| 00:00.10 | bzed | Trox: if you ask this question, use stable. |
| 00:00.13 | Trox | babilen : 686 |
| 00:00.30 | babilen | backport the fixed packages into testing. Josselin might disagree though |
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| 00:00.43 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know why firefox would tend to get stuck in a short tight audio loop when playing a flash video, until it's killed and restarted? |
| 00:00.47 | vchrizz | trox: i experienced similar problems, i changed to stable today ;) |
| 00:01.00 | Trox | bzed : why would i use stable for just asking this question ? |
| 00:01.26 | Trox | vchrizz : i would but i has some problems with the intel driver and X11 |
| 00:01.27 | bzed | Trox: you obviously don't know how testing/unstable works |
| 00:01.56 | Trox | bzed : they are tested on the unstable release first |
| 00:02.09 | Trox | then after a few weeks sent to testing |
| 00:02.14 | dotCOMmie | I just ran aptitude upgrade and iceweasel 3.5.6 stops responding after going to a few pages. |
| 00:02.15 | Trox | that correct? |
| 00:02.34 | dotCOMmie | I moved my ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla~ and its behaving a lot better |
| 00:02.44 | Trox | dotCOMmie : iceweasel has some deps problem yesterday here |
| 00:02.59 | Trox | along with apiphony |
| 00:03.00 | dotCOMmie | Any idea on how to figure out what in profile is causing issues? |
| 00:03.12 | dotCOMmie | Trox: as in it wouldn't install? |
| 00:03.25 | babilen | dotCOMmie: Try add-ons first .. |
| 00:03.29 | Trox | dotCOMmie : wouldnt run. |
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| 00:03.39 | Trox | dependence problem. |
| 00:03.50 | dotCOMmie | babilen: I started disabling the but it crashed |
| 00:03.54 | dotCOMmie | I'll try again |
| 00:04.18 | dotCOMmie | Trox: My testing/unstable system has been bitching about ESD and alsa lately |
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| 00:04.38 | Trox | nothing like that here dotCOMmie |
| 00:04.48 | dotCOMmie | oops |
| 00:05.02 | dotCOMmie | just overwrote my original mozilla profile |
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| 00:05.17 | Trox | :D |
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| 00:05.36 | Trox | bzed : you can correct me if im wrong. :) |
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| 00:05.49 | dotCOMmie | .. I'll have to pull it off my backup server I guess |
| 00:08.47 | dotCOMmie | btw is there a more appropriate channel for iceweasel related issues. I'm afraid I'm gonna piss firefox people if I say I run iceweasel |
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| 00:08.47 | bzed | Trox: basically you're right, but its much more complicated |
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| 00:11.36 | JPT | hey, i'm trying to copy some data with dd. one hdd has some errors that cause dd to stop. is there an option switch for dd that forces dd to ignore errors? |
| 00:12.22 | stew | JPT: use ddrescue instead |
| 00:12.23 | idimmu | if there is, what value would you like the failed bytes to take |
| 00:12.31 | idimmu | 1s or 0s ? |
| 00:12.36 | JPT | okay :) |
| 00:12.59 | Trox | you seem like a bright guy bzed, how about a more comprehensive answer on the subject. :P |
| 00:13.19 | iceroot | JPT: man dd noerror |
| 00:13.56 | dotCOMmie | the noerror is not perfect you probably want to use some wrapper script or maybe tryout ddrescue as stew suggested |
| 00:14.01 | babilen | Trox: Read section 5.13 In the developer reference |
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| 00:15.04 | teratoma | how can i boot a macbook pro with debian on a usb stick? |
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| 00:15.34 | GimpMachine | question: how can i find out how much ram i have on a debian machine? |
| 00:15.48 | dvs | GimpMachine: free |
| 00:15.50 | LightKnight | free |
| 00:15.56 | LightKnight | or cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 00:16.35 | GimpMachine | 643684 |
| 00:16.50 | GimpMachine | thats a 512 and a 128, right? |
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| 00:16.57 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: installing from USB is covered in manual. You might want to follow a howto when it comes to specific apple hardware |
| 00:17.11 | JPT | thanks :) |
| 00:17.13 | LightKnight | GimpMachine: should be |
| 00:17.24 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 00:17.24 | osx5 | yo scott you here? |
| 00:17.29 | teratoma | dotCOMmie: I can't find a howto to do that does not involve using a boot cd |
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| 00:17.35 | GimpMachine | the damn ram doesnt have any labels |
| 00:17.39 | babilen | osx5: ask the channel |
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| 00:17.44 | nsadmin | dam ram |
| 00:17.46 | GimpMachine | ok, thats what i needed, much thanks and many loves |
| 00:17.59 | LightKnight | welcome :) |
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| 00:18.06 | babilen | teratoma: have a look at the link dotCOMmie just gave you. It explains the procedure. |
| 00:18.10 | yakamo_ | anyone recommend a good prog for viewing my 1,000's of photos |
| 00:18.16 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: do you have osx running? you probably can do dd on it |
| 00:18.34 | osx5 | babilen: I downloaded the debian dvd iso, does it give you the option to use whatever desktop environment you want? |
| 00:18.39 | babilen | dotCOMmie: you mean debootstrap? |
| 00:18.40 | nsadmin | yakamo_: post them all to photo.net and organize them? |
| 00:18.46 | rgr | yakamo_: picassa |
| 00:18.53 | yakamo_ | yeah i like picasa |
| 00:19.03 | yakamo_ | is that available on debian |
| 00:19.04 | teratoma | babilen: i have read it. are you aware of anyone on Planet Earch who is able to boot a macbook pro from a usb stick with debian installed on it, without resorting to using a boot cd trick? i cannot. everyone tells me to read the usb stick install howto, that's not the problem |
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| 00:19.20 | rgr | its available for linux yes. google. |
| 00:19.28 | nsadmin | yakamo_: actually both questions have searchable answers |
| 00:19.32 | yakamo_ | ah ok |
| 00:19.39 | yakamo_ | cheers guys im away to have a look |
| 00:19.41 | yakamo_ | :) |
| 00:19.44 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: does the apple boot of USB? Most likely yes, so you should not have any issues. |
| 00:19.50 | rgr | all questions have searchable answers. |
| 00:20.13 | nsadmin | then what is this channel doing here? |
| 00:20.15 | nsadmin | :P |
| 00:20.16 | babilen | teratoma: What do you mean with 'Debian installed on it' ? Have you followed the procedure outlined in the manual? |
| 00:20.25 | nvz | anyone have suggestions on how I might preamp all sounds on my machine? I got a netbook and the sound is crap even when playing through the jack. I'd just like to boost the db of the sound a little see if that will make it any louder.. |
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| 00:20.49 | dotCOMmie | nvz: get a usb sound card |
| 00:20.57 | rgr | human contact. he asked an opinion for a phot app for linux/debian and got an answer. thats harder to google as I could have explained why ;) Anyway ... |
| 00:20.57 | nvz | programs like xmms for example have a preamp on the EQ |
| 00:21.04 | babilen | yakamo_: Some people also like f-spot ... If you are looking for one of those massive Photo Managers .. |
| 00:21.15 | teratoma | dotCOMmie / babilen : i have. can either of you find evidence of anyone ever in history booting a recent macbook pro with just a usb stick with debian installed? I am not talking about an external firewire drive? i don't think it works |
| 00:21.27 | rgr | f-spot isnt't a touch on picassa IMO. |
| 00:21.28 | nvz | dotCOMmie: yeah or I can go out and but a $2000 laptop and a brand new sound system.. lol |
| 00:21.31 | yakamo_ | yeah unfortuantly i am, means i have to come out of command prompt |
| 00:21.39 | yakamo_ | but i love photography |
| 00:21.50 | osx5 | nvz: are you scott? |
| 00:21.53 | nvz | or someone could just suggest a way to increase the db of the sounds going to my sound ard.. |
| 00:21.56 | dotCOMmie | nvz: mplayer can bost sound through soft mixer |
| 00:21.59 | nsadmin | yakamo_: you love photography? then photo.net is worth a look |
| 00:22.01 | nvz | osx5: who wants to know? |
| 00:22.04 | nvz | :-P |
| 00:22.07 | osx5 | you know kovac? |
| 00:22.07 | babilen | teratoma: So the problem is that the macbook can not boot from the USB stick? What is the issue if you try to do so? |
| 00:22.12 | nvz | osx5: yes sir |
| 00:22.20 | nvz | osx5: why do you ask? |
| 00:22.23 | osx5 | nvz: I met you at Matt's house with him over the summer |
| 00:22.25 | nsadmin | even if you never post a photograph there |
| 00:22.26 | osx5 | you showed me your netbook |
| 00:22.26 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: can the macbook not boot of USB? I find that hard to believe |
| 00:22.31 | nvz | osx5: oh, right.. I remember you |
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| 00:22.43 | nvz | osx5: you a debian user now? |
| 00:22.44 | osx5 | finally got deb |
| 00:22.45 | osx5 | ya |
| 00:22.46 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: hold on one sec I might know someone |
| 00:22.52 | nvz | osx5: hah, cool. |
| 00:23.04 | osx5 | can I message you? |
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| 00:23.12 | yakamo_ | nsadmin:i will look at that as well, cheers |
| 00:23.33 | nvz | dotCOMmie: a lot of apps can, but I'm mainly concerned with flash.. so thats why I'm asking if there is a way to do it for ALL sounds |
| 00:23.37 | nvz | osx5: sure |
| 00:23.40 | babilen | photo.net ++ |
| 00:23.42 | teratoma | dotCOMmie: i cant get it to work. i have booted many non mac machines with usb sticks with debian installed. |
| 00:24.10 | nvz | its not that bad through headphones, but I don't wanna be wired to it all the time |
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| 00:24.15 | babilen | teratoma: Why don't you use a CD then? |
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| 00:24.26 | dotCOMmie | nvz: maybe if you use pulse or something? |
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| 00:24.42 | hexicone | babilen: installation on my Toshiba worked like a charm, thanks! |
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| 00:25.12 | babilen | hexicone: great! enjoy the experience. Make sure you take a look at the reference. |
| 00:25.12 | nvz | dotCOMmie: I think I am using pulse. was using it to send sound from my desktop |
| 00:25.21 | nvz | dotCOMmie: I'll look and see if it has an option for that |
| 00:25.25 | teratoma | babilen: a long horrible story full of First World problems. I have a laptop ( typing from it right now) with no cd rom drive. Im trying to get ubuntu onto a macbook pro. the macbook pro is password protected, so i can't use it to burn a cd of ubuntu |
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| 00:25.57 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-419427.html |
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| 00:26.39 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: yeah it seems silly |
| 00:26.48 | teratoma | dotCOMmie: cool. ive read that before. that guy is booting off of a cd first. |
| 00:27.01 | babilen | teratoma: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en#id3124490 |
| 00:27.22 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: the second guy says he was able to do it |
| 00:28.10 | teratoma | dotCOMmie: i think he is using the fact that a mac will boot from an external firewire drive. for some reason usb sticks dont count. |
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| 00:29.12 | dotCOMmie | "from an external USB drive plugged into " |
| 00:29.20 | dotCOMmie | He could be lying d: |
| 00:29.44 | teratoma | yes. a usb 2.0 hard drive. he's not using a 4 gig usb stick i got from Walgreens |
| 00:30.37 | teratoma | i guess Steve must have decided booting a mac from a usb stick means you are up to no good |
| 00:30.44 | dotCOMmie | what diff does it make? |
| 00:30.55 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: some other site says you need to use GPT |
| 00:31.15 | dotCOMmie | Anyway it seems silly that I am doing the googling for you |
| 00:31.47 | teratoma | i have googled about it! i think booting a mac with a debian usb stick is a myth. |
| 00:32.08 | dotCOMmie | Stop trolling |
| 00:32.12 | teratoma | also isnt it interesting only 2 people on entire internet have sort of kind of claimed they have done it. no howtos |
| 00:32.16 | teratoma | im not trolling |
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| 00:32.24 | teratoma | not that bored |
| 00:33.11 | dotCOMmie | Have you tried using gpt? |
| 00:33.21 | jorik | teratoma: mac boot from usb drives |
| 00:33.24 | jorik | +s |
| 00:33.31 | Trox | lol |
| 00:33.35 | Trox | "The advantage of using the unstable distribution is that you are always up-to-date with the latest in GNU/Linux software industry, but if it breaks: you get to keep both parts :-) " |
| 00:34.10 | teratoma | jorik: but not USB sticks ! |
| 00:34.20 | teratoma | dotCOMmie: no. trying. |
| 00:35.04 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: usb stick and usb harddrive is the same thing as far as your computer is concerned. |
| 00:35.06 | jorik | teratoma: yes they do. just use disk utility to format it with guid and then use disk util to "stream" an iso (any iso) to it |
| 00:35.23 | jorik | can be osx, or any linux |
| 00:36.55 | teratoma | this guy is running into the same problem as me. i can use my usb stick install to boot non mac devices. just not a mac. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=840287 |
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| 00:38.36 | dotCOMmie | teratoma: maybe it does not like the partition/boot loader on the disk and needs something special |
| 00:39.32 | babilen | teratoma: Can you boot from PXE? Why is the debootstrap method not applicable? |
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| 00:40.01 | jorik | teratoma: did you set GUID as scheme? please read why @ http://i.imgur.com/TmziY.png |
| 00:40.07 | babilen | teratoma: And you are trying to install Ubuntu? |
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| 00:40.45 | teratoma | babilen: oops you caught me. in here i claim to install debian. in #ubuntu i claim to install ubuntu. either one is fine with me! |
| 00:41.00 | Trox | simple question, |
| 00:41.16 | Trox | if i want to upgrade everyday my debian squeeze installation |
| 00:41.37 | Trox | would i use upgrade or full-upgrade ? |
| 00:41.51 | dotCOMmie | Trox: for cronjob? |
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| 00:42.18 | babilen | teratoma: So: Can you boot from PXE? Why is the debootstrap method not applicable? and ultimately: Decide if you want to install Debian *or* Ubuntu *now* |
| 00:42.33 | Trox | dotCOMmie : no manually |
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| 00:43.31 | Trox | because i always use full-upgrade between every few weeks |
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| 00:43.46 | babilen | Trox: 'aptitude update' 'aptitude safe-upgrade' 'aptitude full-upgrade' also make sure that you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed |
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| 00:44.07 | teratoma | babilen: im running Windows. I would like to install ubuntu onto a macbook. i have no cdrom or dvd drives. ill install debian, thats fine. |
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| 00:44.52 | dotCOMmie | is full upgrade the new term for dist-upgrade? |
| 00:44.59 | babilen | teratoma: Yes, so can you boot from PXE (network boot) and did you have a look at the debootstrap link i gave you earlier? |
| 00:45.00 | teratoma | looks like only 64 bit windows supports GPT |
| 00:45.00 | dvs | yes |
| 00:45.27 | dotCOMmie | Trox: you probably want to stick to safe-upgrade unless you are stuck with nasty dependency |
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| 00:48.14 | dotCOMmie | Trox: certainly full-upgrade is not best for routine updating |
| 00:49.08 | FIReun | G-Portugol? |
| 00:49.21 | FIReun | (GPT) |
| 00:50.25 | dotCOMmie | GUID Partition Table |
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| 00:53.52 | babilen | teratoma: Not an option? |
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| 00:54.32 | FIReun | babilen: holy crap, it was working all afternoon |
| 00:54.41 | FIReun | babilen: I was going on what pccardctl said |
| 00:54.54 | Trox | hmmm |
| 00:54.56 | FIReun | babilen: IGNORE IT, if it shows up in lspci, its there, load the driver for it and GO |
| 00:55.12 | Trox | possible to run applications in Wine without starting their gui ? |
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| 00:55.41 | babilen | FIReun: You never tried that? o_O |
| 00:56.07 | babilen | FIReun: But anyway \o/ |
| 00:57.02 | teratoma | babilen: cant pxe boot. im trying to debootstrap on this usb stick then ill try to boot the mac ( and fail, i am sure ) |
| 00:57.18 | FIReun | babilen: I was doin one step at a time, finally tossed an eth0 card in there and said "ifup youz silly card" AND IT WORKED |
| 00:57.24 | FIReun | babilen: everything changed after that (: |
| 00:57.25 | babilen | teratoma: No, you would debootstrap from OSX |
| 00:57.37 | babilen | FIReun: hehe |
| 00:58.09 | teratoma | babilen: i cant boot my osx machine, at all. i only have usb stick i can stick in the mac. woe is me. |
| 00:58.30 | babilen | teratoma: Are you sure that PXE is not an option. ppc macs used to do that just fine |
| 00:58.59 | dvinchi | pxe rules |
| 00:59.04 | teratoma | babilen: i haven't been able to. ive tried to hit N after booting with Option held down |
| 00:59.17 | teratoma | perhaps intel macs are different |
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| 00:59.53 | dotCOMmie | FIReun: AFAIK pccardctl is for PCMCIA card only not PCCARDS (the ones with gold strip over connector) |
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| 01:03.42 | ries | hey all.. I am looking for a desktop environment/display manager that is lightweight (not kde or gnome) but does support a menu so i can start my installed programs, any suggestions? |
| 01:04.11 | Justin | ries: icewm? |
| 01:04.23 | jorik | ries: xfce |
| 01:04.42 | ries | Justin: jorik am open to anything... will try these, I just tried openbox... |
| 01:04.43 | Justin | kids these days seem to like lxde |
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| 01:04.56 | Justin | ries: openbox works too, probably different than you are used to |
| 01:05.19 | ries | Justin: it's to long ago since I worked with X at all (back in the 2.0 kernel days...) |
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| 01:05.39 | dagnachew | hi all |
| 01:05.45 | dagnachew | happy new year all |
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| 01:05.49 | Justin | ah, good old days of fvwm95 |
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| 01:06.32 | dagnachew | Justin, musca is real deal http://aerosuidae.net/musca/Musca_Window_Manager |
| 01:06.56 | dagnachew | I was wondering if someone has installed oracle on 64 bit ? |
| 01:07.12 | ries | Justin: I remember that one... |
| 01:07.57 | ries | Justin: I think I used to use afterstep also.. |
| 01:08.08 | babilen | ries: fluxbox maybe? or venture into the land of tiled window managers (xmonad, wmii, awesome) |
| 01:09.09 | ries | babilen: I think I did read a bit about fluxbox.... this is for a CNC machine I am going to control with rtai/emc2 so I just need something simple, but with a little menu to get in and out of a program... |
| 01:09.29 | babilen | CNC? |
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| 01:09.43 | dotCOMmie | Is this an off the shelf CNC? |
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| 01:10.01 | dotCOMmie | or are you building your own hardware? |
| 01:10.03 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: plz help me if u want |
| 01:10.09 | WhiteCrow1 | plz |
| 01:10.27 | babilen | ries: I would say that fluxbox might fit your needs. But evaluate the options. There are plenty of window manager |
| 01:10.27 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: can i ask u ? |
| 01:10.51 | ries | babilen: I will try that indeed... just readign about it on there website |
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| 01:11.27 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: ask the channel |
| 01:11.28 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: plz see >> and told me what can i do http://imagebin.ca/view/7LKm1v.html |
| 01:11.32 | WhiteCrow1 | ok |
| 01:12.33 | dagnachew | escuse me fellas to ask again |
| 01:12.46 | dagnachew | is anyone here installed oracle ? |
| 01:13.39 | WhiteCrow1 | any one can tell my how can i fix xorg.conf i want bac xorg.conf |
| 01:13.45 | WhiteCrow1 | http://imagebin.ca/view/7LKm1v.html |
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| 01:14.37 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: You'll need to look at the whole log file and see what errors it lists. |
| 01:15.14 | WhiteCrow1 | jhutchins whole what file ? |
| 01:15.33 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 01:15.50 | pb_laptop | see the (==) line of your image |
| 01:15.54 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: if i pastbin it can u help me |
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| 01:16.08 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: yes, paste it |
| 01:16.23 | babilen | !tell WhiteCrow1 -about u |
| 01:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: Meanwhile though, have a look at it and see what it says. It probably tells you what's wrong. |
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| 01:17.33 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: btw: your hostname contains a typo |
| 01:18.23 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: http://pastebin.com/m173af6f8 |
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| 01:22.07 | WhiteCrow1 | oh |
| 01:22.15 | WhiteCrow1 | anyone can help me |
| 01:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: I take it you're failing to get a GUI interface, but the CLI is up and running just fine? |
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| 01:23.53 | WhiteCrow1 | yes |
| 01:24.01 | FIReun | dotCOMmie: well *now* ya tell me (: |
| 01:24.14 | WhiteCrow1 | jhutchins: plz tell me how can i fix it |
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| 01:25.23 | Justin | WhiteCrow1: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 01:25.35 | ctmjr | this is driving me nuts because i know the answer but cannot remember in aptitude search what does the "A" mean |
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| 01:25.40 | dvs | no xorg.conf |
| 01:26.06 | babilen | ctmjr: aut .... |
| 01:26.30 | jhutchins_lt | Sheesh, 3000+ lines |
| 01:26.40 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: Fix what? |
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| 01:27.26 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: We can't guess what problem you're having. You have to tell us. |
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| 01:28.50 | jmarsden | ctmjr: See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html and think A for Automatic. |
| 01:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: Sorry, I see you said you weren't getting a GUI above. Do you know what your graphics chipset is? |
| 01:31.56 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: There is no obvious error in your Xorg log except that I don't see a chipset specific driver. |
| 01:32.40 | jhutchins_lt | WhiteCrow1: Which release? |
| 01:32.46 | nsadmin | WhiteCrow1: No such nick/channel |
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| 01:33.09 | ctmjr | jmarsden: babilen thanks am getting old need to start writting stuff down but then i would just delete the notes |
| 01:34.17 | babilen | Is there a support channel for speakers of Persian or Arabic? |
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| 01:39.56 | ries | babilen: dotCOMmie yeaa.. I am building a woodworking machine and going to use emc2 to control it |
| 01:40.51 | ries | dotCOMmie: and I am building most of the hardware, but not stepper drivers, I just bought teh gecko of the shelf, same as the BoB |
| 01:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Do you know how to do a challen list? |
| 01:42.45 | jhutchins_lt | s/challen/channel |
| 01:43.04 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: You can filter on "debian" and see if there's one. |
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| 02:03.28 | roe | is there a way to get rsyslog to do reverse DNS lookups? |
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| 02:04.10 | waawaamilk | is there a way to establish what debian mirror a machine is using? I could go grepping in sources.list, though that smells of hax |
| 02:04.37 | babilen | waawaamilk: apt-cache policy |
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| 02:06.03 | waawaamilk | hm, that's potentially useful, though it's dropped the port number and subdir name off the mirror |
| 02:06.24 | waawaamilk | (e.g. my mirror is http://host:9999/debian, and it's just outputting http://host) |
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| 02:11.33 | MidnighToker | evening people. I'm trying to install a module for this webcam, but i'm having problems getting it to build. following `http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-configure-webcam-in-debian-linux.html`. when i try making the module, it fails saying "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop." -the dir exists, but there is no 'build' file :-$ |
| 02:12.37 | d1b | MidnighToker: you need the kernel headers probably. |
| 02:12.41 | Justin | MidnighToker: use module-assistent (m-a) |
| 02:13.12 | Justin | that howto is pretty bad |
| 02:13.19 | MidnighToker | thanks for both replies |
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| 02:13.35 | MidnighToker | going to have to read up on module-assistant, no idea how to use it |
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| 02:13.54 | MidnighToker | annoyingly i have compiled my own kernel, i don't understand why i need these extra headers :S |
| 02:14.07 | Justin | m-a a-i gspca ? |
| 02:14.24 | Justin | because you didnt properly install the kernel headers for the kernel that you built |
| 02:14.38 | MidnighToker | probably |
| 02:14.45 | MidnighToker | ok, i'll work out which revision of heads i need |
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| 02:14.56 | MidnighToker | that command replies gspci, what is gspci? |
| 02:15.45 | sussudio | gamp special pci |
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| 02:17.40 | octo_ | what is the best way to remote win from llinux when it is xp home and you cant use rpc ? |
| 02:18.06 | octo_ | without tricking it into thinking it is xp pro and installing remote desktop |
| 02:18.28 | octo_ | i heard vnc sux compared to rpc ? |
| 02:18.37 | Gnurdux | NX |
| 02:18.48 | Gnurdux | oh, Windows from Linux |
| 02:18.51 | octo_ | can you istall a NX server on xp ? |
| 02:18.56 | octo_ | right :) |
| 02:19.00 | Gnurdux | i thought you were talking about the other way around |
| 02:19.16 | octo_ | other way around should be illegal lol |
| 02:19.19 | holycow | vnc is fine |
| 02:19.37 | holycow | they have improved the video drivers quite a bit recently |
| 02:19.47 | octo_ | ultravnc? or is there a better one? why is it said that rpc is sooooo much better ? |
| 02:20.24 | nsadmin | octo_: but it's much easier... just install an x server and -query to the linux box (requires an adjustment to the xdm prefs) |
| 02:20.42 | nsadmin | (the other way that is) |
| 02:20.56 | MidnighToker | dlb Justin : installed the headers, seems to be buildintg now |
| 02:21.17 | holycow | uvnc doesn't work with linux |
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| 02:21.31 | octo_ | nsadmin: ive used putty and stuff to go from win to linux and that was pretty nice |
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| 02:22.00 | scratchme | Hi all. Is there a simple way to forward a TCP port on all interfaces to another interface/port? |
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| 02:22.02 | nsadmin | octo_: you might find it nicer when you install an x server on the win box |
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| 02:22.29 | nsadmin | and then use that x server to log into the linux box's xdm |
| 02:22.39 | octo_ | hmm |
| 02:22.53 | nsadmin | but again... that's the other way around |
| 02:23.05 | octo_ | holycow: what about installing ultravnc server on win and loggin into it from krcd ? |
| 02:23.22 | holycow | which part of uvnc doesn't work on linux don't you get? |
| 02:23.35 | holycow | read their page, they provide a java interface for it. basically forget it |
| 02:23.53 | \amethyst | is uvnc not really VNC? |
| 02:23.53 | holycow | sorry didn't mean it the way it reads |
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| 02:24.05 | holycow | its vnc with some windows bullshit extensions |
| 02:24.13 | holycow | its designed by windows weenies for windows weenies |
| 02:24.40 | nsadmin | EVILcow... evilGRUMPYcow... |
| 02:25.27 | holycow | tightvnc works i think, been a while since i've used it |
| 02:25.30 | nsadmin | I know tho... been there done that |
| 02:26.14 | holycow | nsadmin: i meant that for octo |
| 02:26.52 | nsadmin | yeah I knw |
| 02:27.00 | octo_ | holycow: ahh, the reason I was stuck on it was becasue I thought something I read about remoting win from linux recommended it, but as i went back to look that isnt the case. I just assumed it may work |
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| 02:27.45 | nsadmin | octo_ what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 02:28.00 | octo_ | holycow: however, krdc has an option to log onto vnc, are there any free vnc servers for win that krdc can log into well ? |
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| 02:28.25 | octo_ | holycow: ahh, tightvnc I just saw your prev post |
| 02:29.07 | holycow | uvnc is not compatible with linux. its vnc with windows extensions. please just read their website. or listen to good experienced advice. |
| 02:29.35 | octo_ | holycow: I know, i understand that, i am over uvnc lol |
| 02:29.41 | holycow | :) |
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| 02:30.34 | nsadmin | octo_ what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 02:30.36 | octo_ | holycow: i actuall just want to know what is the best method to rape my xp home without installing BO2k lol |
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| 02:31.11 | holycow | give nsadmin more info |
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| 02:31.46 | scratchme | Ahh, found it. Incase anyone else wants such an app as I was looking for, look at rinetd. |
| 02:31.53 | scratchme | Thanks all. later on. |
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| 02:32.03 | nsadmin | actually provide the info to the channel... while I do understand that there could be other solutions to your problem once wen know what that problem is, I'm clueless on vnc |
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| 02:32.16 | octo_ | nsadmin: xp home doesnt have remote desktop, I was looking for a quick easy way to remote it other than tell it it is xp pro and install remote desktop so I decided vnc should work, but then someone told me vnc is terrible but i dont think it shoudld be that bad. So now I am just trying to find the best vnc server for windows that I can log into from linux |
| 02:33.18 | nsadmin | but what problem would that solve? |
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| 02:33.37 | kingring | ! mount |
| 02:33.37 | dpkg | somebody said mount was a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>. |
| 02:33.48 | octo_ | ohh, i see. I would solve my OCD lol |
| 02:34.16 | FIReun | babilen: I'm an aptitude convert btw, no more apt-this and apt-that for me -- althought I still think it should install with shorter name |
| 02:34.19 | kingring | how can i mount ext3 with read write permission |
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| 02:34.45 | nsadmin | well... ok... but there's not a reason you want to go from linux to windows (as opposed, for example, to the other way around)? |
| 02:34.50 | FIReun | kingring: dont mount it ro? |
| 02:34.57 | kingring | then |
| 02:35.19 | holycow | FIReun: just add an alias in your .bashrc file and off you go |
| 02:35.22 | babilen | FIReun: apti<tab> or alias ai='aptitude install' (or whatever) |
| 02:35.28 | octo_ | nsadmin: well, it would offer a fast way to work on a xp home box remotely without having the user modify the registry and install remote desktop, but I guess not many people use xp anymore hey? |
| 02:35.42 | kingring | i newly formatted a partition in my hardisk from ntfs to ext3 |
| 02:35.51 | nsadmin | kingring: why is it not mounting rw? |
| 02:36.13 | FIReun | yeah guys, I know... alias -- I'm just saying its something the original authors should have thought about more |
| 02:36.36 | kingring | just now i did that format, so can i restart |
| 02:36.59 | kingring | as you said it has to auto mount right? |
| 02:37.12 | nsadmin | kingring: what is your goal again? |
| 02:37.33 | kingring | i newly formatted a partition in my hardisk from ntfs to ext3 |
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| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | octo_: so you really want to run a win box from a linux box |
| 02:38.19 | kingring | i want to mount it |
| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | and use it for what? |
| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | to install? |
| 02:38.20 | kingring | no, i want to store my backup files |
| 02:38.32 | octo_ | nsadmin: no, i have virtualbox for that, I am actually referring to working on other boxes remotely that dont have xp pro on them |
| 02:39.02 | octo_ | nsadmin: namely xp home that doesnt have remote desktop installed |
| 02:39.10 | nsadmin | kingring: ok, what's the problem with the mounting? |
| 02:39.35 | kingring | its says, you are privileged ! |
| 02:39.37 | nsadmin | actually brb |
| 02:39.50 | nsadmin | oh, so you're not doing that as root |
| 02:40.04 | nsadmin | actually brb :) |
| 02:40.12 | kingring | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.04 | octo_ | kingring: did you want this to be a permanent mount that should be in the /etc/fstab file ? |
| 02:41.23 | kingring | cool, how to add that |
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| 02:41.58 | Sergio` | Is there a way to remove packages from aptitude's package list itself? |
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| 02:42.07 | kingring | octo_: commands please |
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| 02:42.55 | Sergio` | To remove what I don't want and have a custom package list and update only them. |
| 02:42.56 | octo_ | kingring: you have to open up your fstab file and modify it |
| 02:43.11 | kingring | i opened fstab file |
| 02:43.20 | octo_ | kingring: you can open it in kwrite or kate as root |
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| 02:43.29 | kingring | ya, i opened |
| 02:43.39 | kingring | what i have to include in |
| 02:43.47 | octo_ | what is the device name and the mount point that you want ? |
| 02:43.48 | kingring | Give me a sample command |
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| 02:43.57 | kingring | my point is sda2 |
| 02:44.29 | octo_ | that is your device |
| 02:44.36 | kingring | my point /home |
| 02:44.41 | kingring | device is sda2 |
| 02:44.46 | octo_ | oh ok one sec |
| 02:44.51 | kingring | :) |
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| 02:45.03 | babilen | kingring: 'man fstab' |
| 02:45.06 | kingring | and my type is ext3 |
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| 02:46.40 | octo_ | kingring: /dev/sda2 /home ext3 noatime,nodiratime,acl,user_xattr 1 2 |
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| 02:47.26 | octo_ | kingring: that should work, noatime and nodirtime are not default values I believe and you can take them out or add a lot of other mount options too |
| 02:47.27 | babilen | kingring: do you actually use ACLs? |
| 02:47.57 | kingring | can i add this errors=remount-ro |
| 02:48.20 | babilen | sure |
| 02:48.21 | kingring | ! acl |
| 02:48.21 | dpkg | i guess acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 02:48.58 | kingring | dump, means , i see zeros there , what can i give there |
| 02:48.59 | octo_ | kingring: if you read man mount, you will see all of the options, many that are filesystem specific |
| 02:49.28 | infohigh | but remember, don't man mount in public. |
| 02:49.35 | infohigh | ducks. |
| 02:49.44 | simonrvn | !lart infohigh |
| 02:49.44 | dpkg | cuts infohigh into thin stripes |
| 02:49.58 | simonrvn | waves |
| 02:50.12 | octo_ | kingring: if it is an external usb drive, you may want to list the dev by uuid rather than /dev/sda2 as it can change at another boot |
| 02:50.13 | infohigh | don't worry, I've come to expect that sort of thing from dpkg :) |
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| 02:50.39 | babilen | !comfort infohigh |
| 02:50.39 | dpkg | There, there, infohigh. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:50.40 | kingring | no, its a part in my hardisk |
| 02:50.48 | infohigh | hugs dpkg. |
| 02:51.17 | infohigh | you still might as use uuid, n'est-ce pas? |
| 02:51.22 | infohigh | *might as well |
| 02:51.24 | kingring | i edited, here is my now, 2 /home ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 02:51.32 | kingring | octo_, ^^ |
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| 02:51.46 | babilen | uuid == 2? unlikely |
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| 02:52.02 | simonrvn | 2 what? |
| 02:52.03 | kingring | octo_, /dev/sda2 /home ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 02:52.13 | simonrvn | thinks it looks very very wrong |
| 02:52.24 | kingring | What? |
| 02:52.29 | kingring | What's wrong |
| 02:52.32 | nsadmin | kingring: you probably already have something on /home |
| 02:52.46 | simonrvn | 0 2 since it's not critical to booting |
| 02:52.52 | kingring | its just a example ^^ |
| 02:52.55 | babilen | ...and that is not your root fs |
| 02:53.04 | babilen | kingring: man fstab |
| 02:53.15 | simonrvn | srsly |
| 02:53.28 | kingring | so what should i give at dump and pass |
| 02:53.28 | nsadmin | I'll go for man fstab too, since you're not showing the actual line |
| 02:53.40 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:53.48 | babilen | TrueDD: sleep tight |
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| 02:53.52 | nsadmin | kingring: read up on dump and pass |
| 02:53.59 | octo_ | kingring: nsadmin brings up a good point, if you wanted to make it your new home, would should copy everything over to it first and then mount it as home so you dont kind of lose it all |
| 02:54.03 | TrueDD | :) |
| 02:54.03 | nsadmin | in man 5 fstab |
| 02:54.05 | blast_hardcheese | hmm. |
| 02:54.06 | TrueDD | gn babilen |
| 02:54.14 | simonrvn | the remounting ro at errors is useless for non-/ |
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| 02:54.34 | kingring | okay.. |
| 02:54.36 | blast_hardcheese | I've got mdadm -> lvm2 -> xfs on a raid I haven't used in quite a while; |
| 02:54.48 | nsadmin | simonrvn: he probably didn't show the actual line he's editing |
| 02:54.55 | kingring | Let me try, brb |
| 02:54.57 | blast_hardcheese | mdadm assembled the raid correctly, lvm2 started the vg correctly, |
| 02:55.08 | babilen | xfs screwed up? |
| 02:55.14 | blast_hardcheese | file -s <block device> tells me "data" |
| 02:55.22 | simonrvn | i'm betting not ;) |
| 02:55.36 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: I would guess so; |
| 02:56.15 | octo_ | nsadmin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions dont flame me, they explain a lot lol |
| 02:56.16 | blast_hardcheese | I can hexump -C /dev/mapper/g24--raid-lvm0, and I see the data, |
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| 02:56.33 | blast_hardcheese | but file -s /dev/mapper/g24--raid-lvm0 reports "/dev/mapper/g24--raid-lvm0: data" |
| 02:56.37 | octo_ | ops, i sent it to the wrong person nsadmin |
| 02:56.52 | octo_ | kingring: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions read about dump and pass |
| 02:56.59 | blast_hardcheese | I'm really hoping I didn't lose 1.5TB of pictures/documents |
| 02:57.04 | blast_hardcheese | and OS backups |
| 02:57.05 | kingring | Thank you , :) |
| 02:57.09 | kingring | let me see that |
| 02:57.09 | nsadmin | octo_: np, probably good info and all... but I'll let him do it since he's not showing the fstab line |
| 02:57.11 | blast_hardcheese | and software installs |
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| 02:58.03 | octo_ | kingring: is has to do with dumping, and filesystem check priority, have fun hacking up your sys, I know I do :) |
| 02:58.26 | blast_hardcheese | babilen: Any ideas? |
| 02:58.29 | kingring | octo_, That was cool link |
| 02:58.31 | kingring | brb |
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| 03:00.32 | octo_ | kingring: btw, after you change your fstab file, you can do a mount -a , and it should reload the settings in the fstab file |
| 03:00.39 | babilen | blast_hardcheese: What's the problem actually? I did not quite get that... I am off to bed though. Good Luck! |
| 03:00.55 | kingring | oh, okay dude . . |
| 03:00.59 | blast_hardcheese | http://www.whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/xfs_problems.txt |
| 03:01.08 | octo_ | kingring: however, beware of the /home conflict nsadmin warned about |
| 03:01.30 | ray66 | Need properity drivers for my nvida 7900 gs card is this the right procedure ...wiki.debian.org/nvidia graphic drivers |
| 03:01.34 | kingring | yes i changed, /home/kingring/soft_bck |
| 03:01.49 | octo_ | coo |
| 03:02.11 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: all "file" does is read the "magic word" at the beginning of the file. If it doesn't understand it: "data". |
| 03:02.26 | infohigh | If fstab lists two filesystems as mounting on the same mountpoint, what happens? does it mount one, or both, or neither? |
| 03:02.38 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins_lt: Yes, but that means that the magic of the fs has been damaged |
| 03:02.46 | octo_ | kingring: being able to mount whereever you want is awsome, you can add unlimited new drives and space anywhere, cool shiznot |
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| 03:03.10 | blast_hardcheese | Either that or file doesn't recognize the filesystem |
| 03:03.10 | nsadmin | kingring: where do you have it mounted now? |
| 03:03.14 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: I don't know that that follows. A filesystem doesn't have a standard magic word as the first part of the data. |
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| 03:03.21 | nsadmin | actually show the fstab line |
| 03:03.32 | kingring | /home/kingring/soft_bck |
| 03:03.40 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins_lt: xfs_check: /dev/mapper/g24--raid-lvm0 is not a valid XFS filesystem (unexpected SB magic number 0x00ae08f4) |
| 03:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. RAID fails again. |
| 03:03.56 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you have it mounted on a dir inside your home dir |
| 03:03.56 | blast_hardcheese | so the superblock has a magic; |
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| 03:04.07 | kingring | nsadmin, /home/kingring/soft_bck |
| 03:04.09 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins_lt: actually, lvm2 fails again |
| 03:04.24 | jhutchins_lt | People wonder why I say raid is just another point of failure. Or why I say "lvm is evil". |
| 03:04.25 | blast_hardcheese | Don't know why I let my friend talk me into trying it. |
| 03:04.32 | blast_hardcheese | lvm is a steaming pile |
| 03:04.37 | nsadmin | how large is it? |
| 03:04.46 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: 1.5TB |
| 03:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | *b*a*c*k*u*p* |
| 03:04.57 | blast_hardcheese | not the end of the world, but it would be a significant loss. |
| 03:05.05 | yeti | i recently installed debian on my Compaq presario but I can't get sound to work. Any input would be greatly appreciated |
| 03:05.07 | kingring | for me, its 50GB |
| 03:05.16 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I know this now |
| 03:05.25 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins_lt: Unfortunately when I set it up I didn't do backups. |
| 03:05.39 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: Experience is proportional to data destroyed. You just got points. |
| 03:05.40 | kingring | yeti, check your sound card model first |
| 03:05.41 | nsadmin | what problems are the two of you experiencing with lvm? |
| 03:05.44 | blast_hardcheese | Some friends and I are getting together to do a distributed offsite backup system |
| 03:05.58 | infohigh | yeti: find out what audio card you have, what driver it's supposed to use, make sure all the alsa stuff installed |
| 03:06.14 | ray66 | Need properity drivers for my nvida 7900 gs card is this the right procedure ...wiki.debian.org/nvidia graphic drivers |
| 03:06.32 | kingring | yeti, Alsa support most of audio hardware |
| 03:06.46 | yeti | ok.. when I open gnome audio control panel i hear sound the test sound but I can't hear shoutcast.com playing. Alsaconf dicates everything is okie dokie |
| 03:06.48 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: Our LUG has a cooperative backup of rdiff-backup data where they rsync it to three different sites, each site offers storage to the other three, etc. |
| 03:06.49 | babilen_zzz | blast_hardcheese: create an image and try to repair that with xfs_repair .. |
| 03:06.52 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: My lvm config broke at some point in the past, it jumbled some data (bad). I unplugged the drives and waited until I had time to deal with it. I now have time to deal with it. |
| 03:07.04 | infohigh | yeti: oh then your sound stuff is all working fine :D |
| 03:07.19 | blast_hardcheese | babilen_zzz: I don't have 1.5TB of space free anywhere; I'm just trying xfs_repair directly on the RAID. I know this is dangerous. |
| 03:07.22 | infohigh | shoutcast.com: are you expecting it to use flash to work? or how else does it try to play sound? |
| 03:07.29 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: so you're just now getting started fixing your situation? |
| 03:07.34 | blast_hardcheese | yes |
| 03:07.35 | yeti | infohigh, yes.. but i cant listen to my mp3's (well i dont know what software to install yet) and i can't hear anything that shoutcast is playing? |
| 03:07.39 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: hahah just saw your post about a steaming pile hahaha\ |
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| 03:07.59 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: Yeah, I wish I hadn't used it. |
| 03:08.03 | infohigh | yeti: slow down ;) take things one at a time. |
| 03:08.04 | yeti | infohigh, brand new to linux debian. Switched from windows. <-- new year resolution. |
| 03:08.09 | infohigh | yeti: well congrats :D |
| 03:08.10 | nsadmin | so this is an lvm on top of what? |
| 03:08.14 | blast_hardcheese | yeti: \o/ :D |
| 03:08.17 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: mdadm |
| 03:08.27 | blast_hardcheese | RAID5 of 750gb disks |
| 03:08.27 | yeti | :-) |
| 03:08.27 | babilen_zzz | blast_hardcheese: additionally. I would *highly* recommend discussing any solutions/plans with the people in #xfs ... |
| 03:08.28 | nsadmin | so software raid? |
| 03:08.35 | blast_hardcheese | babilen_zzz: Good idea. |
| 03:08.37 | infohigh | yeti: first get an mp3 player and make sure your local stuff is working. the web-browser-based stuff seems harder, but I'm pretty sure mp3s will work once you get software for it |
| 03:08.41 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Indeed |
| 03:08.49 | kingring | yeti, o/ |
| 03:08.50 | infohigh | yeti: if shoutcast.com uses flash, then it's flash that's broken, not shoutcast (or your audio setup). |
| 03:09.16 | nsadmin | I haven't done any lvm using any form of multidrive combiners (like raid of any kind) |
| 03:09.21 | kingring | shoutcast is working for me, \o/ |
| 03:09.27 | babilen_zzz | blast_hardcheese: good luck |
| 03:09.32 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: why not, it brings depth and texture to the visualization of the pile steaming away in its freash but still usless state of being :) |
| 03:09.33 | kingring | buti nvm |
| 03:09.46 | blast_hardcheese | babilen_zzz: Thanks for your help :) |
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| 03:10.00 | trost | hello again :) |
| 03:10.05 | nsadmin | but I do have lvm pvs on single drives, and vgs per one pv |
| 03:10.56 | newsense | i installed logcheck today and have recieved no emails yet and i'm sure some activity from syslog should have triggered an email, i can also not make it run manually |
| 03:11.12 | yeti | also when I do a aptitude install firefox nothing is found... is there another name for it? |
| 03:11.44 | \amethyst | !iceweasel |
| 03:11.44 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 03:12.04 | infohigh | also try 'aptitude search' in order to find things :) |
| 03:12.20 | trost | Lets say i have the package of wine form the testing release installed, and i want a newer version of wine installed. |
| 03:12.48 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: there is a guy in #xfs called war somthing that has like 20 drives in mdadm so yes, i second the idea of asking in xfs if I read correctly |
| 03:12.48 | newsense | when i try su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck it asks for a password |
| 03:12.51 | trost | is it right to remove that package and just installed latest deb files found at the Wine's site ? |
| 03:12.57 | infohigh | yeti: debian and mozilla had a little spat, debian's not able to distribute verbatim firefox due to trademark issues iirc |
| 03:13.08 | trost | install* |
| 03:13.26 | yeti | infohigh, oh... so Iceweasel is the other option? |
| 03:13.38 | infohigh | yes, it's the "debian firefox" :) |
| 03:13.43 | stew | yeti: iceweasel is firefox just with a name change and different icons |
| 03:13.55 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: Yeah, hopefully someone will become active sometime soon |
| 03:14.03 | nsadmin | trost: in #debian there's probably no one who's tried that |
| 03:14.04 | trost | i do get a few packages broken but those all have to do with wine and arent going to effect the system |
| 03:14.06 | ray66 | !nvida drivers |
| 03:14.16 | trost | nsadmin : why not ? |
| 03:14.24 | nsadmin | it's not in debian |
| 03:14.28 | nsadmin | you'd have to ask them |
| 03:14.38 | infohigh | and I doubt many ppl here use wine much ;) |
| 03:14.42 | trost | nsadmin : note that that package was just an example |
| 03:14.46 | trost | :) |
| 03:14.59 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: I actually missed what the brob is, but i use mdadm on all of my comptuers, usually just mirror though |
| 03:15.10 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: never used lvm either |
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| 03:15.26 | nsadmin | an example of a package that's available from somewhere other than debian mirrors? |
| 03:15.27 | yeti | ok... everything seems to be ok.. but I can't hear the gnome sounds.... how odd |
| 03:15.33 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: let me paste what I just described to #xfs |
| 03:15.34 | blast_hardcheese | one second |
| 03:15.35 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: just primary partitions(dont know if that is good or bad) |
| 03:15.48 | macrobat | trost: wine has a repo, you can add it to your sources.list |
| 03:15.51 | stew | trost: if you want to install a newer version of a package you don't have to remove the older first, you can just install the newer. though I wouldn't necessarily trust a third party .deb to handle this upgrade correctly |
| 03:15.53 | infohigh | yeti: you sure your volume is turned up, and gnome sounds are enabled? |
| 03:15.55 | ray66 | !nvidia drivers |
| 03:15.55 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 03:16.04 | nsadmin | if not, what makes the example the same as the thing you really want? |
| 03:16.08 | babilen_zzz | !tell ray66 -about selftell |
| 03:16.15 | infohigh | yeti: again, I recommend you just get an mp3 player and use that, because it might actually report useful error info if it's having trouble playing an mp3. |
| 03:16.15 | nsadmin | or better: |
| 03:16.16 | babilen_zzz | ray66: and it is 'nvidia' |
| 03:16.23 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: http://www.whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/xfs_problems-irc-log.txt/ |
| 03:16.28 | nsadmin | what do you really want? |
| 03:16.29 | blast_hardcheese | whoops, remove the / from the end |
| 03:16.42 | octo_ | got a 404 not found lol |
| 03:16.42 | yeti | i am not aware of a nice mp3player graphical for debian linux |
| 03:16.44 | trost | nsadmin : finding this so hard to understand mate ? |
| 03:16.50 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: http://www.whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/xfs_problems-irc-log.txt should work |
| 03:16.53 | octo_ | oh ok lol |
| 03:17.00 | infohigh | even totem or mplayer should work |
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| 03:17.09 | infohigh | (totem comes with gnome so you might already have it) |
| 03:17.09 | trost | stew : wouldnt that cause some deps problems ? |
| 03:17.11 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: im slow at this poin tonight, didnt notice :) |
| 03:17.17 | blast_hardcheese | no worries. |
| 03:17.26 | trost | stew : aka broken packages ? |
| 03:17.32 | nsadmin | trost: yep... and will be doing so as long as you don't specify what you really want and from where it comes |
| 03:17.36 | blast_hardcheese | I'm really hoping someone will be able to help, I really don't want to lose this data. |
| 03:17.42 | stew | trost: if you do what, specifically? |
| 03:18.05 | trost | stew : as you said install that newer package without removing the old one. |
| 03:18.43 | nsadmin | take as an example of software that's set up to do that: postgresql |
| 03:18.45 | stew | trost: how are you installing the newer package? |
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| 03:19.00 | nsadmin | but... the package name also has the version number in it |
| 03:19.21 | nsadmin | different versions of postgresql can coexist |
| 03:19.27 | nsadmin | but |
| 03:19.33 | nsadmin | they are arranged to do that |
| 03:19.49 | nsadmin | and it's probably a rare example |
| 03:20.10 | trost | stew : dpkg |
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| 03:20.34 | nsadmin | dpkg is -not- set up for that. |
| 03:20.34 | dpkg | no idea, nsadmin |
| 03:20.38 | stew | trost: then maybe you'll get broken packages. but you can fix the broken packages immediately with "aptitude -f install" |
| 03:20.57 | stew | trost: and removing the old package first doesn't make any difference here |
| 03:21.10 | yeti | ever since i intalled debian... the laptop battery does not give me an audible or visual warning that the battery is about to run out. |
| 03:21.13 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: I never used lvm, do you get like a md3 or md3 num from raid, and the lvm goes on top of that, then the filesystem ? |
| 03:21.18 | yeti | is there anything like that available? |
| 03:21.21 | macrobat | wine in lenny is version 1.0.1-1 there is a "lamaresh" repo http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
| 03:21.47 | trost | yeti : check if acpi is working. |
| 03:21.57 | yeti | trost, how do i do that? |
| 03:22.16 | nsadmin | trost: let me get this straight... you want multiple different copies of dpkg installed? |
| 03:22.19 | trost | yeti : i really dont know. |
| 03:22.24 | infohigh | lol :) |
| 03:22.38 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: md3? |
| 03:22.43 | macrobat | haha! |
| 03:22.44 | trost | nsadmin : no! |
| 03:22.50 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: With lvm it just gives you a new block device. |
| 03:22.59 | nsadmin | oh, then what is the package you want to do this with? |
| 03:23.15 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: well for example, my mount point from rain are /dev/md0 /dev/md1 and so on |
| 03:23.24 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: raid* |
| 03:23.28 | stew | nsadmin: he wants to upgrade wine |
| 03:23.56 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: I see |
| 03:24.02 | nsadmin | oh, I thought he said wine is just an example of a package he wants to deal with |
| 03:24.11 | stew | he did |
| 03:24.14 | blast_hardcheese | Yes; mdadm is /dev/md0, which I then set up in lvm2, which provides me with /dev/mapper/* |
| 03:24.17 | trost | nsadmin : i had some broken packages a few days ago that turned out to be caused by the installation of a newer version of wine above the version for the testing release |
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| 03:24.47 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: so my partitions might be /dev/sda1 and /devsda2 and they would be mirrord together and called /dev/md0 |
| 03:24.52 | nsadmin | oh, ok... that sounds like it could happen |
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| 03:25.31 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: if i do fdisk -l. it tells me /dev/md0 isnt a valid partition which i find old and weird ? |
| 03:25.58 | nsadmin | what you'll probably have to do is rebuild wine on your present system into a package and then install that package |
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| 03:26.09 | bababum | hello |
| 03:26.11 | stew | octo_: you mean "doesn't [yet] contain a valid partition" |
| 03:26.15 | bababum | hapy new year to everybody |
| 03:26.22 | stew | octo_: err, "... partition table" |
| 03:26.23 | trost | any thing like backports for the testing release ? |
| 03:26.34 | trost | anything* |
| 03:26.35 | newsense | anyone know of a package that'll clean up after an uninstalled package, still got a user and files in /etc for the package and i purged it |
| 03:26.36 | stew | trost: no |
| 03:26.42 | trost | :( |
| 03:26.49 | stew | trost: there shouldn't be a need for it |
| 03:27.01 | nsadmin | building packages shouldn't be hard |
| 03:27.24 | octo_ | stew: it actually said /dev/md0 doesnt sontain a vaid partition table |
| 03:27.39 | stew | and in general you shouldn't need to build backports for testing, you should be able to pull unstable packages, unless we're frozen and you are hoping to follow testing to stable perhaps |
| 03:27.41 | nsadmin | you'll need sufficient disk space and, in a more limited way, plenty of ram |
| 03:27.46 | trost | stew : well security problems are solved in unstable before they are sent to the testing release. |
| 03:27.48 | bababum | i want to buy a dedicated and install debian on it with apache2 (vhosts), php5 + extensions, mysql5, email (vhosts), ftp (vhosts) and SVN and i would need help finding the best config approach |
| 03:27.57 | stew | octo_: and why is this odd? |
| 03:28.00 | octo_ | stew: but i have partitions on /dev/sda1 and dev/sdb1 , and they are mirrored |
| 03:28.06 | stew | trost: often, yes |
| 03:28.37 | trost | stew : thats why there is a need for something like backports for testing :) |
| 03:28.41 | bababum | idealy i would want a setup similar to that on shared hosting servers where i can have different accounts for sites and they can't access resources of other users |
| 03:28.44 | trost | stew : or is there some other solution to this ? |
| 03:28.59 | octo_ | stew: well, it is odd to me because i dont understand whyfdisk doesnt see the partition ? |
| 03:29.08 | stew | trost: the solution is to use the unstable package |
| 03:29.20 | nsadmin | bababum: probably you would want to offer virtual servers |
| 03:29.21 | infohigh | does testing still miss out on timely security updates? |
| 03:29.24 | bababum | i've read however that setting up something like this has an impact on performance |
| 03:29.25 | stew | trost: and if security is something that you need to have guaranteed, use stable |
| 03:29.31 | infohigh | oic ;) |
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| 03:29.48 | nsadmin | guarantee? |
| 03:29.56 | nsadmin | by who? |
| 03:30.02 | infohigh | heh |
| 03:30.09 | bababum | nsadmin: all sites are mine, but for security reasons i was prefering to limit access from them to other sites |
| 03:30.13 | stew | octo_: how did you create the mirror? |
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| 03:30.24 | trost | stew : to be honest all the security problems arent stuff like remote exploits so its not really a big problem here |
| 03:30.27 | bababum | so i will take this approach only if it doesn't impact performance badly |
| 03:30.43 | trost | stew : but how would i install the unstable packages without ending up with broken packages ? |
| 03:31.25 | bababum | nsadmin: i need some pointers to what to study/google |
| 03:31.44 | bababum | i've found that chroot-ing apache and ftp is probably a good idea |
| 03:32.02 | nsadmin | never use plain ftp unless you want to be compromised |
| 03:32.22 | stew | trost: man apt_preferences ; read about pinning: /msg dpkg pinning ; see the Default-Release setting in apt.conf. note that unstable package may have little or no testing at all and could be completely broken |
| 03:32.28 | bababum | the opposed of plain ftp is chrooted? or SFTP? |
| 03:32.46 | octo_ | stew: the last time i did it durring the install using mdadm, last time i did it from the running system tutorial |
| 03:32.48 | nsadmin | you could use sftp or ssh/scp |
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| 03:32.54 | simNIX | ftp can do ssl login |
| 03:32.54 | bababum | ok |
| 03:32.59 | simNIX | or chroot sftp |
| 03:32.59 | octo_ | stew: i mean time before last |
| 03:33.07 | bababum | got it |
| 03:33.46 | bababum | can u guys recommend a good step by step guide with explanations? i was unable to find one though i've been googling for the past week |
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| 03:33.57 | stew | octo_: then your paritions don't exist anymore |
| 03:34.23 | nsadmin | probably not, as there's too much material and there's not a good way to predict which way you'll want to go |
| 03:34.35 | stew | octo_: you can't create a mdadm mirror of two devices and expect that data on one of the devices to still be intact without going through some hoops |
| 03:35.01 | bababum | so what do i do? just do the best i can and pray? |
| 03:35.09 | simNIX | bababum, http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+chroot+sftp |
| 03:35.31 | infohigh | bababum: a good strategy for life in general :) |
| 03:35.35 | nsadmin | bababum: which part are you currently asking about? |
| 03:35.40 | simNIX | bababum, or http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&q=debian+vsftpd+ssl |
| 03:36.03 | bababum | nsadmin? |
| 03:36.36 | octo_ | stew: you can copy it over to a raid of 1 out of 2 then boot to it then sync them, however the last time it was a fresh install from raid set up during install |
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| 03:36.47 | bababum | im not experienced with linux. i am familiar with it but certainly not experienced enough to setup a solid production server. so i need guidance on what to read |
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| 03:37.05 | simNIX | I gave you 2 links just ... |
| 03:37.22 | nsadmin | bababum: then you have a decision to make as to whether you want to go with linux/unix |
| 03:37.43 | nsadmin | if you're not experienced, believe me, you WILL need to get experienced. |
| 03:37.49 | nsadmin | or hire a unix admin |
| 03:38.09 | bababum | hiring an admin is out of the question. not enough money |
| 03:38.18 | stew | what could possibly go wrong |
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| 03:38.33 | bababum | i can pay to have it installed but is more bad than good because i think is better to learn myself |
| 03:38.40 | nsadmin | then you're back to deciding what operating system you want to run |
| 03:38.50 | bababum | linux(debian) for sure |
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| 03:39.06 | bababum | i just need to figure out what I NEED :) |
| 03:39.06 | octo_ | stew: either way, fdisk -l shows /dev/md0 and all of the size info and such, but says it doesnt contain a valid patition table which has always been my case but i dont understand why. either way all systems are a go and it is the same in any distro ive been in |
| 03:39.18 | nsadmin | ok, given you're making that decision, you're making an implied commitment to learning it |
| 03:39.21 | bababum | so then i can learn about it |
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| 03:39.33 | bababum | yes i am commited to learn it |
| 03:39.40 | infohigh | great :) |
| 03:39.41 | nsadmin | oh, ok, good. |
| 03:39.43 | octo_ | stew: I just dont understand why and havent payed any attention to it |
| 03:39.46 | simNIX | bababum, if you can input the time you will noticed how much is already written out on how ... if you choose to do read up and such you will notice when your still stuck after reading what you could find in google/man/info pages you will see getting help on irc or mail lists is great |
| 03:39.52 | yeti | i recently installed KDE ; how do I tell debian to start using it as opposed to GNOME? |
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| 03:40.28 | bababum | yeti - session menu in login screen |
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| 03:40.58 | nsadmin | you've made a pretty good choice, as unix is generally better at networking and servers |
| 03:41.21 | kingring | (fs_freq), what is freq here |
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| 03:41.24 | nsadmin | but there are a lot of piddly little tools to learn about |
| 03:41.46 | yeti | bababum, ty.. going there now |
| 03:41.53 | nsadmin | kingring: a freq is a chick that it's lucky to find... |
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| 03:42.29 | aaroninfidel | anyone here have experience with bind9? I want to setup my own name server |
| 03:42.34 | kingring | Can you please tell me full form of freq? |
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| 03:42.40 | bababum | yeti: there's also the option from somewhere in settings menu. possibly in user management. you can specify how the logon screen works |
| 03:42.42 | nsadmin | frequency |
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| 03:43.02 | kingring | nsadmin, :) |
| 03:43.04 | kingring | okay |
| 03:43.07 | stew | aaroninfidel: lots of people, but you'll have to ask more specific quesitons than that |
| 03:43.19 | kingring | so its not chick for me anymore |
| 03:43.39 | nsadmin | which is a measure of how many times a particular periodic event occurs within a specific amount of time |
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| 03:44.06 | nsadmin | kingring: unless you want to spend the time necessary to get good with chix :) |
| 03:44.18 | bababum | if anybody around here is very good as a sysadmin for a production server and is willing to write me an outline about how to setup/config my server i am willing to pay. msg me directly if you want |
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| 03:45.07 | aaroninfidel | I just bought a .ch domain and my current domain host doesn't support it, so I'd like to setup a name server, someone told me I should use bind9 does anyone here have the patience to help me set it up? |
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| 03:45.07 | bababum | i need just an outline and some answers to my questions not a full howto |
| 03:45.08 | nsadmin | bababum: would this production server be remote? |
| 03:45.16 | bababum | yes |
| 03:45.37 | bababum | i will host probably with http://wholesaleinternet.com/ |
| 03:45.42 | nsadmin | and you want to run multiple domains? |
| 03:45.47 | bababum | yes |
| 03:45.53 | bababum | i control all domains |
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| 03:46.43 | kingring | i hate chicks when they are using makeup kits, if not i like them |
| 03:46.48 | nsadmin | one obvious way is for each domain, rent a service from them... so if you have five domains, you rent 5 ververs |
| 03:47.09 | nsadmin | kingring: you have to consider why they're doing that |
| 03:47.27 | dotCOMmie | bababum: I used bind, but a good friend of mine recomended powerdns take a look at it |
| 03:47.33 | nsadmin | and deeply. for that, you have to understand how they feel |
| 03:47.43 | dotCOMmie | s/used/use/ |
| 03:48.00 | kingring | for useless purpose, they will be beautiful if they not use beauty kits |
| 03:48.28 | kingring | chicks with natural beauty, awesome |
| 03:48.46 | kingring | i use to say to them :) |
| 03:49.17 | nsadmin | the thing is, to get any good, you have to approach 1000 of them. |
| 03:50.04 | kingring | I have one |
| 03:50.17 | kingring | i don't want anymore |
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| 03:50.24 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: just readning stuf and this may give you a little insight on where to aim ? http://www.paragon-cs.com/wordpress/?p=67 |
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| 03:50.28 | kingring | Any chicks here |
| 03:50.32 | nsadmin | then that subject is done :) |
| 03:50.34 | newsense | i installed logcheck today and cannot get it to run, anyone have an idea ? |
| 03:51.10 | kingring | nsadmin, why chicks are not entering to this channel |
| 03:51.20 | nsadmin | they're not? |
| 03:51.30 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: i am just trying to read on lvm as i really dont know how to help, but am curious what other say about lvm2 and stuff |
| 03:51.32 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: do you know how to setup bind9 and would you be willing to help me with it? |
| 03:51.41 | macrobat | kingring: http://women.debian.org |
| 03:51.54 | kingring | cool |
| 03:51.55 | nsadmin | well you would start with aptitude install bind9 |
| 03:52.02 | stew | kingring: please stay on-topic |
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| 03:52.29 | kingring | stew, okay |
| 03:52.31 | nsadmin | what do you want the bind9 for? |
| 03:52.43 | kingring | i carry nsadmin too. |
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| 03:55.15 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2001-November/msg00053.html this may interest you as this person had troubles with xfs on lvm using 6 drives |
| 03:55.29 | kingring | nsadmin, you were invited to offtopic |
| 03:55.36 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: Nah; that's from 2001, that's probably just a purely technical issue |
| 03:55.45 | nsadmin | aaroninfidel: what do you want the bind9 for? |
| 03:55.54 | blast_hardcheese | xfs support has improved by leaps and bounds since then, |
| 03:56.07 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: I bought a .ch domain and my current domain host doesn't accept transfers for that type of extension. |
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| 03:56.56 | nsadmin | aaroninfidel: are you sure you want to run the domain yourself? |
| 03:57.21 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: what would you recommend? |
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| 03:57.52 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: I'm a web developer, not an admin so I'm only working from my knowledge. |
| 03:57.52 | nsadmin | depends, how important is the domain? |
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| 03:58.19 | kingring | nsadmin, (fs_passno) so, now what is passno |
| 03:58.27 | nsadmin | is this like YOUR BOSS IS ON YOUR BACK AND YOU NEED IT UP YESTERDAY |
| 03:58.32 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: I plan on using it for all my personal projects and development. |
| 03:58.38 | nsadmin | or is it like, you're experimenting with stuff |
| 03:59.04 | nsadmin | so it's closer to experimentation |
| 03:59.06 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 03:59.18 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: more or less. |
| 03:59.42 | simonrvn | aaroninfidel: that's called a tld not an extension |
| 03:59.48 | kingring | ! fs_passno |
| 03:59.51 | aaroninfidel | simonrvn: thank you. |
| 03:59.57 | octo_ | here is a post talking about xfs on lvm on raid 5 ? http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2004-06/msg00248.html it is 04 and kernel 2.4 something bit worth checking maybe ? |
| 04:00.01 | nsadmin | if you run the dns yourself, you'll need a server on a static IP which is at least as well-connected as the sum of all the domains on it |
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| 04:00.26 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: I've got a dedicated box |
| 04:00.28 | nsadmin | and you'll actually need two |
| 04:00.40 | nsadmin | one for primary and the other for secondary |
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| 04:01.17 | nsadmin | the primary will actually hold the databases of the hosts on the domain |
| 04:01.31 | nsadmin | the secondary will ask the primary to feed it those databases |
| 04:02.00 | nsadmin | after that... |
| 04:02.23 | simonrvn | aaroninfidel: np |
| 04:03.00 | nsadmin | you will need the service that holds the IP addresses to provide reverse dns; they may agree, they may not |
| 04:04.34 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: ok, well how can we get started? |
| 04:05.04 | nsadmin | you might do some research on dns hosts |
| 04:05.24 | nsadmin | -maybe- the company you bought the domains from could host the dns for you |
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| 04:05.49 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: end goal here is I want my .ch domain up and hosted on my box, if you know of a quick, easy method of doing that I will follow your suggestion. |
| 04:05.53 | nsadmin | -so- much easier when you don't have to deal with it :) |
| 04:06.45 | nsadmin | let's assume for a moment that the company you bought the domain from agrees to pull dns duty for you |
| 04:07.31 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: from what I've read, they don't. |
| 04:08.32 | nsadmin | then somehow you would add the names and IPs to the database on their server, and it eventually propigates, and then suddenly your machine has a name on the internet... |
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| 04:08.51 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: i remember when I had a motherbaosrd withe sb600 chipset on it and i couldnt even get mdadm working. could it maybe be a hardware problem or mismatch using different raid cards or are all 4 or more on the same chipset? |
| 04:09.11 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: Not using RAID cards |
| 04:09.13 | blast_hardcheese | this is software raid |
| 04:09.21 | nsadmin | aaroninfidel: why won't the virt server company accept the domain? |
| 04:09.29 | octo_ | i know, i meant sata cards sorry |
| 04:09.37 | nsadmin | btw, you should -never- give ownership of your domain to anyone |
| 04:09.42 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: if I was to seek a company to host this domain for me, would I seek "Domain Parking" as the service? |
| 04:09.57 | nsadmin | unless you no longer have interest in it |
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| 04:10.39 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: I am unsure how to "give/keep" the ownership of a domain. |
| 04:11.23 | nsadmin | aaroninfidel, to alter the whois entries such that someone else is the administrative contact for it |
| 04:11.57 | aaroninfidel | so I shouldn't use private whois services? |
| 04:12.04 | Justin | blast_hardcheese: what did you do to break it? |
| 04:12.07 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin ^ |
| 04:12.12 | nsadmin | well you could, but you should be the admin contact |
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| 04:12.26 | blast_hardcheese | Justin: lvm2 stopped working for some reason |
| 04:12.31 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: noted. |
| 04:12.34 | blast_hardcheese | lvm2, being under xfs |
| 04:12.39 | nsadmin | and the person who runs the server should be the technical contact |
| 04:12.58 | blast_hardcheese | I didn't realize that I could just purge lvm2 and reinstall it and it would figure out the config based on the vgs there |
| 04:13.17 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: so what service should I be looking for in terms of getting this domain hosted and pointed on an a record to my box? |
| 04:13.22 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: did it do that? |
| 04:13.27 | blast_hardcheese | It did |
| 04:13.33 | blast_hardcheese | but I tried to repair it before |
| 04:13.35 | nsadmin | oh :) good times! |
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| 04:14.10 | Justin | blast_hardcheese: what does pvs,vgs,lvs output? |
| 04:14.14 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Yeah, if only I had realized that before. |
| 04:14.15 | nsadmin | when you say "my box" do you mean a box on a static IP? |
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| 04:14.39 | aaroninfidel | nsadmin: yes a fully dedicated box for web hosting |
| 04:14.46 | JaneDoe | hello folks. happy new year. which channel here is USA or ecommerce oriented? |
| 04:14.46 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: that's excellent... so your vols weren't actually damaged |
| 04:15.09 | abrotman | JaneDoe: for Debian, or just in general ? |
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| 04:15.15 | JaneDoe | or let me ask you this way: anyone doing ecommerce on debian? what are they using? |
| 04:15.16 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: And yet, xfs is completely trashed |
| 04:15.18 | abrotman | JaneDoe: /msg alis help |
| 04:15.31 | abrotman | JaneDoe: i've heard some people like interchange |
| 04:15.36 | JaneDoe | abrotman: doesnt matter. both works fine. |
| 04:15.41 | blast_hardcheese | Justin: http://whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/xfs_problems-lvm.txt |
| 04:15.53 | nsadmin | JaneDoe: well it's english here... ecommerce, depends strongly on what you mean by that |
| 04:16.08 | abrotman | nsadmin: electronic-commerce |
| 04:16.12 | abrotman | hides |
| 04:16.17 | nsadmin | there are a lot of different tool kits that can do ecommerce |
| 04:16.49 | nsadmin | shoves an electronic shopping cart into abrotman's USB port! |
| 04:16.50 | JaneDoe | nsadmin: I am trying to get some info from some folks doing ecommerce. |
| 04:17.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: can i get a cuecat instead ? |
| 04:17.07 | Justin | blast_hardcheese: you only have the one lv? |
| 04:17.13 | nsadmin | JaneDoe: like web? |
| 04:17.20 | nsadmin | cuecat, is that a scanner? |
| 04:17.37 | JaneDoe | nsadmin: I need a real person to ask some questions... web did not do it for me. |
| 04:18.01 | nsadmin | no I mean, what media do you want to run the ecommerce on? |
| 04:18.08 | abrotman | nsadmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuecat |
| 04:18.25 | JaneDoe | nsadmin: debian server |
| 04:18.34 | nsadmin | abrotman: that's that bar code scanner that they once gave away isn't it? |
| 04:18.47 | abrotman | pretty much |
| 04:19.19 | blast_hardcheese | Justin: Yes |
| 04:19.30 | nsadmin | JaneDoe: so let me just ask,,, you want to build a web site to sell things on, yes? |
| 04:20.13 | JaneDoe | nsadmin: I have a site that is already selling things. I just want to ask some questions about check (cheque) system in usa. We have servers running debian and openbsd. |
| 04:20.27 | nsadmin | if so... do YOU want to be involved in the building/designing/etc? |
| 04:20.52 | nsadmin | oh, ok. |
| 04:21.15 | nsadmin | so you want information about US financial institutions and how the checks work |
| 04:21.23 | JaneDoe | nsadmin: EXACTLY |
| 04:21.44 | abrotman | the routing numbers ? |
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| 04:21.58 | nsadmin | see? it took me a few tries... but I finally got one!! |
| 04:22.25 | JaneDoe | abrotman, nsadmin: you have been very helpful. but i dont think it is apt to carry on this conversation here. or can i without hijacking the channel? |
| 04:22.44 | abrotman | JaneDoe: you can try #debian-offtopic if you dont' feel it's appropriate here |
| 04:23.12 | JaneDoe | abrotman: thanks. are you both there? |
| 04:23.13 | abrotman | JaneDoe: assuming you can get nsadmin to join you |
| 04:23.31 | nsadmin | crosses his arms :P |
| 04:23.36 | nsadmin | welllll |
| 04:23.39 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 04:29.23 | xxploit | would anyone happen to know why network manager shows no networks detect with a small x on the icon in the system tray, and doesnt seem to be working. Debian squeeze + xfce |
| 04:29.38 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: file -s /dev/sda2/dev/sda2: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) |
| 04:29.50 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: does that mean i have a prob ? lol |
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| 04:30.12 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: Is sda2 mounted? |
| 04:30.19 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: yea |
| 04:30.28 | blast_hardcheese | Don't worry then |
| 04:30.32 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: it is /boot |
| 04:30.45 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: same with sda3 is / same output |
| 04:31.01 | blast_hardcheese | octo_: When ext3 is mounted, it marks the drive as "needs recovery" |
| 04:31.07 | blast_hardcheese | then when it unmounts it unsets it |
| 04:31.17 | blast_hardcheese | just in case your machine shuts down unexpectedly |
| 04:31.18 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: ahh cool |
| 04:31.27 | blast_hardcheese | so when it boots back up it checks it |
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| 04:35.17 | funky | hello |
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| 04:36.27 | octo_ | blast_hardcheese: I never used the file command before, file -s /dev/md0 thourgh 4 show the FS's correctly, I wonder why fdisk doesnt? fdisk is out of date on sata or mdadm perhaps? |
| 04:37.47 | nsadmin | abrotman: what happened after I left? |
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| 04:54.18 | mercutio22 | hello, is it possible for me to associate to a wireless ap from the command line? I don't have a functioning X-server at this moment |
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| 04:57.35 | ctmjr | stew: may i pm you? |
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| 04:58.12 | stew | ctmjr: sure |
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| 05:02.30 | mmind | mercutio22, look at wicd. it has an ncurses gui |
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| 05:12.03 | yangtongxue | 请é®ä¸ååºæä¹è§£éå/? |
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| 05:13.51 | dvinchi | wtf? |
| 05:14.28 | ctmjr | yangtongxue: /j debian-zh |
| 05:15.01 | ctmjr | yangtongxue: /j #debian-zh |
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| 05:20.01 | yangtongxue | ctmjr: è¿å½ä»¤ä¸ä¼ç¨åã |
| 05:20.29 | stew | yangtongxue: english only in here please. if you want to speak chinese try #debian-zh or #ubuntu-cn |
| 05:21.24 | yangtongxue | I'm very sorry. |
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| 05:30.38 | FIReun | why am I having so much trouble setting up sound? |
| 05:31.14 | FIReun | alsaconf w/ESS 18xx doesnt work, I try sb16 and at least the alsamixer works, but still no sound |
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| 05:31.28 | FIReun | whats the (easY( way? |
| 05:31.33 | FIReun | !alsa |
| 05:31.33 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:42.39 | force | hi, is there a way in sudoers config to allow a user to edit a specific file eg. /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but no other config files |
| 05:42.49 | mercutio22 | I have no X |
| 05:43.20 | stew | force: write a script that edits the file and give him permission to run that script |
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| 05:44.06 | force | oh good idea :) thanks |
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| 05:47.15 | \amethyst | force: you have to be careful with that, though |
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| 05:47.45 | \amethyst | force: if the editor, like most, lets you open another file, the problems are obvious |
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| 05:50.00 | \amethyst | force: it might be better to use "sudoedit /path/to/thefile" as the permitted command and have the user use sudo -e |
| 05:50.01 | aaroninfidel | I'm using lighthttpd and trying to load the Zend framework with PHP on Debian, is this the right channel to be posting questions about this? |
| 05:50.50 | FIReun | aaroninfidel: not directly I imagine |
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| 05:51.03 | FIReun | that sounds app specific |
| 05:51.35 | aaroninfidel | FIReun: thanks |
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| 06:24.56 | xyz | so i can use cs4 suite |
| 06:24.57 | xyz | and mirc |
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| 06:26.29 | xyz | just a sociopath |
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| 06:30.00 | force | any ideas why it would be doing this? |
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| 06:50.54 | Arrowmaster | force: thats default behavior |
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| 07:07.47 | bear | FUCK YOU SOFT BITCHES WE GO HARD |
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| 07:54.51 | gparent | is it possible to get the date a package was installed? |
| 07:55.11 | gr4p3s | if i wanted to get debian, would i get it in i386 (im running x86)? |
| 07:55.19 | gparent | yes gr4p3s |
| 07:55.35 | gr4p3s | gparent: thanks. is there any diff between i386 and i686? |
| 07:56.06 | gparent | well as far as im aware theres no i686 for debian |
| 07:56.27 | gparent | pretty sure they're the same architecture, but 686 being more recent |
| 07:56.35 | gparent | either way both are x86 |
| 07:57.59 | cahoot | gparent: aptitude keeps logs |
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| 07:58.10 | gparent | thank you. |
| 07:58.11 | gr4p3s | yeah, thats why im asking about the i686. some other distros offer that... does that mean that i386 works, but i686 works better for me? |
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| 08:52.56 | pokeh | hy i have debian vps , i need make this vps for webhosting company , how to install or configure it , thanks for reply |
| 08:53.30 | JyZyXEL | i can't find a single ara engine online |
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| 08:54.12 | pokeh | hy i have debian vps , i need make this vps for webhosting company , how to install or configure it , thanks for reply |
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| 09:02.22 | billbob | !test |
| 09:02.22 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 09:02.54 | pokeh | hy i have debian vps , i need make this vps for webhosting company , how to install or configure it , thanks for reply |
| 09:03.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | pokeh: you do some research, and stop spamming this channel. thanks. |
| 09:03.30 | krion | :) |
| 09:03.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | on that note, i'll head afk :) |
| 09:03.41 | pokeh | i not spamming |
| 09:03.48 | pokeh | i just havce questuon |
| 09:03.52 | pokeh | have questions |
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| 09:06.34 | LumpyDumpkin`bed | omg #askreddit coolest place for nerds evarrr |
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| 09:36.02 | WormFood | does "tcprules" from ucspi-tcp package work for anyone? |
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| 09:36.35 | WormFood | I had it working just fine on my system, and haven't had to touch it for years, and now when I go to use it, it just hangs...I don't understand why...installed it on 2 different systems, still just hangs |
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| 09:37.56 | WormFood | I've been fighting with this shit for over an hour, and it is really pissing me off! (and of course, google is no help) |
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| 10:04.26 | kleanchap | I want to install Debian over the wireless network. My laptop has Broadcom WiFi adapter. During the network install bootup, how can I load the Broadcom driver? |
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| 10:07.24 | pav5088 | kleanchap, not sure... but after boot doesn't it give you the option to load different drivers? |
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| 10:08.47 | simonrvn | kleanchap: next time, ask in one channel at a time (try to avoid cross-posting). thank you. |
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| 10:11.14 | fredl | I installed trac-wysiwyg on my box, how do I make trac use the right files globally (I have two vhosts, each with their own trac environment) |
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| 10:12.04 | fredl | I noticed Debian's trac pkg doesn't come with an /etc/trac/trac.ini so I'm a bit at a loss of whether I'm supposed to edit both environment's local trac.ini |
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| 10:12.48 | simonrvn | !antgel |
| 10:12.48 | dpkg | i heard antgel is cool ;) |
| 10:13.11 | fredl | stares at simonrvn |
| 10:13.29 | simonrvn | i didn't add that, so don't stare at me bub |
| 10:13.44 | Lovecraft | Perhaps you mean 'glares'. |
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| 10:14.33 | fredl | no, I hold no grudges, it's just really a blank expression, surprised what antgel could have to do with my problem |
| 10:14.34 | arghh2d2 | i'm trying to remap Mod4 to Caps_Lock... anybody know a quick and painless way to do this? |
| 10:15.04 | simonrvn | fredl: as for your problem, i suppose you could ask #trac (if there's a channel) or rtfm |
| 10:15.04 | Lovecraft | Use a keymap and loadkeys |
| 10:15.21 | simonrvn | fredl: it's ok, i didn't take it seriously in the least =) |
| 10:15.31 | Lovecraft | Read the Keyboard and Console HOWTO. short and good. |
| 10:15.40 | nevyn | arghh2d2: mod4 == capslock? |
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| 10:15.57 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure console-whatever |
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| 10:16.46 | fredl | simonrvn - haha well gee thanks :p |
| 10:16.52 | fredl | I feel much better now :) |
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| 10:17.06 | simonrvn | fredl: i've never worked with trac, that's all i can offer :/ |
| 10:17.31 | fredl | it's pretty nice actually from what I can see so far |
| 10:18.02 | fredl | just having a bit of a hard time dealing with too many unknowns at the same time, don't know Trac, could be Sid, could be Python |
| 10:18.36 | simonrvn | likely trac, it being the unknown |
| 10:18.53 | simonrvn | python is relatively transparent |
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| 10:19.59 | arghh2d2 | ok Lovecraft and nevyn thanks for the idears |
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| 10:26.45 | rgr | arghh2d2: you can use xmodmap. Its discussed loads of places in relation to xmonad. .xmodmaprc. |
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| 10:31.15 | arghh2d2 | rgr: yeah, i tried somebody's xmonad+xmodmap hack with scrotwm and it failed |
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| 10:33.31 | GrandMasta | sheevaplug seedbox setup! hello debian! ahh |
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| 10:36.43 | arghh2d2 | I just need to know what the Caps Lock key is called, like the Windows key is called Mod4... what would the Caps key be called |
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| 10:38.28 | rgr | the xmod file needs to be processed/read. Gnome (I use xmonad on gnome) sees the .xmodmaprc. If its any cosolation the syntax is mad IMO. Hang I'll post mine : |
| 10:38.28 | cahoot_ | arghh2d2: run xev |
| 10:38.34 | rgr | Caps_Lock btw |
| 10:39.07 | rgr | libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-T2Gr2hW8hC: Connection refused |
| 10:39.10 | rgr | dam |
| 10:40.10 | rgr | cant paste here from an xterm emacs. f******. |
| 10:40.22 | rgr | libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-T2Gr2hW8hC: Connection refused |
| 10:40.53 | rgr | arghh2d2: need to log out and log in back in. brb. |
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| 10:41.41 | rgr | libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-T2Gr2hW8hC: Connection refused |
| 10:41.45 | rgr | http://rgr.pastebin.com/d94016fe |
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| 10:43.23 | arghh2d2 | rgr: i tried something like that with scrotwm and it failed...brb |
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| 11:00.50 | mallxs | morning folks |
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| 11:07.16 | mallxs | I'm using gnome for my desktop machine ... where and how do start a background prog while logging in to the desktop ? |
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| 11:07.39 | itrf96 | hello, "Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic,password)" <-- what is the mean? thanks |
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| 11:09.39 | dutchfish | itrf96, what program you tried to start? |
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| 11:10.52 | skeet | hello?????????? |
| 11:11.02 | itrf96 | dutchfish, I want o login via ssh on my server |
| 11:11.21 | mallxs | let me refrease my question what is equal in gnome to my shell .kshrc ? |
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| 11:12.10 | dutchfish | itrf96, you used the correct user, and doe your server need a key and a password? |
| 11:12.43 | itrf96 | yes, it is true |
| 11:13.10 | mallxs | itrf96: are u using SecureCRT or something like that ? |
| 11:13.19 | itrf96 | dutchfish, ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=password -l username hostname.domain.ext |
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| 11:13.25 | dutchfish | itrf96, then make sure that the correct private key is installed on the client and can be found (path) |
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| 11:13.44 | itrf96 | is it true? |
| 11:14.12 | dutchfish | itrf96, man ssh |
| 11:14.22 | itrf96 | dutchfish, ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=password -l username hostname.domain.ext --> change =password to ="mypasswd" |
| 11:14.23 | itrf96 | ok |
| 11:15.29 | dutchfish | itrf96, -K option for the GSSAPI authentication |
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| 11:16.37 | dutchfish | itrf96, or -k if not |
| 11:18.12 | dutchfish | mallxs, i think the default shell is bash in Debian, if that is what you are asking? |
| 11:18.24 | mallxs | Nop |
| 11:18.52 | mallxs | I just need a program to start fi i start my desttop |
| 11:18.57 | mallxs | if |
| 11:18.58 | itrf96 | dutchfish, thank you, let me search |
| 11:19.19 | dutchfish | mallxs, you mean to start automatically on logon? |
| 11:19.24 | mallxs | Yep |
| 11:20.07 | mallxs | so now i'm looking for .gnomerc .. but can't locate it |
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| 11:20.18 | mallxs | or something like that |
| 11:20.18 | dutchfish | mallxs, if its a user program you might get away with session from gnome as far as i know, otherwise script it in sysv, if the porgram doesnt already |
| 11:20.23 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guy's |
| 11:20.26 | WhiteCrow1 | :D |
| 11:20.49 | dutchfish | mallxs, what porgram you try to start that way? |
| 11:21.01 | dutchfish | s/porgram/program |
| 11:21.10 | mallxs | dutchfish: syner .. you know it ? |
| 11:21.23 | WhiteCrow1 | i want to know permission of xorg.conf anybody can tell me ? |
| 11:21.41 | dutchfish | mallxs, synergy ? |
| 11:22.05 | mallxs | yes synergys -f --daemon --name debian.mallxs.nl --config synergy.conf |
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| 11:22.47 | dutchfish | mallxs, use gnome sessions |
| 11:23.32 | dutchfish | mallxs, for that user that is |
| 11:23.48 | mallxs | I'm the only user on this system |
| 11:24.04 | dutchfish | mallxs, same |
| 11:24.48 | dutchfish | mallxs, http://www.hanckmann.net/?q=node/22 |
| 11:24.49 | mallxs | dutchfish: gnome session .. is that a gui thing or can i just vi a file somewhere ? |
| 11:25.40 | dutchfish | mallxs, (System->Preferences->Sessions) |
| 11:26.02 | mallxs | dutchfish: thx |
| 11:26.07 | dutchfish | mallxs, yw |
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| 11:26.57 | Lovecraft | 'gnome-session' |
| 11:27.01 | Lovecraft | Its a script |
| 11:27.08 | dutchfish | WhiteCrow1, -rw-r--r-- |
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| 11:27.21 | WhiteCrow1 | dutchfish: tnx a lot :-* |
| 11:27.29 | dutchfish | yw |
| 11:27.48 | dutchfish | WhiteCrow1, its root:root |
| 11:28.08 | WhiteCrow1 | ok and tnx again dude |
| 11:29.28 | WhiteCrow1 | guys when i install fglrx i have probleam my gdm is cant to start |
| 11:29.45 | WhiteCrow1 | and i had to rm xorg.cong to can i run gdm |
| 11:29.58 | mallxs | dutchfish: hanckmann.net is that you ? |
| 11:30.05 | dutchfish | mallxs, no |
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| 11:30.12 | babilen | !tell WhiteCrow1 -about xorg config lenny |
| 11:30.45 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: i search in network and i read wiki debian but i have problem yet |
| 11:30.55 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: hi dude |
| 11:31.07 | Lovecraft | !tell Lovecraft -about xorg config lenny |
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| 11:31.30 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: yes, I remember. What kind of graphic card do you have? |
| 11:31.48 | babilen | Lovecraft: /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 11:31.50 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: ATI 4870 1G ddr 5 |
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| 11:33.15 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: You have several options. You could try to free drivers 'radeon' and 'radeonhd' or install the proprietary 'fglrx' drivers |
| 11:33.59 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 11:34.03 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: i want to install fglrx but i cant fix my be if u help me i can fix this |
| 11:35.03 | babilen | !fglrx one-liner |
| 11:35.03 | dpkg | Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: create/edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx. |
| 11:35.12 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: ^^^^ |
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| 11:37.40 | WhiteCrow1 | ok i go to stop x |
| 11:37.42 | WhiteCrow1 | tnx |
| 11:37.44 | WhiteCrow1 | nonce |
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| 11:51.42 | noreflex | Hello! I'm in desperate need of help guys. I had a machine with softraid1 (mdadm) on which I had a few websites hosted. This morning I noticed a few directories were not accessible - if I tried ls -lh i got some directories and files displayed as ????? |
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| 11:53.03 | noreflex | Then I tried fsck -y /dev/md0 - this seemed to take a LOT of time (but was stating that it was fixing things) so I tried fsck -y /dev/md0 > /dev/null which finished fast... |
| 11:53.42 | noreflex | now /dev/md0 is reported as having no filesystem |
| 11:53.49 | babilen | backups? |
| 11:54.09 | noreflex | no backups...this was the backup machine :( |
| 11:54.17 | babilen | and the original? |
| 11:54.29 | rgr | ... |
| 11:55.05 | babilen | noreflex: Did you interrupt the first fsck? |
| 11:55.07 | noreflex | it was the backup machine for other machines in the network...I have no backups of the contents of /dev/mdo |
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| 11:55.16 | noreflex | babilen: yes |
| 11:55.56 | noreflex | i thought I was safe with raid1 :( |
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| 11:56.37 | noreflex | smartctl reported the tests as passed for /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc - the drives from the raid setup |
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| 11:57.23 | babilen | sorry, telephone ... |
| 11:57.27 | noreflex | np |
| 11:57.28 | TangentCollision | someone named bear in here tried to dcc me something |
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| 11:57.37 | mjt | raid does not save you from system errors, as in: if system wrote some garbage to the filesystem, raid will happily store that garbage |
| 11:58.10 | mjt | but having "no filesystem" after fsck is wrong |
| 11:58.25 | mjt | that's not how things works |
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| 11:58.34 | noreflex | I don't understand how fsck managed to make things worse...this morning only a few directories were "unreadble" |
| 11:59.15 | iceroot | synaptic is not part of debian but from ubuntu? |
| 11:59.18 | mjt | is it raid1? |
| 11:59.28 | mjt | oh yeah it is |
| 11:59.29 | noreflex | fdisk and cfdisk state that there's no filesystem on /dev/md0 |
| 11:59.42 | mjt | well, that's not a good test |
| 11:59.52 | mjt | which filesystem it was? |
| 12:00.11 | noreflex | ext4 |
| 12:00.26 | noreflex | and /dev/sdc and /dev/sdb are reported to be linux_raid_member |
| 12:00.37 | mjt | and the kernel version? |
| 12:00.53 | mjt | note that in 2.6.32.3 ext4 received a *ton* of bugfixes |
| 12:01.11 | mjt | 2.6.32.2 |
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| 12:02.18 | noreflex | sorry : /dev/md0 is reported as having no partition table.... |
| 12:02.26 | mjt | should it? |
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| 12:03.22 | noreflex | kernel version is 2.6.28-11 |
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| 12:04.18 | noreflex | mjt....I guess a partition table isn't actually necessary |
| 12:04.29 | mjt | ugh |
| 12:04.36 | mjt | sure it's not necessary in general case |
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| 12:04.45 | noreflex | mjt I just created the raid setup and run mkfs on it |
| 12:04.52 | mjt | but we're talking about _your_ case where you either had partition table or not |
| 12:05.17 | mjt | so what a partition table has to do with all this? |
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| 12:05.33 | noreflex | mjt I don't think I had one - I created the array with mdadm and then used mkfs.ext4 on it |
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| 12:05.46 | scorch | I'm only getting "no boot signature in partition" when I try to boot after installing. Tried installing twice now and getting the same thing both times |
| 12:05.48 | mjt | so why even mention partition table?? |
| 12:06.07 | mjt | but ok |
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| 12:06.33 | mjt | noreflex: note that neither of *fdisks will report a filesystem on whole device |
| 12:07.06 | scorch | bios says "no valid operating system" |
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| 12:07.12 | noreflex | mjt sorry...when I try to mount it it gives ext4 no journal on filesystem on md0 |
| 12:07.31 | mjt | and fsck says what? |
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| 12:10.18 | noreflex | mjt: fsck /dev/md0 says : /dev/md0 clean 47969/15261696 files, 27817153/61034912 blocks |
| 12:10.32 | noreflex | sorry for the delay...that machine is in another room ... |
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| 12:13.26 | noreflex | mjt: do I have to recreate ext4's journal? is it possible? |
| 12:13.37 | noreflex | without loosing the actual date? |
| 12:13.37 | jelly-home | scorch: how many hard disks are there in the machine? |
| 12:14.18 | noreflex | *data |
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| 12:14.45 | scorch | jelly-home: one |
| 12:14.58 | LarsJ | [>....................] recovery = 0.2% (920768/446261504) finish=3869.4min speed=1917K/sec - Why is the resync running which such a slow speed. How do I debug this? |
| 12:15.28 | mjt | noreflex: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=66269 -- similar issue as yours |
| 12:15.35 | scorch | jelly-home: but I installed from an usb-stick, and the stick always gets assigned as sda, and the hdd as sdb, don't know if that's a problem or not |
| 12:15.59 | mjt | noreflex: so far i don't see how it works. But the good thing is that you have automatic backup |
| 12:16.08 | jelly-home | scorch: tried unplugging the stick and rebooting? |
| 12:16.21 | scorch | jelly-home: yes |
| 12:16.44 | jelly-home | scorch: it sounds like your boot loader wasn't installed properly. |
| 12:16.45 | mjt | noreflex: you'll have to experiment, and the best way is to break raid (remove one drive from it0 and perform experiments there (on e.g. sdb instead of md0) |
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| 12:19.20 | mjt | noreflex: you can also try disabling journal (tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/foo) |
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| 12:19.48 | mjt | noreflex: or, indeed, recreating journal |
| 12:20.08 | mjt | noreflex: but it looks like it's a good idea to update kernel to at least 2.6.32.2... |
| 12:20.11 | noreflex | mjt: If I recreate the journal - will I loose the current data? |
| 12:21.25 | mjt | recreate how, exactly? |
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| 12:22.22 | mjt | and i answered this one already: try anything on a _half_ of your raid |
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| 12:22.47 | mjt | so in case it'll go wrong you'll have another half intact |
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| 12:23.05 | noreflex | will try to remove one drive from the raid array |
| 12:23.15 | noreflex | thanks mjt |
| 12:23.22 | mjt | (to restore, re-add the drive back to raid and wait for resync; disable write-intent bitmap on raid if you have any) |
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| 12:23.53 | mjt | do experiment on the real disk, not on raid! |
| 12:24.02 | mjt | or else it'll be difficult to restore |
| 12:24.39 | mjt | noreflex: by the way, it probably is also a good idea to check your disks before breaking raid, like running smart selftests for example... |
| 12:25.20 | mjt | i found a few refs about this on google, people solved this prob by exactly this: recreating the journal. |
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| 12:26.36 | Vhozard | Anyone here with a subscription to Nature ? |
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| 12:27.17 | noreflex | mjt: I don't know how to recreate the journal...how exactly did they solve their problem? |
| 12:27.29 | mjt | noreflex: tune2fs -j |
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| 12:28.24 | mjt | noreflex: after restoring the fs, i'd save all data and re-create the filesystem. |
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| 12:39.44 | noreflex | mjt: I did tune2fs -j /dev/md0 and now I have a lost+found directory which has lots of directories like 16346 where I can find lots of my files - don't know if it's all of them... |
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| 12:41.51 | noreflex | is there a way to restore those files preserving the directory structure? I had some sites created with joomla and recreating the directory structure by hand is virtually impossible |
| 12:43.00 | thrashold | Can anyone hint me where i should look if su says "su: Module is unknown" ? |
| 12:43.28 | MASARUwota | thrashold: whow, what |
| 12:44.08 | oggei | fn'thrashold: probably a misconfiguration in /etc/pam.d/su or common ones |
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| 12:44.51 | initmax | úÄÒÁÓÔÅ, ËÔÏ qutim ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÌ? |
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| 12:45.12 | MASARUwota | initmax:english please |
| 12:45.12 | thrashold | Is there an easy way to restore a config file to the one in the package version? |
| 12:45.38 | subanomic | If I add a route using "route add ...", is that root maintained or is it deleted at the next reboot? |
| 12:46.36 | thrashold | Is there a way to force su to print which module is missing? |
| 12:46.56 | thrashold | I uninstalled a bunch of packages with autoremove, and I believe it stopped working after that |
| 12:47.01 | noreflex | mjt: any idea? |
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| 12:48.55 | oggei | thrashold: if you want you can strace |
| 12:49.17 | thrashold | What I'm looking for? dlopen or something? |
| 12:49.25 | oggei | but i'd personally prefer to track this kind of problems starting analyzing config files |
| 12:49.33 | oggei | open() |
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| 12:49.40 | mjt | noreflex: i was afk.. idea about what? |
| 12:49.54 | mjt | noreflex: ahh i see |
| 12:49.58 | mjt | noreflex: nope, there's no way |
| 12:50.31 | thrashold | OK, how would I restore all pam configs to the versions that are in the packages? |
| 12:50.32 | mi | hi all |
| 12:51.31 | oggei | thrashold: keep in mind that pam stuff in debian is generally designed to not make trouble to users who don't know how to use it, so if now is broken and you can't operate for yourself, you got a problem |
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| 12:52.07 | mjt | noreflex: lost+found is just like the name suggests: these are lost directories, the system has no track where that dirs where initially |
| 12:52.10 | thrashold | My suspicion is that I uninstalled some pam module that left a config file there |
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| 12:52.24 | thrashold | Or I upgraded some and the config file wasn't updated |
| 12:52.44 | thrashold | So the only way is to go through all the files and do dpkg -S for each .so? |
| 12:52.45 | oggei | thrashold: then it should be easy enough to find the rogue "required" line |
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| 12:54.37 | oggei | thrashold: yu can also use pam_debug(8) |
| 12:55.00 | thrashold | Thanks |
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| 12:57.47 | mi | iceweasel (Debian-3.5.6-1) and icedove (2.0.0.22) keep crashing, when i try to change the diretory during "save to disk". anyone has an idea what might be the problem or can tell me, where the logs could be? |
| 12:58.48 | thrashold | OK |
| 12:58.51 | thrashold | I think I found the problem |
| 12:59.19 | thrashold | e2fsck deleted some configs (apparently part of my terminfo files are gone, too, I suspect some pam configs are too) |
| 13:00.22 | thrashold | Note to self: Never use ext3 again |
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| 13:01.07 | war9407 | Does anyone here have a (new) Radeon 5XXX card (the ones that support eye infinity) working under Linux with Xinerama? (until the driver supports Eye Infinity?) |
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| 13:10.19 | unom1 | I am facing an issue with duplicate ping responses |
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| 13:10.26 | unom1 | what could cause this? |
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| 13:14.02 | paissad-hp | hi to all, i have this message when i use update-initramfs to update my initrd |
| 13:14.04 | paissad-hp | I: mdadm: using configuration file: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 13:14.04 | paissad-hp | I: mdadm: will start all available MD arrays from the initial ramdisk. |
| 13:14.04 | paissad-hp | I: mdadm: use `dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low mdadm` to change this. |
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| 13:14.18 | paissad-hp | sorry, :s |
| 13:14.29 | filePeter | lol :-) |
| 13:14.58 | paissad-hp | i would like to know if i should use "dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low" |
| 13:15.06 | paissad-hp | btw, i have no problems with my raid1 |
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| 13:15.55 | mjt | use that if you want to change that |
| 13:16.03 | mjt | what's the problem? |
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| 13:16.44 | paissad-hp | there's no problem, but i just want to know if i should bother for that message |
| 13:17.00 | mjt | it tells you that it will try to assemble all arrays |
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| 13:17.19 | mjt | you should bother if you want to change that |
| 13:17.38 | mjt | is confused |
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| 13:17.59 | paissad-hp | all i know is i have no proble with my raid1 system |
| 13:18.23 | paissad-hp | but that does not mean my config is optimal or quite correct |
| 13:18.25 | paissad-hp | :) |
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| 13:28.37 | thrashold | How do I disable the udev warnings with newest udev? My system is booting 1 minute longer because my framebuffer is too slow to print all those crap |
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| 13:39.25 | abrotman | thrashold: which warnings ? |
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| 13:40.44 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 13:41.30 | superlinux | can I install two different glibc versions? |
| 13:41.31 | thrashold | abrotman: That something is deprecated, I can't reboot now to tell :) |
| 13:41.41 | abrotman | superlinux: no |
| 13:41.49 | abrotman | thrashold: nothing in your boot logs ? |
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| 13:42.52 | superlinux | abrotman, what is the impact of having both? like i have a one that i apt-get it, and another that I compiled? |
| 13:42.53 | itsosimpo | need java plugin for epiphany browser |
| 13:43.11 | techknowlust | I'm having trouble installing debian on a dell machine I have. the install goes fine but everytime I boot it fails and all I see is what seems to be a stack trace |
| 13:43.13 | abrotman | superlinux: try it .. let us know what happens |
| 13:43.25 | superlinux | no way!!! hhehe! |
| 13:43.48 | superlinux | cos all I need is to run a game. |
| 13:43.50 | thrashold | abrotman: It has to do with this part of the changelog: o remove deprecated BUS=, SYSFS{}=, ID= keys |
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| 13:44.01 | abrotman | thrashold: unstable ? |
| 13:44.05 | thrashold | yes |
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| 13:45.00 | superlinux | ubuntu has newer versions |
| 13:45.11 | superlinux | so why debian has not? |
| 13:45.44 | superlinux | that does not mean i say ubuntu is better |
| 13:46.12 | thrashold | superlinux: What glibc version this game needs? |
| 13:46.17 | superlinux | 2 |
| 13:46.19 | superlinux | 2.8 |
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| 13:46.32 | abrotman | superlinux: then go use ubuntu .. if oyu need the game, don't let us stop you |
| 13:46.43 | superlinux | no no! |
| 13:46.48 | superlinux | :) |
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| 13:47.18 | superlinux | i have been always a debian user since 2000 |
| 13:48.03 | superlinux | ok i'll try to download and compile glibc |
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| 13:48.56 | pingouin | superlinux: i got the same problem, for a browser, need glic 2.8 |
| 13:49.08 | thrashold | It would be easier if you upgrade to squeeze. And you'll break less stuff. |
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| 13:49.12 | pingouin | superlinux: dont know how to handle this, without breaking stuff |
| 13:49.13 | superlinux | abrotman, does the change in a glibc have an impact on the kernel? |
| 13:49.28 | abrotman | superlinux: you're going to break your machine .. |
| 13:50.18 | superlinux | what do you mean by breaking the mechine, seriously? do you mean the package list? or not making the sytem able to boot? |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | superlinux: do you even understand what libc6 is ? |
| 13:50.24 | superlinux | *system |
| 13:51.06 | superlinux | all I know it's the basic C++ libraries needed to build a program.. not that much |
| 13:51.22 | mjt | it's THE basic C library |
| 13:51.32 | mjt | which is used by 99.9% of all your system |
| 13:51.33 | superlinux | oh! ok |
| 13:51.43 | thrashold | superlinux: The result from upgrrading libc manually usually is: No app works (e.g. ls refuses to work, cp refuses to work, bash refuses to start, etc.) |
| 13:52.03 | mjt | yeah, that's quite usual result |
| 13:52.27 | thrashold | superlinux: I've done that twice, so from my little sample I got 100% success in ruining the system |
| 13:52.53 | pingouin | thrashold: but there is not a solution to build the latest libc from gnu, in /opt for instance, and make only 2 or 3 soft use it, custom build from sources ? |
| 13:53.13 | abrotman | superlinux: your simple choices are 1) Don't play the game 2) use squeeze 3) use another distro |
| 13:53.13 | mjt | the answer to that is chroot |
| 13:53.24 | superlinux | pingouin, thats what you say is what i want! |
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| 13:53.30 | linhis | help! |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | ask! |
| 13:53.38 | superlinux | mmm |
| 13:53.45 | mjt | pleh! |
| 13:53.48 | linhis | i want 2 remove d extensions 4m my php file on apache on debian |
| 13:53.59 | mjt | whee |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | linhis: please speak english |
| 13:54.09 | linhis | i want the url abc.com/123.php and abc.com/123 to be the same |
| 13:54.15 | linhis | ooops sorry |
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| 13:54.35 | abrotman | itsosimpo: did you install the sun-java6-plugin ? or hte icedtea plugin ? |
| 13:54.37 | mjt | apc dbn |
| 13:55.00 | superlinux | I have just moved to AMD64.. I mean it took me a while |
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| 13:56.58 | aidan | Is there a deb for "Sun's MSV" which contains relames.jar |
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| 13:57.26 | babilen | aidan: 'apt-file search relames.jar' |
| 13:57.33 | rgr | someone just sent me a privazte msg but where is it? I got a libnotify pop up but cant find which windows its in. |
| 13:57.55 | rgr | sorry - wrong channel |
| 13:58.10 | babilen | aidan: or use p.d.o to search all distributions |
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| 14:03.21 | aidan | thanks |
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| 14:04.44 | Strum | hi all |
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| 14:09.59 | ries | hey all, I knew there was a apt function to search for filenames within packages, I am looking for gnome.ui (python I think) apt-file search gnome.ui doesn't give me any results, any hint for me what package contains gnome.ui ? |
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| 14:11.02 | pingouin | superlinux: maybe there is some information to do so here : http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:11.17 | babilen | ries: 'apt-file search' is the correct tool. You might have to update it's database or use packages.debian.org |
| 14:11.19 | pingouin | superlinux: and in the Help of newer version from gnu of libc |
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| 14:11.31 | superlinux | ok pingouin thanks very much |
| 14:11.42 | ries | babilen: I have been using that... I didn't knew it needed any update... let me look into that |
| 14:11.49 | pingouin | superlinux: sorry, i'm trying to learn how to do it also |
| 14:11.55 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:12.43 | pingouin | superlinux: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ |
| 14:12.48 | ries | babilen: there is not by any change a online tool? |
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| 14:13.00 | babilen | ries: packages.debian.org |
| 14:13.11 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:13.19 | ries | thanks, my internet is slow here (512kbs) |
| 14:13.29 | babilen | ries: but it is unable to find a package with that file as well. What is it? |
| 14:14.16 | babilen | ries: What do you need that file for? |
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| 14:14.22 | ries | babilen: I am looking for gnome.ui |
| 14:14.48 | ries | and it's for a program called emc2 (linuxcnc.org) to be precise, stepconf needs it |
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| 14:15.57 | babilen | ries: guile-gnome2-gnome-ui maybe? |
| 14:15.59 | babilen | judd: versions guile-gnome2-gnome-ui |
| 14:15.59 | judd | babilen: guile-gnome2-gnome-ui -- sid: 2.16.1-4 squeeze: 2.16.1-4 |
| 14:16.16 | pingouin | superlinux: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html#AEN77 the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is surely what we look for |
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| 14:16.31 | ries | babilen: let me try that |
| 14:16.36 | superlinux | ok ok |
| 14:16.44 | pingouin | superlinux: called in a script to launch the software |
| 14:17.22 | superlinux | pingouin, that's correct! I should have thought of it |
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| 14:19.19 | Strum | question - with lenny - how do i install dosemu, apt-get and aptitude don't seem to work |
| 14:19.31 | abrotman | pingouin: he's going to break his machine |
| 14:20.03 | liable | thats what he aspires to do |
| 14:20.04 | superlinux | abrotman, the tldp mentions that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the way around it |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | superlinux: you're going to break it .. i know what it's telling you |
| 14:20.49 | superlinux | I will compile it but not install it. can't i? |
| 14:21.07 | liable | Strum: you got contrib in sources? |
| 14:21.07 | pingouin | superlinux: take care of the ./configure option , read the Install |
| 14:21.16 | superlinux | no then! |
| 14:21.19 | superlinux | thanks! |
| 14:21.27 | pingouin | superlinux: it need not be installed in the system |
| 14:22.08 | pingouin | superlinux: sorry this one is in french but , back in etch time, the qt lib was not high enough to install firefox 3, you'll script to launch http://www.coagul.org/spip.php?article704 |
| 14:22.33 | pingouin | abrotman: dont tell me it's not possible to have some lib to test without breaking everything |
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| 14:23.09 | abrotman | this isn't "some lib" |
| 14:23.19 | liable | just a lib |
| 14:23.24 | pingouin | abrotman: yeah, you right , it's THE lib |
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| 14:23.55 | pingouin | but i just want it to run for some software, not for all system |
| 14:24.15 | pingouin | thus, maybe a aptitude install -t testing would work ? |
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| 14:24.33 | liable | tell whoever makes the software they suck. dont break your system for one package |
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| 14:25.23 | pingouin | liable: learning take time and some faillure i guess |
| 14:25.27 | pingouin | :) |
| 14:25.42 | babilen | pingouin: debootstrap a squeeze chroot and install the game in there. You can also use a virtual machine, or upgrade your complete system. |
| 14:25.55 | thrashold | superlinux: You have two much better options: Install a Debian Squeeze chroot with debootstrap, it takes less time than it will take you to figure how to compile glibc, and you will have two glibc versions on one system |
| 14:25.55 | liable | yes, fucking with libc6 will gaurentee failure :) |
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| 14:26.08 | thrashold | superlinux: And the other is, if you use LVM, snapshot your root, upgrade to squeeze, check if everything is working for a week so and enjoy your squeeze |
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| 14:27.23 | superlinux | guys! I dont want it any more |
| 14:27.26 | superlinux | thanks |
| 14:27.31 | superlinux | not for a game |
| 14:27.34 | pingouin | babilen thrashold yeah debootstrap is a good idea , i did not think about |
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| 14:28.09 | pingouin | and deboutstrap have plenty how to , contrary to how to build lib aside of running installation |
| 14:28.22 | pingouin | thanks for the reminding |
| 14:28.43 | thrashold | Damn, something installed network-manager, which disables my internet when I plug my phone into my PC. That's why I'm so lagged. |
| 14:29.22 | abrotman | pingouin: no, using -t wouldn't work |
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| 14:29.34 | babilen | thrashold: apt-cache rdepends network-manager --> What is this something? |
| 14:29.38 | pingouin | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 14:30.53 | rgr | anyone here successfully got an identd daemon working for ident services on irc connection? If so which one and do you recall any issues? |
| 14:31.07 | thrashold | babilen: evolution and resolvconf |
| 14:31.15 | rgr | had daemon running, did necessary router port forwarding and doesnt seem to work. |
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| 14:33.00 | babilen | thrashold: Which version of Debian do you use? I am sure that you can safely remove nm ... |
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| 14:33.31 | thrashold | babilen: I removed it just fine, but I guess it gets installed by something that suggests it |
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| 14:36.17 | babilen | thrashold: You can disable automatic installation of suggests |
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| 14:40.31 | ries | babilen: I cannot find that package name in Lenny... seems to be available in SID? |
| 14:42.08 | babilen | ries: yes .. have look at what judd said about the versions or /msg judd versions guile-gnome2-gnome-ui |
| 14:42.28 | ries | let me see, I missed that |
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| 14:42.51 | ries | Ahh yes.... but I have Lenny, not sid... |
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| 14:43.58 | babilen | ries: It's also available in squeeze. You can either (i) Upgrade to squeeze (ii) use a squeeze debootstrapped chroot (iii) use a virtual machine |
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| 14:45.11 | ries | babilen: I am sorry... but squeeze? Lenny is the latest already, right? or do you want me to use unstable? |
| 14:45.23 | babilen | ries: But I would download that package first and check that it contains the gnome.ui file. You said that the CNC program that depends on this is written in Python, correct? |
| 14:45.38 | babilen | ries: squeeze is the current testing |
| 14:45.42 | ries | Correct, it's written in python |
| 14:45.42 | dupondje | I just burned a img to dvd with wodim, but it creates 2 sessions? Any way to make it only 1 session? or close the session? Cause now its still open |
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| 14:46.03 | ries | Ahh ic... let me try that |
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| 14:46.44 | babilen | ries: Another option might be to install the program and it's dependencies into a http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv/1.4.3 |
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| 14:47.12 | babilen | ries: I would try that first. What is the name of the program? |
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| 14:47.35 | babilen | ries: virtualenv is also available from the Debian repositories |
| 14:48.11 | ries | babilen: the name of the program is stepconf, it's part of the whole emc2 suite |
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| 14:49.36 | ries | babilen: virtualenc is beyond my knowledge of python, I thought you did mean a VM :) |
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| 14:50.46 | libertad0 | Good afternoon |
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| 14:51.44 | libertad0 | I have lenny and I am trying work with a modem huawei e1552. usb_modeswitch not work, someone could help me? |
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| 14:52.10 | babilen | ries: It is a program to create a private/non-system Python environment. But I am not sure If that is the best solution for emc2, which seems to be quite a big software suite |
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| 14:53.26 | babilen | ries: I would try the debootstrap chroot approach first. The main purpose of the box you install that suite on is controlling your CNC tools, right? |
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| 14:53.50 | ries | babilen: I thionk it works already... on eof the packages I installed seems to added it |
| 14:54.06 | dHL | hey am is it correct that p7zip does not support 7z file compression under linux but rather only decompression? :-s |
| 14:54.07 | ries | however gnome.ui is still not found on my filesystem, so it must be embedded into something... |
| 14:54.07 | babilen | ries: even better |
| 14:54.34 | ries | from all the program languages I do know.. python is not one of them |
| 14:54.59 | babilen | ries: so it is working now? |
| 14:54.59 | dHL | pz7ip does not support file compression on linux is that correct? |
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| 14:55.38 | libertad0 | I have lenny and I am trying work with a modem huawei e1552. usb_modeswitch not work, someone could help me? |
| 14:55.49 | babilen | libertad0: be patient ... ;-) |
| 14:55.56 | ries | babilen: it's working now indeed |
| 14:56.01 | babilen | ries: \o/ |
| 14:56.06 | ries | thanks for the honts and tips... I feel rather stupid |
| 14:56.09 | ries | hints |
| 14:56.12 | babilen | ries: Which window manager did you settle on? |
| 14:56.15 | dHL | anyone know what compression tool has the best compression algorithm for linux? seeings how 7z compression apparently is not supported under linux...? |
| 14:56.28 | dHL | tar ? bzip ? |
| 14:56.36 | libertad0 | babilen: ok :=) |
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| 14:58.13 | ries | babilen: I settled on xfce4, teh desktop environment, but it seems to be partly loaded now :) |
| 14:58.13 | ries | a other challange to figure out... |
| 14:58.22 | babilen | libertad0: Is the modem not detected? Is it an internal one? |
| 14:58.37 | babilen | ries: :-D Have fun then ... |
| 14:58.53 | libertad0 | babilen: lsusb show a usb storage |
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| 14:59.25 | ries | babilen: hehehe yeaa..... I will it's working mostly though |
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| 14:59.52 | cahoot | libertad0: usb-modeswitch install via aptitude? |
| 15:00.17 | libertad0 | One in a million of turning on the computer, the modem is recognized as a modem and storage, this does not work most of the time |
| 15:00.50 | libertad0 | cahoot: no, it's a binary from the author |
| 15:01.20 | cahoot | libertad0: got a corresponding udev rule? |
| 15:01.38 | libertad0 | cahoot: yes for the modem |
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| 15:02.15 | psycose | Hi, using uptodate ubuntu karmic 32 bits, i got a bandwidth problem (-28 no enough bandwidth) using an USB Logitech webcam (046d:08f0, with driver STV06xx), i'm trying to solve this issue, on linux is it possible to tell the system to use another USB controller (see http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/d67fa2b8d) thanks |
| 15:02.22 | libertad0 | cahoot: usb_modeswith show "all right, ok, type lsusb for look the changes" |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | psycose: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 15:02.48 | babilen | libertad0: http://forum.ubuntu-fi.org/index.php?topic=28821.msg228829 might provide some pointers |
| 15:02.55 | cahoot | libertad0: I'm on sid here - the deb (usb-modeswitch) also includes a udev rule 80-usb-modeswitch.rules |
| 15:03.51 | cahoot | libertad0: 80-usb_modeswitch.rules to be correct |
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| 15:04.05 | libertad0_ | I'm sorry, my conection is unestable |
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| 15:04.43 | abrotman | wonders what stewdots is ... |
| 15:05.07 | libertad0_ | I wrote the corresponding command with usb_modeswitch |
| 15:05.12 | cahoot | libertad0: you need 80-usb_modeswitch.rules |
| 15:05.14 | libertad0_ | for my modem |
| 15:05.25 | libertad0_ | cahoot: I have already that |
| 15:05.43 | asg | abrotman: those little candy things, he's covered in them |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:06.00 | jaggz- | how do you do network data mirroring without having something like rsync have to search through everything all the time to sync it? |
| 15:06.00 | libertad0_ | usb_modeswitch displays an "all went well" |
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| 15:06.12 | asg | jaggz-: drbd |
| 15:06.15 | jaggz- | something like a modified version of a raid mirror, which worked over the network |
| 15:06.27 | stefan_ | Is there any performance gain for a regular desktop user with AMD64 over x86? |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | stefan_: generally not |
| 15:06.36 | jaggz- | ooh |
| 15:06.54 | libertad0_ | I use the channel as a last resort before trying a hundred times |
| 15:06.57 | stefan_ | basically i have 4 gigs of RAM, but never us more than 2. |
| 15:07.22 | stefan_ | Also seen some problems with 64-bit flash |
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| 15:07.30 | abrotman | s/64-bit// |
| 15:07.48 | cahoot | libertad0: tried the troubleshooting hints here? http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
| 15:08.03 | libertad0_ | cahoot: yes yes |
| 15:08.04 | stefan_ | When should it be adviced to use 64-bit OS? Or what kind of apps do have preformance boost to speak of? |
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| 15:09.52 | libertad0_ | cahoot: I tryed rmmod usb_storage too |
| 15:09.53 | jaggz- | asg, in features it doesn't mention it can be used for other than actual block devices.. so I can't mirror a directory using this method it seems? ie. I'd have to allocate a data partition. also, what about different sized partitions? |
| 15:10.00 | rpaulson | I'm looking to sync my phone (symbian s60 3rd edition) with kontact (calendar and contacts) anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:10.07 | jaggz- | that is, varying sized block devices.. |
| 15:10.15 | libertad0_ | cahoot: and mknod manually |
| 15:10.26 | asg | jaggz-: correct, it is for replicating block devices |
| 15:10.28 | jaggz- | actually I should try to go get some rest.. I'll get about 35 minutes and read up some more on this.. thanks, asg .. |
| 15:11.23 | libertad0_ | cahoot: If I turn the machine from scratch and I recognized it to work perfectly. Unfortunately, this does not occur often |
| 15:11.37 | jaggz- | that should be fine.. although I sometimes end up working in such low resources that I'd like one or more of the systems to have some leeway on the size.. (ie. using a directory instead of a fixed-size block device)... |
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| 15:12.35 | jaggz- | like this laptop has only 80gb .. so I have to share system, user, and that shared data space.. not much luxury to allocate a fixed size to anything where the space might be wasted |
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| 15:12.39 | war9407 | Does anyone here have a (new) Radeon 5XXX card (the ones that support eye infinity) working under Linux with Xinerama? (until the driver supports Eye Infinity?) |
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| 15:13.18 | veramen | Why "convert" does grabbing 100x100 area of X screen and saving it to PNG for 4..5 seconds...? Too long (-; |
| 15:13.25 | j03 | Hi, I'm a bit out of touch with Debian, to tell you the truth. I've just done an install via the netinst disk, And I'm getting Out of Sync on my monitors. |
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| 15:13.56 | j03 | I know I need to edit my xorg.conf file, but How can I do that if I cant get into the command line? I've tried adding init 3 to the end of my Grub Option thingie, but no dice. |
| 15:13.59 | rpaulson | j03: try the non graphic install |
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| 15:14.20 | rpaulson | j03: oh, you're done with the install? |
| 15:14.25 | j03 | Yeah, It's installed |
| 15:14.33 | j03 | Via the GUI, it was fine. |
| 15:14.33 | rpaulson | j03: try ctrl+alt - ? |
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| 15:14.39 | babilen | j03: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 15:15.06 | j03 | Ah, that's the one I was looking for, I think! I shall go and try that. I'll let you know how I get on :) |
| 15:15.06 | j03 | Thanks! |
| 15:15.07 | babilen | !tell j03 -about xorg config lenny |
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| 15:15.42 | libertad0_ | cahoot: in ubuntu work fine, XD |
| 15:16.31 | jaggz- | okay.. gotta go, thanks :) :) |
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| 15:19.51 | rpaulson | do anyone know of another way to sync symbian phones other than syncml? |
| 15:20.00 | rpaulson | (which is not installable) |
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| 15:20.48 | libertad0_ | babilen and cahoot. Thank's for the help. Although I failed to solve the problem |
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| 15:22.39 | veramen | Why "convert" does grabbing 100x100 area of X screen and saving it to PNG for 4..5 seconds...? Too long (-; |
| 15:22.47 | veramen | Why "convert" does grabbing 100x100 area of X screen and saving it to PNG for 4..5 seconds...? Too long (-; |
| 15:23.03 | veramen | uups) |
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| 15:26.16 | valdyn | veramen: to give you time to set up windows? |
| 15:26.23 | valdyn | veramen: this should be configurable |
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| 15:43.14 | j03 | Hi |
| 15:43.35 | j03 | I've run dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver |
| 15:43.46 | j03 | No difference. |
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| 15:44.48 | j03 | I took a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:45.01 | j03 | It's not got anything about my monitors resolition in it |
| 15:45.11 | j03 | I've got an ATi 4870 |
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| 15:46.21 | jamelyn | strange problem on squeeze...no java app can see the network. there is no proxy, java control panel is not set to use a proxy, all non-java apps see it fine. i've tried several java apps and none see the net. any suggestions? |
| 15:46.48 | dotCOMmie | anyone tried installing from testing business card cd image lately? I'm getting signature errors on debbootstrap |
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| 15:47.38 | jamelyn | dotCOMmie: try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 15:47.43 | j03 | Anyone have any idea's? |
| 15:48.04 | dotCOMmie | jamelyn: thanks |
| 15:49.00 | j03 | :( |
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| 15:50.19 | free_fox | dotCOMmie, what do you mean by signature errors? |
| 15:50.39 | dotCOMmie | free_fox: I'm gonna upload a screenshot, hold on one sec |
| 15:51.03 | free_fox | dotCOMmie, please do . I installed from the business card ISO (stable) and it workd fine |
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| 15:52.57 | dotCOMmie | http://dotcommie.net/tmp/debinstfail.png |
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| 15:53.50 | dotCOMmie | I guess I'll use stable then |
| 15:54.09 | dotCOMmie | This is in a KVM if it matters |
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| 16:10.57 | libertad0 | cahoot: look http://pastebin.ca/1736285 |
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| 16:15.53 | libertad0 | same problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=857515 |
| 16:16.15 | libertad0 | wvdial show "Invalid Dial Command" |
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| 16:16.33 | scorch_ | I've just installed debian with encrypted lvm |
| 16:16.42 | scorch_ | I had to edit grub manually, otherwise it wouldn't boot |
| 16:16.56 | scorch_ | but now cryptsetup waits for sdb instead of sda efter the kernal is loaded |
| 16:17.01 | scorch_ | how can I change that? |
| 16:17.13 | scorch_ | (sdb doesn't exist) |
| 16:17.50 | scorch_ | I installed from an usb stick, and it got assigned to sda and the hdd to sdb, but after rebooting and removing the stick the hdd is sda |
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| 16:18.56 | azeem_ | the g-p-m notification icon's menu no longer shows suspend and hibernate, just the battery; am I missing a package (current squeeze)? |
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| 16:22.57 | libertad0_ | same problem http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=49855 |
| 16:23.30 | libertad0_ | wvdial "ATDT invalid dial command" |
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| 16:26.12 | babilen | scorch_: use UUIDs |
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| 16:26.52 | babilen | !tell scorch_ -about uuid |
| 16:27.04 | nsadmin | scorch_: see if you can get it back to the way you installed so you can boot... then you can make changes |
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| 16:27.18 | Sindikat | hi all! how to make LyX export into PDF using Liberation font? |
| 16:27.38 | babilen | ah, right! scorch: /msg dpkg fixmbr and good luck! |
| 16:27.51 | scorch_ | nsadmin: it has never booted more than this |
| 16:27.58 | scorch_ | before it wouldn't even load the kernel |
| 16:28.37 | nsadmin | try booting from the usb stick and then use rescue |
| 16:28.45 | nsadmin | how do you do that? |
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| 16:29.18 | MrTorque | hi there. how can i return a string from one bash-script to another? |
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| 16:30.04 | scorch_ | babilen: where should I specify the UUID? |
| 16:30.08 | filePeter | MrTorque: echo "mystring" | onotherbashsrcipt |
| 16:30.08 | babilen | MrTorque: You mean use the output of one program as the input of another? |
| 16:30.40 | scorch_ | the only disk specific thing I can find is the "root (hd0,0)" in menu.lst |
| 16:31.03 | nsadmin | oh, look at your device.map |
| 16:31.04 | zomGreg | scorch: to get the UUID of the drive: $ udevinfo -q env -n /dev/sdx |
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| 16:31.29 | MrTorque | filePeter: i run a, let's call it, MotherScript (ms.sh) which calls a child script (cs.sh). the child-script does some echo and read (user needs to put sth. in) then i want to return a value from cs.sh to ms.sh |
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| 16:31.38 | scorch_ | it sais sda, which is correct |
| 16:31.40 | babilen | scorch_: run 'blkid' to get the UUIDs of your drives/partitions |
| 16:31.45 | scorch_ | but cryptsetup waits for sdb still |
| 16:31.46 | MrTorque | babilen: see what i wrote filePeter |
| 16:31.52 | scorch_ | should I change it anyway?= |
| 16:32.02 | nsadmin | no, that's good so far |
| 16:32.35 | filePeter | MrTorque: There are other pipes you can create with pipehandles⦠You might want to read and write from them⦠|
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| 16:33.17 | nsadmin | look at menu.lst for kopt=root= |
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| 16:33.36 | MrTorque | filePeter: isn't there sth. like return for srings? myreturn=$(cs.sh) doesnt work since the user needs to give input. |
| 16:34.51 | dutchfish | MrTorque, then use bidirectional pipe and handle the user input in your clientside program/script |
| 16:35.01 | babilen | scorch_: Which version of grub do you use? |
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| 16:35.40 | dutchfish | MrTorque, mostlikely a fifo |
| 16:35.41 | scorch_ | babilen: the one that comes with debian 5.0.3 |
| 16:35.52 | MrTorque | dutchfish: how would i do this? what is a bidirectional pipe and how else can i handle userinput than with read? |
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| 16:36.00 | MrTorque | dutchfish: fifo is first in first out?? |
| 16:36.05 | nsadmin | scorch_ look at menu.lst for kopt=root= |
| 16:36.10 | babilen | scorch_: ^^^ |
| 16:36.27 | scorch_ | nsadmin: kopt=root=/dev/mapper/hostname-root ro |
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| 16:36.47 | dutchfish | MrTorque, http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/Pipes-and-FIFOs.html |
| 16:36.50 | MrTorque | dutchfish: what about export myReturn="foo" and read that variable in? |
| 16:37.18 | libertad0_ | all look fine in lusb |
| 16:37.25 | babilen | scorch_: should be fine with that. Run 'update-grub' afterwards |
| 16:37.36 | libertad0_ | but when I try conect to Internet, wvdial display: |
| 16:37.39 | libertad0_ | # ATDT*99# # ERROR # --> Invalid dial command. |
| 16:37.42 | nsadmin | scorch_: so everything is in lvm (except /boot)? |
| 16:37.50 | scorch_ | nsadmin: yeah |
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| 16:38.05 | nsadmin | so the only issue is /boot |
| 16:38.15 | filePeter | MrTorque: do that if its ok for you⦠|
| 16:38.42 | dutchfish | MrTorque, that asumes a single lined pipe (one direction) if that is what you need |
| 16:39.07 | MrTorque | dutchfish: i guess so. |
| 16:39.25 | MrTorque | dutchfish: the link you gave is for c programming. but all i do is a little bash scripting :) |
| 16:39.38 | dutchfish | MrTorque, there are more tecnigue's that can handle this btw |
| 16:39.46 | dutchfish | MrTorque, by file is another one |
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| 16:40.02 | nsadmin | scorch_ I sat down here kinda late in your conversation... exactly how is your machine booted now, and what is its status? |
| 16:40.32 | scorch_ | nsadmin: fresh install |
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| 16:40.50 | scorch_ | installed from usb stick, hdd got assigned sdb and stick sda |
| 16:40.59 | dutchfish | MrTorque, maybe start here: http://www.dsj.net/compedge/shellbasics1.html |
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| 16:41.04 | MrTorque | dutchfish: i thought about that too, but is that neccessary? this is a workaround, i think |
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| 16:41.36 | scorch_ | tried rebooting now, still getting "volume group "padnora" not found" and "cryptsetup: source device /dev/sdb2 not found" (should be sda2) |
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| 16:41.45 | yaroslav | Why "convert" does grabbing 100x100 area of X screen and saving it to PNG for 4..5 seconds...? Too long (-; |
| 16:41.56 | scorch_ | "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." |
| 16:42.01 | scorch_ | then nothing more |
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| 16:42.22 | nsadmin | ok, how is it you're able to see its filesystems at this point? |
| 16:42.28 | scorch_ | livecd |
| 16:42.31 | scorch_ | or liveusb |
| 16:42.43 | scorch_ | and just mounted the /boot partition |
| 16:42.50 | nsadmin | ok |
| 16:43.08 | scorch_ | getting thrown to "(initramfs)" after a while |
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| 16:43.19 | Elmi | hi |
| 16:43.33 | Elmi | is testing still not receiving any security fixes? (or no full security support) |
| 16:43.34 | libertad0_ | babilen: usb_modeswitch now work with the new providerId 1446. But wvdial show ATDT like a invalid dial command |
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| 16:43.38 | Elmi | as the announcement for this is from dec 2008 |
| 16:43.46 | Elmi | (but still on the website as if being current) |
| 16:43.57 | libertad0_ | babilen: thank you for the deuch link |
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| 16:44.32 | nsadmin | so the first thing is it's not finding the vg... what happens when you do a pvscan? |
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| 16:44.59 | Elmi | is there no information available on this? O_O |
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| 16:45.06 | Elmi | I mean, the lenny release is a while back now |
| 16:45.11 | Elmi | also the libc port should be |
| 16:45.17 | Elmi | so is this information still current or not? |
| 16:45.28 | nsadmin | lenny is latest release. |
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| 16:45.30 | abrotman | testing is testing .. |
| 16:45.41 | Elmi | http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2008/12/msg00019.html |
| 16:45.45 | abrotman | if you need a stable and secure system, use lenny |
| 16:45.53 | Elmi | this gives two reasons why security updates are worse for testing, but _temporarily_ |
| 16:45.57 | Elmi | and both of those reasons seem outdated |
| 16:46.01 | Elmi | so *is* the statement still current or not? |
| 16:46.04 | scorch_ | nsadmin: "No matching physical volumes found" |
| 16:46.22 | Elmi | I get this is testing, anyway there's a difference between close to normal security updates and strongly delayed security updates |
| 16:46.23 | nsadmin | hmm. so it doesn't find your pv at all |
| 16:46.48 | abrotman | Elmi: then use lenny .. i don't see how either of those points are invalid |
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| 16:46.56 | nsadmin | I wonder if that's because the partition the pv is on is encrypted |
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| 16:47.32 | Elmi | abrotman: well, they are from dec 2008 |
| 16:47.43 | abrotman | so? |
| 16:47.44 | Elmi | abrotman: and the release party should be over since then. also the libc porting? |
| 16:47.44 | scorch_ | nsadmin: if I unlock it first and then run pvscan it finds it |
| 16:47.52 | nsadmin | and so pvscan can't see it because it doesn't look like a pv |
| 16:47.57 | Elmi | abrotman: and that's the two main reasons listed for bad security |
| 16:48.12 | Elmi | abrotman: so given they are outdated, isn'T it a valid question whether this is still current? |
| 16:48.16 | abrotman | Elmi: so you're aware of the latest eglibc transition ? |
| 16:48.19 | abrotman | they're not outdated .. |
| 16:48.24 | abrotman | you're still not paying attention .. have fun |
| 16:48.32 | Elmi | abrotman: I'm simply not knowing any details |
| 16:48.38 | Elmi | abrotman: is there still a libc transition in place then? |
| 16:48.51 | abrotman | you claimed it was outdated .. surely you know |
| 16:49.15 | Elmi | abrotman: now don't feel insulted. I simply said when it's from dec 2008 it is a valid question to ask whether it is still current |
| 16:49.17 | nsadmin | scorch_: so, the pv partition -is- encrypted... |
| 16:49.29 | Elmi | abrotman: I didn't want to make this personal or to question your knowledge about it |
| 16:49.34 | abrotman | Elmi: no you said they were outdated .. you didn't ask .. you stated they were |
| 16:49.58 | scorch_ | nsadmin: yeah, just selected the "encrypted lvm" choice during installation |
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| 16:50.18 | nsadmin | hmm. that should have worked :) |
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| 16:50.33 | nsadmin | is encryption important? |
| 16:50.35 | Elmi | abrotman: given by the date, yes |
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| 16:50.44 | abrotman | Elmi: that's a crap argument |
| 16:50.45 | Elmi | abrotman: still, that was an assumption to explain why I insisted so much on details |
| 16:50.53 | Elmi | abrotman: and wanted to know for sure whether this is still current information or not |
| 16:50.54 | scorch_ | nsadmin: sort of yeah. It's on my laptop |
| 16:51.02 | Elmi | abrotman: in no way I was meant to say you're wrong or I know everything about it |
| 16:51.08 | abrotman | Elmi: so do some more research before saying that the arguments are invalid simply because they're old |
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| 16:51.43 | Elmi | abrotman: well I said this *should* be over. anyway, if it's not I'm taking that all back |
| 16:51.46 | abrotman | to be quite honest, i'd rather they spend more time supporting oldstable than testing .. |
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| 16:51.53 | Elmi | I simply wanted to know whether it is or if there are any new more current reasons for this |
| 16:52.02 | Elmi | that aren't listed in that mail posting |
| 16:52.06 | abrotman | Elmi: or maybe they just don't want to? |
| 16:52.09 | Elmi | (on which I can probably assume better when this state is going to change) |
| 16:52.25 | Elmi | abrotman: yea, might be an idea |
| 16:52.42 | abrotman | Elmi: you could send an email to the debian-security list and ask about the status of testing-security updates |
| 16:53.52 | abrotman | Elmi: the answer is still really the same .. if you need security, then testing/unstable aren't the answer |
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| 16:54.30 | dutchfish | Elmi, as far as i have seen in the past, security will get more active when testing hits freeze, before that point its pointless up to a high degree to go into the nitty-gritty anyway |
| 16:54.33 | scorch_ | nsadmin: I unlocked, activated and mounted the root partition, and in /etc/crypttab it says "sdb2_crypt /dev/sdb2 none luks". Should I change this to sda? |
| 16:55.15 | nsadmin | you could try that... but make sure you understand the format of /etc/crypttab first |
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| 16:56.13 | dutchfish | Elmi, that does not mean testing wont get security patches, but they mostly arrive through the high rate of the normal updates when the package in question evolves, this is not the fact when testing hits freeze and that explains the why's |
| 16:56.20 | nsadmin | but... notice that cryptsetup is running -after- it tries to activate the vg |
| 16:56.31 | nsadmin | or is that true? |
| 16:57.41 | nsadmin | did you install onto an empty drive? or was there stuff there before (like the pv)? |
| 16:57.53 | scorch_ | the only thing I can see is that after the kernel is loaded, the vg cannot be found and then cryptsetup waits for the wrong device |
| 16:58.18 | scorch_ | I've tried erasing the drive twice before this install |
| 16:58.25 | nsadmin | where on the disk is cryptsetup? |
| 16:58.40 | nsadmin | so the disk is blank |
| 16:58.46 | nsadmin | or was |
| 16:59.31 | nsadmin | is it in (root partition)/sbin/cryptsetup? |
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| 17:00.24 | scorch_ | nsadmin: yeah, but that shouldn't be used, since I never get to enter the passphrase to unlock the lvm |
| 17:01.52 | nsadmin | maybe you should consider having a / vol outside of lvm |
| 17:02.09 | nsadmin | relatively small, like 100mb |
| 17:02.41 | nsadmin | and then the pv would have everything but / |
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| 17:04.24 | nsadmin | wait, how is it running cryptsetup when the whole pv is locked still? |
| 17:04.32 | initmax | hello! how can I install skype for squeeze AMD 64? |
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| 17:04.50 | scorch_ | don't know, initramfs? |
| 17:05.00 | nsadmin | maybe it's on there... |
| 17:05.12 | abrotman | initmax: you cannot |
| 17:05.25 | scorch_ | I'm running another computer with the whole systen in an lvm (except for /boot) |
| 17:05.28 | abrotman | initmax: you can do something like a chroot perhaps, but skype for 64linux doesn't exist |
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| 17:05.42 | abrotman | 64-bit linux |
| 17:05.44 | scorch_ | encyrpted lvm* |
| 17:06.07 | nsadmin | scorch_: so it works |
| 17:06.21 | nsadmin | same installer? |
| 17:06.59 | scorch_ | nsadmin: that one was an older version (one year ago maybe) and from a cd, not from an usb stick |
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| 17:07.32 | nsadmin | look at its /etc/crypttab |
| 17:07.54 | scorch_ | I can't, the hdd broke some weeks ago :) |
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| 17:08.21 | scorch_ | I'll try having a separate /home and only encrypt that one |
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| 17:09.40 | nsadmin | you might also encrypt a separate /var |
| 17:10.57 | scorch_ | yeah... I just dislike having separate partitions. I always run out of space on one of them, and have huge amounts free on others |
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| 17:15.32 | yaroslav | What utility does allow to select a rectangular frame on the screen by mouse and then dump it to some file format and runs from console? ) (imagemagick->import allow this, but too slowly - 4 secs for PNG 100x100) |
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| 17:17.05 | abrotman | scrot ? |
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| 17:19.55 | dutchfish | shutter ? |
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| 17:20.48 | scorch_ | great, and now I can't boot from an usb stick anymore, it just goes straight to the hdd even if I tell it explicitly to boot from the stick.... |
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| 17:22.44 | lukas2511 | hi :D |
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| 17:23.14 | valdyn | yaroslav: youre using gnome? |
| 17:23.24 | stamp | Hi |
| 17:23.30 | lukas2511 | bye :) |
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| 17:23.37 | valdyn | !screenshot |
| 17:23.37 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. |
| 17:23.40 | yaroslav | valdyn icewm. Already used scrot ) |
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| 17:30.55 | newsense_ | i installed logcheck but when i run it i get Auto-submitted auto-generated: No such file or directory and also get the same error in my email when logcheck runs from cron |
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| 17:33.18 | free_fox | JIS |
| 17:33.28 | free_fox | errr.. |
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| 17:41.25 | paissad-hp | is there another special way to show depends of a package instead of "aptitude show package" |
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| 17:43.29 | xevz | Should there be any problems with moving a PCI NIC from one PCI bus to another? |
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| 17:43.52 | madunix | hi |
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| 17:44.56 | madunix | Debian supports no SATA controllers. am i correct or far away off? |
| 17:45.11 | abrotman | way way off |
| 17:45.12 | valdyn | madunix: far away off |
| 17:45.21 | infzy | what are you having trouble with? |
| 17:45.45 | abrotman | paissad-hp: apt-cache depends foo |
| 17:45.48 | newsense | madunix: wrong |
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| 17:46.01 | newsense | madunix: i'm using sata right now |
| 17:46.07 | paissad-hp | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:46.18 | karihre | ok there was a way to add another version (eg testing to stable) in apt but mark that version as a low priority one, in order to be able to install packages from there without aptitude dist-upgrade upgrading the whole system. I remember meddling with some apt config files, any clues? |
| 17:46.45 | karihre | (google isn't being very helpful atm) |
| 17:46.45 | newsense | anyone here use logcheck successfully ? |
| 17:46.48 | infzy | madunix: protip -- they're called /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/hda1, etc. |
| 17:46.51 | abrotman | paissad-hp: you could also get it done another way with aptitude .. but the output would be the same |
| 17:46.58 | chops | karihre: 'apt pinning' |
| 17:46.59 | madunix | What RAID devices does Debian support? |
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| 17:47.11 | abrotman | madunix: which ones does the Linux kernel support? |
| 17:47.16 | stew | karihre: 'man apt_preferences" but note that you should not mix stable with testing or unstable |
| 17:47.16 | valdyn | madunix: hundreds.. are we support to list them? |
| 17:47.17 | chops | karihre: For that specific scenario (testing on stable) backports is likely to be the best way |
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| 17:47.29 | chops | madunix: What's your real question? What are you trying to do? |
| 17:47.33 | madunix | where can i find the list |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | in the kernel documentation |
| 17:47.47 | karihre | stew chops: thanks |
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| 17:48.20 | valdyn | madunix: this is totally the wrong approach anywhere |
| 17:48.30 | madunix | http://www.debian.org/ -> Documentation -> Linux Hardware Compatibility |
| 17:48.30 | madunix | HOWTO which is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 17:48.44 | stew | madunix: a raid controller that is not supported would be rare, i'd thing |
| 17:48.55 | valdyn | madunix: that one is the wrong approach too |
| 17:49.13 | valdyn | Copyright © 2001-2007 Steven Pritchard |
| 17:49.17 | valdyn | and way out of date |
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| 17:51.02 | jenifer | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139747394 |
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| 17:52.09 | abrotman | tags stew |
| 17:54.42 | free_fox | how to check if there are updates available via command line? |
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| 17:55.20 | stew | free_fox: aptitude search '~U' |
| 17:56.25 | free_fox | stew, thanks |
| 17:57.10 | free_fox | stew, I was wondering if there was an apt for it. |
| 17:57.23 | stew | what is that? |
| 17:57.29 | Justin | apt-get ugprade -duy |
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| 17:58.32 | free_fox | Justin, thanks . stew like an apt extension |
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| 17:59.05 | stew | i don't know. is aptitude not an apt extension? |
| 17:59.15 | stew | or what is an apt extension? |
| 17:59.38 | free_fox | believes apt has super cow powers |
| 17:59.56 | paissad-hp | if i create a package whose name is foo, what must i do if i want the system to know that package Foo is same as package foo ? |
| 18:00.04 | paissad-hp | "Foo" = "foo" |
| 18:00.20 | Justin | paissad-hp: why? |
| 18:00.28 | free_fox | mv Foo foo |
| 18:00.35 | infzy | does debian-stable installer still come with Lilo? |
| 18:01.10 | paissad-hp | free_fox, i don't think so |
| 18:01.19 | walrus | infzy: i think so |
| 18:01.22 | chops | paissad-hp: What do you mean "is the same as"? |
| 18:01.32 | stew | paissad-hp: you can't. you can mark the foo package as Conflicts: Foo and Replaces: Foo |
| 18:01.42 | free_fox | paissad-hp, create a symlink of Foo to foo |
| 18:01.53 | free_fox | I meant that |
| 18:02.05 | paissad-hp | stew, yes, i think that's a better idea to mark foo is in conflict with Foo |
| 18:02.12 | paissad-hp | that suits me |
| 18:02.50 | paissad-hp | stew, or Foo is provided by foo either |
| 18:02.52 | paissad-hp | no ? |
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| 18:03.39 | stew | paissad-hp: only if you have things that depend on Foo which should be satisfied with foo |
| 18:03.53 | stew | (and the things that depend on Foo don't have a versioned depends) |
| 18:04.06 | paissad-hp | ok |
| 18:04.33 | infzy | walrus: thx I'll try it :) |
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| 18:06.53 | manuel_ | hi |
| 18:06.56 | manuel_ | i have alaptop |
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| 18:07.19 | manuel_ | schould i use an encrypted lvm for the whole hdd or is encrypted /home enough? |
| 18:07.47 | manuel_ | many thanks |
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| 18:09.34 | babilen | manuel_: You don't have to encrypt anything. But note that quite a few programs save temporary data in /tmp which could be considered a leak if you only encrypt /home |
| 18:10.07 | manuel_ | i would use RAM as /tmp |
| 18:10.09 | babilen | manuel_: same reasoning for swap |
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| 18:10.26 | manuel_ | do i need swap? 4gb ram |
| 18:10.38 | babilen | everybody needs swap :-D |
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| 18:11.03 | zleap | if you set it up its there if the system needs it |
| 18:11.40 | manuel_ | ok will use swap then |
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| 18:11.47 | babilen | manuel_: also think about /var which might contain data you would consider confidential too |
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| 18:12.18 | manuel_ | do you think it is save enough to only encrypt /home? |
| 18:12.30 | babilen | save enough for what? |
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| 18:12.56 | manuel_ | that it is not possible to recover the password from the root partiotn |
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| 18:13.30 | babilen | I mean do you expect RANDOM_THREE_LETTER_AGENCY to break into your house and steal your laptop that contains valuable information from another government? |
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| 18:14.26 | manuel_ | no |
| 18:14.29 | babilen | manuel_: http://xkcd.com/538/ |
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| 18:14.59 | babilen | manuel_: Do whatever you feel comfortable with. If you want to know more about securing your computer: |
| 18:15.02 | _Dave123_ | any recommendations on what to backup (and how to?) when I like to backup my debian system as much as possible ? APART from the /home/user*/ dirs of course |
| 18:15.02 | babilen | !harden |
| 18:15.03 | dpkg | from memory, harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 18:15.33 | babilen | !what to backup |
| 18:15.33 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
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| 18:16.18 | abrotman | what .. no /var/lib/postgresql/ ? |
| 18:16.19 | babilen | _Dave123_: Have a look at rdiff-backup, rsnapshot, rsync, bakula, ... |
| 18:16.43 | babilen | abrotman: yes, that should be fixed |
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| 18:16.54 | CooLMaN | hello every one |
| 18:17.04 | CooLMaN | i have a few problems with my gui |
| 18:17.22 | CooLMaN | can any one halp me reinstal it throw CLI? |
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| 18:18.27 | _Dave123_ | ok i think i know what i need, thanks for help |
| 18:18.33 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: backup everything. |
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| 18:19.17 | CooLMaN | any one can help? |
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| 18:19.24 | babilen | _Dave123_: I second that - You will never end up saying: "Uh, if I only had ..." |
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| 18:20.44 | CooLMaN | helo |
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| 18:20.46 | CooLMaN | i need help |
| 18:20.47 | jelly-home | _Dave123_: this includes the partition table layout (eg. sfdisk -d output) and other useful data not normally present in files. |
| 18:20.56 | babilen | CooLMaN: What kind of problems do you have with your graphical interface? |
| 18:21.17 | CooLMaN | some times it dont start |
| 18:21.28 | CooLMaN | some times it does to a diffrent one |
| 18:21.41 | CooLMaN | i costumized a log in screen |
| 18:21.53 | CooLMaN | now it shows another one oe never shows one |
| 18:22.22 | CooLMaN | the problem as i think is from the xorg.conf file |
| 18:22.40 | CooLMaN | because i edit it as whats said to install compiz |
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| 18:23.43 | _Dave123_ | how can I make it possible to login as root user through PROFTPD ? |
| 18:23.46 | babilen | I don't quite understand your problem. Let's clarify this: You customised your graphical login manager (which one?) and it sometimes fails to load. If it does it starts different window managers / desktop environments on login? |
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| 18:24.19 | abrotman | _Dave123_: you really don't want to |
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| 18:24.55 | CooLMaN | when i installed compiz i edited the file etc/X11/xorg.conf as what said in the debian wiki |
| 18:25.07 | CooLMaN | this created this problem in log in manager |
| 18:25.19 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: how to backup/transfer contents of dirs like /etc then? |
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| 18:25.41 | _Dave123_ | cp -R /etc /home/myuser/_backup ? |
| 18:25.44 | _Dave123_ | sudo cp -R /etc /home/myuser/_backup ? |
| 18:25.50 | babilen | CooLMaN: Ok, move your xorg.conf somewhere else and try starting the login manager again. |
| 18:26.04 | babilen | !tell CooLMaN -about xorg xonfig lenny |
| 18:26.23 | abrotman | !etckeeper |
| 18:26.33 | CooLMaN | i'v restarted the manager many times and the pc it self |
| 18:26.40 | abrotman | _Dave123_: rsync over ssh perhaps? look at the etckeeper package |
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| 18:27.12 | babilen | CooLMaN: You would then start over (see what dpkg told you) and adapt the *new* xorg.conf to your needs. |
| 18:27.14 | CooLMaN | i edited the file again to remove what i did, it shows me now an arabic login manader |
| 18:27.14 | rgr | _Dave123_: use rsnapshot. It uses rsync ssh etc. and crons itself. |
| 18:27.42 | babilen | CooLMaN: Shouldn't it be in arabic? |
| 18:27.53 | CooLMaN | no |
| 18:28.03 | CooLMaN | i've never chosen it to be in arabic |
| 18:28.07 | babilen | CooLMaN: Which Debian version do you use? |
| 18:28.10 | newsense | anyone want to install logcheck in a squeeze chroot or such and tell me if they get the same error when running it |
| 18:28.16 | CooLMaN | lenny 5.0.3 |
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| 18:28.41 | CooLMaN | amd 64 |
| 18:28.59 | babilen | CooLMaN: But as I said - (re)move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere else and try to start the login manager again. If that works, generate a new xorg.conf and adapt it to your needs. |
| 18:29.34 | CooLMaN | ok, but whats the terminal command for moving or even remeaing |
| 18:29.50 | babilen | CooLMaN: 'man mv' |
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| 18:30.14 | babilen | CooLMaN: or 'mv' actually ... but take a look at the manpage anyway |
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| 18:30.32 | oskie | could anyone recommend a source code repository site for a debian contrib package? |
| 18:30.47 | CooLMaN | so "mv <fileame> <new location>? |
| 18:30.51 | sunoano | do we have a nginx wsgi module packaged? http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxNgxWSGIModule |
| 18:30.52 | babilen | oskie: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:30.55 | babilen | CooLMaN: exactly! |
| 18:31.35 | stew | oskie: "/msg dpkg mirrors" will tell you how to find the list of debian mirrors |
| 18:31.56 | CooLMaN | done and rebooting |
| 18:31.56 | oskie | babilen: i created a package that i need hosted somewhere. it's a set of scripts (GPL) that build .deb packages for a commersial product |
| 18:32.30 | stew | oskie: oh, I misunderstood your question then |
| 18:32.40 | babilen | CooLMaN: No need to reboot. Try /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:32.54 | stew | oskie: is it something that would make sense to have included in debian's contrib repositories? |
| 18:33.11 | CooLMaN | same arabic language, |
| 18:33.18 | CooLMaN | i logged in |
| 18:33.18 | oskie | stew: possibly, but not initially (i'm not a debian developer) |
| 18:33.27 | babilen | CooLMaN: But it starts and you can login? |
| 18:33.48 | CooLMaN | i've logged in in the arabic interface |
| 18:34.06 | stew | oskie: you wouldn't need to be a debian developer. it would need to be free software and you'd need to find a debian developer to sponsor it |
| 18:34.10 | CooLMaN | so from inside where i must go to edit, because i didnt find it again |
| 18:34.27 | newsense | ok so i ran a strace on logcheck and its not finding the file /etc/ld.so.nohwcap and i looked up the file with apt-file but it finds nothing |
| 18:34.39 | stew | newsense: you don't need that file |
| 18:34.53 | stew | newsense: it's normal that it isn't found |
| 18:34.56 | newsense | stew: logcheck gives me an error when i run it and when it's run from cron |
| 18:35.00 | oskie | stew: it would be 'contrib' since its free but "depends" on non-free |
| 18:35.06 | stew | oskie: right |
| 18:35.06 | babilen | CooLMaN: So you don't want your computer's main language to be Arabic but English? |
| 18:35.09 | stew | newsense: what error? |
| 18:35.22 | oskie | i'm trying to figure out whether alioth accepts contrib packages |
| 18:35.27 | CooLMaN | it's working english |
| 18:35.32 | babilen | CooLMaN: Or do you only want the login manager to use a different language? |
| 18:35.35 | CooLMaN | but the log in screen arabic |
| 18:35.50 | CooLMaN | so i want to set log in to be english |
| 18:35.55 | newsense | stew: Auto-Submitted: auto-generated: No such file or directory |
| 18:36.07 | newsense | stew: i get that in emails from logcheck and if i run it manually |
| 18:36.23 | CooLMaN | now all english but login arabic, i want to set logi to english |
| 18:36.43 | stew | newsense: i'd check the strace for the LAST ENOENT error (not the first) |
| 18:36.48 | newsense | stew: logcheck is in the adm group which is the group owner of the logfiles and i have the rule dir set correctly and logcheck can read it |
| 18:37.02 | newsense | stew: ok never used strace much let me do that |
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| 18:37.29 | stew | newsense: you'll find that basically any program you run will have a ENOENT on /etc/ld.so.nonohwcap |
| 18:37.32 | CooLMaN | so how i can do that? |
| 18:37.34 | babilen | CooLMaN: Try 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' or 'gdmsetup' . But I am not sure if that solves your problem |
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| 18:38.13 | newsense | stew: good to know i thought i had my problem solved when i looked at the first few lines of the strace :) |
| 18:38.16 | plasmid | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.28 | plasmid | !wireless |
| 18:38.28 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:39.25 | babilen | plasmid: /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 18:39.25 | plasmid | babilen, ty |
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| 18:39.38 | plasmid | babilen, do u happen to know why the ports on the laptop do not work? such as volume up/down; my mic port, the earphones port. brightness up/down.. etc? |
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| 18:39.55 | Remote1 | how do i install the kernel drivers on debian 5 |
| 18:40.32 | Remote1 | !drivers |
| 18:40.32 | dpkg | drivers are pieces of software to "drive" your friggin hardware |
| 18:40.34 | plasmid | babilen, I would like to take this laptop to a library but the earphone port does not work. Shame. |
| 18:40.55 | newsense | stew: not finding this either /var/run/nscd/socket |
| 18:41.01 | xNinja | hello...how to install zend to run encrypted php scripts ? |
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| 18:41.05 | Remote1 | how do i install the kernel drivers on debian 5 |
| 18:41.07 | CooLMaN | babilen: it didnt work |
| 18:41.19 | babilen | CooLMaN: Can't you change the language when you are on the login manager? |
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| 18:41.42 | CooLMaN | once some one gave me a code export display then some thing |
| 18:41.44 | sphenxes | How can I open *.bin files under debian? chmod +x file.bin, ./file.bin hasn't worked? |
| 18:41.46 | CooLMaN | it worked |
| 18:41.57 | CooLMaN | do you know the command? |
| 18:42.04 | Justin | !wayttd Remote1 |
| 18:42.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Remote1? |
| 18:42.14 | Justin | sphenxes: file file.bin |
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| 18:42.23 | babilen | CooLMaN: no |
| 18:42.30 | Remote1 | Justin: I want to try and stop this http://pastebin.com/m27fc0f2e |
| 18:42.38 | Remote1 | Justin: I was told it might be the kernel drivers |
| 18:43.13 | Justin | whoever told you that is an idiot |
| 18:43.15 | CooLMaN | babilen: so i think i'll stay on arabic |
| 18:43.15 | abrotman | Remote1: you think kernel drivers are breaking your source build of an ircd ? |
| 18:43.28 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:43.29 | Remote1 | abrotman: No, I don't know *shrugs* |
| 18:43.41 | Remote1 | I just have been trying to solve this for a while now |
| 18:43.56 | gorp | does the linux kernel drink beers ? |
| 18:43.59 | sphenxes | Justin, it says data |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | Remote1: there is more than one ircd in debian already |
| 18:44.08 | stew | Remote1: what exactly are you trying to compile? |
| 18:44.14 | Justin | sphenxes: whatever it is, it is not a program |
| 18:44.20 | Remote1 | It's an ircd |
| 18:44.24 | CooLMaN | babilen: before i edited the loging screen from in the system, but now i cant find it any more, where i can find it? |
| 18:44.28 | sphenxes | Justin, ic, thanks |
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| 18:44.37 | abrotman | Remote1: but there are several in debian already .. what's wrong with those ones? |
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| 18:44.55 | babilen | CooLMaN: 'gdmsetup' ? |
| 18:45.05 | Remote1 | abrotman: I'm donating this to a network already using this particular ircd |
| 18:45.08 | Remote1 | abrotman: It's just not compiling for them on Debian 5 |
| 18:45.12 | abrotman | donating a compiled ircd ? |
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| 18:45.21 | CooLMaN | babilen: no thrwo gui not terminal |
| 18:45.21 | Remote1 | No, donating this server to them |
| 18:45.28 | CooLMaN | it was like a regular screen |
| 18:45.33 | stew | Remote1: find out what version of gcc they are using |
| 18:45.35 | newsense | stew: i found the last ENOENT it cant find access("/var/run/utmpx" |
| 18:45.57 | babilen | CooLMaN: Did you try that command? |
| 18:45.57 | newsense | stew: any ideas ? |
| 18:46.01 | Remote1 | stew: 4:4.3.2-2 |
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| 18:46.28 | babilen | CooLMaN: You have to run it as root though |
| 18:46.32 | stew | Remote1: that's the one that works successfully for them? |
| 18:46.37 | CooLMaN | ya i know |
| 18:46.38 | Justin | CooLMaN: the word you are looking for is through |
| 18:46.45 | stew | Remote1: find out which glibc version they are compiling against and which gcc they are successfully using |
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| 18:46.51 | babilen | CooLMaN: I am sure you can find it somewhere in "Preferences->Login Manager" or so ... |
| 18:46.53 | Remote1 | stew: No, that is what they are using to compile it on this machine |
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| 18:47.24 | babilen | CooLMaN: Is 'gdmsetup' what you were looking for? |
| 18:47.30 | hoxu | any suggestions for photo management (tagging of people etc)? |
| 18:47.30 | stew | Remote1: find out which one works and which glibc works, its probably requires a different glibc (the libc6-dev package in debain) (since that's where in_addr is defined |
| 18:47.31 | CooLMaN | no |
| 18:48.21 | CooLMaN | i had this problems many time, and i find that the best solution is to re install the system |
| 18:49.32 | CooLMaN | so i think ill try to work like that or reinstall debian, |
| 18:49.47 | CooLMaN | and the last questions please |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | hoxu: f-spot if you like gnome/mono can do that |
| 18:50.23 | hoxu | abrotman, AUGH! |
| 18:50.36 | CooLMaN | i have a drivers problem with my VGA |
| 18:50.45 | abrotman | hoxu: i'm just saying .. jeez |
| 18:51.09 | babilen | CooLMaN: I am sure that you can change the language on the login screen. |
| 18:51.10 | abrotman | hoxu: http://f-spot.org/Features |
| 18:51.20 | Remote1 | stew: libc6-dev is installed |
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| 18:51.56 | abrotman | Remote1: that's not what he's asking you .. he's asking you to find out which platform the other people use where it compiles correctly |
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| 18:53.08 | CooLMaN | babilen: i know if tried again we will do it, but i had a few broplems from installing other faces x ,kde, so i;ll format |
| 18:53.32 | babilen | CooLMaN: What kind of graphics card do you have? It would be great if you could post the output of 'lspci -nn' on http://paste.debian.org |
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| 18:54.37 | babilen | CooLMaN: ok, if you think that a reinstall is the right thing to do go for it. But I am sure that you can solve your problems without that. |
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| 18:55.35 | Remote1 | stew: 3.4 |
| 18:55.44 | abrotman | he asked more than that |
| 18:55.50 | CooLMaN | babilen: i dont know why but with the new login the pc didnt identify my wifi card |
| 18:55.57 | CooLMaN | ca you beleave that? |
| 18:56.17 | CooLMaN | can* |
| 18:56.20 | babilen | yes i believe |
| 18:56.22 | Remote1 | abrotman: ? they said version 3.4 |
| 18:56.46 | CooLMaN | so i cant past the out put |
| 18:56.53 | abrotman | Remote1: he also asked for their libc6 version (and ;probably ask them which distro they're using) |
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| 18:57.09 | babilen | CooLMaN: paste the output of 'lspci -nn' somewhere. I'll be gone for some time, but there are plenty of friendly people in here that are eager to help you ;-D |
| 18:57.23 | babilen | !tell CooLMaN -about paste |
| 18:57.46 | CooLMaN | babilen: ok, noproblem, thank you very much for help |
| 18:58.32 | newsense | where can i find what information i need to include in a bug report ? |
| 18:59.04 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 18:59.30 | newsense | abrotman: thanks, my first one so i'd like to make it look well written |
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| 19:05.00 | gewt | why is networking NOT working? |
| 19:05.02 | gewt | it worked before. |
| 19:06.43 | newsense | is there an app that cleans up traces left behind by purged packages ? |
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| 19:07.07 | dvs | newsense: dpkg -P |
| 19:07.21 | pingouin | dpkg -P0rn |
| 19:07.33 | dvs | not quite ;-) |
| 19:07.37 | newsense | dvs: package is purged already |
| 19:07.46 | maligor | newsense, how would anything do that? |
| 19:07.54 | newsense | i still have files in /etc and user and group created by said package |
| 19:08.23 | dvs | newsense: then the packages have not been purged. The -P option will remove the configuration files. |
| 19:08.33 | newsense | maligor: easy install the app and it keeps logs of where stuff is unpacked and if a purge doesn't get it all the app will |
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| 19:08.46 | newsense | dvs: it's gone i can't use dpkg -P |
| 19:09.07 | newsense | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove logcheck which isn't installed. |
| 19:09.07 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, newsense |
| 19:09.32 | maligor | newsense, well, the group removal would have to be a script specified in the uninstall |
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| 19:09.43 | maligor | but if the package doesn't do it, how would any random tool? |
| 19:10.06 | AimHere | dpkg: reverse the neutron flow on the positron stabilizers |
| 19:10.12 | newsense | maligor: i don't program so i couldn't tell you |
| 19:10.22 | iluminator101 | i get this error when i try to start jdownloader |
| 19:10.25 | iluminator101 | Javacheck: Wrong Java Version! JDownloader needs at least Java 1.5 or higher! |
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| 19:11.02 | AimHere | Heh, dpkg parsed MY sentence, although it refused to comply |
| 19:11.20 | maligor | newsense, so you're saying there should be extra metadata stored so you can remove redunant files? |
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| 19:12.00 | newsense | maligor: yeah |
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| 19:12.24 | newsense | maligor: what's so hard about having an uninstall script that removes these things ? |
| 19:12.39 | maligor | newsense, the debian format supports that fine |
| 19:12.43 | iluminator101 | how do i delete open java |
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| 19:12.50 | newsense | dpkg - |
| 19:12.50 | dpkg | hmm... - is this something later than 10-10-01 source ? |
| 19:12.54 | newsense | dpkg -P |
| 19:12.55 | dpkg | i don't know, newsense |
| 19:13.03 | newsense | answer to all problems debian |
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| 19:13.22 | dvs | iluminator101: why delete it? Do you want to use another Java? |
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| 19:14.06 | maligor | newsense, I don't really know the package script policies, so I can't comment why it doesn't do it |
| 19:14.27 | maligor | removing a group would be tricky tho |
| 19:14.39 | newsense | i don't either but now i'm going through my dir's looking for leftover crap |
| 19:14.48 | newsense | delgroup logcheck done right ? |
| 19:14.50 | maligor | if there was any left over files and someone makes a new group that uses the same id, you'll have the group owning it |
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| 19:16.01 | \amethyst | find / -nogroup |
| 19:16.20 | dvs | !ops Poobuntu is spamming |
| 19:16.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dvs complains about: Poobuntu is spamming |
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| 19:16.26 | newsense | \amethyst: thanks |
| 19:16.36 | Poobuntu | I am not |
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| 19:16.42 | Poobuntu | I haven't even said anything! |
| 19:16.45 | newsense | haha |
| 19:16.46 | maligor | amusing |
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| 19:16.57 | newsense | op abuse ? |
| 19:16.59 | maligor | you'll probably get K-lined here for that |
| 19:17.14 | gewt | notwe |
| 19:17.15 | maligor | no, it wasn't abuse, he's spamming |
| 19:17.16 | gewt | it's the installer |
| 19:17.17 | dvs | <Poobuntu>Tired of NIGGERS? Sick of their monkeyshines? Would you rather never have to deal with the fecal-colored beast? Then you are not alone! Join us at Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum At Chimpout WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! We welcome anybody who isn't a NIGGER and who HATES NIGGERS! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 19:17.19 | gewt | it worked ONCE |
| 19:17.24 | gewt | now it doesn't work anymore! |
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| 19:17.56 | newsense | ahh one of our good friends from chimpout |
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| 19:18.14 | AimHere | I think I preferred the GNAA |
| 19:18.17 | gewt | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 |
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| 19:21.20 | Justin | gewt: how many networking interfaces do you have? |
| 19:21.29 | gewt | one wired and one wireless |
| 19:21.31 | gewt | it worked ONCE |
| 19:21.36 | gewt | now it doesn't work anymore. |
| 19:22.00 | maligor | is the issue on wired? |
| 19:22.07 | gewt | yes |
| 19:22.16 | gewt | on the installer. |
| 19:22.33 | maligor | you should check dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 19:22.58 | maligor | for anything odd |
| 19:23.02 | newsense | where can i get an official debian lenny dvd torrent from ? |
| 19:23.05 | gewt | eth0: link down |
| 19:23.09 | gewt | no clue why. |
| 19:23.18 | Justin | gewt: cable is unplugged |
| 19:23.30 | newsense | the tracker for the torrent linked on debian.org is down |
| 19:23.44 | gewt | Justin, it's plugged in... |
| 19:24.14 | Justin | gewt: on both ends? |
| 19:24.31 | dvs | newsense: This link works for me: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 19:24.38 | gewt | Justin, mhm |
| 19:24.41 | newsense | dvs: link works the tracker is down |
| 19:24.51 | Justin | gewt: do you have linklights on both ends? |
| 19:25.11 | maligor | gewt, does it show a message like: [ 40.766230] sky2 eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control rx |
| 19:25.21 | gewt | maligor, heh, no |
| 19:25.33 | maligor | so it's not detecting the link |
| 19:25.44 | maligor | try another cable? |
| 19:25.52 | gewt | I'll try again |
| 19:25.57 | gewt | with a non-fucked up cable |
| 19:26.16 | newsense | haha, yeah the one the dog didn't use as a chew toy |
| 19:26.46 | gewt | and one that actually stays in the plug. |
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| 19:27.02 | gewt | guess other systems are a bit less touchy. |
| 19:27.05 | maligor | oh, plasic clips come off of it? |
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| 19:27.39 | gewt | dmesg | grep eth0 doesn't show anything about the link being up... |
| 19:27.45 | gewt | wait |
| 19:27.50 | gewt | helps to load the module first... |
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| 19:28.40 | gewt | eth0: link down |
| 19:28.45 | gewt | it refuses to bring the link up... |
| 19:28.58 | gewt | yet it's plugged in and lit at the other end |
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| 19:29.28 | nsadmin | it's not lit at your machine's nic? |
| 19:29.42 | PyroPhelia | what would cause mdmadm to check an array? according to mdstat it's checking one of my arrays and I didn't envoke it. what is it doing? |
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| 19:30.35 | gewt | r8169 != RTL8101E/RTL8102E... |
| 19:30.42 | gewt | it's loading the wrong driver? o_O |
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| 19:31.22 | maligor | r8169.c: RealTek 8169/8168/8101 ethernet driver |
| 19:31.28 | gewt | ah. |
| 19:31.33 | gewt | but still |
| 19:31.36 | gewt | why does it work once. |
| 19:31.38 | gewt | and never again? |
| 19:31.56 | gewt | maybe due to the wireless NIC? |
| 19:32.10 | maligor | no, that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 19:32.33 | gewt | it was able to use dhcp ONCE |
| 19:32.36 | gewt | and never again. |
| 19:32.52 | maligor | I don't suppose it has mii-tool? |
| 19:32.53 | gewt | tries from windows, then attemopts install again |
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| 19:33.11 | maligor | if it's the install image |
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| 19:33.26 | nsadmin | gewt: what's the status of your installation now? |
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| 19:34.46 | gewt | worked from windows. |
| 19:34.52 | gewt | nsadmin, not installing. |
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| 19:35.15 | nsadmin | gewt: are you in that debian now? |
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| 19:35.35 | gewt | no |
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| 19:35.55 | nsadmin | ok, do you have a separate machine you can get here on? |
| 19:36.03 | gewt | that's what i'm doing. |
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| 19:36.11 | gewt | I'm installing to a seperate machine. |
| 19:36.12 | gewt | :P |
| 19:36.17 | centHOGG | using filezilla for ftp client |
| 19:36.36 | nsadmin | ok, so you're here now on one machine and installing to another |
| 19:36.51 | gewt | yes. |
| 19:37.00 | Naomi__ | I have installed debian on a android phone (G1) I want to use the gps, how do I find where it is mounted? |
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| 19:37.50 | mischief | anyone know some sort of program to format C code? |
| 19:38.03 | nsadmin | Naomi__: if it's actually mounted, try mount |
| 19:38.35 | nsadmin | mischief: lots and lots of choices. |
| 19:38.48 | dutchfish | mischief, indent -kr sourcefoo.c |
| 19:39.01 | gewt | tries netinst instead of businesscard |
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| 19:39.26 | Naomi__ | nsadmin hmm seems not. Would you expect it to be? ( I have never used gps before) |
| 19:39.29 | nsadmin | good idea; you coudl install the base from the cd and go from there |
| 19:39.50 | mischief | thanks dutchfish |
| 19:39.53 | nsadmin | Naomi__: just going by your word "mount" |
| 19:40.22 | Naomi__ | nsadmin, sure I appriciate that |
| 19:40.22 | nsadmin | mount has a specific meaning: the joining of a filesystem to a mount point (a dir) |
| 19:40.23 | dutchfish | mischief, universalindentgui is another option |
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| 19:41.13 | nsadmin | but dunno if the gps is a filesystem or not |
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| 19:41.31 | nsadmin | plus, does it have maps? also, is the phone dual-boot? |
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| 19:41.51 | Naomi__ | not dual boot as such |
| 19:41.57 | Naomi__ | a chroot |
| 19:42.15 | nsadmin | oh, so debian is running in a chroot of the original os? |
| 19:42.33 | Naomi__ | nsadmin yes |
| 19:42.37 | Naomi__ | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
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| 19:43.24 | nsadmin | since it's a chroot, mounts that are present on the original system are not visible inside the chroot |
| 19:43.25 | nsadmin | but |
| 19:43.42 | nsadmin | are we both sure that gps is mounted by definition? |
| 19:43.54 | Naomi__ | no not sure at all |
| 19:44.13 | nsadmin | ok, so since you have it in a chroot, |
| 19:44.36 | nsadmin | is linux running outside the chroot? |
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| 19:44.56 | nsadmin | btw, how much was that phone? |
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| 19:45.13 | Naomi__ | ?130 |
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| 19:45.38 | Naomi__ | android is basically nix I think |
| 19:46.05 | nsadmin | do you have shell access outside the chroot? |
| 19:46.16 | Naomi__ | yes |
| 19:46.26 | nsadmin | ok, try running uname -a |
| 19:46.29 | nsadmin | outside |
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| 19:47.05 | nsadmin | (but I'm pretty sure it has to be linux for debian to work...) |
| 19:47.26 | nsadmin | if it's a chroot, then the kernel running outside is what's running |
| 19:47.39 | Naomi__ | blah blah arml GNU/lunux |
| 19:47.43 | Naomi__ | linux |
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| 19:47.47 | gewt | SAME FUCKIGN RETARDED SHIT WITH THE NETINST |
| 19:47.49 | jhutchins | chroot is linux, it keeps the same kernel image but changes where it looks for the root filesystem. |
| 19:47.53 | gewt | IT SHOULD FUCKING BE WORKING |
| 19:47.57 | gewt | it worked ONCE |
| 19:48.23 | centHOGG | y |
| 19:48.26 | Naomi__ | so I should have access to all the hardware... |
| 19:48.45 | Naomi__ | yes it is a linux kernel |
| 19:48.50 | nsadmin | so once you calm down and state what didn't work and how you tried to install, we can go from there. |
| 19:48.50 | gewt | I'm uh |
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| 19:48.57 | gewt | NOT downloading all 9001 CDs |
| 19:48.58 | gewt | or a dvd |
| 19:49.10 | nsadmin | not asking you to |
| 19:49.18 | nsadmin | did you try to configure the net? |
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| 19:49.23 | nsadmin | during install |
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| 19:49.34 | gewt | downloads the first two |
| 19:49.41 | gewt | nsadmin, it's not bring the interface up |
| 19:50.04 | centHOGG | gewt: hi, verify your net is working with a livecd |
| 19:50.14 | centHOGG | then try it |
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| 19:50.31 | gewt | grabs kubuntu livecd |
| 19:50.38 | centHOGG | using filezilla for ftp client |
| 19:50.57 | nsadmin | Naomi__: ok, run mount outside the chroot and see what's there... perhaps the device names, filesystem type names or mount point names would suggest what hardware is "mounted" in order to access it |
| 19:51.16 | gewt | hey! it's what I have lying around |
| 19:51.44 | nsadmin | gewt: if you don't specify what you did when you installed, we won't know, and can't help. |
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| 19:51.56 | gewt | I tried to sie dhcp |
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| 19:52.04 | jhutchins | gewt: If you get kubuntu working, try figuring out what it did differently. It may use a different kernel, with different patches, and it may include non-free firmware files that the card requires. |
| 19:52.12 | gewt | dmesg | grep eth0 shows link down |
| 19:52.13 | nsadmin | ok, so you tried to configure the net. |
| 19:52.20 | emma | unquery |
| 19:52.24 | gewt | jhutchins, it worked ONCE |
| 19:52.30 | gewt | then hasn't worked afterwards |
| 19:52.33 | jhutchins | gewt: As far as the installer goes, a netinstall should be no different from a CD/DVD install. |
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| 19:52.54 | jhutchins | gewt: Realtec chips? |
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| 19:53.09 | nsadmin | gewt: are you in linux now on the machine in question? |
| 19:53.09 | gewt | yes. |
| 19:53.13 | gewt | realtek |
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| 19:53.39 | nsadmin | if so, run lspci -nn |
| 19:53.40 | nike | I've got a thinkpad with debian sid and the print screen button isnt saving a snapshot of the screen to the clipboard |
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| 19:53.47 | gewt | RTL8101E/RTL8102E |
| 19:53.49 | jhutchins | gewt: It's entirely possible that you are the first person to ever install this version of Debian on this particular chipset. |
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| 19:53.55 | nsadmin | find the line that describes the net card |
| 19:54.05 | gewt | nsadmin, look above |
| 19:54.06 | nsadmin | show the pciid |
| 19:54.15 | gewt | uh |
| 19:54.17 | gewt | okay |
| 19:54.33 | stew | judd: pciname RTL8101E |
| 19:54.35 | judd | stew: 'RTL8101E' matched: [10ec:8136] 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' |
| 19:55.00 | nike | how can I print screen? |
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| 19:55.16 | gewt | nike, take a picture |
| 19:55.18 | gewt | import the image |
| 19:55.20 | gewt | and print it |
| 19:55.20 | nike | if the software doesnt |
| 19:55.25 | stew | nike: you mean take a screenshot? |
| 19:55.25 | jhutchins | Hm, msi wind uses this chipset. |
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| 19:55.42 | nike | stew: yeah |
| 19:55.46 | stew | dpkg: screenshot |
| 19:55.47 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. |
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| 19:56.09 | jhutchins | gewt: Do you know what kernel you ended up with? (uname -r) |
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| 19:56.13 | gewt | worked fine in kubuntu. |
| 19:56.22 | gewt | jhutchins, 2.6.26-486 I think |
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| 19:56.48 | gewt | booted livecd, networking worked |
| 19:56.48 | nsadmin | Naomi__: still here? |
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| 19:57.32 | nsadmin | gewt: does it work during install? |
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| 19:57.49 | gewt | no |
| 19:57.54 | Naomi__ | nsadmin yes |
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| 19:58.01 | gewt | it shows link as down |
| 19:58.03 | Naomi__ | just doing some googlin |
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| 19:58.18 | nsadmin | ok, then try netinstall and this time -do not- configure network: that is, leave network unconfigured |
| 19:58.26 | jhutchins | gewt: I think the 686 kernel has some problems with Realtec's... |
| 19:58.27 | nsadmin | let it install base from cd |
| 19:58.34 | nsadmin | then reboot into it |
| 19:58.35 | Naomi__ | I tried mount on the android OS - nothing obviously a gps device |
| 19:58.46 | iceroot | is there a command to move swap back to ram? if free ram > used swap |
| 19:58.47 | gewt | okay. |
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| 19:59.09 | Naomi__ | I am asking some further questions in android channel |
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| 19:59.29 | Naomi__ | I will come back when I have a more Debian specific question |
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| 20:00.07 | BlueG | I have a machine here running Debian Lenny that when I try to install gnote it says there is no matching package name or description. I don't understand why, it should be a valid package, I see a proper line for lenny main in sources.list... aptitude update doesn't fix it. Could there be some kind of database or cache corruption that might cause this? How might I try to fix it? |
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| 20:00.30 | jhutchins | gewt: So you're in Lenny. That chipset is reported to work. I believe you said that it has worked reliably in Windows? |
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| 20:00.38 | jhutchins | gewt: Does this system dual-boot? |
| 20:00.47 | nsadmin | at -minimum-, you'll get a debian that is capable of installing .debs (but not the ability to download or otherwise use the net until we figure out what's going on) |
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| 20:01.33 | gewt | jhutchins, it's GOING to dualboot. |
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| 20:02.10 | jhutchins | gewt: Ah, no Windows yet? |
| 20:02.53 | gewt | well |
| 20:02.55 | gewt | it HAS windows |
| 20:02.59 | gewt | i'm installing debian. |
| 20:03.00 | gewt | :p |
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| 20:04.05 | jhutchins | gewt: Ok, and the connection works reliably in Windows, right? |
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| 20:04.30 | jhutchins | gewt: Need to know for sure which kernel you have, and the output of "lsmod | grep r81" |
| 20:04.45 | gewt | jhutchins, yes |
| 20:04.56 | gewt | 2.6.26-2-486 |
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| 20:05.30 | gewt | r8169 23556 0 |
| 20:05.43 | gewt | ............ |
| 20:05.51 | gewt | "FAILED TP DETERMINE CODENAME FOR THIS RELEASE" |
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| 20:06.56 | gewt | so much for netinstall working! |
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| 20:07.09 | gewt | by just installing the base system... |
| 20:07.18 | jhutchins | gewt: Ok, there's the problem, the r8169 driver won't work on the r8101 chipset. |
| 20:07.22 | jhutchins | gewt: Known problem. |
| 20:07.31 | jhutchins | gewt: locate r8101 |
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| 20:08.04 | jhutchins | gewt: You should get nothing. |
| 20:08.19 | nsadmin | which means he needs a different kernel? |
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| 20:08.48 | gewt | jhutchinsm mhm |
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| 20:10.31 | jhutchins | gewt: Unfortunately, you're going to need a build environment for the 2.6.26-2 kernel. Any way you can think of getting that? Any chance of getting a different network adapater, at least temporarily? |
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| 20:11.29 | gewt | jhutchins, no |
| 20:11.44 | gewt | I'll just download cg1 and cd2 and install that way... |
| 20:11.59 | gewt | wastes 2 more hours |
| 20:12.27 | centHOGG | welcomes gewt to linux |
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| 20:13.46 | setuid | Does anyone know where there might be a version of Subversion 1.6.5 or later for Debian? |
| 20:14.01 | setuid | I'm running 5.0.3 on this particular server |
| 20:14.02 | gewt | or. |
| 20:14.07 | gewt | I could debootstrap from the livecd |
| 20:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: That probably won't work... |
| 20:14.30 | centHOGG | isn't that called "ubuntu" |
| 20:14.52 | setuid | Ubuntu... from the ancient African phrase that means "Can't install Debian" :) |
| 20:14.53 | gewt | aww |
| 20:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: the r8101 driver isn't included in any of the releases I know of, but maybe the 8169 driver works from some versions and not from others. |
| 20:15.05 | gewt | it worked once. |
| 20:15.08 | centHOGG | grins |
| 20:15.11 | gewt | :D |
| 20:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: Yeah, reports are that it's extremely unreliable, you get lots of transmit errors. |
| 20:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: We had a realtec that had a similar problem, it could _send_ just fine but didn't receive anything until I built the driver. |
| 20:16.11 | jhutchins_lt | I think that was 8168 vs 8169. |
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| 20:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: Your two choices are going to be either find someone who can build the driver for that kernel, or find a different kernel where the driver works. |
| 20:18.52 | nsadmin | so he has to build the driver... |
| 20:19.15 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Which would be great, except how does he get build-essentials onto a box without networking? |
| 20:19.28 | nsadmin | there's one way... |
| 20:19.40 | nsadmin | get the cd that has it all present |
| 20:19.58 | nsadmin | but as you say another choice is to find a kernel already build with it |
| 20:20.05 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: nsadmin means that if you download the full CD, you can install build-essentials from that. |
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| 20:20.39 | jhutchins_lt | I don't have a build environment for that kernel here. I may be able to check a remote server in a little bit to see if it has that kernel. |
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| 20:20.51 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt which driver were you saying is unreliable? |
| 20:21.02 | Baegle | is there a way to query dpkg to find out what has been installed from a particular repository? |
| 20:21.17 | jhutchins_lt | If someone _did_ have a build environment for 2.6.26-2-586 they might take pity and compile it for him. |
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| 20:21.38 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: 2.6.26-2 r8169 running on r8101 chips. |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | !tell Baegle about which repo |
| 20:22.02 | nsadmin | so if he had r8101 driver, that would work? |
| 20:22.21 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: It _almost_ works, which is what gewt experienced. I had a similar experience with a different Realtec card & driver. |
| 20:23.46 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Yes. |
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| 20:25.37 | nsadmin | hmm, didn't quite parse that... so "2.6.26-2 r8169 running on r8101 chips" is what _almost_ works, and r8101 driver on whatever kernel is what works? |
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| 20:30.14 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 20:30.22 | nsadmin | ok thanks. |
| 20:30.41 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: It _looks_ like there is a driver from earlier kernels that works too, which is probably how the live CD is working for him. |
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| 20:31.13 | nsadmin | so it would be instructive to see the lsmod output from that |
| 20:31.58 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, from the working env? Yeah.. |
| 20:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: ? |
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| 20:32.21 | Gambaroin | What's the problem when I get [12323.291531] EXT3-fs: sdb1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).? |
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| 20:33.22 | nsadmin | !calc 12323 / 60 / 60 |
| 20:33.50 | Justin | dpkg: 12323 / 60 / 60 |
| 20:33.51 | dpkg | 3.423055555556 |
| 20:33.51 | keith4_ | 3.423055556 |
| 20:34.18 | The_Toxic_Mite | Hey everyone, I am having trouble compiling my wireless drivers. |
| 20:34.25 | nsadmin | so it's been up about 3 hrs 25 mins |
| 20:34.35 | abrotman | The_Toxic_Mite: which card? which driver? |
| 20:35.09 | The_Toxic_Mite | abrotman, It's a Belkin F6D4050 USB dongle which apparently uses the Ralink RT2870 chipset |
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| 20:35.42 | abrotman | !tell The_Toxic_Mite about rt2870 |
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| 20:36.58 | The_Toxic_Mite | abrotman, Ah, uname -r comes up with .26 instead of .29 |
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| 20:37.11 | jhutchins_lt | Gambaroin: Either the filesystem on sdb1 isn't what your system thinks it is, or it has some optional ext3 features enabled that your system doesn't support. |
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| 20:37.25 | The_Toxic_Mite | abrotman, a wired connection isn't suitable BTW |
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| 20:38.41 | gewt | ? |
| 20:38.47 | gewt | downloading disk one |
| 20:38.49 | abrotman | The_Toxic_Mite: you can try the .30 from backports.org |
| 20:39.16 | jhutchins_lt | The_Toxic_Mite: Anything greater than 26 is going to be from backports or some other alternate source. |
| 20:39.23 | nsadmin | abrotman: how could I see the .config for that kernel? |
| 20:39.27 | The_Toxic_Mite | abrotman, jhutchins ok |
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| 20:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: So what's the system's status now? Does it have an installation on it? |
| 20:40.46 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: the kernel config files should be in /boot |
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| 20:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: I have a 2.6.26-2-686 build environment, we could try that. |
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| 20:41.50 | nsadmin | what cpu does he have? |
| 20:41.51 | The_Toxic_Mite | Right, I have 8 results from the backports search "linux 2.6.30 686", and I have 8 results - do I install every one of them? |
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| 20:42.17 | reber | hi all. Did anyone know a good software to create animated cartoons please ? |
| 20:42.22 | The_Toxic_Mite | Some are headers, some are images |
| 20:42.33 | nsadmin | The_Toxic_Mite: hell no :) |
| 20:42.50 | nsadmin | you might want one kernel and one headers pkg |
| 20:42.55 | The_Toxic_Mite | ok |
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| 20:43.03 | nsadmin | and the versions should match |
| 20:43.59 | The_Toxic_Mite | What is "bigmem"??? :? |
| 20:44.07 | nsadmin | mem |
| 20:44.10 | nsadmin | tha's big |
| 20:44.18 | The_Toxic_Mite | ah |
| 20:44.21 | nsadmin | > 4f |
| 20:44.26 | nsadmin | 4g |
| 20:44.45 | nsadmin | but what cpu do you have? |
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| 20:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | The_Toxic_Mite: Only need the headers if you're building stuff. |
| 20:45.10 | The_Toxic_Mite | jhutchins, ok |
| 20:46.55 | Atomix | hello, anyone can help me with my mysql server not enableing innodb support while my my.cnf looks good ? I'm a bit confused since it was working in the past without any problem, i'll be happy if someone could help me via PM. Thanks |
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| 20:48.08 | The_Toxic_Mite | jhutchins, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 - would that be the one to go for? (sorry for my stupidity lol) |
| 20:48.13 | nsadmin | Atomix: generally help by pm is not supported... see: /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:48.27 | Atomix | oh sorry |
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| 20:48.50 | abrotman | Atomix: in Debian ? |
| 20:49.00 | Atomix | well, i'm a bit confused at what my.cnf my sql server is using http://pastebin.com/m4e71cadb |
| 20:49.02 | Atomix | yeah debian 5.0 |
| 20:49.22 | Atomix | i also have my my.cnf pasted if you wanna see it |
| 20:49.29 | abrotman | it should be using hte first one |
| 20:49.36 | nsadmin | just as an aside, you might want to get familiar with postgresql |
| 20:50.13 | Atomix | never heard of this |
| 20:50.34 | gewt | jhutchins, i'll just use cd1 to install |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | that's not helpful here ... even if it is a better database |
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| 20:50.42 | gewt | 8 mionutes left on that download |
| 20:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | The_Toxic_Mite: You want linux-image-<version> - that's the actual kernel. |
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| 20:51.25 | Atomix | well, take a look at my my.cnf http://pastebin.com/m7497d0a |
| 20:51.44 | Atomix | i really don't see what's wrong, innodb isn't available via ssh cmds or via phpmyadmin |
| 20:51.59 | abrotman | Atomix: are you sure this worked bvefore ? |
| 20:52.25 | abrotman | Atomix: i thought that the debina mysql packages didn't have innodb enabled |
| 20:52.33 | Atomix | well, i was rarely using innodb in the past(about 2 years ago) but i really need it now |
| 20:52.33 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: Ok, well, my build environment isn't current anyway, so I'll let you figure it out. You may end up installing build-essential off the CD's, downloading the r8101 source from a google search, and building your first kernel module! |
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| 20:52.55 | Atomix | i used apt-get to install mysql last time i had a problem with it |
| 20:53.04 | nsadmin | wouldn't switching to innodb involve a dump and restore? |
| 20:53.21 | Atomix | i was able to use myisam + innodb 2 years ago with this config |
| 20:53.25 | gewt | jhutchins_lt, i've built modules before. |
| 20:53.26 | gewt | :p |
| 20:53.27 | Atomix | i need to keep both engines supported |
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| 20:53.32 | gewt | hell, i've built my own kernel |
| 20:53.40 | gewt | http://files.gewt.net/kernel-custom/ |
| 20:53.57 | gewt | (note: don't run it: likely to cause pain and kill your wife and kids) |
| 20:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | gewt: You should be fine then. |
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| 20:54.28 | setuid | http://blog.gnu-designs.com/building-custom-kernels-for-ubuntu |
| 20:54.32 | setuid | Works with Debian and Ubuntu |
| 20:55.11 | abrotman | Atomix: i'm pretty sure it doens't have it .. try reading hte docs in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/ or whatever it is |
| 20:55.18 | abrotman | setuid: why are you showing us ? |
| 20:55.27 | Atomix | alright, i'm going to take a look at it |
| 20:55.42 | abrotman | setuid: that tutorial is broken |
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| 20:56.26 | setuid | broken? |
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| 20:59.44 | Raazeer | hello all, I need gtkglarea for some compilation, and since there is no package in lenny or squeeze, I compiled myself. |
| 21:00.03 | Raazeer | still, the configure-script couldn't find it, what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:00.17 | abrotman | it's probably looking for the headers |
| 21:00.27 | keith4_ | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gtkglarea5-dev |
| 21:00.33 | keith4_ | looks like it's in lenny, to me |
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| 21:01.23 | Raazeer | hey, it is, I must have done something wrong. |
| 21:01.26 | Raazeer | thanks for the hint. |
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| 21:04.31 | Raazeer | it compiled, thanks for the help. |
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| 21:13.53 | gewt | I just need wireless long enough to install wired. |
| 21:13.57 | gewt | errr |
| 21:14.03 | gewt | wired long enough to steup wireless |
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| 21:14.16 | nsadmin | so can you get that? |
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| 21:14.22 | gewt | probably. |
| 21:14.35 | gewt | can always install via chroot |
| 21:14.40 | gewt | if neccessarry. |
| 21:14.41 | gewt | wait. |
| 21:14.45 | gewt | that requires networking. |
| 21:14.47 | nsadmin | what is it you need |
| 21:15.26 | gewt | lemme finish the install first. |
| 21:15.26 | gewt | :P |
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| 21:16.27 | lotus-blade | is the a peice of software out there that allows you to mount an iso image as if it were the actuall cd? |
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| 21:16.38 | konr | How can I remove all I can from /tmp/ without compromising any file that might be in use? |
| 21:16.39 | AimHere | Yes. It's called 'mount' |
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| 21:17.16 | AimHere | 'man mount' for more, though it involves the '-o loop' parameter, IIRC |
| 21:17.18 | nsadmin | lotus-blade: specifically you need the loop device |
| 21:18.36 | newsense | yeah mount -o lopp file.iso /mnt/point |
| 21:18.40 | newsense | iirc |
| 21:18.50 | newsense | s/lopp/loop |
| 21:19.05 | AimHere | If it complains, you might need '-t iso9660' as well |
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| 21:19.52 | paissad-hp | does someone know the program which program prints the [OK] during system boot ? |
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| 21:20.26 | paissad-hp | for example: nfs-kernel-server starting ....... [OK] |
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| 21:21.45 | babilen | paissad-hp: lsb-base (/lib/lsb/init-functions) |
| 21:21.54 | babilen | paissad-hp: what are you trying to do though? |
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| 21:22.12 | newsense | paissad-hp: i have seen it on other distros maybe bootsplash ? |
| 21:22.59 | paissad-hp | babilen, i've searched into that file before, there's no OK string into that file, maybe in another file included during the call |
| 21:23.02 | gewt | how EXACTLY would I get the module I ened to build? |
| 21:23.03 | gewt | >.> |
| 21:23.13 | paissad-hp | newsense, yes, bootsplash maybe, i thought about it |
| 21:23.20 | babilen | paissad-hp: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:23.24 | gewt | RTL8101E! |
| 21:23.32 | newsense | paissad-hp: i think its a simplistic bootsplash or splashy theme maybe |
| 21:23.40 | babilen | gewt: paste 'lspci -nn' |
| 21:23.50 | paissad-hp | babilen, something not really important, modifying the color of the "ok" ^^ |
| 21:24.00 | babilen | paissad-hp: ah ... |
| 21:24.04 | babilen | paissad-hp: one second .. |
| 21:24.06 | paissad-hp | newsense, splashy ... |
| 21:24.36 | newsense | boot splash system |
| 21:24.50 | paissad-hp | what ? |
| 21:24.52 | gewt | babilen, err |
| 21:25.00 | gewt | how would I do that? no networking! |
| 21:25.11 | newsense | i believe that's where you're getting the clean boot screen with the nice formatted lines with the ok's right ? |
| 21:25.37 | gewt | RTL8101E/RTL8102E |
| 21:25.39 | gewt | is the card. |
| 21:26.00 | paissad-hp | newsense, i don't remember really if i had the [OK] before i install splashy .. i think that's a splashy feature , |
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| 21:27.03 | newsense | paissad-hp: i would start looking there, i'm not 100% sure but sounds right to me |
| 21:27.47 | babilen | gewt: ok, run 'lspci -nn' there should be the pciid in the end [1234:asdb] we need that |
| 21:28.57 | gewt | 10ec:8136 |
| 21:29.05 | babilen | paissad-hp: hmm, not sure then. I thought it was that file, but I just had a look at it and could not find the actual string in there .. |
| 21:29.19 | babilen | judd: pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 21:29.21 | judd | babilen: [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 21:29.31 | babilen | !r8169 |
| 21:29.32 | dpkg | [r8169] the RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for the RTL8168D v1 and v2 was removed from this driver; not packaged for Debian as there is no clear redistribution permission (Debian bug #561309). Both versions will operate without firmware from userspace as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3. See also <rtl8101e>. |
| 21:30.00 | gewt | 8169 does NOT work correctly for me. |
| 21:30.27 | gewt | !rtl8101e |
| 21:30.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtl8101e is the RealTek RTL8101E Fast Ethernet controller. It is not supported by the r8169 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. For device support during Debian installation, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <install lenny>. See also Debian bug #499763. |
| 21:30.46 | babilen | gewt: do you get any errors in dmesg when you 'modprobe -r r8169 && modprobe r8169' (firmware?) |
| 21:30.58 | babilen | gewt: "dmesg | tail -n 23' |
| 21:30.59 | gewt | babilen, no. |
| 21:31.04 | gewt | the network card just doesn't work. |
| 21:31.46 | babilen | gewt: But the module loads perfectly? |
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| 21:32.05 | gewt | babilen, mhm |
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| 21:32.26 | babilen | mhm? |
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| 21:32.31 | sphenxes | How can I start stunnel on boot? |
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| 21:33.25 | paissad-hp | babilen, newsense apt-file list splashy | awk -F ':[[:space:]]' '{ print $2 }' | xargs egrep -l OK {} 2> /dev/null | pastebinit - |
| 21:33.25 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f367ee375 |
| 21:33.34 | gewt | compiles dirver |
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| 21:33.52 | newsense_ | paissad-hp: i installed it and you can change it in the themes xml file |
| 21:34.10 | newsense_ | paissad-hp: and splashy did provide the ok bar etc |
| 21:34.46 | babilen | gewt: ? |
| 21:35.04 | newsense_ | paissad-hp: /etc/splashy/themes/ |
| 21:35.10 | docmax | hello, i need a fast easy slick ftp server with gui, any suggestions? |
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| 21:36.05 | gewt | 9I'm compiling the driver manually. |
| 21:36.06 | gewt | :p |
| 21:36.15 | dondelelcaro | docmax: that's a contradiction |
| 21:36.51 | nsadmin | docmax: note that ftp is not a good choice if you're entering passwords |
| 21:37.01 | babilen | !tell docmax -about ftpd |
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| 21:37.42 | babilen | docmax: and why would you want a server with a gui? |
| 21:38.20 | Naomi__ | docmax ebox |
| 21:38.28 | nsadmin | gui is a lot more stuff to install on a server box |
| 21:38.46 | Naomi__ | ebox is a web based admin system |
| 21:38.59 | docmax | i need to send someone a file |
| 21:39.07 | docmax | dont know which way to choose |
| 21:39.13 | docmax | messengers are slow |
| 21:39.17 | nsadmin | email? |
| 21:39.23 | docmax | its 4 GB |
| 21:39.33 | nsadmin | not email |
| 21:39.36 | gewt | hoyl shit |
| 21:39.38 | gewt | it fucking worked |
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| 21:39.59 | docmax | whats the best way trough internet? |
| 21:40.30 | nsadmin | burn a dvd and mail it to him! |
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| 21:42.04 | docmax | ebox? |
| 21:42.05 | Naomi__ | docmax https://www.dropbox.com/pricing |
| 21:42.23 | Naomi__ | split the file in 2 and set up 2 accounts, or pay.. |
| 21:42.48 | gewt | woo... |
| 21:42.52 | gewt | downloading 500MB for gnome. |
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| 21:42.58 | gewt | to setup wireless |
| 21:44.02 | newsense_ | gewt: coulda downloaded wpasupplicant and skipped gnome |
| 21:44.35 | babilen | gewt: install wpasupplicant and read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.* |
| 21:44.36 | newsense_ | wpasupplicant 918k |
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| 21:45.08 | newsense_ | works great and no gui required, i got roaming setup and i'm associated and got a dhcp ip at boot |
| 21:45.37 | newsense_ | login to a tty and load up screen+irssi :) |
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| 21:45.54 | gewt | newsense_, it'd download faster over wireless anyway/ |
| 21:46.00 | gewt | wired* |
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| 21:46.16 | gewt | and I was going to install gnome anyway |
| 21:46.16 | gewt | so |
| 21:46.21 | zig_ | Can't the BIOS map out bad sectors in RAM? |
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| 21:46.41 | setuid | Does anyone know why the default Debian squid rc script does not properly stop the squid proxy? |
| 21:46.56 | setuid | http://pastebin.com/d655b43f |
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| 21:47.03 | setuid | That's the sh -x output of /etc/init.d/squid stop |
| 21:47.23 | setuid | You can see at the bottom, that it's still running even after invoking that |
| 21:47.38 | newsense_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.00 | dondelelcaro | setuid: presumably because the pid that squid is running under doesn't match the pid in the pidfile |
| 21:48.03 | valdyn | !badram |
| 21:48.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, badram is a kernel patch that allows you to safely use RAM modules that have errors - see http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 21:48.13 | dondelelcaro | setuid: check /var/run/squid.pid |
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| 21:49.20 | dondelelcaro | setuid: if that file doesn't exist or is empty, the stop rule isn't going to work, because there's no way for the server to reliably know which squid to stop, so it doesn't do anything |
| 21:49.43 | setuid | it was in /var/log/squid/squid.pid, as defined in /etc/squid/squid.conf |
| 21:49.51 | setuid | I'll change that to point to /var/run/squid.pid and restart and try |
| 21:50.05 | dondelelcaro | setuid: well, you've changed it from the default, so... |
| 21:50.23 | setuid | well, querying squid should result in it declaring where its pid is, so... |
| 21:50.34 | setuid | What's the point of defining it in the config, if the rc script ignores that? |
| 21:50.46 | dondelelcaro | setuid: there's no way to know what squid to query |
| 21:51.01 | setuid | You query the one that is running |
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| 21:51.36 | dondelelcaro | setuid: there's no way to know which one of the multiple ones that could be running is the right one |
| 21:51.36 | setuid | At the very least, the rc script should bark that the process couldn't be stopped, or that the pid file isn't found, or something useful |
| 21:51.42 | parolang2 | Hi everyone. Very basic question: How do you know if your ISP gives you a static IP address or not? |
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| 21:51.56 | valdyn | parolang2: ask him |
| 21:51.59 | dondelelcaro | setuid: you don't need to specify the pidfile at all; the default is perfectly ok |
| 21:52.25 | keith4_ | parolang2, ask them? |
| 21:52.41 | valdyn | parolang2: technically its even dynamic even if its always the same "static" ip |
| 21:52.41 | parolang2 | keith4_, valdyn: Okay. |
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| 21:53.09 | valdyn | ( unless you go out of your way to change that ) |
| 21:53.13 | dondelelcaro | setuid: if the daemon that you've asked the script to stop isn't running, then stop always succeeds |
| 21:53.27 | dondelelcaro | that's by design |
| 21:53.36 | parolang2 | valdyn: Can you use /etc/resolve.conf even if you configure /etc/interfaces to dhcp? |
| 21:53.47 | dondelelcaro | parolang2: yes |
| 21:53.53 | dondelelcaro | parolang2: but you generally want resolvconf instead |
| 21:53.57 | parolang2 | (Sorry...trying to find the right question to ask.) |
| 21:53.57 | keith4_ | "use"? |
| 21:54.05 | valdyn | parolang2: arent you using ppp to connect to your isp? |
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| 21:54.50 | parolang2 | valdyn: I don't think so. I have high speed internet through a wireless router. |
| 21:55.08 | valdyn | parolang2: so your router is connecting to your isp via ppp |
| 21:55.21 | parolang2 | valdyn: Okay, that could be. I really don't know. |
| 21:55.33 | valdyn | parolang2: whats "high speed" ? thats > 100mbit in japan |
| 21:55.40 | Gambaroin | What's the problem when I get [12323.291531] EXT3-fs: sdb1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240).? |
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| 21:55.49 | parolang2 | I'm reading through debian-reference on the section on networking and trying to figure it out. |
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| 21:56.08 | Gambaroin | jhutchins_lt but |
| 21:56.10 | valdyn | parolang2: your router is doing the internet uplink |
| 21:56.27 | parolang2 | valdyn: Yeah, I'd have to do research to determine what my speed is. But I don't think that is relevant right now. I just don't know what to call "not-dialup or ISDN" |
| 21:56.30 | Gambaroin | jhutchins_lt this looks pretty weird: http://pastebin.com/m7bdce1a6.. right? :/ |
| 21:56.57 | valdyn | parolang2: doesnt matter, still ppp usually |
| 21:57.04 | parolang2 | valdyn: So would that allow me to configure as if my internet is static? |
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| 21:57.20 | valdyn | parolang2: youre on debian which is connected to your router |
| 21:57.23 | parolang2 | valdyn: Okay. I thought ppp was for dialup. |
| 21:57.28 | parolang2 | valdyn: right |
| 21:57.32 | valdyn | parolang2: your debian box has nothing to do with your internet access |
| 21:57.48 | valdyn | parolang2: so you dont even need to think about that internet access. Its just there. |
| 21:57.58 | abrotman | Gambaroin: did you create the filesystem from another OS ? |
| 21:58.35 | parolang2 | valdyn: Well...I had another guy helping me, but he wasn't available to finish the configuration. But he told me if I rebooted the system I'd loose my internet access. |
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| 21:58.46 | valdyn | parolang2: and in all likelyness your debian box has whatever non-internet ip, thats your private net |
| 21:58.55 | parolang2 | valdyn: So he referred me to debian-reference before he left and I'm trying to make sense of it. |
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| 22:00.08 | parolang2 | valdyn: Okay. |
| 22:00.50 | parolang2 | Right now, I think I can just copy my /etc/network/interfaces file from my netbook to my desktop system and it should just work if I rebooted. |
| 22:00.51 | valdyn | parolang2: he probably didnt yet configured your local lan stuff |
| 22:01.05 | gewt | my ...bsd powered router does the uplink. |
| 22:01.06 | valdyn | parolang2: if that netbook uses dhcp, yes |
| 22:01.13 | gewt | I tried to use something dbeian based! |
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| 22:01.15 | parolang2 | valdyn: Yes it does. Okay, cool. |
| 22:01.17 | gewt | it didn't like me. :( |
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| 22:01.38 | valdyn | parolang2: and, obviously you have to adjsut interface names if they arent identical |
| 22:01.45 | gewt | <3 vyatta. |
| 22:01.49 | docmax | hello, i need a fast easy slick ftp server with gui, any suggestions? |
| 22:02.03 | parolang2 | valdyn: Right. I think it's wlan0 or something. |
| 22:02.10 | gewt | ...ftp server with GUI? |
| 22:02.12 | dondelelcaro | docmax: again, that's a contradiction. You don't need a gui. |
| 22:02.24 | gewt | the CLIENT might need a GUI. |
| 22:02.31 | gewt | but not the server. |
| 22:02.41 | gewt | dondelelcaro, it's not a contradiction on windows! |
| 22:02.43 | abrotman | docmax: there doesn't seem to be anything like that packaged in debian, perhaps you should look on freshmeat |
| 22:02.56 | abrotman | he wants a CGI FTP client AFAICT |
| 22:03.22 | parolang2 | valdyn: One other question. My router supplies the wrong DNS information (domain and ip) and I've had to bypass that on every computer I hook up to the router. Do you know where I should put that information on debian? Somehow my netbook gets it right, but I don't know where it stores that information. |
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| 22:04.34 | gewt | durrr. |
| 22:04.44 | gewt | You COULD just properly configure the roiuter... |
| 22:04.46 | parolang2 | valdyn: It's not in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf has the wrong info (it updates that info from the router) |
| 22:05.06 | nyne | you could always use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 (google public dns) iunstead |
| 22:05.12 | nyne | s/iunstead/instead |
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| 22:05.31 | gewt | I'm still using 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.4 |
| 22:05.36 | gewt | on 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:05.39 | parolang2 | gewt: Yeah, I know. I'd just have to figure out how to do that. I setup the router when I still had a Windows system and used their gui config tools |
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| 22:06.12 | parolang2 | gewt: Right now, this way is easier if unclean. |
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| 22:08.11 | Atomix | *yeah i guess but i didn't want to have to reinstall it, the prob might be due of those 2missing lines in my.cnf |
| 22:08.18 | Atomix | *#skip-innodb #default-storage-engine = InnoDB (might need to be uncommented) |
| 22:08.23 | Atomix | *that's wierd cause InnoDB is available on my CSS box and i've also used apt-get install *i'm going to check its my.cnf |
| 22:08.29 | Atomix | *i'm only having that -.- http://pastebin.com/m4776ca0a |
| 22:08.49 | Justin | Atomix: skip innodb? I dont think you want that |
| 22:09.02 | Atomix | it's uncommented |
| 22:09.15 | Atomix | i had an error in phpmyadmin because it wasn't defined in my.cnf |
| 22:09.36 | Justin | do you mean commented or uncommented? |
| 22:09.46 | Atomix | err, i mean i'll keep it commented |
| 22:10.05 | Atomix | somehow the setting needs to be my.cnf |
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| 22:10.28 | Atomix | i'm not sure if i should uncomment #default-storage-engine = InnoDB though |
| 22:10.32 | Justin | the setting? you pasted two. one you should not be using, the other is optional |
| 22:10.40 | parolang2 | gewt: When I edit resolv.conf somehow my router overrides the value and replaces it with the wrong values. I don't know how it does it, is there some way to override this behavior? |
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| 22:11.00 | Atomix | really ? i'm trying to get some info on mysql forums |
| 22:11.01 | Justin | parolang2: fix your router. |
| 22:11.43 | Atomix | show engine innodb status; ERROR 1235 (42000): Cannot call SHOW INNODB STATUS because skip-innodb is defined |
| 22:12.00 | Atomix | that's what happens without the options |
| 22:12.20 | Justin | Atomix: do you know the difference between something being commented and something being uncommented? |
| 22:12.44 | Atomix | yeah, uncommented = enabled & commented = disabled |
| 22:13.00 | Atomix | if i'm not mistaken |
| 22:13.04 | Justin | and what do you have for skip-innodb? |
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| 22:13.26 | Atomix | not even written in my.cnf |
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| 22:14.25 | Justin | Atomix: grep -r innodb /etc/mysql |
| 22:14.39 | parolang2 | Justin: Yeah, no clue there. If that's a sticking point for you guys then sorry for wasting your time, and thanks for answering the questions you elected to. |
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| 22:15.09 | Atomix | got that http://pastebin.com/m7780328d |
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| 22:16.04 | Justin | Atomix: restart mysql? |
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| 22:17.10 | Atomix | not yet, i have lots of servers running and have to go in maintenance, i'm going to announce it now |
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| 22:20.17 | wuffi600 | a question about the debian-dvd-torrents. after seeding 8GB of a debian-dvd-torrent seeding stops, why? |
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| 22:21.03 | zig_ | So Linux has no intrinsic means to deal with bad memory |
| 22:21.30 | abrotman | didn't valdyn point you at the badram patches earlier ? |
| 22:21.35 | zig_ | Yes. |
| 22:21.45 | zig_ | badram isn't automatically, doesn't Just Work. |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | does windows have something better? |
| 22:21.48 | NiLon | in soviet russia bad memory deals with you |
| 22:21.49 | zig_ | isn't automatic, rather. |
| 22:22.09 | jelly-home | zig_: it does, it the hardware reports it correctly and you're using decent hardware (ECC RAM and capable motherboards and MCE capable CPUs) |
| 22:22.10 | zig_ | I don't care about Windows =) I just wanted to know. Since it apparently doesn't, I'll be looking to get ECC memory |
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| 22:22.26 | zig_ | Right, what jelly said =) |
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| 22:22.37 | maligor | how would it automagically deal with bad ram? |
| 22:22.37 | abrotman | uhm .. if don't hvae bad RAM, why do you care ? |
| 22:22.53 | confusid | Hello, After installing debian I had a message saying I needed to turn on IOMMU in my bios. And by not doing so it cost me 64mb.. I'm trying to find where and why this is. IOMMU does not show in the bios. What are my options for this or a direction? |
| 22:23.03 | jelly-home | zig_: you _have to_ use ECC memory to have some semblance of reliability anyway |
| 22:23.06 | maligor | the only way would be to constantly scan the ram for defects using patterns |
| 22:23.10 | zig_ | Because my RAM may eventually go bad. I don't like getting RAM chips that are useless with 64KB on it goes bad |
| 22:23.26 | zig_ | I understand that with ECC, a lot of the chip could go bad for any reason, and you could continue using it just like that. |
| 22:23.36 | jelly-home | zig_: negative on that |
| 22:23.47 | cirzgamanti | hi, some page tells me to run a php script on the cl with 'php script.php', but there's no such program on testing. what should i use? |
| 22:23.54 | abrotman | zig_: you have a misconception |
| 22:23.54 | zig_ | I must. |
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| 22:23.58 | jelly-home | zig_: but at least it will report for some instances of it going bad. |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | cirzgamanti: it's php5 .. it's in the php5-cli package |
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| 22:24.25 | zig_ | ECC == Error Correction Code. That would lead me to believe that the chip corrects itself if it has errors. |
| 22:24.26 | cirzgamanti | ahh thx |
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| 22:24.36 | The_Toxic_Mite | Hello. I am on Debian, connected to the internet with my phone |
| 22:24.47 | NiLon | zig_ atleast my memory chips at break point just stop using that part of memory :o |
| 22:24.52 | abrotman | zig_: but it's not going to fix bad RAM magically |
| 22:25.03 | zig_ | Well, of course not |
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| 22:25.10 | The_Toxic_Mite | I was going to search on the wiki about the RT2870 thing but it couldn't be found |
| 22:25.10 | cirzgamanti | imagines the device from war games for connecting the internet with a phone |
| 22:25.11 | zig_ | It'll mark that section as bad and not use it any longer. |
| 22:25.14 | cirzgamanti | feels old ;) |
| 22:25.16 | jelly-home | zig_: nope |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | zig_: wrong |
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| 22:25.42 | AimHere | confusid, IIRC it's just fixed by a kernel command line option in your menu.lst or LILO equivalent |
| 22:25.57 | zig_ | Why would it _not_ do that |
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| 22:26.24 | abrotman | zig_: wtf .. why would it? |
| 22:26.30 | The_Toxic_Mite | Doesn't matter, found it |
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| 22:26.44 | maligor | isn't ECC just for bit errors anyway |
| 22:26.59 | maligor | not really for breaking ram |
| 22:27.02 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_random_access_memory#Errors_and_error_correction |
| 22:27.05 | zig_ | RAM has ECC. Error is detected. It would seem to me it would follow that the system would stop using the bad RAM, now that it has detected an error there |
| 22:27.10 | abrotman | maligor: that's his misconception |
| 22:27.19 | zig_ | That is |
| 22:27.20 | abrotman | zig_: it will keep trying to use it |
| 22:27.26 | zig_ | That bad _part_ of the RAM |
| 22:27.43 | zig_ | I see. Wow, that doesn't make a shred of sense to me. |
| 22:28.05 | confusid | AimHere, grub was installed... So it is apart of the initialization of the system? |
| 22:28.07 | jelly-home | zig_: only some mid- and high-range server components do that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipkill |
| 22:28.08 | Atomix | i'm trying to restart mysql with /etc/init.d/mysqld restart MySQL manager or server PID file could not be found! failed! Starting MySQL..................................................................................................../etc/init.d/mysqld: line 159: kill: (9725) - No such process failed! -.- |
| 22:28.49 | Atomix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.09 | Atomix | any idea on how could i reboot it Justin ? |
| 22:29.19 | abrotman | you coul djust kill the PIDs |
| 22:29.34 | jelly-home | zig_: ECC RAM merely corrects single-bit errors (in a 64-bit word) and reports double-bit (uncorrectable) errors; typically when an uncorrectable error is reported to Linux kernel, it panics to prevent further data loss |
| 22:29.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: is that page totally borked ? |
| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: wfm |
| 22:30.12 | AimHere | Yeah, confusid. It's not a serious thing, I think it's a consequence of having an AGP card in this day and age |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: in one browser here, yes .. other no |
| 22:30.25 | abrotman | and now it works .. weird |
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| 22:30.33 | jelly-home | use a better browser! |
| 22:31.06 | abrotman | it works fine now |
| 22:31.14 | Ganang | does anyone have experience usign makebootfat for making a debian bootable usb stick |
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| 22:32.40 | confusid | AimHere, the board I'm using does concern me :) it is a all in one.. Gigabyte- ma78gm-us2h, with an ati hd output. |
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| 22:33.35 | rgr | does debian use the .inputrc file when launching a bash shell? |
| 22:33.37 | Atomix | anyone ? |
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| 22:35.04 | abrotman | rgr: you can easily find out |
| 22:35.11 | abrotman | Atomix: i told you, just kill it |
| 22:35.26 | Atomix | sorry, didn't see your message |
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| 22:37.18 | Atomix | thanks it's working |
| 22:37.45 | Atomix | InnoDB isn't activated yet though -_- |
| 22:38.10 | dvs | !beer abrotman |
| 22:38.10 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for abrotman |
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| 22:40.26 | rgr | well, this is why I'm asking. Every where says it should (unless debian has done something mad) but I C-v in bash followed by pos1 key shows a code NOT set .inputrc. And theo TERM/termcap mess prompted me to ask here in case someone else has experience of it. |
| 22:41.51 | abrotman | rgr: it does here |
| 22:42.20 | Atomix | do you have any idea to get innodb working ? it's working fine on my 2nd dedi, both are under debian 5.0 |
| 22:42.31 | Atomix | and using 5.0.51a-24+lenny1-log |
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| 22:44.15 | rgr | the fact its all in screen adds anoter level of terminfo hell of course. |
| 22:44.26 | rgr | thanks for checking. |
| 22:44.37 | Ganang | does anyone have experience usign makebootfat for making a debian bootable usb stick |
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| 22:47.31 | abrotman | rgrbleh |
| 22:47.46 | testerz | does anyone know of a way of really improving your typing speed? I type fast (100wpm), but I can't seem to improve on that really |
| 22:47.54 | zig_ | Does Debian just have the kernel patch in its repos, or is it in the default debian kernel |
| 22:48.00 | zig_ | BadRAM, that is. |
| 22:48.05 | babilen | testerz: gtypist |
| 22:48.07 | testerz | hth do people get like 150wpm? |
| 22:48.15 | testerz | babilen: thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 22:48.45 | abrotman | zig_: i don't think they do .. ISTR it's a sizable performance hit |
| 22:49.00 | jelly-home | zig_: it's not in Debian's kernels. That patch is more of a hack than a tested, reliable solution |
| 22:49.16 | confusid | AimHere, ty for the help |
| 22:49.48 | jelly-home | zig_: do you really want to process your data using _known bad_ hardware? |
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| 22:50.59 | abrotman | rgr: you can 'strace -o /tmp/foo bash' and then 'grep input /tmp/foo' .. to see if that file is read |
| 22:52.09 | jelly-home | strace -eopen should be enough |
| 22:52.15 | zig_ | jelly-home: Looks like memmap will get the job done, actually. Won't need BadRAM =) |
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| 22:52.43 | zig_ | just load the kernel with memmap=somesize$startloc |
| 22:52.54 | macman_ | what is a good net intall dvd .. i386 ? |
| 22:53.12 | macman_ | debian-5030-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 22:53.22 | zig_ | So like memmap=10M$500M would tell the kernel to not use the 10 MiB of data starting at the 500 MiB mark. |
| 22:53.30 | babilen | macman_: yes, you would use the netinstall image for a netinstall |
| 22:53.31 | dvs | macman_: that's not a DVD |
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| 22:54.15 | jelly-home | dvs: well, it can be (burned on a) dvd! |
| 22:54.26 | macman_ | heh .. you guys aren't seeding your on distro |
| 22:54.28 | macman_ | j/k |
| 22:54.30 | zig_ | jelly-home: And yeah, I would like to process my data using known bad hardware =) |
| 22:54.38 | testerz | babilen: hrm, it seems to mostly have just drills and tells you your speed, not much advice on _really_ improving |
| 22:54.42 | jelly-home | zig_: good luck |
| 22:54.48 | zig_ | Like for instance, if I were to order RAM off a site like newegg, and it arrived bad. I am too lazy to send it back and wait etc |
| 22:54.59 | zig_ | I'd much rather just map out what small portions are bad, not use them and be on my way =) |
| 22:55.02 | dvs | jelly-home: true |
| 22:55.12 | gewt | 10ec:8172 |
| 22:55.19 | gewt | what's the right driver for THAT? |
| 22:55.55 | abrotman | judd: pciid 10ec:8172 |
| 22:55.56 | judd | abrotman: [10ec:8172] is 'Unknown device' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172 |
| 22:56.03 | zig_ | Is it a rumor that RAM with rot will continue to get worse and worse as time goes on? |
| 22:56.05 | abrotman | is it pci or usb ? |
| 22:56.08 | gewt | pci |
| 22:56.09 | babilen | testerz: I guess it boils down to practice. There are other programs, but gtypist is the best *I* know and fits my needs. There might be some articles about that around ... |
| 22:56.16 | gewt | it's a wireless contorller. |
| 22:56.18 | abrotman | gewt: you sure about that ? |
| 22:56.37 | gewt | maybe. |
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| 22:57.16 | gewt | Realtek Semiconductor Co, Ltd, Device 10ec:8172 |
| 22:57.30 | gewt | Network controller |
| 22:57.46 | nmalw | I'm having an issue installing the mysql server package. Here is the apt output: http://pastie.org/private/beuuasogsgnck5hgljkea Any ideas? |
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| 22:59.08 | abrotman | gewt: it's not appearing in the PCIIDs file |
| 23:00.01 | gewt | I found a driver. |
| 23:00.02 | gewt | I think. |
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| 23:02.24 | gewt | uau |
| 23:02.27 | gewt | yay |
| 23:02.31 | gewt | unknown symnbol in module. |
| 23:02.39 | gewt | looks again. |
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| 23:08.21 | Atomix | i just fully reinstall mysql-server-5.0 under debian and innodb is still disabled, any idea ? |
| 23:09.00 | babilen | Atomix: Edit the configuration files. You have to enable it explicitly. |
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| 23:10.11 | nkuttler | Atomix: purge a package to remove it's config |
| 23:11.39 | abrotman | Atomix: did you read the docs yet? |
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| 23:11.48 | gewt | fucking taiwanese company with drivers you can't downlaod. |
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| 23:13.16 | Atomix | it's enabled in my.cnf babilen nkuttler i'll do that now abrotman yes i did it |
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| 23:20.22 | Atomix | no luck, InnoDB is still disabled |
| 23:21.00 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: you have to recreate the databases using InnoDB |
| 23:21.02 | gizmo_the_great_ | Hi. I've been an Ubuntu user since 2005 and do not consider myself a Linux guru in any way. But I am getting a bit fed up of Ubuntu and considering moving to Debian hearing many good things about it's stability etc. Having installed it as a Virtual Machine first, I am surprised at how similar it is to Ubuntu and its clear Ubuntu is very much based on Debian. I'm curious to know though, from an everyday computing point of |
| 23:21.03 | gizmo_the_great_ | view (processing photos, streaming video, video playback etc) , whether Debian will cause me much frustration? |
| 23:21.21 | Atomix | InnoDB DISABLED Supports transactions, row-level locking, and foreign keys |
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| 23:22.05 | gewt | hole fuckign shit |
| 23:22.11 | tonsofpcs | gizmo_the_great_: ubuntu is based on debian, but it installs a LOT of extraneous packages |
| 23:22.11 | gewt | the driver fucking worked |
| 23:22.15 | amphi | gizmo_the_great_: I doubt it; you might have to add the debian multimedia repo to your sources.list for the odd thing you use |
| 23:22.18 | tonsofpcs | installing debian base will run a lot leaner. |
| 23:22.36 | Atomix | creating InnoDB tables will be automaticly created with MyISAM dondelelcaro |
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| 23:22.48 | tonsofpcs | note that if you're doing a lot of streaming and such you'll want to run experimental or maybe unstable |
| 23:23.10 | amphi | run experimental? |
| 23:23.15 | dvs | gewt: what made the driver work? |
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| 23:23.50 | gewt | dvs, compiling it, |
| 23:24.18 | dvs | gewt: from source? That's something! ;-) |
| 23:24.31 | gizmo_the_great_ | My main use is e-mail (Thunderbird), word processing & spreadhseets (OpenOffice), YouTube and others like it and Photography for which I run apps like Bibble Pro, LightZone etc. I have a fairly old (2005) NVIDIA graphics card. |
| 23:24.39 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps um how do i find out if i installed i686 or a adm64 OS w/o checking the kernel with uname? |
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| 23:24.49 | bbelt16ag | how do i find out if i got 64bit packages installed? |
| 23:25.00 | gizmo_the_great_ | bbelt16ag: lsb-release? |
| 23:25.07 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 23:25.15 | gewt | dvs, mhm |
| 23:25.18 | gewt | compiled form soruce. |
| 23:25.21 | gewt | driver worked fine |
| 23:25.40 | bbelt16ag | no mods avilable |
| 23:26.02 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: if it's enabled; what does show variables like 'version'; output? |
| 23:26.20 | bbelt16ag | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 23:26.21 | bbelt16ag | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny) |
| 23:26.23 | bbelt16ag | Release: 5.0.3 |
| 23:26.25 | bbelt16ag | Codename: lenny |
| 23:26.59 | dondelelcaro | bbelt16ag: please don't paste stuff here |
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| 23:27.06 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 23:27.16 | bbelt16ag | does that mean i got a 686 install instead of a 64bit one |
| 23:27.20 | \amethyst | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 23:27.20 | dpkg | \amethyst: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:27.41 | bbelt16ag | 386 DOH |
| 23:27.45 | bbelt16ag | i386 DOH |
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| 23:29.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: --print-architecture is <reply> (powerpc|amd64|i386|ia64|alpha|mips|mipsel|kfreebsd-i386|kfreebsd-amd64|sh|hurd-i386|arm|armeb|armel|gothic|classical|neo-classical|geary) |
| 23:29.02 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: what are you talking about? |
| 23:30.00 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: --print-architecture |
| 23:30.00 | dpkg | classical |
| 23:30.13 | Atomix | there dondelelcaro http://pastebin.com/m1c4890a6 |
| 23:30.18 | Supaplex | dpkg: listkeys --print-arch |
| 23:30.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of '--print-arch' by key (1): --print-architecture. |
| 23:30.36 | Supaplex | nuts-o-bot |
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| 23:31.00 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: and what do you have in /etc/mysql/my.cnf; and what does show engines; output? |
| 23:31.08 | newsense | i need a debian lenny dvd 1 iso but the tracker is offline, anyone know another tracker ? |
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| 23:31.32 | Supaplex | newsense: why not just use netinst? |
| 23:31.38 | dondelelcaro | newsense: you can just download it or use the netinst |
| 23:31.47 | Atomix | my.cnf http://pastebin.com/m7497d0a & show engines http://pastebin.com/mdc4c0d |
| 23:31.47 | newsense | no net where i need it atm |
| 23:32.01 | Supaplex | !jigdo |
| 23:32.01 | dpkg | well, jigdo is Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ , http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo and <blu-ray disc>. |
| 23:32.23 | newsense | i thought the jigdo client was incomplete or something |
| 23:32.36 | Supaplex | it worked last time i used it about 2 months ago |
| 23:32.37 | newsense | never looked too much into jigdo |
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| 23:32.57 | simonrvn | same |
| 23:33.02 | simonrvn | worked fine |
| 23:33.11 | Supaplex | it's not the most user friendly tool sometimes |
| 23:33.11 | newsense | i'll try it thanks |
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| 23:33.29 | Atomix | any idea from where could the problem be coming from dondelelcaro ? |
| 23:33.29 | Supaplex | it is, but it's picky who its users are. ;) |
| 23:33.32 | newsense | as long as i can get this iso it'll work in a pinch |
| 23:35.36 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: I'm thinking that you've somehow misconfigured innodb and it's being disabled when you're trying to startup |
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| 23:35.55 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: by default, that version of mysql supports innodb, and you shouldn't need any configuration at all to get it working |
| 23:36.07 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: have you restarted the mysql server since you've shown me that my.cnf? |
| 23:36.14 | Atomix | yes i did dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.16 | Atomix | multiple times |
| 23:36.23 | Atomix | even reinstall it few times |
| 23:36.41 | Atomix | what settings should i use in my.cnf if it's the cause of the problem ? |
| 23:36.42 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: then comment out the innodb bits and restart it. Also, why aren't you using the my.cnf that Debian ships? |
| 23:37.08 | Atomix | that's an old config which was working fine for years on 5.0.51a |
| 23:37.16 | jdm64 | help!! I was playing with fwbuilder/iptables and now I can't send any traffic out, I can still ping my server! |
| 23:37.36 | jdm64 | I've tried to disable iptables but didn't work |
| 23:37.59 | simonrvn | flush (-F, -X) your tables |
| 23:38.08 | simonrvn | "disable"? |
| 23:38.31 | Atomix | innodb is still disabled even with every innodb settings commented out |
| 23:38.35 | jdm64 | simonrvn: didn't work, still nothing |
| 23:38.44 | simonrvn | make sure your policy(ies) is(are) set to ACCEPT FIRST ;) |
| 23:38.45 | Atomix | i restarted mysql server of course |
| 23:38.51 | gewt | fffffff |
| 23:38.56 | gewt | it dropped off the network |
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| 23:39.15 | jdm64 | simonrvn: how do I show what policies I have |
| 23:39.48 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: and the connection that you had with mysql was dropped when you did that, right? |
| 23:40.06 | Atomix | yup |
| 23:40.20 | Supaplex | jdm64: iptables-save will show all of them. you can edit a saved output and restore via iptables-restore |
| 23:40.22 | paradoxmonkey | Is there a way to calculate the compressed size of a directory before issuing tar? |
| 23:40.33 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: start with the my.cnf that Debian distributes, and see if that fixes it. The one that you have makes a lot of changes, and it's not worth my time to figure out how it's screwing things up |
| 23:40.47 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: no |
| 23:40.52 | Atomix | ok |
| 23:41.15 | dondelelcaro | I know that the version of mysql that we distribute supports InnoDB by default |
| 23:41.23 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:41.48 | jdm64 | Supaplex: ok, it shows a line like ":OUTPUT ACCEPT [410:59230]" what should it be? |
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| 23:42.21 | Supaplex | jdm64: accept is fine. any drop/deny entries? |
| 23:42.30 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: the only way to know is to attempt to compress the file; you don't have to actually write it to disk, of course. |
| 23:43.23 | newsense | so jigdo downloads the packages for the dvd than builds the image after it's done ? |
| 23:43.29 | jdm64 | Supaplex: http://pastebin.com/d3be532a5 |
| 23:43.29 | Supaplex | newsense: yup |
| 23:44.03 | Supaplex | jdm64: those are all sane. |
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| 23:44.28 | jdm64 | Supaplex: then why could everything be blocked |
| 23:44.33 | bbelt16ag | \amethyst: can i change my arch and reinstall my packages w/o screweing up |
| 23:44.47 | Supaplex | jdm64: is this host acting as a router? |
| 23:45.05 | newsense | Supaplex: cool i started the process than walked away and was wondering what was going on |
| 23:45.06 | simonrvn | !ip_forward |
| 23:45.16 | simonrvn | !ipforward |
| 23:45.25 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 23:45.30 | FIReun | I must be missing something obvious -- using x2x over ssh to control a second machine on the desk with only one set of keyboard/mouse -- changed target sshd_config to allow Xforwarding, ditto on host, nixed -nolisten from the X startup, but I'm still getting "x2x - error: can not open display :0." what am I not doing? lsof -i tcp shows X listening... I dontgetit. Help? |
| 23:45.37 | jdm64 | Supaplex: Not really, it's a server, but I was trying to route some traffic through a vpn |
| 23:45.44 | FIReun | babilen: I've heard you know alot of things |
| 23:45.55 | Supaplex | simonrvn is thinking sysctl -a | grep forwarding |
| 23:46.19 | simonrvn | more like tell him/her how to do it |
| 23:46.31 | Supaplex | jdm64: is the vpn traffic terminating at the server? or does it leave the server unencrypted after it's in/out of the vpn? |
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| 23:48.02 | jdm64 | Supaplex: right now I can't get the vpn up, but I was having the server connect to outgoing vpn |
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| 23:49.50 | Supaplex | jdm64: iptables says it's permitting all traffic. if you're having a vpn issue, that's a new set of things to look into. |
| 23:50.11 | jdm64 | Supaplex: I was trying to route some port ranges to go out the vpn, it wasn't working then I did "iptables -F" and the server crashed |
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| 23:50.42 | Supaplex | then you *had* some firewall rules, and flushed all the -t filter rules. |
| 23:51.37 | jdm64 | Supaplex: something like that, but one of the rules didn't apply because I was using --gw instead of --gateway |
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| 23:52.07 | Supaplex | did you save your rules before preparing to make these changes? |
| 23:52.07 | jdm64 | Supaplex: so I desided to start over with iptables -F, but the entire server crashed |
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| 23:53.07 | jdm64 | Supaplex: I didn't do iptabes-save, just iptables -F, then crash |
| 23:53.11 | Supaplex | did you have iptables rules before today? I don't know why your server crashed. there are too many unknowns about locally significant factors. or you haven't told us the whole chain of events. |
| 23:53.37 | Atomix | same thing dondelelcaro |
| 23:53.44 | jdm64 | Supaplex: no, I just started with the rules |
| 23:53.48 | Supaplex | so what can't you do after it crashed? |
| 23:53.54 | zig_ | Anyone know why my system load would be sitting @ .77 when absolutely nothing is going on? |
| 23:54.29 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 23:54.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 23:54.54 | jdm64 | Supaplex: initiate outgoing traffic, I can ssh into it, but if I try to ping anything it doesn't reply |
| 23:55.40 | Supaplex | ping off the server to a gateway? |
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| 23:55.46 | jmarsden | zig_: Because something *is* going on? Try using top, jnettop, iotop or similar tools to see what is happening. |
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| 23:56.22 | deed02392 | could someone suggest a way i might map the size of the files occupying my hard drive in all but one folder? |
| 23:56.39 | FIReun | woof |
| 23:56.40 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: *shrug*; try purging mysql-server-5.0, and reinstalling it; see if that helps |
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| 23:56.57 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: alternatively, check out the error logs of mysql to see if there's something specific which is going wrong |
| 23:57.08 | Atomix | i don't see anything in the logs |
| 23:57.13 | Atomix | even in my hostname.err |
| 23:57.24 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: if you don't see anything in the logs, then you're not looking at the right ones... |
| 23:57.27 | jdm64 | Supaplex: isn't working, I think maybe it's my gateway address |
| 23:57.56 | Atomix | shouldn't it be /var/log/mysql.log ? |
| 23:58.05 | jdm64 | Supaplex: route is hanging without giving the default gateway |
| 23:58.06 | Supaplex | jdm64: I haven't made out what the topology is. okay. if you try to ping the gateway, and run arp -n, do you see it in the arp table? |
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| 23:58.26 | Supaplex | route -n dns will choke if you have issues :) |
| 23:58.36 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: depends on the configuration. Here it's /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 23:59.35 | EvYdance | Hello i have this error at the boot : [ 545.150171] map irq failed have you an idea ? |
| 23:59.42 | jdm64 | Supaplex: 0.0.0.0 68.183.209.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
