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| 00:00.42 | TomyLobo | macrobat ok that seems to work for newly installed packages |
| 00:00.47 | TomyLobo | how about existing packages? |
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| 00:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, just run '/usr/sbin/mysqld'? |
| 00:03.15 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, I have not asked anything about mysql |
| 00:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, arrgh, right - that was puff |
| 00:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | readjusts his glasses |
| 00:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff, ^^^ |
| 00:04.24 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: my problem is that I can't get core any dump on an etch :) |
| 00:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I noticed |
| 00:04.46 | zmitya | ulimit -c unlimited is set |
| 00:04.50 | zmitya | any ideas ? |
| 00:05.57 | Tapout | with aptitude full-upgrade, i'm running into a problem : http://pastebin.ca/1768721 ... Should I just remove the libasound ? I dunno why libasound is even installed ;) |
| 00:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, can the stuff in /etc/limits.conf sometimes be separate from ulimit? |
| 00:06.06 | macrobat | TomyLobo: i don't know. if there is a noticeable bug, you will notice :) |
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| 00:06.38 | TomyLobo | by definition :D |
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| 00:07.43 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: I have this in the limits.conf: http://pastebin.com/m61861f36 |
| 00:08.05 | zmitya | so I give up :( |
| 00:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's all? |
| 00:08.26 | zmitya | ran out of ideas |
| 00:08.32 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: yes basically |
| 00:08.39 | zmitya | its almost a "virgin" etch |
| 00:09.02 | macrobat | Tapout: "aptitude why libasound2" are you on x86_64? do you have 32bit apps installed? |
| 00:09.14 | zmitya | I have added toe root, because * does not good for apps which are run by root |
| 00:09.14 | zmitya | (from the man) |
| 00:09.35 | Tapout | yes on 64, i don't think any 32b are installed .. not that i can recall anyways |
| 00:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine has lots and lots of comments and things |
| 00:09.51 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, sure |
| 00:10.00 | zmitya | these are only the "live" lines |
| 00:10.03 | macrobat | Tapout: some wine version, skype or a 32bit flash? |
| 00:10.40 | Tapout | wine no, skype no, 32b flash, no :) .. sec |
| 00:10.57 | Tapout | ahhh |
| 00:10.58 | Tapout | teamspeak-server |
| 00:11.04 | Tapout | teamspeak-server required it :( |
| 00:11.18 | macrobat | i suggest mumble, then :) |
| 00:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | zmitya, could be a hacked kernel that doesn't do coredumps |
| 00:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | how are you trying to get them? |
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| 00:13.21 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: its a distro kernel :( |
| 00:14.06 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: I write a C app: printf("%s", (char *) 23234334); |
| 00:14.06 | zmitya | *wrote |
| 00:14.06 | JyZyXEL | god damnit where do i complain when a packager doesn't care about debian standards and uses crazy filepaths for his shit |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | Tapout: you're mixing versions of debian |
| 00:14.21 | zmitya | it works on my kubuntu, it works on the test server, but not in the live one for some reason |
| 00:14.29 | abrotman | Tapout: as a guess |
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| 00:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Well, that's another fine mess you've gotten us into..." |
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| 00:18.42 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: you very politely write a bug report that describes why you believe this is a breach of either debian policy or the FHS, citing the appropriate sections of these documents and providing a patch. /msg dpkg reportbug. Alternatively you can curse and swear to /dev/null all you like. |
| 00:19.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is anyone using the gnome menu applet called "main menu", I think its also known as "slab" in some distros? Im trying to rearrange the launchers in it that I have added of the different programs I use all the time but after you add so many or something there doesn't seem to be any logic in the way it shifts the others around to make room. Anyone else experiencing this? |
| 00:19.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I don't understand is how you can downgrade 2.7-18 to 2.7-18 (etc. etc.)\ |
| 00:19.28 | JyZyXEL | why does crap like this make in to stable :[ |
| 00:19.52 | Tapout | abrotman, i put teamspeak-server on lenny from squeeze |
| 00:19.54 | Tapout | or whatever it is |
| 00:19.56 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: whatever "this" is. /msg dpkg volunteers |
| 00:20.01 | Tapout | ya squeeze |
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| 00:20.14 | Tapout | i'm gonna get everyone over to mumble, thanks for that macrobat |
| 00:20.20 | macrobat | :) |
| 00:20.25 | nsadmin | why should it be polite when certain devs pride themselves on not being so, and insisting they should be allowed to be |
| 00:20.34 | nsadmin | behind closed doors that is... |
| 00:21.17 | abrotman | Tapout: not a great plan |
| 00:21.26 | nsadmin | but no matter what they do, you'll probably catch more flies with honey |
| 00:21.34 | Tapout | moving to mumble you mean? or mixing squeeze/lenny? |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | Tapout: installing squeeze packages on lenny |
| 00:22.11 | Tapout | ya I hear ya.. stupid teamspeak isn't in lenny so I just went with it for a while.. i'm gonna remove it now :) |
| 00:22.15 | Tapout | now that I know about mumble |
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| 00:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... "too late"? |
| 00:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Tapout -about downgrade |
| 00:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see though, why teamspeak-server would need packages from squeeze |
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| 00:24.46 | Illuminatus | hi |
| 00:25.09 | Illuminatus | I have a question about PARANOID option in tcpd. I don't understand how it can detect spoof atack. If I send a packet with a source spoof ip when the linux server recive the packet it'll try to resolv that ip and is a ip valid it will get a name for that ip. How does it consider Its a spoof ip? |
| 00:26.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im using the slab menu applet in gnome and I really dont understand whats going on with rearranging the program launchers. I move them around and they jump all over the place. |
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| 00:31.38 | macrobat | LinuxGuy2009: maybe it arranges after alfabetical order |
| 00:31.53 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, teamspeak-server wasn't in lenny, or lenny-backporst, only in squeeze |
| 00:32.15 | Tapout | I'm trying to install mumble-server and it wants to install apache2 (i'm using nginx).. anyway to get around that? |
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| 00:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh really? and what's http://packages.debian.org/lenny/teamspeak-server ? |
| 00:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | a hallucination? |
| 00:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | sir, my camel has fallen into the mirage! |
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| 00:36.27 | Tapout | ok, how do i check to see which *.deb is installed for teamspeak-server ? apt-cache showpkg teamspeak-server ? |
| 00:36.31 | Tapout | maybe i installed the lenny one |
| 00:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l <packetname>? |
| 00:36.44 | dpkg | ii <packetname> 2.6-4 cutmeownthroat's private gamp collection |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | Tapout: dpkg -l *team* ? |
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| 00:37.03 | Tapout | ii teamspeak-server 2.0.24.1+debian-1 VoIP chat for online gaming (server) |
| 00:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shuddup |
| 00:37.04 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 00:37.21 | Tapout | dpkg versions teamspeak-server |
| 00:37.21 | dpkg | Tapout: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 00:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're all the same version |
| 00:38.19 | macrobat | judd has tapped out |
| 00:38.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but (obviously) they're built against different versions of libc |
| 00:38.50 | Tapout | so how do i know if it's lenny or squeeze that i installed if they're all same? |
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| 00:38.54 | Tapout | any other method? |
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| 00:40.08 | abrotman | Tapout: you already said it wasn't in lenny .. so obviously it's fro msqueeze |
| 00:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it *is* in lenny |
| 00:40.42 | Tapout | i thought it wasn't in lenny, cause packages.debian.org defaults to lenny-backports, so if it wasn't in lenny-backports, my assumption (YES YES I KNOW I KNOW) ... I THOGUHT it wasn't in lenny :) |
| 00:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's actually a bit funny |
| 00:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/f4812a96e |
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| 00:42.06 | abrotman | dpkg: info teamspeak-server lenny |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | teamspeak-server: (VoIP chat for online gaming (server)), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 2.0.24.1+debian-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 2932 kB |
| 00:42.31 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 00:45.02 | paissad | damn it i took hours writing a script that move my generated .deb , dsc,diff,orig.tar.gz file automatically,Release,Packages.gz, ..... files into my repository ... & i just see that there are some tools that do that work ^^ |
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| 00:45.36 | paissad | i see apt-ftparchive & apt-move :) |
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| 00:47.05 | tking | oh chicken nugget u soo crazy |
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| 00:47.44 | chickennugget | ohhhhhhhh boy |
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| 00:49.47 | lasjsdfs | hi |
| 00:50.36 | chickennugget | im never doing salvia again |
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| 00:51.06 | lasjsdfs | when execute aptitude install mysql-server, give-me error :/etc/init.d/mysql: line 115: /etc/mysql/debian-start: file or direcotry not found |
| 00:51.24 | lasjsdfs | how to fix this ? |
| 00:52.46 | nsadmin | first find out why it's happening |
| 00:53.45 | nsadmin | (in cases like this it includes your sources.list; does it point to the same dist you run? or a different dist? or many dists?) |
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| 00:54.07 | lasjsdfs | nsadmin: because i remove the file in /etc/mysql |
| 00:54.26 | nsadmin | oh, so you caused the problem |
| 00:54.30 | lasjsdfs | ye |
| 00:54.32 | lasjsdfs | yes |
| 00:55.05 | nsadmin | you'd have to find the file |
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| 00:55.21 | nsadmin | install apt-file and search |
| 00:55.27 | nsadmin | see what package it comes from |
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| 01:14.04 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat just to inform that iptables is on NEW queue waiting for bpo ftpmasters to approve/reject it |
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| 01:17.56 | mythomaniac | as the mercy of the testing devs now... and as such offers up whatever they need to get xorg working again.... |
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| 01:24.30 | kjs | Morning |
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| 01:25.57 | kjs | I wouldnt mind doing some packaging for the debian project, is there a way of finding out what projects need .debs building? I don't want to start with something huge... |
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| 01:29.10 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 01:29.10 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 01:30.50 | kjs | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:31.05 | kjs | havent seen your nick in a while abrotman |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | you're not looking very hard .. |
| 01:33.27 | Devastator | abrotman thanks for your help today, package was backported |
| 01:33.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:33.45 | ranix | gj abrotman |
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| 01:33.56 | Devastator | well, at least is in queue |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | hiya ranix |
| 01:34.05 | Devastator | but I hope it is accepted.. |
| 01:35.46 | lasjsdfs | nsadmin: thanks for help |
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| 01:38.27 | Devastator | I'm going to bed, good night all |
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| 01:39.47 | p3rror | helo |
| 01:39.54 | p3rror | is there anyone using bacula ? |
| 01:40.25 | p3rror | my question is may i install qt before |
| 01:40.27 | p3rror | or no need |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:42.00 | p3rror | well i have to install bacula |
| 01:42.06 | p3rror | and i find this tuto http://beach-told.blogspot.com/2009/01/install-bacula-on-centos-52.html |
| 01:42.45 | p3rror | and i see there qt packages |
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| 01:55.00 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know of an application that can convert .wav files to cell phone ring tones? |
| 01:55.16 | krislappy | kingsley: audacity? |
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| 01:58.06 | nevyn | kingsley: what your asking may not be possible |
| 01:58.35 | nevyn | phones that support "truetone?" ringtones just play wav or mp3 files |
| 01:58.41 | kingsley | krislappy: I have run audacity and I do not see a menu option for exporting or saving in other formats. |
| 01:59.05 | nevyn | however many phones use a synthisis chip which requires a file much more like a mod than a wav |
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| 01:59.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | p3rror, why not just install the nice meta-package "bacula"? |
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| 02:00.25 | p3rror | CutMeOwnThroat, do you have a link |
| 02:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | link? |
| 02:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you do "aptitude install bacula"? |
| 02:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you need a link for |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | probably because his link is for centos ... and not really useful for installing on debian ? |
| 02:01.26 | kingsley | nevyn: Is my understanding correct that you think phones with synthesis chips may not have high enough fidelity to accurately reproduce the bit rate in a .wav file? |
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| 02:01.57 | p3rror | i'm interesting by gui version |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | kingsley: audacity could downsample it IIRC |
| 02:02.04 | p3rror | the bweb package |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | p3rror: aptitude install bacula |
| 02:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what format DO those phones use? |
| 02:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 02:03.56 | nevyn | kingsley: they work completly differently |
| 02:05.03 | nevyn | rather than a simple DSP they have a waveform generator and have a list of frequencies to play that waveform at. |
| 02:05.31 | nevyn | and by combining the waveforms and altering their characteristics you can generate different timbre's |
| 02:08.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | what would be the canonical location for the number of debian-developers (outside the ldap database)? debian-keyring? |
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| 02:12.30 | macrobat | !test |
| 02:12.30 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 02:12.39 | macrobat | :( |
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| 02:15.48 | rumpsy | i need a firewall program, which is best? |
| 02:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | iptables |
| 02:16.17 | dvs | ipmasq |
| 02:16.36 | rumpsy | oh, are they gui |
| 02:16.41 | dvs | no |
| 02:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | they are... |
| 02:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !best |
| 02:16.50 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, anyone for tennis? |
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| 02:17.45 | dvs | since Venus is gone... ;-) |
| 02:18.56 | rumpsy | i tried firestarter, but its not working for me, so i gonna try iptables |
| 02:19.00 | krislappy | kingsley: what other formats/ |
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| 02:19.04 | nevyn | rumpsy: why do you need a firewall programm? |
| 02:19.08 | krislappy | most sane phones would accept mp3s |
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| 02:19.31 | nevyn | is facinated that people think they need things without knowing how they work or what they do. |
| 02:19.38 | Floops | evening.. is there any reporting/logging that can send email if process or user account is using to many resources |
| 02:19.51 | hochron | would you suggest getting debian 5.0 or 5.03? |
| 02:20.12 | nevyn | Floops: nagios can do that with custom checks |
| 02:20.23 | Floops | hehe |
| 02:20.23 | nevyn | but there might be something less general purpose. |
| 02:20.28 | Floops | other than nagios3 |
| 02:20.32 | Floops | use it before |
| 02:20.38 | dvs | hochron: 5.0.3> you dont have a choice |
| 02:20.39 | Floops | looking for something else |
| 02:20.48 | nevyn | Floops: `opennms but again |
| 02:21.01 | hochron | ohhh thanx dvs |
| 02:21.03 | nevyn | Floops: the problem is that "too many resources" isn't something obvious |
| 02:21.11 | dvs | np |
| 02:21.13 | rumpsy | nevyn: its for my system safety |
| 02:21.14 | Floops | aye |
| 02:21.15 | Floops | agree |
| 02:21.26 | Floops | just something that will prompt the sytem via email |
| 02:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | rumpsy, interesting, what will it safeguard? |
| 02:21.39 | Floops | that users/account is running high |
| 02:21.53 | Floops | like a ups once it see any issues with its power |
| 02:22.13 | rumpsy | Hackers ! , i can ... unwanted pings |
| 02:22.25 | rumpsy | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^ |
| 02:22.35 | macrobat | rumpsy: do you run a server? |
| 02:22.44 | rumpsy | no !! |
| 02:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | pings threaten your security? |
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| 02:23.35 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 02:23.47 | TomyLobo | i'm currently updating from lenny to squeeze |
| 02:23.59 | TomyLobo | and it wants to remove kde |
| 02:24.02 | rumpsy | more number of pings to my ip, my slow down my internet speed |
| 02:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't prevent them from sending packets down the line |
| 02:24.30 | TomyLobo | i have no idea which step i'm in either |
| 02:24.45 | TomyLobo | i *think* it's full-upgrade |
| 02:24.55 | nevyn | rumpsy: you realise that you can't stop the incomming ping right? |
| 02:25.07 | rumpsy | yes |
| 02:25.27 | nevyn | unless you have access to a firewall at your isp. *note to isps this would be AWESOME please consider |
| 02:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Floops, while sleep 30; do uptime |awk '{if($12>1){print "send a mail"}}'; done |
| 02:26.20 | rumpsy | nevyn: what, how they give access to their firewal... its impossible |
| 02:26.26 | TomyLobo | i'm following the instructions in /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 02:26.37 | nevyn | it's not impossible |
| 02:26.39 | TomyLobo | and i definitely am in "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 02:26.47 | nevyn | it's just expensive |
| 02:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it? |
| 02:27.30 | rumpsy | CutMeOwnThroat: he may be right |
| 02:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | a lot of isps automatically offers email services |
| 02:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think they just think it would be so small a majority that would use that it's not worth the effort setting it up |
| 02:28.17 | rumpsy | Anyway Thank you for your info.. |
| 02:28.36 | rumpsy | i'll be back after an hour |
| 02:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | enjoy |
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| 02:31.06 | Floops | i will try CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | we need zonealarm for linux! |
| 02:31.53 | TomyLobo | hmm apparently it can't install an x server |
| 02:32.02 | TomyLobo | might be because i'm currently running one |
| 02:32.29 | TomyLobo | how do i shut it down? :) |
| 02:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | "/etc/init.d/[kgx]dm stop"? |
| 02:33.22 | kermit | when one has a 15% packet loss on their wireless connection, will any of the iwconfig tunables really help? |
| 02:33.33 | TomyLobo | CutMeOwnThroat thanks |
| 02:33.50 | dvs | kermit: no |
| 02:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | crank up the power? :) |
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| 02:37.29 | TomyLobo | ok that was not the solution :/ |
| 02:37.31 | TomyLobo | http://codepad.org/MrL8oI9T |
| 02:37.38 | TomyLobo | can anyone tell me what's wrong? |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | you're mixing versions of debian |
| 02:38.28 | TomyLobo | that is "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 02:38.48 | TomyLobo | i followed /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 02:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does aptitude whynot xserver-xorg-video-apm say? |
| 02:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it's hard to avoid mixing versions when you go from lenny to squeeze :) |
| 02:40.20 | TomyLobo | unable to find a reason |
| 02:40.41 | TomyLobo | Unable to find a reason to remove xserver-xorg-video-apm |
| 02:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it installed? |
| 02:41.11 | prince_jammys | i have "squeeze" everywhere in my sources.list, and ''APT::Default-Release "squeeze";'' in apt.conf. when squeeze becomes stable, i'll stay with stable, right? |
| 02:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 02:41.32 | prince_jammys | great |
| 02:41.41 | prince_jammys | thanks |
| 02:41.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | testing is just a softlink on the server |
| 02:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | which points to whatever is testing |
| 02:42.19 | TomyLobo | yes. aptitude says "i A" |
| 02:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the same as the 1st to characters of dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-apm I guess? |
| 02:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | A? |
| 02:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no A |
| 02:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ii is installed |
| 02:44.31 | TomyLobo | ii |
| 02:44.39 | TomyLobo | A means automatically installed |
| 02:44.44 | TomyLobo | in aptitude |
| 02:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right |
| 02:45.01 | TomyLobo | dpkg says ii |
| 02:45.02 | dpkg | TomyLobo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:45.44 | prince_jammys | this bot cracks me up every time. |
| 02:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | just tell it to shut up :) |
| 02:46.24 | TomyLobo | dpkg shut up |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 02:46.29 | TomyLobo | :D |
| 02:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | TomyLobo, I think the packages you have from multimedia are the problem |
| 02:46.46 | TomyLobo | multimedia? uh |
| 02:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, libavformat52 |
| 02:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian-multimedia |
| 02:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmm |
| 02:47.23 | TomyLobo | so what do i remove/install/upgrade to fix it? |
| 02:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | the other one it says "breaks" for is libxcb1, there I don't see why, though |
| 02:48.51 | dvs | TomyLobo: remove all references of lenny out of your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 02:49.02 | TomyLobo | done that, dvs |
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| 02:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so from the top... you probably don't need xserver-xorg-video-all, you only got one graphics card... but you do most probably need one of the packages it depends on |
| 02:49.22 | adv_ | anyone else having corrupted pkgs with latest daily netinst of squeeze>? |
| 02:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | if aptitude why-not doesn't tell you a reason to remove this, you shouldn't see your current pastebin |
| 02:49.37 | TomyLobo | grepped it for lenny. nothing |
| 02:49.49 | dvs | TomyLobo: and stable? |
| 02:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | removing libavformat52 should probably help |
| 02:50.04 | TomyLobo | dvs same |
| 02:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I really wonder about is libxcb1 |
| 02:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't remember ever seeing aptitude report "Breaks:" |
| 02:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:51.39 | TomyLobo | CutMeOwnThroat i dont know what kind of chip this laptop has, is there a server that works for all? |
| 02:51.45 | dvs | TomyLobo: install dpkg and aptitude first? |
| 02:51.45 | TomyLobo | oh, vesa |
| 02:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | libxcb-xlib0 isn't in testing/unstable, it's only in stable |
| 02:52.12 | TomyLobo | dvs i followed the guide, so yes i installed aptitude first |
| 02:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | for now I'd say remove libavformat52 and libxcb-xlib0, try again |
| 02:52.25 | TomyLobo | not dpkg though |
| 02:53.15 | dvs | TomyLobo: Probably not necessary then. |
| 02:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | libavformat52 will remove some programs you got from dmm... you can see if you can get them back from dmm/testing after the upgrade |
| 02:53.44 | dvs | TomyLobo: You can always reinstall x after the upgrade, |
| 02:53.45 | TomyLobo | it didnt |
| 02:53.53 | TomyLobo | it did exactly nothingm CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:54.25 | TomyLobo | aptitude remove libavformat52 - 0 packets removed |
| 02:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... did you make up this pastebin? |
| 02:55.30 | TomyLobo | i do not even seem to have that packet installed |
| 02:55.35 | TomyLobo | it's marked with p |
| 02:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | <TomyLobo> http://codepad.org/MrL8oI9T |
| 02:55.42 | TomyLobo | as opposed to c for cached |
| 02:55.49 | TomyLobo | i didnt |
| 02:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.22 | TomyLobo | i have no idea |
| 02:56.26 | TomyLobo | none at all |
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| 02:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, fun, there's a libavformat52 from debian.org and one from dmm, too |
| 02:57.25 | TomyLobo | what is dmm? |
| 02:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said above... |
| 02:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm |
| 02:57.36 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 02:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about "aptitude remove libavcodec51"? |
| 02:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems I misread the error |
| 02:58.53 | TomyLobo | i dont have anything but deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 02:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or typoed that to 52 |
| 02:59.02 | TomyLobo | +the according deb-src line |
| 02:59.15 | TomyLobo | CutMeOwnThroat i tried both :) |
| 02:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't be |
| 02:59.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what you're saying just doesn't match up |
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| 03:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there's a libavcodec51 in regular debian, too |
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| 03:01.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, probably not dmm then... those are all also in regular debian |
| 03:01.30 | TomyLobo | the scores went further down |
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| 03:01.50 | TomyLobo | it's still trying to remove kde :( |
| 03:01.57 | abrotman | so let it |
| 03:02.02 | allyourrejects | Why would you do that ? ;) |
| 03:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean why would you want to have kde? |
| 03:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't see a reason for that |
| 03:02.27 | allyourrejects | no, who wouldn't want kde |
| 03:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, like... everyone? |
| 03:02.44 | abrotman | allyourrejects: knock it off |
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| 03:04.11 | allyourrejects | lol, anyway. Anyone know if I'd be duplicating an effort to get Ubuntu's plasma-widget-network-manager into Sid ? |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 03:05.20 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde on OFTC |
| 03:05.49 | allyourrejects | ok thanks |
| 03:08.23 | TomyLobo | i'm not asking about kde |
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| 03:09.02 | abrotman | TomyLobo: wasn't tellng you |
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| 03:11.31 | TomyLobo | anyway, i'm currently having fun upgrading single packages while trying not to break anything... |
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| 03:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least it's educational |
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| 03:49.09 | rumpsy | i donno, why i'm not able identify by dpkg bot.. it omitted me :( |
| 03:49.35 | abrotman | rumpsy: you're not allowed to talk to the bot anymore, you were warned, now you've been ignored |
| 03:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | has someone been around removing factoids? |
| 03:50.57 | rumpsy | abrotman: That was happened, i agree with that, you can trust me now, |
| 03:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | in his dreams :) |
| 03:52.18 | rumpsy | CutMeOwnThroat: where is abrotman man? is he in channel? |
| 03:52.59 | rumpsy | I think he is not in this channel ! |
| 03:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's going to bed |
| 03:54.52 | rumpsy | i hate myself sometimes, because, words in my mind i can't able to express i miss some words inbetween ! |
| 03:55.14 | TomyLobo | read books |
| 03:55.20 | epsilon | better than voices in your head |
| 03:56.36 | rumpsy | Reading books can help me.. i agree |
| 03:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | people do sleep from time to time |
| 03:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and only us bots stay awake |
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| 04:00.20 | chant | Anyone know how to tell make-kpkg to use -j 4? |
| 04:00.32 | macius | hey is anyone here running debian on a macbookpro? if so could you tell me what drivers are being used for the touchpad? im personally using slackware 13, and my touchpad is being completely unresposive, synaptic is unloading on startup, and i cant seem to modprobe usbhid, and wondering how essential these are |
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| 04:01.02 | macius | sorry about the big msg, didnt realize how long it was until i clicked enter |
| 04:01.56 | nooper | thats ok, one long message is a lot better than 8 tiny ones |
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| 04:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 04:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | really |
| 04:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 04:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, macbook pro is a pc |
| 04:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think "ppc" every time I see a mac-something |
| 04:06.29 | Sacid | except that intel macs have EFI |
| 04:06.51 | nooper | electronic fuel injection? |
| 04:07.16 | nevyn | wierd bios system |
| 04:07.24 | tensorpudding | replacemtn for bios, more like |
| 04:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't matter for synaptic, though |
| 04:08.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what error do you get? |
| 04:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | chant, edit the makefile if everything fails? I'm sure there's an environment variable you can set, too... |
| 04:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | chant, actually, why don't you just look in man make-kpkg? |
| 04:10.33 | macius | well my /var/log/Xorg.0.log is showing me Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found |
| 04:11.07 | macius | and unloading after |
| 04:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what's the problem with loading usbhid? |
| 04:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, old chap |
| 04:11.39 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know |
| 04:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, synaptics |
| 04:11.48 | dpkg | somebody said synaptics was a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
| 04:12.02 | macius | am i allowed to paste here btw? its nto that long like 20 words i thinj |
| 04:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | <3 lines |
| 04:12.20 | macius | basically its an error inserting usbhid, not sure what that means |
| 04:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | else debhelper helps you... |
| 04:12.59 | macius | ah |
| 04:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | /msg dpkg paste or /msg dpkg pastebin for details |
| 04:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also pastebinit in debian |
| 04:13.53 | macius | dkpg: the problem with synaptics is thats just a driver that overs more functionlty right? im not getting any functionality so have no diea why lol ill try psmouse now i guess |
| 04:14.04 | macius | o shit |
| 04:14.05 | macius | lol |
| 04:14.21 | macius | CutMeOwnThroat i meant ** |
| 04:15.11 | macius | alright i pasted it |
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| 04:17.15 | macius | im quite confused how the bot works actually but i think i pasted it |
| 04:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 04:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pastebin |
| 04:17.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 04:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bot doesn't do paste services |
| 04:18.24 | macius | o lol hah thats what i assumed |
| 04:18.44 | macius | k i got it now |
| 04:19.06 | macius | FATAL: Error inserting usbhid (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/drivers/hid/usbhid/usbhid.ko): Invalid argument |
| 04:19.09 | macius | thats teh error then |
| 04:20.43 | macius | no idea why its happening tho could the usbhid driver be out of date? :S |
| 04:21.16 | macius | or is there a different way the modprobe to load it now |
| 04:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's from dmesg? |
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| 04:21.52 | macius | nono thats when i was attempting to load it using modprobe |
| 04:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | errors on inserting modules don't appear in the terminal, they only turn up in dmesg... |
| 04:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | if pastebinit isn't installed you could do aptitude install pastebinit |
| 04:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | then something along the lines |
| 04:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | modprobe -r usbhid; modprobe usbhid; dmesg |tail |pastebinit - |
| 04:23.22 | macius | hah nevermind it seems to be loaded, although its not understand modprobe |
| 04:24.35 | macius | did dmesg | grep usbhid and no problems, that makes me feel a bit better just not i have no clue of why the mouse isent being responsive |
| 04:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the line above is better |
| 04:27.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, there should be a line saying: usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid |
| 04:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can empty the dmesg buffer with dmesg -c (only root may) |
| 04:27.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's gone then, though! |
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| 04:28.39 | macius | hm when i tried modprobe -r and the reload it i got hid: exports duplicate symbol hid_unregister_driver (owned by kernel) |
| 04:28.45 | macius | in my dmesg |
| 04:29.05 | macius | and i cant really use aptitube in my case right |
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| 04:30.12 | macius | since im getting these errors on slackware and all i think i mentioned that above: the reason i was asking here is cause it works perfectly on my deb partition so want insight why |
| 04:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a version mismatch between kernel and module |
| 04:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | which would be very unusual for a debian kernel |
| 04:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | spell "impossible" |
| 04:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does uname -a say? |
| 04:32.03 | macius | so that would be my problem you think? |
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| 04:32.52 | macius | :S as a mentioned prior im not trying this for deb for some reason im understaing that you do ( deb worked out of the box actually ) lol |
| 04:33.07 | macius | Linux slackware-Winux 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Dec 7 16:02:16 CST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9600 @ 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| 04:33.13 | macius | thats still not to long right? |
| 04:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | which means it's offtopic here |
| 04:33.58 | macius | yes, but my first question was what drivers are being used for touchpad with debian |
| 04:34.02 | macius | which are essential |
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| 04:35.51 | macius | alright whatever ill thinker with usbhid , ty tho |
| 04:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you knew that... usbhid/usbdev/synaptics |
| 04:36.57 | spersaud | does anyone know if this is supported in Lenny yet, ? "VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]" |
| 04:38.00 | spersaud | or will I have to wait for Squeeze ? (Almost said squeezebox, hehe) |
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| 04:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that just the kernel module? |
| 04:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the wiki or one of those others says something useful |
| 04:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !radeonhd |
| 04:43.59 | dpkg | radeonhd is probably the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx (since version 1.2.2) family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:03.40 | paissad | do you think possible to build an i386 package from an amd64 system ? |
| 05:04.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | sure. in a chroot, or using pbuilder |
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| 05:06.37 | jmarsden | Or in a 32bit VM, if you really want to do it that way :) |
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| 05:23.38 | rumpsy | nomore reply ! |
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| 05:56.15 | bnijk | is there a bot that will let me leave messages for users in this channel? |
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| 05:59.55 | mythomaniac | bnijk: use notify |
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| 06:00.04 | bnijk | notify |
| 06:00.06 | bnijk | ? |
| 06:00.27 | bnijk | you use debian mythomaniac ? |
| 06:00.31 | mythomaniac | bnijk: i believe its /notify <nick> <message> its a command of freenode |
| 06:00.47 | bnijk | oic |
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| 06:01.19 | mythomaniac | bnijk: its notice |
| 06:01.30 | mythomaniac | bnijk: type /help |
| 06:01.35 | bnijk | did i miss anything in ##politics mythomaniac |
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| 06:03.02 | mythomaniac | bnijk: not realy dude... the place is for rats... |
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| 06:03.06 | bnijk | lol |
| 06:03.19 | mythomaniac | bnijk: and yes i use debian, debian testing |
| 06:03.45 | bnijk | no kidding |
| 06:03.54 | mythomaniac | yes sir i do.... |
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| 06:06.00 | dkr | heh |
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| 06:22.09 | TiMIDo | I'm The Glitch In The Matrix |
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| 06:25.46 | dkr | TiMiDo: I could have sworn I saw you type that before. |
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| 06:32.31 | simonrvn | he's not the glitch in the matrix, he's having one. |
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| 06:34.01 | diz_Child | can a swap disk be may on a ntfs disk as a swap file? |
| 06:34.23 | diz_Child | can a swap disk be made on a ntfs disk as a swap file? |
| 06:34.30 | simonrvn | it'll need r/w access |
| 06:36.13 | simonrvn | you may be able to get away with using the r/w ntfs without using the fuse driver (i.e. it won't change size); but you'll have to create it using the fuse one (IIRC the in-kernel 'regular' driver doesn't support file creation). |
| 06:36.26 | simonrvn | i could be wrong though |
| 06:36.40 | simonrvn | ...about the latter part i said |
| 06:39.45 | diz_Child | um... acctually I just want to know anybody have done this. |
| 06:40.23 | diz_Child | i have only got a ntfs-3g, it's not a in-kernel drv... |
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| 06:43.36 | simonrvn | i don't know of anyone doing this, but that's one idea. why i was suggesting you use the one that comes with the kernel is because of potential performance issues (aside from using a swap file). |
| 06:44.42 | simonrvn | i wouldn't be surprised if it's already been done (hint hint ;) |
| 06:45.11 | diz_Child | O:-) |
| 06:45.39 | peterrooney | simonrvn: hear, hear. I find I'm never the first person to experience any computer problem. |
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| 06:47.11 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:49.07 | mythomaniac | diz_Child: how much memory do you have? |
| 06:49.25 | nsadmin | peterrooney you could change that by running experimental... |
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| 06:49.46 | simonrvn | nsadmin: hehe |
| 06:50.06 | diz_Child | mythomaniac: ... |
| 06:50.19 | mythomaniac | diz_Child: ? |
| 06:50.40 | diz_Child | mythomaniac: i have 100 RMB... |
| 06:50.56 | diz_Child | mythomaniac: :-D |
| 06:51.13 | nsadmin | diz_Child: if you don't want to supply answers to questions asked in order to help you, then why are you asking? |
| 06:52.12 | nsadmin | or what did you mean by "..." |
| 06:52.13 | peterrooney | nsadmin: now my neighbours KNOW what my laugh sounds like. |
| 06:52.24 | nsadmin | heh :) |
| 06:52.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:53.33 | diz_Child | if i pay 100RMB, anybody can solve this problem? |
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| 06:54.08 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 06:54.43 | nsadmin | oh I get it... I think he took "how much memory" as "how much money will you pay for a sol'n" |
| 06:55.11 | simonrvn | oh maybe |
| 06:55.24 | simonrvn | diz_Child: memory, i.e. RAM |
| 06:55.49 | diz_Child | oh, sorry... |
| 06:55.57 | diz_Child | =-O |
| 06:56.07 | jmarsden | diz_Child: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#swap suggests that yes, this has been done before. |
| 06:56.50 | prince_jammys | a not-so-frequently-seen yet pretty funny smiley. |
| 06:57.01 | simonrvn | (and by 'hint hint ;)' i meant jfgi ;) |
| 06:57.13 | diz_Child | thanks all... |
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| 06:58.09 | diz_Child | I have 2G RAM |
| 06:58.26 | adb | i run an 3-rd apps which needs libtcl8.5, but then say "Application initialization failed: version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.5.3, need exactly 8.4" , changing default system to libtcl8.4 , apps complain about not having libtcl8.5 .. |
| 06:58.59 | adb | system is lenny |
| 06:59.25 | nsadmin | is tcl-8.5 in lenny? |
| 06:59.32 | adb | yes |
| 06:59.45 | adb | 8.4 too |
| 06:59.59 | nsadmin | maybe you have one of each? |
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| 07:00.27 | adb | i have both .. |
| 07:01.20 | nsadmin | is that tcllib? |
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| 07:02.08 | adb | but i don't get what tclsh is used for , no are tcl8.5 and tcl8.5 |
| 07:02.17 | nsadmin | something must be doing a package require Tcl 8.4 |
| 07:02.57 | nsadmin | tclsh would be the interpreter |
| 07:03.22 | adb | it point to tcl8.4 |
| 07:03.51 | adb | /etc/alternatives/tclsh -> /usr/bin/tclsh8.4 |
| 07:04.30 | nsadmin | so then the question becomes what's calling tclsh |
| 07:04.47 | adb | my apps ? |
| 07:05.59 | nsadmin | do your scriupts have #!/usr/bin/tclsh |
| 07:06.11 | peterrooney | update-alternatives --config tclsh |
| 07:06.46 | mythomaniac | oh btw since you guys are on the subject... i really do love undate-alternatives tool... |
| 07:06.58 | mythomaniac | err update-alternatives |
| 07:07.07 | simonrvn | very useful yes |
| 07:07.14 | mythomaniac | indeed |
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| 07:07.32 | simonrvn | i sometimes use it outside of the packaing scripts and such |
| 07:07.38 | simonrvn | packaging* |
| 07:07.48 | mythomaniac | simonrvn: what do you mean? |
| 07:08.19 | simonrvn | locally installed thingy |
| 07:08.25 | mythomaniac | ah... |
| 07:09.23 | adb | nsadmin, all apps is write_d in files.tcl so not really |
| 07:09.54 | simonrvn | for instance. later, Zzzzz... for me |
| 07:09.59 | adb | peterrooney, update-alternatives has only tclsh lternatives .. |
| 07:10.18 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.54 | peterrooney | adb: update-alternatives --all # ? that would probably take a while, though |
| 07:15.04 | adb | maybe , but tclsh is only one |
| 07:15.27 | peterrooney | on my lenny, shows both 8.4 and 8.5 available |
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| 07:18.08 | adb | peterrooney, sorry, you right |
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| 07:19.24 | xxtjaxx | morning folks currently trying sid on my netbook works fine except for the rt2860 wireless recommendations howto fix? |
| 07:20.10 | adb | peterrooney, but that don't change the error |
| 07:20.39 | thechef | is there a tool to check static html for dead links? |
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| 07:20.53 | nsadmin | why are you running sid? (if it's -anything- but "I want to help debian, and I do NOT use this for any real work", you should reconsider and move to stable) |
| 07:21.41 | kingsley | has been using sid for real work or years. |
| 07:21.46 | adb | anyways i'll try later , is too late now , thanks nsadmin , peterrooney |
| 07:22.21 | nsadmin | kingsley so, you back up a lot? |
| 07:22.24 | xxtjaxx | nsadmin: i dont mind if its ropy at times so long i caN find a way to fix it |
| 07:22.33 | kingsley | nsadmin: Every night. |
| 07:22.54 | kingsley | nsadmin: I also only upgrade specific packages from time to time. |
| 07:23.16 | kingsley | nsadmin: I depend on dependencies. |
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| 07:24.01 | xxtjaxx | kingsley: what are you dending on/ what are yu doing with the mahine? |
| 07:24.15 | nsadmin | xxtjaxx: it's expected if you're running sid that you know how to find problems, to the point you know C and can locate and possibly fix problems in compiled apps and the kernel |
| 07:25.31 | nsadmin | but expectations don't have so much effect as that of sid being so new people haven't seen a lot of the problems in it yet |
| 07:25.45 | nsadmin | have you checked the bts? |
| 07:25.47 | xxtjaxx | i found the problem the driver module (rt2860sta) doesnt initialize correctly |
| 07:25.53 | kingsley | xxtjaxx: It was a wry joke. It means I depend on package dependencies to keep my software consistent when I upgrade individual packages from time to time. |
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| 07:27.12 | kingsley | xxtjaxx: I use the machine for many things. email, web surfing, writing, image processing, voice mail, research, web site development... |
| 07:27.26 | xxtjaxx | kingsley: ah thats what you mean ; nsadmin not yet since i am talking here remote via my ph_ne |
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| 07:30.00 | xxtjaxx | i found out that the NICLoadfirmware fails gonna send it to bts soon as iget home |
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| 07:32.05 | xxtjaxx | kingsley: i use squeeze on my production machine sid on both my laptops(eee for daily on the fly, and A9Rp for travelling in the hotel/cons) |
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| 07:50.23 | NoCode | Can I use unetbootin with a Squeeze daily build ISO? |
| 07:51.42 | mythomaniac | NoCode: you could... but there has been a problem with squeeze install disks, at least there was, in that it failed to install grub at the end |
| 07:52.05 | mythomaniac | NoCode: that bug may have changed now... |
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| 07:53.37 | NoCode | hmm, okay. I'll just burn the image to disk then. Ugh, I hate wasting CDs now. |
| 07:53.52 | mythomaniac | NoCode: no that isn't what i meant |
| 07:54.26 | mythomaniac | NoCode: you can still use unetbootin, if the bug still exists... it wont matter how you install it |
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| 07:54.42 | NoCode | So the image is generally is generally messed up then? |
| 07:54.53 | mythomaniac | NoCode: the installer is, yes |
| 07:55.02 | NoCode | okay |
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| 07:55.38 | NoCode | How long ago was the bug established? |
| 07:55.39 | mythomaniac | NoCode: the best bet is to use lenny biz cd, install base, and then change repositories to squeeze and update it |
| 07:56.15 | mythomaniac | NoCode: or use unetbotin to dump the lenny biz cd on a usb disk |
| 07:56.52 | NoCode | I've installed Lenny via daily build ISO probably 2 or 3 months ago.. It's why I'm asking |
| 07:56.59 | NoCode | From CD. |
| 07:57.39 | mythomaniac | NoCode: and the system that you will be installing testing on... is it the lenny box? |
| 07:57.41 | NoCode | If anything I guess I'll take the chance with a newer daily build ISO, if that doesn't work I'll use my older Daily build ISO |
| 07:57.53 | mythomaniac | NoCode: there ya go... |
| 07:57.58 | liable | h/window close 12 |
| 07:57.59 | NoCode | damn, I ment Squeeze. Sorry. |
| 07:58.05 | mythomaniac | NoCode: ah |
| 07:58.23 | mythomaniac | so the bug has been fixed, thanks for letting me know NoCode ;) |
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| 08:04.29 | rgr | after last squeeze update I'm without x and without wireless. I have now rebooted with ethernet plugged in but not automatically online. Can someone please guide to me geting it talking to my router over the cable. |
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| 08:06.47 | mythomaniac | rgr: hehe i'm without x too on squeeze ;) |
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| 08:09.30 | Ghost1227 | question. debian doesn't appear to have an /etc/profile.d directory... is there an alternative to it that provides the same functionality under debian? |
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| 08:11.19 | NoCode | I'm just downloading the daily build ISO at the moment. Going to install Squeeze here soon. Anxious to try the 2.6.32 kernel |
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| 08:12.53 | rgr | Im without networking too. I nreally need help. the laptop is my main workmachine. |
| 08:13.19 | mythomaniac | NoCode: no problems with the new kernel... but for me xrog is broken for the time being... it cannot find the driver that i install, its a nvidia card |
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| 08:14.44 | NoCode | Ah I see. I use GM965. Hopefully there are big improvements |
| 08:14.48 | Arrowmaster | hmm i guess its a good thing i held off on updating x and the nvidia drivers since i didnt want to reboot or restart x |
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| 08:15.06 | Ghost1227 | no one got an answer for me? |
| 08:15.07 | rgr | mythomaniac: mine is Intel fgx- if I remove xorg completely nothing. if I use the auto generatzed one I get a corrupt screen. I i hard code the screen device I get a desktop ONLY if I first boot to recovery console and then startx - if I do a clean restart with that same xorg.conf I get a corrupt desktp. And this is an OLD laptio with 82830 Intel card. This is beyond funny. Oh and its broken dbus so wicd wont start. |
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| 08:15.09 | NoCode | is hoping in big improvements |
| 08:15.21 | NoCode | s/in/for/ |
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| 08:16.00 | mythomaniac | rgr: wow, harsh... |
| 08:16.06 | rgr | but I have ehternet cable in now - can someone please help me get online. |
| 08:16.32 | NoCode | man ifconfig |
| 08:16.36 | rgr | streuth |
| 08:17.12 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: be patient. We may not even know what /etc/profile.d/ is supposed to do. |
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| 08:18.07 | Ghost1227 | jelly-hme, valid point, but in such case asking me for clarification would have helped :P http://bash.cyberciti.biz/guide//etc/profile.d |
| 08:18.44 | Ghost1227 | or even better... http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/6.2.0/postlfs/profile.html |
| 08:19.01 | rgr | it says eth0 up and then when I ping my router it says network is unreachable |
| 08:19.25 | tuv | rgr: no ip? |
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| 08:23.42 | jdm64 | running unstable kernel and load is a constant 1.0 but there's no cpu usage reported? bug? |
| 08:24.02 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: well. There's /etc/default/locale for locale settings. There's /etc/environment for any global environment variables. There's no run-parts directory for interactive shells like what seems to be described on those pages, AFAIK. |
| 08:24.18 | kjs | when did support end for etch? |
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| 08:25.19 | rgr | tuv: have ip now. not resolving |
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| 08:25.29 | jelly-hme | kjs: not yet, still a month or so |
| 08:25.36 | Ghost1227 | jelly-hme, ok... so if a script needed to be run immediately after login on a tty, where would it be put? |
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| 08:26.25 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: depends on the shell in question |
| 08:26.43 | rgr | ok, route add default gateway solves that |
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| 08:27.02 | Ghost1227 | jelly-hme, it's a bash script... but should be compatible with dash |
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| 08:28.34 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: I guess you'll want to read INVOCATION from the bash manual |
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| 08:30.44 | Ghost1227 | jelly-hme, not really what i'm looking for... |
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| 08:32.06 | jelly-hme | the way I see it, nothing stops you from editing the relevant files and adding that run-parts like functionality |
| 08:32.52 | Ghost1227 | if it was just for me, true... but this is theoretically for inclusion in a package |
| 08:33.36 | jelly-hme | !xyproblem |
| 08:33.36 | dpkg | somebody said xyproblem was people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
| 08:34.07 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: you might want to ask bash maintainers then |
| 08:34.34 | rgr | mythomaniac: could you at least Ctl-alt-f1 to a terminal? I cant. |
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| 08:35.35 | Ghost1227 | i'm assuming you mean the maintainers for the debian package as opposed to upstream devs? |
| 08:35.43 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: correct |
| 08:35.53 | Ghost1227 | ok |
| 08:36.02 | Ghost1227 | um |
| 08:36.11 | Ghost1227 | what's the easiest way to find that out |
| 08:36.18 | Ghost1227 | << doesn't use debian |
| 08:36.42 | mythomaniac | rgr: yeah i have no problem with terminals.... just cannot get xorg to work... it crashes as it loads |
| 08:36.53 | Armageddon | how do I get the gpg for squeeze ? |
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| 08:37.35 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: http://packages.qa.debian.org/bash |
| 08:37.38 | krion | hi |
| 08:37.41 | mythomaniac | rgr: as a matter of fact, tty1 with screen and 6 prgrams running, and tty2 with another |
| 08:37.49 | Ghost1227 | jelly-hme, thanks |
| 08:38.04 | rgr | lucky you;) |
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| 08:42.59 | jelly-hme | Ghost1227: if you're not going for inclusion in Debian, you don't have to follow debian-policy with your packages, which means you can mess with other package's conffiles (/etc/profile, or whatnot) |
| 08:43.14 | Armageddon | I am trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, after changing the source.list and updating I get an error saying a GPG miss match, how do I fix that ? |
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| 08:45.36 | rgr | mythomaniac: even more annoyingly vesa is corrupt too. Wow. |
| 08:46.27 | mythomaniac | rgr: LOL wow... yeah i haven't even tried to use vesa because... i wouldn't be happy with my desktop without full 2d, 3d rending.... |
| 08:47.00 | mythomaniac | rgr: so i'm content right now with cli... |
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| 08:48.16 | mythomaniac | rgr: anything i need gui for i have my laptop, which also has testing on it... but isn't updated as frequent as my desktop |
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| 08:49.37 | nvz | my wifi goes out fairly often and the only thing that seems to make it work again is a full reset rmmod ath5k; modprobe ath5k; ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0, then I can connect again |
| 08:49.58 | nvz | anyone have any suggestions on how to track down and resolve such an issue? |
| 08:50.38 | nvz | I've been using my own scripts to reset and reconnect and not using any automatic network manager simply because they don't work due to this issue |
| 08:51.02 | nvz | I believe it to be acpi related |
| 08:51.52 | mischievious | nvz, try booting your kernel with noacpi? |
| 08:52.10 | nvz | hmm.. couldn't that be dangerous on a netbook/ |
| 08:52.26 | nvz | I kinda need my fans and stuff to work |
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| 08:52.48 | nvz | though on that note there seem to be no lmsensors supported or anything in /proc/acpi/fans |
| 08:52.53 | Armageddon | I am trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, after changing the source.list and updating I get an error saying a GPG miss match, how do I fix that ? |
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| 08:53.01 | nvz | so apparently my system does all that without the kernel now |
| 08:54.05 | nvz | Armageddon: you can most likely continue anyhow |
| 08:54.11 | rgr | whats the story with xmodmap and X on squeeze? My xmonad remappings have all broken in addition to X and networking. |
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| 08:54.24 | nvz | Armageddon: the reason being is that the keys in debian-archive-keyring are currently for lenny |
| 08:54.46 | nvz | Armageddon: until you have the debian-archive-keyring for squeeze packages will not authenticate |
| 08:55.18 | Armageddon | nvz, that's why I asked |
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| 08:55.22 | nvz | Armageddon: however they can be installed without authentication, thats just a warning. a solution would be to fetch the new keyring with apt, then apt-get update again, or to manually do the key |
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| 08:55.44 | Armageddon | nvz, update did not work tried it |
| 08:55.47 | jelly-hme | nvz: are the packages/Release file(s) not signed with both keys? |
| 08:55.55 | nvz | hell if I know |
| 08:56.12 | nvz | I was just guessing. he paraphrased the error, I paraphrased and guessed the solution |
| 08:56.21 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: does apt/aptitude complain about particular packages, or about the Release file? |
| 08:56.31 | Armageddon | nvz, your solution is the one that aptitude gave |
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| 08:56.40 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: pastebin the complete, actual output of the command you ran |
| 08:56.42 | Armageddon | jelly-hme, |
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| 08:57.04 | Armageddon | its one line jelly-hme, there you go |
| 08:57.05 | jelly-hme | Armageddon, |
| 08:57.06 | Armageddon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.43 | Armageddon | yes ? |
| 08:57.48 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: what nvz said, ignore it for now |
| 08:58.06 | Armageddon | ok I'm continuing with the upgrade |
| 08:58.09 | nvz | ignore it unless you're paranoid, then fix the key before doing the full upgrade |
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| 08:58.39 | Armageddon | nvz, if it does not interfer with anytihng, I'm ok with it |
| 08:58.48 | jelly-hme | Armageddon: if aptitude doesn't complain about actual packages, it's not an issue |
| 08:58.53 | Armageddon | but I couldn't find any link to how to fix the key |
| 08:59.23 | Armageddon | ok cool |
| 08:59.29 | nvz | Armageddon: the keys are just for you to be able to authenticate the packages so you know they are official and signed by the maintainer. If you are not worried that you are fetching tampered packages, then its not an issue |
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| 09:00.07 | nvz | Armageddon: if your sources are squeeze you should simply be able to upgrade the debian-archive-keyring package and then apt-get update again before doing the full upgrade |
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| 09:00.40 | Armageddon | nvz, how do I do that ? |
| 09:01.13 | nvz | Armageddon: a simple apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:01.16 | nvz | should do the trick |
| 09:01.26 | nvz | since there should be a newer version available than the one installed |
| 09:01.45 | nvz | you do however have to apt-get update after installing new keys |
| 09:03.09 | Armageddon | I'm trying nvz |
| 09:03.10 | Armageddon | thanks a lot |
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| 09:03.39 | nvz | no problem. While its always good to ask things your |
| 09:03.57 | nvz | you are unsure of, you should learn in the future to distinguish between errors and warnings |
| 09:04.00 | zmotok | hello guys, can anyone please tell me how to limit memory usage per process in a debian system? |
| 09:04.31 | nvz | granted it did say "error" but it was only a warning |
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| 09:04.45 | rgr | any other xmonad users here - how do you remap your keys in squeeze now xmodmap doesnt work? I read xorg.conf but other places says that shouldnt even exist. |
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| 09:07.05 | Armageddon | nvz, how do I know which distro am I using ! |
| 09:07.09 | nvz | zmotok: ulimit, perhaps |
| 09:07.26 | zmotok | nvz: ulimit only works for shell spawned processes.. |
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| 09:07.46 | nvz | Armageddon: cat /etc/debian_version, dpkg -l libc6.. |
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| 09:08.06 | Armageddon | 5.0.4 :/ that's lenny |
| 09:08.11 | Arafangion | How do I get my wifi card to work? lspci identifies it as a RaLink RT2561/RT61 |
| 09:08.15 | nvz | zmotok: true. |
| 09:08.57 | nvz | Arafangion: I'd rather have the vend/prod ids.. helps to paste the whole lspci line.. |
| 09:09.45 | nvz | the 'name' of hardware is rarely accurate or specific enough to rely on |
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| 09:10.13 | Arafangion | 02:02.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 09:10.23 | Arafangion | nvz: I'm noticing that it's plausible that it is already working. |
| 09:10.42 | nvz | Arafangion: well it may be partially working |
| 09:10.42 | Arafangion | nvz: It's supposedly a linksys. :) |
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| 09:11.10 | Arafangion | What I want is something that tells me what networks are available, etc |
| 09:11.26 | nvz | Arafangion: could you pastebin your /var/log/dmesg and lspci -n, and maybe even cat /proc/net/wireless |
| 09:11.44 | nvz | Arafangion: wicd is great for that, but if you're in lenny you will need backports for it |
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| 09:12.04 | nvz | Arafangion: the best thing I know of in lenny is wifi-radar and its a pile of crap. |
| 09:12.25 | Arafangion | I'm using testing (What's the name of that?) |
| 09:12.40 | nvz | Arafangion: it should be in testing.. its called wicd |
| 09:12.51 | nvz | !info wicd squeeze |
| 09:13.05 | Arafangion | wishes he knew why network-manager always seems to be installed. |
| 09:13.13 | Arafangion | Ahh, squeeze. |
| 09:13.18 | Arafangion | That's the name I was after, then. :) |
| 09:13.34 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you really need to maintainence dpkg. his package info seems to still think etch is current stable |
| 09:14.09 | nvz | and appending squeeze to a package name seems to confuse the bot |
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| 09:15.33 | nvz | Arafangion: I've found that with wicd you can get rid of network-manager |
| 09:15.44 | Arafangion | Excellent, I shall do so. |
| 09:15.48 | nvz | Arafangion: it seems to run as a daemon at startup and provide all the functionality |
| 09:15.59 | nvz | Arafangion: it handles wired interfaces too not just wifi |
| 09:16.22 | Arafangion | Deleted. :) |
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| 09:17.12 | nvz | I've been removing n-m and installing wicd from backports on all laptops I've been installing debian on lately |
| 09:17.25 | nvz | I find it to work much better and be a lot easier to use |
| 09:18.19 | nvz | I don't use it on mine simply because my wireless seems to crap out and need to be reset.. so I've hacked a custom script to manage my networks |
| 09:19.00 | nvz | that noacpi idea might solve the issue, I just don't particularly want to reboot right now, especially if it introduces other problems and/or doesnt work and I then have to reboot again to re-enable it |
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| 09:19.34 | nvz | I am thinking its acpi related, as it just did it to me a while ago and it was after the screen blanked |
| 09:19.58 | nvz | usually happens when I am watching hulu or something and not touching the computer.. so thats what leads me to believe its acpi causing the problem |
| 09:20.34 | Arafangion | nvz: Sorry about the delay: http://paste.debian.net/57862 |
| 09:20.45 | nvz | I have other related issues, like the fact that this f'n machine seems to blank the screen randomly even after I've done xset s off, and xset -dpms and disabled all screensaver options in gnome.. |
| 09:21.02 | nvz | so I think the acpi is just fucked on this machine is whats causing all my problems |
| 09:21.13 | Arafangion | nvz: Also, http://paste.debian.net/57863 for the other files. |
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| 09:21.35 | Arafangion | nvz: I'm currently chatting via tightvnc, and cut&paste doesn't work, so forgive me if I make a typo. :) |
| 09:25.30 | nvz | Arafangion: seems like a nice little system you got there, and the wifi was detected.. and you are running the most recent kernel, so its probably all working then |
| 09:25.53 | Arafangion | nvz: Hmm, well it's not seeing the SSID. |
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| 09:27.05 | nvz | Arafangion: well I know that the 2.6.18 has problems a lot with laptop wireless cards due to the rfkill not being there or up to date |
| 09:27.09 | Arafangion | nvz: And yeah, this ~6 year old system just got upgraded with a newer Debian (iceweasel 3 is fab!), and a new HDD. |
| 09:27.20 | nvz | Arafangion: but 2.6.32 should have that resolved |
| 09:27.28 | nvz | works for me |
| 09:27.40 | Arafangion | wicd just says "no wireless networks found". |
| 09:27.48 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah I was wondering about that.. seemed strange that there was a 1tb in that machine |
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| 09:28.23 | nvz | Arafangion: what does iwconfig wlan0 scan, say? |
| 09:28.25 | Arafangion | nvz: The new HDD makes a *huge* performance difference! |
| 09:28.35 | caraconan | Hi. I've got two laptops (1 => Ad-hoc 2 => associated to 1) and them pinging well now |
| 09:28.38 | nvz | Arafangion: same no results message, or an error about the interface? |
| 09:28.43 | Arafangion | nvz: let me just install that. |
| 09:29.02 | nvz | Arafangion: shouldnt have to, you don't have wireless-tools installed already? |
| 09:29.08 | caraconan | Question: how could I reach internet from 2? 1 is now connected to internet via ethernet wire |
| 09:29.23 | caraconan | Should I do something special with route? |
| 09:29.29 | Arafangion | nvz: Turns out I did, just wasn't on my path. |
| 09:29.37 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah has to be run as root |
| 09:29.54 | Arafangion | As root? If I run it as user, it says "unknown command "scan"". |
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| 09:30.04 | Arafangion | has a habit of running as a user. |
| 09:30.25 | caraconan | <Arafangion> iwlist wlan0 scan => if wlan0 is your wifi interface |
| 09:30.26 | nvz | caraconan: you would need to setup ipmasquerading or bridge the interfaces |
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| 09:30.42 | caraconan | ok, better second option, I have it documented |
| 09:30.43 | nvz | Arafangion: ah my bad. its iwlist |
| 09:30.44 | caraconan | Thanks a lot |
| 09:30.50 | nvz | caraconan: well,, |
| 09:31.03 | Arafangion | It says that the interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down |
| 09:31.05 | nvz | caraconan: that only works if the device you are connected to on 1 allows another ip to be leased |
| 09:31.17 | nvz | caraconan: if its a modem and you only own one IP from the ISP, then it wont work that way |
| 09:31.51 | nvz | Arafangion: ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 |
| 09:32.09 | nvz | Arafangion: that will bring up and initialize the interface, then try iwlist or wicd again |
| 09:32.20 | caraconan | Thes schemma is: 2[Laptop] ) ) ) ) ( ( ( ( 1[Laptop] ==== [Router] ==== [Internet] |
| 09:32.28 | caraconan | And 1 is on Ad-hoc mode |
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| 09:32.43 | caraconan | Know 1 and 2 pinging well, but 2 does not reach internet |
| 09:32.54 | caraconan | Because on 1 I should do a bridge |
| 09:32.57 | Arafangion | nvz: Apparently, the result is: SIOSCIFFLAGS: No such file or directory. |
| 09:33.07 | nvz | caraconan: well if you have a router, then you should be able to bridge the wireless and wired interfaces on the laptop 1 and then dhclient br0 and then be able to dhclient wlan0 on 2 and get IPS on both |
| 09:33.19 | nvz | Arafangion: doing the ifconfig/ |
| 09:33.24 | caraconan | <Arafangion> don't trust too this message... Try to continue anyway |
| 09:33.38 | Arafangion | I then tried iwlist, but it had no change. |
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| 09:34.02 | caraconan | I will try. Thans |
| 09:34.09 | nvz | Arafangion: do you know where your wireless switch is? |
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| 09:34.40 | nvz | Arafangion: sometimes its an actual switch or button, other times its a function key |
| 09:34.59 | nvz | Arafangion: usually this is either a firmware problem or a problem with the rfkill switch on the laptop |
| 09:35.00 | Arafangion | It's a desktop system, I physically installed the card yesterday. |
| 09:35.24 | nvz | Arafangion: ah.. I assumed because of all the mention of buttons an lights in the dmesg it was a laptop |
| 09:35.57 | Arafangion | No problem. :) |
| 09:36.42 | nvz | Arafangion: well I seen no messages in the dmesg log about missing firmware.. so idk.. |
| 09:36.59 | nvz | and /proc/net/wireless indicates its wlan0 |
| 09:37.07 | nvz | however the only mention in dmesg is of phy0 |
| 09:37.16 | nvz | maybe try phy0 instead? |
| 09:37.58 | Arafangion | Not even ifconfig knows phy0 |
| 09:38.08 | Arafangion | This is a brand new installation of Testing. |
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| 09:38.50 | nvz | this is where I'd usually say kernel upgrade time, but last I checked 2.6.32 is the current stable tree |
| 09:38.53 | nvz | which you are running.. |
| 09:39.29 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 09:40.11 | Arafangion | Incidentially, more recent dmesg output contains references to: Error - Failed to request Firmware. |
| 09:40.27 | Arafangion | Just checked again. :) |
| 09:40.55 | nvz | ah.. |
| 09:40.56 | nvz | hehe |
| 09:41.02 | nvz | well that explains it then.. |
| 09:41.16 | Arafangion | Just checking a website... |
| 09:41.21 | nvz | me too |
| 09:41.23 | Arafangion | Bah, the 'official' website is down. |
| 09:41.29 | nvz | no biggie |
| 09:41.47 | Arafangion | i seem to have the impression that the driver is all included in the mainline kernel now, except for the firmware. |
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| 09:43.10 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah firmware is always seperate |
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| 09:43.18 | nvz | I found a hit on ailoth |
| 09:43.42 | nvz | its from 07 and doesnt fully explain |
| 09:43.45 | nvz | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ralink-maintainers/2007-November/000172.html |
| 09:43.58 | nvz | seems though you are looking for a package related to the name rt2x00 |
| 09:44.04 | nvz | I'd search your package cache for that |
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| 09:44.19 | Arafangion | I suppose I'll have to add non-free before that search. |
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| 09:44.41 | _abc_ | can anyone check whence speexdsp.pc comes from? i have it on my system and i cannot find it |
| 09:44.50 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah good idea.. non-free/contrib because firmware is rarely open source for wireles |
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| 09:45.05 | nvz | well DFSG compliant anyhow |
| 09:45.26 | nvz | _abc_: packages.debian.org |
| 09:45.42 | nvz | _abc_: if its in a debian package, you will find it thee |
| 09:45.47 | nvz | there even |
| 09:46.30 | caraconan | <nvz> reviewing my howto-bridge I see 2(client) and 1(Ad-hoc) should have IP's on same range, isn't it? |
| 09:46.57 | Arafangion | nvz: This could be painful... I've got a winXP box acting as a router. |
| 09:47.00 | caraconan | I would likte to mantain 2 different networks: 1 <-> 2(wifi) and 2(eth) <-> router |
| 09:47.14 | nvz | caraconan: I'd not manual this.. you just dhclient br0 on the bridged machine, then dhclient wlan0 on the other |
| 09:47.17 | caraconan | But if is not possible is not vital. |
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| 09:47.37 | nvz | caraconan: the adhoc association is needed to be done manually, but the IPs it will get through the bridge from the router |
| 09:47.44 | caraconan | On 2 I have no dhcp installed |
| 09:47.55 | _abc_ | nvz it is not there that's why i am asking. has anyone else got this package on their systems? |
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| 09:48.05 | caraconan | neither the router... |
| 09:48.07 | nvz | caraconan: it doesn't get dhcp from the bridge, it passes through the bridge and gets the ip from the router |
| 09:48.20 | caraconan | No dhcp on the router |
| 09:48.37 | nvz | caraconan: ah, well then either way, wlan0 on the end machine, and br0 on the bridge machine need ips on the same subnet as the router, yes |
| 09:48.57 | caraconan | But my question is: it is possible to mantain 2(client) on other network different that the bridge? |
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| 09:49.18 | caraconan | 2 different networks: 1 <-> 2(wifi) and 2(eth) <-> router |
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| 09:49.58 | nvz | caraconan: once you bridge 2's wifi and eth, they essentially dont exist anymore as far as we are concerned |
| 09:50.09 | nvz | caraconan: its now br0 the bridge, and there is only one interface |
| 09:50.11 | caraconan | I supposed... |
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| 09:50.21 | caraconan | Thanks a lot, I will try now |
| 09:50.24 | nvz | caraconan: as far as 1 is concerned, it doesnt even know 2 is there at that level |
| 09:50.39 | caraconan | ok |
| 09:50.42 | nvz | caraconan: it knows its there at a hardware level because it is associating with it.. but at the IP level its unaware of the bridge |
| 09:51.05 | caraconan | Yes, it's transparent for him |
| 09:51.21 | caraconan | One 'virtual interface' with 2 real physical interfaces |
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| 09:51.22 | nvz | networking isnt my strong point, but I know enough to get by.. heh |
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| 09:51.44 | nvz | I'm just a certified IT tech, and Linux ceritified tech.. I've no special training in networking |
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| 09:54.11 | caraconan | Both wifi and eth interfaces of Ad-hoc should be bridged, isn't it? |
| 09:56.44 | nvz | yep |
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| 10:01.13 | Arafangion | nvz: I installed rt2<somethign>, but it didn't look right. Regardless, I soon had module-assistant installed and build-essential and all that stuff. |
| 10:01.41 | nvz | Arafangion: I think what you grabbed was the source for the kernel module then |
| 10:01.44 | Arafangion | nvz: And it now makes mention of rt2500, so hopefully that's the right one. :) |
| 10:01.54 | Arafangion | nvz: Yes, it was the source - the only match for 'rt2' |
| 10:01.56 | nvz | Arafangion: you apparently have a kernel module loaded already that seems to work |
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| 10:02.06 | nvz | what you need is the firmware |
| 10:02.25 | Arafangion | Hmm, so it's not the firmware. Darn. |
| 10:02.40 | nvz | well technically the firmware should be in there with the source |
| 10:02.44 | nvz | but that doesnt mean it is |
| 10:02.53 | nvz | that post on ailoth inidcated that it was not |
| 10:03.00 | nvz | however it WAS from 2007 |
| 10:03.14 | nvz | which was two and a half years ago |
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| 10:03.27 | nvz | developers don't sit around on their hands for that long |
| 10:03.37 | TiMIDo | ;p; |
| 10:03.40 | TiMIDo | lol |
| 10:04.18 | Arafangion | Found it, the magic term is "firmware-ralink". |
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| 10:05.38 | Arafangion | nvz: success! Thanks :) |
| 10:06.33 | nvz | Arafangion: sweet, I was about to give up on support for the morning.. heh |
| 10:06.39 | nvz | glad you got that figured out. |
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| 10:07.14 | Arafangion | nvz: Now, my next request is for you to get my nvidia card to work, even though it's really an ATI Radeon 9600. :) |
| 10:07.21 | nvz | I mostly came in here to ask questions myself.. but idk if its because my questions are always less than simple or that people think I should know betterr, but I rarely ever get help in here.. heh |
| 10:07.42 | nvz | Arafangion: haha.. how is it an nvidia card then/ |
| 10:08.06 | Arafangion | nvz: Well, it's not - yet. |
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| 10:09.24 | nvz | Arafangion: you're switching video cards then I take it? |
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| 10:09.58 | nvz | Arafangion: nvidia cards are a breeze, they always work in my experience |
| 10:09.58 | Arafangion | nvz: Well, I plan to, I hate this card., so yeah, I do plan on buying a bottom-end nvidia. |
| 10:10.12 | Arafangion | Likewise, although a working ATI is also nice - sadly, that's rare. |
| 10:10.21 | Arafangion | Or at the least, take a lot of work. |
| 10:11.00 | Arafangion | ATI has a nice big-desktop mode. |
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| 10:12.27 | kripz | How do i list which ports my HDDs are connected to? |
| 10:12.44 | TiMIDo | kripz, with dh |
| 10:12.53 | TiMIDo | sorry |
| 10:13.00 | TiMIDo | with df |
| 10:13.25 | Arafangion | I think kripz is interested in the physical connections. |
| 10:13.41 | kripz | yeah, or even just which raid controller it's on |
| 10:13.52 | Arafangion | You /might/ see that info in dmesg. |
| 10:14.49 | liable | it should be there |
| 10:16.05 | nvz | wanders off |
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| 10:17.19 | edgars | hello |
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| 10:48.46 | rumpsy | using, root account is it dangerous? and people don't recommend it why? |
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| 10:50.32 | schlurchz | ddalton: maybe, if you ask your question or describe your problem. :) |
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| 10:51.17 | ddalton | ok here is what i did to my eeepc: |
| 10:51.25 | cantoma | guys i got this from bzip2 bzip2: File too large. I am trying to compress 1TB of data. Is there a limit in the filesize? |
| 10:51.37 | ddalton | i booted it up and windows worked fine, i rebooted into a livecd running off the usb and ran gparted. |
| 10:51.52 | ddalton | then i resized the windows partition, i think it said resize and move. |
| 10:51.59 | ddalton | applied changes rebooted, and i got |
| 10:52.07 | ddalton | "No operating system" |
| 10:52.11 | rvsjoen | cantoma: what file system ? |
| 10:52.12 | ddalton | or something similar so i then |
| 10:52.34 | cantoma | rvsjoen, ext2 |
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| 10:53.28 | ddalton | reinstalled linux to continuous free space its running win 7 and the installer found windows vista, i assumed it just hadnt been updated for 7 so i went ok and rebooted and now if i boot linux it tells me about the root file system being corrupt and if i boot into "windows vista" from the boot menu of grub i get a recovery, i tried running the recovery, but it does nothign. |
| 10:53.31 | cantoma | this happen after 4 hours .. so its anoying |
| 10:53.39 | rvsjoen | cantoma: depends on the block size, it should support file size up to between 16GB and 2TB depending on the block size |
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| 10:54.11 | cantoma | rvsjoen, is it possible to change the block size? |
| 10:54.19 | cantoma | would that solve the problem |
| 10:54.38 | rvsjoen | cantoma: by recreating the file system, sure, first check your current one, dumpe2fs |
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| 10:55.31 | cantoma | rvsjoen, can i do that without rebooting? |
| 10:56.08 | rvsjoen | if it is not the root file system it should be ok |
| 10:56.26 | rvsjoen | the file is 1TB compressed ? |
| 10:56.45 | cantoma | rvsjoen, the folder is 1TB |
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| 10:57.01 | rvsjoen | oh, misread your initial question :P |
| 10:57.06 | cantoma | is basically just files with raw data .. someone told me if i compress it will free a lot of space |
| 10:57.18 | rvsjoen | depends on the data |
| 10:57.35 | rvsjoen | but its possible |
| 10:57.43 | cantoma | files.txt with numbers separate by spaces |
| 10:57.51 | cantoma | 200 lines each and 50 columns |
| 10:57.59 | cantoma | but millions of them |
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| 10:58.19 | rvsjoen | should get a really good compression ratio then, usually around 90% for text files |
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| 11:00.36 | rvsjoen | anyway, Im going to lunch, good luck with that |
| 11:01.13 | cantoma | rvsjoen, thats i will try other compressor and see what it says .. i basically did tar cjfv file.tar.bz2 folder/ |
| 11:01.59 | schlurchz | ddalton: unfortunately I know next to nothing about windows 7 and its issues. The corrupted root fs sounds pretty weird though |
| 11:02.32 | rvsjoen | cantoma: tar can create multi-volume archives, if that helps |
| 11:02.57 | cantoma | rvsjoen, i will try that then ,, by the way is ext3 not ext2 |
| 11:03.07 | rvsjoen | ext has the same limits |
| 11:03.10 | rvsjoen | ext3 |
| 11:03.17 | rvsjoen | *out* |
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| 11:10.10 | snikker | hi, how can i make a xgettext recursive scan? |
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| 11:13.39 | caraconan | Hi. Can someone help me to access internet from Laptop1 through Laptop2 on Ad-hoc mode? http://pastebin.com/m1f4ed3b7 |
| 11:13.51 | jelly | cantoma: which debian release are you using? How many cpu cores does the machine have? |
| 11:15.19 | jelly | cantoma: it's possible bzip2 in your debian release for some reason isn't built with large file support (>= 2GiB) |
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| 11:17.38 | cantoma | jelly, its lenny 64bit |
| 11:18.10 | cantoma | jelly, i did apt-get install for bzip2 .. so i have no idea what options were used to compile it |
| 11:19.07 | cantoma | jelly, i have core2 i almost forgot |
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| 11:25.05 | znull | hello how can I install via apt ffmpeg/mencoder (debian 4.0) thanks |
| 11:25.18 | NoCode | Is there anyway to make the Appearance applet look at another folder for other wallpapers? |
| 11:25.41 | caraconan | Hi. Can someone help me with Ad-hoc issue? http://pastebin.com/m1f4ed3b7 |
| 11:26.52 | NoCode | ponders if there are intel regressions |
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| 11:28.00 | ewet | hi, to share internet via wifi I need 1. two interfaces eth0 and wlan0 2. set up hostap and dhcp for the wifi part 3. set up the interfaces like http://pastebin.com/f1512908a 4. set up iptables to masquerade -- that's it? because that's _all_ I read in _all_ howtos I read the last days.. |
| 11:28.08 | petemc | caraconan: whats the issue? |
| 11:28.40 | caraconan | I can ping between laptops, but I can't reach the Router neihter internet from Laptop2 |
| 11:28.55 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m1f4ed3b7 |
| 11:29.01 | petemc | caraconan: is the laptop connected to the router configured to forward for the other machine? |
| 11:29.42 | caraconan | I'm now trying to |
| 11:29.57 | caraconan | At the moment I setted up a bridge |
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| 11:30.11 | caraconan | to communicate wifi and eth interfaces, like pastebin says |
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| 11:30.22 | caraconan | But I don't know how to route |
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| 11:32.37 | znull | no packages for php5-ffmpeg for debian 4.0 |
| 11:32.54 | caraconan | If Ii have both interfaces bridged, is necessary more work to forward packets? |
| 11:35.13 | caraconan | Would be easy to destroy the bridge and try again with 2 different networks? |
| 11:35.18 | caraconan | I will try this |
| 11:35.19 | caraconan | Bye |
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| 11:38.05 | Devastator | morning guys |
| 11:38.16 | SPF | afternoon |
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| 11:40.46 | jez9999 | OK, i accidentally rm'd a file |
| 11:40.53 | jez9999 | any chance of my being able to retreive it? :-D |
| 11:42.38 | Keenan | hi, I'm trying to install apache mod_security but I'm getting errors like Couldn't find package libapache-mod-security, could anyone help me? |
| 11:43.37 | SPF | Keenan: try apt-get update first |
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| 11:43.59 | Keenan | SPF: ok, tnx :) |
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| 11:48.38 | schlurchz | jez9999: ext3? Chance, yes. Likely or easy, no. :) |
| 11:52.01 | F15ch3r | hello |
| 11:52.16 | Keenan | SPF: hmm, apt-get update, the mod_security is not the list, do you know what I should do? |
| 11:52.33 | F15ch3r | can openswan or strongswan communicate with a cisco vpn router ? |
| 11:52.46 | petemc | vpnc can |
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| 11:56.05 | F15ch3r | k |
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| 11:58.06 | TomyLobo | hi |
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| 11:58.22 | TomyLobo | i'm currently migrating from lenny to squeeze |
| 11:58.39 | TomyLobo | now i ran "aptitude safe-upgrade" and it told me that some packages are untrusted |
| 11:58.44 | TomyLobo | what does that mean? |
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| 12:02.00 | TomyLobo | WARNING: This version of dbus is from an *untrusted source*! Installing this package could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of your system. |
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| 12:10.49 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm using Intel 5100 wifi on Squeeze. I've installed the firmware, and can see the wlan0 interface with ifconfig and iwconfig. However, NetworkManager (invoking wpa_supplicant) doesn't seem to be able to find any networks when scanning - there's a log at http://debian.pastebin.com/me5b1393 |
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| 12:12.31 | streuner_ | PerfDave: NM sucks |
| 12:12.48 | streuner_ | PerfDave: why not just use interfaces - less headaches? |
| 12:13.03 | PerfDave | streuner_: Because it's not. |
| 12:13.14 | PerfDave | Editing a textfile whenever I want to use a wifi hotspot? Nuts to taht. |
| 12:13.46 | streuner_ | do you have to register? |
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| 12:16.42 | ix | Hm. Any suggestions as to how I can force a NFS mount to reconnect to a server if the connection goes down? |
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| 12:17.07 | PerfDave | ix: NFS tends to come back up fairly transparently in my experience |
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| 12:19.18 | ix | hm... |
| 12:19.23 | ix | maybe I am mistaken? |
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| 12:20.23 | jelly | PerfDave: linux nfs server? |
| 12:21.05 | PerfDave | jelly: No thanks, I'm trying to give them up. Try my AFS node instead, they're milder. |
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| 12:25.13 | gordonjcp | PerfDave: you are Neddie Seagoon and I claim my five pounds |
| 12:25.29 | PerfDave | \o/ |
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| 12:27.09 | gordonjcp | oh, now, or was it Eccles? |
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| 12:47.23 | lotus-blade | how do I get the system to upgrade from GTK2.12.0 to 2.14.0? |
| 12:48.54 | xand | when I run "locale" as root, all settings are en_GB.UTF-8 and I get no errors. when I run it as another user, I get: "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory" and some values are blank or wrong (en_GB.ISO8859-15)... how should I fix this? |
| 12:49.19 | PerfDave | xand: "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 12:49.30 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Which version of Debian do you have installed? |
| 12:49.35 | xand | I've run that already... I should also note it seems to be ok for a new user I created to test |
| 12:49.42 | lotus-blade | 5.0 |
| 12:49.48 | xand | is there a per-user storing what locale should be used? |
| 12:50.19 | xand | +file |
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| 12:51.00 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: And you've done an "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade"? |
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| 12:52.41 | SPF | Keenan: was it in the list before? else try searching for it using apt-cache search. Or maybe you need to add stuff in apt/sources.list |
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| 12:53.23 | lotus-blade | it gives me umet dependencies |
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| 12:53.29 | Keenan | SPF: I have used this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/apache2_mod_security_debian_etch |
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| 12:54.54 | SPF | Keenan: looks good enough, does it work? |
| 12:55.08 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Is this a fresh Debian 5 install? Have you added any extra repositories? Could you paste the output of /etc/apt/sources.list for me? |
| 12:55.20 | Keenan | SPF: I'm on debian-lenny :$ |
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| 12:57.18 | lotus-blade | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/d33bd9842 |
| 12:58.06 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: What's "deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt lenny main"? |
| 12:58.27 | lotus-blade | that was for wine |
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| 12:58.49 | PerfDave | I wonder if that's causing problems - you shouldn't have unmet dependencies if you're just using packages from stable. |
| 12:59.19 | wejick | Can anyone tell me about readme.diskdefines, and the documentation about this thing. |
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| 13:00.18 | SPF | Keenan: so, I'm also running lenny |
| 13:00.40 | lotus-blade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.52 | xand | >.< this problem only occurs when logging in from a solaris box |
| 13:01.35 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: What's the output of "apt-cache policy gtkatlantic"? |
| 13:02.44 | lotus-blade | spdupee@thedupees:~/Desktop$ apt-cache policy gtkatlantic |
| 13:02.44 | lotus-blade | gtkatlantic: |
| 13:02.44 | lotus-blade | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.44 | lotus-blade | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.44 | lotus-blade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.52 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Whoops! :) |
| 13:04.07 | lotus-blade | http://pastebin.com/d4e8d0eca |
| 13:04.50 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: You see, that's odd - you've got a gtkatlantic package installed which *isn't* the one that comes with Lenny. Any idea where it came from? |
| 13:05.03 | PerfDave | That's the source of your problems. |
| 13:05.37 | lotus-blade | http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtkatlantic/ |
| 13:05.56 | TomyLobo | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kicker does that mean there is no kicker for squeeze? |
| 13:06.26 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: You've... been downloading random files from ftp.debian.org and installing them by hand? |
| 13:06.51 | lotus-blade | just got that one from google search |
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| 13:07.28 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Yes, but... how did gtkatlantic 0.4.2-3 get installed on your system? It's not in any of the repositories you currently have enabled. |
| 13:07.59 | PerfDave | 0.4.2-3 is the version currently in Squeeze and Sid, not Lenny. |
| 13:08.08 | lotus-blade | just said I got it frome google search and installed |
| 13:08.26 | PerfDave | OK |
| 13:08.36 | PerfDave | So you *have* been downloading random files from ftp.debian.org and installing them by hand? |
| 13:08.51 | lotus-blade | yes |
| 13:09.02 | wejick | I need the readme.diskdefines's documentation. i've googled it but I cant found it |
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| 13:09.20 | lotus-blade | let me guess it is from the next version of debian |
| 13:09.22 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Well, that's where you've gone wrong. Don't do that :) |
| 13:09.38 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Yes, it's not compatible with the version of Debian you've installed. |
| 13:10.10 | macsim | hi, anybody know how I can fix the parted_devices is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO ? I got a raid card Promise Tech PDC20378 thanks |
| 13:10.16 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: What were you actually hoping to achieve when you embarked on this course of action? |
| 13:10.37 | lotus-blade | was trying to get the stupid game |
| 13:10.53 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: Why didn't you just install the version that comes with Lenny? |
| 13:11.14 | lotus-blade | was not found when i did apt-get install |
| 13:11.35 | TomyLobo | use aptitude and press / |
| 13:11.51 | TomyLobo | and enter the package you're looking for |
| 13:11.52 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: The output of that "apt-cache policy" shows that it's there :) |
| 13:12.16 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: The best way to recover from this now is probably "dpkg --remove gtkatlantic; aptitude install gtkatlantic" |
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| 13:13.34 | Letterbomb05 | Hi, how do you use bittorent console tools? (What commands?) I can't find anything on google |: |
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| 13:13.56 | lotus-blade | thanks now it found it |
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| 13:14.29 | PerfDave | Letterbomb05: If you want to use a command-line bittorrent client, I recommend using rtorrent - run it in "screen" if you want to be able to disconnect and leave it running. |
| 13:14.41 | TomyLobo | i'm currently upgrading from lenny to squeeze. i've run into problems while upgrading kde. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kicker does that mean there is no kicker for squeeze? |
| 13:14.49 | Letterbomb05 | ok PerfDave I'll do that. |
| 13:14.53 | PerfDave | TomyLobo: You might want to talk to #debian-kde |
| 13:15.10 | TomyLobo | here? |
| 13:15.16 | PerfDave | TomyLobo: I don't think there's kicker in KDE4 (which is what Squeeze has got) - lenny uses KDE3 |
| 13:15.28 | PerfDave | (but don't take my word for i) |
| 13:15.37 | uwe | hello, im trying to get windows clients to print to cups printing server using cups windows driver, but im unable to print documents using arabic fonts (except for arial font), for example , simplified arabic does not print (produces white spaces), any clues what could cause that or how to get around it ? |
| 13:15.51 | TomyLobo | PerfDave sid has kicker |
| 13:15.54 | Letterbomb05 | PerfDave, I've installed rtorrent, how can I use it thought? (I'm new to using Debian Console) |
| 13:16.17 | PerfDave | Letterbomb05: man rtorrent ;) |
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| 13:16.29 | PerfDave | Letterbomb05: Or just run it - it's a simple ncurses interface and tells you what keys to press :) |
| 13:16.30 | craigevil | In KDE 4, Kicker was replaced with Plasma panel, not "kicker" |
| 13:17.04 | TomyLobo | you mean sid has kde3 but squeeze has kde4? |
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| 13:17.19 | TomyLobo | isnt sid newer than squeeze? |
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| 13:17.39 | PerfDave | lotus-blade: For future reference, if you ever think that downloading a deb file from the internet and installing it by hand is a good idea, come and check here first ;) |
| 13:18.15 | craigevil | TomyLobo: Lenny has kde3.5, testing and sid have kde4 |
| 13:19.07 | TomyLobo | craigevil then why does sid has kicker? |
| 13:19.11 | remoteCTRL1 | hi guys! i got a config question concerning squid can somebody point me the right direction pls? (not #squid cos that one seems to be dead...) |
| 13:19.19 | TomyLobo | have* |
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| 13:20.14 | rvsjoen | remotectrl1: try asking the question here :P |
| 13:21.08 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: hehe thanks: i want squid to anonymize the request, meaning to act like NAT, so that the receiver does not see the clients ip but squid's |
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| 13:22.01 | craigevil | TomyLobo: weird parts of kde3.5 are still floating around in sid, installing kde-full will give you most of the kde4 packages in testing |
| 13:22.10 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: happen to have an idea how to do that? |
| 13:22.18 | iugrina | hi all! is anyone running squeeze in virtualbox ? |
| 13:23.13 | rvsjoen | remotectrl1: surelay, squid makes the request on behalf of the client, so the packets would have the source ip of the proxy server, is there anything in the http headers that give away the clients real ip ? |
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| 13:24.32 | rvsjoen | remotectrl1: as far as I can tell, there are no headers that would contain that information, did you check that the reciever actually sees the client's address and not the proxy address ? |
| 13:25.03 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: frankly spoken i dunno exacltly, the purpose of it all is the following: |
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| 13:26.11 | Trewas | rvsjoen: I think it sends X-Forwarded-For header by default, which reveals the client's own ip |
| 13:26.13 | remoteCTRL1 | our university lets you access certain pages only from within the universities net, so we set up a proxy at our institute's with authentication so that ppl can connect to that one from home and retrieve the requested pages from "within" the universities network |
| 13:26.39 | rvsjoen | remotectrl1: yes, that would work |
| 13:27.04 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: for some reason it doesnt work and the reason seems to be that the requests are still being sent from the users ip instead of squid |
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| 13:27.32 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: allthough the request passes through squid... |
| 13:27.43 | rvsjoen | remotectrl1: well, the browser is configured correctly ? can you see the request coming through in the squid logs ? |
| 13:28.16 | remoteCTRL1 | as far as i have been told by my boss (who asked me to recherche this) we can see the request in the log |
| 13:29.01 | rvsjoen | the squid log, or the log of the web server |
| 13:29.07 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: is there a transparency or anonymize parameter that he could have accidentally set wrong? |
| 13:29.38 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: hehe let me check back on that pls, brbr in a few, ok? |
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| 13:29.51 | rvsjoen | remotectrl1: not sure, but logically the request _has_ to come from squid, otherwise the data would be sent back to the wrong host from the webserver |
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| 13:30.41 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: that is logical... just a few min pls ill talk this over once more with my boss and be right back, ok? |
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| 13:30.50 | rvsjoen | sure |
| 13:30.59 | IpNextGen | Q. : Is there a .config somewhere that comes with the current running kernel? ive installed the current linux-source package. i just want to add a feature in the kernel... having the .config of the current kernel would help me |
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| 13:31.21 | jelly | IpNextGen: /boot/config-* |
| 13:31.32 | IpNextGen | jelly, thanks |
| 13:31.56 | jelly | the current one would be /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:43.31 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: erm... this is a little embarrassing now; my boss was so clever to configure the whole thing not to cache/passthrough requests that are "near by" meaning within the net but then he was looking out for requests in apache's log... |
| 13:43.46 | remoteCTRL1 | rvsjoen: sorry for bothering you in vain there... |
| 13:45.39 | rvsjoen | no problem |
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| 13:47.38 | Slydder | omfg |
| 13:47.39 | kresike | hello all |
| 13:47.41 | Slydder | http://fs-2.cdn.spion-media.eu/fs/ee/7c/ee7ceebd673296b69ad1f8734732acf3_original.jpg |
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| 13:48.04 | Slydder | I mean. I like the simpsons and all. but that is just too much. |
| 13:48.16 | rvsjoen | haha |
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| 13:55.05 | remoteCTRL1 | wtf :D |
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| 13:56.34 | rooisto47 | hi evreyone |
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| 13:58.09 | rooisto47 | I wanna create a locale repository from the 30 first cds of squeeze, and to do that i |
| 13:58.45 | rooisto47 | I have to loop mount them, copy them to the fs, merge their trees, is that possible ? |
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| 13:59.25 | gordonjcp | rooisto47: seems reasonable |
| 13:59.27 | rooisto47 | my problem is in merging their trees can you tell me |
| 13:59.36 | rooisto47 | how it can be done ? |
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| 14:01.18 | joltcan | rooisto47: Are you creating a local debian mirror? http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 14:01.22 | daffidity | hi. I am on testing, using grub2 and the last apt-get update caused grub legacy to be installed and used instead. Why did that happen? |
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| 14:02.15 | rooisto47 | joltcan: but I want to do it from the amount of cds I have (30 firsts )and not rsyncing |
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| 14:04.01 | xpk | how can I get a list of the packages that are installed on my system, but removed from the repositories? |
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| 14:06.02 | joltcan | rooisto47: I guess you could just cp -r then |
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| 14:07.10 | pinkisntwell | what's a good unrar program for debian? prefereably command line. unrar seems to fail consistently |
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| 14:12.04 | liable | pinkisntwell: theres unrar-nonfree too |
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| 14:15.21 | jelly | pinkisntwell: rar from non-free |
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| 14:30.55 | leejongwook | "—", i can't see this character property, |
| 14:31.16 | leejongwook | it's numbers in a square. |
| 14:33.28 | unfancy | its a w |
| 14:33.35 | unfancy | unicode madness |
| 14:34.11 | leejongwook | unfancy, w @_@, what package do i need to read that kinds of characters property ? |
| 14:34.14 | zinx | it seems like two ^W's to me :/ |
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| 14:34.37 | petemc | ⚛ |
| 14:34.45 | unfancy | leejongwook: you need to set the correct locale |
| 14:35.25 | leejongwook | unfancy, thanks @_@ |
| 14:35.33 | zinx | hmm, client just being silly o_O |
| 14:36.15 | zinx | it's U+0097 |
| 14:36.46 | zinx | which is "End of guarded area" |
| 14:36.51 | zinx | (a control character) |
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| 14:38.13 | kj4 | hello all |
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| 14:39.03 | leejongwook | i did, $sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales; and checked on 'all locales', @_@ |
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| 14:39.25 | JordiGH | How do you change keyboard layouts in ttys? |
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| 14:40.21 | leejongwook | .Xmodmap ? |
| 14:40.28 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 14:40.32 | petemc | !keymap |
| 14:40.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 14:40.34 | JordiGH | leejongwook: What does X have to do with tty? |
| 14:40.58 | JordiGH | Ah, loadkeys. |
| 14:41.05 | nvz | I'm having some serious issues with this system. It kinda locks up frequently and I'm seeing all sorts of nastyness from the kernel related to both the ath5k module and general pci routing issues. If anyone could take a look at this and make a suggestion, it would be appreciated. http://paste.debian.net/57877/ |
| 14:41.16 | krion | it's been a while since i've compiled a custom linux kernel |
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| 14:41.35 | JordiGH | petemc: Is that factoid outdated? I'm still happily using xmodmap myself, but I heard I should use xkeyb or something of the sort. |
| 14:41.51 | petemc | not sure |
| 14:42.28 | petemc | i dont use X in linux much anymore |
| 14:42.28 | nvz | I had just installed frostwire and tried to open it up, and it locked up, and I did a sysrq kill and logged in again when I pulled that dmesg output |
| 14:42.33 | leejongwook | petemc, cool @_@ |
| 14:42.36 | nvz | included is lspci output to show which devices are being mentioned |
| 14:42.42 | petemc | leejongwook: not really, i use a mac :) |
| 14:42.47 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 14:43.18 | JordiGH | petemc: Ah, we lost you. |
| 14:43.41 | petemc | not quite, i still use debian for work |
| 14:45.29 | JordiGH | Hm, loadkeys needs permissions? |
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| 14:45.48 | nvz | actually now that I look closer at that the pci stuff is all just waking from S3 |
| 14:45.51 | JordiGH | Isn't there a simple way to change keyboard layouts for other countries in ttys? Without needing root access? |
| 14:45.58 | nvz | seems the issue is the wireless |
| 14:46.07 | JordiGH | setxkbd or whatever, but for ttys. :-/ |
| 14:46.41 | JordiGH | Or is this impossible because it would mean you would change the layout for every user who connects to that tty? |
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| 14:48.36 | leejongwook | unfancy, sitll don't work, can't read it. |
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| 14:52.30 | leejongwook | i'm undoing my previous job @_@ |
| 14:52.55 | rooisto47 | I wanna create a locale repository from the 30 first cds of squeeze, and to do that i |
| 14:52.55 | rooisto47 | I have to loop mount them, copy them to the fs, merge their trees, is that possible ? can someone help me ? |
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| 14:56.31 | nvz | exit |
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| 14:58.28 | rittyan | hi all, is there a guide somewhere that describes how to debianize and maintain java applications? I couldn't find in google |
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| 15:00.07 | xk | hmm |
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| 15:00.25 | granquet | hi there, I'm kinda new to debian. I'm apt-get installing' in a chroot and I _really_ don't want apt-get to start/stop services : how can I prevent that? |
| 15:00.39 | rittyan | I am sure it must be simple with cdbs, something like "include /usr/blah/java_magic.mk" and voila, everything I need is in deb :) |
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| 15:01.21 | leejongwook | do i need to install all of the fonts to read the strange squared characters ? |
| 15:02.56 | leejongwook | granquet, hi |
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| 15:03.35 | leejongwook | oops.. pressed wrong key |
| 15:03.46 | granquet | hehe xD |
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| 15:06.16 | leejongwook | i think i used Debian for a little while so i would say that i'm not a newbie but, my skills are quite mixed-up(unbalanced?). but i wish i could help you some granquet |
| 15:06.31 | rumpsy | i nve see a novice user here, all are expert |
| 15:06.38 | rumpsy | never* |
| 15:07.11 | leejongwook | <-- this guy has no good skills, i'm a plain desktop user. |
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| 15:07.36 | granquet | rumpsy: trust me, never used debian more than a week in my whole life ;) |
| 15:07.37 | SerajewelKS | yay for uswsusp... restore the system and the keyboard doesn't work |
| 15:07.55 | jelly | SerajewelKS: usb? |
| 15:07.59 | jelly | replug it? |
| 15:07.59 | SerajewelKS | jelly: no |
| 15:08.04 | jelly | then, sucks |
| 15:08.08 | rumpsy | so , what are you using now |
| 15:08.15 | SerajewelKS | indeed |
| 15:08.27 | leejongwook | granquet, cool, i think i could help you out a little... would you explain a little more about it in a queryBox ? |
| 15:08.43 | jelly | SerajewelKS: uname -r? |
| 15:08.45 | granquet | rumpsy: I'm a convinced gentoo user but I've some work to do on a debian :) |
| 15:08.56 | SerajewelKS | jelly: unfortunately, that's one of the things that keeps driving me to my windows install... it has stable hibernate support :( |
| 15:09.01 | SerajewelKS | jelly: one sec |
| 15:09.14 | jelly | SerajewelKS: oh yes, their hiberation pretty much just works |
| 15:09.30 | leejongwook | gentoo @_@ ... @#)$!) ... you're good then, granquet |
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| 15:09.42 | SerajewelKS | jelly: have you had experience with both uswsusp and tuxonice? |
| 15:09.50 | jelly | SerajewelKS: if you're not opposed to building own kernels, I'd suggest giving tuxonice a try |
| 15:09.53 | rumpsy | I donno what happened to me and to my system, we like debian |
| 15:09.59 | rumpsy | :) |
| 15:10.01 | granquet | leejongwook: but I'm really clueless with apt-get/dpkg :S |
| 15:10.07 | leejongwook | <--- desktop user, expert mouse user |
| 15:10.17 | SerajewelKS | jelly: hmm, i'm not against it... i prefer not to but i've done it in the past to e.g. get working wireless |
| 15:10.18 | jelly | SerajewelKS: not really, I've only used it back when it was called Suspend2 |
| 15:10.55 | SerajewelKS | jelly: 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
| 15:10.56 | jelly | SerajewelKS: I've uses BIOS hibernation, swsusp, Suspend2 and uswsusp, and I must say all had issues. |
| 15:11.00 | simplechat | hey, i've got a boxen that is rebuilding its / on every boot (as far as i can tell) what would be a nice way to make it stop? |
| 15:11.19 | SerajewelKS | simplechat: by "rebuild" do you mean "fsck"? |
| 15:11.25 | simplechat | no |
| 15:11.38 | simplechat | its a patriot nas, for some reason it decides to rebuild its entire / on reboot |
| 15:11.45 | simplechat | ie. if i write something in /etc/rc.d/ it'll be gone |
| 15:11.52 | jelly | SerajewelKS: nowadays, I'm happy when either s2disk or s2ram works well, and I'm currently on "s2ram works well enough" iteration |
| 15:11.52 | simplechat | or if i modify a config file, it'll be unmodified |
| 15:11.54 | leejongwook | granquet, jelly told me some about "apt" tools before, ---> <jelly> leejongwook: /msg dpkg apt-file, and /msg dpkg search, to see how to efficiently search for stuff in Debian |
| 15:11.55 | SerajewelKS | simplechat: ah... that's an important detail... |
| 15:11.58 | simplechat | kk |
| 15:11.59 | simplechat | sorry |
| 15:12.02 | simplechat | i'm trying to shove linux on it |
| 15:12.10 | leejongwook | jelly, :) |
| 15:12.11 | jelly | leejongwook: lies! |
| 15:12.14 | simplechat | and i have, via a very hacky way (debootstrap + chroot + init fun) |
| 15:12.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly: yeah :( |
| 15:12.16 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 15:12.19 | simplechat | but i need to get it to run on bootup |
| 15:12.23 | simplechat | and i'm unsure how i'd get it to do so |
| 15:12.25 | SerajewelKS | jelly: problem is s2ram won't last my commute to the office |
| 15:12.47 | SerajewelKS | jelly: especially since HP's warranty service stole my battery and put in a shit one. i used to have 2hr battery, now about 15min |
| 15:12.52 | granquet | leejongwook: sorry, I don't think it helps me with my problem :) |
| 15:12.59 | rumpsy | Time to install debian in a laptop, brb |
| 15:13.03 | leejongwook | ok |
| 15:13.13 | simplechat | so yeah |
| 15:13.16 | JordiGH | Jesus, are squeeze cds still being made? |
| 15:13.17 | jelly | SerajewelKS: different kernels are broken in different ways wrt uswsusp, I'd try 2.6.32-trunk- or a lenny kernel |
| 15:13.23 | JordiGH | wants squeeze floppies. |
| 15:13.31 | SerajewelKS | jelly: the lenny kernel hates my wlan :( |
| 15:13.43 | jelly | JordiGH: when you squeeze then they do bad, don't do that |
| 15:13.54 | jelly | s/then/them/, s/do/go/ |
| 15:14.03 | JordiGH | jelly: Joke got through, don't worry. |
| 15:14.17 | JordiGH | squeeze tapes! |
| 15:14.17 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i'll try 32-trunk |
| 15:14.20 | jelly | JordiGH: may I suggest a squeezebox instead |
| 15:14.42 | JordiGH | This is even better than woody. |
| 15:15.07 | daffidity | mumbles punchcards and looks at JordiGH |
| 15:15.23 | jelly | JordiGH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49H0IfoILwQ |
| 15:15.58 | SerajewelKS | jelly: haha fantastic... i apparently hibernated during dpkg-reconfigure (i was having it dist-upgrade while i slept) and hibernated without looking at the status... so now aptitude is shitting all over itself :) |
| 15:16.05 | JordiGH | squeeze my woody, jelly. |
| 15:16.26 | jelly | JordiGH: it goes in and out and in and out and in and out... |
| 15:16.31 | granquet | so? no one ever tried to apt-get install in a chroot and got disturbed by apt starting services? :-/ |
| 15:17.04 | SerajewelKS | granquet: apt-get/aptitude use dpkg. dpkg runs post-install scripts. that's the way the package system works. |
| 15:17.16 | SerajewelKS | granquet: after you install the services, most can be disabled by tweaking something in /etc/defaults |
| 15:17.44 | granquet | SerajewelKS: and there's no options to forbid apt/dpkg starting the services? this is broken to me |
| 15:18.07 | jelly | granquet: well. _theoretically_ there's policy-rc.d to handle that |
| 15:18.28 | JordiGH | So really, is there no way to change keyboard layouts in ttys without root access? |
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| 15:18.57 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: hmm... surely there's some program that could start a shell and map keystrokes to it |
| 15:19.00 | granquet | jelly: if it works I'm fine with it :) |
| 15:19.09 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Screen? |
| 15:19.20 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: i dunno if that's something screen can do. would be cool though. |
| 15:19.35 | jelly | JordiGH: uh... loadkeys works^W^W when did they break that? |
| 15:19.39 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: personally, i just use dvorak, all my users be damned |
| 15:19.59 | SerajewelKS | (granted my users are usually remote, so...) |
| 15:20.20 | xxtjaxx | Hi wasnt the rt2860sta module on the way to go into base kernel modules |
| 15:20.21 | jelly | granquet: that's the issue, last time I looked at it it didn't really work. But that was 2-4 releases ago |
| 15:20.40 | SerajewelKS | jelly: oh yeah, this package is fucked... yay uswsusp |
| 15:20.47 | rumpsy | why you migrating from Gentoo, granquet |
| 15:20.50 | granquet | jelly: sadly, I'm 2-4 releases ago :-/ |
| 15:20.54 | SerajewelKS | breaks out the --purge --force-depends stick |
| 15:20.59 | JordiGH | jelly: loadkeys seems to want root access? |
| 15:21.13 | jelly | granquet: man invoke-rc.d, see also SEE ALSO |
| 15:21.20 | granquet | rumpsy: I'm not migrating, I just have a debian to update somewhere :) |
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| 15:22.07 | marsje | Anyone knows how I can fix my root partition? It's a 25 GB ext3 partition. du says I used 3 GB, but df says is 100% is use. I think a fsck went wrong... how to fix? |
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| 15:22.10 | JordiGH | granquet: I'm pretty sure there's an option somewhere in apt.conf to forbid apt/dpkg from starting daemons upon installation (this is what you want, right?) |
| 15:22.24 | JordiGH | marsje: You're fscked. :-/ |
| 15:22.27 | granquet | JordiGH: exactly what I want :) |
| 15:22.31 | jelly | SerajewelKS: I think the upstream is fucked. TuxOnIce seemed to treat its users better last time I looked |
| 15:22.42 | JordiGH | granquet: Let me grep around, I've seen that option somewhere... |
| 15:22.49 | SerajewelKS | jelly: huh weird, or the python-wkgtk2.6 package is broken in squeeze |
| 15:22.59 | jelly | SerajewelKS: oh, ignore me then |
| 15:23.01 | SerajewelKS | jelly: it keeps trying to byte-compile a nonexistent source file |
| 15:23.06 | marsje | JordiGH: yes! I though fsck would fix my fs, but it just makes it consistent, eventhough it doesn't make sense for me... |
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| 15:23.53 | NoReflex | Hey guys! I'm having some problems with sed. I'm trying to replace ),( with ),\n( in a big text file; I tried sed 's/),(/),\\n(/g' <xaf >tmp but it just adds "\n" and text editors don't recognize it as newline |
| 15:23.55 | jelly | marsje: you might have to peruse your backups. |
| 15:24.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly: huh. yeah. pdo reports that no packages provide that file in the location this package wants. awesome :) |
| 15:24.17 | rumpsy | granquet: i'm going to look about Gentoo and its features now |
| 15:24.34 | zinx | NoReflex: are the files using unix line endings or DOS ones? |
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| 15:24.53 | zinx | NoReflex: or do you mean the characters \ and n? |
| 15:24.54 | granquet | rumpsy: it's a nice distro if you like to tweaking/tunning ;) |
| 15:25.00 | jelly | marsje: also, deleted files that are still opened by a process may cause the symptoms you seem to have. lsof -n | grep deleted |
| 15:25.25 | jelly | SerajewelKS: you're using ubuntu packages, confess! Confess! |
| 15:25.31 | simplechat | so yeah, any ideas as to where to start? |
| 15:25.37 | simplechat | like what is the order of things? |
| 15:25.43 | SerajewelKS | jelly: hah, it wasn't uswsusp at all: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566960 |
| 15:25.43 | simplechat | grub starts init, init starts....? |
| 15:25.46 | SerajewelKS | jelly: NEVER |
| 15:26.07 | NoReflex | zinx: I want to break that file in lines ... currently it's just a big (800 KB) line and I want it to add a new line netween ), and (. |
| 15:26.20 | jelly | SerajewelKS: we'll get you to pastebin output of apt-cache policy, then sneer and laugh and ignore you! |
| 15:26.29 | zinx | NoReflex: that's not an answer to either of the questions I asked :x |
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| 15:26.40 | themill | !dbugs 566960 |
| 15:26.41 | simplechat | i can see the cmdline for grub is root=/dev/ram0 rw console=ttySL0,19200 initrd=0x00800000,16M ramdisk_size=16384 |
| 15:26.42 | SerajewelKS | jelly: hah |
| 15:26.46 | dpkg | DONE:#566960:G[python-wxgtk2.6] python-wxversion: cannot install/upgrade python-wxgtk2.6 (confirmed); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:42:01 UTC [566961] |
| 15:26.47 | themill | SerajewelKS: ^^ |
| 15:26.55 | simplechat | however i don't have an inittab |
| 15:26.57 | themill | (and already fixed in sid) |
| 15:26.58 | simplechat | so i'm kind of wtfed |
| 15:27.18 | NoReflex | zinx: I thought that answered question 2 |
| 15:27.24 | SerajewelKS | themill: yeah, i'm already installing the sid package :) |
| 15:27.28 | themill | blames pycentral |
| 15:27.33 | jelly | themill: that's what HE said |
| 15:27.39 | zinx | NoReflex: no, i mean is it just adding the characters \ and n, or is it adding a newline |
| 15:27.46 | JordiGH | granquet: I think that starting daemons usually happens in the postinst script... so if you tell dpkg to not run the postinst script, you might get the behaviour you want. |
| 15:27.54 | zinx | NoReflex: in any case, you can use an actual newline in most shells, instead of \n |
| 15:28.04 | rooisto47 | can you help me to make a locale repo ( in one locale folder with the mirror hierarchy ) from the 30 first debian cds ? |
| 15:28.05 | NoReflex | zinx: it just add the characters \ and n |
| 15:28.22 | granquet | JordiGH: yeah, that's an idea but I might want to run the other things in the postinit :-/ |
| 15:28.24 | zinx | NoReflex: i.e., type "sed 's/),(/),", then hit enter, then type "(/g' <xaf >tmp" |
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| 15:29.23 | granquet | I'll have to start debian in xen to get my packages updated :( |
| 15:29.39 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i've dicked with kernels so much lately i actually remember to 'm-a -l new-kernel a-i nvidia' BEFORE rebooting! |
| 15:29.52 | NoReflex | zinx: I tried it and it says sed: -e expression #1, char 8: unterminated `s' command |
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| 15:30.02 | SerajewelKS | instead of being dropped to the console and doing it there |
| 15:30.41 | zinx | NoReflex: erh, annoying |
| 15:31.13 | zinx | NoReflex: what shell are you using? sed should be translating the \n |
| 15:31.24 | zinx | NoReflex: some shells treat \\ in ''s as two slashes, not one |
| 15:31.53 | JordiGH | granquet: Wait... dpkg calls start-stop-daemon... |
| 15:31.54 | zinx | NoReflex: notably, bash. |
| 15:31.57 | NoReflex | zinx: bash |
| 15:32.02 | zinx | NoReflex: use \n instead of \\n |
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| 15:32.18 | jelly | SerajewelKS: fancy... the original installer _requires_ no X running afair |
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| 15:32.37 | zinx | NoReflex: bash only recognizes \' as a special sequence inside ''s, everything else gets left as-is |
| 15:32.57 | zinx | erh, i guess i'm wrong, it seems it doesn't even see \' |
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| 15:33.16 | NoReflex | zinx: using \n instead of \\n did the trick - thank you |
| 15:33.39 | violinappren | hi all, apart from gnome-bluetooth and network-manager-gnome, what do i need to install to get bluetooth DUN support in network manager? |
| 15:34.36 | SerajewelKS | the lack of \ working inside '' in bash is annoying... |
| 15:34.40 | JordiGH | violinappren: That should be all. I recently had problems with the testing version of bluetooth. Wait, DUN, do you mean dial-up networking? |
| 15:34.46 | SerajewelKS | the only way i've found to embed a ' is to do '\'' |
| 15:35.14 | TomyLobo | while upgrading package hal from lenny to squeeze i get this error: Starting Hardware abstaction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. |
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| 15:36.03 | violinappren | JordiGH: yes bluetooth DUN support.. when pairing in gnome-bluetooth i don't get the checkbox to use the phone for network connectivity in network manager |
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| 15:37.37 | NoCode | Noob question: What is it called when you want to upgrade a package from say, Testing to Sid. I forget the term used. I know you have to set it up in a configuration file setting some limiting numbers, and what not. This probably makes no sense what so ever. |
| 15:37.40 | NoCode | haha |
| 15:38.00 | violinappren | NoCode: pinning |
| 15:38.45 | NoCode | Also: Where can I find out what has been further developed, or improved since the 2.6.32-trunk kernel has been released(yesterday)? |
| 15:38.49 | NoCode | violinappren: Thanks. |
| 15:38.55 | marsje | jelly: I rebooted multiple times and ran fsck multiple times... in single user mode and also booted from a cd... so I don't think it's a process keeping a file open (unless the kernel itself) |
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| 15:39.14 | jelly | marsje: right, not after a reboot |
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| 15:39.28 | marsje | jelly: so I think fsck "fixed" it... |
| 15:39.30 | JordiGH | violinappren: What version of the bluetooth packages are you using? |
| 15:39.50 | TomyLobo | while upgrading package hal from lenny to squeeze i get this error: Starting Hardware abstaction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. I cannot install anything because of this problem. any ideas? |
| 15:40.07 | marsje | jelly: also I get a scary looking message from the kernel saying it found a error... not sure if this is the cause or a symptom |
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| 15:40.22 | violinappren | NoCode: h-online.com provides good kernel feature overviews |
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| 15:40.45 | PerfDave | I'm running Squeeze on a laptop with Intel 5100 AGN wifi. I've installed the relevant firmware, and I've got a wlan0 interface. I can see wireless networks with "iwlist wlan0 scanning" but they don't appear to wpa_supplicant in /var/log/daemon.log or in NetworkManager's lists. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
| 15:40.51 | marsje | jelly: the error I get: EXT3-fs error (device dm-1): htree_dirblock_to_tree: bad entry in directory #33304: rec_len % 4 != 0 - offset=0, inode=171388976, rec_len=24931, name_len=110 |
| 15:41.09 | NoCode | violinappren: Much appreciated. :) |
| 15:41.15 | jelly | marsje: that's no fscked fs! |
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| 15:41.49 | marsje | jelly: this is what I get after I fsck'd my fs |
| 15:41.50 | jelly | marsje: uname -r? |
| 15:41.56 | granquet | JordiGH: what if I replace start-stop-daemon bin with /bin/true ? I guess it would work and do exactly what I want |
| 15:42.00 | greedo | If I use the lpr command from a regular ssh client (ie. not using xterm), I get a printout from a IP printer without problems. |
| 15:42.02 | TomyLobo | dpkg shows status iF for desired=install status=failed-cfg |
| 15:42.02 | dpkg | TomyLobo: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:42.10 | greedo | But if I am using an xterm and issue the exact same command, a window named "LPR GUI" pops up. The problem with the gui window is that the "OK" button is greyed out and nothing I do seems to allow me to print. |
| 15:42.14 | marsje | jelly: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:42.16 | JordiGH | granquet: Hacky. I think there's a better way, but that should work. |
| 15:42.28 | linuxguy2009 | Im tring to register for the debian forum at http://forums.debian.net and it has a security question, "What is the middle number? 0 1 2 3 4 5 (Ive tried 2, 3, 2.5 registration wont complete what the heck.) |
| 15:42.32 | granquet | JordiGH: but I couldn't find the "better way" |
| 15:42.41 | jelly | granquet: better to replace invoke-rc.d |
| 15:43.20 | comps | hello, is the "mdadm vs udev" problem resolvable in some meaningful way (which will be used in "release" version) or do I have to still use older mdadm to get my system boot from MD RAID1 ? |
| 15:43.34 | violinappren | PerfDave: try "connect to hidden wireless network" and enter connection data manually in network manager... |
| 15:43.40 | granquet | jelly: alright, gonna do that then |
| 15:44.01 | SerajewelKS | ugh. i love how rebooting my laptop causes an ear-splitting beep. great for office environments. |
| 15:44.01 | PerfDave | violinappren: the network isn't hidden though, the Lenny laptop next to it can see it in n-m just fine :) |
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| 15:44.46 | jelly | marsje: hmph. I guess you might find some developers around #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:45.01 | jelly | marsje: or write to ext3-users mailing list |
| 15:45.06 | violinappren | PerfDave: it doesn't have to be actually be hidden to use this feature |
| 15:46.04 | marsje | jelly: thanks, I will try that |
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| 15:48.58 | violinappren | greedo: try "unset DISPLAY" before lpr |
| 15:52.06 | docgnome | I upgraded the version of the intel xorg driver i had yesterday and now my dual monitors are broken -_- |
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| 15:52.26 | TomyLobo | while upgrading package hal from lenny to squeeze i get this error: Starting Hardware abstaction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. dpkg shows status iF for desired=install status=failed-cfg. I cannot install or upgrade anything because of this problem. any ideas? |
| 15:52.42 | greedo | violinappren: is that a option you can set when you send print jobs? |
| 15:53.07 | docgnome | i was using xrandr to set them up but now when i try the second monitor's screen size is all screwed up. it's a wide screen monitor that was doing 1280x800 before but now it shifts the display over about an inch and a half from the right side of the screen and leaves a big black bar there |
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| 15:53.23 | violinappren | greedo: no, before typing lpr.. type unset DISPLAY and press enter... then type lpr .. |
| 15:53.59 | violinappren | greedo: it will act as if no X server is running (like ssh without X forwarding) |
| 15:55.40 | docgnome | anyone have any ideas about what could be causing my problem? |
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| 15:55.50 | greedo | violinappren: lpr: cannot connect to X server |
| 15:56.22 | greedo | violinappren: wonder if it still prints? |
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| 16:00.44 | NoCode | Has there been a name released for Sid that goes into testing when Squeeze goes stable, for this Spring? Or, does the change not go that fast? |
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| 16:02.42 | oggei | NoCode: sid never moves |
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| 16:03.49 | NoCode | I know ... It's hard to explain. When Unstable goes to Testing, and when Testing become Stable. That does better. |
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| 16:04.03 | J_P | hi all... |
| 16:04.24 | J_P | how I expand my linux HD partirion ? In windows I use the partition magic.. |
| 16:04.51 | J_P | I have a 80gb HD, but my partirion is 40GB, I would like exapand the particion to 80gb. What application can I use? |
| 16:04.54 | oggei | NoCode: unstable stays unstable, packages moves to testing, when squeeze will go stable a new testing will born |
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| 16:05.21 | themill | NoCode: unstable doesn't go to testing. Squeeze will just get copied to whatever Squeeze+1 is. And no, there is no name yet. |
| 16:05.25 | NoCode | That's what I pretty much wanted to say. I should have used that terminology. |
| 16:05.26 | TomyLobo | J_P try qtparted |
| 16:05.33 | NoCode | okay |
| 16:05.41 | leejongwook | picturebin url ? |
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| 16:05.58 | TomyLobo | havent done that in a while though, so there might be better options by now |
| 16:06.09 | rooisto47 | can you please help me to create a locale repo (one locale folder with the mirror hierarchy ) from the 30 iso images I have :( |
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| 16:06.21 | greedo | violinappren: looks like it didn't print |
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| 16:07.47 | themill | rooisto47: there are tools to do this already but you wouldn't want to start out with the ISO images for it. That's a crazy place to start. |
| 16:08.07 | rooisto47 | :) |
| 16:08.38 | rooisto47 | but I downloaded 18 Go of isos and won't lose that for rent |
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| 16:09.38 | rooisto47 | themill: can you give me an advice ? |
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| 16:15.08 | leejongwook | [Question] http://123.109.85.6:4044/screenshot.png |
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| 16:16.01 | TomyLobo | looks like you need fonts |
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| 16:16.11 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way I can block users from connecting via ssh/scp without locking myself (root) out? |
| 16:16.48 | TomyLobo | "yourself" should only be root when installing stuff |
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| 16:16.58 | leejongwook | TomyLobo, i installed xfonts-intl-{ALL} but couldn't read that character |
| 16:16.58 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: man sshd_config, AllowUsers / AllowGroups |
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| 16:17.10 | LRN | Is there a package maintainer guide that does not use debhelper? |
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| 16:17.26 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: tnx. |
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| 16:19.39 | TomyLobo | while upgrading package hal from lenny to squeeze i get this error: Starting Hardware abstaction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. dpkg shows status iF for desired=install status=failed-cfg. I cannot install or upgrade anything because of this problem. any ideas? |
| 16:20.02 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 16:20.41 | jelly | TomyLobo: are any hald-related processes running? |
| 16:20.54 | TomyLobo | what could that be, for example? |
| 16:21.10 | rooisto47 | wait for answer |
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| 16:21.35 | echa | what's the best way to update an offline debian machine |
| 16:21.39 | echa | ? |
| 16:21.42 | PerfDave | echa: apt-zip |
| 16:22.09 | leejongwook | [Question] http://123.109.85.6:4044/screenshot.png <--- :P |
| 16:22.21 | TomyLobo | hald-addon-ipw-killswitch and some more hald-addon things |
| 16:22.26 | TomyLobo | jelly ^ |
| 16:23.04 | themill | rooisto47: see if apt-mirror can do it for you (no idea if you can). You could also copy all the debs to one directory and run apt-ftparchive on them, but that's going to be very slow and is likely to fail. /msg dpkg own repo ; /msg dpkg local mirror |
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| 16:23.42 | TomyLobo | jelly hald-runner hald-addon-ipw-killswitch hald-addon-input hald-addon-leds hald-addon-generic-backlight hald-addon-storage hald-addon-cpufreq |
| 16:24.09 | echa | i install apt-zip on both the internet connected computer and the offline machine? |
| 16:24.17 | rooisto47 | themill: ok I'll see |
| 16:24.17 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, suddenly whenever I make an effort, vi moves that line to the top of the screen. |
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| 16:25.04 | nooper | an effort? |
| 16:25.05 | numen | hi |
| 16:25.07 | themill | rooisto47: using the right tool for the job is smart.... a pile of CDs is not the right tool for making a debian mirror. |
| 16:25.46 | rooisto47 | yes you're right |
| 16:25.58 | themill | rooisto47: you'd be better off just setting up an apt-proxy of some sort to mirror things as they are downloaded. |
| 16:26.06 | rooisto47 | but now that's what I have |
| 16:26.07 | granquet | themill: it's not like debian mirror are getting updated often tho ;) |
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| 16:26.51 | themill | granquet: that pile of CDs will be out of date by the end of this coming weekend, actually. |
| 16:27.02 | JordiGH | I don't like ad-hoc package management system (e.g. ruby's gem). Is there a Debian Way to handle this stuff? |
| 16:27.04 | rooisto47 | themill: but man apt-proxy don't give any real help and I don't know how to use it |
| 16:27.35 | themill | rooisto47: /msg dpkg apt-proxy ; there are also plenty of other alternatives to that |
| 16:28.02 | jelly | TomyLobo: hmph. What if you kill them all and then dpkg --configure -a? |
| 16:28.49 | TomyLobo | what will dpkg --configure -a do? |
| 16:28.57 | JordiGH | TomyLobo: configure all packages? |
| 16:29.12 | JordiGH | Well, all unconfigured packages. |
| 16:29.39 | TomyLobo | yay |
| 16:29.40 | TomyLobo | thanks |
| 16:29.43 | TomyLobo | that worked |
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| 16:31.53 | rooisto47 | thanks themill |
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| 16:33.49 | J_P | TomyLobo: is a server, I don't have a GUI option to run gui app and qtparted is GUI right? |
| 16:34.04 | TomyLobo | yes |
| 16:34.09 | TomyLobo | no idea then |
| 16:34.27 | unfancy | leejongwook: dpkg |
| 16:34.49 | leejongwook | unfancy, hi :) |
| 16:35.02 | leejongwook | again :) |
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| 16:35.45 | karlpinc | J_P: parted then. |
| 16:36.14 | karlpinc | J_P: Plus something like resize2fs if parted won't call it automagically. |
| 16:36.59 | karlpinc | J_P: Or setup lvm to make this easier and not have to worry about contiguous space. (Although lvm has a few suble problems left.) |
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| 16:37.32 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, I know what it was. Screen session on two different format screens. |
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| 16:38.18 | TomyLobo | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-common for openoffice.org -writer2latex, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 16:38.35 | TomyLobo | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 16:38.41 | TomyLobo | Press return to continue |
| 16:38.41 | J_P | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 16:38.50 | nvz | TomyLobo: please do not do that |
| 16:38.55 | TomyLobo | do what? |
| 16:39.03 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:39.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 16:39.05 | smhar | greetings |
| 16:39.08 | TomyLobo | i did not paste |
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| 16:39.29 | nvz | TomyLobo: doesnt matter, the point is it clutters the channel and makes it hard for us to follow what you and other people are saying |
| 16:39.51 | nvz | TomyLobo: format it all to one line, or put it in paste.debian.net |
| 16:39.56 | smhar | I am setting up an old computer for my 6yrs old, G1 son. does any one have a recommendation for a good desktop environment to use? |
| 16:39.58 | TomyLobo | well it's 3 lines. usually those rules say "do not paste more than 3 lines". sorry |
| 16:40.48 | themill | TomyLobo: we also really want to see the *entire* output and the command that generated it. A lot of other detail would be handy too: /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:41.02 | TomyLobo | that is the entire output |
| 16:41.07 | nvz | TomyLobo: I may have walked in on the middle of your issue, but all I know is that when I came in, to offer help, I seen you doing that, and I still have no clue what you're doing |
| 16:41.07 | leejongwook | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=737761 |
| 16:41.35 | nvz | the fact that you have a possible dependancy issue with OO.o is apparent, though I'm still kinda clueless |
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| 16:42.01 | TomyLobo | i'm upgrading from lenny to squeeze |
| 16:42.13 | nvz | TomyLobo: and the command you issued was? |
| 16:42.23 | themill | TomyLobo: I bet it isn't the entire output... aptitude and apt-get are quite chatty about what they're doing. And we don't know what command you gave or anything about what you've done so far |
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| 16:42.28 | TomyLobo | i've said that like 10 times before, now i thought the idea got through :D |
| 16:42.48 | jandro | Hi, I just got a lcd monitor connected via DVI to my laptop that works fine in the X once it's enabled in nvidia-settings, but once I switch to the tty's the monitor goes to sleep mode. What's the way to go to configure it for the tty's? I don't manage to find anything related in google.thanks |
| 16:42.52 | TomyLobo | i ran aptitude without parameters and selected packages there |
| 16:43.00 | karlpinc | smhar: Dunno about the desktop, but gdm works nicely for login because you can configure it to automatically login without password. I gave gnome to my elderly mom and it worked out.... |
| 16:43.07 | TomyLobo | that really is all the output i have |
| 16:43.12 | nvz | TomyLobo: that is NOT how you upgrade to squeeze |
| 16:43.20 | themill | TomyLobo: why are you selecting packages in the interface if you're doing an upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 16:43.26 | TomyLobo | i know, but the recommended way failed |
| 16:43.39 | nvz | TomyLobo: then back up to that way, and lets go from there |
| 16:44.00 | TomyLobo | safe-upgrade does nothing anymore, full-upgrade wants to remove packages i want to keep |
| 16:44.21 | nvz | TomyLobo: such as? |
| 16:44.35 | TomyLobo | running it again, just a second |
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| 16:44.43 | themill | TomyLobo: ok, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; aptitude -f full-upgrade" for us. |
| 16:45.11 | TomyLobo | oh right, my x server:D |
| 16:45.28 | nvz | heh |
| 16:45.35 | TomyLobo | hmm i notice now that it also upgrades some other x server |
| 16:45.37 | leejongwook | unfancy, :P |
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| 16:46.24 | karlpinc | smhar: FWIW, I'm installing debian on a box with 48MB of ram for my 18 month old. I figure I'll have it just boot straight into an application and then worry about refining it later. (It's taking forever to install with 48MB, lots of thrashing. I gotta get more ram. We'll see if I ever get X running....) |
| 16:46.47 | TomyLobo | which, i hope, works with my laptop's graphics chip :D |
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| 16:47.01 | TomyLobo | i'll just let it proceed |
| 16:47.08 | nvz | karlpinc: generally in such situations I install on a faster machine then put the hd back in |
| 16:47.29 | leejongwook | unfancy, i gave up, squared fonts, whatever, i'm tired, thanks anyway *:) |
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| 16:48.41 | karlpinc | nvz: Yeah. I'm lazy. |
| 16:49.02 | Devastator | the last update in squeeze solved a few problems, but when I shutdown it changes console font size to a very small size.. |
| 16:49.03 | nvz | karlpinc: as long as you know it... knowing is half the battle.. |
| 16:49.12 | jimcooncat | If I want to run kvm using packages in lenny-backports, do I use the package named "kvm" or "qemu-kvm"? |
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| 16:50.00 | nvz | karlpinc: I'm currently procrastinating against working on either of two laptops I gotta fix, or studying spread spectrum systems.. cause I'm tired and not in the mood.. heh |
| 16:50.01 | nsadmin | Devastator: but when you shut down you're not using the computer anyway... right? |
| 16:50.16 | smhar | karlpinc, well, my home network server is P2 233 with 64MB and it is running NFS, Apache, MySQL, PHP, PhpMyAdmin among other things :-) |
| 16:50.23 | liable | jimcooncat: check the description for both and decide |
| 16:50.34 | Devastator | nsadmin yes, I'm not saying it's a problem, but is nice to see what's doing |
| 16:50.48 | smhar | karlpinc, I did the net install using floppies |
| 16:50.50 | nsadmin | oh, gotcha |
| 16:50.58 | jimcooncat | liable: I did check and couldn't decide. I may have missed something tho |
| 16:51.16 | smhar | karlpinc, no X though |
| 16:51.32 | Devastator | nsadmin perhaps they will change that when they release.. |
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| 16:51.41 | nsadmin | floopies? what are those? |
| 16:51.52 | amgarching | Hi! I observe rsh to be a link to ssh on my system. Can one assume that ssh will behave the same way when invoked (say by tar) as an "rsh" http://pastebin.com/f43200350 Or should I rather always specify --rsh=ssh for tar? |
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| 16:51.55 | karlpinc | smhar: There seems to be a huge difference between 48 and 64M. Looking at /proc/meminfo I see that I've got about 17M of active swap so another 16 M of ram would come close to eliminating the thrashing. I'm still in the installer, it takes about 15 minutes to install a package because building the dependency tree and such initialization takes forever. |
| 16:52.00 | amgarching | Another question: what cipher do you use for transfering large amount of data over gigabit ethernet? |
| 16:52.02 | liable | jimcooncat: according to my box, kvm isn't a real package, but its supplied by kvm-qemu |
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| 16:52.22 | jimcooncat | liable: thanks, I missed that. |
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| 16:52.42 | karlpinc | amgarching: You should be network bound regardless of the cipher. |
| 16:52.45 | smhar | nsadmin, they are the grand daddies on DVD |
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| 16:52.53 | Debian-user | Hello |
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| 16:53.17 | karlpinc | smhar: This box is so old the bios is broken and it won't boot from CD. :-/ |
| 16:53.30 | Debian-user | What's the command to remove packages that are not needed now |
| 16:53.38 | Debian-user | as i remove openoffice.org |
| 16:53.42 | Debian-user | removed |
| 16:53.43 | karlpinc | Debian-user: They should automatically be removed for you. |
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| 16:54.03 | Debian-user | The unnecessary dependency |
| 16:54.10 | m3tti | hi guys |
| 16:54.23 | nvz | Debian-user: apt-get autoremove |
| 16:54.26 | karlpinc | Debian-user: That's what apt is for. (The backend behind apt-get/aptituce/synaptic/etc.) |
| 16:54.45 | karlpinc | (Oops, aptitude) |
| 16:55.02 | smhar | karlpinc, that is why I installed from floppies . My BIOS does not even recognize the hard disks, the 212 & 320 GB |
| 16:55.12 | m3tti | did anybody know why my mic in my intel hda ati azalia alc262 card doesn't work ??? It's working under a ubuntu live cd but not in debian |
| 16:55.15 | m3tti | ? |
| 16:55.22 | nvz | karlpinc: something tells me you don't understand the question or don't know the answer. Thanks for playing, try again sometime. ;) |
| 16:55.23 | Debian-user | What's the command to remove xorg and all xorg related packages, |
| 16:55.28 | karlpinc | smhar: I didn't think to use floppies. I put in a pci nic and pxebooted. |
| 16:55.37 | themill | dpkg: tell Debian-user about remove x |
| 16:55.40 | Debian-user | If i do aptitude remove xorg , will it remove iceweasel ? |
| 16:55.55 | themill | Debian-user: try it and see |
| 16:56.18 | smhar | karlpinc, the floppies were for the base install, I think 3 or 5 ones, then it was all through the net |
| 16:56.22 | amgarching | karlpinc: still I observe SSH consuming up to 90% CPU on huge files at 80 M/s transfer speeds. |
| 16:56.26 | nsadmin | m3tti tell them what version of the kernel you had and what version of the driver you had, and also versions of kernel and driver now |
| 16:56.37 | smhar | karlpinc, maybe I should check open bios for it |
| 16:56.54 | karlpinc | nvz: Aptitude does this automaticlly, as does synaptic. And I thought that apt-get (which is not recommended any longer btw) does it too because the feature's been backported into the apt libraries. Could be wrong there. |
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| 16:57.10 | jelly | amgarching: if your network link is trusted, you may consider patching openssh with Cipher None support |
| 16:57.21 | TomyLobo | Debian-user it will ask you before automatically removing any packages |
| 16:57.34 | Debian-user | themill: May be, iceweasel will be there |
| 16:57.52 | nvz | karlpinc: as far as I know nothing does any such thing, unless told to.. which is what he asked |
| 16:57.53 | m3tti | nsadmin: my kernel i'm on is 2.6.32-trunk and alsa is at erm where could i see the alsa version |
| 16:58.04 | jelly | amgarching: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 16:58.18 | nvz | karlpinc: in the case of apt-get, it tells you that the following packages were auto installed and to use autoremove to remove them |
| 16:58.25 | nsadmin | m3tti one place, run alsamixer |
| 16:58.29 | nvz | karlpinc: I don't use the others much, but I'm sure they do the same |
| 16:58.31 | Debian-user | Can i run iceweasel after removing xorg, i think no |
| 16:58.32 | Debian-user | ? |
| 16:58.46 | nvz | Debian-user: yes, just not on that machine |
| 16:58.56 | karlpinc | nvz: Check out, e.g. "aptitude markauto" and "aptitude unmarkauto". Anyting aptitude/synaptic installes that's not specifically asked for are marked auto installed and will automatically be uninstalled without any user intervention. |
| 16:58.59 | Debian-user | nvz: How ? |
| 16:59.00 | m3tti | nsadmin: oh haven't seen it in the alsamixer XD. its 1.0.21 |
| 16:59.15 | nvz | Debian-user: you could for example run a vncserver and connect to it and run iceweasel on that machine from another machine via vnc |
| 16:59.24 | karlpinc | !tell nvz about why aptitude |
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| 16:59.42 | Debian-user | nvz: I have not used vnc before |
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| 17:00.20 | m3tti | nsadmin: but i have no clue which alsa is provided in ubuntu but its an 2.6.31 kernel |
| 17:00.51 | nvz | karlpinc: I'm not f'n interested in aptitude, and the programs will not do any such behavior without you telling it to. If I install Foo which Pulls in Bar, and I uninstall Foo, but still have a 3rd party package outside my packaging system that depends on Bar... |
| 17:00.53 | Debian-user | What's the command to remove xorg and all packages that need xorg,x11 like iceweasel , slim, xterm etc ? |
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| 17:01.11 | nvz | basically what I am saying is, just because something was autodepend, doesnt mean you ALWAYS want it removed with the app |
| 17:01.19 | nvz | its an opt in/opt out thing |
| 17:01.23 | m3tti | nsadmin: and please don't tell me to switch my mic on i've tested nearly everything with the capture thing the digital and the mic boost even with the mic playback |
| 17:01.24 | karlpinc | nvz: Ah. If you don't use package management then you're on your own. |
| 17:01.47 | leoboiko | hi. when unattended-upgrades says it will only install packages from security and "stable"... will it understand that the repositories I call "lenny" in sources.list are the same as "stable"? |
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| 17:02.04 | karlpinc | nvz: Newbies should get all their packages from the debian repos. When they're no longer newbies they can do their own system's integration. |
| 17:02.07 | hiwk | I use lenny. I need to upgrade subversion to the testing version. How do I do that the right way? |
| 17:02.19 | karlpinc | !tell hiwk about bpo |
| 17:02.21 | nvz | karlpinc: I'm not gonna argue with you any longer. the simple fact of the matter is the programs only autoremove when told to. he asked how to do it, the correct answer would be apt-get autoremove, or to check the box or whatever the case may be in synaptic |
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| 17:02.41 | J_P | karlpinc: I have this error when I try to resize: "Error: Partition /dev/sdb1 is being used. You must unmount it before you modify it with Parted." But I boot with linux on sda. sdb is second HD that I want resize. |
| 17:02.46 | nacer | hi |
| 17:02.50 | themill | nvz: there's nothing to stop you using aptitude in that situation. Just mark bar as being manually installed. If you have compiled stuff you need to take responsibility for that. Don't blame the tools if you've not bothered to use them properly |
| 17:02.53 | m3tti | nsadmin: ah in ubuntu its alsa 1.0.21 |
| 17:03.00 | karlpinc | nvz: The simple fact of the matter is that (it seems) apt-get only removes dependences when told to. The rest of apt has moved on. |
| 17:03.17 | leoboiko | in other words, is apt.conf's Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins variable smart enough to understand release codenames? |
| 17:03.18 | themill | nvz: and stuff installed by tasksel from the installer doesn't always show up as automatically installed (fixed for squeeze, I thnik) |
| 17:03.26 | J_P | karlpinc: so sdb1 is really not mounted |
| 17:03.37 | nvz | themill: I know how aptitude works, I'm NOT INTERESTED. I'm just pointing out that he didn't answer the question asked |
| 17:03.45 | nsadmin | try apt-cache show alsa-source | grep Version |
| 17:03.48 | karlpinc | themill: I noticed that. Nice that it's fixed. |
| 17:04.02 | leoboiko | hiwk: best way is not to do it, but if you must, you can try backports.org |
| 17:04.06 | Debian-user | Is firefox available in sid ? |
| 17:04.07 | karlpinc | J_P: What does "mount" say about what's mounted? |
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| 17:04.36 | nvz | the question asked was HOW DO I REMOVE DEPENDENCIES OF AN APP I REMOVED.. INDICATING THAT IT WAS NOT INSTALLED WITH APTITUDE WHICH AUTOREMOVED IT O-B-V-I-O-U-S-L-Y |
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| 17:05.11 | themill | nvz: less shouting or more walking away from irc for a while. |
| 17:05.12 | J_P | karlpinc: http://dpaste.com/151654/ |
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| 17:05.19 | karlpinc | nvz: Or indicating that the user is new to debian/package management and is used to being forced to do their own systems integration. |
| 17:05.24 | tvaughn | im trying to configure unrealircd and i need openssl... i did apt-get install openssl but its still saying its missing |
| 17:05.26 | leoboiko | nvz: please refrain from shouting |
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| 17:05.48 | themill | nvz: and if aptitude hasn't done it already, then apt-get autoremove isn't going to do any different |
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| 17:07.47 | hiwk | leoboiko: ok. I'll try to avoid it |
| 17:07.50 | hiwk | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 17:08.17 | karlpinc | J_P: Odd. What's in /etc/fstab? Are you using sdb for swap or something? Or maybe have raid setup? (Gotta go. Ask the channel.) |
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| 17:09.18 | TomyLobo | nvz i'm done running aptitude full-upgrade. same error |
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| 17:09.57 | J_P | karlpinc: http://dpaste.com/151658/ |
| 17:10.35 | m3tti | nsadmin: whats about alsa-firmware-loaders |
| 17:11.06 | nvz | TomyLobo: you're barking up the wrong tree. I dont do the automagic crap, I'm old school. I know that automagic 1) doesn't always work, and 2) isn't specific when it fails |
| 17:12.11 | m3tti | ok reboot |
| 17:12.25 | nvz | I would have told you to apt-get dist-upgrade and could fix any breakage you ran into |
| 17:12.47 | nvz | no clue why aptitude couldn't fix its own mess or how to solve it now |
| 17:12.56 | themill | nvz: no, apt-get would just say "sorry, I can't do this" and stop. |
| 17:13.10 | nvz | themill: right.. thats the way I like it |
| 17:13.23 | themill | with little/no error message and no attempt to help you. yay. |
| 17:13.25 | themill | TomyLobo: ok, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; aptitude -f full-upgrade" for us. |
| 17:13.33 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.40 | sepult | hassle |
| 17:13.42 | nvz | themill: you see where aptitude got him.. told him there was a predepends problem, possible dependency loop, and sorry I couldn't fix it |
| 17:13.49 | TomyLobo | themill how do i pastebin from the command line? :) |
| 17:14.00 | themill | !pastebin pipe |
| 17:14.00 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 17:14.15 | themill | TomyLobo: if you have netcat installed, then the last bit will help. |
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| 17:14.59 | m3tti | nsadmin: back again |
| 17:15.15 | TomyLobo | themill now i do :) |
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| 17:15.58 | TomyLobo | apt-cache policy; aptitude -f full-upgrade | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 17:16.03 | TomyLobo | is that correct, themill? |
| 17:16.31 | themill | TomyLobo: only the output of the second command would go to the pipe with that. Just run it as two separate commands |
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| 17:17.36 | exes | in OpenBSD I could look at the package contents to find the ./configure string used... can I do the same w/ debian? |
| 17:17.46 | nsadmin | m3tti that info is a good start... put everything you gather into a text file, facts about your system (incl versions of things), questions you ask, answers you get |
| 17:17.49 | TomyLobo | themill http://paste.debian.net/57896 |
| 17:18.26 | nsadmin | then you can show anyone how far you got |
| 17:18.48 | m3tti | nsadmin: ok |
| 17:19.17 | nsadmin | don't forget your original question, right at the top |
| 17:20.42 | themill | TomyLobo: that looks safe enough to let it run. keep a note of the few packages that it's removing so you can try installing them later. Most of them don't exist in squeeze any more anyway |
| 17:21.12 | TomyLobo | oh wait it didnt get the actual error |
| 17:21.38 | themill | TomyLobo: btw what is "http://opalix.freitagsrunde.org" in your sources.list? |
| 17:21.47 | TomyLobo | uni stuff :) |
| 17:22.03 | TomyLobo | only contains a single package i think |
| 17:22.09 | themill | TomyLobo: yeah, looks fine. |
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| 17:22.23 | themill | (just making sure it wasn't some crazy repo that was full of broken OOo packages!) |
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| 17:28.06 | ukl | hello. I just ran into this xorg/nvidia problem... how can I downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 1.6.5-1? (or how do I downgrade at all? how can I find which versions are available?) |
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| 17:29.19 | oggei | ukl: 3) apt-cache policy <pkgname> 2) apt-get install pkg/branch or pkg=version |
| 17:29.56 | ukl | oggei: I tried aptitude install xserver-xorg-core=1.6.5-1 but it responded with not finding the package (in this version) |
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| 17:30.29 | oggei | if you have also cleaned your package cache, you can try volatile |
| 17:30.47 | oggei | cause this version is indeed no more on repos |
| 17:30.49 | ukl | I probably have. What's volatile? |
| 17:31.08 | oggei | if you have try to downgrade |
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| 17:31.18 | TomyLobo | themill wtf is -f |
| 17:31.18 | oggei | volatile: volatile.debian.org |
| 17:31.29 | TomyLobo | it actually does something now |
| 17:31.44 | themill | TomyLobo: "try harder", basically |
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| 17:31.58 | TomyLobo | disadvantages? |
| 17:32.15 | ukl | hmm, there's no volatile/squeeze..? |
| 17:32.23 | TomyLobo | exactly |
| 17:32.35 | TomyLobo | /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:32.44 | TomyLobo | it tells you to remove that entry |
| 17:32.48 | themill | TomyLobo: it may spend a lot longer looking for a solution when it should give up and call in the troops. It might ignore what you've asked it to do on the command line (say when removing a package) in order to fix up the package system |
| 17:32.49 | oggei | ukl: you're supposed to read a bit if you want to use a branch != stable |
| 17:33.05 | nsadmin | how much data can an 80-min cd hold? |
| 17:33.07 | themill | ukl: think about what "volatile" means |
| 17:33.14 | ukl | oggei: I'm usually aware of this and happy to do it, I'm just in a hurry right now :/ |
| 17:33.33 | TomyLobo | themill uh it just asked me for a new mysql password |
| 17:33.36 | TomyLobo | for the 2nd time |
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| 17:33.49 | TomyLobo | and i dont even remember installing a mysql server |
| 17:33.58 | themill | TomyLobo: kde4 drags it in |
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| 17:34.06 | TomyLobo | oh that explains |
| 17:34.16 | nsadmin | why?? |
| 17:34.43 | themill | nsadmin: it uses an embedded sql server to save metadata about all your junk (emails, IM chats, files, etc) |
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| 17:35.14 | TomyLobo | nsadmin wikipedia helps. i think it was something around 740 MB. in general the appropriate answer will be "too little" |
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| 17:35.46 | nsadmin | so maybe it doesn't have to be mysql? could be sqlite or pg? |
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| 17:37.00 | themill | nsadmin: at the moment I believe it has to be mysql (it's run as an embedded server like sqlite but is thread-safe; mysqld isn't actually used) |
| 17:37.12 | nsadmin | or... let's pay oracle many k$/month and install oracle :) |
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| 17:40.30 | nsadmin | oh ok; thanks |
| 17:40.44 | dheeraj | hi to all , i am trying to download repository but always after some days it is throwing error for some packages that these package not found |
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| 17:41.00 | dheeraj | because of i think updatation |
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| 17:41.29 | dheeraj | so can you tell me how to download repository |
| 17:41.38 | ErNci | ethernet probs. |
| 17:41.43 | themill | nsadmin: there was much screaming and shouting about this. There are changes to the mysql packages planned (I think) and also work to support other backends. Being thread-safe is required and I gather doing that with sqlite isn't as easy as it sounds. |
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| 17:42.00 | Debian-user | What's the command to clean packages only ? |
| 17:42.07 | Debian-user | sudo aptitude ? |
| 17:42.10 | dheeraj | speed is good |
| 17:42.23 | dheeraj | Debian-user, apt-get clean |
| 17:43.02 | dheeraj | i am facing problem with debmirror |
| 17:43.11 | TomyLobo | mysql asking for password, number 3 |
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| 17:43.46 | dheeraj | TomyLobo, reset the password |
| 17:43.53 | dheeraj | if you forgot. |
| 17:44.17 | TomyLobo | nah, it's a nice progress indicator :D |
| 17:44.45 | dheeraj | anyone can help me to download repository with fats way |
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| 17:45.42 | TomyLobo | i also get these "untrusted" warnings. i have a keyring, what else do i need to install/do to get rid of those warnings? |
| 17:46.33 | dheeraj | update keyring |
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| 17:47.07 | TomyLobo | how? |
| 17:47.47 | TomyLobo | i have debian-keyring version 2009.11.04 |
| 17:48.02 | oggei | apt-key update |
| 17:48.02 | LRN | Is there a package maintainer guide that does not use debhelper? |
| 17:48.09 | km | any ideas what causing this coredump? http://pastebin.com/d162f0a40 |
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| 17:48.40 | dheeraj | can anyone tell me any better way to download rerpository than debmirror |
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| 17:49.07 | TomyLobo | oggei 6 processed 6 unchanged |
| 17:49.15 | ErNci | dheeraj: ethernet. |
| 17:49.48 | dheeraj | ErNci, i am not getting how ehternet is the problem |
| 17:49.48 | oggei | TomyLobo: so explain which archives gives you key errors |
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| 17:50.04 | dheeraj | ErNci, it works fine |
| 17:50.18 | dheeraj | till 60% download |
| 17:50.19 | oggei | (for instance, sources.list keyring is debian-archive-keyring, debian-keyring is dev stuff) |
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| 17:51.00 | DexterF | hi |
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| 17:51.11 | TomyLobo | oggei how about i tell you which few do NOT give me key errors? :) |
| 17:51.29 | DexterF | what command is there to change X resolution via cli? I just can't remember |
| 17:51.34 | oggei | depends on that answer you'd like to answer, TomyLobo |
| 17:51.42 | dheeraj | ErNci, if it can download some extent means it is working..am i correct? |
| 17:51.43 | oggei | s/that/what/ |
| 17:51.55 | oggei | i'm pretty tired, eh, sorry |
| 17:52.31 | TomyLobo | oggei just about every package from squeeze |
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| 17:52.52 | oggei | TomyLobo: how about "apt-get update" output ? |
| 17:53.46 | oggei | trust and signatures and stuff are repository wide, if a repo fail entire load fail |
| 17:55.05 | dheeraj | using rsync also can we download debian repository? |
| 17:55.52 | TomyLobo | oggei odd... despite the fact that i've done it about a dozen times today, "aptitude update" fixed the "untrusted" warnings now |
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| 17:57.33 | oggei | TomyLobo: sure, updating caches is the way that fixes |
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| 18:00.57 | TomyLobo | udevd complains: SYSFS will be removed in a future version, use ATTR |
| 18:01.04 | TomyLobo | i have no idea what it's talking about |
| 18:02.32 | maligor | it's talking about you using testing or unstable ;P |
| 18:03.43 | TomyLobo | are you sure? sounds like something else |
| 18:04.16 | TomyLobo | wow kde4 is ugly |
| 18:04.55 | maligor | TomyLobo, you aren't using testing or unstable then? |
| 18:05.08 | TomyLobo | testing |
| 18:05.21 | TomyLobo | it has that glass crap all over |
| 18:05.40 | maligor | you can find non-glass themes for it too |
| 18:06.00 | maligor | it has a integrated theme browser that links to kde-look also |
| 18:06.54 | DexterF | TomyLobo: wait till you tried to use it or arrange buttons on the panels. |
| 18:07.14 | DexterF | *that* is when the pain starts |
| 18:07.32 | maligor | how so? |
| 18:07.39 | maligor | I found most of the stuff in it works just fine |
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| 18:11.28 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 18:11.58 | wuffi600 | how can i get alsa soundoutput via hdmi on lenny? |
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| 18:13.01 | TomyLobo | ok how do i get rid of the vista style start menu? |
| 18:13.28 | maligor | it's just a 'plasmoid' |
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| 18:13.37 | maligor | you can just remove it |
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| 18:13.52 | TomyLobo | wtf is a plasmoid? |
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| 18:14.07 | jelly-hme | TomyLobo: "widget" or "applet" or... |
| 18:15.00 | maligor | or "gadget" as google calls them :P |
| 18:15.07 | jelly-hme | yay for introducing unecessary niche terminology |
| 18:15.34 | maligor | dunno really if there is a classic style menu for kde4, I wouldn't be surprised if there was tho |
| 18:15.50 | jelly-hme | I think there is |
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| 18:15.57 | maligor | there's the 'Klassik' Plasma theme atleast that makes it look like the KDE3 panel |
| 18:16.01 | jelly-hme | not on kde4 right now |
| 18:16.20 | DexterF | maligor: try and watch dvb |
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| 18:17.03 | DexterF | TomyLobo: right-click the menu item, conf it to classic. if that deosnt work, there is a classic kmenu applet, pardon plasmoid |
| 18:17.06 | maligor | TomyLobo, and you might want to check Desktop properties, you can change it to look like the old 'Desktop' folder layout |
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| 18:35.02 | wuffi600 | iw ould like to run the alsa-packages that come with sid on my lenny installation. Is this possible? Are there some points i have to take care of when upgrading? |
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| 18:50.24 | Hoxzer | ^___^ |
| 18:50.26 | ravenbird | Hoxzer: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 18:54.39 | nsadmin | how to set the client string for iceweasel? |
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| 18:55.56 | greycat | install an add-on like User Agent Switcher |
| 18:56.49 | nsadmin | ahh. is that particular one in a .deb for lenny? also, is firefox/icew-3.5 available for lenny? |
| 18:56.58 | greycat | it's just a regular firefox plugin |
| 18:59.41 | greycat | for whatever it's worth, upstream firefox 3.6 runs fine on lenny |
| 18:59.57 | greycat | (at least i386; I haven't tested other platforms) |
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| 19:01.24 | chomwitt | i try to follow the 'install debian from unix' senario . In 'D.3.4.1 Creater device files' , warns for caution in mounting /dev. But Linux From Scratch uses that approach. Anyone with experience on the subject? |
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| 19:07.34 | linelevel | hi guys, i have a linux (debian) webserver which runs Sawmill, a webapp that analyzes server logs and gives access & user stats... the trouble is, it's always so busy updating its internal database from the log files (which are stored on a local drive) that it's very slow to respond to http requests from users. Is there a way i can set up this box to give priority to http requests (and maybe ssh traffic as well), so that it won't appear to hang when |
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| 19:08.20 | abrotman | linelevel: renice stuff |
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| 19:09.35 | greycat | if it's crunching logs 24/7 then no amount of prioritization is going to help in the long run. you'd need faster I/O or faster CPU or whatever the bottleneck actualy is. |
| 19:10.04 | linelevel | abrotman, unfortunately i think the same process runs the Sawmill webserver as the Sawmill db updater. |
| 19:10.34 | abrotman | really? |
| 19:11.39 | linelevel | not 100% sure of that, but if not then i'm not sure how to determine which is which |
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| 19:13.18 | ice799 | Hi. I am using Debian Lenny and I am using NFS. When I try to portscan my machine remotely I see that port 111 is open on the public NIC. How can I tell portmap which interface to listen on? I only want portmap to listen for connections on a local NIC. |
| 19:13.22 | ice799 | Anyone know? |
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| 19:15.22 | greycat | ice799: look at /etc/default/portmap |
| 19:16.04 | ice799 | greycat: Ah. Hah. Thanks! |
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| 19:16.58 | ice799 | greycat: Do I need to umount my mounted NFS shares before I restart portmap? |
| 19:17.12 | ice799 | I thought I could just restart portmap just fine, but I don't want to break anything. |
| 19:17.17 | linelevel | abrotman, how can i identify which process Sawmill uses for its webserver and which it uses for updating its db? The docs aren't that detailed. |
| 19:17.50 | greycat | I'm not sure. |
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| 19:21.08 | nsadmin | cool, that worked. thanks |
| 19:21.40 | ice799 | greycat: Hm interesting |
| 19:21.50 | ice799 | when I change it to bind to a local interface it gets very upset. |
| 19:22.01 | ice799 | statd refuses to start and I get a bunch of errors when trying to restart portamp. |
| 19:22.03 | ice799 | arg. |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | I've never changed that, so I can't help :( |
| 19:22.32 | greycat | you might also check bugs.debian.org/portmap to see if anyone else has mentioned it |
| 19:22.54 | TomyLobo | since upgrading from lenny to squeeze, my touchpad lacks the scroll feature and the double tap feature |
| 19:22.58 | TomyLobo | what am i missing? |
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| 19:23.26 | TomyLobo | someone in another channel said it'd be synaptics. i have a package named "xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" installed. |
| 19:23.33 | nsadmin | probably the specific driver |
| 19:24.06 | TomyLobo | it worked before the upgrade |
| 19:24.31 | TomyLobo | it's a thinkpad t43 |
| 19:26.31 | greycat | Gosh, another user having trouble with X in Squeeze. Imagine that... |
| 19:28.09 | TomyLobo | basically i wanted a newer version of one package |
| 19:28.13 | TomyLobo | what i got was vista |
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| 19:29.05 | greycat | !tell TomyLobo about backports |
| 19:29.59 | TomyLobo | i somehow dont think that would have been easier |
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| 19:30.41 | greycat | installing a single package from backports.org compared to upgrading your entire system to squeeze? you don't think that's simpler? |
| 19:31.02 | acidtonic | anyone get pycairo working on debian? pycairo requires python 2.6 and we're still in the stone ages with 2.5 |
| 19:31.18 | th0ger | My ext3 partitions are checked every 30 boot. Should I always set the fstab pass=0 for ext3? |
| 19:31.45 | TomyLobo | double tap works again :) installed gsynaptics and used it to enable that feature |
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| 19:32.02 | acidtonic | I dont really feel like recompiling *everything* in debian for python 2.6, but now I'm stuck because I have to have 2.6 for pycairo unless someone got it working |
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| 19:33.50 | greycat | you can have python 2.6 and 2.5 installed simultaneously, and just use 2.6 for the thing that needs it |
| 19:36.05 | acidtonic | greycat, not when using mod_wsgi |
| 19:36.21 | acidtonic | greycat, its compiled *specifically* for the version of python used to build it |
| 19:36.34 | acidtonic | and the lamers making the pycairo package without good reason, just dropped 2.5 |
| 19:36.36 | greycat | Then build it using 2.6 or whatever. |
| 19:36.48 | greycat | "python2.6 setup.py" or something |
| 19:37.04 | acidtonic | yeah getting lamp to work with debian on python 2.6 is less fun than a root canal |
| 19:37.21 | acidtonic | thinking about moving up to ubuntu, debian has just been pissing me off over this issue lately |
| 19:37.35 | acidtonic | the 2.6 packages from experimental are poorly built |
| 19:37.48 | acidtonic | mod_wsgi for python 2.6 is nonexistant with debian |
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| 19:38.05 | chops1 | How do I start a program in gdb but break at the first line? |
| 19:38.06 | TomyLobo | yay scrolling is back |
| 19:38.06 | acidtonic | and all the libraries needed are 2.5 still |
| 19:38.26 | greycat | acidtonic: I still don't understand what your complaint is. Retain 2.5 as the DEFAULT python, and install 2.6 alongside it, and use 2.6 for the one thing that needs 2.6. |
| 19:38.47 | acidtonic | greycat, my whole project needs 2.6, not just a little piece |
| 19:39.01 | greycat | chops1: gdb programname (gdb) break main (gdb) run |
| 19:39.03 | acidtonic | greycat, you obviously have not tried getting django working on python 2.6 on debian |
| 19:39.27 | acidtonic | greycat, i stopped after hour 5 of custom compiling and still not finding a way not to break things |
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| 19:46.27 | chops1 | greycat: Excellent, thanks |
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| 19:55.00 | ice799 | So if I set tcp wrappers for some services do I need to restart them or does that take affect immediately? |
| 19:55.11 | ice799 | I have no idea how tcp wrappers work, other than the syntax for the file. |
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| 19:55.48 | greycat | Depends on how the service is run. If it's run from inetd using something like "tcpd foodaermon" then you don't have to do anything. |
| 19:56.20 | greycat | Also depends on what you mean by "set tcp wrappers". If you mean "I edited hosts.deny" then what I said above. |
| 19:56.34 | greycat | if you mean "I edited /etc/inetd.conf" then you'd have to signal inetd |
| 19:57.02 | ice799 | Well I'm going to edit hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 19:57.10 | greycat | what service are you affecting? |
| 19:57.25 | ice799 | right now port 111 is wide open -- rpcbind. |
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| 19:57.40 | ice799 | I need NFS for a bunch of a systems, but only on their local nics. |
| 19:57.46 | greycat | and you think Debian's portmap is set up to use tcp wrappers? |
| 19:57.53 | greycat | (I don't know... it might or might not be) |
| 19:58.00 | greycat | I didn't even think portmap used TCP |
| 19:58.55 | jelly-hme | greycat: ldd `which portmap` confirms! |
| 19:59.05 | ice799 | I don't know if it does but everything I've read online says that you should set tcp wrappers up as step 1 |
| 19:59.22 | greycat | how cute. |
| 19:59.30 | jelly-hme | but for some reason there's documentation saying "please use ip addresses only, no symbolic names" |
| 19:59.31 | ice799 | There are other things you are supposed to do as steps 2, 3, etc. |
| 19:59.52 | greycat | I'd be much more curious why editing /etc/default/portmap and rebooting did not work. |
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| 20:00.14 | ice799 | greycat: Yeah I dunno, everything shit itself when I did that. |
| 20:00.18 | ice799 | Probably a bug. |
| 20:00.27 | greycat | you filed a bug report? |
| 20:00.27 | ice799 | I got a pile of errors output |
| 20:00.31 | ice799 | Nah. |
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| 20:21.15 | reaktae | i need help installing java6-jre on my arm-based headless box? i keep getting this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/364766/. am i missing sources/repos? |
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| 20:23.14 | abrotman | reaktae: uname -a |
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| 20:23.57 | reaktae | abrotman: "Linux myBox 2.6.30-2-orion5x #1 Sat Nov 7 00:42:42 UTC 2009 armv5tel GNU/Linux" |
| 20:24.00 | themill | reaktae: sun's java only exists for i386 and amd64. That's one of the problems with non-free software. |
| 20:24.46 | abrotman | reaktae: you'll probably have to use some OSS java-ish implementation |
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| 20:26.47 | reaktae | themill: is there a way to build it using Sun's J2SE and the java-package? |
| 20:27.43 | themill | reaktae: I doubt you'll get anything from Sun working on that architecture. Try openjdk |
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| 20:28.07 | reaktae | will do. thanks! |
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| 20:31.59 | matu | is it normal i cant use msn with pidgin anymore ? |
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| 20:32.43 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:33.02 | themill | matu: install pidgin from backports.org; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:34.43 | matu | TrueDD: do i need to remove pidgin before i use this ? |
| 20:35.19 | TrueDD | before use what ? |
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| 20:35.28 | abrotman | matu: no |
| 20:35.30 | themill | matu: no. follow the instructions on backports.org, then aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin |
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| 20:35.54 | TrueDD | you don't need to remove it |
| 20:38.10 | krimou16 | hi, i couldn't startx on my session but in safe mode i can, |
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| 20:38.58 | shoppe | anyone know the name of the alsa dev libraries on debian? |
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| 20:39.18 | abrotman | lenny? squeeze? |
| 20:39.26 | shoppe | lenny |
| 20:39.50 | abrotman | libasound2-dev ? |
| 20:39.57 | Armageddon | how do I upgrade to sid ? |
| 20:40.00 | abrotman | you don't |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | Armageddon: if you have to ask how to do it, you're not supposed to be running sid |
| 20:40.25 | dwq | matu: also consider using an open protocol like jabber instead of msn. then you won't have to deal with crap like that :) |
| 20:40.36 | abrotman | dwq: and all of his friends too@! |
| 20:40.39 | matu | i always use it |
| 20:40.41 | greycat | shoppe: apt-cache search -- lib alsa -dev |
| 20:40.50 | dwq | abrotman: yes! |
| 20:40.53 | abrotman | dwq: you might want to point out that gtalk is using xmpp/jabber |
| 20:41.06 | greycat | shoppe: and if that fails, try asound instead of alsa |
| 20:41.17 | dwq | abrotman: but gtalk isn't federated is it? |
| 20:41.31 | Armageddon | abrotman, actually I've been trying different ways |
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| 20:42.04 | abrotman | dwq: ? |
| 20:42.12 | abrotman | Armageddon: that doesn't mean you should be doing that |
| 20:42.13 | DeFender1031 | how do i access mediawiki installed with apt? |
| 20:42.14 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 20:42.26 | shoppe | nice. thx guys |
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| 20:42.42 | DeFender1031 | localhost/wiki/ and localhost/mediawiki/ are 404 |
| 20:42.51 | Armageddon | abrotman, does testing have the latest packages ? |
| 20:42.55 | dwq | abrotman: can you talk to someone on randomjabberserver.org from google talk nowadays? |
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| 20:43.00 | abrotman | Armageddon: of which ones ? |
| 20:43.10 | matu | i mean i already use it |
| 20:43.11 | greycat | DeFender1031: does it say somewhere in /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/ ? |
| 20:43.17 | abrotman | dwq: i guess .. i use a non-gtalk to talk to my brother on gtalk |
| 20:43.17 | trypt | can I use squeeze .debs for lenny? I'm not sure what squeeze is |
| 20:43.18 | abrotman | trypt: no |
| 20:43.23 | trypt | damn |
| 20:43.30 | abrotman | trypt: what are you looking to use ? |
| 20:43.35 | greycat | squeeze is the next version of debian after lenny, and it's not released yet |
| 20:43.36 | trypt | lighttpd |
| 20:43.55 | trypt | the stable lenny version of lighttpd is 1 version short of being able to handle IPs from reverse proxies |
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| 20:44.10 | dwq | abrotman: ah, that didn't use to be possible, I bet they changed that a long time ago without me even noticing |
| 20:44.15 | greycat | trypt: try backports.org before you consider "upgrading" to squeeze |
| 20:44.26 | trypt | thanks |
| 20:44.31 | Armageddon | trypt, do that, it helps a lot |
| 20:44.44 | Armageddon | backports are really handy |
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| 20:45.05 | DeFender1031 | greycat, it doesn't seem to |
| 20:45.17 | trypt | no lighttpd in backports >.< |
| 20:45.26 | greycat | !tell trypt about ssd |
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| 20:45.35 | greycat | sorry, wrong trigger :( |
| 20:45.38 | greycat | !tell trypt about ssb |
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| 20:45.51 | trypt | lol thanks |
| 20:45.54 | Armageddon | there are no more letter to try |
| 20:46.33 | greycat | I've done a few "sid backports", in particular xlockmore is missing from lenny |
| 20:47.21 | Armageddon | greycat, it helped me with the driver issues, I got the new kernel in backport and my wireless worked |
| 20:48.00 | DeFender1031 | greycat, or rather, everything i read says it should be at localhost/mediawiki/ but isn't |
| 20:48.06 | greycat | yes, plenty of machines have hardware that's not supported in lenny's kernel |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | DeFender1031: I'm not familiar with the mediawiki package, unfortunately |
| 20:49.51 | abrotman | dwq: i've been doing it for uh .. two years or so ? |
| 20:49.56 | Carneque | Anyone know about configuring Squid3 in Debian? |
| 20:51.17 | Armageddon | Carneque, what's the problem ? |
| 20:51.25 | Carneque | hi Armageddon |
| 20:51.35 | trypt | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 20:51.38 | trypt | is good right greycat? |
| 20:52.06 | Armageddon | trypt, try testing |
| 20:52.17 | Armageddon | isn't it in squeeze ? |
| 20:52.17 | Carneque | I'm wondering... if I use aptitude to install Squid3 .... will I run into the 2.6 problems with ./configure |
| 20:52.25 | trypt | yep |
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| 20:52.46 | Carneque | http://wiki.squid-cache.org/KnowledgeBase/Debian |
| 20:52.50 | Armageddon | trypt, try squeeze first |
| 20:52.53 | Carneque | on compiling |
| 20:52.55 | trypt | i wasnt saying yep @ you Carneque sorry if that confused you at all |
| 20:52.59 | trypt | use squeeze over sid? |
| 20:53.00 | Carneque | not at all |
| 20:53.05 | Armageddon | Carneque, if you use aptitude you won't need to compile |
| 20:53.23 | Carneque | okay... thats good, but then there's no way to set default users or any options? |
| 20:53.28 | Armageddon | trypt, yes try squeeze first |
| 20:53.41 | trypt | what exactly is squeeze ive never heard of it until now |
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| 20:53.47 | trypt | o.O |
| 20:53.50 | greycat | !squeeze |
| 20:53.50 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 20:54.01 | trypt | ah no wonder |
| 20:54.03 | Armageddon | Carneque, what do you mean exactly ? |
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| 20:54.38 | Carneque | that link I pasted has a warning section about compiling |
| 20:54.52 | trypt | E: Build-Depends dependency for lighttpd cannot be satisfied because the package debhelper cannot be found |
| 20:55.15 | Armageddon | Carneque, if you use aptitude you won't need to compile at all |
| 20:55.21 | greycat | don't remove the regular "deb ... lenny" lines. |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | you need those too. |
| 20:55.30 | trypt | oh ok |
| 20:55.45 | Carneque | So any of those settings are only for people with binary source |
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| 20:56.20 | Armageddon | Carneque, what settings ? you have 2 options, either you compile manually and have to go into dependencies or use aptitude which will take care of everything and install squid |
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| 20:56.59 | Carneque | oh... I didn't know that ./configure options are setting up dependencies for compiliing |
| 20:57.19 | Carneque | I think that answers my question on the Debian part |
| 20:57.25 | Armageddon | Carneque, aptitude takes care of everything |
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| 20:57.46 | greycat | aptitude installs packages that are already compiled by Debian |
| 20:57.47 | dwq | abrotman: heh, I don't think I ever followed up on that after being disappointed back in 2005-2006 :) |
| 20:57.48 | Armageddon | Carneque, it will check what dependencies squid needs and install them before installing squid itself |
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| 20:58.04 | abrotman | dwq: it may have been longer .. i'd have to look at logs at home |
| 20:58.26 | dwq | On January 17, 2006, Google enabled server-to-server communications, federating itself with any XMPP server that supports the dialback protocol. |
| 20:58.34 | Carneque | yeah I've seen it do its building dependency tree bit before... that's a better explanation though than I've heard before thanks |
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| 21:00.16 | surfdue | my zlib1g is at newest version, yet git: /usr/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by git) |
| 21:00.31 | surfdue | I am subject to that bug from 2007? how do i fix this |
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| 21:01.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what bug? |
| 21:02.27 | trypt | hmm |
| 21:02.30 | trypt | basically ive hit and issue |
| 21:02.37 | trypt | an* |
| 21:02.42 | greycat | I've used git in debian without any libz error messages |
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| 21:03.14 | trypt | hm |
| 21:03.16 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, the bug from dfsg-1 |
| 21:03.21 | trypt | im thinking i should just upgrade |
| 21:03.34 | trypt | theres too many out of date packages in lenny |
| 21:03.36 | surfdue | greycat, how can i see what versiion apt installed of something |
| 21:03.42 | greycat | surfdue: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 21:03.49 | surfdue | is there an upgrade? |
| 21:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache madison <package> |
| 21:04.09 | reaktae | abrotman, themill: I had good luck with this: http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/embedded.jsp, just wanted to put it out there. It seems that Sun finally realized what they have been missing out on. |
| 21:04.21 | surfdue | greycat, 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-12 i have the latest version |
| 21:04.24 | surfdue | i think im using lenny. |
| 21:05.09 | codrus | in /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686 (the current stable kernel), I think I accidently removed a module driver (.ko file). What do I reinstall to get it back? I tried renaming the directory and re-installing the kernel but it didn't create a new directory here. |
| 21:05.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
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| 21:05.28 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, No packages found matching libc. |
| 21:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | libc-------->6<------------- |
| 21:05.44 | surfdue | crap |
| 21:05.46 | themill | codrus: that's not the current stable kernel though... |
| 21:05.53 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, 2.7-18 |
| 21:06.16 | greycat | codrus: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
| 21:06.17 | codrus | themill: it's the one the dummy kernel installed |
| 21:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's from lenny... there's a security update 2.7-18lenny2, though |
| 21:06.47 | codrus | greycat: thanks |
| 21:06.51 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, do you think thats the issue? |
| 21:07.22 | themill | codrus: that kernel isn't in any debian release though, so greycat's suggestion will only work if you have that package still in your apt cache. |
| 21:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just saying yes, you have lenny and remarking that you haven't got the latest security updates installed |
| 21:08.06 | greycat | themill: or in a third-party source that he's still pointing to |
| 21:08.30 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, well the problem is this git error it wont let me run it |
| 21:08.32 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, any ideas? |
| 21:08.47 | greycat | surfdue: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:09.01 | surfdue | greycat, 5.0.3 |
| 21:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to change policy so that custom-rebuilt packages are kept over packages of the same version in the repo? |
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| 21:13.00 | greycat | surfdue: I just did "sudo apt-get install git-core" and "git --help" without seeing any libz errors. |
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| 21:14.27 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: you should add a changelog entry to say that you're rebuilding it and do something with the version number to ensure that. ("/msg dpkg debian/rules" for ideas) |
| 21:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes.. did that in the past, forgot this time |
| 21:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and prone to forget again... |
| 21:15.37 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: you can pin by origin if you make your own repo |
| 21:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww |
| 21:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the reason for that anyway? |
| 21:16.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I read up on that once, can't remember if I found out, though |
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| 21:18.49 | khaije|amalt | is there a chan for codec nerds? I need some help with my transcoding options |
| 21:19.07 | nooper | which app? |
| 21:19.14 | khaije|amalt | handbrake |
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| 21:20.04 | nooper | dunno about codec, but there is #handbrake |
| 21:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | khaije|amalt, write a good tutorial on codecs! |
| 21:20.42 | nooper | and #slackware-offtopic |
| 21:20.58 | khaije|amalt | ok thanks all |
| 21:22.19 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, i cant figure tsis out |
| 21:22.21 | surfdue | this* |
| 21:22.25 | adb | i got "Application initialization failed: version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.5.3, need exactly 8.4" , on both case of tcl(8.4 and 8.5) > http://paste.debian.net/57940/ |
| 21:22.52 | adb | on lenny machine |
| 21:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | surfdue, what version has git? |
| 21:23.31 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2 |
| 21:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's git-core? |
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| 21:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks ok |
| 21:26.12 | surfdue | yes |
| 21:26.26 | surfdue | looks. |
| 21:26.36 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, iuno its so strange want me to show you the dump |
| 21:27.17 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, http://grab.by/22FX |
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| 21:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaah |
| 21:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and nothing in this strikes you as funny? |
| 21:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, it's an image |
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| 21:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... "/usr/local/lib/libz.so.1"? |
| 21:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no big alarm bells ringing all over? |
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| 21:29.40 | meiskam | is it possible to copy a livecd to a partition of my harddrive, and make it bootable? |
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| 21:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hint, hint: dpkg -L zlib1g|grep libz.so |
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| 21:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | now what's the correct smite for this |
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| 21:32.32 | nsadmin | !correctsmite CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 21:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, would be something like... |
| 21:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !userlocalsmite surfdue |
| 21:33.28 | surfdue | lol |
| 21:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... !butcheryoursystemsmite surfdue |
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| 21:33.51 | surfdue | CutMeOwnThroat, /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3 |
| 21:33.51 | surfdue | /usr/lib/libz.so.1 |
| 21:34.05 | surfdue | crap. |
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| 21:34.06 | surfdue | what do i do then?! |
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| 21:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know what it says |
| 21:34.11 | Carneque | u guys working on Squeeze? |
| 21:34.16 | surfdue | i installed libc6 and git-core through apt-get |
| 21:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, remove the crap you installed in /usr/local which is used systemwide |
| 21:34.32 | surfdue | why would git use the wrong directory. |
| 21:34.42 | nsadmin | surfdue, see, this is a matter of the policy set up to help debian developers serve the community... they are not permitted to touch /usr/local |
| 21:34.42 | Carneque | I've got another dumb Squid question |
| 21:34.53 | jelly-hme | surfdue: remove your /usr/local/lib instance of zlib, or remove /usr/local/lib from dynamic linker's configuration |
| 21:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would anyone install libraries in /usr/local - and - even more pressing, then not be aware of it? |
| 21:35.01 | adb | meiskam, yes , but why ? |
| 21:35.11 | nsadmin | so if you see that, it's a red flag that the package is not put out by debian proper (if you care about that, that is) |
| 21:35.17 | Carneque | nm.... this is not the place I'll wait |
| 21:35.22 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: but they are permitted to add /usr/local/lib to default ld.so.conf apparently |
| 21:35.35 | surfdue | there is alot in local/lib |
| 21:35.37 | nsadmin | I think they can mkdirs |
| 21:35.47 | nsadmin | but that's it |
| 21:35.51 | surfdue | ill just remove it from ld.so.conf |
| 21:35.54 | jelly-hme | surfdue: none of it is owned by debian packages, and may interfere |
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| 21:36.33 | surfdue | jelly-hme, there is only 2 lines in my /usr/local/lib /usr/local/mysql/lib |
| 21:36.39 | surfdue | ld.so.conf* |
| 21:36.50 | jelly-hme | surfdue: who put them there? |
| 21:36.59 | surfdue | no idea |
| 21:37.02 | surfdue | i do have directadmin though |
| 21:37.05 | nsadmin | so you have some nondebian mysql stuff probably |
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| 21:37.26 | surfdue | so remove the zlib files from local/lib |
| 21:37.28 | jelly-hme | surfdue: I would contact the "directadmin" support, then |
| 21:37.50 | jelly-hme | you might break that and we don't know if you need it |
| 21:38.13 | surfdue | fixed it |
| 21:38.16 | nsadmin | I dunno, if it's working keep it (or if you want to switch, back up your databases, install the mysql (yes, BEFORE you remove the /usr/local data) and try to restore |
| 21:38.23 | nsadmin | ) |
| 21:38.42 | surfdue | seems to be working :P; |
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| 21:39.28 | jelly-hme | surfdue: things won't break until restarted |
| 21:40.05 | jelly-hme | surfdue: lsof -n |grep libz.so might show any running processes using the deleted libs |
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| 21:40.20 | kombucha | how do i add an alias IP to an existing nic? |
| 21:40.36 | kombucha | I tried putting alias at the end of the ifocnfig statement but that is deprecated apparently |
| 21:40.43 | surfdue | jelly-hme, lsof -n |grep libz.so ? |
| 21:40.56 | jelly-hme | something like that |
| 21:41.00 | surfdue | jelly-hme, lsof: command not found lol.. |
| 21:41.05 | surfdue | :P |
| 21:41.05 | jelly-hme | !installit |
| 21:41.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 21:41.33 | nsadmin | kombucha: start by making sure yo're using /etc/network/interfaces to configure your net on that box... |
| 21:41.34 | ice799 | Arg. |
| 21:41.51 | ice799 | I can't figure out how to restart rpcbind. |
| 21:41.53 | nsadmin | kombucha what interface do you want to have the new IP? |
| 21:42.03 | ice799 | I've set up some tcp wrappers blocking access except from my 10.* network |
| 21:42.21 | ice799 | but there is no /etc/init.d/rpcbind that I can restart. |
| 21:42.27 | ice799 | I've restarted nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server. |
| 21:42.38 | kombucha | it's just eth4 |
| 21:42.57 | kombucha | I didn't set anything up in network/interfaces for the alias, just wanted to test it first from cli |
| 21:42.58 | nsadmin | so you'd define a new interface eth4:0 |
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| 21:43.07 | kombucha | right, :0 |
| 21:43.09 | surfdue | jelly-hme, apache, dovecot, bind, and mysql are using /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 |
| 21:43.20 | surfdue | so i cp'ed the backup .so.1.2.3 back there |
| 21:43.27 | surfdue | but git still works since it was looking for .so.1 |
| 21:43.36 | nsadmin | hmm. if you already knew that, I'm confused about what you want to know |
| 21:43.38 | surfdue | jelly-hme, is that ok or no? |
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| 21:44.58 | jelly-hme | surfdue: if those are all apache packages, they should work with the packaged one. |
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| 21:45.13 | codrus | I did a: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6-686 which re-installed linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.30+21_i386.deb but this did not create an associated modules directory /lib/modules. any other ideas how to get those modules re-installed? |
| 21:45.26 | jelly-hme | surfdue: if they're third party, I'd suggest you keep it that way |
| 21:45.35 | surfdue | lol. |
| 21:45.41 | surfdue | jelly-hme, <3 |
| 21:45.43 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.48 | jelly-hme | surfdue: sorry, s/apache/debian/ |
| 21:46.23 | codrus | nsadmin: it exists, but it didn't create a 2.6.30-2-686 directory in there |
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| 21:47.32 | nsadmin | try you looking at the output of dpkg -L linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:47.54 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.18 | surfdue | apt-get install debian=squeeze |
| 21:48.19 | surfdue | lol |
| 21:48.20 | codrus | nsadmin: none. just creates /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:48.35 | nsadmin | what's it depend on? |
| 21:49.01 | nsadmin | it's probbly a meta-package then |
| 21:49.06 | codrus | it is |
| 21:49.30 | nsadmin | judd test |
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| 21:49.56 | codrus | surfdue: will that really work? |
| 21:49.56 | nsadmin | judd versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:50.28 | nsadmin | still gone?? what's the deal (yes I read the factoid; what's the -real- deal??) |
| 21:50.43 | codrus | nsadmin: i don't have a judd command and don't see a judd package in aptitude |
| 21:50.45 | surfdue | codrus, nope.. :P |
| 21:50.51 | surfdue | codrus, plus squeeze isnt stable |
| 21:50.53 | nsadmin | judd is a bot here |
| 21:51.01 | nsadmin | or more correctly not here |
| 21:51.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: judd is offline .. at this point, permanently |
| 21:51.37 | codrus | surfdue: is there a way to roll back to lenny? |
| 21:51.49 | nsadmin | permanently?? why? |
| 21:52.02 | surfdue | codrus, iunoo |
| 21:52.05 | surfdue | abrotman, wasup |
| 21:52.13 | nsadmin | codrus nope. downgrades not supported |
| 21:52.21 | jelly-hme | abrotman: permanently?! What nefarious use will my vmware guest be used for then? |
| 21:53.19 | codrus | nsadmin: what about a dkpg command that will search all cache packages for the file I want re-installed? |
| 21:53.49 | nsadmin | was judd some kind of victim of the recent gnaa attack, which allowed something useful to them? |
| 21:54.12 | jelly-hme | codrus: linux-image-2.6-686 is just a metapackage to bring in the real latest 2.6 kernel package |
| 21:54.33 | jelly-hme | codrus: you want to reinstall something like linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 21:55.14 | nsadmin | codrus: which is why I asked what does the metapackage depend on |
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| 21:56.07 | codrus | i'm not running the new kernel atm because i cannot get the internet working with it. so i cannot do that command |
| 21:56.18 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Does anybody know any lightweight typesetting system, like lout or troff? |
| 21:56.30 | jelly-hme | codrus: what _are_ you running? |
| 21:56.36 | AimHere | lout? troff? |
| 21:56.40 | codrus | uname -r |
| 21:56.50 | codrus | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 21:56.58 | nsadmin | why do you want this new kernel given it doesn't work atm? |
| 21:57.01 | codrus | the kernel i was using in lenny |
| 21:57.16 | jelly-hme | codrus: and which one do you want exactly? |
| 21:57.28 | nsadmin | (and why) |
| 21:57.43 | ilembitov | AimHere: troff is pretty obscure (I mean, the syntax). Lout is nice, but I can't get Russian to work there |
| 21:57.48 | AimHere | LaTeX is perhaps not as lightweight as troff, but any computer that runs a current debian will run it |
| 21:58.01 | codrus | i did a full upgrade to squeeze. but i wasn't using a meta-package kernel before so my kernel is still the lenny one and is instable with squeeze |
| 21:58.29 | nsadmin | why do you want to upgrade the kernel? |
| 21:58.31 | jelly-hme | codrus: and 2.6.32-trunk-686 isn't working for you? |
| 21:58.31 | AimHere | There are gui front ends for it, like lyx, if you don't fancy learning more obscure syntax |
| 21:58.55 | codrus | nsadmin: because X keeps randomly crashing now |
| 21:59.14 | ilembitov | AimHere: Yeah, I know. I just want something tinier and simpler (I mean, not as comprehensive) - since I won't be typesetting books. Matter of taste, actually |
| 21:59.24 | nsadmin | and you've ran the new kernel and the crashes go away? |
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| 22:00.01 | codrus | nsadmin: yes, it's stable with the meta-package kernel. the 2.6.30 one |
| 22:00.20 | nsadmin | ok, that's definitely a good reason |
| 22:00.32 | nsadmin | altho... it might be nice to know why it's crashing |
| 22:01.22 | codrus | jelly-hme: i don't understand your question. someone told me to install the meta-package kernel to fix the instability issues |
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| 22:03.27 | nsadmin | codrus he's asking if you've tried that kernel, and whether it worked |
| 22:03.32 | jelly-hme | codrus: and it brought a real kernel package with it. Pastebin the output of dpkg -l linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 22:04.24 | codrus | nsadmin: after a random time the screen goes blank (no graphics card, just running off intel chipset). i can ctrl-alt-f1 and log in another console, but i haven't found a way to kill or restart X w/o a full reboot working. ctrl-alt-del doesn't quit X |
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| 22:05.09 | codrus | jelly-hme: ii linux-image-2. 2.6.30+21 Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 22:05.17 | nsadmin | ctrl-alt-backspace does |
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| 22:05.25 | codrus | sorry, meant backspace |
| 22:06.17 | codrus | nsadmin: do you still want the meta-package deps? |
| 22:06.20 | jelly-hme | codrus: oh crap, make that dpkg -s |
| 22:06.53 | jelly-hme | codrus: or just the Depends: line |
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| 22:07.08 | nsadmin | and don't paste the output of dpkg -s... it's long long long |
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| 22:07.32 | jelly-hme | who said paste? |
| 22:08.28 | codrus | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.com/d55d11438 |
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| 22:09.43 | nsadmin | why are people avoiding my specific questions about judd? that bot was damn useful, to the point we're somewhat crippled without it |
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| 22:11.34 | nsadmin | codrus coudl you pastebin dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
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| 22:11.51 | codrus | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d55d11438 |
| 22:11.53 | abrotman | jelly-hme: yes, but until that's done .. it's permanent :) |
| 22:12.00 | nsadmin | that's not it |
| 22:12.04 | codrus | oh |
| 22:12.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: the machine it was hosted on is no longer available |
| 22:12.16 | nsadmin | oh, ok, I see |
| 22:13.02 | codrus | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d67c00918 |
| 22:13.25 | abrotman | nsadmin: i believe the machine was reconfigured or something .. there are plans to bring the bot back, not sure how solid or the timeline |
| 22:13.48 | nsadmin | ok, cool... |
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| 22:14.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you'd like to volunteer your server ... let's hear about it :) |
| 22:14.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: no need for that |
| 22:14.18 | nsadmin | codrus ok, could you also pastebin... dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 22:14.27 | petemc | i offered to host judd a while back, the offer is still open |
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| 22:15.00 | nsadmin | awesome.. who does petemc talk to about his offer? |
| 22:15.12 | nsadmin | who was runnign that bot? |
| 22:15.14 | petemc | i would guess stew or themill |
| 22:15.46 | nsadmin | hmm, ok, so I take it you've made that offer directly to both of them already |
| 22:16.14 | petemc | no, i spoke to stew when he was initially setting the bot up |
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| 22:16.46 | karlpinc | I'm looking for a lightweight desktop (whatever that is), with nothing but icons to click on. It's for a child. Any recommendations? |
| 22:16.49 | nsadmin | how can I encourage you to remake the offer to them directly :) |
| 22:17.02 | jelly-home | er, themill already has an account and all the packages and permissions on a vm here, y'all are too slow |
| 22:17.13 | jelly-home | so :-P |
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| 22:17.17 | ricdanger | hi there |
| 22:17.24 | ricdanger | I'm having some trouble with preseed |
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| 22:18.17 | nsadmin | jelly-home: well, I say it's exactly the right speed, and I'll justify that position by stating: the bot isn't here yet |
| 22:18.40 | nsadmin | and, thanks for doing that |
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| 22:18.42 | codrus | nsadmin: lots of output there. taking me a while to cut-n-paste |
| 22:18.52 | jelly-home | nsadmin: right, but the ball is in the bot owner's yard, not the hoster |
| 22:19.10 | nsadmin | yep, understood... they probably are short on time |
| 22:19.13 | ricdanger | I can't get the keymap right... every time I get a en-US layout |
| 22:19.49 | nsadmin | so the next thing to do is talk to bot owners |
| 22:20.33 | petemc | im sure it will be sorted in good time |
| 22:20.40 | codrus | nsadmin: it has the drivers anyway |
| 22:21.04 | nsadmin | codrus perhaps you could try reinstalling that package |
| 22:22.13 | nsadmin | linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 22:22.42 | nsadmin | that would be the one that actually has the meat |
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| 22:23.47 | Shazbotmcnasty | hey, every distro I've used, except ubuntu and mint have had a Xorg problem, saying 'no screens found' |
| 22:23.55 | Shazbotmcnasty | I don't know how to fix this.. |
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| 22:24.10 | nsadmin | Shazbotmcnasty that's a config issue |
| 22:24.14 | Shazbotmcnasty | I believe I would just need a video driver.. |
| 22:24.20 | Shazbotmcnasty | oh... |
| 22:24.25 | nsadmin | usually it's simple to fix |
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| 22:24.45 | nsadmin | driver? what card do you have and which driver do you think it is? |
| 22:24.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: i realize that, but more offers is betterer! |
| 22:25.32 | Shazbotmcnasty | the card is - nVidia GeForce 7050, I don't know what the driver is... |
| 22:25.34 | jelly-home | going to powercycle that vm aat random times just to make things interesting |
| 22:26.26 | nsadmin | could you show the line that describes that card, that comes from lspci -nn |
| 22:27.07 | nsadmin | you'll need nv or nvidia depending on if you want 3d or yo're ok without |
| 22:27.57 | codrus | nsadmin: how can i re-install it w/o messing up the meta-package? |
| 22:28.00 | PerfDave | s/3d/freedom/ ;p |
| 22:28.01 | nsadmin | debian doesnm't want to distribute nvidia |
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| 22:29.11 | nsadmin | codrus aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 22:29.16 | jelly-home | codrus: don't reinstall stuff, just aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 22:29.18 | nsadmin | I think that;'s the right syntax |
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| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | reinstall tries to use the exact same package version, which might not be available |
| 22:29.54 | Shazbotmcnasty | nsadmin: okay I do lspci -nn one sec |
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| 22:30.26 | nsadmin | jelly-home so aptitude will do what used to be called a reinstall if it figures out it's already installed? |
| 22:30.40 | codrus | jelly-home: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove |
| 22:30.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: apparently not! |
| 22:31.10 | Shazbotmcnasty | nsadmin: what would the line start with? There is a whole bunch of lines that comes from that command |
| 22:31.16 | nsadmin | Shazbotmcnasty will only need the one line out of that... alternatively pastebin the whole thing |
| 22:31.30 | nsadmin | look in there to see if you recognize your card |
| 22:31.33 | jelly-home | codrus: I'd use linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 instead |
| 22:31.50 | codrus | jelly-home: is that the name of a meta package? |
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| 22:32.03 | jelly-home | codrus: no, that's a name of a real package |
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| 22:32.20 | codrus | jelly-home: so then i'd have to manually upgrade it? |
| 22:32.26 | codrus | jelly-home: in the future i mean |
| 22:32.35 | codrus | jelly-home: aptitude wouldn't automatically do it |
| 22:32.42 | Shazbotmcnasty | nsadmin: well I'm kinda in irssi on tty2 .... |
| 22:33.08 | jelly-home | codrus: if you have linux-image-2.6-686, it will always try to bring in the latest, whatever that might be |
| 22:33.11 | nsadmin | so do you see the line describing the card? |
| 22:34.03 | nsadmin | what's the nc way of pastebin? |
| 22:34.08 | jelly-home | codrus: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6-686 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:34.18 | Shazbotmcnasty | nsadmin: it says 'nVidia Corporation C73 [GeForce 7100/ nForce 620i]' |
| 22:34.25 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 22:34.25 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 22:35.52 | nsadmin | oh ok there it is |
| 22:36.34 | nsadmin | Shazbotmcnasty: lspci -nn | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 22:36.51 | nsadmin | tries somethign |
| 22:36.56 | codrus | jelly-home: sorry i'm a little confused still. i thought the meta package let aptitude keep the kernel up to date. if i install the trunk one, what does that do? |
| 22:37.49 | nsadmin | you should get one line, a url, from that |
| 22:37.55 | nsadmin | pls show us |
| 22:37.59 | codrus | nsadmin, jelly-home thanks, the modules were installed! |
| 22:38.05 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone know if i can get an ati FirePro V5700 with three monitors simultaniously? |
| 22:38.22 | jelly-home | codrus: it does nothing wrt the metapackage |
| 22:38.26 | nsadmin | codrus cool, things are working properly? |
| 22:38.27 | Shazbotmcnasty | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/57946/ |
| 22:39.48 | nsadmin | so it's line 24 |
| 22:39.58 | codrus | nsadmin: heh, i wish. that gets me back to where i started. now to begin again trying to get both my usb serial modem and my wireless to work with it |
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| 22:40.37 | Shazbotmcnasty | that's the info I gave you... |
| 22:40.39 | chomwitt | how can i delete a /proc dir with 'deamon' owner ? |
| 22:40.39 | Shazbotmcnasty | okay |
| 22:40.48 | Shazbotmcnasty | sooo...... |
| 22:40.55 | Shazbotmcnasty | any idea how I fix this? |
| 22:41.26 | jelly-home | chomwitt: what dir exactly? |
| 22:41.39 | codrus | jelly-home, nsadmin thanks very much for your guy's help |
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| 22:42.09 | Shazbotmcnasty | btw nsadmin I'm on live disk |
| 22:42.10 | nsadmin | any way to get a laptop to be both a web server and a wireless access point which lets other clients connect wirelessly and uses dns server running on the laptop? |
| 22:42.47 | nsadmin | oh, so the live disk has X working? |
| 22:42.53 | kothog | is there a way to find what virtual packages provide a particular library? For example, if I were looking for the list of all virtual packages (or just plain packages) that, when installed, would also install libsm6, is there a command that could do that? |
| 22:43.05 | Shazbotmcnasty | nsadmin: no, Xorg is not working |
| 22:43.12 | Shazbotmcnasty | i'm trying to boot a debian live disk |
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| 22:43.45 | nsadmin | so you're just seeing text-only, white on black? |
| 22:43.53 | chomwitt | jelly-home: is a /squeeze/proc/1507 dir that must been created either with debootstrap or with a mount dev sth cmb i executed . |
| 22:43.57 | Shazbotmcnasty | yeah |
| 22:44.00 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Although you can install new software on a live disk (or customize your own.) |
| 22:44.03 | Shazbotmcnasty | well in irssi there is green |
| 22:44.04 | Shazbotmcnasty | lol |
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| 22:44.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:44.30 | jelly-home | chomwitt: when process 1507 dies, the directory will disappear, so, to delete it, you can kill -9 1507 :-D |
| 22:45.02 | codrus | jelly-home: can you just tell me really quick what the 'trunk' part in there is trying to represent? |
| 22:45.23 | jelly-home | chomwitt: nothing under /proc is real, just representation of some kernel internals |
| 22:45.57 | jelly-home | codrus: /msg dpkg kernel abi |
| 22:45.57 | bolt | how can I get a reference count of a file that has several hard links made to it? and is there a way to find them all? |
| 22:46.13 | bolt | (ext3) |
| 22:46.46 | karlpinc | bolt: Use the ls command, it's in "ls -l". |
| 22:47.54 | jelly-home | bolt: find /mountpoint -inum <inode number here> |
| 22:48.13 | jelly-home | bolt: ls -i or stat reveals the inode number |
| 22:48.49 | bolt | yay! thanks :D |
| 22:48.51 | chomwitt | jelly-home: thanks. i must run a 'mount proc /squeeze/proc -t proc' command and umount doesnt work now |
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| 22:50.48 | jelly-home | chomwitt: you have to chdir away from it to umount it |
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| 22:53.00 | Shazbotmcnasty | :< |
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| 22:53.29 | chomwitt | jelly-home: thanks!! |
| 22:53.40 | teliparas | is there any to tool to monitor connected client's IPs, Mac Adress, Essid, Bssid ??? |
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| 22:54.13 | jelly-home | chomwitt: happens to everyone! |
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| 22:54.34 | nsadmin | Shazbotmcnasty I have to leave.... but we figured out exactly what your card is and that makes it easy for anyone here to help you get the right driver |
| 22:54.49 | Shazbotmcnasty | ahhh crud |
| 22:54.55 | nsadmin | btw, including you |
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| 22:55.07 | Shazbotmcnasty | I don't know how.... |
| 22:55.11 | jelly-home | chomwitt: lsof -n |grep /mount/point may also help to figure out what processes are still using a mountpoint |
| 22:55.13 | Shazbotmcnasty | I'm kinda stuck in terminal |
| 22:55.29 | Shazbotmcnasty | I guess I can leave terminal, figure out the fix and come back |
| 22:55.31 | Shazbotmcnasty | ehh |
| 22:55.32 | Shazbotmcnasty | yeah |
| 22:55.34 | nsadmin | so they'll help. I've gone as far as I have time for |
| 22:55.41 | Shazbotmcnasty | it's cool |
| 22:55.42 | Shazbotmcnasty | thanks |
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| 22:57.47 | LobbyZ | Hm |
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| 22:59.36 | LobbyZ | What could be causing debian to limit connections so to say? I use ZNC and Debian isnt accepting any traffic from a port. It just timeouts the connection and i've tried everything including rebooting the VPS and ZNC several times |
| 22:59.36 | LobbyZ | I've asked the ZNC peeps and they've got no clue |
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| 23:00.14 | chomwitt | jelly-home: cool!! |
| 23:00.25 | nsadmin | try connecting yourself from outside and see what message you get |
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| 23:01.05 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, well i am on the machine right now |
| 23:01.06 | LobbyZ | it works for some people |
| 23:01.09 | LobbyZ | but timeouts for the rest |
| 23:01.47 | rgr | ho hum. squeeze update has hosed my main dev machine as well as my laptop yesterday. At least laptop is back working now. Rather a lot of X updates seem to be the issue. |
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| 23:02.45 | nsadmin | have "the rest" do traceroutes to you |
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| 23:07.40 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, does it matter if the VPS gave me a warning that the max open files is lower then the max sockets or something like that? |
| 23:08.29 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, yeah peoples tracert timed out |
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| 23:10.19 | nsadmin | LobbyZ so perhaps they can't get to your machine at all? |
| 23:10.44 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, well they could before i rebooted the VPS |
| 23:11.10 | nsadmin | what else did you do besides reboot? |
| 23:11.28 | LobbyZ | Changed the hostname |
| 23:11.54 | nsadmin | and that's it? nothing was upgraded or changed other than that? |
| 23:12.02 | LobbyZ | Nope |
| 23:12.08 | LobbyZ | I had problems with sendmail |
| 23:12.20 | LobbyZ | so i decided a reboot would maybe fix it |
| 23:12.24 | nsadmin | sendmail?!\ |
| 23:12.36 | LobbyZ | ergh |
| 23:12.36 | LobbyZ | yes |
| 23:12.49 | LobbyZ | it broke due to me changing the hostname |
| 23:12.49 | LobbyZ | so i changed it back |
| 23:12.49 | LobbyZ | and rebooted |
| 23:12.51 | LobbyZ | and this happened |
| 23:13.19 | nsadmin | were people connected at the time you rebooted? |
| 23:13.33 | rgr | unfortunately the dual head detection has stopped working . |
| 23:13.41 | nsadmin | make sure they can ping you |
| 23:13.49 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, yes they were |
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| 23:14.11 | LobbyZ | they're able to ping the datacentre |
| 23:14.11 | LobbyZ | but not the machine |
| 23:14.11 | LobbyZ | it times out htne |
| 23:14.12 | LobbyZ | then* |
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| 23:14.13 | nsadmin | maybe see if one of those could reboot and try again |
| 23:14.40 | nsadmin | they can't ping the machine? make sure the dns resolves to the correct ip |
| 23:14.40 | ShazbotMcNasty | Hey - I googled, and www.x.org said that I should try 'X -configure' or 'xorgcfg' |
| 23:14.43 | ShazbotMcNasty | BUT |
| 23:14.45 | ShazbotMcNasty | And I did |
| 23:14.47 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, it does |
| 23:14.52 | ShazbotMcNasty | I can't because I'm not root |
| 23:14.54 | LobbyZ | but it times out |
| 23:15.03 | ShazbotMcNasty | and I can't sudo because I'm not in the 'sudoers group' |
| 23:15.07 | ShazbotMcNasty | How do I do this? |
| 23:15.08 | ShazbotMcNasty | anyone? |
| 23:15.35 | LobbyZ | The real problem i guess is that the connections from the machine does not reach its destination |
| 23:16.13 | nsadmin | have the people who tracerouted you let you see the output of the traceroute and see where it's dying |
| 23:16.38 | nsadmin | anyway, out of time... |
| 23:16.47 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, i got some pictures if you want them |
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| 23:17.01 | nsadmin | of jessica alba?! |
| 23:17.26 | LobbyZ | http://pastebin.com/medf6004 and http://ft.fckitupload.com/qCvq/62743069.png |
| 23:17.34 | nsadmin | no, even tho she's cute, I'm still out of time... |
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| 23:18.24 | nsadmin | maybe there's someone who's been following the conversation |
| 23:18.35 | LobbyZ | what? |
| 23:18.39 | ShazbotMcNasty | Hi, I need to be root to run a command that SHOULD help me use X |
| 23:18.43 | ShazbotMcNasty | but I don't know how |
| 23:18.51 | jelly-home | ShazbotMcNasty: "su -", |
| 23:18.57 | ShazbotMcNasty | other than sudo, but it says I'm not in the sudoers group |
| 23:19.09 | LobbyZ | nsadmin |
| 23:19.21 | LobbyZ | it seems the hostname is what causing this |
| 23:19.21 | LobbyZ | i tried telnettting from the machine |
| 23:19.23 | ShazbotMcNasty | jelly-home: I know the password, but it says 'authentication failure' |
| 23:19.24 | LobbyZ | it stops at hostname |
| 23:19.35 | jelly-home | ShazbotMcNasty: root's password, not yours |
| 23:19.40 | ShazbotMcNasty | OhHHH |
| 23:19.44 | ShazbotMcNasty | lol |
| 23:19.51 | nsadmin | so your machine is doing selective blocking |
| 23:19.52 | ShazbotMcNasty | sorry, thanks |
| 23:19.57 | nsadmin | find out why |
| 23:20.12 | LobbyZ | nsadmin, i'm asking the hoster to reset the hostname |
| 23:20.15 | jelly-home | np. sudo wants your user password. su wants the target user's |
| 23:20.26 | LobbyZ | again, it all happened when i changed the hostname |
| 23:20.54 | nsadmin | have them reboot... sorry, I'm -really- out of time |
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| 23:21.15 | nsadmin | see if that helps |
| 23:21.19 | ShazbotMcNasty | also - www.x.org said I should do xorgcfg, but I can't because it says 'command not found' |
| 23:21.33 | nsadmin | but first find out if this blockage is something your host is doing |
| 23:21.36 | ShazbotMcNasty | xorgcfg is supposed to be 'shipped' with xorg |
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| 23:21.47 | ShazbotMcNasty | nsadmin: DUDE YOU'RE OUT OF TIME |
| 23:22.03 | ShazbotMcNasty | lol |
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| 23:25.10 | ShazbotMcNasty | oh damnit |
| 23:25.15 | ShazbotMcNasty | >_< |
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| 23:31.07 | ShazbotMcNasty | whatever, I'm installing crunchbang |
| 23:31.10 | ShazbotMcNasty | lol this is annoying. |
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| 23:31.49 | LobbyZ | hmm |
| 23:31.54 | LobbyZ | How do i fix a bad hostname? |
| 23:32.37 | becker_11 | I want to submit a request to debian to add a program to their repo' |
| 23:32.43 | becker_11 | how do I do that? |
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| 23:36.33 | themill | becker_11: /msg dpkg rfp |
| 23:37.39 | JyZyXEL | i wonder what happends if you do a mkfs.ext3 to a already mounted ext3 device |
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| 23:38.14 | bolt | JyZyXEL: it tells you the volume is busy, i think |
| 23:38.32 | bolt | JyZyXEL: don't hold me to that though |
| 23:38.32 | JyZyXEL | are you sure? |
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| 23:38.52 | JyZyXEL | im thinking its a great recipe for disaster |
| 23:38.57 | bolt | JyZyXEL: just try it on a loopback device or something :) |
| 23:39.06 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking of trying it yes |
| 23:39.16 | becker_11 | themill thanks |
| 23:39.28 | JyZyXEL | im thinking its gonna do some great damage |
| 23:39.37 | bolt | but i distinctly recall doing it by mistake some time ago |
| 23:39.40 | bolt | hm.. |
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| 23:42.28 | marsje | how can I force a fsck on reboot for a particular partition (not all)? |
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| 23:44.15 | PerfDave | marsje: For ext2/3 you can use tune2fs with -C set to a large value |
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| 23:45.37 | marsje | PerfDave: ah, thanks.. will try it |
| 23:45.48 | krimou16 | hi, i have a partition of 28go full, and theres no reason for that, it bloks the starting of xserver |
| 23:47.38 | abrotman | krimou16: put the output of "uname -a;df -h" in a pastebin |
| 23:48.09 | JyZyXEL | lol it sure is a fast way to delete everything |
| 23:48.15 | marsje | PerfDave: I got a ext3 kernel error in my kern.log that talks about "device dm-1", do you know what it refers to exactly? |
| 23:48.34 | PerfDave | marsje: I have no idea |
| 23:49.12 | marsje | PerfDave: I thought it would refer to /dev/md0, but actually now I have doubts about it |
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| 23:50.55 | krimou16 | abrotman: it's in the home 100% |
| 23:52.57 | rgr | so how does one go about configurng multi head setup with the xorg-less set up? I cant do with the nvidia settings it says as the xorg.conf is not valid. |
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| 23:53.13 | yq | Does the Debian minimal installer come with ext4 support? |
| 23:54.07 | adb | yq, try testing |
| 23:56.42 | abrotman | krimou16: so it's your stuff .. clean it up |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | yq: lenny does not |
| 23:57.23 | yq | Ok ;[ |
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