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| 00:02.29 | syslq78 | What is cool streaming server? |
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| 00:04.09 | nsadmin | something that's cool at least |
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| 00:04.34 | aporetic | okay, dumb question time - i'm trying to get a configuration file for a window manager working and the theme calls for 'monospace 6.5' in one of the font selections -- does xft know to turn that into any font fitting the bill, or is there a specific font i need to be installing? |
| 00:04.42 | gauge | hey. I just connected my new 1TB hard drive! fdisk sees it and things are humming smoothly. Whats the next step? use cfdisk to create a partition? |
| 00:05.10 | syslq78 | ga_bash, or fdisk or parted |
| 00:05.23 | syslq78 | gauge, yes |
| 00:05.29 | Tramp | or sell it on ebay? how should we know, what you want to do? |
| 00:05.31 | gauge | wicked. |
| 00:05.34 | nsadmin | make sure it has a partition table |
| 00:06.14 | syslq78 | Tramp, lol |
| 00:06.26 | nsadmin | maybe it's partitioned already (and possibly formatted) and if so maybe you don't want that partition layout |
| 00:06.34 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.02 | streuner | surely its partiton already, prolly with VFAT |
| 00:07.19 | streuner | if its a USB-HD |
| 00:07.28 | gauge | nah. fdisk says it's there, but w/o a part. table. |
| 00:07.36 | nsadmin | what do you want to use the drive for |
| 00:07.37 | gauge | *partition |
| 00:07.44 | gauge | storage. |
| 00:07.54 | amphi | gauge: you could just put a fs on the entire device |
| 00:08.08 | amphi | with no partiton table |
| 00:08.09 | gauge | I'm thinking yeah, just one big ext4 partition. |
| 00:08.10 | nsadmin | hmm, I would have thought to use a modem for storage... OF COURSE it's for storage :P |
| 00:08.27 | nsadmin | maybe you want to try lvm |
| 00:08.40 | gauge | lvm? |
| 00:08.51 | streuner | 1TB? thats lot of pr0n :-P |
| 00:08.57 | gauge | (i was beign tounge-in-cheek to Tramp 's comment btw) |
| 00:09.03 | gauge | streuner: FLAC |
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| 00:09.17 | nsadmin | it's a way to have lots of partitionlike things and easily add storage to them later |
| 00:09.35 | gauge | neato. I just googled it. Thanks. |
| 00:09.43 | nsadmin | btw, is there a defragger for lvm lvs? |
| 00:09.49 | streuner | hm |
| 00:10.44 | nsadmin | gauge: so you're going to -add- this drive to your existing drives? not -replace-? |
| 00:11.05 | nsadmin | and, are you thinking about booting from it? |
| 00:11.51 | streuner | its surely helpful to read a Partition-HOWTO |
| 00:12.11 | gauge | nsadmin: oui |
| 00:12.19 | gauge | this is drive #3 for me |
| 00:12.30 | gauge | nsadmin: NOt booting fro mit. |
| 00:12.43 | streuner | well, keep in mind it uses energie |
| 00:12.49 | streuner | every single HD |
| 00:13.13 | gauge | I'm aware. |
| 00:13.28 | gauge | I'm be removing one of them latter, once things are moved over. |
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| 00:13.48 | streuner | good, because it counts if you have it 24/7 on |
| 00:14.03 | nsadmin | gauge so if you want to do lvm, you'd make one or more partitions (your choice) then do pvcreate on it/them |
| 00:15.03 | gauge | I'm not thinking of lvm this tiem around. I have a stable system atm, and I think this'll just be added on as one big solid partion. keep things simple, right? |
| 00:15.35 | gauge | parted is a little intense for me, to make the partition, does debian have a gui tool perhaps? |
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| 00:15.54 | nsadmin | just use fdisk |
| 00:16.01 | jdeka | gauge: gparted is the gui equivalent |
| 00:16.21 | gauge | merci |
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| 00:17.03 | sepult | which parts, for login into kde through kdm are required ? |
| 00:17.15 | sepult | is it su ? sudo ? pam ? |
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| 00:19.36 | Vasistha | sepult: I don't understand your question. |
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| 00:19.46 | Vasistha | !wayttd sepult |
| 00:19.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sepult? |
| 00:20.03 | gauge | hm. gparted is alertign me that it will create a partition table, and that the defualt is ms-dos. I only have one OS, debian. Do I go w/ the defualt, or chose one of the alternatives? |
| 00:20.24 | sepult | Vasishta: i think i mingled my libs here |
| 00:20.26 | sepult | shite |
| 00:20.48 | streuner | sepult: how did you manage this? |
| 00:21.25 | sepult | you don't ask and i don't tell, don't know .... |
| 00:21.25 | streuner | are you sure its not a hardware-issue or FS-issue? |
| 00:21.36 | morphix | gauge: this is the default type. md-dos type is for PCs (x86) |
| 00:21.38 | Vasistha | gauge: what are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 00:21.41 | sepult | nope, hardware is all ok, i can login from console |
| 00:21.46 | sepult | just not into kde |
| 00:21.50 | sepult | from kdm |
| 00:21.51 | sepult | heh |
| 00:21.57 | streuner | sepult: How about to re-install KDE? |
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| 00:23.03 | gauge | I added in a brand new Hard drive. it is a suplicant drive for storage it is sdb. my OS is on sda. I'd liek to make one parge partition on my new drive (and then laaaater, share it using nfs). |
| 00:23.32 | Vasistha | gauge: so you have a new drive and you want to create one big new partition on it. I would use cfdisk, not parted |
| 00:23.39 | streuner | sepult: sid? |
| 00:23.48 | scorphus | hello, sorry if I'm being lazy or blind but, how can I tell the actual status of the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560044 ? Where does it reads "open", "closed" etc? |
| 00:24.00 | Vasistha | gauge: parted is designed for editing existing partitions... cfdisk is a much more intuitive tool for what you're trying to do |
| 00:24.08 | scorphus | s/reads/read sorry |
| 00:24.09 | streuner | !dbugs 560044 |
| 00:24.14 | dpkg | #560044:S[sun-java6-jdk] net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 breaks java networking (); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:15:02 UTC [562923] |
| 00:24.14 | gauge | Vasistha: thanks |
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| 00:25.42 | scorphus | to me, looks like it's open |
| 00:25.52 | scorphus | but I cant be sure |
| 00:26.06 | scorphus | I'm darn too used to Trac |
| 00:27.01 | streuner | scorphus: just list the bugs of the package itself, and search for the number |
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| 00:27.23 | streuner | website will show you, its closed open or whatever then |
| 00:28.17 | streuner | Outstanding bugs -- Serious (policy violations or makes package unfit for release); Unclassified (1 bug) |
| 00:28.24 | scorphus | yeah, I see it |
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| 00:28.44 | scorphus | just fine, thanks streuner |
| 00:28.52 | streuner | np |
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| 00:33.06 | gh0st3r | starting to learn mail servers on linux, swapped my setup from Mbox format to Maildir format, but now when i log in as a user with new mail and run the 'mail' command, ti says no new mail... ideas? |
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| 00:39.40 | nsadmin | your mail client needs to understand maildir |
| 00:40.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:42.00 | oggei | mailutils seems to support maildir |
| 00:43.40 | stevefed5291 | hey guys. I'm having a problem with the network-manager. It's not there. This is a fresh install, and when I try to apt-get it I get a bunch of dependency issues. Anybody run into this before? |
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| 00:45.42 | Brack10 | oggei: still having trouble with apt proxy. Any ideas? |
| 00:45.55 | oggei | debug proxy side |
| 00:46.40 | oggei | (you have problem with apt and proxies, not with apt proxy, or apt-proxy, for sake of helpdesking here :P) |
| 00:46.50 | Brack10 | Right |
| 00:46.51 | Brack10 | sorry |
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| 00:50.56 | gh0st3r | nsadmin, how do i make it understand? |
| 00:51.00 | gh0st3r | its just the mail command on linux? |
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| 00:53.49 | jdeka | gh0st3r: You'll need to use a different mail client; pine and mutt are examples. |
| 00:53.57 | gh0st3r | jdeka, thanks :) |
| 00:53.59 | gauge | so, it seems that everything formated correctly. But I'd liek to verify that my new partition is really ext3, 'fdisk -l' oly shows that the partition is 'linux'. |
| 00:54.57 | jdeka | gh0st3r: Actually, scratch pine. Maildir support isn't official. |
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| 00:55.36 | gh0st3r | jdeka so mutt only? |
| 00:56.24 | Brack10 | oggei: proxy access logs say it's not sending any authentication info |
| 00:56.43 | jdeka | gh0st3r: That's what I know of, though I'm sure there are others. |
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| 00:58.07 | gh0st3r | jdeka, just need one :) |
| 00:58.21 | gh0st3r | jdeka, no one in #postfix would help me, so you are officially a legend :) |
| 00:58.37 | jdeka | heh, thanks |
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| 00:59.38 | gh0st3r | with Debian 5, it doesnt contain any firewalls by default does it? |
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| 01:00.03 | AimHere | It'll probably have iptables already |
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| 01:00.55 | gh0st3r | ive got courier-pop installed, and running, i can do a 'telnet localhost 110' and it connects but not 'telnet <its ip> 110'... the service is started and listening on "IPADDRESS=0" (all ip addresses), but when i nmap it, it says "filtered" as the status of port 110 |
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| 01:01.33 | efaistos | http://www.pure-organic-baby-food.co.uk/ # using debian logo for some baby food ;) |
| 01:01.48 | gh0st3r | vanilla install of debian 5 and no iptables chains, iptables -L showsn othing |
| 01:02.32 | gh0st3r | efaistos, samestyle but different :p |
| 01:02.44 | petemc | gh0st3r: connected via a switch or? |
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| 01:03.07 | gh0st3r | petemc, not a switch, vmware virtual switch |
| 01:03.20 | gh0st3r | no ACL's, firewalls or anything on the switch |
| 01:03.29 | petemc | well, something is filtering it |
| 01:03.31 | gh0st3r | they are connected via switch, no gateways or anything in the way |
| 01:03.41 | efaistos | :p |
| 01:04.18 | gh0st3r | vanilla install of debian, with just openssh-server, postfix, courier-imap and courier-pop3 installed? any ideas on what could be filtering them? |
| 01:04.21 | gh0st3r | any default things? |
| 01:04.43 | petemc | its unlikely to be anything on the debian side |
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| 01:06.33 | gh0st3r | might try installing dovecot pop3 and see what happens |
| 01:06.37 | gh0st3r | thanks for the help anyway guys :) |
| 01:07.26 | oggei | Brack10: dunno, try to sniff |
| 01:07.38 | oggei | if on another machine that works, dunno |
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| 01:08.22 | Brack10 | this is such a wtfburger issue |
| 01:08.43 | Brack10 | I'm nothing without APT |
| 01:09.28 | oggei | you still have apt-zip :PP |
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| 01:11.40 | Brack10 | I know what's going to happen |
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| 01:12.06 | Brack10 | I'm going to dump the traffic, look at the http packet and it's going to say "http://proxy:80 Problem?" |
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| 01:13.04 | Brack10 | I've read a million forum posts and every single one is something like "oops forgot the backslash" or "Just needed to add quotes!" |
| 01:13.07 | Brack10 | *sigh* |
| 01:13.59 | tcp1 | Hi. I have an IRC bot installed on a debian system. I see the pid (it's a perl process) but on ps it appears as a forged name. lsof didn't help, /proc/$PID shows only perl, strace -p $PID shows only current traffic but not the name and location of script. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 01:16.16 | gauge | so I was wonderign is some one could give me a small hand w/ my fstab. Now that I've made my ext3 partition, I'd like it read and readwritable. |
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| 01:16.52 | gauge | my current fstab: http://pastebin.com/m46ca8691 |
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| 01:19.52 | jdeka | You'd want something that looks like this: |
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| 01:20.30 | tongueroo | does a restart need to happen for a change in timezone in /etc/localtime to take effect |
| 01:20.30 | tongueroo | ? |
| 01:21.10 | jdeka | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/external ext3 noauto,user,rw 0 1 |
| 01:21.21 | gauge | merci |
| 01:21.24 | jdeka | assuming your external shows up as /dev/hdb1 |
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| 01:21.44 | gauge | well sdb1, so yeah more or less. |
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| 01:24.12 | jdeka | Check out 'man fstab' for what the fields mean and 'man mount' for the options you can give where I put noauto,user,rw |
| 01:24.17 | dbbolton | what is the best (as safest/most reliable) means of copying a debian installtion from one hard drive to another? |
| 01:25.32 | Tramp | !tell dbbolton -about aptitude clone |
| 01:25.51 | jdeka | gauge: Do you have any other external drives you'll be using on that machine? |
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| 01:26.13 | dbbolton | Tramp i want all configuration files. |
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| 01:27.14 | Tramp | dbbolton: yes. Check the additional links in that factoid (things to backup). Cloning an installation is always tricky. |
| 01:27.37 | jelly-home | dbbolton: a dumb way is to dd the whole drive to a newer one, then resize partitions |
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| 01:27.50 | infid | what's the diff between pidof and pgrep, other than pgrep puts each pid on newlines? |
| 01:27.57 | dbbolton | maybe i should just save my configs in a tarball by hand. |
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| 01:28.21 | Tramp | clone on FS-level or clone on device-level. Both is tricky. |
| 01:28.40 | jelly-home | not _that_ tricky |
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| 01:30.01 | Tramp | it's usual not _that_ tricky if you have a working process for it. |
| 01:30.01 | gauge | jdeka: No, and Ishould have mentioned, this is an internal sata drive bro. |
| 01:30.04 | jelly-home | one needs to know how to partition and format filesystems, copy the data and fix boot loaders |
| 01:31.00 | jelly-home | does it from scratch every time on his hom machine... this debian install survived 4-5 hardware platforms |
| 01:31.08 | jdeka | gauge: Oh, then you'll likely want to set the auto flag in your fstab. |
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| 01:32.34 | rzeka | j php |
| 01:34.39 | gauge | jdeka: tell me more sir. |
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| 01:39.08 | rzeka | What does \xFF mean sent to server (eg. game server) via socket? |
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| 01:39.37 | zinx | rzeka: that depends entirely on the server, there is no generic meaning |
| 01:39.38 | squisher | Hi, does anyone know if/how I can switch languages for a program which I compiled from source but haven't yet installed? |
| 01:39.56 | squisher | Just setting LANG doesn't actually work, I suppose because it can't find the po files. There must be a way to tell it where to look... |
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| 01:41.56 | jdeka | gauge: Where I have 'noauto', you'll want 'auto' instead so that it mounts on boot (or any time you run 'mount -a') |
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| 01:42.09 | gauge | merci |
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| 01:42.48 | gauge | jdeka: You wouldn't be well versed w/ making this an nfs share as well would you? |
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| 01:45.56 | neohaven | Is there a channel specific to the sparc port of debian? |
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| 01:46.28 | jdeka | gauge: Not really, but this guide for Ubuntu should get you pointed in the right direction: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo |
| 01:46.32 | squisher | gauge, what do you want to do exactly? Export an nfs share? |
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| 01:48.20 | gauge | yup |
| 01:48.32 | gauge | jdeka: thanks again! |
| 01:48.55 | jdeka | you're welcome |
| 01:49.03 | squisher | man exports for the format, then edit /etc/exports, make sure you have a user or a kernel nfs server installed and in the end exportfs -a |
| 01:49.47 | rzeka | Ok. I am trying to get Q3 server status. While there's linux server version, everything works fine. But when the server's is run @ windows, nothing comes back. I send this to the server: \xFF\xFF\xFF\xFFgetstatus\n. I think here's the problem but there's no way I know how to "decode" this string and try to replace \xFF with any other sign when server is @ win |
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| 01:53.19 | careta | hey guys is debian-multimedia.org safe? |
| 01:53.54 | macrobat | r |
| 01:53.55 | kk47 | careta: safe as in pizza or safe as in beer ? |
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| 01:54.28 | careta | kk47, safe as in "i can trust it to install packages in my computer and not malicious software" |
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| 01:55.13 | squisher | careta, afaik yes, but then again, how can you trust me? :-P |
| 01:55.42 | careta | i can make a safe assumption based on the number of users of this channel who tell me its safe |
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| 01:56.29 | kk47 | careta: but what if the channel was hijacked and every response you are getting is really from one malicious user? |
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| 01:56.50 | neohaven | kk47: unlikely. |
| 01:57.18 | kk47 | just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean your not after me |
| 01:57.21 | squisher | careta, I know debian-mm has been around for a long time. My only remark is that you'll have a hard time filing multimedia bugs with debian.org if you have deb-mm packages installed |
| 01:57.30 | Azore | Hi, I have a dell 1390 on debian squeeze, i cant get my wifi going, i tried ndiswrapper i get this error bcmwl5 : driver installed |
| 01:57.31 | Azore | device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: ssb) |
| 01:57.49 | Azore | Can some please help me, thanks in advance |
| 01:57.53 | careta | kk47, im not that paranoid. you know that in security you always have to trust something, if not even your hardware |
| 01:58.59 | kk47 | heh, I trust if the power button is off then the system might be secure |
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| 01:59.07 | dvs | Azore: wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 01:59.50 | careta | you are too paranoid my friend, that causes brain damage in the long run |
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| 02:00.06 | neohaven | kk47: toasters that are shut down can grow arms and stab you in the face. xkcd being the source for that. |
| 02:01.09 | kk47 | nehaven: and I've removed all toasters from my home. I figure that the neighbors screams will give me enough time to prepare for when toasters attack |
| 02:01.33 | DogBoy | jeez, now I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping |
| 02:01.33 | zzt | hello |
| 02:01.36 | Azore | dvs that doesnot answer my question |
| 02:01.38 | zzt | zzt here |
| 02:02.00 | dvs | Azore: if you have a Broadcom, it's probably the answer |
| 02:02.10 | zzt | im having a serious problem with my linux workstation |
| 02:03.23 | dvs | \ |
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| 02:03.28 | dvs | oops |
| 02:04.05 | neohaven | kk47: :P |
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| 02:06.11 | Azore | dvs, when i install the wl module, then my eth0 doesnt work ,it one or the other strage |
| 02:06.12 | Azore | strange* |
| 02:07.01 | Amarande | IRQ conflict? |
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| 02:07.11 | dvs | Azore: they are two separate drivers: b43 and wl. The wl driver is straight from Broadcom so it is more likely to work. |
| 02:07.34 | zzt | hello? |
| 02:07.39 | neohaven | I get a kernel panic booting the sparc installer |
| 02:07.41 | zzt | is there anyone here who can help me |
| 02:07.53 | zzt | i am having a serious problem with my debian workstation |
| 02:08.01 | Amarande | zzt: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 02:08.04 | kiaas_ | zzt, what problem, blown caps? |
| 02:08.06 | Azore | dvs i know...but when my wifi work my eth0 doesnt work why is that |
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| 02:08.18 | zzt | my blt drive just went awol and i've got this big project due tomorrow |
| 02:08.20 | kk47 | kiaas_: ahhh, that's my problem |
| 02:08.31 | zzt | and if i dont get this fixed my boss is gonna make me commit hari kari |
| 02:09.34 | Amarande | zzt, hari kari is not an authorised use of company time :) you'll get fired for that |
| 02:09.48 | zzt | didn't read |
| 02:09.56 | nsadmin | gives hari kari a har cut |
| 02:10.17 | zzt | here i have an idea |
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| 02:10.46 | zzt | i will cat /dev/video to irssi.pid |
| 02:10.50 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.50 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.50 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.50 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:11.03 | kk47 | hmmm, If I were to commit hari kari, I'm not sure if I would use cvs, svn, or git |
| 02:11.12 | gauge | ^ha |
| 02:11.14 | ravenbird | ha is High Applicanse |
| 02:11.16 | zzt | unfunny |
| 02:11.33 | fIReun | how do get aptitude to stop updating man-db triggers? I rarely use man, so I would prefer the time back |
| 02:11.34 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.34 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.34 | zzt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:11.45 | nsadmin | umm what's the flodding about |
| 02:11.59 | squisher | zzt, don't paste stuff into the channel |
| 02:12.04 | zzt | DCC SEND jsofsjfsaogsjgsoghoamwrgai 0 0 0\a |
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| 02:12.26 | kk47 | some form of Tourette syndrom |
| 02:12.28 | fIReun | yes, dr. bishop doesnt like it |
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| 02:12.39 | Amarande | I think he catted /dev/video to irc |
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| 02:13.00 | dvs | Azore: Oh. When the wireless works, the wired doesn't work. and vica versa. |
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| 02:13.45 | kk47 | so why didn't we see ascii art of some geek in his boxers if he was catting /dev/video ? |
| 02:13.56 | kk47 | I would think that would just work |
| 02:14.15 | Amarande | kk47: do we see art on irc if you cat a jpeg file? |
| 02:14.33 | squisher | Amarande, probably depends on the irc client :-P |
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| 02:14.46 | Tramp | !ops zzt Channel CTCP request, probably malicious |
| 02:14.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: zzt Channel CTCP request, probably malicious |
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| 02:14.57 | kk47 | Amarande: I would think that would just work too |
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| 02:16.02 | Amarande | that's weird, how did dpkg end up with the sad face in that list of ops? |
| 02:16.02 | kk47 | maybe only if your using bitchx from debian-multimedia.org though |
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| 02:16.57 | jelly-home | Amarande: that's a nickname |
| 02:17.01 | icemonk | wierd |
| 02:17.52 | neohaven | ooh |
| 02:17.55 | neohaven | K-line. |
| 02:17.57 | icemonk | so I ask again -- is there some way to disable aptitude's man-db trigger processing? |
| 02:18.11 | dvs | Who is this Kline? ;-) |
| 02:18.27 | Amarande | heh, do any ircd these days still use traditional K: lines, or did they all switch to the bind style .conf? |
| 02:19.09 | squisher | icemonk, my guess is you could de-install all man-related packages.... |
| 02:19.28 | Tramp | tx |
| 02:20.20 | icemonk | squisher: hmm |
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| 02:20.38 | icemonk | squisher: but most packages come with man pages |
| 02:20.49 | icemonk | (which ends up taking up a HUGE amount of space) |
| 02:21.39 | squisher | that I don't think you can change |
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| 02:23.19 | Amarande | icemonk, you are supposed to install documentation with your programs :S |
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| 02:23.40 | Amarande | this prevents you from having to ask #debian next week something that you could have read in the man page had you chosen to install said page :) |
| 02:24.15 | squisher | hmm, since when does cron run apt-get update for me? |
| 02:24.40 | fIReun | Amarande: usually <app name> -h gives me everything I need, otherwise there's the interweb |
| 02:24.48 | fIReun | Amarande: I rarely if at all use man anymore |
| 02:25.31 | fIReun | Amarande: btw, I "man aptitude"and "man man-db"to find out if they mentioned the "trigger"processing --nada |
| 02:25.49 | fIReun | and the interweb had nothing useful, so here I is. |
| 02:26.03 | Bob_Dole | I love man pages..but I hate that they often don't say exactly how to use the options it gives, and they have to be used in a way different than program -option/argument xx |
| 02:26.41 | mike-burns | How do I enable KMS in squeeze? Kernel 2.6.30. |
| 02:27.09 | Zer | KSM? |
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| 02:27.58 | fIReun | mike-burns: squeeze should have 2.6.32 |
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| 02:28.20 | Zer | The enable is in /sys/kernel/mm IIRC |
| 02:28.27 | mike-burns | Well I have 2.6.30 from when I was on lenny+bpo, and haven't upgraded. Is that an issue? |
| 02:28.28 | fIReun | mike-burns: and its supposed to be a boot command option at the moment since its not mainline yet |
| 02:28.33 | mike-burns | Ah OK. |
| 02:28.37 | Zer | echo 1 > /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run |
| 02:28.53 | mike-burns | Zer: KMS = Kernel Mode Setting. Some sort of video thing. |
| 02:28.56 | Zer | ...oh |
| 02:28.58 | fIReun | mike-burns: it may not be in 2.6.30, and if it is, dated (KMS is moving fast) |
| 02:29.21 | fIReun | mike-burns: for what video card? |
| 02:29.33 | mike-burns | fIReun: Radeon 3650. |
| 02:29.42 | fIReun | mike-burns: you'll get more help for that in #radeon then |
| 02:29.53 | fIReun | there are lots of things to do to really get the most from it. |
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| 02:30.01 | mike-burns | Cool. I'll also upgrade the kernel and look into the boot options. |
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| 02:30.04 | fIReun | it is *not* mainline in any distros yet |
| 02:30.23 | fIReun | mike-burns: in fact, I couldnt get my old radeon to work with squeeze, moving to sid to see if I can find any resolution. |
| 02:30.32 | mike-burns | Well I'm using an ati driver from git, so, I'm cool with not being mainline. |
| 02:30.39 | fIReun | waves mike-burns over to #radeon |
| 02:30.53 | neohaven | When trying to install Debian latest on a sparc, I get this error right after a few screens (never the same number of screens) http://pastebin.com/m1dcfbddc |
| 02:30.56 | mike-burns | Going there soon. Thanks for the help. |
| 02:30.57 | neohaven | Any ideas? |
| 02:31.10 | fIReun | mike-burns: I'm there too. |
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| 02:32.32 | aoeu | when i play hd video in youtube with the latest flash plugin, the delta frame parts of the playback are tinted pink, but the keyframes come in clear. what might be wrong? would using a different video card fix this? |
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| 02:37.38 | squisher | aoeu, well, it's flash. Closed source. Isn't it still in beta too? |
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| 02:38.27 | aoeu | version 10 is. version 10 has hardware acceleration, but 9 doesn't. hd video in 9 is slow, but the colors are right. |
| 02:38.56 | squisher | Hmm, my apt-get update seems to be stuck on checking /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages.decomp |
| 02:39.02 | squisher | weird. |
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| 02:40.50 | Amarande | squisher, try a different mirror? |
| 02:41.22 | squisher | Amarande, hm, yeah. It sucks that the cron job doesn't have a log file. I'd like to see it's just that |
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| 02:57.05 | derpityderp | hey folks, i'm having trouble getting sed to evaluate the variable in a line such as: sed -i 's/\/usr\/sbin/\/foo/$bar/' in this case, bar=/usr/sbin/bar |
| 02:57.13 | amitz | is "lo" entry in /etc/network/interfaces needed? |
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| 02:57.17 | CCord221 | HI i am having trouble getting my eth0 and wifi going broadcom 440x ethernet and dell 1390 wlan0 |
| 02:57.51 | beardy | amitz: Why do you think it's there? The answer is because it is needed. |
| 02:58.04 | epixoip | derpityderp: the shell won't expand the var because its wrapped in single quotes. |
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| 03:00.23 | epixoip | derpityderp: you also have a second problem of $bar containing unescaped slashes, so it'd be best to do something like sed "s@/usr/sbin/foo@$bar@" |
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| 03:01.50 | derpityderp | epixoip: aha, "$bar containing unescaped slashes". That's what has been killing me. |
| 03:01.59 | derpityderp | thank you much! |
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| 03:02.10 | epixoip | that and you were using single quotes, yeah :) |
| 03:02.19 | gurugeek | Anyone using wifidog? |
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| 03:06.31 | CCord221 | how do i turn off advanced power management permanently? |
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| 03:07.22 | Amarande | GAH this dice game debian came with is way too addicting |
| 03:08.26 | amitz | beardy: thanks |
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| 03:09.23 | CCord221 | how do i turn off advanced power management permanently? |
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| 03:11.06 | amitz | CCord221: maybe not install the ACPI or something along that line. |
| 03:11.47 | CCord221 | well...how do i turn off acpi? |
| 03:12.35 | amitz | apt-get remove acpi or something like that. Please ask for second opinion. |
| 03:12.50 | Amarande | how do I deal with tali addiction? :| |
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| 03:13.08 | amitz | uninstall debian. |
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| 03:17.04 | kc8pxy | i'm trying to get cups running so i can configure a network printer via my browser (system has no gui), but even after invoking cups, i get no web interface.. what am i failing to do? |
| 03:17.38 | nooper | kc8pxy: does netstat show cups listening on a port? |
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| 03:19.33 | CCord221 | how do i make a live copy of my debian? |
| 03:19.45 | squisher | kc8pxy, I think by default cups only listens on localhost |
| 03:20.10 | kc8pxy | nooper: nope. how do i fix that? |
| 03:20.13 | squisher | you need to enable it on other interfaces... you can edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf I believe. There's probably another way, but I don't know it :) |
| 03:20.39 | squisher | Look for the "Listen" directive |
| 03:21.01 | nooper | kc8pxy: does ps aux show cups is running? |
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| 03:24.29 | kc8pxy | nooper: nope.. |
| 03:25.13 | kc8pxy | nooper: doh.. i didn't fully read that. |
| 03:25.16 | kc8pxy | one sec. |
| 03:25.38 | kc8pxy | squisher: so i should cheange that in the config? |
| 03:26.12 | kc8pxy | nooper: yes.. cupsd is running |
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| 03:31.20 | squisher | kc8pxy, yeah. I think by default it's only listening on localhost |
| 03:31.44 | kc8pxy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:31.53 | squisher | you either change the Listen line to 0.0.0.0:631 |
| 03:31.58 | squisher | or you add your external ip |
| 03:32.01 | kc8pxy | ok |
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| 03:32.03 | squisher | (on a new line) |
| 03:32.14 | Amarande | you really shouldn't make cups's http interface network accessible though :S |
| 03:32.17 | Amarande | it doesn't look very secure |
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| 03:33.12 | kc8pxy | Amarande: true, but this machine is behind a strict firwall on the gateway, and VPN members can get it from outside. |
| 03:33.23 | mike-burns | What could possibly go wrong. |
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| 03:37.21 | kc8pxy | mike-burns: someone could hijack the cups and have me printing to their printer, offsite, if they were clever.. not much of a concern here. |
| 03:38.24 | kc8pxy | still not showing in netstat.. what am i doing terrible? |
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| 03:45.37 | squisher | kc8pxy, did you restart cups? If so, check its log file for errors |
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| 03:55.21 | sanmarcos | are there any tips to saving hard disk space in debian?, i.e what should I delete, etc? |
| 03:57.55 | streuner_ | well, DE's uses lots of spaces |
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| 04:01.09 | tuv | a standard base install fits comportablly in a 2GB SD card |
| 04:01.18 | tuv | comfortably* |
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| 04:04.23 | Amarande | saving hard disk space? I don't even use 20% of any of my partitions, and only two go above 15% |
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| 04:08.58 | sanmarcos | Amarande: well I only have 10gb |
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| 04:09.10 | sanmarcos | Amarande: so, every gb matters |
| 04:09.25 | sanmarcos | streuner_: what are DE's? |
| 04:11.16 | squisher | desktop environments |
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| 04:11.25 | sanmarcos | ah, its a server, so no issue here |
| 04:11.30 | infid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.31 | squisher | also google for it, there's a deb cleaner. |
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| 04:13.09 | karlpinc | sanmarcos: aptitude clean every so often. |
| 04:14.58 | morphix | hmm |
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| 04:19.37 | karlpinc | sanmarcos: You can also tweak the logrotate configs -- if it really has to come to that. |
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| 04:20.30 | sanmarcos | karlpinc: good tip |
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| 04:26.30 | aporetic | okay, dumb question time - i'm trying to get a configuration file for a window manager working and the theme calls for 'monospace 6.5' in one of the font selections -- does xft know to turn that into any font fitting the bill, or is there a specific font i need to be installing? |
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| 04:32.24 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:32.30 | Amarande | what was the command to find which .deb contains what? |
| 04:32.48 | squisher | dpkg -L lists package content |
| 04:32.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching lists package content |
| 04:33.06 | Amarande | I mean, the one to find out which .deb you need to install to get something in particular |
| 04:33.09 | squisher | and dpkg -S <file> searches for packages which own <file> |
| 04:33.16 | squisher | apt-file? |
| 04:33.39 | Amarande | specifically, which TeX package on lenny provides fontinst.sty |
| 04:33.44 | Amarande | which apparently I don't have installed |
| 04:33.53 | squisher | yeah, apt-file or search http://packages.debian.org |
| 04:34.24 | squisher | guesses the bot can too, but he doesn't know how |
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| 04:35.31 | Amarande | yup, apt-file for the win |
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| 04:53.52 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:53.56 | lkthomas | macos got spaces |
| 04:54.09 | lkthomas | does debian got something close enough ? |
| 04:54.26 | mike-burns | Ha. |
| 04:54.31 | lkthomas | ? |
| 04:54.39 | squisher | what are spaces? |
| 04:54.48 | lkthomas | multiple desktop space |
| 04:54.49 | mike-burns | Spaces is what OS X calls virtual desktops. |
| 04:55.11 | lkthomas | use shortcut keyboard to trigger different desktop |
| 04:55.18 | squisher | ah, sure, most WMs offer that. In Xfwm4 for example they're called 'workspaces' |
| 04:55.46 | lkthomas | haven't use xfce a long time |
| 04:55.53 | Amarande | lkthomas, Debian installs Gnome by default |
| 04:55.59 | Amarande | Gnome provides 4 'spaces' by default |
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| 04:56.13 | lkthomas | what's the shortcut key to change desktop ? |
| 04:56.26 | Amarande | there's four little squares in the lower right hand corner |
| 04:56.29 | Amarande | clicky them to switch |
| 04:56.36 | Rusty1 | did someone say compiz? |
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| 04:56.41 | Amarande | waits to be eviscerated by hardcore geeks here for using the word 'clicky' |
| 04:56.56 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-right/left |
| 04:56.56 | lkthomas | compiz need 3D card support ? |
| 04:57.05 | streuner_ | yes |
| 04:57.15 | lkthomas | hehe |
| 04:57.20 | lkthomas | I need to do that on vnc :P |
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| 04:59.37 | squisher | lkthomas, usually the shortcut is configurable. For Xfwm4 the default is CTRL-F1 etc |
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| 05:00.07 | mike-burns | System > Preferences > Keboard Shortcuts in GNOME for more details. |
| 05:00.52 | streuner_ | has a Deja Vu |
| 05:01.19 | streuner_ | thought he know lkthomas from #d, but didnt rememeber |
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| 05:04.00 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 05:12.08 | morphix | hmm how long would an rsync of about 30gb take from a SATA2 to SATA2 drive? |
| 05:13.20 | dbbolton | morphix whats your max network speed |
| 05:13.29 | morphix | its not over network |
| 05:13.32 | morphix | from drive to drive |
| 05:13.43 | morphix | on same box |
| 05:14.08 | dbbolton | oh, why don't you just use cp then |
| 05:14.43 | dbbolton | with -n |
| 05:14.46 | morphix | cause the data needs to stay up-to-date before i take the machine down |
| 05:15.15 | streuner_ | 1,5 Gbit/s = 150 MByte/s. |
| 05:15.27 | streuner_ | How fast is SATA2? |
| 05:15.53 | morphix | isnt is 3Gbit? |
| 05:16.51 | dbbolton | hypothetically |
| 05:17.41 | squisher | morphix, check out hdparm -Tt to see how fast your drives are |
| 05:18.15 | morphix | hmm |
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| 05:24.22 | dbbolton | anyone know of a pdf viewer with tabs? |
| 05:26.42 | streuner_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Storage |
| 05:27.06 | streuner_ | well, acroread |
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| 06:22.44 | acu | hey guys - do you know what happen with imagegd2 extension in squeeze ? |
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| 06:57.38 | Clemens | Does anyone know how I can check why a mailinglist doesn't work very good ? I don't know what kind of messages I'm checking for in the /var/log/mail.* |
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| 06:58.21 | StuckMojo | how can you make aptitude install <package> act like dpkg --force-depends -i <package> ? |
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| 07:09.17 | sep | Clemens, non of us would know what to look for either if all we knew was "does not work very good" is it slow? do mail bounce ? go into the void ? irregular ? step 1: find a better problem description. then what you look for in the logs may make more sense |
| 07:10.50 | Clemens | sep: You're right. Sorry about that. |
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| 07:11.24 | Clemens | The problem is that most of the times I send an e-mail to the mailinglist, the recipients do not get the e-mail. |
| 07:13.53 | xsdg | StuckMojo: force-depends? it would be pretty weird if you could make aptitude do that |
| 07:14.16 | xsdg | StuckMojo: I mean, you could download-only and then install manually with dpkg |
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| 07:14.20 | phorce1 | Clemens: so, pick a recipient who did not get the mail and search your mail.info for their address looking for the reason delivery failed |
| 07:14.32 | xsdg | StuckMojo: but otherwise, which dependencies should aptitude ignore? |
| 07:14.33 | xsdg | win 33 |
| 07:15.00 | StuckMojo | xsdg: the download and dpkg is what i ended up doing |
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| 07:15.09 | Clemens | phorce1: imapd[23489]: Killed (lost mailbox lock) |
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| 07:15.17 | Clemens | This is what I found |
| 07:15.20 | StuckMojo | xsdg: thanks |
| 07:16.02 | Vasistha | running out of disk space on '/' -- is there a way of detecting if there are programs/packages installed that I'm not really using? |
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| 07:16.35 | phorce1 | Clemens: that's an IMAP error. nothing to do with sending mail |
| 07:16.45 | sep | Clemens, imap is not mail or mailinglist related |
| 07:16.51 | Clemens | ok |
| 07:16.51 | sep | only mail retrival related |
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| 07:17.44 | sep | mailq : check for unsent mail in queue. and grep your logs for the recipient, when you find it- grep your logs for the mail id to get the whole "conversation" about that one mail |
| 07:18.07 | sep | if you find nothing. check logs for the mailinglist software |
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| 07:21.07 | quentusrex | Anyone know how to debug a vsftpd tls connection failure? |
| 07:21.19 | quentusrex | I am trying to have a device connect over ftps |
| 07:22.13 | quentusrex | but I can't seem to get any debug info |
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| 07:23.52 | adb | Vasistha, check /tmp/ (unused tmp files or Flash4444s ), var/ (unused old logs), clean packages from /var/cache/apt/archives (< use apt-get clean) , and/or reboot |
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| 07:26.10 | Vasistha | adb: hmm, I have a fondness for keeping my apt archives, but when they are 2.4G and I have 800M free it seems unwise :) |
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| 07:26.45 | Vasistha | adb: seriously, though, I'd much prefer to remove some software that I'm not using (and which also, btw, takes update time periodically...) |
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| 07:32.08 | adb | Vasistha, maybe use a light X system |
| 07:33.34 | Vasistha | adb: uh ... maybe you don't understand my question :) I'd like to remove software that I don't use. I don't want to remove software that I like and use everyday. Like ... I dunno, some audio encoding software that I downloaded once and never used. Stuff like that. I know there's a lot of cruft on my system that I don't use. |
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| 07:34.13 | Vasistha | but identifying it is not a simple task! I'm wondering if there is some tool... some way of knowing. |
| 07:35.06 | adb | usually software don't tack to much resources .. |
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| 07:35.14 | adb | take |
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| 07:36.04 | adb | with rare exceptions as openoffice.org |
| 07:36.45 | adb | suite |
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| 07:37.15 | Vasistha | adb: well... individual packages, no. But the lot of it combined does. |
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| 07:37.24 | jmarsden | Vasistha: As long as you are able to recognize package names, you can do something like dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall$ |less # and then apt-get purge the packages you do not want. But apt-get clean is more likely to yield quick and useful results, assuming /var is on the partition you want to free up space on. |
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| 07:38.04 | Vasistha | jmarsden: *sigh* I guess it'll have to be manual. |
| 07:38.44 | adb | Vasistha, what are your disk resources ? |
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| 07:40.37 | Vasistha | / 8G used 1G free; /Docs 7G used 2G free; /AV 41G used 3G free; -- I never thought I would run out of room with a 10G root partition! I keep all my data in /Docs (sometimes with symlinks from /home) |
| 07:41.32 | sep | Vasistha, delete all your downloaded apt packages ? aptitude/apt-get clean |
| 07:42.02 | Vasistha | sep: a popular suggestion, but not what I want to do. Thanks anyway. |
| 07:42.52 | sep | Vasistha, i know that the popcon tool somehow keeps track of how often a package have been in use. but i do not know where that info is stored on your local machine.. |
| 07:43.20 | peterrooney | Vasistha: zcat /var/log/dpkg.log.3gz | awk ' $3 == "install" ' | more # shows date and time packages were installed |
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| 07:43.39 | Vasistha | the thing is, I *use* those packages -- when I install a new system, I just use a netinst Cd and then I point it over to this computer where I've got an apt repo, so I download them over the LAN instead of from the net. Makes new installs nice and fast! And I keep my own machine updated |
| 07:44.03 | peterrooney | Vasistha: mine goes back to mid-november. |
| 07:44.45 | Vasistha | sep: hmm, I've had popcon installed in the past, wonder if it will turn out to be useful :) |
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| 07:45.05 | Vasistha | peterrooney: ah, that's an interesting suggestion, too! Although I don't know if that will help me decide whether I'm using them or not... |
| 07:45.19 | peterrooney | Vasistha: so, if you know about when you installed the (now unwanted) packages, you can save some time |
| 07:46.14 | Vasistha | peterrooney: I don't have a clue. I've had this system for over two years now, and I dunno, maybe once every other month I'll be doing an update or something, or something will catch my eye, and I'll decide to install it, maybe I'll have time to try it out at that time or maybe I just forget about it |
| 07:47.28 | sep | Vasistha, do you have free space somewhere else on your drive ? you could move /usr or /var to their own partition . |
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| 07:47.41 | Vasistha | and so over the last couple years I reckon I've got at least 1G of unneeded installed packages. Haven't figured out an easy way of detecting them, though. Windows claims to have that handy feature of detecting the last time something was run, but it doesn't work (and uninstalling is such a pain there!) |
| 07:47.43 | adb | Vasistha, next install use a better partition schema / ~4 BG, /home 10 GB, /srv rest of disk, + some swap (~ 500 MB) |
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| 07:48.17 | Vasistha | actually I think my partition scheme has worked out pretty darn well, thankyouverymuch -- all the partitions filled up about the same time D: |
| 07:48.46 | adb | so you may reinstall a new system aloways only on / partition |
| 07:48.46 | peterrooney | Vasistha: If you know the name of a program you don't use, you can find out what package it is in using apt-file. if you're worried that maybe that package has programs that you _do_ use, dpkg -L <package_name> shows all files in a given package |
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| 07:50.17 | Vasistha | the biggest is for AV ... music, videos, pictures, comics, whatever. It uses a large block size. Then I have a data partition. Then everything else goes on root, including /home (and I don't store data in /home) -- it works great! |
| 07:50.29 | peterrooney | Vasistha: also, dpigs (in package debian-goodies) shows what are the largest packages currently installed on your system. |
| 07:51.43 | Vasistha | anyway, thanks, guys, for all your good advice. It's clear at this point that there is no easy way to get right at what I want -- I am going to have to invest some time in searching through the package lists. |
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| 07:54.09 | peterrooney | Vasistha: it's a hard problem, and comes down to not recording why packages were installed - this is why run books are recommended by old hands. |
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| 07:58.09 | Samurai601 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.09 | Samurai601 | device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: wl) |
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| 08:00.12 | adb | !tell Samurai601 about wl |
| 08:00.34 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 08:02.51 | adb | judd, pciid 14E4:4311 |
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| 08:02.53 | judd | [14e4:4311] is 'BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4311 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 08:03.45 | Vasistha | ooh! I just remembered there's that ibm backup partition with 5 GB of windows backup! I can delete that and get 5 GB. oh... and I think I have another unused 5 GB that was supposed to be for an alternate linux distro... knowing me I'll never use that. Wow, I have 10 GB I can stretch into! |
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| 08:04.29 | adb | Vasistha, how nice .. |
| 08:04.47 | Vasistha | adb: heh, I'll stop bitching now... |
| 08:05.02 | zitter | hi, my machine has stopped to connect with others LAN PCs... pings doesn't respond, tracert shows only 1 hop (to itself), but if I do ping to broadcast leds reply on my switch. Any hint, please? |
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| 08:05.33 | EagleWatch | hi all |
| 08:05.53 | Samurai601 | bcm4312? |
| 08:05.59 | adb | hi EagleWatch |
| 08:06.00 | EagleWatch | I jusk asking if %j mean something in crontab file? |
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| 08:06.07 | Samurai601 | abortman bcm4312 |
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| 08:06.51 | adb | !tell Samurai601 about bcm4312 |
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| 08:07.12 | jmarsden | EagleWatch: % means newline in a crontab file... use \% if you need % in a crontab entry. man 5 crontab |
| 08:07.28 | Samurai601 | well with the broadcom when i get wifi going the eth0 goes down...and with broadcom eth0 same thing eth0 no wifi |
| 08:07.37 | EagleWatch | jmarsden, oops Iomit that thanks |
| 08:07.46 | jmarsden | EagleWatch: You're welcome. |
| 08:09.02 | Samurai601 | abortman how do i enable b43-fwcutter i have it installed |
| 08:09.41 | adb | Samurai601, ask only , abortman is gone |
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| 08:10.35 | adb | Samurai601, you asked that .. |
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| 08:15.44 | adb | Samurai601, just by curiosity, wlan and eth0 has the SAME mac address ? |
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| 08:55.30 | iguanna | hi all |
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| 08:58.51 | iguanna | I downloaded the debian-testing-i386-cd41.iso from debian repository, I burned it to a CD, but now I think that Cd is not bootable because my laptop can't raise the installation, am I right? |
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| 08:59.32 | iguanna | I thought all this images are bootable and ready to install from a CD driver |
| 08:59.45 | sep | iguanna, cd41 ? |
| 08:59.48 | sep | cd1 is bootable |
| 08:59.49 | iguanna | yeah |
| 08:59.59 | sep | and you do not need the other cd's if you have network |
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| 09:00.11 | iguanna | I have network |
| 09:00.21 | sep | what ever made you download cd 41 ? |
| 09:00.55 | iguanna | sep: I thought it was the lastest version of testing |
| 09:01.00 | babilen | off-by-one ;-) |
| 09:01.57 | iguanna | sep: to install from network I need at least a small image, don't I? |
| 09:01.59 | sep | iguanna, no... debian comes on 42 cd's to get space for all the software |
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| 09:02.18 | sep | but only people without network (or dvd burder) want to burn 42 cd's.. |
| 09:02.23 | sep | iguanna, cd1 ' |
| 09:02.25 | sep | or the netinstall |
| 09:02.26 | iguanna | I see |
| 09:02.33 | Third3ye | Hey, uhm... speaking of... :P |
| 09:02.51 | Third3ye | I got these old computers, without DVD. Will it suffice to just download and use the first CD? |
| 09:03.05 | iguanna | netinstall? |
| 09:03.13 | iguanna | could you explain me a little bit? |
| 09:03.42 | sep | iguanna, net install is cd1 without any additional software. just whats needed to boot, get network, and start the installation. |
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| 09:04.03 | iguanna | I know |
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| 09:04.13 | Third3ye | Not a chance |
| 09:04.22 | Third3ye | The only available internet source is a 3G dongle |
| 09:04.57 | sep | Third3ye, cd1 is "enoughf" depending on what tasks you install. |
| 09:05.09 | Third3ye | Simple workstation :) |
| 09:05.11 | sep | if you add a task or install a package that is on cd2... then obviously cd1 is not enough .. |
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| 09:05.43 | Third3ye | I'm guessing the install will prompt me about this and exclude any content from cd*, or even show me which packages are on what CD? |
| 09:05.48 | babilen | Even the netinstall CD is enough to get a running 'base system' |
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| 09:06.13 | babilen | !cd content |
| 09:06.13 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 09:06.19 | sep | i allways use the netinstall minimal base system . then i do the rest from there. |
| 09:06.28 | babilen | dito |
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| 09:07.06 | Third3ye | If I had a descent line I would do it ^^ |
| 09:07.07 | sep | babilen, with 3g downloading one and one package is probably better then downlaoding a cd where you only need 20% of the packages ? |
| 09:07.26 | sep | and once you have all packages downloaded on one machine you can use that as a cache for the other machines to avoid downloading them again |
| 09:07.35 | babilen | exactly |
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| 09:08.44 | sep | optinaly if you must have a cd, use jigido to download a cd with just the packages you need. so you avoid having to download many cd's where there are many packages you did not want..... |
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| 09:08.57 | babilen | Third3ye: I would suggest that you download the CDs off-site then and install the DVD-less computer using a subset of the CDs. Or get a DVD drive - they are not *that* expensive these days ;-) |
| 09:10.44 | babilen | Third3ye: You could also use something like apt-zip or apt-offline and download the packages you need somewhere else. |
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| 09:10.54 | teclo- | yeah, nowadays a DVD drive costs nothing, you know, like 25 EUR |
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| 09:12.32 | Third3ye | Well it's an operation that will start in an hour with little to no resources available :) I asure you I am not withholding any form of vital information pertinent to my success, I am very constrained |
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| 09:14.40 | babilen | Third3ye: The point is, that downloading the CD images buys you nothing, because they *will* contain (outdated) packages you don't need. I would say it is still better to use the netinstall and install *exactly* the packages you want. |
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| 09:17.56 | babilen | Third3ye: If that is not an option you can download one of the CD1 images tailored towards a specific desktop environment (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, ...) and use that to install what you want. OTOH running a full-blown DE on your outdated computer might not be the brightest idea and you want to use a minimalistic window manager anyway :-) |
| 09:18.46 | Third3ye | Indeed :) |
| 09:18.50 | Third3ye | So CD1 is acceptable |
| 09:19.06 | sep | Third3ye, jigdo will contain EXACTLY the packagse you need tho |
| 09:19.12 | sep | since you have to specify them |
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| 09:24.03 | Devrethman | how do I make aptitude forget changes that I made, but did not acutally execute? |
| 09:24.43 | anonissimus | quit |
| 09:24.47 | Devrethman | I tried to do something dumb, and now when I hit G to install/update/whatever, it wants to uninstall a bunch of things. I haven't actually done anything, but aptitude it remembering my changes and whats to do them. |
| 09:24.51 | Devrethman | I tried that. |
| 09:25.21 | Devrethman | It's saying "rsyslogd will be removed due to the following dependency errors: " |
| 09:25.31 | Devrethman | except there's no errors there, cause I undid what was causing the error. |
| 09:26.01 | anonissimus | ctrl T |
| 09:26.05 | babilen | Devrethman: You can use 'e' to cancel pending actions in the ncurses interface |
| 09:26.08 | anonissimus | then cancel pending actions |
| 09:26.31 | Devrethman | perfect. Thanks. |
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| 10:02.18 | sep | can sort, sort a list by value when the lines contains things like 5K 2M 1G ? -n seams to only consider the number part ? |
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| 10:04.05 | willluongo | sep are you trying to sort by size, and human readable? |
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| 10:05.33 | sep | i am trying to sort a list i got by mail (took me a weekto get it as well) that is amount item and there are things like 5K gizmo \n 1M thingies |
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| 10:06.02 | sep | but i can jsut search repalce the KMG's with lots of 0's it's |
| 10:06.05 | sep | and use -n |
| 10:06.16 | willluongo | sep not with sort no |
| 10:06.28 | willluongo | maybe awk or perl |
| 10:06.51 | sep | huh right thanks |
| 10:06.55 | Sia- | someone knows what is mean by this shortcut "lv3:ralt_switch,compose:lwin" Alt+Win ?? or waht? |
| 10:07.02 | Sia- | what* |
| 10:07.30 | willluongo | right alt, and left windows key maybe? |
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| 10:09.51 | Sia- | willluongo, thnx but isn't that :) |
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| 10:19.19 | areve | hi, my debian server keeps rebooting for no apparent reason syslog contains localhost shutdown[1848]: shutting down for system reboot, how can i identify what called this? |
| 10:19.41 | areve | hoping someone can help... |
| 10:20.48 | utrrrongeeb | areve: Not sure if I'll be of any help, but: does you server run for a while before rebooting? How long? Is it consistent? |
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| 10:21.29 | areve | it's not consistent |
| 10:21.42 | cantido | maybe your power button is wonky? |
| 10:21.47 | utrrrongeeb | areve: So what's the longest the server's run before rebooting? |
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| 10:22.36 | areve | it does run, I've had the disk out and run a disk checked it fsck found no faults |
| 10:23.02 | utrrrongeeb | areve: Yes, but for how long? Ten minutes, six hours, or two weeks? |
| 10:23.02 | areve | longest is about 2 hours shortest about 2 mins |
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| 10:23.08 | cantido | areve: do you have anything else around the shutdown line in your syslog? |
| 10:23.18 | utrrrongeeb | areve: Hmm. sounds inconvenient. |
| 10:23.20 | cantido | areve: if it was called by acpi there should be some stuff there |
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| 10:24.21 | areve | not consitently i could do with logging process starts so i can see what program is initiating shutdown |
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| 10:40.48 | utrrrongeeb | For some reason I can't compile kernel modules, notably a winmodem driver and the gamecon module. The errors a very similar between modules. [Debian Lenny, with a history] I'm assuming there's a hidden dependency problem, but I don't know where to begin. |
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| 10:42.08 | CruX| | hello, AES or BLOWFISH is better ? |
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| 10:45.35 | WormFood | anyone have any idea why most of the times when I reboot, it tells me my superblock is in the future, and insists on doing a lengthy checkdisk routine (always finding nothing wrong). Most of the time it does this, but not always. |
| 10:45.48 | WormFood | on sid |
| 10:46.15 | babilen | do you dual boot? |
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| 10:47.19 | utrrrongeeb | WormFood: I notice that too, sometimes. babilen: yes, and there's a shared FAT32 partition. |
| 10:47.39 | brokencycle | hi! |
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| 10:48.26 | brokencycle | I'm having trouble with disk performance. |
| 10:48.38 | WormFood | no babilen (I do, sometimes, but not when I have these problems) |
| 10:48.47 | babilen | It's probably due to windows setting the hardware clock to local time and Debian expecting it as UTC : |
| 10:48.50 | babilen | !utc |
| 10:48.50 | dpkg | utc is, like, Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
| 10:49.01 | WormFood | no babilen...not booting winblows |
| 10:49.20 | WormFood | babilen, I always configure my winblows machines to UTC anways, just to stop shit like that. |
| 10:49.52 | brokencycle | To debug this, I'm looking for ways to associate disk i/o operations to processes. Like "top", but for disk/io (net/io?) operations instead of memory or cpu. |
| 10:49.52 | WormFood | babilen, I reboot linux, and most of the time, it tells me my superblock is in the future |
| 10:50.02 | babilen | brokencycle: iotop |
| 10:50.04 | WormFood | brokencycle, there is a program for that |
| 10:50.23 | WormFood | thanks babilen, I was looking for that the other day, and couldn't remember the damn name of it :P |
| 10:51.08 | WormFood | I'm trying jigdo (jigsaw download) to download a new iso image of debian....never tried it before, but that is what they're suggesting, so I'll give it a shot |
| 10:51.22 | brokencycle | @babilen: thanks for the hint - somehow, I failed to find this! |
| 10:51.50 | brokencycle | I have one other problem, which is discovery and control of the physical layout on an lvm system. |
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| 10:52.49 | nsadmin | what's to understand? there are PVs some of which are part of VGs |
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| 10:53.37 | nsadmin | the discovery part is done by lvm, it goes in and activates all volume groups it finds |
| 10:53.50 | babilen | and: pvdisplay \ lvdisplay |
| 10:53.58 | babilen | to list them |
| 10:54.00 | brokencycle | When partitioning, I have an idea about how to layout partitions to minimize head bang^Wmoving. But in the partitioner, or at least in d-i, LVs seem to get shuffled around within a VG in unpredictable ways, destroying the performance (as far as i can see) |
| 10:54.36 | nsadmin | sure, I can see that happening too |
| 10:54.40 | babilen | just create the PVs / VGs / LVs to your liking |
| 10:55.11 | WormFood | babilen, so no more suggestions as to my superblock problems? blame it on windows? (that is what I usually do, but in this case, not using windows) |
| 10:55.23 | nsadmin | plus, as you create your lvs and resize them later (mostly expand), I can also see them getting fragmented |
| 10:56.46 | babilen | WormFood: Ah - I guess that it is a problem with your clock. It might be that it does not get synced correctly. Does 'hwclock -s' work correctly? Is the time correct in the BIOS? |
| 10:57.36 | brokencycle | I have my pv/vg/lv set up already, but i specified them in d-i in one way, and from the listing in d-i and the sound and performance of my disks, d-i must have shuffled them around before creating them. I'm looking for ways to get around that, and/or defragment vgs. |
| 10:57.42 | nsadmin | one feature of lvm I am nervous about, is the ability to have a VG covering PVs on multiple drives |
| 10:57.48 | WormFood | yeah, it works babilen |
| 10:58.04 | WormFood | it seems to happen when I reboot when it is under a higher load |
| 10:58.13 | babilen | WormFood: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543375 |
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| 10:58.28 | WormFood | usually if I boot into x11, it gives me that problem when I reboot, even if I do nothing |
| 10:58.45 | babilen | WormFood: There is a solution in the last post :-) |
| 10:58.59 | babilen | But I am not sure if you run into exactly this bug |
| 10:59.27 | WormFood | I was thinking it was because my clock is utc+8 |
| 10:59.47 | nsadmin | so I like to get big drives, and put one big PV on it (and maybe one or two smaller partitions if it's one drive to boot from) and have one VG for that drive |
| 10:59.56 | WormFood | my local clock is utc+8, and I do remember the times being off 8 hours in the past, but didn't pay close attention to the dates the last tiem it happened. |
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| 11:00.21 | brokencycle | @nsadmin: I've not dared to use that, too, but otoh, what would be the way to go when trying to eg. use a storage system of, say, 20TB? |
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| 11:01.30 | themill | WormFood: is your hardware clock being correctly updated with the system time on shutdown? If the kernel's clock and the hardware clock slew against each other, then you'll end up with a time difference like that. |
| 11:01.49 | themill | indulges in some WAGing |
| 11:01.50 | brokencycle | @nsadmin: for workstations, i like to configure one plain md0 /boot partition, and put the rest into one encrypted pv, with one vg and a number of lvs inside that. |
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| 11:02.43 | johnf | One of my packages has moved from using @Base in the symbols file to @library.so. Can I just update the symbols file without breaking too many thing or should I have a MISSING for all the previous symbols? |
| 11:02.50 | WormFood | themill, I was thinking that maybe the time wasn't getting written to the hardware clock correctly, since it seems to only do this when the machine is running a lot of processes...if I boot, and reboot, I don't get this problem....if I boot, and run X11, then shutdown X11 and reboot, I get this problem. |
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| 11:05.33 | themill | WormFood: setting the hardware clock has become a little more difficult of late, with options like --directisa being used again in situations where they have no sensible meaning that I can see. nfc why. It might be worthwhile looking at the output "hwclock" in situations when you know this might become a problem. |
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| 11:06.19 | WormFood | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543375 this page seems to have more info on the problem...I'm reading it now |
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| 11:09.02 | themill | WormFood: if my WAG is correct, then /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh is not doing the right thing for you on shutdown. I'd spend some time working out why these things are going awry and making sure you have good time discipline with ntp or similar and that the hwclock is indeed being updated correctly on shutdown. |
| 11:09.42 | WormFood | I thought I was running an ntp client |
| 11:10.11 | WormFood | yeah, I am |
| 11:10.57 | themill | WormFood: that only keeps kernel time correct, hwclock will still do what it wants. (have fun, afk) |
| 11:11.30 | WormFood | right...I understand...the system reads the hardware clock on startup, and uses that until ntp is synced |
| 11:11.36 | brokencycle | ok... i forgot something: in iotop, i'm missing the same information on a per-filesystem basis. |
| 11:11.37 | WormFood | thanks for your help themill |
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| 11:16.31 | linduxed | hey guys, ive got a server that i need to mount some extra HDDs into, but i have neither got any space left in the chassi nor do i have a sata controller |
| 11:16.41 | linduxed | so i was thinking of buying a controller |
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| 11:17.11 | oggei | good idea |
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| 11:17.41 | linduxed | the thing is however that i can either buy a PCI card that gives me 2 eSATA ports + 2 regular SATA ports (this is more expensive) |
| 11:17.51 | nsadmin | you could do external sata or external usb |
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| 11:18.20 | linduxed | or a cheaper one that has only 2 SATA ports but i could buy a esata to sata adapter |
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| 11:18.45 | linduxed | is this a viable solution or should i just go with the real eSATA ports? |
| 11:19.09 | nsadmin | you'd need an enclosure too probably |
| 11:19.21 | nsadmin | or power for the drive |
| 11:21.54 | ONE_PATE | have someome a compare between xfs, jfs, reiser and ext4 |
| 11:22.04 | streuner_ | !FS |
| 11:22.11 | streuner_ | !filesystem |
| 11:22.11 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:22.52 | streuner_ | dpkg, fs is also filesystem |
| 11:22.52 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
| 11:23.27 | ONE_PATE | ok thansk! |
| 11:23.45 | nsadmin | there is probably a #xfs here |
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| 11:24.40 | linduxed | nsadmin: im thinking of using a SATA-dock |
| 11:24.55 | linduxed | nsadmin: that i hook up through the eSATA |
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| 11:31.11 | ONE_PATE | you think xfs is the best and fastest for nromal user |
| 11:31.19 | Arrowmaster | 'mostly reliable' for xfs? i was under the impression that you shouldnt consider using it without a ups |
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| 11:31.39 | petemc | ONE_PATE: the default is ext3 for a reason |
| 11:32.12 | linduxed | where is ext4 in that printout |
| 11:32.47 | ONE_PATE | what is ups |
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| 11:32.59 | willluongo | uninteruptable power supply |
| 11:33.14 | willluongo | uninterruptible even |
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| 11:33.47 | ONE_PATE | at the momment hm what does it mean ? hmm |
| 11:33.55 | ONE_PATE | my english is bad sry.. |
| 11:34.18 | Arrowmaster | probably between ext3 and xfs, it shouldnt lose data on power lose like xfs can and should be faster than ext3 but its still new enough that not everybody will trust it |
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| 11:35.00 | Arrowmaster | ONE_PATE: battery backup |
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| 11:35.30 | Arrowmaster | so you can do a clean shutdown when the power goes out |
| 11:37.07 | ONE_PATE | ah ok xfs have a big con because it can lost data on power out |
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| 11:53.57 | niklaswe | any ide about this.. I have complie a new kernel.. ItÅ boot and fsck.xfs on my root.. but when it comes to my /home/ (/dev/sda2) it says it doesn't exist.. and it ask after password. or ctrl+D to continue.. |
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| 12:01.49 | cusco_ | hi |
| 12:01.59 | cusco_ | how would parallels interacti with debian? |
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| 12:13.15 | stuckey_ | How do I start a program under gdb? |
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| 12:17.56 | babilen | stuckey_: "gdb program" ? |
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| 12:20.19 | stuckey_ | babilen: Reading symbols from /usr/bin/handbrake-gtk...(no debugging symbols found)...done. |
| 12:20.45 | lucascoala | did you try `gdb main` ? |
| 12:21.16 | stuckey_ | main: No such file or directory. |
| 12:21.54 | wols_ | stuckey_: did you compile handbrake with debugging enabled? |
| 12:22.04 | stuckey_ | wols_: I didn't compile it - it came from multimedia |
| 12:22.39 | babilen | stuckey_: Have a look if a -dbg package is available |
| 12:23.08 | stuckey_ | babilen: it's not |
| 12:23.11 | stuckey_ | only gtk and cli |
| 12:23.13 | babilen | stuckey_: Otherwise compile it yourself with debug symbols - /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 12:23.36 | cusco_ | gdb program |
| 12:23.42 | cusco_ | then on the gdb cli tyoe: run |
| 12:23.43 | babilen | stuckey_: Not sure how to get the source package for dmm packages though |
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| 12:25.30 | stuckey_ | cusco_: thanks! |
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| 12:34.16 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 12:34.55 | babilen | welcome |
| 12:35.14 | aprendiz001 | I have a problem with a mail server |
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| 12:35.42 | aprendiz001 | I can't subscribe to a folder I think because of the flag is wrong |
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| 12:36.18 | aprendiz001 | how can I change the flag NoSelect in cyrus? |
| 12:36.26 | aprendiz001 | or to see them |
| 12:36.32 | wols_ | cyradm does it |
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| 12:36.48 | aprendiz001 | how? I can't find |
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| 12:37.45 | wols_ | cyradm is part of your cyrus admin package |
| 12:38.05 | sakitram | hello, I just now installed debian in my virtualbox |
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| 12:39.25 | sakitram | then I tried apt-get install build-essential, but I always get error "Could not connected to ftp.uni-bay...., connection time out |
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| 12:39.38 | sakitram | I think I had to change the server address, please help me on this |
| 12:39.46 | mastro | hi, i have a scsi controller and i have horrible IO performance, i noticed it mess the sg0 device. what should I install? may be some module? |
| 12:40.01 | oggei | sakitram: you probably don't have connectivity, refer to virtualbox documentation on how to obtain a working config |
| 12:40.21 | sakitram | I have connectivity... |
| 12:40.28 | sakitram | good connectivity |
| 12:40.31 | wols_ | sakitram: does internet access from inside the virtualbox work? |
| 12:40.40 | oggei | sakitram: well, you're on irc in effect |
| 12:40.45 | wols_ | sakitram: so where are you located, what country? |
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| 12:40.56 | wols_ | and what version of debian do you run? |
| 12:41.35 | wols_ | mastro: which scsi controller? |
| 12:41.36 | aprendiz001 | wols_, yes I know cyradm but I don't know the command to see the flags or to change it |
| 12:41.51 | wols_ | aprendiz001: check setaclmailbox |
| 12:42.16 | sakitram | I am from India |
| 12:42.47 | sakitram | I can able to browse website, and even apt-get downloaded succcessfully the first file I think, 1 min, I shall paste the screen shot |
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| 12:44.01 | wols_ | sakitram: try another mirror then. inida has no official debian mirror, but japan, hongong, taiwan, etc have |
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| 12:44.06 | oggei | if you know you have connectivity on your vm, then man 5 sources.list and change mirror |
| 12:44.29 | sakitram | please have a look at http://pastebin.ca/1786969 |
| 12:45.29 | sakitram | how to do switch to another mirror? |
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| 12:46.12 | wols_ | sakitram: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update |
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| 12:46.36 | sakitram | ok, thanks. I shall try. |
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| 12:47.39 | babilen | !tell sakitram -about sources.list |
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| 13:25.53 | runa | heyas. 'less' find works really bad on files w/ long lines. any hints? |
| 13:26.19 | cusco_ | does it? why? |
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| 13:30.06 | runa | cusco_: it 'finds' the string, but the viewport is not moved to the match. and since the line is that long, it's pretty difficult to look for it manually |
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| 13:36.26 | clotterm | hi! does anybody know how to disable the framebuffer during the lennt-installation? |
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| 13:38.14 | oggei | iirc there's a couple of way, appending right bootparm |
| 13:38.28 | oggei | like debian-installer/framebuffer=false |
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| 13:38.41 | oggei | there's also a shorter option but i can't remember |
| 13:38.42 | neohaven | When trying to install Debian latest on a sparc, I get this error right after a few screens (never the same number of screens) http://pastebin.com/m1dcfbddc |
| 13:38.46 | neohaven | Any ideas? |
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| 13:40.32 | clotterm | oggei: well, where do i have to wirite it to? can't even see the first image that's been laoded.. |
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| 13:41.20 | djanowski | hi all. how can i reload /etc/cron.d ? i changed a file, not sure if it's picking up my changes |
| 13:41.42 | Name1ess | ... I should know this ..... |
| 13:41.46 | oggei | write "linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false", keeping in mind that you're using an US layout |
| 13:42.17 | clotterm | okay thanks, i'll give it a try |
| 13:42.19 | oggei | when you starts seeing nothing, start writing |
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| 13:44.49 | clotterm | oggei: does not work unfortunately |
| 13:45.44 | Name1ess | djanowski: is it env-update? (I am not sure ... ) |
| 13:45.46 | oggei | did you typed correctly ? |
| 13:45.54 | oggei | you have to use us layout |
| 13:45.59 | clotterm | yeah tried it 2times |
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| 13:46.08 | clotterm | i know, that's what i actually use |
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| 13:47.04 | oggei | try fb=false, it's the shorter way |
| 13:47.11 | clotterm | ok |
| 13:47.28 | oggei | is your video device normally working ? and which model etc ... ? |
| 13:47.40 | djanowski | Name1ess: just tried restarting cron |
| 13:47.45 | oggei | is md5sum of ur iso correct ? |
| 13:47.55 | clotterm | oggei: well i try to install it via ssh on a kvm machine |
| 13:48.19 | clotterm | i use curses and that isn't able to use fb imho |
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| 13:48.54 | oggei | do you have other information like this you want to keep to yourself ? |
| 13:48.56 | clotterm | after a while '640*480 Gaphic mode' appears, and i can't continue the intalltion |
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| 13:49.40 | clotterm | okay, sorry, i'm still a newbie |
| 13:50.11 | oggei | which medium are you using for installation ? |
| 13:50.27 | clotterm | thenetinstall image |
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| 13:51.05 | oggei | can you use a uhm, usb thing to boot ? |
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| 13:52.00 | oggei | usb installer images are easier to modify, to "hardcode" an fb=false and a timeout |
| 13:52.02 | runa | djanowski: aloha |
| 13:52.18 | clotterm | okay, i'll give it a try |
| 13:52.41 | wols_ | isn't there a boot prompt where you can edit kernel parameters |
| 13:52.45 | djanowski | runa: hey there. fighting with munin |
| 13:52.51 | runa | djanowski: no need to restart, cron rereads the files every run |
| 13:52.54 | wols_ | something like "press f2 for advanced options" or such |
| 13:52.55 | oggei | i can help you |
| 13:53.05 | oggei | wols_: yes, there is |
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| 13:53.11 | djanowski | runa: what do you mean on every run? |
| 13:53.22 | djanowski | runa: crond is already running |
| 13:53.27 | clotterm | i also rember something like that from older versions. |
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| 13:53.40 | oggei | but you probably get also input screwed |
| 13:54.55 | runa | djanowski: cron wakes up every minute, |
| 13:55.53 | wols_ | djanowski: use a linux live cd with a ssh server and then use debootrs |
| 13:55.55 | oggei | clotterm: still here ? |
| 13:56.24 | wols_ | debootstrap. the manual has a chapter for it afaik. if not, google does |
| 13:56.42 | clotterm | oggei: yeah, i'm trying to find another solutuion, kind of ssh -X or so. |
| 13:56.56 | oggei | you can't usb boot ? |
| 13:57.40 | clotterm | well the machine is far far away |
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| 13:57.53 | clotterm | don |
| 13:58.03 | oggei | with a long long usb cable, or maybe some image virtualization stuff |
| 13:58.04 | clotterm | don't have phsysical access to it |
| 13:58.19 | oggei | like vmware, you know, i don't know ur kvm specification |
| 13:58.42 | wols_ | clotterm: what does ´currently run on this remote system? |
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| 13:58.51 | clotterm | well i tried to do it with kvm, but got some errors with the frambuffer |
| 13:59.17 | wols_ | since you have ssh access, there must be a full network stack, ssh, etc. in short, there already is a full OS there |
| 13:59.33 | clotterm | yes, there is a fully configures os |
| 13:59.39 | oggei | wols_: you don't know, so this is all confusing |
| 13:59.50 | wols_ | clotterm: whioh OS? |
| 13:59.59 | clotterm | ubuntu 9.10 uec |
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| 14:00.06 | wols_ | then use debootstrap |
| 14:00.39 | oggei | ok i'll give up |
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| 14:02.13 | pozic | How can I run wget from a script completely in the background without any output? |
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| 14:02.55 | oggei | pozic: reading man ? |
| 14:03.03 | mastro | wols_, LSI controller |
| 14:03.27 | pozic | oggei: I am more referring to things like redirection not working. |
| 14:03.31 | mastro | wols_, SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 01) |
| 14:03.38 | oggei | pozic: still the same, man wget |
| 14:03.38 | mastro | wols_, (sorry was in launch break) |
| 14:03.54 | pozic | oggei: I redirected stderr to stdout and that to /dev/null and I still got stuff on my terminal. |
| 14:04.02 | pozic | oggei: maybe I simply did something wrong. |
| 14:04.05 | themill | pozic: man wget will talk to you about a quiet option. |
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| 14:04.08 | oggei | pozic: i have a better idea, read manpage |
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| 14:04.30 | pozic | oggei: ok, then the question is how is it possible that a program overrides my output redirection. |
| 14:04.44 | pozic | That is something which is not in the wget manual. |
| 14:04.51 | oggei | it's linked against a fuzzy library that knows you aren't reading manpages |
| 14:05.04 | themill | heh |
| 14:05.07 | oggei | so it takes arbitrary actions |
| 14:05.09 | pozic | oggei: very funny. |
| 14:05.10 | themill | pozic: "you're doing it wrong" is something more likely. But you don't need to do such redirection |
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| 14:05.32 | oggei | either -o /dev/null, or -q will do |
| 14:05.55 | oggei | also, wgat blah 2>/dev/null will work |
| 14:06.06 | pozic | I think it was something like 2>&1 > /dev/null |
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| 14:06.09 | themill | but then you will never see the error messages that you should see |
| 14:06.09 | oggei | but you can insist to doing differently |
| 14:06.15 | oggei | pozic: wrong order |
| 14:06.22 | oggei | > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:06.40 | pozic | oggei: ok, thank you. |
| 14:06.40 | themill | or "&> /dev/null". But seriously... use -q and don't divert stderr |
| 14:06.52 | oggei | themill is obviously right |
| 14:06.53 | pozic | Is there any kind of logic in this order? |
| 14:07.00 | oggei | you don't want to miss stderr |
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| 14:07.06 | oggei | pozic: yes, there is |
| 14:07.06 | pozic | oggei: yes, yes, sure. |
| 14:07.35 | pozic | I always forget the order. That's what I meant by logic. |
| 14:07.39 | themill | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ?action=show&redirect=BashFaq#BashFAQ.2BAC8-055.Tell_me_all_about_2.3E.261_--_what.27s_the_difference_between_2.3E.261_.3Efoo_and_.3Efoo_2.3E.261.2C_and_when_do_I_use_which.3F |
| 14:07.42 | pozic | Is there a reason why it is as it is? |
| 14:07.44 | themill | EURLTOOLONG! |
| 14:08.02 | oggei | pozic: they inverted order for being sure ppl man bash /REDIRECTION |
| 14:08.14 | themill | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/055 better! |
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| 14:08.32 | wols_ | mastro: scsi will always need drivers. so without those the disk won't work in the first place |
| 14:08.53 | wols_ | mastro: define "mess the sg0 device" please |
| 14:09.12 | iluminator101 | after i reinstalled debian on my laptop i cannot view my home folder from gnome it says You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "iluminator101". |
| 14:09.32 | iluminator101 | How can i fix this |
| 14:09.39 | pozic | "Bash processes all redirections from left to right, in order. And the order is significant. Moving them around within a command may change the results of that command. " what is the order in the above command then? |
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| 14:10.18 | wols_ | iluminator101: chown your files (recursively if needed) to the new user id |
| 14:10.25 | pozic | I read it as redirect output to /dev/null and then after that redirect stderror to stdout of nothing. |
| 14:10.49 | pozic | That's probably the wrong way to read it, but I don't see why anyone would invent that syntax. |
| 14:11.13 | iluminator101 | wols how do i do that, how do i find gid number |
| 14:12.12 | wols_ | iluminator101: id |
| 14:12.27 | wols_ | but chwon happily uses names. no numbers needed |
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| 14:13.00 | oggei | pozic: you can also choose to not work with streams, and man man or -q |
| 14:13.00 | iluminator101 | so chown -R /home/iluminator101 from root |
| 14:13.23 | pozic | oggei: I am not interested in this special case. |
| 14:13.24 | wols_ | no. man chown |
| 14:14.00 | pozic | oggei: I just don't see the logic in how to read the complete command, i.e. how to parse ls > dirlist 2>&1 |
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| 14:14.23 | oggei | did you read @ themill's url ? |
| 14:14.28 | pozic | oggei: yes |
| 14:14.28 | m1 | hi ppl =] |
| 14:14.35 | m1 | I have a question |
| 14:14.41 | oggei | (cause indeed if you're see logic or not, doesn't matter at all.) |
| 14:14.43 | m1 | I installed debian |
| 14:14.54 | oggei | at cost of being rude i must tell you, eh |
| 14:14.55 | m1 | but there is something very strange |
| 14:14.59 | m1 | when I write |
| 14:15.01 | iluminator101 | chown iluminator101:iluminator101 /home/iluminator101 |
| 14:15.12 | m1 | sudo apt-get install xchat |
| 14:15.22 | pozic | oggei: what it actually does is first it redirects the stderror of ls to stdout, then it writes all of that to a file called dirlist. |
| 14:15.28 | m1 | it doesn't install |
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| 14:15.40 | iluminator101 | wols how does that look |
| 14:15.40 | pozic | oggei: but that doesn't make sense with the description of doing everything "in order". |
| 14:15.43 | \amethyst | pozic: no, that's backwads. |
| 14:16.22 | oggei | pozic: i'm no longer reading lalalala :PPP |
| 14:16.22 | \amethyst | pozic: it redirects stdout to the file, then redirects stderr to where stdout is going |
| 14:16.30 | \amethyst | pozic: if you did it in the other order, it would redirect stderr to where stdout was *originally* going, then redirect stdout |
| 14:16.38 | Name1ess | m1: did you install a GUI with Debian? |
| 14:16.38 | pozic | \amethyst: ah, so you can read it as redirect stderror to where stdout is already going. |
| 14:16.43 | pozic | \amethyst: THANK YOU. |
| 14:16.50 | wols_ | iluminator101: you need to do it recursively. rest looks fine |
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| 14:17.23 | iluminator101 | wols so chown -R iluminator101:iluminator101 /home/iluminator101 |
| 14:17.28 | trist4n | im running lenny |
| 14:17.43 | trist4n | and its seemingly vulnerable to a public local root |
| 14:17.44 | Oji-san | me too |
| 14:17.44 | m1 | Name1ess, what do you mean? |
| 14:17.46 | trist4n | how do i proceed here. |
| 14:18.14 | crash82 | Hello, I'm currently in a problem has I have 2 servers one with the correct = timezones and use the same ntp server but show a difference of 12m in time. Any tips ? |
| 14:18.18 | Name1ess | m1: Did you install KDE or Gnome or IceWM or somesuch? |
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| 14:18.33 | wols_ | trist4n: is it a debian specific problem or is it a special binary/application that'S vulnerable? |
| 14:19.15 | festr | hi, anyone here familiar with dpkg -b? |
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| 14:19.33 | xover | what does the patch -B command actually do? I have some files. |
| 14:19.34 | festr | I've upgraded from sarge to lenny and now all packages created by dpkg -b are shown as sarge instead of lenny |
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| 14:19.44 | m1 | Name1ess, gnome sure |
| 14:19.54 | festr | cant google it ( |
| 14:19.55 | festr | :( |
| 14:20.10 | iluminator101 | wols that didnt work |
| 14:20.24 | Genia4 | Hi. I'd like to have a couple of servers with identical debian configurations. From package version, to config files. Would be optimal if config files could be templates, where I can put variables like host name or ip adress that would be set dynamically based on the actual server. Any such solution exists? |
| 14:20.30 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 14:20.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 14:21.44 | iluminator101 | ls -l looks like this -rw-r--r-- 1 iluminator101 iluminator101 |
| 14:21.45 | Name1ess | m1: Look in your menus for GDPM (Gnome Debian Package Manager) - this will be a graphical front-end to the commands you were using, and you will get more visual clues as to what is going wrong. I can't advise any better, because I use KDE. |
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| 14:22.39 | m1 | Name1ess, http://www.siz.co.il/my.php?i=myzq3nlodymb.png |
| 14:22.40 | wols_ | iluminator101: you can log in as that use in console but not in gnome? |
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| 14:22.45 | m1 | Name1ess, take a look |
| 14:23.04 | iluminator101 | how can i change it so i can use it in gnome |
| 14:23.38 | wols_ | m1: configure your sudo properly, or use su to become root and then install |
| 14:23.53 | iluminator101 | i am not using sudo |
| 14:24.05 | wols_ | iluminator101: stop your gdm, log in at console, then run startx |
| 14:24.43 | Name1ess | m1: you can press CTRL_ALT_F1 to get to another console, login as root, do your install, then press CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back into your Gnome |
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| 14:25.53 | iluminator101 | k brb |
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| 14:37.24 | superlinux | is there a command that can show how much memory a process is currently booking ? |
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| 14:38.19 | superlinux | or at least, how can I search for one process in top? |
| 14:39.09 | d1b | you can use < / > to navigate top... |
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| 14:39.20 | cinex | hi |
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| 14:40.09 | superlinux | d1b, thanks |
| 14:40.16 | EagleRock | superlinux: memstat could work, or ps aux |
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| 14:40.44 | cinex | the neighbour has unencrypted wifi and my laptop keeps connecting to it. so I have changed my networks inner ips to something other than 192.168.0.<> can I use iptables to block 192.168.0.1/24 so that if it does connect it wont be able to send any data over the network. or better still block the access point somehow ? |
| 14:40.56 | superlinux | EagleRock, top is enough .. thanks |
| 14:41.21 | d1b | cinex: lol |
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| 14:41.30 | cinex | its not funny eh |
| 14:41.35 | d1b | cinex: it is so. |
| 14:41.41 | EagleRock | cinex: why wouldn't you just encrypt your connection? |
| 14:41.47 | d1b | why is your laptop connecting to it? |
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| 14:42.05 | cinex | EagleRock: mine is encrypted, but the laptop prefers to auto connect to the unecnrypted. which I dont notice |
| 14:42.12 | linduxed | where can i find up-to-date instructions on setting up a VPN on my server? |
| 14:42.12 | d1b | cinex: rubbish |
| 14:42.15 | d1b | that shouldn't happen |
| 14:42.21 | EagleRock | cinex: yeah, I misread sorry |
| 14:42.22 | cinex | d1b: dunno., it was set to autoconnect and I dont know why |
| 14:42.24 | d1b | cinex: how have you configured networking |
| 14:42.26 | linduxed | everytime i find an article on the subject it's from 2004 or so |
| 14:42.35 | cinex | d1b: how do u mean ? |
| 14:42.35 | linduxed | i would assume that's fairly old |
| 14:42.47 | d1b | cinex: how have you set up your wpa wifi network -> from debian |
| 14:42.55 | d1b | i assume /etc/network/interfaces or wpa supplicant |
| 14:42.56 | cinex | with nm-applet? |
| 14:43.04 | d1b | cinex: there's your problem |
| 14:43.06 | cinex | i use nm-applet within kde |
| 14:43.10 | d1b | just remove the network from nm-applet |
| 14:43.14 | cinex | because knetworkmanger crashed |
| 14:43.15 | wols_ | linduxed: which VPN software? |
| 14:43.22 | d1b | but yes i have see that issue before actually. |
| 14:43.28 | d1b | the new network manager fixes it |
| 14:43.42 | d1b | cinex: alternatively you can use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:43.48 | cinex | but its unencrypted, so someone else - the wife or kid will reset it ot autoconnect. |
| 14:44.01 | d1b | what? |
| 14:44.02 | cinex | i guess |
| 14:44.24 | wols_ | cinex: what debian version is this? cause wife or kid simply don't need root |
| 14:44.29 | d1b | i wish my family used debian. |
| 14:44.31 | wols_ | no root, no way for them to reset anything |
| 14:44.50 | d1b | i can show you an example config for /etc/network/interfaces for wpa networking |
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| 14:45.01 | cinex | they dont have root. the main account (wifes and mine) have sudo but its irrelevant. 'dlink' is still in the list |
| 14:45.24 | cinex | d1b: there is no windows in this whole house :) |
| 14:45.26 | d1b | does you wife know linux?... |
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| 14:45.41 | linduxed | wols_: well i |
| 14:45.43 | cinex | yeah she can use it and install stuff yeah - install it etc |
| 14:46.07 | linduxed | wols_: well I'm not familiar with VPN but i guess OpenVPN is the standard right? |
| 14:46.21 | d1b | fair enough, cinex is this a laptop / used on more than wifi network? |
| 14:46.35 | linduxed | all i want is to create a nice encrypted tunnel from my laptop to my server |
| 14:46.39 | linduxed | that's all |
| 14:46.39 | wols_ | linduxed: no, but openvpn isn't a bad choice |
| 14:46.44 | cinex | its a laptop that primarily uses the home wifi - but it needs to stay mobile. |
| 14:46.52 | d1b | cinex: mm. |
| 14:47.12 | cinex | i suppose locking out the 192.168.0.1/24 wqould screw it on any city hotspot anywya |
| 14:47.14 | wols_ | linduxed: http://www.google.com/search?q=openvpn+lenny Just saw several howtos |
| 14:47.15 | cinex | anyway |
| 14:47.17 | d1b | personally for end-users i tell them to use ubuntu .... has updates firefox and stuff ... |
| 14:47.28 | d1b | like nm-applet works fine in ubuntu. |
| 14:47.30 | wols_ | linduxed: openvpn.org howto isn't bad either. nothing important has changed since then |
| 14:47.34 | cinex | ubuntu got gay and it wont support the screen |
| 14:47.38 | cinex | had to use squeeze |
| 14:47.41 | d1b | oh? |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | !tell cinex about gay |
| 14:47.55 | linduxed | wols_: is openvpn still the way to go or has something changed lately? |
| 14:47.57 | d1b | did you report a bug. |
| 14:48.03 | cinex | i only went to ubuntu because debian had driver issues with my new laptop (which isn't so new anymore) |
| 14:48.12 | cinex | d1b: they know about it. |
| 14:48.14 | wols_ | linduxed: didn't I say openvpn is a good choice? |
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| 14:48.25 | d1b | linduxed: openvpn is good |
| 14:48.35 | d1b | vpn up in <10mins |
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| 14:48.41 | d1b | if you know what your doing. |
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| 14:50.12 | linduxed | wols_: you said it isn't a bad choice :-P |
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| 14:50.31 | unpaidbill | hey guys, anyone know where the MAIL environment variable is set from? |
| 14:51.13 | crash82 | Hello, I'm currently in a problem has I have 2 servers one with the correct = timezones and use the same ntp server but show a difference of 12m in time. Any tips ? The problem was resulted because one of the servers was in a VM and the hostof vms add an incorrect time |
| 14:53.12 | wols_ | crash82: nothing you can do. drifting clocks inside VMs are a known problem |
| 14:53.17 | wols_ | run ntpdate periodically |
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| 14:56.34 | cinex | dpkg: is a bot then |
| 14:56.34 | dpkg | cinex: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:56.39 | cornair | hi |
| 14:57.07 | unpaidbill | so it looks like BASH sets the MAIL variable |
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| 14:57.18 | unpaidbill | and exporting MAILCHECK=-1 doesnt suppress the check of mail on login |
| 14:57.18 | unpaidbill | hmm |
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| 15:00.29 | cinex | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.32 | cinex | 1896 W. C. GORE in Inlander Jan. 147 Get gay, to joke boisterously; to show off; to act âsmartâ. 1899 ADE Fables in Slang 109 The Copper, perceiving that he had come very near getting Gay with our First Families, apologized for Cutting In. 1901 MERWIN & WEBSTER Calumet âKâ xii. 226 He got gay one day. I warned him once, and then I threw him off the distributing floor. 1911 J. F. WILSON Land Claimers vi. 80 And I wouldn't get gay round |
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| 15:05.24 | xover | is the patch version the 4th number or the 3rd? |
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| 15:06.33 | iceroot | xover: depending on the project |
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| 15:09.21 | tonytraductor | well...debian rocks... |
| 15:09.35 | tonytraductor | I figured since I've been in the channel for like an hour, I should say something |
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| 15:09.54 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:12.06 | Mark22 | tonytraductor: I agree with you that debian rocks, we use it for everything where possible (except running KVM) |
| 15:12.12 | Mark22 | somehow I like Debian :) |
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| 15:14.28 | mastro | <wols_> mastro: define "mess the sg0 device" please « i meant "miss" |
| 15:14.35 | mastro | wols_, there is no /dev/sg0 |
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| 15:15.00 | mastro | wols_, but I asked on vmware and they told me it's ok to not have that device (mine is a debian guest on a vmware server) |
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| 15:26.49 | wols_ | mastro: inside a VM there is no real hardware, so debian doesn't access any hardware |
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| 15:27.24 | wols_ | and having shitty IO performance is pretty normal for VMs |
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| 15:27.58 | lcb | hell'all. hi wols_ - the resizing/growing matter of yesterday... as you suggested, i used a live cd (usb in fact - any live media containing gparted, even from other distro), an worked like a charm :) (no need of bad command line entries mistakes, dealing with LVM, etc. gparted did it all correctly with no fuss) |
| 15:27.59 | mastro | wols_, actually other VM works pettry well with IO (red hat). only debian ones have this shitty performance |
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| 15:31.39 | Mark22 | mastro: debian with kvm as virtualisation layer above it is performing very well |
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| 15:33.43 | Mark22 | read: disc speed = speed available, so you get really good performance within a VM if you have good hardware |
| 15:34.09 | cdog69 | ok, in apache... i have my sites-available file setup. I ran a2ensite xxx and the site was enabled i then restarted apache (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart). I would like to make a change to the site, which file do I edit to do that, the available or the enabled? If it is the available, do I need to remove or dissable and reenable and tehn restart apache again? |
| 15:34.42 | mastro | wols_, Mark22 I really don't know exactly but it seems that it should work a lot better than it does |
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| 15:35.28 | Mark22 | cdog69: you can change the available file and after you're done reload (or restart) apache again |
| 15:35.41 | Mark22 | disable/reenable isn't needed |
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| 15:36.17 | Mark22 | mastro: it is possible that you are missing certain kernel options or kernel modules (vmware should be able to provide information about this) |
| 15:36.26 | cdog69 | Mark22: ok so just changing the sites-available file will reset the enabled file after an Apache2 restart? Perfect. Thanks! |
| 15:36.30 | wols_ | mastro: use another hdd controller inside VM then |
| 15:36.38 | wols_ | possibly use another (debian) kernel |
| 15:36.56 | petemc | cdog69: one file is a symlink to the other |
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| 15:37.14 | mastro | Mark22, yes i think the same... but they aren't helping very much... it seems that the driver for that controller is available only for red hat and suse (from lsi web site) |
| 15:37.16 | mike-burns | How do you guys use RC kernels? I bet there's a Debian way that dpkg will tell me about. |
| 15:37.31 | Mark22 | cdog69: the way you did it did create a symlink from the sites-enabled to the sites-available directory (so it is practically the same file) |
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| 15:37.41 | themill | dpkg: tell mike-burns about kernel-package |
| 15:37.41 | wols_ | mike-burns: you mean compile your own kernel from source? |
| 15:37.46 | mike-burns | wols_: Yes. |
| 15:37.57 | mastro | wols_, vmware host tell me that other controller are not recommended for my guest os (debian) |
| 15:37.59 | mike-burns | wols_: I apparently need 2.6.33-rc6. |
| 15:38.16 | Mark22 | mastro: you could try the suse driver within a test environment |
| 15:38.36 | wols_ | mastro: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 15:38.49 | mastro | Mark22, can i convert a suse package to debian? |
| 15:38.57 | wols_ | mastro: no |
| 15:39.19 | wols_ | there is alien, but it's aw ful and will usually destroy your debian. not worth it |
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| 15:39.30 | petemc | harsh |
| 15:39.48 | mastro | wols_, i don't think there is a source code (but i may be wrong) |
| 15:40.06 | wols_ | mastro: of course there. is. kernel.org has it |
| 15:40.37 | wols_ | mastro: source for what exactly |
| 15:41.03 | Mark22 | wols_: he is probably looking for the driver source he needs to use |
| 15:41.15 | Mark22 | mastro: ask lsi or vmware for it |
| 15:41.20 | mastro | wols_, http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/standard_product_ics/scsi_ics/lsi53c1030/index.html |
| 15:41.26 | Zharf | if hidd (from bluez-compat) is deprecated, what am I supposed to use instead if I don't want to use deprecated stuff? |
| 15:41.37 | wols_ | both, suse and debian are GPL based. and VMWare uses the hardware they emulate for a reason: so it's widely compatible and easy to get drivers for |
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| 15:46.36 | Mark22 | you should ask vmware for drivers if you need it, we use virtio drivers where possible (best performance) |
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| 15:54.04 | Mark22 | 100%[===================================================================================================================>] 104,857,600 66.6M/s in 1.5s << from 1 VM to another VM on the same host, the speed is acceptable for us |
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| 15:59.04 | Zesturian | Hmm, if you dd netcat clone one raided machine's drive with raid level 5 to another machine with raid level 10, does that cause issues with the raid level? |
| 15:59.19 | petemc | the raid isnt visible to the os |
| 15:59.27 | petemc | (for the most part) |
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| 15:59.32 | Zesturian | So that would work without an issue? |
| 15:59.51 | petemc | well, theres a few other gotchas |
| 15:59.58 | Zesturian | Do share? :p |
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| 16:00.30 | G__81 | whats the official channel for debian freebsd ? |
| 16:00.47 | petemc | Zesturian: using dd you'll have to resize partition tables unless you want to lose space, and you'll need to install a bootloader |
| 16:01.04 | petemc | and probably other things i cant think of off the top of my head |
| 16:01.16 | themill | dpkg: tell G__81 about kfreebsd |
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| 16:03.53 | Zesturian | Hmm, petemc, the machine has a separate boot drive which isn't within the raid, it's a NAS so only the storage part is raided, bootloader wouldn't be needed in that instance would it? What if I skipped the first 512 bytes to jump over the mbr? |
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| 16:04.06 | petemc | Zesturian: my experience is cloning drives isnt worth the bother unless they're identical |
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| 16:05.29 | Zesturian | petemc, the dilemma is there's millions of files so doing an rsync is going to take hours just to build the index before it even starts the transfer, want to minimise downtime, any suggestions? |
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| 16:08.31 | petemc | Zesturian: i have in the past use tar and ssh, but why does there need to be downtime? keep old box running til you have data copied to new box |
| 16:09.42 | petemc | http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/syncsystems.pl.txt is a script i used to use years ago |
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| 16:10.34 | Zesturian | petemc, heck of a lot of io usage on this machine as it is, it's part of webserver so I imagine of the with all the reads copying the files across, it'll crawl |
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| 16:11.54 | petemc | well, crawl is better then down completely, no? |
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| 16:12.24 | Zesturian | You and I would think so, but the users wouldn't think so :-p |
| 16:12.40 | themill | petemc: system("cp /root/known_hosts /root/.ssh"); once more for good measure :) |
| 16:12.52 | Zesturian | Thanks for the script, so just fork processes, I see. |
| 16:12.55 | cdog69 | can someone take a looksee at my configuration attempt for mailman: http://pastebin.com/d34a6e066 |
| 16:12.57 | cdog69 | I cannot seem to get the domain to resolve properly. When I go to http://lists.xxx.org/mailman/ I receive a file not found... what am I missing? |
| 16:13.27 | petemc | themill: :) that script worked for a good while before it occured to me to use rsync |
| 16:13.33 | vyrgozunqk | guys is there any way to use Textured Video in VLC, and not Overlay ? |
| 16:13.35 | themill | hehe |
| 16:14.24 | vyrgozunqk | i looked everywhere in the options section, but can't find anything |
| 16:14.27 | Zesturian | A threaded rsync would be nice, multiple directories at once |
| 16:14.46 | petemc | Zesturian: newer rsync is certainly an improvement |
| 16:16.22 | Zesturian | What pops up in it petemc? Looking over release news, nothing jumps out at me |
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| 16:17.55 | petemc | Zesturian: rsync 3 was a big improvement over previous versions |
| 16:18.37 | cdog69 | can someone take a looksee at my configuration attempt for mailman: http://pastebin.com/d34a6e066 |
| 16:18.38 | cdog69 | When I go to http://lists.xxx.org/mailman/ I receive a file not found... I believe it has something to do with the scriptaliases and default URLs (the default (lists.xxx.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/mailman) was working and was showing me mailman administration. When I went to attempt to change it to lists.xxx.org/mailman, everything has failed and I am recieving file not found issues. Any help? |
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| 16:20.09 | OldMonk | trying to net install debian on an intel S5520HC from LAN. server is also debian. the ethernet chipset is 82575EB, which is supposed to work with driver igb.ko; however, igb is not part of etherboot. how would one boot this system into an install over PXE? |
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| 16:23.35 | OldMonk | alternatively, what's an easy way to get a bootable debian installer with the latest drivers onto a usb stick? |
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| 16:23.58 | SirStan2 | Does debian have a command line network configuration tool>? |
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| 16:24.34 | petemc | SirStan2: no |
| 16:24.35 | themill | SirStan2: yes, "editor /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 16:24.48 | SirStan2 | themill: your sarcasm is dually noted. |
| 16:24.51 | SirStan2 | petermc: thank you. |
| 16:24.58 | OldMonk | SirStan2: a set of them, starting with ifconfig and moving on to the iproute2 family of commands and more esoteric stuff like iwconfig for wifi |
| 16:25.28 | mmj____ | Hi, I've some problems with my tablet pc. Udev don't reports the serial tablet to the X-Server. Does anybody know according to which rules input devices are reported to the X-Server by udev? |
| 16:25.52 | SirStan2 | OldMonk: You clearly know what I was refering to, your misdirection to individual tools is not helpful, but I hope it fulfilled your day in some way. |
| 16:26.04 | OldMonk | SirStan2: huh? |
| 16:26.10 | SirStan2 | What is the 'network' field for in interfaces? |
| 16:26.16 | SirStan2 | I have a /28 .. |
| 16:26.30 | SirStan2 | should it be x.x.x.96 ? |
| 16:26.30 | OldMonk | SirStan2: ipcalc |
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| 16:27.06 | OldMonk | unless that's considered misdirection too |
| 16:27.28 | SirStan2 | If the network field is for ipcalc, then no, thank you. |
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| 16:28.09 | OldMonk | getting back to making a bootable usb debian install, any leads? |
| 16:28.29 | linhis | sound less on debian lenny for over 2 motnhs now |
| 16:28.37 | linhis | tried every alsa trick i found out |
| 16:28.39 | linhis | :( |
| 16:28.53 | linhis | still no sound |
| 16:28.57 | linhis | :( |
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| 16:29.24 | cahoot | linhis: any error from speaker-test -t wav -c2? |
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| 16:30.16 | linhis | cant see any error |
| 16:30.22 | OldMonk | zerohero: if you're referring to unetbootin then it stops at some stage in booting for me. |
| 16:30.31 | cahoot | linhis: but silence? |
| 16:30.33 | OldMonk | er, that was meant for Zesturian |
| 16:30.35 | linhis | yaa |
| 16:31.07 | cahoot | linhis: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (then speaker-test again) |
| 16:31.19 | linhis | ok |
| 16:32.04 | linhis | same thing |
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| 16:32.21 | cahoot | linhis: put the output of cat /proc/asound/cards on a pastebin |
| 16:32.29 | linhis | ok |
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| 16:35.09 | linhis | cahoot:http://pastebin.com/d1d3abb49 |
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| 16:35.23 | linhis | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/d1d3abb49 |
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| 16:37.29 | cahoot | linhis: no confounding devices there. does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* (as root) show any occupant? |
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| 16:38.25 | linhis | i can see a /dev/snd/controlC0: hisam 3721 F.... kmix |
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| 16:38.44 | cahoot | no artsd or esd? |
| 16:38.56 | themill | or iceweasel (flash) |
| 16:39.01 | cahoot | right |
| 16:39.57 | linhis | noo |
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| 16:40.38 | linhis | and ders a |
| 16:40.39 | linhis | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: hisam 3767 F...m firefox-bin |
| 16:40.41 | linhis | /dev/snd/timer: hisam 3767 f.... firefox-bin |
| 16:40.46 | themill | bingo |
| 16:41.26 | cahoot | linhis: so close ff and try speaker-test again |
| 16:41.38 | linhis | ok |
| 16:41.45 | linhis | i'm on chatzilla |
| 16:41.52 | cahoot | tough luck |
| 16:41.53 | themill | yeah, was about to say that... |
| 16:41.54 | linhis | i will have to close that too right ?? |
| 16:42.00 | linhis | ;) |
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| 16:42.46 | DuClare | Yes, of course. |
| 16:42.47 | cahoot | linhis: there are alternatives - like xchat |
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| 16:43.06 | themill | linhis: or konversation, since you're using kde |
| 16:43.48 | linhis | noo konversation |
| 16:44.07 | linhis | noo xchat |
| 16:44.26 | cahoot | ? |
| 16:44.33 | OldMonk | anyway you don't need irc open to check if sound is working |
| 16:44.39 | linhis | :D |
| 16:44.43 | linhis | ya i will be back |
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| 16:45.17 | themill | threat or promise? |
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| 16:46.47 | linhis | back! |
| 16:46.51 | linhis | back |
| 16:46.56 | linhis | same thing |
| 16:47.02 | linhis | silence |
| 16:47.46 | cahoot | linhis: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* (as root) shows only kmix now? |
| 16:48.02 | linhis | yaa only /dev/snd/controlC0: hisam 3721 F.... kmix |
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| 16:49.16 | cahoot | linhis: just make really sure it's unmuted run alsamixer and see PCM/master is marked 00 (not MM) |
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| 16:49.33 | linhis | as root ?? |
| 16:49.38 | cahoot | linhis: no matter |
| 16:49.44 | bododo | hi all :) |
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| 16:50.04 | cahoot | linhis: also see if there's a dedicated entry for speaker to toggle |
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| 16:50.12 | linhis | ok |
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| 16:50.22 | bododo | guys, I have this strange pb with some apps that can't access /tmp/dbus_xxx files (like firefox, gimp...) |
| 16:50.28 | bododo | (I'm on sid) |
| 16:50.45 | chops | bododo: Checked the BTS (for dbus and those apps)? |
| 16:51.04 | bododo | chops: BTS? |
| 16:51.08 | linhis | cahoot:nothing dedicated for speaker |
| 16:51.11 | chops | !tell bododo about bts |
| 16:51.43 | linhis | theres a master,pcm,mic,digital, |
| 16:51.59 | bododo | !tell bododo about BTS |
| 16:52.04 | cahoot | linhis: PCM/master is marked 00 (not MM)? |
| 16:52.12 | linhis | yaa 00 |
| 16:52.14 | bododo | oy, bot! need some coffee? :) |
| 16:52.21 | cahoot | linhis: try toggle digital |
| 16:52.35 | linhis | theres no space for 00 under pcm |
| 16:52.42 | linhis | only under master its there |
| 16:52.45 | cahoot | ok |
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| 16:54.55 | linhis | toggling digital cahoot |
| 16:55.20 | babilen | !tell linhis -about alsa checklist |
| 16:55.34 | babilen | linhis: check the other points dpkg told you about. |
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| 16:55.50 | babilen | linhis: and we like cahoot to be digital :-D |
| 16:56.01 | babilen | err, analog :-\ |
| 16:56.14 | cahoot | linhis: if this is a newish hda-intel it might be you need a newer alsa than the one provided by the lenny kernel |
| 16:56.23 | linhis | babilen:dpkg ?? |
| 16:56.29 | babilen | !alsa checklist |
| 16:56.29 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 16:56.32 | babilen | linhis: ^^^ |
| 16:56.42 | linhis | cahoot: ya mine is a new dell inspiron |
| 16:56.49 | karlpinc | !tell linhis about dpkg |
| 16:56.51 | cahoot | linhis: lspci -nn | grep Audio |
| 16:56.58 | babilen | linhis: can you paste the output of 'lspci -nn' somewhere? |
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| 16:57.16 | linhis | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 03) |
| 16:57.24 | themill | , pciid 8086:293e |
| 16:57.25 | judd | [8086:293e] is '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:293e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:58.15 | babilen | linhis: what about the rest of the checklist? (audio group in particular) |
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| 16:59.19 | cahoot | babilen: I think we've covered those |
| 16:59.24 | themill | wonders if this might be one for #alsa |
| 16:59.25 | linhis | yaa i'm in the audio group |
| 16:59.42 | babilen | alright :-) (late to the party) |
| 16:59.44 | linhis | should i uninstall alsa and install a new one |
| 16:59.50 | gekko_ | hi, i just set up a few new rules in my firewall. could anyone try to access my ftp server? 131.159.50.229 thanks |
| 16:59.53 | cahoot | no need uninstall |
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| 17:00.25 | cahoot | linhis: I'd try a newer kernel like from backports |
| 17:02.13 | linhis | links that will help me do that ?? |
| 17:02.18 | babilen | !backports |
| 17:02.18 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 17:04.18 | babilen | linhis: Follow the instructions given on backports.org and 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64' (or -i386) |
| 17:04.40 | themill | s/i386/-686/ |
| 17:04.51 | linhis | ok will try |
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| 17:04.57 | babilen | laughs |
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| 17:07.11 | linhis | only 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64' will do ?? |
| 17:07.13 | linhis | ;) |
| 17:07.50 | babilen | linhis: If you followed the instructions --> yes. If not --> no |
| 17:07.57 | babilen | !bpo |
| 17:07.58 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 17:08.10 | babilen | linhis: ^^^ |
| 17:08.27 | themill | and presuming you want an amd64 kernel |
| 17:09.09 | linhis | i'm on i-386, intel |
| 17:10.20 | babilen | it is 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686' then |
| 17:10.26 | themill | linhis: so after following dpkg's instructions, "aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686" |
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| 17:10.49 | linhis | okkies |
| 17:10.54 | linhis | lemme try now |
| 17:11.01 | babilen | we will ;-) |
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| 17:13.43 | linhis | added to sources.list |
| 17:13.49 | M2j | well, as IRC seems to behave strange: can someone answer, so I know, that my massage was send correctly? |
| 17:14.04 | linhis | did an update |
| 17:14.06 | babilen | M2j: answer what? |
| 17:14.23 | beardy | M2j: Which message? |
| 17:14.26 | M2j | babilen: Thanks |
| 17:14.42 | linhis | and now this "aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 17:14.46 | linhis | right?? |
| 17:14.47 | themill | M2j: you can always "/msg dpkg test" |
| 17:14.54 | themill | !test |
| 17:14.55 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 17:15.11 | babilen | linhis: yes |
| 17:15.33 | babilen | linhis: (have you updated and installed the keyring?) |
| 17:15.40 | M2j | themill: OK. I've the problem, that I can't post on #xorg |
| 17:15.40 | linduxed | i want to do "mv directory_foo/* directory_bar/". foo contains non-empty directories so mv refuses to proceed |
| 17:15.51 | linduxed | any way to force it to move and use overwrites? |
| 17:15.57 | linhis | is updating right now |
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| 17:16.34 | linhis | did not install keyring |
| 17:16.39 | linhis | is that necessary ?? |
| 17:16.43 | babilen | yes |
| 17:16.57 | themill | M2j: #xorg is not allowing unidentified users to speak. "/msg nickserv help register" or /join #freenode for more details. |
| 17:17.13 | linhis | apt-get install debian-backports-keyring ?? |
| 17:17.45 | karlpinc | linduxed: I suggest reading the mv man page for and see what -r does. |
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| 17:17.52 | OldMonk | linduxed: mv will move directories unles the same directories exist in the target |
| 17:17.54 | M2j | themill: Well, this explains much |
| 17:18.19 | babilen | linhis: yes |
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| 17:19.03 | linhis | babilen:keyring install before the "aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686" install, right?? |
| 17:19.30 | babilen | linhis: while True: linhis: yes |
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| 17:20.07 | linhis | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 17:20.10 | linhis | You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that |
| 17:20.11 | linhis | this is what you want to do. |
| 17:20.11 | linhis | i'm going with this |
| 17:20.25 | themill | babilen: heh... can tell you're a python person... |
| 17:20.30 | babilen | linhis: yes - you want to accept it *for that package* |
| 17:20.32 | linhis | started....... |
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| 17:21.43 | babilen | themill: hehe - but not exclusively |
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| 17:22.15 | karlpinc | OldMonk: Yes. I am stupid today. |
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| 17:25.27 | smacnay | how do I determine my default "tmp" dir? |
| 17:27.47 | babilen | smacnay: /tmp ? |
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| 17:28.19 | smacnay | babilen, is there a default setting for this for each user? |
| 17:28.49 | smacnay | my icedove is not allowing me to send multiple attachments with an error message telling me to check my temporary directory setting |
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| 17:32.06 | babilen | smacnay: I guess that it is rather related to icedove - Can you create files within /tmp ? Do you get any detailed error output? |
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| 17:32.18 | linhis | babilen: started installing. thats all i have to do, right?? nothing after that ?? |
| 17:32.50 | babilen | linhis: you have to reboot and choose the new kernel |
| 17:33.19 | smacnay | babilen, none |
| 17:34.03 | babilen | linhis: In the end of the instruction page on backports is detailes how you enable automatic upgrades for packages from backports. You might want to consider configuring that too |
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| 17:35.26 | linduxed | OldMonk: that explains why it refuses |
| 17:35.41 | linduxed | OldMonk: but doesn't solve the problem |
| 17:36.04 | linduxed | OldMonk: as far as i can see, mv doesn't have an option for doing what i want |
| 17:36.31 | OldMonk | linduxed: you may want to consider rsync between the directories then |
| 17:36.46 | linduxed | OldMonk: good idea |
| 17:37.10 | OldMonk | but rsync will overwrite files unles you specifically tell it not to |
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| 17:37.51 | linduxed | OldMonk: ill check with #rsync then |
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| 17:38.15 | OldMonk | man rsync is another option... oh, he left |
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| 17:46.07 | pngwn | eaglewatch, I thought you turned that off |
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| 17:51.32 | pm2 | Hi - I'm trying to configure darkice to capture audio from my soundcard, which is managed using ALSA. I need to specify the soundcard device using the format "hwplug:X,Y" -- how can I determine the correct values of X and Y? |
| 17:53.23 | cahoot | pm2: look into /proc/asound/devices |
| 17:53.39 | pm2 | thanks |
| 17:54.21 | cahoot | pm2: aplay -l might be easier |
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| 17:55.16 | pm2 | cahoot: aplay -l only seems to show playback devices, as opposed to capture devices |
| 17:55.47 | cahoot | pm2: arecord -l ? |
| 17:56.01 | pm2 | cahoot: cool, thanks |
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| 17:57.49 | cahoot | pm2: just curious - got more than one soundcard? |
| 17:58.04 | pm2 | cahoot: yes |
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| 17:58.16 | cahoot | ok |
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| 17:59.42 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:03.08 | karlpinc | s/it's/its/ |
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| 18:10.52 | pm2 | cahoot: I'm still having some trouble... arecord -l shows c"ard 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog]", so I set my device to plughw:0.0, but I get an error: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1240:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
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| 18:12.44 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.37 | cahoot | pm2: try , instead of . |
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| 18:18.37 | chot | hi |
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| 18:19.34 | chot | i've got some kind of problem with bash or ssh; some keys don't work as they should, for example pressing the up arrow just prints ^[[A and tab doesn't work, anybody got any idea what might be wrong? |
| 18:19.49 | chronos | how I update from debian 4.0 to debian 5.0.3 without reinstalling system? |
| 18:20.28 | OldMonk | chot: what's the output of: echo $TERM |
| 18:20.49 | chot | xterm |
| 18:21.34 | cornair | chronos: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:21.41 | OldMonk | chot: and are you in an xterm? |
| 18:21.50 | chronos | just it cornair ? |
| 18:22.12 | chot | OldMonk: i'm not sure what an xterm is but i'm in a normal ssh window (putty) |
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| 18:22.20 | cornair | before that, do a apt-get update, and be sure, you have ftp-servers enabled in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:22.21 | NoCode | hmm, so I've made a new profile in Firefox, and stopped being slow, and stopped hanging. But, now to see if it does so with the addons I want |
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| 18:24.39 | bigzed | Can someone help with the installation of ruby-debug? I have installed ruby-1.9.1 from source on my debian lenny machine and now i need the developement headers from ruby but how i install them? |
| 18:24.41 | chops | chot: Do you have anything in .bash_profile or anything that sets TERM? |
| 18:24.51 | chops | bigzed: What do you mean "from source"? |
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| 18:25.20 | chops | chot: In general things should just work (TM) unless you've overridden the terminal setting in your putty config or are overriding TERM when your shell starts |
| 18:26.32 | j_laux | `/join #osx86 |
| 18:26.37 | jkprg | bigzed: You can skip dependency to ruby-dev while you have them from source in /usr/local |
| 18:26.45 | j_laux | sorry about that |
| 18:27.02 | chot | chops: i ran a grep -i 'xterm' * and for 'TERM' in my ~ but neither showed up anything, any my putty config should be alright as i use it for school and it works fine there (and i've never changed anything like that) |
| 18:27.13 | bigzed | i have downloaded the sources of ruby-1.9.1 and then executed './configure && make && make install' |
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| 18:27.36 | jkprg | bigzed: or you can uninstall ruby installed from source and install from deb pkg |
| 18:27.47 | sshc | hi, I keep getting annoying emails from somebody's crontab and I'd like to know which user's crontab it is so that I can disable it |
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| 18:28.11 | sshc | is it possible to edit everybody's crontab one after another so I can check every user's? |
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| 18:28.17 | bigzed | jkprg: but the version of the deb pkg is not up-to-date enough for rails-2.3.5 |
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| 18:29.29 | jkprg | bigzed: you can try to install ruby-1.9.1 from sid while you have lenny. (depends on what other packages you need) |
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| 18:30.05 | bigzed | jkprg: i need ruby, rubygems and all the libs for ruby-1.9.1 |
| 18:30.28 | chot | chops: i've look through .bashrc, .profile .screenrc and .ssh and none of them seems to set TERM to xterm :( |
| 18:30.29 | jkprg | bigzed: btw why do you need devel pkg? |
| 18:30.31 | cornair | sshc: what is in the header of this email? |
| 18:30.42 | StarG | just a random thought: backports.org repo ? |
| 18:30.44 | bigzed | jkprg: how do i add the sid repository to install ruby without compromising the rest of the installed packages? |
| 18:31.06 | abrotman | sshc: what's the output? that should be helpful |
| 18:31.25 | StarG | well if you add bleeding edge repo's it will "poison" your package list & dependencies |
| 18:31.31 | bolt | is grubreboot in squeeze? can't find it |
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| 18:31.46 | jkprg | bigzed: you can add sid repo into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:32.07 | StarG | better to add backports.org repository to minimize dependencies crawl |
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| 18:32.37 | bolt | !tell jkprg about ssb |
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| 18:32.56 | cornair | chot: which version of putty you're using? |
| 18:33.13 | bigzed | ok i try backports.org |
| 18:33.15 | bigzed | thanks |
| 18:33.16 | jkprg | bigzed: but you should take care of it because then apt will want to upgrade all packages to sid. So you should set priority in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:33.16 | chot | oh i found the problem |
| 18:33.16 | sshc | cornair: abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1f23801 |
| 18:33.28 | chot | i was running sh instead of bash :) |
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| 18:33.34 | eclugtesting | hi |
| 18:33.37 | k-t\ | ;-| ... fglrx not supported by xorg-7.5 -> downgrade required |
| 18:33.59 | k-t\ | ;-( |
| 18:34.30 | jkprg | bigzed: think about if you need headers from pkg system because you already have them installed from source tarball in /usr/local/include |
| 18:34.31 | iluminator101 | Hi, My laptop monitor flickers on debian squeeze 2.6.32-trunk-686, i have Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:34.36 | cornair | sshc: this comes from the system crontab, have a look in the following dirs /etc/cron.d/ and /etc/cron.daily/ etc. how often this email is coming? daily or weeky? |
| 18:34.50 | cornair | chot: ^^ |
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| 18:35.10 | abrotman | sshc: grep -R /var/spool/ php4 .. or grep -R /etc/cron* php4 |
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| 18:38.02 | roe_ | does anyone know how to get ntop to start with -W 3000 instead of -w 3000 in the debian init script? |
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| 18:39.10 | iluminator101_ | Hi my debian squeeze 2.6.32 laptop screen flickers, i have Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:39.10 | iluminator101_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.16 | cornair | iluminator101_: is fixed in the latest upstream kernels. but you should look at the kernel mailing list / or on bugs.freedesktop.org |
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| 18:41.41 | iluminator101_ | i cant open my browser screen blanks out and dies |
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| 18:44.02 | cornair | iluminator101_: which graphiccard do you use? |
| 18:44.27 | iluminator101_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.58 | cahoot | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25681 - related? iluminator101_ |
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| 18:47.14 | iluminator101_ | So how do i should turn kms off |
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| 18:47.15 | rolsworth | i am thinking about trying this out but one thing i don't understand is why there are 32 iso cd |
| 18:47.29 | cornair | cahoot: do you know, if the i915 graphicsdriver have also a module option to disable the kms part? I have only a radeon, where I can switch KMS off. of course for the illuminator |
| 18:47.31 | rolsworth | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:48.10 | cahoot | options i915 modeset== I suppose |
| 18:48.18 | cahoot | options i915 modeset=0 I suppose |
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| 18:49.01 | cornair | iluminator: try to add this in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg: |
| 18:49.01 | cornair | linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.33-rc6 i915..modeset=0 |
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| 18:49.48 | cornair | or to add this in the /etc/modules |
| 18:49.49 | cornair | i915 modeset = 0 |
| 18:50.16 | cornair | i915.modeset=0 in grub.cfg I mean (with one dot only) |
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| 18:53.09 | iluminator101_ | k on where on grub.cfg like this /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686 root=UUID=a1eb69d1-34f2-4669-aee1-e601d12554a4 ro quiet i915.modeset=0 |
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| 18:55.45 | cornair | iluminator101_: looks good, restart and report if this was helping |
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| 18:56.53 | iluminator101_ | thanks i will report back in a bit |
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| 18:57.01 | rolsworth | so no one can help me out? |
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| 18:58.13 | cornair | rolsworth: whats your prob? |
| 18:58.32 | rolsworth | why are there 32 cd images |
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| 18:58.52 | rolsworth | do i need them all to install this? |
| 18:58.57 | cusco_ | no |
| 18:58.58 | mike-burns | rolsworth: Install the first one. |
| 18:59.05 | mike-burns | rolsworth: Use the netinst if you can. |
| 18:59.05 | cusco_ | you can download the netinstall one |
| 18:59.10 | cusco_ | about 64mb |
| 18:59.12 | cornair | rolsworth: download a netinstall, this is small and the basic system containing, ready to install the rest you w3ant from inet, but you CAN also download all 5/6dvds or all32 cds |
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| 18:59.30 | cusco_ | or only the first cd |
| 18:59.41 | yagoo | rolsworth, just download the first cd |
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| 19:00.15 | rolsworth | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ so just get the first cd from there then |
| 19:00.29 | cornair | rolsworth: you only need all , if you want to be able to install everything from cd/dvd where you are not able to connect to internet |
| 19:00.31 | rolsworth | why exactly are there 31 cds |
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| 19:00.50 | mguy | You gotta put 23,000 packages somewhere |
| 19:00.53 | iluminator101 | It seem to have worked thanks cornair |
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| 19:01.02 | yagoo | rolsworth, why 1 bit more do you always have to complain |
| 19:01.10 | cornair | iluminator101: np, you're welcome |
| 19:01.11 | iluminator101 | thanks cahoot |
| 19:01.36 | rolsworth | so the packages cannot be downloaded individually like ubuntu? |
| 19:01.48 | mguy | after you install you can apt-get install packagex |
| 19:01.56 | iluminator101 | Also how do i turn off Advanced Power Management permanently ? |
| 19:02.12 | linhis | cahoot:got sound. :D |
| 19:02.20 | linhis | thanks for that |
| 19:02.27 | yagoo | iluminator101, google noapm kernel bootline, it may not be noapm |
| 19:02.28 | cornair | rolsworth:you can, but for THOSE, who cannot , have the ability to use these 32 cds (cause they have no internet or no dvd device) |
| 19:02.36 | linhis | but now my wifi is not working |
| 19:02.37 | linhis | :( |
| 19:03.03 | rolsworth | that's all i wanted to know. thank you |
| 19:03.09 | magikid | I'm trying to get a VPN setup on my server and when I'm configuring iptables to allow masquerading, it gives me this: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. Any ideas/ |
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| 19:04.23 | cornair | magikid: iptables -t nat <and your rule here> |
| 19:04.34 | Miouge | Does using a bigmeme kernel can be dangerous ? |
| 19:04.35 | cornair | magikid: wrong table used or module not loaded |
| 19:04.44 | magikid | this is the command I've given it: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:04.50 | sparr | for the ~fourth time in as many years I am again saddened by the loss of XMMS from debian :( |
| 19:05.04 | Miouge | outch, "is it dangerous to use a bigmem kernel", would be better english i guess :D |
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| 19:11.41 | keith4 | rm -rf doesn't follow symlinks, right? |
| 19:11.57 | iluminator101 | thanks yagoo you were right noapm |
| 19:12.37 | yagoo | iluminator101, np |
| 19:13.34 | yagoo | keith4, you can read up on the default of how symlinks are treated with the manual page |
| 19:14.18 | iluminator101 | So while we are it, I might as well get all my ducks in a row, my home when i try to open it You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "iluminator101". |
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| 19:15.00 | keith4 | yagoo: nice try buddy, but that's not true at all |
| 19:15.11 | iluminator101 | i had /home from the previous install in separate partition i dont know how this came out |
| 19:15.34 | yagoo | keith4, i made no statement, i dont know what you mean |
| 19:15.40 | keith4 | yagoo: the man page for 'rm' makes no mention, whatsoever, of symlinks. thanks for playing though |
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| 19:15.46 | Gabriel1 | What's wrong with linux live cds in certain computers? Here all of them takes so much time to load, all printing the same error: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block... |
| 19:15.50 | yagoo | keith4, well google |
| 19:15.58 | iluminator101 | ls -l -rw-r--r-- 1 iluminator101 iluminator101 which is strange |
| 19:16.24 | keith4 | yagoo: if you don't know, you don't have to write anything |
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| 19:16.59 | iluminator101 | can someone paste ls -l in their home folder so i could see what it should look like |
| 19:17.27 | kanobe | iluminator101: Heh, you don't have execute on the directory |
| 19:17.33 | kanobe | iluminator101: So you can't cd into it |
| 19:17.51 | kanobe | iluminator101: drwxr-xr-x 56 kanobe kanobe 4096 2010-02-04 13:08 kanobe |
| 19:18.04 | kanobe | iluminator101: Hmm, and it doesn't look like a directory either... |
| 19:18.09 | ChaozZBubi | dirs shoul have +x °_° |
| 19:18.12 | yagoo | keith4, well you're supposed to check the manpage. |
| 19:18.13 | ChaozZBubi | +d |
| 19:18.20 | nejucomo | Hi, I cannot seem to get aptitude searches to work as specified in the docs. Why doesn't this show any output: aptitude search '~D[depends:]gcc-4\.1' |
| 19:18.27 | keith4 | yagoo: right. but as we already covered... it's not in the manpage |
| 19:18.59 | keith4 | yagoo: just go back to whatever it is you're doing, and forget i asked. don't worry about it |
| 19:19.05 | yagoo | keith4, so you can baby along, or not be afraid of doing a test delete. I wonder how brave you really are. |
| 19:19.21 | nejucomo | Also, I don't understand why this fails: |
| 19:19.22 | nejucomo | $ aptitude search '?depends(gcc-4\.1)' |
| 19:19.22 | nejucomo | E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression |
| 19:19.23 | iluminator101 | how can i change it so it would look correct, last time tried to change it back it didnt work |
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| 19:20.37 | mike-burns | iluminator101: My homedir is: chmod 755 /usr/home/mike |
| 19:21.00 | yagoo | iluminator101, who's kanobe? |
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| 19:23.08 | iluminator101 | So wait how would recursively change permission of my folder chown -R owner:iluminator101 /home/iluminator101 would that be right??? |
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| 19:24.06 | iluminator101 | and then chmod 755 /home/iluminator101 ??? |
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| 19:25.11 | smacnay | don't know why but deluge is far faster than transmission for me... must be my settings |
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| 19:26.35 | smacnay | is there an icedove channel? I am getting an error when trying to attach multiple files to a message (using the "send to" option in XFCE Thunar). The icedove error asks me to check my "Temporary Directory" settings. A little cryptic for me. |
| 19:26.55 | wols_ | should be /tmp |
| 19:27.10 | wols_ | could it be that those attachments are very large? several hundred MB? |
| 19:27.22 | cornair | smacnay: and check the permissions of /tmp |
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| 19:27.42 | smacnay | wols_, no, these were around 125 kb each |
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| 19:28.14 | simonrvn | now there's a nick i haven't seen in months |
| 19:29.16 | smacnay | cornair, I can touch a file in /tmp with no problem. tmp is root:root but rwx by all |
| 19:29.29 | smacnay | Could icedove be trying to use a different dir? |
| 19:29.31 | mkl1525 | Hi, was anybody of you able to install VMware Server 2 on squeeze? my installation breaks because of a double function declaration http://pastebin.com/d744b0c7c |
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| 19:29.42 | smacnay | Or is the passing of files done by thunar? |
| 19:29.44 | Gnewt | I have a currently running Ubuntu system with LVM. I'd like to install on a new partition and turn my existing Ubuntu install into /home (delete all my other directories, mv /home/* /). I only have SSH access... |
| 19:29.50 | Gnewt | What's the best way to do this? |
| 19:29.52 | simonrvn | should be drwxrwxrwt smacnay |
| 19:29.52 | Gnewt | Debootstrap? |
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| 19:30.35 | Gnewt | Ahh gotta go, back soon. If someone answers my question I can check the hilights later. |
| 19:31.29 | cornair | smacnay: single upload works, but no multi upload? can you try another filemanager? like nautilus or with kfm (kde) ? |
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| 19:33.20 | smacnay | cornair, sure |
| 19:34.49 | smacnay | cornair, in Nautilus, none of the files get set up in the attachments box |
| 19:35.17 | smacnay | simonrvn, sorry, that is what it is, exactly. |
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| 19:44.43 | cornair | smacnay: hmm I cannot help you for now, did you try another email client? |
| 19:45.17 | smacnay | cornair, not for this error - I think evo was working but evo also ate my entire database of contacts. |
| 19:45.26 | smacnay | so I take my chances with icedove |
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| 19:49.59 | NoReflex | hey guys! what do you think would be a good block size for a RAID 0 array which will only hold a 90-100 GB database - the two disks are SCSI 73 GB 15kRPM |
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| 19:54.15 | yagoo | NoReflex, the size of your salary :) |
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| 19:54.45 | NoReflex | 1024k? :P |
| 19:54.48 | smacnay | is there a default setting for users' "temporary directory"? I am guessing /tmp but how do I check? |
| 19:55.17 | cornair | smacnay: ask /write the icedove people for some hints |
| 19:55.19 | wols_ | there is no standard one except /tmp |
| 19:55.21 | NoReflex | yagoo: may I ask were you're from? UK? |
| 19:55.28 | wols_ | use ftrace for example to check what the app wants to do |
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| 19:55.46 | smacnay | ok, thanks |
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| 19:57.02 | NoReflex | wols_: isn't it strace? |
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| 19:57.39 | TimRiker | ~1+1 |
| 19:57.40 | apt | 1+1 is probably 3 for large values of 1 |
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| 20:03.49 | mand | hi |
| 20:04.26 | mand | is it possible to hard link a socket to somewhere else? i'd like to make a chrooted daemon access mysql via socket |
| 20:05.20 | dondelelcaro | mand: yes, but generally you have whatever it is make multiple sockets |
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| 20:05.49 | cornair | smacnay: strace is a good idea to find out what is happening while running this icedove. but which version of icedove you're using? |
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| 20:06.22 | dondelelcaro | mand: you can use bindmount or similar if you want |
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| 20:06.41 | mand | dondelelcaro: ah, ok, thanks a lot, i'll try that |
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| 20:07.32 | cornair | smacnay: is this related to you ? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474566 |
| 20:07.40 | mebus | Hi! Does anyone know where I can find a shorewall6 .deb for Lenny ? |
| 20:07.56 | taras | hi. after I've used airodump-ng and such and doing ram or hdd sleep I get this http://pastebin.com/d52ca6151 |
| 20:08.24 | dondelelcaro | mand: the alternative is to connect to localhost |
| 20:08.32 | taras | what means NO-CARRIER? how can I reset my wifi card w/o reboot? |
| 20:08.38 | esteeven | myp2p.eu |
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| 20:09.12 | esteeven | oops |
| 20:09.14 | taras | sometimes I get something like 551: wmaster0: <> |
| 20:09.19 | Brack10 | is it possible to use apt to install one single package from "sid"? |
| 20:09.36 | taras | and it writes phyXYZ: Reset timeout! in syslog |
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| 20:10.23 | jair | hello guys. I have been doing some google research about installing debian lenny 5.0.3 64bit in a Xseries 3850m2 server from IBM this is a four sockets cpu server but each cpu has six cores. The total of logical cpus is 24. I will start booting debian now, but I am sure I may need to add some kernel parameters to use all the cores and cpus? |
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| 20:14.24 | jair | the xseries 3850m2 comes with four sockets I have in each processor six cores = 24 and 256GB memory. I want to use this server as my kvm server... |
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| 20:16.31 | guysoft42 | hi all, is there a way to get java working on iceweasel? it seems to be broken for me |
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| 20:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | guysoft42: javascript works fine here, don't know about full-blown java. |
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| 20:19.49 | guysoft42 | jhutchins_lt, i ment java plugin, not javascript.. not the same thing at all |
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| 20:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | guysoft42: A test example of a URL that "doesn't work" might be useful. |
| 20:20.18 | jair | here is the error I am getting when I try to install debian =( http://yfrog.com/htkvmlinux1p |
| 20:20.37 | guysoft42 | jhutchins, hang on , restarting after adding a symbolic link.. will give you a link in a sec |
| 20:21.11 | guysoft42 | jhutchins_lt, http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/18/18.06/javademo/Eigen/ |
| 20:21.20 | jair | any suggestions? I try using at the end of the kernel like "maxcpus=6" |
| 20:21.25 | guysoft42 | jhutchins_lt, says java has an error |
| 20:21.59 | guysoft42 | jhutchins_lt, here is the output from java: http://pastebin.com/m18fdaa4d .. |
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| 20:23.18 | jhutchins_lt | Are there conditions under which this page is actually known to work? What have you followed in order to install the jre? |
| 20:23.19 | charzero | What package do I need to install if the language dropdown for the KDE "Switch Application Language" menu is empty? |
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| 20:25.33 | jhutchins_lt | jair: It's impossible to tell what's going on from a screenshot of a crash. Do you have 6 CPU's? |
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| 20:27.29 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I have four cpus six cores each |
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| 20:28.16 | elsbroek | hi |
| 20:28.38 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Hm. It would seem maxcpus=12 then. I doubt that's relevant though. |
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| 20:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Given the minimap info you've given us, all I can do is guess. Are you using the correct architecture? |
| 20:29.11 | jhutchins_lt | minimal. |
| 20:29.27 | guysoft42 | jhutchins, yes, it works on windows computers around here, java applets used to work here a while back ago |
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| 20:29.44 | elsbroek | i have unmet dependencies: http://pastie.org/811605 neither -f helps... any hints? |
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| 20:30.01 | elsbroek | i am on backtrack4 |
| 20:30.11 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I am using the .amd which is 64bit and the cpu I have is a xeon 64bit not itanium. |
| 20:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Not bad for guessing. Last I checked a xeon is an Intel chip, not an AMD. |
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| 20:30.59 | digitalice | hi |
| 20:31.31 | jair | jhutchins_lt: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/hardware/enterprise/x3850m2/index.html |
| 20:31.44 | digitalice | what happens if i take the HD form my current computer (debian lenny) and try to boot it with another hardware (another pc), will it boot? |
| 20:31.56 | AimHere | Probably |
| 20:32.07 | jair | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? what I mean with .amd is that what I am trying to install is 64bit Debian Lenny... |
| 20:32.23 | AimHere | Though it's quite likely you'll be stuck without proper driver support until you do some tinkering. |
| 20:33.16 | jair | jhutchins_lt: the kernel I am trying to install is the standard kernel that comes with debian lenny stable 5.0.3 2.6.2.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:34.03 | guysoft42 | jhutchins_lt, yes, it works on windows computers around here, java applets used to work here a while back ago |
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| 20:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | jair: amd64 will not run on an Intel Xeon processor. |
| 20:35.10 | digitalice | so, can i clone a debian partition and try to boot it in another pc, and it will still boot up? |
| 20:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | jair: No matter how big a hammer you use. |
| 20:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | digitalice: Only one way to know. |
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| 20:36.03 | digitalice | jhutchins_lt: to try it? |
| 20:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | digitalice: Right. |
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| 20:36.27 | digitalice | jhutchins_lt: mmmmmm ... k |
| 20:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | digitalice: If it's the exact same hardware you should be fine - that's how a lot of places do mass installs. |
| 20:36.38 | jair | jhutchins_lt: so what should I install on that xeon CPU? |
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| 20:36.51 | jhutchins_lt | jair: x86_64. |
| 20:36.58 | digitalice | jhutchins_lt: i know, but im trying to change hardware |
| 20:38.34 | jair | jhutchins_lt: I am not sure if I should listening to you please check this: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 20:39.30 | jair | jhutchins_lt: point to me which one is the x86_64 iso you are talking about? I am afraid you are a freaking mokey playing at you know a lot about debian... and it is not funny and good for the people here. |
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| 20:46.27 | jhutchins_lt | jair: You seem to be correct, the amd64 kernel is the correct one for a xenon, in spite of the name. |
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| 20:47.24 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | jair: I run 32bit, so I didn't know that was the way the kernel had gone. |
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| 20:52.13 | yagoo | jhutchins, did you try itanium? |
| 20:52.27 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: For what? |
| 20:52.42 | yagoo | jhutchins, for your processor, i'm assuming your processor is probably itanium |
| 20:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | No, I have a lowly celeron here. I went 32bit on my servers because I don't actually need 64 for anything. |
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| 20:55.07 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: jair sent us a fuzzy screenshot of a crashed app in a window and said the installer was failing. With no more than that to go on, I guessed he might be using the wrong architecture, but it appears that wasn't it. |
| 20:55.39 | yagoo | ok |
| 20:56.02 | yagoo | it was jait with all the boogies |
| 20:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: Yeah, and he's grumpy about it too. |
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| 20:58.20 | yagoo | jair, maybe the vnc server is the problem |
| 20:58.45 | yagoo | jair, did you try nomachine's nx ? it's gpl and is one step to install |
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| 21:00.13 | yagoo | jair, i actually just read ur initial post, i thought ibm throws out it's linux for free for its hardware no? that's a six core beast you have there |
| 21:00.13 | Yasuo | hi, how do i restore the /etc/postfix/master.cf ? |
| 21:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: Ah, that explains the screenshot. |
| 21:01.07 | jair | yagoo: yes |
| 21:01.08 | yagoo | jair, if you thinking about remote desktops, nx has very advanced features with load balancing and nodes |
| 21:01.29 | yagoo | jair, does it only crash with vnc? |
| 21:01.30 | jair | yagoo: I am not talking about remote desktops or anything like that. |
| 21:01.49 | yagoo | jair, well you have tightvnc in that screenshot |
| 21:01.52 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: 4x6 cores = 24. QUite the beast. |
| 21:01.53 | jair | the problems is not with vnc or nx or any remote management software |
| 21:02.18 | jair | yagoo: that does not have anything to do with what I am asking help here for |
| 21:02.27 | yagoo | jair, the native host on that system is running on the same underlying hardware? |
| 21:02.38 | yagoo | jair, nm |
| 21:02.39 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: Excellent! He knows exactly what the problem is! No trouble for him to solve it then. |
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| 21:02.48 | yagoo | lol |
| 21:03.02 | jair | yagoo: I am trying to install debian lenny 64bit in a 3850m2 4x6 = 24 logical cpus yes and xeon cpu NOT itanium |
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| 21:03.37 | jair | I am using tightvnc just to connect to a laptop I have connected to the RSA card of the 3850m2 |
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| 21:03.43 | yagoo | jair, i thought ibm gives linux so that you can virtualize things with it.. |
| 21:04.02 | yagoo | but seems like you know what you want more than i do, so i guess i cant tell much |
| 21:04.06 | jair | yagoo: what are you talking about!!!! is there debian people here???? |
| 21:04.42 | jair | I am trying to install debian lenny 5.0.3 64bit in a xseries 3850m2 server 4x6 and 256GB memory |
| 21:05.02 | jair | what part of what I just pasted here you dont understand? |
| 21:05.07 | yagoo | jair, nm |
| 21:05.21 | yagoo | all i see is "windows" in that screenshot so i'm out |
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| 21:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | jair: We are (mostly) fellow debian users. |
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| 21:05.59 | jair | I will be patient with both of you |
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| 21:06.09 | jair | let me paste a new screenshot |
| 21:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | jair: The screenshot is not relelvant. |
| 21:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | jair: The installation method and the point in the process where it fails might be. |
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| 21:07.25 | yagoo | jhutchins_lt, shouldnt he be using an smp kernel? |
| 21:07.30 | ElDiabolo | Beware of Samsungs ESTool. Kills raid superblocks ... |
| 21:07.31 | jair | jhutchins_lt: http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8539/kvmlinux2.png |
| 21:07.37 | jair | yagoo: http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8539/kvmlinux2.png |
| 21:07.39 | shoppe | i'm not sure if this is a debian question but here goes. i'm getting this error when i try to compile a program i'm building from source. http://pastebin.com/d2cd6a540 |
| 21:07.46 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: Someone suggested the alternative installer. |
| 21:07.59 | jair | better I am not using windows AT ALL is just debian lenny 64bit |
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| 21:08.10 | yagoo | jair, wikipedia the magic sys resc key |
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| 21:08.43 | jair | nope you are just guessing, STOP let other debian experienced users to talk I will actually go to #kernel |
| 21:08.56 | yagoo | jair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 21:09.09 | yagoo | if you even bother to listen |
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| 21:09.13 | yagoo | golly |
| 21:09.26 | yagoo | i'm done with him |
| 21:09.27 | jhutchins_lt | jair: The reason we're guessing is that you're not giving us any information to reason from. |
| 21:09.43 | jhutchins_lt | Screenshots don't show anything useful. |
| 21:10.37 | ElDiabolo | shoppe: You are trying to install a recent clive? |
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| 21:11.17 | shoppe | ElDiabolo: yes |
| 21:11.33 | shoppe | compile went fine, but i'm getting this error when i run make |
| 21:11.34 | ElDiabolo | shoppe: Your are on lenny? Check http://packages.debian.org/de/lenny-backports/clive |
| 21:11.55 | ElDiabolo | shoppe: Maybe you don't need to |
| 21:12.21 | shoppe | i'll give that a try. ty |
| 21:12.46 | yagoo | jhutchins, he's a douchebag, he really had to post m$windows here |
| 21:12.48 | yagoo | lol |
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| 21:16.04 | jhutchins_lt | yagoo: My take is that he has no concept of what Linux is or how community support works, he's frustrated and he wants Debian to just fix it without him having to do anything. |
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| 21:16.54 | yagoo | jhutchins, plus he wasn't answering any of my questions and pasted the same nonsense three times.. nuff said ;) |
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| 21:17.18 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, really. I was just seeing if I could get a useful or intelligible post out of him. |
| 21:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | How do guys like that get all the cool hardware? |
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| 21:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | (That's probably what it takes to run freecell these days.) |
| 21:19.02 | niklaswe | does someone know the artist some has made the song with the choir "No no nono no no" ? |
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| 21:19.25 | Yasuo | nana? |
| 21:19.31 | Yasuo | or momo |
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| 21:20.15 | jhutchins_lt | It's not Hoyt Axton. |
| 21:21.01 | yagoo | jhutchins_lt, he's probably a lonely banker somewhere deep in a cell, quite out of reach of human civilization. he may have money but no brains :) |
| 21:21.11 | niklaswe | Yasuo: hmm i will look up.. I cant remeber which artist its is |
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| 21:21.25 | Yasuo | sry it wasnt meant serious |
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| 21:21.59 | yagoo | Yasuo, the twilighters probably know |
| 21:22.25 | yagoo | moinmoin |
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| 21:22.50 | Yasuo | moinmoin sounds german |
| 21:23.02 | Brack10 | moin = morning |
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| 21:23.13 | yagoo | preamble to wikipedia |
| 21:23.19 | Yasuo | yeah the fishheads say moin² |
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| 21:23.36 | yagoo | however talks quackery like niklaswe should #twilight it |
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| 21:23.44 | yagoo | oink |
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| 21:23.50 | Yasuo | o/t |
| 21:23.52 | jhutchins_lt | moins on the other hand means mounds. |
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| 21:26.20 | willwh | niklaswe; haha - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Unlimited#No_Limits_.281993.E2.80.931994.29 |
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| 21:29.08 | Yasuo | well "no no nono no no" wasnt realyl exactly imho |
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| 21:30.29 | mguy | How do I start sshd in 5.04? |
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| 21:31.10 | rudi_s_ | mguy: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 21:31.15 | Gratz474 | anyone here faimlar with crons? |
| 21:31.25 | DuClare | Gratz474: Do you have a question? |
| 21:31.42 | Gratz474 | how can i make something run ever 15 mins? |
| 21:31.56 | Gratz474 | 15 * * * * /sbin/ping -c 1 192.168.0.1 > /dev/null |
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| 21:32.12 | Gratz474 | i think this is wrong |
| 21:32.24 | mguy | rudi_s_: It's not there. I installed openssh-client but openssh-client isn't avaliablt |
| 21:32.40 | tabashco | Gratz474: should read '*/15' |
| 21:32.41 | \amethyst | Gratz474: right, that's at the 15th minute of every hour... you want */15 |
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| 21:33.10 | Gratz474 | */15 * * * * /sbin/ping -c 1 192.168.0.1 > /dev/null |
| 21:33.13 | rudi_s_ | mguy: Are we talking about the server here? If yes install openssh-server |
| 21:33.14 | Gratz474 | so this would be good? |
| 21:33.45 | tabashco | Gratz474: that should work |
| 21:33.46 | \amethyst | Gratz474: indeed, assuming this is a user crontab and not /etc/crontab (which needs the user name before the program) |
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| 21:34.08 | ola | Gratz474: in debian, and most others, ping is located at /bin/ping |
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| 21:34.28 | jhutchins_lt | mguy: You installed the client, and the server isn't available? |
| 21:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | mguy: Or the server isn't installed? |
| 21:35.22 | Gratz474 | doesl crontab come on debian by default? |
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| 21:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | Gratz474: anacron |
| 21:35.39 | rudi_s_ | mguy: If you're looking for the client, it's named ssh. |
| 21:35.48 | Gratz474 | anacron? |
| 21:35.52 | mguy | server isn't installed I think I need to check my sources.list |
| 21:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | mguy: Installing the client doesn't install the server. |
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| 21:36.32 | smacnay | Is there a way to get in touch with the icedove maintainers? |
| 21:36.43 | rudi_s_ | mguy: You just need to run aptitude install openssh-server, but before you're doing you should read a bit more. And check out some tutorial to secure your ssh server (and changing the port is not enough!). |
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| 21:37.05 | mguy | I know how to use it I just don't know why it wasn't installed |
| 21:37.33 | rudi_s_ | mguy: Well, if you don't install it, it isn't installed. The package you're looking for is openssh-server. |
| 21:37.39 | rudi_s_ | (And not -client). |
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| 21:38.48 | Arrowmaster | its one of the tasks near the end of the installer, you didnt select it so it didnt install it |
| 21:38.53 | mguy | I know that, I told you it was installed and apt-get told me server wasn't available so I think I need to update my sources.list |
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| 21:40.14 | rudi_s_ | mguy: All you said was that you installed openssh-_client_ and that won't install the server! This has nothing to do with sources.list. But whatever .. |
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| 21:41.31 | mguy | I know that, apt told me that the package openssh-server wasn't available |
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| 21:43.10 | rudi_s_ | mguy: Well, then check sources.list. But please provide us with better descriptions next time (you didn't talk about openssh-server and the apt message until the last message). |
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| 21:44.23 | bocaneri | How do I find out what package a given file came in? |
| 21:44.39 | bocaneri | I'm trying to tell somebody to install fsview, but can't find it explicitly. |
| 21:44.52 | streuner_ | bocaneri: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:45.22 | Arrowmaster | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=fsview&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 21:45.32 | Arrowmaster | looks like konq-plugins |
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| 21:47.00 | bocaneri | This looks helpful; watch me try to figure it out. |
| 21:47.22 | bocaneri | Yes. Thanks! |
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| 21:54.42 | Gratz474 | do crons have to be tab delimited? |
| 21:54.46 | Gratz474 | is that there format? |
| 21:55.04 | yagoo | Gratz474, check the manpage |
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| 21:58.02 | Mark22 | Gratz474: no, but for almost everything you should read the manpage |
| 21:58.26 | sigmonsays | anyone know if there is some autoconf/automake magic for make install prefix=/tmp/build/package_name to function? |
| 21:58.46 | sigmonsays | the makefile is checking if a file exists in /usr/local/bin/ and trys to delete it which of course it has no permissions |
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| 21:59.04 | DevilChaos | ola |
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| 22:00.31 | Gratz474 | how can i tell if my cron is working? |
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| 22:02.31 | dondelelcaro | Gratz474: see /var/log/auth.log or similar |
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| 22:08.48 | acu | MondoRescue in AMD64 Squeeze does not work - is any other backup tool to backup and restore from barebone |
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| 22:09.31 | kamehame | hello |
| 22:09.59 | acu | kamehame: just ask your question - this is not a social room is technical support |
| 22:10.22 | kamehame | ok sorry |
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| 22:10.52 | Pouz | hi |
| 22:10.54 | acu | do not worry - it is OK, just that people here have no time for bullshit asl and others |
| 22:11.15 | kamehame | i will know debian = linux ?? |
| 22:11.23 | acu | Pouz: just ask your question - this is not a social room, this is technical support |
| 22:11.47 | streuner_ | kamehame: Debian is a distro, Linux is a kernel (kernel.org) |
| 22:12.03 | Pouz | i would to know which users is connected, with SQUID, and what is the website that is visited ? is it posible ? |
| 22:12.08 | streuner_ | !fr |
| 22:12.08 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:12.55 | Pouz | i'm not french.... |
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| 22:13.15 | streuner_ | Who spoke about you? |
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| 22:14.37 | acu | Pouz: do not worry what is your nationality, is not your mistake, you were just born - welcome :) |
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| 22:16.07 | deuterium | hia.i've set the locale to LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and i can create a file an umlaut in the name like "blä", but when i list the file using "ls -la", this file is shown as "bl?". what's the reason for this and how can i solve it? |
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| 22:16.50 | abrotman | have you relogged in since you've done that ? |
| 22:16.59 | deuterium | abrotman: yes |
| 22:17.36 | deuterium | i guess i need to adjust the charset for the filesystem too (or so?) |
| 22:17.37 | acu | Is any other tool (functional) for backup and restore from barebone - in squeeze ? |
| 22:17.49 | streuner_ | backuppc? |
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| 22:18.26 | Anonine | I followed a guide on howtoforge for setting up a MySQL Auth for a Pure-FTPd server, when trying to connect with my new acc I only get "pure-ftpd: pam_unix_auth(pure-ftpd:auth): check pass; user unknown", why is that? |
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| 22:19.01 | yagoo | Anonine, because you have no name? |
| 22:19.13 | Anonine | yagoo, Nah ofc i've got a name.. |
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| 22:22.47 | yagoo | Anonine, you don't know your password? |
| 22:23.03 | yagoo | Anonine, check the log for verbosity |
| 22:23.38 | deuterium | anybody an idea why a file named "blä" gets listed as "bl?" when i execute ls -la? |
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| 22:24.15 | yagoo | deuterium, LANG settings sometihng with locale/terminal setting |
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| 22:24.23 | Anonine | yagoo, I know password, but it seems like the pam wont connect to the MySQL in some way |
| 22:24.36 | yagoo | Anonine, maybe mysql is not set to use pam |
| 22:24.43 | deuterium | yagoo: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:24.58 | yagoo | deuterium, are you on front machine or thru ssh? |
| 22:25.03 | deuterium | yagoo: do i need to specify the charset for the file system too? |
| 22:25.07 | Anonine | yagoo, isnt it more like, pam isnt set to use MySQL? |
| 22:25.41 | yagoo | Anonine, i don't know, check for that |
| 22:25.52 | Anonine | LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" and LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 22:25.53 | deuterium | yagoo: thru ssh on putty. putty translation is set to UTF-8 and when i type an umlaut in the shell it's displayed correctly (i could create the file "blä") |
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| 22:26.17 | Anonine | try that deuterium, in the /etc/environment |
| 22:26.19 | Gratz474 | is sendmail good to use? |
| 22:26.40 | yagoo | Gratz474, no |
| 22:26.46 | yagoo | Gratz474, but it makes a decent mta |
| 22:27.07 | Gratz474 | i need an mta to use |
| 22:27.10 | abrotman | Gratz474: it can be .. but many consider postfix and exim to be far easier |
| 22:27.28 | Gratz474 | which is the eaiest to get up and running asi really don't care which i use ? |
| 22:27.30 | deuterium | Anonine: ? /etc/environment is empty on this box |
| 22:27.44 | Anonine | add those 2 lines i said then |
| 22:27.51 | yagoo | deuterium, if its non utf8, i believe there's a "lang" option for ext3, i can check for that |
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| 22:28.08 | deuterium | Anonine: oh missed that. thanks, i try |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | Gratz474: for a simple MTA, they're probably equally easy .. theyhave different advanced abilities |
| 22:28.42 | Gratz474 | which one will i spend less time messing with configs? hehehe |
| 22:28.47 | Anonine | deuterium, np, maybe putty isnt able to disblay it right =/ |
| 22:29.18 | abrotman | Gratz474: as i said .. it's about equal .. |
| 22:29.28 | abrotman | Gratz474: they both ask you a set of questions on install .. usually that's enough |
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| 22:29.48 | deuterium | Anonine: modifying /etc/environment didn't solve the problem |
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| 22:30.03 | deuterium | yagoo: that could be the reason, let me see |
| 22:30.09 | rodox102 | i'm not sure whether to ask this in an ubuntu or debian irc: i tried installing debian with a usb drive with unetbootin, the installation finished successfully, but i get "Missing operating system" on boot. all i have at my disposal is an ubuntu live cd and another computer running windows 7 |
| 22:30.32 | yagoo | deuterium, i can only see utf8 and iocharset for the other filesystem types |
| 22:31.39 | deuterium | yagoo: ok. but i doubt that putty is the reason.. i think it's related to my server's (i.e. debian's) configuration |
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| 22:33.24 | Anonine | deuterium, i can confirm that if u w8 a sec :) |
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| 22:33.42 | deuterium | Anonine: ok :) |
| 22:34.05 | yagoo | deuterium, what client is it putty/w32 ? |
| 22:34.29 | Anonine | deuterium, Seems like a putty fault |
| 22:35.01 | deuterium | Anonine, yagoo: really? it's putty w64 |
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| 22:35.12 | Anonine | deuterium, It works with ssh trough gnome-terminal, but it displays it wrong within putty, trough wine tho |
| 22:35.22 | yagoo | deuterium, I'm not making the statement it is |
| 22:35.33 | deuterium | oh |
| 22:35.33 | yagoo | deuterium, you can try another client (cygwin ssh) |
| 22:35.46 | deuterium | let me try this |
| 22:35.49 | yagoo | deuterium, it's likely not putty.. btw how did you get this file? |
| 22:36.05 | Anonine | deuterium, u have UTF-8 in putty |
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| 22:36.18 | Anonine | [-] Window -> Translation |
| 22:36.21 | Anonine | deuterium, |
| 22:36.29 | yagoo | deuterium, i shuoldnt be helping you for winbloze, but for the hell of it->(http://www.cygwin.com/) |
| 22:36.44 | yagoo | he said he checked that Anonine |
| 22:36.54 | Anonine | yagoo, ok ^^ |
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| 22:37.09 | nkuttler | !matrox |
| 22:37.09 | dpkg | i heard matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cough*nVidia*cough*...... of course, drivers for any card built this millenium are binary-only for obsolete versions of Red Hat. |
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| 22:37.28 | nkuttler | isn't that outdated? x.org wiki says mga driver works for G550 and below |
| 22:37.44 | deuterium | yagoo, Anonine: checked it with cygwin's ssh: it also displays "bl?" instead of "blä" |
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| 22:37.55 | deuterium | must be a windoze problem then? |
| 22:37.58 | yagoo | deuterium, oh |
| 22:38.11 | fireun | I'm installing a package from its maintainers repo, how do I tell apt to prefer packages from it over the standard repos? |
| 22:38.12 | rodox102 | i tried installing debian with a usb drive with unetbootin, the installation finished successfully, but i get "Missing operating system" on boot. all i have at my disposal is an ubuntu live cd (which i'm running right now) and another computer running windows 7. thanks! |
| 22:38.14 | yagoo | deuterium, that's probably correct.. |
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| 22:38.36 | yagoo | feels a little misdirected |
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| 22:38.51 | yagoo | deuterium, is that supposed to be under utf8? < I don't think so |
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| 22:39.50 | Anonine | deuterium, Test a Ubuntu-LiveCD :) |
| 22:40.02 | ksjdfhk | how can i install irssi on debian? |
| 22:40.03 | fireun | has [-22] updates |
| 22:40.04 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:40.11 | fireun | ksjdfhk: install irssi |
| 22:40.17 | p3rror | anyone experienced with mt |
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| 22:40.18 | nkuttler | ksjdfhk: like any other package |
| 22:40.20 | deuterium | yagoo: i'm not sure whether i understand what you mean? whether windows uses utf-8? |
| 22:40.42 | deuterium | Anonine: that might give a hint indeed |
| 22:40.45 | ksjdfhk | sorry for my weird nick, i connected through telnet lol |
| 22:41.09 | yagoo | deuterium, here's a table, you can check it's hex value->http://www.utf8-chartable.de/ |
| 22:41.35 | yagoo | deuterium, (c3 a4) |
| 22:41.42 | deuterium | yagoo: ä is definitely supported by utf-8. would be a big surprise if it wasn't. |
| 22:41.58 | debianuser1 | do we use the apt-get command to install irssi? is it like this? -> apt-get install irssi (as root)? |
| 22:42.23 | yagoo | deuterium, do a hexedit of the display |
| 22:42.31 | Anonine | debianuser1, test :) Sounds correct |
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| 22:43.07 | debianuser1 | it says package not available... |
| 22:43.10 | nkuttler | debianuser1: that's one way, yes. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 22:43.28 | deuterium | yagoo: a hexedit of the putty output as it is displayed on my windoze client? |
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| 22:44.19 | jair | everyone: good news, I try using the kernel parameter maxcpus=4 and the installer at least finished boot and showed me the first page to select language etc... =) however I am installing now using the testing one. =) |
| 22:44.48 | jair | debian lenny stable in a 3850m2 =) 4x6cores and 256GB memory ;) |
| 22:44.49 | yagoo | deuterium, ls -q <filename> >1.txt , hexedit 1.txt |
| 22:45.08 | yagoo | deuterium, see if "c3 a4" is there for the 'a' |
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| 22:48.26 | deuterium | yagoo: it's 3f (=?) |
| 22:48.46 | vlcn | hey |
| 22:48.50 | deuterium | yagoo: so it seems to be encoded as a question mark on the box already |
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| 22:48.53 | vlcn | can anyone help me with an installation problem? |
| 22:48.55 | symetrik | Quick question: |
| 22:49.01 | symetrik | is Ubuntu based on Debian? |
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| 22:49.06 | Anonine | vlcn, We could try |
| 22:49.09 | vlcn | I'm trying to install debian lenny on a HP D530c |
| 22:49.21 | vlcn | I get to the point where it is looking for disk drives, but it doesn't find any |
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| 22:49.29 | vlcn | it asks me to select the drive controller manually |
| 22:49.29 | AimHere | symetrik, Yes. But that doesn't mean that ubuntu queries will be answered, or answered correctly, in #debian |
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| 22:49.39 | vlcn | any idea what might bw going wrong |
| 22:49.50 | Anonine | check bios |
| 22:49.54 | vlcn | I had Ubuntu 9.10 installed on this system without a problem |
| 22:49.58 | symetrik | AimHere: I know, I'm just winning an arguement :P |
| 22:49.59 | symetrik | thanks |
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| 22:50.10 | vlcn | Anonine: what am I looking for? Ubuntu installed fine. |
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| 22:50.28 | grendal_prime | any advice on creating jails? |
| 22:50.50 | grendal_prime | i need to lock down some users to just sftp. and i dont want the browsing all over the friggin box |
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| 22:52.02 | Anonine | vlcn, Something like native sata |
| 22:52.13 | vlcn | Anonine: I'm using an IDE HDD |
| 22:52.17 | vlcn | I have the SATA controller disabled |
| 22:52.48 | Anonine | vlcn, okey, try to change to native / sata instead of emulate pata as it might be now |
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| 22:54.23 | deuterium | yagoo, Anonine: i've no idea what could be the reason? is there any check list for umlaut configuration in debian i could walk-through? maybe i've forgotten something. |
| 22:55.28 | deuterium | found this: http://gentoo-blog.de/ubuntu/german-umlaut-on-debian-console/ maybe that helps? |
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| 22:56.56 | Anonine | deuterium, check pm |
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| 22:59.25 | stillborn | hi |
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| 23:00.04 | stillborn | is there a way to build irssi using gnutls instead of openssl? |
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| 23:01.19 | vlcn | Anonine: not an option for that anywehre |
| 23:01.34 | vlcn | can I get the needed information from my current ubuntu install? |
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| 23:02.17 | Anonine | vlcn, Yes it would be possible, but iam not sure where everything is tho |
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| 23:02.19 | debianuser1 | what irc client do we use in debian? irssi cant be fiound with apt |
| 23:02.29 | Anonine | vlcn, Maybe ask on #ubuntu or their forum |
| 23:02.48 | Anonine | vlcn, Would give the best answer at least, not the fastest ^^ |
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| 23:03.23 | sysErroR | debianuser1: aptitude search irssi should show up. |
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| 23:04.05 | debianuser1 | syserror.. unfortunately it only shows some plugin SILC for irssi, but not irssi itself |
| 23:04.38 | themill | ,info irssi |
| 23:04.38 | judd | irssi (net): is optional; Version: 0.8.12-7; Size: 1054.0k; Installed: 2884k -- terminal based IRC client |
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| 23:05.00 | themill | debianuser1: it most definitely exists. perhaps you should pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:06.45 | debianuser1 | i only have security and volatile in my sources.list |
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| 23:07.08 | themill | debianuser1: that would be why. You need to have a regular mirror. /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 23:08.55 | primepie | when I change stable to testing, and do apt-get update I get this error "E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages (1)" |
| 23:09.03 | primepie | am I missing anything? |
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| 23:10.12 | Hyperzid | How can I debug whats the problem with my network?.. I get 75% packetloss.. netstat -in dosnt show any lost packets.. |
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| 23:10.55 | debianuser1 | well how do edit the sources file? can you show me an example? |
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| 23:13.38 | jdeka | Hyperzid: What command do you see 75% packet loss with? A ping? |
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| 23:14.22 | yagoo | Hyperzid, tracert |
| 23:14.34 | yagoo | (rather traceroute) |
| 23:15.13 | Hyperzid | jdeka, yes.. ping. |
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| 23:15.59 | jdeka | yeah, but listen to yagoo =) Do a traceroute on the same host that you're pinging |
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| 23:16.31 | bikcmp | Another issue; sshing to server disconnects with the message 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 23:16.32 | yagoo | Hyperzid, you hear that bitch? ;-) |
| 23:16.33 | Hyperzid | ok |
| 23:16.36 | Gratz474 | anyone got any opinion on postfix vs exim? |
| 23:17.12 | Hyperzid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.19 | yagoo | bikcmp, maybe you changed some server config and didnt update your client key |
| 23:17.22 | hxB5 | hello all, a quick question.. when i want to check what filesystem i use, i go for "sudo fdisk -l". Is there another way to find out the filesystem having only "regular" user access? |
| 23:17.31 | bikcmp | yagoo: how would I change the client key? |
| 23:17.40 | yagoo | Hyperzid, try using the mii-tool and setting to half-duplex |
| 23:17.45 | Hyperzid | traceroute dosnt show any usefull info in this case I think.. its a local network problem. |
| 23:17.46 | bikcmp | yagoo: before I just did ssh XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX -ljason |
| 23:17.59 | yagoo | Hyperzid, maybe it's poor cabling or lots of em-interference |
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| 23:18.47 | yagoo | bikcmp, did u update the server? |
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| 23:19.13 | bikcmp | yagoo: nope. |
| 23:19.17 | bikcmp | yagoo: restarted it |
| 23:19.19 | bikcmp | :/ |
| 23:19.57 | Hyperzid | yagoo, eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link |
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| 23:20.07 | yagoo | bikcmp, you have anything in /etc/hosts.deny or /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 23:20.20 | Hyperzid | yagoo, no link.. does that mean something is wrong? |
| 23:20.20 | yagoo | Hyperzid, what's on the other end? |
| 23:20.26 | bikcmp | yagoo: I don't know :/... I can't SSH to it |
| 23:20.47 | bikcmp | yagoo: nor do I have physical access to it |
| 23:20.57 | yagoo | bikcmp, a vps eh? |
| 23:21.09 | yagoo | bikcmp, it's always good to have a secondary ssh server |
| 23:21.09 | Hyperzid | yagoo, its a hp bladecenter i'm logged into |
| 23:21.10 | yagoo | ;) |
| 23:21.12 | bikcmp | yagoo: deticated server |
| 23:21.45 | bikcmp | yagoo: was able to login, proxy :P |
| 23:22.10 | bikcmp | now what do I do to try to remove the error from my ip? (my ip is static, so it could be a issue) |
| 23:22.15 | yagoo | Hyperzid, are you using a dedicated switch somewhere? |
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| 23:22.39 | Hyperzid | yagoo, we have a bladecenter swithch I belive. |
| 23:22.50 | yagoo | Hyperzid, maybe resetting it would fix it.. |
| 23:23.08 | yagoo | Hyperzid, sometimes there are firmware upgrades for switches |
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| 23:23.19 | yagoo | (especially with cisco) |
| 23:23.31 | bikcmp | yagoo: how do I remove the ban? |
| 23:24.02 | bikcmp | oh... /etc/hosts.deny has my IP... |
| 23:24.05 | bikcmp | why is it in there? |
| 23:24.07 | bikcmp | :/ |
| 23:24.38 | themill | bikcmp: if you have denyhosts installed and you've had a number of failed logins, perhaps? |
| 23:24.50 | bikcmp | themill: I didn't have a lot of failed logins |
| 23:24.52 | bikcmp | as far as I know |
| 23:24.58 | bikcmp | I just tried to login once and it faile |
| 23:25.08 | bikcmp | *failed and said the message |
| 23:25.19 | bikcmp | wouldn't let me enter the password...so I donno how I did it |
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| 23:28.57 | DeSian_ | any tool for moile broadband connection in debian lenny? |
| 23:29.37 | magyar | hi, having trouble to get java working under squeeze iceweasel, none of the java script/applets are functioning |
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| 23:30.17 | |Mike| | a2: test |
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| 23:30.36 | babilen | magyar: which java? http://wiki.debian.org/Java lists quite a bunch of options |
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| 23:31.16 | magyar | babilen: sun jre plugin |
| 23:31.51 | magyar | i386 |
| 23:32.24 | babilen | magyar: Is it listed in about:plugins as java plugin? |
| 23:32.50 | babilen | DeSian_: I heard that you can use wvdial to connect. But I have no experience with that |
| 23:33.00 | bikcmp | how do I use hosts.allow? |
| 23:33.08 | bikcmp | I'd like my ip to be immune to blocks |
| 23:33.47 | DeSian_ | babilen, wvdial is bugy and crached oft |
| 23:34.36 | babilen | DeSian_: That might be - It was just the tool that came to mind |
| 23:35.02 | DeSian_ | yes thnx babilen |
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| 23:36.21 | magyar | babilen: none |
| 23:36.35 | magyar | i just removed the sun-jre package |
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| 23:37.45 | don_pardon | how do we change the system clock/time zone? |
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| 23:38.24 | don_pardon | bytheway ...... do we add just "main" and "contrib" in the sources.list ? |
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| 23:39.12 | wols_ | don_pardon: /msg dpkg timezone |
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| 23:39.41 | Hyperzid | Whats the diffrence on: eth0: negotiated 10baseT-HD, link ok and eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link ? |
| 23:40.06 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: the second one is missing a cable |
| 23:40.15 | \amethyst | and it doesn't say what medium the second one uses |
| 23:40.32 | don_pardon | thanks wols_ .. that was helpful.... |
| 23:40.37 | magyar | update-alternatives: warning: alternative /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so (part of link group xulrunner-1.9-javaplugin.so) doesn't exist. Removing from list of alternatives. |
| 23:40.38 | Hyperzid | \amethyst, how do you know its missing a cable?.. I get 80% packetloss |
| 23:40.38 | \amethyst | (missing a cable, has a broken cable, isn't plugged in on the other end, or something) |
| 23:40.43 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: "no link" |
| 23:40.57 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: something is wrong at the link layer |
| 23:41.21 | magyar | anyone knows howto enable java in iceweasel? |
| 23:42.27 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar about install java |
| 23:42.33 | don_pardon | i just installed debian and during installation i chose it not to add a mirror.. so my sources.list files came without the necessary lines.. i added this: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/ lenny main contrib <--- good? |
| 23:42.41 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: or lower... though if it's only 80%, maybe it's a loose connector or a bad (rather than broken) cable |
| 23:43.04 | themill | don_pardon: good start, but please use a mirror that is closer to you instead. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 23:43.24 | wols_ | don_pardon: use your local mirror in your country |
| 23:43.27 | don_pardon | themill: do i use ftp or http? and do i also add the non-free word too? |
| 23:43.36 | don_pardon | ok |
| 23:43.39 | Hyperzid | \amethyst, happening with several servers on the same bladecenter. |
| 23:43.42 | themill | don_pardon: completely up to you in all cases. |
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| 23:45.44 | don_pardon | do we also add this "non-US" thing? |
| 23:45.56 | wols_ | non-us doesn't exist anymore |
| 23:46.26 | don_pardon | i see |
| 23:47.33 | Hyperzid | \amethyst, ethtool eth0 reports Link detected: yes |
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| 23:48.02 | Hyperzid | \amethyst, do you know whats the diffrence on ethtool's link status.. and mii-tool ? |
| 23:48.16 | magyar | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1787599 |
| 23:48.18 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: other than that they query the card using different interfaces, not really |
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| 23:48.50 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar about multiple ask |
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| 23:49.05 | Hyperzid | \amethyst, what do you mean with query the card? |
| 23:49.29 | Hyperzid | \amethyst, what kinda interfaces are we talking about? |
| 23:49.45 | magyar | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1787600 |
| 23:49.51 | don_pardon | i have an USB external harddisk.. what is it called under /dev you reckon? |
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| 23:49.58 | izzyb | Hi, I'm having a routing problem involving fragmented packets arriving on an interface but not being forwarded onto the bridge interface attached to it. any idea what would be causing this? |
| 23:50.08 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Independent_Interface |
| 23:50.15 | \amethyst | Hyperzid: not sure about ethtool |
| 23:50.53 | don_pardon | is it /dev/sda1 ? |
| 23:50.53 | izzyb | Is there a better channel to ask this kind of question? |
| 23:51.33 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.10 | izzyb | adb, thanks, didn't know about that one |
| 23:52.18 | adb | yw |
| 23:52.42 | izzyb | is it linux networking specific? |
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| 23:53.06 | adb | it seems so |
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| 23:53.49 | |Mike| | izzyb: with STP ? :) |
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| 23:56.06 | don_pardon | "no default libao driver available" <--- i cant play an mp3 with mpg321.. what suggest? |
| 23:56.49 | izzyb | |Mike|, not sure. I configured the bridge in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:56.59 | izzyb | not that experienced with bridges |
| 23:57.08 | izzyb | just know how to use them to get virtual hosts working |
| 23:57.18 | |Mike| | o dear. |
| 23:57.48 | |Mike| | Then i'm not going to explain the whole bridging / stp / ip thingy to you :) |
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| 23:59.16 | izzyb | found a doc and will start there |
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