IRC log for #debian on 20091105

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00:00.48[Jasper]hej guys
00:00.52[Jasper]how can i see cpu clockspeed?
00:01.16kuberdmesg | grep -i bogo
00:01.27kuber;)
00:01.32llimehtcat /proc/cpuinfo
00:01.40kuberbut seriously, ^
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00:02.45alex87llimeht: thanks
00:02.46jpinx-eeepcwhat's the package name that enables flash for iceweasel ?
00:03.01llimehtjpinx-eeepc: /msg dpkg adobe flash
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00:03.25jpinx-eeepcah -  just asked for flash - silly me ;)
00:03.35[Jasper]guys
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00:03.55[Jasper]is xeon supoort enabled in linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem? :P
00:04.02objornisn't there a .deb package for the nvidia .run package?
00:04.06objorni need the nvidia driver
00:04.13llimehtdpkg: tell objorn about nvidia
00:04.20roeI seem to have lost sound: http://www.pastebin.ca/1657631.
00:04.26llimehtjpinx-eeepc: but of course dpkg will have told you that you can then ask about <adobe flash> there too.... :)
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00:04.35roecould be a pulse audio issue?
00:04.56[Jasper]how can I change my cpu type to xeon ?
00:04.59[Jasper]in the kernel?
00:05.16[Jasper]I'm getting completely wrong speeds from my cpu, so I guess it's the wrong architecture
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00:06.03`GMF`what's the cpu on your machine ?
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00:06.54llimeht[Jasper]: "wrong speeds"? as measured how?
00:07.03jpinx-eeepcllimeht: yea - I got bogged down in gnash and swfdec - which don't seem to work:(
00:07.19llimehtjpinx-eeepc: ahh yes... yay
00:07.22[Jasper]llimeht running at 700 mhz instead of 2,4 ghz
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00:07.50sthon[Jasper]: that sucks
00:07.57llimeht[Jasper]: measured how?
00:07.59jpinx-eeepcllimeht: someone would do us all a service to make some reference to that fact in the factoid;)
00:08.10`GMF`[Jason] what about your bios ?
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00:08.36[Jasper]llimeht cat /proc/cpuinfo
00:08.46[Jasper]`GMF` I guess I need older xeon support
00:08.48[Jasper]in the kernel
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00:09.38cyberninjais the latest kernel for debian 2.6.23-2 ?
00:09.54twiggzdepends on which version you are running...
00:10.03[Jasper]how can I recompile my kernel using the 686-bigmem precomipled config?
00:10.13[Jasper]like...ONLY adjust the cpu
00:10.16[Jasper]and then recompile it
00:10.32twiggz[Jasper], the same way you compile any linux kernel, or the "debian way" works ok too.
00:10.39llimehtcyberninja: 2.6.23 is not in any version of debian, so no.
00:10.48babilencyberninja: Which architecture?
00:10.55twiggzAlways goes better for me if I just compile the kernel normally without using the "debian way"
00:10.56cyberninjaamd64
00:11.11babilencyberninja: And which debian release are you running?
00:11.23karme[Jasper]: whats the output of: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_{cur,max}_freq|uniq
00:11.46cyberninjalenny (stable) say if i do apt-get upgrade   my kernel is only 2.6.23-2-amd
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00:12.28babilencyberninja: The newest kernel is 2.6.31 on sid, lenny has 2.6.26+17+lenny1
00:12.30llimehtcyberninja: you should install the "linux-image-amd64" package
00:12.33cyberninjai mena 2.6.26-2-amd    sorry
00:13.34llimehtcyberninja: ahh... there's a bit of a difference there. That is the kernel that's in Debian stable, yes. 2.6.30 is available from backports.org; /msg dpkg bpo
00:13.56babilencyberninja: Do you actually *want* a newer kernel?
00:15.24cyberninjababilen: its just ive been havin some problems with: kdm dimming my laptop bightness and my sierra usb modem driver. so i compiled a kernel from scratch 2.6.31.5 but i dont think debian likes it
00:15.36cyberninjamy bluetooth doesnt work now
00:16.14cyberninjaoh and the new kernel fixed the brightness problem and th sierra usb modem driver problem
00:16.27Kuriouzcyberninja: are you blueman?
00:16.41babilencyberninja: You can try the backported 2.6.30 as llimeht suggested.
00:16.45cyberninja?blueman?
00:17.50Kuriouzcyberninja: aptitude shwo blueman ... good bluetooth manager
00:17.51cyberninjawhats a backport?
00:18.03Kuriouzcyberninja: aptitude show blueman
00:18.11babilen!tell cyberninja -about bpo
00:18.37cyberninjaaptitude show blueman        E: Unable to locate package blueman
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00:19.13sepultseems like lfs svn is not up to date, could it be ?...
00:19.13babilenKuriouz: blueman is not in stable
00:19.30Kuriouzah .. sorry i'm in sid :-)
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00:21.35massmchow do i find out what OS a machine is on in a shell?
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00:22.11BingOi am using lenny.. i want to install "gmake" where can i find it ?
00:22.12jpinx-eeepcmassmc: cat /etc/debian-version
00:22.16babilenmassmc: uname -a might work on *NIX
00:22.36babilenmassmc: Not sure about Windows, solaris, BeOS, ... though
00:22.58jpinx-eeepcBingO: aptitude search gmake
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00:23.57BingOjpinx-eeepc: strange.. nothing happend just came to prompt
00:24.11Kuriouzmassmc: uname -a
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00:24.35llimehtBingO: "gmake" is gnu make -- debian's "make" package is gnu make.
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00:24.48BingOjpinx-eeepc: this Gmake is not include in build-essentials ?
00:25.07BingObut i want to run #gmake command
00:25.09zinxBingO: it's "make"
00:25.25babilenBingO: You might want to install "build-essential"
00:25.33zinxBingO: if you really want to type 'gmake', then alias gmake make
00:25.34BingOi want to compile an application it is requiring gmake not found error
00:25.54BingOzinx: how to make alias ?
00:25.55llimehtBingO: how are you compiling it? what exact command are you running?
00:25.56Kuriouzmassmc: cat /proc/version
00:26.02zinxBingO: many applications are already packaged by Debian, you might consider searching for it
00:26.27BingOok .. time to open my software.. its realy big headache installing from last 2 hours..
00:26.46BingOlibsoundtouch4c
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00:26.53BingOthis package i want to install
00:27.00BingOany kind of repo for it ?
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00:27.39sepultis it called -DGNU_SOURCE or -D_GNU_SOURCE ? in CFLAGS ?
00:27.47BingOhttp://lobstertech.com/
00:27.47llimehtjudd info libsoundtouch1c2
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00:27.48juddllimeht: libsoundtouch1c2 (libs): is optional; Version: 1.3.1-2; Size: 27.1k; Installed: 116k -- sound stretching library
00:28.15BingOjudd: i noticed that debian don't have 4c . .it has 1c
00:28.16juddBingO: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
00:28.37BingOhaha oh judd you r bot :)
00:28.51BingOwell..
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00:29.11BingOi am trying to compile software from thsi website http://lobstertech.com/
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00:29.26babilenBingO: How about pasting the exact commands and output somewhere?
00:29.27BingOactually its requirement for voicechanger tool
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00:29.42deadlyninjahow can i get my console to tell me which package i need to install to get a particular command?
00:29.43BingObabilen: make
00:29.57deadlyninjafor instance, i want the 'file' command, but its impossible to search for that on google
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00:30.12deadlyninjahow can i get my console to say 'install package X to get command: file"
00:30.30babilendeadlyninja: Have a look at "apt-file"
00:30.37deadlyninjabab, thanks
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00:31.33BingOi was trying to install libsoundtouch4c-0.2 old version..
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00:33.27BingOdam Error.. i made trick :).. i edit to file MakeFile and changed MAKE=gmake into MAKE=make
00:33.35BingOit has run but errors .. :(
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00:36.34babilenBingO: The software looks horrible. It has "OMG Install SoundTouch fist U Klown lol!!!!111one" as string in configure ...
00:36.59babilenbabilen: I am not even going to try to compile that. Sorry...
00:38.24babilenBingO: If you want help: Paste your *exact* commands *and* output somewhere. (--> /msg dpkg pastebin)
00:39.29BingObabilen: no its fine.. don't try to install that latest one try to install old one 4c.0-2..
00:39.37BingOit willl not show that error message..
00:40.14BingOyou have to first install soundstrech ..its requirements.
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00:43.46BingOwell leave it.. i know no body can install it on debian lenny.. its impossible..
00:44.08babilen*sigh* ... If you think so.
00:44.38BingObabilen: means
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00:45.09_SKiTZOsomehow while mocking about with my config my eth2 has become eth2_rename
00:45.15_SKiTZOhow can i rename it back to eth2?
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00:48.16Kuriouz_SKiTZO: what did you exactly do?
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00:49.43jpinx-eeepcbackports.org tells me to add a few lines to /etc/apt/preferences to ensure backport4ed pkgs are kept upgraded, but I don't have a /etc/apt/preferences - do I just create it and if so, with what permissions?
00:50.09Kuriouz_SKiTZO: first i would take a look at /etc/network/interfaces
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00:51.15_SKiTZOKuriouz: neither eth1 or eth2 are mentioned there
00:51.48_SKiTZOi found that the wrong mac was set in 70_persisten-net-something in the udef conf
00:51.50_SKiTZOudev
00:52.00_SKiTZOwired :/
00:52.35d1b_SKiTZO: it should gpive an eth for it anyways.
00:52.41Kuriouz_SKiTZO: I've had problems with udev too but usually with my hds
00:52.47_SKiTZOi fixed it. it apeared asw though the mac for eth1 and 2 were swapped in that file
00:53.10_SKiTZOi swapped them back and after a reboot everything was dandy :)
00:53.11d1b_SKiTZO: yeah, should be that easy to fix.
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00:53.25d1b_SKiTZO: you can call eths what ever you like too :)
00:53.30d1b(dmz / lan / foo)
00:53.40_SKiTZOit prolly happened while i was trying out some esoteric ethernet bonding configurations
00:53.44Kuriouz_SKiTZO: that's the good and the bad of udev ... lol
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00:54.02_SKiTZOewll nice to know it was easy to fix
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00:55.28d1b_SKiTZO: if it was hard, would you be on irc :)
00:55.31d1bhehehe.
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00:56.32darkhamhi people, i only want to know if i can tweak nautilus for watch real time refresh of files's dimension when i'm in list view, and i'm creating big files like conversions or copy
00:56.43darkhamno way?
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00:57.14saimazoonhello
00:57.24twiggzthis isnt #gnome
00:57.28saimazoonI've just installed tomcat5.5, but I get the following message when I try to run it
00:57.46saimazoonno JDK found - please set JAVA_HOME failed!
00:57.50_SKiTZOd1b: it apperas my nics have the excact same mac
00:58.04darkhamtwiggz, yes, i know, but debian user have knowledge... and knowledge is power
00:58.06abrotmandarkham: it probably already does with fam
00:58.18abrotmantwiggz: you could just ignore the question
00:58.21twiggzyou should be in a commercial.
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00:58.27BingOHI .. me back
00:58.44BingOi have got some other things.. for installing that thing.. :)
00:59.01BingOhttp://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/soundtouch
00:59.25BingOsoundtouch_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz..
00:59.31BingOhave to simple compile it ?
00:59.33darkhamtwiggz, i'm joking, but the reason is that in ##gnome nobody talks with nobody
00:59.41darkhamit seems a zombie channel
00:59.43d1b_SKiTZO: ...odd
00:59.54darkhamabrotman, with fam?
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01:00.09BingOorig.tar.gz.. whats that orig means ?
01:00.10abrotmandarkham: he meant #gnome on irc.gnome.org
01:00.15d1bBingO: original.
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01:00.26BingOd1b: i was also thinking.. so i compile it
01:00.27darkhamabrotman, oh.... sorry
01:00.29abrotmandarkham: IIRC fam is installed when you request nautilus .. File Alteration Monitor
01:00.39Kuriouz_SKiTZO: software MAC ... you can change that ... but why would you want to?
01:00.44d1bBingO: .... why
01:00.56darkhamabrotman, thanx, i look.
01:00.59d1bif you want the original without *debian* foo sure go for that.
01:01.00BingOcan i install it through apt-get or apitutude
01:01.02BingOhttp://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/soundtouch
01:01.03BingO??
01:01.04zErOaCidhi, how do you set a certain user not to give permission to the compilers ?
01:01.32d1bBingO: why not apt-get install soundtouch ?
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01:03.31BingOerror in compillinig it :(
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01:03.49BingOi am using 64bit amd.. so may be that's why
01:03.49adlay:/topic #debian
01:03.58BingOhttp://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/soundtouch
01:04.05BingOany body will check this package
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01:04.38BingOapt-get install soundtouch
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01:04.47BingOdon't work.. any kind of repos for it ?
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01:05.53babilenBingO: Can you paste the output of the following command somewhere: "aptitude install soundtouch"
01:05.58BingOi jst want to install soundtouch... hope i will get help from here..
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01:07.17egoTripper88Is ext4 ever going to be supported directly in Debian?
01:07.31darksk1ezuses ext4
01:08.07BingObabilen: http://pastebin.com/m4911a5df
01:08.20epsilonegoTripper88: why not?
01:08.32babilenBingO: You can compile that package with "apt-get source -b soundtouch"
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01:09.34babilenBingO: But Why don't you just install libsoundtouch{-dev} ?
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01:10.01BingObabilen: didn't get your last line means ?
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01:10.05abrotmanegoTripper88: it is now .. just not officially in stable
01:10.21abrotmanegoTripper88: erm .. in lenny  (currently) .. if they do a lennynhalf, it may get supported
01:10.48P4C0hello, could somebody tell me if the default ntpd configuration file in debian is ready to use? I just did /etc/init.d/ntp start but my time hasn't changed
01:10.51jpinx-eeepcwhen I follow the instructions to build a backport according to dpkg here, where does the resultant package end up?
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01:11.14babilenBingO: *I* have no idea what you actually want to achieve.
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01:11.43petemcP4C0: you shouldnt even need to start it yourself
01:11.54jpinx-eeepcand - am I safe in building a backport on another faster i686 box for use in my i686 eeepc?
01:12.02petemcyes
01:12.04BingObabilen: your first command source etc.. result : http://pastebin.com/m3724c6db
01:12.05P4C0petemc: it wasn't running :(
01:12.19petemcP4C0: what did you install?
01:12.33BingObabilen: i wasn to just install http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/soundtouch
01:12.36BingOhttp://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/soundtouch
01:12.39BingOsimple..
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01:12.48babilenBingO: Whatfor?
01:12.50abrotmanBingO: aptitude instlal soundtouch .. what's hard about that ?
01:12.54P4C0petemc: nothing... i wasn't the one in charge of the pc
01:12.55abrotmaninstall ...
01:13.13babilenBingO: You need to install cdbs and automake
01:13.16epsilonjpinx-eeepc: did you try ntpdate (<-package and executable)
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01:13.55babilenabrotman: Have a look at "rmadison soundtouch", i assume he wants libsoundtouch{-dev}
01:13.56P4C0petemc: I just noticed that ntp was not running, but it was installed, so i started it, still date/time hasn't changed, how can I check the timezone? (date output seems to be correct EST)
01:14.03_SKiTZOikimass yo
01:14.04BingObabilen: installed these two cdbs.. i think automake was already installed
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01:14.36babilenBingO: Why do you want to install soundtouch? What do you need it for?
01:15.03BingObabilen: http://pastebin.com/m4463f6a7
01:15.13xhairball!why not ntpdate
01:15.13dpkgUse a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of ntpdate to keep your time synched.  Rationale at: http://www.redhat.com/archives/nahant-list/2005-December/msg00009.html
01:15.15BingObabilen: another software depends on it..
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01:15.27petemcP4C0: date should print the timezone
01:15.37babilenBingO: yes?
01:15.54BingObabilen: i think have to put code in repos for instaling this ?
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01:16.30BingObablien: its name is voice change
01:16.36BingObabilen: check this
01:16.36P4C0petemc: yes, it does... and it seems correct... time itself isn't (ntpd has been runing for a while now)
01:16.42BingObebilen: http://lobstertech.com/2009/jun/07/asterisk_voice_changer/
01:16.54babilenBingO: You probably want to install libsoundtouch and/or libsoundtouch-dev. But why? What do you need it for?
01:17.00jpinx-eeepcI have done the whole process for outlined by dpkg for ssb, but when I try to install with dpkg -i it's telling me the package doesn't exist. Where is it?
01:17.08BingObabilen: this is my motive
01:17.09BingOhttp://lobstertech.com/2009/jun/07/asterisk_voice_changer/
01:17.17abrotmanwtf
01:17.34abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: should be in that directory or the parent
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01:18.09shadowphoHello, I am running exp/sid, and for some reason I cant't upgrade my kernel
01:18.13petemcP4C0: it should just work out of the box, i guess you could stop ntpd and try running ntpdate, but you shouldnt have to
01:18.19babilenBingO: Install libsoundtouch-dev and be done with it. And refrain from flooding the channel with links.
01:18.24jpinx-eeepcabrotman: ah - it is - but with a different name :/
01:18.28jpinx-eeepcthanks :)
01:18.33P4C0petemc: ok, thanks
01:18.33abrotmanyeah
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01:19.37jpinx-eeepcabrotman: is it safe to sopy the deb I've created in the i686 desktop to my i686 eeepc?
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01:19.58mrlolplxhow can you see how much ram the different programs use?
01:20.02mrlolplxin commandline
01:20.09abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: copy yes ... install, youll find out
01:20.10BingObabilen:  libsoundtouch-dev is not installing..
01:20.12BingO?
01:20.19jpinx-eeepcabrotman: ;)
01:20.22abrotmanmrlolplx: top
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01:23.22adbBingO,   apt-cache search  soundtouch
01:24.18jpinx-eeepcabrotman: so far so good - the .deb created runs well on the desktop - now to copy.....
01:24.34abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: what did you build?
01:25.38babilenBingO: "aptitude install libsoundtouch1-dev" and/or "aptitude install libsoundtouch1c2"
01:25.50BingOadb: till then check my repos
01:25.51BingOhttp://pastebin.com/m29294826
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01:27.27BingOadb: result of this command
01:27.28BingOhttp://pastebin.com/m51cb3749
01:27.53babilenBingO: Do you even have a running asterisk PBX?
01:28.18jpinx-eeepcabrotman: latest bitlbee - it fixes big problems with yahoo
01:28.35BingObabilen: yes..that affect on this installation ?
01:28.40jpinx-eeepcabrotman: copied over but didn't install:(
01:28.46abrotmanoh
01:28.48jpinx-eeepcdoes it all again.....
01:28.56abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: why didn't you just build it on the eeepc ?
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01:30.01jpinx-eeepcabrotman: I had been warned it might take a long time on the 900 cpu compared to the 3GHz desktop
01:30.21abrotmancan't think it would take that long
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01:30.46BingObtw.. what is diff between apt-get and aptitude ?:)
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01:31.03babilen!tell BingO -about why aptitude
01:31.21jpinx-eeepcabrotman: it was vvery quick - 5 minutes on the desktop - it's only a small application, so I'll try it on the eeepc
01:31.54BingObabilen: thanks.. now what about my issue :) ?
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01:32.36BingOhmm.. i am thinking that soundstrech and soundtouch both are same or some thing ?
01:32.42P4C0petemc: ntpdate[16079]: no server suitable for synchronization found
01:32.46P4C0interesting :)
01:33.15abrotmanP4C0: use ntp, not ntpdate
01:33.31jpinx-eeepcabrotman: I was also worried about space on the sdd, but I hope I will be able to purge stuff afterwards
01:34.05P4C0abrotman: ? ntp doesn't sync, it has been running from quite a lot now... timezone is ok, still date is one hour late
01:34.35P4C0abrotman: so I stoped it and use ntpdate-debian and after a while this is what I got
01:34.38abrotmanyes it does sync
01:34.39BingOwhat is command for installing souce code with dependencies .. with apt-get or aptitude?
01:35.05jpinx-eeepcruns apt-get -b source bitlbee
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01:35.27BingOwhats that bitlbee*
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01:36.14adbBingO,   apt-cache show bitlbee
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01:36.55P4C0abrotman: doesn't work here and I don't know why... callint ntpdate-debian (which seems to use the same servers that ntpd) shows that
01:37.10BingOadb: oh i see. thanks..
01:37.33pipelineSneex: the key word here is "source routing"
01:37.46BingOmy issue :(.. today i came after long time here in debian .. out of 852 brains didn't get any sol:)
01:37.58abrotmanP4C0: you probably didn't read the documentation
01:38.27Sneexpipeline: thanks, every little bit help,  more to research
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01:38.49BingOsoundtouch_1.3.deb package ?
01:39.08P4C0abrotman: sure that's the key to all evil, thanks a lot man, great help, couldn't figure it out without you... *sigh*
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01:39.40BingOi am getting amaze that why this given software for specific lenny is not installing
01:39.41BingOhttp://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/soundtouch
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01:39.48BingOit should install with out any issue
01:39.50abrotmanP4C0: i don't see the problem .. install ntp .. it will set your time
01:40.39BingOhey patches for that softwrae.. may be.. it will help..
01:40.50BingOhttp://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/soundtouch/1.3.1-2
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01:43.16P4C0abrotman: ... and when it doesn't your best recomendation is read the docs... I'm almost sure the problem is probably some firewall blocking port 123, but don't worry, you are right it's all in the documentation, specially what you can expect when it's blocked...
01:43.36abrotmansome firewall ?
01:43.43abrotmanwhy would it block a request on port 123 ?
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01:44.58babilenBingO: The software you want to install (voicechanger) is not packaged in debian. You already know that you will have to compile it yourself. As it seems to depend on a newer version of a library that is indeed packaged in Debian (libsoundtouch1c2) you will have to compile that library as well.
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01:45.21P4C0abrotman: I don't know, I'll have to email the network administrator... but he is BOFH and I need to be sure that's the cause... and I supposed a "no server suitable for synchronization found
01:45.39abrotmanP4C0: FWIW .. ntp and ntpdate would both fail if that were the case
01:45.41P4C0" for debian ntp servers is one... that or debian's ntp server are all down...
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01:45.57abrotmanunless you can request some internal NTP server
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01:46.39babilenBingO: Do you *really* need that coice pitch changer so badly that you want to got through all these steps? I have the impression that compiling software is not really something you are used to, so you might want to spare yourself the hassle.
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01:47.13abrotmanP4C0: how much is your clock off ?
01:47.24P4C0abrotman: well, ntp has been runing for half hour... nothing on the logs... not sure if that counts as fail... but it wasn't running when I first logged in here (and it's on the rc.d links) so it must be that...
01:47.33P4C0abrotman: one hour late... daylight saving for sure
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01:47.53abrotmanP4C0: so you haven't read man ntpd ?
01:48.07BingObabilen:  that software is compilling perfet on your side ? did you test
01:48.08jpinx-eeepcabrotman: I did the ssb procedure on the eeepc, purged bitlbee and installed the .deb I'd built, but now irssi refuses to connect to localhost. Any ideas?
01:48.17P4C0abrotman: of course not
01:48.28abrotmanP4C0: okay .. have fun!
01:48.37d1bP4C0: ntpq -p k thankz bia
01:48.44abrotmanjpinx-eeepc: nope .. i don't use bitlbee
01:48.50abrotmand1b: thanks for not helping ..
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01:49.08d1babrotman: ntpq -p will show ntp status.
01:49.16abrotmani know .. you still didn't let him read
01:49.27pflanzeHello. I want to install onto an old laptop with broken cdrom and no floppy nor usb booting, meaning that I have to install to the harddisc from another computer.
01:49.51d1babrotman: he will hopefully get the result he wants, (working or not), of course he should read the manual :)
01:49.52pflanzeAny ideas how to do this? (I've attached the disc to the other computer already; but it's a different architecture)
01:49.53abrotmannetwork?
01:50.10abrotmanpflanze: when you say different architecture .. you mean ?
01:50.36pflanzeThe disc is attached through usb to my x64_86 laptop.
01:50.43pflanzeAnd the old laptop is x86.
01:51.01BingObabilen: i thnk you should check and compile it on your own system you will get to know..
01:51.17pflanze(x86_64, that is)
01:51.30abrotmanpflanze: easy way .. boot a 32bit livecd .. use debootstrap on the target
01:51.39pflanzehrm.
01:51.55pflanzeJust crossed my mind, too. I'd be happier if I didn't have to reboot my laptop.
01:52.06abrotmanseriously?
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01:52.46d1bpflanze: attach the disk you are going to install too, debootstrap a 32bit foo....
01:52.50abrotmanpflanze: you could try to use qemu if that would let you use a device as its devices
01:53.01babilenBingO: I will run any software that has "OMG !!11 lol" anywhere in its source. Good luck.
01:53.04pflanzeqemu is a nice idea.
01:53.15babilenBingO: *not* run that is
01:53.15abrotmand1b: won't that do a 64bit ?
01:53.26paissad-hphi
01:53.29paissad-hpi would like to know if i really need to add a new display AND a new device AND a new screen to xorg.conf in order to have the same display ontot my monitor and lcd tv screen
01:53.32pflanzed1b: how do you mean? The disk is attached right now; but, what to put on it?
01:53.35paissad-hphttp://wiki.osuosl.org/display/howto/Set+Up+Dual+Monitors+-+xorg.conf
01:53.36d1babrotman: im just trying to work that out, the kernel is the only thing i think would be the issue (initrd foo).
01:53.42paissad-hpas shown above
01:53.57d1bhe could at least do the first stage.
01:54.19BingObabilen: you fisrt have to to install sound touch then it will not show this message, did you see where it is showing this message becoz not finding that software
01:54.23d1bpflanze: probably qemu is easier.
01:55.12abrotmanthough probably slower :)
01:55.24pflanzeI probably shouldn't do a full install with qemu, though (and same problem if I did the install by rebooting my laptop): hardware recognition would make wrong choices, right?
01:55.37pflanzeSo, how far should I go?
01:55.39d1babrotman: btw debootstrap has --arch also --foreign.
01:55.45babilenBingO: the point is not whether I *see* the package or not. I will not execute code like that on my system.
01:56.09abrotmand1b: ah okay
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01:56.32pflanzeI think, first stage, until it wants to reboot, but will that even work?
01:56.36abrotmanpflanze: sure you could do a full install .. you can have it emulate a 32bit x86 and point it at the lenny 32bit ISO .. and away you go
01:56.42abrotman(assuming you can use a real system device)
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01:57.10d1bpflanze: personally i would reboot, install from the cd and REMOVE the disk on this laptop (main one) that you are not installing too.
01:57.24pflanzeCouldn't I just put the debian installer cdrom image to some smaller partition and make it somehow boot the machine into that?
01:58.01abrotman!hd-media
01:58.01dpkgTo install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en  You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/  (note these are for etch on i386)
01:58.27BingObabilen: ok .. tell me little bit about .dsc and .diff file how can we install it ?
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02:00.59pflanzeI wonder whether that laptop supports tftp or bootp; ThinkPad T21. Googling.
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02:05.04pflanzeI think I'll just try running debootstrap on the disk and find out how to install grub in the meantime.
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02:09.49BingOThanks all..
02:09.53BingOGood Luck !!
02:09.57BingObye
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02:11.49gutsyhi everybody, how come i'm unable to install "ettercap-gtk" on "unstable debian"; it gives me the following error: "Depends: libltdl3 (>=1.5.2-2) but it is not installable"
02:12.32abrotmanjudd: versions libltdl3
02:12.33juddabrotman: libltdl3 -- etch: 1.5.22-4 etch-backports: 1.5.24-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.5.26-4 squeeze: 1.5.26-4
02:13.09markybobjumping jehosaphat
02:15.20abrotmanthe next ubuntu release
02:15.33abrotmangutsy: that package isn't in sid at all apparently
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02:16.08markybobhe doesnt really learn.  i remember him here last night
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02:16.56gutsymarkybob: what u mean
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02:17.40gutsyabrotman: damn, i gotta compile it myself then?
02:17.47abrotmangutsy: or not use ettercap
02:17.53tyler_anyone wanna chat? my num's 505-999-0042
02:18.14abrotmantyler_: *wrong channel*
02:18.15merrilywtf
02:18.19tyler_srry
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02:20.25gutsyabrotman: is it supported in previous versions of debian?
02:21.33merrilygutsy: learn to use http://packages.debian.org
02:22.19gutsymerrily: ok, thanks for the link
02:22.29abrotmangutsy: i'm going to guess that ettercap-gtk should be rebuilt against libtldl7
02:23.14gutsyabrotman: thanks for the suggestion
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02:27.57jpinx-eeepcabrotman: fixed it :)
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02:29.49pflanzeI've run "debootstrap --arch=i386 --foreign lenny /mnt/sdc6/mnt/"; now this didn't write an etc/inittab. How is this supposed to be bootable?
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02:30.10pflanze(Even assuming I manage to get grub installed onto the disc)
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02:30.36jpinx-eeepcnow to throw out all the rubbish created...
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02:43.07neoiceso it doesnt look like 'purge' clears out the Debian-exim user... and it in fact looks like some cronjobs lose their mind if Debian-exim doesnt exist
02:43.11neoiceanyone know why?
02:44.09abrotmanneoice: it doesn't remove users
02:44.28neoicepurge?
02:45.04neoiceI could have sworn it did. I'm guessing there's not a nice tool to reorganize uids/guids either (for the obsessive-compulsive folks)
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03:00.29mrlolplxi have a huge problem, i have a memory usage of 97 percent and im not really running anything heavy, what do i do?
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03:03.22abrotmanmrlolplx: measuring how ?
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03:05.59mrlolplxok, i panicked there for awhile
03:06.08mrlolplxbut i think it was a bug
03:06.12mrlolplxdownloaded phpsysinfo
03:06.25mrlolplxbut in htop it shows 300/2000
03:06.29mrlolplxso i guess im alright
03:07.02abrotman!am i swapping
03:07.02dpkgrun "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping
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03:08.08mrlolplxand if its 0?
03:08.22abrotmanthen you're not
03:08.53mrlolplxits zero
03:08.55mrlolplxall the way
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03:09.43abrotmanokay ...
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03:10.31S4nD3rplease, help me, when I try to run 'update-manager -d', I got it     http://pastebin.com/dd81667e
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03:12.59S4nD3rWhen I try to install anything using apt-get, I have it http://pastebin.com/d6f62760b
03:13.08abrotman!repeat
03:13.08dpkgPlease don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it.  If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information.  Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question.  If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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03:15.45raresanyone find a fix for the intel i845 lockup problem?
03:16.01raresi'm using 2.6.31 trunk
03:16.13raresit's supposed to fix it for i865
03:16.35kbsI'm using debian stable (debian_version == 5.0.3) and unable to discover why my tc4200 (with a wacom stylus) is unable to load the driver. lsmod reveals wacom driver running, but no /dev/input/wacom. lsusb does not show anything other than a hub.
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03:18.09abrotmankbs: check the BTS .. i'm fairly certain wacom is utterly broken
03:18.29kbsabrotman: ah, ok.
03:18.33aaronhey i have a question. how do you bring up the wireless network up?
03:18.34aaronand how can i see the wireless network?
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03:18.53aaronany help please?
03:19.14abrotmankbs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=stable;package=xserver-xorg-input-wacom .. well .. i don't see anything that dramatic
03:19.26abrotmanaaron: in what? CLI? GNome? KDE?
03:19.41aaronI'M USING FLUXBOX
03:19.48aaronabrotman, by teminal
03:19.57kbsabrotman: ok -- looking, thanks for pointer in any case.
03:20.08abrotmanaaron: man iwconfig
03:20.36nsadmintry iwlist
03:20.58nsadminand (as a test) try ifconfig wlan0
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03:21.15nsadmin<PROTECTED>
03:21.40aaronyes it is loaded
03:21.55aaroni'm just confused on how to connect to wireless via terminal
03:22.17nsadminok, look into iwconfig and iwlist
03:22.52babilenaaron: Do you need to connect to encrypted wireless networks?
03:22.55aaronokey is wlan0
03:23.04aaronbabilen, nope it does not have a key
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03:23.57aarondo you copy babilen
03:23.58babilenaaron: Alright. Then "iwconfig wlan0 essid 'ESSID'" should connect you. You will associate with the AP then...
03:24.12aaronon essid what do i put?
03:24.18aaronthe name of the Network?
03:24.23babilenaaron: The name of your network.
03:24.31aaronON BOTH?
03:24.40aaronbabilen, how do you list the networks?
03:24.44babilenaaron: no
03:25.33nsadminlook into iwlist
03:25.34babilenaaron: You list the networks with "iwlist wlan0 scan"
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03:33.22gzeusI know
03:33.23abrotmangzeus: but you can't file a bug on it ?
03:33.24gzeus"There is no maintainer for joy2key. Please do not report new bugs against this package."
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03:33.38gzeusI don't want to ruffle any feathers
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03:33.38abrotmangzeus: you could become the maintainer? :)
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03:33.39gzeusheh, I know for a fact that I don't have the know-how needed.
03:33.39gzeusI don't even know how to fix the bug
03:33.39abrotmangzeus: pdo says the maintainer is John Wright ?
03:33.39nsadminin my opinion either bugs should be filed or the package remived
03:33.39abrotmangzeus: what told you not to file bugs ?
03:33.39gzeushttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=%20joy2key;dist=unstable
03:33.39nsadminthere's no room or excuse for any middle ground
03:33.39gzeusbuh
03:33.39abrotmangzeus: take out the space
03:33.39gzeusnsadmin: agreed
03:33.39abrotmanhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=joy2key;dist=unstable
03:33.39gzeusah
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03:33.40abrotmangzeus: better ?
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03:33.40gzeusbug in conkeror, gotta fix that
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03:33.40gzeuswin
03:33.40gzeusI'll file a report
03:33.40gzeusgood times
03:33.40aaronabrotman, can you tell me what's wrong with this command?
03:33.40aaroniwconfig wlan0 name name?
03:33.40abrotmangzeus: it was probably a bug in your copy/paste :)
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03:33.41abrotmanaaron: what's the error?
03:33.42abrotmanbesides 'name' isn't a comman ?
03:33.42gzeusabrotman: nah, there
03:33.42aaronit says iwconfig: unknow command "belking54g
03:33.42gzeuss a built in debian bug search
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03:33.46abrotmangzeus: it worked just fine for me the first time
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03:34.09CutMeOwnThroatgzeus, works better without the space in front of the package name
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03:34.18CutMeOwnThroatoh, abrotman already said taht
03:34.19nsadminahh, I see... there was a space... generally spaces aren';t permitted in urls; they'd have to be encoded
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03:34.27gzeusCutMeOwnThroat: yeah, bug in conkeror
03:34.39aaronit says iwconfig: unknow command "belking54g that's what it says abrotman
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03:34.50d1b%20 yay!
03:34.50abrotmanaaron: they you did it wrong .. try again
03:35.08aaronabrotman, how would it be right?
03:35.10nsadminshow the exact command you used
03:35.16d1baaron: what are you trying to do ?
03:35.20CutMeOwnThroatnsadmin, works fine in practice, though - either browser automatically encodes them or the servers don't care
03:35.29aarondlb connect to belking54g
03:35.33d1biwconfig wlan0 essid "foobar" will set  the ssid you want to connect too.
03:35.49CutMeOwnThroatnsadmin, (very much apparent when writing wikipedia lemmas directly in the url)
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03:36.01d1baaron: iwconfig wlan0 essid "belkin54g" , or you can use any if it is open i guess.
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03:36.25nsadminwhen life serves up a pair of lemmas...
03:36.32d1bJUMP
03:36.41nsadminmake lemmanade!
03:36.42aarondlb done but it's not connecting though
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03:37.42d1baaron: if the network uses encryption say like wpa, you need to set that up.
03:37.42d1bnetwork manager is an easy method of doing this.
03:37.42CutMeOwnThroatcringes in pain
03:37.42aarondlb is not using no key
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03:37.43d1baaron: so go iwconfig and see if you are connected to the AP
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03:38.20aaronyes i am connected it to edwill how can i changed that?
03:39.07aaronto belking54g?
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03:40.24aaronu there dlb?
03:41.07d1baaron:  http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/
03:41.17d1bapt-get install network-manager and get the gnome tray thingy too.
03:41.22aarondlb i want to doit by terminal =)
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03:41.49d1baaron: you don't seem to be able to do that :)
03:41.53d1brtfm.
03:41.56aaronOK
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03:43.10abrotmanoh sure .. now you get someone to read the manual
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03:44.19d1babrotman: double standards!
03:44.34ice799why does debian strip binaries?
03:44.35d1babrotman: one guy doesn't listen, the other did it would seem.
03:44.37ice799it is really annoying.
03:44.45ice799what are the chances i'll be able to convince them to stop doing that?
03:44.48ice799probably small, i guess.
03:44.51d1bice799: not much.
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03:45.01ice799arg.
03:45.14abrotmanice799: what do yu want to do?
03:45.17ice799i *hate* how everyting is stripped.
03:45.48ice799i just want useful core dumps, backtraces, and the ability to use things like my hacked ltrace.
03:45.59ice799having the elf symbol tables intact makes life soooooooooo much easier
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03:46.25nsadminthen rebuild the package
03:46.37ice799nsadmin: obviously
03:46.44ice799but why even strip them in the first place?
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03:46.59ice799there's no point, really.
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03:47.32abrotmanice799: there are -dbg packages for most packages
03:47.41ice799abrotman: i know
03:47.45abrotmanokay then ..
03:47.45ice799but not everything.
03:47.51ice799and it is fucking annoying.
03:48.02lotus-bladewhat wm is light on the resources?  Gnome is a little to heavy for my system.  it is taking forever to load everything
03:48.03ice799there is no reason to strip the binaries, is what i'm saying.
03:48.15ice799yeah, sure, sure you can get libc6-dbg or whatever else you want
03:48.25ice799but why not just make libc6-dbg the default to begin with?
03:48.31ice799and skip all the bullshit?
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03:50.14abrotmanbecause the installed size is larger ?
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03:50.29mesaGLdon't dbg libs and apps run slower ?
03:50.35ice799mesaGL: no.
03:50.38abrotmanlotus-blade: icewm, lxde, xfce, blackbox, tons of smaller WMs
03:50.48mesaGLice799: no what ?
03:51.10ice799abrotman: does anyone actually care about disk space? i mean for like embedded installs, sure. but i would venture to guess that upwards of 99% of people dont care
03:51.25abrotmanice799: not everyone has a 500GB HDD .. this laptop certainly doesn't
03:51.29d1bice799: most pepole don't need that stuff, if they do they can install the dbg. you are given binary  packages, if you don't like them don't use them.
03:51.35ice799mesaGL: no is the answer to your question.
03:51.55d1bice799: *yes* we do care, some of us run debian where we don't have *large* hard disk space.
03:52.06ice799d1b: and you are the minority.
03:52.19abrotmanice799: not really .. you are
03:52.33ice799d1b: debian shouldnt cater specifically to people like you. people like you have special environments. you guys can have a script which strips shit for you.
03:52.40d1bice799: last time i looked, the arm arch was fairly popular :)
03:52.40abrotmanice799: most people don't care if the binary is stripped or not .. most people aren't running debugging tools on their binaries
03:52.41d1betc.
03:52.46mesaGLice799: well i disagree. as a long time programmer, i think you are not just a bit wrong, you are completely wrong
03:52.59ice799mesaGL: you were a shitty programmer, then.
03:53.13ice799sure most people dont but when something bad happens and some app segfaults
03:53.13abrotmanice799: tough shit .. if you don't like it, find another distro
03:53.20d1bice799: you are not totally correct.
03:53.22ice799people like me cant get useful backtraces
03:53.28ice799to fix the problems.
03:53.28abrotmanice799: LIKE YOU ..
03:53.36abrotmanice799: most people jsut file a bug and carry on
03:53.39d1bice799: from....
03:53.41abrotmanhell .. i bet most don't even file a bug
03:53.55d1bwhat is it that is giving you backtraces anyways...
03:53.58ice799sure, but the ones that do wouldn't be it useful if the backtraces were actually useful?
03:54.00abrotmanthis is going to go nowhere fast .. might as well just stop now
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03:54.50ice799abrotman: tough shit to you, my friend. i'll try to convince people and perhaps it will work.
03:54.57d1bice799: look.
03:55.03abrotmanice799: no, it won't
03:55.16d1bice799: having a useful backtrace is useful to a package 0.01% of the time or less.
03:55.26ice799d1b: completely false.
03:55.28ice799completely.
03:55.31mesaGLice799: is that your considered opinion ? haha. how does my ... lack of skill ... affect the measurable performance of things, when -g or whatever is turned on ?
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03:55.45d1bice799: if i got backtrace more than that i wouldn't use the software :)
03:56.02abrotmanFWIW ... policy states: Note that by default all installed binaries should be stripped, either by using the -s flag to install, or by calling strip on the binaries after they have been copied into debian/tmp but before the tree is made into a package.
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03:56.20ice799its not just backtraces, though. it's other monitoring and debugging tools, like ltrace. ltrace has a flag which is compeltely useless if the bin has been stripped.
03:56.33d1bice799: so don't use that flag.
03:56.44ice799why don't you just stop stripping binaries
03:56.53abrotmanwhy don't you find a distro that doesn't strip binaries?
03:56.54ice799and then i can use whatever flags i want.
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03:57.06mesaGLltrace is for rank amateurs, so i don't see the actual problem
03:57.21ice799abrotman: because i'd rather convince an existing distro to do it than start yet another distro.
03:57.21abrotmanmesaGL: because you're a shitty programmer, duh
03:57.35abrotmanice799: i didn't tell you to start a distro .. i said to find one
03:57.36ice799mesaGL: i bet you have no idea what ltrace is or how it works.
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03:57.49d1bice799: so go use gentoo and compile it yourself.
03:57.57mesaGLabrotman: yes, maybe you're right
03:58.18sway_?
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03:59.19abrotmanice799: either way .. if you want it changed, or want to argue your point, this isn't the place .. send an email to debian-devel and state your case
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03:59.28ice799abrotman: I shall.
03:59.29lotus-bladewhat wm is light on the resources?  Gnome is a little to heavy for my system.  it is taking forever to load everythingis the a lightweight wm that has the power of gnome?
03:59.36abrotmanlotus-blade: icewm, lxde, xfce, blackbox, tons of smaller WMs
03:59.38jetscreamericewm
03:59.40abrotmanagain ...
03:59.52ice799and for mesaGL: stripping a binary removes .symtab .debuginfo and all dwarf sections.
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04:00.03abrotmanice799: please move along ..
04:00.03ice799you can include debugging information *without* affecting performance *at all*
04:00.15d1bice799: anyways, gdb, valgrind, mudflap etc. are all useful for debugging. and really why do you need  fancy version of strace.
04:00.28ice799mesaGL: please don't speak up about performance, programming, optimization, or anything related until you actually know what you are talking about.
04:00.34ice799d1b: Because ltrace isnt a fancy version of strace.
04:00.35abrotmanmove along ...
04:00.41d1bnevermind.
04:00.44abrotmanthanks!
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04:01.06ice799d1b: ltrace allows you to set breakpoints on a program's PLT entries and (with my patches) on entries in libdl-loaded libraries
04:01.12abrotmanice799: enough!
04:01.16ice799d1b: which is, actually, insanely useful.
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04:01.37ice799abrotman: I'm educating people.
04:01.44abrotmanice799: this isn't the place for that ..
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04:02.13ice799So either kickban me or ignore what I'm saying.
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04:02.32abrotmanice799: go email debian-devel
04:03.04ice799There's no reason to tell debian-devel about ltrace and how it differs from strace.
04:03.20jetscreamerhe will ban you, he's an asshole! :)
04:03.34ice799it seems that people here are interested, though. Besides, ltrace has a debian package.
04:03.44nsadminice799: apt-get source <packagename> and then there's a env var you can use to not strip that one package. probably you have to edit to get -g
04:03.47abrotmanactually .. i don't think anyone is anymore ..
04:03.58rjaymanyone know what actually creates /dev/hda?
04:04.11nsadminmknod
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04:04.32amitzor udev?
04:04.45nsadminudev uses mknod too.
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04:05.14rjaymoh I see
04:05.43rjaymso to setup a system that may have any number of HDs connected to it, one would simply populate /dev using mknod
04:05.48benjamindeesI forget, is it okay to spam the channel with a Linux job?
04:05.52abrotmanno
04:05.53rjaymfor hda/hdb/hdc however many
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04:07.23nsadminbut udev should see the drive and create the nodes automatically
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04:08.53rjaymdoes the kernel pass to tty1 if it's in /dev, or does it default to /dev/console unless something else happens?
04:09.36mesaGLice799: i'm having a bit of trouble with some coding. know anything about signal processing ? what i would really like is a time-domain closed form of the dolph-chebyshev data tapering window, without resorting to inverse fft
04:09.50abrotmanmesaGL: please don't
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04:10.15ice799mesaGL: Yes, actually I do.
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04:15.39lotus-bladeis there a jdk ee package? or do I have to dl it and compile
04:15.49abrotman!tell lotus-blade about install java
04:15.52abrotman!tell lotus-blade about contrib
04:15.55abrotman!tell lotus-blade about non-free
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04:17.51benjamindees#jobs
04:17.58benjamindeesheh
04:18.04abrotmanbenjamindees: don't do that
04:18.24benjamindeesit was a mistake genius
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04:21.06abrotmanlooks at all the .gr ...
04:23.12kisuke_hello
04:23.16lotus-bladethanx 4 the help with the stupis questions.  I am not used to linux yet.  I just switch from freebsd
04:23.48kisuke_Is there anyone who knows a little sphinx?
04:25.01spvenskolotus-blade: why the switch if i may ask
04:25.52ice799benjamindees: you might have to, if you want debug information.
04:26.35xsdgkisuke_: what about it?
04:27.42benjamindeesice799: that wasn't me...
04:28.13ice799oops, tab completion fail.
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04:28.48spvenskoepic tab completion fail
04:28.51spvenskosorry, i couldn't help myself
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04:29.35everythingdanielI keep getting caps and scroll lock lights on the keyboard during the install. What does that mean?
04:29.44everythingdaniel*lights flashing
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04:30.06xsdgeverythingdaniel: that's usually a kernel panic signal
04:30.10xsdgeverythingdaniel: did it stop?
04:30.19everythingdanielyes,
04:30.38nsadminwouldn't vc4 have a log of those?
04:30.44jetscreamer:)--
04:30.47everythingdanielso, its just sitting there with the blue installer screen, and lights flashing
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04:31.11jetscreamereverythingdaniel: is that the gui or the text installer
04:31.16everythingdanieltext
04:31.21everythingdanielnet install
04:31.22jetscreamero
04:31.26everythingdaniel150mb cd image
04:31.52nsadminmaybe you should run memtest86
04:32.24xsdgeverythingdaniel: yeah, that's a kernel panic
04:32.32everythingdanielI did earlier today, got to 104% complete. no memory errors
04:32.48xsdgeverythingdaniel: it's weird that you wouldn't see it on the console
04:33.01nsadminwouldn't vc4 have a log of those?
04:34.05xsdgnsadmin: but you can't switch 8)
04:34.25xsdgeverythingdaniel: but yeah, as nsadmin points out, you should try switching to VC4 before the point where it usually stops and see what it says
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04:34.36everythingdanielhow do I switch?
04:34.42xsdgeverythingdaniel: Ctrl+Alt+F4
04:34.48xsdgeverythingdaniel: it won't work after it panics, though
04:34.58everythingdanielokay, Ill reboot and do that
04:35.04xsdgnsadmin: sorry; at first I was wondering why the heck you were talking about Visual C++ 4 :oP
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04:38.12everythingdanielwow
04:38.17everythingdanielokay, I see the panic
04:38.41Gun_SmokeAnyone have experience with tsocks? I have access to a ssh server, and the campus network is pissing me off. I can't get anything but 22, 80, and 443. So I'm thinking I can tunnel everything. From what I've been reading I can ssh -L/D/R per instance. But I was hoping at something a bit more global.
04:39.21everythingdanielOn that line it says -- Kernal Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
04:40.23MorkBorkif you wanna tunnel like a champ
04:40.25MorkBorkopenvpn my friend
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04:40.37MorkBorki mean ssh can do it, the -w option can even make a tunnel device that you can adjust your routes through
04:40.41MorkBorkbut not much is as sexy as openvpn
04:41.12mesaGLeverythingdaniel: is apic turned on in the bios ? sounds like you have irq contention
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04:41.31Gun_SmokeMorkBork: pretty straight forward? I have no problems reading but it this is a 'project' I might be looking for something different.
04:41.45MorkBorkits a daemon like anything else
04:41.47everythingdanielthe one above says -- EIP: [<c48137a5>] __ide_set_handler+0x15/0x45 [ide_core] SS:ESP 068:c0363e60
04:41.53MorkBorki used it back in the day when i was in college
04:42.10MorkBorkbring my laptop to school and openvpn all my traffic back home first, securely
04:42.27MorkBorktheres tons of samples/guides/configs
04:42.31MorkBorkits a daemon like any other i guess
04:42.33everythingdanielmesaGL: Ill check apic
04:42.38MorkBorka big project? no, but a bit of reading maybe???
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04:43.14MorkBorktheres also the ssh -w option in newer versions of ssh
04:43.23MorkBorkto make a tunnel device
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04:43.48Gun_SmokeMorkBork: Sounds like just what I'm after. I have a sheevaplug on the way that I can leave up a home all day.
04:44.04MorkBorkeither one will work
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04:44.17MorkBorkopenvpn is a cleaner solution, but ssh is plenty workable for a hax
04:49.03MorkBorklol
04:49.08MorkBorkyou can even tunnel through dns or icmp
04:49.12MorkBorkpeople have gotten that crafty
04:49.20MorkBorkthat wont be necessary though
04:50.40everythingdanielmesaGL: I dont see anything about apic in the bios
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04:53.03everythingdanieland graphical install failed with Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,3)
04:53.32everythingdanielI guess Ill say it, I am trying this on a slow computer, 64mb ram. 233mhz mmx intel
04:53.32MorkBorkhmm
04:53.37MorkBorkoh thats an old system
04:53.50everythingdanielJust trying to get a text based thing to run a basica home server
04:54.04everythingdanielget ssh, and but the box in a corner
04:54.07everythingdaniel*put
04:54.09MorkBorkgood call
04:54.16MorkBorkbut debian might not be the best choice for that
04:54.27everythingdanielany suggestions?
04:54.33benjamindeesI'm not sure that's even enough RAM to do an install these days...
04:54.34MorkBorkits the lightest/tightest mainstream distro but thats some old stuff
04:54.52MorkBorkdamn small linux might work well
04:54.56MorkBorkit uses old kernel, etc
04:55.25MorkBorklinux can run on systems with 2mb of memory even, but the distro herd has moved on from those days ;p
04:55.31everythingdanielDSL, booted fine, but I need a partition utility to distroy windows
04:55.51everythingdanieland my gparted live cd wont boot for some reason
04:55.57MorkBorkyou cant destroy windows from within dsl?
04:56.17benjamindeesnevermind: "You must have at least 44MB of memory and 500MB of hard disk space to perform a normal installation."
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04:57.00everythingdanielMorkBork, nope no partition utility
04:57.14MorkBorkbenjamindees, yea but i think hes doing a graphical install from what i read
04:58.27MorkBorkif you are doing debian, try doing the regular installer and not the graphical one
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04:59.18MorkBorkbut i kinda jumped in mid way
04:59.20everythingdanielnot graphical
04:59.23MorkBorkso i dont know if some other people covered that
04:59.25everythingdanielwell, I tried both
04:59.26MorkBorkor if you can even get there
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05:01.01everythingdanielno, the graphical way panicked evern faster
05:02.16MorkBorkim looking up other distros for you to try
05:02.26MorkBorkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VectorLinux
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05:04.38MorkBorkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEPIS
05:04.40MorkBorkmaybe antiX?
05:04.42everythingdanielvector did the same thing I think with the blinking lights, but they did not say anything about the ctl-alt-f4 thing so I did not know what the error was
05:04.43MorkBorknever used either of those
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05:06.31MorkBorkwindows is working alright on that computer right now though?
05:06.40benjamindeeseverythingdaniel: any odd hardware?  video cards or wi-fi?
05:06.56MorkBorkim getting the impression that its just quirky stuff and the quirks have been lost over the years
05:07.02MorkBorkespecially if dsl's 2.4 kernel works for him
05:07.16smacnayI see a bunch of "geoclue" stuff was installed on my system (I am using Deb sid with Gnome) - is this being used by apps or is it there for me to set up and run?  What apps use geoclue if any?
05:07.17d1beverythingdaniel: try turn acpi off.
05:07.26everythingdanielMorkBork: it has 98se on it, and its very buggy.
05:07.29MorkBorkahh
05:07.37MorkBorkyea i forget the acpi kernel lines
05:07.42MorkBorkhavent had to touch that in forever
05:07.49MorkBorkacpi=off ?
05:07.53d1bacpi=off
05:07.56d1b:)
05:07.57everythingdanielboot aption?
05:08.01everythingdanielokay
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05:16.22everythingdanielMorkBork & d1b, same panic
05:16.55d1bwhat is the panic message ...
05:17.35everythingdaniel23:39 everythingdaniel: On that line it says -- Kernal Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
05:17.35everythingdaniel.....
05:17.37everythingdaniel23:41 everythingdaniel: the one above says -- EIP: [<c48137a5>] __ide_set_handler+0x15/0x45 [ide_core] SS:ESP 068:c0363e60
05:17.42d1bok.
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05:18.54d1bwhich kernel are you trying to use ? the lenny one or the etch one.
05:19.52everythingdanielWhatever is on http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd
05:20.06everythingdanielthe 150mb one
05:20.09everythingdanielerr, 180
05:20.22d1bok.
05:21.19MorkBorkim wondering if it has some ancient controller
05:21.20MorkBork;x
05:21.47d1beverythingdaniel: perhaps try getting etch.
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05:23.32everythingdanielMorkBork, that is very very possible. It is a dell desktop (strike 1), and the original os was NT workstation (dated)
05:23.40MorkBorkhm
05:23.45MorkBorkif you can get into damn small linux again
05:23.49MorkBorklspci might be there
05:23.54MorkBorkto show you what kind of controller it is
05:23.57MorkBorkso we can research it more
05:24.05MorkBorkbrb
05:24.14everythingdanielokay, Ill do that
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05:24.45benjamindeestry 'ide=nodma'
05:25.44everythingdanielbenjamindees, just stuck in the DSL cd, Ill try that after I get the info for MorkBork
05:27.14benjamindeesor that may be obsolte, use 'hdx=nodma' where x is your cdrom
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05:37.44amitzsay, what's the bash way to check if I lost contact of my Accesspoint in wifi? There is a corresponding entry in /var/log/syslog I can check using cron(?) sleep(?), but is there a debian way?
05:38.00amitzcorresponding entry for wifi disconnection.
05:38.33Mordbrannifconfig?
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05:39.11amitzgoogling/maning
05:39.25MorkBorkif there any document with the rational for no /etc/init.d/iptables save/load etc functionality in debian?
05:40.05MorkBorkis*
05:40.18benjamindeesamitz: iwconfig will tell you if you are currently associated
05:41.08MorkBorki grow weary of having to hack that up everytime i install debian on a system
05:41.13MorkBorksaving/restoring of rules
05:42.09benjamindeesMorkBork: "not invented here";  besides there are several good firewall packages that are easier than manually hacking iptables rules
05:42.22MorkBorkshrug
05:42.28MorkBorkim so used to writing them by hand
05:42.42MorkBorkand im used to being able to just do /etc/init.d/iptables save on any other distro
05:42.48MorkBorkredhat, centos, fedora, gentoo
05:42.50MorkBorketc
05:43.13MorkBorkit seems like lots of good implementations have been submitted and they are always hated on
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05:44.05everythingdanielhttp://everythingdaniel.com/uploads/bashstat.png
05:44.17everythingdanielMorkBork^^
05:44.37MorkBorkk
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05:45.55amitzbenjamindees: you mean like parsing the output of iwconfig? I see. Is there any push method to detect that
05:45.58amitz?
05:46.12everythingdanielbenjamindees: if I only have one cd drive, would it be hd1=nodma ?
05:46.16amitzinstead of periodically polling iwconfig
05:47.02everythingdanielohh hard drive
05:47.08everythingdanielsame thing, only the one
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05:47.25d1bamitz: mm. not sure. i thought in dmesg it would show "timed out" or something.
05:48.02benjamindeeseverythingdaniel: more like 'hda=nodma' but go ahead and add it for all of them, a b c d
05:48.27MorkBorkyea id try without dma
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05:48.49amitzd1b: disconnection actually triggers an entry in /var/log/syslog. Is there a way to run a script whenever /var/log/syslog updated?
05:49.02everythingdanielokay
05:49.28TrampMorkBork: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=212692 - especially the last sentence (from the maintainer): iptables is not a firewall
05:49.37amitzor basically I have to run a script that monitor /var/log/syslog?
05:49.48brbrbris away: I'm busy
05:50.00Tramp!tell brbrbr -about away
05:50.19MorkBorki totally agree, default rules are rediculous
05:50.28MorkBorkbut implementing the save/restore functionality in init.d
05:50.32brbrbris back (gone 00:00:06)
05:50.33MorkBorkthats not really anything major
05:50.34brbrbrhe right
05:50.36brbrbrnetfilter IS firewall. iptables is just one(aside other)way to interface withit
05:50.50brbrbrok
05:51.25MorkBorki dont like tying iptables to interface states
05:51.36MorkBorki feel its more of a system wide thing, some interfaces may come and go, etc
05:51.58brbrbrwhat you mean by "ridculous" about NF defaults in Debian distros ? "anythoing allow out" bty default ?
05:52.13TrampMorkBork: I tend to agree with your point. I just wanted to answer your initial question - and the answer seems to be, the maintainer does not want to.
05:52.30MorkBorkbrbrbr, i mean that having any defaults would be rediculous
05:52.43brbrbrtry ZORP then. or FWSnort. but most FW's is disigned around NF sceleton anyway
05:52.44MorkBorkdefault rules == stupid
05:53.03TrampMorkBork: and this "document" seems to be the closest I can get to verify this
05:53.18MorkBorkits just that every other distro ever
05:53.22MorkBorkimplements a save/restore feature
05:53.33MorkBorkthrough its init system
05:53.34brbrbrhow you expect to distribute distribution, targeted "for crowds", WITHOUT "defaults" ? or at lest without have learining curve at 1st time usage ?
05:53.55MorkBorkraw iptables is not for the new user
05:54.02MorkBorki simply want built in save/restore init script
05:54.16MorkBorkso it will be as all the other distributions i use are
05:54.25brbrbrrules ALWAYS stupid. at degree, similar to creatorand multiplied by compromise factor
05:54.28everythingdaniele error, but I noticed two interesting messages it pauses at before it scrolls a bunch of stuff than panics
05:54.48brbrbrsame about laws, including laws of gravity and etc and etc
05:55.03everythingdanielhdc "weird buffer size"?  defaulting to 2kb?
05:55.10everythingdanielI think that is what ehy were
05:55.14MorkBorkyea it sounds like it cant see the drive after it boots
05:55.15everythingdaniel*they
05:55.18qiyongdoes it hurt if i use transparent option, but i don't do transparent proxy?
05:55.20MorkBorkand im reading that on google too
05:55.29MorkBorkhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-September/095435.html
05:56.35brbrbrok. try suggers brainstorm to debian community at this point. IMO, its significant enough(4 it)
05:56.42brbrbrsuggers=suggest
05:56.54MorkBorkbrbrbr, i wont waste my time, i have seen many people put much effort into requests/brainstorms
05:57.00MorkBorkand submit excellent work
05:57.38MorkBorkmaybe someone could make new package, iptables-init
05:57.47MorkBorkshrug
05:58.01brbrbrpoint is to find "working" solution. not just "excelent" deathborn ones. mean solution, adopted{and improved over time]by community, not just by you or "you and you friends"
05:58.09MorkBorkat least then it will be available on fresh systems, but not part of default
05:58.14egotripper88how do i install the kjeyring for debian backports?
05:58.32everythingdanielJul 18 20:33:43 draco kernel: ide-cd: weird block size 524288
05:58.32everythingdanielJul 18 20:33:43 draco kernel: ide-cd: default to 2kb block size
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05:58.40everythingdaniel(copied from a website)
05:58.45brbrbrhow about move initial Firewall presets to ... PolicyKit, for example ?
05:59.11MorkBorkwell i do not want default firewall, just default interface to saving and loading
05:59.13MorkBorka 'standard way'
05:59.25MorkBorkbecause if you look now, there are at least 4-5 different ways, and none of them are ideal
05:59.40egotripper88Is there any thing i might be ablre to help with, mind you i am no programmer do to a math weakness
05:59.42brbrbrno problem, you can blow all NF presets in few keyboard clocks
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06:01.06nsadminegotripper88 programming isn't about math necessarily
06:01.51benjamindeesamitz:  what does your script do?  there is likely an existing program that will do what you are looking for.
06:02.04egotripper88nsadmin: Math helps for the rpoblem solving skills
06:02.21nsadminit can yes
06:03.04egotripper88nsadmin: I have attempted to teach my self bas scripting, C++  and perl
06:03.36nsadminbut math programming is like for finance, science/measurement, physics, chem, etc
06:03.45amitzbenjamindees: oh, basically I have a linux box as router with atheros (heh) card. It will periodically disconnect my client. I want my client to auto connect when it detect disconnection.
06:03.49nsadminand?
06:04.07brbrbramitz heartbeat ?
06:04.19nsadminbtw c++ isn't the easiest thing in the world
06:05.17amitzgoogling
06:05.54egotripper88nsadmin: I wiull admitit i think i bit off way more than oi could chew taking on C++, OTH I had a verry nice female professor off to be my python nmentor should i take her up on the offer?
06:07.32brbrbryep, C++ is not APL. or LOGO ;0
06:07.33brbrbrbut Prolog/Erlang is relatively closer to HB
06:07.33nsadminand now we;re offffff
06:07.33nsadminon a tangent :)
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06:07.34nsadminit just takes focus... but that's tangential too...
06:08.08nsadmintell her the python's out of the basket :)
06:09.04nsadminfirst, why do you think you failed?
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06:09.33amitzbrbrbr: overkill but stable... hmm. I'm considering, thanks all. Anyway, someone also suggested incron/inotify.
06:10.11egotripper88nsadmin: I think I failed becasue i tend to rush through things
06:10.33nsadminegotripper88: ok, so it sounds like you're asking for structure
06:10.47nsadminso take an actual class
06:10.53everythingdanielheh, just tried nodma along with acpi off
06:10.58everythingdanielsame thing
06:11.53egotripper88nsadmin: Thats just the problem the community college requires a minimu of clooege algebra to take any of the programminig classes the offer
06:11.54brbrbrtry also noapic too
06:12.13brbrbr"acpi=off" not "acpi off" ?
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06:13.05everythingdanielyes, I had the = in there when I did it :)
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06:13.20brbrbrhave same problem with taiwanese-manufacrtured moterboard, made by same guys, who's behind MS and FoxConn. p.s. ACPI playgames and etc
06:13.21everythingdanielnoapic?
06:13.33brbrbryep, try with noapic too
06:13.46brbrbrsometime help
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06:13.54everythingdanielis that a standalone thing? or hda=noapic ?
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06:15.01brbrbrstandalone
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06:15.08brbrbrlike "acpi=off"
06:15.32brbrbralso try force off MMU using
06:15.43brbrbrand other tricks, depend hardware
06:15.49everythingdanielohh, I did that, I though noapic was something else
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06:16.18brbrbrno, just ?"ordinary"(:-( kernel options :/
06:16.37brbrbrnot magic bullets to kill four-colored, dragons
06:16.50crazy2kAny idea what's the -r in useradd? The man page says it creates a "system account" but I don't get how's that different from a normal account.
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06:17.28everythingdanielMMU=off ?
06:17.50benjamindeescrazy2k: no home dir, no password, no logins
06:17.53xhairballcrazy2k: it literally says the difference right after "create a system account"
06:17.54brbrbri forgot. i enumerated MMU just as example
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06:18.02everythingdanieloh
06:18.05nsadminegotripper88: ok, first off... there are a lot of things you can do to help that have notyhing to do with programming...
06:18.20nsadminwrite docs, as an example
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06:18.54benjamindeesI imagine starting off by learning python would really screw a person up
06:18.54brbrbralso on some machines[notbooks mostly]debian need "noFB" option, ie text-mode instal. p.s. but rarely
06:19.07egotripper88nsadmin: Beta testing?
06:19.33nsadminas far as the algebra thing, what do you think is the issue there?
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06:20.18crazy2kbenjamindees: No password, no logins? What is it for, then?
06:20.23egotripper88nsadmin: I have dyspraxia which amkes mather painfuly hard
06:21.12nsadminok, are there any support organizations around dyspraxia?
06:21.42everythingdanielpanic still
06:21.45everythingdaniel:/
06:21.48nsadminit's a learning disability, yes? maybe they can help you
06:21.57egotripper88nsadmin: College Living Exserience
06:22.03everythingdanielIm starting to think its not worth this
06:22.45everythingdanielI know dsl boots, in live mode, so I just need to find a partitioner
06:23.48nsadminegotripper88: have you found out all you can about how they (and other orgs) can help?
06:24.13nsadminjust so you know... calculus people like calculus... but find algebra hard...
06:26.05egotripper88nsadmin: If it wwasn't for the support i receive from mcollege living Exsperience I would not have gotten a C in th 8week intensive  Configuring Windows Vista Class I took due to the emense one on one toutoring a received.
06:26.11benjamindeesegotripper88: java is a good starting point for c++;  not particularly useful in the OSS world, but easy to learn.
06:26.15H2S04nsadmin, what are you talking about? if you have poor algebra skills calculus is going to be hard.
06:26.18H2S04:P
06:26.59H2S04nsadmin, mathematics is a terrible example because it's cumulative.
06:27.57nsadmina lot of people have turned things around so that it's cumulative in a different order, or having minimal cumulativeness
06:28.39nsadmincompared, for example, to how one person turned geometry around, the traditional approach to it is horrible
06:29.06nsadminyou have to prove theorems in like the first week
06:29.25H2S04nsadmin, no.. algebra skills are required for calculus.
06:29.32nsadminstupid if you haven't studied the facts first
06:29.38H2S04nsadmin, it depends on what type of math you're building up to, but either way...
06:29.58H2S04but talking about picking things to learn for computer programming and such... it's not really the same at all..
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06:30.17brbrbrmath skills are esentil everywhere. at least befcause all teching books rely havily on math[regardless actual needs 4 it]
06:30.21nsadminusually applying calculus is some very short steps... everything else is algebra
06:30.44H2S04What are you talking about Calculus 1?
06:30.46H2S04:P
06:30.54H2S04If you're takling about differential equations...
06:30.57H2S04That is not the case.
06:31.38benjamindees!ops PeterJagoff
06:31.38dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: benjamindees complains about: PeterJagoff
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06:32.29nsadminoh so nice
06:32.32brbrbrshawcable goes trshcan ? :/
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06:37.01kc8pxyanyone up at this time? I'm trying to setup my lenny box as a WAP, and it's been too long..  only WAP i configured so far was under gentoo.
06:37.53brbrbrtoo many exploiters this time
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06:42.51everythingdanielbenjamindees: in dsl, it lists the drives as hda1 hda2...
06:43.03everythingdanielhow does that differ from hda hdb
06:43.05nsadminthose are partitions
06:43.09everythingdanielahh
06:43.19nsadminhda1 and hda2 are partitions on hda
06:43.26everythingdanielI see
06:43.43nsadminat least the way linux names them
06:43.55nsadmintraditionally anyway ;)
06:44.30nsadmintruth is, linux or not, they could be named anything and appear anywhere
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06:44.40everythingdanielokay, well if thats the case, nothing else to try, so going with dsl...
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06:45.07everythingdanielbut I am looking at everything to see if I missed anything for Debian
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06:45.24nsadminonce you get to dsl, look at the kernel version
06:45.36nsadminand the one in the netinst
06:45.52nsadminalso try to find the .config used in each
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06:46.22everythingdanielcan I do the kernel and stuff for debian by looking through the cd image?
06:46.34TyposuAwayI have a small networking problem, I have two bridges setup with a static ip, but they are both adding a default route which causes all traffic to stop..
06:46.41everythingdanielI dont think I can get it from the install stuff
06:46.42TyposuAwayis there a way I can make one not add the default route?
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06:47.49TyposuAwayor is the only solution to do something like: post-up route del default dev brN
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06:49.46everythingdanielnsadmin: its uname -r right?
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06:51.15nsadminyeah
06:52.02everythingdanielon dsl 2.4.31
06:52.18nsadmin2.4?
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06:52.25everythingdanielyeah
06:52.45nsadminso we're looking probably at a very old kernel
06:52.54everythingdanielahh okay
06:53.04nsadminor maybe it's the latest 2.4 and they;'re still working on it
06:53.11TyposuAwayah, I figured it out, I just needed to not specify a gateway line, and it stuck with doing a subnet route rather than default route
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06:53.16nsadminjudd kernels
06:53.17juddnsadmin: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
06:53.33nsadmin!kernels
06:53.36dpkgLinux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091104, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc6-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc6, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.5  , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9  , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6  , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.38 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.6
06:54.03brbrbrnote, most DSL version was built around 2.4.xx kernels. thats why hdX naming
06:54.03nsadminso 2.4.37 is latest 2.4
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06:54.28nsadminyou mean rather than sdX?
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06:54.55everythingdanielso basically that is my issue with debain install? it panicked when it saw my old hardware?
06:54.59everythingdaniel;p
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06:55.20everythingdanieland I would need something older...
06:55.32tensorpuddinghow old is your old hardware?
06:55.52everythingdanielgoes to find a sticker on the case
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06:56.10tensorpuddingwhat's the specs?
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06:57.38everythingdaniel1996
06:57.43everythingdaniel64mb ram
06:57.55everythingdaniel233mh mmx intel
06:58.02tensorpuddinghmm
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06:58.19tensorpuddingthat's pretty old
06:58.20everythingdanieland its a dell
06:58.37everythingdanielyeah, its not too new
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06:58.55exodus_msIs this channel for offtopic discussion or can one query about debian pro's and cons?
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06:59.41tensorpuddingyou could try installing an older version of debian and upgrading it up to a newer one
06:59.45everythingdanielso, is it probable to find an old version of debian and update it...
06:59.48tensorpuddingthough that would take a while
06:59.58everythingdanielwell, that computer has a while
06:59.59everythingdaniellol
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07:00.01tensorpuddingi have a computer of that vintage in my closet, it's using potato
07:00.26tensorpuddingi meant to upgrade it at some point but the lack of a cd-rom drive would make it tedious
07:00.30simonrvnexodus_ms: #debian-offtopic
07:00.45everythingdanielhttp://www.bbspot.com/news/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html ?
07:00.49MorkBorkpros and cons
07:01.10tensorpuddingno, debian potato
07:01.14brbrbryep, rather than sdx
07:01.27simonrvntensorpudding: um, why would you need a cd? no NIC?
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07:01.33tensorpuddingit's, old-old-old-old-stable
07:01.34MorkBorkpros: its light, stable, well supported, popular
07:01.39tensorpuddingI think
07:01.42everythingdanielahh ok
07:01.48simonrvn!potato
07:01.48dpkgsomebody said potato was Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000.  It is no longer supported.  Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information.  See also <potato sources.list>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato
07:01.50tensorpuddingsimonrvn: it has a NIC
07:01.59everythingdaniel2.2
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07:02.02simonrvn^^^
07:02.03tensorpuddingbut I can't boot it because i don't have the root password either
07:02.10MorkBorkcons: its stable, the devs are purist and not really open to a lot of suggestions/changes, almost fundamentalist
07:02.23MorkBorkstable being a con as to not using the latest and greatest necessarily
07:02.31MorkBorktheres also some quirks with how it handles things
07:02.42tensorpuddingi think that's the right number of olds
07:02.44MorkBorkoverall, i hate it less than a lot of other distros :P
07:02.46simonrvnMorkBork: #debian-offtopic
07:02.56tensorpuddingpotato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny
07:03.05tensorpuddingand lenny is current stable
07:03.07MorkBorkhow is talking about pros and cons off topic?
07:03.07MorkBorklol
07:03.15MorkBorktheres not much more 'on topic'
07:03.25simonrvnit's support in here, that's more meta
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07:03.38exodus_msthanks MorkBork
07:03.39tensorpuddinggo to #meta-debian
07:03.56MorkBorkyea its real busy in here
07:04.15exodus_msI guess running potato on an dated dell is more debian support then :P
07:04.20simonrvni'm not going to argue with you
07:04.34simonrvnwaste of time to do that
07:04.37MorkBorkim not going to not argue with you
07:05.03MorkBorki just answered his question, so no problem anyway
07:05.04simonrvnproblem solved *plonk*
07:05.07MorkBork:P
07:05.11tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: don't go for potato, you can almost surely use something with a 2.4 kernel at least
07:05.19everythingdanielok
07:05.25tensorpuddingthere is a big difference between potato and woody
07:05.47tensorpuddingmaybe you can install sarge, that is the first one with a 2.6 kernel
07:06.11simonrvn2.6.8 IIRC
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07:06.25everythingdanielhmm
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07:06.55simonrvn!plonk
07:06.55tensorpuddingand lenny has 2.6.26, in four years not so much of a change
07:06.55dpkgrumour has it, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker."
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07:07.12everythingdanielI only have one more rw cd to use tonight,
07:07.15VkontakteA lot of free mp3 and video clips. Other pages in social networks "Vkontakte" www.vk.com/reg4286668 and invite your friends!
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07:07.19everythingdanielso I need to make this a good one
07:07.31simonrvndamned drive-by spammer
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07:08.00tensorpuddingwonder if there will ever be a 2.8
07:09.50simonrvneventually
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07:10.56tensorpuddingOr maybe something totally new will change everything!
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07:12.27n3lab_livehi2all
07:12.43n3lab_livecan anybody help me with debian live?
07:12.45everythingdanielwhere can I find the old stables?
07:13.31n3lab_livei can't change layout. i try to change locale but after reboot locale stil us_US and xorg stil old
07:13.40simonrvn!oldstable
07:13.40dpkg[oldstable] the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team.  Etch (4.0) is now oldstable.  Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>).  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable
07:13.53simonrvnn3lab_live: um, it's a live cd
07:14.00tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ has the really old stables
07:14.04n3lab_livebut in persistent mode
07:14.22everythingdanielthanks
07:14.26tensorpuddingthough the oldest they have there is sarge
07:15.01simonrvn!live cd
07:15.01dpkgAn operating system that can boot and run directly from CD.  Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu.  Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends.  Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>.  http://www.livecdlist.com/
07:15.13everythingdanielIll try 3.1 r8
07:15.16n3lab_liveand i use debian live
07:15.19simonrvn!debian live
07:15.19dpkgThe Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.  http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/  #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org).  Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>).
07:15.20everythingdanielerr, r0
07:15.29everythingdanielthen update if it works
07:15.29n3lab_liveso who knows? :)
07:16.18n3lab_livei found tip http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/l10n to chande locale
07:16.23n3lab_livebut in not helped
07:16.26everythingdanieland all they have in the cd directory is the net installs?
07:16.47everythingdanielhmm, would the servers that do the net installs still be active?
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07:17.30simonrvndid you log out after you changed the locale?
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07:17.51n3lab_liveyap. i reboot
07:18.01n3lab_livenot log out but reboot
07:18.07tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: there are things that aren't netinstalls there
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07:18.22everythingdanielhttp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/
07:18.24simonrvnum there's no point to that
07:18.34n3lab_live:(
07:18.39simonrvnof course you have to re-do it.
07:18.52simonrvnlog out should be fine
07:18.57tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: try a later revision
07:19.04n3lab_livei think that i must use live_helper and lh_build after change lh_config
07:19.17n3lab_livebut i am worry)
07:19.40everythingdanieldamm 3 cds
07:19.42tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: 3.1r8 is fine
07:19.47everythingdanielI see
07:19.52tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: you only need the first one for an install
07:19.58everythingdanielohh ok
07:20.07tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: the rest are just full of optional packages like KDE and stuff
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07:20.18everythingdanielahh ok
07:20.24simonrvnn3lab_live: that wiki page has all you need
07:22.58n3lab_livesimonrvn: but i allreadty tryed this tip
07:23.18n3lab_livei type sudo lh_config --bootappend-live "locale=en_GB.UTF-8"
07:23.31n3lab_livethan reboot but no changes comes
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07:24.23tensorpuddingeverythingdaniel: what are you going to use that ancient box for anyway?
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07:25.00everythingdanielhome server. Give it power and an ethernet cable and put it out of site
07:25.03everythingdaniel*sight
07:25.44tensorpuddingit's really not powerful enough to do much of anything
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07:25.56tensorpuddingexcept use electricity
07:27.59everythingdanielI know, I am thinking temporary storage (its larger than a flashdrive, good to transfer bigger files between computers), and a basic/local(possibly public) http server for a siblings playground who is getting into web work
07:28.10tensorpuddingwell
07:28.15nsadminyou could use it as a masqing gateway
07:28.16everythingdanielI dont trust my family on my two VPS(es)!
07:28.20tensorpuddingyou will run into bottlenecks if the hard drive is very slow
07:28.27tensorpuddingor if the ethernet is
07:29.03everythingdanielohh, speed is not the priority, I am fully aware it is slow. It'll be good to just have
07:29.13simonrvnn3lab_live: you don't need to reboot
07:29.14tensorpuddingif you want to do it for web dev, i'll have to be a lot more modern software-wise
07:29.43everythingdanielreally? for text docs?
07:29.50everythingdanielhtml/css
07:29.52n3lab_livesimonrvn: mm
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07:30.12tensorpuddingfor static content, it'd be okay
07:30.40n3lab_livesimonrvn: not helps too(
07:31.24everythingdanielyeah, thats what I thought. Itll be real basic
07:31.52n3lab_liveok. i try to rebuild :)
07:31.53everythingdanielI mean, if it can, or could, run Skype it cant be too bad
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07:32.55NiLonis there any nice software for detecting lag on interface and I don't mean now ping basically
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07:33.14NiLonwhat I need is more simplier output than ping (tho I could make wrapper for it)
07:34.06nsadminNiLon: but does ping output contain (more than but) at least what you need?
07:34.19NiLonnsadmin yes
07:34.34NiLonso I think that wrapper is easiest solution
07:34.39nsadminthen you just need to chop the output up or somethign
07:34.48NiLonrun ping and strip out everything else but what I need
07:35.08NiLontought if there was something nice already made :)
07:35.33nsadminthere is... it's called the userland of unix :)
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07:49.55omakasedoes this make any sense to anyone? am i missing something obvious? http://pastebin.com/m389e9914
07:51.07valdynomakase: how many files on /vol ?
07:51.56valdynomakase: what filesystem?
07:52.08omakasevaldyn: xfs
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07:55.12omakasevaldyn: maybe 80 files
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07:59.12kc8pxyanyone up at this time? I'm trying to setup my lenny box as a WAP, and it's been too long..  only WAP i configured so far was under gentoo.
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07:59.42kc8pxydoes anyone have a link to a good howto? google is failing me
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08:00.16dondelelcarokc8pxy: you just bring up the wireless interface in Master mode, with whatever configuration you want. Alternatively, use hostapd
08:01.11kc8pxydondelelcaro:  I'm prety sure I'll have to go the hostapd route, as i want WPA on the link
08:01.43dondelelcarokc8pxy: then you'll want to consult its documentation
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08:04.32nsadminkc8pxy: out of curiousity, why are you forced to go one way or another?
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08:11.31massmchi, what to type in shell to see what OS the computer is running
08:11.54AimHereuname -a would tell you all about the kernel
08:12.06massmcthank you
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08:16.06rjaymdoes anyone know exactly what instantiates the actual partition hda1, not just the special mknod file?
08:16.45nsadminthe mknod file has the major and minor numbers
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08:16.50joltcanrjaym: you creating the partition?
08:16.53nsadminthese talk to the block driver
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08:17.08rjaymthe partition is created
08:17.26rjaymalready, I know it's there
08:17.27ethanolto which package/collection does the application `dig` belong?
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08:17.37joltcanethanol: packages.debian.org!
08:18.00rjaymhm, block driver
08:18.13rjaymwhat module might that be named
08:18.13nsadminheez lazy... we make it clikable: http://packages.debian.org
08:18.17rjaym???.ko?
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08:18.42joltcanethanol: or apt-file
08:18.57nsadminfor a later debian system, the module for it will be loaded
08:19.02ethanolyeah not finding it on packages
08:19.10ethanolit's not a seperate package
08:19.17nsadminso you can look thru lsmod output
08:19.18ethanolso I gather it's in some net utils collections or whateevr
08:19.23ethanoljust don't know the name
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08:19.44rjaymnsadmin: may I know exactly what block driver you're referring to?
08:19.51joltcanethanol: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dig&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any
08:20.00nsadmindepends on your hardware
08:20.07kc8pxynsadmin:  what do you mean?
08:20.11ethanoljoltcan: did that, lots of crap, no dig
08:20.21ethanoloh wait
08:20.24joltcanethanol: /usr/bin/dig : dnsutils
08:20.44joltcanethanol: there are two searches, one for package names, and the one further down; for package content
08:20.44madelhi all, any help with that error "http://paste.ubuntu.com/310398/"
08:21.01ethanoljoltcan: yeah I tried name and description, my bad
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08:21.26joltcanmadel: is that from an ubuntu installation, or are you just using their pastbin?
08:21.52madeljoltcan: I'm just using their pastebin
08:21.53nsadminkc8pxy: out of curiousity, why are you forced to go one way or another, why hostapd instead of master mode?
08:22.00madeljoltcan: is it wrong?
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08:22.22joltcanmadel: sorry, I suck at backtraces
08:22.34dondelelcaronsadmin: if you want to use WPA, you need hostapd
08:22.51dondelelcaro(or something which provides similar functionality)
08:22.55tdnCan I have hardlinks inside a tar.gz?
08:23.46joltcantdn: I guess so, since you can use --hard-dereference to store the files they refer to
08:24.13joltcantdn: searching inside the man <command> is usually a good start
08:24.41dondelelcarotdn: yes
08:24.52tdnjoltcan, I have a folder containing lots of hard linked files. The folder is 7GB on disk, but if I measure with du -l (counting hard links) it is 35GB).
08:24.56dondelelcarotdn: though you could always test this kind of thing out yourself, you know.
08:25.11tdndondelelcaro, I do not have enough disk space to test it on this folder :/
08:25.39dondelelcarotdn: you don't have to do it on a 7G directory, you know...
08:26.04tdnjoltcan, I have tried reading the man page, but this text is really not clear to me: during archive creation, dereferences hard links and stores the files they refer to, instead of creating usual hard link members (type ’1’)
08:26.17dondelelcaromkdir test; cd test; touch foo; ln foo bar; cd ..; mkdir test2; tar -c test|tar -C test2 -x; ls -l test2/test;
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08:26.43tdnjoltcan, does that mean that I should NOT use this parameter to have it use less disk space?
08:27.01dondelelcarotdn: you don't want to use that paramter; that cases hardlinks to be dereferenced.
08:27.24tdndondelelcaro, ok. So standard behavior is that it understands hard links?
08:27.34dondelelcaroyes
08:27.39tdnAnd that if foo is a hard link to bar, it will only store it once.
08:27.42tdnOk. Thanks.
08:27.45wiredddmy mouse has recently stopped working in sdl games. it works for a while after I reload x, but then eventually stops
08:27.54tdnI think this text could be more clear though.
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08:29.25dondelelcarotdn: what about it?
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08:30.28dondelelcaro--hard-dereference is equivalent to --dereference, but instead of working on symlinks, works on hardlinks.
08:31.37tdndondelelcaro, ok. Maybe it is just my English that is not good enough.
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08:42.27caraconanHi. Someone have a squeeze system working with nfs + iptables combo? I followed http://wiki.debian.org/SecuringNFS without success...
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08:45.54nsadmincaraconan: most of them have the iptables and nfs modules
08:46.22nsadminI think this combo you are referring to is more specific than you're saying
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08:47.15caraconan<nsadmin> Well, I just mean someone has this two tools propperly configured
08:47.20caraconanI'm not able to...
08:47.50caraconanIf I rise the firewall, I'm unable to mount nfs resource. If I quit it, I can
08:48.38nsadminthen you're blocking the ports nfs uses
08:49.01mnuhmnuhtdn: your anglo is fine.  my anglo is all i've got.  i admire you guys.
08:49.16caraconanYes, but I'm sure the first thing I should achieve is to configure nfs on the server to listen to a static ports
08:49.21victoriahi
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08:49.26caraconanBut I'm not able at the moment...
08:49.53nsadminnot sure you can do that... nfs uses portmapper and rpc
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08:50.30victoriais there any tool to check buggy hard disks/controllers?
08:50.32nsadminmaybe you can tell portmapper to use a specific range of ports and poke holes in the fw for those
08:50.57nsadminvictoria: there's smart monitoring
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08:52.30caraconan<nsadmin> I followed http://wiki.debian.org/SecuringNFS
08:52.35caraconanBut without success...
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09:10.25acemicaraconan: in the firewall rules files, there are no rule for incoming packages
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09:10.51caraconan<acemi> Thanks a lot. Finally I left the nfs config, I s
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09:11.05caraconanI opt for sshfs approach to my LAN
09:11.06caraconanThanks
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09:13.03ronrhi, could someone point me to some docs to get me starting on setting this up: I got debian machine with 5 public IP addresses, this machine acts like a gateway (shorewall and http through squid), I want to forward all traffic (or filtered, doesn't really matter) to certain IPs to other machines in the lan (like ssh to public IP1 goes the 10.0.1.2, ssh to public IP2 goes to 10.0.1.3, etc.)
09:13.23derfermanso I would like to automate an action that requires root privileges, but the user running the script will not be root. Any help?
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09:18.59mesaGLderferman: one way is to precede the relevent commands with sudo, and add the user & commands to /etc/sudoers with visudo. this is assuming you have sudo installed. another method is to make the relevent commands suid, but this is not a good plan, really
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09:19.25derfermanwell, the user is already in the sudo file
09:19.42derfermanmesa: what do you mean put the commands in there as well?
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09:20.46mesaGLderferman: you should only have the commands actually needed, in both the script, and in /etc/sudoers. ALL is not a good plan
09:21.55derfermanok, thanks
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09:32.07sepgreetings. how does nv driver compare to nvidia nowadays.  I  dont play 3d games i dont use desktop effects but i do use 2 monitors.  worth running the nv driver ?
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09:34.31nsadminsep: when you tried it, did it serve your needs?
09:34.51mesaGLsep: nouveau is catching up, by all accounts, but is still a bit crappy. try phoronix website, who deal with all things video in linux
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09:36.26sepnsadmin, at the time i cant even rememeber when, i did not manage to get 2 monitors working
09:36.33sepyears ago
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09:38.11victoriain the topic it says: see <msg>
09:38.15victoriahow do I see msg?
09:38.44mesaGLthere are 3 contending drivers. nouveau, nv & nvidia. the last two are from nvidia themselves, but nv is open source. nouveau is another thing entirely, but apparently better than nv
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09:39.38mesaGLvictoria: type /msg dpkg STUFF
09:40.46mesaGLvictoria: is this about rred segfaulting when updating package lists ?
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09:41.55Agent-XCan anyone help with Debian 5.0.3 on a iBook G4? I have some basic questions
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09:42.31xhairballsep: If all you're looking for is a 2D dual head setup, then nv is plenty sufficient.  Use xrandr to configure it.  See here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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09:45.47sepxhairball, thanks a lot ill try
09:46.00Agent-Xpeterrooney: Thanks!
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09:49.43victoriamesaGL: no i issued /msg dpkg guidelines
09:50.06victoriamesaGL: and in point 6 it says: see <msg>
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09:55.37mesaGLvictoria: type /msg dpkg msg :)
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09:58.33victoriaI am using debian stable (lenny, 5.0.3) and I have vimdiff
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09:58.59victoriabut when I run it, it complains about vim not being compiled with diff
09:59.18victoriahow can I use vimdiff?
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10:03.40mesaGLvictoria: not sure, but there are loads of different vim packages available. apt-cache search vim
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10:05.00victoriawow, there are plenty of them. What is a transitional package? Should not I install it?
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10:08.02ronranyone knows how to debug shorewall's one-to-one nat on debian?
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10:11.21nsadmindebugging is a fairly dynamic process... it would depend on what symptoms you saw and what tools were available to show things you want to see as a result of observing those symptoms
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10:12.12nsadminin short... the most powerful debugging tool is your mind
10:12.28dgeary2nsadmin, does shorewall use iptables?
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10:18.48woozlyHi! I just want to tell you about new amazing social network! There over 60 billions of registered users, over 150,000,000 free mp3s! Over 100,000,000 free videos! You can try it, if you don't like it, just ignore it! http://vk.com/reg52154002 . Have a nice day!
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10:20.42nsadmin!ops woozly spam
10:20.42dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: woozly spam
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10:21.34woozlyno spam, just info
10:21.50Arrowmasterno, its spam
10:21.59Arrowmasterand its not welcome
10:22.03woozlyis not
10:22.07woozlyok sorry
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10:22.13nsadmindgeary2: dunno... it might
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10:23.18nsadminI don't see why it wouldn't, as it would be the most efficient way of going about it
10:23.27mesaGLyou're right tho. debian users need to get out more. but i'm not sure another net-based solution is the answer ...
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10:26.01ronrnsadmin: found the problem, I was forwarding to a machine that was using a different gateway
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10:29.40dgeary2ronr, i'm wondering if learning about iptables would help...
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10:43.34prohi guys, does anyone know a app/tool i can use to track traffic usage of the workstations that use the linux box as a gateway, and pref. by mac address ?
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10:45.08petemc_pro: i use ipac-ng
10:45.35petemc_but its old, i dont think its in the repos any more
10:45.39propetemc_, i'll have a look, i have been trying pmacct and its just too complicated
10:45.52petemc_ipac is kinda complicated too
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10:47.16proif i cant get any working im going to just write something with iptables
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10:47.41petemc_most things are just front ends for iptables anyway
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10:47.46petemc_ipac certainly is
10:47.58prook
10:48.15starkhey guys, im trying to install debian and i chose install debian on disk with seperate /home /usr etc with lvm and it complains that "unable to automatically remove LVM data"
10:48.20starkhow do i get rid of that
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10:57.32krionuxhi
10:57.40krionuxi've something for the maintainer of nagios3
10:57.57krionuxwho's not worth open in a bug for (in my point of view)
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10:59.36babilenkrionux: Write a mail to the maintainer. Or open a bug with a low priority (preferred)
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10:59.54Alysumhello - Im setting up a HA cluster with debian servers - I was wondering how much proxies should be used? I'm considering using up to 3 proxies between the load balancer and the web server itself, is that too much? load balancer: nginx -> haproxy --> sends to a node with nginx for static content otherwise proxy -> apache for dynamic data
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11:01.26krionuxbabilen: i will has soon as i find my id login back
11:01.54bloo_skywhen entering a job using 'at', once you've input the job how do you finish and get back to command line?
11:02.29petemc_it should return you automatically
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11:03.23bloo_skypetemc_: it just gives another line "at>"
11:03.31petemc_try ctl d
11:03.34garoThe command "dkpg-reconfigure tzdata" should be "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
11:03.34babilenkrionux: The rationale is, that this "something" is serious enough for you to come here and ask for the maintainer. The bug can easily be closed (bu yourself as well) if it s not at all important. But until then it is a good reminder and another point on the TODO list.
11:03.44petemc_bloo_sky: how did you enter the job?
11:03.48garowhere should i report this ?
11:03.57petemc_bloo_sky: i use echo "foo" | at 2am
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11:04.42babilengaro: I don't see the difference.
11:04.52petemc_dkpg vs dpkg
11:05.05petemc_minor typo
11:05.42bloo_skypetemc_: Ctrl+d was the solution. When you say 'echo "foo" | ..  do you mean echo "[my command]" | at ... or do you mean  [my command] | at ... ?
11:05.43mesaGLpetemc_: at 2am echo "foo", is better. the at command is incomplete otherwise
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11:06.21petemcbloo_sky: erm, i meant exactly what i typed
11:06.22mesaGLbloo_sky: you need xargs to put stuff on the command line btw. | just feeds to stdin
11:06.23krionuxbabilen: it's just that the nagios path home is incorrect in /etc/passwd
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11:06.34krionux/var/log/nagios instead of /var/log/nagios3
11:06.45petemcmesaGL: no its not
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11:07.04petemci use the invocation i described every day
11:07.13bloo_skypetemc:  and mesaGL:  I think the 'at' man page needs a little work, I think I might write to the maintainer.
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11:07.49mesaGLpetemc: ok then. my bad
11:07.50petemcbloo_sky: i meant echo "my command" | 2am , to clarify
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11:08.37bloo_skypetemc: Thank you. I don't use 'at' much, but I'll add that to my own bash reference.
11:08.51starkhey guys, im trying to install debian and i chose install debian on disk with seperate /home /usr etc with lvm and it complains that "unable to automatically remove LVM data"
11:08.52petemcof course i forgot to write 'at' there, so not very clear
11:08.54starkhow do i get rid of that
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11:10.02babilenkrionux: Then write a mail to the nagios maintainer group. I don't know if any of the maintainer are here and we can do very little about it.
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11:10.41bloo_skypetemc: I understood anyway... echo "/etc/init.d/samba restart" | at 6.30am     should do what I want.
11:10.42babilenkrionux: OTOH does this cause *any* problems?
11:10.49mesaGLpetemc: i jumped in prematurely there. you are quite right. at reads from stdin
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11:15.03S4nD3rhi there.
11:15.05S4nD3rA lot of applications do not works ( http://pastebin.com/d4ffe408d ) Any help?
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11:15.42xpo0fhi all
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11:17.07xpo0fim got problem with xorg.. related to freefontpath
11:17.37babilenS4nD3r: IIRC it is only update-manager that does not work. What are the other programs that misbehave. And could you please paste Your *input* too?
11:17.46mesaGLS4nD3r: have you got python-gtk2 installed ?
11:17.57xpo0fno
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11:18.30S4nD3rYes, but I think this is not working correctely mesaGL
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11:18.50S4nD3rbabilen, my output is in pastebin
11:18.51xpo0f"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2 should be 1
11:18.56S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d4ffe408d
11:19.15babilenmesaGL: That should be installed as dependency of update-manager-gnome
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11:20.05mesaGLbabilen: well yes, but you get all sorts of half-arsed nonsense in here :)
11:20.08babilenS4nD3r: I can not see the command you are running. What are the other programs that are not running?
11:20.09nsadminS4nD3r: what version of debian are you running? what did you do recently that could have caused your situation?
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11:21.21nsadminI suspect you tried to upgrade a lib
11:21.33nsadminbut I'm getting ahead of myself :)
11:21.45babilenmesaGL: Yes, that is true. (sadly)
11:21.58S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d6bfa2f59 Here they are
11:22.16nsadmindo you understand the questions I asked?
11:22.18S4nD3rI was trying to install openoffice.org
11:22.36nsadminwhat version of debian are you running?
11:22.44S4nD3rhow to see it?
11:22.59S4nD3rLSB Version:core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:desktop-3.1-ia32:desktop-3.1-noarch:desktop-3.2-ia32:desktop-3.2-noarch:graphics-2.0-ia32:graphics-2.0-noarch:graphics-3.0-ia32:graphics-3.0-noarch:graphics-3.1-ia32:graphics-3.1-noarch:graphics-3.2-ia32:graphics-3.2-noarch:multimedia-3.2-ia32:multimedia-3.2-noarch:qt4-3.1-ia32:qt4-3.1-noarch
11:23.13S4nD3rI dont know which version is it
11:23.18nsadminpastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:23.31nsadminalso cat /etc/debian_version
11:23.52S4nD3rcat /etc/debian_version lenny/sid
11:24.08nsadminit says lenny/sid?
11:24.14S4nD3ryes
11:24.20babileno_O
11:24.21nsadminso you havent' upgraded to the stable lenny yet
11:24.35nsadminpastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:25.05krionuxbabilen: indeed when using centreon (who's need a shell for nagios) the $HOME is incorrect (indeed you have to add the shell to the nagios user who doesn't have one by default but still
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11:25.40babilenkrionux: File bug. Just because the fix it easy (hooray for Zoidberg!) does not make it any less important.
11:26.03S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d307dbbfa
11:26.29S4nD3rIve tried to upgrade, in the past, but I didnt get it
11:26.36twiggzchange everything from sid to lenny
11:26.55babilentwiggz: That will not work.
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11:27.09S4nD3r?? twiggz
11:27.23twiggzwhy not?
11:27.47S4nD3rfirst I need to solve the problem of python-gtk/python-gnome2, i guess
11:27.50twiggzI can change everything in my apt sources from squeeze to lenny and apt-get dist-upgrade and it will damn work.
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11:28.09twiggzi dont see why it wouldnt work from sid to lenny
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11:28.46nsadminthat would be a downgrade... but in this case he hadn't gotten to stable lenny, so there's a lot of gray area here
11:29.01babilentwiggz: What does "damn work" ? I assumed you meant any kind of downgrade...
11:29.26nsadmindowngrades are not supported in debian and (due to an early debian decision) never will be.
11:29.31S4nD3rMy problem is possible to solve?
11:29.41nsadminmaybe
11:29.42S4nD3rI will need to format?
11:29.47nsadminmaybe not
11:29.48proor stop trying to play GL games written in python :D
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11:30.15twiggzalso, i thought this channel wasnt big on people using unstable
11:30.21nsadminwhat you have to do first is get off of sid entirely
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11:30.31protwiggz, that would be #windows
11:30.45mesaGLtwiggz: a lot of unstable people here. i know i am :)
11:30.58S4nD3rumm
11:31.07twiggzi ran unstable and asked a question in here and got flamed for it
11:31.11twiggzprofusely
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11:31.12prooh wait, never mind, i read it as people on this # were big on using unstable
11:31.19twiggzi just stick to testing now
11:31.26nsadmintwiggz: that's moreorless true... not big on people running it who aren't familiar with problem solving
11:31.53twiggzgo from sid to squeeze would that be easier?
11:31.59harknsadmin: do you have a link for that debian decision by any chance?
11:32.06S4nD3rI will download a netins image
11:32.17S4nD3rformat, and install, its looks the best choice
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11:32.38twiggzyoure not big on problem solving are you
11:32.42S4nD3rspecialist from here didnt get to solve
11:32.44S4nD3rthen
11:33.05nsadminhark: no sure don't. but think about what would be required for (say) postgres downgrading
11:33.52nsadminS4nD3r: now I'm not so sure what your situation is, too many possibilities
11:34.06S4nD3rummm
11:34.09S4nD3rreally?
11:34.24nsadminit says you're at
11:34.31nsadmin"lenny/sid"
11:34.40nsadminall your sources indicate you're at sid
11:34.42twiggzi see no lenny sources
11:34.44harknsadmin: yeah, there's the technical reason, just wondering if there was a discussion or something to not support it
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11:35.30harknsadmin: you're still on that postgres or did you update?
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11:35.44trashhi, I want to do some actions on the files of a cdrom when it's inserted, automatically. So, I need some automount feature and some event system that triggers a command when mounted. How can I achieve that?
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11:35.52twiggzchange sid to squeeze and apt-get dist-upgrade and F IT just keep hitting enter! if youre prepared to format the drive anyway....
11:35.57nsadminI upgraded my remote to pg-8.3
11:36.35nsadminI still need to keep 7.4 around because I have more apps with data to migrate
11:36.51harkright
11:37.10nsadminso my local needs to stay on etch for awhile longer
11:37.13S4nD3rwhat to do?
11:37.58S4nD3rI tried upgrade
11:37.58nsadminunless there's a 7.4 in lenny
11:38.03twiggzhow did you try upgrade?
11:38.06S4nD3rnothing happens
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11:38.11S4nD3rapt-get upgrade
11:38.13S4nD3ronly!
11:38.17nsadminS4nD3r: apt-get install apt aptitude
11:38.24twiggzyou need to apt-get update first....
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11:38.35S4nD3rsure
11:38.43nsadminhe's right
11:38.46S4nD3rapt-ge update && apt-get upgrade
11:38.51nsadminno
11:39.04jetscreamerapt-get install apt?
11:39.04nsadminapt-get update
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11:39.15nsadminthen apt-get install apt aptitude
11:39.34jetscreamerthat makes sense
11:39.57S4nD3rright
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11:39.59nsadminnot sure that'll do anything, but it's good to try
11:40.02S4nD3rWas done
11:40.12S4nD3r0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
11:40.17nsadminand, did it upgrade either of those?
11:40.27twiggzdid you even edit your sources.list?
11:40.43S4nD3rjetscreamer, you have any solution to may problem
11:40.44nsadminwell it's looking like he doesn't have a mixture
11:40.53S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d307dbbfa
11:41.30nsadminI'm backing off on my recomendation to try to go back to lenny
11:41.35twiggzno he doesnt, but if he edits everything that says sid to squeeze , and then apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude apt .....something should happen
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11:41.43nsadminhe's better going forward
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11:42.03nsadminwhich just means he'll have a newer sid
11:42.16jetscreamernothing will happen, if he has current sid
11:42.19twiggzyeah, S4nD3r that sources.list still just says sid
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11:42.26twiggzyou didnt edit anything in there
11:42.27S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d51af31b5
11:42.31S4nD3rlook it
11:42.50nsadminjetscreamer: yes you're right
11:43.00twiggzwho said anything about gnochm?
11:43.01Crusty84Hi, does anybody know how to fully re-install Apache? Apperently some configuration files have been deleted, and I wanted to get them back using apt-get, but the error still occurs
11:43.11twiggzwhatdoes that have to do with you upgrading ?
11:43.14jetscreamer!confmiss
11:43.14dpkgthe reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
11:43.24nsadminjetscreamer: any reason why it would say "lenny/sid" in debian_version?
11:43.56jetscreamerbecause he hasn't done a dist-upgrade ?
11:44.01twiggzYES!
11:44.06S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d3d9cfbb3
11:44.09S4nD3rlook it
11:44.26twiggz....
11:44.31twiggzhopeless
11:45.08twiggzyoure sitting there worried about that dumbass game and asking us how to fix it...and not listening to a thing we say.
11:45.11twiggzim done
11:45.44jetscreamerso how did you get on sid?
11:45.47nsadminand now you see why some folks are not big on running sid :)
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11:46.24nsadminI just don't see any other choice than to upgrade his current sid if theres anything to upgrade
11:46.30S4nD3rI dont remember
11:46.35twiggzoh, i knew why. but i was able to solve my own problems after a bit of reading...even after getting flamed profusely in here for a question i asked
11:46.45S4nD3rbut, certainly followed a tutorial from internet
11:46.48jetscreamerwhat sid is it. if you haven't updated, try going to stable imo
11:47.00jetscreamerif it's old, it should.
11:47.05twiggzhe wont listen
11:47.15S4nD3rHow to do it?
11:47.20twiggzi tried telling him to change sid to lenny in his sources.list....and still
11:47.26jetscreamerchange the word sid to stable
11:47.26twiggzhes pasting the one with sid in it
11:47.30twiggzhes not listening
11:47.40nsadminhe's got sid aptitude tho
11:47.56jetscreameredit /etc/apt/sources.list ... current version?
11:48.01S4nD3rtwiggz, told to replace all sid word in source.list to lenny and run upgrade process
11:48.24twiggzand you didnt do it... nothing youve pastebined has shown that you done anything we said
11:48.25nsadminI'd replace sid with lenny (not "stable")
11:48.33twiggzme too, nsadmin
11:48.54nsadminthen he won't be surprised when squeeze is released
11:49.09jetscreameryeh okie lenny
11:49.14harkwhat's his libc6 version?
11:49.30nsadmin"you're now running debian 6 and you didn't know you were gonna be!"
11:49.42nsadmingood question
11:49.52nsadmin!versions
11:49.59nsadmin!version
11:49.59dpkgKernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version.  Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
11:49.59jetscreamerno s
11:50.13nsadmin-inckie(i=inckie1@80.161.191.75)- AmpArga 2.6 - http://amparga.laguuni.com
11:50.18nsadminwhat's that?
11:50.22S4nD3r<PROTECTED>
11:50.35harkthat
11:50.39jetscreamergeneric?
11:50.53harkis an ubuntu kernel
11:50.53twiggzthats an ubuntu kernel from the looks of it
11:50.56jetscreameryep
11:51.01nsadminS4nD3r dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
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11:51.23S4nD3roh sheet
11:51.31S4nD3ri have ubuntu mixedup debian
11:51.44S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d69aeb800
11:52.19jetscreamer!reinstall
11:52.19dpkgreinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install .  See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
11:52.35jetscreamer<PROTECTED>
11:52.35dpkgYou are person #2 to send an unparseable request, jetscreamer
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11:53.07jetscreamerin the middle, install a fresh debian
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11:53.31harkS4nD3r: best to reinstall
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11:54.04twiggzeasier to reinstall
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11:54.35twiggzeasier on us too
11:54.36leOnhello
11:54.47jetscreameri played with mixing ub/deb once
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11:54.52nsadminyou might have a mixture... but your sources show debian only deb lines
11:54.54jetscreamerblegh
11:55.19WormFoodhow did that work out jetscreamer?
11:55.19jetscreamerthat's why it's not finding ubuntulooks
11:55.22leOnanyone knows if there are any issues with lenny install and amd opteron machines?...
11:55.42jetscreamerit went ok till i tried to change locales
11:56.06S4nD3rhttp://pastebin.com/d2e37e68b I tried reinstall
11:56.09nsadminoh looky that... he has a ubuntu libc6
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11:56.21leOni'm trying to do an install in a proliant dl580 quad opteron machine and i'm getting kernel panic not long after it starts decompressing the install initrd ...
11:56.54leOnmedia is fine .. and the server is fine too
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11:57.49jetscreamerS4nD3r: after the --get-selections, you save the file on a usb stick, wipe your drive (after backup) and install a fresh one... then you do --set-selections
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11:58.06jetscreamerafter backing up whatever you need to rather
11:58.13nsadminS4nD3r pastebin output of mount
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11:59.39xpo0f:)
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12:00.20Imran-UKis there a good guide on package pinning? i'm running stable, bugzilla 2.2 does not work with perl5.10 but v3.0 is in squeeze
12:00.40xpo0fexit
12:00.50Imran-UKi want to upgrade in a nice way to 3.0 but only bugzilla, and in a way that doesnt break bugzilla
12:00.56S4nD3rmount result http://pastebin.com/d70b5a037
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12:02.17HyperzidHi. How can I test if the write delay have improved when turning on noop io scheduling against a san disk? wont work to to just cat /dev/urandome > somefile.txt .. because I suspect it becomes the same troughput.
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12:03.26WormFoodanyone have a clue as to why iceweasel isn't playing sound? I just went to a page that plays music (I hate that shit), and after a while it played it super fast, and then hung in a loop, playing the same note over and over, and then stopped.
12:04.11nsadminok, so you have a separate /home partition; that's good
12:04.14WormFoodI have a flash chat app (I hate that shit too), and it would make a sound every time someone says something....now it is silent, and it worked fine before.
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12:04.37liableWormFood: kill the weasel and restart it, youtube does that to me all the time
12:04.54nsadminSAVE THE WEASELS!
12:04.59rerushg_WormFood: have you got pulseaudio installed?
12:05.04jetscreamerdeath to firefox and it's clones
12:05.11rerushg_naaaaa..... kill the weasels!
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12:05.56babilenS4nD3r: Why do you want to run sid?
12:06.18S4nD3ri just want to use
12:06.20S4nD3rany
12:06.42nsadminhow did he get to running part of debian sid when probably before he was running ubuntu :)
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12:07.18nsadminso his /dev/sda6 is his /home
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12:07.28WormFoodyeah rerushg_
12:07.43WormFoodliable, but it never worked since the last update
12:07.50S4nD3rfor me ubuntu, debian, or other
12:07.53S4nD3rtheres no problem
12:07.57WormFoodI'm updating again, there seems to be an update to pulseaudio
12:07.58S4nD3ri just want to run
12:08.00S4nD3rlol
12:08.04WormFoodand I'm running sid, for what its worth
12:08.04babilen!lol
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12:08.36nsadmin!version
12:08.36dpkgKernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version.  Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
12:08.58rerushg_pulse seems to create more problems than it helps....... I just use Alsa
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12:09.21WormFoodS4nD3r, "sid" is also known as "unstable" or as I like to call it "unusable".....if you're not into fixing your shit every time you update/upgrade, then don't run sid
12:09.35WormFoodI had pulseaudio working fine
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12:09.40WormFoodin the past...a few days ago
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12:09.56S4nD3rok then
12:09.57WormFoodI gotta say, getting pulseaudio to work reliably is a god damn pain in the ass!
12:10.05S4nD3rI need to get rid of
12:10.08nevynhere here
12:10.12EduardeCalibalI have 2.6.31-14-386 here, is a sid version?
12:10.14nevynsame goes for network manager.
12:10.23WormFoodI never use network manager
12:10.27rerushg_WormFood: roger that!
12:10.34WormFoodsomething jammed that shit on my system....I removed it
12:10.38nsadminwhere? where?
12:11.04WormFoodI've been running Linux for 15 years...I don't need no windows-like apps to manage my networks
12:11.04legs132huh
12:11.05nevynit has some win on a laptop
12:11.22nevynwith wireless networks and wpa and junk
12:11.23S4nD3rplease, look it  http://pastebin.com/d515c0d7a
12:11.35nevynor with 3g modem type thingies
12:11.47EduardeCalibalWormFood, know a good software to edit a full masterized DVD and make another change audio/subtitles?
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12:12.02EduardeCalibaland change...
12:12.27WormFoodI sure don't EduardeCalibal
12:12.34EduardeCalibalThanks.
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12:12.54babilenS4nD3r: I would suggest a clean reinstall.
12:13.01nsadminS4nD3r: your system is mixed between deb and ubuntu... I have no idea how to fix that... you're likely looking at a reinstall (don't format /dev/sda6)
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12:13.05WhiteCrowhi guy's i want to install VGA , (my VGA nvidia ) how can i do ?
12:13.33EduardeCalibalWhiteCrow, already pickup the NVIDIA software?
12:14.12EduardeCalibalFrom www.nvidia.com
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12:14.35WhiteCrowEduardeCalibal: how to install it
12:14.49WormFoodEduardeCalibal, did you look at "vamps - Tool to recompress and modify the structure of a DVD"?
12:14.51EduardeCalibalIs self explanatory...
12:15.39EduardeCalibalI dont need recompress.   Only pickup a DVD without some audio and subtitles, add this audio and subtitles and after burn again.
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12:16.01WhiteCrowEduardeCalibal: my i can to install nvidia-glx
12:16.08petemcWhiteCrow: its generally a bad idea to use the installer from nvidia.com , /msg dpkg nvidia
12:16.37EduardeCalibalWhiteCrow, I use from manufacturer, but the package work some times...
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12:18.22steven43126is there a seimple way of launcing a script based on file system activity say file creation ?
12:18.36WhiteCrowi want to know how to install it plz help me (i cant speak EN very will but i understand a little)
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12:19.01krionuxsteven43126: have a look at fam (if it's not deprecated)
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12:20.03steven43126i remember a linux format magzine articale about this some time ago but can't remember what used i seem to remember it been something easily scriptable
12:20.12jetscreamergamin
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12:21.28steven43126gamin require taling to the api to set things up
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12:21.51steven43126i rember this was a sort of cron emulation, but fired on file events...
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12:22.29petemcsteven43126: perhaps inotify
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12:23.46themillsteven43126: inotifywatch and inotifywait or incron
12:24.11steven43126incron that will be it!
12:24.14steven43126cheers
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12:38.05xlotlufor some reason my usb mouse doesn't hotplug. udevadm monitor shows everything working as expected, but it's nowhere to be found in hal-device... any ideas?
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12:43.32harkxlotlu: what does dmesg say?
12:45.56xlotluhark: the usual stuff: http://dpaste.com/116612/
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12:47.13icerooti am using dhcpd and i want to look at all questions from clients for a ip but i cant find these infos. where are they?
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12:48.17icerootor better, how to see everything the dhcpd is doing in my network
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12:48.33xlotluiceroot: the saved leases are somewhere around /var/lib/dhcp?/dhcp-something-server.leases
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12:49.11icerootxlotlu: thx
12:49.18xlotluiceroot: if you want to monitor what's happening in real time, get dhcpdump. it's a human-readable interface to tcpdump :)
12:49.46harkxlotlu: that's fine. pastebin your Xorg.0.log or at least the last relevant lines
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12:50.34harkxlotlu: which version of debian are you running?
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12:51.34xlotluhark: xorg is fine. the problem lies somewhere around hal. and testing with some unstable
12:52.50harkok
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12:58.12optgeekGood morning. I have some questions about .deb packages building, could someone give me a hand?
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12:58.54Titan8990_optgeek, have you already looked at the maint guide?
12:59.22xlotluwell udev does its job, and i have a /sys/class/input/input15 ... i wonder if there might be a regexp somewhere between udev and hal that matches [0-9]$ instead of [0-9]+$
12:59.30optgeekTitan8990_: Yep, but what I want to know is very specific, so I weren't able to find it there.
12:59.53Titan8990_optgeek, well, the official channel for that is #debian-mentors on oftc
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13:01.24optgeekTitan8990_: I tought someone more experienced with packaging could help me with this... Maybe It's not a big deal and I'm just taking the wrong turn somewhere.
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13:01.53Titan8990_optgeek, umm, thats exactly what the #debian-mentors channel is there
13:02.00Titan8990_for
13:02.18optgeekTitan8990_: I see. I'll try there then. Thanks.
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13:08.25optgeekTitan8990_: Sorry by bothering again - where can I find #debian-mentors?
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13:10.11optgeekNevermind, just found it.
13:11.36xlotluhark: one interesting thing is i didn't get devices created in /dev/input .. i mknod-ed them manually and they get the mouse movement, AND the device appeared in hal, but nothing in X
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13:13.45Ergo^hello, im having problems with pure-ftpd it seems to silently die when i try to start the daemon, i dont see any logs nowhere and im not sure how to trubleshoot it without logs
13:13.53xlotluprobably because it doesn't have an input.x11_driver property
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13:17.12optgeekTitan8990_: I just readed the channel description, and I don't think they'll be able to help me. What I need is to build a package that must provide some other packages (it's for offline installation), also, I don't intend to submit it to the Debian archive, as it's a very specific package.
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13:17.51NeosixHello! I have one question. How can I prevent konqueror to open images. I want to use external app, but I don't want to click "open with" every time...
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13:21.22harkxlotlu: that's why i wanted to check the xorg log. do you have an xorg.conf? what's your version of xserver-xorg-input-evdev? also check if you have usbhid loaded
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13:24.53Ergo^how do i force recreaction of /etc/someapp entries from commandline ?
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13:26.13babilen_optgeek: The mentors channel is probably still the correct one AFAIK
13:26.29harkErgo^: /msg dpkg confmiss
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13:27.25sikoriedhi-- i have a rather awkward problem: while fiddling around with ia32-linux libs (on a 64bit) machine, i managed to delete *all* content of /usr/lib (i.e. the 64bit libs in use). is there any clever idea how to restore the libs in /usr/lib?
13:27.58harkafk
13:28.05sikoried(a complete reinstall is an option, but as there is a lot of stuff running on it, i'd dather not do that)
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13:29.05harkxlotlu: that's why i wanted to check the xorg log. do you have an xorg.conf? what's your version of xserver-xorg-input-evdev? also check if you have usbhid loaded
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13:29.43frostschutzsikoried: debootstrap in a chroot, install your host systems package list, and move the lib dir over to the main system? basically make a complete reinstall but then only fetch the libs from it.
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13:30.19optgeekbabilen: Thanks, but I guess I found a solution for my problem. I'll make a bash script to install the packages instead of mergin all of them in a single package (what I guess it's not possible anyway). Thanks, I'll be leaving now. Gotta get this thing working before lunch.
13:30.23babilensikoried: Do you have backups? What is the state of the system?
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13:31.11sikoriedbabilen: right now, i have one remaining ssh (root) shell open; i have a package list, all sensitive data on non-root partition
13:31.34sikoriedbabilen: dpkg starts up, seems only to require /lib libraries
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13:31.50Titan8990_optgeek, have you thought about making one depend on the other?
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13:32.43babilensikoried: I don't know if that will work, but you can try to reinstall "dpkg --get-selections"
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13:33.00yucatan1hello i have a bind9 dns server running i wanne fix that if i ping mydomein.lan that it redirect to a server in my internal network
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13:33.10yucatan1how should i fix that somebody any advice for me ?
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13:33.35sikoriedbabilen: thanks, i'll try that. apt-get is not starting up though, i'll have to go through dpkg -i
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13:34.15yucatan1somebody ?
13:34.18babilensikoried: I guess aptitude does not work as well, right?
13:34.26sikoriednope
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13:34.34Titan8990_yucatan1, uhh, although that sounds like a terrible idea, you could intentionally set a bad static arp entry
13:34.39sikoriedcan't i just iterate the package list on dpkg -i?
13:35.06Titan8990_yucatan1, you realize an interface won't accept traffic for an IP address that is not its own unless its in promiscuous mode?
13:35.13babilensikoried: Ok. The problem with that approach is that you will lose the information on what was installed automatically.
13:35.42sikoriedi could live with that. but shouldnt that all be in the aptitude database anyways?
13:35.51jetscreamer!reinstall
13:35.51dpkgrumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install .  See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
13:35.53yucatan1titan8990 what u do u wanne say with that
13:36.08Titan8990_yucatan1, I have have misread the question actually
13:36.10yucatan1the machine where i'm runing bind9 on is a debian router
13:36.16yucatan1ahh okee:P
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13:36.28yucatan1i was already thinking huh why i dont understand:P
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13:37.06Titan8990_yucatan1, I am not very familiar with bind
13:37.19Ergo^did anyone encounter problems with pure-ftpd on lenny ?
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13:37.56Titan8990_!bts
13:37.57dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber .  aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too.  Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS.  Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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13:40.32andylwhat package contains the "service" script that is used to start and stop services
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13:41.34jetscreamerthe what?
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13:41.44jetscreamer!apt-file
13:41.44dpkgi heard apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file).  You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
13:42.37jetscreamerlike update.rc or whatever it is?
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13:43.46jetscreamer!update-rc.d
13:43.47dpkgfrom memory, update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services.  Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process.  This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead.
13:43.52babilensikoried: If I were you I would do a complete new install. And make backups. (I suggest rsnapshot)
13:44.15jetscreamerrcconf then
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13:44.43andylin ubnut there was a program called service that can be used to start and stop services
13:45.03andyli figured that it wouldbe contained in debian as well
13:45.03d1b!ubuntu
13:45.03dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
13:45.23d1bandyl: there is upstart on ubuntu, there is sysv-rc-conf ...
13:45.25sikoriedbabilen: i try to get aptitude running by finding the required libs
13:45.27d1bor a gui thing.
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13:45.57jetscreamer!rcconf
13:45.58dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services>
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13:46.18d1bjetscreamer: sys-rc-conf is prettier :)
13:46.23d1berh sysv-rc-conf *
13:46.29jetscreamerok
13:46.33jetscreameruse that then
13:46.33andylok i found it. it was in chkconfig package
13:46.43ranixandyl: in Debian (and most of the free-thinking world) "services" are called "daemons" and you can start and stop them in Debian via the /etc/init.d/ scripts
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13:47.14ranixandyl: i.e. /etc/init.d/proftpd restart/stop/start would restart, stop, or start proftpd
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13:47.50andylyeah i know its just that some scripts that were created in ubunut depended on it
13:48.04Ergo^any idea why pure-ftpd doesnt run at all ? logs are empty, there are no messages at all when i start the service, yet nothing happens
13:48.16ranixif you are using debian now, try to forget everything you learned in ubuntu
13:48.22ranixgenerally speaking, they do *everything* wrong
13:48.33andylranix:ok
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13:48.44Ergo^apart having nice distro for desktop users :P
13:49.02babilensikoried: A reinstall would probably be faster, but if aptitude run "aptitude reinstall ~i\!~M" will do the trick...
13:49.05andylranix:whats a good site of all things debian so i can better lean the system and hear fromothers who experience with it
13:49.13babilenThe factoid is incorrect IMHO
13:49.17ranixandyl: this factoid is the best way to learn
13:49.20ranix!grounding
13:49.20dpkgBefore asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference.  Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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13:49.35ranix!tell andyl about reference
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13:50.03andylthanks
13:50.11jetscreamer!msg
13:50.12dpkg(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first.  Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received.  (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff.  They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'.  (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
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13:50.38ranixnp, as if you have any questions. Once you get the hang of using the bots and the manpages, it'll come naturally
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13:51.47ranixask rather
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13:53.41Hyperziddmsetup ls<-- Lists several hardisk devices.. how to I find out which psysical hardrive a device is mapped to?
13:53.51Hyperziddo*
13:54.02pexiowhat is the difference between installing a package ending on "2.6-686" and "2.6.26-2-686"
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13:54.49Hyperzidpexio: "2.6-686" automaticly makes apt-get upgrade to the latest version..
13:55.03Hyperzidwhen you do apt-get upgrade
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13:56.27pexioHyperzid: ahh thanks
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14:02.31jetscreamer!metapackage
14:02.31dpkgit has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience.  It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line.  The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
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14:03.28jetscreamer2.6-686 is also an example
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14:07.40babilensikoried: Disregard the aptitude line a gave you. aptitude reinstall ~i does preserve information about automatically installed packages.
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14:08.41sikoriedbabilen: thanks; i almost got it working i think... i did some for i in /var/cache/apt/archive/lib*.deb; do dpkg -i $i; that already gave me a lot libs back :)
14:09.45mastroi've connected via VPN (PPTP) to my company network and connected with SSH to some internal server.. it periodically happen that I loose the connection and when I try to re-connect I get an error that warn me of a man in the middle possible attact because the RSA key changed and I request strict checking..... what's going on here?
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14:11.04Titan8990_mastro, ... the computer your connecting to has a different RSA key then it did the first time
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14:11.44mastroTitan8990, and could that change once every 30 minutes?
14:11.52mastroor something like that
14:11.54Titan8990_mastro, it should never change
14:12.22Titan8990_mastro, all it does is match the RSA key that its sending to the one you have stored in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
14:12.39mastroTitan8990, well.. it DOES change.. and I don't think there is a man in the middle.. how is the RSA key computed?
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14:12.54mastroTitan8990, i'm deleting the key in the know_hosts every times to connect again
14:13.13Titan8990_mastro, often its generated the first time that sshd starts and then needs to be manually generated any time it needs to change
14:13.38mastroTitan8990, may be the VPN protocol is doing something nasty about it?
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14:14.38sikoriedbabilen: when i call aptitude reinstall ~i, it terminates with the error : E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
14:14.46sikoriedbut what is a manual fix?
14:14.50Titan8990_mastro, i doubt it, I use ssh over a PPTP vpn daily
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14:16.06NiLonis there easy way to see what packages would get upgraded if I enable testing
14:16.10mastroTitan8990, I don't think a MITM (Man In The Middle) is keep changing the RSA key from this morning every 30 minutes.. and It's the first time i had to connect throw VPN
14:16.13Titan8990_mastro, you can suppress the warning but its not recommended
14:16.18abrotmanNiLon: if oyu're on stable, pretty much all of them
14:17.07mastroTitan8990, is there a way to "debug" this issue?
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14:17.38Titan8990_mastro, check the rsa key on the server, disconnect, reconnect, see if it actually has changed
14:17.46babilensikoried: The kernel is the one from etch. Are you running etch? Do you have etch in your sources list?
14:17.53Titan8990_mastro, you can turn on verbose output for ssh: ssh -v user@host
14:18.06Titan8990_mastro, but I am interested in what the cause is
14:18.15abrotmansikoried: aptitude install linux-image-amd64
14:18.40Titan8990_mastro, the rsa key is typically stored: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
14:19.19mastroTitan8990, i'm reading this can change if the DNS server or the IP change.... and i don't know what my company do inside it's network
14:19.43mastroTitan8990, anyway that's a virtual machine i personally created (debian 5.0) that should have a static IP address
14:21.32sikoriedbabilen: nope, running lenny. so maybe that etch package sneaked in somehow
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14:21.42Titan8990_mastro, well, its IP on the packet header could change to the VPN address
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14:22.00babilensikoried: Then remove it and make sure you have linux-image-amd64 installed.
14:22.07abrotmansikoried: aptitude install linux-image-amd64
14:22.11babilensikoried: Have you upgraded from etch?
14:22.41sikoriedthat may be (i didnt set up the machine originally)
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14:23.17mastroTitan8990, not sure of what you mean: "change to the VPN address"?
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14:24.26macrobathow can i see the installed reverse dependencies of a pkg? apt-cache rdepends list uninstalled ones too
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14:28.34streuner!info apt-rdepends
14:29.16dpkgapt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
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14:33.31macrobathaha, that one is recursive, not reverse :)
14:34.23macrobatmaybe i can simulate aptitude remove pkg instead
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14:37.04superlinuxhi. can i use or is there a way in  the xhost method to run vlc or mplayer and let it read the video file from the $DSIPLAY mechine which is the near mechine i.e. not remote?
14:37.38jetscreameryou can simulate it with apt-get, i guess you can with aptitude also
14:38.00ewethi, I installed songbird from getdeb (it still better than the blob!) but because it's meant for ubuntu it had a firefox dependency. I forced dpkg to install. Now: how do I tell dpkg to ignore this dependency?
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14:38.20superlinuxjetscreamer, are you talking to me?
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14:38.49jetscreameruh, no
14:38.54superlinuxok
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14:38.58caraconanHi. http://pastebin.com/m5823fdbd => Fails
14:39.18caraconanIf I use > instead >> works, but I wish to append the log. Some help?
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14:40.28superlinuxbtw i could upload the file to the remote box. however, i want it to read the file directly from the local box
14:40.53abrotmancaraconan: do you really want to redirect 1>> ?
14:41.20caraconan1 = stdout, isn't it?
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14:41.26eweterrm.. How can I make dpkg dump this broken depency so it's not in the way anymore. force just help to install but I'd like to use apt-get as normal..
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14:42.15caraconan<abrotman> Solved. Thanks
14:42.54abrotmanewet: getdeb is not for Debian
14:43.23abrotmanewet: you should probably go to #getdeb and ask them to change the name of their project, tell people that crap isn't for Debian, and get them to fix it
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14:44.44jetscreamermake a symlink to iceweasel, call it firefox
14:45.07abrotmanjetscreamer: you're not helping
14:45.11jetscreameroh.. nvm
14:45.38jetscreamerjust --remove --purge songbird
14:46.00ewetabrotman: if you don't want to answer - just don't. there are very few ways to properly install songbird and the blob is not one of them. getdeb has the only one I found -- only the firefox dependency needs manual work...
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14:46.23abrotmanewet: okay .. then don't ask for help .. you knew the package wasn't for Debian .. enjoy the pieces
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14:46.40jetscreamerbuild it
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14:46.48jetscreamerah well you ran him off
14:46.58jetscreameryou meanie!
14:47.14abrotmani wish they'd change the name of that project and make it *very clear* those packages are only meant for Ubuntu
14:47.18jetscreamerbtw don't you sleep?
14:47.45abrotmanisn't it time for your mid-morning nap? :)
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14:49.23abrotman!getdeb
14:49.24dpkgGetDeb is a community project for third party packages for Ubuntu. http://www.getdeb.net/  These packages are NOT intended for Debian, and may break your system.  Do NOT use them.  If they do break your system, tough luck, you were warned.
14:49.51superlinuxhi. can i use or is there a way in  the xhost method to run vlc or mplayer and let it read the video file from the $DSIPLAY mechine which is the near mechine i.e. not remote?
14:49.58jetscreamerthat would be 'aren't you sleepy after 26 hours?'
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14:50.21jetscreamerit won't be a nap, i'll finally be going to sleep
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14:51.32jetscreamersuperlinux: i believe yes, but ask also in #mplayer
14:51.33superlinuxI am stuffed! i had vine leaves wraps and stakes and ziccini
14:51.37jetscreamerand #vlc if there is one
14:51.49jetscreamersteaks?
14:52.00superlinuxjetscreamer, it's not about vlc or mplayer
14:52.01jetscreameror did you really mean wooden poles
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14:52.12superlinuxit's about xhost
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14:52.38jetscreamerthey still might know/have done it
14:52.49superlinuxjetscreamer, beef stakes
14:52.53jetscreamersteaks
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14:53.05superlinuxyes!
14:53.18superlinuxok
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14:54.12superlinuxjetscreamer, i am not saying totally no. but could be done with openoffice and the text files you own
14:54.54tech13anyone happen to know an easy way to check a folder for files with case-insensitive matching names?
14:55.04jetscreamer!folder
14:55.04dpkgfolder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
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14:55.29Burnhello, I just got my new Dell R510 server, but the NetXtreme ii  ethernet ports won't work
14:55.49BurnI installed the drivers with dpkg -i firmware-bnx2...
14:55.58Burninitrd has been rebuild
14:56.01tech13fine.  anyone happen to know an easy way to check a (use noun that makes you happy do identify a collection of identifies and aliases for data stores) for (labeled data stores) with case-insensitive matching names?
14:56.35BurnI don't know what next steps I can take
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15:04.22abrotmanBurn: did you install the firmware-linux package?
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15:04.39rumpsyHey guys :DD
15:04.43rumpsy!hi
15:04.43dpkghello, rumpsy
15:04.49Burnabrotman: why should I? I only need the firmware-bnx2 package
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15:04.52abrotmanrumpsy: knock it off
15:05.03abrotmanBurn: okay, i was'nt sure where that firmware lived
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15:05.22abrotmantech13: you could use ls/tr/sort ?
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15:07.24abrotmanso don't
15:07.35abrotmanBurn: do you have the PCIIDs of those devices ?
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15:09.19NixotHello all
15:10.23Nixotcan I have some help please?
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15:10.48abrotman!tell Nixot about ask
15:11.07NixotOK
15:11.15NixotWell, I'mrunningDebian Lenny
15:11.30NixotI went to install the Gfire .deb package...
15:11.47jetscreamerwhat's that
15:11.50Nixot...and it said it depended on libpurple0 version 2.5.0 or something and it only found version 2.4.6.lenny
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15:12.13Nixotor something... but anyway, I download libpurple0 from the Debian website and it says it depends on all these other things too
15:12.14jetscreamerthis is via apt-get or aptitude?
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15:12.23jetscreamer!backport
15:12.23dpkg[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
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15:12.32tech13abrotman, thank you.  ended up going with  find . | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' | sort | uniq -d
15:12.37Nixotso I try and install it using apt-get and it says it's the latest version even tho it isnt
15:12.43abrotmantech13: yeah .. not pretty but it'll do
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15:12.57jetscreamerit's the latest version available in lenny
15:13.07Nixotso I look at the repositories and I reload the info
15:13.09jetscreameryou'll need to backport a higher version or so
15:13.25Nixotand they all say they couldn't get the information because it wasn't there!
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15:13.41Nixotlike 404 errors and all that!
15:13.57NixotSo I can't install the latest version manually... and I can't install it using apt-get...
15:14.13Nixotwhat repositories should I use for up-to-date software that actually work??
15:14.35Nixotor is there a way to get rid of the dependencies?
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15:15.22\amethystwoohoo, working 3D with a free driver... took me a while, and I have a few xrandr-related kinks to work out, but it works
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15:17.54Nixot??
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15:19.00\amethysthas anyone had a problem with GNOME using an editor to open URIs, instead of using the browser configured in gnome-default-applications-properties?
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15:19.19abrotman\amethyst: like open the rendered HTML or the code ?
15:19.40duryhi there channel :)
15:19.51\amethystabrotman:  the source
15:20.06\amethystabrotman:  it's invoking  gvim http://..../
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15:20.21\amethystabrotman:  and gvim is smart enough to run wget to fetch the source and edit it as a temp file
15:20.32abrotmanthat's a smart gvim (never tried it)
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15:20.45abrotman\amethyst: but you can't set it with gnome?
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15:21.48Burnabrotman: now I installed 2.6.30 bpo kernel with the latest driver and it works
15:21.57Burnbut how am I sure that this is a good kernel?
15:21.58abrotmanBurn: figures .. new fangled hardware
15:22.03abrotmanBurn: good for what?
15:22.12Burnabrotman: stable
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15:22.18\amethystabrotman:  I've tried setting it (in gnome-default-application-properties) to Iceweasel, Sensible-Browser, and Epiphany
15:22.32Burnabrotman: it seems to me that kernel 2.6.26 misses some functionality?
15:22.43\amethystabrotman:  I suspect there is something ancient in my gconf, but I don't want to dump the whole DB and start over
15:22.48abrotmanBurn: can't imagine it's awful .. many people in testing/unstable have been running it for awhile
15:22.50duryI'm trying to update my lenny and I have problems like....
15:23.02abrotmanBurn: it's just older .. that's all .. your hardware is probably newer than the .26 kernel
15:23.15Burnabrotman: isn't it newer? 2.6.30
15:23.20duryW: Failed to fetch http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources  404 Not Found
15:23.22duryE: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
15:23.22abrotmanyes .. but it works
15:23.24duryinfolekeitio:/home/nekane#
15:23.48abrotman\amethyst: i thought the sensible-browser used the /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser ?
15:23.52Burnabrotman: yeah, it's a r510 server, that's new
15:24.09durywhich ones are the old ones
15:24.26abrotmandury: that's not fatal .. just a warning
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15:25.03\amethystabrotman:  yes, it should... but it's not even being launched
15:25.31duryabrotman: but can't update the then.. how do I do it?
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15:25.49abrotman\amethyst: any change it's passing an argument that is sometihng epiphany/IW would understand but is breaking gvim ?
15:25.59abrotmandury: you could comment out your deb-src lines
15:26.16\amethystabrotman:  gvim runs fine... it's just that I don't want it launching gvim
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15:26.25duryabrotman: but can't update the system .. how do I do it then? sorry
15:26.29abrotmandury: you could comment out your deb-src lines
15:26.29Animany aware of url about open source standalone flash player     ????
15:26.58abrotman\amethyst: you want it to launch an editor, but not gvim ?
15:27.11abrotmanAnim: apt-cache search flash .. i believe there's one in Lenny
15:27.46duryabrotman: where is my deb-src lines... which is the file?
15:27.57\amethystabrotman:  no, I want it to launch a browser... but setting telling it in g-d-a-p to use a browser doesn't work; it insists on an editor
15:27.58abrotmandury: /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:28.03jetscreamer!sources.list
15:28.03dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code.  Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list.  Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:28.16abrotman\amethyst: that's just f'ed
15:28.24Animabrotman: can you help with url ? I don't have apt-cache in system
15:28.41abrotmanAnim: then you're not running Debian, and you should ask the channel for your distro
15:28.47duryabrotman: right let me see
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15:29.00tarzeau!popcon
15:29.00dpkg[popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
15:29.38AnimWe are running Debian ... but that system is not in the network to look for software
15:29.54abrotmanit still has sources .. it still has a cache .. it can search taht cache
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15:31.40Animabrotman: we are ruuning strip down version on flash and it doesn't have many pkgs...
15:31.46Animno results for this too
15:32.37darksk1ezyay -  19:19:51 up 1337 days, 16:19,  1 user,  load average: 0.81, 0.74, 0.60
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15:33.00simonrvnabout as long as you haven't changed the kernel on it too...
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15:33.10abrotmanfake ...
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15:33.38simonrvneither way, he's fucked ;p
15:34.56duryabrotman: an url to paste my "aptitude update" result?
15:35.17abrotman!paste
15:35.17dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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15:38.28duryabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/50788/ have a look this please
15:38.30abrotmandury: where are you geographically ?
15:38.40abrotmandury: paste your sources.list also
15:38.53duryabrotman: north spain
15:39.03duryright hang on
15:39.38vinc456I just unrar'ed a file into an empty directory and when extracting, I saw this message.
15:39.47vinc456tris.MD2 already exists. Overwrite it ?
15:39.47vinc456[Y]es, [N]o, [A]ll, n[E]ver, [R]ename, [Q]uit
15:40.14duryabrotman: done it http://paste.debian.net/50790/
15:40.47vinc456Any ideas on why this might happen? The destination is empty and doesn't have tris.MD2.
15:41.02abrotmandury: http://paste.debian.net/50792/ .. try using that instead
15:41.21duryabrotman: right hang on
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15:46.29duryabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/50795/
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15:48.10duryabrotman: could be server that is not working right or something
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15:49.39duryabrotman: I mean my Internet provider
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15:50.36InventBonjour
15:50.59lindenleHi my duplicity backup is telling me there are 0 backup chains... but there are more like 30
15:51.12lindenleany help would be very appreciated
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15:55.53duryabrotman: are you there?
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15:59.35\amethystabrotman:  got it fixed
15:59.58\amethystabrotman:  there was some junk in ~/.local/share/applications/{mimeapps.list,defaults.list,mimeinfo.cache}
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16:00.22\amethystabrotman:  assigning gvim to the text/html mimetype
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16:04.10Roobarb-WorkCan somone tell me how to fix this:  http://fpaste.org/OsBt/
16:04.15StuckMojomornin. aptitude and apt-get are now equivalent right? i.e. they use the same db and stuff, so for installing a single package it doesn't matter which you use?
16:04.28d1b!aptitude
16:04.28dpkgaptitude is, like, a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude").  Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
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16:05.13StuckMojowell it used to be that you didn't get as good of dependancy info and such if you just used apt rather than aptitude (admittedly this was quite a while back)
16:05.17StuckMojolike woody
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16:06.32StuckMojo" Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced."
16:06.37StuckMojoah yes, as i thought
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16:07.32abrotman\amethyst: that's just crappy .. should be an easier way
16:09.14victoriahi, I  need to launch kcmshell from a root shell, but I have not found how to do it, all I get is "no protocol specified. kcmshell: cannot connect to X server :0.0"
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16:09.15\amethystabrotman:  I probably told it at some point to open local HTML files with gvim; then after upgrading to gnome 2.28 the MIME preferences started being applied to remote URLs, too
16:09.30victoriaI have googled for a long while and tried a lot of different approaches
16:10.26abrotman\amethyst: oh, did you try to do that with nautilus at all?
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16:13.08fluorinestupid spammer
16:13.10themilladb: thanks
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16:14.10rumpsyhey guys :D
16:14.12themillrumpsy: please stop filling dpkg with crap.
16:14.40rumpsy:DD .. sorry..
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16:15.47petemcanyone know how to test for the presence of a file with a specific extension but any name with bash?
16:16.05petemc[[ -f /foo/*.exe ]] , doesnt work
16:17.03rumpsywhere do you want to check that?
16:17.19petemcwhat do you mean, where?
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16:17.49rumpsyWhat do you mean test?
16:18.02abrotmanpetemc: you'd probably do better to ignore him
16:18.06petemci think so
16:18.37abrotmanif you escape the * ?
16:18.58\amethystpetemc:  you need something more complicated
16:18.58abrotmanpetemc: i could also give you a dirty ls | wc :)
16:19.01petemci have it quoted, but escaping makes no difference
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16:19.16\amethystpetemc:  http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/004 -- How can I check whether a directory is empty or not?  How do I check for any *.mpg files?
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16:19.26petemcsuperb, thanks \amethyst
16:19.56\amethystpetemc:  if you have problems implementing what's in the FAQ, we can help you in #bash
16:20.09petemci may take you up on that, cheers
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16:23.11abrotmanoh holy jeez .. that's not pretty
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16:30.38victoriahi, I made a question and soon after my computer crashed. Is there any way of seeing the last few minutes in this conversation?
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16:35.17sassynhi all
16:35.25sassynI have a small question
16:35.31sassynabout compile kernel
16:35.48sassynI want to understand how when compiling kernel
16:35.52sassynwith debian
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16:38.20simonrvnsassyn: when?
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16:38.38bigpreshsassyn: Please don't randomly press enter whilst trying to type your question; go ahead and type out your (full) message, *then* send it
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16:48.08macrobatsassyn http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525
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16:50.05redf1shHey, I've got a server that stops responding suddenly (etch). So I setup a shell that showed the output of /proc/kmsg, the last thing it saw was everything segfaulting at once (error 4)... then it stopped responding and had to be rebooted. This screams memory error to me but memtest thinks everything is alright. Anyone have any other ideas?
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16:51.56rsnakeHey guys... I'm having some trouble with dpkg, can someone help me please? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/148826/
16:53.45justinrsnake: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.prerm
16:54.18module000redf1sh: bad memory, overclocking, or possibly you have a corrupt lib/module somewhere?
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16:54.33StuckMojorsnake: hmmm
16:55.01redf1shmodule000: the module things possible. It works fine for several hours, usually a couple days, before it explodes.
16:55.02StuckMojorsnake: you might be able to trick it by providing a fake alternative for iceape-flashplugin.
16:55.02Scuzzigetting... "php5-imap: Depends: libc-client2007b but it is not installable" when trying to install php5-imap
16:55.05Scuzziany suggestions?
16:55.06redf1shreally weird
16:55.33justinrudd versions libc-client2007b
16:55.38module000redf1sh: what was your last update before this behavior started? that would shed some light if it's a lib/module issue
16:55.41simonrvnjudd
16:55.43justinright
16:55.48simonrvn:)
16:55.49justinjudd versions libc-client2007b
16:55.50jellydudd
16:55.50juddjustin: libc-client2007b -- etch-backports: 7:2007b~dfsg-4+lenny3~bpo40+1 lenny: 7:2007b~dfsg-4+lenny3 squeeze: 8:2007b~dfsg-1.1+b1
16:56.01redf1shmodule000 Its etch from when it was stable, and a custom kernel
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16:56.15simonrvnthinks Scuzzi is using apt-get
16:56.19redf1shhasn't updated in forever
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16:56.27Scuzziyea, i am using apt-get
16:56.28justinScuzzi: install libc-client2007b
16:56.30module000redf1sh: kernel could be the culprit.  but it wouldn't hurt to check the rest of your packages with `debsums` to make sure somethign isn't corrupt
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16:56.45redf1shmodule000: right i forgot about debsums. Doh.
16:56.50ScuzziPackage libc-client2007b is not available, but is referred to by another package.
16:56.51redf1shis a gentoo person
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16:57.04redf1shI'll check that thanks module000
16:57.09module000redf1sh: hope it helps ;]
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16:57.26justinScuzzi: pastebin your sources.list
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16:58.05rsnakejustin, StuckMojo: how would I go about fooling this script?
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16:58.15Scuzzijustin: that might very well be the issue
16:58.15justinrsnake: comment out the stuff that's failing
16:58.16Scuzzideb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
16:58.24Scuzzithat's it
16:59.24caretacan anyone please get me this file "python-pexpect.postinst"?
16:59.37caretamy apt is broken
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17:00.06simonrvnwget the deb and get it yourself ;)
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17:00.29Scuzzijustin: should i have something different for sources?
17:00.36Scuzzior something additional?
17:00.39caretasimonrvn, good idea, thanks
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17:01.19justinScuzzi: uhh, why are you using unstable?
17:01.42Scuzzihabit? tradition? i have no good answer :)
17:01.51justinI suggest you check the bts
17:02.03Scuzzithis server is actually gonna be retired in a couple of months, was just trying to get php5-imap working for one last project
17:02.22simonrvncareta: mkdir ~/tmp; cd ~/tmp; ar -x thatdebfileyougot.deb # and the postinst should be 'postinst'
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17:06.32rsnakeYou guys think it would be too catastrophic if I just set VARIANTS to be an empty string?
17:06.56victoriahi, how can i launch a user command like kcmshell from a root shell in an X session
17:07.22victoriai've tried su -c kcmshell $USER
17:07.27victoriabut it doesn't work
17:07.51cheakoHello, I have this problem http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-667057.html  I'd like to alter gconf settings or a user config file(I.E. ~/.*) to disable blanking.
17:08.09cheakoI need to do so in a script or daemon, puppet.
17:08.41rsnakejustin, StuckMojo: Wohoo! I made VARIANTS an empty string and it worked no problem. Now I just hope it doesn't come back to haunt me in the future. Thanks for saving the day guys!
17:09.13Imran-UKis there a way i can add an IP addr as an alias and just let it get the right number in sequence rather than me explicitly saying eth0:0, 1 etc
17:09.29Imran-UKman ifconfig doesnt tell me
17:09.38Scuzzijustin: any short term suggestions?  should i change my source to stable?
17:10.10cheakoImran-UK: No and yes.  You will need to code something, I'd use "ifconfig -a | awk"
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17:10.44rsnakeHey guys, do you think I should switch from Ubuntu to Debian?
17:10.56cheakoYou could also try using a file to store that last used or current ID.
17:11.05Imran-UKcheako, thanks, yeah - was hoping for ifconfig --smart-alias or summat ;)
17:11.25maligorrsnake, how long have you used it?
17:11.25cheakoImran-UK: Nata, ifconfig does not know it's setting aliases.
17:11.26kmdoes anyone has any adivse on how to secure apache the password in ldapbindpassword?
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17:11.47maligorrsnake, also it mostly depends on your needs
17:12.17rsnakemaligor: About 6 months... I want a nice environment for coding and stuff, nothing too complicated
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17:12.47maligoryou can use debian stable but it tends to lag in library versions
17:12.58Imran-UKcheako, i'm configuring heartbeat with two nodes and a couple of aliases are "resources" which failover
17:13.27maligorrsnake, testing and unstable would have more recent stuff, but I can't really recommend them to you if you've only used 6 months
17:14.01Imran-UKcheako, one oddity - heartbeat seems to ignore eth0:5 etc in the resource scripts. when the "resource" is started the aliases become eth0:1, eth0:2
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17:14.21cheakoImran-UK: You will then want to setup your aliases statically.  You could write a script to awk /etc/network/interfaces and create the next available alias.
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17:14.45rsnakemaligor: How would you say Debian beats Ubuntu?
17:15.01cheakoI might also advice using every 5th alias, like an old BASIC programs line numbering.
17:15.10maligorrsnake, ubuntu has some really stupid policies with "stable" releases
17:15.27Imran-UKcheako, got bit of advice. btw is there a limit to aliases numberS? 255?
17:15.42cheakoImran-UK: You -can- use ifrename to give these meanigfull names that don't have ':'s in them :)
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17:16.05maligorrsnake, it's very unlikely any official update to debian stable would break it
17:16.16cheakoI'm not sure of the interfaces mumbo jumbo for this.
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17:16.56Imran-UKcheako, nw, thanks, ifrename is a debian package too
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17:17.09Imran-UKnaming stuff makes sysadmining that bit easier no
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17:17.29rsnakeYeah.. actually updating ubuntu to the version that got released a few days back messed with quite a bit of my stuff
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17:17.44rsnakedoes aptitude work the same way?
17:17.55cheakoImran-UK: Not always, you are likely never working with the interfaces after you set them up for example.
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17:23.26Imran-UKcheako, btw if i wanted to use unicast comms between two interfaces, is this pretty painless to set-up on debian?
17:23.43Imran-UKseem like multicast is enabled by default
17:23.56Imran-UKjust off the top of your head
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17:24.36cheakoHmm, what is that?
17:24.51cheakoare you talking brctl?
17:25.23cheakoI'll brb, 1 sec.
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17:25.37Imran-UKcheako, no, its in the context of broadcast, multicast and unicast. in broadcast, all nodes are polled but only one responds. in unicast, one polled, one responds
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17:25.49Imran-UKi think
17:26.09cheakoohh on your aliases.
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17:26.16Imran-UKor generally
17:26.30cheakoThey should all respond to broadcast pings.
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17:26.41Imran-UKon any interface, otherwise nw, i'll sharpen my google-fu
17:26.53cheakoJust as if you had several network cards all tied to the same "hub".
17:27.09Imran-UKok
17:27.20cheakoPerhaps you have the net mask wrong?
17:27.32cheakohold on.
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17:28.07grendal_primeok im trying to dist-upgrade to lenny from etch.  I get this error when i go to update the repose
17:28.08grendal_primeCouldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org lenny//updates Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny__updates_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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17:28.57themillgrendal_prime: check your source.list and get rid of the double-/
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17:31.08Imran-UKcheako, wb. no, theres no problem. i'm just talking hypothetically about the unicast thing
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17:31.28grendal_primewerid...there are no entrys like that..
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17:31.35cheakonot sure  there will be any problems.
17:31.38grendal_primehere is where it seems to be having a difficult time.
17:31.39grendal_primedeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny updates main contrib
17:31.40grendal_primedeb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny updates main contrib
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17:32.18grendal_primeshoud there be on contrib on there?
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17:34.11themillgrendal_prime: I presume you actually have "lenny/updates" there not "lenny updates"
17:35.40reberhi. What is the replacement of dillo in squeeze ?
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17:37.18TomomosiusWhant to win prizes like Xbox360 Elite,PS3,PSP-3000,40 inc LCD TV and many more. Then watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZl3vlYgO0g It will explain u how.U can pm me here to
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17:37.35grendal_primewell now see thats what we get for Presuming things isnt it..it makes a pre out of U and ming...and im sure ming is not all that happy with you..(i on the other hand am happy becuase that fixed it...!!!)  thanks man my bad
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17:38.05themillgrendal_prime: :)
17:38.19Titan8990_themill, .... but I wanted a 40inch tv
17:38.52grendal_primeahh man,,....i wanted him "explain me" how to get all that time sponge crap for my livingroom!!
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17:41.05grendal_primedist upgrading now.
17:41.29themillgrendal_prime: I presume you read the release notes about how you should be doing this (/msg dpkg etch->lenny)
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17:41.35grendal_primehey themill last time i did this..i thought it was done..then it turned out i needed to reboot and run the dist upgrade again..is that normal?
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17:42.33grendal_primeya ive done it before...mostly ...big thing ive found id make suer your most current with your exisiting distro before doing the dist upgrade.
17:42.35themillgrendal_prime: a reboot is normal, a second dist-upgrade should not be necessary. Unlike certain companies from the NW USA, Debian has been able to write a package manager and dependency resolver that can do things in one hit.
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17:43.07grendal_primehmm strange i hade problems with it before.
17:43.33grendal_primenot problems per say..more like...well i just had to run it a second time
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17:46.47wixxerhello
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17:47.12wixxercan i install this software on debian ? http://www.schizophrenia-online.com
17:47.41valdynwixxer: can you?
17:47.54wixxerit use the .net framework
17:48.01wixxerand i already installed mono and it doesnt work
17:48.31valdyn!doesn't work
17:48.31dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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17:49.15wixxerit says the system.xml file cannot be access
17:49.30wixxerand the program stops
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17:50.25wixxerbut there it says .net framework 2
17:50.31wixxerthat should be compatible with mono
17:50.32wixxerhttp://download.cnet.com/Schizophrenia-Online-Chat-Room/3000-2129_4-10907998.html?tag=bc
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17:53.05camel000hi
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17:53.46camel000i ve a question, how turn off for few users access to links?
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17:54.45Maulkinas in 'links' the program?
17:55.04camel000yes
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17:55.33camel000is line web browser
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17:58.08camel000?
17:58.28tensorpuddingcamel000: you want to prevent some users from using links?
17:58.31dkrcamel000: chmod 750 `which links`; addgroup linksusers; chgrp linksusers `which links`;  gpasswd -a user linksusers
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17:59.08jellycamel000: what are you trying to accomplish with this?
17:59.22camel000tensorpudding yes
17:59.56camel000jelly i want to tuen off links for few users
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18:00.03camel000*turn
18:00.18asgcamel000: how will you prevent them from downloading their own binary and running it from their $HOME?
18:00.18simonrvnwhy?
18:00.50_stackhi I'm using mpd on debian squeeze, I'm trying to use mp3 encoding for shout but I get "output: line 203: couldn't find shout encoder plugin "mp3"" even if mpd -V reports  [mad] mp3 mp2 , what could be the cause?
18:01.52tensorpuddinghmm, left, i guess we'll never know why he wanted to block links
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18:02.31sassynhi all
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18:02.59junki want to install debian on my XP machine (dual boot ;)) i have a 38 gig of harddisk space... how much space would be advisable for using debian?>
18:03.16asgjunk: the install guide gives recommendations (/msg dpkg ig)
18:03.24tensorpudding38 GB is significantly more than enough
18:04.00Deamon44i live in poland, how do You have a bandwith and how cost it?
18:04.23tensorpuddingme?
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18:04.40junkasg: ty
18:04.47junktensorpudding: ty
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18:04.52abrotmandaemon: maybe ask #ubuntu-pl
18:04.57macrobatDeamon44: look for cheap and fast ISP in your area :)
18:05.05Deamon44i have 2mb (in night from 24 to 9 i have 4 mb) and upload 750 i pay 65pln it's about 15 euros per month
18:05.07abrotmandaemon44 maybe ask #ubuntu-pl
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18:05.12abrotmanoh ffs
18:05.24tensorpuddingsurely poland has some fat tubes
18:05.25themill!typosmite abrotman
18:05.25dpkgmakes abrotman raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
18:05.35abrotmanyeah .. and i think he's advertising
18:05.47macrobatDeamon44: you  are off topic :)
18:05.49Deamon44ia ask becouse i 'am interesting in bandwith in the other countries
18:05.59abrotmanDeamon44: wrong channel, try #debian-offtopic
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18:15.23HexxehI'm trying to give FTP users access to other dirs using mount --bind and I've managed to create some wrong ones by accident I can't get rid of, how can I list all this type of mountpoint and delete the unwanted ones?
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18:20.34brabohey guys i need some advice on a chrooted environment: i got aa ssh chroot jail set up. users can use passwd and the passwd in the jail does change. but when they log out and log in again, they need their old pass because obviously the main passwd file isnt changed.. how to solve this?
18:21.15CutMeOwnThroathard-link it?
18:21.42brabohardlink the jailed passwd to the main passwd file?
18:21.48CutMeOwnThroatyes
18:21.57Titan8990_passwd is stored in a shaddow file
18:22.01Titan8990_or atleast should be
18:22.03brabok i dint know you could link from inside a joail to outside
18:22.12braboi know it goes other way around
18:22.15CutMeOwnThroatyou don't
18:22.19ranixyou can, as long as it's a hard link and it's not on a separate filesystem
18:22.23tarasheya CutMeOwnThroat
18:22.25brabocool
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18:22.33ranixyou will have problems with this if you have a separate /home/partition
18:22.42brabolemme try this out guys, it would save me alot of trouble if that works :)
18:22.46ranixor rather a separate partition for the jail
18:22.57CutMeOwnThroatyou do it from outside something like rm /path/in/jail/shadow; ln /etc/shadow /path/in/jail/shadow
18:22.58brabook but that is luckily not the case
18:23.04ranixkk
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18:23.25CutMeOwnThroatyeah, obviously that doesn't work if it's on a different partition
18:23.27CutMeOwnThroattaras, heya
18:23.29_stackhow do I install all the dependacies needed to build a debian source package?
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18:23.50sHaggY_caTВсем привет:) тут есть те, кто юзает паппет?
18:24.00CutMeOwnThroattaras, fishy fixed a naming collision of getline in xpilot-ng for the debian package
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18:24.03CutMeOwnThroat!ru
18:24.03dpkgRussian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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18:24.35asg_stack: aptitude build-dep <pkg>
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18:24.53wildc4rdevening all
18:25.21sHaggY_caTdpkg: sorry, i know this cnannel, i make error, when i whrite command /join, i mean send /join debain-russian :(
18:25.21dpkgsHaggY_caT: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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18:26.11_stackthanks asg
18:26.16sHaggY_caTdpkg: Sorry, i enter in over channel(of my mind)
18:26.16dpkgsHaggY_caT: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
18:26.20MKIINDIAHi I m Mohammad Azeem from India
18:26.43MKIINDIAWe are doing Indian metal handicrafts
18:26.43sHaggY_caTdpkg: no
18:26.43dpkgNo Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
18:26.49tarasCutMeOwnThroat: what did it affect?
18:26.49brabono it doesnt work you guys
18:27.08CutMeOwnThroattaras, didn't build
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18:27.17CutMeOwnThroatdoes, too!
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18:27.36tarasso you updated package in repo?
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18:28.59braboCutMeOwnThroat: that didnt work.. i changced pass of jailed user. logged out and still only can login with the old passwd
18:29.11CutMeOwnThroatno, he, but I think he committed the changes to CVS
18:29.15tarasoh
18:29.17braboi linked passwd, group and shadow the way yo told
18:29.27CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, you didn't do it correctly, then
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18:30.04kingsleyIs there a better way to stop spam than the package named "spamassassin"? If so, what is it?
18:30.10taraslenny package still have the problem with setting lower turnSpeed then 4.0
18:30.56CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, actually, your jail setup must be unusual in a way - why would the /etc/shadow inside the jail not stay the same between logins?
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18:31.23CutMeOwnThroattaras, it does? well, that should have gone away with the new build as well
18:31.34asgkingsley: stop it for yourself or for a whole network of users?
18:31.40tarasyea
18:31.59kingsleyasg: Good question. Happily, only for me.
18:32.18braboCutMeOwnThroat: that file stays the same
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18:33.02brabobut as is sshd that chroots them sshd reads the passwd/shadow file outside the jail, no?
18:33.03asgkingsley: dspam is another possibility as is bogofilter. Also, setting up greylisting (if you have an mta that accepts direct inbound deliveries) can also assist.
18:34.13braboand the hardlink as you suggested :   # ln /etc/passwd /home/jail/etc/passwd
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18:34.22brabois that what you meant?
18:34.27kingsleyasg: I'll check them out.
18:34.29CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, compile in a pastebin what you did? also look at stat /etc/shadow
18:34.50CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, yes, but obviously you first have to rm -f /home/jail/etc/passwd
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18:35.52CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, should show the same Inode for /home/jail/etc/shadow and /etc/shadow and Links: 2
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18:38.36braboCutMeOwnThroat: http://brabo.pastebin.com/m416b8a7c
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18:39.21kingsleyasg: If you happen to have an opinion on the spam filter "crm114", I'd be glad to see it.
18:39.36CutMeOwnThroatas I said - actually the password in /home/jail/etc/shadow shouldn't change because you log out
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18:39.57asgkingsley: I've heard good things about it but I'm not sure of the implementation. It is something much larger than a spam filter though it can be used for such things.
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18:42.01braboandb the stats compare:  http://brabo.pastebin.com/d55d786ea
18:42.20braboCutMeOwnThroat: it doesnt
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18:42.47CutMeOwnThroatso you didn't hardlink it
18:43.08braboyou have the user inside the jail changisg the passwd inside the jail,' butn as he logs into the jail through sshd running outside the jail, sshd uses the passw it finds in /etc
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18:43.31braboCutMeOwnThroat: were the commands wrong i used in the first pastebin?
18:43.51CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, see here: http://pastebin.com/f4af4e485
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18:45.15CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, is something erasing/copying all files for each time someone accesses the jail or something?
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18:48.33brabothat command doesnt work either
18:49.24CutMeOwnThroat?
18:49.32CutMeOwnThroatI just showed you how it looks when it works
18:49.34brabothe problem stays the same
18:49.37braboyes
18:49.41brabobut the stats keep differ
18:49.44braboi rm th file
18:49.48braboinsidhe the jail
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18:49.49braboits gone
18:50.07braboi ln /etc/shadow /home/jail/etc/
18:50.10braboits there
18:50.17brabobutstats stay different
18:50.38CutMeOwnThroatthen obviously it's not a hard link
18:50.58CutMeOwnThroator I should say a second hard link to the same file
18:50.58brabowell i use the command the same as you do, with you it works
18:51.44brabowhat i can try is see if i can do it other way around, but that's kisnda dangerous
18:51.45CutMeOwnThroatwhat filesystem do you use for /home
18:52.16brabo./home isnt seperate partition.. it is directory on / and / is ext3
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18:53.20CutMeOwnThroatactually ln should complain if it doesn't work, e.g.: ln: creating hard link `./shadow' => `/etc/shadow': Invalid cross-device link
18:53.45CutMeOwnThroat(that's when I try to link /etc/shadow into /home)
18:54.00braboyeah.. and passwd seems to be linked okay
18:54.05brabolemme  check group
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18:54.40brabogroup and shadow- are okay too ;p
18:55.50braboweird now the file shaws in stat okay
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18:56.42jeeves_Mossdoes anyone know if it's possible to make an off-line copy of the freeCDDDB database?  I have ~2,000 CDs that I plan on ripping, and I do not have a high speed internet connection @ the location I'm going to be doing the ripping.
18:56.56brabookay now i see. the files gget linked okay, but the one in the jail chanegs and the file its linked to not
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18:57.13CutMeOwnThroat?
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18:57.28dondelelcarojeeves_Moss: http://www.freedb.org/en/download__database.10.html
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18:58.17brabowell that's what i feared would happen.. when passwd is invoked in the chroot jail, it changes the chrooted shadow, but it cant write outside the jail to the /etc/shadow...
18:58.19CutMeOwnThroatdrive-by UTF-8ler!
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18:58.32dondelelcarobrabo: that's why you use ldap or similar if you want to do something like that
18:58.49CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, it's the same file if it's just a 2nd hardlink
18:59.12dondelelcaroand unfortunatly, because of the way that /etc/shadow is updated, hardlinking isn't going to work
18:59.13jeeves_Mossdondelelcaro, thanks mate.  I have 3 custom built systems sitting @ home to do the ripping.  They're old 8 bay (5.25") server towers that I've stuffed as many CD-ROM drives as I could into them.  And they have a dual core 1.8Ghz CPU per box hooked up to my 1Tb NAS.  hopefully, this shouldn't take too long to rip
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18:59.31brabowell yeah.. but isnt one of the purposes of a chroot jail not be able to write outside it?
18:59.32CutMeOwnThroatdondelelcaro, oh, it's copied when it's updated?
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18:59.42dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: it's copied, updated, then moved back
18:59.56grendal_primehmmm
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19:00.19braboso ldap is what i need. tx dondelelcaro i will google it
19:00.21CutMeOwnThroatdondelelcaro, but... vipw // vipw -s just locks it, or so the claim when you try more than one access at a time
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19:00.39Texouhi
19:00.53dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: yes, because they write the copy before editing it
19:01.23CutMeOwnThroatdoh, it's true... I didn't know that
19:01.26grendal_primetrying to copy a dir structure thats a little...different.  /computername/yearmonthday/hour/tons-of-files-here
19:01.47grendal_primeI need to copy everything say for each computer on 20091104
19:01.53CutMeOwnThroatbrabo, sorry - I never knew passwd actually creates a new file, I was only aware that it's locking what it needs
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19:02.36dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: yeah, the main reason is that the update has to be atomic, and only mv is
19:02.40CutMeOwnThroathm, guess it makes sense in case of a system crash... you probably want to miminize the impact on /etc/shadow
19:02.44grendal_primeand preserve the dir structure as well. hmmmm
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19:03.01braboso dondelelcaro can i use ldap to solve this in a not too complex fashion?
19:03.07dondelelcarogrendal_prime: rsync is your friend
19:03.33Texoudo you know if the security bug in the kernel is solved by the last 2.6.26-2-amd64 package in Deb 5.0.3? or is it necessary to wait for 5.0.4? when will be released this version? I talk about pipe_read_open() ...write_open() and rdwr_open()
19:03.41dondelelcarogrendal_prime: presumably you want something like rsync --include /*/20091104/** blah blah blah
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19:03.56module000Texou: id on't know, but i'm sure the kernel release noets will mention it if they have a fix included
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19:04.37dondelelcaro(with appropriate --include /*/ --include */20091104/ --exclude ** options
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19:05.09markizanohey all, i hav a compaq presario C700 with Atheros AR242x ... i forget what package installed to get wireless working on debian lenny...
19:05.09daowhat is the standard approch to upgrade from postgres 8.1 to 8.3 in debian? do i just dump the database then import it in 8.3 ?
19:05.40markizanoso far, i have madwifi, madwifi-tools, and madwifi-source installed
19:06.01markizanoand i know there's a modprobe in there somewhere, but i also forget the mod's name :P
19:06.18dondelelcarodao: nah, you just read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3/README.Debian.gz, and follow the instructions dealing with pg_upgrade_cluster
19:06.33daodondelelcaro: thanks
19:06.44dondelelcarodao: but in general, if you install postgresql-8.3, it should attempt to upgrade the cluster itself
19:06.45daoi am a archlinux user so i keep forgetting about /usr/share/doc
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19:07.16dondelelcaro(it may not succeed, though, or you may need to do some manual configuration, but....)
19:07.45CutMeOwnThroatdondelelcaro, guess you could hardlink /etc, though... question is what good such a jail does
19:07.49TexouI lookdd at changelog.debian and I didn't find exactly if the bug is fixed (it says for example "pipe.c: null pointer dereference (CVE-2009-3547). Does it mean the bug is solved. What this CVE-2009-3547?
19:08.01dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: bind mount /etc, but yeah.
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19:08.14CutMeOwnThroator that of course
19:08.32dondelelcaroTexou: it's a Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures number
19:08.44dondelelcaroTexou: it identifies the specific security fix that the upgrade was for
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19:08.59Texouah ok
19:09.00mesaGLare canonical forms allowed in this channel ?
19:09.10dondelelcaromesaGL: huh?
19:09.20sigmonsaysanyone aware of some php code to make navigating a apt repository easy?
19:09.23bbelt16agwhat's the addon for icedove for the calndar
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19:09.43Texoudondelelcaro: can I find a more detailed description of this reference? to know if it's really pipe_read_open() ...?
19:09.44dondelelcarosigmonsays: an apt repository is just a filesystem; there's no code needed
19:09.51harkmarkizano: /msg dpkg madwifi-install
19:11.14CutMeOwnThroatdondelelcaro, hm,  mount -bind  one can do that with a single file, too - but that probably doesn't behave a lot better when that file is moved
19:11.17mesaGLbbelt16ag: here's one that seems popular - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2313
19:11.36dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it doesn't. The reason I know all of this is because I was trying to do something similar at one point in time
19:11.49CutMeOwnThroatright :)
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19:11.58dondelelcaro(well, actually, something totally *crazy*; I have custom versions of passwd and pam to deal with it)
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19:12.58Roland-hey, I have a gps which send data on port 9000, is there a software to see what exacly is that gps sending?
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19:13.11CutMeOwnThroatdondelelcaro, so what happens if you do mount -bind /etc/shadow /somewhere/shadow and then run passwd?  it's ok if you replace /etc/shadow, but you delete the bound copy if you replace /somewhere/shadow?
19:13.13dondelelcaroTexou: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-3547
19:13.30TexouI look thanks
19:14.02dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: it basically makes it unbound
19:14.12CutMeOwnThroatwhen you change either?
19:14.32dondelelcaroCutMeOwnThroat: no, when you do a rename or mv
19:14.50dondelelcarowell, it probably still is bound, but not to what you wanted it to be
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19:15.26en1gmacan someone tell me how to put both dvd1 and dvd2 on a DL dvd-r
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19:15.31en1gmaor if its possible
19:15.46bbelt16agthere we go.
19:15.50en1gmadvd1 and dvd2 of debian i mean
19:15.57bbelt16agthanks for the help I  was trying to get the  64 bit version and it wouldn't work.
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19:16.57CutMeOwnThroatI meant the mv when passwd "changes" the file - I just wonder if exchanging one of them would be ok... not sure I understand well enough how mount works
19:17.28CutMeOwnThroatyou normally don't move something else in place of /dev/sda1 or somesuch
19:18.16CutMeOwnThroatso it's an interesting 'extreme' case to learn how things work
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19:20.28Texouok so it seems that the last package fixes the bug. But a test is suggested: see if /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is different than NULL. For me it's 0. NULL and 0 are different? Can I consider I'm protected?
19:21.18TexouNote I am very bad in code :)
19:23.55en1gmaanyone know how to combine debian dv1 and dvd2 onto a DL dvd-r
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19:25.16CutMeOwnThroatguess you just copy everything together and merge the packages lists
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19:26.34Interphasehi, while I am installing debian it does not recognize the wireless PIC card that the computer uses to connect to the Internet
19:26.40en1gmai think it will mess up the boot loader
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19:26.49en1gmai mean autostart
19:26.54en1gmaor whatever it is
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19:26.56Interphase*PCI card, would I be able to fix this once debian is installed?
19:27.20CutMeOwnThroatobviously you have to make it bootable again
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19:27.45en1gmayea how is that done
19:28.25Titan8990_Interphase, what kind of card is it?
19:28.59Interphaseit's a old wireless PCI card
19:29.05Interphasein a desktop
19:29.10Interphasenot sure the model or anything
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19:29.50Titan8990_Interphase, without knowing the chipset, we couldn't say
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19:30.19en1gmadoes debian stable 5.03 dvd1 give a choice of gnome or kde
19:30.28InterphaseTitan8990, this computer had ubuntu installed on it before, and the card worked
19:30.42maligoren1gma, can't use netinstall?
19:30.44Titan8990_Interphase, out of the box?
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19:31.17en1gmamaligor i thought about it
19:31.22en1gmabut it looks hard
19:31.29en1gmai did a little reading
19:31.33maligorit's not any harder than normal install
19:31.37maligorerr.. media install
19:31.44InterphaseTitan8990, I think so
19:31.48en1gmayour talking set the mb bios to boot to network?
19:31.57CutMeOwnThroatyou might have a look at aptoncd
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19:32.24maligoren1gma, no, you download a minimal ~120MB? image
19:32.32CutMeOwnThroator at simple-cdd
19:32.34module000en1gma: no, we mean using the network installation disk...where it downloads packages from internet mirrors
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19:32.57en1gmaoh ok then....i have one DVD-R DL and that is all...nothing else...so i was trying to fill it up the best i can
19:33.04module000en1gma: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
19:33.13en1gmalooks like i will just burn debian dvd1 to it and hope gnome is on it
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19:33.18maligoren1gma, it's just relatively convenient unless you replicate systems from the medium
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19:33.33abrotmanen1gma: you could use CD1 for that
19:34.07en1gmayea but shouldnt i use the info that can most fill up the dvd-r DL
19:34.25CutMeOwnThroatwhat good does it do you if you only do one install?
19:34.26maligoryou can also use usb sticks
19:34.42asgen1gma: considering that most of it will likely be updated due to security fixes over time, it'd be better just to get the minimum base media.
19:34.52CutMeOwnThroatyou'll just download more than with the netinstall because the DVDs contain packages you don't need
19:34.58en1gmait does good if you ever loose the internet
19:35.17maligorlike a nuclear holocaust?
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19:35.19asgen1gma: that's what pubs are for
19:35.36en1gmahmmm got me thinking
19:35.38CutMeOwnThroatso what if you "lose the internet" while you download the DVDs?
19:35.58en1gmamy internet gets shut off regularly when i dont pay my bill
19:36.00en1gma:)
19:36.25en1gmai was thinking about trying a tftp install
19:36.28maligorelectricity doesn't?
19:36.31en1gmasounded kind of fun
19:36.31CutMeOwnThroateasy,  start installing after you payed your bill
19:36.44maligormm.. I didn't know you could install using tftp
19:36.51en1gmathe dvd is 90% done in the torrent
19:37.00asgmaligor: often done on sparcs
19:37.16maligorI've used tftp on embedded system bootloaders tho
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19:37.43en1gmai have never set my computer bios to boot tftp or lan or whatever it is before
19:38.34en1gmai wonder what kind of settings are in there
19:38.34abrotmanheh .. you all fell for the trap!
19:38.43CutMeOwnThroathe did?
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19:39.51en1gmatrap?
19:40.44en1gmaso what is on debian 5.03 dvd 1? is it gnome or kde
19:40.48en1gmaprobably kde
19:41.35maligorgnome
19:41.41en1gmasweet
19:41.49maligorit might have both tho, not sure
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19:42.02maligorbut gnome is the default in debian for desktop
19:42.12abrotmanit's both IIRC
19:42.22en1gmanice
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19:42.34abrotmanyeah .. all that bandwidth saved ...
19:42.35en1gmai like gnome stability over kde prettyness
19:43.09en1gmai format quite often so really there is alot of bandwith saved after i burn the image
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19:43.31en1gmayou should see how many times  i have to redownload all my steam games
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19:43.34en1gmaHAH!
19:43.46axisysi am trying to access vnc server over the web.. not found any complete how to so far.. i neeed to do a presentaion from my desktop and share with others readonly
19:43.51en1gmaSteam servers have to hate me
19:43.56CutMeOwnThroatkde is pretty?
19:44.19en1gmakde has more eye candy and is streamlined like windows as far as looks
19:44.23en1gmaimho
19:44.33CutMeOwnThroatwindows is pretty?
19:44.55en1gmawell everything isnt huge boarders like gnome
19:45.27en1gmagnome seams like a really logical 10year old put it togather
19:45.36jhutchins_ltGnome always reminded me of OS/2.  Very eighties.
19:46.07en1gmayea gnome i really never liked but its so dang stable and never crashes like kde did for me
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19:46.59CutMeOwnThroat*sigh* that reminds me that perhaps, just perhaps I should switch to openbox
19:47.19en1gmafluxbox was light weight but to light weight
19:47.33maligorI've never really had kde crash on me, not the non-experimental kde debian packages anyway
19:47.50en1gmai used to have problems with its sound manger or whatever it was
19:48.00en1gmai think they got rid of it in kde4
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19:50.41en1gmai think it was artslib or something
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19:52.24Texouwell, the bug doesn't seem to be fixed despite what's displayed in changelog. I hope 5.0.4 will be released :)
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19:52.43[Jasper]why does my upgrade say libfribidi is recommended?
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19:53.53valdyn!recommended
19:53.55valdyn!recommend
19:54.17valdyn[Jasper]: because some different package will gain features by that libfribidi while its not essential
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19:59.04abrotman!recommends
19:59.08abrotmandid the bot run away?
19:59.14abrotmanoh .. nevermind
19:59.15valdynjudd: recommends
19:59.16juddvaldyn: (recommends ) -- Show Recommends: of a given package. Usage: "recommends packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]"
19:59.26valdynah
19:59.48abrotman!why recommends
19:59.48dpkgFrom lenny onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default.  From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency.  The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations."  You're not that unusual, trust us.  By not installing "recommended" packages, you will be missing functionality.
19:59.49valdynjudd: recommended by
19:59.50juddvaldyn: Error: "recommended" is not a valid command.
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20:01.56aaronhey i have a question i'm using fluxbox and how come. when i try to connect to a wireless network it does not work I'm using this command iwconfig wlan0 essid name
20:02.09aaronand is not working any ideas?
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20:02.28unomystEzwhen trying to install sendmail, it says Broken package for sendmail-bin
20:02.38NixotErr, hi.
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20:02.43Nixotcan I have a hand please?
20:02.51greycatapplauds
20:02.56unomystEzdoes this mean sendmail can't be installed?
20:03.00Xenguynyuck nyuck
20:03.01CutMeOwnThroatgives Nixot a freshly cut hand... still bleeding
20:03.13NixotErrr... not exactly what I had in mind...
20:03.17Nixot...but thanks anyway!
20:03.30CutMeOwnThroatAdams family!
20:03.34CutMeOwnThroat\o/
20:03.38NixotAnyway... after using Update Manager to update my Debian, the wireless stopped working.
20:03.41Titan8990_unomystEz, pastebin the full error
20:03.57aaronand is not working any ideas?
20:03.57Titan8990_Nixot, update versions or just upgrade in general?
20:03.58aaronhey i have a question i'm using fluxbox and how come. when i try to connect to a wireless network it does not work I'm using this command iwconfig wlan0 essid name
20:04.03XenguyNixot: what was updated?
20:04.08NixotUpdate using Update manager.
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20:04.18Titan8990_aaron, you still need an ip address, either via static assignment of dhcp
20:04.19NixotAlso I did "sudo apt-get upgrade" prior
20:04.23CutMeOwnThroataaron, that's not enough - you must at least run dhclient or something - fluxbox has not anything to do with it, btw, also /msg dpkg doesn't work
20:04.39Titan8990_Nixot, which updated what? what version of debian?
20:04.53NixotI try to open Network admin,  and it says "You do not have permission to access the system config"
20:04.55aaronCutMeOwnThroat, i do dhclient wlan0 but it does not connect
20:05.11Nixotso when I do it as superuser it shows me a severely cut-down version of the same dialog
20:05.20NixotEr
20:05.28Titan8990_Nixot, what version of debian?
20:05.30NixotI'm using Debian Lenny for Eee PCs
20:05.55Nixotis there a package of drivers or libs I can install to fix it?
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20:06.18Titan8990_Nixot, I have a feeling they have their own channel, thats the first I have heard of it
20:06.38NixotOo.
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20:06.40NixotWhat channel?
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20:07.00NixotAh- found it!
20:07.02CutMeOwnThroataaron, http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Wireless_networking  - find out what exacly fails - in the end, you should edit /etc/network/interfaces
20:07.03aaronhey i have a question i'm using fluxbox and how come. when i try to connect to a wireless network it does not work I'm using this command iwconfig wlan0 essid name
20:07.03unomystEzTitan8990: http://dpaste.com/116797/
20:07.10greycatI see an #eeepc
20:07.13unomystEzTitan8990_:
20:07.15CutMeOwnThroat!tell aaron -about repeat
20:07.19aaronok
20:07.20NixotFound a #debian-eeepc
20:07.25aaronthnx
20:07.42greycatmust not be on this network, unless it's Sekr1t
20:07.59Nixotit's on "otfc.net"
20:08.00NixotI think
20:08.03Nixotor "oftc.net"
20:08.05Nixotone of the two
20:08.13unomystEzoftc.net
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20:08.32Titan8990_unomystEz, what about: aptitude install sendmail-bin ?
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20:08.53unomystEzhmm
20:09.04unomystEzwhat's the difference between aptitude install and apt-get install?
20:09.10unomystEzdoes aptitude build from source?
20:09.12CutMeOwnThroatunomystEz, let me guess, you're mixing distributions - or you're running testing/unstable
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20:09.25greycatno, aptitude just does fancier checking
20:09.31unomystEzno idea.. im new to Debian but I did add lenny-backports in apt.conf
20:09.33greycatthey both download binary packages
20:09.34XenguyunomystEz: the former is the new way; the latter is the old way
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20:09.40unomystEzoh
20:09.43unomystEzgood to know
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20:09.48themillHas someone said "don't use sendmail" yet?
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20:09.54NixotErrrr.
20:09.58Nixotthe channel is silent
20:09.59unomystEzthemill: forget about that
20:10.09unomystEzi need a simple MTA listening on localhost
20:10.12CutMeOwnThroatthemill, hehe
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20:10.15greycatunomystEz: I have a feeling you've somehow banged up your apt configuration
20:10.30greycatalso, sendmail is not what anyone would call 'simple'
20:10.37unomystEzhttp://dpaste.com/116800/
20:10.41brianskiis there a unix built-in that prints the stddev, mean, etc. of a bunch of data on stdin?
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20:10.45unomystEzthat's for `aptitude install sendmail-bin`
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20:10.55unomystEzpj
20:10.56unomystEzoh
20:11.00unomystEzI suppose exim is installed
20:11.05greycatbrianski: not that I'm aware of, but you could probably write a function using bc(1)
20:11.09simonrvnduh
20:11.20unomystEzalready installed*
20:11.34brianskigreycat: hrmph. thanks
20:11.36themillgreycat: can't awk do that sort of stuff?
20:11.39greycatbrianski: (or awk)
20:11.45simonrvnDON'T USE SENDMAIL
20:11.51simonrvn(happy, themill? ;)
20:11.58themillyay
20:12.42CutMeOwnThroatyeah, awk can - if it's only mean and stddev
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20:13.46brianskiCutMeOwnThroat: i haven't used awk in quite some time...  got a handy one-liner?
20:14.12CutMeOwnThroatno, but I had no problem finding one with google about 2 weeks ago
20:14.49CutMeOwnThroator so I think
20:15.13CutMeOwnThroathttps://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=awk+standard+deviation
20:15.27CutMeOwnThroatactually hit #1
20:15.33CutMeOwnThroat"I'm feeling lucky"
20:16.01brianskiCutMeOwnThroat: groovy thanks
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20:16.30Titan8990_unomystEz, yeah, you can only have one MTA on a system
20:16.38unomystEzthat makes sense
20:16.42unomystEzis exim4 standard on debian 5?
20:16.49unomystEzi don't recall installing it before
20:17.01asgunomystEz: it's been the standard for a long time
20:17.03Titan8990_exim4 is the default MTA and part of the "standard system" task
20:17.14unomystEzok, then that makes sense
20:17.17greycatexim has been the default MTA in Debian for many years now
20:18.33peterrooneysimonrvn:  whats the matter with sendmail, aside from its extensive configurability?
20:18.34abrotmansince greycat was blondcat
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20:18.42greycatbrianski: if it's one number per line, you can start with something like this:  awk '{sum += $1; n++} END {print "Sum is " sum; print "Average is " sum/n}'
20:18.47greycatabrotman: brunette, always
20:18.51abrotmanheh
20:19.02asgabrotman: dyecat
20:19.13brianskithx greycat i'm more comfortable with perl so i'm just gonna do it there
20:19.14abrotmanasg: justForCat ?
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20:19.18asgabrotman: hahaha
20:19.29greycatperl works too.
20:19.38abrotmanbetter than dye?
20:20.04CutMeOwnThroatpeterrooney, it's well known for its complexity and caused by that buggyness and hence security issues?
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20:21.28simonrvnpeterrooney: so's exim, and it has a better track record (not perfect either)
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20:22.57peterrooneyunderstood.  was wondering what the yelling was about.
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20:23.20simonrvnpeterrooney: the yelling was me joking
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20:26.12kazabeim doing a test with a text printer, but the condended led is disabled when send a print
20:26.13peterrooneypersonally, I hate sendmail but have to deal with it where I volunteer.
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20:26.21kazabehow can i prevent that?
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20:28.41printermanwhat can disabled the condensed printer option in a text printer?
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20:29.41greycatI don't know... let's ask printerman!
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20:32.15CutMeOwnThroathehe
20:32.24CutMeOwnThroatto the rescue!
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20:33.00greycatI actually printed some stuff today.  It worked pretty well, even though I had to download like 50 megabytes of packages to install cups.
20:33.51CutMeOwnThroatthat's a lot of cups
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20:36.59moshisush?
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20:40.51moshisushand if it works, will it be faster than using just one encryption for all disks?
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20:42.03jelly-homemoshisush: sounds like a TIAS
20:43.09epsilonmoshisush: raid/mdadm -> crypt -> LVM -> partiton & filesystem
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20:44.31MuisjeNLHello, i was wondering, i have 2 servers (Debian Lenny) now. Just a new one got today.
20:44.42MuisjeNLAnd i would like to have both servers contain the same data
20:44.48moshisushepsilon: i'm asking because i'm having performance issues with luks
20:44.58MuisjeNLfor example websites and such
20:45.05TauPanHi! I'd like to check if I understand the effect of APT::Default-Release correctly:
20:45.07crimzorepsilon: will performance be better if the raid is on top of the encryption?
20:45.14MuisjeNLHow can i do this, the best efficient and steady way?
20:45.25TauPanDoes it only prefer the "testing" distribution, regardless of origin?
20:45.37jelly-homemoshisush: ya know, if the crypt thing is single threaded and occupies just one core, you just might have a point there
20:45.56moshisushjelly-home: i've read that luks is single-threaded only
20:46.02TauPanso if I add an extra source which also claims it's "Label: testing" then it will be preferred as well?
20:46.08moshisushwhich is really the reason i'm asking this
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20:46.42TauPanthe reason is that I'm trying to add the 64studio repo, but I don't want it to override packages from debian unless I say so.
20:46.51pflanzeDoes anyone know how to make java web start work? (with sun java)
20:47.32greycatpflanze: ##java most likely
20:47.48moshisushjelly-home: and.. TIAS? :)
20:47.54greycatTry It And See
20:47.59pflanzeI'm getting "Bad installation. No JRE found in configuration file: No such file or directory"
20:48.05TauPanso in order to do this, I'd need to pin a lower preference for "Origin: 64 Studio"?
20:48.05moshisushgreycat: naturally!
20:48.09epsiloncrimzor: the order is fixed. LVM is optional, but highly recommended. you can swap crypt and lvm, but you need to enter password for every single partition
20:48.18pflanzeso it looks like an integration problem with Debian to me, greycat .
20:48.20greycatpflanze: what does "java -version" say?
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20:48.32pflanzegij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.2
20:48.33acuI want to mirror a system drive to a directory in another computer - if I d if=/dev/sda of=/home/mydirectory    it tells me that /home/mydirectory is a directory - my question is whether dd cannot do a ghost like image in a directory ?
20:48.40moshisushepsilon: entering passwords is no biggie if we get a performance boost
20:48.46epsiloncrimzor: raid should be always on top, if you use the whole disk
20:48.57pflanzegreycat: how do I set this? sun-java6-bin is installed.
20:48.58greycatpflanze: so, are you asking how to make your Sun java installation the default?  Try "update-alternatives --config java" perhaps.
20:49.09epsilonmoshisush: well most CPU will be cause of crypt
20:49.36themilldpkg: tell pflanze about update-java-alternatives
20:49.43pflanzeThanks
20:49.48epsilonmoshisush: LVM doesn't use much CPU. RAID maybe, if it's run via CPU - if unsure, compare the speed with and without crypt
20:49.58greycatah, didn't know about that one.
20:50.08justinpflanze: or just uninstall the other version of java that you don't want
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20:51.19crimzorokay so encryption under the raid then... what good does LVM do ?
20:51.20CutMeOwnThroatMuisjeNL, depends - you can just rsync/tar everything to a 2nd disk - easiest is when you have an external usb disk case - then plug it in the computer, boot a rescue CD and make it bootable
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20:52.24MuisjeNLCutMeOwnThroat, i want 2 servers online, constantly updating eachother and handling website viewers
20:52.33abrotmanupdating each other?
20:52.35MuisjeNLi want both systems to have the same data
20:52.40MuisjeNLcontinuesly
20:52.42TauPan'Package:*\nPin: release o="64 Studio"\nPin-Priority: 400' is what I'm going to try now.
20:52.52abrotmanTauPan: why are you asking for help here?
20:53.26TauPaninteresting question
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20:53.34abrotmanTauPan: please ask the channel for your distro
20:53.40TauPanI use debian testing.
20:53.43abrotmanbottesting: if you're actually testing a bot, do it somewhere else
20:53.48abrotmanTauPan: 64Studio is not part of debian
20:53.56TauPanand I have a question about apt_preferences
20:53.58moshisushepsilon: what good does LVM do?
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20:54.17MuisjeNLIt's not that i want data from 1 server to another. I want 2 servers online that change frequently and send modifications to the other server so 2 servers are "practically" one.
20:54.21TauPanas you may have noticed
20:54.23abrotmanTauPan: 64Studio is its own distro .. not something you just addon
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20:54.31TauPanapt_preferences is a part of debian
20:54.39abrotmanTauPan: 64Studio is its own distro .. not something you just addon
20:54.46greycatMuisjeNL: hmm, maybe unison?  Not sure.
20:54.52asgMuisjeNL: then mount the sharable data on a shareable filesystem such as nfs
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20:55.02TauPanapt_preferences is a part of debian
20:55.03abrotmanTauPan: IOW .. you're likely going to mess up your box trying to mix two distros
20:55.05twiggzE17 is just damn great.
20:55.08greycatNFS will work if they're on the same local area network.  I would not recommend it over the Internet.
20:55.13twiggzElive is an awesome debian distro.
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20:55.21abrotmantwiggz: tell #elive, not us
20:55.27twiggzI have.
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20:55.41TauPanwell, I'm trying not to, which is why I'm asking how apt_preferences works
20:55.55abrotmanTauPan: you'd do better to not mix two distros
20:55.58twiggzsorry, im not in offtopic
20:55.58CutMeOwnThroatMuisjeNL, what abrotman means is, you can't have things "update each other" if you get changes to both at the same time, you have a conflict... just like with CVS commits
20:56.01twiggzdidnt notice
20:56.02themillTauPan: it has a man page. We're not going to help you break your machine....
20:56.11twiggzstupid irc client
20:56.16abrotmanstupid user
20:56.19TauPanyou just can't answer the question
20:56.27twiggzok, lets start throwing insults around.
20:56.30CutMeOwnThroatthemill, why not? breaking things is fun!
20:56.33twiggzI bet I can outdo you, jackass.
20:56.38TauPanthat's why you pull out the flamethrower because I'm implying some other distro
20:56.42abrotmanTauPan: you're going to break the machine .. and then you're going to blame us
20:56.44themilltwiggz: you're not helping...
20:56.53twiggzI didnt start the name calling either.
20:57.02TauPanamazing
20:57.03greycattwiggz: please don't add to it
20:57.03twiggzBut I shall end it.
20:57.03themilldpkg: tell TauPan about pinning
20:57.06abrotmanyou accused the IRC client .. it was hurt
20:57.17abrotmanSDNWOTN
20:57.18MuisjeNLIt's fairly simple what i'm trying to do i think. i have 2 servers geographically seperated, instead of having 1 major server in 1 datacenter, i choose 2 geographically seperated. Incase something happens the other one still lives
20:57.24themillTauPan: feel free to read the fine manual.
20:57.30TauPanthanks
20:57.46MuisjeNLNow i need both server to contain the same data. I know how to do it with mysql master-master replication. Now i want the same with data
20:57.50epsilonmoshisush: LVM will make your life easier, f.ex. if you expand the RAID, LVM make expanding the volumes/partitions easier
20:57.54MuisjeNLand possibly some config files that aren't system dependant
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20:57.57greycatMuisjeNL: I still think unison *might* satisfy your needs.  Maybe not, but I don't know anything else that would.
20:57.57justinMuisjeNL: what data?
20:58.04MuisjeNLSo i need something like Rsync, Unison.
20:58.10MuisjeNLjustin, website content etc...
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20:58.23greycat"etc..." is a little scary.
20:58.26MuisjeNLphp/html/files you know...
20:58.27justinMuisjeNL: where does this content come from?
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20:58.35moshisushepsilon: fair enought! thanks
20:58.39TauPanthemill: thanks for the info, it's sometimes easier to understand if I don't have to work just from the manpage
20:58.45MuisjeNLUploaded to server by FTP by user
20:59.21MuisjeNLOne important aspect that it is capable of resolving conflicts eg: latest version wins
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21:00.02MuisjeNLSeriously.. isn't this something people normally do or ask?
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21:00.18asgMuisjeNL: you've been given several suggestions
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21:00.43MuisjeNLI mean... you really aren't going to tell me i'm the only IT person in the world who chooses to have geographically separated servers syncing
21:00.48MooseAlrighty, is there a very simple way to force SSH users to be chrooted to their home directory? or even do chroot in general? I haven't been able to figure out why Debian lacks the command, and Google has failed to return any useful information
21:01.24mesaGLwhat does chrooted to their home directory mean ?
21:01.26greycatMoose: You literally just want a yes/no answer?  "No."
21:01.33justinMuisjeNL: you need to figure out exactly what you want before you go and implement something
21:01.44asgMuisjeNL: are both backends to be read at the same time (active/active) or one being a backup (active/passive)?
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21:02.23justinMuisjeNL: do you need synchronous replication or async replication, if a file is deleted on one server should it get deleted on the other?
21:02.28MuisjeNLMoose: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/lock-user-in-home-dir-161374/
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21:02.50MuisjeNLthe second justin
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21:03.05MuisjeNLthey have to be identical copies as far as possible as fast as possible
21:03.12justinthe second?  I asked you two questions, 'the second' isn't a valid answer
21:03.25MuisjeNL:D
21:03.31greycatLooks like he only answered the second question.
21:03.33magyar_hi. can i run a virtualbox client (win-xp) on a server without GUI (no X ) ?
21:03.42MuisjeNLIf a file is deleted, it should be deleted on the other one justin
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21:03.49asgmagyar_: yes, virtualbox can do that
21:04.08TauPanso are you being rude to people on purpose?
21:04.09magyar_asg, what documentation do i need ?
21:04.27justinMuisjeNL: do both servers have to support uploads, or can one server be the 'master'?
21:04.28Moosegreycat: Actually yeah, I did. But MuisjeNL here linked me to something helpful too. Thanks you two :)
21:04.36magyar_asg, i use lenny server
21:04.37MuisjeNLAbout the synchronous replication or async replication. Both need to be master
21:04.42asgmagyar_: the pdf that comes with the package addresses all the ways to start a virtualbox vm (GUI, no gui, and other fun things)
21:04.53justinMuisjeNL: that makes things considerably more difficult
21:04.59magyar_asg, sweet, thank amigo
21:05.00MuisjeNLyay, that's good?
21:05.12justinMuisjeNL: making one the master would simplify things quite a bit
21:05.20asgMuisjeNL: that means you need to use a cluster filesystem
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21:05.30justinasg: no it doesn't
21:05.30MuisjeNLbut having 2 masters is major asswhooping
21:05.42justinasswhooping?
21:05.51MuisjeNLi don't want people not able to upload when 1 server is down that happens to be the FTP service
21:05.59justinMuisjeNL: that is what failover is for
21:06.09MuisjeNLand load balancing? :/
21:06.16MuisjeNLYou want all traffic on 1 server?
21:06.25justinall the uploads, yes, that would make things easier
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21:06.26MuisjeNLthats the point of 2 servers, get the load spread
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21:06.41MuisjeNLasg, tell me more about cluster filesystem i'll google it quickly
21:06.58justina cluster filesystem will not work well over the internet
21:06.59MuisjeNLis it possible to do that on 2 servers geographically separated?
21:07.41greycatMuisjeNL: do you really have so much upload traffic that one server can't handle it?  Usually download traffic is the only thing that people want to load balance.
21:08.23MuisjeNLi want both doing both
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21:08.35MuisjeNLis that so hard?
21:08.41MuisjeNLi mean i have a third server for fun
21:08.42greycatyeah, it is
21:08.49MuisjeNLi'd suppose i could make it a ftp server...
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21:08.55MuisjeNLstill i prefer to have all do it
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21:09.06MuisjeNLso i can keep that little baby for developments :)
21:09.27MuisjeNLSo rsync, unison are not capable of keeping 2 servers in sync in realtime?
21:09.44AthasWhat's the way to get a /dev/sequencer (that is, an OSS-style MIDI sequencer) on a modern Debian system?
21:09.50AthasI think ALSA is supposed to be able to do that.
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21:10.12justinrsync only does one way. unison probably won't scale
21:10.16nsadminAthas tjhere is probably still oss emulation
21:10.18justincsync might work
21:10.29MuisjeNLscale justin? You really think i want 100 servers like that?
21:10.37justinfiles, not servers
21:10.41MuisjeNLAny other expansion will be hardware wise not software wise
21:10.42mesaGLAthas: if oss emulation works for your chipset, it should be fine. but oss4 is a better bet for all things oss
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21:11.15justincsync can do multiple hosts though :)
21:11.21MuisjeNLI just want 2 servers geographically seperated so in the case of an atom bomb or a vulcano eruption or global warming / whatever, that i do not experience downtime
21:11.30nsadminwhy? is oss4 going to make it into the kernel? is it free software?
21:11.32justinMuisjeNL: try csync2 then
21:11.40MuisjeNLchecking... :)
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21:11.55MuisjeNLcsync is a file synchronizer especially designed for you, the normal user.
21:11.58MuisjeNLThat starts out wrong
21:12.00justinMuisjeNL: no, wrong. that is not what you "just want" hence us asking you a number of different questions to figure out exactly what the hell you are talking about
21:12.06justinMuisjeNL: http://oss.linbit.com/csync2/
21:12.16AthasmesaGL: well, all I know is that I've got some ancient software that's looking for a /dev/sequencer.  Is such emulation based on which sound card I have?  Could I perhaps make Timidity do it?
21:12.22mesaGLnsadmin: why ? becasue it works, that's why. if you *want* oss then what better to use than actual real oss ?
21:12.30MuisjeNLcsync is still in pre major version
21:12.52MuisjeNLow got the wrong site justin
21:12.53MuisjeNLthx
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21:13.29mesaGLAthas: if you load the oss modules, /dev/sequencer and etc should appear
21:13.31nsadminmesaGL: but "we" (whoever that is :) don't necessarily want oss... just the interface that looks like it
21:13.38PyroPheliahow do I tell which version of bind i'm running?
21:13.46abrotmanPyroPhelia: dpkg -l bind9
21:13.54MuisjeNLthanks justin it looks super duper awesome
21:14.04PyroPheliawhat if I compiled from source?
21:14.11greycatPyroPhelia: #dns
21:14.16PyroPhelia:(
21:14.17nsadminby that logic, we should all be running both alsa and oss
21:14.20MuisjeNLgives justin a hug
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21:14.51mesaGLnsadmin: which logic ? and most people actually are running both alsa and oss
21:14.58nsadminPyroPhelia: try dpkg -s bind9
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21:15.05AthasmesaGL: wait, are you suggesting that I install "real" OSS?  Would that even work when I have ALSA too?
21:15.08AthasDoes OSS even work anymore?
21:15.09ranixI'm using alsa oss-compat
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21:16.05mesaGLAthas: alsa has an oss emulation layer. just use that, if it works. if not, you need to use oss4. or you could use some other piece of software that doesn't rely on oss
21:16.29AthasmesaGL: where can I read about setting up the emulation layer?
21:16.34mesaGLffs
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21:16.48mesaGLAthas: if you load the oss modules, /dev/sequencer and etc should appear
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21:17.02mesaGLsorry for the repeat post
21:17.25AthasI see a bunch of references to a snd-seq-oss module, but I don't have that.
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21:17.50fronixDoes anyone know what the reason is that my MySQL server is so slow, it takes like 10 seconds to load my website the website is on another server than the mysql server but its still not so far so it takes 10 seconds both the servers are on 100/100 broadband and it doesnt matter what database i load its still takes forever
21:18.06mesaGLAthas: use timidity then. do you even *have* an outboard midi box ?
21:18.32azeemfronix: maybe your website is so slow, not mysql?
21:18.36asgjustin: out of curiosity, does csync work over ssh or it's own encryption scheme?
21:18.50justinasg: got me
21:18.53AthasmesaGL: no, I'm perfectly happy with software emulation.
21:18.54fronixNope ive tested that to and its loading fine from other mysql servers
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21:19.02justinmight need to tunnel it to make it secure
21:19.07asgnods
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21:20.27MuisjeNLjustin thanks, i already thought of that
21:20.47justinyou may want to setup openvpn between your two servers if you plan on running a lot of things between them
21:21.10MuisjeNLonce again thanks, old server runs openVPN ;)
21:21.21mesaGLAthas: i'm now getting more than a little frustrated with this. are you using ardour or lmms ? if you are not, then it's high time you did, instead of messing around
21:22.52ultralazerhands out happy pills for everyone
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21:23.10AthasmesaGL: I think we're talking past each other.  I'm not doing music production myself, I have an old piece of software that assumes an OSS-style /dev/sequencer for playing MIDI music.  I'm just working on getting that to run.
21:23.23AthasI think you are right that timidity is the best way to go, and I'm looking into that now.
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21:26.56nick_his there a way to format the output of "aptitude install foo" in the same way as the output from "apt-get install -V foo" ?
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21:27.10AthasHm, I can set up a named pipe as /dev/sequencer and make timidity play *that*...
21:27.18AthasMan, what a mess.
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21:37.22jeeves_Mossis there a simple way of mirroring a HTTP directory to my local machine?
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21:37.38maligorwget?
21:37.39dkrjeeves_Moss: wget
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21:37.50abbehi everyone
21:38.01jeeves_Mossdkr, is there a command switch that'll allow me to mirror all of the sub directories?
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21:38.09dkrjeeves_Moss: yes
21:38.10Kuriouz!hi | abba
21:38.11greycatjeeves_Moss: man wget
21:38.15abbei'm trying to unmount a filesystem, and I'm getting this error, that filesystem is busy.
21:38.19abbehi Kuriouz
21:38.24dkrjeeves_Moss: the man page even has examples. :)
21:38.25jeeves_Mossgreycat, thanks
21:38.37abbeI did 'lsof -n |fgrep -i mountpoint' but i'm not getting any results.
21:38.44dkrabbe: use fuser
21:38.48greycatabbe: in every shell that's sitting inside it, cd out of it.  If any process have files open in it, or were started in a directory inside it, kill them.
21:39.01jeeves_Mossdkr, I'm trying to set up a local Freedb database so I can rip CDs when I don't have a connection
21:39.02abbedkr: okay
21:39.06greycatabbe: if it's exported via NFS, unexport it
21:39.17abbenop, no nfs exports.
21:39.48abbedkr: fuser is for FUSE filesystems ?
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21:39.54greycatno, it's much older.
21:40.07greycat"file user" or something like that.
21:40.08Kuriouzabbe: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-10sysadtips/index.html?ca=drs- .. try trick 1
21:40.15dkrabbe: fuser -m /foo  will show all proccesses suing that mounted dir.  it even has a -k option if you want to kill the procs using it. :)
21:40.49dkrabbe: just a more elegant version of grepping lsof output, :)
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21:41.28dkrnote that a process doesn't have to havea  file open to be considered using a moutned partition though,  it can merely have a dir there as its cwd
21:41.41dkre.g. a shell
21:41.47abbefuser -k <mountpoint> doesn't list anything :(
21:42.06dkrabbe: -k is the option to kill stuff, -m is the option to show stuff at specific moutnpount
21:42.59abbedkay`off: sorry, I didn't mean to type '-k'
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21:44.38abbe:(
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21:45.04abbeThis is an LVM volume, mounted in a xen dom0 in lenny.
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21:48.33az___i have questioj
21:48.35az___i have question
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21:48.56nsadminsteals questioj and dribbles downcourt!
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21:50.03nsadminaz___:
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21:50.05nsadmin!ask
21:50.05dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:51.18wilberfanWhat does it mean when a package i've been using in Squeeze is no longer in the repos?  (BFilter)  It's still in Sid, I believe...
21:51.19gparentHey there, if I do not use the kernel that comes with Debian, instead relying on my own custom kernel, is it safe to remove linux-image-2.6.26 from my packages?
21:51.35abbeany other thoughts anyone, what could be wrong with it ? what is preventing that filesystem from unmounting...
21:51.43abbei can remount the filesystem R/O
21:52.10az___how delete ssh from autostart
21:52.16az___and start it only manualy when i wanna
21:52.19az___i mean server ssh
21:52.20fbhgparent: Well if you are not using the kernel you can remove it.
21:52.23az___and then how start it..
21:52.39gparentOkay, was just making sure before removing it in case it had any nasty side effects.
21:52.40gparentThanks.
21:53.38nsadminaz___: look in the dir /etc/init.d
21:53.47nsadminmost of those are start/stoppable
21:54.13az___but i dont wanna load it on start
21:54.24nsadminunderstood.
21:55.04nsadminbut in answer to your second question... you would start any of those manually with /etc/init.d/whatever start
21:55.19abbeaz___: update-rc.d -f ssh remove OR something like that.
21:55.19nsadminand stop with /etc/init.d/whatever stop
21:55.23fbhaz___: remove it from the rc dirs
21:55.48nsadminthen, these guys are answering your first q
21:56.05az___fbh: and what when i will wanna start it?
21:56.06az___:<
21:56.16fbhaz___: /etc/init.d/ssh start
21:56.23nsadminaz___: have you been listening?
21:56.32az___nsadmin: that stop only
21:56.35nsadminno
21:56.36abrotmanfbh: it's openssh-server on lenny
21:56.39az___but load on start
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21:58.05az___/etc/rc2.d/S18ssh
21:58.10az___i need only remove it ?
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21:58.15az___to dont have it on start?
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21:58.24fbhabrotman: in the multi user runlevels isnt it just the XXXssh?
21:58.26spaceplukaz__: I usually do: service whatever [start|stop] instead of: /etc/init.d/whatever [start|stop]. I find it easier to type.
21:58.35az___i know
21:58.38az___but it start and stop
21:58.40abrotmanfbh: the init script is /etc/init.d/openssh-server
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21:58.45az___when i stop it and restart
21:58.47az___it will work
21:58.59fbhabrotman: Not on my servers
21:59.18abrotmanfbh: the either you're not using Lenny/Squeeze/Sid .. or you're not using the Debian packages for ssh
21:59.25YuiJinwhy am i use debian bugzilla?
21:59.35az___22:55 < abbe> az___: update-rc.d -f ssh remove OR something like that.
21:59.36az___that work
21:59.40az___i think
21:59.45abrotmanfbh: uh .. ignore me ?
21:59.45az___because that delete /etc/rc2.d/S18ssh
21:59.57abrotmanfbh: i was thinking of the package name .. sorry
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22:00.01fbhabrotman: I am indeed using debian.. 5.0.3 and it's called ssh just
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22:00.57fbhabrotman: Yeah, I know that
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22:02.02fbhaz___: Debians default runlevel is 2, so that should do fine.
22:02.32az___i restarting now
22:02.33az___and check
22:02.44grantkI have a nfs share that gives no_root_squash permissions to the client I am mounting it on, yet I still can not write to this mount, I am using automount, has anyone ran into this before/
22:02.45grantk?
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22:04.02az___works \o/
22:04.04az___thx
22:04.05fbhgrantk: Are you using the share as root?
22:04.05az___:*
22:04.12fbhaz___: Your welcome.
22:04.36az___i love debian
22:04.45redtapeif i run apt-get upgrade and it pulls down a new kernel, will that clobber my shiny nvidia configured one I have installed already?
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22:05.43valdynredtape: if the package name is different it will *add* another
22:05.59valdynredtape: if the package name is *not* different then it wont change anything regarding your nvidia installtion
22:06.29fbhredtape: If you dont want to mess with it you can lock the kernel
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22:08.22redtapemy nvidia stuff is all modules i think
22:08.29abbesolved his problem..:)
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22:11.35redtapeok, check this out: http://pastebin.com/m597ad0e9
22:11.53redtapeThats some information on my upgrade
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22:12.17abrotmanredtape: they should, there's no ABI change
22:12.38redtapeok! here goes nothing!
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22:12.42redtapeI'll let you know.
22:12.46redtapethanks for the advice
22:13.02Kuriouzredtape: they only problem i've ever had was having to recompile the module because i have a dual monitor setup
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22:13.51lszyba1hello, i'm having this problem for the 5th time...my shift key is not working. the only way to get it to work is to reboot debian would anybody know how to troubleshoot that....is the a command that would tell me if shift key is working or what is it linked to...
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22:14.19Kuriouzlszyba1: in X or terminal?
22:14.21justinlszyba1: xev
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22:14.52wxlhowdy folks.. so i'm going to do some downloading and there are lots of CDs, plus "businesscard", plus lots of update CDs
22:15.10wxlso what's the businesscard and what are all the different CDs (update and not) all about?
22:15.22abrotmanwxl: you probably just want the netinst if it's just for a single machine or three
22:15.25lszyba1koriouz; in all...gnome, terminal...
22:15.50fbhwxl: and you have teh internets on the computer you are installing
22:15.50wxlyeah well i understand what the net install is, what's everything else about?
22:16.00wxli'm not looking for advise so much as an understanding
22:16.03abrotmanwxl: more offline type of installations
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22:16.08Kuriouzlszyba1: i mean tty terminal...there also
22:16.17abrotmanwxl: or if you have a fast internet where you're getting the CDs, but slow internet where you are installing
22:16.19wxlspecifics are specifically what i'm looking for.....
22:16.26justinKuriouz: do both of your shift keys stop working?
22:16.41wxllet's start with something simple:  what's "businesscard"
22:16.42wxl?
22:16.52fbhwxl: netinst allows you to install a very very minimalistic version of debian.  business card ONLY contains the installer.
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22:17.01wxlk good
22:17.12wxlwhat are the different "cd"s 1-8?
22:17.13lszyba1justin; i get shift l pressed,,,,released....yes both are not working
22:17.19fbhwxl: Full debian
22:17.23wxlassumedly 1 is the only required one and 2-8 are additional packages?
22:17.36nsadminyou don't need 1
22:17.43fbhwxl: Well you can't assume that because that all depends on what you install.
22:17.50nsadminbecause all packages are on the net
22:17.56justinlszyba1: looks like the key itself is working fine
22:18.11justinlszyba1: did you enable the accessibility features?
22:18.13fbhwxl: But if it has internet, use netinst disc and download the packages you need live. That also gives you most recent packages.
22:18.18nsadminonce you get the base installed and the net connected, you don't need anything but the net
22:18.30abrotmanwxl: please just use the netinst
22:18.30wxlwhat are the update cds all about?
22:18.42abrotmanwxl: offline .. no internet
22:18.48lszyba1justin; how do i do that....or maybe there is a shortcut for it...
22:19.13nsadminwxl: what is your arch and your net card? what os are you running on that same machine now?
22:19.13justinlszyba1: in the gnome preferences menu
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22:20.02wxlppc.. apple.. that machine is technically not entirely alive right now
22:20.06nsadminif I'm going to be lazy, I want my lazy effort to extend as far as possible...
22:20.06MuisjeNLWhen installing mysql i get weird error from apt-get http://pastebin.com/m5b7a018
22:20.42fbhwxl: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/   The magic answers to all your questions.
22:20.55wxlyey finally
22:20.55justinMuisjeNL: try making that file
22:21.09lszyba1justin; i see appearance and assistive technology..only..
22:21.14justinlszyba1: that's it
22:21.27justinMuisjeNL: or see what exactly /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst is trying to do
22:21.50fbhwxl: Thanks for the overwhelming appreciation for our effort to help you.
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22:21.58MuisjeNLI've never had this before. it normally just downloaded installed and created the files.
22:22.01lszyba1justin; assistive technology is disabled...
22:22.04wxloh don't be some grumpy, i appreciate it
22:22.11MuisjeNLyou tell me now i have to start creating files which used to be default?
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22:22.27justinMuisjeNL: check the BTS
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22:22.34MuisjeNLBTS?
22:22.53nsadminwxl: what do you mean by "technically not alive" specifically?
22:23.35MuisjeNLjustin, BTS?
22:23.35wxlmeaning no os
22:23.39adb<PROTECTED>
22:23.41justin!+bts
22:23.41dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber .  aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too.  Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS.  Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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22:23.58nsadminoh ok, so it's probably a working machine, just nothing on it
22:24.23wxlmore or less yep, nsadmin
22:24.47wxlwhich brings me to another point.. is there a live cd/img for usb for ppc?
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22:27.37lszyba1any other ideas why shift key would somehow get locked....i'm not able to type any capital letters...etc...
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22:27.49magyar_asg, i don't see any pdf docs in virtualbox
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22:28.03nsadminwxl: there may be more specifics available on #debian-ppc
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22:28.34wxloh!
22:28.42wxlheh sorry nsadmin :D
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22:32.08Kuriouzmagyar_: pdf in what target OS?
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22:33.41sthonAnyone know what might cause fail2ban to not ban anything? fail2ban-regex works, it finds thousands of matches but it won't ban...
22:34.04grantkso has anyone had any no_root_squash problems with nfs on lenny?
22:34.07sthondebian etch with a bpo of fail2ban 8.3-1
22:34.37sthongrantk: yeah, and a lot of stale nfs file handles
22:35.20grantkhmm, well I have a share that does not allow root to write to it, but no_root_squash is specified on the server side
22:35.32grantkI checked all uid and gid's as well
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22:35.47grantkthe only time the root user can write is if I change the permissions to 777
22:36.09grantkoh, I am using autofs as well
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22:37.38nsadmingrantk autofs shouldn't affect it... but if it uses mount that could add mount options for the particular type (root squash could be one of those)
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22:38.21grantkI have tried adding the option no_root_squash to the auto.home and if I recall it gave me an error
22:38.32[Jasper]how can i see what program runs on a specific port?
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22:39.12nsadminmaybe depends on what error you got... there are lotsa different errors and for each, there could be more specific information
22:39.34abrotman[Jasper]: fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
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22:39.58[Jasper]thanks abrotman
22:39.58nsadminso it would be helpful if you're expecting someone to evaluate the presence of the error if you were to provide the exact text of it
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22:40.32grantknsadmin: well, I guess it did not give me an error, I set options to rw,no_root_squash and root is still denied write permissions
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22:40.58grantknsadmin: the dir is owned by root and has 755 permissions as well
22:41.10nick_his there a way to format the output of "aptitude install foo" in the same way as the output from "apt-get install -V foo" ?
22:41.59dondelelcaronick_h: it's meant to be human readable; why would you bother?
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22:42.34nsadminoic, so when you say you get an error you mean you still get permission denied... good to know
22:43.06nsadminwhat is it you're trying to do with the dir?
22:43.09grantkwell, my memory is bad I guess because I thought there was an actual error when trying to restart autofs after specifying the no_root_squash option in auto.home, but there was not
22:43.15grantkI need to write to it
22:43.20grantknsadmin: as the root user
22:43.24nsadminin what way?
22:43.33nsadmincreate a file? rename the dir?
22:43.42grantknsadmin: I have a script that creates pdf's
22:43.49nsadminchange an attrib?
22:43.54nsadminso create a file in the dir.
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22:44.19nsadminwhat lang is the script written in?
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22:44.26grantknsadmin: python
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22:44.47grantknsadmin: I do not follow on the attrib?
22:45.20grantknsadmin: do you mean the read/write/execute permissions?
22:45.34nsadmingrantk: (irrelevent but) files can have attributes other than perms and the name
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22:59.52devinUsing debian 5.0.3 squeeze. where firefox at? can't find it in the repository heres my sources.list http://pastebin.com/m5eb3e650
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23:00.14tuvis there a utility that allows me to search for an open window with its name or the name of the application?
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23:00.46tuve.g. search by window class
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23:01.28LtLdevin: look for iceweasel
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23:03.09tuantubdevin: under debian firefox has his name iceweasel :)
23:03.31tuvlook for the ugly icon
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23:03.36devin_lol ok
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23:04.30jelly-homedevin_: um, 5.0.3 is lenny, not squeeze
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23:05.11tuantubdoes anyone here know the switch for diff command to create patch between 2 dirs?
23:05.15jelly-homeyou seem to be using a testing release, what will eventually become 6.0 one day
23:05.52CutMeOwnThroatman diff does
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23:06.04CutMeOwnThroat-r comes to mind
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23:06.13CutMeOwnThroat-u is usual in patches
23:06.35tuantubi tried -rcBN and -rupN but i failed while trying to patch :(
23:06.38jelly-home-N to catch new/nonexistinf files
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23:07.11devin_so why is firefox named iceweasel ?
23:07.18jelly-home!why iceweasel
23:07.18dpkgDue to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos.  One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.  Ask me about <dfsg>.
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23:07.59devin_nevermind that question
23:08.26bloopletechIs there a way to get dpkg / aptitude to list only the packages I've installed over the base system
23:09.14abrotmanbloopletech: you could list them by priority
23:10.07bloopletechabrotman: ok, how do I do that?
23:10.23abrotmanaptitude search "~i~poptional" or something like that
23:11.27themillaptitude search '~i !~pstandard !~prequired !~pimportant'
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23:11.39devin_does debian do compiz out of the box? I can't tell cause im in a VM
23:12.08bloopletechthanks themill, but I'm not sure if the list is right or not
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23:14.19CutMeOwnThroatthat's why it's you who's asking and themill who's writing the complicated answers
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23:14.39bloopletechCutMeOwnThroat: ooh burn
23:15.05tuvdevin_: compiz is not installed by default, if that's what you're asking, but is easily installable
23:15.07themillisn't entirely convinced that the output is right either...
23:15.29CutMeOwnThroatdammit, themill you're backstabbing me
23:15.41devin_tuv oh ok, just wondering
23:15.42jelly-homehas to ~p
23:15.57themillCutMeOwnThroat: et tu brute
23:15.59tuvi want a tool that allows me to go to an open window by name. does one exist?
23:16.34CutMeOwnThroatI hate these wriggly things in the aptitude searches
23:16.45jelly-homeCutMeOwnThroat: you'd hate mutt.
23:16.59CutMeOwnThroatpine!
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23:17.13themillCutMeOwnThroat: would you prefer "?priority(standard)"
23:17.14bloopletechCutMeOwnThroat: they're called tildes
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23:17.52CutMeOwnThroatthemill, that's just as bad... and is in even more need of escaping
23:18.20CutMeOwnThroatbloopletech, no! do tell! amazing, the things we can learn in here!
23:18.24themillCutMeOwnThroat: if you're using zsh all the ~ need escaping too. And the ! are a pain...
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23:21.47CutMeOwnThroatzsh has the advantage though, that it does autocomplete on all that crap
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23:22.22CutMeOwnThroatmy bash tries to autocomplete filenames after aptitude search
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23:24.51CutMeOwnThroatbloopletech, but feel free to correct the hell out of themill - all those wriggly snake things are documented in  /usr/share/aptitude/README  (well, he's mainly using ~p) and it also writes a bit on priorities
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23:25.00CutMeOwnThroat@$%#@%#@^#@$%#@%#@%@#$%@#
23:25.16CutMeOwnThroatwell, at least he left 1 second *after* I hit enter
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23:25.44CutMeOwnThroatbloopletech, but feel free to correct the hell out of themill - all those wriggly snake things are documented in  /usr/share/aptitude/README  (well, he's mainly using ~p) and it also writes a bit on priorities
23:25.56themill!aptitude search
23:25.56dpkgi guess aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html or ask me about <aptitude docs>
23:26.02macrobattuv: maybe wmctrl is what you want
23:26.17CutMeOwnThroatI would like that the freaking man or info page documents that, though
23:26.25bloopletechCutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for that, I decided to use my brain's searching support and work out the packages I'd need by hand.
23:26.32CutMeOwnThroathehe
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23:27.15CutMeOwnThroatthere should also be a document on priorities _somewhere_
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23:27.21lolufailhi
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23:28.00lolufailwhere would I go to for general questions about virtualisation under linux?
23:28.14lolufailsuch as xen vs [something] or, xen AND linux-vserver possible?
23:28.38CutMeOwnThroatgoogle?
23:28.40CutMeOwnThroathides
23:28.53lolufail:D
23:29.16lolufailI'll try here, since it's for my debian system :D
23:29.27lolufailcan I use Xen and linux-vserver simultaneously?
23:29.46themillCutMeOwnThroat: package priorities are documented in §2.5 of policy
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23:30.20CutMeOwnThroatthought it'd be something simple as that :)
23:30.33CutMeOwnThroatbloopletech, package priorities are documented in §2.5 of policy
23:30.38CutMeOwnThroatthemill, :-P
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23:39.12vi390hi, I have a lot of "no pwd entry for UID xxx" hanging around when I do "lsof". Its after starting some self written daemon in python. Tried to run it as different user, but I have no success getting it to run as anything else than root. Well there is no problem with that, ut I want to get rid of the no pwd entry problem. How does that happen, that I have so many of them?
23:39.54vi390have to say, its a virtual environment,(openVz) and Iam refering to the main machine
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23:41.56CutMeOwnThroatit's because it's a crappy script/daemon?
23:42.45CutMeOwnThroatwell, simple, add a user with UID xxx
23:45.10CutMeOwnThroatvipw and vipw -s are probably your friend there
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23:45.57CutMeOwnThroatah, I'm wrong "useradd -u xxx crappypythondaemon" should do
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23:47.36vi390CutMeOwnThroat: ok thanks
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23:49.14CutMeOwnThroatwhat I think it does is to switch userid to a hardcoded number
23:50.12vi390well after further investigation I see that its a Mysql Process from another VM
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23:50.53vi390at least I have something to track now (dont know why this process keeps hanging..)
23:51.52vi390what confuses me is, that its hundreds of entries. WEll, If tracking does not work I just add the user...  thx
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23:59.03CutMeOwnThroatand it's a number your /etc/passwd doesnt contain a user for
23:59.10CutMeOwnThroatit's all the same UID, or not?
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