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| 00:11.34 | czytacz | g'night all |
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| 00:16.33 | sweetandy | Can anybody think of a memory tester that is not memtest86+? |
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| 00:17.06 | nsadmin | why not memtest86? |
| 00:18.17 | nsadmin | maybe you should specify what you DO want instead of what you don't, since then we'd have to guess, and I'm too lazy (by -choice-), don't have time, would rather walk my turtle, etc, etc |
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| 00:19.47 | sweetandy | Um, I don't have an x86 computer |
| 00:20.03 | Arrowmaster | what do you have? powerpc? |
| 00:20.15 | sweetandy | Si... you're going to direct me to the ppc debian channel, aren't you? |
| 00:20.26 | sweetandy | snaps. |
| 00:20.43 | czesmir | si senior ^^ |
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| 00:21.55 | Arrowmaster | hmm theres a memtestosx but its an app for osx and costs money |
| 00:22.36 | Rezagrats | How do i remove the web server part out of Debian ? |
| 00:22.46 | sweetandy | The OS X boot disc doesn't have a... I'll just stick to the ppc channel |
| 00:23.32 | Arrowmaster | everything i found seems to have dead links |
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| 00:28.52 | Fare | hi - I'm trying to install an hp c4680 printer/fax on debian. I installed hplip and hplip-gui. hp-scan works, but how do I convince xsane to work? and cups? |
| 00:28.59 | kgoetz | sweetandy: openfirmware should have a memory test built in |
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| 00:30.36 | sweetandy | hmmmm |
| 00:30.48 | sweetandy | I'll look some more. |
| 00:30.51 | Fare | somehow, when run as a user, xsane won't discover the device |
| 00:31.00 | Fare | do I need add the user to some group? |
| 00:32.25 | kgoetz | sweetandy: To test memory, type: |
| 00:32.25 | kgoetz | ok test /memory |
| 00:32.25 | kgoetz | Testing 16 megs of memory at addr 4000000 11 |
| 00:32.25 | kgoetz | ok |
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| 00:32.40 | kgoetz | bah |
| 00:32.47 | kgoetz | oops. |
| 00:33.04 | nsadmin | hmm, looks like a forth interpreter to me |
| 00:33.22 | kgoetz | yup, openfirmware. |
| 00:33.54 | kgoetz | sweetandy: i can pastebin the whole section if you want |
| 00:34.05 | nsadmin | I think Kim Harris has the license plate "FORTH OK" |
| 00:34.32 | sweetandy | i'm getting into OF first |
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| 00:35.12 | kgoetz | here: http://pastebin.com/m4ebf2f9 |
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| 00:35.25 | kgoetz | sweetandy: ctrl+apple+o iirc |
| 00:36.12 | Fare | user "bob" is in group "scanner", but sane-find-scanner won't find the hp scanner as bob, only as root :( |
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| 00:36.33 | sweetandy | "ok" certainly isn't recognized. unknown word. |
| 00:36.38 | sweetandy | and neither is "test" |
| 00:36.43 | kgoetz | ok is built in |
| 00:36.48 | kgoetz | (eg, itsthe prompt) |
| 00:37.02 | sweetandy | Mine says 0 > |
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| 00:37.13 | sweetandy | It does say it's open firmware though, so that's good |
| 00:37.34 | kgoetz | that looks like the bootloader prompt, but its a while since i've dealt with OF on mac (i'm used to it on sparcs) |
| 00:37.51 | Fare | I could chown /dev/bus/usb/002/004 but that wouldn't persist or be good, would it? |
| 00:38.03 | sweetandy | "help" returns "help is not available ok" |
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| 00:38.07 | sweetandy | I'll stop spamming this channel, sry |
| 00:38.37 | kgoetz | sweetandy: you might need to ask ##apple or similar if their openfirmware has any balls at all ;o |
| 00:38.54 | sweetandy | all right, will check |
| 00:39.57 | nsadmin | sweetandy: I had no problem other than at first when I couldn't tell what you wanted and didn't want to search stuff without an actual attainable goal |
| 00:40.26 | tuv | what is a good todo/stickynotes program for a lightweight (openbox) desktop? |
| 00:41.06 | nsadmin | first search for every application and test for goodness |
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| 00:41.53 | nsadmin | once you have a list of every good application in the world, the stickynotes choices will be there somewhere... |
| 00:42.06 | tuv | nsadmin: i'm looking for other people's experiences. i'm not going to embrace the firts suggestion i get |
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| 00:43.27 | tuv | let me rephrase: what programs are you guys using for todo/stickynotes, if any? |
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| 00:49.23 | sway | i use echo and bash's history thing |
| 00:50.06 | Rienzilla | I use things called post-it's :) |
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| 00:50.49 | rww | i have a text file in ~ that I edit with gedit =/ |
| 00:51.02 | Rienzilla | hah ayeah I do that too :) |
| 00:52.49 | sway | or zsh's |
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| 00:56.07 | tuv | sway: i sometimes use the shell history (specially if someone is giving me a number on the phone). but i'm looking for something a little more durable |
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| 01:01.18 | nsadmin | tuv: howbout a script that defines and establishes a user interface together with a database table |
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| 01:23.29 | Fare | looks like the access rights for the printer/scanner are wrong... |
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| 01:27.57 | hotwings | any idea when libavcodec is gonna not be broken in debian testing? |
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| 01:29.00 | tramsei | apt-get constantly freezes on "Unpacking replacement tzdata ...", and I can't kill (or kill -9) or freeze/ctrl+z the dpkg process |
| 01:29.08 | tramsei | http://efreakbnc.net/apt-get.log |
| 01:29.12 | tramsei | thats the strace output |
| 01:29.29 | Sergio` | tuv: you can set appointments and todo in calcurse. |
| 01:29.34 | phobos | hotwings: get libavcodec from debian multimedia |
| 01:29.56 | hotwings | im using multimedia sources i believe |
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| 01:30.32 | zinx | tramsei: sounds like bad media, perhaps. |
| 01:30.32 | hotwings | get this: |
| 01:30.32 | hotwings | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:30.32 | hotwings | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.32 | hotwings | E: Broken packages |
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| 01:31.03 | tramsei | any ideas? |
| 01:31.41 | Sergio` | Is it a very bad idea to run a server in the same computer where I have all my personal files, music, etc? |
| 01:32.00 | hotwings | thats up to you sergio` |
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| 01:32.35 | hotwings | theres risk any time a computer is connected to the net, regardless how "secure" it is |
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| 01:33.37 | Sergio` | All right. |
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| 01:36.18 | Sergio` | hotwings: what if I get an old machine to use specifically as a server? Could I make things in such a way that there is no way to access my personal computer from there? |
| 01:37.28 | krisfremen | Sergio`: i run my server on a pc where i have personal stuff, but i have some increased security |
| 01:37.35 | hotwings | if the computer is accessible at all, theres always risk. sometimes iptables is enough to make someone feel safe, sometimes a dedicated box, ... just gotta put on whatever computer condom makes you feel safe |
| 01:37.50 | krisfremen | passwords are disabled, using keys |
| 01:38.30 | Sergio` | Thanks. I'll give it a try. |
| 01:40.29 | hotwings | i keep my important personal stuff on a usb stick and dont bother much with securing my server. not the end of the world if someone wipes my lost or battlestar galactica tv archive ;) |
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| 01:41.49 | Sergio` | hotwings: but I have about 2TB of relatively well organized data. Books, movies, etc, that would depress me to loose. :) |
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| 01:42.48 | hotwings | as someone who has lost huge amounts of data more then once.. if you really care about it, back it up! |
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| 01:43.28 | Sergio` | You buy me the HDDs for backup? :) |
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| 01:43.43 | doublehp | OT question: how to know is a file is more than 7d old ? "stat $file" outputs dates; but I dont know how to compare/substract those dates with $today ... |
| 01:44.03 | hotwings | i dunno whats more embarassing that i didnt learn after the first time, or that i didnt learn at least with work data after the first time. :( |
| 01:44.08 | module000 | doublehp: script it with bash, perl, or whatever you feel comfortable with? |
| 01:44.13 | krisfremen | doublehp: why not use find? |
| 01:44.38 | hotwings | sergio - 1tb drives are only $80 or so now |
| 01:44.47 | hotwings | seen them as low as $60 with mir |
| 01:45.14 | doublehp | module000: in 11 years, it's the first time I need to know is a file is more than 7d old :/ bash please. |
| 01:45.47 | doublehp | krisfremen: can find work on a directory ? I just need the modify date of the dir, nothing more :) |
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| 01:47.01 | krisfremen | doublehp: find . -type d -mtime 7 |
| 01:47.11 | tobb1 | Hi. how do I pick up women? |
| 01:47.29 | module000 | !ops tobb1 troll |
| 01:47.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: module000 complains about: tobb1 troll |
| 01:47.36 | krisfremen | i'm not near a pc right now, can't verify that exactly, but try it |
| 01:47.39 | tobb1 | hehe |
| 01:47.43 | hotwings | doublehp - use the %s option with date and do some quick math? |
| 01:47.54 | mentor | tobb1: Go away. |
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| 01:48.03 | hotwings | thats what i would do |
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| 01:48.20 | tobb1 | god damn it... I was just kidding |
| 01:48.30 | phobos | !ops troll tobb1 |
| 01:48.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: phobos complains about: troll tobb1 |
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| 01:48.40 | mentor | phobos: Don't repeat |
| 01:48.52 | mentor | tobb1: Have you even remotely got a Debian related query? |
| 01:49.33 | hotwings | asking how to pick up women IS a debian related query, if the women he wants to bone are into debian |
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| 01:49.54 | doublehp | krisfremen: ah ... anacron may perform this task in bash ... gonna see how they do it; from memory they do what I need :) |
| 01:49.58 | tobb1 | not at this particular moment, but I will for sure in the future |
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| 01:50.18 | doublehp | krisfremen: no, i dont need to search subdirs in the dir. Just test one dir, only one :) |
| 01:50.32 | mentor | hotwings: Not even remotely. |
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| 01:50.46 | Sergio` | Ian Murdock seemed to know how to do it. Debian is a contraction of Deby and Ian. |
| 01:51.01 | krisfremen | doublehp: -maxdepth 1 |
| 01:51.06 | hotwings | sure it is, you just need a hint of a sense of humor, thats all |
| 01:51.29 | dondelelcaro | take it to #debian-offtopic if you must... |
| 01:52.05 | Hydroxide | yes, discussion of dating is offtopic here, and also keep in mind that not everyone involved in the debian community is a heterosexual male |
| 01:52.11 | rww | how come there a ): in the list of ops? |
| 01:52.21 | rww | there's ** |
| 01:52.28 | Hydroxide | so please discuss it elsewhere, and think about it before you discuss it anywhere |
| 01:52.39 | hotwings | how do you know tobb1 isnt a homosexual female? |
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| 01:52.57 | doublehp | krisfremen: seems to do it. Thanks. BTW: anacron is also using find :'( << find ${LOCKDIR} -name cron.$BASE $TIME -exec rm {} \; &>/dev/null || true >> where $TIME may be -cmin +65 or -cmin +1445 ... |
| 01:53.25 | krisfremen | welcome mate |
| 01:54.52 | mentor | rww: Someone went away |
| 01:55.07 | doublehp | krisfremen: find $D -maxdepth 0 -type d -mtime 7 |
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| 01:56.17 | krisfremen | oh wait, -mtime +7 for older than 7 days |
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| 02:02.29 | rsmith16384 | is it possible to play blueray movies on linux? |
| 02:03.16 | krisfremen | rsmith16384: yes |
| 02:03.34 | markybob | rsmith16384, and it's blu, not blue, fyi |
| 02:03.54 | rsmith16384 | thanks and thanks |
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| 02:05.39 | zophy | is there a gui tool that displays disk usage in a pie chart ? |
| 02:05.57 | markybob | zophy, yes. baobab |
| 02:06.13 | zophy | new to me |
| 02:06.14 | zophy | tnx |
| 02:07.54 | zophy | ooooh, baobab is very useful |
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| 02:11.01 | adb | judd, versions baobab |
| 02:11.03 | judd | adb: baobab -- etch: 2.4.2-1.1+b1 |
| 02:11.18 | adb | hm , etch |
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| 02:12.25 | markybob | adb, it's in gnome-utils in later releases |
| 02:12.41 | markybob | ...not it's own package. |
| 02:13.01 | adb | tks markybob ;) |
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| 02:27.00 | cesurasean | Can anyone suggest an easy way to backup full images of active servers using debian? I've found that most methods are lacking support, etc, like Amanda, and I'm aware of the rsync method. If you use either one, feel free to suggest it and tell me why....Thanks! |
| 02:28.01 | erpo | cesurasean: What do you mean by "full images"? What do you hope to do with these "full images"? |
| 02:28.18 | somiaj | any drive image program should work |
| 02:28.47 | markybob | cesurasean, google. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 02:28.55 | somiaj | you could just dd the whole partition, though you'll want to not have the partition mounted at the time |
| 02:28.56 | zophy | LOWRAM mmap: Invalid argument |
| 02:28.58 | zophy | crap |
| 02:29.01 | objorn | anytime someone feels like helping a broken down person, feel free http://pastebin.com/m10bf3fd |
| 02:29.54 | zophy | my nordic roots shake the earth |
| 02:29.54 | cesurasean | marky, do you use rsync snapshot? |
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| 02:30.18 | erpo | How can I get S.M.A.R.T. data from a USB hard drive? |
| 02:30.40 | krisfremen | erpo: i don't think you can do that... |
| 02:30.59 | somiaj | objorn: the package 'emacs' is just a meta package. You could dpkg --purge it and then install the version of emacs you want. |
| 02:31.04 | erpo | krisfremen: http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/english.html?/be_hdd.html |
| 02:31.12 | markybob | cesurasean, it's markybob. and yes, the only backup method i use is rsync |
| 02:31.24 | cesurasean | markybob, mybad. |
| 02:31.24 | erpo | krisfremen: Ugh. http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/usb-smart.html |
| 02:31.30 | W0rmF00d | cesurasean, technically, what you're asking for is impossible....you can't make a "backup" of a "running server"....simply by its nature, it is in motion, so the best you can do is make a snapshot of it at that time. |
| 02:31.57 | cesurasean | Thanks WormFood |
| 02:31.58 | WormFood | or "active server" as you named it.....to make a backup of the hard drive is trivial |
| 02:32.16 | WormFood | however, what you want is to backup some things, like the sql server for example. |
| 02:32.34 | cesurasean | well, I want to be able to clone my machines, basically...... |
| 02:32.44 | WormFood | cp is what I use |
| 02:32.46 | krisfremen | erpo: as you see it's only for certain hdds that their usb controller supports smart |
| 02:32.47 | somiaj | objorn: though it looks like your problem is something to do with emacs23-lucid package. Have you checked the bug reports. Looks like a bug in the install script maybe others have seen it |
| 02:32.48 | cesurasean | but I want that data to also include basically a snapshot of the drive at that current time... |
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| 02:33.11 | WormFood | cesurasean, sure, no problem, but you really need to shutdown the server, or mount that drive as read-only |
| 02:33.28 | erpo | cesurasean: What do you mean by clone? Do you want to create lots of servers all with the same disk image? |
| 02:33.31 | cesurasean | I don't want to do that method. Does the server have to be shutdown to take a snapshot? |
| 02:33.42 | cesurasean | yes erpo... |
| 02:34.02 | WormFood | YES! just by its nature, an active server is in motion...files open for writing, and stuff like that. |
| 02:34.13 | cesurasean | I want to do that, then I can figure out the backup situation I suppose. I'm thinking this is going to be a two part answer... |
| 02:34.26 | erpo | cesurasean: If you don't want to learn very much new stuff and you don't mind it being a little slow, use dd. If you are willing to learn a lot of new stuff for some extra speed, try partimage. |
| 02:34.31 | WormFood | I can make it 1 part, but you won't like the answer :P |
| 02:34.46 | cesurasean | WormFood, I can do that with snapshot disk imaging for Windows while everything is active. :) |
| 02:34.50 | WormFood | erpo, he does not want to shutdown the server. |
| 02:34.53 | cesurasean | thats why im asking such questions |
| 02:35.03 | erpo | cesurasean: Linux isn't that advanced yet. |
| 02:35.04 | cesurasean | I just need something that will mimic snapshot disk imaging for windows |
| 02:35.06 | WormFood | cesurasean, then go run it on windows |
| 02:35.11 | somiaj | cesurasean: kinda depends on what you want to take a snapshot of. I take snapshots of all my sensitive data (sql databases, web data, etc) on an active server. I use xfs and they have tools where I can freeze the filesystem so I can ensure a good snapshot. |
| 02:35.12 | cesurasean | thanks erpo. |
| 02:35.15 | erpo | cesurasean: The best you can do is a filesystem snapshot if you're running a bleeding edge filesystem. |
| 02:35.21 | cesurasean | that's the answer I was looking for. |
| 02:35.31 | cesurasean | is that really the case? |
| 02:35.35 | somiaj | not sure if your whole server was using the xfs file system if freeze the system long enough to take a snapshot can work. |
| 02:35.46 | cesurasean | WormFood, I need to backup my linux machines.. |
| 02:35.50 | cesurasean | this isn't a war. |
| 02:36.03 | cesurasean | I was simply stating fact. |
| 02:36.04 | erpo | cesurasean: One of the good things about snapshot disk imaging in Windows is that the service will go out and contact your daemons to let them know that a snapshot is about to take place. |
| 02:36.25 | WormFood | even if you can take a perfect snapshot of a running system's hard drive, you would still have files open, like log files...what happens to the disk buffers if that part is backed up before the buffers are written? |
| 02:36.27 | cesurasean | erpo, why can't this be done in Linux? |
| 02:36.28 | erpo | cesurasean: That means that when you restore from the image, your database files will be usable even if the database server wasn't stopped when you made the snapshot. |
| 02:36.33 | cesurasean | or unix, per say. |
| 02:36.52 | erpo | cesurasean: Because AFAIK linux daemons don't have a facility to be warned when a snapshot is about to take place. |
| 02:37.04 | WormFood | cesurasean, the only way to backup a running Linux system's hard drive, as a snapshot, is to remount the hard drive as read-only, then make a copy of it, and remount it as R/W.... |
| 02:37.22 | erpo | So you could do it, but your database files might be garbled. |
| 02:37.26 | WormFood | erpo, it is more involved answer than that...even if they knew, you'd have to rewrite all your software |
| 02:37.42 | erpo | WormFood: Yes, and in Windows that's already done. |
| 02:37.56 | somiaj | cesurasean: I would suggest creating a disk image [using what ever tool you like] that has the server packages and config files. In most cases the config files and server programs shouldn't be changing once you got it built. From there all you have to do is take snapshots of your data |
| 02:38.01 | cesurasean | so it's a matter of time, basically? |
| 02:38.31 | erpo | cesurasean: It could be. If FOSS developers think it's a useful feature, it will get implemented. If not.... |
| 02:38.38 | WormFood | probably the best thing to do, with what you want, is to cp or rsync all of your data to another machine, then go back and get backups of things that are a problem, like the sql server (you'd make a backup from within the sql server, while it is running) |
| 02:38.48 | erpo | Well, time to go. Thanks folks. :) |
| 02:39.36 | somiaj | cesurasean: for example, mysql allows you to flush and freeze the server so you can take a backup and server calls the the sql database won't get you corrupted data |
| 02:39.39 | WormFood | cesurasean, do you understand my last response? That is the best you're gonna get |
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| 02:40.09 | WormFood | to do more than what I suggested, you'd have to shutdown the server, or remount the drive as read-only |
| 02:40.42 | WormFood | also, another thing you can do to make a perfect backup of a running Linux server, is to make a mirror.....break the mirror, and insert a new drive, and let it rebuild the mirror. |
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| 02:42.14 | markybob | you guys are just crazy. what production server can be down or read only? if you need to deal with a database, you can use mysql replication. no problem. |
| 02:42.42 | WormFood | markybob, that is what I said |
| 02:42.48 | cesurasean | somiaj, that means i have to keep updating my snapshot everytime I update the system, correct? |
| 02:43.02 | WormFood | but he didn't ask about the sql server |
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| 02:43.40 | cesurasean | markybob, exactly. so just use rync snapshot? |
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| 02:43.51 | WormFood | cesurasean, how much Linux experience do you have? Your original question sounds like you don't have a good grasp of how a Linux system runs....it is not windows.....making a backup of windows is much harder than Linux. |
| 02:43.52 | somiaj | cesurasean: correct...though for the servers I use I find that I rarely ever update the server from debian stable. Its only the data that changes so I just spend the time to configure to put data in a place and set it up so it cna be backedup |
| 02:44.10 | markybob | cesurasean, use rsync for everyone but mysql. in mysql you use replication, which you can read about here http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication.html |
| 02:44.16 | markybob | cesurasean, everything* |
| 02:44.40 | somiaj | cesurasean: it isn't that diffcult to build a debian install inside a 'file' on your linux machine. That file is essencially a snapshot. |
| 02:44.53 | cesurasean | thanks guy. I think that's enough info to play around some more... |
| 02:44.55 | WormFood | the sql server may not be the only issues....there may be other software running that acts in a similar way, that may have to be backed up in its own special way, but sql is the main thing |
| 02:44.56 | cesurasean | guys* |
| 02:45.53 | markybob | somiaj, please be quiet. |
| 02:45.55 | WormFood | just like windows, you don't really care about the OS per se, you care about your data....the OS can easily be replaced, but that data is not so easy to replace |
| 02:46.17 | cesurasean | true |
| 02:46.32 | WormFood | on Linux, the main things to backup is the /etc directory and your data...web sites, ftp, sql etc |
| 02:46.44 | module000 | and /home if you have a userbase |
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| 02:47.01 | WormFood | right, of course /home, or any other home directories that may not be in /home |
| 02:47.28 | cesurasean | I always have a lot of crap inside /root/ too. :) |
| 02:47.38 | WormFood | any place that data changes that you are using needs to be backedup.... |
| 02:47.48 | WormFood | the /root/ directory is a user home directory |
| 02:48.06 | WormFood | cesurasean, you probably have a lot of crap inside of /root, because you're doing too much stuff as root, instead of a normal user. |
| 02:48.17 | cesurasean | this is true... |
| 02:48.21 | cesurasean | very true. :) |
| 02:48.22 | WormFood | I bet 90% of what you do as root should be done as a normal user |
| 02:48.30 | cesurasean | good point |
| 02:48.54 | cesurasean | I hate the su command though, and I'm quite lazy. |
| 02:49.05 | WormFood | you can't open 2 windows? |
| 02:49.19 | WormFood | ever heard of "screen"? |
| 02:49.23 | cesurasean | yes |
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| 02:49.37 | somiaj | cesurasean: sudo is a nice command as well. |
| 02:49.49 | WormFood | I keep window 0 open as a tail on my kernel log file, and I keep window 1 open to execute stuff as root |
| 02:50.07 | WormFood | every other window is normal user |
| 02:50.21 | WormFood | then I can quickly switch, and execute what I need as root, and switch back |
| 02:50.46 | cesurasean | sounds like an interesting method... |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | really not any better |
| 02:50.55 | WormFood | if I've typed in some long command line, as a user, and I should have executed it as root, I just put su -c "long command" |
| 02:51.44 | WormFood | yeah, sudo is really the proper way....but I was just telling you how I do it to avoid being root all the time......of course, what I do is only good if you're the only user on the system. |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | that wasn't what i meant |
| 02:52.50 | cesurasean | why is it needed to do that Worm? |
| 02:53.03 | cesurasean | security, but why? |
| 02:53.13 | cesurasean | you have root open anyways, no? |
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| 02:54.52 | WormFood | I do always have a root window open....I try to limit it to 1, but sometimes I'll open a 2nd one, depending on what I'm doing. |
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| 02:55.23 | objorn | firefox won't open the facebook inbox page, why is this so? |
| 02:55.27 | WormFood | I'm very specific to avoid doing things as root...like I NEVER run ssh or wget or things like that, that should clearly be reserved for a user. |
| 02:55.35 | cesurasean | isn't that not too much redundancy though? |
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| 02:55.40 | objorn | anything that requires basic javascript |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | objorn: Firefox or iceweasel ? |
| 02:55.55 | objorn | iceweasel |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | objorn: have any other browsers installed? do they act the same ? |
| 02:56.19 | WormFood | objorn, look at what you have added to firefox/iceweasel, as things like noscript will disable javashit, and look at your FF/IW settings |
| 02:56.32 | abrotman | WormFood: please don't do that |
| 02:56.45 | WormFood | abrotman, do what? |
| 02:56.51 | objorn | i have noscript, but it's turned off, will check settings... |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | if you want to talk about javascript, call it javascript |
| 02:57.02 | somiaj | objorn: firefox has an option to disable all scripts including javascript. Have you checked to make sure you are allowing firefox to run javascript? |
| 02:57.20 | WormFood | rolls his eyes and says "you have no sense of humor" |
| 02:57.21 | objorn | it magically works now after closing firefox for the fifth time |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | WormFood: then don't talk about it, just sit there and be quiet |
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| 02:59.22 | WormFood | what? it is politically incorrect to call it "javashit" now? Is it like someone was confused because they didn't know what I was talking about? |
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| 02:59.36 | abrotman | WormFood: pleas edon't do that again |
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| 03:00.21 | abrotman | objorn: do the drop down menus work? Do the other subpages work ? |
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| 03:01.11 | doublehp | what are the standard node size on ext3 and |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | block size you mean? |
| 03:02.12 | doublehp | y |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | depends on the size of the filesystem that you're creating |
| 03:03.36 | doublehp | directory D contains 310 files; it's 4M on ext3, and becomes 13M after copying on VFAT ... after cp I expected the size of files to remain the same: I did not expect cp -a to triple data volume ^^ I wonder if by default df -h uses the disk space used |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | doublehp: so check the block size on each filesystem |
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| 03:04.36 | doublehp | does my comment seem reasonable for "small files" ? |
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| 03:05.37 | doublehp | df -h reports lots of 4k files on ext3, and lots of 32k files on FAT ... |
| 03:05.45 | abrotman | that's not what i said ... |
| 03:05.56 | objorn | abrotman: yeah, i think it was the reinstall. i restarted after installing the latest iceweasel, nothing happened, but the second time everything worked |
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| 03:06.08 | abrotman | okay then .. |
| 03:06.22 | objorn | abrotman: i've missed you today :P |
| 03:06.24 | doublehp | abrotman: so what did u mean ? |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | doublehp: figure out the block size on each filesystem |
| 03:06.35 | cesurasean | How do I make an initial snapshot image of my disk like you guys were saying? Not the rsync method, but just an image of my linux system in case I want to make clones? |
| 03:06.43 | objorn | has needed help several times and became so frustrated that i actually stepped away from teh puter for a bit |
| 03:06.54 | cesurasean | no one mentioned any software.. |
| 03:07.12 | doublehp | abrotman: seem 4k and 32k. assuming ... df -h reports the space used on disk (and not the actual data size ) |
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| 03:07.44 | abrotman | doublehp: and it's a bunch of small files ? |
| 03:08.00 | doublehp | 310 files taking 4M |
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| 03:08.34 | doublehp | abrotman: tune2fs reports block size = 4096 on ext3; not sure how to check this value on vfat |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | doublehp: let me put it this way .. let's just say each file were 3k, on your ext3 partition you'd waste 1k per file, on your vfat you'd waste 29k per file |
| 03:09.37 | cesurasean | WormFood, can you suggest software to use to make my initial clone? I want to backup everything I have right now onto an image file.... |
| 03:10.05 | doublehp | abrotman: so, do you think it's normal that a 4M directory can become 13M after a simple cp -a ? I never encontoured such a room loss |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | doublehp: it could be .. you'll have to figure out the block size on the vfat filesystem |
| 03:10.55 | doublehp | I think it's been 32k since ages ^^ |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | doublehp: no, it's also filesystem size dependent .. how big is your vfat filesystem ? |
| 03:12.29 | doublehp | abrotman: 2GB. can't find any command to check VFAT properties |
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| 03:13.31 | abrotman | it's either 32k or 64k depending on the exact filesystem size .. 2GB is a tier |
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| 03:13.49 | doublehp | 2032 MB, 2032664576 bytes |
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| 03:14.31 | abrotman | so it would be 32k |
| 03:14.43 | doublehp | why ? man mkfs does not report that |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | why what? dont' argue with me about it, i didn't make the rules |
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| 03:15.44 | doublehp | abrotman: I am asking you: where do you read this ? and which command can I use to check this "in practice" ? |
| 03:15.56 | abrotman | doublehp: the internet has a lot of information |
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| 03:16.20 | xxtjaxx | hey Is somebody from the debian mailinglists here? |
| 03:16.20 | doublehp | i was think of an equivalent to tune2fs -l ... for fat :/ |
| 03:16.52 | doublehp | abrotman: thanks any way. I am sad :/ copying this directory makes it grow x3 |
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| 03:17.26 | abrotman | xxtjaxx: please just ask your real question |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | doublehp: does it really matter that much ? |
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| 03:18.04 | Vasistha | !broadcom |
| 03:18.04 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43> or <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 03:18.08 | xxtjaxx | okay uhm I dont believe that belongs to the mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00379.html somebody should delite that one |
| 03:18.15 | abrotman | !tell Vasistha about msg the bot |
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| 03:18.43 | Vasistha | abrotman: *sheepishly* wanted to get it into my debian.log |
| 03:18.46 | abrotman | xxtjaxx: it's spam, it's a public list, that happens .. just delete it |
| 03:18.50 | doublehp | abrotman: no. It's "just ~10M" ... but I an thinking .... if my source folder was, let say ... 600G on ext3, and my target FAT drive only 1T .... it would not do it. |
| 03:19.11 | doublehp | abrotman: thus, I am thinking that, FAT is under-efficient for small files |
| 03:19.16 | abrotman | doublehp: would you like me to answer that having a 600GB FAT partition is just silly :) |
| 03:19.25 | xxtjaxx | abrotmano okay but some staff should do this then |
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| 03:19.51 | doublehp | abrotman: no :) was just a thought. |
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| 03:20.04 | abrotman | xxtjaxx: they get a lot .. |
| 03:20.15 | xxtjaxx | didnt know |
| 03:20.47 | abrotman | xxtjaxx: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/threads.html .. i see a bunch on there |
| 03:21.27 | doublehp | abrotman: thx. bye |
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| 03:21.34 | abrotman | okay! |
| 03:22.29 | phobos | anyone have any suggestions on how to fix a missing arch issue with dpkg? |
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| 03:23.29 | abrotman | missing arch ? |
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| 03:24.23 | phobos | yeah, heres the whole error message:I wasn't able to locate a file for the nerolinux package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
| 03:24.35 | freenose | How can I check with aptitude cli which pkgs installed are from backports? |
| 03:24.45 | phobos | trying to purge the nero package and apparently its an unstable state... tried a reinstall, dpkg quit |
| 03:24.54 | phobos | message about a broken pipe |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | !tell freenose about which repo |
| 03:25.15 | abrotman | phobos: nero isn't in debian |
| 03:25.30 | phobos | abrotman: I'm aware of that. |
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| 03:25.56 | phobos | but I thought I'd ask about the dpkg error in here |
| 03:26.18 | abrotman | phobos: maybe put the actual error in a pastebin |
| 03:26.50 | phobos | abrotman: that was the actual error, but I'll put it up in pastebin |
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| 03:28.25 | freenose | abrotman: I mean something like 'aptitude search 'installed backports here'' |
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| 03:28.38 | phobos | abrotman: heres the link http://pastebin.com/d569f6baa trying to reinstall it so I get it out of the unstable state and let aptitude purge it |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | freenose: let me look |
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| 03:30.13 | abrotman | freenose: aptitude search "~Vbpo" perhaps |
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| 03:30.49 | abrotman | phobos: what does 'uname -a' say ? |
| 03:31.43 | leejongwook | what is *.ppk file ? when does the scp client use it ? |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | leejongwook: putty private key IIRC |
| 03:32.01 | leejongwook | with ppk file, can i log-in to ssh server without password ? |
| 03:32.09 | phobos | abrotman: 2.6.30-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Aug 15 19:11:58 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux should have just asked the kernel revision and version of debian |
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| 03:32.17 | abrotman | leejongwook: the putty website has instructions for doing that i think |
| 03:32.38 | abrotman | phobos: your kernel is out of date .. |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | phobos: can you 'dpkg -P nerolinux' ? |
| 03:33.05 | leejongwook | i see.. so if i don't care ppk file, and leave it on public pc, somebody could access my pc then ? |
| 03:33.09 | freenose | abrotman: that works but is showing all backports not only the ones installed, how could we add '~i' to that? |
| 03:33.36 | phobos | abrotman: |
| 03:33.37 | phobos | dpkg: error processing nerolinux (--purge): |
| 03:33.37 | dpkg | phobos: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 03:33.38 | phobos | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.40 | phobos | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.01 | phobos | hmmm maybe I should take a screen shot and upload it |
| 03:34.16 | abrotman | freenose: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide .. aptitude search "~Vbpo ~i" .. i think |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | phobos: you'll probably have to read the dpkg man page and find the option to force-ignore the reinstall req |
| 03:35.32 | freenose | abrotman: that worked, thanks, I'll look at the docs |
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| 03:35.40 | phobos | abrotman: Already read it. Just like I had already tried the dpkg -P before asking. |
| 03:35.57 | phobos | Thought it wouldn't hurt to ask before going through the reinstall though |
| 03:36.12 | abrotman | phobos: and you didn't find the option for the reinstreq or whatever it is ? |
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| 03:37.33 | phobos | abrotman: Let me try it again, I know I tried it a week ago |
| 03:37.33 | abrotman | you've been stuck like this for a week ? |
| 03:37.57 | phobos | abrotman: Its been like that for about 2 weeks. Its on a laptop that I don't really use much anyway |
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| 03:41.06 | phobos | abrotman: thanx for your help. |
| 03:41.49 | abrotman | phobos: all worked out ? |
| 03:42.03 | phobos | abrotman: I just ran the --force-remove-reinstreq again and for whatever reason, it went through this time. |
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| 03:49.23 | rgr | is there a tool/auto way of getting best/optimised settings for an intel on boars graphics? While quite a dated laptop, the video performance is dire. I have the "intel" chip set in the driver section of xorg.com and various other options scattered around the web - but is there a gui/guide to do it for me? |
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| 03:52.42 | abrotman | probably try not having an xorg.conf to start |
| 03:53.15 | abrotman | there is also #xorg and #intel-gfx |
| 03:54.41 | module000 | rgr: Xorg --help also details a few options to probe and create a config based on what it finds |
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| 03:55.41 | abrotman | rgr: i'm not sure which card you have, but when i moved my xorg.conf aside, i noticed it seemed to work a bit better than when using the xorg.conf i'd be using for years |
| 03:55.51 | rgr | thanks. Its a recent deterioration. No idea what has caused it. |
| 03:56.06 | rgr | its an old thinkpad x30 |
| 03:56.28 | sway | heh |
| 03:56.43 | rgr | 82830 gfx |
| 03:56.52 | abrotman | about as old as mine .. |
| 03:57.06 | abrotman | make a backup of your xorg.conf .. see if it works better without one |
| 03:57.36 | rgr | but was more than enough before. Starting to be a real dog at the moment for some reason. I'll try that but doubt it as I want xcompmgr working too :-; |
| 03:57.57 | rgr | brb |
| 03:57.59 | abrotman | X -configure would generate a new one |
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| 03:58.32 | rgr | so you think start with NO xorg.conf or start with one from X -configure? |
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| 03:59.04 | abrotman | i'm saying try without one first .. it's easy enough to do |
| 03:59.19 | rgr | yeah I know, brb - will give it a lash |
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| 04:13.17 | rgr | x performance seems ok, but my urxvt redraw is SO slow. |
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| 04:17.36 | MrDudle | http://pastebin.com/m297d9669 |
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| 04:35.49 | bookmark_ | hiya |
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| 04:37.29 | bookmark_ | how does the begining of a bash script go? |
| 04:37.44 | bookmark_ | #%== or somethbing |
| 04:38.20 | bookmark_ | #!/bin/bash |
| 04:38.22 | bookmark_ | n/m |
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| 04:40.36 | bookmark_ | what app lets me browse and select a nice anti-aliased font? |
| 04:40.58 | bookmark_ | the is gwaterfall (waterfall), but i can't get the output, the name |
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| 04:43.07 | wookienz | if i want to move one fs to another drive can i just dd the entire thing acorss and then make the new drive bootable? |
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| 04:52.13 | bookmark_ | wookienz, why don't you just reinstall? |
| 04:52.18 | bookmark_ | get the netinstall cd |
| 04:52.25 | bookmark_ | it takes like 30 minutes |
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| 04:52.51 | [gnubie] | Anyone knows the exact cpu-type for the Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz with flags: fpu de tsc msr pae cx8 sep cmov pat clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht syscall nx lm constant_tsc rep_good nonstop_tsc pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 hypervisor lahf_lm ? |
| 04:53.14 | bookmark_ | just don't let it contact the extral servers after it sets timezone |
| 04:53.16 | wookienz | im using a virt machine and ihave the old fs mounted in the virtual machine, i have also added a second virtmachine hdd...thought i could just copy the old to the new, make it bootable then i can boot of the new hdd...saves having to reinstall adn then copy everything across. |
| 04:53.34 | bookmark_ | ew... |
| 04:53.42 | bookmark_ | oh alrighty then |
| 04:54.24 | wookienz | im getting stuck at installing grub stage... |
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| 04:56.38 | bookmark_ | i cancel when it asks to make a root password |
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| 04:56.48 | bookmark_ | then just install grib right then |
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| 04:58.37 | dacs | hello guys |
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| 05:00.06 | dacs | i have a question, anyone here uses HP mini laptop x1000 series... the LED are really bright and i can't find any 3rd part to control 'em, so i am just wondering if anyone here suffering from same symptoms |
| 05:00.27 | Vasistha | dacs: why don't you cover them with a piece of paper and tape |
| 05:01.11 | Vasistha | that's what I did with my bluetooth headset... and my usb flash drive... |
| 05:01.21 | panfist | is it possible to configure a desktop environment and take the configuration with me? |
| 05:01.54 | dacs | Vasistha: i tried that but one is on the on/off switch and i have to remove everytime i use the switch and then put it back |
| 05:01.56 | bookmark_ | get one of those fruity eye coverse |
| 05:02.15 | Vasistha | dacs: doh. well, you could paint it |
| 05:02.25 | panfist | it took me about 5 hours to get gnome on my home machine the way i like it; it would probably take me two hours to do it from a vanilla install now that i know what i'm doing...i'd like to have the same environment at home, work, etc |
| 05:02.42 | dacs | am thinking to add a resistor |
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| 05:03.10 | Vasistha | panfist: dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:03.56 | Vasistha | panfist: you could also copy any /etc and ~/.? files that you've changed, if you want to copy configurations |
| 05:04.06 | Vasistha | dacs: now, that is way more complex |
| 05:04.37 | Vasistha | dacs: how bout some good ol' white-out |
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| 05:05.12 | dacs | lol, getoo hahahah |
| 05:05.23 | panfist | --get-selections and --set-selections would work provided that i have configured the same repos on both machines, right> |
| 05:05.26 | Vasistha | dacs: if you find the right kind of stuff, it will be semi-translucent, so you can still see the light, it just won't be so bright |
| 05:06.14 | Vasistha | panfist: ought to, afaik. I've never actually tried set-selections but it probably works great. |
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| 05:06.28 | dacs | Vasistha: that might work also, but these things are damn bright , when it goes to stby they light the whole fricking room :) |
| 05:06.46 | Vasistha | dacs: hehe. so put it in a drawer. |
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| 05:07.31 | dacs | Vasistha: thats what i do |
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| 05:08.36 | Vasistha | dacs: me too. anyway, good luck. I still think paint, or a very small sticker or something might be the best solution, rather than taking the thing apart. much less possibility of creating problems. |
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| 05:12.27 | dacs | agree |
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| 05:18.32 | dacs | Vasistha: i read that in linux the wireless light is always amber?! that means that it could be controled |
| 05:18.56 | dacs | am not running linux on it so i don't know |
| 05:19.12 | Vasistha | dacs: I'm not sure how you arrive at an implication there |
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| 05:19.38 | dacs | what do you mean? |
| 05:19.43 | meder | what's that command to get a file reference in root mode? |
| 05:19.51 | meder | let's say i want to append echo "foo" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:20.13 | meder | i forget the name of the command, but it started with 'd' perhaps? i want to do basically echo "foo" >> /etc/apt/sources.list but open the latter as su |
| 05:20.34 | meder | dd? |
| 05:20.43 | dacs | echo "foo" >> filename |
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| 05:20.50 | kgoetz | meder: use a new file in sources.list.d |
| 05:21.06 | meder | dacs: no. that won't append to a root owned filename |
| 05:21.13 | meder | if i'm not su |
| 05:21.16 | kgoetz | meder: |sudo tee |
| 05:21.17 | meder | and i won't want to go in su mode |
| 05:21.20 | meder | there we go |
| 05:21.21 | meder | thank you |
| 05:21.29 | kgoetz | meder: but i still suggest a new file, especially dealing with sources.list |
| 05:21.47 | kgoetz | echo "foo" |
| 05:22.01 | kgoetz | echo "foo" |sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/my-new-source.list |
| 05:22.42 | jmarsden | meder: alternatively: su -c "echo "foo" >> /etc/apt/sources.list" # if you prefer su to sudo |
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| 05:25.24 | kgoetz | jmarsden: although you'll need to use '' instead of "" somewhere, or that'll break |
| 05:25.54 | jmarsden | kgoetz: Yes... su -c 'echo "foo" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 05:26.39 | bookmark_ | hehe, check this out: http://andrews3d.com/images/ferrari.jpg |
| 05:26.41 | meder | kgoetz: your second line, that doesnt append, just overwrites, no? |
| 05:26.44 | meder | and yeah, i have backups of it :p |
| 05:27.15 | kgoetz | meder: overwrites yes |
| 05:27.16 | jmarsden | tee -a filename appends |
| 05:27.19 | meder | ah |
| 05:27.25 | bookmark_ | ehehe :) |
| 05:27.35 | kgoetz | bbl. good luck all |
| 05:28.41 | qtqt1 | if "startx -- :1" leaves the screen blank and the keyboard stops working, is there a way to recover console control? I can still ssh in |
| 05:29.27 | jmarsden | qtqt1: Probably ssh in and kill all the relevant X-related processes. |
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| 05:30.54 | qtqt1 | i did that but still stuck with a blank screen and no keyboard |
| 05:31.17 | dacs | dpkg doesn't know about sshd |
| 05:31.17 | dpkg | dacs: no idea |
| 05:33.59 | dacs | I have see a lot of files comes with .md5 checksum, some guy told me it is used to check the file! how? where can i read about this please? |
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| 05:39.36 | sway | dacs: man dgst |
| 05:43.05 | Vasistha | dacs: md5 is an algorithm which takes an input of any length, and outputs a 32-character hexadecimal string, which is a "signature" of sorts of the file. If one bit in the file is changed, then the md5 "sum" will also change -- so it is a good way of checking large downloaded files for errors. run md5sum mycd.iso and compare the output to the strings listed in the .md5 file. |
| 05:43.17 | qtqt1 | i've been trying to google it for a while and not finding anything |
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| 05:45.09 | Vasistha | qtqt1: do you have any idea if X is running? If it is, you could ctrl-alt-backspace to stop it. Dunno if that would help |
| 05:45.10 | dacs | Vasistha: but lets say i have a file m and i added a virus to it, them did the .md5 , what good it is? |
| 05:45.46 | qtqt1 | I've killed the second X session, the one that crashed, but what I want to do is regain control of the first X session |
| 05:45.50 | dacs | well someone sent me a file , and said i can check the .md5 , but what if he added the virus then md5 it |
| 05:45.52 | Vasistha | dacs: the point of md5 is to verify that you got the same thing that the creator created. If you don't trust the person that created the file, then md5 is not going to help you. |
| 05:46.15 | dacs | Vasistha: good point |
| 05:46.18 | bookmark_ | eheh |
| 05:46.24 | qtqt1 | i mean i could just shutdown -r now but I'd rather not do that |
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| 05:49.29 | qtqt1 | in general it seems like you're supposed to know how to start/stop and test xorg.conf without ever having to reboot ... but how to do that when it crashes every other time seems to be a well kept secret |
| 05:51.37 | Vasistha | qtqt1: I don't know that I've ever had to reboot when debugging xorg.conf ... maybe you're running some strange video driver |
| 05:51.44 | qtqt1 | radeon |
| 05:51.55 | dacs | i am getting "invalid mount option", when i plug my external hdd |
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| 05:54.26 | Vasistha | dacs: just by plugging it in? You're not calling mount? Maybe there's something funky in your /etc/fstab |
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| 06:05.18 | mimiloon | hi everybody, is it wise to merge debian repositories with ubuntu repositories? |
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| 06:13.49 | jetscreamer | no mimiloon |
| 06:13.59 | jetscreamer | very unwise |
| 06:16.19 | macrobat | i think randall munroe of xkcd screwed up his system that way |
| 06:16.21 | mimiloon | jetscreamer: then, what do you recommend i do?, some of the packages that i need are available in debian repos |
| 06:16.55 | jetscreamer | well you must run ubuntu then eh |
| 06:17.06 | jetscreamer | you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:17.16 | dacs | This is weird i just installed Debian 5.0.3 on my desktop, using netinst, and it asked me during the installation what "which interface i want to use" and i choose d my wireless, and i made sure to disconnect my wired cable! now after installation i can't see my wireless card or browse the net ! what could be wrong |
| 06:17.19 | kornholi | ubuntu usually has all debian packages + heaps more |
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| 06:17.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:17.44 | kornholi | dacs: wireless configuration o.O |
| 06:17.48 | kornholi | drivers. |
| 06:18.28 | gigo | My GNome network icon always shows a red cross on it. If the network gets disconnected for some reason and I reconnect it again, GNome does not connect to the network automatically. I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart to reconnect to the network again. |
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| 06:18.48 | gigo | I remember that in the stable Lenny, network is managed automatically by GNome or Debian. I would want the same to happen in Squeeze. Please help me. |
| 06:19.00 | Hydroxide | kornholi, mimiloon: ubuntu changes enough important parts of their system and enough unpredictable parts of many other packages that we can't reliably support ubuntu here. please direct ubuntu technical questions to #ubuntu and not here. |
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| 06:19.28 | macrobat | gigo, there is wicd if you use wireless |
| 06:19.39 | gigo | I am using ethernet |
| 06:19.50 | dacs | kornholi: this is not fare, it used the damn thing to install setup files and now it can find it ?! |
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| 06:20.04 | Hydroxide | gigo: wicd works with ethernet too, and network manager remains available |
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| 06:20.16 | dacs | ifconfig |
| 06:20.18 | macrobat | i just "dhclient" and i get my dynamic ip |
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| 06:20.22 | dacs | opps |
| 06:20.26 | mimiloon | thanks for all the help |
| 06:20.30 | kornholi | dacs: no idea |
| 06:20.41 | Hydroxide | gigo: that's the network-manager-gnome package if you're running gnome, or wicd if you want to use that (my preference) |
| 06:20.48 | kornholi | Hydroxide: not asking for failuntu support >.> |
| 06:20.55 | kornholi | i dont even use the damn thing |
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| 06:21.18 | macrobat | is networkmanager useable nowadays? |
| 06:21.19 | Hydroxide | kornholi: ok, I misunderstood what you were saying then. carry on :) |
| 06:21.34 | kornholi | i just hate ubuntu with a passion xd |
| 06:21.37 | Hydroxide | macrobat: not for the setups I tried it for the last time I tried it, but that was a while ago. I am happy sticking with wicd |
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| 06:21.46 | gigo | network-manager-gnome is installed but it doesn't work for me. for example on disconnect-connect, it does not automatically connect. also the icon on the panel always shows a red cross. |
| 06:21.47 | Hydroxide | macrobat: NM might have improved. I don't know. |
| 06:21.55 | Hydroxide | gigo: try wicd instead. |
| 06:22.05 | Hydroxide | heads to bed - others will continue helping you |
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| 06:51.02 | sweetandy | how do I find the package that is the source of a binary installed on my system? a dpkg command? |
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| 06:51.27 | sweetandy | in particular, the passwd binary |
| 06:51.44 | Supaplex | like dpkg -S ? |
| 06:53.25 | [gnubie] | hello all.. |
| 06:53.30 | [gnubie] | i'm on debian lenny |
| 06:53.48 | kornholi | hello [gnubie] |
| 06:53.50 | Supaplex | !cheer [gnubie] |
| 06:53.53 | kornholi | i'm on debian lenny also |
| 06:53.53 | [gnubie] | how will i know what options were used to build the openssl package? |
| 06:54.07 | Supaplex | why build it when you can just install it? |
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| 06:54.48 | [gnubie] | Supaplex: i just want to know if the option to build it was already used in building the package so that i won't be installing my own |
| 06:55.24 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 06:55.27 | Supaplex | !apt-get source |
| 06:55.27 | dpkg | i guess apt-get source is the way to download the debian source for your packages. Run apt-get source and compile packages as a non-root user. Ask me about <source> <deb-src>. If you have several deb-src lines in your sources.list, then you will need to use "apt-get source packagename=version" to control what source version is downloaded (apt-get source ignores the -t option). Also ask me about <package recompile> <simple sid backport> |
| 06:55.36 | sobersabre | I have a bad hard disk in a RAID. |
| 06:55.43 | sobersabre | it's a SATA disk. |
| 06:55.57 | sobersabre | I can see in hwinfo --disk it doesn't print the S/N |
| 06:56.07 | sobersabre | and I don't see it in the OS /dev |
| 06:56.18 | [gnubie] | lshw ? |
| 06:56.27 | sobersabre | I want to remove the faulty hard disk "alive". |
| 06:56.34 | sobersabre | so I have 2 questions. |
| 06:56.50 | [gnubie] | unless it's a hot swappable |
| 06:56.52 | sobersabre | is there a special command I need to issue to power off a hard disk, /dev/sdc ? |
| 06:57.01 | Supaplex | unless your sata system supports it, don't pull it live. |
| 06:57.11 | sobersabre | [gnubie]: how can I know all this ? that it's hot swappable ? |
| 06:57.24 | sobersabre | is it in specs of the HDD or you mean the SATA contoller ? |
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| 06:57.32 | [gnubie] | sata controller |
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| 06:58.08 | sobersabre | [gnubie]: how can I check the "hot-swappability" ? |
| 06:58.16 | sobersabre | given the chipse it known to me ? |
| 06:58.32 | sobersabre | s/chipse/&t/ |
| 06:58.48 | [gnubie] | Supaplex: i don't want to download the source. i just want to know if the option that i need was added when building the openssl binary package available in the lenny stable/updates |
| 06:58.52 | sobersabre | It's Intel P965 chipset. |
| 06:59.09 | Supaplex | okay. I don't know. |
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| 07:00.49 | [gnubie] | sobersabre: not sure though. maybe hotplug can help |
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| 07:02.39 | [gnubie] | sobersabre: maybe check this thread => http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152282 |
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| 07:05.57 | lilzeus | hi, I have 2 hard drives, and one currently has ubuntu, I would like to install Debian on the other, how would booting work? |
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| 07:06.47 | log69 | lilzeus: you will have to setup grub properly |
| 07:07.06 | lilzeus | log69: how do I do that? |
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| 07:07.45 | log69 | lilzeus: grub has to be installed into the boot disk's mbr, and set the rest of its parameters too |
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| 07:08.55 | sobersabre | [gnubie]: cool indeed. |
| 07:08.56 | log69 | lilzeus: if you have a working ubuntu, then everything can stay the same, just first i would remove the ubuntu disk, then install debian on the other, then put back ubuntu disk as the booting one, and change /boot/grub/menu.lst list this: |
| 07:08.57 | sobersabre | :) |
| 07:09.11 | sobersabre | I've removed the drive from md0 by software. |
| 07:09.18 | sobersabre | going to pull out the cable now :) |
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| 07:09.26 | sobersabre | hoping for the best. |
| 07:09.32 | [gnubie] | sobersabre: good luck! ;) |
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| 07:10.15 | lilzeus | log69: ah, I see what you mean |
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| 07:11.04 | log69 | lilzeus: you will have to add a line to /boot/grub/menu.lst on your ubuntu disk like this: |
| 07:11.04 | log69 | title: Debian |
| 07:11.04 | log69 | root (hd0,1) |
| 07:11.04 | log69 | kernel .... |
| 07:11.04 | log69 | you can copy this part from the debian disks /boot/grub/menu.lst to the ubuntu disk's, only you will have to change the hd0,0 to hd1,0 i guess |
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| 07:15.07 | lumis | just out of interest, does anyone have a Samsung NC10 running Debian? |
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| 07:22.20 | ilj | hi |
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| 07:22.33 | tuv | is there a way/tool to switch to a window by its title? |
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| 07:32.21 | smhar | greetings |
| 07:32.25 | smhar | I am back for another problem with my new laptop. this time X is not working. I was fine until the last upgrade, from synaptic, when the net was disconnected during the update. now when I start X I get this error: failed to set up write-combining range (some address) |
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| 07:59.20 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 08:01.07 | gigo | network-manager-gnome is installed but it doesn't work for me. for example on disconnect-connect, it does not automatically connect. also the icon on the panel always shows a red cross. |
| 08:01.12 | gigo | My GNome network icon always shows a red cross on it. If the network gets disconnected for some reason and I reconnect it again, GNome does not connect to the network automatically. I have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart to reconnect to the network again. |
| 08:01.27 | gigo | I remember that in the stable Lenny, network is managed automatically by GNome or Debian. I would want the same to happen in Squeeze. Please help me. |
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| 08:05.37 | Gnu_Raiz | You guys really need to update your topic. |
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| 08:10.13 | simonrvn | gigo: remove nm and do it only via /e/n/interfaces |
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| 08:13.21 | imimimimmi | hi, when i run "cat /dev/ttyS0" (serial) and then try "echo helo > /dev/ttyS0", i get no output from the first terminal. however when i read like this: "cat /proc/tty/driver/serial" I can see the data coming in on TX... any ideas what is wrong or where i can start looking? |
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| 08:13.51 | click170 | Hey, what does a capital T mean in the output of `ls -la`? "d-w-rwxr-T" is what I'm seeing, but I've never seen a 'T' at the end before like that. The file was created from a ruby script and was supposed to be set to mode 700 |
| 08:14.27 | simonrvn | click170: give the script an octal number (because that's what it is) |
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| 08:15.46 | click170 | Hm. Thank you simonrvn! Bizarre. |
| 08:16.03 | simonrvn | not really |
| 08:16.22 | simonrvn | for what the T is look up info or man chmod |
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| 08:18.26 | click170 | Interesting |
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| 08:19.29 | lilzeus | I have 2 hard disks, 1 has ubuntu, I am installing Debian on the other...I disconnected the ubuntu disk drive and I am at the point in the install of Debian where it is asking me if I want to put grub into the MBR, if I want to be able to dual boot into either install, should I allow it to do this? the ubuntu system already has grub installed |
| 08:20.18 | krisfremen | lilzeus: no, but then you need the first hard disk up and running |
| 08:20.40 | krisfremen | so that it can load up the grub of that hdd and call debian from there |
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| 08:21.48 | lilzeus | krisfremen: do I need the other disk up and running NOW, in the middle of the install of Debian? |
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| 08:22.35 | simonrvn | wonders why he disconnected the ubuntu drive |
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| 08:22.43 | krisfremen | lilzeus: not really |
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| 08:22.53 | lilzeus | ok, whew |
| 08:22.57 | krisfremen | you can enter in the previous disk and edit the grub config |
| 08:23.07 | simonrvn | considering you might fry the bus, not a good idea. |
| 08:23.19 | lilzeus | so I should NOT allow Debian to install grub into this drives MBR, but modify the grub on the OTHER disk which has ubuntu on it? |
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| 08:23.31 | krisfremen | don't install grub at all now |
| 08:23.33 | lilzeus | I think you just answered that question |
| 08:23.36 | krisfremen | since you already have it |
| 08:23.37 | lilzeus | lol |
| 08:23.38 | lilzeus | :) |
| 08:23.45 | simonrvn | it won't matter really |
| 08:23.50 | krisfremen | finish install, get back to previous hdd |
| 08:24.02 | krisfremen | edit grub config to include debian hdd |
| 08:24.26 | lilzeus | ok, I may need some help with that |
| 08:24.30 | lilzeus | :) |
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| 08:27.53 | lilzeus | install fails if I do not install grub |
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| 08:30.17 | lilzeus | I tell it 'No' to installing grub in the MBR, but the next step is to install grub on a bootable hard disk |
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| 08:31.46 | lilzeus | what should I do? |
| 08:31.55 | simonrvn | install it anyway. it won't matter when you put the ubuntu back on. install os-prober and it'll do it for you. |
| 08:32.15 | simonrvn | (of course doing this after you're done ;) |
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| 08:33.07 | lilzeus | Its asking me for the hdn,m notation, what do I put? |
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| 08:33.22 | lilzeus | I disconnected the first drive for this install |
| 08:34.03 | simonrvn | since it's the only one right now it'll be 0,m |
| 08:34.33 | lilzeus | so I should put "hd0,m"? |
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| 08:35.30 | lilzeus | Debian will be using the first partition of the 2nd drive |
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| 08:38.03 | simonrvn | why is it even asking you? 0,0 btw, not 0,m literally... |
| 08:38.19 | lilzeus | it seems I can only install it in one place |
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| 08:38.38 | lilzeus | I disconnected the other driver before performing this install |
| 08:38.47 | lilzeus | does it matter? |
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| 08:39.34 | xide | i need 9 ppl to register at this link, that's kinda of a promotion in the russian facebook) sum1 do me a favour, spend 2 minutes of ur life and follow this link http://vk.com/reg480180 |
| 08:40.17 | krisfremen | xide: gtfo |
| 08:41.33 | lilzeus | ugh, I hope I don't screw this up |
| 08:42.22 | krisfremen | lilzeus: errors make experience |
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| 08:49.22 | lilzeus | ok, I am in Debian |
| 08:49.34 | lilzeus | how do I get FireFox on here, it didn't show up in Synaptic |
| 08:49.58 | gnarface | iceweasel |
| 08:50.11 | gnarface | its called iceweasel on debian |
| 08:50.18 | lilzeus | ??? |
| 08:50.27 | lilzeus | oooo k |
| 08:50.40 | gnarface | very traumatic and downright bizarre issue to do with the licensing of the firefox logo |
| 08:50.42 | gnarface | apparently you see, |
| 08:50.48 | gnarface | *firefox* is open source |
| 08:50.52 | gnarface | but the logo isn't :( |
| 08:51.05 | simonrvn | !why iceweasel |
| 08:51.05 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 08:51.23 | gnarface | you get used to it |
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| 08:53.23 | grml-user | man |
| 08:53.33 | grml-user | it's getting old |
| 08:53.57 | lilzeus | weird |
| 08:54.01 | lilzeus | ok |
| 08:54.05 | lilzeus | so, Debian is running |
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| 08:54.30 | lilzeus | what is going to happen when I restart after connecting that other drive? *yikes* |
| 08:54.44 | lilzeus | the one with ubuntu on it |
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| 09:18.00 | lilzeus | hello? |
| 09:18.21 | KineticBug | Using apt, how do I remove a package and the config files? I'm trying to start a fresh postfix install but it keeps grabbing the old config? |
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| 09:18.40 | KineticBug | Should I just delete them, or is there a cleaner way of ensuring everything is fresh? |
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| 09:20.09 | Internat | i think its purge apt-get purge package |
| 09:20.34 | majhool | yep |
| 09:21.02 | KineticBug | Thanks dude! |
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| 09:32.49 | simNIX | KineticBug, from what I got aptitude should be prefered / used over apt ... it brakes less thingsto simply put |
| 09:34.53 | cafaro | if you use apt-get potential dependencies cannot be removed later on |
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| 09:37.56 | sauvin | don't apt-get and aptitude both use the same dpkg backend? |
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| 09:44.39 | gasull | Hi. Question about best practices. Should I install Google App Engine SDK in /usr/local/bin or in /opt/? Thanks. |
| 09:44.44 | quitte | hi. where can i find old versions of debian packages? |
| 09:44.58 | quitte | i'm looking for udev that was previously in sid |
| 09:45.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | !snapshot |
| 09:45.16 | dpkg | i heard snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. unmaintained since May 2008 |
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| 09:47.28 | quitte | Kamping_Kaiser: snapshots is unmaintained and didn't update in quite a while |
| 09:47.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | you may be out of luck then |
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| 09:59.32 | sweetandy | I'm making a list of things to do every time I install Linux. What file do I edit to launch ntpd at startup? |
| 10:00.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | you don't. install it and it runs |
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| 10:00.26 | sweetandy | even after a reboot? |
| 10:00.39 | dutchfish | sweetandy, noramlly it starts right after install, you can config it /etc/ntp.conf |
| 10:00.39 | dutchfish | yes |
| 10:00.59 | dutchfish | sweetandy, check with ps auxww | grep ntpd |
| 10:02.05 | dutchfish | sweetandy, but it needs a networked connection of course ;) |
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| 10:04.39 | gasull | How do I permanently add the directory /usr/local/lib/google_appengine to the Python path? |
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| 10:07.03 | dutchfish | gasull, http://docs.python.org/using/cmdline.html#envvar-PYTHONPATH |
| 10:08.03 | dutchfish | gasull, that if you want it to be seen as a module |
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| 10:11.11 | do0ob | hi |
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| 10:12.34 | flokuehn | 1;2Q |
| 10:12.38 | do0ob | where has xorg.conf been moved to? i installed squeeze and updated to sid, and xorg.conf isn't here, so it can't be something specific to sid right? |
| 10:12.53 | do0ob | i want to switch to the nvidia drivers, they've been installed |
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| 10:13.13 | gasull | dutchfish: thanks. I'm aware of sys.path. What I'm looking for is a way of having it modified permanently. |
| 10:13.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | do0ob: there is no xorg.conf. if you need it you have to write it |
| 10:13.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | afaik |
| 10:13.28 | dutchfish | do0ob, it not installed by default anymore, but you can manually create it if you need it |
| 10:13.29 | do0ob | ah |
| 10:13.50 | do0ob | but will it autodetect and choose the nvidia driver over what its currently using? |
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| 10:14.11 | gasull | do0ob: or download a xorg.conf for your system |
| 10:14.20 | do0ob | download from where? |
| 10:14.21 | dutchfish | gasull, as in compiled in? |
| 10:14.26 | simonrvn | do0ob: X -configure (as root) |
| 10:14.47 | simonrvn | then test and modify with X -config /path/to/new/xorg.conf |
| 10:14.57 | gasull | dutchfish: yes. I want to change the default Python path so it includes Google App Engine. |
| 10:15.03 | simonrvn | erm, modify with $EDITOR of course ;) |
| 10:15.34 | do0ob | ok brb |
| 10:15.41 | dutchfish | gasull, then delve in the source, not that hard to look thta up |
| 10:15.59 | simonrvn | gasull: is there some reason you can't put that in python's sys.path somewhere? |
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| 10:16.46 | `nstuff | mornin |
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| 10:17.22 | `nstuff | i'm getting an error with debian which many ppl have, Error: Could not stat() command file ‘/var/lib/nagios3/rw/nagios.cmd’! |
| 10:17.41 | gasull | simonrvn: I just don't know how |
| 10:17.57 | simonrvn | um using cp |
| 10:18.11 | `nstuff | i did find a fix, but doesn't work ;/ |
| 10:18.19 | dutchfish | `nstuff, is nagios user and admin properly setup? |
| 10:18.24 | simonrvn | /usr/lib/python* |
| 10:18.54 | `nstuff | i do think so yes |
| 10:19.00 | simonrvn | or /usr/local/ ... |
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| 10:19.12 | dutchfish | `nstuff, and dont use the unaproved modules, they are very buggy |
| 10:19.18 | do0ob | thanks it worked |
| 10:19.46 | `nstuff | well i just want to get nrpe working pretty much |
| 10:20.18 | `nstuff | alot of sites say that dpkg-statoverride --update --add nagios www-data 2710 /var/lib/nagios3/rw |
| 10:20.18 | `nstuff | dpkg-statoverride --update --add nagios nagios 751 /var/lib/nagios3 |
| 10:20.21 | dutchfish | `nstuff, what debian installs on default is fine, the rest better watch out twice |
| 10:20.54 | `nstuff | how do you mean, watched out twice?? |
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| 10:21.16 | dutchfish | `nstuff, does has graving security issues as you already know |
| 10:21.28 | dutchfish | s/has/have |
| 10:22.14 | dutchfish | `nstuff, if you delve into the stuff, you can mre easely adept your own, nagios is easy to prgram |
| 10:22.22 | `nstuff | any suggestions what i could do next? |
| 10:22.43 | dutchfish | `nstuff, depends and what you want to monitor |
| 10:23.02 | `nstuff | pretty much remote linux hosts |
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| 10:23.43 | dutchfish | `nstuff, for long term i use munin along with nagios, i wrote my own snmp stuff, and the basic modules are already in Debian |
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| 10:24.12 | dutchfish | `nstuff, you can even integrate munin in Nagios |
| 10:24.28 | `nstuff | hrrrm munin never heard of that one |
| 10:24.37 | dutchfish | `nstuff, you should ;) |
| 10:24.59 | simonrvn | they're easy to write too, just have to know oid to look at (is that the tem for a line like .1.3.1.2476.23.42.2.44?) |
| 10:25.20 | dutchfish | `nstuff, nagios for the triggers and escalations, munin for long time logging ;) |
| 10:25.20 | `nstuff | ehe ;o |
| 10:25.26 | `nstuff | ah |
| 10:26.11 | dutchfish | `nstuff, another good one is cacti |
| 10:26.21 | dutchfish | `nstuff, take you pick |
| 10:26.31 | dutchfish | s/you/your |
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| 10:28.00 | dutchfish | `nstuff, every good amdin should learn those 3, they will safe your neck one day ;) |
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| 10:30.19 | `nstuff | cacti is nice too yup |
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| 10:30.30 | `nstuff | opennms does a nice work on snmp |
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| 10:30.59 | `nstuff | but when you want to import MiB's it pretty much sucks :) |
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| 10:31.57 | dutchfish | `nstuff, i try to bring the snmp stuff to the bare minimum (switches) the rest i can do with those 3 |
| 10:32.23 | dutchfish | `nstuff, or make my own fancy parts on the fly |
| 10:32.37 | dutchfish | `nstuff, within those |
| 10:32.38 | `nstuff | well i wanted to have the netapp mibs in there for our filers |
| 10:33.29 | dutchfish | `nstuff, you have to check wich one does that the most complete, the rest is scripting anyway |
| 10:33.30 | `nstuff | but you right, snmp shouldnt be used to the max. we also use it for mostly the switches |
| 10:33.42 | dutchfish | bingo |
| 10:34.49 | sylar | Hi |
| 10:34.53 | `nstuff | anyhew ;o still having the nagios issue ;) |
| 10:34.56 | `nstuff | hi there |
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| 10:35.28 | sylar | why sound capture (in gnome System->preference->sound) don't have ESD? |
| 10:35.34 | sylar | How can I add ESD? |
| 10:35.40 | dutchfish | `nstuff, can you pastebin a log or something? (be carefull not to reveal sec stuff) |
| 10:36.07 | `nstuff | sure asec |
| 10:37.03 | toxic | hello, I'm having troubles compiling a programm with a non-standard directory for curl... I'm trying to install transmission, and the ld linker fails : http://pastebin.com/m2a0f37cc . But the "file" he seems not to find is actually there, but it's a directorx, and contains curl.h ... I don't see the problem, any help ? |
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| 10:39.03 | `nstuff | there ain't much in the logs then: Disk Space;UNKNOWN;notify-service-by-email;(No output returned from plugin) |
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| 10:39.30 | simonrvn | sylar: esd is dead. use pulseaudio. |
| 10:39.40 | dutchfish | `nstuff, looks like it cant find a mailhandler |
| 10:39.42 | `nstuff | but when try to reschedule the check i get the eror |
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| 10:40.27 | sylar | simonrvn, afaik NX use esd only, so that's what I can use |
| 10:40.41 | dutchfish | `nstuff, is your MTA up and configured? |
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| 10:41.14 | `nstuff | yep should be working fine |
| 10:41.17 | dutchfish | `nstuff, is your nagios setup correctly about mail? |
| 10:42.10 | dutchfish | `nstuff, it will try to deliver locally by default |
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| 10:42.37 | `nstuff | should go strait to root for now |
| 10:42.45 | dutchfish | `nstuff, no it wont |
| 10:43.00 | dutchfish | `nstuff, not by default |
| 10:43.31 | `nstuff | hrr think i set that in the contacts cfg |
| 10:43.55 | dutchfish | `nstuff, ok, try to setup thta part according to the manuals |
| 10:44.13 | dutchfish | `nstuff, nagios has a tool for testing |
| 10:44.45 | dutchfish | `nstuff, also check that nagiosadmin does not have accesive rights |
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| 10:45.03 | dutchfish | `nstuff, keep it to the bare minimum |
| 10:46.35 | dutchfish | `nstuff, oh and read den DEBIANREADME at some points debians install differs from the prestine |
| 10:46.44 | toxic | hello, I'm having troubles compiling a programm with a non-standard directory for curl... I'm trying to install transmission, and the ld linker fails : http://pastebin.com/m2a0f37cc . But the "file" he seems not to find is actually there, but it's a directorx, and contains curl.h ... I don't see the problem, any help ? |
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| 10:47.57 | `nstuff | i was looking for that readme file, didnt find it |
| 10:48.08 | `nstuff | some peeps where refering to it |
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| 10:48.51 | dutchfish | `nstuff, have looked under the /usr/share/docs (if you have the docs installed) ? |
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| 10:49.22 | dutchfish | `nstuff, there are tons of good stuff in there |
| 10:50.34 | `nstuff | should open my eyes first :/ |
| 10:50.36 | dutchfish | `nstuff, or do like i did, i just grabbed to debian source, come sin handy when you want to make your own parts anyway, its quiet simple stuff |
| 10:50.51 | dutchfish | `nstuff, chears |
| 10:50.51 | DustyDingo | hm, that's about the 5th time i try to ask this question in here |
| 10:50.58 | DustyDingo | i fail to upgrade cryptsetup |
| 10:51.10 | `nstuff | lemme do some breakfast before i mess things up some more :o |
| 10:51.10 | DustyDingo | the process hangs when updating the initrd |
| 10:51.18 | DustyDingo | on two of my systems |
| 10:51.23 | dutchfish | `nstuff, okidoki |
| 10:51.35 | dz2 | is there any network data consumption meter running default on debian? |
| 10:51.42 | `nstuff | cheers for the help dutchfish :) |
| 10:51.49 | dutchfish | `nstuff, yw |
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| 10:54.37 | DustyDingo | hm and what is the current status of nvidia drivers in testing? |
| 10:54.40 | dutchfish | dz2, the easiest one is ifconfig |
| 10:54.45 | DustyDingo | seems broken atm? |
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| 10:55.44 | dutchfish | dz2, bwm is another one |
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| 10:56.39 | sylar | simonrvn, are there clients for windows? |
| 10:56.43 | dutchfish | dz2, bwm-ng to be precise |
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| 11:01.07 | dz2 | I was hoping there was something that could tell me my internet download consumption over the past 2 weeks? |
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| 11:01.22 | dz2 | we have blown our data allocation |
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| 11:01.47 | dutchfish | dz2, mayb your router? have you thought about that? |
| 11:02.21 | dutchfish | dz2, that is, if it was up all the time |
| 11:02.25 | dz2 | yes its only a netgear I could check |
| 11:02.33 | dz2 | it was |
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| 11:03.07 | dutchfish | dz2, its not empirical, but better then nothing |
| 11:03.11 | xand | dz2: /proc/net/dev contains network interface statistics |
| 11:03.31 | xand | though if your OS is 32-bit the numbers will wrap at 4GB |
| 11:03.39 | pom4 | hi.. i made use of dhcp3 and dhcpd.conf but since upgrade, i can no longer make use of this package, (replaced by udhcp), and dhcp3-server look like a virtual package.. do anybody know if it is possible to use dhcp3 again, so that i wouldnt have to rewrite dhcpd.conf ? |
| 11:03.41 | dutchfish | xand, do they sustain over reboots/shutdowns? |
| 11:03.49 | xand | no |
| 11:04.05 | xand | you'd need to record it etc |
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| 11:05.25 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 11:06.12 | dz2 | /proc/net/dev seemingly does not sustain over reboots |
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| 11:07.14 | dz2 | anything in /var/log? |
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| 11:07.34 | dutchfish | dz2, i am afraid not, unless you have it setup |
| 11:08.46 | dz2 | we have exceeded our download limit in our house and I'm trying to track down the guilty party |
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| 11:14.07 | dz2 | thanks dutchfish and xand |
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| 11:14.36 | dutchfish | dz2, yw |
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| 11:15.18 | pom4 | i had a dhcpd.conf built over dhcp3-server.. but now dhcp3 package became virtual, and can't use my conf file anymore, do you know of a way to get a dhcp3 instead of udhcp on lenny ? |
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| 11:20.11 | pom4 | can i use backport lenny to have a dhcp3 instead of a udhcp ? |
| 11:21.12 | somiaj | pom4: what do you mean the package become virtual. On my lenny and sid server the dhcp3-server still exists and isn't a meta package. Seems you should just remove the udhcpd server and just use dhcp3-server like your use to |
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| 11:22.20 | pom4 | somiaj, gonna try, but each time i did , it said (dummy package replaced by udhcp) |
| 11:23.09 | grand_grunt | Hi, I'm trying to get direct rendering working on Debian Sid with a Ati Rage 128, and.. it just doesn't work. I've added "glx" and "dri" in Module section in xorg.conf, and that changes nothing. |
| 11:23.52 | somiaj | pom4: hmm, I just saw no mention of that in apt-cache show dhcp3-server |
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| 11:24.24 | pom4 | somiaj, same, except when i try to install : Package dhcp3-server is a virtual package provided by: |
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| 11:25.08 | somiaj | well it if you look at apt-cache show udhcpd you see that it 'provides' dhcp3-server. So you can't have both installed. |
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| 11:25.43 | pom4 | somiaj, i removed it |
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| 11:25.53 | somiaj | pom4: that is the only info I'm going off of. Seems that you cna have what you want. |
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| 11:26.39 | grand_grunt | Is there a way to get direct rendering working, using a Ati Rage 128 and (if possible) free drivers? |
| 11:26.53 | pom4 | somiaj, seems to work differently if i provide a number / release |
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| 11:27.34 | pom4 | somiaj, this apt-get install dhcp3-server=3.1.1-6+lenny3 <== worked |
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| 11:28.04 | pom4 | somiaj, thanks |
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| 11:28.47 | somiaj | pom4: your welcome. |
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| 11:30.18 | asdzxc | hi |
| 11:30.30 | sweetandy | hallo |
| 11:30.32 | asdzxc | i have strange problem with Debian Lenny and my watchdog |
| 11:30.49 | asdzxc | i installed watchdog package and enabled it to watch /dev/watchdog |
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| 11:31.00 | asdzxc | everything works fine, but |
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| 11:31.31 | asdzxc | on booting, when some application cannot start properly (for example if i set MySQL PID file to non-existing directory), watchdog reboots the server |
| 11:32.04 | asdzxc | it is starting up mysql with 'some_text_like_starting-up-mysql . . . . . . .(lots of dots)' |
| 11:32.20 | asdzxc | and, when it's 'dot-ing', watchdog reboots server |
| 11:32.39 | `nstuff | dutchfish: got it fixed, permissions where scewed |
| 11:32.47 | asdzxc | when i disble watchdog, 'dot-ing' completes with 'failed' and server boots up ok |
| 11:32.50 | `nstuff | what a bit food can do ;o |
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| 11:33.32 | asdzxc | any ideas ? |
| 11:34.04 | asdzxc | it looks like watchdog cannot send 'echo' to device when something goes wrong with booting |
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| 11:36.07 | dutchfish | `nstuff, ah good to hear :) |
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| 12:04.25 | blubaustin | hello |
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| 12:05.11 | cahoot | !equivs |
| 12:05.11 | dpkg | equivs is, like, a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 12:05.38 | lumis | cahoot: thanks, will have a look |
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| 12:06.16 | lumis | blubaustin: howdy |
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| 12:06.51 | blubaustin | I replaced my dead intel e100 card with a intel 21040 but.. it wont bring up the interface. It is displayed in lspci, dmesg. But apparently it is not located in /dev under eth0, 1, 2 etc. I have manaully loaded the tulip driver, but to no avail. |
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| 12:10.33 | blubaustin | alright so it filters stuff by mac address... |
| 12:10.38 | blubaustin | makes sense. |
| 12:11.16 | blubaustin | I'll brb I have to restart into debain to try editing that file. |
| 12:11.27 | cahoot | blubaustin: no |
| 12:11.35 | dutchfish | blubaustin, the simplest is to just move that 70-persistent net rule out and restart networking |
| 12:11.37 | cahoot | blubaustin: just remove and run udevadm trigger |
| 12:11.39 | blubaustin | ah. |
| 12:11.45 | blubaustin | ^__^ |
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| 12:12.20 | blubaustin | can it just be renamed.. or do I need to edit another file to make it where it ignores it? |
| 12:12.31 | cahoot | blubaustin: just remove it and run udevadm trigger |
| 12:12.59 | blubaustin | *writes it down* |
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| 12:14.27 | blubaustin | ok, I'll try it, brb. |
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| 12:15.10 | dutchfish | hi channel is it possible to have 2 mousepointers in one screen session (with 2 mouses) under kdm? |
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| 12:15.55 | dutchfish | (for instructional purposes) |
| 12:15.58 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 12:16.14 | EagleScreen | I have to get a trace of wget command, how must I proceed? |
| 12:16.36 | EagleScreen | gdb? |
| 12:16.48 | EagleScreen | are a trace and a backtrace the same? |
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| 12:26.07 | hounddog | hello everyone :) |
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| 12:28.21 | flower | how can you check what aptitude will do? |
| 12:28.28 | flower | before install it? |
| 12:28.31 | blubaustin | ok.. there was no file, it is now recongnized as eth1 but.. still no internet, or connectivity. |
| 12:28.42 | hounddog | gnarface finally i am with a debian root server :) |
| 12:29.01 | hounddog | but need to catch up alot in administration... |
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| 12:29.35 | hounddog | with apt i could also search for packages if i remember that correctly right? |
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| 12:33.56 | blubaustin | ok I guess the person is gone that was helping me |
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| 12:34.12 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.30 | dutchfish | blubaustin, what is your question? |
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| 12:35.25 | blubaustin | I have a intel 21040 that replaced a dead e100, I have it where it manaully loads the tulip driver,it is detected in linux, verified via dmesg and lspci, also is detected and is eth1 but, I still have no internet connectivity, tried ifup eth0 ifdown then ifup etc but it says its not configured. |
| 12:35.44 | blubaustin | So the question would be, whats wrong? |
| 12:36.22 | dutchfish | blubaustin, 1. it might be that the e100 needs firmware to work and is not dead 2, if you dont want to use it anymore blacklist it in /etc/modules |
| 12:36.44 | dutchfish | blue, that way your other nic should work |
| 12:36.49 | blubaustin | believe me it worked before, but the cat 5 female plug came off |
| 12:36.50 | blubaustin | its dead. |
| 12:37.00 | dutchfish | blubaustin, ah ok |
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| 12:37.16 | blubaustin | =P |
| 12:37.35 | cahoot | blubaustin: what device corresponds to eth0 then? |
| 12:37.38 | dutchfish | blubaustin, then blacklist it |
| 12:37.49 | blubaustin | it automaticlly renames eth0 to eth1 |
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| 12:38.14 | EasyTUX | What's the best fit for 4.0r5 Etch (3xDVD) size requirements if I install almost all of it ? |
| 12:38.28 | cahoot | even after you removed 70-persistent-network.rules? |
| 12:38.58 | blubaustin | wasn't present, I checked, which I found weird. |
| 12:39.13 | cahoot | does it exist now? |
| 12:39.36 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.43 | blubaustin | well let me reboot and check. |
| 12:39.49 | blubaustin | *Sighs* |
| 12:39.53 | blubaustin | brb. |
| 12:39.55 | cahoot | reboot? |
| 12:39.55 | EasyTUX | I mean 10G should be enough for Debian 4.0r5 Etch (3xDVD) install neh ? |
| 12:40.21 | blubaustin | yes, this pc is dual booted |
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| 12:40.42 | khem_ | hello |
| 12:40.45 | khem_ | somebody here can help me with RSA? |
| 12:40.45 | blubaustin | new card that I installed works fine here, but in debain no go |
| 12:41.21 | cahoot | blubaustin: usig e1000e+ |
| 12:41.24 | cahoot | ? |
| 12:41.30 | blubaustin | no... |
| 12:41.35 | blubaustin | intel 21040 |
| 12:41.38 | blubaustin | the e100 died. |
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| 12:42.09 | blubaustin | e100 is dead, completely ripped off cat5 female connector. |
| 12:43.07 | cahoot | blubaustin: sorry thought the 'new' one used e1000e |
| 12:43.47 | DiegoMax | hello, i have a problem but im not sure if this is the right place to ask |
| 12:43.51 | DiegoMax | so here is my question anyway |
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| 12:44.12 | blubaustin | its alright anyways off to check. brb |
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| 12:44.50 | gadi_ | I have this error: Warning: Unable to open an initial console. |
| 12:44.51 | DiegoMax | im trying to use the whois utility to get some data that then i use in a bash script, the problem is that i cant really understand how to tell whois to only give me the ISP name for a IP, of course i can just use cut to get the part of the output that i want, but that means that im still wasting server resources querying for useless data.... |
| 12:45.00 | DiegoMax | is there any better channel to ask for this ? |
| 12:45.01 | gadi_ | after upgrade to kernel 2.6.31-3/4 |
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| 12:46.35 | rgr | DiegoMax: #bash probably |
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| 12:46.48 | DiegoMax | but bash has nothing to do with the whois utility afaik... |
| 12:46.51 | rgr | but you need to "man whois" for a start and see what you can reduce if anything |
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| 12:47.00 | DiegoMax | rgr, i of course did that already :) |
| 12:47.13 | rgr | but bash will enable you to filter the output |
| 12:47.15 | anao | hello@all do anyone knows to start pcmanfm at login if icewm-session is used |
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| 12:48.12 | gadi_ | anybody can help-me, with the: Unable to open an initial console ? |
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| 12:50.21 | gnarface | hounddog: apt-cache search [pattern] |
| 12:50.26 | gnarface | check the man pages |
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| 12:50.37 | gnarface | i hear aptitude recommended a lot but i never use it |
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| 12:51.18 | jimcooncat | Situation: Dad got new Time Warner Roadrunner cable modem, ethernet doesn't work, usb connection supposedly active. Dad's computer is Win95, doesn't recognize USB. Tech told him to move to Win2K, and all would be fine. So I thought this would be a good chance to move him to Debian XFCE. Would it work? |
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| 12:52.54 | jimcooncat | I tried Ubuntu Live CD on his Compaq, didn't run (probably video problems), Damn Small Linux worked but didn't connect. |
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| 12:53.07 | blubaustin | alright I decided to login on my imac g3 so I can be logged into irc while trying to fix the NIC problem. |
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| 12:54.10 | gurugeek | Will my throughput increase if i connect both my LAN card and my WIFI to our HOME router? |
| 12:54.30 | blubaustin | no. |
| 12:55.15 | gurugeek | So link aggregation in Linux is not possible? |
| 12:55.43 | gurugeek | oic |
| 12:55.46 | blubaustin | to me it wouldnt be worth it |
| 12:55.48 | jimcooncat | gurugeek: won't your bottleneck be your internet connection? |
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| 12:55.53 | blubaustin | ya. |
| 12:55.55 | blubaustin | exactly |
| 12:55.57 | blubaustin | anyways. |
| 12:56.14 | dutchfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.16 | blubaustin | I guess the people who were hleping me with the intel 21040 nic is gone. >_< |
| 12:56.40 | gurugeek | hmmm ic |
| 12:56.53 | cahoot | so does /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-network.rules exist? |
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| 12:57.22 | gurugeek | i thought i my unit will have more slice of the bandwidth compared to other users on the same router if i do that |
| 12:57.23 | blubaustin | ya I apparnetly typed it wrong last time, I deleted the e100 stuff, and it only has the other. |
| 12:57.32 | blubaustin | rebooted, but still no luck >_< |
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| 12:57.49 | blubaustin | and its net.rules. |
| 12:57.55 | dutchfish | gurugeek, but you can if more then 2 sations are using the total let a proxy do the work based on rules |
| 12:57.56 | cahoot | you didn't remove 70-persistent-network.rules? |
| 12:58.27 | gurugeek | ic anywayz thanks blubaustin dutchfish jimcooncat |
| 12:58.30 | blubaustin | *Sighs* |
| 12:58.35 | blubaustin | it is named |
| 12:58.43 | blubaustin | "70-persistent-net.rules" |
| 12:58.45 | blubaustin | for one. |
| 12:59.00 | blubaustin | there is no .."-network.rules" |
| 12:59.02 | cahoot | blubaustin: ok my bad - remove it and run udevadm trigger - then check its contents |
| 12:59.38 | blubaustin | sorry didn't mean to sound mean..its just linux is very picky about stuff as everyone knows in this room, so I was making sure. |
| 12:59.40 | blubaustin | ^__^ |
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| 13:01.47 | blubaustin | works. |
| 13:01.48 | blubaustin | thank you. |
| 13:02.01 | cahoot | np |
| 13:02.09 | blubaustin | *bows* |
| 13:02.16 | hounddog | any one got a hint for server monitor? |
| 13:02.21 | hounddog | otherwise would use munin |
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| 13:03.17 | foobar_ | What's the name of the tool that generates bindings to C/C++ code for a lot of languages? |
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| 13:03.29 | dutchfish | hounddog, munin, cacti nagios3 to mention a few |
| 13:03.30 | petrux | newbie problem: cannot make my wireless connection working. |
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| 13:04.06 | petrux | I've just installed 64studio and cannot connect to the internet |
| 13:04.22 | abrotman | petrux: you should ask their channel for support |
| 13:04.32 | dutchfish | foobar_, you mean ggc? |
| 13:04.37 | petrux | abrotman: you're right |
| 13:04.39 | dutchfish | foobar_, or gcc? |
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| 13:08.32 | durka42 | how long is fsck.ext2 pass 1 supposed to take? |
| 13:08.49 | abrotman | depends how big the filesystem is and how fast the machine is |
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| 13:11.09 | smhar | greetings.. again |
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| 13:12.59 | johaBBa | if i have multiple encrypted partitions with the same passphrase, is there a way to only enter passphrase once during boot? |
| 13:13.34 | ckreator | my xserver keeps crashing at the time of booting and i am given the message that xserver appears to be already running on display :0. The GDM login screen is not showing up. |
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| 13:25.11 | pistache | I'm failing at installing snort on Debian Lenny. dpkg fails with error code (1), and I can see an error from usermod telling me user snort does not exist. |
| 13:25.13 | DustyDingo | damn |
| 13:25.18 | DustyDingo | i got a problem with luks |
| 13:25.40 | DustyDingo | i created a luks partition in lenny |
| 13:25.40 | pistache | looks like snort does not like my NAME_REGEX |
| 13:25.46 | DustyDingo | then upgraded to testing |
| 13:25.50 | DustyDingo | now i reinstalled lenny |
| 13:26.07 | DustyDingo | and can't access the home partition anymore |
| 13:26.12 | DustyDingo | it's still formated as luks |
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| 13:26.46 | DustyDingo | but when i want to open it, it tells me, that there is no key avaible with this passphrase |
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| 13:32.10 | person | Hello |
| 13:32.30 | person | Why are 'restart' and 'shut down' greyed out when I click on the 'quit' action button in Xfce4.4? |
| 13:33.36 | do0ob | hi |
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| 13:34.51 | person | hi do0ob |
| 13:34.57 | do0ob | anyone have a link to a guide on how to get ndiswrapper setup for a wap2-aes connection on a Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 02) wireless card? |
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| 13:35.09 | pielgrzym | hej hej |
| 13:35.12 | pielgrzym | mam taki problem |
| 13:35.13 | do0ob | the b43 driver scans but doesn't connect |
| 13:35.15 | pielgrzym | lenny |
| 13:35.23 | pielgrzym | zainstalowałem postgresql-8.3 |
| 13:35.28 | chellomere | !pl |
| 13:35.28 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 13:35.30 | winter | pielgrzym: english |
| 13:35.31 | cahoot | do0ob: you have the appropriate firmware ? |
| 13:35.34 | pielgrzym | ops |
| 13:35.34 | pielgrzym | hehe |
| 13:35.37 | pielgrzym | my bad |
| 13:35.41 | pielgrzym | ok, here's the problem |
| 13:35.44 | pielgrzym | got lenny |
| 13:35.44 | bartex | hi, i have a new debian squeeze, and i've downloaded xserver-xorg. does anyone know why 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' wont work? |
| 13:35.51 | pielgrzym | and a postgresql-8.3 package |
| 13:36.17 | do0ob | cahoot: yea it scanned, so i think it does, dmesg showed: wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3) |
| 13:36.23 | pielgrzym | all of the sudden I have trouble doing su postgres - when I type anything as postgres user I get immediately logged out. wtf??? |
| 13:36.30 | person | bartex: Did you install xserver-xorg? |
| 13:36.43 | azeem | su postgres - or su - postgres? |
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| 13:36.50 | pielgrzym | azeem: su postgres |
| 13:36.52 | cahoot | do0ob: modprobe -r b43; modprobe b43; dmesg - any mention of fw? |
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| 13:37.05 | bartex | person: :P yes :) "aptitude install xserver-xorg xbase-clients xfonts-base" |
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| 13:37.26 | person | Ah okay |
| 13:37.26 | person | *shrugs* |
| 13:37.26 | abrotman | bartex: install xorg, not xserver-xorg |
| 13:37.28 | bartex | why? |
| 13:37.38 | abrotman | because that's what you're supposed to use now |
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| 13:37.52 | person | I think I just installed xfce4 and let aptitude do the rest :P |
| 13:38.02 | abrotman | bartex: that won't fix your dpkg-reconfigure question .. what about X are you trying to reconfigure that doesn't owrk ? |
| 13:38.04 | Wyzard | I've seen that happen before too, getting logged out after running a command (though not as postgres) -- even through several levels of ssh and su |
| 13:38.07 | bartex | abrotman: so what, uninstall xserver-xorg |
| 13:38.15 | abrotman | bartex: no .. aptitude install xorg |
| 13:38.32 | Wyzard | I never did figure it out for sure, but it seemed like something was echoing control codes or something that had the effect of typing ^D three times |
| 13:38.38 | bartex | abrotman: ok;] |
| 13:38.46 | person | abrotman, bartex: and aptitude markauto xserver-xorg or future uninstallation? |
| 13:39.11 | stew | person: do you plan on uninstalling xorg at some point? |
| 13:39.20 | person | It's not for me :P |
| 13:39.36 | person | I just thought I'd see if I could say something helpful, have a little stab in the dark :P |
| 13:40.04 | person | Why are 'restart' and 'shut down' greyed out when I click on the 'quit' action button in Xfce4.4? |
| 13:40.15 | bartex | abrotman: only xorg? |
| 13:40.34 | do0ob | person: http://pastebin.com/m2264602a |
| 13:40.42 | Wyzard | person: You might not be privileged to do those actions, e.g. through policykit or something |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | bartex: i'm just telling you that's how you install X now .. i also asked you what about X you're trying to configure |
| 13:41.01 | person | do0ob: Don't send it to me; I don't have a clue about it :P |
| 13:41.21 | do0ob | oh wait cahoot, that was for you |
| 13:41.29 | bartex | abrotman: one moment? |
| 13:41.33 | person | Wyzard: Thanks; what do I need to do then? |
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| 13:42.49 | Wyzard | person: GNOME has an app called "polkit-gnome-authorization" for configuring policykit authorizations... XFCE might have something similar, or you might need to edit policykit config files |
| 13:43.02 | person | thanks |
| 13:43.31 | Wyzard | person: assuming that is in fact the problem (I'm running unstable; I don't think stable uses policykit for this, though I'm not sure) |
| 13:43.38 | LjL | hm, is there anything that would fix init.d scripts to allow for upstart migration in testing automatically? it seems like a daunting job to manually fix the huge number of packages that have reported problems here |
| 13:43.51 | cahoot | do0ob: well firmware seems loaded allright |
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| 13:44.43 | abrotman | LjL: depends what kind of problems were reported .. when i did it, it was just packages that still had initscripts/conffiles remaining |
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| 13:45.50 | person | Wyzard: I can't find polkit-gnome-authorization |
| 13:45.50 | Wyzard | person: Also, check whether anyone else is logged in -- I see separate authorization settings in policykit-gnome-admin for "shut down the system" and "shut down the system when multiple users are logged in" |
| 13:46.14 | Wyzard | person: The former can be done by anyone at the local console, but the latter requires admin authentication (which the XFCE logout dialog doesn't know how to prompt for) |
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| 13:46.18 | LjL | abrotman: i have more or less every possible problem in various places :) examples: package timidity left obsolete init.d script behind, package asterisk removed but not purged, insserv: warning: script 'K19camserv' missing LSB tags and overrides, insserv: script postgresql-8.4: service postgresql already provided!, insserv: There is a loop between service mountnfs and portmap if started, insserv: loop involving service portmap at depth 8 |
| 13:46.22 | person | It's just me logged in Wyzard |
| 13:46.47 | abrotman | LjL: can't you just opt to not do it now |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:47.06 | LjL | abrotman: yes, but i suppose i'll have to do it sooner or later anyway |
| 13:47.17 | Wyzard | person: /usr/bin/polkit-gnome-authorization is in the "policykit-gnome" package |
| 13:47.35 | person | Thanks Wyzard |
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| 13:47.59 | do0ob | cahoot: which is why i'm confused as to why it isn't working, thats why i want to try ndiswrapper |
| 13:48.14 | abrotman | LjL: removing rc packages might help .. but otherwise you'll have to start correcting the issues or wait for hte maintainer |
| 13:48.25 | person | Wyzard: Looks like I don't have policykit anyway |
| 13:48.48 | Wyzard | ok |
| 13:48.49 | lollan | hello, I have ubuntu installed and I'm gonna get rid of it for debian. My home is in another partition, can someone tell me how I can keep my home ? |
| 13:48.52 | Wyzard | In that case I don't know, sorry |
| 13:49.20 | simNIX | lollan, you can but best to backup anyhow to prefent a mistake during install Debian |
| 13:49.28 | Wyzard | lollan: When you install Debian, choose manual partitioning, and you'll be able to select your /home partition and set it to be used as /home in Debian, but not formatted during installation, so the files will still be there |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | lollan: when you install, it gives you the option to not format a partition |
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| 13:50.07 | lollan | ok but they will be a conflict of ownership no ? |
| 13:50.15 | Wyzard | lollan: You'd also want to select the Ubuntu partition and set it to be formatted and used as the / partition for Debian |
| 13:50.18 | deprission | ofta detta funka |
| 13:50.20 | lollan | thanks btw Wyzard simNIX abrotman |
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| 13:50.37 | deprission | I can\t get internet connection please help |
| 13:50.43 | Wyzard | lollan: If the uids don't match, you can change that after you install |
| 13:50.52 | lollan | Wyzard: how ? |
| 13:50.56 | deprission | How do I connect wireless_ |
| 13:50.59 | Wyzard | lollan: man chown |
| 13:51.00 | simNIX | mna chown |
| 13:51.10 | lollan | ok thanks Wyzard |
| 13:51.14 | deprission | This default tool sucks ass |
| 13:51.24 | Wyzard | lollan: but if your account was the initial one created during the Ubuntu install, it'll have the same uid (1000) as the initial one created during a Debian install, so there shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:51.42 | simNIX | deprission, the defailt Linux tool is the command line ;0) |
| 13:51.52 | cahoot | do0ob: using wpa-supplicant? |
| 13:51.54 | r3d0x | hi, i'm new to debian, does does use aptitude too like ubuntu, i read ubuntu is debian based |
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| 13:52.02 | Wyzard | deprission: Take a look at network-manager |
| 13:52.08 | do0ob | cahoot: no i'm using kde's frontend to network manager |
| 13:52.09 | Wyzard | r3d0x: yes and yes |
| 13:52.17 | lollan | Wyzard: I didn't get that |
| 13:52.24 | do0ob | but wpasupplicant is installed |
| 13:52.29 | r3d0x | thats great, thanks Wyzard |
| 13:52.30 | person | r3d0x: Debian uses aptitude, yes |
| 13:52.44 | lollan | Ah ok Wyzard I got it |
| 13:52.45 | lollan | thanks |
| 13:52.46 | Wyzard | lollan: When you install Debian it'll ask you to create an initial user account, and that account will be created with a uid of 1000 |
| 13:53.02 | cahoot | do0ob: might be worth a try to use wpa-supplicant from cli - possibly get some more info on the connection process |
| 13:53.08 | Wyzard | lollan: When you installed Ubuntu the initial user account had a uid of 1000 too, so your files probably already have the correct ownership |
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| 13:53.20 | deprission | system > preferences > networdmanager |
| 13:53.35 | deprission | Does not say anything |
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| 13:53.46 | bartex | abrotman: i have a fresh system. and i've installed xserver-xorg and then i've tried to configure it for my laptop |
| 13:53.56 | lollan | ok I try that, I thought that there would be a conflict Wyzard |
| 13:54.04 | abrotman | bartex: i've asked twice now what about it you were trying to configure |
| 13:54.05 | deprission | system> admin> network |
| 13:54.11 | Wyzard | deprission: If you're using knetworkmanager, there should be an icon in the system tray (near the clock) to interact with it |
| 13:54.22 | bartex | abrotman: nothing happens |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | bartex: right .. you're still not answering my question .. |
| 13:54.42 | bartex | abrotman: :) |
| 13:54.44 | abrotman | bartex: did you try to start X? what happens? |
| 13:54.52 | deprission | This is what happneds |
| 13:54.55 | simNIX | or restart ? |
| 13:55.16 | bartex | abrotman: i've wanted to say that. when i type startx, i see my terminal in high resolution |
| 13:55.27 | bartex | my console |
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| 13:55.39 | deprission | Connect to other wirless networks_ |
| 13:55.39 | abrotman | bartex: did you install a window manager? |
| 13:55.42 | bartex | abrotman: and i cant do nothing |
| 13:55.42 | simNIX | check /var/log/Xorg.log (or name just about) |
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| 13:56.07 | bartex | abrotman: not yet, because the dpkg-refonfigure did not work :P |
| 13:56.11 | r3d0x | it it possible to install debian with gnome on an usb stick? |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | bartex: you probably should install the window manager and/or desktop manager you want |
| 13:56.26 | simNIX | r3c4ll, yup I did |
| 13:56.42 | bartex | abrotman: will KDE 4 work fine on 1,4GHz and 1GB ram :) |
| 13:56.44 | deprission | Your network has been disconnected |
| 13:56.48 | simNIX | only be aware to minimize writes by makeing things like /tmp memfs |
| 13:57.12 | abrotman | bartex: i have no idea, i don't use it |
| 13:57.19 | r3d0x | simNIX: the answer was for me? |
| 13:57.25 | deprission | I need terminal command scan wlan |
| 13:57.28 | simNIX | yup |
| 13:57.31 | bartex | abrotman: so what youre using? |
| 13:57.32 | abrotman | bartex: you could just try something smaller to test if X works |
| 13:57.48 | r3d0x | alright simNIX |
| 13:57.50 | abrotman | bartex: install something like icewm or blackbox to just test if it is working correctly |
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| 13:58.19 | bartex | abrotman: i prefer fluxbox :) |
| 13:58.19 | deprission | I need a terminal command to scan for WLAN |
| 13:58.20 | abrotman | that's fine .. just install it .. you can mess with KDE later |
| 13:58.30 | bartex | ok |
| 13:58.54 | fred1_ | deprission, iwconfig scan |
| 13:59.13 | fred1_ | er |
| 13:59.20 | fred1_ | iwconfig <netdevice> scan |
| 13:59.25 | fred1_ | doh! |
| 13:59.28 | deprission | user@debian:~$ iwconfig scan |
| 13:59.29 | deprission | bash: iwconfig: command not found |
| 13:59.31 | r3d0x | is it possible to install debian netinstall on an usb stick with unetbootin, and delete the unetbootin partition with debian netinstall, to use the netinstaller running in memory to install debian? |
| 13:59.38 | fred1_ | you'll need to install it then |
| 13:59.39 | simNIX | r3c4ll, one other thing to point to; you mobo needs to have support for booting of usb - most I have dont |
| 13:59.40 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.41 | bartex | abrotman: can you tell me one more thing. if everything will be ok, i think i will stay with fluxbox and use XDM. will XDM work with KDE ? |
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| 14:00.02 | person | Thanks Wyzard; just installing policykit has solved the problem. I assume I don't ned to do anything with it to make it secure? |
| 14:00.03 | fred1_ | dog! |
| 14:00.04 | fred1_ | er |
| 14:00.04 | deprission | user@debian:~$ iwlist scan |
| 14:00.04 | deprission | bash: iwlist: command not found |
| 14:00.05 | fred1_ | Doh! |
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| 14:00.07 | fred1_ | ok I give up |
| 14:00.10 | fred1_ | su |
| 14:00.12 | fred1_ | or sudo |
| 14:00.15 | abrotman | bartex: i think we covered this .. i don't use kde |
| 14:00.22 | abrotman | !tell fred1_ about enter |
| 14:00.40 | fred1_ | abrotman, |
| 14:00.41 | fred1_ | havent |
| 14:00.42 | fred1_ | we |
| 14:00.43 | fred1_ | already |
| 14:00.45 | bartex | abrotman: ok, ok :) ... so what youre using, if may i know :) |
| 14:00.46 | fred1_ | discussed |
| 14:00.46 | simNIX | r3c4ll, I populated my usb portable desktop with debootsrap |
| 14:00.46 | fred1_ | this? |
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| 14:01.02 | Wyzard | person: The default configuration should be reasonable, but I don't know, and I'm a bit surprised you had to install it manually |
| 14:01.03 | abrotman | bartex: aptitude install fluxbox xdm |
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| 14:01.32 | bartex | abrotman: fluxbox works fine :D |
| 14:01.40 | deprission | This IRC should be split into 3 seperate IRCs |
| 14:01.43 | Wyzard | person: I got it as a dependency of policykit-gnome, and I guess that wouldn't apply to you since you're using XFCE, but it's also a dependency of HAL (again, in sid) |
| 14:01.56 | person | Wyzard: I didn't have policykit-gnome before |
| 14:02.05 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need it for XFCE |
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| 14:02.13 | person | Wyzard: I do have gnome though |
| 14:02.43 | simNIX | r3c4ll, also I did no swap and maybe this search helps you to find how to best do it for you -> http://www.google.com/search?q=usb+minimize+writes+fs+choice |
| 14:02.45 | person | Wyzard: Maybe it's only recently been introduced. |
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| 14:03.20 | Wyzard | person: It may have been introduced during the GNOME 2.28 transition in sid, and not used by 2.26, though, as I said, I'm not sure |
| 14:03.36 | person | I see Wyzard |
| 14:03.59 | simNIX | r3c4ll, maybe this one is better -> http://www.google.com/search?hl=nl&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Anl%3Aunofficial&q=usb+linux+fs+choice |
| 14:04.14 | person | Well I can't see how I'd be missing anything; I assume aptitude doesn't just magically screw things up |
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| 14:06.19 | Wyzard | person: No, but maybe the XFCE packages don't properly express their dependency on policykit |
| 14:06.45 | Wyzard | person: For GNOME, gnome-session-bin (which probably provides the logout window) depends on policykit-gnome, which depends on policykit |
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| 14:07.57 | do0ob | cahoot: do you know if the b43 driver supports encryption? |
| 14:08.17 | cahoot | do0ob: does here |
| 14:08.24 | person | gnome-session-bin doesn't exist in lenny it seems |
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| 14:09.29 | Wyzard | person: hmm, looks like lenny has gnome 2.22, which is several versions old, so I'm not surprised |
| 14:09.39 | person | Yeah |
| 14:09.46 | person | And I think it has some 2.20 packages :P |
| 14:10.28 | do0ob | can i have a copy of your wpa_supplicant.conf (without the ssids) i want the config |
| 14:10.33 | bartex | abrotman: xdm work also. but where i can change the xorg configuration? there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 14:10.40 | do0ob | cahoot: can i have a copy of your wpa_supplicant.conf (without the ssids) i want the config |
| 14:10.48 | do0ob | please |
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| 14:12.53 | cahoot | http://paste.debian.net/49409/ |
| 14:13.45 | rgr | wow. didnt realise Lenny's Gnome was so old. Would there be huge reliability implications if I install latest gnome on top? or not to be recommended? |
| 14:13.54 | rgr | (its not a server) |
| 14:14.00 | do0ob | rgr: or just upgrade |
| 14:14.21 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: check backports maybe? |
| 14:14.26 | rgr | which particular package? |
| 14:14.52 | do0ob | rgr: everything to testing |
| 14:14.57 | rgr | I have backports in my sources file but cant really see how to find them in synaptic. |
| 14:15.08 | leejongwook | When do we get Debian-6 ? |
| 14:15.13 | rgr | do0ob: guess I might |
| 14:15.31 | leejongwook | @_@ Can't wait Debian-6 :P |
| 14:15.35 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: upgrading for the sake of a package is usually not a good idea |
| 14:15.37 | rgr | why? |
| 14:15.43 | Wyzard | rgr: GNOME is pretty big and complex, and a newer version will require a lot of additional libraries that aren't part of GNOME itself |
| 14:15.45 | leejongwook | :P |
| 14:15.50 | jpinx-eeepc | better to upgrade the package |
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| 14:15.55 | leejongwook | I love Debian too much @_@ |
| 14:15.56 | rgr | thats what I thought. |
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| 14:16.01 | Wyzard | rgr: You'll end up installing a *lot* of non-packaged software, which'll pretty much destroy your system's long-term maintainability |
| 14:16.05 | leejongwook | So I can't wait :P |
| 14:16.18 | rgr | leejongwook: why cant you wait? |
| 14:16.25 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr check backports.org |
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| 14:16.36 | leejongwook | @_@ 'cause i wanna see it |
| 14:16.40 | leejongwook | too much :P |
| 14:16.45 | rgr | I have backports in my sources. But synaptic doesnt seem to show them. |
| 14:16.58 | do0ob | cahoot: is this the correct command line to start it? wpa_supplicant -dd -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0 -Db43 |
| 14:17.10 | leejongwook | rgr, when do we get next version ? |
| 14:17.17 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: tbh I'm not sure if synaptic does backports - I use the commans line |
| 14:17.40 | cirwin | I've tried to disable ipv6 in squeeze by aliasing ipv6 and net-pf-10 to off per the instructions on the internet, but that doesn't work, and I don't even have those modules installed. However, my computer still attempts to connect over ipv6 (and goes through the really slow connection setup) - anyone have further ideas? |
| 14:17.40 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: see backports.org - read all aboit it there |
| 14:17.44 | rgr | I'll google it thanks. |
| 14:17.46 | do0ob | because i see Unsupported driver 'b43'. |
| 14:17.57 | cahoot | do0ob: wpa-supplicant entered by itself will give you the syntax |
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| 14:18.20 | do0ob | cahoot: but its not working with b43, it said unsupported |
| 14:18.21 | cahoot | do0ob: IIRC you want wext for driver |
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| 14:26.32 | bartex | is there a way that a normal user can type for example "ifconfig" not "/sbin/ifconfig" ? |
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| 14:27.17 | petemc | bartex: compare $PATH for a normal user and for root |
| 14:27.24 | Malmis | is there anyone else here that have problems after upgrading packages to latest in sid..? udev and resolvconf doesn't work for me anymore... :/ |
| 14:27.35 | simNIX | bartex, include in path that user /bins or maybe make a softlink to it in /bin |
| 14:27.52 | simNIX | */bins=/sbin |
| 14:29.05 | bartex | simNIX: in my user profile? |
| 14:29.58 | simNIX | if you are that users yes; or in .bash_login -> something like export $PATCH=$PATH:/sbin of top of my head |
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| 14:30.15 | simNIX | PATH that should read |
| 14:30.20 | simNIX | both instances |
| 14:30.25 | bartex | simNIX: ok :) |
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| 14:30.44 | simNIX | (sorry I do know my Linux but not the speedy correct typing) |
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| 14:31.12 | simNIX | = nl |
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| 14:32.51 | Malmis | what is wrong when this happens at boot? "udevd[997]: worker [1012] did not accept message -1 (Connection refused), kill it" |
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| 14:34.14 | cahoot | looks like some mafia manner |
| 14:34.30 | BingO | Hi.. |
| 14:34.36 | BingO | i am new in LINUX |
| 14:34.48 | simNIX | welcome to free and open then :o) |
| 14:35.00 | BingO | kindly help me that how to install alias or eth0:0 or eth0:1 on NIC ? |
| 14:35.03 | leejongwook | when do we get next version of debian ? |
| 14:35.04 | BingO | its debian lenny |
| 14:35.42 | leejongwook | i'm using lenny |
| 14:35.58 | leejongwook | when do we get next one ? |
| 14:36.18 | simNIX | BingO, maybe best start with: |
| 14:36.20 | simNIX | man man |
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| 14:36.25 | simNIX | man interfaces |
| 14:36.27 | BingO | leejonwook: what you want in next one ? |
| 14:36.33 | BingO | simNIX: thankz..!! |
| 14:36.40 | simNIX | (q exits man) |
| 14:36.42 | leejongwook | um... |
| 14:36.58 | leejongwook | better installation speed + |
| 14:37.05 | BingO | simNIX : what that file for /etc/network/run/ifstat ? |
| 14:37.09 | leejongwook | nautilus with tabs |
| 14:37.18 | simNIX | if after taking time reading that maybe best pastebin what you came up with and share link to that here to maybe doule check |
| 14:38.11 | simNIX | ifstat or ifstate ? |
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| 14:38.31 | do0ob | it scans, finds my router's ssid, do you see this when you connect?: No keys have been configured - skip key clearing |
| 14:38.59 | simNIX | BingO, for what you want to do only editing of /etc/interfaces is needed |
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| 14:39.38 | simNIX | BingO, and google can realy be your friend in finding answers other found that faced same questions in past -> http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+ifstate |
| 14:39.39 | cahoot | do0ob: you did put your key into wpa-supplicant.conf? |
| 14:39.43 | do0ob | yes |
| 14:40.02 | simNIX | one aain; if researched forehand and stuck most here wil jump in and help if they can |
| 14:40.03 | BingO | simNIX: yes ifstate |
| 14:40.16 | BingO | SimNIX: i have only one friend Google.. |
| 14:40.18 | simNIX | BingO, try the last google url I gave |
| 14:40.25 | BingO | :) i am asking from him |
| 14:40.40 | BingO | well thanks.. !! |
| 14:40.42 | simNIX | if after that stil not clear ill help ya esearch - I dont know of top head - never needed to mod it |
| 14:40.56 | hounddog | I am running a webserve and just configured pro ftp... currently it is using root but want a ftp user... how should i do that so that the user only has access to var/www |
| 14:40.58 | BingO | simNIX: whats the different between debian and ubuntu ? |
| 14:41.29 | hounddog | or should i even create a user specific folder in var/www for the users? |
| 14:41.44 | simNIX | other goup creating it with other goles - simply put 1st there was / is Deban -> its main focus omongst others is stability |
| 14:42.00 | Malmis | how can i make dpkg-reconfigure udev to generate a new initrd file for all the kernel's i have installed? |
| 14:42.08 | simNIX | Ubuntu takes at times the Debian still unstable and builds with that as base there Ubuntu |
| 14:42.14 | simNIX | besuides that no connection |
| 14:43.03 | simNIX | Ubuntu's focus = easy they say but they do choose to include things which look good but aent yet proven stable - its more complex then that but thats how I see it in a nuttshell |
| 14:43.27 | BingO | simNIX: ubuntu build on the basis of Debian but Debian is still unstable as compare to stable UBUNTU :O ? |
| 14:43.42 | simNIX | not correct ... |
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| 14:43.48 | simNIX | Debian = Stable |
| 14:44.08 | simNIX | and at same time is working on the next release (called testing / unstable) |
| 14:44.20 | hounddog_ | sorry... connection lost |
| 14:44.20 | simNIX | Ubuntu builds on that unstable simply put |
| 14:44.28 | leejongwook | WHEN DO WE GET NEXT VERSION OF DEBIAN :P |
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| 14:44.49 | simNIX | and regular Debian = realy stable - but becouse of tht on a bit older versions of some part of the os |
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| 14:44.53 | leejongwook | DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN ? APPROXIMATELY WHEN ? |
| 14:44.59 | do0ob | leejongwook: when its ready |
| 14:45.08 | simNIX | and peoale stop yelling ;0) |
| 14:45.13 | chellomere | leejongwook, wir, but siyh |
| 14:45.20 | leejongwook | END IF THIS YEAR ? OR NEXT YEAR MARCH ? |
| 14:45.25 | simNIX | leejongwook, maybe have look at bugs still open |
| 14:45.27 | chellomere | !caps lock |
| 14:45.27 | dpkg | i heard capslock is "dumpkeys | sed 's/58 = Caps_Lock/58 = Control/' | loadkeys" turns capslock into control for all VC's. For console-setup, add 'ctrl:nocaps' to XKBOPTIONS within /etc/default/console-setup. |
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| 14:45.29 | simNIX | and help fix pls :) |
| 14:45.35 | chellomere | ... |
| 14:45.53 | sweetandy | I'm just glad lenny finally went stable. |
| 14:45.55 | simNIX | when its cosidered stable and worth releasing :o) |
| 14:46.01 | sweetandy | I think I'm good for a while. |
| 14:46.23 | et | <A>SHOUT SHOUT SHOUT <B> A: try the caps lock key <A> THANKS! SO MUCH EASIER NOW |
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| 14:46.33 | leejongwook | sweetandy, what do you mean by lenny finnaly went stable ? |
| 14:46.33 | leejongwook | with testing ? |
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| 14:46.34 | simNIX | yeah - been for long time .. |
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| 14:46.48 | simNIX | (that Lenny = stable) |
| 14:46.59 | BingO | Good Luck BYE !! |
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| 14:47.18 | sweetandy | I had used lenny (testing) for so long... so very, very long... that once it went stable I felt... so _good_ about it |
| 14:47.36 | sweetandy | I just feel like I could use lenny for another year even without squeeze |
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| 14:47.47 | sweetandy | I tried to upgrade to squeeze and had to resinstall my system from scratch |
| 14:47.51 | sweetandy | so I'm good with lenny |
| 14:47.52 | leejongwook | sweetandy, i see :) |
| 14:47.58 | leejongwook | i didn't try testing yet :P |
| 14:48.04 | leejongwook | i might have to try it soon :P |
| 14:48.13 | simNIX | I gree besides Miro and Zim I dont hae any pkg that I need newer one of |
| 14:48.14 | leejongwook | :) sounds so cool :) |
| 14:48.19 | sweetandy | unless you like a broken system, avoid it for now. squeeze will come in time |
| 14:48.35 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 14:48.41 | simNIX | *agree |
| 14:48.45 | leejongwook | so that means, wait ? |
| 14:49.00 | leejongwook | til i get it from squeeze ? |
| 14:49.07 | sweetandy | you can always compile newer packages into your /local/ dirs |
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| 14:49.08 | simNIX | leejongwook, on main desktop yes wait |
| 14:49.15 | leejongwook | :) i se |
| 14:49.28 | leejongwook | :x love you all :x :x :x |
| 14:49.31 | simNIX | if time to spare and experiment and report bugs you find its welcome if you put it on a spare box |
| 14:49.42 | leejongwook | :) |
| 14:49.48 | simNIX | :) |
| 14:50.04 | sweetandy | I need a spare box. |
| 14:50.07 | leejongwook | see you all next time ~ gotta get some sleep too late here, 11:49pm @_@ |
| 14:50.07 | sweetandy | Hmmph. |
| 14:50.18 | leejongwook | :) |
| 14:50.18 | simNIX | sleepwel |
| 14:50.19 | sweetandy | lol... it's almost 8 am here. |
| 14:50.21 | sweetandy | up all night |
| 14:50.23 | sweetandy | 8 / |
| 14:50.24 | simNIX | im off for some tabaco |
| 14:50.32 | leejongwook | :P |
| 14:50.33 | sweetandy | yaay |
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| 15:02.26 | Sia- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.32 | metaperl | I upgraded Debian/stable and now I'm getting "Address already in use" when trying to start apache2 |
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| 15:04.16 | hark | Sia-: aptitude install '~n^lx-' |
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| 15:05.11 | Sia- | hark, that do remove |
| 15:05.20 | shingouz | hints on how to make my webcams work? 2.6.30-2 and for some reason it seems to me like i am not able to connecto to /dev/video0 even if the device is present in /dev |
| 15:05.22 | Sia- | metaltux, try to stop it |
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| 15:06.32 | andreus | hello. how do i find out to which device my usb stick is connected to? i've erased flash fs somehow and now trying to reformat to fat with mkdfs but i do not know how to know the appropriate device. please, help. |
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| 15:06.52 | cahoot | plug it in and run dmesg |
| 15:06.55 | jeff_hann | andreus: lsusb |
| 15:07.02 | andreus | yes, i can see it with lsusb |
| 15:07.14 | andreus | it says that it is a device 006 |
| 15:07.25 | andreus | but i cannot see anything relative to it in /dev/ |
| 15:08.00 | jeff_hann | lspci -v | grep <stick brand> |
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| 15:08.17 | jeff_hann | eg kingston or whatever your stick is made by |
| 15:08.35 | andreus | kingston |
| 15:08.50 | andreus | yes, i've checked it but it's not there |
| 15:08.50 | jeff_hann | well, then grep Kingston |
| 15:09.02 | andreus | perhaps because it's not mounted, and it doesn't mount |
| 15:09.03 | jeff_hann | replace lspci with lshw |
| 15:09.05 | andreus | i tried it |
| 15:09.37 | jeff_hann | run xconsole and plug it in |
| 15:09.53 | cahoot | plug it in and run dmesg? |
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| 15:10.29 | andreus | yes, i've checked dmesg also but it confuses me |
| 15:10.43 | andreus | i see it says that usb data traveler is scsi |
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| 15:11.06 | cahoot | nothing like: sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk ? |
| 15:11.13 | andreus | moment, checking |
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| 15:11.40 | andreus | lshw finds it but scroll is truncated, logging to file is with ">>"? |
| 15:14.45 | Sia- | hark, another way to do that? |
| 15:14.45 | andreus | http://pastebin.com/m1668bea0 |
| 15:14.57 | andreus | here's a paste for usbhost and kingston device, it doesn't make sense to me which device exactly |
| 15:14.57 | hark | Sia-: if it doesn't work, any other way won't work either |
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| 15:15.26 | Sia- | hark, that is worked to remove all package with lx-* no to install |
| 15:15.28 | hark | andreus: just check dmesg |
| 15:15.47 | hark | Sia-: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 15:17.00 | andreus | http://pastebin.com/meda2e88 |
| 15:17.28 | andreus | dmesg change paste |
| 15:18.28 | jeff_hann | it's /dev/sda |
| 15:19.05 | andreus | hmm |
| 15:19.12 | andreus | i thought it's my harddrive |
| 15:19.23 | andreus | or primary partition |
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| 15:19.57 | {g} | Hey People! When chosing a webhoster, do you see any benefits of a dedicated server over a virtual server? I mean in terms of security. Did anybody ever break out of a virtual machine? |
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| 15:21.30 | andreus | jeff_hann, thank you :) format successful, stick's functional! :) |
| 15:23.25 | andreus | thanks all :) |
| 15:25.07 | dutchfish | {g}, nothing is 100% secure, but common sence and a good admin can make up for it alot |
| 15:25.38 | {g} | hmm.. |
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| 15:26.11 | dutchfish | {g}, both technics can be reasenable save, the more you isolate the easier it is to secure |
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| 15:26.27 | m_dige | Hi guys. Anyone knows how to disable the timeout setting in grub-pc? |
| 15:26.45 | m_dige | Setting it to 0 in /etc/default/grub does not disable it |
| 15:27.03 | cahoot | update-grub after edit? |
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| 15:28.02 | dutchfish | {g}, but is always costs versus needs |
| 15:28.03 | m_dige | cahoot: yes of course |
| 15:28.10 | krew | mother fuckers |
| 15:28.12 | m_dige | cahoot: no effect |
| 15:28.15 | krew | mother fuckers |
| 15:28.26 | azeem | krew: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:28.35 | krew | yeah |
| 15:28.39 | krew | i have your mom blowjob me |
| 15:28.47 | azeem | how is that related to Debian? |
| 15:28.53 | krew | yes |
| 15:28.58 | azeem | my mom runs Ubuntu |
| 15:29.09 | krew | fuck ubuntu |
| 15:29.10 | krew | shit |
| 15:29.15 | azeem | maybe you meant my dad? He's running Debian on his other notebook |
| 15:29.15 | krew | big debian |
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| 15:29.25 | cahoot | now now there's a potty mouth |
| 15:29.29 | krew | you are gay? |
| 15:29.43 | azeem | how is that related to Debian? |
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| 15:29.51 | azeem | krew: this is a support channel, not a chat room |
| 15:29.56 | andreus | krew, works for microsoft |
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| 15:30.05 | krew | naaaaa |
| 15:30.12 | krew | microsoft sux |
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| 15:30.29 | azeem | krew: if you don't have a Debian support request, please either keep quiet or leave |
| 15:30.41 | krew | azeem sux my dick |
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| 15:31.02 | dutchfish | ty Sir |
| 15:31.20 | SunnyPxssy | ty |
| 15:32.46 | jelly-home | metaperl: use something like netstat -tpan to see if there's an existing process listening on the same port that apache wants to use |
| 15:32.48 | ix | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3211937 |
| 15:32.51 | ix | errm |
| 15:32.57 | ix | sorry, hit the paste button |
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| 15:35.34 | metaperl | jelly: no, there is not something else listening there... |
| 15:35.37 | metaperl | per netstat |
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| 15:37.00 | jelly-home | metaperl: ISTR configuring apache to listen to the same port twice has that effect as well |
| 15:37.04 | zophy | dosemu segfaults |
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| 15:37.28 | kkdsk | hi , can debian squeeze compile and use older nvidia drivers? like from 2005 ? i have an nvidia 6200 turbo cache and with the latest drivers from nvidia (wich do compile and work ok) i get lousy performance in opengl so i was thinking to try older drivers , i tried to build these older drivers 1.0-7167 but they fail to build |
| 15:37.42 | metaperl | jelly: what is "ISTR" |
| 15:37.51 | jelly-home | metaperl: I seem to remember |
| 15:38.03 | metaperl | ah |
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| 15:41.55 | module000 | kkdsk: yes, just look at the "why" they failed to build and correct that...probably wanted a lib you don't have installed |
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| 15:43.25 | Alver | Could someone confirm that chromium-bsu (the game - not related to the google browser) is broken in sid? |
| 15:43.47 | alexmlw | how to install russian keyboard? |
| 15:44.17 | do0ob | cahoot: i keep getting: No keys have been configured - skip key clearing |
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| 15:45.01 | metaperl | jelly: there are two listen directives in ports.conf - http://pastie.org/659547 .. and they both point to port 80 |
| 15:45.24 | kkdsk | module000, i see someone is using a patch in order to build 100.14.11 nvidia driver (from 2007) because he say something changed in newer kernels that prevent build. maybe same thing for even older drivers (from 2005) i dunno |
| 15:45.33 | jelly-home | metaperl: right, get rid of one |
| 15:47.16 | metaperl | jelly: MANY THANKS!!! I will put up a blog post about this so that googlers can find a solution |
| 15:47.20 | metaperl | it works |
| 15:48.06 | abrotman | Alver: did you check the BTS? |
| 15:50.54 | Alver | abrotman: yes, can't find any related |
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| 15:51.03 | jimcooncat | What can I do for Dad's Compaq? 64 MB Ram, and we're both out of cash for more |
| 15:51.16 | Alver | Well actually, there are no bug reports for it at all |
| 15:51.25 | jimcooncat | It does run Damn Small Linux, but I was hoping for something more user friendly |
| 15:51.55 | Alver | 64MB? gee |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | jimcooncat: you can run Debian .. you just hav to choose your interfaces carefully |
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| 15:52.21 | Alver | You should be able to find machines two magnitudes better than that in a dumpster |
| 15:52.50 | abrotman | Alver: what about it is broken ? |
| 15:53.02 | Alver | abrotman: the graphics never appear |
| 15:53.07 | jimcooncat | Alver: I agree, but in Maine the dumpsters are slim pickings |
| 15:53.24 | Alver | Sound plays, but nothing inside the window; and it has to be killed to exit (window button doesn't work) |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | jimcooncat: lies! you just need to head to the big city of uhh .. Augusta :) |
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| 15:53.53 | jimcooncat | abrotman: yeah, I work in Disgusta. lol |
| 15:54.22 | abrotman | jimcooncat: maybe Skowhegan ? :) |
| 15:54.32 | Alver | Heh, and thinking I have an AMD 2100+ with 2GB ram in the closet, waiting for either recycling or dumpster |
| 15:54.38 | jimcooncat | abrotman: mmm, you're getting too close for comfort |
| 15:54.55 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i meant the big city of skowhegan :) |
| 15:55.28 | jimcooncat | I got more RAM at work, maybe something will fit, but this damn thing is a Compaq |
| 15:56.18 | jimcooncat | Anyway, I might try to install XFCE, only thing is I need to connect to the cable modem via USB |
| 15:56.19 | abrotman | jimcooncat: you could find a WM to work, the problem would be finding a browser that actually works and doesn't suck all your RAM |
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| 15:56.39 | abrotman | jimcooncat: i'd choose something lighter, maybe lxde or icewm |
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| 15:57.15 | jimcooncat | abrotman: good, I'll try icewm, and it won't look so different to him |
| 15:57.25 | abrotman | if you theme it right |
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| 15:57.52 | abrotman | Alver: what is your video card? possibly related ? |
| 15:58.06 | jimcooncat | abrotman: it won't matter much if he can run a browser and pidgin |
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| 15:58.39 | lee_ | so having trouble getting mod_rewrite to function properly .. but need to learn what apache is running as, as well as what group is belongs to .. where do you find that in a fresh Debian install? |
| 15:58.41 | Alver | abrotman: it used to work until my last update (sid). i915. |
| 15:58.42 | jimcooncat | thanks guys |
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| 16:00.04 | abrotman | Alver: works totally fine here on intel stuff |
| 16:00.16 | Alver | The cause must be outside of the game itself since it hasn't gotten an update in ages |
| 16:00.20 | Alver | abrotman: hmmm. |
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| 16:00.59 | abrotman | Alver: tried strace ? |
| 16:01.11 | czytacz | hey, i've got a question. Has anybody tried using ntfs parition as /home? |
| 16:01.27 | Alver | abrotman: not yet. Going to check now. |
| 16:01.36 | Alver | czytacz: ew. No. :) |
| 16:02.30 | czytacz | Alver: I don't understand :) |
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| 16:02.37 | Alver | abrotman: I'm not used to reading strace output. Anything I should be looking for? |
| 16:03.02 | abrotman | does it just stop somewhere? get stuck in a loop? |
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| 16:03.42 | Alver | it just stops |
| 16:03.49 | Alver | ioctl(5, 0x400c645f, 0xbfb643c0) = 0 |
| 16:03.53 | Alver | After that, nothing |
| 16:04.18 | abrotman | look in the 20 lines above it perahps .. or put it in a pastebin |
| 16:04.20 | Alver | I notice that while it is running, window decorations of other apps start to show artifacts |
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| 16:04.46 | czytacz | sth kicked me out |
| 16:05.22 | Alver | abrotman: http://nopaste.org/p/aPINpdOK6 |
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| 16:05.36 | Alver | This is just a part of it |
| 16:05.48 | jelly-home | czytacz: there is no free Linux fsck for ntfs, which makes it somewhat sucky to keep /home on |
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| 16:06.14 | abrotman | besides the difference in permission schemes ? |
| 16:06.31 | jelly-home | czytacz: however ntfs-3g have used it as root filesystem, so it "should work" |
| 16:07.06 | Alver | abrotman: it requires a kill -9 by the way - plain kill does not work |
| 16:07.07 | do0ob | cahoot: are you using network manager? it looks like its network manager which is causing my issues |
| 16:07.12 | Alver | So it's definitely stuck somewhere |
| 16:07.20 | cahoot | do0ob: wicd |
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| 16:07.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: if anything, ntfs has _more_ features permission-wise than a posix fs |
| 16:07.29 | do0ob | ah |
| 16:07.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: i didn't say what the difference was .. just that it was different :) |
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| 16:08.23 | abrotman | Alver: do you have any ~/.chromium* directories ? |
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| 16:08.38 | czytacz | jelly-home: that's too bad. I thought I could set my notebook to have access to all my files and projects under both Debian and Win7. A partition visible and managable from both OS's |
| 16:08.39 | Alver | abrotman: no |
| 16:08.49 | jelly-home | czytacz: vfat. |
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| 16:09.05 | panfist | lsmod |
| 16:09.10 | panfist | woops wrong terminal |
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| 16:11.22 | freenose | czytacz: create a separate partition for that |
| 16:11.54 | abrotman | Alver: i have the same version here .. works fine, and the same intel driver version |
| 16:12.36 | Alver | Mhmm |
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| 16:13.19 | czytacz | freenose: I do that, but still it's not the same as having /home... I have to configure every app manualy to keep important files elsewhere than /home. |
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| 16:13.36 | Alver | abrotman: does glxinfo | grep Intel also give you OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
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| 16:14.02 | abrotman | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 852GM/855GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 16:14.05 | abrotman | close enough i suppose |
| 16:14.08 | czytacz | freenose: for example, VirtualBox - I'd like to be able to run VMs uder both hosts, but config files are kept in /home |
| 16:14.14 | Alver | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.33 | Alver | abrotman: using i915 module or i8xx? |
| 16:14.44 | abrotman | i don't think the i8xx exists anymore |
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| 16:15.32 | Alver | lsmod | grep ^drm ? :) |
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| 16:15.41 | zamba | i want to list all files in a directory tree based on time.. how? |
| 16:15.57 | abrotman | i915 |
| 16:16.06 | Alver | Crap... what on earth is causing this |
| 16:16.20 | abrotman | doesn't even like that game that much |
| 16:16.25 | Alver | Hehe. |
| 16:16.32 | Alver | I kind of do... pity it's broken here |
| 16:17.11 | abrotman | you could also try ltrace |
| 16:17.21 | Polarina | Is it possible to have wget fetch the same file from multiple mirrors (I can provide URLs)? |
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| 16:17.37 | phyrrus | http://csupport.co.cc |
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| 16:17.57 | abrotman | phyrrus: i warned you last night, no more spamming |
| 16:18.04 | Alver | abrotman: worth a shot. :) |
| 16:18.04 | abrotman | Alver: there is also #debian-games on OFTC |
| 16:18.12 | Alver | abrotman: ah? Great, thanks. |
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| 16:21.23 | Alver | abrotman: great! ltrace shows an apparent infinite loop, and debian-games is on it. Thanks a bunch. |
| 16:21.34 | abrotman | Alver: they are able to help? |
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| 16:22.20 | Alver | abrotman: won't be sure until it gets fixed eh. But there's activity, and there's someone who apparently knows about it |
| 16:22.31 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 16:23.28 | Alver | abrotman: pasted the output of ltrace to http://nopaste.org/p/aSnwKUmMd if you'd be interested |
| 16:24.29 | abrotman | doesn't look infinite to me .. but okay |
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| 16:25.32 | panfist | is there a linux raid irc channel by any chance? |
| 16:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | So for some reason at 1:00 in the morning, my server starts complaining about hardware errors on hdb - which doesn't exist. It effectively locks up the system. |
| 16:26.01 | cahoot | phantom pain |
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| 16:26.31 | panfist | related to a cron job maybe? |
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| 16:27.06 | jhutchins_lt | panfist: Sounds like a good guess to me. |
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| 16:27.18 | abrotman | panfist: you ask #kernel, ##linux or the channel for your distro |
| 16:27.23 | schmrz | Hello Everyone. One quick question: How do I setup an wireless AP with WPA ? ( using my internal wireless card - which is configured and working properly ) |
| 16:27.29 | schmrz | Thank you ;) |
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| 16:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | System is all sd, sda1 & sda2, sdb1. |
| 16:28.14 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: did it exist at any time after the last boot? |
| 16:28.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: does the system have a cd/dvd drive |
| 16:28.46 | panfist | thanks abrotman |
| 16:28.47 | cahoot | jhutchins: smartmontools? |
| 16:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Not unless the system's juggling hd's with sd's. One internal disk, one USB. |
| 16:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Hm, yeah. Lemme see... |
| 16:29.46 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Bingo, CD is hdb. |
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| 16:30.02 | jhutchins_lt | So what's kicking off at 1:00 that tries to read the empty drive? |
| 16:30.20 | shingouz | what is wrong? camorama tells me "unable to capture image" yet i have /dev/video0 in /dev with the correct permissions. on 2.6.26 the camera works but on 2.6.20-2-686 the camera is borked |
| 16:30.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: is it really empty? |
| 16:30.41 | jhutchins_lt | Says no medium found, I'll go down and check it in a bit. |
| 16:31.04 | shingouz | umm... 2.6.30-2-686 of course |
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| 16:32.45 | Scurz_ | hi |
| 16:32.57 | shingouz | fswebcam is able to capture a still off video0 but absolutely none of the webcam applications i have tried here since the new kernel give a live picture |
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| 16:33.21 | jhutchins_lt | Daily maint appears to run at 0600. |
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| 16:34.07 | Scurz_ | I'm trying to change preferences in pulseaudio preferences, but i can't because the options are gray-colored, why ? |
| 16:35.27 | jhutchins_lt | shingouz: Can you boot to the previous kernel and get an image? |
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| 16:36.23 | shingouz | jhutchins_lt: yes i can but that means i cannot use the latest aquisition, a cool little endoscope camera |
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| 16:36.51 | techouse | where do i change the number of gnome workspaces from 2 to 4? |
| 16:37.03 | cahoot | shingouz: using uvcvideo? |
| 16:37.36 | shingouz | cahoot: that works only on uvc? i have a gspca-camera here |
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| 16:39.12 | ralrar | Hi, I'm trying to install evince on Debian Sid, but apt-get tells me that package as broken (evince: Depends: evince-common (< 2.27) but 2.28.0-2 is to be installed). Any ideas? |
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| 16:41.55 | themill | ralrar: welcome to sid. I presume you're on i386 as not all packages have been built for i386 yet (only amd64) |
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| 16:42.35 | ralrar | themill: yeah, I'm on i386 |
| 16:42.48 | _do0ob_ | cahoot: thanks, wicd works |
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| 16:42.59 | themill | ralrar: packages.debian.org tells all, then. |
| 16:43.07 | cahoot | do0ob: noted |
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| 16:43.33 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:44.41 | ralrar | themill: so I guess I have to wait until evince is updated on i386 |
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| 16:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Any ideas why grub would fail to timeout? |
| 16:49.02 | saulus | mount -o remount,rw /var/lib/vservers; mount: block device /dev/mapper/lvm--raid-vservers is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:49.10 | saulus | how can I mount rw? |
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| 16:55.33 | themill | ralrar: yes |
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| 16:58.59 | DiegoMax | hi, how can i tell if im running a 64 or 32 bits version of debian ? |
| 16:59.47 | DiegoMax | uname -a gives me this: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 18:08:45 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:59.56 | DiegoMax | not sure if i should assume i686 as 32 ? |
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| 17:00.23 | hark | yes |
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| 17:00.31 | DiegoMax | thanks |
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| 17:00.54 | rascal999 | I'd like to rysnc on shutdown to remote server. What scripts are run on shutdown and how can the command to be run as root? |
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| 17:01.29 | Rienzilla | the command run on shutdown are linked in /etc/rc0.d (or /etc/rc6.d) |
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| 17:01.38 | lee_ | why, if a directory ownership is set to www-data.www-data using permissions of 540, can a member of www-data not access it via shell? |
| 17:01.41 | hounddog | is anyone here by any chance experienced in ispcp? |
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| 17:08.38 | bookmark | halo |
| 17:08.42 | bookmark | er... hello |
| 17:08.57 | do0ob | hi |
| 17:09.17 | bookmark | is there some way i can look at micross.ttf in linux? |
| 17:09.56 | abrotman | you mean a font viewer ? |
| 17:10.30 | bookmark | nevermind |
| 17:10.34 | bookmark | ill come back with the question |
| 17:10.35 | do0ob | bookmark: use it on some text in openoffice |
| 17:10.52 | Sia- | xkboptions in xorg.conf worked fine to set keyboard lauout switcher, but under squeeze worked no more. any another way can do keyboard layout switching for example with Alt+Shift ** but without GNOME or KDE tools, because i don't use this Desktop Environment. |
| 17:11.01 | Sia- | layout* |
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| 17:13.43 | bookmark | micross.ttf is actually exactly what i want, except the lowercase w is a little weird at some pt levels |
| 17:13.58 | bookmark | i just need to rip it to 2bit bitmaps or jpgs or whatever |
| 17:14.12 | bookmark | i don't even know if it is like beizers or? |
| 17:14.16 | bookmark | i think it is |
| 17:14.21 | jhutchins_lt | Sia-: I think there are native X tools to do keyboard layout switching, but I'd have to do a bunch of googling to find them. |
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| 17:14.32 | bookmark | i only need pts up to like 16 anyway |
| 17:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | bookmark: Why not use it as a truetype font? |
| 17:14.43 | bookmark | 9 to 16 |
| 17:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | bookmark: Lots of font format conversion and editing tools out there. |
| 17:14.55 | bookmark | i want portable code |
| 17:15.01 | bookmark | quickly portable |
| 17:15.32 | bookmark | jpgs, i meant pngs |
| 17:15.40 | bookmark | of course not going to use jpgs haha |
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| 17:16.00 | Sia- | jhutchins, yes under xfce , but i dont use this desktop, to yet i didn't dounde somthing about that under squeeze!! |
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| 17:27.58 | Enverex | Can anyone recommend a good sound recorder other than Audacity? |
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| 17:29.00 | cahoot | Enverex: ecasound |
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| 17:34.38 | nexxen | clear |
| 17:35.06 | EasyTUX | After One our stuck on "choose and install packages" in debian install I can retry from beginning neh ? |
| 17:36.04 | Enverex | Ok let me rephrase, any sound recorders other than Audacity |
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| 17:36.19 | Enverex | that use a GUI |
| 17:36.36 | EasyTUX | O^O even on kvm embed-partitionned guest install... |
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| 17:37.12 | EasyTUX | Please wait... so long ! |
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| 17:39.24 | trouble_ | hello, is anyone into webdav? what's the difference between an xml element and a property, are they the same, or how do they relate to eachother? |
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| 17:42.21 | distatica | I run an OpenVZ container with a barebones version of Debian 5.0 for containers. One of my containers is a simple dnsmasq server, with hosts file setup to reflect my lan computers. This setup works fine, except for some reason on reboot something is clobbering my hosts file. What might be doing this? |
| 17:42.47 | distatica | in the file it says: "Auto-generated hostname. Pleaes do not remove this comment" |
| 17:43.01 | zinx | o_O |
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| 17:43.20 | zinx | distatica: you sure that's a debian program doing that? |
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| 17:44.26 | distatica | zinx: not sure, I did a debian install via debootstrap to create a custom virtual environment template, so it's a barebones system, save for dnsmasq. And it does seem to be common across all the debian VE's. I don't have another VE template to try with or I would see if CentOS behaved the same. |
| 17:44.37 | distatica | zinx: I suppose it's *possible* that openvz is doing it. |
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| 17:45.25 | distatica | zinx: oh, that is it. http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=27687& |
| 17:46.29 | distatica | and putting it before the auto generated line does in fact solve the problem. |
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| 17:52.24 | sway | seriously? |
| 17:52.24 | sway | . |
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| 17:54.19 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 17:56.21 | [gnubie] | i have a tar.gz source file and i want to debianize it for my lenny box. i already executed the dh_make command. now, how can i add my custom ./configure options in the debian/rules file? |
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| 17:58.12 | leoncino240 | buona sera a tutti |
| 17:58.16 | [gnubie] | anyone? |
| 17:58.21 | jnewt | i keep having ssh issues with one server, in that putty won't connect sometimes, and when ssh from other linux server, i get an RSA host key differs from the the for the IP address '192.168.3.51'. what can cause the offending key issue, and is this connected to my putty problem? |
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| 17:58.52 | themill | [gnubie]: the new maintainer's guide has more information on this. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 17:59.24 | themill | [gnubie]: what's currently in your debian/rules, btw? |
| 17:59.30 | [gnubie] | themill: i've been there but i cannot find where to insert the configure options |
| 17:59.40 | [gnubie] | themill: let me paste it |
| 17:59.45 | themill | !paste |
| 17:59.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 18:01.14 | bookmark | that is the most insanity ever devised |
| 18:01.21 | bookmark | deficed? |
| 18:01.24 | mark__ | hi guys.. if I delete the /etc directory by accident, whats the best way to recover from that? I already got the files from /var/backups and copied configs over from a debian server with a simular setup |
| 18:01.41 | mark__ | I'm more worried about raid configs and fstab |
| 18:02.19 | bookmark | im in the wrong OS :D |
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| 18:03.43 | [gnubie] | themill: kindly check http://paste.debian.net/49433/ |
| 18:04.09 | g00se | It must be possible to touch using UTC-adjusted time, but i can't get the syntax right. Any suggestions? |
| 18:04.37 | [gnubie] | themill: lines 23 to 41 and 54 to 86 are my additions |
| 18:05.07 | themill | [gnubie]: are lines 55-86 actually indented by one tab? |
| 18:05.12 | [gnubie] | themill: i have a feeling that i'm not doing the right thing |
| 18:05.38 | [gnubie] | themill: 55-86 are not indented |
| 18:05.56 | themill | [gnubie]: they need to be for make to consider them |
| 18:06.51 | [gnubie] | themill: ok, i will add tabs then for lines 55-86 |
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| 18:07.28 | [gnubie] | themill: other than that, what else are missing? is it on the right position? |
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| 18:08.11 | EasyTUX | Got a very sharp question : |
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| 18:08.22 | DJleuca | Un saluto a tutta #debian |
| 18:08.45 | DJleuca | ha |
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| 18:10.48 | DJleuca | Buona chattata a tutti voi ! |
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| 18:11.05 | [gnubie] | themill: the debian/rules file was generated by the dh_make and i just added the lines i previously mentioned |
| 18:11.41 | EasyTUX | How much time do you wait basically for package install to begin after you choose standard "system only" on deb4.0r5 DVD install ?!... |
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| 18:14.00 | EasyTUX | Extended ? |
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| 18:16.39 | [gnubie] | anyone? |
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| 18:18.10 | _IdiotObama_ | EasyTUX depends on hdd and cdrom r/w speeds |
| 18:19.06 | _IdiotObama_ | eg if slowest of them runs at 1MB/s you can calculate it to the [package size]/1MB |
| 18:19.21 | EasyTUX | _IdiotObama_: hdd id ~40Mb/s CD I dunno but similar I suppose... |
| 18:19.52 | _IdiotObama_ | packagessize/40MB=seconds you hawe to wit minimum afaik |
| 18:20.21 | _IdiotObama_ | package size should in mB's in this case |
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| 18:21.23 | EasyTUX | _IdiotObama_: But I'm talking about previous the install begins really when it say "wait please" just after choosing softwares to install... |
| 18:21.36 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 18:22.00 | _IdiotObama_ | if error happens linux installs mah hang sometimes afaik :P |
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| 18:22.12 | _IdiotObama_ | may* |
| 18:22.18 | EasyTUX | s/choosing/having selected/ |
| 18:22.47 | EasyTUX | _IdiotObama_: Ok that's the weak point of Debian install I'm afraid... |
| 18:23.19 | EasyTUX | GO... |
| 18:23.24 | _IdiotObama_ | i think the best thing to do is installing minimum requred ones |
| 18:23.39 | EasyTUX | Done... eh eh... |
| 18:23.45 | _IdiotObama_ | and adding missing ones later after the kernel and minimum requirements completed |
| 18:23.57 | _IdiotObama_ | that worked for me on knoppix install :P |
| 18:24.12 | _IdiotObama_ | eg install kde/kernel/bootloader |
| 18:24.18 | _IdiotObama_ | and after completed |
| 18:24.23 | _IdiotObama_ | start install again |
| 18:24.33 | _IdiotObama_ | and use update to add others |
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| 18:24.41 | _IdiotObama_ | that way it does not hangs |
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| 18:25.22 | EasyTUX | Ok thanks otObama, can choose/select none maybe ?!... Last try after 1/2 hour wait after GO... :( |
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| 18:27.14 | EasyTUX | Though I'm on 2,3Ghz QEMU CPU... :(( |
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| 18:33.59 | EasyTUX | Nevermind, I've got a console, dpkg => should go through boot loader issue (though lilo neither grub is on target actually...). I should install "top" ? |
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| 18:37.58 | themill | [gnubie]: yeah, the rest should be fine |
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| 18:43.18 | EasyTUX | Oh, maybe with an iso image instead of DVD itself... |
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| 18:45.00 | NoCode | Is there anyway to run an app in the notification area? It's not running as a daemon, and going there. I'd like it to. |
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| 18:46.20 | EasyTUX | because dpkg is locked by debian-installerrr... |
| 18:46.42 | abrotman | NoCode: depends on the app i'd guess |
| 18:48.03 | sway | if i wanted to turn an old computer into a firewall, would it need two nic's? |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | is that a problem? |
| 18:48.47 | sway | is that for me? |
| 18:49.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:49.18 | sway | abrotman: thank you and yes it is a problem |
| 18:49.21 | _IdiotObama_ | EasyTUX iso images runs allways faster afaik . |
| 18:49.31 | _IdiotObama_ | atleast for standard hdds. |
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| 18:50.03 | abrotman | sway: i can't think of any way to get around having two NICs, can you? |
| 18:50.03 | EasyTUX | ugh... |
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| 18:50.20 | NoCode | abrotman, It's just a Adobe Air application. It won't allow me to set as daemon. |
| 18:50.31 | sway | abrotman: without throttling data transmission to a crawl? not really |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | NoCode: for gnome ? |
| 18:51.02 | NoCode | Yes |
| 18:51.06 | abrotman | alltray ? |
| 18:51.19 | NoCode | I'll check it out. Thanks |
| 18:51.21 | abrotman | NoCode: apt-cache search application tray .. or program tray |
| 18:51.34 | sway | i suppose i could use a usb-wifi thing as the second card |
| 18:52.13 | sepult | anyone's know when a default debian kernel's cpio.gz archive's rootfs is loaded ? |
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| 18:52.19 | sepult | before or after initrd ? |
| 18:52.22 | sepult | before not ? |
| 18:52.26 | sepult | and it has nothing todo with the initrd's rootfs itself not ? |
| 18:53.00 | sway | although, i don't know how that fits in with the whole transmission thing |
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| 18:55.31 | sway | or i could live through an ssh tunnel. |
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| 18:55.39 | sway | why do people have to do creepy things? |
| 18:56.49 | SolarisBoy | creeps away |
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| 18:57.32 | sway | so many interesting, beneficial puzzles to ponder, but creepy seems to be more popular for some reason |
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| 18:58.01 | sepult | i read up the chroot section 10.8 of debian-reference manual, but i can't get my kde started in the chroot, it starts but there is no VT allocated in the host, there is already a running kdm in the host, what could be the problem here ? |
| 18:58.35 | sepult | should it not reserve a VT automatically for it ? |
| 18:59.57 | sepult | ServerVT's is set to -7 |
| 19:00.01 | sepult | in kdmrc |
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| 19:00.06 | sepult | in both |
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| 19:08.24 | Wizard | hi :] |
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| 19:12.32 | MintUser | on acer aspire one don't work sound. help |
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| 19:15.05 | abrotman | MintUser: if you're using Mint, they have their own support channel |
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| 19:16.00 | Xuzz | Seda is a spammer. |
| 19:16.07 | Xuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.15 | Phasy13 | +1 |
| 19:16.17 | Phasy13 | :D |
| 19:16.19 | abrotman | Xuzz: please don't help him by repeating it |
| 19:16.22 | MintUser | no, on lenny |
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| 19:16.27 | Xuzz | Well, can he get banned? |
| 19:16.37 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:17.30 | Xuzz | Aaaanyway, what is the best way to write a frontend to apt/dpkg? |
| 19:17.52 | Xuzz | or, more accurately, is there documentation for libapt? |
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| 19:18.41 | hark | yes |
| 19:18.48 | Xuzz | Where? |
| 19:19.06 | hark | apt-cache search libapt doc |
| 19:19.28 | zleap | Xuzz, there is already synaptic and aptitude |
| 19:19.47 | Xuzz | zleap: This is not for main debian, but for a different OS using apt and dpkg. |
| 19:20.02 | Xuzz | Which also doesn't seem to have a libapt package. Heh. |
| 19:20.07 | abrotman | you probably should ask your distro if they have docs for their libapt .. they may have changed it |
| 19:21.08 | Xuzz | Well, basically, I'm down to the point where all i need is a fast parser for the cache files and I'm good...the rest I can do via popen() and apt-get/apt-cache. |
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| 19:22.28 | zleap | i agree with abrotman you should ask on the distro specific forums / channels |
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| 19:23.09 | markybob | Xuzz, popen? are you using pytyhon? |
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| 19:23.35 | Xuzz | markybob: nope, sorry not popen, I meant system() or something. |
| 19:23.44 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 19:23.45 | Xuzz | is *used* to python |
| 19:23.56 | markybob | Xuzz, then you should probably look at python-apt. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-apt |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | markybob: he's not using Debian |
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| 19:24.32 | Xuzz | markybob: thank you, I'll look at the source |
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| 19:25.05 | nsadmin | Xuzz: here's a hint... there might already be a parser if there is a program that reads the cache files |
| 19:25.23 | abrotman | he should go ask the channel for his distro |
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| 19:25.36 | Xuzz | leaves to do just that. |
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| 19:26.48 | markybob | anyone know if there's a large debian flag for sale anywhere? |
| 19:26.52 | zeier | I have a var, say $STRING, and want to delete the first 2 letters. How may this be done? ("abcdefg" -> "cdefg") |
| 19:27.04 | Wizard | in what language? |
| 19:27.24 | zeier | bash |
| 19:27.27 | Wizard | hmm |
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| 19:27.46 | Wizard | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html#AEN22098 |
| 19:28.06 | zeier | cool page, thank you Wizard |
| 19:28.10 | Wizard | :) |
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| 19:28.24 | nsadmin | zeier: the info page for bash is also quite useful |
| 19:28.29 | Wizard | you're welcome |
| 19:28.42 | nsadmin | (the man page is not as well maintained) |
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| 19:29.51 | zeier | I'll have a look at the info page if there are further questions |
| 19:29.53 | zeier | thank you both |
| 19:29.56 | hark | nsadmin: in debian? |
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| 19:30.23 | nsadmin | hark: by upstream |
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| 19:31.09 | Wizard | nah, i've apt-get updated and eclipse disapeared from repo o_O |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | judd: versions eclipse |
| 19:31.34 | judd | abrotman: eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4 lenny: 3.2.2-6.1 sid: 3.4.1-1 |
| 19:31.41 | hark | nsadmin: ok, as there's no info page for bash in debian iirc |
| 19:31.56 | nsadmin | it's in the original source |
| 19:32.09 | Wizard | abrotman: i have testing |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | Wizard: seems gone .. i'd guess it will return in 2-10 days? |
| 19:32.26 | abrotman | dpkg: why is eclipse not in testing |
| 19:32.27 | dpkg | eclipse is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=eclipse |
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| 19:33.40 | nsadmin | whether it's in debian or not, it's better than the man page for at least 2 reasons, one, it's maintained more often and two, it's navigatable |
| 19:33.48 | Wizard | "eclipse is not yet built on powerpc" |
| 19:33.53 | Wizard | :) |
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| 19:34.13 | Wizard | ok, so no java coding tonight |
| 19:34.14 | Wizard | :> |
| 19:34.33 | abrotman | you need eclipse to code java ? |
| 19:34.39 | jelly-home | absolutely. |
| 19:34.48 | abrotman | you should probably find another way around it .. i can't imagine that eclipse will get into testing any time soon |
| 19:35.12 | jelly-home | so, no java coding for a few months... is that bada |
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| 19:35.22 | jelly-home | s/a$/?/ |
| 19:35.31 | nsadmin | or install it directly/generically |
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| 19:35.49 | sway | python \n a = 'string i want to cut 8 letters from 8letters' \n b = list(a) \n c = [ ] \n c.append(a[0:(len(a) - 8)]) |
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| 19:37.06 | nsadmin | wouldn't c = a[0:(len(a) - 8)] work? |
| 19:38.13 | sway | nsadmin: yes |
| 19:38.38 | Wizard | :/ |
| 19:38.47 | jelly-home | sed s/........$// |
| 19:38.49 | majhool | c = a[0:-8]? |
| 19:38.49 | Wizard | why it won't be in testing? :( |
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| 19:39.02 | sway | yes! |
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| 19:41.30 | abrotman | Wizard: why won't what be in testing? |
| 19:41.51 | Wizard | 21:34 < abrotman> you should probably find another way around it .. i can't imagine that eclipse will get into testing any time soon |
| 19:42.14 | phyrrus | hey im back! |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | because it's not built, and probably has tons of bugs |
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| 19:43.04 | sepult | how does one enable more than one X running ? |
| 19:43.10 | sepult | globally ? |
| 19:43.43 | sepult | i can start kdm from the chroot, but only when the kdm from the host ist shut down |
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| 19:43.53 | sepult | server socket issue |
| 19:43.55 | sepult | anyone ? |
| 19:44.11 | sepult | is there a quick workaround for that ? |
| 19:44.26 | sway | can you ssh into a chroot? |
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| 19:44.47 | sepult | who ? |
| 19:44.49 | sepult | me ? |
| 19:44.59 | sway | sure. why not? |
| 19:45.05 | ZeZu | can i add squeeze repos. to apt sources.list and use a switch to use those instead of current ? |
| 19:45.07 | jelly-home | sepult: startx -- :1 ? |
| 19:45.10 | Wizard | abrotman: so i have to deal with it by myself? :/ |
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| 19:45.20 | EasyTUX | _IdiotObama_: Humm, killed aptitude then installed grub, reboot OK... |
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| 19:45.23 | sepult | jelly-home; that's not ideal |
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| 19:45.30 | abrotman | Wizard: only if you think you need eclipse to write java code |
| 19:45.40 | sepult | jelly-home; oh wait |
| 19:45.43 | jelly-home | sepult: you did ask for a quick workaround |
| 19:45.44 | Wizard | i don't need, it's just very helpful.. |
| 19:45.48 | ZeZu | use netbeans |
| 19:45.55 | ZeZu | its a lot better than eclipse imo |
| 19:45.58 | abrotman | Wizard: netbeans is in testing currently |
| 19:46.03 | Wizard | that's what i'm gonna do |
| 19:46.07 | EasyTUX | _IdiotObama_: I saw a prompt Y/N on tty4... = stucking thing... |
| 19:46.09 | sepult | jelly-home: yes but where would i set that ? |
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| 19:46.22 | ZeZu | testing is it? its in lenny repos. |
| 19:46.27 | sepult | jelly-home: since the server-start arguments of kdm just say nowait tcp |
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| 19:47.04 | jelly-home | sepult: oh, I wasn't addressing the kdm config issue, just\ "more than one X session" |
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| 19:47.18 | sepult | jell-home:see that's what i meant |
| 19:47.38 | sepult | jelly-home: nah, ok i have to try just several things then |
| 19:47.59 | sway | sepult: is your handle an anagram for tuples? |
| 19:48.10 | EasyTUX | _IdiotObama_: Time for completing install from copied iso it'll be faster... |
| 19:48.29 | ZeZu | seems pinning will do what i want |
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| 19:52.41 | do0ob | does debian have a cool little program that prints info about the sytem with a bit of ascii art in the terminal? http://omploader.org/vMmtqcA |
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| 19:52.51 | sway | trehe was a sdtuy at crdmiabge wcihh cdculneod the hmuan mnid can cemprneohd glerbad wdros as lnog as the frist and lsat ltteres wree cnstaont |
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| 19:55.36 | g0bl1n | which is the most generic way to open an url in a browser, via the command line ? (distro wide) |
| 19:55.39 | abrotman | sway: not funny |
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| 19:55.58 | sway | abrotman: pardon, sir |
| 19:56.26 | themill | g0bl1n: sensible-browser "$URL" |
| 19:56.32 | do0ob | maybe this? /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser google.com |
| 19:56.54 | hark | g0bl1n: xdg-open |
| 19:57.03 | EasyTUX | is installing gnome... At least ! |
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| 19:57.54 | Wizard | EasyTUX: :) |
| 19:57.54 | Wizard | why at least? |
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| 19:58.02 | g0bl1n | sensible-browser is andy distro or gui specific ? |
| 19:58.03 | g0bl1n | * any |
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| 19:59.11 | EasyTUX | In 7mn should be OK... Wizard: I had some Pbs in non-graphical debian-installer stucking... Bypassed them by a kill of aptitude then grub install then reboot, then aptitude and gnome AT LEAST... |
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| 19:59.24 | g0bl1n | do those solutions work for text browsers ? |
| 19:59.31 | themill | g0bl1n: man sensible-browser |
| 19:59.43 | g0bl1n | themill: I'm on a mac right now :( |
| 19:59.47 | g0bl1n | but tx ;) |
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| 20:00.15 | nsadmin | g0bl1n: is the debian machine you have sshable? |
| 20:00.31 | g0bl1n | no |
| 20:00.36 | g0bl1n | why ? |
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| 20:00.53 | g0bl1n | nsadmin: could or could not be |
| 20:00.57 | themill | g0bl1n: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sensible-browser&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+5.0+lenny&format=html&locale=en |
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| 20:01.20 | g0bl1n | themill: ha :) dumb me :) thanks |
| 20:01.28 | nsadmin | why did they misspell section? |
| 20:02.04 | EasyTUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.55 | rww | nsadmin: probably because the person who made it is German |
| 20:02.55 | nsadmin | g0bl1n: do you have a debian machine at all? |
| 20:03.07 | g0bl1n | nsadmin: 2 |
| 20:03.09 | sepult | aaaaaaaallriiiightttttt |
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| 20:03.14 | sepult | it's both up |
| 20:03.30 | nsadmin | all one of it? |
| 20:03.30 | lunk | hello, what package has the tc command? |
| 20:03.43 | sepult | oh man |
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| 20:04.07 | rww | lunk: iproute |
| 20:04.32 | sepult | static_server:0 on host and :1 on guest and server_vt's:-7,-8 on both |
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| 20:04.34 | sint | hey, is there a way to create an ssh connect backwards into the system? |
| 20:04.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:05.12 | lunk | rww: ah, thank you |
| 20:05.13 | g0bl1n | nsadmin: why ? |
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| 20:05.21 | sint | abrotman: how? |
| 20:05.26 | EasyTUX | done was that 7 mn really ? eheh... |
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| 20:06.01 | abrotman | sint: google 'ssh reverse proxy' is what you're asking about i beileve |
| 20:06.44 | sint | abrotman: ya, i was typing to fast and missed to word "tunnel" :D |
| 20:06.44 | sint | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:12.00 | sint | abrotman: wow, ssh is awesome |
| 20:12.03 | sint | :D |
| 20:12.29 | bqscott | use of SSH impresses girls |
| 20:13.36 | bqscott | is there anything wrong with using a 2.6.18 kernel with Lenny? |
| 20:13.51 | bqscott | would using 2.6.18 on Lenny be less stable than using it on Etch for any reason? |
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| 20:14.18 | dondelelcaro | bqscott: there's soon to be no security support. You should be using the kernel that ships with lenny. |
| 20:14.40 | bqscott | well I'm installing Xen on some servers with the official Xen kernel, which is currently still 2.6.18 |
| 20:15.16 | bqscott | so I have to use 2.6.18, but I'm not sure whether I should install Etch or Lenny as the userland |
| 20:15.31 | abrotman | the lenny kernels don't have separate kernels for Xen i don't thnk |
| 20:15.31 | dondelelcaro | bqscott: you can use the xen kernel that released with lenny |
| 20:15.32 | bqscott | security is not a concern, since it's just a dom0 that only I will have access to |
| 20:15.41 | EasyTUX | no, 2.6.18 is for trash... |
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| 20:16.13 | bqscott | dondelelcaro: I'd rather use the official Xen.org stuff, which uses 2.6.18 |
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| 20:17.13 | EasyTUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.50 | EasyTUX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.56 | bqscott | those aren't from Xen |
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| 20:18.19 | dondelelcaro | bqscott: your call. I personally am not using the official Xen stuff on my machines because of these reasons... |
| 20:18.43 | bqscott | what's wrong with 2.6.18? |
| 20:19.08 | EasyTUX | bqscott: Install Xen from sources on whatever kernel you'll choose... |
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| 20:19.26 | EasyTUX | s/kernel/kernel sources/ |
| 20:19.26 | bqscott | I have installed Xen from source |
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| 20:19.42 | bqscott | I'm not using the Debian packages |
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| 20:19.58 | bqscott | I compiled the Xen hypervisor, tools, and kernel from source, and the kernel they use is 2.6.18 |
| 20:20.12 | EasyTUX | NO |
| 20:20.15 | bqscott | I came here to ask if it's safe to use Lenny, or should I use Etch |
| 20:20.32 | bqscott | no? |
| 20:20.39 | abrotman | bqscott: etch only has security support for about six more months |
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| 20:20.49 | bqscott | that's fine, I'm not concerned about sercurity |
| 20:20.58 | bqscott | it will be firewalled off, and I'm the only one with access |
| 20:20.59 | EasyTUX | the kernel they use is 2.6.18 : NO |
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| 20:21.09 | bqscott | EasyTUX: yes, the official Xen.org kernel is in fact 2.6.18 |
| 20:21.18 | EasyTUX | the kernel they use is 2.6.<whatever> |
| 20:21.22 | bqscott | they use 2.6.18 |
| 20:21.25 | themill | EasyTUX: you're not helping... |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | EasyTUX: what's wrong with that ? they're currently supported by the Debian security team |
| 20:21.41 | bqscott | http://www.xen.org/products/xen_source.html |
| 20:21.58 | bqscott | Debian uses a newer kernel with Xen patches applied |
| 20:22.00 | Wizard | holy crap :D |
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| 20:22.11 | abrotman | bqscott: if you feel comfortable with the lack of security six months from now, you can use etch |
| 20:22.33 | dondelelcaro | bqscott: the main reason is just security, and the fact that you have to track it separately if you're not using the Debian packages. I'm too lazy to do that. |
| 20:22.40 | Wizard | 1,5GHz ppc and netbeans haven't started.. 4 minutes |
| 20:23.00 | bqscott | I would be fine with Lenny if it will be stable with a 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 20:23.24 | bqscott | my real question is if I can use Lenny in stable manner with the old kernel, or if I'm better off using Etch |
| 20:23.36 | dondelelcaro | bqscott: it should be ok; you won't be able to use releases after lenny, though. |
| 20:24.04 | bqscott | that's what I figured |
| 20:24.10 | bqscott | thanks guys |
| 20:24.26 | dondelelcaro | np; best of luck |
| 20:24.38 | dondelelcaro | (the main issue with releases going forward is udev, btw) |
| 20:25.08 | bqscott | I did know that each release is supposed to work on the kernel of the older release, but I didn't know if it was wise to actually do it |
| 20:25.17 | bqscott | being able to boot and do some stuff is one thing, but running in production is another |
| 20:25.37 | EasyTUX | bqscott: The kernel they "provide" with their "xen source into it" is 2.6.18..., where did you see some limitation with kernel versions for Xen3.4.1 guy ? |
| 20:26.07 | bqscott | EasyTUX: people can and do patch other kernel versions to work with Xen |
| 20:26.18 | EasyTUX | Right |
| 20:26.39 | EasyTUX | bqscott: I agree with you man ! |
| 20:26.40 | bqscott | but I'm not using Debian's Xen, or Redhat's Xen, or Suse's Xen |
| 20:26.42 | bqscott | I'm using Xen.org |
| 20:27.02 | EasyTUX | ah ah, I see your point , np. |
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| 20:43.29 | aaronorosen1 | Hello does anyone know why when i try to mount an ext4 drive i'm getting the following error message? mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 20:43.58 | _IdiotObama_ | the kernel do not hawe ext4 drivers :P |
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| 20:44.15 | aaronorosen1 | Hello does anyone know why when i try to mount an ext4 drive i'm getting the following error message? mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 20:44.18 | _IdiotObama_ | ormodules . |
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| 20:44.35 | _IdiotObama_ | no. |
| 20:44.40 | _IdiotObama_ | not actually :P |
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| 20:44.50 | aaronorosen1 | Hello does anyone know why when i try to mount an ext4 drive i'm getting the following error message? mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' (sorry idk if my last post worked) |
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| 20:46.13 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: you are getting that error because your kernel does not support ext4 |
| 20:46.27 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: i have the command mkfs.ext4 though? |
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| 20:46.53 | nsadmin | that's not the kernel driver tho |
| 20:47.02 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: yes, maybe, thats just a program though |
| 20:47.38 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: i guess you are running something newer than lenny with a lenny kernel |
| 20:47.43 | nsadmin | you need the kernel driver to run that program too |
| 20:48.12 | aaronorosen1 | nsadmin: any idea what that it sorry? I ran modprobe ext4 and i don't hvae that so i guess you guys are write i'm def missing the module. |
| 20:48.25 | ttl- | i have a strange problem with genisoimage or wodim, after burning the cd is unmountable... the log says: Unhandled sense code, Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE and Sense Key : Medium Error [current] |
| 20:48.26 | aaronorosen1 | what that is* |
| 20:48.26 | valdyn | nsadmin: nah |
| 20:48.37 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: what what is? |
| 20:48.44 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: what do i need to install ? |
| 20:48.54 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: a newer debian kernel |
| 20:48.55 | ttl- | i don't know if genisoimage or wodim is the culprit |
| 20:48.55 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: how do i get the kernel module ? |
| 20:49.10 | nsadmin | a newer kernel that contains the drivers you need |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: by installing a newer debian kernel |
| 20:49.27 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: is this not the newest one? Linux awesome 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:49.35 | ttl- | i can mount the resulting iso file as a loop device with no problem so i suspect wodim |
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| 20:49.56 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: thats the latest kernel from a debian/stable release |
| 20:50.01 | nsadmin | note that the kernel supports all (or most) of your hardware, so be sure the new kernel supports your hardware too |
| 20:50.06 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: but mkfs.ext4 is not from debian stable |
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| 20:50.21 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: you need a kernel >= 2.6.28 |
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| 20:50.49 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: How do i get that? |
| 20:50.57 | ttl- | i'm running Debian testing |
| 20:51.01 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: can i let apt-get do it for me? |
| 20:51.06 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: sure |
| 20:51.14 | SunnyPxssy | aaronoroseni: how did u mount it? |
| 20:51.22 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: see what you get listed on "apt-cache search linux-image" |
| 20:51.33 | aaronorosen1 | SunnyPxssy: I don't have the ext4 module so i think thats the problem |
| 20:51.46 | SunnyPxssy | aaronoroseni: i mean what was the command? |
| 20:51.51 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: will that fix my grub/menu.list for me? |
| 20:51.57 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: yes |
| 20:52.01 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: err |
| 20:52.03 | aaronorosen1 | SunnyPxssy: mount -t ext4 /dev/md0 /mnt |
| 20:52.07 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: thats a command to search packages |
| 20:52.14 | aaronorosen1 | valdyn: yea i understand |
| 20:52.26 | valdyn | aaronorosen1: installing the kernel would take care of the boot entries too |
| 20:52.42 | SunnyPxssy | aaronoroseni: mount -t ext4dev -o ro /dev/XXX /mnt/ZZZ |
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| 21:02.59 | do0ob | which key is the "angle bracket" on the keyboard? |
| 21:03.20 | quakerrrr | > |
| 21:03.20 | quakerrrr | (Greater than) |
| 21:03.27 | quakerrrr | IMHO |
| 21:03.29 | do0ob | oh |
| 21:04.08 | do0ob | how do i switch buffers in nano, i'm supposed to use the angle brackets but i can't get it to work |
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| 21:04.43 | valdyn | do0ob: ^> ? |
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| 21:05.02 | nsadmin | do0ob: nano is so tiny you could start several instances, one per file and ctrl-z them |
| 21:05.13 | quakerrrr | :-) I do not use nano.. Vim is better (+maybe joe) |
| 21:05.33 | nsadmin | who cares what's better, it's what he's using |
| 21:05.51 | do0ob | valdyn: but that just prints the character, i'm trying to figure out the shortcut |
| 21:05.56 | nsadmin | if he doesn't know vim well it's going to take time to learn |
| 21:06.06 | valdyn | do0ob: ctrl-> |
| 21:06.38 | do0ob | it still just prints the brackets |
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| 21:07.14 | valdyn | do0ob: its Esc-> |
| 21:07.15 | do0ob | the help page lists this: M-< (M-,) Switch to the previous file buffer |
| 21:07.30 | do0ob | why did i even try that |
| 21:07.40 | do0ob | valdyn: thats obviously not going to work |
| 21:07.41 | nsadmin | ALT < |
| 21:07.50 | valdyn | do0ob: why not? i just tried |
| 21:07.56 | nsadmin | I just did it |
| 21:07.59 | do0ob | nsadmin: still just printing strange characters on the screen |
| 21:08.31 | do0ob | nsadmin: what does the output of xmodmap look like for you? |
| 21:08.31 | valdyn | do0ob: except that that command would switch to existing buffers but not create new ones |
| 21:08.42 | valdyn | do0ob: M is Meta, Esc works |
| 21:08.45 | do0ob | valdyn: i already created a new one |
| 21:08.52 | nsadmin | then you're not holding down the ALT key and hitting . |
| 21:09.03 | valdyn | indeed Alt works too |
| 21:09.20 | do0ob | meta_l is listed as mod1 for me |
| 21:09.26 | do0ob | mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Meta_L (0xcd) |
| 21:09.58 | nsadmin | mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c) |
| 21:10.24 | do0ob | does it show alt_l in xev when you press alt? |
| 21:10.54 | nsadmin | d state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, |
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| 21:11.35 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 21:11.41 | marmiggr | hi someone here with a DELL WRLS 1515 802.11N atheros? i'm running debian lenny. help i'm new user ! :P |
| 21:11.42 | jamesbond-4711 | I could use some help :) |
| 21:11.42 | do0ob | when i try it with alt i see this: ¨¨¨ |
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| 21:12.08 | nsadmin | tell exactly what you're doing |
| 21:12.13 | marmiggr | i have everything ready... but i only need to install the wirelss |
| 21:12.33 | jamesbond-4711 | I'm planning to migrate the openSuse 10.3 to Debian Lenny on my little root server |
| 21:12.40 | do0ob | nsadmin: nano file1 file2, typing aasadsasd then using alt+. and alt+. |
| 21:12.47 | nsadmin | I hold down left alt, and press . (no shift) |
| 21:13.05 | do0ob | nsadmin: thats what i'm doing, no shift |
| 21:13.25 | do0ob | it just ends up being this: qweqweqwe®¬®¬®¬®¬®¬¬¬¬¬®®®®®®®®®®® |
| 21:13.29 | jamesbond-4711 | before I actually start doing this, I'm trying to set up a test server on my local machine (inside a VirtualBox vm) |
| 21:13.46 | nsadmin | weird |
| 21:13.53 | nsadmin | something else is going on |
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| 21:14.22 | do0ob | omg |
| 21:14.26 | do0ob | its xterm!!! |
| 21:14.34 | do0ob | it worked in konsole, but not in xterm :( |
| 21:14.44 | do0ob | but xterm is so much more convenient to use for quick stuff |
| 21:15.16 | nsadmin | jamesbond-4711 your little root server is how far from your hand? |
| 21:15.16 | jamesbond-4711 | when I use netstat to take a look at the daemons that are listening on various tcp ports, I get this output: |
| 21:15.17 | jamesbond-4711 | http://pastebin.ca/1627894 |
| 21:15.47 | nsadmin | do0ob: perhaps it's a config issue |
| 21:16.01 | jamesbond-4711 | what is the clean Debian way to get rid of lines 4, 5 and 7? |
| 21:16.22 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: thats not clean |
| 21:16.22 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: sorry, I don't understand your question (my English is far from perfect) |
| 21:16.32 | nsadmin | only knows the dirty debian way |
| 21:16.37 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: removing mail is not clean |
| 21:16.49 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: I don't need it |
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| 21:17.06 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: you dont need cron? |
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| 21:17.38 | marmiggr | someone here knows how i can see my wifi works? It's atheros on a dell ( DELL WRLS 1515 802.11N ) |
| 21:17.41 | nsadmin | you're going to break your system if you remove cron... your system will not be able to email notices if you stop mail |
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| 21:18.24 | Lumee | hi guys |
| 21:18.29 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: on top of that exim4 is only listening on localhost, so its obviously set up ok |
| 21:18.44 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: from a security point of view |
| 21:18.46 | ZeZu | i'm getting some errors on hdb, and an occasional error message about volume automount failing when there was no insert etc |
| 21:18.55 | ZeZu | not even sure what hdb is, doesn't show up in fdisk -l |
| 21:18.57 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: yes, that's right... |
| 21:19.07 | ZeZu | i'm guessing its dvd-rom drive |
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| 21:19.19 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: 7 is openssh-server, remove the package |
| 21:19.21 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: but I use to disable sending mail about cron jobs |
| 21:19.27 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: though i wouldnt do that either |
| 21:19.32 | remaxim | hi |
| 21:19.41 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: thats silly |
| 21:19.52 | nsadmin | jamesbond-4711: how much ram does that machine have? also, how far is it from you? |
| 21:19.54 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: line 7 is exim4 |
| 21:20.15 | remaxim | I have a question that is probably for the debian legal team: does debian allow CC sampling plus media to be in the main repository? |
| 21:20.19 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: i see, i didnt count from the top |
| 21:20.27 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: it has only 128 MB ram |
| 21:20.35 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: lines are numbered... (?) |
| 21:20.49 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: remove the portmap package |
| 21:20.57 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: I can only reach it over the internet |
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| 21:21.13 | nsadmin | you do not want to remove ssh |
| 21:21.20 | valdyn | he doesnt |
| 21:21.22 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: no, of course not! |
| 21:21.35 | jamesbond-4711 | that's my only way to access the server |
| 21:21.37 | nsadmin | so you need openssh-server |
| 21:22.03 | jamesbond-4711 | but I really do not know what this is: rpc.statd |
| 21:22.17 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: you need to read inetd.conf to determines what your 443 is |
| 21:22.36 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: thats part of nfs iirc |
| 21:22.40 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: I konw what 443 is - I have set it up myself :) |
| 21:22.45 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: removing portmap should take care of that |
| 21:23.01 | nsadmin | so you don't want nfs? |
| 21:23.11 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: no |
| 21:23.13 | nsadmin | or any other sun rpc? |
| 21:23.22 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: no |
| 21:23.58 | nsadmin | so portmapper can go |
| 21:24.26 | jamesbond-4711 | OK, I removed it (aptitude remove nfs-common portmap) |
| 21:24.50 | nsadmin | isn't 443 https? |
| 21:25.00 | valdyn | yes |
| 21:25.03 | jamesbond-4711 | nsadmin: normally, yes :) |
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| 21:25.55 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 21:25.55 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most UNIX(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
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| 21:27.04 | nsadmin | why are init scripts using email? they have no business doing that since they don't know if networking is established yet |
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| 21:27.25 | valdyn | nsadmin: irrelevant? |
| 21:27.38 | valdyn | nsadmin: mail would be queued |
| 21:28.09 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: so you think I should not kill or remove exim4? |
| 21:28.17 | nsadmin | which still means the init script depends on mail |
| 21:28.41 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: you should leave it on |
| 21:28.50 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: its not going to take away resources |
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| 21:29.09 | nsadmin | there might be something that takes less ram tho |
| 21:29.33 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: question is if you care enough about few mb of swap to switch to something lighter |
| 21:29.39 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: OK, as far as it only listens on the loopback interface that should do no harm |
| 21:29.43 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: ( if its even as large as few mb ) |
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| 21:30.18 | nsadmin | or if it leaks |
| 21:30.20 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: I do not care about a few mb in this case |
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| 21:31.36 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: but more generally asked: how do I disable a service/daemon/initscript without unsintalling it on Debian? |
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| 21:31.56 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: thats a question to which debian has no good answer |
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| 21:32.17 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: I don't really understand... (?) |
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| 21:32.32 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: official way is switching the rcX.d S* links to K* links |
| 21:32.53 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: you can use update-rc.d for that or some gui, i dont use any of those |
| 21:33.07 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: you mean manually renaming the symbolic links from the command line? |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: and my hack is just moving the init.d script to script.disabled |
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| 21:33.34 | patrikf | file-rc is handy if you want to do that for more than one init script |
| 21:33.42 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: not manually, update-rc.d can do it |
| 21:34.11 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: I doubt that... |
| 21:34.19 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: i just already told you WHAT to do with update-rc.d |
| 21:34.31 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: because its very easy to do this wrongly |
| 21:34.33 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: the manpage of update-rc.d says: "The script must have been deleted already. If |
| 21:34.36 | jamesbond-4711 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.20 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: im sure it can do this, but i dont use it so duh |
| 21:35.57 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: update-rc.d is what debian packages' scripts call to set up services |
| 21:36.32 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: OK, so the workaround would be to move the init script to some other directory |
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| 21:36.50 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: except that i dont move it to another directory but just rename it |
| 21:37.04 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: whatever you find easy to track... |
| 21:37.07 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: but: if an update is installed, that could lead to a re-activation, couldn't it? |
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| 21:37.20 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: no, init.d scripts are config files |
| 21:37.30 | vlt | jamesbond-4711: rcconf is worth a try too |
| 21:37.39 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: your changes are respected, new versions would end up as newscript.dpkg-dist |
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| 21:38.34 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: removing links instead of changing S to K would restore the links on package upgrades |
| 21:38.53 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: i guess rcconf is one of those guis that i dont use |
| 21:39.18 | jamesbond-4711 | vlt: I will take a look at the rcconf man page - thx |
| 21:39.40 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: update-rc.d is documented and made for debian package maintainers |
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| 21:39.52 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: which is why the manpage could teach a user the wrong things |
| 21:40.11 | valdyn | jamesbond-4711: you just dont just remove rcx.d links in debian |
| 21:40.23 | jamesbond-4711 | vlt: rcconf --help |
| 21:40.23 | jamesbond-4711 | -su: rcconf: command not found |
| 21:40.29 | valdyn | !installit |
| 21:40.29 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 21:40.58 | valdyn | !rcconf |
| 21:40.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
| 21:41.16 | valdyn | !services |
| 21:41.17 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 21:41.33 | paxcoder | valdyn: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 21:42.29 | paxcoder | you should know that by now. |
| 21:42.44 | valdyn | paxcoder: sure, if anything then !tell jamesbond-4711 -about foo |
| 21:42.53 | valdyn | paxcoder: but theres no traffic here atm |
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| 21:44.18 | paxcoder | valdyn: it's just ugly ;-) |
| 21:44.26 | jelly-home | no one cares! |
| 21:44.42 | jelly-home | leave the man do support ffs |
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| 21:45.10 | jamesbond-4711 | valdyn: thank you very much for your help! |
| 21:45.10 | paxcoder | jelly-home: fine. but remember what you said. |
| 21:45.30 | NahuelM | what is the advantage of installing each directory (say /usr /home /tmp,etc) on different partitions? It's hardly unlikely a partition will fail, most likely the entire HD will go. Futhermore, if you get the sizes wrong it will be hard to change (without lvm) |
| 21:46.59 | jelly-home | NahuelM: these days, very little. It depends on what the system will be used for. |
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| 21:47.29 | NahuelM | jelly-home: I have a home and a home-server system |
| 21:47.33 | paxcoder | NahuelM: If you re-install the system, you don't have to backup your data. |
| 21:47.49 | NahuelM | I keep reading in a lot of places that you *should* have different partittions |
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| 21:48.05 | jelly-home | NahuelM: there's some (little) security advantages to, say, keeping /home mounted nosuid, or /tmp noexec |
| 21:48.07 | NahuelM | paxcoder: so in that snese the only real advantage is /home on a different directory |
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| 21:48.59 | paxcoder | NahuelM: I'm not quite sure how it works for /usr (if you could spare yourself installing programs) |
| 21:49.03 | jelly-home | NahuelM: it's quite useful on multiuser systems where you don't necessarily trust your users. |
| 21:49.09 | paxcoder | but that's the only reason why I have two partitions. |
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| 21:50.48 | paxcoder | jelly-home: what's nosuid? |
| 21:51.01 | paxcoder | (man didn't help me understand) |
| 21:52.48 | NahuelM | so summing up, for a home system, the only real advantage is to keep your home directory on a different part, in case you wanna reinstall. And in a server there may be a few security advantages. I wonder why a lot of the info floating around online recommends you to have an array of partitions |
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| 21:53.11 | IchigoMorino | I have the Ralink driver installed for my wireless card, I also have wireless-tools and network-manager-kde installed. If I type ifconfig in console it shows a device for my wireless card (ra0), but if I open up knetworkmanager it doesn't show any access points. Is there anything else I have to do to get my card working? |
| 21:53.24 | valdyn | NahuelM: many howtos are written by people who have no idea about what they are doing |
| 21:53.46 | jelly-home | paxcoder: setuid binaries are often used in privilege exscalation scenarios |
| 21:53.57 | themill | IchigoMorino: quite possibly you need to /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
| 21:54.00 | sway | what does: Temporary failure in name resolution. mean? |
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| 21:55.31 | sway | i mean, i know it has something to do with dhcp or dns or both, but i don't understand how it's used in this program suite |
| 21:56.44 | vlt | jelly-home: I tried noexec on /tmp once (don't exactly know why) but that broke some apt-get upgrades :/ |
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| 21:57.02 | sway | ? |
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| 21:57.25 | jelly-home | vlt: indeed, it breaks dpkg |
| 21:57.34 | vlt | Which parts of /usr/ or /var/ or / can be mounted read-only? |
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| 21:58.03 | vlt | Or which parts could I share with other machines? |
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| 22:00.00 | valdyn | vlt: only /usr |
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| 22:00.07 | sway | can anyone write to /tmp? |
| 22:00.08 | ltech | Hello all, I am here to learn debian and bash scripting. Seems a job opprotunity has been presented to me. Currenly do not have a debian system running. So need a shell account if anyone knows of any free or low cost accounts please send my way. Do not want to install a third server running debian because of cost. If anyone here knows of a free or low cost shell account I can goto would appriciate it. |
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| 22:01.01 | valdyn | ltech: why dont you use a live cd ? |
| 22:01.03 | themill | !tmp noexec |
| 22:01.03 | dpkg | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 22:01.11 | jamesbond-4711 | ltech: free account: http://blinkenshell.org/wiki/Start |
| 22:02.24 | ltech | jamesbond-4711 seems it does not list bash scripting as a option? |
| 22:03.30 | jamesbond-4711 | ltech: I don't know what exactly you have in mind when you say "shell scripting"...? |
| 22:03.46 | sway | do write permissions allow for the creation of symbolic links outside of the written directory? |
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| 22:03.51 | ltech | just learn all the aspects of bash scripting. Its one of the job responsibilities. |
| 22:04.01 | jamesbond-4711 | ltech: imho the better choice would be to install VirtualBox and set up a debian installation inside a virtual machine |
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| 22:04.47 | ltech | james, what ever is the quickest method |
| 22:04.50 | marmiggr | nice work with debian...easy and fast...i didn't have any problem to install it |
| 22:04.53 | shingouz | three webcams, one on gspca-pac207, two on gspca-pac7311 only give a black screen, the test picture on cheese or a "unable to capture image" on camorama. fswebcam gives stills on one gspca-pac7311. are the modules buggy on 2.6.30-2-686? |
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| 22:06.47 | sway | i have problems installing debian. i have a rtl8187b chipset and only wifi. i've read the docs on how to include modules in a kernel, but the instructions seem |
| 22:06.51 | sway | well...confusing. |
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| 22:08.41 | sway | it would be nice if the unofficial debian repos had images for installing with added packages |
| 22:09.20 | ltech | irc.allshells.net does not resolve |
| 22:10.04 | ltech | jamesbond-4711 blinkenshell.org requires irc channel participation on this network and channel to get a shell account. |
| 22:10.58 | jamesbond-4711 | ltech: why don't you use webchat? |
| 22:12.17 | ltech | the address does not resolve |
| 22:12.51 | jamesbond-4711 | ltech: http://blinkenshell.org/cgiirc/ |
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| 22:15.32 | sway | breaking things is easy. making things, on the other hand, that's worth mentioning |
| 22:15.40 | ltech | james, thanks |
| 22:15.41 | ltech | im in |
| 22:15.54 | ltech | james, got a car with problem? Im a auto tech |
| 22:16.35 | jamesbond-4711 | ltech: are you serious?? |
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| 22:17.37 | ltech | yes, been one for year in the 90s and doing it again recently. Cars are just as complicated as operating system. I need to buy a 2 channel scope if I am to take on the tougher drivability issues or a 3,000$ scanner :) |
| 22:18.02 | EasyTUX | after interrupted aptitude install I cant install a single package anymore... I've got this message "file list file for package 'dirmngr' is missing final new line" ; how should I repair this ? |
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| 22:18.16 | ltech | Did a much older OBD1 diagnostic on a ranger. Map and TPS sensor failure. customer was happy. |
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| 22:18.57 | ltech | There are also open source ODBII scanners on the market. Eventually may want to give it a try. |
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| 22:19.55 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:19.56 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 22:20.23 | ltech | sure |
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| 22:21.31 | imimimimi | hi, if i 'cat /dev/ttyS0' (serial port) on one terminal and then 'echo hello > /dev/ttyS0' on another terminal on the same computer, will I see the data output from one terminal to another, or do i actually need there to be a physical serial connection? |
| 22:21.46 | techouse | i'm experiencing very ugly fonts in amarok in debian squeeze with gnome http://i34.tinypic.com/2dtyjhs.png |
| 22:21.55 | techouse | has anyone of you gotten the same? |
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| 22:22.10 | techouse | amarok 2.2 that is |
| 22:22.20 | valdyn | techouse: anti aliasing is switched off |
| 22:22.20 | techouse | from the squeeze repos |
| 22:22.35 | techouse | valdyn: anti alias is on in gnome |
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| 22:22.42 | valdyn | techouse: off in kde |
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| 22:22.49 | techouse | oh, and how to turn it on? |
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| 22:24.36 | valdyn | techouse: this is kde4? no idea then |
| 22:24.45 | techouse | yes |
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| 22:36.20 | bartex | can someone tells my why there is no gcc after instaling debian? |
| 22:36.23 | EasyTUX | after interrupted aptitude install I cant install a single package anymore... I've got this message "file list file for package 'dirmngr' is missing final new line" ; how should I GET RID OF THIS BIG SHIT LOCKING ALL INSTALLS ? |
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| 22:37.17 | EasyTUX | I've tried remove force-reinstlrqSHIT... |
| 22:37.23 | valdyn | EasyTUX: edit the file list |
| 22:37.27 | Meths | bartex: Because you haven't installed it yet? Look for the gcc or build-essential with your choice of package manager |
| 22:37.52 | valdyn | EasyTUX: ideally edit it so it fits the actually installed files |
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| 22:38.01 | EasyTUX | valdyn: Where is this LIST ? |
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| 22:38.20 | valdyn | !strace |
| 22:38.21 | dpkg | it has been said that strace is a system call tracing utility or a way to produce lots and lots of cryptic text. Most usefully called with something like "strace -f -F -e open -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" (-e open just monitors opened files - omit this option or consult the manpage for alternatives if you want to monitor anything else) |
| 22:38.31 | distatica | Is it fine to simply build a kernel for debian on another debian machine with different physical hardware? I have a 900MHz Intel Atom and a 1.6GHz CoreDuo in another machine, obviously I would like to compile on the latter. |
| 22:38.33 | EasyTUX | valdyn: eh ! |
| 22:38.56 | abrotman | distatica: should be okay |
| 22:38.59 | valdyn | EasyTUX: /var/lib/dpkg/info/dirmngr.list to save you from some reading |
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| 22:39.00 | bartex | Meths: yes, but thougt it will be included. gcc 4.4 looks fine for me |
| 22:39.03 | distatica | I imagine that would be possible, since kernel images are debs |
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| 22:39.40 | EasyTUX | valdyn: MAny thanks, oh btw I ain't got strace (SH..) installed... |
| 22:39.44 | Meths | bartex: Depends on the options you select during the installation, it's not part of the base/minimal debian system |
| 22:39.47 | EasyTUX | grr... |
| 22:40.37 | themill | EasyTUX: next time, I presume you'll refrain from interrupting dpkg while installing... |
| 22:41.10 | valdyn | EasyTUX: how did you manage to break dpkg btw? power outage? kill -9? |
| 22:41.24 | EasyTUX | themill: Try to refrain an unpredictible electric powerdown... ;) EH ! |
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| 22:42.13 | bartex | Meths: so what, aptitude install gcc-4.4 will be good? |
| 22:42.17 | EasyTUX | themill: Though I did one safely, when in debian-installerrr prompt... |
| 22:42.47 | EasyTUX | s/prompt/stucking prompt/ |
| 22:42.52 | bartex | for what is exactly build-essential |
| 22:43.00 | bartex | ? |
| 22:43.09 | valdyn | bartex: read the package description |
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| 22:43.15 | themill | !qotd49 |
| 22:43.16 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 22:43.16 | Meths | bartex: Yep, that should work. |
| 22:43.18 | nsadmin | a meta package (empty) that depends on the dev tools |
| 22:43.44 | Meths | bartex: build-essential is a meta-package for some CLI dev tools |
| 22:43.49 | nsadmin | bartex: for what? for compiling stuff. |
| 22:44.20 | bartex | nsadmin: i've noticed that for compliling, but didn't knew exactly for what :) |
| 22:44.39 | nsadmin | also note that the compiler is split into several parts, some of which are in one package and some are split into many packages |
| 22:45.20 | valdyn | distatica: you could even use distcc |
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| 22:45.32 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 22:45.40 | bartex | Meths: thanks, gcc is installing |
| 22:45.46 | nsadmin | bartex: can't make sense of your question... if you're not familiar with building things, then the answer to your question may involve some work on your part |
| 22:45.53 | Fare | I'm trying to update-initramfs for my crypttab, but crypttab doesn't seem to be included in the resulting initramfs -- what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:46.01 | Fare | I'm trying to make the disk encrypted |
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| 22:47.35 | bartex | nsadmin: that work can only be good, because i can lear something new :) |
| 22:47.35 | nsadmin | exactly |
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| 22:48.49 | nsadmin | bartex: do you write in C? |
| 22:49.01 | bartex | nsadmin: so tell me, do i need build-essenstial or not? |
| 22:49.09 | bartex | nsadmin: a little |
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| 22:49.17 | bartex | and c++ |
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| 22:49.23 | EasyTUX | dpkg: Important warning the file blahblah missing => assuming it's not installed : YES OK NICE BOY !!! |
| 22:49.23 | valdyn | bartex: how would we know if you need it? |
| 22:49.23 | dpkg | EasyTUX: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 22:49.40 | valdyn | bartex: jsut read the package description and make up your own mind |
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| 22:49.56 | nsadmin | you do if you want to compile c/c++ in your debian |
| 22:50.25 | EasyTUX | dpkg: Nothing personnal I hope ? |
| 22:50.26 | dpkg | EasyTUX: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:50.38 | nsadmin | you do if you want to do things like rebuild kernel or build module packages |
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| 22:51.42 | bartex | nsadmin: now that's a good question :) |
| 22:51.54 | EasyTUX | dpkg: np. |
| 22:51.54 | dpkg | [np] "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 22:52.21 | EasyTUX | oh. A bot ? |
| 22:52.23 | nsadmin | for -writing- c or c++ you just need a text editor or some ide |
| 22:52.27 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 22:52.28 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 22:53.38 | EasyTUX | dpkg: np = no pants 4U ... eh. |
| 22:53.38 | dpkg | no idea, EasyTUX |
| 22:53.47 | EasyTUX | eh. |
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| 22:54.10 | JesseW | Is there any more efficient way to look up what package owns a given file than by using dpkg -S ? I didn't see one in apt-cache... |
| 22:54.24 | jpinx-eeepc | JesseW: apt-file |
| 22:54.34 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: dpkg-query is faster i think |
| 22:54.43 | valdyn | JesseW: ^^ |
| 22:54.45 | jpinx-eeepc | concedes |
| 22:54.49 | themill | dlocate |
| 22:55.21 | jpinx-eeepc | but dpkg-query only works on installed pkgs? |
| 22:55.22 | JesseW | ah, checking apt-file... |
| 22:55.45 | JesseW | I should have remembered dlocate... |
| 22:56.23 | nsadmin | bartex other than those uses, build-essential is a fairly big chunk of disk space, possibly wasted (but that's your call on your machine) |
| 22:56.47 | JesseW | jpinx-eeepc: I don't seem to have apt-file installed - - but dlocate should work |
| 22:57.14 | jpinx-eeepc | JesseW: apt-file is a separate package |
| 22:57.22 | nsadmin | extra extra.,... not every app in the universe is installed... you could install it :) |
| 22:57.56 | bartex | nsadmin: thanks for everything |
| 22:58.13 | bartex | for now :D |
| 22:59.20 | JesseW | thanks to jpinx-eeepc, valdyn & themill -- now I can run this rather pointless, but amusing, pipe: dlocate a | head -n 2000 | sort -R | head -1 |
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| 23:00.14 | themill | JesseW: whatever floats your boat.... |
| 23:00.24 | DiegoMax | hello debian people |
| 23:00.30 | DiegoMax | i have a question |
| 23:00.43 | nsadmin | STEALS the question! |
| 23:00.58 | nsadmin | YOW! |
| 23:00.59 | DiegoMax | i have a server, 10000km from here, i want to start X/fluxbox on it but connect to that session remotely, from my mac |
| 23:01.05 | DiegoMax | is that even possible ? |
| 23:01.16 | DiegoMax | basically, i want to do the same that i do with RDC on windows |
| 23:01.33 | DiegoMax | can anybody point me to the right tools/docs for this ? |
| 23:01.39 | nsadmin | you can possibly xdmcp to it |
| 23:01.40 | DiegoMax | i just dont know what tools im supposed to use |
| 23:01.43 | bartex | nsadmin: everything works nice |
| 23:01.44 | valdyn | !vncserver |
| 23:01.51 | xand | VNC sux0r |
| 23:01.52 | valdyn | DiegoMax: install and run vncserver |
| 23:01.59 | xand | NX is good, dunno if it does persistent sessions |
| 23:02.12 | xand | don't think it's in debian though, but they provide a .deb IIRC |
| 23:02.13 | bartex | valdyn: build-essential was needed for me :), thanks |
| 23:02.26 | DiegoMax | oh i dont care about persistence actually |
| 23:02.49 | xand | well NX is very good, it's fast and uses ssh for transport so it's secure |
| 23:03.05 | xand | VNC is slow and crappy quality as would remote X be over the internet |
| 23:03.08 | DiegoMax | so |
| 23:03.19 | DiegoMax | i have installed xorg and fluxbox on the server already |
| 23:03.29 | nsadmin | DiegoMax: try this: Xnest :1 -query your.server |
| 23:03.43 | bartex | thanks again all. goodnight |
| 23:03.44 | DiegoMax | nsadmin, but im on mac os here |
| 23:03.59 | nsadmin | DiegoMax: then you need the mac build of x |
| 23:04.05 | DiegoMax | oh right |
| 23:04.12 | DiegoMax | let me see if i installed this already here |
| 23:04.18 | valdyn | xdmcp is really the hard way |
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| 23:04.25 | nsadmin | I agree |
| 23:04.35 | nsadmin | but it's the only one I'm familiar with |
| 23:04.39 | DiegoMax | i want the easy way, cause the only reason why i need this |
| 23:04.47 | DiegoMax | is to just launch the install of a windows2003 vm |
| 23:04.53 | DiegoMax | i wont use it never again after that |
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| 23:04.59 | DiegoMax | :p |
| 23:05.02 | valdyn | DiegoMax: so just use sshx |
| 23:05.07 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 23:05.07 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 23:05.10 | DiegoMax | thanks |
| 23:05.15 | nsadmin | oh, well, maybe xdmcp stuff isn't what you need at all for that |
| 23:05.22 | themill | You wouldn't want xdmcp over a public network anyway. |
| 23:05.33 | DiegoMax | basically, my plan is to install vmware server |
| 23:05.39 | DiegoMax | and then run a windows2003 inside it |
| 23:05.39 | valdyn | DiegoMax: you dont need fluxbox at all |
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| 23:06.01 | valdyn | DiegoMax: you just need a way for apps on the server to open their window on your mac, thats just what sshx does |
| 23:06.09 | xand | DiegoMax: dunno about vmware but the non-OSE version of virtualbox is free for personal use and has a built-in RDP server |
| 23:06.14 | xand | for connecting to the console |
| 23:06.23 | DiegoMax | oh.. |
| 23:06.26 | DiegoMax | vmware is free too |
| 23:06.26 | xand | and it has a headless mode so you don't need an X server on the machine it runs on |
| 23:06.30 | edju | make xconfig returned an error, saying I needed the qt3 dev package. I assume the qt4 dev package will work, but which package is it? |
| 23:06.34 | DiegoMax | but i didnt know about the RDC thing on virtualbox... |
| 23:06.45 | DiegoMax | **RDP |
| 23:06.52 | DiegoMax | checks |
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| 23:07.08 | xand | i use vboxheadless on my debian server machine which has no X and use remote desktop as the console. |
| 23:07.08 | nsadmin | edju: remember that make menuconfig is also an option |
| 23:07.14 | DiegoMax | i never ever before ran a GUI on a linux box, i feel so stupid... |
| 23:07.19 | xand | DiegoMax: only the non-OSE version has it. |
| 23:07.24 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: ssh -X is dead easy |
| 23:07.36 | xand | ssh -X is easy though yes |
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| 23:07.54 | nsadmin | you'll need client libs installed on the remote |
| 23:08.10 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: rdp is ok, but can be flaky to set up |
| 23:08.40 | DiegoMax | hmmm |
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| 23:08.54 | DiegoMax | this would be so easy with a premade windows2003 virtual machine image |
| 23:08.55 | DiegoMax | :p |
| 23:08.56 | DiegoMax | damn it |
| 23:08.57 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: it also depends on your local CPU & connection - ssh -X uses a lot in encryption |
| 23:09.20 | edju | nsadmin, Yes, I know. But I'd rather run xconfig, and there are three or four qt4 dev packages - I assume dev-tools is it? |
| 23:10.03 | nsadmin | maybe you need dev-tools, dunno. but for sure you need something like libqt*-dev |
| 23:10.12 | DiegoMax | so basically |
| 23:10.39 | DiegoMax | when i run ssh -X it will start an X session on the remote box and show me the GUI here ? am i understanding this correctly ? |
| 23:10.49 | valdyn | DiegoMax: nearly |
| 23:10.58 | DiegoMax | tries |
| 23:11.01 | valdyn | DiegoMax: an X session has nothing to do with this |
| 23:11.08 | DiegoMax | oh.... |
| 23:11.17 | valdyn | DiegoMax: first you enable X11 forwarding as dpkg explained |
| 23:11.28 | valdyn | DiegoMax: then you log into your server with ssh -X |
| 23:11.46 | valdyn | DiegoMax: then every X11 application started in the ssh session will display on your mac |
| 23:11.50 | edju | Holy cow - ten packages to install libqt4-dev! |
| 23:11.58 | DiegoMax | "and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client" |
| 23:12.09 | DiegoMax | how am i supposed to install that on the client, is the client is not a linux box but Mac OS X ? |
| 23:12.10 | phobos | edju: That surprises you? |
| 23:12.18 | DiegoMax | **if the client |
| 23:12.25 | valdyn | DiegoMax: mac needs to have X installed, i think thats default on osx |
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| 23:12.31 | DiegoMax | ok |
| 23:12.36 | themill | dpkg: tell edju about kernel build-deps |
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| 23:15.03 | edju | themill, oops, wrong package. And it seems qt4 won't do it. |
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| 23:15.06 | phobos | edju: You should download the qt source and compile it. |
| 23:15.35 | nsadmin | valdyn: not afaik... last time I had a mac in hand, it didn't have x or the dev tools, and it turned out we didn't need x because the lib we did need (gtk) can be built to use mac's display API/ABI directly |
| 23:15.35 | abrotman | phobos: you forgot the "</sarcasm>" |
| 23:16.17 | valdyn | nsadmin: X11.app is shipped with mac os x since 10.5 |
| 23:16.19 | phobos | abrotman: The problem with that is that I wasn't being sarcastic... |
| 23:16.34 | valdyn | http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki |
| 23:16.46 | DiegoMax | valdyn, ok, i have X11Forwarding yes on sshd_config |
| 23:16.51 | nsadmin | valdyn: oh, yeah, I don't believe I had a 10.5 then |
| 23:16.53 | edju | I've compiled my share of kernels, but since switching to Debian, it's more trouble. |
| 23:17.19 | DiegoMax | valdyn: and i have x11 on my Mac OSX client here, so i should do now ssh user@server.com -X and thats all ? |
| 23:17.19 | edju | Heck with it - just use menuconfig. |
| 23:17.20 | nsadmin | edju: you just have to get used to the make-kpkg thing |
| 23:17.33 | valdyn | DiegoMax: you need to restart the ssh server |
| 23:17.37 | DiegoMax | oh ok |
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| 23:19.03 | lilzeus | what is the difference between sites-available and sites-enabled in apache2? |
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| 23:19.19 | valdyn | lilzeus: the name sais it all |
| 23:19.27 | DiegoMax | interesting, x11 opened here... it seems to be connected to the remote server (no errors or anything) but i just cant see anything... |
| 23:19.48 | valdyn | DiegoMax: you ran ssh -X and logged in? |
| 23:19.53 | DiegoMax | yah |
| 23:19.57 | lilzeus | enabled for what? available for what? |
| 23:19.57 | valdyn | DiegoMax: which X program did you start? |
| 23:20.20 | DiegoMax | i did not start anything, just after doing the ssh -X thing, x11 opened automatically here |
| 23:20.31 | valdyn | DiegoMax: great i guess |
| 23:20.32 | DiegoMax | should i start something on the server now ? |
| 23:20.38 | valdyn | DiegoMax: sure |
| 23:20.41 | DiegoMax | OHHHH |
| 23:20.45 | themill | lilzeus: see /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 23:20.48 | DiegoMax | i finally understand how this works :p |
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| 23:23.33 | DiegoMax | doesnt seems to work |
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| 23:23.40 | DiegoMax | i just installed iceweasel in order to test |
| 23:23.57 | DiegoMax | ran it on the server, and if i undersatnd this correctly, i should see the GUI here, right ? |
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| 23:24.17 | valdyn | DiegoMax: yes |
| 23:24.36 | EasyTUX | How should I authorize user x to run X ? eheh... |
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| 23:24.43 | nsadmin | DiegoMax: if you'd like some background, try reading man X |
| 23:24.48 | DiegoMax | ok |
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| 23:25.12 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: do some small application like the eyes |
| 23:25.12 | nsadmin | it's a good read and explains the basics and gives some detail |
| 23:25.35 | DiegoMax | OH WAIT |
| 23:25.36 | DiegoMax | it works |
| 23:25.41 | DiegoMax | it is just slow as hell |
| 23:25.44 | jpinx-eeepc | xeyes I believe.... |
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| 23:26.01 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: remember what I told you about the connection ? :p |
| 23:26.23 | DiegoMax | geez |
| 23:26.25 | EasyTUX | How should I authorize user x to run X ? eheh... Wanna another guest than SETUID ROOT PLEASE ! |
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| 23:26.33 | nsadmin | what you'd be missing is why ssh and x have anything to do with each other, and a big part of the reason is the X maint in debian has arranged for X servers to run under something called ssh-agent which you should also check out the man page of |
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| 23:27.16 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: can you save me the scollback and tell me what you're *really* trying to do? |
| 23:27.27 | DiegoMax | trying to install windows 2003 server |
| 23:27.29 | DiegoMax | on a virtual machine |
| 23:27.32 | DiegoMax | using vmware server |
| 23:27.51 | themill | EasyTUX: stop shouting... if people don't answer, it's usually because they don't understand your question because you've provided insufficient information and no error message. (sometimes it's because they don't know the answer... /msg dpkg patience ; /msg dpkg ask) |
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| 23:27.54 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: virtual machine where? |
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| 23:28.01 | DiegoMax | on a debian box |
| 23:28.10 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: virtual machine where? |
| 23:28.23 | jpinx-eeepc | locally or remote by miles? |
| 23:28.24 | DiegoMax | not sure if i undersatnd your question jpinx-eeepc .... |
| 23:28.27 | DiegoMax | oh |
| 23:28.28 | DiegoMax | remotely |
| 23:28.38 | EasyTUX | themill: Ok, SOrry... |
| 23:28.41 | EasyTUX | !ask |
| 23:28.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:28.47 | EasyTUX | eh. |
| 23:29.12 | jpinx-eeepc | over hte internet ssh -X is mighty slow for anything substanitanl like a browser, unless you have T* conenctions |
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| 23:29.36 | nsadmin | or OC |
| 23:29.38 | DiegoMax | yah |
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| 23:29.45 | DiegoMax | its slow to the point of being unusable |
| 23:29.50 | krisfremen | DiegoMax: why not use VNC through a ssh tunnel? |
| 23:29.50 | DiegoMax | and is not that i have a slow connection here |
| 23:29.58 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: depends on your usage - I use it all the time |
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| 23:30.06 | jpinx-eeepc | krisfremen: even slower |
| 23:30.08 | EasyTUX | I know that. Why the hell X ain't setuid... Humm, gdm, kdm workaround... |
| 23:30.12 | DiegoMax | well yah |
| 23:30.18 | krisfremen | or nomachine |
| 23:30.18 | DiegoMax | it works: http://massanti.com/captures/About__-_Iceweasel-20091018-212928.jpg << proof |
| 23:30.30 | DiegoMax | but it took like 30 seconds just for that window to appear |
| 23:30.37 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: RDP does;t use encryption like ssh - so it;s a bit faster |
| 23:30.40 | valdyn | DiegoMax: thats a slow connection |
| 23:31.06 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: depends on what was in *that* window |
| 23:31.13 | DiegoMax | valdyn, dunno i have 12mbit down and 3mbit up |
| 23:31.17 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: did you try xeyes on the remote? |
| 23:31.26 | DiegoMax | jpinx-eeepc, no, let me try |
| 23:31.53 | themill | EasyTUX: /usr/bin/X *is* suid root. How about you try being less vague if you want help... think about what dpkg suggested and what you've actually told us so far. |
| 23:32.02 | DiegoMax | now if i use VNC |
| 23:32.19 | DiegoMax | the x session would literally running on the remote, right ? and i would just be seeing here a bitmapped representation |
| 23:32.21 | DiegoMax | correct ? |
| 23:32.30 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: anyhting that has encryption will be slow... |
| 23:32.47 | valdyn | ummm |
| 23:32.54 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: for detailed explanations -see man pages, but RDP is better |
| 23:33.11 | jpinx-eeepc | where better = faster |
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| 23:33.36 | DiegoMax | yah i use RDP all the time, on LAN though, never used it over internet to be honest, so i cant really compare |
| 23:33.44 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: but I still have no clue why you need this connection |
| 23:34.08 | DiegoMax | jpinx-eeepc, because i need some kind of GUI access to perform the install of windows 2003 on the virutal machine running on the remote |
| 23:34.20 | DiegoMax | unless you know some other method that i ignore of course |
| 23:34.23 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: why? |
| 23:34.39 | DiegoMax | is open to suggestions on how to install windows 2003 remotely on a VM |
| 23:34.39 | jpinx-eeepc | is windows server gui - olny? |
| 23:34.43 | jpinx-eeepc | *only |
| 23:35.01 | DiegoMax | yes |
| 23:35.10 | dokma | Hey guys! My buddies radio won't read one of it's USB sticks that worked until he cleaned it up and filled a new. Both on FAT32. I thought using dd to raw copy the working one to the other would be a brilliant attempt. But the working one is 8GB and the other 4GB. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:35.18 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you can telnet to it .. if you turn that on |
| 23:35.19 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: I suggest you go to #windows and tackle them then |
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| 23:35.36 | DiegoMax | jpinx-eeepc, my problem is not about installing windows.... |
| 23:35.38 | DiegoMax | oh nvm |
| 23:35.46 | DiegoMax | thanks for your help |
| 23:35.54 | ruotsalainen | how would i make it so a user is restricted to just two commands, those commands being 'screen' and 'irssi' ? |
| 23:36.22 | techouse | where do i turn off the damn pc speaker? |
| 23:36.26 | dokma | ruotsalainen: probably something with jailshell ... |
| 23:36.44 | techouse | in gnome-sound-control it's all grayed out, even as root |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | ruotsalainen: why would you give them screen? |
| 23:37.21 | sway_ | DiegoMax: does the keyboard work as input for the windows server? |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | !tell techouse about bell |
| 23:37.33 | DiegoMax | sway_ yes |
| 23:37.39 | DiegoMax | you need a GUI for the install |
| 23:37.54 | DiegoMax | unless you do some OEM prebuild, which is not an option here |
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| 23:38.03 | sway_ | DiegoMax: cygwin+python+SendKeys in the vm with the windows server? |
| 23:38.15 | dokma | ruotsalainen: probably something with jailshell ... |
| 23:38.43 | sway_ | you may have to roll your own listening service/daemon though |
| 23:39.23 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: I was suggesting #windows for alternative methods of installing their stuff |
| 23:39.52 | dokma | Hey guys! My buddies radio won't read one of it's USB sticks that worked until he cleaned it up and filled a new. Both on FAT32. I thought using dd to raw copy the working one to the other would be a brilliant attempt. But the working one is 8GB and the other 4GB. Any suggestions? |
| 23:39.58 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: your problem is certaianly not debian specific ;) |
| 23:40.25 | nsadmin | DiegoMax: but as long as you're here... so there's no way you can use a pure debian server for everything the win2k3 would server? |
| 23:40.30 | nsadmin | would serve |
| 23:40.47 | jpinx-eeepc | was avoiding that question ;) |
| 23:41.03 | DiegoMax | nsadmin, no, because the only reason why i want to install windows server is to test some automation scripts that im doing to make vlc talk with Windows Media Services :p |
| 23:41.21 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:41.23 | DiegoMax | i guess i will just support the slow ssh -X thing though |
| 23:41.25 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: then why do it remotely? |
| 23:41.37 | sway_ | python, like debian, works everywhere |
| 23:41.37 | DiegoMax | as long as it installs, i could not care less about the speed, its a one time only thing after all |
| 23:41.38 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: why not on a local box? |
| 23:41.48 | nsadmin | right, if you're just testing |
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| 23:42.05 | sinizzl | hai guise |
| 23:42.10 | DiegoMax | jpinx-eeepc, because i need to test multicast re-streaming, and doing it locally disallows me from performing a real-life test |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | sinizzl: "hi guys" |
| 23:42.29 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: ah - now we're down to the nitty-gritty :) |
| 23:42.34 | sway_ | DiegoMax: what's multicast restreaming? |
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| 23:43.00 | nsadmin | forwarding a video stream? |
| 23:43.04 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: you probably coudl do it locally, but it would not be a good test |
| 23:43.08 | DiegoMax | sway_, sending a stream of video to a server, and asking this server to re-encode it to a different format and rebroadcast it to different clients/bitrates |
| 23:43.19 | sinizzl | i have a question about RAID, or rather fake RAID. I use an Intel ICH7 SATA controller and i have debian lenny amd64 installed on the system. I just got two 1.5TB drives and I want to make one partition out of it. I heard the "Logical Volume Manager" can do this. Are there any performance/data safety penalties to it? |
| 23:43.21 | techouse | abrotman: actually i found a much nicer way of turning the annoying thing off; you might wanna add that to dpkg: open gconf-editor and set /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/bell_mode to "off" |
| 23:43.28 | sway_ | DiegoMax: huh. thank you. |
| 23:43.37 | abrotman | techouse: AFAIK, that's just for gnome .. |
| 23:43.57 | techouse | well, add a gnome subtopic or something |
| 23:44.04 | techouse | kde has that fixed anyway |
| 23:44.08 | jpinx-eeepc | DiegoMax: if you have a fast enough connection - you can do all that locally |
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| 23:44.27 | abrotman | techouse: fixed? some people like the bell |
| 23:44.28 | nsadmin | sinizzl: if you're combining drives, the closer you are to real hw raid, the better |
| 23:44.41 | sinizzl | nsadmin: a real HW raid card costs a fortune. |
| 23:44.48 | nsadmin | then you can run lvm on top |
| 23:44.50 | techouse | abrotman: you can actually turn it off in theri system configuration manager under sounds |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | sinizzl: not really .. a couple of hundred dollars |
| 23:45.03 | techouse | abrotman: as where in gnome you can't |
| 23:45.04 | sinizzl | i'm not really interested in the performance gains. i just need one partition |
| 23:45.10 | abrotman | techouse: oh, file a bug on gnome i guess |
| 23:45.15 | sinizzl | abrotman: e.g.? can you name me one that is fully supported under linux? |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | sinizzl: that is SATA? |
| 23:45.32 | nsadmin | sinizzl: then you;re mostly interested in safety\ |
| 23:45.39 | sinizzl | i'm using it as a home fileserver so i can stream porn directly over wireless to my laptop |
| 23:45.42 | sinizzl | abrotman: yes, SATA |
| 23:45.50 | sway_ | haha |
| 23:45.55 | abrotman | sinizzl: the more expensive 3ware and adaptec should be |
| 23:46.03 | sinizzl | what about HighPoint? |
| 23:46.11 | abrotman | sinizzl: and you can get htem in four port models |
| 23:46.12 | sinizzl | a friend of mine is using one of those, but under Win2k3 |
| 23:46.21 | abrotman | sinizzl: depends on the model |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 23:46.22 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 23:46.32 | sinizzl | hm ok |
| 23:46.41 | nsadmin | sinizzl: here's a cheaper way: over the next year, ask a thousand women "Where can I get cotton candy" |
| 23:46.46 | sinizzl | lol |
| 23:46.55 | nsadmin | you do that, you WILL NEVER need porn again |
| 23:46.55 | sinizzl | srsly, i have a GF so i dont really watch porn |
| 23:46.57 | abrotman | i think there's a highpoint card that isn't crap |
| 23:46.58 | sinizzl | (only occasionally) |
| 23:47.13 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 23:47.37 | sinizzl | well, i don't really have that kind of money to spend on a raid card. its usage just can't justify its cost. So if i don't want to buy one i'm stuck with 2x1.5TB partitions? |
| 23:47.41 | abrotman | oh .. nope, i was wrong, that FAQ doesn't list any highpoint that aren't fakeraid |
| 23:48.00 | sinizzl | abrotman: taht's disconcerting. |
| 23:48.02 | abrotman | sinizzl: you're going to put two partitions on the same drive and call it RAID ? |
| 23:48.03 | nsadmin | no, not stuck, just not as safe |
| 23:48.07 | sinizzl | abrotman: no. |
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| 23:48.52 | sinizzl | nsadmin: safety is not really an issue. i never had a harddisk failure (lucky guy, eh?) and even if that happens, my 3TB of "porn" aren't exactly major corporate secrets or something so i really wouldn't care that much (it would just mean another few weeks of extreme-torrenting) |
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| 23:49.16 | abrotman | sinizzl: $200 is too much ? |
| 23:49.30 | sinizzl | abrotman: sort of, yes |
| 23:49.32 | sinizzl | abrotman: i don't live in the US |
| 23:49.39 | sinizzl | hardware is damn expensive here |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:49.55 | sinizzl | abrotman: can you name me a 200 dollar non-fakeraid card? |
| 23:50.11 | abrotman | didn't you just say $200 was too much ? |
| 23:50.30 | sinizzl | na, i just said that assumign you'd pay 2$ in the United States i'd probably pay double here |
| 23:50.48 | sinizzl | (but then again, an average person here earns double than average american joe) |
| 23:51.25 | sinizzl | the currency here is CHF which is pretty equal to US Dollar, so if i can find a real HW raid card for 200 bucks i *might* consider buying one |
| 23:51.51 | sway_ | chf? |
| 23:51.55 | sinizzl | confoederatio helvetica franks |
| 23:51.57 | sinizzl | :P |
| 23:52.16 | sway_ | thank you, helevetican |
| 23:52.20 | sinizzl | np |
| 23:52.50 | sinizzl | but anyway, would i suffer noticable performance hits if i just used LVM to make one 3TB partition out of 2 disks? |
| 23:52.50 | sinizzl | without using a raid card, ofc |
| 23:54.08 | EasyTUX | Where may I configure manually my IP and route ? |
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| 23:54.45 | phobos | EasyTUX: if you are using a debian based distro, then its /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:55.03 | EasyTUX | Ok. |
| 23:55.10 | EasyTUX | Thanks. |
| 23:55.21 | EasyTUX | phobos. |
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| 23:57.01 | abrotman | sinizzl: looks like maybe the 2405 is around $200 and not fakeraid .. but you'd have to double check |
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| 23:59.52 | nsadmin | EasyTUX: man 5 interfaces for the background material |
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