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| 00:00.12 | lenswipe | ok thanks i will |
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| 00:00.30 | lenswipe | whoah wtf |
| 00:00.35 | nsadmin | K4rl why not just run the script as root |
| 00:00.45 | lenswipe | "CONFIGURATION COULD NOT BE LOADED - YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ACCESS SYSTEM CONFIGURATION" |
| 00:01.27 | nsadmin | lenswipe when you did what? |
| 00:01.30 | K4rl | mysql is running the script after a full backup |
| 00:01.34 | lenswipe | nsadmin: logged in |
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| 00:02.00 | zak_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.54 | nsadmin | zak_ and you did apt-get install (what?) |
| 00:03.34 | zak_ | nsadmin: i downloaded the SUN rpm |
| 00:03.52 | themill | zak_: wrong channel? this is #debian |
| 00:04.09 | nsadmin | zak_: for java? |
| 00:04.09 | K4rl | so there's no way to not get prompted when doing sudo? :p |
| 00:04.15 | zak_ | themill: i know , isn't that a kernel pb?suse room is almost dead :/ |
| 00:04.55 | nsadmin | s/suse//? :) |
| 00:05.09 | themill | zak_: there is nothing that #debian is going to be able to help you with regarding rpm. |
| 00:05.17 | nsadmin | err wrong, s/room//? |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | zak_: perhaps try ##linux |
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| 00:06.42 | esaym153 | bla, installing wicd |
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| 00:10.43 | g0rd0n | hello! i have kind of a problem... mdadm --assemble --run /dev/md0 |
| 00:10.43 | g0rd0n | mdadm: device /dev/md0 already active - cannot assemble it |
| 00:11.02 | g0rd0n | i really need to mount that md0 since it contains /boot and need to check it... |
| 00:11.16 | g0rd0n | but somehow i cant get it to work... any clues? |
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| 00:13.12 | g0rd0n | uuuh |
| 00:13.12 | g0rd0n | :) |
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| 00:13.17 | g0rd0n | got it |
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| 00:13.57 | K4rl | nevermind, mysql managed to do what I wanted so the sudoing wasn't necessary, thanks :3 |
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| 00:17.37 | tunji | hi. have i understood this correctly? i've created a folder in /media named cdrom0, then "ln -s cdrom0 cdrom", changed back to / and "ln -s media/cdrom". do i need to do this for any devices i wish to mount? for example, sd0, camera0 etc? |
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| 00:18.13 | Sia- | i have scanner+printer worked with cups, can use it as FAX ? or any tool for using FAX under debian? |
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| 00:19.19 | Tramp | !hylafax |
| 00:19.19 | dpkg | HylaFAX is a telecommunication system for UNIX systems, allowing facsimiles to be sent and received. Packaged for Debian as hylafax-server and hylafax-client. http://wiki.debian.org/HylaFax http://www.hylafax.org/content/FAQ #hylafax on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:20.57 | tunji | ... or do i only need the symlinks for cdrom and can just create /media/sd, /media/camera etc. for everything else? |
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| 00:21.35 | tunji | i followed the advice given here by the way, http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/arm/apds03.html.en |
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| 00:24.09 | martianlobster | http://acumen.dyndns.biz/usb.txt I am trying to figure out how to mount the western digital external usb drive, and I can't figure out the syntax |
| 00:24.19 | martianlobster | that is the output of dmesg | egrep usb |
| 00:24.44 | martianlobster | I tried: mount -t usbfs /proc/bus/usb/006/001 /mnt/usb/ |
| 00:24.49 | martianlobster | but that doesn't seem to work |
| 00:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, apt-file doesn't find ccvt.h, which seems to be missing for a program I wanted to build... |
| 00:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, I guess it's just a crappy app |
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| 00:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I suggest you let usbmount do it for you on general principles |
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| 00:26.07 | martianlobster | I will research usbmount, I don't know what that is |
| 00:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "usbfs" supposed to be? |
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| 00:26.29 | abrotman | martianlobster: it doesn't seem to be assigning a device name |
| 00:26.36 | abrotman | martianlobster: or is that an edited dmesg ? |
| 00:26.51 | martianlobster | abrotman: that is "dmesg | egrep usb" |
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| 00:27.05 | abrotman | martianlobster: paste it all |
| 00:27.09 | martianlobster | CutMeOwnThroat: usbs, usb file system? |
| 00:27.11 | martianlobster | abrotman: ok |
| 00:27.15 | abrotman | [ 3.121819] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71 |
| 00:27.16 | abrotman | nevemrind |
| 00:27.24 | roe | I am running squeeze, there seems to be a problem with my audio. Playing something, usually flash based, in iceweasel will work fine, but if I come back to it after a few hours, it will just start skipping. I have to close iceweasel and reopen it to get it to work again. (When audio 'breaks' I can't get any program to play audio properly) |
| 00:28.00 | martianlobster | I just pasted it all |
| 00:28.03 | pipeline | roe: uninstall flash |
| 00:28.44 | martianlobster | at the end, [342010.132347] hdb: drive not ready for command , the cd rom seems to be very unhappy |
| 00:28.51 | roe | it has been going on for a while, and I am just wondering if it may be a bug of sorts that needs to be reported, I'm not confident that the problem is as well defined as it could be. pipeline: it isn't limited to flash |
| 00:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | martianlobster, usbfs is a virtual filesystem like /proc, not a filesystem you have on drives you mount via usb |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | martianlobster: how big is it ? 500GB ? |
| 00:29.05 | martianlobster | ok |
| 00:29.09 | martianlobster | abrotman: yes 500gb |
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| 00:29.43 | abrotman | martianlobster: pastebin 'fdisk -l /dev/sde' |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | as root |
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| 00:30.28 | martianlobster | I am running fdisk now |
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| 00:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe, check if dmesg or /var/log/messages possibly have something to say... also (although that's a wide shot) you might look what programs are all accessing the sound device |
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| 00:31.13 | martianlobster | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/mcac7629 |
| 00:31.16 | roe | CutMeOwnThroat, how do I look at the latter? |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | martianlobster: so where do you want it mounted ? |
| 00:31.48 | martianlobster | umm I like /mnt/usb |
| 00:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp (probably as root, might not give complete output as a user) |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | martianlobster: mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/usb |
| 00:32.07 | martianlobster | thank you |
| 00:32.27 | iluminator101 | hi i get this error with brother mfc 7420 driver when i try to scan Failed to open device 'brother2:bus3;dev1: invalid argument |
| 00:32.35 | martianlobster | abrotman: I am in awe |
| 00:32.43 | martianlobster | how did you figure that out? |
| 00:32.45 | abrotman | martianlobster: btw .. -t auto .. you would have had it ages ago |
| 00:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | martianlobster, if you install usbmount, you have to add vfat to /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf |
| 00:32.48 | iluminator101 | hi i get this error with brother mfc 7420 printer/scanner when i try to scan Failed to open device 'brother2:bus3;dev1: invalid argument |
| 00:33.24 | martianlobster | abrotman: I had no idea I wanted the device /dev/sde1 |
| 00:33.43 | martianlobster | how did you connect /dev/sde1 with the western digital usb drive? |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | martianlobster: i've read a few dmesg in my time ? |
| 00:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | easy... we're all psychics |
| 00:34.08 | martianlobster | lol @ CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, aww, you blew it |
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| 00:36.10 | martianlobster | was it these lines? |
| 00:36.12 | martianlobster | [ 16.713475] sde: sde1 [ 16.713519] sd 6:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI disk |
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| 00:36.23 | abrotman | that helped, yes |
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| 00:37.09 | nsadmin | martianlobster: do you want to look at its partitions and see if that's the drive? you can at least: fdisk -l /dev/sde |
| 00:37.10 | iluminator101 | hi i get this error with brother mfc 7420 printer/scanner when i try to scan Failed to open device 'brother2:bus3;dev1: invalid argument |
| 00:37.18 | martianlobster | and the fdisk -l, confirmed your suspitions |
| 00:38.04 | martianlobster | oops suspicions |
| 00:38.06 | martianlobster | fat fingers |
| 00:38.24 | martianlobster | well thanks, that was a good lesson in dmesg |
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| 00:38.51 | nsadmin | each line of dmesg should provide a different lesson |
| 00:39.16 | nsadmin | maybe even 3-5 weeks worth of work |
| 00:39.28 | martianlobster | lol my brain would explode from that many lessons |
| 00:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | martianlobster, mind, if you use usbmount, switching off 'sync' is a good idea for usb sticks... and you still have to (p)umount yourself |
| 00:39.57 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 00:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, the majority would be pretty boring lessons, though |
| 00:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | not to say futile |
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| 00:40.12 | martianlobster | this is a servewr in a colo, so I am not putting any sticks into it |
| 00:40.27 | martianlobster | <---- getting up to stretch |
| 00:40.28 | martianlobster | ttyl |
| 00:40.38 | nsadmin | maybe |
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| 00:41.16 | abrotman | martianlobster: it showed me the partitions and the filesystems |
| 00:41.19 | nsadmin | I'd say that on the average most of them would be outside of the person's interest areas |
| 00:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that pretty much independent of the persons actual interest areas |
| 00:42.11 | nsadmin | yes, so different ones would be of interest to different people |
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| 00:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... nsadmin here's your dmesg line of the day: [1524900.626015] 2:3:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84 |
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| 00:43.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I got that line 282 times in my dmesg output, so it should support us for the better part of a year |
| 00:44.04 | rainy-day | we have a system that we can ssh to on local network but can't ssh from outside.. router is set up to open the system's port to connections, hosts.deny and hosts.allow are both empty.. what could be the problem? |
| 00:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | NAT? |
| 00:44.48 | iluminator101 | on debian squeeze 2.6.32 i cant find /boot/grub/menu.lst did the location change? |
| 00:44.51 | rainy-day | umm.. is that in router config or on the debian? |
| 00:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of internet connection do you have |
| 00:45.33 | rainy-day | CutMeOwnThroat: verizon dsl I think |
| 00:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, squeeze uses grub2 |
| 00:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | rainy-day, and "outside" is from the internet |
| 00:45.51 | rainy-day | CutMeOwnThroat: we had another debian system that we could ssh from outside.. so it seems it's a matter of debian setup |
| 00:45.53 | Tramp | iluminator101: squeeze uses grub2 - see /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 00:46.05 | rainy-day | CutMeOwnThroat: yep |
| 00:46.17 | buntfalke | how is this done properly? Pin: release a=stable, o="Several Words Here" |
| 00:46.35 | buntfalke | that is, several words in the origin/label field, plus specifying the archive |
| 00:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | rainy-day, well, then your router does rather surely do NAT for the machines inside... |
| 00:46.52 | buntfalke | the suite |
| 00:46.53 | iluminator101 | thanks tramp |
| 00:46.57 | iluminator101 | thanks cutmeownthroat |
| 00:47.01 | Tramp | yw |
| 00:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell iluminator101 -about nicktab |
| 00:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 00:47.32 | Tramp | you're picky |
| 00:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, tried to supply at least something useful |
| 00:47.59 | rainy-day | CutMeOwnThroat: yep.. what else could be an issue.. I'm thinking there's some configuration file in /etc or /etc/network that could disallow connections from internet but not from local network? doesn't sound right.. |
| 00:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, people trying to type my name a couple of times usually appreciate it |
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| 00:48.27 | epifanio | hi all |
| 00:48.30 | Tramp | cutmeownthroat: more than half of the people don't thank at all :) |
| 00:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tramP: that's as maybe |
| 00:48.50 | epifanio | please, can you help me to know the name of my ethernet hardware ? |
| 00:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | rainy-day, if your ssh connection gets rejected, it's pretty sure it's the router... |
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| 00:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | rainy-day, you can check /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/auth.log for connects |
| 00:50.27 | iluminator101 | how do i turn apm off permanetly instead having to do hdparm -B /dev/sda all the time |
| 00:50.44 | Tramp | rainy-day: I'd tcpdump to verify, that the packets reach you (i.e. verify it's not the router). |
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| 00:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, /etc/default/hdparm // /etc/hdparm.conf? |
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| 00:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, things are run automatically via /etc/init.d/hdparm at startup |
| 00:52.14 | iluminator101 | i could just add APM_level = off to boot parameters |
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| 00:53.42 | iluminator101 | CutMeOwnThroat, so u are saying add hdparm -B /dev/sda to /etc/init.d/hdparm? |
| 00:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | rainy-day, you can also shut down the local sshd and run (as root) nc -l -p 22 then connect from outside with telnet yourhost 22 and see if whatever you type there arrives |
| 00:54.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, no, I'm saying you look through /etc/hdparm.conf to make it do the right thing for you |
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| 00:59.00 | gmarselis__ | sausage-ona-bunn! |
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| 01:00.07 | project2501a | question: apparently AMD has a set of compilers. they look pretty damn interesting, especially since they intergrate with gcc. are there any packages for debian? |
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| 01:00.46 | project2501a | guess not |
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| 01:03.30 | niriven | why interesting? |
| 01:03.37 | iluminator101 | what the equivalent of this files in debian squeeze kernel 2.6.32 /etc/udev/rules.d/45-libsane.rules |
| 01:04.00 | g0rd0n | i have a problem, when i install a kernel, /boot/grub/menu.lst is not getting updated... it used to get updated automatically but it does not anymore. any clue what is going wrong here? |
| 01:05.20 | niriven | i hope that nvidia-glx bug gets fixed in squeeze someday :( |
| 01:05.21 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: have seen it happen when you manually edit a section you shouldn't |
| 01:05.29 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: move the file and run `update-grub` |
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| 01:06.38 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: hmm ok, will try that as soon as the recovery console starts... cause the system is not booting and i have no clue why (it's remote) :( |
| 01:06.53 | g0rd0n | i put the missing info in menu.lst but either it is wrong or the system is missing some things |
| 01:07.18 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: what kernel did you install? backports? custom? |
| 01:07.28 | g0rd0n | just plain debian lenny kernel |
| 01:07.40 | g0rd0n | but i upgraded the system from etch to lenny |
| 01:07.46 | g0rd0n | i followed the instructions in the release notes |
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| 01:08.08 | g0rd0n | but when i checked menu.lst i noticed it still had the old kernel in it... |
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| 01:09.01 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: had you edited any of the uncommented sections of menu.lst? e.g. removing "quiet" from the kernel line instead of #defoptions |
| 01:09.16 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: well, the old kernel will remain, but the new should be added and set the default |
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| 01:11.09 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: i did not touch that file at all.... |
| 01:11.16 | g0rd0n | problem is, i removed the old kernel :'( |
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| 01:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that was slightly unwise |
| 01:12.30 | g0rd0n | yeah |
| 01:12.40 | g0rd0n | debian was complaining that the old kernel package was broken |
| 01:12.56 | g0rd0n | anyway it's too late now |
| 01:13.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:13.05 | g0rd0n | i thought i could not boot anyway with the old kernel |
| 01:14.01 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: you could have |
| 01:14.07 | g0rd0n | dammit :P |
| 01:14.17 | g0rd0n | i hate that machine, dont even have a serial console... |
| 01:14.34 | g0rd0n | and as nothing is written to the logs, i just assume grub is the problem |
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| 01:14.49 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: is this a VPS or dedicated server of some kind? |
| 01:14.53 | g0rd0n | dedicated |
| 01:15.12 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: rescue mode give you the ability to chroot into your filesystem? |
| 01:15.24 | g0rd0n | yes, i am waiting for the rescue mode to come up |
| 01:15.34 | g0rd0n | oh there it is |
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| 01:16.33 | g0rd0n | ok, assembled, mounted, chrooted... |
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| 01:17.31 | g0rd0n | damn, update-grub doesnt work |
| 01:17.34 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: mv /boot/grub/menu.lst; update-grub; pastebinit -i /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:18.22 | WaterRatj | Can debian edit files on ntfs? |
| 01:18.23 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/evms/md/md0. |
| 01:18.30 | g0rd0n | WaterRatj: yes |
| 01:18.55 | WaterRatj | g0rd0n: Thank you :D |
| 01:19.06 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: hmm, did you mount proc in the chroot? |
| 01:19.06 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: i mounted /dev/md1 to /mnt and /dev/md0 to /mnt/boot, then did chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 01:19.11 | g0rd0n | oh |
| 01:19.13 | g0rd0n | no i did not :P |
| 01:19.18 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: yes, but you need the ntfs-3g drivers, not the default |
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| 01:19.29 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: how do i mount the proc? |
| 01:19.39 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: H'Okay |
| 01:20.37 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: from outside the chroot: mount -t proc none /mnt/proc |
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| 01:21.06 | WaterRatj | What do I need to connect a network between windows and debian? samba? |
| 01:21.11 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: and also: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 01:21.29 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: samba for windows filesharing, yes |
| 01:21.34 | dbbolton | i've had grub2 ruin 2 installations this week |
| 01:21.41 | streuner | WaterRatj: what about ssh? |
| 01:21.42 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: if you installed the gnome desktop, it should be included |
| 01:21.45 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: youre my hero... ok, got new menu.lst |
| 01:22.06 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: this shouldn't be a grub2 issue. its an etch->lenny |
| 01:22.18 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: nice |
| 01:22.30 | g0rd0n | root (hd1,0) |
| 01:22.36 | g0rd0n | it was hd0,0 before... |
| 01:22.37 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Thanks |
| 01:22.38 | dbbolton | Titan8990 i was just complaining |
| 01:22.39 | rainy-day | CutMeOwnThroat, Tramp: thanks! it was the router.. someone else was able to fix it :) |
| 01:22.58 | WaterRatj | Eum any way to remove gnome desktop and replace it with openbox? i don't need icon and stuff on desktop |
| 01:23.19 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: i thought that it first gave the option to install grub-legacy and have it chainload grub2 before full install for testing |
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| 01:23.56 | dbbolton | Titan8990 it did offer the chainload, and it worked, so i ran the upgrade script and then it broke |
| 01:24.05 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: yes, but as part of a meta package it will likely remove some applications that you want |
| 01:24.17 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/f666658b4 |
| 01:24.19 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: they will just need to be reinstalled |
| 01:24.25 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: ah, fail |
| 01:24.44 | WaterRatj | TTitan8990: So what package should i remove for the gnome desktop to be removed? |
| 01:24.50 | dbbolton | do i absolutely need an amd64 livecd to chroot into an amd64 system? |
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| 01:25.20 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: IIRC, gnome-desktop |
| 01:25.36 | adb | WaterRatj, /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 01:25.55 | Titan8990 | dbbolton: i believe so, or you will run into issues when you mount proc. i guess it depends on the task needed |
| 01:26.12 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: well, that is odd actually |
| 01:26.12 | g0rd0n | OH SHIT |
| 01:26.21 | g0rd0n | i think i found the problem |
| 01:26.24 | dbbolton | Titan8990 sys and proc had no errors, but the chroot command gave exec format error |
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| 01:27.02 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: what is that? |
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| 01:27.17 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: the first two lines are not normal, it added the symlinks... |
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| 01:27.31 | WaterRatj | How do i take backup first, before I mess something up? |
| 01:27.38 | g0rd0n | well not sure actually... but in the old menu.lst that was working i had "boot" after the kernel line |
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| 01:27.43 | lazellama | Tramp, I've recovered a ton of shit using PhotoRec but nothing that is of importance to me yet. But definately seeing a lot of files. so far just OS related stuff but none of which i saw when the partitions were mounted. |
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| 01:28.05 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: which first two lines do you mean? |
| 01:28.44 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: two sections i mean... the ones that use /vmlinuz for the kernel |
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| 01:29.21 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: that image should not be in boot... vmlinuz itself should be at / and be a symlink to /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:29.43 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: err sorry, symlinked to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 01:30.05 | g0rd0n | oh i see |
| 01:30.31 | g0rd0n | ill remove the symlinks and regenerate the config |
| 01:30.37 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: did you make /home on its own partition? |
| 01:30.37 | g0rd0n | oh, and remove the 486 kernel :P |
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| 01:31.32 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: No, stadard install |
| 01:31.34 | martianlobster | I can see from dmesg, http://acumen.dyndns.biz/usb.txt, that I have a ramdisk. How can I find out which device it is? Do I need to mount it before I use it? it doesn't show up when I type mount. |
| 01:33.55 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: I use rsync, but restoration takes some knowledge of the system if your looking to backup / |
| 01:34.15 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: am rebooting... pray for me :P |
| 01:34.28 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Fairly new to it :p so i'll take babysteps |
| 01:35.36 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: it would be easy however, to backup your /home which should contain all your documents and user configurations settings (desktop themes, browsing favorites, email configs) |
| 01:36.05 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Ok |
| 01:36.21 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: what are you wanting to backup to? |
| 01:36.22 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Can I mess up the system when removing gnome? Cause i freshly installed debian |
| 01:36.55 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: nothing permanent, no |
| 01:37.21 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: What you mean "what are you wanting to backup to?" |
| 01:37.50 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: you need some kind of backup medium... a network location, a usb hard drive, ... a tape |
| 01:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I suggest /dev/null... fastest backup ever |
| 01:38.16 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: For the /home/ backup would a usb stick(2gigs) work? |
| 01:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "du -hs $HOME" |
| 01:38.43 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: it would, but if its a fresh install, there really isn't going to be anything to backup |
| 01:38.58 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Just for further notice :) |
| 01:39.11 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: The stick should it be formatted as FAT32? |
| 01:39.17 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: it all depends, but typically, no |
| 01:39.38 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: As what should it be formatted? |
| 01:39.49 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: fat32 works for tar, but you would need to reformat to ext2 to use rsync, otherwise file permissions won't be preserved |
| 01:39.51 | rainy-day | I'm trying to format a flash card and it was on /dev/sdb1 and had vfat filesystem.. I mounted it then (I should have unmounted but didn't) and deleted partitions using fdisk, then I created filesystem using mkfs.ext2 without a reboot.. after reboot when I run fdisk /dev/sdb1, it says, unable to open |
| 01:40.07 | rainy-day | Did I screw it up or something? |
| 01:40.13 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: I can format this into debian |
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| 01:40.43 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: well, your not really formatting it into "debian" |
| 01:41.10 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Sorry for all these question :p there a bit noobish I know :D |
| 01:41.13 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: ext2 is a linux filesystem that is often used for small drives |
| 01:41.45 | Titan8990 | WaterRatj: its like the ext3 your debian install is likely formatted in, without journaling |
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| 01:42.53 | Titan8990 | rainy-day: normally you want to call fdisk on the drive, not the partition |
| 01:43.02 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: still booting? |
| 01:43.04 | WaterRatj | Titan8990: Can a stick then not be ext3 instead of ext3? |
| 01:43.12 | rainy-day | Titan8990: ohh right.. I'm dumb today |
| 01:43.19 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: trying to ssh, no response yet :( |
| 01:43.24 | martianlobster | I am guessing that /dev/shm is a ramdisk |
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| 01:47.33 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: damn, still nothing :( |
| 01:48.53 | rainy-day | if an embedded system is running off a flash drive (i.e. / and everything below is just one flash drive), can I copy all files recursively to another flash card and use that to run the system or I need to install MBR on the copied flash card? |
| 01:49.41 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: sorry.. root (hd0,0) |
| 01:49.55 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: again odd, that was generated wrong |
| 01:50.06 | g0rd0n | yeah, i changed that to hd0,0 |
| 01:50.30 | g0rd0n | im sure it is hd0,0 cause the old menu.lst i backed up has that in |
| 01:50.52 | g0rd0n | isnt there any way grub can log something? |
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| 01:51.38 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: when you removed -486 that would have ran update-grub |
| 01:52.02 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: i issued the update-grub command manually after removing -486 |
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| 01:52.22 | ruben23 | hi how do i install openssh server..? so i can remote on my debian server.. |
| 01:52.36 | Titan8990 | ruben23: aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 01:52.49 | g0rd0n | hmmm maybe i am missing some initrd package? |
| 01:53.01 | g0rd0n | guess i will have to boot in recovery again and have a look... |
| 01:53.11 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: initrd is part of the kernel package |
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| 01:53.47 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: make sure the files are there, they should be /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) and /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
| 01:54.02 | g0rd0n | yes, they are |
| 01:54.12 | g0rd0n | checked like 10 times |
| 01:54.22 | g0rd0n | and i removed those symlinks and regenerated menu.lst |
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| 01:54.54 | Titan8990 | its really bad not being able to see things... have to do that kind of crap at work |
| 01:55.15 | pzn | has anyone imported successfully a .pfx personal key certificate to gnupg in debian? |
| 01:55.15 | Titan8990 | when I got a vps for myself, i got one with a serial console instead of an admin panel |
| 01:55.18 | g0rd0n | i hate that... i really would like a serial console for this machine, but its not available |
| 01:55.51 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: anything logged to /var/log/dmesg this time? |
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| 01:55.54 | g0rd0n | actually my own machine has serial console... this one is just one i administer for someone... so good job i did here with the os upgrade, lol |
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| 01:55.59 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: nothing at all |
| 01:56.06 | g0rd0n | that makes me sad |
| 01:56.16 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: backup? |
| 01:56.17 | g0rd0n | !!!! |
| 01:56.17 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 01:56.20 | g0rd0n | it booted!! |
| 01:56.38 | ruben23 | Titan8990: i have installed it but when i connect through ssh i get network connection refuse |
| 01:56.44 | ruben23 | what should i do |
| 01:57.03 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.40 | ruben23 | i already installed it |
| 01:57.47 | adb | both side ? |
| 01:57.52 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: thank you so much for your help :))) |
| 01:57.52 | ruben23 | does debian dont accept apt-get....? |
| 01:58.00 | ZiG|ZaG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.03 | ZiG|ZaG | wut |
| 01:58.03 | ruben23 | apt-get to install |
| 01:58.04 | Titan8990 | ruben23: pastebin `apt-cache policy openssh-server` |
| 01:58.16 | Titan8990 | ruben23: yes, despite my suggestion of aptitude... |
| 01:58.47 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: it booted from what was done before? |
| 01:58.53 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: or had you done something different? |
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| 01:59.18 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: from what was done before |
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| 01:59.37 | g0rd0n | with the regenerated menu.lst with hd0,0 |
| 01:59.41 | ruben23 | Titan8990: but when i used apt-get ---it says command not found |
| 01:59.49 | octane | i'm trying to access my music collection in rhythmbox, i think the size of the collection may be causing it to crash. Can anyone suggest a fix? |
| 01:59.51 | Titan8990 | g0rd0n: nice, you still might want to work out why update-grub is not working properly |
| 01:59.58 | Titan8990 | ruben23: were you root? |
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| 02:00.17 | ruben23 | ill check now |
| 02:00.31 | WormFood | yesterday I could run wireshark just fine, but today when I run it, my hard drive usages goes way up, and *everything* becomes very sluggish. iotop suggests nothing, it acts normal. Anyone have a clue? |
| 02:00.32 | g0rd0n | Titan8990: probably cause it was in chroot |
| 02:00.35 | g0rd0n | ill try that now |
| 02:01.13 | g0rd0n | lol i get the same errors like when i had not mounted proc and dev |
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| 02:03.24 | octane | actually if i keep the window active it seems ok |
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| 02:07.41 | pzn | I got a x509 certificate for encryption/sign. which is the utility in debian for signing/encrypting? gnupg is incompatible with x509 certificates |
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| 02:10.03 | Tramp | pzn: I think you can import certificates into icedove. |
| 02:10.22 | niriven | so does anyone really run pure stable? :) |
| 02:10.46 | nooper | the cli 'openssl' command can do it somehow i think |
| 02:10.48 | Tramp | pzn: not sure which other mail clients have PEM support (which is, what x509 certificates are for, iirc) |
| 02:11.41 | Tramp | yes, openssl works with x509 certs as well - just not sure what exactly he wants to sign/encrypt |
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| 02:12.59 | dansushi18 | does anyone here have any idea when kde 4.4 will be avaiable in debian testing? |
| 02:14.19 | Titan8990 | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 02:14.19 | judd | kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1; etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny3; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny3; sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3 |
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| 02:14.58 | Titan8990 | dansushi18: it would go through sid first, and squeeze freezes in march |
| 02:15.08 | pzn | Tramp: I need an "official certificate from a CA" to sign contracts electronically. nowhere in my country accepts gnupg signs as official. I got the certificate today... It is in x509 format. Now I need to learn how to sign and encrypt mails with it. gnupg I already know hoe |
| 02:15.15 | pzn | s/hoe/how |
| 02:16.04 | Titan8990 | pzn: thats rather confusing... "sign" sounds like you want to sign it as if you were the CA |
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| 02:17.22 | dansushi18 | Titan8990: i have some idea what "freezing" means in terms of debian versions, but could you explain what that will mean? |
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| 02:17.53 | dansushi18 | does that mean it will be completely available as stable? |
| 02:18.06 | dansushi18 | like squeeze will become the new lenny? |
| 02:18.19 | Titan8990 | dansushi18: it means that it will not get new versions of packages. to polish before release |
| 02:18.42 | Titan8990 | dansushi18: yes, squeeze will become stable and lenny will be old-stable |
| 02:18.46 | pzn | Titan8990: I mean sign by I need to sign mail messages and openoffice .odt files. |
| 02:19.48 | Tramp | pzn: well then - for mail you want a mail client. For signing arbitrary documents, there is probably some pkcs??-"standard" which is supported by openssl |
| 02:21.03 | Titan8990 | there may also be openoffice extensions |
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| 02:21.06 | Tramp | pkcs7 probably |
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| 02:21.14 | causal | galore pailful alive lingers sheiks regret SpeedyG digilink vara2009 kenjy gyyrog _saw dansushi18 wols project2501b F15ch3r Sememmon DogBoy a2 lnostdal EthanB pzn massmc dmi3on naiv Spami|Thug tmann ruben23 |{41444d494e}| Dominian jrib bier bier_ lazellama gusto dbbolton jelly-home xomg sysErroR Sia- shogunx phantomcircuit kk47 neoark LtL Fjordside teddymills rainy-day Selveste1___ baem Holborn ExodusC freaky[t] gestaltish Leonidas roe |
| 02:21.14 | oxymora | choicer musics showier traces clicks causal galore pailful alive lingers sheiks regret SpeedyG digilink vara2009 kenjy gyyrog _saw dansushi18 wols project2501b F15ch3r Sememmon DogBoy a2 lnostdal EthanB pzn massmc dmi3on naiv Spami|Thug tmann ruben23 |{41444d494e}| Dominian jrib bier bier_ lazellama gusto dbbolton jelly-home xomg sysErroR Sia- shogunx phantomcircuit kk47 neoark LtL Fjordside teddymills rainy-day Selveste1___ baem Hol |
| 02:21.14 | sheiks | regret SpeedyG digilink vara2009 kenjy gyyrog _saw dansushi18 wols project2501b F15ch3r Sememmon DogBoy a2 lnostdal EthanB pzn massmc dmi3on naiv Spami|Thug tmann ruben23 |{41444d494e}| Dominian jrib bier bier_ lazellama gusto dbbolton jelly-home xomg sysErroR Sia- shogunx phantomcircuit kk47 neoark LtL Fjordside teddymills rainy-day Selveste1___ baem Holborn ExodusC freaky[t] gestaltish Leonidas roe Xjs|moonshine Gnarfoz Geniack icero |
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| 02:21.23 | liable | !ops holing |
| 02:21.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: holing |
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| 02:21.29 | gusto | what? |
| 02:21.34 | gusto | again these trolls? |
| 02:21.50 | liable | trolls never sleep :) |
| 02:21.57 | Titan8990 | with ipv6 addresses and everything |
| 02:21.58 | nooper | how come they didn't mention my nick? :( |
| 02:21.58 | gusto | does pop up on my screen everytime |
| 02:22.20 | gusto | thats annoying |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | really, just one ? |
| 02:22.55 | dansushi18 | Titan8990: is there a set date when squeeze will become stable? |
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| 02:23.08 | Titan8990 | dansushi18: don't thinks so |
| 02:23.13 | liable | well, seeing as you were asleep.. |
| 02:23.15 | Titan8990 | !tell dansushi18 about squeeze |
| 02:23.16 | gusto | dansushi18, and is it important? |
| 02:23.27 | dansushi18 | i'm just curious about it |
| 02:23.36 | gusto | dansushi18, so, be |
| 02:23.56 | gusto | dansushi18, I am using squeeze already on all computers |
| 02:24.07 | gusto | so for me, doesnt make a difference |
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| 02:24.43 | dansushi18 | gusto: ok... |
| 02:24.44 | Titan8990 | just so all computers can break at once |
| 02:24.50 | dansushi18 | heh |
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| 02:25.08 | dansushi18 | gusto: does the fact that you're already using it prevent me from asking questions about it? |
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| 02:25.22 | gusto | dansushi18, no |
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| 02:25.49 | gusto | Titan8990, they can not, because some of them arent upgraded |
| 02:26.24 | WormFood | why in the hell is photorec in sid, but not testing? That should be in stable too...such a wonderful program. |
| 02:26.29 | gusto | Titan8990, and why should they? when you are using windows seven on all computers (or the whole world does) thay can also break so all at once |
| 02:26.40 | gusto | yes |
| 02:26.48 | gusto | an I miss xpdf in squeeze |
| 02:27.29 | dansushi18 | really? why is it gone? |
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| 02:27.52 | gusto | dansushi18, yes |
| 02:28.05 | Cephalon | hello, can anyone tell me how i will install kde4.4 without compiling??? |
| 02:28.18 | dansushi18 | gusto: um... what? |
| 02:28.33 | dansushi18 | i said "why is it gone?", and you answered "yes"? |
| 02:28.38 | gusto | Cephalon, hm? |
| 02:28.50 | gusto | Cephalon, maybe installing it |
| 02:29.01 | Cephalon | how |
| 02:29.06 | gusto | dansushi18, yes, and "yes" is the correct answer |
| 02:29.17 | Cephalon | where i can find deb packages |
| 02:29.21 | gusto | dansushi18, they have just thrown it out |
| 02:29.29 | gusto | Cephalon, w8 |
| 02:29.47 | gusto | Cephalon, first, what distribution and what release are you using? |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | Cephalon: which version of Debian ? |
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| 02:30.01 | dbbolton | is there a way to make k3b check an md5sum against a file instead of just printing the md5sum? |
| 02:30.39 | Cephalon | debina sqeeze |
| 02:30.40 | gusto | dbbolton, and how is that related to debian and why do you want to do it w/ k3b? |
| 02:30.43 | dansushi18 | gusto: my question is "WHY have they thrown it out?" Yes cannot be an answer to that |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | Cephalon: it will be there eventually .. it's only been out three days |
| 02:31.10 | dbbolton | gusto i found it already |
| 02:31.12 | gusto | dansushi18, I am not in charge, so I dont know and they dont know either, they just did it |
| 02:31.25 | dansushi18 | gusto: ok, so a good response would be "I don't know" |
| 02:31.32 | dansushi18 | not, "Yes" |
| 02:31.34 | Cephalon | abrotman: thanx man |
| 02:31.41 | dbbolton | i asked here because there is never anybody in #debian-kde on oftc |
| 02:32.01 | gusto | dansushi18, no, because I am not the only one who doesnt know |
| 02:32.02 | dansushi18 | that just makes you sound like a douche |
| 02:32.12 | dondelelcaro | 18:31:47 -!- #debian-kde 49 No KDE 4.4 in unstable this week, maybe beginning/middle of next week; will be in Squeeze after that |
| 02:32.25 | dansushi18 | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:32.33 | gusto | dansushi18, and to make it clear, you have to ask, who does know, because there are plenty of ppl who dont know |
| 02:32.50 | dansushi18 | ok, but i aksed you |
| 02:33.01 | dansushi18 | so you should say that you don't know |
| 02:33.06 | dansushi18 | and you ask other people |
| 02:33.10 | dansushi18 | not just say yes |
| 02:33.17 | Titan8990 | dansushi18: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527840 |
| 02:33.19 | dansushi18 | *and to ask other people |
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| 02:33.35 | dondelelcaro | dansushi18: xpdf was removed from testing because of the RC bugs it has |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | dansushi18: what question do you want ? |
| 02:33.40 | abrotman | Titan8990: FWIW ... /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 02:33.54 | dondelelcaro | dansushi18: #551287, #527840, #458763, among others |
| 02:34.12 | dansushi18 | abrotman: nothing important, it was just a quick question that i was curious about since gusto brought it up |
| 02:34.16 | gusto | dondelelcaro, but it was included in stable, so the bugs were not the (only) reason for removing it |
| 02:34.28 | dansushi18 | he said that xpdf is not in squeeze |
| 02:34.34 | dansushi18 | i asked why, and he said "yes" |
| 02:34.37 | gusto | yes |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | gusto: those bugs that caused its removal may not exist in stable |
| 02:35.00 | gusto | maybe its because I ve eaten too much |
| 02:35.12 | gusto | now I feel like debian unstable |
| 02:35.28 | WaterRatj | Why won't debian mount my ntfs drive? |
| 02:35.30 | gusto | abrotman, exactly |
| 02:36.12 | WormFood | WaterRatj, you need to have ntfs support installed |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | WaterRatj: is there an error that you care to share? |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | WormFood: RO support is in the kernel |
| 02:36.12 | gusto | WaterRatj, hmm... and why should it? |
| 02:36.12 | dansushi18 | gusto: maybe you ate with too much gusto |
| 02:36.37 | gusto | dansushi18, what does that mean? |
| 02:36.49 | WaterRatj | abrotman: Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume |
| 02:36.50 | abrotman | dansushi18: please stop egging him on |
| 02:36.54 | WaterRatj | gusto: Cause i need all my drives |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | WaterRatj: need more info .. `uname -r` and the full command and the full error .. use a pastebin |
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| 02:37.45 | moalla | hi |
| 02:37.55 | dondelelcaro | gusto: uh... packages with RC bugs get removed from testing all the time |
| 02:38.06 | gusto | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 02:38.16 | gusto | dondelelcaro, but I noticed also sth positive |
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| 02:38.27 | gusto | dondelelcaro, I was stuck with s2ram |
| 02:38.48 | dondelelcaro | holy non sequitur, batman! |
| 02:38.50 | gusto | dondelelcaro, that one was removed and that was good, because then I came by pm-suspend and that one is much better |
| 02:39.41 | dansushi18 | abrotman: i was just using a stupid pun |
| 02:39.53 | dansushi18 | gusto: i'm guessing you're not a native english speaker? I was just using a pun |
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| 02:40.15 | gusto | dansushi18, and what is a pun? |
| 02:40.30 | dansushi18 | a joke based on word usage |
| 02:40.47 | gusto | dansushi18, and you are a native english speaker? |
| 02:40.48 | dansushi18 | pun: a form of word play that deliberately exploits ambiguity between similar-sounding words for humorous or rhetorical effect. |
| 02:40.54 | dansushi18 | yes, i am |
| 02:41.01 | gusto | dansushi18, how is that? |
| 02:41.02 | dansushi18 | i was just a joke, no offense intended |
| 02:41.07 | dansushi18 | *it was |
| 02:41.22 | dansushi18 | how is being a native english speaker? |
| 02:41.26 | gusto | yes |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:41.28 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:41.34 | gusto | OK |
| 02:41.57 | gusto | I need to put debian-off-topic on my autojoin list |
| 02:41.59 | gusto | :-D |
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| 02:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | very... something |
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| 03:31.18 | Tortel | anyone here using a eeepc 1005ha? for some reason my right alt key doesnt work :/ |
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| 03:33.08 | zerothis | I'm having trouble with the at command. in a terminal running on the desktop, I typed "a 7:12" then <enter> then "ksnapshot" then <control>+<d>. 7:12 went by & nothing happened. |
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| 03:36.05 | deever | what's the reason for that there is no "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" entry in the lenny installer? |
| 03:36.56 | Titan8990 | zerothis: didn't know you could use at interactively... anyways that would be 7:12am (24hr clock) unless you specify time in a different format |
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| 03:37.30 | zerothis | oh, duh. thanks :) |
| 03:37.44 | Titan8990 | zerothis: also, you can use at -q to look at jobs |
| 03:38.30 | Titan8990 | zerothis: err. sorry, thats `atq` |
| 03:40.32 | Tortel | aah, fixed keyboard. |
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| 03:43.23 | zerothis | nope, still nothing at 19:42 or 7:41pm. |
| 03:44.58 | Tramp | zerothis: what exactly do you expect to happen? Isn't ksnapshot some sort of GUI based program? |
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| 03:45.18 | Tramp | the "k" makes me think it may have something to do with this KDE stuff |
| 03:45.23 | Titan8990 | zerothis: hehe, was about to say that, i wouldn't be suprised if you need to set a DISPLAY variable or something |
| 03:45.41 | Tramp | xactly |
| 03:46.04 | Titan8990 | zerothis: as a test of at you should have it just do something like: `echo foobar > ~/foobar.txt` |
| 03:46.05 | zerothis | yes, I expected ksnapshot to popup on my desktop. however, I considered that this CLI command might not run a GUI app. So I also tried to use "ls", a CLI command. Still nothing. |
| 03:46.37 | Titan8990 | zerothis: how do you know ls did not run? did you output it to a file? |
| 03:46.37 | Tramp | zerothis: even tha manpage for "at" says, that DISPLAY is not kept. and "ls" does not have a terminal to write to |
| 03:47.07 | Tramp | probably the output gets mailed, as it's the case for cron |
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| 03:48.19 | Tramp | zerothis: so check your mailbox for the ls output - and for errors from "ksnapshot" complaining about not having a DISPLAY |
| 03:48.38 | Tortel | i hate it when apps complain |
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| 03:49.02 | Tramp | usually they complain about their users, although they don't directly say that. |
| 03:49.30 | Tortel | or if you try and compile something, they could complain about the programmer :P |
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| 03:49.49 | Titan8990 | who is the user of the compiler |
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| 03:50.12 | zerothis | well writing the output to a file did the trick for ls. (echo failed, I understand now that echo didn't know where to write it). the ultimate goal is to 'write' the command to my X display. is there a way to do that? |
| 03:50.48 | Tramp | "echo" knows very well where to write: to stdout. |
| 03:51.03 | shogunx | xmessage is probably what you want. |
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| 03:55.06 | Tramp | most of all he wants his command to have a DISPLAY |
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| 03:55.39 | Tramp | at>DISPLAY=:foo.bar kfoobar |
| 03:55.54 | Tramp | and hope that this DISPLAY is accessible when kfoobar is started |
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| 03:57.05 | shogunx | what is he trying to accomplish? automate something and have a little message pop up on his gui telling him how it went? |
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| 03:57.24 | Tramp | I really neither know nor care |
| 03:57.28 | shogunx | heh |
| 03:57.41 | zerothis | yup, it mailed the ls output. also says "knsapshot: cannot connect to X server" |
| 03:57.59 | zerothis | I'm trying to take a screenshot at a specific time |
| 03:58.02 | Tramp | see. I'm psychic |
| 03:58.43 | shogunx | sounds like an at job in the xinit to me |
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| 04:01.21 | ZiG|ZaG | my pc is hanging whenever i try to update my music collection in amarok, exaile or rhythmbox. Anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 04:06.06 | karlpinc | ZiG|ZaG: That would depend on what you mean by "update" and "hanging". |
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| 04:08.59 | ZiG|ZaG | karlpinc Getting the program to scan my collection for the first time, by hanging I mean the programs window goes grey then I can't kill the process until the pc is restarted |
| 04:09.01 | zerothis | well, I'm just gonna have to mess with cron I guess |
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| 04:09.45 | ZiG|ZaG | karlpinc additionally I can't run any other media player once one of the others has crashed |
| 04:10.19 | karlpinc | One of my drives failed. Looks like something on the board. It's part of a 2 disk vg so I presume my 2nd disk is trash too. I'm thinking about replacing the pcb. I'm lead to understand that drives remap bad blocks themselves. If this map is on the pcb then just swapping the pcb won't work, right? I'd have to move a static ram chip from the old board to the new, or some such. Right? Any suggestions for getting data off either of the 2 drives in the |
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| 04:10.55 | karlpinc | ZiG|ZaG: Dunno. I don't do much audio. You can't kill it with kill -9? |
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| 04:30.28 | ZiG|ZaG | karlpinc i haven't tried kill -9 i will very shortly however |
| 04:31.39 | ZiG|ZaG | i would have thought this would be a common issue, i can't locate the problem anywhere else however |
| 04:34.41 | ZiG|ZaG | it might kill the process on some level, doesn't mean I can restart it however |
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| 04:42.52 | karlpinc | ZiG|ZaG: What do you mean "scan"? My guess is either you've backend db problems, in which case logs and/or running from the console will show additional info. Or maybe you've problems supporting sound. |
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| 04:53.40 | Rezagrats | Anyone have a ASRock A780LM and use Debian on it ? |
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| 05:16.36 | GuilhermeCunha | mount: /dev/loop0: not possible to mount the superblock |
| 05:16.51 | GuilhermeCunha | why ? |
| 05:17.00 | GuilhermeCunha | im trying to mount a iso image |
| 05:17.29 | karlpinc | GuilhermeCunha: Tried "-t iso9660" ? |
| 05:17.47 | karlpinc | GuilhermeCunha: For that matter what did you type? |
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| 05:22.22 | blast_hardcheese | What filesystem takes advantage of NAND flash the best? I've got a 64gb drive, and of the filesystems I've looked at, the one I'd really like to try is UBIFS, but that doesn't seem available in testing, at least (maybe sid, need to look) |
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| 05:31.22 | rgr | is there a way to get gnome to regenerate my menus? About 2/3 of things do not have an icon for some reason. |
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| 05:35.37 | metasmv | rgr, see if this changes anything: right click on desktop, sellect 'change desktop background', go to 'interface', sellect show icons in menus. |
| 05:35.57 | metasmv | not sure, not using the english interface |
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| 05:36.25 | wweasel | I'm installing Debian for the first time (but have long used Ubuntu), and am wondering what packages are contained in the "Laptop" and "Standard system" collections of the Software Selection installer page. I've looked for a summary online but couldn't find one (my google-fu might be weak?) |
| 05:38.06 | wweasel | If someone could tell me about the "Laptop" one in particular or point me to a webpage, i'd be really appreciative. |
| 05:40.26 | rgr | metasmv: thanks, but no change |
| 05:43.06 | \amethyst | wweasel: aptitude search ~tlaptop |
| 05:44.13 | wweasel | \amethyst: I'm in the Graphical installer and don't have any other debian systems, but from what you're suggesting, does that mean I could install the collection later if I want it? |
| 05:44.23 | \amethyst | wweasel: yes, with the program 'tasksel' |
| 05:44.28 | \amethyst | wweasel: or with aptitude |
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| 05:44.50 | \amethyst | wweasel: it's mostly power management, wireless, and bluetooth stuff |
| 05:44.57 | wweasel | Hrm, okay, then I guess I'll leave it off for now. |
| 05:45.26 | wweasel | I'm using the laptop as a server. It'll be wired, has no bluetooth, and be plugged into AC always. |
| 05:45.50 | wweasel | So i'm guessing much of that will be unnecessary. |
| 05:46.21 | wweasel | Thanks for your help \amethyst! |
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| 05:48.27 | WaterRatj | Anyone care on explaining difference betwee remove and pruge |
| 05:48.31 | WaterRatj | *purge |
| 05:49.50 | wols | purging removes things like config files as well |
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| 05:50.49 | \amethyst | WaterRatj: when you remove a package, conffiles stay around, and if you later reinstall you'll have the same configuration |
| 05:51.15 | WaterRatj | ah ok |
| 05:51.16 | WaterRatj | thanks |
| 05:51.28 | \amethyst | WaterRatj: also, if you remove the package, delete the conffiles by hand, then reinstall, you'll still have no conffiles (the deletion is considered a user modification) |
| 05:51.59 | GuilhermeCunha | karlpinc, i'm trying to install a debian with pxe boot |
| 05:52.24 | GuilhermeCunha | and need to mount the iso to offer for the client machina |
| 05:52.28 | GuilhermeCunha | machine* |
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| 05:53.12 | WaterRatj | \amethyst: So whats best? If i want to remove something with conf files? just use purge? |
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| 05:53.35 | GuilhermeCunha | have other application to decompress the file? |
| 05:54.05 | \amethyst | WaterRatj: if you are not planning on reinstalling it later, or if you want a clean install when you do, I would purge |
| 05:54.55 | \amethyst | WaterRatj: if you're removing it temporarily, e.g. to work around a dependency problem, I'd just remove |
| 05:55.08 | WaterRatj | \amethyst: So if you purge it and still need it later(all of a sudden) you still will be able to install it |
| 05:55.58 | \amethyst | WaterRatj: yeah, purging just means you'd get a brand-new default configuration when you do, and lose any customizations you made |
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| 05:56.20 | WaterRatj | \amethyst: Thanks |
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| 06:10.07 | porter1 | Would anyone happen to know if just using the kernel off of kernel.org would work with debian kindly, or is there some way for me to get the debian kernel, debian kernel patches? I don't really want it in a package, but most guides online explain building the package as well... |
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| 06:18.43 | Andrew1141 | After I apt-get update, how can i view the package list? |
| 06:20.04 | Andrew1141 | Or..how do i search for a package using console? |
| 06:20.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | ... apt-get search ... |
| 06:20.27 | cast | aptitude search pkg |
| 06:20.31 | metasmv | !tell Andrew1141 why aptitude |
| 06:20.44 | cast | if you do 'aptitude' it'll show you the package lists |
| 06:20.52 | cast | [in an ncurses interface] |
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| 06:21.00 | Andrew1141 | I'm not using debian..i'm using puppy linux, but i installed "apt-get" and trying to make it work on that distro. |
| 06:21.07 | Andrew1141 | ok thanks. |
| 06:21.34 | cast | Andrew1141: in that case gtfo |
| 06:21.46 | Andrew1141 | cast, in that case fuck the hell off you dickhead |
| 06:22.09 | Andrew1141 | I'm trying to install particular debian applications on puppy linux..this is new to me..so it's alearning experience |
| 06:22.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | its still irrelevant to this channel |
| 06:22.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | and please pull your head in |
| 06:23.03 | cast | Andrew1141: see, i don't care. i'm in #debian, we talk about debian. not how to get some debian features into puppy linux. |
| 06:23.21 | Andrew1141 | i'm using the debain apt-get, aptitude and dpkg |
| 06:23.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | but not debian |
| 06:24.14 | Andrew1141 | Kamping_Kaiser, it downloads OK, but there are dependancy problems i'm trying to fix. |
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| 06:24.22 | Andrew1141 | missing libraries etc.. |
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| 06:25.02 | Andrew1141 | Anyway..i'll try the above methods..thanks..sorry about the outburst earlier : ) |
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| 06:25.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | good luck with it |
| 06:26.20 | cast | you should install debian, in other news. |
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| 06:29.28 | jony123 | (just setup my first apt respository!!) Now some questions WHen i made my Packages.gz with dpkg-scanpackages i got this ** Packages in archive but missing from override file: ** Do i need to worry about this. (This is just a small repository for some themes and such.) |
| 06:29.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jony123: no you don't |
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| 06:31.09 | jony123 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks. Thats everything sweet then. Ima start reading up on how to build .debs now. :) |
| 06:31.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | jony123: nice work :) |
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| 06:37.02 | rgr | how do I get /usr/dict/words in debian? Cant find it in the semantic. |
| 06:37.04 | fireun | so I do an update, lots of updates, I do an upgrade... lots of 404 not found 149.20.20.135:80 (ftp.us.debian.org sid/main |
| 06:37.18 | fireun | any suggestions? |
| 06:39.06 | fireun | nm, works now /: |
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| 06:39.19 | fireun | thinks that was odd |
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| 06:40.09 | aaron | hey i have a question what are those.... images call from planet.debian.org? |
| 06:40.13 | aaron | hacksee |
| 06:40.16 | aaron | or something like that |
| 06:40.27 | \amethyst | aaron: hackergotchi |
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| 06:47.09 | AbyssV3 | Ok, so, trying to install Debian on my new netbook. Here's my situation: Windows 7 computer, EeePC (no CDROM drive), Flash Drive. So far, the furthest I got was using UNetbootin to get debian on the flash drive. Loaded it, started to install, flips out because there's no CDRom Drive. |
| 06:47.24 | AbyssV3 | Anyone know a solution to that, or have any other good ways to get Debian installed? |
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| 07:03.15 | aaron | AbyssV3, trying doing a netinsta;; |
| 07:03.19 | aaron | AbyssV3, trying doing a netinstall |
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| 07:04.00 | AbyssV3 | aaron: seems like the netinstall isn't seeing my network card. |
| 07:04.18 | aaron | oh then try burning a dvd from some where.. |
| 07:04.27 | aaron | and take it from there |
| 07:04.29 | AbyssV3 | The EeePC has no CDROM drive. |
| 07:04.37 | aaron | oh true |
| 07:04.41 | AbyssV3 | :P |
| 07:04.54 | metasmv | AbyssV3, make a live-debian usb and install debian using debootstrap. quite complicated... |
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| 07:05.16 | AbyssV3 | metasmv: I'm not sure what all that entails. If it's complicated, it may not be worth the effort. |
| 07:05.49 | AbyssV3 | In a couple days, I'll be reloading it with a windows 7 enterprise, I'm just trying to get something going while I don't have a disk, lol |
| 07:05.50 | wols | AbyssV3: use the mini iso |
| 07:05.53 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 07:06.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | AbyssV3: whats the network card? |
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| 07:06.27 | AbyssV3 | I'm not sure. Let me look it up. |
| 07:06.41 | AbyssV3 | cahoot: that requires having linux installed on a machinet og et it loaded onto the USB drive, doesn't it? |
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| 07:08.42 | cahoot | true - sorry for the noise |
| 07:08.42 | AbyssV3 | For the life of me, I cannot find any websites with the information about the network card, other than saying it supports Wireless and which modes of Wireless. |
| 07:09.09 | wols | AbyssV3: what exact netbook model? |
| 07:09.19 | AbyssV3 | EeePC 1005PEB |
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| 07:14.21 | AbyssV3 | Using UNetbootin to install DSL to the flash right now, seeing if that works. |
| 07:15.32 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install - already old news AbyssV3 ? |
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| 07:16.17 | AbyssV3 | cahoot: the major means it discusses is using linux to put the stuff on the flash drive. it gives note to windows options, which I've tried 2 of, that I found information on. |
| 07:16.47 | AbyssV3 | cahoot: the dd method they discussed, well, the tutorial I read had you dd the drive (which makes Windows unable to read it) then told you to copy the iso over.. which is impossible at that point |
| 07:16.58 | fxiny | what's happening to aptitude ? none of this packages frome debian security are installed on my system : http://paste.debian.net/59708/ |
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| 07:17.11 | AbyssV3 | cahoot: and the UNetbootin method, I've been using since I got it. It's very effective at getting the distro onto the USB drive. |
| 07:17.20 | fxiny | apt-get happily ignores 'em |
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| 07:19.00 | manixor | Hello all. |
| 07:20.19 | manixor | I just install Debian, and I put a flash drive in my USB port, and nothing. The volume is not mount. I got this error too: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied., what's happening? |
| 07:22.27 | fxiny | ok founnd it : i removed google-chrome.list from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:22.55 | fxiny | going to tell oftc |
| 07:23.04 | fxiny | keep on sleeping :P |
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| 07:23.08 | metasmv | lol |
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| 07:28.35 | AbyssV3 | Well, thanks guys. |
| 07:28.51 | AbyssV3 | Tried everything I really could. No point in taking this any furhter, I'll just get a disc tomorrow and do what I originally intended on doing. |
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| 07:36.00 | WaterRatj | Crap: Hmm, Debian hangs on booting |
| 07:37.05 | WaterRatj | How can I figure out why it hangs at boot? |
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| 07:37.27 | NiLon | look at screen |
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| 07:37.50 | WaterRatj | No errors |
| 07:38.18 | NiLon | it might not show any error.. |
| 07:38.24 | NiLon | check what it did for last and there you go |
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| 07:39.39 | metasmv | remove 'quiet' from the grub command line |
| 07:39.51 | WaterRatj | last line is |
| 07:40.05 | WaterRatj | usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid |
| 07:40.20 | WaterRatj | usbhid: v2.6: USB HID CORE driver |
| 07:40.21 | WaterRatj | then hangs |
| 07:40.38 | NiLon | how long did you wait? |
| 07:41.03 | WaterRatj | min? |
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| 07:42.00 | NiLon | got any usb devices connected that might cause system to poll em for long time (maybe till timeout)? |
| 07:42.21 | WaterRatj | have , mouse, bluetooth,cam lol |
| 07:42.34 | WaterRatj | and wireless |
| 07:42.57 | WaterRatj | Ah getting a error now |
| 07:43.12 | WaterRatj | Gave up waiting for root device |
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| 07:45.20 | WaterRatj | why is it waiting for root, was a fresh install |
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| 07:45.29 | wols | cause it can't mount it |
| 07:45.39 | WaterRatj | yeah but why |
| 07:46.01 | wols | what is the exact error? |
| 07:46.38 | WaterRatj | sec hanging, waiting for error |
| 07:46.48 | WaterRatj | it seems its like waiting for the root file |
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| 07:48.52 | akav | I'm trying a net install of Debian testing from a USB flash drive, and downloading additional components is taking FOREVER. |
| 07:49.00 | akav | no progress bar, no back or cancel... |
| 07:49.26 | wols | what components exactly? ie how far along the installation are you? |
| 07:49.32 | WaterRatj | strange says ALERT /dev/hdd1 does not exist |
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| 07:50.03 | akav | wols: well first there was a shorter download cycle, I forget what that was labeled. This is a second stage called "additional components" |
| 07:50.11 | akav | currently on e2fsprogs-udeb |
| 07:50.25 | wols | akav: you don't really need them. you already have a working, albeit minimal, debian |
| 07:50.32 | neoice | so if gdm is in 'xkeepscrashing' mode, is there any way to recover it without physically being at the console? |
| 07:50.55 | wols | so you can for example cancel and choose a different debian mirror which is hopefulyl faster, then either run tasksel again or aptitude install <stuff> |
| 07:51.19 | wols | neoice: what's the problem of gdm crashing if you are not at the console? |
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| 07:51.41 | akav | wols: This appears to be a fixed part of the install. Nothing has been installed to the HD yet. |
| 07:51.46 | neoice | wols: I was trying to set up x11vnc and it requires a working session |
| 07:52.44 | wols | akav: you lie. you say something about "additional components" and still say nothing at all has been installed. how can it be "additional" then, additional to what? |
| 07:53.02 | WaterRatj | I think I found the problem ö |
| 07:53.24 | WaterRatj | I removed the cdrom drive from my pc, how can i fix it so it doesn't make any problems of it? |
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| 07:53.48 | wols | WaterRatj: edit your menu.lst |
| 07:54.01 | metasmv | edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 07:54.21 | WaterRatj | what should i change? |
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| 07:55.08 | akav | wols: After selecting my host name, I was asked to select a mirror to download. And the header says "Download installer components" |
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| 07:57.13 | metasmv | akav, are you using the businesscard iso on that usb, or the netinst one? the netinst one does not need to download the installer... |
| 07:58.00 | akav | metasmv, may be the businesscard. I selected it from the UNetBootin choices; didn't download directly from the web site. |
| 07:58.20 | akav | I think I'll have to just try it over; this download is going a lot slower than it ought to. |
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| 07:59.00 | metasmv | i'd reboot and chose another repo... |
| 07:59.46 | metasmv | or even better i'd try to make the usb using better sources... |
| 07:59.49 | WaterRatj | Can anyone help me on my issue? On how to remove my cdrom drive and to make it so my debian finds the right hdd on boot? |
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| 08:00.05 | akav | metasmv, it does say "Testing_NetInstall" fwiw |
| 08:00.42 | metasmv | can you mount the usb and see exactly the name of the iso? |
| 08:00.42 | wols | akav: is there any special reason you use testing for installing? |
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| 08:01.32 | akav | wols: Umm, because I want to run testing. |
| 08:01.59 | wols | that's no reason to use a testing installer |
| 08:02.00 | macrobat | WaterRatj: you can use uuid or labels for your partitions (in fstab and menu.lst) |
| 08:02.11 | wols | testing installer is there to test the installer itself |
| 08:02.23 | wols | I'd install stable and upgrade |
| 08:02.38 | WaterRatj | macrobat: Sounds good but how? i'm new at this |
| 08:02.40 | macrobat | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 08:03.32 | akav | wols, that's the standard way to get to testing? |
| 08:03.49 | macrobat | WaterRatj: here's a guide i found, not debian, though http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Persistent_block_device_naming |
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| 08:05.12 | macrobat | akav: you use a minimal netinstall, then edit sources.list and update/full-upgrade with aptitude |
| 08:05.13 | wols | as I said: install stable, upgrade to testing |
| 08:05.28 | babilen | WaterRatj: Have a look at 'blkid' to get the UUIDs of your devices |
| 08:05.44 | wols | however that probably doesn't cure a slow mirror to install from |
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| 08:06.57 | metasmv | i think using the testing installer should work too. the trick is to be made corectly. not sure about what unetbootin does... |
| 08:07.05 | macrobat | WaterRatj: also, dont edit the _automagic_ part of your menu.lst, edit the singly quoted lines |
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| 08:07.47 | WaterRatj | macrobat: I lost what to do, everyone telling me to do something, now i don't know where to start and what to do |
| 08:08.01 | macrobat | :) |
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| 08:08.47 | macrobat | 1) you need a way to refer to your partitions, a way that wont change. use uuid |
| 08:08.49 | babilen | WaterRatj: You acquire the uuid with the command 'blkid' - You can then edit your fstab and your grub config and replace the device identifiers (/dev/XXX) with the UUID |
| 08:09.10 | macrobat | 2) what babilen said :) |
| 08:09.17 | WaterRatj | Okay i'll try that |
| 08:09.46 | wols | wonders why there is a / entry in fstab |
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| 08:10.06 | WaterRatj | babilen: sounds noobish but that command doesn't work |
| 08:10.15 | macrobat | WaterRatj: as root |
| 08:10.17 | babilen | WaterRatj: Run it as root / with sudo |
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| 08:10.40 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 08:11.01 | WaterRatj | * is not in the sudoers file. Thus incident will be reported :p |
| 08:11.07 | WaterRatj | prolly forgot to make myself root |
| 08:11.23 | babilen | WaterRatj: Uh oh - Now you have problems. :-) |
| 08:11.29 | WaterRatj | lol:p |
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| 08:11.43 | akav | wols, oddly enough my netbook is going super-slow through ethernet even in Windows. So it's not the Debian installer. |
| 08:11.49 | akav | wols, maybe the router. |
| 08:11.53 | macrobat | you have to go to the principals office, WaterRatj |
| 08:12.01 | WaterRatj | how do i make my useraccount be able to use root commands |
| 08:12.02 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 08:12.13 | WaterRatj | darrnit, i'll be expelled |
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| 08:12.46 | macrobat | you can set sudo to insult you if you give it the wrong pw |
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| 08:13.19 | WaterRatj | lol what? |
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| 08:13.31 | babilen | WaterRatj: You setup sudo. Use 'visudo' to edit the 'sudoers' file. Refer to 'man sudoers' - You probably want to add a line 'YOUR_USER ALL=(ALL) ALL' in the '#User privilege ...' section |
| 08:13.52 | metasmv | that insult thing is default in OpenBSD. lol |
| 08:14.39 | WaterRatj | so i first login as root to make my other account root? |
| 08:14.47 | babilen | WaterRatj: Replace the 'Defaults env_reset' with 'Defaults insults, env_reset' |
| 08:14.58 | babilen | WaterRatj: correct |
| 08:15.13 | WaterRatj | eum |
| 08:15.29 | WaterRatj | systemuser may not login are something ö |
| 08:15.29 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 08:15.31 | macrobat | WaterRatj: if you dont know how to use vi, "export EDITOR=nano" |
| 08:15.51 | macrobat | you set the root passwd first |
| 08:15.56 | babilen | I think nano is the default ... not sure though :-\ |
| 08:16.14 | WaterRatj | i have a root user with password |
| 08:16.33 | metasmv | su - |
| 08:16.33 | wols | babilen: it is for /etc/alternatives |
| 08:16.36 | neoice | does X need a monitor hooked up to the video card to start? |
| 08:16.38 | wols | WaterRatj: then use it. no need for sudo |
| 08:16.46 | macrobat | su to root, then |
| 08:16.54 | wols | neoice: no. X doesn't even need a videocard if configured properly |
| 08:17.10 | neoice | wols: yeah, I can get it to run headless+vnc |
| 08:17.23 | wols | without monitor, it might not know which resolution to take tho |
| 08:17.36 | neoice | but VNC doesnt play nice with WINE so I was going to try x11vnc (which attatches to the console X session) |
| 08:18.13 | nsadmin | why do you need X without a monitor |
| 08:18.21 | WaterRatj | i added myself must i reboot or something to have it apply? |
| 08:18.23 | neoice | x11vnc. |
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| 08:18.49 | babilen | WaterRatj: No |
| 08:18.53 | nsadmin | so, you can just as easily ssh in |
| 08:19.07 | neoice | I dunno, I'm trying way too hard to do something pointless |
| 08:19.08 | WaterRatj | strange still gives that warning while i try when i added myself |
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| 08:20.38 | nsadmin | that's kinda what I was thinking too... the thing is you don't need to run an x server at all on the (what do you call the machine in question) |
| 08:20.41 | babilen | WaterRatj: You have added the 'WaterRatj ALL=(ALL) ALL' line to the sudoers file? |
| 08:20.46 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 08:20.53 | WaterRatj | wel waterratj |
| 08:20.59 | babilen | yeah |
| 08:21.19 | WaterRatj | wtf its gone again |
| 08:21.22 | WaterRatj | hmm |
| 08:21.26 | babilen | And you still get the 'waterratj is not ....' warning? |
| 08:21.30 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 08:21.44 | WaterRatj | when i do that visudo it opens /etc/sudoers.tmp |
| 08:21.51 | WaterRatj | why tmp? |
| 08:21.56 | babilen | WaterRatj: You have to save that file ... Look at the bottom. It is CTRL+W (^W) |
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| 08:22.08 | metasmv | i think he got the 'We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator' bla bla bla |
| 08:22.25 | WaterRatj | save save ^O |
| 08:22.28 | WaterRatj | *says |
| 08:22.32 | babilen | WaterRatj: The file is checked for correctness before it is installed. |
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| 08:22.51 | babilen | WaterRatj: Ok - It's ^O then :-) |
| 08:22.56 | WaterRatj | ok so i added it wrong |
| 08:22.58 | WaterRatj | ? |
| 08:23.01 | WaterRatj | i'll try again |
| 08:23.18 | WaterRatj | its that a tab between options or space? |
| 08:23.26 | WaterRatj | *is |
| 08:23.40 | metasmv | both ok i guess |
| 08:24.01 | babilen | I guess it just needs whitespace there - I would use a tab though |
| 08:24.50 | WaterRatj | k works now |
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| 08:25.20 | babilen | :-) |
| 08:25.42 | WaterRatj | so in fstab i change the word /dev/blabla to that number? |
| 08:25.45 | nsadmin | pretty much the only thing I know of which is a file where it matters whether you tab or space is Makefile |
| 08:26.41 | babilen | WaterRatj: The line should look like: "UUID=your_uuid ..." |
| 08:26.44 | wols | WaterRatj: only you can know |
| 08:27.30 | WaterRatj | yes i see that line UUID="" when i use blkid |
| 08:27.51 | WaterRatj | but what part of fstab should i change? |
| 08:28.15 | babilen | WaterRatj: The first entry (i.e. /dev/XXX) |
| 08:28.43 | WaterRatj | so /dev/hdd1 would become 7fa3b...... ? |
| 08:28.58 | babilen | WaterRatj: And *don't* enclose the UUID in '' or "" |
| 08:29.16 | WaterRatj | so just the string without ''s |
| 08:29.20 | babilen | No - /dev/hdd1 would become "UUID=73fa3b...." |
| 08:29.26 | WaterRatj | ah ok lol |
| 08:29.45 | babilen | !lol |
| 08:29.45 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:30.00 | WaterRatj | still I love it :p |
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| 08:30.06 | metasmv | WaterRatj, just to be sure, pastebin /etc/fstab and ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 08:30.22 | WaterRatj | ok |
| 08:30.36 | babilen | metasmv: or the output of 'blkid' instead of 'ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/' |
| 08:30.36 | WaterRatj | i'll first try and install my internet wire less on that pc |
| 08:30.52 | metasmv | heh |
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| 08:31.13 | WaterRatj | do i need drivrs or does debian already have them? |
| 08:31.23 | babilen | is 'to pastebin' already in the OED? |
| 08:31.31 | wols | WaterRatj: depends on the drivers needed |
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| 08:32.02 | babilen | WaterRatj: Depends - Paste the output of 'lspci -nn|grep -i network' |
| 08:32.36 | WaterRatj | lol shows nothing lol |
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| 08:33.03 | babilen | paste the complete output of 'lspci -nn' to a pastebin then |
| 08:33.07 | wols | WaterRatj: lspci -nn then |
| 08:33.09 | metasmv | babilen, is blkid 'new'? didn't knew about it... |
| 08:33.17 | WaterRatj | well don't have interet on that pc |
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| 08:33.35 | babilen | metasmv: It was there when i started to use UUIDs - so I dunno |
| 08:33.39 | WaterRatj | i'll paste on txt and put on stick and post on pastebin with this p :p |
| 08:33.41 | babilen | WaterRatj: exactly .. :-) |
| 08:33.48 | babilen | WaterRatj: No need for that |
| 08:33.54 | WaterRatj | ? |
| 08:33.58 | metasmv | still has to read the manuals then... |
| 08:34.05 | WaterRatj | How do i paste it then? |
| 08:34.07 | babilen | WaterRatj: We are interested in the pciid - It's the part in [....] at the end of the line |
| 08:34.20 | WaterRatj | ah |
| 08:34.21 | WaterRatj | ok |
| 08:34.30 | babilen | WaterRatj: Just find the line that corresponds to your wireless adaptor and give us that number |
| 08:34.34 | wols | babilen: the pciid list might not be up to date on the debian installer. it probably isn't |
| 08:34.35 | WaterRatj | [8086:1039] (rev 82) |
| 08:34.53 | babilen | ,pciid 8086:1039 |
| 08:34.55 | judd | [8086:1039] is '82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'e100', 'eepro100' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1039 |
| 08:35.13 | babilen | WaterRatj: That is your wired adaptor |
| 08:35.20 | WaterRatj | How do i install it? |
| 08:35.33 | babilen | should be working already |
| 08:35.43 | WaterRatj | i have nowhere a wireless applet |
| 08:35.57 | wols | it's not a wireless adapter. it's a ethernet adapter |
| 08:36.05 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 08:36.11 | WaterRatj | don't have cable :p |
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| 08:36.32 | babilen | Is it an USB adaptor? |
| 08:36.33 | wols | then look some more until you find the wlan adapter |
| 08:37.11 | WaterRatj | hmm doesn't list one ö |
| 08:37.23 | agike | Can anyone suggest why downloading mail results in an empty mutt inbox ? |
| 08:37.37 | agike | What am I missing here ? |
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| 08:37.44 | babilen | agike: Wrong mailbox setting in mutt? |
| 08:38.21 | WaterRatj | babilen: Yes forgot to say its a usb one |
| 08:38.29 | agike | Hmm .. I've been going over it but can't see it. |
| 08:38.41 | babilen | WaterRatj: huh? I am *asking* you if it is an USB one |
| 08:38.51 | wols | lsusb |
| 08:38.57 | babilen | agike: Have a look at that directory and check that your mail is there |
| 08:39.00 | WaterRatj | yes said so a bit later :p |
| 08:39.21 | agike | babilen: which dir ? |
| 08:39.31 | WaterRatj | what do i paste here from lsusb? |
| 08:39.49 | babilen | agike: The one you assume your mail to be in |
| 08:40.13 | agike | babilen: cheers, I'll check .. |
| 08:40.23 | nsadmin | WaterRatj you can paste-bin- the whole thing (not -paste- anything here) |
| 08:40.25 | WaterRatj | Bus 004 Device 004: ID 07d1:3c03 D-Link System DWL-G122 802.11G ADapter [ralink rt73] |
| 08:40.29 | WaterRatj | oeps |
| 08:40.30 | WaterRatj | sorry |
| 08:40.38 | WaterRatj | again read to late |
| 08:40.38 | babilen | it's ok |
| 08:40.40 | nsadmin | oh well, one line, that's cool |
| 08:41.08 | babilen | dwl-g122 |
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| 08:41.18 | babilen | !dwl-g122 |
| 08:41.18 | dpkg | The DWL-G122 is a USB wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link, which contains either a Prism54 or Ralink chipset depending on your device's hardware revision. Ask me about <p54> if you have hardware revision A1 or A2. Ask me about <rt2500usb> if you have hardware revision B1. Ask me about <rt73usb> if you have hardware revision C1, C2 or C5. |
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| 08:41.44 | WaterRatj | Wish one should i choose? |
| 08:41.53 | babilen | !rt73usb |
| 08:41.53 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. For driver and firmware installation on Etch systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 08:42.01 | WaterRatj | lol nvm |
| 08:42.02 | WaterRatj | C1 |
| 08:42.07 | wols | WaterRatj: your netbook should have a atheros wlan chip inside |
| 08:42.25 | WaterRatj | i don't have a netbook |
| 08:42.38 | wols | didn't you have a asus 1005peb? |
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| 08:42.44 | WaterRatj | no |
| 08:42.50 | babilen | !tell WaterRatj -about ralink firmware |
| 08:42.55 | WaterRatj | its desktop |
| 08:43.51 | agike | babilen: ~/mail/inbox has empty new, cur, & tmp directories .. |
| 08:43.57 | babilen | WaterRatj: Download the 'ralink-firmware' package from lenny (search http://packages.debian.org) and install it on that computer using 'dpkg -i firmware-raling?????.deb' |
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| 08:44.33 | babilen | agike: How do you download you mail? Do you use procmail? Check that you set that directory correctly ... |
| 08:44.37 | WaterRatj | can't find it on the site? |
| 08:44.48 | manixor | Hello. I using Windows Vista and Debian on the same PC. I have different partition for each system, and I have one more partition where I keep my data. But I can see this partition only from Windows. Is normal because this partition is a ntfs partition. I tried to format it in fat32 format, from Windows but is not possible because I can select only NTFS(default) format. how can I format that partition with fat32, and in this way to have access to it from De |
| 08:44.48 | manixor | bian? |
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| 08:45.00 | agike | yep, procmail. OK, will do .. |
| 08:45.13 | babilen | WaterRatj: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink |
| 08:45.31 | agike | babilen: MAILDIR=$HOME/mail |
| 08:45.39 | wols | manixor: debian can access ntfs partitions just fine |
| 08:45.46 | wols | !tell manixor about ntfs-3g |
| 08:45.57 | WaterRatj | babilen: Is that the only package I need? |
| 08:46.05 | babilen | agike: Paste your .procmailrc please (remove personal information) |
| 08:46.10 | babilen | WaterRatj: yes |
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| 08:46.30 | babilen | WaterRatj: hmm - depends ... Do you need to connect to an encrypted WLAN? |
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| 08:47.20 | WaterRatj | think it has encryption? |
| 08:47.33 | babilen | How could I know? |
| 08:47.48 | babilen | It's *your* WLAN :-) |
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| 08:49.00 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 08:49.05 | WaterRatj | sec installing firmwire first |
| 08:49.20 | manixor | wols: So I just need to install ntfs-3g, on debian, and I will see all ntfs partitions? |
| 08:49.44 | babilen | !tell manixor about ntfsrw |
| 08:50.05 | wols | manixor: you will not to configure it too. like editing your fstab |
| 08:50.07 | WaterRatj | ok i installed that firmware |
| 08:50.07 | babilen | manixor: I was told that 'ntfsmount' is the way to go these days |
| 08:51.07 | babilen | WaterRatj: 'modprobe -r rt73usb && modprobe rt73usb' |
| 08:51.18 | agike | babilen: .muttrc is at http://pastebin.com/m335ff2ef |
| 08:51.29 | babilen | WaterRatj: Have a look at 'dmesg | tail -n 10' afterwards and check for errors |
| 08:51.48 | agike | babilen: erm .. .procmailrc |
| 08:52.17 | WaterRatj | lol modprobe command not found |
| 08:52.19 | babilen | agike: You are missing the '/' in the end of your rules ($MAILDIR/friends --> $MAILDIR/friends/) |
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| 08:52.26 | babilen | WaterRatj: root ;-) |
| 08:52.47 | babilen | agike: That way procmail creates mbox and not maildir |
| 08:53.04 | babilen | agike: Check for mbox files in $HOME/mail/ |
| 08:53.28 | babilen | agike: I mean the way you configured procmail it uses mbox and not maildir |
| 08:54.11 | babilen | agike: You've done it correctly for inbox though - Is that intentional? |
| 08:54.31 | WaterRatj | babilen: last two lines are usbcore: deregistering interface driver rt73usb | registered new interface driver rt73usb |
| 08:54.41 | babilen | WaterRatj: Looks good |
| 08:54.57 | agike | babilen: intentional ? no, confused .. |
| 08:55.00 | WaterRatj | Now how i get a wireless applet to find networks? |
| 08:55.08 | babilen | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 08:56.15 | babilen | !tell agike -about procmail tutorial |
| 08:57.03 | babilen | agike: In particular: http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/#mailboxFormats |
| 08:57.11 | agike | babilen: thanks, I found maildir files in $HOME/mail/ |
| 08:57.20 | babilen | mbox? |
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| 08:58.17 | agike | babilen: cur inbox new sent tmp |
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| 08:58.32 | babilen | agike: ok |
| 08:58.48 | babilen | agike: You might want to tweak your procmailrc and check it for correctness |
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| 08:58.59 | babilen | agike: when you are done you can use something like: |
| 08:59.02 | babilen | mailboxes `find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 08:59.34 | babilen | in your .muttrc - That will find all maildirs beneath ~/mail/ and configure mutt to use it automatically |
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| 09:00.20 | babilen | so you don't have to configure mutt for every single maildir you use |
| 09:00.26 | WaterRatj | babilen: i had to download that gnome manager, buthow do i manually install it? |
| 09:00.58 | wols | dpkg -i <packagefile> |
| 09:00.58 | dpkg | removes a kidney from wols and replaces it with <packagefile> |
| 09:01.07 | babilen | muahuahua! |
| 09:01.21 | wols | babilen: the funny part is, I'm on dialysis in the real world |
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| 09:01.40 | babilen | uh - :-\ |
| 09:01.57 | babilen | dpkg: You have dark humour |
| 09:01.57 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:02.00 | powal | which is the package to watch Apple Quicktime movies? |
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| 09:02.12 | syn-ack | powal: check out VLC |
| 09:02.16 | rudi_s_ | powal: VLC or mplayer should work for most movies. |
| 09:02.18 | powal | ok |
| 09:02.42 | wols | powal: pretty much all videoplayers should work. if it uses an apple specific codec like sorenson, you are out of luck tho |
| 09:02.42 | dark | dpkg, you have a light humor |
| 09:02.43 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:02.48 | WaterRatj | grrr lol |
| 09:02.56 | powal | hang on, i have mplayer but i am not able to watch Apple's Quicktime Avatar trailer online. |
| 09:03.01 | dark | dpkg, your humor? |
| 09:03.02 | dpkg | dark: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:03.04 | syn-ack | dpkg sucks. :P |
| 09:03.04 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, syn-ack |
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| 09:03.09 | dark | .-. |
| 09:03.13 | babilen | agike: Also make sure that you have "set mbox_type=maildir" in your muttrc |
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| 09:03.35 | babilen | syn-ack: dpkg would never touch your noodly appendage with it's lips |
| 09:03.43 | dark | syn-ack, no i like it =) I already helped someone with the same problem I had with nvidias in testing with /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 09:04.08 | syn-ack | Noodly... that's funny. you dont even know what I have, son |
| 09:04.10 | dark | i wouldn't remember |
| 09:04.10 | syn-ack | :D |
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| 09:05.11 | agike | babilen: mailboxes `find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 09:05.11 | agike | find: `/root/mail/': No such file or directory |
| 09:05.11 | agike | bash: mailboxes: command not found |
| 09:05.32 | syn-ack | that's because you're in the root user's account |
| 09:05.40 | agike | babilen: set mbox_type=maildir |
| 09:05.47 | syn-ack | heh |
| 09:05.58 | syn-ack | well, now that I'm here, Imma go to bed |
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| 09:06.07 | agike | syn-ack: as both root & user |
| 09:06.13 | lom | Hi! I installed Debian on a VM in Virtualbox under Windows. Am I supposed to install the guest additions from the mounted iso or can I do it within the VM with aptitude? I tried to install the guest additions packages but I getthe "kernel module not loadable" |
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| 09:07.19 | powal | Can someone try to view the trailer at : http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avatar/index.html ? I can't. |
| 09:07.27 | lom | Debian can't load the vboxguest module at boot it says. |
| 09:07.48 | andreii | powal, I can. |
| 09:08.02 | andreii | i am using Microsoft Windows(R) 7 |
| 09:08.18 | agike | babilen:mailboxes `find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 09:08.18 | agike | bash: mailboxes: command not found |
| 09:08.23 | lom | powal: I can't under Windows but I don't have original Quicktime. :) |
| 09:08.42 | babilen | agike: That is a setting in your the muttrc of your user |
| 09:08.46 | powal | andreii: how about trying it under Debian? |
| 09:08.58 | babilen | run 'find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '' as your user |
| 09:09.18 | andreii | powal: sorry, I can't. i use server edition of debian. console mode only |
| 09:09.31 | jony123 | Woot. Just made my first debian package! Uploaded it to my apt repository then apt-get installed it. (ALSOME!) Ok now quick question. Apt only regards the package unsafe because there isnt signed with gpg right? |
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| 09:10.11 | wols | jony123: and because you haven't installed they key to verify it on your install |
| 09:10.15 | wols | !keyring |
| 09:10.15 | dpkg | i heard keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
| 09:10.17 | WaterRatj | Omg, is their a way to downlload a package and his requirements? cause i keep downloading one file try |
| 09:10.41 | wols | WaterRatj: apt-zip |
| 09:10.45 | metasmv | i'm trying to install linux-image-2.6.32-2-686 and hangs when trying to update-initramfs. is there anything i could try to see what's wrong? |
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| 09:10.56 | jony123 | wols: So its only got to do with the auctally repository and my keyring. Not the way i made the package? |
| 09:11.14 | wols | obviosuly you will have to sign your package too |
| 09:11.16 | WaterRatj | i mean i'm on windows here and the linux doesn't have internet yet lol |
| 09:11.32 | sepult | metasmv: maybe use dpkg-reconfigure first before you use update-initramfs |
| 09:11.55 | jony123 | wols: How do i do that? Maybe point me towards a webpage or wiki? |
| 09:12.18 | sepult | metasmv: or give a -t option to update-initramfs together with a -u option update-initramfs -u -t |
| 09:12.34 | metasmv | sepult, dpkg-reconfigure also hangs at the same stage |
| 09:12.37 | wols | !tell jony123 about secure apt |
| 09:13.35 | babilen | jony123: DEBSIGN_KEYID="Your_GPG_keyID" |
| 09:13.40 | sepult | metasmv: what about apt-get install --reinstall ? |
| 09:14.20 | cast | can someone remind me what the file in /etc is that defines the number of consoles that open at boot [6 by default\ |
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| 09:14.38 | mabu | jony123: have a look at debsign to sign your package |
| 09:14.45 | cahoot | (used to be) inittab |
| 09:14.57 | wols | cahoot: why would it change? |
| 09:15.12 | cast | ahh, looks good. thanks :) |
| 09:15.26 | cast | am running UML and it spawns way too many xterms on boot |
| 09:15.28 | metasmv | sepult, same thing with apt-get --reinstall |
| 09:15.33 | WaterRatj | Okay, so I installed gnome-netowrk manager, it said i had to logout of gnome and log back in and i would have a applet in tray, wich i don't have |
| 09:15.36 | metasmv | will try the -t thing |
| 09:15.42 | agike | babilen: .muttrc is at http://pastebin.com/m46ffc644 |
| 09:16.02 | babilen | jony123: Configure debsign and import *your* 'key: gpg --export KEYID | sudo apt-key add -' |
| 09:16.54 | Ketsa | Hello, quick question : i edit resolv.conf and change nameservers addresses - test it to work and a few minutes later my edit is reversed, what is happening ? |
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| 09:17.18 | babilen | agike: Use the mailboxes line I gave your |
| 09:17.21 | babilen | *you |
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| 09:17.49 | cahoot | ketsa try /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
| 09:18.02 | mabu | jony123: also have a look at dpkg-buildpackage which automates building of a package (handles signing with debsign) |
| 09:18.45 | Ketsa | cahoot, thanks. |
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| 09:18.59 | jony123 | I used dpkg -b |
| 09:19.09 | babilen | agike: You'll just remove *all* 'mailboxes' lines and replace them with mailboxes `find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 09:19.38 | WaterRatj | Anyone? |
| 09:19.39 | agike | babilen: in .muttrc ? |
| 09:20.14 | babilen | agike: yes |
| 09:20.32 | babilen | agike: You want the 'cur' directories |
| 09:20.33 | agike | babilen: got it |
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| 09:21.00 | metasmv | sepult, it seems to hang at: Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.32-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko |
| 09:21.07 | babilen | agike: http://paste.debian.net/59713/ <-- procmail recipe for Debian mailing lists (adapt DEBIAN=DIR) |
| 09:22.00 | jony123 | Where do i get dpkg-buildpackage and debsign from? |
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| 09:23.24 | fhd | Hi. I'm getting the "you have mail" notification whenever I log into my box. However, /var/mail/myuser (and /var/spool/mail/myuser) have not a single unread email. Ideas? |
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| 09:23.26 | jony123 | nvm got it |
| 09:23.38 | babilen | jony123: Read the 'new maintainers guide' - It's dpkg-dev and devscripts |
| 09:23.51 | jony123 | babilen: yeh. Found it. |
| 09:25.00 | WaterRatj | hmm, why does my wireless connect then disconnect? |
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| 09:30.32 | niklaswe | when i trying to enable serial console cable in grub2 i got itÅ not supported on this platform.. but it works on the old grub2.. any ide |
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| 09:31.54 | simonrvn | WaterRatj: ask it |
| 09:33.04 | lom | Hi! I installed Debian on a VM in Virtualbox and the Guest Additions with aptitude, but at boot is says they're not available. I tried "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose" already. |
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| 09:34.46 | sepult | /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ? |
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| 09:35.12 | sepult | and activate the guest-additions in your OS after startup ? |
| 09:35.52 | agike | babilen: I have commented all mailboxes out in .muttrc and entered you script but still get an ampty mutt mailbox when dowloading a test msg from server. Running it as user in bash I get mailboxes `find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 09:35.53 | agike | bash: mailboxes: command not found |
| 09:36.10 | agike | ? |
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| 09:37.29 | lom | sepult: the vboxdrv setup is not there. I installed them before on a different install by mounting the iso in the host. I want to know if it's possible to get them from the Debian repos since the installer.sh might break something? |
| 09:38.05 | babilen | agike: run 'find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf '%h '| sed "s/ /\n/g"| sort | tr '\n' ' '' as your user to see the output - The 'mailboxes `...`' part is for your muttrc |
| 09:38.41 | lom | sepult: I don't want the modules for a guest within Debian. Debian is in a VM guest and I want the GA for Debian. |
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| 09:39.49 | agike | babilen: thanks for that procmail link |
| 09:40.29 | sepult | oh ok |
| 09:41.07 | babilen | agike: yeah - that's a nice hack ... :-) Thought you might like it |
| 09:41.36 | agike | babilen: bash: find ~/mail/ -type d -name cur -printf %h: No such file or directory |
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| 09:42.17 | lom | sepult: I think other live cds already had them installed when I tried thim an Virtualbox so I though Debian has it's own installer for Guest additions too. |
| 09:42.33 | babilen | agike: You don't seem to have any mail in ~/mail/ and hence no 'cur' directories .. |
| 09:42.35 | sepult | lom: i don't know if it's possible to get on without the modules, you should maybe setup first your modules |
| 09:42.35 | sepult | vboxdrv, else i'm not sure the application layer will work |
| 09:43.03 | cast | now there's an idea, before doing an upgrade take a snapshot, run the snapshot in a VM, upgrade snapshot, test, |
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| 09:43.11 | sepult | lom: it's a vm, the vm request the funcionality from the host |
| 09:43.37 | sepult | lom: i don't know if it's possible otherwise |
| 09:43.56 | yagoo | anyone here has apple trailers working? |
| 09:43.57 | babilen | agike: try "mkdir -p ~/mail/inbox/{cur,new,tmp}" and run it again |
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| 09:44.18 | babilen | agike: I have to leave now - Good luck |
| 09:44.32 | lom | sepult: I'm new to Debian. :) So the command "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose" just created modules for a VM inside Debian, no? |
| 09:44.40 | babilen | agike: Adapt 'inbox' to your liking off course |
| 09:44.48 | babilen | *of |
| 09:44.51 | agike | babilen: so where is it all going ? |
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| 09:44.59 | agike | babilen: thanks. |
| 09:45.38 | babilen | agike: I am not sure ... The procmail tutorial i told you about contains a section that details how you can test your setup .. |
| 09:46.04 | babilen | anyway - Everybody have fun, bye :) |
| 09:46.21 | agike | babilen: I'll try it |
| 09:46.47 | manixor | How can I see all my partitions available? |
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| 09:46.53 | manixor | all my hdd |
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| 09:47.14 | manixor | ...and usb |
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| 09:48.18 | sepult | lom: it should yes, i think so, so after that step you do a /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup, and that's it, afterwareds |
| 09:48.18 | sepult | you install your OS and go on with installing the guest-additions from within your OS |
| 09:48.40 | sepult | i don't know if you have to reboot before though |
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| 09:50.16 | sepult | there is a package called fancontrol i don't know if it's of any use though |
| 09:50.36 | sepult | maybe you have to set it up properly |
| 09:50.45 | manixor | babilen I installed ntfsprogs, and now I want to mount my ntfs drive. I found this command: ntfsmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows. Who is /dev/sda1? Who I know who is my partition? I know only that my partition name is Date. How can I find it on /dev? |
| 09:50.46 | niklaswe | must look at thatt package |
| 09:50.58 | dougmencken | fdisk -l |
| 09:51.11 | dougmencken | and 'df' |
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| 09:53.26 | lom | sepult: Thanks! :) Actually the problem was I had to do "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-guest" not "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose". Now it loaded the module. |
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| 09:53.52 | sepult | oh heh |
| 09:53.54 | sepult | ok man |
| 09:54.20 | tunji | hi. have i understood this correctly? i've created a folder in /media named cdrom0, then "ln -s cdrom0 cdrom", changed back to / and "ln -s media/cdrom". do i need to do this for any devices i wish to mount? for example, sd0, camera0 etc? |
| 09:55.37 | simonrvn | no, but those usually get created for you |
| 09:55.43 | simonrvn | if at all needed |
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| 09:56.56 | tunji | simonrvn, i see. well nothing gets created here you see. i read about the above proceedure here... http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/arm/apds03.html.en |
| 09:58.02 | tunji | simonrvn, i can obviously mount devices manually by creating a folder (in media) then mounting the dvice to that... |
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| 09:58.45 | WaterRatj | Why can't i install synaptic like it says on the wiki? |
| 09:58.50 | WaterRatj | it says no package found |
| 09:58.57 | simonrvn | oldstable? etch? why are you running etch? |
| 09:59.12 | tunji | simonrvn, i just wondered if the 'debian way' was to create symlinks as well in / and symlink say, /media/sd to /media/sd0 etc.? |
| 09:59.13 | simonrvn | mutters somethin about lag |
| 09:59.26 | simonrvn | tunji: why? |
| 09:59.42 | simonrvn | i mea, you don't want to be doing that ... |
| 09:59.46 | simonrvn | mean* |
| 09:59.55 | tunji | simonrvn, ah right... |
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| 10:00.37 | simonrvn | tunji: usually udev works with your fstab |
| 10:00.45 | WaterRatj | Why can't i install synaptic like it says on the wiki? |
| 10:00.56 | simonrvn | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 .... |
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| 10:00.58 | tunji | simonrvn, so it's fine to just created a folder in /media like cdrom, then mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 10:01.07 | simonrvn | WaterRatj: aptitude install synaptic |
| 10:01.14 | manixor | I insert a flesh drive in usb(ntfs), and I run fdisk -l and get this error: Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 10:01.20 | WaterRatj | seems it doesn't find the package |
| 10:01.26 | manixor | How can I see where is my usb on /dev? |
| 10:01.31 | simonrvn | WaterRatj: have you updated lately? |
| 10:01.37 | simonrvn | manixor: try lsusb |
| 10:01.55 | WaterRatj | i did aptitude update before i ran that |
| 10:02.11 | simonrvn | WaterRatj: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 10:03.02 | manixor | simonrvn I want to ntfsmount my usb flash, how can I proceed if I don't know the /dev location? |
| 10:03.04 | WaterRatj | pastebin.com/m7ad8830e |
| 10:03.26 | AMcBain | Hi, I've installed and am trying to use incron, but when I add stuff to my incrontab, I see an error (in syslog) indicating it cannot create a watch for my user. I've tried figuring out why this is so or who/what would prevent such a thing, but I can't figure it out. Any ideas? |
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| 10:03.38 | contemplated | hello |
| 10:03.48 | contemplated | anyone awake? |
| 10:03.51 | simonrvn | manixor: you sure it's ntfs, and not vfat? check dmesg |
| 10:04.20 | manixor | simonrvn I'm sure is ntfs, I just formated with ntfs from windows. |
| 10:04.22 | simonrvn | WaterRatj: um, you need more than that in there |
| 10:04.27 | contemplated | my x-terminal-emulator wont work now because I changed my host to have a space i.e blank\ box |
| 10:04.35 | WaterRatj | simonrvn: Where do i get the correct lines? |
| 10:04.40 | simonrvn | manixor: 'k. also i'd recommend using ntfs-3g |
| 10:04.44 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 10:04.45 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 10:04.45 | contemplated | so terminal opens easy but not root terminal |
| 10:04.47 | AMcBain | The syslog entry says this: incrond[4162]: cannot create watch for user asmcbain: (16) Device or resource busy |
| 10:04.48 | contemplated | any ideas? |
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| 10:05.04 | simonrvn | WaterRatj: ^^^ see what the dpkg bot said |
| 10:05.18 | contemplated | its annoying i made a launcher sudo x-terminal-emulator |
| 10:05.28 | contemplated | but should I have had too? |
| 10:05.40 | simonrvn | contemplated: never ever put spaces in hostnames |
| 10:05.45 | contemplated | its like a bug or somthing it cant read my host |
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| 10:05.50 | contemplated | why not? |
| 10:06.06 | simonrvn | it's non-standard |
| 10:06.10 | manixor | simonrvn I'm using ntfsmound instead of ntfs-3g, is not better? |
| 10:06.12 | simonrvn | and breaks things |
| 10:06.38 | simonrvn | manixor: ntfs-3g supports full writes |
| 10:06.40 | yagoo | WaterRatj, aptitude search ntfsmount, that will give an idea of what package to install |
| 10:06.52 | contemplated | ok well how about my login screen can I get it display somthing other then my hostname above the box then? |
| 10:06.57 | manixor | simonrvn: I succeed to ntfsmount my other partition |
| 10:07.04 | simonrvn | manixor: good for you |
| 10:07.14 | simonrvn | have you checked dmesg yet? |
| 10:07.22 | manixor | Yes |
| 10:07.29 | manixor | What need to look for? |
| 10:07.36 | simonrvn | it should say what device your stick is at |
| 10:08.03 | simonrvn | sdXN X is a letter, N is a number |
| 10:08.07 | yagoo | wonders if newbies know about the hidden debian subfolder in the menu editor |
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| 10:08.24 | manixor | Somethink like this: sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 10:08.29 | contemplated | hm |
| 10:08.30 | simonrvn | the gnome one you mean? |
| 10:08.31 | contemplated | i changed it |
| 10:08.39 | contemplated | and it still doesn't work |
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| 10:08.54 | metasmv | yagoo, not unless they try to edit the menu |
| 10:08.58 | simonrvn | contemplated: yeh, it won't take unless you restart the daemons |
| 10:09.06 | contemplated | brb |
| 10:09.07 | yagoo | contemplated, it would be helpful if you can type the username youre responding to |
| 10:09.15 | simonrvn | manixor: that's one yes. look further down. |
| 10:09.31 | contemplated | yagoo: respoding to everyone |
| 10:09.42 | manixor | simonrvn That was the last line. |
| 10:09.46 | simonrvn | it's waay past my bedtime. later and g'luck people. |
| 10:09.58 | yagoo | contemplated, well it's making it very hard to follow |
| 10:10.13 | simonrvn | manixor: then it didn't mount it. check for /dev/sdb* |
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| 10:12.00 | manixor | simonrvn True, is not mounted, I need to ntfsmonted manually, but I don't know where is it. For my other partition, I did fdisk -l, and I sow that is on /dev/sda1 and I do like this: ntfsmont /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows |
| 10:12.24 | simonrvn | manixor: i just gave you a big clue. now use that info to do it. |
| 10:13.05 | simonrvn | Zzzzz.... |
| 10:14.25 | AMcBain | wonders if it's worth it to ask again. |
| 10:15.00 | dougmencken | never mounted ntfs volumes |
| 10:15.11 | manixor | simonrvn Thanks. I succeed to mount it. |
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| 10:15.18 | simonrvn | good |
| 10:15.25 | contemplated | sweet got |
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| 10:15.32 | hellyeah | hey |
| 10:15.33 | contemplated | i changed it to blank.box |
| 10:15.37 | contemplated | :/ workarounds |
| 10:15.42 | hellyeah | is there a group for power management |
| 10:15.45 | hellyeah | in debian |
| 10:15.50 | hellyeah | my screen is dark |
| 10:16.05 | contemplated | ok why is my keyboard media buttons not being recongized i changed it to what the keyboard is |
| 10:16.10 | simonrvn | contemplated: eh, not very good either. dots are for sub-domains |
| 10:16.15 | hellyeah | i install gnome-power-manager |
| 10:16.23 | hellyeah | but my screen still dark |
| 10:16.40 | contemplated | simonrvn: im not running a server or doing anything important so it doesn't matter |
| 10:16.58 | contemplated | xev |
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| 10:17.03 | contemplated | err wrong window |
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| 10:17.22 | contemplated | yeah nothing :/ |
| 10:17.42 | simonrvn | there's some packages that handle "media keys" |
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| 10:18.54 | hellyeah | why my screen is dark i dont understand |
| 10:18.57 | contemplated | any ideas? i have a microsoft wireless media keyboard so i set it to microsoft wireless multimedia keyboard 1.0A and nothing :/ |
| 10:19.23 | contemplated | hellyeah change your metacity settings |
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| 10:19.35 | hellyeah | how |
| 10:19.36 | contemplated | what envrionment you running |
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| 10:19.46 | hellyeah | gnome |
| 10:19.46 | neoice | I'm guessing no one has a genius method to unsuspend a computer remotely... |
| 10:20.11 | AimHere | Poke the unsuspend button with a long stick. |
| 10:20.31 | neoice | I dont even know if the machine supports suspend! |
| 10:20.54 | hellyeah | contemplated, gnome-desktop-environment normally wheni install gnome-power-manager, screen looks normal (shining, color) now it is dark |
| 10:20.55 | contemplated | well gnome-power-manager was glitched with no sliders so try dbus-moniter |
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| 10:21.24 | contemplated | so install gnome-power-manager |
| 10:21.26 | contemplated | whats the problem |
| 10:21.31 | niklaswe | is it someone som ha this motherboard and had success to change Chassi fan speed on it http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webhallen.com%2Fprod.php%3Fid%3D106388&sl=sv&tl=en |
| 10:21.48 | hellyeah | i already install gnome-power-manager |
| 10:21.53 | niklaswe | i can't get it to work.. :( |
| 10:22.04 | hellyeah | my problem my screen is daerker |
| 10:22.19 | hellyeah | actually it can be lighter than this situtation |
| 10:22.50 | cahoot | hellyeah: tried xbacklight? |
| 10:23.10 | AMcBain | updated his copy of incron to the latest (compiled from source) on recommendation of a link suggesting 0.5.7 has issues "daemonizing", but he stil has issues. |
| 10:24.32 | lom | bye |
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| 10:25.42 | neoice | is there a way to prevent non-priv'd users from suspending a machine? I know from the login manager, you usually need a password to issue a reboot and I like that. |
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| 10:30.50 | hellyeah | what is the problem between lenny->squeze |
| 10:31.14 | hellyeah | becfore sometimes i didnt take any erora |
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| 10:31.40 | hellyeah | now there is lots of error |
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| 10:31.58 | phlux | ? |
| 10:32.09 | phlux | /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:34.33 | WaterRatj | Is their a way to go from normal debian install to a minimal one? |
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| 10:34.59 | neoice | WaterRatj: use 'aptitude purge' and nuke whatever you dont want |
| 10:35.08 | hellyeah | such as |
| 10:35.13 | hellyeah | udev error |
| 10:35.41 | hellyeah | when i upgrade lenny to squeeze |
| 10:35.59 | hellyeah | my system cannıot configure udv |
| 10:36.03 | hellyeah | udev |
| 10:36.29 | hellyeah | and try to remoe my kernel |
| 10:36.54 | manixor | How can I check is a partition is mounted or not? |
| 10:36.56 | cahoot | really remove? |
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| 10:37.02 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 10:37.11 | cahoot | manixor: mount in a term |
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| 10:39.43 | cahoot | hellyeah: new udev needs new kernel? |
| 10:39.59 | AMcBain | Is there any reason why I'd get an error of "(16) Device or resource busy" when trying to use incron to watch my home directory? |
| 10:40.10 | AMcBain | Using version 0.5.9 |
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| 10:40.25 | hellyeah_ | cahoot |
| 10:40.34 | hellyeah_ | for example when i try to upgraqde |
| 10:40.44 | hellyeah_ | removes xserver-xorg package also |
| 10:40.53 | hellyeah_ | xserver-xorg and related packages |
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| 10:42.04 | cahoot | hellyeah: read the info in /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze ? |
| 10:42.29 | hellyeah_ | yeah i already read |
| 10:42.55 | roll | hi all :) does anyone know where do i change the nice level of the processes that start in /etc/init.d? I wanted to give a lower priority to bacula, because it is too resosurce hungry |
| 10:43.05 | hellyeah_ | iiii am afraid my system mess 3 times when i try to upgrade |
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| 10:45.36 | AMcBain | roll, I believe that can be done via the update-rc.d program, or you can install and use sysv-rc-conf for a text-based interface for choosing the levels of all the init.d scripts |
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| 10:47.18 | fhd | I'm using module-assistant to build the nvidia driver. However, I'm using testing and it's currently not working with 2.6.32. Is it likely that new versions of nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source are going to hit testing soon? |
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| 10:53.08 | roll | thanks AMcBain, will give it a try :) |
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| 10:56.29 | babilen | roll: I guess you'll have to edit the init script to include a call to 'renice' - rcconf and update-rc.d are for selecting/altering the runlevel in which a service is started |
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| 10:58.16 | vizzy | hi, where is the multiprocessing lib for py 2.5 in debian lenny? |
| 10:58.45 | pingouin | i try to learn/conf emacs, on Gnu/debian lenny, but, all the documentation said that i have to edit the .emacs file, but i only have an .emacs.d in my ~ with another directory inside (auto-save-list) , so how does it works in debian's way ? |
| 10:58.55 | babilen | ,versions python-multiprocessing |
| 10:58.56 | judd | python-multiprocessing -- sid: 2.6.2.1-3; squeeze: 2.6.2.1-3 |
| 10:59.08 | babilen | !tell vizzy -about ssb |
| 10:59.25 | babilen | vizzy: You can also create a virtualenv and install it in there with pip |
| 10:59.35 | nsadmin | which you'd need to do to both that and python itself most likely |
| 10:59.52 | nsadmin | backport them that is |
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| 11:00.03 | babilen | why python? |
| 11:00.21 | vizzy | whats wrong with python? |
| 11:00.46 | nsadmin | you'd need the python version the lib goes with |
| 11:00.47 | manixor | Can someone give me a good link with the steps for installing django under Debian? |
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| 11:01.06 | purple_processor | i tried 3 different nics from around the house all being reported as the same card.. realtek 3139 rev10. which seem amazing I have all the same chipsets. there is a onbard nic which is a realtek rev10 ive switch that off in the bios... |
| 11:01.13 | babilen | oh - There is no python2.5 version of multiprocessing .. Why they package it for 2.6 eludes me as it is part of the standard library |
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| 11:01.49 | nsadmin | standard... python lib? |
| 11:02.26 | babilen | vizzy: Ah - It is version 2.6.2.1 of python-multiprocessing for Python 2.4 and 2.5 |
| 11:02.33 | babilen | vizzy: Just backport that package |
| 11:03.11 | nsadmin | manixor: packages.debian.org |
| 11:03.21 | vizzy | ok, is there a howto what backports do and how i do backport something? |
| 11:03.33 | babilen | !tell vizzy -about ssb |
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| 11:03.50 | vizzy | thanks |
| 11:03.50 | nsadmin | look at wikipedia entries on porting software |
| 11:03.51 | babilen | vizzy: Read the factoid dpkg just send you |
| 11:04.06 | nsadmin | but be warned... that stuff is involved |
| 11:04.24 | babilen | is it? |
| 11:05.40 | vizzy | asking dplg about backports give me an url to some big sites... |
| 11:05.52 | vizzy | but i just want aptitude install python 2.6 or so, is it that hard? |
| 11:06.14 | roll | babilen: thanks, that was my initial idea, but i was looking for some standard way to change the nice level |
| 11:06.16 | babilen | vizzy: I thought you want python multiprocessing? |
| 11:06.21 | nsadmin | vizzy basically a backported debian package is one whose source builds a package for one version of debian, and try to compile it for a previous version of debian |
| 11:06.23 | babilen | roll: I am not aware of one |
| 11:06.36 | babilen | vizzy: For python2.5 that is |
| 11:06.46 | vizzy | sorry, python guys told me its best to upgrade python at all to 2.6 |
| 11:07.19 | vizzy | and i guess its best to get python ogre to run |
| 11:07.38 | vizzy | i like to write software that runs in next generation linuxes too ;) |
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| 11:08.27 | babilen | vizzy: You can do that as well. You can either backport the python2.6 package (and all others you need) or download python2.6 yourself, compile it, install it to /usr/local, delete /usr/local/bin/python, create a virtualenv and use pip to install additional libraries, or download them from pypi and use the '--user' (PEP 370) scheme to install additional modules |
| 11:09.05 | vizzy | "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" ... thats it |
| 11:09.17 | babilen | vizzy: NO |
| 11:09.22 | babilen | !ssb |
| 11:09.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 11:09.34 | vizzy | i read backports.org |
| 11:09.40 | vizzy | and thats what they say |
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| 11:10.12 | babilen | vizzy: python2.6 is not *yet* in backports (as in backports.org) - You have to backport it yourself. The method to do so is outlined in the 'ssb' factoid |
| 11:10.22 | babilen | 'they' ? |
| 11:10.24 | manixor | It's possible to make a python script global...I mean to execute it from everywhere, not from his dir? I installed django, and I have in /usr/lib/python-django/bin/django-admin.py. How can I make it globaly? |
| 11:10.38 | vizzy | they: instruction from backports.org guys |
| 11:10.59 | babilen | vizzy: backports.org does not help you as they don't have python2.6 |
| 11:11.02 | vizzy | ok, totally confused now |
| 11:11.28 | vizzy | then add that line and only install python-multiprocssing? |
| 11:12.08 | babilen | vizzy: If you want python2.6 you have two options: (i) backport the Debian package from squeeze/sid (/msg dpkg ssb) or (ii) Download the Python source distribution from python.org and compile it yourself. (I outlined the basic procedure earlier) |
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| 11:12.48 | babilen | vizzy: python-multiprocessing is not in backports as well |
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| 11:13.28 | babilen | vizzy: If you want multiprocessing with Python 2.5 you have to follow the 'ssb' factoid for the python-multiprocessing package |
| 11:13.36 | vizzy | ok, and squeeze has py 2.6? and i can do a dist-upgrade in my lenny? without kde4 and loosing not portes apps? |
| 11:13.55 | babilen | vizzy: Yes you can also upgrade lenny to squeeze. |
| 11:14.04 | babilen | !tell vizzy -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:14.28 | babilen | vizzy: Read lenny's release notes too as a bunch of things apply to the upgrade from lenny to squeeze as well |
| 11:15.14 | babilen | vizzy: Please note that squeeze is a 'rolling release' and hence *not* stable. It is also in heavy development and things might break. |
| 11:15.15 | vizzy | just want to be sure my produtcion apps wont get uninstalled during upgrade, thats not in the release notes :> |
| 11:15.45 | vizzy | last time i upgraded from etch to lenny everytrhing was broken and so new and overcoloured .... ardoure was killed, my |
| 11:15.54 | babilen | vizzy: If this is a production server you shouldn't upgrade to squeeze. |
| 11:15.57 | vizzy | most important app at tim eof upgrade :P |
| 11:16.29 | vizzy | no production server, but its bad to loose data and prod. apps on a laptop too, or? |
| 11:16.39 | babilen | vizzy: What do you want? multiprocessing or (not xor!) python 2.6? |
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| 11:17.08 | babilen | vizzy: If it is your personal laptop it is probably OK to upgrade to squeeze. It works great here ... |
| 11:17.17 | vizzy | at foirst i want multiprocessing, if it works, it sok, otherwise i would upgrade to 2.6 |
| 11:17.26 | vizzy | babilen, and no kde4? |
| 11:17.42 | vizzy | i like to avoid kde 4 |
| 11:17.54 | babilen | Dunno - Never used KDE |
| 11:18.15 | babilen | check the packages in squeeze .. It might be possible to install 3.5 and not 4.? |
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| 11:18.17 | vizzy | however, i use it, and im lucky with it, 3.5 is ok, just a user |
| 11:18.37 | vizzy | te upgrade should ask if i want kde4, right? |
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| 11:19.30 | babilen | vizzy: If you want multiprocessing for py2.5 you have two options: (i) Install it into a virtualenv (check virtualenv, virtualenvwrapper and pip) or (ii) backport the python-multiprocessing package from sid (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 11:20.29 | vizzy | ok, impossible for me, too much weird stuff, sorry |
| 11:21.21 | babilen | vizzy: It's not that hard. Just follow the 'ssb' factoid and everything should be fine. |
| 11:21.37 | vizzy | readong the ssb factoids im getting weird too |
| 11:21.52 | babilen | you weirdo :-) |
| 11:22.28 | babilen | vizzy: I don't know how I can make it any easier for you ... |
| 11:22.38 | vizzy | will apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; create a deb then i can install with dpkg -i? |
| 11:22.49 | babilen | upgrading to squeeze will most likely install KDE4 ... |
| 11:22.54 | vizzy | ok, just have to know what the package name is, i guess |
| 11:22.55 | babilen | yes, exactly |
| 11:22.59 | vizzy | ouch, kde4 is so bad |
| 11:23.05 | babilen | the package name is 'python-multiprocessing' |
| 11:23.20 | vizzy | and i will find the package name after adding apt-src line , update and search? |
| 11:23.23 | vizzy | ah! |
| 11:23.24 | babilen | vizzy: It's the future! |
| 11:23.29 | vizzy | cool, i will try |
| 11:23.45 | vizzy | sorry :) im a noob when i comes to debian and those automagics |
| 11:23.50 | babilen | !ssb |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 11:24.33 | babilen | vizzy: The point is that you need the source package. You get access to that by adding the 'deb-src ...' line to your sources.list (paste it if you are unsure that you got it right) |
| 11:24.40 | Ketsa | Hello, im trying to install lenny - the machine has an S3 trio64 GPU and i cant start Xorg. tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but i cant change resolution/chipset etc... any pointers ? |
| 11:25.15 | babilen | vizzy: aptitude install build-essential and apt-get build-dep python-multiprocessing - will install all packages that are needed to compile the source package |
| 11:25.18 | nsadmin | wow, an s3?? |
| 11:25.30 | Ketsa | yes, PCI ^^ |
| 11:25.38 | babilen | vizzy: The compilation itself is done with 'apt-get -b source python-multiprocessing' |
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| 11:25.57 | nsadmin | I dunno if there's an xorg driver for s3 anymore |
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| 11:26.12 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:26.13 | vizzy | mixing aptitude and apt-get here? |
| 11:26.14 | babilen | vizzy: You can install the python-multiprocessing package you've just compiled with 'dpkg -i python-multprocessing????.deb' |
| 11:26.18 | hellyeah | i have to ask this question |
| 11:26.27 | hellyeah | i install gnome-power-manager |
| 11:26.33 | hellyeah | but my screen is so dark |
| 11:26.34 | nsadmin | !insist on ask |
| 11:26.38 | hellyeah | i also install acpi |
| 11:26.51 | babilen | vizzy: It does not make a difference if you install 'build-essential' with aptitude or apt-get (It was just my finger memory) |
| 11:26.52 | nsadmin | oh, it doesn't know that one... |
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| 11:27.20 | babilen | vizzy: Good luck |
| 11:27.23 | vizzy | this is correct? deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid testing main non-free contrib |
| 11:27.26 | Ketsa | looks like there is an s3 server module but how can i configure this manually ? |
| 11:27.33 | hellyeah | pls help |
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| 11:27.56 | babilen | vizzy: remove 'testing' from that line |
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| 11:28.16 | babilen | vizzy: It should read "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" |
| 11:28.17 | hellyeah | sid testing |
| 11:28.19 | hellyeah | .D |
| 11:28.49 | babilen | vizzy: Make sure that you *do not* add a "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" line (note the missing '-src') |
| 11:29.17 | vizzy | yes i have deb-src |
| 11:29.29 | vizzy | i did aptitude upgrade |
| 11:29.32 | hellyeah | i dont understand why my screen is very dark |
| 11:29.37 | vizzy | build essentials seems already installed |
| 11:29.38 | babilen | vizzy: Just wanted to make sure you don't upgrade to sid unintentionally |
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| 11:29.57 | babilen | -don't ;-) |
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| 11:30.05 | vizzy | then i do a aptitude build-dep python-multiprocessing |
| 11:30.10 | babilen | yes |
| 11:30.27 | vizzy | and it tells it doesnt find it....: Unable to find the source package for "python-multiprocessing". |
| 11:30.27 | babilen | no - 'apt-get build-dep python-multiprocessing' |
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| 11:30.47 | vizzy | why mixing aptitude and apt-get? i thought its NOT a good idea |
| 11:30.54 | babilen | ah - aptitude works as well ... |
| 11:31.05 | vizzy | i always used aptitude, because mixing breaks things up |
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| 11:31.15 | vizzy | ok, but still no package found |
| 11:31.33 | hellyeah | is there a group for acpi |
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| 11:31.45 | vizzy | aptitude search multiproc returns empty |
| 11:31.58 | babilen | could you try: 'apt-get source python-multiprocessing' please (do that in a directory you can easily delete afterwards) |
| 11:32.09 | nsadmin | I think you're going to hve to determine the build deps and install them manually |
| 11:32.26 | vizzy | ok |
| 11:32.44 | babilen | no, apt-get build-dep python-processing should install all packages that are needed to satisfy the build dependencies of python-multiprocessing |
| 11:32.49 | nsadmin | but try his source thing first |
| 11:32.49 | vizzy | still get: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_testing_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 11:33.07 | babilen | vizzy: aptitude update again |
| 11:33.12 | nsadmin | but it doesn't know python-multiprocessing yet |
| 11:33.33 | nsadmin | I think you're on the right track with grabbing the source |
| 11:33.36 | vizzy | done, aptitude upgrade, but apt-get source gives same error |
| 11:33.54 | babilen | upDATE not upGRADE |
| 11:34.04 | vizzy | update , yes, typo |
| 11:34.15 | hellyeah | it seems acpi not work normally |
| 11:34.18 | vizzy | i typed update in the console, :) |
| 11:34.23 | babilen | ok :-) |
| 11:34.39 | nsadmin | "Hey baby, wanna go out on a grade?" |
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| 11:34.51 | nsadmin | see? makes no sense! |
| 11:35.06 | babilen | i'll be back in a minute |
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| 11:35.23 | hellyeah | any help suggest answer |
| 11:35.45 | dutchfish | hello everyone |
| 11:35.58 | babilen | dutchfish: hei |
| 11:36.29 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:37.02 | hellyeah | i am tÅred from debian |
| 11:37.07 | hellyeah | tired* |
| 11:37.28 | dutchfish | where can i read about converting shell script back from squeeze to lenny in regards to the changes (not bashisms)? |
| 11:37.56 | dutchfish | i might have found a bug, i am not sure |
| 11:38.04 | hellyeah | why noone doesnt answer |
| 11:38.29 | overmind | hellyeah: Because if people don't know answer, they don't reply. |
| 11:38.48 | sepult | or they are absent |
| 11:38.53 | vizzy | hellyeah, imagine everyne would say: i have no clue :)) |
| 11:38.59 | sepult | heh |
| 11:39.07 | sepult | that would mean flood |
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| 11:40.39 | hellyeah | damn you debian |
| 11:40.44 | vizzy | when upgrading to squeeze, what window manager is recommended instead of kde4? |
| 11:41.21 | vizzy | hellyeah, what acpi problems do sou have? maybe on a laptop? its tricka and sometimes depends on hardware tooo! |
| 11:41.47 | hellyeah | laptop |
| 11:41.53 | hellyeah | my screen is very dark |
| 11:42.02 | vizzy | what laptop? |
| 11:42.09 | vizzy | thinkpad? maybe.... |
| 11:42.19 | vizzy | laüptops have special keys to adjust backlight |
| 11:42.20 | hellyeah | acer aspire 5720g |
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| 11:42.44 | hellyeah | when i install gnome-power-manager screen enlighten when i log in to system |
| 11:42.53 | vizzy | hellyeah, is power connected or running eith battery? does the screen also appear dark if you are on power? |
| 11:43.51 | vizzy | so, the startscreen does not be adrk? but when you load the wm? |
| 11:43.51 | hellyeah | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.57 | vizzy | dark |
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| 11:44.01 | hellyeah | power cable connected |
| 11:44.28 | vizzy | and login screen seems normal? only switches to dark when logging in? |
| 11:44.43 | hellyeah | log in screen dark |
| 11:45.00 | vizzy | i saw kind of same problem here on a friends computer running gnome powermanager |
| 11:45.01 | hellyeah | when i am in system screen enlighten |
| 11:45.03 | dutchfish | hellyeah, would you be so kind to lspci -nn to the pastebin ? |
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| 11:45.15 | hellyeah | okey |
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| 11:47.00 | hellyeah | dutchfish, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15437 |
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| 11:48.12 | hellyeah | vizzy, |
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| 11:48.24 | capitol | i have some problems on a firewall i just overtook ownership of, it has two interfaces with a bridge between, and i can't access the machines behind it after a poweroff |
| 11:48.37 | capitol | i have a physical link |
| 11:48.37 | hellyeah | i am in troublw in seeing |
| 11:50.25 | dutchfish | hellyeah, i see at least 2 things that might cause problems in lenny, ich8 root hub and the support for your graphics card in relation to the same chipset ich8 in kernel 2.6.26, if this was my machine i would start upgrading the kernel, secondly there is no good open source support in lenny for yyour card, if you run one of the latest kernels you might get away with nouveaux drivers, i havent tested that yet |
| 11:51.12 | wols | dutchfish: ich8 unsupported in linux? |
| 11:51.19 | dutchfish | hellyeah, 3th, the are kernel that make havoc with the video chip and disk i/o |
| 11:51.36 | dutchfish | wols, no, what i meant was in relation to his video card |
| 11:51.57 | hellyeah | dutchfish, |
| 11:52.07 | hellyeah | you said 'upgrade kernel' |
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| 11:52.38 | hellyeah | i upgrade sid kernel |
| 11:52.43 | hellyeah | is it okey |
| 11:52.52 | wols | hellyeah: no |
| 11:52.57 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 11:53.02 | hellyeah | what must i do |
| 11:53.04 | dutchfish | hellyeah, yes either from bakcports are self-compiled, and dont use SID |
| 11:53.07 | wols | dutchfish: what will a new kernel give him? will it make his screen brighter? |
| 11:53.24 | dutchfish | wols, nah, of cours enot |
| 11:53.37 | nils1 | hej guys! a little question: as long as i do not mark contrib or nonfree sources, can i be sure, that all i install through apt-get is free in the sense of dfsg? |
| 11:53.37 | wols | so why are you suggesting it? cause when I read the log, that'S his problem |
| 11:53.43 | nsadmin | it might make his outlook brighter (for no particular reason) |
| 11:53.44 | wols | not that he doesn't have a GUI or such |
| 11:54.02 | wols | nils1: yes. debian main is 100% DFSG |
| 11:54.03 | nsadmin | oh wait, that's a m$ product |
| 11:54.14 | nils1 | phantastic! thank you! :-) |
| 11:54.53 | dutchfish | wols, i missed his log, can you pass me the link, i just logged on after he send it |
| 11:55.07 | wols | what link? |
| 11:55.19 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15437 |
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| 11:55.42 | wols | his problem is, when in gdm, the screen is dark, when logged in in gnome (after insalling some gome power apple thingie), the screen is fine |
| 11:55.57 | nsadmin | nils1: if you run lenny, you may want to /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 11:56.07 | hellyeah | screen is always dark |
| 11:56.21 | hellyeah | in the past when i install gnome-pwer-manager |
| 11:56.24 | hellyeah | s |
| 11:56.35 | hellyeah | screen become briger when i logged in |
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| 11:57.00 | dutchfish | hellyeah, yes, i understand that |
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| 11:57.12 | hellyeah | my english is not good sorry |
| 11:57.25 | hellyeah | so i cannot be sure i tell good |
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| 11:58.17 | dutchfish | hellyeah, so what i think is kernel -> ACPI -> gnomes powermanager, for ICH8 <-> ACPI there have been many change smade (in the good direction) after 2.6.26 |
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| 11:58.41 | sepult | acpi is a pita! |
| 11:58.46 | sepult | always |
| 11:58.59 | dutchfish | unfortunately yes |
| 11:59.35 | wols | hellyeah: http://old.nabble.com/Backlight-bug-on-Acer-Aspire-7720-td26856907.html |
| 11:59.46 | hellyeah | when i try to upgrade my system breaks three times |
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| 12:00.04 | wols | hellyeah: no it did not break. you just were unable to read messages |
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| 12:03.10 | hellyeah | hey |
| 12:03.20 | hellyeah | where is the log file of module-assistant |
| 12:03.41 | wols | it has a logfile? |
| 12:03.53 | wols | generally, all logfiles are in /var/log |
| 12:04.21 | hellyeah | i dont know |
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| 12:04.26 | hellyeah | there are some errors |
| 12:04.27 | wols | when module-assistant has a problem it usually prints that to stderr |
| 12:04.32 | wols | what errors? |
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| 12:04.55 | hellyeah | i did this m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
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| 12:05.06 | hellyeah | nvidia-kernel-source failed to continue |
| 12:05.16 | wols | errors |
| 12:05.19 | wols | !errors |
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| 12:05.39 | hellyeah | wols, |
| 12:05.43 | wols | hellyeah: you ahven't told us any error yet |
| 12:05.46 | hellyeah | i cannot copy & paste error |
| 12:05.52 | Rezagrats | Anyone have an ASRock A780LM and use linux on it ? |
| 12:06.00 | wols | !tell Rezagrats about anyone |
| 12:06.11 | hellyeah | all details appears in blue screen |
| 12:06.21 | WaterRatj | whats the command to run terminal? |
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| 12:06.35 | wols | WaterRatj: you mean "xterm"? |
| 12:06.37 | chrisb_ | hellyeah: Did you try 'm-a prepare nvidia' (not sure if prepare is the correct word) |
| 12:06.39 | babilen | WaterRatj: Type 'xterm' in a terminal ... |
| 12:06.43 | babilen | WaterRatj: err wait .. |
| 12:06.58 | hellyeah | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-freedrivers |
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| 12:07.10 | Rezagrats | WaterRatj: hit Alt+F2 and then type in the command. |
| 12:07.24 | chrisb_ | hellyeah: use the '-t' switch to see the errors |
| 12:07.29 | babilen | WaterRatj: If you are using gnome -> 'gnome-terminal' |
| 12:07.29 | hellyeah | chrisb_, all packages intalled |
| 12:07.44 | WaterRatj | i'm trying to add a open with line for dpkg -i %filename |
| 12:07.56 | hellyeah | chrisb_, thanks |
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| 12:08.27 | Rezagrats | Wols, the question was open to anyone with an ASRock A780LM and have linux on that machine. |
| 12:09.07 | babilen | WaterRatj: Why don't you just run that within a terminal? If you insist on doing things like this from within nautilus you are better off with synaptics IMHO |
| 12:09.07 | wols | Rezagrats: ask your real question |
| 12:09.41 | WaterRatj | babilen: Cause i need to load load of packages on a pc that has no internet access |
| 12:09.55 | Rezagrats | That was my real question. i'm buying one soon so i can use it as a light desktop-server and i need to know if linux runs smooth on it. |
| 12:09.58 | babilen | WaterRatj: 'dpkg -i *.deb' ? |
| 12:09.58 | wols | WaterRatj: that's no reason for what you asked :) |
| 12:10.04 | hellyeah | hey |
| 12:10.08 | hellyeah | check this |
| 12:10.09 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15438 |
| 12:10.16 | wols | !tell Rezagrats about hcl |
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| 12:10.39 | wols | Rezagrats: we are a channel for problems with debian. not a linux hardware suggestion channel |
| 12:10.57 | hellyeah | do i need kernel upgrade |
| 12:10.57 | babilen | hellyeah: READ |
| 12:10.58 | hellyeah | ? |
| 12:11.18 | wols | hellyeah: the message shows you exactly what you need to do to fix this |
| 12:11.20 | babilen | hellyeah: The instructions are there ... (hint: line 39) |
| 12:11.45 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 12:11.49 | hellyeah | i see sorry |
| 12:11.53 | dutchfish | hellyeah, module-assistant clean nvidia |
| 12:12.03 | chrisb_ | hellyeah: You tried 'module-assistant clean nvidia' ?? |
| 12:12.07 | nsadmin | Rezagrats: as you said you're buying one soon, it'd be easier to find out what's working when you take delivery and get it powered up |
| 12:12.09 | Rezagrats | Wols, the system i am going to use is Debian. |
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| 12:12.25 | abrotman | dutchfish: there's backstory here .. he attempted an upgrade to squeeze, then tried to roll back to lenny .. his machine is a mess |
| 12:12.28 | hellyeah | yeah i did this |
| 12:12.29 | Rezagrats | Nsadmin, i haven't actually purchased it yet. |
| 12:12.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, ouch |
| 12:12.40 | hellyeah | it seems work |
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| 12:12.49 | nsadmin | but you're definitely going to? |
| 12:12.59 | babilen | !tell Rezagrats -about hcl |
| 12:13.03 | nsadmin | this is not a decistion process? |
| 12:13.12 | babilen | Rezagrats: You might find information there ... Also: google it |
| 12:13.23 | chrisb_ | hellyeah: So it is working now? |
| 12:13.24 | wols | babilen: I already did that. he ignored it |
| 12:13.34 | babilen | wols: ah - sorry for the spam then :-) |
| 12:13.39 | hellyeah | i need reboot |
| 12:13.48 | hellyeah | i tell 3 minutes after |
| 12:13.52 | wols | hellyeah: no you don't, but that's beside the point |
| 12:13.56 | babilen | reboots hellyeah |
| 12:14.24 | capitol | is anyone good with bridges and can help me find out what has gone wrong? |
| 12:14.58 | wols | capitol: you're the one who has a bridge that doesn't act like one anymore? |
| 12:15.14 | babilen | capitol: Tell us about your problem (the one related to your bridge setup - your other problems are better discussed elsewhere) :-D |
| 12:15.39 | capitol | yes, sorry, i'm a bit stressed :) |
| 12:15.45 | babilen | !comfort capitol |
| 12:15.45 | dpkg | There, there, capitol. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:15.49 | capitol | hehe |
| 12:16.51 | capitol | i'm trying to see why trafic doesn't flow over the bridge, if i do "brctl show" both network cards are added |
| 12:17.22 | sepult | you have one ip on the bridge ? |
| 12:17.25 | capitol | yes |
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| 12:17.36 | sepult | that's it |
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| 12:17.50 | sepult | the bridge itself should be ipless |
| 12:18.18 | sepult | it's just a meta interface |
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| 12:18.52 | sepult | your dhclient should bind eth0 and others but not the bridge |
| 12:19.11 | capitol | are you sure, i have a hard time understanding why the other person set that up like that then |
| 12:19.20 | capitol | i'm on a static ip block |
| 12:19.20 | sepult | else your resolver cannot resolve anymore |
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| 12:20.22 | sepult | you can that aswell, but as soon as you have more than one interface you'll run into problems |
| 12:20.34 | sepult | it's due to the resolver |
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| 12:21.54 | capitol | hmm, ok, currently it's set up like this: external nic have an ipnumber, and the bridge is set up to have the same, internal nic is added to the bridge |
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| 12:22.21 | capitol | i'll try to remove the ipnumber from the bridge and start it up again |
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| 12:25.39 | capitol | hmm, that didn't go very well, if i removed the ip from the brigde it said that it didn't have all configuration that it needed |
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| 12:26.26 | sepult | capitol: there's a detailed manual on setting up bridges in bridge-utils documentation |
| 12:26.40 | sepult | read it first |
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| 12:27.13 | capitol | yes, thanks anyway :) |
| 12:28.23 | sepult | the problem is dhclient mostly |
| 12:28.29 | sepult | binding to the first iface it finds |
| 12:28.32 | chrisb_ | yawns |
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| 12:28.51 | sepult | so if you want to preserve the br0 ipless have it come up last |
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| 12:29.11 | ax-ax | ok i'm here again |
| 12:29.16 | sepult | or try to fiddle with dhclient itself |
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| 12:29.32 | ax-ax | can anyone remember what i did last time flash video didn't work? ;) |
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| 12:30.54 | WaterRatj | Can anyone help me on my wireless conf == I installed the firmware, i used modprobe, installed gnome-network-manager , rebooted but still no wireless applet |
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| 12:32.12 | wols | WaterRatj: is ther a lwan interface? ifconfig -a |
| 12:32.18 | wols | *wlan |
| 12:32.40 | WaterRatj | yes |
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| 12:35.10 | capitol | hmm, i thought i would be able to see trafic passing the bridge with tcpdump, is that wrong? |
| 12:35.35 | babilen | WaterRatj: Also try: ALT-F2 --> 'nm-applet' |
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| 12:36.21 | WaterRatj | babilen: Niothing happens |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | WaterRatj: did you configure the wlan in your interfaces file ? |
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| 12:37.54 | WaterRatj | lol forgot to give myself access to wireless lol |
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| 12:38.26 | abrotman | awesome |
| 12:38.34 | abrotman | uh .. that you figured it out i mean |
| 12:39.15 | ben_baka | Hi, I have a problem with my wireless card. I use a compaq presario with AMD 64.I insert the module to that controls the wireless card , ath5k . |
| 12:39.36 | ben_baka | With ifconfig -a , i can see the wireless card. |
| 12:39.57 | ben_baka | But when i scan with the iwlist wlan0 scan there are no results. |
| 12:40.01 | abrotman | somehow read nvidia in there ... |
| 12:40.26 | ben_baka | Can anyone help me in this regard ?? |
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| 12:40.32 | lazy^ | ifup ? |
| 12:40.53 | wols | hidden ssid? |
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| 12:43.19 | ben_baka | my system bell is too loud how do i reduce the intensity? |
| 12:44.16 | cahoot | in console or X? |
| 12:44.57 | slept | when useing the 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 kernel from backports, how do I get the nvidia kernel . module-assitant does not do the job |
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| 12:45.11 | WaterRatj | why is it when i wanne remove epiphan-browser it wants to remove gnome-desktop-envoriemtn? |
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| 12:45.48 | AimHere | gnome-desktop-environment is just a package that grabs a whole bunch of other packages, it's just an empty meta-package |
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| 12:46.13 | AimHere | Removing it won't remove all the other gnome packages it depends on |
| 12:46.25 | abrotman | WaterRatj: it's the way aptitude works .. fix your other problem, then we'll work on that one |
| 12:46.38 | AimHere | The idea is that if someone wants gnome they can install it in one go |
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| 12:46.51 | WaterRatj | abrotman: What other problems? :D |
| 12:46.59 | abrotman | oh you fixed your wifi |
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| 12:47.11 | abrotman | WaterRatj: aptitude unmarkauto epiphany-browser |
| 12:48.39 | AimHere | You've got it the wrong way round, abrotman. You're thinking that epiphany-browser depends on gnome-desktop-environment and that aptitude is autoremoving the dependency |
| 12:48.54 | AimHere | Actually gnome-desktop-environment depends on epiphany |
| 12:49.06 | AimHere | apt-get would do the same |
| 12:49.23 | abrotman | no, you want to unmark the dependency on epiphany .. so you unmarkauto that one so then when you try to remove it, aptitude doesn't think that it was installed to satisfy the dep |
| 12:49.26 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 12:49.27 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 12:50.38 | chrisb_ | testing |
| 12:50.55 | Trewas | apt-get just does not autoremove by default like aptitude, which is nice |
| 12:50.56 | abrotman | fail? |
| 12:51.05 | dutchfish | slept, did you try m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | Trewas: i think thta's been added now |
| 12:51.59 | AimHere | Ah right. apt* is getting too clever these days |
| 12:52.01 | slept | dutchfish, yes |
| 12:52.11 | dutchfish | slept, also check: apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source (post to pastebin) |
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| 12:52.34 | slept | dutchfish, there is no backport for nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:52.55 | Trewas | abrotman: damn :( but well it makes the whole feature redundant when one has half of the system on autoremove list... |
| 12:52.59 | zak | where can i download debian official dvd ? |
| 12:53.15 | abrotman | zak: cdimage.debian.org |
| 12:53.40 | dutchfish | slept, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533217 |
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| 12:54.15 | uwjesd | Which CAD-Software can I use on Lenny? Is there something similar or better then Autocad? |
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| 12:54.40 | Keal | Is there a GPL or BSD transcoder than converts a signed or float into the binary equivalent with the bit data as the indice result of ring theory sort order? |
| 12:56.35 | Trewas | !confuse Keal |
| 12:56.35 | dpkg | Yes, where is my pants yesterday, Keal? Trousers of the Republic of Belarus with extra herring. |
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| 12:57.20 | coolguy4 | I used debootstrap to install debian in a chroot (my system is running ubuntu). How should I go about running xorg from the chroot? I read a doc for Arch that said I could alter '/etc/inittab' and then I could use CTRL-ALT-Fn to swap between x in the chroot and x in the main system? But debian doesn't have /etc/inittab... |
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| 12:57.48 | Keal | I am pretty blown away that not a single architecture has opcodes which perform such. |
| 12:58.35 | zak | if i am going to instal ldebian on a virtual machine , how much space do i need? |
| 12:58.40 | Trewas | Keal: what the hell is "ring theory sort order"? |
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| 12:58.55 | wols | coolguy4: must be a different debian then. there is a /etc/inittab. Dunno if ubuntu has one, but you better ask them about it, not us |
| 12:59.16 | Keal | Trewas, ring theory sort order would be the order of the values on an axis |
| 12:59.51 | coolguy4 | wols: ah, you're right |
| 12:59.59 | wols | Keal: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 13:00.15 | Keal | for example: -1.2 4.5 2.0 the order would be 4.5 2.0 -1.2 |
| 13:00.32 | Keal | their indices of the 3 in the set would be 2 1 0 |
| 13:00.42 | wols | Keal: fascinating and all but OT here |
| 13:00.50 | zak | if i am going to install debian on a virtual machine , how much space do i need? |
| 13:00.55 | AimHere | He's asking if there's an app that does it for him |
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| 13:01.04 | AimHere | So not totally OT |
| 13:01.07 | Keal | however, the set of indices would be the same as 0 thru one less than the span of the unsigned range of bits |
| 13:01.07 | wols | zak: depends how much you want to install :) |
| 13:01.16 | chrisb_ | Keal: Octave? |
| 13:01.38 | zak | wols: basic installation |
| 13:01.54 | wols | zak: ~250MB. probably less if you really want to |
| 13:01.59 | Keal | the only currently existing opcode I know of simply turns signed integer into an unsigned one directly, but that isn't in correct ring theory sort order |
| 13:02.29 | Trewas | Keal: maybe octave or such, at opcode level there is little intetest in high mathematics |
| 13:02.48 | Keal | I need a GPL or BSD conversion function which translates to and from in such a manner. |
| 13:02.57 | chrisb_ | Keal: opcode? |
| 13:03.05 | wols | chrisb_: part of a CPU ISA |
| 13:03.18 | wols | and Keal is very much OT |
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| 13:03.33 | AimHere | All CPUs should support advanced algebra in the opcodes |
| 13:03.53 | Keal | I don't see how this is offtopic, considering if debian doesn't have such a BSD or GPL routine, it is a fairly flawed operating system. |
| 13:04.11 | wols | Keal: you are tipping your hand now. way too obvious |
| 13:04.24 | wols | (as if the gibberish before didn't do it already) |
| 13:04.25 | Keal | I have no idea what that phrase means, |
| 13:04.56 | AimHere | Feel free to find the One Operating System In Existence that supports ring theoretic functions, preferably at the CPU level |
| 13:05.10 | wols | but please do it elsewhere |
| 13:05.23 | Keal | split-tree memory models don't exist to efficiency they could without such a conversion function. |
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| 13:05.46 | zak | wols: i just wanna run a basic kde debian instalaltion , can i limit my self to the minimum cd image ? |
| 13:05.56 | AimHere | If it's a memory model, it'll be in the kernel itself, most likely |
| 13:06.02 | wols | zak: no. it doesn't contain KDE |
| 13:06.05 | dutchfish | Keal, is this a kernel q? (hint) |
| 13:06.11 | AimHere | Feel free to direct your ire at the lkml |
| 13:06.31 | wols | dutchfish: it's a troll, sheesh. why don't you see it? he's simply spouting !confuse speech |
| 13:06.46 | Keal | memory models don't have to be a process of the kernel in-order to make use of them. |
| 13:06.56 | wols | zak: for a usable kde installation, I'd plan around 1GB. depends on the amount of data and how many kde apps you want |
| 13:07.26 | AimHere | Right, it might be in libc. Wherever it is, it'll be upstream |
| 13:07.36 | zak | wols , a full opensuse kde instalaltion is about 1.9 GB |
| 13:07.55 | wols | zak: fascinating fact, but I care why? |
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| 13:08.54 | zak | i said , that could be the same in debian , just need that to know how much space should i allocate to the virtual machine that will run kde debian |
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| 13:09.15 | abrotman | zak: so make it like 5GB .. that should be plenty .. |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | far more than plenty |
| 13:09.22 | zak | ok:) |
| 13:09.33 | abrotman | as in .. 4GB unused space :) |
| 13:09.46 | wols | good thing VMs can grow dynamically |
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| 13:13.07 | slept | dutchfish, thanks, but did not help since i use the nvidia-legacy ... |
| 13:13.23 | Keal | I have no idea why some of you are attemping to convince people that I would be a troll. |
| 13:13.33 | dutchfish | slept, i am afraid, there is none in backports for that |
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| 13:14.06 | AimHere | Hehe, nice try, Keal |
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| 13:14.15 | wols | !lart nvidia |
| 13:14.15 | dpkg | lowers nvidia's priority |
| 13:14.20 | Keal | The majority of you are actual developers whom have a steady job and are self-sufficient adults right? |
| 13:14.54 | chrisb_ | Keal: You are way OT and don't realise it, even when you are told. |
| 13:14.55 | Keal | ..or at-least steady income. |
| 13:15.10 | wols | chrisb_: if you feed them they will come |
| 13:15.25 | abrotman | Keal: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 13:15.29 | soczol | dutchfish: hey! had any chance to test yet? the newer kernel seems to work fine so far (no unexplainable hangs) |
| 13:15.45 | dutchfish | soczol, yes i have |
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| 13:15.51 | Keal | I seriously need assistance with an open source project of mine that I am hoping would be able to be used within any debian-based operating system which as-such puts to use the linux kernel. |
| 13:16.14 | abrotman | Keal: so you don't have Debian installed? |
| 13:16.20 | abrotman | nor trying to install it |
| 13:16.26 | dutchfish | soczol, and yes, i had seen no regressions even with the old kernel, but some low memmory systems did trigger once the same issue |
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| 13:16.47 | dutchfish | soczol, and only when in hyperthread modus |
| 13:17.17 | dutchfish | soczol, so, i think the bug is solved within the newer kernels |
| 13:17.17 | Keal | abrotman, My line of sought help is regaring low-level aspects of Debian, not simply the installing of it. |
| 13:17.44 | Keal | regarding* |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | Keal: you'd probably do better to ask in a media related channel .. like maybe the ffmpeg or mplayer people .. or check freshmeat.net |
| 13:17.56 | chrisb_ | Keal: Try the debian-science mailing list. Your discussion is OT here. |
| 13:18.18 | Keal | Then what is this channel specifically for? |
| 13:18.21 | soczol | dutchfish: yeah probably, the new kernel seems to work fine, so i guess i'll just try to upgrade the other boxes too, and hope those hangs are something of the past. thanks for testing btw :) |
| 13:18.24 | dutchfish | soczol, my best bet so far is the changed shedular |
| 13:18.30 | slept | dutchfish, after purging and reinstalling everything related to nvidia m-a is complaining that it can't get the nvidia-legacy-source package. apt tells me it has been replaced by nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source. That seems to be the reason for not working |
| 13:18.40 | abrotman | Keal: it sounds to me like oyu're trying to borrow code for your project because you can't figure it out |
| 13:18.54 | dutchfish | soczol, yw |
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| 13:19.07 | soczol | yeah, i thought about that too; seeing as the system seems to freeze |
| 13:19.18 | soczol | ah well, not really that important what caused it, i guess |
| 13:19.27 | soczol | *system clock |
| 13:19.28 | soczol | ;p |
| 13:19.29 | Keal | abrotman, it isn't a matter of "figuring it out", it is a matter of using functionality that already exists in Debian. |
| 13:19.45 | niklaswe | hmm how can i change chassi fan speed in debian? |
| 13:19.45 | dutchfish | soczol, i can disect it, but i need then all you goods/bads and compare that to mine |
| 13:19.51 | abrotman | Keal: so ask a channel that is related to software that has the functionality you're looking for .. |
| 13:20.09 | dutchfish | soczol, but i dont know if it is usefull to anybody at this stage |
| 13:20.20 | soczol | probably not if 2.6.30+ fixes it |
| 13:20.21 | Keal | I am asking here because it would be an optimization specific to the operating system. |
| 13:20.24 | abrotman | Keal: or at least would be related where people might want to discuss it .. trash-talking this channel won't get you far |
| 13:20.28 | dutchfish | soczol, yup |
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| 13:20.41 | AimHere | Why would it be Debian-specific? |
| 13:20.42 | wols | abrotman: it got him very far with you, so far |
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| 13:20.48 | gigo | how can I see the list of all fonts available on my Debian (Squeeze) ? |
| 13:20.53 | abrotman | wols: did i give him an answer? |
| 13:21.05 | wols | since when is he looking for one? |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | AimHere: it's not, in any way |
| 13:21.25 | AimHere | I didn't think so. I'm just weak-willed and wanted to here the bogus answer |
| 13:21.27 | wols | abrotman: if you read his initial question, think a bit, you will see it's simply gibberish |
| 13:21.28 | AimHere | *hear |
| 13:21.28 | Keal | AimHere, because if Debian itself as an operating system already has the functionality I described, it would be optimized "better" to directly apply that alreay existing functionality. |
| 13:21.35 | dutchfish | slept, that could be very well your issue, but i havent walked thta path myself, so try it |
| 13:21.37 | Keal | already* |
| 13:21.46 | wols | I suggest dpkg's confuse trigger gets updated by him. He's way better than dpkg |
| 13:21.59 | abrotman | Keal: this is not a Debian question .. does *linux* have it or not? |
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| 13:23.10 | dutchfish | soczol, one thing pops up in my mind is system clock wallclock issues in regards to the shedular, but again its just a hunch |
| 13:23.10 | Keal | This isn't what I was looking for: http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ |
| 13:23.14 | slept | well problem is that I don't know how to fix m-a ... strange thing that it didn't complain before just fail to build |
| 13:23.31 | wols | slept: if it fails, it has an error message |
| 13:24.00 | wols | if it doesn't fail, thereis a nvidia.ko at the end of the tunnel |
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| 13:24.50 | dutchfish | slept, mmm |
| 13:25.01 | AimHere | Keal, if you really want to know whether Debian has your algorithm, I suggest you could always look through the source code for it |
| 13:25.02 | Keal | I just need a simple 1:1 to/from conversion between the bitfield of the raw data for a signed or floating point value, to/from its actual bit data, and the bit data of the same bit depth that represents the unsigned sorted index of that value within the entire possible range of the value the binary represents. |
| 13:25.08 | wols | slept: run m-a with the -t option |
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| 13:25.15 | AimHere | We don't know, Keal. RTFS |
| 13:25.16 | Keal | Understand? |
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| 13:25.32 | abrotman | Keal: okay, i don't think anyone here really cares .. I'd suggest you ask somewhere else |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | It's not a Debian question, have a nice day |
| 13:25.47 | abrotman | or not Debian-specific anyways |
| 13:25.56 | sepult | const and unsigned or const and signed |
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| 13:31.21 | slept | wols, now I get error messages for the build process http://pastebin.com/m29decf9c |
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| 13:32.02 | gigo | how can I see the list of all fonts available on my Debian (Squeeze) ? |
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| 13:32.14 | Keal | I will ask in #asm then. |
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| 13:32.41 | wols | slept: kernel source is too new and nvidia legacy too old basically |
| 13:33.07 | wols | the different sources won't work together with each other. either downgrade the kernel or get a different nvidia driver |
| 13:33.27 | Holborn | ~- |
| 13:33.27 | apt | rumour has it, - is this something later than 10-10-01 source ? |
| 13:33.35 | abrotman | you think he's just going from channel to channel looking for someone to write his function? :) |
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| 13:34.10 | wols | from the way he was talking, he simply trolls |
| 13:35.06 | slept | wols, thanks - so no backport |
| 13:35.27 | Trewas | it sounded very gibberish from the beginning, which is why I started with !confuse :P |
| 13:35.39 | wols | slept: you could look around at nvidia.com if there is a newer legacy driver. but I doubt it |
| 13:36.24 | slept | wols, their homepage is terrible couldn't find anything usefull |
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| 13:38.18 | chrisb_ | gigo: installed or possible? |
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| 13:39.30 | wols | slept: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
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| 13:44.31 | slept | wols, do you recomend to use their installer ? I tought that this is not the debian way |
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| 13:45.30 | wols | slept: it is not. and I very much doubt it will solve your problem |
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| 13:45.55 | wols | but if debian proper has no suitable drivers (usually only happens with very very new cards) it's the only way to get 3D |
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| 13:46.04 | wols | do you really need 3D hardware accelration? |
| 13:46.31 | slept | wols, not really and the card is very old |
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| 13:46.43 | slept | geforce 3 ti 200 |
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| 13:48.38 | chrisb_ | slept: I got a 'GeForce 7200 series' for about $70.00 NZD |
| 13:48.45 | lancelot_of | hi guys |
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| 13:49.16 | lancelot_of | i tried also kernel 2.6.32-2 but no way to connect to router with wlan |
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| 13:49.24 | chrisb_ | Unfortunately, it seems to balk at the nv driver. :( |
| 13:49.38 | abrotman | lancelot_of: what is your wifi device ? |
| 13:49.46 | lancelot_of | iwlist s correctly returns the available networks |
| 13:49.55 | abrotman | lancelot_of: and you were on OFTC before |
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| 13:50.03 | lancelot_of | abrotman, ralink with rt2860 module |
| 13:50.04 | slept | chrisb_, well i found mine in a desk ... |
| 13:50.24 | wols | woot. hardware easter hunt |
| 13:50.26 | lancelot_of | abrotman, yes gssimon suggested me to run 2.6.32-2 instead of 2.6.32-1 i had |
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| 13:50.28 | wols | great game, that |
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| 13:51.43 | slept | wols, not quite, i live in a shared flat and someone just left it .... |
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| 13:54.12 | abrotman | lancelot_of: i was telling you because you're on freenode now, and gsimmons isn't here |
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| 13:54.33 | slept | I got an other problem related to samba - the shares randomly disapear on windows 7 boxes ... Stabge thing is that from windows 7 vista can still be seen but not any of the linux or xp machines. this might be a pure win7 problem, but I am somehow hopeing that it can be fixed on the server side .... |
| 13:54.45 | lancelot_of | abrotman, oh, i confused servers, sorry |
| 13:55.10 | lancelot_of | abrotman, but do you have any suggestion on howto fix? |
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| 13:59.55 | HardDisk_WP | that each time a usb stick is inserted |
| 13:59.58 | slept | cnu there is a menu |
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| 14:05.50 | alexidoia | hi there, after an upgrade, one of my source has not been used because its public key could not be delivered, Is there a way to go through without using key verification ? |
| 14:06.02 | gigo | chrisb_, I want to know which fonts are installed. a list of all fonts |
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| 14:09.06 | slept | gigo, fc-list |
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| 14:09.33 | clamiax | hi |
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| 14:10.54 | gigo | ok, fc-list seems to be listing the ones available for software using fontconfig. does iceweasel use fontconfig? |
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| 14:12.04 | chrisb_ | gigo: What problem are you sdeeing. Is there a web page you are having trouble with? |
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| 14:13.03 | gigo | chrisb_, no, I am deciding what font i should use in my web page. so these questions came to my mind out of curiosity. want to know if there is a quick way to know what fonts my firefox can use from my system |
| 14:13.06 | clamiax | I upgraded my squeeze yesterday and everything went right. The only problem is that the xset command I use to inverts Caps_Lock and Backspace autorepeat, placed into my ~/.xinitrc, doesn't works anyway. I tried to investigate the log files but no errors are shown. I also did some google research but without any useful results. |
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| 14:13.23 | clamiax | NFC, at the moment. Does anyone can point me to the right URI/doc/whatever? Thanks in advance. |
| 14:16.38 | chrisb_ | gigo: Ah, OK. Presume it should be able to use any, if font is installed properly and you "tell" firefox in the right way. |
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| 14:19.37 | chrisb_ | clamiax: google Xmodmap |
| 14:20.11 | clamiax | chrisb_: what does Xmodmap have to do with it? |
| 14:20.39 | clamiax | It's also not possible to set autorepeat via Xmodmap, AFAIK. |
| 14:21.15 | ustunozgur_ | hi, I have installed grub2 on debian, however it doesn't see the second os on my second disk (ubuntu). How can I fix this? Running update-grub only sees the debian os. |
| 14:21.17 | chrisb_ | clamiax: sorry, I misunderstood. |
| 14:21.30 | clamiax | ok ;-) |
| 14:21.33 | ustunozgur_ | (Actually I have three disks, the first two LVM with Debian, the third ubuntu) |
| 14:21.51 | abrotman | ustunozgur_: os-prober package might hlep |
| 14:23.34 | ustunozgur_ | abrotman, wow, thanks a lot I have been searching for this for two hours |
| 14:23.54 | ustunozgur_ | It seemed to find it, I will try rebooting now. Thanks again |
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| 14:27.01 | Clarissa | Ciao a tutti |
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| 14:30.33 | ustunozgur | abrotman, ok, I booted well, do you have any idea why it takes so long at reboot when it displays the grub message? It waits for about 5 seconds and then displays the menu. |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | ustunozgur: nope, i don't know internals of grub .. but there is a #grub you could maybe ask |
| 14:31.24 | ustunozgur | ok, I will ask there. |
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| 14:37.15 | wols | abrotman: #grub supports grub2 only. nothing else |
| 14:37.27 | abrotman | thta's what he's asking about |
| 14:37.28 | wols | oh, he already uses that |
| 14:37.45 | sanal | Hello all I'm sanal |
| 14:37.56 | abrotman | we can see that |
| 14:38.10 | sanal | A teacher from India,Kerala |
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| 14:38.34 | babilen | what can we do for you? Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 14:38.38 | hellyeah | i just want to say aptitude sucks |
| 14:39.02 | hellyeah | i just do aptitude install kile it installs texlive |
| 14:39.09 | hellyeah | besides kile |
| 14:39.19 | hellyeah | what is the relation between kile and texlive |
| 14:39.19 | pipeline | that's tunable |
| 14:39.26 | abrotman | hellyeah: you look .. apt-cache show kile |
| 14:39.29 | pipeline | probably "recommended" |
| 14:39.29 | chrisb_ | hellyeah: Well, use apt-get. |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | no, use aptitude |
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| 14:39.41 | abrotman | learn how to use aptitude and configure it .. do not tell people to use apt-get |
| 14:39.41 | pipeline | chumps |
| 14:39.43 | pipeline | use dselect |
| 14:39.44 | babilen | hellyeah: Do us and yourself a favour and install another distribution - and it's probably related to recommends |
| 14:39.54 | hellyeah | stop |
| 14:39.59 | hellyeah | my silly sorry |
| 14:40.02 | hellyeah | i mean k3b |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:40.21 | Pudgy | Hi all, I'm a bit a a loss how you should start programs and tag them at the same time in wmii (3.6) from wmiirc. Does anyone have that solved? |
| 14:40.46 | hellyeah | i will install squeeze i downloaded iso |
| 14:40.49 | Pudgy | Solutions from google are not clear on this. |
| 14:41.02 | hellyeah | i dont tell use apt-get :d |
| 14:41.09 | sanal | How to get an executed command in tty1 in tty2 , immediately after it's being executed? Has it got anything to do with .bash_history? |
| 14:41.35 | hellyeah | what is cpu stress test |
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| 14:41.55 | abrotman | hellyeah: apt-cache search |
| 14:41.58 | echosystm | anyone using lenny on a core i7 |
| 14:41.58 | echosystm | ? |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | hellyeah: you NEED to learn how to read |
| 14:42.30 | babilen | echosystm: sure - many people. It's hard to give you any numbers though |
| 14:42.33 | hellyeah | in the installation of debia there is thin called cpu stress test |
| 14:42.39 | hellyeah | it can be harmful for computer |
| 14:42.59 | echosystm | im having trouble finding a motherboard that will work flawlessly with debian |
| 14:42.59 | abrotman | hellyeah: apt-cache search |
| 14:43.08 | echosystm | seems a lot of them have some things unsuported |
| 14:43.19 | babilen | !tell echosystm -about kmuto |
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| 14:43.38 | babilen | echosystm: You can use the kmuto images to install lenny with a recent kernel. |
| 14:43.42 | hellyeah | abrotman, i already did |
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| 14:43.53 | hellyeah | i just wonder it is like overclock |
| 14:43.59 | hellyeah | ? |
| 14:44.01 | babilen | no |
| 14:44.13 | echosystm | couldnt i just use backports? |
| 14:44.29 | hellyeah | babilen, cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU |
| 14:44.29 | hellyeah | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.34 | hellyeah | what does it do |
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| 14:45.04 | babilen | echosystm: Sure - assuming that you can install lenny. Which might not be possible with the standard kernel due to missing support for SATA controllers ... |
| 14:45.13 | echosystm | ah |
| 14:45.18 | echosystm | no, sata is ok |
| 14:45.26 | echosystm | its all ich10r i believe |
| 14:45.38 | hellyeah | bye |
| 14:45.39 | hellyeah | :D |
| 14:45.40 | russian_ulysses | msg dpkg debian |
| 14:45.45 | echosystm | ...which apparently works |
| 14:45.58 | babilen | echosystm: alright - I thought you ran into problems a tad earlier :-) |
| 14:45.59 | echosystm | its more things like ethernet it seems |
| 14:46.12 | babilen | echosystm: Do you need help with that? |
| 14:46.16 | echosystm | we've talked about thsi before i think lol |
| 14:46.21 | echosystm | im trying to work out what to buy |
| 14:46.24 | babilen | ah - right :-) |
| 14:47.15 | babilen | And I remember telling you to check kmuto's HCL and google for specific HW. If you have the pciid of your devices you can also /msg judd pciid <PCIID> to get information |
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| 14:47.39 | echosystm | yeah ive been doing that |
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| 14:47.50 | babilen | and? |
| 14:47.50 | echosystm | its just so hard to find all the info |
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| 14:48.02 | echosystm | so i thought i'd ask if anyone owns an i7 here |
| 14:48.18 | babilen | sorry - can't help with that. |
| 14:48.18 | sanal | hi....I'm a beginner.Can anybody plz tell me,howto to get the commands executed in tty1 in tty2 ,immediately after itis being executed.. |
| 14:49.14 | chrisb_ | sanal: What are you trying to achieve? Is this for a class demo? |
| 14:49.36 | babilen | sanal: What do you mean? You want to execute the same command three times? One time in a unspecified tty and the second and third time in tty1 and tty2 immediately afterwards? |
| 14:49.52 | sanal | chrisb_: no,it's for some convenience at times |
| 14:50.34 | babilen | sanal: You can search the list of commands you executed earlier with CTRL-R |
| 14:50.42 | slept | sanal, you can switch to tty's with CTRL+ALT+ F1 (1 corresponds to the tty number) with CTRL+ALT+F7 you get back . |
| 14:51.06 | babilen | sanal: |
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| 14:51.25 | babilen | sanal: What are you trying to do? Clarify your goals please :-) |
| 14:51.53 | sanal | suppose I'm in tty1 and executed a command and then moved to tty2, the up arrow in tty2 doesn't give the earlier command |
| 14:52.41 | babilen | aaah! |
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| 14:53.46 | sanal | thatis the command executed in tty1 is not available in tty2 immediately after its execution... |
| 14:54.00 | chrisb_ | sanal: No, it won't be. |
| 14:54.06 | babilen | sanal: http://briancarper.net/blog/keeping-bash-history-in-sync-on-disk-and-between-multiple-terminals |
| 14:54.22 | babilen | sanal: for example - there are millions other |
| 14:54.44 | sanal | chrisb_: But I read somewhere it's possible by editing some file.. |
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| 14:56.03 | babilen | sanal: ^^^^^^ |
| 14:56.44 | sanal | babilen: The IRC protocols r not much familiar to me |
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| 14:57.36 | sanal | babilen: I don't whether it's the way to be polite |
| 14:57.37 | babilen | sanal: I send you a link. See above (^^^^^^^ == look up) |
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| 14:59.49 | sanal | babilen: Im using irssiand I don't see the link here...Plz help |
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| 15:00.02 | babilen | http://briancarper.net/blog/keeping-bash-history-in-sync-on-disk-and-between-multiple-terminals |
| 15:00.13 | babilen | sanal: google 'sync bash history' |
| 15:00.26 | sanal | babilen: THANX a lot |
| 15:00.39 | babilen | sanal: You are welcoe |
| 15:00.43 | babilen | +m |
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| 15:13.44 | HardDisk_WP | is it possible on no-X-systems, to autologin a user? |
| 15:14.12 | HardDisk_WP | so that upon system is started,automatically a user gets logged in |
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| 15:15.21 | td123 | how would I get the source to the package and how it's built for this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgrib-api-dev |
| 15:15.34 | td123 | I'm mainly interested in how it's built |
| 15:16.06 | HardDisk_WP | apt-get build libgrip-api-dev |
| 15:16.13 | HardDisk_WP | apt-get build-dep libgrip-api-dev |
| 15:16.18 | HardDisk_WP | then u can use dh_make |
| 15:16.18 | babilen | td123: Add a 'deb-src http:// ...' line to your sources list - apt-get source libgrip-api-dev |
| 15:16.29 | babilen | dh_make? nooo! |
| 15:16.30 | HardDisk_WP | eh lol, first command is source, not build. |
| 15:16.34 | babilen | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:16.43 | babilen | !package recompile |
| 15:16.43 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source> |
| 15:16.44 | pipeline | the debian/rules file usually does all the work anyway |
| 15:16.46 | HardDisk_WP | mixes things up today... hand me some drink plox |
| 15:16.47 | td123 | HardDisk_WP: babilen is there some kind of online interface? (I'm not working on a debian machine right now) |
| 15:16.49 | pipeline | you don't actualy need any of the helpur utilities |
| 15:17.09 | babilen | td123: To get the source package or compile it? |
| 15:17.25 | td123 | just get the source of the package |
| 15:17.47 | td123 | babilen: I'm interested in how debian builds the package (what ./configure options and etc) |
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| 15:18.01 | babilen | td123: It's at the right ... |
| 15:18.08 | babilen | td123: In the blue box |
| 15:18.35 | td123 | oh.. [grib-api_1.8.0.orig.tar.gz] ? |
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| 15:18.44 | babilen | td123: :18 >> mtn joined ax-ax |
| 15:18.47 | babilen | 16:18 babilen(+i) 3:#debian(+LPcflnt) 819 nicks (@2 %0 +0 817) Azhrarn |
| 15:18.51 | babilen | ggggaaaaarg |
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| 15:19.03 | babilen | td123: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/gribapi.git |
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| 15:19.57 | ans | so if I have my locale set correctly to en_US.utf8, why do unicode characters not show in my urxt? only if I start another urxvt from an existing one, do they display correctly |
| 15:20.02 | babilen | td123: You want to take a look at debian/rules (click tree above) |
| 15:20.45 | td123 | babilen: thanks |
| 15:20.57 | babilen | td123: np |
| 15:21.10 | td123 | babilen: that's exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 15:21.53 | babilen | :-D |
| 15:21.57 | sanal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.18 | ans | its the same in any other terminal, for that matter |
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| 15:26.33 | ece | hey |
| 15:26.44 | ece | i am sick because of debian |
| 15:26.57 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 15:27.17 | babilen | Use a different distribution |
| 15:27.18 | hellyeah | i install debian from cd |
| 15:27.24 | hellyeah | debian squeeze |
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| 15:27.46 | hellyeah | i like debian :D |
| 15:27.47 | abrotman | no you did ont |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | stop lying |
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| 15:27.57 | puty | debian the best OS ever |
| 15:28.02 | hellyeah | abrotman, |
| 15:28.10 | AimHere | Even if it's not the best, it's the biggest. |
| 15:28.12 | hellyeah | i have debian squeeze iso |
| 15:28.20 | abrotman | so you reinstalled ? |
| 15:28.20 | hellyeah | is there anyway to prove that to you |
| 15:28.24 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 15:28.41 | hellyeah | now i cannot take ip from dhcp |
| 15:28.49 | hellyeah | dhclient doesnt work |
| 15:29.10 | hellyeah | i see eth0 wlano network is down eth0 wlan0 network is down |
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| 15:29.33 | hellyeah | i connect eternet cable to computer |
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| 15:30.20 | hellyeah | and my computer doesnt have dhcp package |
| 15:30.23 | hellyeah | pls help |
| 15:30.28 | kcin8 | i have a new 5.0.4-amd64 install which works fine but i am getting kernel bugs with modprobe & ACPI stuff which i need to ctrl-c on boot.. i looked up the problems and it seems its fixed in newer kernels |
| 15:30.48 | kcin8 | how would i go about updating my kernel? im using 2.6.26-2-amd64 right now |
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| 15:30.55 | abrotman | !tell kcin8 about bpo |
| 15:31.10 | hellyeah | new kenle 2.6.32-trunk |
| 15:31.19 | lazy^ | hellyeah: do you have iface ethX inet dhcp <- in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:31.25 | puty | hellyyeah install dhcp package |
| 15:31.37 | hellyeah | lazy^, i am looking |
| 15:31.42 | vizzy | babilen, still here? i still have the problem that i cant find a source for python-multiprocessor even with adding apt-src for squeeze |
| 15:32.01 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know how to make terminal titles work when inside screen? |
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| 15:32.14 | JyZyXEL | like dynamic terminal titles |
| 15:32.14 | kcin8 | whats backports? |
| 15:32.16 | babilen | vizzy: Didn't you upgrade to squeeze? |
| 15:32.30 | vizzy | what? no, why should i upgrade to squeeze? |
| 15:32.36 | hellyeah | Laney, ı have auth lo ıface ınıt loopback |
| 15:32.43 | babilen | vizzy: Ah - I thought you were going to do that. |
| 15:32.44 | vizzy | i mean hte sid testing apt-src |
| 15:32.47 | hellyeah | iface init loopback |
| 15:33.03 | puty | hellyeah install dhcp-client dhcp-common package |
| 15:33.06 | vizzy | babilen, no, because of kde 4, and i dont have the time now to configure a new wm for weeks |
| 15:33.12 | babilen | vizzy: May I have a look at your sources.list and 'aptitude update's output? (paste it to http://paste.debian.net) |
| 15:33.13 | vizzy | kde4 is a pain |
| 15:33.26 | hellyeah | iface llop init loopback |
| 15:33.27 | vizzy | babilen, ok, cool thx, i will paste |
| 15:33.29 | hellyeah | puty, |
| 15:33.34 | hellyeah | i dont have connection |
| 15:33.44 | hellyeah | how it is possible 'downlad' |
| 15:34.11 | hellyeah | puty, |
| 15:34.17 | hellyeah | ı dont understand |
| 15:34.30 | hellyeah | why debıan ınstallatın did not ınstall that |
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| 15:34.44 | puty | you did net install? |
| 15:34.56 | sanal | babilen: Thanks again...It's working after the file .bashrc was edited and restarted.. |
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| 15:35.02 | hellyeah | netinst |
| 15:35.03 | kcin8 | abrotman. is there no other solution than backports? |
| 15:35.05 | babilen | sanal: great |
| 15:35.15 | hellyeah | i have debian netinst cd |
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| 15:35.25 | vizzy | babilen, my sources.lst: http://tellmatic.pastebin.com/m6cdf1b45 |
| 15:35.31 | abrotman | kcin8: compile it yourself |
| 15:35.36 | babilen | kcin8: You can compile the kernel yourself - but what is wrong with backports? |
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| 15:35.45 | bvk | hi, anybody know the right IRC channel for automake or autotools related queries? |
| 15:36.00 | hellyeah | #workingset |
| 15:36.01 | abrotman | kcin8: backports.org is pretty easy to use .. you follow the instructions, import the key .. aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 15:36.04 | hellyeah | may be |
| 15:36.53 | lazy^ | hellyeah: try to add this line iface ethX inet dhcp (X == your device) then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:36.53 | hellyeah | i want debian but debian gives error all the time |
| 15:37.06 | hellyeah | eth0 |
| 15:37.07 | babilen | vizzy: Could you try: 'apt-get -t sid source python-multiprocessing' ? |
| 15:37.13 | sanal | babilen: One more doubt ...Howto install Blassic in Lenny? I tried 2 or three binary packages, but in vain...any way out |
| 15:37.17 | babilen | vizzy: But paste the error you get first |
| 15:37.23 | kcin8 | i never heard of backports but sure if i can upgrade to say 2.6.32.8.. im used to getting linux kernel and doing make menuconfig and all that back in the day but im sure it changed a lot with newer debian versions and using amd64 arch |
| 15:37.31 | babilen | sanal: What is Blassic? |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | bvk: you might want to ask ##programming |
| 15:37.37 | kcin8 | im just trying to upgrade my kernel |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | kcin8: backports.org only has .30 currently |
| 15:37.50 | abrotman | almost spelled that kerently .. |
| 15:38.01 | babilen | :-) |
| 15:38.02 | vizzy | babilen, i still get this: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_testing_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 15:38.16 | vizzy | erm, pastebin means my aptitude update output is spam, grrr |
| 15:38.29 | kcin8 | gonna try backports |
| 15:38.52 | hellyeah | lazy^, running /etc/init.d/networking restart is depreceated because it may not enable a gain some interface what does that mean |
| 15:38.52 | babilen | vizzy: And 'aptitude update' is running without problems? |
| 15:39.17 | kcin8 | which kernel does the testing/current dist use? |
| 15:39.21 | vizzy | babilen, output: http://paste.debian.net/59737/ |
| 15:39.22 | puty | hellyeah are you try find the dhcp package in Kpackage? |
| 15:39.28 | sanal | babilen: it's BASIC programming language ,Blassic the version for Linux |
| 15:39.29 | kcin8 | i might just switch to unstable |
| 15:39.29 | babilen | vizzy: sigh |
| 15:39.33 | hellyeah | puty, |
| 15:39.46 | hellyeah | i just have base system right now |
| 15:39.46 | babilen | vizzy: I told you to remove the 'testing' from the 'lenny testing' line |
| 15:39.46 | bvk | abrotman: thanks, i will see there |
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| 15:40.11 | babilen | vizzy: In fact remove line 9 |
| 15:40.24 | lazy^ | hellyeah: what other "settings" you have in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:41.01 | sanal | babilen: I tried basic-256 in Lenny and it's working...but it's different from the blassic terminal |
| 15:41.02 | puty | hellyeah try configure ip setting manualy to connect |
| 15:41.50 | puty | what about if config? |
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| 15:42.03 | puty | ifconfig detect nic? |
| 15:42.08 | vizzy | babilen, ah! that was the trick, now i can install with apt-get source python-multiprocessing, sorry, i mssed that step |
| 15:42.20 | puty | starenka jak se mate? |
| 15:42.28 | hellyeah | Laney, auth lo and ıface lo ınt loopback |
| 15:42.43 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 15:42.49 | vizzy | so, i now have the tgz packages |
| 15:42.52 | vizzy | tgz is cool :) |
| 15:42.57 | babilen | vizzy: http://tellmatic.pastebin.com/m48c8ceab |
| 15:42.58 | hellyeah | ıfconfıg gıves eth0 |
| 15:43.06 | hellyeah | ıt see my eternet |
| 15:43.34 | hellyeah | i mean |
| 15:43.45 | hellyeah | ifconfig shows my ethernet card |
| 15:43.51 | vizzy | ouch, crontip :)) nice |
| 15:43.52 | babilen | sanal: Sorry - I don't know that. |
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| 15:44.52 | sanal | babilen: Ok...I googled, but in vain..Ok..Thanks again for ur support |
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| 15:45.02 | babilen | sanal: Good luck |
| 15:45.21 | puty | hellyeah configure your cadr manualy |
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| 15:45.30 | puty | see ifconfig --help |
| 15:45.59 | sanal | babilen: sorry...one personal Question ...R U from Babylon? |
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| 15:46.52 | vizzy | ok, got the tgz packages |
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| 15:47.02 | vizzy | now unpack and type make? like in good old times? |
| 15:47.29 | sanal | babilen: BTW I'm from India Kerala...A teacher in Highschool.. |
| 15:47.45 | puty | starenka are u here? |
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| 15:48.15 | starenka | yep |
| 15:48.31 | puty | dobrej nick:D |
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| 15:50.07 | sanal | babilen: I think U R busy with helping others..sorry..Goodbye |
| 15:50.45 | syn-ack | "U" and "R" are not word, sorry but you are EPIC FAIL |
| 15:50.51 | Name1ess | ^ |
| 15:51.36 | vizzy | babilen, sorry to ask again, but xchat doesnt logged all conversation here. how can i create a package now from the tgz? |
| 15:51.52 | wols | syn-ack: you fail (sic) grammar. so I guess you two are even |
| 15:52.14 | syn-ack | Nah, I don't fail at grammer I fail at Typing |
| 15:52.16 | abrotman | !tell vizzy about mg |
| 15:52.19 | syn-ack | :D |
| 15:52.24 | abrotman | he failed at grammar again .. |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | and spelling, and punctuation |
| 15:52.44 | syn-ack | ugh |
| 15:52.51 | deever | with which udev rule can i enforce the 4th sata disk to get the name sdd? i don't get it somehow |
| 15:53.04 | vizzy | abrotman, thx, but that confuses me more and more |
| 15:53.17 | vizzy | i mean hte magic dpkg -dosomething line to install the backport |
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| 15:53.42 | wols | vizzy: the magic dpkg line is the easiest part of custom packages |
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| 15:54.22 | vizzy | it was a small command |
| 15:54.33 | vizzy | so, is there a german howto for stupid users? |
| 15:54.36 | vizzy | i dont want become a debian package developer, just want a python lib, im not interested in learning how the packagemanager works in hidden. is the no |
| 15:54.43 | babilen | !tell vizzy -about package recompile |
| 15:55.01 | babilen | vizzy: err ... |
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| 15:55.10 | babilen | !tell vizzy -about ssb |
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| 15:55.29 | vizzy | he, fakeroot? that was not what you told me before...... |
| 15:55.35 | vizzy | it gets ore and more complicated |
| 15:55.45 | babilen | vizzy: hence the second 'ssb' factoid |
| 15:55.51 | wols | vizzy: if the library already exists in debian but is the wrong version, you can take the source for the version you want and the debian config files for the .deb and mix them to a frankenlibrary. that's the easiest way I guess |
| 15:55.57 | babilen | vizzy: entspann dich :-D |
| 15:56.18 | vizzy | babilen, das macht mich fertig :) |
| 15:56.23 | babilen | vizzy: '/msg dpkg ssb' |
| 15:56.43 | vizzy | yes, thx , im reading but only understand "railwaystation" |
| 15:57.05 | babilen | hehe - germanism |
| 15:57.25 | nkuttler | vizzy: you could hepl us by telling which of the four steps you don't understand |
| 15:58.24 | kcin8 | abrotman. very nice. i just booted on 2.6.30 and i dont get any modprobe/ACPI errors |
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| 16:00.03 | bartmon | Hey guys! Has anyone used Dbus to control NetworkManager? I'm kinda stuck at trying to activate a connection. |
| 16:02.05 | sepult | bartmon: try it harder! |
| 16:03.11 | bartmon | sepult: Definitely tried as hard as I could. |
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| 16:04.28 | sepult | bartmon: in which order did you start them ? |
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| 16:06.56 | bartmon | Messages do get delivered and answered via DBus. I don't know exactly what parameter to pass along to ActivateConnection. Funny, i got 3 out of 4 down and naturally the last one stops me dead in my tracks. |
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| 16:11.23 | kcin8 | abrotman. can i configure backports kernel like menuconfig for example? |
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| 16:12.17 | nzx | hey all, i can't connect to my wifi network on debian testing, i can see the wifi card setup as wlan0 but when i setup the networking connection via network manager it's not connecting |
| 16:12.30 | wols | kcin8: you can do this with any kernel, provided you get the source and compile it yourself then |
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| 16:14.11 | kcin8 | wont it break debian if compile and install linux-2.6.32.8.tar.gz |
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| 16:14.25 | kcin8 | not even sure if i need something specific for amd64 |
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| 16:17.03 | deever | with which udev rule can i enforce f.e. the 4th sata disk to get the name sdd? i don't get it somehow...:( |
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| 16:19.43 | kcin8 | can ya point me to some docs about compiling & installing latest kernel from source and also if i need to do anything different to use amd64 arch |
| 16:20.00 | Fersure | Hey. Is there any 'rough' date for when Squeeze will become the new stable release? I can't wait for a Debian release which has KDE 4. :) |
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| 16:20.30 | babilen | deever: You want UUIDs in your fstab |
| 16:20.37 | babilen | !tell deever -about uuid |
| 16:21.03 | babilen | deever: and probably in your grub config too |
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| 16:23.03 | babilen | !tell kcin -about kernel compile |
| 16:23.09 | babilen | !tell kcin8 -about kernel compile |
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| 16:23.33 | babilen | kcin8: also: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 16:24.00 | kcin8 | k |
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| 16:27.44 | deever | babilen: i don't need to identify disks, but sata ports with the device names of the plugged disks |
| 16:28.11 | Name1ess | !tell Name1ess -about kernel compile |
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| 16:30.23 | Fersure | So no rough date for when Squeeze will become stable? |
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| 16:31.52 | jelly-home | !tell Fersure about wwsr |
| 16:31.53 | BenBE3 | When will kdebase-workspace 4:4.3.4-4 (and its dependencies) be in testing? http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdebase-workspace Only see it for sid |
| 16:32.07 | SPF | everytime I install a new kernel, all my settings in menu.lst revert to default. Even if I set kopt, how is that possible? |
| 16:32.14 | wols | BenBE3: !wir !siyh |
| 16:32.31 | wols | SPF: what is your full kopt line? |
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| 16:33.03 | Fersure | Ah, thanks jelly-home! :) |
| 16:33.07 | SPF | kopt=root=/dev/sda1 vga=791 reboot=b ro |
| 16:33.28 | wols | SPF: you did it wrong. read the comments above the line and follow it. no # removing |
| 16:33.33 | BenBE3 | wols ??? !wir !siyh ??? huh? |
| 16:33.41 | wols | !tell BenBE3 about wir |
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| 16:33.56 | jelly-home | SPF: grub-legacy? read the comments in Debian's menu.lst. |
| 16:34.21 | wols | jelly-home: not yet legacy for debian |
| 16:34.28 | Ketsa | Hello, I need to buy a cheap graphic card for a linux machine, ATI or nvidia ? |
| 16:34.45 | babilen | Fersure: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 16:34.47 | AimHere | Yes |
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| 16:35.12 | iluminator101 | I am getting no sound in flash, but there is video |
| 16:35.22 | jelly-home | wols: oh yes it is, read itd Description |
| 16:35.23 | BenBE3 | wols Open issues with it why it's not yet ready? |
| 16:35.26 | Fersure | Thanks babilen. |
| 16:35.26 | AimHere | Either. Nvidia's proprietary drivers are slightly better, ATI has made moves towards opening their proprietary drivers, and also having open drivers. |
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| 16:35.35 | wols | iluminator101: broken /dev/dsp support (OSS emulation not working probably) |
| 16:35.54 | Ketsa | ok thanks. |
| 16:36.00 | iluminator101 | wols, how do i fix this |
| 16:36.06 | jelly-home | BenBE3: typically a package doesn't enter testing until all its dependencies are satisfied and there are no release-critical bugs and 10 days have passed since it entered sid |
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| 16:36.25 | jelly-home | BenBE3: /msg dpkg why is kdebase-workspace not in testing |
| 16:37.11 | wols | iluminator101: you make sure /dev/dsp works as a sound output and that flash can access it |
| 16:37.29 | BenBE3 | jelly-home Thanks a lot for that link. |
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| 16:38.06 | SPF | wols, jelly-home, thx, I overlooked some comments |
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| 16:38.58 | cahoot | doesn't flash use alsa directly now? |
| 16:39.38 | wols | cahoot: considering lenny flash is probably 18months old or so, does it? |
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| 16:41.27 | iluminator101 | wols, what you mean about /dev/dsp |
| 16:41.49 | wols | I mean what I wrote above |
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| 16:42.03 | wols | does /dev/dsp exist on your machine? |
| 16:42.43 | wols | btw: you should see some error messages if you start your browser from an xterm and then open a flash movie |
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| 16:45.15 | Deffie | hi all, theres any verbose mode in dpkg ? i'm unable to find it |
| 16:47.03 | wols | verbose mode in what way? of what do you want more info? |
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| 16:48.08 | Deffie | removing libapache-mod-perl from etch during dist upgrade to lenny fails, and it just says error code 10 |
| 16:49.04 | wols | trally libapache? what happens if your dpkg -r the package? |
| 16:49.43 | wols | s/trally/really |
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| 16:50.18 | Deffie | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=28764&sid=4d7a36b914388f1282fee9ed49bd13b0 |
| 16:50.26 | Deffie | same situation |
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| 16:51.00 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 16:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | Have there been two kernel updates to stable in the last week? |
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| 16:58.52 | rxt0 | I have a home file-server with Lenny, installation ok, everything ok but the system totally hangs, can't ssh, nor use the keyboard, after file transfer |
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| 16:59.06 | SimManiac | rxt0: broken HW? |
| 16:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | rxt0: Perhaps you could specify what sort of file tranfer, from where to where using what? |
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| 17:00.08 | rxt0 | jhutchins: NFS transfer, from Ubuntu |
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| 17:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | So copied a file from a remote NFS mount to local physical and it hangs? |
| 17:00.57 | rxt0 | yep |
| 17:01.27 | jhutchins_lt | Anything in the NFS logs? |
| 17:01.41 | rxt0 | etc/exports: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw, no_root_squash) |
| 17:01.41 | micols | how do i make less go to last line at startup -j -1 does not work? |
| 17:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | rxt0: Local syslogs? |
| 17:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | micols: +G |
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| 17:02.09 | rxt0 | jhutchins: hard reboot on the way |
| 17:02.19 | micols | ahh jhutchins_lt magic |
| 17:02.31 | micols | as it isn't mentioned in the manpage :) |
| 17:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | rxt0: while that's running, look at the logs on the NFS server. |
| 17:02.44 | jhutchins_lt | micols: ? |
| 17:02.46 | micols | i know G and g bindings in it, but didn't think of +G |
| 17:02.54 | micols | tried -G i think :) |
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| 17:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, it is, but it's among many options. |
| 17:03.30 | micols | ohh |
| 17:03.31 | jhutchins_lt | + is to pass a command you would use within the program. |
| 17:03.32 | micols | +cmd |
| 17:03.45 | micols | got it now, thanks :) |
| 17:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | Theoretically I think you can do +/<term> to search. |
| 17:05.00 | rxt0 | jhutchins_lt: where are the NFS logs? (total ignorance lol) |
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| 17:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | rxt0: I'd tell you - but I don't run NFS. grep -ir nfs /var/log |
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| 17:07.28 | micols | jhutchins_lt: i always search -param by /-N for -N parameter description i.e. in manpages |
| 17:07.43 | micols | usually quick, but less uses +cmd :P |
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| 17:09.24 | rxt0 | jhutchins_lt: nothing abnormal |
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| 17:10.21 | jhutchins_lt | Some people would suggest Samba/CIFS, but there are wierd little nuances to setting it up with Unix extensions that are not well documented right now. |
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| 17:12.35 | rxt0 | jhutchins_lt: yesterday i got NET DEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out on dmesg after network went down |
| 17:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | You might want to fsck the data that's being shared - could have become corrupted. |
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| 17:13.47 | jhutchins_lt | NFS is known to have difficulties if the network's not solid. |
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| 17:13.58 | rxt0 | that's not critical though |
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| 17:14.07 | Macer | identd still uses 113 right? |
| 17:14.28 | Macer | i can't seem to get it to work for some reason.. opened 113 to the debian vbox and i still get no ident responses from efnet |
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| 17:15.06 | wols | haev you checked inside the vbox on what port it listens? |
| 17:16.28 | Macer | tcp 0 0 *:auth *:* LISTEN |
| 17:16.35 | Macer | auth = port 113 |
| 17:16.48 | Macer | so it's trying to listen for it... hm. let me double check my router |
| 17:16.52 | cahoot | no router involved? |
| 17:17.23 | Macer | yes. i have a linksys in front of it |
| 17:17.29 | Macer | i'm forwarding 113 to the local ip |
| 17:17.41 | Macer | oh wait .. i just realized what it could be :) thanks |
| 17:18.45 | Macer | ok maybe not |
| 17:18.55 | Macer | damnit. that's odd. i don't remember having such a hard time getting identd working :) |
| 17:19.49 | wols | Macer: oidentd fails with a help screen when trying to telnet to your port 113 |
| 17:19.59 | wols | so I guess yoir oidentd config is fscked up |
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| 17:20.15 | wols | yep: oidentd: invalid option -- s |
| 17:20.50 | Macer | yeah .. i just noticed that heh |
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| 17:21.43 | Macer | where is it getting that flag from? |
| 17:22.02 | Macer | oh.. i see |
| 17:22.04 | wols | from wherevegr you start it. my guess is /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:22.13 | Macer | yeah... xinetd |
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| 17:25.28 | Macer | thanks.. think i got it |
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| 17:28.50 | Macer | well. that's better :) thanks for the help |
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| 17:30.46 | Macer | doh! |
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| 17:31.20 | Azrael_- | if i type "cd mypathpart" and press tab twice i not only get folders but also all files that match this pattern. how can i enable it to show me only folders for this command? |
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| 17:48.14 | alex_1 | hi all, how frequently does ntp daemon request time from the server? thanks |
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| 17:49.08 | cahoot | depends on the difference |
| 17:49.41 | russian_ulysses | just upgrade from lenny to squeeze, in gnome "start button" there're missed icons for Places,System,Shutdown and several others. Icons for Applications,Internet,so on are present. How to restore them. |
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| 17:50.47 | ScottG489 | I am having trouble getting syntax highlighting to work in vim. I installed vim-full and someone suggested to try :set syntax but I am still not havin any luck |
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| 17:52.39 | Titan8990 | ScottG489: vim has its own channel |
| 17:53.15 | rvsjoen | scottg489: syntax on |
| 17:53.21 | ScottG489 | Yea my mistake I don't know why i asked here |
| 17:53.32 | Titan8990 | ScottG489: you could may need to `update-alternatives --list vim` however |
| 17:53.46 | Titan8990 | ScottG489: to make sure that vim is still not symlinked to vi' |
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| 17:53.56 | ScottG489 | hm good call |
| 17:53.59 | Titan8990 | ScottG489: well ^ was reason for asking here |
| 17:54.24 | Titan8990 | ScottG489: if not just `update-alternatives --set vim foobar` |
| 17:55.51 | russian_ulysses | just resolved it myself, but dunno how exactly -- just enabled "Show icons in menus" In Appearance item of Preferences |
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| 18:14.57 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:17.25 | iluminator101 | I am missing the sound button in gnome panel whats the package for the sound button in gnome? |
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| 18:19.33 | cahoot | iluminator101: you can't just right-click on the panel and add one? |
| 18:20.41 | inbi | hello, how can i install genius mousepen? |
| 18:21.11 | iluminator101 | also wicd is not does not showup in gnome panel i have wicd-gtk in internet-->applications |
| 18:22.05 | iluminator101 | what i mean is it doesnt show up in startup |
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| 18:22.48 | inbi | hello, how can i install genius mousepen? |
| 18:23.08 | karme | iluminator101: you mean by default / for new users? |
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| 18:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Is your user a member of netdev? Do you have the gnome equivalent of the systray applet running? |
| 18:24.53 | iluminator101 | karme i mean when you startup the pc it should show in the panel , it doesnt i have to go internet -> wicd to show up on panel instead of it being there automaticly |
| 18:24.59 | jhutchins_lt | inbi: I guess nobody paying attention now has one, I suggest you google "debian genius mousepen". |
| 18:25.39 | inbi | jhutchins, hvala |
| 18:25.44 | inbi | jhutchins, thank you |
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| 18:26.53 | iluminator101 | i cant get my mfc- 7420 scanner to scaner to work, printer part works fineFailed to open device 'brother2:bus3;dev1: invalid argument |
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| 18:29.33 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 18:29.54 | dutchfish | Bushmills, hey |
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| 18:30.17 | Bushmills | what is needed/missing/needs to be changed when midnight commander looks like this: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1266085734516452263.png ? |
| 18:30.20 | Bushmills | hey dutchfish |
| 18:30.22 | Bushmills | ltns |
| 18:31.13 | dutchfish | Bushmills, maybe change to an utf8 locale ? |
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| 18:31.27 | Bushmills | configuration is set to utf-8 |
| 18:31.38 | dutchfish | Bushmills, lenny? |
| 18:31.44 | Bushmills | i might miss the one or other font |
| 18:31.44 | Kryll | has anybody tried to run pidgin in lenny and not been able to connect to yahoo |
| 18:31.49 | Bushmills | yes, lenny |
| 18:32.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, that or you have changed fonts within MC |
| 18:32.07 | Bushmills | only, no idea what font to add |
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| 18:32.37 | Bushmills | i tried to remove .mc config directory, and it will be recreated with the same display |
| 18:32.50 | petemc | Bushmills: whats $TERM set to ? |
| 18:32.58 | Bushmills | setting to 8815-1 doesn't change a lot. |
| 18:33.14 | Bushmills | term now set to rxvt. tried linux, vt52, vt100, not change |
| 18:34.01 | Bushmills | char set config dialog: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1266086027618081071.png ! |
| 18:34.51 | Bushmills | actually, i lied. not lenny. squeeze. |
| 18:35.15 | dutchfish | Bushmills, what is your ~/.mc/ini | grep keymap ? |
| 18:35.42 | Bushmills | keymap=mc.keymap |
| 18:36.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, you can alter that to your keymap in term |
| 18:36.16 | dutchfish | Bushmills, they must at least match |
| 18:36.20 | Bushmills | does that affect output charset? |
| 18:36.25 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 18:37.31 | Kryll | can someone recommend a graphical im client other than pidgin |
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| 18:37.51 | topi` | what would be a good generic site about linux kernel now that kerneltrap.org seems to contain only old news/articles? |
| 18:37.56 | topi` | the last "news" item in kernetrap.org seems to be from september |
| 18:38.30 | dutchfish | Bushmills, also look at F9 -> configuration -> shell paterns |
| 18:38.41 | petemc | topi`: lwn, tho its not kernel specific |
| 18:38.47 | jhutchins_lt | Kryll: There is kopete |
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| 18:39.04 | petemc | topi`: also kernelplanet.org has a feed from a chap that does kernel news |
| 18:39.24 | babilen_ | Kryll: empathy? |
| 18:39.33 | Bushmills | changing shell pattern in config does not have any effect on display here |
| 18:40.12 | Bushmills | it actually appears, form the chars displayed, as if there was lacking some unicode font |
| 18:40.14 | dutchfish | Bushmills, you have to restart mc for that, and it only has an effetc on certian keymaps/locales |
| 18:40.22 | Bushmills | i did restart |
| 18:40.24 | Kryll | babilen: I cant connect to yahoo with empathy and I will give kopete a try |
| 18:40.34 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 18:41.32 | babilen | Kryll: You might want to try pidgin from backports too |
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| 18:41.49 | spersaud | my cdrom wont eject |
| 18:41.55 | spersaud | how can I eject it ? |
| 18:42.02 | hanibana | hi all |
| 18:42.07 | spersaud | I dont think anything is in it |
| 18:42.16 | babilen | spersaud: 'eject /media/cdrom' |
| 18:42.17 | Bushmills | spersaud: unmount it |
| 18:42.23 | wols | spersaud: is it unmounted? |
| 18:42.30 | spersaud | not sure |
| 18:42.36 | wols | then check |
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| 18:42.50 | babilen | spersaud: type 'mount' and check |
| 18:42.56 | hanibana | any one here used "tap:aio" instead of "file" URI on the Xen config files with Lenny? |
| 18:43.20 | Chr1z | I need python-central 0.6.11 or newer on debian lenny. 0.6.8 is what it has... what's the easiest way to get to 0.6.11 or greater w/o adding a sid repo ? |
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| 18:43.37 | wols | Chr1z: check bpo |
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| 18:43.55 | babilen | ,versions python-central |
| 18:43.55 | judd | python-central -- etch: 0.5.12; lenny: 0.6.8; sid: 0.6.14+nmu2; squeeze: 0.6.14+nmu2 |
| 18:43.59 | wols | but it's unlikely to have it. then the next step is to do a simple sid backport |
| 18:44.00 | spersaud | babilen: no, I dont think its mounted, cdrom wont open ... strange |
| 18:44.09 | babilen | !tell Chr1z -about ssb |
| 18:44.23 | Bushmills | spersaud: does machine thing that too, that it is unmounted? |
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| 18:44.27 | Bushmills | think |
| 18:44.33 | dutchfish | Bushmills, Have you tried temporary using LANG=us_US or or other language without Unicode binding (aka us_US.UTF-8) before mc is started? |
| 18:44.53 | Bushmills | all LANG have been set to C now |
| 18:44.58 | Chr1z | wols: add only the deb-src.. I got that but what sid repo should I add? |
| 18:45.04 | Bushmills | i'll try us |
| 18:45.23 | wols | Chr1z: what do you mean? |
| 18:45.29 | Bushmills | oh |
| 18:45.33 | Bushmills | dutchfish: that did it+ |
| 18:45.34 | dutchfish | Bushmills, make sure without unicode binding |
| 18:45.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible to be able to remove some apps that come with gnome, without removing all of gnome? How do i know which apps I can remove this way? Just try and see? |
| 18:45.46 | dutchfish | Bushmills, :) |
| 18:45.54 | Chr1z | wols: I don't know what sid repository to add to my sources. |
| 18:46.04 | wols | LinuxGuy2009: the "gnome" package is a metapackage. doesn't mean it removes all of gnome |
| 18:46.14 | wols | Chr1z: any |
| 18:46.19 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: yes, by uninstalling 'gnome'... if doing so wants to remove the gnome package, it's because they're marked as automatically installed |
| 18:46.38 | spersaud | Bushmills: when I do eject, it says unable to read media, probably no media in drive |
| 18:46.46 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, then you just to install the locale for your language without unicode bindings to fix it in your locale |
| 18:46.49 | Chr1z | wols: where do I find one? |
| 18:46.56 | spersaud | I cant get this drive open even before os starts I think ... is it a drive failure ? |
| 18:47.18 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: so you can do aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome' to mark everything gnome depends on as manually installed |
| 18:47.19 | wols | Chr1z: on the internet? it's a simple url like the ones already in your sources.list. almost the same lines |
| 18:47.24 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: aptitude unmarkauto <package_you_want_to_remove> or aptitude markauto <packages_you_want_to_keep> |
| 18:47.26 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: then when you remove gnome they won't be removed |
| 18:47.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | wols: Ok so like if I want to replace gedit(lack of better example right now) even though synaptic says that gnome, gnome desktop, will be removed, those are just metapackages, and later if I run apt-get autoremove then all of gnome will not be removed? |
| 18:47.39 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: Start with some gnome meta packages, like gnome-core |
| 18:48.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh I see |
| 18:48.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hmm |
| 18:48.56 | Chr1z | wols: would deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main <- work? |
| 18:49.15 | wols | yes, but use a local mirror in your country |
| 18:49.21 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: You basically tag all packages you want to keep as *not* automatically installed with 'unmarkauto' |
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| 18:49.41 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: /msg dpkg install gnome - to get an overview of the meta-packages you might want to consider |
| 18:49.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | So would it be safe to set ALL packages on the system to not auto installed so I could have complete customization of the system? And it would be fairly safe as long as I watch what Im doing? |
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| 18:50.22 | pngwn | probably not have much luck with sid if you can't figure out the sources.list ;) |
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| 18:51.23 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: Sure - Just make sure you are not doing this withing GNOME ;-) |
| 18:51.43 | Bushmills | dutchfish: "en" as LANG seems to do too. I have localpurged all other locales now. |
| 18:51.53 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: But it would probably be easier to just tell aptitude which packages you want to keep |
| 18:52.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yes, you know now how to set it in your desired locale |
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| 18:52.49 | dutchfish | Bushmills, some dont draw the funny chars well however |
| 18:52.51 | kcin8 | from which package can i get mkinitrd from? |
| 18:52.59 | Bushmills | still wondering why "C" wouldn't do. but not wondering enough to examine it now. |
| 18:53.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok cool. Also am wondering if I do set all of them to not auto installed, if that will effect how aptitude works when you try to remove every package on the system to start fresh, where it prevents you from removing the core packages of the system. Will those still be kept from removal? |
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| 18:53.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Or would I just have to try it out and see? |
| 18:53.56 | dutchfish | Bushmills, because C locale is build in kernel? |
| 18:54.28 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: A reinstall might be easier :-) |
| 18:54.44 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: But yes, essential packages will be kept |
| 18:55.03 | babilen | Or rather: You get a big fat warning when you try to remove them |
| 18:55.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well actually I have a Clonezilla backup of a fresh install so if I screw up while learning I can get back up in 3 mins. hehe |
| 18:55.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Sweet |
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| 18:55.57 | akav | those of you running Debian on desktops: stable, testing or unstable? |
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| 18:56.21 | babilen | stable or testing |
| 18:56.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok you guys gave me great advice for the method to do this stuff. Ill really read over the man pages for aptitude for sure now and see what all it can do that I dont know of yet. |
| 18:56.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thanks |
| 18:56.46 | babilen | :-) |
| 18:57.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | Debian stable on desktop and netbook here. |
| 18:57.33 | akav | LinuxGuy2009, do you get more updated software from testing/unstable, or just go with what you get from stable? |
| 18:57.42 | karme | LinuxGuy2009: aptitude has also a nice readme: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 18:58.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | karme: Cool Ill check that too thank you. |
| 18:58.14 | babilen | akav: Mixing version is *bad* - If you want newer software either use backports or upgrade to testing |
| 18:58.29 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: /msg dpkg reference |
| 18:58.52 | babilen | !tel LinuxGuy2009 -about aptitude doc |
| 18:58.57 | babilen | !tell LinuxGuy2009 -about aptitude doc |
| 18:59.02 | akav | babilen, I was under the impression that it was common practice... is there a KDE4.3 backport? |
| 18:59.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | akav: I dont really update my system at all. I have the 5 DVD repos set burned. And also the 5 ISOs are mounted by /etc/rc.local at bootup and are set as software sources so everything installs right off my hard drive. |
| 18:59.18 | babilen | akav: No idea - But I doubt it |
| 18:59.39 | babilen | akav: And *NO* it is not common practice .. |
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| 19:00.02 | akav | ok, so if I want recent versions of desktop software I ought to just go with testing then? |
| 19:00.06 | babilen | yes |
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| 19:00.25 | babilen | ,versions kde-core |
| 19:00.25 | judd | kde-core -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48 |
| 19:00.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thats another thing I need to tackle, is when you build a backport from testing repo source code, how you know what to set as install deps for the packages. |
| 19:01.34 | dutchfish | akav, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:02.18 | akav | dutchfish, thanks. Are you running KDE? |
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| 19:02.45 | dutchfish | akav, i normally dont answer polls ;) but i run indeed squeeze KDE4 |
| 19:03.17 | akav | I know it isn't even available yet, but I'm interested in KDE 4.4. |
| 19:03.25 | akav | not available yet in Debian that is |
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| 19:04.24 | dutchfish | akav, oh, i thought you asked if there is a KDE 4.3 backport |
| 19:04.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | akav: I just downloaded the testing DVD 1 today but inly tried gnome, but someone said that KDE 4.3 is on it. |
| 19:04.52 | akav | dutchfish, Yeah, I know KDE 4.4 isn't there yet, even for unstable. |
| 19:04.54 | czeryna | Hi! Where I can see with what options mysql-server is compiled? |
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| 19:06.21 | akav | LinuxGuy2009, yep, KDE 4.3 is in testing. |
| 19:06.37 | Kryll | I added the backports to lenny now its saying the gpg signature cant be verified |
| 19:06.51 | akav | The only thing that concerns me about testing is that I read that when stuff breaks, it's at least 10 days before it's fixed. Don't know how common that is, though. |
| 19:07.07 | babilen | czeryna: Have a look at debian/rules in the source package |
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| 19:07.55 | MrJK | hi |
| 19:08.01 | babilen | !tell czeryna -about package recompile |
| 19:08.14 | MrJK | I just bought a Domain Name |
| 19:08.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I did try to backport something from testing repo source, wouldnt the install dep packages and versions be identical to that of the already built package in testing? |
| 19:08.39 | MrJK | Do I need to modify the host of my debian? Or I needn't too change anything ? |
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| 19:08.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | This is what is stopping me from building backports. |
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| 19:09.19 | wols | LinuxGuy2009: no |
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| 19:09.38 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: no, they get computed at build time |
| 19:09.43 | wols | when you compile a deb, the only dependencies it can have are the ones on your machine while compiling, nothing else |
| 19:09.50 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: you have to be able to satisfy the build-depends, though |
| 19:09.57 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: so they can't have too-new versions |
| 19:10.07 | wols | \amethyst: or edit the build-deps creatively and pray |
| 19:10.07 | nils1 | hej guys, has anyone of you experience in running urban terror egoshooter on debian? |
| 19:10.42 | wols | nils1: ask your real question |
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| 19:11.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | amethyst: Ok so your saying that the package names for build deps and installs deps will be the same as in testing, but of the same version number as the ones installed on your system when you actually do the building? I get that right? |
| 19:12.03 | wols | LinuxGuy2009: no. install deps will not be frm testing |
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| 19:12.35 | nils1 | does anyone know, how to get it running or what dependencies exist? |
| 19:12.36 | cusco | wasn't there a factoid that told me how to burn a iso image from CLI ? |
| 19:12.41 | cusco | can't find it |
| 19:12.57 | cahoot | wodim my.iso |
| 19:12.58 | Bushmills | cusco: wodim |
| 19:13.03 | babilen | nils1: Try to install it and come back when you have a problem |
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| 19:13.24 | cusco | Bushmills: yea, I know the tools is wodim, a fork of cdrecord |
| 19:13.35 | karme | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.42 | Bushmills | cusco: but you didn't know that you can use it for burning iso images? |
| 19:13.44 | cahoot | wodim my.iso cusco |
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| 19:14.08 | cusco | ok.. |
| 19:14.10 | nils1 | well theres no need for installation! but when i start it, my resolution changes to sth like 800x600 and the system freezes |
| 19:14.28 | cusco | yes I know I can, I just thought it would implicate too many flags, so I thought of that factoid ... |
| 19:14.31 | cusco | ok thanks |
| 19:16.44 | kcin8 | what package do i need to use mkinitrd ? i trying to make the initrd.img file for my new kernel |
| 19:17.47 | babilen | kcin8: kernel-package |
| 19:18.01 | babilen | kcin8: /msg dpkg kernel compile and /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 19:19.12 | karme | kcin8: if you used make-kpkg the initrd should be created automatically on install - if not you typically use update-initramfs from initramfs-tools |
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| 19:20.43 | nils1 | so i guess, no one has an idea? |
| 19:20.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so lets say I successfully build a package from source. I need to know what to tell checkinstall, what packages are needed for installation. So if I go to packages.debian.org and see that the same package built with testing libs and packages requires package called Package_1.0, but my stable install has Package_0.9 for example, do I just copy the names of the packages that are listed for it but change the number version to match whats |
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| 19:21.35 | kcin8 | nah i did not use make-kpkg. i got the source and just compiled and did make install which gives me system.map , kernel , config |
| 19:22.00 | kcin8 | even with lernel-package i still cant use the command mkinitrd |
| 19:22.06 | kcin8 | kernel-package* |
| 19:22.17 | babilen | it's not there - you need that to compile a kernel the debian way |
| 19:22.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | If nobody is sure then thats ok I do have another question about aptitude in the mean time... |
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| 19:23.29 | widmo | hi |
| 19:23.40 | karme | kcin8: maybe you want mkinitramfs? |
| 19:23.45 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: You can't backport every single package. It might work if you change the version numbers of the dependencies but it will most likely not work |
| 19:23.49 | widmo | anybody knows, how to make irssi works in chroot? |
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| 19:24.33 | kcin8 | i got that too |
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| 19:24.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just removed "ekiga" from my netbook installation.It removed the gnome and gnome desktop metapackages. Went to terminal, su, apt-get autoremove -s to simulate autoremoval of packages not needed anymore to test out what happens. It wants to remove all of gnome like before. So do I need to set ekiga as NOT autoinstalled and then remove it so the rest wont be removed? |
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| 19:25.04 | karme | !mkinitrd |
| 19:25.04 | dpkg | mkinitrd is obsolete and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #393092. You want mkinitramfs (initramfs-tools package) instead, ask me about <initramfs>. |
| 19:25.30 | dutchfish | !tell kcin8 abou kp-mantra |
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| 19:25.56 | babilen | kcin8: You did not even look at the documentation dpkg told you about earlier ... :-( |
| 19:26.10 | kcin8 | i did.. i tryed make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 19:26.26 | kcin8 | and it gives me error unknown target |
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| 19:27.03 | babilen | did you run it in the kernel's top level directory? |
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| 19:30.18 | kcin8 | yeah from /usr/src/linux-2.6.32.8/ ? |
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| 19:31.39 | dutchfish | kcin8, have you tried making the initrd with update-initramfs -c -k [your kernel version] ? |
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| 19:35.15 | kcin8 | i just tryed now. its trying to generate the initrd.img but now it cant find /lib/modules/vmlinuz-2.6.32.8 |
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| 19:35.33 | dutchfish | kcin8, depmod [your kernel version] |
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| 19:35.42 | hochron | can someone help burn dvd's with my burner? |
| 19:35.52 | dutchfish | kcin8, then try again |
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| 19:36.34 | kcin8 | yeah depmod did some work but hmm it says the same thing.. |
| 19:37.16 | dutchfish | kcin8, is there actualy a dir called /lib/modules/[your kernel version] ? otherwise create it and run depmod again |
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| 19:37.58 | kcin8 | yeah i have /lib/modules/2.6.32.8/ |
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| 19:38.21 | kcin8 | but its looking for vmlinuz and its not in there its in /boot |
| 19:38.36 | dutchfish | kcin8, then try again update-initramfs -c -k [your kernel version] |
| 19:38.42 | doc|home | hey, I'm trying to install postgres but it's trying to pull down 7.4 and I want 8.4. Can anyone tell me how to get 8.4 via apt? |
| 19:38.43 | xyan | kcin8: make install just copies the kernel and system map, run make modules_install after make install |
| 19:38.47 | dutchfish | kcin8, is the kernel installed? |
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| 19:39.21 | kcin8 | already did make modules , make modules install and then make install which only copy to /boot yeah |
| 19:39.38 | xyan | "make modules_install" not "make modules install" |
| 19:39.43 | kcin8 | i tryed booting the kernel but its with my old initrd.img and im sure thats the problems |
| 19:39.57 | dutchfish | of course |
| 19:39.58 | kcin8 | i get a kernel panic not finding my lib/modules |
| 19:40.03 | dutchfish | sure |
| 19:40.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im still having trouble guys what exactly do I need to do to be able to remove a package that is part of the gnome desktop such as "ekiga" which i never use, without removing the other 100+ packages that make up the gnome desktop? |
| 19:40.28 | dutchfish | do what xyan said |
| 19:40.33 | kcin8 | did "make modules" and "make modules_install" |
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| 19:40.50 | xyan | then "update-initramfs -k 2.6.32.8 -t -u" |
| 19:41.02 | omakase | i have a machine for which free shows almost all the memory is used .. but ps doesn't show any processes that are using the memory |
| 19:41.14 | omakase | is this a memory leak? is there a way to free the memory? |
| 19:41.17 | xyan | kcin8: erm not -u but -c to create it for the first time |
| 19:41.26 | wols | !free memory |
| 19:41.26 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 19:42.02 | kcin8 | yay it seems to done the initrd.img |
| 19:42.04 | hochron | what command should I be looking at?? btcflash? |
| 19:42.18 | omakase | dpkg: ok ... i understand that, and thought things were fine, until the machine actually ran out of memory and crashed last night |
| 19:42.18 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, omakase |
| 19:42.30 | kcin8 | i will add it to my grub and try to boot |
| 19:42.32 | dutchfish | kcin8, now check grub's stancas, to make sur eit can boot |
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| 19:42.50 | wols | omakase: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:42.56 | xyan | kcin8: i usually run "make deb-pkg" to build dpkg installable debian packages which take care of the initramfs as well |
| 19:43.03 | omakase | oops |
| 19:43.40 | wols | omakase: when it runs out of memory, there should be the OOM killer preventing a machine crash |
| 19:43.45 | dutchfish | !kp-mantra |
| 19:43.45 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 19:43.50 | wols | it might however emergency terminate programs |
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| 19:44.25 | wols | well, no "might" about it. it just does. to free memory, the program which tried to allocate memory and failed is forcibly terminated |
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| 19:45.30 | omakase | wols: hmm this is what i see on ec2 machines all the time ... the machine becomes unreachable by ssh, and /var/log/messages shows that it runs out of memory when im able to get back on it |
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| 19:45.58 | omakase | wols: but more importantly .. what keeps happening is the machine "runs out of memory" despite me not seeing any guilty processes |
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| 19:46.38 | wols | omakase: is it always the same process that gets killed? |
| 19:46.46 | dutchfish | omakase, you can easely check that by manually flushing the cashes and inspecting /proc/meminfo ( echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync ) |
| 19:46.48 | wols | logs tell you which processs it was |
| 19:46.54 | kcin8 | yes im finaly on 2.6.32.8 |
| 19:47.28 | kcin8 | had to make the initrd with update-initramfs to make it work |
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| 19:49.30 | mouser- | Hi, everyone. I have what should be a simple question. Apt isn't successfully refreshing packages due to a depenency issue with gizmo-installer (can't parse) as well as another parse error with open-ssh. I tried clearing the cache and refreshing, but still received the same error. The terminal output is here:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/702819. For some reason, I don't have a current dpkg status file nor a dpkg/status-old file |
| 19:51.10 | hochron | I tried wodim at 1x speed I just put dvdrtools and dvd-tools dbg, but dont know how I should proceed |
| 19:51.14 | dutchfish | mouser-, do you have a backup (so you could restore a recent status file)? |
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| 19:54.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hey guys I thought I would share what i have found in a forum i cam across on google. I used synaptic to remove "ekiga" that i dont use, and then I ran "aptitude keep-all" and it sets the 100+ other packages that make up gnome desktop to be kept instead of being removed on the next run of "apt-get autoremove". Works brilliant! |
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| 19:54.16 | dutchfish | mouser-, if you do, create a diff to find the missing/altered peace, and work from there |
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| 19:56.45 | Bagoor | I'm looking for a command which flips a text vertically |
| 19:57.08 | mouser-- | dutchfish, I have a backup, but it's before I added about 20 programs and 3 repositories. |
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| 19:57.16 | babilen | Bagoor: In Latex? |
| 19:57.33 | Bagoor | babilen: In commandline |
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| 19:58.00 | dutchfish | mouser-, yes, create a diff form the broken and the old one, and repair the broken one manually, i see no othe roptions |
| 19:58.04 | hochron | so what did I do to make everyone put me on ignore? |
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| 19:58.20 | xyan | Bagoor: vi -A <textfile> ? |
| 19:58.25 | karme | Bagoor: tac |
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| 19:59.03 | dutchfish | mouser-, you need to add the 20 or so manually, that might be a pita |
| 19:59.07 | n-iCe | Hi there, is there a way to use a simple compiz fusion effect without installing the whole thing? |
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| 20:00.58 | xyan | hochron: whats your exact problem, you cant burn dvds/cds with wodim? |
| 20:01.38 | Bagoor | karme, I want something like this : http://www.fliptext.org/ |
| 20:01.57 | mouser- | dutchfish: it might be too much work on this system. That's what I get for not making weekly backups. Do you have any idea what causes something like this? The issue is a corrupt cache, right? |
| 20:02.25 | dutchfish | mouser-, that or a broken harddrive maybe |
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| 20:02.46 | hochron | xyan: no I have had this problem for some time.... I just ran downstairs to grab some dvd+rw's |
| 20:02.56 | dutchfish | mouser-, i asume you did your security stuff well |
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| 20:03.38 | hochron | xyan: it is possible that the drive is damaged... I hat optical technology |
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| 20:04.02 | xyan | hopecon: if the drive is damaged you should get scsi errors or whatever in syslog |
| 20:04.09 | xyan | eew hochron* |
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| 20:05.11 | xyan | hochron: i personaly dislike wodim it always dies with scsi timeouts and buffer errors, locks up my drive and ends up as a zombie process and so on |
| 20:05.29 | TTimo | anyone understand the mess with libjpeg-dev in sid |
| 20:05.37 | mouser- | dutchfish: As well as I can and to the best of my knowledge. I'm running on a Nokia Internet Tablet, so the security setup is a bit different from a normal desktop install. |
| 20:05.50 | hochron | hmmm ok xyan |
| 20:06.33 | hochron | xyan: what would you use? I am checking syslog for previous attempts brb |
| 20:06.58 | xyan | hochron: that what wodim is a fork of, cdrtools by schily |
| 20:07.00 | dutchfish | mouser-, you might want to check rkhunter and others as well |
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| 20:10.26 | topi` | is there any way to download the entire linux kernel mailing list as a single txt file? |
| 20:10.44 | topi` | mouser-: are you running debian on your tablet? :) |
| 20:10.50 | topi` | I have a n810 with debian installed |
| 20:11.31 | wols | topi`: your question is a bit nonsensical |
| 20:11.39 | hochron | xyan: hmmm dvdrtools? I cant get a manpage for it... I am going to try something. syslolg only records the last session so I have to try it again |
| 20:11.51 | wols | tho, there are whole fileformats for having tons of mail in a single file. mbox |
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| 20:12.32 | xyan | hochron: its not in debian there have been some issues, its hosted on berlios. read more at the project page there to get an idea |
| 20:12.47 | mouser- | topi': Yes, I'm running Debian on my N810 as well. :) |
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| 20:14.42 | nooper | topi`: read http://userweb.kernel.org/~akpm/lkml-mbox-archives/ |
| 20:14.55 | nooper | and http://gmane.org/export.php |
| 20:15.25 | hochron | xyan: it wont even let me mount this dvd+rw! |
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| 20:16.15 | xyan | hochron: pastebin any related syslog entries. some drives dont even support dvd+rw just dvd-rw though |
| 20:16.19 | topi` | wols: I'm not nonsensical. I need to go through a lot of old patches (I'm doing patch statistics) so I want to get a big blob of messages somehow (I haven't subscribed to these lists so...) |
| 20:17.13 | wols | topi`: the entire linux kernel mailing list at this point (~15 years or so) is probably several terabytes. so I'd say yes, you are nonsensical |
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| 20:17.47 | wols | especially since you most certainly don't want linux 0.97 patches and the like |
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| 20:18.29 | nooper | wols: from 2001 to 2009-02, its only 1gb, compressed |
| 20:18.45 | topi` | nooper: thanks! this exporting of gmane seems to be what I need. |
| 20:19.08 | topi` | wols: I'm studying patches from january 2009 to january 2010 |
| 20:19.08 | nooper | topi`: its really slow though. i'd get those mbox archives by month first |
| 20:19.35 | topi` | nooper: I noticed it seems to take a bit of time. I need to think about how to accomplish this without bogging their servers down. |
| 20:20.19 | nooper | you might be able to get them via NNTP. `slrnpull` can download entire groups together. dunno the commands mysel |
| 20:20.22 | nooper | f |
| 20:20.54 | karme | Bagoor: :-) - you could use the js code with the cli js shell |
| 20:21.04 | topi` | but NNTP tends to forget older messages |
| 20:21.19 | nooper | depends on the server |
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| 20:22.06 | hochron | xyan: hm it let me mount a cd-rom in the drive, but says my dvd+rw medium is not foung, it let me mount a blank dvd-r, should I try to burn something with wodim? |
| 20:23.02 | xyan | hochron: mount a blank dvd-r? you cant mount a blank medium i guess |
| 20:24.01 | xyan | hochron: theres dvd+rw-mediainfo if that doesnt tell you that you inserted a blank disk, then either your hw doesnt support dvd+rw media or its damaged indeed |
| 20:27.25 | hochron | hmmm here is my output from dvd+rw-mediainfo... http://pastebin.com/m1a0ce4b or should I put that dvd+rw disc in? |
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| 20:28.36 | xyan | hochron: damn sure you should insert _media_ to obtain info about the media! |
| 20:29.01 | xyan | so its the blank dvd-r fine, now try the dvd+rw |
| 20:29.05 | xyan | and run it again |
| 20:29.49 | hochron | it says no media mounted... maybe the disc is bad |
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| 20:30.05 | hochron | it wont let me mount it |
| 20:30.12 | xyan | is there anything in /var/log/syslog? |
| 20:31.11 | hochron | it say that it doesn't have any track it recognizes |
| 20:31.41 | xyan | that sounds like corrupt media |
| 20:32.10 | hochron | ok, well ive got alot of dvd-rs |
| 20:32.18 | hochron | lets use that |
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| 20:37.46 | hochron | xyan: hmmm this is the output from wodim after trying to burn an iso http://pastebin.com/md7aac1 |
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| 20:39.29 | hochron | nothing is in syslog |
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| 20:42.03 | xyan | hochron: looks like this known bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399471 |
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| 20:42.55 | yagoo | hi |
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| 20:46.02 | yagoo | i get this thing with some device resuming (i have to hit enter for the bootup to continue on tty1). It has something to do with the hibernation/suspending. I am not sure where to look in /etc, other than /etc/fstab-disk-manager-save might have something to do with it.. quel qu'un peux m'aider? |
| 20:46.33 | hochron | xyan: hmm, it says "cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!" in the messages, I thought it was from the previous attempt mounting a dvd+rw but it gives me that message when I try to mount a dvd-r.... I guess the drive is broken. I have some more thing to try from that bugreport, thanks for the help! |
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| 20:47.20 | Texou | hi |
| 20:48.48 | Texou | I installed on lenny acroread and acroread-plugins but at startup I get: "(acroread-fra:27923): gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64". How can I solve this please? It prevents from Orca to allow accessibility of this application |
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| 20:50.44 | yagoo | nm, i think i found it (less uswsusp.conf) |
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| 20:53.37 | doc|home | how do I find out why libcurl might have been held back? |
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| 20:54.14 | jelly-home | Texou: use 32bit debian? |
| 20:54.47 | Texou | jelly-home: why not :) but if I could not re-install my system... I'd prefer |
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| 20:55.10 | jelly-home | well, you can direct complaints to Adobe |
| 20:55.31 | jelly-home | or try using a different GTK engine |
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| 20:55.59 | Texou | jelly-home: ah how can I do the second idea (use different gtk engine)? |
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| 20:56.33 | jelly-home | Texou: if you're using Gnome, it should have options of that. If not, gtk-chtheme should help |
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| 20:56.53 | Texou | jelly-home: I use gnome |
| 20:56.56 | jelly-home | or use a free pdf viewer |
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| 20:57.11 | yagoo | Texou, there's evince and foxit reader |
| 20:57.45 | amphi | epdfview is a nice light one |
| 20:57.57 | Texou | yagoo: jelly-home: I can't , orca is very limited in this kind of applications. Except (maybe) if a reader exists based on gtk (not sure it'll work) |
| 20:58.04 | yagoo | foxit is light too, imho |
| 20:58.21 | yagoo | Texou, there's also xpdf |
| 20:58.41 | yagoo | >xpdf-reader - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- viewer for X11 |
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| 20:59.02 | amphi | didn't acroread used to be statically linked to motif? ;) |
| 20:59.19 | jelly-home | amphi: welcome to 21st century! |
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| 20:59.48 | amphi | jelly-home: motiflessness! oh joy ;) |
| 20:59.56 | jelly-home | binary apps have all gone gtk |
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| 21:00.05 | jelly-home | or qt if one's lucky |
| 21:00.06 | doc|home | anyone? |
| 21:00.11 | yagoo | Texou, the problem with xpdf (last time i tried it was more than a year ago ;-), was that complex pdfs weren't showing properly |
| 21:00.40 | yagoo | doc|home, maybe its conflicting with something |
| 21:00.45 | Texou | yagoo: I tried it but... "unaccessible" for Orca too |
| 21:00.58 | doc|home | yagoo: hmmm, how can I determine what that would be? |
| 21:01.19 | yagoo | doc|home, dunno, i'm guessing u have crappy repo setting somewhere, (dpkg -C) |
| 21:01.30 | jelly-home | Texou: evince is a Gnome (and therefore Gtk+) app |
| 21:01.43 | yagoo | what's orca btw? |
| 21:01.49 | yagoo | that a commercial app? |
| 21:02.26 | jelly-home | yagoo: screen reader thingy, apt-cache search orca says there are parts of it in Debian, too |
| 21:02.35 | Texou | jelly-home: yes. Thanks to Evince I can read some pdf copy/and/paste them in gedit. :) It's what I'll go on doing if I can't make acroread work. It's one of the only ways I have to read pdf in braille now :) |
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| 21:02.52 | doc|home | yagoo: no results, and it's possible I do, just upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 21:03.08 | yagoo | Texou, acroread is in nonfree or something like that.. |
| 21:03.21 | Texou | yagoo: yes |
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| 21:04.14 | yagoo | Texou, if messes from the repo? |
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| 21:04.42 | Texou | yagoo: messes? |
| 21:04.42 | jelly-home | yagoo: read the backlog... <Texou> I installed on lenny acroread and acroread-plugins but at startup I get: "(acroread-fra:27923): gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64". How can I solve this please? It prevents from Orca to allow accessibility of this application |
| 21:05.01 | yagoo | Texou, how did you try to install adobereader? |
| 21:05.10 | Texou | lenny |
| 21:05.14 | Texou | aptitude |
| 21:05.16 | jelly-home | yagoo: acroread is 32bit and expects 32bit gtk engine libs in wrong places |
| 21:05.31 | timeoh | yes |
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| 21:05.41 | timeoh | what do you want to know about virtualization |
| 21:05.42 | gewt | hm |
| 21:05.46 | gewt | I am not liking this |
| 21:05.48 | yagoo | Texou, ia32-libs-gtk - GTK+ ia32 shared libraries |
| 21:05.51 | gewt | unable to install 64bit flash |
| 21:05.52 | yagoo | aptitude install that :) |
| 21:05.58 | gewt | because i'm unable to connect to people.debian.org! |
| 21:06.05 | yagoo | is using 64bit debian |
| 21:06.17 | Texou | yagoo: I look if ft's installed |
| 21:06.22 | timeoh | what do you want to know about virtualization |
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| 21:06.55 | Texou | yagoo: well acroread installed this package |
| 21:06.56 | gewt | i'm using 64bit debian. |
| 21:06.58 | gewt | but I want flash. |
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| 21:07.12 | MahdiP | hi for all debian users . |
| 21:07.19 | yagoo | gewt, there's the 64bit but its not 100% stable |
| 21:07.27 | MahdiP | who can help me for create live debian DVD ? |
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| 21:08.06 | yagoo | Texou, strange, it should work.. |
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| 21:08.32 | Texou | yagoo: maybe changing gtk engine is the solution. I look for the procedure |
| 21:08.53 | timeoh | there are many differences in the world of virtualization |
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| 21:08.59 | jelly-home | !tell MahdiP about debian live |
| 21:09.05 | yagoo | Texou, i dont use acroread but i noticed this on my system->(acroread-en:10046): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so (and the gui loads up).. |
| 21:09.09 | timeoh | for example paravirtualization |
| 21:09.12 | yagoo | Texou, nways there's 3 alternatives |
| 21:09.40 | Texou | yagoo: I've gnome |
| 21:09.53 | MahdiP | jelly-home : this is channel ? |
| 21:10.16 | yagoo | Texou, http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/main Packages is where i got my acroread (apt-cache policy acroread) |
| 21:10.19 | gewt | well |
| 21:10.22 | gewt | I have the .so |
| 21:10.27 | gewt | now where would I put it for chrome |
| 21:11.13 | jelly-home | MahdiP: #debian-live channel is on a different irc network -- irc.oftc.net |
| 21:11.14 | MahdiP | who can help me for create live debian DVD ? |
| 21:11.31 | Texou | yagoo: so did I (I've this url in sources.list) |
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| 21:11.55 | yagoo | gewt, same place as for mozilla plugins.. (about:plugins in chrome shows up) << but chrome is not stable, i get some kerneloops with chrome |
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| 21:15.07 | yagoo | Texou, are you in a gnome desktop environment? |
| 21:15.21 | Texou | yagoo: yes |
| 21:15.49 | macman_ | hello all i have a question .. i have a video that i just ripped to my hard drive .. the folder is called dvd_video .. i need to change this to the actuall name of the video .. is there anyway to change the volume name ? |
| 21:15.52 | yagoo | Texou, did u try gnome/openbox ? i have no idea if that helps but i'm just guessing at this point.. |
| 21:15.54 | HackeMate | hello, what i need for make a clean installation of kde? and it will be compatible with gnome at all? |
| 21:16.04 | macman_ | i did a file dvd_video.iso .. and it says its a udf filesystem |
| 21:16.16 | Texou | yagoo: no, what's this? |
| 21:16.35 | yagoo | Texou, nmind.. it's fine..(it's a login session type from the gdm login screen) |
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| 21:17.06 | Texou | yagoo: I look |
| 21:17.13 | yagoo | Texou, it's just another window manager under the gnome desktop (openbox instead of the standard metacity) |
| 21:17.23 | yagoo | Texou, but i doubt it'll fix your problem |
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| 21:18.00 | Texou | yagoo: hmm right |
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| 21:18.13 | macman_ | anyone ? |
| 21:18.19 | yagoo | Texou, ia32-libs < is this one installed? |
| 21:18.41 | Texou | I look |
| 21:18.54 | dougmencken | so okay, is there anything that can let me to get full r/w access for non-linux volumes on my local hard? what's going on with non-ext* on gnu/linux? |
| 21:19.18 | Texou | yagoo: it seems, (i A ia32-libs) |
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| 21:19.48 | jelly-home | dougmencken: depends, which filesystems exactly? |
| 21:19.57 | yagoo | dougmencken, try apt install "disk-manager" |
| 21:19.59 | dougmencken | jelly-home, HFS+ |
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| 21:20.27 | yagoo | notes that "disk-manager" is probably the best dam little app for user usb mounts for non-ext filesystems |
| 21:20.29 | jelly-home | dougmencken: dunno. Is hfsutils package installed? |
| 21:20.35 | dougmencken | yep |
| 21:20.54 | jelly-home | dougmencken: and that hfsplus one? |
| 21:21.05 | yagoo | dougmencken, and have a link to it under Sessions (gnome autostart entry) if using gnome |
| 21:21.05 | jelly-home | judd: info hfsplus |
| 21:21.06 | judd | hfsplus (otherosfs, optional): Tools to access HFS+ formatted volumes. Version: 1.0.4-12; Size: 45.7k; Installed: 236k |
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| 21:21.29 | dougmencken | they are read-only; I can't write |
| 21:21.47 | yagoo | dougmencken, have the mods installed first of course |
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| 21:22.20 | yagoo | dougmencken, you can set them to write then |
| 21:22.27 | akav | someone suggested that I should install stable and upgrade to testing after. But if I do that, how do I get ext4? |
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| 21:22.31 | akav | stable only has ext3 |
| 21:22.40 | dougmencken | yagoo, how to and how safe is it |
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| 21:23.58 | yagoo | dougmencken, i dont know about the safety of rw for hfs+ but for ntfs it's safe |
| 21:24.35 | dougmencken | yagoo, btfs is nothing for me, I have no volumes formatted with ntfs |
| 21:24.39 | dougmencken | ntfs* |
| 21:24.57 | yagoo | dougmencken, you trying hfs+ ? |
| 21:25.22 | yagoo | noticed his dam history log |
| 21:25.26 | dougmencken | trying? |
| 21:25.36 | petemc | dougmencken: if you want it rw you need ot diable journaling |
| 21:25.44 | yagoo | I dont think its safe to rw hfs filesystems at this point |
| 21:25.57 | dougmencken | how to disable journaling? |
| 21:26.11 | petemc | disk utility, on your mac |
| 21:26.29 | dougmencken | I have no mac os x more |
| 21:26.39 | petemc | no rw hfsplus for you, then |
| 21:26.51 | dougmencken | oh fine |
| 21:26.54 | petemc | at least, afaik |
| 21:26.54 | yagoo | dougmencken, so just transfer stuff from it then convert the fs to another |
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| 21:27.09 | yagoo | lol |
| 21:27.14 | yagoo | petemc is funny |
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| 21:27.54 | petemc | on weekends, im a grumpy bastd during the week |
| 21:28.01 | yagoo | wonders how petemc is able to get things straight into dougmencken's head ;) |
| 21:28.08 | yagoo | haha |
| 21:28.24 | yagoo | why because you have no valentine's? ;) |
| 21:28.31 | petemc | :) |
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| 21:29.27 | dougmencken | may I just ask, please? and don't call me ork or troll or any your-favorite-fantasy-dude |
| 21:29.28 | macquetero | hi guys |
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| 21:29.50 | yagoo | macquetero, hi |
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| 21:30.32 | macquetero | I need a music player that do not eat all my ram!!! |
| 21:30.51 | dougmencken | why my friends with ntfs volumes can write on them (and of course read from them) but I can't write on hfs+ |
| 21:31.26 | macquetero | or little resources in my old micro |
| 21:31.47 | petemc | dougmencken: because the software that would enable read write access to journaled hfs+ filesystems hasnt been written |
| 21:32.17 | Texou | yagoo: oh I foudd how to change engine, and I tried libclearlooks. Unfortunately still the same error of class64. hard the multilib :) |
| 21:32.23 | petemc | or if it has its not publicly available |
| 21:32.42 | dougmencken | petemc, what can I do? can I help or can you help me? |
| 21:32.43 | yagoo | Texou, change engine? no need to use anything like LD_ did you? |
| 21:32.53 | petemc | dougmencken: you couldnt write to ntfs from linux for a long time |
| 21:33.00 | dougmencken | knows a lot about hfs(+) |
| 21:33.21 | jelly-home | Texou: try the simplest theme you can find (is there a "no theme at all" option?) |
| 21:33.25 | petemc | dougmencken: i guess take a look at the hfsplus kernel module |
| 21:33.28 | Texou | yagoo: no I used the Preferences menu of gnome, themes menu |
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| 21:33.49 | Texou | jelly-home: I check |
| 21:34.00 | dougmencken | petemc, very bad module really ;) sorry, if I wrote it |
| 21:34.07 | dougmencken | if you* |
| 21:34.09 | petemc | eh? |
| 21:34.40 | petemc | dougmencken: im going to take a guess that its a whole lot better than any kernel modules you have written |
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| 21:35.11 | dougmencken | nothing can't be better tahn hello.ko ;) |
| 21:35.14 | stefan | dougmencken: check these out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS_Plus#Linux http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/hfsplus.txt http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/mounting-hfs-volumes-under-linux-521189/#post3144087 |
| 21:35.20 | Texou | jelly-home: doesn't seem |
| 21:35.27 | yagoo | Texou, and that fixed the pdf reader? |
| 21:35.48 | dougmencken | stefan, thanks, diving into |
| 21:35.51 | Texou | yagoo: no :( it says the same thing but with clearlooks now |
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| 21:36.29 | yagoo | Texou, is this pdf documented protected that you cant see in the others? |
| 21:36.48 | stefan | dougmencken: i read a hfsplus partition from a mac drive once only - in read only mode just to recover the data, so i cant help more. i think those links say it. |
| 21:37.03 | Texou | yagoo: no, it's because I can't have it in braille via another reader |
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| 21:37.36 | stefan | dougmencken: if you feel adventurous enable the force, if it was my partition and id still keep it running elsewhere, i risk writing to it. |
| 21:37.36 | dougmencken | stefan, are b*-trees so hard? |
| 21:38.00 | stefan | dougmencken: eh? what do you mean hard? |
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| 21:38.32 | dougmencken | stefan, to grant write to them; are they harder than vfat/msdos/ntfs? |
| 21:39.15 | yagoo | Texou, ver 8.1.7 runs, dunno what ver you trying |
| 21:39.39 | Texou | yagoo: 8.0 |
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| 21:39.53 | yagoo | Texou, well it's 8.1.7 here for me :) |
| 21:40.34 | Texou | yagoo: hmm in lenny? strange (and in your ~/.adobe/acrobat, you have 8.0 or 8.1.7? ) |
| 21:40.49 | jelly-home | judd: versions acroread |
| 21:40.50 | judd | acroread -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 8.1.7-0.1; sid-multimedia: 9.3-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 9.3-0.0 |
| 21:40.52 | yagoo | Texou, apt-cache policy acroread |
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| 21:41.07 | stefan | dougmencken: i dont get you, b-trees are data structures. vfat/msdos/ntfs are filesystems. what do you mean hard? more robust/safe support under linux? |
| 21:41.13 | jelly-home | I wonder... |
| 21:41.16 | jelly-home | judd: versions acroread --arch amd64 |
| 21:41.16 | judd | acroread -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 8.1.7-0.1; sid-multimedia: 9.3-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 9.3-0.0 |
| 21:41.37 | yagoo | judd, what's the name of the app that indexes the repos like that? |
| 21:41.56 | Texou | yagoo: oh right, 8.1.7 is installed (I had read the config directory name but... shouldn't have) |
| 21:42.26 | yagoo | (apt-show-versions looks interesting) |
| 21:42.50 | yagoo | Texou, did you try apt-get update and try upgrading orca? |
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| 21:43.14 | yagoo | is using 5.0.3 debian lenny |
| 21:43.16 | dougmencken | stefan, hfs-es are b*-trees; I don't think vfat/msdos/ntfs have any more "complex" data structures in them; afaik, vfat is name-based linked list |
| 21:43.23 | Texou | yagoo: yes, everything is update |
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| 21:44.20 | dougmencken | but there's fully rw support for vfat/msdos/ntfs |
| 21:44.57 | Texou | anyway reading google I start understanding. I have to find a theme which is 32bits. For instance, install libxmap in a 32bits release. Or another theme but... in 32bits it seems |
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| 21:45.28 | yagoo | Texou, what kernel are you using? |
| 21:45.35 | jelly-home | Texou: ... things would be much simpler if you had a 32bit installation |
| 21:45.43 | yagoo | Texou, "uname -a" |
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| 21:46.05 | Texou | yagoo: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 21:46.35 | stefan | dougmencken: i think the answer to your question is just that the write support for hfsplus in linux hasnt matured to support write in all modes |
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| 21:46.48 | stefan | it's all volunteer effort afaik |
| 21:46.58 | stefan | feel free to implement it :) |
| 21:47.29 | petemc | implementing things is for chumps, much better to pontificate about things in irc |
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| 21:47.44 | bstin | is people.debian.org down? |
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| 21:48.10 | dodecahedron | Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that |
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| 21:48.16 | dougmencken | stefan, okay, but where to talk to fs-addicted guys? |
| 21:48.23 | yagoo | speculates hfs+ developers can be able to tell how much more work is needed, knowing the hfs+ specs are available online |
| 21:48.24 | stefan | petemc: got better answer to that kind of question? |
| 21:48.40 | petemc | stefan: i gave the same answer as you did 10 minutes ago |
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| 21:48.51 | stefan | *blush* |
| 21:49.08 | dougmencken | yep, hfs+ and even hfs+ journaled case-sensitive specs have been published and are avail |
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| 21:49.35 | yagoo | Texou, that's weird because i have 2 machines, one intel and another amd, both 64, and no problem running that acroread thingy |
| 21:50.03 | Texou | yagoo: and you use clearlooks? |
| 21:50.30 | yagoo | Texou, except for that warning output |
| 21:50.47 | yagoo | Texou, i didnt bother fixing that on my desktop.. |
| 21:51.04 | yagoo | Texou, how was htat fixed again? just changing themes? |
| 21:51.12 | Texou | yagoo: can you tell me what says: file /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so ? |
| 21:51.31 | yagoo | Texou, /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 21:51.42 | Texou | yagoo: yes changing theme uses different lib, but all libs are 64. So I need one 32 |
| 21:51.46 | Phasy13 | How to restart a daemon? |
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| 21:52.09 | Texou | yagoo: hmm same thing for me, but for me don't work. Strange... |
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| 21:52.31 | stefan | dougmencken: i'd have to google that up for you, i dont know. http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.32/fs/hfsplus/hfsplus_fs.h http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-hfsplus/ www.google.com sorry :) |
| 21:52.34 | Texou | Phasy13: path/to/daemon restart (as root) |
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| 21:52.45 | petemc | Phasy13: invoke-rc.d daemon restart |
| 21:52.52 | yagoo | Texou, did u aptitude search gtk2-engines? |
| 21:53.05 | Texou | yagoo: no I try |
| 21:53.44 | yagoo | Texou, dpkg -S /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so , gave me an idea of the packagenames to search |
| 21:53.53 | rainy-day | I changed ssh port in /etc/services to 24 and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config also to 24, and rebooted.. but the system is still available at port 22, not 24! What am I missing? |
| 21:53.54 | dougmencken | stefan, ok, thanks |
| 21:54.04 | Texou | I try |
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| 21:55.26 | doc|home | anyone know how I can fix: "Cannot find autoconf. Please check your autoconf installation and the $PHP_AUTOCONF environment variable is set correctly and then rerun this script." ? |
| 21:55.39 | doc|home | I tried setting export PHP_AUTOCONF=/usr/bin/autoconf but it didn't fix it |
| 21:56.08 | jelly-home | !tell doc|home about ask |
| 21:56.27 | jelly-home | !wayttd doc|home |
| 21:56.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, doc|home? |
| 21:56.27 | yagoo | Texou, /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so < do you have this one? (locate clearlooks) |
| 21:56.37 | doc|home | jelly-home: did I forget something? |
| 21:56.50 | Texou | yagoo: I look |
| 21:56.52 | doc|home | jelly-home: I'm trying to install xdebug via pecl, except it gives me that error |
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| 21:57.26 | jelly-home | doc|home: so you're trying to do pecl, that's useful info |
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| 21:57.38 | doc|home | jelly-home: yeah, pecl install xdebug |
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| 21:57.57 | jelly-home | judd: versions php5-xdebug |
| 21:57.58 | judd | php5-xdebug -- lenny: 2.0.3-1; sid: 2.0.5-1; squeeze: 2.0.5-1 |
| 21:58.08 | jelly-home | doc|home: the packaged one is not good enough? |
| 21:58.23 | doc|home | jelly-home: no idea, just following the details given to me for the propel install |
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| 21:58.55 | doc|home | I'll try that one |
| 21:58.58 | jelly-home | doc|home: in general, one should use packaged versions of things unless there's specific reason to do otherwise |
| 21:59.24 | doc|home | jelly-home: xdebug was a dependency of propel, which broke when trying to install the dep |
| 21:59.24 | jelly-home | also I can't help with pecl much :-> |
| 21:59.33 | Texou | yagoo: I have this file. but not sure gnome themes use it |
| 21:59.36 | doc|home | and there doesn't seem to be a propel package I can see :/ |
| 21:59.48 | Texou | yagoo: sure it doesn't (if we see the message) |
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| 22:00.12 | doc|home | hmmm, pecl install propel_generator is still trying to install it's own pecl version of xdebug. |
| 22:00.26 | doc|home | despite the packaged version being installed |
| 22:00.28 | Texou | I see if I can customise |
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| 22:00.40 | yagoo | Texou, somehow this is the one that has to be used |
| 22:01.20 | Texou | yagoo: yes I try seeing |
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| 22:01.52 | doc|home | anyone got any ideas on that problem? :/ |
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| 22:04.33 | Texou | yagoo: well so either I can tell gnome use this of /emule instead of /usr/lib/gtk..., either I copy /emul in /usr/lib/gtk... :) the second solution is less clean :) |
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| 22:06.15 | jp-- | hi guys... how can I cleanly umount the root ext2 partition on my system when I shut it down so I avoid fsck to reboot my system when fixing nodes of the ext2 partition on every startup? thanks! |
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| 22:07.29 | Bushmills | just shutting down shut unmount it duely |
| 22:07.32 | jelly-home | jp--: next time, either shut down cleanly or remount it read-only |
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| 22:07.56 | Bushmills | should |
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| 22:08.37 | jelly-home | jp--: also read about tune2fs -c and -i options. |
| 22:08.43 | Bushmills | and ext3 |
| 22:08.48 | jelly-home | right |
| 22:09.15 | inbi | hello. i installed tablet mousepen. now my mouse works correctly, but my stylus does not. |
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| 22:09.39 | Bushmills | there's also shutdown -f |
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| 22:09.45 | yagoo | Texou, i'm looking into i believe u can make a setting file under :/etc/gtk-2.0/32, i still have to look |
| 22:09.47 | jp-- | I can't use ext3 Bushmills, that's why I'm using ext2, I just did not choose it randomly, I'm not dumb. |
| 22:10.17 | heavenquake | jp--: nobody's calling you dumb, calm down. |
| 22:10.19 | Bushmills | just listing your options.ö- |
| 22:10.41 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 22:10.42 | Bushmills | but as you aren't dump, you found out about them anyway |
| 22:10.47 | jp-- | thanks jelly, gonna play with it. |
| 22:10.51 | Bushmills | dumb |
| 22:11.16 | jelly-home | Bushmills: not dumb != not lazy |
| 22:11.26 | yagoo | Texou, man gtk-query-immodules-2.0 is something i found |
| 22:11.50 | jp-- | you just demonstrated you're dumb yourself, first underestimating my choice of ext2 :) |
| 22:11.59 | stefan | jp--: how do you shut down your system when fsck is *fixing* nodes on every startup? did you ever boot it in single user and made sure it fixed all errors? |
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| 22:12.34 | Bushmills | help yourself. i suppose you don't demand that i apologise to tried to come up with feasable options |
| 22:12.53 | stefan | jp--: if you shut down your system correctly (ie. you dont pull a plug when you leave) the system unmounts the filesystem cleanly for you. |
| 22:13.04 | jp-- | hi stefan, the thing is that fsck checks ext2 partitions on every start up since it's not a journaling filesystem |
| 22:13.21 | yagoo | Texou, i got it fixed |
| 22:13.23 | yagoo | :) |
| 22:13.40 | yagoo | Texou, use GTK_PATH in the acroread script |
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| 22:13.58 | stefan | jp--: but if it's clean there's nothing to check thoroughly afaik |
| 22:14.22 | stefan | jp--: clean - as in cleanly umounted before |
| 22:14.24 | jp-- | stefan, I've tried my parameters with the shutdown command, but almost every 2 boot ups the partition gets fsck with reboot, and then it loads the system. So the thing is that my user is almost always waiting more than the necessary time because of the fsck reboots, to get into the system. |
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| 22:15.04 | jp-- | I obviously just don't plug out the system |
| 22:15.13 | heavenquake | it sounds like an error somewhere. fsck usually don't go nutshit on your ext2-stuff - many people use ext2 on /boot, so it wouldn't make sense if boot on ext2 was slow |
| 22:16.10 | yagoo | Texou, i'm using "export GTK_PATH=/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/" in the scriptfile /usr/bin/acroread (before the first if statement) , this solves my libclearklooks.so problem |
| 22:16.11 | stefan | jp--: that sounds like tune2fs -c 2 ... |
| 22:16.12 | jp-- | hmm. I think that my system might not be cleanly umounting the ext2 partition, and that's serious, because how can I found out how it umounts it? I don't know |
| 22:16.14 | yagoo | Texou, i'm using "export GTK_PATH=/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/" in the scriptfile /usr/bin/acroread (before the first if statement) , this solves my libclearklooks.so problem |
| 22:16.28 | jp-- | yeah, stefanm gonna play with it. |
| 22:16.31 | jp-- | thanks |
| 22:16.32 | stefan | jp--: watch the shutdown sequence |
| 22:16.34 | yagoo | Texou, good luck for getting that braile working :) |
| 22:16.48 | Texou | yagoo: oh thanks, I try now |
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| 22:17.02 | stefan | jp--: but i just cant think of a way that -c param would be set so low for you |
| 22:17.18 | stefan | jp--: why sticking to ext2 if i may ask? |
| 22:17.21 | yagoo | Texou, i'm filing a bugreport to the acroread package.. |
| 22:17.25 | stefan | jp--: flash drive? |
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| 22:17.41 | Texou | yagoo: ah thanks, very cool :) |
| 22:18.09 | yagoo | Texou, but i dunno if it solve your other .so error |
| 22:18.13 | jp-- | stefan, yeah ;) flash drive |
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| 22:18.29 | Texou | yagoo: I try and I tell you |
| 22:18.30 | jp-- | ext3 is *extremely* slow on it, unusable |
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| 22:19.00 | stefan | jp--: did you check btrfs with ssd allocation policy in recent kernels? |
| 22:19.08 | jp-- | i'd use myself ext3 because if journaling |
| 22:19.13 | jp-- | s/if/of |
| 22:19.37 | jp-- | stefan, do you really think it can be as fast as ext3? I don't think so |
| 22:19.49 | jp-- | no, I haven't checked that yet |
| 22:19.52 | jp-- | let me give it a look |
| 22:20.02 | heavenquake | how about ext4? |
| 22:20.12 | jp-- | or reiserfs? |
| 22:20.20 | jp-- | will be it as fast as ext2? |
| 22:20.26 | heavenquake | no idea |
| 22:20.40 | Texou | yagoo: it works!!!! great!!!!!! thanks very much! :) |
| 22:20.41 | heavenquake | I just wonder why people are still talking ext2 vs ext3 without mentioning ext4 :0) |
| 22:20.42 | stefan | jp--: what is your priority? wear leveling or bulk performance? |
| 22:20.49 | yagoo | Texou, good :) |
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| 22:20.52 | jp-- | the things is I know journaling makes them slow, because it requires more writing on the flash drive |
| 22:21.13 | yagoo | Texou, welcome.. hopefully things works out.. :) |
| 22:21.36 | Texou | yagoo: it works perfectly :) |
| 22:21.42 | jp-- | stefan, what's "leveling" and "bulk peformance"? |
| 22:21.56 | jp-- | is gonna learn some things now |
| 22:22.01 | stefan | jp--: but journal helps you when things go wrong. my example - ext2 on a laptop that just froze when i was installing stuff with apt-get. result ? broken /var dir with guess .. dpkg. i could just reinstall/restore from backup. |
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| 22:22.10 | yagoo | Texou, lol.. well you still have to spend time testing it that it doesn't crash etc.. but good it's loading at least* :) |
| 22:22.37 | Texou | yagoo: but the most important is solved now :) |
| 22:22.57 | doc|home | hmmm, pecl install propel_generator is still trying to install it's own pecl version of xdebug. Anyone know how I can get it to see the packaged one? |
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| 22:23.17 | jp-- | I know but on the device I'm running the system ext3 is crazy slow, so slow for writing and reading |
| 22:23.21 | jp-- | I can't use it |
| 22:23.28 | Texou | yagoo: now I can do tests quitely :) |
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| 22:26.19 | stefan | jp--: check this http://markmail.org/message/nnjqocag3hildwyz , the ssd allocator is what im looking forward to in btrfs, essentially it uses the free disk space as cyclic buffer, so it does not rewrite but just appends data |
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| 22:26.49 | stefan | jp--: it's a bit long story, im sure you can find more on the topics on the net |
| 22:26.55 | jp-- | thanks stefan! |
| 22:27.27 | jp-- | by the way, it's now a ssd though, it's just a usb flash drive, I think they're a lot different |
| 22:27.34 | jp-- | s/now/not** |
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| 22:29.00 | inbi | hello, i installed mousepen tablet. now my mouse works correctly, but stylus does not work. |
| 22:29.27 | stefan | jp--: but roughly the same principle, if you write a bit, the erase block needs to be read and written entirely. that's what makes writes so slow. |
| 22:29.58 | stefan | jp--: i dont have ssd. just a parallel ATA to CF converter with CF that can do UDMA. |
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| 22:30.12 | akav | Oh, that's brilliant. I just installed Debian stable, and after selecting the install in Grub I get "Error 21: Selected disk does not exist" |
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| 22:30.26 | jp-- | thanks stefan, I'mma look at it :) (and write down this talk) |
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| 22:31.48 | akav | actually, it says that for EVERY selection. |
| 22:32.21 | inbi | hello, i installed mousepen tablet. now my mouse works correctly, but stylus does not work. |
| 22:33.00 | stefan | jp--: apropos, check the noatime and relatime mount options too. |
| 22:33.14 | jp-- | thanks for your tips! |
| 22:33.16 | jp-- | :) |
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| 22:33.30 | stefan | glad i could help |
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| 22:40.47 | yagoo | Texou, how's it working? I also noticed awhile back and came back to it /etc/gtk-2.0/ im-multipress.conf gtk.immodules.32 , if it has anything to do with fine tuning inputs.. |
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| 22:43.11 | saste | hi all I'm having troubles by upgrading from lenny to squeeze |
| 22:43.24 | yagoo | !squeeze |
| 22:43.24 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 22:43.33 | saste | is this the right channel where to ask for such matters? |
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| 22:44.13 | yagoo | saste, well squeeze is in testing.. so be prepared to break apps and able to fix them and report about them |
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| 22:44.36 | saste | I'm facing a nasty dependancy problem involving udev and linux... |
| 22:44.44 | saste | http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2010-02/msg04323.html |
| 22:44.45 | yagoo | saste, maybe backports |
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| 22:45.02 | saste | mmh please give more info |
| 22:45.13 | saste | what do you mean with "backports"? |
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| 22:45.51 | jelly-home | !tell saste about squeeze udev |
| 22:46.13 | Zer | Is there a way to just blanket-kill all TIME_WAITers on recently closed listening ports? |
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| 22:47.40 | saste | There is a problem with the old kernel installed and udev: Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED |
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| 22:48.15 | jelly-home | saste: you'll have to boot a newer kernel and continue the installation |
| 22:48.33 | saste | do i have to compile it? |
| 22:48.42 | jelly-home | saste: have you read what dpkg told you in the private message? |
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| 22:49.54 | saste | jelly-home: ok i'm reading it now... thanks |
| 22:49.54 | linuxguy2009 | Ok I went into aptitude and removed all but the essential packages. Installed gdm and gnome-core with apt-get. Then gnome-network-admin but I'm not sure how to get my wired connection working. Is this hard to do? |
| 22:50.11 | yagoo | doesn't understand newbiews of newbies irc client apps |
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| 22:50.44 | jelly-home | saste: if it's no there, you can download a newer kernel package manually and install it with dpkg, reboot into it and continue |
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| 22:50.55 | saste | ok now the problem is: how to upgrade kernel and udev at the same time? |
| 22:51.12 | yagoo | lol he didnt even read his pm |
| 22:51.40 | yagoo | goes out for a drink |
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| 22:52.26 | jelly-home | saste: what are the current kernel packages installed or unpacked? pastebin dpkg -l linux-image-\* |grep '^.[ui]' |
| 22:52.56 | linuxguy2009 | I looked at the deps for gnome-desktop-environment and its the only network related package that I saw. Did I miss something or need to do something to get it to work? The network icon doesnt load in the panel at startup either. Not sure why. |
| 22:53.07 | boxxertrumps | so after i updated a month or so ago the wireless connection hasn't worked on my laptop. i tried to downgrade to one of the packages in var/cache/apt but nothing was working |
| 22:53.20 | jelly-home | saste: you can't upgrade them at the same time. You _have to_ boot a newer kernel first, or udev package won't configure |
| 22:53.34 | boxxertrumps | for network-manager and network-manager-kde |
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| 22:54.28 | akav | wow, so somehow the Debian grub config mixed up my HD & my USB flash drive |
| 22:54.50 | saste | jelly-home: just linux 2.6.26-21lenny3 |
| 22:55.03 | saste | that's the linux in lenny |
| 22:55.05 | saste | no other one |
| 22:55.43 | jelly-home | saste: well then. Download a newer one from packages.debian.org, install with dpkg, reboot into it, and continue with upgrade |
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| 22:56.01 | saste | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 22:56.33 | zak_ | hi , i have downloaded , debian dvd i 386, tried to boot it , but it says ,no bootable device was found , any help ? |
| 22:58.32 | saste | another question: do you recommed to download the package from lenny-backports or from squeeze? |
| 22:59.07 | saste | also what exactly do I need to install? will the linux-image suffice or also the headers will be necessary? |
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| 22:59.30 | stefan | zak_: did you setup bios to boot from dvd-rom? can the dvd-rom read the dvd? (e.g. putting dvd in a cd drive) can the dvd drive read other dvds? if so, maybe an incompatible dvd or badly burnt iso (say as a file, not as an image) |
| 22:59.39 | Arrowmaster | dont mix lenny and squeeze |
| 22:59.45 | yagoo | saste, if you're not sure what packages relate to use, aptitude show <packagename> (see debian refcard) |
| 22:59.59 | yagoo | !tell saste about refcard |
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| 23:00.01 | ghankstef | msg member:dpkg guidelines |
| 23:00.07 | ghankstef | "msg member:dpkg guidelines" |
| 23:00.17 | ghankstef | I've failed so far |
| 23:00.46 | zak_ | stefan: i burnt it as an iso actually , it is mounted in my dvd i can read it from my opensuse , but not bootable , tried to install it in virtual machine , but says the same error message , can i check the md5 ? |
| 23:01.01 | saste | arrowmaster: too late - i'm in the limbo between lenny and a failed squeezy installation |
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| 23:01.19 | yagoo | akav, use UUID, i tend to like the disk-manager package |
| 23:01.21 | ghankstef | trouble with a Debian server install - apache ssl works on home page but not any other |
| 23:01.34 | ghankstef | apache2ctl configtest check out |
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| 23:01.45 | ghankstef | why would it work on home page but not others? |
| 23:02.28 | akav | yagoo, Use it for what, when, where? |
| 23:02.29 | stefan | zak_: checking md5 should be the first thing when you download something big off the net |
| 23:02.58 | yagoo | akav, UUID in fstab, i thought you were talking about the root device, i would look there first |
| 23:03.08 | yagoo | akav, ls -la /dev/disk |
| 23:03.15 | akav | yagoo, hard to edit fstab when I can't boot. |
| 23:03.42 | yagoo | akav, so boot with um the rescue cd? |
| 23:03.55 | akav | it's a netbook. I'm booting from USB drive. |
| 23:03.57 | yagoo | akav, or um |
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| 23:04.01 | zak_ | stefan: where can i find this ?i even try to download the torrent iso and paste the previously downloaded file in my torrent download folder so as the torrent can dosnload the so called missing files , but it started seeding ,hence the download is complete |
| 23:04.11 | yagoo | akav, edit the bootline with grub (hit e), but changes are not saved |
| 23:04.33 | akav | Yeah I tried to edit there. But not quite sure what to change it to. |
| 23:04.45 | yagoo | akav, well I dont have much knowledge about booting debian from usb drive.. if it worked before.. then try using UUID |
| 23:04.54 | kcin8 | any know about term/shell colors? as soon as i "su" all colors seem to get disabled |
| 23:05.01 | akav | Actually I think grub got my devices mixed up, changing from (1,5) to (0,5) booted, but then the boot process froze when detecting USB drive. |
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| 23:05.03 | stefan | zak_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 23:05.37 | yagoo | akav, did it work before? |
| 23:05.52 | akav | yagoo, did what work before? |
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| 23:06.14 | yagoo | akav, that setup, do you know where it freezes exactly? |
| 23:06.15 | zak_ | stefan: what one shoud i check ?the 1st ? |
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| 23:06.35 | akav | yagoo, Ubuntu worked on the netbook. First time trying to install Debian on it. |
| 23:06.42 | stefan | zak_: well, which one did you download via torrent? |
| 23:06.54 | saste | ok I added the lenny-backport repo now I'm aptitude-installing a linux 2.6.30 |
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| 23:07.15 | yagoo | !usb install |
| 23:07.16 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 23:07.42 | yagoo | !tell akav install debian |
| 23:08.03 | akav | yagoo: the boot froze when detecting USB flash drive |
| 23:08.09 | jelly-home | saste: doing it with aptitude will likely fail if it tries to configure udev first... but at least it'll be downloaded (in /var/cache/apt/archives/) and you can dpkg -i it from there |
| 23:08.11 | yagoo | !install debian |
| 23:08.12 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 23:08.30 | saste | yes indeed |
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| 23:09.00 | zak_ | stefan: the i386 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ |
| 23:09.06 | zak_ | from http |
| 23:09.26 | yagoo | akav, maybe the cd was burned poorly |
| 23:09.54 | akav | yagoo, Again, no CD. It's the netinstall image grabbed by UNetbootin |
| 23:10.21 | akav | I believe it's a CD image, but booted from flash drive. |
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| 23:10.31 | yagoo | akav, so follow a debian wiki guide.. maybe its a poor install image |
| 23:10.41 | yagoo | akav, i mean what source are you using |
| 23:10.41 | yagoo | ? |
| 23:10.59 | akav | source for the install image? |
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| 23:11.34 | yagoo | akav, did you reference the guide links dpkg gave? |
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| 23:11.46 | saste | guys I installed linux 2.6.30 - now I'm going to reboot then I'll likely fail to get connected again (i'm using a wireless connection so I'll likely have to update the drivers for them...) |
| 23:11.47 | stefan | zak_: do i understand it right that you downloaded debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso using the debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent? if so, the MD5SUM for it is in here: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/MD5SUMS, so just run: md5sum on the file and compare |
| 23:11.59 | saste | thanks for the help!! |
| 23:12.00 | akav | yagoo, I've been looking at the oficial stable i386 install guide. |
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| 23:12.45 | akav | yagoo, though the USB stick method in that guide is far more difficult than others I've seen. |
| 23:13.40 | zak_ | stefan: it is exactely the same :/ |
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| 23:15.23 | zak_ | stefan: it is clearly mounted here http://picpaste.com/debian.jpeg |
| 23:15.25 | akav | I think I see the issue. The installer puts Grub in the master boot record of "your first hard drive". |
| 23:15.41 | akav | but it appears my USB flash drive was selected as the first drive. |
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| 23:16.29 | Reemo | Hey guys, asterisk is reporting that chan_capi isnt loaded because it wasn't compiled with the same flags as asterisk. Both are from squeeze/sid repos. Whats wrong here? |
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| 23:17.59 | stefan | zak_: hmm. and the boot order set up in your / your vm's bios is to boot from cd/dvd *before* hdd? |
| 23:18.39 | zak_ | stefan: yes:/ |
| 23:18.43 | zak_ | strange :/ |
| 23:18.54 | zak_ | could that be an error of burning it ?:/ |
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| 23:20.43 | stefan | zak_: i presumed you burned a bootable iso before and that worked. or is this your first one? |
| 23:21.16 | zak_ | tried opensuse11.2 before :/ |
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| 23:22.32 | stefan | zak_: can you tell your vm to boot off the .iso file, to see if that works? |
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| 23:23.53 | zak_ | it doesn't i tried that twice :/ |
| 23:25.45 | stefan | zak_: that puzzles me. try the businesscard or netinst from here then http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ . takes only 40M and that's enough to get started. the installer will pull the rest of what's needed/wanted from the net. |
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| 23:26.17 | zak_ | stefan: can i get kde in debian from that ? |
| 23:26.27 | adb | sure |
| 23:26.28 | stefan | zak_: you can get anything. |
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| 23:26.46 | zak_ | good then :) |
| 23:26.52 | adb | zak_, kde > 4.4 ? |
| 23:27.14 | stefan | zak_: the kde that ships with debian stable that is (adb ;)) |
| 23:27.42 | zak_ | adb: yes i already have it here on opensuse ,wanan try it on debian :) |
| 23:27.43 | adb | stefan, he sure want kde 4.4 , heh |
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| 23:27.54 | zak_ | stefan: adb?:) |
| 23:28.26 | zak_ | never tried on other distro apart from opensuse |
| 23:29.04 | stefan | zak_: uff only kde 3.5 in stable release now |
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| 23:29.21 | akav | zak_, I'm interested in trying KDE 4.4 too, but it's not in Debian yet, even unstable. |
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| 23:30.16 | stefan | zak_: maybe kubuntu then http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4 |
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| 23:35.46 | boxxertrumps | oh, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567473 |
| 23:35.47 | boxxertrumps | neat |
| 23:36.12 | boxxertrumps | well, not neat, but it's good this is only in unstable |
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| 23:37.48 | boxxertrumps | so, about that generic sports team. They are terrible. |
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| 23:38.17 | cast | i feel they lack focus |
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| 23:40.59 | jelly-home | I hope this season they're going to score more points. |
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| 23:51.13 | zak_ | hummm installation pretty fast compared to opensuse11.2 |
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