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| 00:03.10 | fishsponge_ | bugger... i've installed smartmontools, and put my standard config line in place, and i got my test email from sdb, but not sda! how strange |
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| 00:05.31 | fishsponge_ | right... it's midnight and i have another manic day at work tomorrow! thanks for the help everyone |
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| 00:06.14 | fishsponge_ | i know i should rtfm a bit more, but i'm so used to having no time in which to get anything done, i forget that outside of work, i *do* have the time to read stuff! |
| 00:06.20 | fishsponge_ | anyway, thanks again! |
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| 00:10.33 | fishsponge_ | actually, i'm back to remind myself about the debian multimedia repo (for ffmpeg etc...) |
| 00:10.43 | fishsponge_ | !dmm @ fishsponge |
| 00:10.50 | fishsponge_ | !debian-multimedia @ fishsponge |
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| 00:11.06 | fishsponge_ | i wish i knew more about IRC... can anyone help me find the debian multimedia repo? |
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| 00:11.43 | fishsponge_ | and also, what is the lm_sensors package known as these days? Is it sensord? |
| 00:12.02 | AimHere | It's at debian-multimedia.org, though I think the bot here has some sort of message complaining about it |
| 00:13.16 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 00:13.16 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 00:14.33 | AimHere | !marillat |
| 00:14.33 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 00:15.16 | AimHere | Hmm, the last time I saw the message, it said something different, and rather uncomplimentary about the marillat repos |
| 00:17.04 | fishsponge_ | thanks for that |
| 00:17.10 | fishsponge_ | what is the lm_sensors package known as these days? Is it sensord? |
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| 00:18.04 | markybob | lm-sensors |
| 00:18.15 | anoob | is there a command to discover dns? |
| 00:18.15 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok |
| 00:18.18 | abrotman | they seriously pay you ? |
| 00:18.24 | anoob | my dns* |
| 00:18.31 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, yes, they do... but i know almost nothing about debian remember |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | !tell fishsponge_ about reference |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | !tell fishsponge_ about search |
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| 00:19.40 | fishsponge_ | as mentioned earlier, i spend my days dealing with physical networking, opensuse machines, a few solaris machines and a load of netapp kit. we have one debian machine in the entire building, our mail server, and as a result, i know very little about this particular distro |
| 00:20.08 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, is it that surprising that i'm paid as s sysadmin when i know nothing about debian? there are other OSs and Linux distros out there... |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | no, it's surprising that you don't seem to want to read |
| 00:21.04 | fishsponge_ | well, i do... i guess it comes down to lack of time again. i have no time to learn at work, i just have to fix it, and unfortunately after 5 years it has trained my brain to forget how to read, if that makes sense |
| 00:21.29 | fishsponge_ | i'm at home now, this evening, and have the time to read... but i keep forgetting, so for that i apologise. |
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| 00:30.12 | fishsponge_ | right... i've done all i'm going to do for this evening... thanks again for the help, people. i'll try to remember to read more (when i have time, like at home!), and yes - i really am a paid sysadmin, but with a *severe* lack of time and manpower at work! |
| 00:30.18 | fishsponge_ | anyway, thanks again, people! i'm off! |
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| 00:33.40 | simonrvn | wishes fishsponge some good luck |
| 00:34.39 | markybob | he doesnt need luck..he needs a book :P |
| 00:36.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:36.40 | simonrvn | i meant getting some extra staff etc. |
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| 00:48.56 | Nikolaos | για ÏαÏά Ïε ÏλοÏ
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| 00:50.42 | themill | !gr |
| 00:50.42 | dpkg | Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net). |
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| 00:54.07 | Nikolaos | OK εÏ
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| 00:56.22 | SerajewelKS | aha, all this time wrestling with the nvidia driver to make uswsusp work... |
| 00:56.42 | SerajewelKS | and the actual problem was that i repartitioned and didn't update my swap partition in /etc/uswsusp.conf |
| 00:56.51 | SerajewelKS | cheers for misleading errors |
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| 01:05.37 | skeletal | Guys, i have a doubt. I would like to know some software that is necessary for audio capture in Linux... |
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| 01:06.17 | dondelelcaro | skeletal: there isn't anything necessary, but there are quite a few programs for it |
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| 01:07.36 | skeletal | dondelelcaro OK. But i need to capture some audio in my system. When I use Sound Recorder it doesn't work. |
| 01:07.50 | skeletal | What can I do in this situation? |
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| 01:09.36 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 01:09.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 01:09.39 | SerajewelKS | skeletal: ^^^ |
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| 01:10.41 | winter | does it dum? |
| 01:12.37 | macrobat | skeletal: audacity can capture sound |
| 01:16.56 | Piet | would anyone of you happen to have a working shorewall configuration for shorewall-perl 4.0, xen 3.2 and DNAT (1 public IP address, a single RFC1918 LAN)? |
| 01:16.59 | Piet | that's the versions you'd find on lenny |
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| 01:32.37 | SuperMiguel | is there a problem with the testing download site? |
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| 01:33.52 | markybob | uh |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: could you be more vague ? |
| 01:34.34 | SuperMiguel | sorry i tought it was a known issue.... |
| 01:34.39 | abrotman | what issue? |
| 01:34.45 | SuperMiguel | i cant see any files in here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:34.58 | abrotman | so use the netinst |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | from the correct place |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:36.03 | SuperMiguel | whi is that link empty? |
| 01:36.11 | SuperMiguel | i used to get it from there |
| 01:36.12 | SuperMiguel | weird |
| 01:36.15 | joshritger | what is the volume level controller for lxde? I am using lenny |
| 01:36.57 | SuperMiguel | joshritger, alsamixer works well |
| 01:37.09 | macrobat | or alsamixergui |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | joshritger: don't you right click on the panel and add one ? |
| 01:37.13 | joshritger | I installed it and nothing happened |
| 01:37.40 | SuperMiguel | i think you have to install alsautils |
| 01:37.44 | joshritger | I have tried adding one butnothing happens |
| 01:38.30 | macrobat | i have volume set with xbindkeys and amixer |
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| 01:42.58 | ctmjr | joshritger: it is called xfce4-mixer and you have to configure it to control your sound module master or pcm try em till you find the right one and yes you can right click the panel and add it |
| 01:43.28 | joshritger | ctmjr: that works on lxde? |
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| 01:44.10 | craigevil | right click on the panel, Panel Settings>Panel Applets>Add>Volume Control |
| 01:44.40 | joshritger | I have added the volume control to the panel but nothing comes up |
| 01:45.19 | ctmjr | joshritger: right click the little speaker and click properties |
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| 01:46.22 | joshritger | ctmjr: I don't get a speaker, nothing comes up on my panel when I add it |
| 01:46.51 | ctmjr | joshritger: ok my dumb ass moment for the day thought you said xfce not lxde |
| 01:47.32 | joshritger | ctmjr: no problem, I have tried xfce and it isn't light enough for this machine, lxde seems to work much better |
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| 01:49.14 | Jigbooot | Tired of niggggras and their monkeyshines? Then join us at Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout Forum we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! Chimpout.com/forum values the diversity of the human races, welcoming with open arms Asians, Whites, non-negroid Hispanics, Indians, Native Americans, Jews, Mexicans, Semites, Arabs, Turks, Polynesians, etc.... basically everybody but the fecal-colored Negro Beast. Join us in the epic battle of human |
| 01:49.14 | Jigbooot | s vs. negroes! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 01:49.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
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| 01:50.18 | markybob | that guy's presistent. seems like he's been doing this all week long |
| 01:50.31 | abrotman | first time i've seen |
| 01:50.39 | markybob | not me |
| 01:51.10 | ctmjr | joshritger: you can install alsamixergui and if iirc you can add it too the panel |
| 01:51.19 | lobo99 | hello! I'm installing debian lenny 64 bits in a PATA disk. All ok. If I connect another SATA disk, don't works, stops in "booting the kernel" How can I debug the error? |
| 01:51.51 | ctmjr | he was here last night spamming that crab |
| 01:52.08 | markybob | ctmjr, yeah. fucker :P |
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| 01:53.08 | joshritger | ctmjr: I have alsomixergui installed and nothing shows up in the panel |
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| 01:54.23 | MrDusty | Hey guys, I am having issues installing amavisd-new package from debian lenny repos:: http://pastebin.ca/1719003 anyone know what i swrong ? |
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| 01:55.03 | abrotman | he's changing nicks and hosts .. yay |
| 01:55.39 | abrotman | MrDusty: done an update lately? could you paste your sources.list ? |
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| 01:59.01 | MrDusty | sure |
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| 01:59.53 | MrDusty | http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 01:59.55 | MrDusty | err |
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| 02:00.11 | MrDusty | http://pastebin.ca/1719009 |
| 02:00.16 | MrDusty | there |
| 02:00.18 | MrDusty | and yes updated |
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| 02:00.32 | abrotman | you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | MrDusty: apt-cache policy amavisd-new .. what's the candidate ? |
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| 02:02.03 | MikeH__ | evening all |
| 02:02.12 | MikeH__ | how can I delete a route |
| 02:02.31 | abrotman | man route wasn't helpful ? |
| 02:02.43 | MikeH__ | Not at all |
| 02:02.48 | markybob | just like you can route add...you can route del |
| 02:02.52 | markybob | heh |
| 02:03.00 | Tramp | ip route del help |
| 02:03.15 | MikeH__ | Yes, I've tried this, to no avail, I either get no such process or unknown host or something else |
| 02:03.46 | lobo99 | example: route del -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:04.01 | ctmjr | joshritger: felt bad about misleading you so found this on a ubuntu forum see if it helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=870617 it is post #8 |
| 02:04.14 | MrDusty | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1719012 rc |
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| 02:05.10 | MikeH__ | lobo99: Whoops, that worked, I missed the - on net when trying this |
| 02:05.12 | MikeH__ | Thanks. |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | MrDusty: and `apt-cache policy libcompress-zlib-perl' ? |
| 02:06.04 | MrDusty | http://pastebin.ca/1719013 |
| 02:06.44 | ctmjr | remembers why he does not research for people |
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| 02:07.11 | abrotman | MrDusty: and you can't install libcompress-zlib-perl either ? |
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| 02:07.34 | lobo99 | how can I debug the starts kernel load? My installation stops in "booting the kernel" |
| 02:07.45 | syrius | what has happened to debian? |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | you broke it |
| 02:08.10 | syrius | people tell me that debian is dead and that most devs moved to ubuntu or gentoo is this true? |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | syrius: do you need help with a Debian system? This is a support channel |
| 02:08.27 | syrius | this person also told me he/she use to dev for debian |
| 02:08.41 | syrius | well I was just wondering if it is true or not |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | syrius: try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:08.48 | syrius | okay |
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| 02:20.26 | MrDusty | abrotman, nope :( |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | MrDusty: with an error ? |
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| 02:22.36 | MrDusty | same |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | MrDusty: it can't be the same error |
| 02:23.32 | MrDusty | http://pastebin.ca/1719022 |
| 02:23.34 | MrDusty | thats the error |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman | MrDusty: try with aptitude |
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| 02:24.46 | lobo99 | hello! I'm installing debian lenny 64 bits in a PATA disk. All ok. If I connect another SATA disk, don't works, stops in "booting the kernel" How can I debug the error? |
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| 02:25.20 | MrDusty | i can't install aptitude either |
| 02:25.20 | MrDusty | i thought that was odd |
| 02:25.20 | MrDusty | moans about a lib |
| 02:25.32 | tensorpudding | lobo99: is the sata disk visible to the bios? |
| 02:26.00 | abrotman | MrDusty: sounds like you've been mixing versions of debian |
| 02:26.12 | MrDusty | yeah |
| 02:26.22 | lobo99 | yes, I can see the sata disk in the bios |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | MrDusty: paste the last two lines from 'dpkg -l libc6 perl' |
| 02:26.30 | MrDusty | i changed lenny to testing, apt-get upgraded, distupgraded, had issues, then changed it back to lenny and apt-get upgraded |
| 02:26.34 | MrDusty | ok two secs |
| 02:26.39 | LaireTM | Hello, search a howto for install debian on a root server. Running System is Ubuntu and i can us a recovery system |
| 02:27.01 | lobo99 | I have installed debian with the sata disc connected |
| 02:27.08 | lobo99 | and debian installation detects all disks |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | LaireTM: you want to do what ? |
| 02:27.38 | MrDusty | ii libc6 2.10.2-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:27.38 | MrDusty | ii perl 5.10.1-8 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | MrDusty: so you've been installing unstable packages on stable .. not a great idea |
| 02:27.51 | tensorpudding | lobo99: is it hanging during the kernel loading? |
| 02:27.52 | MrDusty | is there a way to fix this mess? :) |
| 02:28.13 | MrDusty | ok can i some how remove everything and start again (this is a vps) |
| 02:28.21 | LaireTM | abrotman: I have a server, only conecction is over ssh, running system is ubuntu. i want to install now debian |
| 02:28.22 | MrDusty | like remove all packages, then upgrade or something? |
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| 02:28.33 | abrotman | MrDusty: you can't remove libc6 |
| 02:28.40 | MrDusty | ok |
| 02:28.43 | tensorpudding | lobo99: as in, does it find grub, and find the right location for the kernel to be? |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | MrDusty: is it brand new ? |
| 02:28.51 | MrDusty | is there a way to go to the top version and get it working that way? |
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| 02:28.56 | MrDusty | not reall |
| 02:29.21 | MrDusty | can i not just go back to testing ? |
| 02:29.23 | lobo99 | tensorpudding: yes, the gurb find the correct location of kernel |
| 02:29.25 | MrDusty | and be happy with it? |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | MrDusty: no security support for testing |
| 02:29.39 | MrDusty | thats what i rolled back for |
| 02:29.50 | Drunken | o/ I'm trying to install some software that requires libopenal.so.0, synaptics only offers to let me download libopenal.so.1, the instructions say I can create a reference to the .0, but i always get an error that it isn't found |
| 02:29.51 | MrDusty | but i'll just have to take that risk, i can't get a rebuild that easily |
| 02:29.59 | MrDusty | what other options do I have? |
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| 02:30.56 | LinuxNIT-II | i have an ati radeon 9200 with s-video out but xrandr is tellling me that the s-video cable is disconnected (it is not) any idea how to fix this? |
| 02:31.02 | LinuxNIT-II | lenny |
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| 02:32.36 | tensorpudding | lobo99: so what is the error exactly? |
| 02:33.44 | lobo99 | tensorpudding: the SO is hanging in "booting the kernel" |
| 02:34.02 | MrDusty | pokes abrotman |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | MrDusty: you can get aptitude installed and try to downgrade everything |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | !tell MrDusty about downgrade |
| 02:34.45 | MrDusty | abrotman, what about upgrade then ? |
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| 02:35.08 | abrotman | no security support on testing or unstable |
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| 02:36.02 | MrDusty | yeah but other than that, will it fix my situation? |
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| 02:37.48 | abrotman | FSVO 'fix' |
| 02:37.54 | MrDusty | FSVO ? |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | !fsvo |
| 02:38.08 | dpkg | fsvo is, like, For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 02:38.51 | MrDusty | ok thanks |
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| 02:48.19 | LaireTM | is that an amd64? http://pastebin.com/m4b1d46fb |
| 02:48.45 | markybob | LaireTM, yes |
| 02:49.25 | tensorpudding | it's an opteron, and all opterons use amd64 |
| 02:49.59 | tensorpudding | opterons were the first, in fact |
| 02:50.58 | Caelum | taps on my touchpad stop working after I connect a USB mouse |
| 02:51.48 | Caelum | oh it resets |
| 02:51.50 | Caelum | never mind |
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| 03:00.54 | penta | hello, anybody alive here? |
| 03:01.32 | lobo99 | yeah! |
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| 03:19.59 | kaziem | lenny->squeeze |
| 03:20.16 | kaziem | etch->lenny |
| 03:22.26 | abrotman | do you need help ? |
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| 03:25.37 | micols | anybody know if one can use a laptop irda port to recieve signals from a tv remote , or if the recieving diode wavelength is not in this range? |
| 03:26.08 | zinx | same range |
| 03:26.23 | zinx | but i don't know if it can pick up raw signals or not |
| 03:26.55 | MrPocketz | herm |
| 03:27.01 | MrPocketz | that, sir, is a great question. |
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| 03:27.22 | zinx | if it can, chances are lirc or such supports it already |
| 03:27.45 | MrPocketz | I'd assume twords them being different, as you've gotta have IRA pretty damn close to get a file across, whereas with a fresh set of AAs you can peg a TV from across the house |
| 03:27.53 | MrPocketz | but thats an undereducated guess |
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| 03:33.17 | DasEi | micols: makes me think of this ultracheap programmable tv-remotes, that could work |
| 03:33.57 | beerkid | permission denied on a file. how to get the root user permission? |
| 03:34.00 | micols | DasEi: yes got a few of those |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | beerkid: which file ? |
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| 03:34.16 | micols | DasEi: but weird, cannot find my irda on lspci -vv right now |
| 03:34.24 | MrPocketz | beerkid, yar. Which file? |
| 03:34.30 | beerkid | its one in the localhost directory |
| 03:34.33 | MrPocketz | and do you a superdoer? |
| 03:34.59 | beerkid | something is screwed up w/ my configuration i think because i randomly dont have permission to a lot of files |
| 03:35.07 | beerkid | not sure what superdoer is |
| 03:35.18 | MrPocketz | well |
| 03:35.20 | beerkid | sudo /var/www/file.php? |
| 03:35.26 | beerkid | ive seen it but dont know what it is |
| 03:35.40 | MrPocketz | a lot of shit you're not supposed to be able to read or write to as a regular user |
| 03:35.52 | MrPocketz | you've gotta have "admin" (read= root) privledges. |
| 03:36.09 | MrPocketz | so you've got two options. become root, or run the command AS a root privledges. |
| 03:36.17 | beerkid | yeah, i installed debian on this and its my personal comp |
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| 03:36.22 | beerkid | i think I'm root |
| 03:36.27 | MrPocketz | you aren't. |
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| 03:36.36 | MrPocketz | Its *very* bad practice to be using your OS as the root user. |
| 03:36.42 | beerkid | I should be. I'm in the root terminal and entered the password to get in? |
| 03:36.46 | MrPocketz | no. |
| 03:36.51 | MrPocketz | you shoudln't be. |
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| 03:37.03 | MrPocketz | type whoami |
| 03:37.09 | MrPocketz | whats the output? |
| 03:37.14 | beerkid | root |
| 03:37.27 | MrPocketz | cd to the directory containing the file you wnat to modify |
| 03:37.30 | beerkid | How should I normally access the shell? |
| 03:37.38 | beerkid | not through applications > root terminal? |
| 03:37.56 | MrPocketz | when i need to run as root, i log in as my regular user, open a terminal, and use the su - command to become root |
| 03:38.16 | crazy_pete | my gf runs debian and i run centos. Where is a good place to start to get familiar with basic debian usage, please? Right now i am specifically looking at how to start a service on debian. (on centos it would be su -l -c 'service sshd start' ) |
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| 03:38.26 | beerkid | ok done that pocketz |
| 03:38.37 | DasEi | micols: http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php |
| 03:38.50 | MrPocketz | beerkid, type then ls -l |
| 03:38.59 | MrPocketz | and paste the entire line containing the file you want to modify |
| 03:39.05 | beerkid | ok |
| 03:39.11 | DasEi | micols: oops, http://pastebin.ca/1719070 |
| 03:39.14 | MrPocketz | crazy_pete, i'm a CentOS server admin myself, and i feel your pain |
| 03:39.19 | MrPocketz | i think its just sshd start |
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| 03:39.34 | crazy_pete | thanks MrPocketz |
| 03:39.37 | MrPocketz | that do it? |
| 03:40.14 | beerkid | should I try to access the file you mean? |
| 03:40.19 | crazy_pete | dunno gonna find out |
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| 03:40.27 | crazy_pete | (her box is in the other room) |
| 03:40.53 | MrPocketz | you could SSH to it from yoru location, ...BUT! |
| 03:41.10 | MrPocketz | beerkid, no, type ls -l when you're in the directory containing the file |
| 03:41.12 | MrPocketz | and pastebin the output. |
| 03:41.19 | beerkid | ok one moment |
| 03:41.57 | solar_sea | using a debian squeeze on a non-network connected pc, can I see what .debs I need for a given package, including dependencies so that I can download them and install manually ? |
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| 03:44.37 | beerkid | pocketz: http://pastebin.com/d5ffe4c4e |
| 03:46.06 | micols | DasEi: yep, i might just search apt myself :P, i just wanted to know if hw compatibility existed |
| 03:46.22 | micols | but thanks for trying to help :) |
| 03:46.51 | micols | i.e. would like to know if irda onboard a modern laptop generally is compatible with an universal remote frequency irda |
| 03:47.24 | micols | but i might just try, if i can get this irda port to work - seems it isnt very good supported compared to my old laptop |
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| 03:47.59 | DasEi | micols: first thing is right module then.. |
| 03:48.19 | crazy_pete | that is the problem |
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| 03:48.22 | crazy_pete | she uses a dvorak layout |
| 03:48.29 | crazy_pete | i cannot do anything BUT SSH :) |
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| 04:39.26 | coreyman | How do I know if I'm running debian? |
| 04:39.37 | coreyman | uname -a returned 2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7 #1 SMP Wed Aug 26 15:47:17 MSD 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 04:40.48 | coreyman | nvm thats the openvz kernel. |
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| 04:43.43 | nvz | coreyman: heh |
| 04:44.02 | nvz | no relation |
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| 04:53.04 | paradroid | The mit-scheme package is listed on the web package search, but when I query using aptitude, it's not there. Anyone know what's up? |
| 04:54.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | paradroid: package lists up to date? |
| 04:54.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | if not, i dunno - afk :) |
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| 04:57.21 | cyberjorge | hi, what's the latest version other than this? linux-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64_2.6.26-19_amd64.deb |
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| 04:57.45 | cyberjorge | is this the latest version available already? |
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| 04:58.05 | macrobat | judd: versions linux-modules |
| 04:58.05 | beerkid | Anyone familiar with lynx? If a php file, when executed, updates a database table should doing lynx -dump http://ipaddress/file.php update the table or print results in the shell? |
| 04:58.06 | judd | macrobat: linux-modules -- |
| 04:58.26 | beerkid | I'd ask in #lynx but theres no one in there & im working on Debian |
| 04:59.06 | macrobat | judd: versions mit-scheme |
| 04:59.06 | judd | macrobat: mit-scheme -- etch: 7.7.90+20060906-3 lenny: 7.7.90+20080130-1 sid: 7.7.90+20090107-1.1 squeeze: 7.7.90+20090107-1.1 |
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| 05:06.00 | beerkid | how do i install mail? |
| 05:06.09 | beerkid | no mail for root :( |
| 05:06.26 | JyZyXEL | poor lonely root |
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| 05:17.28 | oh-hey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coR-9nrvSzQ |
| 05:17.35 | oh-hey | UGH, wrong paste, sorry |
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| 06:50.39 | Baloo | I wonder why update-notifier keeps coming back every few hours saying that it's information is out of date when it's verifiably not. |
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| 06:52.18 | ||arifaX | i have 6 network interfaces. I have a static configuration for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces what do I have to do to bring the others up at boot, they are present with ifconfig -a |
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| 07:00.04 | JyZyXEL | ||arifaX: add them in the interfaces and use auto |
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| 07:00.29 | ||arifaX | JyZyXEL: like auto eth1 eth2 eth3 eth4 and so on? |
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| 07:00.43 | Hideo | man interfaces |
| 07:02.31 | ||arifaX | Hideo: was reading but now I found the correct stuff I just needed that "auto" hint - thanks guys |
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| 07:21.07 | ||arifaX | Hideo: ifup -a says now Ignoring unknown interface eth4=eth4. |
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| 07:22.12 | JyZyXEL | pastebinit -i /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:22.38 | Hideo | yes |
| 07:23.47 | ||arifaX | JyZyXEL: http://debian.pastebin.com/m62f3bebb |
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| 07:25.15 | Hideo | does eth4 exist? |
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| 07:25.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hideo: not in stable |
| 07:26.09 | Hideo | huh? |
| 07:26.27 | ||arifaX | Hideo: http://debian.pastebin.com/m2f6ab849 |
| 07:26.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hideo: sorry, miscue :s |
| 07:27.17 | ||arifaX | Hideo: they are all present also in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 07:31.43 | ||arifaX | Hideo: I will put a script in rc.local to bring them up and it will go fine |
| 07:32.25 | Hideo | ||arifaX: sorry, I have no idea why eth4 didn't turn on |
| 07:32.42 | Hideo | was it already on? |
| 07:32.51 | ||arifaX | Hideo: 1-4 don't |
| 07:33.12 | ||arifaX | Hideo: if I do ifup eth1 .... eth5 it works |
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| 07:34.27 | Hideo | ||arifaX: you shouldn't have to put a script in rc.local, if an iface has auto infront of it, it will come on at boot time, supposedly |
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| 07:36.03 | ||arifaX | Hideo: machine has to work now. will try that out in lunch (in 3 hours) |
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| 07:38.27 | DasEi | ||arifaX:you need a block for each nic in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:38.46 | ||arifaX | DasEi: will try |
| 07:39.11 | ||arifaX | DasEi: Like "iface eth1 auto" <br> "iface eth2 auto" and so on? |
| 07:39.42 | ranix | iface eth2 inet dhcp probably |
| 07:40.02 | ranix | man interfaces |
| 07:40.03 | DasEi | ||arifaX:the like, but see man interfaces, also dhcp or static is congiured there |
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| 07:41.03 | DasEi | ||arifaX:set one up and paste it here |
| 07:41.22 | datz | hi, I need to install gcc version 4.1.3 to build vmware tools, as this version of gcc was used to compile my versions of debian's kernel. |
| 07:41.29 | datz | how can I do this |
| 07:41.37 | Hideo | don't know if it matters, but "auto" should be before "iface", not after |
| 07:41.43 | datz | something like build essential, but with different version of gcc |
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| 07:44.09 | datz | or if there is some other way to do this.. |
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| 07:46.21 | datz | before I recompiled the kernel with my local version of gcc to try to get it to work...but I don't know much about kernel compiling, and I don't think it was optimized for 64bit, and some other things went wrong, so on a fresh install now. |
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| 07:50.40 | datz | seems like I've figured it out to some degree |
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| 08:02.35 | datz | Hi, I can't get my mouse to transition from VM to host without unlocking it.. |
| 08:02.48 | datz | I'm using debian, and have installed vmware tools |
| 08:03.53 | datz | I'm using workstation 6.5.1 |
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| 08:07.03 | datz | w.w. :p |
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| 08:07.30 | SparFux | Hi all. How to log into a newly installed debian sid mysql 5.1 server as root? |
| 08:07.49 | Brahman | mysql -u root -p ?? |
| 08:08.12 | SparFux | Well, what is the initial password? |
| 08:08.17 | Brahman | Or perhaps minus the p if you didn't set one during the install |
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| 08:08.27 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 08:08.44 | SparFux | I wasn't asked to set one. |
| 08:09.03 | SparFux | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) or YES, depends on -p |
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| 08:09.38 | Brahman | strange, I have always been prompted to set the root password during install. |
| 08:09.55 | SparFux | perhaps I didn't purge everything of my old set. |
| 08:09.56 | Brahman | back in the day they didn't set root and you had to manually. |
| 08:10.02 | Brahman | possible. |
| 08:10.06 | Brahman | dpkg --purge |
| 08:10.06 | dpkg | Brahman: wish i knew |
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| 08:10.25 | Brahman | off to work. |
| 08:10.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell SparFux -about i forgot mysql mysql root password |
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| 08:10.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell SparFux -about i forgot mysql root password |
| 08:10.59 | Brahman | you could also try to reconfigure the package |
| 08:11.07 | dondelelcaro | none of that will help you |
| 08:11.08 | SparFux | dondolelcaro: thx. I know that, but I wonder how mysql server setup in debian was ment. |
| 08:11.19 | dondelelcaro | SparFux: it asks you for the password when it's being configured |
| 08:11.19 | SparFux | Brahman: reconfiguring does not help, neither. |
| 08:11.34 | Brahman | k good luck. |
| 08:11.50 | dondelelcaro | SparFux: however, if you've got your frontend set to noninteractive or similar, it can't, so it may not configure one. Alternatively, if you have an existing database, it doesn't ask you to configure it either. |
| 08:12.23 | SparFux | aha. |
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| 08:12.57 | Baloo | What causes update-notifier to decide that it's idea of package information is outdated? |
| 08:14.47 | SparFux | sorry dudes, I purged mysql-server again and now it asks for password. perhaps before My "purge" wasn't complete enough. Thx for help. |
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| 08:16.52 | SparFux | So this isn't a debian bug I suppose. |
| 08:16.52 | sepski | SparFux, read /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
| 08:17.06 | sepski | it used to be described there how to set the initial password |
| 08:17.22 | sepski | i have not used 5.1 in sid tho. ymmw |
| 08:18.01 | don_martino | hi! i have a problem with the program screen. it won't display certain (control) characters correctly, an effect often observed when reading man pages, or running aptitude. i couldn't fix it myself. can anybody help me making screen display everything correctly? (when not using screen everything is fine so it has to be a problem with screen.) |
| 08:18.25 | SparFux | sepski: well, this line didn't work for me neither. but a total purge did the thing. |
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| 08:24.58 | JyZyXEL | any ideas how i could detect if an external USB hard drive is broken? |
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| 08:25.45 | JyZyXEL | i hooked it up and it detects just fine and im able to mount the filesystem thats in there |
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| 08:25.47 | DasEi | JyZyXEL: fsck it, sysctl it |
| 08:26.04 | JyZyXEL | but fsck only detects filesystem errors |
| 08:26.23 | JyZyXEL | i don't care about FS level errors |
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| 08:26.33 | JyZyXEL | i wanna know if the device itself is broken and in need of replacement |
| 08:26.35 | DasEi | JyZyXEL: install smartmontools (smart functions) |
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| 08:26.46 | JyZyXEL | smart functions don't work on USB drives |
| 08:26.49 | JyZyXEL | atleast on linux |
| 08:27.20 | JyZyXEL | cause of the proprietary smart implementations of each USB to SATA bridge manufucturers |
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| 08:31.11 | JyZyXEL | so any other ideas? |
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| 08:32.39 | DasEi | so ? leat my try (doorbell ,sry) |
| 08:32.59 | _agn_ | when i startx on my thinkpad r51 with intel gfx, my lcd brightness goes up to 100% |
| 08:33.03 | _agn_ | any ideas ? |
| 08:33.29 | _agn_ | currently i use xbacklight -set 0 in my .xinitrc to "fix" it |
| 08:35.54 | DasEi | JyZyXEL: works fine here |
| 08:36.06 | JyZyXEL | how? |
| 08:36.24 | DasEi | JyZyXEL: sudo apt-get install smartmontools |
| 08:36.34 | DasEi | JyZyXEL: man smartctl |
| 08:36.35 | JyZyXEL | yes but what command did you use |
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| 08:37.03 | DasEi | -a ,long/short |
| 08:37.18 | JyZyXEL | doesn't work for me |
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| 08:38.46 | JyZyXEL | also smart can't tell you if a HD is broken or not |
| 08:39.49 | JyZyXEL | i need a stress test type thing |
| 08:40.11 | JyZyXEL | reading the smart information during the test would then help |
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| 08:43.32 | DasEi | hmm, offhead hdparm can do write performances ; sudo smartctl -t short /dev/whatever doesn't do the trick ? JyZyXEL |
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| 08:50.52 | ethanol | anyone here gmail savvy? or is there a gmail channel here? |
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| 09:17.53 | OpenTokix | hehe |
| 09:19.13 | joltcan | OpenTokix: hehe what? |
| 09:19.40 | peleg | Hi, I need help with trying to mount a mp4 player. after creating the appropriate folder, I've manually mounted it with "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/mp4". After that, I've copied files into /mnt/mp4, but it turn out they did not reach the usb-player, since after plugging it out I can still play files from /mnt/mp4 |
| 09:19.56 | OpenTokix | joltcan: Are you gmail savvy? =) |
| 09:20.05 | joltcan | OpenTokix: No :) |
| 09:20.14 | joltcan | OpenTokix: but how hard can it be |
| 09:20.22 | OpenTokix | joltcan: =) |
| 09:20.27 | OpenTokix | joltcan: hence "haha" =) |
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| 09:29.22 | MrTorque | why does parted not support ext3 filesystem?? |
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| 09:37.21 | _agn_ | peleg: is your player in MSC mode ? |
| 09:37.33 | _agn_ | acts as usb storage in MSC mode |
| 09:37.59 | peleg | _agn_, what is MSC? I have tried to switch it from "multidrive" to "normal only" mode. |
| 09:38.24 | _agn_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_mass_storage_device_class |
| 09:38.46 | _agn_ | switch to MSC, mount, cp, umount |
| 09:39.10 | _agn_ | check your players manual if it has one |
| 09:39.36 | peleg | _agn_, thanks, I'll try that. |
| 09:39.47 | _agn_ | k |
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| 09:45.09 | peleg | this cheap thing doesn't have a real manual! only a "quick start" silly paper... the problem that it does not let me unmounting, since it claims the device is busy now. |
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| 09:47.06 | peleg | tried with -f to force, but no help. the usb is already unplugged, but I can't unmount... |
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| 09:48.49 | simonrvn | check in 'mount' output ... |
| 09:49.06 | MrTorque | how do i set filesystem to fd? |
| 09:49.26 | simonrvn | you probably have to re-plug it in .. you should sync then unmount properly .. |
| 09:50.16 | peleg | simonrvn, "mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/mp4 busy" |
| 09:50.46 | peleg | same after plugin in |
| 09:50.59 | _agn_ | you unplugged it too soon |
| 09:51.10 | simonrvn | did you check 'mount' and /proc/mounts ? |
| 09:51.13 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 09:51.35 | peleg | I tried to unmount it, and since it did not work, I just unplugged it -- that's what happened... |
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| 09:52.07 | simonrvn | did you check 'mount' and /proc/mounts ? |
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| 09:52.44 | simonrvn | MrTorque: set the fs to file descriptor? |
| 09:53.02 | peleg | simonrvn, I wrote the output of "mount". /proc/mounts has "/dev/sda1 /mnt/mp4 ..." as a start |
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| 09:53.15 | simonrvn | ok, thanks |
| 09:53.31 | jelly | do bts commands work when sent to bug-number@bugs.d.o as part of a comment? |
| 09:54.09 | _agn_ | peleg: fuser -m /dev/sda1 |
| 09:54.14 | simonrvn | jelly: no idea |
| 09:54.34 | simonrvn | afk |
| 09:54.46 | peleg | simonrvn, 7691c |
| 09:55.09 | _agn_ | try kill -9 7691 |
| 09:55.29 | _agn_ | 7691 is the pid of the process that using /dev/sda1 |
| 09:55.39 | peleg | _agn_, hehe, it killed my bash! |
| 09:55.44 | jelly | ... |
| 09:55.48 | _agn_ | :) |
| 09:55.59 | _agn_ | see if its still mounted |
| 09:56.05 | peleg | checking. |
| 09:56.36 | peleg | ok, umount worked now. |
| 09:56.40 | peleg | I will unplug |
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| 09:57.53 | jelly | peleg: also, delete the device before unplugging |
| 09:58.02 | peleg | plugging. lsusb recognizes. dmesg gives "[sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk". everything looks ok. |
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| 09:58.27 | peleg | oh, which filesystem should it be? |
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| 09:58.46 | peleg | fstab gives ext3. |
| 09:59.42 | _agn_ | dmesg should give you more info on the device you just plugged in |
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| 10:00.44 | peleg | trying to mount it with ext3 gives "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sda1." |
| 10:00.56 | _agn_ | is it sda1 ? |
| 10:01.08 | _agn_ | [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk ?? |
| 10:01.27 | _agn_ | mp3 players are usually vfat |
| 10:02.01 | peleg | ah, I see. ok, I succeeded mounting it without specifying the filesystem... |
| 10:02.07 | MrTorque | do i need to set both partitions to fd for raid? |
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| 10:02.39 | _agn_ | fd or md ? |
| 10:02.51 | MrTorque | _agn_: fd |
| 10:02.54 | peleg | _agn_, though, still in /mnt/mp4 I see files that are not on the device, and I don't see the files that are on the device... |
| 10:03.09 | MrTorque | _agn_: at least this is what i read in http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-degraded-etch.html |
| 10:03.47 | _agn_ | peleg: you're prolly viewing system files on the player |
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| 10:04.11 | _agn_ | are you using multidrive mode ? |
| 10:04.54 | MrTorque | _agn_: i am just setting it up. i will create raid 1 and i guess this is multidrive (i use two harddrives for that). |
| 10:05.13 | _agn_ | MrTorque: that was for peleg |
| 10:05.22 | MrTorque | ^^ |
| 10:05.35 | _agn_ | MrTorque: fd is usually for floppy disks |
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| 10:05.48 | _agn_ | you create md devices for raid |
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| 10:06.34 | _agn_ | MrTorque: try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 10:06.48 | MrTorque | _agn_: yes, md (mapper device) and i use the fd (LINUX raid autodetect) filesys. |
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| 10:06.54 | MrTorque | okay, i'll check that out |
| 10:06.55 | peleg | _agn_, no, I am seeing files that I copied to there earlier. unmounting it did not erase them. |
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| 10:07.09 | _agn_ | didn't know about fd (LINUX raid autodetect) filesys |
| 10:07.16 | ehmo | hey guys. i'm wondering, how to allow 3 other cores for my python script on debian |
| 10:07.23 | ehmo | 1 [||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||100.0%] Tasks: 26 total, 2 running |
| 10:07.23 | ehmo | 2 [ 0.0%] Load average: 1.00 0.86 0.46 |
| 10:07.23 | ehmo | 3 [| 0.7%] Uptime: 00:44:48 |
| 10:07.23 | ehmo | 4 [ 0.0%] |
| 10:07.23 | ehmo | Mem[|||||||||||||||||||||| 4307/15865MB] |
| 10:07.23 | ehmo | Swp[ 0/31743MB] |
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| 10:07.31 | ehmo | hups |
| 10:07.41 | ehmo | http://pastebin.com/m1b4ebf28 |
| 10:08.08 | _agn_ | peleg: unmount the device and delete the files |
| 10:08.15 | peleg | _agn_, ok |
| 10:08.46 | peleg | _agn_, should I also unplug it? |
| 10:09.16 | _agn_ | nop |
| 10:09.20 | peleg | ok. |
| 10:09.38 | _agn_ | unmount and see if the files are there in /mnt/mp4 |
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| 10:09.54 | jelly | ehmo: is your script multithreaded? |
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| 10:10.02 | ehmo | no |
| 10:10.06 | jelly | well then... |
| 10:10.09 | ehmo | :\ |
| 10:10.17 | jelly | can you run four of them? |
| 10:10.33 | ehmo | yea but it will be worth of nothing |
| 10:11.15 | ehmo | i just though that it works simlar like on windows |
| 10:11.15 | peleg | _agn_, this is so silly. ls gives no file, but nautilus still sees them! and I can even play them from nautilus! |
| 10:11.15 | ehmo | which is distribuing everything by os |
| 10:11.33 | jelly | ehmo: it does work similar. If an application is threaded, it will use more than one core. If it's not, it won't. |
| 10:11.50 | sri__ | how to configure the groupshare on Samba |
| 10:11.57 | ehmo | on windows it doesn't care, it will be separated to every core by os |
| 10:12.17 | ehmo | ok thnx for help |
| 10:12.19 | _agn_ | peleg: refresh nautilus |
| 10:12.24 | peleg | oh, come on!! I can see the files in one screen window, and on another screen I can't! It is as if I have two different filedisks! |
| 10:13.03 | peleg | one bash sees it all, one bash sees nothing |
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| 10:13.33 | peleg | I mean, ls gives a list on one screen, and nothing on the other. |
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| 10:14.07 | MrTorque | I am stuck creating raid1, can someone help? http://pastebin.ca/1719280 what should i do: mdadm: /dev/sdb1 appears to contain an ext2fs file system |
| 10:14.08 | _agn_ | on teh screen where you get the listing, run hash -r |
| 10:14.34 | peleg | _agn_, thanks. Still get the list. |
| 10:15.27 | peleg | _agn_, also hash -r on the window without the listing, does not change the situation. |
| 10:16.15 | sri__ | can i use /etc/auto.master to mount the SMB file system??? |
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| 10:17.20 | _agn_ | MrTorque: answer yes to the question |
| 10:17.37 | MrTorque | _agn_: at your risk :P |
| 10:17.54 | _agn_ | :) |
| 10:17.55 | MrTorque | _agn_: i get mdadm: array /dev/md0 started. |
| 10:18.50 | _agn_ | you have created the device |
| 10:19.40 | MrTorque | now i need to create ext3 fs on that, right? |
| 10:20.17 | _agn_ | iirc, yes |
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| 10:21.18 | MrTorque | thanks |
| 10:23.31 | sri__ | Any documents for RAID??? |
| 10:24.08 | peleg | _agn_, I am lost in it. I think of giving up. I unmounted it again, the files were gone. I mounted it, copied a file into /mnt/mp4, umounted, checked and the file is still in /mnt/mp4, and I can play it from there; it looks like it is not on the device at all! |
| 10:24.20 | MrTorque | sri__: i basiclly used http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-degraded-etch.html and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=626181 since i wanted to create raid of NOT YET USED drives. |
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| 10:26.35 | _agn_ | peleg: did you change the mode ? |
| 10:27.10 | peleg | _agn_, the mode is now "normal mode" and not "multidrive mode". |
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| 10:27.42 | _agn_ | try munting it in multidrive mode |
| 10:27.45 | _agn_ | *mounting |
| 10:28.15 | peleg | ok |
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| 10:31.14 | peleg | did it, copied new files, and now it won't let me umount it (since bash probably "uses" it) |
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| 10:32.12 | peleg | killed bash. umounted. files are still in /mnt/mp4, and probably not on the device. |
| 10:32.23 | _agn_ | don;t kill bash |
| 10:32.34 | _agn_ | it will take some time to copy the files |
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| 10:32.42 | _agn_ | wait some time |
| 10:32.50 | peleg | ok. |
| 10:32.52 | _agn_ | cd ~ |
| 10:32.54 | _agn_ | then umount |
| 10:35.16 | peleg | _agn_, did it. It did umount now. still, cd /mnt/mp4, after umounting, and ls, gives the .wav file. |
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| 10:35.38 | peleg | and I can play it, even after unplugging the device. |
| 10:35.51 | _agn_ | peleg hi |
| 10:35.54 | _agn_ | err |
| 10:36.11 | peleg | _agn_ hi back |
| 10:37.03 | _agn_ | peleg: pm |
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| 11:00.08 | do0ob | hi |
| 11:00.40 | do0ob | where do the kernel messages come from? they ask to send data to kerneloops |
| 11:01.12 | CyrusYzGTt | I'm use abrt to report |
| 11:01.12 | do0ob | they show up in xorg which is pretty cool |
| 11:01.31 | KnuckOne | !kerneloops |
| 11:01.39 | KnuckOne | hu |
| 11:01.51 | KnuckOne | do0ob: see for kerneloops |
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| 11:02.48 | do0ob | !kerneloops |
| 11:02.59 | do0ob | where is dpkg? |
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| 11:03.34 | KnuckOne | anyway it doesn't know about it :P |
| 11:03.39 | KnuckOne | you can /msg it |
| 11:03.41 | CyrusYzGTt | .....I'm use fedora12....so maybe |
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| 11:27.26 | wedge | Is there any way to perform a similar command such as rpm --verify in debian? For example if fsck finds some files and puts it in /lost+found after an unclean shutdown . |
| 11:27.38 | d1b | wedge: what does that do? |
| 11:27.54 | wedge | just verify integrity of .deb installed software |
| 11:28.01 | wedge | well in this case .rpm |
| 11:28.13 | d1b | wedge: there is such a tool. |
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| 11:28.39 | azeem_ | wedge: there is debsums |
| 11:28.43 | wedge | anyone know what it is called? ok |
| 11:28.57 | azeem_ | it's probably not the same as rpm --verify though |
| 11:29.34 | wedge | I'll check it out |
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| 11:29.50 | wedge | debsums sounds like what I want |
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| 11:30.09 | d1b | a2: do you know if secure apt still uses md5sums ? |
| 11:30.40 | azeem_ | d1b: eh, why do you ask a2? |
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| 11:31.01 | d1b | azeem_: because md5 is not the best |
| 11:31.13 | azeem_ | that doesn't answer my question |
| 11:31.56 | d1b | azeem_: erh i mean you |
| 11:31.57 | d1b | not a2 |
| 11:32.12 | azeem_ | also, I don't know what you mean with secure apt |
| 11:32.41 | d1b | azeem_: apt atm. |
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| 11:38.54 | amine | hey, how can I list all installed packages (preferably ones not installed as dependencies to others)? |
| 11:39.27 | nano | hello. one irssi script says this when i try to load it. (debian lenny 64bit): |
| 11:39.29 | nano | Can't locate Time/Duration.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/nano/.irssi/scripts |
| 11:39.29 | nano | /usr/share/irssi/scripts /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 |
| 11:39.33 | nano | /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/share/perl/5.10 |
| 11:39.36 | nano | /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 2624) line 26. |
| 11:39.54 | Stereo | nano: http://packages.debian.org/file:Duration.pm |
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| 11:41.09 | penta | hi anybody use xdmcp, remode kde control... it similar with lirc, actually I tries save my session, i.e. by default situation if my client station hibernate I lose my terminal session runs ono the term server. How avoid termination terminal session? |
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| 11:43.05 | nano | Stereo: thanks! got it working |
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| 11:43.49 | Stereo | nano: np :) |
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| 11:49.42 | Milos_SD | Hi |
| 11:49.56 | Milos_SD | can someone help me with this error: http://pastebin.com/m3a6cd430 |
| 11:50.39 | Milos_SD | I see that anything above 2.6.32 can't compile :S |
| 11:50.56 | Milos_SD | I couldn't compile linux-next, and now I can't compile 2.6.33-rc1 |
| 11:51.15 | Milos_SD | what file do I need to change (and how) to make it work? |
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| 12:19.54 | trapmax | experiences running "smartctl -t long" on running system? |
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| 12:21.31 | joltcan | trapmax: I do that every year or so on the fileserver, seems to work fine |
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| 12:26.21 | EvilGuru | I run a Debian Squeeze system. Currently I have 2.6.31-trunk from Experimental (~2 months old). I would like 2.6.31 (real) or 2.6.32, what are my best options? |
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| 12:27.30 | jelly | judd: kernels |
| 12:27.32 | judd | jelly: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 12:28.15 | jelly | EvilGuru: there's also a 2.6.32-trunk in unstable. |
| 12:28.43 | EvilGuru | Okay, so Squeeze is still not on 2.6.31, I'll wait |
| 12:29.02 | EvilGuru | (2.6.30 does not work correctly with my laptop) |
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| 12:36.52 | et | EvilGuru: backporting a kernel is easy and painless |
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| 12:37.35 | et | at home i'm running lenny with the .32-trunk kernel |
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| 12:48.35 | rdz | hi all. when rsnapshot, which is a perl script, is launched by cron, it says: "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." When i run perl as root, i don't see such an error. i thought i was able to fix locales issues by running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'. any idea, why rsnapshot still complains about not being able to set locale? |
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| 12:49.50 | willluongoatwork | what is your whole cron? |
| 12:49.52 | willluongoatwork | rdz: |
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| 12:50.07 | wintix | how would one tweak the queue depth of the underlying drives of a software-raid built with mdadm to enforce drive ncq not being used? |
| 12:50.48 | rdz | willluongoatwork, what do you mean? would like to see the whole entry? |
| 12:50.55 | willluongoatwork | yes please |
| 12:51.30 | rdz | willluongoatwork, 0 4 * * * root /root/bin/backup.sh daily |
| 12:51.46 | rdz | willluongoatwork, actually the rsnapshot command is launched by that script |
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| 12:53.15 | willluongoatwork | rdz: what if you take out the root and daily from the entry? |
| 12:53.38 | rdz | willluongoatwork, this is the script: http://pastebin.com/m3c9cf4fc |
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| 12:54.07 | rdz | willluongoatwork, the daily is a mandatory argument |
| 12:54.26 | rdz | willluongoatwork, and i need it to run as root, since it creates a backup of the whole system |
| 12:54.36 | willluongoatwork | for the script? I don't see it checking for an argument |
| 12:54.55 | willluongoatwork | if you put it in root's crontab it will run as root |
| 12:55.11 | rdz | willluongoatwork, for the script itself it is not mandatary , but it is for the rsnapshot command... |
| 12:55.25 | willluongoatwork | oh nevermind I see the argument getting passed to rsnapshot |
| 12:55.26 | willluongoatwork | yeah |
| 12:55.29 | rdz | willluongoatwork, however, i'll try it anyway. this way i can cause an error |
| 12:56.06 | rdz | so i should be able to test, if the error only comes, when cron starts the job or also, when i start it manually as root |
| 12:56.11 | willluongoatwork | so if you run the command 'rsnapshot daily' in a prompt it works, but as part of the script it doesnt? |
| 12:56.37 | rdz | willluongoatwork, i haven't tested it that way, since i don't want to create an unnecessary backup |
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| 12:58.05 | hid3nax | Good afternoon. I'm running debian lenny on a machine with Intel Core2 due CPU. In /proc/cpuinfo I see that my CPU MHz is actually dimmed dow to 1600 MHz (instead of 2800 MHz expected). How do I turn off that cpu dimming? I guess this is somewhat power saving mode... |
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| 12:58.34 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 12:59.42 | rdz | willluongoatwork, when i launch this: /root/bin/backup.sh asdf, i don't see a line from perl complaining about locales |
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| 13:00.17 | mcgreg | I have bene trying to compile the 2.6.33-rc1 kernel from kernel.org .. but I get an error after compiling but before packaging (as far as I undertand) -> http://pastebin.com/m6073aed6 |
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| 13:00.29 | mcgreg | does anyone have an idea whats wrong there? |
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| 13:01.29 | rdz | willluongoatwork, hm.. only when cron starts the job, i get the error... it seems, that perl misses some envvars when launched be cron. or it has wrong envvars |
| 13:02.00 | willluongoatwork | you might try explicitly using all paths in that script |
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| 13:03.30 | gpkvt | hid3nax: you don't have to, your cpu will run at 2800mhz automatically when needed, if you want to disable this function anyway, take a look at your BIOS settings |
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| 13:04.10 | willluongoatwork | hid3nax: are you using gnome? |
| 13:04.57 | hid3nax | willluongoatwork: yes, using gnome. |
| 13:05.24 | hid3nax | gpkvt: I run a tar'ing script and it doesn't restore to original power. It runs dimmed even the script usees bot CPUs at 100% |
| 13:05.37 | hid3nax | when I run a benchmark, yes, it runs full power then. |
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| 13:07.26 | willluongoatwork | hid3nax: you should be able to add cpu scaling monitor to your bar, and then set it to performance mode |
| 13:07.44 | gpkvt | hid3nax: iirc there is a gnome applet to monitor the speedstep settings, it could also override the values |
| 13:08.04 | willluongoatwork | hid3nax: what gpkvt said :) |
| 13:08.04 | hid3nax | Will look at these, thanks. |
| 13:13.48 | rdz | willluongoatwork, i created a perl script, that only contains a one liner: print 'foobar'; . when this is executed by cron, i get perl warnings about locale again. so it does not seem related to paths but i guess to having different environment variables set, when started by cron |
| 13:14.16 | rdz | willluongoatwork, when starting the script in a bash, i only see the output of the print command |
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| 13:15.07 | willluongoatwork | I'm sorry I can't help more, perl is not my specialty rdz :) |
| 13:15.19 | willluongoatwork | but it does sound like an environment issue |
| 13:15.20 | rdz | willluongoatwork, no problem. thanks for your help anyway |
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| 13:15.37 | xreal | Is it okay to try this on Debian Lenny? http://weblog.patrice.ch/2009/01/14/install-python-2-6-on-debian-etch.html |
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| 13:16.27 | willluongoatwork | xreal: do you just want to install python 2.6? or are you actually wanting to make a package? |
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| 13:17.23 | xreal | willluongoatwork: I would like to create a package, to install it when problems occure. |
| 13:17.40 | alys | Advice, please: I have ordered a new 'puter with a Nvidia graphics card. When I install debian - it will come without an OS - can I use a 'standard' graphics driver or must it be an nvidia driver? Thanks. |
| 13:18.08 | Titan8990 | alys, standard works fine if you don't need 3d acceleration |
| 13:18.17 | alys | Thanks a lot! |
| 13:18.22 | willluongoatwork | xreal: it should be pretty close if not the same process |
| 13:18.58 | xreal | okay ... can I destroy my Lenny when upgrading to 2.6 ? |
| 13:19.31 | Titan8990 | xreal, yep, easily |
| 13:20.08 | Titan8990 | xreal, you typically never want to upgrade python versions in any distro. a concorrent install is what your looking for if you *have* to have 2.6 |
| 13:20.23 | willluongoatwork | I was going to suggest installing in /opt :) |
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| 13:20.44 | Titan8990 | willluongoatwork, that wouldn't be FHS compliant |
| 13:20.46 | xreal | willluongoatwork & Titan8990: Oh okay. And howtos on this? |
| 13:21.34 | willluongoatwork | Titan8990: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES ? |
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| 13:22.09 | willluongoatwork | I am not trying to be clever, I do not know why that would not be compliant |
| 13:22.42 | xreal | Titan8990: Do you have some kind of HowTo for this process? |
| 13:23.30 | xreal | Something like this? make prefix=opt/python2.6/usr install |
| 13:23.30 | Titan8990 | willluongoatwork, idk, i wouldn't really think of it as an "add-on software package"... so I would think /usr/local/ would be more suitable |
| 13:24.17 | Titan8990 | xreal, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPythonFAQ#Multiplepythonversionssupport |
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| 13:24.28 | xreal | Titan8990: thx |
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| 13:48.09 | mcgreg | hey jelly , maybe you remember that you tried to help me with that kms/framebuffer problem.. well, after doing apt-get upgrade today the problem magically disappear the same way it appeared. just wanted to tell you and thx you for your help again |
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| 13:51.20 | rpgdude | does anyone know if the adobe flex sdk has been packaged for debian? |
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| 13:56.51 | rpgdude | it doesnt look like it has |
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| 13:57.52 | babilen | xreal: are you still searching for a good way to install Python 2.6 on Debian (sorry, late to the party) |
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| 13:59.19 | zrin | I'm doing NAT (shorewall) - a strage problem emerged with outgoing UDP packets: for each packet on the internal interface, tcpdump shows two (!) packets on the external interface: |
| 13:59.29 | zrin | internal: 14:23:18.200631 IP 192.168.205.111.5069 > 194.120.0.198.5060: SIP, length: 614 |
| 13:59.48 | zrin | external1: 14:23:22.190625 IP 62.178.201.205.5069 > 194.120.0.198.5060: SIP, length: 544 |
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| 14:00.01 | zrin | external2: 14:23:22.190739 IP 62.178.201.205 > 194.120.0.198: udp |
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| 14:00.15 | zrin | I'll be very thankful for any hints |
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| 14:01.29 | zrin | I'm using VLAN on the local side; there was no problem with other applications whatsoever; kernel ist debian 2.6.26-2-686, the same happens with 2.6.30 |
| 14:02.08 | poisonbit | zrin, which tcpdump line are you using |
| 14:02.10 | poisonbit | ? |
| 14:02.27 | poisonbit | tcpdump in GNU sucks, it doesn't print interface names as in bsd |
| 14:02.39 | poisonbit | maybe normal that you see 2 packets |
| 14:02.45 | poisonbit | (one in each interface) |
| 14:03.02 | poisonbit | e.g. in a br (bridge) interface and others |
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| 14:04.19 | poisonbit | you can add -XX etc too see packets |
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| 14:04.31 | poisonbit | maybe that packet1 != packet2 |
| 14:05.35 | poisonbit | if the router is doint mtu spliting, you can view 2 packets in 1 interface and 1 in other interface |
| 14:05.39 | poisonbit | *going |
| 14:05.46 | poisonbit | doing |
| 14:05.50 | poisonbit | argh! |
| 14:06.08 | TommiH | Hi! I would like to create a keyboard shortcut in gconf for launching a terminal application. How should I define the command, so that it opens up a terminal with the application I want to launch? |
| 14:06.17 | zrin | poisonbit: internal: tcpdump -i vlan205 -n host 77.72.169.129 or host 194.120.0.198 |
| 14:06.33 | zrin | poisonbit: external: tcpdump -i eth0 -n host 77.72.169.129 or host 194.120.0.198 |
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| 14:07.22 | babilen | TommiH: http://www.captain.at/howto-gnome-custom-hotkey-keyboard-shortcut.php might help (or google yourself) |
| 14:07.23 | zrin | poisonbit: there shouldn't be any splitting with 614+overhead packet length |
| 14:07.35 | poisonbit | zrin, you should inspect packets, see what they have |
| 14:07.43 | poisonbit | spliting is not related to load |
| 14:07.45 | zrin | poisonbit: ok |
| 14:07.48 | poisonbit | is about packet sice |
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| 14:07.50 | poisonbit | size |
| 14:07.58 | babilen | TommiH: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels might be helpful as well |
| 14:08.11 | zrin | poisonbit: yes, and the size is low; mtu is >1300 |
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| 14:11.35 | poisonbit | zrin, is mtu of vlan215 != that mtu in eth0 ? |
| 14:12.00 | poisonbit | pste.debian.net -> ifconfig vlan215 ; ifconfig eth0 |
| 14:12.02 | poisonbit | paste |
| 14:12.04 | TommiH | babilen: thanks! Gonna look into those irc channels. i used that paricular guide when assgning my other shortcut keys, but that doesn't seem to work for terminal apps, or then I'm missing something. |
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| 14:13.07 | babilen | TommiH: Ok, I don't know how to do that in GNOME, but the channels on gimpnet used to be quite active. There is also a (small) ##gnome here on freenode .. Good luck! |
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| 14:13.32 | zrin | poisonbit: hmm, yes, I see now MTU of eth0 is only 576 !? |
| 14:13.37 | poisonbit | :) |
| 14:13.40 | poisonbit | voilá |
| 14:13.59 | zrin | now the question is how did it get that mtu :/ |
| 14:14.03 | babilen | TommiH: Ah, another idea ... You say you can't launch terminal apps, but all other work fine? |
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| 14:15.44 | poisonbit | zrin, mtu has autodiscovery i thing, it is negotiated or something like |
| 14:16.09 | poisonbit | see net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc in sysctl |
| 14:16.14 | zrin | poisonbit: yes, but still |
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| 14:16.44 | zrin | mtu 576 is kind of low |
| 14:16.52 | zrin | ... for cable modem (?) |
| 14:16.54 | poisonbit | and there was some Debian release notes about tcp_window_scaling |
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| 14:17.34 | poisonbit | zrin, I don't know, maybe for cablemodem -> rj45 -> eth |
| 14:17.41 | poisonbit | zrin, try a switch |
| 14:18.19 | poisonbit | zrin, anyway, if in auto it goes to that number, maybe you packets will get that size at any point |
| 14:18.24 | poisonbit | after the cablemodem |
| 14:18.44 | zrin | ip_no_pmtu_disc is 0 |
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| 14:18.51 | AlainDelon | LondonABC.co.uk is your exclusive guide to all that London has to offer. |
| 14:18.51 | AlainDelon | Whether you are looking for London Sightseeing Tour, London Eye, London Underground, Theatre Tickets, Nightlife, Hotels in London, London restaurants or even Shopping locations - LondonABC.co.uk is your one-stop guide to all that makes London a great city. |
| 14:19.22 | poisonbit | zrin, if you want to disable discovery, put a 1 | i don't know if it is best practice |
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| 14:20.46 | zrin | poisonbit: I'll have to check that ... but my problem (failing sip connection to a distinct provider) is possibly not related to mtu / packet splitting |
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| 14:22.55 | MaximusBrood| | I'm trying to find out if a server has a dualcore (Intel) CPU, or only has hyperthreading enabled so two CPUs show up in /proc/cpuinfo. How can I make this distinction? |
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| 14:23.47 | poisonbit | Maxdamantus, lshw or dmidecode, and search especifications in the manufaturer of the board/processor |
| 14:23.55 | MaximusBrood| | Alright, thanks. |
| 14:24.02 | Maxdamantus | Hi. |
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| 14:24.10 | poisonbit | aptitue install lshw ; lshw | more |
| 14:24.40 | poisonbit | sorry Maxdamantus the message was for MaximusBrood| |
| 14:24.48 | poisonbit | zrin, do you get any error, log, or something? |
| 14:24.50 | Maxdamantus | Yeah dw. |
| 14:25.42 | poisonbit | Maxdamantus, also maybe there is some flag for that in cpuinfo |
| 14:25.59 | poisonbit | ^^^MaximusBrood|, |
| 14:26.00 | zrin | poisonbit: it seems that despite of DNAT rules, some incoming packets do not reach the SIP device (asterisk) |
| 14:26.19 | MaximusBrood| | poisonbit: It does have the ht (hyperthreading) flag, but I'm unsure because a dualcore could have hyperthreading as well. |
| 14:26.42 | zrin | poisonbit: I have to do more testing to identify which packets get lost and when |
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| 14:26.58 | poisonbit | zrin, have you try -LOG in the problematic rules ? |
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| 14:27.35 | zrin | poisonbit: I'm using tcpdump now, I'll try logging as well |
| 14:27.51 | poisonbit | MaximusBrood|, lshw will get the serial number -> intel specifications :) |
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| 14:28.25 | thunderstrike | I'm migrating apache websites from Debian 4.0 to Debian 5.0 using rsync... Now, here is the issue with me: Some files for the websites belong to a user say User1 with these details |
| 14:28.27 | thunderstrike | user1:x:1009:1011:example1.com:/home/example1.com:/usr/bin/scponly |
| 14:28.49 | thunderstrike | But on the New server, this user does not exist.. |
| 14:29.04 | thunderstrike | So if I create user with same UID & GID |
| 14:29.09 | Titan8990 | thunderstrike, create the user with the same uid and gid |
| 14:29.18 | thunderstrike | it shud work... |
| 14:29.27 | Titan8990 | thunderstrike, yep |
| 14:29.35 | xoz | thunderstrike: use useradd or adduser then change id after |
| 14:29.38 | TheJoe | Wow. "rm -rf .wine" just made PulseAudio crash - what a strange, strange phenomenon |
| 14:29.40 | zrin | poisonbit: I did ipconfig eth0 mtu 1500 ... and the SIP-Problem went away! |
| 14:29.54 | MaximusBrood| | poisonbit: lshw shows two CPUs, each residing in a different slot. However, with CPU #2, all caches are noted to be disabled. I can't find any 'serial number' too. |
| 14:29.54 | zrin | strange |
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| 14:30.13 | thunderstrike | on Old server gid of www-data group is 1011 but on the New server it is 33, so shud i change it ? |
| 14:30.20 | poisonbit | MaximusBrood|, do you have the sse3 flag in cpuinfo ? |
| 14:30.32 | thunderstrike | I hope it shud not hamper anything else.. |
| 14:30.36 | thunderstrike | plz suggest |
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| 14:31.54 | poisonbit | zrin, you can hardcode mtu in the interfaces file |
| 14:32.11 | xoz | thunderstrike: have a record first of all files having www-data group... then chage the id and ch the group |
| 14:32.15 | poisonbit | zgrep mtu /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 14:32.30 | MaximusBrood| | poisonbit: It does not. So that rules out any CPU's from after 2004, thereby dualcores. It doesn't rule out two physical CPUs however. |
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| 14:33.46 | thunderstrike | thanks guys.. doing that.. |
| 14:34.00 | xoz | thunderstrike: the moment you change the id of group, those previous files with www-data will no longer have correct group |
| 14:34.20 | thunderstrike | okhe... then how to rectify that issue.. |
| 14:34.46 | xoz | use chgrp or chown user:group to renew their group |
| 14:34.48 | thunderstrike | the New server is a Fresh server which I need to setup.. |
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| 14:34.58 | zrin | poisonbit: I had mtu 1500 in /etc/network/interfaces, but it didn't help |
| 14:35.37 | xoz | thunderstrike: if it is new and no web-related installs yet, i think you can change www-data group id with not much problem. |
| 14:35.52 | thunderstrike | xoz: okhe ... thanks |
| 14:35.55 | poisonbit | zrin, then you need to file a bug in bugs.debian.org in the ifupdown package, after review current bugs :) |
| 14:36.33 | poisonbit | zrin, if ifupdown mtu doesn't work after doing ifdown eth0; ifup eth0... |
| 14:36.46 | poisonbit | you can use pre-up, up, down, and post-down scripts |
| 14:36.52 | poisonbit | in your interface |
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| 14:38.01 | poisonbit | srin, something like adding in the eth0 lines: up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500 |
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| 14:38.07 | xoz | thunderstrike: or you can try first find / -group www-data > data.txt |
| 14:38.09 | poisonbit | ^^^zrin |
| 14:38.26 | xoz | thunderstrike: to have the list of files with www-data group before changing the id of the group |
| 14:38.27 | clebig | hi all |
| 14:38.33 | thunderstrike | xoz: gr8 tip... thanks for that :) |
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| 14:40.45 | yareckon | hi guys, any way to set new files in a dir to be owned by a particular user regardless off which user created them? |
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| 14:41.28 | hikenboot | hello --if i have a raid 1 array with 3 lvm volumes /,/home ,/data and a non lvm /boot on raid 1...will this fail gracefully if i shutdown and disconnect a drive? Will the data on the drive still be available, will i need to do anything to get it to boot? |
| 14:41.37 | yareckon | I know the gid bit equivalent chmod g+s |
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| 14:42.21 | hikenboot | i have seen it before in ubuntu where it asks if you want it to boot with a failed member but cant remember if it asked the same thing in the latest debian |
| 14:42.28 | hikenboot | debian stable |
| 14:42.42 | zrin | poisonbit: ok, I'll try to find out more about the problem |
| 14:42.55 | yareckon | hikenboot, if it's really raid one it should, right? |
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| 14:43.13 | poisonbit | zrin, good luck |
| 14:43.18 | hikenboot | "it should" is what i am afraid of! |
| 14:43.29 | zrin | poisonbit: I assume thet mtu in interfaces sets the start value, but discovery changes it afterwards |
| 14:43.43 | hikenboot | unfortunately i need the second drive for something very important and cant afford one |
| 14:44.04 | poisonbit | mmm you can try, the interface startup + the sysctl values for disabling descovery |
| 14:44.17 | poisonbit | ^^^zrin |
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| 14:44.44 | hikenboot | if i disconnect it and it fails to boot can i shut it down and reconnect it and expect it to sync up? |
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| 14:45.28 | poisonbit | hikenboot, you need the boot loader in both hard disks |
| 14:45.47 | hikenboot | how do i verify that it is there, i think it is! |
| 14:45.51 | MrTorque | hi. I need some help with raid+luks. I did create a raid /dev/md0, created a partition /dev/md0p1 and now cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/md0p1 tells: Can not access device |
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| 14:46.06 | MrTorque | i am root and /dev/md0p1 is not mounted. |
| 14:46.18 | MrTorque | how can i access the device?? |
| 14:46.39 | poisonbit | hikenboot, what is "doesn't boot"? do you see any boot loader after the BIOS with the failing disk ? |
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| 14:47.22 | hikenboot | poisonbit , havent tried it , just dont want to go past a point of no return if you know what i mean |
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| 14:49.44 | hid3nax | How do I configure vino server? |
| 14:50.01 | hid3nax | It doesn't start automatically |
| 14:50.51 | poisonbit | hikenboot, asuming you have /boot in /dev/sda1 in both disks: http://paste.debian.net/54365/ |
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| 14:52.22 | poisonbit | hikenboot, anyway, the mbr boot loader, is not related to raid or lvm, only launch grub |
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| 14:56.21 | hikenboot | ok, just to ask one more time if i disconnect a drive and try to boot and it fails can i shut it down and reconnect the drive and expect it to sync up? |
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| 14:56.42 | hikenboot | i am sure a few bits somewhere will change |
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| 14:56.59 | santiago | hello folks |
| 14:57.20 | poisonbit | hikenboot, sure, e.g. logs |
| 14:57.32 | santiago | looks like my sshd started to hate me... sshd[9728]: refused connect from ... |
| 14:57.40 | poisonbit | hikenboot, anyway the sync will be from most_modern->most_old |
| 14:57.50 | santiago | is there a way to get out of this trouble? i'm still having 1 session open and fully running.. please help |
| 14:57.53 | hikenboot | oh ok then i am not so worried! |
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| 14:57.59 | santiago | restarting sshd didn't help |
| 14:58.00 | hikenboot | thanks have a good day! |
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| 14:58.40 | petemc | !tell santiago about debug sshd |
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| 14:59.10 | santiago | many thanks petemc.. should i consider -p 2222 as my current sshd listen port? |
| 14:59.30 | petemc | santiago: could be /etc/hosts.deny or a blacklisted key, ssh debug will tell you |
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| 15:00.04 | santiago | i tried using some monitoring daemon that logs attempts of connecting to certain ports.. could be it but i forgot what on earth was it named |
| 15:00.12 | poisonbit | santiago, only for automated scanings of _only_ port 22 in your subnet |
| 15:00.16 | santiago | i used wrong pass twice today and puff |
| 15:00.24 | petemc | santiago: it will probably be that |
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| 15:00.51 | santiago | petemc that debug option... it's listening on 2222 now |
| 15:00.54 | santiago | should i try to connect? |
| 15:01.04 | poisonbit | santiago, now you need to thell that daemon, that your ip is not blacklisted |
| 15:01.12 | poisonbit | maybe iptables or maybe hosts.denny |
| 15:01.32 | poisonbit | or wherever is configured in your daemon for protecting ssh atempts |
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| 15:01.40 | santiago | i damn forgot |
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| 15:01.48 | nymeria | Hi there #debian, I'm having issues with my sound. I just reinstalled debian on this laptop, and the sound worked well on Lenny before I reinstalled |
| 15:01.56 | poisonbit | iptables -L -n | grep yourIP |
| 15:01.58 | santiago | should i just grep / to find my ip? |
| 15:02.09 | petemc | santiago: look in /etc/hosts.deny , do you see a list of ips? |
| 15:02.16 | xoz | 22:59 -!- surlyjake [n=jacob@exchange.hwlochner.com] has joined #debian |
| 15:02.16 | xoz | 23:00 -!- a2 [n=tom@cake.freenode.net] has left #debian [] |
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| 15:02.24 | santiago | hm tried iptables and it's not there, poisonbit |
| 15:02.24 | rgr | nymeria: silly I know, but usually you need to unmute it usling alsamixer... |
| 15:02.26 | nymeria | I am now getting this:alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory when I try to run alsamixer |
| 15:02.31 | santiago | petemc checking hosts.deny |
| 15:02.42 | rgr | ouch |
| 15:02.55 | santiago | YES petemc... there it is... |
| 15:02.59 | santiago | and many others too.. |
| 15:03.09 | petemc | so you know what to do... |
| 15:03.10 | poisonbit | delete your ip |
| 15:03.10 | santiago | so the daemon is writing there.. |
| 15:03.13 | santiago | yes.. |
| 15:03.14 | poisonbit | yes |
| 15:03.33 | poisonbit | there are many daemons for that, ones uses that file, other iptebles, ... etc |
| 15:03.34 | santiago | btw the daemon name is DenyHosts |
| 15:03.40 | santiago | it seems to be quite cool lol |
| 15:03.41 | poisonbit | :) |
| 15:04.07 | santiago | i set rules like 2 wrong passwords and 12h ban.. one more attempt from same ip = permban... |
| 15:04.14 | santiago | i think i should loosen those rules a bit |
| 15:04.23 | petemc | or learn how to type |
| 15:04.31 | santiago | OR exempt my ip from that daemon |
| 15:04.39 | xoz | nymeria: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 15:04.40 | petemc | or use keys |
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| 15:04.52 | poisonbit | santiago, you should add to hosts.allow your known ips |
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| 15:05.00 | santiago | errr i still can't connect |
| 15:05.10 | santiago | poisonbit so hosts.allow > hosts.deny |
| 15:05.16 | poisonbit | yup |
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| 15:06.02 | santiago | dances |
| 15:06.12 | santiago | many, many thanks petemc and poisonbit |
| 15:06.22 | santiago | adding my ip to hosts.allow helped and solved the problem |
| 15:06.35 | santiago | because after cleaning hosts.deny, as soon as i tried to ssh in... i got added there again... |
| 15:06.43 | poisonbit | and now you can make >3 atemps from your ip |
| 15:06.47 | santiago | damn i got really scared |
| 15:07.04 | poisonbit | maybe a bug in python :) |
| 15:07.09 | santiago | i could have gotten blacklisted forever.. |
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| 15:07.15 | joltcan | I like fail2ban, the same thing but with iptables |
| 15:07.31 | santiago | joltcan i will give it a try for sure |
| 15:07.32 | nymeria | Oh yeah it was so that the driver is not included because the license for the driver is unknown. One has to get used to FOSS extremism |
| 15:08.08 | poisonbit | nymeria, not extremism. Legality |
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| 15:09.37 | MrTorque | i think i figured it out.. the raid is read only. how do i change this? |
| 15:09.52 | MrTorque | cat /proc/mdstat tells: md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sdb1[0] sdc1[1] |
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| 15:10.46 | nymeria | poisonbit: I will not troll but one has to admit that the debian policy is very hard on binary blobs and propitary code. Understandably so from a developer standpoint but unhandy for the user |
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| 15:11.09 | poisonbit | nymeria, hard no, legal. |
| 15:11.23 | eshat | how can I replace the third chracter in each line with a point using sed ? |
| 15:11.24 | poisonbit | blame upstream for not licensing, or file a but in upstream bug tracker |
| 15:12.01 | nymeria | poisonbit: Marry Christmas anyways |
| 15:12.16 | poisonbit | Marry christmas nymeria :) |
| 15:12.25 | eshat | or how can I replace only the first "-" in each line with a point but ignore all following "-" ??? |
| 15:12.32 | nymeria | Presuming that you do celebrate it :P |
| 15:12.45 | joltcan | eshat: s/-/./? |
| 15:12.58 | MrTorque | okay, i did mdadm --misc --readwrite /dev/md0 and i think, i can write now. how do i set this for default (booting9?? |
| 15:13.16 | poisonbit | joltcan, s/^-/./ onli "beginning of line + -" |
| 15:13.20 | poisonbit | only |
| 15:13.30 | hid3nax | How do I disable that annoying blinking cursor in gnome terminal? I mean, how do I make it stable, not blinking? ;-( |
| 15:13.33 | eshat | poisonbit: right.... thank you |
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| 15:13.47 | eshat | joltcan: thanks to you too, the backspace was missing |
| 15:13.48 | joltcan | poisonbit: No, eshat wrote "first", not beginning of line :) |
| 15:13.58 | xoz | poisonbit: first occurrence is not similar to first in the line |
| 15:13.58 | poisonbit | right |
| 15:14.06 | poisonbit | sorry |
| 15:14.09 | joltcan | .D |
| 15:14.12 | joltcan | +. |
| 15:14.44 | petemc | hid3nax: did you even look in the gnome terminal settings before you asked? |
| 15:14.55 | poisonbit | hid3nax, gnome usually stores options in gconf-editor |
| 15:15.00 | hid3nax | petemc: yes of course!!! |
| 15:15.08 | petemc | theres an option for blinking cursor |
| 15:15.22 | hid3nax | No it isn't |
| 15:15.26 | hid3nax | at least I can't find it |
| 15:15.47 | rgr | hid3nax: tr googling "gnome-terminal blinking cursor". http://www.jurta.org/en/prog/noblink |
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| 15:16.13 | hid3nax | Thanks... I hate having my system reinstalled ;-( |
| 15:16.26 | xoz | eshat: you can do this inside vim.... :%s/-/./ |
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| 15:17.19 | eshat | xoz: sed worked already, and I am a emacs user, so the combination v i and m is locked on my computer |
| 15:17.42 | petemc | locked? |
| 15:17.52 | xoz | !start an editor war |
| 15:17.52 | dpkg | ae users need to get laid |
| 15:17.59 | eshat | it was sed "s/\./-/" file |
| 15:18.12 | xoz | eshat: precisely same with vim |
| 15:18.13 | petemc | no -i ? |
| 15:18.26 | eshat | petemc: yes wiht -i |
| 15:19.14 | eshat | thanks guys, have nice christmas days.... bye |
| 15:19.15 | hid3nax | I'm dumb. I don't have cursor_blink_mode option in my gconf-editor under gnome-terminal/profiles ;( |
| 15:19.40 | poisonbit | hid3nax, you can create new values in gconf |
| 15:19.44 | petemc | hid3nax: if you edit current profile, you should have an option to turn off blinking cursor |
| 15:19.53 | petemc | in gnome-terminal, not in gconf |
| 15:20.31 | poisonbit | petemc, in which version of debian? i don't see too |
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| 15:20.38 | hid3nax | petemc: I tried it, but there isn't any. I'll try creating a new value in gconf instead. |
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| 15:21.07 | petemc | poisonbit: its old, perhaps they removed it, seems like a regression if they did |
| 15:21.35 | poisonbit | yes, there is a regresion :) |
| 15:21.44 | xoz | prefers to use: vim +"%s/-/./" +":wq" file ... than sed :) |
| 15:21.47 | poisonbit | also I can't change cursor color in gnome |
| 15:22.01 | poisonbit | like all other xterms in the world |
| 15:22.35 | poisonbit | xoz, you can make vim onliners (not interactive) |
| 15:23.38 | xoz | poisonbit: how? |
| 15:24.07 | poisonbit | arfff i don't remember, i have it in some scripts, it is in the man page |
| 15:24.11 | poisonbit | or in the docs |
| 15:24.49 | hid3nax | Nice. I have gnome-terminal 2.22 version. The one which offers no blinking cursor disable for itself unless done for all gnome apps ;-) |
| 15:24.49 | xoz | i think vim is powerful replacement for sed/grep/awk |
| 15:25.10 | poisonbit | xoz, -e it seems to be vi -e 'fooo' |
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| 15:26.09 | poisonbit | mmmm no it is -c or --cmd 'foooo' |
| 15:26.21 | xoz | poisonbit: -s |
| 15:26.48 | poisonbit | no, -c |
| 15:26.50 | poisonbit | :) |
| 15:27.17 | poisonbit | and you can do multiple -c in online |
| 15:27.30 | xoz | poisonbit: i think + is better than -c |
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| 15:28.46 | poisonbit | better for your code read, they do the same insternally |
| 15:28.56 | xoz | yep |
| 15:28.57 | poisonbit | internaly |
| 15:29.02 | xoz | plus less character |
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| 15:29.04 | xoz | to type |
| 15:29.17 | poisonbit | and to read |
| 15:29.56 | xoz | but only up to 10 +s |
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| 15:30.56 | poisonbit | yesterday i see some code, that was like the bible (SomeStupidObjectClassNameThatDoLitleThingOnMondays) |
| 15:31.20 | hid3nax | !tell me about simple sid backport |
| 15:32.06 | poisonbit | hid3nax, backport "from" sid packages to lenny? or do you mean other thing? |
| 15:32.22 | poisonbit | it's explained in the debian reference guide |
| 15:32.31 | xoz | hates java naming. let us go back to unix philosophy of mnemonics like vi compared to emacs :) |
| 15:32.49 | abrotman | !tell hid3nax about selftell |
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| 15:33.23 | poisonbit | hid3nax, http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
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| 15:34.00 | xoz | i thought there is a command selftell :) |
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| 15:35.53 | poisonbit | xoz, i'm used to bash/perl... that was .Net code, and there was all (classes, methods, variables, etc) 3,4,5 words camelcased... for me, not readable |
| 15:36.16 | poisonbit | let me re-search the url |
| 15:36.51 | poisonbit | http://colinnewell.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/asp-net-mvc-localizable-get-parameters/ |
| 15:38.14 | poisonbit | i'm more used to that http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/how-to-generate-flowcharts-of-your-mvc-application/ |
| 15:38.32 | poisonbit | .net (I don't know mono) is hugly |
| 15:38.54 | poisonbit | then people said that perl is hugly |
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| 15:39.52 | xoz | poisonbit: objective C has a much clearer code i think |
| 15:40.32 | poisonbit | I'm too little at programing... not a guru. My experience is very "basic" :) |
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| 15:41.31 | poisonbit | i see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C |
| 15:41.34 | re__ | Uhhh, I have a cron job that runs /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian every few days. it ran it last night and it changed the date to May 5th.. It's happened to me a few times in the past and I finally went digging into logs to track it down. Has this happened to anyone else? |
| 15:42.17 | poisonbit | re__, not to me, but check your time zone config etc too |
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| 15:43.22 | abrotman | re__: just use ntp and be done with it |
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| 15:43.56 | xoz | re__: yep. |
| 15:44.04 | re__ | poisonbit: yeah, checked tz config. it's all good. and if I run ntpdate-debian again it sets it to the proper time now. It just every now and then it's as if it gets a bad val |
| 15:44.40 | xoz | re__: i have this issue way back woody |
| 15:44.56 | xoz | re__: somehow, the script of ntpdate is messed up |
| 15:45.03 | poisonbit | re__, aptitude install ntp if your debian comes before lenny |
| 15:45.25 | Fozzy | re__: could be a bad server, or if you happen to use certain routers that try to provide proper ntp traffic to the LAN, they can be way off |
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| 15:45.44 | poisonbit | xoz, or if you choosed "not" to the installer ntp question |
| 15:45.51 | xoz | re__: i doubt of bad server. it's the ntpdate |
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| 15:46.03 | re__ | abrotman: xoz: poisonbit: Fozzy: cool thanks guys |
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| 15:49.53 | re__ | so what is a good way to keep nodes in sync if ntpdate can't always be trusted? I have a few servers collecting data that gets grouped by time, and it's important that they're not more than a few sec apart? |
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| 15:50.32 | xoz | ntp? |
| 15:50.33 | poisonbit | the ntp package does all, purge ntpdate, cron tasks and install ntp |
| 15:50.35 | tresh | hey. does aptitude support something like `emerge --fetchonly?` |
| 15:50.43 | poisonbit | tresh, -d |
| 15:50.49 | poisonbit | download only |
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| 15:51.05 | poisonbit | aptitude -d instal ... or aptitude -d full-upgrade |
| 15:51.09 | poisonbit | install |
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| 15:51.24 | tresh | poisonbit: thanks! |
| 15:51.31 | poisonbit | you're welcome |
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| 15:52.05 | abrotman | re__: use ntp .. i said that |
| 15:52.25 | re__ | xoz: poisonbit: abrotman: ahh ok thanks. so ntp completely replaces ntpdate? i'll fire up a vserver and play with it |
| 15:52.29 | re__ | yaeh sorry missed that |
| 15:52.50 | xoz | re__: apt-cache show ntpdate... it will explain to show why ntp |
| 15:53.07 | re__ | xoz: will try that, thanks bro |
| 15:53.26 | poisonbit | test/document before production |
| 15:53.44 | xoz | !ntpdate |
| 15:53.45 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just install the ntp package, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. Ask me about <ntp>. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 15:54.15 | xoz | so this means that it is unmaintained eversince woody? |
| 15:54.31 | poisonbit | !why not ntpdate |
| 15:54.31 | dpkg | Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of ntpdate to keep your time synched. Rationale at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html |
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| 15:59.26 | xoz | ntpdate should be removed from debian.... i think. time is critical and having an unmaintained ntplike program is inviting disaster... |
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| 16:00.13 | wedge | xoz: is there something wrong with ntpdate? |
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| 16:01.37 | Fozzy | I have a software package ('xyz' for example) that I have both lenny and etch specific versions of. I would like to put them into a pool, and have etch/misc and lenny/misc dists that can be used to obtain the package. Anybody know how I can isolate versions of the packages to their dist easily (like how the main debian pools are already setup)? |
| 16:01.55 | xoz | wedge: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html |
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| 16:07.35 | poisonbit | Fozzy, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDevelopment#Repository |
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| 16:09.04 | poisonbit | mmm not much more info in the wiki |
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| 16:09.44 | poisonbit | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 16:10.02 | poisonbit | Fozzy, ^^^ |
| 16:10.14 | Fozzy | poisonbit: I'll take a look. I am thinking that I'll have etch and lenny staging areas (where they are separated), then have them merged into the main pool and 'tweak' the packages files so that the paths to the files are correct |
| 16:10.26 | Fozzy | poisonbit: hehe, I'll look at that first too :) |
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| 16:11.22 | Fozzy | ah, saw that one before. The 'pools' section doesn't have much in it, but the other ideas are useful |
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| 16:15.39 | jon2 | hi there |
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| 16:17.36 | jon2 | I got a problem: I recently updated (I'm on Sid) my system and got the 2.6.32 Kernel and now my Broadcom BCM4312 wireless won't work anymore thou everywhere it says it's now in-kerne |
| 16:19.10 | jon2 | lspci shows the device as it was, but iwconfig won't show "eth1" (my wireless) anymore |
| 16:20.14 | xoz | jon2: what is the output of ifconfig? |
| 16:20.47 | jon2 | also only shows eth0 (wired) and loop |
| 16:20.49 | xoz | jon2: and check lsmod |
| 16:21.06 | xoz | jon2: is the module for brodcomm loaded? |
| 16:21.12 | jon2 | wl isn't installed anymore for I don't know what reason |
| 16:21.21 | xoz | jon2: kernel |
| 16:21.26 | jon2 | ah |
| 16:21.29 | xoz | try modprobe |
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| 16:21.50 | xoz | jon2: either you use the older kernel or troubleshoot it |
| 16:21.51 | jon2 | won't work, says it neither can find nor install it |
| 16:22.05 | jon2 | hmh |
| 16:22.07 | xoz | jon2: then just revert to older kernel |
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| 16:22.24 | jon2 | yea, probably best solution |
| 16:22.31 | xoz | jon2: possible they made changes... check or google your model and kernel version |
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| 16:23.07 | xoz | jon2: always have the older kernel which is working as a backup before installing the new one. |
| 16:23.18 | jon2 | well.. there are tons of stuff about it but none telling me either that it doesn't work or how to fix it |
| 16:23.56 | xoz | jon2: if your wireless is popular, google should find the discussion if there is a problem with the driver |
| 16:24.07 | jon2 | yea it does |
| 16:24.14 | jon2 | but no solution working for me |
| 16:24.33 | Fozzy | just as an extra check, 'ifconfig -a' to see if it moved. (one of my pet peeves is the persistent udev stuff, for me it is nearly useless) |
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| 16:25.14 | jon2 | nep, won't show itself |
| 16:25.33 | xoz | jon2: if the module is not loaded, no way to work it. |
| 16:26.03 | xoz | jon2: just revert to old kernel. if you have not reason to use the new kernel, stick to the one working and move on with your work. |
| 16:26.19 | jon2 | yep I'll do |
| 16:26.23 | jon2 | thanks anyways :) |
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| 16:27.07 | xoz | jon2: been there. just wast of time to track new kernel without major reason unless you have a new hw that requires the new kernel |
| 16:27.26 | jon2 | okay |
| 16:27.42 | jon2 | but on the other hand, 2.6.31 made a lot simpler for me |
| 16:28.02 | xreal | I've just got 2x WD Black 740 GB HDDs ... time to do a raid 0! |
| 16:28.10 | jon2 | ;D |
| 16:28.22 | OpenTokix | Raid 0, for men |
| 16:28.31 | Fozzy | lol |
| 16:28.40 | jon2 | and btrfs, right? |
| 16:28.55 | Fozzy | ext2 |
| 16:28.59 | jon2 | ^^ |
| 16:29.00 | xoz | jon2: it is simple if the module driver works |
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| 16:29.14 | jon2 | yep, but only IF ^^ |
| 16:29.36 | jon2 | brb, rebooting on old kernel |
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| 16:30.11 | xoz | is lucky he is using debian in a virtual system |
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| 16:49.23 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
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| 16:54.03 | sl1ck | how can I enable touchpad scrolling on my laptop? /gnome/ |
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| 16:58.58 | jon2 | re |
| 16:59.04 | nomism | hello, for some reason i can't find the xpdf package in debian testing... does someone know why? |
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| 16:59.39 | jon2 | nomism: try aptitutde update |
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| 17:00.39 | xylox | hi, somebody knows what happens to the testing download site, it shows empty |
| 17:00.50 | nomism | Keine Kandidatsversion für »xpdf« gefunden |
| 17:00.50 | jon2 | broadcom didn't work with 2.6.31 either (wtf?!?) so I got the package from git and now it works without any problems with ssb mod |
| 17:00.57 | jon2 | hmm |
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| 17:01.08 | nomism | after aptitude update && aptitude install xpdf |
| 17:01.10 | markybob | nomism, xpdf is no more |
| 17:01.13 | sl1ck | Perhaps I should elaborate. I used to use my laptop without an attached mouse and touchpad scrolling worked. After I plugged a mouse in the pc, touchpad scrolling was disabled and the "touchpad" option from the "mouse" menu disappeared. |
| 17:01.29 | markybob | nomism, http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ pretty much took over |
| 17:01.42 | nomism | markybob: aaah, okay, is there a replacement with few depencies as possible? |
| 17:02.04 | xylox | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ <- it's empty O.o |
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| 17:03.07 | jon2 | hmm |
| 17:03.47 | jon2 | where do I have to go to work on my touchpad? (I want to disable it on mouse-plug-in and enable it again on plug out) |
| 17:04.53 | jon2 | wiki and google won't give me much info (propably I'm looking on the wrong places) |
| 17:05.52 | nomism | does someone have a hint of a program for fiewing pdf's wiht as less depencies and ui-elements as possible, just like e.g. uzbl as webbrowser? |
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| 17:06.57 | jon2 | nomism: warum wenige abhängigkeiten, wenig festplattenkapazität? |
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| 17:07.45 | nomism | jon2: das ist sekundär, schadet aber nicht. |
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| 17:07.52 | jon2 | hmh |
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| 17:08.44 | jon2 | (for everyone else: hope it's okay we talk german here (?) ) |
| 17:08.55 | jon2 | mmh |
| 17:09.15 | jon2 | ich such grad mal ne pdf, mal gucken was ich fürn programm da hab ^^ |
| 17:09.15 | winter | i'm ok with it unless you/'ll use the h word in your phrases |
| 17:09.32 | jon2 | ^^ okay |
| 17:09.40 | cahoot | !de |
| 17:09.40 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 17:10.31 | nomism | well i myself am perfectly fine with english - possible spelling and grammer horrors don't hurt the audience, not the writer ;-) |
| 17:10.51 | nomism | skip the 'don't' |
| 17:10.55 | jon2 | ;D |
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| 17:11.43 | jon2 | I also ain't got any probtlems with speaking english, was just because we both are german ^^ |
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| 17:12.57 | ewet | hi, I need some clarification about dealing with bash-profiles: I have TMOUT set in /etc/profile (http://debian.pastebin.com/m20c05486) but appearently unsetting for xterms doesn't work - unset TMOUT works only in ~/.bashrc |
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| 17:13.45 | nomism | jon2: i searched a little and found 'gv' - looks like what i want |
| 17:13.52 | ewet | I'd like to have this globally without the need of changing users .bashrc |
| 17:13.53 | jon2 | okay :) |
| 17:14.28 | xoz | nomism: apt-cache search pdf viewer |
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| 17:14.35 | naquad | hi |
| 17:15.12 | naquad | is it possible to make slim (display manager) restart after ctrl-alt-backspace? |
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| 17:17.55 | xoz | naquad: /etc/init.d/slim restart ? |
| 17:18.14 | naquad | xoz, not manually |
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| 17:18.21 | naquad | xoz, it must restart byitself |
| 17:18.27 | gusnan | naquad, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501828 |
| 17:18.29 | naquad | like xdm, kdm, gdm, ... |
| 17:18.57 | ewet | so why is unsetting TMOUT in cases "xterm*|rxvt*" not working in /etc/profile but only in ~/.bashrc? |
| 17:19.01 | xoz | naquad: it should if it is the default display manager |
| 17:19.11 | xoz | naquad: dpkg -reconfigure slim |
| 17:19.31 | xoz | dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 17:19.49 | naquad | gusnan, i don't see any connection between term signal and c-a-backspace |
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| 17:20.00 | naquad | xoz, it is default login manager |
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| 17:20.31 | jelly | naquad: since slim has been removed from Debian, it might be best to plan changing to a different login manager. |
| 17:20.38 | xoz | naquad: then try it. if it will not restart, do /etc/init.d/slim restart ... and it should restart everytime you logout |
| 17:20.51 | jelly | judd: versions slim |
| 17:20.51 | judd | jelly: slim -- lenny: 1.3.0-1+lenny1 sid: 1.3.1-3 squeeze: 1.3.1-3 |
| 17:21.05 | BlackFate | ewet, profile is for logins... barcrc is for new bash processes... for exaple if you login it uses .profile but if you run "bash" it uses .bashrc. this is why .profile runs bashrc... so that bashrc will execute in any time |
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| 17:21.17 | jelly | hrm, I read something wrong. |
| 17:21.20 | naquad | jelly, any ideas on lightweight display manager? |
| 17:21.53 | naquad | i don't care will it be slim or something else, but i want lightweight and theme-enabled display manager >_< |
| 17:21.53 | jon2 | xfce is pretty lightweight, or openbox |
| 17:22.09 | xoz | jon2: that is window manager |
| 17:22.10 | amphi | jon2: neither of those is a display manager |
| 17:22.15 | jon2 | ah |
| 17:22.19 | jon2 | yea, right ^^ |
| 17:22.20 | xoz | xdm |
| 17:22.21 | jelly | naquad: I use gdm. |
| 17:22.22 | xoz | wdm |
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| 17:22.37 | naquad | gdm pulls piece of gnome |
| 17:22.38 | xoz | xdm should be the lightest |
| 17:22.45 | jelly | naquad: oh noes! |
| 17:22.46 | naquad | xdm - i didn't see styling for it |
| 17:23.01 | nymeria | When I now updated my openoffice from backports it removed my dictionaries, how do I reinstall my swedish dictionary? |
| 17:23.03 | xoz | naquad: what the helll. you want light and you want style? |
| 17:23.12 | ewet | BlackFate, oh yeah I remember this login-shell thing... so what's unsetting TMOUT for all bash processes (not login-shells) then? /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 17:23.14 | jelly | judd: depends gdm |
| 17:23.16 | judd | jelly: gdm -- Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libdmx1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), (1 more message) |
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| 17:23.22 | naquad | xoz, thats what slim provides :) |
| 17:23.24 | jelly | judd: more |
| 17:23.24 | judd | jelly: librsvg2-2 (>= 2.18.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), libx11-6, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxext6, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, adduser, libpam-modules (>= 0.72-1), libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), gnome-session | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator, gksu (>= 1.0.7), lsb-base (>= 3.2-14), librsvg2-common |
| 17:23.54 | xoz | naquad: you dont need our help here. you know what you want. use apt-cache search or something like that. |
| 17:24.04 | jelly | naquad: I don't see any libgnome* stuff in there. |
| 17:24.22 | ewet | BlackFate, effectively I want to set a timeout for all shells but the xterm windows (so TTYs and stuff automatically log off) |
| 17:24.37 | jelly | ... because I'm half blind, apparently |
| 17:24.48 | naquad | jelly, gnome-session, libgnomecanvas2-0, ... |
| 17:24.59 | jelly | naquad: gnome-session is optional |
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| 17:25.18 | cahoot | nymeria: tried aptitude search swedish? |
| 17:25.31 | BlackFate | ewet, maybe you could make a script to check for pts/ processes |
| 17:25.41 | BlackFate | ewet, tty uses tty process name |
| 17:26.35 | BlackFate | ewet, check for pts kai sshd on this pts... and the timeout |
| 17:26.36 | naquad | i think i'll simply write a wrapper for slim process, thanks for help people |
| 17:26.38 | BlackFate | then |
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| 17:27.25 | ewet | BlackFate, so /etc/bash.bashrc is read anyways - bash processes _and_ login shells? |
| 17:27.52 | ewet | it's saying interactive shells only |
| 17:28.35 | BlackFate | ewet, indeed |
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| 17:30.01 | BlackFate | ewet, if you only change.. bash.bashrc when you login with sshd you wont see anything |
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| 17:30.14 | BlackFate | ewet, when you start a new shell in x windows.. it will |
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| 17:33.12 | ewet | BlackFate, cool works like expected.. this login shell/interactive shell is a bit confusing though |
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| 17:36.47 | BlackFate | ewet, to undestand it better... tty logins and ssh logins == profile need |
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| 17:37.04 | BlackFate | ewet, xterm and new bash == no need profile |
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| 17:37.30 | ewet | BlackFate, yeah thanks :) |
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| 17:58.30 | jhutchins_lt | The main idea behind that is that when a script is being executed in a shell it has different "environment" needs than an interactive login where you are executing "live" commands. |
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| 18:06.27 | Argafal | hello, i'm trying to understand why freetype-tools got removed. I need ttf2pk and wonder what was the reason that it isn't in debian anymore. If someone could fill me in, I'd appreciate it. |
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| 18:09.39 | lontra | how can i set my dpi to 96 when X launches? i.e. how can i set dpi to 96 so that every app that relies on X will use it |
| 18:09.42 | ambuli | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:11.43 | Titan8990 | ambuli, it doesn't go by path names, man sources.list |
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| 18:17.38 | lontra | how can i make X launch with 96 dpi and not the 127 dpi |
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| 18:20.20 | ambuli | Titan8990, it is mentioned like name/name2 is a distrubution, but how can i find if this distribution is available or not ? |
| 18:21.21 | abrotman | ambuli: which source are you trying to use ? |
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| 18:23.22 | abrotman | ambuli: ? |
| 18:23.23 | ambuli | abrotman, for example eb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-security multiverse in it januty-security is a distribution, and multiverse is a component. my question is : In the given url i didnt find any distro like that ? |
| 18:23.30 | abrotman | ambuli: go ask #ubuntu |
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| 18:25.51 | ChrisW | anyone experienced shell lockups when "crontab -e"'ing through a putty session? |
| 18:26.13 | ChrisW | I get it intermittently, more often than not right now, and I'd like to find out why and fix it :-S |
| 18:26.14 | abrotman | ChrisW: tried changing the editor ? |
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| 18:26.30 | ChrisW | abrotman: why would the editor matter? |
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| 18:26.44 | abrotman | because you're launching an editor that might have an issue ? |
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| 18:27.01 | ChrisW | the editor is emacs |
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| 18:27.05 | ChrisW | works fine for everything else |
| 18:27.17 | ChrisW | only locks up like this when editing crontabs |
| 18:27.23 | ChrisW | and I'm pretty sure vi used to do the same thing |
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| 18:28.09 | ChrisW | weirdly, it's either lock up as soon as it's rendered the editing screen in the putty session, or not at all |
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| 18:28.39 | abrotman | but emacs never locks up in putty ? |
| 18:28.57 | ChrisW | abrotman: correct |
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| 18:29.12 | ChrisW | I've *never* had emacs lock up except when editing crontabs |
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| 18:29.28 | ChrisW | but I have experienced this behaviour across multiple servers |
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| 18:29.36 | muedhiver | hello, I'm experiencing troubles with a sata_sil24 setup, maybe someone may have some hints ? here's a tracelog of my troubles: http://pastebin.org/66439 |
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| 18:29.51 | ChrisW | the common denominator appears to be connecting through putty, but I don't have a lot of alternatives to test that hypothesis with... |
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| 18:30.15 | abrotman | your putty is up to date ? |
| 18:30.33 | abrotman | i don't use emacs, but i do edit crontabs over putty |
| 18:31.19 | ChrisW | abrotman: putty is probably not up to date, no |
| 18:31.23 | ChrisW | *goes to check* |
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| 18:31.32 | ChrisW | 0.6.0 |
| 18:31.37 | ChrisW | what version are we on now? |
| 18:31.58 | abrotman | 0.60 |
| 18:32.07 | abrotman | has been for over two years |
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| 18:32.25 | ChrisW | oh well, not that then |
| 18:32.52 | abrotman | you could try another terminal emulator to eliminate putty as the cause |
| 18:33.36 | ChrisW | hurm :-S |
| 18:33.44 | ChrisW | which alternative would you recommend? |
| 18:33.55 | abrotman | uhm .. a free one ? |
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| 18:34.18 | abrotman | i think cryptoterm has an eval license and does SSH |
| 18:34.29 | abrotman | would hope osmething with a name like that does ssh |
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| 18:37.03 | HackeMate | hello, i just bought a nvidia geforce gts 250 graphic card, is not for gamer but must run ok my problem is the game still slow, and it crashes many times, with the old fx 5200 i dont get those crashes though |
| 18:37.11 | HackeMate | shall i install a different nvidia driver? |
| 18:37.15 | ewet | jhutchins, thanks for the clarification :) |
| 18:37.18 | HackeMate | or it is because of wine |
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| 18:38.18 | keith4 | anyone have a suggestion of how to resolve this without removing xchat? http://ugh.pastebin.com/d5996ce37 |
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| 18:39.06 | abrotman | is that on lenny ? |
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| 18:39.36 | keith4 | abrotman: yes |
| 18:39.53 | en1gma | i have a gf440 mx and debian squeeze and i lost my tool bar in firefox with the visual affects set to normal......it was working until i changed some icons and controls. |
| 18:40.08 | en1gma | does anyone know how to get the tool bar back so there is an X to exit out |
| 18:40.10 | jelly | keith4: what happens when you aptitude install xchat? |
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| 18:41.02 | abrotman_ | awesome |
| 18:41.04 | abrotman_ | keith4 after the build, install xchat again ? |
| 18:41.09 | keith4 | i was thinking about backporting iceweasel 3.5. currently going through the dependencies... stuck at libsqlite3-dev |
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| 18:41.19 | jelly | keith4: (yes, even though it's already installed at this point) |
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| 18:41.57 | keith4 | xchat in lenny depends on tcl8.4, which won't coexist with tcl8.5 i guess? |
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| 18:42.39 | en1gma | im not sure what it is called (if its missing toolbar) or what or i would google it |
| 18:42.49 | en1gma | anyone know what it is called and ill google it and fix it |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | en1gma: is that a real question ? |
| 18:43.44 | en1gma | im missing the toolbar i guess is what its called? |
| 18:43.44 | keith4 | abrotman: jelly: ok, it seems that tcl8.4 can be installed after 8.5, so xchat will be happy |
| 18:43.57 | keith4 | no, you're missing the title bar |
| 18:44.01 | en1gma | the top part of programs that show the X where you clock it to close it |
| 18:44.09 | en1gma | oh yea |
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| 18:44.10 | en1gma | thats it |
| 18:44.13 | abrotman | en1gma: WHICH toolbar? where? in what? ask a real question .. jeez |
| 18:44.19 | en1gma | hes right its title bar |
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| 18:44.49 | Titan8990 | en1gma, are you running compiz? |
| 18:44.55 | en1gma | yea |
| 18:45.06 | Titan8990 | en1gma, with which window decorator? |
| 18:45.06 | en1gma | i seen it happen long time ago and dont rem how to fix it. |
| 18:45.32 | en1gma | ummm im in gnome....and i tried a few decoratos right now im in human and gnome |
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| 18:46.03 | Titan8990 | en1gma, human? which version of debian is this? |
| 18:46.18 | en1gma | human controls and gnome icons....im in debian squeeze |
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| 18:47.07 | Titan8990 | en1gma, what happens if you do: `gtk-window-decorator &`? |
| 18:47.13 | keith4 | abrotman: if you're curious: http://ugh.pastebin.com/d6b06314a |
| 18:47.16 | Gryfelhase | Hi how can I enable telnet-login on my pc (lenny ) ? |
| 18:47.30 | Titan8990 | Gryfelhase, why not use SSH instead? |
| 18:47.30 | en1gma | do i need to be su |
| 18:47.38 | Gryfelhase | The openbsd-inetd is installed |
| 18:47.39 | Titan8990 | en1gma, no, you should not be su |
| 18:47.40 | beardy | Gryfelhase: Why do you want or need that? |
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| 18:48.11 | Gryfelhase | to access my other computer via comandline (execute comand setc) |
| 18:48.19 | beardy | !ssh |
| 18:48.19 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (www.openssh.org). Clients for other platforms include <putty>, <cygwin>, <niftytelnet> and MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>. |
| 18:48.27 | beardy | Gryfelhase: The above is for you. |
| 18:48.29 | en1gma | ewww when i open a term i cant see anything |
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| 18:48.35 | en1gma | its all white |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | keith4: that was why i asked |
| 18:48.43 | Gryfelhase | ok, I will try |
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| 18:49.17 | Titan8990 | Gryfelhase, ssh has pretty much entirely replaced telnet as a means for command line administration |
| 18:49.25 | Titan8990 | even the cisco IOS has ssh these days |
| 18:49.38 | en1gma | Titan8990, um the screen is all white and i cant see my text or anything so i dont know if it took the command |
| 18:50.10 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 18:50.12 | Titan8990 | en1gma, the command caused your screen to go white? |
| 18:50.17 | beardy | Gryfelhase: install the package openssh-server, and then connect to the machine with 'ssh ip_or_hostname_of_machine', or using another ssh client, like putty, if you are connecting from a windows machine |
| 18:50.28 | en1gma | nope it was white as soon as i opened the term |
| 18:50.46 | Titan8990 | en1gma, so you have more problems then "missing titlebar"... |
| 18:50.54 | en1gma | yea just noticed |
| 18:51.13 | paissad-hp | i would like to install the bzip2 version from sid, i add that repository sid into sources.list .... when i do apt-cache policy bzip2 .. i see that the version of sid is higher, but when i do " sudo aptitude reinstall bzip2 " |
| 18:51.13 | Titan8990 | en1gma, i recommend you disable compiz |
| 18:51.17 | paissad-hp | i got nothing change |
| 18:51.17 | en1gma | hadnt opened a term till just now... before i took it off normal when i seen no title bar |
| 18:51.21 | paissad-hp | where am i wrong ? |
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| 18:51.35 | en1gma | yea thats what i had it at....to bad cant fix it...was showing it to a friend |
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| 18:52.04 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, what does sid's bzip2 have that lenny's doesn't? its a pretty basic utility |
| 18:52.14 | en1gma | Titan8990, thnx for the help |
| 18:52.26 | en1gma | i going to compiz to get a little more specific help |
| 18:52.29 | Titan8990 | en1gma, I have always found the best compiz help in their official channel #compiz |
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| 18:52.36 | Titan8990 | en1gma, yep, good idea :) |
| 18:53.01 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, when i try to compile php, i have this |
| 18:53.04 | paissad-hp | configure: error: Please reinstall the BZip2 distribution |
| 18:53.12 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, why are you trying to compile php? |
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| 18:53.15 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, it's during the ./configure --options |
| 18:53.30 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, again, what does the php that your compiling going to have that the one from lenny does not? |
| 18:53.33 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, from source .. the latest version from the site |
| 18:53.39 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, not debian source |
| 18:53.49 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, I am asking why |
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| 18:54.08 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, just like that .. a friend want to compile it .... :D |
| 18:54.13 | paissad-hp | i help him |
| 18:54.15 | Titan8990 | why use debian and then not use debian software? |
| 18:54.16 | paissad-hp | i try* |
| 18:54.34 | beardy | And this friend runs ubuntu or gentoo? |
| 18:54.41 | Titan8990 | and then mix releases with sid so that you can not use debian software |
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| 18:55.03 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, don't know why actually ... he runs debian ... he wants to compile his own package of debian |
| 18:55.17 | bfremon | hi |
| 18:55.21 | beardy | paissad-hp: Anyway. You have probably not installed bzip2-dev? |
| 18:55.35 | keith4 | abrotman: it won't build anyway, so it's a moot point i guess. http://ugh.pastebin.com/d2b5cd7d2 |
| 18:55.40 | beardy | paissad-hp: If it might need that. |
| 18:55.43 | paissad-hp | beardy, i installed libzip-dev, but don't have bzip2-dev |
| 18:55.57 | paissad-hp | when i do aptitude search bzip, i don't have bzip2-dev |
| 18:56.07 | beardy | paissad-hp: Well, why do you think those have anything to do with each other? |
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| 18:56.42 | michlemken | firefox(testing) is crashing whenever opening a media stream - is that a known bug |
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| 18:56.57 | paissad-hp | beardy, actually they don't have anything to do with each other, .... that package is for zip i think :) |
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| 18:57.00 | paissad-hp | i know |
| 18:57.07 | paissad-hp | not for bzip2 |
| 18:57.29 | michlemken | ? |
| 18:57.48 | abrotman | keith4: it's telling you how to correct that |
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| 18:58.19 | beardy | paissad-hp: Yeah. I can't find a -dev package for bzip2 either. |
| 18:58.40 | paissad-hp | beardy, try with apt-cache search bzip | grep dev, i see much more result |
| 18:59.10 | sl1ck | I used to use my laptop without an attached mouse and touchpad scrolling worked. After I plugged a mouse in the pc, touchpad scrolling is now disabled and the "touchpad" option from the "mouse" menu disappeared. |
| 18:59.10 | jelly | paissad-hp: apt-get build-dep php5 will get you all the -dev packages debian themselves use when building it |
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| 18:59.30 | paissad-hp | jelly, ok, thanks for the tip |
| 18:59.30 | cusco | hi |
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| 18:59.38 | cusco | won't openoffice save as "pdf" ? |
| 18:59.48 | beardy | paissad-hp: Ah yes. Do what jelly said, but yes. libbz2-dev |
| 18:59.57 | Titan8990 | cusco, you did to install cups2pdf, then cups can print anything to a pdf |
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| 19:00.11 | paissad-hp | beardy, yeah, i thought about libbz2-dev |
| 19:00.15 | Titan8990 | cusco, sorry, cups-pdf |
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| 19:00.53 | beardy | wonders what it would hurt to spell out bzip in the name of that package. |
| 19:01.20 | beardy | Or rename the binary. |
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| 19:02.17 | dutchie | reportbug didn't work due to squiffy STMP settings. It saved the report in /tmp. How can I report it? doesn't seem to be an option on the man page... |
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| 19:03.47 | Titan8990 | dutchie, the bug tracking system is mostly a web interface, you can use that |
| 19:03.55 | abrotman | to report the bug |
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| 19:05.36 | dutchie | "We strongly recommend that you report bugs in Debian using the reportbug program." from http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 19:05.37 | lontra | hi i am running lxde on squeeze and when i change settings in lxde these settings aren't honored and i am not sure why |
| 19:05.46 | xreal | Are there any good tutorials for building RAID-0 on Lenny? |
| 19:05.48 | dutchie | and I can't see anywhere to report a bug on bugs.d.o |
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| 19:06.48 | keith4 | abrotman: yah, but line 119 concerns me (/bin/sh: aclocal-1.11: command not found) |
| 19:07.17 | Titan8990 | keith4, concerned? |
| 19:07.19 | Titan8990 | !installit |
| 19:07.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:09.21 | keith4 | Titan8990: while I do appreciate your apparent desire to be helpful, it's clear that you haven't actually looked at the pastebin i'm referring to |
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| 19:10.15 | Titan8990 | keith4, I have, hes missing aclocal of a particular version |
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| 19:10.23 | Titan8990 | judd, versions aclocal |
| 19:10.24 | judd | Titan8990: aclocal -- |
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| 19:10.28 | Titan8990 | judd, versions aclocal-1.11 |
| 19:10.29 | judd | Titan8990: aclocal-1.11 -- |
| 19:10.36 | keith4 | uh huh |
| 19:10.45 | keith4 | thanks for playing! |
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| 19:11.39 | Titan8990 | judd, versions automake |
| 19:11.39 | judd | Titan8990: automake -- etch: 1:1.10+nogfdl-1 lenny: 1:1.10.1-3 sid: 1:1.10.1-3 sid: 1:1.11-1 squeeze: 1:1.11-1 |
| 19:11.56 | Titan8990 | keith4, its in squeeze and sid, part of the automake package |
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| 19:12.47 | keith4 | ah, that would do it |
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| 19:17.18 | Drunken | Hi. I sorta accidentally repartitioned the wrong drive, and would like that data back. :) It was an ntfs drive |
| 19:17.52 | keith4 | hmmm. can't build automake 1.11 without autoconf > 2.61.... which is in lenny-backports, but won't install without a newer M4 (not in backports for i386) |
| 19:18.00 | Drunken | now it shows the system on the drive as HPFS/NTFS and I cannot mount it |
| 19:19.00 | Titan8990 | keith4, I think the goal was to compile the trunk of php5, no matter how much branch mixing and stability sacrifices occur |
| 19:19.37 | keith4 | Titan8990: huh? I'm just trying to SSB libsqlite3-dev |
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| 19:20.11 | Titan8990 | keith4, oh, i thought you were still commenting on paissad-hp's problem |
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| 19:20.35 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, :P |
| 19:20.38 | keith4 | oh. the current trunk of p5p? yikes |
| 19:20.45 | keith4 | er, php5 |
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| 19:24.05 | Drunken | anyone? |
| 19:24.19 | jhutchins_lt | Drunken: Possibly a professional data forensics firm. |
| 19:24.24 | Drunken | lol |
| 19:24.29 | Drunken | i'll just rule that one off then |
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| 19:24.56 | Titan8990 | Drunken, restore from your most recent backup |
| 19:24.56 | Muffin | Hello! When I type df, there is a line called "overflow" with very few bytes that is mounted as /tmp. I am not sure why this is. |
| 19:25.03 | Drunken | thats the problem. |
| 19:25.06 | Drunken | that drive was the backup. |
| 19:25.07 | Drunken | lol |
| 19:25.16 | Drunken | and the original. |
| 19:25.23 | Muffin | Drunken: No, it was not. |
| 19:25.24 | Titan8990 | Drunken, then it wasn't a backup |
| 19:25.29 | Muffin | If one drive has the backup and the origin-- |
| 19:25.32 | Muffin | What Titan8990 said. |
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| 19:26.03 | mlissner | Does anybody know how to debug apparmor? I think it's giving me a hard time... |
| 19:26.14 | Titan8990 | mlissner, apparmor is in debian? |
| 19:26.20 | Titan8990 | judd, versions apparmor |
| 19:26.20 | judd | Titan8990: apparmor -- |
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| 19:26.47 | mlissner | Titan8990: Perhaps not. I've got it though in any case. |
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| 19:27.13 | Titan8990 | mlissner, what debian version? |
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| 19:28.22 | vlad | hi, where do I get the debian kde cd/dvd? Debian KDE Team links do not work for me;( |
| 19:28.47 | Titan8990 | vlad, just install using netinst and then install kde after |
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| 19:28.59 | Titan8990 | vlad, you may also want to add the kde repo prior to that |
| 19:29.02 | mlissner | thumbs: Actually, it's Ubuntu, but I've failed to get useful help over there...apparently, though this may not be the best place either...sigh. |
| 19:29.16 | vlad | i will give it a try, thx |
| 19:29.28 | Titan8990 | !kde4 |
| 19:29.29 | dpkg | well, kde 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ See also <kde squeeze>. |
| 19:29.48 | Titan8990 | mlissner, ubuntu is not supported here, incomming bot spam |
| 19:29.50 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 19:29.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:29.54 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 19:29.54 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:30.00 | mlissner | Titan8990: ^^ see message to thumbs, typo there. |
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| 19:30.25 | abrotman | vlad: it's in the same directory as the others |
| 19:30.26 | paradroid | Has anyone had problems with their wireless cutting out in squeeze? I'm on an intel card using iwl5000 firware. After a short time active, it cuts out, and only a reboot gets it working again. This happens again and again. |
| 19:30.39 | mlissner | Titan8990: Very well. Thanks anyway. |
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| 19:30.53 | Titan8990 | paradroid, i have heard of others with same issue, did you check the bts? |
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| 19:31.48 | paradroid | Titan8990: I googled the issue and saw packaging issues with crda, but I didn't know if that had been resolved. I'll go check the BTS. |
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| 19:32.42 | dayz | hi |
| 19:32.44 | dayz | switch10_, what arguments do i give to chmod in order to specify a group for write permission to a directory? |
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| 19:33.59 | Titan8990 | dayz, chmod g+w /path/to/dir |
| 19:34.20 | Titan8990 | dayz, the group must have ownership of the dir |
| 19:35.03 | dayz | Titan8990, i see. so i'd need to chown the dir first if it doesn't already own the dir? |
| 19:35.09 | paradroid | Hmm, well. There was a bug relating to the problem, but it was closed and marked resolved when the .30-2 kernel hit testing. |
| 19:35.48 | Titan8990 | dayz, yes, actually chgrp is more appropriate |
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| 19:38.25 | Titan8990 | paradroid, time for new report maybe? |
| 19:38.39 | Thunderguy | How do you remove a 'ghost mount'? " cannot unmount device does not exist " |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | you can force it |
| 19:40.15 | Thunderguy | ok :) that worked, thanks |
| 19:40.26 | xreal | is this okay to run a bencchmark? sudo bonnie++ -d /b -s600 -r300 -u0 |
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| 19:44.11 | paradroid | Titan8990: Yeah. |
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| 19:44.19 | paradroid | Problem is, the output, and how to procure it. |
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| 20:02.01 | eitan | Does anyone know what happened to the debian testing images that are supposed to be at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ ? |
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| 20:05.01 | Titan8990 | would someone with imagemagik mind to paste /usr/share/menu/imagemagick? |
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| 20:06.57 | qwd | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/d2a506bba |
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| 20:07.38 | encrypttp | which package provides the command kernel_image? |
| 20:07.39 | NoCode | http://pastebin.com/m77cf090d |
| 20:07.53 | NoCode | qwd, already got it. :D |
| 20:08.43 | Titan8990 | qwd, nice, thanks |
| 20:08.59 | Titan8990 | somehow that 3rd line was missing from mine and it was throwing annoying non-fatal errors |
| 20:11.43 | Titan8990 | http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup | "This page describes how to get SELinux up and running on a Debian machine running an up to date installation of Testing or Unstable." |
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| 20:12.10 | Titan8990 | Does anyone know if there is specific documentation for lenny or if the squeeze/sid documentation applies to lenny? |
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| 20:34.37 | stse | Hi! I'm trying a self made 2.6.32.1 with Debian Testing on my Dell Notebook Latitude E5500. If the notebook wakes up from suspend to ram, I don't have any video output anymore. The system is reachable over network. After X restart I have video again. 2.6.31.x are working fine. Any hints? |
| 20:35.02 | Argafal | stse: can you try something? |
| 20:35.09 | Argafal | which is: produce the bug and then try: |
| 20:35.22 | Argafal | change to console (with Ctrl + Alt + F1). |
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| 20:35.27 | Argafal | change back (with Ctrl + F7) |
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| 20:35.34 | Argafal | do you get back to your X-session? |
| 20:36.08 | stse | Argafal: Won't work. I tried this. I can only login remote, restart kdm, then I have video again (X and console). |
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| 20:36.31 | stse | Argafal: but directly after wake up from suspend to ram, I don't have any video output. |
| 20:36.50 | Argafal | stse: i have a similar issue and it appears to be a big of this kernel version. |
| 20:36.55 | Argafal | *bug |
| 20:37.01 | eshat | Why do I not have any devices belonging to plugdev ? even when plugging a usb stick it is owned by floppy group |
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| 20:37.33 | stse | Argafal: then I'll stick with 2.6.31 for the moment. Thanks for the hint. |
| 20:37.45 | jsn | I'm hoping there is a command line tool which will generate all the zone and named.conf files I need to run my named. It _mostly_ works, but it won't resolve www. remotely. |
| 20:37.51 | Argafal | stse: i think it was first introduced in .31 |
| 20:37.54 | Argafal | not sure. |
| 20:38.10 | Argafal | i also think it has been partially fixed but not all cases. |
| 20:38.20 | Argafal | and we suffer from those unfixed cases. |
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| 20:39.07 | stse | Argafal: 2.6.31.6 and others before are working fine. |
| 20:40.03 | stse | Argafal: I thougth the new KMS options could be a problem. |
| 20:40.44 | stse | Argafal: do you have a 32bit or a 64bit kernel? |
| 20:41.31 | xreal | What happened to bonny? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157937/ |
| 20:42.04 | Argafal | stse: 32bit. |
| 20:42.22 | stse | Argafal: my system is 64bit. |
| 20:42.28 | Argafal | stse: did you check dmesg? |
| 20:42.42 | Argafal | and what is your graficscard's vendor? |
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| 20:43.32 | stse | Argafal: yes, nothing, my card: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 20:43.59 | eshat | Shouldn't devices in /dev/bus/usb* have group permission "plugdev"??? it is root here. |
| 20:44.08 | eshat | permissopn=owner |
| 20:44.25 | Argafal | stse: so it's intel, too. |
| 20:44.26 | Argafal | interesting. |
| 20:44.29 | stse | Argafal: I don't see any flashes on the screen after the wake up. It seems, something forgets to activate the screen. |
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| 20:45.05 | amgarchIn9 | I have a suspicion that my /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts is modified from time to time. I have to permanently remove the entries for short and FQHN names from there when ssh complains. What is anything known about that? |
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| 20:45.51 | amphi | stse: are you using s2ram? |
| 20:46.29 | amphi | stse: and what do you have in /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags ? |
| 20:46.49 | Titan8990 | amgarchIn9, im curious about whats using the global file in the first place |
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| 20:47.01 | Titan8990 | amgarchIn9, ssh sessions on cron? |
| 20:47.04 | xreal | Can anyone help me with Bonnie++ PLEASE? |
| 20:47.23 | stse | amphi: I'm using XFCE4 with its energy component and I simply close the lid. |
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| 20:48.16 | stse | amphi: Do you need the acpi flags from the 2.6.32 kernel? I have the older kernel running and can't reboot at the moment. |
| 20:48.34 | amphi | for the one that's not working |
| 20:48.41 | amgarchIn9 | Titan8990: many users get confused when prompted with questions about inserting/removing/updating these keys. |
| 20:48.58 | stse | amphi: for 2.6.31.6 the value is 0. |
| 20:49.02 | Titan8990 | amgarchIn9, so you configured it to add to the global file? |
| 20:49.07 | amphi | if that 'file' doesn't contain 3, see whether putting 3 in it helps; it made s2ram work perfectly here |
| 20:49.14 | stse | amphi: I'll try the other kernel tomorrow |
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| 20:49.25 | amphi | stse: s2ram works with that kernel? |
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| 20:49.58 | amphi | it might be worth finding out what xfce is actually doing as well |
| 20:50.07 | jsn | Is there a good CLI tool for generating zone configuration and named.conf configuration files? I must be only a few characters off. ns1.languageandpeace.com and ns2.languageandpeace.com resolve, but not www.languageandpeace.com |
| 20:50.17 | stse | amphi: I never tried s2ram, I will try it, when I reboot to check the acpi flag. |
| 20:50.19 | amgarchIn9 | Titan8990: I copied it from older installation, and now it is already a week that I need to occasionally remove (repeatedly) the entries for the upgraded machines. |
| 20:50.49 | jsn | oh, and dig @localhost www.languageandpeace.com does work locally. :( |
| 20:50.54 | Titan8990 | amgarchIn9, are you sure that the format or syntax to the configuration has not changed? |
| 20:50.57 | amphi | stse: without 3 in there, I had a blank screen on wake |
| 20:51.03 | jhutchins | jsn: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 20:51.06 | Titan8990 | jsn, might have better luck in #bind |
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| 20:52.02 | jsn | jhutchins, I find that particular document a lot less than completely helpful. I know I have a simple domain, but, eh, still hurts my head. |
| 20:52.05 | jsn | Thanks, Titan8990 |
| 20:52.06 | abrotman | i think it's #dns now ? |
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| 20:52.17 | cahewson | #grml |
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| 20:52.39 | abrotman | no, #dns |
| 20:52.43 | amgarchIn9 | I rescanned them now with ssh-keyscan and taken an md5 sums. I'll see if it gets changed over time. |
| 20:52.49 | abrotman | oh, they have both |
| 20:52.52 | amgarchIn9 | Titan8990: ^ |
| 20:52.59 | jhutchins | jsn: Sorry, it's a complex subject, but nice when you get it all lined up right. |
| 20:53.17 | eshat | can nobudy tell me why the plugdev groups seems not to be working on my computer |
| 20:53.32 | jhutchins | jsn: iirc that HOWTO doesn't quite match how debian does it either. |
| 20:54.15 | Titan8990 | eshat, did you log out and log back in after adding a user to the group? (assuming you were logged in as that user) |
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| 20:54.49 | paissad-hp | there's something i don't understand, when i used checkinstall to create a .deb package, i have to use sudo on debian and it installs it directlu try to install on the system .... btw, on ubuntu it does not install the packet , just creates it into the current directory |
| 20:54.54 | jhutchins | jsn: This might be easier: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 20:55.12 | paissad-hp | what must i do into debian to not install the deb package, just create it |
| 20:55.18 | paissad-hp | it's a package i built |
| 20:55.33 | eshat | Titan8990: no the problem is, that no device is in that group, even if i plug in a USB stick... |
| 20:55.34 | paissad-hp | ./configure, make && checkinstall |
| 20:55.39 | jsn | Oooh, bindconfig! |
| 20:55.42 | jsn | thanks, jhutchins |
| 20:56.08 | Titan8990 | eshat, is HAL running? |
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| 20:56.40 | eshat | Titan8990: Titan8990 yes, the usb stick is floppy group btw. |
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| 20:56.42 | jsn | oh, bindconfig is only 8.2.1 and lower. Blah |
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| 20:57.15 | Titan8990 | eshat, i don't understand what your saying.. a usb stick is not a user so it can't be a member of a group |
| 20:57.32 | eshat | Titan8990: I mean the device /dev/sdb* |
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| 20:58.06 | eshat | it is in floppy group, and there seems to be no device in the plugdev group, which I think isn't normal |
| 20:58.10 | Titan8990 | eshat, i device is not a user, but i assume you mean that the device should be owned by the group |
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| 20:58.36 | eshat | Titan8990: yes maybe I missed the word "owned", sorry for that... |
| 20:58.41 | Titan8990 | eshat, stop saying it backwards, the group owns the file/device. a file/device can not be a member of a group |
| 20:59.00 | Titan8990 | eshat, what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:59.01 | paissad-hp | what's the equivalent of apt-get source with aptitude ? |
| 20:59.05 | eshat | ok, lerned that... ;) |
| 20:59.10 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, there isn't one |
| 20:59.17 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, aptitude lacks a few features |
| 20:59.24 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, ok |
| 20:59.48 | Titan8990 | eshat, alright, i just plugged in my usb device to test |
| 20:59.52 | eshat | paissad-hp: aptitude download ? |
| 20:59.57 | Titan8990 | eshat, that appears to be typical behavior |
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| 21:00.20 | Titan8990 | eshat, that will fetch the .deb binary package, not the source package |
| 21:00.24 | eshat | Titan8990: hmm, so what may be the plugdev group for ? maybe it is depricated |
| 21:00.50 | eshat | Titan8990: true |
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| 21:01.33 | Titan8990 | eshat, I was able to mount and use the device as a regular user too |
| 21:01.52 | Titan8990 | eshat, i don't use graphical mounting very often so I am not going to be much help with this |
| 21:02.04 | eshat | The thing is not about mouning a usb stick, I am following an HowTo for Ubuntu, to get my iphone mounted, plugdev seems to be right in ubuntu, why not on debian ? |
| 21:02.35 | Titan8990 | eshat, what error is it giving you? what problem is it causing? |
| 21:02.39 | eshat | I have to do it as root since /dev/bus/usb/* is not owned by plugdev group (hope it's right this time) |
| 21:02.47 | encrypttp | trying to compile something and it says: /bin/bash: i386-debian-linux: command not found - wondering if is there any workaround? |
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| 21:03.14 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, what command did you give to get those results? |
| 21:03.32 | encrypttp | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -b |
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| 21:03.55 | eshat | Titan8990: well thanks anyway, at least I improved my english ;) |
| 21:03.59 | Titan8990 | eshat, my /dev/bus/usb/* is owned entirely by the vboxusers group |
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| 21:04.09 | Titan8990 | eshat, yes, english is not bad |
| 21:04.13 | dusty- | Hey guys, what does this mean in the logs: Dec 16 13:56:58 mail sshd[14168]: error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Operation not permitted |
| 21:04.16 | dusty- | ? |
| 21:04.19 | dusty- | I get it quite a lot. |
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| 21:05.11 | santiago | is it safe to use /etc/init.d/mysql reload? i want to re-read my.cnf but NOT restart mysql (!) |
| 21:05.30 | Titan8990 | santiago, thats what reload is for |
| 21:06.06 | Titan8990 | dusty-, This file can be used to adjust the score used to select which process should be killed in an out-of-memory (OOM) situation. |
| 21:06.27 | Titan8990 | dusty-, sounds like your running out of RAM, judging by what that file says |
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| 21:07.06 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, it sounds like the make file was not properly written, what are you trying to compile? |
| 21:07.44 | santiago | Titan8990 so you are *sure* that it will just re-read conf and not reset/disable the engine even for a fraction of a second? this is really important |
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| 21:09.11 | Titan8990 | santiago, no, look at the script and see what it does exactly |
| 21:09.14 | encrypttp | Titan8990 the squid.. |
| 21:09.26 | encrypttp | Titan8990 wondering what should i change.. |
| 21:09.34 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, whats wrong with the squid thats in debian? |
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| 21:10.25 | encrypttp | Titan8990 im doing some custom build to add TPROXY support |
| 21:10.35 | jham | guys, what is the way to make a bitlbee server private? |
| 21:10.37 | encrypttp | more exactly following this how-to http://web.suffieldacademy.org/ils/netadmin/docs/software/squid/#toc6 |
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| 21:12.41 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, that is for an older debian release, are you sure it doesn't include the features you need? |
| 21:13.24 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, and actually, it will enver work for lenny, because that patch is for etch's kernel |
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| 21:13.51 | Titan8990 | which is the danger of using a "howto" instead of real documentation |
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| 21:14.06 | encrypttp | im using debian 4 |
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| 21:14.15 | eshat | Is /dev/bus/usb/* owned by plugdev group, anyone? I just don't understand why it is owned by root group on my box... |
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| 21:14.45 | dusty- | Titan8990: not running out of ram.. |
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| 21:15.34 | encrypttp | and kernel is already compiled.. Linux proxy 2.6.18-tproxy.1.0 #1 SMP Fri Dec 18 20:14:21 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:15.56 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, are you doing this to learn or are you doing this because you want a squid proxy server? |
| 21:16.06 | _2 | i am having an issue with /dev/disk/by-uuid/ not showing the drive that the rootfs is on (debian etch on usbkey) |
| 21:16.13 | encrypttp | Titan8990 both.. bot endly to put a squid proxy server |
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| 21:16.29 | encrypttp | s/bot/but |
| 21:16.44 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, I recommend a platform designed for routing... specifically pfsense |
| 21:16.44 | _2 | anyone that might have insight on this matter ? |
| 21:16.50 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Perhaps the key does not have a UUID. |
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| 21:17.15 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, i will help if you want, but i use pfsense and all i needed to do was install the package via a web interface, checkbox transparent proxy and away it went |
| 21:17.25 | _2 | jhutchins_lt how can the rootfs not have a uuid? |
| 21:17.33 | _2 | (ext2) |
| 21:17.36 | abrotman | wonders what happened to _1 ... |
| 21:17.40 | encrypttp | Titan8990 so you got transparent proxy working on your pfsense (never used it)? |
| 21:17.46 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, and IMO freebsd is a better platform for a router/firewall |
| 21:17.51 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, yes, and very easily |
| 21:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | _2: UUID's are not a part of the EXT system, they're something added on. |
| 21:17.57 | encrypttp | also just to make sure we are on same boat.. by transparent proxy you mean squid using client's ip instead of some default ip right? |
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| 21:18.33 | _2 | jhutchins_lt ;/ at any rate blkid shows it |
| 21:18.34 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, no, transparent meaning that it does not require configuration from the client |
| 21:18.36 | amgarchIn9 | I cannot find SGE (gridengine) "qmake" cluster make in debian lenny. Any thoughts? http://gridengine.sunsource.net/nonav/source/browse/~checkout~/gridengine/doc/htmlman/htmlman1/qmake.html |
| 21:18.48 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, any traffic leaving the gateway on port 80 is run through the squid proxy |
| 21:18.57 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.07 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, pfsense performs NAT so it will always use the WAN IP address of the router |
| 21:19.08 | encrypttp | Titan8990 yea.. i want it tool.. but i also want squid to use client's ip on requests to avoid blockings on google, for example |
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| 21:19.23 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, you have public IPs for all the machines on your LAN? |
| 21:19.28 | xreal | I want to create a RAID-0. Do I need partitions on the two disks first? |
| 21:19.29 | encrypttp | absolutely |
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| 21:20.01 | encrypttp | 5k+ clients, so if i dont use their IP on web requests, it will be surely marked as attack on main websites |
| 21:20.05 | _2 | the fact that the system does not make a link in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ makes it much harder to boot... |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | !qotd168 |
| 21:20.05 | dpkg | <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 21:20.42 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, on a single network segment? 5k public IPs? |
| 21:20.53 | xreal | How do you call RAID-level 0? I thought, it's a RAID-stripe. |
| 21:21.13 | santiago | Titan8990 i risked... and it worked.. many thanks |
| 21:21.54 | xreal | Please, I really need help. Can't you just answer my questions that I can continue working? I used Google already and got multiple results on the same thematic. |
| 21:21.55 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, you basically have a full /20 block of IPs on the internet? |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | xreal: using what? swraid? hwraid? you're leaving out details that we need |
| 21:22.49 | encrypttp | Titan8990 yes, its an ISP.. i have a /20 yes |
| 21:22.53 | xreal | I want to create a swraid based raid 0 stipe on mdadm with two HDDs. |
| 21:23.13 | xreal | Do I need to create partitions on these HDDs first? |
| 21:23.22 | encrypttp | Titan8990 I have a /20 (on my own AS), and some /24 assigned from my carrier |
| 21:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: We're just fellow users here. |
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| 21:24.10 | encrypttp | i wish i could fix the debian/rules file in order to compile right |
| 21:24.20 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, isn't it typical to subnet that block into different networks? |
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| 21:24.40 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, i am not sure its that... its trying to execute a command called i386-debian-linux or whatever |
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| 21:24.47 | encrypttp | Titan8990 sorry i didnt understand your saying |
| 21:25.10 | encrypttp | yea it is.. i could see that i dont have i386-debian-linux but i have i486-debian-linux command |
| 21:25.22 | encrypttp | seems just some arch configuring on the debian/rules file |
| 21:25.36 | encrypttp | i think it has everything to do with this: "You may wish to set certain compiler flags (e.g., CFLAGS='-O2 -march=pentium4') before the build to include any processor-specific options. Note that these packages may only work for the architecture they're compiled for! " |
| 21:25.47 | encrypttp | but i dont have enough skill to fix it |
| 21:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html or http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins might help. I haven't messed with raid since the 90's, other than rebuilding failed servers. |
| 21:26.25 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:26.37 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/Intel |
| 21:27.09 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: okay, then I will play around ... thanks for help. |
| 21:27.51 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: Keep good backups. |
| 21:28.02 | encrypttp | ty Titan8990 ill take a look :) |
| 21:28.11 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, what package is that a part of? `apt-file search i486-debian-linux` |
| 21:28.17 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, there isn't anything like that in lenny |
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| 21:28.34 | xreal | jhutchins_lt: I don't need backups for this data, since I can rebuild it every time I want ;-) |
| 21:28.43 | encrypttp | i486-linux-gnu-cpp i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 21:28.49 | encrypttp | this is what i found similar.. |
| 21:29.16 | xingu | encrypttp: what you're trying to do puts state into the data plane - which is a design error; far bigger networks are proxied, so you're fine on that score; and finally, I'd take a very good guess that the debian release supports wccp - you may wish to look at that, rather than than transproxy |
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| 21:31.47 | encrypttp | xingu my carrier is not upgrading my bandwidth any soon and i need do something asap to save bandwidth.. ill take a look at this wccp :) |
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| 21:31.57 | encrypttp | but im just curious right now on how to fix this :/ |
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| 21:36.23 | Titan8990 | nkuttler, if there is one, i bet its in the imagemagick package |
| 21:36.37 | nkuttler | yeah, probably. or latex |
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| 21:38.49 | FlyingFoX | is there a console based tool that can help me manage my users and their groups? i want to see what groups my users are in and vice versa. |
| 21:39.42 | nkuttler | FlyingFoX: groups, adduser etc |
| 21:39.44 | force | FlyingFoX other than the basic system admin commands? |
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| 21:40.20 | MrTorque | what does the adduser -d option do? |
| 21:40.20 | FlyingFoX | something that lists all my users and their groups would be nice |
| 21:40.45 | force | FlyingFoX: cat /etc/group |
| 21:40.52 | amphi | heh |
| 21:42.07 | FlyingFoX | force: that shows me that mygroup has the member 1004 ... thats not really convenient |
| 21:42.15 | FlyingFoX | i hoped there was something better |
| 21:42.58 | encrypttp | Titan8990 you think you would have a tip for me on how to modify debian/rules file in order to avoid that error? |
| 21:43.04 | jhutchins_lt | FlyingFoX: You could import the group file to a spreadsheet. |
| 21:43.14 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, i don't think it has anything to do with that |
| 21:43.19 | FlyingFoX | i know there are graphical tools for that like kuser, but i currently have only console access to my server. |
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| 21:43.33 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, but maybe it does, pastebin the full error |
| 21:43.50 | xreal | damn ... my RAID 0 is build from 2x740 GB - why is it 1,4 T now? Argh! |
| 21:44.15 | abrotman | that's what it should be |
| 21:44.20 | abrotman | do you actually understand what RAID0 is ? |
| 21:44.27 | force | FlyingFoX: a simple shell script could do it |
| 21:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | xreal: Um... 7+7=14? |
| 21:44.32 | Titan8990 | >>> 740 * 2 |
| 21:44.32 | Titan8990 | 1480 |
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| 21:44.49 | xreal | xreal: I thought, it would have 740 GB only, since both HDDs are used. |
| 21:44.53 | abrotman | you needed a calc to do that ? |
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| 21:45.03 | abrotman | xreal: again .. do you understand what raid0 is ? |
| 21:45.14 | xreal | abrotman: not any more, I think ;-) |
| 21:45.18 | Titan8990 | abrotman, its obvious the answer is going to be no |
| 21:45.18 | abrotman | !raid0 |
| 21:45.18 | dpkg | raid0 is, like, the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see <LVM>). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 Ask me about <qotd168>. |
| 21:45.22 | abrotman | bleh |
| 21:45.27 | abrotman | though i like the bash quote :) |
| 21:45.47 | Titan8990 | abrotman, and yes, I can't do math in my head hardly at all |
| 21:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, the R in RAID is for Ridiculous. |
| 21:45.48 | abrotman | xreal: RAID0 is striping with no CRC-type check .. it's not really RAID and won't save you from a drive failure |
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| 21:46.05 | xreal | Nice! It worked. 189 MB/s on DD. Thanks for your support on this! |
| 21:46.25 | FlyingFoX | force all right thx for the help. seems like there is no tool for that :/ then ill do it the not so easy way with /etc/group |
| 21:46.51 | Titan8990 | FlyingFoX, how is that not easy? |
| 21:47.19 | FlyingFoX | i need to look up what user 1004 is |
| 21:47.32 | Titan8990 | FlyingFoX, grep '1004' /etc/passwd |
| 21:47.37 | FlyingFoX | ye |
| 21:47.48 | encrypttp | Titan8990 here http://pastebin.com/m73a0cfdd |
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| 21:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | encrypttp: Looks like a bad config script. |
| 21:50.10 | encrypttp | jhutchins wondering if you think it has some quick/easy fix? |
| 21:50.15 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, from the source directory: `grep -r 'i486-debian-linux' *` |
| 21:50.37 | encrypttp | i386 i guess right? |
| 21:50.46 | Titan8990 | err, yes |
| 21:50.59 | Titan8990 | I am not sure where 'dephelp commands' is read and executed from |
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| 21:52.22 | encrypttp | i had already searched for this string but cant find on any dir |
| 21:52.56 | force | FlyingFoX: for u in `cut -f1 -d: /etc/passwd`; do groups $u; done |
| 21:53.01 | joshritger | I am running lenny with xfce on an old gateway solo 1450, I have run other linux distros on this laptop, but for some reason lenny doesn't seem to see anything for audio. The pc speaker (motherboard speaker) works and shows up, but not the actual sound card speakers. I have alsa and anything alsa related that I could find installed and still nothing, any ideas? |
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| 21:53.34 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, alright, try to make a symlink from i486-debian-linux to i386-debian-linux |
| 21:54.11 | encrypttp | Titan8990 had done this already lol.. it said: no input files |
| 21:54.23 | Titan8990 | joshritger, did you run alsaconf? did it find your soundcard? |
| 21:54.50 | Titan8990 | encrypttp, thats my last idea |
| 21:55.11 | joshritger | Titan8990: is that something I am supposed to run via a terminal? |
| 21:55.24 | force | FlyingFoX: run that command and you'll get a list of username space groups their in |
| 21:55.25 | Titan8990 | joshritger, yes |
| 21:55.38 | encrypttp | i have i486-debian-linux-cpp and i486-debian-linux-gcc |
| 21:55.39 | Titan8990 | !alsaconf |
| 21:55.39 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 21:55.43 | encrypttp | i had tried with gcc.. trying with cpp now |
| 21:55.43 | joshritger | Titan8990: thanks, will try that |
| 21:55.51 | encrypttp | seems to be halt now |
| 21:55.58 | FlyingFoX | force: ty looks quite good |
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| 21:59.49 | joshritger | is there an option to enable shutting down the computer and or restarting it directly from the os when using xfce, I just get the log off option with the other two greyed out |
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| 22:00.44 | Titan8990 | joshritger, you have to use a graphical display manager |
| 22:00.47 | azeem_ | joshritger: sounds like a permissions/sudo problem |
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| 22:00.56 | Titan8990 | azeem_, or lack of a display manager |
| 22:01.09 | Titan8990 | joshritger, did that fix your sound problem? |
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| 22:01.25 | joshritger | Titan8990: just restarting now to find out |
| 22:01.34 | Titan8990 | joshritger, you don't have to restart |
| 22:01.49 | Titan8990 | joshritger, you just have to restart the application that uses sound, e.g. your web browser |
| 22:01.56 | Titan8990 | joshritger, did it detect your card? |
| 22:02.00 | dragon2000 | hi there |
| 22:02.22 | joshritger | Titan8990: then no it didn't work, it did detect my card, but then it gave me an error with amixer |
| 22:02.43 | Titan8990 | joshritger, what error? |
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| 22:03.18 | Titan8990 | joshritger, and you were most likely looking for `alsamixer` not amixer |
| 22:03.29 | joshritger | Titan8990: trying to recreate right now |
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| 22:04.39 | joshritger | Titan8990: I am given two options when I get to sound card selection, legacy and maestro3 (ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 12), I picked the later the first time, should I try the legacy? |
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| 22:05.09 | en1gma | im running debian squeeze and i just installed 'compiz' but i dont see it in "appearance" is there something i need to do to make it avail |
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| 22:12.36 | anoobisa | How can I resolve the error: zone transfer 'example.com/AXFR/IN' denied |
| 22:12.36 | anoobisa | using bind9 with lenny |
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| 22:14.56 | force | anoobisa: the zone transfer is most likely denied due to the host-allow configuration in named.conf |
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| 22:15.57 | anoobisa | force yes I figured that much. What is the best to specify there |
| 22:16.09 | anoobisa | I put in my ISP DNS servers there and localhost |
| 22:16.15 | force | anoobisa: check you have for each zone, 'type master;' & 'allow-transfer { someiphere; };' |
| 22:16.22 | force | on the master.. |
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| 22:17.12 | anoobisa | force ah ok for each zone in the named.conf |
| 22:17.29 | force | and on the slave, for each zone 'masters { ipofmaster; };' & 'allow-transfer { ipofmaster; }; ' |
| 22:17.33 | joshritger | can anyone tell me what |
| 22:17.33 | joshritger | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 22:17.33 | joshritger | means and how to fix it? |
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| 22:17.44 | anoobisa | I don't have an allow-transfer there but I have one for the global |
| 22:17.57 | force | anoobisa: as far as i know you need one for each |
| 22:17.59 | joshritger | sorry, my comp wrapped that weird |
| 22:18.10 | burris | on a squeeze install, what aside from autofs do I need to get usb drives to mount automatically? |
| 22:18.26 | anoobisa | really, well I woulda thought that the global overrides the zones |
| 22:18.36 | anoobisa | its first time for me with bind |
| 22:18.42 | anoobisa | I give that a try |
| 22:18.45 | bzed | burris: do you really want that? |
| 22:19.06 | bzed | burris: the way to ask the user if they want to moun tit is the better one imho |
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| 22:20.02 | burris | bzed: it's an embedded device, a data recorder and I use the usb key for storge... I want it to take whatever is plugged in at boot, use it, then later I remove it and transfer it to my desk/laptop |
| 22:20.10 | force | anoobisa: http://pastebin.com/m46da0f48 |
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| 22:20.37 | rooisto47 | azul |
| 22:20.52 | bzed | burris: I think ivman might be what you're looking for then |
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| 22:21.17 | bzed | burris: although it requires hal, if you want to get rid of hal, probably use automount |
| 22:21.19 | anoobisa | force thanks |
| 22:21.22 | rooisto47 | is there any debian developer here? |
| 22:21.32 | anoobisa | force at the moment I have only one dns server setup |
| 22:21.37 | Eric01 | I am having issue with network card of my server. |
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| 22:21.40 | bzed | !tell rooisto47 about ask |
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| 22:21.45 | Eric01 | - /var/log/messages |
| 22:21.48 | anoobisa | force do I need to have 2, I am using my ISP dns as forwarders |
| 22:21.49 | Eric01 | i am getting this error: eth1: Detected Tx Unit Hang: |
| 22:21.55 | Eric01 | how can i fix this issue ? |
| 22:22.21 | joshritger | can anyone tell me how to fix the error amixer: mixer attach default error: no such file or directory |
| 22:22.30 | rooisto47 | why there is no weekly build (testing) this week ? |
| 22:22.46 | bzed | rooisto47: of the installer? |
| 22:23.00 | rooisto47 | bzed: iso-dvd |
| 22:23.04 | force | anoobisa: depends what you're trying to do i guess |
| 22:23.10 | encrypttp | how do i search a string in dir and subdirs? |
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| 22:23.18 | bzed | rooisto47: probably something broken, or somethign waiting for changes...or... just use a stable installer and install it |
| 22:24.04 | Eric01 | is there any fix for: eth1: Detected Tx Unit Hang: ? |
| 22:24.04 | force | anoobisa: if you're trying to get a list of all associated records for example.com, you would need the machine to be on the allow list for the master |
| 22:24.45 | rooisto47 | bzed: I want download the 3 first dvd (testing) iso to make a locale repository (it's more up to date then stable) |
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| 22:24.56 | force | Eric01: the transfer is failing for some reason |
| 22:25.03 | force | Eric01: faulty nic? |
| 22:25.18 | anoobisa | force mhh I am just trying to get to know bind :) |
| 22:26.03 | rooisto47 | sahit filamane |
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| 22:26.05 | anoobisa | force and I am trying to connect it to my isp so that I can manage my domains using the isp dns as slave or secondary dns servers |
| 22:26.06 | rooisto47 | bye |
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| 22:26.41 | force | anoobisa: you would most likely need dynamic dns setup |
| 22:26.53 | anoobisa | force why |
| 22:27.00 | anoobisa | I have a static ip |
| 22:28.02 | force | by that i mean have a key setup |
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| 22:28.45 | anoobisa | force you lost me, but no worries |
| 22:29.36 | force | ive never really done that so im not sure |
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| 22:31.40 | anoobisa | force I think I have just found my solution, you gave the right direction |
| 22:31.51 | anoobisa | force thanks |
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| 23:00.28 | BurnIt | I think about replacing my ubuntu installation with a debian one. is there anything special I should consider? |
| 23:00.37 | BurnIt | or is it much the same? |
| 23:02.01 | Argafal | BurnIt: it's much better ;) |
| 23:02.24 | BurnIt | Argafal, that's actually what I'm looking for :D |
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| 23:02.39 | Argafal | BurnIt: of course that depends very much on your requirements. |
| 23:02.53 | barnum | its like spring water the closer to the source the better |
| 23:03.00 | Argafal | get LFS ;) |
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| 23:03.47 | BurnIt | Argafal, my problem is that I need somewhat uptodate software, however the frequent updates of ubuntu introduce too much errors in my work system |
| 23:04.11 | Argafal | BurnIt: well, it is EITHER uptodate OR completely stable. |
| 23:04.14 | BurnIt | Argafal, that's why I wanted to install debian stable on my systems |
| 23:04.14 | Argafal | you can't have both. |
| 23:04.24 | Argafal | BurnIt: then it won't be uptodate. |
| 23:04.34 | Argafal | BurnIt: you've heard of backports.org? |
| 23:04.51 | BurnIt | Argafal, I've heard of it |
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| 23:04.57 | Argafal | a good idea is to get a stable debian system. and the few items you need in more recent versions from bpo |
| 23:05.06 | icebrain | does anyone have any problems accessing FUSE mounted dirs with Thunar? |
| 23:05.10 | Argafal | I prefer debian testing with a few packets of unstable and a few of experimental. |
| 23:05.16 | BurnIt | Argafal, that's exactly what I wanted to do |
| 23:05.20 | Argafal | and some very few compiled on my own. |
| 23:05.24 | Argafal | BurnIt: which one ;) |
| 23:05.39 | BurnIt | Argafal, stable + BPO |
| 23:06.29 | Argafal | BurnIt: go for it :) |
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| 23:07.16 | BurnIt | Argafal, I don't need a so much up to date system to be honest |
| 23:07.31 | Argafal | "my problem is that I need somewhat uptodate software" ;) |
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| 23:07.37 | kzim | hi |
| 23:07.38 | Argafal | YOU said that, not me |
| 23:07.43 | BurnIt | Argafal, I need oOo3 |
| 23:07.48 | Argafal | oOo3? |
| 23:07.54 | BurnIt | openoffice.org 3 |
| 23:07.55 | Argafal | looks like a weird smiley. |
| 23:07.56 | Argafal | oh. |
| 23:08.20 | BurnIt | and I need a working update chain |
| 23:08.21 | kzim | i want dist-upgrade from etch to lenny and apt tell me that he will remove those: apt libgcc1 libstdc++6; is it normal ? |
| 23:09.00 | BurnIt | I once used ubuntu LTS versions |
| 23:09.41 | Argafal | BurnIt: ooo in stable is 2.4, I think. |
| 23:09.50 | BurnIt | Argafal, ouch |
| 23:10.05 | BurnIt | after 1 and a half year I would have needed a more recent version of oOo and pidgin was no longer working because the protocoll had changed |
| 23:10.47 | BurnIt | when I wanted to compile more recent versions I had to compile hundreds of libs that dependet on other libs, and I still need a working system |
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| 23:11.07 | BurnIt | after that I used the standard ubuntu versions |
| 23:11.14 | BurnIt | with a new one each half-year |
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| 23:12.00 | BurnIt | however they tend to contain more and more bugs :( |
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| 23:12.07 | heoa | ssh -MNf name@host.com How can I find the shell to the background process? |
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| 23:12.22 | xoz | BurnIt: when it comes to development and programming, debian has the most complete collection of related libs... be it scientific, computational, etc. |
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| 23:15.27 | Pnux | pnux@debian:~$ msn ssh bash: msn: command not found <= shame on me |
| 23:15.31 | Argafal | BurnIt: i think stable + http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openoffice&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports could be good for you |
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| 23:16.20 | BurnIt | Argafal, :) |
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| 23:16.56 | BurnIt | Argafal, configuration should resemble that of ubuntu, i guess? |
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| 23:17.13 | joshritger | can anyone help me get sound working, I have tried alsaconf and get an error |
| 23:17.37 | BurnIt | Joshritger, could you please be more specific? |
| 23:17.55 | BurnIt | joshritger, could you please be more specific? |
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| 23:19.04 | Argafal | BurnIt: more or less. |
| 23:19.19 | Argafal | BurnIt: ubuntu is basically debian in "very easy". some would say "very dumb" |
| 23:19.25 | Argafal | you know, matter of the vantage point. |
| 23:19.31 | joshritger | BurnIt: it finds my card and then at the end it says amixer: mixer attach default error: no such file or directory |
| 23:19.42 | Argafal | BurnIt: which means it is similar in a lot of things. |
| 23:20.14 | BurnIt | Argafal, I've been working with linux for several years now. Started with suse, went to ubuntu, next one may be debian |
| 23:20.16 | Argafal | BurnIt: though debian is less dominant in respect to user treatment. |
| 23:20.26 | Argafal | BurnIt: definitely a good choice. |
| 23:20.29 | xoz | joshritger: check if the module for your card is loaded. lsmod |
| 23:21.00 | BurnIt | Argafal, not being as dominant is absolutely a pro! |
| 23:21.05 | xoz | BurnIt: SUSE and ubuntu is not comparable to debian collections of libs. |
| 23:21.40 | joshritger | what am I looking for when I input lsmod |
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| 23:21.43 | xoz | Argafal: you mean newbies. developer community is one of the best |
| 23:21.52 | Argafal | btw, time to bring up my own question. i need ttf2pk and the debian paket for it (freetype-tools) vanished. i find millions of pages saying _that_ it vanished, but no reasonable explanation why or the primary source to compile it myself nor another way to emulate it's behaviour. |
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| 23:22.30 | Argafal | xoz: sorry, what exactly are you referring to there? |
| 23:23.02 | xoz | Argafal: less dominant... |
| 23:23.26 | joshritger | BurnIt: did see what my alsa problem is? |
| 23:23.51 | BurnIt | joshritger, not really |
| 23:24.02 | Argafal | xoz: yeah, still don't get you. for me this is a PRO point, i can do what i think is best for me, without a system telling me what to do. for others it is a con, they need this "guarding and guidance" |
| 23:24.12 | joshritger | BurnIt: it finds my card and then at the end it says amixer: mixer attach default error: no such file or directory |
| 23:24.51 | BurnIt | joshritger, yeah, but I don't know anything about that. You better follow the hint with loading the right module |
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| 23:25.25 | joshritger | ok, I have googled the problem and can't find anything in particular |
| 23:25.39 | joshritger | well nothing helpful |
| 23:25.45 | xoz | Argafal: i think too much of GUI eyecandy hides user from the beauty underneath. some distro makes their installation so beautiful most users are enjoying installation of new release without really going into productivity. debian expects you install one and update and move on with your life. |
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| 23:26.01 | jmoncayo | hi guys what program could i use to implement VRRP or CARP ? |
| 23:26.35 | xoz | s/one/once |
| 23:26.40 | Argafal | xoz: yes, that's what i love about it. |
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| 23:26.52 | Argafal | xoz: i think i get your point, you're just agreeing with me, are you? ;) |
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| 23:28.18 | BurnIt | Argafal, xoz sounds good. I'm starting work as a teacher soon. I need a reliable system on which I prepare my lessons |
| 23:28.21 | xoz | Argafal: i often heard of *** release party. what is that? if you are using debian package management, no need for new install. just dist-upgrade for new releases. other distro are getting more attention to new releases when it fact it is a trivial thing in debian. they reap the harvest which is trivial and advertise it as a big deal. |
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| 23:29.31 | xoz | BurnIt: i used to teach and now in research. i used lots of distro until i found debian and never looked back. |
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| 23:30.40 | xoz | BurnIt: once you get the real beauty and strength of debian package management... not just the eyecandy.... do things in console with bash interactivity. you'll have the power to be your best. |
| 23:31.03 | BurnIt | xoz, wonderful. |
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| 23:31.36 | BurnIt | xoz, Argafal thanks for the advice. good night (it's late at night in Germany)! |
| 23:31.54 | Argafal | BurnIt: though is it in Spain ;) |
| 23:31.59 | Argafal | *so |
| 23:32.10 | BurnIt | gn8 then ;) |
| 23:32.11 | xoz | BurnIt: Germany has one of the most number of developers in debian. you won't find isolated there :) |
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| 23:32.44 | Argafal | hm, doesn't seem like anyone has an idea about my ttf2pk/freetype-tools problem. |
| 23:32.49 | Argafal | too bad. |
| 23:33.00 | Argafal | was dealing with this for a week now. |
| 23:33.20 | Argafal | simple request is: use a ttf font in latex WITHOUT using xetex instead of latex. |
| 23:33.31 | xoz | Argafal: what is pk? peking? :) |
| 23:33.34 | Argafal | but wherever i look into i find a wall in front of me. |
| 23:33.42 | Argafal | xoz: the TeX pk format for fonts. |
| 23:33.58 | Argafal | format might be the wrong term, didn't get the hang on it yet |
| 23:34.18 | xoz | Argafal: are you using pdflatex in texlive? |
| 23:34.57 | Argafal | xoz: yes |
| 23:35.19 | xoz | Argafal: im using latex also. why is there a need for that? |
| 23:35.52 | Argafal | xoz: cause i need the corporate fonts, otherwise I will be forced to install Windows + Word. |
| 23:35.59 | xoz | Argafal: im always using the available stylsheet and just worry with the presentation |
| 23:36.19 | Argafal | i already managed to get a proper template for latex to be within the corporate identity specifications. |
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| 23:36.28 | Argafal | everything is fine, all I need is the font. |
| 23:36.44 | Argafal | but it sucks, whatever I touch I end up missing something. |
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| 23:37.02 | Argafal | the last (and most promising) try ends at ttf2pk removed from Debian. |
| 23:37.03 | xoz | Argafal: i see. my usage is purely journal paper and the font need is much simpler. |
| 23:37.49 | xoz | Argafal: just replace it with other fonts? do they care about this :)? |
| 23:38.16 | Argafal | xoz: it's not a font you could replace. |
| 23:38.20 | Argafal | it really isn't. |
| 23:38.35 | Argafal | it even contains the corporate logos in one version of the font as vectorgraphics. |
| 23:39.04 | Argafal | and the fonts are somewhat special. they are used for all the offical things (address, titlepage, header) |
| 23:39.50 | neant | ccc |
| 23:40.00 | Argafal | and also i deny to accept that i'm not able to convert them ;) |
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| 23:40.49 | xoz | Argafal: make it as PDF from word... then consider it like just an embedded graphics. |
| 23:41.05 | Posterdati | hi |
| 23:41.14 | icebrain | Posterdati: hi |
| 23:41.28 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with linux ndas driver and fsck.ext3: the driver freezes my pc! |
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| 23:41.38 | Argafal | xoz: BRRRRRR! |
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| 23:41.46 | xoz | Argafal: haha |
| 23:41.57 | Argafal | xoz: you should get banned for this sentence :-p |
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| 23:47.22 | xoz | Argafal: i know. but ttf is actually patented by apple... |
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| 23:49.11 | Argafal | xoz: truetype fonts are patented by apple? |
| 23:49.32 | Argafal | xoz: how come microsoft uses them all over everywhere? |
| 23:51.33 | icebrain | Argafal: "As part of Apple's new tactic of distancing itself from Adobe, Apple licensed TrueType to Microsoft, in exchange for a license for TrueImage, a Microsoft-developed PostScript-compatible printer control language that Apple planned to use in their laser printers. This printer language was never actually included in any Apple products" |
| 23:51.58 | Argafal | i see. |
| 23:52.19 | Argafal | so where it license issues that led to the removal of freetype-tools? |
| 23:52.34 | Argafal | and where the heck can i find the history... i must have used the wrong search words for his. |
| 23:52.38 | Argafal | *this |
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| 23:53.02 | icebrain | I found it in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueType |
| 23:53.45 | xoz | Argafal: ms blackmailed apple... otherwise, they'll pull out word in mac. just my conspiracy theory. |
| 23:54.32 | xoz | apple doesnt need truimage. they have better tech in image and fonts. |
| 23:54.47 | xoz | stops the offtoptic |
| 23:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | Apple still uses postscript. |
| 23:55.32 | beardy | You're welcome to continue in #debian-offtopic. |
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| 23:56.44 | Argafal | xoz: well that was a nice bit of history, though it didn't help my issue. but it might be an idea what could have happened to the debian paket and it would explain why it is still there on mac systems. |
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| 23:56.59 | xoz | yep. making pdf as the default makes desktop publishing much better in mac |
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| 23:57.03 | Argafal | icebrain: accounts to you as well, thanks for researching. |
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| 23:57.34 | mikexcr | hi guys |
| 23:57.42 | Argafal | probably we raised enough interest that someone might come up who remembers freetype-tools and their story... |
| 23:57.42 | xoz | Argafal: im using mac and running linux in vmware fusion... and can windows in another virtual system.. 3 computers at a time :) |
| 23:57.42 | mikexcr | WTF is with invoke-rc.d ??!!?!?! |
| 23:57.45 | planet8 | I am trying to get vncserver to launch automaticaly upon boot. I have this in /etc/init.d/vncserver: http://pastebin.com/d4ea4f57c, if I run the su command manually as root, everything works perfectly, what am I missing? The script is set to chmod 755 |
| 23:57.51 | mikexcr | invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2 |
| 23:57.53 | mikexcr | WTF?! |
| 23:58.14 | mikexcr | apt-get |
| 23:59.01 | jhutchins_lt | xoz: Just for the record postscript != pdf. |
| 23:59.25 | xoz | jhutchins_lt: yep but both by adobe |
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| 23:59.39 | xoz | jhutchins_lt: with pdf for printing and ps for display |
| 23:59.57 | ctmjr | mikexcr: man invoke-rc.d |