| 00:00.48 | nono | top |
| 00:00.50 | nono | ;-) |
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| 00:28.21 | wrex | hugs debian |
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| 00:49.21 | FFForever | how do I synd my clock? |
| 00:49.33 | FFForever | Sync& |
| 00:49.35 | \amethyst | FFForever: install the package 'ntp' |
| 00:49.44 | FFForever | \amethyst, I installed it now? |
| 00:50.04 | \amethyst | it should be syncing your clock now |
| 00:50.38 | FFForever | \amethyst, would you happen to know how I can put it in my local time zone (Americas/Los_Angeles) |
| 00:51.00 | \amethyst | FFForever: you want to set your time zone? |
| 00:51.10 | FFForever | Yeah |
| 00:51.23 | \amethyst | FFForever: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 01:37.22 | dokma | hey guys... I keep failing to setup an additional IP for my Debian box |
| 01:38.20 | dokma | here is a pastebin for my current setup: http://pastebin.com/WYrNzbks |
| 01:39.05 | dokma | when I uncomment the eth0:1 interface and restart networkin my machine becomes unreachable |
| 01:39.27 | bbd | dokma: because you have 2 gateways then |
| 01:39.28 | dokma | it's a dedicated box so then I must go into rescue mode to fix the interfaces file |
| 01:39.51 | dokma | bbd: I don't understand that very well |
| 01:39.58 | dokma | could you please elaborate a bit? |
| 01:40.48 | bbd | dokma: those "up route add.." to which if should belong? |
| 01:41.08 | dokma | those work in the current config |
| 01:41.17 | dokma | so I guess the "belong" to eth0 |
| 01:41.39 | dokma | this is the working setup |
| 01:41.48 | bbd | dokma: when eth1 is uncommented they belong to eth1 then, and are executed when you run ifup eth1 |
| 01:42.00 | bbd | sorry, eth1=eth0:1 I mean |
| 01:42.08 | dokma | aaaaaaahhhh I see |
| 01:42.22 | dokma | so how do I make those work for both interfaces? |
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| 01:43.05 | bbd | dokma: move "up.." lines up before eth0:1 section. And also decide what to do with default gateways because 2 default gws will cause problems as well |
| 01:43.38 | manu_hack | hi any software suitable to build an online shop? I vaguely remember there is one but couldnt find it now, any idea? |
| 01:43.55 | dokma | bbd: do you know what is the correct setup then? |
| 01:43.56 | bbd | manu_hack: ecommerce and related. google it |
| 01:44.31 | manu_hack | thx bbd |
| 01:44.52 | dokma | and do those dns-nameservers also belong to the iface after which they are sepcified? |
| 01:44.52 | manu_hack | i was goolging e shop and such |
| 01:45.15 | bbd | dokma: it depends on what you need. For example if you want to reach internet via gw 89.149.209.1 when eth0:1 is up, then add "up route delete default gw 217.20.117.1" to eth0:1 section |
| 01:45.21 | dokma | manu_hack: check magento |
| 01:45.55 | dokma | bbd: ahhh I see. I didn't mention that I want both interfaces up at the same time. |
| 01:46.12 | dokma | so that my machine can be reached by 2 ips at the same time |
| 01:46.16 | dokma | is this even possible? |
| 01:46.17 | bbd | dokma: so how Linux should decide which packet to send out via which interface? |
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| 01:46.55 | dokma | bbd: I am not very familiar with all this |
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| 01:47.12 | dokma | I thought it would be just a matter of adding an additional ip to the system |
| 01:47.40 | bbd | dokma: there advanced networking starts.. ;) try to google about source routing, multiple default routes etc. Sorry have to go to sleep, good luck. |
| 01:48.19 | dokma | bbd: thanks a lot! |
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| 01:51.44 | adil | my friend jazmine is 16 and is having difficulty in her household. she also has a son and her parents don't want her to see him. will she get emancipated and if she does when will it happen ? |
| 01:54.36 | amphi | we are expecting everything possible, very soon |
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| 02:00.31 | wolfric | trying to get apache to block all directories (for the moment at least i'll add in allows if i can get it to work) http://pastebin.com/NPANzfuj but it doesn't work. #apache mentioned coming here as the conf files might be set up different for debian |
| 02:00.51 | wolfric | i've added this to the end of apache2.conf in /etc/apache2 |
| 02:00.58 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: for what purpose? |
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| 02:01.21 | wolfric | want to just enable it for my lan ip |
| 02:01.57 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: see /etc/apache2/conf.d/security |
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| 02:02.29 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: though honestly, if you want that, the general method is to use iptables or similar |
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| 02:02.45 | wolfric | well it's just bugging me that it should have worked and it didn't |
| 02:02.45 | dondelelcaro | (or not have apache listen on IPs besides the lan ip) |
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| 02:03.51 | wolfric | should that not have worked? i mean have i set this up wrong? securitys version (which is commented out) is exactly the same with an allowoverride none |
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| 02:04.54 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: it'll work, but it assumes that there aren't any intervening allow rules |
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| 02:05.24 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: the reason why you use the conf.d directories instead of editing apache2.conf, is that it allows you to have the confirmations slightly more separated |
| 02:06.59 | wolfric | right but afaik (and i have searched) there aren't any other directory mods. This is a fresh install. The only ones are allow all which is set to userdir but that's for user subdirectories. the security directory listings were commented out |
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| 02:10.15 | wolfric | dondelelcaro: so any idea why it... isn't working? |
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| 02:14.47 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: isn't working in what way? |
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| 02:15.05 | dondelelcaro | wolfric: you do realize that the default configuration enables access to a large set of directories, right? |
| 02:16.31 | wolfric | in that i still have access on another computer on the network |
| 02:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | your pastebin doesn't work |
| 02:17.11 | wolfric | i set it to 10 mins i just assumed people would have looked at it by then |
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| 02:18.25 | wolfric | sure if i just uncommment the block all in security file it should work but it doesn't |
| 02:19.08 | wolfric | dondelelcaro: Is that actually written somewhere in the conf files? |
| 02:19.34 | tensorpudding | hello |
| 02:20.31 | tensorpudding | i am having some issues with pulseaudio, in particular it fails to load due to a permissions error for writing to /tmp |
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| 02:21.13 | tensorpudding | i tried running it as a user, or systemwide, and even though the user has write permissions to /tmp (and creating the file using touch works fine) it still fails when pulseaudio starts |
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| 02:22.46 | wolfric | got it to work. used location instead of directory. Apologies i've never done this before i must have confused the meanings *goes to lookup the difference* |
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| 02:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | tensorpudding, exact error? strace? |
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| 02:35.55 | tensorpudding | Hmm, the fine folk in #pulseaudio found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574111 which seems to address my issue |
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| 03:32.41 | yagoo | hi |
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| 03:35.56 | Promi | hi |
| 03:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be a hi-parade |
| 03:38.05 | Promi | very high, indeed :P |
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| 03:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | very hype |
| 03:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hype-parade |
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| 03:42.21 | omakase | anyone seen ._filename files being randomly generated? |
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| 03:42.59 | gh0st3r | is there any actual decent RDP Client for Debian... the only I'm using doesn't support having two screens (gnome-rdp) and such |
| 03:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use something that randomly generates ._filename files |
| 03:43.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses something that randomly generates ._filename files, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:43.36 | Promi | ^^ |
| 03:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | rdp? |
| 03:43.50 | Promi | try using lsof or something gh0st3r |
| 03:43.57 | gh0st3r | CutMeOwnThroat, Remote Desktop to windows :P |
| 03:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | rdesktop? |
| 03:44.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "two screens"? |
| 03:44.23 | gh0st3r | Promi, me use lsof for rdp? or CutMeOwnThroad use lsof? |
| 03:44.31 | gh0st3r | CutMeOwnThroat two monitors... |
| 03:44.34 | Promi | remote Desktop to windows is unethical gh0st3r ;) |
| 03:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how you can "support" those - if you have two monitors on the linux box, it's a matter of configuring X |
| 03:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's on the windows box, it doesn't matter, because remote desktop has it's own virtual monitor |
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| 03:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think Promi meant omakase |
| 03:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes, lsof might work if you catch the process "in the act" |
| 03:51.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser, if the file stays opened for a longer time |
| 03:51.54 | Promi | ah yes, sorry, i'm not very concentrated anymore ;) |
| 03:52.37 | Promi | you could also try to restrict access to the directory omakase |
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| 03:52.51 | Promi | maybe the process complains to some log file then |
| 03:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, it would helped if he described the problem a bit more... |
| 03:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | like where they are created |
| 03:53.18 | Promi | exactly |
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| 03:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably doesn't matter a lot, though |
| 03:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can't really track file creations, it's one of those vexing things in all unices |
| 03:54.59 | Promi | well killing all not needed processes one by one might help as well |
| 03:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | "su -c kill -9 -1" would definitely help... |
| 03:55.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem solved, machine dead |
| 03:56.00 | Promi | :D |
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| 03:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate Promi |
| 03:58.22 | dpkg | Promi: wenas how does I run teh mouse !!!! |
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| 03:59.01 | Promi | i guess you have to try a bit harder CutMeOwnThroat ;D |
| 03:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate Promi |
| 03:59.10 | dpkg | Promi: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome hello? |
| 03:59.19 | Promi | lol |
| 03:59.55 | Promi | debian is quite young compared to other old time OS's dpkg :P |
| 04:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | he means the package selection in stable, of course |
| 04:00.41 | adb | !calm down CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:00.41 | Promi | ah yes, well |
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| 04:01.16 | Promi | that's because debian stable undergoes serious testing before being declared "stable" |
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| 04:01.56 | Promi | and we can only afford this at long intervals |
| 04:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd versions gfortran |
| 04:02.09 | judd | gfortran -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1 |
| 04:02.47 | adb | versions gcc |
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| 04:02.55 | adb | ,versions gcc |
| 04:02.56 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1 |
| 04:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got the gfortran from squeeze for a reason |
| 04:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think because I ran into a similar problem as now... |
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| 04:03.59 | Promi | ok, i've got a question too: why is there no mysql-server-5.5 package in experimental? |
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| 04:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | linking some fortran program, i get loads of undefined reference to ... to e.g. `ddi_bcast_' |
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| 04:05.07 | nkraich | hi |
| 04:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Promi, that's simple to answer - because nobody packaged and uploaded it? |
| 04:06.24 | Promi | ok, good one CutMeOwnThroat ;) |
| 04:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Promi, as to why none of the maintainers of mysql did it, you'd have to ask them |
| 04:07.02 | Promi | i really need mysql 5.5 atm, but i'm not experienced enough to provide a package |
| 04:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Promi, might not be so hard - build it on an existing package |
| 04:08.00 | Promi | well my problem actually goes beyond debian CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Promi, there's mysql-server-5.1 in testing... |
| 04:08.22 | Promi | mysql 5.5 ist not stable enough yet, but i need some feature on a web server ... |
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| 04:08.39 | Promi | so it's really a upstream problem :-\ |
| 04:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | beyond debian? so hard to imagine... |
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| 04:08.54 | Promi | yeah mysql 5.1 is not enough |
| 04:08.55 | Rusty1 | dstat, iostat ? might help omakase |
| 04:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so do you want to hear how to make the package? |
| 04:09.27 | Promi | not now, i'm already half asleep now :) |
| 04:09.44 | Promi | but, I might come back to your offer later |
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| 04:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Promi, well, /msg dpkg ssb when you want to know - that's not exactly what you have to do, but most of the debian-specific stuff |
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| 04:10.30 | HowardtheDuck | hey |
| 04:10.51 | Promi | i'll make a not of that, thx CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 04:11.31 | Promi | note* |
| 04:11.47 | HowardtheDuck | word |
| 04:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Promi, also a useful factoid might be the "package recompile" one. Only difference, you plug the new source in and edit some files in the debian/ directory (possibly removing debian-patches that can't be used with the new version) |
| 04:12.44 | Promi | i'll see, it's not urgent, maybe i'll also contact the maintainer(s) |
| 04:13.55 | Rusty1 | or perhaps iotop omakase |
| 04:14.10 | Promi | now it's time to sleep :) g'night! |
| 04:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rusty1, you think he's listening? |
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| 04:14.41 | Rusty1 | FWIW |
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| 04:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rusty1, you think he's listening? |
| 04:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | any ida why compiling/linking with gefortran would cause loads of undefined reference to `ddi_bcast_' |
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| 04:18.31 | laurus | I did "xrandr --output LVDS --off", and now I want to turn LVDS back on again. How do I do that? |
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| 04:19.40 | flaccid | !debootstrap |
| 04:19.41 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 04:19.44 | flaccid | danke |
| 04:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in the example? xrandr --output LVDS --auto |
| 04:20.07 | laurus | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, auto, that's the word |
| 04:20.12 | laurus | I thought "on" would work but it didn't :p; |
| 04:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's copy&paste from the example in the man-page... you know? |
| 04:20.52 | laurus | Oh, I'm sorry :( |
| 04:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | else I wouldn't have known :) |
| 04:21.15 | laurus | ;) My apologies! |
| 04:21.22 | laurus | And thanks for the help. |
| 04:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
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| 04:29.19 | flaccid | say on deboostratp to /sid-root |
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| 04:29.42 | flaccid | this is on ubuntu server which i am using because debian installer/cd failed for amd64 on my hardware |
| 04:30.00 | flaccid | do i think move that to a new root partition/fs that i create, add an entry to grub to boot it and done? |
| 04:30.07 | flaccid | think=then |
| 04:30.38 | adb | install the kernel too |
| 04:30.56 | flaccid | where is that in the doc ? |
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| 04:31.26 | adb | logic , how to boot w/o kernel |
| 04:31.34 | dark | is there a 'dry run' for aptitude? |
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| 04:32.19 | flaccid | logic, a base system to run would need a kernel |
| 04:32.27 | flaccid | does debootstrap not do this? |
| 04:32.33 | adb | no |
| 04:32.56 | wols | and a bootloader too |
| 04:33.10 | dark | or an 'always ask'. i sometimes do aptitude install just to see how much space a program will eat (and then select n), but some annoying programs do not have dependencies and will just be installed by this (lol) |
| 04:33.58 | flaccid | i already have grub from the host OS |
| 04:34.13 | flaccid | i assume i chroot to /sid-root and apt-get a kernel |
| 04:34.44 | wols | you don't have a configured grub |
| 04:35.06 | flaccid | well not yet no |
| 04:35.20 | adb | flaccid, fix , /etc/fstab , root password , /etc/hostname , /etc/hosts |
| 04:35.27 | flaccid | grub is there, just havnt added |
| 04:35.34 | SerajewelKS | dark: there is -s for aptitude (simulate) |
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| 04:35.59 | SerajewelKS | dark: also, if you want to see how much additional space a package takes minimally, be sure to run aptitude with --without-recommends |
| 04:36.00 | flaccid | well i'm only up to debootstrap sid /sid-root http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 04:36.01 | flaccid | I: Base system installed successfully. |
| 04:36.06 | dark | SerajewelKS, thank you =) |
| 04:36.10 | dark | hmm nice |
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| 04:36.16 | dark | flaccid, this may help you, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en#id2777287 |
| 04:36.31 | SerajewelKS | dark: obviously, you must use that when installing too, if you want the minimal install. aptitude installs recommends-dependencies by default. |
| 04:36.33 | dark | flaccid, i successfully installed from debootstrap, under ubuntu, following this |
| 04:36.45 | flaccid | thanks dark |
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| 04:37.02 | flaccid | that looks good |
| 04:37.11 | dark | (i installed a stable system, then upgraded to testing. i'm using debian testing now, ^^) |
| 04:37.21 | flaccid | debootstrap sid /sid-root http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ <-- what arch does that install ? |
| 04:37.35 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: should be whatever arch you are currently running, AIUI |
| 04:37.50 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: the manpage probably knows |
| 04:38.36 | dark | SerajewelKS, hmm.. this default i may change editing /etc/apt/apt.conf, i guess |
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| 04:38.46 | SerajewelKS | dark: yes, if you want to |
| 04:38.56 | SerajewelKS | dark: for desktops i usually leave it on, and for servers i turn it off |
| 04:39.14 | dark | hmm o.o |
| 04:39.28 | SerajewelKS | i'm less concerned about "cruft" on a desktop, where i like things to work well |
| 04:39.43 | SerajewelKS | and on servers i'm usually more concerned about disk space and resources |
| 04:40.00 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: sweet as |
| 04:40.13 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: the what huh? |
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| 04:40.40 | dark | i don't know what is cruft, but i am certainly concerned with it on my usb pen drive - that has 201mb left, and now coq requires 129MB.. |
| 04:41.13 | SerajewelKS | heh well i don't use thumb drives much since i run a linux server on my home lan :) |
| 04:41.21 | SerajewelKS | winscp is all i need to get to my data |
| 04:41.37 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: i was ack'ing |
| 04:41.56 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: ok |
| 04:41.57 | flaccid | windows lol |
| 04:42.00 | dark | no, i have no hd (i actually was going to fix it, but i am using this machine with just a pen drive for some months..) |
| 04:42.09 | SerajewelKS | dark: ah, i see |
| 04:42.16 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: some of us don't have a choice at work |
| 04:42.26 | flaccid | yeah, i hate that |
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| 04:42.29 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: at home i just use smb anyway |
| 04:42.39 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: or sshfs |
| 04:42.45 | dark | and my /usr is just above 1.5gb! this is terrifying! |
| 04:42.53 | flaccid | i got the choice for work for whatever, but our crm is windows :( |
| 04:43.11 | flaccid | so i run 8gb of ram and vm for it |
| 04:43.24 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: at my work we develop a C# web app... and not all of the third-party libraries are xplat |
| 04:43.42 | flaccid | yuck |
| 04:43.51 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: i'm not even sure if our app is xplat, probably not. so mono is out. |
| 04:43.53 | dark | SerajewelKS, I would like to avoid this kind of situation... how to be productive, if you aren't using good tools? |
| 04:44.06 | SerajewelKS | dark: what kind of situation? |
| 04:44.23 | flaccid | i'm a django/python guy |
| 04:44.31 | dark | being forced to use a certain OS, to begin with |
| 04:44.45 | dark | hm, C# |
| 04:44.47 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: python gives me hives. i like C# and mono these days. not too fond of windows, but VS is a pretty decent IDE. |
| 04:45.11 | flaccid | c# is still more work and code for less |
| 04:45.11 | SerajewelKS | dark: it's not so much that i'm forced to use windows, as there is no other OS that our stuff is compatible with :) |
| 04:45.21 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: i disagree |
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| 04:45.33 | dark | SerajewelKS, hmm, well, you could develop C# in a linux box, and then commit it to a server you don't need to touch |
| 04:45.48 | dark | but yes, using windows would make sense then |
| 04:45.59 | SerajewelKS | dark: of course, but i couldn't test it on my own box. we all have local iis and sql server installs for testing our stuff pre-commit. |
| 04:46.02 | dark | (if you can bear it, i guess) |
| 04:46.08 | dark | ah |
| 04:46.14 | SerajewelKS | dark: we use svn. i get a bit of relief by using git-svn instead. |
| 04:46.23 | SerajewelKS | which makes my world a shit-ton happier |
| 04:46.37 | dark | you use git, the other members use svn?.. |
| 04:46.39 | SerajewelKS | in a corporate setting with branches out the wazoo, svn is fail |
| 04:46.43 | SerajewelKS | dark: yes |
| 04:46.49 | dark | ... o.o |
| 04:47.12 | SerajewelKS | dark: all git-svn does is fetch every revision on the server and create a local commit for it |
| 04:47.18 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, you like mono and C# you say? isn't dotgnu supposed to challenge that? |
| 04:47.18 | SerajewelKS | dark: so it uses git as a backing store for svn data |
| 04:47.44 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, well other than gh0st3r you loves his microsoft, i can't believe you'd say that.. |
| 04:47.45 | yagoo_ | lol |
| 04:47.50 | dark | there is a number of solutions for this problem, but my favorite would be: you don't need to run anything local, at all. you could mount a /test via nfs that will input data into a test server, for example |
| 04:47.59 | SerajewelKS | dark: when you commit with git, you commit locally as usual. "git svn dcommit" pushes each local commit you've made as a separate svn commit. |
| 04:48.03 | dark | in fact i love the thin client approach, *_* |
| 04:48.06 | yagoo_ | thinks some linux geeks are afraid to say they love their windows.. |
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| 04:48.19 | SerajewelKS | dark: sure, but we don't want as many test servers as developers |
| 04:48.33 | SerajewelKS | dark: it makes more sense to have an instance on our box. especially when working from home on my laptop. |
| 04:48.46 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: my only use for windows is (1) games and (2) my job |
| 04:48.50 | dark | no, just one. other approach would be to virtualize the IIS, it's cheap nowadays |
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| 04:49.04 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, and (3), viruses! ;p |
| 04:49.27 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: as dotgnu is another floss CLR implementation, like mono, i'm unsure what exactly dotgnu is supposed to "challenge" -- other than MS's CLR, which mono challenges too |
| 04:49.49 | dark | well, debian has its security issues too, yagoo_ .. |
| 04:50.00 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: i also like C# and Gtk# because then i can worry about adding features and not chasing segfaults, but to each his own |
| 04:50.09 | flaccid | ok so i should create a part/fs for / ext4 and a swap, just use fdisk and mkfs or is there some cooler way? |
| 04:50.17 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, last time i read mono is a subset of the standard.. |
| 04:50.34 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: in fact, i learned C# on linux, and used Gtk# long before i used winforms... but knowing C# gave me more career opportunites |
| 04:50.35 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, Gtk# is stable? |
| 04:50.50 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: gtk# is incredibly stable. where have you been? go look at banshee-project.org |
| 04:50.52 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, C# on linux? huh? |
| 04:51.07 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: it seems you like to argue about stuff you know little about |
| 04:51.13 | dark | yeah, gnome has a lot of mono-powered apps |
| 04:51.16 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, well that's what i've heard.. |
| 04:51.37 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, I didn't say I'm fully acquainted. |
| 04:51.43 | dark | (well i think banshee is not a gnome app anymore, but it used to be) |
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| 04:51.47 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: 90% of the info on the web about mono/C#/.NET as it pertains to linux is incorrect or FUD |
| 04:52.22 | dark | SerajewelKS, i see many interesting languages "in the other camp" |
| 04:52.23 | flaccid | i like to keep things simple and native. this is where python owns, particulary because of how much it integrates with the system |
| 04:52.40 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: my first feelings about C# and mono were that i didn't want to do anything with MS-originated technology. after using mono for a while i realized that's a bad position to hold. |
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| 04:52.56 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: i'd be interested to know how you define "integrates with the system" |
| 04:53.11 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: because i have a feeling that mono+gtk#+gnome# could accomplish roughly the same things |
| 04:53.17 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: there are many modules in core that do so |
| 04:53.36 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: ok, that still doesn't define integration, that merely expands your claim that python does so |
| 04:53.37 | flaccid | wow, 3 things to integrate with the system and its not shell |
| 04:53.45 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, um-- well you seem not to respond to my earlier question.. seems like you are not sure of a thing of two which was why i was asking in a way, isn't "mono" on linux just a "subset".. |
| 04:54.23 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, that's why i mentioned if dotgnu would have any benefits.. |
| 04:54.26 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: speaking in terms of set theory, sure it is a subset of the API. but it's still a pretty complete subset. i have a link to the completion specs somewhere... |
| 04:55.00 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: AIUI, dotgnu is way behind mono in terms of the framework libraries. mono has everything you need to dev linux apps quickly. the stuff that's not implemented is WMI and WPF and crap nobody in the linux world cares about. |
| 04:55.03 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, well you can't say C# on linux, because not all of C# is on linux.. |
| 04:55.03 | flaccid | hey whats the recommend fs for squeeze, ext4 ? |
| 04:55.15 | souffledev | yagoo_, mono is a reference implementation of .NET runtime |
| 04:55.18 | yagoo_ | but anyways.. thanks for helping me.. I think i'll look more into it.. |
| 04:55.19 | yagoo_ | ;) |
| 04:55.21 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: as a language, yes, all of C# is on linux. all of the *framework* is not. |
| 04:55.34 | yagoo_ | ok.. |
| 04:55.40 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: note that the parts mono does not implement, you don't need to dev linux apps, and probably would not even be useful to dev linux apps. |
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| 04:56.02 | dark | flaccid, why not ext3? do you have special needs? i would err in the side of caution |
| 04:56.13 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, what about the successor to C++ ? |
| 04:56.18 | souffledev | ahh well |
| 04:56.19 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: those parts are only needed when porting windows apps to linux. note that mono's winforms library is nearly complete, which means a lot of .net apps run on linux OOTB. |
| 04:56.20 | flaccid | dark: why not ext4 ? |
| 04:56.32 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: which successor are we talking about? |
| 04:56.41 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, the funny oxx+ name.. |
| 04:56.46 | drthodt | my make kernel is failing :/ and im sure its nubish, can someone check? http://www.pastebin.ca/1853666 |
| 04:56.53 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: no idea what you're talking about... |
| 04:56.54 | flaccid | i might give this guy a try, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cfdisk |
| 04:57.27 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, it's actually called C++0x << |
| 04:57.28 | dark | flaccid, hmmm. i'm conservative when choosing how to store my data, because it is valuable (i suppose yours is too) |
| 04:57.41 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, i learned about it several months ago.. and never quite dug into it.. |
| 04:57.54 | flaccid | dark: thats not a reason :) |
| 04:58.04 | dark | flaccid, but well many vendors are considering ext4 as "stable" |
| 04:58.09 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: it's not related to the CLR, and i've never really liked C++ anyway (though i do like C quite a bit) |
| 04:58.15 | flaccid | dark: thus my question |
| 04:58.19 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, it's actually in wikipedia entry, and heck wonder if any C gurus gives a dam ;) |
| 04:58.19 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: so i guess what i'm saying is i don't really know anything about it |
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| 04:58.48 | \amethyst | drthodt: ISTR that kernels that old had problems building with gcc 4.3 |
| 04:58.52 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: anyway, i'm still curious exactly how python "integrates with the system" :) at least in ways mono cannot |
| 04:59.08 | drthodt | ok yeah i read something similar, saying use 4.1 |
| 04:59.16 | drthodt | idk how to get/force 4.1 |
| 04:59.28 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: honestly one of my favorite things about C#/CLR is that you can make calls to native C libraries without writing glue code in most cases. the runtime will write the glue for you, when the program is running. |
| 04:59.44 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: which is a great advantage over JNI, which i tried once and about killed myself |
| 04:59.57 | flaccid | direct syscalls via modules in core. you need a stack in mono |
| 05:00.20 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, I believe you can do this with python no? |
| 05:00.30 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: if by "stack" you mean "library" then sure. but that's still integration -- i can do the same thing in mono by importing a small library. |
| 05:00.42 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: you can do this in a lot of languages |
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| 05:01.01 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, y, with the help of um that swf library |
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| 05:01.21 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: sure thats after you have had to stack 3 different things just to run code |
| 05:01.25 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: SWF (System.Windows.Forms) has nothing to do with making native library calls. that is prat of the framework itself. |
| 05:01.42 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: how is python different? you have python modules... |
| 05:01.46 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I think he's saying "python comes with more libraries out of the box" |
| 05:01.46 | dark | flaccid, IMO you don't need fancy stuff in the core of you system. you need cutting edge user interfaces, apps, etc, but if your current filesystem is sufficient, you will need another only when the nature of your storage changes (for example: one strong motivation for ext4 is doing well with really large drives) |
| 05:01.56 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: a CLI assembly is about equivalent to a python module |
| 05:01.57 | dark | flaccid, but that's just my viewpoint :P |
| 05:02.00 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: you run python and import a module. thats not 5 things, thats 2 |
| 05:02.02 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, no i mean you do need glue code somewhere.. there's a common library used to glue languages together.. it's something called alike swf.. not sure of the exact name |
| 05:02.23 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: sure. i start a mono project and add a reference to Mono.Unix. same difference. |
| 05:02.39 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: then i use Mono.Unix.Syscall.chmod or whatever i fancy |
| 05:02.42 | flaccid | python doesn't need an extra layer like mono |
| 05:02.49 | \amethyst | what extra layer? |
| 05:02.50 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: swig? |
| 05:02.58 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, yeah.. probably that one.. |
| 05:03.00 | flaccid | python is also installed on most distros/os by default |
| 05:03.05 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: extra layer? wtf are you talking about? |
| 05:03.16 | flaccid | i don't see distros doing system stuff with c#/mono, do you ? |
| 05:03.31 | drthodt | suse... |
| 05:03.33 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: flaccid: because i have a feeling that mono+gtk#+gnome# could accomplish roughly the same things |
| 05:03.34 | yagoo_ | flaccid, i know, i'm wondering if its really popular, but i dont think it is.. |
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| 05:03.50 | dark | SerajewelKS, I try to avoid such discussions, but you just talked about the thing I hate with 'enterprise' languages such as java (and c# too). Mono.Unix.Syscall.chmod is very long.. |
| 05:03.53 | yagoo_ | flaccid, the only mono project i can think worth digging into is opensimulator .. |
| 05:03.59 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: ok, and you don't think that the pygtk module qualifies as a "layer" in the same sense that gtk# does? |
| 05:04.03 | drthodt | I liked Java till oracle :/ |
| 05:04.20 | dark | but i'm trying to get used with it :) |
| 05:04.31 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: im not talking about a gui toolkit which actually requires more layers in the stack |
| 05:04.41 | SerajewelKS | dark: of course it is. in a cross-platform framework, namespacing is important to maintain portability. note that you can "using Mono.Unix;" at the top of your file, and then you can call Syscall.chmod() anywhere |
| 05:05.01 | flaccid | lol, you don't have to do that in python |
| 05:05.03 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: then i am utterly missing your point. what is different between .net assemblies and python modules exactly? |
| 05:05.24 | flaccid | SerajewelKS ah man, i aint repeating |
| 05:05.33 | flaccid | go take your babble somewhere else |
| 05:05.40 | SerajewelKS | flaccid: what's the difference between "import pygtk" and "using Gtk;"? you have not yet clarified that. |
| 05:05.41 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, have you checked out other nifties, like wxpython, and what's wrong that the java? java is pretty hard to omit.. |
| 05:05.56 | flaccid | SerajewelKS: i don't wish to continue this. |
| 05:06.01 | yagoo_ | lol |
| 05:06.12 | SerajewelKS | of course not, you can't make a cogent point :P |
| 05:06.16 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, you've been benched too much with winbloze ;) |
| 05:06.24 | flaccid | i made the points, you just didn't listen. |
| 05:06.31 | flaccid | why don't we talk about debian instead |
| 05:07.02 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: heh, go look at JNI and then tell me you want to do native library interop in java. it's like rolling on a bed of nails. |
| 05:07.51 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, i believe java has some features for native threading.. |
| 05:07.58 | dark | SerajewelKS, the problem isn't the support of nesting namespaces, but the overuse of them. but yeah i see your point ^^ |
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| 05:08.33 | SerajewelKS | dark: it's not overuse... Mono(product).Unix(platform).Syscall(facility) makes sense to me. |
| 05:08.39 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, lol , take a look at this->"Access to assembly code" "JNI also allows direct access to assembly code, without even going through a C bridge[4]. Accessing Java applications from assembly is also possible in the same way[5]." (wikipedia!;) |
| 05:08.45 | SerajewelKS | dark: there is pretty much 0% possibility of a namespace clash |
| 05:08.47 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, boom :) |
| 05:09.05 | \amethyst | ... |
| 05:09.45 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: you can accomplish exactly the same thing in C# using a C glue library. but instead of spending 75% of your time writing the glue between the java runtime and the C glue, you'll actually be writing the glue instead. |
| 05:10.33 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: java makes you write the code necessary to marshal things to/from the java runtime, and propagate exceptions manually. mono/.net does not, it handles the marshaling and invokes your C function directly, no fussing about with VM<->lib glue. |
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| 05:11.02 | adb | !ot |
| 05:11.02 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 05:11.03 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: it seems to be sunday today |
| 05:11.23 | wols | !saturday |
| 05:11.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 05:11.34 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, so you still want to use C code? heck, i'm not sure what you're heading into, if u can use the other free language tools that can do the same job no? |
| 05:11.50 | yagoo_ | ok.. |
| 05:11.55 | yagoo_ | i'm gonna help with debian.. |
| 05:11.57 | yagoo_ | lol |
| 05:12.00 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: of course. i don't use C unless i need to (to make complex syscalls and whatnot). |
| 05:12.17 | yagoo_ | SerajewelKS, okok, i trust ya.. up to a point! ;) |
| 05:12.41 | dark | the whole discussion began when SerajewelKS admitted that he uses windows in his job, and actually enjoys programming in C#. some will defend this qualifies as treason (lol), but yeah, it's hardly on-topic =D |
| 05:13.24 | SerajewelKS | haha "admitted" -- makes it sound like i'm ashamed that use a particular platform at my job |
| 05:13.38 | dark | i know you aren't :) |
| 05:13.39 | SerajewelKS | i could care less what platform i use at work, because it's not my computer |
| 05:13.55 | yagoo_ | what i'd like to do is refix/patch the dam terminal access, requiring kernel patching.. i hate having textual tty's mirrorded on my dual screens |
| 05:14.09 | dark | in any case, i wish i knew more about debian. how to use it effectively, etc. sometimes i feel i'm struggling with the system |
| 05:14.11 | SerajewelKS | i like debian and linux because i can do wtf i want with my own stuff. at work all i want to do is the shit i need to do to get paid. and windows lets me do that just fine. :) |
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| 05:15.11 | SerajewelKS | yagoo_: but yes, don't trust anything i say just because i'm in #debian. i encourage you to research stuff yourself. if you stay away from the FUD and the zealots, you might find C# quite palatable and fun to work with. |
| 05:15.26 | yagoo_ | that's good to hear.. it's good to keep track with the rest of the crowd :) |
| 05:15.58 | SerajewelKS | just don't listen to the patent trolls please |
| 05:18.06 | SerajewelKS | goes back to playing non-free games on his windows box, because it's his computer and he'll do what he damn well pleases on it |
| 05:18.45 | flaccid | go to ##emo |
| 05:19.19 | SerajewelKS | haha wow dude, lighten up |
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| 05:19.49 | flaccid | that was my point |
| 05:20.30 | SerajewelKS | oh, i wasn't upset or anything, i just couldn't make heads or tails of what you were saying earlier, that's all |
| 05:22.54 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's because it's 1:30am, who knows |
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| 05:29.03 | andrew1618 | where would debian look for the firmware for an intel pro 2100 wireless adaptor? |
| 05:29.20 | simonrvn | /lib/firmware like everything else |
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| 05:34.56 | flaccid | anyone using xfs for / ? |
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| 05:37.44 | Tramp | flaccid: oh, a poll? well. I do. |
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| 05:38.06 | flaccid | well im just wondering if there is any advantage or problems using it for root / in debian.. ? |
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| 05:38.41 | adb | !tell flaccid -about xfs |
| 05:38.47 | flaccid | danke |
| 05:39.06 | adb | bitte |
| 05:39.12 | flaccid | ok cool, i'll stick to ext3 :) |
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| 05:39.41 | Tramp | flaccid: I avoid file system arguments. They usually turn into wars. |
| 05:39.55 | flaccid | yeah i wasn't after such a thing |
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| 05:41.06 | Tramp | I use it exclusively, I'm happy and I stopped argueing with people who say "for XFS you need an UPS" - of which you find surprisingly many |
| 05:41.17 | flaccid | when creating my partition, should i be labelling it? this is for ext3 / ? |
| 05:41.35 | flaccid | i use xfs in the cloud which was why i was intrested. xfs_freeze is awesome |
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| 05:42.27 | lxsameer | how can i generate a xorg.conf for vesa driver |
| 05:42.32 | lxsameer | !nvidia |
| 05:42.32 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 05:43.16 | lxsameer | !nvidia squeeze |
| 05:43.16 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 05:44.11 | lxsameer | !vesa |
| 05:44.11 | dpkg | VESA stands for "Video Electronics Standards Association" and is a mode that can be used on viedo cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. Not accelerated. |
| 05:44.13 | adb | !tell lxsameer -about selftell |
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| 05:47.07 | flaccid | so there is no harm in labelling my / and swap partitions for identification purposes? |
| 05:48.49 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.35 | flaccid | i assume, the sarcasm, dpkg pulls out a roll of sticky labels, writes "kick me" on them and sticks them all over ; /msg dpkg uuid means i shouldn't be labelling |
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| 05:51.10 | flaccid | my point is that labelling makes it easy to recognise what is what in an fdisk |
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| 05:54.22 | yagoo_ | flaccid, you can rename ext3 anything, the label can even be '/' .. |
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| 05:54.56 | flaccid | cool |
| 05:55.19 | yagoo_ | flaccid, i'd prefer to use the UUID instead of LABEL for fstab.. |
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| 05:56.02 | flaccid | yeah i'm not talking about fstab/mounting in any way |
| 05:56.13 | flaccid | simply viewing partitions in fdisk |
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| 05:57.12 | yagoo_ | flaccid, am not sure about seeing labels for fdisk, probably with gparted you can |
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| 05:57.33 | andrew1618 | ahh yes got it working :D |
| 05:57.49 | flaccid | yagoo_: ah true, you are right. wonder if anything cli can show the part table w/ labels.. |
| 05:58.38 | yagoo_ | flaccid, not sure, but there's a gui app that works well with usb drives.. can be run from non-root account |
| 05:59.13 | flaccid | yeah i just used gparted live cd |
| 05:59.55 | lxsameer | how can i found out the resolutions that my lcd support with vesa? |
| 06:00.17 | flaccid | hmm, gparted does do a mkfs on those partitions right, yagoo_ ? |
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| 06:03.32 | greenmang0 | hello friends... remounting /usr readonly says /usr is busy... what can be done to mount /usr readonly? |
| 06:03.53 | greenmang0 | i tried '# mount -o remount,rw /usr' |
| 06:04.14 | DogBoy | figure out what is using /usr |
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| 06:08.55 | wols | greenmang0: go to single user mode first |
| 06:09.33 | wols | lxsameer: your xorg logs should tell you |
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| 06:10.23 | lxsameer | wols: when i set a wide resolution for vesa in xorg.conf my lcd show nothing ( out of range) |
| 06:11.19 | flaccid | ok cool i got sda3 - 60GB for root and then a ~4GB sda4 for swa |
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| 06:14.19 | flaccid | this is all to run ecualyptus on squeeze amd64 |
| 06:14.21 | adb | 60GB for root ? to much , 5-10 seems usually ok , |
| 06:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | 20! |
| 06:14.33 | flaccid | i got a 1TB system disk |
| 06:14.48 | flaccid | i still have about 700GB left.. |
| 06:14.54 | adb | even |
| 06:15.13 | flaccid | i might end up spooling a lot on root |
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| 06:15.21 | flaccid | its really not an issue. the system disk is not for storage.. |
| 06:15.33 | balazsbela | Hey all. I downloaded the deb from the adobe flash site |
| 06:15.45 | balazsbela | it failed to install and now I get this error everytime I use apt-get |
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| 06:15.49 | balazsbela | E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 06:15.55 | balazsbela | it won't let me do anything |
| 06:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey alone, why did you do that |
| 06:16.01 | balazsbela | nor install nor upgrade |
| 06:17.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude -f install"? |
| 06:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "apt-get -f install" |
| 06:17.38 | flaccid | !flash |
| 06:17.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 06:17.52 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:18.02 | lxsameer | how can i see the hsync and vsync of my lcd? |
| 06:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but first he's gotta fix whatever he messed up |
| 06:18.19 | flaccid | lxsameer: contact manufacturer |
| 06:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, they don't... |
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| 06:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, but your manual should say what range they emulate |
| 06:19.30 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: and what about resolution , i seen a tool that do that in linux , but i cant remember its name |
| 06:20.23 | adb | xrandr? |
| 06:21.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | X should be able to auto-detect when that's possible |
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| 06:21.44 | adb | flaccid, maybe add partitions, for /home and /srv/ , if not yet done |
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| 06:22.20 | adb | lxsameer, but you have a nvidia card ? |
| 06:22.25 | yo_rmn | I can't get to work advenced gnome menu or gnomenu in squeeze 64. no erro msg just wont launch |
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| 06:25.54 | lxsameer | adb: yeah |
| 06:25.59 | adb | lxsameer, why to use vesa ? use ... nothing , or nv |
| 06:26.06 | flaccid | adb: i can always add a home after right? what is /srv ? |
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| 06:26.31 | adb | lxsameer, make sure xserver-xorg-video-nv is installed |
| 06:26.45 | lxsameer | adb: i have some problem with nvidia driver , but i don't know about nv . i want to run X and search in web |
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| 06:28.04 | adb | flaccid, /srv is a space for user or services |
| 06:28.09 | wols | lxsameer: your vsync is immer 50 or 60hz |
| 06:28.23 | wols | !tell lxsameer about errors |
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| 06:29.35 | balazsbela | apt-get install -f doesn't work |
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| 06:29.38 | balazsbela | see this thread |
| 06:29.48 | balazsbela | same problem |
| 06:29.48 | balazsbela | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1141450.html |
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| 06:30.08 | wols | !tell balazsbela about errors |
| 06:30.12 | adb | balazsbela, reinstaleaza Debian , de data asta |
| 06:31.08 | balazsbela | yeah right :D |
| 06:31.15 | balazsbela | no way |
| 06:31.19 | linoge | hi all, tried to install nvidia drivers in debian squeeze through module-assistant and failed. Same gcc version that when i installed the system (two days ago jaja), nvidia-kernel-source installed... don't know what i did wrong... |
| 06:31.28 | linoge | and the log doesn't help me too much |
| 06:31.43 | wols | !tell linoge about errors |
| 06:32.01 | linoge | mmm |
| 06:32.10 | wols | lxsameer: /var/cache/modass should have a log |
| 06:32.45 | balazsbela | ok, fixed |
| 06:32.46 | flaccid | adb: usr or services for what ? im used to /usr and using /usr/home etc. (freebsd) |
| 06:32.51 | balazsbela | the fix is in the thread |
| 06:32.57 | balazsbela | no need for reinstall |
| 06:33.08 | flaccid | maybe the question i should be asking is with eucalyptus, where do the images and instances live ? |
| 06:34.38 | linoge | make outputs error on [module] 1 , [build-stamp] 2, [kdist_image] 2 |
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| 06:36.43 | adb | flaccid, i meant /srv/ is 'home works'/devel for user and/or repository for web site etc |
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| 06:37.46 | elvis | hi guys |
| 06:37.56 | linoge | oh, i followed steps on NvidiaGraphicsDriver page on debian wiki |
| 06:38.17 | elvis | any powerpc user |
| 06:38.44 | flaccid | adb: doesn't make sense |
| 06:38.47 | dondelelcaro | elvis: best to just ask your question |
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| 06:40.21 | andrean | Can you GPL license sound/graphics files? Is that a good license for that? |
| 06:40.40 | dondelelcaro | andrean: yes, marginally |
| 06:40.56 | dondelelcaro | andrean: assuming you actually distribute the prefered form for modification, it's as good as any other license |
| 06:41.03 | adb | !tell flaccid -about fsh |
| 06:41.23 | elvis | yeah, I` ve intalled debian in my old imac g3. and works fine without the X system and any window manager. the problem is I`ve intalled fluxbox and when I type xtartx the computer doesn`t show me anything |
| 06:41.28 | flaccid | you should probably first identify what you want in a license |
| 06:41.30 | linoge | the exact log is at http://pastebin.com/X5y3U0Ci |
| 06:41.33 | elvis | startx |
| 06:42.06 | dondelelcaro | elvis: you'll need to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what happened |
| 06:42.34 | flaccid | adb: /srv/Site-specific data which is served by the system. ... what does that mean? |
| 06:42.40 | wols | linoge: unknown paste id |
| 06:42.43 | andrean | dondelelcaro: alright, I guess that'll work then. Thanks =) |
| 06:42.44 | flaccid | what site are they talking about here |
| 06:42.50 | flaccid | whats a 'site' |
| 06:43.07 | linoge | sorry :S |
| 06:43.08 | linoge | wait |
| 06:43.34 | adb | flaccid, and/or repository for web site etc |
| 06:43.41 | linoge | http://pastebin.com/X5y3U9Ci |
| 06:44.37 | \amethyst | flaccid: a 'site' in this context would be a collection of systems that share a filesystem or filesystems |
| 06:44.42 | andrean | flaccid: Well, the sound and graphics are part of a GPL game I've got on SourceForge, so I really don't care so much about them as about the code. But I was guessing it'd be easiest to just GPL everything |
| 06:46.58 | flaccid | hmm well i'll guess i'll just see where eucalyptus puts things by default first |
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| 06:51.24 | linoge | seems like i have to add unstable to my repositories? |
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| 06:56.25 | sometux | How to install raid drivers during installation, so that linux can see the dik drives?? |
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| 06:59.14 | sometux | I need to install raid drivers during debian installation, HOW????????????? |
| 07:01.47 | linoge | mmm, seems like it ran correctly... solved it, thanks for... well... nothing, i figured it out :P. Hope you don't take it as an offense :) |
| 07:02.03 | iceroot | sometux: mdadm or drivers for the controller because the kernel dont know the controller? |
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| 07:03.57 | sometux | iceroot: intel raid drivers |
| 07:04.13 | wols | !fakeraid |
| 07:04.13 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. |
| 07:04.15 | iceroot | sometux: they are in the kernel |
| 07:04.25 | wols | sometux: are you dualbooting with windows on the raid? |
| 07:04.37 | iceroot | sometux: at ubuntu the alternate cd is detecting fake-raid, so i guess debian will do the same |
| 07:04.37 | sometux | wols: no |
| 07:04.54 | wols | sometux: then you don't want to use any raid drivers and don't enable raid in your BIOS |
| 07:04.58 | wols | !tell sometux about md |
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| 07:05.32 | sometux | wols: I want to enable tha raid |
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| 07:06.46 | sometux | iceroot: what do you mean by fake-raid |
| 07:06.47 | madara | yep, everything working perfectly with nvidia drivers :). So happy i can use debian after 2 years :D |
| 07:07.10 | wols | sometux: you don't have raid |
| 07:07.22 | iceroot | sometux: dpkg tells you already what fakeraid is |
| 07:07.34 | wols | sometux: a raid controller costs several hundred bucks. did you pay that much for yours? |
| 07:07.40 | iceroot | sometux: its software-raid but controlled by the hardware |
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| 07:08.05 | sometux | iceroot: exactly that the case with my server |
| 07:08.09 | schmack | what option requires debian for updating the udev package? |
| 07:08.16 | schmack | CONFIG_SYS etc. i can't remember? |
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| 07:08.22 | iceroot | sometux: if you only have linux on the pc, build an own raid, using software-raid |
| 07:08.31 | madara | how can i modify fluxbox fonts to be like lcds ? |
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| 07:09.28 | sometux | iceroot: its a intel server and I want to enable 'fake-raid' to gain better performance |
| 07:09.31 | lxsameer | i try to install debian stable in a dedicated server as VPS, but when i select install or expert install after some seconds i hear beep and boot menu show up again , how can i find out the problem |
| 07:10.07 | schmack | !dpkg udev |
| 07:10.07 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 07:10.12 | iceroot | sometux: fake-raid dont have better performace as software-raid |
| 07:10.19 | wols | lxsameer: VPSes need customized kernels |
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| 07:10.30 | schmack | !dpkg 70 |
| 07:10.30 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze). If you want the mappings to change, edit this file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 07:10.33 | iceroot | sometux: both are using 100% the cpu and not the hardware-controller |
| 07:10.38 | wols | !tell schmack about msgthebot |
| 07:10.51 | lxsameer | wols: but i install testing in the same way |
| 07:10.56 | sometux | iceroot: are both support hot-swap? |
| 07:11.01 | iceroot | sometux: yes |
| 07:11.22 | iceroot | sometux: or better, fakeraid dnt have hot-swap if i am correct |
| 07:12.21 | sometux | In case I have the system already instaled, do i need to wipe the data to build the raid with linux? |
| 07:13.49 | adb | sometux, running debian ? |
| 07:14.13 | sometux | adb: yes on intel server |
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| 07:14.55 | adb | which debian release? |
| 07:15.06 | schmack | what option requires kernel for updating the udev package? |
| 07:15.21 | jaggz- | feh runs but won't set my desktop background (feh --bg-scale img.jpg) |
| 07:15.38 | sometux | adb: we start getting error meg on the server: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 07:15.38 | jaggz- | anyone know why? debian 5.0.1 running kde |
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| 07:16.08 | sometux | adb: what could be the problem? |
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| 07:16.56 | xxtjaxx | hey folk s my current gnome desktop is annoying it sounds like its pouring sand is that Pulseaudio? |
| 07:17.23 | adb | sometux, asked my question ? |
| 07:17.26 | cahoot | try whitout pa and see/hear? |
| 07:17.33 | jaggz- | R430R: if you were to add 512 to your 430 and display 11 binary digits it would be the same backwards and forwards |
| 07:18.19 | xxtjaxx | jaggz-: what you talking about? |
| 07:18.36 | sometux | adb: yes |
| 07:19.04 | adb | 08:12<adb> which debian release? |
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| 07:19.53 | sometux | adb: kernel 2.6.25 |
| 07:20.12 | lxsameer | does any one installed lenny as VPS before ? |
| 07:20.40 | sometux | ok thanks all! |
| 07:20.53 | schmack | where is a udev log? |
| 07:21.09 | jaggz- | jax, trying to automatically set some text reminders as my desktop background, but feh doesn't set them.. trying to find out why, or another way that works |
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| 07:25.11 | El_Angelo | can i pick one single package from unstable? |
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| 07:27.22 | adb | jaggz-, take a screenshot with your text , get a screenshot.png and try to use it as desktop background |
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| 07:29.16 | streuner__ | El_Angelo: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:31.23 | valdyn | schmack: there isnt one, you can get logging info with udevadm, read the manpage |
| 07:31.35 | schmack | ok |
| 07:31.58 | jaggz- | doesn't work as png either.. maybe feh is not compatible with kde |
| 07:32.50 | schmack | where is CONFIG_DEVFS_FS in kernel? |
| 07:32.54 | El_Angelo | streuner: i hope your are a bot... your answer is too cryptic for me to desipher |
| 07:33.12 | schmack | i can't find it |
| 07:33.50 | adb | jaggz-, use kde config to add desktop background |
| 07:34.31 | streuner | El_Angelo: whats cryptic with ssb? Just read it |
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| 07:35.17 | streuner | El_Angelo: what kind of package is that, btw? |
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| 07:36.21 | jaggz- | adb, this is for a script so it's for commandline |
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| 07:36.56 | El_Angelo | hellanzb |
| 07:37.05 | El_Angelo | i'm running testing btw |
| 07:37.07 | El_Angelo | but nevermind |
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| 07:37.11 | El_Angelo | i just rolled my own package |
| 07:37.22 | El_Angelo | the 5th in this install i believe |
| 07:37.30 | adb | !enter |
| 07:37.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 07:38.21 | El_Angelo | .|. |
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| 07:41.02 | pallgone | hmm |
| 07:41.10 | pallgone | maybe |
| 07:41.12 | pallgone | what |
| 07:41.15 | pallgone | dpkg |
| 07:41.16 | pallgone | says |
| 07:41.18 | pallgone | is |
| 07:41.19 | pallgone | true |
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| 07:42.38 | El_Angelo | it |
| 07:42.41 | El_Angelo | is |
| 07:42.43 | El_Angelo | not |
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| 08:01.02 | lxsameer | does 'apt-get upgrade' upgrade all upgradable package and security bug fixes ? |
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| 08:04.50 | pallgone | !aptitude |
| 08:04.51 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 08:05.06 | pallgone | ehm, sry |
| 08:05.13 | pallgone | !why aptitude |
| 08:05.13 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 08:06.18 | pallgone | lxsameer: and 'man apt-get' should answer your question |
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| 08:31.26 | eml | Hi, what is the package name for the tool that helps set up an X11 config? |
| 08:31.42 | cahoot | X -configure? |
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| 08:33.03 | eml | Yes, that did the trick. Thanks |
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| 08:55.13 | snan | I had a working Xorg but it broke after the last apt-get update; I'm running sid. What are the first troubleshooting steps I can take? I've tried looking at wiki.debian.org/Xorg. I used to have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, just had, in my .xsession and .xinitrc, the following: xrandr --output LVDS --off --output TV --off --output TMDS-1 --mode 1600x1200 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal --output VGA --off && x-window-manager |
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| 08:56.57 | rares | is there an alternative to rootdelay? |
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| 08:57.26 | snan | Now xrandr runs (since the window manager does start) but my screen warns "Signal Out of Range" and I get a super low resolution. |
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| 08:58.02 | rares | i can boot fine from the sda connection but not the usb connection (volume group not found) |
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| 08:59.30 | ignotus | hi, is there a command line utility that gives the last time of a user input (keyboard / mouse) in XOrg? |
| 08:59.36 | rares | is there already a delay in the initscripts in the initram cpio archive which would make rootdelay redundant but still necessary )i like my fast boot) |
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| 09:01.44 | ignotus | ah, xprintidle |
| 09:01.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering if I wanted to take the DVD repository set for Lenny and copy each DVDs contents to a seperate folder on my WD MyPassport USB drive. I know I can manually add each folder as a source. But is there anything special that i need to do to make it work properly for when the drive isn't always plugged in? This is for offline use of course and Im just wondering what would happen if the drive was unplugged and I went to install a |
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| 09:04.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | I guess what Im really asking is if I need an fstab entry when using an external drive as a repo source. |
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| 09:14.55 | wrex | linuxguy2009: you can have a fstab entry but wouldn't have to |
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| 09:15.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | wrex: Ok thats what i figured. thank you. |
| 09:15.44 | wrex | simple one-line bash script would do the same thing |
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| 09:18.21 | SparFuxXx-mobile | how to configure a bonding network device which is automatically configued by guessnet? |
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| 09:28.13 | chrism2671 | How do I force aptitude to ignore a package's broken dependencies (in GUI mode) and install it anyway? |
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| 09:30.26 | snan | I found the answer to my question earlier! In /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/NEWS.Debian.gz something about disabling kms. It seems to work so far. ♥ Debian! |
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| 09:45.07 | wols | chrism2671: you cannot. you can make dpkg ignore it but then you cannot use any apt* program anymore until you fix that |
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| 09:47.38 | chrism2671 | wols, the problem i have is that the versions of libssl that php5-dev and nginx want are different + conflicting. If I want to install one, I have to remove the other. nginx is not from the repo because it is much too ancient, which is the source of my problems |
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| 09:49.35 | chrism2671 | wols, can I get it to just pretend nginx doesn't exist and carry on regardless? |
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| 09:51.17 | wols | the nginx version you run is ancient? |
| 09:51.38 | wols | ,versions nginx |
| 09:51.40 | judd | nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2; etch-security: 0.4.13-2+etch3; etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; squeeze: 0.7.65-2; sid: 0.7.65-4 |
| 09:52.04 | chrism2671 | I installed it out of squeeze |
| 09:52.18 | wols | chrism2671: that's where you went wrong |
| 09:52.21 | wols | !tell chrism2671 about ssb |
| 09:52.31 | chrism2671 | I think so |
| 09:52.46 | wols | do not mix debian branches, or bad things happen |
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| 09:53.28 | chrism2671 | i learnt my lesson the hard way |
| 09:53.35 | chrism2671 | i have been downgrading stuff for hours |
| 09:53.50 | chrism2671 | !tell chrism2671 about backports |
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| 09:55.27 | chrism2671 | wols, can you compile just about anything as a backport, or is it hit and miss? |
| 09:56.04 | wols | depends on the amount and type of dependencies |
| 09:56.49 | chrism2671 | just one dependency, the conflict in version with php5-dev |
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| 09:57.20 | wols | one can edit dependencies too... |
| 09:57.27 | chrism2671 | the version numbers are lenny libssl0.9.8 and required nginx 0.9.8m-1 |
| 09:57.37 | chrism2671 | *required by nginx |
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| 10:02.16 | chrism2671 | wow aptitude won't even let me quit without fixing it |
| 10:02.28 | chrism2671 | oh well it's gone now! |
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| 10:21.52 | SparFuxXx-mobile | I come to the conclusion that the ifupdown mechanism is a mess. And I found netconf which sounds to cope with all the |
| 10:21.55 | SparFuxXx-mobile | flaws |
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| 10:25.33 | rares | need it for nvidia kernel |
| 10:26.04 | SparFuxXx-mobile | rares: I am waiting, too. |
| 10:26.11 | SparFuxXx-mobile | rares: nouveau? |
| 10:26.41 | rares | nouveau supports glx? |
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| 10:35.09 | themill | dpkg: tell grharry about root |
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| 10:37.16 | wols | rares: yes |
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| 10:48.22 | madmuppet006 | I have made a mistake while installing the ati drivers on lenny .. how do I remove them and start again? |
| 10:50.12 | wols | ask ati |
| 10:50.26 | wols | unless you istalled them frm debian repos, then simply uninstall the packages |
| 10:50.31 | wols | dpkg -l fglrx* |
| 10:50.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching fglrx* |
| 10:50.50 | madmuppet006 | wols:thanks for that |
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| 10:55.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hey guys Ive been on Linux for two years now nut have never used a SATA drive on Linux. I'm gonna go buy 2-500GB SATAs today to replace my single 160GB PATA. Compatibility with SATA pretty rock solid? Any hangups/catches I should know about first? |
| 10:57.11 | wols | SATA has been working flawlessly for years now |
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| 10:57.18 | JPT | hm... s-ata runs fine for me... you just need a kernel with s-ata support... |
| 10:57.32 | wols | hard to find one without |
| 10:57.46 | maligor | and sata ports to plug them in :P |
| 10:57.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Lenny is cool with SATA right? |
| 10:57.52 | JPT | if your computers uptime is bigger than 2 years, you might have one :D |
| 10:58.04 | wols | !etch |
| 10:58.05 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 10:58.21 | wols | JPT: and when etch was released, sata has been a long time in the kernel |
| 10:58.47 | JPT | oh :D |
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| 10:59.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | A bit OT but the drives Im looking at say 3Gbps on the box. Is there any noticeable speed improvement over my old 160GB PATA? |
| 10:59.50 | wols | yes, but not due these 3GBps thing |
| 10:59.54 | wols | *due to |
| 11:00.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok |
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| 11:00.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | I figured it was marketing voodoo. |
| 11:00.31 | wols | your disk will get around 80MB/s or so sustained |
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| 11:01.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any apps or command to test my current drive? |
| 11:01.09 | wols | man hdparm |
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| 11:01.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | cool thank you. I totally forgot about that one. |
| 11:01.44 | arcsky | anyone know a good tool for IPv6 QoS ? |
| 11:02.02 | wols | arcsky: iptables |
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| 11:02.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | hdparm -t for simple benchmark run 3x and average? |
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| 11:03.50 | arcsky | didnt know |
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| 11:06.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | My current drive says 70MB per second with "hdparm -t /dev/sda" so Ill get an extra 10MB per second with SATA right? The box makes it sound so much faster. hehe |
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| 11:06.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: how fast is the sata drive? 7200rpm? |
| 11:07.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | 1 sec |
| 11:07.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh you mean the one I currently have. Im not sure really. |
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| 11:07.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, the new one |
| 11:07.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | oh ok 1 sec |
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| 11:08.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Western+Digital+-+Caviar+GP+500GB+Internal+Hard+Drive/8682311.p?id=1197679235869&skuId=8682311 |
| 11:08.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | I dont see a spec for RPM |
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| 11:10.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | New egg says 7200 yeah |
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| 11:11.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm with wols then, doubt you'll get much more out of it (iirc 7200rpm can only put out ~140-150mb/s) |
| 11:11.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
| 11:12.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | 10,000 rpm 300GB is $229. eek |
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| 11:15.06 | rares | linuxguy 2009 if any of those disks are off a usb connector you need rootdelay=10 on the kernel line in grub |
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| 11:18.20 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: not with 250GB platters in the 500GB disks... |
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| 11:23.49 | maligor | 80mb/s for sata is a bit low isn't it, hdparm claims 100MB/s for mine |
| 11:24.06 | maligor | atleast new ones |
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| 11:25.56 | bAndie9100 | how to install lenny within a running etch system? |
| 11:26.06 | bAndie9100 | to a different harddisk |
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| 11:32.23 | wols | bAndie9100: debootstrap. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 11:34.53 | bAndie9100 | gratias |
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| 11:43.10 | doubleclick | how can i make "terminal select-click" copy to be pastable with "right-click - Paste"? |
| 11:43.17 | doubleclick | it's driving me crazy... |
| 11:43.28 | doubleclick | and i'm sure there is a simple solution :) |
| 11:44.52 | doubleclick | stuff that i select-click are only pastable with middle mouse button |
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| 11:45.57 | babilen | doubleclick: right-click - copy ? |
| 11:45.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can't. one is xorg, one is gesktop environment |
| 11:46.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless someones made a tool which does it, but i'm not aware of that tool |
| 11:46.13 | babilen | but that depends on the DE/WM/whatever |
| 11:46.57 | doubleclick | Kamping_Kaiser: so basically it can't be done.. :( |
| 11:47.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | doubleclick: afaik not by defult no |
| 11:47.34 | doubleclick | i don't even have ideas how to start looking for that program/solution |
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| 11:52.30 | error4o4 | has someone eperience with ftplicity+duplicity.. On my Backup server I have there backups sitting that are 8 months old, normally they should be automaticyll removed. ftplicity purge --force doesnt find those old backups |
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| 11:58.14 | error4o4 | cleanup --force did the job |
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| 12:01.38 | Frots | hi guys |
| 12:01.40 | Frots | I did an update this morning |
| 12:01.59 | Frots | and all of a sudsden,I cannot use echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger anymore |
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| 12:24.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:24.31 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
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| 12:29.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 12:48.11 | Lan | hi dudes pls tell me some chan for tcl scritps |
| 12:48.58 | eml | Lan: Try #tcl |
| 12:49.29 | Lan | tenks :) |
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| 12:50.25 | Laberkopf | does anybody here knows how to add windows7 to grub? |
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| 12:52.15 | fe[nl]ix | hi |
| 12:52.51 | fe[nl]ix | squeeze currently ships kernel 2.6.32, on which the TPROXY netfilter module is known to be broken |
| 12:53.21 | fe[nl]ix | what's the fastest way to install .31 or .33 ? |
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| 12:54.27 | xylox | fe[nl]ix, 2.6.30 is in the squeeze repos, you could go with that |
| 12:55.07 | Sandy80d | Boot hangs after /scripts/init-bottom..done, how should I go about troubleshooting, I have booted into livecd, which files should I check? |
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| 12:57.48 | fe[nl]ix | xylox: thanks |
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| 13:08.44 | Mowee | Hi o// |
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| 13:23.52 | fabio333 | hi there |
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| 13:24.18 | fabio333 | someone to help me with firefox? |
| 13:25.11 | Aldus | Hi. My debian server is infected with some malware which caused my sites to be reported on google. It's very hidden (no visible scripts, iframes, .htaccess rules etc.) so I would try with some malware utility. Do you know of any? |
| 13:25.52 | JPT | backups of important data + rm -rf / would be a good start in case of infection |
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| 13:26.59 | JPT | i know of antivir for linux, but i don't think that will help in such a case |
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| 13:27.18 | fabio333 | can u help me with ff? |
| 13:27.28 | Titan8990 | Aldus: rkhunter |
| 13:27.41 | Titan8990 | you mean iceweasel? |
| 13:27.52 | fabio333 | yes |
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| 13:27.58 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 13:27.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:28.04 | fabio333 | can you tell me the version you are using? |
| 13:28.17 | Titan8990 | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 13:28.19 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.8-1; squeeze: 3.5.8-1 |
| 13:28.25 | Titan8990 | 3.0.6 |
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| 13:28.41 | fabio333 | it's about about:buildconfig |
| 13:29.01 | Titan8990 | will you just ask your question already |
| 13:29.18 | fabio333 | the ff i get on ubuntu comes with cairo disabled (--disable-system-cairo) |
| 13:29.35 | fabio333 | so the fonts are not very good |
| 13:29.52 | Titan8990 | fabio333: alright, what does that have to do with debian? |
| 13:30.13 | fabio333 | i would know about the debian version |
| 13:30.23 | fabio333 | i could install that if cairo is enabled |
| 13:30.41 | Titan8990 | fabio333: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:30.43 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 13:30.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:30.56 | Titan8990 | fabio333: and stop cross-posting in channels of distros your not running |
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| 13:31.18 | fabio333 | there is nothing to do with ubuntu : firefox released with ubuntu comes with cairo disabled |
| 13:31.32 | fabio333 | i can install debian packages |
| 13:31.35 | Titan8990 | fabio333: you want to install software in ubuntu, it has everything to do with ubuntu |
| 13:31.52 | Titan8990 | fabio333: we support the debian OS here, not debian packages in somebody else's OS |
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| 13:32.25 | fabio333 | by the way Titan you are everywhere |
| 13:32.37 | Titan8990 | yes, I am |
| 13:32.51 | Titan8990 | everywhere *except* #ubuntu :p |
| 13:33.11 | fabio333 | this is a legal issue |
| 13:33.25 | Titan8990 | well, its not a debian issue |
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| 13:45.45 | g00dwin | sorry for my ugly english :). i have installed lenny base system (minimal install) with debian-504-i386-netinst.iso. i wish to use squeeze (as testing now and as stable later). does this hints correct (in general)? http://go.qb.by/30b2 or i should do something more? |
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| 13:47.07 | Titan8990 | !testing |
| 13:47.07 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 13:47.18 | Titan8990 | g00dwin: do you meet the above requirements? |
| 13:50.11 | adb | !wnt |
| 13:50.12 | dpkg | somebody said wnt was weekend's-next-troll |
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| 13:53.30 | krisfremen | hmm, anyone knows of a cli expense tracking app? |
| 13:55.37 | Titan8990 | that sounds like an odd app to have in cli |
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| 13:56.28 | Titan8990 | usually financial software is all GUI oriented... GNU cash for example |
| 13:56.29 | dutchfish | krisfremen: have you checked tapecalc, i dunno if it is in lenny tho |
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| 13:56.33 | Wizzup | Does debian auto-save iptables rules? |
| 13:56.40 | Titan8990 | Wizzup: no |
| 13:56.44 | Titan8990 | !iptables |
| 13:56.44 | dpkg | The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 13:56.46 | Wizzup | thx |
| 13:56.56 | Titan8990 | Wizzup: and we don't get the nice iptables-save of rhel either |
| 13:57.07 | Wizzup | I hope it doesn't, cause otherwhise I'm f*cked ;-) |
| 13:58.21 | dutchfish | krisfremen: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/tapecalc |
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| 13:58.57 | krisfremen | dutchfish: thanks, i'll take a look |
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| 14:02.08 | krisfremen | looks nice! |
| 14:02.15 | krisfremen | thanks dutchfish |
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| 14:02.26 | dutchfish | krisfremen: have fun |
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| 14:03.21 | krisfremen | dutchfish: anything else similar? |
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| 14:03.31 | dutchfish | krisfremen: not that i am aware off |
| 14:03.42 | Emery | does anyone know what version the lenny kernel is ? |
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| 14:04.21 | rudi_s_ | Emery: uname -a |
| 14:04.32 | Emery | i dont have lenny installed |
| 14:04.35 | Emery | hence the question./ |
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| 14:04.40 | themill | ,kernels |
| 14:04.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 14:05.02 | Emery | alright thanks |
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| 14:11.15 | Aldus | trying to run apt-get upgrade I have this error: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.29_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to create `./usr/bin/dpkg-split': Permission denied. What to do? I can't set permission on /usr/bin! |
| 14:12.44 | Titan8990 | judd: versions dpkg |
| 14:12.45 | judd | dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.28; lenny-security: 1.14.29; sid: 1.15.5.6; squeeze: 1.15.5.6; experimental: 1.15.6.1 |
| 14:12.45 | dpkg | judd: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 14:13.26 | Titan8990 | Aldus: pastebin the full output |
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| 14:13.52 | lv_ | hi guys, i'm running squeeze.. i gotta disable DRI on my xorg .. though i cannot find xorg.conf |
| 14:14.09 | themill | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 14:14.09 | dpkg | goes and sulks in the corner |
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| 14:14.52 | Aldus | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/7TJL1udC |
| 14:15.28 | krisfremen | dutchfish: http://www.gnu.org/software/pem/ |
| 14:15.32 | krisfremen | that looks pretty good too |
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| 14:20.53 | krisfremen | and works good |
| 14:20.57 | krisfremen | kinda weird, but good |
| 14:21.24 | Titan8990 | Aldus: is this an embedded device? |
| 14:21.32 | Aldus | Titan8990: it's a dedicated server |
| 14:21.49 | Aldus | Titan8990: I have this on mount: /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 14:22.22 | lv_ | hi guys, i'm running squeeze.. i gotta disable DRI on my xorg .. though i cannot find xorg.conf --- anyone know where? or how to add a DRI disable flag? |
| 14:22.33 | jhutchins_lt | Aldus: You should not need to change permissions on /usr/bin, root should already have rwx. |
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| 14:24.01 | Titan8990 | Aldus: is it currently mounted ro? |
| 14:24.16 | Aldus | Titan8990: I have no idea, should be rw |
| 14:26.56 | asg | Aldus: what does 'lsattr -d /usr/bin' return? |
| 14:27.27 | Aldus | -u--ia--------I---- /usr/bin |
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| 14:27.40 | asg | Aldus: it's set immutable, that's why you can't change the perms |
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| 14:27.53 | asg | Aldus: man chattr (to find out what those flags mean) |
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| 14:28.39 | lv_ | hi guys, i'm running squeeze.. i gotta disable DRI on my xorg .. though i cannot find xorg.conf --- anyone know where? or how to add a Option "NoDRI" ? |
| 14:28.57 | Aldus | asg: sorry, is there an easy way to fix this? I'm not a guru :( |
| 14:29.14 | asg | Aldus: chattr -i /usr/bin iirc |
| 14:30.02 | asg | Aldus: why it is set that way, I don't know. I'm pretty sure that it is not a standard debian configuration. |
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| 14:30.06 | maligor | lv_, you can use X -configure to create a xorg.conf |
| 14:30.14 | Aldus | asg: chattr: No such file or directory while trying to stat iirc |
| 14:30.25 | maligor | lv_, it might not exist by default now because X doesn't really need it anymore |
| 14:30.49 | asg | Aldus: /usr/bin/chattr is it's default location on Debian. |
| 14:31.03 | lv_ | Maligor what if i'm already running X how do i do that? |
| 14:31.15 | maligor | lv_, then you need to shut it down |
| 14:31.19 | themill | Aldus: quite why these attributes are like this is a question you might like to contemplate quite soon too. |
| 14:31.26 | asg | nods |
| 14:31.29 | lv_ | ok thanks |
| 14:31.35 | Aldus | I had an attack to the server recently |
| 14:31.39 | asg | ah |
| 14:31.55 | Aldus | I found some minute ago some bash user |
| 14:32.05 | Aldus | I am in the process of cleaning and updating the server |
| 14:32.11 | themill | Aldus: then you really need to be reinstalling not mucking about like this |
| 14:32.42 | asg | Aldus: backup your important data and reinstall. Trying to clean things, like themill said, is fraught with peril |
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| 14:33.41 | Aldus | *sighs* |
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| 14:34.09 | Aldus | it's going to take time to have a decent backup. Of course I'm going to ask the farm for a reinstall |
| 14:34.51 | Aldus | but in the meanwhile, is there some way to change this immutability? |
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| 14:38.24 | jaggz | what's supposed to set LC_ALL, LC_TYPE or LANG environment variables in debian? |
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| 14:39.04 | jaggz | LANG seems to be set at login, but once in screen it's gone. |
| 14:39.12 | Fringe | Is there issues with installing netiso of debian on asus eee pc |
| 14:39.25 | asg | Aldus: you'll have to get a chattr binary or find where it is on the system |
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| 14:41.06 | Aldus | asg: I tried to run chattr -d -uia /usr/bin and it changed the attributes. So the chattr binary is here, isn't it?! |
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| 14:42.26 | Aldus | after this, trying to run the update gives this output: unable to make backup link of `./usr/bin/dpkg-split' before installing new version: Operation not permitted (http://paste.debian.net/66143/) |
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| 14:44.37 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 14:45.28 | asg | Aldus: that's likely due to the binaries in /usr/bin also being immutable |
| 14:45.36 | Aldus | asg: lsattr /usr/bin returns this: http://paste.debian.net/66146/ |
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| 14:45.49 | Aldus | seems like EVERYTHING has that flag |
| 14:45.59 | asg | Aldus: yes |
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| 14:46.28 | Aldus | asg: this is not normal, right? |
| 14:46.47 | Aldus | can I remove the flags with chattr -R -uia /usr/bin ? |
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| 14:48.11 | asg | Aldus: it is not normal for those flags, no. I expect your attacker did this. |
| 14:48.25 | asg | Aldus: you can try with the -R, that should do the trick. |
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| 14:48.42 | Aldus | asg for sure he did, maybe he found an exploit in a not-updated version of apache or something and wanted to prevent me from updating |
| 14:49.22 | asg | Aldus: hard to say. At this point, you can't trust that any binary on the system hasn't been compromised. |
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| 14:49.42 | Aldus | asg: by the way I could upgrade now |
| 14:49.51 | Aldus | after removing those flags. At least a temporary solution |
| 14:49.57 | Aldus | but I guess I need my whole serve rreinstalled |
| 14:50.12 | Titan8990 | if it has been rooted, yes |
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| 14:52.21 | Aldus | thank you guys by the way. I guess there is no other chance, after I've been rooted to secure myself |
| 14:52.26 | Aldus | expecially with almost no experience |
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| 14:53.03 | Titan8990 | even with experience, not really |
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| 14:54.12 | Aldus | damn "bong" user :| |
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| 14:57.38 | krisfremen | oh wow... |
| 14:57.41 | krisfremen | NanoNote for 99 bucks |
| 14:57.46 | krisfremen | i wonder if it'll run debian? |
| 14:58.47 | sevenfourk | hello you guys! I want to set up fb resolution of 1024x768, did that in default grub config, wrote GRUB_GFXMODE="1024x768", it affects only the grub OS screen and the first kernel message, then it reverts to 720x480 or so, got ati radeon 9200, any idea what's the prob ? Thanks |
| 15:00.32 | sevenfourk | and btw vga option in kernel command line doesn't work at all |
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| 15:06.11 | SparFuxXx-mobile | Hallo. I don't remember the name, but there is a package replacing ifupdown for advanced users to configure really weird network setups even. |
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| 15:17.36 | manixor | Where cheese save the recorded video? |
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| 15:26.34 | nkuttler | SparFuxXx-mobile: man 5 interfaces ? |
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| 15:35.10 | fredim | I need to download the Debian 4.0 r3, but can not find link |
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| 15:35.34 | adb | fredim, for ? |
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| 15:36.32 | hayleyw | fredim, you know the stable release is 5.0r4, right? |
| 15:36.33 | fredim | accurate with debian kernel from 2.6.11 to 2.6.23 |
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| 15:37.28 | fredim | have another suggestion? |
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| 15:38.32 | adb | 16:32<adb> fredim, for ? |
| 15:39.04 | manhunter | is it correct ? update-rc.d or rc-update ? |
| 15:39.48 | fredim | load a module that only exists for these versions of the kernel |
| 15:40.01 | fredim | make[1]: Entrando no diretório `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-18-generic' |
| 15:40.01 | fredim | make[1]: *** Sem regra para processar o alvo `Source'. Pare. |
| 15:40.24 | adb | fredim, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 15:43.24 | SparFuxXx-mobile | nkuttler: I mean , I remember a ddifferent package to ifupdown, as alternative. |
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| 15:44.25 | intgr | Hi, I used dh_make to generate a "rules" file that uses the following 'install:' line: "$(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/direcserver install" |
| 15:44.49 | intgr | However, it seems that DH itself puts its stuff into debian/tmp and ignores everything in debian/direcserver |
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| 15:45.37 | fixUp | does anyone know how to clear drive entries from /media which end in an underscore ? |
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| 15:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, I think I may have actually made logwatch useful again. |
| 15:48.32 | nkuttler | SparFuxXx-mobile: try apt-cache search ifupdown |
| 15:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | configuration is much clearer than it used to be, and there's an explicit directive to ignore 404's. |
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| 15:52.26 | SparFuxXx-mobile | nkuttler: but I don't mean ifupdown. |
| 15:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: ifconfig, ip |
| 15:52.57 | SparFuxXx-mobile | nkuttler: I know ifupdown and I don'tlike it :-) |
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| 15:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | !tell SparFuxXx-mobile about networking |
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| 15:53.32 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: it was some scripts I thinhk , a debian packages with network config scritps for really advaced setup. |
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| 15:54.06 | SparFuxXx-mobile | cause I don't like ifupdown anymore. |
| 15:54.16 | nkuttler | SparFuxXx-mobile: jeebus, an alternative to ifupdown will most likely have ifupdown in it's description, and the search will list it |
| 15:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: I've never used it. |
| 15:55.19 | SparFuxXx-mobile | nkuttler: thanks1!!!! |
| 15:55.37 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: how do you set up network? |
| 15:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | Usually all I do is edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 15:56.21 | nkuttler | jhutchins_lt: which uses ifupdown.. |
| 15:56.28 | jhutchins_lt | I use ifconfig and /etc/init.d/networking |
| 15:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: I let the system handle it. |
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| 15:57.37 | nkuttler | that's like saying you don't use linux because... you use gnome |
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| 15:58.13 | jhutchins_lt | No, and I don't use gnome. |
| 15:58.15 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: ok, basically I want an ifplugd initiated, guessnet-configured bonding interface of my wlan0 and eth0 on my laptop :-) |
| 15:58.30 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: Go for it. |
| 15:58.59 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: ifupdown is too hacky and nothing really works with it if it just gets complex enough. |
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| 15:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | I think the RH tree don't use ifupdown. |
| 15:59.28 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: the package name I ment is netscript-2.4 |
| 16:00.45 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: How did you find it? |
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| 16:01.40 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: with the apt-cache search idea ;-) |
| 16:01.43 | SparFuxXx-mobile | I said thx! |
| 16:01.58 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: You searched for ifupdown ? |
| 16:02.24 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: Yes! |
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| 16:02.58 | jhutchins_lt | I must confess my networking knowledge is principally of the pre-hotplug semi-static kind, using DHCP to assign consistent addresses, things like that. |
| 16:05.11 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: but you have to admit, it would be cool to have a bonding interface for wlan0 and eth0 on a laptop. yhou run on wlan and if plougged in, eth0 adds to the badnwitdth. both lines are used hten. |
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| 16:05.32 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: plus, you have to admit to have automatically configured "guessnet" stuff, no matter where you are,k network is just there. |
| 16:05.43 | SparFuxXx-mobile | wlan at home, at your gf's home, at schooll.... |
| 16:06.02 | SparFuxXx-mobile | and yhou have to admit it's cool to have stuff automatically reconfigured on plujgging cable. |
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| 16:06.46 | SparFuxXx-mobile | you don't need any knowledge to see it's really practical. well, we have ifupdown, guessnet, ifplugd, bonding of interfaces, but we cannot put them all together. this sucks. |
| 16:07.18 | SparFuxXx-mobile | I tried and I come to the conclusion that ifupdown is too hacky. so I found netconf which is prototype stage unfortunately. |
| 16:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: Actually, I don't have to. I don't like overly automated stuff, I want to know what's going on and to decide whether or not I want it done that way. |
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| 16:08.16 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: Present me with information, let me make the decision. |
| 16:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: Deciding for me is what Mac and Windows do, and I don't like it. |
| 16:08.43 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: you can have that. manually do things. that's what netconf improvevs, too. you can use system tools with it, too. |
| 16:09.23 | jhutchins_lt | People who don't want to know anything about networking should use one of those OSs that doesn't require knowing anything about computers. |
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| 16:09.30 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: no, I configure the network stuff of course. I configure which networks to detect and so on. the only thing is, I don't have to hack in lots of commands every time I change environment. |
| 16:10.23 | jhutchins_lt | I usually manage with a couple of keyclicks. |
| 16:10.45 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: I don't agree with that. Not knowing is different from knowing A LOT and have stuff being more comfortable. What I am trying is not hide every knowledge from myself,but I want to know and find a nice solution for comfortable networking setup stuff with automatic configuration. |
| 16:11.11 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: Well, I think it would even be better to not have to do anything at all. |
| 16:12.12 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: these things happen all day on your system. you plug in a harddrive and you get a filesystem. you don't have to specify every small bit of what the computer has to do all over again. which fs, which data bus, whatsoever. everything is automatically recognised and configured. |
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| 16:12.44 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: and indeed, you can leave compoments off you system, if you don't want plugging detection of cables, well, deactivate ifplugd :-) |
| 16:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: As far as I can see everything already works the way you're saying. |
| 16:13.06 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: if you don't want network automatical configuration: then go and drop guessnet. |
| 16:13.15 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: Did you have a Debian support question? Otherwise this should go to ##linux or #debian-offtopic. |
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| 16:13.41 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: Yes, but the configuration setup is a pain, and I have to ditch ifupdown for it. I cannot use ifupdown the way it is right today. |
| 16:14.03 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: This is not a philosophy or design channel, it is support for Debian. |
| 16:14.15 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: :-) |
| 16:14.40 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: Yes,and I got my support. I know the package I was searching for, is netscript-2.4 |
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| 16:17.20 | jhutchins_lt | SparFuxXx-mobile: Good. I'm not saying your philosophy is wrong, just this isn't the place for it. |
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| 16:18.09 | SparFuxXx-mobile | jhutchins_lt: ok. |
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| 16:22.45 | ax-ax | i have this udev error thingy at boot |
| 16:22.58 | ax-ax | about ATTR and such |
| 16:23.01 | ax-ax | what should i do :s |
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| 16:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | !details |
| 16:23.12 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 16:24.12 | ax-ax | :~# cat /var/log/syslog | grep ATTR gives me some hundred lines of "udevd : SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device" |
| 16:24.59 | ax-ax | actually, according to cat /var/log/syslog | grep ATTR | wc -l, it's 120 lines. |
| 16:25.18 | Titan8990 | ax-ax: you do not need to pipe cat through grep... its redundant |
| 16:25.27 | Titan8990 | ax-ax: grep 'ATTR' /var/log/syslog |
| 16:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | In any case, this sounds like an informational error, not something that would affect the current system. |
| 16:27.34 | ax-ax | it also seems to be /etc/udev/rules.d/libnjb.rules that is guilty of the majority of errors |
| 16:27.56 | xylox | ax-ax, i receive those too |
| 16:28.24 | ax-ax | "ibnjb is a C library and API for communicating with the Creative Nomad JukeBox and Dell DJ digital audio players under BSD, Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. The protocol these devices use is presumably called PDE (Portable Digital Entertainment protocol) at Creative. Newer devices using the Microsoft MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) are NOT supported." |
| 16:28.39 | ax-ax | what? doesn't seem necessary :s |
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| 16:28.45 | ax-ax | how did that get into my system? :s |
| 16:28.53 | wols | ax-ax: recommends |
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| 16:28.59 | Espindarga | hates megavideo & his 72 minutes limit.... ock them all! |
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| 16:29.55 | ax-ax | alright, amarok depends on it |
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| 16:32.26 | ax-ax | i brutally replaced all SYSFS{ with ATTR{, so either my computer explodes or becomes error free |
| 16:32.28 | ax-ax | ok |
| 16:32.38 | Espindarga | :o |
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| 16:33.42 | ax-ax | also |
| 16:34.09 | Espindarga | ax-ax there's no need to replace it... it's only "informational"... I think better wait for new upload by maintainers |
| 16:34.22 | ax-ax | does anybody know why my system hates me when adding usb devices in fstab? like not wanting to boot, and so? |
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| 16:37.48 | bartek | Hi there, I know of using /etc/event.d/ (or well, /etc/init/ now) for Ubuntu .. where is the equivalent directory on a debian lenny system? |
| 16:38.08 | Espindarga | [17:28] <ax-ax> what? doesn't seem necessary :s <=== possibly, you don't have it on your system, maybe it's only udev rules... |
| 16:39.14 | Espindarga | bartek: try /etc/init.d |
| 16:39.29 | ax-ax | Espindarga: I have it on my system, amarok depends on it, and I've modified the rules anyhow |
| 16:39.43 | Espindarga | what package? |
| 16:40.32 | sparr | Can anyone tell me how to get dhclient to not overwrite my resolv.conf, with less trouble than my current solution of copying the one I want back over it once a minute? |
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| 16:41.14 | Espindarga | I have same messages during boot, and haven't any package with *njb installed |
| 16:41.22 | wols | sparr: edit your dhclient.conf and don't let it get DNS |
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| 16:42.37 | sparr | wols: would that be removing "domain-name-servers" from the request line? |
| 16:43.00 | ax-ax | i have libnjb5, and a couple of dbg and dev packages |
| 16:43.15 | wols | sparr: afaik yes |
| 16:43.37 | Espindarga | ax-ax: try aptitude why libnjb5 |
| 16:43.45 | wols | sparr: the old, bad, hack was to simply make resolv.conf immutable |
| 16:44.25 | Mowee | Bonne soiree |
| 16:44.55 | ax-ax | Espindarga; my music player amarok depends on it, that's why ;) |
| 16:45.12 | Espindarga | i don't have it installed on debian sid, and have amarok installer, there's is no dependency on libnjb5 (amarok 2.2) |
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| 16:45.26 | Espindarga | aja, different versions, i supose |
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| 16:49.07 | albech_ | is there a way to preserve user and group on files copied with rsync? i have tried with --user --group with no luck |
| 16:49.22 | albech_ | correction --owner that is |
| 16:49.26 | Titan8990 | albech_: are you copying to a device that support unix permissions? |
| 16:49.35 | Titan8990 | excuse me, filesystem |
| 16:49.46 | ax-ax | Espindarga: i think it could be that i have amarok 1.4 (because it's awesome, of course) |
| 16:49.48 | albech_ | Titan8990, ext3 --> ext3 |
| 16:50.23 | Titan8990 | albech_: most people want to -a, have a look at the options that it includes |
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| 16:50.42 | Titan8990 | albech_: it preserves time, perms, ownership, and makes it recursive |
| 16:51.02 | albech_ | Titan8990, thanks ill have a look at that |
| 16:51.32 | Titan8990 | albech_: note that if you are copying a user with UID 1000 and on the new system, UID 1000 is a different user, `ls` will display the incorrect user |
| 16:51.44 | Titan8990 | albech_: because its all UID and GIDs |
| 16:51.50 | albech_ | Titan8990, that is fine |
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| 16:52.39 | ax-ax | i've also, aside from manually editing the udev rules, downgraded my dosfstools to see if it handles absent vfat systems in fstab better. Rebooting now, godspeed. |
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| 16:55.48 | sparr | wols: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 16:56.35 | Hans-Martin | hi folks, I'm trying to install libx on an S/390 (emulated) debian linux. The page http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libx11-6 claims that it is available, but apt-get says "Package libx11-6 is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
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| 16:57.41 | Hans-Martin | I have added non-free and contrib to the sources.list, but that didn't help. Any APT experts around which could explain this mystery to me? |
| 16:58.32 | justin | Hans-Martin: that package is in main, thus adding non-free and contrib is not relevant to your problem |
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| 16:59.20 | Hans-Martin | justin: yes, it was just an attempt to get it working without understanding how it works :-) |
| 17:00.00 | Hans-Martin | so what can I do instead? I could perhaps download the package file and install it manually, but somehow that's not how APT is supposed to work. |
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| 17:00.46 | justin | Hans-Martin: do you have main in your sources.list? what does apt-get update say? |
| 17:01.02 | zobel | Hans-Martin: what does apt-cache policy libx11-6 tell you? |
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| 17:01.40 | Hans-Martin | justin: yes, main is in sources.list: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 17:02.28 | Hans-Martin | is it ok to paste the 4 lines here? (anti-flood policies might be rigid...) |
| 17:02.31 | zobel | Hans-Martin: for me it says something like this: http://paste.debian.net/66159/ |
| 17:02.40 | zobel | Hans-Martin: use paste.debian.net please |
| 17:02.43 | Hans-Martin | ok |
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| 17:05.04 | Hans-Martin | so here's mine: http://paste.debian.net/66161/ |
| 17:05.50 | Hans-Martin | should I perhaps flush the repository cache? |
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| 17:06.12 | Hans-Martin | does not even know how to do that but will probably find out |
| 17:06.34 | Titan8990 | Hans-Martin: aptitude update |
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| 17:08.48 | vaq2 | Hi a test script had failure and now all my file permissions are owned by the wrong uid/gid causing daemons not to work and so on. Are there any way to sort this issue easy? |
| 17:09.16 | sparr | sudo chown correctuser:group filename[s] |
| 17:09.27 | Titan8990 | sparr: good luck with that... |
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| 17:10.08 | Titan8990 | vaq2: personally, I would just restore a backup. or you can spend all day doing sparr's way, comparing perms to the backup |
| 17:10.15 | Hans-Martin | Titan8990: sorry, "aptitude update" did not help |
| 17:10.19 | uwe | hello! i've posted this on #xen, but allow me to try here too! i've been trying to upgrade a domU to a newer kernel 2.6.26 -> 2.6.32 (running debian) ; domU is 2.6.26, now that i think i broke things really hard ... i wonder is doing that (upgrading the kernel of domU to soemthing newer than dom0) was a complete misunderstanding of what i can do ? trying to upgrade domU from lenny to squeeze ... |
| 17:10.20 | vaq2 | sparr: Iknow that, but this is all files within /, You suggest I go chown every directory manually? |
| 17:10.38 | sparr | vaq2: you changed ownership on every file in every folder? |
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| 17:10.40 | Titan8990 | Hans-Martin: did it appear to work properly? |
| 17:10.53 | vaq2 | sparr: yes |
| 17:10.55 | Titan8990 | sparr: I assumed thats what "all" meant :p |
| 17:11.11 | sparr | vaq2: well, everything in /home/x should belong to x, and everything else should be long to root, except /dev and some other specific exceptions. |
| 17:11.20 | sparr | good luck |
| 17:11.38 | Titan8990 | !testing |
| 17:11.38 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 17:11.44 | Hans-Martin | Titan8990: yes, it fetched lots of things from ftp.de.debian.org, security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org |
| 17:12.58 | Hans-Martin | vaq2: if you do the chown thing, remember that setuid bits might get reset... tricky to find. I've had that on a 400+ domain webserver a while ago... |
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| 17:14.45 | vaq2 | ye, okay. thanks |
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| 17:15.37 | Titan8990 | vaq2: also, its not a very good test if it toast your box. test your script in a vm or something |
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| 17:16.25 | zobel | Hans-Martin: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list please to paste.debian.net? |
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| 17:18.03 | vaq2 | Titan8990: yes your right. |
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| 17:18.39 | vaq2 | I found a snapshot of the vm and I'll just restore the file permission layout from that |
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| 17:21.56 | LinuxMercedes | /server irc.saurik.com |
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| 17:22.58 | Hans-Martin | zobel: http://paste.debian.net/66162/ |
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| 17:23.08 | Hans-Martin | zobel: there's nothing unusual in it. |
| 17:23.21 | Hans-Martin | zobel: and other packages installed nicely |
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| 17:37.58 | Hans-Martin | weird... I've switched to ftp2.de.debian.org, and now apt-get policy shows the package... thanks for all the help anyway! |
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| 17:43.41 | JyZyXEL | at which point in the boot process is the root partition mounted? |
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| 17:43.57 | JyZyXEL | to / |
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| 17:44.18 | Old_Spike0 | Hi. Any trick to install with lenny's netinstall and not being stuck (possibly due to low memory) in a Pentium MMX 233, 48 MB RAM? |
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| 17:45.35 | manixor | Hello. What is the best method to use ntfs partitions, ntfs-3g or ntfsmount? |
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| 17:47.05 | SKOM | i preffer ntfs-3g |
| 17:49.54 | manixor | SKOM Why? You tried ntfsmount? I tried only ntfsmount since now, and I was not very satisfy, because, a lot of time, I was need to login on windows, to check the partition, like windows set the partition to be checked even if I not use windows at all. |
| 17:50.32 | wols | Old_Spike0: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-setup section 6.3.1.1 |
| 17:51.04 | SKOM | manixor: i don't use ntfs any more. But i used ntfs-3g and didn't have problems like this… |
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| 17:51.49 | manixor | SKOM: OK, thank's. I will try ntfs-3g, to check how working with it. |
| 17:52.19 | SKOM | manixor: good luck |
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| 17:57.47 | Psi-Jack- | CLI? No. TUI. ;) |
| 17:58.00 | Old_Spike0 | Thank you wols . That gives me some useful things to try. |
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| 17:59.16 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:59.44 | jhutchins_lt | Old_Spike0: Wow. Upgrade the RAM? |
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| 17:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | Old_Spike0: How much hard disk does that thing have? |
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| 18:00.28 | bartek | has anyone used daemontools on a debian machine? I've done it before on Ubuntu, setting up an /etc/service/<appname>/run type files to keep things moving, but debian doesn't seem to have the same process. |
| 18:01.16 | Old_Spike0 | jhutchins_lt: an upgrade is not an option. It is an old digital HiNote VP, with 4 GB of HDD. |
| 18:01.18 | jelly-home | bartek: uh, yes it does? |
| 18:01.31 | xingu | !describe daemontools-run |
| 18:01.57 | jhutchins_lt | Old_Spike0: Marginal but possible. Debian may be a bit heavy, you might want to look at DSL or Puppy if it gets frustrating. |
| 18:02.09 | xingu | !info daemontools-run |
| 18:02.11 | xingu | there we go. |
| 18:02.13 | dpkg | daemontools-run: (daemontools service supervision), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:0.76-3 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 18:03.03 | jelly-home | bartek: is svscan running? Have you set up its inittab entry, or used the package xingu just referenced to set it up? |
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| 18:04.01 | Old_Spike0 | jhutchins_lt, not really distros to my taste, I tried Slackware, but 12.1 onwards also fails. It currently has OpenBSD 4.6 |
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| 18:04.11 | jelly-home | s/its/svscanboot/ |
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| 18:06.58 | bartek | jelly-home: svscan doesn't seem to be running. I haven't done anything past installing daemontools .. I looked into the docs but cant find specifics as to what to do next |
| 18:07.45 | jelly-home | bartek: install daemontools-run |
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| 18:08.14 | bartek | ah :) |
| 18:08.17 | bartek | now svscan is running |
| 18:08.32 | bartek | looks like it's also scanning /etc/service for entries, woo |
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| 18:10.59 | bartek | woo, got it working! thanks jelly-home ... queue app is running smooth now |
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| 18:12.25 | Kammy | Hey |
| 18:12.49 | nas | I cant get java to work in iceweasel |
| 18:12.55 | nas | about:plugins lists it |
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| 18:13.02 | nas | but applets wont run |
| 18:13.13 | wols | nas: which jre is it? |
| 18:13.19 | nas | I tried 2 |
| 18:13.22 | Kammy | Don't worry |
| 18:13.29 | nas | I tried with the latest version from there website |
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| 18:13.41 | nas | and also with apt-get version |
| 18:13.45 | wols | it's nice how you misuse the enter key while evading the question. have a nice day |
| 18:13.57 | nas | Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_18 |
| 18:14.16 | nas | ? |
| 18:15.02 | nas | I was getting the version number |
| 18:15.04 | Titan8990 | nas: you should come to #debian before doing something like grabbing java from upstream, which will not be supported here |
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| 18:16.36 | EagleWatch | hi! can you tell what cause postfix and dovecot to give me a "Fatal: setgid...Operation not permited" error? |
| 18:16.36 | nas | im using the version I listed right now which was installed by apt |
| 18:16.45 | dark | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pygame/python-pygame_1.8.1release-1.1+b1_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80], hm.. i guess i need to do aptitude update first :P |
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| 18:17.23 | Titan8990 | nas: what is the name of the package? |
| 18:18.35 | dark | Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main python-pygame 1.8.1release-2 [1048kB], installed.. i didn't knew that debian regularly deleted packages (from testing), but it seems reasonable |
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| 18:19.05 | nas | sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:19.54 | Titan8990 | nas: update-java-alternatives --config |
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| 18:20.42 | nas | lists the usage screen |
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| 18:22.48 | Titan8990 | nas: ... update-java-alternatives --config <foo> |
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| 18:23.05 | Titan8990 | but I am guessing that "usage" already told you that |
| 18:23.55 | nas | nope |
| 18:25.05 | nas | config isnt even an option |
| 18:26.21 | nse | Does anyone know how to log in phpmyadmin without a password? |
| 18:27.46 | jelly-home | nse: have you forgotten your mysql root password? |
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| 18:28.56 | jelly-home | nse: :/msg dpkg ifmrp" if that's the case |
| 18:29.18 | jelly-home | "/msg dpkg ifmrp" |
| 18:29.49 | nse | jelly-home: Are both mysql and phpmyadmin password the same? |
| 18:29.59 | nse | *passwords |
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| 18:30.48 | jelly-home | nse: yes, that's what phpmyadmin connects to |
| 18:31.12 | nse | jelly-home: Oh you probably don't want to know what happened to me! |
| 18:31.31 | jelly-home | I probably don't. |
| 18:32.02 | nse | Ok, thank you very much, jelly-home! |
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| 18:36.46 | jhutchins_lt | I think phpmyadmin used to use it's own password system - I think htaccess was an option for a while - but now it uses the mysql table. |
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| 18:46.29 | remur_030 | howdy y'all, is there a way to let gdm start only on screen 0 and use something else on screen 1 (both are seperated in the xorg.conf) |
| 18:46.42 | tziku | hello, any utility to see HDD usage ? |
| 18:46.53 | mutewit | tziku: iotop? |
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| 18:47.17 | Dunedan | tziku: df |
| 18:47.37 | mutewit | tziku: Disk usage or I/O usage? |
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| 18:48.53 | tziku | i want to see disk usage (read and write speed), not free space. I installed "iotop" and is ok. |
| 18:48.55 | tziku | thanks |
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| 18:49.43 | peleczek | hi all |
| 18:51.07 | peleczek | i updated my debian squeeze and got some strange problems - xset - b doesn't work ; my xterm configuration is lost ; is it normal? |
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| 18:55.25 | smhar | I have a usb E1820 hauwei device that I connect to internet with using wvdial in squeeze. sometimes it disconnects and I need to re-run wvdial again. Is there a way to make it re-run anytime it is disconnected? |
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| 18:57.03 | daltio12 | guys i want to have passwaord xpiry thing on my root , plz guide me is it good or bad |
| 18:57.10 | musca | peleczek: while thinking about reasons you could run memtest |
| 18:58.01 | peleczek | ok |
| 18:58.03 | peleczek | brb |
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| 19:02.51 | smhar | maybe a command line option or a one line bash script to make the program rerun every time it exists |
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| 19:05.17 | guest_007 | Hi, i am booting from custom live cd. Why does i have only 885 mb memory available? I have 4gb |
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| 19:07.45 | nse | It doesn't work jelly-home. The terminal is even not responding to a Ctrl^C. What's wrong? |
| 19:09.01 | nse | This is the output I received so far: http://pastebin.com/Pkwdzz4h |
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| 19:11.38 | StCyr | Hi! On debian squeeze, using gnome, it seems that my dvd writer (LG) is not recognized. Any pointer to some troubleshooting guide? |
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| 19:12.22 | StCyr | wodim -scanbus finds my dvd writer but gnomebaker doesn't |
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| 19:14.27 | bluesilver39 | where does debian put php error logs? |
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| 19:14.54 | Vroomfondle | bluesilver39: IIRC they go into the apache error log by default. |
| 19:15.07 | bluesilver39 | wheres that usually at ? hehe |
| 19:15.28 | Vroomfondle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:17.06 | bluesilver39 | yea |
| 19:17.10 | bluesilver39 | hmm the errors are still not there |
| 19:17.23 | nse | I probably have to run the daemon on the background. |
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| 19:19.03 | Matic`Makovec | bluesilver39, /var/log/php5 |
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| 19:20.03 | bluesilver39 | i dont see that folder Matic`Makovec |
| 19:21.06 | Vroomfondle | bluesilver39: just set it to whatever you want in php.ini |
| 19:21.09 | Vroomfondle | might be easiest. |
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| 19:24.44 | BLubba | hi kann mir jemand helfen ich habe zoneminder installed bekomme aber blaues bild ? |
| 19:25.41 | Doris | BLubba: hier könntest mit english besser klar kommen ;) |
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| 19:28.03 | StCyr | Which package should this bug be assigned to? |
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| 19:28.18 | StCyr | upgrade to squeeze change cdrecord to wodim |
| 19:28.21 | rvsjoen | blubba: #debian-de |
| 19:28.36 | StCyr | but pseudo package cdrecord is not installed |
| 19:28.37 | StCyr | ? |
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| 19:29.05 | StCyr | wodim? |
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| 19:31.01 | cahoot | hasn't cdrecord been substituded for wodim since lenny? |
| 19:31.22 | RichiH | it has |
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| 19:31.43 | marcin__ | Hi, can U look at http://pastebin.org/126230 and explain me why echo $PRELOAD_LIBS shows nothing, but I can see clearly via bash -x that PRELOAD_LIBS variable is not empty. :/ |
| 19:31.58 | cahoot | i e fronm etch->lenny |
| 19:32.29 | RichiH | cahoot: it would say 'during the time lenny was testing' |
| 19:32.30 | cahoot | or even in earlier? |
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| 19:32.36 | cahoot | ok |
| 19:32.47 | RichiH | no idea about the exact migration date |
| 19:33.19 | \amethyst | marcin__: pipes create subshells |
| 19:33.32 | \amethyst | marcin__: variables set in a subshell don't affect the parent shell |
| 19:33.50 | RichiH | s/don't/must not/ |
| 19:34.05 | \amethyst | marcin__: does this need to be a /bin/sh script, or can you make it into a /bin/bash script? |
| 19:34.06 | RichiH | i.e. it's a secutiry feature |
| 19:34.15 | \amethyst | RichiH: huh? |
| 19:34.40 | jelly-home | nse: sorry, what does not work? |
| 19:34.42 | marcin__ | \amethyst: it can be /bin/bash. |
| 19:35.23 | \amethyst | marcin__: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/024 has a few solutions |
| 19:35.26 | RichiH | secutiry? and i am not even drunk :p |
| 19:35.46 | \amethyst | marcin__: probably the simplest with bash is to use while read..... done < <(cat $TEMP | grep | awk) |
| 19:35.55 | \amethyst | marcin__: though that cat is unnecessary |
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| 19:36.22 | xingu | !uuoc |
| 19:36.22 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 19:36.26 | marcin__ | \amethyst: I'll read it. Thanks. |
| 19:36.43 | \amethyst | marcin__: another way would be to have the echo on the RHS of the pipe |
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| 19:37.03 | \amethyst | marcin__: grep | awk | { while read....done; echo $PRELOAD_LIBS; } |
| 19:37.17 | xand | cat | grep is useful if you want to change what you're grepping for in the same file |
| 19:37.19 | jelly-home | meow |
| 19:37.27 | xand | with less typing |
| 19:37.40 | \amethyst | xand: you can write < file grep foo |
| 19:37.41 | rvsjoen | I also find cat | grep slightly easier to use when you have to try/fail to build your expression, as the expression is always at the end |
| 19:37.57 | jelly-home | \amethyst: o.O |
| 19:38.05 | xand | yes what rvsjoen said |
| 19:38.32 | \amethyst | though I guess putting the redirection first might be considered a readability problem :) |
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| 19:39.12 | xingu | \amethyst: awk has regex too ;) |
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| 19:40.37 | olivier__ | Hi, I'm reading http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html#PORTMAPPER-SECURITY which says that 'strings /sbin/portmap | grep hosts' should output /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny if it is securable. But it is not on my Debian Lenny box. Is there a way I can update my portmap version? |
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| 19:42.13 | xingu | ldd's a shellscript these days too, essentially just sets LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 amongst other bits and bobs. |
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| 19:42.44 | \amethyst | vhann: that FAQ is wrong |
| 19:43.02 | \amethyst | vhann: in Debian, /sbin/portmap is linked against libwrap0 |
| 19:43.15 | \amethyst | vhann: it's libwrap0 that does the hosts.allow/hosts.deny processing |
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| 19:43.58 | peleczek | i've made an update to squeeze. i've done it plenty of times (i've got it for 7 months now). but now xset -b doesn't work and i've lost my xterm configuration |
| 19:44.11 | \amethyst | vhann: you can verify by ldd /sbin/portmap to see that it links against libwrap, then strings /lib/libwrap.so.0 | grep hosts |
| 19:44.37 | vhann | \amethyst, Ah ok, thanks |
| 19:44.38 | \amethyst | vhann: or by reading the portmap manpage, which explicitly mentions hosts_access and hosts.allow |
| 19:45.13 | RichiH | fwiw, as it's missing from the greycat's FAQ, i prefer the form of http://pastebin.org/126242 |
| 19:45.21 | \amethyst | vhann: the manpage also has an important caveat: you can only use numeric addresses, not hostnames |
| 19:45.23 | nse | jelly-home: The procedure doesn't work. I've changed the information in the rows of the mysql table successfully but phpmyadmin refuses to login. Now it's not showing any error messages even. |
| 19:45.34 | \amethyst | vhann: (for portmap specifically, not for everything in hosts_access) |
| 19:45.50 | simonrvn | vhann: it should have hosts_ctl |
| 19:45.53 | jelly-home | nse: ah. Does mysql command line client work? |
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| 19:46.14 | \amethyst | vhann: ah, the HOWTO mentions that as well |
| 19:46.17 | nse | jelly-home: Yes it works. |
| 19:46.21 | simonrvn | vhann: but the libwrap thing with ldd is cool too. that's what matters |
| 19:46.55 | vhann | Thanks for the info guys :) |
| 19:47.12 | nse | jelly-home: It seems phpmyadmin uses a different password. |
| 19:47.26 | jelly-home | nse: no idea then, you could check your web server's error.log for clues |
| 19:47.27 | \amethyst | simonrvn: btw, has the hosts_ctl manpage disappeared, or did it never exist in Debian? |
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| 19:48.00 | \amethyst | simonrvn: never mind |
| 19:48.11 | \amethyst | simonrvn: thought I had libwrap0-dev install |
| 19:48.18 | \amethyst | simonrvn: ed, but I don't |
| 19:48.20 | nse | jelly-home: I don't know where this file is located. |
| 19:48.27 | vhann | Ahh, I see, the tldp.org HOWTO was last updated in 2002, must be why it doesn't talk about libwrap ^^ |
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| 19:48.59 | simonrvn | yeh it's there. last time i read that was like 5 years ago O_O |
| 19:49.17 | jelly-home | nse: apache logs are somewhere under /var/log/apache* by default |
| 19:49.31 | nse | jelly-home: All right! |
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| 19:54.20 | xok | hello... |
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| 19:54.32 | agaran | bye |
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| 19:54.38 | xok | my 64 bit version of debian sees only 2,5GB of memroy though it has 4GB... |
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| 19:55.35 | xok | can anyone help?... |
| 19:55.39 | whalalla | Hi guys I wanted to fixmbr ( win 7 ) but I only have the recovery dvd. Is there any tool to do it from usb? |
| 19:56.01 | cahoot | ask ##windows |
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| 20:03.25 | nse | This totally insane. I was so effusive to work with the database. A single random password script which I accidentally invoked changed everything today because I am trying to resolve this issue for hours. phpmyadmin and mysql do not share the same passwords and Debian works different in what concerns phpmyadmin configuration so does this seems that the only way to resolve my problem is to contact the debian maintainer of the package? |
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| 20:06.27 | jhutchins_lt | nse: No. |
| 20:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | What release are you on? |
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| 20:08.36 | nse | I am on phpmyadmin 4:3.2.5-2. |
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| 20:08.46 | vhann | Is there a ifup/ifdown way to enable wake-on-lan? |
| 20:09.10 | jelly-home | ,versions phpmyadmin |
| 20:09.12 | judd | phpmyadmin -- etch: 4:2.9.1.1-10; etch-security: 4:2.9.1.1-13; lenny: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny3; squeeze: 4:3.2.5-2; sid: 4:3.3.1-1 |
| 20:09.19 | jhutchins_lt | nse: What release of debian? |
| 20:09.33 | jhutchins_lt | Of course, testing. |
| 20:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | On a production server no doubt. |
| 20:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | Did you read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
| 20:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 20:09.58 | nse | No. |
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| 20:11.12 | jhutchins_lt | But you're gonna harass the maintainer about not understanding how to set it up. No. Read the docs. If you don't understand htascess/htpasswd, read their docs. |
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| 20:12.05 | rxt0 | I'm having random hard lockups when copying over smb/nfs with no kernel panic neither errors logged, any clue? |
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| 20:13.45 | orioni | hi there |
| 20:14.02 | orioni | during the installation of debian is it possible and how to install without the man pages ? |
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| 20:14.11 | orioni | i have only 2 gb hdd |
| 20:14.32 | jhutchins_lt | nse: The problem may be that you're running ahead of the documentation by running testing. |
| 20:14.35 | stockholm | thats plenty for the base install |
| 20:14.53 | nse | This is great jhutchins_lt, thank you very much. Is this pathway common to find useful documentations for packages? or Do you have a rule on how to find proper help for general problems? |
| 20:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | nse: According to the current stable readme, you do need to use the htaccess password to run the setup script. It says how. |
| 20:15.16 | stockholm | orioni: once that is done you can link the man directories to a ramdisk and remove them later on. |
| 20:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | According to other docs, it should just use your mysql authorization, which is what I think I remember using. |
| 20:15.17 | orioni | stockholm : yes but i dont want the man pages at all |
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| 20:15.32 | lindi- | orioni: you can remove them without much harm but debian itself does not support it |
| 20:15.34 | stockholm | orioni: yeah, get rid of them |
| 20:15.43 | orioni | ok thanx |
| 20:15.48 | stockholm | orioni: same with /usr/share/doc |
| 20:15.49 | jhutchins_lt | It may be necessary to put authentication info in the "include" file in order to access the database, but I don't think that's the way Debian means to do it. |
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| 20:16.02 | lindi- | stockholm: removing /usr/share/doc might cause trouble |
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| 20:16.22 | stockholm | lindi-: with which packages? |
| 20:16.30 | stockholm | what kind of trouble? |
| 20:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | nse: It's always a good idea to check for a README.Debian file - it will hopefully tell you how Debian has changed the package, if anything, and how to do a Debian specific setup. |
| 20:16.39 | lindi- | stockholm: some kde/gnome packages access it at runtime and can crash if it is missing? |
| 20:16.51 | stockholm | i have not seen that |
| 20:16.58 | nse | jhutchins_lt: There is something I didn't tell you which can change everything. There is no data in the server. Can I simple --purge the package and come on with something plain to setup a new root password? |
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| 20:17.07 | jhutchins_lt | nse: It's also a good idea to check release notes, changelogs especially when changing releases, and have a look at the wiki. |
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| 20:17.28 | jhutchins_lt | Debian _does_ tend to do things it's own way, so being familiar with a package from another distro can be a disadvantage. |
| 20:17.30 | stockholm | but i doubt that orioni will install gnome or kde if he has only 2G |
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| 20:17.42 | jhutchins_lt | nse: Yes. |
| 20:18.06 | jhutchins_lt | nse: Make sure after the purge that /var/lib/mysql is gone and you should be fine. |
| 20:18.10 | orioni | no gdm |
| 20:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/share/doc can be your only hope to recover a messed up package database |
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| 20:18.28 | jhutchins_lt | nse: You might want to check the MySQL docs for how Debian installs it - it does most of the work for you. |
| 20:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | nse: In fact, it does some unique stuff with the root password as I recall, and can use an alternative account to start/stop the server, so best to read up on it. |
| 20:19.00 | nse | jhutchins_lt: Do I need to purge both mysql and phpmyadmin or only the latter would do the trick? |
| 20:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | I had some trouble. |
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| 20:19.32 | jhutchins_lt | nse: I think I'd do both, and read the mysql docs for debian. Make sure they're still current for squeeze too. |
| 20:20.36 | nse | This is great. Thank you very much, jhutchins_lt. I'll let you know if everything goes fine. |
| 20:21.24 | jhutchins_lt | nse: Good luck with it. As usual, it's easy to make it harder than it needs to be <grin>. |
| 20:21.44 | jhutchins_lt | (Believe me, I know about reading the docs first from the many times I failed to.) |
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| 20:24.43 | jaggz | Mar 27 13:16:59 bdh kernel: [15463.85320] IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=03:a3:56:34:e6:85:03:34:13:46:64:1a:8d:00 SRC=192.168.1.29 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=32 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=41637 PROTO=2 |
| 20:24.50 | jaggz | Anyone know why my messages log is filled with these? |
| 20:25.11 | jaggz | Actually that looks like it's a windows system generating it.. wait a sec.. what in the world.. |
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| 20:25.53 | \amethyst | jaggz: you have an iptables rule with the LOG action, probably |
| 20:26.02 | lindi- | jaggz: looks like multicast dns |
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| 20:26.29 | zcat[1] | trying to make debian more forgetful; how do I configure it so it doesn't store thumbnails or recent documents? |
| 20:27.11 | chops1 | zcat[1]: You probably don't mean "Debian"; you mean "nautilus" (or whatever file browser you're using) |
| 20:27.31 | zcat[1] | ok, nautilus, gnome, wherever it happens.. |
| 20:28.00 | jaggz | Amethyst, interesting.. I don't recall doing much with iptables logging (not sure where that's configured even) but there are indeed LOG entries in all 3 chains |
| 20:28.09 | \amethyst | zcat[1]: for thumbnails in GNOME, you can run gconf-editor and disable everything under desktop->gnome->thumbnailers |
| 20:28.21 | chops1 | Also, does anyone know how to do ssh with X forwarding? I've done what the factoid said and I get "Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding." and no working X forwarding. I seem to have to deal with this every time I try a forwarded X session, and I always forget what it is that gets it working... |
| 20:28.30 | zcat[1] | I've set it to not display thumbnails but it still seems to be generating them in .thimbnails ? |
| 20:28.44 | zcat[1] | *.thumbnails I mean |
| 20:28.57 | chops1 | jaggz: It's not configured in any standard place; different scripts will run the iptables binary at different times to set it up |
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| 20:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | zcat[1]: iptables -l |
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| 20:30.12 | jhutchins_lt | zcat[1]: Did you install a firewall package? |
| 20:30.43 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: did you mean that for jaggz ? |
| 20:30.51 | surf_ | it's impossible to find solution to this. Notebook Asus - tried debian squeeze - lenny - different kernels - udevd --daemon 100% of both cpus. |
| 20:30.52 | jhutchins_lt | zcat[1]: right, just because it doesn't display them doesn't mean it doesn't at least set up the structure to maintain them. |
| 20:31.11 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: Ooopps. Yeah. |
| 20:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: Did you install a firewall package? |
| 20:31.29 | chops1 | Ah, google helps |
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| 20:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: iptables -l will show what your current rules are. |
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| 20:31.46 | zcat[1] | ahh crap, that's a lot of things to dissable... |
| 20:31.46 | jaggz | yeah.. that's how I saw them, jhutchins |
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| 20:31.58 | jaggz | oh.. firewall package? no.. |
| 20:32.15 | jaggz | not deliberately |
| 20:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | zcat[1]: Gnome is pretty incompatible with your desire to run a simplified system. |
| 20:32.26 | jaggz | zcat, I enjoy kde |
| 20:32.33 | surf_ | does anyone have an idea about the udevd --daemon running 100% of cpu all the time? |
| 20:32.38 | zcat[1] | ok never mind thumbs, I can live with them. history? |
| 20:32.49 | zcat[1] | should I just give up and switch to kde? |
| 20:32.52 | azeem_ | surf_: check the logfiles under /var/log for clues, maybe |
| 20:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | surf_: hald_storage_addon? |
| 20:33.00 | jaggz | my udev is 0.0 |
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| 20:33.29 | jaggz | watch out for hald.. that thing can get stuck sucking up 100% cpu I've found. |
| 20:33.46 | surf_ | how can I figure it out? |
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| 20:34.01 | azeem_ | surf_: figure what out? |
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| 20:34.18 | chops1 | dpkg: sshx is You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X TCP support are necessary. Set "X11Forwarding yes" _on the remote server_ (in /etc/ssh/sshd_config), set "ForwardX11Trusted yes" on the machine you're connecting from (in ~/.ssh/config), and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisa |
| 20:34.18 | dpkg | ...but sshx is already something else... |
| 20:34.27 | surf_ | azeem_, the logs are kinda clear. What can I check for hald? |
| 20:34.33 | chops1 | dpkg: forget sshx |
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| 20:34.38 | azeem_ | chops1: please /msg th ebot |
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| 20:34.58 | zcat[1] | perhaps I should just set up something to delete .recent-history and .thumbnails on shutdown. |
| 20:35.09 | chops1 | azeem_: Sorry, I thought better ettiquette was to make it clear when I was monkeying with it |
| 20:35.17 | chops1 | !sshx |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | hmm... sshx is You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X TCP support are necessary. Set "X11Forwarding yes" _on the remote server_ (in /etc/ssh/sshd_config), set "ForwardX11Trusted yes" on the machine you're connecting from (in ~/.ssh/config), and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation |
| 20:35.25 | azeem_ | chops1: most people will not read scrollback anyway |
| 20:35.45 | azeem_ | chops1: it's chopped off at "Authorisation[...]" |
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| 20:36.04 | surf_ | jhutchins_lt, what do you mean? When I plug a new device? |
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| 20:38.22 | surf_ | jaggz, how can I do that? |
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| 20:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | surf_: No, but there's some known bugs with the addon thing scanning stuff like CD's that aren't really there. |
| 20:41.35 | chops1 | !sshx |
| 20:41.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshx is You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Set "X11Forwarding yes" _on the remote server_ (in /etc/ssh/sshd_config), set "ForwardX11Trusted yes" on the machine you're connecting from (in ~/.ssh/config), and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x>. |
| 20:41.48 | surf_ | jhutchins_lt, oh I see. So what can you tell me? |
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| 20:44.54 | jhutchins_lt | surf_: teh google, it is your friend. |
| 20:45.17 | surf_ | not tha much |
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| 20:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: I just enable x forwarding on my systems. I run kmail on my desktop with the display forwarded here. |
| 20:46.38 | jhutchins_lt | just log in over ssh, start the program. |
| 20:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | google, google in the net, solve my problems, dry or wet |
| 20:49.55 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: The steps I listed were necessary for me... if you have a simpler way of setting it up that actually works for everybody, that'd be awesome |
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| 20:52.09 | jhutchins_lt | check /etc/ssh/sshd_config, set X11Forwarding yes, restart daemon, log on, start X app. |
| 20:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops1, never needed/heard of that ForwardX11Trusted bit |
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| 20:53.04 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: if X is installed on both systems then you don't need anything else. |
| 20:53.09 | chops1 | CutMeOwnThroat, jhutchins_lt: For me (coming from cygwin) it doesn't work without that |
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| 20:53.29 | surf_ | jhutchins_lt, ah dunno man. This udev is just incredible... |
| 20:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: Yeah, on cygwyn you dont' have any X facilities. |
| 20:53.47 | jhutchins_lt | surf_: You may want to consider running stable if you need a working system on a regular basis. |
| 20:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | wanders off for a snack. |
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| 20:56.52 | chops1 | !sshx |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | hmm... sshx is You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>. |
| 20:56.56 | chops1 | !cygwin sshx |
| 20:56.56 | dpkg | [cygwin sshx] You must set "ForwardX11Trusted yes" on the machine you're connecting from (in ~/.ssh/config) if you're trying to use ssh -X from cygwin |
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| 20:57.10 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt, CutMeOwnThroat: Happy? :-) |
| 20:57.25 | surf_ | jhutchins_lt, man I tried lenny, i386 and amd64 , ubuntu 9.04 - 9.10 and now squeeze ALL the same thing |
| 20:59.09 | surf_ | jhutchins_lt, what if I disable my dvd writer? I don't need it. Or "tell" to the system that I don't want it to check for new things |
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| 21:02.17 | jaggz | is there a global Trashcan yet? |
| 21:02.20 | jaggz | for all unlink() |
| 21:03.04 | jaggz | even with my backups, there have been a few occasions where it really would have saved me time to be able to undelete, and others where I actually lost my work. |
| 21:03.10 | chops1 | jaggz: No |
| 21:03.34 | chops1 | jaggz: You can hardlink all your documents to an "old files" directory with cp -rl, and then clean out the directory by hand, to get similar behavior |
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| 21:04.29 | jaggz | that's how the trashcan should work |
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| 21:04.50 | jaggz | and hooks in the fs to monitor file changes too, for backup systems.. |
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| 21:05.05 | surf_ | jhutchins_lt, I found this http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg706608.html which is the same. Could someone help me out understand it? |
| 21:06.06 | chops1 | jaggz: You can do that as an application, too (using inotify), I guess. I don't know if anyone's done it. Overriding unlink would be a pretty surprising approach to take on a Unix system. |
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| 21:07.07 | grua | jaggz: fwiw, http://www.dragonflybsd.org/hammer/ |
| 21:07.30 | surf_ | guys this bug is affecting my system... http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg706608.html could you help me understand the solution please? |
| 21:08.21 | chops1 | jaggz: I generally keep a "trash" directory in my homedir, and manually move files into there instead of deleting unless I'm 100% sure I want to delete things. |
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| 21:09.26 | chops1 | surf_: Have you recently updated to squeeze? |
| 21:09.54 | surf_ | yeah but I had the same problem also on lenny |
| 21:10.16 | chops1 | surf_: Have you booted into a modern (squeeze) kernel as well? |
| 21:10.42 | surf_ | it's 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 21:11.14 | surf_ | if I run udeadm monitor I can see this lines http://pastebin.com/eed0gZNp repeated for millions of time... |
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| 21:14.41 | chops1 | surf_: According to that bug it's fixed in more modern versions of udev |
| 21:15.07 | surf_ | chops1, I got 151. Which is the safest I can run? |
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| 21:16.35 | ukl | hello. Using sid, I haven't had any updates for a day -- is that alright or an indicator for some problem or change? |
| 21:17.47 | maligor | sometimes the mirrors lag |
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| 21:17.59 | ukl | I never experienced that before |
| 21:18.21 | chops1 | surf_: The bug you referenced is supposedly fixed in 151. |
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| 21:18.52 | surf_ | chops1, mmm that's bad |
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| 21:20.33 | chops1 | surf_: So you have the same behavior? A ton of udevd processes eating up all the CPU? |
| 21:21.01 | surf_ | chops1, yes exactly. If I close em all no problem. But every reboot it's the same story |
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| 21:22.11 | surf_ | chops1, and the udeadm monitor is spammed by this http://pastebin.com/zkFsmkwi |
| 21:22.43 | chops1 | surf_: I would unarchive and send email to the bug, then (or file a new one) |
| 21:23.25 | surf_ | chops1, mmm nothin else to try? |
| 21:23.50 | chops1 | surf_: If it's a bug, it's a bug... even if you do find a way around it or something, it's better for the maintainer to know about |
| 21:24.06 | surf_ | yep I know. I will report :( |
| 21:24.10 | chops1 | surf_: If it's something odd that you're doing that udev can't be expected to handle properly, then that's one thing, but it doesn't sound like that. |
| 21:24.25 | surf_ | it is not like that |
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| 21:24.48 | surf_ | I do think that it's because I have 2 graphic cards... |
| 21:24.58 | chops1 | surf_: "Oh, you mean it's a problem that I plug and unplug my mouse 3600 times per second?" :-) |
| 21:25.09 | chops1 | surf_: Ah, that might make sense (combined with the log spam). I'd file a new bug about it then. |
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| 21:25.21 | surf_ | chops1, I'll do it asap |
| 21:25.24 | surf_ | btw thx |
| 21:25.27 | chops1 | surf_: np |
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| 21:39.20 | Sandy80d | Boot hangs after /scripts/init-bottom..done, how should I go about troubleshooting, I have booted into livecd, which files should I check? |
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| 21:50.01 | becks` | hi, can i somehow pass 'apt-get install' multiple packages to be installed? |
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| 21:51.43 | linXea | becks`, just type "apt install pkgname1 pkgname2 pkgname3 etc.... " |
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| 21:54.44 | smhar | ++++++++++ |
| 21:54.51 | smhar | oops |
| 21:54.54 | pallgone | !why aptitude |
| 21:54.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 21:58.50 | becks` | thank you linXea :) |
| 21:59.54 | eyzn | aptitude and apt-get shouldnt be used together isnt it? |
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| 22:00.28 | eyzn | i read about, "once u use aptitude, stick to it or u get problems with resolving dependencies" |
| 22:01.15 | RobDalan | Personally, I get problems with dependencies even with just aptitude, but I've had better luck fixing them than I did when I used aptitude |
| 22:01.33 | RobDalan | replace that second aptitude with apt-get |
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| 22:03.26 | eyzn | to be honest im scared to use aptitude on my production machines ^^ |
| 22:04.37 | RobDalan | from what I understand of it, it should be the other way around. I'm no expert though. I just finally made the switch when I did an install on a new box. I didn't want to switch after using apt-get for so long without a clean install |
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| 22:05.11 | RobDalan | it definitely takes some getting used to though. |
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| 22:06.57 | eyzn | mhm |
| 22:07.03 | eyzn | ty for your oppinion |
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| 22:07.43 | vlt | used apt-get only once in his life: `apt-get install aptitude` |
| 22:07.50 | RobDalan | you're welcome |
| 22:08.19 | RobDalan | I like it... Just like "Windows is extremely useful, I used it to download Linux" |
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| 22:09.51 | RobDalan | I really only switched to aptitude because apt-get doesn't have "aptitude moo" |
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| 22:13.58 | jelly-home | !apt-get moo |
| 22:13.59 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 22:15.16 | lifestream | No, I'm building up the courage to do it |
| 22:15.23 | lifestream | without embarrassing myself |
| 22:15.25 | vlt | Hello. I need to solve a networking problem: In my LAN I don't get a ping reply from some hosts. The replay is sent (says tcpdump on remote host). There's a wireless bridge between both machines. Any idea whre to look first? |
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| 22:17.12 | vlt | Ok, more precise: There's this one host connected to the LAN via wireless (dd-wrt) bridge. It can ping most of the hosts in the network, but some not. |
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| 22:17.55 | becks` | why isn't there pstack for x64? :( |
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| 22:18.45 | RobDalan | vlt - I don't know how much I can help, but can you ping from those machines back to the one you're trying from? |
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| 22:19.44 | vlt | RobDalan: Yes. This way it works |
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| 22:20.16 | chops1 | vlt: Have you checked that your physical cabling (and the topology of the switches) is in spec? |
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| 22:21.34 | vlt | chops1: Yes. Ping from B to A works while A to B doesn't. Seems to be no cabling problem to me, right? |
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| 22:22.03 | chops1 | vlt: If your cabling is out of spec, anything can happen |
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| 22:22.47 | flaccid | perhaps B is not responding to icmp echo |
| 22:22.47 | chops1 | vlt: Often strange inconistent problems like that are exactly what starts to happen. It's not cut and dried like software problems are (of course it could also be plenty of other non-hardware-related things too). |
| 22:22.53 | \amethyst | becks`: because the program is ia32-only. You can use gdb to get a stack trace |
| 22:22.59 | vlt | flaccid: It is (says tcpsump there) |
| 22:23.14 | flaccid | anything in between the two hosts? |
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| 22:24.12 | nse | Hello what is the default SQL server in Debian installations? |
| 22:24.28 | chops1 | nse: There is none. Generally people use mysql. |
| 22:24.30 | azeem_ | nse: if you install the sql-server task, it'll install postgres AFAIK |
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| 22:24.32 | flaccid | nse: none |
| 22:24.41 | flaccid | postgres rules :p |
| 22:25.00 | nse | azeem_: Do you recommend using it? |
| 22:25.01 | azeem_ | btw, postgres.org infrastructure is being migrated to Debian |
| 22:25.15 | azeem_ | nse: eh, if you have to ask, you should do more research |
| 22:25.20 | flaccid | wicked, more great news |
| 22:25.29 | chops1 | nse: I agree with azeem_ |
| 22:25.40 | flaccid | azeem_: one could argue that asking here is research |
| 22:25.52 | nse | azeem_: Then I'll use mysql, it seems more common and thus errors will be treated more easily. |
| 22:26.07 | simonrvn | asking for a recommendation isn't though |
| 22:26.21 | flaccid | it is more popular, yes |
| 22:26.23 | simonrvn | mysql... ugh |
| 22:26.26 | flaccid | but it got bought by sun |
| 22:26.47 | chops1 | !start a database war |
| 22:26.47 | dpkg | ms access rocks |
| 22:27.01 | simonrvn | dpkg: no |
| 22:27.01 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 22:27.20 | azeem_ | nse: well, write standard SQL and be done |
| 22:27.29 | flaccid | hehe |
| 22:27.39 | flaccid | spreadsheet+macros :p |
| 22:28.04 | azeem_ | nse: AFAIK developing for postgres is less non-standard than developing for mysql |
| 22:28.07 | nse | azeem_: Is this a joke? Don't do it I can't unerstand such jokes because I am not as intelligent as you. |
| 22:28.14 | dutchfish | in general you choose the right database for the right job after carefull planning, there is no such thing as one sql-db-server fits all |
| 22:28.19 | flaccid | standard to what? |
| 22:28.45 | flaccid | both servers use a lot of non standard sql |
| 22:28.49 | becks` | \amethyst thanks, well i only need it for install another software, in which directory does pstack normally reside? so i could just "fake" it |
| 22:28.56 | nse | !sql |
| 22:28.56 | dpkg | i guess sql is Structured Query Language. This is a type of relational database that features data in rows and columns. Each row represents a record. Each column is a field. Most serious database solutions today use some form of SQL to store and access large quantities of data quickly and reliably. http://www.arsdigita.com/books/sql/ |
| 22:29.02 | flaccid | and if you are basing your choice on which does more standard sql, well, thats said |
| 22:29.19 | azeem_ | nse: no |
| 22:29.28 | flaccid | said=sad |
| 22:29.51 | vlt | flaccid: There's this properly cabled LAN with hosts "B" to "Z". Everyone can send to and receive ping from anyone in that network. Host "A" is me, connected via a wireless bridge. Pings from [B-Z] to A work fine, answers to pings from A to C or D work fine too, answers to pings from A to B or E don't. hmm :( |
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| 22:30.08 | dutchfish | there are at least 8 possible db server choices for debian/linux, it all depends on the job |
| 22:30.45 | flaccid | vlt: are all the routes correct and regardless of no ping can you still reach and connect to those hosts that don't respond? |
| 22:30.48 | \amethyst | becks`: if the other software needs pstack, then I suspect installing a fake pstack won't help. I'm assuming this other software is not a debian package? |
| 22:31.00 | simonrvn | like flaccid said, both use non-standard stuff but in my inexperienced opinion postgres is closer to standard |
| 22:31.12 | RobDalan | vlt: try hooking up into the LAN if possible to rule out any issue with the config on A |
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| 22:31.28 | becks` | \amethyst no it's some kind of perl script that checks for dependencies (i guess) |
| 22:31.30 | nse | I think if Debian chose it for a default then it is better or will be better in the close future. |
| 22:31.45 | RobDalan | then explain Gnome |
| 22:31.59 | vlt | RobDalan: I did. When using a cable everything works fine. |
| 22:32.10 | vlt | flaccid: What is "reach and connect" here? |
| 22:32.26 | becks` | \amethyst maybe pstack is only needed in case i need customer support :) |
| 22:32.42 | flaccid | vlt: establish a connection such as tcp on a port. for example a service |
| 22:32.54 | nse | There is no reason choosing something which is not the best for the distribution. I will give postgres a try even thou I am used to mysql and phpmyadmin. |
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| 22:33.31 | flaccid | yes nse but both are in the distribution so um... |
| 22:33.54 | flaccid | i use debian+postgresql. you can use phppgadmin which does ok and there are other frontends too |
| 22:34.11 | simonrvn | flaccid: i like pgadmin3 |
| 22:34.26 | flaccid | simonrvn: is that a web interface? |
| 22:34.35 | simonrvn | for gui anyway. i do ok on cli too ;) |
| 22:34.37 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:34.37 | azeem_ | nse: postgres is a bit harder to setup and admin; it's better at other stuff though |
| 22:34.58 | jaggz | ahhaah |
| 22:35.00 | simonrvn | it's wxgtk iirc |
| 22:35.00 | flaccid | simonrvn: gui on which platforms? |
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| 22:35.18 | simonrvn | all 3 major ones i think |
| 22:35.29 | flaccid | well there is no native replication/redundancy/failover in postgresql yet, there are solutions out there however |
| 22:35.30 | simonrvn | (win, linux, mac) |
| 22:35.48 | nse | azeem_: Is this the case that postgres is targeted at sysadmins and other crazy people like this? |
| 22:35.55 | flaccid | simonrvn: yeah cool i might have used it. hopefully it works on fbsd too |
| 22:36.03 | simonrvn | probably |
| 22:36.11 | azeem_ | nse: postgres is targetted at DBAs |
| 22:36.58 | simonrvn | if there's no binary builds, you can always compile it ;) |
| 22:36.59 | nse | what is Drei Buchstaben Akronyms ? |
| 22:37.10 | simonrvn | database admin |
| 22:37.14 | \amethyst | !wtf dba |
| 22:37.15 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what dba means... |
| 22:37.23 | nse | lol |
| 22:37.27 | \amethyst | hm, weird |
| 22:37.38 | vlt | flaccid: I tried to ssh to the not responding host. The ssh packets arrive at the remote host and answers are sent. But they don't get back to me. |
| 22:37.38 | rgr | has the default phpmyadmin install been changed so as to not create relevant /var/www link? |
| 22:37.44 | RobDalan | vlt: Can you ping back and forth to the network components just fine? |
| 22:37.55 | flaccid | vlt: ensure it has a route back |
| 22:38.16 | flaccid | rgr: from memory yes. its in /etc/phpmyadmin.conf and you can link it |
| 22:38.37 | vlt | flaccid: It has. It's the very same network. |
| 22:38.50 | flaccid | rgr: what i mean to say is that the config is not in apache by default and is an alias not files within doc root |
| 22:39.04 | flaccid | vlt: well its not getting back because of something.. |
| 22:39.10 | vlt | flaccid: Otherwise it wouldn't send the answers, would it? |
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| 22:39.44 | flaccid | vlt: it could send the answers, doesn't mean its getting anywhere |
| 22:40.51 | vlt | flaccid: Yes, that's my problem. (I mean it wouldn't send the answers to eth0 if there was no route back) |
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| 22:41.31 | flaccid | i don't think computers are smart like that :) |
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| 22:42.37 | vlt | flaccid: ? |
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| 22:43.18 | Kammy | Hey |
| 22:43.44 | flaccid | yes |
| 22:43.48 | \amethyst | vlt: does the computer whose responses are being lost have the correct ARP entry for the computer it's supposed to be responding to? |
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| 22:43.57 | flaccid | ah yes thats a good point |
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| 22:44.04 | \amethyst | vlt: and does the router have correct ARP entries for all the computers? |
| 22:44.05 | rgr | flaccid: so how to enable it? I tried copying the apache.conf to sites-available then ran a2ensite but still no phpmyadmin. It used to be the case that you just installed phpmyadmin package. |
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| 22:44.28 | flaccid | rgr: its not a site |
| 22:44.44 | flaccid | rgr: you soft link the conf to conf.d then access via /phpmyadmin |
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| 22:47.37 | vlt | \amethyst: Yes, arp table is ok. Pings from B to A work fine. It's just B's answers to A's pings that are sent but not received by A. |
| 22:47.37 | rgr | why did they change it? used to be a breeze. |
| 22:48.31 | flaccid | rgr: i don't know. it still is a breeze. if this is hard for you then hmm |
| 22:48.34 | vlt | \amethyst: (no router involved) |
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| 22:49.11 | \amethyst | vlt: but A can ping other machines? |
| 22:49.22 | \amethyst | vlt: and other machines can ping B? |
| 22:49.45 | rgr | added the link. restarted. still no joy. I'll do some googling. |
| 22:49.59 | flaccid | rgr: what url are you trying to access? |
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| 22:50.39 | flaccid | rgr: also please let me know what ls -ld /etc/apache2/conf.d returns |
| 22:50.56 | vlt | \amethyst: A (the machine behind wireless bridge) can ping most other hosts, and all others can ping B, yes. |
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| 22:51.20 | \amethyst | vlt: oh, a bridge, not a router |
| 22:51.22 | rgr | http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 22:51.44 | vlt | \amethyst: It's two dd-wrt machines in bridge mode |
| 22:51.55 | rgr | and in conf.d I symbolically linked /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to phpmyadmin.conf |
| 22:51.57 | flaccid | rgr: paste bin the command i requested and also cat /etc/phpmyadmin.conf |
| 22:52.21 | flaccid | oh yeah /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf |
| 22:52.28 | flaccid | thats the one |
| 22:52.58 | flaccid | whats the http response? |
| 22:53.15 | rgr | not found |
| 22:53.35 | flaccid | doesn't appear to be included |
| 22:53.53 | flaccid | also check that /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf has the correct alias in it |
| 22:54.03 | \amethyst | and that the 'alias' module is being loaded |
| 22:54.08 | rgr | already did. It does. |
| 22:54.37 | flaccid | apache2ctl -M or something can show modules |
| 22:54.59 | rgr | this is a totally fresh install too so I know I havent hacked any files. |
| 22:55.26 | rgr | alias module is loaded |
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| 22:56.38 | spersaud | is it possible to turn off update manager ? |
| 22:57.22 | jhutchins_lt | spersaud: Yes. |
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| 22:58.38 | spersaud | jhutchins_lt: just remove the package right ? |
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| 22:59.15 | spersaud | I find my computer is a lot better when I remove all of these annoyances, also I removed pc speaker, ... computer is so nice now ........ |
| 22:59.20 | jhutchins_lt | spersaud: Tell it not to load. |
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| 23:02.30 | chops1 | spersaud: Annoyances like update manager prevent annoyances like having your computer broken into... depending on how you use your computer it may or may not be a concern, but update manager is often worth lending some attention to |
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| 23:10.06 | spersaud | chops1: but it doesnt work right, even after you update it still have an orange caution icon |
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| 23:16.20 | tarkaram | I have a network switch and I want to use it to connect to my PS3, my linux box and another laptop. Is there a package that I can install on my debian machine that will allow it to act like a router |
| 23:16.23 | madara | hi all, i just installed debian squeeze on a laptop. Do i need to install the laptop section in tasksel ? |
| 23:16.32 | madara | I mean, should i? |
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| 23:16.47 | flaccid | tarkaram: why do you need to route and what are you wanting to route etc.? |
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| 23:17.53 | tarkaram | I had a router in the past and when I connect my machines to it, I automatically get an ip, gateway it set and all that other stuff |
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| 23:18.18 | tarkaram | with the switch, I am assuming I need another machine it manage all that. |
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| 23:18.50 | flaccid | tarkaram: thats not a router, thats a dhcp server |
| 23:18.52 | tarkaram | using this switch, my PS3 is not able to communicate with my debian machine..where I run a media server |
| 23:19.30 | flaccid | if the two hosts are on the same subnet they don't even need a gateway set to talk to each other |
| 23:20.02 | flaccid | if you want to use your debian machine as a gateway router for the WAN, well thats different. but you are on the net so i assume you already have a wan router going |
| 23:20.39 | tarkaram | I am actually using a different network for the internet.. |
| 23:20.59 | RobDalan | madara: No you don't have to, but if you're asking you probably should... You can always remove what you don't need later if you decide to. |
| 23:21.05 | flaccid | tarkaram: which networks/ips are the hosts on, please tell me |
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| 23:22.41 | madara | Robadalan: i say... i don't know if fans may work better... i just have two days with it so i don't exactly know. I manage de spin down of the disks manually with hdparm... |
| 23:22.51 | tarkaram | flaccid: here is what I am trying to achieve. I have internet in the house and I have a wireless router for that. The new desktop that I bought doesnt have wireless, all it has is an port. |
| 23:23.13 | tarkaram | I can not connect my debian machine to that wireless router coz its an different and I dont want to run that much cable. |
| 23:23.38 | tarkaram | so I bought another switch and I want to connect my PS3 and the debian machine using that switch. |
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| 23:24.13 | flaccid | tarkaram: my question remains |
| 23:24.17 | tarkaram | the issue I am facing right now is, my PS3 doesnt recoginze the media server that I am running my debian machine. |
| 23:24.53 | madara | mmm 57 C seems good right? |
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| 23:25.08 | RobDalan | madara: Oh, well it sounds like you know what you're doing at least. Just check and see what each package in the laptop task does, decide if you want that functionality, make sure it supports your hardware and then decide... |
| 23:25.09 | simonrvn | fsvo good |
| 23:25.29 | tarkaram | flaccid: the ip of my debian destkop is 169.254.42.155 and that of the PS3 is 169.254.34.100 |
| 23:25.39 | simonrvn | um |
| 23:25.54 | flaccid | tarkaram: they are not reachable IPs, they are internal private usually used when there was no dhcp response |
| 23:26.12 | flaccid | tarkaram: give them all static ips on the same network, done. |
| 23:26.12 | simonrvn | with avahi-something installed too |
| 23:26.14 | dutchfish | tarkaram, flaccid why not use static addressing? |
| 23:26.36 | madara | Robadalan: long time without using debian, my laptop bios wasn't that ok with previous versions... how can i know wich packages have tasksel? |
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| 23:26.53 | flaccid | dutchfish: thats what i suggested |
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| 23:27.05 | simonrvn | madara: tasksel *is* a package |
| 23:27.09 | dutchfish | flaccid, yep, i was just too late |
| 23:27.28 | tarkaram | flaccid, dutchfish: Thanks. |
| 23:27.39 | madara | mmm... yeah, but the tasksel laptop section... i wanna know which packages it installs? |
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| 23:28.10 | osmosis | I always forget, whats the dpkg command to find out what package a installed file belongs to? |
| 23:28.14 | flaccid | you can of course set up a dhcp server. i'm suprised your lan doesn't already have one |
| 23:28.19 | chops1 | osmosis: It's called 'man dpkg' :-) |
| 23:28.29 | chops1 | osmosis: dpkg -S |
| 23:28.34 | azeem_ | madara: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 23:28.45 | RobDalan | madara: I don't know what temp is good, plus I don't feel like converting to F right now, but tasksel as simonrvn pointed out is a package. It just installs other packages according to "tasks"... Open aptitude and look in the tasks section. You can expand the laptop section to see what it installs. Ctrl-T will get to the menu. Help is there. |
| 23:29.19 | tarkaram | flaccid: is there a package that I can install for running dhcp on my debian desktop |
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| 23:29.48 | RobDalan | takaram: yes... several |
| 23:30.52 | RobDalan | look at dhcp3-server |
| 23:31.01 | flaccid | tarkaram: lots on doing it and its easy http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=opera&hs=Qe0&rls=en&q=dhcp+server+debian&meta=&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 23:31.50 | flaccid | the official links recommended of course. and i recommend deciding which hosts are 'servers' and give them static IP addresses so they don't rely on dhcp to be on the network |
| 23:32.00 | flaccid | you can then also consider a dns server for the lan zone |
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| 23:32.26 | tarkaram | flaccid: I am also buying a USB wireless for the desktop which will allow it to talk to the wireless router that I have. So essentially, the debian will be on 2 networks.. the wireless router network and the switch. Do I have to do anything to ensure that the data routed to the correct network |
| 23:32.27 | madara | mmm... well, seems like i only will install pm-utils to power manager, thanks for all |
| 23:32.47 | RobDalan | madara: glad you figured it out. |
| 23:34.01 | tarkaram | flaccid: I typically change the routing table to ensure that traffic is routed to the correct netowrk using the route command. |
| 23:34.06 | RobDalan | flaccid: Is there any reason why you wouldn't just set them all up to be static? |
| 23:34.37 | RobDalan | I did with mine just so I could keep track of everything easier. |
| 23:34.41 | tarkaram | the command I use is route add 192.168.0.0 gw 192.168.0.1; 0.1 is my gateway |
| 23:35.21 | tarkaram | in this case with the switch I dont have gateway to set it to.. so I am wondering if I have to do something else to route the traffic correctly |
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| 23:37.37 | flaccid | tarkaram: your wireless router probably already has a dhcp server. just put them all on the same network and you don't need to route anything. otherwise there will need to be a router with an interface on each network that has static routes and ip forwarding |
| 23:38.23 | flaccid | RobDalan: no reason. but i like to leave hosts that are not servers to be dynamic, this way you also know that your dhcp server is working when someone plugs something in |
| 23:38.56 | flaccid | tarkaram: there is no reason to have to set routes up like what you just said if you have a default gateway on your lan |
| 23:39.14 | flaccid | and in fact no gateway like i said before is required when hosts are on the same network |
| 23:39.54 | flaccid | so if all hosts are on 192.168.0.0 network then you don't need any gateway. only 1 for the wan to get internet |
| 23:40.05 | RobDalan | Oh, gotcha... I have a few open dhcp slots just for during configuring and new boxen, so I just check it out then... plus it's technically using the dhcp server, I just set it up to give certain IPs to certain MACs. |
| 23:40.24 | flaccid | yeah thats static dhcp |
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| 23:40.44 | RobDalan | I basically just followed a guide though... I haven't really dove into understanding it all yet... got too much going on. |
| 23:41.07 | flaccid | any servers i have on a LAN, i set them up with a static IP address, forward dns record and reverse dns record (authoritive) |
| 23:41.45 | RobDalan | ^ over my head... |
| 23:41.59 | tarkaram | flaccid: I agree with your suggest (all in one network). But the issue is with data transfers.. |
| 23:42.17 | tarkaram | I store all my media on my debian.. and run a media server.. |
| 23:42.18 | flaccid | RobDalan: just an dns A record for myserver.mydomain.suf and rdns record |
| 23:42.29 | tarkaram | if I watch a hi def movie on PS3.. its terrible over wireless |
| 23:42.30 | flaccid | tarkaram: how is that an issue? |
| 23:42.53 | flaccid | that doesn't really have anything to do with being on the same network |
| 23:43.24 | tarkaram | I can not connect my PS3 to my router using ethernet.. |
| 23:43.37 | tarkaram | they are too far apart.. and I cant run cable.. |
| 23:44.05 | RobDalan | yeah, I don't really understand DNS yet. I'm running dnsmasq on the firewall/dhcp server, but I don't think it's doing anything... I got too busy when I picked up a Poweredge 1850 for $95 and a new desktop for free... |
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| 23:44.12 | flaccid | tarkaram: still don't see your point |
| 23:44.32 | flaccid | dns is pretty easy, won't take you long |
| 23:45.43 | tarkaram | flaccid: let met try explaining it one more time. I have a PS3, Debian and a wirless router. Assuming that my debian had wireless capability.. all three can be on the same network and interact. |
| 23:46.06 | tarkaram | with this setup.. my ps3 would try to connect to the debian media server via wireless.. |
| 23:46.21 | RobDalan | can't you just set up the router as a switch instead of having it run dhcp for another network |
| 23:46.25 | tarkaram | and like said, watching hi-def movies in this setup is horrible. |
| 23:46.39 | flaccid | tarkaram: you simply plug in the ps3 on ethernet wired, no wireless |
| 23:46.55 | flaccid | then the bottleneck is only clients that are on the AP.. |
| 23:46.56 | tarkaram | so the other option is to connect my PS3 to the router using ethernet.. |
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| 23:47.07 | tarkaram | which I can not do since the router is in a different room |
| 23:47.15 | tarkaram | and I dont want to run so much cable. |
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| 23:47.22 | RobDalan | ^that's what I would do... Of course I have ethernet cables running all over my trailer, but... |
| 23:48.10 | flaccid | if the ps3 is on wireless only, well you can't do anything but lay a cable if you don't want, um, wireless ps3 |
| 23:48.25 | tarkaram | with that said.. my goal now it to leave the wirless router as is.. I bought another switch and connect the PS3 and the debian to that switch physically |
| 23:48.39 | RobDalan | can you move the router to a more central location? Run wires through the wall and outside, perhaps under the siding? In a basement? Attic? |
| 23:48.55 | flaccid | which all goes back to the original problem. they don't have IP addresses on the same network, if they did, they could talk |
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| 23:49.10 | flaccid | switching != routing |
| 23:49.16 | flaccid | you don't need a router to use a switch |
| 23:49.28 | RobDalan | That's why I set both of my BEFSR41s to act as switches instead of routers |
| 23:50.01 | flaccid | you can daisy chain switches till the cows come home, you still only need one router |
| 23:50.03 | RobDalan | >1 DHCP-server is a PITA |
| 23:50.10 | flaccid | (if you want to route via wan) |
| 23:50.35 | tarkaram | flaccid: I guess I need a networking 101. Its been a long time. |
| 23:50.48 | RobDalan | what kind of wireless router is it? |
| 23:50.51 | tarkaram | Thanks for your suggestions. |
| 23:50.56 | flaccid | just put them all on the same network and done |
| 23:51.23 | tarkaram | RobDalan: Its a DLink wireless router and the Switch is 3 Com. |
| 23:51.32 | RobDalan | model number? |
| 23:51.40 | tarkaram | DI-524 |
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| 23:51.59 | flaccid | thats a bad router |
| 23:52.17 | tarkaram | Its been working great for the last 5 years.. I have no issues with that. |
| 23:52.28 | tarkaram | its the Switch that I am trying to get my arms around.. |
| 23:52.50 | tarkaram | when I connect the PS3 and the debian machine to the switch.. |
| 23:53.01 | flaccid | if the di-524 has dhcp turned on and its not giving out IP addresses to clients via dhcp, then its obviously not working |
| 23:53.03 | tarkaram | the debian auto gets that 169.254 address.. |
| 23:53.09 | flaccid | a switch is a switch, you plug it in and thats all |
| 23:53.26 | flaccid | tarkaram: like i said in one of my first responses. your di-524 is not giving out that address. |
| 23:53.35 | flaccid | dhcp is obviously failing |
| 23:53.35 | tarkaram | flaccid: the DI-524 is not my problem at all. Its the 3 Com switch.. |
| 23:53.42 | tarkaram | and it doesnt have a dhcp server. |
| 23:54.17 | flaccid | tarkaram: the di-524 does have dhcp server. if you plug the 3com into the di-524 thats it |
| 23:54.53 | flaccid | http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/hardware/?action=h_view&model_id=281 <-- as you can see it has a dhcp server |
| 23:55.15 | tarkaram | it again goes back the distance issue.. I cant run cable again. the PS3, my debian and the switch are all in one physical location |
| 23:55.20 | tarkaram | and the Di-524 is far away.. |
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| 23:55.44 | flaccid | right |
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| 23:56.04 | flaccid | thus why you just assign static ip address to the ps3 and debian and be done with it |
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| 23:56.51 | tarkaram | are there other things I need to take care of.. such as gateway, subnet etc.. |
| 23:56.57 | flaccid | but then you are saying that you need the ps3 to get internet? |
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| 23:57.28 | tarkaram | I dont need internet for PS3.. if it can talk to debian over wire.. I will be a happy soul. |
| 23:57.37 | RobDalan | I really don't see why you can't just plug the debian box into the router and have the ps3 reach it just fine... What are you even using the switch for? |
| 23:58.15 | flaccid | tarkaram: you set the static ips and for the gateway, you set that to the LAN IP of the di-524 on the same network |
| 23:58.41 | flaccid | if you want to give your ps3 internet, you can configure the debian box to be a hop |
| 23:58.48 | RobDalan | Or move the DI-524 and dump the switch. |
| 23:59.11 | tarkaram | flaccid: for static ip, all I have to do is change /etc/network/interfaces and assign a static ip, right ? |
| 23:59.22 | flaccid | RobDalan: im sure the di-524 connects to internet like dsl, so then you would have to run that cable anyway |
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| 23:59.32 | flaccid | tarkaram: yes |
| 23:59.35 | flaccid | its in the documentation |
| 23:59.37 | RobDalan | oh, it's a modem too? |