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| 00:00.26 | leOn | i'm trying to rebuild sids 2.6.30 kernel and i've been following instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage , but i can't get past 1. on the "Building only a single kernel variant" section |
| 00:01.27 | leOn | build stops complaining about the debian/build/source_i386_none directory not being clean and needing to run mrproper |
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| 00:13.22 | nsadmin | leOn backup your .config (cp .config ~/config-kernel-2.6.30) |
| 00:13.35 | nsadmin | then run make mrproper |
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| 00:13.58 | nsadmin | then copy the backup back to (kernel source)/.config |
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| 00:22.28 | rgr | whats the best way to export a variable on the same line in startup allications prior to calling something? e.g like this "export MYVAR=1 && myApp" ? |
| 00:22.39 | rgr | applications |
| 00:24.06 | avu | rgr, if you want the environment variable set for just this application, just use 'MYVAR=2 myApp' |
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| 00:29.31 | rgr | I need to set an env. I could set it .gnomerc but am I guarenteed it is run before the programs in my session/start up applications? |
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| 00:41.52 | atomiku | QUick question |
| 00:42.17 | atomiku | My VPS provider's system clock (stupidly enough) is 15 minutes out |
| 00:42.26 | atomiku | can date only be changed on hardware? |
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| 00:51.15 | Brenden` | can someone help me? |
| 00:51.50 | adb | ask first |
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| 00:53.01 | Brenden` | I just installed Debian on my system for the first (been using ubuntu) and my wireless card doesnt work on it and it only shows my ethernet but i need my wireless |
| 00:53.12 | abrotman | Brenden`: what wifi card is it ? |
| 00:53.19 | Brenden` | Atheros |
| 00:53.29 | Brenden` | it doesnt say modle |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | you installed Lenny? |
| 00:53.36 | Brenden` | yes |
| 00:53.38 | abrotman | lspci would show the model |
| 00:53.45 | Brenden` | oh yeah well i get |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | lspci -nn would be even better |
| 00:54.00 | Brenden` | ok let me go try that |
| 00:54.01 | WastePotato | atomiku: ntp |
| 00:54.01 | Brenden` | brb |
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| 00:54.33 | WastePotato | My VMs seem to go out of time a lot as well, but ntpd works good. |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | Brenden`: you can't IRC from the Debian box ? |
| 00:55.34 | Brenden` | abrotman: no |
| 00:55.40 | Brenden` | i am on my home server |
| 00:55.56 | abrotman | okay .. anyways .. |
| 00:56.14 | Brenden` | i get for "lspci -nn" "Atheros Network Controller [168c:002a] (rev 01) |
| 00:56.15 | abrotman | should say like AR1234 or something |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:002a |
| 00:56.29 | judd | abrotman: [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 00:56.50 | abrotman | Brenden`: /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions on the website and instlal the .30 kernel at backports.org |
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| 00:57.17 | Brenden` | ok thanks |
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| 00:57.43 | abrotman | Brenden`: if you have more questions, don't be afraid to ask |
| 00:58.25 | prahal | anyone has a clue where does the definition of nameserver :ffff:0.0.0.0 comes from (I see it in my strace but not my resolv.conf and as eglibc/glibc resolver only read the three first nameserver this spurious one kills my ipv4 nameserver line , the two first behing ipv6 |
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| 00:58.54 | abrotman | prahal: mdns ? |
| 00:59.10 | prahal | those first coming from rdnssd |
| 00:59.26 | abrotman | i mean in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 01:00.10 | prahal | abrotman, yes . Only I though those where managed by their own 'managers' . Here nameserver :ffff:0.0.0.0 appears in libnss_dns output |
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| 01:00.43 | prahal | from the dns part of the hosts line in nsswitch.conf |
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| 01:04.42 | prahal | nope removing all the mdns leads to a smaller strace with the same three namerservers for libnss_dns resolver (which are my two first ipv6 then this last one nameserver :ffff:0.0.0.0 coming from nowhere |
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| 01:05.04 | prahal | and preventing my third line from behing used (the ipv4 one) |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | so it just says "files dns" now ? |
| 01:06.08 | prahal | this failure to resolve ipv4 (third line not read ) began this weekend ... probably related to libc6 2.10 though I cannot understand where in the code |
| 01:06.11 | prahal | abrotman, yes |
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| 01:08.32 | prahal | this kills kitten ... three nameservers was a bit short but ok ... but two that s too few for ipv6+ipv4 stations |
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| 01:09.13 | prahal | well it could be managed but still that means no fallback at all |
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| 01:16.24 | geeknation | is deb net install the smallest version if deb available? |
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| 01:17.23 | nsadmin | in that it only installs the base unless you (1) have a net connection and (2) select additional pacages or groups thereof |
| 01:18.02 | nsadmin | it's the smallest installer |
| 01:18.32 | geeknation | roe/ |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | well, not exactly |
| 01:18.35 | geeknation | ? |
| 01:18.46 | geeknation | thanks |
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| 01:19.59 | nsadmin | abrotman: I guess there were those floppy installers; I thought those were gone tho |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | !bizcard |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | there's the business card installer |
| 01:24.15 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:24.28 | nsadmin | what's special about that one... no base? |
| 01:25.20 | nsadmin | but anyway, I thought he wanted to know what the minimum you could install was |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | it requires the internet to finish the instlal |
| 01:27.15 | nsadmin | so netinstall is the smallest that has everything on the image? |
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| 01:31.09 | rdvonz | debian installation is stuck on configuring apt |
| 01:32.00 | prahal | ok this could be a bug in that this ::ffff:0.0.0.0 appears wherever I place the ipv4 namserver (if I put it second, the empty ipv6 ipv4 map appears second, if I put it third the en empty ipv4 appears third . Only if I put the ipv4 first did I get ::ffff:<my_ipv4_ns_ip> and proper resolve |
| 01:32.42 | nsadmin | sounds to me like it wasn't tested well |
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| 01:33.09 | rdvonz | !!! My debian installation is stuck on configuring apt? Can someone help me ples? |
| 01:33.11 | dpkg | okay, rdvonz |
| 01:33.32 | prahal | nsadmin, the smallest with everything on the image is the first dvd (should contain everything one need) |
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| 01:34.14 | nsadmin | rdvonz did you choose a mirror? |
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| 01:34.34 | rdvonz | of course |
| 01:34.37 | rdvonz | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:34.42 | nsadmin | ok |
| 01:35.08 | nsadmin | so after choosing the mirror, it gets stuck? |
| 01:35.26 | rdvonz | it gets to around 46% and then gets stuck |
| 01:35.32 | tempuser | nsadmin: what is the last entry on virtual terminal 4 say ? |
| 01:35.47 | tempuser | it is probably downloading something realy sloooooow. |
| 01:35.59 | nsadmin | ahh, I see |
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| 01:36.23 | nsadmin | rdvonz: can you switch to vt4 and look at the last line? |
| 01:38.06 | rdvonz | something very strange happened |
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| 01:39.02 | Open_ | http://video.pbs.org/video/1082087546 <-- does that work for any of you? I can get it to play on my windows computer, but not on this debian one. youtube works for me (I've the proprietary dmm flash stuff), but this doesn't, I find that to be very strange |
| 01:39.08 | rdvonz | Um, it's alot of garbled junk |
| 01:39.14 | rdvonz | should I restart and try again? |
| 01:39.32 | tempuser | rdvonz: like what? can you give us a little taste? |
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| 01:43.39 | waka | hi |
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| 01:44.23 | craigevil | Open_: plays just fine here, debian sid with firefox and Adobe Flash 10 |
| 01:44.29 | waka | i recently added xterm to my startup options but removed soon after because it was slowing my boot process |
| 01:45.11 | waka | now that it no longer starts at startup my background image still hangs for about 2 minutes still |
| 01:45.20 | Open_ | craigevil, ah. flash 10, eh. I think I've 9. I guess that explains it. |
| 01:45.40 | Open_ | hmm, well, thanks anyway. :( I'd been to scared to upgrade (mostly due to my technical incompetence) |
| 01:45.43 | tempuser | Open_: fine here too. lenny with ff 3.5.1 and flash 10 |
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| 01:47.34 | hedkandi | hello |
| 01:47.44 | hedkandi | can someone give me a hand creating a debian package? |
| 01:47.49 | hedkandi | dh_make is saying this: |
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| 01:48.03 | hedkandi | You should also |
| 01:48.03 | hedkandi | check that the feedwriter Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / . |
| 01:48.07 | hedkandi | like ??? |
| 01:48.10 | hedkandi | huh??? |
| 01:48.12 | hedkandi | you what? |
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| 01:53.38 | abrotman | hedkandi: possibly try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:53.55 | rdvonz | nsadmin: I tried a different source, stuck on 37% |
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| 01:54.44 | somiaj | I have a strange issue when working with symbolic links. For example if I want to change a link location I have to remove the old link. if i have /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.28 is there a way to do 'ln -fs /usr/src/linux/2.6.31 /usr/src/linux' without removing the link first? |
| 01:55.03 | somiaj | also is there a way to change the owernership of the link to another user without removing it and letting the new user create it? |
| 01:55.11 | nsadmin | rdvonz: what sense can you make of the lines in vt4? |
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| 01:55.40 | nsadmin | somiaj: changing ownership is limited to root only |
| 01:55.57 | nsadmin | only root can do that |
| 01:56.07 | matt7676 | I have a small local area network with 25 Windows XP hosts and two Windows servers + Debian Lenny router/gateway. The problem is that one or more Windows hosts are infected by a virus, which sends out spam. How can I detect the problematic machine? Using "tcpdump -i eth0 -n tcp port 25"(eth0 is the LAN interface) on router/gateway machine? |
| 01:56.20 | somiaj | nsadmin: how would I do it, because what happens it he ownership of what the link points to is changed, not the link itself. |
| 01:56.49 | nsadmin | the command is chown |
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| 01:57.04 | nsadmin | take a quick look at its man page |
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| 01:58.28 | rdvonz | nsadmin: in-target Get3: http://ftp.misgru.edu/ lenny main packages |
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| 01:59.57 | matt7676 | nsadmin: as far as I know, this "tcpdump -i eth0 -n tcp port 25" command should be the best for this option. Or maybe "tcpdump -i eth0 -n -q tcp port 25". I just wanted to be sure :) |
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| 02:05.17 | somiaj | nsadmin: I know the command is chown. I think you don't see the question I'm asking. chown changes the ownership of the file the link points at, not the link itself. I was hoping there was a way to change the ownerwhip of the link. thanks anyways. |
| 02:05.44 | rdvonz | nsadmin: It looks as if its just stuck on a little 746 kb file, Wtf? |
| 02:06.07 | tempuser | matt7676: iptraf may be a little eassier for you to read....fire it up and select "ip traffic monitor" mode. it should be pretty straight forward to see which host is spamming by the number of tcp/25 connections. |
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| 02:06.27 | Gratz474 | why is firefox 3.5 not in testing? |
| 02:06.52 | somiaj | Gratz474: look for iceweasel |
| 02:07.01 | Gratz474 | i mean yea |
| 02:07.04 | Gratz474 | its version 3.0 though |
| 02:07.15 | somiaj | Gratz474: the name 'firefox' has non-free parts to it so debian makes their own free version. |
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| 02:07.28 | Gratz474 | yea |
| 02:07.29 | Gratz474 | but |
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| 02:07.32 | abrotman | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 02:07.33 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 02:07.44 | Gratz474 | i think i am using testing |
| 02:07.47 | Gratz474 | and its in there |
| 02:07.53 | abrotman | no it's not |
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| 02:08.03 | Gratz474 | i am using squeeze |
| 02:08.10 | Gratz474 | and installed iceweasel |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 02:08.12 | judd | abrotman: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.3-2 |
| 02:08.15 | rdvonz | nsadmin: Help me! |
| 02:08.18 | hedkandi | abrotman: thx |
| 02:08.22 | rdvonz | nsadmin: Please :D |
| 02:08.33 | Gratz474 | abrotman, isn't squeeze testing? |
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| 02:09.13 | abrotman | yes .. what's your point ? |
| 02:09.24 | Gratz474 | iceweasel is in it ???? |
| 02:09.31 | abrotman | it is, but not 3.5.x |
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| 02:10.23 | Gratz474 | ah |
| 02:10.28 | Gratz474 | will 3.5 ever be put in abrotman ? |
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| 02:10.56 | Gratz474 | shold i just get the official version? |
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| 02:10.58 | abrotman | see the URL above .. |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | it has issues |
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| 02:18.38 | flourish | hi all, quick question. Usually which applications will write log to /var/log/debug? |
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| 02:19.10 | markybob | flourish, those that are programmed to. :P |
| 02:20.10 | flourish | markybob: oh yeah, i wake up just now :-) |
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| 02:21.16 | matt7676 | tempuser: thanks! iptraf is really easy indeed. However, is the "tcpdump -i eth0 -n -q tcp port 25" command I constructed correct as well? |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | that's what i think of when i wake up ... |
| 02:22.38 | markybob | i generally think "i'm never drinking again" |
| 02:23.06 | zhenia | that's what they all say bob |
| 02:23.11 | zhenia | that's what they all say... |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | better than "Uh, how am i going to get home.." |
| 02:23.25 | zhenia | you are not on nodose |
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| 02:23.31 | markybob | abrotman, heh, true |
| 02:23.59 | zhenia | best call in to work "I am drunk, i don't know where i am, I will be in when I figure that out" |
| 02:24.13 | zhenia | that guy became my hero that day |
| 02:24.14 | zhenia | lol |
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| 02:25.37 | zhenia | (and he didn't get fired) |
| 02:25.52 | zhenia | I guess they liked the honesty |
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| 02:26.40 | markybob | he should join the navy. |
| 02:26.41 | zhenia | Ok, I am at it again |
| 02:26.45 | zhenia | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 02:26.49 | zhenia | he was in the navy |
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| 02:27.02 | markybob | zhenia, that explains a lot. so was i |
| 02:27.13 | zhenia | damn it |
| 02:27.32 | morie_ko | pretends like that didn't happen |
| 02:27.55 | markybob | abrotman, do you ever see solomon anymore? you're just about the only pre-navy person that i remember was around when he hung out in here |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | who wha? |
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| 02:28.27 | morie_ko | I want to go in to the airforce as a techy |
| 02:28.30 | markybob | abrotman, he used to hang out here forever ago...i havent seen him since i got out of the navy. figured you might remember |
| 02:28.31 | morie_ko | but I don't want to get shot |
| 02:28.37 | morie_ko | or kill people |
| 02:28.41 | morie_ko | that's why I left Russia |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | directs morie_ko toward #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:30.22 | morie_ko | sry Abrot |
| 02:30.36 | morie_ko | anyhow idk why but the command is failing |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | which command ? |
| 02:30.57 | morie_ko | apt-get install apache2 php5 php5-mysql mysql-server phpmyadmin |
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| 02:31.23 | abrotman | first, use aptitude not apt-get |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | second .. you could probably just install libapache2-mod-php5 phpmyadmin php5-mysql mysql-server |
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| 02:32.37 | morie_ko | btw what's the difference between apt and aptitude |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 02:32.46 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 02:34.20 | rgr | My page down key has started generating a wrong key code having moved to debian testing. gnome-keybinding-properties doesnt run. can someone suggest how to debug/fix this please? |
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| 02:41.44 | rgr | My page down key has started generating a wrong key code having moved to debian testing. gnome-keybinding-properties doesnt run. can someone suggest how to debug/fix this please? |
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| 02:42.22 | Gratz474 | i would like tabl completion after a sudo command how do i make that possible |
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| 02:43.08 | morie_ko | I just sent my error output from aptitude |
| 02:43.41 | yousoboil | ok i got a new business idea, a service like this doesn't exist yet... i need you guys to tell me what you think or if you would use this service (this will be quick) |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | sent it where ? |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | yousoboil: wrong channel |
| 02:44.00 | yousoboil | ok... |
| 02:44.04 | yousoboil | where is the right channel? |
| 02:44.07 | abrotman | yousoboil: this channel is for debian support, not business ideas |
| 02:44.14 | morie_ko | paste.debian.net |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | you can try like #debian-offtopic or #defocus .. a socialchannel |
| 02:44.32 | abrotman | morie_ko: the URL would be helpful |
| 02:44.41 | yousoboil | but nobody is in that channel |
| 02:44.53 | yousoboil | theres like 870 people here |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | in which channel ? |
| 02:44.56 | morie_ko | # To see your entry as plain text use: http://paste.debian.net/plain/49943 |
| 02:45.14 | markybob | yousoboil, dont be stupid. why? why would you ever...? so people on irc can steal your idea? are you retarded? |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | yousoboil: this isn't a business plan channel, end of story |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | markybob: come on ... |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | morie_ko: so if you run 'dpkg --configure -a' ? |
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| 02:45.49 | morie_ko | i will try that |
| 02:46.20 | morie_ko | looks like it set up java |
| 02:47.02 | morie_ko | http://paste.debian.net/49944/ |
| 02:47.22 | morie_ko | last line read Processing triggers for menu ... |
| 02:48.10 | morie_ko | I thought I was installing phpmyadmin |
| 02:48.28 | morie_ko | did it do what I wanted? |
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| 02:48.42 | morie_ko | apt-get install apache2 php5 php5-mysql mysql-server phpmyadmin |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | morie_ko: USE APTITUDE |
| 02:48.49 | rgr | How can I determine what scan code a key is returning to gnome? My page down key is not generating page down messages in debian testing. |
| 02:48.59 | morie_ko | i know it's patitude |
| 02:49.09 | morie_ko | I am coping the guide I am using |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | ignore whatever stupid guide you're using |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5mysql mysql-server phpmyadmin |
| 02:49.46 | morie_ko | I am using google, because I would get flamed if I didn't search before I asked |
| 02:49.53 | morie_ko | ok, thank you |
| 02:50.32 | morie_ko | hey |
| 02:50.34 | morie_ko | I am not home |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | i won't be calling |
| 02:50.56 | morie_ko | It's asking to put the disk in |
| 02:51.02 | morie_ko | can I bypass that once and for all |
| 02:51.28 | morie_ko | because if you reboot it will boot in to the disk drive |
| 02:51.38 | morie_ko | I need a box that doesn't need babyciting |
| 02:51.41 | abrotman | put your /etc/apt/sources.list in the pastebin |
| 02:51.56 | morie_ko | can you elaborate please |
| 02:52.16 | morie_ko | oh wait |
| 02:52.17 | morie_ko | nm |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | put that file .. in the pastebin |
| 02:52.18 | morie_ko | sec |
| 02:53.35 | morie_ko | http://paste.debian.net/49945/ |
| 02:53.46 | morie_ko | Thank you for baring with me |
| 02:53.56 | AliceMargatroid | There's a game I've been playing for a while, but it broke when I updated Debian (I use squeeze). |
| 02:54.19 | AliceMargatroid | From what I can tell, it's lwjgl breaking. Is this problem known? |
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| 02:54.27 | AliceMargatroid | (The exceptions it's throwing: http://minecraft.pastebin.com/m58a6e135) |
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| 02:55.09 | abrotman | morie_ko: comment out the cdrom source, aptitude update .. it should stop asking you |
| 02:55.34 | morie_ko | Got it! |
| 02:56.41 | morie_ko | Looks good so far |
| 02:56.49 | morie_ko | Thank you |
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| 03:02.26 | Gratz474 | what is the best way to check why I don't have sound? |
| 03:03.12 | Xgates | If I use the netinst iso does it allow you to pick and choose what you want to install? Because when I clicked the graphical install it didn't give any options, just to install like a complete desktop... Was wondering if I did the 'install' without the graphical, I might be able to pick... |
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| 03:04.05 | abrotman | !tell Gratz474 about alsa checklist |
| 03:04.29 | Gratz474 | also whats the best way to force remove a package? |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | Xgates: it lets you use tasksel .. most people skip that and manually choose later |
| 03:04.38 | abrotman | Gratz474: you don't force remove packages |
| 03:05.02 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i installed a package i should not have a .deb but not debian and i need to remove it |
| 03:05.14 | Gratz474 | its causing my package manager to freak |
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| 03:05.19 | abrotman | so remove it .. |
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| 03:05.43 | Gratz474 | abrotman, it wont let me |
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| 03:05.49 | Gratz474 | aptitude remove that is |
| 03:05.56 | short_circuit | congenital defect causing chronic and sometimes acute infections. <at those who were following the 1300 mile away ex/ step daughter :( |
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| 03:06.19 | abrotman | Gratz474: why not ? |
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| 03:07.30 | Xgates | abrotman: I didn't see this, I only saw in the 'graphical install' like 8 options and desktop workstation I think it was named, was checked and another desktop, that's all |
| 03:07.43 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i really should not have done that |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:08.14 | Gratz474 | abrotman, E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 03:08.14 | Gratz474 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.21 | abrotman | Xgates: right .. it says like "Web Server", "Desktop" etc ? that is tasksel |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | Gratz474: oh jeez .. that package is for Ubuntu .. why would you think that would be a good idea ? |
| 03:08.51 | Gratz474 | abrotman, wont ever happen again |
| 03:09.01 | Xgates | yes, like 8 optons and 2 desktops were checked, but there were no further advanced options to customize and pick what you wanted |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | Xgates: you do it after the install is over |
| 03:09.14 | Gratz474 | abrotman, any ideas how to get this annoying package off here? |
| 03:09.41 | Xgates | abrotman: well what's the point of having a net install where you want to customize the installation, makes no sense... |
| 03:09.46 | abrotman | Gratz474: dpkg --purge --force-reinst-required adobe-flashplugin |
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| 03:10.17 | Xgates | it wanted to download like 797 packages, looks like to me it's going to install Gnome and I don't want that.... |
| 03:10.26 | Gratz474 | abrotman, dpkg --purge --force-reinst-required adobe-flashplugin |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | i said that |
| 03:10.32 | Gratz474 | sorry |
| 03:10.36 | Gratz474 | uknown option |
| 03:10.46 | Gratz474 | reinst-required |
| 03:11.05 | Xgates | I thought I could pick exactly every package I want installed, not some general desktop installation.... |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | Gratz474: sorry |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq adobe-flashplugin |
| 03:11.40 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up --force-remove-reinstreq adobe-flashplugin all over abrotman and dejones... |
| 03:11.46 | abrotman | dpkg: that's not funn |
| 03:11.46 | dpkg | no idea, abrotman |
| 03:11.47 | abrotman | y |
| 03:12.09 | dejones | :P |
| 03:12.33 | abrotman | Xgates: right .. you do it after the install is over .. you run aptitude and choose what you want |
| 03:12.50 | abrotman | or use apttiude from the command line like aptitude install twm xdm xorg |
| 03:13.47 | Gratz474 | abrotman, http://codepad.org/NnUiZUOI |
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| 03:14.15 | Xgates | abrotman: install of what? this thing has picked like a general desktop, so what is it? With 797 packages, seems like it's installing Gnome |
| 03:14.24 | Gratz474 | abrotman, i really knew i should not have done that |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | Gratz474: vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.postinst .. put 'exit 0' on the line after the shebang |
| 03:14.52 | abrotman | Xgates: yes, that's what it will do |
| 03:15.18 | Gratz474 | abrotman, already there |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | Xgates: which is why i said most people skip that selection window |
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| 03:15.33 | Xgates | abrotman: I don't want just some random general install that's why I grabbed this netinstall iso thinking I can customize what I want to install |
| 03:15.40 | abrotman | Gratz474: vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.prerm .. put 'exit 0' on the line after the shebang |
| 03:15.43 | Xgates | I still don't get what you mean by skipping that selection? |
| 03:15.55 | Xgates | what don't check anything? |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | Xgates: you can .. just uncheck all those boxes and end theinstallation |
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| 03:16.42 | Gratz474 | abrotman, its already says that |
| 03:16.58 | Xgates | ok I see, but the ncurses install or even the gui install don't have any advanced options were you can start to pick what you want, or you're going to have to boot the console and install from the cli with apt? |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | no way .. put that file in a pastebin |
| 03:17.26 | abrotman | Xgates: right .. i think they used to, but not anymore |
| 03:17.37 | Xgates | ahhh darn... |
| 03:17.46 | Xgates | ok let me look at it again... |
| 03:18.59 | Gratz474 | abrotman, http://codepad.org/ESUNRbxq |
| 03:19.06 | Gratz474 | abrotman, sorry i didn't read it clearly |
| 03:19.11 | Gratz474 | but still a problem |
| 03:19.18 | Gratz474 | jeesh i can't believe i tried to do such a stupid thing |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | Gratz474: i think you pasted the wrong thing .. i wanted the adobe-flashplugin.prerm |
| 03:20.22 | Xgates | does anyone know a fast mirror to use for the USA with the net install iso? |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | Xgates: i usually just pick the one nearest me |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | (though there are a few near me to choose from) |
| 03:21.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Xgates: there's a pkg that chooses the fastest - can't remember the name though |
| 03:21.12 | Gratz474 | abrotman, dpkg: warning: while removing adobe-flashplugin, directory '/usr/lib/mozilla' not empty so not removed. |
| 03:21.19 | abrotman | Xgates: or look at apt-spy |
| 03:21.22 | abrotman | Gratz474: so it wrked ? |
| 03:22.00 | Gratz474 | I guess so |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 03:30.00 | Gratz474 | abrotman, can you send me that asla message again? |
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| 03:30.11 | abrotman | !tell Gratz474 about alsa checklist |
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| 03:33.03 | roe | anyone know of a ARM server motherboard (preferably supporting dual procs)? |
| 03:33.11 | Xgates | so anyone know which would be a fast mirror out in the west coast? |
| 03:33.21 | Gratz474 | what should your pcm settings be at abrotman ? |
| 03:33.21 | Xgates | Alaska/Hawii/Cal? |
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| 03:39.49 | Xgates | ok if I pick 'Standard System' on this net install, anyone know what that includes? |
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| 03:42.46 | roe | Xgates, http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+standard+system |
| 03:42.49 | acidtripper | hey |
| 03:42.56 | Xgates | thanks |
| 03:43.01 | acidtripper | someone can help me to share a folder between two users? |
| 03:43.16 | acidtripper | i mean i wanna open /home/music by two users from diferent distros |
| 03:43.37 | jpinx-eeepc | acidtripper: permissions? |
| 03:44.36 | acidtripper | mm but there are different users |
| 03:44.53 | jpinx-eeepc | acidtripper: still permissions |
| 03:45.11 | Xgates | roe: I do know how to surf Google, been looking already, didn't find much... ;p |
| 03:45.18 | jpinx-eeepc | acidtripper: 775 |
| 03:45.27 | acidtripper | chmod 775 |
| 03:45.35 | acidtripper | /home/music? |
| 03:45.50 | jpinx-eeepc | acidtripper: -R |
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| 03:50.30 | Xgates | Aptitude is the preferred application installer now? not apt-get? |
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| 03:50.56 | acidtripper | i solved it |
| 03:51.09 | acidtripper | creating a group adding users to it and chgrp that dir |
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| 03:51.56 | roe | !aptitude |
| 03:51.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 03:52.12 | roe | hrm, that wasn't the factiod I wanted |
| 03:52.17 | roe | yes aptitude is preferred |
| 03:52.20 | Xgates | this will be good to install X? ---> aptitude install xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg |
| 03:52.22 | Xgates | ok |
| 03:52.32 | roe | sure |
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| 03:53.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 03:53.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 03:53.23 | Xgates | ok didn't know xorg had two parts, couldn't remember |
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| 03:54.46 | Xgates | oh forgot, since I just installed this from the netinstall, before I install X don't I run first? ---> apt-get update apt-get upgrade? |
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| 03:55.44 | Xgates | or do you do that know as aptitude-get update - upgrade.... |
| 03:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Xgates: before or after - it's ok |
| 03:56.15 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 03:56.24 | roe | aptitude-get is not a command |
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| 03:56.38 | Xgates | ok... |
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| 03:57.59 | nigihayami | Hi, I newly installed debian |
| 03:58.11 | nigihayami | how can I add testing repos |
| 03:58.51 | jpinx-eeepc | nigihayami: if you have to ask that - don't ;) |
| 03:59.04 | jpinx-eeepc | nigihayami: why would you? |
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| 03:59.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 03:59.32 | dpkg | from memory, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 04:01.25 | roe | jpinx-eeepc, obviously he is going to provide bug reports and triaging to help bring squeeze stable |
| 04:02.48 | jpinx-eeepc | roe: of course - silly me..... :/ |
| 04:03.38 | Xgates | well pekwm and BB seem to be the smallest installs for a WM, anyone know what version pekwm 5.0.3 uses? |
| 04:04.11 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions pekwm |
| 04:04.12 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: pekwm -- etch: 0.1.5-1.1 lenny: 0.1.5-1.4 lenny-backports: 0.1.11-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.1.11-1 squeeze: 0.1.11-1 |
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| 04:04.52 | Xgates | yeah I see all that here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pekwm but running 5.0.3 where does that put us? |
| 04:05.23 | Xgates | oh my bad I guess that's 0.1.5-1.4 |
| 04:05.27 | Xgates | darn that's old |
| 04:05.28 | Xgates | :( |
| 04:06.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Xgates: check backports |
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| 04:07.08 | Xgates | will it be stable? |
| 04:08.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Xgates: backports should be |
| 04:08.10 | Xgates | ok thanks |
| 04:08.33 | jpinx-eeepc | "stable" usually means "old", the newer, the less likely to be totally stable |
| 04:08.33 | Xgates | this url is good for the sources.list? ---> deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 04:08.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Xgates: that looks ok |
| 04:08.52 | Xgates | ok |
| 04:09.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Xgates: did you check their website? |
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| 04:09.19 | Xgates | looking here ---> http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 04:09.43 | jpinx-eeepc | I meant to see if the later version has been ported |
| 04:09.58 | DGMurdockIII | how do i install the lastest veron of videolann in debian |
| 04:10.06 | nigihayami | !non-free |
| 04:10.06 | dpkg | non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:10.33 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions videolan |
| 04:10.34 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: videolan -- |
| 04:10.37 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions videolann |
| 04:10.38 | nigihayami | !non-free sources |
| 04:10.38 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: videolann -- |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | [non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 04:11.56 | DGMurdockIII | how do i install the lastest veron of videolann in debian? |
| 04:12.15 | jpinx-eeepc | DGMurdockIII: read above ^^ |
| 04:12.58 | DGMurdockIII | how do i install the lastest veron of videolan in debian? |
| 04:13.35 | DGMurdockIII | it open source not non free software |
| 04:13.42 | craigevil | judd: versions vlc |
| 04:13.43 | judd | craigevil: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 1.0.2-1 squeeze: 1.0.2-1 |
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| 04:22.02 | fluorine | netsplit? |
| 04:22.12 | Andorin | Netsplit. |
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| 04:22.14 | Andorin | All across freenode. |
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| 04:22.26 | streuner__ | dpkg, netsplit |
| 04:22.26 | dpkg | netsplit is probably A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 04:26.48 | adamyarter | Hey all. I apparantly need to backport a copy of xorg. I've found a few resources, but need to ask a few questions before I think of continuing. |
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| 04:27.44 | adamyarter | Can I backport just the xserver and drivers, or must I backport all of gnome? |
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| 04:31.44 | jpinx-eeepc | adamyarter: why backport xorg? |
| 04:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !xorg |
| 04:31.58 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:47.09 | faheem | !kfreebsd |
| 04:47.09 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 04:49.32 | faheem | apparently too late... |
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| 05:06.13 | stanley | Hey all. Sometimes my audio works and sometimes it doesn't. It's totally hit and miss and I can't find a common grounds for why it doens't work. I'm on a Lenovo T400. I believe it used to work fine, but I'm not on my laptop enough to recall. |
| 05:06.34 | stanley | I'll have to reboot 4 or 5 times and then it will randomly start working |
| 05:06.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !alsa-checklist |
| 05:06.55 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 05:07.02 | jpinx-eeepc | stanley: ^^ |
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| 05:13.29 | Xgates | ahhhh now I can't make up my mind, pekwm, or openbox |
| 05:13.37 | Xgates | thinks... @_@ |
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| 05:15.37 | bildo | hi everybody, i have two wifi cards hooked up to my system (unstable), how can i disable both of them connecting to the same network? |
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| 05:16.08 | stanley | jpinx-eeepc: I find a few things funny. If I backspace and there isn't anything to erase, i get that error beep. I get no audio for anything else though. Even weirder is that when I try to play an MP3, it won't even play |
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| 05:31.12 | sepult | what the heck |
| 05:31.34 | sepult | why does an upgrade requires me to rid of my network card modules for the running kernel ???? |
| 05:31.51 | sepult | s/rid/get rid/ |
| 05:33.28 | sepult | i already installed the source version of them |
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| 05:33.48 | sepult | but that requirement to remove the network modules is not SANE!!! |
| 05:34.01 | sepult | at all |
| 05:34.12 | nsadmin | sepult upgrade of what |
| 05:34.40 | sepult | nsadmin: upgrade of system with apt-get |
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| 05:34.44 | somiaj | sepult: did the upgrade install a new kernel, and thus you have to recompile the modules against the new kernels source? |
| 05:35.16 | sepult | somiaj: that's what makes me think, why should a new recompilation need to remove the old modules ? |
| 05:35.31 | sepult | somiaj: if it's gonna compile them for the new kernel |
| 05:35.48 | somiaj | sepult: the old modules should still be there, they are just attached to the old kernel. If you botted up of the new kernel you won't have access to them |
| 05:35.53 | nsadmin | kernel modules are generally versioned, and the kernel goes thru changes in its data structures |
| 05:36.09 | somiaj | sepult: look at the kernel version vs your old kernel and your new kernel |
| 05:36.30 | sepult | somiaj: one is -2-686 the old is -1-686 |
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| 05:36.55 | nsadmin | what's your present uname -r |
| 05:37.12 | sepult | 2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
| 05:37.46 | nsadmin | so you'd have -2 if you boot the newer, correct? |
| 05:37.49 | sepult | nsadmin: that's why i had to install the sources for my network card, since the modules weren't matching the kernel |
| 05:38.00 | sepult | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:38.08 | nsadmin | what would be wrong with running the older kernel? |
| 05:38.54 | sepult | nsadmin: the think is i already have a -2-686 version installed |
| 05:38.54 | sepult | nsadmin: but not booted into |
| 05:38.54 | nsadmin | are both installed? |
| 05:38.54 | Xairoo | hi, just a simple question.. # uptime tells me that i have 2 logged in users (one is me, root) - but where is not a second (using # w -h and ps aux showes me only 1 open bash) where comes it from? |
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| 05:38.58 | sepult | nsadmin: yes bot are installed |
| 05:39.24 | nsadmin | so, what would be wrong with running the older one for now |
| 05:40.19 | sepult | nsadmin: i am already running the older one |
| 05:40.28 | sepult | nsadmin: why should i run the newer one ? |
| 05:40.34 | sepult | nsadmin: or boot into ?? |
| 05:40.47 | nsadmin | you lose your networking if you do, right? |
| 05:40.56 | sepult | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:41.32 | sepult | nsadmin: but not if i already have the sources for the network card |
| 05:41.34 | nsadmin | and it's because you have to compile the driver under the new kernel's headers? |
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| 05:42.07 | sepult | nsadmin: so /vmlinuz and /initrd.img links could be causing that ??? |
| 05:42.20 | sepult | nsadmin: which point to the newer one i think |
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| 05:42.33 | nsadmin | do you use grub? |
| 05:42.41 | sepult | yes |
| 05:42.57 | nsadmin | if you examine /boot/grub/menu.lst... |
| 05:43.37 | nsadmin | you should find that all the kernels and initrds are specified as the files under /boot rather than the links under / |
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| 05:44.04 | sepult | nsadmin: indeed they are, so what's the point ???? |
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| 05:44.44 | nsadmin | that you don't have to run the new kernel even if you upgrade your system... likely, you can run the older one for awhile |
| 05:44.55 | sepult | nsadmin: so the symlinks are ....not useful in any case ? |
| 05:45.08 | nsadmin | they don't affect menu.lst |
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| 05:45.28 | nsadmin | however, you can add menu.lst entries for them if you want |
| 05:45.31 | sepult | nsadmin: that's what i do at the moment, i use the older one |
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| 05:45.56 | sepult | nsadmin: they will be removed upon upgrade, you nut! lol |
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| 05:46.23 | nsadmin | so you can separate the two problems, one being, you have a new kernel and maybe you want to get it working, |
| 05:46.29 | sepult | nsadmin: all the entries together with the /boot/vmlinuz initrdbla will be removed when i upgrade |
| 05:46.49 | nsadmin | and two being, you have to compile the driver for the net card |
| 05:46.50 | sepult | nsadmin: i don't want the new kernel cause i already have it |
| 05:47.01 | nsadmin | the combination of these two problems produces... |
| 05:47.13 | nsadmin | you boot the new kernel now, and you have no net |
| 05:47.49 | nsadmin | but if you separate them, you no longer have urgency to get the kernel done right now |
| 05:47.49 | sepult | nsadmin: unless i recompile the network card module's |
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| 05:48.32 | nsadmin | right, that would be under an urgency situation, you would not have access to the net in case you forgot something you need, etc etc |
| 05:49.14 | nsadmin | but if you separate the two problems, you no longer have urgency |
| 05:49.35 | nsadmin | the gist now being, you have a choice |
| 05:50.18 | sepult | nsadmin: ok i done it |
| 05:50.24 | sepult | nsadmin: they get installed |
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| 05:50.31 | sepult | nsadmin: now we'll see |
| 05:50.50 | nsadmin | so you've built the modules? |
| 05:51.08 | sepult | nsadmin: the problem is actually with aptitude -s dist-upgrade, it always want's to purge stuff |
| 05:51.09 | nsadmin | then by all means, give it a shot... |
| 05:51.15 | sepult | nsadmin: but not when i use apt-get |
| 05:51.35 | nsadmin | what do you mean? |
| 05:52.14 | sepult | nsadmin: apt-get does not remove, aptitude does |
| 05:52.42 | sepult | nsadmin: i think i have it now, it's the config option of aptitude, purge non used packages or so |
| 05:53.01 | sepult | nsadmin: i should change that |
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| 05:56.35 | nsadmin | apt-get has had an unexpectedly long life especially when you consider it was only meant as a test of libapt |
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| 05:57.10 | sepult | nsadmin: i like it more than aptitude however |
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| 05:57.17 | sepult | nsadmin: don't know why |
| 05:57.59 | gartral | hi all, running latest on an *OLD* TP600E that has no networking. i cant find the rt2500 firmware anywhere |
| 05:58.14 | gartral | (for a wifi card) |
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| 06:01.39 | unitypunk | hola. |
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| 06:02.30 | unitypunk | im having problems with rhythmbox. |
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| 06:02.42 | unitypunk | but afik there isnt a room for it, is there? |
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| 06:03.32 | unitypunk | ohh yeah there is. |
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| 06:06.25 | unitypunk | http://unitypunk.pastebin.com/f4486d6b8 |
| 06:06.32 | unitypunk | anyone know how to remedy thaat? |
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| 06:16.23 | gartral | comeing from a base install, how does one add a deb that's been downloaded to a flashdrive? |
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| 06:19.00 | cahoot | gartral: you could: dpkg -i /path/to/my.deb |
| 06:20.19 | gartral | slooooow lppy |
| 06:20.24 | unitypunk | lol |
| 06:20.43 | unitypunk | couldnt you just add it to your sources.list |
| 06:20.54 | unitypunk | mount it somewhere |
| 06:21.04 | unitypunk | and add the path/to/my.deb/ |
| 06:22.10 | gartral | cahoot: thanks, but i now i need the firmware for the wifi card |
| 06:22.17 | unitypunk | doh |
| 06:22.26 | unitypunk | not old enough to be easy? lol |
| 06:22.43 | unitypunk | find an rt73 card :D |
| 06:22.44 | gartral | unitypunk: RT2500 >.< |
| 06:22.50 | unitypunk | ROFL |
| 06:23.03 | gartral | unitypunk: no money, have to make due, it'll work, just gotta fight it |
| 06:23.15 | unitypunk | ;) |
| 06:23.22 | gartral | unitypunk: please, can we be constructive? |
| 06:23.25 | unitypunk | itll come around if you kick it hard enough in the groin. |
| 06:23.37 | unitypunk | i have no solutions |
| 06:23.42 | unitypunk | only comic relief |
| 06:23.44 | unitypunk | :D |
| 06:23.46 | gartral | right, point me to the right boot and i'll get on tht :( |
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| 06:24.12 | gartral | cahoot: any idea where i can get what i need to make this card work? |
| 06:24.27 | unitypunk | do you have a wired connection you can use temp? |
| 06:24.32 | unitypunk | thats my usual solution |
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| 06:25.30 | gartral | nope. |
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| 06:28.47 | alinux | hi if I am using a couple of SCSI hard disks on hardware raid, is there a way from whithin linux to know how many hard disks physically are on the server |
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| 06:32.00 | Xgates | I have a minimal install and wanted to know from a netinstall with only the base packs installed are the kernel headers installed? |
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| 06:33.39 | roe | Xgates, you can check by going to /usr/src |
| 06:34.47 | Xgates | I've never known of kernel headers to be placed in /usr/src I've always thought this is for the source |
| 06:35.06 | Xgates | but that path is empty for me |
| 06:35.16 | roe | the source for what? |
| 06:35.25 | Xgates | kernel source |
| 06:35.29 | unitypunk | THE source! |
| 06:36.01 | roe | Xgates, what are kernel headers? |
| 06:38.42 | Xgates | header files define structures and constants that are needed for building |
| 06:38.51 | Xgates | know as .h |
| 06:38.57 | Xgates | foo.h |
| 06:38.59 | gartral | source code... the human readable (sometimes) code that makes your computer work |
| 06:39.23 | Xgates | well I've never known a distro not to install headers on a base install... |
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| 06:39.59 | Xgates | anyhow from the cli with aptitude whats the cmd to install the kernel-source? |
| 06:40.05 | gartral | Xgates: wont that cause severe issues when updating? |
| 06:40.07 | roe | they aren't much help without the essential build tools |
| 06:40.21 | SandGorgon | hi guys.. anybody know how to connect to a Win2003 server over RDP + SSL ? I can connect to non-ssl RDP machines just fine. |
| 06:40.40 | Xgates | well yeah I need the dev/build tools, that was my next question, heheh :) |
| 06:41.05 | roe | aptitude install build-essentials |
| 06:41.24 | Xgates | ahh Ubuntu uses the same cmd hehe |
| 06:41.34 | roe | the kernel source and building tools are hundreds of megs, I am glad they aren't included in a 'netinstall' |
| 06:41.41 | Xgates | what about the kernel source for 5.0.3? |
| 06:41.47 | roe | uname -a |
| 06:41.53 | roe | what kernel? |
| 06:42.35 | Xgates | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 06:42.44 | Xgates | thats what's in 5.0.3 |
| 06:43.00 | Xgates | for i386 that is.... |
| 06:44.02 | roe | aptitude install linux-source-2.6 should do it for you |
| 06:44.24 | Xgates | k |
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| 06:47.12 | gartral | does the dvd iso contain the make tools packages? |
| 06:48.09 | roe | no clue |
| 06:48.30 | roe | only have ever done netboot and netinstalls |
| 06:49.53 | gartral | i need to either dl the right cd, or find a pre-compiled version of the rt2500 firmware/driver |
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| 06:50.28 | Xgates | build-essentials there's no such package... |
| 06:50.59 | gartral | Xgates: could you clearify that statement? |
| 06:51.15 | unitypunk | gartral, dont you have the wondows cdfor your rt2500 card? |
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| 06:51.31 | gartral | unitypunk: nope! ^>^ |
| 06:51.36 | Xgates | I was told aptitude install build-essentials for build tools and I'm saying I ran that and there's no package named this... |
| 06:51.37 | unitypunk | wtf. |
| 06:51.52 | gartral | unitypunk: didn't come with one, it was $5 off ebay |
| 06:51.56 | unitypunk | i was gonna tell you to use ndiswrapper and the win cd |
| 06:52.10 | Xgates | ahhh maybe it's build-essential |
| 06:52.17 | gartral | i can't dl anything not on the cd or dvd >.< |
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| 06:52.42 | unitypunk | gartral why did you do this the complex way lol |
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| 06:52.54 | gartral | what do you mean/? |
| 06:53.32 | unitypunk | heh |
| 06:53.41 | gartral | this system has no hard line exept a v.74 modem... it's an OOOLLLLLLD TP600E |
| 06:53.49 | unitypunk | everytime i isntall *nx, prettymuch works out of the box. |
| 06:54.01 | unitypunk | get out the phone line. |
| 06:54.07 | unitypunk | hook up that sweet sweet 56k |
| 06:54.10 | unitypunk | :D |
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| 06:54.37 | gartral | to what.. i have a dsl subscription that's locked to AT&Ts crap router |
| 06:55.07 | unitypunk | eh... |
| 06:55.17 | unitypunk | im sure theres gotta be free dialup providers still |
| 06:55.30 | unitypunk | you have a landline? |
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| 06:58.38 | gartral | not reslly |
| 06:58.44 | gartral | really& |
| 06:58.47 | gartral | >.< |
| 06:59.05 | gartral | brb |
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| 07:01.15 | Xgates | darn I'm forgettig my cmds, I thought shutdown -f now shut the box down? |
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| 07:02.15 | Open | shutdown -h now |
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| 07:10.25 | Xgates | darn I ran shutdown -f now and now on reboot it's doing a fast boot, how do I disable that, I'm looking at the help and don't see anything |
| 07:10.44 | gartral | and im back |
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| 07:11.54 | Xgates | I'm saying when I startup the kernel it now says 'fast boot enabled' |
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| 07:16.33 | gartral | is the rt2500 drivers/kernal mod already in 5.0.3? |
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| 07:32.14 | RDev | Can somebody suggest me a Project-/Time-/Version/Issue Management and a Wiki? I'm starting a new project with 5 people. We will develop a midsized PHP applikation for the next 6months. |
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| 07:32.44 | RDev | we work on linux/windows and macintosh machines |
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| 07:35.04 | xyan | RDev: i'd go for git as version control system and otrs for issue tracking. not sure about the wiki, maybe mediawiki |
| 07:35.48 | xyan | RDev: project management software sucks, theres openproj / ganttproject but thats not really what you want since it runs locally not as a server application (and its a bit gay) |
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| 07:40.33 | RDev | xyan: I get every MS application for free, because we are students.. so MS Project maybe? |
| 07:40.51 | gartral | what cd contains the networking-vital packages? |
| 07:41.50 | xyan | RDev: to be honest ms project is better than every single linux solution i have seen sofar, msdnaa ftw! |
| 07:42.20 | jetscreamer | vital? |
| 07:42.31 | jetscreamer | but anything important would be on #1 |
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| 07:47.03 | gartral | what cd contains the networking-vital packages? i do'nt want to download that many disks >.> |
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| 08:02.16 | Xgates | I don't believe this crap, I run aptitude install gimp and I get installed, portmap, fam and hal for gimp? what the hell is that? |
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| 08:02.26 | Xgates | portmap, fam and hal aren't deps for gimp |
| 08:02.28 | Xgates | errrrrrr |
| 08:02.50 | Xgates | here's the pkg list for gimp: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gimp |
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| 08:03.11 | Xgates | boy #debian sure has died since Ubuntu came to town |
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| 08:03.27 | Xgates | I remember years back this place was a mad house |
| 08:05.37 | gartral | what cd contains the networking-vital packages? i don't want to download that many disks >.> |
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| 08:16.44 | martin12345 | I have a LAN with 25 Windows XP machines and one or more of them is infected with malware- they are sending out spam. I have a Debian gateway/router and would like to investigate, which one of those 25 computers is sending out spam. Is this the correct command to execute in Debian gateway/router: "tcpdump -i GW_LAN_INTERFACE -nn -q tcp port 25"? |
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| 08:19.05 | jelly-home | martin12345: looks reasonable; what's the double n supposed to do? |
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| 08:21.42 | martin12345 | jelly-home: second n doesn't map port number to port protocol. For example doesnt map 25 to smtp |
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| 08:32.00 | [Jasper] | hej guys, 686 is for everytthing pentium 2 and up right? |
| 08:32.16 | IRConan | jazz: earlier than taht even I think |
| 08:32.24 | IRConan | [Jasper]: sorry |
| 08:32.30 | azeem | 686 is pentium pro I think or so |
| 08:32.31 | Cromag | pentium was 586 right ? |
| 08:32.34 | [Jasper] | I need to know what version to pick of the kernel |
| 08:32.36 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 08:32.37 | Cromag | ah |
| 08:32.47 | azeem | [Jasper]: what cpu do you have? |
| 08:33.01 | [Jasper] | intel xeon p4 |
| 08:33.06 | azeem | that's 686 |
| 08:33.11 | WormFood | "penti" in the pentium name, is for "5"...because they couldn't copyright "586" |
| 08:33.18 | Cromag | hah |
| 08:33.25 | Cromag | fun. |
| 08:33.27 | [Jasper] | what is vserver-686? |
| 08:33.34 | azeem | vserver for 686 |
| 08:33.41 | azeem | if you don't know what vserver is, ignore it |
| 08:33.48 | [Jasper] | just wondering whatit is |
| 08:33.55 | [Jasper] | was thinking virtual server but that can't be it right? |
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| 08:33.58 | azeem | check wikipedia or google |
| 08:34.12 | WormFood | and what is really funny, when the pentium was new, one of my friends was using MS Word to type a document to someone, and they said "pentium", and the spell checker said it was wrong, and suggested "penis" hahahaha |
| 08:34.17 | IRConan | [Jasper]: it is virtual server |
| 08:34.39 | [Jasper] | vserver as in vmware server? |
| 08:34.43 | azeem | no |
| 08:34.44 | IRConan | no |
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| 08:34.52 | martin12345 | I have a small network with 25 Windows XP hosts and Linux router/gateway and one of those Windows XP machines is infected with virus and sends out spam. As we are using Webmail service I can easily block SNMP port on Linux router/gateway and then clean my Windows machines. However, how can I block the SMTP port? Is this command correct on router/gateway machine if my LAN interface of router/gateway is eth0: "iptables -A INPUT --physdev-in eth0 -p |
| 08:34.53 | WormFood | google for vserver |
| 08:35.20 | azeem | martin12345: your line was cutoff at "-p" |
| 08:35.23 | WormFood | in short, vserver is kernel mods to allow multiple virtual machines to share the same kernel |
| 08:35.53 | IRConan | but if you wanted to do that I'd recommend openVZ rather than vserver anyway :P |
| 08:36.00 | martin12345 | "iptables -A INPUT --physdev-in eth0 -p tcp --dport 25 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j REJECT"? |
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| 08:36.21 | WormFood | IRConan, why openVZ over vserver? |
| 08:36.24 | IRConan | martin12345: that should do it yes... |
| 08:36.47 | IRConan | WormFood: I can't say I've actually used vserver but openVZ seems to be what everyone uses |
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| 08:36.54 | IRConan | including me |
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| 08:37.04 | WormFood | seems that everyone I know is using vserver :P |
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| 08:40.14 | [Jasper] | I'm gonna use vmware |
| 08:40.34 | WormFood | nasty! |
| 08:40.36 | IRConan | [Jasper]: can I ask what you're using it for? |
| 08:40.43 | IRConan | and why vmware? |
| 08:40.47 | WormFood | vmware is great for running light things, as vmware is so heavy |
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| 08:40.57 | unitypunk | use Virtualbox. |
| 08:41.04 | WormFood | I would never use vmware for a production virtual server....for running windows it is fantastic |
| 08:41.05 | unitypunk | seems lighter then vmware. |
| 08:41.23 | IRConan | virtualbox seems a bit nicer to me... don't know why |
| 08:41.37 | WormFood | and if you want to use vmware to install Linux, to experiment with, before applying changes to your main computer, it is great too....but for daily use, as a server, I think it is to crashy and bloated. |
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| 08:42.10 | WormFood | without a doubt, vmware has crashed my system far more times than any other piece of software. |
| 08:42.38 | [Jasper] | ihmm |
| 08:42.46 | [Jasper] | virtualbox is better you say? |
| 08:42.48 | [Jasper] | then vmware |
| 08:43.04 | WormFood | I can't say, as I only use vmware, and I only use it to run winblows |
| 08:43.17 | [Jasper] | I'm mostly running linux servers |
| 08:43.23 | unitypunk | [Jasper] i liek it alot. |
| 08:43.25 | WormFood | I will install ubuntu in vmware soon, so I can support ubuntu users |
| 08:43.33 | unitypunk | but im on *gasp*win7 |
| 08:43.46 | WormFood | yes, for running virtual Linux servers, there are MANY choices. |
| 08:43.57 | IRConan | so... anyone familiar with debootstrap? |
| 08:44.23 | joltcan | vmware being one of them. I have not seen any problems what so ever with vmware running linux systems. It's more about picking the correct hardware for your servers |
| 08:44.23 | unitypunk | haha |
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| 08:45.25 | fredl | where should 64 bit libraries be put on Debian? |
| 08:46.22 | [Jasper] | I'm gonna use drbd with 2 exactly the same servers running vmware |
| 08:46.27 | [Jasper] | with hearbeat |
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| 08:47.57 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines |
| 08:49.40 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac-on-Linux <-- now THIS was a really cool program...I could run apple os on it, and even play games, with no noticeable difference in speed (I'm not a game player, I was just experimenting with it) |
| 08:52.58 | WormFood | one of the disadvantages of linux-vserver is "Networking is based on isolation, not virtualization. This prevents each virtual server from creating its own internal routing or firewalling setup."...does anyone know, off-hand, of something that does not have that limitation, but still has good performance? |
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| 09:00.13 | gothenburg | good morning |
| 09:00.41 | doubleclick | my Alt key stopped working in rxvt and xterm after reboot.. it works in gnome-terminal and other applications... |
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| 09:00.54 | doubleclick | any ideas? |
| 09:01.08 | doubleclick | left alt that is.. |
| 09:01.14 | gothenburg | aha |
| 09:01.51 | nsadmin | why did you reboot? |
| 09:02.00 | hark | why not? |
| 09:02.55 | nsadmin | if you'd like to help him, go ahead... otherwise hold off |
| 09:03.13 | kraut | moin |
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| 09:03.40 | nsadmin | doubleclick: why did you reboot? |
| 09:03.52 | doubleclick | nsadmin: accidentally :) |
| 09:03.55 | gothenburg | doubleclick: what WM/DE are you using? |
| 09:04.09 | nsadmin | oh ok, not saying it was bad or anything... |
| 09:04.17 | doubleclick | gnome + xmonad |
| 09:04.20 | nsadmin | so you're running the same kernel you were running before? |
| 09:04.26 | doubleclick | yes |
| 09:04.36 | gothenburg | gnome and xmonad? :o |
| 09:04.50 | hark | doubleclick: are you running squeeze or sid? |
| 09:04.57 | nsadmin | ok, so what other changes were made before you rebooted? |
| 09:05.02 | doubleclick | hark: lenny |
| 09:05.12 | gothenburg | lenny as desktop :D |
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| 09:05.47 | doubleclick | gothenburg: i guess i got old :S |
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| 09:06.07 | doubleclick | nsadmin: huh... it's hard to say, but i guess nothing major... |
| 09:06.13 | gothenburg | but urxvt doesn't work in squeeze :| |
| 09:06.17 | slave | nuss |
| 09:06.28 | slave | tem gente pra caralho aqui |
| 09:06.39 | hark | doubleclick: ctrl+left click and see try with meta sends escape |
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| 09:07.17 | slave | debhelper is your boot? |
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| 09:08.24 | slave | ok |
| 09:08.35 | doubleclick | hark: i'm sorry i don't understand.. |
| 09:09.17 | hark | doubleclick: in xterm, ctl + left mouse button |
| 09:09.46 | [Jasper] | hej guys, any eperiences here with drbd |
| 09:10.01 | farri | I am trying to execute a daemon within a shell with exec for accessing a libc6 library following this post http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=66 and I get some strange errors of permission denied for all files, who can h |
| 09:10.02 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 09:10.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:10.06 | farri | I am trying to execute a daemon within a shell with exec for accessing a libc6 library following this post http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=66 and I get some strange errors of permission denied for all files, who can help me? |
| 09:10.07 | doubleclick | hark: aaa, i got the menu |
| 09:10.10 | azeem | [Jasper]: please ask useful and specific questions |
| 09:11.14 | slave | hum |
| 09:11.17 | [Jasper] | I'm just wondering if anyone has positive negative experiences with drbd azeem :P |
| 09:11.21 | doubleclick | hark: it's the same... i set meta sends escape |
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| 09:12.20 | azeem | [Jasper]: make up your own mind, please |
| 09:12.37 | nsadmin | [Jasper]: if anyone has any experiences they felt strongly about, they would probably have written about them... you could search for articles |
| 09:12.40 | slave | Lol |
| 09:12.49 | azeem | slave: do you have a Debian question? |
| 09:13.14 | doubleclick | hark: AltGr is also not working in xterm... it works in urxvt though |
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| 09:13.29 | slave | in the moment no azeem |
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| 09:13.45 | azeem | slave: then please either keep quiet or leave |
| 09:13.48 | slave | some problem in that? |
| 09:13.51 | azeem | no |
| 09:14.15 | slave | ok |
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| 09:16.37 | slave | alguem do brasil? |
| 09:17.06 | nsadmin | !br |
| 09:17.06 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 09:17.47 | slave | ok, but Brazilian also speech other languages bah |
| 09:18.01 | hark | doubleclick: is it a specific app that is not working or do things like alt+b not work either? |
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| 09:19.59 | nsadmin | slave: no question about that... if you prefer to speak english, you can do so here... if you prefer portugese, #debian-br would be the place for that... are you looking for brasilians? |
| 09:20.21 | doubleclick | hark: in rxvt it doesn't work at all... |
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| 09:21.18 | slave | nsadmin have just found that net and I found interesting, it was only curious in knowing if he/she had some Brazilian in the channel, only that |
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| 09:21.25 | nsadmin | oh, and if you prefer a language that is neither portugese nor english, name it and there might be a channel for debian support in that language |
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| 09:22.06 | slave | ok |
| 09:23.43 | slave | by |
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| 09:29.10 | [Jasper] | hej guys in the network interfaces setup you have broadcast, network etc...what is the network setting for? |
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| 09:29.41 | azeem | [Jasper]: please try to research stuff yourself first |
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| 09:30.13 | doubleclick | hark: i just found out that default mod key for xmonad is the Alt key... but on mine is the "win" key.. |
| 09:30.15 | iceroot | [Jasper]: description the network. 192.168.0.0 is a network for e.g. depending on the netmask and ip |
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| 09:30.47 | [Jasper] | hmm ip is for example 192.168.0.111 and netmastk 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:30.58 | iceroot | [Jasper]: network = smallest ip in the ip range, broadcast = highest ip in the ip range |
| 09:30.58 | hark | doubleclick: i use the win key too, and if it was alt, it should have affected the other terminals as well |
| 09:31.16 | iceroot | [Jasper]: then network is 192.168.0.0 and broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
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| 09:31.48 | [Jasper] | ah ok, thank you |
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| 09:32.21 | smhar | greetings |
| 09:32.23 | koollman | [Jasper]: that's how ip networks work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Protocol |
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| 09:34.28 | smhar | I am doing an apt-get upgrade to lenny. I have installed and running kernel 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP (from uname) but apt wants to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, what is the difference? |
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| 09:37.47 | xmag | hi i did some update last friday and now my PS/2 keyboard does not work with xorg anymore |
| 09:38.05 | xmag | running testing/amd64 |
| 09:38.13 | xmag | any ideas |
| 09:38.47 | nsadmin | can you give a list of packages that were updated together with the version that was replaced and the new version of each? |
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| 09:41.31 | rgr | I'm irc'ing in through text only erc from emcs. I had thought my move to testing had gone ok but the usual nvidia issues. I'm trying to run m-a and install nvidia-glx but it keeps bringing in the source for 2.6.26 instead of 2.6.30. Could some kind sole please walk me through the steps needed to clean up nvidia drivers for debian testing :- I have no desktop only console. |
| 09:41.45 | xmag | nsadmin: no, i didn't log it |
| 09:42.24 | xmag | did it on friday while X was running, this morning i booted an now it's broken |
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| 09:42.52 | xmag | do i have to use evdev or do any fancy hal configuration |
| 09:42.59 | MoLoToV | Starting Squid HTTP Proxy 3.0: squid32009/10/26 10:40:03| cache_cf.cc(346) squid.conf:2 unrecognized: 'chunked_request_body_max_size' |
| 09:43.01 | hark | rgr: it's because you are running .26 now |
| 09:43.02 | xmag | or none of those |
| 09:43.12 | rgr | hark, no I'm not. |
| 09:43.12 | MoLoToV | Squid Cache: Version 3.0.STABLE8 |
| 09:43.15 | MoLoToV | is normal? |
| 09:43.24 | rgr | uname -r gives 2.6.30 |
| 09:43.50 | hark | rgr: and what does m-a prepare do? |
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| 09:44.32 | hark | doubleclick: what are the characters displayed when you press alt+b or alt+arrow key? |
| 09:44.53 | rgr | thats the funny thing it says 2.6.30 code. but then it seemed to build 2.6.26. Can you run me through the steps from scratch (no web here). |
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| 09:45.39 | themill | rgr: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
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| 09:46.09 | Possumboy | #join #orbit |
| 09:46.22 | doubleclick | hark: none.. |
| 09:46.23 | Possumboy | woops |
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| 09:47.04 | rgr | themill: was that correct? |
| 09:47.35 | doubleclick | hark: in xterm none and in rxvt it display "b" like the alt is not pressed.. |
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| 09:48.04 | themill | rgr: was what correct? The instructions in that factoid should work, yes. |
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| 09:48.27 | rgr | oh sorry, I didnt see any factoid. need to change buffer. brb and thanks. |
| 09:48.42 | hark | themill: nice factoid |
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| 09:49.12 | themill | yeah, we're back in the "nvidia is broken in testing" stage of the release cycle again |
| 09:49.18 | farri | I am following this guide for using two glibc versions on the same system but I get a permission denied when accessing /usr/local/compat-new/lib/libc.so.6 any help? |
| 09:49.37 | azeem | farri: "this guide"? |
| 09:49.44 | rgr | damn and blast - cant find the buffer where it might have gone. |
| 09:49.48 | azeem | farri: there is in general no need to use two glibc versions on the same system |
| 09:50.00 | farri | azeem: sorry, didne paste http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=66 |
| 09:50.10 | farri | azeem: sorry, didn't paste http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=66 |
| 09:50.40 | azeem | farri: so ask that person for help |
| 09:50.50 | azeem | we do not support doing crazy things with your libc.so.6 |
| 09:51.00 | farri | azeem: I am hosted in a debian4 and I need to run a daemon that needs using libc2.4, that's why I amd trying these things |
| 09:51.17 | azeem | farri: libc is backwards-compatible |
| 09:51.23 | themill | farri: what daemon? |
| 09:51.26 | farri | azeem: perhaps you can suggest me some idea because i am lost |
| 09:51.34 | azeem | farri: update to debian5 |
| 09:51.53 | farri | azeem: the computer is a vpn so I must use it as it is |
| 09:52.21 | farri | the deamon I want to use needs kernel inotify functions, which were not yet present in libc2.3.6 |
| 09:52.40 | farri | debian4 used libc2.3.6 and inotify was included in libc4 |
| 09:52.59 | farri | in fact the systems works ok for my needs, but now with this daemon I m getting mad |
| 09:53.03 | azeem | and you do not have root on the system? |
| 09:53.07 | nsadmin | usually the configure script will detect whether these functions exist and if not, work around them |
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| 09:53.26 | farri | I have sudo access |
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| 09:54.06 | farri | I can sudo but I am not expected to upgrade the system, at least the hosting company denied supporting this feature |
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| 09:54.19 | rgr | themill: whats this "ask me about tum" thing in the factoid mean? |
| 09:54.35 | themill | rgr: /msg dpkg tum |
| 09:54.49 | farri | somiaj, my only problem is that the deamon can't access inotify kernel functions, that's why I am trying a second libc6 library |
| 09:55.03 | farri | thus, my only problem is that the deamon can't access inotify kernel functions, that's why I am trying a second libc6 library |
| 09:55.27 | azeem | farri: 1. upgrade to debian5, 2. don't use that daemon |
| 09:55.34 | azeem | everything else is not supported here |
| 09:55.40 | farri | I was told here that a chroot environment |
| 09:55.45 | azeem | or that |
| 09:55.53 | farri | a chroot environment would serve my needs |
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| 09:56.06 | farri | but I have read a lot about chroot environments and I think it is not what I need |
| 09:56.12 | azeem | fine then |
| 09:56.27 | farri | this daemon integrates with drupal, and keeps note of modified files so they are sent to a cdn |
| 09:56.48 | farri | if I make a chroot, the daemon will not be able to access my filesystem to check for modified files |
| 09:56.59 | azeem | right |
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| 09:57.06 | farri | so this i not my solution |
| 09:57.27 | themill | bind-mount the bit you're watching into the chroot |
| 09:57.59 | farri | azeem: I know, the solution is simple, find another hosting that supports debian lenny, but now I am trying to solve it within my actual server |
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| 09:58.15 | azeem | farri: why can't you upgrade? |
| 09:58.16 | farri | bin-mount? you mean mount or soft link or what? |
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| 09:58.24 | azeem | farri: he means bind mount |
| 09:58.26 | azeem | please pay attention |
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| 09:58.45 | farri | azeem:I suppose I can upgrade, but I am not getting support for it |
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| 09:59.04 | farri | bind mount? hmmm sorry? they are 2 different commands |
| 09:59.18 | azeem | farri: did you even try to research what "bind-mount" is? |
| 09:59.29 | azeem | man mount |
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| 10:00.15 | farri | apt-cache search bin-mount returns nothing |
| 10:00.30 | farri | I know what mount is, a volumen mount |
| 10:00.48 | farri | in a mountpoint |
| 10:00.52 | themill | farri: check your spelling. ask google. read man mount as azeem suggested |
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| 10:01.16 | farri | themill: sorry for the spelling, it's my bad keyboard! |
| 10:01.49 | farri | yes yes, I will try mount, can be the solution, a chroot with my directory mounted within the chroot |
| 10:01.58 | rgr | themill: A million thank yous. That removed the 2.6.26 problems. I did have to reinstall xserver-xorg but the sid mix seems to have done it. |
| 10:02.16 | MoLoToV | howto switch from a x86_32 debian to x86_64 ? is a big work? i must save /etc dir and reinstall all the system? |
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| 10:02.26 | themill | rgr: excellent. It seems that nvidia in testing is pretty broken at present. |
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| 10:03.06 | rgr | yeah, I was unpleasently surprised since m-a etc had done its job for ages without issues. nvidia broken is a bit like ground hog day. |
| 10:03.37 | flourish | mysqld on my debian squeeze amd64 system use very high cpu, sometimes almost 99%, how can i do |
| 10:03.39 | rgr | having stared at a text only console for hours its quite a strain to have the high res desktop back :-; |
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| 10:04.58 | rgr | now the only testing issue IU have is my page-down key returning "~" in a shell and what appears to be "M-x" in my emacs. How can I map it back to pg-down? |
| 10:06.08 | elli222 | Hmm, why is there only a i386 package of assaultcube in debian? |
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| 10:11.28 | jelly-home | elli222: well technically isn't not even in Debian, but in non-free |
| 10:11.41 | jelly-home | it's* not |
| 10:12.38 | elli222 | Fine, why is there only a i386 package of assaultcube in debian non-free? |
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| 10:13.48 | jelly-home | perhaps because it's merely a repackaged build from upstream. |
| 10:14.01 | macrobat | i guess it is outdated too |
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| 10:14.15 | icebrain | macrobat: it was included in Sep09 |
| 10:14.18 | elli222 | its actully up-to-date |
| 10:14.31 | elli222 | v 1.0.4, latest |
| 10:14.37 | macrobat | ah, uptodate games :) |
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| 10:15.01 | elli222 | oddly enough, its data files arn't, theyre lagging behind at 1.0.2 |
| 10:15.22 | icebrain | the maintainer probably doesn't have time to do it, he just packaged it because of a bug request |
| 10:15.52 | macrobat | looks like the orig data is 1.0.2 too |
| 10:16.25 | elli222 | also, the program (not the data) should be in contrib, because the game is open source, no? |
| 10:16.49 | icebrain | no, it has a license incompatible |
| 10:16.51 | icebrain | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435809#24 |
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| 10:17.13 | icebrain | also, the license says you can't redistribute it even after recompile |
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| 10:17.40 | icebrain | only has a different compressed file (tar/deb/zip) |
| 10:18.06 | ramo102 | How to set the time to daylight savings? |
| 10:18.08 | macrobat | so, it's dl and compile if you want to play on x86_64? |
| 10:18.29 | jelly-home | ramo102: it changes automatically if you have the correct timezone set |
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| 10:19.13 | ramo102 | I have Europe/Rome, and it had to change yesterday, but it didn't |
| 10:19.17 | elli222 | that bugreport was for assaultcube-data |
| 10:19.47 | icebrain | elli222: but the license text refers to all assault cube |
| 10:19.54 | macrobat | for me daylight savings was gone yesterday |
| 10:20.02 | ramo102 | :( |
| 10:20.14 | icebrain | me too |
| 10:20.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | odd. apt doesn't support https. (Lennys doesn't at least). I'd never noticed that before |
| 10:20.38 | jelly-home | ramo102: which debian release? What does "date" say right now? Are you dual-booting the machine? |
| 10:21.21 | ramo102 | date: Mon Oct 26 12:22:01 CET 2009, kernel: 2.6.30, no dual booting |
| 10:21.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, separate package |
| 10:21.35 | jelly-home | ramo102: which debian release? |
| 10:21.47 | ramo102 | squeeze |
| 10:22.00 | jelly-home | ramo102: dpkg -l libc6 tzdata | tail -2 |
| 10:22.02 | macrobat | CET is right. CEST is summer time |
| 10:22.19 | jelly-home | macrobat: it's one hour off though. |
| 10:23.09 | ramo102 | libc6: 2.9-25, tzdata: 2009m-1 |
| 10:23.14 | elli222 | funny how they put "open source" on their home page |
| 10:24.00 | themill | elli222: "open" doesn't mean "Free". There are plenty of "open source" things out there that are strictly "look but don't touch" arrangements. |
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| 10:25.06 | elli222 | the world is doomed D: |
| 10:25.28 | jelly-home | ramo102: oh well, just do an ntpdate you-favorite-ntp-server or date --set |
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| 10:26.04 | jelly-home | elli222: not doomed, assaultcubed. |
| 10:26.54 | elli222 | heh |
| 10:27.33 | Gertm | what file contains the definition of the $EDITOR variable? |
| 10:27.53 | derchris^work | hi all, was trying to install openswan on my debian system (lenny) via apt-get. it keeps hanging at "Setting up openswan (1:2.4.12+dfsg-1.3+lenny2) ...". anyone know where to look for possible problems? |
| 10:27.57 | joltcan | Gertm: you usually set it in .bash_profile or .profile if that is what you mean? |
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| 10:28.16 | Gertm | joltcan: I was just wondering if there was another way of doing that :) But thanks, that answers my question |
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| 10:31.08 | rgr | Any suggestions/hints as to why having moved back to testing my page down key is now not page down but "~" in a terminal. its typical german kbd layout I have used with debian for a couple of years with nodeadkeys option. |
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| 10:32.28 | themill | !xorg config squeeze |
| 10:32.28 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 10:32.42 | themill | rgr: ^^ at a guess, you need to configure your kb type correctly |
| 10:33.04 | rgr | eek. will do. |
| 10:35.37 | rgr | themill so whats the overlap now between xorg.conf and console-setup? Can I remove the inputdevice secion from xorg.conf? |
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| 10:36.43 | themill | rgr: there is now no overlap between console and xorg config. Yay! At last! Configure things like kb layout in one place and one place only (console-setup) and the rest of the system finds out about those settings using hal. |
| 10:36.46 | ramo102 | jelly-home: obviously ;) |
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| 10:37.43 | hyperzid | load average: 2.36, 1.59, 1.27<-- What does theese digits really mean? |
| 10:37.47 | rgr | should the changes from dpkg-reconfigure been immediate? My pg down still does not work in any gui apps either. |
| 10:38.02 | hyperzid | How many processes waiting to be processed.. or something? |
| 10:39.07 | jelly-home | !+tell hyperzid -about loadavg |
| 10:39.09 | dpkg | told hyperzid about loadavg. |
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| 10:39.33 | themill | rgr: that I can't tell you... but I doubt it. If you replug a usb device I think it's supposed to pick up the new config though. |
| 10:39.53 | bohne | hi, is there a simple and reliable way to copy a whole installation from one machine to another |
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| 10:41.14 | mhymn | bohne: /msg dpkg fai ? |
| 10:41.38 | mhymn | or probably /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 10:42.09 | jelly-home | bohne: including user data? |
| 10:42.09 | hyperzid | jelly-home: So that digit should be under 1 to get good response? |
| 10:42.33 | hyperzid | jelly-home: I know my processes is waiting for io. |
| 10:43.11 | jelly-home | hyperzid: buy faster disks :-) |
| 10:44.12 | hyperzid | jelly-home what load average is acceptable? |
| 10:44.17 | jelly-home | hyperzid: anything under number-of-cpu-cores * 1.0 means the system has some idle cpus. |
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| 10:45.09 | jelly-home | hyperzid: depends on the workload. I have machines that work nicely while loadavg > 4x number of cpus. |
| 10:45.39 | OpenTokix | Dont forget that load average can be a number of reasons, not only cpu - but also io-wait etc. |
| 10:45.40 | themill | hyperzid: loadavg < n_cpus is a good place to want to be, but a hung NFS mount will add to that load average without thrashing the CPU -- processes in iowait are also counted. |
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| 10:45.59 | hyperzid | jelly-home: I got 7 cpus. |
| 10:46.10 | jelly-home | hyperzid: unlikely :-) |
| 10:46.17 | themill | PS3? |
| 10:46.20 | Rienzilla | load average is not really a reliable figure to base your computer business on imo |
| 10:46.51 | Rovanion | No because your peaks may be way waaay over avrage |
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| 10:47.32 | Rienzilla | not only that. Because the load average can increase due to a number of reasons |
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| 10:47.52 | smhar | is there a list somewhere of the packages in lenny that are dropped from squeeze for whatever reason? |
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| 10:48.01 | jelly-home | hyperzid: use tools like vmstat, iostat and iotop to gain additional insight |
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| 10:48.51 | jelly-home | hyperzid: eg. "vmstat 1", and leave it running for a while |
| 10:49.41 | themill | smhar: not that I know of, but the QA page for each package will tell you and the list of RC bugs is normally a good indication. |
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| 10:51.36 | smhar | themill: that will be too much work to do. I came to know that kismet is dropped and I was wondering if something else is. |
| 10:52.15 | smhar | because I am preparing the transition to squeeze |
| 10:52.29 | jelly-home | dropped? |
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| 10:52.38 | jelly-home | !why is kismet not in testing |
| 10:52.39 | dpkg | kismet is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kismet |
| 10:53.00 | smhar | jelly-home: not in squeeze |
| 10:53.32 | jelly-home | smhar: that doesn't mean it's been dropped -- it's still in unstable |
| 10:53.32 | error4o4 | hi, runing proftpd where DefaultRoot is ~ i need an FTP account that will have access just to a subfolder of my home directory.. any idea how to do that? |
| 10:53.32 | error4o4 | maybe by making a user account who's home dir is that subfolder... is that folder structure allowed in *nix? |
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| 10:54.46 | smhar | I know.. that was wrongly worded, but I still do not want a testing/unstable mix. I want to have testing only |
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| 10:56.42 | jelly-home | smhar: wait a couple more days then |
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| 10:57.06 | rgr | ok a restart to check my nvidia is permanent and thats fine. but my pg-down key is still gibing a ~ (tilde) in a console and god knows what in firefox (no page down). Any ideas where this might be reconfigured by gnome? |
| 10:57.12 | error4o4 | is it ok if a users home direcotry points to a subfolder inside my home direcotry? |
| 10:57.44 | mastro | Hi all.. I have a problem with a server i've installed a week ago... During the installation I choosed the server name "baobab" then I got back and modified it into "fico". Now i'm almost done with the installation but I noticed the server still think to be "baobab"... I used LVM and even the device have that name in it.... since baobab is now another server I must change it... How can I change the LVM name? (I think I can handle |
| 10:58.37 | mastro | even grub has the "baobab" setting |
| 10:58.56 | mastro | I think this is a bug with the debian installation software anyway |
| 10:59.18 | petemc | mastro: what did you do to change the name ? |
| 10:59.43 | mastro | petemc: I've choosen the step where it asked to me and modified it |
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| 11:00.01 | petemc | i dont follow |
| 11:00.58 | mastro | petemc: the debian installer follow a list of steps, when I realized the "baobab" server was already there I went back and choosed the step that asked me the name |
| 11:01.42 | petemc | mastro: oh, so you hadnt finished the install? it should be easy just to complete the install and modify the name after that |
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| 11:02.51 | mastro | petemc: I've gone back before completing the install and changed the name, than I went forward with the install.. completed it and already installed oracle 10 into it and some other stuff... re-doing the install is just not an option |
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| 11:03.41 | mastro | petemc: I just had to change the hostname, the lvm disk name and so on |
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| 11:04.36 | mastro | petemc: since I'm not a sys admin but I am doing this only because I'm the "linux guy" here I was asked to perform the install... never used LVM before |
| 11:04.40 | dukebody | hello, I don't know how the bugfixes are applied to the different debian package branches. Will the patch for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550541 be available for the emacs in squeeze? |
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| 11:07.27 | dukebody | or will it be applied to sid then propagated to squeeze later? |
| 11:07.40 | mastro | do anybody know how to change the lvm name? (i've a lot of /dev/mapper/baobab-home that should became /dev/mapper/othername-home) |
| 11:08.02 | prahal | dukebody, should go from sid to squeeze (when squeeze is not frozen) |
| 11:09.39 | dukebody | prahal: and how long is the estimated time for it to go from sid to squeeze? Having empty dynamic menus in emacs is not good for me. :S |
| 11:09.43 | petemc | mastro: thats the volume group name, i guess the installer uses the machine name for that |
| 11:09.56 | dukebody | approximately, I mean |
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| 11:10.12 | radoe | dukebody: did you try the workaround mentioned? |
| 11:10.29 | dukebody | radoe: let me try :) |
| 11:10.30 | mastro | petemc: yes.. and I want to change it |
| 11:10.48 | Arrowmaster | that might be hard |
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| 11:10.57 | petemc | mastro: so know you know better what to look for |
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| 11:11.37 | mastro | petemc: I don't understand your sentece |
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| 11:11.59 | petemc | oh well |
| 11:12.22 | prahal | dukebody, cannot tell . I have nto followed testing a lot so even guessing is hard |
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| 11:13.26 | dukebody | radoe: it works :) |
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| 11:14.39 | mastro | petemc: i'm not into the installer anymore! I completed my debian installation a week ago and I almost completed the server installation now |
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| 11:15.14 | lancelot_of | hi all, is there anyway to make acroread behave in colours like a true e-reader (with e-ink technology)? |
| 11:15.17 | petemc | mastro: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 11:15.28 | petemc | mastro: and google for change volume group name |
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| 11:16.33 | mastro | petemc: I am ok changing the hostname :) I was exactly asking how to change the volume group name :) I'm already googling but I don't like to blindly follow tutorial on how to change name.. :) |
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| 11:18.06 | mango | hello every one... |
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| 11:18.35 | mango | I am still having the same problem ...my debian system is way too slow when browsing |
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| 11:20.09 | mango | it take me about 30s to one minute to browse any page apart from google search pages |
| 11:20.32 | Rienzilla | smells like broken DNS? |
| 11:20.35 | mango | i suspect that there is a problem with IPv6...cause on the same network..my window machine works fine |
| 11:20.38 | themill | lancelot_of: I suspect the reason no-one is answering your question is that no-one has a clue what you mean. "behave in colours"? |
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| 11:21.53 | mango | how do I know if I am using ipv4 or ipv6 on debian lenny? |
| 11:21.55 | mango | please |
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| 11:24.04 | lancelot_of | themill, i mean...new e-book technology (e-ink) allows a more "soft" documents reading for the eyes...i'm asking if it is possible to set any paramenter in acroread (maybe foreground/background colours?) to make document reading quite similar/easy to e-ink technology |
| 11:25.49 | themill | lancelot_of: PDFs are designed to be print-ready documents -- there normally aren't too many options on how to display them as that's not the point of them. None of the free pdf readers that I know of have those sorts of options -- you'd have to ask Adobe about acroread though. |
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| 11:28.08 | lancelot_of | themill, is it the same for djvu files? |
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| 11:29.03 | themill | lancelot_of: presumably, since they are mainly used for scans of printed material |
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| 11:30.12 | icebrain | hi! Right now I have ~800MB of used memory, but ~550 are cache. The problem is that when I hibernate, it saves the whole 800MB to disk, which takes a long time. Can I write the dirty pages of cache to disk and reduce the cache space, so that hibernate doesn't save it all? |
| 11:30.40 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a question about the debian installer, if I do a reinstall...and keep the same parititon tables....will it empty those partitions? |
| 11:31.15 | marlboro | if you choose to format of course it will. |
| 11:31.26 | [Jasper] | where can I choose that? |
| 11:31.27 | lancelot_of | themill, it's a pity, 'cause it would be useful reading whole books scanned as djvu or pdf instead of print (and consuming) a lot of paper |
| 11:31.46 | marlboro | in the partition tool. |
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| 11:32.00 | themill | lancelot_of: umm... there's nothing stopping you from doing that right now, is there? |
| 11:33.10 | rgammans | Anyone familiar with building x-gcc from (and for) debian pkg. |
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| 11:33.57 | lancelot_of | themill, "doing that" what? reading books on the screen? yes, there's omething stopping me..after 5 seconds i read something on screen i become angry 'cause of pixels burning my eyes ;) |
| 11:34.05 | marlboro | [Jasper], here... http://www.bohack.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/debian-fig-9.gif :P |
| 11:34.27 | marlboro | choose "manual" |
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| 11:35.02 | marlboro | and then you set options that you need. |
| 11:35.18 | themill | lancelot_of: so fiddle with your monitor settings then. Change the backlight level, the contrast, brightness, gamma, white point, ... there are both monitor and xorg controls to help make your screen more readable. |
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| 11:36.02 | marlboro | a |
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| 11:37.55 | mango | hi again...let me rephrase my question...my debian system is running very slowly...on a window machine I download a file at a rate of 300KB/s, but on debian or ubuntu the file download is at a rate of 50B/s... we are talking about 3000 times more speed on windows then linux...by the way I have tried this on many debian fresh install and ubuntu, and the outcome is the same... |
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| 11:38.58 | mango | I have tried a lot on this room and ubuntu as well as on the net...but I can not find a solution...any one who has experienced this problem, please let me know how to solve it...I am running of options, and don't want to use only debian |
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| 11:39.13 | mango | since I have been using it for over 5 years now.. |
| 11:39.16 | mango | please help |
| 11:39.41 | mango | by the way...all my test were run under the same network |
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| 11:39.55 | MrDudle | uhhhnot 3000 times more speed... |
| 11:40.06 | MrDudle | oh |
| 11:40.12 | MrDudle | i thought that was kb not b |
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| 11:40.29 | lancelot_of | themill, what about xorg controls? |
| 11:40.30 | azeem | mango: how do you download it? |
| 11:40.39 | M4K4V3l1 | hi all |
| 11:40.46 | mango | ok...from the browser fire fox.... |
| 11:40.55 | azeem | did you try e.g. wget? |
| 11:41.03 | mango | but I have tried to use links or other browsers on linux..and it is the same thing |
| 11:41.19 | mango | azeem: the above message was for you |
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| 11:42.18 | M4K4V3l1 | did someone tried to install a time machine server like this : http://www.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de/research/tm/ ? |
| 11:42.48 | mango | azeem: just tried that it is as slow as mozilla |
| 11:43.30 | mango | azeem: there are even some websites like yahoo mail or bbc, that I can not get through...it times out |
| 11:43.34 | azeem | mango: did you try a traceroute or mtr on the server? |
| 11:43.48 | azeem | or at least ping |
| 11:45.13 | mango | azeem: I have tried traceroute, don't know what is mtr..I will have a look |
| 11:45.18 | M4K4V3l1 | when I try to install my time machine server (source from : http://www.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de/research/tm/) I got this message error in configure step : http://pastebin.ca/1643668 |
| 11:45.18 | mango | one min please |
| 11:45.41 | M4K4V3l1 | it told me : configure: error: libpcap not found |
| 11:45.59 | azeem | so install it |
| 11:47.25 | lancelot_of | is there any adobe specific irc channel? |
| 11:47.28 | themill | M4K4V3l1: for this sort of thing, apt-file is your friend: apt-file search libpcap.so |
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| 11:47.42 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: ok |
| 11:47.51 | mango | azeem: this is my traceroute output to yahoo.com http://pastebin.com/m170ffdb6 |
| 11:48.04 | azeem | yeah, that doesn't help much |
| 11:48.15 | azeem | unless you get a good traceroute from a Windows machine on the same network |
| 11:48.31 | mango | azeem: ok...I will do that give me a minute |
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| 11:49.22 | farri | azeem: I came two hours ago asking about some daemon problem, I am trying a chroot environment and including some directory into the chroot using mount --bind, and I am finding a problem, I don't have permissions for mounting although I sudo |
| 11:49.51 | azeem | farri: what command do you run, and what is the output? |
| 11:49.56 | azeem | !paste |
| 11:49.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 11:50.13 | prahal | farri, did you mount /proc in the chroot |
| 11:50.29 | azeem | he wants to bind-mount a directory into the chroot |
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| 11:50.45 | farri | azeem: sudo mount --bind directory web and I get mount: permission denied |
| 11:50.47 | prahal | oh no sorry for the noise . I bet it is an other issue |
| 11:50.58 | marlboro | M4K4V3l1, apt-get install libcap-dev |
| 11:51.08 | prahal | oh you try to bind mount inside the chroot a directory outside the chroot |
| 11:51.11 | farri | prahal: well, I can't mount /proc neither, I just cant mount |
| 11:51.18 | azeem | marlboro: *p*cap |
| 11:51.23 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: root@makaveli:~/Documents/Linux/time machine/tm-20080814-0# apt-file search libpcap.so |
| 11:51.23 | M4K4V3l1 | libpcap0.7: /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.7 |
| 11:51.24 | M4K4V3l1 | libpcap0.7: /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.7.2 |
| 11:51.24 | M4K4V3l1 | libpcap0.7-dev: /usr/lib/libpcap.so |
| 11:51.24 | M4K4V3l1 | libpcap0.8: /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.8 |
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| 11:51.34 | marlboro | ops... sorry |
| 11:51.34 | marlboro | :P |
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| 11:51.39 | M4K4V3l1 | sorry |
| 11:51.52 | azeem | M4K4V3l1: you need to -dev package |
| 11:52.03 | farri | azeem: well, to be more correct sudo mount --bind ../directory web |
| 11:52.06 | marlboro | M4K4V3l1, apt-get install libpcap-dev |
| 11:52.19 | farri | azeem: while I am inside the chroot |
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| 11:52.31 | prahal | farri, and "mount /proc" from inside the chroot fails too ? weird |
| 11:52.38 | farri | wait |
| 11:52.47 | azeem | farri: you bind-mount stuff *outside* the chroot |
| 11:52.51 | M4K4V3l1 | marlboro: I tried it before but I got this message : The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:52.51 | M4K4V3l1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.51 | M4K4V3l1 | E: Broken packages |
| 11:52.58 | farri | azeem: inside I mean cd, not chroot |
| 11:53.21 | azeem | farri: you still haven't quoted the error |
| 11:53.22 | marlboro | apt-get update |
| 11:53.30 | marlboro | and retry the precious command. |
| 11:53.43 | marlboro | *previous |
| 11:53.47 | farri | prahal: perhaps I am not using correct words, when I say inside the chroot, I mean I have issued a cd into the chroot |
| 11:53.57 | farri | azeem: yes I have, i will quote again |
| 11:54.02 | M4K4V3l1 | ok |
| 11:54.45 | M4K4V3l1 | marlboro: I think I broke it :S : E: Couldn't find package update |
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| 11:54.52 | farri | azeem: command is sudo mount --bind directory chroot/web |
| 11:54.53 | marlboro | if it don`t work, download the packages from here... then you install it with gdebi |
| 11:54.56 | marlboro | http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/libpcap |
| 11:55.06 | azeem | M4K4V3l1: apt-get update not apt-get install update |
| 11:55.14 | farri | azeem: and I get mount: permission denied |
| 11:55.22 | themill | M4K4V3l1: are you running etch or lenny there? |
| 11:55.24 | azeem | farri: and "sudo mount"? |
| 11:55.30 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.39 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: etch |
| 11:55.40 | farri | azeem: I can sudo, yes |
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| 11:56.02 | farri | azeem: but it seems I cannot sudo mount |
| 11:56.06 | M4K4V3l1 | azeem: I am becoming stupid since I got this problem last week |
| 11:56.13 | azeem | farri: check /etc/sudoers then |
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| 11:56.25 | farri | azeem: I can sudo! |
| 11:56.31 | azeem | apparently not, eh? |
| 11:56.35 | azeem | 12:56 < farri> azeem: but it seems I cannot sudo mount |
| 11:56.54 | azeem | what does "sudo mount" yield? |
| 11:56.59 | marlboro | M4K4V3l1, are you sure that your version is etch? your client version reply to me 2.6.27... |
| 11:57.01 | marlboro | O.o |
| 11:57.10 | M4K4V3l1 | marlboro: still got the unmet problem |
| 11:57.23 | mesaGL | maybe it's etch n three halves |
| 11:57.34 | farri | sudo mount retuns the existing mountpoints |
| 11:57.37 | azeem | people are free to update their kernels |
| 11:57.42 | azeem | farri: so it works |
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| 11:58.02 | farri | azeem: yes it works, but I am in a vps, virtual, perhaps it has to do with something |
| 11:58.05 | marlboro | maybe... |
| 11:58.08 | themill | M4K4V3l1: "/msg dpkg bat" and provide us with some more information including the full output of the aptitude run. Use a pastebin for this, /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:58.10 | azeem | farri: well, my point is |
| 11:58.11 | azeem | you said |
| 11:58.15 | azeem | 12:56 < farri> azeem: but it seems I cannot sudo mount |
| 11:58.23 | azeem | now you say you can do this |
| 11:58.34 | azeem | if you want help here, please try to pay attention and be more precise |
| 11:58.34 | farri | azeem: yes, that's what I understood |
| 11:58.47 | azeem | faitz: now, check the permissions of your chroot |
| 11:59.04 | azeem | can you "sudo touch chroot/web" ? |
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| 11:59.33 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: ok |
| 11:59.34 | Shtl | Hello all |
| 11:59.46 | farri | azeem, will follow your steps, will do this |
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| 12:00.08 | farri | azeem: yes, it worked |
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| 12:00.20 | mango | azeem: sorry for the delay |
| 12:00.27 | azeem | what does ls -l chroot | grep web say? |
| 12:00.28 | Shtl | I want to download the Latest stable lenny installation CD, can any one give me the link??? |
| 12:00.38 | azeem | !lenny |
| 12:00.38 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.3>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 12:00.41 | mango | azeem: this is the output from both debian and windows |
| 12:00.47 | mango | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m2eb98902 |
| 12:01.07 | azeem | ok, so nothing unusual |
| 12:01.15 | azeem | just some router blocking icmp in between |
| 12:01.17 | farri | azeem: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-10-26 04:59 web |
| 12:01.27 | azeem | and ls -l | grep chroot? |
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| 12:01.53 | farri | azeem: drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2009-10-26 04:46 chroot-lenny |
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| 12:02.09 | azeem | I thought it was chroot, not chroot-lenny? |
| 12:02.10 | mango | azeem: it is funny that on windows, while i was doing traceroute and getting Request timed out, I browsed through yahoo, different links and was fast!! |
| 12:02.22 | azeem | mango: 13:01 < azeem> just some router blocking icmp in between |
| 12:02.35 | farri | azeem: well, it's chroot-lenny but I use chroot here to make it short |
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| 12:02.57 | azeem | farri: can you do sudo bash? |
| 12:03.15 | azeem | if yes, install strace and try "strace mount --bind ..." |
| 12:03.21 | azeem | and pastebin the output |
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| 12:03.32 | farri | azeem: yes I can sudo bash |
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| 12:04.17 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: it's seems that aptitude fixed the problem.. when I tried to paste you the output as you ask me |
| 12:04.38 | mango | azeem: ??? which router, mine or isp provider...? and how can I solve it please? |
| 12:04.58 | farri | !pastebin |
| 12:04.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 12:05.04 | azeem | mango: 13:01 < azeem> ok, so nothing unusual |
| 12:05.07 | azeem | just don |
| 12:05.12 | azeem | don |
| 12:05.14 | azeem | argh |
| 12:05.18 | themill | M4K4V3l1: excellent... aptitude's often good like that btw....it's now the recommended way of handing binary packages in debian. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 12:05.30 | azeem | mango: just don't worry about it; it means you cannot use traceroute to diagnose your problem |
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| 12:06.46 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: OK |
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| 12:07.05 | farri | azeem: http://pastie.org/669883 |
| 12:07.10 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: but the problem is that I still can't install the time machine server |
| 12:07.19 | M4K4V3l1 | I got the same error |
| 12:07.30 | M4K4V3l1 | http://pastebin.ca/1643668 |
| 12:07.34 | azeem | farri: I didn't say "sudo mount" |
| 12:07.39 | azeem | I said strace mount |
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| 12:07.46 | farri | axeem:ah sorry doing it again |
| 12:07.56 | mango | azeem: I see...is there anything that I can do further please? |
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| 12:08.15 | themill | M4K4V3l1: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg -l '*pcap*' |
| 12:08.15 | azeem | mango: pastebin the output of /bin/ifconfig |
| 12:09.09 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/49970/ |
| 12:09.11 | azeem | farri: also, what does "ls -l /bin/mount" say? |
| 12:09.18 | farri | azeem: http://pastie.org/669887 |
| 12:09.38 | farri | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 88936 2008-01-02 03:35 /bin/mount |
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| 12:09.53 | azeem | farri: are you running strace as root? |
| 12:10.07 | farri | azeem: not running strace as root |
| 12:10.12 | farri | should I? |
| 12:10.21 | farri | do you want me sudo strace? |
| 12:10.22 | azeem | 13:02 < azeem> farri: can you do sudo bash? |
| 12:10.45 | farri | or sudo bash and inside strace? |
| 12:10.49 | azeem | yes |
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| 12:10.54 | marlboro | omg... kill sudo and kick it out from debian . :S i hate that tool. |
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| 12:11.23 | itguru | If I'm building a gateway with multiple ISP connections, how can I get my system to prefer one route over another, only using the second route if the first one has failed? |
| 12:11.27 | themill | marlboro: it has it's place... it just gets in the road often enough unless you really know what it's doing. |
| 12:11.39 | marlboro | :) |
| 12:12.02 | mesaGL | marlboro: no-one hates the sudo voodoo like you do ... |
| 12:12.12 | marlboro | yes. it's true ;) |
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| 12:12.26 | themill | M4K4V3l1: that should be enough. perhaps the upstream website can tell you more about what versions of pcap are required or what needs to be passed to configure for it to find it. |
| 12:12.29 | marlboro | i hate every think that make confusion. |
| 12:12.41 | farri | azeem: I think I did it now http://pastie.org/669892 |
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| 12:12.50 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: ok I will check |
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| 12:15.08 | azeem | farri: ok, the system call fails, so I guess you are right in assuming that your VPS provider is blocking mount from you |
| 12:15.40 | farri | azeem: so no way I can make the chroot with a link outside |
| 12:16.00 | azeem | don't think so, no |
| 12:16.14 | azeem | farri: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:16.25 | mango | azeem: ifconfign output is http://pastebin.com/m2942ab67 |
| 12:16.32 | farri | azeem; 2.6.22.19-grsec2.1.11-vs2.2.0.7 |
| 12:17.00 | azeem | ok |
| 12:17.54 | farri | azeem: I am getting more and more reasons for changing provider to one supporting lenny |
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| 12:18.43 | mango | marlboro: the yahoo ip address did not work it is still trying to load. |
| 12:18.57 | farri | the good thing about dreamhost is that they offer unlimited storage and unlimited bandwith, others offer limited figures |
| 12:19.14 | farri | but it seems dreamhost doesn't yet support lenny |
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| 12:20.24 | farri | although lenny is now 6 months old |
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| 12:20.49 | mango | azeem: marlboro: any other clues to make this lenny go any faster... :( |
| 12:20.57 | farri | anyone here knows about some provider with a good offer supporting lenny? |
| 12:21.44 | azeem | farri: you can try to just upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev |
| 12:21.55 | azeem | not sure what you mean with "support lenny" or "not support lenny" |
| 12:22.07 | farri | azeem: isn't this dangerous upgrading libc6? |
| 12:22.17 | azeem | farri: in any case, are you sure that they allow the inotfy system calls? |
| 12:22.29 | azeem | well, I guess they probably do |
| 12:22.40 | marlboro | mango, your primary dns server is the default? |
| 12:22.48 | farri | azeem: support lenny means having lenny installed in machines and tech support on lenny that's what I mean |
| 12:23.01 | farri | azeem: yes, inotify for sure |
| 12:23.22 | farri | azeem: but how do you suggest me upgrading libc6? I am afraid the system will break |
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| 12:24.14 | valdyn | farri: whats the kernel on that system? |
| 12:24.36 | valdyn | farri: nevermind |
| 12:24.39 | valdyn | farri: saw it |
| 12:24.43 | marlboro | mango, add these two lines to /etc/resolv.con |
| 12:24.44 | mango | marlboro: are you asking me for my default dns server? |
| 12:25.16 | marlboro | nameserver 208.67.222.222 |
| 12:25.17 | valdyn | farri: maybe it is safe to upgrade everything but the kernel to lenny, maybe not |
| 12:25.17 | marlboro | nameserver 208.67.220.220 |
| 12:25.17 | farri | valdyn: yes, I pasted some lines before |
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| 12:25.17 | valdyn | farri: if you have a restore option thats probably worth a try |
| 12:25.22 | marlboro | it's opendns. is faster that the provider dns servers. |
| 12:25.23 | mango | i TREID THAT YESTERDAY...i GET THE PAGES BUT EVEN SLOWER THEN BEFORE...BUT LET ME TRY IT AGAIN |
| 12:25.33 | mango | MARLBORO: SORRY THAT WAS FOR YOU |
| 12:25.34 | farri | valdyn: what do you mean? aptitude upgrade? |
| 12:25.36 | ranix | caps lock is cruise control for cool |
| 12:25.46 | themill | takes away mango's capslock key |
| 12:25.47 | valdyn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 12:25.47 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 12:25.47 | marlboro | yepp |
| 12:25.54 | valdyn | farri: the whole what dpkg said |
| 12:26.26 | mango | marlboro: I tried that yesterday...i get the pages but even slower then before...but let me try it again |
| 12:26.48 | valdyn | mango: is ipv6 disabled yet? |
| 12:26.49 | farri | valdyn: well, that's a huge step, and my tech support is lost, they don't support lenny, they told me |
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| 12:27.00 | valdyn | farri: i see |
| 12:27.25 | valdyn | farri: ok, alternatively you can have your app link against new libc6 and new whatever |
| 12:27.33 | valdyn | farri: while keeping the system on etch |
| 12:27.39 | azeem | valdyn: it's a VPS, so he can't ugprade the kernel anyway |
| 12:27.55 | valdyn | azeem: yea, but i think 2.6.22 might be ok for lenny libc6 |
| 12:27.55 | farri | valdyn: the app is pythn, the daemon is just a python program |
| 12:27.59 | azeem | yes |
| 12:28.16 | valdyn | farri: that doesnt change much at all |
| 12:28.26 | azeem | farri: if you just install libc6 and libc6-dev from lenny, and keep your sources.list at etch otherwise, you should be fine |
| 12:28.47 | azeem | you can downgrade them to the etch versions in case of trouble as well |
| 12:28.50 | farri | azeem: wont system break? |
| 12:28.55 | valdyn | farri: you can have a quasi lenny system *on* *top* |
| 12:29.01 | valdyn | farri: using chroot or not using chroot |
| 12:29.10 | iiv | Hi all. Is it possible to use a guest's HDD image from Qemu + KVM (deb. package - kvm) on Qemu + kqemu (deb. package - qemu)? |
| 12:29.22 | farri | libc6 is a core part |
| 12:29.25 | valdyn | iiv: sure |
| 12:29.40 | farri | well, yes, I can make a chroot and move everyting inside |
| 12:29.45 | valdyn | iiv: you can even run that hdd image without virtualisation |
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| 12:30.11 | iiv | valdyn: but i've got a problem |
| 12:30.18 | farri | valdyn: but listen, I can't mount /proc into the chroot, so I can't create even a complete chroot |
| 12:30.26 | azeem | farri: can you even chroot? |
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| 12:30.34 | valdyn | farri: why cant you mount proc? |
| 12:30.34 | iiv | I've tried to use a WinXP x64 image installed on Qemu ver 0.9.1 + KVM [Debian stable] on Qemu ver 0.10.6 + kqemu [Debian testing] but the guest hung; in safe mode the last line before hang is "Loading [...] acpitabl.dat". |
| 12:30.47 | azeem | valdyn: grsec forbids it |
| 12:30.47 | farri | azeem: I can chroot, yes |
| 12:30.50 | valdyn | farri: chroot is not a requirement either |
| 12:30.50 | azeem | or whatever else is in the kernel |
| 12:30.54 | valdyn | azeem: i see |
| 12:31.31 | valdyn | farri: but since you dont need chroot thats not a big problem anyway |
| 12:31.37 | farri | oh come on, all this comes from running an outdated piece of sofware, I am paying for it! |
| 12:31.46 | azeem | etch is not outdated |
| 12:31.50 | farri | valdyn: I don't need chroot? |
| 12:32.00 | valdyn | farri: how often do i need to say it ;) |
| 12:32.14 | farri | valdyn: so what do you suggest me? |
| 12:32.15 | iiv | Is it belongs only to Window$ or guest OS? |
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| 12:32.19 | azeem | valdyn: but he doesn't want to ugprade to lenny |
| 12:32.25 | valdyn | azeem: not needed either |
| 12:32.26 | mango | valdyn: yes I have disabled it on firefox as well under /etc/modprob |
| 12:32.38 | valdyn | farri: its convenient if apt-get does not need proc though |
| 12:32.52 | valdyn | farri: because in that case you can use chroot to run apt-get to install software |
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| 12:33.03 | valdyn | farri: chroot is however *not* needed to run your app |
| 12:33.13 | farri | azeem: well, etch might not be outdated, but debian has alway old versions, an older stable means oldest versions |
| 12:33.25 | farri | valdyn: I am getting lost now |
| 12:33.42 | valdyn | farri: apt-get needs chroot to run |
| 12:33.47 | azeem | valdyn: it's really not clear what your recommendation is |
| 12:33.51 | valdyn | farri: but your application does not need chroot to run |
| 12:34.16 | farri | valdyn: my application is simply a python program that needs access to inotify, nothing more |
| 12:34.20 | valdyn | azeem: the linker does whatever he configures it to do, he doesnt need chroot to link against a debootstrapped lenny |
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| 12:35.06 | azeem | so you're suggesting a wrapper script or something? |
| 12:35.06 | farri | valdyn: ah ok, now I understand what you suggest, use the libraries there |
| 12:35.26 | farri | when I first came here it was due to some wrapper for using libraries and it was also giving me problems |
| 12:35.31 | valdyn | azeem: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/lenny/lib /path/to/runmyprogram, not very hard |
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| 12:36.07 | xstasi | hello! |
| 12:36.13 | valdyn | well maybe its hard if farri doesnt understand how the linker works |
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| 12:36.26 | xstasi | i'm having a problem with the debian installer |
| 12:36.34 | farri | valdyn: I was trying before some guide, gimme a moment if I can find it |
| 12:36.35 | xstasi | after partitioning the disks and setting up users |
| 12:36.46 | xstasi | the installer says that "Configuring the package manager" fails |
| 12:37.02 | xstasi | the only clue that syslog gives is.. "chroot: cannot execute tempfile: no such file or directory" |
| 12:37.17 | valdyn | farri: you can trick proc btw, i guess |
| 12:37.26 | valdyn | farri: mount --bind /proc /path/to/chroot/proc |
| 12:37.41 | azeem | 13:30 < valdyn> farri: why cant you mount proc? |
| 12:37.41 | valdyn | farri: unless grsecurity gets that one too |
| 12:37.48 | azeem | well, yes |
| 12:38.00 | azeem | it intercepts the mount() system call |
| 12:38.02 | valdyn | so he cant mount at all? |
| 12:38.16 | valdyn | bind mount and mounting proc is different... |
| 12:38.28 | azeem | it's the same system call |
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| 12:38.42 | valdyn | farri: you cannot mount anything at all? |
| 12:38.47 | azeem | yes |
| 12:38.59 | valdyn | ah, the service provider needs to be changed |
| 12:38.59 | farri | valdyn: I was reading this guide http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=66 |
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| 12:39.26 | valdyn | farri: yea, thats what im talking about, that guide |
| 12:39.27 | farri | valdyn: well, I am using dreamhostps, vps on debian machines, cheap version of private server |
| 12:39.39 | farri | valdyn: but I have tried this and didn't work |
| 12:39.47 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 12:39.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 12:40.02 | farri | valdyn: can you help me a moment with this guide to set up things? |
| 12:40.11 | valdyn | farri: i dont know what grsecurity can do to stop this, because i dont know grescurity |
| 12:40.22 | valdyn | farri: but beside that its trivial and it works |
| 12:40.22 | azeem | farri: you haven't explained what the problem is |
| 12:40.28 | EasyTUX | How should I disable screen locking in X (gnome) : "xset s off" is enough ? How should I do to set it as default (in startx maybe?) ? (it's embarrasing with randomly composed user's password I'm planning to enable...) |
| 12:40.37 | valdyn | farri: i dont know, please always put question not directly to me but to the public |
| 12:40.38 | farri | valdyn: well, I can try this other solution |
| 12:40.49 | farri | valdyn: sorry yes to the public |
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| 12:41.04 | farri | well, I will try the guide solution right now |
| 12:41.21 | valdyn | farri: if you need a guide to do this then you dont understand this trivial thing |
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| 12:41.42 | valdyn | farri: which is bad really, read man ld.so etc |
| 12:41.56 | ethanol | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 12:41.56 | ethanol | warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/hda1. |
| 12:41.58 | ethanol | is this bad? |
| 12:42.00 | ethanol | during apt-get upgrae |
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| 12:42.03 | ethanol | upgrade even |
| 12:42.07 | farri | valdyn: well, there are too many things to know, and everything has it's first time |
| 12:42.46 | azeem | ethanol: from what to what did you upgrade? |
| 12:42.48 | n3lab | hey hey |
| 12:42.55 | valdyn | farri: sure, im just trying to tell you that its would probable be worth the effort to learn ld.so, its not very hard |
| 12:43.05 | n3lab | does anybody get this bud in mplayer Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 719: _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed! |
| 12:43.05 | n3lab | ? |
| 12:43.15 | ethanol | azeem: lenny to lenny |
| 12:43.22 | ethanol | azeem: just an update & upgrade |
| 12:43.23 | n3lab | when movie ends |
| 12:43.32 | valdyn | n3lab: then its not really a problem? |
| 12:43.50 | n3lab | valdyn, it's annoing |
| 12:44.16 | EasyTUX | 've put "set s off" in .xinitrc... |
| 12:44.24 | ethanol | azeem: it downloaded a new kernel image though I believe |
| 12:44.45 | azeem | ethanol: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:44.49 | ethanol | azeem: Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-19 (using .../linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19lenny1_i386.deb) |
| 12:44.58 | n3lab | so anybody? |
| 12:45.10 | ethanol | azeem: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:45.13 | azeem | ok |
| 12:45.14 | farri | valdyn: one question, in this guide, within the wrapper, I am assigning LDENV, should I also include etch libraries in the path? |
| 12:45.27 | azeem | that guide is backwards IMO |
| 12:46.52 | azeem | what you want is a newer glibc in a different location |
| 12:46.52 | azeem | while keeping your current on as main |
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| 12:46.52 | azeem | one* |
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| 12:46.52 | n3lab | valdyn, do u know anything about this bug? |
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| 12:46.52 | MJD | n3lab: I had this error message recently. The problem is with openal and pulseaudio. If you edit /etc/openal/alsoft.conf and disable the pulse output driver, it will stop. |
| 12:46.52 | MJD | (it doesn't matter if you don't use pulseaudio. It just has to think it can use it. |
| 12:46.56 | n3lab | MJD, i think i don't have pulseaudio |
| 12:47.29 | MJD | n3lab: Neither do I. It was still the problem. |
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| 12:47.56 | n3lab | but this package hasn't installed |
| 12:48.00 | n3lab | hmm |
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| 12:48.13 | n3lab | ok. 10 x |
| 12:48.22 | xstasi | i've found the problem with debian installer |
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| 12:48.28 | xstasi | how do i report a bug on that one? |
| 12:49.11 | MJD | The problem is that the library is installed with openal. The actual pulseaudio system isn't installed, just the libraries. The problem is that openal has a problem when it loads the pulseaudio backend. |
| 12:49.19 | n3lab | MJD, and what must i deisabled in conf? |
| 12:49.32 | n3lab | i have |
| 12:49.33 | n3lab | ## PulseAudio backend stuff |
| 12:49.33 | n3lab | ## |
| 12:49.33 | n3lab | [pulse] |
| 12:49.34 | farri | azeem: yes, this guide is backwards, but why not forwards? |
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| 12:49.42 | azeem | farri: ? |
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| 12:49.52 | MJD | if you scroll down the the commented out driver line, uncomment it and remove the pulse piece from it. |
| 12:50.05 | farri | azeem: sorry, I was trying a solutio following the guide |
| 12:50.19 | farri | azeem: but this backwards guide should work forwards, shouldn't it? |
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| 12:50.28 | azeem | no idea what you mean |
| 12:50.31 | MJD | mine looks like: drivers = alsa,oss,solaris,dsound,winmm,port,wave |
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| 12:50.58 | farri | azeem: I have a chrooted lenny, I am using LDENV=/home/administradorweb/chroot-lenny/lib/ within the wrapper |
| 12:51.07 | azeem | ok |
| 12:51.09 | MJD | n3lab: its in bug 551018 |
| 12:51.13 | azeem | sounds right |
| 12:51.16 | farri | azeem: so it should use them |
| 12:51.26 | farri | azeem: but I am getting such a strange message |
| 12:51.40 | n3lab | MJD, ok. i see :) thanks |
| 12:51.40 | farri | azeem: can I pastebin my wrapper so you check it? |
| 12:52.01 | azeem | farri: you can tytr |
| 12:52.02 | azeem | try* |
| 12:52.14 | farri | !pastebin |
| 12:52.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 12:52.56 | merkel | find /files -exec qt_info {} | head -n 2 {} \; |
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| 12:53.15 | merkel | how to head output from qt_info |
| 12:53.20 | merkel | ? |
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| 12:53.33 | rvsjoen | remove the last {} |
| 12:53.57 | merkel | doesn't work |
| 12:54.01 | farri | azeem: I did something wrong, check http://pastie.org/669924 |
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| 12:54.10 | mesaGL | sid is such a tease. the new linux-image-2.6-686 dummy package has been available since saturday, but the actual (2.6.31) kernel is unavailable ... |
| 12:54.36 | jz^ | Helo. Does build-essential come in another language other than English ? |
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| 12:54.36 | simonrvn | mesaGL: such is life with sid |
| 12:54.36 | farri | azeem: I should be using ash but I don't have it installed within the chroot |
| 12:54.55 | simonrvn | jz^: build-essential is just a meta-package |
| 12:55.05 | azeem | farri: why do you think ld-linux.so.2 is now called libc-2.7.so |
| 12:55.24 | farri | azeem:oh, that was asupposition :) |
| 12:55.28 | rvsjoen | merkel: what does it say ? |
| 12:55.31 | n3lab | and when will be next debian? |
| 12:55.40 | n3lab | anybody knows?:) |
| 12:55.40 | azeem | n3lab: next year, maybe |
| 12:55.47 | n3lab | :( |
| 12:55.54 | n3lab | too long |
| 12:56.06 | merkel | head: ;: No such file or directory |
| 12:56.08 | merkel | find: -exec: no terminating ";" or "+" |
| 12:56.18 | farri | azeem: I see some d-linux-x86-64.so.2 in lib directory |
| 12:56.27 | farri | azeem: I see some ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 in lib directory sorry |
| 12:56.38 | simonrvn | merkel: \; |
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| 12:57.08 | simonrvn | merkel: otherwise your shell parses it |
| 12:57.18 | azeem | farri: do you have a amd64 etch as well? |
| 12:57.40 | farri | azeem: I think the machine I am is 64 now, I moved one week ago |
| 12:58.08 | farri | azeem: using this ld library the error message is more logical |
| 12:58.33 | rvsjoen | merkel: try -exec sh -c 'qt_info {} | head -n2' \; |
| 12:59.07 | farri | azeem: now a last question and this might be sorted out, I am using a local python install for pyinotify support in python2.5 |
| 12:59.37 | azeem | farri: I don't see why you can't ask further questions to the channel, instead of me directly |
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| 13:00.12 | farri | azeem: sorry excuses for annoying you persoally, it's innertia sorry |
| 13:00.18 | rvsjoen | azeem: it's probably the 'caring mother' principle |
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| 13:03.26 | farri | azeem: WOW IT WORKS NOW!! |
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| 13:03.41 | farri | many many thanks for your patience you all |
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| 13:04.11 | silidan | hi, how can i burn a data cd with debian lenny? |
| 13:04.33 | valdyn | silidan: in kde? in gnome? |
| 13:04.37 | merkel | rvsjoen: it gives no error but no output also :( |
| 13:04.40 | silidan | gnome |
| 13:04.40 | valdyn | silidan: on the command line? |
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| 13:04.46 | valdyn | silidan: aptitude install brasero |
| 13:04.56 | silidan | lol thats why is ask, brasere failed |
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| 13:05.06 | azeem | silidan: then ask your real question |
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| 13:05.19 | silidan | why didnt brasero work? |
| 13:05.31 | valdyn | silidan: why cant you tell us the error message? |
| 13:05.37 | valdyn | silidan: you need to be in the cdrom group |
| 13:05.46 | silidan | because i already clsed the widow :( |
| 13:05.50 | silidan | damn frustration! |
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| 13:06.13 | rvsjoen | merkel: it seems to work ok for me, didnt try with qt_info though, does it work if you do qt_info <file> | head -n2, without the find ? |
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| 13:06.51 | silidan | th thing is: i put in empty dvd, window popped up, put the files there in hit burn on cd/dvd..... image created, nothing more happened |
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| 13:07.16 | silidan | found an new iso in my home, righclock burn on cd/dvd-> after a while error |
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| 13:07.23 | merkel | rvsjoen: yes this way is ok |
| 13:07.25 | valdyn | silidan: theres a selector where you pick the drive |
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| 13:07.41 | silidan | yep as far as i can tell my drive was selected |
| 13:07.45 | [Jasper] | hej guys, does lvm dramatically slow down the write speed to my harddisks? |
| 13:07.49 | valdyn | silidan: but brasero cannot burn if you are not in the cdrom group |
| 13:07.51 | silidan | guess ill try it again |
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| 13:08.00 | valdyn | [Jasper]: no |
| 13:08.22 | rvsjoen | [Jasper]: is only adds another abstraction layer, so not really |
| 13:08.30 | silidan | sudo groups myusername returns alot, also cdrom |
| 13:08.41 | valdyn | silidan: you dont need sudo |
| 13:08.46 | valdyn | silidan: just "groups" would do |
| 13:08.59 | valdyn | silidan: alright then, in any case you can use brasero to create the image |
| 13:09.03 | silidan | besides i already managed to burn an iso image some time ago |
| 13:09.12 | valdyn | silidan: since its a dvd: growisofs -Z=/dev/dvd file.iso |
| 13:09.14 | rvsjoen | merkel: in that case it sounds strange, can you paste the whole command you used ? |
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| 13:10.00 | merkel | rvsjoen: find /Volumes/Mac\ HD/Users/darius/Desktop/untitled\ folder/ -exec sh -c 'qt_info {} | head -n 2' \; |
| 13:11.46 | justin | merkel: maybe you should be in #osx ? |
| 13:11.46 | EasyTUX | 0000-01-01 is a good date for an expired account... hu. |
| 13:11.46 | silidan | hm... now it started to write, only difference is i unchecked dont write image to disk, and didnt change the name of the dvd |
| 13:11.49 | rvsjoen | merkel: well, all I can really tell you is that this works for me: find -name "foo*" -exec sh -c 'cat {} | head -n1' \; |
| 13:12.06 | [Jasper] | hmm I'm trying to sync using drbd but it appears to be veyr slow...5 mb/s |
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| 13:12.28 | silidan | 5 millibyte/s is really slow |
| 13:12.38 | [Jasper] | .. |
| 13:12.54 | silidan | yea sorry |
| 13:12.56 | EasyTUX | What's the bash command involved in random passwd generator in /usr/bin/users-admin frontend ? If any... |
| 13:13.06 | azeem | [Jasper]: you can configure the sync-rate for drbd AFAIK |
| 13:13.41 | themill | EasyTUX: "pwgen" is a random passwd generator if that's what you're looking for |
| 13:14.01 | EasyTUX | themill: It is, many thanks. |
| 13:14.06 | [Jasper] | yes azeem I tried putting it on 100M, since I have 2 gbit nics syncing |
| 13:14.35 | _nofear | hi all, can anyone suggest me a simple software for backup some server files? I would like something else than rsync, and have already taken a look at AMANDA, but I don't if that's too much. |
| 13:14.58 | rvsjoen | _nofear: flexbackup |
| 13:15.10 | patrikf | _nofear: have a look at rdiff-backup and duplicity |
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| 13:15.42 | _nofear | great, I'll take a look at those. Thanks :) |
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| 13:20.17 | silidan | damnit again an internal error occured |
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| 13:21.31 | silidan | http://pastebin.com/d245e91a5 |
| 13:21.32 | garo | I noticed that lenny has the packages libc6, libc6-i686 and libc6-xen . But why is there not a libc6-xen-i686 ? |
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| 13:21.48 | XB23 | how do i install the perl devel libs |
| 13:21.49 | EasyTUX | pwgen -syn 24 : Great! |
| 13:21.50 | silidan | brasero or whatever put out an error again: http://pastebin.com/d245e91a5 |
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| 13:22.08 | silidan | olol and also the cd |
| 13:22.48 | rvsjoen | garo: are there even xen support on lower architectures ? |
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| 13:23.01 | XB23 | anyone know the package name for perl dev libs? |
| 13:23.07 | garo | hm, good point |
| 13:24.02 | silidan | but it looks like the burning process finished... the dvd seems ok |
| 13:24.14 | rvsjoen | garo: I dont know, just a wild guess |
| 13:24.28 | garo | so libc6-xen will probably be optimized for 686 and higher... thanks |
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| 13:26.29 | XB23 | anyone heard of c-ares? |
| 13:26.36 | XB23 | a c dev lib or something |
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| 13:27.08 | rvsjoen | the async dns thingy ? |
| 13:27.15 | fredl | !anyone |
| 13:27.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:27.52 | XB23 | yeh rvsjoen |
| 13:28.02 | XB23 | do you know the lib name for it? |
| 13:28.42 | Cerise | libc-ares-dev? |
| 13:29.24 | rvsjoen | or libares-dev |
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| 13:29.30 | rvsjoen | not sure what the difference is |
| 13:29.38 | derchris^work | libc-ares2 |
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| 13:30.03 | rvsjoen | oh, the lib name, not the headers... |
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| 13:37.22 | bluesword1969 | find / -t file -name *.jpg -size +1M <-- this will find all files 1 MB and greater, but what about finding all the files less than 1 MB? |
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| 13:37.54 | rvsjoen | -1M ? |
| 13:38.25 | Yeretik | Hi, i'm having a permissions problem... I have a corrupted directory with permissions: [ d????????? ? ? ? ? ? TV Shows ] and i can't delete it or rename it o change its permissions... Any suggestion ? |
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| 13:39.00 | rvsjoen | how did you manage that |
| 13:39.08 | Titan8990 | ^ lol was about to ask that |
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| 13:40.51 | Yeretik | ? |
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| 13:41.05 | XB23 | i just tried c-ares |
| 13:41.07 | XB23 | checking for c_ares... no |
| 13:41.07 | XB23 | configure: error: c-ares not found. |
| 13:41.16 | rvsjoen | XB23: did you install the dev package ? |
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| 13:41.31 | radoe | Yeretik: seems your filesystem is screwed up. Try to run a fsck on it, maybe some data can be recovered, but prepare to restore your backup. |
| 13:41.36 | XB23 | libc-ares-dev and libares-dev dosent exist on the apt-get |
| 13:41.53 | XB23 | E: Couldn't find package libc-ares-dev |
| 13:42.08 | rvsjoen | what about libares-dev |
| 13:42.12 | justin | judd: versions libc-ares-dev |
| 13:42.13 | judd | justin: libc-ares-dev -- lenny: 1.5.2-4 sid: 1.6.0-2 squeeze: 1.6.0-2 |
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| 13:42.26 | justin | XB23: etch? |
| 13:42.31 | XB23 | libares-dev is already the newest version. |
| 13:42.46 | XB23 | im not sure what version it is lol how do i check that? |
| 13:42.55 | XB23 | i think its etch |
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| 13:44.03 | radoe | XB23: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:44.10 | XB23 | 4.0 |
| 13:45.02 | radoe | XB23: thats etch then. |
| 13:45.29 | XB23 | which is the correct package i need |
| 13:45.45 | XB23 | apt-cache search finds |
| 13:45.45 | XB23 | libares-dev - asynchronous dns resolver library |
| 13:45.46 | XB23 | libares0 - asynchronous dns resolver library |
| 13:45.50 | XB23 | but both of them are up to date |
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| 13:47.01 | Gnoll | hi |
| 13:47.51 | XB23 | anyone able to help |
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| 13:48.36 | themill | !wayttd XB23 |
| 13:48.36 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, XB23? |
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| 13:51.19 | [Jasper] | hej, is there anyone who can tell me how I can analyse harddisk performance |
| 13:51.26 | [Jasper] | I'm having the impression I got a slow harddisk |
| 13:51.43 | derchris^work | bonie++ |
| 13:51.49 | mesaGL | [Jasper]: hdparm -Tt will give you some clues on read performance |
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| 13:52.26 | rvsjoen | does hdparm work on scsi disks ? |
| 13:53.17 | derchris^work | most likely not |
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| 13:56.16 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.35 | superlinux | and the acroread plugin too |
| 13:56.42 | [Jasper] | is there anyone here who can help me test my scsi disks...I have the impressoin I am getting low performance |
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| 13:57.08 | abrotman | sdparm can do some testing i believe .. |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | bonnie also |
| 13:57.17 | superlinux | [Jasper], isn't there any testing tool for disks? |
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| 13:57.47 | superlinux | abrotman, can you help me with my silly problem? |
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| 13:59.38 | abrotman | superlinux: i don't use acroread (evince works just fine) |
| 13:59.48 | superlinux | ah ok |
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| 14:00.05 | ultralazer | xpdf even |
| 14:00.06 | abrotman | superlinux: are you actually using FF or IW ? |
| 14:00.12 | abrotman | ultralazer: that works fine too |
| 14:00.32 | rvsjoen | does evince do comments ? |
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| 14:00.33 | superlinux | abrotman, I am using the original Firefox |
| 14:00.40 | superlinux | 3.5.3 |
| 14:01.22 | superlinux | however, abrotman does this open with you inside your Firefox browser? |
| 14:01.31 | abrotman | superlinux: then you should ask them .. you're asking about two programs that are from outside Debian .. |
| 14:02.13 | abrotman | maybe try intsalling mozplugger .. only thing i can think of |
| 14:02.15 | superlinux | abrotman, same with Iceweasel I think |
| 14:02.33 | mesaGL | superlinux: that link worked for me. ff 3.5.3, acro* 9.2 |
| 14:02.33 | abrotman | IMO, just use evince/kpdf/xpdf |
| 14:02.46 | superlinux | mesaGL, mmmmm!! |
| 14:03.24 | superlinux | mesaGL, I cannot. I just dont understand why. I can open any file but this one. |
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| 14:03.46 | mesaGL | superlinux: dunno then. edit the preferences in acroread |
| 14:03.49 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.51 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:04.01 | superlinux | mesaGL, thanks |
| 14:04.14 | superlinux | mesaGL, all I get is a blank page |
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| 14:05.08 | bpgoldsb | I'm getting some untrusted packages warnings when I try to install opensyncutils and opensync-plugin-syncml. Anyone know how to debug that? |
| 14:05.18 | \amethyst | superlinux: you'd expect to see ~ in a terminal, since the terminal should be sending <Esc>[6~ for pgdn |
| 14:05.20 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring;aptitude update |
| 14:05.22 | bpgoldsb | I have the latest version of debian-archive-keyring, just ran aptitude sync |
| 14:05.31 | bpgoldsb | er, aptitude update |
| 14:05.48 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: put the error in a pastebin |
| 14:06.05 | mesaGL | superlinux: sounds like you don't have it all installed. i have acroread acroread-data acroread-debian-files acroread-dictionary-en acroread-escript acroread-l10n-en acroread-plugins mozilla-acroread, all from marillat (debian multimedia) |
| 14:06.05 | rgr | \amethyst: I guess that was to me. It never did before. And it worked fine running emacs -nw i na terminal too. |
| 14:06.07 | bpgoldsb | http://pastebin.com/m26c80d34 |
| 14:06.38 | rgr | but can you think of any reason its hosed in emacs gtk, firefox etc? |
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| 14:06.54 | superlinux | \amethyst, I download the *.bin pkg direct download to use acro* |
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| 14:07.50 | themill | bpgoldsb: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy opensync-plugin-syncml libsyncml0 opensyncutils libopensync0 libwbxml2-0; apt-cache policy" |
| 14:08.04 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: also publeh themill got it |
| 14:08.09 | abrotman | though i'd like to see sources.list also |
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| 14:08.38 | \amethyst | superlinux: sorry, I sent that the the wrong person :( |
| 14:08.41 | \amethyst | rgr: hm |
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| 14:09.06 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: and 'aptitude update;apt-get update' .. no errors ? |
| 14:09.16 | XB23 | !wayttd xb23 |
| 14:09.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, xb23? |
| 14:09.20 | XB23 | lol cool |
| 14:09.23 | \amethyst | rgr: so it works in gnome-terminal but not other gtk programs? |
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| 14:09.57 | jelly-home | !test |
| 14:09.57 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 14:10.03 | BearDK | anyone know how to disable temperature check on Debian 4? My Thinkpad shuts down when it reaches 89C and it's really annoying |
| 14:10.31 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, no errors. Just some ign's |
| 14:10.38 | themill | BearDK: my laptop claimed it reached 3952°C yesterday. I win. |
| 14:10.53 | XB23 | 89c on a laptop |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: from both commands ? |
| 14:10.57 | XB23 | geesh thats problems |
| 14:11.17 | rgr | \amethyst: well, if returning ~ to the command line is working then yes. But it used to work better and do nthing and page up/down any curses type program in the terminal. pg-down does not work in any of my dekstop apps either. |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | BearDK: you could try disabling acpi |
| 14:11.34 | BearDK | abrotman: how? |
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| 14:11.36 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, corrent. |
| 14:11.44 | \amethyst | rgr: you said it worked in emacs -nw in a gnome-terminal? |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | BearDK: are you sure it's not actually hitting that temp because fans aren't turning on ? |
| 14:11.51 | rgr | no, I said it used to. |
| 14:11.56 | \amethyst | rgr: oh |
| 14:11.56 | rgr | (sorry if not clear) |
| 14:12.01 | bpgoldsb | themill, http://pastebin.com/m7ed23aac dpkg.teamgleim.com is my local approx mirror |
| 14:12.13 | BearDK | abrotman: I can hear them |
| 14:12.22 | \amethyst | rgr: run xev, move the mouse over the window, and press pgdown |
| 14:12.25 | rgr | its the move from lenny to testing that seems to have done it. Its currently the only open issue I have. |
| 14:12.26 | themill | BearDK: "rmmod thermal" is what I'm trying out to see if that solves it for me... |
| 14:12.29 | rgr | ok |
| 14:12.40 | BearDK | themill: ok, thanks |
| 14:12.41 | \amethyst | rgr: you should get a KeyPress event with keycode 105 or so |
| 14:12.54 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: did you get those pastes for themill? |
| 14:12.59 | \amethyst | rgr: what are the state, keycode, and keysym? (third line of the event)? |
| 14:13.10 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, yes. http://pastebin.com/m7ed23aac dpkg.teamgleim.com is my local approx mirror |
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| 14:13.38 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: do you get the error if you go directly to a mirror ? |
| 14:13.49 | bpgoldsb | Heh. Lets find out. |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | (though i use approx and i don't get those issues i don't think) |
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| 14:14.14 | bpgoldsb | Approx likes to randomly corrupt the cache. Less so in Lenny than Etch. |
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| 14:14.18 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: FWIW .. approx can do the security.debian.org stuff also |
| 14:14.50 | bpgoldsb | Whats the standard anymore.. archive.debian.org? |
| 14:15.13 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 14:16.59 | rgr | state x10, keycode 117, (keysym 0xffb7,menu) |
| 14:17.07 | rgr | \amethyst: ^ |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | OMG .. not ffb7!!! |
| 14:17.27 | bpgoldsb | my ffb's go to 11 |
| 14:17.33 | rgr | very funny ... |
| 14:17.51 | bpgoldsb | This isn't TBS. |
| 14:17.54 | amee2k | sweet. i aptitude install vsftpd and it removes libass, libfaad, libneon, libtalloc and totem :P |
| 14:18.04 | bpgoldsb | Did you really want libass? :P |
| 14:18.25 | amee2k | it was installed, probably a dependency :P |
| 14:18.25 | abrotman | amee2k: on lenny? |
| 14:18.51 | amee2k | /etc/debian_version says squeeze |
| 14:18.58 | amee2k | squeeze/sid actually |
| 14:19.01 | amee2k | wuteva |
| 14:19.03 | abrotman | amee2k: when is the last time you did a full-upgrade ? |
| 14:19.24 | amee2k | define full upfrade? |
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| 14:19.36 | jelly-hme | "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 14:19.45 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, aha. approx broke my cache. |
| 14:19.47 | abrotman | amee2k: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 14:19.50 | amee2k | i'm installing updates that show up as that red "upgrades available" arrow in the tray |
| 14:19.59 | bpgoldsb | I updated my sources, went to install, worked fine. |
| 14:20.12 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: hrm .. i've not seen this with approx |
| 14:20.12 | bpgoldsb | So I stopped approx, cleared out the caches, and restarted |
| 14:20.14 | amee2k | never did that from the command line tho |
| 14:20.24 | abrotman | i'm actually quite enamored with approx |
| 14:20.51 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, are you calling it from inetd/xinetd, or running the daemon? |
| 14:20.56 | abrotman | daemon |
| 14:21.02 | bpgoldsb | Ya. So am I. |
| 14:21.08 | amee2k | abrotman: why? |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | amee2k: why what? |
| 14:21.29 | amee2k | why ask whether i did that upgrade thing? |
| 14:21.43 | abrotman | amee2k: because you might have pretty old packages on your system .. give it a whirl |
| 14:22.02 | amee2k | mmmk |
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| 14:23.44 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, How many boxes do you have using your approx server? |
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| 14:24.30 | bpgoldsb | I should say, how many clients. |
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| 14:25.28 | yucatan1 | what is a good FREE alternative for exchange on debian? |
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| 14:25.46 | bpgoldsb | yuastnav, postfix and dovecot. |
| 14:26.00 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: at least a dozen .. if they're not lenny/i386, they're not using it |
| 14:26.03 | bpgoldsb | choose an MTA from: postfix, exim, qmail |
| 14:26.04 | petemc | yucatan1: groupware is hard to get right, there isnt anything exactly comparable to exchange |
| 14:26.18 | bpgoldsb | Chose an IMAP server from: dovecot, courier |
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| 14:26.39 | \amethyst | rgr: hm... if you change the layout in gnome-keyboard-properties does it fix it? |
| 14:26.43 | yucatan1 | can Microst outlook connec to that? |
| 14:26.44 | bpgoldsb | If you want calendars and all that Jazz.. Keep with exchange |
| 14:26.48 | petemc | waits for a good calendar server recommendation |
| 14:27.01 | NoReflex | Hello! I'm using 2.6.31-020631-generic. Is there a way to tell how a specific component is connected to the mainboard? I don't have physical access to the machine. The part I'm curios about is a SCSI controller card: Adaptec AIC-7892P U160/m. |
| 14:27.07 | brucelee321 | hi!! help me to set CFLAGS to compile from sources via apt-build... Is here somebody who did it? |
| 14:27.13 | bpgoldsb | petemc, I find Apache + Dav makes a great calendar server |
| 14:27.15 | \amethyst | rgr: xmodmap is the way I know of fixing it, but it's deprecated in favour of xkb I guess |
| 14:27.19 | NoReflex | The reason I'm asking this is beacuse I get very poor performance even though I have 15k RPM SCSI disks |
| 14:27.24 | bpgoldsb | NoCode, try lshw |
| 14:27.43 | Seb | petemc: zimbra ? |
| 14:27.46 | bpgoldsb | It should say which BUS it's on |
| 14:27.53 | \amethyst | rgr: however, on a standard US keyboard, 117 *is* the menu key |
| 14:28.09 | \amethyst | rgr: and pgdown is 105 |
| 14:28.14 | yucatan1 | i just dont understand why there ist a good software packet for debian that support the same functions as exchange suchs as calander etc etc that can communicate with microsoft outlook |
| 14:28.25 | NoReflex | bpgoldsb: I tried lshw -C storage and it says: bus info: pci@0000:00:03.0 |
| 14:28.30 | \amethyst | evolution + evolution-exchange ? |
| 14:28.43 | \amethyst | oh, you mean a server |
| 14:28.54 | bpgoldsb | yucatan1, you need to start by defining what part or parts of exchange you want to replace. |
| 14:29.09 | yucatan1 | wwhy i cannot say "all" |
| 14:29.11 | bpgoldsb | From what I remember, there's a lot of parts in Exchange. Calendars, email, etc |
| 14:29.18 | BearDK | abrotman: sorry to bug you again, but it seems the fan doesn't go to full speed. Is there a way to do this manully? |
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| 14:29.29 | yucatan1 | the head thing is mail |
| 14:29.34 | NoReflex | also : logical name: scsi2 version: 02 width: 64 bits clock: 66MHz. Does this mean the top speed I can get from my HDDs (even with RAID -software, hardware) is 133 MB/s ? |
| 14:29.39 | brucelee321 | anybody can answer my question? |
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| 14:30.05 | NoReflex | brucelee321: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:30.07 | yucatan1 | pbgoldbsd how did u make a calander server using apacke |
| 14:30.09 | yucatan1 | apache |
| 14:30.18 | bpgoldsb | yuastnav, Well, mail is easy. Outlook can use any IMAP server. So setup an IMAP server (Dovecot, Courier, or Cyrus) and a Mail Transport Agent (Postfix, Exim, Qmail) |
| 14:30.25 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: I still can't setup the time machine server.. they didn't precise which version of pcapnav they need |
| 14:30.58 | bpgoldsb | yucatan1, it took a lot of work. There's better solutions out there. I use google domains for it now. |
| 14:31.15 | bpgoldsb | NoCode, sounds like it |
| 14:31.22 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, sounds like it |
| 14:31.41 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: do you have a lot more machines using yours ? |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | BearDK: depends .. some hardware has software to control the fan |
| 14:31.55 | bpgoldsb | abrotman, 50 or 60 clients, ya |
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| 14:32.03 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: but only that one was broken ? |
| 14:32.13 | bpgoldsb | I wasn't trying those packages on another one ;) |
| 14:32.17 | rgr | \amethyst: but the question is why its now 117 but wasnt before too I guess. |
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| 14:32.22 | NoReflex | bpgoldsb: do you know a way I can check if the mobo has PCI-Express ports? I'm thinking of buying a SCSI controller on PCI-Express - may that would help |
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| 14:32.30 | abrotman | but i would have thought the cache would have been messed for the others |
| 14:32.49 | brucelee321 | <yucatan1> i have installed precompiled packages, but i want to compile it especially for my processor with using apt-build. But i can't set optimization variable like CFLAGS... not only O3, but -mtune=core2. |
| 14:32.50 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, your original problem is read / write speed, correct? |
| 14:33.00 | _echa | hi, i want to use IBM Rational ClearCase on Debian Lenny, has anyone successfully installed it before? |
| 14:33.00 | NoReflex | bpgoldsb: yes |
| 14:33.03 | amee2k | abrotman: right. it does upgrade some more packages |
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| 14:33.15 | themill | !gentoosmite brucelee321 |
| 14:33.15 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling brucelee321, and when it's all done, brucelee321 runs 6% slower than previously |
| 14:33.22 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, have you actually seen what kind of throughput your getting? It would help diagnose the problem |
| 14:33.22 | petemc | yucatan1: do you know whats involved with the creation of a good groupware solution? |
| 14:33.28 | brucelee321 | <NoReflex> i have installed precompiled packages, but i want to compile it especially for my processor with using apt-build. But i can't set optimization variable like CFLAGS... not only O3, but -mtune=core2. |
| 14:33.29 | themill | M4K4V3l1: that doesn't help matters at all |
| 14:33.36 | NoReflex | I get about 60 MB/s tops .. sometimes 20 MB/s :( |
| 14:33.40 | brucelee321 | <yucatan1> pardon... |
| 14:33.49 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, using what style of raid? |
| 14:34.02 | rgr | bpgoldsb: is there any hidden "for free" link for google domains? I need it for calendar sync with my mobile. Standard active sync only syncs my main account calendar and the other ones I include. |
| 14:34.16 | M4K4V3l1 | themill: in my place.. how will you proceed ? |
| 14:34.22 | bpgoldsb | bpgoldsb, it's free for personal use. Limited to 50 accounts. |
| 14:34.31 | bpgoldsb | s/bpgoldsb/rgr |
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| 14:34.48 | NoReflex | bpgoldsb: I tried RIAD0 and RAID5 software (mdadm) and RAID0 and RAID5 hardware - with Dell PERC3/DC controller |
| 14:34.55 | rgr | google domains? really? I looked last night and only the preview was free. |
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| 14:35.04 | rgr | I'll look again. |
| 14:35.13 | bpgoldsb | rgr, I signed up over a year ago, maybe they changed it. But it used to be |
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| 14:35.15 | bpgoldsb | I imagine it still is |
| 14:35.28 | Toniiio | hello |
| 14:35.30 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, wait. You've got a hardware raid controller and you're using software raid? |
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| 14:35.36 | Toniiio | what is the french channel for debian? |
| 14:35.54 | \amethyst | !fr |
| 14:35.54 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:36.07 | Toniiio | thanj you ;) |
| 14:36.11 | \amethyst | Toniiio: note that that is a different network |
| 14:36.12 | Toniiio | k* |
| 14:36.12 | NoReflex | bpgoldsb: when the hardware controller was as slow as 60 MB/s I tried software too.... |
| 14:36.18 | Toniiio | yes no problem |
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| 14:36.31 | rgr | nah, just checked : Google Apps Sync need a paid for subscription. |
| 14:36.41 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, ah. I see. How many disks on the controller? |
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| 14:36.59 | rgr | !ch |
| 14:36.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ch is Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: http://debian.ch/ which lives in #debian.ch . See also #linux.ch on Freenode. |
| 14:37.21 | NoReflex | It's on a Dell PowerEdge 6650 server. 5 disks from which 4 I want to use for RAID |
| 14:37.22 | bpgoldsb | rgr, try google domains, not google apps. http://www.google.com/a/cpanel/domain/new |
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| 14:37.43 | \amethyst | dpkg, fr =~ s/French/Francophone/ |
| 14:37.43 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 14:37.44 | themill | rgr: calendar sync doesn't need google apps or even google domains (you can do it with just a gmail account) |
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| 14:37.59 | seniorake | how can i set th ulimit for open files for a specific user as root? |
| 14:38.06 | seniorake | the hard- and soft limit |
| 14:38.21 | \amethyst | seniorake: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 14:38.29 | \amethyst | seniorake: it only affects new logins |
| 14:38.34 | seniorake | but this requires a restart |
| 14:38.40 | seniorake | yes, i need this on line |
| 14:38.41 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, I don't think you're hitting the PCI bus limit. But keep in mind the bus speed is shared. |
| 14:38.47 | \amethyst | seniorake: you can't change the ulimit on an existing process |
| 14:39.01 | bpgoldsb | NoReflex, whats the raid controller model? |
| 14:39.05 | rgr | bpgoldsb: oh. I cant use my existing domain name as it wants to rewrite the dns. |
| 14:39.06 | seniorake | hm. an example: assume a process is running as user foo |
| 14:39.11 | seniorake | with ulimit open files 1024 |
| 14:39.24 | seniorake | then i set in limits.conf e.g. 64k and kill the process and restart it |
| 14:39.33 | seniorake | would that be enough to make 64k effective? |
| 14:39.37 | \amethyst | seniorake: where is it started from? |
| 14:40.01 | bpgoldsb | rgr, it only wants to rewrite sub domains, and even that is optional |
| 14:40.06 | seniorake | what is it you mean? |
| 14:40.09 | \amethyst | seniorake: the user is logged in? then the user's shell still has a ulimit of 1024 |
| 14:40.11 | rgr | ok I'll give it a lash. thanks. |
| 14:40.49 | \amethyst | seniorake: the user will need to log in again after the change, or you will need to launch a new shell for the user as root after changing the ulimit |
| 14:40.55 | seniorake | that user has /bin/false as shell, it is a httpd |
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| 14:41.51 | NoReflex | bpgoldsb: Dell PERC 3/DC RAID Controller |
| 14:41.56 | \amethyst | seniorake: then you will need to set the ulimit in the daemon's init script (which is run as root), and restart the daemon |
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| 14:42.30 | \amethyst | seniorake: or 'reload', which for apache does a graceful restart (existing connections aren't terminated) |
| 14:42.38 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 14:42.48 | [Jasper] | is there a testing program to test scsi disks from within linux |
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| 14:44.02 | NoReflex | jasper bonnie, good ol' dd, hdparm? |
| 14:44.07 | benedikt | anybody remeber what CDs are neccesary to make a default desktop install? I cant use netinstall due to a slow network connection. |
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| 14:44.24 | simonrvn | cd 1 |
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| 14:44.41 | [Jasper] | NoReflex I tried hdparm Timing buffered disk reads: read(2097152) returned 356352 bytes |
| 14:44.47 | [Jasper] | that's the result...doesn't look goed doe tis |
| 14:45.00 | benedikt | simonrvn: does cd1 contain gnome and everythined needed for the desktop install? last time i installed a desktop it was ~4GB after install. |
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| 14:45.18 | NoReflex | Jasper what do you get from hdparm -Tt /dev/sdX |
| 14:45.21 | simonrvn | mostly. see popcon |
| 14:45.26 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 14:45.26 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 14:45.39 | benedikt | simonrvn: thanks. |
| 14:45.44 | [Jasper] | sdX NoReflex ? |
| 14:45.53 | [Jasper] | oh you mean c |
| 14:46.10 | [Jasper] | buffer i/o error on device sdc |
| 14:46.12 | NoReflex | you replace is with your disk indetifier /dev/sda /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc... |
| 14:46.26 | [Jasper] | 413,53 MB/sec also |
| 14:46.39 | NoReflex | Jasper try ls -lh /dev/sd* |
| 14:46.56 | NoReflex | that should tell you which devices you have |
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| 14:47.08 | [Jasper] | buffered disk reads seam to be failing on the 3rd harddisk |
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| 14:48.08 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
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| 14:48.23 | Ronis_BR | I'm having a problem with console-setup, it is setting the right font only in the actual tty |
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| 14:48.32 | NoReflex | Jasper I'm curios....what speeds do you get from your other harddisks? I get Timing cached reads: 1066 MB in 2.00 seconds = 532.19 MB/sec, Timing buffered disk reads: 198 MB in 3.03 seconds = 65.38 MB/sec from a 15k rpm scsi hdd |
| 14:48.38 | Ronis_BR | for all the others, the font encoding or something are wrong |
| 14:49.20 | [Jasper] | NoReflex http://www.pastebin.org/48385 |
| 14:49.31 | Ronis_BR | like, if I use UTF-8 locale, than everything goes fine. But I want to use ISO-8859-1, so only the actual tty that I restart console-setup is being updated right |
| 14:49.50 | [Jasper] | seems problematic NoReflex :P |
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| 14:50.55 | NoReflex | [Jasper]: indeed it does...:( I get Timing cached reads: 2134 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1067.49 MB/sec, Timing buffered disk reads: 188 MB in 3.03 seconds = 62.12 MB/sec, from my notebook 5400 RPM sata disk |
| 14:51.26 | jmut | hi I am trying to utilize start-stop-daemon to create simple bash deamon. lets just say it's work is to periodically touch one file. |
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| 14:51.56 | [Jasper] | any further diagnostic programs i can try NoReflex |
| 14:52.19 | NoReflex | [Jasper]: I think you could try bonnie++ |
| 14:52.30 | Ronis_BR | anyone? |
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| 14:54.48 | [Jasper] | installing it now NoReflex |
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| 14:56.36 | [Jasper] | NoReflex what would be the command to test wiuth bonnie++ |
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| 14:57.33 | NoReflex | [Jasper]: go to the mounted partition of the drive you want to test and bonnie++ |
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| 14:57.47 | NoReflex | it will take some time... |
| 14:57.58 | el_critter | Hi, today I booted my computer and found a rare condition with lvm2, gnome, dmsetup... anyone in here is aware of that? |
| 14:58.15 | el_critter | it seems like I can't have lvm2 and gnome installed at the same time! |
| 14:58.15 | azeem | el_critter: "a rare condition"? |
| 14:58.19 | valdyn | !tell el_critter -about ask |
| 14:58.23 | azeem | el_critter: ah, that |
| 14:58.30 | azeem | that is currently the case in unstable, yes |
| 14:58.42 | xand | what's the program that lists UUIDs of harddisk partitions? |
| 14:58.54 | valdyn | el_critter: thats business as usual in unstable |
| 14:59.05 | azteech | which would be the best cd version of debian linux to download for installing on to a old dell inspiron 7500 laptop....have only 192mb ram/shared video/40GB hd, running wireless "n" what mods would I need to have available for wireless "n" to work from start? |
| 14:59.18 | el_critter | oh man .... but I think that is a very terrible situation.... maybe more than 50% of debian users must use lvm+gnome combination :S |
| 14:59.19 | mbn_18 | Hi, how ntp is working under debian? I dont seem to find ntpd |
| 14:59.19 | NoReflex | xand: ls -lh /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 14:59.26 | azeem | el_critter: only the unstable users |
| 14:59.35 | valdyn | el_critter: maybe unstable users can easily deal with that |
| 14:59.47 | valdyn | el_critter: ( i can, my gnome is fine ) |
| 14:59.56 | xand | NoReflex: it's not that - it's a program itself. that doesn't work for devices connected after boot |
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| 15:00.10 | \amethyst | mbn_18: it's in the package 'ntp', with the daemon in /usr/sbin |
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| 15:00.48 | el_critter | valdyn: can you tell me how did you fix it please? I'm on ubuntu livecd, chrooted to my original lvm root partition and installed dmsetup and lvm2 but now I cannot install gnome |
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| 15:00.55 | NoReflex | xand: I don't understand what you mean....on my computer it lists the two partitions on my HDD and their uuids |
| 15:01.03 | valdyn | el_critter: you dont need the "gnome" package to run gnome |
| 15:01.14 | xand | NoReflex: it often doesn't work when I plugin usb drives |
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| 15:01.17 | valdyn | el_critter: you can install all of gnome except the part that depends on devicekit-disks afaik |
| 15:01.22 | xand | there's a program that does though |
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| 15:01.29 | Hyperi- | Hi, I just installed fresh Debian, with PHP5+Apache2+MySQL |
| 15:01.35 | NoReflex | xand: e2label? |
| 15:01.38 | Hyperi- | Now I tried to apt-get install phpmyadmin, and it gives me permission denied errors :/ |
| 15:01.42 | balzac5000 | I just did an rsync restore of a lenny machine and when running lilo I get a "/proc/misc: fopen failed: No such file or directory" error - anyone have any hints? |
| 15:01.56 | Hyperi- | And error.log says "client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/phpmyadmin" |
| 15:02.03 | xand | NoReflex: I found it, it's blkid |
| 15:02.09 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: I see, it suppose to work as a daemon? or I should run it through cron? |
| 15:02.29 | NoReflex | xand: glad you found it |
| 15:02.36 | linelevel | Hi all. How can I install java6 on debian 4? apt-get can't find sun-java6-* even though it has all the sun-java5-* files. |
| 15:02.42 | \amethyst | mbn_18: it's supposed to work as a daemon so it can keep time in sync without big leaps |
| 15:02.53 | Hyperi- | linelevel: did you enable non-free ? |
| 15:03.01 | el_critter | valdyn: Is there a command to show the gnome packages I should install? or a list somewhere? I need to finish an asterisk deployment and I need to get back my computer asap |
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| 15:03.24 | valdyn | el_critter: you dont need gnome to fix asterisk |
| 15:03.25 | jmut | I see that bash script I do with start-stop-daemon actually do something but I see pid file actually not created...any clue ? |
| 15:03.35 | valdyn | el_critter: so just install back your dmsetup and lvm2 packages |
| 15:03.57 | Hyperi- | Anyone here knows why installing 'phpmyadmin' gives 403 error and " client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/phpmyadmin" ? :/ |
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| 15:04.03 | \amethyst | mbn_18: 'ntpdate' (in the package of the same name) is the single-shot program, but ntpd is almost always better |
| 15:04.11 | el_critter | valdyn: useless answer, but thanks. |
| 15:04.23 | linelevel | Hyperi-: yes, it's in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:04.30 | valdyn | el_critter: its the fix to your problem. |
| 15:04.30 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: Thats what I am used too from CentOS. but there its under init.d. How do I daemonize ntpdate-debian ? |
| 15:04.38 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: I dont have ntpd |
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| 15:04.46 | Hyperi- | linelevel: weird, installed nicely for me |
| 15:04.51 | linelevel | I have the line: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:05.05 | Hyperi- | hyperi@dusktodawn:~$ apt-cache search java6 |
| 15:05.05 | Hyperi- | sun-java6-bin - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files) |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | linelevel: see if it's at backports.org |
| 15:05.10 | linelevel | Hyperi-, I should mention that I'm running oldstable, if that makes a difference. |
| 15:05.10 | \amethyst | mbn_18: install the ntp package and you will have ntpd |
| 15:05.19 | Hyperi- | linelevel: I guess it could, mine is newest :P |
| 15:05.20 | \amethyst | mbn_18: start it with /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 15:05.22 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: It is installed. strange |
| 15:05.29 | abrotman | !tell linelevel about bpo |
| 15:05.37 | el_critter | el_critter: I need gnome |
| 15:05.43 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: I also listed the package file. couldnt find it |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | i think he knows that ... |
| 15:05.46 | valdyn | mbn_18: just install the ntp package, you dont need anything else |
| 15:05.50 | [Jasper] | NoReflex I can't really test it on one partition |
| 15:05.53 | el_critter | valdyn: I need gnome |
| 15:05.54 | \amethyst | mbn_18: what version of debian |
| 15:05.55 | \amethyst | ? |
| 15:05.58 | [Jasper] | can't i use bonnie++ to test a certain harddisk |
| 15:06.00 | abrotman | el_critter: why does your asterix server need Gnome ? |
| 15:06.05 | valdyn | el_critter: to fix asterisk? |
| 15:06.09 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: 5.0 |
| 15:06.12 | valdyn | el_critter: really funny |
| 15:06.14 | abrotman | and why is your asterisk server running on unstable? |
| 15:06.31 | _echa | el_critter: i had the same issue |
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| 15:06.51 | _echa | el_critter: don't use debian unstable |
| 15:06.52 | \amethyst | mbn_18: then the package 'ntp' should have /usr/sbin/ntpd ... if you don't, then you should probably apt-get --reinstall ntp |
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| 15:07.00 | linelevel | abrotman, thanks. So do i want lenny-backports (in the example that dpkg just sent me), or should I change that to etch-backports since I'm running etch oldstable? |
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| 15:07.04 | valdyn | el_critter: but this problem nearly solves itself by showing you what you need to do |
| 15:07.08 | _echa | el_critter: if you really want recent packages, lvm and gnome then use ubuntu |
| 15:07.10 | abrotman | linelevel: no, etch-backports |
| 15:07.11 | el_critter | valdyn, abrotman: I need gnome on MY computer to finish an asterisk deployment on a client's office. |
| 15:07.19 | linelevel | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:07.33 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: currently I got this new guy: /usr/sbin/ntpdate-debian |
| 15:07.36 | Breaking_Pitt | Someone has been able to make stunnel4 work? |
| 15:07.37 | valdyn | el_critter: install back dmsetup and lvm2, apt will remove stuff. You can install most of that stuff later |
| 15:07.48 | abrotman | el_critter: you need gnome? or you need X ? |
| 15:07.57 | el_critter | valdyn: ok will do now |
| 15:08.00 | valdyn | el_critter: all you need to do is go thru that list of packages that apt removes |
| 15:08.06 | _echa | el_critter: you can also force install dmsetup by downloading the debs from packages.debian.org and do a dpkg -i --force-conflicts |
| 15:08.08 | \amethyst | mbn_18: that's from the ntpdate package, not ntp |
| 15:08.18 | _echa | el_critter: that is highly unrecommended, though |
| 15:08.18 | valdyn | el_critter: sure the "gnome" package wont be installable, but you dont need that one *at* *all* |
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| 15:08.41 | mbn_18 | \amethyst: ok, thanks. ill check this through |
| 15:08.53 | valdyn | I didnt know that asterisk has a GUI at all... |
| 15:08.57 | Hyperi- | Found solution to my problem |
| 15:09.03 | abrotman | _echa: and it will just break the next time he tries to do anything |
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| 15:09.15 | el_critter | valdyn: a lot of them, mostly web |
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| 15:09.27 | yaaar | howdy |
| 15:09.31 | Hyperi- | Someone should report to phpmyadmin Debian package mainainer that the package should have Order Allow,Deny to apache config file. As new version of apache2 default to deny all for dir / |
| 15:09.32 | [Jasper] | can anoyone tell me the command I should give on the commandline to bonnie++ to test sdc ? |
| 15:09.48 | valdyn | [Jasper]: rtfm |
| 15:10.04 | abrotman | simonrvn: see, it wasn't me! |
| 15:10.07 | [Jasper] | I tried actually finding one on the net...which is quite hard |
| 15:10.12 | \amethyst | Hyperi-: you can, with the program 'reportbug' |
| 15:10.20 | ranix | !tell jpinx-eeepc -about xdmcp |
| 15:10.25 | valdyn | [Jasper]: "man bonnie++" |
| 15:10.41 | hyperzid | If a disk have performance problems, how will it show in vmstat? |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | hyperzid: that's for virtual memory |
| 15:11.27 | ukmnh | since a few days ago (unstable) audio in wmv files is broken in xine, vlc, and mplayer. works fine for avi & mpg. anyone else seeing this? |
| 15:11.27 | hyperzid | I want to be sure that there is no problems with too much data read from the disk |
| 15:11.35 | ukmnh | i suspected a kernel issue (i run -rc kernels), but that's not the case |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | Hyperi-: file a bug on the package |
| 15:11.50 | linelevel | abrotman, this is a newbie question, but I can't figure it out. I'm logged in as root, /etc/apt/sources.list is owned by root, `chmod 644` is set, but i still can't edit it because it's "readonly" according to vim |
| 15:11.53 | abrotman | hyperzid: reading data is bad ? |
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| 15:12.12 | abrotman | linelevel: lsattr ? are any of them set ? |
| 15:12.17 | n3lab | hey hey |
| 15:12.19 | hyperzid | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 15:12.23 | valdyn | linelevel: try "sudo touch /etc/apt/test |
| 15:12.24 | valdyn | linelevel: try "sudo touch /etc/apt/test" |
| 15:12.30 | n3lab | how can i remove this ledcaps(group_lock)? |
| 15:12.34 | azteech | which of the lenny cd disks do I need to download that would provide sufficient install to be able to set up an older laptop? would that be the netinst cd, or will I need others as well if I am running wireless 'n"? |
| 15:12.36 | valdyn | linelevel: as root if you dont have sudo |
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| 15:13.06 | abrotman | azteech: depends on the chipset of the wifi, but you'd do well to have a wired NIC handy |
| 15:13.13 | n3lab | my lamp is lithing when i switch lang in keyboard |
| 15:13.18 | linelevel | abrotman, 'i' is set. it's the 5th position from the left in the `lsattr` output. |
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| 15:14.16 | abrotman | linelevel: did you do that? that's not normal |
| 15:14.32 | linelevel | valdyn, cannot touch `/etc/apt/sources.list': Permission denied ...i'm logged in as root, and root owns the file |
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| 15:14.44 | abrotman | linelevel: was someone messing with chattr on your system? |
| 15:15.06 | linelevel | abrotman, not as far as i know. could there be a legit purpose for that? |
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| 15:15.21 | azteech | abrotman: tks for wireless answer. have old 10mbps pcmcia card if I have to revert. as for the cd(s) I should need to download, do I only need the netins cd? |
| 15:15.26 | abrotman | linelevel: there is, but it's still not normal .. is there another admin on the machine? |
| 15:15.37 | abrotman | azteech: that's good enough if you have broadband and a wired connection |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | azteech: only some 11n cards work without firmware, etc |
| 15:15.56 | abrotman | !tell azteech about netinst |
| 15:15.59 | abrotman | !tell azteech about installer firmware |
| 15:16.10 | valdyn | linelevel: thats not what i asked but nevermind |
| 15:16.15 | linelevel | abrotman, someone else set up this system a couple years ago, but he's not here anymore. |
| 15:16.28 | linelevel | valdyn, I know. touching /etc/apt/test returned no output |
| 15:16.34 | azteech | abrotman. okay |
| 15:17.05 | abrotman | linelevel: you'll have to use the chattr command to remove the 'i' attribute .. that means the file is immutable |
| 15:17.59 | azteech | abrotman: tks much. |
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| 15:21.00 | linelevel | abrotman, yeah, no idea why that was set. Thanks for the help. |
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| 15:23.07 | simonrvn | abrotman: wasn't you what? |
| 15:23.20 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh, yeh |
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| 15:25.25 | sidewalk | how do i turn off keyring in Debian for a user account? |
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| 15:29.01 | SunnyPxssy | hello! how can i protect a tar.bz2 with password?? |
| 15:29.12 | gnukid | I want to make some partitions couldn't be mounted by certain users alone how to do that? |
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| 15:30.20 | gnukid | I mean i want t restrict some users from mounting certain partitions? |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | SunnyPxssy: i don't think you can directly, but you could gpg encrypt it |
| 15:30.53 | SunnyPxssy | that's a good idea |
| 15:31.18 | SunnyPxssy | thx abrotman |
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| 15:32.04 | JordiGH | What do I need to install in order to be able to see this? Xchat and Mozilla Tundramosquito both show hex codes: 猎头 |
| 15:32.10 | SunnyPxssy | gnukid, do you mean a user and the root |
| 15:32.11 | SunnyPxssy | ?? |
| 15:32.20 | vivid | hello, i recently switched to using dh_quilt for patching a source package, but the application behaves as if the patch was unapplied after compiling, does anyone have experience with dh_quilt_patch and dh_quilt_unpatch? |
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| 15:33.25 | JordiGH | vivid: #debian-devel in OFTC, perhaps? |
| 15:33.39 | themill | vivid: #debian-mentors on OFTC would be better than -devel, actually. |
| 15:33.42 | gnukid | SunnyPxssy: No! I want to restrict only some users? |
| 15:34.00 | vivid | whats OFTC? |
| 15:34.02 | themill | vivid: are you using new dh7 style rules? |
| 15:34.09 | themill | vivid: irc.oftc.net |
| 15:34.12 | JordiGH | vivid: Another IRC network. /connect irc.oftc.net |
| 15:34.34 | vivid | im not sure themill im using whatever comes with squeeze |
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| 15:34.51 | JordiGH | "Offiicial" Debian channels seem more abundant in OFTC, for some reason. |
| 15:34.55 | themill | vivid: can you pastebin your debian/rules file for me? /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:35.05 | vivid | themill, sure one sec |
| 15:35.10 | SunnyPxssy | gnukid: u should use sudo |
| 15:35.42 | gnukid | SunnyPxssy: Can u be a bit elaborate? or throw me some links? |
| 15:35.58 | JordiGH | So anyways, which font package do I need to install to see these? 猎头 |
| 15:36.03 | vivid | themill, http://pastebin.com/m48ea4e6a |
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| 15:36.31 | JordiGH | Looks like old-style debian/rule |
| 15:36.45 | derchris^work | gnukid, not sure if this will work, but the devices are 'rw' to group 'disk' by default. if you remove these chmods for the group, only root should be allowed to mount it |
| 15:36.47 | JordiGH | Does dh_make still make this style of debian/rules by default? |
| 15:36.52 | abrotman | really shouldn't send people to -devel for packaging help |
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| 15:37.35 | vivid | well it has worked fine, but i recently started using quilt to avoid manually patching for each new upstream release |
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| 15:38.35 | themill | vivid: is there any reason you're not using the debian wine packages? |
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| 15:38.50 | vivid | yes, because without my patches, certain games are completely unplayable |
| 15:38.58 | gnukid | derchris^work: So i cant automount stuff, i had to su for mounting everytime? |
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| 15:39.14 | vivid | now the debian package and my package both behave with the same crashing |
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| 15:39.39 | JordiGH | vivid: Tried submitting your patches to the Debian packagers? |
| 15:39.43 | vivid | is it possible i placed dh_quilt_patch in the wrong place? |
| 15:40.15 | vivid | JordiGH, no i have not, but i assume its more of a hack than a patch as it has been a bug for a very long time and still hasent been fixed upstream |
| 15:40.39 | vivid | i belive the problem is with freetype, and not wine actually |
| 15:41.05 | kemerten | Hi i have some issues with sound. The sound card is recognised correctly regarding to lspci. i can execute alsamixer with sudo but not als normal user. Checked /etc/group. My user is in the groups plugdev and audio. Can anyone point me in the right direction. |
| 15:41.07 | JordiGH | Huh, funny, looks like this is a modified Ubuntu package. |
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| 15:41.15 | vivid | yes, it was |
| 15:41.39 | JordiGH | vivid: So you're sure the Debian, not the Ubuntu package, doesn't work? |
| 15:41.46 | linelevel | abrotman, think i figured out why +i was set on sources.list. There's a process running as root on the server that keeps trying to modify it in weird ways. |
| 15:42.01 | JordiGH | vivid: Also, are you running Debian, not Ubuntu? |
| 15:42.18 | vivid | squeeze |
| 15:42.25 | JordiGH | Right, you said. |
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| 15:42.59 | vivid | but yes, i built this, or rather, adopted scott ritchie's package |
| 15:43.16 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: so both /etc/network/interfaces have the entries now, how to initiate the connection? |
| 15:43.36 | JordiGH | vivid: What's the log of dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 15:44.03 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: did you edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to allow xdmcp from 192.168.5.foo, where foo is the final quad of the IP for the eee? |
| 15:44.10 | JordiGH | Also, seems a bit weird to patch the Ubuntu packaging for Debian... there might be other fiddley things in the Ubuntu packaging. |
| 15:44.20 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: ah - no - give me minute |
| 15:44.23 | ranix | ;) |
| 15:44.23 | vivid | JordiGH, where would i find the log? |
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| 15:44.31 | JordiGH | vivid: Uh, how do you build the package? |
| 15:44.38 | vivid | debuild -us -uc |
| 15:44.55 | themill | vivid: you should use "include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make" and have build-stamp: $(QUILT_STAMPFN) and then clean: unpatch. See other examples of quilt usage in the archive. |
| 15:44.58 | JordiGH | I guess dpkg-buildpackage is old. |
| 15:45.22 | JordiGH | Oh, it's just a wrapper for it. |
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| 15:45.25 | vivid | yes |
| 15:45.35 | JordiGH | but it does stuff like uploading, which you don't want. |
| 15:45.48 | vivid | one of the options prevents i believe |
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| 15:46.06 | JordiGH | All you really want is dpkg-buildpackage, though. |
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| 15:46.30 | NoReflex | How can I tell if a SCSI Controller Card is connected to a PCI or PCI-e slot? |
| 15:46.32 | JordiGH | Anyways, looks like themill figured out what you wanted. |
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| 15:47.12 | jelly-hme | NoReflex: apart from opening the machine? |
| 15:47.16 | jhutchins_lt | NoReflex: Open the case and look. |
| 15:47.42 | NoReflex | I don;t have physical access to the machine. |
| 15:47.43 | ranix | you can run the pciid by judd and google the card to see if it is a pcie specific card |
| 15:48.00 | jelly-hme | NoReflex: lspci -tv might help. |
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| 15:49.24 | jelly-hme | NoReflex: if its parent is a PCI Express port... |
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| 15:49.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: ok - I'm in the eeepc in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, what's the syntax here? |
| 15:49.51 | ranix | huh? |
| 15:49.57 | ranix | no the remote machine's gdm.conf |
| 15:50.03 | NoReflex | jelly-hme: I get http://pastebin.com/d4913d496 |
| 15:50.08 | jelly-hme | ranix: eeepc _is_ his remote machine |
| 15:50.20 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: the eeepc is the remote server |
| 15:50.29 | ranix | oooh ok |
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| 15:50.54 | jelly-hme | NoReflex: well, take a look at that output, take a look at lspci -v, and draw conclusions. |
| 15:51.16 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: and the local client is the old Toshiba - so what gets edited wheere? |
| 15:52.02 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: search /etc/gdm/gdm.conf or wherever gdm.conf is for an [xdmcp] line |
| 15:52.03 | jelly-hme | NoReflex: an U160 controller, _if_ that description is correct, is unlikely to be PCIe. |
| 15:52.10 | ranix | set it to |
| 15:52.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: ok - found that |
| 15:52.34 | ranix | "Enable=true". also, if you have a DisallowTCP=true change it to false |
| 15:52.44 | jpinx-eeepc | k |
| 15:52.46 | ranix | then /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 15:52.56 | ranix | then on your local machine do a X -broadcast |
| 15:53.07 | ranix | you should see your remote machine's GDM login pop up |
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| 15:54.16 | ranix | you can then look up some syntax to either start your server looking for that specific IP instead of broadcasting, or configure gdm on your local machine to automatically initiate an xdmcp session remotely when it works ;) |
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| 15:54.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: I have " [xdmcp] Enable=true |
| 15:54.25 | ranix | personally I am lazy |
| 15:54.58 | rgr | but it is still xorg.conf for mouse config and display (multi monitor) setup in Squeeze? |
| 15:55.06 | NoReflex | jelly-home: If it's not PCI-e might this be the cause for my poor hdd speed performance? I tried 4 disks in RAID0 and RAID5 |
| 15:55.40 | tote | my debian has crashed lots of times now, and all i can see when i connect a screen is this: http://pastebin.com/m4120267b |
| 15:55.42 | NoReflex | jelly-home: 4x 15K RPM 73 GB SCSI disks |
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| 15:55.57 | jelly-home | NoReflex: what does one disk give you? |
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| 15:56.34 | jelly-home | NoReflex: how old are those drives? 2000? |
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| 15:58.02 | NoReflex | jelly-home:with dd: (1.1 GB) copied, 17.6989 s, 60.7 MB/s |
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| 15:58.26 | jelly-home | NoReflex: ok... and how much do you get witha raid0 over all the disks? |
| 15:59.02 | NoReflex | jelly-home : about 74 MB/s.... |
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| 15:59.28 | jelly-home | NoReflex: hw raid or software raid? |
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| 16:00.05 | jelly-home | NoReflex: if it's hardware, I'd say you're not going to get much more from the rather old hardware |
| 16:00.27 | NoReflex | jelly-home: software raid with adaptec and hardware raid with Dell PERC 3/DC RAID controller |
| 16:01.06 | NoReflex | I believe software raid (mdadm) should get better results than 74 MB/s - I have 4x Intel XEON 2800 Mhz CPU's |
| 16:01.21 | kemerten | Hi i have some issues with sound. The sound card is recognised correctly regarding to lspci. i can execute alsamixer with sudo but not als normal user. Checked /etc/group. My user is in the groups plugdev and audio. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 16:01.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's more in |
| 16:01.41 | djveer | hey guys, is it possible... or safe for that matter to script an email to automatically send an email with an attached log file to an internal mail server and recipient? How hard would it be to do? |
| 16:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 16:01.43 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 16:01.50 | cahoot | kemerten: id confirms user is in audio? |
| 16:02.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | kemerten, oh, if you can run it as root... you have to re-login the user to have groups take account |
| 16:02.38 | kemerten | cahoot: no there is only my normal group GID=1000 |
| 16:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | kemerten, or you can run "newgrp" in the shell you're using |
| 16:02.47 | cahoot | logout/login then |
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| 16:03.09 | kemerten | ok ill try relogining |
| 16:03.12 | kemerten | thanks |
| 16:03.18 | jelly-home | NoReflex: theoretically yes. can you do a dd on two physical disks in parallel? |
| 16:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | newgrp, godsdammit! |
| 16:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasted effort |
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| 16:04.20 | NoReflex | jelly-home: I can try :) |
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| 16:05.32 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: does newgrp work unless you have a group pw? |
| 16:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 16:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | it just drops you back immediately reflecting the changes |
| 16:06.28 | cahoot | ok |
| 16:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't know about it until... half a year or so ago when someone mentioned it in here |
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| 16:08.02 | tote | if i use altgr+sysreq+c to create a crashdump when my system crashes, where does it save the files and how can i read it? |
| 16:08.04 | themill | newgrp only creates a new though, it doesn't apply the changes to the existing shell or any existing processes (e.g. to the X session etc.) |
| 16:08.06 | jelly-home | actually it doesn't drop you back, but opens a new shell |
| 16:08.17 | themill | s/new/new shell/ |
| 16:08.29 | NoReflex | jelly-home: I tried dd for both drives at the same time and I got about 35 MB/s for each |
| 16:08.40 | jelly-home | NoReflex: your hardware sucks |
| 16:08.41 | kemerten | cahoot: Great! im in the groups and now i can also start alsamixer and play souds with aplay. Thanks a lot |
| 16:09.02 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, thats sounds about right to me for a commercial HDD |
| 16:09.23 | NoReflex | jelly-home: you mean the SCSI controller or the disks? |
| 16:09.51 | NoReflex | Titan8990: these are 15K RPM 36GB SCSI drives |
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| 16:09.57 | jelly-home | NoReflex: the controller, or the mainboard, or the current slot the controller is placed in |
| 16:10.15 | eggy_ | Hello, how can I reinstall all installed packages matching <regex>? |
| 16:10.36 | jelly-home | Titan8990: it only sounds right if you're unable to read the backlog where a single disk by itself did 60MB/s |
| 16:10.40 | eggy_ | Like apt-get install --reinstall without installing new packages |
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| 16:11.17 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, from charts that i have seen etc, it has always appeared to me that RAID is slower than single drive configurations |
| 16:11.29 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, even in RAID0 setups |
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| 16:12.27 | NoReflex | Titan8990: I have a RAID0 configuration on a Dell PowerEdge 860 server that get 160MB/s read and write with 2x 500 GB Hitachi 7200 RPM disks whereas a single disk would get around 80 MB/s |
| 16:12.29 | jelly-home | NoReflex: also -- doesn't 64bit 66MHz means a theoretical 533MB/s PCI thoughput? |
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| 16:12.55 | Titan8990 | NoReflex, you doubled the performance? |
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| 16:13.27 | NoReflex | Titan8990: yes....though I one disk fails all data is lost...anyway I'm doing regular backups |
| 16:14.13 | eggy_ | Hardware or software raid0? |
| 16:14.43 | NoReflex | eggy_: software RAID |
| 16:14.49 | eggy_ | Ah |
| 16:15.09 | eggy_ | I had software RAID0 once, and then one harddisk broke, so I never tried it again :) |
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| 16:15.19 | Titan8990 | NoReflex, i have never seen benchmark results of anything close to that... I have even seen RAID0 perform slower than a single drive (with 10k rpm raptors) |
| 16:15.46 | pozic | How do I make a symbolic link named $HOME/bar to the parent directory? ln -s ../ $HOME/bar didn't work. |
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| 16:15.55 | Titan8990 | NoReflex, of course that was a windows fakeraid benchmark.... |
| 16:16.10 | NoReflex | Titan8990: I really don't see why a RAID0 would be slower than a single disk |
| 16:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | eggy_, apt-get doesn't do regexps, but globs... you might be able to do something like that with aptitude, though |
| 16:16.25 | jhutchins_lt | RAID is just another layer to fail. |
| 16:16.34 | eggy_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, ok, thanks |
| 16:16.37 | NoReflex | Titan8990: I got 150 MB/s from a Windows RAID0 with 10k rpm sata disks |
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| 16:16.55 | NoReflex | Windows XP... |
| 16:16.57 | jelly-home | NoReflex: on same hardware? |
| 16:16.58 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, but RAID can tolerate failure (most types) better than a single drive configuration |
| 16:17.28 | Titan8990 | RAID 6 for example can tolerate 2 drives failing |
| 16:17.28 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: It adds additional elements that are even more likely to fail. |
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| 16:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: It can't tolerate one controller failing. |
| 16:17.51 | efaistos_ | does anyone use pidgin ? I have a lot of crashes with it ... so using bitlbee/irssi but cant have a sound notification |
| 16:18.02 | jelly-home | pozic: what are you trying to do? "$HOME" gets expanded by the shell before the command is executed. |
| 16:18.02 | NoReflex | jelly-home: the hardware was almost the same ....XP had 10K 73GB RPM disks, debian had 7200 RPM 500 GB disks |
| 16:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | eggy_, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README has all the details... (Table 2.1. Quick guide to search terms) --> ?installed or ~i only selects installed packages |
| 16:18.09 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, but that doesn't toast the data, which is often the primary concern |
| 16:18.17 | pozic | jelly-home: yes, that's exactly what I want. |
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| 16:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: However, it is often impossible to recover the data if the controller fails. |
| 16:18.44 | jelly-home | pozic: so what's the problem? |
| 16:19.03 | eggy_ | CutMeOwnThroat: awesome, thanks |
| 16:19.03 | jelly-home | pozic: is your home dir. writable for you? |
| 16:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | I have dealt with more than five faild raid arrays in the past two years. We were only able to recover data from one. |
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| 16:19.18 | pozic | jelly-home: Make a symbolic link in $HOME named bar, which point at the parent directory of the current directory. |
| 16:19.27 | pozic | points* |
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| 16:19.41 | jelly-home | pozic: and how did the command fail? |
| 16:19.47 | pozic | jelly-home: I don't understand why my command doesn't do that. So, knowing why that doesn't work would be nice too. |
| 16:19.54 | jhutchins_lt | Good backups are far superior to RAID. For real-time data reliability, you need to replicate to completely separate hardware. |
| 16:19.54 | McL0VIN | Good Morning guys |
| 16:19.57 | pozic | jelly-home: it points to the wrong location. |
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| 16:20.09 | jelly-home | pozic: it points to .. of $HOME |
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| 16:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | eggy_, and aptitude uses regexps by default... so something like aptitude reinstall ~i '?name(bash.*)' should do what you want |
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| 16:21.27 | jelly-home | pozic: is $(readlink -f ..) the real directory you wanted it to point to? |
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| 16:21.49 | pozic | jelly-home: yes |
| 16:21.51 | runa_ | hi i have a pentium M 735 processor which kernel package i should use? |
| 16:22.06 | pozic | jelly-home: and indeed it points to .. of $HOME, but I don't see why it does that. |
| 16:22.08 | jelly-home | pozic: then use that instead of a relative link like ".." |
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| 16:22.17 | runa_ | hi i have a pentium M 735 processor which kernel package i should use?? |
| 16:22.18 | jelly-home | pozic: you told it to point to ".." |
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| 16:22.26 | pozic | jelly-home: yes, the .. of the current directory. |
| 16:22.31 | jelly-home | pozic: no, ".." |
| 16:22.36 | pozic | jelly-home: at least that's what I thought that it meant. |
| 16:22.36 | jelly-home | pozic: a string. |
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| 16:22.40 | eggy_ | CutMeOwnThroat: perfect :) |
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| 16:22.45 | runa_ | *sorry i ment linux-image-2.6.31-trunk-686 ? |
| 16:23.06 | pozic | jelly-home: so, .. does not mean of the current directory when the ln command is executed? |
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| 16:23.44 | pozic | jelly-home: oh, I think I see what you mean. |
| 16:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, why don't you go with the version currently in lenny and only use someting newer if you have hardware that doesn't work with this kernel? |
| 16:24.11 | pozic | jelly-home: when I do it like that it depends on where I execute the cd command where I end up. |
| 16:24.21 | pozic | jelly-home: that's what you meant, right? |
| 16:25.17 | jelly-home | pozic: readlink -f figures out an absolute path out of a relative one |
| 16:25.56 | NoReflex | Do you know where I could find a PCI-X SATA300 Controller? |
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| 16:26.00 | jelly-home | pozic: try putting an echo in front of the command: echo ln -s $(readlink -f ..) $HOME/bar |
| 16:26.15 | NoReflex | I thinking about replacing the SCSI disks with SATA300 disks |
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| 16:26.49 | jelly-home | NoReflex: uh... ##hardware ? |
| 16:26.55 | runa_ | sorry CutMeOwnThroat i dont get your point. i wanted to try the new kernel but i dont quite understand the which new kernel i should use |
| 16:27.14 | pozic | jelly-home: I understand why readlink does the correct thing. Just not why the .. does the unexpected thing. |
| 16:27.56 | jelly-home | pozic: First parameter for ln is a string, not a path. |
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| 16:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | justin, kernel versions |
| 16:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehh |
| 16:28.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernel versions |
| 16:28.23 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 16:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | justin, sorry :) |
| 16:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 16:28.40 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 16:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, ^^^ those are in the different repositories |
| 16:29.13 | pozic | jelly-home: ok, so, how is this string interpreted, i.e. what does ln do? |
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| 16:29.27 | jelly-home | pozic: it _isn't_ interpreted. |
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| 16:29.40 | pozic | jelly-home: ok, thank you. |
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| 16:30.13 | jelly-home | pozic: ln just puts that string into the symlink. (Well, I'm lying a bit there. It does _some_ checking unless -f is used) |
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| 16:31.21 | runa_ | CutMeOwnThroat: could you be more explicit. what does it mean? i have a debian testing. but i dont think that the kernel has anything to do with that, or does it? |
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| 16:31.44 | jelly-home | runa_: you can just use whatever is in the distro, install and use "linux-image-686". |
| 16:32.03 | jelly-home | runa_: what's your current kernel? |
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| 16:32.20 | jelly-home | uname -r, runa_ |
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| 16:34.33 | runa_ | i have a new kernel but i wanted to try the latest one. uname -r :linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
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| 16:34.53 | BlackDesign | Anyone who knows a good BIND9 tutorial? |
| 16:34.55 | gusto | so compile it |
| 16:35.09 | runa_ | jelly-home i dont understand the point. whats wrong in trying a new kernel? |
| 16:35.12 | n3lab | use google |
| 16:35.16 | gusto | DNS and BIND i think is the name of the book by oreilly |
| 16:35.37 | gusto | I always compile a new kernel |
| 16:35.47 | BlackDesign | thx gusto |
| 16:35.59 | gusto | and the point is, that you have a stable kernel with HW support and no problems with anything |
| 16:36.05 | jelly-home | runa_: what's wrong in not? |
| 16:36.24 | gusto | BlackDesign: do you want to download that book by bittorrent? |
| 16:37.24 | gusto | maybe not a bad idea |
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| 16:38.16 | jelly-home | runa_: eh, you seem to be already running the latest available in testing/unstable; if you want a newer one, you'll have to build it yourself |
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| 16:38.58 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
| 16:39.01 | jelly-home | runa_: the kernel people builds (that trunk thing judd mentioned) have been offline for quite a while |
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| 16:39.21 | Ronis_BR | when console-screen runs, only the current tty is set to the right font. The others remains wrong. any ideas? |
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| 16:39.47 | n3lab | testing has lot of bags |
| 16:39.58 | n3lab | err/ bugs |
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| 16:40.13 | djveer | hey guys, is it possible... or safe for that matter to script an email to automatically send an email with an attached log file to an internal mail server and recipient? How hard would it be to do? |
| 16:40.50 | Ronis_BR | n3lab: this was for me? |
| 16:41.11 | n3lab | it's for all who use testing |
| 16:41.11 | petemc | djveer: easy with mutt |
| 16:41.20 | Ronis_BR | n3lab: I use sid :D |
| 16:41.23 | Atomix | hey guys, anyone can tell me how to fix my inet connection on my dedi ? when i do apt-get install pure-ftpd i'm freezing at 0% [Connecting to http.us.debian.org] & when i try to use svn up i'm having this: svn: OPTIONS of 'http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/ae-go/trunk': Could not resolve hostname `subversion.assembla.com': No address associated with hostname (http://subversion.assembla.com) |
| 16:41.28 | n3lab | the same |
| 16:41.34 | djveer | petemc: mutt, an app that can be installed/configured? |
| 16:41.49 | petemc | djveer: its a mail client, yes |
| 16:41.56 | Ronis_BR | n3lab: do you think this a bug from sid? |
| 16:42.05 | hark | runa_: 2.6.31 is available in experimental |
| 16:42.16 | Atomix | wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pure-ftpd/pure-ftpd_1.0.21-11.4_i386.deb isn't working either |
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| 16:42.29 | Atomix | i'm stuck at Resolving ftp.us.debian.org... |
| 16:42.32 | n3lab | yes. there are bugs in sid |
| 16:42.39 | Atomix | i'm using lenny |
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| 16:43.05 | Atomix | uh nvm, it's working now o_o |
| 16:43.08 | jelly-home | Atomix: does "host ftp.us.debian.org" work? |
| 16:43.19 | Atomix | my dedi is acting weird today |
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| 16:43.33 | Atomix | proftpd is lagging a lot |
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| 16:43.43 | Ronis_BR | what is strange is: if I use a UTF-8 Locale, everything goes right, if I use ISO-8859-1, than the erros with fonts happens. |
| 16:43.47 | n3lab | Atomix, mayby ur inet is wrong? |
| 16:43.52 | djveer | petemc: does mutt just use whatever MTA you have installed? ie... Postfix |
| 16:43.54 | MrTorque | hi. how do i increase the lines loged in /var/log/auth.log? i do only have 130 lines... this is too less. |
| 16:44.02 | Ronis_BR | and it isn't with fonts, it is with keyboard |
| 16:44.02 | Atomix | i reverted the changes done in inetd.conf |
| 16:44.08 | petemc | djveer: it can do, or it can be configured to use smtp on any server |
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| 16:44.35 | tempuser | q |
| 16:44.38 | djveer | petemc: nice! is the man page the best way to learn how to use it? or do you have another resource you recommend |
| 16:44.51 | petemc | djveer: theres plenty of info on the web |
| 16:44.57 | djveer | petemc: okay thanks man :) |
| 16:45.05 | petemc | np |
| 16:45.24 | runa_ | hark i know but i have seen two packages linux-image-2.6.31-trunk-686 and linux-image-2.6.31-686 and i dont know the difference. |
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| 16:45.55 | Atomix | oh well, problem solved but i have to wait like 5 secs when using proftpd whne i want to open/upload/ a new file |
| 16:45.58 | Atomix | or to open a new directory |
| 16:46.09 | Ronis_BR | n3lab: I think I found, when I run kbd_mode it shows that kbd is in UTF-8 mode. ideas? |
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| 16:46.13 | runa_ | i just wanted to test it and i did not ask which kernel i should use |
| 16:46.22 | WormFood | does anyone know off-hand, if a remount (mount -o remount) will flush the disk cache for that filesystem? |
| 16:47.23 | n3lab | Ronis_BR, ideas about what? |
| 16:47.45 | WormFood | no, it won't flush the disk cache (I just tried it) |
| 16:47.46 | Ronis_BR | n3lab: why my console fonts isn't right |
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| 16:48.05 | Ronis_BR | n3lab: I need to run console-setup on every tty to get it right |
| 16:48.43 | jelly-home | Atomix: are you using DNS resolving in proftpd logs? |
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| 16:49.20 | hark | runa_: you can only install the -trunk-686 |
| 16:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, the point is, what's wrong with your current kernel? |
| 16:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | shakes his head |
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| 16:50.26 | jelly-home | Atomix: disable it if it's there. Also, is there any mention of mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts: line? |
| 16:50.39 | Atomix | how can i check that jelly-home ? |
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| 16:51.12 | jelly-home | Atomix: haven't used proftpd in a while so I'll have to answer with a rtfm |
| 16:51.18 | Atomix | there's no mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 16:51.22 | jelly-home | good. |
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| 16:51.38 | Ronis_BR | ah, if anyone has any ideas how to make debian more... colorful... :D I'll appreciate. |
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| 16:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ronis_BR, spray-paint your computer |
| 16:52.21 | BlackDesign | gusto: why would I want to download that book if its free online at Google Books? :) |
| 16:52.31 | runa_ | CutMeOwnThroat; whats wrong in using the 2000 debian stable? as i said i wanted to try the new kernel because i heard good things. its how free software works. someone makes it, others try it. |
| 16:52.31 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: hey, that's what I started to write! |
| 16:52.43 | mhymn | and was on my mind! |
| 16:52.46 | gusto | i dont know if it is |
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| 16:53.08 | Atomix | i guess i have to add IdentLookups off UseReverseDNS off in proftpd.conf |
| 16:53.13 | Atomix | gonna try |
| 16:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | runa_, we're not stopping you - judd showed you that it's in experimental |
| 16:54.22 | Atomix | pff |
| 16:54.36 | Atomix | when i do /etc/init.d/proftpd restart i'm having this error: ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd. |
| 16:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Atomix, well, thats probably because it is :) |
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| 16:55.43 | ranix | judd: kernels |
| 16:55.45 | judd | ranix: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 16:55.53 | Atomix | yeah i read lots of stuff within the past hour about that |
| 16:56.17 | Atomix | and i ended screwing up the inet connection of the box, it couldn't resolve anything |
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| 16:57.03 | Atomix | well i did /usr/sbin/inetd and it's fixed now |
| 16:57.06 | Atomix | no more lag |
| 16:57.13 | Atomix | thanks guys |
| 16:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Atomix, you can't (don't need to) restart things that are started by inetd is what it's telling you |
| 16:57.49 | Atomix | yeah i understood so i had to restart it |
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| 17:02.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 17:04.54 | Gratz474 | I would like to have tab completion after sudo, how can I do this? |
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| 17:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have bash-completion installed? |
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| 17:09.30 | vivid | is there a way to view the changes to a specific source file that have been made in the past? |
| 17:10.08 | vivid | whoops wrong channel |
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| 17:16.09 | Ronis_BR | is there a way to make bash more colorful on debian? |
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| 17:17.45 | somiaj | Ronis_BR: most juse use escape characters and set there PS1 enviorment variable with them. |
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| 17:17.49 | LtL | Ronis_BR: yes, read and un-comment certain lines in ~/.bashrc or add your own customization |
| 17:18.16 | Ronis_BR | LtL: I'll look thanks! |
| 17:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.technologyquestions.com/technology/linux/390701-color-bash-prompt-generator.html |
| 17:18.28 | Ronis_BR | somiaj: I know, but I don't know how to do it :D |
| 17:18.37 | Ronis_BR | and sorry, I don't have a browser here |
| 17:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ronis_BR, ^^^ |
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| 17:18.41 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: ls () { command ls --color=auto "$@"; } will make ls colorful; you can do something similar with grep |
| 17:18.49 | pmurias | what can cause stddef.h to be missing? |
| 17:19.01 | somiaj | Ronis_BR: there is one you can uncomment in $HOME/.bashrc as LtL mentioned. (: |
| 17:19.13 | LtL | Ronis_BR: install a console browser too :) |
| 17:19.17 | rgr | \amethyst: I found the issue. cringe. When modifying my .gnomerc I had accidentally uncommented and old xmodmap script ..... fixed now. |
| 17:19.32 | zinx | pmurias: lack of 'build-essential'? |
| 17:19.34 | \amethyst | rgr: oh, good... I was puzzled |
| 17:19.57 | rgr | was from playing with key strokes for xmonad. |
| 17:20.13 | pmurias | the question is wrong it's only missing when i '#include <iostream>' |
| 17:20.24 | Ronis_BR | LtL: like links? :D |
| 17:20.28 | zinx | pmurias: stddef is part of gcc |
| 17:20.30 | Ronis_BR | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 17:20.42 | Ronis_BR | \amethyst: thanks I have already set alias |
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| 17:20.46 | LtL | Ronis_BR: yes, that will work, there are a few |
| 17:20.48 | Ronis_BR | but I mean more colorful on startup |
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| 17:21.06 | Ronis_BR | I have been using gentoo, and the startup is too much beautiful :D |
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| 17:21.30 | pmurias | zinx: http://nopaste.com/p/aPIW5rLlgb |
| 17:21.34 | zinx | pmurias: perhaps your includes are wrong, or you do not have a proper gcc package installed, or are not using a Debian g++, or are using a Debian g++ that differs from your installed Debian gcc versions |
| 17:21.35 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: you can make an ANSI-art thing and put it in /etc/motd.tail (and in /etc/motd until the next restart) |
| 17:21.36 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite Ronis_BR |
| 17:21.36 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling Ronis_BR, and when it's all done, Ronis_BR runs 8% slower than previously |
| 17:21.56 | ranix | lol |
| 17:22.08 | Ronis_BR | Titan8990: no, that's not true :) |
| 17:22.13 | Ronis_BR | Titan8990: gentoo has many advantages |
| 17:22.18 | Ronis_BR | (a colorful boot for example) |
| 17:22.23 | Titan8990 | Ronis_BR, i am a gentoo user, they use it on me |
| 17:22.31 | zinx | Ronis_BR: that's off-topic here |
| 17:22.41 | Titan8990 | Ronis_BR, and hehe i know... i always copy the bashrc from my gentoo systems to my debian ones |
| 17:22.41 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: ah, you mean color-coded boot messages |
| 17:22.49 | zinx | Ronis_BR: if you want a 'colorful boot' in Debian, look at the 'splashy' package |
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| 17:23.27 | Titan8990 | zinx, he means colored terminal text, not splash screen |
| 17:23.31 | zinx | Titan8990: ah |
| 17:23.39 | zinx | wouldn't know |
| 17:23.41 | Ronis_BR | \amethyst: yes! |
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| 17:23.50 | Ronis_BR | zinx: ok! |
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| 17:23.57 | Titan8990 | Ronis_BR, i may be a feature of openrc? |
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| 17:24.33 | Ronis_BR | Titan8990: can be |
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| 17:24.45 | Ronis_BR | zinx: does splashy it to be used with uvesafb? |
| 17:24.51 | Ronis_BR | it = is |
| 17:25.09 | Ronis_BR | Titan8990: debian don't have openrc... |
| 17:25.13 | zinx | Ronis_BR: you have to use a framebuffer console with it, yes |
| 17:25.14 | ranix | don't use splashy |
| 17:25.16 | ranix | use usplash |
| 17:25.18 | ranix | right? |
| 17:25.24 | ranix | or is splashy userspace now |
| 17:25.25 | zinx | ranix: possibly |
| 17:26.06 | Ronis_BR | usplash is bad, I have used it and it becomes corrupt at the middle of boot process |
| 17:26.16 | Ronis_BR | corrupted* |
| 17:26.23 | ranix | let me check to see which I use |
| 17:26.46 | Ronis_BR | ok |
| 17:26.46 | ranix | ah, I appear to use splashy |
| 17:26.50 | Titan8990 | Ronis_BR, i know, only gentoo does |
| 17:26.54 | ranix | my mistake, carry on |
| 17:26.56 | Ronis_BR | Titan8990: :D |
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| 17:27.03 | Ronis_BR | ranix: I'll install splashy |
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| 17:27.36 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38738&start=0 describes how to do it with text boot |
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| 17:28.00 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: though instead of /lib/lsb/init-functions I would put it in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh so it doesn't get replaced on upgrades |
| 17:28.22 | Ronis_BR | thanks! |
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| 17:28.36 | Ronis_BR | I'll look it as soon as firefox is installed :) |
| 17:28.47 | \amethyst | lynx/links, man :) |
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| 17:28.57 | Ronis_BR | noooo |
| 17:28.58 | Ronis_BR | :D |
| 17:29.31 | Ronis_BR | I'm using SID, is it possible to install ntfs-3g from stable? |
| 17:29.38 | Testament | Hi all |
| 17:29.41 | Ronis_BR | and avoid it to being upgraded? |
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| 17:30.11 | jelly-home | !tell Ronis_BR -about hold |
| 17:30.47 | Testament | any good tuto to let my windows pc print over cups please ? i'm trying for days with no result =) |
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| 17:30.59 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: add lenny to your sources.list then aptitude -t stable install ntfs-3g; aptitude hold ntfs-3g |
| 17:31.17 | Ronis_BR | \amethyst: I did it, but apt-get upgrade is trying to upgrade it :D |
| 17:31.22 | Ronis_BR | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 17:31.27 | Ronis_BR | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 17:31.37 | Ronis_BR | et: I know it is unstable |
| 17:31.46 | Breaking_Pitt | someone uses a central secure log server? |
| 17:31.51 | Ronis_BR | but I want the latest version of kde |
| 17:31.57 | Breaking_Pitt | i have some doubts and I don't know where to aks |
| 17:32.19 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt, about the security or in general? |
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| 17:32.49 | Breaking_Pitt | a think is a more general issue |
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| 17:33.18 | Breaking_Pitt | i have secured the connections between the server and the clients using stunnel4 |
| 17:33.50 | Breaking_Pitt | and configure syslog-ng to save the logs in a tree folder like this /host/year/month/day |
| 17:34.16 | Testament | okay, i will remove windows on the second hdd partition if someone help's me to configure cups correctly ! |
| 17:34.16 | Breaking_Pitt | as i'm using a secure connection the /host folder is always saved as 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:35.18 | Breaking_Pitt | this is because stunnel connects to localhost in a determinate port |
| 17:35.34 | Breaking_Pitt | i need to change de 127.0.0.1 to the ip address of the client |
| 17:35.43 | Breaking_Pitt | and i don't know how to do this |
| 17:35.44 | Breaking_Pitt | some advice' |
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| 17:37.48 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt, thats a tough one |
| 17:38.26 | Breaking_Pitt | ok |
| 17:38.26 | pmurias | zinx: g++ 4.2 compiled the file correctly |
| 17:38.42 | Breaking_Pitt | thanks |
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| 17:39.16 | Titan8990 | Breaking_Pitt, if no one helps here I would try ##linux |
| 17:39.26 | Breaking_Pitt | ok thanks tictac |
| 17:39.40 | Breaking_Pitt | thanks Titan8998 |
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| 17:40.21 | brucelee321 | Hi! How to compile sources with using processor optimization via apt-builder ?Thanks |
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| 17:43.53 | fredl | if ip_forwarding is turned on on a single interface system, will the kernel route packets coming in that aren't for it's own IP back out the same interface again? |
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| 17:47.00 | jelly-home | fredl: no, it'll route them wherever the routing tables tell it to |
| 17:47.33 | Titan8990 | ^ well, in that case it would likely go back out the same interface if thats all the system has |
| 17:47.49 | jelly-home | ... and the connection tracking system, in case it knows of an existing connection |
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| 17:48.30 | fredl | okay but I'm not talking conntrack here, just in the pure routing sense. |
| 17:48.32 | Devil_Kin | hey folks. any idea how to quickly fix grub-pc's sudden complaining that it can't install itself in a gpt partition without bootpartition? |
| 17:48.40 | Devil_Kin | it worked fine until this morning, when i updated grub |
| 17:49.08 | fredl | jelly-home - so if the system has a default route it will just send it right back out again? |
| 17:49.28 | fredl | is confused about what possible purpose that could have |
| 17:49.58 | jelly-home | fredl: it depends on your configuration. The packets might just get dropped. |
| 17:50.03 | Kalvin-Krito | Hey, I'm doing a little survey about games on Debian GNU/Linux, and other linux distros. If anyone wants to answer a few questions please tell me. |
| 17:50.12 | Ronis_BR | how can I set ntfs-3g to a user mount it? |
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| 17:50.23 | Titan8990 | fredl, it would have a purpose if you had a virtual interface such as a tun0... you may send all your packets to a single interface device so it can tunnel it through a VPN |
| 17:50.24 | Ronis_BR | I forgot how is the command to setuid it |
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| 17:50.57 | Titan8990 | Ronis_BR, in fstab you can give the "users" option |
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| 17:51.13 | ruben23 | hi is it possible to used alias on ethernet card on my linux server, eth0, eth0:0 |
| 17:51.30 | ruben23 | can i make it function like 2 physical ethernet cards |
| 17:51.31 | fredl | Titan8990, that's true ofcourse, you could mangle the packets with anything you like :) no, somebody just said that in another channel that setting ip_forwarding=1 in single interface systems would cause routing loops |
| 17:51.37 | ruben23 | and configure 2 different Ip |
| 17:51.58 | Ronis_BR | Titan8990: I have done it already, I have set fuse to allow users too |
| 17:52.04 | jelly-home | Ronis_BR: chgrp fuse /usr/bin/ntfs-3g && chmod 4754 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g, and make your user part of fuse group |
| 17:52.05 | \amethyst | ruben23: yes, just add two stanzas for eth0 and eth0:0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:52.22 | Titan8990 | fredl, i know from experience that is not true however it does cause routing problems when you add a NAT device to that network |
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| 17:52.52 | ruben23 | \amethyst: ill be using it for setting a debian router box, ill be using single etherenet card for public and provate Ip is it fine |
| 17:53.19 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.47 | Ronis_BR | jelly-home: the chmod 4754 is what i was looking, thanks!!! |
| 17:53.52 | xoz | ruben23: it should function as separate interface |
| 17:53.53 | \amethyst | ruben23: that might be a little difficult, because the other machines will see the router's DHCP server |
| 17:53.56 | fredl | Titan8990, exactly! |
| 17:54.10 | Titan8990 | ruben23, normally you would put multiple public IPs on one interface, not a LAN and WAN |
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| 17:54.22 | Titan8990 | ruben23, what xoz said :) |
| 17:54.27 | \amethyst | ruben23: but if you manually configure the internal machines, you might be able to avoid that problem |
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| 17:54.53 | fredl | Titan8990, which is basically what jelly was saying to re. the conntracking. |
| 17:55.07 | jelly-home | didn't say a thing |
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| 17:55.26 | fredl | jelly-home> ... and the connection tracking system, in case it knows of an existing connection |
| 17:55.29 | jelly-home | you can't prove it!! |
| 17:55.35 | fredl | I just did. |
| 17:55.38 | fredl | dang nabbit. |
| 17:55.42 | Titan8990 | takes a screenshot |
| 17:56.54 | \amethyst | ruben23: I use 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.2.1 on one card, both on the same physical ethernet, and I do route between them, but there's only one DHCP server on that network |
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| 17:57.28 | \amethyst | ruben23: my outward-facing interface, 192.168.1.3, is a different NIC |
| 17:57.49 | ruben23 | \amethyst: ill be settig eth0 with a public ip facing the internet and eth0:0 for local access then i make route to it, would it worked.. |
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| 17:59.21 | \amethyst | ruben23: you'll need to set up NAT between the two interfaces, and you'll have to somehow make sure that clients on the 'local' network don't get their configuration from the public router (else they will get a public IP) |
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| 18:00.32 | \amethyst | ruben23: and it means people on your WAN will be able to access your 'local' machines (since they are on the same physical network) |
| 18:00.48 | \amethyst | ruben23: so it might be possible with some work, but I really wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:01.09 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.55 | Ronis_BR | is there any possibility to downgrade from sid to testing/stable? |
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| 18:05.19 | jelly-home | not really |
| 18:05.21 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: no, downgrades are unsupported and very likely to break |
| 18:05.23 | dondelelcaro | Ronis_BR: yes, but it's not supported and can be difficult |
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| 18:05.35 | Ronis_BR | so I'll remaing with sid :) |
| 18:05.37 | Ronis_BR | thanks |
| 18:05.43 | \amethyst | Ronis_BR: you can back up your home directory and reinstall |
| 18:05.58 | Ronis_BR | I know |
| 18:06.08 | ranix | if your home directory is on another partition you may not even need to backup |
| 18:06.12 | Ronis_BR | I have already had a backup |
| 18:06.13 | ranix | reinstall won't touch /home |
| 18:06.54 | Ronis_BR | no it isn't |
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| 18:09.05 | Ronis_BR | ranix: is it too danger to use SID? :) |
| 18:09.20 | greycat | if you have to ask... |
| 18:10.07 | yacc | I wonder if it's possible to install Debian into an existing LVM (LUKS encrypted on top)? |
| 18:10.21 | greycat | yacc: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 18:10.37 | AMDFreak | Ronis_BR: if you know, what to do when it breaks, then you can use SID |
| 18:10.51 | Ronis_BR | AMDFreak: ok :0 |
| 18:10.52 | Ronis_BR | :) |
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| 18:11.07 | Ronis_BR | AMDFreak: what kind of breaks may I expect? |
| 18:11.22 | Ronis_BR | AMDFreak: I found many breaks on gentoo, but there are alwasy a workaround |
| 18:11.28 | yacc | greycat: well, my issue is that I do not want to loose the LVs inside the VG, but that I need to use some CD to do the installation. |
| 18:11.42 | greycat | yacc: you don't need a CD if you use debootstrap |
| 18:11.59 | yacc | greycat: but I have no running (as in stable) system on this box? |
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| 18:12.16 | greycat | then where did the VG/LV stuff and the encrypted wossname come from? |
| 18:13.01 | yacc | greycat: it |
| 18:13.26 | AMDFreak | Ronis_BR: read changelogs before any upgrade, and then check if it is safe to upgrade |
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| 18:14.16 | simonrvn | Ronis_BR: not being able to log in, not getting init to start up properly upon a reboot, missing glibc, non-functional x or console, stuff like that. |
| 18:14.19 | yacc | greycat: it's an Ubuntu Karmic box (long story, but the reality is that I basically have no kernel that does not ooops on it, my theory is the new nvidia driver :( ) |
| 18:14.43 | simonrvn | !apt-listbugs |
| 18:14.43 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since at least Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <BTS> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
| 18:14.48 | greycat | so don't run X when you do your work |
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| 18:15.06 | simonrvn | !apt-listchanges |
| 18:15.07 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>. |
| 18:15.13 | simonrvn | Ronis_BR: ^^^ |
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| 18:15.27 | greycat | if your ubuntu kernel can't even boot and run long enough to mount file systems and run debootstrap, then you'll have to find a kernel that CAN |
| 18:15.42 | Titan8990 | yacc, you can install debian on existing LVMs either through the installer or through a chroot installation |
| 18:15.51 | simonrvn | Ronis_BR: if you do with Sid (it's not 'SID'), don't expect support from this channel. |
| 18:15.58 | greycat | the installer can only be used if the installer's kernel can mount his file systems |
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| 18:16.06 | simonrvn | Ronis_BR: do go, rather |
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| 18:16.10 | Titan8990 | yacc, you will just need to reformat the vgs (except maybe /home) with mke2fs ( or whatever your preferred filesystem is) |
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| 18:16.22 | Ronis_BR | simonrvn: so this channel doesn't support Sid? |
| 18:16.36 | greycat | I assumed he wanted to keep his encrypted thingummy, otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned it |
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| 18:16.39 | Titan8990 | greycat, that is true, i must have missed when it was mentioned that it could not |
| 18:16.44 | helo | if i've wiped out the udev network persistent rules, is it possible for the network device names to change across reboots, even if the hardware doesn't change? |
| 18:16.45 | AMDFreak | Ronis_BR, btw. when you use LVM, i think you don't want to upgrade to sid |
| 18:16.46 | jelly-home | Ronis_BR: correct; you may or may not get any help with sid |
| 18:16.50 | simonrvn | nope. people running sid are expected to be able to deal with things like i mentioned. |
| 18:16.54 | Titan8990 | oh... encryption... sorry |
| 18:17.02 | yacc | Titan8990: well my luck is that I've got 5G unused in the VG, so the idea is to create a new LV for Debian, and then move on. |
| 18:17.25 | Titan8990 | yacc, i don't think its a good idea to put / on a lvm |
| 18:17.26 | greycat | 14:10 yacc> I wonder if it's possible to install Debian into an existing LVM (LUKS encrypted on top)? |
| 18:17.39 | Titan8990 | greycat, yes, i went back and re-read |
| 18:17.57 | jelly-home | Titan8990: grub-pc can boot it. Not sure about the encrypted bit |
| 18:18.05 | simonrvn | Ronis_BR: they're also expected to file bugs and help with debugging |
| 18:18.14 | yacc | Titan8990: Well /boot is a normal unencrypted partition ;) |
| 18:18.25 | simonrvn | Ronis_BR: (when they find a bug, of course ;) |
| 18:18.32 | greycat | I have no idea what LUKS is yet. Reading. |
| 18:18.38 | AMDFreak | Ronis_BR, because lvm2 and dmsetup are broken, but only when you use gnome (i think) |
| 18:18.45 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, only in the presence of an initrd but yes |
| 18:18.48 | eoliva | I tried to set some options for my touchpad in a fdi file, using hal...and when I do "lshal" its there my new options. I restart X and restar hal, but these changes aren't there when I do synclient -l, why? |
| 18:19.07 | simonrvn | what would gnome have to do with lvm2? |
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| 18:19.34 | Titan8990 | gnome gui lvm tools? |
| 18:19.37 | jelly-home | Titan8990: good thing debian kernels use initrd by default then |
| 18:19.39 | simonrvn | oh, lemme guess, devicekit-disks |
| 18:19.43 | yacc | greycat: a nice way to manage safely whole disc encryption |
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| 18:19.56 | simonrvn | sid's has a nice little Conflicts: |
| 18:20.00 | Ronis_BR | ok fellows thanks for the help |
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| 18:20.57 | xpk | hello. i'm running debian sid on a laptop and having a problem with run-levels. every time i install a program which needs changes in /etc/rc*.d/, all the S* links in rc0.d and rc6.d get mixed up so that reboot and halt are S01 |
| 18:21.05 | helo | if i rerun /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules after having removed 70-persistent-net.rules, will 70-persistent-net... be regenerated with the current eth0 eth1 setup? |
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| 18:21.44 | helo | rather... how do i run it? ;) |
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| 18:22.06 | AMDFreak | simonrvn, nautilus 2.28 or something needs devicekit-disks, and devicekit-disks conflicts with dmsetup |
| 18:22.07 | yacc | So how would the debootstrap process work? |
| 18:22.17 | AMDFreak | simonrvn, but lvm2 needs dmsetup |
| 18:22.23 | Titan8990 | !tell yacc about install guide |
| 18:22.24 | ruben23 | \amethyst: hi there, it worked it changed it |
| 18:22.40 | jelly-home | AMDFreak: does it version-conflict dmsetup (<< something)? |
| 18:22.41 | Titan8990 | yacc, check pm from dpkg, there is a section of the install guide that covers debootstrap |
| 18:22.45 | greycat | yacc: you mount your file systems and chroot into them from whatever other kernel you've already got, then you install debian |
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| 18:22.53 | danyindie | ciao |
| 18:23.02 | danyindie | !list |
| 18:23.02 | dpkg | danyindie: VATTENE VIA |
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| 18:23.19 | yacc | greycat: that I know, but how do I make that thing later bootable? |
| 18:23.21 | greycat | debootstrap was a generic answer for "I have (some complicated thing in another Linux) and I want to install Debian" |
| 18:23.37 | greycat | yacc: install grub or lilo as appropriate |
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| 18:23.54 | AMDFreak | jelly-home, i think devicekit-disks will replace dmsetup, or needs a new version of dmsetup, to get it work |
| 18:23.56 | jelly-home | wonders why only .it people do !list |
| 18:24.02 | Titan8990 | IMO every os/distro should be installable via a chroot |
| 18:24.10 | yacc | greycat: well. I do need the initrd to run cryptsetup & pvscan ;( |
| 18:24.48 | simonrvn | AMDFreak: get rid of devicekit-disks and install dmsetup and lvm2 |
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| 18:25.10 | simonrvn | jelly-home: NFC. and in both #d's |
| 18:25.14 | xpk | does anyone know why S99halt and S99reboot would always be renamed to S01halt and S01reboot automatically? |
| 18:25.21 | jelly-home | judd: versions dmsetup |
| 18:25.22 | judd | jelly-home: dmsetup -- etch: 2:1.02.08-1 lenny: 2:1.02.27-4 sid: 2:1.02.38-2 squeeze: 2:1.02.38-2 |
| 18:25.32 | AMDFreak | simonrvn, my lvm works... i has make my own workaround |
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| 18:25.38 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions kde |
| 18:25.38 | rgr | anyone know where makeinfo has goneß I need it for installing emacs related info files. |
| 18:25.38 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
| 18:25.44 | simonrvn | xpk: check the lsb init info thingy at the top |
| 18:25.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Ronis_BR: ^^ |
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| 18:25.56 | simonrvn | AMDFreak: 'i made my own' |
| 18:26.23 | ranix | judd: versions kde |
| 18:26.24 | judd | ranix: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
| 18:26.26 | simonrvn | AMDFreak: unless you were talking lolcatz, then just ignore that |
| 18:26.38 | greycat | heh, not very helpful version string |
| 18:26.41 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: that's not really informative on any level |
| 18:26.44 | ranix | haha not helpful at all |
| 18:26.56 | simonrvn | it's just a meta-package.. |
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| 18:27.09 | greycat | the 5: is informative though. not in a good way. |
| 18:27.19 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 18:27.19 | ranix | yeah I was expecting it to not be useful |
| 18:27.20 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1 etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny1 lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny2 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-1 sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1 squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1 |
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| 18:27.25 | simonrvn | epoch level of 5 ... |
| 18:27.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Ronis_BR: ^^ |
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| 18:27.41 | jelly-home | simonrvn: epoch fail |
| 18:27.55 | greycat | simonrvn: "In about 48 releases of the metapackage, they have to resort to an epoch override 5 times" |
| 18:27.57 | simonrvn | jelly-home: haha totaly |
| 18:28.02 | simonrvn | totally* |
| 18:28.20 | greycat | and people wonder why I use fvwm. |
| 18:28.31 | ranix | I don't understand epoch overrides |
| 18:28.31 | jelly-home | 1.24? |
| 18:28.40 | simonrvn | i don't ;). well, except maybe for the themes :P |
| 18:28.49 | simonrvn | shudders |
| 18:29.04 | simonrvn | unless you have a nice one you care to share? ;) |
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| 18:29.49 | Ronis_BR | jpinx-eeepc: what? |
| 18:29.54 | ranix | I like xfce |
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| 18:30.05 | Ronis_BR | how can I install lenny in a ext4 partition? |
| 18:30.10 | ranix | although for some simple default font sizes and things |
| 18:30.10 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: I'm using lxde |
| 18:30.16 | ranix | aside from that fvwm would be fine |
| 18:30.26 | ranix | or even twm |
| 18:30.28 | simonrvn | ranix: you can reset the versioning if it's screwed up, there's other reasons... |
| 18:30.29 | themill | greycat: a quick look at the changelog would tell you that the metapackage started at 4: and that many of the changes have been for translation updates. |
| 18:30.48 | ranix | simonrvn: I mean, I don't understand the function of the epoch override at all |
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| 18:30.56 | ranix | !epoch |
| 18:30.57 | dpkg | [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>. |
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| 18:31.01 | themill | ranix: /msg dpkg version epoch |
| 18:31.04 | ranix | ah thanks |
| 18:31.47 | greycat | Ronis_BR: if a vanilla 2.6.30 kernel can mount it, then you can use "/msg dpkg kmuto" stuff |
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| 18:32.09 | ranix | does the high epoch mean that KDE altered their versioning scheme repeatedly, or that we've had to downgrade the package in testing due to unserviceability? |
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| 18:34.23 | themill | ranix: many projects change their versioning scheme along the way -- KDE upstream has done that. When splitting the metapackage out of the rest of the KDE sources it made sense to do that again and then when disconnecting the metapackage version from the actual KDE version they did so once more. |
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| 18:34.58 | Markus2 | www.europa-irc.de ! |
| 18:35.04 | Markus2 | www.europa-irc.de ! |
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| 18:35.07 | ranix | themill: the fact that it's so high is guffaw-worthy because it implies sloppy version control? |
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| 18:36.01 | themill | ranix: It's usually seen as a last resort thing to do as it's a bit ugly. But no, not really. And it's not guffaw-worthy at all. |
| 18:36.39 | ranix | ok, because greycat, simonrvn, and jelly-home were clearly guffawing |
| 18:36.45 | ranix | I was struggling to understand |
| 18:37.36 | simonrvn | i was just teasing, nothing bad. |
| 18:37.40 | ranix | ok |
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| 18:37.45 | themill | ranix: there are plenty of packages in the archive with epochs. libc6 almost had one a couple of years ago when an experimental version was accidentally uploaded (the DDs involved decided to break sid for a few weeks instead of putting an epoch on libc6) |
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| 18:38.10 | ranix | ah, ok. So epochs are kind of dirty |
| 18:38.19 | greycat | themill: dare I ask why the metapackage started at 4:? |
| 18:38.56 | themill | ranix: well in the case of libc6, it would have required a lot of packages to be binNMUd to pick up the right versioned dependency. |
| 18:39.08 | simonrvn | a *lot* |
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| 18:41.41 | ranix | themill: because they have sloppy ${source:Version} dependency strings that won't match the epoch? |
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| 18:41.42 | km | any ideas how i can determin the share lib libuuid.so.1 usage/info? |
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| 18:42.03 | km | is there a tool for looking this up? |
| 18:42.19 | greycat | km: "dpkg -S filename" will tell you what package it's in, and then you can go to /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
| 18:42.23 | themill | greycat: seemed to start out with YYMMDD snapshots from upstream. Picked up an epoch of 2 without explanation in the changelog, and then jumped to 4 when version numbers started being used. I don't know when the clarification that no epoch meant epoch == 0 was added to policy and whether that explains leaving out "1" or whether the DD involved at that stage was planning an even == stable, odd == devel idea for the version numbers. |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | km: you can also search for related packages with -doc in their names, or see if the package includes man pages or other documentation |
| 18:42.47 | ranix | themill: or, is it that adding an epoch to a non-epoch package requires the dependency strings to alter to support the [0-9]:foo |
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| 18:42.52 | km | thanks |
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| 18:43.39 | ranix | sounds like it would be useful to add an epoch to all packages just-in-case |
| 18:44.09 | ranix | or make a dependency variable that can gracefully handle the existence or absense of the epoch prefix |
| 18:44.18 | themill | ranix: all variables like that in dependency strings get replaced at build time, so if the package changes on which you have the dependency, you might need to rebuild. It depends on whether it's an == relationship (uncommon on libc6) or not. |
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| 18:44.36 | themill | ranix: all packages *do* have an epoch. If it's not written in the version string, the epoch is 0. |
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| 18:44.59 | xMine | hello. i've got a dumb question. i've started "man wget" but now, i want to get out of man... how can i do that? |
| 18:45.05 | greycat | xMine: q |
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| 18:45.24 | ranix | OK. I will settle for a partial understanding. Thanks themill |
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| 18:45.39 | themill | :) |
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| 18:45.49 | xMine | thank you ^^ |
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| 18:46.17 | xMine | does someone know an easy debian beginner tutorial/ebook or something? |
| 18:46.35 | ranix | !tell xMine -about grounding |
| 18:47.00 | ranix | xMine: that should about cover it ;) |
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| 18:48.19 | ranix | themill: who performs a binNMU? |
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| 18:48.47 | themill | ranix: the release team would normally look after such things |
| 18:48.54 | ranix | ok |
| 18:49.33 | km | greycat: the /usr/share/doc/libuuid1 only show copyright info. |
| 18:49.43 | km | not much info |
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| 18:52.44 | emdete | hi! is there a command to see the differences between a modified config file and the original? similar to what is shown when updating the package with that file? |
| 18:52.56 | km | i am try to find out why a program require the libuuid.so.1 library, any ideas? |
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| 18:53.23 | justin | km: because it uses uuids? |
| 18:53.32 | greycat | emdete: diff would be the starting point |
| 18:53.48 | km | what is uuids? |
| 18:53.53 | greycat | emdete: e.g. diff -u foo.config.dpkg-dist foo.config |
| 18:53.59 | justin | km: try google |
| 18:54.04 | greycat | km: cryptic numbers that Linux puts on devices |
| 18:54.19 | justin | greycat: lol, that is one use of a uuid :-P |
| 18:54.33 | greycat | km: also "apt-cache show libuuid1" to see the package description |
| 18:54.48 | emdete | greycat: if i would have the original you would be right... i havent |
| 18:54.55 | km | ok |
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| 18:55.18 | stew | km: run "dpkg -S libuuid.so.1" to find out which package provides that library, then run "aptitude search '~i~Dpackagename" with that packagename to find out what you have installed which depends on this package |
| 18:55.23 | greycat | emdete: ah, so the real question was "how do I get the original config file from a package, when it's no longer on my disk"? |
| 18:55.42 | emdete | greycat: no, the question is: how can i see what i changed |
| 18:55.44 | emdete | ;) |
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| 18:55.55 | greycat | emdete: you can either back up your existing config file and then reinstall the package with force-confmiss, or you can manually extract the package contents (e.g. in /tmp) |
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| 18:56.24 | laurus | How do I install Debian Squeeze from scratch using something like a net install ISO? |
| 18:56.27 | emdete | greycat: i thought debian provides a shortcut for that, right after running `debsums --config` ;) |
| 18:56.40 | stew | emdete: some packages might install the original config file in another location, you'd have to look at the maintainer scripts or the package list to figure this out, probably |
| 18:57.04 | stew | emdete: debsums will tell you IF a file has changed, not HOW a file has changed |
| 18:57.37 | emdete | stew: thats my problem, yes... |
| 18:57.38 | emdete | stew: i ask for the second step ;) |
| 18:57.38 | greycat | and you've been answered |
| 18:57.59 | km | i did a "objdump -p httpd | grep NEEDED" it shows it need libuuid.so.1, so just want to know why it need this lib and is the purpose/usage for this required lib. |
| 18:58.05 | emdete | greycat: still searching for a shortcut. this extracting to temp... maybe someone scripted that already? |
| 18:59.17 | stew | emdete: there isn't an easy way to do this. some packages might not extract the file directly to the conffile's location, they might extract to, for instance, somewhere in /usr/share, then optionally copy the file to the final location, perhaps using ucw |
| 18:59.36 | stew | emdete: some might generate the conffile programatically in the postinst script |
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| 19:00.18 | emdete | stew: isn't that a rarely used cornercase? |
| 19:00.37 | greycat | km: if you want to know the internals of apache httpd, perhaps you should ask #httpd |
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| 19:01.00 | km | sure. |
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| 19:01.08 | emdete | ...when debsums spits it out there is a md5sum for it - isn't that only for files that are in the .deb? |
| 19:01.34 | ranix | uh |
| 19:01.36 | ranix | yeah? |
| 19:01.38 | stew | emdete: ucf is not rare |
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| 19:01.54 | ranix | !debsums |
| 19:01.55 | dpkg | somebody said debsums was a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files. |
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| 19:02.31 | stew | emdete: perhaps "grep ucf /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst" to see how it is being used on your machine |
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| 19:02.44 | helo | i deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules and 70-persistent-net-names, and now have booted, and want the current naming to be preserved... if restore 75-persistent-net-generator.rules, is there a way for me to run it to recreate 70-persistent-net-names? |
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| 19:02.59 | helo | without rebooting, that isu |
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| 19:03.43 | greycat | has no 75-*-generator-* file to look at |
| 19:03.49 | emdete | stew: isnt ucf mainly a renaming from .dpkg-new to the final name? |
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| 19:04.37 | stew | emdete: no |
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| 19:04.50 | greycat | ah, there's one on this lenny installed box |
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| 19:05.02 | emdete | stew: okay, will read about that... thnx anyway! |
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| 19:06.06 | mjt | helo: 70-persistent-net-names will be generated by 75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
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| 19:06.36 | helo | mjt: how do i manually do that? |
| 19:06.42 | greycat | wonders why his sid box doesn't have a 75- and decides it's not important enough to worry about |
| 19:07.05 | mjt | helo: you have to touch some files in /sys/class/net to re-send events |
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| 19:16.49 | SteveHH | i have one simple question: how can i find out which ports at my server are open ? i need to know at which port my smtp-server listen |
| 19:16.54 | SteveHH | sorry 4 my bad english |
| 19:17.19 | greycat | SteveHH: netstat -ant | grep LISTEN |
| 19:17.26 | SteveHH | ok. thx :) |
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| 19:25.38 | laurus | If I install Squeeze from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ , will I be able to keep using it when it moves from testing to stable ? |
| 19:26.14 | simonrvn | keep using what? |
| 19:26.35 | laurus | simonrvn, I mean will I be able to type aptitude update and so on and get stable packages, not testing? |
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| 19:26.56 | jpinx-eeepc | laurus: depends on your sources.list |
| 19:27.17 | laurus | jpinx-eeepc, so I may have to manually change things over... will that make any negative difference when it goes from testing to stable? |
| 19:27.37 | abrotman | laurus: if you track 'squeeze' and not 'testing' .. you should be fine |
| 19:27.52 | laurus | abrotman, so instead of the word testing I just put squeeze in sources.list? |
| 19:27.54 | jpinx-eeepc | wot he sed |
| 19:28.09 | laurus | Okay, great! |
| 19:28.11 | laurus | By the way, why doesn't Squeeze have Python 2.6? |
| 19:28.26 | thrashold | And sid :( |
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| 19:28.48 | jpinx-eeepc | ffs - this gets more like #ooboontoo every day |
| 19:28.58 | abrotman | laurus: it may eventually, i'm not sure they've decided on the python to be released with squeeze |
| 19:29.00 | laurus | jpinx-eeepc, sorry, forget I asked! |
| 19:29.03 | abrotman | (or i missed it) |
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| 19:29.16 | laurus | abrotman, cool, just curious |
| 19:29.46 | laurus | jpinx-eeepc, I point people to Debian over Ubuntu whenever I can, btw |
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| 19:30.12 | jpinx-eeepc | laurus: only kidding ;) |
| 19:30.17 | laurus | ;) |
| 19:30.25 | themill | laurus: python 2.6 should hit sid (and then squeeze) RSN. |
| 19:30.26 | thrashold | laurus: Unless they are Python programmers, right? :P |
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| 19:30.53 | laurus | thrashold, hehe, even if they are... it's not that hard to install Python 2.6 from source, it's just one more thing to bother with I suppose |
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| 19:31.23 | laurus | themill, that's good to hear... by the way, how can I tell that kind of thing from packages.debian.org or some other site? |
| 19:31.24 | thrashold | laurus: There's Python 2.6 in experimental |
| 19:31.29 | abrotman | themill: they are going to push it in for squeeze? |
| 19:31.36 | themill | laurus, thrashold: it's a lot harder to make it actually work system-wide though. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=debian-python@lists.debian.org;tag=python2.6 |
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| 19:32.03 | laurus | themill, that's what I figured |
| 19:32.27 | themill | abrotman: yes. It should hit sid in the next week or two by the looks of things. Unless someone discovers some serious snafus between now and then with the plan. |
| 19:32.36 | laurus | By the way, and sorry if this is a newbie question, do packages ever get version upgrades once they're in stable? Or are they just bug fixes to the same version number in the package? |
| 19:32.40 | abrotman | why plan ... |
| 19:32.51 | abrotman | laurus: generally not .. it does happen sometimes |
| 19:33.27 | laurus | The reason I ask is I use a package that has had a bug in it for almost a year now, and the mailing list said it was to be upgraded "soon", here I'll try to find the post to show you so you can see what I'm blabbering about :p |
| 19:34.15 | greycat | last time I recall seeing an upstream version number increase in a stable release was bind9 in ... etch? |
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| 19:34.42 | laurus | Yeah, here we go: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427974 |
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| 19:34.48 | Ronis_BR | hi all |
| 19:34.48 | ranix | didn't we have a freshclam version increase in etch also? |
| 19:34.55 | themill | greycat: iceweasel in etch too. |
| 19:34.56 | Ronis_BR | is there any possibilities to install fglrx 9.10 on lenny? |
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| 19:35.24 | ranix | etch had a few security fixes |
| 19:35.52 | laurus | It's been almost a year since that bug was closed, but I don't think that upgraded version of libchewing3 ever made it in to Lenny |
| 19:36.11 | laurus | Is there a way to tell if that post is correct and it will be merged in at some point? |
| 19:36.43 | ranix | laurus: if lenny still has the broken package you should file a bug report |
| 19:36.46 | greycat | laurus: unless that package fixes a security issue or some other really important thing, it won't go into lenny |
| 19:36.58 | justin | judd: versions libchewing3 |
| 19:37.00 | judd | justin: libchewing3 -- etch: 0.3.0-1 lenny: 0.3.0-1 squeeze: 0.3.2-1 sid: 0.3.2-2 |
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| 19:37.29 | ranix | ehr, squeeze rather |
| 19:37.32 | justin | yeah, they are pretty strict about the 'really important thing' too |
| 19:37.34 | ranix | you should file against squeeze |
| 19:37.41 | laurus | ranix, I'm sure it works in Squeeze |
| 19:37.45 | uwjesd | Hi there, I need a good backup-solution. |
| 19:37.48 | laurus | In fact that's why I'm considering upgrading! ;) |
| 19:37.52 | ranix | ah] |
| 19:38.00 | ranix | I think you could pin on the squeeze version |
| 19:38.01 | greycat | laurus: this is when you get (or do) a backport |
| 19:38.01 | laurus | uwjesd, I use rsync |
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| 19:38.18 | justin | rsync really isn't a bacup solution |
| 19:38.26 | uwjesd | laurus: Nah, I need something that can handle more then one file/dir at once. |
| 19:38.28 | greycat | it could be. depends on what he needs. |
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| 19:38.57 | justin | rdiff-backup might be a good start |
| 19:38.58 | laurus | uwjesd, there's also a program called sbackup though I've never used it |
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| 19:39.45 | ranix | rsync is *part* *of* a backup solution |
| 19:39.55 | ranix | not the final solution |
| 19:40.06 | uwjesd | How do you do it? |
| 19:40.13 | ranix | if you cannot restore when a thief comes and steals your server, you do not have a backup solution |
| 19:40.23 | uwjesd | Do you make like a bashscript with rsync command for every single file? |
| 19:40.28 | laurus | ranix, I rsync to an external hard drive |
| 19:40.44 | laurus | uwjesd, no, I just rsync my home directory :p |
| 19:40.51 | greycat | uwjesd: are you insane? you rsync recursively. |
| 19:41.05 | ranix | uwjesd: you can rsync a directory, or a filesystem. (rsync is filesystem-aware) |
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| 19:41.23 | laurus | greycat, how do I do a backport, by the way? |
| 19:41.27 | greycat | !backports |
| 19:41.27 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:41.38 | uwjesd | Nah, I do not have unlimited memory. I just want to backup whats necesary. |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | uwjesd: and how do you know what is "necessary"? |
| 19:42.05 | uwjesd | I do. |
| 19:42.23 | greycat | do you have a list of directories or something? you can rsync those. |
| 19:42.49 | laurus | uwjesd, maybe you'd better look at sbackup |
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| 19:45.45 | uwjesd | Well, ic. there is no all in one solution I have to hack something usefull together with rsync. |
| 19:46.15 | laurus | uwjesd, sbackup isn't all-in-one? |
| 19:47.28 | uwjesd | I have no such package just backuppc comes up when I type "sbackup" in apt-cache. |
| 19:47.42 | ymas | hello everyone, if I've compiled MySQL 5.1.33 from source on Debian Lenny amd-64 and want to link the new C api libraries (in /usr/local/mysql/lib/) to /usr/lib/ so that I don't have to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH, do I just use ldconfig -n /usr/local/mysql/lib/ ? |
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| 19:48.01 | Cerise | is there something like command-not-found (ubuntu) for debian? |
| 19:48.14 | context | anyone know how i can change exim4 to allow external mail sending |
| 19:48.24 | context | its not allowing me to send mail thats non-local |
| 19:48.40 | ymas | context - check that you smtp port is not blocked? |
| 19:48.43 | greycat | ymas: there are two issues with libraries outside of /usr/lib. Run-time (/etc/ld.so.conf) and linking (Makefiles, -L, etc.) |
| 19:49.04 | greycat | ymas: if linking isn't the issue, you can probably just edit /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 19:49.06 | context | ymas: no. the log says ' R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported' |
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| 19:49.13 | context | its configured to not allow it. |
| 19:49.15 | context | by default |
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| 19:49.16 | laurus | uwjesd, my fault, it's only in sid... sorry :( |
| 19:49.22 | laurus | Thanks for the help everyone, gotta go. |
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| 19:50.01 | ymas | greycat: thanks, will edit the ld.so.conf now |
| 19:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you really have # comments in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:50.43 | greycat | yes |
| 19:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | goodie |
| 19:50.51 | greycat | whole-line comments, anyway. |
| 19:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 19:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks |
| 19:51.14 | cahoot | Cerise: tried aptitude search command? |
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| 19:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | vim-coloring suggested they work as comments :) |
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| 19:53.20 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh day, you passed so quickly... |
| 19:54.20 | wildc4rd | CutMeOwnThroat, Diskworld fan by any chance? |
| 19:54.22 | ymas | greycat: that was the problem, thanks ever so much :) |
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| 19:56.43 | eoliva | I'm trying to set the media keys from my Dell XPS1210 notebook to work, but is not working. I tried lineakd and keytouch....any idea? |
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| 20:01.59 | jimmybgood | is there anywhere to get older versions of packages recently broken in testing? |
| 20:02.57 | greycat | depends on how far back you have to go. on your local Debian mirror, under "pool" |
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| 20:03.51 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I find out what model harddisk I got in my box? |
| 20:04.18 | greycat | [Jasper]: dmesg | less, look for "sd" or something. |
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| 20:05.46 | acemi | [Jasper]: lshw |
| 20:05.54 | jimmybgood | greycat: still there thanks |
| 20:06.08 | ranix | [Jasper]: hwinfo | grep storage also |
| 20:06.10 | greycat | [Jasper]: or something like cat /sys/block/sda/device/model |
| 20:06.31 | ranix | i.e. hwinfo | grep storage will show similar to: "info.parent = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_SATA_WDC_WD800AAJS_0_WD_WCAS25715500'" |
| 20:06.54 | ranix | which contains the exact model number and serial number of my exact hard drive |
| 20:07.24 | ranix | probably you'd actually be looking for block.storage_device |
| 20:07.49 | greycat | griffon:~$ cat /sys/block/hdc/device/model |
| 20:07.49 | greycat | WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 |
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| 20:08.49 | docmax_ | sorry guys ill go crazy!!!! look at this... |
| 20:08.57 | docmax_ | /fritz.box/HDD01 /media/HDD01 cifs user=docmax,pass=3dsmax noauto <- in my fstab |
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| 20:09.17 | docmax_ | [mntent]: line 23 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 20:09.21 | greycat | and, uh, what is "/fritz.box" supposed to be? |
| 20:09.29 | docmax_ | mount: can't find /media/HDD01 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 20:09.45 | docmax_ | its my samba-server |
| 20:10.21 | docmax_ | it claims he cant find /media/HDD01 ... but its in my fstab!!! |
| 20:10.46 | cahoot | and the mountpoint exists? |
| 20:10.50 | greycat | should the noauto be in the same field as the other options? |
| 20:10.51 | prince_jammys | looks like a missing comma |
| 20:11.19 | greycat | I'll just have to assume that "/fritz.box/HDD01" is a valid device node for whatever this is. |
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| 20:11.47 | docmax_ | yeah!!! comma was missing.. i'm soooo dumb |
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| 20:16.19 | prince_jammys | wonders what happened to rxvt-unicode in testing. |
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| 20:17.19 | jelly-home | !why is rxvt-unicode not in testing |
| 20:17.19 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rxvt-unicode |
| 20:17.32 | prince_jammys | thanks! |
| 20:18.00 | helo | mjt: udevadm trigger |
| 20:18.04 | prince_jammys | is that a whole bot factoid or does the bot understand !why ARGS... |
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| 20:18.22 | greycat | !literal CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing |
| 20:18.22 | dpkg | "cmd: why is (.*?) not in testing" is "($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=$1" |
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| 20:18.54 | prince_jammys | nice |
| 20:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is greycat not in testing |
| 20:18.55 | dpkg | greycat is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=greycat |
| 20:19.00 | prince_jammys | ha |
| 20:19.02 | mjt | helo: that works too |
| 20:19.29 | ranix | greycat is not available in Debian |
| 20:19.43 | ranix | perhaps you meant Ubuntu? |
| 20:20.05 | mjt | helo: the diff is that in sysfs you see what you're doing while in udevadm you have to type the ifnames |
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| 20:26.36 | Upgreydd | hi guys, i'm studying computer science, and i have a question. Is there a way to make a Linux based Active Directory server similar to Windows Server? I was looking into a google, but i don't know what i should searching. Any help? |
| 20:27.17 | patrikf | Upgreydd: google "samba" |
| 20:27.39 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I see what program is bound to port 888 ? |
| 20:27.44 | greycat | lsof -i :888 |
| 20:27.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser 888/tcp |
| 20:27.54 | greycat | or netstat -antp | grep :888 |
| 20:27.56 | asg | [Jasper]: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 20:28.17 | Upgreydd | patrikf: i can't use a samba, any other way? |
| 20:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots of ways \o/ |
| 20:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
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| 20:28.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I can't use shoes, but I don't want to go bare-foot.... any solutions" |
| 20:28.55 | DDave | Upgreydd, google for "Active Directory alternatives" |
| 20:28.56 | DDave | lol |
| 20:28.58 | uwjesd | is there an alternative to mc that works more with keybindings? |
| 20:29.03 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: flip-flops |
| 20:29.03 | Mr-R | CutMeOwnThroat: try sandals. ;) |
| 20:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're a type of shoe! |
| 20:29.32 | ranix | I GOT MY SWIM TRUNKS |
| 20:29.36 | ranix | AND MY FLIPPY-FLOPPIES |
| 20:29.37 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: then coat your feet in Super Glue |
| 20:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:29.41 | greycat | Really thick socks. |
| 20:29.43 | ranix | is on a boat |
| 20:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, got me |
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| 20:30.05 | patrikf | ranix: don't you have lowercase letters on your boat? |
| 20:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sucks when it rains, though |
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| 20:30.28 | ranix | patrikf: no, my boat has been christened the S.S. CRUISE CONTROL |
| 20:30.37 | thrashold | Thick socks aren't available in sid |
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| 20:31.22 | Upgreydd | DDave: Should i looking on OpenLDAP? This is it? |
| 20:31.27 | \amethyst | thrashold: I dunno, ssh -D is kind of like thick protective SOCKS |
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| 20:33.35 | hedkandi | hi |
| 20:33.46 | hedkandi | folks does anyone want to help me produce a source package? |
| 20:33.58 | hedkandi | it's totally over my head |
| 20:34.12 | phorce1 | what does the "laptop" choice install when selecting programs on a netinstall? |
| 20:34.13 | Titan8990_ | hedkandi, #debian-mentor on OFTC |
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| 20:34.36 | hedkandi | golly |
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| 20:37.49 | hedkandi | it's debian-mentors actually |
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| 20:39.20 | [TWR] | s/wk |
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| 20:39.22 | [Jasper] | guys, what's the package to install in debian for meminfo? |
| 20:39.38 | [Jasper] | never mijnd |
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| 20:39.46 | greycat | you could search for it on packages.debian.org |
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| 20:41.06 | [Jasper] | yes I was mistaking greycat with /proc/meminfo |
| 20:41.16 | [Jasper] | I'm trying to find detailed information of brand of memory in my box |
| 20:41.24 | [Jasper] | and speed etc, any idea how I can find this |
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| 20:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !myram |
| 20:42.12 | dpkg | [myram] install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 20:42.12 | greycat | I'd probably try hwinfo |
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| 20:45.16 | sthon | [Jasper]: lshw should show all that |
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| 20:49.54 | anykey | Is there any way to tell cups that users must not view other user's jobs? |
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| 20:52.44 | cahoot | anykey: that's not the default already? |
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| 20:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and man cupsd.conf? |
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| 20:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, I think you can see them wiht lpq -a (?) |
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| 20:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only have one user here, hard to say :) |
| 20:53.59 | KC | xorg is consuming a whopping 1.5 gigs of memory |
| 20:54.07 | KC | Is that normal for Lenny? |
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| 20:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | 4387 root 12 -8 241m 211m 13m S 4 3.5 498:18.84 Xorg |
| 20:55.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on what you do/run, I guess |
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| 20:56.47 | cahoot | KC: how do you know? |
| 20:56.47 | KC | A ton of pdfs mostly (which should use a lot of ram, since it'll load the whole thing into ram if there's space, but i shut those down and still have a huge amount being used) |
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| 20:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | KC, try xrestop? |
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| 21:00.47 | KC | CutMeOwnThroat: what am I looking for in here? |
| 21:02.00 | KC | 21115K total - I think that means whatever I'm looking at isn't the source of the problem since it only finds ~20 megs? |
| 21:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess what's using up most of the resources? |
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| 21:02.38 | cahoot | no looking at cache? |
| 21:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I got 155000K total |
| 21:03.05 | KC | KDE-Desktop at 9362K |
| 21:04.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=202790 |
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| 21:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're saying programs reserve space in X for wallpapers or whatever, but don't free it properly |
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| 21:05.25 | starenka_ | what MTA would you recommend for small vps and for a person w/ 0 experience configuring such service? thnaks |
| 21:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say 1.5G is a bit over the edge... but you can only restart.... you might try to figure out what program is causing your high usage |
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| 21:06.04 | KC | hmm |
| 21:06.09 | KC | that link suggests its flash |
| 21:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | starenka_, exim is default... why don't you stick with that? |
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| 21:06.22 | KC | I'll try putting flashblock back on for a week or two |
| 21:06.31 | KC | and restart X alltogether |
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| 21:06.48 | starenka_ | CutMeOwnThroat: all i know, there's a sendmail i dont like to use, thanks |
| 21:07.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | starenka_, sendmail isn't default in Debian, exim is |
| 21:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | (there is *always* /usr/sbin/sendmail, though, because programs expect it) |
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| 21:07.46 | starenka_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it's my bad englsh. want to say: i only know sendmail and dont want to use it. |
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| 21:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I meant: if you have no special preference, try exim, there's probably a reason why that is default in Debian |
| 21:08.35 | markybob | streuner, Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 21:08.39 | markybob | oops |
| 21:08.48 | markybob | starenka_, ^ |
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| 21:08.56 | starenka_ | markybob: hah. thanks, well more ppl in here ;) |
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| 21:09.37 | markybob | starenka_, yes, but if we're not understanding or you're not following us correctly, the number of people is irrelevant |
| 21:10.42 | starenka_ | thinks that practice makes perfect. i need to speak to get better ;) |
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| 21:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, you mean like a 1000 people saying "rhubarb" |
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| 21:13.46 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, i'm still waiting for google to come up with an irc service that translates people in real-time, without anyone even knowing it :P |
| 21:13.53 | jpinx-eeepc | starenka_: try postfix? |
| 21:14.04 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, hell, they're doing it with gmail (in labs) |
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| 21:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, can you my singwiser tell the rhubarb? The fish eating confetti, thanks! |
| 21:16.10 | markybob | heh :) |
| 21:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're trying to send you a transcript of your voice-mail per email if you do google voice |
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| 21:17.01 | anykey | cahoot: doesn't seem default. I can see all jobs cups has ever worked on without credentials. |
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| 21:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, someone left a message in German and google voice translated it into: Yeah probably get on the calling with Go Daddy connections. |
| 21:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I whistled into the line to test it, and google voice transcribed it as "hello, hello?" |
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| 21:19.21 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, :( someday |
| 21:19.52 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 21:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw, I don't have the "any" key on my keyboard :( |
| 21:21.10 | Cromag | you can get one |
| 21:21.17 | Cromag | dealextreme might have one for ya :) |
| 21:21.25 | Cromag | or any geekshop |
| 21:21.32 | anykey | *yawn* someone calling my name? |
| 21:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, someone told my I should just press one of the keys I have... I tried shift, alt and ctrl, but none worked :( |
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| 21:23.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so much for people giving lame advice |
| 21:23.51 | simonrvn | anykey: it's ok, you can go back to lurking in peace |
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| 21:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | "LIP" |
| 21:24.51 | anykey | goes back to lurking in peace. |
| 21:24.51 | simonrvn | !lip |
| 21:24.52 | dpkg | smacks you and shouts "Fresh!" |
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| 21:25.06 | simonrvn | what? |
| 21:25.10 | simonrvn | !factinfo lip |
| 21:25.10 | dpkg | lip -- it has been requested 6 times, last by simonrvn, 19s ago. |
| 21:25.18 | simonrvn | too old |
| 21:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, don't give us LIP! |
| 21:25.42 | simonrvn | !lip is <reply>Lurk In Peace |
| 21:25.42 | dpkg | ...but lip is already something else... |
| 21:25.48 | simonrvn | !no lip is <reply>Lurk In Peace |
| 21:25.48 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 21:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | fresh? |
| 21:26.24 | simonrvn | !lip $1 is <reply>$1 - don't give us any lip! |
| 21:26.24 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 21:26.37 | abrotman | eh .. |
| 21:26.52 | simonrvn | go ahead and delete it if you like |
| 21:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dun't work like that |
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| 21:27.21 | simonrvn | !lip CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:27.21 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat - don't give us any lip! |
| 21:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok ok |
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| 21:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm flabberghasted |
| 21:28.02 | simonrvn | no you're not |
| 21:28.16 | flabberghasted | i am |
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| 21:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
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| 21:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | this would have been funny if you needn't change nick |
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| 21:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | lip |
| 21:31.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lip |
| 21:31.08 | dpkg | Lurk In Peace |
| 21:31.33 | degenerate | wow i now know what i want on my tombstone |
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| 21:32.50 | anoob | My Realtek RTL8187 only works if i stand next to router / modem... if i go to another room, internet doesn't work! how can i solve it? |
| 21:32.59 | abrotman | stand next to the router |
| 21:33.08 | slacker_nl | abrotman: gmta |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | slacker_nl: no |
| 21:33.33 | slacker_nl | abrotman: i was thinking the same |
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| 21:34.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed, it was the solution that came to mind |
| 21:34.39 | abrotman | anoob: did you check to see what kind of signal you're getting ? |
| 21:34.43 | abrotman | (besides crappy) |
| 21:34.44 | degenerate | or network a series of routers throughout your home |
| 21:34.50 | jhutchins_lt | anoob: Try repositioning the router. |
| 21:35.13 | jhutchins_lt | anoob: Also take a look at your signal-to-noise level. |
| 21:35.14 | abrotman | swinging the antenna |
| 21:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | great package description for "horae", there... wtf is EXAFS data and why would you want to process it |
| 21:35.40 | jhutchins_lt | anoob: Something might be causing interference. |
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| 21:36.22 | simonrvn | kinda like swinging your pants around your head |
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| 21:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | "use a cable" |
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| 21:36.59 | degenerate | CutMeOwnThroat: best solution ever |
| 21:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx! |
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| 21:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | degenerate, I put a lot of thought and effort into it, too! |
| 21:38.26 | degenerate | lmfao |
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| 21:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | did, too! |
| 21:40.13 | degenerate | prove it liar |
| 21:40.26 | abrotman | did anyone actually help him? |
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| 21:40.34 | antoine | hello |
| 21:40.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, for certain values of "help" |
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| 21:41.05 | degenerate | fact |
| 21:41.39 | degenerate | abrotman: everything he was told was a feasible solution to his problem |
| 21:41.59 | abrotman | is he actually trying any of that? |
| 21:42.04 | antoine | i want lunch dhcp automaticaly after boot, how can i do that? |
| 21:42.07 | degenerate | i hope so |
| 21:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the solutions we provide are as good as the questions we get (also called "siso rule") |
| 21:42.40 | degenerate | a house with a series of wireless routers networked in every room |
| 21:42.45 | degenerate | that would be bad ass |
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| 21:43.40 | ruben23 | how do i check the drive installed on my debian server..? |
| 21:43.49 | abrotman | check it for what? |
| 21:44.05 | anoob | "Also take a look at your signal-to-noise level." how can i do that? |
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| 21:45.14 | cahoot | anoob: could see what iwlist scan offers |
| 21:46.37 | degenerate | fuck my life this teacher just goes on and on |
| 21:46.51 | cahoot | thanks for sharing |
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| 21:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least it wasn't details about his digestion |
| 21:47.11 | degenerate | had to bitch to someone |
| 21:47.17 | degenerate | fact |
| 21:48.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | small things to be grateful for |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | !ot |
| 21:48.24 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 21:49.02 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: true - there is a small difference between transmental and transcorporeal migration |
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| 21:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there any package that I can use to easily integrate a peak given in x/y data? |
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| 22:00.52 | phorce1 | OK, never had to clean quite so much "default" stuff off of a machine after a fersh install. How does one make the kernel quit trying to load certain modules? I added them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but that isn't available at boot is it? |
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| 22:01.25 | phorce1 | It fails right at the beginning of boot trying to load "fan", "thermal", and "processor" |
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| 22:02.12 | phorce1 | do I need to rebuild the initrd after adding them to the blacklist? |
| 22:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:02.19 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 22:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hope that's still up-to-date |
| 22:02.48 | ruben23 | hi how do i used the swap i ahve on my debian server |
| 22:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | also.. |
| 22:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 22:02.52 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. |
| 22:02.57 | jelly-home | phorce1: "fails"? |
| 22:03.03 | ruben23 | coz my memory free is getting |
| 22:03.06 | ruben23 | low |
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| 22:03.29 | jelly-home | phorce1: those are just some standard acpi modules; failing to load them shouldn't stop the boot process |
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| 22:04.27 | phorce1 | jelly-home: it doesn't stop the boot, I'm just anal about not wanting to see errors on my boot screen |
| 22:04.55 | jelly-home | phorce1: you'll be sorry the next time you change that hardware! |
| 22:04.58 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I've already set acpi=off to get ris of the acpi error |
| 22:05.44 | jelly-home | that's probably smart with a 1999 machine |
| 22:05.49 | phorce1 | jelly-home: this is a laptop hybrid type of machine. No hardware changes (well, minimal anyway) possible |
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| 22:10.44 | phorce1 | OK, now its "WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module fan" --- I guess that's somewhat better ;-) |
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| 22:11.12 | Kuifje111 | hello all. how do I change the system to GMT+1? |
| 22:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 22:11.32 | Kuifje111 | got it |
| 22:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !timezone |
| 22:11.35 | dpkg | timezone is, like, the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 22:11.42 | Kuifje111 | "/etc/timezone" |
| 22:11.44 | Kuifje111 | yaya, got it. |
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| 22:12.33 | jelly-home | phorce1: install modulename /bin/true |
| 22:12.56 | jelly-home | in an /etc/modprobe.d/ file |
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| 22:21.04 | Kuifje111 | are there any EXT3 defrag tools? |
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| 22:21.28 | nsadmin | is there an html editor that I can add tags with scripts that try to render those tags? |
| 22:21.44 | nsadmin | example |
| 22:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ENOPARSE |
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| 22:23.14 | nsadmin | there's an extra tag in a toolkit that looks like: <multiple name="X"> ... @X.field_name@ ... </multiple> |
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| 22:24.11 | nsadmin | inside of which it assumes the name X is bound to a tabular data structure where field_name is one of the columns |
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| 22:26.17 | nsadmin | anyway, in that example I would want to add the tag <multiple ... > and the corresponding script would repeat the tag data for each row of the tabular data structure |
| 22:26.57 | nsadmin | substuting column values as it goes... but all that would be in the script associated with the multiple tag |
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| 22:28.08 | nsadmin | big bonus points for any of this, especially the associated scripts, can be in TCL |
| 22:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, "tar", classically |
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| 22:28.55 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: really? |
| 22:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | since ever and ever... |
| 22:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | testdisk might have something |
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| 22:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but generally ext2/ext3 isn't supposed to fragment |
| 22:29.21 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks. |
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| 22:29.41 | Kuifje111 | thanks for your help. |
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| 22:30.20 | shivraj | I need the latest version of radeonhd package, need support for rv770, can I download it from a repository or how do I compile it myself, Ive never compiled a package before |
| 22:30.26 | simonrvn | i haven't seen many go over 10%, if that |
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| 22:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions fglrx-driver |
| 22:32.51 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4 squeeze/non-free: 1:9-9-1 sid/non-free: 1:9-10-1 |
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| 22:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "latest" |
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| 22:34.09 | simonrvn | the most late, the late late one, really late |
| 22:34.12 | shivraj | CutMeOwnThroat: I dont think the radeonhd driver has support for rv770 chipset ... |
| 22:34.18 | simonrvn | that last one released |
| 22:34.23 | simonrvn | giggles |
| 22:34.35 | shivraj | im in Lenny |
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| 22:35.00 | simonrvn | you are? i hope lenny likes it. |
| 22:35.07 | simonrvn | sorry... |
| 22:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, says non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx, r7xx display driver |
| 22:35.42 | simonrvn | i'll behave |
| 22:35.43 | shivraj | CutMeOwnThroat: I dont want non-free |
| 22:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I don't believe you |
| 22:36.14 | simonrvn | ...in here |
| 22:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | in Lenny? |
| 22:36.34 | simonrvn | cackles |
| 22:36.54 | simonrvn | we're gonna get scolded by abrotman again |
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| 22:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope, he's gorn |
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| 22:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !radeonhd |
| 22:38.12 | dpkg | it has been said that radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx and R6xx family of chipsets (R7xx since version 1.2.2). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you still didn't say what the "newest version" is |
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| 22:38.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 22:38.40 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd -- lenny: 1.2.1-2 sid: 1.2.5-1 squeeze: 1.2.5-1 |
| 22:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if you can use a newer version of that with an older xorg, though |
| 22:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 22:39.32 | shivraj | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I need 1.3.0 |
| 22:41.21 | karsten | sees simonrvn's cackle and raises him two chortles and a guffaw. |
| 22:43.37 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 22:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'd need to backport it... and I'm not sure it would work without a newer xorg version as well |
| 22:44.15 | Kuifje111 | from where does NTP read the timezone? |
| 22:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try, though "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 22:44.36 | simonrvn | /etc/timezone |
| 22:44.46 | Kuifje111 | I changed the timezone in /etc/timezone, but NTP doesnt change the time. |
| 22:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not how it works |
| 22:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally, that is |
| 22:45.03 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: Did you restart it? |
| 22:45.07 | Kuifje111 | yeah. |
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| 22:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | Kuifje111: Did you reboot? |
| 22:45.40 | Kuifje111 | no. |
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| 22:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | I must confess that setting the timezone is something I usually use a utility for. I've been told it's best to do a full reboot to let everything start with the new setting. |
| 22:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally time is stored in GMT or something, and the timezone only determines what time this translates into |
| 22:48.49 | Kuifje111 | ok then, I guess a reboot would do. |
| 22:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | optionally, your local time can be stored to allow for compatibility with windows |
| 22:49.22 | Kuifje111 | I'll do a reboot tomorrow. |
| 22:49.24 | Kuifje111 | am sooooo tired. |
| 22:49.29 | Kuifje111 | head is almost exploding. |
| 22:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | At some point your quality of work is going to reach the point where sleep is actually more productive... |
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| 22:50.22 | Kuifje111 | yeah, true that. |
| 22:50.40 | Kuifje111 | in fact I am not working, but I just cannot be bothered to go to bed. |
| 22:50.55 | Kuifje111 | and I somehow require a ton of sleep. |
| 22:51.15 | Kuifje111 | when I do not set the alarm I can sleep up to 12 hours or even 14 hours. |
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| 22:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | same here |
| 22:51.34 | Kuifje111 | it ruins the whole day. |
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| 22:51.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sleeping also ruins the whole day, though |
| 22:52.02 | Kuifje111 | on a work day I usually get 8+ hours of sleep, but that really isnt enough. |
| 22:52.07 | Kuifje111 | true that. |
| 22:52.36 | Kuifje111 | but I am going to see a doctor soon about this. |
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| 22:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the other hand... do you really want to know... |
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| 22:57.39 | sidh | greetings gentlemen |
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| 22:58.43 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: hell yeah, I do want to know. |
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| 22:59.18 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: I rather have disclosure and do something about it than living in a dream that there's nothing wrong with me. |
| 22:59.25 | sidh | is there a way to know which kind of NIC is recognized by weekly builds of squeeze netinst iso , I've tried 5 different NIC, each time the install process stops because of none NIC recognized |
| 22:59.36 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: but yeah, I know people who rather dont want to know. |
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| 23:03.26 | _Trinity_ | hey what are these bpo kernels? |
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| 23:04.18 | mesaGL | _Trinity_: backports |
| 23:04.27 | _Trinity_ | thanks |
| 23:04.59 | _Trinity_ | has anyone had with their computer not haltng but rebooting? |
| 23:05.09 | _Trinity_ | when unwarrented? |
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| 23:05.51 | sidh | gonna try with the first CD iso and see if he gets a working ethernet card |
| 23:06.14 | mesaGL | _Trinity_: check your memory. your grub menu should have an option for memtest86+ |
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| 23:08.42 | buntfalke | where is the crontab of a non-root user saved? |
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| 23:10.34 | themill | buntfalke: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ but you should use crontab to edit them |
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| 23:10.34 | sidh | buntfalke: dont know , except the system crontab in etc try crontab -e as the user you have on your system to look for the users crontab |
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| 23:11.26 | buntfalke | themill: so why wont cat /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$(whoami) work? |
| 23:11.33 | d_b | Where can I see who logged on to ssh on my computer? |
| 23:11.34 | buntfalke | themill: i just wanna copy it over to another host... |
| 23:11.47 | buntfalke | i know crontab is the tool to use, still, i want to see the file. |
| 23:11.50 | themill | buntfalke: crontab -l |
| 23:12.02 | sidh | /var/log/auth.log |
| 23:12.09 | buntfalke | yeeees, i know. i know. that's not what i care about thought... |
| 23:12.13 | _Trinity_ | mesaGL: it's related to my esb externals because it stays shut down if I unplug my keyboard and the usb sound device |
| 23:12.17 | themill | d_b: "who" or "w" |
| 23:12.20 | Kuifje111 | d_b: or "last" |
| 23:12.26 | buntfalke | themill: why cant i |
| 23:12.35 | buntfalke | themill: why cant i cat the file in var spool? |
| 23:12.45 | themill | buntfalke: look at the permissions |
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| 23:12.46 | Kuifje111 | not enough rights? |
| 23:12.52 | _Trinity_ | mesaGL: I take it it's Debian that fails to unload the corresponding modules |
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| 23:13.45 | buntfalke | themill: Well. I know the directory is write-execute only for non-root non-cron users. but where does crontab -l get the data from then? |
| 23:14.07 | buntfalke | I mean. Something doesnt quite add up there ;-) |
| 23:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at ls -la /usr/bin/crontab |
| 23:15.21 | d_b | sidh: themill: thanks! |
| 23:15.22 | mesaGL | _Trinity_: no idea. check your logs |
| 23:15.24 | buntfalke | Oooh, setgid. I see. Thanks CutMeOwnThroat! |
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| 23:15.37 | buntfalke | and thanks themill |
| 23:15.55 | buntfalke | alright, so scp won't do it :-) |
| 23:16.13 | themill | buntfalke: "crontab -l | ssh foo crontab -" or similar should do |
| 23:16.44 | themill | buntfalke: see man 1 crontab and the comment about "CRONTAB_NOHEADER" though |
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| 23:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | scp would also work, if you're in the crontab group... |
| 23:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... |
| 23:17.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you shouldn't be |
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| 23:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... isn't that kind of set up wrong? |
| 23:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you manage to get into the crontab group, you can easily upgrade that to root access on that machine |
| 23:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least on my machine (and I never touched this) |
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| 23:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, not true -rw------- 1 root crontab 270 Jun 10 2007 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root |
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| 23:19.54 | buntfalke | CutMeOwnThroat: why did you think you could easily exploit that to root access? you thought the root crontab was writable by the groub crontab? |
| 23:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think you can make a new file if /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root doesn't exist |
| 23:20.34 | buntfalke | oh. good point1 |
| 23:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cron might test if the owner is the same as the filename, though |
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| 23:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can't delete an existing file, because sticky bit is set |
| 23:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do have an account "sashroot", though, which also has uid 0 |
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| 23:30.05 | _ke | whats the standard procedure for kernels in debian? is there a way to update them by using apt or do i have to compile them by myself (even with the help of apt) |
| 23:30.48 | abrotman | depends which version you want |
| 23:31.01 | dondelelcaro | _ke: assuming you want one of the ones Debian distributes, you just install it (or upgrade) |
| 23:31.17 | _ke | abrotman, a stable one, which does not have too many security holes in it |
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| 23:31.37 | _ke | dondelelcaro, whats the name of the package youre suggesting? |
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| 23:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 23:33.02 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-7~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 23:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | of cores, of cores... |
| 23:33.43 | abrotman | _ke: lenny has .26 .. there is a .30 in bpo |
| 23:34.42 | _ke | abrotman, and they are suitable for servers too? |
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| 23:38.13 | abrotman | _ke: the .26 is fine .. but you already have that one |
| 23:38.48 | _ke | abrotman, no, i have a custom one. so thats why im asking |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | _ke: so use the Debian one ? |
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| 23:40.08 | _ke | abrotman, just to get it right: linux-image contains an already compiled kernel which hopefully works on my system if i choose the right one? |
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| 23:40.20 | abrotman | _ke: sure, it should work |
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| 23:45.34 | jhutchins | abrotman: How do I get apt to install the backport versions? |
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| 23:46.54 | abrotman | jhutchins: of what? |
| 23:47.04 | abrotman | jhutchins: aptitude -t lenny-backports install <foo> |
| 23:49.24 | jhutchins | Ah, perhaps it's the fact that I'm pinned to etch. |
| 23:50.20 | jhutchins | Hm, no, apparently it's just ignoring that. How do I tell apt to use backports globally? |
| 23:51.47 | themill | jhutchins: not recommended. |
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| 23:52.12 | themill | dpkg: tell jhutchins about backport caveat |
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| 23:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might/will create problems when upgrading to the next stable |
| 23:53.19 | luke3321 | Has anyone noticed that ftp.us.debian.org is really really slow |
| 23:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | next to the issue that there are not necessarily timely security updates for bpo |
| 23:53.30 | luke3321 | (300 b/s) |
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| 23:56.22 | jhutchins | themill: well, I'm chasing some hardware issues, so I was thinking of going with the bpo kernel. |
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| 23:56.46 | Oleg_ | Debian Squeez will be released soon? |
| 23:56.54 | themill | !wwsr |
| 23:56.55 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a freeze starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet>. |
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| 23:57.19 | themill | jhutchins: that's different from upgrading all packages to the bpo version which is what most people mean by "use backports globally" |
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| 23:57.40 | jhutchins | Trye, |
| 23:57.55 | jhutchins | s/trye/true |
