| 00:00.30 | rhodan | NiveusLuna: what card, what setup? |
| 00:00.44 | NiveusLuna | AHA, manual IP configuration works! |
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| 00:01.19 | NiveusLuna | I didn't want to use DHCP after install anyway, so this worksout ^_^ |
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| 00:02.30 | dokma | Hey guys! Any1 knows a place to download complete virtual machines of Debian for VirtualBox? |
| 00:04.02 | _jakob_ | dokma: vmtn.vmware.com -- select a OVF machine from there, VirtualBox can open OVF machines easily |
| 00:04.24 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: Oh, good, so you had a PCI card available already |
| 00:04.50 | rhodan | MusicBrainz Picard is awesome <3 |
| 00:04.58 | _jakob_ | dokma: sorry, the url is now http://www.vmware.com/appliances/ |
| 00:05.26 | NiveusLuna | an old one that doesn't seem to work, despite the initial success of ip configuration. |
| 00:05.50 | _jakob_ | dokma: http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/cat/0?k=debian&sort=created |
| 00:05.54 | rhodan | NiveusLuna: it's most likely not a driver issue |
| 00:05.55 | NiveusLuna | the lights on the card show ok, the router indicates a physical connection, but downloading from the mirrors aren't working. |
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| 00:06.14 | rhodan | NiveusLuna: try dhcpcd ethX |
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| 00:07.54 | NiveusLuna | does Linksys EtherFast 5.1 have known issues with Debian? |
| 00:08.34 | NiveusLuna | or could differing PCI standards have something to do with it? the card is meant for a mobo with three slots, but the mobo PCI slots are only dual-slotted. |
| 00:08.52 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: No, it's not a problem with the slot |
| 00:08.52 | NiveusLuna | it *fits* |
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| 00:09.45 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: http://www.voice-boards.com/pcislots.html |
| 00:09.54 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: You have either a 3.3-volt or a 5-volt slot, and the card has both notches because it works in either type of slot |
| 00:09.59 | rhodan | NiveusLuna: did you try turning it off and on again? |
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| 00:10.26 | NiveusLuna | the computer? No, I haven't tried it. |
| 00:10.32 | NiveusLuna | irssi's being weird, brb |
| 00:10.37 | NiveusLuna | or not |
| 00:10.51 | NiveusLuna | apparently irssi redraws itself properly after you change windows |
| 00:10.53 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: What did you do to configure the card with an IP address? |
| 00:11.05 | NiveusLuna | hit manual configuration on the installer |
| 00:11.51 | Wyzard | While installing Debian? |
| 00:12.10 | Wyzard | Did you get any messages during installation about being unable to contact mirrors, etc.? |
| 00:12.17 | NiveusLuna | yes, and yes |
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| 00:12.56 | NiveusLuna | ...i forgot, this router was in use when the house was struck by lightning... maybe this port was fried. |
| 00:13.03 | Wyzard | ah, that's possible |
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| 00:13.16 | NiveusLuna | switches ports and tries again |
| 00:13.22 | DivineAnt | hi guys, im having some troubles with default gateway on my server |
| 00:13.49 | dokma | _jakob_: thank you very much! |
| 00:13.58 | dokma | will check that right now |
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| 00:14.30 | NiveusLuna | i remember the lightning strike fried *something* between one of the computers and the router, but i can't remember if it was the cord, the jack, or the router port. |
| 00:14.44 | NiveusLuna | guess we're about to find out |
| 00:14.48 | DivineAnt | I have two nic's on separate networks, with different gateways, and both nic's set their gw to default |
| 00:14.54 | NiveusLuna | waits on the slow computer to boot up |
| 00:15.34 | DivineAnt | which means i cant connect out from the server without manual removal of default gw for eth1 |
| 00:16.02 | rhodan | A bit offtopic... how big are your music collections? |
| 00:16.57 | DivineAnt | my interfaces is pasted here: http://pastebin.com/m7915fa |
| 00:17.32 | jmarsden | DivineAnt: So... don't configure a gateway for eth1, and you should be all set. Delete line 17 of your paste. |
| 00:17.45 | jmarsden | if you don't want it, don't configure it :) |
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| 00:18.32 | NiveusLuna | sighs. |
| 00:18.37 | NiveusLuna | DHCP failure again. |
| 00:18.56 | NiveusLuna | let's see if that rescue works. |
| 00:18.56 | DivineAnt | jmarsden: it seems so obvious, but i was hesitating to fiddle with it without confirmation since im at a remote computer right now. Thanks |
| 00:19.05 | jmarsden | No problem. |
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| 00:20.17 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: Unplug the cable from the problematic computer and connect it to another computer whose networking is known to work... that way you can check whether the cable and the port on the router are OK |
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| 00:21.51 | NiveusLuna | checked it two days ago and it worked fine. |
| 00:22.20 | NiveusLuna | okay, rescue worked, i'm in the old debian install now. |
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| 00:25.23 | ratono | hi |
| 00:25.36 | ratono | I have uninstalled Virtualbox |
| 00:25.49 | ratono | but I have boot messages: |
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| 00:26.02 | ratono | "Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found." |
| 00:26.11 | ratono | "Starting Virtualbox host networking... done" |
| 00:26.23 | ratono | i run update-rc.d vboxdrv remove |
| 00:26.30 | ratono | and update-rc.d vboxnet remove |
| 00:26.39 | ratono | no result |
| 00:26.57 | shyam | xfce+lxde version of stable cd should be the best option for old less resource systems right? |
| 00:27.01 | Wyzard | ratono: Those are names of kernel modules, not init scripts |
| 00:27.26 | jmarsden | ratono: How exactly did you install virtualbox, and how exactly did you uninstall it? |
| 00:27.26 | Wyzard | ratono: However, it's an init script that's printing the message; take a look in /etc/init.d and see if any of the names look vbox-related |
| 00:27.40 | NiveusLuna | okay... anything i can do from the debian install to get this PCI card working? |
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| 00:28.54 | ratono | apt-get install virtualbox-pse |
| 00:28.55 | ratono | *-ose |
| 00:29.09 | ratono | and another time: virtualbox-3.0 from vbox repos |
| 00:29.12 | ratono | then |
| 00:29.33 | ratono | apt-get autoremove virtualbox-ose (or 3.0) |
| 00:29.55 | ratono | messages are displayed |
| 00:29.56 | ratono | then |
| 00:30.03 | Wyzard | ratono: Find the script in /etc/init.d that's printing those messages, and run "dpkg -S" on it |
| 00:30.04 | ratono | update-rc.d vboxdrv remove |
| 00:30.11 | ratono | and update-rc.d vboxnet remove |
| 00:30.24 | ratono | yeah |
| 00:30.45 | ratono | but I have remove /init.d/vboxdrv and vboxnet... |
| 00:30.53 | NiveusLuna | Wyzard: anything i can do from the old debian install? I've gotten into it. |
| 00:31.11 | Wyzard | There were files named /etc/init.d/vboxdrv and /etc/init.d/vboxnet, and you rm'ed them manually? |
| 00:31.29 | ratono | also |
| 00:31.40 | shyam | am looking for the best debian option for hardwares older than p3 |
| 00:32.17 | bzed | shyam: try damn small linux :) |
| 00:32.24 | Wyzard | ratono: Have you actually looked in /etc/init.d/ to see what's there? |
| 00:32.36 | shyam | should i? seriously? |
| 00:32.45 | shyam | not debian? |
| 00:32.58 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: Since it may be broken hardware, I'd try that card in a different computer to find out |
| 00:33.07 | NiveusLuna | I don't have another computer to try. |
| 00:33.09 | NiveusLuna | :/ |
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| 00:33.25 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: From within Debian, you could check that it has an IP address and that there's an appropriate entry in the routing table, and that the interface is up |
| 00:33.39 | NiveusLuna | I have two laptops and the only desktop in anything remotely approaching workable condition is the one I'm trying to get the network up on. |
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| 00:34.54 | NiveusLuna | hm. the old debian install doesn't detect the pci card. |
| 00:35.02 | NiveusLuna | how do I rerun hardware detection? |
| 00:35.11 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: You could take it to a computer repair shop and ask them to test it (and while you're there, see if they have any others available) |
| 00:35.17 | NiveusLuna | hehehe. |
| 00:35.23 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: Does the card show up in lspci? |
| 00:35.28 | NiveusLuna | yes. |
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| 00:35.40 | NiveusLuna | I'd gladly take it to a local shop if I had the money... but I no has money. |
| 00:35.41 | Wyzard | then it does detect the card |
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| 00:36.23 | NiveusLuna | it doesn't show up as ethX, I should say. |
| 00:36.36 | ratono | <Wyzard> ratono: Have you actually looked in /etc/init.d/ to see what's there? |
| 00:36.42 | Wyzard | That means either the driver isn't loaded, or (if you're using ifconfig without the -a option) that the interface isn't up |
| 00:36.56 | ratono | ls /etc/init.d/vb* |
| 00:36.58 | ratono | nothing |
| 00:37.19 | ratono | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:37.22 | ratono | /etc/init.d/virtualbox-ose |
| 00:37.24 | ratono | vi vi vi |
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| 00:37.26 | ratono | O_o |
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| 00:37.34 | Wyzard | ratono: Good, now check what package that file belongs to |
| 00:38.10 | NiveusLuna | odd... it shows up in ifconfig -a, but when i try to run "ifup eth1" it says "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" |
| 00:38.29 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: That means there's no entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces, so ifup doesn't know what to do |
| 00:38.47 | NiveusLuna | ah. i think i can set that up... |
| 00:39.00 | Wyzard | NiveusLuna: If that's eth1, btw, what's eth0? |
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| 00:42.00 | NiveusLuna | eth0 is the integrated ethernet that can't make a physical connection anymore |
| 00:42.30 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 00:42.58 | NiveusLuna | ...DHCP isn't working. |
| 00:43.10 | shyam | see ya. |
| 00:43.40 | NiveusLuna | ...about a month ago, a neighbor was trying to get rid of a computer. i'll see tomorrow if they still have it. |
| 00:44.05 | NiveusLuna | the hard drive was failing, but i've got three of them in working condition i can use. |
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| 00:47.52 | nevyn | NiveusLuna: test with smartctl.. |
| 00:48.12 | nevyn | NiveusLuna: just to verify how "working" they are. |
| 00:48.45 | nevyn | despite the fact I can read and write to it.. the following disk is not "working" |
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| 00:50.05 | NiveusLuna | I give up. I'll take it to a friend of mine on wednesday. His troubleshooting, hardware, and linux skills are far, far beyond mine. |
| 00:50.13 | ``y7 | how do i see what users i have added when i'm logged into root? |
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| 00:52.30 | nevyn | NiveusLuna: no no no I'm saying if you think you have working disks.. you can find which is the "most working" of those with smartctl |
| 00:52.56 | NiveusLuna | the disks are fine, it's the network card. |
| 00:53.19 | ratono | Wyzard, solved, thx |
| 00:53.38 | Wyzard | ratono: What package did you uninstall? |
| 00:54.21 | nevyn | NiveusLuna: for a oneshot dhcp of the network interface try dhclient eth1 |
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| 00:54.42 | ratono | Wyzard, virtualbox-ose |
| 00:54.47 | nevyn | this isn't persisant across reboots or any of that junk but it should get you a connection |
| 00:55.02 | ratono | /etc/int.d/virtualbox.ose |
| 00:55.19 | ratono | ;) |
| 00:55.58 | Wyzard | ratono: I mean, did you uninstall the package (e.g. with apt or dpkg), or did you just rm that file? |
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| 00:57.56 | DivineAnt | k |
| 00:58.00 | DivineAnt | jk |
| 00:59.17 | xerophyte | i have folder named cd --enable-posixmutexes how can i remove or change to that foler? |
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| 00:59.46 | Wyzard | xerophyte: rm -- "cd --enable-posixmutexes" |
| 01:00.11 | Wyzard | xerophyte: The "--" tells rm that anything that follows is not to be interpreted as an option, no matter what it looks like |
| 01:00.25 | xerophyte | Wyzard: thx ;) |
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| 01:01.11 | Wyzard | xerophyte: oops, rmdir, not rm (or rm -r if you prefer) |
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| 01:03.23 | ratono | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.39 | ratono | virtualbox-3.0 and virtualbox-ose are deleted |
| 01:03.45 | Wyzard | ratono: That's the wrong thing to do |
| 01:04.07 | Wyzard | ratono: If that file still existed, it was most likely part of some other package that's still installed |
| 01:04.32 | Wyzard | ratono: Now you've deleted that one file, but the system still thinks the package is installed, and there may be other files from that package still on the system |
| 01:05.43 | Wyzard | ratono: Did you do "dpkg -S" on the file like I said earlier? |
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| 01:07.28 | ratono | Wyzard, dpkg -S virtualbox-ose |
| 01:07.29 | ratono | virtualbox-ose: /etc/network/if-post-down.d/virtualbox-ose |
| 01:07.29 | ratono | virtualbox-ose: /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_virtualbox-ose.rules |
| 01:07.29 | ratono | virtualbox-ose: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/virtualbox-ose |
| 01:07.29 | ratono | virtualbox-ose: /etc/default/virtualbox-ose |
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| 01:08.25 | Wyzard | ratono: Those results mean that the virtualbox-ose package is still installed |
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| 01:10.28 | ratono | Wyzard, but I ran apt-get autoremove virtualbox-ose... |
| 01:10.28 | ratono | ??? |
| 01:10.58 | jmarsden | ratono: apt-get remove virtualbox-ose # not autoremove |
| 01:11.29 | ratono | yeah |
| 01:11.31 | ratono | not installed |
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| 01:11.56 | Wyzard | If those files are all conffiles, it may be that it's removed but not purged |
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| 01:14.14 | ratono | purge manually? |
| 01:14.20 | jmarsden | ratono: Try installing it again and then purging it: apt-get install virtualbox-ose && apt-get purge virtualbox-ose |
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| 01:14.33 | ratono | ok thx |
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| 01:15.29 | Wyzard | has never seen any real use for the removed-but-not-purged package state |
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| 01:18.06 | ratono | solved |
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| 02:31.38 | BCM43 | why is the sudoers file read only when I am editing it from root |
| 02:31.59 | markybob | BCM43, because you need to use visudo to edit it |
| 02:32.27 | BCM43 | markybob: I am using emacs as root |
| 02:32.38 | BCM43 | ah |
| 02:32.40 | BCM43 | neverming |
| 02:32.41 | BCM43 | I see |
| 02:32.43 | markybob | yeah |
| 02:32.44 | BCM43 | this is new? |
| 02:32.46 | markybob | no |
| 02:32.55 | \amethyst | BCM43: so you have to use VISUAL=emacs visudo, which prevents writing a sudoers with a syntax error |
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| 02:33.12 | \amethyst | since doing so could prevent you from being able to gain root to fix it |
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| 02:36.04 | markybob | BCM43, for an emacs user, you should really pay more attention. you're told to use visudo when sudo is installed |
| 02:36.37 | BCM43 | markybob: In the past I have used emacs with no problem. |
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| 02:37.03 | \amethyst | perhaps something changed to make emacs pay attention to the read-only bit when root? |
| 02:37.32 | katina` | how do I disable gnome-power-manager's running when I log into X? I've removed it from the startup programs' window, but it still starts. |
| 02:38.18 | \amethyst | since root can open the file for reading or writing writing regardless of the permissions |
| 02:38.20 | markybob | BCM43, oh, the past. which has no baring on the present. ah |
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| 02:38.53 | \amethyst | katina`: run gnome-session-properties and you should be able to remove it there |
| 02:38.57 | BCM43 | markybob: true. I must have missed the thing when installing sudo, and did as I always did. |
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| 02:44.21 | chili_con_carne | hey why doesn' debian offer a gnome cd download anymore? |
| 02:44.55 | chili_con_carne | or why lfde? |
| 02:45.04 | chili_con_carne | with xfce whats up with that? |
| 02:45.10 | n-iCe | uh? |
| 02:45.21 | n-iCe | Of course there is a gnome cd |
| 02:45.25 | n-iCe | xfce is lighter |
| 02:45.41 | n-iCe | http://www.xfce.org/ |
| 02:45.49 | chili_con_carne | not here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/bt-cd/ or http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/amd64/bt-cd/ hmmm let me check the mirror downloads then |
| 02:46.19 | chili_con_carne | n-iCe: no its the logic of includig another windows manager like lxde with xfce? |
| 02:46.34 | n-iCe | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:46.34 | abrotman | chili_con_carne: the first CD does have gnome |
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| 02:46.41 | abrotman | or at least parts of it |
| 02:46.58 | n-iCe | hi abrotman |
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| 02:47.20 | chili_con_carne | yea prolly theres like 22cds though right? LOL... im just wondering why remove it and then use lxde in the xfce cd? |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | chili_con_carne: did you read what i said? |
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| 02:48.53 | chili_con_carne | Yes I did.. but your not understanding what im saying... debian has traditionaly had a gnome, kde, and xfce4 cd for download for those who prefer cd installs rather then network installs now I see kde (don't know if its 3 or4) and no gnome and xfce+lxde wtf is up with that.... |
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| 02:49.34 | abrotman | chili_con_carne: yes .. gnome is on the normal CD1 |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | there are special ones for kde/xfce+lxde |
| 02:50.06 | purplepenguins | you can install debian without x at all if you want |
| 02:50.10 | markybob | chili_con_carne, stop...listen. cd1 includes the "normal" install of gnome |
| 02:50.19 | markybob | chili_con_carne, what do you not get? |
| 02:50.20 | purplepenguins | you don't have to use xfce or lxde |
| 02:50.52 | markybob | i suppose it's still sunday |
| 02:51.49 | purplepenguins | depending on where you care |
| 02:51.51 | purplepenguins | are* |
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| 02:52.44 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | hey I disconnected so not sure if anyone replyed to my paragraph..... |
| 02:52.58 | purplepenguins | yes, there were many |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | just use CD1 |
| 02:53.05 | purplepenguins | the normal CD1 has gnome on it |
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| 02:53.47 | MariachiAC | hello. can debian now be isntalled with speech or... do I need to install debian through grml usingg debootstrap. |
| 02:54.11 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | cd1? does it come with all the libs? |
| 02:54.33 | markybob | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe, cd1 comes with the "normal" install, including gnome. it's that simple |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe: all what libs ? |
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| 02:54.50 | markybob | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe, you're making it too complicated. just get it, install it, and be done with it |
| 02:55.03 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | libs required for gnome to operate, and have a minamally running DE |
| 02:55.18 | markybob | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe, damnit, man, listen! cd1 has what you want/need |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe: for the love of god .. get http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2a/i386/bt-cd/debian-502a-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent already |
| 02:55.47 | katina` | thanks \amethyst, but gnome-session-properties brings up the same window I already removed gnome-power-manager from. |
| 02:56.13 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | im not making it complicated im just asking questions |
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| 02:56.32 | markybob | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe, asking questions without listening is pretty damn fucking retarded |
| 02:57.38 | MariachiAC | private message me if anyone has any details. There is to many messages in the chat room to read with a screen reader. I can use debootstrap, but I would need a tutorial on how to use it and successfully install a debian system onto a second hard drive. |
| 02:57.43 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | lol theres a big difference from hearing and listeing although I am actually just reading.... |
| 02:58.35 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | and asking questions and being TOLD what I should do without having my questions awnsers really defeats the whole pupose.... |
| 02:58.48 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | anwsered* |
| 02:59.02 | liable | MariachiAC: yes, debian has festival (synthesizer) for install, take a look at the install manual |
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| 02:59.47 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | so I shouldn't ask specific questions just general questions right? "I need gnome" "so download cd1" great ;) |
| 03:00.03 | hdevalence | how do I install a package while ignoring dependencies? |
| 03:00.14 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | hdevalence: why would u want 2 do that? |
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| 03:00.33 | abrotman | hdevalence: you don't, it will end badly |
| 03:01.03 | hdevalence | because the packages have been packaged badly |
| 03:01.04 | MariachiAC | liable Ok, I'll look at the isntall manual. |
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| 03:02.02 | hdevalence | and so, one of the packages depends on another in a way that conflicts with other packages |
| 03:02.06 | hdevalence | and I need both |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | hdevalence: which version of debian? which package? |
| 03:02.22 | zinx | hdevalence: are you mixing releases/distributions? |
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| 03:03.33 | hdevalence | no, it's just yet another kubuntu screwup. It's not actually debian; it just seems like the people here are more knowledgeable about apt & friends |
| 03:03.37 | hdevalence | so sorry for that |
| 03:04.15 | hdevalence | I would use debian, but I am lazy, and don't want to configure things |
| 03:04.41 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 03:04.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:05.03 | Arrowmaster | hdevalence: if you break anything its your fault but download the .deb manually and use this script, afterwards install it manually with dpkg -i file.deb, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5585977&postcount=4 |
| 03:06.05 | markybob | hdevalence, you admitting to being lazy doesnt make us any happier to accept more work that probably wont work. |
| 03:06.28 | Arrowmaster | i had to use that when nvidia-glx-ia32 in sid was still depending on some packages generated by ia32-apt-get but the libs were now found in ia32-libs |
| 03:06.52 | markybob | Arrowmaster, ia32-libs no long exist in debian. so, again, you're wasting our time |
| 03:07.01 | markybob | s/long/longer |
| 03:07.15 | kornholi | oh? |
| 03:07.19 | hdevalence | thank you for the help anyways |
| 03:07.25 | kornholi | what replaces ia32-libs? |
| 03:07.53 | Arrowmaster | markybob: http://packages.debian.org/sid/ia32-libs |
| 03:07.55 | markybob | kornholi, true mutli-arch support. http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 |
| 03:08.11 | kornholi | cool |
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| 03:08.25 | Arrowmaster | multi-arch support doesnt exist yet |
| 03:08.38 | Arrowmaster | atleast not outside of experimental |
| 03:08.38 | markybob | i'm using it here |
| 03:08.43 | markybob | sorry that you're not |
| 03:09.03 | markybob | regardless, he's not using debian. it's over and done with |
| 03:10.12 | hdevalence | yes, it is. Sorry to bother you, and goodnight. |
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| 03:25.38 | izua | There were 2 people on a boat: /hop and /quit. /hop got off, who's still on the boat? |
| 03:26.21 | izua | anyone? :D |
| 03:26.33 | |Jason8| | /quit |
| 03:26.48 | adb | Buna Ziua |
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| 03:27.14 | shamm | anyone know "netgod"? |
| 03:27.36 | izua | meh . |
| 03:27.49 | izua | i was really hoping for bash.org material |
| 03:27.51 | izua | neaţa adb |
| 03:29.11 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | izua: your halirous |
| 03:29.24 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | try alt+f4 for fun though ;) |
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| 03:31.22 | izua | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe: that would just switch to terminal 4 |
| 03:31.54 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | no no not alt+4 alt+f4 :) |
| 03:32.42 | izua | oh yeah, well, it is kind of late |
| 03:33.22 | cHiLi_cO1_cArNe | well if u were using kde I would say press ctrl+alt+esc and have a clicking frenzy =) |
| 03:34.32 | izua | Ctrl+A, enter works better /methinks |
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| 03:50.43 | triplc | how much ram 64bit system use? i am using debian 32bit, "free -m" say that when enter X, it use 97MB (exclude buffer/cache) (running Lenny fluxbox, stardict loaded). I'd like to know whether it's worth to switch to 64bit OS. if 64bit os demand too much ram then maybe not |
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| 03:59.58 | triplc | i am really in doubt, for a my laptop, whether 32bit os or 64bit os, which one i better |
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| 04:02.55 | dbbolton | how can i find my computer's ip address on the local network from the terminal |
| 04:03.13 | triplc | ifconfig -a |
| 04:04.01 | dbbolton | is there a where to find out ip's and hostnames of other devices on the network? |
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| 04:05.53 | dbbolton | i mean, other than going to 192.168.1.1 in a browser |
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| 04:13.49 | pav5088 | I'm having some issues with enabling TLS in slapd... I've found that slapd in Debian is compiled against gnutls and not openssl, and I've discovered you need to use certtool because openssl doesn't produce certs that Debians slapd likes etc... but the documentation I've found is scattered, and the only potential start-to-finish doc lives on a website with an expired domain name (ie. www.linuxsecurityforum.org ) |
| 04:14.32 | pav5088 | I've done what I THINK should get me up and running, but it doesn't work (which is why I am here). |
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| 04:16.44 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 04:16.52 | man_in_shack | how do you increase the amount of memory latex can use? |
| 04:17.04 | pav5088 | These are the steps I took to create a CA key/cert pair, and a key/cert pair for my server : http://www.linuxsecurityforum.org/f5/how-to-create-a-certificate-authority-and-gnutls-t100.html |
| 04:17.10 | pav5088 | oops... wrong link |
| 04:17.20 | pav5088 | http://pastebin.com/m328f040f |
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| 04:20.41 | wald0 | is there any non-military license ? (a real one) |
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| 04:35.39 | wald0 | ok, everybody sleeps |
| 04:36.32 | Xenguy | wald0: non-military? |
| 04:36.41 | Xenguy | what does that mean? |
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| 04:37.22 | man_in_shack | anyone know how to increase the amount of memory pdflatex can use? |
| 04:37.52 | Xenguy | man_in_shack: no, but what is the actual problem? |
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| 04:38.28 | man_in_shack | probably something to do with a 95MB latex source file |
| 04:39.03 | Xenguy | hrm, that's big |
| 04:39.07 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 04:39.14 | man_in_shack | it has a very large table in it |
| 04:40.01 | man_in_shack | i figured latex would be able to handle big files better than html in webbrowsers :P |
| 04:40.20 | man_in_shack | same data adds up to 87MB of HTML :D |
| 04:40.44 | wald0 | Xenguy: like http://mindprod.com/contact/nonmil.html |
| 04:43.19 | Xenguy | wald0: ah, I get it; interesting |
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| 04:44.15 | Xenguy | you want a war-pig license ;-) |
| 04:44.21 | man_in_shack | mhm |
| 04:44.25 | man_in_shack | *hmm |
| 04:44.43 | man_in_shack | what would be a suitable format for rendering a table with 409,000 rows? |
| 04:45.11 | man_in_shack | actually, twice that :P |
| 04:45.30 | wald0 | Xenguy: there's specially a nice part on this text: The way I look at it, the military has become bloated out of all plausible motive for defense. It is a parasite on the planet. I donât in any way want to contribute to it. The way I look at it, if a nuclear war kills all six billion of us, the 1,000,000 people who had any hand in it, however indirect, each killed 6,000 people, dwarfing Timothy McVeighâs crime. I want absolutely no part of such criminality. |
| 04:45.41 | wald0 | that's the idea |
| 04:46.35 | wald0 | i have even found a patch of a similar-kind license for the GPL, but i think that it doesn't really exists such real license |
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| 04:47.03 | Xenguy | I can't help but agree; the military has become a huge business that perpetuates itself indefinitely via profit -- war pigs indeed |
| 04:47.20 | Xenguy | but I also acknowledge that technically this is OT :-) |
| 04:47.58 | wald0 | Xenguy: why OT ? im talking about a license to include on my free software |
| 04:48.22 | Xenguy | very well, I stand corrected :-) |
| 04:48.26 | jmarsden | It wouldn't be free software per the DFSG if you restricted it like that. |
| 04:49.19 | wald0 | jmarsden: that's true, but is free to contribute to this ? i mean... see the GPL, it has OBLIGATIONS, and its thank to these obligations that is that "free" |
| 04:49.55 | jmarsden | You could not get such software into Debian main, it is non-free by definition. |
| 04:50.26 | wald0 | is the war pigs free-like ? they kill inocent lifes without permissions, which kind of free is that ? im not going to contribute with my software to this kind of totally-anti-free things |
| 04:50.53 | jmarsden | This is a support channel for Debian, not a place for discussing hypothetical non-free licences. |
| 04:51.11 | wald0 | maybe debian needs to change their license :) |
| 04:52.16 | jmarsden | That is not a support issue. Feel free to propose such a change to the DFSG if you must. But not here. |
| 04:53.02 | wald0 | ok |
| 04:53.10 | jmarsden | http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 04:53.41 | Xenguy | wald0: I think that jmarsden is technically correct, but you are free to choose whatever license you want for software you create |
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| 04:55.31 | wald0 | lol, wtf is the point 9 jmarsden ? its that a joke ? GPL is the most used license in debian and its totally just what the point 9 says |
| 04:56.15 | jmarsden | read it more carefully. and again, this is not the place for a "Licencing 101" lesson. |
| 04:56.28 | wald0 | Xenguy: thanks, well, yes, im trying to find more information about this, and also "how much correct" is, because i think that even with this incorrectness, is more correct (well, similar things happens with gpl) |
| 04:57.09 | Xenguy | wald0: maybe it depends on what you value most: 'free' or 'non-military' ? |
| 04:58.25 | wald0 | Xenguy: personally i think that if my software contribute to that, it is less free... because is a contribution to the worst anti-free thing of the world |
| 04:58.34 | jmarsden | Guys... take it to #debian-offtopic ... or somewhere else... please. |
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| 04:59.10 | wald0 | jmarsden: i will better to go to the bed, its 7 am there |
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| 05:00.05 | Xenguy | jmarsden: I understand what you are asking; there is not much traffic here though, you'll admit :-) In any case, I must say good night soon, it is too late for me |
| 05:00.26 | konr|afk | how can I find out which package contains the binary foo? |
| 05:00.39 | Xenguy | wald0: choose according to your considered conscience |
| 05:00.49 | konr|afk | (in this case, foo = bunzip2) |
| 05:00.55 | jmarsden | konr|afk: dpkg -S `which foo` # if foo is in your $PATH |
| 05:01.27 | Xenguy | konr|afk: dpkg -S foo OR apt-file search foo |
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| 06:08.47 | cryptoD | hi |
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| 06:39.53 | ajavid | hi howdy howto |
| 06:39.56 | ajavid | debian stuff |
| 06:40.09 | ajavid | boredom at 1:40am what to do |
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| 06:40.15 | ajavid | anyone around in here? |
| 06:40.28 | JPT | mhh... 08:40 AM here... |
| 06:40.36 | JPT | 40min before i've got to go to school |
| 06:40.39 | JPT | ;) |
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| 06:41.35 | ajavid | cool |
| 06:41.39 | JPT | if you like music, use dizzler.com, imeem.com or grooveshark.com and try to discover some new sounds :) |
| 06:41.41 | ajavid | I don't have class until Tuesday |
| 06:41.46 | JPT | ooh.. |
| 06:41.48 | ajavid | nah... |
| 06:41.50 | ajavid | np: (Austrian Death Machine - Total Brutal - Come With Me If You Want To Live) - (Metal - 3:48 - 2008) |
| 06:41.52 | JPT | everybody has vacation.. |
| 06:41.56 | JPT | :-D |
| 06:41.57 | ajavid | I jam to the austian death machine |
| 06:42.05 | ajavid | Arnold Schwarnegger! |
| 06:42.17 | JPT | thats nice |
| 06:42.24 | ajavid | Arnie Arnie Arnie! Nobody beats Arnie! He is the Austian death machine! |
| 06:42.32 | JPT | how about chuck norris? :> |
| 06:42.44 | ajavid | hahaha, he is so tough, he doesn't have a chin under his beard |
| 06:42.51 | ajavid | chuck norris has aonther FIST under his beard! |
| 06:42.54 | ajavid | he is so tough ! |
| 06:42.54 | JPT | ^^ |
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| 06:43.11 | ajavid | JPT, hey man you can do offtopic in #debian-chat |
| 06:43.17 | ajavid | before we get yelled at |
| 06:43.26 | ajavid | but nothing is going on in here anyway |
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| 06:43.43 | JPT | well...i should pay more attention to this funny paper instead of chatting at all... |
| 06:43.49 | ajavid | funny paper? |
| 06:43.55 | ajavid | i wanna fun |
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| 06:44.30 | simonrvn | girls just wanna have fun |
| 06:44.33 | JPT | hmm...well it's not really funny.. |
| 06:44.51 | JPT | it's a psychological interpretation of a story about a girl without hands.. |
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| 06:45.14 | JPT | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_Without_Hands |
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| 06:45.44 | simonrvn | freaks himself out sometimes |
| 06:46.20 | cryptoD | anyway to tell apt to ignore some packages that i removed but my gnome depends on ? i just keeps telling me to auto remove my whole gnome |
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| 06:47.49 | superlinux | hi |
| 06:47.54 | nsadmin | cryptoD supposedly it's doing that because your system won't work without those packages |
| 06:47.56 | simonrvn | 'gnome' is not all the gnome packages, it's just one package |
| 06:48.10 | cryptoD | gnome is a metapackage right ? |
| 06:48.19 | cryptoD | i removed the accessibility stuff |
| 06:48.21 | nsadmin | yeah, which you could remove |
| 06:48.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:48.37 | cryptoD | but gnome-core isn't |
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| 06:49.10 | simonrvn | it's there to make it easier to install it, instead of typing a 20 word-long argument to aptitude install :P |
| 06:49.36 | superlinux | i just cannot run kde in parallel with gnome. i usually do: startx `which kdesktop` -- :1 from the real terminal to run KDE. |
| 06:49.40 | simonrvn | !install gnome |
| 06:49.40 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 06:49.54 | superlinux | and I dont want to kill gnome btw. |
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| 06:50.16 | simonrvn | i thought gnome-core was a meta-package ;) |
| 06:50.26 | cryptoD | i didnt know |
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| 06:50.40 | cryptoD | now its telling me to autoremove nautilus too ! |
| 06:50.51 | superlinux | can anyone help? thanks. |
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| 06:51.46 | simonrvn | superlinux: what's the question - more importantly, what are you trying to do? |
| 06:52.02 | simonrvn | cryptoD: um, you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 06:52.09 | cryptoD | both |
| 06:52.24 | superlinux | guys ! I can run for example openbox on a different instance of Xwindows |
| 06:52.35 | cryptoD | and both telling me to autoremove nautilus, gnome net tools and other important packages |
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| 06:52.55 | simonrvn | cryptoD: why? |
| 06:53.14 | cryptoD | thats what im trying to figure out |
| 06:53.48 | superlinux | I usually can run multiple instances of X using the command [ startx `which any_GUI_program` -- :1 ] . |
| 06:53.50 | simonrvn | superlinux: yes. old days i'd do something like: startx openbox -- :1 & |
| 06:54.18 | superlinux | but i still can for example with openbox and others |
| 06:54.26 | superlinux | with KDE I cannot |
| 06:54.32 | superlinux | it just gets killed |
| 06:54.39 | simonrvn | tried 'startkde' ? |
| 06:54.46 | superlinux | no! |
| 06:55.00 | superlinux | let me try.. btw you reminded me of it |
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| 06:55.32 | superlinux | simonrvn, that was it! |
| 06:55.36 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 06:55.46 | superlinux | it should be startkde |
| 06:56.13 | simonrvn | cryptoD: personally, i mostly run the ui, it lets me see everything at once, and a lot easier for me to manage, since it shows it visually, and you can see what it wants to do |
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| 06:58.37 | cryptoD | well i'll try the ui, i've never used it before |
| 06:58.39 | cryptoD | thanks |
| 06:58.50 | superlinux | simonrvn, how can i get the count of the displays of X being run? |
| 06:59.01 | superlinux | what do you think is best? |
| 07:00.41 | simonrvn | ps auxw | grep X | wc -l ? ;) |
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| 07:00.51 | superlinux | maybe |
| 07:01.16 | superlinux | simonrvn, so you think every display will be a process? |
| 07:01.35 | simonrvn | um, yeh |
| 07:01.58 | superlinux | let me say: pidof X | wc -w |
| 07:02.04 | superlinux | easier |
| 07:02.08 | JPT | returns 1 here |
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| 07:02.25 | simonrvn | superlinux: mm, yes |
| 07:02.33 | JPT | has got two screens |
| 07:02.52 | JPT | count the "Section Screen" stuff in your xorg.conf |
| 07:03.10 | superlinux | simonrvn, you are correct |
| 07:03.26 | superlinux | i mean right |
| 07:04.10 | superlinux | cos this way i can make a small script to run anything on X anytime |
| 07:05.08 | superlinux | count = expr $(pidof X | wc -w) + 1 ; sort of that line |
| 07:05.50 | JPT | huh?... |
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| 07:06.45 | superlinux | JPT, it's about running a new instance of X |
| 07:06.57 | JPT | hmm..well..okay.. |
| 07:07.14 | superlinux | so i can run a new program or desktop or wm |
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| 07:07.21 | JPT | i was thinking about physical displays |
| 07:07.23 | JPT | :) |
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| 07:19.26 | omid8bimo | http://100psequence.blogspot.com/2009/08/chrome-commands.html |
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| 07:28.19 | ajavid | dpkg hi |
| 07:28.19 | dpkg | hello, ajavid |
| 07:28.35 | ajavid | dpkg hi |
| 07:28.36 | dpkg | what's up |
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| 07:28.41 | ajavid | doh |
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| 07:29.20 | omid8bimo | :) |
| 07:29.20 | sunkan | I'm having problems running 2.6.30.1 or newer vanilla kernels as domU. Anyone know whether this is a problem with Lennys Xen or a general problem with the kernel? |
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| 07:30.41 | omid8bimo | sunkan: i'm running .30-1 normally on my sid and works pretty fine |
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| 07:33.00 | ajavid | http://lericson.se/news/irssi-python/ <-- whoah! |
| 07:33.03 | ajavid | fucking sweet |
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| 07:33.31 | ajavid | dude python module for irssi would kick so much ass |
| 07:33.36 | ajavid | damn. |
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| 07:34.19 | sunkan | omid8bimo: Ok, but is that a debian kernel? Then it may well have som fix in it.. |
| 07:35.08 | omid8bimo | sunkan: yes it's debian kernel from debian unstable repos |
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| 07:36.41 | nsadmin | and you're running unstable? |
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| 07:40.07 | nsadmin | oh, you are... |
| 07:41.47 | nsadmin | sunkan why are you interested in running the newer kernels? |
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| 07:43.31 | flourish | question. Howto prevent someone use nmap to see my system info |
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| 07:43.58 | peterrooney | flourish: don't have any services running on your system. |
| 07:44.15 | nevyn | that's about the only option |
| 07:44.20 | sunkan | nsadmin: Well, it's more or less because it's fun to know what is going on with the development of the kernel. And since I have 2.6.30 running I would not expect things to break when going up to 2.6.30.5, but as I said it breaks for me when going to 2.6.30.1 but I see no general problems with this on the linux kernel mailing list.. |
| 07:44.25 | flourish | peterrooney: but since it runs a lot of service, then should i do |
| 07:45.31 | nsadmin | you can't prevent them from running nmap |
| 07:45.43 | peterrooney | flourish: look into package 'harden-servers' for suggestions on how to minimize information exposure. |
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| 07:47.00 | peterrooney | change the default ssh challenge, un-version the apache error messages; etc. |
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| 07:48.01 | sunkan | omid8bimo: I see now that 2.6.30-1 does not include the 2.6.30.1 patches.. 2.6.30-2 does though.. |
| 07:48.44 | Reis | hi i am using debian 5.00 shell i tried to kill a telnet process on my shell account with kill (process id) but i couldnt kill i checked documents and applicate them on the shell but that process still runs got anyone idea for me |
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| 07:49.02 | Reis | 8424 pts/5 R+ 0:00 ps -x |
| 07:49.16 | peterrooney | flourish: you can't offer a service without some details becoming available. what are you really trying to do? hide version information? move services to non-standard ports? |
| 07:49.21 | Reis | opps sorry wrong one |
| 07:49.38 | Reis | 29166 ? S 0:00 ./psybnc |
| 07:50.42 | nsadmin | sunkan: that's as good a reason as any... so you know that going back to a somewhat earlier version works? |
| 07:50.52 | Reis | hi i am using debian 5.00 shell i tried to kill a telnet process on my shell account with kill (process id) but i couldnt kill i checked documents and applicate them on the shell but that process still runs got anyone idea for me 29166 ? S 0:00 ./psybnc |
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| 07:51.09 | peterrooney | flourish: or are you trying to block one persistantly annoying stranger? |
| 07:51.25 | Pericius | how to execute command that requires sudo in .bashrc? |
| 07:51.55 | nsadmin | Pericius: why are you trying to do that? what command? |
| 07:51.55 | jelly | Pericius: same as in an interactive shell, sudo something |
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| 07:52.18 | peterrooney | Reis: kill -15 ${whatever the pid is} and if that does not work, follow with kill -9 $pid |
| 07:52.28 | Pericius | mount something |
| 07:52.49 | Pericius | jelly: and if i didn't want to provide password for it? |
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| 07:53.00 | nsadmin | put the thing you want to mount in fstab |
| 07:53.03 | jelly | Pericius: you'd configure sudo not to ask for it |
| 07:53.06 | peterrooney | Pericius: why not do it once in /etc/fstab, before starting a shell? |
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| 07:53.33 | nsadmin | and add the noauto and user options |
| 07:53.34 | peterrooney | all: that's two XYs in a row! |
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| 07:53.45 | Reis | peterrooney:thanks mate its worked :) |
| 07:53.47 | jelly | but there are other options for mounting, right |
| 07:53.53 | Pericius | no, that won't work, since i'm using proprietary mount (i think) from virtual box... "mount -t vboxsf bla bla" doesn't work there |
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| 07:54.08 | SparFux1 | Hello. I have a file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ia32-apt-get-transitional.list flying around and it was most likely created by installation process. Can I savely delete it in recent debian unstable? aptitude update doesn't find any file for it anyway. |
| 07:54.09 | ArtVandalae | hi guys, I want to install sid. I know that I can do netinst of Lenny then change /etc/apt/sources.list and then dist-upgrade. But I recall having an installer option once upon a time, allowing you to choose which branch of Debian you wanted. e.g stable, testing, unstable. Is this option still available somewhere as an option? |
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| 07:54.14 | jelly | Pericius: sure it'll work |
| 07:54.21 | Pericius | i'm using "mount.vboxsf shared folder localfolder" |
| 07:54.23 | sunkan | nsadmin: Yes, I actually compiled .5, .4, .3 etc. down to .30 when it started working again.. Then I did an extra try with .30.1 and it fails to start. I found debian bug 537783 which seems similar, but I'm not sure whether that is a dom0 or domU problem seems like dom0 to mee though.. |
| 07:54.43 | Pericius | jelly: it doesn't work, it's a known issue on some configs |
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| 07:55.05 | jelly | Pericius: oh, you mean it's a bug |
| 07:55.11 | Pericius | yeah |
| 07:55.13 | nsadmin | sunkan: oh, yeah, I was gonna mention the bts too, but you are already aware of it |
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| 07:55.44 | Pericius | anyway, what i want it to do is to mount it when i first login, that's all... |
| 07:56.01 | peterrooney | Pericius: then editing your sudoers file seems like the best way to go - man suders / NOPASSWD |
| 07:56.02 | jelly | Pericius: if it's good enough to mount it at boot time (as opposed to diong it only when you log in), you can use rc.local |
| 07:56.11 | jelly | !rc.local |
| 07:56.11 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 07:56.17 | peterrooney | Pericius: man sudoers, even. |
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| 07:56.29 | Pericius | jelly: actually, rc.local is even better |
| 07:56.53 | jelly | uses the even uglier rc.boot |
| 07:56.57 | jelly | !rc.boot |
| 07:56.58 | dpkg | [rc.boot] a quick and easy way to run things at boot time. Simply put a short script in the /etc/rc.boot directory that does what you want. For the full blown and flexible way of doing it "right": see init.d, or obsolete |
| 07:56.59 | sunkan | I was hoping maybe Bastion (the reporter, and maintainer I beleive) was going to be here I guess he would know exactly what that bug describes. |
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| 07:57.05 | nsadmin | jelly: but if he can do it in rc.local he can also do it in fstab (which is probably where it belongs) |
| 07:57.24 | jelly | nsadmin: probably, but hey |
| 07:57.43 | SparFux1 | Ah, I got rid of it. Just had to purge ia32-apt-get. |
| 07:58.02 | Pericius | nsadmin: "mount -t vboxsf <shared folder> <local folder> |
| 07:58.02 | jelly | there might be race conditions and dependencies on vbox services/drivers |
| 07:58.09 | Pericius | nsadmin: doesn't work |
| 07:58.13 | Pericius | protocol error |
| 07:58.36 | Pericius | nsadmin: but "mount.vboxsf <shared> <local>" does |
| 07:59.09 | sunkan | Umm.. s/Bastion/Bastian of course.. |
| 07:59.12 | omid8bimo | sunkan: yeah .30-2 is more update |
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| 08:00.12 | martin12345 | how can I view what webserver the website uses? |
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| 08:00.29 | Pericius | martin12345: there were extensions for ffox |
| 08:00.46 | sunkan | Is it ok to comment on a bug when it is closed? I mean.. I don't feel that it clearly states whether the problem was for dom0, domU or both. |
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| 08:01.08 | nsadmin | martin12345: we were just talking about ways for website admins to prevent specific info from being handed out to just anyone |
| 08:01.36 | martin12345 | Pericius: ok, but is there some kin of command line utility for this? |
| 08:01.49 | Pericius | martin12345: probably yes... |
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| 08:02.27 | jelly | martin12345: sure. wget will show http response headers if asked to |
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| 08:02.54 | jelly | many other tools will, too. Eg. libwww-perl example GET and HEAD commands |
| 08:02.59 | sunkan | Or maybe it does, did not read the actual stack trace (since I normally don't understand them very well). But it says "Guest stack trace" so then it must be domU |
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| 08:03.26 | sunkan | Will try to see if I can find the fix Bastian did and apply it on my vanilla kernel.. |
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| 08:03.46 | jelly | HEAD http://www.google.com/ | grep ^Server: |
| 08:03.55 | jelly | Server: gws |
| 08:04.14 | martin12345 | jelly: thanks! "wget -S google.com" did the job |
| 08:04.23 | nsadmin | sunkan given your curiousity, it would seem natural for you to learn more about it |
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| 08:06.24 | sunkan | nsadmin: Yes.. but I'm just a terrible programmer.. But have been compiling stuff for my needs since ages so I usually cope anyway somehow.. |
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| 08:06.57 | techouse | hey |
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| 08:07.39 | techouse | i updated squeeze and now any of the vga modes won't work; has it maybe got anything to do with grub being updated? |
| 08:07.49 | ONE_PATE | hey |
| 08:08.02 | nsadmin | techouse: check the bts |
| 08:08.02 | ONE_PATE | have apache local installed and twiki( wiki software) it runs! |
| 08:08.03 | ONE_PATE | but |
| 08:08.14 | techouse | i get something like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=929965 <-- last post on this page |
| 08:08.18 | techouse | nsadmin: bts? |
| 08:08.21 | techouse | what's that |
| 08:08.33 | ONE_PATE | when i will create new topic, iget a message RCS: failed to create fiel path : 13 |
| 08:08.35 | nsadmin | it's where known problems are archived |
| 08:08.50 | nsadmin | it's where people report problems to |
| 08:09.19 | nsadmin | it's... the... |
| 08:09.54 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 08:09.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 08:09.54 | techouse | yea, found it by hgoogle |
| 08:09.54 | techouse | google |
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| 08:10.35 | ONE_PATE | can someone help me????? |
| 08:10.40 | sunkan | Yes, it works now.. a one line change in arch/x86/kernel/cpu/amd.c the only thing I don't know now is whether this is debian specific or not? (which for me means that I either will need to patch this for myself all the time or if it will be fixed in vanilla kernel) |
| 08:11.31 | nsadmin | sunkan: why not either file a new bug report or reopen the old one you mentioned |
| 08:11.42 | mbruins | is it possible to download a net install of testing? |
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| 08:13.00 | mbruins | already got it :x |
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| 08:13.07 | sunkan | nsadmin: Maybe will do that.. Otherwise I guess it will be pretty clear when new kernels are released.. If they still have the problem for me but not for people running plain Xen on 2.6.18 kernel.. |
| 08:13.11 | mbruins | srry for asking |
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| 08:15.46 | nsadmin | sunkan: how'd you find out about the fix? |
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| 08:17.49 | sunkan | nsadmin: Skimmed through the patches in the debian kernel source.. Bastian mentioned pci access stuff, and his patch is called debian/patches/bugfix/x86/arch-kernel-cpu-amd-pci-access.diff so it was rather easy to find |
| 08:17.59 | ret | Um, I'm trying to install Steam via WINE and I'm having trouble |
| 08:18.39 | ret | ret:/home/ret# wine /home/ret/Desktop/SteamInstall.msi |
| 08:18.39 | ret | wine: could not load L"Z:\\home\\ret\\Desktop\\SteamInstall.msi": Bad EXE format for |
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| 08:19.52 | nsadmin | sunkan: oh ok, so he already knows about it |
| 08:21.07 | sunkan | nsadmin: Yes, it seems so.. I just didn't fully understand his bug report at first. |
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| 08:22.11 | nsadmin | oh ok, well anyway it's good that you were able to figure things out |
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| 08:23.16 | ONE_PATE | xcan never help mee?? |
| 08:24.52 | jelly | ret: .msi cannot be executed by themselves, I think you have to use msiexec |
| 08:25.05 | sunkan | nsadmin: Yes, have been wondering for a few days now.. But did not bother checking it until today.. |
| 08:26.24 | mbruins | !pure-ftpd |
| 08:26.24 | dpkg | Pure-FTPd is a free (BSD), secure, production-quality and standard-conformant FTP server based upon Troll-FTPd, packaged for Debian. http://www.pureftpd.org/ ##pureftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
| 08:26.25 | sunkan | nsadmin: Thanks for helping out anyway.. Always easier to think when you can throw questions to other people about things.. |
| 08:26.41 | mbruins | pure-ftpd is not in the repos anymore? |
| 08:27.26 | nsadmin | judd versions pure-ftpd |
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| 08:27.30 | judd | nsadmin: pure-ftpd -- etch: 1.0.21-8 lenny: 1.0.21-11.4 sid: 1.0.22-1+b1 |
| 08:27.58 | mbruins | hm raar ik heb contrib en non-free al geadd |
| 08:27.59 | nsadmin | looks like it's missing from squeeze |
| 08:28.38 | nsadmin | sunkan: np |
| 08:28.47 | nevyn | I should put these disks in the mythbackend ... sigh |
| 08:28.52 | nevyn | I hate dealing with hardware... |
| 08:28.54 | Maulkin | # 524419,526935 |
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| 08:43.04 | Dryanta | hey guysd |
| 08:43.22 | Dryanta | how do i set up startup scripts and inetd stuff |
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| 08:46.59 | cemc | hi. where can I find some older debian iso's ? like 5.0.1-netinst |
| 08:47.44 | cemc | ([boot] is sending p0rn links in privs) |
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| 08:48.36 | simonrvn | !ops [boot] on-join spam |
| 08:48.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: [boot] on-join spam |
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| 08:50.50 | cemc | never mind, found the archives |
| 08:50.54 | simonrvn | it got booted :P |
| 08:51.07 | cemc | saw that ;) |
| 08:51.14 | hiwk | cemc: http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:51.18 | hiwk | cemc: oh :) |
| 08:51.31 | cemc | hiwk: thanks anyway :) |
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| 08:53.32 | gum2tux | does debian lenny 32-bit/x86 having the limitation of support to maximum of 4GB memory size just like Windows 32-bit ? |
| 08:54.06 | OpenTokix | gum2tux: yes, but you can use a bigmem-kernel to enable PAE-extensions, just like the /3GB switch in windows. |
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| 08:55.59 | gum2tux | that's mean it is due to 32-bit limitation rather than O/S itself, unless i enable the PAE thing - as u said. |
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| 08:57.33 | osfd | Hi guys...Do you know if it's possible to set up a keyboard combo that would do a right click. Somethinf like Win+Alt+R gives right click |
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| 08:58.54 | OpenTokix | gum2tux: Not many OS:es that can handle more memory in 32bit env. |
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| 09:01.02 | gum2tux | OpenTokix, thanks for info |
| 09:01.16 | liable | osfd: xmodmap possibly |
| 09:01.26 | liable | osfd: or your WM i suppose |
| 09:02.47 | ONE_PATE | In this case, you need to unlock all repository files (check the RCS man pages) and lock them with a different user, such as www-data, or delete them all " |
| 09:02.54 | ONE_PATE | \how to do that with RCS ?? |
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| 09:03.25 | osfd | liable: would that be possible to set up that directly in KDE ? |
| 09:03.47 | liable | osfd: i would imagine so. |
| 09:04.08 | liable | osfd: it has a section in the control centre thingo for doing key combo things |
| 09:04.28 | osfd | liable: in kcontrol... |
| 09:04.48 | Maleko | i have a question about firestarter and iptables |
| 09:04.59 | Maleko | when we save rules in firestarter, does it actually save and convert those rules into iptables standard rules? |
| 09:06.21 | osfd | liable: it's Shift+F10... |
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| 09:12.59 | liable | osfd: cool |
| 09:13.48 | krushik | what should I use to implement automounting of removable devices? |
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| 09:15.35 | phiwer | does anyone have a solution to the problem of fans constantly running on low speed (3k rpm)? |
| 09:15.54 | phiwer | It's an x60 laptop. I did not have this problem until I did an upgrade however.. |
| 09:16.00 | NetEcho | is it possible to install debian over the net on top of an exisiting distro such as centos to get rid of the old distro? |
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| 09:18.54 | gngkai | hi |
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| 09:19.25 | gngkai | about that recent kernel bug (NULL pointer vulnerability)... |
| 09:19.44 | gngkai | I read debian already released new kernel packages with fix |
| 09:19.53 | gngkai | anyone can confirm? |
| 09:19.57 | tzafrir_laptop | NetEcho, what do you mean by "over an existing distro"? Do you want to save data from the existing installation? |
| 09:20.44 | NetEcho | tzafrir_laptop I only have ssh access to it |
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| 09:21.47 | tzafrir_laptop | NetEcho, basically you can use the debootstrap method ("install from a different unix") |
| 09:22.20 | tzafrir_laptop | but it's tricky |
| 09:22.42 | NetEcho | ah |
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| 09:48.23 | tonybaba | Hi. Does someone know how I can find the position of my cursor (x, y of pixel) |
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| 09:58.31 | eoke | tonybaba: What environment and language? |
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| 10:00.37 | tonybaba | well... I log into my system using GDM with an openbox session. Would that be an X environment? I am quite new to the linux scene. eoke |
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| 10:02.45 | soa2ii | Hi! Anyone here set up mailman on lenny? I just instlled it (mailman seem to work because I got the initial mail from the mailman list) but my apache connection does not work... I just pasted http://dpaste.com/87629/ into my vhost configuration... domain.tld/pipermail works... but not domain.tld/mailmain... it returns a simply 404 not found... any ideas what i could have missed? |
| 10:02.59 | pengwen | Hi, im sry for being somewhat off-topic, but after distr-upgrading a server im fighting with courier and authmysql. it simply wont connect to mysql at all, and gives no info with debuglogging turned on (except for my inputs and the fact that i cant log inn) |
| 10:05.22 | eoke | tonybaba: Take a look at http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/XQueryPointer.3.html but you might have a whole lot of ground work you need to put in first before you'll be able to use it. |
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| 10:06.39 | Walex | pengwen: BTW some people dislike courier as it is a rather odd beast... |
| 10:07.00 | Walex | pengwen: can you connect to MySQL yourself? |
| 10:07.25 | pengwen | yes, with the same pwd and username as in the authmysqlrc |
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| 10:07.57 | pengwen | i've also tried with a different username to be sure it dosnt end up as a loginfailure in mysql.log |
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| 10:08.39 | Walex | pengwen: then next step may be if connecting over TCP to uyse 'tcpdump' and trace the connection to MySQL to see if Courier does it right. |
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| 10:11.24 | Martin_vW | hello... when I want to parse a program's output, do I set LANG=C or LC_ALL=C? |
| 10:11.32 | pengwen | Walex: btw, what would be a more likeable beast? |
| 10:12.00 | Walex | pengwen: depends a bit on what you want to do with it, how large your user base is. |
| 10:12.11 | Rahim | will 'apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade' install the latest packages from backports? |
| 10:12.18 | Acheron | Anyone know how I can use a script call to hide the mouse cursor? |
| 10:12.40 | pengwen | Walex: very small, but both the coice of impad and teh setup is not mine |
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| 10:13.24 | Walex | pengwen: for small setups most people use Dovecot, as using mySQL as a mailstore is a bit overkill. |
| 10:13.31 | Rahim | how can i upgrade all the packages from Backports repo? |
| 10:14.15 | Walex | pengwen: wait a bit, I'll try to find again an article discussing Courier and alternatives. |
| 10:14.49 | pengwen | Walex: its something like 30 users and about 200 aliases, so yes i think mysql is somewhat overkill, but reconfiguring postfix and postfix-admin should have been more work then getting courier-imap working again |
| 10:15.26 | PassingStranger | does somebody know if floppy streamers are still supported in most recent kernels? QIC-80 and its ilk... |
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| 10:17.29 | Walex | PassingStranger: the drivers are still there, whether they still work is another thing. |
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| 10:18.41 | corellian | hi, where can I find the package dependencies of plesk 8.6.0? I'm trying to upgrade from etch to lenny and the system has a plesk8.6.0 installed. |
| 10:20.30 | Walex | pengwen: http://diymacserver.com/2009/06/13/switching-from-courier-to-dovecot/ |
| 10:20.46 | Walex | pengwen: that's not quite the one I was looking for but has a nice pointer to a comparison chart |
| 10:20.59 | pengwen | Walex: thanks |
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| 10:21.28 | PassingStranger | Walex: Thanks! I'll have a go at them then. this is about restoring old, old backups... :) |
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| 10:22.17 | Walex | PassingStranger: as you will shortly discover, refreshing backups by transferring them to newer media is a very useful strategy :-) |
| 10:23.08 | JyZyXEL | how do you use xrandr over ssh? |
| 10:23.37 | PassingStranger | Walex: I already know. =) The question is whether these tapes are still readable. and whether the software can cope with those blobs... ;) |
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| 10:24.27 | Walex | Walex: it may be easier to find sw that can read the blobs than actually working drives and drivers for them. But you may be lucky. |
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| 10:24.45 | Walex | JyZyXEL: no special way |
| 10:24.53 | JyZyXEL | wht |
| 10:25.37 | Walex | pengwen: whatever you do don't switch to Cyrus; here is the article I was thingkng of: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2009/03/15/why-cyrus-sucks/ |
| 10:26.36 | jelly | PassingStranger: it might be an interesting exercise to find out whether a 2.4 kernel works on your current hardware... |
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| 10:27.00 | Walex | pengwen: and this is the article I was thinking about for conversion: http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000601.html |
| 10:27.07 | pengwen | Walex: i still have a gut feeling that changing imapd will give me more to debug, but i could be wrong... |
| 10:27.07 | jelly | doesn't want anything to be interesting when doing restores |
| 10:27.50 | maxagaz | is it possible to get the uid from the username ? |
| 10:28.11 | maxagaz | sorry, i mean the contrary |
| 10:29.10 | Walex | maxagaz: sort of; hae a look at 'getent passwd' |
| 10:29.29 | PassingStranger | jelly: yeah. i'm about going to find that out... ;) |
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| 10:30.42 | PassingStranger | Walex: yes, that's one of the thoughts i had. probably it would be way easier to find a copy of win98 and that backup software... :( |
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| 10:32.47 | vinit | i have installed dovecot 1.0.15 on debian linux and it si working fine until i chnaged the password of any mail user |
| 10:32.58 | petemc | maxagaz: awk -F: '/USERNAME/{print $3}' /etc/passwd |
| 10:33.46 | vinit | after changing password i am able to do ssh and other services |
| 10:34.17 | vinit | but mail application gives authentication failed error |
| 10:35.02 | vinit | Please help me whoever can guide me to soleve this issue |
| 10:35.36 | petemc | vinit: you can set auth_debug=yes and auth_debug_passwords=yes |
| 10:35.48 | jelly | PassingStranger: I bet there are some obscure mini distros that have latest 2.4 |
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| 10:37.37 | exn | guys, anybody knows clustering filesystem with quota (usr/gr) support ? |
| 10:37.54 | exn | to make something like raid1 |
| 10:38.35 | PassingStranger | jelly: besides finding the 'matching' software to that ancient hardware, i wonder how many people on this planet a) would be interested in a writeup afterwards b) could actually provide some in-depth knowledge. Hmm, sounds almost like a waste of time... ;) |
| 10:39.38 | phiwer | is there any way of finding out which options a module has been loaded with? my thinkpad_acpi module does not seem to react to me setting the fan speed manually. |
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| 10:47.45 | crzedmonk | hi |
| 10:47.55 | PassingStranger | Walex: jelly: thank you very much for your time! |
| 10:47.59 | techouse | i installed squeeze on my asus eee 701; now there's a problem - each time i boot the system with the mouse plugged in (usb) the touchpad ain't working; i think it has something to do with xorg.conf being empty, dunno |
| 10:49.02 | fireba11 | techouse: xorg.conf is empty by default now |
| 10:49.19 | techouse | yea, i know |
| 10:49.20 | pengwen | is there an easy way to setup something that binds to a port and show whatever trafic tries to connect to that port? |
| 10:49.34 | techouse | but how do i fix the touchpad thing without filling xorg.conf? |
| 10:49.41 | Walex | pengwen: yes. |
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| 10:49.59 | techouse | and if i have to, how? i tried reconfiguring xorg, it's still empty or won't make any graphics |
| 10:50.05 | Walex | exn: what? |
| 10:50.14 | petemc | pengwen: netcat |
| 10:50.27 | techouse | pengwen: iptraf? |
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| 10:51.05 | pengwen | petemc: thanks |
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| 10:54.04 | HenkdeVries | Hi I'm getting some issues on a 64 bit server that always start with this error: "Unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffff8866b580 RIP", now the address is the same for every issue, so i'm guessing a bad ram address. How do I tell the kernel to skip the regeon of ram where this addres is? |
| 10:54.52 | Walex | HenkdeVries: that looks like a pointer error (kernel bug) not a bad ram issue, |
| 10:55.24 | Walex | HenkdeVries: anyhow there is a kernel patch called "BadRam" that adds the ability to skip bad ram regions intelligently. |
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| 10:56.00 | chellomere | HenkdeVries, did you try memtest86+ already? |
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| 10:58.52 | HenkdeVries | Walex: I'm running that same kernel on a few servers with the same hardware that do not have the issues. This error is showing up with that exact 8866b580 address, so my guess was hardware. Memtest will take a long time and since this is a production server I'd rather not have it down for that long. I was hoping for a 'quick fix" by finding out what the regeon of ram wat as skipping this with the memmap=xMx option untill i replace the ram |
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| 11:00.28 | chellomere | HenkdeVries, I believe ffffffff8866b580 is the address of the _code_, not the memory it is trying to access |
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| 11:01.24 | HenkdeVries | hmm so in that case it must be a kernel bug? |
| 11:01.30 | Walex | HenkdeVries: that again looks like a pointer error... "Unable to handle kernel paging request" means that the address that follows is invalid, that is unmappable. |
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| 11:02.54 | chellomere | Walex, oh, so ffffffff8866b580 would be the memory it tries to map anyway? |
| 11:03.33 | Walex | chellomere: can't remember, but the full error message report both the adress of the code and the address that fails.' |
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| 11:04.51 | Walex | chellomere: just checked and that is the address that cannot be mapped, and then in 'eip' is the address where the error coccurred |
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| 11:05.04 | chellomere | Walex, ok |
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| 11:05.21 | Walex | chellomere: oopps, that is architecture dependent. |
| 11:05.23 | CalJohn | where is dpkg? |
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| 11:06.03 | martin12345 | am I roght, that "canonical name" for Gmail is mail.google.com? |
| 11:06.06 | martin12345 | *right |
| 11:06.08 | chellomere | Walex, yeah. but I assume he meant amd64 with '64 bit server' |
| 11:06.23 | HenkdeVries | I'll check in the logs if the 'EIP; address is the same for all the errors |
| 11:06.27 | Walex | chellomere: ah yes but I did a web search for example and got others. |
| 11:06.32 | HenkdeVries | yes sorry amd64 |
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| 11:06.52 | Walex | HenkdeVries: what you want to check is the address that fails, not just where it fails. |
| 11:07.03 | chellomere | RIP would perhaps be the equivalent on amd64? as I believe that the 64-bit equivalent of EAX is RAX... |
| 11:07.17 | Walex | chellomere: Isuspect so. |
| 11:07.34 | chellomere | yeah, my guess was correct |
| 11:07.35 | CalJohn | I assume the way to get sun's java code and use it for everything is simply to get the sun-java6* packages? Or is there some other configuration to be done |
| 11:08.49 | Walex | chellomere: HenkdeVries: an example of report: http://bugs.gentoo.org/148838 |
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| 11:09.33 | Walex | chellomere: HenkdeVries: the address before RIP: is the address that failed, the instruction where the bug manifested follows "RIP:" |
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| 11:09.56 | HenkdeVries | http://pastebin.com/m78d60c9f |
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| 11:11.14 | Walex | HenkdeVries: it looks like a bug in the "dentry_open" which may point to some filesystem corruption,. |
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| 11:13.12 | Walex | HenkdeVries: or perhaps some IO error. look at your logs to see if there were IO errors on your storage devices |
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| 11:15.50 | HenkdeVries | I'm not seeing any IO errors and the raid card is not reporting any problems |
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| 11:17.43 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uZxI-rwa2A |
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| 11:19.04 | flokuehn | hi. what is the way to configure debsecan for only getting an email if there are fixes for the packages? |
| 11:19.32 | HenkdeVries | I'm going to install a different kernel maybe that will end my suffering |
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| 11:24.22 | JyZyXEL | gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-686 i wonder if the module from that package could be used with 2.6.30 too |
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| 11:25.19 | chellomere | JyZyXEL, definitely not. |
| 11:25.49 | chellomere | JyZyXEL, modules need to be compiled against the EXACT correct version of the kernel to even load. |
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| 11:29.43 | HenkdeVries | Ok thank you Walex and chellomere, i've upgraded the kernel and i'm doing some extended filesystem checks now. That you for the help with pointing me into a different direction than the badram notion. I'm offline for now |
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| 11:30.12 | JyZyXEL | :[ |
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| 11:32.05 | chellomere | JyZyXEL, you will need to find one that either is compiled for your exact kernel (that means that it also should have the exact same patches, and be compiled with the same compiler) or compile it yourself. |
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| 11:32.45 | JyZyXEL | ill compile one myself then |
| 11:33.06 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: uhm, it's already in the .30 kernel |
| 11:33.08 | JyZyXEL | it is? |
| 11:34.00 | JyZyXEL | lol i just didn't push the USB plug deep enough |
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| 11:44.11 | CalJohn | Which package is javac in? (Sun's) |
| 11:44.39 | abrotman | probably sun-java6-jdk |
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| 11:44.42 | abrotman | !tell CalJohn about apt-file |
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| 11:48.01 | CalJohn | abrotman: ok, so I have it install at /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/bin/javac, it's just not on the path |
| 11:48.25 | nevyn | CalJohn: update-java-alternatives |
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| 11:48.53 | nevyn | CalJohn: this redirects javac java classlib etc.. to the right stuff for a given java you've got installed. |
| 11:49.06 | CalJohn | nevyn: cool, thanks |
| 11:49.19 | CalJohn | dpkg doesn't mention this, maybe it should be changed so that it does? |
| 11:49.21 | dpkg | CalJohn: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 11:50.54 | abrotman | CalJohn: dpkg doesn't mention this where? |
| 11:51.15 | abrotman | dpkg: java alternatives |
| 11:51.15 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
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| 11:51.33 | CalJohn | abrotman: in "install java" |
| 11:51.50 | CalJohn | dpkg: install java |
| 11:51.50 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 11:51.59 | abrotman | ah .. it is mentioned in |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | !java |
| 11:52.01 | dpkg | java is, like, a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:52.13 | CalJohn | yes, and i just set it to be mentioned in |
| 11:52.15 | CalJohn | !javac |
| 11:52.15 | dpkg | i guess javac is something that you need to do update-java-alternatives to get, once you have installed a jdk |
| 11:52.40 | abrotman | added |
| 11:52.41 | CalJohn | i don't think i am allowed to change existing entries |
| 11:52.48 | nevyn | !javac |
| 11:52.49 | dpkg | i heard javac is something that you need to do update-java-alternatives to get, once you have installed a jdk |
| 11:52.56 | nevyn | wfm |
| 11:53.03 | abrotman | that's not a very useful factoid |
| 11:53.24 | CalJohn | it's not, i suppose |
| 11:53.39 | nevyn | it solves CalJohn's exact problem tho. |
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| 11:54.14 | nevyn | well sortof he had the wrong javac.. because java requires all these binaries in the path be consistant from the same java implementation |
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| 11:59.16 | abrotman | but now "install java" mentions "java alternatives" .. which is what he wants |
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| 12:18.42 | flower | can I download debian testing with kde4 on cd? |
| 12:19.24 | abrotman | you maybe could .. but it would be out of date tomorrow |
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| 12:19.55 | Vendredi | On s'emmerde |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | no? |
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| 12:39.22 | nevyn | anyone a mdadm expert? |
| 12:40.00 | nevyn | I'm thinking of making chunksize 512k on my new 3x1tb array. it's mostly used for media so a little slack space isn't a big problem pro's/cons? |
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| 12:43.35 | nevyn | anyone know how to scroll back in screen? |
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| 12:44.29 | xeon-enouf | nevyn: shift+pageup? |
| 12:44.34 | abrotman | ctrl-a esc .. go into copy mode |
| 12:44.50 | jelly | ctrl-a [ will change to scrollback |
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| 12:45.15 | jelly | then one can use cursor or pgup / pgdown |
| 12:45.33 | jelly | exit with eg. two spaces |
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| 12:46.25 | oreo | how come the sum of the %RAM used showed in "ps aux" amounts for much less than the used RAM in /proc/meminfo? |
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| 12:46.35 | jelly | xeon-enouf's suggestion usually accesses the terminal scrollback instead of screen's, which is not what was asked |
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| 12:47.28 | xeon-enouf | oreo: http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
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| 12:48.23 | oreo | (is it normal for lighttp+php5, mysql5, exim4, and dovecot to consume 332 MB of RAM in a VPS?) |
| 12:48.41 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 12:50.07 | oreo | xeon-enouf: ? |
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| 12:51.15 | PassingStranger | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6830/1/ |
| 12:52.50 | oreo | PassingStranger: so basically i have to write a script that parses /proc/pid |
| 12:52.59 | oreo | and then i can see which services consume the most |
| 12:53.33 | PassingStranger | oreo: not necessarily. there is one available on that site... |
| 12:53.49 | oreo | oh nice |
| 12:53.52 | oreo | thanks for that link |
| 12:54.03 | xeon-enouf | the URL i posted leads to a utility for that |
| 12:54.36 | xeon-enouf | but i guess reading and scrolling is too awefully complicated |
| 12:55.06 | oreo | xeon-enouf: xmap? |
| 12:55.10 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: ;) |
| 12:55.11 | oreo | exmap* |
| 12:55.29 | xeon-enouf | meminfo |
| 12:55.45 | PassingStranger | there's another one still: smem. pretty decent if you ask me... |
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| 12:57.16 | PassingStranger | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ |
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| 12:58.11 | oreo | PassingStranger: using the python script, the total gives 64,436 MB |
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| 12:58.35 | xeon-enouf | 65G? heh |
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| 12:59.44 | oreo | the comma is a dot |
| 12:59.46 | oreo | i'm in france |
| 13:00.00 | PassingStranger | oreo: are you sure about '.' vs. ','? ;) |
| 13:00.04 | liable | do they charge more for dots in france? |
| 13:00.19 | oreo | charge more? |
| 13:00.31 | oreo | in france commas are used to separate decimals |
| 13:00.37 | oreo | and dots for thousands |
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| 13:01.25 | liable | oreo: the rest of the world doesn't so expect confusion when you use comma's |
| 13:01.28 | xeon-enouf | i usually inadvertantly type commas where a dot belongs; however, fr something like that, i'll usually check for typos :-P (notice the missing 'o' that doesn't bother me :-)) |
| 13:01.52 | oreo | liable: let's about about the US still using the emperial system for metrics, huh |
| 13:01.56 | PassingStranger | liable: i'm part of the rest of the world and here's similar. hmm... ;) |
| 13:02.08 | shrewd | i remember being quite confused the first time i came across this strange swap in france.... |
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| 13:02.24 | nevyn | hrm I just made mdadm sad.. I assume this isn't a useful traceback: http://paste.debian.net/45395/ |
| 13:02.39 | xeon-enouf | um.. no wonder why any 'standards' went to hell in a hand basket - heh |
| 13:02.44 | xeon-enouf | !standards |
| 13:02.45 | dpkg | The good thing about standards is there are so MANY to choose from! |
| 13:03.06 | liable | i dont give a shit about imperial or whatever, but here, in a multi lingual channel, its english and common decimal that is the standard |
| 13:03.35 | jelly | takes liable's extraneou's apostrophe's away |
| 13:04.00 | liable | try and be a little curteous of the other people in the channel. |
| 13:04.04 | oreo | liable: you didn't even try to help me; you just started flaming when you found a chance; so GTFO |
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| 13:04.29 | oreo | i just pasted the sum from calc and forgot to change the comma, that's it |
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| 13:05.37 | liable | oreo: i wasn't flaming, its just bad form when you use your own countries style, in a very multicultural channel, where english and decimal is the agreed standard. so you can go fuck yourself to. |
| 13:05.39 | shrewd | let's keep this friendly guys :) it's all good... in france they eat frogs, in the US they eat deep fried bacon with chocolate... both kind of gross me out ;) |
| 13:05.53 | lcuk2 | mmm bacon |
| 13:06.00 | oreo | i don't eat frogs |
| 13:06.03 | oreo | and never will |
| 13:06.10 | xeon-enouf | !marry liable and oreo |
| 13:06.11 | dpkg | liable, do you take oreo to be your lawfully wedded spouse? oreo, do you take liable? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 13:06.14 | shrewd | it wasn't my point ;D |
| 13:06.14 | lcuk2 | do frogs eat bacon? |
| 13:06.20 | xeon-enouf | toads do |
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| 13:06.24 | oreo | and i don't think stupid stereotypes belong in a multi-culural channel |
| 13:06.29 | oreo | nice try shrewd |
| 13:06.30 | fireba11 | shrewd: and i'm pretty sure someone has at least tried to deep-fry chocolate too :-D |
| 13:06.34 | liable | i admit to eating frogs, it was pretty good |
| 13:06.47 | liable | in oz of all places |
| 13:06.57 | lcuk2 | fireba11, tried? i can buy deep fried candy bars from the chip shop near me |
| 13:07.02 | shrewd | we actually sometimes deep fry mars bars in oz |
| 13:07.04 | PassingStranger | saw frogs eating chocolate |
| 13:07.20 | lcuk2 | no wai! |
| 13:07.20 | lcuk2 | frogs dont eat choc |
| 13:07.21 | lcuk2 | they are on diets |
| 13:07.22 | fireba11 | lcuk2: uh, juk |
| 13:07.55 | lcuk2 | toads have warts and acne and fatness showing they are the chocolate eaters |
| 13:07.55 | liable | wtf |
| 13:08.06 | oreo | i think it's my first time seeing this channel less mature than ##c++ |
| 13:08.09 | shrewd | i say yay for stereotypes, the more we can classify everything and make the world nice and neat like a good package management system the better.... |
| 13:08.15 | liable | lcuk2: ok, thanks, but please stop now.. |
| 13:08.17 | lcuk2 | oreo, lighten up a bit :) |
| 13:08.36 | lcuk2 | should i post something technical relating to nokia maemo instead then :) |
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| 13:09.28 | liable | oreo: you shine through as a troll |
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| 13:10.18 | oreo | liable: not really sure how, considered you're the one who started harrassing me about the comma. but i shall stop discussing more about your acts |
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| 13:10.39 | OpenTokix | 552636 files to consider |
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| 13:10.56 | liable | oreo: ok, truce then |
| 13:11.17 | shrewd | parfait! now let's move on :) |
| 13:11.26 | lcuk2 | puts the chocolate and frogs down also |
| 13:11.36 | xeon-enouf | nevyn: all i can say is the value i have here for that /proc file is ''120' |
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| 13:12.09 | shrewd | lcuk2: save them, they will come in handy again. |
| 13:12.11 | nevyn | xeon-enouf: that's a way to poke the system not to bug you about the failure.. |
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| 13:12.19 | lcuk2 | nods |
| 13:12.48 | nevyn | but the problem is that all those numbers on the left hand side.. need to be converted from machine specific offset crud to function names and parameters etc. |
| 13:13.29 | Danic | Hi there! Is there something like an application which restarts my apache server if a specific file i choose gets updated/touched? |
| 13:14.22 | nevyn | Danic: how quickly do you want the restart to happen? |
| 13:14.28 | abrotman | Danic: you could probably do something with inotify |
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| 13:14.44 | Danic | immediately |
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| 13:15.39 | nevyn | FAM/Inotify/event horror... |
| 13:15.43 | Titan8990_ | Danic, what kind of design requires that? |
| 13:15.53 | xeon-enouf | Danic: take a look also at incrontab http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/581 |
| 13:15.53 | cydork | Danic: you can use monit for something like that.. you will have to write a custom script though.. |
| 13:16.01 | beardy | A bad and lazy one. |
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| 13:18.44 | Danic | thanks for your replies :) |
| 13:18.58 | nevyn | Danic: it's probably a bad idea. |
| 13:19.07 | nevyn | just saying. |
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| 13:22.11 | nevyn | How do I turn http://paste.debian.net/45395/ into something useful to developers? |
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| 13:22.15 | nevyn | or me. |
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| 13:30.40 | PassingStranger | oreo: had to loo it up but found it eventually. do you mind two links or three? |
| 13:30.53 | oreo | not at all |
| 13:31.09 | oreo | i'm trying to optimize lighttp+php5 and later on mysql |
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| 13:31.31 | PassingStranger | oreo: http://free-electrons.com/blog/elc-2009-videos/ (general page) |
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| 13:32.08 | PassingStranger | oreo: slides... http://www.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/ELC2009Presentations?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=smem.pdf |
| 13:32.13 | adb | PassingStranger: why insist, he don't |
| 13:32.15 | oreo | the Visualising Process Memory one? |
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| 13:32.37 | PassingStranger | oreo: vodeo... http://free-electrons.com/pub/video/2009/elc/elc2009-mackall-visualizing-process-memory.ogv |
| 13:32.47 | PassingStranger | adb: what do you mean? |
| 13:33.27 | adb | PassingStranger: oh, i misunderstood , sorry |
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| 13:34.32 | Onga | Willkumma |
| 13:34.49 | Onga | El il Allhu Akhbar |
| 13:35.18 | asg | !hu |
| 13:35.18 | dpkg | it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 13:36.11 | Onga | asg: kuss |
| 13:36.20 | adb | Onga: here you use english , read the /topic |
| 13:36.28 | Onga | El il Allahu Akhbar in arab language |
| 13:36.35 | Onga | in arabic brotha |
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| 13:36.47 | Onga | and some hebrew too |
| 13:37.08 | Onga | I am Ongavezir da holyness brotha'z |
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| 13:37.29 | PassingStranger | Onga: Thank you for sharing your wisdom. |
| 13:37.35 | Onga | I am da tukskillah, because Tuks must die! |
| 13:37.54 | Onga | PassingStranger: You are welcome brotha |
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| 13:38.05 | Onga | Willkomt aus TrOllZland |
| 13:38.08 | adb | !ops Onga toll |
| 13:38.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: Onga toll |
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| 13:38.27 | Onga | adb your mutta? |
| 13:38.28 | xeon-enouf | gives adb a 'r' ;-) |
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| 13:39.01 | xeon-enouf | charges Onga a toll :-p |
| 13:39.19 | adb | take a 'r' from xeon-enouf |
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| 13:41.05 | jelly | what are chages? |
| 13:42.06 | oreo | bind9 seems to use 10Mb of RAM, even though it's only being a master for 2 zones |
| 13:42.07 | xeon-enouf | resupplies himself with a new box of 'r's. |
| 13:42.17 | PassingStranger | jelly: you mean chage(1)? |
| 13:42.42 | adb | xeon-enouf: gives jelly a 'r' too |
| 13:42.42 | xeon-enouf | jelly: he wasn't taking the 'r' from charges, but a prior 'r' i had given |
| 13:42.59 | jelly | oreo: oh noes! |
| 13:43.19 | oreo | jelly: any possible optimization? |
| 13:43.35 | xeon-enouf | don't you mean 0|-| n03Z |
| 13:45.40 | Rada_ | How do I figure out if there is a cable present in ethX |
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| 13:45.55 | petemc | Rada_: ethtool |
| 13:46.08 | xeon-enouf | check dmesg for 'link up' or ifconfig? |
| 13:46.18 | Rada_ | ifconfig doesn't say anything |
| 13:46.27 | Rada_ | either that or I'm using it wrong |
| 13:46.28 | jelly | oreo: no idea... if you only need an authoritative server, you could try a daemon that only does authoritative, like tinydns from djbdns / dbndns |
| 13:46.30 | Titan8990_ | Rada_, dmesg | grep ethx |
| 13:46.41 | jelly | oreo: 10MB RES isn't that much... |
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| 13:47.13 | Rada_ | What if I have 100x eth's, someone does a quick shuffle so only 20% of the cards are connected and I don't have access to other applications other than what's default? |
| 13:47.24 | oreo | i don't like djbdns much; i wanna be able to do NOTIFY and AXFR and it becomes too troublesome with that |
| 13:47.55 | nevyn | friends don't let friends use non-free software. |
| 13:47.56 | xeon-enouf | the only defaults are ~important ~required |
| 13:48.07 | PassingStranger | oreo: it might mean nothing but the guy in the video above has something to do with Mercurial. ... |
| 13:48.09 | petemc | Rada_: if you have that many nics, you're going to want to have some tools, like perhaps ethtool, otherwise you have to rely on dmesg, which can be overwritten |
| 13:48.25 | oreo | PassingStranger: is he a dev of hg? |
| 13:48.43 | PassingStranger | oreo: yes, as far as i know |
| 13:48.48 | Rada_ | petemc: I'd expect any default installation of any OS to be able to have a way for me to verify the cable status of any network card. |
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| 13:48.53 | oreo | so that dude is pretty big huh |
| 13:49.05 | oreo | kernel stuff and hg |
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| 13:49.10 | Rada_ | Anyway, thanks. |
| 13:49.12 | petemc | Rada_: its very easy to install ethtool |
| 13:49.40 | petemc | Rada_: anyway, you can use ip link show, which debian has by default |
| 13:49.54 | Rada_ | petemc: Oh, that sounds interesting |
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| 13:51.50 | oreo | what's strange is that my own debian box at home, which runs two software RAID arrays, LVM, gateway, firewall and two openVZ instances (first one has DNS caching BIND, second one has CUPS + Samba). /proc/meminfo reports that 202M are used |
| 13:52.29 | Rada_ | petemc: How do I issue an "ip link show" and what application is supposed to recieve that command? |
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| 13:52.41 | petemc | Rada_: you type it into a terminal |
| 13:52.44 | jelly | oreo: what does "free" say? |
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| 13:52.56 | petemc | Rada_: then press enter |
| 13:53.06 | Rada_ | "-bash: ip: command not found" |
| 13:53.08 | oreo | jelly: used: 202796 |
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| 13:53.14 | petemc | Rada_: are you using lenny? |
| 13:53.24 | Rada_ | wait a second, |
| 13:53.35 | petemc | if not, install iproute |
| 13:53.38 | Rada_ | Sorry, no. It's etch =/ |
| 13:53.40 | jelly | oreo: so why are you looking at meminfo? :-) |
| 13:53.53 | Rada_ | Everything is install-this-install-that with you :) |
| 13:54.01 | oreo | jelly: didn't think about using free =) |
| 13:54.03 | jelly | petemc: iproute is in lenny base? |
| 13:54.18 | jelly | that's a dash of common sense |
| 13:54.34 | oreo | but still, on my home box that runs all that, less memory is used compared to the VPS i bought |
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| 13:55.34 | Titan8990_ | oreo, if its openvz the kernel and etc will run in the host's memory, not the vps's dedicated memory |
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| 13:55.56 | xorigin | oreo: just a guess, is your home box running 32bit linux and vps running 64bit linux? |
| 13:55.58 | Traveler | Hi, will a .deb designed for ubuntu install on debian? |
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| 13:56.09 | oreo | xorigin: the other way around |
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| 13:56.23 | Titan8990_ | Traveler, install, yes; work, probably not |
| 13:56.25 | DASPRiD | hi, did anyone ever try to compile vp-usb-lock on debian? |
| 13:56.34 | xorigin | oreo: strange, 32bit linux usually takes less memory than 64bit |
| 13:56.37 | oreo | xorigin: actually both host and VE's are 64bit |
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| 13:56.45 | xorigin | oreo: oh ok |
| 13:56.52 | oreo | and i ran free on the host server |
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| 13:57.19 | xorigin | oreo: same distro, same software, same kernel? |
| 13:57.27 | oreo | and the RAM used on the host (which has all that I described) uses less RAM than the VPS i ordered alone |
| 13:57.37 | oreo | on my box they're the same distro and kernel |
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| 13:58.36 | oreo | is it possible for a VPS host to make it look like the VPS uses more memory than it should, so that it forces clients to get a bigger plan? |
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| 14:00.12 | petemc | jelly: i believe so, its superceded ifconfig aiui |
| 14:01.19 | jelly | FINALLY |
| 14:01.40 | jelly | it's not even 15 years old! |
| 14:01.58 | Ambush | my openvz vps with debian uses more ram then my home debian box |
| 14:02.01 | Ambush | sucks down the ram |
| 14:02.02 | Ambush | heh |
| 14:02.05 | Ambush | bind on my vps takes ~60 megs |
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| 14:02.20 | jelly | Ambush: that's so you have to buy a bigger vps! |
| 14:02.35 | Ambush | i got so much shit runnin tho |
| 14:02.49 | Ambush | mta, bind, mysqld, spamassassin, tons of apache's |
| 14:02.50 | Ambush | yadda yadda |
| 14:02.51 | Ambush | heh |
| 14:03.12 | Ambush | mysql, bind, and apache take the majority of my mem |
| 14:03.24 | Ambush | oh, and spamd |
| 14:03.28 | petemc | you mustnt be passing too many messages through spamassassin |
| 14:03.32 | petemc | oh |
| 14:03.42 | petemc | spamd can bring a box to its knees |
| 14:03.47 | Ambush | i narrowed it down to like 2 child processes |
| 14:03.49 | Ambush | yeah |
| 14:03.51 | xeon-enouf | jelly: heh important iproute install ok installed |
| 14:03.52 | Ambush | it really sucks down the resources |
| 14:03.53 | Ambush | heh |
| 14:04.12 | xeon-enouf | (on sid atleast) |
| 14:04.28 | xeon-enouf | get with the times people! :-p |
| 14:04.31 | xeon-enouf | hides |
| 14:04.47 | jelly | xeon-enouf: more important is what ifupdown's Depends: says |
| 14:05.08 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: do you mean i should upgrade my etch box? ;) |
| 14:05.38 | jelly | xeon-enouf: if it doesn't depend on iproute, it means it's still using something else (ie. ifconfig) |
| 14:05.48 | xeon-enouf | jelly: well; important ifupdown install ok installed :-) |
| 14:05.56 | jelly | irrelevant |
| 14:06.02 | xeon-enouf | why? |
| 14:06.24 | xeon-enouf | PassingStranger: if you like - sure ;-) |
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| 14:07.14 | jelly | xeon-enouf: the context was getting rid of ifconfig and using iproute in Debian |
| 14:07.23 | xeon-enouf | jelly: Suggests: iproute |
| 14:07.39 | petemc | !dbugs 250713 |
| 14:07.43 | dpkg | DONE:#250713:W[ifupdown] Should be Suggests: iproute, dhcp3-client, ppp (fixed fixed-in-experimental patch); Mon, 24 May 2004 15:48:04 UTC [] |
| 14:07.45 | xeon-enouf | ifupdown Depends: net-tools Depends: libc6 Depends: lsb-base Suggests: iproute |Suggests: dhcp3-client Suggests: dhcp-client dhcpcd pump udhcpc Suggests: ppp Replaces: netbase |
| 14:07.45 | jelly | xeon-enouf: right... that's what I thought |
| 14:08.22 | jelly | see you when ifupdown (>= 0.7~alpha2) gets into testing |
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| 14:14.27 | xeon-enouf | why does iproute pkg create a /etc/iproute2/ dir and files, rather than say ..oh .. maybe /etc/iproute/ :-p |
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| 14:15.26 | petemc | upstream is called iproute2 |
| 14:15.52 | xeon-enouf | i mean, isn't dhcp3-client enough for anyone to go bonkers? :-p |
| 14:16.14 | xeon-enouf | hrm - then why isn't our pkg called iproute2 ? |
| 14:16.27 | petemc | no idea |
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| 14:17.47 | PassingStranger | xeon-enouf: do you really want to go down that road? philosphical/rhetorical questions? good luck here! ;) |
| 14:18.44 | xeon-enouf | has to question everything just to be difficult :-p |
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| 14:21.26 | Danic | Please help me. I want to include the testing packages in my apt/sources.list for a newer version of cherokee. what do I have to insert in that file? |
| 14:21.49 | asg | Danic: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 14:23.25 | asg | xeon-enouf: from the changelog, it looks like the versions were based on dates (i.e., 20090831.0, etc.) Upstream probably shifted to a major.minor scheme and Debian decided it wasn't necessary to follow. |
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| 14:25.30 | xeon-enouf | asg: ok, thanks - but that date is odd to me, since i recall it being like this for quite a while now (maybe a year atleast) |
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| 14:25.57 | xeon-enouf | oh duh |
| 14:26.16 | xeon-enouf | sorry asg - that was just an example date :-P |
| 14:26.43 | asg | yeah, today's in fact. From the changelog: <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why |
| 14:26.47 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.53 | asg | erm, not that changelog |
| 14:27.00 | asg | xeon-enouf: New upstream release, v2.6.26 a.k.a. snapshot 080725 |
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| 14:27.09 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 14:27.23 | xeon-enouf | asg: thank you |
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| 14:28.32 | jelly | dpkg: listvalues alienates |
| 14:28.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alienates' by value (1): qotd58. |
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| 14:29.06 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 14:29.06 | dpkg | <FrozenSpoon> okay. 3.0 woody. I assume a direct woody->etch upgrade should be fairly smooth? |
| 14:29.09 | xeon-enouf | jelly: what? no abbrev? "!listvals" :-) |
| 14:30.02 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 14:30.02 | dpkg | <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
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| 14:30.39 | phlux | lol |
| 14:30.46 | phlux | k, so a real question for you all |
| 14:30.54 | phlux | I need to uninstall everything KDE installed |
| 14:31.02 | brutus_ | how do I make emacs set the tab width to 4, inserting spaces and not tabs? |
| 14:31.18 | phlux | How can I search installed packages that was installed by 'aptitude install kde'? |
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| 14:31.20 | xeon-enouf | phlux: actually ; /msg dpkg debian.exe (if that's what robin_sz meant) |
| 14:31.51 | xeon-enouf | phlux: /msg dpkg uninstall kde |
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| 14:32.57 | xeon-enouf | brutus_: #emacs ? or is debian |
| 14:33.11 | xeon-enouf | specific somehow |
| 14:33.52 | gravity | brutus_: There's a lot of documentation on that in emacs' ifo |
| 14:33.54 | gravity | info |
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| 14:36.25 | gravity | brutus_: Setting indent-tabs-mode to nil will get you all spaces instead of tabs. Getting a 4 char tab stop requires editing the tab stop list. All this is documented in the Indentation section of the emacs docs in Advanced Features |
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| 14:39.05 | gravity | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TabStopList |
| 14:39.37 | brutus_ | gravity, hmm...i added the smart tab code for c style languages from the wiki, but tabs are being inserted instead of spaces.... |
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| 14:40.03 | brutus_ | even after I add the (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil) line to .emacs |
| 14:40.35 | gravity | brutus_: That may be because of smart tab. I've never used that one. |
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| 14:42.32 | gravity | I also haven't done a lot with C modes either really |
| 14:42.49 | gravity | Although it does work for me in cperl-mode, which inherits from the C mode |
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| 14:48.16 | clusty | hey |
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| 14:48.40 | clusty | what tool would you suggets to automate the consiguration across multiple machines? |
| 14:48.51 | clusty | i am looking at puppet and cfengine for now |
| 14:50.20 | asg | those are the most used |
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| 14:54.07 | clusty | asg, would you comment a bit? |
| 14:54.13 | clusty | asg, puppet looks easier to setup |
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| 14:55.52 | asg | clusty: if you don't have an aversion to having ruby on your systems, then it is easier to work with. |
| 14:56.16 | asg | clusty: I think RedHat was working on a python clone of puppet at one time but I think development has stalled. |
| 14:56.25 | adb | fai-client |
| 14:56.34 | clusty | asg, i never touched ruby so far. is there a reason for me to hate it? :D |
| 14:57.25 | asg | clusty: no but it's another language to learn if you want to do heavy puppet configuration and more code to have installed on your servers. |
| 14:57.58 | clusty | asg, ok. well it's quite lightweight what i need to do anyways |
| 14:58.25 | clusty | asg, replicate same conf across 20 PCs (and keep it synched). and same for packages i might install |
| 14:58.48 | asg | clusty: should work well for your needs then |
| 14:58.54 | clusty | think puppet wins |
| 14:59.01 | clusty | fai is not documented very well |
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| 14:59.17 | clusty | i considered it to install automagically the 20 machines |
| 14:59.23 | clusty | but decided to just do it by hand |
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| 15:00.58 | adb | clusty: try #fai in irc.oftc.net |
| 15:01.21 | clusty | adb, thanks. will do |
| 15:02.41 | clusty | another framework i heard of is chef |
| 15:02.48 | clusty | but looks insanely hard to setup |
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| 15:16.21 | Schizoid | i downloaded debian-502a-i386-businesscard.iso and the installation is not aware of ext4. What installer do I need to use ext4? |
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| 15:21.28 | asg | Schizoid: you might need the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
| 15:21.39 | petemc | or install using ext3 and convert |
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| 15:23.47 | Schizoid | ah, thank you asg. I think that is what i used last time |
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| 15:24.19 | workPragmatist | where can I read info on setting up sources.list and it's params |
| 15:24.32 | asg | workPragmatist: there's an example in /usr/share/doc/apt |
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| 15:26.32 | acu | is any browser which can browse internet from text interface ? |
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| 15:27.04 | asg | acu: lynx, links, elinks, w3m |
| 15:27.06 | beardy | acu: links, lynx, w3m |
| 15:27.08 | JyZyXEL | god damnit why do i have superblocks in future |
| 15:27.19 | JyZyXEL | "Superblock last write time is in the future" |
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| 15:27.49 | abrotman | your clock is broken |
| 15:28.07 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean? |
| 15:28.13 | abrotman | clock .. broken |
| 15:28.18 | JyZyXEL | the crystal is broken? |
| 15:28.24 | JyZyXEL | on the mobo |
| 15:28.40 | asg | or the cmos battery is pushing up daisies |
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| 15:28.55 | \amethyst | or you have some other OS changing the cmos time |
| 15:28.55 | chellomere | have you synced the clock with ntp lately, from being completely out of sync? |
| 15:28.55 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 15:29.09 | JyZyXEL | well what do i do with this? |
| 15:29.16 | JyZyXEL | it mounted the system read only |
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| 15:29.47 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: is the system time correct? |
| 15:29.48 | acu | ok it works :) |
| 15:29.59 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst: how should i know it won't even bootup |
| 15:29.59 | acu | but about chat? |
| 15:30.05 | asg | acu: irssi |
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| 15:30.12 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: i think i've seen that when i debootstrapped a system over ssh, and for some reason, ALL files dates were ~2001 ... after i altered/touched a few major ones, things were hunky-dorry |
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| 15:30.23 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I thought you said it mounted read-only... that should be enough to give you a single-user-mode root login |
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| 15:30.49 | JyZyXEL | i guess so |
| 15:30.53 | xeon-enouf | JyZyXEL: you CAN atleast check the BIOS time |
| 15:31.00 | asg | acu: if you also want IM, you can use bitlbee as an IM/IRC proxy so you can use a single client (irssi) to handle both. |
| 15:31.32 | JyZyXEL | the system has been on 24/7 so it can't be the battery |
| 15:31.49 | JyZyXEL | so its some other fail |
| 15:31.54 | xeon-enouf | until? |
| 15:31.57 | workPragmatist | asg: is it necessary to have a etc?updates for deb-src ? |
| 15:32.05 | workPragmatist | sorry etch/updates |
| 15:32.35 | workPragmatist | here's what I have: http://pastie.org/600518 |
| 15:32.41 | JyZyXEL | can't i just have fsck skip this shit |
| 15:32.42 | xeon-enouf | your choices of other OSes fail |
| 15:32.52 | JyZyXEL | i don't really give a fuck if the write time is in future |
| 15:33.01 | workPragmatist | hey now |
| 15:33.07 | workPragmatist | don't get craaazy |
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| 15:33.27 | Pendrag01 | has anyone here ever set up awstats before? |
| 15:33.51 | workPragmatist | google analytics ftw |
| 15:34.06 | Pendrag01 | I just used aptitude to install, and I figured out how to configure it, but I don't know how to view the different url's for the differnet config files I create for my different domains |
| 15:34.08 | workPragmatist | anyone else care to look at my sources to see if they look right http://pastie.org/600518 |
| 15:34.12 | asg | workPragmatist: unless you are planning to compile debs from src debs, then there is no need to have any deb-src lines. |
| 15:34.20 | workPragmatist | asg: I have |
| 15:34.25 | workPragmatist | had to |
| 15:34.41 | workPragmatist | but is there really a sources update too? |
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| 15:34.55 | asg | workPragmatist: then leave them in for security updates for debian src packages |
| 15:35.36 | workPragmatist | okay that's what i was wondering.... other than that that looks good? |
| 15:35.50 | xeon-enouf | workPragmatist: all binary pkgs start out as source ;-) |
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| 15:36.28 | asg | workPragmatist: looks good as long as the mirror in the first line is an actual debian mirror. |
| 15:36.34 | workPragmatist | ya I assume so :) |
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| 15:39.40 | cantoma | guys i just tried to unsinstall reaplayer by deleting the directory. Now my iceweasel still thinks that exists. So when i ask him to play a movie it gives an error. How can i tell iceweasel to forget about realplayer? |
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| 15:40.23 | workPragmatist | asg: is it possible to view which sources have which packages installed? |
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| 15:40.51 | workPragmatist | ie: trying to figure out if i really need debian-multimedia.org |
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| 15:41.36 | asg | workPragmatist: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 15:43.12 | workPragmatist | not per source instead though? |
| 15:43.52 | asg | workPragmatist: there may be a way to do it with aptitude but I don't know offhand |
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| 15:44.08 | workPragmatist | hrmmm what would you do with backported stuff when upgraded to lenny |
| 15:44.41 | workPragmatist | really just need to figure out which packages are backported so i can not break them |
| 15:45.15 | asg | workPragmatist: if newer versions are in lenny than the backports you have, then they will be upgraded to the official lenny ones. Otherwise, they will be left untouched. |
| 15:46.03 | asg | workPragmatist: however, check the upgrade instructions to be sure how backports are affected. |
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| 15:46.16 | workPragmatist | asg: should I change the backports url though? from etch-backprots |
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| 15:47.45 | nsadmin | workPragmatist I'd say to start with comment it out |
| 15:48.05 | workPragmatist | that's what i was thinking because chances are things backported may end up in lenny |
| 15:48.37 | xeon-enouf | workPragmatist: ~$ grep-status -F Maintainer 'marillat@debian.org' -a -F Status -sPackage 'install ok installed' | awk '{ print$2 }' might help you sort through it all |
| 15:48.48 | nsadmin | or you might get things that are backported to lenny from testing or unstable |
| 15:49.20 | xeon-enouf | workPragmatist: or.. /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 15:50.08 | workPragmatist | xeon-enouf: trying to go the other way |
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| 15:51.31 | xeon-enouf | cantoma: isn't that configurable in edit > preferences > content/applications? |
| 15:52.16 | xeon-enouf | i guess 'applications' |
| 15:52.41 | xeon-enouf | workPragmatist: i misunderstand then |
| 15:52.44 | workPragmatist | xeon-enouf: aw sweet that helps though |
| 15:52.54 | workPragmatist | the inventory |
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| 15:54.42 | workPragmatist | i'm not using this multimedia repo afterall sweet |
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| 15:57.09 | workPragmatist | weird... if all a package says is "postgresql-common: 88~bpo40+1 /var/lib/dpkg/status" does that mean it doesn't know where it came from? |
| 15:57.15 | Martin_vW | Hello, when upgrading a server from etch to lenny, we have to run aptitude at least two times to get all updates. Is there a reason why aptitude has to be run a second time? |
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| 15:57.54 | hakr | overflow? |
| 15:58.14 | hakr | suggests water-wings |
| 15:58.18 | workPragmatist | lol |
| 15:58.56 | nsadmin | workPragmatist that's a backported package |
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| 15:59.57 | workPragmatist | ah ya could have googlee that one |
| 16:00.13 | asg | Martin_vW: did you run aptitude install aptitude after changing your sources.lst and updating it? |
| 16:00.40 | nsadmin | you probably also had to get the new kernel first |
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| 16:01.07 | Martin_vW | asg: no, I did not. I'll try if that fixes the issue. |
| 16:01.27 | nsadmin | Martin_vW: you're advised to read the lenny release notes for upgrade instructions |
| 16:01.29 | asg | Martin_vW: /msg dpkg etch->lenny for the correct upgrade path instructions and other info |
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| 16:01.46 | abrotman | and the relesae notes say to do that also |
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| 16:02.44 | cantoma | xeon-enouf, it is thanks |
| 16:03.09 | Martin_vW | thanks for the info. Don't blame me, it's actually my boss who's working on the lenny upgrade of our servers :) |
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| 16:03.10 | workPragmatist | nsadmin: what about this nonsense http://pastie.org/private/aw04c0jkkakgmlxyxr4dyw |
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| 16:03.15 | workPragmatist | three postfixes? |
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| 16:05.53 | chellomere | workPragmatist, a package doesn't know where it comes from, that's totally correct |
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| 16:06.35 | oreo | wow, barracuda are a bunch of retards |
| 16:06.44 | oreo | they don't even follow mail standards |
| 16:06.45 | workPragmatist | chellomere: why are there three? |
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| 16:07.03 | chellomere | workPragmatist, where is that output from? |
| 16:07.56 | workPragmatist | chellomere: I output the command by dkpg (which package) to a file (recommended by dkpg) |
| 16:08.33 | workPragmatist | er "which repo" |
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| 16:09.15 | chellomere | workPragmatist, I have no idea what that command is |
| 16:09.18 | nsadmin | !which repo |
| 16:09.19 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 16:10.15 | workPragmatist | didn't want to spam |
| 16:10.15 | chellomere | dunno how that script works, sorry |
| 16:10.26 | workPragmatist | maybe some sort of "left" join heh |
| 16:12.03 | workPragmatist | is there not a formal way to get a list of packages installed out of apt-get instead of these scripts? |
| 16:12.56 | chellomere | workPragmatist, it is not possible to programmatically know what repo a package came from, other than guessing. |
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| 16:13.59 | chellomere | workPragmatist, I guess (hrrhrr) that that package looks at each package, and goes "this package exists with that version in this repo, it prolly came from that place" |
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| 16:14.04 | chellomere | *that script |
| 16:14.12 | \amethyst | workPragmatist: from a shell script? |
| 16:14.31 | \amethyst | workPragmatist: aptitude search -F '%p' --disable-columns '~i' can do it in one command, if aptitude is installed |
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| 16:15.56 | harrachi | hi |
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| 16:16.25 | workPragmatist | \amethyst: no such thing as disable-columns? |
| 16:16.45 | workPragmatist | that lists everything but not the repo too |
| 16:17.22 | \amethyst | workPragmatist: you can add whatever fields you want with -F, see the aptitude docs |
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| 16:18.20 | workPragmatist | oh i see thanks |
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| 16:22.10 | ihategfw | i i like you guys, you know where i am ? i do ssh from my router ... |
| 16:22.18 | ihategfw | that's cool for me |
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| 16:24.20 | hakr | blinks |
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| 16:27.48 | workPragmatist | this is funky |
| 16:29.08 | workPragmatist | if I run the first script apt-listrepository |
| 16:29.48 | workPragmatist | it shows postgresql8.2 |
| 16:30.01 | workPragmatist | otherwise aptitude just shows the client and common |
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| 16:36.31 | blendmaster1024 | hey all, i installed debian on my system, now i'm trying to install VMware, it asked for the kernel headers, i installed them, it can't find them even when i feed it the path /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:36.40 | blendmaster1024 | how do i fix? anyone know? |
| 16:37.00 | blendmaster1024 | i need an answer fast :s, i'm at school |
| 16:37.17 | blendmaster1024 | i'm supposed to be using VMware right now |
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| 16:38.20 | nsadmin | workPragmatist btw, postgres 8.2 is a bit hard to find in debian... because I needed it in an intermediate step, I had to find the debianized sources and build the packages |
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| 16:39.10 | nsadmin | and I found there was 8.2.4 and 8.2.7, the latter didn't have libpq which I needed so I went with 8.2.4 |
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| 16:41.06 | kkozlows | hi, I need to use debian on Dell Poweredge m610 with QLogic QME2572 adapter, does anyone know where can I get the driver (there is none on the Qlogic nor on the Dell site, although RH and SLES are supprted)? |
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| 16:44.28 | workPragmatist | nsadmin: I just want to uninstall 8.2 heh but I think I installed it using backports maybe? |
| 16:45.09 | nsadmin | workPragmatist: you don't have data on it do you? |
| 16:45.33 | workPragmatist | not on this server |
| 16:45.43 | nsadmin | oh good, then just purge it |
| 16:45.43 | workPragmatist | otherwise I would dump it no prob |
| 16:45.46 | Schizoid | Does anyone know of a repo that has a chromium browser package? |
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| 16:46.40 | simonrvn | kkozlows: try lspci -k if not do lspci -nn and post the result for the qlogic card *only*, here |
| 16:46.53 | nsadmin | workPragmatist just so you know, teh #postgresql (this irc net) folks encourage that if youre going to a newer pg you use the pg_dump from the later version to dump the earlier-pg db |
| 16:47.08 | mhymn | Schizoid: there's already a .deb on their web page and the have their own repo for later updates |
| 16:47.32 | workPragmatist | nsadmin: which means you have to upgrade your pg first somehow? |
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| 16:47.47 | nsadmin | well install the new one, they coexist |
| 16:48.40 | nsadmin | they automatically install to different ports (example, if your 8,2 is on 5432 and you install 8.3.something it will automatically take 5433) |
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| 16:49.09 | nsadmin | the coexistance is due to the facilities in postgresql-common |
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| 16:50.01 | justin | postgresql in debian comes with pg_upgradecluster that can automate the dump+restore for you |
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| 16:50.18 | Schizoid | mhymn: /win close |
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| 16:51.49 | kkozlows | simonrvn: currntly I have no acces to the server, but as soon as i have ill do that, thanks |
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| 17:00.37 | xeon-enouf | kkozlows: is source available? |
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| 17:04.20 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. Where's baobab's config stored? |
| 17:04.43 | jonaskoelker | Baobab closes when I haven't selected any mount points for scanning, which prevents me from selecting them ... -.- |
| 17:05.09 | fefo | /etc/default ? |
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| 17:05.30 | fefo | or /etc |
| 17:05.36 | asg | jonaskoelker: the manpage should tell you |
| 17:06.24 | jonaskoelker | /etc/**/* when run as !root? |
| 17:06.45 | jonaskoelker | asg: really? For a GNOME application? O_o |
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| 17:07.24 | asg | jonaskoelker: why not? All binaries should have manpages; otherwise, that's a bug. |
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| 17:08.18 | jonaskoelker | asg: yeah, but GNOME apps tend to pretend they don't have guts, and they don't document things that don't exist... |
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| 17:08.46 | asg | jonaskoelker: but Debian policy indicates that a manpage should exist, or be created, nontheless |
| 17:08.53 | jonaskoelker | asg: baobab does have a man page which forwards to a web page. |
| 17:08.58 | jonaskoelker | ... which doesn't answer my question :| |
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| 17:09.38 | asg | jonaskoelker: presuming the config wasn't created by a postinst script, dpkg -L <pkg> will show you which files are part of any .deb. |
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| 17:10.18 | asg | jonaskoelker: also, /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* may indicate what needs to be done. |
| 17:10.31 | dirkson | Hey all. How do I tell debian "I don't care if that's installed, just install it again" |
| 17:10.45 | asg | dirkson: --reinstall |
| 17:10.58 | dirkson | asg: Beautiful, thank you |
| 17:10.58 | asg | dirkson: if you are missing config files (because you deleted them), /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:11.56 | dirkson | Ugh. |
| 17:11.59 | kkozlows | xeon-enouf: nothing is available, but i found that qla2xxx driver might work |
| 17:12.04 | dirkson | Well, would have been nice if that'd fixed my problem |
| 17:12.15 | dirkson | But noooo, python is stupid, and can't find the damn thing I just installed |
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| 17:12.34 | dirkson | goes back trying to read the japanese page that seems to have the same problem as him |
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| 17:13.33 | sash_ | hello everybody. just wanted to tell you something. two days ago, i asked about /proc/acpi/battery in lenny and you told me, i perhaps would have to load some modules. well, i found the answer. i am using debian testing with 2.6.30 and in this kernel, all information about battery went to /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0. Thanks |
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| 17:17.15 | xeon-enouf | kkozlows: interesting |
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| 17:17.58 | xeon-enouf | kkozlows: yeah, when google returns; "Your search - linux debian QLogic QME2572 - did not match any documents. " .. not a good sign :-P |
| 17:18.33 | jonaskoelker | xeon-enouf: it's a sign nobody had problems they posted about on the intertubes =) |
| 17:18.56 | xeon-enouf | jonaskoelker: always the optimist eh? :-p |
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| 17:19.15 | jonaskoelker | xeon-enouf: even if proven wrong! |
| 17:19.22 | jonaskoelker | xeon-enouf: that's how I stay so cheerful :D |
| 17:19.34 | xeon-enouf | good .. keep me happy :-) |
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| 17:21.05 | jonaskoelker | hmm... if you make a person more optimistic, is that a kind of "optimization"? ;-) |
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| 17:23.07 | xeon-enouf | sash_: bravo and cheers |
| 17:23.40 | tosmo | is it possible to get the sdtout / stderr of a process running in background onto a tty? |
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| 17:23.58 | xeon-enouf | jonaskoelker: you're not making me happy with silly comments like that O_o |
| 17:24.08 | jonaskoelker | sorry |
| 17:24.09 | asg | tosmo: redirect to /dev/ttyX |
| 17:24.20 | petemc | tosmo: bring it to the foreground |
| 17:24.26 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 17:24.58 | jonaskoelker | hmmm... so do I make you happy? |
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| 17:25.22 | moncky | ok so I have been playing around with apt pinning, mainly to get the latest xfce4, however when ever I am now trying to install packages I am always ending up with some sort of broken dependancy |
| 17:25.23 | xeon-enouf | let's move on ... shall we? |
| 17:25.27 | tosmo | petemc: how? fg just works if i've got a job id. there's just a process id. the shell from which the process was started is closed |
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| 17:26.03 | moncky | I guss my question is if you use apt pinning to pull packages from testing do you expect to then have to constantly have to manually pull dependacies for other packages from testing also? |
| 17:26.18 | xeon-enouf | moncky: yes, possible side effects on monkeying around is possible brokeness :-) |
| 17:26.22 | jonaskoelker | xeon-enouf: oops, there was a "how" missing in there |
| 17:26.23 | jonaskoelker | ... |
| 17:26.27 | jonaskoelker | bbut yeah |
| 17:26.57 | moncky | xeon-enouf: yeah I figured that there would be some issues. just not as many as I am having :/ |
| 17:27.18 | abrotman | moncky: it's really not a good idea to mix testing/unstable with stable .. it will very likely implode |
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| 17:27.46 | bio-tty | i try really hard to find a good tool to view diffs of all files in a trees |
| 17:27.48 | bio-tty | like kompare |
| 17:27.52 | bio-tty | but for gnome |
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| 17:27.57 | xeon-enouf | moncky: you sure pinning is best? not backports? |
| 17:28.11 | bio-tty | xxdiff and diffuse and fldiff dont take diff output |
| 17:28.12 | petemc | tosmo: oh, i guess when you said background, you meant something else - how is the process still running? |
| 17:28.27 | moncky | xeon-enouf: yeah backports would probably be better, however I wanted to learn about pinning |
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| 17:28.40 | xeon-enouf | you're learning ;-0 |
| 17:28.43 | asg | bio-tty: you can run kde apps in gnome |
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| 17:29.53 | moncky | xeon-enouf: yeah, learning that apt pinning is only really good at causing problems. |
| 17:29.55 | bio-tty | asg: i know. but i dont want to. i usually did. but all became more and more crappy |
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| 17:30.19 | tzafrir_laptop | bio-tty, I use the DirDiff plugin of vim :-) |
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| 17:32.09 | tosmo | petemc: i ran it as root inside an terminal emulator and then somewhat later accidentally closed the window. i assume its a user rights thing that the process hasn't been killed. it's badblocks wich runs for about 6 hours now and i don't want to re-run it ;) |
| 17:32.17 | xeon-enouf | tosmo: 'jobs' lists id - but, hrm, i think you can match the tty with the PID running on it- wait - pstree -lunap or even ps auxf should show you nicely - oh crap, closed shell? - hrm |
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| 17:33.09 | jpinx | anyone know why this command might not work? sshfs johnp@192.1.1.33:/home/johnp /home/johnp/eeepc -o allow_other |
| 17:33.11 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: what was that reattach (like screen/detach) thingamajig? but when one used disown prior and sucj |
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| 17:33.17 | asg | tosmo: you might be able to read from the relevant file descriptors in /proc/<pid>/fd/* but your mileage may vary. |
| 17:33.18 | xeon-enouf | such* |
| 17:33.23 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: retty |
| 17:33.31 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ah! |
| 17:33.32 | abrotman | gets enouf a new tattoo |
| 17:33.38 | moncky | xeon-enouf: would backports with pinning per application offer any benifit or are you at that point just adding in a layer for the sake of it? |
| 17:33.52 | xeon-enouf | tosmo: might try retty as abrotman just mentioned |
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| 17:34.02 | tosmo | asg: already tried. the only active fd is the harddisk which badblocks is checking |
| 17:34.05 | abrotman | moncky: what packages from testing are you interested in? |
| 17:34.20 | xeon-enouf | i kept googling retach/reattach, etc |
| 17:34.22 | asg | tosmo: then try abrotman's suggestion |
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| 17:34.30 | abrotman | whahuh? |
| 17:34.40 | abrotman | it wasn't my suggestion .. i just know the package .. |
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| 17:34.52 | xeon-enouf | suggests trying it :-p |
| 17:34.55 | Brian__ | this may be a dumb question but if i install debian can i install kde on it |
| 17:35.00 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:35.12 | xeon-enouf | Brian__: yes, it's a dumb question :-P |
| 17:35.20 | Brian__ | is their any advantage to debian rather than ubuntu |
| 17:35.27 | moncky | abrotman: none in partiular, Im just playing to learn what works the best, but using xfce in this instance |
| 17:35.32 | xeon-enouf | !why debian |
| 17:35.32 | simonrvn | 'there' |
| 17:35.33 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:35.42 | abrotman | moncky: that'd probably lead to half your system ending up in testing .. |
| 17:36.24 | moncky | abrotman: yes bu using apt pinning for the testing, but I am talking about using pinning for backports repo |
| 17:36.50 | moncky | abrotman: on a per application basis which should then keep the appropriate dependancies upto date |
| 17:37.21 | Ryushin | I had to boot strap my debian system in order to get the backup software installed so I could recover the system after file system corruption. But now the dpkg list shows the minimal packages that I had installed to get the system boot strapped. What do I need to restore from tape to recover the list of packages that are installed? |
| 17:37.26 | Brian__ | is there any advantage to debian over ubuntu |
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| 17:37.41 | DASPRiD | how to tell debian to not mount something as mouse (/dev/input/mouse[0-9]) ? |
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| 17:38.09 | Ryushin | Brian__: Debian is a bit more geared towards advanced users. |
| 17:38.13 | xeon-enouf | moncky: since packages also have dependencies, it all depends how big/many and which ones you mean, and what their dependencies are |
| 17:38.33 | Brian__ | ok |
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| 17:38.37 | eoke | I've got a debian lenny vps on which I've just installed wordpress. Wordpress is however encouraging me to upgrade to the latest version what are the pros cons of doing so, primarily should I be concerned about the security of running the version of wordpress from aptitude? |
| 17:38.39 | xeon-enouf | moncky: you don't need to pin using bpo |
| 17:39.04 | abrotman | Ryushin: /msg dpkg status recovery |
| 17:39.24 | Ryushin | abrotman: Do you know what I need to restore? I've restored /var/lib/dpkg |
| 17:39.33 | abrotman | restored from what? |
| 17:39.41 | abrotman | should be /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:39.46 | Ryushin | abrotman: thanks much. |
| 17:40.01 | tosmo | retty's only for i386 :/ |
| 17:40.04 | xeon-enouf | moncky: things in Stable cannot be guaranteed to work well with pkgs frm testing - plus, sometimes pkgs in testing get pulled, due to bugs and many other things, and are sometimes broken |
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| 17:40.42 | abrotman | tosmo: never noticed that before |
| 17:40.55 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: is it listed in your xorg.conf? |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | files that away for the i386 vs amd64 arguments :) |
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| 17:41.19 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: AllowNoMouse option? man xorg.conf |
| 17:41.27 | tosmo | well, its only built for i368, no idea why that should be a technical problem |
| 17:41.42 | moncky | xeon-enouf: ok got it, thanks for the clarifications |
| 17:41.51 | DASPRiD | xeon-enouf, nah it's not real mouse, thats the problem ;), but i guess i already found something, udev ignore rules |
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| 17:42.08 | abrotman | tosmo: are you sure the process is still running ? |
| 17:42.11 | xeon-enouf | tosmo: and you are on? |
| 17:42.32 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: man udevadm, i guess then - ok |
| 17:42.55 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: or udev[tab][tab] if on Lenny, IINM |
| 17:43.29 | DASPRiD | well i'm not "really" on debian but on ubuntu... but the people in #ubuntu are mostly not that helpful :) |
| 17:43.33 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: i recall a command similar to or exactly 'udevcontrol reload_rules' once one has edited any .rules file |
| 17:44.02 | abrotman | judd: info detachtty --release lenny |
| 17:44.02 | judd | abrotman: detachtty (admin): is optional; Version: 9; Size: 14.0k; Installed: 72k -- Attach/detach from interactive processes across the network |
| 17:44.09 | abrotman | mybe ? |
| 17:44.21 | tosmo | yes, ps lists it and the harddisk is obviously working. i'm on amd64 |
| 17:44.26 | DASPRiD | xeon-enouf, probably udevadm control --reload-rules ? |
| 17:44.35 | xeon-enouf | eoke: yes, whenever installing from outside official debian Stable repo, security is always a concern - how much? left up to admin/user |
| 17:45.13 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: yes, for newer udevadm, sounds right |
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| 17:45.31 | abrotman | RichiH: why is retty i386 only? |
| 17:45.54 | kkozlows | xeon-enouf: maybe tommorow google will show something interesting ;) or maybe its time to switch to another search engine ...bing? :D |
| 17:46.04 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: hrm .. there's also dtach.sf.net and then there's screen too |
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| 17:46.24 | abrotman | not sure if screen can attach to something it wasn't running to start with |
| 17:46.26 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: nm, ig that i prefixed with your nick' |
| 17:46.35 | xeon-enouf | it can't ;-) |
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| 17:47.27 | xeon-enouf | with the two i mentioned, i think you'd need to start the app from within/inside of one of those |
| 17:47.51 | ajavid | hell helleo |
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| 17:48.05 | ajavid | look its DASPRiD |
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| 17:48.29 | xeon-enouf | kkozlows: yeah - seems google has gotten really stupid lately ... can't recall when the disease set in, but it's been that way a while now |
| 17:48.38 | eoke | xeon-enouf: So from a security standpoint it's better to run the legacy version in the repo as debian devs willl address any nasty bugs? |
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| 17:49.16 | xeon-enouf | eoke: if it's not from non-free then Debian Security is on top of all Stable released software |
| 17:49.40 | xeon-enouf | eoke: but in general, to answer directly, yes |
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| 17:50.14 | xeon-enouf | eoke: hopefully most major bugs have been ironed out by the time software gets releasaed with/as Stable |
| 17:50.38 | eoke | Thank you for you help xeon-enouf. If wordpress is in main or contrib I will stick with the repo version. |
| 17:50.50 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, what xeon? |
| 17:50.58 | xeon-enouf | eoke: YEs though - Stable has security updates, and any possible major bug fixes, and some possible other minor things |
| 17:51.03 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, which* I mean? |
| 17:51.12 | xeon-enouf | whci h whaY? |
| 17:51.19 | xeon-enouf | er which wht? |
| 17:51.44 | xeon-enouf | judd: info wordpress --release lenny |
| 17:51.44 | judd | xeon-enouf: wordpress (web): is optional; Version: 2.5.1-11; Size: 1007.9k; Installed: 5000k -- weblog manager |
| 17:52.08 | tosmo | abrotman: its definitely i368 only. the readme says so. :/ |
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| 17:53.27 | abrotman | tosmo: i know .. i'm asking the maintainer why |
| 17:53.38 | xeon-enouf | eoke: yeah, it's from main Filename: pool/main/w/wordpress/wordpress_2.7.1-2_all.deb |
| 17:53.56 | xeon-enouf | eoke: erm, that's the sid/unstable version there though |
| 17:54.13 | eoke | Cheers xeon-enouf, I was just trying to find a command to work out where a package came from. |
| 17:54.45 | xeon-enouf | eoke: apt-cache (or aptitude) show <packagename> |
| 17:54.57 | abrotman | tosmo: there is also detachtty .. but i don't know much about it |
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| 17:55.05 | DASPRiD | ajavid, :x |
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| 17:55.26 | DASPRiD | xeon-enouf, now the almighty question: how to find sysfs information about the device? :) |
| 17:55.47 | eoke | xeon-enouf: Thank you for your help you've been a star :) |
| 17:55.52 | ajavid | DASPRiD, you got my /msg I hope. |
| 17:55.53 | tosmo | abrotman: just looked for it, its like screen, somewhat like a wrapper you use before starting your processes |
| 17:56.03 | DASPRiD | ajavid, hopefully not :x |
| 17:56.05 | abrotman | tosmo: oh, bummer, okay |
| 17:56.32 | abrotman | DASPRiD: please go to #ubuntu for support, or ##linux |
| 17:56.32 | xeon-enouf | eoke: notice what "apt-cache (or aptitude) depends <packagename>" outputs - see; many of those depends _might_ need newer/buggy versions and possibly even have security issues, if not wrdpress, itself |
| 17:56.36 | ajavid | lol |
| 17:56.42 | ajavid | he is asking for support in here? |
| 17:56.45 | ajavid | what ajoke. |
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| 17:56.51 | xeon-enouf | !hug me |
| 17:56.51 | dpkg | gives xeon-enouf a hug |
| 17:56.58 | ajavid | fucking ubutnu users I swear to god. |
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| 17:57.00 | ajavid | uff. |
| 17:57.07 | abrotman | ajavid: enough already |
| 17:57.16 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: lshal |
| 17:57.21 | ajavid | abrotman, my sentiments exactly. |
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| 17:58.25 | fxiny | ajavid: you like michigan sentiment ? ready to short ANYTHING :P |
| 17:58.27 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: /msg dpkg what's my hardware ; switch to debian, if not only for the awesome bots here :-P |
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| 17:58.42 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: you can go to #ubuntu with him |
| 17:58.52 | DASPRiD | xeon-enouf, :x |
| 17:58.53 | xeon-enouf | oh ffs |
| 17:59.00 | ajavid | fxiny, my fucking patience is running thin with morons. |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | ajavid: knock it off already |
| 17:59.10 | ajavid | thats pretty much about it |
| 17:59.13 | blendmaster1024 | is there a question debian channel? i just noticed that this is a discussion channel |
| 17:59.22 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: this is a support channel |
| 17:59.24 | blendmaster1024 | ok |
| 17:59.34 | asg | blendmaster1024: you can ask questions here |
| 17:59.34 | abrotman | i know .. you can't tell with all the rambling |
| 17:59.40 | blendmaster1024 | heh |
| 17:59.41 | xeon-enouf | jonaskoelker: i need some of that _happiness_ and _optimism_ you have so much of :-) |
| 17:59.42 | eoke | xeon-enouf: You've given me the tools to have a good look, thanks again. |
| 18:00.06 | blendmaster1024 | i installed debian on my school computer |
| 18:00.24 | blendmaster1024 | and i installed vmware on that |
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| 18:00.32 | gnusosa | blendmaster1024: that's nice. |
| 18:00.38 | blendmaster1024 | but vmware wants the kernel headers anytime i try to run it |
| 18:00.45 | blendmaster1024 | *even though they're installed* |
| 18:00.48 | blendmaster1024 | fix? |
| 18:00.53 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:00.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:01.04 | blendmaster1024 | :P |
| 18:01.05 | blendmaster1024 | ok |
| 18:01.06 | xeon-enouf | blendmaster1024: have you tried assing it /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build ? |
| 18:01.12 | xeon-enouf | passing* |
| 18:01.13 | blendmaster1024 | no |
| 18:01.15 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: install linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 18:01.19 | tosmo | hm. strace -p <id> -e write does its job ;) lots of spam in there, but well, at least i get the std output :) |
| 18:01.20 | blendmaster1024 | abrotman, i did |
| 18:01.27 | jonaskoelker | cp ~/.mood > /dev/xeon-enouf |
| 18:01.31 | xeon-enouf | blendmaster1024: yeah, you might be missing -common, or whatever |
| 18:01.31 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: and you install build-essential |
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| 18:01.37 | fxiny | ajavid: back to topic , yours can't be lower then mine : today i had a close encounter with zlib1g-dev while compiling a custom kernel ;) |
| 18:01.41 | xeon-enouf | !win jonaskoelker |
| 18:01.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, jonaskoelker! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:01.42 | blendmaster1024 | nope. it just cant find them |
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| 18:01.52 | ajavid | lower? what the fuck are you talking about fxiny :) |
| 18:02.04 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: !! :-) |
| 18:02.05 | jonaskoelker | dammit, I was hoping for the second prize in a beauty contest |
| 18:02.24 | ajavid | runs around fxiny in a circle |
| 18:02.31 | fxiny | ajavid: your (michigan index ) sentiment |
| 18:02.39 | ajavid | huh? |
| 18:02.41 | ajavid | dude... what? |
| 18:02.46 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: heh |
| 18:02.50 | blendmaster1024 | i have had this problem before with alsa |
| 18:02.57 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: he's refeerneceing ubooboo .. somehow |
| 18:03.01 | blendmaster1024 | i had to recompile the kernel to fix it |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: lay off the enter key |
| 18:03.12 | ajavid | yeah.. I don't get it. *shrug* moving on |
| 18:03.13 | xeon-enouf | ... |
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| 18:03.36 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, hes just in a pissy mood obviously |
| 18:03.44 | abrotman | ajavid: take it somewhere else |
| 18:03.52 | ajavid | lay off dude. |
| 18:04.08 | xeon-enouf | tosmo: nice one .. now to grep or awk or sed it for relevance :-) |
| 18:04.24 | fxiny | ajavid: me ? no way , i'm rebuilding it |
| 18:04.27 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, discovered a nice little awk script to run on the router |
| 18:04.30 | ajavid | fxiny, not you |
| 18:04.34 | DASPRiD | i wonder which package holds the program udevinfo? |
| 18:04.44 | abrotman | DASPRiD: ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 18:04.52 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: go to #ubuntu please already! |
| 18:05.01 | DASPRiD | abhoriel, the prople in linux know which debian package that is in? |
| 18:05.02 | ajavid | DASPRiD, you're not getting ANY MORE answers here, why don't you get that already? |
| 18:05.05 | DASPRiD | *people |
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| 18:05.20 | ajavid | go to your distros channel please. |
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| 18:05.20 | xeon-enouf | DASPRiD: in Debian it would depend which release/suite you are running |
| 18:05.21 | tosmo | xeon-enouf: tried, but it doesnt work. presumably stderr is not piped. well, i'll check that next time ;) |
| 18:05.45 | xeon-enouf | tosmo: hrm.. |
| 18:06.42 | fxiny | ajavid: Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.14 (20090728 1938) |
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| 18:06.47 | ajavid | .14? |
| 18:06.51 | ajavid | when? |
| 18:06.51 | fxiny | heheeh |
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| 18:06.58 | ajavid | judd versions irssi |
| 18:06.59 | judd | ajavid: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 lenny: 0.8.12-6 etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.14-1 squeeze: 0.8.14-1 |
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| 18:07.06 | fxiny | ajavid: compiled static and jailed :) |
| 18:07.09 | ajavid | oh bpo, sweet! |
| 18:07.17 | fxiny | no bpo ! |
| 18:07.44 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: with SSL connectivity to atleast oftc? :-) |
| 18:07.59 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: yes |
| 18:08.06 | ajavid | fxiny, I'm waiting for irssi-python to get stabler |
| 18:08.08 | xeon-enouf | !congratulate fxiny |
| 18:08.08 | dpkg | Good show fxiny, you did it! |
| 18:08.18 | ajavid | fxiny, do you have ANY idea how much ass irssi-python is going to kick? |
| 18:08.18 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: Kenny? |
| 18:08.25 | ajavid | Kenny? |
| 18:08.32 | ajavid | You bastards? |
| 18:08.33 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: the old Oakland Raiders quarterback? |
| 18:08.35 | asg | !kill Kenny |
| 18:08.35 | dpkg | tears a hole in Kenny's head with his teeth |
| 18:08.39 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: two hours jumping all over /lib and /share to get half a milion *.pm |
| 18:08.40 | ajavid | no idea. |
| 18:09.06 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: no scripts . just patience |
| 18:09.17 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: you must've learned a lot about jumping from watching those huge toads! :-p |
| 18:09.17 | ajavid | fxiny, I scritped for xorg |
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| 18:09.58 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: never rains : water level is at -3.94 |
| 18:10.21 | ajavid | huh?... guy... come on. |
| 18:10.29 | xeon-enouf | ouch ... i'll send ajavid over to perform a raindance |
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| 18:10.45 | fxiny | ajavid: can you drill ? :P |
| 18:10.58 | ajavid | uhm... how do you prevent svn repository from public eyes? |
| 18:11.05 | ajavid | but have logins for users |
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| 18:11.24 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: anyway , i did not like perl being in /lib and /share |
| 18:11.25 | ajavid | I eman have it publically open, but only for people who can authenticate, not to commit or update but to checkout even |
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| 18:11.38 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: ahhh ... i see now - cool |
| 18:11.46 | ajavid | should I protect the repository with .htaccess ? |
| 18:11.48 | ajavid | D: |
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| 18:13.25 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: hrm, how about set it up behind a proxy? from which you authenticate users from there? |
| 18:13.38 | ajavid | hmm |
| 18:13.42 | fxiny | ajavid: scripted for xorg what ? |
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| 18:13.53 | ajavid | fxiny, stuff that needed scripting :) |
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| 18:14.26 | fxiny | ajavid: xorg needs a sane rm -fr :P |
| 18:14.33 | ajavid | lol |
| 18:14.45 | ajavid | thats a bold statement man |
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| 18:15.17 | fxiny | ajavid: bold ? take this one : ... or an exorcist |
| 18:15.24 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: or .. even keep it locally and have users ssh in or something>? i mean, what's the purpose of "publically open" if you want to "prevent svn repository from public eyes?" |
| 18:15.35 | phlux | Ok, here's what I need to do.. I have about 10 text files filled with the word "teh" how do I change "teh" to "the" in all 10 files at the same time? |
| 18:15.49 | fxiny | ajavid: i don't like daemons down there ... |
| 18:15.57 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 18:16.08 | xeon-enouf | phlux: sed |
| 18:16.14 | xeon-enouf | with /g |
| 18:16.20 | phlux | 'sed' eh |
| 18:16.22 | petemc | phlux: sed -i 's/teh/the/g' * |
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| 18:16.37 | xeon-enouf | oh, well. use with a for loop too |
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| 18:16.46 | xeon-enouf | or that |
| 18:17.06 | xeon-enouf | if * == only the files you want touched ;-) |
| 18:17.12 | petemc | obviously |
| 18:17.13 | ajavid | xeon-enouf, ok |
| 18:17.18 | ajavid | so here is the idea |
| 18:17.28 | ajavid | I just hired a guy for frostedweb |
| 18:17.37 | ajavid | i need to give him access to my code repository |
| 18:17.52 | ajavid | but I don't want him to have ssh access on my box |
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| 18:18.04 | ajavid | dav_svn in apache, to check out and commit right |
| 18:18.08 | phlux | aha |
| 18:18.09 | phlux | thanks |
| 18:18.10 | ajavid | damn, sorry for ENTER |
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| 18:18.48 | ajavid | anyway, I need to password protect this, so its publically open, he can access it, but, only he can checkout or view code or anything |
| 18:18.55 | ajavid | just to access my svn in anyway should require auth |
| 18:19.01 | ajavid | thats what I'm trying to put in |
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| 18:20.36 | ajavid | and I think I need to reorganize my repositories |
| 18:20.42 | ajavid | its a fucking mess... |
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| 18:21.22 | fxiny | ajavid: no ssh ? what about sftp chrooted ? |
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| 18:21.34 | fxiny | no upload ? |
| 18:21.42 | fxiny | is a matter of a minute |
| 18:21.43 | phlux | petemc, that line you gave didn't change anything |
| 18:21.44 | phlux | :\ |
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| 18:22.28 | ajavid | dhodgkin, we're talking about you :) |
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| 18:22.50 | petemc | phlux: then i can only imagine you're doing it wrong |
| 18:22.50 | ajavid | fxiny, I guess I could chroot an entire LAMP/dev server env. |
| 18:22.57 | xeon-enouf | ajavid: or scponlyc or something maybe, or selinux env, or VM instance or something |
| 18:23.15 | ajavid | yeah, i thought about VM |
| 18:23.24 | fxiny | ajavid: too hard , run a vserver kernel then |
| 18:23.37 | ajavid | hmmm. lots of options :( |
| 18:23.47 | ajavid | thats the problem with open source, open choice ! |
| 18:24.16 | xeon-enouf | phlux: replace * with /path/to/dir/with-text-files (or just cd there first) |
| 18:24.27 | xeon-enouf | er, not replace, but prefix |
| 18:24.38 | fxiny | ajavid: one more coming , i hope : a freebsd kernel . gimem that one and i'll jail the f* world :) |
| 18:24.59 | ajavid | fxiny, you know, most of the time I have no idea what you're talking about :) |
| 18:24.59 | xeon-enouf | haha |
| 18:25.06 | cydork | ajavid: you can set anonymous user access to none. so only authenticated users will have access, check the svn book at red-bean. |
| 18:25.07 | ajavid | fxiny, so I'll just nod and smile :) |
| 18:25.16 | ajavid | cydork, yes already reading it :) |
| 18:25.21 | phlux | xeon-enouf, I did :\ |
| 18:25.22 | ajavid | cydork, I didn't know this one, thanks |
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| 18:25.39 | phlux | I ended up using find DIRECTORY -type f -exec sec -i 's/teh/the/g' {} \; |
| 18:25.44 | phlux | not sure why that worked instead |
| 18:25.51 | fxiny | ajavid: a freebsd kernel is the epitome of a jail |
| 18:26.07 | bio-tty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.39 | ret | Is there an estimated release on Debian 6? |
| 18:26.48 | sash_ | chellomere: yesterday, i asked about python2.6 and so on because of eee-control. now, i saw that there is a setup.py in the extracted directory which installs the program. *doh* |
| 18:26.48 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: Gnu/KFreeBSD? or just plane jane? :-) |
| 18:27.03 | bio-tty | whats the name of next stable? |
| 18:27.08 | xeon-enouf | !squeeze pool |
| 18:27.13 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 18:27.14 | cydork | ret: when its ready! |
| 18:27.25 | ret | Haha I'm just so anxious for it |
| 18:27.30 | ajavid | whats the name? when its ready? |
| 18:27.33 | ajavid | that makes no sesne :) |
| 18:27.34 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: kfree |
| 18:27.40 | ajavid | kfreebsd |
| 18:27.47 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: you mean sweet jane ? |
| 18:27.48 | ajavid | !kfreebsd |
| 18:27.48 | dpkg | i heard debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/ or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
| 18:27.51 | ret | Squeeze = current codenmae |
| 18:28.00 | ret | codename* |
| 18:28.06 | bio-tty | i meant debian gnu/linux |
| 18:28.19 | xeon-enouf | fxiny: indeed - i'll have no other jane other than sweet ones ";-) |
| 18:28.27 | fxiny | ajavid: you know ? they can do sub jails , child ! amazing |
| 18:28.44 | ajavid | you callin me a child? |
| 18:28.44 | bio-tty | Penix or Penis? |
| 18:28.51 | ajavid | fxiny, grampa! |
| 18:28.55 | wildc4rd_ | evening all |
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| 18:29.00 | bio-tty | sorry. someone has to do these stupid jokes. |
| 18:29.04 | ret | I NEEDZ TEH DEB 6 D: |
| 18:29.05 | fxiny | xeon-enouf: you forgot addiction , was'n that bad too :) |
| 18:29.11 | cydork | ret: though there is hope http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 18:29.23 | ajavid | dec. freeze, sprint release |
| 18:29.27 | ajavid | if everything goes to plan |
| 18:29.35 | ajavid | they said reconsideration will take place again |
| 18:29.37 | bio-tty | this bsd thing sound good. |
| 18:29.42 | xeon-enouf | !listvals pool |
| 18:29.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'pool' by value (15 of 52): berkeley spice ;; catherine ;; current alsa fix ;; http.us ;; lenny pool ;; memepool ;; net-tools ;; netselect.etch ;; package pool ;; packagepool ;; qotd213 ;; sextips ;; tater ;; woody freeze ;; xlart. |
| 18:29.47 | xeon-enouf | crap |
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| 18:30.18 | xeon-enouf | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 18:30.18 | dpkg | ! CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 valdyn=2010-10-30 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
| 18:30.24 | fxiny | ajavid: you ! grandpa a f* : a child of a jail ! |
| 18:30.48 | xeon-enouf | valdyn: cheater! :-P |
| 18:31.16 | ajavid | dude... WHAT!? |
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| 18:31.27 | fxiny | ajavid: and witout an ip , read read read , jsy let the kfree coming ... |
| 18:31.29 | ajavid | grampa fuck a child of a jail? |
| 18:31.29 | xeon-enouf | wanted listkeys that time instead |
| 18:31.33 | ajavid | wtf are you ona bout? |
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| 18:31.42 | ajavid | I giv eup |
| 18:31.48 | ajavid | dude... I give up! :( I can't do this man. |
| 18:31.54 | ajavid | nods and smiles |
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| 18:33.21 | fxiny | ajavid: oh f* sell : you know what a jail is ? ok . they can build a jail into another jail , with or without ip , got it now ? |
| 18:33.28 | fxiny | sell is ok |
| 18:33.34 | ajavid | oh |
| 18:33.41 | ajavid | ohhhhh seriously. |
| 18:33.45 | fxiny | yes |
| 18:33.49 | ajavid | fxiny, ok i get it. *nod* |
| 18:34.08 | ajavid | you're talking about jaling/chroing kfreebsd kernel? |
| 18:34.15 | ajavid | or soemthing? alongsime debian/linux kernel? |
| 18:34.27 | fxiny | something like that |
| 18:34.53 | ajavid | fxiny, GOT A LINK OR SOMETHING |
| 18:34.55 | ajavid | whops |
| 18:35.02 | ajavid | fxiny, link? |
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| 18:35.36 | fxiny | ajavid: google :) |
| 18:35.52 | ajavid | ok |
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| 18:36.26 | phlux | how can I see a list of all groups on my machine? |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | getent |
| 18:36.44 | xeon-enouf | phlux: getent group |
| 18:36.44 | bio-tty | cat /etc/group |
| 18:37.01 | xeon-enouf | phlux: /msg dpkg groups (as well) |
| 18:37.01 | bio-tty | getent is no more portable |
| 18:37.39 | bio-tty | isnt /etc/group unix98 or someinth? |
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| 18:37.58 | bio-tty | getent is "proprietary" |
| 18:38.10 | xeon-enouf | bio-tty: cat wouldn't work for say LDAP, afaik |
| 18:38.13 | ajavid | fxiny, hmmm interesting |
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| 18:38.27 | bio-tty | xeon-enouf: very good point. i see. i dont use NIX ans so ... |
| 18:38.32 | ajavid | fxiny, isn't sq. supposed to come with kfreebsd port officially |
| 18:38.33 | bio-tty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.27 | phlux | thanks |
| 18:39.45 | fxiny | ajavid: i like making jails , the very first thing i did after installing woody was jailing bitchx , after a week i did irssi |
| 18:39.58 | ajavid | fxiny, why? |
| 18:39.59 | bio-tty | jail my bitch |
| 18:40.17 | fxiny | ajavid: because bitchx was buggy |
| 18:40.27 | ajavid | I see |
| 18:40.34 | ajavid | fxiny, get to the choppa! |
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| 18:43.15 | ajavid | http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/#Incremental |
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| 18:46.59 | simonrvn | wonders how getent could possibly be 'proprietary' .... |
| 18:47.46 | Mister_X | hello guys |
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| 18:52.36 | Mister_X | 2 weeks ago (15 august) I updated my server and svn/trac is not working correctly since that time |
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| 18:52.51 | Mister_X | I mean, I just updated and it suddenly stopped working |
| 18:53.18 | Mister_X | (apache had errors with VirtualHost during the update; I fixed them, managed to start apache) |
| 18:53.42 | Mister_X | I can't login anymore on trac or commit anything in the svn |
| 18:53.57 | Mister_X | but checkout/showlog/... (all read operations) are working fine |
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| 18:54.46 | Mister_X | when I try to commit, before requesting the password, I get a 'path not found' (I can get the full error if needed) |
| 18:55.06 | Denise_ | you can be sure when I will mail my letter, everything will be right and in order in it. |
| 18:55.07 | Mister_X | with a friend of mine, we investigated to find out what's wrong |
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| 18:55.26 | Denise_ | you will be famous the rat |
| 18:55.31 | Denise_ | famous |
| 18:55.42 | Denise_ | but maybe not for the good reasons |
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| 18:55.57 | Idle | I'm having some memory usage issues on debian stable, amd64. It seems to be using an inordinate amount of memory, yet nothing is reporting using that memory |
| 18:55.57 | abrotman | Denise_: please stop |
| 18:55.59 | Mister_X | and we found that the error is the authentication (creating another svn without any login for commits works fine) |
| 18:56.08 | Mister_X | anybody already got that issue? |
| 18:56.17 | abrotman | Mister_X: did you check the BTS? |
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| 18:56.25 | Mister_X | abrotman, no |
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| 18:56.36 | Mister_X | I didn't think about it |
| 18:56.44 | Mister_X | but I googled a lot for that error |
| 18:56.49 | Mister_X | and did not find anything |
| 18:56.50 | ajavid | Idle, what? |
| 18:57.02 | ajavid | Idle, show us stuff |
| 18:57.23 | Idle | well, my system says it is using basically all of the memory, yet nothing is showing using any ammount of ram via ps aux |
| 18:57.30 | Idle | 1 sec |
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| 18:57.44 | ajavid | Idle, oh, common misconception (if thats what it is) |
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| 18:57.50 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 18:57.50 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 18:57.54 | ajavid | Idle, your entire memory is cached, but only as much is used as is needed |
| 18:57.56 | Idle | ajavid: I know ;) |
| 18:57.57 | ajavid | there ya go |
| 18:57.59 | Idle | its not cache |
| 18:58.01 | Idle | 1 sec |
| 18:58.04 | ajavid | ok |
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| 18:58.11 | Idle | http://uuoc.com/10913 |
| 18:58.36 | markw_ | anyone know what's used to create teh /usr/share/ca-certificates/ file tree? |
| 18:58.44 | Idle | ps aux reports not processes using more then 0.0% ram (191mb for rsyslogd, then 90mb for samba, and less from there) |
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| 18:59.17 | Idle | about half of my ram is used in cache, which I would expect |
| 18:59.30 | Idle | the other half is unaccounted for, and that scares me :( |
| 18:59.53 | Mister_X | abrotman, I didn't find anything in the bts |
| 18:59.54 | dondelelcaro | Idle: what does free output? |
| 19:00.09 | Idle | dondelelcaro: I pasted it to the above link :) |
| 19:00.11 | abrotman | Mister_X: on the svn package? |
| 19:00.25 | Mister_X | trac and apache |
| 19:00.36 | Mister_X | the problem is not svn |
| 19:00.44 | abrotman | i think i got lost |
| 19:00.52 | Mister_X | where? |
| 19:01.02 | abrotman | i thought you said it was an svn/trac issue? |
| 19:01.10 | Mister_X | I can't commit and I can't authenticate |
| 19:01.33 | Idle | right now, all I have is samba running |
| 19:01.36 | dondelelcaro | Idle: which kernel, arch and what is the complete output of ps axfu? |
| 19:01.42 | Mister_X | I can search on svn but I don't think I'll find anything |
| 19:01.46 | Idle | Linux mirror 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 07:12:04 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:02.20 | Idle | http://uuoc.com/10914 |
| 19:02.22 | Mister_X | abrotman, nothing for svn |
| 19:03.00 | Idle | I'm thinking that xfs is reporting its own cache as used memory |
| 19:04.27 | D3viL | anyone can help mister_x and me please ? i think its a problem with htaccess files and apache 2.2 ?? anyone got the same problem maybe ? |
| 19:04.28 | dondelelcaro | Idle: could be; other than that, it looks reasonable |
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| 19:05.14 | Idle | yea, the system seems pretty normal... it has a fairly low number of interupts per second (under 100), but it seems ok to me other then the high usage |
| 19:05.27 | Mister_X | (apache 2.2.12) |
| 19:05.29 | Idle | I'm just worried because I'm going to need that ram soon enough |
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| 19:06.16 | abrotman | Mister_X: do you have the text of the error? |
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| 19:06.28 | Mister_X | when I commit? |
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| 19:07.28 | emdete | i found bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296940 still not working. is someone around also using mutt? any idea? is it possible / senseful to reopen the bug? |
| 19:07.50 | Mister_X | http://pastebin.com/d7c2ea15 |
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| 19:07.59 | Mister_X | the hex string change at every try |
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| 19:12.16 | subsume | Any idea why only ssl connection and sudo commands would hang? |
| 19:12.39 | Mister_X | overloaded server maybe |
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| 19:12.45 | Mister_X | check if it not swapping a lot |
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| 19:12.57 | subsume | top reports no swap used |
| 19:13.05 | subsume | plenty of mem available |
| 19:13.22 | Mister_X | what cpu? a recent cpu? |
| 19:13.32 | petemc | subsume: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
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| 19:13.56 | Glaxy | hey guys, so my SSH sessions keep stalling if I'm idle on them for ~7 hours or so. I then have to close my terminal window and reconnect to whatever server I was previously connected to. I'm positive the reason is because of some server-side setting, however, I'm not sure what to do. It only happen if the connection is idle...so if I have tail -f access.log it will not disconnect as information will be coming in, however if th |
| 19:14.01 | subsume | petemc: 358 |
| 19:14.18 | petemc | subsume: thats a bit low, not sure if its the cause of your problem tho |
| 19:14.23 | subsume | Mister_X: yeah, xen host... and like i said all other functions are normal |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | Glaxy: a firewall/router with a timeout |
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| 19:14.53 | Idle | thanks guys. :) |
| 19:15.02 | subsume | petemc: yeah, well wouldn't that slow down an 'ls' command, too? |
| 19:15.12 | Mister_X | Glaxy, there's a setting for that in sshd_config |
| 19:15.16 | subsume | sudo ls hangs for no less than 10 seconds |
| 19:15.23 | petemc | subsume: no, why would it? |
| 19:15.52 | Glaxy | Glaxy: for sure? |
| 19:16.08 | Glaxy | Mister_X: for sure, and if so, how could I remedy this? |
| 19:16.10 | subsume | petemc: I didn't think sudo ls and ls would be treated differently, I guess. |
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| 19:16.50 | Mister_X | Glaxy, http://www.pastie.org/600772 |
| 19:16.56 | Mister_X | that's the settings on my server |
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| 19:18.25 | lost_eden | are there any rtorrent web HUIs/interfaces in the Debian repositories? |
| 19:18.45 | Mister_X | maybe torrentflux |
| 19:19.37 | Mister_X | that's a web interface |
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| 19:21.10 | lost_eden | has 121MB of dependencies :/ |
| 19:21.15 | Mister_X | abrotman, did you see the error? http://pastebin.com/d7c2ea15 |
| 19:21.29 | abrotman | that's the entier thing? |
| 19:21.34 | Mister_X | yes |
| 19:21.37 | Mister_X | from svn |
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| 19:22.01 | Mister_X | and I can't authenticate on trac (it's telling me to configure authentication; it has been working for 3 years) |
| 19:22.09 | Mister_X | s/has been/was |
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| 19:22.32 | Mister_X | s/for/ |
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| 19:35.36 | Glaxy | how can I dump the current config of sshd ? |
| 19:35.38 | LeM` | ?? |
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| 19:35.58 | maximumi | Hello |
| 19:36.16 | maximumi | i have cloning debian install with clonezilla |
| 19:36.49 | maximumi | and restore this on computer with serial ata controler |
| 19:36.53 | maximumi | (/dev/sda) |
| 19:37.00 | maximumi | first boot don't work |
| 19:37.08 | cahoot | Glaxy: the sshd_config isn't enough? |
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| 19:37.40 | maximumi | boot on live cd and update /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/grub.conf /etc/fstab |
| 19:37.44 | subsume | I think I got it petemc. Removd a bunch of IPs but not their refrence in network/interfaces. i think its causing oddness. |
| 19:37.49 | maximumi | after this it work |
| 19:38.30 | maximumi | but when i update my kernel with aptitude the configuration of /boot/grub/menu.lst as remode (back to /dev/hda1) ... |
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| 19:38.54 | maximumi | it's due update-grub apparently... |
| 19:39.31 | phlux | how can I flush my DNS cache? |
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| 19:39.33 | maximumi | when i launch this manually i have the same |
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| 19:45.03 | xeon-enouf | markw: ca-certificates pkg |
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| 19:46.02 | shad0w1e | hey whats the best way to get svn 1.6.5 on debian? |
| 19:46.06 | shad0w1e | lenny |
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| 19:47.44 | dondelelcaro | shad0w1e: wait for it to be uploaded to backports. 1.6.4 is already there |
| 19:47.54 | shad0w1e | backports. perfect |
| 19:47.55 | shad0w1e | thank you |
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| 19:47.59 | shad0w1e | 1.6.4 is fine for now |
| 19:48.05 | shad0w1e | i was seeing 1.5.. |
| 19:48.41 | dondelelcaro | 1.5.1 is what was released with lenny |
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| 19:49.15 | zeroConf | thanks folks |
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| 19:51.46 | shad0w1e | is there some way to add backports to sources, such that generally (unless i specify otherwise) an install would install the stable version of something? |
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| 19:57.11 | shad0w1e | oh its default -- slick! |
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| 20:00.53 | maximumi | work !!! |
| 20:00.55 | maximumi | in /boot/grub/menu.lst and grub.conf |
| 20:01.03 | maximumi | # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 20:01.13 | maximumi | comment with one # it is the default parameter used by update-grub (automagics) |
| 20:01.25 | maximumi | it's work !!! |
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| 20:03.45 | d_b | I want something for VoIP. Is there something that will be easy to set up for the windows user I want to talk with? Besides Skype? I'd prefer something open on my side if there's something easy on the windows side. Otherwise, is there a recommended repository for Skype or do I need to do a manual install? I'm using Debian Lenny 64 bit. |
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| 20:13.42 | sgoodman | I want to change the keyboard layout used during login. Wondering what the preferred method for doing this is. |
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| 20:14.45 | mhoney | how do I set a directory to always give files created in it +rw for the group that owns the directory no matter who the user is that created the file? |
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| 20:15.50 | pappanz | hello. what is the image file default to the xfce menu icon (debian logo)? |
| 20:15.56 | abrotman | sgoodman: which login? |
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| 20:17.52 | sgoodman | abrotman: the initial gnome/x login |
| 20:18.06 | sgoodman | abrotman: its a graphical login, not text based. i think thats what ur asking |
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| 20:18.37 | abrotman | !xorg config |
| 20:18.37 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Things like resolution are configured by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. As a result, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often mostly blank but you can feed xorg settings using it still. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout and use "X -configure" as a template for your handwritten xorg.conf. |
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| 20:19.33 | sgoodman | can i manually edit my xorg.conf? |
| 20:19.39 | sgoodman | safely, that is |
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| 20:20.09 | d_b | sgoodman: make a backup so you can restore it if anything goes wrong |
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| 20:20.23 | Titan8990_ | sgoodman, the only danger is modlines + crt monitors |
| 20:20.42 | Titan8990_ | d_b, ehh, these days where xorg.conf is not needed, a backup is no biggie |
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| 20:21.14 | sgoodman | ok, sounds good |
| 20:21.16 | sgoodman | ill try that |
| 20:21.19 | adb | sgoodman: X -configure , may help .. |
| 20:21.25 | jmardonesk | helo all, i have some troubles with a DNS in debian, I dont know what happen, but one domain its imposible to resolve, and the domain is fine |
| 20:21.43 | d_b | Titan8990_: who said it was a biggie? still good to make a copy of the original so you can restore it if x doesn't start. |
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| 20:22.00 | sgoodman | makes sense |
| 20:22.04 | petemc | jmardonesk: how do you know its fine? |
| 20:22.10 | abrotman | jmardonesk: were you going to share the domain name? |
| 20:22.14 | sgoodman | X -configure gave me a Fatal server error: Server is already active. |
| 20:22.23 | sgoodman | do i have to run this after xserver has been shut down? |
| 20:22.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:22.29 | sgoodman | ill just edit the file manually thanks |
| 20:22.34 | sgoodman | good to know about tho |
| 20:22.41 | Titan8990_ | d_b, well, i would be willing to be that it was generated at the point is now, can be generated again |
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| 20:23.05 | Titan8990_ | d_b, i have 10 or so different xorg.conf on my laptops but when HAL support was added to xserver, just no need anymore |
| 20:23.17 | dhodgkin | ajavid: what ever you're saying about me better NOT be good!!! :P |
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| 20:23.59 | dhodgkin | two hours late on that reply, oh well |
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| 20:24.16 | anwoke | anyone know how well tomcat and debian work together? |
| 20:24.24 | anwoke | I mean tomcat and apache? |
| 20:24.52 | martianixor | hi, guys how can I list kernel modules according to their dependency on each other or list their dependencies |
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| 20:25.10 | jmardonesk | petemc, abrotman http://pastebin.com/d4f2a243c |
| 20:26.24 | jmardonesk | its really extrange, the domain elranco.cl from my work its impossible to resolve... |
| 20:26.42 | jmardonesk | and from home, works good. |
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| 20:28.39 | martianixor | thanks guys, lsmod already list dependencies ... sorta |
| 20:28.46 | Tramp | martianixor: man modinfo maybe |
| 20:28.54 | Tramp | nice alliteration |
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| 20:29.03 | anwoke | how easy is it to install tomcat on debian lenny? |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | jmardonesk: works fine here |
| 20:30.13 | martianixor | Tramp: thank you so much :-) |
| 20:30.22 | Tramp | yw |
| 20:30.25 | abrotman | anwoke: aptitude install tomcat .. read the docs |
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| 20:30.31 | abrotman | maybe it's tomcat5.5 |
| 20:30.38 | jmardonesk | abrotman, i know, from my home works fine too, but i dont know |
| 20:30.48 | abrotman | jmardonesk: maybe work is doing evil things? |
| 20:30.49 | agike | Hi, my apt-get is segfaulting. I have cleared cache and cannot find apt.conf in lenny. How does one do this in a sid/squeeze system ? |
| 20:30.50 | jmardonesk | from my work dont work... |
| 20:30.55 | jmardonesk | :D |
| 20:30.58 | abrotman | !apt breakage |
| 20:30.58 | dpkg | apt 0.7.23 segfaults. Installing an older version and pinning it at priority 9999 works around this. Ask me about <pinning>. See http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apt/ for the (older) squeeze package. |
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| 20:32.24 | jelly-home | judd: versions apt |
| 20:32.24 | judd | jelly-home: apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1 etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1 lenny: 0.7.20.2 lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1 squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 squeeze: 0.7.22.2 sid: 0.7.23.1 |
| 20:32.47 | valdyn | thats a new version.. |
| 20:32.51 | martianixor | Tramp: yes that's what I was looking for modinfo -F thank you again ! |
| 20:33.54 | agike | dpkg: thanks for that. What was that about pinning ? |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | de rien, agike |
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| 20:34.48 | agike | dpkg: merci |
| 20:34.48 | dpkg | merci is, like, thanks in french |
| 20:35.15 | agike | dpkg: mais oui .. |
| 20:35.16 | dpkg | i don't know, agike |
| 20:35.28 | adb | heh |
| 20:35.33 | agike | dpkg: pourqui ? |
| 20:35.34 | dpkg | agike: i haven't a clue |
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| 20:36.05 | valdyn | dpkg: no, apt breakage is fixed in apt 7.23.1 |
| 20:36.05 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 20:36.10 | tzafrir_laptop | agike, not in public, please! |
| 20:36.15 | agike | dpkg: I admire your intellectual modesty .. |
| 20:36.15 | dpkg | agike: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:36.25 | tzafrir_laptop | (/msg dpkg whatever) |
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| 20:37.44 | kevin01123 | When I suspend my system on the stock Lenny kernel, my screen freezes on resume. When I suspend my system on the backported 2.6.30 kernel and resume, my wireless is broken, my brightness doesn't restore, and my synaptics touchpad is broken. How can I fix these issues? I'm not worried about the stock kernel, because my wireless doesn't work with it, I just thought it was peculiar. |
| 20:37.46 | jelly-home | dpkg: apt breakage =~ s/7/0.7/ |
| 20:37.46 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
| 20:38.04 | valdyn | thanks |
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| 20:39.54 | valdyn | kevin01123: how are you suspending? |
| 20:40.19 | kevin01123 | valdyn: Using kpowersave. |
| 20:40.37 | valdyn | kevin01123: does its GUI support quirks? |
| 20:41.14 | kevin01123 | valdyn: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 20:41.38 | valdyn | kevin01123: quirk = workaround for known bugs |
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| 20:42.00 | kevin01123 | valdyn: No, it doesn't. |
| 20:42.16 | valdyn | kevin01123: read the manpage to pm-suspend, try suspending using "pm-suspend --auto-quirks" for example |
| 20:42.24 | midkniht | wtf |
| 20:42.37 | midkniht | does *: midkniht not work in the /etc/aliases |
| 20:42.39 | valdyn | kevin01123: theres various quirks listed that you can try |
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| 20:42.58 | valdyn | kevin01123: for the wlan you could just reload the driver after suspend anyway |
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| 20:43.48 | kevin01123 | valdyn: /etc/init.d/network-manger stop && rmmod iwlagn && modprobe iwlagn && /etc/init.d/network-manager start get annoying after every suspend. |
| 20:44.02 | valdyn | kevin01123: no one said you need to do that manually |
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| 20:44.28 | kevin01123 | I've tried setting SUSPEND_MODULES="iwlagn" in /etc/pm/config.d/. |
| 20:44.32 | kevin01123 | Didn't work. |
| 20:44.36 | lotu | Hey I'm haveing trouble installing nvidia drivers in squeeze. I'm useing the module-assistiant |
| 20:44.49 | lotu | The build fails |
| 20:45.13 | Schizoid | Can some one explain any difference between the linux-image-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 packages? |
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| 20:45.37 | valdyn | Schizoid: you can, after you read the package description ;) |
| 20:45.38 | beardy | Schizoid: 2.6- |
| 20:46.14 | chellomere | Schizoid, linux-image-686 would depend on newest stable linux-image-x.x-686 |
| 20:46.15 | Schizoid | valdyn: they both have the same description and they are both 2.6.30+20 kernels. |
| 20:46.26 | beardy | Schizoid: When 2.85 come, linux-image-686 will depend on that for 686 machines. The other one will not. |
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| 20:46.37 | valdyn | Schizoid: so they both do the same? duh |
| 20:46.43 | lotu | and the log says that I have different versions between the kernel and and the current compiler (4.3.3 vs 4.3.4) I don't seed how to install gcc 4.3.3 or what to do from here. Can anyone help me? |
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| 20:47.10 | Schizoid | beardy: so I should use linux-image-686? |
| 20:47.14 | valdyn | Schizoid: thats completely right. |
| 20:47.23 | beardy | Schizoid: Yep. |
| 20:47.48 | valdyn | lotu: ignore that warninga bout the version difference, its irrelevant |
| 20:48.26 | lotu | valdyn: I still get build errors though. |
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| 20:48.46 | valdyn | lotu: thats build errors, those are important, they are not related to the version warning |
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| 20:51.17 | Schizoid | ok, another quick question then. I have installed linux-image-686, but a related line has not been added to my grub.cfg file. Should it have been? |
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| 20:52.21 | lotu | valdyn: this is the errorlog http://pastebin.com/f482f5b01 |
| 20:53.24 | abrotman | Schizoid: that's a metapackage |
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| 21:05.55 | rue_house | here is one you should have heard before...dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libtype1.so: undefined symbol: Type1RegisterFontFileFunctions |
| 21:06.00 | rue_house | anyone know what to tell me? |
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| 21:06.45 | rue_house | stop jumping ship and help me!! :) |
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| 21:16.51 | williamwho | is there any d-i build/media that lets me install with Ext4 for root? all the d-i daily builds for the last 6 months failed on me :( |
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| 21:17.33 | Psi-Jack_ | OKay, so why doesn't my ssh key work when I'm sshing from one box TO a debian lenny box, despite the fact I made the .ssh directory, and put the authorized_keys file in place with the proper key? |
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| 21:17.56 | petemc | Psi-Jack_: permissions? |
| 21:18.02 | Psi-Jack_ | Nope. |
| 21:18.11 | Psi-Jack_ | Not permissions, 100% accurate |
| 21:18.22 | petemc | !debug sshd |
| 21:18.23 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 21:20.53 | rue_house | here is one you should have heard before... 'dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libtype1.so: undefined symbol: Type1RegisterFontFileFunctions' anyone know what to do? |
| 21:21.18 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:21.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 21:21.54 | Evet | how to achieve 32,000 file limit for a directory? |
| 21:22.21 | Psi-Jack_ | Heh, okay. And in the group file, would it be okay to just rename sudo to wheel? |
| 21:22.43 | zleap | Psi-Jack, why would you want to do that |
| 21:22.58 | Psi-Jack_ | zleap, Because I prefer following the unix standard. |
| 21:23.05 | zleap | ah |
| 21:23.08 | Psi-Jack_ | Which is using the wheel group |
| 21:23.10 | simonrvn | Evet: um, just for loop touch and seq or something... |
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| 21:23.28 | petemc | Psi-Jack_: /msg dpkg wheel |
| 21:23.44 | zleap | won't doing that break anything that uses the sudo group, unless you changed the group permissions from anyone in sudo to wheel |
| 21:23.47 | Evet | simonrvn, huh? |
| 21:23.54 | rue_house | simonrvn, its aleady been logged by a few people, I dont see anything about a fix though |
| 21:24.11 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 21:24.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in Debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 21:24.30 | rue_house | Evet, 32000? I have way more than that in one of them.. |
| 21:24.36 | simonrvn | Evet: it's a shell. use it ;) |
| 21:24.38 | Psi-Jack_ | Yes. |
| 21:24.46 | Psi-Jack_ | petemc, And, that told me absolutely nothing I wanted to know. |
| 21:24.51 | ret | blow_fish has been kicked off channel ##bsd by dayid (please learn english or find a language-apropriate room) |
| 21:24.55 | ret | anone see the irony? |
| 21:24.57 | ret | anyone* |
| 21:25.04 | Psi-Jack_ | There is no wheel group in Debian base, but yet installing sudo, created a sudo group. |
| 21:25.09 | Evet | rue_house, really? how can you do that? |
| 21:25.28 | petemc | Psi-Jack_: it mentions using a pam module to only allow people in that group to su |
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| 21:25.42 | Psi-Jack_ | petemc, Again, there's no wheel group in debian base. |
| 21:25.45 | rue_house | I shoudl check the count, I have a bot that logs nicks by touching a file with their name |
| 21:25.55 | Psi-Jack_ | Hence, my wishes to simply just rename the sudo group to wheel. |
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| 21:26.28 | phlux | Anyone running named(bind9?) |
| 21:26.36 | Psi-Jack_ | !anyone |
| 21:26.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:26.41 | phlux | Alrighty |
| 21:26.42 | petemc | Psi-Jack_: again, if you want to add one, and have it function the same way it does on "standard unix", you can use a pam module |
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| 21:26.56 | phlux | I need to set BIND9 up for hosting ipv6 DNS |
| 21:27.02 | Psi-Jack_ | petemc, I KNOW THAT! |
| 21:27.05 | phlux | I'm not even sure where to start. |
| 21:27.08 | Psi-Jack_ | petemc, THAT WAS NOT my question. |
| 21:27.32 | Psi-Jack_ | petemc, My question is: Can I simply just rename the sudo group that the sudo package created, to wheel, and use that without effecting anything else? |
| 21:27.51 | Psi-Jack_ | Pretty simple, really. ;) |
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| 21:29.51 | Psi-Jack_ | No clue? |
| 21:30.16 | phlux | can anyone help me set up BIND9 for ipv6 addresses? |
| 21:30.44 | Psi-Jack_ | Alright, back in 5min, heading home, and Psi-Jack's here too, so I'll get any missed conversation while I go home. |
| 21:31.53 | oreo_ | Hey guys! Is there a way to not make innodb consume 100MB of RAM just by enabling it? (disabling it doesn't seem to be an option since roundcube uses it) |
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| 21:32.37 | petemc | oreo_: use sqlite? |
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| 21:34.20 | dokma | Is there a way to list all installed metapkgs? |
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| 21:35.39 | oreo_ | petemc: roundcube requires mysql or pgsql |
| 21:35.51 | mhymn | dokma: dpkg -l | grep metapackage ? |
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| 21:36.12 | dokma | didn't notice mention of metapackage in dpkg -l |
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| 21:36.38 | dokma | perhaps I already removed all of them |
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| 21:37.01 | tisepti | what channel should i be using for questions on making .deb packages? |
| 21:38.24 | petemc | oreo_: im using sqlite with it |
| 21:38.36 | oreo_ | ah so they forgot to update their site then |
| 21:38.49 | petemc | i doubt that |
| 21:38.54 | oreo_ | if i can use sqlite with exim and dovecot then yes that could be an alternative |
| 21:38.56 | mhymn | tisepti: #debian-mentors on oftc probably, or even here, consider reading nmg too |
| 21:39.01 | petemc | also, perhaps look at the roundcube-sqlite package |
| 21:39.13 | oreo_ | "RoundCube Webmail is written in PHP and requires a MySQL or Postgres database. " |
| 21:39.19 | oreo_ | from their main page |
| 21:39.47 | petemc | im not sure i get your point |
| 21:39.54 | petemc | you just want to argue? |
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| 21:41.15 | oreo_ | petemc: you said that you doubted me, so i was just saying that they did forget to update their site |
| 21:41.27 | petemc | well done |
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| 21:43.14 | Psi-Jack | Aight |
| 21:43.21 | oreo_ | jee what's wrong with you petemc |
| 21:43.24 | oreo_ | you're uptight |
| 21:43.45 | Psi-Jack | So, again, is it safe to rename the sudo group to wheel without any side effects? |
| 21:44.22 | prahal_ | Psi-Jack, why don't you use the adm group ? |
| 21:44.32 | petemc | because thats just for reading logs |
| 21:44.41 | Psi-Jack | prahal_: That's for other things, like reading logs. |
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| 21:48.58 | d_b | I'm looking for a VoIP solution. I'd prefer something free instead of Skype, and I'll be using it to talk to a windows user. Any suggestions? Is Ekiga the best solution? |
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| 21:50.50 | mandric1 | hello, I was planning on writing a script when I install new machines that hardens various security things ... is there something already out there that I should crib from or use? |
| 21:50.59 | zleap | d_b, asterisk |
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| 21:51.32 | moncky | mandric1: if you are going to have a master server available you should have a look at puppet |
| 21:51.35 | ls | hii |
| 21:51.47 | ls | hoq to grub 2 install for debian |
| 21:51.52 | ls | help me please |
| 21:51.56 | mandric1 | moncky: ah i've heard of puppet |
| 21:51.58 | Psi-Jack | d_b: Best, is a matter of opinion. More Windows users will know and maybe even have Skype, however, most Windows users won't even know what ekiga is. |
| 21:52.16 | moncky | mandric1: it has the added advantage of making config changes accross your systems if required also |
| 21:52.16 | Titan8990 | ls, thats like the worst question asking EVER.... |
| 21:52.32 | mandric1 | moncky: ah sweet i should get familiar with it |
| 21:52.44 | ls | Titan8990, qhy? |
| 21:52.46 | Titan8990 | !tell ls about grub2 |
| 21:52.56 | oreo_ | petemc: thanks for the heads up for sqlite =) |
| 21:52.59 | d_b | zleap: really? it seems to be alot more than I'm looking for. |
| 21:53.09 | moncky | mandric1: yeah I am currently playing with that along with func and cobbler to create an automated installation and configuration system |
| 21:53.17 | Titan8990 | ls, because all you did was say "help me please".... what have you tried? what has failed? what problems are you having |
| 21:53.19 | ls | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.19 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 21:53.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:53.26 | petemc | oreo_: np :) |
| 21:53.38 | Titan8990 | ls, example above |
| 21:53.41 | d_b | Psi-Jack: the person I want to talk with doesn't have anything so whatever I choose will be fine as long as we can talk with good sound quality and least amount of trouble |
| 21:53.47 | mandric1 | moncky: gosh, three tools? |
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| 21:54.10 | Psi-Jack | d_b: Least amount of trouble? Get a Netgear WiFi Skype phone, and have them install Skype. Simple resolution. |
| 21:54.11 | ls | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.25 | Psi-Jack | d_b: Skype, for me, works just fine, I even pay for skype in/out services both, and have no problem at all. |
| 21:54.42 | moncky | mandric1: yeah cobbler deals with the install, puppet with the config and func with reporting |
| 21:54.45 | pickcoder | wonders how long Skype is going to be around |
| 21:54.49 | moncky | mandric1: one tool one job |
| 21:54.56 | mandric1 | yeap the unix way ;) |
| 21:55.16 | d_b | Psi-Jack: I use 64 bit though so that's trouble on my side. |
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| 21:55.32 | Psi-Jack | d_b: Skype works just fine 32 bit and 64bit. |
| 21:55.41 | Titan8990 | ls, maybe a channel of your native language would help |
| 21:55.47 | moncky | mandric1: but for your purposes puppet should do the trick :D |
| 21:55.54 | mandric1 | ok |
| 21:56.00 | mandric1 | reading up |
| 21:56.07 | ls | i little speak english |
| 21:56.10 | ls | but |
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| 21:56.53 | Titan8990 | ls, little enough for me to tell pretty quickly english is not your native language |
| 21:57.16 | pickcoder | ls, until you ask a comprehendible question it is impossible to help |
| 21:57.41 | d_b | Psi-Jack: really? installing skype on 64-bit seemed like alot of trouble. From what I've read I need to get packages from sid and then manually install some skype package |
| 21:58.02 | pickcoder | d_b: does it not work when the ia32-libs are installed? |
| 21:58.12 | Psi-Jack | d_b: sid? Now there's your problem. Using an unstable distribution release. ;) |
| 21:58.35 | d_b | Psi-Jack: I'm using Lenny, but I read something about having to get packages from sid. |
| 21:58.51 | epifanio | hi All |
| 21:58.52 | d_b | pickcoder: if you're right then it might not be so hard after all. |
| 21:58.57 | Psi-Jack | d_b: I don't use Debian for a desktop environment. I use it only for servers, because that's where it accels more at. |
| 21:59.08 | Psi-Jack | d_b: Read? |
| 21:59.10 | epifanio | i'm looking for a fast-safe way to create .deb packages for few sw i'm installing some from source. |
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| 21:59.21 | Psi-Jack | d_b: How about you actually try it for once, and realize, Skype makes Debian packages for lenny |
| 21:59.22 | honschu | Hi, is it somehow possible that a window don't recieve key/mouse events so that the window below gets it? I ask because I just want to show a window. |
| 21:59.33 | epifanio | i'm starting from a debian sid (on a fresh sid.iso i just enabled non-free repository and run apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get install "some dependencies") |
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| 22:00.28 | epifanio | then i build the sorce code for sw that use a standard build system (./configure && make && make install) |
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| 22:01.12 | epifanio | how can i create .deb packages for this sw i'm installing from source? can i use ceckinstall or have you any suggestion ? |
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| 22:01.27 | mhymn | d_b: it's probably the best time to consider using free alternatives imo. ekiga, kphone, twinkle,... |
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| 22:02.46 | mhymn | epifanio: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 22:03.23 | d_b | Psi-Jack: I know Skype makes Debian packages, the problem is that they don't support 64bit and I don't know how to install it on 64bit. I have read, and I'm reading right now. |
| 22:03.31 | epifanio | mhymn: what does it do ? |
| 22:03.35 | moncky | exit |
| 22:04.24 | pickcoder | d_b: even if it's 32-bit it should still run under 64-bit via ia32-libs, unless there are libc6 version requirements which are not available in Lenny |
| 22:04.59 | mhymn | !tell epifanio -about nmg |
| 22:04.59 | pickcoder | I have binary running on AMB64 that's like 10 years old |
| 22:05.05 | pickcoder | ~AMD64 |
| 22:05.05 | apt | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
| 22:05.13 | mhymn | epifanio: read the dpkg's pm |
| 22:05.39 | d_b | pickcoder: alright, I'll give it a try then with nothing but ia32-libs |
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| 22:06.54 | Psi-Jack | d_b: The point is, they don't make it 64bit at all, and you don't need it to be, iyou can use 32bit just fine. |
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| 22:09.09 | ajavid | dpkg, hi |
| 22:09.09 | dpkg | que tal, ajavid |
| 22:09.14 | ajavid | apt, hi |
| 22:09.15 | apt | hello, ajavid |
| 22:09.34 | ajavid | pickcoder, I don't think apt is syncd uptodate with dpkg |
| 22:09.43 | adb | judd: hi |
| 22:09.43 | judd | adb: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. |
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| 22:10.07 | ajavid | whoah |
| 22:10.09 | ajavid | holy balls |
| 22:10.18 | ajavid | apt currently reference 116427 factoids. |
| 22:10.25 | ajavid | dpkg currently reference 39040 factoids |
| 22:10.25 | dpkg | ajavid: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:10.57 | ajavid | well... isn't that magical. |
| 22:11.18 | mhymn | well, considering the tldp then dpkg will win |
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| 22:13.47 | d_b | Thanks to those helping me with Skype. I installed ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and did "dpkg -i --force-architecture skype-debian_2.1.0.47-1_i386.deb". It's running. |
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| 22:14.49 | flower_ | install debian daily kde fails can t install grub on hda0 :( |
| 22:14.56 | xeon-enouf | i guess ia32-libs was recently re-added/fixed? |
| 22:15.14 | xeon-enouf | or .. was that ia32-apt or something |
| 22:15.28 | Arrowmaster | ia32-apt-get was removed |
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| 22:15.50 | xeon-enouf | flower_: grub2? starts at hda1 |
| 22:15.50 | Arrowmaster | ia32-libs was readded for a while until multiarch is done |
| 22:16.05 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: ahh, ok |
| 22:16.08 | xeon-enouf | thanks |
| 22:16.19 | bzed | xeon-enouf: luckily ia32-apt-get is gone for good |
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| 22:16.31 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 22:16.34 | bzed | xeon-enouf: until there is multiarch in place, we'll have the old ia32-libs package in place |
| 22:16.46 | epifanio | i'm tring to obtain the list of dependencies for an application i've installed, its binary executable is : "/usr/local/bin/grass65" . i tried : objdump -p /usr/local/bin/grass65 | grep NEEDED ; but i have this log : objdump: /usr/local/bin/grass65: File format not recognized |
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| 22:17.06 | d_b | Hm, the font in Skype looks pretty bad. I'm looking at Qt Configuration but I don't see anything about antialias. Anyone know if there's a solution? |
| 22:17.15 | flower_ | xeon-enouf: grub2 yes... how to tell the graphical installer? |
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| 22:17.46 | xeon-enouf | flower_: and it's either (hd0,X) or hdX,X, or hda or hda1, not hda0 (for even grub1 == grub-legacy) |
| 22:17.49 | Arrowmaster | d_b: i had that problem with smplayer and somehow i fixed it but sadly i have no idea how i fixed it |
| 22:18.43 | xeon-enouf | flower_: flower_ hda1 would be first partition of hda, or, in grub2 (hd0,1) |
| 22:18.52 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, no... you install to hd0 in grub-legacy |
| 22:19.09 | Titan8990 | well, can and probably should |
| 22:19.17 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: you can sure --or-- a partition |
| 22:19.28 | flower_ | it says hd0 |
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| 22:19.39 | xeon-enouf | (MBR install is suggested - yes, i recommend it too) |
| 22:19.49 | flower_ | But that fails |
| 22:19.57 | d_b | Arrowmaster: lol, I just chose a random font from the list instead of the one I use in Gnome and now it looks good. "Samyak Oriya" , nice :) |
| 22:20.07 | Titan8990 | flower_, with what error? |
| 22:20.07 | flower_ | XP is installed on the first partition... |
| 22:20.20 | xeon-enouf | flower_: fails how, any LVM invovlved? what's the exact command you're running or typing in? |
| 22:20.37 | chellomere | d_b, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriya_script |
| 22:20.47 | Titan8990 | flower_, then you have to install to mbr because you can only have one partition flagged as bootable |
| 22:20.49 | xeon-enouf | flower_: grub is a bootloader, do you want to use grubas bootloader or ? |
| 22:21.01 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: that does not matter |
| 22:21.05 | chellomere | d_b, that said, there may be latin characters in that font, but they are likely to be fetched from a fallback font, and not from that font. |
| 22:21.18 | Titan8990 | flower_, but you still haven't mentioned the error |
| 22:21.32 | d_b | chellomere: ah, well so far I don't see any problem with it though |
| 22:21.34 | Titan8990 | xeon-enouf, ever tried to install grub to a partition on the same disc as a windows install? |
| 22:21.38 | xeon-enouf | Linux partitions never have to be flagged as Bootable, AFAIK |
| 22:21.39 | flower_ | grub-install (hd0)" fails |
| 22:21.45 | flower_ | no LVM |
| 22:21.55 | chellomere | d_b, there prolly won't be :) |
| 22:21.58 | Arrowmaster | dmraid? |
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| 22:22.10 | chellomere | just pointing out. |
| 22:22.14 | xeon-enouf | flower_: #grub can likely help - did you load modules using insmod ? |
| 22:22.14 | Titan8990 | flower_, grub; root (hdx,x); setup hd0 |
| 22:22.29 | flower_ | I use graphical installer |
| 22:23.30 | flower_ | mostly default options, choose noatime, and / with startup flag |
| 22:24.25 | flower_ | how can I reach the terminal? |
| 22:24.31 | flower_ | if that is useful? |
| 22:24.41 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-f1 probably |
| 22:24.46 | Titan8990 | boot the system? |
| 22:25.14 | xeon-enouf | flower_: 1st, i really think you might want to drop to ctrl-alt-f2, to get out of GUI installer, then start a shell, then alt-f4 to see messages |
| 22:25.18 | Arrowmaster | ctrl-alt-f4 should give you a virtual terminal were all debug stuff is being printed to |
| 22:26.36 | xeon-enouf | flower_: and, the Daily images are sometimes broken - please file an installation report at some time - thanks - might want to try another installer (Weekly -- or Lenny, then upgrade) |
| 22:27.19 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if the dmraid+lvm2+ext4 issue i was having got fixed |
| 22:27.23 | xeon-enouf | Titan8990: to answer your windows question; yes |
| 22:27.53 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: i think it might be - though any one of those could be an issue :-P |
| 22:27.53 | flower_ | /usr/sbin/grub-install 400: |
| 22:27.58 | flower_ | cmp: not found |
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| 22:28.53 | Arrowmaster | xeon-enouf: it wouldnt let me use grub-legacy, and grub2 doesnt support dmraid, i actually got around it by using the 5.0r2 installer to install a minimal system with grub-legacy then installed over that without reformating /boot |
| 22:29.40 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: nice - so /boot is it's own partition, and not on LVM, correct? |
| 22:29.46 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 22:30.08 | Arrowmaster | everything else in lvm and using ext4, but /boot using ext2 |
| 22:30.31 | xeon-enouf | didn'trealize grub2 doesn't support dmraid - only recently have i even heard grub1 supporting it, heh |
| 22:30.38 | Arrowmaster | grub-legacy doesnt support ext4, grub2 doesnt support dmraid, installer got confused |
| 22:30.44 | xeon-enouf | right |
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| 22:31.54 | williamwho | any working d-i with ext4 support available? |
| 22:32.06 | Arrowmaster | the testing one |
| 22:32.35 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: testing failed on me in the last 6 months any time I tried. I think I've tried at least a build per month |
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| 22:33.21 | Arrowmaster | its got issues if you try to get too complex |
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| 22:33.54 | dmoerner | hi, i'm using exaile on debian lenny. however all the plugins shipped with debian aren't showing up in the plugin manager. specifically i need the global hotkeys plugin. I'm on xfce4 |
| 22:33.57 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: nah, the first issue was missing keyboard input |
| 22:34.10 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: now it's that the boot hung and no installer popped up |
| 22:34.10 | Arrowmaster | williamwho: using a usb keyboard? |
| 22:34.17 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: yeah |
| 22:34.26 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: verify the ISO |
| 22:34.36 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: ok I will |
| 22:34.38 | xeon-enouf | !check iso image |
| 22:34.39 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum |
| 22:34.39 | Arrowmaster | so could you get into the installer? |
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| 22:35.11 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: not with the 31st amd64 iso |
| 22:35.22 | xeon-enouf | .. and the burn ... use 'check integrity' boot option, if you do manage toboot |
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| 22:36.02 | Arrowmaster | the expert text installer hung for me until i added nohup (i think it was? it was something 'noh??') to the boot line, but the expert grapical worked |
| 22:36.18 | Arrowmaster | nohid? |
| 22:36.30 | williamwho | nohid would mean no usb input |
| 22:36.31 | Arrowmaster | damn i dont remember what it was |
| 22:36.58 | williamwho | HID = human input device aka putting humans in there |
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| 22:37.07 | Arrowmaster | well have you tried the graphical installer |
| 22:37.18 | williamwho | not yet |
| 22:37.44 | Arrowmaster | it worked for me with a ps2 keyboard and usb mouse |
| 22:38.12 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: no ps2 |
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| 22:38.33 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: so HID is broken in the images? |
| 22:38.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah well usb mouse worked for me so usb keyboard should hopefully work for you |
| 22:39.13 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: if you have option in BIOS to enable/disable USB emulation (legacy usb support) - toggle that |
| 22:39.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember what was broken somebody just told me to add a 'noh??' to the boot line and it worked |
| 22:39.37 | Arrowmaster | nohal? |
| 22:39.38 | xeon-enouf | nohid would be one - yep |
| 22:39.39 | Arrowmaster | maybe that was it |
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| 22:40.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think it was nohal |
| 22:40.13 | xeon-enouf | i doubt that ;-) HAL isn't even needed in a running system with X :-) |
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| 22:40.28 | Chriz2 | any idea why my console is flooded wiht apt-get errors like Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5-cgi_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 22:40.45 | Arrowmaster | it was the text installer that wasnt working, X was working fine |
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| 22:41.53 | mischief | Chriz2, it means the server doesn't have that file, or apt-get can't retrieve it |
| 22:41.58 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: sadly hal is used by Xorg by now :(. I miss a server grade minimal unixoid Linux :(^3 |
| 22:42.00 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: which ARCH? |
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| 22:42.07 | Arrowmaster | amd64 |
| 22:42.42 | Chriz2 | mischief, so i am screwed or what? |
| 22:42.49 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: it's only a depends - it used used, but not required to make itwork - but yeah, that's the direction it's all going, so better get used to it |
| 22:42.52 | Arrowmaster | this was at the beginning of the month when i was having the issue |
| 22:43.10 | abrotman | Chriz2: try another mirror |
| 22:43.16 | xeon-enouf | s/used used/used sure/ |
| 22:43.16 | mischief | Chriz2, um..not, not necessarily. are you sure the internet connection on the machine is okay? |
| 22:43.35 | Chriz2 | mischief, yeah i installed other packages just fine... |
| 22:43.38 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: ahh - found a nohlt kernel-paramter ;-) |
| 22:43.42 | xeon-enouf | for ARM |
| 22:43.54 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: I am not getting used to it and think we need a more BSDish minimal Linux for servers |
| 22:44.14 | Arrowmaster | why do you need X for a server? |
| 22:44.30 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: I don't |
| 22:44.52 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: just look at Fedora and see where they would like to have gnome, *kit, DBus all as a dependency |
| 22:45.02 | xeon-enouf | mischief: try a different mirror? |
| 22:45.10 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: their OpenSSH packages need gnome for password asking or whatever |
| 22:45.28 | Arrowmaster | as a dependancy? |
| 22:45.33 | Arrowmaster | thats fucked up |
| 22:45.36 | xeon-enouf | Chriz2: other pkgs could've come from cdrom - make sure your net is up and working |
| 22:45.36 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: and even Debian does have crdma for wireless as a dependency for kernel image by now, doesn't it? |
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| 22:46.02 | Arrowmaster | no clue dont mess with wireless |
| 22:46.12 | williamwho | Arrowmaster: don't cite me but better check for yourself but it was part of the "install Fedora as little as possible and then uninstall everything I can" |
| 22:46.14 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: yeah, well, X shouldn't be running on "Servers" :-) |
| 22:46.32 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: one can do a bare minimal base install still ;-) |
| 22:47.12 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: sure but more and more deps creep in and make the maintance overhead grow due to more and more unused software in need of critical updates :( |
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| 22:47.51 | xeon-enouf | i'm realy not in disagreement with that general sentiment though williamwho |
| 22:48.41 | flower_ | what does the standard system install when doing a netinstall? |
| 22:48.57 | xeon-enouf | flower_: standard packages ;-) |
| 22:48.57 | abrotman | flower_: aptitude search "~pstandard" .. mostly |
| 22:49.08 | flower_ | no gnome or kde? |
| 22:49.27 | Arrowmaster | if you dont select anything in tasksel the install is tiny, almost nothing |
| 22:49.35 | xeon-enouf | no - not anymajor part of it - maybe some underlying things related |
| 22:50.22 | xeon-enouf | i noticed recently on my debootstrap installation, there's some kde things here :-/ .. no prob though - i don't think i even got any sort of tasksel options |
| 22:50.54 | williamwho | I have to admit that I even have to uninstall stuff from the "nothing selected" not even "standard selection" and that leaves me with the -standard and -minimal virt packages being uninstalled |
| 22:51.03 | xeon-enouf | forgets offhabnd now, since i was busy fixing things along the way ;-) |
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| 22:55.36 | williamwho | doesn't work |
| 22:55.44 | williamwho | expertgui has no keyboard input |
| 22:55.57 | williamwho | expert stops at the kbd log message after switching screen |
| 22:56.08 | williamwho | tried nohal nohid |
| 22:56.53 | xjih78 | macrobat: my flash player's still doing the same thing. |
| 22:57.52 | macrobat | oh :( |
| 23:00.31 | macrobat | it was choppy with bad sound, right? my scrollback is only 2500 lines i didnt find your original question :) |
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| 23:03.01 | xeon-enouf | Arrowmaster: you sure it wasn't something like 'noapic'? or acpi=off, or pci=<something> -- those are much more common ones to try |
| 23:03.44 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.47 | xeon-enouf | heh |
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| 23:06.38 | williamwho | nousb and then using a USB keyboard? |
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| 23:08.11 | williamwho | nousb means not even the mouse works |
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| 23:08.28 | BCM43 | how do I change is so that xorg will use dvorak? |
| 23:08.32 | williamwho | nolapic noapic acpi=off means mouse working but nokeyboard |
| 23:08.43 | leono007 | hello |
| 23:08.48 | BCM43 | hi |
| 23:08.59 | leono007 | I need some help with a server DNS |
| 23:09.01 | zinx | BCM43: ugh. create a /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi |
| 23:09.09 | zinx | BCM43: you may want to google it. |
| 23:09.11 | leono007 | there is anybody |
| 23:09.21 | zinx | BCM43: it's a PITA. |
| 23:09.27 | abrotman | leono007: what about it? |
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| 23:10.45 | leono007 | about DNS server |
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| 23:11.10 | BCM43 | leono007: what is the problem? Just ask. |
| 23:11.11 | leono007 | BIND and Postfix exactly |
| 23:11.25 | leono007 | well I have a server with 2 network interfaces |
| 23:11.40 | leono007 | in this server I want to install Postfix and Binds |
| 23:11.44 | abrotman | loesh: ask a real question (without 38 enter key uses in between) |
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| 23:12.07 | leono007 | Iok sorry I explain again |
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| 23:12.09 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: how far do you get? can you maybe try a few usb related options listed here nousb [USB] Disable the USB subsystem |
| 23:12.12 | xeon-enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.22 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: I tried nousb |
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| 23:12.46 | BCM43 | zinx: damn: http://blog.jardinmagique.info/2009/02/setup-dvorak-on-debian-with-xorg.html |
| 23:13.17 | zinx | BCM43: i know, right? |
| 23:13.40 | xeon-enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30.5/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L2448 - williamwho - did you ever verify the ISO, and the burn? what about the BIOS settings |
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| 23:13.54 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: i pasted poorly before |
| 23:14.57 | leono007 | I have a server with 2 network interfaces, I hace installed Psotfix and Bind in the same server, and I also byy a domain name ... ejemplo.com so what is the process to my mail server can be viewed by the other email server and my users can send and receive mail? |
| 23:15.31 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: also, what's your hardware? a laptop? which ARCH? |
| 23:15.32 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: ok. sha1 and md5 are ok |
| 23:15.52 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: old amd64 from 2005. AMD64 3200+ |
| 23:16.06 | xeon-enouf | that's not 'old' heh ;-) |
| 23:16.16 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: 5.0.2, Ubuntu and Fedora all work with the USB HIDs |
| 23:16.29 | xeon-enouf | are you using amd64 or i386? |
| 23:16.35 | williamwho | amd64 of course |
| 23:16.39 | williamwho | since 2005 |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | leono007: you have to setup DNS |
| 23:16.55 | abrotman | leono007: Bind and Postfix have excellent documentation |
| 23:17.00 | leono007 | yes I have installed |
| 23:17.10 | xeon-enouf | ok ... then ALSO have a look at /Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt |
| 23:17.21 | leono007 | and I created the zone in my configuration |
| 23:17.22 | williamwho | ok |
| 23:17.34 | flower_ | desktop environment what does that mean when doing a netinstall? |
| 23:17.38 | flower_ | gnome/kde? |
| 23:18.03 | abrotman | flower_: depends on the ISO you used |
| 23:18.11 | abrotman | flower_: probably gnome though |
| 23:18.24 | flower_ | mmh ok, Iĺl skip that |
| 23:18.31 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: too many :) |
| 23:18.34 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: can you try a different USB port? IOW, try rear ones if using the front one(s) |
| 23:18.34 | abrotman | flower_: you can skip that and later install what yoou want |
| 23:18.55 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: well - i guess if those other Images work - nm then |
| 23:18.56 | flower_ | ok thanks |
| 23:18.57 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: only direct connected ones from mainboard used |
| 23:19.17 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: it is a defect somewhere, that's too apparent. |
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| 23:20.23 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: file an Installation Report (/msg dpkg reportbug), see installation guide for basic instructs - also check BTS, and maybe debian-boot mailing list, etc |
| 23:20.47 | flower_ | can you use the command shutdown after a process is done, eg |
| 23:21.04 | flower_ | aptitude install package && shutdown -h now |
| 23:21.12 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: in the meantime - use Lenny installer, and upgrade ;-0 (do the ones that work of amd64 arch as well?) |
| 23:21.24 | xeon-enouf | s/do/are/ |
| 23:21.25 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: thanks for the help |
| 23:21.34 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: i tried ;-) |
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| 23:21.57 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: lenny had a public beta installer released? |
| 23:22.07 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: oh wait |
| 23:22.13 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: lenny is 5 right? |
| 23:22.18 | xeon-enouf | yes |
| 23:22.29 | xeon-enouf | 5.0.2 as of late |
| 23:22.29 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: I need lenny with ext4 support :) |
| 23:22.42 | xeon-enouf | it has ext4dev, IIRC |
| 23:23.00 | xeon-enouf | you can convert ext3->4 |
| 23:23.26 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: yeah but as functional programmer I prefer purity :) |
| 23:23.39 | williamwho | whatever, I will find a way that doesn't involve Exherbo |
| 23:23.43 | BCM43 | zinx: it is not working. :\ |
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| 23:23.50 | xeon-enouf | williamwho: then send patches to help fix the installer ;-) |
| 23:25.07 | williamwho | xeon-enouf: I won't because I cannot believe I'm the only one with this problem. I should get a new machine I guess :). it's overtime anyway |
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| 23:36.24 | nsadmin | judd versions xotcl |
| 23:36.25 | judd | nsadmin: xotcl -- lenny: 1.6.1-1 sid: 1.6.3-2 squeeze: 1.6.3-2 |
| 23:36.32 | nsadmin | nice, it's back |
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| 23:41.20 | xeon-enouf | judd: info xotcl |
| 23:41.20 | judd | xeon-enouf: xotcl (libs): is optional; Version: 1.6.1-1; Size: 295.9k; Installed: 1017k -- Extended Object Tcl (XOTcl): Object orientation for Tcl - shared library |
| 23:41.30 | Tramp | hmm. Is there a lack of free software for 2D-Codes (QR, datamatrix, aztec) or am I too stupid to find it. |
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| 23:44.54 | gaka | Tramp: there is this http://qrcode.sourceforge.jp/ |
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| 23:47.34 | rue_house | I want to upgrade xserver-xorg-core, but dont want to install every xserver-xorg-video package under the sun, how do i get around these dependencies? |
| 23:47.36 | Tramp | gaka: hmm, right. also found libdecodeqr. Both look like isolated projects. - I'm not complaining, just wondering, since this stuff seems to be a (comercially) important market. |
| 23:47.48 | rue_house | xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.1.1-11), xserver-xorg-video-all |xserver-xorg-video-1.0, xserver-xorg-input-all |xserver-xorg-input, debconf (>= 0.5) |debconf-2.0, xkb-data |xkb-data-legacy, xbase-clients |
| 23:47.55 | rue_house | most of them are virtual packages |
| 23:48.11 | rue_house | as far as I can tell, debconf-2.0 dosn't even exist |
| 23:48.26 | rue_house | or xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
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| 23:48.42 | abrotman | rue_house: please don't fight the xorg developers .. just let them install .. it's way easier |
| 23:48.53 | rue_house | then clean up after then? |
| 23:49.10 | abrotman | rue_house: no, leave them be .. they're small packages. mucking with it just makes a problem usually |
| 23:49.42 | rue_house | imageine if every package had 42 small packages that were attached to it! |
| 23:49.58 | rue_house | esp ones you dont need |
| 23:50.08 | rue_house | ok I'll remove them after |
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| 23:51.02 | abrotman | okay .. have fun |
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| 23:54.00 | rue_house | how are the odds of x apps breaking if i upgrade x11-common xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse ? |
| 23:54.15 | rue_house | from X 1.1.1 |
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| 23:55.26 | abrotman | waits for someone that actually wants help ... |
| 23:55.44 | rue_house | what? |
| 23:55.58 | rue_house | I want to know if my system is gonna work after an upgrade! |
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| 23:56.25 | rue_house | I dont know what the tie mechanisms are between the x server and its apps |
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| 23:57.08 | rue_house | waves to Roy Rogers |
| 23:57.41 | ix | What abrotman is trying to say is "Most likely it will work fine, unless you fuck around with Xorg, which you seemingly intend to do." |
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