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| 00:00.24 | clusty | done :D |
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| 00:00.58 | adb | clusty: running Slackware ? |
| 00:01.47 | amphi | taras: because it _should_ configure itself |
| 00:02.11 | taras | amphi: how can I add ukrainian letters then? |
| 00:02.38 | clusty | adb, this is windoze. final PC will be debian |
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| 00:02.56 | taras | for keyboard input |
| 00:03.14 | amphi | taras: cyrillic? |
| 00:03.19 | taras | yeah |
| 00:03.20 | adb | setxkbmap uk |
| 00:04.00 | clusty | adb, why do you ask? |
| 00:04.18 | clusty | i have not heard of anybody touching slackware in ages |
| 00:04.18 | adb | seen your last nick .. |
| 00:04.22 | clusty | ohh |
| 00:04.35 | clusty | i say that I am working for Slacking Inc |
| 00:04.38 | amphi | adb: ua shurely ;) |
| 00:04.41 | clusty | that is my fictitious company |
| 00:04.42 | clusty | :D |
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| 00:05.15 | adb | ua , if you like amphi ;) |
| 00:05.19 | clusty | most likely exists already regged. too many g33ks in this world |
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| 00:06.43 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.58 | amphi | adb: no, I think not |
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| 00:07.01 | Tapout | i saw that apache was upgraded, what's the command to read the apache2 logs? |
| 00:07.22 | amphi | adb: nvidia uses its own blobMethod, I believe |
| 00:07.39 | adb | amphi: i though too, was not sure |
| 00:08.05 | Tapout | To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. <-- dpkg says that, but you put in 5.0.2 and it repeats itself |
| 00:08.39 | Tapout | oh it's already 5.0.2 heh |
| 00:09.36 | adb | bcs, when use nvidia driver , my external monitor won't be used |
| 00:09.47 | taras | well setxkbmap sets only for current session, yup? how can I set for all users and that it store my rules? |
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| 00:10.27 | adb | dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 00:10.41 | adb | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 00:12.11 | cocontmi | hi, i just made a switch to debian. i am having trouble w/wifi. i installed driver and network-manager-gnome successfully. |
| 00:12.30 | cocontmi | why is there no drop down box on my network in the desktop. |
| 00:13.26 | amphi | cocontmi: people often seem to have problems with that; perhaps try wicd |
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| 00:14.07 | pickcoder | for some reason bind9 on Lenny didn't like the fact that the zone "." hint wasn't in a view group |
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| 00:14.17 | pickcoder | it worked for years on Etch's bind9 |
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| 00:14.34 | pickcoder | I put it in view "global" and it started right up. |
| 00:14.49 | cocontmi | thanks amphi. i made a switch from ubuntu. and it shows wifi connection you can connect to. btw it is on roaming mode too.. thanks |
| 00:14.50 | pickcoder | shrugs and gets ready to go home |
| 00:15.33 | clusty | arghh. giving up for now. frustrating... |
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| 00:16.07 | amphi | cocontmi: I've not use gnome network manager myself, so I can't say |
| 00:16.30 | cocontmi | amphi: should i remove gnome network manager before i install wicd? |
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| 00:20.38 | Sh4dowcat | bah |
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| 00:21.39 | unop | cocontmi, at the very least NM shouldn't be running when wicd is. you can remove NM if you please |
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| 00:22.24 | cocontmi | unop: thanks |
| 00:23.29 | Sh4dowcat | anyone use extended attributes with debian? |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | ACLs ? |
| 00:23.43 | Sh4dowcat | yeah |
| 00:23.57 | Sh4dowcat | I'm getting some conflicting info online as to how to enable them |
| 00:24.08 | Wyzard | Sh4dowcat: mount with "user_xattr" mount option |
| 00:24.20 | Sh4dowcat | Wyzard: thanks |
| 00:24.27 | Wyzard | Sh4dowcat: For ext2/3/4 filesystems, you can use tune2fs to add user_xattr to the default mount options, so you don't have to put it in fstab |
| 00:24.42 | Sh4dowcat | hmm... |
| 00:24.44 | Sh4dowcat | interesting |
| 00:24.48 | Sh4dowcat | how would I do that? |
| 00:25.00 | Sh4dowcat | basically, I need to give more than one user full rights to a directory |
| 00:25.08 | Sh4dowcat | and for administrative purposes they can't be part of the same group |
| 00:25.16 | Wyzard | tune2fs -o user_xattr /dev/foo |
| 00:25.33 | Sh4dowcat | ok, I'll remember that |
| 00:25.41 | Wyzard | POSIX ACLs are a separate mount option, though ("acl") |
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| 00:26.01 | unop | sounds like he wants the latter |
| 00:26.19 | Wyzard | user_xattr is for user-defined extended attributes that have no meaning to the filesystem itself |
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| 00:26.33 | Sh4dowcat | ok.... so how to I use them? :/ |
| 00:26.45 | Wyzard | mount with "acl" mount option |
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| 00:28.06 | Sh4dowcat | just add a simple acl to the mount line? |
| 00:28.25 | Sh4dowcat | like, mount /dev/sda1 ext3 -o acl? |
| 00:28.39 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: yep, or put it in the 'options' column of fstab |
| 00:28.51 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: for something that's already mounted, mount / -o remount,acl |
| 00:29.01 | Sh4dowcat | ok got it |
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| 00:29.30 | \amethyst | xfs has ACLs without a mount option; I think it's only ext? that requires the option |
| 00:29.58 | Sh4dowcat | basically I have a home file server that I'd like to share with a few friends of mine |
| 00:30.14 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: you also need the 'acl' package to use setfacl |
| 00:30.22 | cokeslut | Hi |
| 00:30.31 | Sh4dowcat | I'm looking for something like G6 FTP, or Raiden, or CuteFTPD |
| 00:30.34 | Sh4dowcat | but for Linux |
| 00:30.39 | Sh4dowcat | \amethyst: ok, got it |
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| 00:31.08 | Sh4dowcat | basically, I'm just going to create users with no shell access, and with read only access to certain content |
| 00:31.27 | Sh4dowcat | but at the same time I don't want them to own the directory or be part of the administrative group that owns the directory |
| 00:31.30 | Sh4dowcat | for obvious reasons |
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| 00:32.19 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: and you don't want it to be world-readable? |
| 00:32.38 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: making them part of the owning group is fine as long as the group doesn't have write access |
| 00:32.51 | Sh4dowcat | \amethyst: the group might have write access though |
| 00:33.05 | Sh4dowcat | basically, I was looking for something akin to NTFS File Permissions |
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| 00:33.15 | Sh4dowcat | and I'm guessing that posix acls are the Linux equivalent |
| 00:33.16 | \amethyst | yeah, then NFS is what you want |
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| 00:33.25 | Sh4dowcat | NFS? |
| 00:33.32 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: err, ACLs, sorry |
| 00:33.37 | Sh4dowcat | thought so |
| 00:33.41 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: collision in my hash tables :) |
| 00:33.45 | jelly-home | Sh4dowcat: unix permissions are enough for most setups |
| 00:33.56 | Sh4dowcat | jelly-home: I already ran this setup a few years ago |
| 00:34.03 | Sh4dowcat | I found basic permissions extremely limiting |
| 00:34.14 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: e.g. setfacl -R -m u:harry:rX,u:tom:rX,u:dick:rX directory/ |
| 00:34.23 | Sh4dowcat | yup, something like that |
| 00:34.41 | Sh4dowcat | if I ever want to give a user temp permissions to write to a certain directory |
| 00:34.46 | Sh4dowcat | I can't do it with normal unix permissions |
| 00:34.59 | DynVdebian | To connect an external drive to this debian box, someone suggested I install ntfs-3g, as I did but I still can't write to it. This is the dmesg right after I booted http://pastebin.com/d1c4b6596 it seems the drive info is intertwined with other info. it didn't work so I connected to to vista, safely removed it and reconnected it here (debian), now dmesg shows this http://pastebin.com/d377b638e and the last sentence give an error that was previou |
| 00:34.59 | DynVdebian | sly fixed by safely removing it from vista, weird. I just restarted vista with the drive plugged then safely removed the drive but still get the error " Volume is dirty. Mounting read-only. Run chkdsk and mount in Windows." can someone please help ? |
| 00:35.06 | Sh4dowcat | but with NTFS or a Windows FTP server I could just add that permission temporarily |
| 00:35.12 | Sh4dowcat | and remove it afterwards |
| 00:35.23 | jelly-home | Sh4dowcat: or you just give it a separate temp directory |
| 00:35.42 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: or setfacl -R -m u:harry:rX,u:tom:rX,u:dick:rX,d:harry:rx,d:tom:rx,d:dick:rx directory/ so that newly-created files are also readable by those users |
| 00:35.56 | Sh4dowcat | jelly-home: if someone's going to upload 10gb of music to me, I'd rather they dump it in /music directly |
| 00:36.07 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: d: is for default ACLs, which are a Linux extension to Posix ACLs |
| 00:36.21 | Sh4dowcat | \amethyst: ya, I'm going to RTFM on posix permissions before I start deploying this |
| 00:36.28 | Sh4dowcat | I have a lot of man pages to go through |
| 00:36.32 | \amethyst | !acl |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | well, acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 00:36.38 | Sh4dowcat | yup, saw that |
| 00:36.45 | \amethyst | ah, good |
| 00:36.54 | Sh4dowcat | I think the man pages are good start, along with that suse guide |
| 00:37.19 | jelly-home | Sh4dowcat: moving files around is a trivial task; standard permissions really are a bit basic, but good enough for most things. |
| 00:37.36 | Sh4dowcat | jelly-home: if you've ever used G6 FTP Server |
| 00:37.41 | Sh4dowcat | you'll know what I'm talking about |
| 00:37.46 | Sh4dowcat | that's the kind of behavior I want to replicate |
| 00:38.41 | jelly-home | never heard of it, sorry |
| 00:38.53 | Sh4dowcat | have you used any windows ftp servers? |
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| 00:39.07 | jelly-home | nah! |
| 00:39.09 | BioShock^ | Hey, join in channel #r00tsecure ! PLEASE ! |
| 00:39.13 | Sh4dowcat | moron |
| 00:39.21 | Sh4dowcat | !ops BioShock^ is spamming |
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| 00:39.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sh4dowcat complains about: BioShock^ is spamming |
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| 00:40.29 | \amethyst | jelly-home: one example I've come across multiple times is a shared directory where one group should be able to read all files created within, and another group to write all files created within |
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| 00:40.49 | \amethyst | jelly-home: even half of that is difficult unless you can enforce a particular umask on your users |
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| 00:41.21 | jelly-home | \amethyst: but trivial if read for other is good enough |
| 00:41.45 | Sh4dowcat | ok... I might start a flame war here but... |
| 00:41.50 | Sh4dowcat | vsftpd fs proftpd |
| 00:41.57 | adb | !ftp must die |
| 00:41.57 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 00:42.14 | jelly-home | proftpd: many more features; a history of security issues |
| 00:42.15 | Sh4dowcat | since I'm currently using vsftpd I'm looking for reasons why I should switch to proftpd |
| 00:42.48 | Sh4dowcat | adb: then give me a viable alternative |
| 00:42.57 | CcSsNET | yes ftp must disapear |
| 00:43.08 | amphi | netcat |
| 00:43.08 | Sh4dowcat | jelly-home: what features? |
| 00:43.08 | jelly-home | waits for the inevitable "sftp or scp" answer |
| 00:43.15 | jelly-home | !win amphi |
| 00:43.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, amphi! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:43.23 | amphi | ;) |
| 00:43.28 | Sh4dowcat | I'm not giving my friends ssh access to this box |
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| 00:43.38 | Sh4dowcat | especially not since they're just going to be downloading porn |
| 00:43.39 | \amethyst | Sh4dowcat: you can give them sftp-only access |
| 00:43.47 | Sh4dowcat | \amethyst: not for pr0n |
| 00:44.04 | Sh4dowcat | I doubt the RIAA is interested in "Girls Gone Wild 100" |
| 00:44.16 | Sh4dowcat | and it also cuts the transfer rate |
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| 00:44.34 | Sh4dowcat | I myself do use SFTP on a regular basis |
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| 00:44.45 | jelly-home | Sh4dowcat: I didn't need them, but various user auth methods, limits, virtual users, probably best to read the docs. |
| 00:45.05 | Sh4dowcat | vsftpd has a shitload of limits |
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| 00:45.15 | Sh4dowcat | the only thing I was missing was ACLs |
| 00:45.19 | Sh4dowcat | but proftpd doesn't have them either |
| 00:45.22 | Sh4dowcat | but ya, RTFM |
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| 00:47.54 | pl4yer0ne | hey all, does anyone know of a good mysql admin tool? I was hoping to not have to install apache on this server |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | mysql ? |
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| 00:48.23 | Sh4dowcat | .... |
| 00:48.39 | Sh4dowcat | how does using mysql require apache? |
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| 00:48.55 | Sh4dowcat | there's a perfectly usable GUI config tool made by mysql themselves... |
| 00:49.30 | rvsjoen | is there an easy way _not_ to set up a default route if one already exists when bringing up interfaces ? |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | sure .. just don't specify one |
| 00:50.19 | Sh4dowcat | don't specify a gateway |
| 00:50.41 | rvsjoen | they both get addresses from dhcp, problem is once the 2nd interface comes up there are two default routes |
| 00:51.07 | Sh4dowcat | to the same network? |
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| 00:51.23 | LordVorp | where is the mysql error log hiding? |
| 00:51.25 | rvsjoen | different networks |
| 00:51.28 | LordVorp | I can find the binary/replogs all day long |
| 00:51.37 | LordVorp | but so far no "started", etc |
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| 00:52.06 | pl4yer0ne | apache because phpmyadmin is the best gui tool i know of. and the tools they provide themselves dont seem to be able to do things like change global privs |
| 00:52.09 | LordVorp | and I now feel stupid for asking... buried in /var/log/messages |
| 00:52.12 | LordVorp | goes away now |
| 00:52.25 | unop | rvsjoen, your machine should be able to cope with multiple routes just fine .. how does the second route affect networking currently? |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | rvsjoen: there's a way with the dhcp config file to not ask for a route IIRC |
| 00:52.29 | rvsjoen | so one option is to remove the default route in the post-up scripts, but it seems sort of ugly |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | unop: not two default routes .. |
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| 00:52.44 | unop | abrotman, why not? |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | unop: one undoes the other |
| 00:52.59 | Sh4dowcat | two default routes is one ugly mess |
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| 00:53.22 | Sh4dowcat | which begs the question, why do you have a router on dhcp? |
| 00:53.27 | unop | abrotman, errm, not really - my machine has three default routes - just that one has a lower metric than the others |
| 00:53.28 | iwkse | hi, anyone know how's renamed in lenny the xmms-status-plugin? |
| 00:53.29 | rvsjoen | it's not a router |
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| 00:53.36 | Sh4dowcat | rvsjoen: yes it is |
| 00:53.37 | rvsjoen | it's a server, which serves multiple networks |
| 00:53.43 | rvsjoen | no it isn't |
| 00:53.45 | Sh4dowcat | and a router... |
| 00:53.47 | rvsjoen | ip routing is disabled |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | unop: so which one is your default route ? |
| 00:53.51 | DynVdebian | To all those that partially helped me with my external USB HDD, after I installed ntsf-3g I had to mount the drive with it as shown in the usage http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html#usage |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | iwkse: xmms1 ? |
| 00:54.03 | Sh4dowcat | rvsjoen: a server on two networks on dhcp? |
| 00:54.06 | Sh4dowcat | what the heck are you serving? |
| 00:54.09 | iwkse | abrotman: yes 1 |
| 00:54.09 | [blackbuRn] | how to add my username to sudoer list? debian lenny |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | iwkse: that's been removed from lenny i belive |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | [blackbuRn]: man sudoers .. read how to do it |
| 00:54.30 | unop | abrotman, the 'default' default route is the default route with the lowest metric - but they all 'work' |
| 00:54.37 | iwkse | abrotman: mm..xmms2 does have a gui too? |
| 00:54.45 | iwkse | abrotman: i think not |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | unop: so you onl yhave one default route ? |
| 00:54.56 | rvsjoen | it's a machine which exposes certain services to both a public and a private network, the interfaces which lives on both networks both get their addresses from a dhcp server |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | iwkse: audacious is the one that most people use |
| 00:55.05 | unop | abrotman, no, i have 3 |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:55.11 | iwkse | abrotman: yes but i don't like it |
| 00:55.15 | Sh4dowcat | rvsjoen: statically assign the ip addresses? |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | doesn't feel like arguing |
| 00:55.19 | iwkse | abrotman: it's buggy |
| 00:55.24 | Sh4dowcat | servers are not supposed to get dynamic addresses |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | iwkse: you don't have much of a choice .. xmms1 is gone |
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| 00:55.36 | iwkse | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: works okay for samba servers with netbios stuff running |
| 00:55.59 | Sh4dowcat | ... sigh, netbios is evil |
| 00:56.02 | Sh4dowcat | evil evil evil |
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| 00:56.16 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: argue with unop about default routes |
| 00:56.25 | rvsjoen | heh |
| 00:56.34 | Sh4dowcat | if you have multiple default routes it'll just pick the one that comes first |
| 00:56.35 | [blackbuRn] | how to mount my ntfs partitions? |
| 00:56.38 | Sh4dowcat | if I recall correctly |
| 00:56.40 | Sh4dowcat | but it isn't good |
| 00:56.52 | abrotman | rvsjoen: i know you can have the dhcp3 client not ask for a route .. but not sure ifyou can do that per NIC/network |
| 00:56.53 | Sh4dowcat | it won't break the ip stack, but you shouldn't have it that way |
| 00:56.55 | unop | abrotman, why defer your argument - there is no reason you cannot have multiple default routes - infact they're great for fail-overs |
| 00:57.05 | rvsjoen | abrotman: i'll have a peek into that, thanks |
| 00:57.13 | Sh4dowcat | unop: if it's a router yes |
| 00:57.17 | unop | abrotman, albeit, they need a little extra configuration via metrics |
| 00:57.29 | unop | Sh4dowcat, not necessarily |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | unop: not really two defaults then ... |
| 00:57.51 | Sh4dowcat | I get your point, but if you don't know how to configure your routing table, it'll just confuse the box |
| 00:58.04 | abrotman | rvsjoen: the only thing you might have an issue with is if they aren't both internet capable |
| 00:58.06 | Sh4dowcat | and getting server ips assigned via dhcp is ONE HELL of a mess to begin with |
| 00:58.16 | magyar | hi, is there a way to create a deb from a git pull? |
| 00:58.30 | unop | abrotman, well, they are defaults, because if one fails - the other takes over .. |
| 00:58.38 | Sh4dowcat | I would assign two static ips and then only specify a default route on one |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | magyar: like any other software ? |
| 00:58.55 | dimedo | even though there is a rule to create /dev/net/tun when kernel module tun gets loaded, /dev/net/tun never appears for me. any ideas? here's the rule: KERNEL=="tun", NAME="net/%k" |
| 00:59.02 | dimedo | i'm talking about a udev rule |
| 00:59.30 | Sh4dowcat | why are you modifying udev rules by hand? |
| 00:59.43 | Sh4dowcat | the tun module is loaded dynamically |
| 00:59.48 | Sh4dowcat | I assume you're using openVPN |
| 00:59.50 | cockroach | is anyone aware of a way to get raid status information from a fairly old ibm serveraid controller? there used to be a tool called "ipssend" to do that, but that doesn't seem to work anymore... |
| 00:59.56 | Sh4dowcat | you won't see it unless there's a connection |
| 01:00.08 | adb | [blackbuRn]: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 01:01.58 | rvsjoen | abrotman: looks like the dhcp client can have interface-specific configurations, which probably means I can create a config for one of the interfaces which doesn't request the 'routers' attribute |
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| 01:02.14 | abrotman | there you go |
| 01:02.23 | jnewt | ow does one go about crafting a working xorg.conf i see an error, but don't know how to match to what needs to be changed using the man page. this is rediculous... what is Badmatch 8 and where is all the info on these errors? link? |
| 01:02.45 | rvsjoen | isn't that mostly 'delete and start xorg' these days ? |
| 01:02.54 | unop | rvsjoen, this is what i have for a routing table - the wlan0 interface takes precedence - http://pastebin.com/d1f22818d |
| 01:03.28 | rvsjoen | unop: sure, but it would require the dhcp client to set different metrics, which as also a viable option if possible |
| 01:04.03 | unop | rvsjoen, you can do the same via the interfaces file - probably easier |
| 01:04.25 | jnewt | rvsjoen: i have no idea, i am just now getting to the point where i want to do some "desktoppy" things, mostly used linux for a server before now. i thought samba conf was bad, seems like child's play in comparison |
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| 01:05.00 | jnewt | there is just a list of the option descriptions in the man page, not nearly enough info for an in-depth understanding. |
| 01:05.09 | Sh4dowcat | hah |
| 01:05.09 | rvsjoen | jnewt: been a while since I installed xorg, but I seem to recall just renaming xorg.conf and having one auto-generated, then tweak as necessary |
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| 01:05.23 | Sh4dowcat | hand crafting a working xorg.conf file is like trying to learn black magic |
| 01:05.25 | Sh4dowcat | it's hard like hell |
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| 01:07.02 | jnewt | yeah, i just auto-generated one, but i need to tweak to get the X Error BadMatch 8 opcode 62 / 0 to go away, but I am wearing out google with no luck, like banging my head against the wall, people all have these different xorg.conf files, but i can't find enough info to understand them. |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | cockroach: anyhting in the driver docs ? |
| 01:07.36 | jnewt | they just seem to share them and if it works for you, good, if not, well too bad... |
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| 01:08.30 | cockroach | abrotman: not sure, the binary i got is ancient, i don't have the docs anymore. i found what appears to be an updated version of the binary but it's a self-extracting dos disk image, not sure how to handle that :) |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | cockroach: what happens if you run the binary ? |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | cockroach: did you try to strace it or anything ? |
| 01:09.35 | rvsjoen | I friggin hate ldap |
| 01:09.41 | cockroach | abrotman: i get log entries saying "program ipssend not setting count and/or reply_len properly" - according to "the internet" people who get that message also experience instabilities/crashes... |
| 01:11.28 | cockroach | abrotman: so i figured maybe somebody knows an oss tool for that... |
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| 01:17.36 | abrotman | cockroach: i'm kind of looking at the source .. maybe asking ##kernel might be helpful |
| 01:18.29 | cockroach | abrotman: are they responsive? or is that a multiple hours kind of project? :) |
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| 01:18.48 | abrotman | cockroach: depends who is around i'd say .. just like here |
| 01:18.59 | cockroach | okay, i'll give it a try. thanks! |
| 01:19.06 | rvsjoen | the kernel channel on oftc is usually very responsive |
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| 01:20.37 | abrotman | cockroach: seems like there's funcitons in the driver to get the status |
| 01:22.33 | cockroach | abrotman: hrm, are they exposed in any way? |
| 01:22.42 | abrotman | cockroach: via source! |
| 01:23.14 | cockroach | abrotman: yes, i mean via /proc & stuff - not really in the mood to write my own query tool atm :) |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | just get CutMeOwnThroat to do it |
| 01:23.50 | cockroach | CutMeOwnThroat: work for you! :) |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | he works hard for the money |
| 01:24.29 | cockroach | what's that "money" thing? |
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| 01:25.21 | adb | functions in the driver to get the status |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | adb: yes .. but he wants a program to call/understand the functions |
| 01:25.51 | alecs1 | hi, what is the name of the launcher application from gnome (the one that appears at Alt+F2)? |
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| 01:26.13 | cockroach | abrotman: i see some information in /proc/scsi/ips, but nothing concerning the physical disks (as in, "are they still okay?") |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | alecs1: deskbar-applet |
| 01:28.24 | adb | well, was about ' what's that "money" thing? ' |
| 01:28.42 | abrotman | adb: it's a song |
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| 01:29.01 | adb | a good one .. |
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| 01:32.41 | abrotman | cockroach: short of writing something, i'm not seeing anything |
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| 01:33.35 | abrotman | cockroach: and it's still just a guess |
| 01:33.39 | cockroach | abrotman: okay, thanks a lot for checking anyway. next time i'll just have to get hardware with proper drivers :) |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | cockroach: it has a proper driver (which works well in linux .. i've got a few at work) .. just not a decent query tool that i can find |
| 01:34.24 | cockroach | true |
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| 01:34.58 | abrotman | cockroach: too bad i don't have any spares to send to someone to work with |
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| 01:35.23 | cockroach | abrotman: i guess you can get them pretty much for free on ebay these days ;) |
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| 01:36.07 | abrotman | cockroach: still have to pay shipping |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | and i think the new serveraid cards still use them |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | erm . use that driver |
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| 01:36.18 | cockroach | abrotman: also, just for having said it, the thing used to work on kernel 2.2 :) |
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| 01:36.53 | abrotman | cockroach: sure .. it's an old line of cards .. |
| 01:37.32 | cockroach | abrotman: it's a pity they don't open-source their query tool... |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1014:002e |
| 01:37.43 | judd | abrotman: [1014:002e] is 'SCSI RAID Adapter [ServeRAID]' from 'IBM' with kernel module 'ips' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1014:002e |
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| 01:37.52 | abrotman | cockroach: write IBM an email! |
| 01:38.09 | cockroach | abrotman: i think i'm actually going to do that |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1014:01bd |
| 01:38.24 | judd | abrotman: [1014:01bd] is 'ServeRAID Controller' from 'IBM' with kernel module 'ips' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1014:01bd |
| 01:38.37 | bmxdude0 | whats a more low level way to block ips before they even get to netfilter? hosts.deny? |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | and i think i have more than that somewhere |
| 01:38.48 | abrotman | bmxdude0: your router ? |
| 01:39.05 | bmxdude0 | i dont have access its a co-lo |
| 01:39.31 | bmxdude0 | im just tired of getting my logs polluted by blocked netbios traffic from all the NT machines on my subnet |
| 01:40.09 | abrotman | why are you logging it ? |
| 01:40.26 | bmxdude0 | because i log all of my iptables denials |
| 01:40.26 | flourish | i got a SIL 3112 Sata Controller, but don't know howto install in with debian system, any idea |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | flourish: that's been supported for ages |
| 01:40.54 | alecs1 | abrotman: thanks for the suggestion, but it's not deskbar-applet; I am able to to show the launch dialog even without having deskbar-applet installed |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | bmxdude0: you can't have both .. |
| 01:41.18 | bmxdude0 | so iptables would block something before it got to hosts.deny? (tcpwrappers?) |
| 01:42.05 | Tramp | bmxdude0: ye |
| 01:42.06 | Tramp | s |
| 01:42.16 | bmxdude0 | drat |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | bmxdude0: just stop logging that port |
| 01:43.07 | Tramp | bmxdude0: make a seperate rule to block this traffic before it hits your other log |
| 01:43.21 | bmxdude0 | good thinking you guys |
| 01:43.26 | bmxdude0 | thanks |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | didn't i say that five minutes ago ? |
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| 01:47.07 | matthewpucc | hey guys. i'm trying to install debian as a pv guest. i followed this article http://blog.adventuresinopensolaris.com/2008/07/xvm-pv-of-debian-distros.html But when i boot the machine it hangs at "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond" any suggestions? |
| 01:47.22 | flourish | abrotman: yes, since i can see the controller in lenny, but the connected sata drive cannot be recognized |
| 01:47.38 | ebroder | Every time I run `dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive -pcritical locales`, I get "*** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings: LANG=en_US.UTF-8". The second time I run the command in my chroot, it works. Any ideas? |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | flourish: as a RAID device? or a single drive ? |
| 01:48.32 | flourish | abrotman: the controller is a RAID device, but my purpose is just to add another sata drive to the system |
| 01:49.08 | flourish | abrotman: i guess the raid device also do the job, right? |
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| 01:49.44 | abrotman | flourish: it's not a RAID device |
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| 01:50.38 | abrotman | !fakeraid |
| 01:50.39 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 01:51.32 | flourish | abrotman: ??? My device is a RAID Device |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | flourish: it should see the individual drives though |
| 01:51.39 | abrotman | flourish: no, it's not |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | the 3112 is like a $20 SATA controller |
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| 01:52.13 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 01:52.14 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 01:52.16 | pipeline | the 3112 is a famously bad controller |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | pipeline: besides that |
| 01:52.27 | debLiveKnoob | hey I froze my kde gui how do I fix it? haha |
| 01:52.39 | abrotman | on a liveCD ? |
| 01:52.42 | debLiveKnoob | yes |
| 01:52.43 | flourish | abrotman: en, from the disc come with the device, i found SIL3x12RAID/ directory |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | so what? |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | that's a windows driver .. it's like a winmodem |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#sil |
| 01:54.30 | debLiveKnoob | are there some clever keyboard inputs for getting things moving again? |
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| 01:54.49 | flourish | i got the device with me. It says Silicon Image SATALink Sil3112ACT144 |
| 01:54.59 | pipeline | flourish: just throw it away |
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| 01:55.04 | cockroach | debLiveKnoob: there's the reset button... :) |
| 01:55.05 | pipeline | SiL 3112 is terrible |
| 01:55.25 | flourish | :-) |
| 01:55.50 | debLiveKnoob | there's always that cockroach |
| 01:56.03 | flourish | to add a sata drive, which device is better choice? |
| 01:56.16 | adb | debLiveKnoob: ctrl + alt+ backspace will reload X Gui |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | flourish: it's not a real RAID card .. |
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| 01:56.49 | debLiveKnoob | nah, that didn't work,must be disabled in this configuration |
| 01:57.53 | adb | debLiveKnoob: ctrl + alt+ F1 , log as root, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 01:58.07 | flourish | abrotman: but it says it is a RAID Card. :-) maybe i gonna throw it away |
| 01:58.18 | abrotman | flourish: yes .. and Yugo said "car" ... |
| 01:58.26 | debLiveKnoob | nope, nothing |
| 01:58.33 | debLiveKnoob | could be more than the gui |
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| 01:59.15 | debLiveKnoob | that's a rather polite crash this, cpu is nearly idle by the sound of it |
| 01:59.29 | adb | debLiveKnoob: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 01:59.39 | flourish | well, i am now view the link you send me just now |
| 01:59.47 | debLiveKnoob | the c+a+f1 didn't do anything |
| 02:00.31 | adb | c+a+f2 to f6 |
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| 02:00.46 | abrotman | maybe the system is actually frozen ? |
| 02:00.46 | debLiveKnoob | try all 4 you mean? |
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| 02:01.04 | debLiveKnoob | might be, adb is trying to figure it out for me :D |
| 02:01.36 | debLiveKnoob | nope, didn't do anything adb |
| 02:02.02 | adb | log in remotely than .. |
| 02:02.22 | debLiveKnoob | don't think I can |
| 02:02.38 | adb | or use a serial cable |
| 02:02.42 | debLiveKnoob | only linux machine I have around |
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| 02:03.05 | debLiveKnoob | ethernet? |
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| 02:03.29 | adb | try putty from winmachine |
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| 02:04.33 | debLiveKnoob | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_cable ?? have none of those |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | or just .. reboot ? |
| 02:04.44 | adb | serial cable is serial as com1 , but ethernet is nicer |
| 02:05.02 | debLiveKnoob | I will, as soon as adb gets bored :D |
| 02:05.09 | debLiveKnoob | to abrotman that is |
| 02:05.31 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:05.57 | debLiveKnoob | never done ethernet computer to computer before actually |
| 02:06.00 | debLiveKnoob | well I'm hooked up |
| 02:06.04 | adb | again where is my wifi and so on a new day of f*** |
| 02:06.05 | debLiveKnoob | vista here btw |
| 02:06.25 | cockroach | no swearing, please |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | just reboot the stupid thing ... |
| 02:06.52 | cockroach | hah, now you don't know who i met |
| 02:06.54 | cockroach | meant, even |
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| 02:17.46 | DanDare | there´s anywhere in the disk that system stores informations like disk sizes ? |
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| 02:18.31 | pipeline | partition table / dos disklabel in the first 446 bytes |
| 02:19.34 | DanDare | i just restored system from an image file. If i boot from a rescue CD, mount the drive and do: 'df -H' it says /dev/hda1 have 38Gb. If i do a normal boot into Lenny and perform the same 'df -H' it says /dev/hda1 have 9.9Gb. Im confused ... |
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| 02:21.46 | DanDare | how it´s possible |
| 02:22.06 | cockroach | DanDare: do you have more than one disk in that machine? |
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| 02:22.47 | DanDare | cockroach, yeah.. but im pretty sure both informations are regarding to /dev/hda1 |
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| 02:23.20 | DanDare | anyway, I will remove the other disks and do it with just the one |
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| 02:23.52 | cockroach | DanDare: not exactly sure, but i guess that the numbering might have changed. that is, maybe one of the disks is hda if you boot from cd, the other one is hda if you boot from hd |
| 02:23.58 | cockroach | DanDare: sounds like a plan |
| 02:24.19 | DanDare | cockroach, ok... i will left just the one |
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| 02:26.13 | adb | DanDare: df --help |
| 02:26.26 | DanDare | adb, for what ? |
| 02:26.32 | DanDare | ok nvm |
| 02:26.33 | adb | -h, --human-readable |
| 02:26.42 | DanDare | yeah i know |
| 02:29.15 | gce | DanDare: if you do- blkid /dev/hda1 you can confirm whether the same parition is being seen from rescue and normal boot |
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| 02:30.30 | DanDare | gce, ok nice one thanks. I just unpluged any other disks right now to see what happens |
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| 02:32.55 | Anandawardhana | hello i am new to debian and want to try the live CD. what's the difference between debian-live-501-i386-gnome-desktop.iso and debian-live-501-i386-standard.iso ? |
| 02:33.12 | Anandawardhana | i want to use gnome and which one should i try |
| 02:33.37 | Anandawardhana | is talking about these http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:33.59 | alkyC | Anandawardhana, probably the gnome desktop one? |
| 02:35.02 | adb | standard has no X/gui |
| 02:35.18 | Anandawardhana | ahhh adb ok :) |
| 02:35.36 | adb | it's only 133M |
| 02:35.36 | Anandawardhana | thanks alkyC adb |
| 02:35.42 | Anandawardhana | i see |
| 02:36.08 | adb | just start a kde live in vbox |
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| 02:45.45 | DanDare | that´s the explanation but anyway it´s weird (to me),: Booted from a rescue CD and it´s refering to my drive as /dev/hda1... so i chroot to the filesystem on drive and now it´s refering as /dev/hdb1. I have just one drive as master of the first IDE, how come Lenny is refering to it as /dev/hdb1? How to fix ? |
| 02:46.15 | DanDare | it´s on /boot/grubdevice.map? o.O |
| 02:46.31 | DanDare | */boot/grub/device.map |
| 02:47.48 | DanDare | device.map have just "(hd0) /dev/hda" |
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| 02:49.28 | adb | DanDare: that's the issue . won't boot from drive ? |
| 02:49.38 | DanDare | anyway... this system was natively running on /dev/hda2.. but i created a system image and restored in a fresh new drive pluged in hd0 ... edited fstab to reflect the changes but the system wont realize the new condition. How to fix? |
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| 02:51.21 | DanDare | adb, yeah actually not booting... just editing menu.lst to see what happens (what a mess) |
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| 02:52.03 | acu | I have a screwed X11 and I am trying to rename a xorg.conf.backup as xorg.conf and I get this massage Bareword "xorg" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. How can I solve this ? |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 02:52.06 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 02:52.21 | abrotman | acu: rename it how ? |
| 02:52.28 | acu | rename |
| 02:52.29 | abrotman | or what command are you using ? |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | acu: what's wrong with .. mv ? |
| 02:52.58 | acu | that moves the file ? |
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| 02:53.20 | abrotman | do you know what rename is for ? |
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| 02:54.18 | acu | Never mind, abrotman is GENIUSman - if you know it is to easy (Acu's copyright) |
| 02:54.31 | acu | it worked |
| 02:54.35 | acu | :) |
| 02:54.37 | acu | thanks |
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| 02:54.49 | acu | OK, next level of dificulty - Question 2 |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | difficulty ? |
| 02:55.00 | n-iCe | The new stable debian cd isn't recognizing my hard disk, any ideas :/ |
| 02:55.39 | adb | n-iCe: which new ? |
| 02:55.47 | acu | I have another system screwed - everytime it boots it takes forewer to start (pass through) swap file |
| 02:55.54 | n-iCe | adb: well the lastest I downloaded |
| 02:56.10 | adb | n-iCe: which one ? |
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| 02:56.47 | n-iCe | adb: uhm let me insert the cd |
| 02:56.50 | n-iCe | Debian 5.0.1 |
| 02:56.52 | adb | n-iCe: url ? |
| 02:56.59 | n-iCe | Debian 5.0.1 i386 Bin-1 |
| 02:57.07 | n-iCe | I don't remember, I downloaded it like 2 weeks ago |
| 02:57.12 | adb | last is 5.0.2 |
| 02:57.39 | n-iCe | let's see |
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| 02:58.58 | n-iCe | adb: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.2/i386/iso-cd/debian-502-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 02:59.01 | n-iCe | us ok? |
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| 02:59.26 | adb | oui. ok |
| 02:59.36 | n-iCe | great |
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| 02:59.58 | acu | and yet another Question 3 even more incomprehensive - I have a DVI vga card - if I connect it to a 1024X768 it works fine - if I connect to HIgh def it goes to X but shows an 1 inch part of the image on the top - do not know how to fix it |
| 02:59.59 | DanDare | now it boots but stops in "Begin: Waiting for root file system....". p.s. I dont have a separated /boot partition its everything at one mount point. How it can load the kernel from the drive but not mount root file system ? It´s kernel loaded into MBR? |
| 03:00.37 | Wyzard | acu: Do you mean you only see 1 inch of picture at the top of the screen, or that 1 inch of picture is missing at the top? |
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| 03:01.27 | acu | n-ice: I found in some situations that if the Hard disk is 160 GB I got the same message - if I made a partition 50 GB then install - it works (I use Knoppix to live boot and use - Qparted for partition) |
| 03:01.48 | acu | Wyzard: I see one inch only at the top |
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| 03:02.14 | Wyzard | acu: It's not the problem I was thinking it might be, then; sorry |
| 03:02.15 | DanDare | it says now: "ALERT! /dev/hdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell" I have edited everything, menu.lst and reintalled grub from debian CD rescue mode, edited fstab properly... where i must look to fix this ? Any clue ? |
| 03:02.27 | acu | it is very anoying - I have worked sometimes on that server = and I might need to reinstall the system |
| 03:03.24 | Wyzard | Unless you've made some sort of configuration changes (away from the defaults) that would be reverted by reinstalling and going back to the defaults, reinstalling isn't likely to make a difference |
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| 03:04.04 | Wyzard | Start by determining what the problem *is*, rather than taking a shot in the dark |
| 03:04.14 | acu | Wyzard: what is interesting - I inserted an Video card with HDMI and that shows proper screen |
| 03:04.22 | Wyzard | Try some liveCDs, like Ubuntu and/or Fedora; does the problem happen with those systems too, or just with the Debian installation? |
| 03:04.41 | acu | Wyzard: good point -I tried with Knoppix and is the same |
| 03:04.46 | Wyzard | HDMI uses the same video signals as DVI, so the shape of the plug probably doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 03:04.56 | DanDare | can someone help me in remembering, wich grub command to update the file devices.map ? |
| 03:05.04 | Wyzard | But switching video cards (and therefore, perhaps, video drivers) might |
| 03:06.00 | Wyzard | Or, if your TV has both a DVI port and an HDMI port, and you're actually switching between those two ports on the TV, try getting a DVI->HDMI adapter and using the DVI video card with the TV's HDMI port |
| 03:06.08 | Wyzard | Maybe the problem is something with the TV's DVI input |
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| 03:07.36 | acu | Wyzard: I have two monitors I tried - a Sony Brevia 42 inch and a 22 inch Viewsonic |
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| 03:08.13 | adb | DanDare: grub-install --recheck |
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| 03:08.19 | acu | As I said it works on a 15 inch normal flat LCD philips |
| 03:08.53 | Wyzard | When you say "normal", do you mean something meant for use as a computer monitor, not a TV? |
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| 03:09.27 | acu | wyzard yes - but also the viewsonic is a normal - just HDTV 1080p resolution |
| 03:09.39 | DanDare | reformulating: I booted using a rescue CD and system referes to my drive as /dev/hda1. I mount the device and chroot to it. So then system lost reference to the drive... i cant 'fdisk /dev/hda' or 'fdisk /dev/hdb' or 'fdisk /dev/hdd' or anything else. How to fix and turn the drive /dev/hda ? |
| 03:10.00 | DanDare | thanks adb |
| 03:10.28 | Wyzard | acu: ok... because TVs may do unexpected things with input signals from a computer |
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| 03:11.17 | Wyzard | acu: That's why I asked about whether you were getting the top inch chopped off... that's a common thing on a TV, I think, because in a TV signal that's the "overscan" area that's not meant to be seen, so the TV doesn't show it |
| 03:11.37 | Wyzard | acu: Your problem is different and I don't know whether it's related to that sort of thing, though |
| 03:11.53 | adb | DanDare: but you may edit grub at boot tape e and change in kernel line root=/dev/hda1 or so |
| 03:12.21 | DanDare | adb, i did it already, it boots, but wont mount root file system |
| 03:12.46 | adb | change to this root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 03:13.04 | adb | or root=/dev/sda1 |
| 03:13.48 | adb | try all possibilities , not so many thought |
| 03:13.57 | DanDare | adb, i have the line "root (hd0,0)" i change to "root=/dev/hda1" ? |
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| 03:14.31 | adb | nope, next line whit kernel |
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| 03:15.17 | n-iCe | acu: by default what's the debian stable last kernel? |
| 03:15.29 | adb | 2.6.26 |
| 03:15.32 | DanDare | adb, allright, makes sense.. i think i overlooked menu.lst.. very thanks |
| 03:16.38 | maxagaz | how do i know on which /dev/ is my current system installed ? |
| 03:17.06 | dmoerner | maxagaz, "mount" which tell you what device is mounted on / |
| 03:18.06 | maxagaz | ok |
| 03:18.08 | n-iCe | thanks adb |
| 03:18.11 | adb | DanDare: ones find the correct root=/dev/blablah , make same changes in boot/grub/menu.lst , that's all , reboot to verify |
| 03:18.22 | n-iCe | adb: does Debian announce when will be the kernel upgraded? |
| 03:18.25 | maxagaz | how to know if my current hard drive is sata or ide ? |
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| 03:19.08 | adb | n-iCe: i use 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 yet |
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| 03:19.29 | adb | from backport for lenny to |
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| 03:20.07 | n-iCe | adb: but that's a Debian Characteristic to not upgrade till it is 100% ready/stable right? |
| 03:20.08 | adb | too* |
| 03:20.34 | adb | n-iCe: i use that's all .. |
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| 03:20.57 | DanDare | adb, it works now. |
| 03:21.00 | n-iCe | adb: does Debian announce when will be the kernel upgraded? |
| 03:21.08 | n-iCe | on site or something' |
| 03:21.34 | adb | n-iCe: read Debian announce mail list |
| 03:22.02 | adb | !win DanDare |
| 03:22.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, DanDare! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 03:22.48 | adb | !kernels |
| 03:22.50 | DanDare | thanks ;) |
| 03:22.51 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.30.2, prepatch: 2.6.31-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.31-rc3-git5, 2.4: 2.4.37.3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
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| 03:23.03 | adb | DanDare: yw |
| 03:23.37 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: kernels |
| 03:23.39 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-2); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 03:24.20 | adb | n-iCe: ^^ |
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| 03:26.37 | jnewt | hello, is there a way to apt-cache search from only a certain repository or at least list which one each entry is from (and sort if possible?) |
| 03:26.43 | DanDare | adb, the grub mistake was dumb but what amazes me is: Booting from some rescue CD (so no grub being loaded), bash informs me that my drive is /dev/hda, at this point doing chroot to the root filesystem bash informs me that my drive is /dev/hdb. System admit what is your drive by the last loaded grub? Im just confused about. |
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| 03:29.56 | adb | jnewt: use apt-cache policy pkgname |
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| 03:33.36 | Led_Zeppelin | If I were to serve very large files on my local network is it a good idea to use Bittorrent? |
| 03:33.45 | Led_Zeppelin | Will it provide me redudancy if a server goes out? |
| 03:33.46 | nevyn | Led_Zeppelin: depends |
| 03:33.56 | nevyn | not without doing a bunch of other stuff. |
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| 03:34.31 | Led_Zeppelin | nevyn, oh, what other stuff? I though BT protcol took care of this |
| 03:34.53 | nevyn | bt is just a distribution mechinism |
| 03:35.05 | Led_Zeppelin | not redudancy, right? |
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| 03:35.47 | nevyn | it might be possible if you configured a tracker that the hosts subscribed to or something |
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| 03:43.56 | dipponaught | is there a debian maintianers chan? |
| 03:44.06 | deco | is ubuntu pretty much debian etch ? |
| 03:44.10 | deco | i mean sid |
| 03:44.35 | adb | testing |
| 03:45.36 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:45.46 | adb | oftc* |
| 03:45.53 | dipponaught | deco: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian |
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| 03:47.38 | dipponaught | adb: thanks |
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| 03:49.06 | magnuX | is away: busy |
| 03:50.42 | Tramp | !tell magnuX -about away |
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| 03:51.19 | magnuX | is back (gone 00:02:13) |
| 03:52.13 | magnuX | ... |
| 03:52.20 | adb | dpkg: tell magnuX -about back |
| 03:52.39 | bpun | anyone knows of a good pxe tutorial to install linux? (if you don't know please dont just say google it thank you) |
| 03:53.18 | acu | bpun what is pxe ? |
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| 03:53.30 | magnuX | I was going to ask the same thing |
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| 03:54.17 | Cain | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment |
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| 03:55.25 | dipponaught | are custom aclocal.m4 macros the standard way to check for ipv6 support? |
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| 03:56.12 | Cain | bpun : maybe that will helps ==> http://pxe.dev.aboveaverageurl.com/index.php/PXE_Booting/Debian |
| 03:56.53 | tpocra | I am trying to run a small 32-bit app on amd64 Debian. I've installed all the 32-bit libraries it was complaining about not having, but now I get: |
| 03:56.56 | tpocra | Could not write do /dev/dsp! Already in use? |
| 03:56.59 | tpocra | And /dev/dsp is not already in use. |
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| 03:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, no, sid, not testing, last time I looked |
| 03:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | as weird as that is :) |
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| 03:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then, he shouldn't have asked here and expected you to know :) |
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| 04:00.40 | fogus | I am trying to follow http://d-i.pascal.at/ . I am at ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny . what do I download to install off of a usb stick? |
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| 04:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, /dev/dsp is the OSS device and those mostly only allow one process to use sound at a time |
| 04:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, fuser /dev/dsp tells you which process it is fuser -k /dev/dsp kills it |
| 04:01.37 | fogus | oh, sorry, I found it. the path is deeper now |
| 04:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, if you're really using alsa (which you normally would on debian), you can also try 'aoss yourprogram' to force it to use the alsa devices |
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| 04:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 04:03.11 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 04:03.53 | fogus | oh, cheers, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus, the only way that worked for me was to use the hdimage kernel and place the .iso onto the stick (overwriting the whole stick would of course also have worked) |
| 04:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but I didn't want to do that) |
| 04:04.40 | uman | Hello, I'm running Lenny, but I need a specific package from Sid |
| 04:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think your guide for sarge is a bit outdated :) |
| 04:04.49 | uman | how do I go about installing that one specific package? |
| 04:04.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell uman -about ssb |
| 04:05.00 | uman | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 04:05.39 | adb | fogus: still at this issue ? ;) |
| 04:05.52 | Cain | CutMeOwnThroat : about this method are there any limitations about the size of th stick ? i used a 2GB usb key but it uses only 256mb... |
| 04:05.58 | fogus | adb: just got my comp parts for my new pc. |
| 04:06.22 | n-iCe | wget -c works for resume correct? if something went wrong, how do I resume the download? |
| 04:06.33 | fogus | adb: I got a slim drive but my case has not arrived that has the slim dvd drive holder so I am stuck with no optical drive I guess |
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| 04:06.49 | uman | wow, talking to dpkg is like a flashback from playing morrowind |
| 04:07.04 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat: still unutu is testing based for me , heh |
| 04:07.07 | uman | embedded in everything he tells you are three more things you can ask him about |
| 04:09.30 | tpocra | CutMeOwnThroat: fuser /dev/dsp returns nothing |
| 04:10.01 | tpocra | aoss myprogram returns: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored |
| 04:10.09 | tpocra | in addition to /dev/dsp error |
| 04:11.12 | fogus | adb: the guide confuses me. I copy the files to the usb stick and extract them and then I mount the usb stick? (section 4.3.1) |
| 04:11.54 | adb | tpocra: you run a Debian system ? ???/usr/$LIB/ ??? |
| 04:12.36 | adb | fogus: exact |
| 04:12.54 | fogus | adb: well, don't I have to mount the stick first? |
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| 04:13.50 | adb | fogus: just said `I mount the usb stick` |
| 04:14.52 | fogus | this is confusing. how can I transfer files without mounting it? |
| 04:15.02 | adb | nope |
| 04:15.17 | adb | `after that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), ` |
| 04:16.29 | fogus | adb: how can I transfer files without mountinm my usb stick prior to transferring the files? |
| 04:16.41 | Arrowmaster | are you refering to the `zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX` part? thats not coping files thats overwriting the partition table on the usb drive |
| 04:16.56 | fogus | adb: my stick is fat32, is that ok? |
| 04:16.59 | adb | fogus: sure mount it |
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| 04:17.20 | adb | fogus: why fat32 ? |
| 04:17.26 | ajavid | I need to generate entity relationship diagrams from a mysql db dump |
| 04:17.31 | fogus | Arrowmaster: yes. oh. I overwrite the partition table? how can I do that under win32? |
| 04:17.33 | ajavid | can't find any thing that will run on debian stable |
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| 04:17.40 | fogus | adb: that's just the way things are |
| 04:17.42 | ajavid | I'm slowly losing my hair |
| 04:17.44 | tpocra | adb: Yes I run a Debian system |
| 04:17.46 | ajavid | I've been searching all day |
| 04:18.16 | fogus | adb: windows will not let me use fat16. |
| 04:18.47 | adb | fogus: sure it let you |
| 04:19.06 | fogus | adb: well, I'm sure that it won't |
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| 04:19.28 | adb | fogus: just saw a vista installed on fat16 ... |
| 04:19.48 | fogus | adb: the drop down menu only has one item: "fat32" |
| 04:20.09 | ajavid | seriously |
| 04:20.19 | ajavid | this is ridiculous. |
| 04:20.28 | adb | fogus: which menu ? |
| 04:20.37 | adb | ajavid: yes |
| 04:21.00 | ajavid | yes what? |
| 04:21.16 | ajavid | do you know what an ERD is? |
| 04:21.19 | adb | yes it was as i daid |
| 04:21.36 | adb | said* |
| 04:23.01 | fogus | adb: http://gsfogus.pbworks.com/f/drop_down_menu.PNG |
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| 04:23.41 | Cain | fogus : you can't use the tutorial (as it) on windows (maybe with cygwin ?) ==> try this one : http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ or http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/installing-debian-from-a-usb-stick |
| 04:24.29 | fogus | Cain: thanks man. I've tried cygwin before but not again! |
| 04:24.33 | adb | fogus: bad ,> `Since most USB sticks come pre-configured with a single FAT16 partition` |
| 04:24.44 | bpun | adb, i'd say fat32 |
| 04:24.48 | bpun | adb, not fat16 |
| 04:25.08 | adb | still fat16 |
| 04:25.34 | bpun | for small disks <500mb , yes, otherwise they'd need to be resetted to fat32 |
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| 04:27.47 | joel546 | as I recall, one can format larger partitions to FAT16 using Linux, and Windows will work with them, but Windows does not allow formatting FAT16 above an arbitrary smaller size |
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| 04:32.28 | DanDare | i have one p |
| 04:33.44 | DanDare | *onde drive ive added and everytime i mount it says "partition miunted Y times already, you should run fsck". How to set to fsck check the partition automaticaly like it does on the main drive ? |
| 04:33.46 | uman | where can I look up which version of a package is in testing or sid? |
| 04:34.27 | adb | !pbo |
| 04:34.31 | DanDare | uman, at debian.org you can browse for package lists |
| 04:35.01 | adb | !pdo |
| 04:35.01 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 04:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, hm, sometimes only root can see what fuser returns... should be one of your processes, though |
| 04:35.57 | tpocra | Nope |
| 04:36.03 | uman | DanDare: thanks |
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| 04:36.07 | tpocra | CutMeOwnThroat: fuser /dev/dsp as root returns nothing |
| 04:36.10 | uman | adb: thanks |
| 04:36.33 | adb | uman: ask judd versions pkgname |
| 04:36.51 | joel546 | tpocra: already is use was question, right? maybe unable to write because of permissions |
| 04:37.24 | tpocra | crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-07-16 00:26 /dev/dsp |
| 04:37.40 | fogus | anyone here have experience with md raid? I'm trying to bulid a raid6 that can expand at any time and is encrypted. is it possible to use truecrypt for this? |
| 04:38.15 | tpocra | I get the same errors when trying to run the exe as root |
| 04:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, weird... then it shouldn't be in use |
| 04:38.22 | tpocra | Note that this is a 32-bit exe on amd64 |
| 04:38.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian/architecture is this, btw |
| 04:38.44 | tpocra | sid amd64 |
| 04:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm sid |
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| 04:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | 32/64 bit might explain why the aoss wrapper doesn't work |
| 04:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird though it should print /usr/$LIB/ |
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| 04:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoss is a simple wrapper shell script |
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| 04:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, echo lkslsa >/dev/dsp works, though? |
| 04:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, funny, acts the same for me |
| 04:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo lkslsa >/dev/dsp -> -bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 04:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoss bash -c "echo lkslsa >/dev/dsp" works, though |
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| 04:44.53 | tpocra | CutMeOwnThroat: The first command returns device or resource bust |
| 04:45.12 | tpocra | the second one just returns to a new prompt with no output |
| 04:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | same for me |
| 04:45.21 | Administrator_ | I have debian 5.0.0 lenny and was trying to setup pppoe connection on my box using the tool rp-pppoe. it connects and I am assigned an IP but I am not able to ping any other host except my ISP. I have already queried and entered the nameservers on the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/ppp/resolv.conf ,restarted the network daemon but still I m noit able to ping. Any Ideas guys.? :) |
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| 04:45.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually should also give a short click on the speaker |
| 04:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't hear it |
| 04:45.42 | bpun | anyone knows if i can disable rpc.statd service ? (i'm not using nfs, this debian setup is on a small arm slu2 device) |
| 04:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | try it? :) |
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| 04:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | tpocra, so why don't you get an error for the aoss wrapper in this case? |
| 04:48.03 | fogus | do ubuntu distros work on debian.? |
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| 04:48.13 | bpun | fogus, no |
| 04:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | does windows work on suse? |
| 04:48.43 | fogus | so I can't use the truecrypt ubuntu distro? http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads |
| 04:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean ubuntu packages? |
| 04:49.25 | Administrator_ | I have debian 5.0.0 lenny and was trying to setup pppoe connection on my box using the tool rp-pppoe. it connects and I am assigned an IP but I am not able to ping any other host except my ISP. I have already queried and entered the nameservers on the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/ppp/resolv.conf ,restarted the network daemon but still I m noit able to ping. Any Ideas guys.? :) |
| 04:49.26 | fogus | bpun: how can I encrypt many disks joined with mdraid? |
| 04:49.41 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: well, distributed packages, yeah |
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| 04:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "repositories" was perhaps the word you were looking for |
| 04:49.59 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: do ubuntu packages work on debian? |
| 04:50.02 | cmyers_work | Administrator_: did you try pinging IPs, or only DNS names? Have you examined your routing tables? |
| 04:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | distro == something like debian, ubuntu, suse, redhat |
| 04:50.27 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, you are right |
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| 04:50.45 | bpun | Administrator_, no need to flood with /amsg ... this has nothing to do with debian |
| 04:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus, sometimes... and don't come here to complain they zapped your system :) |
| 04:51.08 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: what would you recommend instead? |
| 04:51.09 | bpun | fogus, i have no clue, why are you asking me? |
| 04:51.19 | fogus | bpun: because you are smart |
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| 04:52.02 | Administrator_ | bpun, dint have this problem with fedora |
| 04:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !truecrypt |
| 04:52.09 | dpkg | truecrypt is, like, a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org/, or http://bugs.debian.org/413070 |
| 04:52.44 | fogus | !CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:52.45 | dpkg | Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.' |
| 04:53.07 | fogus | no way! |
| 04:53.15 | bpun | Administrator_, WRONG CHANNEL |
| 04:53.29 | bpun | Administrator_, #linux -- you're already conversing with others on the topic.. |
| 04:53.44 | Administrator_ | bpun, plz help me man |
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| 04:53.44 | cmyers_work | Administrator_: I agree it is very unlikely debian is the cause of this problem, all sorts of other things might be different between what you had working on fedora and what is currently not working on debian. What folks are trying to say is the people in the networking channel are the right ones to ask. |
| 04:53.54 | bpun | I wont help you, if you abuse /amsg |
| 04:54.06 | Administrator_ | cmyers_home, can you tell me which channel. |
| 04:54.43 | cmyers_work | Administrator_: looks like ##networking is full of people |
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| 04:54.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus, read that bugreport... |
| 04:54.48 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: lets say that I didn't need plausible deniability. what would you recomment then |
| 04:55.18 | Administrator_ | cmyers_home, thanks. I would check that out. thanks :) |
| 04:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | fogus, also, you can look at the package dependencies and if/how debian packages can fulfill them... i.e. you can _try_ to install the package - and I really suggest you look at that bugreport... |
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| 04:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it actually tells you what to do |
| 04:58.02 | fogus | doesn't linux have some buld in encryption? or something that you would recommend that is less hacky and buggy that works for a lot of people? what do you use? |
| 04:58.22 | ajavid | there is a software called http://schemaspy.sourceforge.net/ which is java based and it requried a JDBC mysql driver. Where can I find this in debian? |
| 05:00.04 | jmarsden | ajavid: DbVisualizer 6.5.7 Free will get you diagrams that may be something like what you want, in the "References" tab, and you can export them as JPG ... not open source software, but the free edition is free of cost and "works for me" on Ubuntu. |
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| 05:00.44 | ajavid | I found SchemaSpy.jar |
| 05:02.48 | ajavid | i think /usr/share/java/mysql-connector-java-5.1.6.jar |
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| 05:05.03 | Devjos | Hello All |
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| 05:07.40 | Devjos | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.15 | rozie | Devjos: there's 5 now, no need to use 4 |
| 05:09.11 | Dominicus | What would you guys consider to be the best torrent package to install for debian? Does anyone ever start a torrent via CLI? Or would you guys just recommend people to use Vuze instead? |
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| 05:10.40 | CcSsNET | ctorrent is nice |
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| 05:10.53 | CcSsNET | transmition is decent as well |
| 05:10.54 | craigevil | Dominicus: rtorrent ,trasnmission or even deluge are all better choices than vuze |
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| 05:12.17 | foanak | can't scan with my hp f380 all-in-one. xsane can't find device. suspect udev. libsane.rules does not have f380. is that the problem? how to put in it? |
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| 05:13.51 | foanak | i was able to scan before. had done several times of upgrade since then |
| 05:14.04 | fogus | CutMeOwnThroat: that doc is for 4.3 |
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| 05:19.25 | fogus | Cain: I get no boot from that unetbootin thing. it seems to have extracted the files file |
| 05:19.33 | ajavid | jmarsden, it works very well |
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| 05:21.08 | jmarsden | ajavid: Good. Yes, I just got it to work too: java -jar schemaSpy_4.1.1.jar -t mysql -host localhost -db test -u root -p secret -o /tmp/sspytest1 -dp /usr/share/java/mysql.jar |
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| 05:23.23 | linuxjones317 | sorry im kinda new and i know this is going to be a dumb question, but what do i install to get the opengl package? |
| 05:25.03 | fogus | how can I use dm crypt to encrypt a disk under md raid? |
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| 05:26.00 | ajavid | jmarsden, http://swoopo.podzone.org:8181/output/ I'm not fully happy with the generated output, but its a damn good tool regardless |
| 05:26.23 | ajavid | jmarsden, http://swoopo.podzone.org:8181/output/tables/registration.html basically the visual diagrams is what I was after |
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| 05:31.47 | Devjos | rozie: actually i have an flash(DOM) on that debian 4 thin client image installed |
| 05:32.10 | Devjos | rozie: so i wan to install debian 4 on standerd machine |
| 05:32.18 | jmarsden | fogus: Just run cryptsetup on the partition(s) you want to encrypt. cryptsetup shouldn't care that the device you use underneath it is a RAID device. |
| 05:33.11 | Devjos | rozie: because of watever we installed in on debian 5 which is not applicable for debian 4 |
| 05:33.32 | jmarsden | Devjos: Look under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 05:34.22 | Devjos | jmarsden: i visited this link i found 4.0 ... in that i got debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:34.23 | fogus | jmarsden: what do I do when I want to expand my raid? |
| 05:34.38 | Devjos | jmarsden: is it proper |
| 05:34.40 | Devjos | ? |
| 05:36.00 | jmarsden | Proper? Is that the ISO you want? Maybe, if you want to do a network install. I can't say for sure. For a full CD, and an updated 4.0, see http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:38.00 | jmarsden | fogus: You want an encrypted filesystem you can expand in place... good luck :) |
| 05:39.15 | fogus | jmarsden: can't I create encrypted partitions and join them together with mdraid? |
| 05:40.12 | jmarsden | fogus: I don't think so, but I'm not a dmcrypt expert. |
| 05:40.25 | fogus | anyone here use dmcrypt? |
| 05:41.17 | nsadmin | Devjos: it would work with 386, 486, 586, 686 as well as amd64 and core 2duo |
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| 05:41.52 | nsadmin | and similar amd chips |
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| 05:44.30 | \amethyst | nsadmin: not 386 anymore, 486DX and up |
| 05:45.25 | \amethyst | nsadmin: iirc |
| 05:45.32 | Devjos | jmarsden: debian-40r8-i386-DVD-1.iso which is 4 GB |
| 05:45.36 | Devjos | is this right ? |
| 05:45.51 | Devjos | jmarsden: |
| 05:46.11 | nsadmin | \amethyst: hmm. then the arch is not named well |
| 05:46.22 | jmarsden | Devjos: If you need the whole DVD worth of stuff, and have a DVD burner, that should work for you, yes. |
| 05:46.53 | Devjos | jmarsden: thank you |
| 05:46.56 | nsadmin | Devjos: will this machine of yours (what cpu?) have a net connection? |
| 05:47.22 | rozie | Devjos: consider switching to 5. or Ubuntu LTS... |
| 05:48.09 | fogus | I cannot install linux off of my usb stick with the unetbootin-windows-357.exe program. I get no boot |
| 05:48.16 | rozie | you can also use netinstall for 4 and "old" repositories |
| 05:48.26 | rozie | and install from net |
| 05:48.56 | fogus | rozie: I cannot get any boot |
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| 05:49.12 | nsadmin | Devjos: will this machine of yours (what cpu?) have a net connection? |
| 05:49.20 | Devjos | rozie: ok |
| 05:49.40 | Devjos | nsadmin: 386 |
| 05:50.17 | nsadmin | and will it have a net connectin? |
| 05:50.23 | Devjos | yes |
| 05:50.41 | nsadmin | how fast/wide? |
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| 05:51.17 | rozie | Devjos: do you plan to install more than 1 machine? |
| 05:51.27 | rozie | if so, use apt-cacher(-ng) |
| 05:51.55 | Devjos | yes |
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| 05:52.30 | rozie | you will benefit quick and easy installation with only necessary packages |
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| 05:52.56 | nsadmin | and trade disk space for that |
| 05:52.58 | Devjos | rozie: right now i want to install on single machine |
| 05:53.05 | rozie | and the packages will be in newest version |
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| 05:53.43 | angel_ | How can I do a network boot via my external wireless card? |
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| 05:54.06 | rozie | nsadmin: true. but disc are cheap. and transfer on 100 mbit may be faster then using CD/DVD |
| 05:54.12 | fogus | how can I install debian from a usb stick? |
| 05:54.37 | rozie | fogus: find an image of installer for USB stick |
| 05:54.51 | rozie | use boot from USB |
| 05:55.01 | rozie | that's all, I think |
| 05:55.14 | fogus | rozie: how? where is the image? how is it different from the net install image that I already tried? |
| 05:55.35 | fogus | how do I put the image onto the usb stick? |
| 05:55.56 | craigevil | fogus: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 05:56.11 | nsadmin | rozie: disks being cheap (yes that's true) won't necessarily match what he has available |
| 05:56.18 | fogus | craigevil: I am running windows. I already tried that guide |
| 05:56.32 | sunoano | I am looking for ways to monitor subdirectories with inotify |
| 05:56.51 | rozie | nsadmin: I'm pretty sure it will take 1 or 2 GB of space only |
| 05:56.52 | sunoano | i.e. a way to automatically create watches for newly created subdirs |
| 05:56.57 | fogus | sunoano: I've done that. you can use the recursive=true tag under python |
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| 05:57.09 | nsadmin | angel_: your card and bios need to support net boot |
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| 05:57.25 | sunoano | fogus: I see, you got some code to look at? |
| 05:57.50 | nsadmin | rozie: as you notice, he's slow to give info and we |
| 05:57.51 | fogus | rozie: I only need the netinstall version. I have an 8gb stick |
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| 05:58.06 | nsadmin | re fast to give possible soluttions |
| 05:58.16 | rozie | nsadmin: my cache takes only 1,5 GB |
| 05:58.17 | angel_ | nsadmin: they support net boot, If I boot it via my Lan card its working , but I can't net boot via wireless |
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| 05:58.49 | nsadmin | so perhaps your wireless card doesn't support netboot |
| 05:58.50 | rozie | and this is for desktops with KDE, used since sarge or so |
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| 05:59.09 | fogus | sunoano: are you interested in using python? |
| 05:59.19 | rozie | angel_: what card? |
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| 05:59.37 | sunoano | fogus: anything that works; python is fine with me |
| 05:59.42 | angel_ | TP-LINK |
| 05:59.51 | angel_ | rozie: TP-LINK |
| 05:59.52 | rozie | angel_: have you tried alternative installers from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ? |
| 05:59.58 | rozie | angel_: chipset? |
| 06:00.09 | fogus | sunoano: see http://trac.dbzteam.org/pyinotify/wiki/Tutorial and http://trac.dbzteam.org/pyinotify/wiki/PyinotifyExamples#Pyinotifyshortexamples |
| 06:00.16 | sunoano | checks |
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| 06:00.34 | angel_ | rozie: its an external card |
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| 06:01.20 | fogus | sunoano: you can use http://pyinotify.sourceforge.net/ but be ware: a lot of it is outdated. |
| 06:01.26 | rozie | fogus: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 06:01.31 | fogus | this works though: wdd = wm.add_watch('/tmp', mask, rec=True) |
| 06:01.34 | sunoano | fogus: wdd = wm.add_watch('/tmp', mask, rec=True) ... sexy, that I like :) |
| 06:01.41 | rozie | there are USB images |
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| 06:03.41 | sunoano | fogus: I am going with the .deb |
| 06:03.42 | sunoano | wks:/home/sa# type afs; afs pynotify | grep so |
| 06:03.42 | sunoano | afs is aliased to `apt-file search' |
| 06:03.42 | sunoano | python-notify: /usr/lib/python-support/python-notify/python2.4/gtk-2.0/pynotify/_pynotify.so |
| 06:03.42 | sunoano | python-notify: /usr/lib/python-support/python-notify/python2.5/gtk-2.0/pynotify/_pynotify.so |
| 06:03.42 | sunoano | wks:/home/sa# |
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| 06:04.08 | vandenoever | is there a way when defining depencendies to say: package A or package B must be installed? |
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| 06:04.15 | fogus | rozie: I am confused: which one of http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ do I need? |
| 06:04.39 | sunoano | oouch ... that hurt :) |
| 06:04.44 | nsadmin | vandenoever: yes; check the debian packaging manual |
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| 06:05.47 | vandenoever | ah A|B, that's pretty logical |
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| 06:10.57 | fogus | I give up. linux usb boot fail! |
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| 06:11.25 | sparr | what polyhedron is made of alternating regular-pentagon and regular-triangle faces? |
| 06:11.31 | sparr | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 06:15.51 | sidewalk | my colleague is running Debian Etch and Apache 2, when trying to authenticate through htaccess, he can enter his own password + more characters to the password, and it still authenticates, do you guys know of this problem and is this something that |
| 06:15.54 | sidewalk | is fixed in lenny? |
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| 06:16.33 | nsadmin | is the passwd the max number of chars? |
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| 06:28.03 | Shtl | Hi all |
| 06:28.50 | Lt_Tinkle | does someone know how to specify which version of gcc to use when compiling? |
| 06:29.35 | Shtl | I have installed Lenny with XP preinstalled with lilo as boot loader, now i want to remove lilo and install grub, can any one tell me plz how i can do this???? |
| 06:29.48 | nsadmin | Lt_Tinkle: info gcc, look at invoking section |
| 06:30.02 | Lt_Tinkle | ok |
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| 06:30.44 | nsadmin | also gcc is just a driver, sometimes dists will install a different driver per version of gcc |
| 06:30.53 | nsadmin | and symlink one of them to gcc |
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| 06:30.57 | nsadmin | look in /usr/bin |
| 06:31.19 | Lt_Tinkle | thanks nsadmin |
| 06:32.14 | nsadmin | Shtl: how does lilo boot xp? |
| 06:32.48 | Shtl | yaa i did not know that, its not booting it |
| 06:33.12 | nsadmin | did not know what? |
| 06:33.44 | Shtl | i installed Lilo but its not booting XP |
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| 06:34.09 | nsadmin | are you in debian now? |
| 06:34.23 | Shtl | yes |
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| 06:34.49 | nsadmin | you could try apt-get install grub to start with |
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| 06:35.31 | Shtl | but what about LILO, do i need to remove it?? |
| 06:36.02 | nsadmin | where is lilo installed? |
| 06:36.14 | nsadmin | does lilo boot debian? what version of debian you have? |
| 06:36.41 | Shtl | its booting debian, m using lenny |
| 06:37.23 | Shtl | i always prefer grub but it gave error while installing lenny, thats why i tried with LILO which gone fine |
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| 06:38.16 | Digii | is new gnome 2.26 in debian repo? |
| 06:38.21 | nsadmin | what error? |
| 06:39.42 | Shtl | nsadmin: it did not listsed any error, but simply said, error:failed to install grub |
| 06:40.28 | nsadmin | ok, so lilo does not make any attempt to boot xp? |
| 06:40.36 | nsadmin | and there is no option to do so? |
| 06:41.01 | craigevil | Digii: most of 2.26 is in testing or sid, but not stable |
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| 06:41.56 | nsadmin | does lilo put up any kind of a boot menu? |
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| 06:42.13 | Shtl | its not prompting for the options to select either of the OSes while booting, its directly going to lenny |
| 06:42.38 | Shtl | i also tried to edit /etc/lilo.conf file but did not get success |
| 06:43.00 | nsadmin | ok |
| 06:43.28 | nsadmin | where does lilo install to? |
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| 06:44.03 | Shtl | MBR |
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| 06:44.44 | nsadmin | ok, when you install grub, is that where you want it? |
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| 06:44.57 | Shtl | yes ofcourse |
| 06:45.30 | nsadmin | so the stage1 (size, one sector) will go in the mbr... howbout stage2? |
| 06:45.46 | nsadmin | in the 64 sectors following the mbr? |
| 06:45.53 | nsadmin | they should be free |
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| 06:47.08 | Shtl | next sector? |
| 06:48.14 | nsadmin | stage2 is many sectors |
| 06:48.38 | pipingcats | Are there any cool terminal emulators anyone could recommend? |
| 06:49.11 | pipingcats | I'm kind of bored with gnome terminal |
| 06:49.12 | nsadmin | maybe there's the terminal emulator George Clooney uses... cool enough? |
| 06:50.44 | flourish | hello, quick question. my squeeze system cannot find CONFIG_BROKEN (under "Code maturity level options") in kernel menuconfig |
| 06:50.47 | pipingcats | That stings, nsadmin |
| 06:51.12 | flourish | nsadmin: hi, do you remember me. |
| 06:51.56 | nsadmin | Hi flourish; from when? |
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| 06:52.39 | flourish | nsadmin: maybe the day before yesterday, i ask a question about a sata raid card and you answer me and then you go sleep:-) |
| 06:53.45 | nsadmin | pipingcats: terminal emulators are tools... coolness factor is probably irrelevent... if you're getting bored, the thing to do is shutdown and go outside and meet people |
| 06:53.48 | flourish | nsadmin: the sata drive problem still remain. yes, you also tell me the different from drive to driver :-) |
| 06:54.04 | nsadmin | oh ok ;) |
| 06:54.40 | flourish | nsadmin: i am now still working on it :-( |
| 06:55.01 | flourish | btw, is the a CONFIG_BROKEN switch in kernel configuration? |
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| 06:55.42 | flourish | a web page said "Note that enabling libata support for this chipset requires enabling CONFIG_BROKEN (under "Code maturity level options") in your kernel configuration" |
| 06:55.57 | nsadmin | Shtl: run fdisk on the drive you're installing grub to, go to Xpert mode, switch the units to sectors and see where the first sector starts |
| 06:55.59 | flourish | but i cannot find it |
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| 06:57.15 | Shtl | is it possible to install grub on / partition and boot both XP and lenny???? |
| 06:57.28 | deco | yes |
| 06:57.39 | nsadmin | maybe. what partition is /? |
| 06:58.19 | nsadmin | Shtl: run fdisk on the drive you're installing grub to, go to Xpert mode, switch the units to sectors and see where the first sector starts |
| 06:58.42 | deco | just add the xp partition to grub's menu list |
| 06:58.46 | nsadmin | then exit fdisk (you're not going to write anything) |
| 06:58.54 | Shtl | ok |
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| 07:00.02 | nsadmin | flourish: try enabling alpha drivers |
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| 07:00.58 | nsadmin | Shtl: so what's the answer? |
| 07:02.05 | Shtl | its not with the PC i am working on rt now......, its my home PC |
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| 07:03.09 | nsadmin | Shtl: ok, then hold off installing anything until you find out |
| 07:03.57 | nsadmin | you can edit the menu.lst, but don't install grub until and unless you know whether you have those sectors at the start of the drive |
| 07:04.28 | nsadmin | 99% chance you do, but if you don't, you're going to overwrite something you don't want to overwrite |
| 07:05.09 | nsadmin | are you at home? does your home pc have internet? |
| 07:05.57 | Digii | is debian 64bit stable? |
| 07:06.07 | uman | Hi, how can I trick debian into believing a certain package is installed |
| 07:06.11 | uman | so that apt-get doesn't choke on it |
| 07:06.23 | nsadmin | look into equivs |
| 07:06.36 | uman | I manually uninstalled something that a bunch of other things depend on, because I needed to build a later version from source |
| 07:06.54 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:07.25 | nsadmin | uman: build the package |
| 07:07.58 | uman | nsadmin: I can't install equivs, apt-get is broken |
| 07:08.15 | nsadmin | you can get the .deb and install it with dpkg |
| 07:08.17 | uman | is there some flag I can pass to apt-get to make it ignore the fact that I have missing dependencies for totally unrelated packages |
| 07:08.45 | nsadmin | Shtl: I don't do help in /msg |
| 07:09.06 | Shtl | ok |
| 07:09.10 | Shtl | fine |
| 07:09.12 | nsadmin | you don't need to remove lilo, you can just do that |
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| 07:09.30 | Shtl | ok i will try |
| 07:09.34 | nsadmin | (not without a support contract :) |
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| 07:09.45 | Shtl | ???? |
| 07:09.51 | pipingcats | ! |
| 07:09.56 | flourish | nsadmin: sorry, but i cannot find the alpha driver :-( |
| 07:10.44 | nsadmin | need to go... bbl |
| 07:10.49 | phi| | Hi all, hopefully a simply-ish question. I've inherited a VPS running debian lenny with a mottly assortment of services installed and I'm wondering what's the best way to strip it back to basics and start from close to scratch, short of having it re-imaged? |
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| 07:11.31 | nsadmin | Shtl: give it a shot... it's just that I've never had good luck with that method; others have. |
| 07:12.13 | nsadmin | the only way I've had good luck is stage1 in the MBR which chainloads stage2 from sector 1 |
| 07:12.33 | nsadmin | never fails |
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| 07:13.17 | nsadmin | flourish: go into the section of the config the doc told you and enable the alpha drivers |
| 07:18.35 | TiMiDo | bla |
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| 07:23.20 | phi| | no ideas? |
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| 07:30.06 | uman | hmmm, I was asking in here earlier if there was a program that would print to stdout every program in the path |
| 07:30.10 | uman | there is such a program: dmenu_path |
| 07:30.14 | uman | part of dwm_tools in debian |
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| 07:31.00 | flourish | nsadmin: ^_^ still cannot find it, ;-O |
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| 07:38.38 | phi| | !deranged Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.doc |
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| 07:39.36 | Digii | what debian should i use if i want to use the latest versions of packeges? atleast mostly new =) testing? unstable? |
| 07:40.27 | nkuttler | Digii: use stable if you have to ask such questions |
| 07:42.03 | Digii | ... no why would i, i dont wanna go back to 2005 |
| 07:42.27 | uman | Digii: Fedora |
| 07:42.37 | uman | "using the latest version of packages" isn't really what Debian is about |
| 07:42.45 | Digii | i know that |
| 07:42.45 | uman | "having a rock-solid, well-tested, stable system" is |
| 07:42.52 | uman | Digii: then why are you wanting to run Debian? |
| 07:42.55 | Digii | but as late as debian comes |
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| 07:43.58 | uman | Digii: well, the most up-to-date packages are in Unstable |
| 07:44.03 | uman | actually, they're in experimental |
| 07:44.06 | uman | I think |
| 07:44.26 | uman | yeah, experimental |
| 07:44.29 | uman | but you don't want to run tghat |
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| 07:52.40 | tombs | any known problem with mic(skype) on debian? |
| 07:53.22 | nsadmin | tombs: /msg dpkg bts |
| 07:53.30 | SlayerXP | tombs: we know of one problem where it causes people to ask really vague questions. |
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| 07:57.59 | phi| | don't think it would have mattered if it was specific |
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| 07:59.04 | nsadmin | well he asked about known problems... and debian has a collection of thes |
| 07:59.30 | Guerin | known problem #1 with skype: it's not debian software |
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| 08:03.24 | nikhil | hello can any 1help to install NFS on debian 3.1 |
| 08:04.20 | nikhil | hello can any 1help to install NFS on debian 3.1? |
| 08:04.42 | caraconan | <nikhil> I'm your man |
| 08:04.50 | Guerin | nikhil: aptitude install nfs-common nfs-kernel-server |
| 08:04.52 | caraconan | At least at Debian lenny.... |
| 08:05.15 | Guerin | incidentally, anyone still using debian 3.1 in 2009 is failing at life |
| 08:05.53 | nikhil | Guerin, there are many dependencies |
| 08:06.21 | nikhil | Guerin, yes but i need to do it |
| 08:06.26 | nikhil | Guerin, pls help |
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| 08:07.14 | nsadmin | nikhil so... run the apt-get command he gave you |
| 08:07.33 | jnewt | Guerin: maybe he has been to busy with piles of money and beautiful women to upgrade his linux version..... |
| 08:07.46 | jnewt | :) |
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| 08:10.00 | nsadmin | or piles of women and beautiful money... |
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| 08:11.07 | jnewt | nsadmin: yeah, point being....well, you all get the point. |
| 08:11.31 | nsadmin | point being pointey! |
| 08:11.52 | jnewt | :) |
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| 08:12.14 | nsadmin | nikhil: so how's that going? |
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| 08:12.52 | nsadmin | jnewt or maybe anything past sarge wont' run on his machine |
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| 08:16.07 | nsadmin | flourish: btw why are you building the kernel? |
| 08:16.17 | yareckon | why is it called "GNU/Linux" anyway.....? |
| 08:16.30 | yareckon | just kidding.... good morning everybody!!!! :) |
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| 08:16.47 | nsadmin | !why gnu/linux |
| 08:17.28 | nsadmin | stallman insisted that if linux uses gnu tools, it should have gnu in the name |
| 08:17.51 | yareckon | good morning to you too nsadmin |
| 08:18.24 | nsadmin | back atcha |
| 08:18.38 | jnewt | nsadmin: linux IS good for cheap hardware |
| 08:19.02 | nsadmin | yes it is, but debian is cutting off support for old cpus |
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| 08:19.18 | tarzeau | nsadmin: wait wait |
| 08:19.23 | tarzeau | nsadmin: debian supports, what linux supports |
| 08:19.27 | jnewt | nsadmin: what does that mean....cutting off support. |
| 08:19.29 | tarzeau | nsadmin: it's linux who cut the support. not debian |
| 08:19.49 | tarzeau | jnewt: debian doesn't run on 80386 machines anymore, but that's because linux doesn't support it anymore |
| 08:19.54 | tarzeau | nsadmin: blame the right people |
| 08:19.58 | nsadmin | tarzeau: no, I think you can still build 386 kernels |
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| 08:20.19 | tarzeau | nsadmin: sure, YOU can do anything. but linux doesn't support it right away, you'll have to patch it |
| 08:20.20 | jnewt | tarzeau: can't you just download and "old" iso that does support it? |
| 08:20.31 | tarzeau | jnewt: sure, but will you get security support for it? |
| 08:20.42 | tarzeau | jnewt: besides, seriously, who wants to run taht old/slow crap anyways... |
| 08:21.00 | jnewt | the security support argument is a good one. |
| 08:21.14 | nsadmin | tarzeau: hence my "386 is ridiculous these days" comment |
| 08:21.16 | jnewt | your second one is not |
| 08:21.33 | nikhil | nsadmin, it also crying for more dependenceis |
| 08:22.02 | nsadmin | nikhil: so install them, or let apt-get do it. if you don't, it won't work |
| 08:22.22 | nsadmin | that's how debian works... |
| 08:22.48 | jnewt | i have just recently found myself in a situation where the new version of ubuntu doesn't support my graphics card with mythtv, hence i can't upgrade. |
| 08:22.51 | nsadmin | now if you want to do it yourself, you're more than welcome to... but you'll find you need other stuff |
| 08:22.55 | nikhil | nsadmin, my commnd is apt-get install nfs-common nfs-kernel-server . Is this right? |
| 08:23.02 | yopyop | Hello, i have problem with xlock/xscreenserver unlock with pam, i found a lot of thread on net with this error, but no one has the solution. it seems that it doesnt take care of pam config i submit |
| 08:23.14 | nsadmin | nikhil: that's what Guerin said, yes. |
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| 08:23.41 | nsadmin | which if you tried to run, you have it in your command history |
| 08:23.57 | anigel | Hi ; anyone here who could help me with apt pinning : I need to import a more recente kernel in lenny, but don't want to affect the whole system. |
| 08:24.20 | nsadmin | anigel: look at backports.org |
| 08:24.32 | nikhil | nsadmin, yes i know it's Guerin's command but it also doent work |
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| 08:24.51 | nsadmin | nikhil: why? |
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| 08:25.24 | tarzeau | nsadmin: the problem is debian/linux needs a lot more memory than your i386 computer has :) |
| 08:25.44 | nikhil | nsadmin, dont know why |
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| 08:26.00 | nsadmin | nikhil: what is it that doesn't work? |
| 08:26.00 | nikhil | nsadmin, any other way to dot it? if u have |
| 08:26.00 | tarzeau | aptitude or apt-get just needs a lot of memory, it's just not fun waiting minutes (or hours) to install a small package |
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| 08:26.33 | nikhil | nsadmin, it give following error nfs-common is already the newest version. |
| 08:26.34 | nikhil | You might want to run ‘apt-get -f install’ to correct these: |
| 08:26.34 | nikhil | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:26.34 | nikhil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:26.51 | nsadmin | tarzeau: I remember a kernel compile on a 386 taking 24 hours |
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| 08:27.08 | anigel | nsadmin: thanks, but backports are not the solution for me ; i really need to import a sid package |
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| 08:27.11 | nikhil | nsadmin, u got? |
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| 08:27.58 | nsadmin | anigel: have you looked at what's available? |
| 08:28.06 | nikhil | nsadmin, u got? |
| 08:28.21 | nsadmin | nikhil: probably it's better to use a pastebin |
| 08:28.40 | anigel | nsadmin: yes : the package I need is this one : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 08:28.42 | nsadmin | btw why do you run 3.1? are you planning on upgrading it? |
| 08:29.09 | nsadmin | anigel: which kernel version is that? |
| 08:29.16 | nikhil | nsadmin, i need it. it is my limitation to do it on 3.1 only |
| 08:29.50 | anigel | nsadmin: kernel "bigmem" from lenny is buggy on myproliant server ; i need to test its new version from sid |
| 08:30.13 | nsadmin | nikhil: what creates that limitation? |
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| 08:30.35 | nsadmin | anigel: and you've tried the ones available from backports? |
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| 08:30.53 | anigel | nsadmin: i'd like to avoid this solution and stay stuck on "official" packages |
| 08:31.44 | jnewt | why did nikhil get kicked? |
| 08:31.56 | nsadmin | sid isn't released (never will be) and is unstable... but you're more than welcome to try applying any solution you see fit |
| 08:31.58 | simonrvn | pasting crap... |
| 08:32.16 | jnewt | !paste |
| 08:32.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 08:32.22 | jnewt | ah |
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| 08:32.39 | nikhil | nsadmin, that is my server and i 'm not allowed to upgrade it |
| 08:32.59 | nsadmin | you're not allowed to upgrade your own server? |
| 08:33.09 | simonrvn | o_O wtf |
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| 08:35.30 | nsadmin | anigel: sid and squeeze kernels may or may not work under lenny |
| 08:35.54 | simonrvn | gambling with your system's sanity there... |
| 08:36.51 | anigel | nsadmin: i need to try :p |
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| 08:38.54 | nsadmin | anigel: the backported kernels are much more likely to work. in either case, you can't sue anyone over whether whether somethign works, which I take as part of your underlying tone... you seem to require a supported system, and neither sid nor squeeze has been released. |
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| 08:40.33 | nsadmin | in any case I'm pretty sure the backported kernels are at later versions than either sid or squeeze (or it was like that yesterday... could be lotsa movement, huh?) |
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| 08:41.15 | anigel | nsadmin: in fact i need a supported system, but this not a matter of time and i want to help the package maintainer : he asked me to test the sid version of the package, and if the test is concluant, he will probably backport the solution to lenny ; so I think this is a good idead to try it ;). |
| 08:42.07 | anigel | ls -lha /boot |
| 08:42.10 | nsadmin | oh, you didn't say you were in contact with the maint... that changes things a lot |
| 08:42.10 | anigel | oops :p |
| 08:42.37 | anigel | nsadmin: sorry xD in fact i was chatting on #debianfr : i probably forgot to mention it here ; sorry :( |
| 08:42.48 | simonrvn | sue? hahahah |
| 08:42.51 | anigel | nsadmin: i'm tired : working a lot :p |
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| 08:43.14 | nsadmin | I wish you said that earlier... I spent time and energy on something I didn't know was a bad path |
| 08:43.21 | simonrvn | /etc/motd > Debian comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. |
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| 08:43.35 | simonrvn | SooL there ;) |
| 08:44.08 | nsadmin | anigel: if you need a supported system, then it seems a support contract is in your future |
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| 08:45.28 | anigel | nsadmin: my dream... if one day we become rich and $$$-full :p |
| 08:46.14 | g00se | Do i have to write my own script to get info about backports (in sources.list) or can i do it with existing package man. software? |
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| 08:53.29 | anigel | nsadmin: OK, I managed to make the server boot with a more recent kenerl ; thanks for your help ! |
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| 08:54.11 | nsadmin | anigel: which one did you end up with? |
| 08:55.32 | anigel | linux-image-2.6.30-1-686-bigmem |
| 08:56.11 | nsadmin | where did that one come from? |
| 08:56.17 | anigel | this is very strange : the standard kernel from lenny works like a charm ; the same with "bigmem" on just fails to boot :) |
| 08:56.22 | anigel | nsadmin: officiel debian repos |
| 08:56.37 | nsadmin | so it's a lenny kernel? |
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| 08:57.14 | anigel | nsadmin: no, a sid kernel |
| 08:57.33 | anigel | nsadmin: I think the maintainer was willing to know if the problem had been solved in more recent kernels |
| 08:57.42 | anigel | which is the case :) |
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| 09:00.55 | nsadmin | what did you have to install other than the kernel to get that kernel installable? |
| 09:01.20 | anigel | nothing else : a kernel has no dependency |
| 09:02.09 | nsadmin | actually it does, to the module loading tools at least |
| 09:02.45 | nsadmin | which suggests those tools work on at least that range of kernels |
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| 09:02.54 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:03.23 | Devjos | hello gypsymauro |
| 09:03.43 | gypsymauro | I can't connect to ftp.it.debian.org 'cause is resolved as IPv6 address.. there is a way to get his IPv4 address ? (I'm totally new to ipv6) |
| 09:04.04 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:05.00 | christiaan | how can install this from perl |
| 09:05.08 | christiaan | Can't locate LWP/UserAgent.pm i |
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| 09:05.50 | nsadmin | liblwp-useragent-perl? |
| 09:06.09 | christiaan | its that ? |
| 09:06.33 | nsadmin | try it and see. I'm guessing based on perl module package names |
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| 09:06.43 | delcoyote | hi |
| 09:06.56 | christiaan | oki |
| 09:06.56 | christiaan | thnks |
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| 09:07.45 | Nom- | Hi all. This is hopefully a simple question to answer... I need to repackage up a control.tar.gz into a package so it can be added into a local repository. I was trying to use ar, but found a nice long thread describing how .deb's are ar's, but not compatable with GNU ar. Is there some way to manually package those up using debian tools? |
| 09:07.53 | themill | no, it's all in libwww-perl |
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| 09:08.05 | christiaan | dont find :s |
| 09:08.07 | christiaan | says obolete |
| 09:08.09 | christiaan | or are old |
| 09:08.21 | nsadmin | themill knows |
| 09:08.27 | nsadmin | try libwww-perl |
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| 09:08.51 | christiaan | Dont have candidate for install |
| 09:09.17 | nsadmin | what's your cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 09:09.17 | themill | judd versions libwww-perl |
| 09:09.18 | judd | themill: libwww-perl -- etch: 5.805-1 lenny: 5.813-1 sid: 5.820-1 sid: 5.829-1 squeeze: 5.829-1 |
| 09:09.24 | themill | it most certainly exists |
| 09:09.30 | mosno | from LWN: "Debian users who want a more current desktop distribution are encouraged to use the testing branch" |
| 09:09.55 | themill | mosno: not around here, they aren't |
| 09:10.02 | mosno | ...this is news to me; i thought non-devs were discouraged from using anything but stable |
| 09:10.37 | nsadmin | mosno: that's not the recommendation from debian maints... so at best, it's controvercial |
| 09:10.57 | nsadmin | consider the source, that's not debian talking |
| 09:11.14 | enouf | not only that - it says "Debian users" as in; familiar with debian ;-) |
| 09:11.15 | mosno | nsadmin: didn't think it would be. |
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| 09:12.22 | nsadmin | there are debian users who are not yet, which makes that an edge case |
| 09:13.24 | christiaan | so |
| 09:13.27 | christiaan | how can instal it? |
| 09:14.14 | nsadmin | christiaan what's your cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 09:14.50 | christiaan | 5.0.2 |
| 09:14.56 | christiaan | lol |
| 09:15.05 | nsadmin | ok, so you have latest lenny |
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| 09:15.24 | nsadmin | the package exists, perhaps your sources.list needs more stuff |
| 09:15.24 | nikhil | nsadmin, how to start nfsd in debian 3.1 |
| 09:15.25 | enouf | thinks someone lies |
| 09:15.43 | nikhil | nsadmin, i installed nfs-utils |
| 09:15.56 | nsadmin | nikhil and nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:15.57 | nsadmin | ? |
| 09:16.18 | christiaan | i can add more resources in for repos |
| 09:16.19 | nsadmin | maybe sarge doesn't have that... but you'll have to explore that part |
| 09:16.24 | nikhil | nsadmin, it also need to install? |
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| 09:18.15 | enouf | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko |
| 09:18.19 | enouf | heh |
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| 09:18.40 | nsadmin | so it does have it |
| 09:19.46 | christiaan | lol |
| 09:19.53 | christiaan | have dependence |
| 09:19.54 | nsadmin | nikhil: probably you need permission to upgrade your own server... 3.1 is not supported, it's way past its end-of-life and I just don |
| 09:19.59 | enouf | remember, sarge also offered the 2.4.27 ;-) |
| 09:20.00 | nsadmin | 't remember the details |
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| 09:20.05 | christiaan | of liburi-perl |
| 09:20.09 | christiaan | and another more |
| 09:20.44 | nsadmin | that was its official kernel wasnt' it? |
| 09:20.50 | nikhil | nsadmin, thank u for helping |
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| 09:21.33 | nsadmin | one more time... why are you not permitted to upgrade your own server? |
| 09:21.37 | ewet | hi, out of routine i have downloaded the kde version of debian without tasksel desktop until i realized how desolate kde really is. so i want to install gnome (i don't really). is there a way to change tasksel that way? |
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| 09:26.01 | simonrvn | i bet it isn't "his" |
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| 09:27.31 | christiaan | finished thanks for all nsadmin, nikhil, judd |
| 09:29.17 | nsadmin | christiaan: glad it worked out |
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| 09:29.35 | enouf | nsadmin: both were official, 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
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| 09:30.07 | nsadmin | ahh |
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| 09:32.45 | christiaan | thnks =)! |
| 09:32.48 | christiaan | have nice day ! |
| 09:32.54 | enouf | ewet: install openbox or something; apt-cache search x-window-manager |
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| 09:37.37 | dbbolton | aptitude is looking for updates on deb.opera.com but there is no such entry in my sources.list. where is this coming from? |
| 09:37.49 | enouf | but found a nice long thread describing how .deb's are ar's, but not compatable with GNU ar. |
| 09:37.56 | enouf | ugh |
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| 09:39.27 | nsadmin | enouf: that's ridiculous... debs are created using gnu ar, aren't they? |
| 09:40.25 | enouf | Nom-: "... but found a nice long thread describing how .deb's are ar's, but not compatable with GNU ar. ..." what thread? All i can tell you is .debs contain also a .dsc (and .diff?) file - see dpkg-src perhaps, and dh_make and friends |
| 09:40.42 | enouf | nsadmin: hence; ;-) |
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| 09:41.06 | themill | nsadmin: no, they're created by dpkg-deb |
| 09:41.20 | nsadmin | which does not call ar? |
| 09:41.52 | enouf | senses a strace on the way |
| 09:41.55 | themill | no. ar can extract debs just fine but to repack them you should use dpkg-deb. |
| 09:42.30 | themill | (.debs have a specific order of the components that ar(1) won't necessarily honour, amongst other differences) |
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| 09:49.22 | Nom- | I worked it out... you can unpack the .tar.gz's and use dpkg-deb -b |
| 09:49.25 | Nom- | thanks anyway :) |
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| 09:53.57 | cgegner | Hello. I'm having some issues getting a USB HD to automount at boot. Any stuff I should know to do this? |
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| 09:57.47 | yurikoles | !tell yurikole deb |
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| 10:02.43 | jnewt | i did a memory check and on address failed, do i need to replace the memory, or is there a tolarance for say 1 failure? |
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| 10:02.58 | jnewt | *and one address failed |
| 10:05.15 | nsadmin | there's probably not a tolerance (that is I don' |
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| 10:06.08 | nsadmin | t think the kernel does its own "surface scan" of the ram to determine bad spots and allocate around them |
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| 10:06.50 | drkwolf | what does an expression like this mean : *(char *)1 = '\xff'; |
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| 10:08.51 | nsadmin | (char *) says: "HEY COMPILER LISTEN UP! the next thing you see is some type, but you're going to ignore that, it's a pointer to a char" |
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| 10:09.48 | nsadmin | so, "make l seem like a pointer to a char, then put binary 11111111 at the place pointed to by l" |
| 10:09.56 | pixie | is it possible to add things in the menu in gnome like you do in fluxbox? like if i want aterm in the menu with a specific setting |
| 10:11.07 | nsadmin | pixie: if you add it to the debian menu system, then it's in all menus |
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| 10:11.38 | pixie | nsadmin: is that a config file somewhere or what? |
| 10:12.10 | nsadmin | probably, never pulled it apart myself |
| 10:12.31 | nsadmin | judd, versions menu |
| 10:12.32 | judd | nsadmin: menu -- etch: 2.1.33 lenny: 2.1.41 sid: 2.1.41 squeeze: 2.1.41 |
| 10:13.10 | pixie | I see :) |
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| 10:13.48 | nsadmin | in case you were wondering... there's a place /usr/share/doc/menu where you can find out more |
| 10:14.54 | pixie | thanks |
| 10:15.30 | nsadmin | there's this command you run afterward, update-menu |
| 10:15.48 | nsadmin | s |
| 10:15.55 | nsadmin | update-menus |
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| 10:17.09 | nsadmin | that writes out the menu system in whatever form necessary (for gnome, for kde, for flux, for text-based things even |
| 10:17.13 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 10:32.18 | dokma | Hey guys! How do I sort all files in a dir by size? |
| 10:33.03 | rysiek|pl | dokma: you don't. you can only *display* their names sorted by size |
| 10:33.18 | dokma | rysiek|pl: not just in the current dir. All files |
| 10:33.19 | dondelelcaro | dokma: ls -S |
| 10:33.28 | dokma | recursively |
| 10:33.34 | dondelelcaro | dokma: if you want all files sorted by size, use find + stat + sort |
| 10:33.50 | dokma | ok |
| 10:35.44 | dondelelcaro | dokma: something like find . -type f -printf '%s %p\n'|sort -nr |
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| 10:37.13 | dokma | dondelelcaro: that's what I've constructed as well |
| 10:37.26 | dokma | works great |
| 10:37.33 | dokma | find . -type f -exec stat -c '%s %n' {} \; | sort -nr |
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| 10:37.54 | dondelelcaro | dokma: yeah, just use -printf instead of stat; (it uses stat internally) |
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| 10:38.48 | dokma | I see... but gives same output right? |
| 10:38.48 | dokma | maybee some diff in speed |
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| 10:39.04 | dondelelcaro | dokma: yes, because you don't fork off a stat for every file. |
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| 10:43.29 | nikhil | how to configure server in debian ? pls help |
| 10:44.15 | KC | what kind of server? |
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| 10:45.47 | cusco | inset install cd and follow instructions :p |
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| 11:03.25 | dreamer | hi all, I just did a fresh install of phpmyadmin, but I can't figure out how to set the login-details |
| 11:03.30 | error4o4 | when i change the /etc/hosts file does it immediately take effect or do i hae to reload it somehow? |
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| 11:07.44 | nlindblad | Hi! Is it possible to retreive the install CD for Debian 4.0? I can't find it on the mirrors. I need to install Etch in order to try out an upgrade to Lenny. Thanks in advance! |
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| 11:08.47 | error4o4 | when resolving a domain, does the server look up /etc/hosts first or does it jump directly to the /etc/resolve.conf entries? |
| 11:09.27 | nlindblad | error4o4: /etc/hosts |
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| 11:10.41 | palop | hello |
| 11:10.59 | error4o4 | nlindblad: thx.. does changing its content imediatelly take effect? |
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| 11:12.57 | rysiek|pl | dreamer: what login details |
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| 11:13.42 | joltcan | error4o4: Yes, immediately |
| 11:13.45 | divad | error4o4: yes, it is checked every time |
| 11:14.24 | dreamer | rysiek|pl: I found how to reset the mysql-pw .. so n/m |
| 11:14.32 | rysiek|pl | :) |
| 11:17.14 | error4o4 | joltcan, divad: thx |
| 11:17.39 | divad | I'm testing disk quotas + exim/courier IMAP; I bring the disk usage over the quota and incoming messages are deferred with a "disk full" error, that's ok |
| 11:18.35 | divad | now I remove the quota, or increase it over the max for that user, and incoming messages can fo through exim again, but if I try to move messages from one folder to another on IMAP I get a "disk full" error |
| 11:19.21 | divad | any pointers? I'm not sure why courier still thinks the user is over the quota |
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| 11:25.48 | jelly | hm, lsof break when a process has 9k file descriptors open |
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| 11:26.58 | scream_ | sorry, had to say it |
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| 11:49.00 | jelly | scream_: well, it is! |
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| 11:51.31 | abrotman | jelly: try again |
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| 11:53.52 | jelly | abrotman: I tried many times. |
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| 11:54.18 | abrotman | i meant at the nicktab |
| 11:54.33 | qwerty_ | Hi |
| 11:54.44 | jelly | abrotman: oh... it wasn't a mistab |
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| 12:21.38 | neure | uh |
| 12:21.39 | neure | hello |
| 12:21.52 | AljosHa | hi |
| 12:21.54 | neure | i get this error: Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.de.debian.org' |
| 12:22.00 | neure | when i do apt-get update |
| 12:22.02 | neure | any ideas? |
| 12:22.12 | AljosHa | he cannot resolv that mirror |
| 12:22.13 | neure | oh damn |
| 12:22.15 | neure | now it worked |
| 12:22.19 | AljosHa | no big deal |
| 12:22.23 | neure | i tried like a few times |
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| 12:22.39 | AljosHa | are you /etc/resolv.conf setted up ? |
| 12:22.46 | AljosHa | you need to put nameservers where from you resolve there |
| 12:24.04 | neure | it used to work |
| 12:24.08 | neure | and it works again |
| 12:24.14 | AljosHa | try to host prichaonica.com |
| 12:24.16 | AljosHa | for example |
| 12:24.17 | AljosHa | do you get reply? |
| 12:24.18 | neure | it was temporary issue after all |
| 12:24.22 | AljosHa | type host prichaonica.com |
| 12:24.32 | AljosHa | maybe...ftp.de.debian.org to 141.76.2.4 but here works |
| 12:24.35 | neure | i got past it already |
| 12:24.43 | AljosHa | ok |
| 12:27.43 | abrotman | neure: does it work with nslookup ? |
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| 12:31.32 | neure | in which package is nslookup?) |
| 12:31.51 | azeem_ | neure: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:32.47 | neure | well |
| 12:32.58 | AljosHa | dnsutils ... |
| 12:32.59 | neure | i cant install nslookup since apt-get update is again broken |
| 12:33.05 | AljosHa | dload rpm |
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| 12:33.17 | AljosHa | .deb file from debian site |
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| 12:33.36 | neure | i only have deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main in my /etc/sources.list |
| 12:33.40 | abrotman | neure: doest host/dig/nslookup exist ? |
| 12:33.44 | neure | can I add something else there? |
| 12:33.45 | abrotman | erm .. does .. |
| 12:34.00 | AljosHa | lol |
| 12:34.01 | neure | abrotman, no/no/no |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | neure: if you're not resolving hostnames .. it won't matter what you add (unless you have a CD) |
| 12:34.07 | AljosHa | you cannot have content from this site there in file |
| 12:34.12 | AljosHa | yes |
| 12:34.18 | AljosHa | true |
| 12:34.21 | abrotman | neure: not a single one of those? how did you install debian ? |
| 12:34.39 | neure | i used to work |
| 12:34.45 | neure | i dont know why it doesnt work now |
| 12:34.47 | abrotman | then you should have one of those programs |
| 12:36.27 | nlindblad | Sorry to repeat my question, but: Is there any mirrored copy of the Etch installation CD? |
| 12:36.33 | nlindblad | I need it for testinga 4.0 => 5.0 migration |
| 12:36.42 | abrotman | !tell nlindblad about cd archive |
| 12:37.51 | nlindblad | Thans abrotman |
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| 12:40.35 | oliva | hi there ... is it necessary to write the password in clear in the fstab to mount a samba filesystem? |
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| 12:43.03 | asg | oliva: no, you can load the credentials from a file |
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| 12:48.34 | compilerwriter | I've run into a spot of trouble with the 5.02 kde installation cd. Whilst picking packages and software that step failed the md5sums matched on the downloaded file so I know that I didn't have a download problem. Any ideas? |
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| 12:50.28 | edoreld | I have a self signed certicate ( a couple of files were created in the server -> *.pem & *.key) Now I want to "transfer" the certificate to a client so it can connect to the server directly (Without saying (Connect to untrusted site?)) I believe I have to copy the files on the server to some directory in the client, but I'm not sure where... |
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| 12:51.18 | lars_bauer | Hey can't start MySQL due to this error. /usr/sbin/mysqld: /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/mysqld) |
| 12:51.38 | themill | lars_bauer: work out why you've got stuff in /usr/local and you'll solve that problem |
| 12:51.45 | nkuttler | edoreld: you need a real certificate for that |
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| 12:52.23 | edoreld | nkuttler: even if both machines are on my local network? |
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| 12:52.59 | nkuttler | edoreld: you need a cert signed by a ca if you want regular visitors not to see the warning |
| 12:53.22 | nkuttler | edoreld: it's possible to become a self-signed CA though and upload that cert to all clients that visit the site.. |
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| 12:53.29 | edoreld | nkuttler: it's not a public page, it's a private page only to be seen by local network users |
| 12:54.14 | nkuttler | edoreld: http://www.eclectica.ca/howto/ssl-cert-howto.php should cover that |
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| 12:54.45 | edoreld | nkuttler: much appreciated \(^_^)/ |
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| 12:56.05 | fluxdude | apart from apparentely being able to handle dependencies better, why is aptitude better than apt-get? |
| 12:56.12 | fluxdude | and when did that come about? |
| 12:56.12 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 12:56.13 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 12:56.36 | fluxdude | themill: thx |
| 12:56.44 | themill | fluxdude: that last point is particularly relevant if you're running sid or doing crazy release mixing |
| 12:56.58 | fluxdude | when did this change though, I remember that apt-get used to be the thing... |
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| 12:59.40 | compilerwriter | The second time through selecting the sofware seems to have done it. grub is being installed now. |
| 12:59.55 | compilerwriter | scratches head pondering why the hiccup in the first run? |
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| 13:01.18 | oliva | asg: but credential need to be written in clear? |
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| 13:02.51 | Zharf | how the hell do I permanently disable alsa beep crap (with intel hda at least) |
| 13:02.52 | abrotman | fluxdude: when did what change? |
| 13:02.59 | abrotman | !bell |
| 13:02.59 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>. |
| 13:03.10 | Zharf | abrotman, no those don't help |
| 13:03.16 | Zharf | abrotman, the beep is in alsa |
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| 13:03.34 | noon | could anyone tell me what the current version of iceweasel is? i am currently on xubuntu but am thinking of doing a debian install because of old machine specs. i was curious with the release of firefox 3.5 where iceweasel stands |
| 13:03.53 | Zharf | I don't have snd-pcsp loaded |
| 13:04.11 | abrotman | noon: in which version of debian? |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 13:04.31 | judd | abrotman: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 experimental: 3.5-1 |
| 13:04.32 | noon | abrotman: i figured on going with the latest stable lenny |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | noon: but they do backport security fixes |
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| 13:06.22 | abrotman | noon: does that answer your question? |
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| 13:07.16 | noon | abrotman: yes thankyou. |
| 13:07.31 | compilerwriter | Can one reach a console buy doing CTR-ALT-Fsomething like with ubuntu? |
| 13:07.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:08.54 | compilerwriter | abrotman: that was a yes to my question? |
| 13:08.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:09.39 | craigevil | actually exp has iceweasel 3.5.1-1 for amd64 and for a couple others but not i386 so far |
| 13:09.46 | compilerwriter | abrotman: I have just done a fresh install from the kde cd and kdm loaded and asked for my password, but sofar no desktop. any ideas? |
| 13:10.08 | abrotman | need more details |
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| 13:11.28 | compilerwriter | what more do you need? abrotman |
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| 13:13.32 | asg | oliva: yes but they can be secured in a file in /root |
| 13:14.10 | fluxdude | abrotman: when did aptitude replace apt-get as the preferred pkg mgmt tool? |
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| 13:14.43 | asg | !why aptitude |
| 13:14.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:14.44 | fluxdude | I remember using apt-get for years, and nowadays it's all aptitude |
| 13:14.55 | fluxdude | asg: yeah I read that bit earlier |
| 13:15.02 | fluxdude | just wondering when this came about... |
| 13:15.10 | fluxdude | ie when aptitude overtook apt-get |
| 13:15.56 | nkuttler | etch release iirc |
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| 13:16.59 | compilerwriter | abrotman: I have logged in on F2 and when I tried startx it told me that x was already active for display 0. So I guess the x server is running. |
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| 13:17.17 | compilerwriter | abrotman: what else should I look into? |
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| 13:20.47 | ajavid | good morning |
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| 13:22.04 | cusco | hi |
| 13:22.16 | cusco | I have been looking at debmirror, apt-proxy apt-cacher etc.. |
| 13:22.28 | cusco | I don't know what is ebst to use |
| 13:22.52 | cusco | we got several machines at work and not much bandwidth |
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| 13:23.20 | cusco | so I was thinking, one machine apt-upgrades daily, and all others use them packages |
| 13:23.28 | weldan_ | how do i get people to review package i created? |
| 13:23.56 | abrotman | compilerwriter: which video card ? |
| 13:24.02 | abrotman | weldan_: to go into debian ? |
| 13:24.18 | abrotman | cusco: so use something like apt-proxy |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | fluxdude: two releases ago maybe ? |
| 13:24.36 | weldan_ | abrotman: yes |
| 13:24.40 | compilerwriter | Nvidia GeForce MX 420 |
| 13:25.04 | abrotman | !tell weldan_ about mentors |
| 13:25.11 | weldan_ | thanks abrotman |
| 13:25.12 | abrotman | compilerwriter: using the nvidia binary drivers or nv ? |
| 13:25.17 | compilerwriter | Do I need to do some editing in console now to install nvidia. I have lsorensens tutorial up and ready if needs be. |
| 13:25.32 | fluxdude | cusco: I tried a few of those, eventually just used squid |
| 13:25.43 | compilerwriter | I don't which drivers I am using. I am using whatever got installed from the cd. |
| 13:26.03 | ajavid | more than likely vesa or nv |
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| 13:26.18 | ajavid | you can find out from the xorg log file |
| 13:26.23 | ajavid | compilerwriter, /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 13:29.58 | EugenMayer | can i install pear / pecl under debian for php ? |
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| 13:30.25 | stew | EugenMayer: yes, in the php-pear package |
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| 13:31.01 | EugenMayer | tahnnk you |
| 13:31.15 | acu | How can I see all programs installed in Lenny ? |
| 13:31.17 | stew | youu'er welcome |
| 13:31.36 | stew | acu: what do you mean by programs? do you mean packages? executables? |
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| 13:31.45 | acu | packages |
| 13:31.48 | twobitsprite | for some reason certain things are taking a very long time to run on my debian system... top shows nothing using CPU or a lot of RAM, but things like "man foo" take minutes to do anything... |
| 13:31.52 | stew | acu: aptitude search '~i' |
| 13:32.02 | twobitsprite | also, when logging in on SSH, it takes minutes for it to prompt me for a password |
| 13:32.11 | twobitsprite | any ideas how to troubleshoot this? |
| 13:32.42 | acu | how can I save that configuration so when I install again I do not need to do it one by one - rather to point to that generated list ? |
| 13:32.46 | stew | twobitsprite: run "vmstat 1" in one window, and in another run "man foo", when that finishes the rendering, stop the vmstat with ctrl-c, then paste to us what was coming out of vmstat ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:32.57 | stew | acu: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 13:33.56 | twobitsprite | stew: ok, I'm running it.. not sure how long it will take, sometimes it takes a long timwe |
| 13:34.24 | stew | twobitsprite: if you want to just show us the first 30 seconds of vmstat output, I'd hope that was enough |
| 13:36.19 | twobitsprite | hmm... looks like it's going to be slow copying the file via smb too... :( |
| 13:37.48 | stew | no web access on that machine? |
| 13:37.48 | twobitsprite | no X |
| 13:37.48 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 13:37.48 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 13:37.48 | twobitsprite | I'll try sftp |
| 13:38.18 | stew | isn't there a port you can pipe to with nc? |
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| 13:38.44 | twobitsprite | grah..... even tab completion is very slow... |
| 13:38.52 | twobitsprite | I'm trying to install elinks... |
| 13:39.56 | twobitsprite | now aptitude is stuck at "0% [Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org]" :( |
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| 13:40.27 | twobitsprite | something is very messed up |
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| 13:42.29 | twobitsprite | ok... aptitude came back "could not resolve us.ftp.debian.org" |
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| 13:44.03 | xk | twobitsprite: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:44.27 | twobitsprite | yeah, I'm on in |
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| 13:46.13 | twobitsprite | hm... I think I'm on to something |
| 13:46.34 | twobitsprite | I just remembered I have NFS mounts in my PATH and MANPATH |
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| 13:51.00 | twobitsprite | look like a reboot fixed it... I wish I knew what was wrong |
| 13:51.51 | twobitsprite | probably something about my NFS mounts going weird... |
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| 14:12.04 | _abbenormal | hello all |
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| 14:12.47 | _abbenormal | ? about using debian kernel files and linking them when making new kernels |
| 14:13.18 | _abbenormal | what is needed for files to make a debain kernel |
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| 14:14.57 | _abbenormal | i have folders and source opened kernel-patches linux-headers-2.6.30-1-686 linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common linux-kbuild-2.6.30 linux-source-2.6.30 linux-support-2.6.30-1 |
| 14:15.27 | EmleyMoor | _abbenormal: Do you need to build your own kernel? |
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| 14:16.21 | _abbenormal | no but need to link the compiler and for some reason its not finding it |
| 14:16.31 | _abbenormal | hi EmleyMoor |
| 14:16.54 | _abbenormal | sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux/compiler.h /usr/include/linux/compiler.h this what im trying to do |
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| 14:17.36 | EmleyMoor | _abbenormal: Why do you need to do that? What is it you are trying to do? |
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| 14:18.06 | _abbenormal | trying to compile a program called vdr |
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| 14:18.48 | _abbenormal | this is the error /usr/src/DVB/linux/include/linux/videodev2.h:64:28: error: linux/compiler.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:19.36 | EmleyMoor | Why are you compiling? It's packaged |
| 14:19.56 | _abbenormal | not the develop version |
| 14:20.20 | _abbenormal | vdr -1.7.8 |
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| 14:21.44 | acu | hey guys - I want to save a list of all my installed packages - so when I reinstall I can recall that file and install everything in one go instead of going one by one |
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| 14:24.37 | cpenas | acu, dpkg --get-selections / dpkg --set-selections & apt-get upgrade -f |
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| 14:25.29 | _abbenormal | thanks ill hang around a bit im going to try the vanilla kernel again been having issue using it and forcedeth driver and network loading back up proper |
| 14:27.24 | twobitsprite | is there a way to control network manager from commandline instead of the gnome/kde widgets? |
| 14:28.32 | _abbenormal | yes use if command or ip commands |
| 14:29.07 | _abbenormal | sorry that not manger its using command line to work with the network setup |
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| 14:30.36 | _abbenormal | twobitsprite, here is some info on ip stuff its whats replacing if commands http://tuxtraining.com/2008/04/12/ip-command-cheat-sheet |
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| 14:31.41 | _abbenormal | this may be of some help also http://www.policyrouting.org/iproute2.doc.html#ss9.1.1 |
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| 14:33.33 | twobitsprite | thanks _abbenormal, but I mean more like how do you get the wifi functionality of network-manager without the GUI... like automatically connecting to one of several networks, etc |
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| 14:33.46 | Zmanu | hello |
| 14:34.06 | Zmanu | when i do /etc/init.d/mysql start i have this message => Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. <= what is the problem ? i ask on mysql they say problem is debian not mysql |
| 14:34.53 | _abbenormal | thats a different command line info that your looking for wireless command lines |
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| 14:35.01 | _abbenormal | let me look |
| 14:35.07 | Esine | Zmanu maybe it's just checking for them, it doesn't mean there are tables that are corrupt |
| 14:35.10 | stew | Zmanu: nothing is the problem. Its telling you that its just doing some routine checks to make sure there aren't problems |
| 14:35.11 | Esine | it's an extra precaution |
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| 14:35.47 | Esine | they should add something like "None found!" in the init script so as not to make people worried |
| 14:36.27 | stew | Esine: where would this "None found!" message go? |
| 14:36.34 | Esine | stdout? :) |
| 14:36.48 | helo | how do i get all thumb drives (assumming no more than one at a time is used) to be mounted at a particular location? |
| 14:36.48 | stew | Esine: there is no stdout |
| 14:36.57 | helo | to be auto-mounted, that is |
| 14:37.04 | Esine | I mean now it says "Checking for tables .." right? So why not add more information after that when the checks are done? |
| 14:37.06 | _abbenormal | twobitsprite, try here remember some command line stuff in the how 2 on this page http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 14:37.25 | helo | ahh, ivman... |
| 14:37.32 | stew | Esine: becuase the checks are happening in another process, in the background, with no attached tty |
| 14:37.33 | Esine | stew: I'm not sure I follow. I was talking about the /etc/init.d/ script that prints the message. Sometimes you need to run it manually |
| 14:37.55 | Esine | stew: are you saying the checking process doesn't have a return value? |
| 14:37.58 | stew | Esine: the init.d script is telling you that it is starting some long running background process (that might take minutes or longer) |
| 14:38.08 | stew | Esine: no |
| 14:38.17 | Esine | Well, maybe patch it to do so. |
| 14:38.23 | stew | Esine: to do what? |
| 14:38.44 | Esine | .. to make it return a value so the init script can know whether something was wrong or not.. or make the utility output something nice |
| 14:38.45 | stew | Esine: you mean that when you boot up, you want to actually wait for this process to finish? |
| 14:38.54 | Esine | hm |
| 14:39.03 | Esine | is it a separate process from the mysql daemon? |
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| 14:39.24 | Esine | it would just be useful to know if something is wrong or not |
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| 14:39.51 | Esine | I mean what if you got a message "Checking if your wise is dead..." but it wouldn't say anything after that |
| 14:39.58 | Esine | you'd expect it to output something, is she alive? is she dead? |
| 14:40.02 | stew | Esine: where do you want this message to go? |
| 14:40.11 | helo | if i plug in one thumb drive, and it is /dev/sdc, then i unplug it and plug in another, will it likely be /dev/sdc or /dev/sdd? |
| 14:40.13 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi, I was googling about debian and the E6500 Dell's laptop, I found some issues about debian's installation and networking devices, do you know if it still happening in the latest netinstall versions? |
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| 14:40.20 | Esine | from the users point of view, same place as the "checking.." message, stew. |
| 14:40.49 | stew | Esine: ok, and you are ok with your bootup process taking potentially 20 times as long, since we have to wait for this process to finish now? |
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| 14:41.00 | stew | actually, i guess much longer |
| 14:41.02 | Esine | Oh I see what you're saying there |
| 14:41.04 | sylar | I have some user owned processes that I can't kill not even as root |
| 14:41.10 | sylar | what's going on? |
| 14:41.13 | Zmanu | Esine: stew ok thanks for answers |
| 14:41.16 | Esine | so you're actually putting it in the background |
| 14:41.39 | Esine | that's a bit problematic |
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| 14:42.02 | justin | Esine: there is no problem. |
| 14:42.37 | |Shadowcat| | anyone know the key strength of the automatically generated keys for openssh-server? |
| 14:42.47 | |Shadowcat| | or is there just a man page here that I haven't read? |
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| 14:43.01 | acu | if I want to remove kstars it wants to remove kde - how can I uninstall only kstars ? |
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| 14:44.25 | stew | acu: aptitude unmarkauto '~i~Rkde' |
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| 14:45.02 | stew | acu: (then remove kstars), it will remove the kde package perhaps, but it won't take many other packages with it. note that the package named "kde" doesn't actually provide any functionality |
| 14:45.03 | nsadmin | what units are key strength measured in? |
| 14:45.27 | Esine | he probably meant the cipher and key length in bits |
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| 14:45.48 | nsadmin | oh... isn't kde a metapackage |
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| 14:46.18 | stew | |Shadowcat|: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 14:46.28 | pozic | When I run gedit as root in a user-session I get: (gedit:24040): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 14:46.33 | |Shadowcat| | stew: thanks |
| 14:46.44 | pozic | Since when can root not do anything anymore? |
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| 14:46.54 | stew | pozic: since never? |
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| 14:47.05 | stew | !wayttd |
| 14:47.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 14:47.08 | nsadmin | pozic: because the x server is not running as root |
| 14:47.19 | Esine | pozic: you need to use xhost as the user you're running X server as to allow access for other users |
| 14:47.20 | nsadmin | it's running as a plain user |
| 14:47.29 | stew | nsadmin: what? |
| 14:47.40 | stew | nsadmin: an x server running as root would have a hard time talking to hardware |
| 14:47.41 | pozic | nsadmin: I am pretty sure the X server runs as root. |
| 14:47.42 | nsadmin | no, he needs to ssh to root |
| 14:47.47 | stew | nsadmin: err, not running |
| 14:47.52 | justin | Esine: fail. nsadmin fail. |
| 14:47.52 | |Shadowcat| | right, so 2048, secure enough I guess |
| 14:47.57 | stew | oh |
| 14:48.01 | Esine | well duh, it was oversimplification |
| 14:48.04 | stew | pozic: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 14:48.06 | sparse | Hi debian users, I need to use my debian dvd iso as repository, so I mounted it with -o loop and added with apt-cdrom and modified /etc/apt/apt.conf but it still asks for cdrom insertion, could anyone verify for me the /etc/apt/apt.conf, please? |
| 14:48.08 | stew | i miseed the question |
| 14:48.08 | Esine | of course the X runs setuid root, but that's beside the point |
| 14:48.23 | acu | hey guys - I want to save a list of all my installed packages - so when I reinstall I can recall that file and install everything in one go instead of going one by one |
| 14:48.30 | Esine | It's like saying you're logged in as some particular user, when in fact the computer you're on is running directly on top of the hardware! |
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| 14:48.33 | stew | acu: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 14:49.00 | pozic | stew: is thera also a way to configure that globally? |
| 14:49.01 | Esine | anyvay pozic, if you want to allow everyone to use your xserver: xhost + |
| 14:49.11 | Esine | (although that allows users from remote places as well) |
| 14:49.15 | pozic | Esine: I just want _root_ to be able to do everything. |
| 14:49.21 | pozic | Esine: not everyone else. |
| 14:49.26 | Esine | man xhost |
| 14:49.27 | nsadmin | the thing is, setuid aside, if X is started as a user other than root, it will by default prevent other users from connecting to the x server. |
| 14:49.31 | stew | Esine: no, neveer use xhost |
| 14:49.37 | Esine | why not? |
| 14:49.41 | pozic | xhost is insecure. |
| 14:49.42 | nsadmin | xhost + is too open |
| 14:49.46 | justin | !+xhost |
| 14:49.46 | dpkg | well, xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 14:49.51 | stew | Esine: becuase its a huge gaping security nightmare |
| 14:49.55 | nsadmin | ssh to the root acct |
| 14:50.04 | Esine | so why can't you allow only root from localhost to use your x server? |
| 14:50.04 | stew | no need |
| 14:50.06 | nsadmin | and run the root stuff there |
| 14:50.12 | stew | Esine: you can, but you can't with xhost |
| 14:50.15 | justin | stew: it isn't as bad as it used to be since debian stopped having X listen on TCP years ago |
| 14:50.20 | nsadmin | Esine: you can, by sshing to it |
| 14:50.28 | Esine | sshing to local host.. great |
| 14:50.41 | stew | justin: its just as bad for multi-user systems, and there is no need for it, you just need to use xauth to move a cookie to an account you want to have access |
| 14:50.43 | pozic | stew: how can I enable root to do anything under whatever user-session is currently active? |
| 14:50.51 | d1b | hi i'm trying to find documentation on linux users group, im debating to put all users in a group called 'users' id 100, does this group have an important use / any issues with using it? |
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| 14:50.55 | stew | pozic: /msg dpkg run stuff as root ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 14:50.58 | nsadmin | the reason that works, is the x server is run under ssh-agent |
| 14:50.59 | d1b | (trying to find the manual) |
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| 14:51.04 | _abbenormal | why not use vnc and use sudo and only use root as needed |
| 14:51.08 | justin | stew: if you're lazy you can actually just set the XAUTHORITY env var to the users file |
| 14:51.09 | pozic | stew: but that requires me to run a command every time. |
| 14:51.23 | stew | justin: yes, i've pointed him at that at least twice now |
| 14:51.25 | stew | pozic: no, it doesn't |
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| 14:51.29 | justin | pozic: do yourself a favor and install sudo and use sudoedit |
| 14:51.38 | pozic | I hate sudo. |
| 14:51.50 | stew | pozic: if you want to go the XAUTHORITY route, you can add something to root's DotFiles ; if you want to use xauth, you only have to do it once |
| 14:52.07 | Esine | btw pozic, why are you running a GUI program as root? |
| 14:52.34 | pozic | Esine: synaptic |
| 14:52.46 | nsadmin | pozic: you're complaining a lot here when you discover how things work... |
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| 14:52.54 | boulbul | hello, i have a debian x60 with debian lenny on it...I want to get my modem working for receive faxes...how can I do that...I looked on the net but could not find any feasible solution..thanks for your help |
| 14:53.05 | mischief | pozic, you could just use aptitude. :D |
| 14:53.18 | Esine | or apt-cache and apt-get |
| 14:53.21 | nsadmin | tell ya what... read man X and complain to yourself about how it works |
| 14:53.22 | pozic | mischief: synaptic has better usability. |
| 14:53.32 | pozic | nsadmin: ? |
| 14:53.44 | pozic | Esine: what makes you think I don't know those packages? |
| 14:53.45 | LoloftheRings | hi all, gdebi is doing strange after a fresh installation of lenny. from command line, I get this error: |
| 14:53.45 | LoloftheRings | gksu: unrecognized option `--always-ask-pass' |
| 14:53.45 | LoloftheRings | GKsu version 2.0.0 |
| 14:53.45 | LoloftheRings | Usage: gksu [-u <user>] [options] <command> |
| 14:53.45 | LoloftheRings | #other help info |
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| 14:54.06 | Esine | hm? they were suggestions so you don't have to use a clumsy GUI |
| 14:54.08 | sylar | Is it possible to kill someone a process with STAT=D ? |
| 14:54.33 | pozic | Esine: if you know the exact package name, CLI is better, otherwise GUI, imho. |
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| 14:54.46 | mischief | pozic, you're mad |
| 14:54.51 | Esine | well that depends.. apt-cache search is quite handy |
| 14:54.54 | mischief | pozic, aptitude is excellent |
| 14:55.01 | nsadmin | sylar mind rephrasing that without looking like you want to kill someone? :) |
| 14:55.04 | pozic | mischief: ok, fine, I am mad :) |
| 14:55.15 | acu | on the console many of the commands are kept in a history - where can I get that all |
| 14:55.27 | Esine | acu: type "history" |
| 14:55.28 | mischief | acu, history |
| 14:55.37 | stew | acu: in ~/.bash_history (assuming you are using bash) |
| 14:55.45 | sylar | nsadmin, I am sylar, you know ;) |
| 14:56.24 | nsadmin | sylar: yes, I know that |
| 14:56.29 | acu | great - I got the history - but how I save it ? |
| 14:56.45 | Esine | history > history.txt |
| 14:57.17 | nsadmin | sylar: you wrote something difficult to parse that starts "is it possible to kill someone" |
| 14:57.27 | acu | you guys know everything |
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| 14:57.37 | nsadmin | I just figured you might want to rephrase that :) |
| 14:57.40 | acu | (that's not a question) |
| 14:57.48 | pozic | I read those dpkg entries, but I don't see how they solve the problem that I specified: being able to run X applications while in the user-session. |
| 14:58.07 | sylar | nsadmin, ok |
| 14:58.11 | pozic | (without specifying all those commands every single time) |
| 14:58.28 | nsadmin | pozic: try it... fire up a terminal and do ssh root@localhost |
| 14:58.34 | pozic | I just want to do su <input password>; gedit and see it work. |
| 14:58.34 | sylar | Is it possible to kill a process with 'ps aux' STAT=D ? |
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| 14:59.00 | nsadmin | no, su won't work without other arrangement |
| 14:59.15 | pozic | I am sure that it did work a few years ago. |
| 14:59.29 | sparse | pozic: Well, maybe I missed some lines, but to get out of misunderstanding, try aptitude wihtout parameters or switches, you will see how good it is |
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| 14:59.39 | pozic | sparse: I know aptitude. |
| 14:59.54 | pozic | sparse: I just don't like it. |
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| 15:00.45 | sparse | poic you generally prefer GUI? |
| 15:00.52 | nsadmin | what is D stat anyway? |
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| 15:01.30 | pozic | sparse: I am an Emacs user and I can use VIM too. |
| 15:01.42 | nsadmin | pozic: most likely a few years ago you made some kind of arrangement |
| 15:01.42 | pozic | sparse: my IRC client is irssi. |
| 15:01.57 | Esine | so, stew, I am not understanding what is so wrong with xhost local:root |
| 15:02.01 | sparse | pozic: then what is wrong with aptitude from your point |
| 15:02.10 | Esine | then later when you don't need it xhost -local:root |
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| 15:02.43 | sparse | pozic: not trying to argue, just curious |
| 15:02.53 | pozic | sparse: quite simply, with synaptic I don't have to remember _anything_. |
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| 15:03.09 | nsadmin | Esine: other, better, arrangements have been made, again involving ssh-agent running the x server |
| 15:03.17 | pozic | sparse: I don't like to administrate a machine. |
| 15:03.25 | sparse | pozic: you do not like those few commands? |
| 15:03.29 | stew | Esine: are you sure "local:root" is valid? |
| 15:03.34 | keith4 | udev makes my DVD drive /dev/dvd1, which causes things like mplayer to not find my DVD drive. how do I make it show up as /dev/dvd? |
| 15:03.37 | stew | Esine: "local contains only one name, the empty string" |
| 15:03.37 | Esine | stew: I chekced the man page and tried it -- it works |
| 15:03.39 | sparse | pozic: so you are more user? |
| 15:03.40 | Esine | yes |
| 15:03.53 | stew | Esine: does your manpage differ from mine which says the only valid name is the empty string? |
| 15:04.02 | Esine | hmm |
| 15:04.27 | Esine | I see |
| 15:04.27 | nsadmin | pozic: unfortunately that's unrealistic... you have to admin your own machine, and you do so to get it the way it is now |
| 15:04.29 | pozic | sparse: I use a computer for a lot of purposes. |
| 15:04.31 | Esine | it appears I was wrong |
| 15:04.49 | pozic | sparse: I also write patches for some software available in Debian. |
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| 15:05.12 | Esine | xhost local: then, but it has the disadvantage that anyone with local user account can now connect your X server. Might not be a problem in single user desktop setups |
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| 15:05.48 | nsadmin | unless the box is compromised |
| 15:05.53 | sparse | sparse: I still do not get what you dislike about aptitude, you seem to be at least advanced user in debian and programmer, you must be also skilled somehow in administration, so what is wrong? |
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| 15:06.16 | sparse | eh, sorry that was for pozic |
| 15:06.27 | nsadmin | sparse: he has preferences |
| 15:06.52 | nsadmin | you seem to be taking this argument: if you're smart, you like aptitude |
| 15:07.06 | stew | Esine: it doesn't work for me, it allows connections from any local user after "xhost local:root" |
| 15:07.10 | sparse | nsadmin: yes, I see that is not problem for me, I just am curious about resons for it, no offence |
| 15:07.14 | Esine | nsadmin: if someone had root access to the computer, I'm sure I'd have more problems than worrying about my X server |
| 15:07.20 | LoloftheRings | Hi all, when running gdebi-gtk with a normal user account, it returns me this message from command line: gksu: unrecognized option `--always-ask-pass' (... help options...) |
| 15:07.21 | Esine | yes stew ^ |
| 15:07.31 | Esine | it appears I misread and was wrong |
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| 15:07.52 | stew | LoloftheRings: what versions of gdebi-gtk and gksu do you have installed? |
| 15:07.57 | sparse | I really do now want to push him to aptitude, I really am curious |
| 15:08.06 | boulbul | can any one please help me setup my modem on my ibm x60 debian lenny please |
| 15:08.13 | LoloftheRings | gdebi: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1 |
| 15:08.17 | SeicherlBoB | I have several external USB HDDs used for systembackups. I want them to mount automatically when they are plugged in to use a cronjob for the backup. Can I use udev rules to assign more than 1 device the same node name? and how can i let them automount on plugin? I only read about gnome-stuff for automount but there must be an easier way (tty only) |
| 15:08.26 | LoloftheRings | gksu 2.0.0 |
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| 15:09.01 | nsadmin | sparse: do now want? |
| 15:09.03 | stew | LoloftheRings: i'd check http://bugs.debian.org/gdebi and if there is no related bug filed, file one |
| 15:09.13 | LoloftheRings | stew, ill take a look |
| 15:09.15 | _abbenormal | ok boulbul have you looked around in google yet |
| 15:09.21 | sparse | nsadmin: sorry? |
| 15:09.41 | stew | LoloftheRings: oh, its there already, #493352 ; check that bug report and see if there is a workaround |
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| 15:09.45 | nsadmin | you really do now want to push him to aptitude? |
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| 15:09.57 | LoloftheRings | stew, ok, thanks |
| 15:10.01 | nsadmin | I'm guessing s/now/not/ |
| 15:10.02 | cvsup | somebody have installed pam_ldap? |
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| 15:10.12 | nsadmin | but maybe you do :) |
| 15:10.16 | cvsup | i have found error when try login |
| 15:10.29 | cvsup | Jul 21 12:01:36 server su[7231]: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure; logname=suporte uid=1000 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=suporte rhost= user=peixoto |
| 15:10.29 | cvsup | Jul 21 12:01:36 server su[7231]: pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server |
| 15:10.38 | Esine | cvsup: I use pam_ldap with an ldap<->ad proxy with about 20 servers |
| 15:10.51 | sparse | nsadmin: OH, sorry a typo :) do ... not is correct |
| 15:11.19 | Esine | cvsup: well, it appears it can't contact the server, meaning there may be a firewall in between, ldap server not running, hostname/ip wrong... |
| 15:11.39 | boulbul | _abbenormal: yes, I did.... |
| 15:12.00 | boulbul | -abbenormal: I could not find anything that have made sense to me |
| 15:12.30 | cvsup | Esine i found the erro |
| 15:12.32 | cvsup | error |
| 15:12.34 | cvsup | thanks |
| 15:12.37 | sparse | nsadmin: you know, I know many people using debian or ubuntu, some of them like synaptic, but those either like GUI absolutely or are beginners that do nto need to much with it, all others I met liked aptitude and if not, they liked to be introduced to it as it is very effective and nice tool, so I am curious :) |
| 15:12.40 | Esine | ok. what was it, cvsup? |
| 15:12.45 | _abbenormal | ok so the driver is not loaded or missing or there is not a driver out for it yet or you have not tried ndswrapper and a windows driver yet |
| 15:13.02 | Esine | do you use ldaps? |
| 15:13.16 | _abbenormal | or found a fax software package to see or use it |
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| 15:13.24 | cvsup | the error was ssl on in pam_ldap.conf |
| 15:13.35 | Esine | ah :) |
| 15:14.08 | nsadmin | sparse: and so here you find someone that doesn't fit what you've perceived, and that makes you curious |
| 15:14.19 | thrashold | I configured my exim to be a smart host with `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' and still I receive no mail send with the mail command. Is there any HOWTO on how to do it? |
| 15:14.27 | sparse | sparse: yes, definitely |
| 15:14.39 | Esine | cvsup: I'd recommend you to use ldaps though if possible |
| 15:14.48 | nsadmin | nsadmin: yeah, I'm talking to myself again... |
| 15:14.50 | Esine | it can take some time to set up but.. |
| 15:14.50 | helo | what is the hal.volume.disk.type of a usb thumb drive for ivman configuration |
| 15:14.56 | sparse | nsadmin: sorry, I have to drink some tea or coffe, yes, definitely |
| 15:15.37 | nsadmin | oh no worries, I'm just pokin fun |
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| 15:15.48 | Esine | thrashold: if you're trying to send mail directly, it could be that your ISP is blocking outgoing 25 for you |
| 15:15.54 | cvsup | Esine i'm use ldap in my intranet |
| 15:15.58 | cvsup | not need ssl enable |
| 15:15.59 | cvsup | :) |
| 15:16.07 | sparse | nsadmin: I admit that all of us have personal feelings and preference and I want to know reason for this one |
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| 15:17.31 | thrashold | Esine: Port 25 is not blocked (also, I'm mainly trying to send to a mail server run by me that's connected directly without routers inbetween) |
| 15:17.43 | Esine | I see |
| 15:17.56 | Esine | have you checked the logs? |
| 15:18.10 | Esine | also, this is my personal opinion, but I've found postfix to be easier to configure |
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| 15:19.35 | thrashold | The mail.* logs are empty, and nothing about exim in messages and syslog |
| 15:19.42 | dbbolton | is there a particular reason why my perl scripts print a % at the end? |
| 15:19.46 | Esine | see /var/log/exim4/ thrashold |
| 15:19.59 | Esine | IIRC exim4 in debian doesn't log into /var/log/mail.* |
| 15:20.14 | thrashold | Aaah... |
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| 15:20.52 | thrashold | Thanks, now I'll look at them |
| 15:21.18 | lindenle | just did an upgrade and now I can't log in through kdm or ssh out. complaints about libgsappi anyone know this one |
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| 15:23.21 | Zmanu | what may i do after change /etc/hosts ? |
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| 15:23.32 | nsadmin | lindenle: do you have anything special going on wrt logins? |
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| 15:24.30 | deed02392 | is there a way to lock a terminal on debian? |
| 15:24.46 | deed02392 | i don't want to have to logout, i just want to password protect it temporarily |
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| 15:25.10 | nsadmin | you could run screen and detach |
| 15:25.42 | d1b | vlock? |
| 15:25.45 | KordeX | a question regarding sparc64, on sun ultra5/10 machines, with sunffb, is there possibility to disable console redirection |
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| 15:27.09 | SeicherlBoB | is there a way to check on what drive/device/partition a directory is placed? |
| 15:27.22 | nsadmin | df . |
| 15:27.36 | nsadmin | or df /dir/ect/ory |
| 15:27.52 | _abbenormal | hey EmleyMoor what video card do you use |
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| 15:28.04 | SeicherlBoB | thanks a lot |
| 15:28.36 | KordeX | it passes it from prom0 to atyfb which i would like to cancel as i have my main screen on sunffb and would like to give up using the creator3d board (atyfb) it boots the atyfb off but kernel redirects the console messages to it after boot up. |
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| 15:30.29 | KordeX | if i use boot params as Linux video=sunffb console=prom0 i get only tux on the atyfb screen with sun on it's belly and [124.729852] turn off boot console earlyprom0 |
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| 15:35.12 | rdz | when having more sources enabled for apt, how can i know, from which a certain package is downloaded? |
| 15:35.34 | nsadmin | keep logs |
| 15:36.10 | g00se | rdz: apt-cache policy <packagename> should help |
| 15:36.25 | rdz | g00se, thanks |
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| 15:38.33 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 15:38.34 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 15:38.40 | Marsmensch | rdz, and of course you can try with apt-get -s install $PACKAGE |
| 15:38.59 | themill | It depends on whether you are talking future or past here. |
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| 15:40.54 | helo | i've installed ivman, and automounting works fine, but unmounting doesn't :/ |
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| 15:42.31 | sparse | Does anyone know which usb device could be identified as 0b38:0003, I can not find it |
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| 15:43.15 | zinx | sparse: uhm, google says Samsung pleomax PKB-7000x |
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| 15:45.42 | nsadmin | lsusb and dmesg might be of use |
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| 15:45.52 | enouf | sparse: usbids |
| 15:46.14 | zinx | looking at the actual device may provide some insight as well :X |
| 15:46.19 | enouf | perhaps you need/want to run update-usbids and update-pciids |
| 15:46.48 | enouf | helo: device busy message? |
| 15:47.21 | stew | helo: you can umount with "pumount devname" or "pumount mountpoint" |
| 15:47.29 | abrotman | sparse: update-usbids .. try again |
| 15:47.31 | stew | helo: what versino of debian are you running? |
| 15:47.45 | enouf | 'pumount', hehe |
| 15:48.31 | sparse | zinx: google where? I tried http://listing.driveragent.com/usb/?pg=0 with no success |
| 15:48.41 | sparse | enouf, abrotman what is that? |
| 15:48.53 | abrotman | it's a program .. run it |
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| 15:49.26 | sparse | abrotman: oh I see, thanks |
| 15:49.43 | sparse | abrotman: lsusb now works :) |
| 15:50.04 | pozic | If I do export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority;su <input password> RET; gedit, I still get No Protocol specified<newline> (gedit:9042): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
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| 15:53.27 | enouf | ~$ grep '0003' /lib/modules/2.6.29-2-686/modules.usbmap | grep '0b3' is the best i can cmoe up with offhand - but lsusb -v should as well |
| 15:53.28 | apt | enouf: that's too long |
| 15:53.38 | enouf | heh - shaddup apt! |
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| 15:57.06 | enouf | pozic: if you're root , then $HOME is /root/ |
| 15:57.13 | pozic | LANG=C sux gedit also returns Unknown id: gedit |
| 15:57.19 | pozic | enouf: I was not root at that moment. |
| 15:57.31 | pozic | enouf: and I know that, but thanks for the suggestion. |
| 15:57.43 | enouf | pozic: for the heck of it, try the /home/username/.Xauth... thingy |
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| 15:58.40 | enouf | crap - what's that merging x... named thing (for xauth) |
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| 15:59.07 | enouf | or rather, importing tool for the MIT Magic cookie |
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| 15:59.58 | enouf | http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html (well, that isn;t it, but worth a look) |
| 16:00.06 | pozic | I have no idea, why (something I don't particularly like), but it appears to work now exactly like I wanted. |
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| 16:01.02 | vezult | the top process listing shows shared memory usage. is that included in the size given for resident memory? |
| 16:01.05 | enouf | oh, it's xauth extract and merge |
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| 16:02.08 | vezult | ps doesn't seem to give me that data, so I'm wondering where the "shared" memory data comes from |
| 16:02.48 | Kingstone | anyone here knows apt pkg dynamic library? i have a question about some of it's functionality, if someone here knows specific stuff (not talking about the APT command line tool) |
| 16:03.01 | enouf | vezult: try reading this; http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ .. then using 'meminfo' |
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| 16:04.18 | enouf | Kingstone: you mean libapt? |
| 16:04.26 | unomi | anyone got uznl working on lenny? |
| 16:04.35 | unomi | uzbl even |
| 16:05.05 | enouf | libapt-pkg-perl: /usr/share/doc/libapt-pkg-perl/examples/apt-config |
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| 16:05.49 | enouf | unomi: ahh *uzbl* .... couldn't recall it's name, sometime ago |
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| 16:06.08 | enouf | unomi: what's the homepage? i know they have a channel -- i think here |
| 16:06.09 | mintux | can I install mplayer without gui ? |
| 16:06.13 | vezult | enouf: thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 16:06.22 | BubbaT | Sigh. Why do they have to change things that work perfectly well? I think M$ is planting pies in the linux movement. |
| 16:06.40 | unomi | enouf: http://www.uzbl.org/ |
| 16:06.43 | enouf | vezult: then go thank 'czr' who hangs in ##kernel many times ;-) |
| 16:06.58 | unomi | oh yeah.. #uzbl :) |
| 16:06.59 | enouf | unomi: easy enough - duh ;-) |
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| 16:07.18 | unomi | thanks, I thought it was some niche thing |
| 16:07.18 | enouf | has been thinking about toying with it |
| 16:07.22 | unomi | same |
| 16:07.31 | unomi | Im seriously tired of firefox |
| 16:07.32 | BubbaT | I'm using lenny, can someone recommend a page that describes the most recent version of ldconf/ls.co.conf/.... |
| 16:07.38 | enouf | adds to bookmarks |
| 16:07.48 | unomi | <3 firebug, firephp <3 |
| 16:07.58 | Kingstone | yes enouf |
| 16:08.02 | unomi | but the rest of it can go fall off a cliff |
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| 16:08.19 | enouf | indeed - IW/FF -- although tolerable on sid, using _atleast_ adblock and flashblock works pretty good on my old p2 |
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| 16:08.31 | Kingstone | libapt, i'm using this lib and i have some question about some of the functions |
| 16:08.59 | Kingstone | i tried to build an app that uses it, but my application gets crashed with bad access signal on the libapt-pkg module |
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| 16:09.22 | Kingstone | something that didn't happen on previous version of libapt i've used, only on newer versions |
| 16:09.29 | Kingstone | looks like they've changed some of the source |
| 16:09.39 | enouf | Kingstone: i don't know the innards .. so to speak .. however .. perhaps some on the debian-user mailing list will know - as well as within various channels, though i know not which ones, but theres many on irc.debian.org |
| 16:09.44 | Kingstone | but i haven't succeeded in making it works |
| 16:09.57 | Kingstone | ok |
| 16:10.03 | Kingstone | i'll try the mailing list as well, thx |
| 16:10.24 | enouf | sure - some here are indeed intimate with it's inner workings .. atleast a bit |
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| 16:11.21 | enouf | Kingstone: perhaps also somewhat useful; http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/a-map-of-apt-state-files/ |
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| 16:12.49 | enouf | BubbaT: no typos there? |
| 16:13.09 | lvh_ | unomi: firephp sounds like it's got something to do with php, how could it possibly be good |
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| 16:13.46 | unomi | lvh_: great point, unfortunately I am one of those bottom feeders getting paid to mess up messy code even more. |
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| 16:14.00 | lvh_ | unomi: Aww, poor you. |
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| 16:14.28 | unomi | one day, I too will program in a real programming language again |
| 16:14.39 | unomi | one day we will all be coding javascript |
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| 16:14.54 | bzed | unomi: eww. |
| 16:15.00 | _abbenormal | anyone know how to make a nvidia kernel with a stock kernel |
| 16:15.01 | unomi | you know its true |
| 16:15.13 | unomi | webkit is fast enough now |
| 16:15.16 | lvh_ | unomi: oh, wait, this isnt #python |
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| 16:15.39 | unomi | python is fairly nice |
| 16:15.51 | enouf | unomi: i've tried midori ... nasty results |
| 16:16.05 | adb | _abbenormal: m-a nvidia ? |
| 16:16.05 | enouf | unomi: my main browser is links2 -g |
| 16:16.14 | enouf | !links2 |
| 16:16.15 | dpkg | [links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359). http://links.twibright.com/ |
| 16:16.19 | unomi | but .. bottom feeding entails cheap hosts and clients who bought buggy php scripts |
| 16:16.30 | enouf | </promotion> ;-) |
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| 16:16.47 | unomi | heh, I do all my surfing via curl |
| 16:16.51 | _abbenormal | what other libs are needed and is there any links made or just command line used to build |
| 16:16.56 | enouf | unomi: i use Bash! |
| 16:16.58 | enouf | :-p |
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| 16:17.20 | adb | dpkg: tell _abbenormal -about m-a |
| 16:17.21 | unomi | by my will i set my computer in motion |
| 16:17.54 | enouf | unomi: the real test is when you can make mplayer play avis and DVDs within Console, using either directfb, or cvidix or something svga related :-P |
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| 16:18.19 | justin | enouf: caca :-P |
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| 16:18.27 | unomi | pshaw, I wrote my own ascii art plugout ages ago |
| 16:18.33 | adb | dpkg: tell _abbenormal -about nvidia-installer |
| 16:18.36 | enouf | _abbenormal: i like your nick - except for the leading _ ...ugh |
| 16:18.40 | justin | enouf: i'm looking forward to when links/elinks/w3m support <video> by using mplayer -vo caca :) |
| 16:18.48 | enouf | haha |
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| 16:19.37 | _abbenormal | sorry ive used it for a very long time now 7 plus years |
| 16:19.39 | jelly | justin: embedded? Cause it can already be done for, er, fullscreen |
| 16:19.50 | justin | jelly: lol |
| 16:19.53 | _abbenormal | i have issue on some networks just cause of that |
| 16:20.00 | enouf | justin: just CSS support (+ some bug fixes) would do me well enough ;-) |
| 16:20.06 | _abbenormal | have to drop it to log into them |
| 16:20.18 | _abbenormal | thanks for the info reading |
| 16:20.56 | enouf | _abbenormal: it's just the '_' requires two simultaneous keypresses to then tab-complete... ugh |
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| 16:21.27 | enouf | _abbenormal: you don't happen to have a hump, do you? :-p |
| 16:21.45 | sly007 | Hello, am i the only one having problems with Gnome in SID recently? It says it is brokent due to egika :-( Is there some fixes? |
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| 16:22.37 | enouf | sly007: running sid, eh? tsk tsk ;-) |
| 16:22.47 | somiaj | sly007: sid is the child who breaks things. (: |
| 16:22.54 | enouf | isn't it ekiga? |
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| 16:23.22 | enouf | (that might help in your google and BTS searches) |
| 16:23.30 | sly007 | it is |
| 16:23.36 | somiaj | sly007: check the bug reports, maybe downgrade to an eariler version in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ until the problem is fixed. There is a list of things sid users should do. |
| 16:24.07 | _abbenormal | lol |
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| 16:24.23 | somiaj | sly007: since I don't use gnome on my sid box I can't tell you if that is an issue with me or not. |
| 16:24.45 | sly007 | somiaj: libgtk2.0-bin: Dépend: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.5-1) mais 2.16.4-1 est installé. ======> how do I go back to the previous version? |
| 16:25.00 | sly007 | of libgtk2.0-bin |
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| 16:25.16 | thrashold | Is there any way to speed up rred during apt-get update? |
| 16:25.30 | enouf | sly007: LANG=C <command> |
| 16:25.44 | vvvv | I want to modify a scipt in the debian-installer hdmedia intird. Can i just unpack it and repack it again after changing something? |
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| 16:26.16 | sly007 | enouf: it says it needs 2.6.15 but 2.16.4 is installed |
| 16:26.17 | enouf | thrashold: not that i'm aware of |
| 16:26.42 | sly007 | previous version was OK |
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| 16:26.53 | enouf | sly007: i understand - that's the way things work in sid -- see if experimental has anything useful .. if your dare!@! |
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| 16:27.19 | enouf | you're better off reverting to earlier versions likely, as mentioned |
| 16:27.23 | somiaj | sly007: if you don't apt-get clean (or autoclean) and keep do semi regular updates all the debs are sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives. Beyond that it is manually installing the packages you need to get a working version. Though from the sounds of it you may want to reconsider running sid in the future. |
| 16:27.31 | sly007 | enouf: somiaj said I could go back with the previous version. how do i do that/ |
| 16:27.34 | sly007 | ? |
| 16:27.47 | enouf | sly007: s/he just mentioned how |
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| 16:28.00 | enouf | sly007: p.d.o has all one needs |
| 16:28.11 | sly007 | he says "check that dir" |
| 16:28.15 | sly007 | and then? |
| 16:28.58 | sly007 | enouf: he said to downgrade, my question is: how do i do that? |
| 16:29.01 | somiaj | sly007: if you don't know how to use dpkg manually you should do yourself a favor and change from sid to squeese, and then eventally wait till it stabilizes if you don't want to run across these issues now and then. |
| 16:29.43 | sly007 | somiaj: it's the first time I need to, and i've been using sid for 2 years, updating weekly |
| 16:30.37 | enouf | sly007: then you haven't learned much ... sigh |
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| 16:30.50 | somiaj | sly007: things like this happen from time to time. It is far better than it should be, but as of now the difference in software version between sid and stable isn't as drastic as it use to be when I started running sid. |
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| 16:31.36 | enouf | indeed - hence; Stable releases seem to be happening more frequently (shortened times, between releases) |
| 16:31.41 | sly007 | anyway, now I know I must use dpkg. My question is: when I'll do a future full-upgrade, will it upgrade to the latest version available (possibly a boogy one again) |
| 16:31.46 | enouf | !release history |
| 16:31.46 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 16:31.46 | somiaj | sly007: sid has completely wiped many harddrives and data, if you aren't checking bug reports, etc before updating then you will keep running across these issues. May be years or may be days between them. Sid recentally caused me about 5 hours of strife making me think stable is fine for me since most the cutting edge software I need I compile myself. |
| 16:32.18 | sly007 | (so i ll have to dpkg again? |
| 16:32.36 | somiaj | you could have to chase dependencys around for a few hours to get it working. |
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| 16:32.56 | enouf | sly007: at the least! ... as mentioned, apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges and other things, such as mailing list notifications are a MUST |
| 16:33.34 | enouf | sly007: i always use apt-get with the -s option _prior_ |
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| 16:35.21 | _abbenormal | thanks enouf i like that m-a |
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| 16:39.19 | _abbenormal | dpkg: nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 16:39.19 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 16:39.20 | enouf | _abbenormal: that was adb i think .. not i ;-) |
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| 16:40.17 | _abbenormal | your right thanks adb |
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| 16:42.33 | adam-_- | i have a macbook pro from about a year ago, what version of debian would i need for a virtual machine? |
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| 16:43.34 | Esine | i386/i646 or x64_64, adam-_- |
| 16:43.37 | somiaj | isn't that on the i386 arch, if so I'd assume the vm your running would use the same arch. |
| 16:43.44 | sly007 | is there a way to go back to testing...? |
| 16:43.58 | abrotman | downgrade not likely |
| 16:44.20 | somiaj | sly007: there is no way to downgrade. But if you change 'sid' to 'squeeze' in your sources.list and wait 'most' things will eventally become testing as stuff drops down and then stabilizes |
| 16:44.21 | Esine | Many virtual machines (such as VMWare's desktop products) support running amd64 guests on top x86 host OS |
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| 16:45.47 | adam-_- | and am i best with the netinst cd image? |
| 16:45.55 | somiaj | adam-_-: I'd ask the actual vm your running, VMware, Vbox, xen, etc and bet they have a guide as to what hardware support you get, i.e. what arch. Chose the appropiate version of debian include if you want to play with stable/testing or cid |
| 16:45.59 | Esine | sure, it's the fastest way adam-_- |
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| 16:46.36 | somiaj | adam-_-: correct I would use a netinstall cd for the base install and then put the software on top of that. |
| 16:46.44 | adam-_- | ok thanks |
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| 16:47.21 | somiaj | adam-_-: I really only suggest the full release cds if you plan on putting it on a machine without good network access and want a local repostary of the packages. |
| 16:49.49 | hedgehoginfog | hello. Am I right thinking that if I have a wlan0 interface present in my system then everything is fine with my drivers and issues possible are about configuration options? |
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| 16:50.05 | justin | hedgehoginfog: no, you could be missing firmware |
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| 16:50.55 | hedgehoginfog | justin, I was told I don't need any firmwire. It's an atheros wireless card with ath9k as a driver used. |
| 16:51.33 | justin | hedgehoginfog: then yeah, it is possible that everything is fine |
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| 16:53.43 | hedgehoginfog | justin, I just can't connect to my network. The instructions are rather complicated: http://www.udel.edu/topics/udelsecure/xpcomps.html\ |
| 16:53.48 | hedgehoginfog | http://www.udel.edu/topics/udelsecure/xpcomps.html |
| 16:54.03 | justin | hedgehoginfog: use network manager |
| 16:54.10 | justin | hedgehoginfog: takes 30 seconds |
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| 16:54.29 | hedgehoginfog | justin, didn't work for me |
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| 16:54.43 | hedgehoginfog | it just doesnt connect not telling what's wrong |
| 16:54.51 | hedgehoginfog | if the password was incorrect or sth like that |
| 16:55.27 | justin | hedgehoginfog: should be able to tail -F /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log |
| 16:55.37 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ......can debian 4 work on a reallly old PC ( 256 ram , 1.2 processor P4 ) ?:D |
| 16:55.51 | hedgehoginfog | justin, no such file or dir? |
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| 16:55.59 | cobra-the-joker | btw , i am willing to use it as a DEsktop |
| 16:56.06 | justin | hedgehoginfog: find /var/log/ | grep supplicant |
| 16:56.40 | hedgehoginfog | justin, nothing |
| 16:57.02 | justin | hedgehoginfog: do you even have wpasuppicant installed? |
| 16:57.04 | justin | er |
| 16:57.06 | justin | wpasupplicant |
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| 16:57.40 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: ram is a little low, but yes it will run. I think the biggest issue will be ram issues if you want a full graphical desktop enviorment. But if you use light weight window managers and the likes you can make it function. |
| 16:58.00 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: I'd suggest seeing if you can upgrade the ram as it may be cheap and your only limitation |
| 16:58.15 | helo | anyone know how to get ivman to automatically unmount volumes as well as mount them? |
| 16:58.30 | adb | hedgehoginfog: uname -r , says ? |
| 16:58.32 | cobra-the-joker | somiaj , i cant ..the mother board only supports till 256 :D |
| 16:58.48 | cobra-the-joker | somaik , only metacity and gnome |
| 16:58.54 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: well give yourself a good amount of swap and just expect it to be slow. |
| 16:59.13 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 16:59.19 | amphi | cobra-the-joker: debian was fine for me with openbox on a machine with 64MB RAM |
| 16:59.20 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: metacity+gnome is not what I was thinking of. I'd suggest fvwm, but blackbox, fluxbox, icewm, there are plenty of less memeory intensive alternatives. |
| 16:59.49 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: gnome/kde as full desktop enviorments are a bit bloated for something of that generation. |
| 17:00.02 | hedgehoginfog | adb, 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 17:00.13 | adb | !ath9k |
| 17:00.13 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11 draft-n PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27-rc3. Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170> or <otus>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 17:00.22 | cobra-the-joker | :D , ok then ...i will go with icewm or xfce maybe |
| 17:00.25 | adb | hedgehoginfog: ^^ |
| 17:00.41 | enouf | helo: i ... and stew answered (and inquired) you earlier |
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| 17:01.10 | hedgehoginfog | adb, How do I uninstall what I have now? |
| 17:01.19 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: yea, play around with some alternatives. |
| 17:01.38 | somiaj | hedgehoginfog: you don't really want to uninstall your current kernel, but find a backport for a more recent kernel version. |
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| 17:01.51 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:01.51 | somiaj | hedgehoginfog: you cna have multiple kernels, so that is fine |
| 17:01.55 | helo | ahh... my bad |
| 17:01.57 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: i have debian sid running on a 1999 pentiumII with a debian .29 kernel .. no major issues |
| 17:02.09 | hedgehoginfog | somiaj, I mean how do I uninstall the ath9k driver I have now |
| 17:02.11 | Posterdati | please is there a way to have console on serial port? |
| 17:02.14 | adb | hedgehoginfog: not needed , just add backports to sources list and install .30 kernel |
| 17:02.19 | Posterdati | I mean console login |
| 17:02.21 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: alsa is horribly broken, but that's a side-effect :-P |
| 17:02.23 | helo | stew: i need the unmounting to be automatic when the drive is removed... so pumount isn't really an option |
| 17:02.35 | somiaj | hedgehoginfog: the module you installed should be attached only to the current kernel you have. So your fine. |
| 17:02.36 | hedgehoginfog | I used old linux-wirless, compilled it and modprobe the ath9k from the package |
| 17:02.48 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: 512 RAM now, but had it running with 192M at some point |
| 17:02.49 | helo | enouf: not sure if i'm getting a drive busy message or what... i guess i need to start ivman manually in verbose mode... |
| 17:03.13 | cobra-the-joker | enouf , comforting ^^ |
| 17:03.19 | enouf | helo: stew mentioned try 'pumount </mnt/point>' |
| 17:03.26 | hedgehoginfog | adb and somiaj, I also use fglrx. Will I have to use module assistant again to get it worked? |
| 17:03.37 | adb | sure |
| 17:03.39 | helo | enouf: i need the unmount to be automatic when the drive is removed |
| 17:03.44 | somiaj | hedgehoginfog: correct, you will have to install that module for the new kernel you use |
| 17:03.46 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: running X and even IW, though links2 -g is my main browser |
| 17:04.09 | hedgehoginfog | So I have to be prepared to see the black screen with no browser. I am not familiar with lynx |
| 17:04.10 | enouf | helo: you might want to look at the "eject" command/package |
| 17:04.37 | somiaj | cobra-the-joker: if things start running slow it is because your memory is being swaped. The fix to that is find less memeory intestive applications, which will mostly be available in debian |
| 17:04.40 | enouf | helo: you usually cannot just YANK out a drive ... and expect it to all work out ... |
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| 17:05.39 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: yes, watch free output - learn about varous sysctl params to setup overcommit_* and swappiness usage |
| 17:05.44 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: man proc |
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| 17:06.22 | enouf | helo: fglrx questions should go to #fglrx :-P |
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| 17:06.37 | enouf | erm .. sorry helo -- i meant hedgehoginfog |
| 17:06.38 | cobra-the-joker | mmmm....ok then |
| 17:06.52 | enouf | s/varous/various/ |
| 17:07.00 | cobra-the-joker | i think i will use things like lynx and that stuff .....lol |
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| 17:07.24 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: apt-get update ; apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 17:07.47 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: choose one - leave the bloated DEs for newer boxen |
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| 17:07.49 | helo | enouf: if it is read-only, you can |
| 17:07.55 | cobra-the-joker | enouf , ok |
| 17:08.17 | enouf | helo: no, not really ... |
| 17:08.41 | enouf | helo: as certain FSTypes and mount options might interfere with that |
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| 17:09.17 | enouf | helo: i mean .. what exactly is your issue then? .. if it's not data corrruption? |
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| 17:10.20 | enouf | helo: you _could_ add a "udev rule" that runs a script upon any action RUN+=... or something |
| 17:10.34 | enouf | !udev rules |
| 17:10.34 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 17:10.40 | helo | enouf: i'm creating a system where people can insert a thumb drive in, run some automatic tests on it, and then remove it |
| 17:10.47 | helo | i'm using ivman for execution on thumb insert |
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| 17:11.06 | enouf | helo: that's all udev (+ HAL and perhaps DBUS)related then |
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| 17:11.52 | helo | the problem is when ivman doesn't unmount the drive on removal, then the next automatic naming chooses the next available letter, leaving a stale invalid mount, etc |
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| 17:12.40 | enouf | helo: i know nothing about hw ivman operates |
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| 17:13.03 | helo | what is the correct reaction when a block device is forcibly removed? is there any other valid reaction than to forcibly unmount it? |
| 17:13.04 | enouf | helo: there's also usbmount, which isn't tied to any DE, AIUI |
| 17:13.06 | somiaj | helo: Could you just add an unmount portion to the end of your testing scripts? Seems as if forcing the umount of a removed media after the effect is a hack. |
| 17:13.22 | enouf | helo: sysrq |
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| 17:13.47 | enouf | S+U+B |
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| 17:13.52 | CharminTheMoose | ENOUF! |
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| 17:13.55 | CharminTheMoose | :DD |
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| 17:14.05 | enouf | sync prior would be nice, however you mentioned 'ro' |
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| 17:14.23 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: M000000000000000000000000000SHIIIIII33333333333! |
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| 17:15.00 | enouf | wait - the S is sync.. yea? |
| 17:15.08 | enouf | forgets |
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| 17:15.20 | enouf | U == remount ro |
| 17:15.24 | enouf | B == reboot |
| 17:15.36 | cusco | S == Sync |
| 17:15.41 | cusco | good before unmount |
| 17:15.45 | enouf | use alt-SYSRQ+h |
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| 17:15.52 | cusco | ah sorry (trolling) |
| 17:15.57 | helo | somiaj: i currently do, but i'd prefer it to be automatic :) |
| 17:16.11 | enouf | helo: udev rules |
| 17:16.18 | enouf | period |
| 17:16.25 | helo | ok |
| 17:16.38 | enouf | helo: want an example? |
| 17:16.49 | somiaj | helo: I just see no way to 'safely' do that. Sure it can be done, but as I said, seems like a hack |
| 17:17.02 | amphi | enouf: remind what 'h' is ;) |
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| 17:17.33 | enouf | helo: start here; http://cafuego.net/2007/11/11/time-machine-kinda and then read the docs |
| 17:17.41 | enouf | amphi: HELP! ;-) |
| 17:17.48 | amphi | enouf: heh |
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| 17:18.01 | enouf | amphi: it's good to be back ;-) |
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| 17:18.18 | enouf | !cafuego++ |
| 17:18.29 | amphi | enouf: were you absent? I've been afk quite a bit of late |
| 17:19.04 | enouf | amphi: yes - until 2 days ago - for aprrox 5+ days ... ISPs suck ass ;-) |
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| 17:19.27 | amphi | they indubitably do |
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| 17:19.35 | enouf | amphi: hope your time away was as fruitful as mine ;-) |
| 17:19.42 | abrotman | remembers the peace and quiet ... |
| 17:19.53 | _abbenormal | lol |
| 17:19.56 | enouf | !shoutsmite at abrotman |
| 17:20.04 | amphi | quietly grepping the kernel src for musical instruments... ;) |
| 17:20.06 | _abbenormal | hi abrotman |
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| 17:20.26 | abrotman | amphi: i was actually trying to read the ips source .. it's just what was in it |
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| 17:20.50 | enouf | hands abrotman a 50lb. <everything> Burger to hush his interruptions |
| 17:21.20 | enouf | amphi: hehe |
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| 17:22.06 | fxiny | enouf: and two large jars , marshmallow jars ;) |
| 17:22.13 | amphi | abrotman: sure - I just liked the idea |
| 17:22.38 | Shivan_ | does anyone know a a package that will allow us to setup a transparent proxy for our ftps server (ip switch wsftp server). I know i can set it up, just having a hard time finding the correct package. |
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| 17:22.55 | abrotman | amphi: i'm guessing those were the IBM codenames for the devices .. but really .. TROMBONE ? |
| 17:23.03 | amphi | heheh |
| 17:23.14 | fxiny | trombone ? |
| 17:23.21 | abrotman | fxiny: look in the ips.h in the kernel source |
| 17:23.43 | kanzure | does anyone have a way to explain apt-get to people who don't know what debian is? is there some document on the web? |
| 17:23.44 | amphi | fxiny: < abrotman> #define IPS_IS_TROMBONE(ha) |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | fxiny: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/drivers/scsi/ips.h |
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| 17:28.37 | enouf | fxiny: !! |
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| 17:28.56 | fxiny | look at that : NAVAJO , KIOWA |
| 17:28.59 | fxiny | enouf: !! |
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| 17:29.15 | enouf | kanzure: yes; debian-reference |
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| 17:30.28 | Titan8990 | I have noticed there are many visual differences between xfce 4.4 on my debian system and xfce 4.4 on my gentoo system... Is this because of configuration during compiling? |
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| 17:30.48 | Titan8990 | as in how it was compiled prior to being packaged |
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| 17:31.57 | Titan8990 | is this question better suited for #xfce? |
| 17:32.13 | kanzure | enouf: where is debian-reference? |
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| 17:33.47 | somiaj | Titan8990: in both cases you'll have to look though how it is configured. Both debian and gentoo may add their own custom patches too which can be found in the source. |
| 17:34.39 | Titan8990 | somiaj, but the one in gentoo looks like its supposed to... for example this theme: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php/SlicknesS?content=71993 |
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| 17:34.59 | Titan8990 | in debian xfce does not even have close to the correct looking scrollbar, and many of the color schemes are backwards |
| 17:35.07 | BoltPower21 | Sorry for the noob question, is there a way to get ls to list only files and not directory in a given directory? |
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| 17:35.21 | Titan8990 | its almost like xfce was compiled without gtk support |
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| 17:35.31 | adama_ | BoltPower21: ls -l |grep -v ^d |
| 17:35.33 | korn900 | hi |
| 17:35.39 | justin | Titan8990: lol |
| 17:35.41 | BoltPower21 | adama_: thanks. |
| 17:35.47 | justin | Titan8990: probably missing some gtk engine packages |
| 17:35.49 | kanzure | enouf: what about a nontechnical introduction to apt? that's what I'm trying to find. |
| 17:36.05 | kanzure | it's hard to explain to someone who doesn't have a clue what exactly is so convenient and nice about apt-get-install |
| 17:36.05 | justin | gtk2-engines-pixbuf - Pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x |
| 17:36.09 | justin | that one maybe |
| 17:36.09 | korn900 | i search for a command to run an application in specific workspace with fluxbox, anybody know one ? |
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| 17:36.50 | Titan8990 | justin, i don't have that one, thanks |
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| 17:37.04 | Titan8990 | justin, any chance you would know why it wouldn't be part of the xfce4 meta? |
| 17:39.39 | somiaj | Titan8990: don't nkow much about xfce, but it could just be user config options and the defaults can be different causing different themes. Also the images you posted all seems to be using xfce within gnome, and maybe you are using it stand alone. |
| 17:39.39 | abrotman | WEEEEEEEE |
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| 17:39.45 | somiaj | Titan8990: though seems as if justin sees your problem better than I do. |
| 17:39.45 | Shivan_ | boy that was a good split |
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| 17:39.45 | adama_ | BoltPower21: there may be a switch for ls (see "man ls") but pipes and grep are your friend |
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| 17:39.45 | Titan8990 | somiaj, well, my gentoo xfce is definatly xfce by iteself... my debian is more gnome+xfce... |
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| 17:39.46 | enouf | kanzure: non-tech? the reference explains it in non-tech terms |
| 17:39.46 | fxiny | kanzure: man apt . i think you want : man apt-get |
| 17:39.46 | fxiny | oops |
| 17:39.50 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:39.59 | Titan8990 | netsplit ftl |
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| 17:40.00 | adama_ | morning |
| 17:40.00 | Titan8990 | justin, thanks for the suggestion, going to restart X, brb |
| 17:40.00 | fxiny | man apt-get is well written |
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| 17:40.00 | Titan8990_ | hmm |
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| 17:40.02 | Titan8990_ | another odd issue is if I reboot, X gets killed no problems but if I ctrl+alt+backspace or kill x w/ ctrl+c from the tty i started in, it freezes on the exit... |
| 17:40.06 | Titan8990_ | probably not worth the time troubleshooting that one though |
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| 17:40.11 | kanzure | fxiny: that's possible. I'll check. |
| 17:40.43 | korn900 | somebody know a command for run an application in one specefic workspace ? i lost the name of the software |
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| 17:41.04 | somiaj | korn900: that could be dependent on the desktop/wm you are using. |
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| 17:41.16 | Titan8990 | justin, PERFECT.... that was the package I needed, thanks |
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| 17:41.38 | fxiny | kanzure: but as enouf suggested , you could install debian-reference |
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| 17:42.00 | BoltPower21 | adama_: i have read the man for ls up and down. I do see anything. Q: i get "grep -v" part but what does ^d do, I know using ls -l show that permission string the d for directory, but how does grep match ^d to only that d? |
| 17:42.18 | justin | BoltPower21: you want find, not ls |
| 17:42.19 | korn900 | i use fluxbox but i know there is one software with you can do that for many vm |
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| 17:43.00 | mischief | is the 'sudo' group created by the sudo package meant for use similar to the wheel group? |
| 17:43.42 | korn900 | it's ok the software is wmctrl |
| 17:43.49 | fxiny | BoltPower21: man grep , scroll down to invert-match |
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| 17:44.45 | BoltPower21 | fxiny: I know that -v inverts, but what does ^d mean. |
| 17:44.51 | fxiny | BoltPower21: ^d stands for starting with d |
| 17:44.55 | enouf | kanzure: /msg dpkg refcard as well |
| 17:45.00 | enouf | !refcard |
| 17:45.00 | dpkg | hmm... refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 17:45.11 | kanzure | that's not what I'm looking for |
| 17:45.18 | kanzure | someone was interviewing me for a paper |
| 17:45.25 | kanzure | and I mentioned apt and the debian packages |
| 17:45.30 | enouf | kanzure: then, you fail to explain yourself |
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| 17:45.47 | kanzure | yes, I fail |
| 17:45.54 | kanzure | that's why I asked in here :) |
| 17:45.56 | enouf | kanzure: then they must be wintendo weenies ;-) |
| 17:45.58 | adama_ | BoltPower21: ^ matches the start of the line |
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| 17:46.05 | kanzure | enouf: yeah :( |
| 17:46.15 | kanzure | enouf: but I've been amazed how few people understand the concept of this system. |
| 17:46.44 | kanzure | and there's no generic explanation for 'wintendo weenies' |
| 17:47.04 | enouf | kanzure: dude - listen - there are tons of tuts about unices, and linux - i suggest they read "rute" |
| 17:47.31 | enouf | kanzure: stop trolling |
| 17:47.31 | kanzure | enouf: I don't want a tutorial. |
| 17:47.45 | kanzure | enouf: these people will not be using apt-get |
| 17:47.46 | enouf | kanzure: if they don't want to learn, then they are not worthy of FOSS |
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| 17:47.48 | fxiny | calls the picciotti to help enouf |
| 17:48.12 | kanzure | enouf: they want to learn, but not how to use it. just "what it is" in terms that don't suck. |
| 17:48.22 | kanzure | I'm no wordcrafter. |
| 17:48.24 | enouf | kanzure: then shoot them, cause they should be, since APT is superior to all they know ;-) |
| 17:48.45 | enouf | kanzure: it's a FRONTEND to dpkg! |
| 17:48.52 | kanzure | it's certainly superior, yes :) |
| 17:48.52 | enouf | kanzure: capisce! |
| 17:49.03 | enouf | the /msg dpkg reference tells you that |
| 17:49.12 | Titan8990_ | emerge > aptitude > apt-get |
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| 17:49.29 | BoltPower21 | adama_: thanks again. |
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| 17:49.59 | fxiny | kanzure: and dpkg |
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| 17:50.00 | enouf | kanzure: mention that it works similar to torrents, and all the other shit they do to circumvent MS and redmond rules |
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| 17:50.04 | fxiny | dpkg rulez |
| 17:50.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I do, don't I? |
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| 17:50.50 | enouf | kanzure: they get ALL software from official (and non-official) repos through apt-get, and many other ethods |
| 17:50.59 | enouf | s/ethods/methods/ |
| 17:51.19 | Titan8990 | all packages should be installed via the package manager whether you compiled them manually or not |
| 17:51.56 | fxiny | kanzure: licenced software |
| 17:51.56 | kanzure | enouf: nice, maybe I'll mention the analogy to torrents. thanks. |
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| 17:52.45 | enouf | kanzure: dpkg is the actual low-level installation tool -- part of APT -- apt-get (and aptitude et al) is used to "fetch" pkgs (.debs), from the internet (and other locations) |
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| 17:53.07 | enouf | kanzure: the "reference" discusses all this |
| 17:53.07 | enouf | ' |
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| 17:53.54 | enouf | kanzure: there are GUI frontends, some are K Package Manager (KDE related), Synaptic, etc |
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| 17:54.21 | enouf | kanzure: KDE is a DE (Desktop Environment) |
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| 17:54.28 | enouf | kanzure: GNOME is another |
| 17:54.41 | LordMetroid | What is Canonical doing with Debian when they make their server edition? |
| 17:54.49 | enouf | kanzure: the underlying GUI member is X Windowing System |
| 17:54.51 | LordMetroid | How are the Debian and Ubuntu servers different? |
| 17:54.58 | veritos | Can you use /etc/apt/preferences to say "never install package of name 'x' even if it was recommended by another package"? |
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| 17:55.13 | justin | veritos: you can do apt-get install foo -x |
| 17:55.13 | stew | LordMetroid: cannoical isn't doing anything with debian when they make their server edition, it is ubuntu, not debian |
| 17:55.15 | enouf | veritos: use /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:55.18 | justin | veritos: er, apt-get install foo x- |
| 17:55.21 | stew | LordMetroid: there is no "server" edition of debian |
| 17:55.30 | LordMetroid | ok, sorry about that |
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| 17:55.51 | LordMetroid | Ubuntu is based on Debian so they do something, right? |
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| 17:55.57 | enouf | LordMetroid: actually, Debian proper is setup as default to be "a server" AIUI |
| 17:56.12 | khaije|amalt | aiui? |
| 17:56.15 | enouf | LordMetroid: depending upon Installation options |
| 17:56.17 | stew | LordMetroid: how does ubuntu server edition differ from ubuntu desktop edition? |
| 17:56.20 | enouf | !aiui |
| 17:56.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, aiui is As I Understand It |
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| 17:56.28 | valdyn | LordMetroid: not at all? |
| 17:56.30 | LordMetroid | stew, I got no idea |
| 17:56.42 | khaije|amalt | ah ty |
| 17:56.53 | stew | LordMetroid: is this your actual question? |
| 17:57.00 | veritos | justin, I'm going from an Ubuntu angle so that installed then removed. |
| 17:57.01 | LordMetroid | valdyn, what do you mean, "not at all?" ? |
| 17:57.06 | enouf | bases his presumptions on kernel PREEMPT and HZ= options |
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| 17:57.23 | enouf | LordMetroid: learn about the kernel |
| 17:57.24 | LordMetroid | I am just thinking if I should use Debian or Ubuntu for all my server needs |
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| 17:57.44 | valdyn | LordMetroid: i just suppose theres about no difference, except for the kernel, which also might not really be significantly different |
| 17:57.52 | LordMetroid | I see |
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| 17:58.07 | stew | LordMetroid: not suprisingly, in this channel we typically recommend debian |
| 17:58.12 | valdyn | LordMetroid: its cheap to provide a server kernel even if that choice doesnt matter for most people |
| 17:58.32 | LordMetroid | stew, yes of course that is why I asked about the difference |
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| 17:58.58 | stew | LordMetroid: so you are asking "what is the difference between debian and ubuntu"? |
| 17:59.08 | valdyn | LordMetroid: ubuntu has their packages, the difference to debian packages is on the intarweb, accessible to you |
| 17:59.09 | LordMetroid | when it comes to servers |
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| 17:59.41 | LordMetroid | Do Debian keep the repositories forever? |
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| 17:59.59 | valdyn | LordMetroid: its a matter of taste, which you cant appreciate either way till you know debian or ubuntu very well |
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| 18:00.31 | valdyn | LordMetroid: i'd say the difference might be irrelevant |
| 18:00.31 | dondelelcaro | LordMetroid: for released versions, yes. We're working on keeping every single package in the future. |
| 18:00.37 | LordMetroid | valdyn, I have been using Ubuntu for my desktop needs since 2003 |
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| 18:00.43 | valdyn | LordMetroid: that doesnt mean anything |
| 18:00.46 | LordMetroid | no wait 2003 is wrong |
| 18:00.48 | cognitiaclaeves | I keep getting a message that apache2 is being started on a lenny server that I uninstalled apache 2. I did have it working, and I'd like to keep the config files, in case I want to put apache2 back in operation. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 18:01.06 | LordMetroid | dondelelcaro, that is good enough difference to me |
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| 18:01.13 | LordMetroid | debian it is |
| 18:01.25 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 18:01.25 | dpkg | methinks snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 18:01.46 | stew | valdyn: is that even maintained anymore? |
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| 18:01.54 | valdyn | stew: hmm |
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| 18:02.04 | stew | LordMetroid: note that although we will keep old releases around forever, we don't support them forever |
| 18:02.16 | LordMetroid | Yes but Ubuntu deletes them |
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| 18:02.36 | somiaj | LordMetroid: bigest difference is patches on top of the vanilla software and focus. As time goes on they may drift further apart, but right now they are fairly similar. Just the releases will have a different set of packages avaiable. |
| 18:03.12 | LordMetroid | I had a perfectly good Ubuntu from 2006 and then they delete the repositories forcing me to update my system and generally screwing the performance out of my laptop |
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| 18:03.13 | valdyn | stew: that does look broken |
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| 18:03.25 | stew | valdyn: afaik it stopped updating over a year ago |
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| 18:03.53 | somiaj | LordMetroid: debian is a bit more strict if you look at the DFSG. |
| 18:03.54 | stew | valdyn: we're planning on creating an official version, but afaik, we need a big hardware donation before we can do it |
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| 18:04.18 | LordMetroid | mmm, I know that |
| 18:04.29 | LordMetroid | even though you get the hammer by Stallman |
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| 18:05.06 | somiaj | I recentally had to use snapshot.debian.net. The last offical snapshots I saw were from march this year. They were hard to get to but they seemed to stop updating sometime in march this year. |
| 18:05.09 | valdyn | no hammer, just no recommendation either |
| 18:05.10 | stew | LordMetroid: yeah, stallman doesn't like that we won't include his non-free software |
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| 18:06.15 | LordMetroid | stallman makes non-free software? |
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| 18:07.11 | stew | LordMetroid: yeah, he doesn't think documentation should necessarily be free, which is why the docs for stuff like gcc and emacs had to be removed from debian |
| 18:07.24 | LordMetroid | ohh dear |
| 18:07.26 | somiaj | LordMetroid: the DFSG is why I stick with debian and don't use ubuntu. |
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| 18:08.46 | LordMetroid | Maybe I should try out Debian 5 |
| 18:09.05 | LordMetroid | It can't hurt to try it out on my stationary desktop |
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| 18:09.24 | LordMetroid | Do you know if the open source ATI drivers are adequate? |
| 18:09.32 | abrotman | for what? |
| 18:09.59 | somiaj | LordMetroid: I think the biggest differnce you'll see is less gui front end package managers by default. |
| 18:10.16 | LordMetroid | abrotman, I am mainly playing Quake Wars |
| 18:10.23 | \amethyst | LordMetroid: what chipset? |
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| 18:10.30 | somiaj | LordMetroid: should be fine unless you want opengl support. The fgxl can be installed from non-free sources though. |
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| 18:10.53 | LordMetroid | hmm, I need opengl support for playing games |
| 18:11.11 | rozie | opengl works fine with radeon on 9200 |
| 18:11.21 | rozie | what card do you have? |
| 18:11.25 | somiaj | there is free opengl support, just not sure how good it is. |
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| 18:11.48 | \amethyst | if your card is old enough, the free opengl support might be your only option |
| 18:11.55 | \amethyst | ATI keeps dropping older cards from fglrx |
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| 18:12.45 | compilerwriter | I need nvidia help. I got lost trying to follow this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Chooseadriverversion so now I made a mistake following this: http://desiato.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.html Could someone walk me through what I need to do to correct it please? |
| 18:12.48 | abrotman | rozie: works fine on more than that |
| 18:13.00 | LordMetroid | \amethyst, chipset: Radeon 700 |
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| 18:13.13 | abrotman | LordMetroid: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 18:13.18 | maligor | LordMetroid, you mean R700? |
| 18:13.24 | LordMetroid | yes |
| 18:13.24 | enouf | wow .. lost |
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| 18:13.37 | LordMetroid | RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] |
| 18:13.41 | maligor | it doesn't translate to Radeon 700 :P |
| 18:13.46 | maligor | it's a codename |
| 18:13.55 | LordMetroid | ahh, I see |
| 18:13.55 | enouf | !radeonhd vs radeon |
| 18:13.55 | dpkg | The <radeon> project started under a non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, a second project, <radeonhd>, was started from scratch with a focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature and http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon#head-7b2a81f777639f8e12c9ac08a1e31d4c4bee9ef5 |
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| 18:14.22 | maligor | LordMetroid, that card only has realistic support for opengl in fglrx |
| 18:14.43 | LordMetroid | ok, so I might as well go with the non-free drivers? |
| 18:14.46 | maligor | git mesa head can display glxgears but that's it :P |
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| 18:15.18 | enouf | might also want to check out; http://www.rojtberg.net/67/exa-uxa-dri-gem-ttm/ |
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| 18:15.35 | \amethyst | LordMetroid: yeah, known issues with 'radeonhd': "Black screen when OpenGL window has focus" |
| 18:15.41 | \amethyst | LordMetroid: could be a problem :) |
| 18:15.45 | LordMetroid | indeed |
| 18:15.47 | LordMetroid | :0 |
| 18:15.50 | enouf | depends ... for a "server" ? unnecessary |
| 18:16.05 | LordMetroid | Not a server, my stationary desktop |
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| 18:16.11 | enouf | ok |
| 18:16.39 | enouf | i recall "server" being a keyword in prior commentary ... my bad |
| 18:17.02 | LordMetroid | Yes, sorry about that I was previously probing whether to choose Ubuntu or Debian for my server needs |
| 18:17.17 | LordMetroid | Debian became the choice as the repositories aren't actively being deleted |
| 18:17.24 | enouf | is not able to watch all conversation sometimes |
| 18:17.45 | jpinx-eeepc | gives enouf a bigger pair of glasses |
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| 18:18.04 | LordMetroid | btw, any VPS service provider you can recommend? |
| 18:18.12 | Titan8990 | debian has a much better release schedule for a server |
| 18:18.16 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 18:18.16 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 18:18.18 | compilerwriter_ | hello |
| 18:18.20 | enouf | simtes jpinx-eeepc with an enormous magnifying glass |
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| 18:18.32 | enouf | s/simtes/smites/ |
| 18:18.34 | compilerwriter_ | could someone please tell me what I did wrong to get banned? |
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| 18:18.38 | Titan8990 | LordMetroid, i can tell you I had an absolutly awful experience with cheapvps.uk |
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| 18:18.55 | Titan8990 | LordMetroid, to the point where I never got A) the vps I ordered B) a refund |
| 18:18.55 | LordMetroid | the guy at http://guaranteedvps.com/ is totally volatile |
| 18:18.56 | jemark | rhythmbox in unstable is really "unstable" ... mms radio station do not play eventhough i have installed all the gstreamer codecs and w32codecs |
| 18:19.17 | Titan8990 | VLC media player ftw |
| 18:19.18 | petemc | compilerwriter_: you didnt get banned, you left |
| 18:19.23 | Titan8990 | only downside is required qt libs |
| 18:19.36 | LordMetroid | http://guaranteedvps.com/ have good prices but I can't make business with someone who will explode in my face at any moment |
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| 18:20.03 | compilerwriter_ | petemc I tried to come back and was told I was banned. |
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| 18:20.18 | Titan8990 | LordMetroid, how do you know that? |
| 18:20.26 | LordMetroid | Cause I spoke to him |
| 18:20.31 | compilerwriter_ | I don't intend to offend anyone and if I did I apologize. I just need a little help. |
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| 18:22.23 | LordMetroid | We had a rational philosophical conversation about copyright law and then he got very offended cause I don't like copyright law |
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| 18:22.31 | LordMetroid | He totally exploded |
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| 18:22.32 | Titan8990 | on IRC? |
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| 18:22.32 | LordMetroid | yes |
| 18:22.32 | Titan8990 | phone? rl? |
| 18:22.32 | Titan8990 | ah |
| 18:22.34 | LordMetroid | http://libertarianleft.freeforums.org/ohh-my-this-conversation-i-had-t439.html |
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| 18:22.46 | Titan8990 | i personally live by not debating opinion with people I do business with |
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| 18:22.55 | enouf | jemark: mms:// ? why would you expect it to work? |
| 18:22.56 | LordMetroid | I copied it to show my fellow philosophical argumenting friends |
| 18:22.57 | Titan8990 | politics for example has no business in a work place |
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| 18:23.30 | enouf | jemark: do you know what mms == ? |
| 18:23.34 | dkr | LordMetroid: public logging of chats in freenode ist verboten |
| 18:23.42 | LordMetroid | It is not freenode |
| 18:23.50 | abrotman | dkr: it's not |
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| 18:24.07 | khaije|amalt | aiui it's fairly common |
| 18:24.11 | Titan8990 | dkr, no, its not... #python is logged to public |
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| 18:24.18 | dkr | s/verboten/frowned upon/? coul dof sworn i read it in the freenode.net rules |
| 18:24.33 | enouf | Titan8990: how dare someone make a connection ... |
| 18:24.36 | dkr | anyway, this type of gossip abou people behind their back is silly anyway, let's stop it. :) |
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| 18:25.13 | enouf | didn't realized we had devolved into gossip.. ugh |
| 18:25.13 | LordMetroid | dkr, good advice, I just got so upset at this person |
| 18:25.23 | abrotman | dkr: /topic |
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| 18:26.17 | enouf | looks up the phony darwinian ladder |
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| 18:27.01 | enouf | sees more pr0n than ever imaginageable ;-) |
| 18:27.04 | jemark | enouf, it worked in stable and testing before... |
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| 18:27.11 | dkr | abrotman: ah, yeah, it's still recommends against it in the guidelines, but it's watered down: "If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through. The freenode network is an interactive environment. Even on public channels, most users don't weigh their comments with the idea that they'll be enshrined in perpetuity. For that reason, few participants publish logs. " |
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| 18:27.38 | g00se | What should one do about proc before exiting a chroot - unmount it? |
| 18:27.43 | jemark | enouf, i will install testing again... ;) that should solve this problem... yes mms:// :) |
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| 18:28.41 | dutchfish | g00se, wild gues: nothing, i believe its recreated on re-entry |
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| 18:31.44 | dutchfish | g00se, because its a pseudo-filesystem |
| 18:32.23 | dutchfish | g00se, look at your /etc/fstab |
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| 18:33.03 | g00se | dutchfish: Actually i got problems by not doing so. I wanted to mv the root and there was a lot of bitching as the system thought proc still mounted |
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| 18:33.31 | dutchfish | g00se, you must exclude /proc |
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| 18:33.47 | dutchfish | g00se, or unmount first |
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| 18:35.04 | dutchfish | g00se, man 5 proc |
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| 18:35.34 | g00se | dutchfish: Don't forget this was *after* exiting the chroot |
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| 18:36.47 | dutchfish | g00se, a /proc is only and only then created on kernel boot where there is a mount for it in /etc/fstab |
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| 18:37.28 | dutchfish | g00se, so after you left chroot it should be gone |
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| 18:37.40 | dutchfish | g00se, if it was there in the firts place |
| 18:38.00 | g00se | dutchfish: In this case i mounted it explicitly as that's what i thought you should do in a chroot |
| 18:38.14 | dutchfish | g00se, nope |
| 18:38.31 | dutchfish | g00se, then you should also unmount it |
| 18:39.11 | dutchfish | g00se, rem: a /proc is only for the running kernel |
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| 18:39.31 | g00se | dutchfish: I suppose i did it as i though certain ops would expect it to be mounted |
| 18:39.49 | _abbenormal | how do you stop a screen saver if one is not installed would it be part of power saving function |
| 18:40.03 | g00se | dutchfish: (as if it were a real running kernel) |
| 18:40.23 | dutchfish | g00se, sure, but not inside your chroot, your kernels /proc already lives at your hosts / ie its /proc system |
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| 18:40.46 | dutchfish | g00se, there can only be one |
| 18:41.11 | g00se | dutchfish: Ah i see. So the chroot's apps would 'refer' to the real /proc then? |
| 18:41.12 | linduxed | i understand the answer might be "yes, since the last 5 years" but, does linux in general have full ACL support? |
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| 18:41.23 | abrotman | !acl |
| 18:41.24 | dpkg | acl is, like, Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 18:41.29 | dutchfish | g00se, not sure, but i believe that, yes |
| 18:41.53 | valdyn | g00se: its all the same proc, you can mount it as often as you want |
| 18:42.09 | g00se | dutchfish: Thanks. Most instructive. You too valdyn ;-) |
| 18:42.11 | dutchfish | g00se, unless in a ral vm, where you run your own kernel, but thats another story |
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| 18:42.18 | dutchfish | s/ral/real |
| 18:42.38 | g00se | is actually just looking into Emdebian Grip |
| 18:43.33 | dutchfish | g00se, you also might want to take a peak in pbuilder and its compagnon pbuilder-uml |
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| 18:44.02 | linduxed | abrotman: i take that as a yes |
| 18:44.04 | g00se | dutchfish: Thanks - i shall |
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| 18:44.17 | dutchfish | g00se, good luck |
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| 18:48.33 | remote | i'm trying to burn a dvd+r with dvdrecord but it fails saying my drive doesn't support TAO recording |
| 18:48.52 | dokma | hey guyz.... is there a way to tell the system to not boot xwindow during the boot? |
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| 18:48.54 | remote | when i specify -dao however i get an input/output error |
| 18:49.05 | dokma | I need to go command line first and install gpu drivers |
| 18:49.27 | dokma | I'm using grub |
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| 18:50.20 | remote | dokma: just once or always? |
| 18:50.48 | dokma | remote: just once |
| 18:51.05 | dokma | just to get the drivers up. I'd like to interrupt the boot somehow and go to command line |
| 18:51.15 | remote | you can boot in linux single |
| 18:51.23 | remote | single user mode |
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| 18:51.30 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:51.38 | dokma | remote: how is that done? |
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| 18:52.18 | remote | dokma: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grub-boot-into-single-user-mode/ |
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| 18:53.24 | dokma | remote: excellent |
| 18:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dokma, add "single" to the grub boot command line - you can edit it with 'e', I think (grub will tell you) |
| 18:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or c? |
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| 19:02.10 | sparse | Hi, I search for some program/script that could keep track of my /etc, some kind of at least half automated system, I would use rcs, but it would be problem after each update. Is there something similar in debian? |
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| 19:02.32 | patrikf | sparse: maybe etckeeper |
| 19:03.34 | sparse | patrikf: git or mercurial? |
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| 19:04.11 | patrikf | sparse: supports multiple vcs's |
| 19:04.41 | sparse | patrikf: I know, but I know just rcs, which could me more handy? |
| 19:04.45 | sparse | to learn |
| 19:04.56 | stew | git |
| 19:05.01 | sparse | ok |
| 19:05.05 | patrikf | yes, git is all the hype now :D |
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| 19:05.13 | stew | for good reason |
| 19:05.28 | patrikf | stew: yeah |
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| 19:06.38 | yurikoles | Microsoft Contributes Code to the Linux Kernel http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/NicFill/Microsoft-Contributes-Code-to-the-Linux-Kernel/ |
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| 19:07.43 | Vasistha | hey y'all. At some point apache2 stopped paying attention to the DocumentRoot directive... or maybe the problem is different. I have set DocumentRoot to /var/www but it's still showing me the "It works!" page, instead of my content |
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| 19:09.50 | phorce1 | Vasistha: what's in /var/www/index.html ?? |
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| 19:10.17 | Vasistha | phorce1: "it works!" ... heh, thanks. duh. |
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| 19:11.31 | marcos_onthe_xp | hi |
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| 19:11.59 | marcos_onthe_xp | i am just logged in xp, so do not hate me for my nick. It is just temporary |
| 19:12.12 | marcos_onthe_xp | i am logged in from home on my debian based distro |
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| 19:15.22 | marcos_onthe_xp | anyone familiar with the debian build environment? |
| 19:15.45 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 19:15.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:15.47 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: many people are |
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| 19:17.42 | marcos_onthe_xp | hi Rexy-Craxy |
| 19:17.48 | Rexy-Craxy | hi |
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| 19:17.59 | marcos_onthe_xp | we are trying to automate package building for a distro for animators called animux |
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| 19:18.07 | marcos_onthe_xp | it is debian based. |
| 19:18.22 | marcos_onthe_xp | and we have been working on building a build environment |
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| 19:18.37 | marcos_onthe_xp | Rexy-Craxy: can you take over |
| 19:18.41 | marcos_onthe_xp | i have to go into a meeting. |
| 19:18.42 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: ask #animux |
| 19:19.18 | aboyz | I know you can use .htaccess to protect a single files, but can you use .htaccess to protect a specifc URL? instead of file? anyone know if that is possible. I can't find any how to do single URL. I can do single file though.. |
| 19:20.01 | marcos_onthe_xp | yes |
| 19:20.18 | stew | aboyz: use <Location> instead of <Files> or <Directory> |
| 19:20.21 | marcos_onthe_xp | stew: I do not follow |
| 19:20.24 | marcos_onthe_xp | ask #animux |
| 19:20.55 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: yes, if you have questions related to the animux distro, they should be in animux instead of here, this is for a different distro named debian |
| 19:21.07 | stew | "in #animux" rather |
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| 19:21.44 | yziquel | hi. is there any tool in Debian which can determine the encoding of a given text file? |
| 19:21.48 | marcos_onthe_xp | I am tge guy behind animux |
| 19:21.53 | tarzeau | yziquel: yes |
| 19:21.54 | marcos_onthe_xp | i want to know how debian set up the |
| 19:22.02 | marcos_onthe_xp | build environment for their packages |
| 19:22.05 | stew | yziquel: try "file /path/to/file" |
| 19:22.20 | marcos_onthe_xp | i have to go to meeting stew |
| 19:22.22 | marcos_onthe_xp | i will be back. |
| 19:22.36 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: the debian autobuilders use the sbuild package |
| 19:22.44 | yziquel | stew: it gives me only "Perl5 module source text" while it is a java source file. no mention of encoding. |
| 19:22.49 | marcos_onthe_xp | but the infrastructure |
| 19:22.54 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: they run sbuild |
| 19:22.55 | marcos_onthe_xp | how do you get the source codes for your packages |
| 19:22.58 | marcos_onthe_xp | is it manual |
| 19:23.08 | marcos_onthe_xp | how to you know which packages to build |
| 19:23.09 | marcos_onthe_xp | etc |
| 19:23.18 | marcos_onthe_xp | i will be back in an hour. |
| 19:23.33 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: the debian devoplers upload them, they are checked by dak, and possibly handed off to the autobuilders |
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| 19:23.50 | Rexy-Craxy | stew, dak? |
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| 19:24.08 | stew | Rexy-Craxy: the "debian archive kit", which is the software which maintains the archive |
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| 19:24.17 | Kraftzwerk | i'm experiencing some kind of horizontal blur when using an external LCD with my eee 1000H. any suggestions what this might be? |
| 19:24.18 | stew | Rexy-Craxy: http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git/ |
| 19:24.20 | Rexy-Craxy | thx |
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| 19:24.59 | stew | Rexy-Craxy: which is probably something you'd want to avoid, its not lightweight at all |
| 19:25.06 | magnuX | Kraftzwerk, did you configure the Horizontal and Vertical refresh rate for that monitor in the xorg config file? |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | Kraftzwerk: near some power lines ? |
| 19:25.18 | yziquel | stew: nothing more specific than "file"? |
| 19:25.25 | Rexy-Craxy | stew, any articles about debian's automated build system? |
| 19:25.30 | yziquel | stew: to test the encoding of a file? |
| 19:26.05 | Kraftzwerk | magnux: not yet, abrotman: in fact the monitors power chord an the vga cable do cross... |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | yziquel: did you try it yet ? |
| 19:26.23 | abrotman | Kraftzwerk: i didn't mean the laptop power .. i meant like in the wall or to a monitor nearby |
| 19:26.26 | stew | Rexy-Craxy: i don't know. try googling for "sbuild", "wanna-build" |
| 19:26.34 | Rexy-Craxy | stew, thx |
| 19:26.35 | yziquel | abrotman: i tried it. it gave me "Perl5 module source text" for a java source file. |
| 19:26.43 | yziquel | abrotman: no mention of encoding. |
| 19:26.49 | stew | Rexy-Craxy: http://wiki.debian.org/buildd |
| 19:26.54 | Kraftzwerk | abrotman: i know, thats what i said and thats whats happening ^^ thx |
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| 19:28.01 | Ricoshady | I created a sym link for rewite.load in mods-available, and retarted spache and its not loaded, any ideas? |
| 19:28.06 | magnuX | Kraftzwerk, try using H-V refresh rate in your xorg.conf file |
| 19:28.13 | magnuX | it may help |
| 19:28.31 | abrotman | Ricoshady: a2enmod ? |
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| 19:29.37 | stew | yziquel: if its java source code, then it must be UTF-8, afaik |
| 19:30.04 | yziquel | stew: i know, but it complains about not being utf-8... |
| 19:30.10 | stew | yziquel: what is "it"? |
| 19:30.15 | yziquel | stew: that's why i want to know the encoding. |
| 19:30.17 | yziquel | stew: ant |
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| 19:30.27 | stew | yziquel: then it is probably impossible to know the encoding automatically |
| 19:30.35 | yziquel | stew: but to guess? |
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| 19:30.43 | yziquel | stew: heuristically? |
| 19:30.44 | stew | yziquel: sure, go for it |
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| 19:30.46 | stew | yziquel: how? |
| 19:30.57 | yziquel | stew: that's what i'm looking for. |
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| 19:31.04 | stew | yziquel: i can't see how that would be possible |
| 19:31.15 | yziquel | stew: going to try ujguess in libunicode-japanese-perl |
| 19:31.44 | stew | yziquel: convert it from latin1 to utf-8, then look at the file, and fix whatever might look wrong |
| 19:31.45 | g00se | After having just edited menu.lst by hand i've a vague recollection you're not meant to. Is that right? |
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| 19:32.09 | stew | g00se: you are meant to. there are sections of that file that you shouldn't edit however (the "AUTOMAGIC" section) |
| 19:32.22 | stew | g00se: if you've edited the automagic section, we can help you do it the right way |
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| 19:33.23 | g00se | stew: Well i just appended something before ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
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| 19:34.10 | stew | g00se: you should move to be AFTER the end of that section, or else the thing you added will be gone the next time "update-grub" is run (which is run, for instance, when you install/upgrade/remove a kernel) |
| 19:34.54 | g00se | stew: Ah OK. I'll move it to after that unless you say otherwise |
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| 19:35.55 | Mtraker | nas |
| 19:35.59 | Mtraker | sorry |
| 19:36.30 | stew | doesn't say otherwise |
| 19:36.43 | stew | g00se: though, what is this? a kernel that doesn't appear in /boot ? |
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| 19:38.29 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a confgurable item in pam that prevents a user using the same password as anyother user? |
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| 19:38.47 | g00se | stew: Well i'm just doing an experiment with Grip. The new menu.lst is here http://pastebin.com/f428bbcc5 |
| 19:39.12 | stew | g00se: looks fine to me |
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| 19:40.16 | g00se | stew: That's good. I'm not too sure about disks though. It's on the second disk. The box boots from the first, there is no mbr on the second |
| 19:40.39 | macrobat | is there some way to increase scrollback in a virtual console? |
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| 19:41.06 | yziquel | stew: and how do you convert from latin-1 to utf-8? |
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| 19:41.37 | stew | yziquel: with iconv. but if you think the text is japanese, latin-1 is probably not the right charset to convert from |
| 19:41.58 | yziquel | stew: no, the text is java + french strings. |
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| 19:42.09 | yziquel | stew: i'll try iconv. thanks |
| 19:42.33 | yziquel | stew: ujguess gives me "unknown", by the way. |
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| 19:43.24 | stew | yziquel: for french, i'd try latin1 first |
| 19:43.27 | g00se | stew: The second disk usually appears as /dev/hdc1, but i'm getting confused with the device name ... |
| 19:43.45 | \amethyst | latin1 or latin9 |
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| 19:45.28 | g00se | yziquel: My table might help you http://technojeeves.com/joomla/index.php/free/48-iso8859-1 |
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| 19:45.35 | \amethyst | or even windows-1252 |
| 19:45.46 | yziquel | g00se: thanks. having a look |
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| 19:50.29 | EugenMayer | is there a perl version in debian which is ActivePerl (i686-linux-thread-multi) binary compatible? |
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| 19:57.53 | reeher | I've just been given the go ahead to begin testing GNU/Linux on laptops for our department. One of the challenges I'm encountering in replacing the functionality of Windows is simple network drive mapping. Where would I look to find help in building a script that will map a user's drives at logon? I can't use fstab, because I'll eventually be using LDAP to run scripts according to groups. Ideas, suggestions? |
| 19:58.29 | reeher | I need a seperate script that can be executed after the user is authenicated by the LDAP server. |
| 19:58.44 | bluethundr___ | what package has the gd library in it? |
| 19:59.43 | reeher | bluethundr___: what's the gd library used for/in? |
| 19:59.49 | bluethundr___ | nagios |
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| 20:00.41 | reeher | Looking.. found the debug symbols.. one sec. |
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| 20:01.05 | bluethundr___ | reeher: cool thanks |
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| 20:03.25 | reeher | bluethundr___: I'd venture to say libgd2-xpm or something thereabouts. do a man apt-cache and read about depends and show |
| 20:03.59 | helo | cafuego: contrats on your publication :D |
| 20:04.11 | helo | congrats as well |
| 20:04.34 | bluethundr___ | reeher: good advice thanks |
| 20:05.25 | bluethundr___ | I think php5-gd did the trick |
| 20:06.29 | reeher | bluethundr___: btw, I was not meaning to be facetious, but I learned the hard way to not ask for "how do I do this" but to ask for suggestions on "where to start".. :) |
| 20:06.38 | reeher | Heh, feh, missed him... |
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| 20:08.42 | abrotman | reeher: like a windows share home ? |
| 20:08.52 | abrotman | reeher: you can do home on NFS .. is that what you want ? |
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| 20:11.47 | reeher | Basically.. but we have several drives that need to be mapped, depending on an individual's group. Since our department is distributed, it's not very sensible to just map them statically. Right now I have a logon scrip in Active Directory and a script on a web page, but I'd like to do this the right way and not rely on AD for the Linux logons. |
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| 20:11.58 | caden | where can i view the logs of su / sudo on debian? and/or root logons? |
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| 20:12.03 | phorce1 | what would cause update-grub to get the automagic section badly wrong after a drive swap and manual correction? |
| 20:12.07 | caden | i think someone may have been messing with my compy |
| 20:12.17 | keith4 | auth.log |
| 20:12.33 | stew | caden: /var/log/auth.log ; of course, this file can be altered by root |
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| 20:12.56 | JyZyGyZyX | Enter volume size (sizeK/size[M]/sizeG): |
| 20:12.59 | phorce1 | caden: and install fail2ban after you change all your passwords |
| 20:13.17 | JyZyGyZyX | i sure fucking hope their G means 1000 and not 1024 |
| 20:13.29 | abrotman | JyZyGyZyX: really .. what if it doesn't? |
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| 20:13.44 | caden | thank you keith4 and stew-- i am more of a dev than an admin, don't have to look this stuff up too often |
| 20:13.45 | JyZyGyZyX | i would be doing it all over again |
| 20:14.08 | caden | thanks phorce1 i will look up fail2ban too |
| 20:15.01 | phorce1 | my grub menu.lst has all the root= entries set to UUID=f9548ead-xxxxxxx etc. But ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ shows NO drive with that UUID |
| 20:15.29 | stew | phorce1: sounds like you need to edit the kopt= line |
| 20:16.17 | phzin | away: [casa, volto amanhã! :)] [desde: 17:16, page: on] |
| 20:16.37 | stew | phzin: please turn that off in here |
| 20:16.38 | phorce1 | stew: it's commented out |
| 20:16.54 | stew | phorce1: no, its not, its expected to start with one #, the comments start with two ## |
| 20:17.08 | phorce1 | stew: Oh, crap |
| 20:17.13 | phorce1 | stew: thx |
| 20:17.15 | stew | phorce1: read the surrounding comments, edit that line, then run "update-grub" again |
| 20:17.31 | stew | phorce1: and yes, this system is silly and confusing |
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| 20:19.05 | marcos_onthe_xp | stew: I am back |
| 20:19.24 | phorce1 | stew: much better (and root=LABEL=root is much cleaner) |
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| 20:20.35 | marcos_onthe_xp | how do you automate your build's stew |
| 20:20.45 | Clessmo | hello |
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| 20:21.15 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: using dak, wanna-build, sbuild |
| 20:21.54 | Pudgy | Hi all, does anyone know which package to install after apt-getting Ldap-account-manager to get ldap extension for php installed? (lam complains about it) |
| 20:21.57 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ |
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| 20:22.35 | asg | Pudgy: it's generally something like php5-ldap ; apt-cache search php ldap |
| 20:22.47 | taras | grrr my touchpad started moving slowly somewhy ^^ |
| 20:22.50 | Clessmo | the tsting is bugged ???? |
| 20:22.54 | \amethyst | Pudgy: it depends on php5-ldap, so you already have it |
| 20:23.01 | Clessmo | impossible to login after a fresh install |
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| 20:23.07 | taras | X got auto configured to 1200 dpi mouse? |
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| 20:23.30 | phorce1 | stew: now if I could figure out why the default root device and the device.map don't agree after a grub-mkdevicemap. It boots so I'm kinda twitchy about messing with it |
| 20:23.43 | Clessmo | someone tried ? |
| 20:23.50 | stew | phorce1: what do you mean by "default root device"? |
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| 20:24.23 | NeoLobster | I have an apt-get/dpkg issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a package that I've manually installed using dpkg --force-depends -i <package> that has "broken" dependencies, but I know it works just fine. Now, whenever I try to install a package with apt-get install <packagename> it complains about the dependency for that package that I installed using dpkg. Is there a way to make apt-get ignore dependencies for that package pe |
| 20:24.31 | marcos_onthe_xp | so where do you store the code stew ? in a repository. |
| 20:24.34 | Pudgy | \amethyst: still I got the error message:"Your php got no Ldap support" by firing up localhost/lam, trying the php5-ldap and seeing what will happen ;) |
| 20:24.38 | marcos_onthe_xp | teh source code for the packages? |
| 20:24.51 | \amethyst | Pudgy: did you restart your web server after installing it? |
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| 20:25.03 | marcos_onthe_xp | yes |
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| 20:25.45 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: on ftp-master.debian.org, mantained by dak |
| 20:25.47 | \amethyst | Pudgy: you should now have a file /etc/php5/conf.d/ldap.ini ... but the web server has to be restarted to see it and load the php5-ldap module |
| 20:25.59 | phorce1 | stew: sorry, boot ==== menu.lst has (hd0,0) for all entries. My actual boot drive is hd3 (which maps as /dev/hdc) |
| 20:25.59 | marcos_onthe_xp | is there an architecture diagram for the debian set up? |
| 20:26.02 | \amethyst | Pudgy: for mod-php to see it that is |
| 20:26.05 | marcos_onthe_xp | so we can follow that ourselfs. |
| 20:26.07 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: debian's system for doing these things is very complicated, and not something you want to be using it |
| 20:26.08 | marcos_onthe_xp | ourselves |
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| 20:26.12 | Pudgy | \amethyst: yes i did... and lost my uptime of 206d *cry* |
| 20:26.16 | marcos_onthe_xp | I do not watn to rebuild the wheel. |
| 20:26.17 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: you don't want our system |
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| 20:26.34 | marcos_onthe_xp | rather |
| 20:26.43 | marcos_onthe_xp | reinvent the wheel* |
| 20:26.43 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git/ is the code that maintains the repository |
| 20:26.57 | stew | phorce1: the #groot= line (which works like #kopt=) |
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| 20:28.06 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: our recommendation is that you not use dak unless you are maintaining many thousands of packages |
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| 20:28.35 | marcos_onthe_xp | ah. |
| 20:28.50 | marcos_onthe_xp | the problem we run into is that our distro uses around 1000 packages |
| 20:28.57 | marcos_onthe_xp | and teh code we need is quite new. |
| 20:29.00 | phorce1 | stew: yeah, but it boots with (hd0,0) When I tested by editing the command during my last reboot it didn't work with (hd3,0) |
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| 20:29.06 | marcos_onthe_xp | compared to debian stable |
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| 20:29.16 | marcos_onthe_xp | so that has become a problem |
| 20:29.23 | phorce1 | stew: I see the groot line, I just don't want to futz with it |
| 20:29.28 | marcos_onthe_xp | for us to maintain the packages has been a nightmare. |
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| 20:29.34 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: same for us |
| 20:29.52 | marcos_onthe_xp | our latest problem is that dependance of packages removes teh dhcp3 client |
| 20:30.00 | marcos_onthe_xp | and the user has no network once that is gone. |
| 20:30.03 | marcos_onthe_xp | bizarre! |
| 20:30.19 | marcos_onthe_xp | stew: which distro are you talking about "same for us? |
| 20:30.23 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: debian |
| 20:30.32 | marcos_onthe_xp | hahahaha |
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| 20:30.53 | marcos_onthe_xp | here is another question.. |
| 20:30.54 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: but by the sound of your problem, your problems sound different than ours, and sound like a package maintainer problem, not a archive maintainence problem |
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| 20:31.15 | stew | (not sure why saying debian would cause laughter) |
| 20:31.25 | marcos_onthe_xp | it is one of the debian packages that takes out the dhcp client |
| 20:31.33 | marcos_onthe_xp | nope |
| 20:31.36 | asg | stew: only us old crotchety folk use debian |
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| 20:31.38 | marcos_onthe_xp | I was under the impression |
| 20:31.44 | marcos_onthe_xp | you were |
| 20:31.59 | marcos_onthe_xp | also a off-shoot of the debian distro |
| 20:32.09 | abrotman | less enter key ... |
| 20:32.19 | asg | more cowbell |
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| 20:37.03 | phorce1 | stew: http://pastebin.com/d3b7ea05c it's odd, but it works. |
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| 20:37.41 | marcos_onthe_xp | so in debian do you have an architecture diagram of how your packaging building env is set up |
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| 20:39.45 | marcos_onthe_xp | stew: |
| 20:39.52 | marcos_onthe_xp | architecture diagram? |
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| 20:42.50 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: nope |
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| 20:43.18 | husimon | hey does anyone know where I can look to find out what filesystem is best for ~1tb fs with large files? |
| 20:43.20 | stew | marcos_onthe_xp: see http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/wanna-build-states http://wiki.debian.org/buildd |
| 20:44.13 | Iu | this is probably off topic (and by probably I mean it is), but is there any other major/minor I should look into other than computer science if I want to do networking/system administration? |
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| 20:44.23 | ajavid | husimon, large files? probably ext4 |
| 20:44.25 | nkuttler | husimon: define best |
| 20:44.53 | ajavid | !fs comparison |
| 20:44.53 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 20:44.55 | asg | Iu: I studied philosophy and classical languages before becoming and admin |
| 20:45.03 | Iu | ._. |
| 20:45.08 | Iu | asg: and that's your career now? |
| 20:45.10 | ajavid | hey |
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| 20:45.16 | ajavid | are you calling me old and crotchety? |
| 20:45.18 | husimon | nkuttler, i guess best performance, read, write. |
| 20:45.21 | ajavid | better watch it dude |
| 20:45.28 | ajavid | I'm still a youngin |
| 20:45.35 | asg | Iu: I now hire admins |
| 20:45.41 | unop | Iu, i tried a year of maths and physics (and quit) before i became one |
| 20:45.42 | nkuttler | husimon: yeah, well, get a raid then |
| 20:45.43 | ajavid | asg, oh you're old! ;) |
| 20:45.51 | husimon | yeah it's hw raid 5 already |
| 20:45.59 | asg | ajavid: not that old but getting there ;) |
| 20:46.02 | Iu | well that sure doesn't give me the impression that college is useless :( |
| 20:46.12 | ajavid | asg, my ex used debian, she was 21 |
| 20:46.16 | husimon | i'll check out those websites |
| 20:46.22 | ajavid | not old or crotchety at all |
| 20:46.41 | unop | Iu, that's not necessarily true - some degrees are invaluable (or the peices of paper that say you are a graduate are). |
| 20:46.44 | asg | Iu: being able to read, write, think cogently, and at least know what you are doing is very important. |
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| 20:47.06 | stew | husimon: xfs is certainly worth considering |
| 20:47.11 | ajavid | I went to school for music and data forensics... |
| 20:47.15 | ajavid | I was gonna say xfs |
| 20:47.30 | Vasistha | Iu: college gives you an opportunity to study something in depth. You learn skills of studying, problem solving, social networking, and bullshitting. These are all important for many careers (although the latter two somewhat less so for sysadmin) |
| 20:47.34 | asg | I remember 21, kinda |
| 20:47.44 | themill | stew: are you still collecting packages that need purging from security.debian.org because the package is no longer in the archive? libperl5.8 and nagios2 are both in lenny/updates but not in lenny. |
| 20:47.48 | Iu | really |
| 20:47.55 | Iu | I think bullshitting is very important no matter what you do |
| 20:48.14 | ajavid | you don't have to go to school. if you have a diploma and bullshitting you can pretty much get aything done |
| 20:48.20 | stew | themill: i still have code in my home directory on ftp-master that I'm suppoesd to be merging into dak, I haven't looked at it in months :) |
| 20:48.21 | ajavid | in* |
| 20:48.24 | unop | Iu, well, this is credible bullshitting - the stuff that looks good on paper, etc :) |
| 20:48.26 | Vasistha | Iu: yeah -- you don't want to bullshit the network params, but you might need to bullshit paperwork for an idiot boss. |
| 20:48.27 | asg | Iu: it can be as long as you can pull it off |
| 20:48.38 | stew | themill: i'll pass it along |
| 20:48.47 | themill | stew: heh. Those two packages have just been causing some chaos in #d on oftc, fwiw. |
| 20:48.57 | Iu | heh |
| 20:49.16 | ajavid | still can't run mysql-workbench on stable |
| 20:49.17 | ajavid | this sucks |
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| 20:50.05 | ajavid | Iu, I having worked for a few companies, some relly big ones, and some small ones |
| 20:50.10 | themill | stew: actually, if you've got an etch box with nagios2 installed, that stale package around makes etch->lenny *much* harder |
| 20:50.13 | SparFux | Hello all. I want to run chrony, but I have a 5 minutes off problem on every bootup, I think it is caused by hwclock. The hwclock binary might be needed, how am I supposed to switch off hwclock entirely without breaking anything though? |
| 20:50.40 | Iu | I guess |
| 20:50.43 | ajavid | Iu, I have pretty much come to the conclusion that I can't work for anyone, I can't do it. Even if its something I am supposed to do, I can't stand people telling me what to do, or anyone else looking over my shoulder or whatever |
| 20:51.00 | ajavid | Iu, I have since started my own company, I make literally twice as much, and with about 50% less headache |
| 20:51.04 | stew | themill: i've certainly noticed that there seemed to be no good plan for the etch/nagios2 lenny/nagios3 transition |
| 20:51.14 | Iu | interesting |
| 20:51.23 | ajavid | Iu, I didn't even to go school for computer stuff, and I'm a software developer |
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| 20:51.26 | ajavid | (fairly decent one I'd say) |
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| 20:52.19 | themill | stew: it's not even that; the nagios2 from lenny/updates gets picked up and then leaves libperl5.8 as a broken package |
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| 20:53.21 | stew | themill: hmm, seems to me I was ending up with no nagios at all installed |
| 20:54.17 | ajavid | does anyone know of anothe tool besides mysql-workbench (something pref. in debian) that can generate a visual representation (ER) diagrams of a mysql database? |
| 20:54.45 | themill | stew: sounds likely too... I think this guy was telling aptitude "no no, I want nagios to stay installed" |
| 20:54.46 | stew | ythemill: but yeah, in any case, I'm trying to get them removed |
| 20:54.54 | themill | :) |
| 20:55.10 | asg | ajavid: mysql-navigator but I haven't looked at it in a long time |
| 20:55.12 | stew | or get someone to confirm that I can remove them |
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| 20:58.14 | ajavid | asg, thats not it |
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| 21:03.30 | ajavid | asg, it doesn't do what I need |
| 21:03.44 | ajavid | onlything so far is mysql-workbench which is too new for stable |
| 21:03.52 | ajavid | according to #mysql |
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| 21:04.25 | ajavid | seriously wtf, man, there is only 1 open source solutions I've found so far, msyql-workbench, which is beta and fairly new, with bugs |
| 21:05.05 | asg | ajavid: what does mysql-workbench depend on? |
| 21:05.08 | ajavid | I'm seriously having a hard time believing that there has never been a need for this in the open source world. I'm mean... there is only msyql-workbench or schemaspy.jar and everything else is commercial |
| 21:05.19 | ajavid | asg, new version libs of almost everything that is not in stable |
| 21:05.26 | ajavid | I tried backporting a lot I tried everything I know |
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| 21:05.35 | ajavid | I was able to build xorg 7.4 on stable, but I can't get this built. |
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| 21:05.46 | ajavid | this is making me fucking crazy... wHAT THE ao;idfu;ilashdfkalsdf |
| 21:05.49 | ajavid | goddamn. |
| 21:06.15 | stew | ajavid: "mysqldump -t" gives a visual representation of the database :) |
| 21:06.20 | ajavid | heh |
| 21:06.32 | asg | ajavid: if it's important, you could run sid in a chroot and run it in that environment I suppose |
| 21:06.38 | ajavid | yup |
| 21:06.44 | dutchfish | ajavid, is this a development box? |
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| 21:07.07 | ajavid | ehhh yeah |
| 21:07.16 | ajavid | but I am using stable mostly only becuase of kde3 |
| 21:07.33 | dutchfish | ajavid, use phpmyadmin (only on 127.0.0.1) |
| 21:07.37 | ajavid | asg, debootstrapping now |
| 21:07.50 | ajavid | dutchfish, afaik, it will only dump 1 table to a pdf file, not entity relationship diags |
| 21:07.57 | ajavid | PMA doesn't do what I require |
| 21:08.12 | stew | mysqldump shows all the relationships |
| 21:08.16 | dutchfish | ajavid, hugh, what you mean? |
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| 21:08.53 | dutchfish | ajavid, or better what you trying to acomplish? |
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| 21:09.24 | ajavid | well |
| 21:09.47 | ajavid | I'm refactoring 90% of a medium size app, in a cakephp framework (client had it developed, had bugs, whatever long story) |
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| 21:09.57 | ajavid | there are no tests written, code is dirty. |
| 21:10.16 | ajavid | I am trying to undrestand the data structures and entity relationship, and then move onto ORM model relations |
| 21:10.30 | ajavid | then I can begin to clean it up, at this stage, I'm currently trying to figure out the data |
| 21:10.45 | ajavid | for this, to make things a bit visual, I'd like a visual representation of the tables |
| 21:10.53 | ajavid | how forien keys are related |
| 21:11.01 | dutchfish | ajavid, well, you need 1. a debugger 2. maybe mytop 3. database optimalisation |
| 21:11.03 | ajavid | pref. using arrows lines etc. etc. |
| 21:11.14 | ajavid | dutchfish, obviously, but I'm not at the debuggin statge yet |
| 21:11.26 | ajavid | I am not looking at the software in runtime just yet |
| 21:11.39 | dutchfish | ajavid, if you just dump the structures and pick them up form there |
| 21:11.47 | dutchfish | ajavid, dia or something |
| 21:12.23 | dutchfish | ajavid, maybe phpmyadmin is enough, depends on the complexity |
| 21:12.35 | ajavid | dutchfish, well yes. The database already exists, and enough fixtures are present for me to fill in arbitrary data |
| 21:12.57 | ajavid | my only goal is to generate a visual representation of the database, and how the relations are relationing |
| 21:13.00 | dutchfish | ajavid, you ar eworking on stored procedures? |
| 21:13.01 | ajavid | relating |
| 21:13.08 | ajavid | dutchfish, not |
| 21:13.32 | dutchfish | ajavid, i would do that arcane way then just mysql prompt |
| 21:13.38 | ajavid | ugh. |
| 21:13.40 | ajavid | :( |
| 21:13.49 | dutchfish | ajavid, that works faster most of the time |
| 21:14.16 | ajavid | I suppose I could just say fuck it, roll up my sleeves and get to it old fashioned |
| 21:14.16 | dutchfish | ajavid, otherwise if you project is that big there are a myriad of non-free tools |
| 21:14.24 | ajavid | its not too big |
| 21:14.27 | ajavid | let me see |
| 21:14.41 | ajavid | dude |
| 21:14.45 | ajavid | 19 models |
| 21:14.55 | ajavid | its a small to semi-medium app |
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| 21:15.32 | dutchfish | ajavid, try phpyadmin and see if thats fits your needs if not, then you clearly need some ide (commerciel) |
| 21:15.40 | ajavid | dutchfish, I'm thinking that too |
| 21:16.00 | ajavid | I'll see what fits my needs best, and if i have to spend money, I guess I could write it off ;) |
| 21:16.10 | ajavid | I'm installing sid in ~/sid32 right now |
| 21:16.20 | dutchfish | ajavid, huhgh??? |
| 21:16.21 | ajavid | lets see if i can get mysql-workbench to function |
| 21:16.48 | ajavid | dutchfish, what? |
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| 21:17.07 | dutchfish | ajavid, there are others to like myselcc and DONT use unstable for this stick to lenny |
| 21:17.19 | dutchfish | s/myselcc/mysqlcc |
| 21:17.28 | ajavid | dutchfish, why not? |
| 21:17.36 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 21:17.36 | dpkg | sid is probably the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 21:17.38 | ajavid | I stick to lenny all the time |
| 21:17.41 | ajavid | dutchfish, dude I'm stoned |
| 21:17.44 | ajavid | Nyle |
| 21:17.45 | ajavid | ffs |
| 21:17.46 | ajavid | :) |
| 21:17.53 | ajavid | I been using sid for 8+ years |
| 21:18.02 | ajavid | i'll be alright, thanks for your concern budd |
| 21:18.33 | ajavid | dutchfish, and I'm installing it in a chroot, so no big deal |
| 21:18.43 | stew | you can tell for sure by the gratuitous, uninterrupted use of enter |
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| 21:18.59 | pappanz_ | I also use sid without problems |
| 21:19.22 | ajavid | yes, yes you can. Usually not though. |
| 21:19.25 | dutchfish | ajavid, http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/gui-tools/5.0.html |
| 21:19.26 | chellomere | noone uses sid without problems |
| 21:20.18 | pappanz_ | chellomere, so let's say no one uses testing or sid without problems |
| 21:20.26 | jelly-home | chellomere: noone uses Debian without problems, they just leave them implied. <g> |
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| 21:20.40 | chellomere | ^^ |
| 21:20.53 | ajavid | man, there are like 7 other computers in this house |
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| 21:21.11 | ajavid | I'll just vnc an xp machine, install mysql-workbench, bind my sql to an ip instead of localhost and use it like that |
| 21:21.16 | ajavid | fuck it, I'm done with this linux crapola. |
| 21:21.20 | jelly-home | noone uses XP without problems, either... it's just a different set of problems |
| 21:21.21 | ajavid | shit never works. |
| 21:21.28 | dutchfish | ajavid, its your party, but dont come wining when it breaks ok? ;) |
| 21:21.41 | ajavid | dutchfish, I never do |
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| 21:21.53 | stew | (hah) |
| 21:22.03 | pappanz__ | apt-listbugs does the trick for me |
| 21:22.36 | ajavid | apt-listchanges too |
| 21:22.50 | jelly-home | pappanz__: there's always the first 30 sods that get bitten before someone files a bug |
| 21:22.58 | ajavid | dutchfish, I don't think mysql-workbench on an xp machine is going to break my stable debian |
| 21:23.10 | dutchfish | ajavid, bingo |
| 21:23.25 | dutchfish | ajavid, the same for the lnk i gave you |
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| 21:23.34 | pappanz__ | jelly-home, sure, then I'm lucky for now... |
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| 21:24.01 | ajavid | dutchfish, and just fyi, my sid has .30 custom, xorg 7.4, python 2.6 (not system default) and god knows what else, it might as well not even be stable anymore but it is becuase of kde3.5 |
| 21:24.11 | jelly-home | pappanz__: yes you are. |
| 21:24.20 | dutchfish | ajavid, and yes, you need some patience and determination to do it the open source way, i admit |
| 21:24.27 | ajavid | dutchfish, I am going to use mysql-workbench on xp and vnc into it, that way I don't have to much about with this |
| 21:24.34 | ajavid | dutchfish, oh I wish I could atm, man, I got a deadline |
| 21:24.42 | ajavid | :/ I'm in full agreement with you |
| 21:24.45 | dutchfish | ajavid, dont we all ? ;) |
| 21:24.49 | ajavid | sometimes patience is not a good virtue. |
| 21:25.12 | dutchfish | ajavid, oh yes, it pays off most of the time, that doesnt mean being lazy .... |
| 21:25.19 | ajavid | oc |
| 21:26.20 | ajavid | hmm |
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| 21:26.59 | dutchfish | ajavid, and above that, i had to many times that [my other os] crashed just before the dealine, not so with my debian stations ... again its your choice ... |
| 21:27.03 | ajavid | well I'll im installing the sid chroot anyway... later I'll try to run the binary from dev.mysql and if it doesn't work, I'll try to build from source and if it fails, then screw it |
| 21:27.20 | ajavid | dutchfish, dude, lenny has NOT crashed on me EVER! |
| 21:27.28 | dutchfish | ajavid, well then |
| 21:27.29 | ajavid | one time I had a problem with xorg 7.4 on lenny with compiz |
| 21:27.38 | ajavid | but after that it has never locked or crashed, EVER |
| 21:27.54 | ajavid | I don't trust any other distro claiming to be 'stable' |
| 21:27.55 | compilerwriter | ok folks I seem to have gotten nvidia installed at least partly. I see the nvidia splash screen as x starts, but then I end up with a screen which has the debian background and a pointer but no kicker or anything else. Could someone please tell me what I am doing wrong. |
| 21:27.59 | ajavid | not gonna happen. |
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| 21:28.53 | ranix | how did this turn from bitching that mysql-workbench doesn't come in Linux flavor to bitching about KDE |
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| 21:29.11 | ranix | I think you're solidly in offtopic conversation now and have been for quite some time |
| 21:29.19 | ajavid | and you're on fucking crack. stfu. |
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| 21:29.25 | EagleScreen | I need some help with kernel-package please |
| 21:29.30 | ajavid | how did I bitch about kde? |
| 21:29.45 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, just ask |
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| 21:29.56 | ajavid | when did I bitch about mysql-workstation, it could be said im offtopic now after initially having tried to get mysql-workstation to work under lenny |
| 21:30.13 | dondelelcaro | ranix, ajavid: please stop or take it to /msg |
| 21:30.15 | EagleScreen | kernel-package stop package building by permissions truble (error 2), see better the output error: http://pastebin.ca/1502463 |
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| 21:31.19 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, you have your source in /usr/src/foo and not compiling as root? |
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| 21:32.00 | EagleScreen | yes, exactly dutchfish |
| 21:32.18 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, you did adduser you src ? |
| 21:32.35 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, added yourself to the group src |
| 21:32.42 | ajavid | dutchfish, thank you very much for your time. I think I'll just go the oldschool route, and get this done. I can't spend anymore hours trying to get this thing to work. |
| 21:32.44 | EagleScreen | i will try |
| 21:32.53 | dutchfish | ajavid, yw |
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| 21:33.08 | ajavid | stew, -t is default on mysql (according to the manpage) |
| 21:33.27 | ajavid | Display output in table format. This is the default for interactive use, but can be used to produce table output in batch mode. |
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| 21:33.44 | EagleScreen | there is any user in src group |
| 21:33.58 | compilerwriter | If I try to fire up xterm it gives me a complaint about DISPLAY is not set |
| 21:34.02 | EagleScreen | must I add only me, or also root? |
| 21:34.12 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, can you tell me what cat /etc/group | grep src gvies ? |
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| 21:34.40 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, only the user that does the actual compile |
| 21:34.52 | EagleScreen | the user is root, i think |
| 21:34.58 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, dont |
| 21:35.02 | EagleScreen | i used su to become root in the shell |
| 21:35.43 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, adduser [you, but not root] src |
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| 21:36.30 | EagleScreen | the output of 'cat /etc/group | grep src' is 'src:x:40:' |
| 21:36.50 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, yup thought so, so you have to add the user that doe sth ecmpile |
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| 21:37.06 | EagleScreen | okay, added now |
| 21:37.10 | EagleScreen | try again? |
| 21:37.21 | dutchfish | !tell EagleScreen about kp-mantra |
| 21:38.09 | EagleScreen | what kp-mantra is? |
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| 21:38.28 | Tramp | dist-upgraded squeeze on my laptop which pulled in kvirc4.0. Now font-rendering seems broken (no aliasing). Any idea what I could look for? |
| 21:38.33 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, a oneliner how to compile and make an instalable package of the kernel |
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| 21:38.57 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, that way you can install and remov eit eaely without breaking the system |
| 21:39.20 | EagleScreen | i am using make-kpkg --initrd binary |
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| 21:40.00 | g00se | Eaglescreen: you might try chmod -R 0755 (taking message at face value) |
| 21:40.22 | g00se | Eaglescreen: chmod -R 0755 . |
| 21:40.22 | EagleScreen | i tried it |
| 21:40.42 | EagleScreen | but, must I do it over /usr/src/linux folder? |
| 21:41.03 | g00se | Eaglescreen: The current one |
| 21:41.03 | Sakkath | hey guys, i used guided partitioning with lvm and didn't change anything from default (this is installed on a hardware raid5 with 4 36gb scsi drives) and when i go to boot, grub says it can't find /dev/mapper/my-root-volume and eventually gives up waiting for root and drops to busybox. in busybox, the only thing in /dev/mapper is 'control.' when i try to get into my system with the rescue mode from the cd, it works fine. |
| 21:41.10 | Sakkath | is there a problem with my initrd or something? |
| 21:41.26 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
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| 21:42.25 | EagleScreen | i have compiled the kernel many times, I wrote a guide to novel users about how to compile the kernel in Debian |
| 21:42.45 | jelly-home | Sakkath: is /boot inside lvm, too? |
| 21:42.51 | g00se | EagleScreen: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-dpkg-bugs@lists.debian.org/msg06311.html |
| 21:43.06 | jelly-home | Sakkath: if it is, you'll need grub2 |
| 21:43.35 | Sakkath | jelly-home: no. the guided w/lvm puts /boot as the first primary partition. and also i did try the expert install and used grub2, but still left the partition scheme the guided default, and it still happened |
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| 21:45.08 | jelly-home | Sakkath: all right, so you have a setup that should probably work, but doesn't. If there's no expert answers here in a reasonable timeframe, try asking #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, that's the installer people channel |
| 21:45.28 | Sakkath | jelly-home: ok, thanks! |
| 21:45.40 | Sakkath | and i've asked in here on at least 2 other occasions, as well as EFnet/#debian |
| 21:46.07 | jelly-home | debian-user mailing list is a good generic place to ask stuff, too |
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| 21:46.49 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, drwxrwsr-x 4 root src /usr/src |
| 21:47.32 | g00se | Eaglescreen: Did you confirm that chmod worked? stat --printf "%a\n" . |
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| 21:48.06 | EagleScreen | yes, chmod change permissions, apparently |
| 21:48.32 | g00se | Eaglescreen: Please post results of above |
| 21:48.39 | EagleScreen | ok |
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| 21:49.12 | EagleScreen | oh |
| 21:49.12 | ls | hii i every body |
| 21:49.20 | EagleScreen | /usr/src has 2775 |
| 21:49.26 | ls | i have a problem |
| 21:49.45 | ls | but i speak little english |
| 21:50.03 | ls | i leaving turkey |
| 21:50.13 | jelly-home | !tr |
| 21:50.13 | dpkg | hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 21:50.18 | compilerwriter | Is there anybody on who can help me figure out what is wrong with my xwin? |
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| 21:50.53 | ls | and i download debain sid sistem |
| 21:50.56 | ls | ? |
| 21:51.18 | ls | sorry debian sid net isntall cd |
| 21:51.25 | EagleScreen | how can i change permissions to 0775 or 0755 from 2775? |
| 21:51.28 | ajavid | dutchfish, hey |
| 21:51.37 | ls | ftp adress? |
| 21:51.47 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, 2775 is fine |
| 21:51.49 | stew | ls: don't use sid installer, use lenny installer |
| 21:51.49 | g00se | Eaglescreen: You're not actually *in* the source tree are you? |
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| 21:52.03 | ajavid | dutchfish, http://ws.podzone.org:8181/output/tables/auction_management.html <-- look what came out of schema spy (kinda sorta what I was after but not quite) |
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| 21:53.05 | EagleScreen | /usr/src has 2775 and /usr/src/linux also 2775, it need 0755 according to the error message |
| 21:53.38 | stew | EagleScreen: what is giving you that error message? |
| 21:53.42 | smokes | hey, I've got an what's likely to be an unpopular question... |
| 21:53.48 | stew | EagleScreen: (I'd say whatever it is is broken) |
| 21:54.00 | stew | EagleScreen: (i'd also say that using /usr/src/linux in the first place is broken) |
| 21:54.07 | EagleScreen | kernel-package is giving me the error message |
| 21:54.24 | stew | EagleScreen: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:54.59 | smokes | I've got only 60MB ram, and had to make some browser changes...but I once ran XP on this same computer and the RAM wasn't showing signs of fatigue... |
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| 21:55.17 | smokes | basically...wtf? |
| 21:55.20 | EagleScreen | http://pastebin.ca/1502463 |
| 21:55.26 | stew | smokes: you'd have to ask a more specific question |
| 21:56.02 | mjt | smokes: in any way, 60megs is too few by todays standards. Very few sites are viewable with that amount of memory... |
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| 21:56.14 | EagleScreen | the command is 'make-kpkg --initrd binary' and the output this: http://pastebin.ca/1502463 |
| 21:56.22 | smokes | more specifically, what kind of diabolical ability did XP have, that allowed it to run on 60megs of RAM? |
| 21:56.29 | greg606 | hi |
| 21:56.45 | smokes | hey greg |
| 21:56.50 | g00se | smokes: what does 'had to make some browser changes' mean? |
| 21:56.54 | greg606 | how to create nameservers? ;) |
| 21:57.02 | greg606 | i have webmin |
| 21:57.09 | mjt | smokes: try linux version from 2002 - it will run on 60megs too |
| 21:57.10 | nkuttler | !webmin |
| 21:57.10 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 21:57.43 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, you only get that error if you compile as root |
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| 21:58.03 | smokes | iceweasel and epiphany couldn't run on my 60megs, I've got debian working just fine now, but I can't help wondering how I could run XP on 60 megs...thats a hell of an anomaly |
| 21:58.13 | EagleScreen | I thought it is necessary compile as root |
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| 21:58.24 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, nope |
| 21:58.24 | g00se | Eaglescreen: That paste didn't show the prompt and command |
| 21:58.47 | EagleScreen | my promt and command are in spanish |
| 21:59.00 | dutchfish | g00se, 59. root@kairi:/usr/src/linux# |
| 21:59.08 | greg606 | come on ;) so? |
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| 21:59.28 | mjt | smokes: debian potato (2.0) will work just fine. Including whatever version of Netscape (4?) it was at the time... |
| 21:59.45 | EagleScreen | when i set LANG=en, a lot of locale warnings appears and the output is giant |
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| 21:59.58 | aliceinwire | how i can watch dvd ? |
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| 22:00.05 | g00se | dutchfish: Surely he shouldn't be *in* the source tree? |
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| 22:00.09 | aliceinwire | it say that i have not enough right |
| 22:00.11 | mjt | EagleScreen: use LANG=C or unset LANG |
| 22:00.22 | nkuttler | aliceinwire: pastebin the error |
| 22:00.26 | smokes | The base CPU memory used for XP was huge compared to debian, did they slip in some kind of virtual machine when I wasn't looking or something like that? |
| 22:00.38 | stew | smokes: no |
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| 22:01.15 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, http://pastebin.ca/1502514 (as non-root, but user added to group src |
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| 22:01.41 | mjt | it looks like smokes wants flamewars, nothing more |
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| 22:01.45 | g00se | smokes: I'd say iceweasel needs >=256 |
| 22:01.47 | EagleScreen | dutchfish: then i have to chmod /usr/src/linux |
| 22:01.58 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, no 2755 is fine |
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| 22:02.11 | EagleScreen | it is 2754 |
| 22:02.12 | stew | smokes: when I start iceweasel, it uses 450 megs as soon as it has started up |
| 22:02.28 | mjt | dutchfish: 27*7*5 (should be group writable) |
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| 22:02.48 | smokes | I'm happy with debian, and you got's got me running just fine, but I can't help but wonder how the hell Xp even worked at all on my old school machine.... |
| 22:02.50 | EagleScreen | yes, 2775 |
| 22:02.56 | EagleScreen | i will set it |
| 22:03.07 | stew | smokes: did you try running firefox 3 on xp with 60 megs of ram? |
| 22:03.22 | g00se | :) |
| 22:03.35 | aliceinwire | http://pastebin.com/d5296e200 |
| 22:03.37 | maligor | xp on 60mb ram? |
| 22:03.49 | dutchfish | mjt, this is my dir inside /usr/src/git/ : drwxr-sr-x 25 wil src 4096 jul 21 19:01 linux-2.6.30.y |
| 22:04.09 | smokes | stew: no it was the base package XP, it just doesn't make any sense at all, now that you guys gave me some pointers on RAM and things like that |
| 22:04.21 | stew | smokes: then I fail to see what your point is at all |
| 22:04.29 | stew | smokes: XP runs fine with 60 megs, so does debian |
| 22:05.10 | stew | smokes: if you want to run applications which are memory hogs like iceweasel on either xp or debian, you need more than 60 megs of memory |
| 22:05.23 | dutchfish | mjt, i can ausre you that its works |
| 22:05.23 | CpR_ | where is the best place to post a bug? I have a problem with the fan that doesn't adapt the speed to the cpu load and is only solved when I return to the kernel 2.6.26-1. With the kernel 2.6.26-2 (in stable and testing) and the kernel 2.6.30 (backports) the laptop shutdowns when a high cpu load is needed (like playing a game or use Virtual Box). |
| 22:05.32 | dutchfish | s/ausre/asure |
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| 22:05.51 | EagleScreen | dutchfish: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 15 Jul 21 17:57 linux -> linux-2.6.30.2/ |
| 22:05.51 | EagleScreen | drwxrwsr-x 24 root src 4096 Jul 22 00:00 linux-2.6.30.2 |
| 22:05.54 | nkuttler | !tell aliceinwire about libdvdcss |
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| 22:06.04 | EagleScreen | and it tell me that i need root privilegies |
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| 22:06.19 | mjt | dutchfish: in order for an ordinary user who's a member of src group to create a file/dir in /usr/src which is group=src, that directory must be group-writable or owned by that ordinary user. |
| 22:06.29 | smokes | but debian isn't a giant memory monster, XP is...maybe I'm just paranoid |
| 22:06.34 | mjt | dutchfish: there's no need to assure me, it's the basics of unix permissions model |
| 22:06.43 | dutchfish | mjt, yep ... its in ...or owned by that user ... |
| 22:06.47 | dokma | hey guys. my resolv.conf has no settings in it. it just contains some warning not to edit it because it is dynamic. however virtualbox is trying to find settings in it and cannot. how do I revert resolv.conf to manual? |
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| 22:07.45 | nkuttler | dokma: hm, is the box offline? |
| 22:07.48 | smokes | I could never be sure just what all came in the xp, and suspected some kinda foul play that would allow it to do that |
| 22:08.15 | dokma | nkuttler: no it's the one I'm chating from |
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| 22:08.50 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, to refit it in short: chown that dir to user:src and compile as that user |
| 22:09.11 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, 2755 is then perfectly fine |
| 22:09.13 | g00se | smokes: the 'foul play' was probably the ancient browser with ancient ability with ancient memory requirements |
| 22:09.38 | mjt | . o O { mosaic } |
| 22:09.43 | nkuttler | dokma: hm, do you run your own nameserver on that box? |
| 22:09.47 | smokes | thanks g00se, that makes sense |
| 22:09.52 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, but /usr/src is 2775 |
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| 22:10.01 | dokma | no I do not |
| 22:10.07 | dokma | it is set to resolve from the router |
| 22:10.14 | dokma | 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:10.26 | nkuttler | dokma: that's not what you said before. |
| 22:10.29 | dokma | but I do run a dns cache on the debian box |
| 22:10.38 | smokes | here's a real question though, what's the lowest level sh on debian? |
| 22:10.38 | g00se | smokes: Get the box back up in XP and run Windows Update on it til you get to IE8 ;-) |
| 22:10.51 | dokma | that's how it was before when I manually wrote it |
| 22:10.53 | nkuttler | smokes: dash is nice |
| 22:10.56 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, hence fakeroot usage see: http://pastebin.ca/1502514 |
| 22:10.57 | stew | smokes: what do you mean by "sh" and "lowest level"? |
| 22:11.03 | dokma | now it works just as before but there is nothing in resolv.conf |
| 22:11.07 | smokes | lol@g00se, I've nearly got debian running perfectly |
| 22:12.01 | smokes | stew: I'm told to login (as a different user) I've got to do it from the lowest level sh... |
| 22:12.15 | stew | smokes: you are told that where? by whom? |
| 22:12.16 | g00se | smokes: That's good news. The bad news is you're not going to get a decent browser on it |
| 22:12.41 | smokes | by the Cpu when I try to login at terminal |
| 22:13.00 | stew | smokes: what exactly does the cpu tell you? |
| 22:13.18 | dokma | nkuttler: when I setup my debian box I edited resolv.conf manually but now it is empty |
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| 22:13.39 | smokes | it tells me this: No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
| 22:13.43 | dokma | nkuttler: do you have any idea on how to make resolv.conf a normal editable thing again? |
| 22:14.09 | stew | smokes: what did you do that gave you that error? |
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| 22:14.51 | smokes | stew: I tried to login as a different user, from the terminal "login xxx" |
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| 22:15.37 | nkuttler | dokma: what do you mean, editable? |
| 22:15.55 | stew | smokes: "login" isn't a command you'd run interactively. if you want to login as a different user, switch to a different vt or logout, or use su |
| 22:15.56 | dokma | containing the nameserver settings |
| 22:16.02 | dokma | so that virtualbox can read it |
| 22:16.18 | nkuttler | dokma: i guess you use dhcp with your router, which overwrites whatever you put there |
| 22:16.18 | dokma | the warning says it will be overwritten on reboot |
| 22:16.27 | dokma | i use static ip |
| 22:16.41 | EagleScreen | please see the promt and the output of my error with kernel-package, stew, g00se, dutchfish |
| 22:16.43 | dokma | that's why it sounds strange to me |
| 22:16.50 | EagleScreen | http://pastebin.ca/1502527 |
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| 22:17.45 | nkuttler | dokma: man resolv.conf and /etc/resolvconf/ i guess |
| 22:17.48 | smokes | stew: your su advice works, but what's vt? |
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| 22:18.20 | stew | smokes: a "virtual terminal". do you login to a graphical login prompt or a text prompt? |
| 22:18.23 | dokma | nkuttler: thank you |
| 22:18.26 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, yup, saw that |
| 22:18.33 | BenF__ | Hello. I need assistance. I'm running a Debian 5.0 server with the administrator username as 'administrator'. Is it possible to rename the user to 'root'? |
| 22:18.49 | smokes | stew: I think I use a text prompt |
| 22:19.12 | stew | smokes: then "alt-f2" would switch to a new vt (and leave the previous vt running on "alt-f1") |
| 22:19.18 | dkr | BenF__: edit /etc/passwd |
| 22:19.28 | EagleScreen | dutchfish: i am going to try setting the own to src, but i have done this many times in other computers as root woithout problems |
| 22:19.42 | EagleScreen | own to src/linux, sorry |
| 22:19.49 | dkr | BenF__: and /etc/shadow and rename home dir of it is not /root |
| 22:20.02 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, nope, since along time in debian this does not compile |
| 22:20.29 | dkr | BenF__: and then please shoot whoever was trying to make linux more like windows, :) |
| 22:20.29 | BenF__ | dkr: in /etc/password is it change this line 'administrator:x:1000:1000:administrator,,,:/home/administrator:/bin/bash' so it becomes 'root:x:1000:1000:root,,,:/home/root:/bin/bash' |
| 22:20.43 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, apart from that you far better of to compile it as non-root user |
| 22:20.52 | dkr | BenF__: just /root is traditional/default root homedir |
| 22:21.10 | dkr | BenF__: wait a minute |
| 22:21.14 | BenF__ | dkr: there is nothing inside /etc/shadow |
| 22:21.29 | smokes | stew: each time I change vt I'll be using a different shell? |
| 22:21.30 | dkr | BenF__: that is not a root account, that is uid 1000 a regular user acocunt |
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| 22:21.36 | EagleScreen | dutchfish: src user does not exist |
| 22:21.48 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, its a group |
| 22:21.50 | stew | smokes: yes |
| 22:22.00 | BenF__ | dkr: hang on. I just noticed inside /etc/passwd there is already a line like this 'root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash' |
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| 22:22.07 | clearscreen | I'm trying to do a netinstall over wireless on debian testing, but installer wont grab an ip over dhcp despite entering correct essid/wep key |
| 22:22.09 | BenF__ | dkr: but there is a administrator too, what the heck? |
| 22:22.15 | dkr | BenF__: it |
| 22:22.22 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, see /cat /etc/group | grep src (so you have to add your non-root user to that group) |
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| 22:22.28 | dkr | BenF__: it's just a regular user account namer administrator |
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| 22:22.51 | smokes | stew: awesome, is there a listing for all the shells that debian uses? I only really know how to use bash (sortof) |
| 22:22.56 | greg606 | will someone help me to set up dns hosts? |
| 22:23.06 | BenF__ | dkr: so the user 'administrator' has the same privileges as if I was to adduser 'dave' using the username 'root' |
| 22:23.12 | stew | smokes: no, that's not what I mean. i mean you could login separately, you'd still get whatever is your default login shell |
| 22:23.14 | EagleScreen | linux folder is already in src group, and my user is in src group, i added it before when you told me |
| 22:23.28 | stew | smokes: but if you were logged into a vt and wanted to login as another user, switching to a new vt would be the natural thing to do |
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| 22:23.40 | dkr | BenF__: right, uid 1000 ha no special privileges the way uid 0 does |
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| 22:24.24 | BenF__ | dkr: I assumed 1000 being the highest, that 'administrator' was root |
| 22:24.30 | BenF__ | BenF__: I didn't know that 0 was the root |
| 22:24.31 | BenF__ | :) |
| 22:24.53 | clearscreen | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=37492 << this describes my problem.. suggested is to do a wired install, which isn't possible for me.. I also can't do a CD install due to current lack of a burner. is there any way to do a wireless install without having a cd? Im currently using Debian Installer Loader, perhaps I can have it grab more than just install files? |
| 22:24.58 | BenF__ | so 'administrator' isn't really a administrator after all? |
| 22:25.02 | dkr | BenF__: correct |
| 22:25.08 | BenF__ | odd. |
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| 22:25.57 | g00se | Eaglescreen: Those messages about perms were probably misleading. Mine are 2775 - the same as your original ones |
| 22:25.58 | deco | does the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD have open source drivers ? |
| 22:26.03 | smokes | stew: my bad, thanks, that makes sense, but I still should make an attempt to learn other shells, how would I get a listing of shells all debian shells y'know from my bash? |
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| 22:27.06 | g00se | smokes: It'll take you long enough to learn bash ;-) At least it's ubiquitous |
| 22:27.07 | EagleScreen | yes, 2775 |
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| 22:27.28 | some_dude | oh, hi. I've done bad |
| 22:27.42 | BenF__ | dkr: This is a new Debian 5.0 server, vanilla and nothing addition has been installed yet. What security precessions can I take? |
| 22:27.46 | EagleScreen | dutchfish: see this: http://pastebin.ca/1502540 |
| 22:27.47 | BenF__ | dkr: Are there firewalls etc? |
| 22:27.47 | stew | smokes: try: aptitude search '~sshells' |
| 22:27.49 | g00se | Eaglescreen: I would be inclined to step back, then follow a step-by-step: http://dast.freeshell.org/section/debian/kernel |
| 22:27.59 | smokes | g00se: well it is taking a while lol |
| 22:28.00 | clearscreen | "AFAIK, Debian netinstall will not work over a wireless connection.", why doesn't it? it is detected by the installer, but regardless of correct essid/wepkey it won't grab an IP |
| 22:28.02 | some_dude | I've erased /etc/pulse/* and I want to install them from the package, but they arn't comming back |
| 22:28.12 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, you have installed fakeroot? |
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| 22:28.15 | stew | some_dude: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 22:28.59 | g00se | !bastille |
| 22:28.59 | dpkg | i guess bastille is The Bastille Hardening System attempts to "harden" or "tighten" the Linux operating system. Available in Debian unstable. |
| 22:29.03 | clearscreen | well thanks for the help :/ |
| 22:29.04 | EagleScreen | fakeroot is installed |
| 22:29.07 | themill | BenF__: /msg dpkg harden |
| 22:29.07 | some_dude | how does apt know I erased them ? |
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| 22:29.25 | BenF__ | sorry |
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| 22:30.10 | dutchfish | EagleScreen, then something like make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image |
| 22:30.24 | smokes | ^5@ stew, holy #$ck that's a lotta of shells |
| 22:30.27 | g00se | That bastille factoid is out of date - it's in stable now afaik |
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| 22:33.42 | g00se | clearscreen: afaik netboots have to be done in conjunction with regular wired NICs |
| 22:34.33 | compilerwriter | When I try to fire up an xterm from console the thing complains about Display not being set. I look into my xorg.conf and I have a thing called screen should I change that to display? |
| 22:35.02 | g00se | compilerwriter: No |
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| 22:35.33 | g00se | compilerwriter: Have you started X or what? |
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| 22:36.10 | greg606 | !webmin |
| 22:36.11 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 22:36.17 | greg606 | webmin |
| 22:36.40 | greg606 | !tolkien |
| 22:36.40 | dpkg | somebody said tolkien was the writer of the greatest fantasy series in the history of the universe, the Lord of the Rings or a potato, or an IRC server on OPN |
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| 22:36.54 | greg606 | hi hi :) |
| 22:36.56 | greg606 | indeed |
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| 22:37.10 | greg606 | Tolkien is the greatest writer |
| 22:37.36 | g00se | greg606: Anything on-topic to say? |
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| 22:38.10 | greg606 | g00se: you don't want to help anyway :PP |
| 22:39.31 | greg606 | g00se: DNS stuff |
| 22:39.36 | JordiGH | If I have two httpds on two different servers one server is Debian, one is Fedora, and they're both trying to write to the same NFS-mounted dir, how can this be done? If Debian writes to a file, it will set its uid to the file, to which the other httpd in Fedora won't be able to write unless I set it world-writable. |
| 22:39.53 | compilerwriter | g00se: I have been trying to get x to work for the longest time now. I have gotten something done wrong. I can't seem to get x to work with my nvidia card and I have tried to follow like four different tutorials on the net. |
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| 22:40.48 | compilerwriter | I manage to get an nvidia splash screen and then kdm comes up, but when I log in then all I have is a background screen and no kicker or anything. |
| 22:41.26 | JordiGH | Crap, am I supposed to use NIS? |
| 22:41.27 | compilerwriter | The live cd work just fine when I tried it, but when I did the install that is what I got and I have been trying to fix it ever since. |
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| 22:41.44 | compilerwriter | g00se: help. |
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| 22:42.03 | themill | JordiGH: can you just set the same UID and GID on both machines? |
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| 22:42.34 | Webmin | ok |
| 22:42.35 | cafuego | helo: heh - thanks :-) |
| 22:42.38 | Webmin | i need help |
| 22:42.42 | cafuego | helo: Buy 5000 copies for me? |
| 22:42.45 | Webmin | a bit urgent i'd |
| 22:42.49 | Webmin | i'd say! |
| 22:42.56 | JordiGH | themill: Bit late for that, isn't it? If I just go and change a uid on one machine, it's gonna lose permissions to whatever files that httpd user owned. |
| 22:43.16 | Webmin | one of my work friends removed gnome-terminal from /usr/bin |
| 22:43.21 | Webmin | is there a way to restore it? |
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| 22:43.35 | JordiGH | Webmin: aptitude reinstall gnome-terminal |
| 22:43.55 | compilerwriter | What I don't get is how the live cd had no trouble with nvidia but the install does. |
| 22:44.24 | JordiGH | Screw it. I'm making this world-writable. How do you set a per-directory umask? |
| 22:44.28 | Webmin | JordiGH, love you! thx! |
| 22:44.52 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you don't! |
| 22:45.07 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Stupid unix permissions... |
| 22:45.08 | themill | JordiGH: there probably aren't too many files with that UID |
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| 22:48.04 | g00se | compilerwriter: Try the live CD again. Copy the settings to a file on the HD, then use them |
| 22:48.38 | CpR_ | how much time a bug takes to appear in bugs.debian.org? I used the reportbug tool to report a bug in linux-image-2.6-amd64 package and I'm not sure that it sended well. |
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| 22:49.30 | amphi | CpR_: what bug, as a matter of interest? |
| 22:49.50 | CpR_ | I have a problem with the fan that doesn't adapt the speed to the cpu load and is only solved when I return to the kernel 2.6.26-1. With the kernel 2.6.26-2 (in stable and testing) and the kernel 2.6.30 (backports) the laptop shutdowns when a high cpu load is needed (like playing a game or use Virtual Box). |
| 22:50.07 | g00se | compilerwriter: You could always look for new hardware problems too in dmesg |
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| 22:50.49 | dokma | how do I tell which version of Debian am I running? |
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| 22:53.35 | compilerwriter | thanks g00se |
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| 22:54.26 | jelly-home | !version |
| 22:54.26 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 22:54.49 | jelly-home | inckie: please disable that !version answering script; thanks in advance |
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| 22:55.18 | smokes | dokma: try uname -a |
| 22:56.37 | Cain | Hi ^^, i copied the lenny 5.0.2 hd install to /boot/newinstall(vmlinuz and initrd.gz and the netinstall iso file) and add an entry on grub to be able to launch the install via grub, and it works but in 'normal' install how to tell the kernel to launch the expert install instead of the normal one ? |
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| 22:57.47 | yurikoles | -expert? |
| 22:57.54 | yurikoles | --expert? |
| 22:57.59 | Cain | where can add it ? |
| 22:58.00 | yurikoles | look at cd |
| 22:58.14 | yurikoles | !expert |
| 22:58.14 | dpkg | an expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who *used* to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas |
| 22:58.23 | Cain | i can't use the cd installation (no burncd :/) |
| 22:58.45 | Cain | i just add this to grub menu.lst |
| 22:58.45 | Cain | title Local Fresh Install Standard (Lenny 5.0.2) |
| 22:58.45 | Cain | root (hd0,0) |
| 22:58.46 | Cain | kernel /boot/lenny5.0.2/vmlinuz |
| 22:58.46 | Cain | initrd /boot/lenny5.0.2/initrd.gz |
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| 22:59.24 | Cain | kernel /boot/lenny5.0.2/vmlinuz boot=expert will work ? |
| 22:59.29 | yurikoles | see installation manual |
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| 22:59.33 | yurikoles | !RTFM |
| 22:59.33 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 22:59.43 | smokes | Cain: you have to use a pastebin to share a lot of text |
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| 23:00.38 | Cain | yuastnav it's because i read the manual that i've be able to do that , and because i didn't find the answer that i'm asking here :) |
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| 23:01.37 | smokes | Cain: just curious, does the grub boot up the normal version without problems |
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| 23:02.09 | Cain | yep |
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| 23:02.31 | Cain | but i'd like to be able to choose more options |
| 23:03.06 | ktlr | hi there , i have installed the windows xp , i have got 2 partition what is using windows xp, the autoexec and bootconfig.ini are on the first partition , the windows is on the second partition , what do i need write to grub to working it ? |
| 23:03.30 | Cain | http://paste.debian.net/42323/ <== if it's possible to modify in order to launch the expert install mode ? |
| 23:03.38 | abrotman | ktlr: normally you install windows first, debian second |
| 23:03.53 | smokes | ktlr: I think you have to chain-boot windows, or something like that... |
| 23:03.57 | themill | ktlr: /msg dpkg dual boot guide |
| 23:04.00 | ktlr | it isnt a normally case |
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| 23:04.04 | _abbenormal | look at /boot/grub/menu.list it has the info inside it as to what to set |
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| 23:04.43 | maligor | ktlr, what do you want to install debian on? the first partition? |
| 23:05.22 | ktlr | i have tried to set the map options , but when the windows was started i got a fatal error message, but it was working until i wasnt set the mbr |
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| 23:05.30 | abrotman | the easiest way is to use a liveCD or the supergrub CD and boot debian and restore grub to the mbr |
| 23:05.31 | maligor | ktlr, the 'update-grub' should automagically detect the foreign operating systems |
| 23:05.39 | abrotman | and os-prober is a nice package |
| 23:05.57 | maligor | doesn't only grub2 use os-prober |
| 23:06.11 | abrotman | oh .. you know .. i think i use grub2 everywhere :) |
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| 23:06.18 | ktlr | maligor, wasnt worked |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | you would need update-grub and grub-install if you had windows kill the MBR |
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| 23:06.56 | maligor | or a incomplete config |
| 23:07.02 | maligor | like if you first install grub2 without os-prober |
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| 23:07.16 | abrotman | os-prober doesn't seem to depend on grub2 ? |
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| 23:07.31 | smokes | Cain: I don't know how to do it myself, but it seems like you should be able to do it, someone here had to help me with my grub ^5@hans0lo |
| 23:07.35 | abrotman | judd: versions anna |
| 23:07.35 | judd | abrotman: anna -- |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | okay then |
| 23:07.47 | ktlr | the debian is working |
| 23:07.50 | maligor | abrotman, suggests |
| 23:08.01 | abrotman | maligor: PDO doesn't say that .. weird. . but okay |
| 23:08.07 | teonanacatl | i guess nobody can help, but i've got windows 7 on one partition, had ubuntu on another - it worked pretty fine. now i installed debian (lenny) and were not able to boot anything with grub. i changed hd(1,0) and /dev/sdf6 to hd(0,0) and /dev/sda6, now i am able to boot debian. (i guess it got confused with my card-reader-stuff) - but windows 7 (the boot-loader is equivalent to the vista one's i guess) wont boo |
| 23:08.07 | teonanacatl | t anymore |
| 23:08.34 | Cain | smokes : thx anyway i'm waiting if someone can help ^^ (and i'm RTFM in case :p) |
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| 23:10.06 | teonanacatl | *1,5 to 0,5 |
| 23:11.01 | rvsjoen | is grub chainloading vista ? |
| 23:11.01 | abrotman | Cain: what's wrong? |
| 23:11.04 | teonanacatl | map(hd0) (hd1) |
| 23:11.04 | teonanacatl | map(hd1) (hd0) |
| 23:11.04 | teonanacatl | chainloader+1 |
| 23:11.06 | teonanacatl | -> yes? |
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| 23:11.13 | teonanacatl | sorry. |
| 23:11.28 | rvsjoen | try a pastebin next time :) |
| 23:11.33 | teonanacatl | i will ;) |
| 23:11.49 | smokes | Cain: only thing I can suggest is to add your "kernel /boot/lenny5.0.2/vmlinuz boot=expert" to your grub menu and try it. You can always take it off later. |
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| 23:12.21 | Cain | abrotman : how can i tell to grub to launch the expert installation ? (i added the files to /boot/lenny5.0.2) ==> http://paste.debian.net/42323/ |
| 23:12.29 | Cain | smokes i'll try |
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| 23:13.07 | rvsjoen | teonanacatl: i'm not sure if i'll be of any help, but you could try to pastebin the grub configuration |
| 23:13.28 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:13.41 | teonanacatl | menu.lst is enough? |
| 23:13.42 | smokes | gnite@True |
| 23:13.54 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 23:13.57 | abrotman | Cain: it doens't ask you when the installer starts ? |
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| 23:14.13 | Cain | abrotman : no |
| 23:14.29 | Cain | and the option boot=expert seems to be ignored |
| 23:14.32 | teonanacatl | http://www.pastebin.org/3486 |
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| 23:15.05 | Cain | abrotman i dont have a boot cd for lenny5.0.2 no burningdrive and the machine doesn't boot from usb sticks ^^' |
| 23:15.19 | teonanacatl | 0,0 should be the first partition? (the boot-paritition, which is hidden under windows) |
| 23:15.22 | abrotman | Cain: what's wrong wiht using the regular installer ? |
| 23:15.44 | Cain | i just want to choose more options when i install it |
| 23:15.53 | Cain | (like the utf8 etc...) |
| 23:15.54 | rvsjoen | vista has a separate boot partition ? |
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| 23:16.28 | teonanacatl | that's what i guess |
| 23:16.50 | teonanacatl | sda1 Boot Primary NTFS 104.86* |
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| 23:17.39 | abrotman | Cain: you can do that later if that's the only thing holding you back |
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| 23:18.16 | rvsjoen | not sure if it makes a difference, but I don't think it's necessary to reverse the disk mapping |
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| 23:18.23 | abrotman | Cain: what's the option your'e trying ? |
| 23:18.47 | abrotman | Cain: boot: expert ? |
| 23:18.55 | teonanacatl | rvsjoen, that confused me, too |
| 23:18.56 | Cain | abrotman : kernel /boot/lenny5.0.2/vmlinuz boot=expert |
| 23:18.58 | Cain | yes |
| 23:19.08 | abrotman | boot: expert ? |
| 23:19.15 | Cain | : or = ? |
| 23:19.20 | Cain | i'll try with : |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | Cain: try it? or ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:19.34 | adb | Cain: what's other system on pc ? |
| 23:19.40 | Cain | debian |
| 23:19.41 | Cain | etch |
| 23:19.43 | rvsjoen | also, using rootnoverify instead of root might make a difference |
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| 23:19.58 | abrotman | Cain: there are lenny hd-media images |
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| 23:20.05 | Cain | yes |
| 23:20.23 | Cain | abrotman : i put them on /boot/lenny5.0.2 |
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| 23:20.27 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 23:21.02 | nsadmin | Cain: why not upgrade the etch? |
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| 23:21.57 | Cain | nsadmin i messed up somewhere now aptitude try to add an amd64 kernel on my P4 :/ |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | Cain: you could use debootstrap |
| 23:23.28 | Cain | abrotman : that erase the whole old installation ? |
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| 23:23.38 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:23.42 | Cain | (i want to change the partitionning also) |
| 23:24.10 | Cain | well i guess i'll try with the normal installation and customize later :) |
| 23:24.16 | Cain | thnx guys ^^ |
| 23:24.48 | iluminator101 | Whats the most reliable and high quality printing laser printer under $100 thats also linux compatiable? |
| 23:25.02 | abrotman | pen/paper 1.0 |
| 23:25.07 | iluminator101 | ha ja |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org .. have fun |
| 23:26.01 | teonanacatl | rvsjoen, ok, i'll it with different map/noverify-settings, thank you so far |
| 23:26.22 | nsadmin | iluminator101: I was very lucky to get my hplj 4050 for $1200 after it printed one page |
| 23:26.32 | teonanacatl | bbl ;-) |
| 23:27.06 | iluminator101 | well compatibility is using not an issue for the most part |
| 23:27.24 | iluminator101 | Whats the most reliable and high quality printing laser printer under $100? |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | iluminator101: linuxprinting.org .. have fun |
| 23:28.06 | rvsjoen | I think i've seen this conversations before, somewhere |
| 23:28.14 | abrotman | like .. two minutes ago ? |
| 23:28.31 | rvsjoen | oh, yeah, that's it |
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| 23:28.37 | rvsjoen | clever |
| 23:28.44 | iluminator101 | also did debian fix that null exploit bug or? |
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| 23:29.14 | nsadmin | iluminator101: no such thing, I'd say... for under a hundred you're going to get a crappy toy |
| 23:29.15 | g00se | iluminator101: You won't get a laser printer at that price |
| 23:29.20 | abrotman | iluminator101: do you ever ask questions that make sense? |
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| 23:29.53 | clearscreen | is there something like Wubi for debian? I know there is "Debian-Installer" but it installs a netinstall image and I can't do a netinstall because debian won't do that over wireless |
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| 23:30.13 | g00se | iluminator101: You might get an entry level one around twice that price |
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| 23:30.31 | abrotman | clearscreen: what is wubi again ? |
| 23:30.32 | nsadmin | clearscreen: it won't? |
| 23:30.39 | teonanacatl | works fine @ i-cant-find-your-nickname-in-the-huge-list |
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| 23:30.45 | JordiGH | clearscreen: I haven't been paying attention, but there have been a few Debian installer CDs that help you load non-free firmware to get your wireless working. |
| 23:30.45 | teonanacatl | without the map-stuff ;) |
| 23:30.52 | rvsjoen | very nice |
| 23:30.58 | teonanacatl | thanks ;-) |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: but none of those CDs have the firmware ... |
| 23:31.08 | rvsjoen | np, glad it worked out |
| 23:31.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, you're supposed to load the firmware from USB keys or whatever, right? |
| 23:31.42 | abrotman | there are easier ways .. and he still didn't answer the question |
| 23:31.50 | iluminator101 | Ok the Question i meant to ask was. There is this security exploit called null exploit/bug for linux kernels 2.6.18 or 2.6.30, did that get that fixed or.... |
| 23:31.54 | clearscreen | JordiGH: if I had the possibility to use a CD I would have just grabbed a normal cd... the problem isn't that my wireless doesnt work (it works after the install), my wireless card IS detected by the debian installer but it just doesnt grab an IP over DHCP |
| 23:32.13 | clearscreen | manually setting an IP doesn't work either |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | clearscreen: what is your wifi ? |
| 23:32.46 | clearscreen | RT2500 card, but I tried a standard realtek pci card as well |
| 23:32.48 | abrotman | iluminator101: go to security.debian.org and read .. look for yourself |
| 23:32.57 | abrotman | clearscreen: and the target machine has no CD drive? |
| 23:33.20 | clearscreen | abrotman: it has a CD drive, but I currently have no empty CD nor do I have a burner |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:33.36 | abrotman | so what OS is on the machine? can it boot USB ? |
| 23:33.54 | clearscreen | it is currently running winxp |
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| 23:34.08 | abrotman | !goodbye-windows |
| 23:34.11 | abrotman | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:34.12 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:34.14 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 23:34.18 | iluminator101 | abortman: my writings skills are not on par with with my speaking |
| 23:34.22 | abrotman | though i doubt it would load your rt2x00 firmware |
| 23:34.28 | abrotman | iluminator101: what's your native language? |
| 23:34.37 | iluminator101 | malayalam |
| 23:34.42 | clearscreen | Im using exactly that ;) but that app installs a netinstall image |
| 23:34.49 | clearscreen | which leaves me nowhere again :P |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | clearscreen: do you have a USB drive you can put a package on? |
| 23:35.06 | clearscreen | yeah. |
| 23:35.16 | iluminator101 | Trust me thats a real language. |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | oh .. shouldn't need firmware |
| 23:35.35 | abrotman | !rt2500 |
| 23:35.35 | dpkg | The Ralink RT2500 PCI chipset (RT2500/RT2560) is supported by the enhanced legacy driver (rt2500) and the next-generation driver (rt2500pci), both available from the <rt2x00> project. Does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt2500 for driver installation instructions. See also <rt2x00>. |
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| 23:35.43 | teonanacatl | are there bigger barriers with running 2.6.30 on debian? |
| 23:35.57 | themill | judd: kernels |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | teonanacatl: on lenny? /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:35.58 | clearscreen | Nah.. the installer actually detects the firmware (heck; the same firmware works AFTER the install) - it just doesn't DURING the install |
| 23:35.59 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-3); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 (2.6.30-1~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 23:36.15 | abrotman | clearscreen: so if it works after the install .. waht's the problem ? |
| 23:36.16 | clearscreen | this seems to be a known problem, and I'm quite sure it isn't firmware related (I tried a realtek card too) |
| 23:36.27 | clearscreen | abrotman: the problem is that I can not install, lol |
| 23:36.28 | JordiGH | lol |
| 23:36.38 | teonanacatl | is it available as .deb in unstable? |
| 23:36.41 | abrotman | clearscreen: i haven't used goodbye-windows |
| 23:36.42 | clearscreen | I used to have an ethernet connection, I don't know |
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| 23:36.48 | clearscreen | know = now |
| 23:36.48 | abrotman | teonanacatl: are you using lenny? |
| 23:36.54 | rvsjoen | iluminator101: I think that bug was fixed in 2.6.30-2 |
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| 23:37.17 | teonanacatl | 5.0.2 -> testing, forgot the synonym |
| 23:37.18 | iluminator101 | rvsjoen: super |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | teonanacatl: squeeze .. you might be able to just grab the one from packages.debian.org .. or you can grab the one from backports.org |
| 23:37.55 | teonanacatl | i'll have a look |
| 23:38.02 | rvsjoen | iluminator101: it should be in there http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.30.2 |
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| 23:40.22 | smokes | bbl folks, see ya round |
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| 23:44.08 | nsadmin | rvsjoen: you have any idea which one it is? |
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| 23:45.14 | rvsjoen | nsadmin: on a guess I would say 310c34c21c0ff605ff130021c827eabd83cd0b3c |
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| 23:46.32 | nsadmin | yeah I was looking at that one too |
| 23:46.35 | rvsjoen | yes that looks to be the one |
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| 23:48.27 | nsadmin | iluminator101: do you have a way of testing to see if the bug is present? |
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| 23:49.51 | teonanacatl | 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 - fine ;-) |
| 23:49.58 | iluminator101 | nsadmin: no |
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| 23:51.44 | iluminator101 | hmm...Is there a netbook fork of debian? |
| 23:52.01 | rvsjoen | if you're the patient kind, you might be able to get some inspiration from this http://lwn.net/Articles/341773/ |
| 23:52.04 | teonanacatl | okay, i guess next thing is going to be harder - getting SPDIF work |
| 23:53.38 | rvsjoen | debian supports a bunch of netbooks starting from lenny afaik |
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| 23:54.27 | rvsjoen | at least the eee series from asus |
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