| 00:00.04 | wildc4rd | Happy new year all! |
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| 00:03.52 | pb_laptop | "this will be the year of Linux Desktop" |
| 00:04.21 | peterS | hahaha |
| 00:04.23 | wildc4rd | lol |
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| 00:04.59 | peterS | the year of the linux server was, what, 1998? |
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| 00:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it'd be the year of the crippled cat |
| 00:05.43 | wildc4rd | CMOT, fan of Diskworld by any chance? |
| 00:06.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, fans are too often hit by ... excrements |
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| 00:07.15 | pb_laptop | today is 01/01/10... binary day |
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| 00:07.37 | peterS | pb_laptop: only if you don't wish to be y2100 compliant |
| 00:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | pb_laptop, hate to spoil it for you... but: 2010 |
| 00:08.18 | pb_laptop | :.( |
| 00:08.30 | peterS | yeah ... this year we finally have to abandon the 1-digit year |
| 00:08.59 | peterS | it would have been funny if someone had designed embedded controllers, or mainframe software, or something, with a 1-digit year since there's no way anyone would still be using it 8 years later or whatever |
| 00:09.29 | dondelelcaro | every day is binary day |
| 00:09.46 | pb_laptop | 01/01/10 our grandchildrens will fix the XX10 bit |
| 00:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... only if you live in a binary star system |
| 00:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | wildc4rd, saussage inna bun? only $2 and that's cutting me own throat! |
| 00:11.15 | iolo | bebendo Buxudinha . . . |
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| 00:11.55 | dondelelcaro | for example, it's now: 11010011101111001011110011010010 |
| 00:12.16 | trost | "Do not use testing on a desktop. It is not meant to be used, and it is expected that such things happen. Only stable and unstable are actually meant to be used. Cheers, " |
| 00:12.19 | trost | whats this about ? |
| 00:12.30 | trost | that was a reply to a bug report |
| 00:12.36 | trost | why not use testing at all ? |
| 00:12.46 | trost | what have that release then ? |
| 00:12.48 | dondelelcaro | trost: testing doesn't necessarily get updates fast, and it doesn't necesssarily get security updates |
| 00:12.59 | dondelelcaro | trost: it's there as a testing ground for the next stable release |
| 00:12.59 | trost | unstable does ? |
| 00:13.11 | dondelelcaro | trost: unstable gets them first, yes |
| 00:13.19 | peterS | trost: unstable gets security updates pretty fast, but they don't always migrate to testing in a timely manner, for all manner of reasons |
| 00:13.24 | dondelelcaro | trost: though it'd help if you said which bug report, though |
| 00:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, but how can it be a testing ground if nobody's supposed to use it |
| 00:13.44 | trost | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545763 |
| 00:13.44 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: people can use it, but you shouldn't be surprised when it breaks |
| 00:14.02 | trost | that was a reply by Josselin Mouette |
| 00:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, well, but the same is even more true for unstable... |
| 00:14.33 | cusco | happye 2010! :) |
| 00:14.43 | dondelelcaro | trost: yeah, and the reason is that someone is complaining that it hasn't migrated to testing, even though it's been fixed in unstable |
| 00:14.45 | peterS | trost: oh, josselin is well known for being opinionated (: as to whether testing 'should be used on the desktop', there are multiple opinions about that |
| 00:14.45 | trost | cusco :Cheers! |
| 00:14.54 | cusco | :D |
| 00:15.04 | krzysztof | cucco: thanks! |
| 00:15.18 | dondelelcaro | trost: that's a known issue; asking the maintainer to do something special about it doesn't really help... it'll be fixed when it transitions |
| 00:15.34 | pb_laptop | I suppose, he means it is fixed in sid, and this bug isn't in lenny... so squeeze will have that bug until the package reachs testing... that is the "Do not use" |
| 00:15.42 | peterS | trost: anyway, when a fix is in unstable, and has not migrated to testing yet, it _is_ frustrating that people will continue to report the same bug in testing for awhile. so it's understandable, the comment "well, don't use testing then!" |
| 00:16.06 | trost | true. |
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| 00:16.23 | pb_laptop | apt-listbugs is a must in testing and sid for final users |
| 00:16.31 | trost | i use stable on servers that have one job that need to be done. |
| 00:16.44 | trost | but on my laptop stable doesnt work for me. |
| 00:16.46 | pb_laptop | i use stable in any server |
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| 00:17.11 | pb_laptop | this thinkpad runs something like stable (but backports and other magc) |
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| 00:17.16 | pb_laptop | magic |
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| 00:17.39 | trost | this thinkpad runs debian squeeze ;) |
| 00:17.42 | dondelelcaro | trost: yeah, that's not all that unusual; it's just that you need to know what the problems are with testing, and complaining about things that are a necessary consequence of what testing is are annoying to maintainers |
| 00:17.48 | trost | with all the bugs that come with it :P |
| 00:17.54 | pb_laptop | :) |
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| 00:18.00 | pb_laptop | mine does what i say |
| 00:18.03 | dondelelcaro | (and some maintainers will tell you not to use it) |
| 00:18.38 | dondelelcaro | I personally think it's a reasonable choice, but then again, I don't maintain packages like nautilus which have a massive number of users, a good fraction of whom aren't tech-savy |
| 00:18.55 | trost | i see you point dondelelcaro |
| 00:19.28 | trost | needs to give arch linux a try. |
| 00:19.29 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not as familiar with how debian as developed) |
| 00:19.47 | pb_laptop | the problem comes, because, e.g. in #debian-es most of people say "beh, use testing, is more bleeding edge" to novice users... then nautilus brokes... then... |
| 00:21.01 | pingouin | is it a bad idea to use newer libc from testing in a stable lenny ? i need at least glibc 2.8 to build some sources ? |
| 00:21.07 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: yes |
| 00:21.13 | pingouin | :/ |
| 00:21.18 | trost | hehe |
| 00:21.21 | pb_laptop | my question use to be "do you want to be a beta tester or just to do things with the machine?" |
| 00:21.22 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: and there shouldn't be much that needs a newer libc |
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| 00:21.34 | trost | those are the problems that i was talking about in the stable release |
| 00:21.52 | peterS | pingouin: the thing about libc - _usually_ it works fine with your existing software ... but if it does happen to break, likely your whole system is fubar |
| 00:21.54 | babilen | pingouin: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's not really intuitive, the way bugs are already fixed but not in testing... |
| 00:22.24 | peterS | also, updating libc6 is a great way to come complaining to us 3 months later when you suddenly need to install 'locales' or 'libc6-dev' and you can't 'cause your versions don't match |
| 00:22.32 | pingouin | dondelelcaro: ok thanks for the clue :/ |
| 00:22.49 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: what exactly are you doing, BTW? there's not much that should be tied to a specific libc6 version |
| 00:22.58 | pingouin | peterS: ok, i'm not good enough to handle lib crash in case of troubles so, i hold my hands in the pockets |
| 00:23.03 | nsadmin | pingouin maybe you can stick the 2.8 in your home dir, and tell your build to use that |
| 00:23.03 | dondelelcaro | (and if there is, it's going to be horribly non-portable) |
| 00:23.13 | pb_laptop | trost, the problem is, versionsis (like psicosis) I'm just happy programing in vi in stable (and also browsing flash sites when needed) |
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| 00:23.37 | jebba | is there any way to reconstruct a .deb from something that is already installed? Like a reverse dpkg -i ;) |
| 00:23.47 | peterS | jebba: yeah, there is a dpkg-repack packages |
| 00:23.48 | babilen | pingouin: which software needs the newer libc? |
| 00:23.48 | peterS | package |
| 00:24.07 | pingouin | babilen dondelelcaro : try to run Iron and it's answer is : /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by ./iron) |
| 00:24.24 | pingouin | nsadmin: it's possible to do that ?! |
| 00:24.45 | trost | pb_laptop : some times u end up needing to compile a custom kernel and x11 need to be upgraded to work correctly with the intel driver |
| 00:24.55 | trost | or perhaps you would need a newer version of the intel driver :P |
| 00:25.19 | babilen | pingouin: install the newer libc locally (in you home for example) and set LD_PRELOAD accordingly |
| 00:25.25 | trost | stable is not the answer. :) |
| 00:25.32 | nsadmin | pingouin probably... but you'll have to put it all there manually, or else build it there (latter choice being slower but more reliable |
| 00:25.34 | nsadmin | ( |
| 00:25.38 | nsadmin | )) |
| 00:25.59 | jebba | rad, thx peterS :) |
| 00:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, about 40 more minutes until the next guy says "happy new year" |
| 00:26.07 | pb_laptop | trost, sure, for hardware related issues don't... hardware newer than lenny is what is |
| 00:26.26 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: those Londoners! ;-) |
| 00:26.27 | pingouin | babilen nsadmin : ok , have to check how to do that |
| 00:26.30 | pingouin | thanks |
| 00:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, are you now giving out advice in (lisp)? |
| 00:26.48 | dvs | Oh wait. They've gone already |
| 00:26.53 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: who's in the UTC-1 timezone though? that's mostly the atlantic ocean |
| 00:27.12 | peterS | maybe ireland or iceland are in it? |
| 00:27.30 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: (car '(yes . no)) |
| 00:27.34 | peterS | possibly bits of west africa, but I'm thinking not |
| 00:27.38 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: oh, sounds like some binary-only garbage; yeah, if you can't build it yourself, they really should be shipping it built statically or with LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY_PATH scripts to do it all) |
| 00:27.47 | trost | "428 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 85 not upgraded. Need to get 294MB of archives." :( |
| 00:27.50 | babilen | peterS: azores |
| 00:28.25 | babilen | pingouin: What is "Iron" ? |
| 00:28.59 | peterS | babilen: ah yes and Cape Verde |
| 00:29.03 | pingouin | babilen: a browser |
| 00:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, dunno, but it'd be neat to see a movie of the dark side of earth of those 24 hours - possibly skipping 45 minutes between each xx:10 and xx:55 |
| 00:29.27 | pb_laptop | "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." <-- lenny, continue _using_ the system |
| 00:29.34 | babilen | pingouin: can you compile it yourself? or contact upstream to get a statically linked binary |
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| 00:29.51 | pingouin | babilen: have to learn some stuff i guess |
| 00:30.45 | babilen | pingouin: or use another browser ;-) |
| 00:30.56 | peterS | cd /usr/share/zoneinfo; for f in */*; do if env TZ=$f date | grep -q 23:; then echo $f; fi; done |
| 00:31.13 | peterS | ... is how to see which named timezones will turn New Years Day next hour |
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| 00:31.42 | pingouin | babilen: :D |
| 00:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... pingouin that's why they call it "the browser of the future" - you can't run it NOW |
| 00:31.44 | trost | every when do you guys upgrade your installation of debian squeeze ? |
| 00:31.54 | pingouin | CutMeOwnThroat: :D |
| 00:31.55 | dvs | Iceland? |
| 00:31.59 | trost | "healthy to upgrade everyday ? :) |
| 00:32.05 | babilen | trost: sure |
| 00:32.24 | nsadmin | sometimes it is, sometimes it's not... you gotta read the bts |
| 00:32.33 | peterS | dvs: no, 'TZ=Atlantic/Reykjavik date' indicates it is on UTC |
| 00:32.43 | nsadmin | more specifically.... |
| 00:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingouin, but obviously you can compile it yourself |
| 00:33.09 | dvs | peterS: Then it has to be Greenland |
| 00:33.19 | nsadmin | start the upgrade, get the list of packages, then read the bts on each package, then decide... will you upgrade today? |
| 00:33.29 | peterS | dvs: run the shell snippet I posted a couple minutes ago, to see for yourself |
| 00:33.53 | pingouin | CutMeOwnThroat: but the version of libc still be the problem |
| 00:33.56 | babilen | nsadmin: that's a bit overkill. But basically you are right. apt-listbugs does most of the work though .. |
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| 00:34.48 | nsadmin | babilen: true, many people don't do that and they still have machines... |
| 00:34.53 | babilen | hehe |
| 00:34.56 | nsadmin | but it depends on the purpose |
| 00:35.40 | nsadmin | the most anarchistic user probably doesn't want debian anyway, he wants LFS |
| 00:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | pingouin, why? |
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| 00:36.06 | pb_laptop | or a asm compiler |
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| 00:36.18 | nsadmin | while others may appreciate the stability and freedom from bugs that debian offers |
| 00:36.33 | nsadmin | "asm compiler" == "assembler" |
| 00:36.35 | niklaswe | happy new year |
| 00:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, did you mean anarchic or anachronistic? |
| 00:36.54 | nsadmin | anarch |
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| 00:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, I see |
| 00:37.30 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: meaning the guy that wants max freedom, max "I'll do what I want" |
| 00:37.34 | dvs | It is Greenland! |
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| 00:37.56 | pb_laptop | lol free as in freedom, anarch like "in the U.K. (sex pistols (C))" |
| 00:37.58 | nsadmin | paints greenland red |
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| 00:38.39 | pb_laptop | hi person |
| 00:38.58 | person | Hi pb_laptop |
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| 00:39.38 | nsadmin | I'm implying those guys probably don't like any package mgmt |
| 00:40.12 | pb_laptop | and don't like ssecurity tracking of /usr/local hand maked bins |
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| 00:42.20 | nsadmin | but they'll use slackware or build their own LFS |
| 00:42.49 | pb_laptop | last week I turned of a RH (7.1) server with all services hand-builded in /usr/local... without updates since... 199X |
| 00:42.59 | pb_laptop | (not mine) |
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| 00:45.05 | babilen | pb_laptop: thank you |
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| 00:45.33 | nsadmin | but if we ignore the LFS preferring folks... most debian users prefer to have stuff built for them... |
| 00:46.07 | pb_laptop | and a security team working daily in your OS |
| 00:46.26 | nsadmin | right... debian provides all that |
| 00:46.33 | pasky | hmm, so what exactly is wrong with grabbing libc from squeeze and putting it in lenny? |
| 00:46.43 | pasky | i've done similar hacks couple of times and it worked fine |
| 00:46.52 | nsadmin | pasky: you;ll probably break your whole system |
| 00:46.54 | pb_laptop | pasky, libc for linux is like IE for windows... |
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| 00:47.05 | pasky | nsadmin: how so? |
| 00:47.06 | pb_laptop | or... whatever |
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| 00:47.28 | nsadmin | divide it into two parts, abi and packaging |
| 00:47.31 | pb_laptop | pasky, a distribution, is a set of sources build over a toolchain |
| 00:47.47 | pb_laptop | you change the toolchain, or the core... you don'thave that distribution |
| 00:47.50 | pasky | sure, but glibc is backwards-compatible |
| 00:48.07 | pb_laptop | but all prebuilt packages... |
| 00:48.21 | pasky | ...should still work fine with newer glibc? |
| 00:48.27 | nsadmin | if you actually install the libc package of that version, then you break the dependency graph for most of the packages with binary executables |
| 00:48.40 | pb_laptop | pasky, don't know, I've never changed libc |
| 00:48.43 | pasky | nsadmin: you shouldn't if you install *newer* package? |
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| 00:48.55 | pasky | *version |
| 00:49.13 | nsadmin | pasky: at that point you might as well upgrade |
| 00:49.16 | babilen | ie: upgrade your system to testing/unstable/whatever |
| 00:49.26 | nsadmin | but let's look at abi side |
| 00:49.48 | nsadmin | if the abi changes between versions... you're royally screwed :) |
| 00:49.55 | pb_laptop | maybe it's backward compatible... and maybe there are lot of new bugs mixing untested versions of things |
| 00:49.57 | pasky | nsadmin: but it never does |
| 00:50.10 | pasky | in an incompatible fashion that is |
| 00:50.55 | pasky | pb_laptop: it's hard to rule them out but they are fairly unlikely either, in the particular case of glibc |
| 00:51.21 | pb_laptop | pasky, you convinced me... try it :) change _your_ libc :) come on |
| 00:51.31 | pasky | pb_laptop: well i've done it couple of times |
| 00:51.43 | pb_laptop | cool |
| 00:51.46 | pasky | and it worked fine |
| 00:52.00 | nsadmin | can you do it in such a way it's reversable, and you're not affecting packaging? |
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| 00:52.42 | DimmuR | onehappy new year to everyone!! |
| 00:52.51 | pasky | nsadmin: *downgrading* glibc is a wholly different matter, I'm not sure I can; I don't know what you mean by the second part |
| 00:52.52 | nsadmin | I guess if you crack the package yourself and drop the libs to somewhere systemwide |
| 00:53.16 | pasky | why not just install the package itself? |
| 00:53.28 | nsadmin | then you've broken the dep graph |
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| 00:53.36 | pasky | how did i break it? |
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| 00:53.51 | nsadmin | by installing the package |
| 00:53.53 | pasky | what package in lenny depends on exact libc version in lenny? |
| 00:54.12 | nsadmin | all of them? :) |
| 00:54.20 | pasky | nsadmin: can you give an example? |
| 00:54.33 | nsadmin | let's see |
| 00:54.51 | nsadmin | well let's look at a general rule first: |
| 00:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, at least this should be easy to disprove: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~) |
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| 00:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... needs only a single package that says >= to show that not ALL packages depend on a single version of libc |
| 00:56.18 | nsadmin | in debhelper, there is a thing that looks at the existing libs that are used to build something, and putting the version name in the deps of the package |
| 00:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually I also suspect none do |
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| 00:56.40 | pasky | nsadmin: yes, but usually as >= |
| 00:56.45 | pasky | nsadmin: not = |
| 00:56.51 | pasky | CutMeOwnThroat: me too |
| 00:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, all packages that _do_ depend on a certain libc version are forced to be uninstalled or upgraded when you upgrade to a newer libc6 |
| 00:58.38 | nsadmin | but those packages that have a libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~) dep, are you saying they would all work with 2.8? |
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| 00:58.49 | pasky | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:59.05 | pasky | nsadmin: if they don't, that's a genuine glibc bug, and they are pretty rare |
| 00:59.33 | pb_laptop | Once upon a time, a system with libc changed, and then came Merlin and the Dragons... |
| 00:59.48 | pasky | (that is, this kind of bugs; glibc has plenty of bugs otherwise ;) |
| 01:00.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, or the software has bugs that don't show with one version of glibc but become apparent with the other... |
| 01:00.04 | nsadmin | so that's different from installing a binary exeutable package built with (say) 2.8 in your 2.3.6 world |
| 01:00.40 | pasky | glibc is backwards-compatible but not forward-compatible |
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| 01:00.46 | goose | how can I start a screen detached? |
| 01:00.53 | pasky | if your app was compiled against new glibc, you are in trouble with older glibc |
| 01:01.00 | pasky | goose: hello to you too |
| 01:01.09 | goose | pasky: hallo and happy 2010 or soon to be :D |
| 01:01.37 | nsadmin | gawd it would be nice to meet soem women tonite |
| 01:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't believe in happy years |
| 01:01.43 | pasky | goose: the manpage says -d -m Start screen in "detached" mode. This creates a new session but doesn't attach to it. This is useful for system startup scripts. |
| 01:02.00 | nsadmin | happy ears? |
| 01:02.11 | pasky | *flap* *flap* |
| 01:02.22 | jelly-home | s/l//g |
| 01:02.23 | pasky | damn the champagne is raising to the head, i should better go offline ;) |
| 01:03.10 | nsadmin | well ok. if that's the case then all you're breaking would be the dep graph |
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| 01:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, you only have to do "apt-get install libc6 -t testing" on your system and see what packages apt wants to upgrade to see, that virtually no packages depend on the exact version, btw. |
| 01:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only one I didn't expect is actually "locales" |
| 01:04.12 | nsadmin | locales is part of libc tho isn'tit? |
| 01:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 01:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.23 | trost | cheers, im out! |
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| 01:05.13 | neosmatrix_ | A...happy...New...Year! |
| 01:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l |wc -l ----> 2601 |
| 01:05.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching |wc -l ----> 2601 |
| 01:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | neosmatrix_, like every hour |
| 01:05.45 | pasky | yes locales should come out from the eglibc source package |
| 01:05.52 | pasky | (or whatever the source package name is) |
| 01:05.58 | jelly-home | didn't expect UTC-1 |
| 01:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I didn't know |
| 01:06.02 | nsadmin | there's been so many new ears that by now I should have much more than two |
| 01:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shush |
| 01:06.11 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 01:06.42 | nsadmin | dpkg shhhhhh |
| 01:06.42 | dpkg | nsadmin: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:06.59 | pasky | dpkg i wish you a happy new year |
| 01:06.59 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, pasky |
| 01:07.02 | pasky | :( |
| 01:07.35 | jelly-home | dpkg: botsnack |
| 01:07.35 | dpkg | aw, gee, jelly-home |
| 01:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, happy new year |
| 01:07.48 | dpkg | happy gnu year, cutmeownthroat |
| 01:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | pasky, you just don't speak it's language |
| 01:08.22 | jelly-home | A celebration is in order. |
| 01:08.27 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 01:08.28 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 01:08.55 | dvs | yikes! |
| 01:09.24 | jelly-home | ooh, missed one |
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| 01:09.29 | jelly-home | !penixstrike dvs |
| 01:09.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dvs to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:09.36 | dvs | ewwwwwwwwww |
| 01:10.13 | dvs | calls in the Air Farce |
| 01:10.54 | jelly-home | dpkg: listkeys strike |
| 01:10.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'strike' by key (15 of 24): #debian-bots counter strike ;; CMD: delegatestrike2 (.*?) ;; CMD: penixstrike (.*?) ;; CMD: wmdstrike (.*?) ;; _default counter-strike ;; counter strike ;; counter strike server #del# ;; counter-strike ;; counter-strike servers #del# ;; counterstrike ;; kawfeestrike ;; kawfeestrike (.?*) ;; penixstrike ;; vegastrike ;; x strike force. |
| 01:11.44 | jelly-home | dpkg: listkeys sheep |
| 01:11.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sheep' by key (10): sheepshaver ;; cmd: sheep (.*?) ;; liverpool sheep ;; sheeple ;; electricsheep ;; _default sheep ;; CMD: sheepy (.*?) ;; start a sheep war ;; fucking sheep ;; sheep. |
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| 01:13.08 | jelly-home | !start a sheep war |
| 01:13.09 | dpkg | Baaaah. Baaah? Baaaaaaah!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | works for me |
| 01:14.37 | nike | How do I tell what port a given network daemon is listening on with netstat? |
| 01:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | netstat -an? |
| 01:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a splendid thing called "manpage", btw |
| 01:15.35 | jelly-home | add a p to the arguemnt mix and you may be getting somewhere |
| 01:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... how do you tell? |
| 01:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 01:16.16 | pb_laptop | the core of the issue... _why_ with netstat ? |
| 01:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, point |
| 01:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's that |
| 01:16.35 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: possibly with | festival |
| 01:16.58 | jelly-home | no, that'd be the computer telling |
| 01:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, noooooooooooooooo! (got all those o's from you on previous days) |
| 01:17.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, or partying |
| 01:17.36 | jelly-home | and here I thought they were below the desk |
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| 01:36.26 | SteveHH | /me |
| 01:36.43 | macrobat | does something |
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| 01:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! me, me, meeeeee! |
| 01:37.48 | SteveHH | Ich wünsche allen Usern des IRC ein gesundes, glückliches und hoffentlich erfolgreiches neues Jahr ! Mögen alle Eure Wünsche in Erfüllung gehen ! |
| 01:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's in #happynewyear |
| 01:38.35 | xand | !de |
| 01:38.35 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 01:38.56 | macrobat | danke |
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| 01:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't see what's so "new" with 2009 |
| 01:41.11 | pb_laptop | see /etc/cron.yearly |
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| 01:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | thank god we don't have to run /etc/cron.centennial anytime soon again, THAT was a strain |
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| 01:43.21 | babilen | happy centennial apert! |
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| 01:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's apert? |
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| 01:59.53 | Promi | happy new year 1970! |
| 02:00.00 | dvs | ?? |
| 02:00.52 | Promi | my pc clock says it's 01.01.1970 now |
| 02:01.18 | AimHere | Well that's because it wrapped around. It's actually February 2038 |
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| 02:03.48 | jimcooncat | Where to look for small devices (routers with storage), not vaporware, that can run Debian well? |
| 02:04.30 | Promi | ebay ^^ |
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| 02:05.23 | jimcooncat | thks Promi -- what to look for? |
| 02:05.53 | jebba | If i have a directory full of .debs, how do i make them "visible" to apt/dpkg so it will grab dependencies that are located in there? |
| 02:06.00 | Promi | well just look for cheap systems and then google for debian + the system name |
| 02:06.08 | Promi | should do the job perfectly fine |
| 02:06.46 | pb_laptop | jebba, man dpkg-scanpackages if you don't want to build a "standard" repository with branches etc |
| 02:06.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any common belief or practice that Debian testing is chosen more for desktops than the stable version by chance? Im just wondering. |
| 02:07.06 | jebba | pb_laptop: ok, ya, then file deb foo thx |
| 02:07.14 | Promi | well debian testing is always uptodate |
| 02:07.19 | jebba | sometimes askign the question makes you figure it out heeh |
| 02:07.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | jebba: Have you not tried installing them with "dpkg -i *.deb"? |
| 02:07.29 | Promi | but stable works fine, if you dont need the testing features |
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| 02:08.10 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: it depends on the target .. if i were in charge of say a 500 desktop deployment, i wouldn't want to be chasing issues with testing |
| 02:08.53 | jebba | LinuxGuy2009: i dont' want all of them though, thx |
| 02:08.58 | cast | i've always used stable for my home desktops, with a bpo kernel |
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| 02:09.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | jebba: Quick and easy way I do it is to use aptoncd to make an ISO. Mount the iso to a folder and add to sources list. Takes like 2mins and its easy as pie. |
| 02:10.20 | jebba | ya, aint an iso tho |
| 02:10.34 | jebba | doing it a'la dpkg-scanpacakge and deb file:/// foo |
| 02:10.40 | Promi | yeah bpo is sometimes needed, though stable has a 2.6.26 kernel that should work fine on non-bleeding-edge hardware |
| 02:10.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.28 | jebba | LinuxGuy2009: no, i already have it working |
| 02:11.33 | jebba | why make an ISO? |
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| 02:11.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.50 | jebba | making an ISO is over my head hahah |
| 02:12.12 | jebba | it's pointless to make a full ISO if it's not needed. |
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| 02:12.43 | pb_laptop | dpkg-scanpackages the/repo/ /dev/null | gzip -9c > the/repo/Packages.gz # ugly |
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| 02:12.48 | jebba | pb_laptop's advice was far saner and worked quickly. Making an ISO is way extra steps unncessary |
| 02:12.56 | jebba | ya pb_laptop i got it going alrready thx |
| 02:12.58 | zig_ | Will installing a PCI NIC in my system improve its performance over using the on-board NIC? |
| 02:13.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.10 | jebba | new to what? |
| 02:13.17 | pb_laptop | to 2010 |
| 02:13.21 | jebba | heh |
| 02:13.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.22 | zig_ | Or rather, I should say just the mobo's network interface. I guess what I'm wondering is whether the on-board network interface offloads network processing to the CPU |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | zig_: that depends on the two NICs in questoin |
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| 02:14.19 | zig_ | Okay, I have an SMC1411TX network card here. It's old, but, looking at it, it appears to have an IC on it. |
| 02:14.31 | zig_ | I would presume that IC processes network traffic, but I'm not sure. |
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| 02:14.49 | zig_ | I am entirely uncertain about the motherboard's networking setup, let me get the specs |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | what's wrong with your current network performance ? |
| 02:15.06 | pb_laptop | zig_, usualy, integrated nic use the same bus as slotable nic |
| 02:15.27 | pb_laptop | so performance should be equal |
| 02:15.28 | zig_ | The NIC on the motherboard is a Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC |
| 02:15.32 | zig_ | Oh, really? |
| 02:15.45 | pb_laptop | unless you plugin a more speed card... yes |
| 02:15.59 | abrotman | what's wrong with your current network performance ? |
| 02:16.05 | pb_laptop | e.g. integrated=100mbps and you plugin a 1000mbps |
| 02:16.14 | zig_ | It's not about the network, it's about the CPU. |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | i doubt it uses enough CPU for you to notice unless you're transferring the LoC |
| 02:16.37 | pb_laptop | anyway, the bus (and interrupts) will be pci |
| 02:16.39 | zig_ | I have a salad-tron CPU, so it has limited cache. From what I was researching, CPU's with little cache don't multitask as well as those with more cache. |
| 02:17.00 | zig_ | So, I installed a sound card on my system. It's a crappy old SB Live! Value |
| 02:17.04 | cast | a salad-tron? what a weird name |
| 02:17.08 | zig_ | But, after installing, my system performance improved noticably. |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | celeron |
| 02:17.20 | cast | ahh. |
| 02:17.26 | zig_ | And I think it's because of the simple fact that I was offloading work from the CPU this way |
| 02:17.33 | zig_ | Thus, relieving the CPU of multitasking the sound |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | zig_: is it one of the PII celerons ? |
| 02:17.42 | zig_ | abrotman: It's a Celeron D 320 |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | zig_: should be fine |
| 02:17.56 | zig_ | or 352, I can't recall. But at any rate, my performance was improved. |
| 02:18.06 | zig_ | Likewise, I installed a video graphics accelerator with the same (obvious) results. |
| 02:18.23 | zig_ | I continued to install add-on cards, and I was noticing consistent improvements in performance with each installation. |
| 02:18.40 | zig_ | I think this is all because on-board hardware likes to offload all its work to the CPU. |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | so add a PCI NIC |
| 02:18.46 | zig_ | Right |
| 02:18.57 | zig_ | I was just wondering if anyone had experience with the sort of thing I'm talking about |
| 02:19.23 | pb_laptop | errr you can monitor interupts |
| 02:19.28 | zig_ | And also, whether this NIC will in fact do the processing, or will it just offload it to the CPU like the on-board one. It's difficult to tell. |
| 02:19.38 | pb_laptop | watch -n 1 'cat /proc/interrupts' |
| 02:19.40 | cast | i heard once, but don't know what consequence it had, someone mention the realtek 8139 was crap because it generated an interrupt for every packet |
| 02:19.45 | zig_ | Maybe I should be asking if anyone knows of a good, reputable NIC manufacturer. |
| 02:19.48 | pb_laptop | and see if NIC is on top |
| 02:19.53 | zig_ | cast: Really |
| 02:20.03 | zig_ | cast: I'd believe it. All on-board stuff seems to be utter crap. |
| 02:20.22 | pb_laptop | zig_, 3com used to be good cards on the 100Mb ages |
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| 02:20.48 | pb_laptop | I had never any issue with them |
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| 02:21.04 | zig_ | I know the Killer NIC advertises that it, in fact, offloads all the work from the CPU |
| 02:21.14 | mshindo | hi, wondering if someone can tell me if its possible to package kernel modules in a deb ? |
| 02:21.24 | zig_ | So I guess I could bank on that getting the job done... anyway, I'm going to go take a look at /proc/interrupts with the current chip |
| 02:21.25 | dondelelcaro | mshindo: yes, that's actually how you should do it |
| 02:21.27 | zig_ | brb |
| 02:21.37 | dondelelcaro | mshindo: see module-assistant and the various -source packages for an example |
| 02:21.46 | mshindo | thanks |
| 02:22.10 | pb_laptop | some new dell servers has that "hardware network aceleration" in the nics but i didn't test it |
| 02:22.11 | zig_ | BTW: I had no idea that this sort of thing was going on. |
| 02:22.25 | zig_ | I was very surprised about this add-on card stuff |
| 02:22.32 | zig_ | Literally my performance has jumped very noticably. |
| 02:22.45 | zig_ | It's terribly obvious, actually. It may be because I'm using a Celeron, though. |
| 02:22.59 | zig_ | Like I said, Celerons don't multitask well because of their midget-sized L2 cache |
| 02:23.19 | zig_ | So as a result, if it's trying to do all sorts of different processing, it has to constantly swap out the L2 cache to RAM and back and forth |
| 02:23.25 | zig_ | Which is slow, obviously. |
| 02:23.29 | cast | i figure there's a reason intel nics cost 5x more than the dirt cheap ones [like realtek], as for the killer nic....i've never seen one of those in a server at work |
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| 02:23.44 | zig_ | Yeah. |
| 02:23.51 | zig_ | What about SATA controller cards |
| 02:23.53 | cast | "In the kernel source code for the FreeBSD operating system, one device driver file goes as far as calling the 8139 card "probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made", noting that "the RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers."" |
| 02:23.54 | zig_ | I'm wondering about those, now |
| 02:24.06 | zig_ | LOL |
| 02:24.07 | zig_ | That is hilarious |
| 02:24.12 | dondelelcaro | cast: yes, it certainly is one of the worst cards ever made |
| 02:24.23 | zig_ | Well |
| 02:24.33 | zig_ | That tells me that this add-on card certainly couldn't be any worse. |
| 02:24.34 | zig_ | Okay, brb |
| 02:24.37 | dondelelcaro | it's amazing how well it works |
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| 02:35.25 | zig_ | Okay |
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| 02:35.35 | zig_ | I'm looking at watch -n 1 'cat /proc/interrupts' |
| 02:35.42 | zig_ | I've never looked at this before. |
| 02:35.51 | zig_ | I see a list of what look like drivers. |
| 02:36.12 | zig_ | There's an entry here: 20: 1235 IO-APIC-fasteoi eth0 |
| 02:36.36 | zig_ | Wow |
| 02:36.47 | zig_ | Every time I do something on the network the number next to eth0 jumps drastically |
| 02:36.50 | zig_ | It's up to 1600 now |
| 02:36.55 | zig_ | Now 1700 |
| 02:37.24 | pb_laptop | maybe you are right about replacing that NIC chipset :) |
| 02:37.33 | zig_ | It's 5500 now |
| 02:37.37 | zig_ | Just from visiting slashdot.org |
| 02:37.44 | zig_ | Every time I say something in here it jumps about 100 |
| 02:37.48 | zig_ | wtf... |
| 02:37.49 | dondelelcaro | zig_: that's normal |
| 02:37.59 | zig_ | Normal for this particular chipset? |
| 02:38.04 | zig_ | Or normal for any NIC |
| 02:38.06 | dondelelcaro | network events trigger interrupts; that's what's supposed to happen |
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| 02:39.39 | dondelelcaro | (I have 8 lines of interrupts, all of which are well over 800K) |
| 02:39.55 | dondelelcaro | (and this machine has only been running for 5 days) |
| 02:40.05 | zig_ | From visiting bestbuy.com, it jumped by 1000 |
| 02:40.25 | zig_ | 1000 interrupts just for visiting _a_ website? |
| 02:40.29 | zig_ | Doesn't that seem like a bit much? |
| 02:40.33 | dondelelcaro | zig_: yes, if you use the network, packets generate interrupts, and that's normal |
| 02:40.37 | zig_ | I'm going to install this NIC and see what happens. |
| 02:40.40 | zig_ | brb |
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| 02:41.51 | pb_laptop | zig_, bestbuy.com makes about 300 interupts (- irc tabs) in my eth1 |
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| 02:43.42 | xxploit | question, would some1 happen to know what one must do when installing the package oss4-dkms, it runs thru and builds the modules and upon reboot says failed to start, no kernel modules detected |
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| 02:45.58 | knight_ | hello |
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| 02:50.40 | zig_ | Okay |
| 02:50.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | There any apps available to make theme, pointer, etc creation easier? Or are they all done by hand editing? |
| 02:51.04 | zig_ | This old SMC 100BT NIC only makes about 300 interrupts |
| 02:51.18 | zig_ | Whereas the realtek on-board NIC used up about 1000 for visiting bestbuy.com |
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| 02:51.57 | zig_ | So yes, interrupts will obviously be made... but that garbage realtek one sure seems to make way more than it needs to. |
| 02:52.32 | pb_laptop | now you only need a pci CPU to improve that celeron |
| 02:52.35 | pb_laptop | :) |
| 02:52.43 | zig_ | It's settled, then. The Realtek 8139 is utter garbage. |
| 02:52.53 | zig_ | I'll make a note of that. |
| 02:53.03 | zig_ | Okay, bbiab then. Going to go ahead and disable the on-board NIC |
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| 02:53.33 | pb_laptop | LinuxGuy2009, I don't know about any... but you can make scripts in gimp to automate things |
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| 02:55.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | pb_laptop: Im having trouble just downloading a metacity theme and editing it. hehe |
| 02:56.45 | pb_laptop | mmm If I remember well, there are (oficial) tutorials for metacity, gtk, etc... but graphic tools to make themes... i don't know |
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| 02:57.41 | pb_laptop | http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html |
| 02:57.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | thanks |
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| 02:58.39 | pb_laptop | is (C) 2002, so maybe outdated :/ |
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| 03:00.25 | arbir | hello |
| 03:00.51 | babilen | pb_laptop: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes |
| 03:00.56 | arbir | i am installing a server for my development purposes, and i see that, the default parittion scheme, allocated 1.5 gig as swap and 3 gigs as swap ? is this alright for size ? |
| 03:01.01 | zig_ | This makes me wonder now how a 3com would perform. |
| 03:01.08 | arbir | *3 gigs as /var * |
| 03:01.17 | zig_ | So you can sort of determine how much work is being offloaded to the CPU by watching /proc/interrupts |
| 03:01.20 | zig_ | Very cool |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | arbir: depends on the purpose of the machine |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | and what packges will be installed, etc |
| 03:02.03 | zig_ | This SMC card uses 300 interrupts for loading bestbuy.com, whereas the Realtek on-board 8139 required 1000. |
| 03:02.04 | arbir | abrotman: i basically develop in ruby, php, python and mono. |
| 03:02.13 | zig_ | I wonder how many the 3com card I have laying around would require. Probably less. |
| 03:02.22 | arbir | abrotman: and its a development server.. not to be production facing yet... |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | arbir: if you're really confused, you can just make a / and be done with it |
| 03:02.33 | arbir | abrotman: my machine is a p4-2ghz with 512 mb of ram |
| 03:02.44 | arbir | abrotman: no :-).. i want to learn well. |
| 03:02.59 | arbir | abrotman: that is always the easy way out. but i will never learn... |
| 03:03.02 | zig_ | If a card can use DMA, and it did all the packet processing on the NIC, would it be safe to say one could potentially get that number under 100 for loading a page like bestbuy.com? |
| 03:03.07 | pb_laptop | arbir, by default, logs, mysql and apache goes to /var |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | arbir: you could also learn about LVM |
| 03:03.29 | arbir | pb_laptop: i generally move mysql to /home/mysql.. |
| 03:03.32 | zig_ | Because the way I look at it, the NIC would need almost nothing from the CPU under those conditions. |
| 03:03.36 | arbir | abrotman: whats LVM ? |
| 03:03.42 | abrotman | !tell arbir about lvm |
| 03:04.16 | arbir | pb_laptop: aaah abrotman :-) thanks for that. |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | arbir: the reason i said that it depends on what packages .. by default, mail/databases/logs/pilesofotherthings go into /var/ |
| 03:04.48 | arbir | abrotman: so it will be basically LAMP and python, ruby and mono. |
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| 03:04.59 | arbir | abrotman: SVN too! |
| 03:06.08 | arbir | abrotman: is it normall to allocate swap as 3 x memory ? |
| 03:07.13 | abrotman | arbir: is it a server or a desktop ? |
| 03:07.21 | arbir | abrotman: purely a server. |
| 03:07.43 | zig_ | Oh wow. Killer NIC's are actually a linux computer on a card. |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | ultimately up to you .. you can always create a swap file later |
| 03:08.15 | arbir | i see.. alright |
| 03:08.28 | arbir | let me play around with this... i really need to get a good install to evaluate debian.. |
| 03:08.55 | arbir | i am right now, in between a ubuntu server or debian server :-).. so i need my own experience to decide |
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| 03:09.07 | sixtila_ | happy new year #debian |
| 03:09.11 | zig_ | Happy new year! |
| 03:09.16 | zig_ | I'm off to see a film now. Bye. |
| 03:09.24 | sixtila_ | bye |
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| 03:10.07 | arbir | sixtila_: not yet here, but happy new year to you! |
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| 03:10.20 | sixtila_ | arbir where u? |
| 03:10.25 | arbir | Calgary |
| 03:10.33 | Rafase282 | hello, can anyone help me install debian on my g1? |
| 03:10.35 | arbir | mountain standard time gmt -7000 |
| 03:10.35 | sixtila_ | which country |
| 03:10.39 | arbir | Canada |
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| 03:10.46 | arbir | how about you sixtila_ ? |
| 03:10.51 | sixtila_ | ok, 2 hrs for me |
| 03:10.53 | sixtila_ | EST |
| 03:11.09 | arbir | sixtila_: i see, where are you ? |
| 03:11.15 | sixtila_ | indiana |
| 03:11.27 | arbir | sixtila_: well.. not too cold there now , is it ? |
| 03:11.34 | sixtila_ | not as it used to be |
| 03:11.40 | sixtila_ | i bet u r freezing out there |
| 03:11.41 | babilen | !ot |
| 03:11.41 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:11.44 | arbir | sixtila_: its damn cold here today at -30F with the wind chilll :-( |
| 03:11.54 | Tommy_DO | happy new year, #debian! |
| 03:12.06 | sixtila_ | holy s*it , -30!!! |
| 03:12.23 | sixtila_ | thanks Tommy_DO same to u man |
| 03:12.31 | sixtila_ | happy new year babilen |
| 03:12.41 | babilen | :-D |
| 03:13.14 | sixtila_ | babilen so i believe my installation cd must be corrupt |
| 03:13.27 | babilen | but still: head over to #debian-offtopic .. we serve coffee, cookies and beer there and it's the right channel for ot discussions |
| 03:13.29 | sixtila_ | stresstestapp said no error also |
| 03:13.33 | babilen | sixtila_: so it seems ... |
| 03:13.43 | babilen | sixtila_: but no time right now .. |
| 03:13.53 | sixtila_ | ya, its cool dude |
| 03:13.58 | sixtila_ | i m happy my hardware is good |
| 03:14.09 | sixtila_ | i cant pay for it the second time :-| |
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| 03:30.10 | arbir | hello.. why is exim installed by default ? is it necessary to keep exim running ? i am just running a simple web server with some application frameworks.. no email etc |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | !tell arbir about why an mta |
| 03:31.54 | arbir | abrotman: who gets all that mail ? root ? |
| 03:32.22 | abrotman | technically you should alias root to a real user |
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| 03:33.58 | arbir | abrotman: hmmm..... so i still have work to do, to setup those things.. |
| 03:34.31 | arbir | abrotman: sorry for so many basic questions... i am from an arch linux background... no mta's etc in those. |
| 03:34.53 | arbir | abrotman: is the kernel compiled differently for server and desktop systems on debian ? |
| 03:35.04 | pb_laptop | no |
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| 03:39.36 | kolpur | my network status icon is not working fine .. what could be the problem ? |
| 03:39.59 | kolpur | NetworkManager Applet 0.7.2 |
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| 03:41.13 | pb_laptop | !versions network-manager-gnome |
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| 03:42.17 | pb_laptop | kolpur, if you're not in debian stable, check for bugs (after basic network troubleshoting and check logs) |
| 03:42.26 | babilen | judd: versions network-manager-gnome |
| 03:42.27 | judd | babilen: network-manager-gnome -- etch: 0.6.4-6 etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1 lenny: 0.6.6-4 lenny-security: 0.6.6-4+lenny1 lenny-backports: 0.7.1-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.7.2-1 squeeze: 0.7.2-1 |
| 03:42.53 | kolpur | i am on debian testing ... |
| 03:43.06 | kolpur | Gnome network manager 0.7.2 |
| 03:43.11 | babilen | kolpur: please elaborate on 'not working fine' |
| 03:43.36 | nsadmin | more than just elaborate. specify exactly. |
| 03:43.36 | abrotman | kolpur: did you tell network-manager to manage your network ? |
| 03:43.36 | kolpur | even though my network is on, the icon is showing as network is down |
| 03:44.08 | kolpur | when i left click on the icon its displaying device not managed .. |
| 03:44.24 | kolpur | but the device is working fine .. |
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| 04:04.49 | Rafase282 | has anyone here installed debian on an htc dream device? |
| 04:04.53 | Rafase282 | ext4 partition |
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| 04:18.37 | mhall | Hey everybody. I would like some advice on migrating my Debian install from my 80 GB notebook drive to a 500 GB notebook drive. Every time I have tried to move around an install done with GRUB it always failed horribly, it only worked for me back in the LILO days |
| 04:18.41 | mhall | Any advice? |
| 04:20.19 | liable | dont see why grub would make it fail horribly |
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| 04:20.55 | mhall | liable: Neither did I but every instance of it failed badly for me and I'd like to get it right this time. |
| 04:21.05 | xk | mhall: it failed for me, too. |
| 04:21.09 | xk | it is best to reinstall grub |
| 04:21.13 | bluefishy | hi, I have a dsc and related source tar.gz that I build using dpkg-source -b, how can I get this into a deb file ? |
| 04:21.56 | xk | bluefishy: apt-get -b source pkgname |
| 04:21.57 | xk | or |
| 04:22.11 | xk | bluefishy: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b -d |
| 04:22.31 | xk | but you need to "extract" the source with dpkg-source -x blah.dsc |
| 04:22.51 | mhall | xk: how does one do that properly? i always get bizarre errors |
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| 04:23.02 | mhall | xk: grub seems to hate being reinstalled from a live cd or chroot |
| 04:23.24 | mhall | xk: with lilo it was easy, chroot to new root partition from live cd, run lilo, done |
| 04:23.32 | mhall | xk: with grub i can never figure it out |
| 04:23.35 | xk | yeah, lilo was simple and easy... grub is slightly painful :> |
| 04:23.52 | mhall | xk: part of me is tempted to reinstall but hate to redownload many gigs of packages and shit |
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| 04:23.59 | xk | full reinstall? |
| 04:24.08 | mhall | xk: yeah at least then i'd know it'd work |
| 04:24.17 | xk | :( don't do that |
| 04:24.35 | xk | so you did you reinstall grub? |
| 04:24.50 | mhall | xk: have not begun procedure yet... gunshy from all the past failures |
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| 04:25.05 | mhall | xk: trying to learn from experience of others what i should do different this time :-D |
| 04:25.07 | xk | bluefishy: can you pastebin the message? |
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| 04:25.49 | bluefishy | it was successful |
| 04:25.51 | xk | mhall: when i reinstalled grub, I used the 'root' and 'setup' command. |
| 04:26.07 | xk | it worked most of the time, unless I had more than 1 SATA or IDE device, or a mix of IDE and SATA |
| 04:27.51 | mhall | xk: alright i will take a crack at it |
| 04:28.28 | mhall | Any suggestion of a good Live CD so I can do the rsync without anything open or busy? Knoppix was last updated in Feb 2009, looking kind of ancient. |
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| 04:29.45 | abrotman | a debian livecd ? |
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| 04:30.03 | abrotman | does it really matter as long as it has rsync ? |
| 04:30.51 | mhall | abrotman: well this is an 8510w notebook |
| 04:30.56 | mhall | abrotman: hp 8510w* |
| 04:31.02 | mhall | abrotman: so a lot of the stuff in it is sort of new |
| 04:31.04 | abrotman | okay .. and ? |
| 04:31.08 | lotus-blade | I have a AMD sempron processor that can do 64 bit os, what image should I dl? |
| 04:31.17 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 |
| 04:31.24 | mhall | abrotman: amd 64 |
| 04:31.35 | mhall | abrotman: oops that was for lotus-blade |
| 04:31.44 | lotus-blade | I thought that was just for the amd64 chip |
| 04:32.11 | abrotman | no |
| 04:32.14 | mhall | anyway i'm figuring it will be good to have something pretty fresh in case i need the network to work or some of the other peripherals, when i am getting things going from the live cd |
| 04:32.22 | mhall | and it has SATA disk controller, etc. |
| 04:32.24 | babilen | mhall: grml? |
| 04:32.47 | mhall | babilen: good call, i am gonna get that one |
| 04:33.14 | babilen | mhall: enjoy :-D |
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| 04:35.01 | mhall | i am getting three live cds just to be safe, heh... grml, debian live, and kubuntu. |
| 04:35.09 | mhall | i want my ass covered on this upgrade job |
| 04:35.17 | pingouin | what the {a} means, when i want to install a package ? like aptitude install <package>, it give some dependencies with this {a} |
| 04:35.19 | mhall | other such jobs have screwed me bad in the past |
| 04:35.20 | mhall | :( |
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| 04:38.53 | dhs_ | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
| 04:39.48 | babilen | mhall: why 3? I mean: you can always install software if something is missing ... |
| 04:40.15 | mhall | babilen: paranoia based on every single grub booted linux failing to transfer between drives for me in the past |
| 04:40.32 | mhall | babilen: i have never gotten this to work, and even now have no idea if it will work any better this time |
| 04:41.17 | babilen | mhall: i doubt that the number of live cds will change that |
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| 04:42.13 | mhall | babilen: yes that's true :-D |
| 04:42.29 | mhall | babilen: but at least this way i will have a couple options to work with if the shit hits the fan |
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| 04:48.33 | nike | Something is awry with PHP and MySQL. on lenny, I am trying to get phpBB working, but phpBB doesn't detect MySQL which is odd because mysqld is clearly running |
| 04:48.50 | nike | I have the php5-mysql package installed, but maybe something else needs to be installed as wel? |
| 04:49.47 | abrotman | is you do a phpinfo() .. do you see the mysql enabled ? |
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| 04:50.42 | arbir | hello, does ign mean ignored while doing an apt-get ? |
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| 04:52.28 | arbir | wont apt prompt you before installing something ? with a y/n message ? i am not getting that anymore... it just goes ahead and installs |
| 04:52.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | arbir: only if it needs to pull in dependancies |
| 04:53.19 | arbir | Kamping_Kaiser: aaah i see.....is there a way to make it prompt for each install ? |
| 04:54.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | arbir: don't know, check man 5 apt_preferences |
| 04:55.30 | ctmjr | arbir: why would you tell apt to install something then want it ask you if you want to install it |
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| 04:56.03 | arbir | ctmjr: cause, either, the size is too huge for me to download .. or maybe, for the version that it has pullled from a repo.. |
| 04:57.32 | ctmjr | arbir: oh am sorry that is usually what i do before i install something |
| 04:58.05 | arbir | ctmjr: it might even be a pinned package.... :-) |
| 04:58.17 | dhs_ | hello can any one help me in ip packate forwarding....? i am not getting net in client machines... |
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| 05:00.19 | arbir | ctmjr: how do you list files from an installed package ? i dont see an option in the man page :-) sorry, its been a long day for me |
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| 05:00.56 | cast | dpkg -L |
| 05:00.57 | dpkg | cast: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:01.40 | arbir | cast: thanks..!!! just got it before i saw this screen. |
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| 05:09.43 | dhs_ | any one help me in iptables setting...for lenny |
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| 05:10.22 | worr | dhs_: what do you need? |
| 05:10.29 | cast | any reason to not just use shorewall or similar? |
| 05:10.58 | worr | what's wrong with iptables? |
| 05:11.15 | dhs_ | worr: i want to set lenny as router |
| 05:11.28 | dhs_ | now i hve 2 NICs |
| 05:11.38 | dhs_ | and static IP |
| 05:11.48 | nineteen | hello,does debian has something like this defaultly?http://linuxgazette.net/109/marinov.html |
| 05:12.03 | cast | you have to have a decent grasp on networking and IP + UDP/TCP/ICMP |
| 05:12.20 | dhs_ | worr: now i want to get net to client PCs also |
| 05:12.29 | dhs_ | which is not coming |
| 05:12.40 | worr | you need to set net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf first |
| 05:13.08 | dhs_ | yes i set that |
| 05:13.32 | cast | iptables rules are not nearly as nice as writing rules for shorewall, or pf, etc.. |
| 05:14.02 | dhs_ | worr: but still not getting net |
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| 05:14.33 | worr | are you looking to do nat too? |
| 05:14.43 | dhs_ | yes |
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| 05:14.58 | ajay | hi all,suddenly my system became slow..it takes alot time after login to launch applications. |
| 05:15.37 | ajay | after some time of login all works fine but still i am not getting why it takes more time for login? |
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| 05:17.29 | worr | dhs_: wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 05:17.46 | worr | it's a pretty good tutorial, and I suggest you give it a read through |
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| 05:22.32 | arbir | worr: any idea, how different the kernel is for the ubuntu server ? |
| 05:22.47 | cast | could run diff. |
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| 05:24.46 | worr | dhs_: paste.debian.net/55339 that line should probs do it |
| 05:25.47 | worr | arbir: diff the kernel configs, they're /boot/config-$(uname -r) in both Ubuntu and Debian last time I checked |
| 05:25.59 | worr | arbir: also the kernel versions are probably different too |
| 05:26.21 | arbir | worr: just wonderinfg, how the ubuntu server kernel performs. they have a lot of claims on their website |
| 05:26.42 | arbir | worr: things like better support for virtualization.... and something to do with frequency |
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| 05:27.03 | arbir | worr: they seem to have tweaked it for the server so that it performs better as a server |
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| 05:27.48 | arbir | worr: :-) i am still working my way through exim..... its so new to me.. i used postfix all the time. |
| 05:27.50 | dhs_ | worr: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <PUBLICINTERFACE> -j SNAT --to-source <YOURIPADDRESS> |
| 05:29.01 | dhs_ | in that line wats "--to-source"?? |
| 05:29.41 | arbir | is happy, he is getting somwhere with exim |
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| 05:31.03 | arbir | what does Ign stand for , in the list of lines that apt displays while updating |
| 05:31.22 | xk | ignore? |
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| 05:32.23 | worr | I hate hotel wireless... |
| 05:33.07 | omes | worr: depends on the wireless i suppose :P |
| 05:33.16 | omes | im on a hotel wireless now and i love it... |
| 05:33.40 | qt-x | worr why ? |
| 05:33.51 | arbir | xk: so my repo is getting ignored ? how come then i am able to install software ? |
| 05:34.10 | worr | the hampton inn wireless is nice, but access expires at 11:30 every night |
| 05:34.22 | worr | so I got disconnected |
| 05:34.54 | qt-x | that is not nice :D |
| 05:35.27 | xk | hmm |
| 05:35.43 | worr | at least it's complimentary |
| 05:35.47 | xk | arbir: means the file didn't exist on hte server... so it is a warning, but in a nice way :> |
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| 05:35.57 | xk | did it fail on .gpg file? |
| 05:36.03 | DogBoy | you could use a cantana to get the wireless from the nearby watergate hotel |
| 05:36.08 | xk | well... "fail" |
| 05:36.36 | arbir | xk , i think it failed on a gpg file.. not sure,, it was an hour back.. so it means, i have to use a new repo. |
| 05:37.16 | arbir | xk: do you use netselect-apt for figuring out the best mirror ? |
| 05:37.41 | xk | no, because i am in a geographical isolated area :> |
| 05:38.05 | xk | and my ISP provides a debian mirror anyway. |
| 05:38.36 | arbir | xk: mine is giving this Ign prob. seems i need to change this. |
| 05:38.48 | arbir | xk:thanks though.... let me try ... |
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| 05:46.51 | arbir | xk: do you think its a good idea to delete the files under /var/lib/apt/lists and do the apt-get update again ? |
| 05:48.38 | xk | no |
| 05:48.43 | xk | don't worry about Ign lines |
| 05:48.49 | xk | they are warnings that can be ignored. |
| 05:49.14 | xk | but... it's probably best to find a mirror that has those files if you want to ensure integrity of your system |
| 05:49.42 | arbir | xk: alright... let me do that. |
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| 05:59.15 | parolang | Okay, I don't understand. I installed emacs 23 from lenny backports, but it didn't install the manual. Did the manual become a separate manual? |
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| 05:59.29 | parolang | err, a separate package? |
| 05:59.38 | liable | isnt the manual in non-free? |
| 05:59.54 | liable | or is that another thing.. maybe gcc ? |
| 06:00.18 | parolang | Yeah, I don't know. |
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| 06:02.33 | kmyst | hi, anybody use a keyfile with unlocking a luks encrypted drive? |
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| 06:02.50 | parolang | Also...I seem to be missing a lot of documentation in aptitude. I have main contrib non-free in my sources.list...is there somewhere else I should have documentation? |
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| 06:03.31 | parolang | Nevermind, it was under New Packages. |
| 06:03.34 | liable | are you looking in /usr/share/doc? most packages do actually have seperate doc packages if they are reasonably complex |
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| 06:04.48 | parolang | liable: The emacs manual can usually be read from within emacs. |
| 06:06.22 | parolang | Does anyone else use the backports emacs 23? |
| 06:10.33 | nevyn | can someone reccomend an application for classifying photos |
| 06:10.49 | nevyn | not tagging or anything just something to let me go through them and re-name them |
| 06:11.52 | kmyst | nevyn: yeah hang on lemme dig up the name |
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| 06:14.20 | kmyst | nevyn: are you wanting to just bulk rename? |
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| 06:23.55 | kmyst | nevyn: try purrr if your still looking |
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| 06:26.48 | babilen | 'rename' ? |
| 06:26.58 | Rafase282 | can anyone help me with this error? I: Installing core packages... |
| 06:26.58 | Rafase282 | W: Failure trying to run: dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5lenny4_armel.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.20_armel.deb |
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| 06:34.39 | Darkedge | Guys, I've just discovered a GIANT secitory risk, WHERE do I surport it? |
| 06:34.51 | Darkedge | report* |
| 06:35.12 | indrora-laptop | Darkedge: What kind of security risk? |
| 06:35.16 | kmyst | what kind of risk? |
| 06:36.43 | Darkedge | kmyst: security |
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| 06:37.00 | liable | more details dude |
| 06:37.19 | kmyst | Darkedge: uh yeah but details? |
| 06:37.37 | Darkedge | Is there a safer place then the channel? |
| 06:37.50 | indrora-laptop | Its an apparent xscreensaver problem |
| 06:38.12 | Darkedge | yup |
| 06:38.16 | babilen | Darkedge: which software are you talking about? |
| 06:38.22 | liable | wasn't there a dsa about xscreensaver recently? |
| 06:38.50 | Darkedge | babilen: you can unlock w/o knowing the p/w if you just keep on trying, It lets you in |
| 06:39.02 | Darkedge | I tried a about ten times, and it worked |
| 06:39.11 | Darkedge | (even though a wasn't my p/w) |
| 06:39.20 | Darkedge | So who do I report this to? |
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| 06:39.38 | liable | file a bug against the package |
| 06:39.43 | babilen | that is not a giant security risk ... report that bug |
| 06:39.46 | indrora-laptop | I cant reproduce this |
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| 06:40.13 | indrora-laptop | I just fired up a locked terminal and had it pound 30 different random keys + return 30 times and didnt get anything |
| 06:40.31 | Darkedge | indrora-laptop: :/ i did twice, wanta see my output? |
| 06:40.38 | indrora-laptop | Darkedge: I'd love to |
| 06:41.08 | Darkedge | brb |
| 06:41.17 | Darkedge | It hasn't terminated so I gotta logout and back in |
| 06:42.31 | kmyst | funny i just tried and mine won't let me in without the proper password |
| 06:42.37 | indrora-laptop | I know |
| 06:43.00 | indrora-laptop | I just tried it again on a VM -- 3000 bad passwords and no unlock |
| 06:43.21 | liable | htf did you try 3000 in such a short time? |
| 06:43.40 | kmyst | geez how so many so fast? |
| 06:43.53 | indrora-laptop | keyboard simulator |
| 06:44.03 | kmyst | ah |
| 06:44.05 | indrora-laptop | WinXP vM with Autokeys |
| 06:44.17 | kmyst | nice |
| 06:44.19 | indrora-laptop | keyboard-sharing |
| 06:44.23 | indrora-laptop | it does wonders :) |
| 06:44.30 | kmyst | i'd say it does |
| 06:45.15 | kmyst | hey anybody wouldn't happen to use keyfiles with luks would you? |
| 06:45.31 | indrora-laptop | luks? |
| 06:45.41 | babilen | !luks |
| 06:45.41 | dpkg | LUKS: Linux Unified Key Setup, a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. For more information, see http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian'. To access on win32 platforms, see http://freeotfe.org/ and ask me about <ext2fsd>. |
| 06:45.56 | kmyst | yeah that |
| 06:47.02 | indrora-laptop | I suspect whats happening with Darkedge's thing is what XScreensaver's On Toolkits page describes |
| 06:47.10 | kmyst | i mean i got it working with a keyfile but i'm unhappy with the size of the keyfile and see to be unable to use a "large" one |
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| 06:50.23 | kmyst | can't find any info on the max size but regardless a lot of debian examples show larger keys being used which chokes on my setup and in VMs i use to test it |
| 06:51.05 | kmyst | funnily enough unlocking by hand using a larger file works :) |
| 06:51.25 | indrora-laptop | Graphics: Card ATI Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1400x1050@60.0hz |
| 06:51.25 | indrora-laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.30 | indrora-laptop | o.O |
| 06:51.37 | indrora-laptop | Why is Xchat telling me this in channel? |
| 06:52.03 | Tramp | kmyst: be more specific. What's "large" what error do you get etc. Don't make us guess. |
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| 06:52.42 | kmyst | Tramp: large being at least 1k in size currenty works with 640 bytes but no larger |
| 06:52.55 | Darkedge | ok, A. The package is gnome-screensaver B. No output. |
| 06:53.12 | babilen | 640? hehe, i've heard that before |
| 06:53.13 | Tramp | kmyst: my keyfiles are exactly 1k each and it works fine for me. |
| 06:53.47 | kmyst | Tramp: error wise when booting: no keyfile with passphrase or something along those lines but if i boot up using a typed key and unlock by hand it works |
| 06:54.04 | Darkedge | So any ideas guys?\ |
| 06:54.17 | Darkedge | Also this time it took about 40 attempts |
| 06:54.18 | Darkedge | :P |
| 06:54.18 | kmyst | Tramp: seriously? why's mine choke then?! |
| 06:55.29 | babilen | Darkedge: don't /msg me please |
| 06:55.32 | Tramp | kmyst: hmm. - well, I use a custom script in my bootprocess - so if something is broken it might be one of the scripts in /lib/cryptsetup, but not the cryptsetup itself |
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| 06:56.02 | Darkedge | ok then |
| 06:56.05 | Darkedge | babilen: any ideas? |
| 06:56.12 | babilen | no |
| 06:57.05 | babilen | file a bug, try to reproduce it, provide relevant (debugging) output .. test different versions/architectures/distributions ... |
| 06:57.16 | Darkedge | babilen: Who do I report this to? The Debian bugs? or gnome-bugs, I do beleive Debian is on a pretty outdated release of gnome-screensaver |
| 06:57.35 | kmyst | Tramp: my script is custom to but it works using a file that is small...i'm guessing the problem lies there but at the same time how could it? |
| 06:57.39 | Darkedge | babilen: I tried it on Fedora, Worked fine, No risks. |
| 06:58.22 | kmyst | Tramp: it finds the block device, mounts it, finds the keyfile then says no key available with this passphrase |
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| 06:58.48 | Darkedge | I'm gunna try, and get the lattest version |
| 06:59.02 | Darkedge | How do i download (force download) the lattest version? |
| 06:59.52 | Tramp | kmyst: hmm. and executing the cryptsetup-command manually with this keyfile fails as well? |
| 06:59.57 | kmyst | Tramp: i dropped down to a 512byte file and it works and tried increasing in multiples of 8...640 works but not 768...unlock by hand works using even a 2k file so i'm stumped |
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| 07:00.13 | kmyst | Tramp: no it works...that's the strange thing |
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| 07:01.04 | kmyst | Tramp: could it be the way the system was set up with cipher and hash imposing a limit? i can't find documentation |
| 07:01.33 | Tramp | sure doesn't ring a bell. - if there was a limit, it would fail when run manually as well. |
| 07:02.01 | kmyst | that's what i thought but i'm seeing the results and getting more and more stumped |
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| 07:04.26 | kmyst | Tramp: let me ask you about your script? how'd you feed the contents of the keyfile? |
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| 07:07.00 | Tramp | kmyst: cat ${keyfile} |
| 07:08.17 | Darkedge | Wait, found it. |
| 07:08.34 | kmyst | Tramp: i did a key=$( cat $mnt/$crypt_key 2>/dev/null) then a printf '%s' "$key" |
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| 07:17.14 | Tramp | kmyst: well. If I do: dd if=/dev/urandom of=kf bs=512 count=1 && md5sum kf and then key=$(<./kf); printf '%s' "$key" | md5sum I get different results |
| 07:17.42 | Tramp | kmyst: where $(<./kf) is just a fancy way of writing $(cat ./kf) |
| 07:19.47 | kmyst | Tramp: just tried that and the two md5sums are the same |
| 07:20.27 | kmyst | Tramp: wait i messed up |
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| 07:21.34 | mreh | could somebody tell me why dhclient tries to find wireless networks when the system starts up? |
| 07:21.36 | Tramp | kmyst: It's because the output from urandom may contain 0x00, which apparently are removed by the "%s" conversion (while I'd actually expect the conversion to stop at the first 0x00) |
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| 07:22.13 | liable | mreh: dhclient doesnt look for wireless networks. but whatever is in your interfaces file i presume is doing it |
| 07:22.35 | kmyst | Tramp: turns out your method produces different results, a cat into md5sum is the same and a printf < kf|md5sum is yet another different result |
| 07:22.57 | mreh | liable: yes, the only wireless networks are secured, so all DHCPOFFERS are encrypted, could I disable the wireless on startup? |
| 07:22.59 | Tramp | kmyst: ah. What happens is, that printf makes one %s-conversion for each "null terminated input" |
| 07:23.35 | Tramp | kmyst: and then returns the concatenation of these conversions (as in printf "%s" foo bar baz) |
| 07:23.54 | liable | mreh: i dont actually understand what point it is your trying to make, can you explain further? |
| 07:24.21 | Tramp | kmyst: so if your keyfile contains embedded zeroes, your printf-method messes up |
| 07:24.27 | mreh | liable: the system spends 2 minutes trying to obtain an IP address from secured wireless networks when it starts up |
| 07:24.53 | kmyst | Tramp: ok ok i'm following you on this thought...however why does that take effect beyond what i have working with the 256, 512, and 640 byte files and die using 1k or 2k files? surely they contain the conversions right? |
| 07:24.56 | liable | mreh: look in your interfaces file. thats what would be doing it |
| 07:26.03 | Tramp | kmyst: no. Your method messes up in any case, as soon as there is an embedded zero. When your keyfile contains random data, you can expect 1 zero in 256 byte |
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| 07:27.19 | kmyst | Tramp: ok i got you, so in the case of 640 bytes i "should" expect 3 zeros emedded? |
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| 07:27.51 | mreh | liable: the interfaces file contains no WPA key information, I don't think it is |
| 07:27.59 | Tramp | kmyst: or, if I get my math right, a keyfile of 256 has a probability of 0.5 to have an embedded zero, with 512 the probabilty is 1-0.25 (=0.75) and the longer your keyfile, the more unlikely it gets that you get a file for which your method works - well, somewhere between 2 and 3 |
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| 07:28.46 | Tramp | 2.5 actually :) |
| 07:28.49 | liable | mreh: whether or not it has a key in *that* file, its the one telling your wifi card to try and get a dhcp lease. |
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| 07:29.02 | kmyst | Tramp: heh i'm with you on this...curse my fancy scripting right? :) |
| 07:29.19 | mreh | dhclient is going rogue, i always thought network-manager was the one that told my wifi card to obtain the lease |
| 07:29.26 | Tramp | kmyst: yes. (replace fancy with broken) |
| 07:29.35 | mreh | through dhclient |
| 07:30.09 | Tramp | kmyst: but it's easy to verify: simply try a keyfile which has no embedded zero, is 1k in length and check, if your script works (it should) |
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| 07:31.33 | kmyst | Tramp: i'm booting a vm to check that theory right now |
| 07:31.59 | kmyst | two days banging my head over this and it's printf causing it :) |
| 07:32.38 | Tramp | kmyst: (simply generate a 1k file from urandom, then run it through tr -d '\0' to remove the embedded zeroes) |
| 07:32.51 | kmyst | Tramp: ahead of you :) |
| 07:33.16 | Tramp | now verify, that the file gives the same md5sum regardless of the method .... |
| 07:33.43 | kmyst | Tramp: i was thinking yesterday that \n was the issue due to something i saw in the cryptsetup man page |
| 07:34.44 | Tramp | only refers to key-material read from FD or terminal |
| 07:35.32 | kmyst | i was grasping at straws last night when i saw that |
| 07:36.01 | Tramp | but, honestly, if you thought that "weird characters" were the reason, the natural thing would have been to test with a 1k file of "A" |
| 07:37.27 | kmyst | Tramp: negative: i just did a dd if=/dev/urandom|tr -d '\0'|dd bs=1 count=1024 > kf then md5sum kf then printf and md5sum and different results |
| 07:38.22 | Tramp | kmyst: well, then just try with 1k "A" |
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| 07:40.16 | kmyst | Tramp: you know a cat kf|md5sum and and key=$(<./kf);printf '%s' "$key"|md5sum reports the same yet a printf '%s' kf|md5sum is different |
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| 07:41.10 | kmyst | trying both in a VM currently |
| 07:42.12 | Tramp | printf '%s' kf - print "kf" |
| 07:42.20 | Tramp | prints |
| 07:42.53 | Tramp | and it's md5sum starts with d3.... |
| 07:43.22 | kmyst | hmmm |
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| 07:44.55 | owner | when is debian gonna be out? |
| 07:45.22 | owner | i thought it was december |
| 07:45.30 | simonrvn | um, it *is* out. |
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| 07:45.59 | owner | yea but the new one? |
| 07:46.14 | owner | im still runnin 5.03 or |
| 07:46.24 | simonrvn | you mean squeeze. not released yet. |
| 07:46.40 | owner | yes i thought it was gonna be |
| 07:46.56 | owner | ok waht kernel is it gonna be |
| 07:47.09 | owner | 2.6.32 i hope |
| 07:47.47 | owner | is gonna be so awesome |
| 07:47.58 | simonrvn | i don't know. |
| 07:48.08 | owner | ok thanks |
| 07:48.20 | owner | ill wait patiently |
| 07:48.38 | liable | should be at least 32 i woulda thunk |
| 07:48.56 | owner | ok, is it out yet? |
| 07:49.03 | liable | what? |
| 07:49.09 | owner | rly good deal :D |
| 07:49.18 | kmyst | Tramp: awesome! you were dead on right about printf and the 0's |
| 07:49.37 | kmyst | Tramp: booting up with a 1k keyfile |
| 07:50.04 | Tramp | I takte that as a "thanks" - so yw. |
| 07:50.50 | kmyst | totally! thanks man you rock |
| 07:52.29 | Tramp | but now, please don't waste your time generating zero-less keyfiles. Use cat in your keyscript. |
| 07:53.01 | kmyst | i was just about to say if i didn't get fancy with my scripts i wouldn't have been in the predicament i was in eh? |
| 07:54.13 | Tramp | bash builtins and variables are not meant for arbitrary binary date (mainly because of this \0-issue) |
| 07:54.18 | Tramp | s/date/data/ |
| 07:55.50 | kmyst | lol yeah, now i gotta clean up 377 lines of script and probably 10-15 printf commands are lurking in all that |
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| 08:01.33 | kmyst | anyways, thanks once again, lesson learned the hard way |
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| 08:06.11 | sam_ | zig_ |
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| 08:12.03 | cast | wait wait someones trying to make zeroless keyfiles? |
| 08:12.11 | cast | that's awesome. |
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| 08:15.10 | kmyst | yeah that'd be me and i didn't want to, just a workaround for my braindead script :) |
| 08:15.55 | cast | presumably luks still applies PBKDF2() to keyfiles? |
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| 08:16.21 | kmyst | so i read, yes |
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| 08:18.14 | kmyst | why? |
| 08:20.10 | cast | was just thinking about reading passwds from stdin |
| 08:21.52 | kmyst | ah |
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| 08:41.26 | lotus-blade | where is the kernel source file located? |
| 08:41.34 | cast | /usr/src/ |
| 08:41.47 | cast | install linux-source package first |
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| 09:09.43 | ajay | hi to all,i have executed this command mutt -s "Test mail" -a /root/su.zip averule@gmail.com < hi.txt still mail is not delivered . |
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| 09:12.56 | zub | ajay: you have to set up MTA for this to work first (assuming you're talking of your own box) |
| 09:13.25 | ajay | zub, i have installed postfix |
| 09:13.49 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:15.09 | zub | also - if you're on some dynamic/for home use ip your mail might just be discarded as spam |
| 09:15.52 | linopolus | Debian ist scheiÃe! apt ist arschlahm, die Pakete sind alle kaputt(konfiguriert|gepatcht) nichts funktioniert wie es soll! |
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| 09:23.50 | lotus-blade | my mouse ha just stoped shwing up. it works, but I can not see the pointer. any ideas? |
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| 09:24.53 | cast | restart x? |
| 09:25.02 | lotus-blade | is the something I need to do with dpkg |
| 09:25.15 | lotus-blade | I have several time and the same thing happens |
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| 09:29.11 | cast | might be a bug if its showing then just disappears |
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| 09:39.42 | kleanchap | Happy New Year in 2010 everyone!! |
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| 09:42.05 | danny_away | Hello folks. Has anyone here implemented a tarpit using Etch or Lenny? If so, was it with iptables or a particular package? I'm looking for recommendation and known issues. |
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| 09:42.29 | CooL_ | hello guys |
| 09:42.40 | CooL_ | i need some help please |
| 09:43.44 | CooL_ | flash player, fire fox, and others aren't installing |
| 09:44.50 | CooL_ | hello |
| 09:45.04 | cahoot | firefox is known as iceweasel in debian |
| 09:45.32 | CooL_ | i dont want firefox because its fire fox |
| 09:45.47 | CooL_ | but all the programs of the same tipe aren't installing |
| 09:45.49 | cahoot | I see |
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| 09:46.40 | war9407 | Does anyone know if Xorg supports ATI's Eye Infinity cards (but to use XINERAMA with them) until the driver gets support? |
| 09:47.12 | CooL_ | whan i open run-firefox.sh and chose run it dont show any thing |
| 09:49.03 | CooL_ | ? |
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| 09:50.45 | simonrvn | i don't think CooL_ was even running debian ... |
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| 09:51.50 | cahoot | ..or should |
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| 09:54.19 | lotus-blade | anyone know how to get the mouse configed right ? |
| 09:54.34 | lotus-blade | I have a working mouse with no pointer |
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| 09:56.16 | simonrvn | cahoot: heh |
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| 09:57.15 | simonrvn | oh bah. just as i was going to reply... |
| 09:57.27 | simonrvn | effing ask-and-run questions |
| 09:57.57 | dannyboy1121x | I didn't run .. tarpit anyone ? :) |
| 09:58.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:59.16 | simonrvn | i don't get much with 'apt-cache search tarpit' - just iptables/xtables stuff |
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| 09:59.38 | simonrvn | a bit more with honeypot |
| 10:01.25 | dannyboy1121x | i'm planning something simple .. dedicated host with known offenders being put in to a port forwarding group that directs them to the tarpit of infinite doom |
| 10:02.21 | simonrvn | one of the honeypot daemons + iptables sounds simple enough |
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| 10:02.52 | dannyboy1121x | tyvm .. that's enough to get me started |
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| 10:15.59 | kenjy | I installed squid and clamav, do you know a place to test it or a way to perform a test ? |
| 10:16.06 | kenjy | a virus detection test |
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| 10:18.04 | cast | go find a virus? |
| 10:18.15 | cast | there is a test string that will set off virus scanners |
| 10:18.24 | cast | or at least there was back when i used win98 :) |
| 10:18.26 | rww | A better idea, if kenjy comes back, is to try the EICAR test file at http://eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm |
| 10:19.20 | cast | ahh, thats the string, "X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* " |
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| 10:42.41 | baz | hi, i just installed debian but i cant connect to wifi, however it worked in ubuntu, how can that be? |
| 10:44.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | baz: whats the wifi card? it may require non-free firmware |
| 10:44.54 | baz | its an external usb doohicky, let me check the name |
| 10:45.37 | baz | dlink dwa-160 |
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| 10:46.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm not familiar with it :/ |
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| 10:47.06 | baz | yeah, its a bit wierd :| |
| 10:47.54 | baz | Kamping_Kaiser, ubuntu generally is against non-free tho - does it have *more* stuff? |
| 10:48.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | baz: yes |
| 10:48.50 | baz | ok |
| 10:48.57 | baz | is it better? |
| 10:49.02 | baz | just kidding |
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| 10:50.08 | streuner_ | baz: why do you want change at all? |
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| 10:50.49 | streuner_ | baz: whats the ID of that stick? |
| 10:51.21 | baz | id? |
| 10:52.26 | streuner_ | baz: yes, just run "lsusb" and tell us the output of the ID |
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| 10:54.26 | krion | HNY |
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| 11:09.07 | tingi | ra |
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| 11:09.57 | tingi | how do i mirror remote directory ? i want only subfolders (i can specify them through a regexp). I always want directories + subfolders mirrored into my local machines created after 25th Dec . Is it possible ? |
| 11:11.15 | krion | rsync isn't what you want ? |
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| 11:12.50 | krion | i should have a look at drbd anyway |
| 11:13.01 | tingi | krion, but if i create something on 30th Jan will it automatically get me the folder |
| 11:13.06 | tingi | and subdirectories |
| 11:13.24 | cast | could NFS mount it |
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| 11:13.25 | tingi | will rsync poll server every 10 minutes or so |
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| 11:21.19 | nkuttler | tingi: you can probably do something like ssh find foo, i'm just not sure how to get the data back, maybe rsync through a reverse tunnel |
| 11:22.50 | cast | rsync will understand ssh |
| 11:22.56 | tingi | nkuttler, can it sync using regular expression ? |
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| 11:23.27 | nkuttler | tingi: find does regexes |
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| 11:54.32 | JyZyXEL | !firefox |
| 11:54.32 | dpkg | methinks firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 11:55.15 | JyZyXEL | iceweasel is way behind firefox? |
| 11:55.55 | Supaplex | !too old |
| 11:55.55 | dpkg | supaplex, what, it's too stable for you? |
| 11:57.09 | JyZyXEL | wait what the hell, apt-cache show iceweasel shows me two versions |
| 11:57.18 | JyZyXEL | Version: 3.5.6-1 and Version: 3.0.14-1 |
| 11:57.22 | JyZyXEL | i have the Version: 3.0.14-1 installed |
| 11:57.26 | JyZyXEL | how do i install the newer one? |
| 11:58.02 | azeem | judd: versions iceweasel |
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| 11:58.05 | judd | azeem: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.5.6-1 squeeze: 3.5.6-1 |
| 11:58.32 | JyZyXEL | yea i want me some of dat new iceweasel |
| 11:58.33 | azeem | JyZyXEL: you have both lenny and testing/unstable repos in your sources.list |
| 11:58.44 | JyZyXEL | no i don't think i have lennys |
| 11:59.09 | azeem | hrm, right; no idea where 3.0.14 is coming from; maybe lenny-backports |
| 11:59.17 | JyZyXEL | yea no idea |
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| 11:59.31 | JyZyXEL | how do i get rid of it |
| 11:59.33 | azeem | run apt-cache policy on it |
| 12:00.12 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.13 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.42 | azeem | local |
| 12:00.49 | azeem | oh right, it's the one installed |
| 12:00.53 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 12:01.01 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.04 | azeem | so do you have a very outdated testing system? |
| 12:01.09 | JyZyXEL | probably |
| 12:01.21 | JyZyXEL | i don't know why it didn't automatically upgrade my iceweasel tho |
| 12:01.23 | azeem | well |
| 12:01.26 | azeem | one-month outdated |
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| 12:01.27 | azeem | [2009-12-07] iceweasel 3.5.5-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 12:01.47 | azeem | JyZyXEL: probably because it gets held back on apt-get upgrade |
| 12:01.54 | JyZyXEL | oh, why? |
| 12:02.23 | azeem | read up on the difference between upgrade, safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 12:02.26 | azeem | or dist-upgrade |
| 12:03.04 | JyZyXEL | full-upgrade o.O |
| 12:03.32 | JyZyXEL | its the same as dist-upgrade? |
| 12:03.44 | PrickelPit | hello, i switched from archlinux to squeeze on my idepad with atom n280 cpu, squeeze only runs the cpu at 1.33ghz but it normally has 1.66ghz, setting gouvernor to permormance wont help. archlinux runs the ideapad with 1.66ghz...any ideas? |
| 12:04.07 | azeem | PrickelPit: sounds like a kernel issue |
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| 12:05.06 | PrickelPit | are there any backported kernels i can use? .31 oder .32? |
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| 12:05.35 | azeem | squeeze doesn't get backports AFAIK |
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| 12:09.50 | djura-san | happy ny. can i ask one, sidux related, question here? |
| 12:10.19 | azeem | djura-san: please use the sidux channel for that |
| 12:10.23 | azeem | !sidux |
| 12:10.23 | dpkg | methinks sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 12:10.48 | djura-san | azeem: okay but there is no answer there |
| 12:10.51 | djura-san | :| |
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| 12:14.22 | azeem | djura-san: it's new year's, the sidux people might all still have a hangover. Try again in a couple of horus, tomorrow, or post to their mailing lists/forums |
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| 12:15.27 | djura-san | azeem, yeah you ar right |
| 12:15.31 | djura-san | thank you |
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| 12:16.59 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 12:17.56 | superlinux | I have fdisk -l showing a different file system type than what it's supposed to be. how can i fix that? |
| 12:18.34 | cast | open fdisk, change the type |
| 12:18.40 | cast | doesn't really matter though |
| 12:18.53 | cast | cfdisk* [my prefered] |
| 12:19.17 | superlinux | cast, I hope you thought of that my partition /IS/ full of data |
| 12:19.47 | cast | why would i care, anyone who wants to keep their data keeps backups |
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| 12:20.59 | superlinux | cast, but is that a bug in fdisk? or the partition table is corrupt? |
| 12:21.33 | cast | its a it-doesnt-matter |
| 12:21.45 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:21.57 | superlinux | i am just worried! |
| 12:22.00 | superlinux | you know! |
| 12:22.19 | nevyn | superlinux: if you have ext3 and the partition type is ext2 that's a total doesn't matter. |
| 12:22.21 | superlinux | cast, thanks anyway |
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| 12:23.16 | superlinux | but nevyn , fdisk lists it as NTFS patrition and I am mounting it as EXT2 ! |
| 12:23.41 | superlinux | that's where the confusion comes |
| 12:23.41 | nevyn | superlinux: other than your root partition this stuff is advisory |
| 12:24.11 | nevyn | superlinux: so mount -t auto probably won't work right. but if it's in fstab should be all good. |
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| 12:24.44 | cast | nevyn: do you think mount uses that single byte in the partition table? |
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| 12:25.36 | superlinux | you what will reformat the partition and fix the table |
| 12:25.47 | superlinux | you what? I will reformat the partition and fix the table |
| 12:26.03 | cast | just leave it. its a single byte in the partition table |
| 12:26.11 | superlinux | it's annoying! |
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| 12:26.33 | superlinux | ok then |
| 12:28.01 | nevyn | cast: the kernel does for some stuff... |
| 12:28.07 | nevyn | autoassembling raid sets etc. |
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| 12:32.56 | Maxxie | Guys, do you have any suggestions for good colocation or VPS hosting in Netherland? |
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| 12:34.55 | liable | try #linux or maybe theres even #colo or similar |
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| 12:35.07 | Maxxie | thanks |
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| 12:36.42 | codercio | puro bot? |
| 12:37.03 | codercio | any one here are bot? |
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| 12:37.35 | AimHere | debhelper is a bot, as is dpkg |
| 12:38.05 | codercio | jiji amhere... |
| 12:38.28 | codercio | good not be around nafin |
| 12:39.02 | codercio | or u a auto reply bot? |
| 12:39.26 | liable | codercio: this channel is for debian related questions, not bot questions. |
| 12:39.47 | yangtongxue | ï¼join #debian-zh |
| 12:39.59 | Maxxie | lol |
| 12:40.18 | codercio | liable... isnt a bot question |
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| 12:41.03 | codercio | her more than 100 "pipo" |
| 12:41.16 | codercio | and every one dont talk |
| 12:41.31 | cmacis | pipo? |
| 12:41.36 | codercio | people |
| 12:41.54 | codercio | im mexican geek |
| 12:42.02 | azeem | do you have a Debian question? |
| 12:42.05 | codercio | yes |
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| 12:42.34 | codercio | i wish to install debian in my macbook machine (intel) |
| 12:43.05 | codercio | but my facked question is da boot time |
| 12:43.22 | azeem | facked* |
| 12:43.23 | azeem | ? |
| 12:43.30 | codercio | yesssssssss |
| 12:43.36 | azeem | I don't know this word. |
| 12:43.48 | codercio | how to do a goooooooooood double boot? |
| 12:44.01 | codercio | u know? |
| 12:44.07 | azeem | Debian and what else? |
| 12:44.27 | codercio | maldito bot |
| 12:44.41 | azeem | what is that? |
| 12:45.01 | codercio | azem eres un bot o te haces? |
| 12:45.11 | codercio | eres ignorante? |
| 12:45.17 | azeem | this is an english-only channel |
| 12:45.26 | codercio | then |
| 12:45.35 | codercio | u know about debian? |
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| 12:45.39 | codercio | about linux? |
| 12:45.51 | codercio | if not please dont help me |
| 12:45.57 | _AnywhereIs_ | !tell codercio about u |
| 12:46.16 | codercio | sorry |
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| 12:46.56 | cmacis | !tell cmacis about u |
| 12:46.58 | djura-san | so what do you mean by "good double boot" codercio ? |
| 12:46.59 | codercio | u know about debian on mac or not? |
| 12:47.21 | codercio | maldito bot |
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| 12:48.04 | eshat | Hi all,... what is the neweste flashplugin version (maybe a beta). I get bad performance when watching a video fullscreen (1920x1080)... any fix for that? |
| 12:48.18 | djura-san | codercio, please dont use that language (and nobody here is bot or "damned") |
| 12:48.59 | azeem | eshat: please ask Adobe |
| 12:49.02 | cmacis | Is there a non-english #debian? |
| 12:49.08 | azeem | there are several |
| 12:49.11 | azeem | though most are understaffed |
| 12:49.12 | codercio | no dude.... u have downloaded from adbobe? or mozilla downloaded for u? |
| 12:49.22 | azeem | except for the german, french and maybe spanish ones |
| 12:49.26 | cmacis | Should we point codercio to one? |
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| 12:49.48 | codercio | f*lzsdasd you cmacis |
| 12:50.03 | cmacis | what? |
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| 12:51.08 | codercio | djura-san .... i never test with the resolution that u give us... |
| 12:51.34 | codercio | but if u try with lower maybe works |
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| 12:52.00 | djura-san | errr... codercio you are reffering do eshat right? |
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| 12:52.55 | codercio | jotow |
| 12:52.58 | codercio | ssss |
| 12:53.04 | xand | no |
| 12:53.42 | codercio | how da dem intstall debian (grub) in my mac |
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| 12:54.13 | xand | !es |
| 12:54.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:56.10 | codercio | any1 geel alive? |
| 12:56.25 | codercio | *geek |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | PPC mac or x86? |
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| 12:58.20 | codercio | intel |
| 12:59.12 | codercio | no ppc on market today |
| 12:59.49 | codercio | i install normally but i cant boot |
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| 13:00.11 | abrotman | you can buy PPC machines, just not from apple |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | you know .. they needed a higher profit margin .. |
| 13:00.21 | codercio | lol |
| 13:00.30 | codercio | ok |
| 13:00.34 | codercio | efit dude |
| 13:00.46 | codercio | wrong answer |
| 13:01.09 | codercio | i just try to know the level of the people here |
| 13:01.19 | codercio | u have -1 |
| 13:01.22 | _AnywhereIs_ | and what level is yours? |
| 13:01.35 | codercio | test me |
| 13:01.39 | xand | =500 |
| 13:01.41 | xand | -500 |
| 13:01.52 | abrotman | you can't even spell 'you' |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 13:02.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | yeah, dpkg told him already |
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| 13:02.17 | babilen | codercio: You could raise your level from you -500 if you show us that you can indeed ask a 'smart question' |
| 13:02.31 | codercio | im c,java,tcl,basic,cpp and csharp |
| 13:02.40 | _AnywhereIs_ | ==fail |
| 13:02.42 | babilen | no - you are not |
| 13:02.46 | cmacis | BASIC isn't something to be proud of |
| 13:02.56 | abrotman | who the hell calls it cpp ? |
| 13:03.03 | codercio | pascal and puffff |
| 13:03.09 | liable | ugh |
| 13:03.19 | codercio | 15years of experience |
| 13:03.23 | codercio | and linu |
| 13:03.25 | codercio | x |
| 13:03.27 | codercio | 10 |
| 13:03.28 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:03.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:03.30 | codercio | of deb? |
| 13:03.48 | xand | 10 years experience and you can't install it? |
| 13:03.56 | babilen | codercio: Wasn't there a problem you wanted to solve? |
| 13:03.59 | codercio | merge with 3 of nice distros |
| 13:04.14 | abrotman | you were the person that used UnitedLinux ? |
| 13:04.20 | codercio | lol |
| 13:05.08 | codercio | here any 1 is fake people |
| 13:05.24 | codercio | xand |
| 13:05.32 | codercio | i install efid |
| 13:05.36 | abrotman | codercio: do you need help or not? attacking people surely won't get you help |
| 13:05.38 | liable | oh, shuddup |
| 13:05.41 | codercio | i instal deb |
| 13:05.50 | d1b | codercio: yes and ? |
| 13:05.52 | codercio | and win , mac, freebsd |
| 13:06.07 | d1b | kick the troll! ? |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | codercio: stop hitting enter every third word |
| 13:06.10 | AimHere | We don't care about win, mac, freebsd here |
| 13:06.14 | abrotman | d1b: no, he's spanish .. |
| 13:06.20 | AimHere | Mexican actually |
| 13:06.30 | d1b | AimHere: freebsd --> kfreebsd :P |
| 13:06.39 | codercio | lol |
| 13:06.50 | d1b | !kfreebsd |
| 13:06.50 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:07.00 | codercio | the bots maked crazy |
| 13:07.06 | _AnywhereIs_ | what is the command to report trolls to staff here? |
| 13:07.08 | xand | maybe they'll understand in #debian-es |
| 13:07.21 | xand | _AnywhereIs_: tell abrotman ;) |
| 13:07.27 | AimHere | codercio is already in #debian-mexico |
| 13:07.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | got it |
| 13:07.30 | babilen | _AnywhereIs_: staff knows already |
| 13:07.42 | _AnywhereIs_ | just for future :) |
| 13:07.52 | abrotman | codercio: if you need Debian help, please ask your question, otherwise be quiet |
| 13:08.04 | codercio | ok |
| 13:08.04 | babilen | _AnywhereIs_: '!ops <reason>' |
| 13:08.19 | codercio | can i still here? |
| 13:08.23 | abrotman | codercio: if you need Debian help, please ask your question, otherwise be quiet |
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| 13:09.23 | _AnywhereIs_ | babilen: ty, i just didn't find it in dpkg's help |
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| 13:09.30 | codercio | xand, u spek spanish? |
| 13:09.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
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| 13:09.40 | xand | no. do you speak English? |
| 13:09.48 | liable | \o/ |
| 13:09.53 | azeem | codercio: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being repeatedly off-topic |
| 13:10.20 | azeem | please follow what abrotman just wrote twice in the future |
| 13:10.23 | PerfDave | Hi, I'm running KDE 3.5 on Lenny with KDM; when I log in, the KDE session seems to hang on "Initialising system services". Any idea how I can diagnose what's wrong here? .xsession-errors is not illuminating. |
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| 13:10.43 | Administrador | tired of niggers? |
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| 13:10.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@201.171.93.108] by abrotman |
| 13:10.51 | *** kick/#debian [Administrador!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (abrotman) |
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| 13:11.01 | cmacis | nicely done |
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| 13:11.08 | abrotman | i knew what was next? |
| 13:11.22 | liable | was a full moon wannit? ;) |
| 13:11.27 | contrains | Nice quick reaction |
| 13:11.44 | wuffi600 | frohes neues 2010! |
| 13:11.49 | wuffi600 | hi and happy 2010! |
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| 13:18.34 | abrotman | PerfDave: there are no .kde* files ? |
| 13:18.39 | abrotman | log files i mean |
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| 13:18.50 | PerfDave | abrotman: Not that I can find. |
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| 13:19.06 | abrotman | does it only fail for that user ? |
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| 13:19.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: That's the only user on the system :) |
| 13:19.32 | abrotman | create a new testing one ? |
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| 13:20.17 | PerfDave | abrotman: If I move my .kde/ out of the way, it still fails. |
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| 13:21.02 | PerfDave | And it fails for a new user too. |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | how did you install kde/xorg? |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | PerfDave: did you see anything in the syslog/messages ? |
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| 13:21.57 | PerfDave | abrotman: aptitude install kdebase kdm - this was working last night. |
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| 13:22.13 | arturoruz | any one is dev of deb project? i wish to make some for this project |
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| 13:22.33 | PerfDave | arturoruz: Sounds like you want #debian-devel |
| 13:22.35 | arturoruz | and _any (tot) |
| 13:23.26 | abrotman | do you have another WM installed to try that? |
| 13:23.33 | PerfDave | abrotman: Don't be silly ;) |
| 13:23.40 | abrotman | not even twm ? |
| 13:23.58 | PerfDave | Why would I have installed twm? |
| 13:24.14 | abrotman | you might not have knowingly done it |
| 13:24.56 | PerfDave | OK, I've installed twm and I can log in with it. |
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| 13:25.11 | abrotman | problem solved! :) |
| 13:25.40 | PerfDave | :p |
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| 13:26.02 | arturoruz | abrotman ok |
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| 13:26.34 | abrotman | PerfDave: if you set the date to yesterday, does it work fine? |
| 13:26.42 | mrtn12345 | I tried IRC client bitchx, but I wonder is there a possibility to log chats? |
| 13:26.57 | abrotman | bleh .. it really won't matter in the end i guess .. |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | mrtn12345: please don't use bitchx .. it's dead upstream and has bad security issues |
| 13:27.39 | abrotman | PerfDave: are you starting from startx or kdm ? |
| 13:27.45 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, there doesn't seem to be a y10k problem |
| 13:27.46 | PerfDave | abrotman: kdm |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | isn't there a /var/log/kdm.log ? |
| 13:28.12 | abrotman | or /var/log/kdm/ ? |
| 13:28.23 | PerfDave | Yeah, but it's basically an X log and doesn't tell me anything interesting. |
| 13:28.25 | liable | i doubt it would show anything usefull, as its already handed over to kde |
| 13:28.34 | azeem | PerfDave: you know #debian-devel on freenode is rather empty? |
| 13:28.42 | PerfDave | azeem: No |
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| 13:28.53 | abrotman | azeem: the guy went there and started speaking spanish .. i sent him along to debian-es |
| 13:28.55 | azeem | in any case it's not appropriate to forward random people to it without furthing checking they have a legitimate case |
| 13:29.00 | mrtn12345 | abrotman: is there a good alternative CLI IRC client? |
| 13:29.08 | abrotman | mrtn12345: irssi |
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| 13:29.24 | PerfDave | azeem: He was asking about Debian development, what's inappropriate about asking about Debian development on #debian-devel? |
| 13:30.03 | azeem | 14:21 < arturoruz> any one is dev of deb project? i wish to make some for this project |
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| 13:30.13 | abrotman | make some what ? |
| 13:30.20 | liable | fun |
| 13:30.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: NOISE! |
| 13:30.22 | babilen | PerfDave: There is also #debian-mentors@OFTC and a couple of other channels .. |
| 13:30.26 | azeem | PerfDave: #debian-mentors is for novice packaging questions |
| 13:30.35 | PerfDave | Hmm, never heard of that before. |
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| 13:33.43 | coderrrr | from the begin |
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| 13:34.31 | coderrrr | hi my name is arturo ruz, i will be here as dev, if can i help...i try to be here ok? |
| 13:34.42 | coderrrr | please dont kick me again |
| 13:35.20 | coderrrr | same for debian-help and debian-es |
| 13:35.44 | coderrrr | can i abrotmain? |
| 13:35.46 | liable | he is also the dude you +b'd |
| 13:35.50 | coderrrr | abrotman... |
| 13:36.16 | abrotman | i didn't kick you the first time |
| 13:36.29 | coderrrr | liable :x |
| 13:36.56 | coderrrr | from now i be helper |
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| 13:37.10 | coderrrr | dont lammer |
| 13:37.28 | cmacis | !enter |
| 13:37.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:37.49 | coderrrr | can i? |
| 13:38.06 | liable | coderrrr: sure, just be quiet until you can help.. |
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| 13:43.05 | CooL_ | hi, i need some help please with installing some programs, flash player, configuring compiz |
| 13:43.15 | CooL_ | can any one help me? |
| 13:43.40 | coderrrr | try to join to |
| 13:43.52 | coderrrr | adobe site |
| 13:43.58 | abrotman | coderrrr: please stop |
| 13:44.08 | coderrrr | ok |
| 13:44.08 | abrotman | !tell CooL_ about adobe flash |
| 13:44.13 | liable | giggles |
| 13:44.20 | _AnywhereIs_ | CooL_: maybe we can. what is the exact problem you experience? |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | !tell CooL_ about bpo |
| 13:44.57 | CooL_ | flash player: i installed it on debian lenny |
| 13:45.09 | abrotman | installed it how? |
| 13:45.19 | CooL_ | amd 64, but it says its for i686 not 64 |
| 13:45.43 | CooL_ | while in the adobe site this one the web site gave me for my system |
| 13:46.05 | CooL_ | i installed it using terminal pdkg -i flash... |
| 13:46.29 | CooL_ | dpkg -i * |
| 13:46.29 | dpkg | removes a lung from cool_ and replaces it with * |
| 13:46.37 | coderrrr | adobe dosnt wrk in 64bits flash player |
| 13:46.53 | coderrrr | try to run 32bits player |
| 13:46.54 | CooL_ | and whats the solution |
| 13:47.38 | abrotman | coderrrr: yes it does .. just please be quiet |
| 13:47.48 | abrotman | CooL_: what was the name of the package you installed |
| 13:48.42 | CooL_ | install_flash_player_10_linux.deb |
| 13:48.49 | abrotman | CooL_: see what the dpkg bot told you .. there should be enough pointers about backports.org |
| 13:48.54 | abrotman | CooL_: that's wrong .. uninstall that package |
| 13:48.55 | Maxxie | I love Debian! |
| 13:48.58 | Maxxie | yeah! |
| 13:48.59 | Maxxie | :) |
| 13:49.00 | linkd | I love Debian too! |
| 13:50.45 | CooL_ | whats wrong with the pakage? |
| 13:50.51 | abrotman | CooL_: it's not for Debian |
| 13:51.02 | CooL_ | any way this is what the terminal gives me "dpkg-deb: `install_flash_player_10_linux.deb' is not a debian format archive dpkg: error processing install_flash_player_10_linux.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: install_flash_player_10_linux.deb " |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. it's not for Debian .. just ignore that |
| 13:51.36 | abrotman | hopefully it will forget you ever tried |
| 13:51.42 | PerfDave | Hmm, fixed my KDE problem - something to do with hanging mountpoints. |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | CooL_: go to http://backports.org/ and read the instructions |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's weird .. |
| 13:52.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, I think it was a discrepancy between /proc/mounts and the output of "mount" which I've seen rarely, mostly on RHEL machines. |
| 13:52.47 | abrotman | PerfDave: so the new year had nothing to do with it i'd guess ? |
| 13:52.55 | PerfDave | abrotman: Not until 2037 :) |
| 13:53.20 | abrotman | PerfDave: wait .. then why did a new user die too ? |
| 13:53.22 | d1b | PerfDave: 2038 ftw! |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | or is it an fstab mount ? |
| 13:54.09 | PerfDave | abrotman: No idea |
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| 13:54.20 | abrotman | it's your computer! |
| 13:54.40 | iolo | indo dá-lhe o primeiro cago do ano.... |
| 13:54.47 | PerfDave | abrotman: It's not an fstab mount |
| 13:54.57 | abrotman | wonder why a new user hung too ... |
| 13:55.06 | abrotman | decides kde does weird things .. :) |
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| 13:55.15 | PerfDave | Presumably something to do with fmd or somethign |
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| 13:56.48 | CooL_ | [abrotman] thank you |
| 13:56.53 | CooL_ | it worked fine now |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | famd ? |
| 13:57.06 | CooL_ | but i have other problems |
| 13:57.06 | PerfDave | Yeah, that too |
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| 13:57.21 | CooL_ | my wireless card is not working |
| 13:57.28 | PerfDave | CooL_: What do you mean, "is not working"? |
| 13:57.50 | CooL_ | in the terminal ifconfig dont shows wlan0 |
| 13:58.01 | CooL_ | but in the bunchmark it shows it |
| 13:58.03 | PerfDave | What about "ifconfig -a"? |
| 13:58.07 | PerfDave | What's a bunchmark? |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | CooL_: what is the device? 'lspci -nn' |
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| 13:58.39 | abrotman | wonders in what world flash is more important than wifi |
| 13:59.24 | CooL_ | what is lspci? |
| 13:59.36 | CooL_ | sorry but im a biginner |
| 13:59.44 | abrotman | it's a ocmmand |
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| 14:00.15 | CooL_ | Beginner* |
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| 14:00.53 | cmacis | but he hadn't said anything in ages... |
| 14:01.12 | abrotman | cmacis: not to you ... |
| 14:01.17 | cmacis | ah |
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| 14:01.20 | CooL_ | Ù٠ساخصس Ø´Ù
خ٠خب صخÙÙس Ø´ÙÙ Ù
Ø«ÙÙØ«Ùس |
| 14:01.31 | CooL_ | it shows alot of words and letters |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | CooL_: english is preferred ... |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | CooL_: LANG=C lspci -nn |
| 14:01.50 | CooL_ | i know, by mistake |
| 14:01.53 | DDave | cool :3 never seen somebofy writing in arab @ irc |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 14:02.01 | nevyn | that is shiny tho |
| 14:02.04 | nevyn | arabic |
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| 14:02.22 | nevyn | utf-8 ftw |
| 14:02.46 | CooL_ | same alot of letters |
| 14:03.11 | abrotman | CooL_: which are ... ? |
| 14:03.13 | liable | yes, and they mean something to those that can understand them :) |
| 14:03.28 | CooL_ | "00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub [8086:2770] (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL PCI Express Root Port [8086:2771] (rev 02) 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 [8086:27d0] (rev 01) |
| 14:03.29 | nevyn | liable: how's your arabic? |
| 14:03.40 | liable | terrible :) |
| 14:03.43 | DDave | xD |
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| 14:03.52 | abrotman | CooL_: one of the lines should be your wifi card |
| 14:04.08 | CooL_ | wait ill try to find it |
| 14:04.16 | liable | the important one got truncated |
| 14:05.14 | abrotman | CooL_: you can use paste.debian.net to paste it all |
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| 14:06.07 | CooL_ | http://paste.debian.net/55347/ |
| 14:06.59 | PerfDave | abrotman: Ooh, hang on - looks like my KDE problem had another source. When I debootstrapped this install, I forgot to set up /etc/network/interfaces for lo |
| 14:07.21 | abrotman | !tell CooL_ about bcm4318 |
| 14:07.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: whoops |
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| 14:08.04 | liable | heh, not having lo did my head in why i couldnt get cups working for a while :) |
| 14:09.34 | CooL_ | i found it |
| 14:09.35 | CooL_ | 05:01.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02) |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | !tell CooL_ about b43-fwcutter |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | CooL_: see what the bot told you |
| 14:10.11 | CooL_ | whats bot? |
| 14:10.15 | CooL_ | im a starter |
| 14:10.20 | CooL_ | last wek i was windows |
| 14:10.25 | pierre_le | CooL_, lsmod | grep bcm43xx |
| 14:10.42 | liable | he's on webchat, dpkg prolly cant msg him |
| 14:11.08 | PerfDave | CooL_: Broadcome wireless won't work without extra firmware; Debian doesn't provide it for you because it's not free software. You'll need to use some software called b43-cutter to extract the firmware you need to make your wireless card work. |
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| 14:11.36 | abrotman | CooL_: do you have the non-free repos setup? cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:14.11 | CooL_ | i've opened resorces |
| 14:14.14 | CooL_ | what shall i do |
| 14:14.27 | PerfDave | CooL_: What do you mean "opened resorces"? |
| 14:15.17 | CooL_ | i've open the "etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 14:15.24 | PerfDave | How have you opened it? |
| 14:15.39 | abrotman | CooL_: do you have non-free in there or not |
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| 14:16.33 | CooL_ | in the third-party tab i have "main contrip non-free" |
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| 14:17.46 | abrotman | CooL_: aptitude install b43-fwcutter |
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| 14:18.40 | CooL_ | it looks like it will waork |
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| 14:20.45 | bitfox | hi |
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| 14:21.48 | abrotman | or not ... |
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| 14:23.35 | CooL__ | the wlan worked |
| 14:24.06 | liable | why do i have the feeling your not finshed yet? :) |
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| 14:25.22 | CooL__ | im sorry i asked alot, but i really need these answers |
| 14:25.43 | liable | hey, no need to apologise.. |
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| 14:26.53 | PrickelPit | hi, i have pretty big fonts in qt3/4 apps under squeeze with gnome deskop, how can i get the qtfonts smaller? i already tried qtconfig withou success. |
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| 14:27.39 | CooL__ | so on wlan is the internet sheared?,or i must activate it my self? |
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| 14:28.12 | CooL__ | because i need to share internet |
| 14:28.17 | PerfDave | CooL__: No worries. People learn by doing, and some things like broadcom wifi are a bit tricky because the manufacturer doesn't support Linux well. |
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| 14:28.32 | abrotman | or at all really ... |
| 14:28.56 | PerfDave | CooL__: You're accessing the Internet through your wired connection on your system, and you want other machines to access the Internet through your machine's wireless connection?/ |
| 14:29.01 | babilen | CooL__: share wifi? Who do you want to share it with? I mean - it's wifi! It's pre-shared ;-) |
| 14:29.04 | bitfox | I haven't the /etc/samba/smbpasswd file but... smbpasswd works fine! Where did it add users? |
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| 14:30.18 | CooL__ | i have a PPPoE internet connection, to my pc, i want to share it throw my router |
| 14:30.19 | CooL__ | my internet is wired |
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| 14:31.40 | funky | hello |
| 14:31.46 | babilen | CooL__: No, that functionality is not yet configured. You have to enable it explicitly. You want to setup a 'bridge' between the two network interfaces (eg: eth0<->wlan0) |
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| 14:32.03 | babilen | !tell CooL__ -about bridge setup |
| 14:32.04 | CooL__ | ya that what i want |
| 14:32.26 | funky | is there anyone else having problems mounting nfs directories? the problem is rpc.statd |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | really? |
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| 14:32.59 | PerfDave | funky: What problem are you having? |
| 14:33.48 | funky | PerfDave: I can't mount any nfs resource because rcp.statd is not running |
| 14:33.59 | funky | i have to use nolock to be able to mount it |
| 14:34.00 | CooL__ | ok ill try to make a bridge my self, so thek you very much |
| 14:34.30 | CooL__ | see you guys |
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| 14:34.56 | babilen | wonders if anything else needs to be done to get the wifi bridge working with PPPoE |
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| 14:35.05 | babilen | .. gone |
| 14:35.35 | funky | PerfDave: neither lauching by hand (directly rpc.statd) nor through /etc/init.d/rpc.statd work |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | he probably wanted NAT ? |
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| 14:36.15 | babilen | He will come back :-) |
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| 14:45.27 | owner | is squeeze out now?? i dont have a button to upgrade yet........ |
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| 14:45.53 | owner | someone say he running it |
| 14:46.02 | babilen | it has not yet been released |
| 14:46.20 | babilen | !wwsr |
| 14:46.20 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
| 14:46.21 | ktlr | hi there, i have a little problem, i want to make ssh key auth, so i follow these steps http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-ssh-with-public-key-authentication-debian-etch , but when i want to login to my server ssh -2 -4 -oServerAliveInterval=30 -g -f -n -N -T -i ./id_rsa -p 22 attila@localhost i got the next error message : Permission denied (publickey). the passphrase is good, so i dont know why did it |
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| 14:47.18 | babilen | ktlr: I have to parse that ssh command first - hang on :-D |
| 14:47.19 | owner | babilen: ok hmm thanks |
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| 14:47.52 | scratchme | Hi all |
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| 14:48.13 | ktlr | babilen, thats just simple params... |
| 14:48.21 | scratchme | Is there a way I can trace down why bonnie++ does not show when I do an aptitude search bonnie++ ? |
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| 14:49.07 | scratchme | My sources are using ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
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| 14:49.10 | babilen | ktlr: why do you set all them ... '-p 22' looks redundant for example |
| 14:50.04 | babilen | ktlr: have you added the key you want to login with to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | scratchme: but apt-cache search bonnie finds it ? |
| 14:50.32 | ktlr | Just for the sake of formality |
| 14:50.35 | abrotman | scratchme: which version of debian ? |
| 14:50.36 | scratchme | abrotman, no. |
| 14:51.01 | ktlr | babilen no, because i use my own privatet key with -i parameter |
| 14:51.04 | abrotman | scratchme: it works here .. which shell are you using? which version of debian ? |
| 14:51.26 | scratchme | abrotman, it's actually proxmox which I'm not certain what version, but I'm thinking it's based on debian lenny. It says this when I uname -a : Linux vmserver2 2.6.24-8-pve #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Oct 16 11:17:55 CEST 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:52.17 | scratchme | Their website touts debian, and it has aptitude, so that's why I'm asking what's the normal method to trace down such an anomaly. |
| 14:52.30 | babilen | ktlr: I don't quite understand. How do you expect the remote server to verify your key? |
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| 14:53.37 | babilen | ktlr: you should add 'id_rsa.pub' to ~/.ssh/autorized_keys on the remote server |
| 14:53.45 | ktlr | babilen sorry I misinterpreted the question. |
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| 14:54.13 | ERX | hello, |
| 14:54.26 | ktlr | yep, i havent added, but now i have added to the authorized_keys, and now i have a new problem :S |
| 14:54.32 | babilen | ktlr: and try 'ssh -i ./id_rsa attila@localhost' |
| 14:54.42 | babilen | ktlr: what is the new problem? |
| 14:55.01 | ERX | on http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/testing |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | scratchme: okay .. a) you should ask them b) try to escape the + perhaps .. it works here on squeeze |
| 14:55.16 | ERX | you'll find unstable is vulnerable, or fixed in unstable for every package |
| 14:55.25 | ERX | what do they mean by that ? |
| 14:56.01 | scratchme | abrotman, I'll try asking them. I just thought there might be a standard way of identifying that you're getting the package list you expect. |
| 14:56.11 | babilen | ktlr: please don't /msg me |
| 14:56.27 | abrotman | ERX: it means what it says .. it means the package in testing is vulnerable, and either a) the package in unstable is still vulnerable b) the fix is in unstable, hasn't migrated to testing yet |
| 14:56.32 | ktlr | babilen, i didnt want it, but it is a private information |
| 14:56.54 | ktlr | babilen, i didnt want to paste it to public |
| 14:57.00 | ERX | :( |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | ERX: what's wrong with that ? |
| 14:57.20 | babilen | ktlr: why do you want to share it with me then? Remove confidential parts of that. And you should know that the pastebin you used will be indexed by google |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | yay google |
| 14:58.13 | liable | i dont think they let it index pastebin |
| 14:58.13 | ktlr | babilen, because the paste of that site, is private, and the google will not able to see it |
| 14:58.32 | scratchme | abrotman, thanks anyway. Happy new year all. |
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| 14:59.07 | ERX | abrotman : testings seems to have a lot more problems than unstable :S |
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| 14:59.46 | abrotman | ERX: that happens .. that's why neither are suitable for production |
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| 15:00.42 | ERX | true. |
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| 15:01.20 | ERX | but who wants to run stable on a laptop ? |
| 15:01.28 | cmacis | me... |
| 15:01.48 | ERX | cmacis , you like running packages from the 60's on your laptop mate ? |
| 15:02.09 | cmacis | yeah, it can get anoying. Pidgin hasn't worked for weeks |
| 15:02.14 | ERX | x11 crashing because the intel driver is too out of date :P |
| 15:02.20 | ERX | hehe |
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| 15:03.16 | babilen | cmacis: pidgin in backports fixes some of the problems you might refer to (msn for example) |
| 15:03.36 | cmacis | yeah. I'm quite happy with kopete for now |
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| 15:04.20 | abrotman | ERX: that's your decision to make .. either choose stable or insecure .. |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | or at least .. that's how you're making it seem |
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| 15:05.48 | ERX | :D |
| 15:06.05 | Maxxie | guys what do you think about debian.cr0.org's grsecurity? |
| 15:06.09 | ERX | anyone tried http://flipsidereality.com/blog/uncategorized/speed-up-apt-get-with-axel-and-apt-fast/ ? |
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| 15:09.27 | abrotman | ERX: you should be using aptitude |
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| 15:10.16 | ERX | abrotman : its giving me an error atm regarding unmet deps |
| 15:10.33 | abrotman | so fix them |
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| 15:10.40 | ERX | just one package |
| 15:10.50 | abrotman | and you're using testing/unstable ? |
| 15:11.05 | ERX | thats correct. |
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| 15:11.25 | abrotman | that happens .. if you don't want broken stuff, use stable .. |
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| 15:11.55 | cmacis | Isn't ubuntu based on unstable? |
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| 15:12.14 | ERX | as long as there isnt an remote exploits for testing im fine. |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | cmacis: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:12.35 | cmacis | ok, just curious |
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| 15:13.37 | ERX | epiphany-browser is the one i was talking about abortman |
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| 15:13.50 | abrotman | i have it installed just fine here |
| 15:14.11 | ERX | if it gives me problems after the upgrade, i'll just remove it :) |
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| 15:25.42 | zamba | i have a raid-1 i want to replace with two new hard drives.. i have now all four hard drives up on the same system.. how can i set up the raid and replace the old one? |
| 15:26.09 | trstag | hi all... I've got another silly question: how can I know before installing a package which version of the software would be installed? Say "apt-cache search kvm | grep "^kvm" tells me that "kvm - Full virutalization on x86 hardware" is available, but which version would that install? |
| 15:26.27 | o2T7 | apt-cache show |
| 15:26.31 | trstag | s/virutalization/virtualization/ |
| 15:26.51 | trstag | o2T7: thanks a lot :) |
| 15:27.14 | trstag | so "man apt-cache" I should have found that myself :-/ |
| 15:27.26 | o2T7 | trstag: np |
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| 15:33.56 | trstag | apparently my new Debian (Lenny) is not acting like my old Debian... Upon an "apt-get install" it insists on removing lots of unused packages flagged with {u}, is this something new? |
| 15:34.55 | PerfDave | trstag: apt-get in Lenny now supports aptitude's recognition of packages insalled solely to meet dependencies, yes. |
| 15:35.34 | trstag | is there a way to tell it "no I'm fine, I don't care I may need these packages once, they don't bother me, don't remove them" ? |
| 15:35.42 | abrotman | !unmarkauto |
| 15:35.42 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 15:36.48 | trstag | hmmm... I really not sure I removed bits of anything. |
| 15:37.31 | PerfDave | trstag: Maybe you installed something whcih conflicted with something else which had dependencies? |
| 15:38.24 | trstag | I just need to get used to it I guess, I'm rusty, Debian works too well... I install it, configure it, then use it for 3 years and lots of things have changed once I need to do a new install :) |
| 15:38.42 | PerfDave | trstag: You don't do an upgrade? :) |
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| 15:40.32 | trstag | PerfDave: no never... I start from a known good .iso burned on a CD/DVD. You never know. And I only do this once every x years so :) |
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| 15:42.49 | PerfDave | trstag: Fair enough. I've got systems which have gone potato->woody->sarge->etch->lenny :) |
| 15:43.22 | trstag | woaw |
| 15:43.31 | ERX | o_0 |
| 15:44.16 | trstag | hmmm something is borken in my Debian install... It insist on removing packages I use all the time. How can I know which metapackage supposedly removed (I didn't remove any) made the sh*t hit the fan? :) |
| 15:44.23 | ERX | this toy story idea regarding these names sucks badly btw :P |
| 15:44.48 | trstag | and I didn't force any conflicting install... |
| 15:44.54 | AimHere | They'll run out of film characters eventually |
| 15:45.03 | babilen | trstag: paste the output please |
| 15:45.09 | PerfDave | ERX: Why don't you start your own distro with a better naming convention, and blackjack, and hookers? In fact, forget about the better naming convention! |
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| 15:45.25 | ERX | hehehehe |
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| 15:45.35 | AimHere | That really ought to be a dpkg-ism |
| 15:45.55 | AimHere | As in !betterdistro a better naming convention |
| 15:46.17 | trstag | http://www.pastebin.ca/1734073 |
| 15:46.59 | trstag | i use 'zip' and 'unzip' all the time, for example |
| 15:47.03 | ERX | gnome-core :D |
| 15:47.20 | trstag | and aspell too |
| 15:47.53 | babilen | trstag: use aptitude and paste the output again. 'apt-get' will not remove any of the listed packages. It just informs you that you could remove them safely, because no other package depends on them and they were automatically installed |
| 15:47.55 | ERX | trstag : does aptitude do the same ? |
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| 15:48.43 | babilen | trstag: and you probably want to install one of the gnome meta packages (gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment) |
| 15:49.17 | trstag | http://www.pastebin.ca/1734077 aptitude insist on really removing them, which makes me very nervous |
| 15:49.57 | babilen | trstag: install gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment and 'aptitude unmarkauto' applicable packages from that list |
| 15:50.34 | zamba | i'm having problems getting my locale set up correctly.. |
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| 15:50.52 | babilen | zamba: what is the problem? |
| 15:50.57 | zamba | when entering norwegian characters, i only get {|} as output |
| 15:51.11 | zamba | and i can't see the correct characters if they are in any files |
| 15:51.39 | zamba | i believe this is related to /etc/inputrc and the current locale, right? |
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| 15:52.01 | babilen | trstag: an in 'oh, i want <foo> --> aptitude unmarkauto foo' or 'i want <foo> and the rest of gnome-media --> aptitude unmarkauto gnome-media' |
| 15:52.17 | trstag | has to go wish happy new year to family and shall install KVM later and thanks everyone for their help (happy new year all) |
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| 15:52.40 | trstag | babilen: I see, cut'n'pasting this for this evening, I'll probably come back with some questions :-/ |
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| 15:52.59 | babilen | trstag: sure. happy new year! |
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| 15:53.44 | babilen | zamba: dpkg-reconfigure locales (create the norwegian ones) and configure your keyboard's keymap. Which Debian version/Desktop Environment do you use? |
| 15:53.54 | zamba | babilen: lenny |
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| 15:55.02 | zamba | babilen: already have them there |
| 15:55.09 | zamba | babilen: how do i configure the keymap? |
| 15:55.17 | babilen | !tell zamba -about keymap |
| 15:55.21 | jabular | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.56 | babilen | zamba: you might also be able to configure the keyboard in you desktop environment, hence my (unanswered) question |
| 15:56.05 | babilen | s/you/your |
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| 16:00.43 | jus__ | is there a squeeze or a sid release?or is there only the daily and weekle build? |
| 16:00.47 | babilen | no |
| 16:01.00 | babilen | err: no, yes |
| 16:01.20 | jus__ | :)ok thanks |
| 16:01.28 | babilen | sid will never be released and squeeze is not even frozen |
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| 16:12.18 | pozic | When I mv a few directories, I get Operation not permitted as root with no other indication of why I have no permissions or which permissions I need. |
| 16:13.29 | PinkFreud | pozic: Have you tried using -v as an argument to mv? |
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| 16:13.55 | pozic | PinkFreud, yes, that gives the same. |
| 16:14.17 | pozic | PinkFreud, it probably are the mount options then, I guess. |
| 16:14.23 | PinkFreud | pozic: it should give you an idea where the issue is occuring |
| 16:14.25 | o2T7 | pozic: Probably some of those files/dirs have not the writable flag set |
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| 16:15.20 | pozic | o2T7, maybe the problem is that it is an NTFS drive? |
| 16:15.53 | pozic | When I run chmod, I also get "operation not supported". |
| 16:16.57 | pozic | I thought NTFS did support basic right management. |
| 16:18.30 | ceil420 | heh |
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| 16:20.28 | pozic | How can I mount by device hash? |
| 16:20.53 | babilen | !tell pozic -about uuid |
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| 16:21.50 | hikenboot | hello can anyone answer is there a method of automated installs of debian and ubuntu that supports automated setup of raid, lvm, and encryption? |
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| 16:23.12 | babilen | hikenboot: Have a look at FAI |
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| 16:23.48 | babilen | !tell hikenboot -about fai |
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| 16:27.34 | hikenboot | babilen, thats a beautiful thing! Not sure it supports encryption but I will look further, thanks a bunch! |
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| 16:35.40 | babilen | hikenboot: good luck |
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| 16:36.05 | pozic | A normal audio output port is analog right? E.g. those on mid-range laptops? What about HDMI? |
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| 16:37.48 | babilen | hdmi is not analog |
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| 16:45.35 | pozic | For some reason the automounter (whatever progrram it is) doesn't mount in such a way that you can write to the file system. With a manual fstab entry it works however. |
| 16:46.12 | babilen | pozic: the ntfs one? |
| 16:46.19 | pozic | babilen, yes |
| 16:46.42 | pozic | babilen, I don't have this problem on Ubuntu, so I have no idea where this comes from, though. |
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| 16:47.02 | babilen | !tell pozic -about user accessible ntfs |
| 16:47.09 | babilen | pozic: ^^^ just in case |
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| 16:55.35 | flikka | hi, my date on my debian box is out of sync, the real time is 17:55 now but the date on my machine is 18:45, how do i sync it? |
| 16:55.42 | flikka | wtf |
| 16:56.00 | abrotman | !tell flikka about set the time |
| 16:56.16 | PerfDave | flikka: To fix the minutes part, use ntp / ntpdate; the hour part *might* be a timezone thing. |
| 16:56.42 | flikka | i restarted ntp before and changed some servers in /etc/default/ntpdate and now 10 sec ago it changed the time to the correct time lol |
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| 16:57.08 | PerfDave | flikka: ntp usually won't change your time if it's out by a large amount; using ntpdate to get it close is a good stat. |
| 16:57.23 | xingu | !ntpdate |
| 16:57.24 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just install the ntp package, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. Ask me about <ntp>. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 16:57.43 | abrotman | use ntp! |
| 16:58.13 | flikka | ntpdate says "1 Jan 17:57:57 ntpdate[8390]: no servers can be used, exiting" :S |
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| 16:59.24 | pozic | Those error messages only mean something to programmers. Kind of sad. |
| 16:59.37 | pozic | "used" can mean a million things. |
| 17:00.28 | cahoot | is ntp running? |
| 17:00.32 | pozic | There are some properties that must hold, and the program should return a counter-example of where the environment fails to follow the expected invariants. |
| 17:00.55 | pozic | This is basic program design, right? |
| 17:01.07 | azeem | pozic: what are you talking about? |
| 17:01.43 | pozic | azeem, about the general bad state of error messages in lots of programs. Open source ones are a lot better than commercial ones, though. |
| 17:01.53 | PerfDave | pozic: Feel free to submit patches ;) |
| 17:02.05 | azeem | pozic: this is off-topic here |
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| 17:02.50 | rgr | pozic: do you have any substance behind that claim? |
| 17:03.24 | hikenboot | hello let me start by saying thanks once again for all the help i get here, its appreciated, I want to ensure encryption is being used, short of rebooting and trying to attach to encrypted partitions without encryption being enabled is there a way to be sure..a command of some sort/ |
| 17:03.30 | pozic | rgr, years of experience? |
| 17:03.37 | pozic | rgr, and it is off-topic. |
| 17:03.45 | pozic | rgr, go to debian-offtopic |
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| 17:05.32 | rgr | pozic: you brougt it up. But I'm done with it anyway. |
| 17:05.35 | smacnay | is conduit still actively developed? |
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| 17:06.01 | mreh | i'm trying to debug my wireless, and all obvious problems have been ruled out because I can use the wireless to scan for local gateways with success |
| 17:06.32 | mreh | using dhclient I can't seem to obtain an IP from the gateway I want to connect from |
| 17:06.39 | pozic | mreh, iwlist scan only scans as root. |
| 17:06.54 | babilen | hikenboot: cryptsetup luksOpen <device> <name> && mount /dev/mapper/<name> /path/to/mount/point ? |
| 17:06.54 | mreh | pozic: i have root permissions |
| 17:06.57 | pozic | mreh, otherwise it will just show the last result I think. |
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| 17:07.01 | cahoot | mreh: auth eror? |
| 17:07.18 | mreh | cahoot: I was about to get to that, all the logs show no authentication errors |
| 17:07.45 | babilen | !tell hikenboot -about luks |
| 17:08.27 | babilen | hikenboot: s+/dev/mapper++ |
| 17:09.57 | djura-san | is there debian sid iso? |
| 17:10.08 | mreh | djura-san: no |
| 17:10.14 | mreh | it's never going to be released |
| 17:10.15 | djura-san | thank you |
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| 17:10.36 | PerfDave | hikenboot: cryptsetup isLuks ? |
| 17:10.36 | AimHere | There used to be Sid DVD isos produced by some place in Hungary, but we're talking 3-4 years ago |
| 17:10.41 | AimHere | I don't know if they still do that |
| 17:10.41 | djura-san | (so im right to download sidux and "roll" all the times) |
| 17:10.56 | babilen | djura-san: install lenny, lenny->squeeze->sid |
| 17:11.03 | hikenboot | PerfDave, thanks thats what i am looking for |
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| 17:11.18 | lubes | ola a tutti |
| 17:11.26 | djura-san | babilen, too many updates. :| |
| 17:11.27 | azeem | !it |
| 17:11.27 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:11.45 | lubes | !list |
| 17:11.45 | dpkg | lubes: VATTENE VIA |
| 17:13.26 | nsadmin | lubes: http://www.debian.org |
| 17:13.49 | LiL_mr-t | why is my sd card not recognised when i plug it in? if i try to mount it, i get the message "mount: you must specify the filesystem type". if i then run fdisk -l, the device is shown and re-running mount works. any ideas? |
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| 17:14.13 | flikka | cahoot: yes ntp is running |
| 17:14.21 | babilen | djura-san: run stable then *shrug* |
| 17:14.39 | cahoot | flikka: try stop ntp the run ntpdate |
| 17:14.41 | lubes | !list |
| 17:14.41 | dpkg | lubes: VATTENE VIA |
| 17:15.00 | nsadmin | lubes: http://packages.debian.org |
| 17:15.05 | flikka | cahoot: doesn't matter |
| 17:15.15 | djura-san | babilen, this will be okay untill squeeze |
| 17:15.19 | cahoot | ok |
| 17:15.40 | nsadmin | lubes: maybe you['re thinking this is a warez trading channel... |
| 17:15.40 | babilen | djura-san: exactly |
| 17:15.42 | PerfDave | When will seuqqze release? ;) |
| 17:15.53 | PerfDave | Erk typogeddon |
| 17:16.16 | babilen | PerfDave: When it is ready. Squeeze is expected in April |
| 17:16.18 | mreh | my routing tables are empty |
| 17:16.20 | mreh | what would do that? |
| 17:16.23 | babilen | s/Squeeze/Freeze :-D |
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| 17:16.41 | PerfDave | mreh: Not having any interfaces up? |
| 17:16.49 | PerfDave | babilen: It was a joke question, really - though I note the plan to freeze squeeze in December failed. |
| 17:17.02 | babilen | PerfDave: and it is March .... *sigh* |
| 17:17.28 | lubes | I am sorry all of you I made a mistake |
| 17:17.52 | babilen | lubes: what were you trying to do? |
| 17:18.04 | babilen | lubes: (if related to Debian) |
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| 17:18.43 | mreh | ifup: interface wlan0 already configured |
| 17:18.43 | mreh | matt@lappyClevo:~$ sudo route |
| 17:18.43 | mreh | Kernel IP routing table |
| 17:18.43 | mreh | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 17:18.43 | mreh | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 17:19.08 | mreh | sr |
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| 17:19.38 | Maxxie | mreh: nice name on your box :D |
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| 17:19.58 | mreh | I pasted too many lines, basically though, my wlan0 interface is up, but it's not in the routing table! |
| 17:20.21 | mreh | Maxxie: it's a Taiwanese laptop |
| 17:20.21 | PerfDave | mreh: What's the output of route? |
| 17:20.29 | mreh | i just pasted it |
| 17:20.42 | AimHere | He's trying to get you kicked again.. |
| 17:21.08 | PerfDave | !paste |
| 17:21.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:21.20 | mreh | 2 lines! |
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| 17:21.23 | mreh | okay okay |
| 17:22.02 | mreh | /etc/network/interfaces has the appropriate lines for wlan0, but still no interface is being loaded |
| 17:22.46 | PerfDave | mreh: Can you paste your routing table and the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of "ifconfig wlan0" please? |
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| 17:22.48 | reto` | hah.. didn't know there's #flood |
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| 17:24.58 | mreh | http://pastebin.com/d14f0b0e3 |
| 17:25.12 | mreh | that took a long time |
| 17:25.30 | mreh | i'm using wicd, rather than the command line tools |
| 17:26.11 | PerfDave | mreh: What's the output of "ifconfig wlan0"? |
| 17:26.31 | PerfDave | mreh: Also, whcih version of Debian / Ubuntu are you running? |
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| 17:27.00 | pozic | Where can I configure the editor crontab -e uses? |
| 17:27.08 | babilen | $EDITOR |
| 17:27.23 | PerfDave | pozic: man crontab |
| 17:27.43 | mreh | Lenny --> Linux lappyClevo 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:28.12 | pozic | babilen, it does not use $EDITOR. EDITOR is set to emacsclient, but some other script is being called. |
| 17:28.43 | pozic | PerfDave, thanks |
| 17:28.47 | mreh | http://pastebin.com/d7ddf43fb |
| 17:28.51 | pozic | VISUAL was the problem. |
| 17:28.52 | mreh | PerfDave ^^ |
| 17:29.20 | PerfDave | mreh: Your wlan0 interface has no IP address or netmask, that's why it's not showing up in your routing tables. |
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| 17:29.33 | mreh | PerfDave: ooh, why could that be |
| 17:30.11 | PerfDave | mreh: Presumably (I don't use wicd, I use network-manager) because it failed to get a DHCP lease (possibly because it failed to associate with an access point, judging byt the output of iwconfig) |
| 17:31.59 | mreh | PerfDave: yeah, "$ dhclient wlan0" never gets a DHCPOFFER |
| 17:32.18 | PerfDave | mreh: That looks like your problem then. |
| 17:32.20 | mreh | and I don't know why |
| 17:33.19 | PerfDave | Any particular reason you're using wicd? I have very few problems with network-manager |
| 17:33.43 | mreh | PerfDave: network-manager doesn't remember my wpa keys |
| 17:33.56 | PerfDave | It remembers mine :) |
| 17:34.06 | babilen | mreh: try using PerfDave's wpa keys |
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| 17:34.46 | babilen | mreh: Could you paste the applicable content of /var/log/daemon.log please. |
| 17:34.55 | cahoot | try wpa-supplicant from commandline to possibly catch error |
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| 17:35.07 | mreh | wpa_supplicant, you mean |
| 17:35.17 | cahoot | yes |
| 17:35.27 | PerfDave | babilen: Only if mreh lives very close to me ;) |
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| 17:36.32 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 17:37.07 | superlinux | what is the "red alert 2 command and conquer" linux alternative? |
| 17:37.21 | pozic | superlinux, you run it in wine. |
| 17:37.33 | superlinux | pozic, i dont want wine! |
| 17:37.42 | superlinux | i want an alternative |
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| 17:37.45 | Soultaker | i have been using nvidia propertiary drivers in my laptop and i want to configure my xorg.conf in way that 1.when i use my laptop without anything pluged it will work ok with it (1280x800) 2.when i plug a projector (any kind) it will be detected automatically and used in clone mode 3.when i plug a tv (any kind) it will be detected automatically and used in clone mode 4.to be able to change resoloution of both using krandtray |
| 17:37.45 | Soultaker | my xorg.conf is http://pastebin.ca/1734169 is it ok |
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| 17:38.17 | pozic | superlinux, there is spring RTS, which is a kind of Supreme Commander, but I never was able to reproduce their screenshots. |
| 17:38.41 | PerfDave | Soultaker: I'm not sure hot-plugging TV is supported by the nVidia drivers. |
| 17:39.06 | superlinux | pozic, is its name "spring rts"? |
| 17:39.07 | pozic | Soultaker, everything except the tv part already works, AFAIK. |
| 17:39.33 | pozic | superlinux, springrts.com |
| 17:39.40 | superlinux | ok |
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| 17:39.55 | Soultaker | what about tv |
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| 17:39.59 | Soultaker | ?? |
| 17:40.04 | ali3n | !b43-fwcutter |
| 17:40.04 | dpkg | hmm... b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Available as a <contrib> package for Lenny, Etch and Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. |
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| 17:40.26 | ali3n | im gonna retry this lol |
| 17:40.31 | ali3n | gonna start fresh though :) |
| 17:40.39 | Soultaker | pozic you find my xorg.conf ok?? |
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| 17:40.55 | Soultaker | i have no projector to tets it |
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| 17:41.04 | pozic | Soultaker, I never ever configured a xorg.conf in the past two years. |
| 17:41.12 | mreh | babilen: http://pastebin.com/da4d36f6 |
| 17:41.17 | pozic | Soultaker, before that I needed to do so, though. |
| 17:41.48 | pozic | Soultaker, these days everything except for the tv part Just Works. |
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| 17:42.28 | Soultaker | pozic the hot-plug works or is needed to restart kdm or gdm |
| 17:42.32 | PerfDave | Last time I looked at the TV output from nVidia chips, the hardware doesn't recognise connected TVs unless they're connected at boot. |
| 17:43.07 | pozic | Soultaker, there is one thing that you do have to do, AFAIK. You need to start the nvidia configuration application and tell it to do whatever you want. |
| 17:43.09 | mreh | babilen: http://pastebin.com/da4d36f6 |
| 17:43.13 | Soultaker | if tv is connected via dpi?? |
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| 17:43.35 | mreh | i've done dhclient without the argument, i'll do dhclient wlan0 and paste that |
| 17:43.37 | pozic | Soultaker, you mean dvi? |
| 17:43.38 | babilen | mreh: yes, you never get an IP address from DHCP .. Try 'ifconfig wlan0 up' 'iwconfig essid <your_essid>' (paste iwconfig wlan0 here) 'dhclient3 wlan0' (paste output) |
| 17:43.46 | pozic | !dpi |
| 17:43.46 | dpkg | hmm... dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
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| 17:45.01 | Soultaker | sorry my fault DFP |
| 17:45.20 | babilen | mreh: sorry, it's 'iwconfig wlan0 essid <your_essid>' |
| 17:45.44 | superlinux | back again , I am now on 64bit stable+backports mix. i get "pkgname {a}" on install and it wants to remove some packages listing them like "pkgname {u}" . what is the {a} and what is the {u} ??? |
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| 17:46.03 | pozic | superlinux, but wine works perfectly for most games before DirectX10. |
| 17:46.04 | Soultaker | AGAIN WRONG DVI |
| 17:46.29 | superlinux | pozic, i hate wine! i love native |
| 17:46.35 | mreh | babilen http://pastebin.com/d21c2e620 |
| 17:46.40 | mreh | what did all that do? |
| 17:46.40 | pozic | superlinux, you have no idea what you are talking about. |
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| 17:46.48 | superlinux | pozic, very nationalistic! isn't? |
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| 17:46.59 | pozic | superlinux, please tell us all how you think wine works. |
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| 17:47.21 | pozic | superlinux, it might be that you understand, but I get the impression you don't. |
| 17:47.22 | superlinux | i know it is not emulation |
| 17:47.41 | pozic | superlinux, so, what is not "native" about it? |
| 17:47.45 | babilen | mreh: hmm, you can't connect to your wifi (is it encrypted?). Does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' list your wifi? |
| 17:47.48 | superlinux | but i want native linux application |
| 17:48.12 | pozic | superlinux, it's both x86 with maybe one extra indirection, which probably is not that noticable. |
| 17:48.16 | superlinux | or something already can be compiled on linux |
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| 17:49.12 | pozic | superlinux, there are other games for Linux, but I am not aware of anything else besides Spring (which looks great judging by the video). |
| 17:49.18 | ghostknife | The method ubuntu uses for building the kernel, does it also use the fakeroot and debian/rules script in Debian? |
| 17:49.25 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:49.29 | babilen | ghostknife: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:49.35 | superlinux | brb to check the video |
| 17:50.16 | ghostknife | babilen: But I'm curious if debian does the same. Purely curiosity |
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| 17:50.45 | pozic | superlinux, but as they say, Spring is just the engine, you need an actual game to go with it. They also have online multiplayer, but I don't know how good it is. |
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| 17:51.08 | mreh | babilen: yup, it's wpa2, iwlist will tell me that |
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| 17:51.32 | mreh | i'm going to try and connect via the command line |
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| 17:51.40 | Soultaker | Option "MetaModes" "1280x800,*x*; 1280x800,NULL" |
| 17:51.56 | Soultaker | is acceptable?? |
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| 17:51.58 | mreh | so ifconfig = interface config |
| 17:52.05 | babilen | mreh: ok, you can either configure wpa_supplicant to connect to that network and/or troubleshoot wicd. I can't help you with the latter .. #wicd might be helpful. |
| 17:52.14 | nevyn | so of course it doesn't do the right thing.. ;) |
| 17:52.25 | pozic | Soultaker, it might be that the nvidia application writes that information, but today there is no need to actually modify the file yourself. |
| 17:53.36 | babilen | ghostknife: yes, that is how packages are built. /msg dpkg make-kpkg for further info |
| 17:53.40 | Soultaker | pozic i dont want to use nvidia-settings so try to find out the right |
| 17:54.23 | pozic | Soultaker, well, if you want to go the hard route, do so. But it is really like saying: I will not walk, because crawling also feels nice. |
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| 17:54.34 | mreh | babilen: thx for your help so far |
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| 17:55.10 | ghostknife | babilen: Yeah, I know make-kpkg. Though it differs a bit. Though you gave me my answer. Thanks |
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| 17:55.39 | ghostknife | babilen: I proves it again. debian != ubuntu |
| 17:55.56 | babilen | mreh: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 17:56.32 | babilen | ghostknife: sorry, i know nothing about Ubuntu. Glad that answered your question though |
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| 17:57.08 | mesut_ | bari burada türk olsun taf |
| 17:57.12 | mesut_ | yaf |
| 17:57.14 | babilen | !tr |
| 17:57.14 | dpkg | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 18:01.40 | babilen | mreh: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz explains how to setup wifi with wpa_supplicant . I am not using wicd or n-m so I can' really help you with debugging this. The problem you are facing is that you cannot associate with your access point. Is wpasupplicant installed? |
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| 18:02.13 | mreh | babilen: I did have it running before actually, and it was working then |
| 18:02.20 | babilen | mreh: wicd depends on wpasupplicant ... |
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| 18:02.56 | mreh | babilen: I've given it my wpa key, this is exasperating |
| 18:03.01 | babilen | mreh: you could disable wicd, reload the module for your wireless card and try again with wicd. |
| 18:03.29 | mreh | babilen: kill wicd's process and start it again? |
| 18:03.31 | colton_ | I seem to be missing many fonts (especially foreign ones) on my debian install. (they just appear as which boxes). How do I get these? |
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| 18:03.43 | babilen | mreh: there might also be a wicd log that could give a clue, or some debug options you could give to wicd when you launch it from the command line. |
| 18:04.56 | babilen | colton_: for which languages? check 'aptitude search ~n^xfonts-' for the fonts you could install. 'aptitude search ~n^ttf-' lists ttf and otf fonts |
| 18:06.11 | mreh | babilen: okay i'll do some digging |
| 18:06.28 | parolang` | Okay...I have another problem. For some reason only root can use the flash plugin. Anyone happen to know why? |
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| 18:07.50 | feach | hello, this is ubuntu9.10 server.., yes i asked in #ubuntu first, but nobody seems to attempt to answer, i am having a issue, I am trying to add a route for my 2nd interface to access a private network, but it isn'tworking, any idea's ? http://pastebin.com/m182a7a3a |
| 18:08.14 | babilen | mreh: /etc/init.d/wicd stop && modprobe -r <your_wifi_adaptor_module> && modprobe <your_wifi_adaptor_module> && /etc/init.d/wicd start .. you can then run 'wicd -u <debug options?>' and check the output. also check if there is something like a wicd log in /var/log/ (find /var/log -name wicd) |
| 18:08.27 | babilen | bbl |
| 18:08.49 | feach | works in centos nps |
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| 18:08.56 | PerfDave | feach: Sorry, #debian can't help with Ubuntu problems, becuase Ubuntu is not Debian. |
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| 18:09.21 | feach | maybe somebody uses both |
| 18:09.30 | PerfDave | feach: If they do, they'll be in #ubuntu. |
| 18:09.37 | Justin | feach: your netmask is wrong. |
| 18:09.39 | parolang` | feach: Then they would be in both channels :) |
| 18:10.06 | AimHere | Hello, I'm using Windows Vista, does anyone know why my copy of Office 2009 is segfaulting? I'd ask some windows users, but they know nothing kthx |
| 18:10.34 | bricktop | hi! is there some new location for xorg.conf? i can't find it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (thought that was the usual location). also locate xorg.conf yields nothing... its on a fresh testing amd64 |
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| 18:10.56 | PerfDave | bricktop: Modern xorg doesn't need a config file, so you may not have one. |
| 18:11.04 | AimHere | My amd64 sid has xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 18:11.16 | parolang` | me too |
| 18:11.41 | feach | nm is correct |
| 18:12.12 | Justin | feach: no, it's not. |
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| 18:12.56 | feach | how so |
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| 18:13.36 | PerfDave | Justin: Please don't use #debian to support Ubuntu. |
| 18:13.47 | Justin | oh, i see, hard to read that output |
| 18:13.52 | Justin | PerfDave: i don't see ubuntu |
| 18:13.56 | Justin | i see ip and route commands |
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| 18:14.02 | PerfDave | Justin: feach is running ubuntu |
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| 18:14.26 | feach | im just trying to fix it .. |
| 18:14.46 | Justin | feach: what is 10.252.10.97 ? |
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| 18:15.01 | feach | gw 10.252.10.96/28 is assigned to the port |
| 18:15.04 | PerfDave | feach: That's admirable, but try #ubuntu or #linux. Debian is not Ubuntu, and even if on this occasion there's a generic solution, asking in the wrong distro channel for help is rude. |
| 18:15.13 | feach | err it is the gw, 10.252.10.96/28 is assigned to the port |
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| 18:15.25 | Justin | i know, but what IS it? |
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| 18:15.39 | AimHere | It's an IP address? |
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| 18:16.08 | feach | i'd have to run out and check brb |
| 18:16.57 | feach | cisco 3560g |
| 18:17.03 | Justin | well, whatever it is, I don't think it is setup to actually route traffic between the subnets |
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| 18:17.36 | feach | tested it with centos rescue boot, works fine |
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| 18:18.20 | feach | well thanks thou, apreciate it |
| 18:18.37 | Justin | yeahhh you must have done something to break it then, firewall rules? |
| 18:19.15 | feach | fresh install on both, no rules |
| 18:19.27 | feach | prolly just broken haha |
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| 18:19.59 | ERX0 | hello, |
| 18:20.09 | Justin | ohh, lol |
| 18:20.14 | pozic | How do I configure the default way in which the gnome-automounter mounts external harddrives? |
| 18:20.20 | ERX0 | when aptitude shows {u} next to a package name, what does it mean ? |
| 18:20.34 | ERX0 | he following packages will be REMOVED: acl{u} gnome-audio{u} java-wrappers{u} libasound2-plugins{u} libcommons-cli-java{u} libcommons-lang-java{u} libdns50{u} libempathy-gtk19{u} libempathy23{u} libgmyth0{u} libgmythupnp0{u} libgnome-bluetooth2{u} libgnomekbd3{u} libgraphviz4{u} libgssdp-1.0-1{u} libgupnp-1.0-2{u} libilmbase6{u} liblog4j1.2-java{u} liblog4j1.2-java-gcj{u} libmissioncontrol-client0{u} libmissioncontrol-server |
| 18:20.39 | ERX0 | opps :S |
| 18:20.42 | Justin | feach: sure you're not dropping icmp? |
| 18:20.55 | feach | yep |
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| 18:22.24 | parolang` | Okay, this confuses me. When I aptitude install sun-java6-plugin I expect the java plugin for firefox to work, but it doesn't. What gives? What else do I need to do? |
| 18:22.36 | feach | Justin: if i drop eth0 and make the private gw the default, it works np |
| 18:22.43 | feach | hehe |
| 18:23.27 | parolang` | Hold on...I installed sun-java-plugin instead (what's the difference?) |
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| 18:23.34 | zomGreg | pozic: system>preferences>removable drives and media |
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| 18:24.25 | pozic | zomGreg, I don't have that menu entry. What is the corresponding package? |
| 18:24.27 | PinkFreud | hey, folks. looking for some help with kernel-package in respect to compiling a xen dom0 kernel for amd64. I see that arches/amd64.mk has Xen stanzas, yet make-kpkg is unable to successfully build a kernel package due to the dom0 kernel being a vmlinuz image (as opposed to the standard bzImage). Is there a way to force make-kpkg to choose a specific make config? I'm not adverse to modifying amd64.mk and saving with |
| 18:24.47 | Justin | feach: fire up tcpdump -n -i eth0 and -i eth1 on each box and see what is going on |
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| 18:27.34 | parolang` | okay, cool java works now :) |
| 18:27.35 | zomGreg | pozic: I think it is gnome-volume-manager |
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| 18:29.07 | PinkFreud | er... anyone with kernel-package experience here? I know what needs to be changed, I just need to figure out how to convince make-kpkg to call a specific make config. |
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| 18:31.13 | pozic | PinkFreud, just make menuconfig and make your changes. |
| 18:31.31 | pozic | PinkFreud, then follow instructions per documentation. |
| 18:31.36 | pozic | zomGreg, thanks |
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| 18:33.49 | PinkFreud | pozic: alas, this doesn't work. see above about the dom0 kernel being a compressed vmlinuz executable, and not a standard bootable bzImage. the dom0 patches also change the build target to vmlinuz, which make-kpkg knows nothing about for amd64. |
| 18:33.54 | zomGreg | np |
| 18:34.04 | PinkFreud | er. |
| 18:34.06 | PinkFreud | that was useless. |
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| 18:48.55 | PinkFreud | anyone else with kernel-package experience? :/ |
| 18:49.07 | abrotman | why are you ocmpiling a kernel? xen? |
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| 18:50.31 | PinkFreud | abrotman: the lenny dom0 kernels have some serious issues. I've decided to try creating a package for a newer dom0. |
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| 18:53.25 | PinkFreud | as far as that goes, I've managed to get 2.6.31.9 working as a dom0 using the latest gentooified patches. I was also able to use --override-directory with kernel-package from sid to override the default amd64 make rules. This wasn't ideal, but it did suffice to produce a working kernel package. The issue, though, is that kernel-package in sid drastically changed the infrastructure for building initrd images (probabl |
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| 18:54.43 | PinkFreud | lenny's kernel-package lacks a way to override the kernel-pkg directory structure, so I'm attempting to figure out how to force make-kpkg to use a specific set of make rules. |
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| 18:57.00 | patrick-- | when copying multiple files to a destination where folders already exist, is there a posibillity to preserve the old folders without them beein overwritten and only adding the new folders ? |
| 18:57.14 | patrick-- | + files |
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| 18:59.39 | jmarsden | patrick--: The -n option to cp sounds like it will do what you are looking for? |
| 19:00.37 | patrick-- | its not on the manpage.. |
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| 19:00.57 | jmarsden | It is in mine :) |
| 19:01.22 | patrick-- | does -n preserve the content of the folder and only adds files and folders that differ from the destination? |
| 19:02.22 | patrick-- | cp: invalid option -- n |
| 19:02.37 | patrick-- | ah, its -u |
| 19:02.40 | patrick-- | for update |
| 19:03.03 | jmarsden | Well, that will overwrite older files that already exist... so it's not quite what you asked for. |
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| 19:03.29 | jmarsden | -n is in the man page for cp on a recent Ubuntu box but not on a Debian Lenny box, it must be a recent addition to cp. |
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| 19:04.59 | ERX0 | damn connection! |
| 19:05.03 | rerushg | Well, I'm confused. -n is in my Lenny (no clobber). :) |
| 19:05.13 | ERX0 | did you get what i pasted ? |
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| 19:06.50 | jmarsden | rerushg: Interesting, what does dpkg-query -W coreutils # output on your Lenny system? Mine shows coreutils 6.10-6 |
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| 19:11.56 | bitfox | hi |
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| 19:12.05 | bitfox | i have a strange problem |
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| 19:12.18 | bitfox | hdc not ready for command... ?_? |
| 19:12.54 | jmarsden | bitfox: Is /dev/hdc a hard drive, a CDROM drive, or some other device? Sounds like it is having issues, whatever it is. |
| 19:13.58 | bitfox | jmarsden: is an hard drive... |
| 19:14.16 | bitfox | during the boot all is ok! |
| 19:15.03 | jmarsden | bitfox: Then it may be dying. When does it start being "not ready" ? When you run some particular program?? |
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| 19:15.19 | chops | bitfox: Do you have up-to-date backups? |
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| 19:15.31 | arash | hi |
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| 19:15.58 | bitfox | when I type the halt command... at the end of system string. System crashes and give me a lots of errors: "hdc not ready for command" |
| 19:16.09 | abrotman | 'poweroff' ? |
| 19:16.22 | arash | i cant run AWN in debian testing but i install copmiz fusion and its work fine |
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| 19:16.54 | bitfox | on moment, when the system starts all is ok, if I try to mount the hdc i can read all my files... so all it's ok! |
| 19:17.25 | arash | anybodys know how can i do ? |
| 19:18.14 | bitfox | the problem is during the shutdown process.. in particular at the end of shutdown |
| 19:19.17 | bitfox | It seems not be able to switch off the hdc drive |
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| 19:21.01 | jmarsden | bitfox: I'd make a full backup ASAP, and make backups regularly if you intend to keep using this drive. That's not at all "normal" behaviour. |
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| 19:21.46 | trans | hello |
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| 19:23.06 | trans | i'm installing debian with software raid and there is a note in the documentation that you can't use grub with a software raid device so you either have to use lilo or set up a /boot partition that isn't mirrored, is this true or can it work? |
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| 19:23.30 | bitfox | jmarsden: I have another hard drive connected on secondary with hdc: hdb |
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| 19:23.35 | jhutchins_lt | trans: Lilo works great |
| 19:23.38 | trans | i set up an ubuntu server computer with software raid and i think grub without an issue |
| 19:24.04 | bitfox | jmarsden: also that drive give me the same error... |
| 19:24.09 | trans | jhutchins_lt: except you have to update it when you change kernels (which i forget too often =P) |
| 19:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | trans: Ubuntu uses grub2, which is about twice as complex as the NT bootloader. |
| 19:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | trans: The postinstall script should handle the updates for you. |
| 19:24.40 | trans | jhutchins_lt: but this was 7.04 i think, before they went to grub2 |
| 19:24.47 | bitfox | Jmarsden: both drivers are connected with a raid pci card |
| 19:25.18 | jmarsden | bitfox: Then maybe (VERY maybe) your RAID driver for that controller card has a bug?? |
| 19:25.23 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: The card may be going off-line before the command to shut down the drive. |
| 19:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: What commands have you tried to shut it down? |
| 19:25.47 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt |
| 19:25.55 | trans | on a related note, should i make a raid volume of the swap? |
| 19:26.11 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: yes... may be possible... I use "halt" command |
| 19:26.34 | jmarsden | bitfox: Try using shutdown -h now # instead of halt |
| 19:26.45 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: Try using "shutdown -h now" - there are a couple of options that may run a little bit differently. |
| 19:27.02 | bitfox | jmarsden: ok, I'm trying |
| 19:27.31 | bitfox | jmarsden: one moment |
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| 19:28.11 | WhiteCrow1_ | guys i have probleam plz help me http://pastebin.com/m22adb03d |
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| 19:28.36 | bitfox | jmarsden: the problem persists... |
| 19:28.55 | chops | trans: If you want to keep your system running even during a drive failure, you should use RAID for swap. I generally just use a file on my RAIDed partition for simplicity, but you'll get better performance from a dedicated partition. |
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| 19:29.35 | rgr | why not use a standard swap file? performanc on a par and raided automatically. |
| 19:29.49 | bitfox | jmarsden: more details... [ 1519.356016] hdc: drive not ready for command |
| 19:29.53 | chops | WhiteCrow1_: Checked the BTS? |
| 19:30.27 | WhiteCrow1_ | chops: whats BTS ? |
| 19:30.33 | pipeline | trans, chops : worrying about performance in your swap file misses the point |
| 19:30.42 | WhiteCrow1_ | !dpkg BTS |
| 19:30.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 19:31.13 | jmarsden | bitfox: Then I'd say there is probably something "odd" with the driver for that RAID controller card or its driver software. You could see whether others have had that issue with it too (Google, or search the BTS). |
| 19:31.20 | babilen | !tell WhiteCrow1_ -about selftell |
| 19:31.20 | abrotman | chops: swap is already "raided" |
| 19:31.21 | WhiteCrow1_ | chops: tnx a lot for help |
| 19:31.22 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: what are the further options? |
| 19:31.26 | chops | pipeline: Eh? Why does it miss the point? |
| 19:31.44 | babilen | WhiteCrow1_: which version of debian/awn is this? |
| 19:32.39 | chops | abrotman: Not if you don't RAID it. I had an important system that effectively crashed once because pages swapped to a non-RAID swap volume couldn't be paged back in when that volume failed. |
| 19:32.57 | WhiteCrow1_ | babilen: ok , my debian ver is testing |
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| 19:33.43 | abrotman | chops: yes, it is |
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| 19:33.59 | pipeline | chops: because if you hit swap you're already totally fucked |
| 19:34.05 | pipeline | chops: fastest disks on the market are tens of thousands of times slower than memory |
| 19:34.07 | abrotman | chops: if oyu create two swap partitions on separate drives, it's effectively striped |
| 19:34.14 | bitfox | jmarsden: I'm trying to physically remove an hard drive... |
| 19:34.14 | chops | abrotman: What in the world are you talking about? |
| 19:34.18 | rerushg | marsden: sorry.. got pulled away... you asked abou ' dpkg-query -W coreutils' .... I've got 7.4-2 on both my Lenny and testing boxes |
| 19:34.19 | pipeline | chops: even just sticking RAM on the PCI bus is hundreds of times slower |
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| 19:34.26 | chops | abrotman: Striped, but not necessarily redundant. |
| 19:34.35 | abrotman | chops: who the hell wants redundant swap ? |
| 19:34.48 | chops | abrotman: Someone who doesn't want their programs to fail when a drive fails. |
| 19:34.50 | pipeline | abrotman: he actually has a point here |
| 19:35.00 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: Yeah, I'd check cabling and jumpers, but I'll bet it's the card going down before the drive gets the signal. |
| 19:35.01 | pipeline | abrotman: if you have hotswap hard drives, you want the system to stay up when a drive fails... not just data integrity |
| 19:35.16 | babilen | WhiteCrow1_: ah, right. I remember. Did you reinstall? But check the BTS first or debug the program. Add "import pdb ; pdb.set_trace()" in /usr/share/avant-window-navigator/awn-manager/awnPreferences.py", line 181 |
| 19:35.18 | abrotman | pipeline: turn swap off .. it's not that hard |
| 19:35.20 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt, bitfox : in other words, if this only happens at shutdown, fuckit. |
| 19:35.28 | abrotman | pipeline: or create a file temporarily .. |
| 19:35.44 | chops | abrotman: Turn swap off just before your drive fails. Why not go the whole hog and just replace the drive immediately before it fails? :-) |
| 19:35.47 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: I think the problem is that shutdown hangs and doesn't complete. |
| 19:36.05 | WhiteCrow1_ | babilen: ok tnx again |
| 19:36.14 | babilen | WhiteCrow1_: and as this file is called 'awnPreferences' it might also be due to your configuration. If there is no bug in the BTS about this, file one please because awn should check user input |
| 19:36.22 | abrotman | chops: and when the system tries to access something it thinks might be in RAM/swap, but it's not .. what happens ? |
| 19:36.24 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: yes... I think the same |
| 19:36.24 | DasEi | How do I get the trigger for a hd when it's mounted ? (I want to run a script once I manually mount a hd ) |
| 19:36.37 | chops | abrotman: The process is terminated. Trust me, I know :-( |
| 19:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: Can you do a reboot? "shutdown -r now"? |
| 19:36.46 | abrotman | it goes to disk |
| 19:36.46 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: all cables are on cable select mode |
| 19:37.12 | babilen | WhiteCrow1_: also check the awn bug tracker ... or contact upstream |
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| 19:37.56 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: Great! I remember another detail: with reboot there is no problem! All work fine! |
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| 19:38.09 | abrotman | chops: and you don't just magically replace disks .. you go and do it intentionally, so yes, you could turn off swap before replacing a disk |
| 19:38.13 | chops | pipeline: The fact that swap is slow is very specifically why it may be worth some care to make it go faster. If your swap is contiguous, so you get 10-20 fewer seeks over the course of swapping something big back in, then you just saved around a second from the swap-in time on some drives. |
| 19:38.18 | chops | abrotman: You're really not listening. |
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| 19:38.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, you should be fine just hitting the power switch at that point then, all it's trying to do is spin down the drives. |
| 19:38.28 | chops | abrotman: I'm not talking about replacing a disk. I'm talking about an unscheduled disk failure. |
| 19:38.35 | abrotman | chops: i know what you're saying |
| 19:38.57 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: wow... with an hard drive all is ok!!! the system shutdown perfectly!!! 0_0 |
| 19:38.59 | abrotman | has scheduled disk failures .. only .. the other kind aren't productive .. |
| 19:39.10 | korhojoa | :D |
| 19:39.13 | chops | abrotman: If a page from your heap gets written to swap, and then the drive where it was being stored fails, there's nothing in the world that's going to bring your heap back or keep your program running. |
| 19:40.03 | korhojoa | that's why swap is on a raid 0 volume |
| 19:40.10 | abrotman | that's not what he's saying |
| 19:40.17 | chops | korhojoa: Except that abrotman is recommending _not_ RAIDing swap. |
| 19:40.18 | korhojoa | that's what i have set up |
| 19:40.33 | korhojoa | that's his downfall |
| 19:40.35 | abrotman | he's saying that he keeps his swap space on RAID1 or RAID5 or similar so that if he loses a drive, he believes that the system will keep going |
| 19:40.35 | chops | korhojoa: I _am_ recommending RAIDing swap, based specifically on a bad experience with not doing it that way :-) |
| 19:40.41 | abrotman | chops: it already IS! |
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| 19:40.54 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: I'm thinking that it may be a power supply problem... or not? |
| 19:40.54 | abrotman | chops: it's just .. RAID0 .. so .. SVO "raid" |
| 19:40.56 | korhojoa | raid 1 won't save your disk |
| 19:41.03 | abrotman | korhojoa: not what he's saying either |
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| 19:41.15 | korhojoa | this is all terribly confusing |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | thinks this is going OT |
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| 19:41.56 | pipeline | chops: making swap 20x faster still means it's uselessly, terribly slow. |
| 19:42.06 | pipeline | chops: thrashing swap is an error condition |
| 19:42.10 | abrotman | how is that making it faster ? |
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| 19:42.54 | majk | Hello, I have debian/lenny. Is there any simple way how to disable loading of any module (which is automatically loaded while system is booting) ? I've try to add in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist line like blacklist $NAMEOFMODULE |
| 19:42.56 | chops | pipeline: I'd hate to see you optimize a program. "This part is slow, therefore I shall not make it faster, because it will still be slow. I'm going to optimize the fast parts!" |
| 19:42.59 | chops | pipeline: :-) |
| 19:43.01 | majk | but without success |
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| 19:43.24 | chops | pipeline: Not hitting swap at all is faster, yes. |
| 19:43.29 | pipeline | chops: you misunderstand me |
| 19:43.30 | korhojoa | chops: well, it depends on how slow it is |
| 19:43.35 | pipeline | chops: you should never thrash swap |
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| 19:43.45 | korhojoa | chops: if it's slow for an external reason, then there's no point in trying to optimize it |
| 19:43.47 | pipeline | chops: the only reason that it's even worth it to have adequate swap |
| 19:43.51 | abrotman | putting swap on RAID1/5/6 isn't going to be faster than the RAID0 that swap already is |
| 19:43.52 | pipeline | chops: is to make troubleshooting easier |
| 19:44.02 | pipeline | chops: instead of killing things when they run amok, you can let them run and observe behaviour |
| 19:44.12 | chops | I would love to spend time debating these issues in further details |
| 19:44.18 | pipeline | chops: if you're thrashing swap, having 1% of normal performance or 0.1% doesn't matter |
| 19:44.18 | abrotman | he's running away! |
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| 19:44.41 | korhojoa | the point is, you should not be thrashing swap. get more memory. |
| 19:44.45 | chops | No, I'm getting on an airplane |
| 19:44.51 | korhojoa | :D |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | sure!... |
| 19:44.57 | korhojoa | quick! he's flying away! |
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| 19:45.00 | korhojoa | someone call in a bomb threat |
| 19:45.08 | abrotman | pushes everyone to #debian-offtopic to discuss it further |
| 19:45.10 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: I found the problem... |
| 19:45.37 | chops | pipeline, korhojoa: I can actually agree with that. Figuring out a way to not thrash is probably a better use of time than micro-optimizing your swap layout. |
| 19:45.38 | DasEi | korhojoa: is what I did , set 4 g ram and then lowered swapiness just for 'emergency, never swapped till now |
| 19:45.48 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: it seems to be the most big hard drive 80GB |
| 19:45.56 | pipeline | chops: it's 100% definitely a better use of time |
| 19:46.14 | pipeline | chops: in fact, if you're worried about thrashing, and not willing to find the root problem, it's better to just configure minimal swap and let the OOM killer do its job :) |
| 19:46.38 | chops | abrotman: I remain steadfast in my conviction that not having redundant swap on a system with redundant disks is foolish if your system is important. As I said, I learned this the hard way. |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | chops: #debian-offtopic! |
| 19:47.04 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: during halt process it shows me some "not ready for command" lines and after 20 seconds about the system shutdown! |
| 19:47.07 | chops | abrotman: Heh. Now who's running away? :-) |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | will continue .. but would rather not here |
| 19:47.11 | chops | Okay, cheers everyone. |
| 19:47.15 | abrotman | chops: i'm not.. i'm in that channel |
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| 19:49.44 | jhutchins | bitfox: shouldn't really be a problem then. |
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| 19:50.48 | abrotman | see .. no one actually care s... |
| 19:51.21 | bitfox | jhutchins: but with 2 hd the system doens't shutdown |
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| 19:52.23 | bitfox | jhutchins: What do you think if I try to set the jumpers in master and slave mode for each hd? |
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| 19:52.43 | bitfox | jhutchins: Now they are in cable select mode |
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| 19:58.17 | bitfox | the dvd rom must also be connected on the raid pci card? |
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| 20:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: Shouldn't make any difference as long as the drives are set to CS - provided that you have an actual CS cable. Sometimes people will have mismatched setttings and while controllers can often guess the correct configuration, it sometimes has trouble. |
| 20:02.13 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: The important thing is that the cables and settings match and are correct. |
| 20:02.51 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 20:04.21 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: Does debian usually need manual raid driver installation? |
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| 20:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: Not sure, I don't mess with raid. I consider it to be an additional point of failure. |
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| 20:07.02 | jhutchins_lt | bitfox: However, if it were a driver issue, you wouldn't be accessing the drives. |
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| 20:08.44 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:09.20 | TrueDD | BONNE ANNEE A TOUS |
| 20:09.43 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: you keep talking this nonsense about raid. Al ldrivers are a "point of failure". Why do you keep putting it down so? Its widely recognised as a good and flexible feature for conscientious admins. |
| 20:09.58 | TrueDD | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
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| 20:12.10 | kyoto92 | ciao |
| 20:12.14 | kyoto92 | !list |
| 20:12.14 | dpkg | kyoto92: VATTENE VIA |
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| 20:17.36 | hexicone | anyone have some advice for installing Debian using a USB floppy drive? |
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| 20:17.54 | babilen | !tell hexicone -about usb install |
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| 20:18.01 | ryan-c | hexicone: seriously? |
| 20:18.14 | babilen | hexicone: USB *floppy* ? |
| 20:18.24 | hexicone | my Toshiba Libretto L1 will not boot from a USB flash drive |
| 20:18.41 | hexicone | nor will it boot from a PCMCIA CDROM either |
| 20:18.46 | babilen | hexicone: boot from CD? netboot? |
| 20:18.47 | ryan-c | hexicone: PXE boot would be less painful if it will do that. |
| 20:18.51 | hexicone | no onboqard ethernet |
| 20:18.56 | babilen | wow |
| 20:19.01 | ryan-c | ye gods |
| 20:19.16 | babilen | do you run windows on that machine right now? |
| 20:19.24 | ryan-c | hexicone: You might be able to use etherboot on a usb floppy to netboot via a pcmcia adapter |
| 20:19.34 | hexicone | nope, I have a broken Gentoo on it though |
| 20:19.46 | babilen | broken as in unbootable? |
| 20:19.55 | hexicone | I can get to grub |
| 20:20.33 | babilen | AFAIK there are no floppy images anymore. You could install etch from floppies and upgrade |
| 20:20.37 | ryan-c | can you take the hard drive out and work with it on another system? |
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| 20:20.55 | valdyn | !pxe |
| 20:20.55 | dpkg | [pxe] Pre-boot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <gpxe>. |
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| 20:21.06 | babilen | valdyn: no NIC |
| 20:21.09 | macman_ | if you guys don't mind .. trying to get a folder on my hdd with mp3's to a cd+r and i want to play it in my car .. is there a command line string that will help me with this |
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| 20:21.25 | hexicone | yeah, I suppose that would be the best option |
| 20:21.37 | abrotman | macman_: ask the channel for your distro ? |
| 20:21.44 | nsadmin | macman_: does your car play mp3s |
| 20:22.13 | ryan-c | hexicone: do you have pcmcia ethernet? |
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| 20:22.36 | hexicone | yes I do have a D-link PCMCIA ethernet card |
| 20:22.37 | abrotman | hexicone: how broken is the gentoo ? |
| 20:22.50 | ryan-c | hexicone: know what driver it uses? |
| 20:22.58 | macman_ | abrotman, do you mind if i ask in here ? |
| 20:23.00 | hexicone | actually it seems that in choosing an older kernel it boots |
| 20:23.12 | abrotman | macman_: ask the channel for your distro, if they cannot help you, try ##linux |
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| 20:23.20 | babilen | !tell hexicone -about debootstrap |
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| 20:23.21 | hexicone | I am at the login prompt now.... |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | i'm not sure why we have to keep going over this with you ... |
| 20:23.25 | backpackzakattak | hey guys |
| 20:23.30 | hexicone | I'l hunt it down |
| 20:23.47 | ryan-c | hexicone: http://rom-o-matic.net/ if you want to try the pxe boot |
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| 20:24.13 | hexicone | I quite sure it wont PXE from the PCMCIA ethernet card... |
| 20:24.15 | ryan-c | abrotman: You know he's on a different distro from past experience? |
| 20:24.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:24.44 | ryan-c | hexicone: it should be able to with a pxe boot floppy |
| 20:24.59 | hexicone | it's a BIOS thing with these damn Toshibas, they're "legacy free" (?) I think is the term? |
| 20:25.13 | ryan-c | yeah |
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| 20:25.21 | hexicone | no accessable BIOS config screen in other words |
| 20:25.31 | abrotman | hexicone: not even with a floppy? |
| 20:25.35 | babilen | pxe would entail setting up tftp et al though ... quite some work if you do it for the first time |
| 20:25.46 | hexicone | nope, I suck nano-balls |
| 20:25.46 | ryan-c | so etherboot can use a boot floppy to trigger pxe booting even if the card/bios does not support pxe |
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| 20:25.59 | hexicone | I meant IT sucks nano-balls ha ha |
| 20:26.27 | hexicone | oh ok rayn |
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| 20:26.43 | babilen | hexicone: try debootstrap from your gentoo installation or remove the hdd from your laptop and install from a different machine |
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| 20:27.03 | nsadmin | I have kde... is it possible to have jack either as the main audio replacing artsd or output connected to artsd? |
| 20:27.03 | hexicone | yeah, that seems like the best option |
| 20:27.04 | ryan-c | I have a couple of older soekris systems around and the options for installing debian on them are PXE boot or pull the drive out and use debootstrap and external grub install voodoo |
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| 20:27.15 | ryan-c | you already have grub which is the hard part :p |
| 20:27.34 | ryan-c | the pxe boot isn't too bad. |
| 20:27.46 | ryan-c | maybe that's cause i've done it before though :p |
| 20:27.50 | hexicone | will there an issue of re-partitioning the drive using the debootstrap method babilen? |
| 20:27.57 | nsadmin | and that grub may be fragile if the stage2 is in a partition |
| 20:27.59 | babilen | you have to setup the tftp/dhcp server on a second machine though |
| 20:28.25 | backpackzakattak | hey guys - done a lot of googling man'ing , removing of config files etc but apache2 still doesn't load php5-mysql properly under lenny |
| 20:28.30 | backpackzakattak | did a dist upgrade from etch |
| 20:28.56 | babilen | can't we do something like the goodbye-windows method, but from the gentoo system. something like starting the installer with the working grub? |
| 20:29.01 | nsadmin | hexicone, do you have unpartitioned space? |
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| 20:29.10 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: the problem was created by 80GB hd |
| 20:29.18 | backpackzakattak | i keep getting Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() i |
| 20:29.41 | backpackzakattak | and i've removed all /etc files for apache, php, mysql etc and dpkg-purged them and re-installed |
| 20:29.46 | hexicone | I can make unpartitioned space |
| 20:29.48 | babilen | as in: place the image on the harddrive and start it from grub? |
| 20:29.54 | backpackzakattak | with the package maintainer-s version of the files |
| 20:29.57 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: Now, I'm sure, because without it all is ok |
| 20:30.05 | nsadmin | backpackzakattak: it looks like the appropriate mysql lib isn't installed |
| 20:30.08 | backpackzakattak | has anyone here had the same problem? |
| 20:30.09 | backpackzakattak | aah |
| 20:30.11 | hexicone | I can torch home usr/local and opt partitions |
| 20:30.18 | NiLon | backpackzakattak install and enable mysql extension, tho it's considered deprecated |
| 20:30.26 | backpackzakattak | hmmm |
| 20:30.31 | ryan-c | hexicone: do you have a seperate /boot? |
| 20:30.32 | backpackzakattak | mysqli ? |
| 20:30.43 | NiLon | backpackzakattak that or more prefered is pdo |
| 20:30.53 | hexicone | yes I have a small boot partition of 60Megs I think |
| 20:31.00 | backpackzakattak | yeah, i just need to get it up temporarily until i migrate to a new box |
| 20:31.10 | backpackzakattak | i'm going to do a fresh lenny install on another box and migrate the data |
| 20:31.21 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: were you here earlier asking about this ? |
| 20:31.26 | nsadmin | hexicone: that's probably where your grub stage2 is stored and read from on boot |
| 20:31.29 | backpackzakattak | no.... |
| 20:31.33 | backpackzakattak | maybe someone else had the same problem |
| 20:31.44 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: if you put a phpinfo() in a php script and look at it .. do you see the mysql extensions ? |
| 20:31.50 | backpackzakattak | no, they are not there |
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| 20:32.01 | abrotman | and php5-mysql is installed ? |
| 20:32.03 | NiLon | backpackzakattak but as php is saying that, it does mean that mysql extension isn't loaded up, that could be that it's making error at start so at php.ini enable startup errors and check your logs |
| 20:32.04 | backpackzakattak | yes |
| 20:32.10 | backpackzakattak | and i dpkg-purged it as well |
| 20:32.11 | backpackzakattak | aaah ok |
| 20:32.13 | backpackzakattak | going to do that now |
| 20:32.15 | babilen | hexicone: hang on |
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| 20:32.17 | genoobie | okay |
| 20:32.26 | abrotman | okay? |
| 20:32.32 | genoobie | I installed debian + LXDE and I liked that environment |
| 20:32.40 | abrotman | and hten you broke it? |
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| 20:32.45 | genoobie | I couldn't get sound to work b/c of kernel + alsa issues |
| 20:32.53 | genoobie | so I switched to archlinux |
| 20:33.01 | babilen | hexicone: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 20:33.09 | abrotman | kind of like breaking it ... |
| 20:33.11 | NiLon | backpackzakattak or if there's no error, then you simply didn't add it to extension list :p |
| 20:33.36 | abrotman | NiLon: it's supposed to be automagic in /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.conf or something like that |
| 20:33.46 | genoobie | I'm trying to figure out if it was KDM or GDM or what display manager was present to handle the logging in / out in X |
| 20:33.57 | NiLon | abrotman mysql.ini most likely |
| 20:34.00 | backpackzakattak | hm, there is no file /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.conf |
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| 20:34.04 | backpackzakattak | or mysql.ini |
| 20:34.16 | backpackzakattak | etc/php5/conf.d# ls |
| 20:34.17 | backpackzakattak | curl.ini gd.ini imagick.ini mcrypt.ini mhash.ini pdo.ini pdo_sqlite.ini pspell.ini snmp.ini sqlite.ini xmlrpc.ini xsl.ini |
| 20:34.24 | NiLon | really doesn't matter where you put that extension=mysql.so line |
| 20:34.34 | genoobie | how can I find out which packages would have been in the netinstall CD |
| 20:34.38 | NiLon | that filename can be anything as it does load every ini file in that conf.d directory |
| 20:34.41 | backpackzakattak | and i tried a2enmod |
| 20:34.45 | NiLon | or it can be put directly into php.ini |
| 20:34.48 | backpackzakattak | and it says mysql doesn't exist |
| 20:34.55 | NiLon | apache got nothing to do with it so it doesn't matter |
| 20:34.57 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: aptitude reinstall -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" php5-mysql |
| 20:34.58 | genoobie | and what would have been loaded if I picked LXDE + debian |
| 20:35.14 | jaggz- | i have two dying drives (or maybe just one) in a fake-raid mirror (500gb). i have a 650gb drive I need to back it up onto and I was thinking I could just dd the 500gb drive (all partitions) to the 650, leaving everything the same size and such.. is this okay? |
| 20:35.21 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:35.22 | jaggz- | or what would you recommend, rather |
| 20:35.23 | babilen | hexicone: I would say, that this is the best option ... download the necessary files and let grub start the installer |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | genoobie: probably gdm or xdm .. was it blue? or grayish ? |
| 20:35.36 | genoobie | yeah, like a blue / aqua blue |
| 20:35.39 | Posterdati | please, is my disk about to fail? sd 0:0:1:0: [sda] ABORT operation started |
| 20:35.42 | backpackzakattak | thx will try that |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | genoobie: probably gdm |
| 20:36.24 | hexicone | okay I'll read up on it /babilen |
| 20:36.28 | genoobie | abrotman, thanks man, appreciate the help |
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| 20:36.43 | babilen | hexicone: which grub version is installed on that machine? |
| 20:36.50 | genoobie | I didn't mean to give up on debian, but trying to patch the kernel proved to beyond my skill / time limits at this point |
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| 20:37.54 | backpackzakattak | aha it's making the conf files |
| 20:38.40 | babilen | hexicone: and do you want to install x86 or amd64 ? |
| 20:38.41 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: is that better for you ? |
| 20:39.02 | backpackzakattak | wow guys thanks a lot that fixed it |
| 20:39.07 | backpackzakattak | i am going to have to do a blog post on that one |
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| 20:39.28 | hexicone | it'll be a x86 install |
| 20:39.31 | backpackzakattak | the upgrade from etch to lenny apparently broke that |
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| 20:39.41 | backpackzakattak | didn't carry over the conf.d files properly |
| 20:39.55 | backpackzakattak | maybe I can file a bug somewhere... |
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| 20:40.27 | Evans | anyone uses feedburner ? |
| 20:40.35 | babilen | hexicone: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ <-- files which you need to put in /boot/newinstall |
| 20:40.37 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: it shouldn't have broken it at all .. |
| 20:40.47 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: IOW .. it owuld have been reported long before this |
| 20:41.22 | Evans | .... |
| 20:42.05 | abrotman | dots :( |
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| 20:42.37 | babilen | Evans: I would think so ... |
| 20:42.40 | backpackzakattak | possible i had and 'unsupported' config :P |
| 20:43.01 | backpackzakattak | now time to turn off my error display |
| 20:43.02 | Evans | babilen huh? |
| 20:43.10 | abrotman | that someone uses it |
| 20:43.22 | Evans | well my question is |
| 20:43.29 | babilen | ah! |
| 20:44.09 | Evans | with feedburner you can generate feeds at now with the shortER http://goo.gl |
| 20:44.09 | hexicone | okay thanks babilen |
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| 20:44.32 | Evans | how i can Adsense that feeds ? |
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| 20:44.34 | babilen | Evans: so? |
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| 20:45.49 | babilen | hexicone: does it work? |
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| 20:46.03 | Evans | i'll try to register in adsense but say me One web tu put and iam generating for a lot of RSS |
| 20:46.20 | Evans | what web i put into adsense? |
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| 20:46.33 | babilen | Evans: Sorry, i might have missed that part, but in why is this related to Debian? |
| 20:46.45 | babilen | s/in// |
| 20:47.05 | Evans | not related to debian exactly |
| 20:47.14 | backpackzakattak | though, it looks like i have to have this line in my vhost config |
| 20:47.14 | backpackzakattak | AddHandler php5-script php |
| 20:47.20 | backpackzakattak | or the script doesn't load |
| 20:47.23 | hexicone | sorry, give me five minutes, I was sidetracked |
| 20:47.26 | Evans | in freenode i didn't see a channel specialized lol |
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| 20:48.03 | babilen | hexicone: take your time - i was just curious (don't fuck your grub!) |
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| 20:48.38 | hexicone | just need to get the wireless working so I can get the files...... |
| 20:48.58 | abrotman | backpackzakattak: you sohldn't have to do that anymore |
| 20:49.22 | backpackzakattak | hmm..i wonder if i have to put it in apache2.conf ? |
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| 20:50.24 | abrotman | how is it that you knew the php5 mysql extensions were missing before if php wasn't working at all ? |
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| 20:51.27 | backpackzakattak | well, php was working |
| 20:51.29 | backpackzakattak | but mysql wasn't |
| 20:51.37 | backpackzakattak | at first php wasn't working at all until i put those in |
| 20:51.58 | backpackzakattak | it was forcing firefox to download an application-x-httpd file |
| 20:52.02 | backpackzakattak | application-x-php |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | sounds like you messed up something .. i did a few etch->lenny machines, and hadn't had to do that |
| 20:52.20 | backpackzakattak | oh, yes, i am sure something got messed up |
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| 20:52.33 | backpackzakattak | just couldn't figure out quite what it was |
| 20:52.38 | Stylles | Hi |
| 20:52.46 | backpackzakattak | i am going to later backup the web files and db and do a clean install |
| 20:52.55 | backpackzakattak | just don't have time to do now and hacking it back together |
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| 20:53.03 | backpackzakattak | temporary |
| 20:53.22 | Stylles | anyone know how to resolve this error on cpan |
| 20:53.41 | Stylles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.41 | Stylles | Running make install |
| 20:53.41 | Stylles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.08 | backpackzakattak | kernel got messed up too, the new xen kernels put it in an endless reboot cycle |
| 20:54.21 | backpackzakattak | crashes hard |
| 20:54.27 | backpackzakattak | so i'm in recovery kernel now |
| 20:54.30 | backpackzakattak | with no guests |
| 20:55.11 | DasEi | How do I get the trigger for a hd when it's mounted ? (I want to run a script once I manually mount a hd ) |
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| 20:57.15 | nsadmin | how would I go about getting jack to start on boot, and users have permission to connect? |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | jack or jackd ? |
| 20:57.35 | nsadmin | well jackd |
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| 20:58.17 | Posterdati | please how can I scan a scsi hd for errors? |
| 20:58.19 | nsadmin | is that even possible? or does jack have to start as user? |
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| 20:59.51 | nsadmin | So at the moment I'm trying to start jack with qjackctl, and getting... |
| 21:00.02 | nsadmin | 12:59:20.148 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info. |
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| 21:00.36 | nsadmin | 12:59:18.426 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256. |
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| 21:01.20 | nsadmin | oh, got it: the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again |
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| 21:01.48 | nsadmin | that's strange tho, I killed off artsd |
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| 21:04.01 | nsadmin | judd versions noatun |
| 21:04.02 | judd | nsadmin: noatun -- etch: 4:3.5.5-2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo.1 lenny: 4:3.5.9-2 |
| 21:04.11 | adb | tho need to reinstall , for now numeric pad act as arrows keys |
| 21:04.27 | babilen | adb: ? |
| 21:04.34 | LJR | Hey, I'm looking for the non-free repo for my wireless card. It's ipw3945 |
| 21:04.44 | babilen | !non-free |
| 21:04.44 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:04.48 | valdyn | LJR: you dont need an extra repo for that card |
| 21:05.03 | valdyn | LJR: its already supported. |
| 21:05.10 | babilen | valdyn: you'll need firmware-linux IIRC |
| 21:05.12 | LJR | It's not working |
| 21:05.14 | abrotman | he needs the firmware |
| 21:05.19 | valdyn | yea |
| 21:05.28 | abrotman | !tell LJR about non-free |
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| 21:05.54 | ravenbird | non-free is 0 |
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| 21:06.15 | abrotman | ravenbird: don't talk out of turn |
| 21:06.17 | ravenbird | abrotman: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:06.18 | babilen | ravenbird: go home :-) |
| 21:06.20 | ravenbird | babilen: Bugger all, I dunno. |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's being weird .. |
| 21:06.33 | adb | babilen, yes i move the mouse pointer w/ numeric pad , as up (North)is 8, down (South)2, N-W is 7, |
| 21:06.45 | abrotman | LJR: and the package is firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:06.48 | adb | aso |
| 21:06.52 | simonrvn | sorry.. i'll fix that in a sec |
| 21:07.29 | LJR | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 21:07.30 | bluesceada | ok just a question to all, i was told it would be more secure to run sid than testing |
| 21:07.35 | bluesceada | really? |
| 21:07.48 | bluesceada | (or rather, use sidux then) |
| 21:07.48 | abrotman | bluesceada: who told you that ? |
| 21:07.53 | bluesceada | sidux people ;D |
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| 21:08.15 | babilen | LJR: which debian version is this? |
| 21:08.20 | LJR | 5.0.3 |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | bluesceada: we have no idea if sidux is more secure than Debian/testing .. you'd have to ask them .. /msg dpkg testing security |
| 21:08.30 | backpackzakattak | well thanks guys have a happy new year and good afternoon |
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| 21:08.35 | abrotman | FWIW there aren't a lot of fixes in there |
| 21:08.41 | abrotman | !tell bluesceada about tracker of doom |
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| 21:08.58 | bluesceada | abrotman: yeh they dont add much .. they told me that even the normal sid would be |
| 21:08.59 | abrotman | bluesceada: if you value the system and the data on it, i wouldn't consider unstable to be a good thing to use |
| 21:09.02 | babilen | LJR: have you added non-free to your sources and ran 'aptitude update' ? |
| 21:09.06 | abrotman | bluesceada: but it's not Debian |
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| 21:09.11 | hexicone | still reading about debootstrapping... |
| 21:09.16 | babilen | !tell LJR -about non-free sources |
| 21:09.29 | bluesceada | ok just the question, is sid or testing a better idea? as security fixes come later to testing |
| 21:09.37 | babilen | hexicone: why don't you try the 'use grub to boot the installer'-method? |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | bluesceada: if security matters, you wouldn't use either |
| 21:09.46 | nsadmin | noatun was running, artsd killed off... how would I find out what process has stranglehold on my alsa pcms? |
| 21:09.47 | valdyn | bluesceada: sid is unreliable by definition |
| 21:09.48 | LJR | The next person to send me that will get Windows installed on the system. o.o |
| 21:09.58 | valdyn | bluesceada: security fixes coming to it sooner does not mean that its more secure |
| 21:10.01 | bluesceada | abrotman: ok, just .. notebook security |
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| 21:10.16 | bluesceada | i was told that testing is mainly also just a playground for the further stable |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | LJR: on my system ? |
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| 21:10.23 | bluesceada | hmh |
| 21:10.24 | abrotman | bluesceada: hardly a playground |
| 21:10.33 | bluesceada | yeh I also guess so |
| 21:11.02 | bluesceada | thing is, I want to have more recent versions of some software and I am so running testing and some sid packages |
| 21:11.19 | nsadmin | bluesceada: moreorless... I'd say more of a testing facility |
| 21:11.20 | hexicone | sorry I guess I was misunderstanding babilen |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | bluesceada: right, but if security is your main consideration, then testing/unstable are not the answer |
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| 21:11.46 | LJR | abrotman: lol - i've got like five of those messages up across my screen |
| 21:11.47 | bluesceada | abrotman: it isnt, but a part of it |
| 21:11.59 | bluesceada | abrotman: it's also the "it works at all" part |
| 21:12.06 | abrotman | LJR: yeah .. but on my box? i'd like to see that |
| 21:12.13 | LJR | Why is that? |
| 21:12.15 | abrotman | bluesceada: and unstable gets broken .. |
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| 21:12.17 | babilen | hexicone: I gave you a link which explains a method to start the installer with the grub you have installed. You won't need to debootstrap and it would work exactly as if you were booting from the installation disk .. |
| 21:12.19 | abrotman | LJR: from where you are .. |
| 21:12.27 | nsadmin | bluesceada: then you have a mixed system... and the results of that are not so predictable |
| 21:12.28 | bluesceada | abrotman: but kde 4.3.4 is probably more stable than 4.3.2 |
| 21:12.30 | abrotman | bluesceada: sidux is NOT debian .. |
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| 21:12.43 | bluesceada | and kopete is really broken in 4.3.2 e.g. |
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| 21:12.50 | babilen | hexicone: I have not done that before and i think you'll also need to put the netinstall ISO to /boot/newinstall .. |
| 21:12.58 | LJR | abrotman: Maybe I got those made hacker skills like Mr. T off WoW. |
| 21:12.58 | bluesceada | abrotman: i know, he was also telling me about sid-only (not sidux) |
| 21:13.02 | abrotman | bluesceada: except that the kde in debian/testing has already gotten a pile of fixes, etc that maybe just made it to the kde upstream |
| 21:13.09 | abrotman | LJR: yeah .. something like that |
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| 21:13.19 | simonrvn | he won't do that again |
| 21:13.21 | Darkedge | im upgrading to Debian testing except I can't seem to get the installer to work, When I run it, I get "Unable to mount CD" |
| 21:13.37 | abrotman | bluesceada: use what you want .. i wouldn't recommend unstable to anyone that is asking these types of questions .. it breaks way too severely for a normal person to use |
| 21:13.42 | bluesceada | abrotman: yeh but still the testing version of kopete crashes all the time when trying to configure it |
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| 21:13.54 | abrotman | bluesceada: maybe your problem is KDE .. not testing ? |
| 21:14.04 | bluesceada | abrotman: i used gentoo ~x86 some years |
| 21:14.08 | abrotman | so? |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | what does your gentoo ability have to do with Debian ? |
| 21:14.25 | bluesceada | nothing, but i am used to broken stuff ;D |
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| 21:14.36 | abrotman | it doesn't mean you're able to fix it |
| 21:14.54 | abrotman | if oyu're going to come in here whining about unstable being broken, we might just laugh at you |
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| 21:15.09 | Darkedge | Any ideas? -_- |
| 21:15.13 | bluesceada | anyway, i was told that using unstable would give me less problems than testing, so there are multiple people giving multiple advices |
| 21:15.18 | bluesceada | i just wanted your view |
| 21:15.26 | abrotman | bluesceada: that's wrong, flat out wrong |
| 21:15.28 | bluesceada | ("debian people") |
| 21:15.49 | bluesceada | i am running testing/unstable since some time and just have minor issues and most easy to fix.. |
| 21:15.52 | abrotman | bluesceada: let me give you an example |
| 21:16.00 | abrotman | bluesceada: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 |
| 21:16.24 | abrotman | !ben break |
| 21:16.24 | dpkg | "Woody is unstable. If you currently enjoy a problem free system, and have no specific reason for using woody, I suggest you stick with potato. There may not be any problems now (there might be, but I don't know all of the details), but sooner or later shit will hit the fan. If you don't know enough about system recovery, you may be screwed." -- Ben Collins, debian-sparc, 7-Dec-2000 |
| 21:16.33 | abrotman | obviously, that's old, but it still applies |
| 21:16.44 | tensorpudding | wow, woody was around in 2000? |
| 21:17.03 | abrotman | tensorpudding: as unstable, it released in 2002 |
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| 21:17.08 | abrotman | released as stable |
| 21:17.09 | bluesceada | abrotman: nice stuff :D |
| 21:17.12 | tensorpudding | ah |
| 21:17.12 | bluesceada | ok |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | bluesceada: does that help you? i'm sure if i looked i could find the bug where PAM was broken and no one could login |
| 21:17.51 | tensorpudding | i first used debian as sarge, while woody was still arond in 2005 |
| 21:18.05 | bluesceada | yes also needed to fix fun stuff like that, but oh well, then I just keep using what i was |
| 21:18.10 | bluesceada | and trying to get kde from unstable.. |
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| 21:18.19 | bluesceada | end of discussion, thanks for your opinion |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | bluesceada: maybe you should ask #debian-kde on OFTC how you can help |
| 21:18.31 | bluesceada | okay |
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| 21:18.49 | bluesceada | really much people in #debian-kde |
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| 21:19.02 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 21:20.05 | mreh | I can't get DHCP to work on my wireless :( |
| 21:20.39 | bluesceada | abrotman: ah, ok, ... |
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| 21:21.32 | colton_ | What is the difference between a public slot and a private slot? |
| 21:21.39 | mreh | I have no idea how to troubleshoot the problem either, the GUI wicd connects but my routing table is empty |
| 21:21.41 | colton_ | Is there such a thing as a private vs public signal? |
| 21:22.16 | babilen | colton_: what? |
| 21:22.18 | abrotman | colton_: referring to what? |
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| 21:23.45 | colton_ | Oh, sorry, wrong channel. meant to post in Qt. |
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| 21:28.10 | knightsilver | excuse me, what is ' byte compiling' ? and does it offer some benefit to modules? |
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| 21:30.36 | zamba | has aumix been replaced by some other console based sound mixer? |
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| 21:30.47 | zamba | i need a mixer for oss |
| 21:30.55 | zamba | no alsa or anything like that |
| 21:30.56 | AimHere | Byte-compiling is turning your script, like a perl or elisp program, into a sortof bogus-executable binary file, which can be run by some sort of virtual machine program, like the perl program, or, say, emacs. It speeds up the execution of whatever-it-is by not having to compile it at runtime. |
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| 21:32.00 | pipeline | zamba: aumix is still in debian |
| 21:32.11 | zamba | pipeline: when i try to open it up, i only see two lines |
| 21:32.15 | zamba | Vol and Spkr |
| 21:32.22 | zamba | instead of all those controls i used to see |
| 21:32.24 | pipeline | zamba: maybe your oss device only has two mixer doowhatsits |
| 21:32.38 | pipeline | zamba: or maybe you actually have alsa running, and aumix is manipulating the fake mixer |
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| 21:32.58 | zamba | looks like something has changed between 2.6.18 and 2.6.26 |
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| 21:34.25 | zamba | and the output seems to be routed the wrong way as well.. |
| 21:34.26 | trans | hi |
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| 21:34.57 | trans | is there a list anywhere of the packages that are installed when you select options in the "software selection" step of the install? |
| 21:35.38 | konr | Guys, I had package foo installed, with dependencies bar and baz. I've deleted foo with dpkg, but I want to keep bar and baz, which will be removed next time I use aptitude. Is there a way to keep them, besides grepping their names and doing aptitude install with each? |
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| 21:36.48 | pierre_le | konr, apt-get remove don't remove dependencies |
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| 21:37.01 | AimHere | Of course, this channel would normally tell you not to use apt-get |
| 21:37.28 | AimHere | Precisely because it wouldn't remove those dependencies |
| 21:38.04 | CellKill | konr, in the end you'll still need to install them otherwise youll be warned about them being removed |
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| 21:38.46 | konr | CellKill: so grepping their names and manually installing them is the only way? |
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| 21:39.55 | abrotman | !tell konr about unmarkauto |
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| 21:40.02 | abrotman | again ... |
| 21:40.17 | planet8 | I am looking for a lan messenger for Debian, any recommendations? |
| 21:40.37 | abrotman | for workstations or like actual IM clients ? |
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| 21:43.00 | planet8 | abrotman, just something simple between 2 or more pc's on a lan, not a IM client like kopete. |
| 21:43.33 | abrotman | planet8: a conversation or a one way tihng ? |
| 21:43.40 | abrotman | judd: info talkd --release lenny |
| 21:43.41 | planet8 | conversation |
| 21:43.41 | judd | abrotman: talkd (net): is optional; Version: 0.17-13; Size: 17.2k; Installed: 52k -- Remote user communication server |
| 21:43.53 | abrotman | use talk/talkd |
| 21:44.01 | planet8 | thanks |
| 21:44.37 | alon | konr: you can group-mark them as manually installed on the preview page in aptitude |
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| 21:46.03 | konr | thanks guys! |
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| 21:55.25 | knightsilver | AimHere: ok thanks |
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| 22:06.26 | cusco_ | hi |
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| 22:07.01 | cusco_ | I used to be able to: rename blabla bla blabla-* |
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| 22:07.09 | cusco_ | now I can't |
| 22:07.19 | cusco_ | rename what whatever where |
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| 22:08.39 | Tramp | why not? |
| 22:08.46 | cusco_ | well |
| 22:09.17 | cusco_ | Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 1) line 1, near "2010.BLAH" |
| 22:09.23 | cusco_ | syntax error |
| 22:09.32 | simonrvn | use quoting... |
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| 22:10.34 | cusco_ | hm |
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| 22:10.58 | cusco_ | goes teh same way |
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| 22:11.54 | simonrvn | what are you typing, doing? |
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| 22:12.47 | cusco_ | ok let me paste |
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| 22:13.10 | cusco_ | you're not going to like the files Im handling tho :P |
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| 22:13.22 | phil01234 | Hello! Could somebody help a newbee? :( |
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| 22:13.25 | hexicone | babilen, could I burn the iso onto a disk as opposed to copying it to /boot? |
| 22:14.09 | babilen | hexicone: i thought you couldn't boot from a cd |
| 22:14.11 | cusco_ | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/55386/ |
| 22:14.33 | babilen | hexicone: what is the problem with the /boot - approach? |
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| 22:15.10 | hexicone | no it can't, but once I get the kernel loaded, I thought I could install the Debian system from the normal CD |
| 22:15.23 | babilen | hexicone: I have not tried it before, but remembered that i read about it in the install guide. And it looked like a perfect fit |
| 22:15.30 | phil01234 | nobody? |
| 22:15.30 | hexicone | it's just an issue of getting the PCMCIA ATAPI driver started |
| 22:15.45 | babilen | phil01234: ask a question |
| 22:16.00 | prince_jammys | cusco_: debian's rename is prename, a perl program that uses different syntax for substitution. |
| 22:16.14 | cusco_ | prince_jammys: it didn't use to back in sarge |
| 22:16.26 | prince_jammys | cusco_: a la: rename 's/pattern/replacement/' foo* |
| 22:16.33 | cusco_ | I would do a simple "rename what whatever wherever" |
| 22:16.37 | babilen | hexicone: I don't know. I would try the method outlined in the install guide that explains how to boot the installer with grub from your hdd |
| 22:16.46 | cusco_ | hmm |
| 22:16.56 | cusco_ | ok.. |
| 22:17.31 | prince_jammys | cusco_: careful that the dot in your pattern will mean "any character" unless escaped |
| 22:17.35 | hexicone | here it goes.... |
| 22:17.48 | prince_jammys | rename 's/fooey\.bar\.baz/nasa/' filepattern* |
| 22:18.19 | prince_jammys | cusco_: check the manual. you can do a dry-run with ''-n'' |
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| 22:18.50 | phil01234 | babilen: Thank you! I have a big problem, I got to learn a server with Debian on it. But since Christmas crazy people try to log in via SSH, then I changed the port and installed fail2ban but last Monday, somebody came in over lighttpd and made "su" from nobody and www-data. My brother fixed this but he didn't worked very clean and know a cronjob opens and closes a root session every 17 minutes, is that normal? You can laught, I' |
| 22:19.09 | cusco_ | Substitution replacement not terminated at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 22:19.27 | prince_jammys | missing trailing slash, likely |
| 22:20.23 | abrotman | phil01234: it might be normal |
| 22:20.33 | prince_jammys | cusco_: make sure to use -n before catastrophe. |
| 22:20.46 | cusco_ | prince_jammys: right |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | phil01234: you can look in the crontabs |
| 22:21.05 | cusco_ | thanks |
| 22:21.05 | phil01234 | abrotman: There is run-parts, is that from Debian? |
| 22:21.17 | babilen | phil01234: that does not sound good. Run chkrootkit and rkhunter .. What is that cronjob? Have a look at the crontab .. |
| 22:21.19 | abrotman | that's part of it .. |
| 22:21.27 | abrotman | there's also /var/spool/cron |
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| 22:22.53 | hexicone | the installer is being leotarded |
| 22:23.15 | hexicone | not detecting hard drives, WTF? |
| 22:23.38 | phil01234 | babilen, abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8e8116f1/ |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | right .. okay, so what's the problem ? |
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| 22:24.45 | phil01234 | babilen, abrotman: Is that normal that the server do this? I mean open, close, open, close a root-session? And this run-parts, is that a standard thing? |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:25.31 | abrotman | though mine only happens hourly |
| 22:25.32 | abrotman | i think |
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| 22:25.57 | cusco_ | update-alternatives --list rename - points to /usr/bin/prename - how can I find what else provides rename? |
| 22:26.18 | abrotman | phil01234: you can check the other crontasks in /var/spool/cron |
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| 22:27.12 | phil01234 | abrotman: in /var/spool/cron/crontab/root is only something from webmin: http://paste.debian.net/55389/ |
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| 22:28.21 | abrotman | well, i don't use webmin (nor endorse) so i can't say if that's right or not |
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| 22:29.22 | phil01234 | ok, webmin was on the server and I don't use it :( |
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| 22:31.39 | phil01234 | abrotman: chkrootkit didn't find anything |
| 22:32.18 | abrotman | phil01234: in reality .. if you think it was actually compromised .. you should get a known-good backup and wipe the machine and reinstall |
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| 22:32.51 | phil01234 | abrotman: Delete everything and install it completly new? |
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| 22:34.37 | hexicone | babilen: do you think I can access the debian-503-i386-netinst.iso from CD using the GRUB boot method? |
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| 22:34.54 | hexicone | there's not enought space on my boot partition for it |
| 22:35.07 | babilen | hexicone: i am not sure and kinda busy over at OFTC .. ask everybody |
| 22:35.15 | hexicone | 10-4 |
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| 22:35.23 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 22:35.31 | phil01234 | abrotman: is there no other way? Because I think my provider has to set it up new :/ |
| 22:35.33 | HardDisk_WP | can I mount a ext3 partition totally forensic? |
| 22:35.40 | HardDisk_WP | No bit may be changed in any way |
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| 22:41.28 | macrobat | HardDisk_WP: if you mount it as ext3, maybe the journal will be changed |
| 22:41.49 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: The safest way is probably to boot into a forensics-oriented LiveCD (Helix, maybe) and use that to access the ext3 partition in question, make an image copy and associated checksums, etc... then work on the image not the original. |
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| 22:42.10 | babilen | hexicone: just place the files from hd-media in /boot/newinstall/ along with the netinstall ISO ... see what happens (i have not done that before, but it's worth a try) |
| 22:42.23 | Troc_ | hello, |
| 22:42.27 | Troc_ | http://pastebin.com/d51f925f9 |
| 22:42.35 | Troc_ | yes or no? |
| 22:42.38 | Troc_ | safe or not ? |
| 22:43.16 | HardDisk_WP | jmarsden, not applicable. what i want to do is check the partition for changes at boot |
| 22:43.25 | abrotman | Troc_: which version of debian is that ? |
| 22:43.25 | HardDisk_WP | only then, if it's unchecked, chroot into it |
| 22:43.32 | Troc_ | squeeze |
| 22:43.32 | HardDisk_WP | s/unchecked/unchanged |
| 22:43.41 | hexicone | it's the netinstall iso that's the problem, there's not enough space |
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| 22:43.52 | abrotman | Troc_: save the list of packages, etc .. then do it |
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| 22:43.56 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: OK, so copy an image of it somewhere safe (use dd), then boot, the compare the image with the possibly-changed version ? |
| 22:44.16 | hexicone | if I repartition, I'll torch the Gentoo system that's on there now (I think) |
| 22:44.18 | HardDisk_WP | takes too long |
| 22:44.37 | HardDisk_WP | i'd rather think of a flag like read-only, just a bit more extreme |
| 22:44.49 | Troc_ | abrotman : so i install them manually if something goes wrong ? |
| 22:45.01 | abrotman | i odn't htink it will .. but just so you know what's gone |
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| 22:45.21 | HardDisk_WP | jmarsden, hmm... could I simply make the "basic" partition in some readonly filesystem (CIFS?) and then transparently overlay a ext3 partition like knoppix does? |
| 22:45.27 | Troc_ | brb |
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| 22:46.07 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: You don't actually *have* the partition concerned already? What are you really trying to do here, I'm confused... |
| 22:47.33 | babilen | hexicone: try without the ISO then .. I have not tried that. Or make same space and use the debootstrap method. But i would at least try the boot-from-grub method |
| 22:47.34 | HardDisk_WP | jmarsden, check if the partition I want to boot of has been changed; if not, chroot into it and let $program run |
| 22:47.37 | jmarsden | Every forensics guy I have ever talked to says you always image the partition(s) and work from the images, BTW... |
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| 22:48.06 | HardDisk_WP | jmarsden, $program already works, same for the chroot... the only thing not working is the verification |
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| 22:49.50 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: So can't you "check for changes" by sha1sum <(dd if=/dev/XXX) # or similar, and compare the checksum? How exactly are you planning to check for changes? |
| 22:50.14 | HardDisk_WP | exactly |
| 22:50.17 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: In other words, don't mount it, just check it. |
| 22:50.24 | HardDisk_WP | the problem is that mount and unmount changes bits |
| 22:50.32 | HardDisk_WP | and so the 2nd verification fails |
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| 22:50.48 | HardDisk_WP | i think it's the last-mounted flag |
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| 22:51.06 | HardDisk_WP | or the mount count flag used by fsck for periodic checking |
| 22:51.08 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: Can't you see where they are and write a dd to exclude that block, or similar? |
| 22:51.25 | HardDisk_WP | no, running a diff over 2GB of data is something I don't even want to attempt |
| 22:51.26 | SpookyET | Hello. Does anyone know of a command line BPM (Beats Per Minute) calculator for MP3s and other music files? |
| 22:51.30 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
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| 22:52.16 | jmarsden | HardDisk_WP: Why not? Should take less time that we have already spent talking here :) |
| 22:52.27 | HardDisk_WP | =) |
| 22:52.45 | abrotman | SpookyET: maybe ask #music if they talk about those things ? |
| 22:53.08 | SpookyET | abrotman: Doubt #music use #linux. |
| 22:53.21 | abrotman | SpookyET: don't assume |
| 22:53.22 | phil01234761 | abrotman: Thank you very much for your help, you too babilen :) |
| 22:53.56 | phil01234761 | abrotman: Now I install Debian new, could you perhaps help me than with the security? |
| 22:54.34 | babilen | phil01234761: have a look at the 'securing debian manual' |
| 22:54.45 | abrotman | !harden |
| 22:54.46 | dpkg | i heard harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 22:54.49 | soopos | How can you fix the "missing separator" -error about debian/config -file at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/161146/ ? |
| 22:55.26 | abrotman | !tell soopos about mentors |
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| 22:56.51 | phil01234761 | babilen: OK! One question at the end: is lighttpd a secure webserver on Debian? |
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| 22:57.16 | adamska | hello what is the best software for supervision? |
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| 22:57.42 | adamska | i mean what do you use, it s easy to setup ? |
| 22:57.47 | abrotman | adamska: you mean for vision impaired ? |
| 22:58.29 | jmarsden | adamska: Supervising a bunch of schookids? Supervising virtual machines? Supervising *what*? |
| 22:58.33 | adamska | abrotman, heu supervisionm i mean, disk space used, porcess running etc etc |
| 22:58.42 | abrotman | administration ? |
| 22:58.46 | adamska | yes for administration |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | probably something using snmp |
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| 22:59.14 | adamska | i know a good sys admin use his brain, but there is some software for help him |
| 22:59.21 | abrotman | winks at markybob |
| 22:59.32 | adamska | abrotman, yes but snmp is a protocol,... any application using it? |
| 22:59.38 | abrotman | there are lots .. |
| 22:59.39 | abrotman | !search |
| 22:59.39 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 22:59.59 | adamska | abrotman, which software do you use you personnaly |
| 23:00.12 | adamska | i had good sound about nagios |
| 23:00.20 | abrotman | nagios is decent, cacti is another |
| 23:00.26 | abrotman | it really depends what you're trying to do |
| 23:00.58 | adamska | abrotman, manage, and admin my servers |
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| 23:01.30 | abrotman | adamska: you're talking about monitoring or administrating ? |
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| 23:01.59 | adamska | abrotman, administrating first, and monitoring second point |
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| 23:02.33 | simNIX | adamska, nagios is good for monitoring your assets maybe team it up with fai / xen / gosa / glpi /ocsinventory-ng.org |
| 23:03.07 | simNIX | lilac for managing nagios maybe |
| 23:03.25 | abrotman | adamska: for which linux ? |
| 23:03.31 | simNIX | opsi for those pest winlsoe boxes yuo may have to instal |
| 23:03.34 | adamska | abrotman, debian |
| 23:03.49 | abrotman | adamska: cfengine? dsh? puppet? |
| 23:03.58 | jmarsden | adamska: Use what you know. nagios, cacti, zenoss, opennms for monitoring. For administration... ssh and a shell prompt :) Of you are doing a large scale automated admin setup, and know what you are doing, consider cfengine or puppet. |
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| 23:05.28 | soopos | abrotman: the bot dpkg bot is great. If I happen to close the chat by accident, how can you have a PM with the bot again? |
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| 23:06.22 | soopos | !tell soopos about dpkg |
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| 23:07.52 | adamska | thanks you all for your advice |
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| 23:10.12 | dannyboy1121x | WHo's good with CPAN? I'm getting a cryptic error whilst tring to install IPTables::IPv4::DBTarpit .. if someone can help I'll dump the error in to #flood |
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| 23:10.34 | jamesho | how can decrypt a second disk by only entering one password as boot up? |
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| 23:12.22 | babilen | dannyboy1121x: i heard the people over at #perl know a little about CPAN |
| 23:12.34 | simNIX | adamska, maybe also look at drbd |
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| 23:13.00 | dannyboy1121x | bab: I'm on it |
| 23:14.46 | adamska | simNIX, and you what do you use? |
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| 23:18.00 | simNIX | Im working on a FAI /puppet to install xen servers and xen vm's so that teamed up with drbd I can migrate live running vm's from one box to the other - also the fai/puppet can install the needed desktops - then team that up with gosa/ocs inventory/glpi |
| 23:18.02 | simNIX | big order |
| 23:18.57 | simNIX | in production I do most FreeBSD server now |
| 23:19.04 | simNIX | this is hobby for me |
| 23:19.22 | adamska | simNIX, arf it mean a lot of opensource software installing |
| 23:20.41 | simNIX | it touches on so many fields tru - but once masterd I think managing 100 or 10 boxes could be exual well |
| 23:21.14 | simNIX | its for me a learning exerciese |
| 23:21.18 | simNIX | for next months |
| 23:21.24 | adamska | simNIX, but it cost much time for the enterprize for waiting you to mastered this stuff no? |
| 23:21.59 | simNIX | Ill master it in my own time no prob |
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| 23:22.03 | adamska | pb i seen is enterprize arf sometimes affraid by this, cause there are not official support for this stuff |
| 23:22.23 | adamska | simNIX, really, they prefer pay more and get microsoft support |
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| 23:22.40 | adamska | tought it s crazy but i can understand now |
| 23:22.41 | simNIX | those that do can and will |
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| 23:22.46 | simNIX | im not targeting them |
| 23:22.57 | simNIX | lukely in Holland some years bakc law passed |
| 23:23.13 | Lug | [- Lag: 296 ms -] |
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| 23:23.36 | simNIX | that all goverment bodies have to in ict biddings give preference to open os and are abligeged to only ue open standards |
| 23:23.37 | mreh | I tried these steps to get my wpa authorisation working http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 23:23.45 | adamska | now i am in canada, tough it s a good source of sharp technology but, they all use microsoft here |
| 23:24.23 | mreh | but they are for ubuntu, could you suggest what other steps i need to take to get my wpa_supplicant daemon to start and my wpa to auth? |
| 23:24.28 | adamska | simNIX, i have plan to come back in europa for this, i am lazy of microsoft stuff |
| 23:24.31 | simNIX | if they want to pay gosa does comercial support |
| 23:24.48 | mreh | i have a /etc/default/wpasupplicant file |
| 23:24.53 | simNIX | but I kow what ya meen |
| 23:24.59 | mreh | with the single line "ENABLED=0" |
| 23:25.00 | simNIX | lost op bizenis are locked in |
| 23:25.06 | simNIX | went for solution |
| 23:25.11 | simNIX | and are stuck |
| 23:25.12 | adamska | mreh, you have to use wpa_passphrase |
| 23:25.49 | adamska | mreh, for generate for generate a decent wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 23:26.03 | mreh | adamska: I don;t think i'm even that far yet, i do "ps -ef | grep wpa" and I cant see any wpa_supplicant daemon |
| 23:26.23 | adamska | mreh, the daemon take a file as parameter |
| 23:26.34 | abrotman | !wpa |
| 23:26.34 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 23:26.56 | adamska | /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_suppliant.conf, is this file correct? |
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| 23:28.01 | mreh | /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf according to the man pages |
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| 23:28.25 | mreh | but i dont suppose it matters |
| 23:28.34 | adamska | mreh, ths psk value meed to be a passphrase encrypted like 16762dfcfaa123a6a67350f885466ba30b0baeb4e6c5e6eb39e779a91418cb45 |
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| 23:30.22 | adamska | mreh, create a decent wpa_supplicant.conf with the program wpa_passphrae then relaunch wpa_supplicant with this file as parameter and tell us if it works |
| 23:31.04 | mreh | adamska, okay |
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| 23:31.27 | adamska | man wpa_passphrase or see google you will find sample |
| 23:31.31 | mreh | adamska: well, why can't i just have it on roaming mode |
| 23:31.50 | mreh | I dont think that's the problem, network-manager should be able to generate the psk for me |
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| 23:32.30 | mreh | but i'll do it for debugging |
| 23:32.37 | mreh | is that all I need in the file? |
| 23:32.54 | adamska | network={ |
| 23:32.55 | adamska | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.55 | adamska | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.55 | adamska | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.21 | adamska | sorry |
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| 23:33.32 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: I resolved by setting on primary master an hd and on secondary master another drive. Thank very much for yours,jhutchins and jmarsden support |
| 23:33.32 | adamska | It s a sample of my file |
| 23:33.33 | Zeit|awy | are "lenny-backports" the right ones for etch? |
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| 23:34.32 | bitfox | jhutchins_lt: now the system shutdown after a bit second and 2-3 "drive not ready for command" strings |
| 23:34.56 | adamska | wpa_passphrase ssid password > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant2.conf |
| 23:35.25 | adamska | wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant2.conf -iWifi-interface |
| 23:35.31 | jmarsden | Zeit|awy: No. lenny-backports are for lenny. |
| 23:35.31 | mreh | adamka: I dont use a passphrase, it's a hex key |
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| 23:36.25 | adamska | mreh, humm |
| 23:36.29 | Zeit|awy | ah.. "etch-backports" might be right then.. the instruction is a bit.. short |
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| 23:38.05 | bitfox | jmarsden: how much normal is a slow hd recognize step with raid pci card? |
| 23:38.21 | mreh | wpa-psk = 10 digit hex key, wpa2-psk = passkey |
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| 23:38.44 | jmarsden | bitfox: At boot time, the RAID card will want to do its magic scanning its drives etc, so some extra delay then is normal. |
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| 23:39.07 | bitfox | jmarsden: ok, thank you |
| 23:39.33 | adamska | mreh, it s a wep key? |
| 23:39.55 | adamska | mreh, or you use wep or wpa method ? |
| 23:40.18 | mreh | adamska, it's wpa |
| 23:40.36 | adamska | mreh, try the command i show you for debuging and tell me |
| 23:40.51 | bitfox | jmarsden: I hope not to bore you with all these questions... you have infinite patience, thank you! :-) |
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| 23:42.07 | adamska | mreh, and add in your /etc/network/interfaces: allow-hotplug WifiInterface |
| 23:42.09 | adamska | and |
| 23:42.17 | adamska | auto WifiInterface |
| 23:42.30 | mreh | what does that do? |
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| 23:42.39 | mreh | automatically loads the interface |
| 23:42.48 | jmarsden | bitfox: No problem. |
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| 23:45.46 | adamska | mreh, what happend then? |
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| 23:46.02 | mreh | it can't parse the file |
| 23:46.11 | mreh | I having difficulty hardcoding the psk key |
| 23:46.17 | mreh | brb |
| 23:46.28 | adamska | humm |
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| 23:49.06 | adamska | i am sorry but the python2.6 package doesn t exist for lenny ? |
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| 23:49.41 | adamska | apt-cache search python | grep 2.6 return nothing |
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| 23:52.02 | jmarsden | adamska: Lenny has an earlier package of Python, see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python |
| 23:52.32 | jmarsden | adamska: python2.6 is in sid |
| 23:52.37 | adamska | jmarsden, thanks |
| 23:52.38 | babilen | adamska: Just compile it yourself and remove /usr/local/bin/python |
| 23:52.49 | babilen | jmarsden: it is? \o/ |
| 23:52.56 | adamska | babilen, thanks |
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| 23:53.11 | babilen | jmarsden: experimental |
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| 23:53.21 | jmarsden | babilen: Ah... right. |
| 23:53.35 | jmarsden | I wonder why it's not in sid yet? |
| 23:54.28 | HardDisk_WP | can I set up autologin? |
| 23:54.36 | babilen | politcal issues and a lot of issues with the transition |
| 23:54.45 | HardDisk_WP | i.e. system boots, user autologins and then executes a script? |
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| 23:55.02 | HardDisk_WP | but the mouse and keyboard must not be able to interrupt this process |
| 23:55.34 | babilen | HardDisk_WP: gdm can be configured to log you in automatically |
| 23:55.40 | Darkedge | :/ dpkg isn't responding |
| 23:55.45 | HardDisk_WP | no x available, just a commandline script |
| 23:55.54 | HardDisk_WP | which is why I ask^^ |
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| 23:56.40 | Darkedge | Can someone tell me how to add the testing repos? |
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| 23:57.35 | cast | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:57.56 | adamska | Darkedge, in your /etc/apt/sources.list use testing instead of etch or lenny |
| 23:57.57 | abrotman | !tell Darkedge about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:58.01 | abrotman | adamska: NO |
| 23:58.10 | adamska | abrotman, lol ok |
| 23:58.11 | Darkedge | Cast: done |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | !tell Darkedge about lenny->squeeze |
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| 23:58.51 | cast | quok: dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:58.59 | cast | oops, ment to / query |
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| 23:59.41 | abrotman | it was close though .. |
