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| 00:01.35 | Hraka | List of installed packages, sources.list, keyfile for my encrypted /home, is there anything I forgot to back up before reinstalling the system? |
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| 00:01.57 | Zharf | your sanity? |
| 00:02.18 | Hraka | File not found. |
| 00:02.39 | Zharf | oh so you've lost it already |
| 00:02.42 | Zharf | carry on |
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| 00:02.54 | Hraka | The funny thing is this happened the day after I left the house where my fileserver stands. |
| 00:03.04 | Hraka | Which contains all my backups. |
| 00:03.48 | anarxia | Hraka: it always happens on those days. |
| 00:04.09 | Hraka | Exactly. |
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| 00:05.38 | anarxia | off to bed for me |
| 00:06.04 | anarxia | night and thanks everyone |
| 00:06.08 | Hraka | Have a good night then. |
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| 00:10.18 | Juansalvador | omg |
| 00:10.19 | Juansalvador | adb |
| 00:10.25 | Juansalvador | you're right |
| 00:10.30 | Juansalvador | zip sucks |
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| 00:10.40 | Juansalvador | thank you so much :) |
| 00:11.40 | adb | yw |
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| 00:16.04 | MusicalGenius1 | after i install the first debian cd can i add cd's later if i feel like downloading them one at a time? |
| 00:16.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:16.27 | leuhiah | Is PCLINUXOS is supported by debian how to install hsfmodem driver ? |
| 00:16.27 | MusicalGenius1 | and i can choose to like import the whole cd |
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| 00:25.27 | Monkey_b | question, i am attempting to get an NFS share running, i did nfs-common start, and it said 'starting nfs common utilities: statd imapd'... is that enough, or do i need to do either a 'nfs-kernel-server start' / 'nfs-user-start' ? because according to the os those commands are unrecognized |
| 00:25.34 | MusicalGenius1 | if i install cd1 only, there should be a start bar right? cuz i dont see one, i just see a cursor and a background lol |
| 00:26.02 | abrotman | did you try hitting enter ? |
| 00:26.17 | Monkey_b | i guess the right question is, why does my distro only come with 'nfs-common' but doesn't have 'nfs-user-server' or 'nfs-kernel-server'? |
| 00:26.30 | MusicalGenius1 | who me? |
| 00:26.43 | MusicalGenius1 | i can hit enter all i want, i dont see any taskbar or anything |
| 00:26.51 | bike^ | no login? |
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| 00:27.24 | MusicalGenius1 | i logged in |
| 00:27.31 | MusicalGenius1 | then i got a cursor and background |
| 00:27.35 | MusicalGenius1 | no task bar |
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| 00:27.43 | bike^ | no icons, nothing? |
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| 00:27.55 | bike^ | task bar in gnome us at the top of the screen |
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| 00:28.09 | bike^ | sounds like somethings a miss tho |
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| 00:28.23 | bike^ | i can recommend xfce4 |
| 00:28.28 | bike^ | and lxde for that matter |
| 00:28.35 | bike^ | all you really need is cd1 |
| 00:28.39 | MusicalGenius1 | ok, i hit ctr+alt+backspace and then under sessions clicked on gnome |
| 00:28.47 | MusicalGenius1 | and that seemed to do the trick |
| 00:28.50 | bike^ | as long as you dont choose every single option there is |
| 00:28.57 | bike^ | ah |
| 00:29.04 | MusicalGenius1 | how do i get on the internet? |
| 00:29.12 | bike^ | there are browsers |
| 00:29.13 | MusicalGenius1 | when i was installing it didnt seem to like my atheros card |
| 00:29.15 | bike^ | arent there? |
| 00:29.17 | bike^ | oh |
| 00:29.25 | bike^ | atheros *me hides* |
| 00:29.37 | MusicalGenius1 | i need to connect to a network via wireless and wep key |
| 00:29.52 | bike^ | atheros can be a bitch in the ass |
| 00:29.58 | bike^ | butem |
| 00:30.01 | bike^ | try the ndiswrapper |
| 00:30.09 | bike^ | google that for a bit |
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| 00:30.22 | MusicalGenius1 | is ndiswrapper installed? or do i have to go get it? |
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| 00:30.33 | bike^ | ndiswrapper and the windows drivers are probably easiest |
| 00:30.44 | bike^ | it will have to be.. ugh oi, installed |
| 00:30.48 | MusicalGenius1 | yeah but i need the ndiswrapper .deb right? |
| 00:30.57 | bike^ | and any dependencies |
| 00:31.04 | bike^ | which probably arent that many |
| 00:31.18 | MusicalGenius1 | do you know if thats on one of the cd's or dvd's? cuz ill just download one or two of those |
| 00:31.27 | Monkey_b | can someone point me to a guide on how to set up nfs? including where i can obtain nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server from? since apparently my box doesn't have either |
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| 00:32.07 | adb | !nfs |
| 00:32.07 | dpkg | nfs is probably Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS |
| 00:32.21 | bike^ | MusicalGenius1, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ndiswrapper+&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 00:32.33 | eldowan | I'd read that dd works faster if you tell it to use a large block size instead of using the 512k chunks it uses by default. In the example, dd worked much faster by making one 4GB chunk and copying it, rather than making so many small chunks. Is this really the case? |
| 00:32.50 | bike^ | MusicalGenius1, common and utils you |
| 00:32.52 | bike^ | 'll need |
| 00:33.00 | Neo1211_ | Hey - is there any way I can restrict FTP connections to a specific hostname, that is.. ftp.xxx.com rather than xxx.com, where they both point to the same server/IP |
| 00:33.16 | Monkey_b | thanks dpkg |
| 00:33.18 | bike^ | MusicalGenius1, i suppose your running lenny |
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| 00:33.24 | MusicalGenius1 | yrd i sm |
| 00:33.39 | MusicalGenius1 | yes i am |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: do you really need ndiswrapper? what is your wifi card? |
| 00:33.45 | enouf | eldowan: yes .. however ., |
| 00:33.45 | MusicalGenius1 | so i should get the ones for etch right? |
| 00:33.47 | adb | Monkey_b: apt-cache search nfs-kernel-server |
| 00:33.50 | MusicalGenius1 | atheros |
| 00:34.09 | eldowan | enouf: figured there would be a "yes, but". Whats the catch? |
| 00:34.15 | Neo1211_ | Is that a no? |
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| 00:34.36 | MusicalGenius1 | what do i use instead of ifconfig? cuz thats not working |
| 00:34.48 | bike^ | ah, you'll need iwtools too |
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| 00:35.07 | enouf | eldowan: 16k or 32k or even 4M will ... BUT be careful as when it gets to the last bs=SIZE and there;s less space than 4G in yuor case, it won't touch that whole area (chunk) of data |
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| 00:35.39 | bike^ | pardon, wireless-tools |
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| 00:35.54 | MusicalGenius1 | what command do i use to see what my network connections are? |
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| 00:36.01 | eldowan | enouf: aah, a lightbulb just illuminated. Thanks, yet again, enouf. |
| 00:36.03 | njan | MusicalGenius1, ifconfig |
| 00:36.04 | MusicalGenius1 | aka wlan0 and eth0 |
| 00:36.09 | enouf | eldowan: so, partition copying, i wouldn't chance it ... but for other things like wiping swap, it doesn't matter so much |
| 00:36.09 | MusicalGenius1 | it said bash |
| 00:36.16 | simlan | If I use "aptitude install" to install some packages, it also installs -doc packages. How can I prevent that? |
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| 00:36.51 | bike^ | MusicalGenius1, ifconfig |
| 00:37.02 | MusicalGenius1 | im getting a bash error everytime i type that |
| 00:37.10 | MusicalGenius1 | it says command not found |
| 00:37.14 | bike^ | ah you need ot be root |
| 00:37.18 | bike^ | su |
| 00:37.20 | bike^ | then |
| 00:37.21 | Juansalvador | excusme guys, what's the correct form to start mysql server? /sbin/service mysqld start ? |
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| 00:37.41 | bike^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.41 | norbert_ | hi all; I have a question: |
| 00:37.55 | Juansalvador | thank you bike^ |
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| 00:38.16 | norbert_ | my friend and I both use Debian stable and when I use tsclient to remote access his pc Num Lock always seems to die at his end... is this a known issue? anyone? |
| 00:38.17 | leuhiah | is debian support hsfmodem driver ? |
| 00:38.18 | njan | MusicalGenius1, try /sbin/ifconfig if you're not root and /sbin/ isn't in your path. |
| 00:38.27 | simlan | Ok, how can I prevent aptitude from installing "suggested" packages? |
| 00:38.32 | leuhiah | and debian have a kppp dialing tool ? |
| 00:38.43 | MusicalGenius1 | what do i use besides dhcpcd? |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | leuhiah: probably |
| 00:38.55 | MusicalGenius1 | debian uses something else i forget what its called tho |
| 00:39.00 | enouf | eldowan: fwiw, the kernel uses 4K pages as it's default which also has much to do with it .. there are somethings coming along now with variations of customizing kernels to use larger pages, and using HUGEPAGETLB has been around for a while now, though hardly anyone i've seen using it |
| 00:39.03 | leuhiah | ok i will try to download the debia next week |
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| 00:39.07 | bike^ | MusicalGenius1, dhcp-client |
| 00:39.19 | bike^ | dhclient |
| 00:39.25 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: please show us the results of `cat /proc/version` |
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| 00:40.58 | MusicalGenius1 | im using the newest one, released on june 21st 09 or whatever |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | no such thing |
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| 00:41.09 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: please show us the results of `cat /proc/version` |
| 00:41.12 | MusicalGenius1 | i did |
| 00:41.14 | enouf | eldowan: there was a nice long arg on lkml.org between a top XFS dev and the kernel team concerning using 16k pages for the kernel IIRC, sometime back .. linus et al thought it nuts, but the guy made some really good points (seek speed has not even come close to platter size ratio wise) |
| 00:41.16 | MusicalGenius1 | thats what it says |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | no it does not |
| 00:41.27 | MusicalGenius1 | 4.1.2-25 |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: please show us the results of `cat /proc/version` |
| 00:41.39 | bike^ | hm, thats not lenny |
| 00:41.41 | bike^ | is it? |
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| 00:41.45 | bike^ | its 5.0 isnt it? |
| 00:41.49 | abrotman | bike^: stop |
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| 00:41.52 | abrotman | let him answer |
| 00:42.06 | MusicalGenius1 | i went online and downloaded 5.0.2, the NEWEST STABLE version |
| 00:42.13 | CyberBird | how can i recognize my lociteck webcamera? it worked on other distros distributions |
| 00:42.28 | CyberBird | *logitech |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | CyberBird: tried just plugging it in? |
| 00:42.42 | CyberBird | yes |
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| 00:42.52 | abrotman | does 'dmesg' say anything ? |
| 00:42.57 | CyberBird | wait |
| 00:43.36 | enouf | leuhiah: is that the module name? if so, nothing with 'hsf' is in my modules on .29 here |
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| 00:43.49 | MusicalGenius1 | isnt there a visual connection thing? like a network finder and connector? |
| 00:43.55 | MusicalGenius1 | with the wep option? |
| 00:44.03 | abrotman | did you install a GUI? |
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| 00:44.51 | MusicalGenius1 | i think so? |
| 00:45.03 | MusicalGenius1 | would my key be wep (ascii) or (hexidecimal)? |
| 00:45.08 | MusicalGenius1 | it contains letters and numbers |
| 00:45.28 | bike^ | you set it yourself or your provider did? |
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| 00:45.42 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: is it really WEP or WPA ? |
| 00:46.14 | MusicalGenius1 | i tihnk its wep, the key is 25 random letters and numbers |
| 00:46.23 | MusicalGenius1 | it was like the highest encryption |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | not exactly random |
| 00:46.24 | CyberBird | i don't see anything about logitech webcamera on dmesg |
| 00:46.35 | MusicalGenius1 | i memorized the key |
| 00:46.40 | bike^ | hexadecimal then i guess? |
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| 00:46.56 | abrotman | was it the key of Bb ? |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | runs |
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| 00:47.40 | MusicalGenius1 | no it was actually c-minor... |
| 00:47.53 | MusicalGenius1 | dun dun DUN dunnnnnn |
| 00:48.42 | bike^ | now i've got a picture in my head of a MusicalGenius1 humming at his access point |
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| 00:49.11 | enouf | leuhiah: one thing i found anyway http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/index.php |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | wonders if enouf tried to /msg dpkg hsf or winmodem |
| 00:50.19 | bike^ | *shrugs* winmodem |
| 00:50.46 | MusicalGenius1 | what else do i have to fill in? |
| 00:50.48 | enouf | abrotman: neither/nor :-P |
| 00:51.27 | bike^ | MusicalGenius1, nothing i suppose, it found your network? |
| 00:51.28 | CyberBird | how can i recognize my logitech webcamera? it worked on other distros |
| 00:51.39 | enouf | went straight to kernel source, then to linmodems.org |
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| 00:51.58 | enouf | !gspca |
| 00:51.59 | dpkg | The GSCPA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gscpa one-liner>. Module included in mainline kernel from 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html See also <uvcvideo>. |
| 00:52.17 | leuhiah | ok enouf |
| 00:52.25 | enouf | er ... logitech? dunno what's the usbid? |
| 00:52.29 | enouf | lsusb -v |
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| 00:52.43 | dmi3on | hi all, |
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| 00:53.07 | dmi3on | when installing debian amd64 i get this message "there was a problem reading data from your CD-ROM ... " is this problem because of disc mount or because iso file ? |
| 00:53.10 | bike^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | .26 |
| 00:53.36 | bike^ | dmi3on, checked the disk? |
| 00:53.47 | MusicalGenius1 | no it didnt find my network i dont think |
| 00:53.50 | leuhiah | it might you have a problem with your burning dmi3on |
| 00:53.52 | MusicalGenius1 | i dont know how to use this stuff |
| 00:53.58 | bike^ | crumbs have given me days of extra work before |
| 00:54.00 | dmi3on | bike', its iso file |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | dmi3on: you can have the installer check the disk at the first screen |
| 00:54.14 | bike^ | dmi3on, must be corrupted then ? |
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| 00:55.03 | bike^ | well MusicalGenius1 you'll need wireless-tools no matter how you flip the coin, but those should be on the cd |
| 00:55.04 | MusicalGenius1 | does debian do that thing that ubuntu does where it shows updates when i connect? |
| 00:55.09 | dmi3on | ok, i load it using ESXI may be this is a problem ? |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | it can |
| 00:55.13 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: it can |
| 00:55.21 | bike^ | update-notifier or something |
| 00:55.24 | MusicalGenius1 | how would i go about doing that? |
| 00:55.34 | MusicalGenius1 | would it update my video card drivers and stuff? |
| 00:55.58 | bike^ | oh yeh, i've witnessed ubuntu do that |
| 00:56.01 | CyberBird | i do lsusb -v on the console, but it doesn't show all the message, the beggining is missing |
| 00:56.10 | abrotman | MusicalGenius1: if there are updates |
| 00:56.15 | MusicalGenius1 | so have i, so will debian do it too? |
| 00:56.33 | MusicalGenius1 | i wouldnt mind if i could click something online and have everything for debian installed to my pc |
| 00:56.44 | enouf | bike^: there's a 29 and/or 30 now avail for Lenny in lenny-backports |
| 00:56.54 | bike^ | k |
| 00:57.44 | bike^ | might be that CyberBird's camera isnt supported by 26 then? |
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| 00:59.20 | enouf | !tell dmi3on -about check iso image |
| 00:59.25 | bike^ | oh well, enough of me, my wise ass comments and nearly helpful help =) g'nite |
| 01:00.04 | enouf | CyberBird: run update-pciids and update-usbids to start -- as root/sudo |
| 01:00.19 | enouf | CyberBird: use shift+pageup to scroll up |
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| 01:00.35 | eviltux | hi there |
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| 01:00.50 | enouf | CyberBird: apt-get install less ; update-alternatives --config pager (as root) |
| 01:00.57 | jmoncayo | does debian comes with any software out of the box to burn iso images? |
| 01:01.09 | enouf | wodim |
| 01:01.19 | enouf | many GUI things |
| 01:01.29 | pl4yer0ne | jmoncayo, depends what out of the box means |
| 01:01.31 | stew | jmoncayo: it depends on which tasks you install with. there are several available to install after installation |
| 01:01.34 | enouf | out-of-the-box == ? |
| 01:01.53 | stew | jmoncayo: if you ask for a "desktop" system during the install, you'd have some iso burning utils |
| 01:01.58 | enouf | likely not on businesscard.iso :-P |
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| 01:02.04 | MusicalGenius1 | ok, i plugged in an rj-45 wire, and nothing happened.... how do i get it to connect? |
| 01:02.19 | pl4yer0ne | yeah cant say my netinstall has any cd burning software pre installed. |
| 01:02.34 | pl4yer0ne | (but thats how I like it!) |
| 01:02.38 | CyberBird | i go up to the end of console scrolling, but the message is not complete, the beggining is missing... |
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| 01:03.03 | dm0 | I can not connect to myserver via ssh. " Server refused to allocate pty " |
| 01:03.06 | enouf | someone offer him a grep please |
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| 01:03.24 | enouf | i don't have any usb devices to run lsusb on |
| 01:03.33 | abrotman | how about | less ? |
| 01:03.35 | dondelelcaro | dm0: that usually means that /dev/pty isn't mounted or similar. See what it says in /var/log/auth.log and/or daemon.log |
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| 01:03.56 | enouf | abrotman: right - i guess he should install it :-p |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | pl4yer0ne: you don't have network to install a burnning app ? |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | enouf: or more ? |
| 01:04.04 | dm0 | dondelelcaro : how to mount it? |
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| 01:04.27 | jmoncayo | Ether_Man_: so what could i use to burn an iso image to a disk |
| 01:04.39 | enouf | abrotman: seems he has no idea which pager he's using, and i have no clue -- but more is usually default installed |
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| 01:04.53 | abrotman | enouf: | pager ? :) |
| 01:04.55 | leuhiah | try nero jmoncayo |
| 01:05.04 | enouf | !pipe abrotman |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | leuhiah: wtf .. why? |
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| 01:05.24 | pl4yer0ne | abrotman, I meant that I install minimal as possible then start adding stuff later as required. |
| 01:05.29 | leuhiah | because he has iso burning tools thats why |
| 01:05.40 | abrotman | pl4yer0ne: CLI or GUI ? |
| 01:05.47 | pl4yer0ne | CLI |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | wodim |
| 01:05.54 | leuhiah | because he has iso burning tools thats why jmoncayo |
| 01:06.05 | dondelelcaro | dm0: first check that it isn't already mounted; run mount; you should see /dev/pts |
| 01:06.07 | enouf | nero isn't free, and i don't mean as in non-free, it costs $$$ |
| 01:06.17 | leuhiah | or find a best iso burning tools that fits to you jmoncayo |
| 01:06.23 | pl4yer0ne | and isnt nero basically == k3b anyway? |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | leuhiah: you're talking to the wrong person |
| 01:06.29 | enouf | leuhiah: there are plenty available from the debian mirrors |
| 01:06.37 | leuhiah | yah but i have a nero here with a license one so i can burn iso |
| 01:06.41 | enouf | leuhiah: and none cost $$$ |
| 01:06.48 | jmoncayo | i was trying to find something free |
| 01:06.51 | leuhiah | yah |
| 01:06.54 | dondelelcaro | use wodim or growisofs |
| 01:07.08 | enouf | jmoncayo: k3b is most like nero, i guess |
| 01:07.19 | enouf | or those, as i mentioned from the CLI |
| 01:07.32 | leuhiah | i have a portable cddvd writter along his driver including my license nero burning tools |
| 01:07.44 | enouf | he's not you leuhiah ;-) |
| 01:07.52 | pl4yer0ne | heh |
| 01:08.05 | leuhiah | :) |
| 01:08.27 | enouf | s,he's,s/he's, |
| 01:08.29 | CyberBird | i did what you said, what is the next step for webcamera? |
| 01:08.39 | jmoncayo | enouf: what about something for a terminal? |
| 01:08.44 | enouf | CyberBird: can you give us the usbid? |
| 01:08.50 | jmoncayo | something already isntalled in a base system |
| 01:08.59 | enouf | jmoncayo: as dondelelcaro and i mentioned wodim and growisofs |
| 01:09.06 | leuhiah | just guessing if he/she and we have no idea if is he/she :) |
| 01:09.11 | enouf | jmoncayo: install wodim, and dvd+rw-tools |
| 01:09.37 | enouf | i forget if genisoimage is it's own pkg - same for cdrdao, which was also renamed ,, ugh |
| 01:09.52 | CyberBird | laptop:/home/george# usbid |
| 01:09.52 | CyberBird | bash: usbid: command not found |
| 01:09.53 | enouf | but those are for other things,,.. yet related |
| 01:09.57 | dm0 | dondelelcaro, what is the difference if /dev/pts is mounted or /dev/pty is mounted? being mounted /dev/pts is enough for /dev/pty works? |
| 01:10.13 | enouf | CyberBird: i meant lsusb -v should list the deviceID |
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| 01:10.24 | enouf | CyberBird: it looks like [xxxx:xxxx] |
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| 01:10.40 | CyberBird | it doesn't show all of it, it cuts on the beginning |
| 01:10.41 | enouf | !pciid |
| 01:10.42 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b |
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| 01:10.58 | enouf | CyberBird: pipe the friggin thing already |
| 01:11.16 | enouf | CyberBird: both i and abrotman told you how |
| 01:11.24 | enouf | more than 1 way too |
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| 01:11.30 | CyberBird | swift and pageup? |
| 01:11.42 | enouf | that's not a | |
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| 01:13.19 | Linux_User | Yay I can download lenny now. |
| 01:13.34 | CyberBird | the webcamera model is logitech clicksmart 510 |
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| 01:13.46 | CyberBird | does that help? |
| 01:14.23 | Linux_User | How do I put the Small CD onto a usb stick? |
| 01:14.44 | adb | !usb install |
| 01:14.44 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/) |
| 01:14.51 | CyberBird | it's a very old webcam |
| 01:14.58 | CyberBird | from 2000 |
| 01:16.01 | adb | try lsusb , usbview , install them if needed |
| 01:16.05 | Linux_User | How do I do it in windows XP? |
| 01:16.09 | Linux_User | prepare the USB stick? |
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| 01:16.32 | enouf | hrm, why is my .29 missing many things from /lib/modules/2.6.29-2-686/ directory? such as; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1480224 notice how many more .28 has :-/ |
| 01:17.01 | enouf | er how many more .26 has |
| 01:17.28 | adb | !debian.exe |
| 01:17.28 | dpkg | debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/. Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 01:17.37 | adb | Linux_User: ^^ |
| 01:17.46 | enouf | or use rawwrite? |
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| 01:18.22 | enouf | or .. just /msg dpkg usb install ? |
| 01:18.39 | adb | just said .. |
| 01:19.04 | jmoncayo | enouf: cool thanks i missed that line |
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| 01:19.11 | enouf | man o' man .. this updatedb is killing me ... :-P i already ran update-{pciids,usbids} what gives? |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:20.23 | dm0 | how to mount /dev/pts? |
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| 01:22.54 | enouf | 27381 root 20 0 29112 25m 272 R 95.9 5.0 3:04.50 sort :-( |
| 01:23.06 | enouf | abrotman: moi? |
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| 01:23.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:23.36 | CyberBird | there is nowhere on lsusb -v my logitech webcam |
| 01:23.39 | enouf | abrotman: enouf> hrm, why is my .29 missing many things from /lib/modules/2.6.29-2-686/ directory? such as; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1480224 notice how many more .28 has :-/ |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:23.58 | enouf | abrotman: i know the -headers- adds the build/ symlink |
| 01:24.17 | enouf | but all my modules.*map are missing |
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| 01:24.35 | abrotman | update-pciids and update-usbids don't affect that dir |
| 01:24.52 | dimedo | is there a commandline tool which can generate md5 crypt hashes as used in /etc/shadow? |
| 01:24.59 | enouf | abrotman: well, i needed to do it anyway :-P |
| 01:25.12 | enouf | abrotman: and even updatedb did nothing to help now :-P |
| 01:25.25 | Linux_User | !verify |
| 01:25.36 | enouf | abrotman: i don't let the cron.daily scripts run at all |
| 01:26.29 | Wyzard | enouf: The "build" and "source" links come from having the corresponding linux-headers package installed |
| 01:27.12 | enouf | Wyzard: right, well, those i'm not concerned with - and i mentioned the build/ but thanks for the reminder |
| 01:27.14 | Wyzard | enouf: The difference in the modules.* files may just be a format change; my 2.6.30 looks like your 2.6.29 in this regard |
| 01:27.28 | enouf | now look at this; after running updatedb, i STILL get /usr/bin/locate.findutils: warning: database `/var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb' is more than 8 days old (actual age is 18.5 days) |
| 01:27.50 | enouf | could this be from .. wait, i'm not using noatime, this is reiserfs :-P |
| 01:28.09 | enouf | Wyzard: so where's the mappings? do you know? |
| 01:28.18 | Wyzard | no idea |
| 01:28.29 | Wyzard | I've never had to pay much attention to them |
| 01:28.47 | enouf | i used to grep them all the time .. and it seems judd doens't do usbids ? |
| 01:29.15 | enouf | even though the usbmap format is different than the pcimap one, it still can be grepped somewhat |
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| 01:31.03 | enouf | i mean /usr/share/misc/pci.ids shows the device names, but not the corresponding kernel module :-( |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | enouf: does the .deb have those files ? |
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| 01:31.43 | enouf | abrotman: i was trying to use dlocate and find out :-( |
| 01:31.57 | enouf | as you see, it still thinks the database is old .. oh wait .. |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | enouf: manually unpack it and look ? |
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| 01:33.02 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe it's generated ? |
| 01:33.07 | enouf | abrotman: i will - i fixed dlocate with running update-dlocatedb |
| 01:33.23 | enouf | which is one of the cron.daily that i stopped |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | i don't see it in the lenny .26 from the 5.0.2 update |
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| 01:34.34 | nestor | hello!, is there a way for files inside a folder to inherit the folder permisisons no matter what? |
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| 01:35.16 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 01:35.17 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 01:35.30 | enouf | abrotman: even on 26 :-( |
| 01:35.31 | enouf | $ dlc /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/ | grep -v kernel |
| 01:35.33 | enouf | linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build |
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| 01:36.45 | nestor | oh, thanks. i will spend the night reading entire manuals for a single command. |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | nestor: would you rather i just say "sticky bit" and then let you start reading? |
| 01:37.15 | vimpulse | nestor: sarcasm won't encourage us to help you :) |
| 01:37.53 | enouf | some-na-b***tch http://pastebin.ca/raw/1480238 |
| 01:38.04 | nestor | tanks about that. |
| 01:38.37 | nestor | stiky bit was just what i was asking for. |
| 01:39.20 | enouf | how the HECK did i get them in my /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/ directory then? |
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| 01:39.34 | vimpulse | hi all. My xorg.conf doesn't specify which driver to use. When Xorg starts, the log says "(--) PCI:*(0:18:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0531) rev 162, Mem @ 0xf5000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0xf4000000/24." Then Xorg chooses the vesa driver. Why does it choose vesa? Also, should I try to install unstable's version of xorg to see if it'll help? (Notes: I am running Xorg 7.3 on squeeze. Xorg log is at |
| 01:39.34 | vimpulse | http://pastebin.com/f780f3018 .) |
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| 01:39.47 | Linux_User | How do I burn a .iso in windows XP |
| 01:39.48 | Linux_User | ? |
| 01:40.16 | CyberBird | cdburnerxp |
| 01:40.20 | CyberBird | it's free |
| 01:40.31 | vimpulse | Linux_User: the pricelessware website has a list of choices. |
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| 01:40.40 | enouf | abrotman: FWIW, could it be a .postinst script? or .. i'm doing an apt-file search modules.pcimap atm |
| 01:40.52 | enouf | user-mode-linux: /usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.26/modules.pcimap |
| 01:40.57 | vimpulse | Linux_User: but come join me in ##linux |
| 01:40.59 | enouf | oh too funny .. i have no UML |
| 01:40.59 | abrotman | enouf: i said like 10 minutes ago it wasn't in the lenny .deb |
| 01:41.21 | enouf | abrotman: my .26 *is* a .. oh |
| 01:41.32 | vimpulse | Linux_User: there is something I want to verify with you. |
| 01:41.37 | enouf | abrotman: i got my .26 prior to lenny .. yes |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | enouf: aren't you in #debian-kernel on oftc? :) |
| 01:41.58 | enouf | abrotman: yes ;-) |
| 01:42.05 | enouf | goes |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | just though maybe .. you'd ask there? :) |
| 01:42.26 | \amethyst | nestor: if you want to inherit permissions (and not just group ownership) you'll need to use ACLs (specifically, a default ACL on the directory) |
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| 01:43.02 | nestor | \amethyst, thanks, i will check that out. |
| 01:43.32 | luch | sendmail is telling me: 451 4.3.0 Temporary system failure. Please try again later. |
| 01:43.45 | luch | the log is telling me its because of group writable folders |
| 01:43.46 | CyberBird | how i see all the message in console? it cuts on the beggining... does anyknow know how? |
| 01:44.51 | \amethyst | nestor: e.g. setfacl -m 'd:u::rwx,d:g::r-x,d:o::---' dir then newly created files/directories will have mode 640/750 |
| 01:45.31 | nestor | \amethyst, _thanks_!!!! |
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| 01:45.58 | \amethyst | nestor: but with ext3 you need to mount the filesystem with the 'acl' mount option (it's not on by default) |
| 01:46.12 | nestor | \amethyst, i'm using jfs |
| 01:46.22 | \amethyst | nestor: not sure about jfs... xfs enables them by default |
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| 01:48.36 | luch | error: safesasl(/etc/sasl/Sendmail.conf) failed: Group writable directory |
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| 01:52.30 | beardy | CyberBird: View with less, scroll to the right. |
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| 01:52.57 | beardy | less(1) |
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| 01:53.25 | vimpulse | hi all. My xorg.conf doesn't specify which driver to use. When Xorg starts, the log says "(--) PCI:*(0:18:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0531) rev 162, Mem @ 0xf5000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0xf4000000/24." Then Xorg chooses the vesa driver. Why does it choose vesa? Also, should I try to install unstable's version of xorg to see if it'll help? (Notes: I am running Xorg 7.3 on squeeze. Xorg log is at |
| 01:53.25 | vimpulse | http://pastebin.com/f780f3018 .) |
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| 01:54.22 | beardy | vimpulse: It defaults to vesa. Since it doesn't recognice your chipset, the default is used. |
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| 01:55.18 | beardy | vimpulse: Installing the version from unstable is not a good idea. Do you know what chipset it is? |
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| 01:55.50 | abrotman | vimpulse: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:56.11 | adb | nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0531) |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | update-pciids |
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| 01:57.45 | vimpulse | abrotman: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2) |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | vimpulse: and you've installed the binary nvidia thingie ? |
| 01:58.27 | enouf | abrotman: the saga continues :-/ |
| 01:58.29 | enouf | enouf: did you check at packages.debian.org that the files really are supposed to be gone? this |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:58.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.54 | enouf | sorry - half a paste there |
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| 01:59.08 | enouf | All his are there!@ |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | not useful ... |
| 01:59.14 | stickboy | is it more stable to use 32bit on 64bit processor or the other way around? |
| 01:59.17 | enouf | why not? |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | doesn't tell you how they are created ... why aren't they in the .deb ? |
| 01:59.24 | vimpulse | abrotman: no, don't want to use the closed-source driver from nvidia if i don't need to |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | stickboy: depends on the use |
| 01:59.33 | abrotman | vimpulse: lenny ? |
| 01:59.34 | enouf | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1480249 |
| 01:59.38 | vimpulse | abrotman: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-nv/tree/man/nv.man doesn't list C67 as supported. Is that a mistaken omission? |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | vimpulse: probably not |
| 01:59.50 | stickboy | abrotman, please elaborate |
| 01:59.52 | luke3321 | stickboy: 64 bit wont work on a 32 bit processor... AFAIK |
| 01:59.53 | enouf | all my older ones came from kernel or linux-image-pkds |
| 02:00.00 | Linux_User | Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project and a General Public License author, has slammed plans to include Mono in Debian's default install as a "dangerous" risk for the open-source community. |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | Linux_User: keep it on-topic please |
| 02:00.18 | enouf | abrotman: although even weirder is that my .26 one is NOT listed there :0 |
| 02:00.22 | abrotman | stickboy: if you're using a desktop .. it's probably less of a pain to use 32bit |
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| 02:00.36 | stickboy | abrotman, i'm on a laptop |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | stickboy: and? |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | vimpulse: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 02:01.11 | luke3321 | stickboy: I run a 64 bit desktop. I saw a speed increase coming from 32 bit. And most of the packages I use are in amd64 as well |
| 02:01.25 | stickboy | abrotman, so i'm really just looking for the option that is more stable and less of a headache for installing apps. |
| 02:01.37 | abrotman | stickboy: do you use any binary-only softwares ? |
| 02:01.46 | vimpulse | abrotman: VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] [10de:0531] (rev a2) |
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| 02:01.56 | enouf | abrotman: this says Lenny *should* have them as well http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=modules.pcimap&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | vimpulse: my lenny box has no idea what that is |
| 02:02.28 | enouf | abrotman: sorry . my bad - no 686 there |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | $ dpkg -S modules.pcimap |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | dpkg: *modules.pcimap* not found. |
| 02:02.34 | dpkg | no idea, abrotman |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 02:02.41 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 02:02.43 | stickboy | abrotman, beats me, heh. i'm coming from ubuntu so i just follow guides, lol. |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | stickboy: that's not what i asked you |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | vimpulse: judd pciid 10de:0531 |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:03.08 | stickboy | abrotman, i don't know |
| 02:03.11 | abrotman | judd pciid 10de:0531 |
| 02:03.12 | judd | abrotman: [10de:0531] is 'C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0531 |
| 02:03.50 | enouf | only Etch actually has them for -686 /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/modules.pcimap linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 [i386] |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | enouf: so he still didn't answer your question ? |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | unless you didn't ask "where do these files come from?" :) |
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| 02:04.18 | enouf | abrotman: i guess the wrong guy answered me :-P |
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| 02:04.55 | stickboy | abrotman, only time i've ever encountered binary or source is if it was 32bit only and i was on 64bit. |
| 02:04.55 | adb | vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 enouf |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | stickboy: that's kind of what i'm saying |
| 02:05.50 | stickboy | abrotman, i'm thinking it would be easier app wise for 32, but i don't want the entire install to be less stable because of it. so i just need to know if 32bit on 64bit is stable. |
| 02:06.12 | luke3321 | stickboy: I can vouch for that, 42 bit on 64 bit is stable |
| 02:06.18 | luke3321 | *32 |
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| 02:06.48 | Linux_User | froths at the mouth for the new ff |
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| 02:07.09 | stickboy | ok ty luke. time to install. later. |
| 02:07.28 | luke3321 | np |
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| 02:10.14 | enouf | abrotman: this is too weird .. i have to give up - i'm going apeshit over this - look; |
| 02:10.17 | enouf | You have searched for paths that end with modules.pcimap in suite sid, all sections, and architecture(s) amd64. Found 2 results. File Packages /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-xen-amd64/modules.pcimap linux-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 /usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.26/modules.pcimap user-mode-linux |
| 02:10.28 | enouf | now what the F was that other guy pasting? |
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| 02:11.09 | abrotman | i'd really guess it's from the postinst |
| 02:11.14 | enouf | man .. i'm starting to think installing -headers somehow (.postinst) installs those files |
| 02:11.22 | enouf | bingo |
| 02:11.28 | enouf | let's try ... |
| 02:11.36 | nestor | \amethyst, acls are working like a charm... ___thank you___. PS: jfs has acl by default. |
| 02:11.44 | spvensko | what's the dpkg-reconfigure command to load up my xorg.conf? |
| 02:12.00 | spvensko | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-...? |
| 02:12.15 | luke3321 | spvensko: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 02:14.12 | adb | luke3321: deprecated in lenny |
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| 02:14.34 | luke3321 | adb: Really, is that so. |
| 02:14.39 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.40 | luke3321 | Then I've no idea |
| 02:14.42 | luke3321 | Ah |
| 02:14.44 | luke3321 | okay |
| 02:14.46 | luke3321 | good to know |
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| 02:15.09 | spvensko | my issue is that my fonts are HUGE and i need to lower the DPI |
| 02:15.27 | spvensko | i attempted to put -dpi 96 in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc but that isn't working |
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| 02:16.41 | spvensko | there may be a specific option to gdm since there appears to be a way to adjust the DPI using the kdm rc file |
| 02:16.59 | spvensko | and before anyone asks, the debian how-to for my laptop suggests the Xorg route and offers no alternatives |
| 02:17.09 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:17.25 | spvensko | it's not the resolution, it's the DPI |
| 02:17.54 | spvensko | everything is dandy except the fact that my fonts are huge |
| 02:17.59 | adb | just by curiosity |
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| 02:18.50 | enouf | abrotman: you do perl? /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686.postinst |
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| 02:19.08 | enouf | abrotman: i can't tell - there's nothing obvious on a quick scan |
| 02:19.10 | abrotman | not captain insano perl :) |
| 02:19.41 | enouf | no mkdir, no pcimap , from less |
| 02:19.54 | magyar | hi guys, where could i get linux-image 2.6.29 that was in the sid repo last week? |
| 02:20.19 | enouf | abrotman: /me is an idiot, only symlinks and files are either added/generated - so mkdir is way off there :-P |
| 02:20.36 | adb | magyar: use .30 ? |
| 02:20.40 | enouf | the modules.pcimap and such are files though, not symlinks |
| 02:20.56 | magyar | adb: .30 is borken |
| 02:21.29 | CyberBird | does anyone know how i will install the drivers for my logitech webcam in debian 5.0 lenny? |
| 02:21.56 | adb | enouf: need modules.pcimap from ? |
| 02:22.32 | stickboy | i'm installing stable and it says it's missing firmware files for iwlwifi-4965.1.ucode and asks if i want to install from removable media. |
| 02:22.36 | enouf | adb: i just like to have my missing files :-( |
| 02:22.40 | spvensko | so no ideas with my dpi issue? :( |
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| 02:22.43 | abrotman | enouf: oddly .. they are removed in the postrm |
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| 02:22.50 | abrotman | erm .. they're mentioned at least |
| 02:23.06 | adb | enouf: which kernel ? |
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| 02:23.09 | enouf | abrotman: i even found in the .postinst where the /source and /build symlinks are generated :-/ |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | yeah ... to remove |
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| 02:23.29 | Linux_User | Thanks vimpulse |
| 02:23.32 | enouf | adb: does it matter? any 686 after and during .26 |
| 02:23.48 | enouf | adb: though non-vserver, non-xen, non-uml, etc |
| 02:23.59 | enouf | adb: just plain jane -686 |
| 02:24.05 | violin | Debian or Fedora? I really can't decide! |
| 02:24.33 | stickboy | should i use lvm? |
| 02:25.10 | \amethyst | enouf: depmod from module-init-tools was changed recently (3.7-pre2-1) to not generate the map files by default |
| 02:25.55 | enouf | \amethyst: ahh ha! |
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| 02:26.19 | \amethyst | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523828 mentions how to generate it manually |
| 02:26.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.55 | enouf | heh, guess i got the .26 prior to upgrading that pkg |
| 02:27.05 | enouf | \amethyst: do you know why? |
| 02:27.15 | enouf | \amethyst: or what is in it's place? |
| 02:27.21 | \amethyst | enouf: you're going to love this... from the changelogs: |
| 02:27.26 | enouf | ... |
| 02:27.30 | enouf | wait |
| 02:27.32 | \amethyst | enouf: * Added patch no_maps_by_default: stop building the maps files by default and see what happens. |
| 02:27.34 | abrotman | wait for it!!!!! |
| 02:27.36 | enouf | let me fill my scotch glass |
| 02:27.51 | enouf | BWAHAHAHAHAHA ... |
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| 02:27.55 | stickboy | what are the advantages of having separate /usr /var and /tmp? |
| 02:27.59 | enouf | oh that's tooo fucken much |
| 02:28.12 | vimpulse | stickboy: home PC? or server? |
| 02:28.15 | enouf | falls off the chair ... |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | enouf: i think that guy pasted the wrong thing |
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| 02:28.45 | stickboy | vimpulse, laptop. i've done separate /home in the past and liked it |
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| 02:29.08 | vimpulse | stickboy: separate /home is useful on a laptop, but separate /usr /var and /tmp aren't. |
| 02:29.13 | enouf | abrotman: he too could've *not* upgraded his module-init-tools pkg and only upgraded the kernel |
| 02:29.21 | stickboy | ok ty vimpulse |
| 02:29.28 | vimpulse | stickboy: yw |
| 02:29.35 | enouf | \amethyst: thank you so much - how'd you find out? |
| 02:29.53 | spvensko | does anyone know where gdm executes X? i'm guessing it's NOT from /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 02:30.00 | dwschool | i have sendmail as candidate - 8.14, and test when i install it, debian runs 8.13 wtf??? |
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| 02:33.03 | enouf | abrotman: \amethyst now .. to figure out what magic koolaid judd is drinking g* <evilgrin> |
| 02:33.23 | enouf | and .. to ask for a usbid mapping output as well :-P |
| 02:33.26 | \amethyst | enouf: googled for modules.pcimap generated ; the first result was the bug report I linked to above |
| 02:33.34 | abrotman | enouf: ask themill when he comes around .. i believe he wrote it |
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| 02:33.46 | enouf | abrotman: that i know - thanks |
| 02:33.59 | enouf | \amethyst: i missed the report .. :-/ .. i'm reading now |
| 02:34.18 | enouf | oh .. generate manually? w000h000 |
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| 02:35.19 | quakelive | If I have an Intel Core 2 Duo should I install AMD64 or x86_64 debian? |
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| 02:35.47 | quakelive | ia_64 |
| 02:36.04 | quakelive | ia_64 is something else isn't it |
| 02:36.14 | stew | quakelive: amd64, yeas ia64 is for itanium2 |
| 02:36.14 | enouf | \amethyst: haha @ (from the changelog) 3.6 Version: o depmod: make building map files optional (does anyone use them anyway?) |
| 02:36.17 | vasi | ia64 is completely different :-) |
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| 02:36.34 | adb | enouf: mine will be ok ? 2.6.26-2-686 ? http://212.147.100.100/2.6.26-2-686/ |
| 02:36.34 | vasi | quakelive, i don't think there's a huge difference |
| 02:36.45 | hikenboot | hello I have 2 questions will the testing debian installer work with /boot on a software raid running lvm? Second how do i make an ext4 partition on lvm on raid bootable? Do I use fdisk? |
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| 02:36.58 | vasi | just if you install i386, and you have >= 4 GB of ram, use a 'bigmem' kernel |
| 02:37.27 | stickboy | vasi but 32bit does support 4gb? |
| 02:37.34 | vasi | stickboy, yes |
| 02:37.41 | stickboy | ty vasi |
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| 02:38.50 | enouf | why do i get the nagging suspicion that some rift between the kernel-package maintainer and the kernel-dev team has caused this to come to the forefront, since newer make-kpkg's can use *either* Yaird, or Initramfs, and will use *none* even with the --initrd option UNLESS you actually copy over the script from foo-location to bar-location |
| 02:40.46 | enouf | \amethyst: wow, that took all of 5 seconds to generate those files .. lmao .. on a pentiumII :-P |
| 02:41.24 | quakelive | Does Print server in the installation menu mean I host the printer? |
| 02:41.29 | quakelive | IE I have a windows network printer |
| 02:41.36 | quakelive | do I have to be a print server to print off that? |
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| 02:41.57 | quakelive | I have a windows box with a printer connected to it. |
| 02:42.35 | enouf | \amethyst: abrotman we have a winnAr! http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=mf5f38a8 |
| 02:42.47 | enouf | adb: take a look at my recent paste |
| 02:42.57 | adb | heh |
| 02:43.00 | DanDare | I have a printer box with windows connected to it. |
| 02:43.07 | adb | !win enouf |
| 02:43.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:43.25 | enouf | w00h |
| 02:43.32 | enouf | w00t even |
| 02:43.44 | adb | USSR even .. |
| 02:45.31 | quakelive | To print to a windows network printer, do I have to install the print server option in the installer? |
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| 02:45.53 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:48.11 | enouf | the make-kpkg script details for atleast 12.00 and likely even earlier, should anyone want to read; http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/README.txt |
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| 02:50.31 | enouf | what's hysterical are the Dates and the kernel versions he says he's using :-P dpkg -i kernel-image-2.0.29_custom.1.0_i386.deb <-- haha ... it' |
| 02:50.43 | enouf | s like he just spliced in the newer info :-P |
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| 02:51.53 | bauermann | dear lazy irc channel: how do I make aptitude purge a package by default, instead of just removing it? I guess there's some magic spell I can put in apt.conf? |
| 02:52.35 | vimpulse | bauermann: i don't remember. please check man apt.conf and get back to us with your results. |
| 02:52.51 | bauermann | vimpulse, ok, but it might take a few days/weeks |
| 02:52.55 | bauermann | if you don't mind waiting |
| 02:53.27 | vimpulse | bauermann: ok |
| 02:53.31 | vimpulse | :) |
| 02:53.39 | vimpulse | bauermann: why do you want to purge by default anyway? |
| 02:53.42 | bauermann | we have a deal then! |
| 02:53.59 | bauermann | vimpulse, I can't stand cruft in /etc... it's a nit I always had |
| 02:54.14 | bauermann | I won't argue that it's the best course of action :-) |
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| 02:54.39 | vimpulse | bauermann: You are right in that it's not the best course of action. Think of it as the cruft is healthy for your system. :) |
| 02:55.01 | hippo | Hello, does anybody know where can I download the 2.6.30 kernel patch for bootsplash ? |
| 02:55.16 | bauermann | vimpulse, but what if I uninstall a package now, and then install it two years later? the syntax will surely have changed by then. is it guaranteed that the new package will do the right thing? |
| 02:55.25 | vimpulse | bauermann: i don't know. anyone? |
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| 02:56.11 | bauermann | vimpulse, (yes, I do have a machine with a two+ (three actually) years old debian installation, I just kept upgrading it) |
| 02:56.23 | enouf | stickboy: there are lots of reasons to separate things via their own partition, see google mostly and like search googlegroups (usenet archives in comp.os.linux.* and comp.unix.* IIRC) http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 02:56.48 | bauermann | hippo, any reason not to use splashy? |
| 02:56.54 | KC | usually if a package breaks the old config file thats known by the time it gets to debian and it uses a new config file (like KDE 4) |
| 02:57.40 | hippo | bauermann, yeah, in my own computer, I use splashy, but there is some reason that I need to use the original bootsplash |
| 02:57.57 | bauermann | hippo, ok, just checking :-) |
| 02:58.02 | hippo | bauermann, I find that it seems there is no patch for bootsplash anymore |
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| 02:58.35 | niklas | is there a way to make sshd start up before other services? |
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| 02:58.44 | abrotman | like before networking ? |
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| 03:00.53 | enouf | abrotman: \amethyst how's this for fun; the man page for the newer module-init-tools: /usr/share/man/man8/depmod.8.gz . is missing the -m option as outlined as a workaround in that bug report |
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| 03:01.12 | abrotman | watches enouf go on a reportbug spree |
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| 03:01.20 | enouf | can anyone with an older man page tell me if it was ever there? |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | older than ? |
| 03:02.09 | enouf | abrotman: mine .. the broken ones :-P |
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| 03:02.23 | abrotman | lenny doesn't have it |
| 03:02.40 | enouf | abrotman: enouf: depmod from module-init-tools was changed recently (3.7-pre2-1) to not generate the map files by defaul |
| 03:02.52 | enouf | t |
| 03:03.07 | enouf | abrotman: apt-cache policy module-init-tools? |
| 03:03.29 | abrotman | judd: versions module-init-tools |
| 03:03.30 | judd | abrotman: module-init-tools -- etch: 3.3-pre4-2 lenny: 3.4-1 squeeze: 3.7-pre9-1 sid: 3.9-2 |
| 03:03.56 | enouf | abrotman: ahh .. and 3.4.1 does _not_ show the -m option? |
| 03:04.00 | Kazuha | I don't see '-m' in either 3.7 or 3.4. |
| 03:04.09 | enouf | abrotman: because -n does something not wanted, that is |
| 03:04.13 | stickboy | ty enouf |
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| 03:04.20 | enouf | abrotman: trying to figure if it was a typo? |
| 03:04.28 | enouf | stickboy: np |
| 03:04.34 | quakelive | When I check the "File Server" option in the debian installer does that include the SAMBA sharing software only? |
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| 03:04.47 | quakelive | or lots of different types of file serving protocols? |
| 03:05.01 | quakelive | does it even have samba? |
| 03:05.04 | newpc | can i dcc send any one something need to test my dcc sends |
| 03:05.12 | quakelive | All the computers here run windows. |
| 03:05.16 | enouf | abrotman: that is; only spits it to stdout rather than writing the files |
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| 03:06.06 | eldowan | enouf: FYI, the imaging problem I had is just about worked out. dd from 0 to the end of the first partition worked correctly, and the Flash drive can boot. However, now I just need to figure out how to rectify the partition table, as fdisk, cfdisk, and [qt|g]parted won't read it. however, sfdisk shows the exact same partition table as the original disk. |
| 03:06.19 | abrotman | enouf: maybe -m is in sid ? |
| 03:06.34 | newpc | abrotman can i dcc send u to test my dccs ? |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | no thank you |
| 03:06.43 | enouf | abrotman: no,. i have sid |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:06.54 | enouf | abrotman: i'm going to ask dannf himself |
| 03:07.00 | abrotman | *fear* |
| 03:07.08 | newpc | hello |
| 03:08.45 | enouf | abrotman: just to be clear, you checked you have lenny: 3.4-1 installed there? |
| 03:08.51 | enouf | and no -m option appears? |
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| 03:09.12 | newpc | enouf can i dcc send u a file to test my dccs ? |
| 03:09.25 | enouf | newpc: no thank you - not now |
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| 03:09.40 | elky | newpc, stop it. |
| 03:09.58 | newpc | testing to see if i can dcc send out of my firewall |
| 03:10.19 | enouf | eldowan: dd from 0 to ? (end of 1st partition) .. oh, you made both sdc1 and sdd1 the exact same size? |
| 03:10.24 | newpc | thats all elky thank you for dickin in on something you dont want to see being helprf |
| 03:10.31 | enouf | mamalujo: it |
| 03:10.35 | enouf | 'sorry mamalujo |
| 03:10.36 | quakelive | If I host a website from my house, is it a good idea to check the DNS server option in the deb installer? |
| 03:10.45 | enouf | newpc: it's just that i'm preoccupied atm .. |
| 03:11.01 | enouf | newpc: don't you have any irc friends you could ask? |
| 03:11.14 | eldowan | enouf: yes, however, sdd2 ends after the end of the physial disc. I just need to find how to remove sdd2 from the partition table, and hopefully create a second partition at the end. |
| 03:11.19 | abrotman | enouf: you are his friend :) |
| 03:11.41 | enouf | eldowan: wait .. you did it wrong then |
| 03:11.47 | eldowan | enouf: howso? |
| 03:11.49 | enouf | eldowan: you shouldn't have done that ... |
| 03:12.24 | eldowan | enouf: how much damage did I do? |
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| 03:13.29 | enouf | eldowan: i said to only dd the 1st 65 sectors, if anything -- however, once you showed 2048 on the start of 1st partition on SOURCE sdc, i would've done the 1st 63, then put one sector of 2048 into sector 64 |
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| 03:13.50 | enouf | eldowan: if the source didn't change no damage - yet |
| 03:13.55 | quakelive | Can the debian installer resize NTFS partitions? |
| 03:14.49 | enouf | eldowan: one sector (the 2048 one) onto sector 64 of sdd ... but even that's not really needed - all depends what actually occupies that sector and which bootloaders are wheer |
| 03:15.35 | eldowan | enouf: Currently sdd is bootable, and mountable in lenny. is it no as simple as to make a good partition table? I must be veeery confused. |
| 03:15.39 | enouf | eldowan: also ... depends on how the files are spread across the sdc 1st 2048 sectors of SOURCE .. so i said, just reinstall grub |
| 03:16.21 | enouf | eldowan: IOW, the 1st 63 of the sdc might not have all the info needed since it might be spread across more sectors (since there is 2048 avail) |
| 03:16.45 | stickboy | how long does an install typically take? |
| 03:16.51 | enouf | eldowan: but if only GRUB was installed, it would stop at 32,256, since it's not an asshole |
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| 03:17.03 | abrotman | stickboy: don't you think that depends on your internet speed and your computer speed? |
| 03:17.10 | enouf | 32,256 == 1st 63 or so |
| 03:17.45 | enouf | eldowan: i told you to use a FS level copying tool - heck even partimage if needed |
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| 03:17.50 | stickboy | abrotman, obviously, but this is taking 5x an ubuntu install and isn't all that close to being done. |
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| 03:18.04 | enouf | eldowan: i can't explain anymore .. i'm bushed |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | stickboy: how much stuff did you install ? |
| 03:18.58 | stickboy | abrotman, i just did auto full disc, letting it do w/e |
| 03:19.24 | eldowan | enouf: looks like I screwed up what I though I should be doing and did something else entirely. Thanks for the help, I'll see if I can figure a way to fix this thing up. |
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| 03:20.46 | CyberBird | how do i restore nautilus' classic view with the column on the left? |
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| 03:22.07 | enouf | eldowan: the issue is, what you did isn't really fixable, since there's data beyond the end of your device size ... you need to start over |
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| 03:23.02 | enouf | eldowan: i'm not positive there is data beyond that point, but the partition table is wrong and likely any FS bits that tell it where to look for other sectors of the same file |
| 03:23.26 | enouf | eldowan: and .. using dd, you ended up with a vfat FStype .. ugh |
| 03:24.17 | enouf | eldowan: or ,.. sorry NTFS, since it's sdd2 that's pooched |
| 03:24.46 | enouf | well .. both sdd1 and sdd2 are vfat and ntfs respectively |
| 03:24.47 | eldowan | enouf: I would be stuck with vfat or ntfs, as the tool that boots is microsofts imager. I cleared out sdd completely beforehand, I don't care about any information past sdd1 |
| 03:25.10 | enouf | eldowan: why MS imager? wtf are you doing man? |
| 03:26.11 | enouf | eldowan: you know vfat has a 4GB filesize limit .. not to mention nor NTFS, nor vfat does unices perms, and vfat can't even do unicode correctly |
| 03:26.40 | eldowan | enouf: I'm trying to image a larger bootable drive that I will use to image corporate PCs witout a network. The bootable partition and image files are on sdb1. data is on sdb2. sdb1 and the magic boot process works like a charm. it boots and wants to do some stuff. Now all I *should* have to do is remove sdb2 from the partition table, and create a new partition and add data |
| 03:26.59 | enouf | eldowan: please ask ##windows - even with my old win98 knowledge i'd have had this done hours ago |
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| 03:27.37 | enouf | eldowan: likely, yes .. however, will all the data fit? |
| 03:27.51 | eldowan | enouf: duely noted. didn't mean to give you a hemorrhage. yes, all data fits, just the partitions are too large |
| 03:28.46 | enouf | eldowan: it's not you .. it's module-init-tools + kernel devs that cause me to hemmmorage |
| 03:29.24 | valan | hemmoraging is fun |
| 03:29.39 | eldowan | enouf: good to know. I have enjoyed trying to get this to work via non-conventional methods though. nearly complete, if I can figure out if sfdisk can delete the entry for sdb2 without touching sdb1. |
| 03:30.19 | quakelive | Can the Debian installer resize NTFS partitions? |
| 03:30.24 | eldowan | hell, or just edit sdb2 to fit on the disk. |
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| 03:30.25 | enouf | \amethyst: again, a great big thank you .. would've taken me hours to find that out, if not more (i loathe using google for debian specific issues, i prefer to look in-house ;-)) |
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| 03:30.43 | enouf | abrotman and adb thank you both too for your support |
| 03:30.59 | adb | CyberBird: Proprieties> Behavior> check `Always open in browser windows` ? |
| 03:31.04 | enouf | \amethyst: and .. you don't get thanked enough - i see you on #bash and elsewhere :-P |
| 03:31.14 | adb | enouf: yw |
| 03:31.29 | enouf | eldowan: removing a partition is cake |
| 03:31.33 | enouf | eldowan: i use parted |
| 03:31.52 | enouf | eldowan: you can punch in exact byte sizes if needed |
| 03:32.14 | eldowan | enouf: great, thanks! |
| 03:32.34 | quakelive | Can the Debian installer resize NTFS partitions? |
| 03:33.05 | enouf | eldowan: parted /dev/sdd ; b ; p ; quit |
| 03:33.17 | enouf | eldowan: just to get a view |
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| 03:33.39 | eldowan | enouf: p: Error: Can't have a partition outside the disk! |
| 03:35.11 | quakelive | Can the Debian installer resize NTFS partitions? |
| 03:35.24 | adb | quakelive: uname -r |
| 03:35.42 | enouf | eldowan: sorry, left one off |
| 03:35.47 | enouf | eldowan: parted /dev/sdd ; u ; b ; p ; quit |
| 03:35.55 | CyberBird | yeah, that fixed the problem... thank you! |
| 03:36.11 | adb | CyberBird: me ? |
| 03:36.17 | enouf | eldowan: h == help |
| 03:36.25 | enouf | u == units |
| 03:36.28 | CyberBird | yes, thank you! |
| 03:36.31 | enouf | b == bytes |
| 03:36.36 | enouf | p == print |
| 03:36.40 | adb | CyberBird: yw |
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| 03:36.45 | enouf | and you know what quit means |
| 03:36.47 | eldowan | enouf: I was able to use fdisk and the d command. Looks like it *should* work now. |
| 03:37.00 | enouf | eldowan: /me loathes fdisk |
| 03:37.30 | eldowan | enouf: I thought of that before you wrote back with the u command |
| 03:37.35 | enouf | eldowan: let me see you get fdisk to do this; |
| 03:37.36 | enouf | Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 32256B 25225225727B 25225193472B primary reiserfs |
| 03:37.52 | eldowan | enouf: I likes! |
| 03:38.11 | eldowan | enouf: oh, wait. I have no idea what I'm looking at. esplain? |
| 03:38.32 | eldowan | 2tb? |
| 03:39.03 | enouf | eldowan: check it http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m48fc980f |
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| 03:39.16 | enouf | no - the B == Bytes |
| 03:39.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.11 | enouf | Wyzard: i hope you caught all the missing modules.*map files saga ;-) |
| 03:40.23 | enouf | Wyzard: thank you too for offering |
| 03:40.27 | Wyzard | enouf: I haven't been following the channel, sorry |
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| 03:40.36 | Wyzard | been playing with Drupal |
| 03:40.41 | eldowan | enouf: I still don't know what I'm looking at... I'm an hour late leaving, I think I'm going to go get some dinner if windows will now see this damn drive. |
| 03:40.51 | enouf | Wyzard: scrollback, or /lastlog enouf ; /lastlog \amethyst |
| 03:41.11 | zhxk | enouf:hello |
| 03:41.14 | eldowan | enouf: with your help, and my misguided attempt at a fix, and your help fixing my fuckup, I now should be able to get it all to work correctly. |
| 03:41.17 | eldowan | !beer enouf |
| 03:41.17 | dpkg | pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for enouf |
| 03:41.31 | zhxk | !beer enouf |
| 03:41.32 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Gulden Drak for enouf |
| 03:41.33 | enouf | eldowan: pick me up some BlackAngus Ribeye, and some Chernobyl chicken wings please |
| 03:41.54 | eldowan | enouf: I would treat you to a steak dinner for helping me if you were in the area. |
| 03:42.00 | enouf | eldowan: beer and whiskey as well ;-) |
| 03:42.07 | enouf | heh - np |
| 03:42.19 | zhxk | !whiskey enouf |
| 03:42.23 | enouf | eldowan: if you were in my area, i'd say, "c'mon down!" |
| 03:42.39 | eldowan | enouf: whiskey? add some billiards, and you've got yourself a deal. Let me know if you're ever in the Houston area. |
| 03:42.42 | enouf | thanks zhxk |
| 03:43.08 | Wyzard | enouf: I saw the --initrd problem mentioned while browsing list archives the other day (either debian-devel or debian-kernel, don't remember) |
| 03:43.15 | enouf | eldowan: oh my .. i might .. i hope only in the winter though - except if the AC is crankin ;-) |
| 03:43.35 | enouf | Wyzard: aye .. but that's a separate issue |
| 03:43.36 | eldowan | enouf: for now, I've undid all the damage I can take for one night. Hopefully I won't cripple myself again tomorrow and have to come crawling back for more help you don't *need* to provide. |
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| 03:43.58 | eldowan | enouf: its only been 100 for a few days, I'm sure i'll drop back down to 95 real soon. Hell, we even got RAIN today! |
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| 03:44.06 | enouf | Wyzard: here; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523828 |
| 03:44.20 | barmagnet | when will Firefox 3.5 make it to Iceweasel on Debian? |
| 03:44.30 | enouf | Wyzard: why there's no more modules.*map files generated |
| 03:44.54 | enouf | Wyzard: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 03:45.09 | enouf | barmagnet: ask ajavid :-P |
| 03:45.10 | Wyzard | enouf: good to know, thanks |
| 03:45.16 | enouf | Wyzard: ;-) |
| 03:45.29 | barmagnet | who is ajavid ? |
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| 03:45.38 | LinuxMafia | why when you update debian always something screwing up |
| 03:45.48 | Wyzard | enouf: I used to use yaird, btw, but switched to initramfs-tools long ago after realizing how brittle yaird is |
| 03:45.56 | enouf | Wyzard: btw, the workaround *does* work, i did it, but man depmod does NOT show a -m option :-/ |
| 03:46.01 | enouf | oh wait |
| 03:46.11 | barmagnet | isn't it a bad IRC etiquette to direct questions to one person? I was taught to ask questions to channels. |
| 03:46.12 | enouf | gotta response from #debian-kernel |
| 03:46.30 | enouf | ooops false alarm |
| 03:46.35 | adb | LinuxMafia: lenny ? |
| 03:46.38 | Wyzard | enouf: I liked the fact that yaird's ramdisk contained only the essentials needed to boot the system it's generated on, but it would fail if anything changed |
| 03:46.43 | enouf | it was just #debian in window #6 :-P |
| 03:46.44 | Craigevil | barmagnet: it usually takes a few days for it to hit sid |
| 03:47.09 | enouf | Wyzard: why? minimalistic? |
| 03:47.18 | barmagnet | Craigevil, how will Debian team modify the new Firefox to make iceweasel so quickly? |
| 03:47.31 | LinuxMafia | adb, yes |
| 03:47.35 | enouf | Wyzard: i understand that - no matter what i do, i can't stop the mdadm modules from loading :-P |
| 03:47.40 | Wyzard | enouf: yeah, and it'd have things hard-coded in it, like LVM volume names |
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| 03:47.52 | Craigevil | hell if i know, iceweasel 3.0.1 is already faster than anything else , havent tried firefox 3.5 |
| 03:47.59 | Craigevil | 3.0.11 |
| 03:48.05 | enouf | right .. the "/device/mapper/.." issue thingy |
| 03:48.10 | barmagnet | LinuxMafia, what screwed up? can you be more specific? |
| 03:48.15 | Wyzard | enouf: so making any change to boot-related stuff (like renaming the volume group that the root filesystem is on) required booting a liveCD and chrooting in to run yaird again |
| 03:48.21 | enouf | Wyzard: should've used LiLo :-P |
| 03:48.24 | barmagnet | Craigevil, I just heard from friends that Firefox 3.5 is doubly fast on Windows. |
| 03:48.29 | LinuxMafia | adb, my friend just upgraded and his X wont come up |
| 03:48.32 | Wyzard | enouf: nah, initramfs-tools works fine |
| 03:48.38 | enouf | heh |
| 03:48.42 | Wyzard | enouf: I'm using LVM-on-crypt-on-raid5 right now |
| 03:48.56 | adb | LinuxMafia: lenny has only security updates .. |
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| 03:49.24 | enouf | adb: basically .. yes |
| 03:49.34 | LinuxMafia | barmagnet, i dont know exactly , but his X wont come up |
| 03:49.39 | enouf | adb: enormous bugs found would be fixed |
| 03:49.49 | adb | LinuxMafia: heh , my friend ... |
| 03:49.54 | bike^ | LinuxMafia, nvidia by any chance? |
| 03:50.02 | barmagnet | adb, LinuxMafia, is it possible that lenny updates would update the kernel too? may be, LinuxMafia's friend installed nvidia drivers by himself and he has to install it again for the new kernel? |
| 03:50.04 | LinuxMafia | bike^, ys |
| 03:50.11 | bike^ | reinstall the nvidia drivers |
| 03:50.22 | bike^ | debian updates have habit of stomping some files and symlinks |
| 03:50.33 | LinuxMafia | bike^, how ? |
| 03:50.34 | bike^ | xcore updates to be more specific |
| 03:50.50 | Wyzard | bike^: Actually, it's the nvidia driver that has the habit of stomping some files that belong to a Debian package |
| 03:50.52 | bike^ | either you can apt-get them or download them from nvidia.com if you have the kernel headers |
| 03:50.56 | barmagnet | LinuxMafia, the way you installed the nvidia drivers for the first time. :-) |
| 03:51.06 | bike^ | Wyzard, or that way =) |
| 03:51.13 | bike^ | it breaks the drivers either way |
| 03:51.29 | Wyzard | bike^: That's why you should use the nvidia packages (which don't have that problem) rather than the nvidia.com installer (which will break whenever mesa gets updated) |
| 03:51.35 | LinuxMafia | barmagnet, we just put the cd install and that is it |
| 03:51.38 | bike^ | LinuxMafia, nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace nvidia with nv |
| 03:51.43 | bike^ | then restart x |
| 03:51.50 | bike^ | that will get you 2d and slow 3d? |
| 03:52.02 | Wyzard | bike^: The nvidia-glx packages does the necessary diversions so it doesn't have any file conflicts |
| 03:52.22 | bike^ | i bet, but i always end up leaving the debian kernel and compiling my own |
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| 03:52.45 | barmagnet | I have a question. why wasn't the nvidia installation made as simple as aptitude install nvidia ? |
| 03:52.47 | LinuxMafia | bike^, i try too |
| 03:53.27 | bike^ | from there you can either just use 2d until you figure out what direction to take your system or just install nvidia-glx straight from console now and stuff the NV idea |
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| 03:53.33 | user_ | I tried to mount my NTFS partition by right clicking on 455.7 GB Volume and clicking "Mount volume" and it says "Cannot mount volume. Invalid mount option when attemption to mount the volume." |
| 03:53.43 | user_ | attempting* |
| 03:54.11 | Wyzard | barmagnet: In a stable release it may actually be that simple (assuming you're using a stock Debian kernel), because the kernel module packages are in the archive and can be installed automatically by aptitude |
| 03:54.46 | adb | user_: see /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 03:54.55 | Wyzard | barmagnet: In unstable and possibly testing (haven't checked lately), the kernel modules aren't pre-built so you have to use module-assistant |
| 03:55.06 | barmagnet | ok |
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| 03:57.06 | sambaw | is java is loaded in linux kernel |
| 03:57.26 | vasi | sambaw, do you mean to ask if java is available in debian? |
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| 03:57.50 | enouf | eldowan: how we doing? |
| 03:57.56 | sambaw | or in gernel |
| 03:58.13 | enouf | eldowan: i;m all buzzed now .. so can tolerate it a bit .. maybe |
| 03:58.55 | sambaw | how do i check my linux kernel parameters at run time |
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| 03:59.41 | adb | sambaw: uname -r |
| 03:59.55 | sambaw | ok |
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| 04:00.35 | enouf | sambaw: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 04:00.36 | user_ | Wow debian comes with mp3 support out of the box |
| 04:00.37 | sambaw | i mean componets of kernel which are presnt in current running kernel |
| 04:00.41 | user_ | that's a change from ubuntu |
| 04:00.45 | enouf | sambaw: not sure what you mean |
| 04:00.58 | user_ | Why do they include mp3 support? |
| 04:01.08 | enouf | sambaw: the config of Debian is in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 04:01.26 | sambaw | ok |
| 04:01.34 | adb | enouf: nope , what does my command |
| 04:01.34 | type64 | user_: pretty sure its because the decoder dosent have issuse surrounding it, but the encoder |
| 04:01.50 | user_ | how do I install the nvidia driver? |
| 04:01.52 | enouf | sambaw: the /proc/config.gz is not enabled in the .config via default |
| 04:01.53 | adb | grr not enouf .. |
| 04:02.01 | type64 | user_: what card do you have? |
| 04:02.04 | adb | sambaw: ^^ |
| 04:02.11 | user_ | NVIDIA 9800GTX |
| 04:02.11 | sambaw | ok |
| 04:02.20 | adb | ok what ? |
| 04:02.41 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:02.50 | user_ | !nvidia |
| 04:02.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:03.13 | Chubbz1 | Does anyone have any recommendations on something to replace GDM? |
| 04:03.34 | valan | what? debian comes with mp3 support? since when? |
| 04:03.56 | Craigevil | Chubbz1: why do you want to replace it? if you want something lighter take a look at xdm or slim |
| 04:03.58 | valan | and what support specifically? |
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| 04:04.29 | Chubbz1 | I run fluxbox and was just looking for something lighter, thanks Craigevil |
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| 04:06.32 | enouf | adb: i didn;t realize you were asking for them to show you output, i thought you were answering, say; "uname -r says?" next time ;-) |
| 04:06.34 | user_ | !flash |
| 04:06.34 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:06.49 | user_ | !adobe flash |
| 04:06.49 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:07.05 | enouf | !tell user_ -about msgthebot |
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| 04:08.08 | user_ | What's the best way to install the official flash? |
| 04:08.17 | daishadar | i'm trying mount a remote filesystem on my laptop which is often in and out of net access. i want the mountpoint to gracefully mount/unmount when i get/lose net. what are my options? nfs? sshfs + autofs? what would you recommend? |
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| 04:08.39 | nike | My ath9k card does not work after waking up from sleep sometimes on my Thinkpad. |
| 04:08.49 | nike | I'm running the 2.6.30 kernel package in sid. |
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| 04:09.04 | adb | enouf: thanks Sir ! |
| 04:09.30 | yaboo | can I run firefox on debian, not iceweasel but firefox itself |
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| 04:09.49 | yaboo | seems my online course does not work with iceweasel, no konquer |
| 04:10.30 | Craigevil | change the user,agent in about:config to firefox Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.11) Firefox/3.0.11 (Debian-3.0.11-1) |
| 04:10.46 | nike | yaboo: Firefox will work from the official mozilla.com binaries, sure. But I absolutely bet Iceweasel will work with a user agent switch. |
| 04:11.30 | enouf | adb: ;-) |
| 04:11.54 | enouf | adb: we're Deschutes bretheren! ;-) |
| 04:12.04 | adb | hehe |
| 04:12.06 | enouf | fxiny!! |
| 04:12.21 | yaboo | nike I tried to log into my online course here in aus tafe, they only claim to support ie, but firefox on the mac works |
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| 04:13.11 | user_ | Where do I put libflashplayer.so? |
| 04:13.21 | glick | excuse me, can anyone recommend a good open source blogging program besides word press |
| 04:14.24 | adb | user_: /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 04:14.29 | adb | /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 04:14.38 | adb | /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 04:14.46 | adb | i stop here .. |
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| 04:15.07 | lafrance | g'day all |
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| 04:16.32 | user_ | iceape? |
| 04:16.38 | adb | glick: apt-cache search blog |
| 04:16.39 | user_ | what the heck is iceape |
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| 04:17.22 | adb | a web browser ? |
| 04:17.33 | adb | mot in lenny anyways |
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| 04:17.44 | adb | not* |
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| 04:19.23 | nike | user_: iceape is Debian's rebranded SeaMonkey |
| 04:19.38 | nike | which is the current name of what used to be known as the mozilla suite |
| 04:19.39 | enouf | !iceape |
| 04:19.40 | dpkg | methinks iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. See <iceape lenny>. |
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| 04:20.18 | nike | My ath9k card does not work after waking up from sleep sometimes on my Thinkpad. I am running the 2.6.30 kernel in sid. |
| 04:20.18 | user_ | What is the red swirly thing supposed to be? |
| 04:20.19 | enouf | you don;t neeed no stinkin HTML editor and CHAT crap - use |
| 04:20.24 | enouf | !icedove |
| 04:20.25 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 04:20.31 | enouf | and !iceweasel |
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| 04:20.58 | enouf | nike: and which release? |
| 04:21.06 | nike | enouf: sid |
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| 04:21.15 | enouf | nike: there ya go |
| 04:21.44 | nike | Well, okay... yeah I know but how do I debug a problem such as this? |
| 04:21.50 | enouf | nike: could try ##ibmthinkpad .. but |
| 04:21.58 | user_ | how do I copy libflashplayer.so into the gnome web browser? |
| 04:22.04 | enouf | nike: debug it |
| 04:22.08 | nike | Didn't know that was a channel... |
| 04:22.11 | enouf | copy? |
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| 04:22.43 | enouf | user_: you cp it over into maybe ~/.mozilla/something |
| 04:23.00 | DDevine | Who knows about doing apt pinning? |
| 04:23.12 | user_ | How do I stop epiphany from using the free flash plugin and start using the non free one |
| 04:23.16 | enouf | !Who knows about doing apt pinning? |
| 04:23.26 | nike | I do. |
| 04:23.28 | enouf | !anybody knows about doing apt pinning? |
| 04:23.29 | user_ | I copied it so /usr/lib/epiphany.../libflash..so |
| 04:23.35 | DDevine | enouf: I have looked at guides, however it doesn't seem to work properly. |
| 04:23.47 | DDevine | nike: Can I forward an email to you? |
| 04:24.02 | enouf | user_: gnome-epiphany ? i don't know |
| 04:24.24 | nike | DDevine: uhm... okay? how about pastebin? |
| 04:24.30 | DDevine | ok then |
| 04:24.50 | enouf | i tried epiphany when it was called epiphany-browswer since there was a game name epiphany |
| 04:25.10 | enouf | couldn't get it to use plugins at all then |
| 04:25.19 | adb | user_: /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 04:25.32 | adb | enouf: works here .. |
| 04:25.41 | enouf | adb: why bother :-) |
| 04:25.53 | enouf | adb: i love my flashblock |
| 04:26.10 | user_ | It's there adb |
| 04:26.19 | DDevine | nike: http://pastebin.ca/1480368 |
| 04:26.37 | user_ | but it's using the free one |
| 04:26.39 | adb | user_: restart all epiphany |
| 04:26.43 | user_ | I did |
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| 04:28.32 | adb | user_: reboot ... hmm no , ls /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins/ , says ? |
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| 04:29.04 | user_ | user@debian:~$ ls /usr/lib/epiphany-gecko/2.22/plugins/ |
| 04:29.04 | user_ | libdesktopfileplugin.so libflashplayer.so |
| 04:29.04 | user_ | user@debian:~$ |
| 04:29.31 | adb | user_: so it use libflashplayer.so |
| 04:29.43 | adb | non-free ... |
| 04:29.51 | user_ | nope |
| 04:29.54 | user_ | it's using swfdec |
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| 04:30.38 | adb | i doubt, but remove swfdec |
| 04:31.06 | user_ | I clicked about |
| 04:31.12 | user_ | and it said swfdec |
| 04:31.22 | user_ | in epiph |
| 04:31.26 | user_ | on a flash thing |
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| 04:35.12 | user_ | What the hell |
| 04:35.25 | user_ | when I try and remove swfdec-mozilla it wants to remove gnome |
| 04:36.26 | homo | hello, i am in a bit of a dilemma here. i just switched from ubuntu to debian. all is well so far but my wireless card is not working on debian. i have a D-link model WUA-1340 and it worked fine with WINE on Ubuntu, but it is not working on Debian. I tried installing the driver using WINE but it doesn't seem to work. can someone help me? |
| 04:37.41 | user_ | How do I stop epihpany from using swfdec |
| 04:37.49 | user_ | I have the non free one installed |
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| 04:40.21 | adb | user_:ls .mozilla/plugins/ |
| 04:41.12 | user_ | nothing there |
| 04:41.20 | adb | user_: swfdec use libswfdecmozilla.so not libflashplayer.so |
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| 04:42.06 | user_ | I want epipahny to use libflashplayer.so |
| 04:42.09 | user_ | not swfdec |
| 04:42.09 | sloth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.09 | sloth | half as thick as his own wrist as -with a grunt of sexual ecstasy- he |
| 04:42.09 | sloth | began to spurt enormous quantities of cum into Christa's throat. |
| 04:42.09 | sloth | Greedily, she slurped and sucked on him as the tingle began to fade. Drop |
| 04:42.09 | sloth | by drop, she tried to stem the stream, but enormous quantities spilled out |
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| 04:42.14 | user_ | swfdec is broken |
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| 04:44.05 | nike | ls |
| 04:44.19 | hark | user_: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
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| 04:45.10 | hark | gnome is just a metapackage, it doesn't remove all of gnome |
| 04:45.32 | user_ | Gnome depends swfdec |
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| 04:47.42 | adb | ... i doubt , apt-cache show gnome |
| 04:48.24 | adb | err ... |
| 04:52.16 | adb | that's why i install always only gnome-core .. |
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| 04:54.42 | stickboy | this is odd. there is no update manager in admin on fresh stable install |
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| 04:59.49 | Bhavic | When installing from deb 5 netinstall, Does it install a new kernel? |
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| 05:00.35 | adb | yes |
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| 05:04.34 | homo | hey um is v 2.22.3 a stable and updated version of debian? |
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| 05:05.34 | adb | um ? |
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| 05:06.30 | mahesh | hello |
| 05:06.46 | mahesh | i have small problem with gnome in debian lenny |
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| 05:07.05 | mahesh | i am using nfs home directories |
| 05:07.08 | homo | okay i see why my wireless driver might not working with WINE now |
| 05:07.12 | ajavid | has anyone on lenny with .30 kernel tried to build vboxdrv? it fails to build in my case |
| 05:07.23 | ajavid | nothing too extraordinary in the logs |
| 05:07.46 | homo | in this case, i need some advice. what version should i update to...? |
| 05:07.50 | mahesh | gnome applications (like gnome terminal)failed to start from application menu |
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| 05:08.19 | mahesh | its showing "loadning" in the panel , but nothing is coming .. |
| 05:08.27 | ajavid | here is the buildlog, http://paste.debian.net/40714/ |
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| 05:08.45 | ajavid | I'm on stable with 2.6.30 using bpo kernel prebuilt) |
| 05:08.58 | ajavid | it failed on the custom .29 I had built also |
| 05:09.08 | ajavid | so I tried the .30 bpo kernel, and same result |
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| 05:14.02 | shafi_ | I have an installation script which needs the super user privelages , if I run it via sudo then it works fine, but if this script run by some normal users it complains for the permission, But I want all the users to be able to run this script with out any problem. how can I handle this? |
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| 05:16.56 | ajavid | it neds to run as root? |
| 05:16.58 | enouf | ajavid: just a guess from lines 25 and 26 - have you tried using fakeroot? |
| 05:17.15 | ajavid | !setuid |
| 05:17.16 | dpkg | [setuid] a bit which, when set on a program, makes the program execute with the privileges of the owner, as opposed to the person who ran it. Example: chmod u+s <file...> |
| 05:17.26 | ajavid | shafi_, this what you need? maybe |
| 05:17.33 | ajavid | enouf, no i have not |
| 05:17.36 | enouf | ajavid: what command are you giving to start? just make? |
| 05:17.53 | enouf | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 05:18.24 | enouf | you have a euid/egid issue it looks like ajavid |
| 05:19.07 | stickboy | why do i not have update manager on fresh install? |
| 05:19.17 | ajavid | I try module-assistant auto-install virtualbox-ose-source |
| 05:19.29 | ajavid | $>sudo m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source |
| 05:19.37 | enouf | shafi_: add those users to the /etc/sudoers file , but only allow them to run that script |
| 05:19.58 | bike^ | stickboy, the updater is patented and property software by ubuntu ^^ |
| 05:20.01 | ajavid | trying to build the vboxdrv module |
| 05:20.44 | stickboy | bike^, lies |
| 05:20.53 | bike^ | indeed |
| 05:21.01 | enouf | ajavid: well .. did you already grab the build-dep? i guess so .. m-a should i guess, .. break down m-a into get, build, install |
| 05:21.06 | bike^ | because its easier to do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:21.21 | bike^ | stickboy, * |
| 05:21.26 | stickboy | bike^, http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny-p2 that has it |
| 05:22.05 | bike^ | stickboy, just get the update-notifier with apt-get then you have it too |
| 05:22.27 | bike^ | debian isnt just a desktop centric distro |
| 05:22.31 | bike^ | its also a server centric distro |
| 05:22.35 | bike^ | or whaterver |
| 05:23.03 | bike^ | meaning ubuntu does the dekstop and debian borrows from them ;) |
| 05:23.06 | bike^ | or should |
| 05:23.10 | bike^ | or learns |
| 05:23.13 | stickboy | bike^, how? su -c apt-get install update-notifier ? i can an unknown id: install message |
| 05:23.51 | bike^ | try just su first or do sudo apt-get install update-notifier |
| 05:23.59 | bike^ | no idea what the -c does |
| 05:24.11 | bike^ | i cant stand sudo either |
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| 05:25.37 | stickboy | hm, got it |
| 05:26.13 | ajavid | enouf, i have 2.6.30, but it needed kbuild package which it pulled from stable |
| 05:26.23 | ajavid | dunno if that is causing a problem so im quickly backporting kbiuld |
| 05:27.38 | ajavid | dpkg-deb: building package `kbuild' in `../kbuild_0.1.98svn2318-1_amd64.deb'. |
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| 05:30.25 | homo | hello, #debian. i am new to debian (used ubuntu prior to install) and i have questions on how to install the Dlink WUA-1340 wireless card. On ubuntu I used WINE to install the driver and it worked fine, but it is not working on Debian. I have the latest stable version (lenny, 5.0). Does anyone know where I can find a linux driver for this card? |
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| 05:31.03 | homo | i searched the dlink website and got a zipped folder of source when looking for the driver |
| 05:31.06 | homo | can i use that? |
| 05:31.30 | bike^ | Lord^Anubis, any connection the Aros anubis? |
| 05:31.40 | Lord^Anubis | bike^: nah |
| 05:31.42 | bike^ | k |
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| 05:31.49 | bike^ | g'nite then =) |
| 05:31.57 | Lord^Anubis | later |
| 05:32.05 | Lord^Anubis | i haven't been on in while... |
| 05:32.32 | adb | ajavid: used ? linux-kbuild-2.6.30_2.6.30-1_i386.deb |
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| 05:33.43 | ajavid | let me find |
| 05:34.07 | ajavid | linux-kbuild-2.6.30: Installed: 2.6.30-1 |
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| 05:34.17 | ajavid | yup |
| 05:34.28 | miickee | Hey I need help getting the right debian lenny repositories for installing dvdrip or acidrip |
| 05:34.28 | ajavid | I didn't feel like building all of .30 |
| 05:34.33 | miickee | Mencoder will not install at all |
| 05:34.46 | ajavid | so I grabbed the .30 from bpo, and backported .30 kbuild as bpo doesn't contain it |
| 05:34.53 | adb | ajavid: ok , sorry for intervention |
| 05:35.13 | miickee | Does anyone know where i can get a complete list of lenny repositories? |
| 05:35.21 | ajavid | adb, no it was welcomed, any other ideas? feel free to throw em my way |
| 05:35.24 | ajavid | im kinda stumped |
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| 05:35.29 | Craigevil | miickee: use debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:35.51 | miickee | Using that in the sources.list by itself would not work |
| 05:36.17 | homo | ne1 know how to install a dlink wireless card on debian? |
| 05:36.35 | Craigevil | mencoder, dvdrip and aciprip are all in dmm's repo |
| 05:36.48 | miickee | dmm's? |
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| 05:37.05 | miickee | Ahh |
| 05:37.06 | Craigevil | debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:37.09 | miickee | Yes it is added now |
| 05:37.21 | Craigevil | !tell homo about wua-1340 |
| 05:37.39 | miickee | Ok the repo line did not work, "NO_PUBKEY ..." |
| 05:37.41 | adb | ajavid: 64 bit ? |
| 05:37.46 | ajavid | yes |
| 05:38.01 | homo | i've searched google all over for help |
| 05:38.03 | Craigevil | miickee: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 05:38.07 | homo | can anyone tell me what i can do? |
| 05:38.57 | miickee | Craigevil: it doesn't work cause it depends on these things that I can't install |
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| 05:39.01 | ajavid | adb, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.2 |
| 05:39.05 | miickee | Craigevil: like mencoder, dvdauthor etc |
| 05:39.13 | ajavid | apparantly the latest one even sid has is .29 |
| 05:39.16 | adb | ajavid: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 05:39.25 | Craigevil | why cant you install mencoder its in the dmm repo? |
| 05:39.30 | ajavid | adb, binary issues |
| 05:39.41 | ajavid | adb, the closed source version of vbox is totally broken here |
| 05:39.42 | adb | i doubt |
| 05:39.57 | \amethyst | huh? debian-multimedia-keyring depends on mencoder? |
| 05:39.59 | ajavid | adb, display is fucked starting from the Sun Vbox BIOS screen |
| 05:39.59 | miickee | Craigevil: because mencoder has other dependencies |
| 05:40.11 | Craigevil | pastebin your errors |
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| 05:41.17 | adb | ajavid: works well on 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 |
| 05:42.17 | ajavid | well lets try it |
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| 05:42.47 | ajavid | I could go with either .29 or .30 doesn't amtter |
| 05:42.51 | ajavid | i just need vbox to work |
| 05:43.08 | adb | well 2.2.4 not 3.0 |
| 05:43.13 | ajavid | hm |
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| 05:43.20 | ajavid | i should dl the binary of 2.2 |
| 05:43.33 | Craigevil | miickee: your dmm sources.list line looks like> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main correct? |
| 05:43.34 | adb | but try 3.0 even ,, |
| 05:44.15 | NotLim | hi... i have a question: how can avoid apt-get to install automatically at init.d? i mean, debian is wonderful... but i don't wan to install some thing at the startup. thanks! |
| 05:44.18 | ajavid | 3.0 is broken i tol dyou |
| 05:44.29 | ajavid | display is broken,I don't have compiz or anything either |
| 05:44.48 | ajavid | http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/2.2.4/virtualbox-2.2_2.2.4-47978_Debian_lenny_amd64.deb |
| 05:45.07 | adb | ok .. |
| 05:45.57 | ajavid | if nothing else works I'll just do soemthing else |
| 05:46.03 | miickee | Craigevil: it worked, just needed a lot of mucking around :) Thanks |
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| 05:46.59 | adb | ajavid: but remove first vbox-ose * |
| 05:47.21 | qiyong | how do remove lines beginning with 192.168 ? with sed? |
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| 05:47.44 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:47.48 | ajavid | adb, same thing |
| 05:47.53 | ajavid | adb, broken display |
| 05:47.56 | ajavid | fuzzy lines |
| 05:48.01 | adb | hmm |
| 05:48.28 | adb | ajavid: is your system the issue , i guess |
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| 05:49.02 | adb | ajavid: but installed fine ? |
| 05:49.04 | homo | Craigevil: thanks |
| 05:49.31 | Craigevil | homo: np dpkg knows everything :) |
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| 05:49.35 | ajavid | adb, http://picpaste.com/vbox.png |
| 05:49.58 | ajavid | adb, same display on 2.2.4 as on 3.0.0 (both closed source. ose won't build at all) |
| 05:50.04 | adb | X 7.4 ... |
| 05:50.25 | homo | <homo> awesome thanks |
| 05:50.25 | homo | <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:50.26 | ajavid | *** 1:7.4+3 0 |
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| 05:50.30 | ajavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.36 | ajavid | this is irirtating |
| 05:50.43 | adb | ajavid: X 7.3 is ok |
| 05:50.48 | ajavid | its cuztom built 7.4 |
| 05:50.54 | Craigevil | miickee: if you need other off the wall packages take a look at > http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/sourceslist.txt |
| 05:50.57 | ajavid | WHY the FUCK does it keep showing me the lenny repo |
| 05:51.04 | ajavid | it wasn't pulled from a damn repo |
| 05:51.09 | ajavid | wtf is going on |
| 05:51.57 | ajavid | adb, I ahve not checked on 7.3 yet |
| 05:52.47 | ajavid | well its working/running, let me enable rdp ffs |
| 05:52.52 | ajavid | i'll just use it that way |
| 05:52.59 | adb | ajavid: well X from lenny i meant , maybe not 7.3 |
| 05:53.10 | ajavid | lenny has 7.3 |
| 05:53.12 | adb | ok |
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| 05:54.04 | Craigevil | 7.4-3 is the satanic version thats in SId |
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| 05:56.24 | ajavid | well I pulled the sources from xorg but i used the build configurations from sid |
| 05:56.35 | ajavid | debianized it using sid stuff |
| 05:56.43 | ajavid | do you think thats why its showing up as like that? |
| 05:56.54 | ajavid | but why would it show the lenny repo on a custom pacakge |
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| 05:57.08 | ajavid | well whatever, thats not important.. I think i'll try rdp |
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| 06:02.02 | adb | ajavid: Setting up virtualbox-3.0 (3.0.0-49315_Debian_lenny) |
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| 06:03.11 | snopi | so i am running debian sid and something is really wrong |
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| 06:03.37 | snopi | i keep getting massive errors with aptitude update, i thought i had the keys and was ready but nope |
| 06:03.52 | miickee | Craigevil: I only installed this debian lenny today, never touched the xorg.conf file, but somehow it is empyu |
| 06:03.55 | miickee | *empty |
| 06:04.28 | miickee | And yes, it is the correct directory, /etc/X11/xorg.cong |
| 06:04.34 | miickee | *conf |
| 06:04.34 | Craigevil | its magic :) |
| 06:04.45 | snopi | why does aptitude update now pull sid-amd64? |
| 06:05.03 | miickee | How do I make a new xorg.conf file for my setup? |
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| 06:05.31 | snopi | also aptitude safe-upgrade just seg faulted |
| 06:05.45 | pl4yer0ne | miickee, these days X works pretty well without an xorg.conf mostely. so you could try that first. |
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| 06:06.58 | snopi | can anyone point me to where i can get some help on debian's apt/aptitude utils? |
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| 06:07.23 | pl4yer0ne | snopi, whats up? |
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| 06:07.37 | snopi | ok so aptitude safe-upgrade just segfaulted |
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| 06:07.59 | pl4yer0ne | oh noes! |
| 06:08.12 | snopi | also why does it pull sid-amd64 |
| 06:08.16 | pl4yer0ne | try apt-get update, and go again |
| 06:08.27 | snopi | that fails too but not with segfault |
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| 06:08.43 | pl4yer0ne | what do you mean it pulls sid-amd64? |
| 06:09.20 | snopi | update looks for sid-amd64 not just sid |
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| 06:09.38 | snopi | Ign http://ftp.us.debian.org sid-amd64 Release |
| 06:10.03 | pl4yer0ne | is it on a 64bit system? |
| 06:10.08 | snopi | i am |
| 06:10.16 | snopi | but it also tries sid-i386 |
| 06:10.16 | adb | snopi: paste sources list on paste.debian.net |
| 06:11.09 | adb | sid-amd64 , sid-i386 must be only sid |
| 06:11.21 | snopi | i dont know |
| 06:11.26 | adb | snopi: uname -r , says ? |
| 06:12.58 | snopi | 2.6.30-1-amd64 |
| 06:13.09 | snopi | http://paste.debian.net/40718/ |
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| 06:14.29 | snopi | any ideas? |
| 06:14.31 | adb | snopi: remove lines w / experimental |
| 06:14.59 | snopi | ok but pretty sure this is due to a pkg i installed recently(as in within the hour) that made changes to the apt directory |
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| 06:15.47 | adb | seems ok , do `aptitude update` after that |
| 06:15.57 | snopi | still failed |
| 06:16.16 | snopi | let me log it real quick |
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| 06:16.35 | maxxer | hi. any way to install iceweasel 3.5 in sid? |
| 06:16.48 | snopi | http://paste.debian.net/40719/ |
| 06:17.04 | streuner_ | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 06:17.05 | judd | streuner_: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 sid: 3.0.11-1 |
| 06:17.21 | streuner_ | hm, maybe its in experimental, let me check it out |
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| 06:18.00 | streuner_ | hm, nope |
| 06:18.05 | adb | snopi: remove lines w / experimental, i said |
| 06:18.08 | snopi | i did |
| 06:18.15 | adb | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org experimental-i386/main Packages |
| 06:18.20 | snopi | ya i know |
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| 06:18.23 | adb | paste `aptitude update` |
| 06:18.52 | snopi | it failed |
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| 06:19.30 | adb | what ? |
| 06:19.32 | snopi | paste: Get:1: No such file or directory |
| 06:19.59 | snopi | after printing the regular fail msg, it printed that line |
| 06:20.01 | adb | no , paste `aptitude update` in http://paste.debian.net |
| 06:20.14 | snopi | i did that already.... |
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| 06:20.27 | snopi | and sent the link |
| 06:20.32 | snopi | http://paste.debian.net/40719/ |
| 06:20.34 | adb | remove experimental firft |
| 06:20.44 | adb | first* |
| 06:21.11 | snopi | ok so i removed it from sources.list but my sources.list.d is no longer empty |
| 06:21.25 | snopi | thats where the extra stuff is coming from |
| 06:21.35 | adb | remove sources.list.d too |
| 06:21.41 | snopi | ia32-apt-get.amd64.ia32-apt-get-transitional.list |
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| 06:22.08 | snopi | i think its ia32-apt-get |
| 06:22.32 | adb | remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d too |
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| 06:23.17 | snopi | update worked fine when i renamed source.list.d |
| 06:23.45 | yaboo | on windows there is uedit or bbedit, whats the equivalent on linux please? |
| 06:24.24 | snopi | ok so why is there a ia32-apt-get? |
| 06:24.25 | ajavid | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1pre) Gecko/20090630 Firefox/3.5 GTB5 <- 3.5 on stable amd64 shiretoko build |
| 06:24.28 | ajavid | works perfectly |
| 06:24.36 | adb | dpkg: tell yaboo about search |
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| 06:24.58 | ajavid | for sid, just grab the firefox latest nightly svn trunk |
| 06:25.03 | ajavid | 3.6alph1 pre |
| 06:25.16 | ajavid | or grab 3.5, whatever |
| 06:25.29 | adb | ajavid: go #firefox |
| 06:25.30 | ajavid | unpack somewhere, launch with -P and create a new profile diff than 3.0 |
| 06:25.43 | ajavid | adb, why? |
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| 06:25.59 | adb | firefox is not supported here .. |
| 06:26.25 | ajavid | but no one minds of someone chooses to suppor it |
| 06:26.32 | snopi | abd: do you know why there is a pkg named ia32-apt-get? |
| 06:26.57 | ajavid | don't expect support of firefox on debian, but also don't assume that no one will ever support it |
| 06:27.24 | ajavid | when people say 'blah isn't supporoted here' it means we don't provide help on that product, but there are many software which people need to install in debian that is not packaged |
| 06:27.28 | raddmasta | Is there a big difference anyways? |
| 06:27.29 | ajavid | are you going to turn all those people away too? |
| 06:27.32 | adb | snopi: a32-apt-get get some 32 pkg in 64 bit? |
| 06:27.35 | ajavid | just thikn for a moment. |
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| 06:27.47 | snopi | well its the reason aptitude segfaults |
| 06:28.05 | adb | snopi: file a bug |
| 06:28.18 | snopi | where..., link please |
| 06:28.21 | adb | id not some already .. |
| 06:28.26 | adb | !bts |
| 06:28.26 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 06:28.27 | sattam | hi , iam trying to install software with APT , but i get this warning : http://pastebin.com/m506f360e |
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| 06:29.00 | adb | !reportbug |
| 06:29.00 | dpkg | reportbug is probably used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
| 06:29.08 | adb | snopi: ^^ |
| 06:29.28 | snopi | i am going :D |
| 06:29.50 | sattam | !apt |
| 06:29.51 | dpkg | APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
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| 06:30.30 | adb | sattam: /msg dpkg about key |
| 06:30.42 | sattam | whats the offical APT site ? |
| 06:31.20 | adb | sattam: do what i said |
| 06:31.29 | sattam | dpkg> are you using Windows?, sattam :D |
| 06:31.29 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, sattam |
| 06:31.40 | adb | !key |
| 06:31.40 | dpkg | key is, like, Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 06:31.54 | adb | sattam: ^^ |
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| 06:32.22 | sattam | dpkg: iam not using debian , i use linux mint [ ubuntu-based] , |
| 06:32.23 | dpkg | sattam: no idea |
| 06:32.38 | sattam | sorry i mean adb |
| 06:32.40 | adb | sattam: #mint |
| 06:32.47 | streuner_ | sattam: well, just join #mint then please |
| 06:32.58 | streuner_ | !mint |
| 06:32.58 | dpkg | Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 06:33.44 | sattam | adb: streuner_ there is no solution : http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=26343 |
| 06:33.58 | sattam | !crunchbang |
| 06:33.58 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution based on <Ubuntu>, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
| 06:34.35 | adb | dpkg: tell sattam about selftell |
| 06:35.13 | sattam | adb: iam sorry , |
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| 06:39.49 | dserban | can someone point me to the correct way to set options for module loading? |
| 06:39.51 | Agiofws | hi |
| 06:39.53 | Agiofws | can someone please help me set up ice dove as an MTA ? cause its not working for me with my web hosts email service ? |
| 06:39.55 | dserban | is it still in /etc/modules? |
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| 06:41.23 | ajavid | No diversion `diversion of /usr/bin/apt-get to /usr/bin/apt-get.real by ia32-apt-get', none removed |
| 06:41.23 | adb | dserban: salut , which modules ? |
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| 06:41.31 | ajavid | ahh what the fuck... |
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| 06:41.44 | ajavid | my sid box is fucked cuz of ia32-apt-get trying to overwrite apt-get |
| 06:41.49 | ajavid | omg. |
| 06:42.02 | dserban | tuner... it's detecting the wrong tuner type ... detects 6 but needs type=2 on modprobe... |
| 06:42.05 | ajavid | oh well, time to manually clean this piece of shit |
| 06:42.18 | ajavid | \amethyst, I can see why people would be pissed off |
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| 06:42.19 | adb | ajavid: file a bug |
| 06:42.22 | ajavid | \amethyst, so far this package has done nothing but piss people off |
| 06:42.24 | ajavid | adb, known. |
| 06:42.35 | ajavid | listbugs told me |
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| 06:42.43 | ajavid | i went ahead anyway, just to play around |
| 06:42.44 | ajavid | :) |
| 06:43.09 | adb | dserban: tuner ? radio |
| 06:43.22 | dserban | bttv |
| 06:43.31 | adb | !bttv |
| 06:43.31 | dpkg | methinks bttv is a driver for the bt848/bt878 tv tuner chip which is on most tv tuner card and you can find it at http://www.strusel007.de/linux/bttv/, or moved to http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html. MPEG-2 cards like PVR-250s should see <ivtv> |
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| 06:44.57 | ajavid | >sudo dpkg -r ia32-apt-get |
| 06:45.00 | ajavid | Removing ia32-apt-get ... |
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| 06:45.04 | ajavid | stupid fucking package |
| 06:45.09 | ajavid | I swear to god. |
| 06:45.14 | dserban | ok, well I know what bttv is ... just the debian way to set a preference for module loads |
| 06:45.24 | adb | ajavid: calm down , man |
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| 06:45.29 | ajavid | im just fuckailns;alkdflakjsdf |
| 06:45.30 | ajavid | sorry. |
| 06:45.54 | dserban | dude the kids are crying |
| 06:45.58 | sattam | brb |
| 06:47.07 | adb | dserban: i dunno , sure google has some docs around |
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| 06:53.07 | Scytale_ | i need to mount an ext4 partition, i fond out that the kernel in testing supports ext4dev |
| 06:53.25 | simonrvn | ext4dev is the old one... |
| 06:54.08 | Scytale_ | well, the kernel in stable doesn't allow me to mount an ext4 partition |
| 06:54.08 | xororand | hi. i'm about the encrypt the drives of a new server and i'm wondering if there's a fast alternative to: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda |
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| 06:54.22 | simonrvn | ah. so build one. |
| 06:54.33 | xororand | Scytale_: make-kpkg is your friend |
| 06:54.36 | Scytale_ | simonrvn, great, never done it |
| 06:54.44 | Scytale_ | :) |
| 06:54.58 | xororand | aptitude install kernel-package build-essential busybox |
| 06:55.13 | Scytale_ | xororand, ok, after that? |
| 06:55.14 | Scytale_ | :) |
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| 06:55.31 | rfrank_nj | how do i install grub off a netinst disk |
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| 06:56.04 | rfrank_nj | grub-installer complains that executing grub-install (hd0) failed |
| 06:56.19 | rfrank_nj | grub-install is not an available cmd |
| 06:56.37 | snopi | ok so i ran reportbug and i think it did things correctly but the email it said was mine, was way wrong....it was my username at my compname and thats not a real email....how can i check the report now? its not on the web yet |
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| 06:57.12 | Scytale_ | rfrank_nj, well, as i know, you need to run grub, after that setup (hd0) |
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| 06:58.39 | xororand | Scytale_: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
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| 06:59.14 | xororand | Scytale_: basically, extract vanilla kernel source to /usr/src, copy your current kernel .config to the source directory, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 06:59.19 | xororand | and you'll get a ready-to-use .deb |
| 06:59.31 | Scytale_ | :) |
| 06:59.36 | Scytale_ | that sounds easy |
| 07:00.11 | simonrvn | Scytale_: start by copying your current kernel's config (in /boot) |
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| 07:00.36 | xororand | Scytale_: it will most likely just work if you do things right. i run several debian lennies with 2.6.30 |
| 07:00.39 | simonrvn | i see xororand has it covered |
| 07:00.39 | Scytale_ | what vanilla kernel are you talking about? |
| 07:00.49 | Scytale_ | a...ok |
| 07:01.02 | xororand | Scytale_: the "vanilla kernel" is the plain source from http://kernel.org |
| 07:01.09 | xororand | unmodified, unpatched |
| 07:01.17 | Scytale_ | xororand, ok |
| 07:01.24 | bike^ | just pure love =) |
| 07:01.31 | xororand | :-D |
| 07:01.59 | xororand | is there a faster pseudo-RNG than /dev/urandom for multi-core systems? |
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| 07:02.06 | bike^ | for extra love check the testing folder under 2.6 |
| 07:02.21 | Scytale_ | In Debian Lenny (Testing), the following current packages provide ext4 support: |
| 07:02.22 | Scytale_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.22 | Scytale_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.36 | snopi | bike^: why not just use git? |
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| 07:02.47 | bike^ | well theres that |
| 07:03.03 | bike^ | not really necessary for x86 tho? |
| 07:03.15 | xororand | Scytale_: i wouldn't want to rely on old ext4 code. the filesystem is too young and fixes are steadily coming into new kernel versions |
| 07:03.27 | snopi | sure it is, if its "necessary" for anything why not x86? |
| 07:03.45 | bike^ | things happen rapidly enough with x86 |
| 07:04.03 | Scytale_ | xororand, well, i just want to mount it read only |
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| 07:06.55 | simonrvn | xororand: hardware rng |
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| 07:07.49 | xororand | simonrvn: it looks like /dev/urandom only uses 1 CPU core. this system has 8 |
| 07:08.07 | xororand | maybe there's some multi-threaded RNG in apt |
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| 07:11.14 | ronr | hi, after recent upgrades phpmyadmin suddenly gives me #1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) when I open the login screen, dpkg --purge phpmyadmin && apt-get install phpmyadmin fixes the problem, but a day later it's back :( any clues? |
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| 07:13.56 | rfrank_nj | the version of grub-installer on the latest debian netinst is broken |
| 07:14.40 | rfrank_nj | debian-502-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:14.57 | rfrank_nj | "Wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path>" |
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| 07:21.22 | Scytale_ | ok, so first of all, i'll install kernel-package build-essential busybox |
| 07:21.37 | Scytale_ | and make-kpkg? |
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| 07:22.14 | Scytale_ | xororand, |
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| 07:23.00 | sexybeast | how do i install mencoder? |
| 07:23.00 | dserban | ok, so I need to set a default option for the bttv module on load.... where is there documentation where I can find to do it the debian way? |
| 07:23.11 | sexybeast | it didnt come with mplayer :/ |
| 07:24.14 | xororand | Scytale_: the program make-kpkg is part of "kernel-package" |
| 07:24.18 | Scytale_ | ok |
| 07:24.29 | Scytale_ | i didn't find it |
| 07:24.31 | Scytale_ | :) |
| 07:24.42 | Scytale_ | but i found what you said |
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| 07:26.41 | Ignition-IRC | I've set up a lenny xen DomU with hvc0 as my console just as the wiki explains http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Nologinpromptwhenusing.60xmconsole.60 |
| 07:27.37 | Ignition-IRC | I now can't apt in this DomU as I get the following message |
| 07:27.38 | Ignition-IRC | Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 07:27.38 | Scytale_ | xororand, ok, i have the vanilla kernel, installed what you said |
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| 07:28.37 | Ignition-IRC | can anyone point out an approach to fix this problem |
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| 07:29.18 | scream_ | Ignition-IRC, did you use xen-tools to install the DomU? |
| 07:29.32 | Ignition-IRC | yes |
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| 07:30.51 | scream_ | Ignition-IRC, i had the same problem. you need to install and start udev. some CLI args were required for xen-tools |
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| 07:32.19 | Ignition-IRC | scream_: on the Dom0 before the image is made |
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| 07:33.01 | scream_ | yes |
| 07:33.06 | dserban | ok so... I'm having trouble here... if i do it via the command line... it works... set the module options... if I add a file called bttv and have a line that says options bttv tuner=2 ... well that doesn't work, the autodetect detects the wrong tuner... aarrgh |
| 07:33.14 | scream_ | Ignition-IRC, it will install udev trough debootstrap |
| 07:33.23 | dserban | how do you set a default option for a module to last through a reboot? |
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| 07:33.46 | Ignition-IRC | ok I'll give that a go will give that a go when I go to work in 30min |
| 07:34.41 | Ignition-IRC | scream_, did you find any other issues I may come across that I may need to be aware of? |
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| 07:35.01 | scream_ | Ignition-IRC, no, the server seems pretty stable :) |
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| 07:35.41 | Ignition-IRC | scream_, great thanks for your input, it saved me lots of time |
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| 07:36.17 | nirupama | when i install apache2 deb package I dont get any htdocs folder |
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| 07:36.33 | nirupama | may I know where htdocs folder is available when installed from deb |
| 07:36.49 | nirupama | The same apache source package gives /usr/local/apache2/htdocs |
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| 07:37.08 | nirupama | or is it available in /var/www/htdig ? |
| 07:37.19 | scream_ | Ignition-IRC, no prob |
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| 07:37.49 | trnzmeta | nirupama: no htdocs |
| 07:37.58 | trnzmeta | apache_root = /var/www |
| 07:38.15 | nirupama | trnzmeta, ok so i need to keep everything in /var/www |
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| 07:39.47 | Ignition-IRC | scream_, I'll eventually post a full walk through, including this issue do you want a link to any of your work? |
| 07:40.25 | scream_ | Ignition-IRC, you can bind mount the /dev, chroot to DomU and install the udev. no, thanks. :) |
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| 07:41.27 | Ignition-IRC | scream_, ok then thanks for everything |
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| 07:52.35 | enouf | Scytale_: lenny-backports has a 29 and/or 30, install, use |
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| 07:57.13 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4dev.ko |
| 07:57.16 | Breadcultist | my laptop has an ATI radeon mobility x300 card (old and crappy) and a 1280x800 screen, is it possible to set my monitor to a 4:3 ratio, say 800x600 without stretching (i.e. with black bars at the sides)? |
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| 07:58.25 | Lirion | havoc__ either by explicitly choosing them (sth. like \.[^\.]* or by choosing the folder instead of ./* |
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| 07:59.28 | Lirion | Breadcultist are ATI drivers able to do this at all? |
| 07:59.56 | Lirion | in one of my companies I work at a PC with a phew... I think 9xxx, and that driver can't |
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| 08:00.03 | Breadcultist | I don't think I'm even using the ATI drivers |
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| 08:00.12 | Lirion | I wouldn't wonder. you may think of ATI hardware what you like, but their drivers are shite. |
| 08:00.21 | Lirion | hm |
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| 08:00.36 | Lirion | lsmod should tell you which driver/module you use |
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| 08:03.09 | Breadcultist | I don't know what I'm looking for, but there's a line that says video 16432 0 |
| 08:04.13 | Breadcultist | might there be a way to do this with xrandr? |
| 08:04.17 | Lirion | havoc__ man 1 tar also gives you the option -X which may be another way - saying tar -cf xxx.tar <foldername> -X PATTERN, if you like to archive only your dotfiles and -dirs |
| 08:04.41 | Lirion | Breadcultist good question... I for myself don't know that |
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| 08:04.50 | enouf | Breadcultist: grep drv /var/log/Xorg,0,log |
| 08:05.07 | enouf | !xrandr |
| 08:05.07 | dpkg | [xrandr] a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 08:05.18 | Lirion | most experience here is with nvidia - for 8 years now I'm into nvidia, for driver reasons as well in the later years |
| 08:05.21 | flaarg | wohoo |
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| 08:05.32 | Lirion | ati only at work. |
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| 08:06.30 | Breadcultist | I found this (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so |
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| 08:09.31 | enouf | Breadcultist: man radeon , ask in #radeon |
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| 08:10.25 | sylarr | anyone know how to mount ocfs2 snapshot while the source of the snapshot is also mounted? |
| 08:10.42 | Breadcultist | alright, thanks |
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| 08:11.59 | enouf | Breadcultist: i don't see how though without losing screenspace _somewhere_ to meet your non-stretching requirements on a 5:4 ish Display size |
| 08:12.13 | enouf | er worse |
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| 08:12.40 | enouf | no wait - heh .. |
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| 08:14.29 | enouf | you would need 1064x800 .. to keep the 800 |
| 08:14.42 | JJOliver | Hi I'm having a spot of trouble connecting my new lenny install wirelessly. |
| 08:14.53 | JJOliver | According to the AP my mac address is connected. |
| 08:15.03 | JJOliver | but I cannot ping it nor any other ip on my network. |
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| 08:15.52 | enouf | or 1280x960 to keep the 1280 |
| 08:16.22 | jmoncayo | hey guys i am trying to set up a freeradius server, i was wondering if any of you could help me. When i start the server with freeradius -X it fails when loading the modules for Virtual servers, it says not such Auth-type |
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| 08:17.54 | JJOliver | jmoncayo: I'm gonna have to set up freeradius at some point . . . hope you get it working. |
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| 08:18.25 | jmoncayo | JJOliver: i hope so too |
| 08:18.44 | JJOliver | jmoncayo: out of interest, what are you using it to achieve? |
| 08:18.57 | enouf | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg <each of these, one at a time> radiusd-freeradius ;; freeradius ;; radius |
| 08:19.02 | havoc__ | thanks lirion |
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| 08:19.34 | jmoncayo | enouf: thanks a lot |
| 08:19.40 | jmoncayo | JJOliver: for a chillispot config |
| 08:19.49 | JJOliver | jmoncayo: cool |
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| 08:22.15 | JJOliver | jmoncayo: I have 2 firewalls that have freeradius authentication built in already, I need to set up the server though . . . |
| 08:22.35 | jmoncayo | cool |
| 08:23.11 | JJOliver | jmoncayo: i'm hoping it can all be done through a SSO domain login. |
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| 08:26.06 | Linux_User | http://linuxsucks1.blogspot.com/ |
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| 08:27.23 | OpenTokix | amusing =) |
| 08:28.39 | JJOliver | "Use windows . .. until a real distro that works with _all_ hardware by default." What size install does this guy want? |
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| 08:28.57 | kukaa | hi all |
| 08:29.00 | OpenTokix | And since when did windows work with all hardware? |
| 08:29.03 | JJOliver | Windows . . . doesn't . . . |
| 08:29.22 | JJOliver | Mac does but then they choose what parts go in their machines and write the OS specifically for those parts . . . |
| 08:29.46 | kukaa | how do i setup, kernel messages dont print to all vt, only to tty12? |
| 08:29.49 | JJOliver | Perhaps he hasn't needed to use a Mac Pro with non-official cards. |
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| 08:30.15 | OpenTokix | JJOliver: OS X is enourmus |
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| 08:30.31 | OpenTokix | JJOliver: just almost 3G of printer-drivers =) |
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| 08:30.46 | mesa_booger | Helloworld: audigy isn't supported by windows. you need the driver disk |
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| 08:31.13 | miickee | Hey guys, I'm running debian lenny and I've added a new printer, it found it fine, just is not printing. |
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| 08:31.23 | JJOliver | OpenTokix: yes but it does 'just work' |
| 08:31.27 | OpenTokix | JJOliver: yeah |
| 08:31.34 | OpenTokix | JJOliver: And it's a bloatfest like no other |
| 08:31.45 | JJOliver | OpenTokix: when does the new 'lite |
| 08:31.51 | JJOliver | ergh my fat fingers |
| 08:31.57 | JJOliver | when does the new 'lite' os come out? |
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| 08:32.06 | OpenTokix | JJOliver: huh? |
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| 08:32.20 | OpenTokix | Well well, we are straying off topic here for this channel now |
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| 08:33.24 | JJOliver | OpenTokix: the next OS X release is aimed to be a featureless upgrade but making it much lighter and smaller |
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| 08:34.07 | snopi | how is possible that k3b is not in sid but its in stable? |
| 08:36.28 | JJOliver | OpenTokix: which i'm very keen on. It may have already been released, I am a little behind the mac times, what with being in Uganda and right out in the bush. |
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| 08:39.29 | mamalujo | um, I was having some severe issues w X when I tried unstable version. reverting to testing 'solved' them, but its imposible to build nouveau w it, which was my motive for the upgrade. At the very least, the keyboard doesnt function properly, at the very least, its impossible to go to a virtual console, _after_ logging in via SLIM. I think my down arrow key didnt work either, others did, and basically the whole thing would freeze in ... |
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| 08:39.36 | mamalujo | ... first seconds of interaction. Is this something familiar to sid users, or some idiosyncrasy of my system? |
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| 08:40.50 | mamalujo | well, tens of seconds at least ;) |
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| 08:43.15 | rexwin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.15 | rexwin | hi want to aptitude search for packages which have a description that says PHP based. how do you do that? |
| 08:44.41 | JJOliver | rexwin: I use apt so it'd be apt-cache search <string> |
| 08:44.57 | JJOliver | but maybe aptitude works with a -cache?! |
| 08:44.57 | rexwin | aptitude search php | grep based gives only php named packages but there are others such as orangehrm which doesnot get listed |
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| 08:48.27 | Nz17 | How can I limit network speed? |
| 08:48.57 | jmoncayo | will it be a problem if i install a sarge package under lenny? |
| 08:49.01 | djr | Trying to install debian etch. Possibly a rather old image. When installing packages, it hangs on 5%. Looking at debug terminal I see warnings about untrusted packages, and 'Enter "Yes" to continue' - which I of course can't do in that terminal. What's the solution for this? Use apt-get to accept untrusted key or something? |
| 08:49.07 | Nz17 | OMG yes! |
| 08:49.08 | Nz17 | ;) |
| 08:49.11 | Nz17 | Just kidding. |
| 08:49.15 | Nz17 | It won't hurt one iota. |
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| 08:49.53 | Nz17 | jmoncayo: The sarge package will be fine. |
| 08:49.59 | jmoncayo | thanks a lot |
| 08:50.22 | Nz17 | djr: You need to add the key for the repository to your list. |
| 08:50.27 | rudi_s | rexwin: When you're in aptitude you can use /~dphp (~d = description), and then n to go to the next package. (Limit would also work.) |
| 08:51.02 | hark | djr: get the latest etch image, this was a known issu for etch pre-releases iirc |
| 08:51.13 | enouf | !5% |
| 08:51.14 | dpkg | 0.05 |
| 08:51.17 | enouf | heh |
| 08:51.22 | hark | !5% error |
| 08:51.23 | dpkg | i heard 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
| 08:51.31 | enouf | listvals '5\%' |
| 08:51.33 | Lirion | rudi_s: wtf never seen that ~d option o.O where do I find that? |
| 08:51.40 | enouf | !listvals '5\%' |
| 08:51.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of '5\%' by value (13): 5% error ;; newos ;; availability ;; rj45 pinout ;; visa ;; ha ;; lzip ;; CMD: exploit (.*?) ;; september ;; tune2fs ;; leftover turkey ;; divx ;; msoe. |
| 08:51.45 | djr | Great, thanks guys + bot |
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| 08:51.49 | enouf | !5% error |
| 08:51.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
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| 08:52.25 | rudi_s | Lirion: It's not really an option, it's a search parameter you can enter when you search (/) or limit (l). It's descriped in the manual Help -> User's Manual |
| 08:52.32 | enouf | shoot .. man .. i am a walking zombie ..heh |
| 08:52.47 | hark | !lart enouf |
| 08:52.49 | dpkg | whips enouf with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
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| 08:53.10 | enouf | !error hark |
| 08:53.10 | JJOliver | !lart enouf |
| 08:53.11 | dpkg | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs enouf |
| 08:53.17 | Nz17 | Anyone want to help me with SSH? |
| 08:53.23 | enouf | hotmal? |
| 08:53.30 | Nz17 | Hotmail, perchance? |
| 08:53.31 | JJOliver | !lart enouf |
| 08:53.32 | dpkg | plops enouf into a giant vat of herring |
| 08:53.41 | mesa_booger | Helloworld: i've got 2 words for you : windows vista (collapses in paroxysms of uncontrollable mirth) |
| 08:53.41 | enouf | JJOliver: ok stop |
| 08:53.41 | JJOliver | herring? |
| 08:53.44 | enouf | !enouf |
| 08:53.45 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 08:53.48 | hark | that's enouf larting |
| 08:53.53 | JJOliver | This could be fun! |
| 08:54.07 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 08:54.08 | Lirion | rudi_s ah there's the point. never used the top screen menu of aptitude :) so I've learned sth again :D |
| 08:54.22 | rudi_s | ;-) |
| 08:54.23 | JJOliver | BTW My wireless still isn't working )-: |
| 08:54.35 | hark | what wireless card? |
| 08:54.46 | JJOliver | dunno, how do i find out? |
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| 08:55.01 | JJOliver | No wiat I do know |
| 08:55.09 | rudi_s | Lirion: I think the manual is also at /use/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/index.html |
| 08:55.09 | Lirion | JJOliver 1. lspci 2. open up your pc. both work in general. |
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| 08:55.34 | petemc | !whats my wireless |
| 08:55.35 | dpkg | Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/, or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
| 08:55.37 | JJOliver | intel corportation PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 08:55.42 | Lirion | generally I only use /usr/share/doc for things I don't get any concept about... my own laziness :D |
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| 08:56.13 | JJOliver | I installed the firmware that was missing on the install |
| 08:56.14 | rudi_s | Hehe. |
| 08:56.20 | JJOliver | My wireless AP says i'm connected |
| 08:56.34 | JJOliver | but I still can't ping or get traffic via wireless |
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| 08:57.48 | enouf | adb: why not make a factoid about debirf .. i mean someone recently PM'd me saying they heard from another that i'd know about a debian that runs entirely in RAM only .. heh .. checked the factoids, nada, searched bookmarks, found your links :-P (listen, if *buntu is good enough for a factoid, so is debirf ;-)) |
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| 08:58.53 | enouf | adb: you're probably finally sleeping by now - heh :-P |
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| 09:00.52 | enouf | Lirion: aptitude-doc-en pkg, IINM |
| 09:01.15 | enouf | or substitute -en with your native language :-) |
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| 09:03.14 | markwell | does anyone of you know if I can use disklabels in /etc/mdadm.conf? |
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| 09:03.49 | eshat | Hi guys, is there a way to get a compiled iceweasel 3.5, without waiting hours ? |
| 09:04.00 | Lirion | enouf: my native language isn't -en, yet I use to practice on things like this aaand well if you don't know how to read english manuals by instinct, then you waste time in IT :) |
| 09:04.21 | Lirion | ...and I see -de isn't available anyway, that narrows it down :D |
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| 09:05.24 | JJOliver | hrm |
| 09:06.10 | JJOliver | still can't get it working :( |
| 09:06.28 | eshat | quit |
| 09:06.32 | eshat | +/ |
| 09:06.34 | eshat | :) |
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| 09:07.42 | JJOliver | Owwww it's a WM3B2200BG that is grey on the page so it's 'unknown' if they will work or not. |
| 09:08.08 | JJOliver | I think i'll become a member of 'LinuxSucks' too, JK . . . |
| 09:09.11 | enouf | Lirion: huh? german isn't available? thats |
| 09:09.15 | enouf | too funny |
| 09:09.24 | Lirion | czech is, German not |
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| 09:09.50 | Lirion | but I don't need German to understand things :) so why bther |
| 09:10.17 | JJOliver | Lirion: because you can demands the utmost respect by having everything in your own language. |
| 09:10.24 | enouf | yikes, i guess they're no longer maintained? |
| 09:11.06 | enouf | there used to be some really large pkg, IIRC, that used to house many of the foreign languages |
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| 09:13.21 | sylarr | anyone know how to mount ocfs2 snapshot while the source of the snapshot is also mounted? |
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| 09:13.53 | Lirion | JJOliver btw did you check encryption negotiation between your AP and your card? |
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| 09:14.25 | Lirion | if your AP says your MAC is connected... then it maybe just doesn't allow it to use the network for given reasons |
| 09:14.44 | enouf | hrm .. i wonder if that horrific bug in aptitude man page in etch was the cause .. i can't even find what i thought were many more pkgs for Etch on pdo |
| 09:16.21 | JJOliver | Lirion: I don't have any encryption on the AP |
| 09:16.39 | JJOliver | and in /etc/network/interfaces there is no encryption set for eth1 (wireless) |
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| 09:17.25 | JJOliver | Appears though that I can download drivers from the intel webpage. |
| 09:17.51 | Lirion | 2200 should be supported by the kernel... afaicr |
| 09:17.56 | Lirion | for well some versions now :D |
| 09:18.02 | Lirion | but give it a try |
| 09:18.08 | enouf | guess i was just dreaming ... i checked older repos and Sarge versions, there were even less translations then |
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| 09:18.47 | petemc | !ipw2200 |
| 09:18.48 | dpkg | ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net |
| 09:19.51 | enouf | WM3B == WinModem Broadcom? heh |
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| 09:20.59 | JJOliver | I've done all that (install firmware, modprobe etc) and it's still not working |
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| 09:21.26 | enouf | JJOliver: try bypassing the AP at first? so you can home in on the issue? |
| 09:22.05 | enouf | are you sure your AP is even allowed to act as an AP? :-P |
| 09:22.10 | JJOliver | what do you mean bypassing the ap |
| 09:22.19 | poppiez | how can I tell which package depends on a package? e.g. x11-common is installed on my system and I want to know which package is using it |
| 09:22.23 | enouf | go straight to the router |
| 09:22.29 | enouf | or modem |
| 09:22.29 | JJOliver | and the AP works for some 100 other users (1000mw radio broadcasting over 4miles) |
| 09:22.43 | enouf | oh bull |
| 09:22.49 | JJOliver | bull what? |
| 09:23.08 | enouf | get a real AP ... like the one on the EmpireState Building |
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| 09:23.33 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 09:23.59 | JJOliver | I have a wifiG link 4miles up the road linking to the AP i'm trying to connect to, so lets just assume that my AP is working. |
| 09:24.00 | miickee | I need some help getting my printer to work with Debian lenny. On the same network a pc running ubuntu is using the same printer over network, I have the same settings and it won't even let me print a test page |
| 09:24.22 | enouf | there;s a ton of params listed in modinfo ipw2200 |
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| 09:25.03 | Lirion | miickee did you check the cups browser frontend? |
| 09:25.11 | Helloworld | Which version of GCC does deb testing use? |
| 09:25.16 | miickee | I have downloaded the cups .deb from the brother website |
| 09:25.23 | miickee | And installed it with dpkg |
| 09:25.30 | Breadcultist | is it possible to use xrandr to set a screen to an arbitrary resolution, or am I stuck with a predefined list of alternatives? |
| 09:25.30 | miickee | But after that I did not know what it was for |
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| 09:26.08 | SparFux | Hey guys, short question, for a minor problem of a missing Build-dependency for a package, should I report a bug? |
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| 09:26.37 | miickee | No, make sure you have the right repositories in your sources list and try installing those needed dependencies |
| 09:26.49 | DeSian | how to display all system infos in debian CPU, memory, ..etc ? |
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| 09:27.46 | Helloworld | Which version of GCC does deb testing use? |
| 09:27.58 | Lirion | Helloworld packages.debian.org . |
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| 09:28.05 | The_faiithful | DeSian, lshw |
| 09:28.10 | petemc | judd: versions gcc testing |
| 09:28.16 | judd | petemc: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-5 sid: 4:4.3.3-9 |
| 09:28.18 | SparFux | miickee: Well, the libboost-math1.38-dev is suggested, but not required by libboost-dev and thhe build-deps for gnash are only libboost-dev, though it needs libboost-math dev package to build. Isn't this wrong? Perhaps the maintainer of gnash did that when libboost-math-dev was required by libboost-dev and not only suggested. |
| 09:28.51 | DeSian | The_faiithful: command not found |
| 09:29.19 | xyan | DeSian: you have to install that, its an additional deb |
| 09:29.21 | The_faiithful | DeSian, are you root ? |
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| 09:29.22 | Lirion | DeSian package lshw |
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| 09:31.48 | JJOliver | madwifi is saying i need to connect as root, but when I click that button it says that I still need to log on as root (wheree the root login should be . . .) any suggestions? |
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| 09:32.42 | DeSian | is nothing about CPU and memory |
| 09:32.47 | DeSian | just usb |
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| 09:34.34 | petemc | !whats my hardware |
| 09:34.35 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 09:34.37 | xyan | DeSian: lshw, not lsusb |
| 09:34.46 | DeSian | xyan: yes |
| 09:34.53 | petemc | dmidecode is useful too |
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| 09:34.59 | xyan | DeSian: cat /proc/meminfo and cat proc /proc/cpuinfo may help |
| 09:35.17 | enouf | !myram |
| 09:35.18 | dpkg | i guess myram is install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 09:35.36 | DeSian | xyan: http://paste.debian.net/40727/ |
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| 09:35.42 | The_faiithful | DeSian, first of all you need to be root before executing the command, else you have another solution to get this info, "cat /proc/cpuinfo" for info about cpu.. |
| 09:35.58 | DeSian | enouf: i have no time to install all of this apps to see memory infos |
| 09:36.09 | DeSian | The_faiithful: i'm root |
| 09:36.10 | xyan | DeSian: pipe it to | less then lol |
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| 09:36.37 | DeSian | xyan: LOL to you |
| 09:36.38 | The_faiithful | xyan, LOL |
| 09:36.41 | DeSian | dude |
| 09:37.06 | enouf | Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 3 |
| 09:37.32 | enouf | DeSian: no time? we have no time for you |
| 09:37.35 | enouf | !hurry |
| 09:37.35 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
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| 09:38.09 | JJOliver | !lart enouf |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | hereby declares enouf a troll |
| 09:38.14 | DeSian | enouf: becuase make no sense you boot infos, i can used too |
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| 09:39.03 | enouf | apt-get install i2c-tools ; modprobe eeprom ; decode-dimms |
| 09:39.05 | enouf | done |
| 09:39.12 | DeSian | no thnx |
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| 09:39.30 | enouf | well, atleast this bot makes sense |
| 09:39.33 | valan | erg |
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| 09:39.52 | enouf | lshal is already there |
| 09:40.09 | djr | About the problem with getting stuck at 5% on etch install. I took latest(r7) etch netinstall from an officiall debian mirror, still same problem (as the old r5 I tried). What else is there to do? |
| 09:40.12 | enouf | JJOliver: you should've larted that other guy - he's the troll :-P |
| 09:40.31 | JJOliver | !lart JJOliver. |
| 09:40.31 | dpkg | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that JJOliver. is stuck to the floor |
| 09:40.49 | enouf | !new archive key |
| 09:40.49 | dpkg | If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>. |
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| 09:40.50 | JJOliver | (-: |
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| 09:41.05 | enouf | djr: ^^^^^^ |
| 09:41.08 | djr | thanks :) |
| 09:41.15 | Breadcultist | I managed to have a /msg dpkg !lart |
| 09:41.16 | anigma | what ftp server would you guys recommend? ftpd? |
| 09:41.23 | Breadcultist | whoops |
| 09:41.30 | enouf | djr: if that fails, do what the /msg dpkg 5% error tells you |
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| 09:42.19 | dpkg | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Breadcultist, courtesy of jjoliver |
| 09:42.24 | enouf | djr: wait, Etch? no Lenny? :-/ |
| 09:42.29 | shambat | I need to type special chars in pico/nano ... such as æøå , these chars turn into a hellish nightmare with my current config. How can I fix this? |
| 09:42.38 | valan | i recommend vsftpd |
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| 09:42.40 | JJOliver | Thanks Breadcultist. |
| 09:42.51 | djr | enouf: yup, for this particular machine I'd like etch |
| 09:42.55 | anigma | and why is that valan? |
| 09:43.13 | valan | because it's very secure ftpd :) |
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| 09:43.45 | enouf | shambat: try rxvt-unicode as the x-terminal-emulator ? |
| 09:43.49 | valan | wait why etch |
| 09:43.52 | DeSian | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.53 | JJOliver | anigma: depends why you need FTP, I just use a sftp and have individual logins to the server with the home dir as the /www/ |
| 09:44.03 | rudi_s | anigma: I would suggest that you only use ftp if it's really required, as ftp is not a very secure protocol. |
| 09:44.05 | miickee | I was wondering how I can change in debian the fact that whenever I go from a folder to a folder within that folder, it opens a new window for that folder. How can I make sure it opens that folder within the window already there? |
| 09:44.06 | JJOliver | and default login as sftp. |
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| 09:44.19 | enouf | shambat: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator to choose which is default |
| 09:44.20 | valan | ftps is secure though |
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| 09:44.24 | JJOliver | miickee: use the shfit key. |
| 09:44.40 | miickee | Another option apart from using the shift key? |
| 09:44.40 | JJOliver | -fi +if |
| 09:44.45 | anigma | JJOliver, I'm trying to exactly do what you're doing.. so... |
| 09:44.46 | djr | Why etch? To rule out that some problems I have with trac+agilo has got to do with the way Lenny has trac configured (to start with, it brakes trac due to the move of trac.cgi, but thats not the issue) |
| 09:45.01 | rudi_s | valan: True, but why install a ftp deamon if you can use ssh .. |
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| 09:45.25 | valan | djr so you would rather used outdated stuff than fix a problem? |
| 09:45.34 | djr | No, I said to rule out |
| 09:45.36 | anigma | JJOliver, what kind of configuration did you do? |
| 09:45.40 | valan | rudi_s because ssh isn't always an option |
| 09:45.48 | JJOliver | anigma: if you already have a user use any sftp client and log in via that. |
| 09:45.50 | valan | rudi_s and because sftp isn't always an option |
| 09:46.08 | rexwin | hi all.can you me ideas on creating linux infrastructure projects for final year computer science students to complete their degrees? |
| 09:46.10 | rudi_s | valan: You're right of course, but if possible I would recommend it instead of ftp. |
| 09:46.18 | valan | but if it is an option, then use it as one wouldn't need to set up an ftp daemon |
| 09:46.52 | valan | but i still prefer to use ftps instead of sftp |
| 09:46.53 | valan | that's just me though |
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| 09:47.23 | enouf | valan: he's got until atleast february 2010 to decide |
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| 09:47.40 | enouf | valan: ( djr and etch) |
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| 09:48.21 | enouf | (as far as possible security issues and major major bugs are concerned) |
| 09:48.22 | shambat | enouf: tried both urxvt and urxvtcd ... same result |
| 09:48.35 | enouf | those are in Debian? |
| 09:48.40 | djr | I don't quite agree that all etch packages is outdated either |
| 09:48.55 | djr | Im quite conservative, especially with production environment |
| 09:49.05 | enouf | shambat: maybe you need to add locales? /msg dpkg locales |
| 09:49.47 | enouf | shambat: is X running? are you using an xterm? echo $TERM says? |
| 09:49.53 | valan | eh |
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| 09:49.56 | valan | lenny is outdated |
| 09:49.58 | shambat | enouf: not using X |
| 09:50.08 | JJOliver | anigma: have you got it sorted? |
| 09:50.11 | enouf | so, it's a console and metakey mapping issue? |
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| 09:50.46 | enouf | loadkeys, dumpkeys, showkey come to ming |
| 09:50.50 | enouf | loadkeys, dumpkeys, showkey come to mind even |
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| 09:51.03 | valan | i love when things come to ming! |
| 09:51.18 | shambat | enouf: I can type my ø æ å in the console itself, but in pico/nano it just prints garbage and messes up the file content |
| 09:51.19 | enouf | judd: info console-setup |
| 09:51.20 | judd | enouf: console-setup (utils): is optional; Version: 1.28; Size: 462.6k; Installed: 1204k -- Set up the font and the keyboard on the console |
| 09:51.46 | enouf | shambat: i don't know what to tell you, use another editor? or ... |
| 09:52.11 | shambat | I guess...but I just got used to it :) |
| 09:52.17 | enouf | !keymap |
| 09:52.17 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 09:52.24 | JJOliver | anigma: if you need a specific account to link to a specific folder only then you can do that too. |
| 09:52.43 | JJOliver | So I have a www user that i give out info to other people to be able to sftp files up to my webserver. |
| 09:53.07 | JJOliver | That user's home dir is set to /srv/web/ (my webserver default dir) |
| 09:54.06 | JJOliver | And you also set up sftp as a shell by echo '/usr/lib/sftp-server' >> /etc/shells then usermod -s /usr/lib/sftp-server <user> |
| 09:54.36 | JJOliver | so that <user> default shell is sftp server and they can't ssh into your comp. |
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| 09:55.47 | enouf | you can setup some defaults for all new users you add in /etc/default/useradd |
| 09:55.57 | MrWax | is it possible to have a shared debian drive/folder which I can mount in a windows xp system? |
| 09:56.10 | JJOliver | MrWax: sure |
| 09:56.13 | JJOliver | Check out samba |
| 09:56.21 | MrWax | JJOliver: is this easy to config? |
| 09:56.37 | valan | usually |
| 09:56.48 | valan | has a very well documented conf file |
| 09:56.59 | JJOliver | Dunno. I'm in the process of semi-trying but I've not bothered yet, it does have a nice webGUI called swat but my swat doesn't load )-: |
| 09:57.23 | valan | kde also has a built in samba conf gui, but i've never messed with it |
| 09:57.24 | MrWax | valan: u use it often this way? |
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| 09:57.52 | valan | what way? |
| 09:58.20 | JJOliver | Samba is the ONLY way to do this, it gets windows, mac and linux networks talking together. |
| 09:58.35 | valan | JJOliver there's actually other ways |
| 09:58.44 | valan | but we don't need to go into that |
| 09:58.49 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 09:59.23 | valan | !:) |
| 09:59.24 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
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| 09:59.36 | JJOliver | valan: is KDE another desktop environment? |
| 09:59.51 | JJOliver | !:( |
| 09:59.51 | dpkg | awwwww, whats the matter?? |
| 10:00.00 | valan | !kde |
| 10:00.01 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get KDE, ask me about <install kde>. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 10:00.02 | JJOliver | !:p |
| 10:00.03 | dpkg | :P implies the last thing i said was a dumb joke, but directly represents me sticking out my tongue. not a punctuation mark. |
| 10:00.23 | valan | eh, go abuse the bot in /msg |
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| 10:00.48 | JJOliver | nah, it's more fun here, filling up peoples log files and such like. |
| 10:01.16 | valan | it's also rude and disrespectful |
| 10:01.36 | JJOliver | (-: |
| 10:01.58 | JJOliver | And on that note i'm gonna go get some lunch. |
| 10:02.06 | JJOliver | See what my house keeper has made me today. |
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| 10:11.07 | Koheleth | hi |
| 10:11.19 | Koheleth | is there a freenode complain channel? |
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| 10:12.14 | Koheleth | nothing to do with freenode btw |
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| 10:15.01 | Koheleth | quiet here :) |
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| 10:16.10 | Koheleth | is lenny better tan etch as a server then, if so why? |
| 10:16.20 | Koheleth | I run etch at the mo |
| 10:16.28 | Koheleth | than even |
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| 10:17.10 | Koheleth | Plesk say no to Lenny? |
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| 10:17.54 | Koheleth | like a morg here |
| 10:17.55 | valan | lenny is probably better because its more up to date |
| 10:17.58 | Koheleth | ue |
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| 10:18.30 | Koheleth | valan: Plesk not say yes though |
| 10:18.38 | Koheleth | I like to keep uptodate |
| 10:18.57 | valan | plesk? |
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| 10:19.13 | Koheleth | yeah, try google |
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| 10:19.38 | Koheleth | us hosters that run Deb |
| 10:19.39 | valan | i know what plesk is, i was just making sure you weren't misspelling please |
| 10:20.02 | Koheleth | hace cut sry |
| 10:20.12 | valan | what? |
| 10:20.13 | Koheleth | day off |
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| 10:20.37 | Koheleth | only time I get to solve a few things |
| 10:20.41 | miniBill | how to switch from lenny to the next release? |
| 10:21.02 | valan | what next release? lenny is current stable |
| 10:21.04 | JPT | just replace "lenny" by "testing" |
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| 10:21.13 | miniBill | I meant testing |
| 10:21.19 | miniBill | JPT: in sources.list? |
| 10:21.21 | JPT | yep |
| 10:21.24 | miniBill | ty |
| 10:21.25 | miniBill | bb |
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| 10:21.57 | JPT | i hope testing is currently stable enough to upgrade to it without messing up the whole system ;) |
| 10:22.10 | Koheleth | minibill not happy with lenny? |
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| 10:22.19 | Koheleth | only just released |
| 10:22.28 | JPT | don't know... maybe he's just curious |
| 10:22.31 | Koheleth | lol |
| 10:22.36 | valan | !testing |
| 10:22.36 | dpkg | [testing] A release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. Testing currently points to <squeeze> and as <lenny> has only just been released, squeeze users are in for a bumpy ride. Either be clueful or be told that you shouldn't be using testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html. Ask me about <testing faq><lenny->squeeze><testing security><moving target><dda><apt-listchanges><bts>. |
| 10:22.58 | Koheleth | very happy with etch |
| 10:23.11 | Koheleth | runs a great server |
| 10:23.20 | JPT | yeah... up and or downgrading is always a risk... |
| 10:23.33 | JPT | i messed up confixx on a vserver by upgrading xD |
| 10:23.36 | valan | well you got 8 months left with etch before they stop updating it iirc |
| 10:23.45 | Koheleth | shit |
| 10:23.46 | RedDragon | I made a fresh install of lenny yesterday, however ever since this I get constant disconnections from ssh and vnc however I can still ping the machine successfully. What could the reasons for this be? Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 10:24.29 | JPT | hmm |
| 10:24.45 | enouf | RedDragon: any wifi or AP involved? |
| 10:25.22 | enouf | RedDragon: when you ssh, use -vvv or something ,.. sounds like your DNS is going away / expiring? |
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| 10:26.20 | RedDragon | this is a ethernet connected machine |
| 10:26.31 | Koheleth | most are |
| 10:26.38 | RedDragon | no other machine on that subnet is having an issue |
| 10:26.56 | RedDragon | and yesterday when I had centos installed there has been no issue like this |
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| 10:27.18 | Koheleth | maybe its linux related :) |
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| 10:27.24 | enouf | also, are you sure the ISP (or whomever's in charge) isn't constantly changing the public IP? as what most Dialup providers and even DSL ones do? so something like dyndns.org might be used? i mean .. well nm |
| 10:28.07 | ajavid | I'm looking for linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but I can't find this pcakge anywhere |
| 10:28.08 | RedDragon | all ip addresses are static |
| 10:28.10 | enouf | RedDragon: oh, these are all private ranged IPs? |
| 10:28.33 | enouf | RedDragon: i was going to say, how can you be sure you're pinging the correct host :-P |
| 10:28.52 | enouf | ajavid: look for .30 in backports? |
| 10:28.56 | enouf | and/or sid |
| 10:28.59 | RedDragon | yeh it is correct :P the machine is on a private ip |
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| 10:29.05 | ajavid | why .30 |
| 10:29.14 | enouf | ajavid: it's fresh and exciting? |
| 10:29.17 | sponzor | hi i have acer aspire the version is linpus linux lite v1.0.13.E, and i cant go to console using ctrl alt f1,f2 etc.. |
| 10:29.22 | ajavid | I need .29 |
| 10:29.26 | Koheleth | aspire here |
| 10:29.33 | ajavid | I can't find it anywhere and it disappeared from sid |
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| 10:29.59 | sponzor | anyone knows the command to get to console? |
| 10:30.14 | Koheleth | alt f2 lol |
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| 10:31.09 | RedDragon | enouf: I know this isn't a network issue as I work for the isp and the server is in our datacentre :) |
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| 10:31.50 | sponzor | ok it runs run program, whats the name that i nead to write to go to console :P |
| 10:32.19 | Koheleth | RedDragon: you need some good engineers by the sounds |
| 10:32.33 | RedDragon | Do you know what is likely to cause this issue with regards to the configuration? |
| 10:32.50 | enouf | apt-cache is pissing me off .. but ok; |
| 10:32.51 | enouf | $ apt-cache search linux-kbuild |
| 10:32.52 | enouf | linux-kbuild-2.6.30 - Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.6.30 |
| 10:33.22 | enouf | RedDragon: not offhand, you have no idea why the connection gets dropped? |
| 10:33.44 | mamalujo | what might be causing problems w special characters in urxvt, xterm? VTs are fine, Xdefaults has not changed |
| 10:34.08 | Koheleth | probably just an outage, hardware problem |
| 10:34.09 | RedDragon | I can only think that it is something to do with the configuration of debian however I have only changed the interfaces file to get network connectivity |
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| 10:34.34 | Koheleth | its not always software |
| 10:34.36 | enouf | RedDragon: have you setup /etc/resolv.conf? using the resolvconf pkg? |
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| 10:35.01 | enouf | RedDragon: make sure avahi-daemon isn't running, kill it, then purge remove it |
| 10:35.01 | RedDragon | I setup the dns settings on installation |
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| 10:35.36 | RedDragon | I'll have to run down to the dc to check for these things. |
| 10:35.37 | enouf | netstat -tunap and lsof -i (and maybe -n) both, as root |
| 10:35.41 | Koheleth | its a data center |
| 10:35.45 | sponzor | run program "bach" tnx for help :P |
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| 10:35.53 | Koheleth | hardware for sure |
| 10:35.57 | Koheleth | not OS |
| 10:36.14 | pengwyn | anyone know any dr.web support? |
| 10:36.16 | RedDragon | this has stopped working since I installed debian so I highly doubt it |
| 10:36.21 | pengwyn | and IRC channel |
| 10:36.26 | pengwyn | an == and |
| 10:36.30 | enouf | Koheleth: he mentioned another OS was working fine yesterday - same hardware .. it's possible, but long shot |
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| 10:36.42 | pengwyn | anyone know any dr.web support? an irc ch |
| 10:36.45 | Koheleth | pengwyn: try the Plesk forums, they love it |
| 10:36.54 | enouf | RedDragon: can you boot a livecd or boot into other OS, and see if it happens? |
| 10:36.56 | pengwyn | thanks got a #xxxx? |
| 10:37.10 | RedDragon | enouf: I can give it a go |
| 10:37.19 | pengwyn | nm #plesk |
| 10:37.26 | Koheleth | plesk +forums in google will work I guess |
| 10:37.26 | pengwyn | thks |
| 10:37.36 | pengwyn | no forums.. heh |
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| 10:37.41 | pengwyn | I need help |
| 10:37.45 | Koheleth | a very good one |
| 10:37.48 | pengwyn | virut.ce |
| 10:37.53 | Koheleth | they just dont advertise |
| 10:37.58 | enouf | RedDragon: only other thing is like take tcpdump and use something like wireshark to read the results |
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| 10:38.03 | pengwyn | it's all good. thanks |
| 10:38.17 | Koheleth | will get you a url, hangon |
| 10:38.52 | Koheleth | http://forum.parallels.com/ |
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| 10:39.13 | anigma | what should I type to get my "group list" in bash? |
| 10:39.44 | Koheleth | try basic linux commands in google |
| 10:39.52 | RedDragon | enouf: I will take a look, thanks for helping |
| 10:40.02 | petemc | anigma: groups |
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| 10:40.36 | enouf | RedDragon: i suck at networking issues, also might try ##networking and ##linux |
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| 10:41.50 | Lirion | wtf |
| 10:41.50 | enouf | anigma: as petemc said, also man id, and even getent :-P |
| 10:42.01 | Lirion | my package gnome tells me it depends on transmission-gtk |
| 10:42.08 | enouf | here we go |
| 10:42.08 | pengwyn | Ya know I think I won't bug parallels. or plesk (ain't that a cPanel replacement?) with a "dr.web live cd" question |
| 10:42.18 | pengwyn | thanks for your help though... |
| 10:42.21 | enouf | Lirion: tell apt not to install recommends |
| 10:42.30 | Lirion | I use aptitude |
| 10:42.34 | enouf | or use -R with aptitude |
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| 10:42.55 | enouf | or aptitude why tranny |
| 10:42.58 | enouf | :-P |
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| 10:43.27 | sexybeast | how do i set the default shell for new users? |
| 10:43.45 | sexybeast | and a default expiration period |
| 10:43.49 | enouf | Lirion: /msg dpkg unmarkauto (if it is indeed a Depends, and not a Recommends) |
| 10:43.49 | petemc | pengwyn: but its ok to bug people here? |
| 10:43.56 | Koheleth | bugged |
| 10:44.08 | pengwyn | petemc did I fucking bug you? stfu |
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| 10:44.12 | petemc | heh |
| 10:44.13 | pengwyn | idiot |
| 10:44.14 | Koheleth | lol |
| 10:44.32 | Koheleth | does dr web work? |
| 10:44.40 | pengwyn | yeah it works great |
| 10:44.44 | Koheleth | have it on my serever |
| 10:44.49 | petemc | no 'bugs' ? |
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| 10:44.52 | Koheleth | free thankfully |
| 10:45.01 | Koheleth | sod paying for it |
| 10:45.18 | pengwyn | I got the free mini cd |
| 10:45.30 | pengwyn | trying to clean a box |
| 10:45.35 | Koheleth | imap on a linux server np lol |
| 10:45.38 | pengwyn | with virut.ce |
| 10:45.47 | enouf | sexybeast: unless there's a PAM module that allows for that, use passwd and -l to lock the account? .. not sure how to set it up for a time, maybe a cron? though that seems silly |
| 10:45.56 | pengwyn | contrary to those who say format |
| 10:45.56 | enouf | or at? heh |
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| 10:47.13 | enouf | sexybeast: in /etc/default/useradd you can setup defaults, or if you want to use adduser, see /etc/adduser.conf |
| 10:47.23 | Koheleth | anyway, my etch server is running perfect, thanks |
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| 10:47.38 | pengwyn | i can say this much, if a virut.ce ever hits a linux box as an equivalent exploit, the whole web won't last much longer |
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| 10:48.14 | petemc | fascinating.. |
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| 10:48.37 | Koheleth | anyone tried win 7 lol |
| 10:48.42 | pengwyn | while some might describe it terrorism, I call it an elegantd death |
| 10:49.23 | pengwyn | Koheleth, tried... yeah |
| 10:49.30 | pengwyn | passed |
| 10:49.34 | Koheleth | I like it, all works lol |
| 10:49.43 | pengwyn | xp still runs the hard core hardware |
| 10:49.48 | Koheleth | prolly kill buntu |
| 10:49.54 | pengwyn | at least for music and video |
| 10:49.58 | Koheleth | if they lower the price |
| 10:50.02 | petemc | its off topic for this channel |
| 10:50.03 | mquin | Koheleth: not extensivey, doesn't seem bad as windows goes - more polished than vista, as you would expect |
| 10:50.15 | Koheleth | Deb should really get into the server side |
| 10:50.17 | pengwyn | linux owns the servers, except the firewalls where bsd owns |
| 10:50.29 | Koheleth | yep |
| 10:50.58 | pengwyn | I can't run my mbox / m-powered protools they can suck |
| 10:52.12 | Koheleth | sry for offtopic |
| 10:52.21 | pengwyn | yep me too I'm done. |
| 10:52.25 | enouf | has an xp pro box that he won't even let SPs be installed on (it'll slow the p3 to a crawl if i allowed that) and, which i block ALL inet access to at the router :-P |
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| 10:53.01 | pengwyn | air gap is an option ;o) |
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| 10:53.28 | Koheleth | I still have my suse 9 pro, my new pc tells me to piss off when I try to install lol |
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| 10:53.43 | pengwyn | lol |
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| 10:53.52 | jmoncayo | hey guys i am trying to setup chillispot with freeradius, but i think i am missing something at the end of the rope, with radtest it works just fine, but from the chillispot i get Received packet from 127.0.0.1 with invalid Message-Authenticator! (Shared secret is incorrect.) Dropping packet without response. |
| 10:53.53 | Koheleth | SATA stuff I think |
| 10:53.54 | pengwyn | fravia would turn in his grave!!! |
| 10:53.58 | tragique | Hi all. |
| 10:54.04 | pengwyn | omfg |
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| 10:55.12 | tragique | Is there a way to know what paquet comes from which source ? For example, if one paquet comes from security, from lenny, from bpo or something else. |
| 10:55.23 | Lirion | enouf: uninstalling "gnome" without letting it kick any other package did it for mew |
| 10:55.29 | Lirion | s/mew/me |
| 10:55.38 | pengwyn | tragique? |
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| 10:55.43 | pengwyn | packet?? |
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| 10:55.48 | pengwyn | english? |
| 10:55.50 | Lirion | thanks for the hint to dpkg. somehow I didn't realize the source of thet problem |
| 10:55.51 | tragique | pengwyn: packet yes, sorry |
| 10:56.08 | enouf | Lirion: gnome, gnome-desktop, gnome-desktop-environment are all metapackages |
| 10:56.08 | tragique | Ok let me rephrase this : |
| 10:56.09 | pengwyn | ps aux? |
| 10:56.14 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 10:56.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 10:56.41 | pengwyn | my bad, tragique tried ps aux | more ? |
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| 10:56.56 | zhxk | hello, gentlemen, nice seeing you again, well, i know most of you are experts, well would you please advice me which pakage is good for connection proxy use? |
| 10:56.57 | Lirion | the irony in this is that I don't actually use gnome, I use e16 |
| 10:57.00 | enouf | !list repositories |
| 10:57.01 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 10:57.06 | enouf | tragique: ^^^^^ |
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| 10:57.44 | pengwyn | package? |
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| 10:57.49 | enouf | tragique: it's not packet (that's for ethernet), it's "package" as in a .deb |
| 10:57.50 | pengwyn | slap me with big fish |
| 10:57.51 | zhxk | yep |
| 10:57.59 | tragique | If I do "dpkg -l" I have no clue if wget comes from ftp.debian.org lenny or from bpo. All I can do is dpkg -l | grep "lenny" or grep "etch", but it works only for packets with etch or lenny in their names. some packets from bpo alos have bpo in their name |
| 10:58.06 | tragique | enouf: thanks i'll watch this |
| 10:58.25 | enouf | tragique: apt-show-versions might also help - and even rmadison |
| 10:58.27 | tragique | Oh yeah package. Sorry I knew it. Translation problem. |
| 10:58.35 | enouf | erm .. |
| 10:58.37 | pengwyn | sorry |
| 10:58.41 | enouf | tragique: no worries |
| 11:00.22 | enouf | Lirion: neither do i, nor have i ever, but many things seem to depend on gtk/gtk+ :-P |
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| 11:00.46 | enouf | Lirion: /msg dpkg remove gnome (fwiw) |
| 11:01.00 | pengwyn | welp strangely enough, I have to shut up, since the latest deb I run is lenny. Not to say I don't compile or try to hack in other packages... |
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| 11:01.58 | enouf | zhxk: all i can tell you is google, and man apt.conf to see how to configure apt to use a proxy |
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| 11:02.48 | tragique | Whoa the dpkg -l piped 3 times gives me a headhacke, but it works, i'm trying apt-show-version, cause there's no way i can remember this long command line later :) |
| 11:03.18 | sexybeast | if i compile freebsd adduser in debian will it work? |
| 11:03.33 | pengwyn | anyway, LOVE to you all. and even the ones that hate me.. I STILL LOVE YOU STFU! /later0n |
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| 11:04.20 | enouf | tragique: store long commands in a file with comments, you can later reference, and use ~/.bash_history ;-) |
| 11:04.51 | enouf | tragique: ctrl-r you will love; 'help history' as well |
| 11:05.05 | Lirion | enouf: that leaves with all libraries I still may need for applications I use under e16? - and I started with KDE, soon finding that it's too heavyweight and not as flexible as sth like enlightenment :D |
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| 11:05.36 | enouf | sexybeast: maybe .. well no, not even in KFreeBSD, since that's the BSD Kernel + GNU Userland :-P |
| 11:05.55 | Koheleth | will they ever finish the e16 etc |
| 11:06.00 | tragique | enouf: yes, that's indeed a good idead, thx |
| 11:06.13 | zhxk | enouf:ok, thanks |
| 11:06.21 | enouf | Lirion: try lxde (or xmonad and *box) as WMs |
| 11:06.55 | Lirion | xmonad would require Haskell knowledge for configuring, wouldn't it? I already tried *box, but not lxde |
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| 11:07.33 | Lirion | so far e16 is quite sexy for its mixture of functionality and design. it's not TOO sober, but enough to work fine |
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| 11:08.54 | enouf | i think i lingered in their channel .. er no, that was xmonad, er no .. it was .. i forget, some REALLY lightweight WM, newer, not dwm, something starting with a 'u' IIRC, anyways ... http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian |
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| 11:11.04 | enouf | it wasn't uwm / ude either ... nm |
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| 11:14.54 | miickee | How can i change the property that when idle for a certain amount of time it doesn't log me out of my account? |
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| 11:22.55 | poppiez | hi, when I open a console .bash_profile doesn't get read. in my .bash_profile I'm sourcing .bashrc and .bashrc never comes into play because .bash_profile doesn't get read |
| 11:23.08 | poppiez | so how can I specify that .bash_profile should be used? |
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| 11:23.18 | edwin | hi |
| 11:23.18 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i am having a really bad time with chillispot and freeradius |
| 11:23.32 | edwin | there was a way to display the NEWS file after an apt-get/aptitude install, but I can't seem to find it anymore |
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| 11:23.49 | edwin | something like apt-listbugs, does anyone remember where to configure that? |
| 11:24.09 | jmoncayo | if i use radtest it works, but if i use chillispot i get invalid Message-Authenticator! (Shared secret is incorrect.) |
| 11:24.19 | jmoncayo | anyone wants to help |
| 11:24.40 | edwin | ah, apt-listchanges |
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| 11:26.04 | p0g0__ | miickee: re: your madwifi/debian question- there is a doc you might want to read- http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian |
| 11:26.29 | enouf | edwin: yep, dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges when you want to alter something about it - or edit /etc/apt/list.changes or whatever it is |
| 11:27.12 | enouf | miickee: are you logged into X? using GDM? |
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| 11:29.07 | enouf | p0g0__: was that madwifi issue from way earlier? i don't see anything related recently (just checking if you have the correct nick - i often screw up like that :-P) |
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| 11:30.13 | enouf | p0g0__: heh, even a /lastlog miickee doesn't show anything related :-P |
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| 11:30.26 | mosno | woo irssi |
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| 11:31.13 | enouf | wait .. crap .. i need to mess with CUPS again *sigh* and a HP USB inkjet .. ugh |
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| 11:32.01 | enouf | last time, it was a Lexmark POFS, usb inkjet .. and cups reported everything worked fine, and nothing ever actually printed :-/ |
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| 11:32.42 | enouf | needs more scotch whiskey for this :-P |
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| 11:33.12 | miickee | How can I make sure debian doesn't automatically logout after a certain time |
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| 11:35.34 | petemc | enouf: itym scotch whisky |
| 11:36.02 | enouf | !itym |
| 11:36.02 | dpkg | methinks itym is I Think You Mean |
| 11:36.15 | lirion`reco | petemc +1 |
| 11:36.24 | enouf | petemc: no, i meant whiskey - not coloured |
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| 11:36.51 | petemc | ... |
| 11:37.02 | enouf | is it Genoa or Genova? |
| 11:37.20 | Lirion | genova |
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| 11:37.26 | Lirion | if you mean the Italian city :> |
| 11:37.26 | enouf | you want to play semantics? ok, lets |
| 11:37.33 | enouf | Lirion: correct |
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| 11:37.59 | enouf | *let's* even |
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| 11:39.19 | RedDragon | enouf: it seemed to be the avahi-daemon |
| 11:39.38 | enouf | RedDragon: bingo! |
| 11:39.46 | RedDragon | Gnome has a dependency for this package though, so I will have to just disable it at boot |
| 11:39.53 | enouf | !nuke avahi-daemon |
| 11:39.54 | dpkg | fires a 70 yoctoton thermonuclear weapon at avahi-daemon |
| 11:40.09 | enouf | RedDragon: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 11:40.13 | enouf | is my fav |
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| 11:40.34 | enouf | RedDragon: or apt-get --purge remove avahi-* |
| 11:40.41 | RedDragon | hmm |
| 11:40.46 | RedDragon | maybe I spoke too soon |
| 11:41.11 | RedDragon | it was working up until the point I connected to vnc and started using it for a few minutes |
| 11:41.21 | enouf | RedDragon: /msg dpkg unmarkauto ..i don't know which is Depends, or pulled in through Recommends (but Recommends is ENABLED via default, you can DISABLE that) |
| 11:41.24 | RedDragon | it must have something to do with vino-server |
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| 11:46.35 | enouf | !listvals vino |
| 11:46.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vino' by value (1): oss. |
| 11:46.48 | mamalujo | lol I lost my cursor1 its invisible but exist. how to try to redraw it? |
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| 11:47.52 | rgz | Does the debian-31r0-i386-netinst.iso include bare-essentials (gcc/gdb/bash/kernel) ? |
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| 11:50.28 | Shadur | gcc isn't bare essentials, it's build-essentials I think. |
| 11:51.17 | rgz | Why is the debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso so hard to find ... |
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| 11:52.27 | Shadur | rgz: Probably because we're at version 5.0.2 by now and only very old archives still carry 3.1 maybe? |
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| 11:54.10 | rgz | Shadur: The 3.1r8 was recently patched, I'm looking for the unpatched original release. |
| 11:54.22 | dukebody | Hello, I got debian lenny installed and would like to install Mercurial 1.1, but it isn't in the lenny repos nor in lenny-backports. What's the best option to install Mercurial 1.1 in lenny? Source? 3rd-party repos? |
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| 11:54.58 | kripz | Is there a cli program to download a list of files from rapidshare.com/uploading.com etc? |
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| 11:55.20 | rgz | kripz: lynx? |
| 11:55.30 | kripz | I need to queue them |
| 11:55.42 | rgz | dukebody: I'd install it via source |
| 11:56.13 | guyzmo | hi |
| 11:56.20 | guyzmo | I'm using a 4.0 netinstall cd |
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| 11:56.45 | rgz | guyzmo: 5.0.2 is current. |
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| 11:56.46 | guyzmo | but when pkgsel is running I got a warning about untrusted source where I got to enter "Yes or No" |
| 11:56.47 | dukebody | rgz: but that way I would lose control of installed files and wouldn't be able to uninstall via apt-get, right? |
| 11:56.53 | hark | rgz: you can get the netinst/business card, not sure about the cd version |
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| 11:57.03 | anigma | is identd installed by default on lenny? |
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| 11:57.10 | guyzmo | though I can't enter anything, input has been taken by the install app |
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| 11:57.45 | guyzmo | rgz - yup, but I try to avoid burning a CD for every release... I already got about 20 CDs of different versions of debian |
| 11:57.49 | hark | !5% error |
| 11:57.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
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| 11:58.10 | anigma | !identd |
| 11:58.10 | dpkg | identd is probably a daemon providing the <ident> service. "apt-cache search identd". Ask me about <midentd> or <oidentd> if masquerading support is required. nullidentd can be used if internal system relaying is not necessary. |
| 11:58.42 | guyzmo | hark - :* |
| 11:58.44 | guyzmo | thanks a lot |
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| 11:59.40 | mamalujo | no suggestions on making the cursor appear? |
| 11:59.53 | debuz | hi all |
| 12:00.02 | debuz | does anyone use ekiga with asterisk here? |
| 12:00.12 | debuz | I'm having some trouble making simple sip calls... basic stuff =/ |
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| 12:00.34 | debuz | or... what softphones do u guys use? |
| 12:00.38 | debuz | any to recomend? |
| 12:01.16 | anigma | which identd daemon would you guys recommend? |
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| 12:01.53 | debuz | pidentd has des support |
| 12:01.59 | debuz | and it's implemented here where I work |
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| 12:02.03 | debuz | works pretty well |
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| 12:02.54 | debuz | brb |
| 12:03.08 | anigma | oh |
| 12:03.09 | anigma | ok |
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| 12:15.54 | felix__ | hi all |
| 12:16.12 | felix__ | i need some help, my production server wont boot anymore, it gets hold up in one daemon |
| 12:16.19 | felix__ | how can I skip that daemon? |
| 12:16.33 | felix__ | like in red hat the interact boot... |
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| 12:17.38 | abrotman | felix__: which daemon? |
| 12:18.08 | afloofloo | my text editor hang before saving the file.. can i dump a process ram image to file somehow? |
| 12:18.53 | nkuttler | afloofloo: which editor? |
| 12:19.47 | nkuttler | felix__: you could boot in single user mode and deactivate it |
| 12:19.48 | CodeBlock | Hi i'm having some issues here.. Somehow my locales got messed up.. and so i'm trying to reinstall locales and.... not having luck. http://bits.eighthbit.net/bits/66 |
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| 12:20.42 | stephan481 | hi, http://abc123.pastebin.com/d175aef3a how do i have to change this to fit to debian(this is for cent os)? |
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| 12:21.47 | CodeBlock | sighs. |
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| 12:22.01 | nkuttler | CodeBlock: try apt-get -f install or aptitude ? |
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| 12:22.22 | abrotman | CodeBlock: try using aptitude |
| 12:22.47 | abrotman | CodeBlock: what does `uname -a` say ? |
| 12:23.06 | CodeBlock | abrotman: Linux nix 2.6.18-92.1.13.el5.028stab059.6PAE #1 SMP Fri Nov 14 20:46:53 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux (it's a vps) |
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| 12:23.13 | CodeBlock | (thus the EL5 kernel) |
| 12:23.18 | abrotman | i can see that |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | CodeBlock: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:24.04 | CodeBlock | abrotman: ii libc6 2.9-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:24.14 | CodeBlock | ...fail spacing. |
| 12:24.25 | abrotman | uhm .. what have you done to your system? |
| 12:24.29 | felix__ | nkutter: thx I booted in singlemode and deacitvated the daemon doing update-rc.d -f nagios remove |
| 12:24.33 | CodeBlock | abrotman: :S |
| 12:24.35 | felix__ | now I will troubleshoot it |
| 12:24.45 | abrotman | you've got an etch-aged kernel, lenny's locales, and some random libc6 |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | CodeBlock: put your sources.list in a pastebin please |
| 12:24.56 | nkuttler | looks like testing |
| 12:25.13 | abrotman | nkuttler: not with what the locales is asking for .. locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 |
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| 12:25.20 | nkuttler | right |
| 12:25.25 | CodeBlock | abrotman: http://bits.eighthbit.net/bits/67 |
| 12:25.40 | abrotman | CodeBlock: did you install packages from sid/squeeze/ubuntu ? |
| 12:25.52 | CodeBlock | abrotman: not that I recall :/ |
| 12:25.57 | abrotman | someone did |
| 12:26.21 | abrotman | CodeBlock: paste `apt-cache policy libc6` |
| 12:26.25 | CodeBlock | abrotman: aptitude offers to downgrade libc6 to 2.7..but .. :S |
| 12:27.06 | abrotman | this is why mixing is bad .. right kids? |
| 12:27.06 | CodeBlock | abrotman: http://bits.eighthbit.net/bits/68 |
| 12:27.31 | abrotman | CodeBlock: well .. lovely mess you've got here .. |
| 12:27.42 | abrotman | CodeBlock: what did you install that depends on libc 2.9 ? |
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| 12:28.25 | badcloud | hey all |
| 12:28.25 | CodeBlock | abrotman: nothing that i recall :( .. i remember getting into a mess trying to install mono with apache.. but... |
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| 12:29.00 | badcloud | which config file do I have to edit to allow ssh access to a machine hooked up to a local wireless network? |
| 12:29.13 | CodeBlock | abrotman: if i use aptitude..and downgrade libc6.. what will happen? |
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| 12:30.05 | careta | hello |
| 12:30.17 | abrotman | CodeBlock: it will uninstall whatever you installed that depended on libc6 2.9 |
| 12:30.25 | abrotman | CodeBlock: and other badness may ensue |
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| 12:30.26 | nkuttler | badcloud: you shouldn't have to edit anything |
| 12:30.31 | CodeBlock | abrotman: can't hurt anything system-wide though? |
| 12:30.33 | careta | when i start my computer it always says - on battery, skipping file system check, even if the battery is not connected and i'm running on AC power |
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| 12:30.39 | abrotman | CodeBlock: debian packages aren't really meant to be downgraded .. |
| 12:30.52 | badcloud | nkuttler, I'm getting a timeout when trying to connect |
| 12:31.19 | nkuttler | badcloud: check your firewall? |
| 12:31.26 | badcloud | how? |
| 12:31.39 | badcloud | forgive the obvious ignorance |
| 12:31.45 | nkuttler | badcloud: and /var/log/auth.log on the sshd |
| 12:31.59 | careta | i'm looking at the checkfs.sh init.d script but i don't understand well shell script |
| 12:32.02 | CodeBlock | abrotman: well what do you suggest? :S |
| 12:32.07 | nkuttler | badcloud: that probably depends on how you configured your networ |
| 12:32.48 | abrotman | CodeBlock: you'll either have to risk the downgrade, or upgrade the whole box to squeeze .. |
| 12:33.03 | nkuttler | badcloud: is assume you can ping the host? |
| 12:33.21 | CodeBlock | abrotman: what's "risk the downgrade" what's the worst that can happen? :S |
| 12:33.37 | badcloud | nkuttler, pinged and got response |
| 12:33.41 | abrotman | depends how many packages it wants to downgrade/remove |
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| 12:34.02 | badcloud | '/var/log/auth.log' doesn't exist |
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| 12:34.20 | CodeBlock | abrotman: no way to see what packages depend on the current version? |
| 12:34.23 | badcloud | neither does '/etc/'init.d/sshd' |
| 12:34.25 | CodeBlock | sighs. |
| 12:34.32 | badcloud | do have dropbear though |
| 12:34.35 | stew | CodeBlock: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 12:35.18 | stew | badcloud: if the openssh-server package is installed you should have /etc/init.d/ssh ; if you don't we can tell you how to restore it |
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| 12:35.39 | jelly | stew: he did say he had dropbear instead |
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| 12:35.57 | careta | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.02 | CodeBlock | mmm. |
| 12:36.12 | CodeBlock | abrotman: aptitude says: 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 2 downgraded, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 12:36.17 | CodeBlock | 0 to remove |
| 12:36.17 | CodeBlock | so |
| 12:36.22 | CodeBlock | tries that, i guess. |
| 12:36.23 | abrotman | which two are downgraded ? |
| 12:36.32 | CodeBlock | libc6 and -dev |
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| 12:36.38 | abrotman | seems reasonable |
| 12:36.48 | jelly | and rather lucky :-) |
| 12:37.09 | jelly | CodeBlock: locales package if present should also get downgraded (or removed) |
| 12:37.22 | badcloud | jelly, any ideas where I should be looking in terms of config files? |
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| 12:38.37 | CodeBlock | alright |
| 12:38.48 | CodeBlock | thanks so much abrotman, jelly, and stew |
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| 12:41.46 | harpal | how to format system with ntfs? I dont have mkfs.ntfs command, I have ntfs-3g installed |
| 12:41.56 | harpal | s/system/drive/ |
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| 12:42.17 | sylar | Hi |
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| 12:42.41 | sylar | I see no Trash in my Trash on gnome |
| 12:42.50 | sylar | anyone know what is going on? |
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| 12:43.16 | hikenboot | I encounterd a second debian bug...http://pastebin.ca/1480684...looking at this patch source does it mean its already been applied to an unstable deb package that I can chroot and install? |
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| 12:43.47 | macsim | hi, proftpd shut down every 1st of months I take a look in /etc/cron.monthly/proftpd and get this : http://paste.mootools.net/f7bb6f528 anything wrong in it ? how can I fix that ? thanks |
| 12:44.14 | careta | i think there is a bug in /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh script |
| 12:44.31 | jelly | badcloud: /etc/dropbear* ? |
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| 12:44.48 | jelly | badcloud: dpkg -L packagename shows you the contents of an installed package |
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| 12:46.46 | badserii | Hi! I installed Debian Lenny. I have a problem with Iceweasel, it seems that it runs in a "safe mode", flash is not displaying until you press a play like button. Is it possible to disable this feature? Thank you! |
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| 12:47.32 | rudi_s | Hi. Is there a way to tell quilt not to create files 0000 (no access)? This causes some problems with my backups. |
| 12:47.40 | fireba11 | badserii: that looks like the flashblock plugin .. just disable it |
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| 12:48.08 | badserii | fireba11: I did not install any fiferox extension, so I can't disable. |
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| 12:48.37 | badcloud | ok |
| 12:48.39 | badserii | fireba11: flashblock displays a small play-like button, but this one displays a huge one. |
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| 12:49.24 | fireba11 | badserii: thought it might come with it pre-installed |
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| 12:49.56 | badserii | I purged iceweasel, installed firefox, and surprise - teh same round button! |
| 12:50.06 | arafangion2 | Hey, how do I enter the unicode symbol 0x00a1? |
| 12:50.18 | badserii | the idea is that some sites don't work mainly because of it. |
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| 12:50.19 | abrotman | badserii: are you using gnash or flash ? |
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| 12:50.39 | badserii | abrotman: I installed it as a desktop, it has flash installed. |
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| 12:50.43 | dbd1 | Hello |
| 12:50.59 | abrotman | badserii: are you sure? |
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| 12:51.40 | badserii | apt-cache policy gnash shows that I have no gnash installed |
| 12:52.19 | badserii | it plays well youtube movies, althought I have to press the huge button every time. |
| 12:52.29 | abrotman | badserii: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so ? |
| 12:52.42 | funcoland | I'm trying to format my 8.10 TB raid 5 using a GPT label with Gparted and I left it on overnight and it's still going.. or so that's what the screen says (The bar is moving left and right) |
| 12:52.52 | funcoland | should this format operation take longer than 10 hours? |
| 12:53.08 | abrotman | 8.10TB .. |
| 12:53.12 | petemc | ext3? |
| 12:54.04 | badserii | abrotman: /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so |
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| 12:54.11 | abrotman | right .. not flash |
| 12:54.18 | abrotman | or not adobe flash anyways |
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| 12:54.43 | badserii | abrotman: thank you for help. I think I will solve the problem now. |
| 12:54.53 | funcoland | Yes it's ext3 |
| 12:54.54 | abrotman | you will? don't you want to know how? |
| 12:55.19 | funcoland | petemc: yes ext3 |
| 12:55.30 | voodoor | I've installed debconf-utils but there is no 'debconf-get-selections' in it which is what I wanted? Lenny i386 - any ideas? |
| 12:55.51 | dbd1 | I have to ask some common question about Debian. It is are: 1: where to get list of all offical repositories addresses? 2: How to see all messages, been shown in console before XDM loads. 3: How to assemble compiled software to deb package for easy uninstalling later? 4: How to enable Java support in Iceweasel already? Or Konqueror? Both wont see java_plugin_oji.so file!!! |
| 12:55.59 | careta | ext3 can rob you of 10% of the disk space for inodes |
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| 12:56.35 | jelly | careta: if you tell fsck to. |
| 12:56.38 | jelly | mkfs* |
| 12:57.04 | careta | jelly, in default mode it does |
| 12:57.18 | funcoland | I just need this format to be done |
| 12:57.33 | careta | funcoland, you gotta wait there's not much you can do |
| 12:57.36 | funcoland | at this point i'm not sure if it's frozen or actually still trying to format at 10+ hours |
| 12:57.53 | abrotman | funcoland: i'd guess it's still going |
| 12:57.53 | funcoland | You think it's normal? over 10 hours? 8.10 IS a lot i know :-) |
| 12:57.58 | dbd1 | 5: How to better divide my disck usage between partitions of my Debian? Im about making partitions for /boot /home and other and what FS better for them |
| 12:58.04 | funcoland | okay, thanks |
| 12:58.12 | funcoland | I will try leaving it for today |
| 12:58.20 | abrotman | funcoland: i know for a few hundred GB it can take a few horus |
| 12:58.24 | careta | I would say wait 10 more and see what happens |
| 12:58.26 | abrotman | maybe an hour .. |
| 12:58.31 | jogla | Hello, recently I had a folder on a windows system that contained 16.000 files, and windows was unable to delete them. Ctrl+A -> Explorer crashed. That's Windows I told my colleague. ;) |
| 12:59.00 | jogla | Five minutes ago, i tried with Nautilus.. |
| 12:59.00 | chrisg | jesus christ |
| 12:59.00 | chrisg | 16,000 files in one folde |
| 12:59.00 | chrisg | r |
| 12:59.00 | jogla | Not even Bash will delete them. |
| 12:59.03 | chrisg | you want to delete _everything_ in teh file? |
| 12:59.03 | chrisg | er |
| 12:59.06 | chrisg | s/file/directory |
| 12:59.30 | stew | jogla: what problem did you have when deleting them with bash? |
| 12:59.31 | jogla | chrisg: No, its /tmp, so i don't wont to delete eveything |
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| 12:59.52 | asg | jogla: use find and it's exec function or find + xargs |
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| 13:00.29 | chrisg | find -exec might be best, i think you can still hit a limit if you pipe a list too big into xargs |
| 13:00.30 | jogla | stew: bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long. |
| 13:00.47 | jogla | the find solutions sounds good |
| 13:00.51 | voodoor | According to packages.deb.org, debconf-get-selections should be under /usr/bin but its not. Might this be because I installed debconf-utils via dpkg? |
| 13:00.53 | chrisg | jogla: find /path/to/directory -name '*somepatternthatmatcheswhatyouwant*' -exec rm '{}' ';' |
| 13:00.58 | stew | jogla: you can "echo * | xargs rm" or "find . -delete" or something similar |
| 13:01.25 | chrisg | get into the habit of using -exec rm imho, as -delete isn't something that's on find on all systems, like solaris and some of the *bsds for example |
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| 13:01.30 | stew | use instead of -exec rm {} \; use -delete or -exec rm {} + |
| 13:01.45 | jogla | stew: i think the '*' does not handle that many files |
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| 13:01.50 | stew | jogla: it does |
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| 13:01.55 | stew | jogla: it does with echo |
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| 13:02.07 | stew | jogla: it doesn't if you run a command, becuase it puts it over the command line limit |
| 13:02.11 | jogla | ahh, ok |
| 13:02.20 | stew | (echo isn't a command, its a shell builtin) |
| 13:02.28 | stew | (well it is a command, but not in this case) |
| 13:02.29 | jogla | http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/9662/screenshot4z.png |
| 13:02.34 | jogla | Thats by the way a screenshot showing the error |
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| 13:02.42 | stew | chrisg: in that case, I'd recommend getting out of the habit of using solaris |
| 13:03.39 | ranix | if you were trying to highlight the useless of his statement by making an even more useless statement, you did an excellent job stew |
| 13:03.48 | chrisg | and why would i do that if i work in a mixed operating environment :) |
| 13:04.11 | careta | jogla, try deleting them in batches, for example rm soap-attachment-5303* |
| 13:04.21 | careta | takes some work but gets the job done |
| 13:04.24 | jogla | careta: Yeah, thats what i did |
| 13:04.25 | careta | i've had that problem myself |
| 13:04.34 | chrisg | being able to port your scripts and your normal practice to other platforms is always a good idea, |
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| 13:05.12 | stew | not always |
| 13:05.39 | valan | how is it now always a good idea? |
| 13:05.43 | valan | *not |
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| 13:06.42 | stew | make script run slower so that it is able to be run on systems it will never ever run on |
| 13:07.09 | funcoland | hey that problem with deleting everything in the file |
| 13:07.13 | valan | eh |
| 13:07.19 | funcoland | it might be better to delete the directory that contains the files |
| 13:07.29 | funcoland | not like.. rm * in the dir |
| 13:07.31 | jogla | but then I lose other files too |
| 13:07.39 | stew | funcoland: its not better to rm -rf /tmp |
| 13:07.40 | ranix | why not find and -exec rm |
| 13:07.48 | ranix | or find | while read do rm |
| 13:07.48 | stew | why not find and -delete |
| 13:07.54 | ranix | find -delete is fine |
| 13:08.04 | jogla | likes find -delete too |
| 13:08.05 | ranix | there's like 30 ways to approach this problem |
| 13:08.13 | funcoland | could you do... like |
| 13:08.16 | ranix | hell you could ls | xargs rm if you really wanted to |
| 13:08.20 | funcoland | rm -rf /tmp; mkdir /tmp ? |
| 13:08.21 | ranix | I don't recommend it |
| 13:08.24 | jogla | What about perl -e '... |
| 13:08.25 | stew | funcoland: NO |
| 13:08.26 | jogla | ;) |
| 13:08.46 | funcoland | what would happen? |
| 13:08.57 | ranix | you would hose /tmp |
| 13:08.58 | stew | funcoland: he'd delete files he doesn't want to delete, and lost the sticky bit on /tmp |
| 13:09.05 | abrotman | funcoland: well, you just screwed up /tmp and the way it works |
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| 13:09.20 | funcoland | the sticky bit of tmp |
| 13:09.27 | funcoland | never heard of that.. i'll have to look into it |
| 13:09.30 | jogla | ranix: I don't think so, you'll need ls soap* | xargs rm, but that 'ls soap*' has the same problem as 'rm soap*' |
| 13:09.48 | stew | funcoland: "ls -ld /tmp" you'll notice it has odd permissions compared to others |
| 13:09.52 | stew | funcoland: (/msg dpkg permissions) |
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| 13:10.11 | ranix | jogla: nah you can ls | grep soap | xargs rm |
| 13:10.16 | ranix | but that's also a dumb thing to do |
| 13:10.32 | ranix | find -delete is best |
| 13:10.36 | jogla | agreed |
| 13:10.37 | stew | better to "echo soap* | xargs rm" |
| 13:10.39 | stew | or -delete |
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| 13:10.57 | funcoland | I see |
| 13:11.05 | funcoland | so it IS different |
| 13:11.08 | ranix | funcoland: give me back my video games |
| 13:11.09 | funcoland | thanks |
| 13:11.13 | ranix | you ripped me off in the '90s |
| 13:11.33 | ranix | but, thanks for selling Sewer Shark for 1 cent, those were cheap jewel cases |
| 13:11.54 | funcoland | no one wants your crappy TMNT for nes |
| 13:11.59 | funcoland | go ask gamestop |
| 13:12.02 | funcoland | :-) |
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| 13:16.39 | arafangion2 | How do I insert "special characters" into GTK2 applications? |
| 13:16.43 | enouf | !nuke crazy eddie |
| 13:16.43 | dpkg | fires a 20 megaton thermonuclear weapon at crazy eddie |
| 13:16.45 | arafangion2 | For example, a euro symbol. |
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| 13:17.39 | enouf | install the needed font pkgs and assign your META key accordingly |
| 13:18.06 | arafangion2 | enouf: How do I enter an arbituary unicode symbol? |
| 13:18.08 | enouf | and /msg dpkg locales |
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| 13:18.26 | arafangion2 | enouf: I've tried ctrl+shift+00a1, for example, but that doesn't work. |
| 13:18.35 | arafangion2 | (Which results in an exclaimation mark) |
| 13:18.41 | enouf | arafangion2: arbitrary? start spanking the keyboard like a babboon would |
| 13:18.41 | arafangion2 | Should result, in any case. |
| 13:19.03 | abrotman | arafangion2: or find the character map app in gnome if it's just a couple |
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| 13:19.10 | enouf | arafangion2: no, this ain't wintendo |
| 13:19.40 | arafangion2 | abrotman: I could just fire up vim, type it there, and then copy it over, however I distinctly remember a keyboard sequence that should work in X11. |
| 13:20.00 | abrotman | thought it was like ctrl-alt-numpadstuff |
| 13:20.08 | abrotman | maybe that was on windows |
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| 13:21.12 | arafangion2 | abrotman: Windows uses the numpad, with alt I think, however on windows you have to use decimal, which is a pain but quite survivable, unless you're on a laptop, but I don't care about windows, I want X11. |
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| 13:21.33 | arafangion2 | Although... It's possible that X11 also requires the numpad, but I just tested it and nope, doesn'tn work either. |
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| 13:22.03 | enouf | arafangion2: Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,compose:ralt" makes the ctrl switch with caplock AND more importantly sets the Compose Key to Right ALT |
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| 13:22.24 | enouf | arafangion2: in xorg.conf |
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| 13:22.59 | arafangion2 | enouf: I *do* have ctrl:swapcaps, maybe that's an important clue there in XkbOptions, thanks for that... |
| 13:24.24 | enouf | arafangion2: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html |
| 13:25.22 | arafangion2 | enouf: Thanks. :) |
| 13:25.33 | enouf | arafangion2: note, it's a bit aged .. so .. |
| 13:25.53 | arafangion2 | enouf: I gathered... But the XkbOptions looks particularly good. |
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| 13:27.02 | arafangion2 | enouf: The reason why I tend to like to be able to insert an arbituary unicode symbol based on the code is because I use several computers, some at work, and I find it easier to just google the name of the character I am interested in, find out the code point - and then add that to a list of characters I keep on a postit. |
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| 13:27.39 | ranix | I use Screen and hold alt and hit a key |
| 13:28.11 | arafangion2 | ranix: That's using alt as a modifier. |
| 13:28.18 | samantha-c | http://www.etree.org/debian/ I am trying to mirror this directory, but even with wget -m -np (noparent) turned on, it still winds up going UP the tree. what do i do to stop this? i want it to go down only. |
| 13:28.34 | arafangion2 | ranix: Doesn't neccessarily give consistent results, and doesn't work on, eg, windows. |
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| 13:28.58 | ranix | that's true |
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| 13:29.05 | guyzmo | samantha-c - iirc wget -l0 -np -x -m |
| 13:29.06 | ranix | in Windows I memorize the keycode |
| 13:29.10 | arafangion2 | ranix: Also much harder to figure out which alt-key combination gives, eg, an upside down exclamation. :) |
| 13:29.12 | ranix | 0252, 0232, etc |
| 13:29.21 | sylar | anyone in lenny with gnome? does deleted files show in Trash bin? |
| 13:29.27 | ranix | yeah, I just tried to find U with umlaut and failed |
| 13:29.34 | arafangion2 | ranix: That's exactly what I do, only those are not key codes, but unicode code points. |
| 13:29.52 | ranix | arafangion2: remember 0255 in Windows 98 |
| 13:29.55 | arafangion2 | ranix: Windows uses the decimal form, whereas most apps and linux tends to use hexacedimal. |
| 13:30.23 | enouf | arafangion2: i understand .. and even possibly concur ;0 |
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| 13:30.46 | ranix | it would be nice to have the same behaviour in linux |
| 13:30.48 | arafangion2 | ranix: 98 is before I got interested in unicode. :) |
| 13:31.29 | arafangion2 | ranix: In vim, it's ctrl+u<four-digit-hex-code>, which is nice,. |
| 13:31.32 | Gabriel | i would like to know if anyone is working on a bullet physics package, i didn't find in the official list, but .... :) |
| 13:31.55 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.41 | enouf | ask in #debian-x on oftc.net ,, or upstrean in the #xorg and #xorg-devel channels here |
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| 13:32.54 | arafangion2 | An excellent idea. |
| 13:33.00 | enouf | man -k == apropos basically |
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| 13:33.27 | arafangion2 | I might ask them another day - I should investigate my XkbOptions first, and get some sleep. |
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| 13:34.05 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose any smart GNOME/X people know of a workaround for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533424 |
| 13:34.15 | Erekose | I installed Debian Etch on my PC but when it boots I get an out of range message on the monitor |
| 13:34.23 | SerajewelKS | why GNOME requires RANDR is beyond me, but it's hella annoying |
| 13:34.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's how gnome changes the resolution ? |
| 13:34.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sure, but the settings daemon *requires* it? |
| 13:35.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: oddly .. screen resolution is a setting ? |
| 13:35.12 | SerajewelKS | how about "oh look, you don't have RANDR. let's disable that feature for you" |
| 13:35.40 | SerajewelKS | instead of "oh look, you don't have RANDR. let's not load any of your settings, break your desktop, and make it look like ass." |
| 13:35.41 | ranix | arafangion2: aaah awesome thanks for that |
| 13:35.50 | ranix | I didn't know about that in vim |
| 13:35.51 | SerajewelKS | GNOME-- |
| 13:37.29 | arafangion2 | ranix: The seriously awesome thing is that works regardless of OS. :) |
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| 13:39.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and guess what? if you disable the xrandr extension in gconf, it *still* refuses to start. |
| 13:39.11 | mns | Anyone know if there is a channel for PIX firewalls ? |
| 13:39.18 | SerajewelKS | there's some quality engineering right there |
| 13:40.21 | asg | mns: #cisco |
| 13:40.40 | mns | asg: thanks |
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| 13:42.07 | Erekose | I installed Debian Etch on my PC but when it boots I get an out of range message on the monitor |
| 13:42.46 | udaykumar | Erekose: Your monitor doesn't support that resolution |
| 13:43.02 | udaykumar | Erekose: Try to decrease your resolution or frequency |
| 13:43.14 | Erekose | so how do I get it to do that |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:43.48 | Erekose | I don`t even get to the desktop with it |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | so do it at the console |
| 13:44.12 | udaykumar | Erekose: press ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 13:44.18 | udaykumar | Erekose: Login as root |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | X fails to start .. he's probably already at the console |
| 13:44.32 | udaykumar | Erekose: Do as abrotman said |
| 13:45.23 | enouf | SerajewelKS: blame upstream newer gnome version devs |
| 13:45.39 | type64 | Would you guys agree that the best way to experience debian with recent packages is to use debian sid? I haven't had much problems with it. |
| 13:45.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: oh i blame nobody else |
| 13:46.03 | Erekose | ok thank you I`ll go try that |
| 13:46.09 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and while you're at it, tell them to stop wasting their time on bloated DE devel |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | enouf: don't you use kde? |
| 13:46.30 | enouf | SerajewelKS: put their work to good use - not some POFS DE, like KDE is |
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| 13:46.53 | enouf | abrotman: see last comment :-) |
| 13:46.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that makes about as much sense as telling people not to use mono. because you have SO much say over what people develop in their free time... |
| 13:47.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: people suck |
| 13:47.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: some people suck ass |
| 13:47.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: people write the stuff you use |
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| 13:47.33 | enouf | SerajewelKS: "i write the songs ..." |
| 13:47.41 | pbn | Hi again. Sorry but what is going on with pidgin 2.5.7 in testing ? |
| 13:47.44 | pbn | !version pidgin |
| 13:47.50 | pbn | !versions pidgin |
| 13:47.51 | arafangion2 | type64: I used to use Sid, but now I use stable, and haven't looked back. |
| 13:48.00 | SerajewelKS | pbn: define "what is going on" |
| 13:48.06 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and some of them try to sell their warez .. point is? |
| 13:48.20 | enouf | SerajewelKS: point is this.. Shit == Shit |
| 13:48.21 | abrotman | pbn: didn't we cover this yesterday ? |
| 13:48.38 | SerajewelKS | pbn: 2.5.7 was buggy. get 2.5.8 from sid. |
| 13:49.33 | pbn | well I need pidgin 2.5.7 really bad. Until yesterday the page here http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin said 2.5.7 was coming in X days, and yesterady it was in 0 days. Now the same page says 2.5.8 is coming in 2 days... but 2.5.7 isn't in testing yet.... |
| 13:49.43 | type64 | arafangion2: I just really like to have the most recent (I don't mind that it is a little late in the release) but to me, stable just felt 'oldish' |
| 13:49.53 | pbn | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pidgin <-- testing still has pidgin 2.5.6 |
| 13:49.58 | enouf | dpkg: give SerajewelKS a barry manilow nose |
| 13:49.58 | dpkg | gives SerajewelKS a barry manilow nose |
| 13:50.07 | enouf | hahaha |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | pbn: right .. the maintainer uploaded a new version |
| 13:50.38 | type64 | abrotman: you are cool :D |
| 13:50.44 | bzed | pbn: 2,5,8 fixes a security bug - http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pidgin/current/changelog |
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| 13:51.12 | abrotman | looks at type64 ... |
| 13:51.19 | pbn | bzed: indeed, better fix security bugs, thank you |
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| 13:51.39 | pbn | but hm... the security bug only affects ICQ and I don't use ICQ... can't I just install 2.5.7 ? |
| 13:51.58 | SerajewelKS | pbn: either install 2.5.8 from sid or go back to lenny |
| 13:52.01 | type64 | abrotman: Well you are. You're just so helpful. you helped me a while back. |
| 13:52.07 | type64 | is appreciative |
| 13:52.31 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 13:52.33 | ranix | pbn: currently the best way to handle pidgin is to install from source |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | type64: and you probably shouldn't be running sid |
| 13:52.53 | ranix | pbn: it's evangelizing too quickly for Debian to keep up with if you need the bleeding edge features |
| 13:53.06 | ranix | and it's an inherently security-sensitive application |
| 13:53.27 | abrotman | i wouldn't isntall pidgin from source |
| 13:53.30 | klarkc[xi] | hi! anyone can help-me? I am trying install fglrx driver in new kernel 2.6.30, and receving this msg: http://pastebin.com/mc6aca4a |
| 13:53.30 | ranix | my strongest suggestion is "use Pidgin from stable" |
| 13:53.38 | ranix | my second is "install it from source" |
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| 13:53.59 | ranix | certainly look twice at why you cannot use Lenny's pidgin |
| 13:54.00 | pbn | ranix: yes but does Pidgin from stable support the new yahoo-chat logon protocol ? |
| 13:54.01 | bjorkintosh | why won't apt-get install iceweasel get me the latest firefox? |
| 13:54.02 | type64 | abrotman: Why not? I like Debian, and like new packages, and have yet to hit any serious problems. |
| 13:54.06 | type64 | confused |
| 13:54.10 | ranix | I dunno |
| 13:54.13 | abrotman | type64: things break, sometimes badly |
| 13:54.15 | SerajewelKS | pbn: GET PIDGIN 2.5.8 FROM SID AND STFU |
| 13:54.20 | abrotman | bjorkintosh: because that's not the way it works |
| 13:54.24 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 13:54.24 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:54.25 | ranix | SerajewelKS: stop being a douche |
| 13:54.30 | pbn | because the reason I need pidgin 2.5.7 real bad is because previous versions cannot connect any longer |
| 13:54.45 | stew | SerajewelKS: that was both annoying and bad advice |
| 13:54.47 | klarkc[xi] | this source is downloaded from apt with patchs from debian |
| 13:54.51 | SerajewelKS | ranix: i'm not being a douche, he came in here asking about 2.5.7 and asks what is up with it. 2.5.7 is broken, and he will not listen to that. |
| 13:54.55 | stew | ranix: there is no need for name calling |
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| 13:55.03 | SerajewelKS | 2.5.8 was released immediately after 2.5.7 because of bugs |
| 13:55.13 | Qew | pbn: you were given solutions yesterday. |
| 13:55.14 | pbn | SerajewelKS: ok sorry to have upset you :) ... Yes I can install the version from sid by changinng sources.list |
| 13:55.23 | ranix | I didn't mean to perform name-calling, it was simply the most apt way I can describe that behaviour |
| 13:55.26 | stew | pbn: though that would be a bad idea |
| 13:55.32 | ranix | with a descriptive metaphor |
| 13:55.39 | SerajewelKS | pbn: you haven't upset me, it was the only way i could figure that you would actually pay attention |
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| 13:55.49 | stew | ranix: please avoid ad-hominems in general |
| 13:55.59 | bassliner | hi there. in ubuntu i get a "The program 'e16' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:" message when i try to start a program that is not already installed. is this easily possible in debian too? |
| 13:56.04 | pbn | SerajewelKS: yes, I understand it's bad to use 2.5.7 because of security bugs... and indeed 2.5.8 fixes them... but 2.5.8 won't be in testing until a few days... so I was thinking to *temporarly* use 2.5.7 in testing... |
| 13:56.15 | pbn | until 2.5.8 is there |
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| 13:56.17 | ranix | got it. Next time I will say "that was both annoying and bad advice" |
| 13:56.21 | Qew | pbn: either backport it via the deb-src route (/msg dpkg ssb) or do a mixed system with sid and testing. |
| 13:56.22 | SerajewelKS | stew: and, FWIW, i am running 2.5.8 from sid and it's working just fine over here |
| 13:56.23 | ranix | which equally summed up my feelings |
| 13:56.32 | abrotman | bassliner: i believe so |
| 13:56.47 | bjorkintosh | i don't use aptitude. |
| 13:56.52 | pbn | I know it's possible to install stuff from sid into testing but I'd rather not have a mixed testing/sid system just because I need the latest version pidgin |
| 13:56.53 | SerajewelKS | ranix: my intent was not to be a douche but to get pbn to stop beating around the bush |
| 13:56.53 | hochron | how do you see the packages installed again? |
| 13:57.01 | bjorkintosh | clunkiest POshit i've seen yet. |
| 13:57.02 | bassliner | abrotman: i heard about "bash hooks" and "command_not_found_handle" but couldn't find something that makes sense while googling... |
| 13:57.02 | pbn | hochron: dpkg -l | less |
| 13:57.03 | Qew | pbn: then backport it |
| 13:57.04 | abrotman | !tell hochron about installed |
| 13:57.05 | type64 | abrotman: section 3.1.5 Could you tell me whether to install testing or unstable? on http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html lead me to use unstable |
| 13:57.07 | ranix | !tell pbn -about backports |
| 13:57.17 | SerajewelKS | pbn: the only thing different between pidgin in lenny and sid is the versions of the packages |
| 13:57.18 | abrotman | type64: i'm telling you not to use unstable .. use squeeze |
| 13:57.20 | ranix | !tell pbn -about simple sid backport |
| 13:57.21 | hochron | thank you pbn |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | bjorkintosh: you don't have to use it interactively .. |
| 13:57.43 | Qew | pbn: if you backport it, you're compiling a debianised 2.5.8 source to fit with your testing. |
| 13:57.46 | SerajewelKS | pbn: they both depend on the same stuff, so if you install 2.5.8 from sid, when 2.5.8 moves to squeeze then you will be on squeeze again |
| 13:57.53 | SerajewelKS | Qew: that should not be necessary |
| 13:58.05 | SerajewelKS | 2.5.8 has no depends that are in sid only |
| 13:58.10 | ranix | pbn: you could also install from source temporarily until the application is updated in testing, or roll your own debian package |
| 13:58.10 | Qew | yeah, but he doesn't want to mix |
| 13:58.22 | Qew | SerajewelKS: I know, we dealt with this yesterday ;) |
| 13:58.25 | SerajewelKS | Qew: "mixing" will have exactly the same effect as backporting... |
| 13:58.32 | Qew | SerajewelKS: I know... |
| 13:58.35 | ranix | backporting is more correct |
| 13:58.44 | Qew | SerajewelKS: but he doesn't want to mix... I don't care either way ;) |
| 13:58.54 | SerajewelKS | ranix: perhaps semantically, but not pragmatically. they will do exactly the same thing. |
| 13:59.08 | pbn | SerajewelKS: ah that I didn't know. Yes, if indeed 2.5.8 from sid doesn't have dependencuies that are in sid and not in testing, then it's not going to be "messy" to mix sid and lenny for one package |
| 13:59.12 | SerajewelKS | ranix: because the binary packages produced by the backport will have identical depends, or at least compatible depends |
| 13:59.46 | abrotman | bassliner: that package is currently only in squeeze and sid |
| 14:00.06 | SerajewelKS | pbn: here's what you need to do: (1) (dpkg -l \*pidgin\* ; dpkg -l \*libpurple\*) | grep ^i (2) go to packages.debian.org and download the sid versions of all the packages it says you have (3) dpkg -i them |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | bassliner: though you could effectively use apt-file for roughly the same thing |
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| 14:00.26 | SerajewelKS | pbn: that will not require you to dick with your sources.list and should work just fine |
| 14:00.39 | bjorkintosh | how then, abrotman? |
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| 14:01.09 | abrotman | bjorkintosh: why do you need a newer iceweasel? |
| 14:01.15 | SerajewelKS | and my apologies to everyone if i'm coming off as a douche today. it's entirely possible. not in a good mood this morning for some reason. *goes to get more coffee* |
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| 14:01.30 | bjorkintosh | i'd like to upgrade, tyvm. |
| 14:01.37 | bjorkintosh | why does anyone need more than 64k of ram? |
| 14:01.41 | DetroitLibertyPe | gets more coffee himself |
| 14:01.43 | bjorkintosh | 'cause it's available and cheap! |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | because they keep upgrading firefox probably |
| 14:01.53 | arafangion2 | Let me guess... bjorkintosh needs facebook, and facebook needs the latest firefoxes to work the best. |
| 14:01.56 | SerajewelKS | bjorkintosh: it's free here! or rather, the brown water is free. |
| 14:02.03 | bjorkintosh | hahaha |
| 14:02.17 | bjorkintosh | arafangion2, no, this machine is an imac running debian |
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| 14:02.31 | bjorkintosh | and nothing fancy works on it. infact, firefox is a tad slow. on it. |
| 14:02.44 | bjorkintosh | i'd like to upgrade to see if it get a little bit faster. |
| 14:03.02 | arafangion2 | bjorkintosh: Why are you running debian on an imac? |
| 14:03.22 | arafangion2 | bjorkintosh: Specifically, why did you get an imac only to put debian on it, when you could've just used other, cheaper hardware? |
| 14:03.32 | bjorkintosh | what else should i run on an imac? |
| 14:03.36 | bjorkintosh | the machine was free |
| 14:03.43 | SerajewelKS | arafangion2: my bet is it was free or laying around |
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| 14:03.47 | jogla | Hey Björk |
| 14:03.51 | bjorkintosh | hi jogla |
| 14:04.00 | jogla | I love your new album ;) |
| 14:04.03 | bjorkintosh | it's a 440mhz machine. |
| 14:04.06 | SerajewelKS | arafangion2: and you should know better than to ask "why are you running debian on ___?" the answer is "because i can." |
| 14:04.06 | bjorkintosh | oh thanks :) |
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| 14:05.10 | arafangion2 | SerajewelKS: In my mind, "debian on imac" is "fink". :) |
| 14:05.17 | SerajewelKS | it's like asking why i run linux on my wii. not because it's useful. but so i can feel awesome. |
| 14:05.20 | pbn | okay :) |
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| 14:05.44 | enouf | bjorkintosh: my p2 chipset is a 440bx .. does that help? ;-P |
| 14:05.51 | bjorkintosh | nice! |
| 14:05.58 | SerajewelKS | arafangion2: meh, fink is more like "i can't believe it's not debian!" except you can because the UI is fugly. |
| 14:06.00 | bjorkintosh | does the latest firefox run on it? |
| 14:06.07 | abrotman | holy jeez |
| 14:06.15 | twobitsprite | what is the name of the partitioning tool that the debian installer uses? |
| 14:06.17 | enouf | bjorkintosh: 3.0 IW does, no porb |
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| 14:06.23 | arafangion2 | abrotman: My work here is done, G'night. :) |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | bjorkintosh: if you want to install firefox3.5, you'll have to get help from mozilla, it's not in Debian at all last i checked |
| 14:06.36 | enouf | twobitsprite: libparted/partman |
| 14:06.51 | twobitsprite | enouf: I can't find partman in the repos... |
| 14:07.05 | enouf | twobitsprite: it's a special udeb |
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| 14:07.10 | enouf | twobitsprite: you want parted |
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| 14:07.19 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: if you have X then you probably want gparted |
| 14:07.47 | pbn | well I think I'm gonna get from directory debian/pool/main/p/pidgin/ the following files: pidgin_2.5.8-1_amd64.deb pidgin-data_2.5.8-1_all.deb libpurple-bin_2.5.8-1_all.deb libpurple0_2.5.8-1_amd64.deb ... and install them in testing with dpkg -i .... that will work I guess ? |
| 14:07.52 | enouf | gparted could be a) GNU parted or b) Gnome Parted |
| 14:08.07 | SerajewelKS | pbn: yes, those are the same packages i use (almost) |
| 14:08.13 | Qew | pbn: yes, should do |
| 14:08.24 | SerajewelKS | pbn: i built my own packages because i want networkmanager support, but those will work just fine |
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| 14:08.39 | enouf | pbn: no luck with http://www.celticwolf.com/useful-information/faqs/26-pidgin-yahoo and yahoo!? |
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| 14:08.45 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm pretty sure (b) is correct |
| 14:08.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: "Description: GNOME partition editor" |
| 14:08.55 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it;s not |
| 14:09.03 | enouf | SerajewelKS: google it |
| 14:09.10 | enouf | and visit gnu.org |
| 14:09.30 | SerajewelKS | enouf: gparted.sf.net "GParted is the Gnome Partition Editor application." |
| 14:09.32 | zinx | enouf: GNU parted is just 'parted' |
| 14:09.57 | pbn | ok thanks :) |
| 14:09.57 | twobitsprite | btw... what is a udeb? |
| 14:10.02 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/features.shtml |
| 14:10.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that is parted, not gparted |
| 14:10.23 | enouf | twobitsprite: it's customized debs for the installer only |
| 14:10.35 | zinx | gparted just uses parted :/ |
| 14:10.36 | enouf | no, it's Gparted |
| 14:10.43 | zinx | supplying a friendly interface for it |
| 14:10.52 | zinx | enouf: GParted is the GNOME front-end to parted |
| 14:10.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: funny, it's "parted" in debian |
| 14:11.10 | SerajewelKS | !info gparted |
| 14:11.12 | enouf | bah |
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| 14:11.26 | enouf | !nuke gparted |
| 14:11.26 | dpkg | fires a 60 zettaton thermonuclear weapon at enouf |
| 14:11.38 | dpkg | gparted: (GNOME partition editor), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.5-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1185 kB, Installed size: 3696 kB |
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| 14:11.43 | SerajewelKS | wins |
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| 14:11.58 | enouf | dpkg: can i get some Chernobyl wings with that? |
| 14:11.59 | dpkg | wish i knew, enouf |
| 14:12.06 | zinx | !tell twobitsprite about udeb |
| 14:12.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and ddrescue is? |
| 14:12.25 | enouf | yes; gddrescue |
| 14:12.31 | SerajewelKS | parted = GNU parted (CLI) gparted = GNOME frontend qtparted = QT frontend |
| 14:12.42 | enouf | judd info gddrescue |
| 14:12.42 | judd | enouf: gddrescue (utils): is optional; Version: 1.2-1.3; Size: 32.1k; Installed: 88k -- the GNU data recovery tool |
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| 14:13.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: just because you are right about ddresuce doesn't make you right about parted :) |
| 14:13.21 | enouf | some Gnome asshats need to ease up on the G .. as do KDE bozos and the K |
| 14:13.24 | SerajewelKS | ddrescue too |
| 14:13.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no disagreement from me there |
| 14:13.45 | twobitsprite | so, there is no way to get partman and use that... I tend to like the interface for partman better than parted or cfdisk |
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| 14:13.50 | mazoni | hello guys, iam trying for the first time to generate my custom debian installer cd |
| 14:13.56 | enouf | kjournald == kde? can i kill it? hahahaha |
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| 14:14.07 | mazoni | but simple-cdd is a little bit complicated |
| 14:14.09 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i started a new project called gazebo for gnome and realized like two weeks later "shit that starts with a g" |
| 14:14.18 | enouf | twobitsprite: why? use parted |
| 14:14.34 | zinx | enouf: nah i like it. i know if i see any app starting with 'k' or 'q', i can avoid it completely |
| 14:14.35 | mazoni | could anyone send me an example with custom packages |
| 14:14.42 | enouf | twobitsprite: you want an ncurses interface? |
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| 14:15.02 | enouf | zinx: even the kernel? :-P |
| 14:15.05 | twobitsprite | yeah |
| 14:15.11 | zinx | enouf: that starts with 'l' |
| 14:15.13 | MrWax | should I have X installed in order to use Samba? |
| 14:15.23 | SerajewelKS | MrWax: it's not required |
| 14:15.23 | abrotman | use it how? |
| 14:15.49 | SerajewelKS | MrWax: no part of samba depends on X, only a few frontends (like nautilus) do |
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| 14:16.33 | enouf | SerajewelKS: heh ... if it's worthwhile (and not bloated), i'll support you/it -- no matter what it's called |
| 14:16.37 | MrWax | Is it hard to install samba just with commandline? |
| 14:16.57 | Thunderbird | does anyone know how 'ia32-apt-get' works on sid? apparently apt-get is a script now but I have no idea how to let it install a 32-bit library |
| 14:16.57 | abrotman | aptitude install samba ? |
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| 14:17.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you'd probably call it bloated simply because it's not written in C and supports addins |
| 14:17.33 | twobitsprite | enouf: is there an ncurses interface for parted? I see this "python-parted" package, but I don't see an executable by that name |
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| 14:17.49 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: python-parted is python bindings to libparted |
| 14:17.56 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well ... addins == cruft and bloat and java? :-P |
| 14:18.10 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: i don't see any ncurses interfaces either |
| 14:18.20 | SerajewelKS | enouf: s/java/mono/ but basically yeah |
| 14:18.32 | Lirion | MrWax installing is easy as said, configuring is just man samba.conf and the configuration file. and maybe smbpasswd and stuff. i.e. read doc a bit. if that's too much for you, you may need an X frontend. but it's not too hard at all |
| 14:18.36 | enouf | twobitsprite: the udebs are custom b/c size of ELF is of utmost importance for an Installer |
| 14:18.54 | enouf | basically |
| 14:19.24 | enouf | twobitsprite: you can fire up the debian installer and use partman ;-) |
| 14:19.26 | zinx | lack of documentation and such probably makes more impact :P |
| 14:19.29 | SerajewelKS | enouf: but i'll take a slightly larger memory footprint for the ability to spend more time coding fun stuff and less time tracking down leaks and sigsegv |
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| 14:20.05 | MrWax | Lirion: ok |
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| 14:20.12 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that's thinking like a Frameworks promoter -- thanks, but no thanks ;-) |
| 14:20.27 | pbn | enouf: tried that, but it only worked until last friday |
| 14:20.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you don't have to use it. i'm writing it primarily for me. |
| 14:21.06 | enouf | SerajewelKS: when kde won't even fire up with 100M FREE + 300M+ free in +/-buffers/cache ? wtf? |
| 14:21.08 | valdyn | Thunderbird: you just run "apt-get install ia32-somepackage" |
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| 14:21.24 | Thunderbird | ia32-libs isn't around anymore |
| 14:21.25 | enouf | SerajewelKS: congrats to your vaporware :-P |
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| 14:21.29 | Thunderbird | well it is a dummy package |
| 14:21.30 | valdyn | Thunderbird: that works for any package, but doesnt really make sense for most packages |
| 14:21.37 | enouf | SerajewelKS: just kidding |
| 14:21.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: heh |
| 14:21.53 | valdyn | Thunderbird: obviously you dont need ia32-libs |
| 14:22.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well at least it doesn't depend on any DE |
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| 14:22.07 | Thunderbird | e..g apt-get install ia32-libxrender1 doesn't work |
| 14:22.15 | valdyn | Thunderbird: it works fine |
| 14:22.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you should be able to run it under twm if you really want |
| 14:22.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i appreciate all devs, and you know that - it's just - i'm the Boss, and don't you forget it! :-) |
| 14:22.45 | Thunderbird | it doesn't work on this system, that's why I was wondering how it is supposed to work |
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| 14:22.52 | enouf | SerajewelKS: "at least it doesn't depend on any DE" <== mucho score! |
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| 14:23.00 | hugo | too many guys around me is trying to force me throw away debian for centos |
| 14:23.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: of your own machines, absolutely. and i'm not going to tell you what to run on them. i'm also not going out of my way to make you happy with my software. :) |
| 14:23.03 | valdyn | Thunderbird: i cant tell what you broke or if you even have ia32-apt-get installed |
| 14:23.11 | Thunderbird | it is installed |
| 14:23.16 | Ambush | Thunderbird: whats in your sources.list? |
| 14:23.27 | valdyn | Ambush: his sources.list is irrelevant |
| 14:23.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: any DE intergation will be purely optional. it's going to use notification-daemon for some stuff, if it's there, and if not then nope. |
| 14:23.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: understood ... let's move on ... this isn't Debian related anymore ;-) |
| 14:23.36 | valdyn | Thunderbird: "apt-get update" |
| 14:23.38 | mazoni | hello, anyone knows how to use simplecdd? |
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| 14:23.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: was it ever debian related? :) |
| 14:23.47 | hugo | how could i say to them to stop it? |
| 14:23.48 | Thunderbird | the standard debian servers are in there |
| 14:23.51 | Thunderbird | for unstable |
| 14:23.55 | Qew | hugo: stand up for yourself |
| 14:24.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: the G and K were |
| 14:24.15 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and bloat is always related :-P |
| 14:24.23 | Thunderbird | let me retry an apt-get update |
| 14:24.30 | hugo | Qew: i said try aptitude and you'll see but they are so stubborn |
| 14:24.51 | enouf | twobitsprite: parted is simple to use .. |
| 14:25.03 | Qew | hugo: then let them wallow in ignorance. You've made the right choice, just be content that you do things your way. |
| 14:25.16 | hugo | Qew: What would you say if you were asked "why not centos?" |
| 14:25.16 | enouf | twobitsprite: parted /dev/sda ; u ; b ; p ; quit (once done) |
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| 14:25.41 | Qew | hugo: I'd not be bothered |
| 14:25.49 | enouf | twobitsprite: no harm in those commands, just printing out the partition table in Bytes |
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| 14:26.40 | Thunderbird | yeah apt-get update seems to help (though I did it oh well); now got a fun message back: |
| 14:26.42 | Thunderbird | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. |
| 14:26.42 | enouf | twobitsprite: type 'h' for help |
| 14:26.52 | hugo | Qew: this is kind of democracy things here. most people seems liking centos over debian. and they are trying to select it as our company's distro |
| 14:27.26 | valdyn | hugo: whats wrong with centos anyway? |
| 14:27.39 | enouf | rpms |
| 14:27.41 | enouf | :-P |
| 14:27.42 | hugo | valdyn: yum |
| 14:27.48 | valdyn | rpms arent bad |
| 14:27.51 | valdyn | i dont know yum |
| 14:27.57 | enouf | they ain't no debs |
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| 14:28.30 | hugo | probably they like newer software in centos |
| 14:28.42 | enouf | and older kernels? |
| 14:28.44 | valdyn | hugo: i dont think centos has newer software |
| 14:28.58 | valdyn | hugo: rhel does a similar release policy as debian in that aspect |
| 14:29.10 | enouf | older + more heavily patched |
| 14:29.12 | hikenboot | can anyone tell me if I do not raid /boot partition if grub will be used instead of lilo in debian testing? |
| 14:29.35 | enouf | hikenboot: whichever you want |
| 14:29.41 | valdyn | hikenboot: using raid does not trigger lilo |
| 14:29.42 | hugo | centos is redhat stable |
| 14:30.00 | enouf | hikenboot: valdyn depends on raid level ? |
| 14:30.05 | valdyn | hugo: centos is rhel is a distro with "old" software, just like debian/stable |
| 14:30.17 | valdyn | enouf: no, you dont have a choice in raid levels |
| 14:30.23 | valdyn | enouf: boot can only be on raid1. |
| 14:30.24 | OpenTokix | Key word beeing "stable" and not "lets fuck my life up and get fired" |
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| 14:30.30 | enouf | hikenboot: LVM (/boot on it) triggers no grub |
| 14:30.54 | hikenboot | I have encountered a bug http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38332 trying to find a work around |
| 14:31.01 | ranix | valdyn: haha I remember when I tried to raid5 /boot |
| 14:31.04 | enouf | valdyn: then it is Raid level pertinent |
| 14:31.04 | ranix | oops |
| 14:31.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i used to be strongly anti-bloat. now i'm starting to realize that bloat is not inherently bad, only when it's useless bloat. (which sounds redundant, but it's not.) |
| 14:31.34 | valdyn | hikenboot: /boot on lvm triggers the install of lilo |
| 14:31.39 | enouf | hikenboot: but .. grub2 can handle /boot on LVM |
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| 14:32.03 | hikenboot | would using the grub fix the problem in that bug I cant seem to find the bug for grup |
| 14:32.07 | hikenboot | oops grub |
| 14:32.12 | valdyn | bloat is a stupid word |
| 14:32.22 | valdyn | software just has to run fine, thats all |
| 14:32.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: too many useLESS *features* == bloat |
| 14:32.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right, but "useless" is largely subjective. my flexible addin model is your bloat. |
| 14:33.10 | ranix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat |
| 14:33.17 | ranix | an interestingly neutral article on bloat |
| 14:33.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: everything has addins, i dont get your point |
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| 14:33.26 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 14:33.27 | ranix | IMO, bloat is *always* bad |
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| 14:33.38 | valdyn | ranix: thats why its a stupid word |
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| 14:33.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: not to mention nomenclature issues with naming ALL THOSE FEATURES and describing exactly what they do, and more importantly; if you alter a, how b c d might be affected |
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| 14:34.08 | valdyn | ranix: because *I* only need my server to run, im not going to invest man months to save 40$ for a little ram |
| 14:34.15 | Nebukadneza | i've got a problem with the jde package - it seems like those .elc fils are compiled in a endless-loop (i saw the same file scrolling by a few times, so i aborted) ... any ideas where to start looking for whats the problem is? |
| 14:34.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: my point is that one person might like feature X and another might call it bloat and unnecessary |
| 14:34.59 | Thunderbird | valdyn, should the ia32 packages show up in apt-cache search? |
| 14:35.10 | valdyn | Thunderbird: i have not tried that |
| 14:35.15 | Thunderbird | (I only see the few standard ones there; my repository should have 32-bit now) |
| 14:35.17 | Thunderbird | ok |
| 14:35.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i admire the FF/IW model to a degree ,.., due to addons/plugins/extension/whatever -- so someone like ajavid can BLOAT it up so bad that my p2 is faster than his QuadCore :-P |
| 14:35.37 | valdyn | Thunderbird: and its useless as *every* package has its ia32 "version" |
| 14:36.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: indeed, that's the idea behind gazebo. it's a FICS interface with an addin model. |
| 14:36.21 | ranix | valdyn: 'bloat' refers to a fundamental breakdown of good software engineering |
| 14:36.23 | SerajewelKS | enouf: so people who don't want a fancy seek graph can not only turn it off but throw it out of memory. |
| 14:36.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ever open kwrite and ask yourself WTF IS ALL THIS SHIT!? |
| 14:36.43 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i do the same when i tinker with gedit usually |
| 14:36.44 | valdyn | ranix: or bloat is something else for everyone |
| 14:36.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: how about even konqout? |
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| 14:37.02 | ranix | valdyn: when you discard resource conservation for other benefits, or you are ignorant of resource conservation, horrible things happen |
| 14:37.28 | valdyn | ranix: geez |
| 14:37.30 | careta | can someone tell me a program to pretty print C code? |
| 14:37.34 | ranix | valdyn: IMO bloat is frequently a symptom of more serious problems |
| 14:37.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS: one cannot even DISABLE arts, NOR the stupid Spellchecker shit in 3.x.x |
| 14:37.43 | careta | i mean, to format C code for printing |
| 14:37.43 | abrotman | careta: shouldn't your code already be pretty? |
| 14:37.43 | Nebukadneza | noone a idea? :/ |
| 14:37.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: BLOAT! ;-) |
| 14:37.51 | Thunderbird | it seems to work now |
| 14:37.59 | careta | abrotman, not my code! |
| 14:37.59 | hikenboot | valdyn, enouf you both seem to be familiar with these sort of issues ....any advice would be appreciated I am stuck at this point! |
| 14:38.13 | zinx | careta: if you want something to indent it properly, try GNU indent or such |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | careta: you mean to color code them, or just format/indent the code? |
| 14:38.25 | zinx | careta: otherwise.. you're going to have to describe the problem better ;) |
| 14:38.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i have to know so prior - so that i might compile it myself - ergo; i might as well use gentoo or slack or something |
| 14:39.00 | hikenboot | can i avoid this problem by not puting /boot on lvm and raid? |
| 14:39.13 | hikenboot | bbs |
| 14:39.19 | valdyn | hikenboot: do not put /boot on lvm |
| 14:39.30 | enouf | hikenboot: yes |
| 14:39.32 | valdyn | hikenboot: you can put it on raid1 though |
| 14:39.43 | enouf | hikenboot: if your problem is what i think it is |
| 14:39.46 | hikenboot | thanks guys |
| 14:39.59 | ranix | mount: mounting /dev/root on /root failed: No such device |
| 14:40.04 | ranix | lol wut? |
| 14:40.12 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:40.16 | ranix | that's wrong on so many levels |
| 14:40.18 | careta | i want something just to format the code for easy printing, maybe a page divided in two, with syntax coloring and preferably in pdf so i can print in a dumb system like windows |
| 14:40.18 | hugo | valdyn: just that relationship with redhat is the one that people want to use centos |
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| 14:40.39 | hugo | kinda brand |
| 14:40.43 | valdyn | hugo: i dont get your problem |
| 14:40.44 | enouf | ranix: you are my stompthebloatedbozo friend ;-) |
| 14:40.50 | valdyn | hugo: because i dont see whats wrong with centos |
| 14:41.02 | ranix | flexes his bulging muscles. |
| 14:41.10 | valdyn | hugo: im not into advocacy for no reason |
| 14:41.21 | enouf | whips out his big mac |
| 14:41.50 | hugo | valdyn: strict package management system |
| 14:42.04 | hugo | valdyn: aptitude |
| 14:42.06 | enouf | feverishly searches for a reference for mac to some military weaponry :-P |
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| 14:42.15 | ranix | centos is off topic for #debian |
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| 14:42.28 | hugo | valdyn: it's "free" |
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| 14:42.37 | valdyn | hugo: im sure your technical peers need technical reasons to be convinced |
| 14:42.44 | valdyn | hugo: not some buzzword like "aptitude" |
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| 14:43.00 | enouf | whips out his atomic annie <-- there! :-P |
| 14:43.14 | ranix | hugo: one should use the distribution they're most comfortable with managing among equal options |
| 14:43.20 | ranix | hugo: there's nothing wrong with centos |
| 14:43.34 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i already build my own .debs for a few packages to enable/disable shit |
| 14:43.40 | ranix | hugo: if you prefer Debian and you're managing it, argue it that way. If you're not managing it, let the ones managing it decide |
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| 14:43.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: at least the programs with an addin model, debian usually packages the addins separately so i can pick and choose with aptitude |
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| 14:44.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 14:44.54 | spvensko | anyone here know how to disable touch pad scrolling in debian 5.0 running the stock gnome WITHOUT modifying the xorg.conf (since it's deprecated anyways) |
| 14:45.06 | enouf | hah! |
| 14:45.19 | enouf | it is? since when spvensko ? |
| 14:45.32 | spvensko | my xorg.conf is empty, and i've been told by several that there's a transition going on |
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| 14:45.47 | valdyn | spvensko: its empty because its useless |
| 14:45.49 | enouf | doesn't mean "deprecated" though |
| 14:45.53 | SerajewelKS | spvensko: aptitude install gsynaptics |
| 14:45.59 | valdyn | spvensko: that doesnt mean deprecated |
| 14:46.02 | simonrvn | transition != deprecated |
| 14:46.08 | jelly | spvensko: the transition is going on in the next debian release |
| 14:46.15 | hugo | ranix: i'm managing it |
| 14:46.19 | cahoot | spvensko: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide possibly |
| 14:46.34 | zeev | is it possible to make Apache to interpret user@domain.com as domain.com/user ? |
| 14:46.38 | ranix | hugo: then pick the one you're most comfortable with |
| 14:46.44 | jelly | cahoot: not for lenny |
| 14:46.59 | SerajewelKS | zeev: you mean using "user" as HTTP authentication? |
| 14:47.00 | valdyn | zeev: your webbrowser would not accept that |
| 14:47.07 | enouf | spvensko: anything in a valid xorg.conf will supercede whatever automagic the Xserver thinks it was to implement |
| 14:47.16 | spvensko | i see |
| 14:47.32 | jelly | spvensko: in other words, you may safely mess with xorg.conf for the time being |
| 14:47.39 | zeev | valdyn: url rewriting wouldn't help? |
| 14:47.55 | valdyn | zeev: its not an URL |
| 14:48.09 | hugo | ranix: that's democracy |
| 14:48.11 | valdyn | zeev: its a syntax to log in as user |
| 14:48.19 | enouf | spvensko: X -configure will generate a bare/minimal file ... man xorg.conf |
| 14:48.20 | SerajewelKS | zeev: "user@domain.com" means "http://domain.com" with "user" as the username for HTTP authentication |
| 14:48.45 | valdyn | zeev: you can redirect specific users to their respective directory thogh, i guess |
| 14:48.47 | SerajewelKS | zeev: which you can make behave like http://domain.com/user using url rewriting |
| 14:48.56 | SerajewelKS | zeev: but there are caveats |
| 14:49.14 | zeev | yeah url rewriting thats what I mean |
| 14:49.21 | valdyn | zeev: however users will be prompted for a password |
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| 14:49.48 | zeev | the idea is to have one email address and use the same string for blogging for that user |
| 14:50.08 | hugo | debian has larger set of packages |
| 14:50.09 | zeev | is it possible to make somehow? |
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| 14:50.19 | brah | making a next gen social site? |
| 14:50.27 | brah | web 3.0 hell yeah |
| 14:50.30 | SerajewelKS | zeev: it's possible, to a degree |
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| 14:50.58 | zeev | what is the limit? |
| 14:50.58 | SerajewelKS | zeev: you are better off telling them to use domain.com/user though |
| 14:51.16 | valdyn | or you *could* use user.domain.com |
| 14:51.20 | SerajewelKS | zeev: (1) they will be prompted for a password by their browser, and (2) it will prevent people from going to "domain.com" later |
| 14:51.23 | careta | so abrotman any ideas? i want something just to format the code for easy printing, maybe a page divided in two, with syntax coloring and preferably in pdf so i can print in a dumb system like windows |
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| 14:51.39 | SerajewelKS | zeev: since the browser will still send the username, and the server will rewrite the URL to domain.com/user |
| 14:52.01 | SerajewelKS | zeev: if you are not using @ for the sake of HTTP authentication, you are better off not using it at all |
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| 14:54.57 | enouf | wow .. who'd've thought the !hal could be used to answer all these drxx users :-P |
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| 14:56.08 | anodyne | !hal |
| 14:56.09 | dpkg | HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is freedesktop.org project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 14:56.15 | abrotman | careta: sorry .. missed your response |
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| 14:56.18 | enouf | anodyne: see last URL ;-) |
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| 14:56.49 | abrotman | careta: if you want to indent it, there's a program for that already .. if you want two pages per page .. there's another program .. and i'm sure there's a way to color it |
| 14:57.20 | fireba11 | abrotman: css? *g* |
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| 14:57.27 | careta | abrotman, i remember a teacher of mine handing me out code printed like that, with line numbers and everything. it was a gnu program i think |
| 14:57.29 | abrotman | judd: info highlight |
| 14:57.31 | judd | abrotman: highlight (devel): is optional; Version: 2.4.8-1.1; Size: 379.3k; Installed: 1588k -- An universal source code to formatted text converter |
| 14:57.33 | abrotman | WHAM! |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | careta: he probably did it with enscript perhaps ? |
| 14:58.00 | careta | i'll look into it. thanks! |
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| 15:07.42 | iluminator101 | How do you install debian squeeze with ext4 files system, b/z its not listed as an option in graphical squeeze installation menu. |
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| 15:07.51 | abrotman | b/z ? |
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| 15:09.50 | otherdsl_ | hello? |
| 15:09.59 | din_os | hello, I need some help with wireless... I don't understand what is the connection between network manager applet and the interfaces file |
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| 15:10.08 | iluminator101 | How do you install debian squeeze with ext4 files system, b/z its not listed as an option in graphical squeeze installation menu. |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | b/z ? |
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| 15:10.42 | stew | iluminator101: it was listed when I last tried the squeeze installer |
| 15:10.50 | iluminator101 | b/z = because |
| 15:10.50 | stew | iluminator101: well, if you do manual partitioning |
| 15:10.57 | abrotman | isn't squeeze still using the .26 ? so it would be ext4_dev ? |
| 15:11.09 | din_os | in previous versions network manager seemed to edit the interfaces file accordingly, now it just connects to any network without any changes to the interfaces file |
| 15:11.15 | iluminator101 | do expert install? |
| 15:11.23 | din_os | is the interfaces file deprecated on lenny or something? |
| 15:11.34 | abrotman | no |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | din_os: i don't use n-m, i use the interfaces file |
| 15:12.16 | din_os | abrotman: me too, but it seems to interconnect in some way |
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| 15:12.38 | din_os | do I need to uninstall n-m in order to use wireless properly? |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | n-m should work with wireless |
| 15:12.50 | iluminator101 | stew: what install did you do install or graphical install |
| 15:13.26 | din_os | abrotman: I disable n-m from sessions in order to use interfaces file |
| 15:13.39 | stew | iluminator101: during the manual partitioning, when you select a partition you are creating, there should be a "Format as:" which would default to ext3, but you can change to ext4 |
| 15:13.45 | din_os | I can connect to a home network without problems (wep - static) |
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| 15:14.35 | din_os | but when I try to connect to another network with dhcp, I get the error: iface - too many parameters in command |
| 15:15.02 | din_os | but I just type: iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:15.17 | din_os | changing static to dhcp ruins it |
| 15:15.42 | FairFight | Someone who wants to guide me throw installing pure-ftpd ? Please, i've tried 100 times now, but cant get the server to run correctly |
| 15:15.46 | iluminator101 | stew:ah i see....so ext4 is listed under ext3 |
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| 15:16.06 | din_os | I am now connected to the problematic network using network manager |
| 15:16.10 | stew | iluminator101: i don't know about "under" perhaps "alongside" |
| 15:16.20 | din_os | but I want to connect using interfaces file |
| 15:16.33 | din_os | where does network manager store the settings so I can view them? |
| 15:16.57 | iluminator101 | does ntfs-3g work with ext4 like it did on ext3 |
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| 15:18.28 | iluminator101 | Thanks for you Help Guys |
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| 15:18.53 | amimusa | hi, i am trying to use rewrite rules on a .htacces but i get internal error, i think i don't have mod_rewrite installed, googlin with no success, i need some help. thanks in advance |
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| 15:20.51 | miickee | Does anyone have any experience with acidrip dvd encoding? The files play great on the computer, then put it to the xbox and they play out of time, I was told it has somethign to do with the timestamps of the files. How do I fix these timestamps? |
| 15:21.44 | smokes | anyone want to help fix a wierd apt-get problem?.I can't figure it out |
| 15:22.29 | smokes | basically, apt-get update returns the same data, even after I change the sources.list |
| 15:22.31 | cahoot | amimusa: tried a2enmod rewrite? |
| 15:23.10 | nkuttler | smokes: define same data |
| 15:23.32 | smokes | the original sources.list, even after I've changed the sources.list |
| 15:23.47 | din_os | abrotman: do you use wireless-essid and wireless-key commands to connect to wep? |
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| 15:24.09 | din_os | or are they deprecated? |
| 15:24.13 | elRuc | smokes, are you sure you really modified /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:24.35 | elRuc | smokes, you need to be root to modify /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:24.37 | nkuttler | smokes: apt-get doesn't 'return' your sources.list |
| 15:24.40 | smokes | certain, with scite. deleted the whole thing.. |
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| 15:25.15 | smokes | sudo su ect all...yeah had to to modify the sources.list |
| 15:25.20 | amimusa | cahoot, that's great, i tried a2enmod mod_rewrite :/ |
| 15:25.24 | amimusa | thank you so much |
| 15:25.28 | elRuc | smokes, perhaps something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? |
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| 15:27.09 | smokes | hold on a second if you would... |
| 15:27.54 | ajavid | does anyone know where I can find linux-kbuild-2.6.29 |
| 15:28.32 | ajavid | it was in sid a couple of days ago, its now gone and replaced with .30 |
| 15:28.39 | din_os | ajavid: is that the kernel? I got it from the backports repository |
| 15:28.42 | ajavid | however, I require .29, and I can't find it on anywhere |
| 15:29.04 | ajavid | din_os, no its not in bpo. In fact, even .30 doesn't have its kbuild for headers for .30 |
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| 15:29.16 | smokes | all i have in /apt/ is apt.conf, sources.list and /apt.conf.d/ (dir) |
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| 15:29.38 | ajavid | (in bpo i mean) |
| 15:29.47 | Pudgy | Hi all, how would I go about creating a Virtual machine (Virtbox, Vmware etc) on a ppc debian distro? Both doesn't seem to have ppc editions. Any thoughts? |
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| 15:30.19 | ajavid | Pudgy, maybe the guys in #debianppc irc.debian.org know |
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| 15:30.39 | din_os | ajavid: I am not sure if kbuild is some other thing but I upgraded my kernel to .29 using bpo last week to have my wifi work |
| 15:30.48 | smokes | and /apt.conf.d/ contains the (now empty file) 70debconf |
| 15:30.51 | ajavid | din_os, how about you try to build some kernel modules |
| 15:31.08 | Pudgy | ajavid: Ah, thanks will ask overthere. |
| 15:31.08 | ajavid | din_os, try this, and fail. Install headers for your .29 |
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| 15:31.35 | ajavid | din_os, it will fail for lack of linux-kbuild-2.6.29, so can't install headers, can't get the kbuild for the headers (of .29) |
| 15:31.43 | ajavid | din_os, kinda fucked here... |
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| 15:33.42 | ajavid | fuck it, I wonder if .30+xen can do windows xp |
| 15:34.06 | din_os | ajavid: ok so you want some 'buildable' version while only the runtime version is up there.. gotcha. Too advanced for me then |
| 15:34.15 | smokes | the apt-get update function has to be accessing something to keep reading the same package lists... |
| 15:34.18 | ajavid | haven't tried xen yet and I'm kinda irritated |
| 15:34.40 | ajavid | smokes, it doesn't read the same package lists it gets the lists from the sources.list urls |
| 15:34.45 | ajavid | smokes, what is your problem/question |
| 15:35.16 | smokes | apt-get update doesn't notice when I change the sources.list |
| 15:35.34 | smokes | what else could it be accessing? |
| 15:35.40 | ajavid | smokes, any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 15:35.40 | ajavid | ? |
| 15:35.49 | smokes | nope |
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| 15:36.11 | ajavid | pastebin sources.list, the command you ran, output before editing sources.list and output after editing sources.list, pastebin all of it |
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| 15:37.11 | ajavid | throws .29 in the trash... |
| 15:37.30 | smokes | okay... |
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| 15:37.42 | hoopy | 'ello |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | din_os: yes |
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| 15:38.21 | smokes | sources.list: ##stable deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main ect... |
| 15:38.32 | ajavid | smokes, pastebin |
| 15:38.37 | ajavid | !tell smokes -about pastebin |
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| 15:39.08 | hoopy | i have several boxes on the same router and one cannot resolve any hostnames, it's running sid |
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| 15:39.23 | ajavid | din_os, abrotman, yes I was trying to build vmmon et all, and vboxdrv (both fail due to lack of .29 kbuild) |
| 15:39.27 | hoopy | anybody have an idea about why it wouldn't be able to resolve hostnames? |
| 15:39.52 | ajavid | hoopy, check resolv.conf on that box |
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| 15:40.15 | ajavid | hoopy, dig google.com (look at output to test) |
| 15:40.38 | ajavid | hoopy, other than resolv.conf I can't see a reason for it to not resolv hostnames to ip |
| 15:41.00 | ajavid | (lack of nameserver or incorrectly set nameserver ip) |
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| 15:41.27 | simonrvn | check its resolv.conf ... |
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| 15:41.36 | ajavid | in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:41.43 | Section58 | yo yo my server went down |
| 15:41.44 | \amethyst | if dig example.com or nslookup example.com works, but getent host example.com does not, the problem could be in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:41.49 | Section58 | got the isp on the phone now |
| 15:41.55 | \amethyst | err, getent hosts example.com |
| 15:41.57 | hoopy | ajavid: thanks! it only had 192.168.0.1 which apparently used to work |
| 15:41.58 | Section58 | and the guy doesn't know whats going on with it |
| 15:42.07 | Section58 | its in a mode ... something like a call trace |
| 15:42.13 | Section58 | its stopping him from loggin in |
| 15:42.18 | Section58 | any ideas what that is |
| 15:42.19 | ajavid | simonrvn, my bad I was thinking the full path and I thought I typed it |
| 15:42.25 | hoopy | i wonder if my router has an address i could specify for dns |
| 15:42.55 | ajavid | if router is doing dns, which it more than likey is, use router ip as nameserver |
| 15:43.06 | ajavid | (i use opendns exlusively) |
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| 15:43.21 | hoopy | i'll try it |
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| 15:43.54 | hoopy | yeah, works great |
| 15:44.03 | din_os | abrotman: why does this line in interfaces give me error? : iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 15:44.20 | ajavid | din_os, which error? |
| 15:44.22 | hoopy | does whatever is reading resolv.conf look at the top line as the #1 priority? |
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| 15:44.25 | aserrano | hello, after upgrading the grub2 package of Debian unstable the boot screen does not disappear after starting the boot process, has anybody experienced thi issue? |
| 15:44.26 | din_os | it says too many parameters or something |
| 15:44.29 | hoopy | and keep going to a line upon failure? |
| 15:44.33 | ajavid | aserrano, read in order |
| 15:44.35 | ajavid | afaik |
| 15:44.39 | din_os | but I only have this line under the two lo lines |
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| 15:44.53 | din_os | wait I'll reproduce it |
| 15:45.00 | MusicalGenius2 | if i check all the boxes when im installing the first dvd, does that make it set up everything on the first dvd? or is there more? |
| 15:45.14 | ajavid | MusicalGenius2, 50gb of packages |
| 15:45.14 | aserrano | ajavid, sorry, what do you mean? |
| 15:45.20 | din_os | actually.. if I do I'll disconnect. .:( |
| 15:45.29 | ajavid | MusicalGenius2, about 10+ dvds |
| 15:45.41 | ajavid | MusicalGenius2, just use cd1 or dvd 1 to isntall and then get whatever you need |
| 15:45.46 | ajavid | MusicalGenius2, which checkboxes are you talking about? |
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| 15:46.12 | ajavid | aserrano, oh sorry wrong nick |
| 15:46.21 | din_os | the error appears when I use ifup |
| 15:46.21 | MusicalGenius2 | it says web samba and stuff like that when you first install debian |
| 15:46.29 | MusicalGenius2 | is there more than those options on the first dvd? |
| 15:46.31 | voodoor | I'm wanting to create a preseed file to get lenny netinst to auto-install but I'm unsure what apt settings need to be used. I just want it to install everything off the netinst CD - net repositories won't be required |
| 15:46.33 | ajavid | din_os, which error |
| 15:46.52 | din_os | ajavid: I think the error is: too many parameters for iface command |
| 15:47.00 | ajavid | what is your command |
| 15:47.10 | din_os | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 15:47.16 | ajavid | thats not a command. |
| 15:48.43 | ajavid | din_os, ifup wlan0; ifdown wlan0 |
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| 15:48.55 | MusicalGenius2 | if i stick a wireless pcmia card in my laptop, is there a way to check out what the chip is? like atheros? or whatever? |
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| 15:49.01 | ajavid | din_os, if you put a line on top of your /etc/network/interfaces above this NIC's entry, as auto wlan0 then you can use /etc/init.d/networking start|restart|stop |
| 15:49.01 | ajavid | MusicalGenius2, dmesg |
| 15:49.01 | MusicalGenius2 | whats that mean? |
| 15:49.01 | ajavid | type it in console |
| 15:49.01 | MusicalGenius2 | ok |
| 15:49.11 | ajavid | MusicalGenius2, also, install pciutils and I'm guessing lspci or lsub should also report it, not sure if lshw will |
| 15:50.30 | voodoor | anyone ever pre-seeded netinst? An example file (for auto-installing netinst off cd) would be great |
| 15:50.46 | ajavid | there are exaple files I've seen and tutorials on line |
| 15:51.04 | voodoor | The d-i example seems to presume you want to install off the net- I don't |
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| 15:51.06 | ajavid | voodoor, search google man I'm sure I've seen some on debian official and debian administration and debianhelp co uk |
| 15:51.09 | ajavid | etc. etc. |
| 15:51.16 | din_os | ajavid: aha! so /etc/init.d/networking works ONLY if I have auto wlan0? |
| 15:51.25 | ajavid | din_os, that is correct |
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| 15:51.40 | din_os | what's the difference with ifup/ifdown?? |
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| 15:51.51 | commander_ | how do i get a debian desktop? |
| 15:51.51 | ajavid | one bring an iface up, one brings it down. |
| 15:52.08 | ajavid | commander_, you have debian installed? on command line? or have X setup? or nto? whats up? |
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| 15:52.12 | simonrvn | by installing debian |
| 15:52.14 | ajavid | !tell commander_ -about setup x |
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| 15:52.48 | commander_ | what setup x? |
| 15:52.55 | ajavid | simonrvn, hes all yours |
| 15:52.58 | s1kx | is there a way to use a2enmod without using the debian package of the apache httpd-server, but compiling it myself? |
| 15:53.27 | ajavid | s1kx, from .deb sources or pristine source? |
| 15:53.44 | s1kx | pristine source. |
| 15:53.48 | ajavid | I've rebuilt debian packages and everyting is a-ok |
| 15:53.52 | nkuttler | s1kx: that's going to be messy, just make symlinks yourself |
| 15:53.55 | MusicalGenius2 | is intersil corporation a type of card? lol |
| 15:53.56 | ajavid | s1kx, I don't know. |
| 15:54.29 | din_os | ajavid: so this line: iface wlan0 inet dhcp seems completely correct to you? |
| 15:54.32 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: they make wireless chips at least |
| 15:54.38 | ajavid | din_os, perfect |
| 15:55.07 | nkuttler | though wlan0 might want some essid, keys etc |
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| 15:55.34 | ajavid | you can test and then write them |
| 15:55.46 | MusicalGenius2 | how would i go about finding some drivers for an intersil card? |
| 15:55.49 | ajavid | iwconfig wlan0 essid "fuck you asshole" :) |
| 15:55.49 | din_os | nkuttler: about these, I use wireless-essid and wireless-key directives because I am on a wep network |
| 15:55.59 | MusicalGenius2 | and or would it work with debian you think? |
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| 15:56.18 | ajavid | never heard of that wifi brand |
| 15:56.24 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: try prism, prism54 |
| 15:56.42 | din_os | but while on a 64bit-enc network works fine, it seems to stumble on a different 128bit wep one |
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| 15:57.24 | ajavid | is onstable with .29 (.30 after reboot) and my wifi works just fine on 128bit (ralink) |
| 15:57.34 | din_os | I don't know if the encryption is the fault here but is there an extra directive (let's say wireless-enc) to specify more about it? |
| 15:57.44 | ajavid | so hapy |
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| 15:58.01 | Juansalvador | Good morning guys, How can i add my apache/php and mysql services to active after reeboot? |
| 15:58.04 | ajavid | im so happy im gonna go poop. bye bye. |
| 15:58.09 | din_os | also works fine with 128 when using network manager |
| 15:58.44 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, how do i go about getting ndiswrapper and its dependancies |
| 15:58.47 | nkuttler | Juansalvador: they should be by default. try rcconf |
| 15:58.55 | din_os | wants to use interfaces file because he has sch scripts that switch networks according to location! :P |
| 15:58.58 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: why do you need that? |
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| 15:59.08 | MusicalGenius2 | idk, i found the drivers for the card |
| 15:59.13 | MusicalGenius2 | it doesnt work at the moment |
| 15:59.21 | MusicalGenius2 | or at least not to my knowledge |
| 15:59.31 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: look into the prism54 driver and install the firmware if you need it |
| 15:59.32 | MusicalGenius2 | i dont really know how to use debian, i just installed it yesterday |
| 15:59.45 | MusicalGenius2 | huh? |
| 15:59.57 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: the prism54 site should list compatible cards |
| 16:00.00 | MusicalGenius2 | im using that card on a debian machine |
| 16:00.03 | alecs1 | hi, does anyone know an open-source CAD program with good support for tolerancing? |
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| 16:00.58 | alecs1 | I tried BRL-CAD but didnt get far in that direction with the docs; not to mention the alien interface |
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| 16:02.02 | jpcooper | hello |
| 16:02.16 | jpcooper | does anyone know why /etc/init.d/lighttpd stop doesn't actually stop lighttpd processes? |
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| 16:03.40 | Juansalvador | nkuttler, is that file in /etc/rc0.d ? |
| 16:03.49 | h3xis | are there any floppy images for a lenny install? |
| 16:04.07 | Juansalvador | i have rc0 1 2 3 4 5... |
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| 16:06.20 | smokes | ajavid: told your friend about some of the stuff, by the way, your friend is wierd |
| 16:07.22 | ajavid | huh? |
| 16:07.44 | ajavid | wtf are you on about? I just come back taking a poop and you're tellin me my friends are weird? I don't know you dude, who are you? |
| 16:07.57 | smokes | I have your pastebin stuff... |
| 16:07.59 | nkuttler | Juansalvador: don't touch those files. use rcconf |
| 16:08.01 | ajavid | oh that dude |
| 16:08.07 | ajavid | oh yeah, smokes go ahead |
| 16:08.26 | ajavid | smokes, by my friend do you mean 'dpkg' ? |
| 16:08.28 | Juansalvador | sorry what you mean with use rcconf? |
| 16:08.37 | smokes | yeah, a joke |
| 16:08.37 | ajavid | !tell Juansalvador -about rcconf |
| 16:08.44 | ajavid | smokes, hehe |
| 16:09.00 | nkuttler | Juansalvador: install, run |
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| 16:10.24 | smokes | speaking of smokes,I'll smoke one while you peruse the robot-chat |
| 16:10.39 | ajavid | bot sex |
| 16:11.12 | smokes | i told you not to tell anyone about that! j/k |
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| 16:11.21 | ajavid | !floppy |
| 16:11.21 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian Installer images written to floppy disk(s), then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>. |
| 16:11.41 | ajavid | h3xis, pretty much SOL dude |
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| 16:12.00 | ajavid | h3xis, you CAN however install etch using floppies and then upgrade to lenny |
| 16:12.00 | h3xis | ajavid: thought so. i read something about the kernel being too large to fit on a floppy :/ |
| 16:12.08 | h3xis | ajavid: doing that now :) |
| 16:12.29 | Juansalvador | Thanks dpkb, but :~# rcconf |
| 16:12.29 | Juansalvador | bash: rcconf: command not found |
| 16:12.37 | ajavid | !intallit |
| 16:12.40 | ajavid | !intall it |
| 16:12.44 | ajavid | oh motherucking s |
| 16:12.52 | ajavid | I give up, Juansalvador aptitude install |
| 16:12.59 | jmoncayo | good morning, anyone here has configured chillispot + freeradius? |
| 16:13.05 | Juansalvador | oh, letme see.. |
| 16:13.15 | ajavid | !tell Juansalvador -about install it |
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| 16:13.39 | linduxed | i just did a netinstall of lenny and as soon as i rebooted i got something almost identical to the following http://tinyurl.com/mu2cnl |
| 16:13.39 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.52 | ajavid | iluminator101, you don't |
| 16:13.53 | iluminator101 | stew:ext4 was not an option in my install??? |
| 16:14.05 | linduxed | that thread is not mine, but i does reflect what happened to me |
| 16:14.18 | linduxed | note that this is the first boot after installation |
| 16:14.20 | ajavid | iluminator101, why do you want to install on ext4? then you'll have to use grub2 which is in itself a bit unstale atm |
| 16:14.49 | ajavid | iluminator101, just install on ext3, get your system up, and then mount ext4 using any kernel later than .29 (as recommended by kernel.org) |
| 16:15.06 | stew | iluminator101: it was when I used a weekly about a week ago |
| 16:15.15 | stew | iluminator101: are you doing manual parittioning? |
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| 16:15.44 | Juansalvador | ok im on rcconf now: options are marked to be on auto reboot after activating it? |
| 16:15.45 | linduxed | actually the code provided in the link i posted is exactly what i get on my lenny bootup |
| 16:15.55 | linduxed | any ideas? |
| 16:16.05 | iluminator101 | stew:yea...ext4 not an option |
| 16:16.43 | ajavid | linduxed, which arch? |
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| 16:16.58 | linduxed | ajavid: i dont know what you mean with arch |
| 16:16.59 | stew | iluminator101: then either yours is older than mine was, or they removed it since last week or two |
| 16:17.00 | ajavid | linduxed, that sound so very unlikely ... |
| 16:17.07 | ajavid | linduxed, architechkur |
| 16:17.13 | linduxed | ajavid: 64-bit |
| 16:17.13 | ajavid | oof |
| 16:17.23 | ajavid | linduxed, I'm on lenny amd64... |
| 16:17.24 | iluminator101 | stew: link me to your netinstall version |
| 16:17.31 | Juansalvador | if it is, i have a problem, all that i need to activate on reboot are marked :( |
| 16:17.32 | ajavid | linduxed, thats so weird, your init is gone...! |
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| 16:17.51 | ajavid | I can't think of any reasons why it would be gone after areboot |
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| 16:18.01 | linduxed | ajavid: its even more wierd since i finished the install just now.... |
| 16:18.08 | stew | iluminator101: it not available any longer, since it was a weekly, and a new weekly has been released since then, but i would have gotten it from http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 16:18.25 | linduxed | ajavid: reinstall? |
| 16:18.41 | ajavid | k |
| 16:18.41 | iluminator101 | stew:netinstall? |
| 16:19.00 | stew | iluminator101: I don't remember if i was using netinstall or cd1 |
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| 16:19.18 | ajavid | I guess... though thats so ... I mean wtf. In my entire history of linux since n1994 I've NEVER heard of that ever happening ... ever |
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| 16:19.50 | ajavid | and on stable debian right after install? thats just crazy man |
| 16:20.08 | ajavid | that is sooo crazy. |
| 16:20.20 | iluminator101 | stew: can you please find out what version it was do have cd available |
| 16:20.38 | linduxed | ajavid: well after an install it might be rare, but it seems the same general problem exists on many debian based systems |
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| 16:20.47 | ajavid | linduxed, I'm stumped , I have no idea what to tell you. I would reinstall... I would actuall redownload the netinst image and verify its checksum |
| 16:21.08 | ajavid | but don't listem to me, just yet |
| 16:21.20 | iluminator101 | stew:what size is you install cd that you used? |
| 16:21.20 | ajavid | linduxed, maybe some else can shed some light ont he matter |
| 16:21.43 | linduxed | ajavid: honestly im very close to doing reinstall |
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| 16:21.52 | linduxed | will take an hour or so |
| 16:21.52 | stew | iluminator101: if i used cd1 it would have been around 700mb, if i used netinstall it would have been around 160mb |
| 16:22.00 | cahoot | linduxed: got an exteranl disk attached? |
| 16:22.07 | linduxed | cahoot: nope |
| 16:22.16 | cahoot | usbstick? |
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| 16:22.20 | linduxed | cahoot: nope |
| 16:22.28 | ajavid | no no |
| 16:22.36 | linduxed | cahoot: even ripped out all the other SATA drives |
| 16:22.36 | ajavid | don't help him fix the problem, I really want to see if he can reproduce it |
| 16:22.39 | ajavid | (if he doesn't mind) |
| 16:22.40 | Verlex | salve a tutti in chatt |
| 16:22.44 | iluminator101 | stew:can you please check which cd you used... |
| 16:22.49 | stew | iluminator101: no, sorry |
| 16:22.51 | commander_ | help i want to get debian 5.0 and ican't |
| 16:23.05 | linduxed | ajavid: dude, ill just reboot if i want to reproduce it... |
| 16:23.09 | stew | iluminator101: but it doesn't make a difference |
| 16:23.13 | commander_ | what do i need to do. u go to the site .. |
| 16:23.14 | iluminator101 | k |
| 16:23.26 | ajavid | linduxed, how can you reboot if init is totally gone, you can't do anything |
| 16:23.29 | stew | linduxed: does yours actually say "/root/sda1" or does it say "/dev/sda1"? |
| 16:23.33 | iluminator101 | bigger one have more packages |
| 16:23.43 | stew | iluminator101: yes, but the same paritioner |
| 16:23.48 | smokes | lol@linduxed |
| 16:23.58 | linduxed | ajavid: reboot as in typing that in the busybox shell |
| 16:24.12 | linduxed | smokes: i know |
| 16:24.20 | linduxed | smokes: this shit is spectacular |
| 16:24.22 | stew | he claerly has init |
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| 16:24.44 | ajavid | I thought he couldn't get in period, it was gone |
| 16:25.02 | linduxed | ajavid: actually a slight modification to that post |
| 16:25.08 | linduxed | ajavid: ill pastbin |
| 16:25.11 | ajavid | linduxed, should have mentioned it! |
| 16:25.17 | ajavid | its ok though, I'm not mad |
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| 16:25.22 | Verlex | hi people |
| 16:26.25 | smokes | hey verlex, there's people in here |
| 16:26.39 | Juansalvador | in order to do the sysv-rc-conf marked services correctly, need i to mark services in services [1] ? |
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| 16:26.57 | ajavid | linduxed, i really want to see if you can install lenny amd64 on the same box, diff partition (or try to keep the same setup as before and reisntall and see if you can reproduce this error) |
| 16:27.26 | ajavid | linduxed, reboto after finishing lenny install and known bug in many debian based distros (apparantly in lenny too?) just bizzare man |
| 16:27.53 | linduxed | ajavid: http://pastebin.com/m46a92837 |
| 16:28.39 | stew | linduxed: is the the only installed kernel? do you have another kernel that works? |
| 16:28.49 | Verlex | I'm installing debian 5.0 Lenny |
| 16:28.59 | linduxed | stew: no other that netinstall got me afaik |
| 16:29.00 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 16:29.05 | linduxed | wildc4rd: o/ |
| 16:29.13 | linduxed | Verlex: nice |
| 16:29.23 | ajavid | linduxed, netinst should have fetched 2.6.26 |
| 16:29.25 | Verlex | thanks linduxed |
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| 16:29.45 | Juansalvador | please? |
| 16:29.46 | linduxed | ajavid: yeah, so? |
| 16:29.52 | ajavid | linduxed, and amd64 right? |
| 16:29.52 | Verlex | on PIII whith 128 Mb ram |
| 16:30.04 | linduxed | ajavid: yeah |
| 16:30.16 | stew | linduxed: do you know which chipset your sata/ide/scsi card with the root fs is? |
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| 16:30.45 | stew | linduxed: this could maybe be fixed by rebuilding the initrd, which you'd have to do by booting some rescue media and chrooting |
| 16:30.47 | Verlex | I have a Ati 3D RAGE IIC AGP 52804, can i install compiz? |
| 16:30.59 | Verlex | whit debian? |
| 16:31.10 | linduxed | stew: no |
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| 16:31.15 | ajavid | Verlex, perhaps |
| 16:31.37 | linduxed | stew: hmmm, sounds reasonable |
| 16:31.40 | ajavid | Verlex, I can't recall of the top of my head of this card is supported by radeon or the one before that the 128 something |
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| 16:31.51 | mgolisch | does apt or dpkg support custom hooks? id like to have it run a shellscript whenever a package matching a pattern is installed/updated |
| 16:31.55 | mgolisch | is this possible? |
| 16:31.58 | linduxed | ajavid: honestly i think ill just do a reinstall and see if that helps... |
| 16:32.07 | linduxed | ajavid: what a stupid problem |
| 16:32.12 | ajavid | linduxed, its not that bad |
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| 16:32.23 | stew | linduxed: you can probably expect that the installer will do the same thing every time |
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| 16:32.36 | linduxed | stew: my thoughts exactly |
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| 16:32.42 | ajavid | linduxed, if it is your hardware, then you will have the same issue |
| 16:32.49 | stew | linduxed: you could try a kmuto installer which would use a newer kernel: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:32.55 | ajavid | linduxed, you CAN however try the kmuto backported d-i images i hope |
| 16:32.59 | ajavid | in hope* |
| 16:33.33 | stew | linduxed: you could also try to figure out which module is the right one for your ata/scsi chipset, and make sure that is included and loaded in your initrd, which is a bit of a pain to do becuase it requires rescue media and chrooting |
| 16:33.44 | stew | linduxed: (/msg dpkg kmuoto) |
| 16:34.04 | Juansalvador | i marked services in [6] with sysv-rc-conf but still no activating after reboot ;( |
| 16:34.31 | linduxed | stew: and knowledge beyond me |
| 16:34.42 | linduxed | stew: im in for learning, but damn... |
| 16:34.44 | ajavid | linduxed, if you want to have some fun, download a live cd, boot it, mount your lenny partition, chroot into it, mount bind dev and also proc and take it from there |
| 16:34.44 | stew | linduxed: heh :) we can walk you through it, if you like :) |
| 16:35.09 | ajavid | linduxed, its not that bad like I said |
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| 16:35.15 | linduxed | well ill start by firing up a livecd then |
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| 16:35.29 | linduxed | well see where that leads me |
| 16:35.42 | stew | linduxed: can you do that and stay connected here? |
| 16:35.46 | ajavid | linduxed, get a fairly brand spanking one |
| 16:35.59 | ajavid | linduxed, if it IS your hw, then yeah, get a live cd with a brand new kernel |
| 16:36.03 | linduxed | stew: yepp |
| 16:36.11 | thechef | Which protocol do hp network scanners use? (officejet) |
| 16:36.14 | linduxed | stew: this is an other comp |
| 16:36.22 | thechef | And how can I access it in linux? |
| 16:36.34 | ajavid | tcp/ip? |
| 16:36.37 | linduxed | ajavid: its a jaunty jackalope liveusb :-P |
| 16:36.41 | thechef | which higher level protocol |
| 16:37.02 | ajavid | linduxed, dear god |
| 16:37.06 | ajavid | linduxed, j/k ;) |
| 16:37.11 | stew | linduxed: after it boots, tell me what "lspci -n | awk '/0101/{print $3}'" returns |
| 16:37.12 | Juansalvador | please help ;( |
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| 16:37.57 | thechef | Does sane provide a backend for hp network scanners? |
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| 16:38.23 | ajavid | thechef, no idea, but maybe look at hpoj/hpijs |
| 16:38.39 | ajavid | thechef, hpoj google it maybe it has some info about network capabilities |
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| 16:39.58 | linduxed | ajavid: using a ubuntu stick to check on a lenny install.... |
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| 16:40.49 | anodyne | is there anyway in XChat to save tab order on reconnect? |
| 16:40.58 | thechef | mhnfvhgdfhg |
| 16:41.04 | ajavid | anodyne, no |
| 16:41.04 | thechef | sorry |
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| 16:41.25 | ajavid | anodyne, but... if you do autojoin and specify the channels in any order, tabs will open in that order |
| 16:41.27 | linduxed | stew: ok here we go... |
| 16:41.28 | ajavid | afaicr |
| 16:41.42 | ajavid | anodyne, join #xhat |
| 16:41.44 | ajavid | anodyne, join #xchat |
| 16:41.49 | anodyne | ok thank you |
| 16:42.14 | smokes | not chef! |
| 16:42.18 | anodyne | i'll ask there, i tried the autojoin but it opens randomly every time =/ |
| 16:42.41 | ajavid | anodyne, I don't use xchat, I'm an irssi guy, I just do /window move left |
| 16:42.57 | linduxed | stew: got two values on that command you gave me |
| 16:43.06 | linduxed | whatever that command meant |
| 16:43.22 | anodyne | ajavid:im new to linux so i got xchat as it was the easiest, is irssi much better? |
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| 16:43.31 | ajavid | anodyne, tons better |
| 16:43.34 | ajavid | anodyne, http://picpaste.com/irssi_1.png |
| 16:43.37 | linduxed | stew: 8086:27df and 8086:27c0 |
| 16:43.47 | ajavid | anodyne, text only, very powerful, very configurable, can do anything you like |
| 16:43.53 | linduxed | stew: can you make any sense out of that? |
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| 16:44.25 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:27df |
| 16:44.27 | judd | stew: [8086:27df] is '82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27df |
| 16:44.28 | ajavid | anodyne, if you read screenshot, it says ajavid loaths xchat ;) |
| 16:44.33 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:27c0 |
| 16:44.35 | judd | stew: [8086:27c0] is '82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27c0 |
| 16:44.39 | RichiH | is there a way to force arp to poll all neighbours it can see? |
| 16:45.02 | ajavid | stew, dude... fucking a. |
| 16:45.10 | dkr | RichiH: broadcast ping, then arp -an to view the cache? |
| 16:45.10 | stew | ajavid: i'm sorry? |
| 16:45.11 | ajavid | this bot is the shit. |
| 16:45.26 | anodyne | ajavid:haha nice, i'll give it a whirl |
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| 16:45.38 | stew | linduxed: so that is not new, and a pretty common chipset. so that doesn't tell us much |
| 16:45.41 | RichiH | dkr: the machine i have in there has no IP |
| 16:45.43 | dkr | RichiH: or arping might be useful |
| 16:46.02 | linduxed | stew: ajavid: am i guessing it right that its basically the kmuto version of lenny or nothing? |
| 16:46.02 | RichiH | and the subnet is full |
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| 16:46.02 | RichiH | i just want to check if the vlan is set up correctly |
| 16:46.07 | stew | linduxed: but in any case. can you get your root partition mounted somewere, perhaps /mnt ? |
| 16:46.24 | stew | linduxed: that is sufficiently old, that I'm suprised you are having a problem at all |
| 16:46.33 | smokes | hey ajavid, you free? |
| 16:46.34 | stew | ajavid: you can thank themill for the pciid additions to judd |
| 16:46.47 | linduxed | stew: will it complicate that i used LVM on that thing? |
| 16:47.15 | Juansalvador | i cant see php in init.d, and is already installed =S |
| 16:47.20 | ajavid | stew, awesome, i'll be sure to |
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| 16:47.58 | ajavid | LVM |
| 16:47.59 | linduxed | stew: i think i came across something |
| 16:48.02 | ajavid | omg. |
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| 16:48.15 | smokes | ajavid: you ever check out the pastebin? |
| 16:48.18 | ajavid | linduxed, is your /boot on an LVM |
| 16:48.23 | ajavid | smokes, I never got the link my godo man |
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| 16:48.29 | linduxed | stew: i just mounted what im quite sure is my /boot |
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| 16:48.43 | linduxed | stew: the partition is just the right size |
| 16:48.48 | linduxed | ajavid: no ofc not |
| 16:48.57 | ajavid | I was about to say... ok good |
| 16:49.01 | ajavid | whew |
| 16:49.11 | ajavid | smokes, can you kindly give me the link again? |
| 16:49.25 | smokes | it's a few of them... |
| 16:49.42 | linduxed | stew: ajavid: the thing is that if the partition ive mounted is /boot... then it only contains a lost+found and nothing else... |
| 16:49.47 | ajavid | type em on one line seperated by - |
| 16:50.03 | linduxed | stew: ajavid: which would make this even more stupid |
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| 16:51.21 | ajavid | smokes, ... |
| 16:51.44 | ajavid | smokes, I'm gonna be leaving in a bit... hurry up if you need my help |
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| 16:51.58 | dustybin | is it worth using RAID at home? RAID is _NOT_ backup, RAID is for redundancy, to keep a server online etc. is using RAID at home a waste of HD .ie. RAID 5 / 6 |
| 16:52.05 | smokes | (source list) http://paste.debian.net/40749/- (command & result) ..../40751- (dir)../40753 |
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| 16:52.24 | smokes | bam! |
| 16:52.31 | ajavid | dustybin, I just use raid for speed, faster disk access, and thats about all(for home) |
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| 16:52.53 | ajavid | dustybin, I have backups done every monday midnight (full ones) and nightly differential |
| 16:53.09 | ajavid | dustybin, right, raid is no substitute for backup |
| 16:53.20 | dustybin | yep exactly, if one backs up, i do not need to use RAID at home |
| 16:53.22 | ajavid | Juansalvador, please do not msg me, don't signle me out for help, and please ask the whole channel |
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| 16:53.29 | ajavid | dustybin, course you do |
| 16:53.33 | ajavid | dustybin, faster disk access |
| 16:53.34 | ajavid | :/ |
| 16:53.44 | dustybin | i really dont need faster disk access |
| 16:53.46 | ajavid | whats the matter with you |
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| 16:54.08 | ajavid | well if you like slow access then use slow access :) |
| 16:54.09 | smokes | those links legible? |
| 16:54.16 | stew | linduxed: does /boot on your root partition contian kernels? |
| 16:54.16 | ajavid | smokes, yes looking |
| 16:54.27 | Juansalvador | ok, this is my problem i have installed php5 apache and mysql and running like it say me but i cant to use them |
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| 16:55.08 | linduxed | stew: well if this is the correct partition (and im quite sure it is) then /boot doesnt contain anything |
| 16:55.24 | linduxed | stew: dunno why debian would think thats a good idea... |
| 16:55.27 | Section58 | hi |
| 16:55.43 | Section58 | my internet keeps droppin gout |
| 16:55.57 | ajavid | smokes, dude.. woody? |
| 16:56.03 | ajavid | lol. |
| 16:56.06 | Juansalvador | could you helpme please? |
| 16:56.08 | Section58 | wlan0 just removes itself from the ip route display |
| 16:56.11 | Section58 | what could cause this ? |
| 16:56.29 | stew | linduxed: so /boot on the root partition doesn't contain kernels. is there a separate /boot partition then? |
| 16:56.34 | smokes | <--shame, kickin it ol' school |
| 16:56.41 | linduxed | stew: nonono |
| 16:56.42 | ajavid | smokes, I'm NOT supporting woody. |
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| 16:56.54 | linduxed | stew: /boot is a separate boot partition |
| 16:56.54 | ajavid | smokes, I doubt anyone will, for real |
| 16:57.11 | smokes | it's not even on the sources.list, check that out |
| 16:57.14 | linduxed | stew: there are two, one is /boot and the other is LVM |
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| 16:57.34 | linduxed | stew: and the /boot one seems to be totally empty |
| 16:57.47 | linduxed | stew: which i guess can cause problems |
| 16:58.15 | smokes | that's what it does with the new list at /40749/ |
| 16:58.21 | ajavid | let me see |
| 16:58.32 | stew | linduxed: somewhere there is a boot directory that contains a kernel, or else you wouldn't have gotten to busybox |
| 16:58.37 | stew | smokes: this is damnsmalllinux? |
| 16:59.26 | smokes | debian's redheaded stepchild? yes |
| 16:59.26 | linduxed | stew: maybe inside the LVM? or is it too early in the boot process to get to LVMs? |
| 16:59.27 | ajavid | oh my god. |
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| 16:59.27 | stew | smokes: then you should be looking for help in #damnsmalllinux, not here |
| 16:59.27 | stew | linduxed: yeah, that could be as well |
| 16:59.29 | ajavid | alright. I'm not gonna be mad. |
| 16:59.51 | stew | linduxed: you can run "vgchange -a y" to active lvm, which should make /dev/mapper/ contain block devices for the lvm stuff |
| 17:00.02 | stew | linduxed: BUT, if you have lvm, there should be a /boot which is outside of lvm |
| 17:00.12 | linduxed | stew: int hte live environment? |
| 17:00.13 | stew | linduxed: (which contains a kernel) |
| 17:00.15 | stew | linduxed: yes |
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| 17:00.44 | smokes | thanks ajavid |
| 17:00.50 | jmoncayo | anyone here installed chillispot? |
| 17:00.57 | ajavid | well, at least he is greatful for wasting my time. |
| 17:01.16 | ajavid | jmoncayo, whats a chillispot? sounds funny :D |
| 17:01.21 | smokes | still gonna give it a shot?, that stuff is obviously all messed up... |
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| 17:01.34 | ajavid | smokes, why not install debian? |
| 17:01.39 | linduxed | stew: as said, there is a partition outside of LVM dedicated to /boot, which contains nothing but a lost+found folder |
| 17:01.45 | jmoncayo | ajavid: a cautive portal |
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| 17:01.56 | ajavid | cuative? |
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| 17:02.00 | ajavid | english dude |
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| 17:02.06 | stew | captive |
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| 17:02.10 | ajavid | oh |
| 17:02.23 | smokes | the only os i have is dsl, i been stuck with it for half a month now... |
| 17:02.23 | ajavid | smokes, /msg dpkg mmhr |
| 17:02.25 | stew | (or apt-cache show packagename) |
| 17:02.29 | jmoncayo | captive :D |
| 17:02.31 | ajavid | smokes, debian can run on VERY little resources) |
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| 17:02.36 | stew | smokes: try #damnsmalllinux |
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| 17:03.03 | ajavid | smokes, you will be happy with debian lenny, give it a shot |
| 17:03.13 | smokes | to get any other system I'd have to fix dsl to get it-- da irony |
| 17:03.25 | stew | linduxed: then there is some other partition containing your kernel |
| 17:03.30 | ajavid | smokes, no you don't |
| 17:03.58 | smokes | my apt-get's busted... |
| 17:04.04 | ajavid | smokes, if you have dsl installed to a harddrive its no different than any other linux distro. simply download netboot/hd-media(with iso) and boot it with grub or lilo |
| 17:04.27 | ajavid | smokes, even if you don't, boot a live cd, format, mount partition, debootstrap, install debian th ehardway |
| 17:04.37 | ajavid | smokes, seriously, try debian dude, its wicked awesome |
| 17:04.59 | valan | debian is boring |
| 17:05.03 | ajavid | smokes, the debian install guide is fantastic |
| 17:05.06 | valan | it works too well, gives me nothing to fix |
| 17:05.22 | smokes | dsl didn't have a guide... |
| 17:05.40 | ajavid | anyway, i'm done selling debian, you make your own decisions anyway. |
| 17:05.47 | stew | smokes: dsl if off-topid here. if you need to get dsl fixed, please try a different channel |
| 17:06.00 | stew | ^topid^topic |
| 17:06.08 | p4tr0p1 | uhaeuhuahe |
| 17:06.22 | smokes | well if I can do what you said...I'll give it a shot, dsl gets no support |
| 17:06.40 | ajavid | !tell smokes -about ig |
| 17:06.51 | Gun_Smoke | is there a x86 bigmem kernel in backports? I know there are a couple kernels there, but the web package search is not showing which. |
| 17:07.05 | Gun_Smoke | lenny-backports |
| 17:07.07 | ajavid | smokes, chapters 3,4,5 most important for you, rest is also, but this is most important |
| 17:07.10 | fxiny | valan: lazyness is bliss :P |
| 17:07.11 | linduxed | stew: hmmm |
| 17:07.24 | ajavid | smokes, chapter 5 helps you install debian from an already existing linux |
| 17:07.43 | linduxed | stew: ok so i did a vgchange -a y |
| 17:07.43 | ajavid | smokes, you can always simply just get a cd iso and use that |
| 17:07.55 | linduxed | stew: now what? |
| 17:07.59 | smokes | cool man, i'll read it now |
| 17:08.01 | adb | Gun_Smoke: yes linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686-bigmem |
| 17:08.07 | ajavid | smokes, fantastic :) |
| 17:08.43 | linduxed | stew: oh found it |
| 17:08.49 | ajavid | smokes, if you really want to install debian, there are numerous way. If you express an interst and try, we'll help you get going |
| 17:09.30 | linduxed | stew: i mouted /dev/mapper/blabla-root at /mnt and in there, inside /mnt/boot all the stuff is lying |
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| 17:10.02 | smokes | thanks, i'll try it-- but i gotta read it so i know what the heck is going on |
| 17:10.12 | ajavid | enjoy |
| 17:10.25 | linduxed | stew: but thats strange... the guided partitioner decided to drop the kernel into the LVM and not the /boot partition |
| 17:10.39 | ajavid | anyway i gotz ta go dawgs. |
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| 17:11.36 | sylar | what is --podir ? |
| 17:11.44 | smokes | take it easy ajavid, preciate it man |
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| 17:12.57 | ajavid | debian like religion you know so i go to debian heaven after i die if i get more converts... |
| 17:13.11 | ajavid | anywa, take it easy. |
| 17:13.12 | linduxed | stew: so apparently its all there, but the /boot files are resided in the LVM controlled /-LV not in the physical partition /boot |
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| 17:13.23 | linduxed | stew: any idea on where to go from here? |
| 17:13.43 | smokes | well i already signed up for viking heaven...y'know..wenches |
| 17:13.45 | anodyne | wowsers |
| 17:13.50 | anodyne | irssi is no joke |
| 17:14.28 | smokes | like the new client, eh |
| 17:14.40 | stew | linduxed: so mount your / partition in mnt ; mv /mnt/boot /mnt/boot2 ; mount your boot partition to /boot ; cp -a /mnt/boot2/* /mnt/boot/ ; then mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc ; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys ; the chroot /mnt ; which starts a new shell inside debian, and run "update-initramfs -u -k all" to rebuild your initrd |
| 17:14.58 | anodyne | smokes:first i have to learn to new client |
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| 17:15.15 | stew | linduxed: actually before the update-initramfs, i'd recommend making sure that /etc/fstab looks correct |
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| 17:20.44 | linduxed | stew: should i remove the /mnt/boot2 then? |
| 17:21.01 | stew | linduxed: did all that work? |
| 17:21.04 | stew | linduxed: its up to you really |
| 17:21.17 | stew | linduxed: i might be inclined to keep it until I'm actually booting |
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| 17:21.36 | linduxed | stew: well everything up to chroot |
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| 17:22.09 | linduxed | stew: then it gave me "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash/': Exec format error |
| 17:22.24 | linduxed | stew: so no chroot for me |
| 17:23.07 | stew | linduxed: if /bin/bash doesn't exist, i'd guess you don't have the right root filesystem yet |
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| 17:24.04 | linduxed | well it sure looks right |
| 17:24.21 | stew | linduxed: what makes it look right? |
| 17:24.31 | stew | linduxed: is there other, expected stuff in /bin |
| 17:25.07 | linduxed | stew: all the folders are in place that i can think of, /mnt/bin/ contains lots of stuff, including /bin/bash |
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| 17:25.30 | linduxed | stew: df, dd, gzip, nano, sed and so on |
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| 17:30.57 | linduxed | stew: hmmmm, found something with google... |
| 17:31.30 | linduxed | could it be that i cant chroot because the liveusb is 32-bit and the system i chroot into is 64-bit? |
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| 17:32.52 | _Kuba | hi! |
| 17:33.04 | stew | linduxed: what does "flie /mnt/bin/bash" return? |
| 17:33.16 | smokes | hey Kuba |
| 17:33.19 | _Kuba | is it possible to run program and don't let it connect to internet? |
| 17:33.20 | linduxed | stew: found this http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-3166 |
| 17:33.38 | _Kuba | some kind of jail (?) :P\ |
| 17:33.41 | anodyne | hmm |
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| 17:34.01 | linduxed | stew: 64-bit executable |
| 17:34.10 | linduxed | stew: apparently thats the deal |
| 17:34.28 | stew | linduxed: you booted a 32 bit livecd and are trying to chroot to a 64 bit usrspace |
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| 17:34.37 | linduxed | stew: yupp |
| 17:34.45 | linduxed | is awesome |
| 17:34.46 | stew | linduxed: you need to do this with a 64 bit livecd |
| 17:34.58 | linduxed | stew: i figured :-P |
| 17:35.17 | lafrance | :) |
| 17:35.19 | linduxed | stew: have to create one first :-/ |
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| 17:35.22 | dkr | _Kuba: you can use iptables to make rules to drop packets created bya certain uid. i.e. the uid you run the program as |
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| 17:36.32 | _Kuba | dkr: and something easier/less invasice? |
| 17:36.39 | _Kuba | invasive* |
| 17:36.45 | linduxed | stew: oh well i cant do it now, but ill do it tomorrow then |
| 17:36.52 | linduxed | stew: thanks for all the help |
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| 17:37.14 | linduxed | stew: the log is saved, so ill just follow that and hope for the best |
| 17:37.24 | lafrance | stew quick pm ? |
| 17:37.30 | linduxed | otherwise ill be attacking this channel again |
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| 17:37.43 | _Kuba | dkr: like `runwithoutaccestoinernet firefox` :P |
| 17:37.48 | dkr | _Kuba: network connections happen in the kernel, telling the kernel to not send packets from that user is the least invasive way I can think of |
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| 17:39.26 | dkr | other alternatives would be a modified glibc linked with the binary with stubs for connect() send(), but that is more invasive and a lot more work |
| 17:40.26 | _Kuba | dkr: hm, thanks for your reply, however I thouth it would be easier ;] |
| 17:40.29 | dkr | hrm, maybe with the capablities stuff you could disallow network access. I've never messed with it. or selinux |
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| 17:40.47 | dkr | _Kuba: uhm, how is rewriting glibc less work than issuing one iptables command? |
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| 17:42.37 | Bashbin | hi |
| 17:43.01 | Bashbin | I am using Debian Lenny - While installing I choosed "Do not configure network now - I will manually configure it later" |
| 17:43.17 | dkr | _Kuba: adduser nonet; iptables -I OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner nonet -j DROP; su nonet -c program |
| 17:43.19 | Bashbin | the problem I've got: After the installation process, I plugged in an ethernet line |
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| 17:43.24 | eirikb | Hello. I extracted JRuby to /usr/local/lib/jruby so every user can access it, but the folder is only accessable for root. What to do? chmod 777 -R is bad. Should I create a group and add the users and files to the group? |
| 17:43.28 | Bashbin | this ethernet line comes from a DHCP Router |
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| 17:43.42 | Bashbin | so my computer should be connected to the internet automatically |
| 17:44.02 | Bashbin | but it comes to no internet connection when I plug in the ethernet line from the DHCP Router |
| 17:44.05 | Bashbin | what can I do? |
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| 17:44.51 | abrotman | Bashbin: first, try to state your whole problem on one line .. second, man interfaces |
| 17:45.16 | dkr | Bashbin: configure your network manually as you said you would. :) |
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| 17:45.27 | Bashbin | abrotman, what after man interfaces? The thing is, THIS computer I am actually using is the one using the ethernet line |
| 17:45.33 | dkr | by edit your interfaces file |
| 17:45.37 | Bashbin | when I unplug it here, I cannot chat with you anymore |
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| 17:45.50 | jmoncayo | is there chillispot from repo? |
| 17:45.55 | Bashbin | dkr, but a DHCP Router should automatically connect my to the internet?! |
| 17:46.19 | dkr | Bashbin: yuo still have to configure your interface to ask for an ip address via the dhcp protocol. read man interfaces |
| 17:46.19 | abrotman | Bashbin: read the man page .. roughly, oyu need two lines(assuming it's eth0) "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 17:46.37 | adb | dpkg: tell jmoncayo about search |
| 17:46.53 | adb | dpkg: tell jmoncayo about selftell |
| 17:46.59 | Bashbin | thank you guys, I gonna read about that! |
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| 17:51.23 | druid | heya, i need some help...i'm installing debian, but it won't install the GRUB or LILO bootloader |
| 17:51.31 | druid | logs just say configure failed |
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| 17:53.59 | o2T7 | Hi. Do you know a good daemon for fetching mail from pop3 with digest-md5 authentication? |
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| 17:56.02 | dkr | fetchmail |
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| 17:57.34 | o2T7 | dkr: does fetchmail support digest-md5? |
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| 18:02.02 | fireba11 | hi, i need a quick pointer to a guide for remote (re-)install of debian |
| 18:02.18 | smokes | hold on... |
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| 18:03.16 | adb | !remote instal |
| 18:03.20 | adb | !remote install |
| 18:03.20 | dpkg | it has been said that remote install is Yes, Virginia, you can install Debian remotely via chroot, and some luck. See http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html, or outdated, ask me about <debootstrap>. |
| 18:03.47 | smokes | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual |
| 18:03.47 | fireba11 | ah |
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| 18:04.38 | karlpinc | fireba11 : Yeah, if you can get somebody to put a net install cd in and run expert mode then very early on you can turn on ssh and continue the install remotely. |
| 18:04.50 | cmyers_work | milckee: if you use nvidia, apt-get install nvidia-xconfig and run that tool |
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| 18:05.32 | smokes | fireball:that link what your looking for? |
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| 18:06.36 | fireba11 | smokes: not really. want to do a reinstall via ssh access only :-) so no boot media in the conventional sense. i know it's possible and am too lazy to put any optical drive in that box here, so i want to try for practice' sake |
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| 18:07.23 | Pupuser402-1 | i just install debian squeeze with ext4 i get this error /bin/sh can't access tty:job control turned off |
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| 18:08.03 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:09.08 | smokes | well..i gave it shot |
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| 18:09.34 | o2T7 | (repeat) Any good daemon for fetching mail from pop3 with digest-md5 authentication? |
| 18:10.22 | abrotman | o2T7: fetchmail doesn't have it? |
| 18:10.34 | _Kuba | dkr: Thanks :) |
| 18:10.58 | o2T7 | abrotman: I'm searching and only found cram-md5, not digest-md5 |
| 18:11.05 | _Kuba | dkr: almost that what i wanted |
| 18:11.13 | _Kuba | :d |
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| 18:11.20 | abrotman | o2T7: getmail ? |
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| 18:11.58 | o2T7 | abrotman: installing |
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| 18:14.11 | SerajewelKS | kvm doesn't seem to want to work on my box: FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.29.4-clayton-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported |
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| 18:14.33 | SerajewelKS | anyone know why this is? my cpu flags indicate svm: flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch |
| 18:15.38 | maligor | SerajewelKS, what cpu is it? |
| 18:16.16 | xingu | I'm guessing that "prescott new instructions" is a giveaway |
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| 18:16.26 | SerajewelKS | maligor: model name: AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 |
| 18:17.01 | xingu | oh, fair enough. |
| 18:17.28 | SerajewelKS | xingu: pardon? |
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| 18:18.30 | SerajewelKS | ah of course. VT is off in the BIOS settings. |
| 18:18.35 | xingu | SerajewelKS: just surprised it has cpuflags for pni, but there you go |
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| 18:18.37 | fireba11 | SerajewelKS: lol |
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| 18:18.39 | SerajewelKS | stupid defaults |
| 18:18.44 | ffbonanati | olá pessoal estou com um probleminha no squid alguem pode me ajudar? |
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| 18:18.55 | SerajewelKS | xingu: sorry i don't know what pni is :) |
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| 18:19.03 | xingu | prescott new instructions. :) |
| 18:19.17 | maligor | does that cpu support vm? |
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| 18:19.39 | SerajewelKS | maligor: yes, but the BIOS default configuration has it turned off |
| 18:19.52 | SerajewelKS | maligor: after i finish rebooting i'll let you know what happens |
| 18:20.05 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i figured that but i'm not sure how you turned "pni" into "no VT" |
| 18:20.39 | SerajewelKS | mmm and apparently my BIOS ran SMART tests on my drive and says it should be replaced |
| 18:20.41 | xingu | SerajewelKS: was thinking of it more from the kvm-amd != intel angle. :) |
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| 18:21.00 | SerajewelKS | xingu: ah didn't know that pni was an intel thing |
| 18:21.06 | xingu | SerajewelKS: never mind, brain still half asleep here |
| 18:21.20 | SerajewelKS | nothing like having your less-than-a-year-old laptop hard drive decide it needs to be replaced |
| 18:21.32 | SerajewelKS | that would also explain the bazillion fsck errors i got a week ago |
| 18:21.35 | xingu | ssd! |
| 18:21.44 | zinx | SerajewelKS: you must have gotten one of the ~15% that decided to fail before the warranty. |
| 18:21.45 | maligor | if you use gnome there's palimpsest that does shiny SMART stuffs |
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| 18:22.14 | SerajewelKS | maligor: i usually just use smartctl, but the tests completed in <100ms so i figured smartctl wasn't working right |
| 18:22.17 | zinx | SerajewelKS: the other 85% fail shortly after the warranty expires :P |
| 18:22.18 | alecs1 | hi, I did a blind aptitude full-upgrade (unstable) today and wine and static 32 bit skype no longer work because of not finding libraries; |
| 18:22.21 | maligor | it also detects ~15 0.0KB "disks" on my system for some reason |
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| 18:22.23 | MrWax | does anyone know if it's possible to check in debian which dirs there have been inside a certain dir a couple of weeks ago? |
| 18:22.24 | SerajewelKS | zinx: :( |
| 18:22.40 | xingu | SerajewelKS: really, it's just trying to talk you into buying that ssd you've been promising yourself; crisitunity |
| 18:22.45 | alecs1 | did anyone post a solution or I should do some manual fidling to get them back working? |
| 18:22.47 | dkr | MrWax: by looking at your backups |
| 18:22.58 | SerajewelKS | xingu: yeah because i love paying 100x+ the price per byte |
| 18:23.06 | maligor | zinx, you seem to have lots of faith in laptop harddrives :P |
| 18:23.07 | MrWax | dkr: apart from that? i don't think i have them, by default does debian back this up? |
| 18:23.20 | zinx | maligor: oh yeah, totally. a lot of faith in the industry in general. |
| 18:23.26 | maligor | heh |
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| 18:23.47 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i'm wondering what HP will want to replace it under warranty. either way i should probably dd onto my external 1TB drive before sending it in, then dd /dev/urandom over it just for good measure. |
| 18:23.55 | iluminator101 | i get this error on bootup /bin/shi cant access tty: joby control turned off?? |
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| 18:24.05 | SerajewelKS | who's joby? |
| 18:24.36 | SerajewelKS | MrWax: if you deleted something accidentally, then you either have backups or you are fucked |
| 18:25.07 | dkr | MrWax: no |
| 18:25.12 | iluminator101 | i get this error on bootup /bin/sh cant access tty: joby control turned off?? |
| 18:25.18 | zinx | SerajewelKS: or just dd /dev/zero, unless you really think they're going to pull out specialized hardware to read your broken drive :/ |
| 18:25.20 | iluminator101 | i get this error on bootup /bin/sh cant access tty: job control turned off?? |
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| 18:25.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx: /dev/urandom just seems like a more awesome thing to do :) |
| 18:26.02 | iluminator101 | i get this error on bootup /bin/sh cant access tty: job control turned off?? |
| 18:26.07 | zinx | SerajewelKS: ya.. it just takes longer :/ |
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| 18:26.23 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i'm going to be playing left4dead or some wii game while i do it anyway... |
| 18:26.40 | SerajewelKS | zinx: or doing laundry, or washing dishes, or taking out the trash... |
| 18:26.58 | SerajewelKS | or if i am lucky, having sex. who knows. but i'm not going to be staring at it while it erases my drive. :) |
| 18:27.07 | iluminator101 | i get this error on bootup /bin/sh cant access tty: job control turned off?? |
| 18:27.22 | SerajewelKS | iluminator101: we heard you the first time |
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| 18:27.48 | SerajewelKS | iluminator101: repeating your question is not going to get you more answers, it's going to make people mad at you |
| 18:28.35 | smokes | iluminator:stew and ajavid are out |
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| 18:28.53 | smokes | wb for what it's worth |
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| 18:29.14 | mooperd | dpkg has a snappy answer for 'whats my hardware' or similar, what is the right question? |
| 18:29.15 | dpkg | mooperd: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 18:29.55 | SerajewelKS | !what's my hardware |
| 18:29.55 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
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| 18:30.36 | mooperd | and also, I would like to be able to start a process (jetty) as soon as the machine has booted. I would like to be able to specify the user that runs the process. Is there a way to do this? |
| 18:30.45 | mooperd | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 18:30.49 | o2T7 | abrotman: getmail4 doesn't seem to support digest-md5 |
| 18:31.00 | abrotman | o2T7: just thought i'd see |
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| 18:32.49 | fireba11 | o2T7: do you really need digest-md5? |
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| 18:34.37 | o2T7 | fireba11: Yes, I do |
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| 18:34.49 | o2T7 | I used fetchmail for years |
| 18:35.12 | o2T7 | And was looking for a text based client for this account |
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| 18:37.05 | fireba11 | o2T7: just asking because i never saw a good reason for these auth methods .. just use SSL and be done with it :-) |
| 18:37.14 | Spec | so debian stable is now lenny? :) |
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| 18:37.27 | fireba11 | Spec: aye |
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| 18:38.40 | Spec | oh, since april...so this new release is just a point release on that |
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| 18:40.09 | djveer | hey guys, what' the best way to set up a SOHO server (maybe including F&P services, email etc). Is there packages that will help you with the Samba configuration & postfix/dovecot setup? |
| 18:40.26 | djveer | for my buddy's small business... only a couple employees |
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| 18:40.38 | aserrano | hello, after upgrading the grub2 package of Debian unstable the boot screen does not disappear after starting the boot process, has anybody experienced thi issue? |
| 18:40.50 | DebainDewd | Hey |
| 18:41.03 | DebainDewd | If I want to provided a mirror for debian, where would I submit one? |
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| 18:42.16 | Spec | DebainDewd: there's a debian mirrors page with information about that |
| 18:42.22 | Spec | afaik they only want high bandwidthed mirrors |
| 18:42.23 | DebainDewd | Okay |
| 18:42.24 | DebainDewd | thanks |
| 18:42.52 | DebainDewd | Spec: You mind linking it, i dont see it xD |
| 18:43.02 | abrotman | DebainDewd: debian.org/mirrors |
| 18:43.11 | DebainDewd | k |
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| 18:46.56 | meuserj | After upgrading my samba and print server to 5.0.2, one (and only one) printer stopped working when printed to through samba.. just prints PostScript source. |
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| 18:48.38 | ksnp | anyone install vpn on debian here ? |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | no errors? |
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| 18:48.46 | abrotman | ksnp: ask a better question |
| 18:49.04 | meuserj | abrotman: not that I can find |
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| 18:49.27 | ksnp | i mean has anyone installed vpn on debian ? |
| 18:49.32 | Spec | ksnp: no one. |
| 18:49.33 | Spec | ever. |
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| 18:49.44 | Spec | not one person in this channel of close to a thousand people. |
| 18:49.52 | ksnp | lol ok :) |
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| 18:50.23 | ksnp | i am trying to install vpn on debian and i understand the main option is openvpn. Can the server provide access to the LAN also that it is on ? Or does it provide access only to itself ? |
| 18:51.15 | fireba11 | ksnp: providing access to the lan is the whole point |
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| 18:51.49 | SparFux | LOL |
| 18:52.03 | zinx | ksnp: yes, it can, depeding on how you configure it - the openvpn site (openvpn.net) has documentation and howtos |
| 18:52.23 | SparFux | ksnp: You set up OpenVPN and get connection of the server to the client, you can bridge to the LAN, too, though. |
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| 18:53.22 | SparFux | ksnp: I'd like to try openvpn, never set one real vpn up. perhaps we can work togehter, I set up server, you set up client, and then you at least already have a working client and I can give you my server setup. |
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| 18:54.10 | dkr | is that what they call social engineering? |
| 18:54.16 | SparFux | ksnp: I've read you nickname in this channel a lot of times, haven't I? |
| 18:54.30 | SparFux | dkr: yes, that's the drawback of that. |
| 18:54.51 | SparFux | Yes, I might be a social engineering hacker! |
| 18:56.14 | s1kx | uhm |
| 18:56.20 | SparFux | dkr: on the other hand, you got my ipp anyways and I got his ip. So if not over clear-text internet, how would I be able to hack into his machine over a vpn which will be online for testing purposes onlyl anyways? |
| 18:56.23 | s1kx | how can it be that i have no visudo on my fresh debian lenny |
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| 18:56.40 | the-dude | openvpn is easy 2 set up |
| 18:56.42 | Spec | SparFux: you can run a mitm attack on the vpn server side |
| 18:56.43 | OpenTokix | s1kx: sudo isn't installed by default |
| 18:56.50 | OpenTokix | s1kx: apt-get install sudo |
| 18:56.51 | s1kx | seriously? oh wow |
| 18:56.55 | dkr | SparFux: "Can the server provide access to the LAN also that it is on ?" |
| 18:56.55 | s1kx | thanks then ahah |
| 18:57.12 | gr1mlock | hello |
| 18:57.23 | SparFux | Spec: what is mitm? |
| 18:57.30 | OpenTokix | s1kx: There is really no point in default install sudo. Since you have a root-user. |
| 18:57.32 | gr1mlock | is it possible to do a Netinstall from USB media?? |
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| 18:57.46 | OpenTokix | s1kx: only ubuntu and os x that is obsessed with sudo |
| 18:57.49 | SparFux | gr1: yes. I did that. |
| 18:58.14 | gr1mlock | how oO |
| 18:58.14 | gr1mlock | it's always asking for a cd-rom |
| 18:58.33 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 18:59.30 | SparFux | gr1: is you system capable of booting from usb stick? |
| 18:59.48 | gr1mlock | i'm already past this point |
| 18:59.57 | gr1mlock | it's booting correctly from usb |
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| 19:00.44 | SparFux | So you get the installation dialog? |
| 19:00.54 | gr1mlock | yah |
| 19:01.05 | SparFux | And it asks you for CDroms to put in? Strange. What image did you copy over to the usb stick? |
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| 19:01.50 | gr1mlock | i made a boot media from the "Debian-Netinstall.iso" with unetbootin |
| 19:02.19 | SparFux | the-dude: is it easy to set up openvpn in bridged mode with vpn name resolution for a dyndns server which chnages ip every 24h and a roadwarrior client? |
| 19:02.19 | gr1mlock | but when it comes to "loading installer components from CD" the installer ask for a cd-rom |
| 19:02.41 | SparFux | What do you do before it asks you for a CDrom? |
| 19:02.52 | SparFux | oh |
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| 19:03.22 | gr1mlock | I've set the language and the keyboad layout |
| 19:03.28 | Manager_Sebas | hi |
| 19:03.46 | SparFux | That's strange, it did not ask me for a cdrom. Although it put in some CD stuff in sources.list after installation. |
| 19:03.49 | Craigevil | gr1mlock: have you looked at the install doc > http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 19:04.01 | SparFux | gr1: What options do you have to answer to asking for cd? |
| 19:04.03 | gr1mlock | cough |
| 19:04.04 | gr1mlock | no |
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| 19:04.16 | zinx | SparFux: it's easy to do the first part. the latter parts have nothing to do with openvpn afaik... |
| 19:04.31 | SparFux | zinx: ok. that's true. |
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| 19:04.55 | zinx | SparFux: Debian has a dyndns client (well, more than one) |
| 19:04.59 | SparFux | Anyway, everything is easy once you know how to do it :-) |
| 19:05.02 | gr1mlock | thought it would work the way I've done a usb install with other distris |
| 19:05.12 | zinx | admittedly has no f'n clue what 'roadwarrior' is |
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| 19:05.33 | SparFux | zinx: I use ddclient. But the point is, the roadwarrior has to notice the ip has changed, or be noticed, and connection has to be re-established. |
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| 19:05.43 | zinx | SparFux: there are HOWTOs with example configs for openvpn |
| 19:06.18 | gr1mlock | but okay I'll have a look at the doc you posted, Craigevil |
| 19:06.52 | SparFux | zinx: I know. Well it might be easy, but I have never done so and I'd like to try it. But I know only one guy who would do that perhaps with me and he will go on holiday and we have planned it for years now. And having a vpn from workroom to bedroom for myself is pointless, I think. ;-) |
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| 19:07.55 | SparFux | gr1: have you also copied a CDimage to the usb stick? |
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| 19:08.44 | SparFux | well, you should. Otherwise what has given you the installer right away? :-) |
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| 19:09.52 | ryanCH | i am trying to install Dekorator from a deb package but i get an error that says " error: Can't install kwin-style-dekorator_0.3-1: no package provides kwin >= 4:3.5.3-1" |
| 19:09.59 | ryanCH | what is that? |
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| 19:11.23 | xxtjaxx | slaps ZeYNa around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 19:11.34 | gr1mlock | SparFux, I guess I did it all wrong, I didn't follow the guide on debian.org |
| 19:11.39 | xxtjaxx | hey all which kind of pacakges is safer to use experimental or testing? |
| 19:11.43 | the-dude | SparFux: I think a scenario is documented that way :) |
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| 19:11.53 | SparFux | gr1: yes, something went wrong with the cdimage I guess. |
| 19:12.03 | SparFux | xxtjaxx: testing. |
| 19:12.09 | gr1mlock | nah I guess Unetbootin is the Problem |
| 19:12.33 | Sark23 | hello, the memtest86 is this 32bit or 64bit on 64bit system? |
| 19:12.38 | SparFux | the-dude: right. it's quite common I guess :-) |
| 19:13.21 | maligor | Sark23, err? what? |
| 19:13.23 | SparFux | the-dude; well, that's why I am quite relaxed, I'd like to try it, but only if a real connection over internet is going thru that vpn. Otherwise I think it's pointless to just set up two machines at home to have a vpn over the internet just for testing setting up vpn. ;-) |
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| 19:14.01 | maligor | I believe memtest86 is a 32bit program, but afaik it can use PAE (or PSE36) |
| 19:14.13 | OpenTokix | maligor: yes it can |
| 19:14.50 | the-dude | SparFux: its possbible :) |
| 19:15.18 | xxtjaxx | so change main to testingin soturces list or just append the maguic word t the url? |
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| 19:21.16 | SQlvpapir | hmm i can only pull 8mb/s over ssh from my singel core atom board :( |
| 19:22.01 | abrotman | MB or Mb ? |
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| 19:23.06 | debuz | ZeYNa is sending spam in private when we join the channel... |
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| 19:24.16 | abrotman | debuz: thank you |
| 19:24.16 | debuz | =O |
| 19:24.16 | debuz | thx |
| 19:24.20 | debuz | np abrotman |
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| 19:25.24 | xxtjaxx | so change main to testingin soturces list or just append the maguic word t the url? |
| 19:25.51 | abrotman | xxtjaxx: that's not english |
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| 19:26.05 | debuz | lol =D |
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| 19:28.18 | debuz | Does anyone know how to host a vnc/rdp-like connection behind a firewall you can't touch? |
| 19:28.18 | lcuk_away | xxtjaxx, this is IRC not WoW |
| 19:29.24 | abrotman | debuz: something like gotomypc ? |
| 19:29.28 | abrotman | ssh -R perhaps |
| 19:29.33 | Spec | debuz: use ssh tunnels |
| 19:29.36 | debuz | abrotman: yeah... like teamviewer or something |
| 19:29.37 | lcuk_away | debuz, if there are no routes in, you have to push a connection open from within |
| 19:29.46 | debuz | but the other user is in windows |
| 19:30.05 | avu | debuz, VNC can open the connection from the server to the client also |
| 19:30.16 | avu | at least recent versions can |
| 19:30.17 | SQlvpapir | abrotman: MB |
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| 19:30.29 | debuz | avu: interesting... gonna check how to do that |
| 19:30.30 | lcuk_away | we set clients onto the internet with vnc clients in listening mode. the customer installs vnc server and starts an outbound connection |
| 19:30.35 | SQlvpapir | abrotman: do you have figures from such board? |
| 19:30.59 | debuz | very nice, I'll try that |
| 19:31.00 | debuz | thank you |
| 19:31.13 | gr1mlock | hahhaa niceee usb boot works |
| 19:31.32 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: i'm just thinking that it is probably a 10/100 *Mb* and you're getting 8MB .. which is 64Mb |
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| 19:32.41 | twoface_ | I am running unstable, and i have no sound. When i try to play a movie or a song, the sound comes out of my graphics card (!) as noise - but you can hear the music very low in it. Has anybody ever experienced anything like this? |
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| 19:33.26 | cahoot | twoface_: cat /proc/asound/cards - what corresponds to card0? |
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| 19:33.52 | twoface_ | PC-speaker |
| 19:34.08 | Hellscream | debian u there? |
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| 19:34.43 | cahoot | twoface_: what corresponds to your 'real' sound card? |
| 19:34.52 | kai4711 | hi guys... i have some problems with apt-get update wich errors something like unveryfied signatures: http://pastebin.com/d1826c678 |
| 19:35.06 | abrotman | kai4711: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:35.13 | twoface_ | cahoot: card1 -> HDA Intel |
| 19:35.44 | kai4711 | @abrotman: how can i do that? apt-get install doesnt work.. |
| 19:35.52 | abrotman | yes it does .. it just warns you |
| 19:36.04 | kai4711 | ahh okay |
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| 19:36.06 | kai4711 | i see |
| 19:36.07 | kai4711 | thanks! |
| 19:36.17 | kai4711 | and it works |
| 19:36.18 | kai4711 | great |
| 19:36.20 | kai4711 | thanks! |
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| 19:36.29 | cahoot | twoface_: I'd suggest editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and set: Options snd-hda-intel index=0, then alsa restart |
| 19:37.10 | cahoot | twoface_: else blacklist snd-pcsp and/or pcspkr |
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| 19:37.49 | twoface_ | heh - alsa wasn't even installed |
| 19:38.15 | cahoot | huh? how come /proc/asound/axisted then |
| 19:38.37 | twoface_ | i have no idea - but now it works |
| 19:38.41 | twoface_ | thanks a bunch! |
| 19:38.59 | twoface_ | perhaps udev takes care of it? |
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| 19:40.44 | Fedor | Hi |
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| 19:42.05 | Hellscream | me want debian! me want me want! will debian give? |
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| 19:42.47 | abrotman | !d-i Hellscream |
| 19:42.47 | dpkg | Hellscream, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:44.30 | Hellscream | me want legal debian, not pirated version. me mom says it ilegal |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | Hellscream: please go somewhere else to troll |
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| 19:45.24 | Hellscream | me not download pirate software fom intanet |
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| 19:45.51 | Hellscream | im kidding guys |
| 19:46.14 | Hellscream | Debian = greatest linux distro eva |
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| 19:46.47 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i install everything from dvd2 on to my dvd1 base install? |
| 19:47.17 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: ... add it to your sources.list |
| 19:47.25 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i do that? |
| 19:47.39 | adb | apt-cdrom add ? |
| 19:47.58 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list, copy the dvd1 line |
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| 19:49.05 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, then what? |
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| 19:49.13 | Hellscream | guys tell me, i got the netinst. but is the whole debian repostry on the 5 dvds? |
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| 19:49.49 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: apt-cdrom add, apt-get update, apt-get install foo |
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| 19:50.04 | jkx_ | Hi guys |
| 19:50.07 | MusicalGenius2 | in terminal right? |
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| 19:50.13 | bike^ | yep |
| 19:50.32 | jkx_ | I just finish to build the raid array, but now hald segfaut |
| 19:50.37 | MusicalGenius2 | was the yep to me? |
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| 19:50.44 | jkx_ | this bug exist in ubuntu too |
| 19:50.45 | bike^ | yep |
| 19:50.47 | MusicalGenius2 | k |
| 19:50.58 | abrotman | !enter |
| 19:50.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:51.04 | jkx_ | somebody has a idea ? |
| 19:51.22 | gparent | Hey, what's a good tool to find hard disk/partition information (partitions listing, size of each one, current size usage) from command line? |
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| 19:51.35 | abrotman | sfdisk ? fdisk? cfdisk? |
| 19:51.38 | MusicalGenius2 | if i use apt-cdrom add will that install everything from the cd? |
| 19:51.45 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: no |
| 19:51.50 | gparent | I'll try that |
| 19:51.54 | MusicalGenius2 | thats what i want to do |
| 19:51.58 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: why? |
| 19:52.05 | enouf | if you comment out all other lines MusicalGenius2 |
| 19:52.22 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: i doubt you want to install everything on the CD |
| 19:52.24 | MusicalGenius2 | i dont get debian... if i wanna edit a file it says i cant |
| 19:52.26 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: you probably can't install everything... |
| 19:52.34 | MusicalGenius2 | why cant i install everything? |
| 19:52.37 | nkuttler | !tell MusicalGenius2 about errors |
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| 19:52.46 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: conflicting dependencies |
| 19:52.46 | Hellscream | any booty in here? |
| 19:52.47 | enouf | MusicalGenius2: actually, iirc, the Installer uses something like file://cdrom ... |
| 19:52.55 | nkuttler | can we quiet him? |
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| 19:53.14 | Jacob_H | Hi everyone. I'm trying to install debian on a dell mini 10v and had a problem during the install with it failing to connect to the network (wired via ethernet). I now have a minimal install and am trying to bring up the connection (via dhcp) but can't work out what are the relevent commands. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please? |
| 19:53.17 | MusicalGenius2 | so your saying a stable distro isnt actually stable at all? |
| 19:53.30 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: no. you're trying to do something stupid |
| 19:53.45 | o2T7 | Jacob_H: `man interfaces` `man ifconfig` |
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| 19:54.34 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, so why is that stupid? |
| 19:54.34 | nkuttler | Jacob_H: or run dhclient and read the man pages later |
| 19:54.44 | ultraj61 | how many gigs is the debian distrobution? |
| 19:54.47 | ultraj61 | like 16? |
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| 19:54.56 | ultraj61 | between 8 and 32 |
| 19:55.00 | enouf | gparent: current size usage? df -hT will print out usage/free space info of mounted partitions - try /msg dpkg walot |
| 19:55.02 | adb | ~ 50 mb |
| 19:55.03 | Jacob_H | nkuttler: thanks :) |
| 19:55.09 | ultraj61 | so yeah |
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| 19:55.14 | ultraj61 | you want to install 50 gigs of software |
| 19:55.16 | ultraj61 | why? |
| 19:55.18 | gparent | Thanks |
| 19:55.24 | ultraj61 | *32 |
| 19:55.25 | Jacob_H | o2T7: Unfortunately, I'm not quite at the understanding the man page level yet |
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| 19:55.37 | gparent | ah thats exactly what I needed |
| 19:56.01 | MusicalGenius2 | because if i have everything and still almost nothing works, then this distro is not stable |
| 19:56.01 | iluminator101 | For ext4 to work do you need kernel 2.6.3 ? |
| 19:56.15 | gparent | no I think .30 just includes some stability patches |
| 19:56.17 | ultraj61 | oh you are trying to qualify something that you don't know how to use |
| 19:56.21 | gparent | Could be wrong tho |
| 19:56.24 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: pastebin your errors |
| 19:56.24 | ultraj61 | that makes sense |
| 19:56.25 | ultraj61 | ... |
| 19:56.31 | MusicalGenius2 | no im trying to make my computer useful |
| 19:56.37 | gparent | "On Oct 11, 2008, the patches that mark ext4 as stable code were merged in the Linux 2.6.28 source code repositories," |
| 19:56.38 | MusicalGenius2 | at the moment its not useful |
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| 19:56.44 | ultraj61 | its a tool |
| 19:56.45 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: atm you are trolling |
| 19:56.47 | MusicalGenius2 | thats what an operating system does right? |
| 19:56.48 | gparent | So .28 for the kernel |
| 19:56.53 | MusicalGenius2 | how am i trolling? |
| 19:56.54 | ultraj61 | you only can use the tool as well as you can use the tool |
| 19:56.58 | MusicalGenius2 | im asking questions |
| 19:56.58 | ultraj61 | you aren't trolling |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
| 19:57.07 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: ask better questions |
| 19:57.10 | ultraj61 | you are just annoying us with your lame question |
| 19:57.24 | MusicalGenius2 | give me a decent answer and i wouldnt have so many questions lol |
| 19:57.25 | iluminator101 | i installed squeeze on ext4 but its not booting with 2.6.26-2 |
| 19:57.28 | o2T7 | Jacob_H: `man interfaces` is quite easy to understand. And `man ifup` too. |
| 19:57.37 | enouf | iluminator101: lenny kernel has ext4dev for mounting ro |
| 19:57.39 | ultraj61 | you can't isntall everything at the same time |
| 19:57.42 | nkuttler | iluminator101: afaik grub doesn't to ext4 |
| 19:57.54 | nkuttler | s/to/do/ |
| 19:58.01 | ultraj61 | they are tools |
| 19:58.02 | MusicalGenius2 | if you asked me a question about music, id give you a detailled and well explained answer and if i couldnt answer it i could tell you where you could find the answer, besides just... ummm google. |
| 19:58.02 | enouf | iluminator101: /msg dpkg ext4 |
| 19:58.11 | o2T7 | Jacob_H: also, you can try to automagically configure it via dhclient, as nkuttler said |
| 19:58.15 | ultraj61 | i dont' need to ask you any music questions |
| 19:58.15 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: you're off topic |
| 19:58.32 | ultraj61 | debian is a tool, the same as the computer |
| 19:58.44 | iluminator101 | nkuttler: i am not following you. so you are saying that i need grub2 to boot on to ext4 |
| 19:58.46 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, i guess i need to use "computer" terms. what is the function of debian? |
| 19:58.48 | enouf | nkuttler: try /ig .. sometimes it's best ;-) |
| 19:58.49 | ultraj61 | you can only use the tool up to your skill level |
| 19:59.02 | ultraj61 | you clearly do not have enough skill to wield the tool properly |
| 19:59.03 | nkuttler | enouf: you know, technical solutions to social problems etc |
| 19:59.03 | Jacob_H | Hmm...I think DHCP is trying to use the wrong IP Subnet Mask. It fails having run DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 whilst my router tells me that the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0. How might I change the subnet mask with dhclient? |
| 19:59.17 | enouf | heh |
| 19:59.22 | MusicalGenius2 | so far you guys fall in the intellectual but lacking all common sense and social skills area |
| 19:59.26 | ultraj61 | and clearly do not enjoy the intricate problems you get to solve in the linux hell |
| 19:59.33 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:59.37 | MusicalGenius2 | yes |
| 19:59.42 | MusicalGenius2 | ive asked it multiple times |
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| 19:59.55 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: you can't install everything. answered multiple times |
| 19:59.57 | ryanCH | help! |
| 20:00.12 | ultraj61 | stable doesn't mean 100% either |
| 20:00.16 | ryanCH | i installed DeKorator on kde 4.2 and the Window config option in the appearance dialog is now gone ... what is wrong? |
| 20:00.23 | ultraj61 | its just closer to 100% than unstable |
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| 20:00.25 | iluminator101 | nkuttler* permission to pm |
| 20:00.30 | MusicalGenius2 | why does my internet not work, i have two different wireless cards. an atheros generic card, and a intersil javelin/xbow card |
| 20:00.38 | Jacob_H | o2T7: yes, that's a fair enough point, and I don't really know enough about networking. I tend only to use it when setting up a new machine and then forget about it! |
| 20:00.45 | ultraj61 | because you aren't doing it right |
| 20:00.49 | MusicalGenius2 | thats a detailed question deserving of a detailed answer leading to a conclusion |
| 20:00.51 | enouf | Jacob_H: man dhclient? see /etc/dhclient.conf? |
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| 20:01.05 | MusicalGenius2 | (4:00:48 PM) ultraj61: because you aren't doing it right <---- lacking any social or common sense |
| 20:01.15 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: did you install ath5k or madwifi ? |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: if someone is annoying you, ignore them, do not attack them |
| 20:01.29 | ultraj61 | the question lacks the amount of detail required to resolve the issue, describe your network to us |
| 20:01.33 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: my intersil needs firmware to work |
| 20:01.35 | iluminator101 | So if i upgrade my kernel and put grub2 it will boot to ext4 |
| 20:01.36 | o2T7 | Jacob_H: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 20:01.37 | MusicalGenius2 | i asked before about ndiswrapper and got why would you want ndiswrapper |
| 20:01.47 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: you very likely don't need ndiswrapper |
| 20:01.49 | nkuttler | iluminator101: afaik, no |
| 20:01.52 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, whats firmware? |
| 20:02.04 | enouf | iluminator101: i would seriously 1st study how grub2 differs _prior_ |
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| 20:02.10 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: i told you hours ago to check the prism54 site if your card is supported |
| 20:02.21 | ultraj61 | you can only use the tool up to your skill level |
| 20:02.24 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: the firmware can be downloaded from their site |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | why? use the ath5k ? |
| 20:02.26 | abrotman | madwifi? |
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| 20:02.38 | abrotman | ultraj61: stop, leave him alone |
| 20:02.38 | iluminator101 | nkuttler: so whats the best way install ext4 on debian squeeze then |
| 20:03.00 | nkuttler | iluminator101: boot from floppy? |
| 20:03.09 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: can you tell us which atheros device you have? |
| 20:03.09 | enouf | iluminator101: try grub.enbug.org see it's wiki - grub2 is modular, Debian calls their grub2 pkgs grub-pc, grub-efi, grub-* amongst others, like -common , IINM |
| 20:03.12 | MusicalGenius2 | abrotman, how do i obtain, install, and otherwize use madwifi and ath5k to my advantage? |
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| 20:03.24 | MusicalGenius2 | airnet awn108 |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: can you copy/paste from X? |
| 20:03.42 | MusicalGenius2 | my computer has no internet whatsoever at the momment |
| 20:03.47 | iluminator101 | i dont have a floppy |
| 20:03.52 | MusicalGenius2 | im on a windows desktop |
| 20:04.15 | nkuttler | iluminator101: make an ext3 /boot/ partition? |
| 20:04.18 | enouf | iluminator101: anything over version 1.x is grub2, 0.xx is grub1 (grub-legacy) IINM |
| 20:04.20 | MusicalGenius2 | my laptop is running debian to almost no degree of useability beyond abiword and clicking |
| 20:04.23 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: if you do an `lspci -k` .. what is the kernel module listed with your wifi devices ? |
| 20:04.42 | enouf | MusicalGenius2: use msinfo32 |
| 20:04.49 | enouf | to show us the PCIID |
| 20:05.14 | iluminator101 | What if i install as ext3 and then covert is that possible? |
| 20:05.15 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, the atheros still giving you less hair? |
| 20:05.22 | MusicalGenius2 | it says ath5k_pci |
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| 20:05.32 | enouf | iluminator101: a mess, waiting to be a nightmare ;-) |
| 20:05.35 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: sounds like it's already working .. just needs to be configured |
| 20:05.41 | nkuttler | iluminator101: ext3->ext4 isn't really possible anyway |
| 20:05.50 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: if you type `dmesg | grep ath5k` .. does anything spit out ? |
| 20:05.54 | bike^ | huh what? the conversion is supposed to be easy? |
| 20:05.59 | bike^ | nkuttler, |
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| 20:06.00 | MusicalGenius2 | ive never used debian before, so yeah, i hated ubuntu because of this, and puppy linux runs the atheros card with no problems |
| 20:06.00 | elux | hey guys |
| 20:06.02 | nkuttler | bike^: not if you want all features |
| 20:06.05 | enouf | the other way is not possible |
| 20:06.06 | bike^ | oh |
| 20:06.22 | enouf | bike^: it'll only apply newer features to new files |
| 20:06.34 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, what does iwlist scan do? |
| 20:06.39 | elux | i want to delete/purge apache2, however i also want to make sure any dependencies that were installed with it (that i no longer need) are also removed.. how can i do that? |
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| 20:06.47 | MusicalGenius2 | it does spit some stuff out |
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| 20:07.02 | MusicalGenius2 | are you looking for Atheros AR2414? |
| 20:07.05 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: ifconfig -a .. how many devices do you see? and what are they? |
| 20:07.12 | enouf | elux: aptitude and apt should both handle that properly |
| 20:07.13 | nkuttler | elux: apt-get autoremove should take care of that |
| 20:07.23 | bike^ | enouf, aha i see, when will debian come with the ext4 option then? i'be used the testing/nightly built cd for ages and its not there even |
| 20:07.24 | MusicalGenius2 | thats most likely going to give me wlan0 and eth0 |
| 20:07.24 | nkuttler | elux: or look into debfoster |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: so just configure wlan0 |
| 20:07.38 | MusicalGenius2 | how? |
| 20:07.44 | MusicalGenius2 | thats the root of the problem |
| 20:07.50 | MusicalGenius2 | i dont know how to do that |
| 20:07.54 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: what kind of security does your WAP have ? |
| 20:07.54 | Jacob_H | o2T7, enouf: thanks. |
| 20:07.58 | enouf | bike^: i can't say :-/ follow the #debian-boot mailing list? |
| 20:08.02 | bike^ | you can edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:08.11 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, |
| 20:08.14 | MusicalGenius2 | a 25 key alpha numeric wep i believe |
| 20:08.23 | bike^ | but i cant remember the syntaxes for the key |
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| 20:08.42 | nkuttler | man iwconfig |
| 20:09.12 | elux | argh.. |
| 20:09.20 | elux | is there a way to remove all packages that are marked "rc" ? |
| 20:09.27 | elux | and removed any of their respective fiels .. |
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| 20:10.14 | MusicalGenius2 | so now what do i do? |
| 20:10.15 | elux | # dpkg -l | grep -i apache2.2-common |
| 20:10.15 | elux | rc apache2.2-common |
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| 20:10.25 | elux | # apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common ... tells me its not installed |
| 20:10.27 | elux | so annoying |
| 20:10.34 | enouf | dpkg -P |
| 20:10.34 | dpkg | destroys any trace of enouf's existence |
| 20:10.36 | nkuttler | doesn't this network-manager gui thing handle wep ? |
| 20:10.45 | abrotman | if he has it installed |
| 20:10.54 | enouf | elux: and learn how to do it correctly in the 1st place |
| 20:10.56 | MusicalGenius2 | wheres that located? |
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| 20:11.15 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: install network-manager-gnome ? |
| 20:11.15 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, man iwconfig then edit /etc/network/interfaces there after, then do sh /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:11.16 | elux | enouf: apt-get --purge remove PKG |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: did you get a GUI installed? Gnome probably has a thing to help you config the wifi |
| 20:11.17 | elux | no? |
| 20:11.20 | enouf | elux: rc == removed, config files remain (you didn't --purge originally) |
| 20:11.26 | abrotman | elux: dpkg -P apache2.2-common |
| 20:11.29 | MusicalGenius2 | yes i do |
| 20:11.38 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: so look through some of the system settings |
| 20:11.54 | nkuttler | setting up wlan with interfaces (5) really isn't obvious |
| 20:11.54 | MusicalGenius2 | it shows the wireless connection option under connections |
| 20:12.04 | MusicalGenius2 | and it says this network interface is not connected |
| 20:12.09 | abrotman | because it's not configured |
| 20:12.21 | MusicalGenius2 | so how do i go about configuring it? |
| 20:12.27 | abrotman | should be a button to configure it somewhere .. or you can add all the lines manually to your interfaces file |
| 20:12.31 | MusicalGenius2 | isnt there a scan for networks feature? |
| 20:12.54 | MusicalGenius2 | it says properties, but thats about it |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | if you click the configure button perhaps |
| 20:12.57 | abrotman | so try it |
| 20:13.08 | Spec | so you need write access to a folder to delete a file within the folder, even if you have rwx on the file? |
| 20:13.17 | MusicalGenius2 | theres a box to enable it, which ive tried before |
| 20:13.49 | MusicalGenius2 | and it wants me to fill out my essid and password type and password and configuration and stuff |
| 20:13.49 | bike^ | Spec, either being the owner or in the group with the right permissions, else you can set global permissons which is unsafe |
| 20:13.51 | MusicalGenius2 | ip subnet and gateway |
| 20:13.51 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: so do that |
| 20:13.53 | bike^ | so chown or chgrp |
| 20:14.04 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: doesn't it offer dhcp? |
| 20:14.10 | MusicalGenius2 | i dont know what essid means, or password type, or configuration and stuff |
| 20:14.16 | Spec | bike^: well, i was just trying to move a newer copy of the file to the file...i can just use cat though |
| 20:14.20 | bike^ | essid is the network name |
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| 20:14.28 | abrotman | ESSID is your AP name .. like "Linksys" or whatever you've decided to call it |
| 20:14.30 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i find that on my windows machine? |
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| 20:14.55 | MusicalGenius2 | is it the connected to network "BLANKFIELD" |
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| 20:15.02 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: iwlist scanning should list the networks |
| 20:15.11 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i do that? |
| 20:15.13 | debuz | what could be blocking a sip session besides iptables? |
| 20:15.15 | bike^ | if you have the wireless-tools installed |
| 20:15.20 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: you type it in a terminal |
| 20:15.27 | MusicalGenius2 | just iwlist? |
| 20:15.31 | bike^ | iwlist scan |
| 20:15.34 | bike^ | ye |
| 20:15.48 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i get out of the man pages? |
| 20:15.53 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: q |
| 20:15.58 | bike^ | ctrl+c ? |
| 20:16.01 | bike^ | ah q |
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| 20:16.09 | debuz | no one? =D |
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| 20:16.23 | MusicalGenius2 | when i type iwlist it says bash command not found |
| 20:16.31 | bike^ | debuz, remove sip from the kernel^^ |
| 20:16.37 | MusicalGenius2 | prolly cuz im not root, but i dont know how to do that |
| 20:16.40 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, you might need to be root |
| 20:16.41 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 20:16.59 | MusicalGenius2 | that apt-get will work so well with no internet connection right? |
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| 20:17.05 | bike^ | yes |
| 20:17.06 | debuz | bike^: hmm why is that? |
| 20:17.07 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: don't you have a cable? |
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| 20:17.21 | bike^ | debuz, it was just a suggestion =) |
| 20:17.21 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: or cds.. |
| 20:17.23 | debuz | I want to use a softphone, but they never register |
| 20:17.26 | MusicalGenius2 | i live at home and my parents have locks on all the rooms cuz my sister is a clepto |
| 20:17.37 | MusicalGenius2 | so i cant get close to the router cuz thats in my dads office |
| 20:17.41 | nkuttler | hehe. sol. |
| 20:17.58 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i become root in a terminal? |
| 20:18.04 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: su |
| 20:18.07 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, steal her stuff and see how she feels =) |
| 20:18.29 | MusicalGenius2 | she's never home |
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| 20:18.39 | MusicalGenius2 | she comes home randomly steals stuff cuz she has no money then runs like hell |
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| 20:18.52 | bike^ | doh.. |
| 20:18.58 | nkuttler | would change the main door locks |
| 20:19.06 | MusicalGenius2 | she owes me money and never pays me back so ive been ignoring her and refusing to take on her problems |
| 20:19.08 | MusicalGenius2 | anyways |
| 20:19.10 | bike^ | have her sleep in a tent outside =) |
| 20:19.12 | debuz | would change the dogs =D |
| 20:19.28 | MusicalGenius2 | wlan0 = interface doesnt support scanning: network is down |
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| 20:19.34 | bike^ | driver is ucked |
| 20:19.40 | bike^ | go for ndiswrapper already! |
| 20:19.44 | MusicalGenius2 | she's never home, she stays at her boyfriends house |
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| 20:19.58 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: knock it off |
| 20:20.08 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: well... what happens when you "modprobe prism54"? |
| 20:20.10 | bike^ | starenka, starenka, that sounds familiar, debian-68k? |
| 20:20.11 | MusicalGenius2 | according to nkuttler why would i download ndiswrapper? |
| 20:20.23 | abrotman | !offtopic |
| 20:20.23 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:20.41 | starenka | bike^: what? :) |
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| 20:20.59 | bike^ | nvm =) |
| 20:21.01 | MusicalGenius2 | do i have to put the prism card in to do the modprobe? |
| 20:21.11 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: sounds like a plan |
| 20:21.21 | debuz | Hey guys.. I want to use a sip softphone, but it's not registering and the package is not getting to the registrar. What could be blocking the packets on my station besides IPTABLES? |
| 20:21.25 | MusicalGenius2 | the prism one says 2wire on it, its like a nonexistant model that my mom bought |
| 20:21.26 | SQlvpapir | abrotman: wow, almost reaching practical gigabit speeds with the atom using good 'ol ftp :-) |
| 20:21.33 | SQlvpapir | load is very high though |
| 20:21.39 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: then your scp encryption is killing it |
| 20:21.57 | MusicalGenius2 | says fatal module prism54 not found |
| 20:22.09 | nkuttler | oh right, crappy debian kernels |
| 20:22.17 | iluminator101 | how big should / be if i had a separate /boot? |
| 20:22.23 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: try the ndiswrapper then.. |
| 20:22.26 | abrotman | iluminator101: depends on what other partitions you have |
| 20:22.35 | MusicalGenius2 | and i get that and the dependancies where? |
| 20:22.47 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: doesn't this machine have a wired NIC? |
| 20:22.47 | SQlvpapir | iluminator101: what you need and then a bit extra ;-) |
| 20:22.58 | MusicalGenius2 | is there a way to find out if its on either of the dvd's ive downloaded? |
| 20:22.59 | nkuttler | doesn't know anything about ndiswrapper |
| 20:23.00 | enouf | ok - so, onto my printer challenge - i've run dpkg-reconfigure cups, chose sane settings (only 2 screenfulls of ncurses questions appeared this time, instead of the many when i initially installed CUPS awhile back) - so, i go into IW, try Print Setup (fine), Try Print Preview (also fine), then Print, and all i see are 3 tabs, the Print button is greyed out, and only choice is 'print to file' |
| 20:23.06 | MusicalGenius2 | as in RJ45 connection? |
| 20:23.09 | abrotman | yers |
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| 20:23.14 | tmetro | Looking for suggestions on an odd problem...after rebooting a long-tine working system, dnsmasq answers DNS queries for about 5 minutes, and then stops until the next reboot. Restarting dnsmasq doesn't help. And it still responds to DHCP. Any suggestions? The reboot did switch to a new kernel, so I rebooted to the older kernel, but still the same issue. |
| 20:23.19 | enouf | no DE involved, though i can't be sure there aren't stray leftovers |
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| 20:23.23 | abrotman | zink: is that your last name? |
| 20:23.23 | iluminator101 | well / then /boot and /home |
| 20:23.34 | MusicalGenius2 | that goes back to the offtopic part where i cant physically connect to the router since its behind locked doors |
| 20:23.43 | debuz | Hey guys.. I want to use a sip softphone, but it's not registering and the package is not getting to the registrar. What could be blocking the packets on my station besides IPTABLES? |
| 20:23.44 | enouf | it's an HP Deskjet 6540, USB connected |
| 20:23.49 | bike^ | enouf, i discovered some weird gui that did the trick, very helpful with finding drivers |
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| 20:23.57 | bike^ | but then it either killed the printer or the printer died |
| 20:23.57 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: wait until your dad comes home, come back |
| 20:24.14 | bike^ | think it might be in gnome even |
| 20:24.29 | MusicalGenius2 | if thats the "debian" answer, make sure you can physically connect to a router, then thats sad |
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| 20:24.35 | bike^ | or set up your windows box as a bridge? |
| 20:24.38 | enouf | bike^: yeah, i didn't care so much if the l;ast printer died, this one needs to perform ;-) |
| 20:24.38 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, |
| 20:24.40 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: your wifi card seems to be working |
| 20:24.51 | nkuttler | oh, it is? |
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| 20:24.54 | bike^ | not when its not supporting scanning |
| 20:24.54 | enouf | bike^: no wondows, no samba ... |
| 20:24.56 | nvz | out of curiosity, what IS the default perms on /dev/null? |
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| 20:25.03 | SQlvpapir | MusicalGenius2: if your dad has to lock your router away psychically, then thats sad |
| 20:25.08 | bike^ | that means the driver is sodded |
| 20:25.11 | abrotman | wireless-essid and wireless-key in your /etc/networking/interfaces should be enough along with normal auto wlan0 and iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 20:25.27 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: you can't spell physically .. that's sad :) |
| 20:25.29 | enouf | gives up - no idea whom's talking to whom |
| 20:25.30 | bike^ | enouf, doh, i meant to MusicalGenius2 , set your windwos box up to bridge the network , |
| 20:25.37 | enouf | :-p |
| 20:25.41 | debuz | enouf: =D |
| 20:25.45 | MusicalGenius2 | we went over this, its not cuz of me, i own everything i have except my house and im honest and i dont steal, so im not the problem |
| 20:25.46 | commander_ | i installed virtualbox OSE NOW HOW CAN I GET DEBIAN 5.0? |
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| 20:25.51 | debuz | enouf: if you are in the mood to, pls give me a quick help =D |
| 20:25.57 | SQlvpapir | abrotman: I rely on the auto spell checking thingy :p |
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| 20:26.07 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i bridge the network? |
| 20:26.15 | abrotman | or ignore what i said ... |
| 20:26.24 | nvz | commander_: I have no idea what the hell a virtualbox OSE is, but debian is acquired from debian.org |
| 20:26.24 | enouf | debuz: how could anyone help without knowing the issue? |
| 20:26.30 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, do you have a switch or something? or a crossed network cable? |
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| 20:26.34 | hobbs | The linux-image-*-xen packages say "oldstyle xen support" in the shortdesc. Okay, what's not-old style? :) |
| 20:26.35 | SQlvpapir | MusicalGenius2: ipmasq |
| 20:26.40 | debuz | enouf: I posted it here before... ;) |
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| 20:26.47 | debuz | enouf: "Hey guys.. I want to use a sip softphone, but it's not registering and the package is not getting to the registrar. What could be blocking the packets on my station besides IPTABLES?" |
| 20:26.50 | abrotman | wireless-essid and wireless-key in your /etc/networking/interfaces should be enough along with normal auto wlan0 and iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 20:27.00 | MusicalGenius2 | yeah i saw that, but i dont know what any of that means |
| 20:27.03 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, just right click in windows xp =) |
| 20:27.10 | enouf | debuz: i have no idea how to help with that .. sorry |
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| 20:27.17 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: then ask what it means .. |
| 20:27.20 | debuz | wips =( |
| 20:27.20 | dustybin | jeeze, i just did a aptitude update, and a shed load of stuff needs updating? |
| 20:27.21 | MusicalGenius2 | and when i try to modify files, it says i dont have the propper permissions |
| 20:27.28 | abrotman | are you root? |
| 20:27.34 | bike^ | you need to be root to edit system files |
| 20:27.37 | MusicalGenius2 | no cuz apparently i cant log in as root either |
| 20:27.44 | enouf | debuz: you could try also in ##linux and even ##networking .. and telephony related channels? |
| 20:27.46 | abrotman | well, then you've done something wrong |
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| 20:27.56 | debuz | enouf: true, thanks =) |
| 20:28.03 | abrotman | it worked for you yestrday |
| 20:28.09 | nvz | anyone? /exec -o ls -l /dev/null |
| 20:28.10 | MusicalGenius2 | if i click on the switch users thing, and use user name "root" and my password, it doesnt work |
| 20:28.13 | dustybin | why does debian lenny need to release 5.0.2 ? |
| 20:28.26 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: type "su" in a terminal, enter password |
| 20:28.31 | enouf | nvz: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2009-05-23 07:00 /dev/null |
| 20:28.34 | nkuttler | dustybin: why not? |
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| 20:28.40 | nvz | enouf: thought so.. |
| 20:28.46 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, that doesnt make me root when im editing files |
| 20:28.47 | nkuttler | dustybin: see the release notes |
| 20:28.59 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.01 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: well, if you edit them in the terminal it does |
| 20:29.08 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i do that? |
| 20:29.14 | enouf | nvz: you're not hitting an older udev device-mapper LVM bug are you? |
| 20:29.14 | bike^ | nano is easy to use |
| 20:29.18 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 20:29.19 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 20:29.39 | enouf | nvz: where /dev/{null,zero,random,urandom} are not created properly |
| 20:29.44 | nvz | enouf: got a PITA issue here, only way I can get this machine running is chroot to a USB installation from an install disc so I can make a new kernel.. the /target/dev/null was 660 |
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| 20:30.02 | debuz | How do I disable SELinux? |
| 20:30.04 | Jacob_H | hmm...I really don't understand what was going wrong with the networking...though I wonder if its the ethernet card, as trying a USB one seemed to work |
| 20:30.12 | stickboy | hi all. i seem to be having the problem described here http://www.fell.it/2009/02/18/microcode-swhw-error/ on stable. does anyone know of a more permanent fix? |
| 20:30.14 | MusicalGenius2 | i know all of this sounds stupid, but theres no point in me scouring google for 3 hours when i can ask a simple question and get an answer |
| 20:30.15 | commander_ | nvz they say u can run debian from a virtualbox |
| 20:30.17 | Jacob_H | thanks for the help |
| 20:30.17 | nvz | enouf: which of course prevented me from running irssi without segmentation fault as anything but root, which banned me from #debian |
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| 20:30.27 | nkuttler | MusicalGenius2: don't you know anybody else who uses linux? |
| 20:30.36 | nvz | commander_: they are probably right, whoever they are, and whatever a virtualbox is |
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| 20:30.46 | MusicalGenius2 | and im not new to linux, back when i had a wired connection i used ubuntu all the time, and i still use puppy linux almost daily |
| 20:30.52 | enouf | nvz: this was the bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
| 20:30.55 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, google atheros linux debian |
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| 20:31.09 | _tty0 | Hi, i'm trying install a Debian with a USB device, ok, i made zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb. and then, i try copy the ISO image to /dev/sdb but when i try it, i can't copy the image because the device space is full |
| 20:31.12 | nkuttler | bike^: the card is up, he needs to configure it |
| 20:31.15 | commander_ | it's like a virtual machine or computer |
| 20:31.18 | _tty0 | but this usb device is 1 gb |
| 20:31.22 | MusicalGenius2 | it says to modify files and i still havent figured out how to modify or edit files with the terminal |
| 20:31.22 | nvz | commander_: you can d/l vmware player and an already installed vmware image of debian from vmware's website for freee ig you just want to play around |
| 20:31.25 | bike^ | no its not up the driver is screwing it up |
| 20:31.28 | bike^ | been there |
| 20:31.40 | bike^ | it cant search for a network even |
| 20:31.49 | Jacob_H | _tty0: I believe you have to mount the USB stick before moving the ISO image onto it |
| 20:31.52 | nvz | enouf: well I'm using the latest squeeze installer for amd64.. so idk |
| 20:31.55 | dustybin | how spooky, i just did a aptitude update on my VPS and nothing needed updating? |
| 20:32.03 | enouf | debuz: i believe you can edit /etc/selinux* .. or pas the kernel the 'selinux 0' boot option |
| 20:32.04 | dustybin | how can one tell if im running 5.0.2 ? |
| 20:32.04 | _tty0 | Jacob_H: yes i mount the usb stick |
| 20:32.05 | nvz | enouf: I manually did the chmod 666 or I wouldn't be here ;) |
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| 20:32.20 | nvz | enouf: I was just curious if that was the perms it was suppose to have |
| 20:32.25 | nkuttler | dustybin: add security to your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 20:32.26 | enouf | debuz: also look in /etc/default/ for related selinux conf daemon files |
| 20:32.29 | Megaf | is away: Playing Urban Terror |
| 20:32.33 | MusicalGenius2 | when i plug it in, the green light comes on. so it works, but its not broadcasting any signals, same thing happens with every other distro i use it on, but i usually use a scanning program to find the network |
| 20:32.39 | enouf | nvz: well, now you know ;-) |
| 20:32.41 | _tty0 | i made: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb; mount /dev/sdb /mnt; cp debian.iso /mnt |
| 20:32.50 | abrotman | !tell Megaf about away |
| 20:32.52 | _tty0 | /dev/sdb 239M 21M 219M 9% /mnt |
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| 20:33.00 | _tty0 | and the usb stick has 1 gb |
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| 20:33.01 | debuz | thanks enouf |
| 20:33.04 | enouf | nvz: latest installer? you should report that .. maybe the bug regressed/returned ? |
| 20:33.07 | nvz | enouf: yeah.. well if I can get this f'n server to let me oh idk.. at least FORMAT any one of my drives now, that would be great.. |
| 20:33.07 | dustybin | nkuttler: security is there already, i have a feeling the vps people updated it for me |
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| 20:33.14 | Jacob_H | _tty0: ah, sorry, you said "i try copy the ISO image to /dev/sdb" which suggested it wasn't mounted ;-) |
| 20:33.30 | bike^ | ahteros cards are likely to need some sort of firmware, maybe even extracted from the windwos files, which is a hellova debacle |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | ath5k doesn't require firmware |
| 20:33.46 | nvz | enouf: idk, I just selected "debian testing_x64" from the Unetbootin menu.. don't know for sure what it put on here exactly.. |
| 20:33.47 | _tty0 | Jacob_H: my english is bad and i was trying search other word |
| 20:33.47 | abrotman | !ath5k |
| 20:33.48 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 20:33.48 | dustybin | out of all the simple things, how can one find out the exact version of debian they are running? |
| 20:33.52 | bike^ | hence why i suggest ndiswrapper if that works now |
| 20:34.05 | abrotman | bike^: he has no internet .. how will he get the windows driver on the box ? |
| 20:34.07 | nvz | enouf: I got bigger problems, like rolling a kernel that will allow me to do something with this box |
| 20:34.08 | enouf | debuz: dmesg | grep -i selinux should spit out; " SELinux: Disabled at boot." if you boot with it disabled |
| 20:34.19 | abrotman | he has a functional wifi card .. he just doesn't have it configured |
| 20:34.19 | DetroitLibertyPe | dusytin: cat /etc/issue |
| 20:34.31 | MusicalGenius2 | im on the internet on this pc, and i have a thumb drive... i cant transfer the files? |
| 20:34.34 | enouf | nvz: rolling kernels is cake ;-) |
| 20:34.38 | debuz | enouf: it's disabled =/ |
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| 20:34.46 | enouf | unetbootin? wtf? |
| 20:34.47 | bike^ | there are so many increments/implementations of the card by different manufacturers theres no way of knowing if the firmware is on a chip or loaded into memory by the driver |
| 20:34.49 | dustybin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:34.53 | debuz | enouf: its getting pretty hard to find out why my box doesn't register... |
| 20:34.55 | Jacob_H | _tty0: I might be wrong, but it looks like a 254 MB USB stick |
| 20:34.56 | enouf | debuz: so why did you think it was Enabled? |
| 20:35.03 | abrotman | and even if he gets the ndiswrapper working .. he'll still have to configure it .. which seems to be the current issue |
| 20:35.04 | enouf | debuz: your config issues? |
| 20:35.04 | DetroitLibertyPe | dustybin: so i was close |
| 20:35.17 | dustybin | aye indeed |
| 20:35.20 | nvz | enouf: yeah well the next trick is getting that kernel booted on this system.. |
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| 20:35.26 | MusicalGenius2 | i know how to use ndiswrapper, but i dont know how to use whatever i have now |
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| 20:35.33 | debuz | enouf: the asterisk box does not receive sip packs from me |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: they're the same |
| 20:35.37 | dustybin | the VPS people must of logged into my box, how dare they |
| 20:35.45 | MusicalGenius2 | ok, well whats madwifi do? |
| 20:35.47 | enouf | dustybin: /msg dpkg version |
| 20:35.48 | bike^ | its easy, just google ndiswraper |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | MusicalGenius2: they're both drivers that create interfaces for the system to use .. actually configuring them is the same |
| 20:35.51 | MusicalGenius2 | scan for networks right? |
| 20:35.53 | bike^ | madwifi is a driver |
| 20:35.54 | nvz | enouf: now that I think about it, I might as well roll it on another machine.. cause the installer failed to install a bootloader on this SD card anyhow.. |
| 20:35.57 | bike^ | you dont have that? |
| 20:36.07 | abrotman | bike^: he has a *working* wifi card |
| 20:36.17 | nvz | enouf: I can use that Unetbootin thing to swap out the kernel with one I make, I believe. |
| 20:36.20 | MusicalGenius2 | idk if i have it, is there a way i can find out in terminal? |
| 20:36.25 | bike^ | if it works then why cant it scan? |
| 20:36.30 | enouf | nvz: there's been (many) changes - got keep up with the jones' :-P |
| 20:36.32 | bike^ | apt-cache search madwifi |
| 20:36.33 | abrotman | bike^: not all drivers are created equal .. |
| 20:36.35 | bike^ | MusicalGenius2, |
| 20:36.38 | bike^ | true |
| 20:36.40 | abrotman | holy shit .. stop |
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| 20:36.53 | MusicalGenius2 | nothing |
| 20:37.04 | tuvwx | how do i find out which debian iso images are the most downloaded? |
| 20:37.09 | nvz | enouf: yeah well, all I'm trying to do is install linux on this puter.. been trying for weeks.. gave up on it being debian.. don't really care anymore. |
| 20:37.33 | nvz | enouf: I can't get any kernel that will even format 1 drive much less setup RAID of any kind |
| 20:37.36 | MusicalGenius2 | the apt-cache search didnt open or display any information |
| 20:37.39 | enouf | nvz: load up debirf, emdebian, grml.org, debian-live? :-P |
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| 20:37.57 | Megaf | i just wrote that cuz some of you might like this OpenSource game... That wasnt a script... sorry... |
| 20:37.57 | enouf | nvz: wait, what? |
| 20:38.15 | MusicalGenius2 | is there a way to find out which dvd has which kind of software so i can get it that way? |
| 20:38.20 | enouf | nvz: the Installer should handle all that fine - i guess it doesn't? |
| 20:38.22 | DetroitLibertyPe | good trick cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*}, dpkg |
| 20:38.23 | nvz | enouf: idk, the damn kernel just panics during mkfs no matter what I use, even tried kmuto |
| 20:38.43 | enouf | nvz: time to debug :-) . |
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| 20:38.46 | nvz | enouf: cant find a kernel anywhere that can get passed a simple format on this damn thing |
| 20:39.10 | Spec | nvz: that sounds like a hardware issue |
| 20:39.13 | nvz | enouf: just installed from one SD card to another on this machine via USB |
| 20:39.20 | enouf | load up gdb, maybe even valgrind - is the box being overclocked? :-P |
| 20:39.26 | nvz | Spec: yeah, figured that out 3 weeks ago |
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| 20:39.34 | gparent | Erm. |
| 20:39.36 | nvz | Spec: still trying to solve it |
| 20:39.40 | gparent | rm -rf * won't try to delete .. and ., right? |
| 20:39.45 | Spec | nvz: memtest any? |
| 20:39.50 | enouf | nvz: check the voltage for the DIMMs in the BIOS :-p |
| 20:39.51 | gparent | Nevermind |
| 20:39.51 | gparent | :) |
| 20:39.58 | MusicalGenius2 | is fedora more wifi friendly? |
| 20:40.00 | nvz | Spec: don't see how thats relevant to anything |
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| 20:40.19 | Spec | nvz: you said all kernels fail to format any drive in the box? |
| 20:40.24 | nvz | Spec: its brand new in box hardware, and the install just worked fine not using the SATA at all |
| 20:40.39 | enouf | Spec: he aid they all do the same - PANIC!, iinm |
| 20:40.54 | Spec | nvz: oh, just sata = death? |
| 20:40.58 | nvz | and I'm willing to bet if I threw a windows cd in here, it would install fine |
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| 20:41.05 | Spec | who is manufacturer of the controller? |
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| 20:41.18 | MusicalGenius2 | nvz agreed |
| 20:41.25 | tuvwx | let me rephrase: which debian architecture iso images are most downloaded? amd64 or i386? |
| 20:41.34 | enouf | nvz: you might need to pass some magical acpi_osm= option .. for the ACPI DSDT and shit for the OEM crap |
| 20:41.37 | nvz | I got 3x500GB drives in here, trying to do RAID5, but it won't work even just with one disk, no matter how its set in the BIOS |
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| 20:42.05 | enouf | nvz: just poke through kernel-parameters.txt and x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt |
| 20:42.07 | nvz | changing the SATA/AHCI/RAID mode just gives me a different flavor of crash |
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| 20:42.23 | nvz | enouf: I tried msix options, and all kinds of crap already |
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| 20:42.29 | enouf | youd want HCI for mdadm |
| 20:42.32 | enouf | er AHCI |
| 20:42.43 | enouf | and drives plugged into the correct ports |
| 20:42.44 | nvz | enouf: the weird part is, the error is about pci_gart, and occurs in a makefs.ext2 process |
| 20:42.52 | nvz | enouf: makes no f'n sense at all |
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| 20:43.14 | enouf | nvz: sounds mtrr related maybe |
| 20:43.35 | enouf | nvz: what's Aperture setting in BIOS? shadow BIOS too? |
| 20:43.40 | nvz | enouf: yeah I was fooling with different bios settings and kernel params but not found any magic yet |
| 20:43.49 | nvz | enouf: here is the tricky part about the GART.. |
| 20:43.58 | enouf | nvz: you don't want Palette snooping |
| 20:44.11 | nvz | enouf: its an onboard nvidia boost chipset.. nforce9m-a/geforce8100 |
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| 20:44.19 | enouf | ugh |
| 20:44.22 | nvz | enouf: but its NOT a graphics chipset.. no onboard gfx |
| 20:44.32 | nvz | I got a damn PCI trident card in there |
| 20:44.37 | nvz | OLD legacy crap |
| 20:44.37 | enouf | haha |
| 20:44.40 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:44.53 | enouf | i have one of those in my p150 :-P |
| 20:44.55 | nvz | trying to disable all the new-fangled garbage |
| 20:45.10 | enouf | nvz: toy with the 1MB (or 15-16MB) memory hole |
| 20:45.15 | IRC-Monitor-992 | hola |
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| 20:45.20 | mjv | hi, how do I install older libc2.2.. Do I have to find the sources or is there some debian package somewhere? |
| 20:45.25 | nvz | though I did try it just for the hell of it with a nvidia pci-e SLI capable card |
| 20:45.40 | darkhost | algun español? |
| 20:45.45 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:45.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:45.52 | nvz | all this seems irrelevant, but the only way graphics and HD can be caught up in the same issue is when adress mapping is involved |
| 20:45.53 | darkhost | thanks |
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| 20:46.18 | nvz | seen it before on a laptop, I/O ports were mapped wrong, loading sound or lan drivers would send the disk controller offline |
| 20:46.21 | enouf | nvz: indeed - it appears the GART issue is appearing so mkfs can show you progress info? |
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| 20:46.27 | enouf | whilst* |
| 20:46.58 | nvz | enouf: at like 30% each time.. freezes.. so I just switch to the damn syslog screen right as I hit "go" so I can read the error |
| 20:47.24 | enouf | nvz: you need some snapshots of system states at various times to ascrtain what's going on - and files like /proc/iomem, dmesg, etc output |
| 20:47.39 | eldowan | is there a tool/utility that will show usb device throughput? I would love something that would provide the kind of information that a NIC gives, but so I can see how fast things are transfering over my USB drives. Any ideas? |
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| 20:47.54 | enouf | nvz: /me *shrugs* at this point |
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| 20:48.58 | nvz | enouf: yeah I'm pretty lost on it too.. this whole idea I just had is seeming to be a waste of time. I got a USB microsd/sd reader, and got a 512mb micro (sda) with the installer on it and the 2g SD (sdb) has the target on it.. |
| 20:49.17 | nvz | enouf: but it failed to be able to put any bootloader on either card. so here I am chrooted from the installer |
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| 20:49.46 | nvz | enouf: I know what you mean about gathering more info, but I don;t think I know enough about it to grok any of the data I collect |
| 20:50.12 | enouf | nvz: gotcha |
| 20:50.14 | nvz | enouf: I'm a bit beyond the scope of my understanding here, given I'm not familiar with 70% of the technology in this system |
| 20:50.50 | enouf | nvz: flash the BIOS, set Load Safe Defaults, try again? |
| 20:50.54 | nvz | enouf: this is the first I've heard of a geforce that isnt a damn gfx card. |
| 20:51.10 | enouf | nvz: ahh . i think i recall reading about that indeed |
| 20:51.37 | enouf | nvz: even on pciids.sf.net, IINM |
| 20:51.37 | nvz | enouf: I was scared to do that cause none of the newer BIOS seemed to have and related issues resolved, mostly cosmetic crap fixed.. |
| 20:51.38 | enouf | in the description |
| 20:51.59 | nvz | enouf: and to flash it I would have to load up something similar to what I have now and use the tools in debian to unpack the bios image and flash it.. |
| 20:52.09 | dwschool | textfmt: No font metric information found for "Courier-Bold". i'm getting this error when trying to send test fax |
| 20:52.13 | enouf | nvz: $ grep -i geforce /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 20:52.15 | nvz | cause everything official is windows based these days for flashing bios |
| 20:52.20 | dwschool | i'm getting this error when trying to send a fax using hylafax |
| 20:52.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.27 | dwschool | how can i fix this? |
| 20:52.28 | enouf | heh |
| 20:52.38 | nvz | enouf: yeah its insane. |
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| 20:52.55 | nvz | enouf: everything is on one chipset |
| 20:53.05 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.07 | enouf | haha |
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| 20:53.15 | nvz | the geforce processor integrated is only intended as an SLI booster |
| 20:53.50 | nvz | this is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen |
| 20:53.56 | enouf | nvz: dig a hole? oh wait -- .. see ebay ;-) |
| 20:54.00 | nvz | I just need apache running on this fucker like a month ago |
| 20:54.12 | nvz | I'm ready to start trying BSD and other crap |
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| 20:54.56 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.02 | nvz | 'm sure I could get another cheap. |
| 20:55.19 | nvz | just don't have the money right now, then there is the question of what to do with this one.. |
| 20:55.29 | nvz | need some windows gamer nerd to pawn it off on |
| 20:55.36 | nvz | cause it is not linux friendly at all |
| 20:55.43 | enouf | nvz: specifically 084f C77 [GeForce 8100 / nForce 720a] <-- irecall that being an issue for others months ago .. ugh |
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| 20:56.46 | nvz | enouf: only reason I ordered it is cause it was cheap and I thought "oh nvidia geforce, gfx onboard. yay. no need to buy a video card for a server that (best case) I will only need to see output from it on a monitor once (during install)" |
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| 20:57.05 | enouf | nvz: you didn't read the fine print! :-P |
| 20:57.17 | nvz | enouf: then I get it, the missing VGA connector, and I'm like WTF?! |
| 20:57.30 | nvz | I knew it was trouble the moment I took it out of the box |
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| 20:57.38 | paxcoder | ok, who needs help? |
| 20:57.45 | nvz | hah, me.. |
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| 20:58.02 | zinx | nvz: what does it have instead? DVI/HDMI? |
| 20:58.06 | nvz | how's your knowledge on shitty hardware bugs? |
| 20:58.14 | nvz | zinx: has nothing.. its not a video card |
| 20:58.19 | zinx | nvz: oh :P |
| 20:58.20 | nvz | zinx: its some nvidia boost shit |
| 20:58.27 | enouf | nvz: it's ok - many OEMs have hidden most things they're not happy to expose, such like when Intel's RAID10 Matrix crap appeared, only 3 SATA ports were available, when the Mobo claims 4+4 etc etc |
| 20:58.36 | nvz | its an sli board with only 1 pci-e SLI slot |
| 20:58.37 | paxcoder | nvz: very good, they all are correctly answered by "wontfix" |
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| 20:58.49 | nvz | you gotta provide the video card, its booster is onboard already |
| 20:59.32 | nvz | dumbest shit I ever seen |
| 20:59.32 | enouf | gives nvz 's puter a booster shot |
| 20:59.32 | paxcoder | <nvz> its an sli board with only 1 pci-e SLI slot |
| 20:59.32 | nvz | and I have seen the 8" floppy, and the MFM hard drive.. |
| 20:59.32 | paxcoder | repeats and laughs |
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| 20:59.55 | nvz | paxcoder: yeah this board is nuts |
| 21:00.04 | enouf | sounds eerily like CrossFire from ATi :-p |
| 21:00.07 | enouf | hides |
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| 21:00.40 | zinx | nvz: yeah, that's pretty crazy |
| 21:00.42 | nvz | paxcoder: all kernels I've tried including the kmuto ones that are suppose to address these sorts of issues, hang during 30% of formatting the ext* partition, with an error in pci_gart |
| 21:00.47 | nvz | figure that one out |
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| 21:00.58 | nvz | there is only one answer and its addressing issues somewhere |
| 21:01.07 | nvz | where, and how to fix it is beyond me |
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| 21:01.38 | paxcoder | you should try more specialized channels |
| 21:01.39 | nvz | there is no f'n way in a system without hardware addressing issues a f'n format on the SATA bus can cause a pci_gart panic |
| 21:01.47 | nike | I'm running amd64 and can't figure out how to get firefox 3.5 on Debian |
| 21:02.01 | paxcoder | nike: why would you want to? |
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| 21:02.14 | paxcoder | you know iceweasel is firefox re-branded, correct? |
| 21:02.18 | enouf | nvz: only tried amd64? tried i386? |
| 21:02.20 | enouf | nvz: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt#L190 |
| 21:02.33 | stew | nike: why not wait for an iceweasel 3.5 package to be made availalbe? |
| 21:02.54 | enouf | nvz: try iommu=noaperture and such |
| 21:02.54 | nike | paxcoder: HTML5 noob |
| 21:03.07 | nvz | enouf: I actually have only tried amd64.. but it kinda defeats the purpose of running linux on a quad-core system if I'm gonna use i386 |
| 21:03.15 | paxcoder | nike: well you didn't say beta, now did you? |
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| 21:03.35 | nike | paxcoder: Firefox 3.5 isn't beta anymore. it's been in RC for weeks, and now it's stable. |
| 21:03.37 | enouf | nvz: also #debian-amd64 ? mailing lists? |
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| 21:03.41 | nvz | enouf: I'll try tooling with more options.. I was trying various iommu, pci, msix..etc options. |
| 21:03.45 | paxcoder | nike: with HTML5 support? |
| 21:03.52 | paxcoder | oh, RC |
| 21:03.53 | paxcoder | still |
| 21:03.58 | paxcoder | i meant RC :-P |
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| 21:04.12 | nike | paxcoder: mozilla.com check it, as of 2 days ago |
| 21:04.34 | paxcoder | yey the video tag. (not sarcastic) |
| 21:04.42 | enouf | i understand nvz - i loathe rebooting a gazillion times, and failing each time - ya know, grub2 has a emulation boot module, i hear you can toy with it, instead of really rebooting ;-) |
| 21:05.07 | gparent | Is there a way to print the currently installed packages and versions to a file so I can refer to it if this upgrade goes wrong? |
| 21:05.27 | johannesh | gparent: may dpkg -l > yourfilename |
| 21:05.31 | johannesh | *maybe |
| 21:05.46 | gparent | That sounds good :) |
| 21:05.47 | gparent | thanks |
| 21:05.56 | commander_ | can i install debian inside ubuntu? |
| 21:06.01 | nvz | enouf: interesting.. only reason its annoying right now is cause those approaches call for me undoin the setup I have now, irc'ing from the machine using a USB SD card.. heh.. |
| 21:06.12 | nvz | enouf: but its worth a try |
| 21:06.32 | enouf | nvz: one more that i recall working for some, listed in kernel-parameters.txt (pci=nommconf) |
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| 21:07.03 | nvz | enouf: yeah I think thats one of the options I've tried. |
| 21:07.34 | nvz | enouf: and even if some magic option works I probably still need to compile a custom kernel at some point before this machine goes into production |
| 21:07.39 | enouf | nvz: i think i even recall searching through lkml.org for info about those f'd up chipsets |
| 21:08.03 | nvz | enouf: but if I can at least get the installer to finish, then I will know better where the problem is for when I get to configuring a new kernel |
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| 21:09.19 | nvz | maybe I should shut the iommu down altogether |
| 21:09.33 | nvz | sounds dangerous on a quad core architecture.. heh |
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| 21:10.46 | nvz | hmm.. wt |
| 21:10.47 | nvz | f |
| 21:11.00 | nvz | nickserv says enveezee is not registered |
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| 21:11.08 | nvz | wonder what the hell happened to my alt |
| 21:11.17 | enouf | nvz: IINM, only intel really used the iommu (or has/had only software avail as well as hardware?) someshit, i can't recall now, it's in there though |
| 21:11.51 | nvz | oh well.. I'll be back in two seconds since freenode seems to have deleted my other name from services |
| 21:11.52 | enouf | nvz: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/drivers/acpi/acpica/hwvalid.c stuff like that (as it pertains to the acpi_osi= option and others) can freak me out! |
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| 21:14.14 | Polarina | What do I do if a keyboard does not have the key for the <, >, and the | characters? |
| 21:14.29 | nvz | run away screaming! |
| 21:15.02 | nvz | or remap the keyboard |
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| 21:15.21 | Polarina | Are there any key combinations I could use? |
| 21:15.26 | gr1mlock | and the next problem, I created a RAID 1 for the boot partition, now I wanted to do a "grub-install /dev/md1" but it tells me there's no such partition, any tips on that issue?? |
| 21:15.39 | gr1mlock | *software raid 1 |
| 21:15.58 | enouf | gr1mlock: you don't grub-install to Virtual block devices, such as /dev/mdX |
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| 21:16.17 | gr1mlock | hm... |
| 21:16.20 | gr1mlock | great |
| 21:16.23 | enouf | gr1mlock: you install to (hdX) and such, or /dev/sda , /dev/sdb ... |
| 21:16.35 | gr1mlock | sdx |
| 21:16.48 | enouf | gr1mlock: the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* should have the info as well |
| 21:17.12 | gr1mlock | thought it would be that easy |
| 21:17.35 | gr1mlock | thanks |
| 21:18.24 | gparent | Is it fine to install the regular gcc package and gcc-4.4 together? |
| 21:18.28 | enouf | gr1mlock: the docs also in /usr/share/doc/grub-legacy-doc/ install the pkg if necessary |
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| 21:18.46 | gr1mlock | alright, thanks enouf |
| 21:18.47 | gparent | I assume this is why they are separate packages? |
| 21:18.51 | nvz | gparent: yep, just gets a little tricky using em |
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| 21:19.20 | gparent | Any experience with that? I'm trying to run geordi |
| 21:19.21 | enouf | gr1mlock: it basically is easy, especially using the grub shell, not grub-install |
| 21:19.25 | nvz | but if you don't know how to switch compilers you probably shouldnt be compiling anything |
| 21:19.40 | eldowan | gparent: when there are multiple installed gcc versions, usually /usr/bin/gcc is a simlink to /usr/bin/gcc-<version> IIRC |
| 21:19.50 | gparent | I can figure out how, I just don't want to break my system by messing up libc |
| 21:19.53 | enouf | eldowan: correct |
| 21:19.59 | gparent | But if I can install both I'll work on figuring out how to use them ;) |
| 21:20.14 | nvz | gparent: libc and gcc are two different things |
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| 21:20.25 | eldowan | gparent: I believe you can use export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-<version> OR manually edit the symlink. |
| 21:20.28 | gparent | Yeah but gcc depends on it so I was afraid of versions being an issue. |
| 21:20.44 | enouf | gparent: just use 'export CC=gcc-version' when you need to :-) |
| 21:20.50 | nvz | !depends gcc-4.4 |
| 21:20.52 | gparent | eldowan: I don't really use GCC at all, so I'll probably edit the symlink. |
| 21:21.06 | gparent | I just need geordi to compile using the newest one when it runs snippets. |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | gcc-4.4: depends on gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.0-10), cpp-4.4 (= 4.4.0-10), binutils (>= 2.19.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.4.0-10), libgomp1 (>= 4.4.0-10), libc6 (>= 2.3) |
| 21:21.14 | enouf | gparent: i think it's _not_ recommended to edit the symlink |
| 21:21.18 | gparent | Oh. |
| 21:21.23 | nvz | !depends gcc lennny |
| 21:21.38 | nvz | !depends gcc stable |
| 21:21.55 | dpkg | gcc: depends on cpp (>= 4:4.1.1-15), gcc-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) |
| 21:22.29 | nvz | either way what I'm trying to illistrate with no help from dpkg is that's not an issue |
| 21:22.38 | gparent | Ehe. |
| 21:22.41 | gparent | Okay, thanks :) |
| 21:24.06 | Greyscale | Why is apt trying to get Package instead of Package.gz? |
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| 21:25.19 | dwschool | how do i tell what version of ghostscript im running. |
| 21:25.26 | dwschool | textfmt: No font metric information found for "Courier-Bold". i'm getting this error when trying to send test fax |
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| 21:25.34 | nvz | dwschool: dpkg -l ghostscript |
| 21:25.42 | dwschool | textfmt: No font metric information found for "Courier-Bold". |
| 21:25.43 | nvz | dwschool: have to use the package name |
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| 21:30.44 | nvz | ah, time to make a mental note of the fact that the GART-IOMMU is _THE_ IOMMU on these systems |
| 21:30.51 | nvz | which explains a lot |
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| 21:31.41 | pingouin | never use mental notes, always, paper and pen notes, brain leak ;) |
| 21:31.58 | nvz | I'm gonna try something different here, and swap out the ram with smaller sticks |
| 21:31.58 | enouf | whoa ... heh, that going to http://localhost:631/admin after firing up /etc/init.d/cups start really screwed up my irssi xterm O_o |
| 21:31.58 | nvz | see if this still happens with like 1gb ram as opposed to 4gb |
| 21:32.04 | enouf | in IW, no less |
| 21:32.29 | nooper | pingouin: is that a mental note to self? |
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| 21:34.23 | pingouin | nooper: nop, just a brain fart |
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| 21:35.21 | monstro | how to up module htb ? |
| 21:35.52 | enouf | dwschool: $ fc-match courier-bold |
| 21:35.53 | enouf | n022003l.pfb: "Nimbus Mono L" "Regular" |
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| 21:36.59 | monstro | anyone can help me ? |
| 21:37.03 | enouf | heh; sfonts: /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n022003l.pfb |
| 21:37.08 | enouf | er gsfonts |
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| 21:38.10 | pingouin | monstro: a guru would tell you to modprobe <name of module> , but i rather do : modconf and locate the module to load |
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| 21:39.12 | monstro | pingouin, how to locate the module ? |
| 21:39.28 | enouf | kernel/net/sched/sch_htb.ko ? |
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| 21:39.41 | pingouin | monstro: with modconf - it's a package you have to aptitude install |
| 21:40.22 | dustybin | does linux RAID really work? has anyone had a disk go bad, and linux RAID re-built with a new drive? |
| 21:40.48 | pingouin | monstro: and then browse the modules list by categorie, then load it, then quit modconf, then lsmod and watch the name of the module, so the next time you just have to modprobe <the good name of the module> |
| 21:40.50 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep htb ; modinfo sch_htb |
| 21:41.26 | pingouin | exactly what i've just said ;) a guru would have done it guru's way :) |
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| 21:41.40 | pingouin | will never be a guru :/ |
| 21:41.52 | pingouin | still use rcconf :/ |
| 21:42.21 | enouf | nothing wrong with using rcconf |
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| 21:42.40 | enouf | right tool, right job - what's wrong with that? |
| 21:43.07 | enouf | pingouin: update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d are meant for devs and their pkg scripts mainly |
| 21:43.13 | pingouin | i always failled to do the job rcconf do, by "hand" you know |
| 21:43.20 | pingouin | rc stuff |
| 21:44.13 | enouf | pingouin: and they even need to be very careful - take a look at the insserv pkgs - then also unrelated, but see file-rc, if you want a change ;-) |
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| 21:47.02 | pingouin | Use this package with care, as incorrect or missing dependencies can give you an unbootable system. |
| 21:47.14 | pingouin | enouf: i think...rcconf is a very good tool for me ;) |
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| 21:49.22 | KWhat_Work | where does deb put the /etc/sysconf or /etc/conf.d or similar |
| 21:49.39 | kevin01123 | How do I stop Debian from configuring a kernel for me? |
| 21:50.40 | nvz | well fuck me sideways.. the installer just formatted the RAID with only 1gb ram in it |
| 21:50.47 | gnusosa | Hi guys, I'm way desperate now. |
| 21:50.48 | nvz | the errors only happen with >3gb ram |
| 21:50.49 | jelly-home | !fuck nvz |
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| 21:51.10 | paxcoder | !fail jelly-home |
| 21:51.10 | nvz | I'm still a little foggy on the EXACT problem.. but I'm understanding it a bit better now.. |
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| 21:51.18 | jelly-home | dpkg: test |
| 21:51.18 | dpkg | epic test fail |
| 21:51.31 | gnusosa | I'm reciving an email with address system@server.com, it reads intrusion (con): my ip and the port. |
| 21:51.40 | nvz | now the big question is.. reduce the ram, or fix the problem |
| 21:51.59 | nvz | seems like the right answer is fix the problem |
| 21:52.08 | nvz | just not sure how to do that yet |
| 21:52.16 | gnusosa | I don't know which service is sending it. |
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| 21:53.54 | gnusosa | The email reads like this: |
| 21:53.57 | gnusosa | Possible Intrusion (CON): |
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| 21:58.11 | mesa_booger | gnusosa: maybe you've won the european lottery |
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| 21:59.52 | JW | When setting up software (Linux md) RAID 1 (mirroring) on a pair of disks, should the swap partition be inside the mirroed RAID volume, or should it be a separate, plin old partition on the drive (not part of the RAID setup)? |
| 22:00.03 | Knorrie | inside the raid |
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| 22:00.15 | enouf | nvz: sounds like a memory mapping issue - check out the settings of the kernel config; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/arch/x86/Kconfig (i was going to say look at the vmsplit stuffs, but that seems 32bit and PAE related only). |
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| 22:00.26 | Knorrie | JW: imagine what would happen when swap is not on raid and 1 disk fails? |
| 22:00.41 | JW | OK. I should have thought that before. Last time I set that up I followed some instructinos which set them up outside, and I did that on my last few servers :-( but I got to thinking, that would be crazy. |
| 22:00.51 | JW | Knorrie: exactly |
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| 22:01.13 | JW | I wonder if there's any way to go back and fix my pervious servers :-( I guess not. |
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| 22:01.19 | Knorrie | it's fairly easy to fix afterwards isnt it |
| 22:01.47 | JW | how? swap off, create a new RAID volume, make a partition inside, adjust fstab, swapon? |
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| 22:01.57 | Knorrie | yes |
| 22:02.09 | JW | What's that going to do to grub, nothing? |
| 22:02.15 | Knorrie | nothing |
| 22:02.44 | enouf | Knorrie: he could make 2 swap partitions, one on each disk as well, set priority |
| 22:03.06 | Knorrie | well, at least when you don't use options like suspend/resume from swap |
| 22:03.09 | enouf | Knorrie: it'll round-robin itself - man mkswap |
| 22:03.26 | enouf | or even swapfiles |
| 22:03.56 | Knorrie | enouf: as long as it's on the raid1 |
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| 22:05.32 | enouf | Knorrie: it could be it's own raid1 pair |
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| 22:06.19 | JW | today the Lenny installer don't let me creat partitions inside the raid volume. That's crazy. I didn't have this problem before. What am I doing wrong? Partition first and then make 2 RAID volumes? |
| 22:06.30 | enouf | IOW /dev/md2 is 2x swap partitions only |
| 22:06.36 | JW | FOr some reason I thought I remembered making 1 RAID volume and then partitioning it |
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| 22:07.57 | rahsputin | hi, i am using festival, how can i record what is being read for instance as xxx.ogg ? |
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| 22:09.08 | enouf | JW: i would, yes ; Partition first and then make 2 RAID volumes -- if you did it the other way, you likely were using dmraid, not mdadm .. but .. i'm confused a bit - and i forget how LVM ontop after affects how it should be done |
| 22:09.56 | JW | Yeah I think I must have a bad memory. The Lenny installer is definately using md beacuse it's calling everything pertaining to it md-this and md-that |
| 22:09.58 | enouf | JW: IOW, the mdadm docs tell you usually to mdadm --create, --assemble, -raid-level X, whatever /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 22:10.11 | Greyscale | Why is apt trying to get Package instead of Package.gz? |
| 22:10.14 | JW | I accidently marked the whole thing as swap and now it won't let go do I'm going to reboot it |
| 22:10.25 | enouf | JW: many nice examples in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 22:10.28 | Greyscale | I'm getting a 404 for Package while Package.gz exists. |
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| 22:10.40 | JW | enouf: yes of course :-D |
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| 22:11.58 | paxcoder | rhodan: text2wave |
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| 22:12.20 | Fedor | i |
| 22:12.22 | Fedor | Hi |
| 22:12.50 | paxcoder | rahsputin: see above, wrong nick |
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| 22:18.09 | infernix | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 22:18.09 | infernix | erk: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824. (man 5 apt.conf) |
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| 22:18.12 | infernix | what the what? |
| 22:18.41 | infernix | my laptop needs a serious reinstall >.< |
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| 22:19.59 | nkuttler | !tell infernix about dynamic mmap |
| 22:20.39 | karsten | what's a good reference for a windows user new to Linux? |
| 22:20.54 | nkuttler | !tell karsten about grounding |
| 22:21.16 | nkuttler | !tell karsten about fundamentals |
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| 22:22.07 | karsten | nkuttler: tx |
| 22:22.17 | nkuttler | karsten: yw |
| 22:22.27 | enouf | infernix: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 22:22.30 | karsten | nkuttler: fundamentals is a bit to basic ;-) |
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| 22:22.53 | enouf | karsten: linuxcommand.org is one, tldp.org, etc |
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| 22:22.58 | amphi | karsten: FWIW, there's a perhaps useful 'introduction to linux' book at tldp.org |
| 22:23.31 | amphi | karsten: the debian reference might be of use also ;) you can install it with your package manager |
| 22:23.44 | amphi | hey enouf |
| 22:23.55 | enouf | amphi: heh, nice to see ya - guess what, twas just discussing this old stinkpad .. again@! :-P |
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| 22:24.29 | enouf | amphi: gonna toss a HDD in + new battery == see what it can do :-) |
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| 22:26.07 | Nwallins1 | I am getting some strange hiccups that seem to be related to network operations. I suspect failing network hardware (NIC, switch, or cable) or maybe a failing HD |
| 22:26.12 | Nwallins1 | what logs should I examine? |
| 22:26.22 | amphi | enouf: what model was it? |
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| 22:26.29 | amphi | something odd, if I recall correctly |
| 22:26.34 | infernix | man, ia32-apt-get is the worst thing ive ever encountered |
| 22:27.13 | enouf | karsten: some others; http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ http://os.cqu.edu.au/lark/ |
| 22:27.28 | enouf | amphi: yes - /me /j ##ibmthnkpad |
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| 22:31.05 | klbate | Is there any way to put a computer in TOR-only mode, i.e. not allow any incoming or outgoing network traffic that isn't through TOR? |
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| 22:33.35 | infernix | downloads 2GB of packages with dist-upgrade |
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| 22:33.58 | nkuttler | klbate: hmmmm, something like a transparent proxy on the router? |
| 22:34.04 | infernix | oh sid, how i love/hate you |
| 22:34.21 | klbate | nkuttler: I was thinking without a router. |
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| 22:35.12 | klbate | nkuttler: I don't necessarily want all traffic to be tunneled through TOR automatically, I just want to block everything that isn't. |
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| 22:35.42 | nkuttler | klbate: does tor use a specific port? |
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| 22:37.01 | drwn | somebody can help me with postfix problem ? |
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| 22:37.20 | drwn | is about smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 22:37.37 | drwn | I can't send mail to another domain |
| 22:37.50 | Nwallins1 | how can I check if my network hardware or hard drive may be failing? |
| 22:38.12 | klbate | nkuttler: Not that I can see. |
| 22:38.25 | klbate | nkuttler: Well, it does for incoming connections, but not for outgoing ones. |
| 22:39.00 | nkuttler | Nwallins: /var/log/messages ? |
| 22:39.08 | Nwallins | nothing crazy, there |
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| 22:40.58 | adb | /var/log/syslog ? |
| 22:42.17 | Nwallins | nothing interesting in syslog either. :( |
| 22:43.15 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.07 | adb | dpkg: tell Nwallins about ask |
| 22:44.23 | nkuttler | Nwallins: for the hd check if the vendor provides analysis tools |
| 22:44.32 | nkuttler | Nwallins: diagnostic tools |
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| 22:44.51 | Nwallins | it's a Dell PERC RAID setup, i have futzed with the tools available at bootup |
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| 22:46.14 | karsten | amphi: tx |
| 22:46.16 | karsten | enouf: tx |
| 22:46.36 | Nwallins | I did a run of bonnie++, but I don't have anything to compare to. seemed ok |
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| 22:50.37 | Dave123_ | is there a way to search in a text file in bash for 33 digits after each other? |
| 22:51.25 | dkr | Dave123_: grep '[0-9]{33}' file |
| 22:51.33 | Dave123_ | danke |
| 22:52.31 | karsten | OK, I think I've got enough stuff thrown at him to keep him out of my hair for a while. |
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| 22:54.53 | Sal | hello |
| 22:55.18 | Sal | can someone tell me where i can find a debian livd cd/dvd so i could try it without installing it |
| 22:55.30 | Sal | livd=live |
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| 22:56.40 | adb | !live cd |
| 22:56.41 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 22:57.30 | farid | hello |
| 22:57.57 | farid | i need to know where can i find the driver for modem hpsda alcatel |
| 22:58.03 | farid | 3G modem |
| 22:58.09 | adb | !hpsda |
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| 22:59.49 | Sal | thanks |
| 23:00.09 | dwschool | where is debian exim config file |
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| 23:00.42 | Sal | <debian live> |
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| 23:00.55 | Sal | !debian live |
| 23:00.55 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 23:01.14 | nkuttler | dwschool: depends. /etc/exim4/ |
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| 23:01.58 | dwschool | i only have sa-exim.conf, exim4.conf.template passwd.client, and update-exim.conf.conf |
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| 23:03.04 | Angolares | Anybody knows about hylafax? |
| 23:03.26 | dwschool | just finished getting it setup whats up? |
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| 23:03.51 | nkuttler | dwschool: read the template one |
| 23:04.01 | Angolares | I'm trying to config but :'( |
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| 23:04.21 | dwschool | nkuttler - what i'm asking is how to make changes to the conf when there isn't one |
| 23:04.23 | Nwallins | hmm, it looks like my issue may be auth/PAM related |
| 23:04.27 | nkuttler | dwschool: and /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/* |
| 23:04.31 | Nwallins | pam_lwidentity(cron:setcred): User 'root' is not known. |
| 23:04.39 | Nwallins | from auth.log |
| 23:04.40 | dwschool | do i make my changes to the template one |
| 23:04.43 | farid_ | farid>hello |
| 23:04.44 | Nwallins | is this an issue? |
| 23:04.45 | farid_ | <farid>i need to know where can i find the driver for modem hpsda alcatel |
| 23:04.47 | farid_ | <farid>3G modem |
| 23:04.48 | farid_ | <adb>!hpsda |
| 23:04.49 | Angolares | At this moment is running but I call, the modem sounds but do nothing |
| 23:04.50 | farid_ | [ERROR]Connection to irc://freenode/ (irc://irc.freenode.net/) reset. [Help] |
| 23:04.50 | nkuttler | dwschool: read the template one |
| 23:04.51 | farid_ | <farid>hspda usb modem |
| 23:04.53 | farid_ | <farid>desolé |
| 23:04.55 | farid_ | <farid>connexion prb |
| 23:05.05 | Angolares | RS232 |
| 23:05.14 | Angolares | COM1 |
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| 23:05.44 | dwschool | Angolares: whats the problem |
| 23:06.23 | Angolares | dwschool: At this moment is running but I call, the modem sounds but do nothing - COM1 |
| 23:06.45 | Angolares | ttyS0 |
| 23:06.52 | dwschool | is asterisk forwarding it into the modem? |
| 23:07.03 | dwschool | or aren't u using asterisk |
| 23:07.15 | Angolares | no asterisk |
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| 23:07.49 | enouf | karsten: one last one; http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html :-P |
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| 23:07.57 | enouf | runs |
| 23:08.26 | abrotman | Angolares: probably easier to test sending first |
| 23:08.26 | enouf | (like it's the only thing you ever have written - heh) |
| 23:08.33 | Angolares | faxstat |
| 23:08.33 | Angolares | HylaFAX scheduler on AngolaresLXserver: Running |
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| 23:08.47 | JW | enouf: Knorrie: my server won't boot when I have the swap file in RAID :-( |
| 23:08.56 | JW | mdadm: No devices listed in conf file found |
| 23:09.07 | JW | * swap partitoin I mean, not file |
| 23:09.13 | JW | bah - partition |
| 23:09.25 | enouf | JW: check dmesg and /msg dpkg bootlogd and see /etc/default/mdadm |
| 23:09.51 | enouf | JW: sounds like you need also to add entries for it in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 23:09.59 | Angolares | OK Ill try send, and I cme back if problem. Thank's |
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| 23:10.07 | JW | enouf: ok thanks |
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| 23:10.46 | enouf | JW: cat /proc/mdstat as well |
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| 23:10.49 | dwschool | how do i execute a script if a user gets an email? |
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| 23:11.17 | dkr | dwschool: depends on your mail server. some of them let you make an alias that points to a script |
| 23:11.26 | dwschool | does exim? |
| 23:11.28 | iaindalton | Is it possible to fool aptitude into thinking a package is installed when it isn't? |
| 23:11.33 | Knorrie | JW: look at the output of mdadm --detail --scan and compare that to your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 23:11.35 | enouf | dwschool: maybe /etc/motd.tail ? |
| 23:11.47 | JW | ok |
| 23:11.55 | Knorrie | JW: likely the new raid1 array is missing |
| 23:11.58 | enouf | iaindalton: yes, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 23:11.59 | abrotman | dwschool: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:12.03 | Knorrie | JW: so it does not get started |
| 23:12.24 | JW | ok. |
| 23:12.40 | dwschool | something like john@my.com gets email it gets sent into a script for processing |
| 23:12.48 | dkr | dwschool: probably. I only know for sure that sendmail does though. e.g. you could a make an alias like joe: joe,"|script" to run script when joe got email (and pass mail contents to stdin of the script |
| 23:12.53 | JW | I guess it isn't grub that's freaking out, its something else. It booted but tripped out as soon as I got past Decompressing Linux . . . |
| 23:13.01 | JW | So it sent me to a busy box shell |
| 23:13.13 | JW | ALERT! /dev/md1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
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| 23:13.18 | Knorrie | oh |
| 23:13.25 | JW | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.30 | JW | (initramfs) |
| 23:13.36 | Knorrie | seems it can't find the root fs? |
| 23:13.41 | Knorrie | thats weird |
| 23:13.43 | enouf | JW: /var/log/boot and /etc/fstab entries |
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| 23:13.57 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 23:13.57 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | dwschool: is it a real system user or fake? |
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| 23:14.10 | dwschool | real |
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| 23:14.40 | dwschool | abrotman: its a real user |
| 23:14.42 | abrotman | dwschool: you can you a .forward like "\john, | /usr/bin/script" |
| 23:14.48 | enouf | JW: note, just FWIW, mdadm UUIDs are NOT /dev/disk/by-uuids (partition / FS uuids) |
| 23:14.51 | abrotman | let me double check that |
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| 23:15.35 | JW | enouf: not totally sure what you mean there but in this busybox shell (where is this think looking, anyway?) there's an etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 23:15.43 | JW | and it does have both /de/md0 and /dev/md1 listed |
| 23:15.53 | abrotman | dwschool: close .. it would be like .. \john, "|/usr/bin/script" |
| 23:15.54 | JW | and UUID=(something too long to type here) |
| 23:16.08 | enouf | JW: but are they all in [UU] in /proc/mdstat ? |
| 23:16.23 | JW | enouf: I can't boot the system so I can't tell you any of that, really |
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| 23:16.37 | enouf | JW: you can access it from busybox |
| 23:16.41 | JW | enouf: I just have this funny busybox shell. I"m not even sure what it's seeing as etc and all that |
| 23:16.43 | JW | ok I'll look |
| 23:16.48 | dwschool | abrotman - how do i setup the forward file |
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| 23:17.05 | JW | cat /proc/mdstat only has 2 lines: |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 23:17.17 | JW | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 23:17.23 | dwschool | where do i put/create it |
| 23:17.24 | JW | unused devices: <none> |
| 23:17.27 | JW | that's all it says |
| 23:17.41 | enouf | hrm .. do the bootlogd thing |
| 23:18.06 | enouf | JW: wait - it worked PRIOR to you adding the swaps in their own raid1? |
| 23:18.16 | JW | there's no /var/log/boot* |
| 23:18.22 | JW | infac there's no var/log |
| 23:18.23 | enouf | JW: update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.x.x |
| 23:18.30 | enouf | er .. |
| 23:18.37 | JW | enouf: wait I"m getting lost |
| 23:18.44 | enouf | ok - sorry |
| 23:18.47 | JW | enouf: this is the first reboot after the install |
| 23:19.01 | JW | I did the install, it was happy, but then I rebooted like it wants to do |
| 23:19.04 | JW | and now this |
| 23:19.14 | JW | So I can't really ever say for sure that it was happy on it's own |
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| 23:19.23 | JW | though the install DID seem to go ok - no complaints |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | dwschool: in the user's $HOME |
| 23:20.29 | dwschool | so i make a file name .forward cantaining \john, "|/usr/bin/script" |
| 23:21.36 | enouf | JW: did you actually redo the entire reinstall to add these swaps ? |
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| 23:22.13 | abrotman | dwschool: i hope you realize that you point it towards your own script |
| 23:22.20 | enouf | JW: did you have free disk space prior to creating these swap partitions? |
| 23:22.23 | dwschool | i know that |
| 23:22.33 | JW | enouf: sorry I must have convused you an hour ago when I was first talking about it - I'm not even fiddling with trying to fix my old install's swap right now, today I'm working on the initial install of a new server, first time install. |
| 23:22.34 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 23:22.45 | JW | and trying to do it right this time (swap on the RAID volume) |
| 23:22.48 | enouf | JW: oh, ok |
| 23:22.50 | dwschool | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:23.05 | dwschool | u make a guy feel really good about himself lol |
| 23:23.24 | enouf | JW: swap within it's own RAID volume (/ on /dev/md0 and swap on /dev/md1 or similar) |
| 23:23.29 | JW | enouf: I can I reinstall again now, if I need to - or actually I will do it later this evening :-D or tomroow. |
| 23:23.35 | JW | enouf: yes that's what I tried to setup |
| 23:23.38 | enouf | JW: that's cool |
| 23:23.52 | JW | 4 partitions (2 of equal size on each volume) |
| 23:24.06 | enouf | each disk :-P |
| 23:24.18 | JW | 4G swap, combine them as a raid1 volume (I'm sure that was /dev/dm0 just because I did it first) |
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| 23:24.46 | JW | then 32.-something G 2nd partition, combine them as another raid1 volume (I'm sure it was /dev/md1 because I did it last) |
| 23:24.57 | JW | maybe I should have done them in reverse order or something? |
| 23:25.04 | enouf | just slowly review all i and Knorrie have mentioned - take your time |
| 23:25.10 | enouf | no |
| 23:25.35 | JW | enouf: but I can't do half the things you mentioned 'cause the system won't boot :-D |
| 23:26.02 | enouf | JW: livecds are a saviour at times - but .. |
| 23:26.15 | JW | I still have the install CD here which has the rescue system |
| 23:26.23 | JW | I can use that if you want me to try something. |
| 23:26.25 | Knorrie | for later... consider using 1 raid1 for /boot or / and 1 with the rest of the space, with LVM on top |
| 23:26.42 | enouf | JW: sysresccd.org (for one) should have a nice RAID (mdadm) support |
| 23:26.48 | JW | I can make a separate boot, sure. |
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| 23:27.19 | enouf | but /boot isn't the issue, it seems, the kernel did load from grub |
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| 23:27.20 | JW | Knorrie: why LVM ? |
| 23:27.24 | JW | true |
| 23:27.28 | JW | enouf: try |
| 23:27.30 | JW | er, true |
| 23:28.08 | JW | So I guess either fstab or some other config is set wrong? |
| 23:28.12 | Knorrie | JW: so you can add/remove partitions on the fly without having to touch the raid config or reboot |
| 23:28.41 | JW | Knorrie: but this is a one shot static server i will never add/remove partitions later. |
| 23:29.04 | enouf | JW: recall the 'update-initramfs ... ' command? also could try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$KERNVER , but you'd need to boot a livecd, chroot to run it |
| 23:29.08 | JW | Knorrie: like it's just one large / and nothing else |
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| 23:29.38 | enouf | JW: it (LVM) allows you to assign quotas to user's disk usage amounts, etc |
| 23:29.40 | JW | enouf: you did say: update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.x.x but then you said: [18:18] <enouf> er .. |
| 23:29.44 | Knorrie | JW: but you're doing it now? like the swap thing |
| 23:29.47 | JW | as if somethign about it wasn't right |
| 23:30.19 | enouf | JW: i said 'er' likely because of something i just read the _you_ said :-P |
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| 23:30.29 | JW | I don't know anything about LVM and since I don't need quotas, snapshots or dynamic add/removal, I don't see value in spending time on it just right now - maybe some spare time later |
| 23:30.35 | JW | enouf: oh :-) |
| 23:30.38 | Knorrie | yup |
| 23:31.11 | enouf | JW: sure, LVM is just an extra layer on top - and without a larger than 2TB volume - not an issue |
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| 23:31.25 | JW | right - 36 GB SCSI here |
| 23:31.31 | enouf | heh |
| 23:31.38 | JW | enouf: -k 2.6.x.x I assume you mean for me to replace the x.x with a real value |
| 23:31.39 | enouf | 15k? |
| 23:31.45 | enouf | JW: indeed |
| 23:31.48 | JW | 15k - I didn't look |
| 23:31.51 | enouf | JW: uname -r output |
| 23:31.53 | JW | either that or 10 |
| 23:32.20 | dwschool | abrotman - is there anything else i have to do to get the .forward file to work |
| 23:32.23 | enouf | JW: but uname -r from a livecd will NOT be what your installed kernel is - you'd need to chroot prior |
| 23:32.42 | enouf | wait - even then, i think uname -r will report incorrect |
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| 23:32.53 | enouf | you need to look in /boot/vmlinuz |
| 23:32.57 | JW | right. Good luck to me on the chrooting I guess, if this thing is messed up :-D |
| 23:32.59 | enouf | at |
| 23:33.05 | JW | tell you what I'm gong to go eat dinner - bbl. |
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| 23:33.27 | enouf | JW: me too - hopefully soon - this scotch is making me friggin hungry! |
| 23:34.05 | enouf | bah .. wanted to suggest expert mode |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | dwschool: make it a+r ? |
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| 23:36.34 | Black_Phantom | Hello, does Debian powerpc version works on the Ps3 ? |
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| 23:36.49 | ajavid | there is ps3linux |
| 23:36.51 | ajavid | !ps3 |
| 23:36.51 | dpkg | ps3 is, like, a video game console. The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 80gb, with companies currently developing 200gb discs. It utilizes the cell processor, based on a ppc64 with eight vector processing units called SPEs. debian live for ps3 is at http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live -- you can easily try and install Debian GNU/Linux on PS3 with this single CD, or #PS3Linux |
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| 23:37.51 | Black_Phantom | Thanks :) |
| 23:38.24 | Black_Phantom | Does anybody knows a way for increasing the RAM of ps3 or whatsoever for more space ? |
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| 23:38.58 | stickboy | is 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 unstable? |
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| 23:40.51 | enouf | Black_Phantom: /msg dpkg ps3 |
| 23:40.58 | enouf | stickboy: no |
| 23:41.10 | enouf | stickboy: i think there's .30 there now as well |
| 23:41.17 | enouf | stickboy: bpo == backports.org |
| 23:41.23 | adb | dpkg: tell stickboy about bpo |
| 23:41.29 | adb | heh |
| 23:41.39 | enouf | ^fives adb |
| 23:41.49 | enouf | adb: see my message about debirf? |
| 23:42.07 | adb | oh ,no |
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| 23:42.09 | enouf | scroll baby ... WAY WAY up ;-) |
| 23:42.21 | stickboy | ty enouf, adb |
| 23:42.24 | enouf | adb: i did use your /nick though |
| 23:42.53 | enouf | adb: so if highlighting for your nick is on, should be easy to find |
| 23:43.05 | enouf | adb: from like 12 hours ago or more |
| 23:45.05 | adb | enouf: fund it , thanks |
| 23:46.07 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 23:46.55 | ryanCH | i downloaded kwin_3.5.9 and installed it as a package under debian lenny, and now i don't have any desktop effects or any options like that any more ... please help |
| 23:47.09 | ryanCH | what happend? |
| 23:47.20 | enouf | !install kde |
| 23:47.21 | dpkg | For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4> |
| 23:48.22 | ryanCH | i had kde to begin with, with desktop effects until i installed kwin 3.5.9 |
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| 23:48.24 | enouf | ryanCH: maybe you were using compiz prior? |
| 23:48.36 | ryanCH | no i was using kwin |
| 23:48.41 | envirocbr | Any issues with Sparc installation on a netra T1 105? |
| 23:48.42 | enouf | ryanCH: perhaps it changed your default ..ok |
| 23:48.48 | envirocbr | that anyone knows of? |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 23:48.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 23:49.30 | envirocbr | abrotman: Oh...does this mean I wasted my time and CD with teh Sparc installation download? |
| 23:49.32 | ryanCH | youg guys know how there is a "Window style" in the appearance dialog in kde? |
| 23:49.43 | enouf | ryanCH: no idea - try "kcontrol" from a terminal (or K Control Center) | Themes and such |
| 23:49.44 | ryanCH | well that is not there anymore, since |
| 23:49.49 | jelly-home | envirocbr: that machine is old enough that linux should work without many issues |
| 23:50.30 | enouf | ryanCH: since? |
| 23:50.38 | enouf | kde4? |
| 23:50.43 | jelly-home | enouf: I haven't installed debian on it ever, though |
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| 23:50.51 | jelly-home | envirocbr: I haven't installed debian on it ever, though |
| 23:51.06 | enouf | helps jelly-home with his tab-completion |
| 23:51.15 | envirocbr | jelly-home: Thanks, that is why I took it (it was FREE) |
| 23:51.21 | jelly-home | enouf: stop talking that much! |
| 23:51.22 | ryanCH | enouf: since i installed kwin .. but i had kwin installed prior |
| 23:51.30 | envirocbr | enouf: LOL |
| 23:51.51 | enouf | ryanCH: kcontrol is not there since you installed kwin? |
| 23:52.00 | ryanCH | correct |
| 23:52.01 | jelly-home | envirocbr: and that's approximately what it's worth :-D |
| 23:52.09 | envirocbr | LOL |
| 23:52.23 | enouf | ryanCH: run through your update-alternatives --config x-* |
| 23:52.39 | ryanCH | i was trying to install, DeKorator and it said it needed "kwin_3.5.9" so i downloaded the package and installed it .. and this started all happening.. |
| 23:52.41 | enouf | ryanCH: and reinstall the control center stuff if necessary |
| 23:52.51 | enouf | ryanCH: the Factoid told you how |
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| 23:53.27 | enouf | ryanCH: d/l from where? |
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| 23:53.42 | ryanCH | enouf: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kwin |
| 23:53.45 | jelly-home | envirocbr: it's nice to try something other than x86 though |
| 23:53.45 | enouf | apt-get update ; apt-cache search kwin_3.5.9 |
| 23:54.02 | enouf | hrm |
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| 23:54.13 | ryanCH | enouf: i installed the package manually |
| 23:54.14 | envirocbr | jelly-home: Yeah it is |
| 23:54.18 | enouf | judd: depends kwin_3.5.9 |
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| 23:54.33 | envirocbr | This will be my first attempt at Debian |
| 23:54.35 | enouf | ryanCH: you forgot the depends maybe |
| 23:54.40 | envirocbr | I came from mandriva, fedora and CentOS |
| 23:54.41 | enouf | ryanCH: apt-get install -f |
| 23:54.48 | jelly-home | envirocbr: get a proper serial cable for the console :-) |
| 23:54.53 | envirocbr | I still use CentOS, but I thought I would give Debian a try |
| 23:54.59 | ryanCH | enouf: depends? |
| 23:55.03 | enouf | ... |
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| 23:55.15 | envirocbr | jelly-home: I got some cheap ebay crap that doesn't work with CentOS because of ch341 so I have to use Windows and Putty |
| 23:55.49 | enouf | goes off in search of some rare cow ;-) |
| 23:56.43 | envirocbr | rootbsd uses Debian as the host for their Virtual servers, so I figure if it can handle those operations with ease it will suit me fine |
| 23:56.44 | Gun_Smoke | I have a T61 with 4G ram, what would be the better route to go 64 bit or 32 with a bigmem kernel? |
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| 23:57.31 | stickboy | i'm trying to install 4965 Images - for Intel Wireless WiFi 4965AGN microcode but grep \"^FIRMWARE_DIR\" /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent grep: /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent: No such file or directory where should it go? |
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| 23:57.55 | jelly-home | envirocbr: you can also run some *bsd and naturally solaris on that thing |
| 23:58.15 | JTran | I just did a new install and cannot log in. I type in my username and it gives me a message saying "Login Incorrect". Any ideas? |
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| 23:58.43 | jelly-home | JTran: without asking you for a password? |
| 23:58.47 | Gun_Smoke | JTran: try a fat finger combo and then fix it. |
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| 23:59.35 | Gun_Smoke | JTran: or, drop to a different tty and login as root add a new user |
| 23:59.45 | JTran | I cannot even log in as root |
| 23:59.49 | JTran | That's the weird part of it all |
| 23:59.58 | Gun_Smoke | JTran: not at gdm no |
| 23:59.59 | adb | dpkg: tell stickboy about 4965 |
