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| 00:14.59 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:16.04 | realh | Hi, I just followed dpkg instructions for nvidia m-a, and when I reach dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I do all the options but then what's next? |
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| 00:16.19 | realh | dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 00:16.19 | dpkg | realh: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 00:16.36 | markybob | dpkg, yo mama |
| 00:16.37 | dpkg | from memory, yo mama is so fat... |
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| 00:29.57 | puff | themill: a) should I dist-upgrade first, or b) should I install udev, kernel and debia-archive-keyring? I'm a little unclear on what those three are about; the debian-archive-keyring is to authenticate package files, and kernel is about upgrading the kernel, I guess? |
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| 00:30.03 | guillaume | hello, I add ntfs-3g and fuse in order to mount usb ntfs hdd for sharing data with windows 7, With a user account I can mount the hdd with double click on it. But I can't add any file or folder into it because the hdd permission are not displayed. I have the following message in hdd property for permissions : the permissions can't be determined |
| 00:30.35 | themill | puff: doesn't matter, yes, correct, correct. |
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| 00:32.08 | puff | themill: I'm reading the package desc of udev, it looks like it's more about supporting automounting of usb devices and such, what's the reason for installing it? |
| 00:32.39 | puff | themill: Okay, so upgrading the kernel, any particular version or just the latest one? |
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| 00:32.58 | themill | puff: it's in charge of device creation for your machine -- so it looks after disks and network cards too. |
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| 00:33.29 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: ntfs don't have permissions |
| 00:33.30 | themill | puff: "linux-image-686" should be fine (substitute amd64 etc as appropriate) |
| 00:33.45 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: oh yeah? |
| 00:33.50 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: check the dir where it's been mounted |
| 00:34.30 | puff | themill: Okay, I'm not averse to installing it, but wouldn't that sort of thing be installed by default? |
| 00:34.47 | puff | themill: That is, it seems to be fixing a problem, but I'm not sure what the problem is :-). |
| 00:34.50 | themill | puff: it was, aptitude ripped it out in trying to unbreak your box |
| 00:35.12 | puff | themill: Ah, missed that. |
| 00:35.24 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, I think fuse create the dir in /media and use the hdd uuid as name |
| 00:35.51 | guillaume | jp |
| 00:36.02 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, drwx------ 1 guillaume guillaume 4096 déc. 7 02:00 4BCF0B5448F8CC81 |
| 00:37.15 | rgr | waits for jpinx-eeepc diagnosis too ... |
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| 00:37.32 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, this is mount output /dev/sdd1 on /media/4BCF0B5448F8CC81 type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077) |
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| 00:41.32 | rgr | guillaume: you 100% have ntfs-3g? |
| 00:41.55 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, If I refer to these informations, the filesystem are mounted in rw access for my user account, but I can't add any file or folder on them... |
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| 00:43.22 | guillaume | rgr, what do you mean ? I have installed ntfs-3g packages from testing repo : i libntfs-3g54 |
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| 00:44.07 | guillaume | rgr, and i ntfs-3g of course |
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| 00:45.38 | rgr | yes, i just wanted to check you were sure. |
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| 00:46.53 | rgr | and you do have ntfs-3g i nthe fstab? |
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| 00:47.30 | rgr | (damn cedega keeps crashing when runnin unreal1 - rats) |
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| 00:47.48 | Justin | EagleScreen: revoke what? |
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| 00:48.00 | EagleScreen | revoke the key pair |
| 00:48.21 | Justin | EagleScreen: what key pair? |
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| 00:48.33 | rgr | the key pair he created I would guess |
| 00:48.42 | EagleScreen | the one I created with GnuPG |
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| 00:49.58 | rgr | beats me :-( |
| 00:50.58 | jsn | I'm trying to remove USB support from my kernel, the server in question is in a server farm and no one should be attaching USB devices to it. The chips are too old to support KVM, but I get USB errors each time I try. Will take all questions. |
| 00:51.24 | dondelelcaro | jsn: just rmmod and blacklist the modules |
| 00:52.28 | jsn | dondelelcaro, the default configuration for the 2.6.latest I'm using has it compiled in, but not as a module. lsmod | grep usb yields nothing. |
| 00:52.56 | jsn | dondelelcaro, ok, maybe you are right. How do I show the list of _potential_ modules to load? |
| 00:53.27 | jsn | And/or, how do I blacklist a module? |
| 00:53.33 | squisher | I have the strangest problem... dual monitor setup, two X displays. On :1 my mouse wheel stops working after I do a left mouse click in a number of apps... I have no clue how to debug this |
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| 00:54.00 | squisher | it starts working again if I change focus |
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| 00:54.21 | dondelelcaro | jsn: in this case, you'll have basic usb support, but if you remove the usbhid and ms support, no one will be able to use anything they plug in by default. |
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| 00:56.39 | jsn | dondelelcaro, thanks very much for figuring out what I really wanted to do, rather than what I thought I wanted to do. |
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| 00:57.21 | dondelelcaro | jsn: I'd suggest, though, that if you're concerned about that kind of thing that you invest in a hosting setup which has physical security for your machines... someone who can plug things into your machine can pretty much own it |
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| 00:59.38 | jsn | dondelelcaro, I calculated that after fixing this, the only open gate was the 9-pin mouse and keyboard plugs. Other than that a person would need to power it down, open the case and reset the bios. |
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| 01:00.04 | dondelelcaro | jsn: yerp, which is pretty much what you do... |
| 01:00.08 | mischief | there we go, thank you themill |
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| 01:00.33 | mischief | can anyone tell me what i need to do to rescue my debian environment other than mounting my disks, mounting dev and proc, and then chrooting? |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | jsn: that's why physical security is important... but in your situation it may be enough |
| 01:01.15 | themill | mischief: thank dondelelcaro, he's the one who got the right hostmask in the end for you ;) |
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| 01:01.15 | jetscreamer | boot it from grub shell ? |
| 01:01.15 | mischief | thanks dondelelcaro :D |
| 01:01.15 | jsn | dondelelcaro, I was thinking that simply jacking into a USB port might be pretty inconspicuous, but taking it out of the rack would be deteced by the people who watch the video cameras, if they are paying attention. |
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| 01:01.45 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 01:02.14 | mischief | jetscreamer: i cant |
| 01:02.43 | jetscreamer | pop in a livecd that uses grub and do so? |
| 01:02.57 | mischief | jetscreamer: when i boot my system 'normally', it goes apesh*t because my partitions are missing out of /dev. only thing that gets mounted is the root partition and it doesn't even appear in /dev |
| 01:03.08 | jetscreamer | ah no idea then |
| 01:03.30 | jsn | mischief, why would your root partition appear in /dev? |
| 01:03.39 | mischief | and now in my chroot i keep getting "error opening terminal bterm" |
| 01:03.49 | jetscreamer | yeah the bterm thing sux |
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| 01:04.00 | mischief | jsn: as in there is no /dev/sda, /dev/sda1, etc |
| 01:04.06 | jmarsden | mischief: "partitions are missing out of /dev " ? Do you mean some device nodes are missing? |
| 01:04.07 | jetscreamer | did you remount --bind /proc or whatever? |
| 01:04.16 | jsn | mischief, ah |
| 01:04.17 | jetscreamer | i forget how it goes |
| 01:04.51 | kampasky | mischief: your udev probably doesn't get started? |
| 01:04.57 | kampasky | hard to say without seeing the dmesg |
| 01:05.05 | mischief | i did 'mount -o bind /proc /debian/proc' and the same for /dev |
| 01:05.18 | kampasky | (that is, while booting directly) |
| 01:05.56 | mischief | kampasky: well... everyone's going to hate me for this, but it's a custom compiled kernel, and everything i needed was compiled in. and it worked seamlessly, i had no hardware detection issues or anything |
| 01:06.06 | kampasky | until...? |
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| 01:06.19 | mischief | until i rebooted yesterday |
| 01:06.23 | jmarsden | mischief: OK, so go back to a default kernel and see if it works better? |
| 01:06.44 | mischief | there's only one kernel, my kernel. :[ im chrooting so that i can install a kernel from debian sources |
| 01:06.49 | mischief | er, debian package repos rather |
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| 01:06.56 | kampasky | mischief: you probably didn't compile netlink in or something else vital for udev to work |
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| 01:07.01 | jetscreamer | this is obviously not udev's fault, just ask anybody |
| 01:07.34 | kampasky | mischief: without udev, that's fine too, but you need to manually create your /dev nodes too ;) |
| 01:07.34 | jetscreamer | even though it would probably work flawlessly w/o udev |
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| 01:08.42 | mischief | kampasky: before i rebooted it worked fine.. i never had to create my device nodes :o |
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| 01:09.01 | kampasky | mischief: because, well, you didn't reboot :) |
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| 01:09.16 | jsn | ciao! |
| 01:09.18 | kampasky | it's curious that this wasn't a problem the first time you booted into the kernel though... |
| 01:09.20 | jsn | And thanks again, dondelelcaro |
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| 01:17.14 | guillaume | hello i'm back, I still have problem of permissions on hdd, I check them over windows 7 with chkdsk and it report no errors. Does the fact of using them under windows 7 can cause the problem I have to get rw access on them ???? |
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| 01:18.09 | remote | what problem? |
| 01:18.19 | remote | ????, may I add |
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| 01:20.18 | guillaume | remote, debian mount the hdd in rw mode but i can't do any thing on them -> /dev/sde1 on /media/WIN-1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096) /dev/sdc1 on /media/WD320 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096) |
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| 01:21.18 | __THEGOD | win7 sucks |
| 01:21.29 | __THEGOD | it locks ntfs partitions |
| 01:21.39 | __THEGOD | and you cant write on ntfs after that |
| 01:21.45 | __THEGOD | neither delete :{ |
| 01:21.45 | mischief | alright, im installing 2.6.31 from unstable sources, and it happens to depend on udev, hooray |
| 01:22.11 | guillaume | __THEGOD, .... what stupid microsoft idea |
| 01:22.11 | __THEGOD | if you trying to write something to a ntfs that is used by win7 |
| 01:22.21 | __THEGOD | thats the problem |
| 01:22.50 | __THEGOD | guillaume ewill bill gates :P |
| 01:23.09 | guillaume | __THEGOD, in my case it's a dualboot conf and the hdd can't be used by the twice one the same time |
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| 01:23.38 | __THEGOD | guillaume why ? |
| 01:23.49 | __THEGOD | when i dual or quad boot a hdd |
| 01:24.02 | __THEGOD | i can use any partition from any os. :P |
| 01:24.15 | d3x | 4 linux distros on one hdd? :P |
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| 01:24.48 | __THEGOD | yeah todays hdd/hardware standard supports up to 4operating systems on one hdd :D |
| 01:25.03 | guillaume | __THEGOD, Yes but what I mean is that the hdd i'm trying to use can't be locked by win7 as the win7 os isn't running |
| 01:25.06 | mischief | __THEGOD: even more with gpt.. |
| 01:25.24 | __THEGOD | gpt ? |
| 01:25.35 | mischief | yes. as opposed to mbr partitioning |
| 01:26.19 | guillaume | I use grub2 and dual or more boot isn't my problem ta this time :) |
| 01:26.22 | __THEGOD | you mean gparted ? |
| 01:26.43 | mischief | __THEGOD: not at all. sounds like it's time to google :p |
| 01:27.05 | mischief | mischief@mordor:~$ uname -a Linux mordor 2.6.31-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 16 04:44:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:27.08 | mischief | IT LIVES! |
| 01:27.53 | guillaume | something is weird because on the two usb hdd using ntfs format one of them is mounted under root account and not user one, and the other can't display permissions and even root can't write on it... |
| 01:27.56 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: reading stuff out of interest seems to say that W7 actively makes it's filesystem unavailable to linux |
| 01:28.03 | __THEGOD | i need a way to boot livecds fromm cd images . |
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| 01:28.19 | __THEGOD | is there any tools supporting that ? |
| 01:28.59 | __THEGOD | i think placing a iso or 7zip codes on isolinux source and copiling it is what needs to be done :P |
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| 01:29.31 | __THEGOD | well i dont know where isolinux and syslinux looksfor and how they actually woks . |
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| 01:29.40 | __THEGOD | so i cant do it myself :D |
| 01:29.50 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, it's not out of interest :) multi boot was in my case :) Where do you find this info ? |
| 01:29.57 | __THEGOD | hope someone does it later for us :P |
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| 01:30.43 | abrotman | __THEGOD: Please keep your conversation related to Debian |
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| 01:31.37 | guillaume | abrotman, we were talking of compatibility between ntfs under win7 and ntfs-3g of debian |
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| 01:32.54 | abrotman | guillaume: how many times did he say "Debian"? |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | :q |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | wrong window ... |
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| 01:35.34 | guillaume | abrotman, I use 2 eternal ntfs usb hdd and get strange output from mount. I use fuse and ntfs-3g to manage ntfs disks and it ever works before I add a win7 dual boot. Now debian mount one of these disk as root and not under the user account, and for the other I am unable to get permissions on it even as root.. As I know you're a great guru maybe you have an answer ? :) |
| 01:36.00 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 01:36.35 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/mounting-an-ntfs-drive-in-debian/ |
| 01:37.00 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, I went here, but what I wanna get is an automount with fuse |
| 01:37.36 | mischief | thanks for the help guys, latee |
| 01:37.37 | mischief | r |
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| 01:40.49 | guillaume | jpinx-eeepc, I will mount them with command line to try but that's not what I'm really looking for cause my wife know nothing about linux and just wanna mount these disks with the mouse :) |
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| 01:41.42 | jmarsden | guillaume: Worst case crite a shell script per mount/umount and put pretty icons on the desktop that run those scripts when clicked on? |
| 01:41.54 | jmarsden | s/crite/write/ |
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| 01:43.43 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: use fstab ? |
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| 01:45.10 | guillaume | it's late here I wanna say thank you to all of you for your help :) |
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| 01:46.37 | puff | themill: Hm, dist-upgrading... I should probably merge in the data from the old system (e.g. the htdocs, apache site configs, postscript config, mailman list configs and archives, etc) before dist-upgrading. |
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| 01:46.52 | jpinx-eeepc | guillaume: sorry we didn't get it done - I'd be interested to work through it with you another time |
| 01:47.05 | themill | puff: you've got a lot of reconfiguring to do anyway, going from sarge to etch. |
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| 01:47.33 | puff | themill: Hm, so you think it'd be safer to just dist-upgrade and then migrate the data in? |
| 01:48.10 | puff | themill: Somebody here, the other day, suggested upgrading past etch, said etch was due to have support dropped in feb. |
| 01:48.19 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: I did a sarge - etch a few months ago - it was not entirely straighforward |
| 01:48.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell puff about sarge->etch |
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| 01:48.56 | jpinx-eeepc | in case you haven't had that already ;) |
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| 01:49.02 | themill | puff: the format of files in /etc will normally be fixed by the upgrade scripts, but there's lots of other things you will need to do. Any config files you've edited probably won't be manually fixed though, you'll need to do them by hand anyway |
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| 01:49.30 | Saar | is there a way to resolve a hostname depending on location? Say if you're on an internal 10.1.1.0 network hostname example.com resolves to 10.1.1.1 and if elsewhere it resolves to an external IP? |
| 01:49.42 | Saar | using bind9 on lenny |
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| 01:50.28 | puff | jpinx-eeepc: Oh joy... to be clear, I am actually migrating from a box running (apperntly) sarge to a box running (currently) etch. |
| 01:50.42 | puff | jpinx-eeepc: I'm talking about whether or not I should upgrade the etch-box further. |
| 01:51.10 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: ouch! maybe leave the etch as it is till you get the first migration done |
| 01:51.39 | jpinx-eeepc | but certainly update/upgrade the etch aas it is to get the latest security |
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| 01:53.33 | vdb2 | is there a console util that will give me a brief overview of all the sata/scsi drives in a system? I'd like to see their device address and connection speed. ie 3.0 or 1.5 |
| 01:55.05 | vdb | or if not brief, full? |
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| 01:55.19 | jmarsden | vdb: lshw -c disk will tell you a lot about each disk... not sure about "connection speed" though. |
| 01:55.39 | themill | puff: at this stage, I'd probably decide that I was going to have to do all the config again by hand, stick lenny on it and then merge in the config bit by bit. Depends how much you've got running on it and how well documented your config is though |
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| 01:57.08 | vdb | jmarsden, the problem is this server has 45 sata drives plugged in. looking at each one individually would be a pain in the arse |
| 01:57.22 | hoo-hah | I'm currently running Squeeze ('squeeze' in apt/sources.lst) . What exactly happens when Squeeze becomes stable? Do Ijust leave it as it is to continue tracking it, or would I have to make any system wide changes |
| 01:57.29 | jpinx-eeepc | would it not be ok to just upgrade the sarge box to etch and then migrate that to the other etch box? |
| 01:57.40 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: ^^ |
| 01:57.40 | hoo-hah | I'd like to avoid having to do anything during the migration |
| 01:57.47 | confusid | Hi, what's the smallest my hd partition should be? I'm going to make 2 partitions.. 1 for / and other for swap. |
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| 01:58.25 | jpinx-eeepc | confusid: the base system takes about 1Gb with X etc |
| 01:58.26 | abrotman | confusid: depends what you wan ton the system |
| 01:58.29 | hoo-hah | which hd partition are you referring to? |
| 01:58.46 | confusid | the / partition |
| 01:58.54 | confusid | the swap will be about 4g |
| 01:58.58 | jpinx-eeepc | confusid: and swap is optional depending on your situation |
| 01:59.09 | hoo-hah | confusid: how much space on the disk? |
| 01:59.20 | jpinx-eeepc | confusid: I have zero swap ;) |
| 01:59.30 | hoo-hah | if you've settled on swap size, there's no real choice in / size is there? for a 2 partition disk |
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| 01:59.39 | hoo-hah | ;) |
| 01:59.41 | jmarsden | vdb: ever heard of a for loop? :) for i in /dev/sd* ; do commandofyourchoice $i ; done |
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| 01:59.58 | envirocbr | hello all |
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| 02:00.05 | envirocbr | i am stuck on an X issue |
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| 02:00.30 | hoo-hah | envirocbr: that narrows it down somewhat |
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| 02:00.36 | envirocbr | It looks like X will start only to fail and go to a bash prompt |
| 02:00.42 | confusid | hoo-hah nice! I'm going to test the vertual capabillity of debian.. I use to use deb about 9 years agoe.. want to see what it's capable of and move back to it :) |
| 02:01.03 | envirocbr | If i log in as root and then do a su - user |
| 02:01.08 | envirocbr | it goes into X |
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| 02:01.24 | hoo-hah | confusid: virtual? |
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| 02:01.53 | Linux-IRC | Hi, is anyone here ? |
| 02:02.01 | envirocbr | My problem is getting it to boot into X |
| 02:02.19 | confusid | hoo-hah sory.. long day.. yes virtual |
| 02:02.23 | envirocbr | automatically like it did when i first setup the machine; however, the only variable that is different here is the monitor |
| 02:02.27 | envirocbr | 15" Vs 17" |
| 02:02.33 | confusid | envirocbr have you setup your xorg.conf file? |
| 02:02.34 | vdb | jmarsden: a for loop won't do anything for me if I can't confirm the connection speed. dmesg spit out both connection speeds so i'm not sure what they are connecting as. |
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| 02:02.56 | envirocbr | confusid: Let me get a pastebin for you |
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| 02:03.05 | envirocbr | the xorg.conf file is nothing like i have seen |
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| 02:03.18 | envirocbr | Doesn't have resolution set in it |
| 02:03.24 | confusid | you have to set it |
| 02:03.36 | envirocbr | rather, it seems as if the resolution is set in /home/user/.bashrc |
| 02:03.54 | confusid | hmm.. |
| 02:04.03 | envirocbr | confusid: Why would it work on one monitor and not the next though, especially since they are the same brand and their only difference is 15" - 17" |
| 02:04.08 | Linux-IRC | From multimedia.org if i try to install anything , i get warning message for security, why ? |
| 02:04.13 | envirocbr | I am waiting for the machine to come up |
| 02:04.15 | hoo-hah | confusid: which virtualisation software? |
| 02:04.22 | envirocbr | so i can get a pastebhin for you |
| 02:04.47 | confusid | hoo-hah in fedora i used kvm.. I'm not sure about deb yet |
| 02:04.51 | jmarsden | vdb: Point is, if you can do it for just 1 drive, have 45 drives to check is not a "pain in the..." as you had suggested earlier. |
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| 02:05.16 | confusid | envirocbr your depth and resolution setting then also the vertical and horizontal settings |
| 02:05.54 | confusid | 15 to 17 are different even if same brand name |
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| 02:05.57 | hoo-hah | confusid: I think kvm, the img file will grow according to use |
| 02:06.09 | adam_ | Can't install Debian 5.0.3. Macintosh PPC G5. OS 10.5.8 on a separate partition. I type 'install', kernel loads, screen goes white w/ black text... Invalid memory access at (long string of numbers)... Last line reads "Release keys to continue!" Can't type anything at that point. Fans spin up, the system is frozen and I have to restart. |
| 02:06.20 | confusid | hoo-hah then I only need to fix my video and I'm back to deb :) |
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| 02:06.25 | hoo-hah | confusid: so a 10G file (that will be used for swap and root) should be okay |
| 02:06.42 | envirocbr | confusid: http://pastebin.ca/1706336 |
| 02:06.47 | envirocbr | and |
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| 02:07.05 | confusid | hoo-hah ty.. but what about a base install if only using a / for everything in deb? say 10g for virt + 20g for system? |
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| 02:07.29 | hoo-hah | what do you mean? |
| 02:07.30 | envirocbr | http://pastebin.ca/1706337 |
| 02:07.42 | Linux-IRC | From multimedia.org if i try to install anything , i get warning message for security, why ? |
| 02:07.47 | hoo-hah | 20G for non-kvm install? |
| 02:08.07 | hoo-hah | I think we're miscommunicating :) |
| 02:08.27 | confusid | hoo-hah would 20g be enouph for a base system install using x with fvwm? |
| 02:09.05 | hoo-hah | oh, that's gonna be plenty |
| 02:09.06 | confusid | envirocbr was that file created automaticaly by your X? |
| 02:09.17 | confusid | hoo-hah ty wanted to make sure :) |
| 02:09.35 | envirocbr | confusid: Yes |
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| 02:09.39 | envirocbr | I didn't create that by hand |
| 02:09.43 | hoo-hah | confusid: just for some reference: /dev/sdc4 7150M 2466M 4321M 34.5 [######............] / |
| 02:09.46 | hoo-hah | /dev/sdb2 96M 11M 79M 11.9 [##................] /boot |
| 02:09.49 | hoo-hah | /dev/sdc1 13G 5621M 7124M 41.9 [########..........] /data |
| 02:09.51 | hoo-hah | /dev/sdc2 10G 289M 9326M 2.9 [#.................] /home |
| 02:09.58 | envirocbr | we can paste in here? |
| 02:10.12 | hoo-hah | so really, / + /boot + /home is less than 10G |
| 02:10.18 | hoo-hah | envirocbr: I think for short pastes only |
| 02:10.29 | envirocbr | hasn't had to edit an xorg.conf file since he started to learn BSD's |
| 02:10.36 | envirocbr | hoo-hah: I see |
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| 02:10.49 | jmarsden | vdb: Are you seeing both speeds for the same "atax.yy" device in dmesg? I see one per device, here. |
| 02:11.03 | envirocbr | confusid: so what do you think, I have exhausted all options at this point and the confusin thing is i can log in as root and then su - user and X starts automatically |
| 02:11.40 | hoo-hah | confusid: /data contains apt package cache, and my 5GB kvm image of windows XP |
| 02:12.17 | confusid | envirocbr one sec looking at it |
| 02:12.21 | confusid | hoo-hah ty |
| 02:12.32 | envirocbr | confusid: thanks, I am trying a few other things as well, but to no avail |
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| 02:13.47 | amitz | what app/method to make an arbitrary application use a proxy? Something like tsocks but for http proxy? |
| 02:14.05 | amitz | specifically, I want to run svn through a proxy. |
| 02:14.10 | amitz | debian lenny |
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| 02:14.34 | olmedo | hello all! |
| 02:14.42 | envirocbr | confusid: I will be AFK for a few minutes, but I will heed to any advice you have for me |
| 02:14.44 | ootput | amitz: ssh? |
| 02:14.45 | envirocbr | thank you |
| 02:14.48 | olmedo | I have a problem with my debian and a file system |
| 02:15.08 | ootput | amitz: oh sorry, misread that |
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| 02:15.19 | olmedo | I will pastebin my error |
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| 02:15.51 | confusid | enveezee This is my xorg.conf file.. I use this same setup except a different resolution on my lapy.. which it use's 1366x768 instead of the 1024x768.. everything else is same.. |
| 02:15.52 | olmedo | http://pastebin.com/d6e2d9c5b |
| 02:16.11 | confusid | enveezee http://pastebin.ca/1706342 |
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| 02:17.21 | ootput | amitz: netcat with FIFO pipes |
| 02:17.22 | vdb | jmarsden: the problem is I'm using port multiplication and I'm having trouble idetifying the 3.0 and 1.5 ports. |
| 02:17.29 | vdb | i'll be back in a sec, I need to test something |
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| 02:18.46 | confusid | enveezee line 98 needs to match your video card, line 108 should be I missed pasted.. be DefaultDepth 24 if 24 is what you can run, line 131 need to match your resolution your monitor can use.. the rest should be auto detected but if not.. |
| 02:19.15 | amitz | ootput: googling, thanks! |
| 02:19.48 | confusid | enveezee set your virtical and horizontal by your monitor specs |
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| 02:21.39 | confusid | enveezee afk for a min.. |
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| 02:22.06 | jmarsden | vdb: I'm not sure what dmsg output with port multipliers looks like, but http://pastebin.com/f657b41e4 matches up devices and speeds for me here on a very basic desktop machine... |
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| 02:28.08 | ootput | amitz: np |
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| 02:51.42 | zanberdo | is there a way to force linux to probe for video output devices once booted? |
| 02:52.08 | zanberdo | specifically if I boot with my video switcher not selected to my linux box for input, linux does not initialize the DVI1 device |
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| 02:52.30 | zanberdo | when I switch to linux input on the switcher, no video |
| 02:52.38 | zanberdo | I can log into my box from remote via ssh |
| 02:52.49 | zanberdo | and using xrandr I can see what video devices are available |
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| 02:53.03 | zanberdo | but it does not show me DVI1 as available |
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| 02:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's probably not recognized? |
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| 02:53.51 | zanberdo | except that if I boot while the switcher is selected to linux is does find the output just fine |
| 02:54.01 | zanberdo | the problem is only when I boot and the switch box is switched to another device |
| 02:54.03 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: No, it's not initialized because at boot time it saw no monitor plugged into it... |
| 02:54.13 | zanberdo | that's what I thought jmarsden |
| 02:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should be able to switch with xrandr, really |
| 02:54.44 | zanberdo | so when I switch the switcher to the linux box input, I'd like to tell my OS "look for new devices" |
| 02:54.49 | zanberdo | nope |
| 02:54.50 | ge0rge007 | hello all! Can anyone please tell me how to remove parts of gnome (like ekiga) without remove the whole gnome-desktop metapackage? |
| 02:54.55 | jmarsden | I'm not sure if that is an issue with the card, or with Linux not doing the right thing... |
| 02:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, you should! |
| 02:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't say what card that is |
| 02:55.44 | zanberdo | CutMeOwnThroat, there are a lot of things I should be able to do, but this does not appear to be one of them. When I query with xrandr (-q) after boot xrandr only shows me Screen 0 (no VGA nor DVI) |
| 02:55.52 | zanberdo | intel 945gme |
| 02:57.00 | zanberdo | all I'd like to do, and maybe I'm not clear on how linux initialized video output, is tell my machine "hey, check for new video output again" while it running... |
| 02:57.03 | dutchfish | zanberdo, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show the EDID of that screen on connect? |
| 02:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try unloading and loading the kernel module... I guess that does have a kernel module? |
| 02:58.01 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, could be KMS with latest gem code |
| 02:58.01 | zanberdo | tail of the log shows the results during the boot which are "(EE) Screen(s) found, nut none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 02:58.17 | zanberdo | should be intel I's presume. let me check |
| 02:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be i915.ko |
| 02:58.41 | zanberdo | aye, lsmod shows me that. let me unload and reload it |
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| 02:59.56 | zanberdo | hmm... simply unloading i915 and reloading it (with rmmod i915 followed by modprobe i915) doesn't seem to resolve the issue. xrandr -q still shows just Screen 0 |
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| 03:00.06 | ogmios | Hi, new user here with a quick question |
| 03:00.09 | zanberdo | might need to do something else perhaps to bump it? |
| 03:00.17 | ogmios | aptitude full-upgrade on Squeeze looks like it wants to remove everything related to Pulseaudio... Is this okay or should I not let it ? |
| 03:00.41 | dutchfish | zanberdo, what kernel are you curently running? |
| 03:00.57 | zanberdo | 2.6.31-15 |
| 03:01.27 | zanberdo | technically, it's ubuntu, but I figure A) it's still basically debian and B) you guys seem to know more than the #ubuntu channel. |
| 03:01.28 | dutchfish | zanberdo, ha, try 2.6.32 stable its solved for that (i915) |
| 03:01.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | zanberdo, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548045 |
| 03:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaaah |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | zanberdo: please go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 03:01.50 | zanberdo | I sure how abrotman is a bot |
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| 03:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but an effective one |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | zanberdo: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 03:05.30 | limpio | hi, i'm using Lenny, want to watch you tube, already got flash, but when trying to configure the sound part, i thought i had to install 'alsa-base' but there is no such package, what's the correct package? |
| 03:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ogmios, you can do stuff like "aptitude why-not pulseaudio", also "apt-cache madison pulseaudio" shows you the versions available in the repositories you have in your sources.list |
| 03:05.51 | limpio | youtube |
| 03:06.03 | dondelelcaro | limpio: personally, I just use youtube-dl |
| 03:06.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell limpio about alsa checklist |
| 03:06.48 | ogmios | CutMe: Well honestly I'm confused, as I know there's "phonon" as well with the new Amarok (I think?) |
| 03:07.27 | ogmios | I just don't want to end up with no sound, but I guess I can always reinstall pulse |
| 03:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't use pulseaudio and haven't even heard of whatever phonon is |
| 03:08.24 | ogmios | System settings > multimedia > backend lists "Phonon Xine backend" and "Phonon GStreamer backend" |
| 03:08.56 | ogmios | oh well, I'll let it uninstall pulse and see what happens, bbiab. |
| 03:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you try aptitude why-not <yourpackage> first? |
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| 03:11.22 | jpinx-eeepc | second time lucky ;) |
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| 03:13.39 | ogmios | CutMeOwnThroat: full-upgrade went through and amaroK never stopped playing, guess that's a good thing ;p |
| 03:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't mean anything |
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| 03:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | used programs will not stop running if they are not explicitely killed by a pre-/post-inst script |
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| 03:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you'll find out... no later than after the next reboot |
| 03:15.28 | ogmios | I'm pretty sure pulseaudio was killed somewhere along the line |
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| 03:15.58 | ogmios | Oh one more question if anyone knows - Deb is forcing me to "fsck" every reboot |
| 03:16.07 | ogmios | says the file system has errors every time. |
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| 03:17.14 | ogmios | I'm not sure if that would have something to do with "MP BIOS BUG - can't connect to timer" or not ? |
| 03:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | shut down properly instead of just switching the machine off? |
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| 03:18.01 | ogmios | I made sure I did though |
| 03:18.37 | ogmios | Even when dropping to commandline first and using "reboot" as root (Can't remember the exact command) it still forced fsck on reboot |
| 03:19.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the fsck is not successful? |
| 03:19.58 | ogmios | I don't know - it goes all the wat to 100%, goes to a black screen, and then continues to boot |
| 03:20.16 | ogmios | But it's been doing it every boot since I installed Debian |
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| 03:22.11 | ogmios | Would |
| 03:22.15 | ogmios | MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC cause it ? |
| 03:22.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ogmios: dying hdd? |
| 03:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what bug number is that? |
| 03:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could boot into single-user mode and run the fsck manually... |
| 03:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't say what type of file system that is, though |
| 03:23.15 | ogmios | jpinx-eeepc: AFAIK there's no problems with the harddrive, I've moved a bunch of data from windows/linux/windows (between harddrives) and it's never been a problem |
| 03:23.43 | ogmios | CutMeOwnThroat: Honestly don't know what filesystem I'm on - it's whatever Debian defaults to (ext3?) |
| 03:24.00 | dutchfish | q: on a base system after flushing cache i end up with more used bytes every 20 min or so (curent stable) what tools can use to track down memory-leaks? Any lik to a howto would be welcome. |
| 03:24.19 | dutchfish | s/lik/hint |
| 03:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | type "mount" and look? |
| 03:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | a: valgrind? |
| 03:25.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ogmios: fdisk -l |
| 03:25.48 | ogmios | /dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) says mount |
| 03:26.11 | jpinx-eeepc | is that the only partition? |
| 03:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext3 shouldn't need fsck |
| 03:26.20 | ogmios | //dev/sdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) says mount |
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| 03:26.20 | a2f | anyone know what the alsa dev file package is called? |
| 03:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that the one you see the fsck on or another one? |
| 03:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell a2f -about search |
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| 03:26.43 | jpinx-eeepc | ogmios: what did fdisk -l output? |
| 03:27.03 | ogmios | jpinx: bash says fdisk isn't a valid command... |
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| 03:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... perhaps: apt-cache search alsa --names-only |grep dev |
| 03:27.55 | jpinx-eeepc | ogmios: as root |
| 03:28.01 | ogmios | heh, sec |
| 03:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think fdisk -l gives us anything that mount doesn't... as all filesystems he needs/uses still seem to become mounted |
| 03:29.22 | ogmios | Not sure what I'm looking for |
| 03:29.35 | ogmios | there's three HDD's mounted, but I mounted two of them manually after boot |
| 03:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | which partition did the fsck run on |
| 03:29.52 | ogmios | as two of them are still NTFS |
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| 03:30.18 | jpinx-eeepc | ogmios: which one is being forced to fsck at boottime |
| 03:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 03:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no fsck.ntfs - so it must be the ext3 |
| 03:30.34 | ogmios | I *think* the linux one, is there any way to look back through the logs ? |
| 03:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmest |
| 03:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmesg |
| 03:30.51 | jpinx-eeepc | i'd typed before I saw that 2 are ntfs... |
| 03:31.04 | ogmios | I would think it would have to be the ext3 one as deb shouldn't even know about the other two at boot, right ? |
| 03:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, I know :) |
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| 03:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess if you do 'mount / -o remount,ro' that fails? |
| 03:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | with mount: / is busy |
| 03:32.15 | ogmios | Should I try that now ? |
| 03:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can |
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| 03:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it probably just says "mount: / is busy" |
| 03:32.51 | ogmios | mount: / is busy yeah |
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| 03:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's because you're running X |
| 03:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
| 03:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I've had a hard time remounting ro even with just bash... IMO that's a bug |
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| 03:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, as I said - boot into single user mode on next reboot and run "fsck /dev/sdb1" manually |
| 03:34.20 | ogmios | "dmesg | grep fsck" returns nothing, so I guess the errors fsck spits out aren't in dmesg |
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| 03:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | they don't contain fsck |
| 03:35.10 | ogmios | Okay, I'll give that a try, you don't think that [ 0.036001] ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC has anything to do with it though ? |
| 03:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you still didn't say what bug number that is... |
| 03:35.53 | ogmios | I'm not sure what you mean, sorry :/ |
| 03:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't know what bug you mean either |
| 03:37.00 | ogmios | That's the message that shows up on boot, every time |
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| 03:37.45 | Linux-IRC | Is anyone here ? |
| 03:38.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ogmios: dead bios battery? |
| 03:38.39 | ogmios | jpinx-eeepc: Guess I could check that - wouldn't XP have a problem then too ? |
| 03:38.57 | ogmios | as is my system clock doesn't seem to keep time either, which I guess is related |
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| 03:39.39 | ikariW4 | Are the Squeeze repositories receiving updates from the Security Team now? |
| 03:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bus time |
| 03:40.02 | jpinx-eeepc | runs CutMeOwnThroat down with a numbr 9 bus |
| 03:40.08 | ogmios | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for the help |
| 03:40.13 | ogmios | jpinx-eeepc: You too |
| 03:40.23 | jpinx-eeepc | np |
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| 03:40.44 | jandro | Is anyone experiencing problems when trying to install totem? Apt tells me that totem-plugins is broken. Is this just my problem or it's a generalised one? |
| 03:41.03 | jpinx-eeepc | jandro: what release? |
| 03:41.16 | jandro | jpinx-eeepc: oh, sorry, for Squeeze |
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| 03:41.40 | jpinx-eeepc | welcome to queeze - it's currently broken afaik |
| 03:41.43 | jandro | jpinx-eeepc: Squeeze amd64 |
| 03:41.50 | rpgdude | when i suspend my machine, it works fine, but not if compiz is running |
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| 03:42.07 | rpgdude | im using a eeepc 1000 |
| 03:42.11 | Lincesilenciosa | :) |
| 03:42.44 | jandro | jpinx-eeepc: aha, I thought so, I'm also having troubles with gnome-power-manager and few more |
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| 03:42.53 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
| 03:43.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 03:43.08 | dpkg | somebody said testing was a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 03:44.18 | ikariW4 | While we're talking about squeeze...Anyone know if it's getting security updates? |
| 03:44.20 | rpgdude | can i modify my acpi scripts to switch before suspend and after resume? |
| 03:44.27 | ikariW4 | I get conflicting info from the debian website |
| 03:44.55 | PovAddict | ikariW4: I read that it's inherently the one that gets slowest security updates; but not really by much |
| 03:45.40 | PovAddict | 'stable' gets special security support, and 'unstable' gets any package updates (security or not) faster than the others |
| 03:45.40 | jandro | jpinx-eeepc: thanks, do you reckon once the packages get fixed, my dependencies will be solved by the "apt-get upgrade" command? |
| 03:46.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jandro: use aptitude and - maybe;) |
| 03:46.08 | ikariW4 | PovAddict: Thanks. I was confused by the site saying they weren't doing update right now, then their FAQ saying they are. |
| 03:46.37 | abrotman | rpgdude: you can modify them to do whatever you want .. they're your scripts |
| 03:46.42 | PovAddict | ikariW4: well I may be wrong on exactly that conflicting info |
| 03:46.52 | PovAddict | ikariW4: maybe now testing *is* getting the same kind of "special support" as stable |
| 03:46.55 | abrotman | ikariW4: it's setup to get security updates, but in reality, it's gotten like four |
| 03:47.14 | jandro | jpinx-eeepc: cheers |
| 03:47.19 | rpgdude | abrotman: where do i put the modifications? |
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| 03:47.30 | ikariW4 | PovAddict: Thanks for the info though, I never knew it was "last teir" |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | rpgdude: /etc/acpi/ i think is where they live |
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| 03:48.11 | PovAddict | ikariW4: well, package updates go to unstable... after some days without anyone finding serious problems, it gets pushed to testing |
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| 04:03.03 | Corndawg_ | quick question about ssh login using keys... is it better to gen the keys on the server or the client? |
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| 04:03.24 | ootput | Corndawg_: depends on push/pull procedure |
| 04:04.06 | Corndawg_ | ootput> can you explain further? |
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| 04:05.24 | Corndawg_ | also I take it I should set the priv key chmod 700? |
| 04:05.44 | Corndawg_ | is that sufficient or should I take it out of the .ssh dir and put it somewhere else too? |
| 04:05.50 | Corndawg_ | best practice of course |
| 04:05.51 | ootput | entire .ssh dir would be better |
| 04:06.18 | Corndawg_ | hmm why doesnt deb do by default when creating the dir |
| 04:07.09 | ootput | it wouldn't be Debian's decision to make |
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| 04:09.38 | puff | So, lenny is current stable, right? |
| 04:10.05 | puff | is there any easy way to tell what files have been modified since a package was installed? |
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| 04:10.35 | ootput | regarding generation of keys, it wouldn't matter as private and public can be used interchangeably on server or client. It depends on which you're more likely to perform operations on and if you trust the admin(s) on either |
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| 04:11.15 | Corndawg_ | ootput> sshd's decision? |
| 04:11.24 | WormFood | Corndawg_, it is better to generate the client's keys on the client....and the server keys on the server |
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| 04:12.06 | ootput | Corndawg_: that's the general idea |
| 04:12.24 | WormFood | otherwise you'll need a secure channel to get the private key across |
| 04:12.27 | WormFood | Corndawg_, do you understand how the private key/public key thing works? (not details, but in general) |
| 04:12.41 | puff | I have a box that's on etch. It's running a user mode linuxd virtual machine, so the kernel and bootloading are handled by the server the image is running on. |
| 04:12.42 | ootput | though for something like rsync over ssh, it's often better to pull rather than push |
| 04:12.44 | Corndawg_ | hmm I guess Im confused about all these tutoruals thay say step 1: gen keys on box A step 2: copy key to box B |
| 04:12.50 | Corndawg_ | huh copy? |
| 04:12.55 | Corndawg_ | what about seperate keys |
| 04:12.56 | puff | So if I upgrade to etch, it won't upgrade the kernel image, right? |
| 04:13.06 | ootput | Corndawg_: scp |
| 04:13.10 | puff | Should I upgrade the kernel image before or after I do the dist-upgrade? |
| 04:13.17 | PovAddict | upgrade *to* etch? |
| 04:13.20 | ootput | Corndawg_: or though external media |
| 04:13.23 | Corndawg_ | WormFood> sort of but not well enough apparently |
| 04:13.24 | puff | ootput: Really? (pull/push)? |
| 04:13.24 | ootput | *through |
| 04:13.30 | puff | Er, upgrade from etch to lenny. |
| 04:14.01 | ootput | puff: yes, e.g. backups |
| 04:14.07 | Corndawg_ | I understand better in pics than with words since that communicates better to me... unfortuatly most of these tutorials are verbal not visual |
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| 04:14.15 | puff | Corndawg_: The point of using keys for ssh authentication requires to to have a copy of the public key on the box you're logging into. |
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| 04:14.43 | puff | ootput: Why? |
| 04:14.49 | puff | Corndawg_: Do you understand the general concept of public/private key encryption? |
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| 04:15.12 | Corndawg_ | ok so then better to gen on the client and copy public... that way priv never has to leave the box it's gen'ed on? |
| 04:15.22 | puff | Corndawg_: Yes. |
| 04:15.43 | WormFood | yes it does matter...that is the whole idea behind public key/private key....if you generate the client keys on the server, then how do you get the private key to the client? You need a secure channel to do that. |
| 04:15.43 | ootput | puff: are you genuinely inquisitive, or is this some your tact? |
| 04:15.44 | puff | Corndawg_: Generally speaking, the only concern about where you generate the key is that it is, defacto, going to have the private key on it for some length of time. |
| 04:16.07 | ootput | -some |
| 04:16.09 | puff | ootput: About which? |
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| 04:16.31 | puff | ootput: About rsync, you commented that it was sometimes better to pull than to push, speificaly as an example when you're making backups. |
| 04:16.38 | ootput | 15:13 â¹puff⺠ootput: Really? (pull/push)? |
| 04:16.43 | puff | ootput: I am curious as to what makes it better. |
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| 04:17.09 | puff | ootput: Since I just got finished rsyncing about 80GB from one box to another, it's not an academic question for me, but rather a practical question. |
| 04:17.23 | Corndawg_ | WormFood> sec chan isnt a prob I have physical access to both boxes and an ironkey |
| 04:17.43 | puff | Corndawg_: Therefore, it would be better to have the private key on a more secure box, if one of the two is more secure. |
| 04:17.51 | Corndawg_ | but if I remove the priv from server (it only needs pub right) then is shred -u good enough to remove |
| 04:18.02 | WormFood | Corndawg_, when you generate the keys, you get 2 keys....one key is made public, and one key is kept private....usually, if someone wants to send you a message, they encrypt it with your private key....you are the only one that can decrypt it with your private key |
| 04:18.07 | WormFood | so, if you generate your client keys on the server, the server gets your public key...it is not secret, anyone can get it.....but your private key needs to remain private, or anyone can login as you (hopefully you have a key on your password) |
| 04:18.12 | puff | Corndawg_: You have to have access to the private key on whichever box you are initiating the ssh session from. |
| 04:18.17 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: I used to pull backups because it seemed quicker, but there could have been many reasons for that |
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| 04:18.31 | ootput | puff: not the best example, but consider reading http://www.infrastructures.org/bootstrap/pushpull.shtml |
| 04:18.39 | WormFood | Corndawg_, if you have physical access, then your usb is your "secure channel"...in that case, it really does not matter where you generate the keys |
| 04:18.47 | puff | WormFood: You messed up the private/private thing, there. |
| 04:19.09 | WormFood | Corndawg_, since you're somewhat of a noob (no offense), it is probably easier to generate your keys on the client, then copy your public key to the server |
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| 04:19.20 | WormFood | right puff |
| 04:19.38 | WormFood | I mean to say, if someone wants to send you a message, they (the public), encrypts it with your public key |
| 04:19.45 | puff | Okay, anybody have a clue on my etch/lenny kernel image questieon? |
| 04:19.53 | ootput | puff: essentially, I'd rather that my backup server (which isn't always on) poll for changes on desktop machine rather than the other way round |
| 04:19.59 | WormFood | thanks for pointing out my typo puff ;) |
| 04:20.20 | Corndawg_ | k cool... one last question then, why doesnt the client need a pub key of the servers to send data back the other wya? |
| 04:20.36 | WormFood | Corndawg_, it gets that through the login process |
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| 04:20.47 | WormFood | do an ssh -v and you can see more messages about what is going on |
| 04:20.48 | Corndawg_ | ok so they use symetric for that |
| 04:21.10 | Corndawg_ | ? |
| 04:21.20 | Corndawg_ | the pub/priv is only for passphrse sent right? |
| 04:21.24 | WormFood | the public key/private key is computationally intensive, so they just use that for authentication, then exchange of symetrical keys |
| 04:21.25 | Corndawg_ | maybe some other auth data too |
| 04:21.31 | puff | Corndawg_: No... the public and private key are used to set up the channnel bewteen the server. |
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| 04:22.02 | WormFood | the channel is not encrypted using RSA (public key/private key) |
| 04:22.08 | puff | Corndawg_: The client connects with the server and authenticates through a process called "Zero knowledge transfer authentication". |
| 04:22.39 | Corndawg_ | yeah they just use the pub/priv to send a symetric from one to the other right |
| 04:22.43 | Corndawg_ | then that for the comm |
| 04:22.44 | puff | Corndawg_: In a nutshell, the server uses the public key to compose a question for the client, that the client can only solve if it has the private key. |
| 04:22.44 | WormFood | right Corndawg_ |
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| 04:22.58 | Corndawg_ | ahh ok cool... it makes sense now |
| 04:23.02 | WormFood | puff, he does not need to know the details...just in general |
| 04:23.06 | puff | Corndawg_: They then set up an encrypted channel using old-fashioned encryption. |
| 04:23.19 | WormFood | it is actually pretty clever how the whole thing works |
| 04:23.20 | Corndawg_ | no details are good :) |
| 04:23.23 | puff | WormFood: Some of the details help in understanding what's going on. |
| 04:23.26 | dutchfish | i was wondering why nobody mentionned the usefullness of git in a rsync process wich isnt sheduled in a timely fashion;) |
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| 04:23.30 | WormFood | right, but not too much details |
| 04:23.44 | Corndawg_ | its these damn tutorials trying to simplify and hide info that confuses me about the whle thing |
| 04:23.48 | Corndawg_ | ;) |
| 04:23.56 | WormFood | Corndawg_, I have the same problem |
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| 04:24.03 | puff | Okay, anybody have a clue on my etch/lenny kernel image questieon? |
| 04:24.04 | puff | Sigh. |
| 04:24.17 | WormFood | step-by-step instructions are good, but not when they don't tell you why you're doing what they tell you to do |
| 04:24.24 | Corndawg_ | I thnk the thing is that for us visual ppl a picture does so much more explaining than words... I need a book or somthing :P |
| 04:24.25 | dutchfish | puff, can you rephrase, i missed it |
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| 04:24.35 | Corndawg_ | WormFood> exactly! |
| 04:24.42 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: from memory the kernel will be upgraded when you go sarge->etch |
| 04:24.51 | WormFood | I was senior systems administrator for an ISP, and the admins under me were doing stuff by rote...they really didn't understand how everything worked |
| 04:25.18 | WormFood | when I was telling them what to do, I'd explain why...it gave them a much better idea of how everything worked...they loved me for explaining things |
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| 04:25.25 | puff | dutchfish: I have an etch installation running on a usermodelinux virtual machine. I wish to upgrade from etch to lenny. However, the kernel and lilo are handled by the usermodelinux image, so they have to be upgraded separately. How is this normally handled? |
| 04:25.26 | Corndawg_ | one can be step by step instructed to hack, but not explained why... it's called being a script kitty |
| 04:25.34 | Corndawg_ | but then... someppl want just that :P |
| 04:25.49 | puff | dutchfish: I.e. do I do the dist-upgrade on the etch image, then askthe usermodelinux admin to upgrade my kernel? |
| 04:25.50 | hoo-hah | cats can code?! |
| 04:26.01 | dutchfish | puff, my first thought would be in a chroot when the vm is down? |
| 04:26.03 | hoo-hah | one more reason for me to hate them with a passion |
| 04:26.10 | puff | dutchfish: Or do I ask the usermodelinux admin to upgrade my kernel and then do the dist-upgrade? |
| 04:26.12 | WormFood | Corndawg_, I actually find that harder to understand....the way my brain works, I need to understand how/why everything is doing what it is...then I can remember it and manage it easier |
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| 04:26.14 | confusid | who would I contact about adding fvwm to the respitory? |
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| 04:26.49 | WormFood | ok, I'm out of here, you all have a good day/evening/whatever |
| 04:26.55 | dutchfish | puff, i dont know the intrinsics of usermod elinux, but in xen/kvm i do it in a chroot |
| 04:26.55 | puff | WormFood: I have this concept I call shallow complexity. |
| 04:26.58 | Corndawg_ | ya me too, but some do better with rote mem |
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| 04:27.09 | puff | dutchfish: Right, but before or after dist-upgrading the image? |
| 04:27.29 | puff | dutchfish: Er, dist-upgrading inside the running image? |
| 04:27.37 | dutchfish | puff, host first; and make backups first ! |
| 04:27.42 | hoo-hah | puff: isn't ironic then that you named the concept that way? |
| 04:27.51 | puff | hoo-hah: That wa sintentional. |
| 04:27.56 | Corndawg_ | cool thanksd for the help :) |
| 04:28.33 | puff | hoo-hah: The general concept, and maybe the term wasn't quite right to describe it, is that some topics just plain are complex, and you're best off not trying to dumb it down, but rather focus on removnig any extraneous elements that complicate dealing with the real complexity. |
| 04:28.41 | hoo-hah | Corndawg_: lol, a good guide would've sufficed and taken you less than 1 minute to re-enact |
| 04:29.00 | hoo-hah | Corndawg_: curiously, which did you refer to |
| 04:29.00 | dutchfish | puff, and if you worry about breakage, what i do is reply a copy of the vm to a test envirenmnet and do it there first |
| 04:29.01 | puff | hoo-hah: A corollary of which is, may attempts to dumb down the handling of complex things merely result in burying the complexity deep, and making it even harder to understand and manage it. |
| 04:29.39 | dutchfish | puff, then there are no surprises left ;) |
| 04:29.39 | puff | dutchfish: host first meaning, upgrade the kernel image first? |
| 04:29.54 | dutchfish | puff, yes, when the vm is down of coarse |
| 04:29.57 | hoo-hah | puff: burying complexity is in most admin's job description |
| 04:30.00 | puff | dutchfish: Yeah.. okay. |
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| 04:30.07 | hoo-hah | which is why they're so expendable |
| 04:30.20 | dutchfish | puff, but whatever you do make thos ebackups |
| 04:30.30 | hoo-hah | let the next chump handle the perversion of knowledge |
| 04:30.53 | puff | dutchfish: Actually this is a new image that I'm porting an old server to, so worst case, I just install from scratch and port stuff over again. |
| 04:31.07 | dutchfish | puff, okay then |
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| 04:31.21 | dutchfish | puff, if you know your stuff then it will work out well |
| 04:31.46 | puff | I wonder if ther's a user mode linux channel. |
| 04:32.12 | dutchfish | puff, no idee, i left that concept years ago |
| 04:32.20 | puff | concept? |
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| 04:32.35 | dutchfish | puff, usermode linux in that form |
| 04:32.40 | puff | Ah. |
| 04:32.43 | ootput | irc.usermodelinux.org ? |
| 04:32.45 | puff | Is there any way to see what files in a package have been altered? |
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| 04:33.19 | dutchfish | puff, i use rkhunter (secwise) and there is fam and family |
| 04:33.32 | puff | ootput: no route to host. |
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| 04:33.50 | puff | I have a script that tallies up the diskspace taken up bI have a script that tallies up the files in each package. |
| 04:33.55 | puff | Whoops. |
| 04:33.57 | ootput | puff: #uml on oftc |
| 04:34.13 | puff | Wah's oftc? |
| 04:34.14 | ootput | meh, google skills nought |
| 04:34.15 | puff | I have a script that tallies up the diskspace taken up by the files in each package. |
| 04:34.20 | dutchfish | puff, mm... would take to much cycles to my likings |
| 04:34.34 | ootput | puff: that's what irc.debian.net resolves to |
| 04:34.43 | puff | Ah-hah. |
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| 04:35.04 | puff | I was thinking it would be useful to have a version of this script that finds files tha that have been altered, and to find files that have been added. |
| 04:35.10 | dutchfish | puff, git maybe ;) |
| 04:35.16 | puff | So I'd know what changed, what files might contain user data, etc. |
| 04:35.30 | puff | Heh, yeah. |
| 04:35.52 | dutchfish | puff, if you combine the goodies of git with rsync ;) |
| 04:37.29 | dutchfish | puff, git is totally underestimated, it can be used for much more then poeple tend to use it for |
| 04:38.17 | dutchfish | puff, delve in it, and you will be surprised |
| 04:38.22 | hoo-hah | dutchfish: it can also be overkill for what most people use it for |
| 04:38.41 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, redundacy and speed is never overkill |
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| 04:39.14 | hoo-hah | the number of single-user dotfile repos on github are shocking |
| 04:39.33 | puff | dutchfish: See, the problem is, I want to figure out right now what files were changed in the past on this system I: already have. |
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| 04:40.07 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, i didnt say blindly use it for everything, but think again about the combination of rsync/git if used properly gains of 800% are possible |
| 04:40.10 | hoo-hah | compare modfication time with creation time? |
| 04:41.14 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, that depends on your needs |
| 04:41.32 | hoo-hah | dutchfish: rsync over ssh as the transport? |
| 04:41.43 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, yes |
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| 04:42.05 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, tip: you dont need to sync .git |
| 04:42.49 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, just the sync-signed-hashes |
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| 04:42.55 | vdb2 | is there a program that will export lmsensors information to the console? |
| 04:43.08 | vdb2 | I want to check on fan speed and temps but I'm not sure how |
| 04:44.10 | PinkFreud | vdb2: 'sensors' |
| 04:44.23 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, after all you have full control over source and clone |
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| 04:47.52 | dutchfish | puff, if you do it that way you have the nice bonus of all the git nitty-gritty to jump back/forth in time in a jiffy when its neaded the most i.e. when bad comes to worse |
| 04:48.01 | dutchfish | puff, and that on both sides |
| 04:48.22 | hoo-hah | dutchfish: sorry, I had to scroll back a bit to see the other side of the conversation |
| 04:48.31 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, np |
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| 04:49.15 | hoo-hah | puff: what sort of backups will they be? |
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| 04:49.42 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, excellent q |
| 04:50.24 | dutchfish | puff, hoo-hah if binary is your main part; then my concept is not that swell, but for data/config/source its THE method |
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| 04:50.56 | vdb2 | do sata drives have thermal sensors installed in them or does apple just go the extra mile when they build their computers? |
| 04:51.20 | PinkFreud | vdb2: most drives do nowadays |
| 04:51.37 | hoo-hah | vdb2: apple wouldn't have the expertise to come up with something like that on their own :) |
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| 04:51.58 | dutchfish | puff, hoo-hah even mysql dumps work very well with that |
| 04:52.06 | vdb2 | well I know on the older G4s they actually glued thermal sensors to the outside of drives |
| 04:52.10 | vdb2 | I just wasn't sure if they still did that |
| 04:52.24 | hoo-hah | vdb2: heh that's bit tacky |
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| 04:52.40 | vdb2 | is there any way to check the thermal status of my drives in console? |
| 04:52.50 | PinkFreud | vdb2: smartctl |
| 04:54.00 | vdb2 | ah so it reads smart information |
| 04:54.11 | vdb2 | I didn't think thermal information was part of that |
| 04:54.22 | PinkFreud | technically, SMART keeps track of drive temperature. :) |
| 04:54.32 | vdb2 | did not know that |
| 04:54.43 | vdb2 | on startup I always get an error that says smart is disabled |
| 04:54.43 | hoo-hah | dutchfish: I've got something to work on in my spare time. thanks :) |
| 04:54.45 | PinkFreud | you do now :P |
| 04:54.57 | vdb2 | what log do I check to find out where i need to change that |
| 04:54.59 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, good luck, feel free to tag me if needed |
| 04:55.00 | PinkFreud | vdb2: that's probably smartd. |
| 04:55.12 | vdb2 | yea I think so |
| 04:55.16 | hoo-hah | count on it :) |
| 04:55.17 | PinkFreud | you need to configure smartd if you want the daemon to monitor your drives. |
| 04:55.33 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, :) |
| 04:55.37 | PinkFreud | smartctl will work just fine on it's own regardless, though |
| 04:55.55 | PinkFreud | the daemon just provides automated monitoring. |
| 04:56.03 | vdb2 | hmmm |
| 04:56.14 | vdb2 | when I type smartctl and one of my drives I don't get any information back |
| 04:56.29 | PinkFreud | vdb2: indeed. you need to specify which information you want. |
| 04:56.36 | vdb2 | oh... |
| 04:56.40 | vdb2 | n/m man smartctl :) |
| 04:56.43 | hoo-hah | does hddtemp interact with smartctl? |
| 04:56.47 | hoo-hah | I'm guessing it does |
| 04:56.47 | PinkFreud | -a is useful to retrieve all information. read the man page for other options. |
| 04:56.55 | vdb2 | I will thanks |
| 04:57.26 | PinkFreud | hoo-hah: it might just retrieve SMART data itself without help from smartctl |
| 04:58.00 | PinkFreud | I'm not entirely certain, though |
| 04:58.42 | hoo-hah | I think it's output may be more convenient for scripting purposes, at least |
| 04:58.55 | hoo-hah | wouldn't know which is more efficient at probing sensors |
| 04:59.39 | PinkFreud | hoo-hah: quite possible. it does focus on just the hdd temp. |
| 04:59.48 | PinkFreud | good suggestion :) |
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| 05:01.21 | hoo-hah | :) |
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| 05:01.37 | konbon | Hello |
| 05:01.54 | konbon | anyone know how i can install a package manager in Debian? |
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| 05:02.56 | hoo-hah | konbon: which packages in particular? |
| 05:03.33 | konbon | i want to install something similar to Synaptic Package manager or, that one, if possible |
| 05:04.06 | hoo-hah | konbon: what's stopping you? :) |
| 05:04.32 | konbon | i dont know how to do it :( |
| 05:04.40 | konbon | whats the command for it? |
| 05:04.45 | dutchfish | konbon, a packagemanager is installed already, it comes with the base install |
| 05:05.11 | hoo-hah | konbon: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement |
| 05:05.46 | konbon | dutchfish: whats the name of the package manager ? |
| 05:05.54 | konbon | Thanks hoo-hah :) |
| 05:05.55 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 05:05.56 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 05:05.56 | vdb2 | so....I'm reading the man and I need some help understanding something |
| 05:06.06 | konbon | Ah ok |
| 05:06.09 | konbon | Thanks :) |
| 05:06.13 | dutchfish | yw |
| 05:06.22 | ootput | vdb2: the man is a complex beast |
| 05:06.28 | konbon | Oh, this is not a gui packaga manager? |
| 05:06.42 | vdb2 | smart -l scttemp /dev/foobar prints out great information but where is that information being stored? |
| 05:06.42 | konbon | package* |
| 05:06.48 | prince_jammys | konbon: ''aptitude install synaptic'', if that's what you want. |
| 05:06.59 | konbon | i'll try that |
| 05:07.00 | vdb2 | if my smart demon is disabled does that mean that information is being stored on the drive itself somehow? |
| 05:07.06 | konbon | sorry, im a total noob to terminal |
| 05:07.08 | vdb2 | that doesn't make sense |
| 05:07.14 | konbon | but i dont want to go back to windows ever again |
| 05:07.35 | PinkFreud | vdb2: SMART is implemented in drive firmware, yes |
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| 05:08.08 | vdb2 | PinkFreud: yes I know that, but smartctl -l is a log reader. does the drive itself store logs of itself? |
| 05:08.09 | PinkFreud | vdb2: the only thing smartd does is query SMART on the drive on occasion, and let you know if any values change. |
| 05:08.30 | PinkFreud | vdb2: many drives do keep a log of SMART events, yes |
| 05:08.37 | vdb2 | wow |
| 05:08.45 | PinkFreud | again, that's all in firmware |
| 05:09.01 | PinkFreud | the data isn't stored on disk. |
| 05:09.16 | vdb2 | well I meant on the nand somewhere sorry |
| 05:10.15 | PinkFreud | anyway, time for me to wander bedwards |
| 05:10.28 | vdb2 | I just didn't think smart logs would be stored locally. I was under the impression that smart information had to be querreyed (sp?) and then logged on the FS |
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| 05:10.48 | PinkFreud | vdb2: that is indeed the case. |
| 05:11.03 | PinkFreud | you need to query them. that's what smartctl and smartd are for. |
| 05:11.17 | PinkFreud | at least, from userland. |
| 05:11.40 | PinkFreud | anyway, gnite |
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| 05:11.43 | vdb2 | now it's time to build a script that will watch the temp of all 45 disks :) |
| 05:11.49 | vdb2 | night freud |
| 05:16.16 | konbon | Just installed Synaptic :) |
| 05:16.22 | konbon | Thanks for the help fellas :) |
| 05:16.29 | konbon | much appreciated. |
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| 05:27.50 | rxt0 | Hi all, is there any instruction for setting up bridge network interfaces on a debian server which does nat/masquerade for a winxp install? (2 nics, wan/lan) |
| 05:28.40 | rxt0 | headless and no X |
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| 05:31.08 | dkr | rxt0: lartc.org might give you some clues |
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| 05:34.46 | gauge | is debian-testing called sqeeze? |
| 05:35.45 | gauge | I was hopign to download the iso for the lastest in debian/testing. |
| 05:35.48 | jmarsden | gauge: Yes. |
| 05:35.53 | gauge | wicked. |
| 05:36.21 | jmarsden | Sid is the really wicked one :) |
| 05:36.39 | rxt0 | dkr: thanks |
| 05:36.40 | gauge | ooooohhh.. shiny. |
| 05:36.56 | gauge | is this the right place : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 05:37.09 | jmarsden | gauge: Looks right to me. |
| 05:37.37 | gauge | wicked. |
| 05:38.04 | gauge | I just went on what feels like a trip. I had FreeBSD running for about 4 or 5 days. |
| 05:38.09 | gauge | ...didn't go so well. |
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| 05:38.33 | jmarsden | I've run FreeBSD and NetBSD servers for years... :) |
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| 05:38.46 | jmarsden | But this is #debian |
| 05:39.20 | gauge | Yeah, and Freebsd (not debain) did not like apm, a 300mhz pentium II, or legacy usb. |
| 05:40.13 | rxt0 | What's the diference between stock debian kernel and xen-enabled kernel? aside from the xen-hypervisor obviously |
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| 05:47.54 | dutchfish | rxt0, http://www.xen.org/support/documentation.html |
| 05:48.03 | powertool08 | When I try to stream with vlc over a lan, I'm getting a transcode failed error. I'm thinking this is because ffmpeg is crippled for drm purposes. Does it work for anyone else? |
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| 05:53.03 | dutchfish | powertool08, maybe if you show us your logs, someone might be able to help you (use pastebin for that) |
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| 06:04.21 | alhadi | hi |
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| 06:25.01 | bazyli | hi all |
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| 06:30.33 | yakamo | anyone recommend a good site for setting up mutt for gmail? |
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| 06:40.37 | jmarsden | yakamo: Maybe http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/howto_setup_mutt_with_gmail_imap |
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| 07:52.23 | rgr | I dont think I ever saw testing so busy! |
| 07:54.07 | indent | rgr > what do you mean ? |
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| 08:03.32 | flourish | hello all, my server hangs tomorrow and here is the message: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=2178&key=220804be06114 |
| 08:03.38 | alnr | hello, i'm trying to complete a dist-upgrade. I had to install some packages with install. there are a few packages remaining the wont install. http://pastebin.org/62056 I think ucf is one of the problem packages. can anyone suggest a try from here |
| 08:04.54 | flourish | sorry, in the morning today |
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| 08:07.05 | konbon | Thanks for all the info fellas |
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| 08:07.22 | konbon | i have just now completed my mission of getting rid of any windows os |
| 08:07.31 | konbon | Debian with xfce ftw :) |
| 08:07.54 | konbon | have a good day / night everyone. Peace n Love. |
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| 08:14.18 | danielito | are there packages for sqlite2 in debian? |
| 08:16.41 | powertool08 | danielito: Not sure if they are the ones you are looking for, but there are several with some connection to sqlite2. Try 'apt-cache search sqlite2' as root or with sudo for a list. |
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| 08:17.06 | danielito | powertool08: already did, wihtout success |
| 08:18.24 | sanderj | When it says: shutdown[7727]: shutting down for system halt |
| 08:18.24 | sanderj | .. in /var/log/messages.. does that mean that somebody issued shutdown -h now ? |
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| 08:18.40 | powertool08 | danielito: Then I guess you could look for alternate repo's or build from source. |
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| 08:19.05 | danielito | powertool08: cumbersome... damn |
| 08:19.07 | danielito | but thx |
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| 08:20.50 | powertool08 | danielito: If you know what you're looking for, maybe there is a .deb file somewhere out there? |
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| 08:30.10 | Shadur | Hmm. I'm trying to use the allow-hotplug stanza in /etc/network/interfaces to bring up an ethernet interface when the link goes from down to active, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to make it work. Any tips? |
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| 08:40.25 | alnr | apt-get installing is failing with touch: setting times of `/etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering': Bad address. i tried to touch manually same error. actually any touch of any file gives this error, what does it mean? |
| 08:42.15 | sauvin | "bad address"? |
| 08:42.29 | Shadur | Never calls, never writes... |
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| 08:49.34 | solars | hi, can anyone experienced with photography under linux suggest a colorimeter that is working more or less? (even through virtualbox)? |
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| 08:52.04 | frostschutz | solars: you can usually copy the profile file over from windows (had a cheap one where I did that but cheap ones are pointless) |
| 08:52.30 | OpenTokix | solars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_color_management |
| 08:52.42 | solars | frostschutz, yeah .. I heard that spyder2 even works under linux... but spyder 3 pro seems to be better |
| 08:52.54 | solars | OpenTokix, I know it, but there is nothing about the colorimeters really |
| 08:53.12 | frostschutz | solars: yeah, spyder is exactly the one i have, forget that one |
| 08:53.20 | solars | which one? |
| 08:53.25 | solars | its one of the standard ones.. |
| 08:53.26 | frostschutz | spyder2 |
| 08:53.30 | solars | and why? |
| 08:53.32 | alnr | this problem with touch always failing (also cp when updating time) is catastrophic, cant do any apt-get installs (and i was in middle of a dist-upgrade). i trid moving touch out of the way and linking /bin/true; that helped but installs still fail similarly on cp |
| 08:53.43 | frostschutz | cause it sucks? |
| 08:53.46 | frostschutz | can't do anything |
| 08:53.49 | solars | but why |
| 08:53.55 | solars | and compared to what? |
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| 08:58.22 | frostschutz | solars: see if you can get a dtp 94 |
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| 09:01.58 | solars | frostschutz, what are the differences? I mean, I'm not familar with those kind of tools, so its quite difficult |
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| 09:02.42 | solars | dtp 94 seems to be discontinued |
| 09:02.56 | lotus-blade | anyone know how to get mysql to start? |
| 09:03.35 | lotus-blade | I have it start at boot, but it got killed by mistake |
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| 09:05.17 | lotus-blade | I tried mysqld_safe --user=mysql & but it dies after I log out |
| 09:05.25 | solars | frostschutz, some recommend eye-one over spyder2 because the spyder2 hardware seems to vary a lot in quality |
| 09:05.31 | frostschutz | solars: spyder2 is just too old to be useful (doesnt work right with tfts), the dtp94 got very good reviews and apparently it works with linux software |
| 09:05.45 | solars | ah |
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| 09:06.20 | solars | frostschutz, but in theory, it doesn't matter if I use it under virtualbox+win and just import the profile? |
| 09:06.47 | frostschutz | solars: I'd use it under native windows, not virtualbox |
| 09:06.54 | frostschutz | solars: if it didnt work with linux anyway |
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| 09:07.26 | solars | is there a difference? I don't have windows on my machines |
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| 09:16.32 | rgr | lotus-blade: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
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| 09:30.56 | amitz | what's a suggested package like untangle in debian lenny? |
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| 09:32.44 | sauvin | What's "untangle"? |
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| 09:35.22 | rgr | network filtering. |
| 09:36.13 | Teaboy`work | !untangle |
| 09:36.21 | Teaboy`work | :( |
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| 09:41.24 | empiric | guys i have multiple dir in a folder i want to have du to show size of individual dir in a folder |
| 09:41.45 | empiric | any du switch that can help |
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| 09:46.47 | sepski | du -sh /folder/* |
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| 09:58.51 | mycelium | hello. why apt-pinning is not work: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/12717 |
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| 10:01.57 | mycelium | and forget this: |
| 10:01.57 | mycelium | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.57 | mycelium | Package: * |
| 10:01.57 | mycelium | Pin: release o=prosody, l=prosody |
| 10:01.57 | mycelium | Pin-Priority: 995 |
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| 10:08.04 | simonrvn | !tell mycelium -about paste |
| 10:08.04 | sweetandy | Does anybody know of any 3D maze "games"? I can't find any with a simple apt-cache search. |
| 10:08.04 | sweetandy | I don't really care if there's no actual way to win, just to walk around a 3d maze |
| 10:08.40 | sweetandy | ...or should I program it myself? |
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| 10:10.42 | simonrvn | might want to check out ... ah damn |
| 10:10.57 | simonrvn | hates that |
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| 10:13.45 | mycelium | and what about apt-pinning? |
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| 10:22.23 | krion | yo |
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| 10:48.14 | rgr | sweetandy: google is good I heard. glmaze appears at the top. |
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| 10:48.26 | rgr | or yeah, you could program it yourself ... |
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| 10:48.59 | sweetandy | rgr: Yeah, I saw glmaze |
| 10:49.13 | sweetandy | Thought there might be a deb package |
| 10:50.04 | rgr | not if synaptic search says not. There are a billion and one java 3d mazes onilne too I would guess. |
| 10:50.18 | rgr | e.g http://www.falstad.com/maze/ |
| 10:50.50 | sweetandy | I can't have java on this platform |
| 10:50.51 | sweetandy | :/ |
| 10:51.05 | sweetandy | i'll try glmaze and report back |
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| 10:51.11 | sweetandy | although I don't think opengl works on this computer |
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| 10:53.49 | rgr | then I doubt it will work :-; |
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| 10:56.26 | jelly | judd: versions postfix |
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| 10:59.42 | sweetandy | Grr, I can't go fullscreen in anything or X crashes. Stupid powerpc. Stupid stuck at 1280x768. |
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| 10:59.55 | sweetandy | glmaze compiled though, once I installed a whole bunch of -dev packages. |
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| 11:02.02 | amarito | hello, i need a feature (uverified_recipient_reject_reason) of postfix 2.6 in debian lenny . Is there any backport around or can I use the version from unstable ? |
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| 11:03.22 | citrix | Is there a way to compress file system like when you compress ntfs in windows |
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| 11:03.54 | jelly | amarito: do not use a package from unstable on a lower release. Instead, make a backport yourself. |
| 11:04.00 | jelly | !+tell amarito -about ssb |
| 11:04.00 | dpkg | told amarito about ssb. |
| 11:04.02 | remote | citrix: what's that compressing a file system? |
| 11:04.38 | citrix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS |
| 11:05.11 | citrix | to compress file system is like compressing folder with ability to work with it |
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| 11:06.14 | jelly | citrix: I've seen kludgy FUSE-based implementations, but nothing production-worthwhile |
| 11:06.43 | remote | citrix: http://code.google.com/p/fuse-zip/ |
| 11:06.48 | jelly | judd: info fusecompress |
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| 11:07.28 | jelly | judd: versions fusecompress |
| 11:07.29 | judd | jelly: fusecompress -- sid: 2.6-1 squeeze: 2.6-1 |
| 11:07.41 | jelly | judd: info fusecompress --release sid |
| 11:07.42 | judd | jelly: fusecompress (utils): is optional; Version: 2.6-1; Size: 254.2k; Installed: 800k -- transparent filesystem compression using FUSE |
| 11:08.34 | citrix | thanks |
| 11:08.36 | remote | also i'm reading that ZFS has support for compression: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/misc/zfs/zfs_compression.swf |
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| 11:14.07 | Himari | hello can anyone help me about installing Debian for HP servers? |
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| 11:21.19 | Himari | hello? |
| 11:21.19 | jelly | Himari: uh, ask the real question... where does your installation hang? |
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| 11:21.19 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:21.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:21.20 | cantido | Whats the debian way(tm) of installing an ia32 lib that isn't in the libs package? |
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| 11:21.20 | Himari | jelly, I didn't said anything about hang :) |
| 11:21.20 | Himari | I'm installing Debian on HP servers for my customer |
| 11:21.20 | Himari | the point is the server doesn't have Internet access nor DVD drive |
| 11:21.20 | Himari | only CD drive |
| 11:21.32 | Himari | thus netinst or DVD image don't work |
| 11:21.49 | Himari | so I need to know how many CDs you need in order to install a Debian system for server |
| 11:22.02 | Imran-UK | answering my own question, i had an exit in the sub that was being called gfrom the test script |
| 11:22.05 | jelly | Himari: netinst or any first cd or dvd image are enoghu to install a base debian system |
| 11:22.20 | cantido | Himari: first cd is fine |
| 11:22.29 | Imran-UK | that was meant for #perl, please ignore |
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| 11:24.22 | Himari | jelly, cantido : does the first CD (which provides the base system) have gcc, g++, ssh, if it doesn't then which CD should I download too? |
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| 11:25.54 | cantido | Himari: I'm 99.9999% certain that the first cd has build-essentail... which will have everything you need to build stuff |
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| 11:27.08 | Himari | cantido: thank you |
| 11:27.12 | Himari | jelly : thank you too |
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| 11:32.27 | remote | i'm a bit puzzled by a package suggestion (ion3-scripts) which is suggested to me by apt-get when installing ion3 but it's unavailable in 5.0 ! |
| 11:32.55 | remote | why is it suggesting a package that's not available? |
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| 11:34.13 | nkuttler | remote: submit a bug report |
| 11:35.01 | flokuehn | hi. does anybody know which driver i have to choose from debian installer menu for eee pc 1005ma for Attansic Technology L1 Gigabit network card? |
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| 11:35.38 | remote | nkuttler: is the standard way of reporting bugs `reportbug' ? |
| 11:35.45 | nkuttler | remote: yes |
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| 11:37.50 | flokuehn | ok. it seems to load the correct driver. think something wih my installer is wrong |
| 11:37.54 | remote | i don't have an mta that will relay mail nor have i access to an smtp server |
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| 11:44.28 | zxd | etch -> lenny upgrade |
| 11:44.38 | tuxcrafter | hi all i got a debian server with mulitple network interfaces with different gateways subnets and so on. and i want to use dhcp3-server on two of the interfaces with different settings |
| 11:44.43 | tuxcrafter | how can i do this |
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| 11:45.01 | tuxcrafter | i know how to setup dhcp3-server for a single intererface |
| 11:45.51 | remote | it must support interfaces |
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| 11:47.03 | remote | hah |
| 11:47.08 | remote | apparently it don't |
| 11:47.12 | remote | tuxcrafter: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch08_:_Configuring_the_DHCP_Server#DHCP_Servers_with_Multiple_NICs |
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| 11:48.52 | Stereo | you can even configure a dhcpd for multiple subnets with one single card, using dhcp relays |
| 11:49.03 | rvsjoen | tuxcrafter: if the interfaces are on different networks, just set up multiple subnet declarations in dhcpd.conf |
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| 11:49.52 | Slydder | hey all. I friend of mine has a browser window setup as his desktop background in KDE. is there a way to do this in gnome? |
| 11:50.34 | tuxcrafter | rvsjoen: rvsjoen thanks |
| 11:51.52 | tuxcrafter | i got an other question how can i get lspci to output the pci id and the mac address of the network cards |
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| 11:51.57 | tuxcrafter | my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is a mess |
| 11:52.09 | tuxcrafter | got 6 identical cards |
| 11:52.20 | tuxcrafter | and i dont know which interface is were |
| 11:52.29 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.35 | rvsjoen | lspci does not have a clue about the mac address |
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| 11:53.26 | Lycurgus | anybody know of a good source of info for getting mic input working on lenny? |
| 11:53.57 | tuxcrafter | rvsjoen: lspci seems to be the only tool that is listing the device in a way with the pci ids that i can relate to in the real world |
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| 11:55.35 | rvsjoen | tuxcrafter: if you have the pciid you can get the mac address through sysfs |
| 11:58.58 | tuxcrafter | rvsjoen: thanks for the hint!!1 |
| 11:59.07 | tuxcrafter | find /sys/ -iname "eth*" |
| 11:59.29 | tuxcrafter | it creates an usable list |
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| 12:00.47 | rvsjoen | a good start is in /sys/class/net , it will list the interfaces, the links will tell you the pci bus id and if you follow the link and check out 'address' you will get the mac address |
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| 12:02.44 | dodobas | rvsjoen: i also have this http://pastebin.org/62090 |
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| 12:03.04 | dodobas | ssh packet gets in...and server sends something out... |
| 12:03.42 | rvsjoen | ok, I dont know what the question is :P |
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| 12:05.19 | dodobas | question is...how can i find out what is wrong :) |
| 12:05.23 | dodobas | and fix it :) |
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| 12:08.26 | rvsjoen | wrong with what |
| 12:08.26 | rvsjoen | what's not working |
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| 12:08.27 | rvsjoen | I have a feeling I missed something |
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| 12:09.56 | albech | i just got atftpd and it installs a file in /etc/default will that beloaded when the daemon is started or do i have to copy it to /etc? |
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| 12:11.35 | d3x | albech, debian policy is to load /etc/default/* files when init.d script is invoked |
| 12:11.47 | d3x | so - no need to copy to /etc |
| 12:11.52 | albech | d3x, thank you, i wasn |
| 12:14.45 | albech | wasn't sure about that |
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| 12:18.31 | albech | d3x, sorry lost your last message due to massive disconnect/reconnect spam |
| 12:18.32 | d3x | albech, 13:11 < d3x> so - no need to copy to /etc |
| 12:18.32 | d3x | this one was my last :) |
| 12:18.34 | albech | d3x, ok.. thanks.. got that one |
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| 12:26.21 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm in the middle of an etch -> lenny upgrade, and i got to upgrading aptitude (http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#aptupgrade1st) and everything is now segfaulting |
| 12:26.36 | blahdeblah | Statically linked binaries like busybox work |
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| 12:26.45 | blahdeblah | What can i do to get my upgrade back on target? |
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| 12:26.56 | nkuttler | blahdeblah: hm, did you somehow interrupt the upgrade? |
| 12:27.03 | blahdeblah | nkuttler: Nope |
| 12:27.09 | blahdeblah | Just following the upgrade documentation |
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| 12:27.20 | blahdeblah | Everything seemed smooth until here |
| 12:27.38 | nkuttler | blahdeblah: which command did you issue before the problem started? |
| 12:27.46 | blahdeblah | The one linked above |
| 12:27.50 | blahdeblah | aptitude upgrade aptitude |
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| 12:28.10 | themill | "aptitude install aptitude" I presume |
| 12:28.15 | blahdeblah | sorry |
| 12:28.16 | blahdeblah | yes |
| 12:28.23 | blahdeblah | themill is right |
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| 12:29.02 | blahdeblah | I've had this happen before in a sarge->etch upgrade, and it turned out to be something with /lib/tls, but that's gone now, so i'm out of ideas |
| 12:29.50 | nkuttler | and the segfaults started during or after the upgrade? libc6 etc were updated? |
| 12:29.56 | nkuttler | services restarted? |
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| 12:30.13 | blahdeblah | after the first couple of service restarts after libc6 went in |
| 12:30.19 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 12:30.27 | blahdeblah | Everything is affected - even 'dir' and 'less' and stuff like that |
| 12:30.35 | nkuttler | your disk isn't full, is it? |
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| 12:30.43 | blahdeblah | not even close |
| 12:31.10 | blahdeblah | just looking at /lib/libc.* - looks like it somehow failed in the middle |
| 12:31.19 | blahdeblah | I might adjust the links to look like a working lenny system |
| 12:31.38 | nkuttler | blahdeblah: well, or boot a rescue cd and insert the package manually |
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| 12:32.02 | blahdeblah | It's a Xen VM - bit hard to do that |
| 12:33.29 | blahdeblah | yay! 'mv libc.so.6 libc.so.6~~; ln -s libc-2.7.so libc.so.6' worked |
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| 12:33.39 | themill | Be happy that mv and ln worked :) |
| 12:33.39 | blahdeblah | I'm in busybox |
| 12:33.39 | blahdeblah | It gets installed on EVERY system i run |
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| 12:38.00 | blahdeblah | Anyone know whether libc6-i686 is recommended for 32-bit Xen VMs? |
| 12:38.44 | themill | judd versions libc6-xen |
| 12:38.47 | judd | themill: libc6-xen -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.10.2-2 squeeze: 2.10.2-2 |
| 12:39.35 | blahdeblah | hmm |
| 12:39.47 | jelly | blahdeblah: that's a good question, I vaguely remember at least in some cases you'd be better without it |
| 12:39.48 | blahdeblah | that's installed in some of my VMs, but not in others - weird |
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| 12:39.59 | blahdeblah | (libc6-xen, that is) |
| 12:40.12 | blahdeblah | jelly: it certainly is making this particular VM unhappy |
| 12:40.28 | jelly | well, rehappy it then :-| |
| 12:40.45 | blahdeblah | I'm only guessing, though |
| 12:41.06 | jelly | nothing bad should happen if you remove it |
| 12:42.01 | blahdeblah | What's going on here? |
| 12:42.15 | blahdeblah | Check this out... |
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| 12:43.01 | blahdeblah | http://pastebin.com/m1e9bbb71 |
| 12:44.30 | jelly | blahdeblah: those unicode thingies are making me dizzy |
| 12:44.37 | blahdeblah | me too |
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| 12:45.13 | jelly | does /usr/bin/perl or any other dynamically linked binary work at present time? |
| 12:45.19 | blahdeblah | yeah |
| 12:45.38 | jelly | what does the output of "locale" look? |
| 12:46.04 | jelly | can you unset every locale var or force LC_ALL=C ? |
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| 12:46.08 | blahdeblah | but i can't get past those few packages that are erroring |
| 12:46.08 | hoo-hah | guys, I'm still getting a problem with offlineimap called by cron. I'm guessing it's env related, but how would I address that? |
| 12:46.11 | blahdeblah | http://pastebin.com/m42b658cf |
| 12:46.30 | hoo-hah | either $HOME, $PATH or python $path |
| 12:46.44 | jelly | blahdeblah: ok, so it's clean |
| 12:46.56 | blahdeblah | jelly: i guess |
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| 12:48.12 | ootput | hoo-hah: check the mailing list |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | blahdeblah: dpkg -l libc6\* ? |
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| 12:48.37 | blahdeblah | just trying that |
| 12:48.43 | ootput | reportedly stable versions have cropped up in bug reports |
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| 12:49.21 | hoo-hah | ootput: which mailing list |
| 12:49.42 | ootput | offlineimap.general |
| 12:50.00 | ootput | hoo-hah: I'm struggling with the same problem |
| 12:50.07 | ootput | w/ sane env and all |
| 12:50.51 | brutus | Hi, my update manager says I need 690M of free space to download updates, and need to make some space....but baobab shows that I have 2GB available. Is this a bug? |
| 12:51.44 | blahdeblah | I manually removed libc6-i686 and successfully configured locales, and now i get this: http://pastebin.com/m746a2198 |
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| 12:52.41 | hoo-hah | what's the state of libc6 in squeeze, anyway? |
| 12:52.53 | hoo-hah | I often here it mentioned in this chan |
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| 12:52.56 | hoo-hah | *hear |
| 12:53.19 | jelly | blahdeblah: take a look at the file... find the empty line not followed by ^Package: |
| 12:53.39 | blahdeblah | what tools can do multiline regexps? |
| 12:53.45 | jelly | perl? :-) |
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| 12:54.10 | jelly | dunno... my editor of choice can (joe, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone) |
| 12:54.23 | blahdeblah | not installed anyway |
| 12:54.37 | ootput | blahdeblah: there's always emacs.. |
| 12:54.48 | blahdeblah | not installed either |
| 12:55.27 | mercutio22 | every time my session is started, the audio is muted. I don't see anything weird on .xsession-errors. Should I be looking somewhere else? I am using pulseaudio as soundserver. |
| 12:56.09 | blahdeblah | hah! victory: awk '/^$/ {getline; print}' /var/lib/dpkg/status|less |
| 12:56.56 | blahdeblah | Except that there's nothing except the last blank line |
| 12:57.11 | blahdeblah | I assume there's supposed to be none at the beginning and one at the end |
| 12:58.01 | blahdeblah | Ah no - found one |
| 12:58.23 | jelly | and it took me quite a longer line: awk '/^$/ {empty=NR} !/^Package/ && NR==empty+1 {print "Line: " NR ": " $0}' < /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:58.57 | blahdeblah | but you didn't have to visually inspect the output |
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| 12:59.21 | jelly | yeah, but less has /! |
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| 13:00.18 | blahdeblah | :-) |
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| 13:03.00 | blahdeblah | remind me to take a VM snapshot before i do this next time |
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| 13:08.48 | x_q | hello everyone |
| 13:10.18 | x_q | i find it a big problem when i try to install debian from dvd iso in the hard disk |
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| 13:11.02 | hoo-hah | can someone please confirm successful use of scp in squeeze? |
| 13:11.43 | x_q | the system can't mount ext3 or other partitions that support files bigger than 4G... |
| 13:11.43 | hoo-hah | not sure what happened since a reboot a few hours ago (besides package updates) but I'm unable to execute an scp command that had worked pre-boot |
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| 13:13.17 | x_q | any suggestions on that problem ? |
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| 13:13.32 | d3x | hoo-hah, always worked fine. i'm on squeeze/sid now |
| 13:14.06 | mfph | Greets everybody- who's got time for an audio question? ;D |
| 13:14.31 | hoo-hah | d3x: have you performed any upgrades in the last few hours? |
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| 13:18.09 | d3x | hoo-hah, the last update of openssh-client i had was on 30.10.2009 |
| 13:18.38 | d3x | 1:5.1p1-8 <- this one sits both in sid and squeeze |
| 13:19.00 | hoo-hah | yeah, that's what I have installed |
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| 13:21.41 | albech | here is a screen shot from the client.. easier to show what the problem is with pxelinux.0 rather than explain it.. The output keep cycling on just that one line in the buttom.... http://imagebin.ca/view/k1lz9RNI.html |
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| 13:26.24 | blahdeblah | OK - so this upgrade is still spinning me out: http://pastebin.com/m49ffa12c |
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| 13:27.04 | blahdeblah | More craziness: http://pastebin.com/m617ad6a3 |
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| 13:27.46 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:28.20 | blahdeblah | Nothing unusual in there |
| 13:28.37 | blahdeblah | I forgot to disable backports, though - i might have a go at that |
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| 13:29.54 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, it looks like you have mixed releases of debian |
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| 13:30.54 | blahdeblah | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/m55ffa35f |
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| 13:31.45 | Titan8990 | thanks, i needed a 5-10 line file to be parsed by grep |
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| 13:31.58 | blahdeblah | Just getting rid of the comments |
| 13:32.05 | blahdeblah | There are a lot more than 5-10 |
| 13:32.14 | Titan8990 | you don't have any deb-src entires? |
| 13:32.18 | blahdeblah | nope |
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| 13:32.52 | GuiLux | hello |
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| 13:33.43 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, is this an upgrade from etch? |
| 13:33.46 | blahdeblah | yep |
| 13:34.08 | blahdeblah | debconf seems to be the big issue: http://pastebin.com/m3f9a14eb |
| 13:34.17 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, it doesn't look like you have finished upgrading, what happens with `aptitude full-upgrade`? |
| 13:34.39 | blahdeblah | same debconf configure error |
| 13:35.37 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, what version of perl is currently installed? |
| 13:36.36 | blahdeblah | Titan8990: 5.10, but note the errors: http://pastebin.com/m6d7f4816 |
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| 13:37.07 | jelly | Titan8990 will probably be interested in perl-base and perl-modules and in fact dpkg -l perl\* |
| 13:37.22 | blahdeblah | 1 step ahead, jelly |
| 13:37.28 | jelly | right :-) |
| 13:38.03 | blahdeblah | what's the F in the 2nd column? |
| 13:38.14 | blahdeblah | Other than "Freaking messed up" |
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| 13:39.04 | jelly | Status=.../Failed-cfg |
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| 13:41.00 | blahdeblah | more fun: http://pastebin.com/m13590a75 |
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| 13:42.14 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, aptitude reinstall perl |
| 13:42.43 | blahdeblah | fails due to debconf and stacks of other core packages |
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| 13:44.11 | blahdeblah | This is just beautiful: http://pastebin.com/m3e52835f |
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| 13:45.17 | Titan8990 | little segfaulting is good for you... |
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| 13:45.25 | blahdeblah | yeah |
| 13:45.36 | blahdeblah | Makes sure you have busybox installed |
| 13:45.50 | Hanumaan | why are they 4 DVD ISO's for debian which one should be downloaded to install ? |
| 13:46.16 | jetscreamer | #1 |
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| 13:46.27 | jetscreamer | there's 4 because it doesn't all fit |
| 13:46.32 | jetscreamer | on one |
| 13:46.39 | rvsjoen | hanumaan: if you have an internet connection when installing just grab the netinst |
| 13:46.41 | Titan8990 | Hanumaan, because that includes ALL the packages in debian. most use the 150mb netinst cd |
| 13:46.42 | jetscreamer | thought there were 5 |
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| 13:47.34 | Hanumaan | rvsjoen, no I don't have internet connection while installation, so what is the alternative and I want as many packages as possible ? |
| 13:48.23 | blahdeblah | Hanumaan: so start with DVD1, and then DVD2, and then... Just download as many as you think you want |
| 13:48.25 | Titan8990 | blahdeblah, did all this occur in trying to upgrade to lenny? |
| 13:48.29 | jetscreamer | then d/l all 5 dvd's.. or 4. but #1 is the one you want most |
| 13:48.29 | blahdeblah | Titan8990: yep |
| 13:48.40 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 13:48.47 | blahdeblah | Titan8990: Started segfaulting on the aptitude install aptitude |
| 13:48.49 | jelly | blahdeblah: dpkg -l debconf apt-utils? |
| 13:49.25 | blahdeblah | Fun for the whole family! http://pastebin.com/m31937c4e |
| 13:49.27 | Hanumaan | blahdeblah, so all 4 DVD 's are different ? if so if I download only DVD1 can I do minimum installation ? |
| 13:49.43 | blahdeblah | Hanumaan: you can do minimal installation on CD1, let alone DVD1 |
| 13:49.59 | Titan8990 | Hanumaan, the preferred method is the 150mb netisnt cd |
| 13:50.00 | blahdeblah | I do it the way rvsjoen suggests, though |
| 13:51.50 | jetscreamer | uh he said no intarweb |
| 13:52.03 | blahdeblah | yeah, i know |
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| 13:53.29 | jetscreamer | there's a list of what is on each dvd |
| 13:53.36 | jetscreamer | i forget where though |
| 13:53.40 | jelly | blahdeblah: nice. dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/debconf_the-one-from-lenny |
| 13:53.57 | blahdeblah | jelly: tried that already |
| 13:54.05 | jelly | blahdeblah: how did it fail? |
| 13:54.12 | blahdeblah | checks |
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| 13:55.12 | blahdeblah | same as all the rest: http://pastebin.com/m7854ca0f |
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| 13:58.09 | jelly | blahdeblah: add a set -x in its /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst, then do env DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer dpkg --configure debconf |
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| 13:59.19 | blahdeblah | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m76724d4c |
| 13:59.39 | sandman | So there's going to be a new Debian release within a month or some such, right? |
| 13:59.56 | blahdeblah | sandman: not last i heard |
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| 14:00.06 | blahdeblah | I thought they were moving to 2 yearly cycles |
| 14:00.09 | Justin | !+siyh |
| 14:00.09 | sandman | I thought Debian assume a regular release schedule |
| 14:00.10 | dpkg | [siyh] Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 14:00.41 | jetscreamer | i thought they released it whenever it wasn't ready nowadays |
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| 14:00.53 | jetscreamer | oh.. they do. |
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| 14:01.54 | sandman | I'm looking for something that does basically exactly what Windows Terminal services does |
| 14:01.56 | sandman | Any ideas? |
| 14:02.03 | blahdeblah | xrdp |
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| 14:02.14 | Justin | sandman: what does windows terminal services do? |
| 14:02.19 | blahdeblah | not quite exact, but close |
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| 14:02.36 | sandman | Allows someone to connect in remotely, it'll prompt them for a login, and then create a desktop for them with which they can access |
| 14:02.38 | sandman | And resume later |
| 14:02.45 | sandman | Leave open indefinately, etc. |
| 14:02.54 | blahdeblah | check out xrdp |
| 14:02.55 | sandman | It's basically like creating a user and running a vncserver for each one |
| 14:03.00 | sandman | Except that it's done upon login |
| 14:03.12 | blahdeblah | sandman: that's exactly what xrdp does |
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| 14:03.33 | sandman | Okay. |
| 14:03.36 | sandman | Then that's all I need. |
| 14:03.37 | sandman | Thanks. |
| 14:04.04 | sandman | I was looking at pricing, and Microsoft wants me to pay $150 per user, per desktop. And that is, I must assign the license to a particular user. |
| 14:04.24 | jelly | blahdeblah: and it's still at 1.5.11etch2 in dpkg -l, right? |
| 14:04.40 | sandman | So let's say I'm at a school district. That's likely about 10,000 RDS CAL's that I must buy. 10,000 * 150 = 1.5 million dollars |
| 14:04.41 | blahdeblah | jelly: no, it's showing installed as the lenny version, but unconfigured |
| 14:04.48 | sandman | In addition to windows licenses |
| 14:05.00 | sandman | Which, once again for user cals, will probably be another million or so. |
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| 14:05.07 | GattoDiSchroding | hi |
| 14:05.15 | sandman | Well, frankly. I'm not going to spend a million dollars of tax payer money on that. I don't care if it's in the budget =) |
| 14:05.27 | blahdeblah | sandman: threaten to switch completely to Linux and they'll reduce the price a whole lot |
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| 14:05.35 | GattoDiSchroding | when i restart kde plasmoids returns to default settings |
| 14:05.39 | sandman | That's just fsckin wrong. I'd much rather hire another 5 members to my tech team or something with that few million dollars in licensing. |
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| 14:05.59 | sandman | blahdeblah: I don't think I've threatened that before. |
| 14:06.05 | sandman | But I'm tired of the m$ bullshit. |
| 14:06.09 | schangmi | Hi, how can I know which options have been used by mkfs.ext3 when creating a file system ? |
| 14:06.12 | jelly | blahdeblah: does the same weird perl error happen if you run "/usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst configure 1.5.11etch2" manually? |
| 14:06.12 | sandman | Get this, you know how I was talking about those 10,000 users? |
| 14:06.26 | sandman | I have to work with microsoft activation to tie each of those RDS CALs to each individual user. |
| 14:06.34 | blahdeblah | jelly: yep |
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| 14:06.40 | sandman | If someone leaves the company, I have to re-assign the license to another person. |
| 14:06.42 | jelly | blahdeblah: nice! |
| 14:06.47 | blahdeblah | jelly: yep! |
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| 14:07.00 | sandman | You realize what that means? Not only do I have to spend millions on the licensing, I _also_ would have to hire someone JUST TO HANDLE THE LICENSE ASSIGNMENTS |
| 14:07.03 | sandman | It's infuriating. |
| 14:07.09 | sandman | Where does Microsoft get off setting it up like this? |
| 14:07.20 | sandman | Are they _trying_ to drive people away? |
| 14:07.21 | blahdeblah | sandman: yep! Welcome to the world of license management. You are surprised how? |
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| 14:07.39 | blahdeblah | lots of companies get away with disrespecting their customers |
| 14:07.48 | jelly | blahdeblah: how handy are you with perl -d :-) |
| 14:07.50 | blahdeblah | Hence why many of us are here... |
| 14:08.00 | d1b | sandman: lol. |
| 14:08.08 | sandman | Well, I think I'm going to have to make the switch. I'm only a consultant, but. This is just something that has to be done. |
| 14:08.13 | blahdeblah | jelly: somewhat - i'm no guru, but i know my way around at a basic level |
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| 14:08.26 | jelly | blahdeblah: as in "perl -d /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst configure 1.5.11etch2", then do a couple nexts, see where it breaks |
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| 14:08.37 | sandman | I'm going to write up some systems analysis and make a proposition to the city government and related officials. |
| 14:08.42 | jelly | the same as here then |
| 14:08.42 | d1b | sandman: seriously, we use debian so we don't care about licening, although some have said they find it better than windows :P |
| 14:08.43 | blahdeblah | jelly: you're gonna love this: perl -d gives the same error |
| 14:08.45 | sandman | Who knows. Maybe I could snag myself a job there. |
| 14:08.59 | d1b | sandman: do it properly if you wish to do so. |
| 14:09.00 | jelly | blahdeblah: so it's the interpreter itself that seems to be borked |
| 14:09.10 | blahdeblah | jelly: looks like it |
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| 14:09.14 | sandman | d1b: Systems Analysis is not my forte, but I can do it. |
| 14:09.22 | bassliner | hm, i've seen that thinkfinger-tools contains a tool called "tf-tool" that i can use to validate my finger. is there anything useful i could do with it too? i mean just an sbin binary that will let me validate fingerprints will not help me much... |
| 14:09.25 | jelly | blahdeblah: are you sure /usr/bin/perl by itself works otherwise? |
| 14:09.52 | jelly | blahdeblah: say, a perl -V |
| 14:10.02 | crazyfrog | I'm just trying to install a guest os,I use xen in Lenny |
| 14:10.44 | blahdeblah | jelly: perl -V works a treat |
| 14:10.47 | crazyfrog | but i get this error:Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working |
| 14:11.09 | d1b | crazyfrog: on /in the dom0 right? |
| 14:11.32 | crazyfrog | it work fine |
| 14:11.35 | jelly | blahdeblah: is debsums available? If it is, can you run debsums perl perl-base perl-modules? |
| 14:11.35 | Justin | blahdeblah: you probably want to use the pam module |
| 14:11.39 | Justin | er |
| 14:11.45 | Justin | bassliner: you probably want to use the pam module |
| 14:12.00 | jelly | judd: versions libpam-thinkfinger |
| 14:12.00 | judd | jelly: libpam-thinkfinger -- |
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| 14:12.09 | jelly | hmph. |
| 14:12.14 | blahdeblah | jelly: same perl error |
| 14:12.16 | crazyfrog | when i cat /var/log/xen/xen-hotplug.log |
| 14:12.23 | blahdeblah | looks like debsums uses perl to check perl's sums |
| 14:12.34 | jelly | haha |
| 14:12.36 | blahdeblah | I've tried multiple times to reinstall perl |
| 14:12.40 | crazyfrog | i got Nothing to flush.can't add vif1.0 to bridge eth0: Operation not supported |
| 14:12.46 | blahdeblah | jelly: not really *that* funny ;-) |
| 14:12.51 | jelly | ok, so let's assume the files are all right |
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| 14:13.03 | blahdeblah | probably are, but no way of knowing |
| 14:13.46 | blahdeblah | sandman: don't forget that you're talking about a layer 9 problem here (i.e. in the 9-layer ISO model) |
| 14:13.49 | Justin | why wouldn't the files be fine? |
| 14:14.22 | jelly | Justin: how much of the context did you get? |
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| 14:14.44 | Justin | shrugs |
| 14:14.51 | blahdeblah | Justin: failed upgrade |
| 14:14.54 | blahdeblah | Majorly borked |
| 14:15.04 | sandman | blahdeblah: That's actually one of the things that's bugging me. |
| 14:15.11 | jelly | blahdeblah: and perl -MDebconf::Db -V fails, right? |
| 14:15.20 | Justin | if you think the files are broke and cant fix them you could just dpkg-deb to extract perl on top of / |
| 14:15.24 | Justin | that should fix em |
| 14:15.38 | sandman | So let's say I get a budget server for a client. Let's say, for a POS system. $1,000 for hardware. Going to use software RAID and all that jazz. |
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| 14:16.01 | blahdeblah | jelly: yep |
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| 14:16.08 | matahari | hi all |
| 14:16.13 | sandman | Long story short, Windows licensing on the thing will likely cost $2000 - $4000 for the functionality they'd be looking for in that scenario. |
| 14:16.16 | bassliner | Justin: thanks! |
| 14:17.00 | blahdeblah | sandman: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/96987427_d3a0582fdc.jpg for the lighter side... |
| 14:17.51 | blahdeblah | Justin: The dpkg-deb man page explicitly warns against doing what you say |
| 14:17.53 | matahari | i have a problem with openldap and samba on debian lenny. Somehow Samba seems to send invalid searches to ldap. In syslog i can find lines like this one: slapd[2305]: conn=24 op=2 do_search: invalid dn (sambaDomainName=WORKGROUP,(null)) does one of you have a hint on where the error might be? Thanks! |
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| 14:18.30 | jelly | blahdeblah: sorry, going AFK now, be back in a couple hours |
| 14:18.46 | blahdeblah | jelly: i'll be long asleep in a couple of hours |
| 14:18.51 | blahdeblah | Thanks for the help anyway, jelly |
| 14:19.07 | jelly | blahdeblah: g'night then ;-) |
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| 14:19.38 | Justin | blahdeblah: no it doesn't |
| 14:19.48 | blahdeblah | it does on my system |
| 14:19.58 | Justin | no, it doesn't on your system either |
| 14:20.06 | blahdeblah | does too |
| 14:20.10 | blahdeblah | :-) |
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| 14:21.03 | blahdeblah | Justin: I'm willing to try it, though |
| 14:21.07 | alnr | anyone familiar with the problem of touch returning 'bad address' when upgrading from lenny to sid and what to do about it? |
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| 14:23.43 | hid3nax | Hello everyone. Could anyone help me please? I can't uninstall 'pimd' package, which I installed by an accident: http://pastebin.com/d7294604c |
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| 14:24.26 | Titan8990 | alnr, something broken? welcome to sid. not supported |
| 14:24.55 | Titan8990 | alnr, I can say that its probably a kernel problem |
| 14:24.57 | Justin | hid3nax: /var/lib/dpkg/info/pimd.prerm |
| 14:25.30 | hid3nax | Justin: thanks!!! |
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| 14:26.50 | orudie_ | how can I archive a directory with all the subdirectories and files ? |
| 14:27.02 | Titan8990 | orudie_, tar? |
| 14:27.39 | Titan8990 | orudie_, tar cvjf foobar.tar.bz2 /path/to/my/dir |
| 14:28.19 | abrotman | eww .. he used v |
| 14:28.42 | orudie_ | i'm always confused wht the options of tar is |
| 14:28.47 | orudie_ | and can't memorize them |
| 14:28.50 | orudie_ | that's why i'm asking |
| 14:29.06 | Titan8990 | orudie_, man tar is always there to help |
| 14:29.08 | Justin | c is for cookie.. er create :-) |
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| 14:29.32 | Titan8990 | abrotman, i verbose everything |
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| 14:30.07 | abrotman | everything? |
| 14:30.42 | Titan8990 | for the most part, yes |
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| 14:33.44 | blahdeblah | jelly: solved! The secret - dpkg -i libc6_2.7*deb |
| 14:34.04 | alnr | Titan8990: actually i misstsated, my dist-upgrade was from stable to to testing |
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| 14:42.23 | microtux | hi |
| 14:42.28 | microtux | anyone knows how to e |
| 14:42.58 | microtux | anyone knows how to set 'option 58' and 'option 58' in the /etc/dhcpd.conf file ? |
| 14:43.39 | microtux | 'option 58' and 'option 59' i mean, sorry !! :p |
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| 14:44.08 | orudie_ | Titan8990, i did tar cvjf foobar.tar.bz2 /path/to/my/dir |
| 14:44.18 | orudie_ | Titan8990, now, how would I uncompress it ? |
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| 14:46.57 | microtux | any help ? |
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| 14:48.30 | rvsjoen | default-lease-time/max-lease-time ? |
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| 14:52.57 | microtux | rvsjoen, no, it's not that, i added these options to the config file, and the capture did not show option 58 and 59 |
| 14:52.58 | microtux | :( |
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| 14:53.32 | dovim | Hello |
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| 14:53.56 | dovim | If I want to install a package with a certain configure option disabled, how do I go about doing that with apt-get? |
| 14:54.13 | dovim | In this case, I want to disable X11 support for conky |
| 14:54.33 | abrotman | dovim: did you try without Recommends ? |
| 14:54.43 | dovim | abrotman: How do I do that? |
| 14:54.45 | dovim | abrotman: I'm new to apt |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | !tell dovim about source |
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| 14:54.51 | abrotman | !tell dovim about debian/rules |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | didn't think conky worked without X at all |
| 14:55.28 | dovim | abrotman: This is all really vague information |
| 14:55.34 | JyZyXEL | i think i needed to roll my own conky to achieve that |
| 14:55.38 | dovim | abrotman: This is almost the first time i've used apt |
| 14:55.39 | dovim | Well |
| 14:55.43 | dovim | I'm trying to get conky-cli |
| 14:55.51 | dovim | So I can pipe its output to dzen2 |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | dovim: which OS is this ? |
| 14:56.12 | dovim | Apparently just using `conky' isn't working, because my dzen2 bar is left blank. |
| 14:56.12 | dovim | abrotman: Debian |
| 14:56.30 | dovim | abrotman: apt-get install conky-cli returns 'no package found' |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | dovim: okay, so you use the source stuff to get the source files, and you read about the other bit to change the compile time options |
| 14:56.36 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 14:56.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 14:56.43 | abrotman | judd: versions conky-cli |
| 14:56.44 | judd | abrotman: conky-cli -- |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | right, no such package .. |
| 14:56.51 | Teaboy`work | !why sausages |
| 14:57.03 | abrotman | even the conky package doens't have a conky-cli |
| 14:57.04 | dovim | It's a package in a bunch of other linux distributions |
| 14:57.12 | dovim | Including arch and ubuntu |
| 14:57.21 | abrotman | which aren't debian ... |
| 14:57.21 | JyZyXEL | damn somebody needs to make a -cli version |
| 14:57.34 | dovim | abrotman: Yeah I'm very aware of the fact it's not a package |
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| 14:57.39 | dovim | You don't need to reiterate |
| 14:57.50 | abrotman | dovim: i'm saying conky-cli isn't even a binary on lenny |
| 14:58.08 | abrotman | (contained within another package) |
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| 14:59.32 | abrotman | dovim: you could file a wishlist bug against the conky package to make the DD/DM aware that there is interest in such a thing |
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| 15:00.09 | hojda | Is this available in debian ? http://www.slax.org/documentation_boot_cheatcodes.php |
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| 15:00.34 | abrotman | hojda: they should be |
| 15:00.43 | doubleclick | is there a way to do ddrescue (gnu ddrescue, not dd_rescue) over network (via netcat or something..) ? |
| 15:01.10 | Justin | doubleclick: nfs? |
| 15:01.29 | hojda | abrotman, it sound dangerous :) |
| 15:01.50 | abrotman | guess he wasn't that interested |
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| 15:02.51 | doubleclick | Justin: so, i must mount the remote drive, because ddrescue needs access to both input and output, right? |
| 15:03.09 | Justin | ddrescue does not output a stream, it seeks back and forth |
| 15:04.13 | jetscreamer | i thought it just didn't waste too much time on the errors and goes back to them later |
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| 15:04.40 | doubleclick | Justin: yeah.. i thought so. i'll do it with nfs, thanks |
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| 15:08.43 | blahdeblah | thanks for all the help guys, especially jelly - good night! |
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| 15:11.22 | pozic | Is there a command line tool which computes the hmac for sha1 given a secret key and a message? |
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| 15:16.03 | et | pozic: php -r 'echo hash_hmac("sha1", "message", "key");' for simple things ;) |
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| 15:17.24 | rgr | can someone dpkg msg me the bot rules/syntax links for here please (tell etc). |
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| 15:17.39 | abrotman | rgr: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 15:17.45 | rgr | tvm |
| 15:18.29 | rgr | but not the right things - or rather not what I meant. Thats a snippet about building a .deb. |
| 15:18.32 | pozic | et: you had a small syntax error, but THANKS. |
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| 15:19.02 | MayaT | hello :) |
| 15:19.34 | abrotman | !tell rgr about source |
| 15:19.36 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 15:19.39 | et | pozic: hmm, works here with copy&paste |
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| 15:20.01 | themill | rgr: I'm not sure what we can tell you that you shouldn't already have picked up from your time here. |
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| 15:20.19 | pozic | et: right, I missed a char when copying. You are right. |
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| 15:21.12 | rgr | themill: me neither which is why I wondered if there was a link explaining the bot stuff. There normally is on other channels. |
| 15:21.30 | hojda | Does this question belongs here ? What linux package system offers the most software available/installable ? |
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| 15:21.38 | themill | rgr: huh? |
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| 15:21.52 | themill | dpkg: tell rgr about dpkgbot |
| 15:22.13 | rgr | thanks. |
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| 15:23.14 | neure | eh |
| 15:23.29 | neure | how do i print my $PATH nicely one entry per line? |
| 15:23.32 | rgr | ok, thats part of it. e.g no mention of tell. |
| 15:23.34 | neure | mine is kind of long and messy |
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| 15:23.53 | magyar_ | hi, how can i configure jre plugin for iceweasel in lenny? I have all jre stuff installed, but no plugin shows up in iceweasel |
| 15:23.58 | rgr | neuere you could probably use sed to change the colons into newlines. |
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| 15:24.21 | themill | rgr: it's not like it's a difficult syntax. And if you can't learn it from others in about 10 minutes here, we probably don't want you using it. |
| 15:24.24 | gniourf_gniourf_ | magyar, printf "${PATH//:/\n}" |
| 15:24.30 | neure | rgr, got that.. now.. guess.. im a bit on the lazy side :) |
| 15:24.41 | gniourf_gniourf_ | ooops |
| 15:24.47 | gniourf_gniourf_ | neure, printf "${PATH//:/\n}" |
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| 15:25.10 | neure | whoaa thanks! |
| 15:25.15 | gniourf_gniourf_ | neure, printf "${PATH//:/\n}\n" |
| 15:25.18 | gniourf_gniourf_ | even better |
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| 15:25.55 | visof | hello |
| 15:26.46 | visof | i installed wine but after installation the exe programs it can be launch any installed programs ? |
| 15:27.12 | visof | i should restart ? |
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| 15:31.10 | hojda | How often is good to let check system for updates ? |
| 15:31.33 | abrotman | depends on the veresion of debian you're running |
| 15:31.56 | EagleRock | hojda: on stable, you can check occasionally, but on testing/unstable, I'd check several times a week, lest you have 542 updates pending |
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| 15:34.06 | jelly | visof: no, just run "wine installer.exe" or whatever in a terminal. Don't expect too much though. |
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| 15:37.31 | SlicerDicer | anybody here use 64bit debian lenny with mdadm for raid5 |
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| 15:38.09 | crazyfrog | in my lenny box,i install xen ,but i can not create any domainU and "brctl show" gets nothing,who can help me? |
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| 15:39.48 | crazyfrog | in my lenny box,i install xen ,but i can not create any domainU and "brctl show" gets nothing,who can help me? |
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| 15:39.54 | hojda | abrotman, Well, it is Debian5 , and I do not remember that I would install something dangerous so it should be stable. The switch is set to daily... I guess it is good to switch other. |
| 15:39.55 | sandman | Is it true that Microsoft has historically hired people out of good open source projects with the intention of destroying the aforementioned project? |
| 15:40.10 | sandman | I just want to know if this is bs or not |
| 15:40.54 | zowtar | guys, my bash is getting weird when I press TAB to complete some file or dir name... (-sh: <( compgen -d -- 'b' ): No such file or directory) |
| 15:41.38 | cahoot | sander: akin to how some soccerteams by players to put on the bench? |
| 15:41.46 | \amethyst | zowtar: you're running bash as sh, but using bash_completion |
| 15:41.48 | cahoot | s/by/buy/ |
| 15:42.09 | sandman | cahoot: Yeah, something like that. |
| 15:42.16 | zowtar | \amethyst yes, I don't know how I changed my config... I want to use bash... |
| 15:42.16 | SlicerDicer | http://pastebin.com/m352dbc4f http://pastebin.com/m1fc99304 <-- I am about to blow a gasket here.. why is this going to take 19 hours?!?!?!?!?! |
| 15:42.30 | SlicerDicer | its going waaaaay to slow |
| 15:42.55 | SlicerDicer | I never seen raid rebuild go this slow? |
| 15:43.07 | \amethyst | zowtar: what does this command print: getent passwd $(id -u) | cut -d: -f7 |
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| 15:43.45 | zowtar | /bin/sh |
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| 15:43.56 | zowtar | \amethyst how can I set it back to bash? |
| 15:43.58 | \amethyst | zowtar: run chsh then, and change it to /bin/bash |
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| 15:44.13 | Justin | SlicerDicer: you added a drive? |
| 15:44.30 | SlicerDicer | Justin: of course I said I was going to yesterday |
| 15:44.32 | \amethyst | and you should only be sourcing bash_completion from .bashrc or .bash_profile, not from .profile |
| 15:44.42 | SlicerDicer | this is why I was mad about the slow speed yesterday and never got resolved |
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| 15:45.09 | Justin | dpkg: (1000*3+1000*4)/50/60 |
| 15:45.10 | dpkg | 2.333333333333 |
| 15:45.22 | Justin | oh.. |
| 15:45.26 | SlicerDicer | Justin: small thing I just rememberd.. previously I ran raid5 on 32bit it was fast now I am on 64bit lenny its slow |
| 15:45.28 | Justin | dpkg: (1000*3+1000*4)/25/60 |
| 15:45.28 | dpkg | 4.666666666667 |
| 15:45.58 | Justin | yeah, should probably take 5 hours or so, not 20 |
| 15:46.11 | zowtar | \amethyst it is working pretty fine now... thanks a lot man... |
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| 15:46.12 | Justin | though I dunno exactly what a reshape does |
| 15:46.32 | SlicerDicer | yep... so something is broken and I have no idea what it is |
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| 15:46.40 | mario_ | Hello! |
| 15:46.47 | mario_ | how can i force debian to rebuild my inird image? |
| 15:46.47 | SlicerDicer | pissing me off though... I cant use my computer for 19!?!?! hours?!?! |
| 15:46.59 | SlicerDicer | bad enough waiting 9 hours yesterday to install my system |
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| 15:47.11 | tiny | Hi! Can an interface have multiple addresses with one being assigned trough dhcp? |
| 15:47.15 | Justin | SlicerDicer: why didn't you just build the array with all the drives in it yesterday? |
| 15:47.27 | SlicerDicer | Justin: umm 1 of them was holding archived data? |
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| 15:48.09 | Justin | that sucks |
| 15:48.14 | Justin | guess you're going to be waiting for a while |
| 15:48.16 | SlicerDicer | ./dev/md0 1.9T 878G 986G 48% |
| 15:48.18 | crazyfrog | in my lenny box,i install xen ,but i can not create any domainU and "brctl show" gets nothing,who can help me? |
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| 15:48.54 | SlicerDicer | Justin: I am wondering if its a bug in 64bit variant honestly as the 32bit lenny was not tetotal shit line this |
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| 15:49.28 | Justin | SlicerDicer: you did a raid 5 reshape on 32bit? |
| 15:49.34 | SlicerDicer | yes |
| 15:49.43 | SlicerDicer | many times |
| 15:49.47 | Justin | on the same machine? |
| 15:49.50 | SlicerDicer | yep |
| 15:49.58 | SlicerDicer | and slower machines |
| 15:50.02 | SlicerDicer | with slower pata drives too |
| 15:50.07 | SlicerDicer | in past |
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| 15:50.13 | danielito | hm |
| 15:50.21 | SlicerDicer | none were that slow at 13000k |
| 15:50.31 | SlicerDicer | thats just garbage |
| 15:50.32 | Justin | sure about that? |
| 15:50.33 | danielito | what if I do changes to the php.ini file that is shown in phpinfo() but the changes take no effect, even after restarting apache? |
| 15:50.40 | Justin | you benchmarked each of your new drives? |
| 15:50.53 | markybob | tiny, ifconfig eth0:1 ip |
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| 15:51.01 | SlicerDicer | Justin: errrm well in 32bit the 2tb array took about 2.5hr to build |
| 15:51.10 | Justin | SlicerDicer: with the same drives? |
| 15:51.14 | SlicerDicer | yes? |
| 15:51.19 | SlicerDicer | maybe slighty more |
| 15:51.21 | Justin | are you asking me or telling me? |
| 15:51.28 | SlicerDicer | I cant remember exactly but it was not very long |
| 15:51.32 | SlicerDicer | telling you |
| 15:51.37 | SlicerDicer | it was not 9 god damn hours |
| 15:51.46 | SlicerDicer | and to add another drive was not 19 hours |
| 15:51.51 | Justin | so what you are saying is you rebuild the array with different drives on a completely different controller and it was faster |
| 15:51.56 | SlicerDicer | I degraded my raid to backup onto one of the disks |
| 15:52.11 | SlicerDicer | no.... |
| 15:52.30 | SlicerDicer | I am saying is SAME HARDWARE! SAME DRIVES!!! moved from 32 bit to 64bit and its slower |
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| 15:52.47 | d1b | SlicerDicer: how much *slower* ? |
| 15:52.58 | Justin | you reshaped the raid5 array on the 32bit system? |
| 15:53.02 | SlicerDicer | d1b: waste my damn raid slower |
| 15:53.11 | SlicerDicer | Justin: did you not ask that just a few mins ago? |
| 15:53.16 | SlicerDicer | scroll up and look at my response it was yes |
| 15:53.28 | Justin | no, before it was "yes?" |
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| 15:53.34 | Justin | and you keep changing your story |
| 15:53.37 | SlicerDicer | what?!?! |
| 15:53.50 | kramed | is there a way to get a listing of installed packages that I can import (via shell script or whatever) on another system to install all those same packages? |
| 15:53.53 | JPT | cooldown... rage won't support anybody |
| 15:54.00 | d1b | JPT: mmm. |
| 15:54.04 | SlicerDicer | I said I have used raid5 across many systems.. many devices and NEVER seen it go this slow |
| 15:54.08 | tiny | markybob: http://pastebin.com/m69e1cd35 <-- this doesn't worl |
| 15:54.11 | tiny | work* |
| 15:54.12 | d1b | SlicerDicer: why are you using raid 5 ? |
| 15:54.13 | SlicerDicer | that does not mean I am changing my god damn story |
| 15:54.33 | d1b | SlicerDicer: you shouldn't really be using raid5 with that much data imho |
| 15:54.33 | SlicerDicer | its just explaining I am not new to this and even pata drives go faster than this in my experience... |
| 15:54.37 | d1b | at least raid 6. |
| 15:54.39 | PinkFreud | kramed: 'dpkg -l' |
| 15:54.59 | Hydroxide | asks everyone to calm down. |
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| 15:55.17 | SlicerDicer | Hydroxide: I dont like being accused of changing a story when I am trying to explain something is seriously wrong/broken |
| 15:55.21 | d1b | SlicerDicer: produce some prety benchmarks with dd, then submit a bug. |
| 15:55.25 | d1b | etc. |
| 15:55.31 | markybob | tiny, try adding auto eth0:1 above the iface eth0:1 line |
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| 15:55.44 | efaistos | any idea why i cant have any sound under iceweasel with movies embedded :( |
| 15:55.50 | OpenTokix | SlicerDicer: I assume you have changed the max-speed for rebuild? - I didnt read the whole backlog. |
| 15:55.51 | Justin | SlicerDicer: you are doing a terrible job of trying to explain what is wrong |
| 15:55.56 | efaistos | it works perfectly with mplayer |
| 15:55.57 | SlicerDicer | yes OpenTokix |
| 15:56.05 | Hydroxide | SlicerDicer: I'm not accusing you of anything or getting involved in the substance. just asking everyone (not only you) to calm down. that's all :) |
| 15:56.16 | d1b | !calm |
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| 15:56.39 | SlicerDicer | Hydroxide: [10:53:31] <Justin> and you keep changing your story |
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| 15:57.05 | Justin | because you are? |
| 15:57.21 | d1b | SlicerDicer: seriously, just make it simple. make some benchmarks. then report a bug. |
| 15:57.28 | tiny | markybob: ty :) |
| 15:57.31 | d1b | no one can help you with "it is significantly slower" |
| 15:57.33 | markybob | tiny, np |
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| 15:57.35 | d1b | just with that info |
| 15:57.37 | SlicerDicer | let me try to explain it then Justin |
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| 15:58.41 | Justin | if you never did a raid reshape before on a 32bit OS with the SAME drives on the SAME interface on the SAME system then the fact that you are having the problem on a 64bit OS is possibly irrelevant |
| 15:58.43 | SlicerDicer | when I built my raid5 with 32bit the initial build time with 3x1tb drives was on the order of 2.5hours, I switch to 64bit (been wanting to do it for a while I have my own reasons) and the build time jumps to 9 hours! for the same disks on the same hardware screw the 4th drive for now |
| 15:59.02 | SlicerDicer | just flat out building the raid initially I did it on both the same way |
| 15:59.19 | SlicerDicer | 1) I did not own the 4th drive when I initially built the raid5 on 32bit |
| 15:59.22 | d1b | SlicerDicer: ok report a bug. *but* im going to warn you *not* to use raid 5 with that much data. |
| 15:59.33 | d1b | per a disk. |
| 15:59.45 | SlicerDicer | d1b: I understand not using it and its only a temp solution |
| 15:59.52 | SlicerDicer | bandaid brand type :) |
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| 15:59.59 | pozic | SlicerDicer: there is no fundamental reason why 64 bits would be faster than 32 bits. |
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| 16:00.14 | d1b | pozic: if the kernel is accessing memory / foo wrong |
| 16:00.17 | d1b | there is |
| 16:00.27 | hojda | Could you help me to make first step of setting the gnome ? http://penguininside.blogspot.com/2009/08/top-10-gnome-performance-tweaks.html |
| 16:00.35 | pozic | d1b: please present proof that it should always be faster. |
| 16:00.43 | d1b | pozic: nooooo |
| 16:00.53 | d1b | pozic: it can go slower.... |
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| 16:01.10 | pozic | d1b: right, so it being slower is no reason to report a bug by itself. |
| 16:01.12 | SlicerDicer | pozic: are you serious? saying that it is normal to be 9 hours on 64bit over 2.5 on 32bit? |
| 16:01.20 | pozic | SlicerDicer: in fact, I am. |
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| 16:01.36 | d1b | pozic: i recommend he files a bug. |
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| 16:02.02 | d1b | SlicerDicer: if you do report a bug, which i suggest you do, do put a copy of dmesg in and as much facts / info as possible. |
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| 16:02.18 | pozic | SlicerDicer: I agree it is slightly odd, but I don't see it as something which is impossible. |
| 16:02.19 | ewet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.20 | SlicerDicer | d1b: I have no idea what all to do to create the bug report otherwise I would :/ |
| 16:02.31 | d1b | SlicerDicer: "reportbug" |
| 16:02.41 | d1b | !reportbug |
| 16:02.41 | dpkg | from memory, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
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| 16:04.07 | d1b | SlicerDicer: be sure to put a copy of dmesg in the report. etc. |
| 16:04.08 | ehnvis | SlicerDicer: did you rebuild 3 drives on 32 bit or 4 drives? right now it sounds that you built the raid 5 with 3 drives and just added a 4th one. doing such thing usually takes longer than the initial build. |
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| 16:05.13 | SlicerDicer | ehnvis: initial build 3devices 32bit =2.5hr/intital build 3devices 64bit = 9 hours |
| 16:05.47 | ehnvis | SlicerDicer: ah got ya sorry for me missunderstanding. |
| 16:06.04 | Justin | SlicerDicer: now you're starting to make sense |
| 16:06.51 | orudie_ | how can I disallow access to all my users to use dftp except for one user ? |
| 16:07.09 | hojda | How do I install something tar.gz ? |
| 16:07.17 | Justin | something? |
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| 16:07.28 | hojda | grub2 and others |
| 16:07.28 | SlicerDicer | ehnvis: basicly extrapolate that and you wind up with the same order of crazy in adding the 4th disk as its doing same 13000K/sec |
| 16:07.31 | JPT | untar, ./configure, make, make install |
| 16:07.44 | d1b | JPT: nooooo |
| 16:07.48 | d1b | !checkinstall |
| 16:07.48 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
| 16:07.49 | SlicerDicer | ehnvis: that is my problem the raid has been building/rebuilding at 13000K/sec |
| 16:07.59 | d1b | JPT: run checkinstall instead. |
| 16:08.00 | JPT | well..it works for wine here :> |
| 16:08.09 | d1b | JPT: "works" ye. |
| 16:08.10 | d1b | yes* |
| 16:08.11 | JPT | ;) |
| 16:08.20 | d1b | see above. |
| 16:08.26 | JPT | i should check that out.. |
| 16:08.30 | JPT | would make updates easier |
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| 16:10.38 | orudie_ | how can I disallow access to all my users to use vsftpd except for one user ? |
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| 16:11.26 | Justin | orudie_: did you check the vsftpd documentation? |
| 16:11.38 | d1b | !vsftpd |
| 16:11.38 | dpkg | from memory, vsftpd is the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . Wiki: http://vsftpd.brainsware.org/ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 16:13.28 | pankaj | hello. is it possible to install debian via live disc? |
| 16:13.38 | d1b | !livecd |
| 16:13.39 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 16:14.05 | d1b | pozic: install from cd ? yes thats in the plain installer btw. |
| 16:14.30 | pankaj | d1b: thanks and sorry. |
| 16:14.31 | pankaj | i am a noob |
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| 16:19.22 | MayaT | ~gtg~ bye.. :) |
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| 16:26.09 | SerajewelKS | is it just me or is kerneloops very broken |
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| 16:26.29 | SerajewelKS | every time i try it, it complains bitterly about a supposed "kernel failure" every time i reboot |
| 16:26.42 | SerajewelKS | on every physical and virtual machine i've ever tried |
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| 16:29.55 | Kobaz | is there a wrapper to add users to groups in /etc/group |
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| 16:31.56 | abrotman | Kobaz: adduser ? |
| 16:32.15 | Kobaz | oh.. it supports groups.. hmm |
| 16:32.23 | pngwn | Kobaz, man adduser ? |
| 16:32.32 | Kobaz | yeah yeah, i'm looking :P |
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| 16:39.53 | hojda | Does debian 5 allow vga boot mode 791 ? |
| 16:40.13 | JPT | mh..looks like yes... but it's the kernel that needs to support it |
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| 16:40.42 | JPT | well... vga=791 works for more than 10months here |
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| 16:41.26 | battro | I have debian installed on a usb drive. I want to boot to it from a laptop which doesn't have a working hard drive and can't boot from usb. Is this possible? The Slax livecd has a way to have a base livecd and then get everything else from a hard drive/usb drive(for situations like mine without usb booting) but I can't find anything for debian |
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| 16:44.36 | hojda | battro, plop boot manager can boot USB even if PC can not |
| 16:45.14 | hojda | battro, PC has to boot FDD OR CD OR HDD |
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| 16:51.42 | peter_12 | in which package does "debuild" live? |
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| 16:52.21 | evilbulgarian | hi, was there an recent upgrade to testing's glibc that would cauze kernel problems of the sort that my megaraid is not yeilding the root filesystem |
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| 16:55.14 | battro | hojda: I tried plop boot manager but it hangs while trying to boot the device |
| 16:56.08 | battro | wow |
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| 16:56.14 | battro | hojda: I tried plop boot manager but it hangs while trying to boot the device. if i use a regular livecd and mount it, everything is fine though |
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| 17:02.40 | Laeborg | I have wrong server time on my Debian Lenny |
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| 17:03.03 | Laeborg | 'Tue Dec 8 11:01:23 CST 2009' - But the time is 18:02 (GMT+1) |
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| 17:03.03 | johnny_ | hi, int he new debian, in which package i can found an bluetooth passkey agent |
| 17:03.03 | Laeborg | I have ntp installed but not sure how to use it |
| 17:03.03 | dserban_ | I have two ide drives hooked up to onboard ide controllers. One is being detected as an HD device, the other SD... Is this a bug in the squeeze installer or is this normal and I should continue making a bootable raid 1? |
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| 17:03.09 | johnny_ | bcos i use xfce 4 so i cant use the bluez.gnome passkey agent |
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| 17:04.34 | dserban_ | Laeborg, if setup correctly (read /etc/default/ntp, /etc/ntp/ntpd.conf) it'll sync with an upstream server and keep your system clock in sync, adding or removing seconds as required. Once setup, you don't do much else with it. |
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| 17:07.12 | ehnvis | Laeborg: sounds like you have choosed the wrong timezone |
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| 17:07.13 | ehnvis | Laeborg: what does cat /etc/timezone give? |
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| 17:08.05 | Laeborg | America/Chicago |
| 17:08.14 | Laeborg | Can I just overwrite this with 'Europe/Copenhagen' ? |
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| 17:08.23 | dserban_ | Laeborg, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 17:08.34 | Laeborg | awesome, thank you! |
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| 17:09.50 | Laeborg | dserban, 'date' give me the correct output now, but my mysql server is stil not synced |
| 17:10.06 | Laeborg | oh yes it is |
| 17:12.02 | dserban_ | Laeborg, yw |
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| 17:12.03 | dserban_ | Laeborg, though ntp is everyone's friend |
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| 17:12.20 | pankaj_ | hello |
| 17:12.52 | ehnvis | dserban_: it sure is but as long as you have the wrong timezone set it still gives the wrong time :D |
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| 17:13.29 | regorianer | hi, is there a possibility to deny all connections to port 21 for the vsftpd without using iptables ? hosts.allow & hosts.deny hasnt worked ! :/ |
| 17:13.44 | pankaj_ | hello. where can i find manual for installing wireless lan? |
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| 17:13.56 | pankaj_ | is there any ebook i could download? |
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| 17:16.03 | cahoot | pankaj: there is a debian wiki AFAIK |
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| 17:16.55 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 17:17.34 | regorianer | hi, is there a possibility to deny all connections to port 21 for the vsftpd without using iptables ? hosts.allow & hosts.deny hasnt worked ! :/ |
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| 17:18.39 | PinkFreud | regorianer: hosts.allow and .deny won't stop a client from connecting - they just control access to the service listening on that port. |
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| 17:19.05 | PinkFreud | regorianer: if you want to stop a client from being able to connect in the first place, you either need to change the interface the service listens on, or you need to use iptables |
| 17:19.09 | regorianer | okay ... but is there any other possibility ? |
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| 17:19.23 | regorianer | hmm |
| 17:19.24 | regorianer | okay |
| 17:19.57 | regorianer | so i have to deny 21 and 20 |
| 17:20.05 | PinkFreud | for instance, changing the interface to lo will cause that service to listen on the local interface only, no external connections allowed. |
| 17:20.11 | PinkFreud | yep |
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| 17:21.18 | Justin | !wayttd regorianer |
| 17:21.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, regorianer? |
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| 17:26.04 | fastputty | hello how can i count the line in text file from all directory including sub-directory etc?? wc -l * works only on current directory |
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| 17:27.16 | themill | !using find |
| 17:27.16 | dpkg | [using find] http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 17:27.35 | PinkFreud | fastputty: try something like: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l |
| 17:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, how did that get in here |
| 17:27.58 | PinkFreud | fastputty: also note the url dpkg gave you :) |
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| 17:28.34 | Justin | if all you want is to include a subdirectory wc -l * */* will work just fine |
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| 17:29.17 | fastputty | PinkFreud: how do i count only php file? |
| 17:29.47 | JPT | ls |
| 17:29.51 | JPT | ls *.php | wc -l |
| 17:29.53 | joltcan | fastputty: add -iname *.php to find |
| 17:29.55 | PinkFreud | JPT: File not found |
| 17:29.58 | PinkFreud | :P |
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| 17:30.06 | JPT | mh |
| 17:30.10 | PinkFreud | fastputty: check the url, or 'man find' |
| 17:30.11 | abrotman | sees catsup |
| 17:30.19 | fastputty | kthanks |
| 17:30.42 | niklaswe_ | what is the name of rxvt unicode packages i cant find it with apt-cache search |
| 17:31.04 | Justin | niklaswe_: what did you run to do the search? |
| 17:32.07 | niklaswe_ | Justin: i using squeeze and i search with apt-cache search rxvt |less |
| 17:32.12 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: then you're blind or something :P |
| 17:32.13 | niklaswe_ | and i cant find the unicode packages there. |
| 17:32.14 | SerajewelKS | chris@ravens:~$ apt-cache search rxvt unicode |
| 17:32.15 | SerajewelKS | rxvt-unicode - RXVT-like terminal emulator with Unicode support |
| 17:32.41 | niklaswe_ | SerajewelKS: what 1 sec i will show you ^^ |
| 17:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he's got an empty sources.list |
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| 17:32.53 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: that was my thought as well |
| 17:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... or one just containing the cdrom |
| 17:33.06 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: did you install from the netinstall cd, or from disc 1? |
| 17:33.20 | niklaswe_ | SerajewelKS: netinstall |
| 17:33.34 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: run "aptitude update" and try again |
| 17:33.42 | SerajewelKS | if it still fails, then pastebin your sources.list |
| 17:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/apt/sources.list to be precise |
| 17:34.20 | niklaswe_ | SerajewelKS: http://niklas.allow.se/rxvt-search.txt |
| 17:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was no need for that - we believed you :) |
| 17:34.44 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: paste your sources.list then |
| 17:35.07 | niklaswe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.25 | SerajewelKS | yeah don't use specific mirrors |
| 17:35.32 | SerajewelKS | you probably are using one that is broken or out of date |
| 17:35.41 | SerajewelKS | use the round-robin server |
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| 17:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) use ftp.se.debian.org |
| 17:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch |
| 17:36.08 | Justin | se.debian.org is fast |
| 17:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then I wonder... that's only testing |
| 17:36.27 | Justin | I think I get ~10MB/s to there |
| 17:36.42 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: i tried to be smart too and i found a mirror on the same token ring network as my university |
| 17:36.46 | SerajewelKS | i got 20+MB/sec downloads, but it was always weeks out of date |
| 17:36.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions rxvt-unicode |
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| 17:36.54 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: rxvt-unicode -- etch: 7.9-2 lenny: 9.05-1+lenny1 sid: 9.06-3 |
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| 17:38.43 | niklaswe_ | CutMeOwnThroat: can you paste your sources.list? |
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| 17:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's not in testing |
| 17:39.11 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: you want at least this: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 17:39.11 | SerajewelKS | oh, interesting |
| 17:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he has testing |
| 17:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | he don't really want to mix with lenny |
| 17:39.31 | SerajewelKS | i missed that. perhaps that's the issue then. |
| 17:39.31 | niklaswe_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i using squeeze |
| 17:39.31 | niklaswe_ | instead of lenny |
| 17:39.31 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe_: so i guess you will either have to pull that one from sid or backport |
| 17:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably the mirror is ok, then |
| 17:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 17:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in sid |
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| 17:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is rxvt-unicode not in testing |
| 17:39.53 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rxvt-unicode |
| 17:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | or wait 2 days for it :) |
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| 17:40.51 | niklaswe_ | CutMeOwnThroat: i can wait 2 days :) |
| 17:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, I'm not sure testing is a complete distribution either... I mean... backports isn't and experimental isn't - but I'm not sure about testing and unstable |
| 17:41.37 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: testing is fairly complete |
| 17:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not the same as complete |
| 17:42.08 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: by your definition of complete then, stable is the only thing that's complete |
| 17:42.18 | jpinx-eeepc | testing is currently b0rked afaik |
| 17:42.19 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: they both should be although testing has been broken by some bugs in the archive management scripts over the last week |
| 17:42.45 | pankaj_ | hey. a quick question. i have a debian live running on my system, is it possible directly install it from the disc? |
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| 17:43.19 | SerajewelKS | pankaj_: you could debootstrap :) |
| 17:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | unstable as well? I thought stuff just moved from unstable to stable... does that mean it also stays in unstable in the same version... always? |
| 17:43.38 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: unstable moves to testing |
| 17:43.39 | jpinx-eeepc | pankaj_: quick answer - not really |
| 17:43.47 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: testing only moves to stable when a release is made |
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| 17:44.21 | pankaj_ | jpinx-eeepc: thanks. i thought so. |
| 17:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, right - I always wonder why people bother to call their question "quick" - normally the question might be, but requires a lengthly answer nontheless |
| 17:44.37 | valdyn | unstable *packages* move to testing, but the *whole* testing becomes stable when a release is made |
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| 17:45.02 | pankaj_ | CutMeOwnThroat: we try to keep it as short as possible |
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| 17:45.55 | jpinx-eeepc | pankaj_: see debian.org for installation methods |
| 17:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, well, but judd//apt-cache madison normally do list things for sid - in a higher or the same version as in testing - what I'm saying is I've seen the same version, so it seems stuff gets more like... copied to testing, not moved |
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| 17:47.09 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: it's normally called "migration" and it actually only consists of copying the index entry across rather than the .debs, but yes "copy" is probably a better way of putting it than "move". |
| 17:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | niklaswe_, of course i can be more than 2 days if a bug prevents it from entering testing... |
| 17:47.34 | themill | file one! quick! |
| 17:47.38 | SlicerDicer | d1b: you still here? |
| 17:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, yes, I've seen that all debs are in one pool |
| 17:47.50 | PinkFreud | bug: package is not broken. Please break it. |
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| 17:48.15 | milco | how do i disable desktop:composition |
| 17:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, priority: serious description: it's not in testing and we don't want it there |
| 17:48.16 | milco | ? |
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| 17:48.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a desktop:composition? |
| 17:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it edible? |
| 17:48.58 | regorianer | port 21 is now not available for the external network and nmap for the lokal network says "21/tcp filtered ftp", but i cant get a ftp connection ? what did i make wrong ? |
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| 17:49.36 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: such bugs have been filed in the past. e.g. #457291 |
| 17:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't even tell us what this is all about, although Justin asked you only... half an hour ago |
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| 17:50.08 | varunprashar | helao ? |
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| 17:50.21 | varunprashar | helo ? |
| 17:50.24 | varunprashar | koi hai ? |
| 17:50.26 | varunprashar | bolo bai |
| 17:50.28 | varunprashar | m waiting |
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| 17:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf? |
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| 17:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, yeah, there were/are similar bugs when the maintainer didn't deem the package ripe for stable |
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| 17:54.04 | regorianer | port 21 is now not available for the external network and nmap for the lokal network says "21/tcp filtered ftp", but i cant get a ftp connection ? what did i make wrong ? |
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| 17:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I read taht |
| 17:54.28 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: something is still blocking port 21 |
| 17:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you still didn't say what you're trying to do |
| 17:54.53 | regorianer | making the ftp server only available in the local network |
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| 17:55.03 | regorianer | without isolate it from the whole internet |
| 17:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | "local network" being what? |
| 17:55.26 | regorianer | like 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 17:55.45 | regorianer | ok thats not really true ;) |
| 17:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a local IP and those are normally behind a NAT anyway |
| 17:56.00 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: ah, then you are blocking ftp locally on the server |
| 17:56.05 | regorianer | yeah i have not a local ip |
| 17:56.07 | regorianer | thats the problem |
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| 17:56.18 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: then you need to either open that port up or set up a VPN server |
| 17:56.26 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: ##networking would probably be a better place to ask about that |
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| 17:56.53 | regorianer | hmm |
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| 17:57.17 | regorianer | can i open a qry to u ? |
| 17:57.21 | ircofunni | I have 2 machines with 3 nw cards each. In which two othem are connected directly using cross over cable |
| 17:57.21 | ircofunni | I am trying to bond the 2 nw cards using linux bonding driver |
| 17:57.21 | ircofunni | that was success and the /proc/net/bonding/bond0 shows the links are up |
| 17:57.21 | ircofunni | but I am getting destination unreachable to about 50% packet loss |
| 17:57.21 | ircofunni | through bond0 interface |
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| 17:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah.... it's not hard to do with iptables, but in ##n are probably better qualified people to answer... |
| 17:57.40 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: no. use the channel. |
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| 17:58.39 | regorianer | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -j REJECT |
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| 17:58.46 | regorianer | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s $ip --dport 21 -j ACCEPT |
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| 17:58.52 | regorianer | thats all i did |
| 17:58.56 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: you have those out of order |
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| 17:59.28 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: REJECT is a terminating target, which means that if you match a REJECT, then you don't check any other rules |
| 17:59.33 | WhiteCrow1 | Hi guy's |
| 17:59.47 | regorianer | so ... DROP ? |
| 17:59.50 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: same with ACCEPT. so you must place your ACCEPT rule before your REJECT rule if you want the ACCEPT rule to take precedence |
| 18:00.00 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: DROP is a terminating target too |
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| 18:00.24 | regorianer | ah so i onlz have to change the statements ? |
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| 18:00.42 | SerajewelKS | the order of them, yes |
| 18:00.50 | regorianer | okay, ill try :) |
| 18:00.51 | SerajewelKS | do a desk check of your rules too |
| 18:01.04 | WhiteCrow1 | i have problem, i have nokia 5800 and i cant mount my phone in debian (in gparted i cant see my phone hard drive ) |
| 18:01.06 | SerajewelKS | read through them. if a packet would match a rule, then usually it will stop checking any other rules |
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| 18:02.45 | regorianer | SerajewelKS: it seems like it works now, THANKS |
| 18:02.49 | SerajewelKS | regorianer: np |
| 18:02.59 | ircofunni | I have 2 machines with 3 nw cards each. In which two othem are connected directly using cross over cable |
| 18:02.59 | ircofunni | I am trying to bond the 2 nw cards using linux bonding driver |
| 18:02.59 | ircofunni | that was success and the /proc/net/bonding/bond0 shows the links are up |
| 18:03.09 | ircofunni | but I am getting destination unreachable to about 50% packet loss |
| 18:03.10 | ircofunni | through bond0 interface |
| 18:03.10 | ircofunni | any idea |
| 18:03.10 | ircofunni | is there any problem without using switch |
| 18:03.10 | ircofunni | in bonding |
| 18:03.10 | ircofunni | ? |
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| 18:03.11 | WhiteCrow1 | guy's plz help me |
| 18:03.11 | Amse | google chrome is out for linux, see http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/w00t.html |
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| 18:04.48 | WhiteCrow1 | :'( |
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| 18:08.17 | WhiteCrow1 | oh tnx for Silence |
| 18:08.22 | WhiteCrow1 | by |
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| 18:08.42 | SerajewelKS | I DEMAND ASSISTANCE |
| 18:08.49 | SerajewelKS | that usually works, ya know... |
| 18:09.16 | freaky[t] | hi all. how do i choose another mirror for sources.list in a good way? |
| 18:09.48 | SerajewelKS | freaky[t]: use ftp.us.debian.org unless you are not in the US |
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| 18:10.11 | freaky[t] | SerajewelKS, im in germany (de) :D |
| 18:10.24 | SerajewelKS | freaky[t]: then there may be an ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 18:11.02 | freaky[t] | SerajewelKS, ok is there any tool which does that for me automatically (console)? |
| 18:11.08 | freaky[t] | because they all have different directories |
| 18:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | freaky[t]: There are scripts that will check a list of mirrors and recommend one. |
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| 18:12.03 | SerajewelKS | freaky[t]: there is also this cool website www.debian.org... it has lots of info on debian stuffs! |
| 18:12.22 | SlicerDicer | I cant remember offhand what package contains iostat plz advise thx |
| 18:12.35 | jhutchins_lt | freaky[t]: Ask dpkg about apt-spy or netselect-apt |
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| 18:12.46 | adb | freaky[t], /msg dpkg mirror |
| 18:12.58 | freaky[t] | thank you all :D |
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| 18:14.37 | Eno | Hello i've a problem |
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| 18:14.46 | Eno | How could I go into a folder called .. ? |
| 18:14.47 | bluevapour | how do i get the output of run level 2 |
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| 18:15.24 | freaky[t] | Eno, cd .. |
| 18:15.25 | freaky[t] | ? |
| 18:15.29 | Eno | no ... |
| 18:15.30 | cahoot | cd \? |
| 18:15.34 | Eno | Teh server was hacked |
| 18:15.38 | Eno | let me show pastebin |
| 18:15.53 | Eno | http://pastebin.com/d398e0fb |
| 18:15.56 | freaky[t] | oh i cant help you there |
| 18:16.34 | unlofl | thats.... a sneaky one |
| 18:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | Eno: Have you tried mc? |
| 18:16.54 | bluevapour | how do i get runlevel2 startup log |
| 18:17.07 | Triath | I can't get sound to work in my new lenny installation. Installed alsa and sound packages but alsamixer gives me "No such file or directory" as do speaker-test. I ran alsaconf and it does find a module when i probe for legacy. Any ideas? |
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| 18:17.30 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 18:17.32 | Eno | I don't know the command mc, it's not in Debian ? |
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| 18:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | Eno: You may need to install it. |
| 18:17.44 | Eno | i've to eat, i'll be back in 35Min =p |
| 18:17.47 | Eno | Ok thanks |
| 18:18.23 | cahoot | Triath: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:18.36 | jhutchins_lt | Eno: mc is a console-based filesystem navagator based on Midnight Commander (in turn based on QDos). |
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| 18:19.07 | bluevapour | stupid |
| 18:19.35 | Triath | cahoot: outputs "file or cataloge doesn't exist" |
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| 18:20.12 | cahoot | Triath: lspci -nn to possibly figure out what kind of soundcard |
| 18:20.36 | cahoot | Triath: ..or do you already know that? |
| 18:20.49 | bluevapour | how do i get run level output |
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| 18:21.18 | Triath | cahoot: well, its a via chipset, i'd figure it to be via82xx |
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| 18:21.43 | cahoot | Triath: what happends if you modprobe snd-via82xx? |
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| 18:22.56 | Arresti_Domicili | ciao a tutti |
| 18:23.01 | Arresti_Domicili | !list |
| 18:23.01 | dpkg | arresti_domicili: VATTENE VIA |
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| 18:23.14 | Triath | cahoot: no change to alsamixer or speaker-test |
| 18:23.20 | cahoot | Triath: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | Triath: Does /dev/dsp exist? Is it writable by the user you're testing as? |
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| 18:24.13 | cahoot | jhutchins_lt: /dev/dsp presumes aithet OSS (obsolete) or a working alsa + oss-emulation |
| 18:24.29 | pom | I'm trying to understand how to make packages for Debian. I'm failing. :) |
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| 18:24.37 | cahoot | meh s/aithet/either/ |
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| 18:24.47 | Triath | cahoot: now it gives me "-- no soundcards --", jhutchins_lt: that doesnt appear to exist |
| 18:25.13 | jetscreamer | goodbye debian |
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| 18:25.46 | LittleJ | hy, i want to compile a driver for stk11xx, and i have a problem: ( error: media/v4l2-ioctl.h: No such file or directory ), shouldnt this suposed to be in kernel-headers? |
| 18:25.46 | cahoot | Triath: you haven't installed any sound 'drivers' beside kernels alsa? |
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| 18:26.10 | Triath | cahoot: no |
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| 18:26.41 | cahoot | Triath: lspci -nn to possibly figure out the pciid of the card |
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| 18:26.53 | dutchfish | LittleJ, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-2-common/include/media/v4l2-ioctl.h |
| 18:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | Triath: Does /dev/dsp exist? Is it writable by the user you're testing as? |
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| 18:27.15 | dutchfish | LittleJ, if you installed the headers that is |
| 18:27.29 | LittleJ | dutchfish, hmm i have 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 18:27.39 | LittleJ | and i instaled linux-headers-2.6.26-2-all |
| 18:27.45 | dutchfish | LittleJ, no idee if that version contains it |
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| 18:28.19 | LittleJ | well wasnt apt-get to update my kernel to latest version or 2.6.30 aint stable yet ? |
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| 18:28.44 | dutchfish | LittleJ, what debian version? |
| 18:28.59 | LittleJ | 5.0.3 |
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| 18:29.45 | dutchfish | !kernel |
| 18:29.46 | LittleJ | it says my system its up to date, no kernel update for me.... |
| 18:29.47 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091208, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32 , stable 2.6: 2.6.32 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.6 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.39 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
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| 18:30.16 | dutchfish | !info kernel |
| 18:30.24 | jhutchins_lt | judd: kernel |
| 18:30.25 | judd | jhutchins_lt: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 18:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | LittleJ: You can get 2.6.30 from bpo. |
| 18:31.00 | LittleJ | hmm let me google it, have no idea how to do that :) |
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| 18:31.14 | dutchfish | !tell LittleJ about bpo |
| 18:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | LittleJ: Ask dpkg about bpo |
| 18:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Thanks, wasn't sure about the format. |
| 18:31.34 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 18:35.46 | LittleJ | i must reboot afther a kernel update or ? |
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| 18:36.24 | PinkFreud | LittleJ: yes |
| 18:36.32 | cahoot | if you want to run the new kernel yes |
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| 18:37.14 | LittleJ | well brb :) hope it boots again :) |
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| 18:42.09 | battro | pankaj: Have you tried ndiswrapper? |
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| 18:42.50 | SlicerDicer | Justin: http://pastebin.com/d35ef1357 its getting slower and slower |
| 18:43.09 | Knight_Lord | Hi. I have just bought a new gatewat fx68 and I'm trying to install using netinst with a usb image but it seems debian can't find an ethernet card. What can I do? |
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| 18:44.26 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 18:45.02 | EvYdance | Hello my ram is full, but my swap stay empty it's normal ? |
| 18:45.35 | Knight_Lord | abrotman: maybe i could try with a sid install image no/ |
| 18:45.52 | greycat | EvYdance: yes. |
| 18:46.00 | greycat | !free ram |
| 18:46.00 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 18:46.54 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 18:47.06 | EvYdance | ok |
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| 18:58.31 | pom | What are minimal requirements to create a deployable .deb? |
| 18:59.02 | greycat | !mg |
| 18:59.02 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 18:59.19 | freaky[t] | how do I install only the dependencies of a package? |
| 18:59.48 | TomyLobo | common sense, apparently: i have a .deb file for debian lenny. i have debian lenny, but the requirements are not met |
| 18:59.52 | TomyLobo | they conflict |
| 19:00.00 | greycat | apt-get install the-package; dpkg --remove the-package |
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| 19:00.00 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to chroot to my debian testing account and i get "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied" from knoppix 6.2 |
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| 19:00.12 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to install this: http://wiki.rabbitvcs.org/wiki/download#Debian |
| 19:00.20 | TomyLobo | says "For Debian Lenny" |
| 19:01.10 | TomyLobo | but i get a conflict with the installed "python-support" package |
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| 19:01.36 | TomyLobo | it wants >= 0.90.0 but i have 0.8.4lenny1 |
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| 19:02.01 | jelly-home | judd: versions python-support |
| 19:02.02 | judd | jelly-home: python-support -- etch: 0.5.6 lenny: 0.8.4 sid: 0.8.7 lenny-backports: 1.0.3~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.0.4 sid: 1.0.6 |
| 19:02.05 | valdyn | TomyLobo: i dont see a lenny package there |
| 19:02.18 | TomyLobo | oh i misread that then |
| 19:02.28 | TomyLobo | i didnt know about sid and squeeze |
| 19:02.41 | greycat | "For Debian Lenny, see our tarball below for older distributions." |
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| 19:02.53 | TomyLobo | i read that as "see tarball for distributions older than lenny" |
| 19:03.27 | TomyLobo | someone should update the topic too |
| 19:03.38 | TomyLobo | it still says "lenny released" |
| 19:03.49 | greycat | And that is the most recent release. |
| 19:04.04 | TomyLobo | i'm confused |
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| 19:04.55 | valdyn | » For Debian Lenny, see our tarball below for older distributions. |
| 19:05.17 | TomyLobo | yeah gonna do that probably |
| 19:05.29 | jelly-home | Tarball for older distributions -- Download this if you are running an older distribution such as CentOS/RHEL 5 or Debian Lenny. |
| 19:05.37 | jelly-home | it's not _that_ confusing |
| 19:05.52 | TomyLobo | i didnt say that the page is confusing |
| 19:06.03 | TomyLobo | except for that one ambiguous line if one does not know about sid and squeeze |
| 19:06.06 | greycat | It's strange that they call lenny an "older distribution", but I guess I already knew how fucking crack-hopped-up those Linux kiddies are. |
| 19:06.20 | greycat | New new new faster faster faster HIGHER NUMBER GO! |
| 19:06.21 | valdyn | i wouldnt use that software |
| 19:06.25 | jelly-home | RHEL5 is a current release as well. |
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| 19:06.28 | valdyn | trying to integrate cvs with nautilus |
| 19:06.30 | valdyn | fucked up |
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| 19:06.50 | TomyLobo | valdyn i dont care as long as it looks like tortoisesvn :) |
| 19:07.11 | Knight_Lord | abrotman: looks like the kmuto kernel doesn't even boot |
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| 19:07.37 | Knight_Lord | abrotman: gets stuck at "setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)" |
| 19:07.40 | Seldaek | heya, if I sudo /home/*/someshit, it doesn't work for all home dirs since the resolving of the wildcards happen in my session I guess, is it possible somehow to make the resolve happen later ? |
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| 19:08.04 | greycat | Knight_Lord: I think I had that issue too. There's probably some boot parameter you have to give it. I don't recall which ones I had to use. |
| 19:08.07 | dondelelcaro | Seldaek: sh is your friend |
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| 19:08.16 | dondelelcaro | Seldaek: alternatively, use find or similar |
| 19:08.26 | greycat | Knight_Lord: look through the various F5, F6, F7, etc. menus and pick a likely-looking one. |
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| 19:08.46 | greycat | Knight_Lord: anything that talks about framebuffer would be a good start. |
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| 19:08.57 | Seldaek | dondelelcaro: care to expand on that idea? :) |
| 19:09.08 | Seldaek | about sh I mean |
| 19:09.24 | Knight_Lord | greycat: i used graphical installer and at least it starts |
| 19:09.32 | greycat | Seldaek: sudo sh -c 'command with wildcards' |
| 19:09.48 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: awesome |
| 19:10.17 | Knight_Lord | abrotman: but it still doesn't find any ethernet cards, even with the 2.30 kernel |
| 19:10.39 | Seldaek | greycat: cheers |
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| 19:10.44 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: give your ethernet card's pci id |
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| 19:12.25 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: how? How will i find it in lspci? |
| 19:12.47 | cads | hey, will debian sid tend to be more stable than ubuntu? |
| 19:12.47 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: lspcpi -nn |
| 19:12.51 | valdyn | cads: no |
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| 19:13.02 | cads | hmm |
| 19:13.08 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: lspci -nn .. what are they ? |
| 19:13.30 | valdyn | cads: btw, we cannot guess what you define and mean with "stable" |
| 19:13.47 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.50 | cads | heh |
| 19:14.12 | cads | I just want to hunt fewer problems down than I have been :P |
| 19:14.19 | valdyn | judd: pci 8086:10f0 |
| 19:14.19 | judd | valdyn: Error: "pci" is not a valid command. |
| 19:14.29 | greycat | well, that's newer than the ethernet PCI ID in my box I had to use kmuto for. |
| 19:14.30 | valdyn | god i keep forgetting that factoid |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | or at least it's a higher number |
| 19:15.46 | valdyn | judd: pciid 8086:10f0 |
| 19:15.48 | judd | valdyn: [8086:10f0] is '82578DC Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10f0 |
| 19:16.09 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: very helpful, thank you |
| 19:16.36 | cads | valdyn, I suppose you wouldn't know exactly what I define when i talk about "ubuntu's bullshit", but I can tell you I'm trying to get away from that, first and foremost :) |
| 19:16.39 | greycat | support added in 2.6.31, apparently.... |
| 19:16.54 | Knight_Lord | so i need to find an installation image with that kernel |
| 19:17.05 | greycat | it would seem so |
| 19:17.41 | valdyn | cads: most of the actual problems im seeing with ubuntu are related to its default config more than packages being worse than debians |
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| 19:19.01 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know a place with installers for sid? |
| 19:19.02 | valdyn | cads: for example pulseaudio, off by default in debian, on in ubuntu, but both be be configured to the other, naturally |
| 19:19.21 | cads | valdyn, yeah, I've been using various debian distributions for about 3 years and I never found a way to "heal" the configurations of a system that seems to have gotten into an inconsistent configuration |
| 19:19.40 | valdyn | cads: maybe you should stick to one and learn it proper first |
| 19:19.52 | valdyn | cads: after that the knowledge is easily transferable |
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| 19:20.06 | cads | indeed |
| 19:20.09 | greycat | Knight_Lord: can you stick an ethernet card in it just for the installation? |
| 19:20.25 | greycat | (or, y'know, permanently would work too) |
| 19:20.48 | valdyn | cads: maybe debian is not such a bad idea then, since defaults are quite barebone and you will have to configure things ;) |
| 19:21.04 | hojda | Would you believe me, that I am unable to find the way how to install grub 2 ? :-D |
| 19:21.16 | valdyn | hojda: why the hell are you messing with your boot manager? |
| 19:21.23 | greycat | hojda: it's called "grub-pc" in squeeze or sid |
| 19:21.26 | Knight_Lord | greycat: i have a wireless usb thingy but i have even less confidence on that one |
| 19:21.48 | valdyn | hojda: boot managers like kernels are best left to experienced debian devs. |
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| 19:22.17 | cads | valdyn, I liked etch, lenny should be nice... yeah, the only reason I moved to ubuntu was because it was easier to get the plush desktop environment by default - there are a lot of extras like automounting archives and such |
| 19:22.33 | valdyn | hojda: oh and switching to a "newer" boot manager is silly *unless* you *need* a new feature |
| 19:22.38 | hojda | valdyn, I want to set vga=791, but I forgot to type vga= I guess. Is this the way to set 791 ? or it is 794 ? |
| 19:22.58 | valdyn | hojda: what the hell do you need grub2 for to change the kernel parameters? |
| 19:23.02 | greycat | hojda: switching boot manager will not help you pass kernel parameters if you don't know how to pass them |
| 19:23.04 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: *buntu has started using grub2, so everybody wants the latest and greatest. It looks like a real nightmare to me (then again, I like lilo). It's not compatible with grub0. |
| 19:23.06 | cads | valdyn, but now, it would seem reasonable to learn how to package my choice of packages and settings into a distribution disk |
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| 19:23.42 | cads | jhutchins_lt, how is it incompatible? |
| 19:23.44 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: grub2 is great, distros switching to grub2 will happen anyway. Im talking about newbies messing with boot managers |
| 19:23.54 | greycat | cads: it uses completely different configuration files |
| 19:24.09 | hojda | valdyn, I think I only need to remember how to set the vga... |
| 19:24.13 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: testing uses grub2 already. What are you talking about? |
| 19:24.14 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Yeah, it's great all right, about as complex as a windows registry. |
| 19:24.18 | cads | greycat, is it unable to chainload original grub? |
| 19:24.25 | valdyn | hojda: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:24.36 | valdyn | hojda: before you do that though *read* the comments in there |
| 19:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | You can not boot grub2 from a grub0 mbr. |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | hojda: in grub (not grub2), edit the menu.lst file and find the line that begins with "# kopt=" and edit that line, but DO NOT remove the # |
| 19:25.00 | hojda | valdyn, I know this file very well. |
| 19:25.05 | cads | thinks the grub0 menu.lst is bullshit, anyways |
| 19:25.30 | valdyn | cads: why? who needs your custom distro? |
| 19:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | lilo ftw! |
| 19:25.58 | cads | valyn, mostly myself |
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| 19:26.48 | valdyn | !preseed |
| 19:26.48 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 19:26.57 | cads | valdyn, have you ever installed an OS, an now thankfully it takes like half an hour instead of more like 3, but then you ha to spend those hours tweaking all the settings an installing extras? |
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| 19:27.45 | valdyn | cads: i just copy config files |
| 19:27.57 | magyar_ | hi, how do i copy a cd to a iso image on a harddrive? |
| 19:27.59 | hojda | greycat, What happend when I set defaults instead I have"setted" now ? |
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| 19:28.20 | valdyn | magyar_: cat /dev/cdrom > file.iso |
| 19:28.23 | greycat | magyar_: cp devicename filename |
| 19:28.36 | valdyn | oh, yea, cp is even neater |
| 19:28.37 | greycat | hojda: I can't understand the question |
| 19:29.16 | hark | magyar_: cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso |
| 19:29.21 | mercutio22 | really, I thought it was harder than that to produce an iso image of a cd.. cool. |
| 19:29.24 | hojda | greycat, What this means ? ( with "# kopt=" and edit that line, but) |
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| 19:29.30 | magyar_ | valdyn, greycat thanks, btw would "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso " doit also? |
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| 19:29.40 | valdyn | magyar_: yes |
| 19:29.43 | greycat | hojda: Find the line. Edit the line. Save the file. |
| 19:29.57 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to chroot to my debian testing install and i get "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied" from knoppix 6.2 |
| 19:29.59 | valdyn | magyar_: but thats more to type and easier to get a typo into |
| 19:30.00 | hojda | greycat, Nothing will happen so why ? :) |
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| 19:30.16 | greycat | hojda: if you are not installing a new kernel image immediately afterward, run update-grub |
| 19:31.04 | hojda | greycat, I am trying to find a way how to set vga mode for console boot. |
| 19:31.04 | hojda | greycat, when I turn op PC |
| 19:31.04 | greycat | hojda: Then you've found it, assuming it's a kernel parameter that you want to give. |
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| 19:31.34 | hojda | greycat, Is it 791 or vga=791 |
| 19:31.46 | greycat | how the fuck would I know? |
| 19:31.50 | greycat | it's YOUR leet kernel parameter... |
| 19:31.56 | valdyn | hojda: vga=791 |
| 19:32.10 | hojda | valdyn, thanks v, |
| 19:32.13 | hojda | valdyn, thanks vm |
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| 19:32.32 | valdyn | l33t haX0rs tune their console that they never use |
| 19:32.40 | greycat | no, the l33t ones use it |
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| 19:34.13 | cads | wonders if the new grub can boot from iso images stored on a drive |
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| 19:35.30 | greycat | google points me to http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/grub_intro which says "no" and then says "yes" in two separate comments. |
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| 19:35.36 | valdyn | cads: it can |
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| 19:35.46 | valdyn | cads: loopback.mod seems to suggest that |
| 19:36.25 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd, suddenly konsole is coming up in sh instead of bash. |
| 19:37.11 | greycat | echo $SHELL |
| 19:37.47 | valdyn | cads: problem is that the boot image gets to big at some point |
| 19:38.20 | valdyn | my core.img + loopback.mod = to big |
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| 19:38.53 | cads | I don't understand |
| 19:39.04 | greycat | Me either. I have no clue what either of those files is. |
| 19:39.26 | valdyn | cads: the boot manager has to fit in between the 512th byte and the beginning of the first partition or somesuch |
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| 19:39.47 | greycat | So these are files that are part of GRUB, rather than part of an ISO image? |
| 19:39.50 | valdyn | cads: thats the core.img, that has to be < 32kb |
| 19:39.55 | cads | in the past I've done a hack like this which let me put the contents of a live disk on my harddrive. then I changed the settings in my existing grub installation to be able to boot irectly from the contents of the live disk |
| 19:40.01 | valdyn | greycat: grub2 |
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| 19:41.08 | cads | valdyn, I basically would like to test a live linux iso without having to turn it into a cd or put it on an external drive |
| 19:41.09 | valdyn | greycat: grub2 has like 120 modules, which are pretty much drivers like kernel modules |
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| 19:42.57 | valdyn | cads: i think grub2 has all the drivers you need, but i havent tried this |
| 19:43.39 | cads | valdyn, sounds like a fun reason to mess with it, I was going to stay away from grub2, I swear! |
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| 19:43.54 | cads | but now I have to fux with it :) |
| 19:44.06 | greycat | the google results for my search keep mentioning "grub4dos" so I assume they're out of date answers |
| 19:44.08 | en1gma | hey all: my current setup = win vista on a nvidia nforce raid0 (2 drives) anyhow i want to add debian to an ext usb drive and when it does install from DVD it still wants to put grub on my raid0 I DO NOT WANT THAT......i want to switch boot drive in bios....ex: boot raid 0......or......boot usb drive |
| 19:44.22 | en1gma | how do i do this when i goto install from the debian 5.03 dvd |
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| 19:45.10 | cads | haha, the GRUB research project is called PUPA |
| 19:45.25 | en1gma | yea but how do i fix my problem |
| 19:45.51 | en1gma | disable all the SATA stuff in my bios maybe? |
| 19:46.02 | en1gma | or will it still write grub to my first drive |
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| 19:46.33 | cads | en1gma, you need it to install onto your external drive |
| 19:46.39 | en1gma | yea i know |
| 19:46.42 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: The installer should offer to put grub on the installed partition instead of the mbr as an option. |
| 19:46.54 | en1gma | ive done that but grub still gets installed ALWAYS to the first drive in bios |
| 19:47.06 | en1gma | ohh i always been selecting MBR |
| 19:47.11 | cads | it gets installed to whatever drive you tell it to setup on |
| 19:47.12 | en1gma | so do not do that? |
| 19:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Right. |
| 19:47.24 | en1gma | ok thansk man |
| 19:47.31 | en1gma | going to install now |
| 19:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | en1gma: Default assumption is that there's only one true mbr. |
| 19:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | It's actually surprizingly difficult to setup a multi-boot box with multiple linux installs. The instllers do tend to assume that you will have either only that linux or that linux and windows. |
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| 19:49.29 | cads | I mean... taking what debian autoconfig gives you and consolidating the different menu.lst from the others--- yeah it's a chore |
| 19:49.32 | KiloBravoEight | i've had the opposite problem, installers finding partials or old installs on old drives and including them in the boot |
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| 19:50.48 | cads | jhutchins_I think it's difficult to learn how to do, because grub doesn't have any kind of modern configuration tools that would make doing it easy as point and click |
| 19:50.49 | jhutchins_lt | I do remember an installer that made a best-guess suggestion, then asked if you wanted to add/modify it. |
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| 19:51.37 | jhutchins_lt | wonders how hard it would be to throw a bsd partition in there somewhere. |
| 19:51.54 | cads | jhutchins_, I remember an installer that completely destroyed my bootloader and I had to go in there with puppy linux and reinstall grub from the command like (it was the windows installer :P ) |
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| 19:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | cads: Getting a bootable system from a debootstrap install was interesting, since I was replacing the only bootable install. |
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| 19:53.42 | cads | yeah I done that, but I was following a guide :) |
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| 19:53.59 | jhutchins_lt | There's a guide? Dang! |
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| 19:54.57 | cads | well i suppose someone like you may have written it, but yeah, I think i was following some fellows journey which he put down in a forum |
| 19:55.30 | jhutchins_lt | didn't quite keep good enough notes this time. |
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| 19:56.00 | hojda | Is bastille a good firewall ? |
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| 19:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | hojda: There are a lot of firewall managers/builders. |
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| 20:09.31 | cesurasean | how do I know if i have apachessl, or apache modssl? |
| 20:10.01 | Titan8990 | mod_ssl is an apache module included in the default apache install |
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| 20:12.28 | cesurasean | what is apachessl? |
| 20:12.39 | cesurasean | Titan8990,? |
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| 20:13.00 | greycat | well, if nobody knows what it is, then chances are you don't have it... |
| 20:13.14 | cesurasean | lol |
| 20:13.30 | cesurasean | im pretty sure im using the default mod_ssl |
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| 20:13.31 | joens | What are the differences between "linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64" and "linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64"? |
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| 20:13.43 | evilbulgarian | greycat: what about in here? :) |
| 20:13.59 | greycat | evilbulgarian: what kernel did you boot, and what kind of Debian system did you mount? Is it an amd64 vs i386 issue possibly? |
| 20:14.20 | evilbulgarian | greycat: nope its an i386 debian testing with custom kernel |
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| 20:14.50 | greycat | evilbulgarian: is the Debian system fucked up? Specifically libc6, ld.so, ld-linux*so, ld.so.cache, etc.? |
| 20:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | joens: There is a changelog in /usr/share/doc/linux-image* |
| 20:15.32 | evilbulgarian | greycat: well im just checking the md5sum's of those against another debian system and they check out |
| 20:16.06 | Jippi | Any way to get a list of all packages installed with apt-get ? |
| 20:16.15 | joens | jhutchins_kc: Thanks. Just noticed the difference with apt-cache: "Version: 2.6.30-6~bpo50+1" vs "Version: 2.6.30-8~bpo50+1" |
| 20:16.22 | greycat | evilbulgarian: do you have another shell installed on the Debian system? If so, can you chroot /mnt/debian /the/other/shell ? |
| 20:16.48 | greycat | Jippi: dpkg -l, or dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:16.50 | evilbulgarian | greycat: i think dash is installed by default |
| 20:16.56 | evilbulgarian | greycat: and no same error |
| 20:17.06 | evilbulgarian | greycat: i even tried chroot /mnt/debian /bin/ls |
| 20:17.21 | greycat | evilbulgarian: what kernel is it? |
| 20:17.31 | Jippi | greycat: thanks |
| 20:17.35 | evilbulgarian | greycat: 2.6.31.6 knoppix |
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| 20:18.22 | greycat | Did the chroot ... /bin/ls work? |
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| 20:19.19 | Morpheuss | guys,do anybody have website of australia's GLUG ? |
| 20:19.41 | evilbulgarian | greycat: nope permission denied again |
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| 20:20.13 | evilbulgarian | greycat: i did ldd /mnt/debian/bin/bash and checked the md5sum's of those against an working install and they check out |
| 20:20.31 | greycat | evilbulgarian: then either the Debian system is corrupted in some strange manner, or one of those mount options (relatime,errors=continue,data=writeback) implies noexec and I didn't know about it, or it's a Knoppix issue. |
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| 20:21.39 | evilbulgarian | greycat: etc/ld.so.cache is different tho |
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| 20:22.15 | cdog69 | *sigh... ok what freaking file do I edit, in my home directory if I want to create a new alias? |
| 20:22.22 | evilbulgarian | greycat: what core files can i copy from an working install that could possible help it boot up |
| 20:22.33 | prince_jammys | cdog69: .bashrc |
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| 20:23.18 | cdog69 | ok, so lets say I want to make an alias to update my packages: |
| 20:23.20 | cdog69 | alias update='apt-get update' |
| 20:23.22 | cdog69 | correct? |
| 20:23.30 | prince_jammys | sure |
| 20:23.41 | et | cdog69: update doesn't update packages though |
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| 20:23.55 | evilbulgarian | greycat: ok so /lib/ld.so is missing |
| 20:23.56 | prince_jammys | (you'd have to be root, also) |
| 20:23.57 | cdog69 | when i do apt-get update as root, it updates everything |
| 20:23.57 | nkuttler | cdog69: and it will fail unless you're root |
| 20:24.36 | greycat | evilbulgarian: it's /lib/ld-2.7.so in lenny |
| 20:24.52 | cdog69 | ok, so im the admin of this server, is there any reason whatsoever why i should be any other user than root when doing anything? |
| 20:25.09 | greycat | cdog69: yes. To avoid shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 20:25.39 | greycat | Same reason you engage the safety mechanism on the handgun before you stick it in your pants. |
| 20:25.43 | evilbulgarian | greycat: ohh ok /lib/ld-2.10.2.so is present |
| 20:25.58 | cdog69 | ok, so my user account allows me to do just about nothing, I guess im just too new to understand, but I can't even reload my own bashrc file as myself, I just don't understand |
| 20:26.12 | greycat | cdog69: then you have broken permissions. |
| 20:26.12 | nkuttler | !tell cdog69 about sudo |
| 20:26.26 | greycat | you should own EVERY file in your home directory, and you should be able read them all. |
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| 20:26.34 | nkuttler | cdog69: . ~/.bashrc ? |
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| 20:26.44 | greycat | he probably did shit as root. to his own home directory. |
| 20:27.03 | greycat | nkuttler: ah, or he doesn't even know how to use the . command... yeah... |
| 20:27.36 | greycat | I still think "exec bash" is the easiest way to reload bash configs though. |
| 20:27.48 | cdog69 | nkuttle: bash: /home/cbeyer/.bashrc: Permission Denied |
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| 20:28.02 | nkuttler | hm, hadn't thought of that |
| 20:28.03 | greycat | and you typed what? |
| 20:28.16 | cdog69 | ~/.bashrc |
| 20:28.17 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:28.21 | prince_jammys | cdog69: the command is an actual dot, followed by the filename |
| 20:28.22 | greycat | Did you type ". ./.bashrc" (right) or ". .bashrc" (wrong)? |
| 20:28.48 | greycat | He left out the . entirely? Wow.... |
| 20:29.09 | greycat | cdog69: just stick with "exec bash" from now on. Easier. |
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| 20:29.26 | cdog69 | i just typed . ./.bashrc |
| 20:29.28 | cdog69 | that worked |
| 20:29.29 | cdog69 | why the . ./ ? |
| 20:29.31 | prince_jammys | cdog69: the dot, as a command, sources a file |
| 20:29.39 | greycat | The first . is a command. It can be replaced with the word "source" instead. |
| 20:29.53 | greycat | The second . is the directory. If you don't specify a directory, the . command will search $PATH. |
| 20:29.57 | greycat | The third . is part of the actual filename. |
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| 20:30.05 | prince_jammys | heh |
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| 20:30.26 | mercutio22 | I think I have permissions problem in my external HD. |
| 20:30.37 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, what type of filesystem? |
| 20:31.02 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: I thought it was NTFS. How can I check? |
| 20:31.19 | evilbulgarian | greycat: ok yeah something was messed up |
| 20:31.23 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: gparted? |
| 20:31.29 | evilbulgarian | greycat: i tared up lib bin sbin from an working debian install |
| 20:31.33 | evilbulgarian | and i am now able to ssh |
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| 20:31.52 | evilbulgarian | greycat: any ideas on how i can narrow it down further so i can repair the install? |
| 20:31.58 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: yep, NTFS |
| 20:32.01 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 20:32.01 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 20:33.22 | SerajewelKS | mercutio22: "mount" will show you the filesystem type for mounted filesystems, and 'file -s' will show you what filesystem is contained in an unmounted device |
| 20:33.23 | evilbulgarian | greycat: cool thanks should i do that inside the chroot or try to boot it |
| 20:33.27 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, NTFS has no concept of UNIX permissions, what problems are you having? |
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| 20:34.41 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: its Transmission bittorrent client. It complais of denied permissions. I seem to have found a solution but I am unable to replicate what this guy proposes on the first post: http://forum.transmissionbt.com/viewtopic.php?p=22966&sid=5b20f31adc4d45cecf92bb7f42d2e4eb |
| 20:35.03 | en1gma | http://pastebin.com/m8511296 <<<<debian dvd install related....has to do with grub |
| 20:35.45 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, I don't use NTFS but you will probably want to look into the umask options for mount |
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| 20:36.12 | unlofl | can someone tell me how to disable all logging on my server tty? I'm looking at /etc/rsyslog.conf and I've commented the rules that don't output to a config file |
| 20:36.24 | unlofl | like *.emerg going to *, all logged in users |
| 20:36.27 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, I recommend using something with a unix filesystem |
| 20:36.54 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: I am afraid the drive is automatically mounted though. Would I be able to change automount options? |
| 20:36.57 | unlofl | but my firewall logs still get dumped to the tty, and get in the way of debugging from the console |
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| 20:37.12 | en1gma | can someone help me with that grub problem |
| 20:37.12 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: I have to share this HD with some windows machines. |
| 20:37.19 | nkuttler | mercutio22: /msg dpkg ntfs rw |
| 20:37.21 | Titan8990 | unlofl, /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop; update-rc.d rsyslog remove -f |
| 20:37.22 | en1gma | i cant boot my debian system |
| 20:37.32 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: I would rather use ext3 as well |
| 20:37.58 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, I don't use automount, so I wouldn't know |
| 20:38.20 | mercutio22 | ok, thanks for the tips doods |
| 20:38.29 | Titan8990 | !tell en1gma about fixmbr |
| 20:38.30 | unlofl | titan8990: what would that do? |
| 20:38.48 | Titan8990 | unlofl, completely disable the system logger |
| 20:38.54 | en1gma | Titan8990 i think you misunderstand...my raid0 is ok i can still boot windows |
| 20:38.57 | unlofl | ah, but I want system logging |
| 20:39.05 | unlofl | I just don't want any of it written to my console |
| 20:39.11 | en1gma | its the usb ext drive /dev/sdc1 i told grub to install to |
| 20:39.24 | Titan8990 | unlofl, ah, I have to same issue that I haven't looked in to |
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| 20:39.42 | Titan8990 | unlofl, don't use it for remote system logging enough |
| 20:40.00 | unlofl | some of the actions in my rsyslog config start with -, but the docs don't mention what that does |
| 20:40.42 | Titan8990 | unlofl, none of mien start with that, where did you get the config? |
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| 20:41.04 | unlofl | docs say that "Typically messages are logged to real files. The file has to be specified with full pathname, beginning with a slash ('/').", but many of my log files are prepended with -, something like "-/var/log/kern.log" |
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| 20:41.20 | rgr | en1gma: i feel for you I really do. I had all sorts of issues with grub installing things in seemingly wrong places when I decided to change my hard drives on my server. The old n+1 issues came into to it too as I recall e.g 0 meant 1 or vice versa if you get my drift. The main thing to check is that you didnt inadvertently change anyof the automagic bits in the grub config. |
| 20:41.28 | unlofl | I'm running debian lenny, thats from the repositories |
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| 20:42.11 | Titan8990 | unlofl, sorry, I see it now |
| 20:42.57 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 20:43.24 | Titan8990 | unlofl, I don't know enough about the configuration to really help |
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| 20:43.39 | unlofl | http://pastebin.com/m42554603 is my /etc/rsyslog.conf file, anyone know what the "-" before log files mean or why it still writes messages to my tty? |
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| 20:43.50 | unlofl | titan8990: theres the config if you have a minute to look |
| 20:44.07 | unlofl | its from a clean debian install, with a few extra lines commened out by me |
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| 20:45.04 | Titan8990 | unlofl, I only get that when it is logging remote servers, is that the same behavior your getting? |
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| 20:46.17 | magyar_ | iz xen-ioemu available for lenny? |
| 20:46.19 | unlofl | what do you mean? the messages are flooding the tty on the server, the physically attached terminal. It doesn't show up in ssh remote sessions, but it gets in the way of debugging the system |
| 20:46.37 | unlofl | the system isn't logging to any network server if thats what you mean |
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| 20:48.40 | Titan8990 | unlofl, ah, I mean I only see that output on the TTY if a remote box is logging to the local syslog daemon |
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| 20:50.13 | unlofl | no, I'm seeing all firewall log messages "every broadcast packet on the lan where I'm testing the system" on the tty |
| 20:50.29 | unlofl | it will be a production system, but this makes tuning the firewall on my lan a real pain in the ass |
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| 21:10.18 | Thaxll | Someone know how to produce debug symbol for gdb when we use ./configure make make install ? |
| 21:10.39 | greycat | ./configure CFLAGS="-g" # usually |
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| 21:10.45 | Thaxll | Hmm thanks |
| 21:11.03 | greycat | although typically the default is "-g -O2" |
| 21:14.45 | Thaxll | And avoid -fomit-frame-pointer or -O3 |
| 21:15.12 | Thaxll | it's a quote from someone, so -g without parameter will be fine ? |
| 21:15.31 | greycat | if you're going to debug things, I recommend just "-g" |
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| 21:15.49 | greycat | adding -Owhatever tends to make gdb to non-obvious things when you're stepping through a function |
| 21:16.23 | Thaxll | Ok thanks, It's for reporting a bug, i've to recompile a software with debugging symbols and then use gdb |
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| 21:17.07 | EvilGenius | hello |
| 21:17.08 | djsd | hey is there any programs that convert video files from utube to mp3s? |
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| 21:22.01 | anoob | blackbox has been discontinued? |
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| 21:22.49 | xreal | Sorry for asking here ... Is there a nice way to create transparency for PNGs? Does pngcrush support this? I am new to Linux, sorry. |
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| 21:24.29 | robokop | why does /var/log/mail.log say: sSMTP[16343]: /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf not found while ls -l /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf says -rw-r----- 1 root mail 180 2009-12-08 19:11 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf |
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| 21:24.34 | jay | xreal: this is prolly the wrong channel for that |
| 21:24.54 | xreal | jay: I know ... but where to ask elseß |
| 21:24.58 | xreal | else?* |
| 21:25.10 | Titan8990 | xreal, #gimp probably |
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| 21:28.02 | jay | that's a good one |
| 21:28.02 | jay | i was going to say google |
| 21:28.02 | xreal | Titan8990: There they will tell me to use GIMP ;-) |
| 21:28.02 | xreal | jay: I did ... hundrets of newsgroups about windows tools. |
| 21:28.02 | jay | then add "-windows" |
| 21:28.03 | rgr | xreal: its a piece of cake with gimp. layer, add transparancy then cut out the solids. |
| 21:28.03 | jay | google: png transparency linux -windows |
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| 21:28.03 | xreal | trying to do it in python now. thanks for help |
| 21:28.03 | xreal | jay: okay |
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| 21:28.04 | rgr | xreal: try #linux for more general help. |
| 21:28.04 | xreal | ok |
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| 21:28.05 | jay | be prepared for no answer too |
| 21:28.05 | rgr | but if its for webs dont bother. png sucks in lots of browsers. |
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| 21:30.14 | paradoxmonkey | If I use udev can I still get rid of initrd and build all the hard drive drivers into the kernel? |
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| 21:31.10 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: do you plan on using an encrypted hard drive? raid? lvm? |
| 21:31.10 | djsd | can someone help me to fixed this http://pastebin.ca/1707437 |
| 21:31.44 | paradoxmonkey | do0ob: no, just a plane cf card on an cf-to-ide adapter |
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| 21:32.24 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: if not, then you can get rid of the initrd, initrd is used to get the root partition mounted |
| 21:32.43 | robokop | why does /var/log/mail.log say: sSMTP[16343]: /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf not found while ls -l /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf says -rw-r----- 1 root mail 180 2009-12-08 19:11 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf |
| 21:33.05 | paradoxmonkey | I do need udev if I want to be able to automount usb and esata devices, right? |
| 21:33.15 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: there are quite a few drivers you'll have to build into the kernel |
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| 21:33.26 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: udev is started later |
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| 21:34.30 | EvilGenius | can i get some help with SSH Tunneling VNC ? |
| 21:34.57 | greycat | robokop: perhaps something is chrooted |
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| 21:35.28 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: the debian kernel is small and light, it then loads what it needs as modules, modules are included in the initramfs, if you compile the kernel and build the drivers into it, then you'll be fine |
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| 21:35.47 | paradoxmonkey | do0ob: but using udev isn't the /dev directory populated until after boot? |
| 21:36.51 | paradoxmonkey | do0ob: but maybe the problem arises only if one uses UUID to describe which harddrive to boot from? |
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| 21:37.13 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: the kernel just needs root=/dev/sda1 so that it knows where to start booting from, it doesn't need /dev at the start |
| 21:37.40 | do0ob | i haven't tried using the uuid, i use root= |
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| 21:38.56 | djsd | can someone help me to fixed this http://pastebin.ca/1707437 |
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| 21:40.07 | do0ob | djsd: buggy hal? |
| 21:40.19 | paradoxmonkey | do0ob: I'm building an embedded debian os for my router and figured if I compile the kernel with only what I need it will boot very fast. If I want to use modules then do I still need initrd? |
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| 21:41.02 | do0ob | paradoxmonkey: only the modules needed to boot like the filesystem and hardware drivers like ata are needed, the rest like say the nvidia driver can be loaded later when its needed |
| 21:41.09 | adb | djsd, on sid ... ? |
| 21:41.14 | djsd | adb nope squeezy |
| 21:41.22 | adb | same .. |
| 21:41.41 | djsd | is there any way to fixed this error? |
| 21:41.41 | beardy | nvidia module.. modules at all, on something "embedded"? |
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| 21:41.55 | asdzxc | hi |
| 21:41.59 | do0ob | beardy: just an example of something that gets loaded later |
| 21:42.46 | asdzxc | my system is using swap event where there's enough of free RAM |
| 21:42.46 | asdzxc | *even |
| 21:42.46 | do0ob | asdzxc: how much is used? |
| 21:42.55 | asdzxc | 1 GB of swap is used |
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| 21:42.56 | asdzxc | do0ob: 1 GB is used and there 3-4 gb of free ram |
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| 21:42.56 | asdzxc | 1 gb of swap |
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| 21:43.38 | adb | djsd, try aptitude safe-upgrade first |
| 21:43.38 | milco | currently my system boots into console, (runtime level 2) - no gdm gnome |
| 21:43.52 | milco | i would like to make it boot to the gui automatically, but i dont have gdm in /etc/init.d, what should i do? |
| 21:43.54 | asdzxc | do0ob did you get what i said ? |
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| 21:44.31 | adb | milco, install it |
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| 21:45.20 | paradoxmonkey | Can udev be used to automount usb and esata devices? |
| 21:45.45 | milco | adb: how? |
| 21:45.50 | asdzxc | my system is using swap even when there's enough of free RAM. i have free 3 GB of RAM and 1 GB of swap is used. i'm sure there were 3 GB of ram free all the time |
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| 21:46.14 | greycat | some Linux kernels like to swap aggressively |
| 21:46.25 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.34 | asdzxc | greycat: what can do with it ? |
| 21:46.49 | asdzxc | greycat: it's wasting my CPU time on iowait |
| 21:46.53 | greycat | what's the question, exactly? |
| 21:46.59 | robokop | greycat: sendmail seems to be working, but mutt not |
| 21:47.01 | adb | !tell milco -about install gnome |
| 21:47.18 | asdzxc | greycat: well, how can i prevent kernel from using swap when there's enough of free ram |
| 21:47.21 | asdzxc | ? |
| 21:47.22 | milco | adb: i already got gnome running |
| 21:47.24 | greycat | ask ##linux |
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| 21:47.44 | asdzxc | ok |
| 21:47.49 | milco | but no gdm in init.d, is that normal? |
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| 21:48.25 | adb | milco, install it .. |
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| 21:49.05 | milco | adb: k thnx, brb |
| 21:49.09 | milco | testing |
| 21:49.56 | amgarchIn9 | Hi! I am on debian lenny via nomachine NX graphical login in KDE and find subpixel rendering settings disabled. Is this a problem of my particular setup or is it in general disabled (e.g. for legal reasons) in debian? |
| 21:51.05 | amgarchIn9 | xdpyinfo lists RENDER extension as well |
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| 21:53.36 | djsd | adb, done same error |
| 21:53.54 | adb | grep dm /etc/X11/default-display-manager, says ? |
| 21:54.22 | adb | nah , nvm |
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| 21:55.18 | adb | !tell djsd lenny->testing |
| 21:55.33 | djsd | dpkg is not here |
| 21:55.34 | dpkg | wish i knew, djsd |
| 21:55.37 | djsd | lol |
| 21:55.50 | adb | !tell djsd -about lenny->testing |
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| 21:57.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:57.34 | hark | amgarchIn9: run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and select Always |
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| 21:59.03 | pbn | Hi there, I'm running Debian GNU/Linux testing amd64. Everytime I boot, the system fails to boot and says I need to fsck the root filesystem because its last mount time is 1h in the future. Then I go into single mode and do fsck -y /dev/sda7 && exit and it boots flawlessly. But this is annoying. Note that the mount time is always the current time plus one hour. any idea ? |
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| 21:59.17 | sander | ldconfig: /usr/local/lib/ is not a symbolic link<-- Why does this message comes up all the time when installing programs with apt-get? |
| 21:59.39 | dondelelcaro | pbn: are you dual booting with windows? Do you have the wrong setting in /etc/default/rcS for UTC? |
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| 22:00.45 | pbn | dondelelcaro: I'm not dual booting with windows. For /etc/default/rcS I'm gonna look...UTC=no |
| 22:01.13 | dondelelcaro | pbn: ok, you almost certainly want UTC=yes, then |
| 22:01.32 | pbn | dondelelcaro: I'm dual booting between testing 32 bit and testing 64 bit |
| 22:01.50 | pbn | dondelelcaro: well it's a workstation, I usually set UTC=yes on servers only :) |
| 22:02.08 | robokop | ssmtp works, but when mutt invokes it ssmtp fails with /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf not found |
| 22:02.13 | pbn | because one day I might have to install windows on it, you never know |
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| 22:02.33 | dondelelcaro | pbn: having it set to UTC is the only sane setting |
| 22:02.56 | dondelelcaro | pbn: otherwise you run into issues like you're seeing, where you go through DST, and it switches an hour |
| 22:03.17 | pbn | dondelelcaro: yeah well I guess you're right |
| 22:03.28 | pbn | gonna edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:03.58 | dondelelcaro | then run hwclock --systohc; or similar, and double check what the clock reports |
| 22:04.41 | pbn | ok |
| 22:04.50 | pbn | hwclock --systohc doesn't print anything |
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| 22:08.11 | varadero | i have multiple pppoe connection as client activated , every reboot i can ping only one of the ip addresses from internet like ppp0 ip next time ppp2 ip any ideas ? |
| 22:08.26 | pbn | Hi, I'm running a mix of testing and sid because the nvidia kernel modules are broken in testing. I got nvidia-glx 185.18.36-2 but there is a newer one in sid: 190.42-3 However, aptitude upgrade says nvidia-glx is kept back. How can I install version 190.42-3 of nvidia-glx ? |
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| 22:09.17 | jpinx-eeepc | pbn: I stand to be corrected, but are you mixing your sources? |
| 22:09.56 | pbn | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I am mixing testing and sid, but I specify explicitly what package I need from sid |
| 22:10.23 | pbn | jpinx-eeepc: there is right now no other solution than mixing testing and sid if I want nvidia hardware acceleration... |
| 22:10.30 | jpinx-eeepc | fairysnuff - I am no expert on mix-n-match ;) |
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| 22:12.21 | pbn | jpinx-eeepc: with "APT::Default-Release: testing" it will always install packages from testing unless you explicitly specify you want to install from sid |
| 22:12.29 | robokop | pbn: apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx |
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| 22:13.18 | pbn | robokop: ah ok |
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| 22:13.33 | pbn | robokop: but.... do I have to rebuild the whole kernel ? |
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| 22:14.49 | robokop | pbn: if you run a stock kernel then no, if you have a own baked kernel then you have |
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| 22:15.24 | pbn | because I wrote down in my logbook that to install it I had to do apt-get --no-install-recommends -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 22:16.07 | jpinx-eeepc | pbn: not sure if it's relevant, but aptitude might look after you better than apt-get |
| 22:16.08 | pbn | it's a stock kernel, yes |
| 22:16.20 | robokop | pbn: perhaps you will need to install the sid kernel too |
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| 22:16.35 | pbn | jpinx-eeepc: well I don't wanna troll about aptitude / apt :) but I was told to use apt-get .... |
| 22:16.46 | jpinx-eeepc | pbn: ;) |
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| 22:17.05 | pbn | robokop: ah, how can I see if my binary kernel package is from testing or from sid ? |
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| 22:19.06 | robokop | well, if you do not use something to ignore dependencies it will install a kernel with which it should work |
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| 22:19.32 | pbn | robokop: well it worked well last time :) |
| 22:19.46 | pbn | now that there's a new nvidia-glx I suppose i can just redo the same commands |
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| 22:19.52 | pbn | but well I'm double checking... |
| 22:19.54 | robokop | yes |
| 22:20.01 | robokop | should work |
| 22:21.29 | abrotman | pbn: whomever told you that was wrong |
| 22:21.57 | abrotman | aptitude is the recommended tool for installing/removing packages for people using Debian |
| 22:22.01 | dirkson | Hey all. I'd like to create a backup system for my server where I could roll back any individual file on the hard drive to any states in the last, say, 14 days. Does anyone know of any software that I could use for that? |
| 22:22.40 | robokop | dirkson: rsync |
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| 22:23.09 | abrotman | robokop: rsync keeps versions? |
| 22:23.40 | robokop | you can use rsync with some parameter to hardlink agains a former backup |
| 22:23.44 | abrotman | dirkson: rdiff-backup might be something closer |
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| 22:23.50 | dirkson | robokop: Well, that'll transfer the files, but I wasn't aware it kept versions, at least not in any sane way. (I'm sure I could create 14 exact duplicates of the filesystem, but damn that would be wasteful) |
| 22:24.15 | dirkson | abrotman: That sounds delicious. |
| 22:24.35 | abrotman | dirkson: read the description and the documentation .. i'm not sure it's exactly what you're looking for, but it does sound closer |
| 22:24.49 | dirkson | abrotman: It sounds quite close, at least. |
| 22:25.11 | bear531 | get windows keys for cheap http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | dirkson: FWIW, a lot of people like bacula and dirvish too |
| 22:26.21 | dirkson | abrotman: Thank you ^^ This gives me an excellent place to start my research. |
| 22:26.23 | robokop | rsync --link-dest should be able to help you |
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| 22:26.59 | robokop | it is what i am using to backup quite a lot of stuff |
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| 22:27.14 | dirkson | robokop: Indeed, that /could/ do what I want too. |
| 22:27.37 | abrotman | dirkson: http://rdiff-backup.nongnu.org/features.html .. see the "Keeps increments" bullet |
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| 22:29.07 | dirkson | robokop: That might be best- Then the boss could would be able to grab things in a directory structure I set up. (He knows how to use ssh/ftp, and that's it.) I'd have to do some more work than with other solutions, but the end product should be nicer for him. |
| 22:29.20 | dirkson | I should say scp/ftp. |
| 22:29.34 | robokop | it looks more like a number of backups indeed |
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| 22:30.20 | robokop | and you can also easily delete some backup without f'ing up the system |
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| 22:31.21 | dirkson | Although I'm going to have to learn what exactly a hard link is, it looks like. |
| 22:31.24 | personanything | is there anyway to install kde 4.4 on debian lenny? |
| 22:31.37 | abrotman | personanything: you can compile it |
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| 22:32.00 | personanything | i would like have binary packages |
| 22:32.26 | robokop | dirkson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Link |
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| 22:32.50 | dirkson | robokop: Yeah, I just worked it out. It looks f'in kick-ass. I should have learned of these sooner. |
| 22:32.53 | markybob_ | personanything, that's the end result of compiling |
| 22:33.08 | robokop | and dirkson the solution i gave you is technical a lot like time-machine |
| 22:33.27 | robokop | although you still need to build a fancy interface then |
| 22:33.49 | dirkson | robokop: time-machine? |
| 22:34.11 | dirkson | robokop: I need no fancy interface ^^ I can write shell scripts and shove them in cron. It will be beautiful. |
| 22:34.11 | pbn | MacOSX's backup tool ? |
| 22:34.15 | robokop | yes |
| 22:34.17 | personanything | i don't want to compile anything here.. just install binary packages from any debian repository |
| 22:34.20 | dirkson | Oh. Scary. |
| 22:34.57 | robokop | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_(Apple_software)#How_it_works |
| 22:35.07 | robokop | first alinea already refers to rsync |
| 22:35.30 | dirkson | robokop: Just to ensure I have the concept of a hard link down- I can hardlink file A to file B, which then share the same hard drive space. However, I can then delete either without deleting both. |
| 22:35.40 | markybob_ | personanything, not happenging |
| 22:36.08 | robokop | dirkson: yes |
| 22:36.09 | abrotman | he could ask someone to create the packages for him |
| 22:36.26 | dirkson | robokop: Kickass. These things are great. I really feel stupid for not learning about them earlier. |
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| 22:37.32 | robokop | dirkson: all filenames are just pointers to inodes on the filesystem |
| 22:37.53 | robokop | and every inode has a counter how much files link to it |
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| 22:38.48 | robokop | and when you delete a file you decrease the link-counter of the inode by 1 |
| 22:40.02 | Saar | anyone know how to properly terminate a Match block in sshd_config? In order to prevent things like /etc/ssh/sshd_config line 88: Directive 'UsePAM' is not allowed within a Match block |
| 22:40.19 | Saar | manual doesn't give a conclusive answer |
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| 22:45.55 | enyawix | any was to go from x86 to x64? |
| 22:46.49 | abrotman | reinstall or debootstrap |
| 22:46.51 | enyawix | or do i have to tar.gz and burn /home than format drive |
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| 22:47.16 | robokop | enyawix: debootstrap does work quite nice |
| 22:47.42 | robokop | especially if you have /home on a seperate partition it is quite easy |
| 22:48.33 | enyawix | is the 64 system chroot 32 or 64/32 multi lib |
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| 22:49.57 | valdyn | enyawix: cant parse |
| 22:51.33 | enyawix | downloads google chrome |
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| 22:51.53 | cads | haha, have you guys gotten a load of canabix? debian based with the philosophy that we should be free to be lazy and not have to configure our computers to be able to do things which we want to do |
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| 22:52.20 | cads | I think they're talking about not having to install a bunch of shady stuff in order to be able to play dvds and mp3s and such |
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| 22:52.53 | cads | which always seemed easy enough with special repositories, but did take some time |
| 22:53.20 | cads | lets see if the development is current, or if they're just a bunch of potheads |
| 22:53.49 | sander | Do anyone know any bittorrent clients that support the new way of searching for releases inside the client? distributed hash table.. or something? |
| 22:54.10 | cads | utorrent |
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| 22:55.01 | sander | cads, I cant find that in debian |
| 22:55.07 | cads | though DHT doesn't allow you to find new releases to download, it allows you to find more peers to share with in your current downloads |
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| 22:56.19 | cads | ah shit, utorrent is not for nix |
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| 22:56.31 | cads | use azureus |
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| 22:56.46 | enyawix | cads debian is just a great distro why not base things on it. my distro will be a dibian / gentoo mix |
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| 22:57.19 | todd_dsm_ | hey all, Im down stream a bit with Mint 8, does anyone know of a math program? I'm brushing up on some algebra and discrete math to better understand programming. It would helpful to have a quiz program. |
| 22:57.26 | cads | enyawix, you got me on that one, truth is I am now downloading canabix to install :D |
| 22:57.30 | sander | cads, so your saying that I still need to go to eg. piratebay to download releases? |
| 22:57.36 | enyawix | :) |
| 22:57.40 | enyawix | lol |
| 22:58.00 | cads | sander, linuxtracker.org is pretty good |
| 22:58.28 | robokop | releases of what |
| 22:58.31 | cads | I don't trust open source on the /pirate/ bay |
| 22:58.50 | cads | robokop, I'd hope linux |
| 22:59.15 | cads | haha, if you're talking about software, you need to make a RSS to the pirate bay, asap :) |
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| 22:59.35 | aucabarcas | hi, does anyone know the name of a simple program to take pictures of the desktop? thanks in advance. |
| 22:59.49 | cads | also, yeah, azureus has all sorts of plugins for that kind of thing, it's pretty much the most feature packed bittorrent implementation ever |
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| 23:00.47 | enyawix | aucabarcas gimp |
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| 23:01.28 | robokop | aucabarcas: scrot |
| 23:01.44 | aucabarcas | enyawix, robokop: thanks. |
| 23:02.02 | robokop | enyawix: gimp isn't a simple program |
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| 23:04.06 | cads | hey, anyone know of research papers associated with debian linux? |
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| 23:04.52 | boscaiolo | aucabarcas: there's a simple command-line thing that I use, but I forget its name |
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| 23:05.04 | teratoma | gnome-screenshot ? |
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| 23:05.44 | nielsle | Empirical Tests of Zipf's Law Mechanism in Open Source Linux Distribution :) http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=PRLTAO000101000021218701000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes |
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| 23:06.30 | nielsle | cads: I don't have a proper answer. I just found the link above on scholar.google.com |
| 23:06.58 | robokop | boscaiolo, teratoma: i still think scrot is as simple and lightweight as it gets |
| 23:07.55 | doubleclick | robokop: i agree |
| 23:08.00 | boscaiolo | robokop: oh yes, but that wasn't the one I had in mind. Perhaps part of imagemagick, now I think of it |
| 23:08.25 | cads | nielsle, I guess I should search them up :) |
| 23:08.26 | boscaiolo | oh yes -- import |
| 23:08.30 | enyawix | cads their was a large phd paper about when the main debian guys were cracked |
| 23:09.21 | cads | nice! |
| 23:09.38 | cads | i love hackademic papers :) |
| 23:10.35 | enyawix | had to do with a kernel exploit |
| 23:10.35 | themill | cads: martin krafft is doing his PhD research on the debian project and has published quite a few things about the project. |
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| 23:11.30 | jiajia | hello |
| 23:11.41 | acu | guys, do you know is KDE fixed in Squeeze |
| 23:11.49 | enyawix | yes |
| 23:11.56 | enyawix | running it now love it |
| 23:12.17 | jiajia | i was using graphic interface and i disable the wireless ,now i don't use graphic interface anymore |
| 23:12.26 | jiajia | and how can i enable the wireless thansk |
| 23:12.30 | robokop | acu: KDE can be fixed by abandon the project |
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| 23:12.55 | robokop | jiajia: use iwconfig |
| 23:13.11 | enyawix | robokop kill kde why? |
| 23:13.19 | phogg | or maybe wpa_cli |
| 23:13.25 | cads | there's plenty of research on package systems it seems |
| 23:13.46 | robokop | cads: i like the package system the proposed for NixOs |
| 23:13.50 | cads | well nice, I've wanted to look this up for a long time |
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| 23:14.01 | har | I'm trying to find an official number of packages available in Debian for a speech I'm writing for class, anyone know where I can find this? |
| 23:14.07 | cads | robokop, currently booting nixos up in vm as we type :) |
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| 23:14.28 | themill | !dstats |
| 23:14.34 | teratoma | apt-cache search "" | wc -l |
| 23:14.38 | jiajia | thanks |
| 23:14.38 | acu | har: that;s in first page of debian.org |
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| 23:14.46 | jiajia | robokop thanks |
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| 23:15.00 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 27874 packages, 2090 maintainers, 84001 MB installed size, 31148 MB compressed size. |
| 23:15.03 | themill | har: ^^ |
| 23:16.01 | har | acu, you're right, lol I search all over the site but missed that |
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| 23:17.09 | har | thanks for the help |
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| 23:18.49 | jiajia | robokop: after i go iwconfig and what is the next :) |
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| 23:21.34 | enyawix | please add the chrome.deb to the repository. i like it more than that browser i can no say for copy wright reasons |
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| 23:23.31 | enyawix | later off to play with it |
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| 23:24.59 | ethanol | how could I get aptitude to show me all packages that have a newer version available in backports? |
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| 23:25.38 | robokop | ethanol: i guess you need to at least sacrifice three virgin childs |
| 23:25.57 | themill | wonders if robokop has anything useful to contribute at all |
| 23:26.03 | robokop | ethanol: i never learned how to use aptitude |
| 23:26.06 | ethanol | sounds like a reasonable price to pay |
| 23:26.16 | ethanol | anyone else can do it cheaper? |
| 23:26.39 | themill | ethanol: "aptitude search ~Vbpo" will show you all packages available on bpo. Add a ~i to see ones you have installed already. |
| 23:26.56 | robokop | themill: sorry for being so sarcastic about aptitude, but i still don't find any reasons to use it over apt-get |
| 23:27.22 | themill | robokop: that's nice... so what's your answer to ethanol's question then... |
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| 23:27.58 | ethanol | themill, that only shows ones with updates available I take it then? cause adding -i returns me no packages though I have just installed 2 |
| 23:28.14 | robokop | none, but i'm not using backports tbh |
| 23:28.43 | _SKiTZO | i installed arping utlity with apt-get install arping before realizing that there are TWO such utilities by two different authros. So i decided to try "the other arping". aptitude remove arping && aptitude install iputils-arping |
| 23:28.46 | _SKiTZO | now |
| 23:28.58 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to get libmysqlclient15off which is needed by dspam anyone know how i can acheive this in squeeze? |
| 23:29.10 | _SKiTZO | the interresting thing is that when i try to run arping i get /usr/sbin/arping: No such file or directory |
| 23:29.30 | _SKiTZO | but running which arping returns /usr/sbin/arping |
| 23:29.32 | _SKiTZO | what gives? |
| 23:29.46 | themill | _SKiTZO: "hash -r" |
| 23:29.46 | _SKiTZO | the file is not there |
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| 23:30.06 | ethanol | also, does anyone know what could cause 'man' to display garbled characters (not all text, but here and there.. guessing they're some odd kind of characters) |
| 23:30.19 | _SKiTZO | themill: thanks :) |
| 23:30.25 | robokop | ethanol: what does `locale` say |
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| 23:30.38 | ethanol | uhm, lots |
| 23:30.40 | _SKiTZO | curious, why isnt that run automatically by apt* tools after completing an install? |
| 23:30.46 | ethanol | mostly en_US.utf8 |
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| 23:31.21 | hark | ethanol: which version of debian? |
| 23:31.21 | ethanol | lenny |
| 23:31.26 | ethanol | but viewing through putty, could that be why/. |
| 23:31.36 | themill | _SKiTZO: it tells your current login shell to refresh what it has cached about things that are isntalled -- running it from dpkg wouldn't help. |
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| 23:31.41 | themill | !ssh linedraw |
| 23:31.41 | dpkg | If you've got strange characters from curses based interfaces (like mc, aptitude or debconf), then make sure you have a UTF-8 encoding specified for your locale, and use a unicode font in your terminal that has good support for linedraw characters. Ask me about <locales>. If you're using putty, ask me about <putty linedraw>. |
| 23:31.51 | kishore | hello, i am not able to record my voice using microphone ..what settings do i need to change...in preferences ..i have checked evrything |
| 23:31.53 | kishore | pls help |
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| 23:32.21 | robokop | kishore: what tool do you use to record your voice |
| 23:32.39 | kishore | robokop:sound rekorder |
| 23:33.49 | jiajia | hello everyone how can i get this opera browser |
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| 23:34.17 | robokop | jiajia: opera.com and download the .deb there |
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| 23:34.40 | robokop | kishore: sory don't know that tool, do you know in which package that is? |
| 23:34.48 | jiajia | robokop: can't i download from the atp-get ... |
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| 23:35.43 | robokop | jiajia http://deb.opera.com/ |
| 23:35.48 | kishore | robokop: gnome-sound recorder 2.26.0 |
| 23:35.53 | jiajia | thanks robokop |
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| 23:37.07 | ethanol | hrm, how can I view the section "search patterns" of the man for aptitude? the man from man is kinda vague on this :\ |
| 23:37.58 | robokop | kishore: which release are you running |
| 23:38.16 | kishore | robokop:actually i am on ubutnu jaunty |
| 23:38.33 | robokop | kishore: perhaps #ubuntu might help you |
| 23:38.55 | robokop | i can't fine gnome-sound in squeeze |
| 23:38.57 | kishore | robokop:fine..thanks :)..dint get help there |
| 23:38.58 | themill | dpkg: tell ethanol about aptitude search |
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| 23:41.10 | robokop | kishore: sory i couldn't help you |
| 23:41.23 | kishore | robokop: np |
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| 23:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | judd: gnome-sound |
| 23:51.05 | judd | jhutchins_lt: Error: "gnome-sound" is not a valid command. |
| 23:51.12 | jhutchins_lt | judd: -v gnome-sound |
| 23:51.14 | judd | jhutchins_lt: Error: "-v" is not a valid command. |
| 23:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | ?judd |
| 23:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry. |
| 23:52.15 | themill | jhutchins_lt: it would be "judd versions gnome-sound" but the package doesn't exist anywya |
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| 23:53.41 | Amorphous | hi. when i log in to kde it starts up akonadi, is there a way to disable that? |
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