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| 00:00.59 | jetscreamer | somebody fix my sound |
| 00:01.09 | jetscreamer | and be quick about it |
| 00:01.15 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 00:02.10 | anewbie | jetscreamer, try man alsa |
| 00:02.21 | jetscreamer | they may cache the available list in different places, no idea |
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| 00:02.36 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && aptitude update , then test |
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| 00:03.23 | XAVeRY | why is Debian ignoring some of the lines in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 00:03.35 | XAVeRY | I put some modules in there that I don't want to be loaded and yet they still are loaded at boottime. |
| 00:04.08 | anewbie | hmm i wonder can aptitude install syslinux make a damage to my system |
| 00:04.16 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 00:04.16 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist'. |
| 00:04.16 | anewbie | it ... start to remove .... strange thinks |
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| 00:04.25 | XAVeRY | oh. |
| 00:04.29 | XAVeRY | thank you jetscreamer |
| 00:04.31 | anewbie | ... i am worried and confused |
| 00:04.33 | jetscreamer | hth |
| 00:04.39 | XAVeRY | anewbie: no. |
| 00:04.45 | mhoney_home | how do I add a user to a group from the command line? |
| 00:04.48 | jetscreamer | anewbie: no it can't |
| 00:04.54 | jetscreamer | adduser username groupname |
| 00:05.03 | mhoney_home | thank you |
| 00:05.38 | jetscreamer | anewbie: you should check 'conflicts with' before installing stuff |
| 00:05.54 | techouse | mhoney_home: or edit /etc/group |
| 00:06.26 | jetscreamer | doesn't say 'man aptitude' :p |
| 00:06.27 | anewbie | hmm yes |
| 00:06.36 | anewbie | but now i have another strange problem |
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| 00:06.38 | techouse | anewbie: aptitude told you what it was gonna do before you hit Y |
| 00:06.46 | jetscreamer | true |
| 00:07.03 | anewbie | Imagandi-mob:/dev# syslinux /dev/sdb |
| 00:07.03 | anewbie | bash: syslinux: command not found |
| 00:07.07 | jetscreamer | it can't be 'that' strange |
| 00:07.13 | anewbie | why happend that i just install syslinux |
| 00:07.35 | jetscreamer | !info syslinux |
| 00:08.07 | anewbie | jetscreamer, eggie dont answer ? |
| 00:08.13 | dpkg | syslinux: (utilities for the syslinux bootloaders), section utils, is optional. Version: 2:3.75+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 00:08.30 | mhoney_home | im trying to make /var/www r+w for the group webadmin so I dis chown -R mhoney:webadmin * on the directory and then chmod -R g+wr * to the files in that dir but it still wont let me create a new file with my user. any hints? |
| 00:08.41 | anewbie | jetscreamer, that dont help me much |
| 00:08.41 | anewbie | ? |
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| 00:09.42 | jetscreamer | well first i have to learn http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/The_Syslinux_Project |
| 00:09.50 | SQlvpapir | "I am a long time Gentoo user, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I believe that as hardware gets faster, it makes sense to migrate to a largely source-based Linux system. Binary packages encourage inconsistency and incompatibility, whearas source encourages unified development frameworks and integration." |
| 00:09.55 | adb | mhoney_home: logout/login ? |
| 00:10.33 | jetscreamer | http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX |
| 00:10.36 | mhoney_home | did that... is there something called a sticky bit I need to set for the webadmin group so that the group owns the dir? |
| 00:10.44 | XAVeRY | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:10.44 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 00:11.22 | jetscreamer | anewbie: try updatedb && locate syslinux |
| 00:12.06 | jetscreamer | if it's in /boot/syslinux it's 'probably' not in your path ... or if your path was amended, you'd need to source .bashrc or gdm's config or whatever |
| 00:12.25 | jetscreamer | or do the windowsthing, logoutlogin |
| 00:12.29 | themill | or "hash -r" |
| 00:12.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:12.38 | jetscreamer | listen to the pro |
| 00:12.42 | jetscreamer | knows nothing |
| 00:12.47 | themill | wild stab in the dark... |
| 00:12.53 | anewbie | daamn |
| 00:13.14 | anewbie | jetscreamer, i dont recive output from updatedb && locate syslinux |
| 00:13.17 | anewbie | ... ? |
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| 00:13.34 | themill | then you've most likely not installed it... |
| 00:13.43 | jetscreamer | you mean nothing, or it's taking a long time |
| 00:13.55 | jetscreamer | or did it say file not found |
| 00:14.00 | anewbie | first take a long time and that nothing |
| 00:14.09 | jetscreamer | locate isn't installed by default anymore is it |
| 00:14.10 | anewbie | Imagandi-mob:/dev# updatedb && locate syslinux |
| 00:14.10 | anewbie | Imagandi-mob:/dev# |
| 00:14.28 | anewbie | themill, this is imposible |
| 00:14.34 | anewbie | i can show aptitude output |
| 00:14.35 | anewbie | ... |
| 00:14.39 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 00:14.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste. |
| 00:14.51 | jetscreamer | you get autokicked for <3 |
| 00:14.53 | maunix | Hi people. Upgrading my debian lenny testing amd-64, it seems that something went wrong. I have grub 1.97 and when trying to boot it does not find the initrd. Anyone can point me a solution? may be via the debian livecd or something like that? thanks in advance. |
| 00:14.58 | jetscreamer | err >3 |
| 00:15.38 | jetscreamer | what did you upgrade |
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| 00:15.52 | anewbie | hmm |
| 00:15.53 | anewbie | wait |
| 00:15.56 | anewbie | i am wrong |
| 00:15.59 | anewbie | verry wrong |
| 00:16.10 | jetscreamer | we are never wrong |
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| 00:16.24 | jetscreamer | i've never been wrong.. the mill has never been wrong |
| 00:16.26 | maunix | jetscreamer are you talking to me? |
| 00:16.28 | jetscreamer | and the sky is green |
| 00:16.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 00:16.52 | jetscreamer | yes, what did you upgrade |
| 00:17.00 | anewbie | :) i am just one sleepy bastard aptitude dont found syslinux in the repos and just remove few packages |
| 00:17.18 | anewbie | can some one tell me repo that i can install syslinux from there |
| 00:17.26 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 00:17.26 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 00:17.27 | maunix | jetscreamer i upgraded the kernel. i had one compiled by myself. then i saw that the grub was 1.97 although debian was telling me that i have grub 1.0 installed. so i unchecked the grub 1.0 packages and checked the 1.97 ones. |
| 00:17.55 | dondelelcaro | anewbie: it's in main, so yes, you can just aptitude install syslinux; assuming you're actually using Debian. |
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| 00:18.02 | jetscreamer | maunix: you compiled a kernel and installed it and rebooted and you get this error? |
| 00:18.10 | gravity | sees it in unstable |
| 00:18.20 | jetscreamer | apt-cache showed it |
| 00:18.29 | anewbie | dondelelcaro, i use debian but i have eeepc repository's |
| 00:18.33 | anewbie | i must add the maiin debian |
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| 00:18.40 | maunix | jetscreamer no. I have one kernel that was compiled by myself. I had problems with the nvidia driver so i deleted that one and downloaded a official kernel from debian repositories. |
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| 00:18.48 | maunix | jetscreamer everything was ok , i could boot. |
| 00:18.49 | dondelelcaro | uh... there is no eeepc reposiotry that's actually Debian |
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| 00:19.14 | jetscreamer | everything was ok with your compiled kernel but the new debian one won't boot |
| 00:19.20 | maunix | jetscreamer: then i had checked the grub 1.0 on synaptic so i unchecked it and checked the 1.97 . |
| 00:19.23 | anewbie | dondelelcaro, deb http://eeepc.debian.net/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:19.38 | jetscreamer | debian.net ? |
| 00:19.40 | maunix | jetscreamer i could boot with the official kernel. |
| 00:19.59 | maunix | jetscreamer the problem is in grub. while working with it i did something wrong. |
| 00:20.08 | jetscreamer | maunix: i noticed a nice make-kpkg --initrd doesn't make an initrd |
| 00:20.10 | maunix | jetscreamer that was about 2 or 3 boots after. |
| 00:20.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 00:20.44 | themill | dondelelcaro: we're seeing quite a few people with that sources.list line and without a main mirror of late. There must be some howto out there that's giving them the eeepc team's repo but not a main repo. |
| 00:21.12 | maunix | jetscreamer so grub 1.97 can't find my linux herkel... i read on a forum that its because it adds a search command prior to the initrd. i deleted that line and i could boot, but after that i reboot and i can but anylonger |
| 00:21.15 | gravity | wonders if it's an eeepc debian installer doing it |
| 00:21.23 | jetscreamer | maunix: when grub is booting, hit c for a grub prompt ... set the root , then either load the vmlinuz and initrd manually, or point the configfile directive at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:21.26 | themill | gravity: also possible.... ;( |
| 00:21.50 | jetscreamer | or instead of c, you can hit e to edit |
| 00:22.06 | jetscreamer | duh.. configfile would be dumb |
| 00:22.16 | jetscreamer | load the same menu |
| 00:22.18 | anewbie | gee |
| 00:22.25 | anewbie | i add this one to sources.list |
| 00:22.26 | anewbie | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:22.26 | anewbie | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:22.36 | maunix | jetscreamer how can i load initrd manually? it says its not there. |
| 00:22.51 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.org is a lot faster, anewbie |
| 00:22.55 | jetscreamer | nowadays |
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| 00:23.18 | anewbie | gee |
| 00:23.28 | anewbie | in that one aptitude says there is no syslinux too |
| 00:23.44 | anewbie | i will try wit http://mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:23.54 | jetscreamer | maunix: in the grubshell, you do the root command root (hd0,0) for instance, then you load the kernel.. kernel /boot/vmlinuz-whatever .. then initrd /boot/initrdwhatever ... tab complete is your friend |
| 00:24.13 | jetscreamer | aptitude update anewbie |
| 00:24.26 | maunix | jetscreamer thanks. i'll try that |
| 00:24.30 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 00:24.45 | anewbie | aaa ... |
| 00:24.48 | anewbie | i start downloading |
| 00:24.56 | jetscreamer | it would be kernel /boot/vmlinuzwhatever root=/dev/hda1 ro ... or /dev/whatever |
| 00:24.56 | anewbie | ctrl + z |
| 00:24.56 | anewbie | ? |
| 00:25.31 | jetscreamer | my stupid sound doesn't work |
| 00:26.00 | anewbie | ALLLRIGHT :) we have syslinux on board |
| 00:26.00 | anewbie | :D |
| 00:26.35 | jetscreamer | oh hey mr gravity how do i enable 3d accell for an ati pci-e x300 .. i just mean what do i look at ... dri? fglrx? my ati-fu is weak |
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| 00:27.11 | jetscreamer | or a link |
| 00:28.07 | jetscreamer | s/grav/anybody/. |
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| 00:28.44 | anewbie | hmm |
| 00:28.54 | pipeline | jetscreamer: you suffer |
| 00:29.03 | adb | !tell jetscreamer about fglrx |
| 00:29.03 | pipeline | jetscreamer: fgrlx is slow. radeonhd is unaccelerated. |
| 00:29.25 | pipeline | jetscreamer: you may want to use radeonhd just to spare yourself the pain, since fglrx is so uselessly slow anyway, you might as well not have acceleration. |
| 00:30.27 | anewbie | aa boys now i found missmatch between the tutorial for netinstallation and the files in the ftp |
| 00:30.28 | anewbie | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/gtk/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 00:30.28 | jetscreamer | i tried to 'just run' quake .... after a clean install of debian |
| 00:30.37 | anewbie | or i must use linux file |
| 00:30.38 | jetscreamer | wheeeeee |
| 00:30.40 | anewbie | for vmlinuz |
| 00:30.40 | anewbie | ? |
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| 00:31.10 | pipeline | jetscreamer: run with software renderer :0 |
| 00:31.23 | anewbie | or i must found vmlinuz from elsewhere ? |
| 00:31.26 | jetscreamer | pipeline: i love your enthusiasm for ati |
| 00:31.44 | jetscreamer | anewbie: i don't know what you're typing aobut |
| 00:31.46 | jetscreamer | aobut |
| 00:31.50 | jetscreamer | ddhlfhasd;lf |
| 00:31.55 | jetscreamer | a b o u t |
| 00:31.57 | anewbie | jetscreamer, i try to make netinstall from fdd |
| 00:31.58 | anewbie | ... |
| 00:32.11 | jetscreamer | what do you need, /boot/vmlinuz ? |
| 00:32.14 | pipeline | jetscreamer: I have ati graphics in my work laptop. The suffering is considerable. All the intel guys have wobbly windows and shit, gloating at me ;) |
| 00:32.18 | jetscreamer | or a .deb |
| 00:32.25 | pingouin | can i use the same "swap" partition beetween an debian 32 bit lenny and another debian amd64 lenny installed on another hd ? (the amd64 lenny is sdbxx, and the 32b swap is on sdaxx) |
| 00:32.30 | anewbie | i read the tutorial and he says compy vmlinuz and initrd.gz on the stick |
| 00:32.38 | anewbie | and i can found vmlinuz in gtk folder |
| 00:32.49 | jetscreamer | pingouin: afaik you can ... not at the same time though ... probably |
| 00:32.50 | anewbie | where i must found the files for gui installation |
| 00:32.51 | dkr | pingouin: dual booting? yes |
| 00:32.57 | jetscreamer | i do it all the time dual booting stuff |
| 00:33.26 | pingouin | jetscreamer dkr yes dual boot with grub chainloader in the debian lenny 32 bit |
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| 00:33.48 | pingouin | thanks for your anwser i was not sure i can do that |
| 00:34.10 | anewbie | hmm jetscreamer i must use linux for vmlinuz ? |
| 00:34.19 | anewbie | sorry guys but this is my first netinstallation |
| 00:34.20 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 00:34.32 | jetscreamer | i don't understand |
| 00:34.37 | jetscreamer | use linux? |
| 00:34.37 | anewbie | from where i must get vmlinunz tto make netinstallation with gui |
| 00:34.47 | anewbie | the linux file in gtk folder |
| 00:34.55 | jetscreamer | just d/l the .iso and burn it to cd? |
| 00:35.07 | jetscreamer | or do the hdmedia install for a usb stick? |
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| 00:35.22 | anewbie | ...no cd rom |
| 00:35.24 | anewbie | small stick |
| 00:35.28 | adb | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 00:35.31 | anewbie | netinstallation is the thing that i need |
| 00:35.35 | justin | anewbie: forget about the gui |
| 00:36.06 | jetscreamer | guiinstaller sucks imo.. course i haven't tried it in 9 months ... it suck for nvidia... sloooooow |
| 00:36.16 | jetscreamer | textmode baybee |
| 00:36.43 | justin | it is irrelevant. the gui installer as the same steps and asks the same questions as the normal installer |
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| 00:36.55 | anewbie | hmm |
| 00:36.59 | anewbie | ok then |
| 00:37.02 | jetscreamer | justin: the drawing of the gui is slow |
| 00:37.09 | jetscreamer | painfully |
| 00:37.25 | jetscreamer | or was |
| 00:37.33 | jetscreamer | like i said, it's been a long time |
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| 00:37.44 | anewbie | grrrr |
| 00:37.44 | anewbie | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 00:37.48 | anewbie | here is no vmlinuz too |
| 00:37.48 | anewbie | ? |
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| 00:37.51 | anewbie | wtf ? |
| 00:38.00 | jetscreamer | .iso , at a guess |
| 00:38.13 | anewbie | nope |
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| 00:38.22 | anewbie | FilenameTimeSize |
| 00:38.23 | anewbie | [F] initrd.gz23:16 11-04-095891149 |
| 00:38.23 | anewbie | [F] linux23:16 11-04-091467952 |
| 00:38.23 | anewbie | [F] pxelinux.0 |
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| 00:38.32 | anewbie | sorry |
| 00:38.44 | octoserver | i was tryig to compille something and i got an error checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 00:38.53 | octoserver | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 00:39.03 | octoserver | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 00:39.14 | jetscreamer | looks like yes, linux would be the kernel .. vmlinuz usually, but not this one it seems |
| 00:39.20 | octoserver | is there something I should pass to configure ? |
| 00:39.36 | jetscreamer | did you instal the kde -dev stuff? |
| 00:39.44 | dkr | octoserver: did you install kde-dev packages? |
| 00:39.59 | octoserver | ohhhh, i seee, maybe not |
| 00:40.03 | octoserver | ill check |
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| 00:40.21 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde |grep -dev for a really really long list i bet |
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| 00:40.47 | anewbie | gee |
| 00:40.48 | octoserver | i did not install kde-dev thanks |
| 00:40.52 | dkr | install kde-devel it's a metapackage that will grab the others |
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| 00:41.02 | anewbie | i can't found it |
| 00:41.14 | anewbie | this step 4.3.2.2. Adding the installer image |
| 00:41.24 | anewbie | where i am supposed to find the correct vmlinuz |
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| 00:41.46 | jetscreamer | looks like yes, linux would be the kernel .. named vmlinuz usually, but not this one it seems |
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| 00:42.03 | anewbie | is there will be a problem if i renamed it |
| 00:42.04 | anewbie | ? |
| 00:42.11 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 00:42.42 | octoserver | actaully, ill install kde-devel instead lol since aptitude wants to be so picky ! imagine the nerve, not finishing my typeing for me. |
| 00:42.45 | jetscreamer | i would guess, and let me repeat guess, no no problem as long as you edit stuff correctly |
| 00:42.49 | anewbie | gee that is confusing in tha past i think that the debian documentation its allways up to date |
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| 00:43.12 | jetscreamer | blame the kernel dev |
| 00:43.14 | jetscreamer | i do |
| 00:43.23 | jetscreamer | !blame kernel dev |
| 00:43.23 | dpkg | blames smeea_ and kernel dev for all the evil in the world |
| 00:43.30 | jetscreamer | see? dpkg agrees |
| 00:43.34 | jetscreamer | it must be true |
| 00:43.35 | anewbie | !blame kernel dev |
| 00:43.35 | dpkg | blames ekix and kernel dev for the end of culture as we know it |
| 00:43.45 | anewbie | kernel devs i BLAME u duudes :D |
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| 00:43.59 | lip_skip_vt | hi |
| 00:44.05 | jetscreamer | (actually, only i am allowed to blame the devs) |
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| 00:44.15 | jetscreamer | i'm part bot |
| 00:44.38 | anewbie | tell those guys that i blame them too |
| 00:44.56 | anewbie | and what is pxelinux.0 |
| 00:44.56 | anewbie | ? |
| 00:44.57 | jetscreamer | no i have to form objective opinions |
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| 00:45.00 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 00:45.07 | jetscreamer | pxe booting? |
| 00:45.16 | anewbie | dunno |
| 00:45.18 | jetscreamer | aka netboot the computer |
| 00:45.24 | anewbie | a |
| 00:45.28 | anewbie | grrrr |
| 00:45.30 | jetscreamer | you know, 'boot from network' |
| 00:45.50 | jetscreamer | got windows? |
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| 00:46.03 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:46.09 | jetscreamer | installer |
| 00:46.29 | justin | all he needs to do is take the mini.iso and dump it on the flash drive |
| 00:46.36 | justin | there are scripts to do that these days |
| 00:46.41 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 00:46.54 | jetscreamer | actually i tried that once |
| 00:46.58 | jetscreamer | didn't work out for me |
| 00:47.06 | jetscreamer | blames himself |
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| 00:47.24 | jetscreamer | or the memstick |
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| 00:47.52 | jetscreamer | i finally got it to boot dos though ... the disk identifier was messed up.. it might work now |
| 00:48.45 | sepult | why are msdn sites not scrollable in konqueror ? |
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| 00:49.30 | lotharn | does firefox use smp properly? |
| 00:49.45 | sepult | but in mozilla ? |
| 00:50.00 | sepult | is that due to java again ? |
| 00:50.19 | sepult | or nsplugins not used properly by konqueror ? |
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| 00:50.50 | gravity | jetscreamer: I don't know off the top of my head |
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| 00:51.46 | unomi | If I have a plain old pentium4-HT the best virtual machine solution would be? virtualbox-ose ? |
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| 00:52.21 | anewbie | OHHH YEAH BABY ROCK AND ROLLL |
| 00:52.22 | anewbie | :D |
| 00:52.29 | anewbie | we are here and installing the system |
| 00:52.29 | anewbie | :D |
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| 00:53.18 | anewbie | HO HO HO :D |
| 00:53.33 | psheldr | um |
| 00:53.36 | psheldr | installing what? |
| 00:54.32 | anewbie | debian gnu linux codname lenny vie usbstick directly from the :) global network |
| 00:54.32 | anewbie | :D |
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| 00:55.12 | simNIX | unetbotin is handy to setup usb IMHO |
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| 00:55.24 | simNIX | *unetbootin |
| 00:56.06 | joaop | after yesterday upgrade i dont have sound system anymore, somebody can help me ? already tried to remove and add the sound modules but nothing worked yet.. |
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| 00:56.39 | jetscreamer | define upgrade |
| 00:56.47 | joaop | apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:57.03 | jetscreamer | but what did it upgrade |
| 00:57.12 | joaop | a lot of packages :D |
| 00:57.28 | chris_goe | anyone using losetup(8) in sid? |
| 00:57.31 | jetscreamer | my sound doesn't work at all |
| 00:57.53 | chris_goe | it's not working at all...just prints out the usage text...no matter what args supplied |
| 00:57.53 | jetscreamer | fresh install, upgraded to sid, then installed >base system |
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| 00:59.12 | chris_goe | jetscreamer: how are you using sound? alsa? oss? ...? |
| 01:00.23 | joaop | using alsa |
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| 01:02.06 | roe | anyone know where to look for "System proxy" settings in lenny? iceweasel is configured to use "system settings" in the proxy tab |
| 01:03.13 | damasceno | roe, well... |
| 01:03.21 | damasceno | configure in gnome: |
| 01:03.21 | jetscreamer | alsa. all required modules seem to be loaded. alsa starts fine. sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav 'doesn't work'. i'm suspecting that digital output is enabled by default. Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:03.36 | damasceno | network proxy, in menu System |
| 01:03.49 | damasceno | before... |
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| 01:03.55 | damasceno | configure in iceweasel... |
| 01:03.59 | damasceno | and, that's work here. |
| 01:04.01 | roe | damasceno, thanks |
| 01:04.02 | damasceno | :) |
| 01:04.13 | anewbie | guys how many diskspace i will need for /usr |
| 01:04.16 | anewbie | 26GB |
| 01:04.19 | anewbie | enough ? |
| 01:04.32 | adb | 5 GB |
| 01:04.38 | adb | max |
| 01:05.09 | anewbie | 10x :) |
| 01:05.11 | adb | even for / |
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| 01:05.22 | jetscreamer | the gimp does pdf |
| 01:05.35 | jetscreamer | 640k is more than enough |
| 01:06.53 | anewbie | ... /tmp 15 g ? |
| 01:07.03 | centHOGG | heh |
| 01:07.11 | centHOGG | in a stupid way |
| 01:07.35 | jetscreamer | one page at a time it seems.. the first one |
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| 01:08.03 | justin | anewbie: uhhh what are you doing? why are you makign so many partitions? |
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| 01:08.25 | worr | justin: makes sense |
| 01:08.26 | jetscreamer | why bother is my motto |
| 01:08.27 | worr | I do it |
| 01:08.33 | anewbie | i want to separate the system |
| 01:08.40 | jetscreamer | ok then do it |
| 01:08.47 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 01:08.51 | worr | I do it so I can mount /tmp and /var as noexec |
| 01:08.51 | anewbie | ... i found it for more stable way to dont have low space problems |
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| 01:08.55 | worr | and /usr as o |
| 01:08.56 | jetscreamer | there's a partitioning guide or so |
| 01:08.58 | worr | *ro |
| 01:09.24 | justin | anewbie: yet you don't have a clue how big the partitions should be |
| 01:09.35 | justin | anewbie: just make / and /home |
| 01:10.08 | anewbie | .... damn |
| 01:10.10 | adb | justin: agree ;) |
| 01:10.10 | anewbie | too late |
| 01:10.11 | anewbie | :( |
| 01:10.19 | adb | reinstall |
| 01:10.25 | ghang_ | Invalid OpenGL driver (sent by pid 3)or: Segmentation Fault Crash log saved to /tmp/crashlog_root (hi , what should i do when i saw a message like that ? reinstall a Nvidia Driver ? or find a OpenGL head folder ? or etc ??) |
| 01:10.32 | anewbie | you think that this can be fatal ? |
| 01:10.53 | adb | no but is stupid |
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| 01:13.06 | adb | !kiss |
| 01:13.06 | dpkg | somebody said kiss was Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 01:13.54 | simNIX | les compelxity les things that can go wrong / be sucurity prob |
| 01:15.08 | superlinux | simNIX: hi mate! |
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| 01:15.31 | simNIX | hiya superlinux |
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| 01:16.19 | superlinux | i am wondering whether bittorrent can be cached? something like squid? |
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| 01:17.23 | simNIX | guesing not and dont understand why you would want that - great part of torents is I think that any downloader gets diferent pieces so they can swap and be uploaders also ... |
| 01:17.29 | gewt | i don't like KISS |
| 01:17.32 | superlinux | simNIX: do you know anything about that? |
| 01:17.34 | gewt | he simple way is boring. |
| 01:17.43 | centHOGG | Detroit Rock City |
| 01:17.47 | superlinux | or anyone else knows? |
| 01:17.48 | simNIX | that freedom of choice ;0) |
| 01:17.58 | simNIX | *thats |
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| 01:19.05 | jetscreamer | ah ok if i want 3d i have to use fglrx |
| 01:19.20 | simNIX | superlinux, if you elaberate why you want increases the chance someone knows piece that fits... |
| 01:19.55 | simNIX | why do you want to cache torrents ? |
| 01:20.40 | simNIX | do you just want a local seeder or something completely diferent ? to litle info lets peole guesing or reading on ... |
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| 01:21.37 | superlinux | well .. same reason with http caches |
| 01:21.37 | superlinux | simNIX: I just asked whether that can be configured in someway or another, irregardless of details |
| 01:22.04 | superlinux | cos i , myself, just use bittorrent as a client |
| 01:22.09 | superlinux | never served it |
| 01:22.20 | simNIX | a client serves also .. |
| 01:22.24 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 01:22.31 | centHOGG | i thought that was the whole deal |
| 01:22.39 | superlinux | simNIX: i think u know what i meant.. |
| 01:22.42 | simNIX | ... half the solution to a question is a clear question - ) |
| 01:22.54 | superlinux | but .. |
| 01:22.55 | simNIX | im reading on - tc |
| 01:23.25 | superlinux | just cos i am an I.T guy.. the idea poped up in mymind |
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| 01:23.32 | superlinux | just cos i am an I.T guy.. the idea popped up in my mind |
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| 01:24.14 | simNIX | I asume the idea poped up with a goal ? |
| 01:24.27 | simNIX | as in ; whats the gain your looking for ? |
| 01:24.29 | CaT[t3] | hey folks. is there a util I can use to install something on an mbr to tell bios to boot off some other drive? |
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| 01:24.43 | simNIX | grub ? |
| 01:25.02 | chris_goe | "telling the BIOS"...um, like editing /dev/nvram? |
| 01:25.02 | superlinux | well in australia they do download size limits |
| 01:25.03 | centHOGG | maybe a bootmanager |
| 01:25.05 | simNIX | or oldschool lilio - ) |
| 01:25.26 | superlinux | so i said caching should be cool to do |
| 01:25.31 | superlinux | or to have |
| 01:25.32 | CaT[t3] | yeah. tempted with lilo. just wondering if there's a better way |
| 01:26.00 | asg | CaT[t3]: the BIOS invokes the mbr on the device that is chosen for boot. There is nothing the mbr can do to influence the BIOS. |
| 01:26.01 | simNIX | if i would wanna cache a torrent I would setup a local seeder eather public or not |
| 01:26.03 | chris_goe | CaT[t3]: telling the MBR, yes - a bootloader would do. |
| 01:26.26 | CaT[t3] | curses. |
| 01:26.33 | jetscreamer | they have those cd's that boot anything |
| 01:26.34 | simNIX | grub = easyer then lilo .. |
| 01:27.08 | CaT[t3] | was hoping for something that just said 'look at some other mbr you fool' |
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| 01:27.24 | jetscreamer | you mean like ... grub ... |
| 01:27.27 | CaT[t3] | rather then that mbr being used as the boot config. |
| 01:27.29 | simNIX | yup :) |
| 01:27.50 | simNIX | then just tell bios to boot of other dik and grub that ? |
| 01:27.55 | simNIX | *disk |
| 01:27.57 | jetscreamer | grub will be happy to boot some other hd |
| 01:27.59 | superlinux | simNIX: therefore, in that way it will be ,as if, another client, isn't? |
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| 01:28.14 | CaT[t3] | sim: unfortunately the boot order in the bios is set in stone and some moron decided to put usb hd infront of local hd |
| 01:28.20 | jetscreamer | it will even make the os on the other hd think it's first in the chain |
| 01:28.48 | chris_goe | CaT[t3]: on a sparc machine, you can modify your PROM ("bios") quite easily, thus having it to boot off another disk. |
| 01:28.52 | CaT[t3] | jetscreamer: hmmm. this sounds like a certain kind of fun. |
| 01:28.58 | simNIX | superlinux, as another seed, not braking the everyone gets diferent part and can exchange it |
| 01:29.03 | jetscreamer | CaT[t3]: the map directive |
| 01:29.08 | jetscreamer | info grub |
| 01:29.18 | jetscreamer | apt-get instal grub-doc if you haven't |
| 01:29.21 | jetscreamer | l |
| 01:29.23 | CaT[t3] | yuck. info. *grumbles off into docland* |
| 01:29.36 | jetscreamer | there's an example in menu.lst iirc |
| 01:29.40 | superlinux | simNIX: ok. that's fine |
| 01:29.54 | simNIX | CaT[t3], beter then; this option is greyed out ;0) |
| 01:30.06 | jetscreamer | no not of the map directive |
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| 01:30.11 | CaT[t3] | simnix: not as good as man grub :) |
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| 01:30.38 | simNIX | superlinux, and that way if someone is in your lan with a box downloading from that seed should pe perfect :) |
| 01:30.49 | simNIX | cool :) |
| 01:31.49 | justin | superlinux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive_network_Provider_Participation_for_P2P |
| 01:32.31 | jetscreamer | #map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 01:32.31 | jetscreamer | #map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 01:32.36 | anewbie | damn why those installer dont ask me for my prefered gui |
| 01:32.39 | jetscreamer | sans # |
| 01:32.40 | anewbie | i dont like those gnome |
| 01:32.57 | jetscreamer | don't choose desktop |
| 01:33.11 | simNIX | thats why there's free choice - ) |
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| 01:33.20 | jetscreamer | or see the 'install other desktops' option, as seen in the installation manual, iirc |
| 01:33.40 | anewbie | ... hmm maybe i skip them whatever |
| 01:33.47 | anewbie | i will make several time aptitude purge :D |
| 01:33.56 | jetscreamer | i always take the x's off in tasksel.. all of them |
| 01:34.01 | anewbie | ant the puny gnome will go somewhere else |
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| 01:34.03 | jetscreamer | then install what i want later |
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| 01:35.04 | jetscreamer | i don't want ati. i don't want to put my sblive in and turn off the snd__hda |
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| 01:35.22 | jetscreamer | i don't want to jack with it |
| 01:35.28 | jetscreamer | goes away |
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| 01:37.44 | anewbie | aaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:37.48 | anewbie | damn what have i done |
| 01:37.54 | anewbie | i install mbr on the fdd |
| 01:37.55 | anewbie | ... |
| 01:37.59 | anewbie | or something like that |
| 01:38.24 | simNIX | its getting 2 late ? |
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| 01:38.40 | anewbie | simNIX, got damn right |
| 01:38.46 | anewbie | i will continue this tomoorow |
| 01:38.53 | simNIX | saver option ... |
| 01:38.56 | anewbie | have a nice evening duudes |
| 01:39.02 | simNIX | goognight |
| 01:39.08 | simNIX | *goodnight |
| 01:39.11 | centHOGG | heh |
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| 01:39.37 | joaop | there's some way to see wich packages was installed/upgraded in last upgrade ? |
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| 01:40.42 | ajavid | hi |
| 01:40.52 | centHOGG | joaop: hi, well do you have synaptic instlalled (the quick way) |
| 01:41.08 | centHOGG | a quick way |
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| 01:41.21 | centHOGG | hi g |
| 01:41.39 | chris_goe | joaop: does /var/log/dpkg.log hold the information you're loooking for? |
| 01:41.41 | ajavid | for some reason everytime I go anywhere on the interwebs it always takes a few seconds to do a name lookup, even if I just go to google.com it will first try to look it up, then if i go there a minute later again or refresh, same thing, looking up google |
| 01:41.44 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 01:41.46 | ajavid | this is weird |
| 01:41.52 | ajavid | dns is not being cached at all |
| 01:42.27 | ajavid | and im positive dnsmasq is installed |
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| 01:43.23 | adb | remove interwebs, maybe ? |
| 01:43.24 | centHOGG | ajavid: so did you restart/reboot (daemon or system) |
| 01:43.58 | joaop | chris_goe, tks |
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| 01:45.26 | ajavid | centHOGG, I didn't |
| 01:45.31 | enouf | ajavid: your browser sucks ass |
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| 01:45.42 | ajavid | enouf, well |
| 01:45.49 | ajavid | some people like having their salad tossed |
| 01:45.57 | centHOGG | ajavid: yeah, my experience with dnsmasq is that it works ok but sometimes on that router I will have to restart |
| 01:46.03 | ajavid | I see |
| 01:46.11 | centHOGG | just a tik |
| 01:46.17 | enouf | many sites suck ass too - but google's front page should load like it's internal |
| 01:46.17 | JrHacker | Anyone with experience/suggestions getting a Cisco Airport 350 series wireless card working on etch ppc? I've spent a lot of time googling, tried the Cisco drivers as well as enabling the Airport card drivers built-in to etch ppc... no luck. |
| 01:46.35 | centHOGG | also many dns hackers suck ass too |
| 01:46.54 | asg | JrHacker: have you asked #debianppc? |
| 01:47.04 | JrHacker | Ahh, sweet. |
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| 01:47.10 | JrHacker | Thanks asg. |
| 01:47.16 | justin | JrHacker: there is no such thing as a 'cisco airport' |
| 01:47.33 | centHOGG | yeah I think you are right justin |
| 01:47.41 | ajavid | lol |
| 01:47.42 | justin | JrHacker: there is such a thing as a 'cisco aironet' card |
| 01:47.48 | JrHacker | Heh, that's it :P |
| 01:47.54 | JrHacker | Sorry, been a while since I worked on this problem |
| 01:48.01 | centHOGG | <imac G3 in garage |
| 01:48.18 | JrHacker | powerbook g3++ |
| 01:48.22 | justin | if its an old aironet card use the airo driver, the newer ones are atheros cards |
| 01:48.23 | enouf | ajavid: what extra uneeded crap is running? and does wget connect quickly? |
| 01:48.41 | enouf | ajavid: lsof -i -n ; netstat -tunap |
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| 01:49.38 | enouf | JrHacker: fwiw - the debian-powerpc<at>lists.debian.org is a good list |
| 01:50.09 | JrHacker | justin: it's a 350 series, so I think that'd qualify as "older" |
| 01:50.42 | enouf | G3 are 'new world' at the least. IINM |
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| 01:51.07 | JrHacker | enouf: thanks, I'll check out the list. |
| 01:51.40 | enouf | wait .. is that what centHOGG has or you JrHacker ? (and you're welcome) |
| 01:51.52 | centHOGG | <G3 Imac |
| 01:52.04 | centHOGG | 400mhz |
| 01:52.05 | JrHacker | I'm the PB G3 |
| 01:52.06 | centHOGG | :P |
| 01:52.10 | JrHacker | 333mhz :P |
| 01:52.15 | enouf | ok |
| 01:52.29 | centHOGG | JrHacker: ever think about buying a better apple? |
| 01:52.40 | centHOGG | I might spend |
| 01:52.56 | enouf | i have an old world powerpc series 7300/200 i can't even give away .. 200MHz/50FSB |
| 01:53.02 | centHOGG | double digits |
| 01:53.12 | centHOGG | yeah I got 4 old worlders |
| 01:53.15 | JrHacker | So much money... |
| 01:53.18 | amphi | enouf: os8? ;) |
| 01:53.18 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 01:53.32 | JrHacker | I pieced this thing together from a few donated G3s |
| 01:53.39 | enouf | amphi: how'd you guess! .. it came with 8 .. now it's got 9 |
| 01:53.55 | JrHacker | bought a new PMU battery... it's a good little box |
| 01:53.59 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 01:54.07 | amphi | the horror... |
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| 01:54.24 | enouf | centHOGG: want another system? free? how far are you from me? :-P |
| 01:54.28 | centHOGG | ha |
| 01:54.41 | centHOGG | just stacking them up here :) |
| 01:54.46 | enouf | it's loaded .. at the least :-) |
| 01:54.55 | enouf | mint condition |
| 01:54.59 | centHOGG | some good games |
| 01:55.02 | enouf | feels like a car salesman |
| 01:55.03 | centHOGG | like simcity |
| 01:55.04 | JrHacker | heh |
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| 01:56.17 | JrHacker | hmm, doesn't seem to be anyone alive in #debianppc |
| 01:56.35 | centHOGG | JrHacker: ever come across a good G4 or G5 deal? |
| 01:56.46 | centHOGG | craigslist |
| 01:56.55 | adb | G3 @266 lenny desktop |
| 01:57.12 | JrHacker | centHOGG: I see some decent deals for non-working ones occasionally, and think about getting them and doing a duct-tape job again like I did for this one |
| 01:57.25 | centHOGG | I just hate buying broken stuff |
| 01:57.30 | centHOGG | other people's problems |
| 01:57.30 | JrHacker | adb: 266, that's the Wallstreet, no? |
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| 01:57.43 | JrHacker | centHOGG: Yeah, but they're generally "almost" affordable that way. |
| 01:57.43 | adb | grey box |
| 01:57.47 | adb | or so |
| 01:57.56 | JrHacker | hmm... you sure it's a g3 then? |
| 01:58.05 | centHOGG | adb: man I can't believe that is internet-usable |
| 01:58.09 | adb | yes |
| 01:58.19 | centHOGG | under 500mhz? |
| 01:58.20 | centHOGG | yike |
| 01:58.36 | lip_skip_vt | bye |
| 01:58.38 | JrHacker | centHOGG: mine's 333, and runs OS X |
| 01:58.43 | centHOGG | omg |
| 01:58.45 | centHOGG | OMG |
| 01:58.55 | JrHacker | :P |
| 01:58.56 | adb | centHOGG: get ~ 800 kB d/l |
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| 01:59.38 | JrHacker | It also runs KDE like a charm. |
| 01:59.43 | Chris_Were | does lenny have the new ati open source drivers? |
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| 02:00.32 | adb | JrHacker: at 400, you right |
| 02:00.35 | paddyez | hi all |
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| 02:01.04 | centHOGG | JrHacker: so do you have alot of sw? |
| 02:01.11 | centHOGG | apple |
| 02:01.18 | duckinator | does Debian support x86_64? i dont see it on http://debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 02:01.28 | centHOGG | sure I think so |
| 02:01.39 | Polarina | duckinator: It's called amd64. |
| 02:01.41 | JrHacker | centHOGG: no, I mostly use nix terminal |
| 02:01.49 | duckinator | why's it called amd64 though? o.O |
| 02:01.53 | paddyez | can someone tell me why in unstabe so many problemes came in one day? |
| 02:01.59 | Polarina | duckinator: Because that's the original name of the architecture. |
| 02:02.06 | duckinator | ah, well i didn't know that :P thanks |
| 02:02.18 | duckinator | paddyez: it's called unstable for a reason ya know :) |
| 02:02.31 | JrHacker | heh |
| 02:02.38 | centHOGG | JrHacker: do you have StuffIt |
| 02:02.40 | Chris_Were | which verson of debian is best suited to my ati card with open drivers? |
| 02:02.46 | paddyez | duk |
| 02:02.56 | JrHacker | centHOGG: yeah, an older version, why? |
| 02:03.04 | centHOGG | cause its like essential |
| 02:03.11 | JrHacker | heh |
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| 02:03.14 | asg | paddyez: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:03.18 | centHOGG | squishing stuff to an old drive |
| 02:03.29 | JrHacker | I replaced the drive :) |
| 02:03.34 | centHOGG | SCSI? |
| 02:03.39 | paddyez | duckinator: an answer that I expected |
| 02:03.41 | centHOGG | or IDE |
| 02:03.42 | JrHacker | nah, 40gb ide |
| 02:03.48 | centHOGG | for that!!! |
| 02:03.54 | centHOGG | plenty of room |
| 02:04.00 | sepult | so the trivial-gray-streams are just the lighter version of it, for compatibility with other implementations which don't have'em |
| 02:04.02 | JrHacker | yeah, it was free |
| 02:04.06 | sepult | uups |
| 02:04.11 | duckinator | paddyez: well define 'so many'? is it enough that it's unusable? (dunno of any answers - downloading Debian to use for the first time in over a year - just curious) |
| 02:04.13 | centHOGG | I have 10g in my G3 |
| 02:04.30 | centHOGG | plenty |
| 02:04.34 | JrHacker | I've got a 60gb, but haven't bothered to replace the 40 because I don't need it |
| 02:04.35 | JrHacker | yeah |
| 02:04.48 | JrHacker | OS X is huge, though |
| 02:05.02 | centHOGG | JrHacker: its nice OS |
| 02:05.19 | duckinator | JrHacker: only 60GB? Best Buy is awesome, i got a free upgrade from 250GB to 320GB cuz my laptop hd prematurely failed :D |
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| 02:05.25 | paddyez | duckinator: it was fixable without reininstalling but to many mistakes in package makes |
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| 02:05.33 | duckinator | paddyez: ouch .-. |
| 02:05.37 | takahiro | hello how can i find out which debian package contains the file qapplication.h ? |
| 02:05.43 | paddyez | duckinator: kernel panik |
| 02:05.54 | asg | takahiro: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:06.02 | sepult | takahiro: that's qt |
| 02:06.04 | JrHacker | centHOGG: it's decent |
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| 02:06.22 | centHOGG | <10.39 or whatever |
| 02:06.27 | takahiro | sepult: yeah i thought i installed everything qt related, but i still can't compile this file it says can't find qapplication.h |
| 02:06.38 | JrHacker | duckinator: We're talking a Powerbook G3 Lombard/Pismo amalgamation... it's not worth spending money on :P |
| 02:06.45 | Chris_Were | i can't get my resalution above 1024x768 is there an easy way to get it higher? |
| 02:06.53 | JrHacker | centHOGG: Yeah, I've got 10.2.9 |
| 02:06.56 | duckinator | JrHacker: i dunno shit about Macs, so i'll just agree :) |
| 02:07.05 | JrHacker | duckinator: it's from '98 |
| 02:07.14 | centHOGG | Chris_Were: xrandr -s 1280x800 |
| 02:07.29 | Chris_Were | cenrHOGG that's a wide screen resalution |
| 02:07.39 | gmap | I am working on a debian live cd, but when I copy my .mozilla folder into it isnt accessible. I have to mv and only than I can access it. WHy is this? |
| 02:07.43 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 02:07.48 | duckinator | JrHacker: ew :| i have no PC that old lol... my server is from 2000 (700MHz Pentium 3.. nice server, eh? :\) |
| 02:08.13 | sepult | takahiro: maybe try reinstalling all again ?? with force-missing and fix-includes ? |
| 02:08.28 | centHOGG | duckinator: I have a lot of old funboxes... that's why I like debian |
| 02:08.39 | centHOGG | ISA |
| 02:08.49 | JrHacker | duckinator: new computers are expensive :P |
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| 02:09.06 | JrHacker | centHOGG: I also can't get flash working on this one (in debian), which makes me sad... but oh well |
| 02:09.07 | duckinator | centHOGG: i had one with ISA, but it died when i tried to vacuum all millions upon millions of tiny spiders out :\ |
| 02:09.13 | JrHacker | haha |
| 02:09.15 | centHOGG | ha |
| 02:09.34 | duckinator | that's what happens when it sits in a garage for 6 years, i guess.. lol |
| 02:09.39 | centHOGG | man that reminds me of one of those discovery channel docs about "I was Bitten" |
| 02:09.45 | Chris_Were | it wont let me raise my resalution by any more than 1024x768 are the open source ati drivers available for lenny? |
| 02:10.17 | duckinator | centHOGG: there was fried spider on the heatsink *gag* |
| 02:10.22 | paddyez | kdesktop: Hängt ab: kdebase-bin (= 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2) soll aber nicht installiert werden |
| 02:10.37 | paddyez | it is fucked up |
| 02:10.41 | centHOGG | Chris_Were: is it a higher resolution in windows... if so maybe you can tweak the xorg.conf |
| 02:10.47 | JrHacker | One of these days I should probably get rid of the other three pb g3s I have sitting around... I stole parts from all of them to get this one working. |
| 02:10.51 | JrHacker | Anyone wanna buy? :D |
| 02:11.14 | Chris_Were | centHOGG it has been a higher resalution on ubuntu |
| 02:11.14 | paddyez | E: Kaputte Pakete |
| 02:11.31 | centHOGG | JrHacker: do your area schools have those turnin-oldcomputerparts weekends? |
| 02:11.32 | asg | !de |
| 02:11.32 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 02:11.52 | paddyez | but that is for almost all packeges |
| 02:11.59 | centHOGG | Chris_Were: ok verify what driver is running x now |
| 02:12.14 | ajavid | !dbugs #526254 |
| 02:12.17 | dpkg | #526254:G[mysql-client-5.0] CVE-2008-4456: mysql client does not escape strings in --html mode (security); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:24:02 UTC [] |
| 02:12.49 | asg | paddyez: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:13.13 | Chris_Were | centHOGG: it doesn't say in x.conf |
| 02:13.19 | takahiro | hmm if qtwebkit.h doesn't exist in any debian package, what should i do next to try to build my app? |
| 02:13.28 | Chris_Were | xorg.conf* |
| 02:13.46 | sepult | takahiro: get the sources ??? |
| 02:13.48 | asg | takahiro: did you install apt-file as the factoid suggested? |
| 02:13.53 | sepult | takahiro: cvsbuild ?? |
| 02:13.58 | sepult | takahiro: or svn ? |
| 02:14.30 | takahiro | i don't know what any of that means |
| 02:14.44 | sepult | takahiro: then it's time to |
| 02:14.46 | paddyez | asg: super help I fixed it myself but still kde is fuckt up for all others |
| 02:14.47 | centHOGG | Chris_Were: yeah, i've only messed with Nvidia but I'm sure its the same... try increasing your Display Size in xorg OR copy that xorg.conf from ubuntu |
| 02:15.06 | asg | paddyez: then file a bug |
| 02:15.12 | centHOGG | ubuntu live cd xorg.conf |
| 02:15.22 | ajavid | I've een using kde4 for several days now |
| 02:15.23 | takahiro | where should i start? |
| 02:15.24 | ajavid | in sid |
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| 02:15.26 | tonsofpcs | enouf: eh, i figured out a way to get another hdd attached, ended up leaving it cloning with one of UBCD's clone tools overnight |
| 02:15.27 | ajavid | its perfectly fine |
| 02:15.42 | gmap | how do you get rkiosk to work with iceweasel |
| 02:15.53 | centHOGG | !rkiosk |
| 02:15.56 | centHOGG | heh |
| 02:16.09 | Chris_Were | centHOGG: i can't find the resaultion part of xorg.conf |
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| 02:16.29 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | holy crap!!! is it true what they said about debian? |
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| 02:16.42 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | it was leaked out today |
| 02:16.42 | centHOGG | Chris_Were: take a peek a the ubuntu live cd xorg.conf... maybe you can use the info |
| 02:16.45 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | big freaken news |
| 02:16.48 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | on youtube |
| 02:16.49 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJ-XOp5IR0 |
| 02:16.53 | Polarina | F0A9ADE8N86060L6: Get to the point. He haven't got a clue what you're talking about. |
| 02:17.01 | centHOGG | spam? |
| 02:17.04 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | someone plz confirm if this is true about debian? |
| 02:17.14 | takahiro | rick rolled |
| 02:17.16 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | centHOGG: not spam |
| 02:17.18 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | no... |
| 02:17.24 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | i promise it isnt rick roll |
| 02:17.27 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | just confirm plz |
| 02:17.27 | paddyez | asg: how I would have to file multiple bugs and a solution that worked for me where? |
| 02:17.28 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | :\ |
| 02:17.28 | tonsofpcs | porn |
| 02:17.34 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | porn |
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| 02:18.20 | Chris_Were | wow its true |
| 02:19.05 | F0A9ADE8N86060L6 | you can thank me later |
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| 02:19.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:19.22 | Chris_Were | yes cos if it wasn't for that i wouldn't know where to look for porn |
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| 02:28.44 | centHOGG | : |
| 02:29.00 | sepult | ð |
| 02:29.03 | Polarina | þ |
| 02:29.09 | sepult | ⬠|
| 02:29.13 | Polarina | ö |
| 02:29.21 | sepult | â |
| 02:29.37 | sepult | ŧ |
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| 02:29.45 | sepult | â |
| 02:30.13 | amphi | Ë |
| 02:30.16 | sepult | â ¢ |
| 02:30.17 | Polarina | Ã |
| 02:30.18 | Polarina | ĸ |
| 02:30.27 | sepult | æ |
| 02:30.32 | adb | ? |
| 02:30.36 | phamin | hi |
| 02:30.39 | JrHacker | adb: Good question. |
| 02:30.40 | centHOGG | : |
| 02:30.40 | sepult | µoo |
| 02:30.48 | sepult | µøø |
| 02:30.50 | JrHacker | Centerim doesn't like those symbols ;) |
| 02:30.51 | sepult | lol |
| 02:31.25 | centHOGG | <ready to go play steel panthers or fragile allegiance |
| 02:31.37 | takahiro | what is lenny? |
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| 02:31.51 | adb | !lenny |
| 02:31.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 02:32.04 | takahiro | cool the binoculars |
| 02:32.05 | sepult | ævøluŧiÃN |
| 02:32.14 | sepult | urghhh |
| 02:32.49 | centHOGG | a music war? |
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| 02:34.23 | parsonsd | i am still setting up apt-proxy and while i get the regular package lists, i can't seem to get any security updates for my lenny boxes. |
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| 02:34.54 | centHOGG | splater... :) |
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| 02:35.32 | paddyez | is there anything known or usefuull that kde is fuckt on debian sid? |
| 02:36.19 | parsonsd | "deb http://apt.bugjar.org:9999/security/ lenny/updates main" gives me a '404 on the backend' listing http://apt.bugjar.org lenny/updates/main Packages [ERROR] ... |
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| 02:36.52 | adb | parsonsd: use debian mirror |
| 02:37.20 | parsonsd | adb - apt-proxy doesn't handle security updates? |
| 02:37.35 | adb | i dunno |
| 02:37.55 | paddyez | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.55 | paddyez | E: Kaputte Pakete |
| 02:38.01 | parsonsd | is there anything (source location aside) wrong with the apt line? |
| 02:38.10 | parsonsd | er, sources.list line? |
| 02:38.19 | adb | !mirror |
| 02:38.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 02:38.30 | ix | lol @ kaputte pakete |
| 02:38.33 | ix | :-D |
| 02:39.27 | paddyez | all of the packages are kaputt |
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| 02:40.13 | adb | !tell parsonsd about sources.list |
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| 02:42.42 | sepult | ®â¬ÅΩºNâ© |
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| 02:48.10 | paddyez | where can I paste source.list ? |
| 02:48.28 | sepult | paste.debian.net |
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| 02:50.04 | damasceno | paddyez, read the topic. |
| 02:50.29 | damasceno | there have where you can paste your code. |
| 02:50.29 | damasceno | :D |
| 02:52.04 | paddyez | with xchat you can only hav topic on hover |
| 02:52.23 | phamin_ | I am a newbe. Where is a config file for DNS in Ubuntu? |
| 02:52.28 | paddyez | http://paste.debian.net/34918/ |
| 02:52.56 | ix | phamin_: /etc/resolv.conf -- same on most linux systems |
| 02:53.10 | phamin_ | thanks lx. |
| 02:53.23 | paddyez | phamin_: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:53.54 | paddyez | ubuntu just checked it is there too |
| 02:54.12 | adb | paddyez: heh mixed sources , wired |
| 02:54.30 | sepult | heavenly sounds |
| 02:54.34 | sepult | uhhhh |
| 02:54.55 | adb | stable/non-US |
| 02:55.27 | paddyez | adb: came from a knoppix installlation |
| 02:55.39 | adb | install Debian |
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| 02:56.19 | paddyez | could you give me a clan sources file please? |
| 02:56.26 | paddyez | clean |
| 02:56.51 | adb | to late i guess |
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| 02:57.12 | sepult | ħâ¬Ã¦vâ¬ÅÅy søânðsss |
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| 02:57.27 | adb | !tell paddyez sources.list |
| 02:58.03 | paddyez | the bot is in summer hollyday |
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| 02:58.10 | simple | hey |
| 02:58.19 | simple | i'm upgrading from etch to lenny,and i have backports in my sources.list |
| 02:58.25 | ix | héá®éñøü Ãóúë©éà |
| 02:58.25 | simple | i'm wondering if commenting it out would cause any issues? |
| 03:00.05 | paddyez | adb: could you send me a clean soursece file in query in pastbin or elsewhere |
| 03:00.07 | adb | !tell paddyez about sources.list |
| 03:00.33 | paddyez | ok |
| 03:01.32 | paddyez | the answer is for the ass |
| 03:01.35 | simple | !tell simple about sources.list |
| 03:01.59 | simple | i have a really odd question |
| 03:02.06 | simple | i just updated and now its saying that i need a new key? |
| 03:02.24 | simple | no public key for D270D06F42584E6 |
| 03:02.27 | paddyez | tell me is there a wiki or anything where I get a straight answer? |
| 03:02.36 | sepult | simple: no publickey ? |
| 03:02.58 | sepult | simple: what did you add to your sources ? |
| 03:03.10 | sepult | paddyez: what's your question ? |
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| 03:03.22 | paddyez | reminds me of BASIC GOTO 1000 |
| 03:03.33 | sepult | REM SHUT UP |
| 03:03.47 | adb | simple: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:04.26 | sepult | that's a comment eh ? |
| 03:04.28 | sepult | lol |
| 03:04.52 | simple | i'm moving from etch to lenny |
| 03:04.55 | simple | adb, installing now |
| 03:05.00 | adb | paddyez: deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian lenny main non-free contrib |
| 03:05.12 | adb | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 03:05.15 | paddyez | adb: an how is a keyring installed? |
| 03:05.19 | simple | WOW |
| 03:05.21 | dondelelcaro | 1/away |
| 03:05.26 | paddyez | i know the answer |
| 03:05.31 | simple | hey adb its saying that it has to update an insane amount of packages |
| 03:05.41 | simple | but it only needs to get 12.8kb of archives? |
| 03:05.43 | ix | paddyez: use apt-spy to generate a decent sources.list file |
| 03:05.46 | simple | is that normal? |
| 03:05.51 | dondelelcaro | simple: that's what happens when you upgrade; you may have already downloaded them all |
| 03:06.11 | paddyez | ix i try |
| 03:06.12 | simple | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 03:06.47 | simple | ok now it works and has the new keys :) |
| 03:07.36 | simple | wow |
| 03:07.37 | simple | when i ran |
| 03:07.48 | simple | aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude it failed miserably |
| 03:07.49 | paddyez | ix which package do i need to install to get that? |
| 03:07.54 | simple | like three screens worth of output |
| 03:08.05 | simple | then it says at the end tht its going to update a few packages and that the score is -283 |
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| 03:08.12 | ix | paddyez: apt-spy. |
| 03:08.25 | sepult | simple: that's a good score |
| 03:08.30 | sepult | simple: not too high |
| 03:08.42 | simple | -300? |
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| 03:08.43 | simple | is a good score? |
| 03:08.49 | sepult | simple: yes |
| 03:08.53 | simple | i take it the rest of the packages will be fine once i u pdate? |
| 03:08.56 | simple | *update? |
| 03:09.13 | paddyez | ix: great thanx |
| 03:10.21 | ix | paddyez: no problem. |
| 03:10.26 | ix | is off to sleep, cya |
| 03:10.34 | sepult | bye |
| 03:10.50 | paddyez | ix have a nice sleep |
| 03:11.03 | simple | cyas |
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| 03:15.47 | Stanlin1 | Hello camerades |
| 03:15.54 | adb | paddyez: your system is compromised , better do a clean install debian by now |
| 03:16.30 | paddyez | ahb uri to howto? |
| 03:16.35 | Stanlin1 | compromised? |
| 03:16.50 | Stanlin1 | like about to marry? |
| 03:18.02 | adb | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 03:19.03 | Stanlin1 | what is the command to open a windows shared folder ? |
| 03:19.03 | paddyez | does not want a minimal system |
| 03:19.13 | adb | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 03:19.16 | Stanlin1 | who said it was minimal? |
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| 03:22.07 | paddyez | Stanlin1: the headline "Netzinstallation von einer Minimal-CD" |
| 03:22.15 | amitz | I'm considering using debian lenny for a VPS. But without keyboard/mouse, last time I checked there will be an entropy problem. Will entropy problem prevent me from connecting to the VPS box? What's the recommended solution besides using /dev/random ? |
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| 03:22.46 | amitz | or in what channel should I ask this question? |
| 03:22.49 | mischief6 | anyone know where i would report a bug in a system call?? |
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| 03:24.41 | module000 | amitz: use /dev/random+time+<something fun here> |
| 03:25.01 | paddyez | apt-spy solves the problem of who is the faster miroor |
| 03:25.17 | paddyez | very nice tool |
| 03:25.53 | module000 | paddyez: sounds nice... I am very spoiled though, my VPS provider maintains it's own apt mirror on the same LAN as the VPS hosts |
| 03:26.31 | simplechat_ | adb, what happened to paddyez? |
| 03:26.34 | adb | burn this , and start installation with > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:27.43 | adb | simplechat: use knoppix w/ mixed sources stable to experimental and other repos; |
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| 03:28.27 | adb | paddyez: ^^^ read above |
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| 03:29.25 | Archaeopteryx | hey, I have no use for Exim4 on my debian. How do I go about stopping it from starting up when I am booting? It is taking very long |
| 03:29.29 | paddyez | I just had the experiance that with a souces list from a debian CD back in th 90s and with the default knoppix sources list I completle fucked up my system after a while |
| 03:30.03 | paddyez | but I was quite plaesd with unstable inbetween |
| 03:31.01 | adb | install lenny first and may upgrade to testing if needed |
| 03:31.09 | paddyez | it would be great to have a central source of a sourches list |
| 03:31.13 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: change the rcN.d it's symlink is in |
| 03:31.34 | Stanlin1 | paddyez: you can install full system with that minimal cd, its a minimal cd, not a minimal installation..... silly |
| 03:31.39 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: or if that doesn't make any sense to you...apt-get install sysvconfig |
| 03:32.10 | Archaeopteryx | module000: ok, I will try that |
| 03:32.40 | paddyez | Stanlin1: it is alive system with mysql apache php and all the other fuck |
| 03:32.45 | Archaeopteryx | module000: the second one :P |
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| 03:33.14 | paddyez | it is just KDE is totally fucked |
| 03:33.21 | Stanlin1 | paddyez: so what? the minimal net CD comes with all that ... fuck |
| 03:33.50 | Stanlin1 | paddyez: kde sucks, use something pro = text mode |
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| 03:35.22 | paddyez | uses shell but somehow it woukld be usefull to see results on the web |
| 03:35.42 | wyleu | I'm reading http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-files.html and notice it suggests you try rm/etc/resolv.conf as a test of permissions. |
| 03:35.44 | wyleu | On my Debian/Lenny this is a link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf with all permissions set. Is this wise or have I got a mis set sysem? |
| 03:35.49 | paddyez | having konqueror and all the stuff |
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| 03:36.13 | paddyez | has chosen to use icewm |
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| 03:36.24 | Stanlin1 | x11 is for n00bs |
| 03:36.24 | module000 | I like icewm..and fluxbox |
| 03:36.46 | paddyez | but only as long debian packages are fucked up |
| 03:37.22 | adb | no its cos of your sources list |
| 03:37.31 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.56 | paddyez | likes kde but the debian project does not quite like it |
| 03:38.12 | Manoj | too bloated |
| 03:38.17 | InitHello | I'm trying to compile a modified version of a certain package, but it puts the relevant libraries and files in /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/bin, respectively, resulting in debian not seeing the new versions. Would "./compile --prefix=/usr" be good enough to work around that, or are there reasons not to do it that way? |
| 03:38.22 | Manoj | and not enough control |
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| 03:38.48 | Manoj | InitHello: err, Debian should see those |
| 03:39.01 | paddyez | adb: i had a shorter list when I really cared |
| 03:39.10 | InitHello | Manoj: yeah, that's what I would think, but ... well ... it's not |
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| 03:39.21 | InitHello | and they are in $PATH, I checked that first off |
| 03:39.25 | Archaeopteryx | module000: thanks, it worked! Cut my boot time in half :) |
| 03:39.36 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: excellent |
| 03:39.41 | Manoj | InitHello: you must have done something to your path not to have /usr/local/bin in there |
| 03:39.52 | paddyez | debian does not give the right support to the KDE project and it is fucking outdated |
| 03:39.54 | Archaeopteryx | module000: have another issue, maybe you can help me with it too... |
| 03:39.59 | InitHello | Manoj: that's just it. /usr/local/bin is in path |
| 03:40.02 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: ask away |
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| 03:40.38 | Manoj | InitHello: also, cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf |
| 03:40.40 | Archaeopteryx | module: when I log in, at first my internet it working perfectly as usual, but I believe the network manager thing keep reconfiguring my interfaces |
| 03:40.43 | InitHello | Manoj: it gets stranger ... 'which <executable>' returns /usr/local/bin/executable, but running it gives me the old version |
| 03:40.59 | Archaeopteryx | module000: in order to get my internet working again, I ifdown -a then ifup lo ifup eth0 |
| 03:41.22 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: do you have more than 1 NIC? |
| 03:41.34 | Archaeopteryx | module000: I have stuff configured to use a bridge to get virtualbox with XP to be able to VPN to work |
| 03:41.43 | Manoj | InitHello: well, the problem is not likely to be Debian, and so most of the rest of us can not reprodice it, or debug it on our machines ... |
| 03:41.51 | simplechat_ | wooow |
| 03:41.53 | InitHello | Manoj: duly noted |
| 03:41.55 | Archaeopteryx | module: um, my motherboard supports two ethernet connections |
| 03:41.56 | simplechat_ | my xen has just failed horribly :( |
| 03:42.04 | Archaeopteryx | module000: um, my motherboard supports two ethernet connections |
| 03:42.16 | Archaeopteryx | module000: it supports teaming, but I only use one port ever |
| 03:42.26 | paddyez | has compiled QT back than to get a decent kde support |
| 03:42.40 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: hrm, sounds like you should disable the network manager that is running? |
| 03:42.53 | Manoj | InitHello: so, echo $PATH says you have /usr/local/bin first; which shows /usr/local/bin/stuff, and yet the version actually run is the old one? |
| 03:43.14 | Manoj | InitHello: what happens when you do rehash ? |
| 03:43.24 | module000 | InitHello: what does "which <yourprog>" say? just change the result of that to symlink where you want it to go... |
| 03:43.26 | InitHello | Manoj: correct. If it's relevant, what I'm trying to run is a modified version of sqlite 3.6.12 |
| 03:43.28 | Archaeopteryx | module000: hm, I guess there is no point to it other than to annoy me :P |
| 03:43.31 | boxxertrumps | hmm, for some reason kpppd keeps failing with a NO CARRIER error, what usually causes that? |
| 03:44.02 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: unless you are swapping wifi often...no point in a GUI network mgr ;] |
| 03:44.27 | Archaeopteryx | module000: when I look in that last application you alerted me to, there is network-manager and network-manager-dispatcher |
| 03:44.35 | Manoj | InitHello: typing rehash or hash might reset the command hash table for your shell and run the new /usr/local/bin version |
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| 03:44.45 | Archaeopteryx | module000: they both would be for the same thing? or is one of them something important to me |
| 03:45.00 | module000 | Archaeopteryx: I don't use either, so I don't know what they do...but i know neither is important ;] |
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| 03:45.13 | InitHello | Manoj: I'll try that, thanks |
| 03:45.15 | Archaeopteryx | module: I do not use wireless on my desktop :P I guess I will try disabling them and restarting again |
| 03:45.15 | gumbox | is it just me or skype doesn't work in squeeze? |
| 03:46.07 | adb | gumbox: ask skype |
| 03:46.22 | gumbox | where can i find him? |
| 03:46.25 | module000 | "doesn't work" is pretty ambigious.. |
| 03:46.25 | Manoj | InitHello: starting a new shell should do the same -- so just running ${SEHLL} should do the same, but I hate wasting resources. re hashing the command table makes the earth a little cooler |
| 03:47.08 | gumbox | it's not ambiguous.. i was just asking whether it works for anyone else |
| 03:47.36 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:47.50 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 03:47.57 | gumbox | oh.. thanks so much.. i hadn't thought of that yet.. thank you, really |
| 03:48.01 | gumbox | ¬¬ |
| 03:48.07 | module000 | gumbox: whats not working about it? |
| 03:48.09 | Azar | well, you too |
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| 03:49.01 | gumbox | it'll mess up the network.. then i need to do ifdown ifup etc... and when i did get it working it wouldn't complete any call |
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| 03:52.17 | euphidime | (I wasn't sure if this should go in #xen or #debian, so forgive me if this is the wrong channel.) Is there a way to install the Debian i386 Xen kernel package (on Lenny, fyi) on an amd64 dom0? I'd like to be able to have both 32 bit and 64 bit guests without going through the pain and suffering of compiling a 32 bit xen kernel :/ |
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| 03:53.39 | InitHello | Manoj: I appreciate the advice. I'll fiddle around with it, see what happens. *tips his hat and leaves* |
| 03:54.22 | fogobogo | hello sirs. i'd need support for the prop nvidia geforce2 so i'd like to ask whats the xorg-server version in debian |
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| 03:56.03 | Archaeopteryx | module000: just came back to say thanks! Disabled network manager stuff, reconfigured my bridge in my network interfaces file and restarted and no issues :) |
| 03:56.42 | parsonsd | funky. if i get my (security) updates from the apt-proxy [ i oops'd the word "update" ], i get 25 *upgradable* packages; if that line is removed and the deb line to directly reference security.debian.org, i get 25 *Security Updates*... how is it that apt decides to use the moniker "Security Updates" |
| 03:56.48 | parsonsd | ? |
| 03:58.16 | Archaeopteryx | anyone know why this package: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 03:58.35 | rpgdude | hey everyone |
| 03:58.36 | Archaeopteryx | is not released in squeeze yet? 3 days over so far and I don't understand all the details on here |
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| 03:59.02 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx - i did not see your comments, but my own experience with networkManager is that it will foul up multi NIC setups very nicely...and sometimes rather obscurely |
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| 03:59.50 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: it's gone now and all is good so I guess that is some knowledge I can pass on to others..haha |
| 04:00.04 | rpgdude | what new in debian lately? |
| 04:00.29 | Archaeopteryx | rpgdude: as far as I've noticed, squeeze is up and running |
| 04:00.42 | rpgdude | nice |
| 04:00.49 | rpgdude | which char is squeeze |
| 04:00.50 | rpgdude | ? |
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| 04:01.01 | Archaeopteryx | rpgdude: the green alien thingies...haha |
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| 04:01.07 | rpgdude | oh |
| 04:01.10 | rpgdude | how about a pic? |
| 04:01.40 | Archaeopteryx | rpgdude: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/2846938227_e326c0111b.jpg?v=0 |
| 04:01.48 | rpgdude | http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/cartoons/wallpapers/toy-story-aliens.jpg |
| 04:01.49 | rpgdude | ? |
| 04:02.06 | Archaeopteryx | yeah |
| 04:02.16 | rpgdude | oh yeah!!!!!!!!!1111111111 |
| 04:02.21 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx - where did you find the way to turn it off? I saw nothing when i hunted down for it... i ended up making my sometimes on, sometimes off DHCP server just have a much quicker recycle time to outbid the always-on gateway |
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| 04:02.56 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: module000 told me about this wonderful application called sysvconfig! |
| 04:03.13 | boxxertrumps | noone knows anything about dialup? |
| 04:03.13 | fogobogo | hmm |
| 04:03.15 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: so simple but so effective |
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| 04:04.05 | fogobogo | just real quick. CD 1 will suffice to install debian right? i wont need cd 1-50 |
| 04:04.13 | rpgdude | yes |
| 04:04.17 | rpgdude | thats correct |
| 04:04.26 | fogobogo | thanks |
| 04:04.48 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx - oh crap. it has startup scripts in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 04:04.54 | jesusjonez | cd 32 is the one |
| 04:04.55 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx - thanks |
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| 04:05.00 | jesusjonez | 32 is the install cd |
| 04:05.17 | adb | fogobogo: use debian-501-i386-netinst.iso |
| 04:05.20 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: :P |
| 04:05.55 | adb | or amd64 if its the case |
| 04:06.02 | fogobogo | adb: i would but that #!*&% ethernet card doesnt like me |
| 04:06.41 | parsonsd | any one have ideas on how aptitude decides when an update is a *security* *update* and when it gets labelled merely an *upgradable* *package*? |
| 04:06.43 | adb | use a usb stick to get your firmware |
| 04:06.56 | fogobogo | adb: bios doesnt support usb boot :( |
| 04:07.07 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: by any chance do you know how to interpret these pages: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 04:07.19 | adb | this is a cdrom image not usb |
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| 04:07.41 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: just curious to find out when this package will actually come out because I want to compile my video driver |
| 04:07.42 | parsonsd | it doesn't matter (really) now that i know that i'm getting security updates via my apt-proxy.... |
| 04:07.53 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx - lemme check |
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| 04:08.00 | fogobogo | adb: indeed. |
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| 04:09.38 | adb | fogobogo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
| 04:09.38 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx, come out sid to testing? (i presume that is 'experimental'? i'm not clear on the names...i've only been using debian for 6 years...) |
| 04:09.48 | boxxertrumps | really, noone knows what could cause a no carrier signal after chap/pap? |
| 04:10.22 | pizzledizzle | parsonsd, only? |
| 04:10.25 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx, it looks like it isn't going into testing any time soon.... it has a lot of dependancies that it is waiting to have catch up.... http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 |
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| 04:11.03 | fogobogo | adb: for an ethernet card? |
| 04:11.07 | adb | yes |
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| 04:11.32 | charitwo | !ops jme_009 |
| 04:11.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: charitwo complains about: jme_009 |
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| 04:12.08 | fogobogo | adb: thing is there actually is the sk98lin module for it |
| 04:12.30 | fogobogo | but its prop methinks |
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| 04:12.46 | fogobogo | anwyays. im gonna try this |
| 04:12.59 | Archaeopteryx | parsonsd: I thought when the days started counting down, once it reached 10 without new problems, it would be moved in or the countdown removed if some popped up...but I guess I misunderstand the whole process :P |
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| 04:13.37 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx, someday (soon!) my old sarge box will become lenny; sooner than the one at work, i believe, since i'll need to prep a little for that. |
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| 04:14.15 | adb | fogobogo: see too http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 04:15.30 | fogobogo | adb: :O really nice. |
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| 04:15.46 | adb | ;) |
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| 04:18.41 | parsonsd | Archaeopteryx, someday (soon!) my old sarge box will become lenny; sooner than the one at work, i believe, since i'll need to prep a little for that. |
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| 04:21.20 | adb | fogobogo: try also http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 04:22.25 | fogobogo | adb: but thats for wireless no? |
| 04:22.43 | adb | read up ;) |
| 04:22.55 | adb | i means url |
| 04:23.02 | fogobogo | o right |
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| 04:23.17 | fogobogo | hmm |
| 04:23.29 | fogobogo | that might be worth a shot |
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| 04:26.27 | simplechat_ | wow |
| 04:26.36 | simplechat_ | ban much? |
| 04:26.42 | fogobogo | hmm |
| 04:26.42 | Azar | yep, nice work |
| 04:26.47 | simplechat_ | LoRez, ? |
| 04:26.54 | LoRez | simplechat_, ? |
| 04:27.02 | simplechat_ | why did you ban ootput? |
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| 04:27.14 | fogobogo | redirect them it seems |
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| 04:27.42 | simplechat_ | what? |
| 04:28.29 | fogobogo | simplechat_: no entirely sure but it seems they all go to ##vunerable when they try to join now |
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| 04:30.38 | warchief_ryan | are apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade the same? |
| 04:30.47 | warchief_ryan | just with diffrent apps? |
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| 04:33.18 | simplechat_ | yeah, but i really don't understand what they are doing |
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| 04:34.00 | fogobogo | apparently some irc client is vulnerable to this off DCC send line |
| 04:34.24 | fogobogo | s/off/odd |
| 04:35.25 | dondelelcaro | fogobogo: it's a router, actually. |
| 04:35.51 | dondelelcaro | it drops connections containing what look like DCC packets on 6667 |
| 04:36.04 | fogobogo | :O |
| 04:36.29 | fogobogo | didnt know that. interesting |
| 04:36.32 | burd | do you know which router it is by chance? |
| 04:37.09 | dondelelcaro | burd: http://www.juniper.net/security/auto/vulnerabilities/vuln16954.html |
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| 04:38.56 | burd | mostly old devices it seems |
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| 04:41.02 | amitz | module000: oh, good idea. |
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| 04:44.24 | stack | hi, I've seen that fbsetbg is shipped with fluxbox, is there something else to set my background image? |
| 04:45.11 | fogobogo | stack: plenty. lot of image viewers support setting the image to the root window |
| 04:45.33 | zhxk | exucse me,how to have intall newwork monitor Applet to gnome? |
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| 04:46.24 | fogobogo | stack: as a bonus try mplayer -rootwin -fs -loop myadultmovie.avi |
| 04:47.17 | zhxk | how to have intall newwork monitor Applet to gnome like ubuntu have? |
| 04:48.40 | dondelelcaro | zhxk: install network-manager |
| 04:48.46 | dondelelcaro | stack: imagemagick, feh, etc. |
| 04:48.55 | Azar | stack I use feh |
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| 04:49.41 | ajavid | Azar, ! |
| 04:49.46 | ajavid | stoned |
| 04:49.50 | Azar | omg |
| 04:49.55 | Azar | been one year, stoned |
| 04:50.03 | ajavid | I thought more |
| 04:50.09 | ajavid | how are you doing? |
| 04:50.32 | Azar | enjoying my new e-cig.. besides oder nasty things |
| 04:50.54 | epsas | Azar - those e-cigs are cool |
| 04:50.55 | ajavid | awesome |
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| 04:51.00 | Azar | move over at #debian-offtopic dud |
| 04:51.09 | ajavid | I don't go there dude |
| 04:51.12 | ajavid | #debian-chat |
| 04:51.17 | Azar | ok |
| 04:51.59 | epsas | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrrrles/3447818348/ |
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| 05:05.00 | zhxk | dondelelcaro:how to? |
| 05:05.16 | zhxk | dondelelcaro:how to install network-manager? |
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| 05:05.39 | anoHito | good afternoon, guys. |
| 05:06.18 | zhxk | good afternoon, how to install network-manager? |
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| 05:07.03 | rafuch0 | can and use debiaqn net install cd for amd based computer i mean beucse net install brings only whit i386 kernels... |
| 05:07.49 | stoffell | rafuch0, no, there's also an amd net install |
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| 05:08.27 | rafuch0 | yeap i found it |
| 05:08.33 | rafuch0 | thanks :D |
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| 05:18.49 | tux91 | Does anybody know when intel video drivers will get updated in squeeze? |
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| 05:25.04 | streuner_ | judd, versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 05:25.05 | judd | streuner_: xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 squeeze: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.7.0-1 experimental: 2:2.7.99.1-1 |
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| 05:26.39 | Chubbz1 | Where do I copy kernel modules if I want the to work with modprobe? |
| 05:26.54 | Chubbz1 | *want them to |
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| 05:29.59 | streuner_ | tux91: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xserver-xorg-video-intel.html |
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| 05:35.12 | chovy | does apt-get have a way to install a package locally in the user's home directory? |
| 05:35.31 | chovy | ie /home/chovy/bin |
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| 05:42.13 | zhxk | excuse me, how to solve this problem? applate shows there has no nic configuration: http://imagebin.ca/view/G4F8u5HD.html |
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| 05:43.33 | pibe86 | hello |
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| 05:44.36 | amitz | chovy: very unlikely IMHO. |
| 05:45.03 | beardy | chovy: No, why would you want to? |
| 05:45.33 | beardy | chovy: You can't install things with apt without being root, the only reason you would want to do that is if you are not root, so, what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:48.04 | zhxk | !zh |
| 05:48.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 05:50.55 | hark | zhxk: that's network manager and it won't handle interfaces that you have configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:51.54 | hark | unless you're running 0.7 |
| 05:54.19 | hark | wow, you uploaded a 1.4M bmp |
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| 05:57.42 | rafuch0 | #debian-amd64 |
| 05:57.46 | rafuch0 | lol |
| 05:57.54 | jokke92 | hello, can i make RIS SERVER with debian ? |
| 05:58.25 | zhxk | hark: how should i do? |
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| 06:00.15 | hark | zhxk: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 06:00.46 | zhxk | how to read? |
| 06:00.50 | zhxk | less? |
| 06:01.24 | streuner_ | !start an editor war |
| 06:01.24 | dpkg | vim users need to get a life |
| 06:01.45 | JrHacker | agreed! |
| 06:01.51 | streuner_ | nano rules! :-) |
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| 06:04.43 | hark | zhxk: i don't see the advantage of running network manager on a desktop. you've configured your nic already, leave it at that |
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| 06:06.50 | zhxk | hark:thanks |
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| 06:11.55 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:17.37 | DavidProck1981 | i keep having a problem with my wireless internet just stop working, i leave a server for a game running while im at work and after a few hours, |
| 06:17.50 | DavidProck1981 | my computer does not get the internet, but the other one on the network does, its not the server thow, ive been uesing the laptop while it just stop working, the reason i mention the server it so it u was to think the net activity was to idle out |
| 06:18.42 | JrHacker | #debianppc is dead, asking here. I'm running etch ppc on a powerbook g3 lombard-hybrid. Every time the laptop unexpectedly loses power (i.e. battery dies, etc), I have to reinstall yaboot. Any suggestions? |
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| 06:20.32 | DavidProck1981 | like i could only have ktorrent open and just at random the laptop cant use the internet, Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace, OR init 1, then init 5 dont work, i HAVE to do a FULL restart! ? |
| 06:20.36 | simonrvn | JrHacker: disk issues? |
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| 06:28.14 | JrHacker | simonrvn: haven't noticed any other oddities |
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| 06:31.32 | enouf | zhxk: /usr/share/doc/* and man pages are what you should read .. for almost every pkg you install .. note; if file is in .gz format use zless |
| 06:32.29 | enouf | or .. just gunzip the dir |
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| 06:32.56 | Supaplex | or memorize the gunzip sources, and use hd to decipher the bytecode yourself. |
| 06:33.06 | Supaplex | but zless is far easier. :) |
| 06:33.24 | enouf | i prefer xxd to hd |
| 06:35.39 | enouf | though .. i've noticed xxd has some size limitation issues .. does hd also have them? |
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| 06:36.46 | zhxk | enouf:thank you |
| 06:37.37 | enouf | np |
| 06:38.19 | amitz | I'm about to rent a vps service to experiment. What kind of service can I run besides: webserver, ftpserver, ircserver, mailserver, usenet server? |
| 06:38.20 | amitz | just for the heck of it. |
| 06:38.52 | amitz | the debian lenny based one. |
| 06:39.02 | enouf | fileserver |
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| 06:40.13 | amitz | fileserver as in ftpserver right? I also remember torrent server. Let me check if lenny has that in it's package. |
| 06:40.45 | enouf | amitz: tasksel --list-tasks |
| 06:40.57 | enouf | amitz: tasksel --task-packages |
| 06:41.04 | enouf | er |
| 06:41.26 | enouf | amitz: tasksel --task-packages <task-name> |
| 06:41.28 | zhxk | folks, how to configure a adsl connections? |
| 06:41.56 | amitz | enouf: oh, thanks. |
| 06:41.58 | enouf | !pppoe |
| 06:41.58 | dpkg | pppoe is probably Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet, a network protocol for encapsulating <PPP> frames in Ethernet frames, frequently used in DSL connections. There are kernel-space and user-space PPPoE drivers available for Debian. To install Debian using a PPPoE connection, ask me about <pppoe install>. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppoeconf && pppoeconf". http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 06:42.36 | zhxk | !pppoe install |
| 06:42.37 | dpkg | To install Debian via PPPoE, append 'modules=ppp-udeb' to the Debian Installer boot line (eg. installgui modules=ppp-udeb). This method is not available for <netboot> or <boot floppies>. See also <pppoe>, <install guide>. |
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| 06:43.25 | zhxk | enouf:thanks again! |
| 06:43.42 | enouf | np |
| 06:44.03 | simonrvn | what do you people do to extract pics from a pdf? |
| 06:44.08 | zhxk | np=? |
| 06:44.19 | enouf | !np |
| 06:44.20 | dpkg | well, np is "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 06:44.23 | simonrvn | !np |
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| 06:45.06 | enouf | [02:44:23] Ignoring king_crimson!* ... what a relief! |
| 06:45.27 | simonrvn | already did that |
| 06:46.30 | enouf | [02:45:43] Ignoring *!*@68-188-64-199.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ... what a relief! |
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| 06:49.01 | donkdonk | where can i download etch at? |
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| 06:49.15 | enouf | oldstable |
| 06:49.37 | enouf | !oldstable |
| 06:49.37 | dpkg | oldstable is, like, the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) is now oldstable. Ask me about <oldstable security> and consider upgrading your boxes from oldstable to stable (ask me about <oldstable->stable>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 06:50.54 | chovy | beardy: yes, I am not root. I can download teh src and compile it/install to ~/bin -- but I thought I'd ask if apt had a way to do it. |
| 06:52.29 | enouf | chovy: only installation requires root privs |
| 06:52.59 | donkdonk | enouf: i am not finding the netinstall iso. i have been all over http://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 06:53.44 | enouf | chovy: and you should consider /usr/local/ as make --prefix= option |
| 06:53.59 | enouf | !lenny netinstall |
| 06:53.59 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 06:54.17 | enouf | oh |
| 06:54.37 | enouf | try sdn or ado donkdonk |
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| 06:55.34 | enouf | donkdonk: why etch? |
| 06:56.08 | donkdonk | enouf: its the current distro for my job. i am used to rhel so i am not hip. what is sdn or ado? |
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| 06:57.10 | enouf | try "/msg dpkg sdn" or "/msg dpkg ado" donkdonk |
| 06:57.40 | chovy | enouf: thanks |
| 06:57.56 | rafuch0 | so what sources.list use the amd X2 64 based .. |
| 06:57.58 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 06:58.08 | chovy | enouf: how do i tell apt to use --prefix? |
| 06:58.14 | enouf | rafuch0: makes no sense |
| 06:58.22 | enouf | chovy: you don't |
| 06:58.42 | enouf | chovy: i thought you were compiling something |
| 06:58.50 | chovy | so there's no way. I don't believe that. :) |
| 06:58.59 | chovy | there is *always* a way. |
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| 06:59.40 | rafuch0 | enouf: i mean what repositories should i use in an amd based computer... the same as intel based? |
| 06:59.54 | unixluser | hi guys, in aptitude, i did ':' to hold a package. How do i set this permanently in a conf file? |
| 07:00.09 | unixluser | ie apt-get upgrade nor aptitude upgrade would upgrade that package |
| 07:00.44 | unixluser | basically the package is a variation of rxvt-unicde (to enable 256 colors) that i built locally. Is there any way to make it a unique package? |
| 07:00.46 | enouf | rafuch0: the official debian mirrors carry all architectures |
| 07:01.01 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 07:01.02 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>. |
| 07:01.09 | anoHito | in a folder, how do i list all the files with size order,including the sub-folders? |
| 07:01.10 | \amethyst | !hold > unixluser |
| 07:01.10 | dpkg | picks > unixluser up and holds on tight |
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| 07:01.15 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 07:01.15 | dpkg | [hold] a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic) but that aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 07:01.18 | Supaplex | hahahaa |
| 07:01.22 | unixluser | \amethyst: aww thanks |
| 07:01.33 | Supaplex | unixluser: I think dpkg <3's you |
| 07:01.35 | anoHito | i mean,i just need to know size in that folder,plus it has sub folders. |
| 07:01.36 | \amethyst | unixluser: btw, : in aptitude is one-time hold. = is normal hold |
| 07:02.03 | unixluser | \amethyst: ah right! thanks |
| 07:02.10 | Supaplex | anoHito: du -sh folder1/ folder2/ folder3/ ? |
| 07:02.19 | enouf | unixluser: you can override a hold using apt-get/aptitude install <pkgname> |
| 07:02.28 | anoHito | ok |
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| 07:02.38 | Supaplex | oh, files too. ls -l --sort=size folder1/ folder2/ ... |
| 07:03.18 | enouf | Supaplex: wtf? |
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| 07:03.50 | enouf | cd /parent dir ; du -sh . |
| 07:04.28 | Supaplex | his use of 'files too' could mean the size of each file listed one at a time... it's a bit ambigious. |
| 07:04.38 | enouf | anoHito: Supaplex oh .. sorry -- missed the initial query |
| 07:05.04 | enouf | remove the -s from du ;-) |
| 07:05.27 | Supaplex | that, and I'm very tired. lack of sleep does bad things to graymatter when it needs to do stuff. heh |
| 07:05.51 | Supaplex | goes to bed to refresh his firmware |
| 07:06.18 | anoHito | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6179660 2009-05-01 15:06 access_log |
| 07:06.28 | anoHito | this number is in kb or in kilobyte ? |
| 07:06.34 | Supaplex | bytes |
| 07:06.44 | anoHito | okay. |
| 07:06.47 | Supaplex | use -h for 'human' readable output. |
| 07:10.23 | enouf | anoHito: sudo find /tmp -mtime -10 -size +10485760c -type f -print |
| 07:11.31 | enouf | (to find all files in /tmp larger than 1M and modified within the last 10 days) |
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| 07:12.44 | anoHito | enouf, cool. |
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| 07:13.55 | enouf | !+tell anoHito about using find |
| 07:13.57 | dpkg | told anoHito about using find (using find is probably http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind) |
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| 07:19.26 | BadRobot_ | hi there |
| 07:19.54 | BadRobot_ | Could some one give some help to set up my sound card/ sound? |
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| 07:21.20 | amitz | hmm... just realized a good cause I can do on a server. To be proxy server for countries with censorship.. |
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| 07:22.51 | anoHito | in debian,how do i stop apache from doing log jobs in /var/log/httpd/access.log and error.log, i do not need them |
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| 07:25.33 | amitz | anoHito: the best I can do is change apache2.conf from default warn to critical or something like that (for error.log). Or you really really don't want any kind of log at all? |
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| 07:27.01 | anoHito | amitz, in httpd.conf i found ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/error_log ,but i do not find stuff for acess_log ? |
| 07:27.02 | amitz | anoHito: oh, from the default "warn" to "emerg". |
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| 07:28.00 | anoHito | amitz, yeah,i can comment that one,but how do i do with acess_log ? |
| 07:28.06 | anoHito | access_log |
| 07:28.23 | amitz | anoHito: don't know about access.log . Maybe you can run find on /etc/apache2 for access_log? |
| 07:28.41 | anoHito | #CustomLog /var/log/httpd/access_log common |
| 07:28.53 | anoHito | i have commented it already,restarted apache,but it is still logging |
| 07:29.22 | amitz | anoHito: no idea for now then. |
| 07:29.29 | Symbi0nt | I need to create a filename with time and date via bash .. can someone poit me to a tutorial or help me with a oneliner? |
| 07:31.23 | chris_go1 | Symbi0nt: touch filename-`date ....` ? |
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| 07:33.26 | chovy | pkg-config --libs openssl "No package 'openssl' found" -- but I have /usr/bin/openssl |
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| 07:35.34 | amitz | chovy: probably the /usr/bin/openssl is just a link or something like that. The same thing happens in a package of ping or something like that. |
| 07:35.54 | amitz | chovy: essentially, you haven't installed openssl yet. |
| 07:36.22 | chovy | amitz: it's there, I can execute it. |
| 07:36.25 | Symbi0nt | chris_go1: will check that |
| 07:36.29 | chovy | I need the libs I guess. |
| 07:36.31 | chris_go1 | chovy: you'll need libssl-dev for pkg-config to find it |
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| 07:37.47 | donkdonk | i can not find an etch iso. i can find everything else. this is nuts. |
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| 07:39.26 | SparFux | Hello. On debian bugs system, I see this message: Can you please test that with the latest upstream svn trunk and branches/2.1 ? What does it mean for iaxclient? http://iaxclient.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/iaxclient/ What should I download? trunk? branch? |
| 07:39.27 | chovy | chris_go1: ok, is there a way to tell if it is installed already? |
| 07:40.03 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:40.09 | chris_go1 | donkdonk: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ ? |
| 07:40.15 | SparFux | Is trunk the complete main developpment line? |
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| 07:40.35 | chris_go1 | chovy: dpkg -s libssl-dev |
| 07:41.10 | SparFux | Do I download the main development line with svn co https://iaxclient.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/iaxclient/trunk iaxclient ?? |
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| 07:41.28 | donkdonk | chris_go1: i saw that. the r0 thru r8. what is that? |
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| 07:41.55 | chovy | chris_go1: its odd that curl works with ssl...but libtorrent can't find openssl |
| 07:42.08 | chris_go1 | r8 sounds like the latest etch (4.0* is etch, no?) |
| 07:42.25 | enouf | chovy: dpkg -l libssl* | grep ^.i |
| 07:42.38 | donkdonk | chris_go1: i hope so |
| 07:43.06 | chris_go1 | chovy: curl is linked to the ssl library, fine. pkg-config looks for the libssl *development* files. |
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| 07:43.29 | chris_go1 | donkdonk: :) |
| 07:43.50 | chovy | enouf: libssl0.9.8 |
| 07:44.03 | chris_go1 | donkdonk: have a look: http://debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 07:44.30 | donkdonk | chris_go1: all of those links go to lenny. |
| 07:44.44 | donkdonk | i am downloading http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r8/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r8-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:44.53 | chris_go1 | that's etch. |
| 07:45.00 | chris_go1 | and that's what you asked fr. |
| 07:45.17 | chris_go1 | and http://debian.org/releases/etch/ points to etch as well, hence the name in the url. |
| 07:45.18 | donkdonk | chris_go1: ok, awesome. i was just unsure about the r8 |
| 07:45.36 | chovy | chris_go1: is there a way I can install libssl-dev to $HOME/usr ? |
| 07:46.03 | chris_go1 | chovy: yes. |
| 07:46.54 | chovy | chris_go1: what do I need to do? |
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| 07:47.46 | chris_go1 | well, there should be an INSTALL readme in the openssl sources, where things like these are documented... |
| 07:47.58 | SparFux | So, I am trying to build the iaxclient from svn "trunk". I get this error: http://paste.nerv.fi/91751559.txt Something about wxString. Can sb help? |
| 07:48.10 | zhxk | !wicd |
| 07:48.10 | dpkg | it has been said that wicd is a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <backports.org>. http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:48.24 | anoHito | it is very strange |
| 07:48.41 | Symbi0nt | how to obtain the size in bytes of a certain file? |
| 07:48.46 | zhxk | which one is better wicd or networknamager? |
| 07:48.46 | anoHito | i cannot comment the ErrorLog in httpd.conf in debian,if i do that apache refuses to restart. |
| 07:48.50 | Symbi0nt | has ls a parameter for that= |
| 07:48.57 | anoHito | (2)No such file or directory: httpd: could not open error log file /etc/httpd/logs/error_log. |
| 07:49.20 | enouf | Symbi0nt: ls -l shows bytes |
| 07:49.33 | mischief6 | what package do i need to get svn? :S |
| 07:49.48 | Symbi0nt | need only the size for a bash script |
| 07:49.57 | enouf | install subversion mischief6 |
| 07:50.30 | mischief6 | ah thanks enouf. i kept doing 'aptitude search svn' |
| 07:50.47 | enouf | so use find and cut or awk |
| 07:50.57 | SparFux | mischief6: apt-file search svn | grep bin |
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| 07:51.52 | enouf | SparFux: all i know is wx == some sort of widget making app |
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| 07:52.16 | SparFux | enouf: I heard of it. wxWin it is called. :-\ |
| 07:52.17 | jintxo | SparFux, you have build-time dependencies (on wxwidgets or whatever it is called now). to satisfy the depends, maybe something like "apt-get build-dep iaxclient" would satisfy those before trying to compile actual iaxclient? (assuming iaxclient is in debian and the packages in debian are new enough to staisfy the depends for the trunk version of iaxclient) |
| 07:52.33 | enouf | SparFux: wxWidgets or something |
| 07:53.03 | SparFux | I did build-dep, but perhaps some dependencies are not registered and I have to manually installl... |
| 07:53.04 | chovy | which arch do I need? deb 4.0 x86_64 |
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| 07:53.11 | chovy | is that i386? |
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| 07:53.30 | enouf | yes chovy |
| 07:53.38 | enouf | but also amd64 |
| 07:53.38 | anoHito | in debian, how di i completely stop apache from logging access_log and error_log ? i am going crazy :( |
| 07:53.42 | SparFux | wx2.8* |
| 07:53.44 | anoHito | they are in /var/log/httpd |
| 07:53.45 | chris_go1 | chovy: amd64 should do too |
| 07:54.17 | enouf | anoHito: man a2enmod man a2dismod ? |
| 07:54.27 | chris_go1 | chovy: out of curiosity, why do you need the oldstable release? does the current one not work? |
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| 07:55.40 | chovy | chris_go1: I'm on deb 4. |
| 07:56.04 | chovy | and I need to install it under my home...I can't find the source though. It just says use aptitude. |
| 07:56.07 | chovy | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libssl-dev |
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| 07:56.47 | anoHito | enouf, in /etc/apache2/mods-available, which file is related to logging ? |
| 07:58.09 | amitz | what's the package to find number of bytes transferred in debian lenny? |
| 07:58.31 | amitz | of a certain network interface. |
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| 07:59.07 | chris_go1 | amitz: would /sbin/ifconfig eth0 do? |
| 07:59.12 | jintxo | amitz, if you just run "ifconfig you can see tx and rx byets on an interface |
| 07:59.48 | amitz | ah, i see. Is there anything more persistent in case my debian crash? |
| 08:00.24 | chris_go1 | likes the "vnstat" package to keep track of traffic/interface. |
| 08:00.28 | amitz | anoHito: what matters is what's in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled . But I still don't know which one related to logging. |
| 08:00.58 | anoHito | amitz, me too hasn't a clue. |
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| 08:02.43 | amitz | chris_go1: hmm requires root access, scary :-). I guess I have to configure the write access manually. |
| 08:02.47 | chovy | is it even possible to get the source for compiling? |
| 08:02.50 | chovy | http://packages.debian.org/etch/amd64/libssl-dev/download |
| 08:03.09 | chris_go1 | anoHito: logging is provided by mod_log_config, not sure if one can disable the module in a stock debian apache build... |
| 08:03.40 | chris_go1 | amitz: there's sudo.... |
| 08:04.04 | anoHito | hmm |
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| 08:05.28 | simonrvn | amitz: it's built-in. i.e. core. |
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| 08:05.37 | chris_go1 | amitz: and I think one can pass an alternate vnstatrc to vnstat to build the database somewhere else... |
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| 08:06.35 | chris_go1 | amitz: you can still disable loggin though, pointing errorlog etc. to /dev/null should do... |
| 08:06.40 | anoHito | I do believe it there is a way to completely disable apache access_log and error_log in debian, just i do not know how. |
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| 08:07.05 | chris_go1 | sorry, meant anoHito .... |
| 08:08.18 | anoHito | chris_go1, good idea,haha, let me try this trick :) |
| 08:08.45 | chovy | anoHito: why disable it? |
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| 08:09.50 | anoHito | chris_go1, maybe it wont work,since i have disabled it by commenting it, restart apache says cannot open the log file,means apache needs to open a existing file to work properly by default. |
| 08:10.04 | anoHito | chovy, i have a disk bottleneck |
| 08:10.36 | anoHito | chovy, i found after i have disabled some logging tasks,the high load problem has been fixed a bit, i need to work more on that. |
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| 08:10.39 | chris_go1 | anoHito: well, /dev/null *should* exist :) |
| 08:11.20 | anoHito | chovy, there is just that access_log ,especially that error_log ,this one logs many stuff ,cuz it is a webhosting envirnment, many sites ,include sub site and etc,gees,they are all being logged. |
| 08:11.44 | unomi | is fuse the thing to use? |
| 08:11.45 | amitz | simonrvn: chris_go1: i see. |
| 08:11.55 | anoHito | chris_go1, so if the logs go to there, actually it wont write to disk at all ? |
| 08:13.19 | chris_go1 | the plan is to feed them to /dev/null, which means they're gone, causing no disk i/o. |
| 08:13.40 | anoHito | chris_go1, cheers,it worked,haha |
| 08:13.56 | chris_go1 | but again: just disable the access logs, keep the errorlog though, maybe raise the LogLevel somewhat higher... |
| 08:14.16 | chris_go1 | errorlog is kinda handy sometimes...and won't cause much disk i/o either... |
| 08:14.43 | anoHito | chris_go1, however, the default logging level is warn for error_log, since i have put it in /dev/null ,nobody will see it, but the system still log it according to the level warn, takes resources, which value is the minimal to log ? |
| 08:15.05 | chris_go1 | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#loglevel |
| 08:15.09 | chris_go1 | emerg |
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| 08:15.46 | amitz | chris_go1: are you aware of any daemon type network measurer? |
| 08:16.31 | chris_go1 | anoHito: have accesslogs for every virtualhost will cause disk i/o, the error log...hardly. |
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| 08:16.49 | anoHito | chris_go1, thank you a lot, but still the access_log has not been fixed |
| 08:16.55 | anoHito | in httpd.conf there is CustomLog /var/log/httpd/access_log common |
| 08:16.56 | chris_go1 | amitz: ntop, tried this once...but it's kinda overkill, imho... |
| 08:17.16 | anoHito | i have commented it along with from the <IfModule log_config_module> to </IfModule log_config_module> |
| 08:17.29 | BadRobot | hi |
| 08:17.31 | anoHito | restarted apache, still logging in /var/log/httpd/access_log |
| 08:17.51 | chovy | anoHito: can you use logrotate? |
| 08:18.08 | chovy | make it rotate every hour or something. |
| 08:18.13 | chovy | and only keep a few hours. |
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| 08:18.33 | simonrvn | logrotate works fine with apache... um, did any of you think to grep for the log? |
| 08:18.59 | chris_go1 | anoHito: you mean the CustomLog directive? |
| 08:19.09 | chovy | otherwise LogLevel warn |
| 08:19.26 | chovy | change that to something less verbose. |
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| 08:20.15 | SparFux | the wxwidgets problem: I read several posts on the net which blame wxwidgets compiled with unicode support for the error. strange. :-\ |
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| 08:21.13 | chris_go1 | just disable the CustomLog then.... |
| 08:21.31 | anoHito | chris_go1, http://pastebin.ca/1409258 |
| 08:21.45 | BadRobot | could someone give some help regarding sound problem |
| 08:21.47 | BadRobot | ? |
| 08:21.49 | anoHito | i have disabled them as you see in the file,restarted apache,still logging |
| 08:22.09 | BadRobot | this is my pastebin http://www.nopaste.org/p/ah4rZOoPnb |
| 08:22.25 | amitz | chris_go1: basically I want to ensure that my provider and me agree on the amount of bandwidth I consume. |
| 08:22.26 | chris_go1 | well, grep -r CustomLog /etc/apache2 ...make sure you did not forget some CustomLog? |
| 08:23.23 | chris_go1 | anoHito: btw, did you enable /server-info? There you can see your runtime configuration, CustomLog should show up as well... |
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| 08:23.42 | amitz | but it seems there is no mechanism to guarantee perfect recording of bandwidth used. The best is probably periodic cron update. |
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| 08:24.01 | anoHito | chris_go1, how do i view server-info ? |
| 08:24.43 | chris_go1 | http://yourserver/server-info, it it's enabled at all.. |
| 08:25.18 | chris_go1 | but don't wanna distract you...i find it helpful though to check the config *when* apache is started. |
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| 08:25.40 | phet | Hello, is the exaile bug in testing fixed? |
| 08:26.04 | simonrvn | phet: BTS |
| 08:26.17 | phet | sorry but what is BTS? |
| 08:26.18 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 08:26.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
| 08:26.42 | phet | I have read it but it does not says anything, at least I do not know how to read it |
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| 08:28.43 | cromag | how do i see what versions of udevd is in what versions ? |
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| 08:30.10 | phet | the bug is BST but it does not seems solved |
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| 08:33.24 | anoHito | chris_go1, 404 error, anyway, i set /dev/null for access_log ,by they ,the minal value for it should be ? it is common for right now. |
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| 08:35.28 | chris_go1 | anoHito: "common" is defined by the LogFormat directive... |
| 08:35.36 | unomi | I have *just* deleted a file I would like to get back |
| 08:35.38 | unomi | any options? |
| 08:35.40 | unomi | ext3 |
| 08:36.08 | chris_go1 | but I'm not convinced yet that you disabled all CustomLog stanzas :) |
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| 08:36.30 | zhxk | please, help me to get a wicd:http://pastebin.ca/1409270 |
| 08:36.53 | jmoncayo | how can i blacklist the module ssb |
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| 08:37.49 | rabbott | ok, i'm in dire need of help with DHCP and IP addresses.. |
| 08:37.54 | unixluser | how do i view most recent bug reports for all installed packages? |
| 08:38.06 | unixluser | ie, since i last installed or updated it |
| 08:38.18 | rabbott | I am trying to get my VM to work on my campus for class and I can't access my machine. |
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| 08:38.24 | leon2k_ | hi! does anyone know how i can allow an range of ip addresses with firestarter ? i just cant figure it out :( |
| 08:38.39 | rabbott | I used to be able to access it via osiris.cs.monmouth.edu |
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| 08:39.04 | rabbott | now apparently that hostname is pointing to an old IP addy that isn't assigned to anything... |
| 08:39.05 | petemc | unixluser: you can see the bugs before you install with apt-listbugs |
| 08:39.19 | rabbott | and instead, DHCP assigned my machine the hostname osiris-1.cs.monmouth.edu |
| 08:39.40 | rabbott | i have no clue what is going on or how to fix it |
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| 08:40.21 | anoHito | chris_go1, I am very appreciated your paticence and helps. |
| 08:40.51 | anoHito | It is strange, just having some logs would have a bottleneck on disk. |
| 08:40.53 | rabbott | please, anyone who can help me... |
| 08:41.20 | chris_go1 | anoHito: not so strange, had this too...some time ago |
| 08:41.26 | rabbott | I've spent the past 3 hours trying to figure this one out, and I have to get an assignment in by 10AM and I can't get it in if I dont figure this out 0_o |
| 08:41.48 | anoHito | chris_go1, really ? well, i have a folder in /var/log/httpd/domains |
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| 08:42.09 | petemc | rabbott: you seem to have it figured out |
| 08:42.19 | rabbott | petemc how do I have it figured out? |
| 08:42.21 | phantomcircuit | so i just had dsniff from apt-get seg fault |
| 08:42.26 | anoHito | chris_go1, so under that folder, there are many logs, each log come from the sites in the server. |
| 08:42.28 | phantomcircuit | where should i send the backtrace? |
| 08:42.35 | petemc | rabbott: it had one hostname, now it has another - what else is there to know? |
| 08:42.53 | rabbott | petemc I need to somehow have the old hostname back... I'm not allowed to change the hostname / I will fail the semester |
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| 08:43.13 | petemc | rabbott: you say it was done via dhcp? |
| 08:43.13 | chris_go1 | anoHito: it's just a matter of how many domains have their own logs...at one point the disks will be the bottleneck...why wouldn't they... |
| 08:43.16 | rabbott | Yes. |
| 08:43.31 | petemc | so, who controls the dhcp server? |
| 08:43.36 | rabbott | it uses the command "send hostname osiris" in the dhcp.conf file |
| 08:43.42 | rabbott | the university admins... |
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| 08:44.01 | chris_go1 | anoHito: so, have you checked again your /etc/apache2 for any CustomLog directives left? |
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| 08:44.14 | phantomcircuit | yeah i've got a reproducible seg fault here |
| 08:44.15 | SparFux | The solution to my wxwidgets errors seems to be: CPPFLAGS=-D__UNICODE__ has to be defined before running configure :-) |
| 08:44.19 | phantomcircuit | who should i be telling? |
| 08:44.20 | rabbott | i "send" hostname to the server, and it assigns the IP addy it gives me to the hostname I supply |
| 08:44.33 | anoHito | chris_go1, for example i have 25 clients on the same server in a webhosting talking, each client has 3 domains, plus 2 sub domains, 3+2 =5 ,the result would be 5x25 that are 125 logs in that folder and they are up2date according to if there is connectings to them ,so you may guess the log job on that folder were so BIG that was cuasing a big disk bottleneck,hence the system load kept in a high value say 5 + |
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| 08:45.01 | anoHito | chris_go1, right after i have disabled that type of logging, the system load immedately drop down to 0.x :) |
| 08:45.04 | chris_go1 | not surprising.... |
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| 08:45.41 | chris_go1 | you could still keep the logs, but feed them to a dedicated log server....for statistics and such... |
| 08:46.04 | nsadmin | maybe the logging was causing the system to increase load |
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| 08:46.08 | anoHito | chris_go1, yeah,this explained that why i found it worked a bit after i have banned the web spiders,bots,crawlers , the less accessing the less logging tasks, which results in an outcome --> less system load. |
| 08:46.45 | rabbott | i have no idea how to get my hostname to point to the IP address DHCP is supplying me... |
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| 08:46.59 | anoHito | chris_go1, i did, no,i only have that one,anyway, i have set the path to /dev/null ,no worries ,the bottleneck is the disk,not others, CPU RAM are powerful enough. |
| 08:47.10 | petemc | rabbott: if you dont control dhcp or dns, theres nothing you can do |
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| 08:48.02 | zhxk | my apt-spy introduced an error:http://pastebin.ca/1409277 |
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| 08:48.38 | rabbott | so it's something on their side that I can't control? |
| 08:49.00 | anoHito | chris_go1, I can't believe with a modern sata hdd,it is still that weak when there are a little more of writting tasks to the disk. Hmm. |
| 08:49.12 | stylesen | If I want to install squeeze (ie., debian testing) where can I get the netinst iso? Can someone point me to a working installer |
| 08:49.26 | rabbott | there's no way to tell it to update or something using dhclient? |
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| 08:49.48 | petemc | rabbott: you can send a hostname, thats about it |
| 08:49.55 | nsadmin | stylesen: consider installing lenny base then upgrade |
| 08:49.58 | petemc | you cant force that hostname to be used |
| 08:50.37 | anoHito | chris_go1, by the way, would you think it is because of the low RPM of the HDD or what ? I don't think i can fix it in another methon for example,get a SAS HDD ? with this SATA HDD, the CPU usage is very low ,i say this because the DOCS say SATA take more CPU resources when do jobs. |
| 08:50.39 | SparFux | The iaxcomm version I compile myself will be much better than the one shipped with debian. It is a more recent version and it will NOT include video support, which I don't need :-) |
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| 08:51.23 | stylesen | nsadmin: there is no direct way to install testing? |
| 08:51.39 | nsadmin | maybe there is |
| 08:51.42 | jintxo | yes there is, search for debian installer testing or something like that |
| 08:52.10 | nsadmin | in general tho, that method is always available |
| 08:52.41 | nsadmin | what do you have installed on it now? |
| 08:52.44 | chris_go1 | anoHito: I really dunno, depends on the workload.. |
| 08:53.07 | anoHito | ok. |
| 08:53.21 | chris_go1 | anoHito: have you considered just using one CustomLog for all domains, then spltting up the logs later for stats? |
| 08:53.40 | jintxo | anoHito, and maybe mounting with noatime if atime does not interest you |
| 08:53.44 | stylesen | nsadmin: I have debian lenny |
| 08:53.46 | chris_go1 | that way apache just has to write to one file descriptor....could help too.. |
| 08:53.55 | phantomcircuit | so nobody cares about dsniff seg faulting? |
| 08:53.56 | stylesen | nsadmin: but want to try a fresh install |
| 08:54.03 | nsadmin | oh, ok. |
| 08:54.33 | nsadmin | nothing you want to save? |
| 08:54.34 | stylesen | nsadmin: I couldn see a direct link to download testing netinst iso, hence I thought I can ask here |
| 08:54.37 | jmoncayo | how can i get the glxinfo aplication? |
| 08:54.41 | Garcon_ | Hi. Anyone knows what /etc/passwd- file is for? I need to operate some changes in /etc/passwd but dont know what to do with /etc/passwd- |
| 08:54.42 | nsadmin | like in /home? |
| 08:54.45 | stylesen | nsadmin: right now am backing up things |
| 08:54.51 | jintxo | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- stylesen check that one out |
| 08:54.53 | anoHito | chris_go1, thanks for the tip. |
| 08:55.12 | nsadmin | small tip... keep /home as its own partition |
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| 08:55.31 | wsxws | hi all |
| 08:56.00 | stylesen | using debian for the past many years from now, right from woody |
| 08:56.13 | stylesen | nsadmin: yes I do that regularly |
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| 08:56.28 | wsxws | im running lenny. when i add a new user by adduser and try to su to this user, there is alwas '/home/ircstuff/.bashrc: Permission denied' |
| 08:56.31 | rabbott | so All I can do is send a hostname but it can change it on me? |
| 08:58.04 | simonrvn | wsxws: first, check permissions (that includes who owns it) |
| 08:58.09 | chris_go1 | wsxws: are you using "su thisuser" or "su - thisuser"? |
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| 08:58.40 | wsxws | su user |
| 08:58.50 | chris_go1 | try su - user :) |
| 08:58.57 | stylesen | jintxo: thank you, I got it, it helps much |
| 08:58.57 | zhxk | my apt-spy introduced an error this is what happend when aptitude update:http://pastebin.ca/1409277 |
| 08:59.25 | wsxws | if got another error also, its called /home/user/.netrc: Permission denied |
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| 08:59.57 | jmoncayo | anyone please,how can i get the glxinfo? |
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| 09:00.13 | nsadmin | rabbott: the best you can do is use one of those dyndns services |
| 09:00.28 | jintxo | stylesen, I usually get the netsint image sime my NICs are usually suported and it makes it a smaller download. since you're a debian user since woody I imagine you already know this :-) |
| 09:00.47 | nsadmin | unless you can get the campus lan admin to assign you a static IP |
| 09:00.52 | wsxws | dooh, i found it |
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| 09:11.01 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:14.19 | khaije1 | hi, i have one question, can i feed mdadm components by UUID for mdadm raid? |
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| 09:18.56 | chomwitt | hi. i've installed the tobu (information manager) its in python and gpl. Is it easy to create a deb package and give to a developer for uploading? |
| 09:19.51 | khaije1 | hmm... i'm going to try to use the symlink at /dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
| 09:22.27 | zhxk | !tell me about apt-spy |
| 09:22.35 | stylesen | jintxo: you mean the business card images? |
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| 09:24.10 | jintxo | stylesen, nah I never bother with those I use the "netinst" ones. |
| 09:24.13 | stylesen | jintxo: I really dont understand what you mean by "sime" |
| 09:24.23 | jintxo | "since" sorry |
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| 09:24.36 | anoHito | netstat -ant | grep :80 | wc -l this command does what job ? show the numbers of connecting requesting or what ? |
| 09:24.40 | stylesen | jintxo: I want the netinst only, am downloading that |
| 09:24.46 | jintxo | good |
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| 09:25.32 | jintxo | the nice thing about the netinst ones is taht you can still get a base system even eith no net connection and you get can get a full system if you do have a net connection; that's why I like them :-) |
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| 09:26.41 | stylesen | jintxo: yes exactly, since the footprint is very less we can download and directly start the installation process |
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| 09:29.34 | simonrvn | chomwitt: /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 09:30.02 | chomwitt | simonrvn: thank you |
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| 09:39.40 | Tarik | Hi all |
| 09:40.54 | lillis | hello Tarik :) |
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| 09:42.32 | ferum | hi all |
| 09:42.56 | ferum | i have one question |
| 09:43.14 | ferum | when i loading base system in debian netinstall |
| 09:43.35 | ferum | i see in logs what don't found ext4-modules |
| 09:43.56 | simonrvn | why would you want ext4? |
| 09:44.16 | ferum | try |
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| 09:44.50 | simonrvn | the installer doesn't do ext4, so you're SOL. |
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| 09:45.35 | simonrvn | i dunno if squeeze's does, but like anything with testing and d-i, you take your chances. |
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| 09:45.56 | ferum | i'm using unstable netinst |
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| 09:46.13 | simonrvn | personally i wouldn't, if you plan on keeping that installation around. |
| 09:46.44 | simonrvn | if it's just a "try it out, then reinstall with something better tested, like ext3", then go for it.. |
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| 09:47.21 | jmoncayo | hey guys, where shuold i place the blacklist for ssb module? i placed it in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it keeps loading |
| 09:47.22 | simonrvn | that be IMO |
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| 09:48.18 | simonrvn | jmoncayo: you did "blacklist foo"? in that file? |
| 09:48.29 | simonrvn | s,?,, |
| 09:48.40 | jmoncayo | yes |
| 09:48.44 | jmoncayo | blacklist ssb |
| 09:49.51 | simonrvn | is it in /etc/modules ("ssb")? |
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| 09:51.13 | jmoncayo | simonrvn: nope |
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| 09:52.36 | simonrvn | hm, is it getting loaded from somwhere else? as that's the only way i can see it getting overidden, is by some conf loading it, and ignoring the blacklist. mine is in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 09:53.05 | simonrvn | i'm on sid with this box.. |
| 09:54.35 | jmoncayo | i remember i blacklisted it before from some other file but i dont remember which one |
| 09:54.38 | jmoncayo | :( |
| 09:56.52 | jmoncayo | other question, i have a touchscreen, but i cant find the /dev/usb/hiddev0 device anymore |
| 09:57.08 | jmoncayo | i reinstalled debian and the file is gone |
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| 09:58.41 | bigpresh | jmoncayo: I assume you've tried unplugging it then plugging it back in? |
| 09:59.34 | ersoy | hif1, do you have information about the sbnc ? |
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| 09:59.58 | ersoy | hii do you have information about the sbnc ? |
| 10:00.11 | rca | hello |
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| 10:01.26 | rca | i've installed the php5-gd package on lenny and this seems to have broken php5-mysql. php can't enable the mysql functions anymore, even though the extensions are listed in /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini and mysqli.ini. phpinfo() shows that it parses those files, but no mysql functions are available |
| 10:02.02 | jmoncayo | bigpresh: it is built-in for my laptop |
| 10:02.09 | jmoncayo | i cannot unplug it or plug it |
| 10:02.26 | bigpresh | jmoncayo: Ahh :) |
| 10:02.40 | bigpresh | Is there a kernel module you need to load for it to work? |
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| 10:03.28 | jmoncayo | i dont know |
| 10:03.37 | jmoncayo | last time i installed debian, the file was already there |
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| 10:04.29 | rca | ah, i found the solution |
| 10:04.42 | rca | apt-get --reinstall install libmysqlclient15off php5-mysql php5-gd |
| 10:04.49 | rca | otherwise something with mysql connectivity is fucked up |
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| 10:12.11 | omry | is 14.1MB/sec a good write speed for a new usb thumb drive? (kingstone 16GB data-traveler) |
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| 10:23.33 | anoHito | If i install a SAS riser for my 1U case, install lenny, would it have any problem to recognize the SAS HDD by then ? |
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| 10:23.45 | Ogedei | what is the recommended way to have (for example) postgresql installed, but not have it started automatically on booting? i removed the /etc/init.d file, but this gets 'fixed' every time i upgrade |
| 10:23.49 | Zvpun | I have used sound-juicer to encode audio cds to ogg. Now when inserting a audio cd sound juicer no longer shows a track list. I have tried different audio cds still it looks like no cd is in the drive. Any help is welcome |
| 10:24.11 | petemc | anoHito: if the linux kernel has support for the hardware, it will work with debian |
| 10:24.18 | Zvpun | Ogedei: I'd use update-rc.d |
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| 10:24.45 | anoHito | petemc, How are you lately ? |
| 10:24.52 | petemc | anoHito: all good, its friday! |
| 10:24.55 | Ogedei | Zvpun: I seem to remember that that also gets revered on an upgrade, but I'll try again |
| 10:25.26 | anoHito | well, i would guess, if we assume the modern linux kernel won't support most of generic SAS chipset/card, that would be UNBELIEVABLE |
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| 10:26.36 | JyZyXEL | i have a disk that says "Debian Stable "etch" Net Install" |
| 10:26.41 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i can use this to install lenny |
| 10:27.02 | petemc | JyZyXEL: it will install an etch base which you can then upgrade |
| 10:27.34 | JyZyXEL | so its gonna work? ;o |
| 10:27.46 | petemc | provided etch supports your hardware |
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| 10:28.27 | JyZyXEL | sometimes i wish USB boot would work |
| 10:28.33 | petemc | it does |
| 10:28.49 | JyZyXEL | is there a net install image for USB? |
| 10:28.55 | petemc | yes |
| 10:29.11 | JyZyXEL | well i coudln't find one from debian.org |
| 10:29.38 | petemc | !usb install |
| 10:29.39 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 10:30.20 | JyZyXEL | There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as syslinux and its configuration file. |
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| 10:30.28 | JyZyXEL | there? |
| 10:30.59 | zhxk | which tools-gnome can add multiip to a single eth? should network-manager-gnome be copled? |
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| 10:31.06 | JyZyXEL | where are all the downloads |
| 10:31.22 | zhxk | which "tools"-gnome can add multiip to a single eth? should network-manager-gnome be copled? |
| 10:31.47 | zhxk | which "tools"-gnome can add multiip to a single eth? should network-manager-gnome be copled with? |
| 10:32.11 | petemc | try asking a few more times |
| 10:32.31 | JyZyXEL | usually 5 times does the trick |
| 10:33.02 | JyZyXEL | i found it with google http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 10:33.23 | JyZyXEL | now last time i did this i ended up with USB that had 3 broken partitions |
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| 10:33.55 | bzed | Manoj: no, yaird is not useable at all as soon you're using a bit more than a minimal home desktop |
| 10:34.14 | bzed | Manoj: imho yaird shoul dhave been removed from debian since a long time |
| 10:34.47 | JyZyXEL | i fucking knew it |
| 10:34.56 | JyZyXEL | i " zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda" like the doc said |
| 10:35.02 | JyZyXEL | open up the stick in gparted |
| 10:35.13 | JyZyXEL | there is a damaged 1.90GiB fat16 partition |
| 10:35.22 | bzed | Manoj: all tools which need hooks in the initrd ship them for initramfs-tools, using yaird doesn't make sense at all anymore |
| 10:35.26 | JyZyXEL | now how the fuck are you supposed to boot into that |
| 10:35.33 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't even have the boot flag |
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| 10:36.09 | JyZyXEL | init H: non DOS media\nCannot initialize 'H:'\nmlabel: Cannot initialize drive |
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| 10:36.38 | JyZyXEL | seriosly the image is fucking broken |
| 10:36.45 | petemc | you're fucking broken |
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| 10:37.40 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck is wrong in this |
| 10:37.55 | JyZyXEL | ill try with other sticks |
| 10:38.03 | petemc | you dont know what you're fucking doing as you dont read fucking documentation |
| 10:38.07 | zhxk | which "tool"-gnome can have a fine tune to startup services? |
| 10:38.13 | JyZyXEL | petemc im reading the god damn documentation |
| 10:38.15 | JyZyXEL | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 10:38.24 | JyZyXEL | To use this image simply extract it directly to your USB stick: |
| 10:38.24 | JyZyXEL | # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX |
| 10:39.24 | JyZyXEL | yea i tried with another stick |
| 10:39.25 | JyZyXEL | same story |
| 10:39.39 | JyZyXEL | damaged fat16 partition thats the size of the whole stick |
| 10:39.43 | JyZyXEL | and no boot flag |
| 10:40.10 | JyZyXEL | thats how great it works |
| 10:40.40 | blast_hardcheese | help |
| 10:40.42 | zhxk | which "tool"-gnome will even look into init 3 level services? |
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| 10:41.03 | hoxu | almost like a sunday |
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| 10:45.25 | petemc | zhxk: ls -la /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 10:46.00 | zhxk | petemc:thanks |
| 10:46.08 | petemc | zhxk: its the same as rc2.d tho, you're free to customize it if you want |
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| 10:47.17 | zhxk | well, what i need is seems to be bm, that have graphical interface |
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| 10:48.22 | petemc | you need to stop your display manager from starting, debian isnt red hat which uses another runlevel for x |
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| 10:50.19 | zhxk | how to query current runlevel? |
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| 10:51.03 | zhxk | !runlevel |
| 10:51.04 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
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| 10:52.16 | zhxk | tel me about file-rc |
| 10:52.23 | zhxk | !tel me about file-rc |
| 10:52.30 | zhxk | !tell me about file-rc |
| 10:52.38 | hoxu | !selftell |
| 10:52.38 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 10:53.48 | badzo | Hello |
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| 10:55.14 | ikonia | hello |
| 10:55.31 | zhxk | thanks |
| 10:56.17 | JyZyXEL | A driver for your hardware is not available. You may need to load drivers from removable media |
| 10:56.38 | JyZyXEL | there is no networking drivers in the installation CD |
| 10:56.44 | JyZyXEL | nice going |
| 10:58.55 | JyZyXEL | net install CD doesn't have all the NIC drivers... who the hell designed this |
| 10:59.45 | khaije1 | what is the way to list the symlinks pointing to a particular file? |
| 10:59.56 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: Well, there is alot of nics out there. |
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| 11:00.08 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: What hardware are you using? Maybe new nahalem motherboard? |
| 11:00.19 | JyZyXEL | Asus A8N-SLI |
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| 11:01.37 | JyZyXEL | nvidia CK804 ethernet controller |
| 11:03.15 | JyZyXEL | god damnit how the hell am i supposed to install now |
| 11:03.36 | JyZyXEL | if the installer doesn't support networking then its game over |
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| 11:05.29 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, I have that exact same motherboard and all netinstall cd's that I have ever used have worked flawlessly. weird. |
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| 11:05.51 | jintxo | well I think maybe etch didn't , not sure now |
| 11:06.02 | JyZyXEL | i just burned a brand new lenny |
| 11:06.17 | OpenTokix | JyZyXEL: Get another nic? |
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| 11:06.44 | JyZyXEL | no i wanna know whats wrong with this one |
| 11:06.53 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: there are two major possibilities: kernel too old and not supporting your hardware; or your hardware requiring nonfree firmware |
| 11:07.18 | zhxk | how to get current run level kown, thanks |
| 11:07.26 | jintxo | jelly-home, that used to be the case (non-fee stuff) but there has been a reverse engineered open driver for ages for that card |
| 11:07.34 | JyZyXEL | there just ain't no way i can install linux in this machine |
| 11:07.35 | henkpoley | anybody knows of a script to compare current installed pages against a tentative clean install? (much like --empty-tree on gentoo) |
| 11:07.37 | jintxo | zhxk, run "runlevel" |
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| 11:07.55 | henkpoley | I want to cleanup some unused stuff on my VPS |
| 11:08.02 | JyZyXEL | i even tried the debootstrap but not much use when it doesn't install a bootloader |
| 11:08.10 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: which installer are you using? |
| 11:08.18 | JyZyXEL | jelly the newest |
| 11:08.24 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: url. |
| 11:08.27 | zhxk | jintxo:it respones:N 2 |
| 11:08.37 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, I don't know what you are doing, but lenny installs fine on my 'puter with that mobo |
| 11:08.45 | jintxo | zhxk, thanks for the info ... |
| 11:08.53 | JyZyXEL | jintxo so how the hell is this possible? |
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| 11:08.59 | bokey | hi guys |
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| 11:09.07 | bokey | does anyone remember the switch for 'not' translating remote symlinks to local ones? demn mount(8) doesn't seem to document it |
| 11:09.12 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 11:09.16 | gusto | JyZyXEL: you feel home here somehow |
| 11:09.20 | cousin_luigi | is it possible to set a global kernel option in grub? |
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| 11:09.32 | JyZyXEL | jelly-home i can't get the url as i have no mouse now |
| 11:09.34 | zhxk | jintxo:what does it mean? |
| 11:09.38 | JyZyXEL | its from debian.org |
| 11:09.50 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: a lenny installer? |
| 11:09.51 | JyZyXEL | the lenny net installer i386 |
| 11:09.52 | bokey | remote symlinks breaking with cifs any idea? |
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| 11:10.09 | bokey | (how i could fix it?) |
| 11:10.46 | jintxo | zhxk, it means that your are in runlevel 2. and just as an added bonus I will tell you that 2 is usually the default runlevel for debian (check /etc/inittab) |
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| 11:11.18 | JyZyXEL | where the hell is all the debug output from the installer |
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| 11:11.50 | jelly-home | isn't inclined to help someone doing all the useless swearing |
| 11:12.00 | zhxk | jintxo:than you for your answer and your bonus! |
| 11:12.04 | jintxo | yup |
| 11:12.06 | petemc | the complaining tone gets me more than the swearing |
| 11:12.14 | petemc | as if hes right and the software is all wrong |
| 11:12.24 | bokey | jelly-home: is that me? i dunno lol |
| 11:12.26 | bokey | :D |
| 11:12.47 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, anyways, the netinstall will get you a base system, even without networking set up, won't it? you can fix whatever later I guess. |
| 11:13.00 | zhxk | jintxo:well, what does N mean here? |
| 11:13.03 | JyZyXEL | really? |
| 11:13.07 | JyZyXEL | ill try that |
| 11:13.12 | jelly-home | bokey: it's not you, please continue. |
| 11:13.18 | jintxo | zhxk, hell if I know :-) |
| 11:13.21 | bokey | remote symlinks breaking with cifs. Does anyone have any idea if theres an option to prevent it in cifs? |
| 11:13.24 | bokey | jelly-home: ^^^ |
| 11:13.45 | jelly-home | "remote symlinks"? |
| 11:13.56 | zhxk | jintxo:well, thanks as well |
| 11:14.02 | bokey | jelly-home: remote fs has symlink in a directory. |
| 11:14.06 | JyZyXEL | jintxo you are wrong |
| 11:14.10 | jelly-home | bokey: and? |
| 11:14.11 | jintxo | thank you |
| 11:14.13 | feitingen | zhxk: N stands for that there was no previous runlevel |
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| 11:14.19 | JyZyXEL | the installer doesn't install ANYTHING before you have networking |
| 11:14.46 | jelly-home | bokey: samba won't rewrite symlinks on the fly. For that matter, neither will NFS. |
| 11:14.53 | JyZyXEL | probably cause its a NET-installer |
| 11:14.59 | bokey | demn i am screwed jelly-home |
| 11:15.11 | bokey | jelly-home: is there any other way out? |
| 11:15.15 | feitingen | zhxk: if you switch to, say, runlevel 3, the output will become "2 3" saying that 2 was the previous and 3 is the current runlevel |
| 11:15.29 | jelly-home | bokey: don't use symlinks, or make them relative if it helps |
| 11:15.46 | bokey | jelly-home: what do you mean by relative? thanks |
| 11:16.25 | jelly-home | bokey: link to ../../foo/bar instead of /mnt/foo/bar |
| 11:16.35 | bokey | jelly-home: ahh right. will try that |
| 11:17.01 | zhxk | feitingen:perfect1 |
| 11:17.01 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, I know I have done it in the past, maybe doing an "expert" install, can't recall. directly telling me that I'm wrong without investigating is kind of unpolite, you know. please learn some manners. |
| 11:17.08 | zhxk | feitingen:perfect! thanks! |
| 11:17.18 | jelly-home | bokey: assuming the links point a place on the very same already shared mountpoint |
| 11:18.03 | JyZyXEL | well ill try that |
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| 11:18.38 | jintxo | the netinstall contains the base system and downloads the rest, as opposed to business card which doesn't contain either. |
| 11:19.04 | petemc | the business card has the base, but no ppp support, i thought |
| 11:19.07 | JyZyXEL | then did i get that version? |
| 11:19.14 | JyZyXEL | how do i know? |
| 11:19.21 | JyZyXEL | i think the image was like 160MB |
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| 11:20.17 | petemc | JyZyXEL: the thing is, you dont know what you're doing, or even what you're using, yet somehow you feel qualified to say "this doesnt fucking work" and "you're fucking wrong" |
| 11:20.20 | JyZyXEL | i just tried expert mode and it doesn't allow you to install anything before networking is up |
| 11:20.20 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, if you don't know what version you got, figure yourself out and then ask questions. |
| 11:20.32 | JyZyXEL | i can't figure out |
| 11:20.35 | JyZyXEL | i have no mouse |
| 11:20.39 | petemc | ... |
| 11:20.50 | petemc | lack of mouse isnt your biggest problem |
| 11:21.18 | JyZyXEL | well jintox was wrong |
| 11:21.24 | jintxo | thanks again :-) |
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| 11:21.34 | JyZyXEL | i just tried the expert install and it indeed does not allow you to install anything before networking |
| 11:21.40 | JyZyXEL | and this is the newest lenny install CD so yea |
| 11:21.54 | petemc | JyZyXEL: you're not in a position to say anyone is wrong or right as you clearly have no clue |
| 11:21.56 | Turms | i use squeeze, have an atheros wi-fi pci card, in my other computer i used madwifi for having it working, but now i tried to install madwifi-source and madwifi-tools but dselect doesn't find them, what can i do? |
| 11:21.58 | JyZyXEL | maybe in the past it allowed and jintox has old knowledge |
| 11:22.22 | JyZyXEL | petemc oh im very much in the position since i have the installer in front of me |
| 11:22.48 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, what I don't understand is, when facing these problems, why you don't just download a full CD instead of the newtorking ones or try other things before telling us that we are wrong. |
| 11:23.01 | feitingen | Turms: you can try installing it a bit more manually with "apt-get install madwifi-source madwifi-tools" |
| 11:23.27 | JyZyXEL | jintxo cause then it installs old packages from the CD |
| 11:23.32 | JyZyXEL | and you just end up upgrading them anyways |
| 11:23.40 | mirak | is there an heavy client for mailing lists ? |
| 11:23.50 | JyZyXEL | so pointless time is wasted installing the old packages from the CD |
| 11:23.56 | jintxo | JyZyXEL, and my knowledge of lenny is that I was using it fine with your same motherboard for a long time before upgrading to squeeze. so pardon me but I am done with you for now. |
| 11:23.58 | JyZyXEL | since they are anwyays gonna be upgraded from network |
| 11:24.02 | petemc | mirak: not a mailing list manager? whats a client in that context? |
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| 11:24.04 | Turms | feitingen: well, i try, but i do not think that apt-get can find a pkg that dselect doesn't find browsing in the same repo's :-D |
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| 11:24.17 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: which is worse than not having a working old system how? |
| 11:24.49 | JyZyXEL | yea well i did not know it was gonna be like this |
| 11:24.51 | mirak | petemc: like there are clients for newsgroups |
| 11:25.11 | JyZyXEL | i presumed that a net installer CD would have all the networking drivers you could think of |
| 11:25.12 | petemc | mirak: oh, just a mail client then |
| 11:25.24 | feitingen | Turms: i had the same problem just 5 minutes ago, and apt-get found it. you can also try searching for it with "apt-cache search madwifi" |
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| 11:25.31 | bokey | jelly-home: yep. :) |
| 11:25.32 | petemc | mirak: one that supports threading would be best for mailing lists, i use mutt |
| 11:25.35 | bokey | great jelly-home |
| 11:25.44 | bokey | jelly-home: thanks |
| 11:25.53 | feitingen | Turms: it seems to me that dselect doesn't get the full picture sometimes |
| 11:25.54 | bokey | oh boy great symlink lesson today |
| 11:26.12 | Turms | feitingen: yes, this is a good idea, anyway i do not believe you could find with apt-get a pkg which dselect or aptitude did not find |
| 11:26.12 | zhxk_ | how to get rid of messy code?http://imagebin.ca/view/uyvPo7.html |
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| 11:26.59 | bokey | jelly-home: the thing is that i was asking more for a _do not translate remote to local symlink_ option (like 'dont follow symlink').. but that surely doesn't exist |
| 11:27.05 | mirak | petemc: ok. however it's not possible to browse a mailing list exepts on it's own wepage right ? why not use newsgroups instead ? |
| 11:27.16 | Turms | feitingen: well, i'm not so sure! it is 10 yrs i use dselect, i do not think i can switch to aptitude :-D |
| 11:27.31 | bokey | s/dont//g |
| 11:27.36 | petemc | mirak: lots of people dont know what nntp is, theres nothing stopping you from using it tho |
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| 11:28.28 | mirak | petemc: what do you mean ? I would do a forum instead anyway if I needed to |
| 11:28.29 | jelly-home | bokey: symlinks are just objects on the filesystem, like a string. Samba won't rewrite them for you. |
| 11:28.52 | bokey | jelly-home: yep figured it now :) |
| 11:29.08 | bokey | (option does not exist) |
| 11:29.15 | petemc | mirak: you ask why dont people use newsgroups, obviously i cant speak for anyone other than myself, but i would suggest its because most people wouldnt know what a newsgroup is, but most are familiar with email |
| 11:29.29 | jelly-home | bokey: if you show the actual fs structure, some alternatives might present themselves. Perhaps using bind mounts is a possibility. |
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| 11:29.51 | jelly-home | bokey: or sharing all the necessary filesystems. |
| 11:29.57 | JyZyXEL | well im fucking done with this shit |
| 11:30.05 | JyZyXEL | im gonna go buy beer and get drunk |
| 11:30.10 | petemc | thats the spirit |
| 11:30.11 | feitingen | Turms: could you please try anyways to prove me wrong? |
| 11:30.52 | Turms | feitingen: well apt-cache search madwifi finds hostapd only, and i do not think this pkg can be useful, as far as i know it works on top of madwifi |
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| 11:31.45 | bokey | jelly-home: yep checking bind mounts |
| 11:32.08 | Turms | feitingen: well, i've tried apt-get install madwifi-tools madwifi-source, but it answers that this two packages are mentioned by another pkgs but are not available |
| 11:33.27 | jelly-home | !madwifi |
| 11:33.27 | dpkg | [madwifi] the old <non-free> driver for non-USB wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask about <zd1211rw>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath_pci , http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support , #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k>. |
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| 11:34.04 | feitingen | lovely! |
| 11:34.10 | Turms | jelly-home: many thanks! :-) |
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| 11:35.59 | mirak | petemc: yes, I prefer web forums anyway. newsgroups where great to do offline answers, and to have the load spread over different servers, however now this makes less sens. but that's offtopic, sorry |
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| 11:36.39 | piplos | 'morning |
| 11:36.52 | piplos | i have a problem on my debian :( |
| 11:37.41 | piplos | the make-kpkg, to make new kernel deb packages, doesn't make any initrd :( |
| 11:37.58 | piplos | i've specified it by command |
| 11:38.19 | piplos | exactly this: |
| 11:38.23 | piplos | piplos@vaio:~$ sudo make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version -piplos kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 11:38.35 | piplos | can anyone help me? :/ |
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| 11:41.15 | cahoot | piplos: and you definitely want an initrd? |
| 11:41.27 | piplos | for now, yes |
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| 11:41.58 | piplos | else, if you can help me to leave initrd down... |
| 11:42.56 | piplos | what should i do to add necessary support without initrd? |
| 11:43.00 | cahoot | piplos: well just config the kernel to not use an initrd |
| 11:43.19 | cahoot | (or initramfs) |
| 11:43.41 | piplos | so, which modules could be enabled by default? (ext3 and sata support, and...?) |
| 11:44.08 | cahoot | piplos: learning how to config a kernel is not done via irc |
| 11:44.26 | piplos | i know :/ |
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| 11:46.36 | jelly-home | unless perhaps in ##kernel |
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| 11:47.48 | jelly-home | piplos: you'll need support for your boot controller, your boot disk, your partition table format and your filesystem |
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| 11:48.16 | piplos | yeah, but i joined here because debian (with his debian-way "make-kpkg") wouldn't create a initrd |
| 11:48.30 | piplos | i'm googling about that :) |
| 11:48.40 | jelly-home | piplos: since sata looks like scsi to the upper layers, you'll need scsi and scsi_disk too. |
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| 11:49.30 | liable | piplos: you can just run update-initramfs to build the initrd if make-kpkg didnt. have you checked for bugs for kpkg? |
| 11:49.39 | piplos | thanks for the info, jelly-home |
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| 11:50.07 | piplos | i'm searching just now, liable |
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| 11:56.57 | piplos | thanks liable, i resolved with update-initramfs :) |
| 11:57.10 | piplos | i'm rebooting :) |
| 11:57.15 | liable | cool |
| 11:57.20 | Wooga | how to get sources of sid package in squeeze? i added deb-src mymirror/debian/ sid main, updated cache, so sid's package can be seen in apt-get show pkgname, but apt-get -t sid source pkgname getting not sid, but squeeze version of sources |
| 11:59.19 | Wooga | adding =pkgversion to pkgname does not helps too - apt-get just can't find such package |
| 11:59.38 | Wooga | *pkgversion from apt-get show pkgname |
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| 12:02.34 | abrotman | !tell Wooga about ssb |
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| 12:10.47 | Wooga | thanks |
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| 12:17.52 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 12:18.28 | SidGBF | is there a way to set UTF8 to be my default charset? I mean, when a new file is created, be in utf8 |
| 12:18.29 | ilaiho | is a 400 mhz G4 PPC processor enough for encrypted lvm |
| 12:19.00 | mosno | SidGBF: i think it depends on the program which creates the file |
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| 12:20.28 | korhojoa_ | hello :p |
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| 12:21.17 | ringo999 | after installing a module using m-a how do I revert and uninstall? purge? |
| 12:21.40 | OpenTokix | man m-a? |
| 12:21.49 | liable | ringo999: just uninstall the package it created |
| 12:22.02 | OpenTokix | Use with care according to man page. |
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| 12:23.00 | ringo999 | liable: wigh dpkg? |
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| 12:23.34 | liable | ringo999: no, apt-get/aptitude .. you can use dpkg if you want, but no real need |
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| 12:26.45 | Caelum | does aptitude show all your packages? I only see some of them |
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| 12:28.15 | Caelum | will try synaptic |
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| 12:28.30 | liable | depends what you used as the search term i guess |
| 12:29.11 | Caelum | liable: I just exanded the "installed packages" and "upgradable packages" thingies, but they seem to be missing stuff |
| 12:29.46 | azeem | Caelum: like? |
| 12:29.49 | liable | oh, if your using the ncurses iface, i have no clue. i dont particularly like or know it |
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| 12:30.22 | Caelum | azeem: like iceweasel wasn't there anywhere (and I know I have it installed) |
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| 12:40.38 | spacepluk | hi, I'm trying to add a new font to use with some tk apps (gitk, gitgui). I've copied the fonts to ~/.fonts and then call to fc-cache -f. But I can't see the font in the list. Any help? |
| 12:41.43 | Turms_ | !ath5k |
| 12:41.44 | dpkg | from memory, ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <wireless tree>. |
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| 12:43.40 | M0E-lnx | I read it somewhere, but I forgot where |
| 12:43.42 | M0E-lnx | or how to do it |
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| 12:55.53 | zhxk | hello, may i swith the root filesystem to another partition? thanks! |
| 12:56.12 | makubex1111 | let's fight! http://chucknorrrris.mybrute.com |
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| 13:01.02 | themill | dpkg: tell zhxk about multiple ask |
| 13:01.09 | fishsponge | hey people - i'm about to take delivery of a Dell Poweredge 2950 with PERC6i RAID card - does anyone know if the latest stable Debian will work with this card? |
| 13:01.18 | JyZyXEL | so now that im drunk i might try again to install lenny |
| 13:01.54 | JyZyXEL | this time before booting to the installer i wanna have confirmation that the offical CD1 will have support for my NIC |
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| 13:02.52 | JyZyXEL | actually i don't think that even matters lol what am i tihnkin |
| 13:03.22 | justin | fishsponge: I have a 2950 with etch on it |
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| 13:03.53 | petemc | fishsponge: raid will work, you'll need firmware for the nic |
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| 13:04.40 | fishsponge | petemc, how would i get the NICs working then? do i need to flash them? |
| 13:05.12 | petemc | no, the installer will ask you for firmware, you can give it the files it needs on a usb key |
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| 13:05.28 | zhxk | thanks for advicing |
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| 13:05.34 | fishsponge | petemc, you mean drivers or firmware? |
| 13:05.44 | petemc | which one did i say? |
| 13:05.52 | fishsponge | petemc, you said firmware... lol |
| 13:05.55 | petemc | :) |
| 13:06.04 | fishsponge | petemc, you do mean drivers, right? |
| 13:06.08 | petemc | no, i mean firmware |
| 13:06.23 | fishsponge | petemc, doesn't firmware get installed onto chips on hardware? |
| 13:06.31 | fishsponge | and if so, surely that means flashing the NICs,?? |
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| 13:07.21 | Younix | can someone help me diagnose this problem: http://rafb.net/p/ATzHd141.html |
| 13:07.22 | petemc | you know im not sure, it may just be a blob that runs in the kernel |
| 13:07.37 | petemc | either way, you just need to hand it the files |
| 13:07.38 | fishsponge | petemc, ok, well whatever i guess - if it works, it works! |
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| 13:07.44 | fishsponge | where would i get these files from though? |
| 13:07.59 | petemc | firmware-bnx2 package |
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| 13:08.04 | fishsponge | petemc, i take it you've installed lenny onto a 2950? |
| 13:08.08 | petemc | sure have |
| 13:08.13 | petemc | more than one, in fact |
| 13:08.17 | JyZyXEL | how bout in a microwave? |
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| 13:08.31 | fish_zone | does anyone have alsa drivers working with vmware? |
| 13:08.36 | fishsponge | it's not possible to have some other contact detail for you, is it? i may need some help doing this when the server arrives... all above board etc... - this is for work |
| 13:08.56 | fishsponge | petemc, and also... how would i install the firmware-bnx2 package before i've installed the OS?? |
| 13:08.59 | petemc | lots of people here use dells |
| 13:09.09 | fishsponge | ah, ok - that'd good to know |
| 13:09.12 | petemc | you pull the files you need out of the package |
| 13:09.19 | Younix | there are, obviously, only four users according to "who" but uptime says 20 users |
| 13:09.22 | Younix | any ideas? |
| 13:09.30 | fishsponge | ok... well i don't have another debian box right now... all opensuse - i assume that'd work somehow? |
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| 13:09.50 | petemc | fishsponge: deb files are ar archives |
| 13:10.13 | petemc | fishsponge: you can also get the files from elsewhere if you look hard enough |
| 13:10.21 | fishsponge | petemc, ok... i've never heard of those, but can't be too tough to expand... so where might i find the correct firmware-bnx2 package file? |
| 13:10.22 | JyZyXEL | suse used have an ad that described suse to be "- Hard to hack" |
| 13:10.41 | petemc | fishsponge: bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw would be the filename |
| 13:10.49 | JyZyXEL | makes you wonder what kind of people are behind it |
| 13:10.52 | petemc | bnx2-09-4.0.5.fw as well |
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| 13:11.24 | fishsponge | petemc, which one should i use though? |
| 13:11.37 | petemc | i stuck both on the key |
| 13:11.56 | fishsponge | ok, cool... so is that .fw file within the firmware-bnx2 package? |
| 13:12.02 | fishsponge | if so, where would i download the pacage from? |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
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| 13:14.23 | fishsponge | petemc, thanks for the pointers... so if i download "http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-bnx2_0.14+lenny1_all.deb" then unpackage it, i should find those two ".fw" files in there? |
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| 13:15.18 | petemc | fishsponge: suck it and see |
| 13:15.57 | Younix | goddamnit. |
| 13:15.57 | Younix | ;/ |
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| 13:17.28 | fishsponge | petemc, ok, will do... going to attempt that now! don't have the server yet, but i can see what's in that package :-) |
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| 13:17.47 | fishsponge | one last question - does latest stable debian have 2.4 kernel or 2.6 ? Linux Format says it has 2.4.26... |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | it's 2.6.26 |
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| 13:18.45 | stew | fishsponge: if you are seeing something saying debian stable has a 2.4 kernel, you are looking at something very out of date (by several years and multiple releases) |
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| 13:19.07 | fishsponge | steve, it's in last month's Linux Format magazine... |
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| 13:19.21 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:19.22 | fishsponge | my copy of Linux Format says "The Lenny kernel is 2.4.26, and there is....." |
| 13:19.31 | jintxo | typo? |
| 13:19.31 | fishsponge | stew, ^ |
| 13:19.35 | fishsponge | i guess so |
| 13:19.40 | AndroidData | i've got a question: is it possible to create a chroot jail which has its own users? it's own uids and gids with different access within the jail? |
| 13:19.43 | stew | fishsponge: that's a typo then |
| 13:19.44 | fishsponge | so lenny definitely uses 2.6 then, right? |
| 13:19.52 | DexterF | weird soudn problem: machine came up this morning and all sounds are only a third in volume. mixer all up, checked wiring, all fine. where else can I look? |
| 13:19.57 | themill | fishsponge: most definitely 2.6.26 |
| 13:19.58 | stew | fishsponge: 2.4 won't work AT ALL in lenny |
| 13:19.58 | DexterF | ES1371, etch |
| 13:20.00 | azeem | fishsponge: of course |
| 13:20.06 | fishsponge | excellent :-) |
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| 13:20.26 | stew | fishsponge: like, it would be impossible to use a 2.4 kernel with lenny even if you wanted to |
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| 13:23.00 | anodesni | Hi, I just installed my usb webcam, but it does not show up in cheese or skype. When I type lsusb it shows the webcam "Aiptek International, Inc. Mini PenCam 2". Why doesn't it work? |
| 13:23.18 | ajavid | cheese? |
| 13:23.33 | anodesni | that's a gnome app for your webcam |
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| 13:23.37 | ajavid | ok |
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| 13:23.57 | JyZyXEL | anodesni does dmesg say anything? |
| 13:24.01 | ajavid | it shows up in lsusb becuase lsusb only tells you usb connected devices |
| 13:24.10 | ajavid | anodesni, which driver is required to run this camera? |
| 13:24.21 | ajavid | anodesni, you need to find that out, and load the kernel driver module |
| 13:24.23 | Pythack | Hello |
| 13:24.31 | anodesni | ajavid, I really don't know |
| 13:24.36 | ajavid | look it up |
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| 13:24.46 | anodesni | ajavid, the brand is Medion which is not a common brand |
| 13:24.51 | ajavid | type in your brand model + 'linux driver' |
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| 13:24.56 | anodesni | ajavid, and it used to work in fedora and ubuntu |
| 13:25.14 | ajavid | or actually it may help |
| 13:25.17 | ajavid | !hcl |
| 13:25.17 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>. |
| 13:25.18 | themill | gspca |
| 13:25.22 | anodesni | ajavid, I know for sure that the company doesn't have a linux driver |
| 13:25.25 | ajavid | ok themill found it |
| 13:25.34 | ajavid | anodesni, you need to build the gspca module sources using module-assistant |
| 13:25.36 | ajavid | !gspca |
| 13:25.36 | dpkg | The GSCPA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gscpa one-liner>. Module included in mainline kernel from 2.6.27. Supported devices: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html See also <uvcvideo>. |
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| 13:25.59 | anodesni | do you think that's the correct driver? |
| 13:26.13 | ajavid | themill is ususally right |
| 13:26.21 | ajavid | you should make sure however |
| 13:26.29 | ajavid | type in your brand model + 'linux driver' |
| 13:26.31 | themill | http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/lxr/source/Documentation/video4linux/gspca.txt |
| 13:26.34 | anodesni | ok, wait a sec |
| 13:26.40 | bkw | Is is something new that copied net-isos to hd-media usb sticks are not automatically found during installation? |
| 13:27.15 | ajavid | usually you copy the the iso to the root of the drive |
| 13:27.26 | ajavid | as per installation guide |
| 13:27.32 | michas | Hi, Is there a way to build the cs46xx module in debian testing? It was removed from debian kernel because of an unlicenced firmware, but I managed to build it by my own a few month ago. This time I didn't manage to build that module against the current kernel-headers. :( |
| 13:27.34 | bkw | I've done that |
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| 13:27.55 | JyZyXEL | last time i tried to install a webcam to linux it turned out the cam had a faulty firmware and that the developers of the drivers knew this but didn't want to add hax for each crappy cam |
| 13:28.21 | JyZyXEL | so ended up installing the cam to trash bag |
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| 13:28.25 | ajavid | lol |
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| 13:28.36 | ajavid | coulda sold it to a windows user |
| 13:28.42 | ajavid | or give it to a windows using family member |
| 13:28.46 | fishsponge | petemc, did you just put the two "bnx2-0......fw" files in the root of your USB pen with no other files needed? |
| 13:28.47 | JyZyXEL | well it only cost me $9 |
| 13:28.48 | ajavid | I don't trash stuff unless I have to |
| 13:28.55 | ajavid | well then you get what you paid for |
| 13:29.03 | JyZyXEL | yea lol |
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| 13:29.18 | bkw | ajavid: debian-501-i386-netinst.iso is copied to the usb sticks root, but it seem to be a bug that the isos isn't found by default. |
| 13:29.28 | javio | I have a problem with my samba pdc |
| 13:29.33 | ajavid | is it a known bug? |
| 13:29.40 | ajavid | check installer errata |
| 13:30.19 | ajavid | it should work, launch tty2 during install and use iso-scan and watch output in tty4 |
| 13:30.19 | javio | I do not make me keep the profiles of the Windows machine |
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| 13:30.56 | bolt | I got an email saying there was a fail event on one of my raid devices. The failed device was marked as "failed spare". I ran a full selfcheck on it with smartctl, and got no erros. Nor did the attributes show any failures. I tried removing and re-adding the device to the raid, and it resynced without problems. What could be the issue? Should I still replace the drive? I doubt the shop will let me do it on warranty if smart says it's fine... |
| 13:31.32 | javio | I leave here my smb.conf which you can look for |
| 13:31.51 | ajavid | javio, ##samba too |
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| 13:32.46 | bkw | ajavid: I cannot find that particular issue in the errarta. But it should be known. |
| 13:32.51 | mr_daniel | How can I ask the packet manager if the package 'proftpd' has been already installed? |
| 13:33.01 | javio | http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=n6ab0 |
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| 13:33.13 | ajavid | mr_daniel, aptitude show proftpd ? |
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| 13:33.14 | frostschutz | bolt: there are thousands of possibilities as to what could be the issue... it's not only drives that can go bad, but also cables or raid controllers or psus or cooling system or ... |
| 13:33.43 | ajavid | mr_daniel, aptitude show proftpd |grep state ? |
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| 13:33.43 | anodesni | Ok, it turns out that my webcam is Median MD 40323 which is listed on this website http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html |
| 13:33.51 | anodesni | Medion does not have a linux driver |
| 13:34.02 | mr_daniel | does aptitude belongs to the same set of tools like apt-get and apt-cache? |
| 13:34.08 | mr_daniel | I am using apt-get to install packages |
| 13:34.23 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 13:34.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:34.28 | bolt | frostschutz: what should I do then? wait and see if it happens again? |
| 13:34.33 | ajavid | apt-cache policy proftpd |
| 13:34.41 | ajavid | should tell you whats going on |
| 13:34.59 | Pythack | Hello |
| 13:35.00 | frostschutz | bolt: that depends on wether you want to trust the drive with your data or not |
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| 13:35.02 | mr_daniel | ok, thank you |
| 13:35.07 | anodesni | Unfortunately it doesn't say anyting about webcam support under linux. |
| 13:35.15 | bolt | frostschutz: interesting thing is that drive is part of 3 raids. one raid1 with boot, one raid1 with root and one raid0 with swap. only the root one failed |
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| 13:35.51 | ajavid | anodesni, how did themill find out it was gspca |
| 13:36.09 | anodesni | ??? |
| 13:36.29 | themill | [14:23] <anodesni> Hi, I just installed my usb webcam, but it does not show up in cheese or skype. When I type lsusb it shows the webcam "Aiptek International, Inc. Mini PenCam 2". Why doesn't it work? |
| 13:36.40 | gmap | I am trying to create a web kiosk live cd. I am using debian-live and ubuntu is my development machine. I include .mozilla in my chroot local includes folder and build the image. When I test the image I am unable to access .mozilla folder no matter the ownership or attributes I give it. I must move .mozilla to a new folder and than move it back, and only than can I access it. When I do that... |
| 13:36.42 | gmap | ...I get some kind of message about aufs filesystem. Whats kind of problem am I having? |
| 13:36.46 | mr_daniel | so it is a good idea to avoid 'get-apt install <package>' and the future and switch to 'aptitude'? |
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| 13:36.49 | ajavid | themill, I was tying to make him think :)- |
| 13:36.54 | themill | hehe |
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| 13:37.46 | amitz | my iceweasel of debian lenny, when I set the encoding to the right one, displays "question mark" instead of kanji characters. Can someone point me to a direction? |
| 13:37.55 | anodesni | ok, sorry. I'm not that experienced with linux |
| 13:38.32 | ajavid | np |
| 13:38.51 | ajavid | amitz, install firefox-locale-something? |
| 13:38.56 | fishsponge | petemc, did you just put the two "bnx2-0......fw" files in the root of your USB pen with no other files needed? |
| 13:39.19 | petemc | yes i did |
| 13:39.20 | bkw | the usb installation doesn't seem to mount and search on the usbstick, sdb for the iso... |
| 13:39.26 | ajavid | didn't it used to have locale packages |
| 13:39.30 | ajavid | i mean icewesael |
| 13:39.31 | fishsponge | hey people - what would you recommend I install on a Poweredge 2950 server - i386 or amd64 ?? |
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| 13:39.55 | fishsponge | we want the best performance possible, but stability is the most important thing |
| 13:39.56 | stew | fishsponge: how much memory will the machine have? what will it be used for? |
| 13:40.07 | stew | fishsponge: stability should be identical with either |
| 13:40.12 | fishsponge | stew, 4GB RAM, mail server - lots of disk IO |
| 13:40.14 | ajavid | iceweasel-l10n-ja <- this maybe what you need? |
| 13:40.37 | ajavid | amitz, iceweasel-l10n-ja <- this maybe what you need? |
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| 13:41.29 | amitz | ajavid: probably, although I thought it refers to changing the menu to other languages? but let me try. |
| 13:41.37 | ajavid | This package contains the localization of Iceweasel in Japanese. |
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| 13:42.04 | ajavid | amitz, also try default encoding of utf8 |
| 13:42.11 | ajavid | it should be down with the kanji |
| 13:42.42 | ajavid | utf8 in firefox displays stuff I think only if you have that particular localte generated in your locales |
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| 13:42.50 | ajavid | dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 13:43.53 | fishsponge | stew, you still there? if so, see last msg above... ;-) |
| 13:43.56 | stew | fishsponge: probably amd64, but its probably not going to make a lot of difference |
| 13:44.24 | amitz | ajavid: utf-8 doesn't work. |
| 13:44.48 | stew | fishsponge: if you ever do get more ram, you'll definately want amd64 (as it can adddress more ram efficiently), but amd64 also uses more ram |
| 13:44.49 | fishsponge | stew, ok... we are planning on putting the dovecot IMAP server on there and i dont know if that comes in a 64 bit compilation... do you know if that might cause a problem? |
| 13:45.05 | ajavid | stew, it uses more ram? |
| 13:45.08 | stew | no, it won't cause a problem |
| 13:45.10 | stew | ajavid: yes |
| 13:45.15 | ajavid | how? |
| 13:45.33 | fishsponge | are *all* 32 bit packages available in the 64 bit repos as well? |
| 13:45.36 | stew | ajavid: some things which are 32 bits on 32 bit are 64 bits on 64 bit |
| 13:45.37 | ajavid | you mean caching? |
| 13:45.40 | stew | no |
| 13:45.45 | ajavid | oh |
| 13:45.49 | anodesni | thanks guys! My webcam is working perfectly now! |
| 13:45.50 | ajavid | more registers? |
| 13:46.00 | stew | fishsponge: practically, certainly everything like mailservers and such |
| 13:46.06 | ajavid | I see it makes sense I guess |
| 13:46.07 | fishsponge | cool... brb |
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| 13:47.24 | stew | fishsponge: pretty much everything either exists also as native 64 bit, or can be run in 64 bit with 32 bit libraries these days, if you have some wierd proprietary software that absolutely can't run in 64 bit, you can run them in a chroot |
| 13:47.24 | ajavid | stew, A 32 bit program running under 64 bit will use 64 bit libraries as well as 32 bit libraries and thus the amount of RAM used will be increased for this program ? |
| 13:47.26 | fishsponge | stew, so running stuff that's built for 32 bit on a 64 bit system is no problem whatsoever? |
| 13:47.39 | stew | ajavid: no |
| 13:48.41 | stew | fishsponge: no probably whatsoever as long as you also have the 32 bit libraries the 32 bit software might be linking against at runtime |
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| 13:49.31 | fishsponge | hmm... although there will probably be no problem, is there actually any advantage running 64 bit? assuming we are *never* going to increase the ram in this machine... |
| 13:50.09 | simNIX | only advantage I know of is mere ram in one box suported ... |
| 13:50.16 | simNIX | more |
| 13:50.19 | simNIX | *more |
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| 13:51.03 | fishsponge | ok, so 32 bit it is then! :-) |
| 13:51.11 | ajavid | stew, because it has more registers and default address size of 64bits where each general purpose register is 64bits wide? |
| 13:51.27 | ajavid | but it doesn't take up twice the memory of x86 |
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| 13:54.40 | amitz | ajavid: I think I probably need to install the correct font. Let me see if fellow in #japanese-debian can speak english.. |
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| 14:02.24 | zhxk | hello,how to get rid of messy code problem on gnome?http://imagebin.ca/view/uyvPo7.html thanks! |
| 14:03.30 | justin | zhxk: try a different font |
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| 14:04.28 | zhxk | justin:will that do? |
| 14:05.01 | zhxk | justin:it's "sans" |
| 14:05.53 | justin | zhxk: is that the only place where you see 'messy code' ? |
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| 14:06.54 | zhxk | justin:there are many items shows messy code on the app |
| 14:07.06 | zhxk | justin:there are many items show messy code on the app |
| 14:08.14 | zhxk | i have found too items on the app now |
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| 14:09.14 | mrglinux | I have this problem http://pastebin.com/m52c251d2 |
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| 14:09.46 | bolt | zhxk: i would think the support channel for your language would be where to ask. I assume it's trying to display the same kind of letters you have on your gnome menu bar |
| 14:09.46 | mrglinux | solve it |
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| 14:10.02 | bolt | ... |
| 14:10.30 | bolt | we're supposed to solve it while he sleeps? |
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| 14:12.08 | zhxk | bolt:the gnome menu bar is clear and clean, all is well, buth the newlly installed app read messy:http://imagebin.ca/view/BLL1WLF.html |
| 14:13.15 | bolt | zhxk: it probably doesn't have full support for your font. i would still suggest the support channel for your native language. should be a lot more people who have run into the same problem there |
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| 14:13.39 | bolt | zhxk: looks like it's miscalculating the width of the text on the quit button too |
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| 14:14.54 | zhxk | bolt:yup, it seems overlapped |
| 14:15.08 | zhxk | bolt:yup, it seems the image and text overlapped |
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| 14:15.44 | bolt | the image where they are drawn on top of eachother seems a clear indication that they did indeed overlap, yes :P |
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| 14:16.36 | zhxk | bolt:well, do you think it's the app's issue or the host envirament's issue to the messy coded item on the list of the app? |
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| 14:17.48 | bolt | zhxk: try running it from a console, not the menu, and look for any error output. also, if it gives the same result, pastebin the output of the "env" command |
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| 14:20.04 | zhxk | bolt:how to? |
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| 14:23.25 | zhxk | i issued "bum", then the app pops up as it was, i look at the console nothing have be given, just an flicker cursor |
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| 14:27.03 | codebaz | www.debian-ir.com for iranian debian users |
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| 14:29.02 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:29.16 | abrotman | codebaz: please don't spam here |
| 14:29.19 | vostorga | hi all, what is the way of answer a bug via email? I have been digging in http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and haven't found any info about that |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | vostorga: bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 14:30.29 | vostorga | abrotman, that gives me a ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 unknown user) |
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| 14:31.14 | abrotman | vostorga: which address did you use? |
| 14:31.41 | vostorga | abrotman, 485278@bugs.debian.org |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | vostorga: that's exactly how you should do it .. |
| 14:33.02 | vostorga | hum, I havent realized the bug report says: "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made." |
| 14:34.24 | vostorga | :/ |
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| 14:40.30 | jmoncayo | hey guys, anyone here could help me on how to blacklist the ssb module? |
| 14:40.47 | asg | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:41.13 | Kithera | Howdy folks |
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| 14:41.36 | Kithera | I'm working through an apt-build process, and I would like to automate the build list creation a bit |
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| 14:42.14 | zhxk | anybody have an idea with the messy code?http://imagebin.ca/view/uyvPo7.html |
| 14:42.16 | jmoncayo | asg: it didnt work, i already have blacklist ssd in my /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 14:42.22 | Kithera | Is there an easy way to tell where an installed package was installed from, to differenatiate between my local apt-mirror and the build. |
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| 14:42.52 | Canaris_ | I'm coming from Linux and just tried Lenny. It works quite well so far, but in GNOME I cannot automount volumes. They show up in nautilus, but when I click on them it says : Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume "Storage". Storage is a ntfs partition btw |
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| 14:43.04 | Canaris_ | I'm comfing from Arch Linux* |
| 14:43.15 | asg | jmoncayo: did you also ask about blacklist-initramfs? |
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| 14:46.19 | JyZyXEL | how do you install truecrypt in debian? |
| 14:46.47 | Canaris_ | Does automount in gnome only work with the correct /etc/fstab entries ?!?! |
| 14:47.01 | jmoncayo | asg: already done it, didnt work either |
| 14:47.26 | asg | jmoncayo: you could always mv ssb.ko to ssb.ko.disabled |
| 14:47.38 | jmoncayo | asg: before i was told to blacklist it from some other file |
| 14:47.53 | jmoncayo | asg: that would work too i suppose |
| 14:48.01 | nkuttler | Kithera: apt-cache policy |
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| 14:48.27 | Canaris_ | ok i now added the correct entries into /etc/fstab, but now the error message is changed to: you are not privileged to mount ... |
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| 14:48.48 | nkuttler | Canaris_: mount it as root or add the user option |
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| 14:49.06 | Canaris_ | In Archlinux there's a storage group, but in debian there doesn't seem to be one. So how can i grant normal users to have partitions automounted? |
| 14:49.24 | Canaris_ | nkuttler, just add the user flag. thats it? |
| 14:49.37 | stew | that's for manual mount, not automount |
| 14:49.55 | Canaris_ | so what about automount? |
| 14:49.56 | nkuttler | what's per user automount anyway? |
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| 14:50.09 | stew | Canaris_: /msg dpkg automount |
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| 14:51.00 | Cyco | hihoooo :) i have problems with my postfix.. it will not work correct :-( |
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| 14:51.18 | ambro951 | Hi, I want to use debian on my embedded ARM board; where can I get just the root filesystem image (like gentoo's stage3 files)? |
| 14:51.20 | Kithera | nkuttler: Thanks, that showed a list of my sources, but not exactly all packages from a particular source |
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| 14:52.38 | nkuttler | Kithera: maybe apt-show-versions can do that, not sure |
| 14:53.19 | zhxk | hello, which file that bum(boot up manager) reads and shows? |
| 14:53.50 | Canaris_ | nkuttler, i added the user option, but it still doesnt work. this is my fstab entry for the partition: /dev/sdb1 /media/storage ntfs defaults,user 0 0 |
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| 14:55.37 | nkuttler | !tell Canaris_ about errors |
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| 14:57.59 | Canaris_ | nkuttler, ok, the situation. I just installed a plain debian lenny + xorg and gnome. nothing else. if i open nautilus it show my ntfs partitions, but when i click on them it says: Invaldi mount option when attempting to mount the volume". My /etc/fstab is clean, meaning there is no mention of /dev/sdb1, which is my ntfs partition |
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| 14:58.47 | Canaris_ | nkuttler, i thought gnome/automount does have some sort of automount feature, but i guess i missunderstood that |
| 14:58.59 | Canaris_ | nkuttler, i meant gnome/nautilus |
| 14:59.00 | omegaking | hi |
| 14:59.20 | nkuttler | Canaris_: um, no idea how nautilus mounts stuff, can't help you with that |
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| 14:59.55 | nkuttler | Canaris_: what happens when you type "mount /media/storage" in a terminal? |
| 15:00.34 | Canaris_ | nkuttler, that works just fine. i can access all files this way |
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| 15:00.43 | omegaking | Who have a paypal account with money and want to be my partener to make a muonline server ... Private me ( on time we won money on this server) |
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| 15:01.09 | Canaris_ | but not in nautilus. and weirdly not even if i go to /media/storage ... |
| 15:01.52 | Canaris_ | nkuttler. but thanks for your help anyway. i am gonna keep working on a solution |
| 15:01.53 | Canaris_ | bye |
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| 15:02.49 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:05.07 | freaka | hello mocachos |
| 15:05.23 | cognitiaclaeves | Having trouble with getting vmxnet module to load on startup: Modprobe will load it, but insmod will fail with "can't read 'vmxnet': no such file or directory." |
| 15:05.45 | phamin | hi I am a newbie. Where is a BIND config file in ubuntu server 8.04? |
| 15:05.54 | gravity | !ubuntu |
| 15:05.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:05.55 | stew | phamin: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:05.58 | freaka | go to #ubuntu |
| 15:06.20 | freaka | ubuntu is pretty shit |
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| 15:06.30 | freaka | not a proper linux dist |
| 15:06.35 | freaka | i dont know how it got so much support |
| 15:07.06 | gravity | freaka: We're not here to bash other distros either. |
| 15:07.11 | stew | freaka: discuss ubuntu in #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic |
| 15:07.17 | gravity | bashing them is as off-topic as supporting them |
| 15:07.17 | freaka | sorry stew |
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| 15:07.23 | freaka | i wont mention it again -lips zipped- |
| 15:07.47 | amitz | ajavid: the solution is to install tts-sazanami-gothic . |
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| 15:10.21 | nkuttler | gmap: /msg dpkg preseeding |
| 15:10.22 | behrad | if i register debian domain linke debian.ir or debian-ir.com for run the debian forume or user group, did it confilict with debian trademark? |
| 15:10.53 | gmap | nkuttler what? |
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| 15:11.20 | nkuttler | behrad: try www.debian.org/legal/ |
| 15:11.28 | nkuttler | !tell gmap about preseeding |
| 15:11.28 | DeepTime | Table size: 49199 |
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| 15:11.42 | grawity | So ... can someone _please_ help me fix this logrotate thing? http://pastie.org/465061.txt |
| 15:11.58 | gravity | blinks |
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| 15:13.00 | nkuttler | grawity: using a set -x in the failing script is a good start, help set |
| 15:13.30 | grawity | Ah, dammit. Forgot to add that I get that emailed by cron :( |
| 15:13.49 | nkuttler | grawity: what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 15:14.07 | grawity | nkuttler: Because it's not me running the script. |
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| 15:14.31 | dirkD | http://pastebin.com/m429c7982 <-- this works fine in Centos (pax 3.4) , but not in Debian (pax 1:1.5-16). Why? |
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| 15:15.21 | Phil4 | I'm attempting to parse out IPs from auth.log in a 'live' sort of way |
| 15:15.25 | Phil4 | like: tail -F /var/log/auth.log | grep 'Accepted' | grep -Eo '([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}' |
| 15:15.35 | Phil4 | however, I've never managed to use 2 greps with any 'live' kind of command (e.g. tcpdump) |
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| 15:15.44 | Phil4 | does anyone know a way around it? |
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| 15:16.13 | gravity | Why is that bad? |
| 15:16.24 | Phil4 | eh, sorry |
| 15:16.34 | gravity | You can also just string together -e 'pattern' arguments to a single call |
| 15:16.42 | Phil4 | hrmmmm |
| 15:16.45 | Phil4 | lemme try that |
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| 15:17.54 | xxtjaxx | hi guys Im testing debain 5 with kde4 now and and it seems like all hell broke failsafe ties to start it but then logs out again in normal kde it doesnt start the window manager what was the command to start the window manager there again? |
| 15:17.57 | Phil4 | hrmmm |
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| 15:18.07 | behrad | nkuttler, this is not my business. my problem is , did i need any permission to use "debian" name for run website about debian. |
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| 15:18.17 | Phil4 | that just has the effect of using either/or, gravity |
| 15:18.28 | Phil4 | is there a way to do it only if BOTH -e args are met? |
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| 15:19.41 | gravity | Phil4: But the two patterns in to a single regex I guess |
| 15:19.48 | gravity | s/But/Put/ |
| 15:20.00 | Phil4 | but I only want the IP part, not the rest of it |
| 15:20.02 | gravity | Phil4: Or just keep the two grep calls. I usually just have two grep calls to make my regexes simple |
| 15:20.17 | nkuttler | behrad: i think you want to ask on their mailing list |
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| 15:20.30 | behrad | nkuttler, ok thanks |
| 15:20.32 | gravity | Phil4: You only want the IP's of Accepted lines? |
| 15:20.38 | gravity | You probably want sed or perl here |
| 15:20.57 | Phil4 | gravity, the issue is such that two grep calls don't work with 'live' stuff such as tail -F and tcpdump etc. |
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| 15:21.15 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:21.16 | nkuttler | Phil4: you're aware of pipes? |
| 15:21.26 | nkuttler | Phil4: tail -f foo | grep bar |
| 15:21.37 | cHaPlinux | is away: Away |
| 15:21.38 | eptalon | is there an app that convert flac into mp3, on unstable/experimental? |
| 15:21.42 | Phil4 | to an extent, nkuttler |
| 15:21.43 | gravity | would just write a perl script/one-liner for this |
| 15:22.07 | nkuttler | eptalon: lame? /msg dpkg lame |
| 15:22.08 | Phil4 | sadly my perl and sed aren't great |
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| 15:22.23 | nkuttler | Phil4: tail -f foo | perl -pe 's#foo#bar#' |
| 15:22.34 | g00se | Phil4: What about: sudo grep 'Accepted' /var/log/auth.log | awk '{ print $11 }' |
| 15:22.54 | abrotman | !tell cHaPlinux about away |
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| 15:23.21 | Phil4 | it has to be tail -F, g00se |
| 15:23.26 | petemc | why? |
| 15:23.37 | di3d | yeah i have ext4 :P |
| 15:23.50 | g00se | Phil4: Well just pipe it into that then ;-) |
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| 15:24.29 | eptalon | nkuttler: I was more thinking about a console app (or graphical) where I can give like a folder, and it converts/adds all the files in the folder from flac to mp3, eg. |
| 15:25.11 | g00se | Phil4: tail -f /var/log/auth.log | grep 'Accepted' | awk '{ print $11 }' |
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| 15:25.27 | gravity | the grep is useless |
| 15:25.38 | gravity | awk '/Accepted/ { print $11' |
| 15:25.39 | gravity | } |
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| 15:25.44 | g00se | (untested) |
| 15:25.48 | nkuttler | eptalon: lame works on the command line. flac can decode to wav i guess. |
| 15:26.09 | g00se | gravity: Good one |
| 15:26.24 | eptalon | nkuttler: Ok. will have a look |
| 15:26.47 | gravity | One of the few things I remember about awk :-) |
| 15:27.25 | Phil4 | tail -F /var/log/auth.log | awk '/Accepted/ { print $11 }' <-- does nothing |
| 15:27.56 | fogobogo | eptalon: script it. for file in *.flac ; do <something> ; done |
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| 15:28.47 | eptalon | fogobogo: will have a look, thanks. |
| 15:28.53 | fogobogo | hmm |
| 15:28.56 | fogobogo | actually |
| 15:29.07 | fogobogo | eptalon: script it. for file in *.flac ; do <something> "$file" ; done |
| 15:29.20 | petemc | Phil4: do the lines that tail -F auth.log produces contain the string Accepted? |
| 15:29.32 | Phil4 | yes, petemc |
| 15:29.46 | gravity | Phil4: Try removing the $11 |
| 15:29.49 | themill | Phil4: wfm for an ssh connection. |
| 15:29.51 | gravity | It should just print the accepted lines |
| 15:30.16 | gravity | Phil4: The $11 is just the 12th field (awk starts from 0, right?) in the file, split on whitespace. |
| 15:30.20 | fogobogo | grep -o Accepted ? |
| 15:30.43 | abrotman | awk starts at 1 |
| 15:30.58 | cognitiaclaeves | I've put pcnet32 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it is still getting loaded on reboot... why? |
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| 15:31.15 | Phil4 | still doesn't work, gravity |
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| 15:31.37 | g00se | Phil4: Either your box is not in an accepting mood or your log format's different to mine |
| 15:31.52 | themill | Phil4: you are doing some sort of login to make sure there's an entry in auth.log, aren't you? |
| 15:31.58 | gravity | abrotman: Ok, thanks. Shows you how long it's been since I used awk. |
| 15:31.59 | Phil4 | yes, themill |
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| 15:32.24 | grirgz | hi |
| 15:33.14 | petemc | Phil4: it would appear you're doing something wrong, that works for everyone else here |
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| 15:33.34 | Phil4 | what is the exact command you're using, petemc? |
| 15:33.47 | petemc | tail -F /var/log/auth.log | awk '/Accepted/ { print $11 }' |
| 15:33.59 | grirgz | i have almost 50 console-kit-daemon processus and i can't run screen on tty (screen say "cannot open your terminal /dev/tty1 - please check") can you help me please ? |
| 15:34.48 | Phil4 | nop, doesn't work with key or password logins |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | gravity: that's cause you do real work! |
| 15:35.06 | themill | Phil4: etch? lenny? custom logging options? |
| 15:35.13 | gravity | chuckles |
| 15:35.20 | eptalon | where would I find the options to strip the filename extensions in bash? |
| 15:35.22 | Phil4 | themill, Squeeze, nothing custom |
| 15:35.26 | gravity | abrotman: I like awk a lot. But since I've been doing perl I've found it much less useful. |
| 15:35.35 | Phil4 | May 1 16:34:29 127dot0dot0dot1 sshd[27543]: Accepted publickey for phil from 81.100.*** port 64657 ssh2 |
| 15:35.37 | gravity | I don't have to context switch at all if I use perl |
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| 15:36.02 | abrotman | gravity: you're just getting lazy in your old age :) |
| 15:36.06 | gravity | Ha! |
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| 15:37.01 | themill | Phil4: that pasted string works for me with that awk command |
| 15:37.33 | nkuttler | eptalon: if you're converting just leave it there and rename later. or sed maybe |
| 15:37.37 | themill | Phil4: which awk are you using? awk --version | head -1 |
| 15:37.40 | Phil4 | works for me too, themill, with echo |
| 15:37.46 | Phil4 | but not with tail -F |
| 15:37.57 | fogobogo | grep -o |
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| 15:38.01 | themill | Phil4: hmmm... both working here. |
| 15:38.06 | petemc | here too |
| 15:38.07 | Phil4 | fogobogo, not possible |
| 15:38.15 | fogobogo | hmm |
| 15:39.02 | eptalon | nkuttler: for $i in ('ls *.flac') do... ; I want to do twolame -v file.flac file.mp3, but $i will end in .flac? |
| 15:39.05 | Phil4 | --version isn't an option here, themill |
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| 15:39.46 | eptalon | nkuttler: hence I need a way to strip off the extension. |
| 15:40.08 | themill | Phil4: presumably mawk not gawk then... but I can't see that being the problem... does "tail -F /var/log/auth.log | grep Accepted" produce output? |
| 15:40.10 | fogobogo | eptalon: parameter expansion |
| 15:40.19 | Phil4 | yeh, themill, it does |
| 15:40.40 | eptalon | fogobogo: ++verbose? |
| 15:40.45 | fogobogo | eptalon: and you dont need ls. *.flac will work |
| 15:40.59 | fogobogo | eptalon: nope. parameter expansion . gimme a sec |
| 15:41.04 | g00se | eptalon: do twolame -v ${i} ${i/flac/mp3} |
| 15:41.26 | fogobogo | eptalon: http://www.bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/pe?s[]=parameter&s[]=expansion |
| 15:41.56 | fogobogo | eptalon: down there are examples. excuse the highlighting |
| 15:42.11 | themill | Phil4: you could try gawk instead. I've just managed to find a box that actually had mawk on it and it seems to fail there too. |
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| 15:43.02 | themill | Phil4: "aptitude install gawk mawk_" will do the switch for you. |
| 15:43.23 | \amethyst | eptalon: for i in *.flac; do twolame -v "$i" "${i%.flac}.mp3"; done |
| 15:44.27 | Trewas | eptalon: twolame is not a mp3-encoder btw |
| 15:44.32 | fogobogo | you could use basename as well but parameter expansion is builtin thus faster |
| 15:44.40 | Phil4 | genius |
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| 15:44.45 | Phil4 | thanks themill |
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| 15:44.50 | Phil4 | and thanks everyone else who helped :) |
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| 15:44.59 | \amethyst | eptalon: ${i%.flac} means $i with .flac removed from the end. The variables need to be quoted in case they contain spaces. And there is no reason to use ls, that's what globbing is for |
| 15:45.03 | themill | Phil4: no worries.... if in doubt, blame mawk... ;( |
| 15:45.06 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 15:45.22 | eptalon | \amethyst: seems to work, thanks. |
| 15:45.48 | fogobogo | grrr |
| 15:46.03 | \amethyst | eptalon: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/073 might be helpful |
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| 15:46.32 | g00se | eptalon: And mine doesn't? ;-) |
| 15:47.07 | faffi | .asoundrc and asound.conf are evil |
| 15:47.14 | eptalon | g00se: not tried. |
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| 15:47.16 | JyZyXEL | alsa is crap |
| 15:47.39 | faffi | obviously, what can you do about it though |
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| 15:47.46 | g00se | eptalon: It's shorter but *should* be quoted |
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| 15:53.14 | JyZyXEL | so how do you even make alsa work in debian? |
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| 15:53.36 | JyZyXEL | it always works out of the box and now it doesn't |
| 15:53.50 | fogobogo | alsaconf? alsamixer + unmute? |
| 15:53.52 | JyZyXEL | is there any configuration? |
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| 15:54.22 | JyZyXEL | oh alsaconf ok |
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| 15:54.43 | fogobogo | dunno. might work |
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| 15:55.03 | gravity | JyZyXEL: If you have pulseaudio installed, remove it |
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| 15:55.13 | g00se | JyZyXEL: Check for presence of other mixers too |
| 15:55.16 | JyZyXEL | gravity yea i installed it |
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| 15:55.30 | gravity | !win gravity |
| 15:55.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, gravity! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 15:56.23 | JyZyXEL | alsaconf fixed |
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| 16:00.34 | DuCkNeT | got a little problem with grub after debian 5.0 install |
| 16:00.40 | DuCkNeT | brings me to grub> |
| 16:00.42 | DuCkNeT | thats it |
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| 16:00.52 | JyZyXEL | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 16:00.52 | JyZyXEL | aplay: main:564: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 16:00.54 | JyZyXEL | god damnit |
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| 16:01.39 | gravity | Did you remove pulseaudio yet? |
| 16:01.43 | bolt | JyZyXEL: have you tried #alsa ? there are some people in there who were frighteningly eager to help me last time I had alsa problems |
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| 16:02.21 | Manoj | I tried pulseaudio for a while. my sound would randomly break (I do follow sid closely, so many updates). I had to purge pulse from the system, and went back t alsa |
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| 16:02.33 | JyZyXEL | gravity i started pulseaudio and now it works |
| 16:02.36 | JyZyXEL | go figure |
| 16:02.38 | cognitiaclaeves | Is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist no longer used? I put a module in there that is loading anyway. |
| 16:02.50 | gravity | JyZyXEL: Yeah, if it's installed it needs to be running |
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| 16:02.55 | module000 | cognitiaclaeves: is it getting explicitly loaded somewhere with insmod? |
| 16:02.59 | cognitiaclaeves | Also, I can't see to get a module loading on boot that I was to replace the module that I put in the blacklist. |
| 16:03.08 | gravity | wonders why it wouldn't have started though |
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| 16:03.59 | cognitiaclaeves | module000: I have no idea... |
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| 16:05.34 | cognitiaclaeves | I didn't explicitly set it up to be loaded from anywhere... |
| 16:05.35 | hark | cognitiaclaeves: which version of debian? |
| 16:05.39 | cognitiaclaeves | lenny. |
| 16:07.17 | cognitiaclaeves | So blacklist can actually be overridden by loading it manually? |
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| 16:07.51 | JyZyXEL | oh it broke down again |
| 16:07.58 | JyZyXEL | what a piece of shit the whole audio system |
| 16:08.08 | module000 | cognitiaclaeves: yes....modprobe/blacklist only applies to modprobe..not insmod |
| 16:08.11 | faffi | cognitiaclaeves: i believe so |
| 16:08.13 | JyZyXEL | its way too fucking confusing |
| 16:08.21 | faffi | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:08.23 | Manoj | JyZyXEL: you are using pulse. I would expect no different :-) |
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| 16:08.47 | module000 | cognitiaclaeves: why don't you grep "offending_module" /etc/* -r |
| 16:08.50 | JyZyXEL | faffi listen music |
| 16:08.55 | module000 | cognitiaclaeves: see if somewhere it's being explicitly loaded |
| 16:09.09 | cognitiaclaeves | I can do that. |
| 16:09.14 | faffi | JyZyXEL: haha, use alsa instead, as much as it sucks the version in lenny should support sharing the sound card by default |
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| 16:09.39 | faffi | JyZyXEL: also makes ure you're part of the audio group :) |
| 16:09.52 | JyZyXEL | i am |
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| 16:10.16 | faffi | ok, how come you're using pulseaudio? |
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| 16:10.23 | JyZyXEL | i don't know i just installed it |
| 16:10.40 | JyZyXEL | what should i out in .asoundrc? |
| 16:10.57 | gravity | JyZyXEL: Just get rid of it. Seriously. Unless you have a good reason to keep it around, you're just asking for trouble. |
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| 16:11.07 | faffi | JyZyXEL: get rid of it |
| 16:11.16 | faffi | or move it as .bak and see if it breaks anything |
| 16:11.18 | JyZyXEL | well it doesn't hurt as long as its not running |
| 16:11.24 | gravity | JyZyXEL: Yes it does. Remove it. |
| 16:11.26 | JyZyXEL | or are you saying the package is broken? |
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| 16:11.47 | faffi | it just causes grief |
| 16:11.58 | gravity | Because you don't fully understand what it's doing and what settings it alters, and what defaults it enacts in other software. |
| 16:12.03 | cognitiaclaeves | module000: This was all that I found: http://paste.debian.net/34959/ |
| 16:12.08 | gravity | Like you said, it's a complex mess. Just get rid of it. |
| 16:12.09 | JyZyXEL | well ill remove it |
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| 16:12.23 | JyZyXEL | any other packages i need to remove? |
| 16:12.27 | faffi | JyZyXEL: dont forget /etc/asound.conf also |
| 16:12.30 | cognitiaclaeves | two lines, but I don't understand wtf modprobe.d/vmxnet is supposed to be doing... |
| 16:12.42 | JyZyXEL | faffi there never was such file |
| 16:12.46 | cognitiaclaeves | oops... that was supposed to be 'wth' ... |
| 16:12.46 | faffi | cognitiaclaeves: isnt that a module for vmware's adapter? |
| 16:12.51 | faffi | JyZyXEL: good :) |
| 16:13.03 | cognitiaclaeves | faffi: Um... open-vm-tools? |
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| 16:13.37 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 16:14.05 | faffi | cognitiaclaeves: its something for vmware obviously :P |
| 16:14.10 | faffi | Aragorn_Guardian: hello |
| 16:14.27 | JyZyXEL | this shit is all broken |
| 16:14.32 | cognitiaclaeves | faffi: yes... but not vmtools... a debian package... |
| 16:14.38 | faffi | JyZyXEL: pulseaudio or alsa? |
| 16:14.40 | JyZyXEL | alsa |
| 16:14.41 | Aragorn_Guardian | i installed the last debian distro, lenny (amazing...), but i need install mysql4. mysql5 by default is installed, but how can I install the old too. i put backports, but give an error in apt-get update |
| 16:14.52 | JyZyXEL | aplay just freezes |
| 16:15.02 | fogobogo | JyZyXEL: mind you language! |
| 16:15.04 | fogobogo | tsk tsk tsk. "broken" |
| 16:15.35 | fogobogo | JyZyXEL: lsof. check if anything else is locking |
| 16:15.38 | JyZyXEL | ill try another soundcard |
| 16:15.51 | faffi | Aragorn_Guardian: did you add the gpg key? |
| 16:16.03 | Aragorn_Guardian | humm...no |
| 16:16.23 | Aragorn_Guardian | how can I do that? |
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| 16:16.44 | hark | cognitiaclaeves: make sure you also follow /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:16.49 | faffi | Aragorn_Guardian: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:17.00 | JyZyXEL | integrated card works |
| 16:17.01 | Aragorn_Guardian | thanks... |
| 16:17.12 | faffi | Aragorn_Guardian: look at the part where it talks about the keyring |
| 16:17.15 | cognitiaclaeves | ok, hark. I'll check that out. |
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| 16:17.24 | faffi | JyZyXEL: ahhh you're using 2 sound cards. that makes more sense now |
| 16:17.33 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice |
| 16:17.35 | JyZyXEL | faffi no i have 3 |
| 16:17.40 | cognitiaclaeves | ah-hah. Thanks, hark! |
| 16:17.41 | faffi | JyZyXEL: haha |
| 16:17.48 | gravity | geez |
| 16:18.01 | Aragorn_Guardian | done |
| 16:18.02 | gravity | Somehow I don't think you need 3 sound cards just to listen to music |
| 16:18.03 | Aragorn_Guardian | 8) |
| 16:18.06 | fogobogo | JyZyXEL: 2 more and you have sourround |
| 16:18.12 | faffi | lmao |
| 16:18.21 | JyZyXEL | fogobogo no one of them has 10 outputs already |
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| 16:18.56 | Aragorn_Guardian | faffi: let me see if I understood... all my packages is by default in my distro, but every old one that i need, i go to the backports, right? |
| 16:19.21 | gravity | Aragorn_Guardian: No, backports is for newer packages not in the distro |
| 16:19.37 | Aragorn_Guardian | hmmm...nice |
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| 16:20.00 | hedgehoginfog | Qtronix_: I want to backup a whole ext3 partition with dd. If I write the partition down to a file and then copy it to an _NTFS_ partition, then I perform the inverse operation, will the files permissions be the same? |
| 16:20.01 | Aragorn_Guardian | thanks |
| 16:20.03 | gravity | knows nothing about mysql though |
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| 16:20.21 | fogobogo | JyZyXEL: so that means you can blast sound out of approx 35 boxes with 2500 megwatts to listen with *ehem*... 2 ears |
| 16:20.49 | cognitiaclaeves | hark: Is there something similar to add a module on bootup? |
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| 16:21.19 | amitz | hedgehoginfog: if I |
| 16:21.19 | taraskostiak | heya freaka |
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| 16:21.36 | hedgehoginfog | amitz: hm? |
| 16:21.38 | Aragorn_Guardian | hedgehoginfog: i think that will be ok, yes. dd look into device...no problem at all. |
| 16:21.46 | andthenIwaslike | hi, can someone tell me how to determine the size of -bs flag when using dd to erase the whole contents of a HD? |
| 16:21.52 | amitz | hedgehoginfog: If I'm not wrong, the permission will be preserved. |
| 16:22.18 | andthenIwaslike | well, not erase but write zeroes everywhere |
| 16:22.22 | hedgehoginfog | Aragorn_Guardian: Even though the file will be storied on an NTFS partition which messes everything up? |
| 16:22.28 | hedgehoginfog | Thanks. |
| 16:22.29 | faffi | cognitiaclaeves: a module to load on boot? add it to /etc/modules? |
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| 16:22.42 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:23.01 | Aragorn_Guardian | hedgehoginfog: you said ext3... 8) |
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| 16:23.16 | cognitiaclaeves | faffi: Is that already done?: http://paste.debian.net/34959/ |
| 16:23.22 | Aragorn_Guardian | to backup, maybe the old tar do the job. |
| 16:23.25 | amitz | hedgehoginfog: if you dd to a file, and copy the file to an NTFS partition, the partition shoudn't be able to mess permissions. |
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| 16:23.33 | Aragorn_Guardian | i like the dar, too, is faster |
| 16:23.37 | abrotman | zhxk: how would we know? ask them |
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| 16:24.57 | hedgehoginfog | Aragorn_Guardian: Look, I'm gonna take my laptop on the the guarantee, they'll give me the same new laptop with vista installed. Also I'm in possession of a 750Gb NTFS external hdd. |
| 16:25.40 | hedgehoginfog | Aragorn_Guardian: I'm going to dd the / and /home to a file, copy it to the external hdd and then unpack them when I have the new laptop. |
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| 16:27.46 | hark | cognitiaclaeves: you mean like /etc/modules? |
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| 16:28.35 | amitz | hedgehoginfog: if you dd the /, which includes all below it, permission and ownership of files should be preserved. But some devices will probably move to other name. |
| 16:28.45 | Aragorn_Guardian | well, not sure with the /, cause there are too many ways to error in restore, to many links, the kernel, etc..... the data in /home, seems will be nice. |
| 16:29.22 | cognitiaclaeves | ... I thought /etc/modules wasn't used anymore... but the dpgk-reconfigure linux image does what it was supposed to. |
| 16:29.25 | Aragorn_Guardian | but dd copy all the data in the selected device and make an image...seems works, but...all is possible... |
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| 16:29.28 | cognitiaclaeves | thanks! |
| 16:29.38 | amitz | hedgehoginfog: that is, given your case of having a notebook replacement. |
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| 16:30.13 | Aragorn_Guardian | I dont know exactly, but maybe save all data in home, install it again and put the home back. |
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| 16:30.36 | amitz | hedgehoginfog: and there is this slight possibility that some hardware type won't be identical regardless of what they claimed, for example wireless. |
| 16:30.46 | Aragorn_Guardian | but dd is a hard choice... maybe tar be better |
| 16:31.17 | hedgehoginfog | Yeah, I incline to tar, too. |
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| 16:31.34 | Aragorn_Guardian | hedgehoginfog: there are some live-cd distros that do this jobs, like RIP (recovery is possible) ad ultilex. you can save and restore your partitions...give a try |
| 16:32.04 | hedgehoginfog | Aragorn_Guardian: I have knoppix. |
| 16:32.15 | Aragorn_Guardian | nice |
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| 16:32.49 | Aragorn_Guardian | those distros works with live cd, do the dirty job. you can save the image in network... |
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| 16:34.07 | mirak | is there a way to make debian-changelog output a file in the format of the .debian/changelog ? |
| 16:34.11 | unixluser | hi guys. i accidentally deleted home (silly git clean -fdx) I did however keep a safe backup of my .gnupg folder |
| 16:34.21 | unixluser | hmm wrong chan |
| 16:34.34 | mirak | ./debian/changelog |
| 16:34.43 | faffi | unixluser: your name made me laugh :) |
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| 16:35.06 | JockyWilson | anyone useing Amarok 1.4 debian....... Artist + Wikipedia is this broken? |
| 16:35.22 | unixluser | faffi: but it's true.... :( |
| 16:35.25 | unixluser | ;) |
| 16:35.45 | hedgehoginfog | Aragorn_Guardian, amitz Thanks. :) |
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| 16:40.56 | ajavid | hello guys |
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| 16:41.41 | bolt | HELO bolt |
| 16:41.56 | ajavid | I am on debian sid, and I am trying on install gimp, and it has a broken dependency, gimp: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-1 (>= 1.0.1) which is a virtual package . I did not find anything related to this on the BTS |
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| 16:42.05 | ajavid | how should I report this bug? |
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| 16:42.15 | pistache | Hello, I have a question : how can I route the audio from my input line (mic) to the headphones ? |
| 16:42.16 | ajavid | severity level? |
| 16:42.21 | ajavid | please advise |
| 16:42.39 | ajavid | unmet dependency where pakcage won't install counts as a what kinda bug? |
| 16:43.04 | gravity | ajavid: webkit needs to be rebuilt |
| 16:43.23 | ajavid | ok |
| 16:43.30 | ajavid | so I should or shouldn't report this? |
| 16:43.39 | gravity | ajavid: The gimp maintainer was asking about that problem a few days ago. There was a message to -devel (and probably -release) about it. The release team is working on it |
| 16:43.42 | gravity | ajavid: One second... |
| 16:43.44 | ajavid | ok |
| 16:44.23 | hark | !dbugs 521095 |
| 16:44.26 | dpkg | DONE:#521095:M[gimp] gimp needs to be rebuilt against libwebkit-1.0-2 to allow webkit to upgrade (); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:39:02 UTC [] |
| 16:44.47 | gravity | hark: Nice |
| 16:44.48 | hark | hmm maybe that's not it.. |
| 16:44.56 | ajavid | it says minor bug |
| 16:44.58 | ajavid | resolved |
| 16:45.01 | hark | yes it is |
| 16:45.03 | ajavid | I already looked through the bug list |
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| 16:46.27 | LLIypuk | Hi folks. Is it possible to boot debian box w/o installation of grub/lilo? i've omit such option in d-i (it told me `You will need to boot manually with the /vmlinuz kernel on partition /dev/sda1 and root=/dev/sda1 passed as a kernel argument.`) and now can't boot even with `vmlinuz -S root=/dev/sda1` specified after `boot:` prompt. what's wrong here? |
| 16:46.29 | ajavid | but I was wondering because its apparantly not resolved and it causes gimp to not install, so my question is wehter I should report this on gimp or just leave it alone? |
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| 16:46.57 | hark | ajavid: get it from squeeze for the time being |
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| 16:47.22 | ajavid | perhaps I need to clarify more, I am not looking for a fix, I'm looking to see if I should make a bugreport or not. |
| 16:47.49 | pistache | Hello, I have a question : how can I route the sound in the input line (mic) to the output line (headphones) using ALSA ? |
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| 16:48.20 | hark | ajavid: as per the bug report he maintainer is already aware of it. if you want you still can |
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| 16:48.46 | allquixotic | Hello! Where does Debian store the example programs' source code, shipped with libsoup? You can see the programs referenced here: http://library.gnome.org/devel/libsoup/stable/libsoup-client-howto.html |
| 16:48.47 | gravity | ajavid: Don't bug the gimp maintainer about that |
| 16:48.47 | ajavid | no need. |
| 16:48.49 | gravity | He knows |
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| 16:49.02 | ajavid | ok, thats what I was asking, sometimes I'm not too sharp |
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| 16:49.30 | LLIypuk | make no sense? |
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| 16:49.52 | Hukka | Augh, every other new version of kernels bumps my pc speaker as the default sound card. What can I do without alsaconf (I can't find any reference to it, but it seems to be gone from sid)? |
| 16:50.20 | Hukka | None of the "old" tricks such as writing to /etc/modprobe.d/sound works either |
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| 16:52.41 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 16:53.11 | master_alvaro | Does Debian Lenny support ext4 (while installation)? |
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| 16:54.45 | master_alvaro | (Can I install Debian Lenny on ext4 partition?) |
| 16:55.01 | Hukka | master_alvaro: Not that I really know, but googling "debian lenny ext4" gives workarounds on Lenny's kernel, so I'd say no. At least not well |
| 16:55.23 | master_alvaro | Hukka: ok, thanks |
| 16:55.38 | master_alvaro | what about Debian testing? |
| 16:55.44 | hark | LLIypuk: try the -doc package |
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| 16:57.18 | Hukka | master_alvaro: Would you like me to google that one for you? |
| 16:57.39 | ajavid | google ext4 faq |
| 16:57.40 | hark | Hukka: you can use asoundconf to set the default card |
| 16:57.46 | ajavid | !ext4 |
| 16:57.46 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 16:57.53 | ajavid | last link |
| 16:58.11 | ajavid | lenny has .26 and not .28 |
| 16:58.16 | Hukka | hark: No asoundconf either in sid :/ |
| 16:58.48 | Hukka | hark: Not sure really how I'm supposed to configure sound in sid, all the traditional tools seem to be gone |
| 16:59.03 | ajavid | alsaconf is obsolete |
| 16:59.10 | hark | Hukka: oh, then either use modprobe and set the index or asoundrc |
| 16:59.28 | Hukka | ajavid: What's the modern version? |
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| 16:59.41 | ajavid | there is none |
| 16:59.43 | hark | lenny's kernel has CONFIG_EXT4DEV |
| 16:59.45 | ajavid | autoconfiguration |
| 16:59.52 | master_alvaro | ajavid: thx |
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| 17:00.22 | Hukka | ajavid: That word brings chills... and memories of Xorg's "wonderful" autoconf. |
| 17:00.52 | hark | Hukka: see http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026 |
| 17:00.55 | Hukka | ajavid: So... How can I kick the system to autoconf properly? |
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| 17:01.03 | Hukka | hark: Thanks, let's see... |
| 17:01.41 | master_alvaro | ajavid: sid have .29, so can run from ext4? |
| 17:02.08 | ajavid | yes but sid is not supported here |
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| 17:02.26 | pistache | Hello, I have a question : how can I route the sound in the input line (mic) to the output line (headphones) using ALSA ? |
| 17:02.30 | ajavid | only upto testing is officially supported, sid is only supported by developers for developers/testers |
| 17:02.37 | ajavid | afaik |
| 17:02.51 | ajavid | master_alvaro, with squeeze/testing you should be able to get ext4 up |
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| 17:03.12 | Hukka | hark: Yeah, that works. Thanks again. |
| 17:03.16 | ajavid | master_alvaro, all you need is the .28+ kernel and a recent e2fsprogs |
| 17:03.30 | ajavid | to create or convert |
| 17:03.51 | master_alvaro | for example, if i install testing on ext3, install linux-image*.29 from sid and convert / to ext4, it will work? |
| 17:03.57 | ajavid | yes |
| 17:04.00 | gravity | Hukka: Xorg's autoconfiguration can be entirely overridden by you |
| 17:04.03 | master_alvaro | ok, thanks |
| 17:04.22 | hark | lenny's e2fsprogs supports ext4 afaik, you just have to use a newer kernel |
| 17:04.34 | ajavid | master_alvaro, though... you should not mess with a live FS |
| 17:04.52 | ajavid | master_alvaro, use a live cd and convert it, and fsck.ext4 after |
| 17:04.56 | Hukka | gravity: Yeah, and these days it actually does a pretty good job. But when it was a new thing it was a somewhat PITA |
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| 17:05.21 | Hukka | Then again, I had two displays then, it might be annoying these days too with the same setup |
| 17:05.22 | gravity | Hukka: How so? It's not really changed all that much. |
| 17:05.39 | gravity | Hukka: The old stuff never helped you with two displays either |
| 17:05.46 | ajavid | I'm just happy that I have a pretty decent gaming card, x1900xt 256mb gddr3 radeon and its fully supported by free drivers |
| 17:05.52 | pistache | Hello, I have a question : how can I route the sound in the input line (mic) to the output line (headphones) using ALSA ? |
| 17:06.10 | Hukka | gravity: Just grumpy when a working configuration changes into something that doesn't |
| 17:06.34 | gravity | Hukka: Well, breaking Zaphod mode was entirely separate from the autoconfig stuff. That shouldn't have been removed. |
| 17:06.41 | gravity | It's back in ati at least. |
| 17:06.48 | zophy | they can help you on #linpeople |
| 17:07.09 | master_alvaro | thanks and bye bye |
| 17:07.23 | Hukka | ajavid: It's OT, but so ATI is workable these days? |
| 17:07.31 | ajavid | its not OT |
| 17:07.34 | ajavid | and yes |
| 17:07.41 | gravity | ATI has been improving quite a bit |
| 17:07.48 | zophy | pistache, have you tried alsamixer ? |
| 17:07.48 | ajavid | upto r5xx chipset is fully supported in sid |
| 17:07.51 | gravity | Hopefully it doesn't go through the painful stages that intel doing now |
| 17:07.54 | ajavid | not in stable or testing yet |
| 17:08.07 | Hukka | I've had so much pain with ATI drivers in the past that I've avoided them on my own computers, but the recent developments has piqued my interest. Maybe it's time to ditch NVidia |
| 17:08.24 | epsas | maybe it is time to ditch nvidia |
| 17:08.31 | KavanS | wtf? |
| 17:08.34 | KavanS | ditch nvidia. |
| 17:08.37 | KavanS | who speaks of this heresy |
| 17:08.39 | gravity | Hukka: Beware. They're still not wonderfully performant. |
| 17:08.42 | ajavid | now this is OT. |
| 17:09.05 | zophy | ok, which high performance video card is the best ? |
| 17:09.08 | ajavid | judd version xserver-xorg |
| 17:09.09 | judd | ajavid: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 17:09.14 | ajavid | judd versions xserver-xorg |
| 17:09.15 | judd | ajavid: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.4+1 |
| 17:09.27 | ajavid | yup, only in sid is upto r5xx fully 3d supported |
| 17:09.31 | Hukka | gravity: Well, it's going to be quite some time until I'm upgrading again. Just recently got first card in years that I can game with (from FX5600 to GTS8800) |
| 17:09.42 | gravity | nods |
| 17:09.44 | ajavid | because of xorg 7.4 and mesa and the driver version of radeon |
| 17:10.00 | zophy | this is america, we figured out how to put a man on the moon ion 10 years |
| 17:10.10 | Hukka | gravity: Actually wouldn't have got that either if I didn't have problems with integrated graphics. Not much of a gamer |
| 17:10.16 | ajavid | zophy, #debian-offtopic |
| 17:10.32 | gravity | Hukka: Then ATI should be Ok for you. It'll run basic games, compiz, etc. just fine. |
| 17:10.43 | Hukka | Compiz, brrr... :) |
| 17:10.45 | tonsofpcs | where does lspci hide in stable? |
| 17:10.48 | gravity | Hukka: It should run complex games as well, but some people are all about framerates |
| 17:11.17 | ajavid | tonsofpcs, pciutils |
| 17:11.24 | ajavid | !tell tonsofpcs -about search |
| 17:11.44 | bluethundr | how do I get rsync to log me in automatically without using the daemon (ie through ssh and not having to configure rsyncd.conf)? |
| 17:12.03 | tonsofpcs | ajavid: i did apt-cache search, didn't find anything |
| 17:12.13 | ajavid | look at the factoid |
| 17:12.19 | ajavid | if you didn't know before, you know now |
| 17:12.20 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: the factoid also tells you about apt-file |
| 17:12.20 | ajavid | no biggie |
| 17:12.23 | abrotman | !tell tonsofpcs about apt-file |
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| 17:12.37 | stoffell | bluethundr, ssh keys |
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| 17:13.07 | bluethundr | stoffell: what can I man to learn about them? |
| 17:13.14 | Hukka | gravity: Though come summer and time to work, I'll be thinking about upgrading to a new sweet screen with DP. Might be getting a card with DP too, then. |
| 17:13.33 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: that's nice, apt-file isn't base and isn't installed and this machine doesn't have network access [since the ethernet interface isn't being discovered which is why i want to lspci] |
| 17:13.37 | stoffell | bluethundr, google rsync and ssh, it points you to some good howto's |
| 17:13.39 | Hukka | I've seen some news about ATI having some decent chipsets with that, but not sure about the support nor if they are coming over here soon. |
| 17:13.41 | tasha | How do I install source files from sid again? I recall I had to add the deb-src line for sid to my source.list, but can't recall the command to build from source |
| 17:13.44 | ajavid | stoffell, ssh-keygen -t rsa, follow onscreen prompts, upon generation of key, scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to user@remote:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 17:13.52 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: so where are you going to get pciutils from ? |
| 17:13.53 | bluethundr | stoffell: gotcha. thanks. |
| 17:14.06 | ajavid | bluethundr, ssh-keygen -t rsa, follow onscreen prompts, upon generation of key, scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to user@remote:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 17:14.09 | ajavid | wrong nick |
| 17:14.10 | gravity | Hukka: I know intel should have displayport support already. Not sure about radeon. |
| 17:14.27 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: sneaker net direct download most likely |
| 17:14.43 | bluethundr | ajavid: obrigado |
| 17:14.52 | ajavid | *nod* |
| 17:15.02 | Hukka | gravity: Heh, Intel graphics :) |
| 17:15.05 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: i was hoping it was just hiding in like /usr/sbin/random/path/with/no/logical/naming/convention/lspci |
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| 17:16.17 | Hukka | Oh, and speaking of ATI, not going to get a motherboard with a chipset from them again... at least not in a while |
| 17:16.39 | Hukka | The current one has given me too much grief, and I've just given up trying to fix it |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: you might get some helpful info from dmesg |
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| 17:18.58 | phamin | Hi |
| 17:19.12 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: well, i installed a system i have a stack of like systems (same mobo and proc) and i cloned the hdd, this is the first clone i'm trying and it doesn't see eth0 |
| 17:19.17 | phamin | I have a question Geeks:What configuration parameter sets the user's web directory to be |
| 17:19.18 | phamin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.33 | phamin | What configuration parameter sets the user's web directory to be public_html? |
| 17:19.36 | ajavid | userdir |
| 17:19.52 | ajavid | UserDir in apache's config |
| 17:19.59 | ajavid | 1.3 differs from 2.x |
| 17:20.09 | tonsofpcs | ah ha! |
| 17:20.10 | ajavid | directive is the same, config files locations are diff |
| 17:20.16 | tonsofpcs | it renamed eth0 to eth1 for some reason... |
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| 17:20.50 | miracle2k | i think i installed a pretty standard debian lenny, and on reboot I get: "Volume Group <name> not found". After some delay, I'm dropped into a shell, where running "lvm vgscan; lvm vgchange -ay" finds and activates the volumnes, and "exit" continues the boot successfully. |
| 17:21.04 | phamin | Thanks guys. |
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| 17:21.28 | miracle2k | Any idea why that would be, or how to make it find the volumes autoamtically? |
| 17:21.31 | ajavid | ahh i remember |
| 17:21.40 | ajavid | phamin left? |
| 17:21.49 | ajavid | just had to enable the userdir mod. |
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| 17:22.55 | tonsofpcs | is there a reason why udev would rename eth0 to eth1 on startup (12 s in) |
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| 17:25.17 | cahoot | tonsofpcs: remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 17:26.54 | tonsofpcs | thanks cahoot |
| 17:26.56 | tonsofpcs | looks around |
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| 17:27.25 | cahoot | tonsofpcs: it will be recreated |
| 17:27.35 | tonsofpcs | ah, it stores the mac address :) |
| 17:27.39 | tonsofpcs | cool, thanks :D |
| 17:27.39 | abrotman | !tell tonsofpcs about z25 |
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| 17:28.07 | cevdet | selam |
| 17:28.20 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: see .. wasn't that easier than sneakernet installing pciutils ? :) |
| 17:28.22 | cevdet | turkçe bilen varmı |
| 17:28.26 | abrotman | !tr |
| 17:28.26 | dpkg | it has been said that tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 17:28.45 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: yes :) thanks :) |
| 17:28.56 | tonsofpcs | although i will still want to install pciutils |
| 17:29.30 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: well .. it's your HDD image .. put on it what you want |
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| 17:31.13 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: eh, it's already cloned to all the systems, i'll just install it on each as i configure them :) |
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| 17:33.57 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: ah gotcha |
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| 17:36.20 | freaka | sup abrotman |
| 17:36.25 | freaka | and tonsofpcs |
| 17:36.29 | freaka | our very active community members :) |
| 17:36.44 | freaka | is there a decent c# ide for linux that can open visual studio solution files? |
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| 17:37.04 | rasturm | i some some yahoo account...and of the "send" directory all messages seems as read...is normally? |
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| 17:37.20 | swarog | is madwifi missing in debian testing? |
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| 17:38.55 | ajavid | freaka, yes |
| 17:39.13 | nvz | is there a way to do graphical boot loader with grub? I know how to do it with lilo.. just wondering before I switch to an older bootloader |
| 17:39.25 | ajavid | freaka, monodevelop |
| 17:39.35 | freaka | so it does do that, it didnt say so on the main page |
| 17:39.38 | freaka | i'll look into it |
| 17:39.42 | abrotman | judd: versions madwifi-tools |
| 17:39.43 | judd | abrotman: madwifi-tools -- etch/contrib: 1:0.9.2+dfsg-1 lenny/contrib: 1:0.9.4+r3685.20080531+dfsg-1 |
| 17:39.48 | freaka | does it compile to a gtk.net type thing? |
| 17:39.49 | abrotman | swarog: would seem so |
| 17:39.57 | swarog | abrotman: darn, what now? |
| 17:39.57 | abrotman | swarog: though ath5k should be there |
| 17:40.06 | ajavid | MonoDevelop can open and save most Visual Studio 2005 and Visual Studio 2008 solution and project files directly |
| 17:40.06 | swarog | abrotman: without master mode ? |
| 17:40.20 | abrotman | swarog: heck if i know .. i don't use it |
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| 17:40.31 | freaka | so we've got monodevelop, eclipse, and kdevelop |
| 17:40.35 | swarog | abrotman: well, it is without master mode, and thats what i need |
| 17:40.39 | freaka | is there a decent php ide like vs.php ? |
| 17:40.46 | ajavid | vs.php? are you nuts |
| 17:40.55 | freaka | its pretty quick that shit |
| 17:40.57 | freaka | lol |
| 17:40.58 | swarog | btw, /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/build is part of what package |
| 17:40.58 | abrotman | freaka: eclipse? |
| 17:40.59 | freaka | what do you recommend? |
| 17:41.03 | ajavid | try netbeans 6.5 |
| 17:41.11 | abrotman | freaka: i recommend you stop hitting the enter key every third word |
| 17:41.12 | ajavid | its better than zend studio or pdt |
| 17:41.14 | freaka | hmmm i didnt like the eclipse pdt |
| 17:41.21 | freaka | sorry its by mistake |
| 17:41.29 | abrotman | freaka: eclipse/anjuta/bluefish .. probably kate does it too |
| 17:41.41 | freaka | yeah i'll look into netbeans then, could handle my java also |
| 17:41.46 | ajavid | abrotman, he asked specifically for an IDE |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | and? |
| 17:41.51 | freaka | . . . . i'm just planning on setting up a development workstation |
| 17:41.56 | ajavid | kate is not an IDE |
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| 17:42.11 | abrotman | depends how you term an IDE .. 'vi' is my IDE :) |
| 17:42.15 | phet | hello, can anyone help me with xchat and bitlbee? |
| 17:42.16 | ajavid | heh |
| 17:42.19 | freaka | so netbeans also has a 'run' debugging feature? i dont have to set up a server and all of that do i? |
| 17:42.20 | ajavid | word |
| 17:42.45 | ajavid | http://www.netbeans.org/downloads/start.html?platform=linux&lang=en&option=php&version=6.5.1 |
| 17:42.46 | abrotman | swarog: i guess you could get the madwifi source and do it yourself .. but i believe it's been abandoned upstream |
| 17:43.01 | ajavid | this is only the netbeans php edition, nothing else |
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| 17:43.13 | ajavid | and installed size is 90~ish mb total |
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| 17:43.25 | zhxk | hello, my network behaves strange, how to solve?:http://pastebin.ca/1409583 thanks! |
| 17:43.26 | ajavid | its better and faster than vs.php, eclipse/pdt, zend studio |
| 17:43.38 | ajavid | netbeans seriously is kicking major ass right now with 6.5 |
| 17:43.39 | freaka | hmm |
| 17:43.45 | ajavid | and the 6.7 beta is freaking amazing too |
| 17:43.55 | freaka | so can monodevelop open visual studio 2008 |
| 17:44.02 | freaka | hmmmm netbeans then |
| 17:44.03 | ajavid | are you serious? |
| 17:44.08 | ajavid | I just told you that like 2 minutes ago.. |
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| 17:44.35 | freaka | oh sorry, i thought you said 2000 and 2005 |
| 17:44.50 | abrotman | zhxk: there's nothing wrong with that |
| 17:44.55 | swarog | funny, i have 2.6.26-1-686 installed and no linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686 available |
| 17:45.03 | freaka | question: does it compile to gtk? |
| 17:45.03 | freaka | i mean, does it use gtk? |
| 17:45.04 | swarog | only linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:45.24 | abrotman | swarog: because your kernel is out of date |
| 17:45.52 | swarog | abrotman: im not getting available update on apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:46.29 | Younix | fuck all of you niggers |
| 17:46.36 | ajavid | ahhh boy |
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| 17:46.41 | ajavid | here we go again |
| 17:46.49 | zhxk | sorry, this one:http://pastebin.ca/1409589 |
| 17:46.51 | ajavid | freaka, yes |
| 17:46.53 | swarog | jolly nice man |
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| 17:47.15 | zhxk | abrotman:this one,http://pastebin.ca/1409589 |
| 17:47.18 | ajavid | freaka, it uses the window theming of the JRE I think |
| 17:47.34 | freaka | hmm |
| 17:47.38 | abrotman | swarog: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:47.48 | freaka | it would be cool to build my apps cross platform |
| 17:48.01 | freaka | yeah i'm goin debian |
| 17:48.05 | freaka | i think i'll take the gtk/gnome route |
| 17:48.16 | abrotman | zhxk: looks fine to me .. unless you describe a problem, i won't be much help |
| 17:48.19 | freaka | dont have much time for koffice/konqueror/kde and all of the apps with a k |
| 17:48.35 | ajavid | when my java was gcj my fonts were not anti aliased and with sun's java they are |
| 17:48.39 | ajavid | weird |
| 17:48.49 | freaka | lol :p |
| 17:48.53 | ajavid | anyway I'm also trying to figure out how to change the fonts etc. in arbitrary java applications |
| 17:48.57 | freaka | kde 4.2 is a vista rip off man |
| 17:49.02 | ajavid | where is java themeing/fonting controlled? |
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| 17:49.11 | ajavid | in the actual app source? or what? |
| 17:49.15 | zhxk | abrotman:well, i configured manually and sshed to that computer |
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| 17:49.23 | freaka | the thing uses either swing or the vm |
| 17:49.28 | freaka | i think the fonts are set up in the vm |
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| 17:49.37 | zhxk | abrotman:well, i configured manually use ifconfig and sshed to that computer |
| 17:49.49 | gigo | I am using squeeze. I want to find a couple of things. which 'flash' is being used by my iceweasel. |
| 17:49.57 | ajavid | gigo, about:plugins |
| 17:49.59 | gigo | also, can I install the adobe flash using aptitude? |
| 17:50.06 | ajavid | gigo, aptitude search flash ~i |
| 17:50.21 | ajavid | dph |
| 17:50.22 | ajavid | ;alkdj;alksdjf |
| 17:50.24 | ajavid | goddamit |
| 17:50.33 | ajavid | gigo, wrong |
| 17:50.39 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.39 | gigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.39 | gigo | MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled |
| 17:50.39 | gigo | application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes |
| 17:50.39 | gigo | application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes |
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| 17:50.43 | ajavid | gigo, yes, /msg dpkg dmm add reposirotyr, install flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 17:50.52 | stew | what a team |
| 17:50.58 | gigo | sorry for that. didn't know they were 5 lines long. |
| 17:50.59 | freaka | :| |
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| 17:51.14 | freaka | stew, hello there |
| 17:51.30 | gigo | npwrapper.libflashplayer.so ; Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 ; application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes ; application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes |
| 17:51.30 | HTT-Bird | hey, what should I do if I need a newer version of a specific package than my distro (Lenny in this case) provides? |
| 17:51.32 | mirak | why the does debuild put the built package below the real folder when you came to that folder from a symlink ??? |
| 17:51.36 | abrotman | zhxk: good for you .. is there a problem? |
| 17:51.41 | G69 | Good Afternoon / Boa Tarde |
| 17:51.42 | gigo | anyone knows what flash that is? |
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| 17:51.49 | abrotman | !tell HTT-Bird about bpo |
| 17:51.58 | mirak | why does debuild put the built package below the real folder when you came to that folder from a symlink and not in the symlink parent folder ??? |
| 17:52.14 | freaka | htt-bird: you can possibly build from source or download a .deb from their site |
| 17:52.15 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, ty |
| 17:52.26 | HTT-Bird | freaka, abrotman pointed bpo out :) |
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| 17:52.35 | zhxk | abrotman:well, if rebooted, the eth0 is gone from the ifocnfig |
| 17:52.49 | freaka | aah just trying to help :-) |
| 17:52.57 | zhxk | and the network is unreachable |
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| 17:54.31 | warren_ | hello guys |
| 17:54.48 | warren_ | is there any netinstall iso available for the unstable version? |
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| 17:54.59 | ajavid | there are some sid isos |
| 17:55.01 | warren_ | because i need the 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 kernel at install time |
| 17:55.04 | ajavid | not sure if there is one for netinst |
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| 17:55.40 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, the package I'm looking for isn't in bpo :( |
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| 17:56.04 | stew | warren_: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 17:56.14 | warren_ | hm, can you do a netinstall with another iso than the normal iso? |
| 17:56.23 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: which package is it? |
| 17:56.32 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, lyx |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | !tell HTT-Bird about ssb |
| 17:56.46 | abrotman | don't know how "simple" lyx will be ... |
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| 17:58.00 | zhxk | abrotman:i'm on another computer to send message to you. i can ifconfig eth0 xxx.xx.xx.xxx to that computer as to ssh to it. |
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| 17:58.22 | warren_ | can someone help me? |
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| 17:59.25 | stew | warren_: yes, you can, i'd recommend the ISOs from kmuto which are netinst images for stable with newer kernels |
| 18:00.06 | sylecn | what's the command that list all linked so file for a executable? |
| 18:00.13 | warren_ | ok interresting, thanks will have a look |
| 18:00.13 | abrotman | ldd |
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| 18:00.19 | sylecn | thanks |
| 18:00.53 | bolt | gah. i can't find dpkg's what to back up list. what's that factoid called? |
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| 18:01.19 | themill | dpkg: tell bolt about things to backup |
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| 18:01.24 | bolt | ah. thanks |
| 18:01.59 | themill | bolt: /msg dpkg search dpkg |
| 18:02.39 | warren_ | thanks, but i need kernel 2.6.29, are there any isos availble with this kernel? |
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| 18:04.32 | abrotman | !tell warren_ about kmuto |
| 18:04.37 | abrotman | for like the fourth time |
| 18:04.38 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, whee! aptitude build-dep failed to install libaiksaurus-dev = lyx buid failed ;p |
| 18:04.46 | warren_ | its 2.6.28 |
| 18:04.56 | HTT-Bird | *build |
| 18:05.12 | abrotman | warren_: which driver do you need that's not in .28 ? |
| 18:05.37 | warren_ | rt2870sta |
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| 18:05.46 | themill | [18:55] <warren_> because i need the 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 kernel at install time |
| 18:05.46 | stew | warren_: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 18:06.17 | warren_ | sorry my bad, it seems i need the 2.6.29 kernel |
| 18:07.12 | HTT-Bird | pings abrotman |
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| 18:07.43 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: can you build that? |
| 18:07.53 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, will give it a shot ;) |
| 18:08.42 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, no source package for libaiksaurus |
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| 18:09.16 | JockyWilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.23 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: build libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a ? |
| 18:09.38 | rasturm | where i put some questions about some functionalities of the internet ? |
| 18:09.44 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: oh .. seems to be libaiksaurus-1.2-dev |
| 18:09.52 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, the package hasn't been updated from Lenny to Sid, so I'll just use Lenny's version |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | rasturm: uh what? |
| 18:10.37 | rasturm | abrotman: is some channels dedicates for this use? |
| 18:11.14 | abrotman | for what use? |
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| 18:12.18 | rasturm | for put some question for example for use yahoo services |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | rasturm: none that i know of .. not this one |
| 18:12.37 | rasturm | ok |
| 18:12.54 | abrotman | maybe ask one of your questions .. we'll see if there's a place to go |
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| 18:19.21 | gmap | how can I install firefox 3 (not iceweasel) on debian? |
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| 18:21.29 | gigo | this is a question I have too. |
| 18:21.31 | martianlobster | Is there a website which list all of the packages which are available for apt-get? something like gentoo-portage.com for gentoo? |
| 18:21.37 | gigo | it is possible to install Firefox from non-free or something? |
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| 18:23.37 | Trewas | gigo: you can get the .tar.gz from upstream and extract it to somewhere under your home directory, and run from there |
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| 18:24.20 | gigo | Trewas, yes, I can of course do that. But I was wondering if Debian already maintains it as .deb in some non-free or contrib repo. |
| 18:24.40 | Trewas | gigo: no, there's only iceweasel |
| 18:24.44 | gigo | ok |
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| 18:25.01 | gigo | is there any specific reason why firefox is not maintained in non-free? |
| 18:25.47 | Trewas | probably nobody has bothered since iceweasel is pretty much identical except from name&logo |
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| 18:26.19 | abrotman | gigo: they don't want us to distribute firefox |
| 18:27.40 | gigo | abrotman, but how can they stop anyone from distributing firefox without violating their license? |
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| 18:28.16 | gigo | the original firefox can be put in non-free without any modification. but that is answered by Trewas that nobody bothers since iceweasel works identically. |
| 18:28.21 | Manoj | gigo: trademarks are differnt from copyright |
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| 18:28.55 | gigo | Manoj, I understand that. But I or a Debian developer as a user is free to distribute the original firefox as firefox. Their license allows that, isn't it? |
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| 18:29.33 | stew | gigo: yes, but we don't want to have to distribute the original firefox, we want to be able to provide security patches |
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| 18:29.45 | Manoj | gigo: no changes, though. And that means no changes to make it fit into debian |
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| 18:30.33 | gigo | firefox won't fit into debian without changes? |
| 18:30.40 | stew | removing firefox from debian just to be able to call it firefox is a disservice to our users |
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| 18:30.53 | HTT-Bird | ok, how do I install a .deb that's already on disk? dpkg right? |
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| 18:31.08 | gigo | HTT-Bird, dpkg -i should work, i think. |
| 18:31.13 | HTT-Bird | martianlobster, there's a packages section on debian.org |
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| 18:31.17 | HTT-Bird | gigo, ty |
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| 18:32.53 | alex111 | hi all, I'm trying to do cat /vmlinuz>/dev/snd/pcmC0D0c to get some sound, but get an error "cat write error . invalid argument" . what it's complaining about? |
| 18:32.57 | gigo | Manoj, I didn't understand your point. Wouldn't firefox into Debian without changes? Then, I am wondering why the same issue doesn't arise in case of Ubuntu. |
| 18:33.02 | alexhq | How to build nvidia kernel module if I have installed linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen? I always use custom kernel (by make-kpkg) but I can;t build from scratch because --added-patches xen won't work as expected. |
| 18:33.05 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, the source build works :) |
| 18:33.10 | stew | gigo: no, firefox can't go into debian without changes |
| 18:33.23 | stew | gigo: and not being able to fix secuirty issues in it make it a non-starter |
| 18:33.33 | gigo | ok. and if you make changes, you can't call it Firefox? |
| 18:33.36 | JyZyXEL | debian installer asked me if i wanted some new grub or legacy grub |
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| 18:33.39 | stew | gigo: currect |
| 18:33.41 | JyZyXEL | i choose the new grub |
| 18:33.45 | JyZyXEL | i hate it |
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| 18:33.53 | JyZyXEL | how do i go back to the good old version? |
| 18:33.59 | gigo | how does Debian distribute other software like XChat, Pidgin, etc. they don't have similar restrictions? |
| 18:34.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: aptitude install grub, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:34.20 | stew | gigo: correct |
| 18:35.52 | XAVeRY | debian rocks since it was the only one distribution that succeeded to install on Pentium MMX 233MHz with 64MB RAM. |
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| 18:36.31 | hjb | XAVeRY: have you tried slackware back then?!? |
| 18:36.42 | XAVeRY | hjb: oh yes. and believe you me, I was VERY surprised when it failed. |
| 18:36.42 | freaka | lol! |
| 18:36.47 | freaka | i used slackware back then |
| 18:36.51 | XAVeRY | um. |
| 18:36.54 | XAVeRY | I mean today. |
| 18:37.00 | hjb | yeah, me too, that's why i've asked ;) |
| 18:37.01 | XAVeRY | I just installed it yesterday. |
| 18:37.03 | freaka | on a curic 686 166mhz! |
| 18:37.03 | freaka | cyrix |
| 18:37.13 | hjb | XAVeRY: ahh, ok |
| 18:37.16 | XAVeRY | :) |
| 18:38.50 | gmap | heres a useful link on installing firefox3 on debian http://dannybuntu.blogspot.com/2008/03/howto-install-firefox-3-beta-4-in.html |
| 18:39.55 | amphi | dannybuntu? |
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| 18:40.30 | epsas | hmm |
| 18:40.39 | epsas | i have to say that this is not the best advice |
| 18:40.50 | epsas | it doesn't get into creating menu entries or .desktop files, etc... |
| 18:40.52 | stew | gmap: that would certainly not be recommended |
| 18:41.01 | gmap | why not stew |
| 18:41.57 | hjb | hmm, i've installed the various pulseaudio packages. now, what am i supposed to do to get it configured and used? |
| 18:42.27 | stew | gmap: because "aptitude install iceweasel" is easier, it will be easier to update when there are security problems, you can still use aptitude/apt-get to install plugins/extensions, when you upgrade you won't lose your plugins/extensions, it will work with the alternatives system, you'll have menu entries created for you / etc |
| 18:42.33 | Manoj | gigo: ubuntu reached a deal with mozilla to always get their changes vetted by mozilla folks, or something |
| 18:42.54 | Manoj | gigo: and I think some accommodation was reached |
| 18:43.00 | zhxk | have fun,all, see you later |
| 18:43.41 | gmap | stew do you have any experience with debian live? |
| 18:43.51 | stew | gmap: no, sorry |
| 18:43.55 | gmap | k |
| 18:44.01 | gigo | Manoj, ok |
| 18:44.11 | Trewas | firefox instelled from upstream .tar.gz keeps itself automagically updated, at least if the user running it has write permissions to where it is installed |
| 18:45.08 | epsas | i had to install firefox from upstream for political reasons, unfortunately... |
| 18:45.16 | enouf | Trewas: like WindowsUpdate automagic? |
| 18:45.27 | enouf | Trewas: can one turn that off easily? |
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| 18:47.06 | Trewas | enouf: it can be probably turned off, but why would you? |
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| 18:47.44 | Manoj | Trewas: what kind of man-in-middle attack defense does it ahve? |
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| 18:47.46 | enouf | Trewas: same reason i always rip WindowsUpdate out of the registry 1st thing when i have to use any windows machine |
| 18:48.04 | Manoj | Trewas: is there a certificate it looks for? |
| 18:48.58 | enouf | Trewas: i personally do not like anything 'auto' in it when it comes to d/l, updating, installingm etc .. unless i personally have vetted it prior, and/or i schedule it to do so |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | enouf: you ccan configure WU to not install stuff magically |
| 18:49.21 | Trewas | Manoj: no idea, but they are using the same infrastructure for all updates so it is not only some linux-only afterthought |
| 18:49.25 | enouf | abrotman: i know, but i like to rip chunks out of the registry ;-) |
| 18:52.59 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:52.59 | enouf | abrotman: especially on older windows versions where it was much tougher to turn that shit off |
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| 18:52.59 | Trewas | actually in case of firefox its updates are better "intergrated" than debian (or ubuntu) packaged versions, because firefox must be restarted anyway after upgrade |
| 18:52.59 | abrotman | won't say 'ok' again .. jeez |
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| 18:53.25 | gigo | In my Lenny I see that a GNU java is installed. how did it get installed automatically? |
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| 18:53.27 | abrotman | gigo: aptitude why <whatever> |
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| 18:58.01 | xxtjaxx | holy fuck |
| 18:58.14 | infinity1 | umm. I've installed xwindows and tightvncserver on my lenny server and after awhile when my vnc sessions are idle, the screen goes black. |
| 18:58.20 | infinity1 | any ideas? |
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| 19:01.33 | Mood | wow. that never happened to me before... debhelper overflow... |
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| 19:03.03 | nemstep | #gentoo has 959 at the moment, :) [#debian third after ##linux] |
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| 19:06.54 | wsxws | hi there |
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| 19:08.34 | wsxws | how to see all users, how to see all groups, how to see the groups a certain user belongs to and finaly how to see what users belong to a certain group ? |
| 19:08.55 | adama_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:09.38 | adama_ | and /etc/passwd |
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| 19:09.57 | adama_ | probably there is a better way |
| 19:10.00 | Tigger__ | Blimey XChat on Debian just di my head in in lol, i added a new server and all sorts of strangs things happened |
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| 19:10.22 | simNIX | what wrong with the files that hold / contol groups ? |
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| 19:10.31 | simNIX | sound good - ) |
| 19:10.51 | wsxws | to have a look at this list is more confusing than explaning |
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| 19:11.23 | wsxws | the is a command to add users, to add groups, to add users to groups, arent there any commands to list users and groups ? |
| 19:11.32 | Tigger__ | i havn't quite got to grips with it yet |
| 19:11.37 | dondelelcaro | wsxws: getent |
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| 19:13.02 | wsxws | getent works like cat, doesnt it ? |
| 19:13.17 | wsxws | getent passwd ie gives the same result as cat passwd |
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| 19:14.08 | stew | wsxws: it depends. if, for instance, you also had users in ldap, it would list the ldap users |
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| 19:16.19 | wsxws | ah, found the first, groups user shows what groups that user is in |
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| 19:17.47 | enouf | wsxws: man id |
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| 19:19.10 | simonrvn | getent passwd will show ldap users, but you need /etc/nsswitch.conf configured properly. |
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| 19:19.14 | wsxws | id is a good one, now somethind like this fpr groups would be great |
| 19:19.15 | simonrvn | wsxws: ^^^ |
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| 19:19.53 | enouf | bash tab-completion is wonderous at times; "~[tab][tab]" ;-) |
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| 19:21.06 | wsxws | thanks at the time being, im going to google for a while |
| 19:21.13 | wsxws | wish u a nice evening |
| 19:21.14 | enouf | hrm .. greycat would shoot me for this, but .. |
| 19:21.16 | enouf | cut -d: -f1 < /etc/passwd | sort | xargs echo |
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| 19:21.24 | enouf | from man xargs :-) |
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| 19:21.52 | simonrvn | why the effing xargs echo? bad example. |
| 19:21.59 | enouf | eww.. my xargs is still way broken .. xargs: xargs.c:444: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. |
| 19:22.12 | justin | the default for xargs is echo |
| 19:22.22 | hoxu | simonrvn, to concenate the stuff I guess |
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| 19:22.43 | bzed | simonrvn: what would you do instead of xargs echo? |
| 19:22.45 | hoxu | uh, what was the word... |
| 19:22.54 | justin | hoxu: concatenate ? |
| 19:22.54 | hoxu | *concatenate |
| 19:22.59 | simonrvn | hoxu: to put it on one line |
| 19:23.08 | enouf | if the delimeter in your shell is set properly - plus, as i said, i took that directly from the man page - complain to the author :-P |
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| 19:23.18 | justin | hoxu: you do realize the 'cat' command stands for concatenate, right?:) |
| 19:23.27 | simonrvn | no, makes sense. had to try it. |
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| 19:23.31 | justin | hoxu: cocenate doesn't have 'cat' in it :) |
| 19:23.44 | enouf | neither does coconuts |
| 19:23.57 | justin | enouf: true, but you could put a cat in a coconut |
| 19:23.58 | cloudy_nz | hi, does anyone know how to get VirtualBox to recognise Debian screen resolution? |
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| 19:24.30 | hoxu | justin, that's a good rule to remember it :p |
| 19:24.32 | enouf | justin: nice one .. and then microwave them together? mmm .. sounds scrumptous |
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| 19:25.28 | cloudy_nz | wonders htf to upgrade kernel to 2.6.27 |
| 19:25.38 | enouf | cloudy_nz: why? |
| 19:25.46 | enouf | cloudy_nz: go further or lower |
| 19:25.46 | xingu | enouf: try @[tab][tab] |
| 19:26.19 | simonrvn | justin: if it's a small enough cat ;p |
| 19:26.20 | enouf | xingu: heh nada ... and you try $[tab][tab] .. oh |
| 19:26.20 | cloudy_nz | enouf: Virtualbox2. is saying it won't recognise OpenGL unless there's 2.6.27 |
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| 19:26.44 | cloudy_nz | kicks VirtualBox |
| 19:27.06 | justin | cloudy_nz: opengl works over ssh |
| 19:27.15 | enouf | xingu: i have all these failed! and xargs errors laced throughout my boot screen console (tty1) ... so it's expected - i'll fix it soon enough |
| 19:27.18 | justin | or just normal remote X sessions |
| 19:27.22 | justin | played q3 over ssh once heh |
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| 19:27.37 | cloudy_nz | I installed Deb5 so I could play some 3D games.... |
| 19:27.44 | cloudy_nz | kicks VirtualBox some more |
| 19:28.04 | justin | cloudy_nz: uhh, you installed debian in virtualbox to play games? |
| 19:28.08 | enouf | xingu: references to bootclean.sh and other init.d/ or rcS.d/ files trying to clean /var/ and /tmp and such |
| 19:28.35 | cloudy_nz | justin: am not allowed to play with booting on wife's Vista laptop |
| 19:28.56 | xingu | enouf: sounds nasty :) |
| 19:29.09 | enouf | cloudy_nz: does it require >=2.6.27? or it must be .27? |
| 19:29.18 | jmoncayo | is there any software like fruityloops for linux? |
| 19:29.26 | xingu | enouf: if I hadn't just spent the afternoon drinking IPA in the sun I might actually care, too. :) |
| 19:29.47 | abrotman | jmoncayo: which does what? |
| 19:29.56 | cloudy_nz | enouf: >=2.6.27 |
| 19:29.57 | enouf | xingu: sounds like fun to me - system boots fine .. even though the console text during boot never gets finished ; ergo; i cannot use tty1 :-) |
| 19:30.13 | enouf | cloudy_nz: so install a squeeze kernel |
| 19:30.22 | enouf | or sid or whatever |
| 19:30.26 | cloudy_nz | enouf: know any good online tuts? |
| 19:30.28 | jmoncayo | abrotman: music creator |
| 19:30.34 | simonrvn | xingu: ipa? |
| 19:30.44 | abrotman | jmoncayo: i'm sure there is something like rosegarden perhaps? |
| 19:30.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: beer |
| 19:30.53 | simonrvn | ah |
| 19:30.53 | justin | cloudy_nz: most games for linux are also available as native windows versions... |
| 19:30.58 | jmoncayo | abrotman: i will check in it |
| 19:31.00 | enouf | cloudy_nz: go to p.d.o .org and get the correct .deb, then "dpkg -i linux-image-version" ; done |
| 19:31.25 | cloudy_nz | enouf: thanks muchly |
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| 19:32.12 | jmoncayo | abrotman: how cani blacklist ssb, i tried blacklist ssb in the blacklist.local but it keeps loading the module |
| 19:32.14 | enouf | cloudy_nz: for future reading; /msg dpkg grounding and install the debian-reference |
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| 19:32.58 | enouf | jmoncayo: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs and make sure it's not listed in /etc/modules |
| 19:33.21 | enouf | eww .. description: Sonics Silicon Backplane driver |
| 19:33.24 | cloudy_nz | enouf: I am one of the ex-Debian people that migrated to Ubuntu for 2 years...think 50% of my brain has disappeared |
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| 19:33.37 | enouf | cloudy_nz: heh .. |
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| 19:33.52 | enouf | welcome home son :-P |
| 19:33.56 | amphi | an apostate! |
| 19:34.05 | enouf | heathen! |
| 19:34.07 | jmoncayo | enouf: already blackisted it, initramfs done, it is not in modules, and did even changed the ssb.ko to ssb.ko.disabled |
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| 19:34.35 | enouf | jmoncayo: that's silly |
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| 19:35.13 | jmoncayo | enouf: it keeps loading the module, i read i needed to do something in a file for it not to be loaded, but i dont remember what or which file it was |
| 19:35.21 | cloudy_nz | yeah Ubuntu users are spoiled with updates & preconfigured apps |
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| 19:35.50 | avuton | How can I get a copy of the source dpkg for an experimental package? |
| 19:36.33 | enouf | jmoncayo: pastebin output of "rgrep ssb /etc/modprobe.d" ; and "ls /etc/mod*" |
| 19:37.44 | enouf | avuton: you want dpkg source? |
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| 19:38.03 | enouf | apt-get source dpkg ? |
| 19:38.19 | avuton | enouf: I want to stay on stable but get the sources for an experimental package, but yet |
| 19:38.23 | avuton | err yes |
| 19:38.30 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache showsrc dpkg |
| 19:38.52 | enouf | avuton: well - then /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:39.23 | enouf | avuton: although .. if you just want dpkg source - go to p.d.o and d/l the source |
| 19:39.24 | simonrvn | simple sid backport? |
| 19:39.33 | simonrvn | oh nm.. |
| 19:39.38 | enouf | simonrvn: yep ;-) |
| 19:40.21 | avuton | enouf: thanks, not where I need to be yet, but now I know where to look |
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| 19:43.44 | jmoncayo | enouf: it worked this time |
| 19:43.50 | jmoncayo | enouf: thanks for the help |
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| 19:44.38 | enouf | jmoncayo: what did you do different? |
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| 19:45.10 | jmoncayo | enouf: same as before, blacklist and initramfs |
| 19:45.19 | aarkerio | Hi! If I installed debian vitualized over solaris, need I configure something different to regular installation? |
| 19:45.42 | aarkerio | because I am getting things like: |
| 19:45.43 | aarkerio | cp: preserving times for `/var/lib/ucf/hashfile.7': Bad address |
| 19:46.02 | aarkerio | when I use "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 19:47.27 | justin | aarkerio: that brandz or something? |
| 19:49.23 | cloudy_nz | is enjoying reading docs...something ubuntu users don't have to do.... |
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| 19:50.23 | duch6 | anyone here use grsec RBAC ? |
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| 20:04.25 | CrayT3E | I have the NVIDIA driver (from nvidia's site) and compiz manager installed in lenny, but I cannot see the "Visual Effects" tab in Preferences->Appearance |
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| 20:05.33 | aarkerio | Hi! I get this processor: |
| 20:05.34 | aarkerio | http://debian.pastebin.com/m2e29dfb1 |
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| 20:05.59 | aarkerio | do I need Install amd64 or 386? |
| 20:06.11 | adama_ | CrayT3E: install compizconfig-settings-manager |
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| 20:06.43 | CrayT3E | adama_, I have already installed it |
| 20:06.44 | adama_ | and/or fusion-icon |
| 20:06.53 | CrayT3E | as well |
| 20:06.54 | adama_ | use it to manage compiz |
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| 20:08.41 | adama_ | CrayT3E: I've never seen any "visual effects" tab in Debian - only in Ubuntu etc. that has "their own watered-down default version" of compiz |
| 20:09.09 | adama_ | in debian it's separated from gnome |
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| 20:09.35 | enouf | aarkerio: how odd .. it has a 'lahf_lm' flag and even the vmx one, but no 'lm' flag (which is what is needed for 64bit) |
| 20:10.00 | CrayT3E | adama_, ok. then I have been spoiled to much by ubuntu for the last 2 years. I am glad I am switching back to debian though :) |
| 20:10.08 | enouf | aarkerio: the vmx one is needed for hardware VT - /msg dpkg kvm |
| 20:10.41 | adama_ | CrayT3E: yeah, use the icon to switch between compiz and metacity, then use ccsm to config it |
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| 20:11.32 | jmoncayo | whats compiz and metacity? |
| 20:11.42 | enouf | aarkerio: Ahh .. my bad .. since you're using lshw or something instead of /proc/cpuinfo .. it shows "x86-64" instead of "lm" |
| 20:11.44 | gravity | jmoncayo: Window managers |
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| 20:12.07 | enouf | aarkerio: so amd64 would work fine as well as i386 |
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| 20:12.17 | jmoncayo | gravity: thanks |
| 20:12.17 | sepult | fuck you TBE, why didn't you put the s/n in it too !? |
| 20:12.23 | aarkerio | enouf: I get a VPS hosting from a2hosting.com and they installed debian 386 |
| 20:12.25 | cloudy_nz | oh well, I still can't get 2.6.27 installed....maybe later, off to my course to learn some ancient COBOL |
| 20:12.57 | enouf | aarkerio: that just means it's 32bit ... if you want 64bit install amd64 arch |
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| 20:13.59 | aarkerio | mmmm, there is no way to do that since they have the iso images to install in a limited list |
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| 20:14.31 | enouf | aarkerio: debootstrap possibly? |
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| 20:15.58 | aarkerio | all this was generated in first place because I am getting the message "bad address" in several commands |
| 20:16.49 | aarkerio | things like: |
| 20:16.51 | aarkerio | cp: preserving times for `/var/lib/ucf/hashfile.7': Bad address |
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| 20:17.16 | lvh__ | hi |
| 20:17.17 | aarkerio | when I type: "sudo apt-get install bash-completion" |
| 20:17.22 | enouf | aarkerio: i saw that from earlier .. i just don't know where to start in trying to resolve that |
| 20:18.26 | duch6 | What is the command to dump a X-screenshot to disk???? |
| 20:18.34 | aarkerio | the touch command give me a similar message few weeks a go, I resolved installing an older touch command version |
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| 20:20.52 | cahoot | duch6: xwd -root |xwdtopnm |pnmtopng > shot.png |
| 20:21.06 | aarkerio | thx guys to help me |
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| 20:21.30 | justin | cahoot: do you seriuosly use that method to take screenshots? |
| 20:21.34 | justin | !+screenshot |
| 20:21.35 | dpkg | To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot (scrot package), xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab. |
| 20:21.44 | adama_ | use scrot. |
| 20:21.58 | cahoot | justin: you disapprove? ;) |
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| 20:22.26 | valdyn | aarkerio: this should mean that your file or filesystem is broken |
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| 20:22.43 | adama_ | cahoot: at least tell me you have it aliased |
| 20:22.44 | valdyn | aarkerio: whats the output for "ls -l /var/lib/ucf/hashfile.7" |
| 20:22.48 | olspookishmagus | hello... is there a package for manipulating lha archives? |
| 20:23.06 | aarkerio | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1191 2009-05-01 15:22 /var/lib/ucf/hashfile.7 |
| 20:23.06 | valdyn | olspookishmagus: maybe the lha package |
| 20:23.14 | justin | valdyn: stop being so logical :-P |
| 20:23.27 | valdyn | justin: ok |
| 20:23.36 | a-v | Hi. I'm using Debian stable. I need to limit the number of processes a user can run. As usual, I add a line "<user> hard nproc 10" to /etc/security/limits.conf. However, this setting seems to be ignored at all. How do I fix it? |
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| 20:24.03 | olspookishmagus | valdyn: thanks, I couldn't find it cause it's in non-free |
| 20:24.36 | aarkerio | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 20:24.36 | aarkerio | /dev/simfs 50G 9.9G 41G 20% / |
| 20:24.49 | valdyn | aarkerio: which filesystem is that? |
| 20:24.51 | aarkerio | is a virtualized debian squeeze |
| 20:25.21 | justin | aarkerio: are you using brandz? |
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| 20:25.47 | valdyn | aarkerio: where did you copy it to? |
| 20:25.56 | aarkerio | no I think is Xen on CentOS |
| 20:26.05 | justin | aarkerio: uname -a ? |
| 20:26.09 | valdyn | aarkerio: so this is the wrong channel too |
| 20:26.26 | aarkerio | Linux synaptiu 2.6.18-53.1.19.el5.028stab053.14 #1 SMP Thu May 8 16:29:13 MSD 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:26.32 | valdyn | mymy |
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| 20:27.20 | justin | well, that is the redhat kernel at least |
| 20:27.37 | duch6 | What is the command to dump a X-screenshot to disk???? |
| 20:27.49 | justin | duch6: seriously? |
| 20:27.52 | justin | duch6: scroll up |
| 20:27.54 | adama_ | duch6: install scrot, use it |
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| 20:31.09 | duch6 | command-line. I've been using gnome for the last N years, and switched to wmii a few days ago, thus print screen isn't really an option any more. |
| 20:31.30 | dondelelcaro | duch6: import -window root foo.png; |
| 20:31.33 | dondelelcaro | duch6: or similar |
| 20:32.01 | justin | duch6: or any of the various commands outlined by the screenshot factoid I sent to the channel 10 minutes ago the first time he asked... |
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| 20:32.12 | flobbie | hi |
| 20:32.39 | duch6 | dondelelcaro: yeah, but I know I had some different way years ago, x-something-that-isnt-wmd :/ Might be my memory playing tricks on me |
| 20:32.53 | gravity | There's a zillion different ways. |
| 20:33.00 | gravity | Hence the factoid |
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| 20:33.14 | duch6 | for all I know, it can be a really sub-standard method, it just bothers me that I don't remember it |
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| 20:33.36 | cahoot | xwd as per the factoid? |
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| 20:33.56 | flobbie | I have a vServer so I can't use quota. But I want to control the used disk space from the users. How can I archieve that? Should I make a cron that checks every minute the used disk_space? |
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| 20:35.06 | duch6 | I know you can capture with xwd, but I'm fairly sure that's not the tool I'm trying to remember :D .... err... should probably just forget about it and use imagemagick |
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| 20:45.49 | roler | What can I add to my local.cf in spamassassin to give a higher score to the word SEX ? |
| 20:46.08 | dondelelcaro | roler: man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf; |
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| 20:46.38 | dondelelcaro | roler: you'll presumably want either a body, a header, or a full rule. #spamassassin is also a good place to ask |
| 20:46.55 | roler | :) |
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| 20:46.56 | roler | thanks |
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| 20:48.16 | _5618_ | roler, another way, if u are using procmail, apply a filter on the subject such that if it contains the word, the mail goes to /dev/null |
| 20:48.51 | roler | 5618; true that. didn't think of it. I am using procmail to move spam flagged emails to a Spam folder so I could do that too |
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| 20:51.52 | jmoncayo | hey guys, should compiz --replace be run with a & ? |
| 20:53.30 | justin | jmoncayo: yes |
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| 20:55.28 | jmoncayo | justin: thanks a lot, i was wondering why it freezed at Initializing rotate options...done |
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| 21:04.31 | enouf | duch6: maybe 'cp /dev/fb0 myfile' but i think that ends up in some funky format |
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| 21:06.39 | gigo | I have installed lenny. what is the standard away of keeping my system up to date? |
| 21:06.49 | gigo | aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade on a daily basis? |
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| 21:07.32 | enouf | basically - so long as you only have Lenny/Stable in sources.list - and security.debian.org |
| 21:07.45 | enouf | !security |
| 21:07.45 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 21:08.18 | gigo | once upon a time, people laughed at me when they saw that I had contrib and non-free in my security.debian.org line |
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| 21:10.59 | bzed | gigo: still not supported officially. but the security team doesn't mind to put things there, if you provide them with a fixed package |
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| 21:12.12 | gigo | bzed, what is not supported officially |
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| 21:12.46 | gigo | what is the difference between aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade. I know it says, "if the updates are kept back" but what does it mean? can someone explain it please in a more newbie-friendly manner? |
| 21:13.23 | roler | gigo; dist-upgrade is more of a critical-service type upgrade. |
| 21:13.37 | gigo | an example to clarify further? |
| 21:14.00 | bzed | gigo: security support ofr contrib and non-=free |
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| 21:14.22 | gigo | ok, then what is full-upgrade and why is it not mentioned in the dpkg help message? |
| 21:14.26 | roler | in my experience, things that could make your server go BOOM are often times saved for dist-upgrades. I am basing this off of what i've seen, not read but usually kernel's, glibc and what not |
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| 21:16.03 | gigo | then why does dpkg say, "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back - this doesn't really convey that dist-upgrade is for critical updates. |
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| 21:17.42 | sparta | i am using debian lenny and what to install php |
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| 21:18.36 | gigo | sparta, please rephrase your question. if you are not a native english speaker, may be you can try a channel in your language. |
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| 21:18.55 | sparta | i want to install php |
| 21:19.05 | jmoncayo | hey guys, i installed a package by accident and it installed a lot of depencies, if i do aptitude remove pacakge will it remove the other packages it installed too? |
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| 21:19.15 | gigo | sparta, php command line or php for Apache 2? |
| 21:19.27 | euphidim1 | Is there any reason I wouldn't be able to make an initrd for a 686-bigmem kernel while running a xen-amd64 kernel? I downloaded the kernel by fetching the 686-bigmem package and extracting it to / (it wouldn't let me install it due to the different architecture), then running depmod, then mkinitramfs, but when I try to boot a Xen domU with the kernel/ramdisk, it fails to boot with "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c" |
| 21:19.30 | sparta | php for Apache 2 |
| 21:19.33 | enouf | gigo: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
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| 21:20.41 | sparta | can i do just aptitude install php5? |
| 21:20.48 | _5618_ | sparr, apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:20.53 | gigo | sparta, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 is exactly what you need |
| 21:21.03 | gigo | sparta, however, aptitude install php5 is also okay |
| 21:21.13 | sparta | ok |
| 21:21.25 | gigo | sparta, if you run: aptitude show php5, you will see that php5 depends on libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:21.55 | gigo | so intalling php5 will install libapache2-mod-php5 along with a few more packages that you probably do not need. but it is safe to go with aptitude install php5 |
| 21:22.06 | sparta | okay |
| 21:22.11 | Manoj | jmoncayo: if you used aptitude, you are in luck, It will automatically removed the dependencies when you removed the package that got them isntalled |
| 21:22.24 | bc | Can someone give me a hand with this crazy grub problem? -> http://pastebin.ca/1409781 |
| 21:22.25 | _5618_ | yep, and i guess if u are installing php5 along with apache2, u will be needing mysql also |
| 21:22.34 | sparta | for postgresql access using php what other package is required? |
| 21:22.37 | Manoj | jmoncayo: if you did not use aptitude, well, look into deborphan or something |
| 21:22.44 | jmoncayo | Manoj: i used aptitude yay!! |
| 21:22.56 | jmoncayo | Manoj: should i use remove --purge |
| 21:22.57 | jmoncayo | ? |
| 21:23.11 | _5618_ | sparta, apt-get install php5-pgsql if u will be using postgresql |
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| 21:23.23 | unop | jmoncayo, aptitude purge package |
| 21:23.37 | enouf | euphidim1: i only recall an issue when someone was using 2.6.18 and xen-vserver, or xen - and the source code was not in the linux-source-2.6.18 pkg... a separate linux-patch-version needed to be applied - and also, i think he needed to set some SUBARCH=xen type variable as well |
| 21:23.39 | gigo | sparta, just wait a minute |
| 21:23.52 | jmoncayo | unop: thanks a lot |
| 21:23.53 | gigo | sparta, I want to confirm from the package description that whatever I just said is correct. |
| 21:23.54 | jmoncayo | =] |
| 21:24.03 | enouf | !seen dutchfish |
| 21:24.03 | dpkg | dutchfish <n=wil@84.28.246.30> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 65d 9h 6m 3s ago, saying: 'or should i address this q to another #ofrum?'. |
| 21:24.19 | _5618_ | gigo, yes it is |
| 21:24.37 | _5618_ | sparr, use apt-get and it will take care of the dependencies |
| 21:24.38 | enouf | wow .. must be working hard in those 3rd world school projects .. or whatever |
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| 21:25.11 | sparta | okay i will try that |
| 21:25.24 | gigo | _5618_, sparta : I am worried about this line in php5 package description : Removing this package won't remove PHP5 from your system, however it may remove other packages that depend on this one. |
| 21:25.48 | gigo | _5618_, sparta : so if she installs using "aptitude install php5", how would she later uninstall it if she has to? |
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| 21:26.07 | _5618_ | apt-get remove php5 |
| 21:26.18 | _5618_ | and it will take care of the deps |
| 21:26.32 | gigo | why does the package description say, "removing this package won't remove PHP5 from your system" ? |
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| 21:27.53 | _5618_ | coz there are other packages (php modules) that needs to be removed also |
| 21:28.16 | gigo | _5618_, okay |
| 21:28.26 | sparta | okay |
| 21:28.40 | _5618_ | installing php5 will install couple of other packages along with apache module in order that php runs without issues |
| 21:28.48 | capiira | hihi whats the best order for mdadm,lvm,dmcrypt and ext3? like raid->lvm->dmcrypt->ext3 or raid->dmcrypt->lvm->ext3 etc. ... |
| 21:28.55 | gigo | sparta, so it seems that you can go ahead with aptitude install php5. On my system, I have installed it as: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:29.25 | capiira | btw. want to be able to resize te lvm! |
| 21:29.33 | sparta | but i need it to work with postgres too |
| 21:29.37 | gigo | sparta, both should work fine. you canjust go for aptitude install php5 because it is easy to remember. |
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| 21:30.11 | _5618_ | sparta, apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-pgsql |
| 21:30.25 | _5618_ | and all the dependencies will be choosen automatically |
| 21:30.25 | sparta | okay |
| 21:30.54 | gigo | sparta, replace apt-get with aptitude if you have been using aptitude. |
| 21:31.08 | sparta | ok |
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| 21:32.20 | bc | Gentle persons, no love for my grub issue? Halps? :( -> http://pastebin.ca/1409781 |
| 21:32.21 | gigo | a small off topic note. I hope sparta is a female name. never seen any lady using Debian. Mostly seen them using Ubuntu. |
| 21:32.31 | jimi_hendrix | how is debian's ati support? ubuntu's has been good aweful and i have been distro hoping |
| 21:32.45 | gigo | jimi_hendrix, good aweful or god aweful? |
| 21:32.53 | jimi_hendrix | s/good/God/ |
| 21:32.56 | gigo | :-) |
| 21:33.01 | enouf | don't hop too high |
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| 21:33.14 | jimi_hendrix | ? |
| 21:33.18 | lotharn | is there a way to make firefox use smp better? |
| 21:33.35 | jimi_hendrix | so i was thinking of giving debian a shot before trying opensolaris or something |
| 21:34.14 | _5618_ | lol @ gigo |
| 21:34.14 | jimi_hendrix | so, any insight (my card is an ATI Radeon HD 3470) |
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| 21:34.52 | sparta | well its a lady in this case |
| 21:35.08 | gigo | that's good for Debian. :-) |
| 21:35.34 | _5618_ | jimi_hendrix, which ati? |
| 21:35.36 | _5618_ | radeon? |
| 21:35.38 | _5618_ | radeon hd? |
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| 21:36.44 | _5618_ | jimi_hendrix, lol |
| 21:37.21 | _5618_ | well, if u use ubuntu, u will find it working very fine |
| 21:37.36 | _5618_ | i suffered to get it working properly on debian etch |
| 21:37.43 | gravity | etch is ancient |
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| 21:38.07 | enouf | !radeon vs radeonhd |
| 21:38.07 | dpkg | The <radeon> project started under a non-disclosure agreement with ATI to develop <free software> drivers for Radeon graphics cards. In 2007, after ATI released its documentation, a second project, <radeonhd>, was started from scratch with a focus on newer hardware. Differences and similarities can be found at: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature and http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon#head-7b2a81f777639f8e12c9ac08a1e31d4c4bee9ef5 |
| 21:38.19 | Sebboh | I built an opensolaris box once.. The honeymoon was over as soon as I saw Login: rroot^b^b^b^boot on my screen. ..on the console, no less. |
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| 21:39.30 | gravity | looks up jimi_hendrix's card in the radeon driver source |
| 21:39.43 | _5618_ | bc, wuts wrong with ur grub? |
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| 21:40.48 | gravity | jimi_hendrix: Yes, your card should be supported by the default install of stable out of the box |
| 21:40.57 | gravity | radeon in lenny claims to support it |
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| 21:41.14 | jimi_hendrix | _5618_: uhh no...from 8.04, it went down hill in ubuntu |
| 21:41.27 | bc | _5618_: I explain the problem at the top here: http://pastebin.ca/1409781 |
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| 21:41.58 | _5618_ | jimi_hendrix, well, u could try lenny, radeonhd package is added |
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| 21:42.06 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 21:42.09 | gravity | radeonhd isn't necessary |
| 21:42.17 | gravity | The radeon driver in lenny supports your card out of the box |
| 21:42.17 | jimi_hendrix | well thats what it says my card is called |
| 21:42.25 | jimi_hendrix | ATI Radeon HD |
| 21:42.25 | gravity | sighs |
| 21:42.33 | jimi_hendrix | i read the thing |
| 21:42.38 | jimi_hendrix | i now know the difference |
| 21:42.43 | octoserver | if you compile and install somehting, then make a small change to the code and recompile and reinstall over the previous install, make install should just replace all of the files right ? |
| 21:42.44 | _5618_ | but if u want 3d effects, compiz desktop, u will have a headache |
| 21:42.51 | jimi_hendrix | i am just saying thats what my card says |
| 21:43.05 | jimi_hendrix | _5618_: can i have 2d effects to play battle for wesnoth |
| 21:43.11 | gravity | Anyway, you shouldn't have to do anything |
| 21:43.23 | gravity | No idea about dri for that chip though |
| 21:43.32 | gigo | octoserver, yes, it should |
| 21:43.46 | jimi_hendrix | dri? |
| 21:43.50 | _5618_ | jimi_hendrix, yes u could |
| 21:44.03 | gravity | jimi_hendrix: 3D acceleration |
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| 21:44.10 | jimi_hendrix | _5618_: but i couldnt play, say, nexuiz? (no problem for me, i keep windows around for games) |
| 21:44.11 | gravity | Direct Rendering Infrastructure |
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| 21:45.09 | _5618_ | bc, add chainloader +1 under each root (hdN,N entry) for ubuntu |
| 21:45.37 | bc | _5618_: will give 'er a try, thank you |
| 21:46.35 | _5618_ | jimi_hendrix, i haven't played games on it, i always play games on my windows |
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| 21:49.11 | Saar_ | how typical, I have to boot linux in order to rescue a windows vista install, knoppix in this case |
| 21:49.31 | octoserver | every time i change the source, do i have to ./configure again, or can I just make clean, make, make install right away ? |
| 21:50.02 | adama_ | or you could just boot Linux and use fdisk to "rescue" the vista partition and reclaim the wasted disk space |
| 21:50.15 | adama_ | but not Knoppix |
| 21:50.28 | Saar | i could |
| 21:50.38 | Saar | but person wanted her documents |
| 21:50.55 | Saar | which i can understand |
| 21:51.26 | adama_ | documents can be handy |
| 21:51.27 | Saar | octoserver: i think if you change source then make clean etc. suffices |
| 21:51.34 | Tramp | pull them from the backup |
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| 21:51.54 | Saar | Tramp: in an ideal world people are smart enough to back up |
| 21:51.55 | octoserver | cool, thanks |
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| 21:52.41 | Saar | octoserver: if you change sth on your system necessitating running ./configure again you either must delete the files it created, or somewthing, so it builds new ones |
| 21:52.44 | adama_ | in an ideal world everyone uses linux where backups are easy and make sense |
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| 21:52.48 | panos | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.54 | panos | sorry |
| 21:52.59 | Saar | or remove the source tree and unpack again from tarball |
| 21:53.18 | remu | Hey everyone, does anyone here have experience with running a Radeon 9200? I'm currently running Ubuntu and can not get the proper resolution when hooked up to my TV (1920x1080). I am thinking of installing debian on it, but don't want to go through the trouble if it isn't possible there either. |
| 21:53.46 | Saar | apt-get install envyng |
| 21:53.51 | remu | It is hooked up using a VGA cable by the way. |
| 21:53.58 | Saar | remu |
| 21:54.06 | remu | envyng may do it you think? |
| 21:54.27 | Saar | it will get the ati drivers and compile/install the for you |
| 21:54.34 | remu | I see. |
| 21:54.35 | Saar | them |
| 21:54.38 | Saar | but |
| 21:54.49 | Saar | you have to rerun nit when you pgrade your kernel |
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| 21:55.00 | jimi_hendrix | do i need to download and burn all 5 dvd images? |
| 21:55.08 | streuner | no |
| 21:55.17 | Saar | jimi_hendrix: no, get the netinst. CD |
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| 21:55.28 | Saar | 120 or so KB |
| 21:55.38 | Saar | or the minimal 30 MB CD |
| 21:55.41 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 21:55.41 | Saar | thats 120 MB |
| 21:55.51 | jimi_hendrix | last time i tried the install didnt go so well with that cd though |
| 21:55.53 | remu | Saar, thanks, I will try it on my Ubuntu first, and then if it doesn't work, maybe attempt to do it with Debian. Which version of Debian would you suggest? |
| 21:56.05 | jimi_hendrix | i need the iwl4965 driver for my card |
| 21:56.07 | Saar | stable |
| 21:56.08 | Saar | lenny |
| 21:56.13 | remu | Okay, will do. |
| 21:56.15 | remu | Thanks |
| 21:56.22 | Saar | but envyng or envy won't work with lenny seamlessly |
| 21:56.33 | jimi_hendrix | and basically it could not connect to the internet? |
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| 21:56.54 | Saar | envy is around for etch |
| 21:57.07 | Saar | you may be able to fool envyng to work on lenny |
| 21:57.55 | streuner | !listvals 4965 |
| 21:57.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4965' by value (1): iwlwifi. |
| 21:58.13 | streuner | jimi_hendrix: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 21:58.21 | remu | Saar, would I be okay with a LiveCD, or should I install from the netinst? |
| 21:58.42 | remu | Okay Saar, thanks for that additional info regarding envyng |
| 21:58.59 | jimi_hendrix | streuner, ok, did that |
| 21:59.24 | streuner | ok, read it all and consult wiki.debian.org too |
| 21:59.35 | jimi_hendrix | only thing i dont have an ethernet connection... |
| 21:59.54 | jimi_hendrix | so i need to either get all the dvds or get connected to wifi some how |
| 22:00.09 | streuner | read ig |
| 22:00.17 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.38 | streuner | read the section about wifi, firmware and stuff |
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| 22:01.53 | jimi_hendrix | debian does not do ext4 yet though right? |
| 22:02.00 | Saar | remu: hmm i would directly use netinst |
| 22:02.05 | Saar | i always use it |
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| 22:02.21 | streuner | !ext4 |
| 22:02.21 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 22:02.34 | Saar | it's pretty much ideal, saves the hassle of downloading large quantities of crap and burning it to cd/dvd |
| 22:02.43 | Saar | !envyng |
| 22:02.47 | jimi_hendrix | hmmm...like i have a 200 exabyte hard drive... |
| 22:02.47 | Saar | !envy |
| 22:02.47 | dpkg | it has been said that envy is <search> envy, failing that, <setup x> |
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| 22:03.37 | jimi_hendrix | streuner, i take it lenny supports ext4 then? |
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| 22:04.23 | streuner | default in stable/lenny is 2.6.26 |
| 22:05.04 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
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| 22:05.30 | alcane | got debian installed on an old ibook, displaying strangely |
| 22:05.35 | alcane | cuz it's displaying at 800x600, but it's not filling the entire screen |
| 22:05.44 | alcane | it's in the upper-left corner, with a copy beneath it |
| 22:05.48 | alcane | like a film reel |
| 22:05.59 | Saar | sounds nice :) |
| 22:06.15 | alcane | oh yea, lol |
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| 22:06.28 | alcane | tried modifying xorg.conf, but it doesn't seem to work =( |
| 22:06.34 | Saar | i reckon for ibook it uses the fbdevice no? |
| 22:06.36 | amphi | alcane: can you change the resolution to the native res. with xrandr? |
| 22:06.58 | amphi | alcane: or at least, what does xrandr think are the available resolutions? |
| 22:07.07 | jimi_hendrix | wait...i can install debian from within windows...0.0 |
| 22:07.15 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know of an option or script that will make rsync delete the files in the source which are *not* transferred - ie they already exist on the target.? |
| 22:07.20 | alcane | xrandr? |
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| 22:07.44 | jpinx-eeepc | jimi_hendrix: goodbye-windows.com (or is it org?) |
| 22:07.53 | alcane | kind of a noob here =( |
| 22:08.04 | jimi_hendrix | is scared to click that on windows |
| 22:08.15 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:08.52 | jpinx-eeepc | jimi_hendrix: it's a way to install debian from within your existing windows OS |
| 22:09.09 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 22:09.10 | alcane | amphi: will man xrandr and come back |
| 22:09.11 | jimi_hendrix | i am in |
| 22:09.18 | streuner | no worries, those people are Debian guys :-) |
| 22:09.33 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 22:09.36 | Saar | alcane: read the documentation about fbdev |
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| 22:09.52 | amphi | alcane: just run xrandr in a term |
| 22:09.57 | Saar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer |
| 22:10.29 | jimi_hendrix | uhh |
| 22:10.32 | Saar | afaik in linux anything NOT x86 will use fbdev for X |
| 22:10.43 | jimi_hendrix | is it just me or is this the same thing as booting from a live cd and installing? |
| 22:11.11 | jpinx-eeepc | jimi_hendrix: it's an OS replacement. |
| 22:11.54 | jimi_hendrix | i will just do it the old fasion way |
| 22:12.19 | jimi_hendrix | i was just looking at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 when i said the install from windows thing |
| 22:12.34 | gravity | die fbdev die |
| 22:12.43 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:12.48 | jpinx-eeepc | jimi_hendrix: ok - go for a netinstal |
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| 22:13.40 | jimi_hendrix | as in the connect to interwebs to get package install? ok, will do |
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| 22:19.46 | evilgeek | how do you renew a machine's SSL certificate? how do you even tell whether it's expired? |
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| 22:21.56 | jimi_hendrix | wow |
| 22:22.02 | jimi_hendrix | netinst disk |
| 22:22.05 | jimi_hendrix | fastest burn ever |
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| 22:28.37 | alcane | amphi: says 800x600 is max res |
| 22:30.20 | alcane | amphi: xrandr says 800x600 is max res =) |
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| 22:36.02 | amphi | alcane: what's the native resolution of the panel? |
| 22:36.17 | alcane | old ibook, guessing 1024x768 |
| 22:36.49 | alcane | i've tried xrandr -fb 1024x768, but it's giving me an options list |
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| 22:37.43 | alcane | xrandr -o [normal, 0, 1, 2, 3] doesn't work either |
| 22:37.43 | alcane | only 'normal' doesn't return an error |
| 22:37.45 | amphi | alcane: you won't be able to if xrandr doesn't show it |
| 22:37.59 | simonrvn | try reading the -h first |
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| 22:38.06 | amphi | what Xorg driver is being used? |
| 22:38.13 | alcane | how would i find that? |
| 22:38.36 | adb | why -fb ? |
| 22:38.41 | amphi | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:39.20 | alcane | adb: to set a resolution |
| 22:39.32 | alcane | adb: xrandr -fb 1024x768 |
| 22:39.48 | alcane | but that's treating it like i typed 'xrandr -h' |
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| 22:40.18 | johntramp | Hey. How can I disable the console screen blanking/screensaver in a virtual terminal? |
| 22:40.27 | johntramp | ie. not in X |
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| 22:41.14 | adb | !tell alcane about xrandr |
| 22:41.23 | alcane | amphi: Xorg 1.4.2 version 11 |
| 22:41.53 | jimi_hendrix | what file do i need for the iwl4965 wifi driver? i got a tar.gz and stuck it on a USB, but the installer did not recognize it |
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| 22:42.58 | adb | !tell jimi_hendrix about iwl4965 |
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| 22:43.58 | alcane | well, thx for the info, it's been fun, gotta go do some actual work now, lol |
| 22:43.59 | alcane | TTY! |
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| 22:45.45 | jimi_hendrix | adb, that did not help...i am trying to install debian from a netinstall...what file do i need for the driver? a .deb? what? ... i tried a .tar.gz from http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads and it did not work |
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| 22:46.00 | adb | jimi_hendrix: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:46.17 | jimi_hendrix | which i can get where |
| 22:46.56 | adb | !pdo |
| 22:46.56 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 22:48.15 | adb | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.14+lenny1_all.deb |
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| 22:51.32 | phamin | Hi I have a question geeks. |
| 22:51.39 | phamin | What configuration parameter sets the user's web directory to be public_html? |
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| 22:52.01 | simonrvn | none. it's a convention. |
| 22:52.29 | \amethyst | phamin: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.conf |
| 22:52.32 | adama_ | I think you can change it in /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf or somthing |
| 22:52.39 | simonrvn | be less vague, and you'll get a less vague answer. |
| 22:53.04 | phamin | thanks guys. |
| 22:53.10 | sprax | I have two identical servers with dual NICs and as far as I can tell they are set up exactly the same. If I let the network idle, the NIC seems to disconnect from the network. I then have to login locally to the box and ping out to the gateway. If I do that, I can then connect into the box again (ssh, ftp, whatever). My question is: is there some parameter which would cause a NIC to timeout and disconnect? The link state does not change (switch logs confirm). |
| 22:53.24 | sprax | If I run a dmesg, the driver logs that the interface has reconnected. |
| 22:53.38 | sprax | I don't even know how to start googling this |
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| 22:54.01 | Gratz474 | How can i add fonts? |
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| 22:55.02 | adb | apt-cache search xfonts |
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| 23:00.22 | jimi_hendrix | ok, i got the .deb, but it did not connect to my network |
| 23:00.54 | asulao | hello. running xen on debian lenny amd64. on dom0 free memory suddenly runs out steeply, while cache memory increases. is this normal ? only happens on dom0 |
| 23:01.00 | jimi_hendrix | i know in arch i was able to connect with iwconfig wlan0 essid $myEssid && dhcpcd wlan0 |
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| 23:01.01 | jpinx-eeepc | I want to pipe du -h --max-depth=2 ~/ through grep or something to show me all reports of anything bigger than 1GB. Anyone know how? |
| 23:01.10 | jimi_hendrix | i am also online now so... |
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| 23:01.43 | jimi_hendrix | the file i got was firmware-iwlwifi_0.14+lenny1_all.deb |
| 23:03.08 | simonrvn | jimi_hendrix: so install it. did you? |
| 23:03.28 | adb | !tell jimi_hendrix about installer firmware |
| 23:03.31 | jimi_hendrix | simonrvn, i...do...not...have...debian...installed |
| 23:03.44 | jimi_hendrix | i am trying to install debian... |
| 23:04.03 | jimi_hendrix | so all of the advice you have been throwing at me has been of little help |
| 23:04.25 | simonrvn | jimi_hendrix: i did not know. "all"? i said 2 small things. |
| 23:04.59 | jimi_hendrix | i have been hit with the !tell jimi_hendrix iwlwifi thing about 3 times |
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| 23:05.05 | jimi_hendrix | after each i restated my problem |
| 23:05.25 | jimi_hendrix | i do not have debian installed, i am trying to install it |
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| 23:05.29 | sprax | is it normal for a NIC to "timeout" and disconnect from the network? |
| 23:05.32 | Gratz474 | How can I add a a ttf file |
| 23:05.40 | adb | jimi_hendrix: debian installer will ask you about that file |
| 23:06.13 | jimi_hendrix | adb, it said insert your removable media now for iwlwifi4965.ucode ... i did and hit continue |
| 23:06.23 | jimi_hendrix | i was then prompted for the interface and the essid |
| 23:06.29 | jimi_hendrix | i provided both |
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| 23:07.48 | jimi_hendrix | so whats up |
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| 23:07.55 | adb | ok. not a wire link on that mashine ? |
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| 23:08.42 | _5618_ | ok jimi_hendrix, i just installed lenny on my laptop with ati radeon hd 3470, and xorg.conf wasn't generated sucessfully |
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| 23:08.48 | jimi_hendrix | there is, but i do not have access to a port |
| 23:08.55 | _5618_ | so x failed |
| 23:09.02 | jimi_hendrix | _5618_, so you are telling me to stop trying? |
| 23:09.29 | _5618_ | well, i am starting the "trying" part now |
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| 23:11.19 | adb | jimi_hendrix: try this http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ not sure about your AT is working |
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| 23:12.01 | adb | AP * |
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| 23:12.20 | {^KinG^} | hi all |
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| 23:14.12 | grout_ | what irc server does freenode use? |
| 23:14.58 | jimi_hendrix | grout_, ask in #freenode |
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| 23:15.31 | grout_ | thanks |
| 23:15.33 | izua | also check the connect messages, (status windows you have such a thing) |
| 23:15.41 | _5618_ | grout_, read the first lines when u signed on |
| 23:16.03 | izua | it's usually after the 'welcome' |
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| 23:19.12 | Tecna | greetings |
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| 23:19.45 | Tecna | are any of the other 845 people in here active? |
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| 23:24.05 | Bravewolf | Can you suggest to me a good file system for a usb memory stick? I would prefer a fs dedicated to this type of disk. Thank you. |
| 23:24.51 | Tecna | this is the lowest active:total user ratio IÇe ever seen in an irc channel |
| 23:25.45 | bolt | Bravewolf: I use ntfs on mine. Sure, it sucks, but at least I can stuff it in windows, linux and osx, and they all read it |
| 23:25.50 | dkr | Tecna: or it's the highest ratio of users that don't answer pointless questions. Do you have a debian issue we can help with? |
| 23:26.31 | bolt | Bravewolf: afaik there's no ad-hoc filesystem for usb sticks |
| 23:26.33 | worr | Tecna: lrn2irc |
| 23:26.53 | Bravewolf | bolt: mmm... I would prefer to avoid patented file systems.... |
| 23:27.14 | Bravewolf | bolt: ok, so the last chance is always fat.... |
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| 23:27.39 | bolt | Bravewolf: sucks if you ever want a >4gb file |
| 23:27.41 | worr | Bravewolf: I use ext2 if it's strictly for linux systems |
| 23:27.51 | Gratz474 | How can i instal and use ttf fonts |
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| 23:27.52 | Gratz474 | ? |
| 23:27.52 | worr | you don't need journaling on a usbh stick |
| 23:28.01 | adb | Bravewolf: I use ext3 on mine |
| 23:28.02 | worr | *usb |
| 23:28.45 | bolt | or is it 2gb, actually? |
| 23:28.59 | adb | Gratz474: apt-cache search ttf fonts |
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| 23:29.04 | keglevich | I have a specific problem....I have a HP server where ILO service is running on a known port 2301/tcp. The problem is that I don't know the IP address which is set on that interface. I can plug in UTP cable to that server on one side and directly to my laptop/pc on anothe side...how can I dteremine/find the unknown IP address of that server's interface? |
| 23:29.06 | worr | Bravewolf: ext2 would be way faster than ext3 for writes and such |
| 23:29.20 | Gratz474 | adb, i have a few fonts i downloaded that I would like to use |
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| 23:30.35 | Bravewolf | worr: ok, thank you. |
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| 23:30.56 | Tramp | keglevich: run tcpdump on the interface. Sooner or later the server will say something |
| 23:31.28 | simonrvn | keglevich: netstat -pluant will tell you if it's local.. |
| 23:31.41 | worr | Bravewolf: also, you cang et ext2 for windows |
| 23:31.43 | simonrvn | er, insert a commaa in there |
| 23:31.46 | worr | *can get |
| 23:31.53 | simonrvn | a* |
| 23:32.00 | keglevich | tcpdump i can run only local... |
| 23:32.06 | keglevich | netstat i will try |
| 23:32.06 | worr | Bravewolf: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 23:32.17 | Tramp | why would netstat help? |
| 23:32.32 | Tramp | I think you cannot acces the server? |
| 23:32.36 | Bravewolf | yes, I know it. I've tried also ext2fsd (open source) |
| 23:32.54 | keglevich | no i can't |
| 23:33.06 | keglevich | also i don't know what would tcpdump help |
| 23:33.15 | worr | Bravewolf: awesome, I quit Windows a yearish ago, but that's what I used back in the day |
| 23:33.25 | keglevich | as tcpdump monitors only local tcp packets |
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| 23:33.29 | Tramp | keglevich: because you would see the packet from the server as soon as he says something |
| 23:33.55 | Tramp | keglevich: it monitors, whatever is seen on the wire. |
| 23:34.01 | keglevich | you maybe know a correct syntax i should use with tcpdump |
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| 23:34.36 | keglevich | because a simple "tcpdump" monitors too much |
| 23:35.16 | Tramp | I thought you were directly connected to that server? tcpdump -i <interface which is directly connected to the server> |
| 23:35.26 | keglevich | ok great |
| 23:35.30 | keglevich | i will try this |
| 23:35.33 | keglevich | thanks a lot |
| 23:35.52 | Tramp | you probably have to bring this interface "up" with a random IP (well, just use an IP from a net you're not using on other interfaces) |
| 23:36.42 | Tramp | ah, and use "-ni", so it will not try to look up the IP |
| 23:36.52 | keglevich | yes...i have my laptop where i can setup a static IP (for instance 192.168.0.10) |
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| 23:37.09 | nikkr | hi all |
| 23:37.20 | keglevich | and i can plug one side of utp cable in my laptop and other side directly to server |
| 23:37.35 | keglevich | i can reset server and hope that he says something |
| 23:37.48 | keglevich | when i find out IP then i can connect and set it up |
| 23:37.58 | Tramp | keglevich: if you reset it, it will certainly say someting. |
| 23:38.17 | keglevich | ok i'll try |
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| 23:39.46 | keglevich | and tcpdump actually shows something even if those ip addresses are not in the same class, same network, same mask, same gateway...everything different? |
| 23:39.55 | nikkr | I have a question for computer performance |
| 23:39.56 | Tramp | yes |
| 23:40.01 | nikkr | i am ordering a new computer, 800mhz front bus with memory 2gb |
| 23:40.27 | nikkr | what is the diffence two dims or one dim? one dim or two dims are 2gb |
| 23:40.59 | Tramp | nikkr: you may want to ask ##hardware, I guess |
| 23:41.06 | amphi | some boards can double the transfer rate with two dimms, I believe |
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| 23:45.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm trying to reduce the size of my installed OS and I'd like to put either esmtp or ssmtp in as mini-MTA's but I need a mini-MDA as well. Everything I find wants to drag in huge depends - any ideas anyone? |
| 23:47.49 | jpinx-eeepc | it only has to accept mail which will read at the commandline using cat or similar. |
| 23:48.02 | adb | ssmtp installed on only ~50 KB |
| 23:49.02 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - tiny - but the MDA has me stumped |
| 23:49.03 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: do you actually need to deliver mail on that machine? or do you just need to send mail addressed to users on that machine to some central adress? |
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| 23:49.43 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: for most cases, nullmailer is good enough |
| 23:49.55 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: it's an http server that uses the php mail command, plus the usual local mails to logged in users |
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| 23:50.11 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: do logged in users really need to receive mail? |
| 23:50.13 | jpinx-eeepc | I've looked at nullmailer, but I was hoping to get smaller |
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| 23:50.41 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: uh... nullmailer is all of 100K |
| 23:50.48 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: actually no - only system/error mails need to go to root/me |
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| 23:51.10 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: then nullmailer will do all of that for you |
| 23:51.17 | jpinx-eeepc | and nullmailer is an MTA - not afaikt an MDA |
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| 23:51.21 | gmap | hey Im trying the run a debian live img on virtualbox and cant get the network to work: http://i41.tinypic.com/10nvoro.png |
| 23:51.28 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: it's enough of an MDA for what you want too. |
| 23:51.51 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: ok - I'll read more details - thanks for the insight |
| 23:51.54 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: it knows how to handle mails sent to the local machine and forward them to a single address. |
| 23:52.04 | jpinx-eeepc | I keep getting distraced by other offers;) |
| 23:52.10 | dondelelcaro | (which is almost always what you want, anyway) |
| 23:52.11 | jpinx-eeepc | *distracted |
| 23:53.06 | jpinx-eeepc | the php mail function needs to connect to an MTA which will send mail to any public or local email address |
| 23:53.31 | FlyingFoX | if i create a user i can give him the attribute "disabled-password" to make login only possible through ssh-key authentication. how do i sett this attribute again after the user is already created? |
| 23:55.52 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: it just needs /usr/lib/sendmail |
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| 23:56.04 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: it doesn't connect directly to an MTA. |
| 23:56.40 | dondelelcaro | FlyingFoX: passwd, read about -l |
| 23:56.47 | dondelelcaro | s/passwd/man passwd/ |
| 23:57.22 | FlyingFoX | thx. thats what i searched for. |
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| 23:58.08 | jpinx-eeepc | dondelelcaro: take a look at ssmtp |
| 23:58.29 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: what abou tit? |
| 23:58.38 | jpinx-eeepc | it's miniscule, but I need an MDA |
| 23:58.51 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: so use nullmailer instead. |
| 23:59.04 | dondelelcaro | nullmailer is double the size of ssmtp, so I don't see what the problem is |
| 23:59.08 | jpinx-eeepc | or can I get the system to send it's mails through ssmtp to an external MTA |
| 23:59.28 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: that's all that ssmtp *does*. the external MTA has to know how to deal with them. |
| 23:59.32 | jpinx-eeepc | size - I have an eeepc with only 4Gbs in total |
