat | tobago: Don't know, haven't tested the tiling wm's. I'm going to try xmonad first though. |
| 16:45.56 | tobago | Titan8990, what is de? |
| 16:45.56 | Titan8990 | tobago: if its your 2nd environment you may need update-alterantives --config x-window-manager, but the point is, nothing needs to be setup for your user to start an X session |
| 16:46.05 | Titan8990 | tobago: desktop environment |
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| 16:46.43 | tobago | Titan8990, which wm/de is advised? |
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| 16:47.21 | Titan8990 | tobago: whichever the user prefers. I use xfce4 |
| 16:47.32 | Titan8990 | the default DE for debian is gnome |
| 16:47.35 | tobago | Titan8990, this machine just should run a videplayer and beeing a webserver/ databaseserver |
| 16:47.59 | Titan8990 | tobago: you don't need X for that |
| 16:48.17 | tobago | Titan8990, to run a videoplayer i don't need X? |
| 16:48.18 | Titan8990 | IIRC, vlc has a cli that can stream video to another machine |
| 16:48.26 | Titan8990 | as well as mplayer |
| 16:48.49 | tobago | Titan8990, mmh. i don't want to stream to another machine. i want to put it out to a tv. |
| 16:51.56 | valdyn | tobago: you want to run mythtv |
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| 16:52.37 | tobago | valdyn, why? what does it have to do with a wm? |
| 16:52.52 | valdyn | tobago: tv doesnt need a wm at all |
| 16:53.33 | Titan8990 | he may not want all that. He may just want to use a tv as a monitor to a watch a video, not so much setup a HTPC |
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| 16:54.11 | valdyn | if we really knew what he wants.... |
| 16:54.31 | tobago | valdyn, mythtv can play music as well... |
| 16:54.39 | valdyn | tobago: so? |
| 16:54.52 | tobago | valdyn, maybe i should read more about it. |
| 16:54.53 | Titan8990 | so can pretty much every video play I can think of |
| 16:55.35 | valdyn | tobago: mythtv is for a media only box. If you want to use that computer for other things too then its probably the wrong choice |
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| 16:56.15 | tobago | valdyn, well, i want to run multimedia stuff and a webserver/ database on that machine. |
| 16:56.53 | valdyn | tazle: that mythv + backend things that dont have a gui at all, that works.. |
| 16:57.09 | tobago | valdyn, mean me? |
| 16:57.16 | valdyn | tobago: yes |
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| 16:58.38 | tobago | valdyn, yes, if i could run the multimedia without a gui, then i wouldn't need a wm and maybe could run the services (fileserver, databaseserver and stuff) without the overhead of a wm. |
| 16:58.57 | valdyn | tobago: no one said anything about multimedia without a gui |
| 16:59.00 | tobago | all i need is ssh and vim. |
| 16:59.02 | jimcooncat | tobago: screen might be a good compromise |
| 16:59.19 | valdyn | tobago: mythv has its own GUI |
| 16:59.34 | tobago | valdyn, yep. sorry, that's what i meant |
| 16:59.35 | valdyn | tobago: and its all fullscreen anyway - hence you dont get to pick a wm |
| 16:59.54 | tobago | valdyn, i'll give it a shot. sounds perfectly. |
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| 17:00.56 | tobago | valdyn, are you using mythtv? |
| 17:01.22 | molgrum | all my apps that depend on OpenAL segfaults, updated debian squeeze yesterday |
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| 17:03.10 | qbwdp | i have a few strange questions, i have two drives that show up as sda and sdb, i did md0 and install lenny on md0, now i'm testing to see if the machine will boot with just one drive in. it does not, i have to have both in for it to find the boot sector. at the end of the install it said the boot sector went to hd0, my question is , can i dd the boot sector on to sda or sdb, or how do i find out which drive has the boot sector? |
| 17:04.41 | tobago | valdyn, it's a pity, that it uses mysql as dms (coz i prefer postgres)... but anyway. then i'll have 2 dms. |
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| 17:05.48 | regtech | hi guys |
| 17:06.39 | wols | qbwdp: sda should be the one which has grub installed. you can check by reading the first sector and compare. however it's not just the first sector but the first 63 or so |
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| 17:07.17 | regtech | I recently lost the ability to boot my root filesystem, i boot a rescue CD and copied the root partition using dd, i was then able to mount the image and copy the files to a new partition, it works, only I have no idea why! Can anyone shed some light on how making a copy of the partition enables it to mount? |
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| 17:07.58 | wols | you have no idea about what exactly? |
| 17:08.12 | regtech | the last part |
| 17:08.21 | qbwdp | wols: i did dd on bs=512 on both sda and sdb, so i have the boot sectors of both drives, i did a diff and they are different, am i looking for the word grud with strings? |
| 17:08.22 | wols | mounting and being able to boot frm something are different things |
| 17:08.24 | regtech | if i cant mount the original, why can i mount a dd copy? |
| 17:08.25 | qbwdp | grub |
| 17:08.37 | wols | qbwdp: yes |
| 17:08.38 | regtech | forget the boot part. |
| 17:08.48 | regtech | i couldnt mount that partition until i copied it. |
| 17:08.55 | qbwdp | wols: nice, thanx |
| 17:09.16 | wols | regtech: you are not clear what you did and your question doesn't make much sense as it is right now imho |
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| 17:09.42 | qbwdp | wols: you remember which package has strings? |
| 17:09.47 | wols | generally, a partition on its own is never bootable. the bootloaderboots it and that is outside of a partition |
| 17:10.06 | regtech | wols: I told you what I did, I copied my root fs using dd to an image, then mounted the image file and copied the files to a new disk and booted. |
| 17:10.17 | wols | qbwdp: strings should be part of every debian install. as should grep |
| 17:10.28 | wols | regtech: wrong |
| 17:10.35 | wols | regtech: no bootloader = no boot |
| 17:10.43 | regtech | wols: forget the boot |
| 17:11.00 | wols | if you don't come clear, I forget you. easier all around |
| 17:11.01 | regtech | i could not mount /dev/sda1, but when i copied it, i was then able to |
| 17:11.05 | regtech | explain please! |
| 17:11.18 | wols | not mount WHY? errormessages are important |
| 17:11.23 | regtech | i was using a live cd, so no need to use the bootloader. |
| 17:11.32 | regtech | the error message, wrong FS |
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| 17:12.34 | wols | regtech: where did you see that error message exactly and what did it exactly say? |
| 17:12.57 | regtech | i will do it now as im running from external copy of the internal disk. |
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| 17:16.15 | regtech | i have created a new fs now, its the error you get if you try to mount a encrypted partition without first creating the /dev/mapper entry. |
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| 17:19.10 | ajay | hi |
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| 17:19.51 | ajay | i have browsed thru the debian site and tried to download amd64 version of linux but it showing 5 parts should i download all of them |
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| 17:20.08 | npoektop | why sometimes it doesn't switch to x11 after acpi resume and how to fix it? |
| 17:20.33 | Titan8990 | ajay: you only need the single netinst cd, otherwise only cd1 |
| 17:20.43 | fppasteau | for my partition I got /boot and / in ext2 and other in JFS does it seems okay ? |
| 17:20.45 | SerajewelKS | ajay: you technically only need the first disc to install. if you have a network connection on the box you are installing to then you can install the other software later. |
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| 17:21.38 | fppasteau | I was using ext3 instead of JFS but a friend told me its better cause it can stop journalisation if need |
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| 17:22.14 | Titan8990 | fppasteau: why would that be needed? |
| 17:22.16 | wols | fppasteau: no. if in doubt, use ext3. and you don't want to use ext2 anymore at all |
| 17:22.20 | regtech | what are the default options for dd? |
| 17:22.46 | Titan8990 | wols: I still use ext2 for my boot volumes |
| 17:23.14 | wols | Titan8990: why? the journal diskspace so precious? |
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| 17:23.40 | Titan8990 | wols: orginally, yes. habit after that |
| 17:23.44 | fppasteau | Titan8990, If I just don't need it on few partition |
| 17:23.52 | JyZyXEL | im excited about btrfs |
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| 17:24.10 | Titan8990 | fppasteau: then you would use ext2 instead of ext3, but why wouldn't you want it? |
| 17:24.13 | JyZyXEL | its got some really cool features |
| 17:24.39 | fppasteau | I don't really use it |
| 17:24.56 | SerajewelKS | fppasteau: do you understand what the journal is for? |
| 17:25.06 | Titan8990 | you say that now... until a power failure toasts your data |
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| 17:25.24 | fppasteau | SerajewelKS, in fact not really, recovery process ? |
| 17:25.44 | SerajewelKS | fppasteau: so if you don't understand what it does, how are you deciding whether or not you need it? |
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| 17:26.03 | fppasteau | yeah but in 9 years it never happen |
| 17:26.27 | Titan8990 | fppasteau: if only IT could live by that.... |
| 17:26.56 | wols | everyone stop using journalling filesystems! in 9 years it never happen! |
| 17:26.58 | SerajewelKS | fppasteau: so if you don't have a fire in a building for 9 years, you might as well remove all the smoke detectors and fire extiguishers, right? |
| 17:27.05 | Titan8990 | haven't mad a break-in in 9years, why do we need encryption on our wireless? |
| 17:27.13 | fppasteau | SerajewelKS, okay okay :) |
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| 17:27.47 | fppasteau | so I do full JFS, still less lose in journalisationn data |
| 17:28.20 | fppasteau | and i could stop journalisation on boot |
| 17:28.28 | justin | journaling. |
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| 17:28.33 | SerajewelKS | why would you want to stop journaling? |
| 17:28.37 | Titan8990 | !filesystem |
| 17:28.37 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:28.42 | SerajewelKS | fppasteau: journaling only works if you are actually using it |
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| 17:29.22 | JyZyXEL | "probably reliable" |
| 17:29.26 | Titan8990 | !start a filesystem war |
| 17:29.27 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 17:29.27 | JyZyXEL | sounds very reliable |
| 17:29.31 | SerajewelKS | fppasteau: you do not want to disable journaling. ever. |
| 17:29.43 | Titan8990 | !factinfo filesystem |
| 17:29.43 | dpkg | filesystem -- last modified at Tue Jan 15 01:12:24 2008 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@203-217-90-227.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 23 times, last by Titan8990, 1m 6s ago. |
| 17:30.06 | fppasteau | okay soo .. full ext3 |
| 17:30.16 | SerajewelKS | fppasteau: yes, that's probably the sanest choice |
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| 17:33.29 | AliceMargatroid | !start a file editor war |
| 17:33.36 | AliceMargatroid | :( |
| 17:33.44 | Titan8990 | !start an editor war |
| 17:33.45 | dpkg | ae is known to repel members of your preferred sex. |
| 17:34.20 | Titan8990 | !qotd0 |
| 17:34.20 | dpkg | <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck |
| 17:34.30 | AliceMargatroid | !start an operating system war |
| 17:34.36 | AliceMargatroid | I hate you, dpkg |
| 17:34.46 | Titan8990 | !start a distro war |
| 17:34.46 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 17:35.19 | jimcooncat | that's not a distro war! I bet you say the same thing everytime dpkg |
| 17:35.28 | AliceMargatroid | slaps dpkg |
| 17:35.30 | AliceMargatroid | This is #debian |
| 17:35.33 | AliceMargatroid | Try harder |
| 17:36.54 | Titan8990 | !start a distro war |
| 17:36.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 17:36.59 | Titan8990 | there we go |
| 17:37.08 | JyZyXEL | haha |
| 17:37.11 | JyZyXEL | that one is great |
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| 17:42.02 | Digdilem | lol |
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| 17:42.49 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:43.33 | JyZyXEL | bwahahaha sounds pretty evil |
| 17:43.37 | dustybin | !yum |
| 17:43.37 | dpkg | from memory, yum is "Yellow dog Updater, Modified". Somewhat like <APT> for RPM-based systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur in order to safely install, remove, and update RPM packages. Packaged for Debian. http://yum.baseurl.org/ #yum on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:43.43 | danners | hi, i have a thinkpad t400 and the mute button works, but i want it to behave more 'hardware like': when using the mouse for clicking or in scale from compiz i cannot use it. i want it to behave like fn+brightness can i do that? |
| 17:43.44 | abrotman | dustybin: msg the bot |
| 17:44.53 | SerajewelKS | danners: i can't parse anything after "hardware like" |
| 17:45.49 | danners | SerajewelKS: undestanding or encoding ? |
| 17:46.32 | SerajewelKS | danners: i can't parse the english |
| 17:47.01 | SerajewelKS | danners: (e.g. i don't understand what "the mouse for clicking" has to do with your mute button) |
| 17:47.58 | danners | SerajewelKS: the button doesn't work if i click with the mouse or do scale with the compiz plugin... |
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| 17:48.35 | danners | SerajewelKS: everything windowmanagement related stuff seems to block the mute button |
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| 17:54.25 | emiliano_ | ciao |
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| 17:54.36 | emiliano_ | !LIST |
| 17:54.36 | dpkg | emiliano_: VATTENE VIA |
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| 17:59.29 | rdg | will the debian installer resize NTFS? |
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| 18:00.53 | SerajewelKS | rdg: i don't think the installer's partitioner can resize anything, but i might be wrong |
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| 18:04.40 | rgr | how can I reset my gnome-screensaver so its NOT an opengl one? ogl is once again causing my machine to hang - even the small preview when I try to open the screen saver settings. Just purge then reinstall? |
| 18:05.24 | SerajewelKS | rgr: you can probably do this with gconf-editor |
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| 18:07.44 | rgr | aha yes. thanks. |
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| 18:09.14 | alexmk | HI people |
| 18:09.29 | qbwdp | allo |
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| 18:10.05 | alexmk | Do I need more then DVD Nr1 to have a debian system running? |
| 18:10.50 | alexmk | I'm downloading that image now to check compatibility for a new PC of a client |
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| 18:11.03 | alexmk | they asked for debian |
| 18:11.08 | jhutchins | alexmk: A live CD would probably be better. |
| 18:11.29 | qbwdp | go with netinstall |
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| 18:11.39 | jhutchins | alexmk: CD1 is adequate for a base system, I believe that the other CD's are mostly i18n. |
| 18:11.43 | Titan8990 | alexmk: you do not need any of the dvds. like jhutchins said, a livecd for testing (*not* installation) or the netinst cd |
| 18:12.06 | wols | and since it's a new PC, use a newer kernel than the normal lenny 5.0.4 one |
| 18:12.15 | jhutchins | Titan8990: I wonder if we need some text to that effect on the mirror page, it seems to be a FAQ. |
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| 18:12.41 | alexmk | hehe, when I said testing, I also meant installing it to Hard Drive ;) |
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| 18:12.56 | rzeka | Is this possible to run private LAN dns server at debian? I'd like to run domains like "myweb1.myhost" "myweb2.myhost" at lan. I don't have to register those domains etc, those would be used @ lan only |
| 18:13.12 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: its likely more of a new to linux thing than a new to debian IMO |
| 18:13.19 | wols | rzeka: of course it is. you could use dnsmasq for this |
| 18:13.22 | CalebRipley | alexmk, but for answering your special question: yes! You are able to install debian with the DVD #1. |
| 18:13.26 | Asen-Ger | etc-update |
| 18:13.27 | rdg | rzeka: a cheaper hack would be to edit /etc/hosts on your machines |
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| 18:13.56 | rzeka | ah. dnsmasq. I was thinking about bind. I just don't want to edit C:/.../drivers/etc/hosts on each pc @ lan :) |
| 18:14.04 | Titan8990 | rdg: I wouldn't call that a hack... an older way of doing things |
| 18:14.13 | Titan8990 | rzeka: you can use BIND for that |
| 18:14.24 | wols | Titan8990: but who in his right mind would? |
| 18:14.31 | rzeka | rdg, let's say I have many pcs at lan. What now? Should I run to each and work with that? |
| 18:14.34 | alexmk | CalebRipley: do you know what's included in that DVD? Desktop managers? Admin tools? |
| 18:14.46 | Titan8990 | wols: hosts files or a BIND server at the house? ... I have done both |
| 18:15.12 | Titan8990 | wols: currently with my own bind server. also, my work has done both. Some of our machines still use hosts files which I have to maintain by hand |
| 18:15.13 | wols | I don't see the point of bind at home. not when easier ways to accomplish the same exist |
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| 18:15.37 | Titan8990 | wols: those easier ways require "chatty" protocols |
| 18:15.49 | wols | it's the same with sendmail: yes there are scenarios when you want it. but 99% of times you'd be insane |
| 18:15.49 | CalebRipley | alexmk, yes. But is the PC linked with the internet? |
| 18:16.04 | jimcooncat | might I suggest dnsmasq as a simpler alternative to BIND? |
| 18:16.14 | wols | Titan8990: huh? there are many lightweight, easier to config, dns serves. see dnsmasq |
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| 18:16.19 | jhutchins | rzeka: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 18:16.27 | alexmk | CalebRipley: I believe it will, why? |
| 18:16.52 | wols | !cd content |
| 18:16.52 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 18:17.41 | Titan8990 | wols: I also have my own snort box (not finished). do I need it? no... but I still get enjoyment out of setting these things up |
| 18:17.42 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: I don't think dnsmasq allows for it to be an authoritative nameserver for the domain in his LAN |
| 18:17.42 | alexmk | ah, sweet |
| 18:17.42 | Titan8990 | wols: but doesn't dnsmasq only forward? |
| 18:17.42 | Titan8990 | wols: a remote DNS server is not going to know about my private domains and private addresses |
| 18:17.43 | jhutchins | Learning bind is not a bad idea if you're going to be working with networking. |
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| 18:17.53 | alexmk | wols: cool |
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| 18:17.58 | CalebRipley | alexmk, because if anything is left for you. Then you are able to install aditional packages via internet. |
| 18:18.15 | rubin110 | How can I get SETENV working in sudoers? |
| 18:18.19 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: I don't know, but it would violate djb's rules about it |
| 18:18.22 | Titan8990 | I killed 3 birds with one stone. I learned xen, kickstart, and BIND as I did a fully-automated install on a domU for BIND |
| 18:18.25 | wols | Titan8990: easy. write it in the hosts file of the server running dnsmasq and you are done |
| 18:18.47 | sponzor | how to change mail users passwords? |
| 18:18.55 | wols | Titan8990: all the benefits of central DNS (integrated with DHCP too), no hassle of bind and zonefiles |
| 18:19.04 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: I mean djb's rules regarding a caching dns program being authoritative |
| 18:19.07 | wols | sponzor: depends how you auth them |
| 18:19.55 | Titan8990 | jimcooncat: BIND 9 allows for different "views", that isolate BIND's functionality. you would have a seperate view for forwarding/caching than you would for authoratative ns |
| 18:19.57 | niklaswe | !backports |
| 18:19.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:20.20 | sponzor | i dont know.. becose the admin is sick and we nead to change all the passwords for mail users... :P |
| 18:20.35 | wols | sponzor: then ask the admin how he auths them |
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| 18:20.37 | jimcooncat | Titan8990: That's good to know. I'm going to be setting up something for my own LAN soon. |
| 18:20.43 | niklaswe | !backports pidgin |
| 18:20.45 | Titan8990 | wols: yes, I can see how that would work for most people... but it didn't teach me how to setup and administer BIND, therefore it is worthless to me :p |
| 18:20.49 | sponzor | we cant get him. how to check this auths? |
| 18:20.57 | Titan8990 | s/didn't/wouldn't |
| 18:21.26 | wols | Titan8990: ok, that's true. but you're no so cruel to tell people to install bind, right? that would take that bofh thing a bit too far... |
| 18:21.41 | nkuttler | sponzor: well, check which imapd/pop3d is running and then read it's documentation |
| 18:21.42 | wols | sponzor: by checking the mail server config |
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| 18:21.56 | sponzor | ok |
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| 18:22.44 | Titan8990 | wols: well, I hadn't though of it as cruel... I found it to be an enjoyable weekend |
| 18:23.28 | qbwdp | dovecot? |
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| 18:24.03 | wols | Titan8990: your masochism is your private affair. I meant inflicting it onto others :) |
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| 18:24.09 | SerajewelKS | i learned bind once and found it far from enjoyable. it's up there with sendmail. |
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| 18:27.08 | spectre- | hey |
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| 18:27.32 | spectre- | how would i go about getting some APNs added to the mobile connection manager |
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| 18:27.47 | spectre- | for the country i'm in |
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| 18:31.07 | seyfarth | how can I not have ifconfig? |
| 18:31.33 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: my bad experience was with qmail... makes sendmail look very user friendly IMO |
| 18:31.35 | wols | ifconfig spam? wow, new lows |
| 18:31.52 | wols | oh yes, when you have to have a new init system just for the shit |
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| 18:32.17 | spectre- | as in, i want to submit other carriers APNs so that people here can use mobile devices in this country without manually adding them |
| 18:32.26 | Titan8990 | wols: what do you mean? |
| 18:32.27 | spectre- | right now it only lists 1 |
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| 18:33.25 | wols | Titan8990: this daemon-tools thing qmail insisted on |
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| 18:34.00 | Titan8990 | wols: ah, yes. It also didn't help that I was setting it up in gentoo |
| 18:34.38 | SerajewelKS | spectre-: you should probably submit a patch against the package that provides the configuration in question. talk to the package maintainer. |
| 18:35.05 | spectre- | aight, will look into that |
| 18:35.09 | spectre- | thanks |
| 18:35.21 | spectre- | for the direction |
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| 18:36.48 | SerajewelKS | spectre-: np |
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| 18:37.29 | regtech | im getting this error when trying to mount my ssd drive. |
| 18:37.30 | regtech | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1 |
| 18:38.28 | kombucha | Installing git on D 5.0.4, aptitude tells me it wants to remove linux-kernel-headers... |
| 18:38.41 | kombucha | I'm not sure why this is |
| 18:38.46 | Titan8990 | kombucha: pastebin |
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| 18:40.04 | kombucha | http://noodles.pastebin.com/q9KQF15C |
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| 18:40.54 | Titan8990 | kombucha: thats a nasty pastebin to only have that little question about |
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| 18:41.10 | Titan8990 | kombucha: is this in the middle of a etch->lenny upgrade or one that was botched previously? |
| 18:41.16 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: it looks like you are trying to install git built against a newer libc6 |
| 18:41.40 | Titan8990 | SerajewelKS: he also has libc6 from lenny and libc6-dev from etch |
| 18:41.45 | kombucha | Titan8990: you mean all the packages kept back? |
| 18:41.57 | SerajewelKS | Titan8990: ah, fantastic |
| 18:42.07 | Titan8990 | kombucha: you have kept-back, conflicts, failed depends |
| 18:42.11 | kombucha | SerajewelKS: so will the first solution work? and also I don't understand why it would remove kernel headers, not upgrade them |
| 18:42.19 | kombucha | oh great |
| 18:42.30 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: how about you finish your upgrade and *then* install git :) |
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| 18:42.36 | kombucha | aha! |
| 18:42.37 | Titan8990 | kombucha: generally, you never want to select a solution with a negative score |
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| 18:43.24 | kombucha | #apititude upgrade: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 951 not upgraded. |
| 18:43.42 | Titan8990 | judd: versions linux-kernel-headers |
| 18:43.43 | judd | linux-kernel-headers -- etch: 2.6.18-7 |
| 18:43.56 | Titan8990 | kombucha: it wants to remove that package becuase it only exists in etch |
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| 18:44.09 | Titan8990 | kombucha: you need to do aptitude full-upgrade |
| 18:44.14 | kombucha | Titan8990: that's the answer I was really looking for |
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| 18:44.37 | Titan8990 | kombucha: but you appear to be asking the wrong questions |
| 18:44.38 | kombucha | Titan8990: I was really wanting to see if linux-kernel-headers package was deprecated since I did my last upgrade |
| 18:44.49 | Titan8990 | kombucha: yes, it is |
| 18:45.36 | kombucha | Titan8990: # aptitude full-upgrade: Unknown command "full-upgrade" |
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| 18:46.14 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: try dist-upgrade |
| 18:46.24 | kombucha | tried that |
| 18:46.29 | kombucha | nothing to upgrade |
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| 18:46.39 | SerajewelKS | then something is fubared |
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| 18:47.14 | kombucha | this may be the problem: The following packages are BROKEN: dlocate ghostscript jikes-sun libgfortran1 libsasl2 libssp0 libtomcat4-java mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 18:47.54 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: try "aptitude -f install" |
| 18:48.04 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: that should suggest a solution to the broken packages |
| 18:48.53 | kombucha | it wants to keep licurses5 and upgrade binutils, libc6-dev and locales, score is -616! |
| 18:49.32 | SerajewelKS | if those are the only things it wants to upgrade then that should be safe... |
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| 18:49.35 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 18:49.39 | kombucha | this is the first I've seen dependency issues or broken packages on this box |
| 18:49.48 | SerajewelKS | kombucha: i think libcurses5 was replaced by libncurses5 |
| 18:49.51 | metalfan_ | myuser - nice -10 wenn das in /etc/security/limits.conf steht. warum kann ich dann keine programme als myuser mit "nice -n -10 myprogram" starten? keine berechtigung kommt dann |
| 18:50.00 | metalfan_ | ups, sry |
| 18:50.10 | kombucha | that was me I mistyped that should be libncurses5 |
| 18:50.30 | metalfan_ | myuser - nice -10 - if thats appended to /etc/security/limits.conf - why cant i start a program with "nice -n -10 myprog" as myuser? |
| 18:51.07 | kombucha | hmm, Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-21lenny3 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
| 18:51.55 | kombucha | except that I can clearly telnet to 80 on that IP |
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| 18:54.58 | Titan8990 | kombucha: 404 not found is not a connection issue |
| 18:55.07 | Titan8990 | kombucha: its "this file does not exist" issue |
| 18:55.13 | Titan8990 | judd: versions linux-libc-dev |
| 18:55.14 | judd | linux-libc-dev -- etch-backports: 2.6.26-21~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.6.26-21; lenny-security: 2.6.26-21lenny4; squeeze-security: 2.6.30-8squeeze1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-9~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32-9; sid: 2.6.32-10; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.4 |
| 18:55.33 | Titan8990 | kombucha: aptitude update; it should be fetching lenny4 |
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| 18:56.15 | kombucha | Titan8990: thanks that is exactly what I did to get it working, although I do not know with any detail why this is so |
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| 18:57.59 | Titan8990 | kombucha: it had been a while since you had run aptitude update, so it thought the correct file was lenny3, but it is lenny4. when they uploaded lenny4, 3 would have been removed from the repos entirely |
| 18:58.13 | smhar | I have a small home network with a switch/modem and all computers are connected to it through ethernet. how can I disable one computer -temporary- from using the internet through that gateway but still be connected to the LAN, to test a usb modem, while allowing the others to still use the internet. |
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| 18:58.21 | Titan8990 | kompulsive:is this a production machine? |
| 18:58.31 | kombucha | kompulsive: ? |
| 18:58.45 | Titan8990 | kombucha: thats for you, tab completion fail |
| 18:58.50 | kombucha | if you were asking me, then no absolutely not a production machine |
| 18:58.56 | Titan8990 | smhar: is your network gateway a debian box? |
| 18:58.58 | killahop | Hi |
| 18:59.04 | kombucha | well, we do run a wiki off it, but its basically a dev box |
| 18:59.31 | Titan8990 | kombucha: is it primarily a linux shop? |
| 18:59.41 | kombucha | 50/50 mac/debian |
| 18:59.56 | kombucha | well some Solaris and Ubuntu |
| 19:00.07 | kombucha | but mainly OSX/Lenny |
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| 19:01.33 | Titan8990 | kombucha: are you the debian admin? |
| 19:01.45 | kombucha | We do not have a Debian admin |
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| 19:03.21 | smhar | Titan8990, no, it is a tilgin router/modem |
| 19:03.31 | smhar | Titan8990, with webinterface |
| 19:03.34 | SerajewelKS | smhar: is the usb modem attached to the gateway or to the computer? |
| 19:03.56 | Titan8990 | sends resume to manhatten neighborhood network |
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| 19:04.19 | kombucha | Titan8990: lol, will you accept payment in old vhs tapes? |
| 19:04.30 | smhar | SerajewelKS, I want to disconnect only one computer from the internet -coming from the gateway- so I can connect a hauwei to that computer and test it |
| 19:04.46 | Titan8990 | smhar: well, you have two options. You can setup an access control policy in your network gateway that disallows internet access for that box, OR you can simply remove the route to gateway for that box |
| 19:04.58 | SerajewelKS | smhar: all you have to do is redirect the default route on that computer to go out the modem |
| 19:05.09 | kombucha | Titan8990: They've already "right-sized" positions like that away |
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| 19:06.03 | Titan8990 | kombucha: that is unfortunate |
| 19:06.12 | metalfan_ | ok, it works for the group |
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| 19:07.29 | niklaswe | hmm is it someone more some got problem with X.. for me X just bin like blankscreen.. |
| 19:08.58 | niklaswe | i must reboot the computer.. if i only kill X an start it again itś blackscreen.. |
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| 19:10.36 | kombucha | Titan8990: Nevertheless, I do have a streaming video server here I am hoping to use to stream DebConf10 live |
| 19:10.51 | smhar | Titan8990, SerajewelKS, sounds very simple :-) but how? |
| 19:11.08 | cahoot | niklaswe: what videocard/driver? |
| 19:11.43 | Titan8990 | smhar: using the route command |
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| 19:12.20 | Stathol | Hmmm. Out of curiosity, why is there no netboot/xen image for the 64-bit versions of Lenny? (only i386) |
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| 19:17.25 | Da_Wrecka | yes! At bloody last! I have an ext3 logical drive I can access from both Windows and, of course, Debian. I was very, very close to saying "Oh fuck this noise" and just reformatting the thing as FAT32 or NTFS. |
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| 19:20.02 | SerajewelKS | smhar: that depends on what OS this computer is running. if it's debian then you can "route del 0.0.0.0" to destroy the default route. |
| 19:20.09 | SerajewelKS | smhar: then add a route going out the gateway |
| 19:21.04 | smhar | SerajewelKS, of course it is debian :-) in fact it is squeeze, |
| 19:21.41 | SerajewelKS | smhar: then "man route" and read :) |
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| 19:22.36 | smhar | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 19:23.16 | aceio | iam trying to setup option 150 on dhcp and its not working |
| 19:23.27 | SerajewelKS | smhar: np |
| 19:23.33 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 19:23.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:23.37 | SerajewelKS | aceio: ^^^ |
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| 19:24.22 | aceio | it is that sytax i am adding into config file option option-150 code 150= ip |
| 19:24.51 | SerajewelKS | aceio: you have not told us what option 150 is supposed to do, what you are setting it to, or even what dhcp server you are using |
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| 19:26.19 | aceio | i am using the 150 option in my scope to allow the ip phones too locate the tftp-server |
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| 19:28.20 | aceio | this is the mesage i am getting when i try too restart dhcp3 server |
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| 19:30.03 | aceio | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/ujh0rQCc |
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| 19:31.37 | Stathol | It's complaining about the data type. "10." isn't a valid IP |
| 19:31.40 | aceio | SerajewelKS: this is my dhcp.conf file http://pastebin.com/EcNDSFYq |
| 19:32.17 | aceio | what i am i doing wrong |
| 19:32.22 | Stathol | Hm. Something must have gotten chopped on your first pastebin, then |
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| 19:33.44 | aceio | Stathol: let me redo it |
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| 19:34.00 | SerajewelKS | Stathol: that's not the problem... he's mixing option definitions and their values, i think |
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| 19:34.18 | SerajewelKS | aceio: you want "option option-150 code ip-address;" |
| 19:34.40 | SerajewelKS | aceio: then, later, "option option-150 10.x.x.x;" |
| 19:35.01 | aceio | SerajewelKS: oky |
| 19:35.16 | SerajewelKS | aceio: also, it really helps if you, you know, actually READ the documentation |
| 19:35.53 | aceio | SerajewelKS: thanks dude |
| 19:35.54 | SerajewelKS | aceio: erm, "option option-150 code = ip-address;" (i forgot the =) |
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| 19:36.25 | SerajewelKS | aceio: "man dhcp-options" would have explained this to you... |
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| 19:38.40 | aceio | SerajewelKS:reading now cheers |
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| 19:40.46 | Stathol | If I'm reading this right, it should be defined with "option option-150 code 150 = ip-address;" |
| 19:41.17 | Stathol | Or use whatever you'd like in place of "option-150", of course. "cisco-tftp", maybe |
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| 19:49.06 | tinflu | hello, my latest apt-get upgrade (on squeeze) is unresponding when trying to set up lvm2 (2.02.62-1) on Setting up LVM Volume Groups Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... it's like this for an hour or two |
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| 19:51.16 | generic | anyone succesfull using vdpau who would care to help me? |
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| 19:51.43 | generic | I can't findout how to set it up properly.. |
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| 19:54.32 | ElDiabolo | generic, nvidia-glx version does support vdpau? |
| 19:54.43 | generic | ElDiabolo: no it doesnt |
| 19:54.54 | generic | ElDiabolo: I have that installed from sid |
| 19:55.07 | generic | ElDiabolo: also what about mplayer? |
| 19:55.09 | generic | i |
| 19:55.23 | generic | how do i get a vdpau supported mplayer? |
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| 19:58.17 | ElDiabolo | generic, mine does. Its from debian-multimedia for lenny. |
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| 19:58.57 | ElDiabolo | generic, 1:1.0.rc2svn20 |
| 19:59.46 | ElDiabolo | generic, oops, 1:1.0.rc2svn20100313-0.0 to be precise |
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| 20:01.17 | generic | ElDiabolo: 2010? the package in their repo says 2008 |
| 20:01.44 | generic | ElDiabolo: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 |
| 20:02.13 | tinflu | any idea how to kill `/sbin/vgscan --ignorelockingfailure --mknodes ' ? can't be sigtermed |
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| 20:02.47 | metalfan_ | tinflu, kill -KILL $(pidof vgscan) |
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| 20:03.15 | metalfan_ | im not sure if $pidof.... will work |
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| 20:03.25 | metalfan_ | you may have to use the pid |
| 20:04.12 | tinflu | metalfan_: it is still there. it's a part of a tree process initiated by apt-get upgrade |
| 20:04.59 | metalfan_ | you could try killing apt-get but only as a last resort |
| 20:05.42 | tinflu | thanks but instead i killed lvm2. it did it. |
| 20:06.01 | ElDiabolo | generic, ooops 2, should have said its from squeeze. |
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| 20:07.21 | tinflu | the problem persists though when I try to apt-get upgrade again, `/sbin/vgscan --ignorelockingfailure --mknodes ' is still hang |
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| 20:12.08 | mns | I've got an external USB drive. How do I make sure I get the correct information when I format/partition it ? |
| 20:12.29 | mns | this is on Debian/testing (no gnome/kde/xfce, just a cli) |
| 20:12.49 | SerajewelKS | mns: define "correct information" |
| 20:12.51 | wols | mns: what information do you mean? |
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| 20:14.22 | mns | SerajewelKS, wols: the last time I did, fsck complains that the size reported by superblock is not bigger compared to what the physical size of the disk is. |
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| 20:15.05 | mns | I'd like to avoid that this time around. |
| 20:15.24 | cp | anyone here use ptppd? I am trying to allow my VPN connections to still have internet access? any know why it wouldnt allow this? |
| 20:15.53 | wols | cp: routing problem possibly |
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| 20:17.19 | tbsaunde | mns: try parted or cfdsck? |
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| 20:17.27 | MRRCP | wols a routing prob? |
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| 20:17.40 | MRRCP | u cant even add routes to the vpn can you |
| 20:17.40 | MRRCP | ? |
| 20:18.10 | wols | MRRCP: why can't you? a vpn interface is an interface like any other and has routing entries in the kernel you can change if you want to |
| 20:19.12 | SerajewelKS | MRRCP: the only thing that makes a vpn interface different from, say, an ethernet NIC is that the vpn interface has a piece of software responsible for transmission/reception of packets instead of a hardware device |
| 20:19.42 | SerajewelKS | mns: just fdisk it and mkfs without any size arguments, the mkfs programs should be able to detect the size of the partition |
| 20:20.01 | SerajewelKS | mns: if you're unsure, run fsck after doing mkfs to verify that everything is ok |
| 20:20.33 | mathuaerknedam | Is there a different channel for debian-sparc? |
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| 20:21.00 | mns | tbsaunde: thanks. I'll try those. |
| 20:21.22 | mns | tbsaunde: I take it you meant cfdisk ? or is cfdsck something different ? |
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| 20:22.30 | mns | SerajewelKS: ok. I think that's what I did last time. I used fdisk, created a 2GB swap partition, and the rest of the disk for data. |
| 20:22.37 | mathuaerknedam | I was able to boot from CD and install debian, but my Ultra 25 fails to boot with fcode and "not executable" errors. |
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| 20:23.34 | mns | mathuaerknedam: I think there is a #debian-sparc or #debiansparc room |
| 20:23.41 | mns | let me check |
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| 20:24.06 | mathuaerknedam | #debian-sparc appears to have been decommissioned. |
| 20:24.12 | mns | oh ok |
| 20:24.23 | mns | well then I don't know. |
| 20:24.33 | mathuaerknedam | Okay, thanks anyway. :) |
| 20:24.51 | mns | once upon a time I had tried to get it to work on an Ultra-2/ Ultra-5 but no luck. |
| 20:25.11 | wols | !sparc |
| 20:25.11 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:34.11 | SerajewelKS | mns: using an external drive for swap? O_o |
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| 20:48.37 | mns | SerajewelKS: yeah yeah I know |
| 20:48.56 | mns | and that too over USB. |
| 20:49.08 | mns | is a bad boy ! |
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| 20:55.20 | fruitwerks | uhh why can't I apt-get sun-java5-jdk? |
| 20:56.14 | simonrvn | because it doesn't like you? |
| 20:56.27 | fruitwerks | I can't even find any jdk's |
| 20:56.39 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: you need to enable the non-free repo |
| 20:56.46 | fruitwerks | oh do tell |
| 20:56.55 | Titan8990 | judd: versions sun-java5-jdk |
| 20:56.56 | fruitwerks | I have never used debian before |
| 20:56.57 | judd | sun-java5-jdk -- etch/non-free: 1.5.0-14-1etch1; lenny/non-free: 1.5.0-17-0.1 |
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| 20:57.05 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: have you ever used any linux? |
| 20:57.26 | fruitwerks | I have been a freebsd / gentoo guy for like 10+ years |
| 20:57.42 | Titan8990 | !non-free |
| 20:57.42 | dpkg | i guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:57.54 | Titan8990 | fruitwerks: then you should atleast pickup on it fairly quickly |
| 20:58.01 | Titan8990 | !tell fruitwerks about non-free sources |
| 20:58.11 | simonrvn | should be easy enough for you then |
| 20:58.17 | Da_Wrecka | Apparently I chose my installation mirror poorly... I'm getting "Couldn't find package b43-fwcutter" when I use "apt-get install". Helpful hint everyone, don't use the goscomb.net mirror. |
| 20:58.46 | Titan8990 | judd: versions b43-fwcutter |
| 20:58.47 | judd | b43-fwcutter -- etch/contrib: 1:011-1~etchnhalf.2; lenny/contrib: 1:011-5; sid/contrib: 1:012-1; squeeze/contrib: 1:012-1 |
| 20:58.57 | Titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: have you enabled the contrib repo? |
| 20:58.57 | simonrvn | Da_Wrecka: i stick to unis or other large nodes |
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| 20:59.12 | infinitux | dpkg |
| 20:59.16 | Titan8990 | always uses mirror.anl.gov or a university |
| 20:59.25 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. No I haven't. |
| 20:59.29 | infinitux | dpkg: nvidia? |
| 20:59.29 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:59.39 | Titan8990 | !msg the bot |
| 20:59.39 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 20:59.42 | Da_Wrecka | there we go |
| 21:00.12 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 21:00.19 | Da_Wrecka | god, that stupid "photo import" is getting on my tits |
| 21:00.34 | Da_Wrecka | Every time I insert my SD card, it asks me if I want to import the photos. |
| 21:00.48 | Da_Wrecka | And it completely disregards the "Always perform this action" checkbox |
| 21:01.18 | simonrvn | won't ask about Da_Wrecka's tits ... |
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| 21:11.01 | blueVenom | i need some help with a cisco aironet 340 pcmcia card |
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| 21:11.30 | blueVenom | it keeps telling me uknown hardware type 801 |
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| 21:13.19 | blueVenom | can someone give me a hand with my aironet card? |
| 21:13.40 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 21:13.43 | simonrvn | !aironet |
| 21:13.44 | dpkg | airo is probably a driver for Cisco/Aironet 802.11b wireless ethernet cards. <WPA> support requires firmware version 5.30.17 or later. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/airo . Cisco/Aironet 802.11a/b/g "tri-mode" cards contain an Atheros chipset; for support of these, ask me about <ath5k> instead. |
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| 21:16.37 | simonrvn | !fart |
| 21:16.37 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
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| 21:17.31 | cp | anyone here use pptpd |
| 21:17.31 | cp | ? |
| 21:17.58 | Kev1 | Hi, i have a problem with the X. (no matching modes) on avira rescue cd |
| 21:18.06 | cp | pptpd |
| 21:18.25 | Kev1 | my graphic card is Sis 6326 |
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| 21:19.51 | blueVenom | i have all the modules loaded...but it still says unknown hardware type 801 |
| 21:20.47 | Kev1 | are you talking to me blueVenom ? |
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| 21:21.04 | oal | How do I give a user write access to a folder? I want to give "oal" access to /home/django. How would I do that? (there's also a django user) |
| 21:21.16 | blueVenom | no Kev1 ... dpkg |
| 21:21.21 | Kev1 | sorry |
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| 21:22.39 | Kev1 | chmod root:users +rwx /home/django |
| 21:22.48 | oal | Kev1: Thanks |
| 21:22.54 | Kev1 | something like that oal ;) |
| 21:23.02 | oal | What does the "root" do there? |
| 21:23.02 | chomwitt | hi. in testing squeze kde, i cant change the mouse pointer. against what package should i report that bug? |
| 21:23.10 | Kev1 | the owner |
| 21:23.29 | Kev1 | but the group is users |
| 21:23.34 | oal | Kev1: I added the user django, but is root still the owner? |
| 21:23.50 | Kev1 | wait |
| 21:24.11 | Kev1 | chmod user:group +rwx folder |
| 21:24.22 | oal | Thanks, let me try |
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| 21:24.29 | Kev1 | if you want to change the owner use chown |
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| 21:24.39 | oal | No, don't want that |
| 21:24.42 | Kev1 | chown django |
| 21:24.45 | Kev1 | ok |
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| 21:25.16 | oal | Kev1: Will it be chmod oal:django +rwx /home/django ? |
| 21:25.19 | fruitwerks | anyone know where I can get sjp-1_0-ea-linux-i586.tar.gz |
| 21:25.36 | Kev1 | ok oal |
| 21:25.50 | oal | Kev1: Is that command ok? |
| 21:25.57 | xand | that's nonsense |
| 21:26.25 | xand | you can't put a user:group thing in chmod |
| 21:26.32 | Kev1 | chown to change owner, chmod to change permissions |
| 21:27.02 | oal | I want the owner to still be "django", but I want "oal" to have write access to "django"'s home directory |
| 21:27.17 | xand | you have to use setfacl for that, oal |
| 21:27.42 | simonrvn | chmod, chgrp, or use acls like xand said |
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| 21:27.51 | oal | Is it safe to do it the way I want, or would you recommend another approach? |
| 21:27.58 | xand | setfack -m u:oal:w /home/django |
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| 21:28.07 | mns | oal: just add yourself to the django roup and chmod g+s on the django directory |
| 21:28.07 | xand | *setfacl |
| 21:28.41 | mns | y |
| 21:28.48 | xand | ? |
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| 21:29.56 | oal | mns: Still not able to write to it |
| 21:30.45 | oal | xand: Do you have an example on how to use setfacl? |
| 21:30.56 | xand | I gave one |
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| 21:31.39 | oal | Ah, sorry, and thanks |
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| 21:33.33 | mns | oal, sorry it hould be chmod g+ws. also you'll need to logout and login to have the group membership take effect. |
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| 21:34.13 | oal | Ok, then it probably works. Thank you all |
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| 21:34.56 | oal | mns: Yes, that worked |
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| 21:42.04 | jhutchins | cups doesn't seem to be able to access /dev/lp0. cups is running as root... |
| 21:42.41 | Titan8990 | isn't it usually lpt0? |
| 21:42.48 | jhutchins | Titan8990: |
| 21:43.13 | jhutchins | Titan8990: lp0 exists, owned root:lp, rw-rw---- |
| 21:43.38 | jhutchins | cups can't print a test page. |
| 21:44.03 | jhutchins | This is pure lenny, a recent install, never printed before, |
| 21:44.04 | zleap | can you restart the printer |
| 21:44.04 | jhutchins | . |
| 21:44.15 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: does it actually get a permission denied? what kind of printer? |
| 21:44.30 | jhutchins | zleap: According to cups, but then it fails when it can't write to /dev/lp0. It's a Brother laser printer. |
| 21:44.38 | zleap | ah |
| 21:44.47 | zleap | did you install the lpr and cups wrapper drivers |
| 21:44.51 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: brothers are well supported from what I understand |
| 21:44.52 | jhutchins | cups appears to run as root. |
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| 21:45.06 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Yes, it's always worked fine. |
| 21:45.16 | zleap | i had to do all sorts of hacking and creating directories to get my dcp310 printer working but it now works great |
| 21:45.21 | zleap | i think i need a newer .deb file |
| 21:45.25 | jhutchins | I just rebuilt the workstation to get rid of Mandriva and don't have everything tweaked yet. |
| 21:45.40 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: what about cat file | lp0; as root? |
| 21:45.48 | jhutchins | It shows up as correctly configured in cups. |
| 21:46.09 | jhutchins | One would think there would be some text stub in /root... |
| 21:46.16 | zleap | i had to tell mine where the ppd file is (some sort of driver file) |
| 21:46.28 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: most of cups experience in on a rhel5 server which hosts everything lpt# |
| 21:47.11 | jhutchins | That appears to work. |
| 21:47.22 | jhutchins | Woke it up at least. |
| 21:47.37 | jhutchins | What's the character for a page feed? |
| 21:47.38 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: maybe there is a printer or cups group that your user needs to be a member |
| 21:47.53 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: linefeed is \r |
| 21:48.13 | lindi- | Titan8990: how could the group of your user matter? |
| 21:48.20 | lindi- | Titan8990: (with cups) |
| 21:48.51 | Titan8990 | lindi-: just throwing out ideas... it matters for burning cds, running 3d applications, running wireshark and various other things |
| 21:49.02 | Titan8990 | lindi-: listening to sound... |
| 21:49.03 | lindi- | Titan8990: but you talk to cups over network |
| 21:49.04 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Yes, but cups is running as root. |
| 21:49.29 | jhutchins | And tryig to send the test page logged in to cups as root. |
| 21:49.48 | lindi- | jhutchins: strace of cups process might give a clue |
| 21:50.08 | lindi- | jhutchins: but exact error message would help too |
| 21:51.45 | jhutchins | "Unable to open device file "/dev/lp0": Permission denied" |
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| 21:51.55 | Bop | anyone uses nicotine plus 1.2.14 here ? |
| 21:51.59 | JodaZ | how do i disable the ulimit (on files) for a user ? |
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| 21:52.38 | jhutchins | Definitely a config error. |
| 21:52.53 | jhutchins | Some step has been omitted. |
| 21:53.29 | jhutchins | Possibly a bug with parallel printing overlooked since everybody uses usb. |
| 21:54.14 | jhutchins | Abundant forum posts and a supposedly closed bug... |
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| 21:55.36 | lindi- | jhutchins: strace? |
| 21:55.56 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: according the the manpage, ulimit is deprecated |
| 21:56.19 | lindi- | Titan8990: which manpage? |
| 21:56.42 | Titan8990 | ah, ulimit the system function is deprecated, but ulimit the bash builtin is not |
| 21:56.47 | Titan8990 | lindi-: ulimit(3) |
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| 21:57.06 | lindi- | Titan8990: yep it's obsoleted function |
| 21:57.07 | jhutchins | Interesting, cups does not show the parallel port. |
| 21:57.12 | lindi- | Titan8990: the concept is not deprecated |
| 21:57.28 | JodaZ | well, how do i change the actual limit ? |
| 21:57.30 | jhutchins | lindi-: Sorry, not a coder, not familiar with strace. |
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| 21:59.05 | lindi- | jhutchins: 1) first start sudo strace -tt -s4096 -o cups.strace -f -u cups -p $(pidof cups) |
| 21:59.14 | lindi- | jhutchins: 2) then print test page and finally 3) hit ctrl-c to kill strace |
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| 21:59.27 | lindi- | whoops, omit the "-u cups" part |
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| 21:59.46 | Titan8990 | jhutchins: I am not a coder either but I find strace rather nice for learning and debugging |
| 21:59.54 | lindi- | jhutchins: you want "-u lp" there |
| 22:00.18 | lindi- | jhutchins: strace is definitely something worth learning |
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| 22:02.53 | SimManiac | uhm |
| 22:02.57 | jhutchins | Interesting, logged in as root, the user for the test page is "anonymous". |
| 22:03.02 | SimManiac | testing updates seem to work again :) |
| 22:03.15 | jhutchins | chmod 777 /dev/lp0 worked until next boot, guess I'm off chasing bugs. |
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| 22:06.49 | Bop | damn it lol |
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| 22:07.09 | Bop | soulseek client called nicotine plus haves a serious security bug |
| 22:07.26 | Bop | someone is uploading me files without permission and no logs |
| 22:08.04 | JodaZ | does anyone know how i can up the limit on open files for a user ? |
| 22:08.16 | generic | anyone willing to actually help me get vdpau working on debian? |
| 22:08.41 | generic | i mean, user keep saying do this do that, and its not working |
| 22:09.24 | generic | i have mplayer compiled, apparently ne that can play vdpau, but i dont think i have the driver working correctly |
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| 22:10.01 | Titan8990 | why are you compiling mplayer instead of debian packaged mplayer? |
| 22:10.20 | generic | because it doesnt support vdpau |
| 22:11.05 | jhutchins | lindi-: Thanks for the advice, I'll see if I can learn anything with it - got to go feed horses now. (This kind of thing never happens unless you need to leave twenty minutes ago.) |
| 22:11.06 | Titan8990 | you would normally just change the configuration or patch the existing package in that case |
| 22:11.31 | jhutchins | I have had trouble with parallel printers in cups before with other distros. |
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| 22:11.48 | Titan8990 | depending on why it does not contain support for it |
| 22:11.53 | generic | thats really one of the only things i am having trouble with. And I dont see the whole deal with having spereate drivers/packages for vdpau. |
| 22:12.06 | smeea | is there any way to learn about updates for non-installed packages after aptitude update? |
| 22:12.15 | generic | Titan8990: how do i do that? |
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| 22:12.26 | generic | Titan8990: alwso it doesnt matter |
| 22:12.35 | generic | i have a mplayer now |
| 22:12.36 | Titan8990 | !package recompile |
| 22:12.36 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source> |
| 22:12.59 | generic | i need the proper driver, im tempted to just install it from nvidia's site |
| 22:13.16 | Titan8990 | smeea: what do you mean?? |
| 22:13.24 | Titan8990 | generic: which driver is that? |
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| 22:14.09 | generic | i dont know, but apparently the normal nvidia driver does not support vdpau |
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| 22:14.25 | cp | can someone tell me what this does: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:14.30 | smeea | Titan8990: i want to see list with updated non-installed packages after each `aptitude update`. |
| 22:14.32 | generic | and sorry but i really have to go, something came up :( |
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| 22:14.39 | Titan8990 | generic: I would say your really on your own |
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| 22:14.43 | cp | im a little new to linux but i know this iptable works just wondering what all it opens |
| 22:15.36 | smeea | e.g. i want to see something like 'iceweasel [experimental] 3.5.3-1 -> 3.6.1-1' for all packages |
| 22:15.38 | Titan8990 | smeea: alright... do you realize that there 20k potential packages that could be getting updates? |
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| 22:15.54 | Titan8990 | smeea: you want to subscribe the the announcement mailing lists hehe |
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| 22:16.22 | smeea | Titan8990: sure, but i think i could soft output using sed/grep |
| 22:17.04 | simonrvn | cp: does ip translation of ips located behind your gateway; allows hosts on the 'net to complete a connection with them, otherwise they won't be able to return packets to them. |
| 22:17.11 | simonrvn | cp: #netfilter |
| 22:17.39 | cp | ok |
| 22:18.01 | cp | so how can i put this into webmin so it auto loads |
| 22:18.06 | cp | im not sure what all i need to select |
| 22:18.09 | smeea | i update aptitude database everyday so i dont think it would be impossible to filter it. i don't sure, but it shouldn't be much more than 100-200 updates after each aptitude update |
| 22:18.09 | simonrvn | !webmin |
| 22:18.09 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 22:18.22 | simonrvn | !ipmasq |
| 22:18.22 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
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| 22:18.28 | simonrvn | cp: ^^^ |
| 22:18.54 | Titan8990 | smeea: I don't know of a way you can get that information in that way. |
| 22:19.00 | cp | hmm |
| 22:19.06 | cp | ive been reading |
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| 22:19.09 | cp | thats why i am here |
| 22:19.13 | smeea | Titan8990: ok, tnx anyway. |
| 22:19.53 | JodaZ | does anyone know how i can up the limit on open files for a user ? ulimit -n 10000 gives me operation not permitted, i already changed the stuff in limits.conf |
| 22:22.05 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: I assume that because limits.conf is read by PAM, it only takes effect on a new login session. just guessing however |
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| 22:22.54 | JodaZ | Titan8990, hmm, i ususally login as root and then su to the user, does that even open a new session ?? |
| 22:23.11 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: also, by the description of ulimit (bash), it only effects the current shell |
| 22:23.28 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: not unless you do su -l or su - <user> |
| 22:23.36 | JodaZ | ok |
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| 22:24.12 | JodaZ | su - user |
| 22:24.16 | JodaZ | didn't work, Titan8990 |
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| 22:25.15 | Titan8990 | !didn't work |
| 22:25.16 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 22:26.03 | JodaZ | Titan8990, when i do ulimit -n in the resulting shell i still get the old value of 1024, and upping with ulimit -n 10000 gives an operation not permitted error |
| 22:26.09 | JodaZ | simply doesn't work |
| 22:26.36 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: did you have a glance and the manpage? |
| 22:26.48 | JodaZ | Titan8990, of limits.conf, yes |
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| 22:28.09 | Titan8990 | JodaZ: -n The maximum number of open file descriptors (most systems do not allow this value to be set) |
| 22:31.08 | JodaZ | Titan8990, limits.conf is supposed to control that behavior |
| 22:32.03 | amphi | JodaZ: /proc/sys/fs/file-max is relevant to your problem? |
| 22:32.16 | JodaZ | let me check |
| 22:32.28 | JodaZ | no, that value seems sufficient |
| 22:33.20 | amphi | JodaZ: /proc/sys/fs/file-nr may be useful too; the first number is the number of files actually open currently, if I recall correctly |
| 22:34.21 | Titan8990 | the number of allocated file handles; the number of free file handles; and the maximum number of file handles. |
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| 22:34.50 | amphi | Titan8990: the second is zero here, I forget the reason now |
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| 22:36.10 | Titan8990 | amphi: zero here too, but according to the manpage it is number free... |
| 22:37.13 | JodaZ | amphi, thats system wide |
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| 22:40.16 | amphi | JodaZ: yes |
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| 22:43.46 | pierrep | hi |
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| 22:45.22 | pierrep | when I install gnome by apt-get it install a bluetooth deamon(I am guessing its bluez-tools), and it launch it when install |
| 22:45.45 | pierrep | I want to block package install or block the deamon from starting |
| 22:46.00 | pierrep | is there a way to do that ? |
| 22:46.09 | rzeka | I am using sernet-samba from repo. I can acces samba shared folders from windows @ linux, but how can I now acces windows shared files from linux? I've tried to install "smbfs" package from repo, but it wants to remove sernet-samba. |
| 22:46.54 | JodaZ | why isn't the limits.so default in pam ? |
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| 22:47.06 | pierrep | same question |
| 22:48.02 | abrotman | pierrep: 1) use aptitude 2) use unmarkauto |
| 22:48.24 | streuner | pierrep: you want stop a daemon? apt-cache show rcconf might help |
| 22:48.52 | pierrep | thx for your answer I am trying both |
| 22:48.53 | streuner | !info rcconf |
| 22:49.29 | dpkg | rcconf: (Debian Runlevel configuration tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.5 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 22:50.32 | pierrep | streuner, I know how stop a deamon and for admin i use chkconfig |
| 22:50.52 | pierrep | I just don't want that apt-get start the daemon in any way |
| 22:51.38 | pierrep | my place is not secure and there is a funny guy that corrupt my systeme eveni if it is up for 2 seconds |
| 22:52.04 | Titan8990 | pierrep: chkconfig is for red-based distros |
| 22:52.21 | Titan8990 | err red-hat based |
| 22:53.20 | pierrep | you mean Fedora core ? |
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| 22:58.42 | cygnus_ | hi, is fsck meant to give me some progress or anything? i did this snowball:/sbin# fsck.ext3 -pfcv /dev/hdb1 but it's just showing nothing |
| 22:59.01 | cygnus_ | i can't tell if it's doing stuff or broken |
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| 23:00.25 | abrotman | cygnus_: it can |
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| 23:00.47 | cygnus_ | any suggestions for me to know if its doing something |
| 23:00.53 | cygnus_ | the disk may jsut be so bad it's dying? |
| 23:01.02 | cygnus_ | but i would have hoped for some info |
| 23:02.39 | abrotman | cygnus_: did you see -C ? |
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| 23:03.11 | cygnus_ | no |
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| 23:03.13 | cygnus_ | pfcv |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | man fsck .. did you see -C ? |
| 23:03.26 | Tramp | i'd expect -c (badblocks) to take ages |
| 23:03.32 | cygnus_ | ah |
| 23:03.39 | cygnus_ | ye well a badblocks process is there |
| 23:03.40 | cygnus_ | root 5419 0.0 0.6 7988 6452 pts/1 S 08:56 0:00 fsck.ext3 -pfcv /dev/hdb1 |
| 23:03.40 | cygnus_ | root 5420 0.7 0.0 2640 960 pts/1 D 08:56 0:03 badblocks -b 4096 -X /dev/hdb1 29304559 |
| 23:03.52 | cygnus_ | but thought it would have a progress bar |
| 23:04.04 | abrotman | you have to explicitly use it apparently |
| 23:04.21 | pierrep | +1 for no bluez-gnome by default deps or not a ready to use one |
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| 23:04.31 | cygnus_ | crap |
| 23:04.36 | cygnus_ | so can i ctrl+_c this fsck? |
| 23:04.41 | cygnus_ | or will it maybe break my hd |
| 23:04.45 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 23:04.53 | cygnus_ | doubt i shoudl or doubt it will break stuff |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | the filesystem isn't mounted ? |
| 23:04.58 | cygnus_ | right |
| 23:05.02 | cygnus_ | i telinit 3 |
| 23:05.06 | cygnus_ | then umount /home then fsck |
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| 23:06.25 | abrotman | uh .. whta do you think telinit 3 does? |
| 23:06.45 | cygnus_ | maybe i should have telinit 1 |
| 23:06.52 | moqq | how can i install a squeeze pacakge to lenny? |
| 23:06.56 | cygnus_ | but i remember it from like 10 years ago its meant to shutdown to a minimal state |
| 23:07.00 | abrotman | moqq: you don't want to, which package? |
| 23:07.02 | cygnus_ | i dunno if its still used |
| 23:07.05 | abrotman | cygnus_: on RH you mean ?> |
| 23:07.07 | moqq | abrotman: php5.3 |
| 23:07.09 | cygnus_ | debian |
| 23:07.41 | abrotman | moqq: php5.3 is pretty buggy .. there isn't an easy way that I can (in good faith) recommend |
| 23:08.08 | cygnus_ | can i ctrl+c this thing? |
| 23:08.11 | cygnus_ | while badblocks is going |
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| 23:09.31 | rzeka | When I use "mount -o smbfs //192.168... /mnt/xp_a" all works fine, but when I put in /etc/fstab "//192.168... /mnt/xp_a smbfs defaults 0 0", the mount -a tells me that it cannot recognize "smbfs"... What could be reason? |
| 23:10.43 | SerajewelKS | what could trigger a "Device is busy" during umount, even when lsof lists no open files on the volume? |
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| 23:11.30 | SerajewelKS | aha, attached loop devices |
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| 23:12.28 | cygnus_ | SerajewelKS, user logged in |
| 23:12.50 | SerajewelKS | cygnus_: lsof would show that |
| 23:13.05 | Bop | any thunar user here ? |
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| 23:13.43 | SerajewelKS | !poll |
| 23:13.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 23:13.45 | SerajewelKS | Bop: ^^^ |
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| 23:14.22 | Bop | just to know if someone is experimenting a bug in thunar |
| 23:14.35 | Bop | i lose the select file option , it just wont select any file |
| 23:14.43 | rhineheart_m | I have this issue.. what is the issue if I'd do ./configure as a root and the system would reply -bash: ./configure: Permission denied |
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| 23:15.30 | jhamlin | Hi folks, I'd like to have gmail "push" emails to my computer and use something like Alpine or Sylpheed to read them. Can I use fetchmail to do that? Just thought I'd ask before I start reading in detail about fetchmail... |
| 23:15.35 | SerajewelKS | rhineheart_m: don't compile stuff as root |
| 23:15.56 | SerajewelKS | jhamlin: yes, though you are actually pulling from gmail. turn on gmail's pop3 option and use fetchmail. |
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| 23:18.49 | jhamlin | SerajewelKS: So basically fetchmail would be polling for new messages every so often then downloading them locally and then Alpine could read the locally stored emails? |
| 23:19.23 | abrotman | Bop: did you check the BTS? |
| 23:19.41 | Bop | no |
| 23:19.42 | Bop | ill check |
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| 23:20.21 | pierrep | $ aptitude install gnome bluez-gnome- like it is a dependence I still can't install gnome.. |
| 23:20.43 | pierrep | noway to skip the dependance ?for the install without this particulary package |
| 23:20.53 | rhineheart_m | SerajewelKS... even as a user.. it won't let me do it.. same return message |
| 23:20.55 | abrotman | did you unmarkauto ? |
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| 23:24.35 | pierrep | abrotman, I try $ aptitude install gnome bluez-gnome&M (or &m) but it still install it |
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| 23:26.14 | pierrep | abrotman, sorry it is what you say |
| 23:26.20 | pierrep | *it is not |
| 23:26.25 | abrotman | what? |
| 23:26.55 | pierrep | &m = manual install and &M = auto install |
| 23:27.28 | pierrep | in fact it is ... |
| 23:28.37 | pierrep | I confirm it still install it |
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| 23:31.08 | abrotman | pierrep: aptitude unmarkauto foo && aptitude remove foo |
| 23:31.15 | abrotman | man aptitude would have been helpful |
| 23:31.29 | hesco | can phpize be installed with apt-get ?? apt-cache search came back empty, as did http://packages.debian.org/search, any ideas how I can satisfy this dependency? |
| 23:31.33 | abrotman | pierrep: why do you want to remove it so badly ? |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | pierrep: can't you just stop the program from starting ? |
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| 23:32.21 | rhineheart_m | what is the problem if I'd do ./configure as a user and the system would reply -bash: ./configure: Permission denied ? I tried chmod 755 configure before doing it same thing.. |
| 23:32.33 | pierrep | abrotman, because my neighbour use the 5secs to rootkit my system .... |
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| 23:33.02 | abrotman | pierrep: huh ? |
| 23:33.18 | pierrep | and I had been cleaning my lan for 5 days ... and don't want to have another corrupted machine |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: what about the directory you're working in ? |
| 23:33.38 | disspate | Question: does libpcap in debian lenny use PF_RING sockets by default? |
| 23:34.00 | rhineheart_m | it's in the home.... |
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| 23:34.42 | rhineheart_m | abrotman.. as a user I wget the file.. then mkdir then copy it there.. and untar.. then ./configure.... |
| 23:35.06 | rhineheart_m | abrotman: I even tried su before doing ./configure.. same thing.. |
| 23:35.09 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: is the filesystem mounted r/o ? |
| 23:35.11 | abrotman | i guess not |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | filesystem corruption ? |
| 23:35.33 | lindi- | maybe the fs is noexec |
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| 23:35.45 | lindi- | or you lack bash |
| 23:35.49 | rhineheart_m | this is the file I'm working on... http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=11026 |
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| 23:35.55 | lindi- | (hmm, configure should not call bash) |
| 23:36.14 | rhineheart_m | and this is the way I do it... tar -xzvf gtm_V54000_linux_i686_pro.tar.gz abrotman |
| 23:36.15 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: that has many files |
| 23:36.55 | rhineheart_m | mmp! so lindi- what's your recommendation? abrotman.. what's with it? |
| 23:37.11 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: they indeed do ship configure without execution permissions |
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| 23:37.16 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: their software is broken. |
| 23:37.44 | abrotman | lindi-: the bash shell is telling him that |
| 23:37.45 | rhineheart_m | lindi- huh?! any workaround on this? |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: put all the output in a pastebin |
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| 23:38.06 | rhineheart_m | ls -l configure right? |
| 23:38.45 | abrotman | and lsattr ? |
| 23:39.00 | rhineheart_m | no need to pastebin.. just single line.. here is it.. -r--r--r-- 1 40535 40535 27736 2010-02-20 04:47 configure |
| 23:39.08 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: their software looks really broken |
| 23:39.15 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: i would advice against using it |
| 23:39.29 | rhineheart_m | ows.. but I need it to run worldvista |
| 23:39.46 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: not really debian issue anymore :) |
| 23:39.46 | pierrep | q |
| 23:40.25 | rhineheart_m | abrotman..do you still need the lsattr output? |
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| 23:40.43 | abrotman | not if it's all - |
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| 23:41.08 | lindi- | they also seem to ship binaries in that source tarball |
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| 23:41.41 | sponzor | hi. i have problem. i nead to change passwords of all users in mail server, how to do it? our admin is unaveiable... (squirrelmail) |
| 23:42.33 | rhineheart_m | does it make sense if I'm using 64-bit and that is 32-bit lindi-? |
| 23:42.34 | xand | sponzor: if they are real users, the passwd command? |
| 23:43.38 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: i don't know their software. it looks very suspicious |
| 23:44.06 | rhineheart_m | lindi- it's hosted in sourceforge.. |
| 23:44.07 | sponzor | i do: lastlog and see root,bin, etc.. and also mailusers, if i do passwd mailuser2... will this work? |
| 23:44.12 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: so? |
| 23:44.20 | lindi- | rhineheart_m: a lot of non-free stuff is in sourceforge |
| 23:44.25 | rhineheart_m | lind- here's the link http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm/files/ |
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| 23:44.40 | lindi- | just being on sourceforge doesn't mean anything really |
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| 23:45.03 | Titan8990 | sponzor: perharps you should wait for your admin to get back |
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| 23:45.57 | rhineheart_m | lindi- I just got the how-to from worldvista.. the system was originally developed by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs |
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| 23:46.26 | rhineheart_m | well, if this is a non-debian issue.. sorry of asking it here.. :( |
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| 23:47.05 | shifty | does anyone know how to convince hunspell to use my personal dictionary? I got fed up with ispell and wanted to share my openoffice personal dictionary within emacs, but I can't seem to convince hunspell to recognise any of the words in my personal dictionary! It ADDS them OK, but doesn |
| 23:47.16 | shifty | (sorry) doesn't check them |
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| 23:48.32 | xand | sponzor: as that user, or as root |
| 23:48.40 | sponzor | as root |
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| 23:49.27 | shifty | [sponzor] just double checking... can you see all the squirrelmail users in the /etc/passwd file? |
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| 23:50.53 | sponzor | antonf:x:1007:100::/home/users/lukaf/:/home/scripts/egshell.sh |
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| 23:51.10 | sponzor | ups wrong one, lukaf:x:1007:100::/home/users/lukaf/:/home/scripts/egshell.sh |
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| 23:54.31 | Titan8990 | sponzor: you just showed us two different users with the same UID |
| 23:55.22 | sponzor | i copied wrong |
| 23:55.37 | Titan8990 | sponzor: you mean you modified what you copied wrong? |
| 23:57.03 | sponzor | i wanted to type it but then i copied the wrong one.. :) the second one is the right one |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | sponzor: why are you trying to change all the passwords ? |
| 23:57.39 | Titan8990 | while the admin is "unavailable" at that |
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