| 00:00.10 | abrotman | it's not my fault he has to quit to change channels |
| 00:00.10 | Knorrie | is using lenny-xen-2.6.26 big time |
| 00:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never said so |
| 00:00.26 | Knorrie | as dom0 and domU |
| 00:00.26 | beardy | d-b: I run a -xen kernel on an amd64 guest, runs fine. |
| 00:00.32 | Knorrie | amd64 |
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| 00:01.47 | d-b | beardy: did you use the di ? |
| 00:02.18 | d-b | some one had better fix the wiki who actually knows about this then... |
| 00:02.37 | d-b | i'll add a note tho. |
| 00:02.55 | Knorrie | does not use di to setup domU, im using cdebootstrap |
| 00:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a nice irc client, though |
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| 00:03.51 | d-b | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah chat while you debootstrap ^^ |
| 00:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... to induce pity in your fellow human beings |
| 00:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why he had to leave with a threat, tho |
| 00:06.40 | Knorrie | CutMeOwnThroat: your nick sounds aweful |
| 00:06.58 | Knorrie | suicidal? |
| 00:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Knorrie -about dibbler |
| 00:07.18 | Knorrie | has msg |
| 00:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | congratulates Knorrie to his brand new msg |
| 00:07.52 | Knorrie | :) |
| 00:08.17 | micols | debootstrap is a nice tool. |
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| 00:08.44 | beardy | d-b: No, I installed the kernel afterwards. It was installed with debootstrap and afaik an upstream xen kernel, at the time. |
| 00:09.24 | Knorrie | whee "The Dibbler was believed to have become extinct until it was rediscovered in 1967 at Cheyne Beach on the south coast of Western Australia after a gap of 80 years. It remains an endangered species." |
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| 00:11.11 | internat1 | anyone know where i can find the checksums for the netinst disk? |
| 00:11.30 | azeem | internat1: where you downloaded the netinst as well |
| 00:11.40 | internat1 | thats what i thought but i cant find it there |
| 00:11.44 | beardy | internat1: Same place where the image is, add .md5sum to the filename if it's "hidden", as in not displayed on the site. |
| 00:11.45 | azeem | every FTP directory has a file with the md5sums I think |
| 00:11.52 | azeem | internat1: where are you looking? |
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| 00:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Knorrie, saussageinnabun? |
| 00:12.25 | internat1 | oh its not linked on the webpage.. its in the mirror itself as another file.. hmms |
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| 00:12.55 | beardy | Yes.. I noticed that too when I looked actually, but never reported it.. |
| 00:13.04 | beardy | I recalled now when you said that. |
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| 00:14.13 | beardy | internat1: But they're there as said yes. One .md5sum file containing the checksum for each one. |
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| 00:16.40 | Knorrie | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
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| 00:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | guesses the ) is the sausage and the : is mustard |
| 00:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | (:|) |
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| 00:19.28 | dusted | sausage... |
| 00:19.51 | Knorrie | does not want mustard, better (|) only sausage in bread |
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| 00:20.08 | dusted | it's garbage meat stuffed into the guts of the animal it came from.. yaya, let's eat it... :s |
| 00:20.18 | Knorrie | yah |
| 00:20.23 | sshc | hi, my computer freezes whenever I run "links2 -g &" in a tty. |
| 00:20.27 | sshc | the keyboard becomes unresponsive (I can't toglle numlock, for exapmle). but I can ssh into it so it's not really completely frozen |
| 00:20.57 | Zharf | o.O |
| 00:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dusted, my, that little bugger was in for a surprise... would've never thought to end up in its own gut :) |
| 00:21.09 | Zharf | sshc, intel gfx? |
| 00:21.42 | Knorrie | nn |
| 00:21.56 | dusted | CutMeOwnThroat, that's true.. I used to fukken LOVE sausage.. but these days they just don't taste as good... :) |
| 00:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm really vegetarian, but gotta stay in character... *points at nick* |
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| 00:22.57 | amphi | sshc: talk to enouf |
| 00:22.57 | jelly-home | you could be a carrot. |
| 00:22.58 | Knorrie | your nick is just suicidal |
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| 00:23.16 | dusted | CutMeOwnThroat, so... why are you against eating animals? |
| 00:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's offtopic |
| 00:23.49 | dusted | oh, never realized this is a topic-only chan |
| 00:23.50 | dusted | sry |
| 00:23.55 | jelly-home | dusted: best discussed in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and the topic-police is never far :-P |
| 00:24.54 | dusted | sry,I'm drunk, I should have kicked myself offile long ago :D |
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| 00:26.38 | Knorrie | zzzz |
| 00:26.42 | JymmmEMC | Hey folks, how's debian 5.xx (compared to 4.xx)? |
| 00:26.42 | Knorrie | nn |
| 00:26.50 | Knorrie | ow wait |
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| 00:27.10 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: it's great |
| 00:27.25 | jelly-home | JymmmEMC: it's about 1 more. |
| 00:27.25 | Knorrie | it just works |
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| 00:27.39 | JymmmEMC | What issues doe sit have? |
| 00:27.45 | Knorrie | sit? |
| 00:27.59 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the default mail package with lenny? |
| 00:28.00 | JymmmEMC | Knorrie: You don't speak typo? |
| 00:28.08 | Knorrie | heh |
| 00:28.21 | JymmmEMC | What issues does it have? |
| 00:28.44 | Knorrie | sid always has issues, it's supposed to habe |
| 00:28.46 | Knorrie | v |
| 00:28.54 | dondelelcaro | JymmmEMC: you can check the bts for yourself if you want to know specifics |
| 00:29.09 | JymmmEMC | dondelelcaro: url would be appreciated |
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| 00:30.11 | sshc | Zharf, no, ati |
| 00:30.27 | JymmmEMC | I'm basically asking if it's ready to upgrade the production boxes |
| 00:30.28 | sshc | 9500x, I think |
| 00:30.38 | sshc | amphi, who is enouf? |
| 00:30.56 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: never run production on sid |
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| 00:31.15 | dondelelcaro | JymmmEMC: you can upgrade production machines to lenny, yes, though you really should be testing them using a staging area first |
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| 00:32.06 | Knorrie | dondelelcaro: huh? testing > lenny now |
| 00:32.16 | Knorrie | oh testing them |
| 00:32.22 | Knorrie | sorry |
| 00:32.25 | jaggy- | if I use gpg on one system to secure a file, just for personal use (not to send to anyone else), and I want to access it on another system, what do I do? duplicate the private key file over yonder? |
| 00:32.42 | dondelelcaro | Knorrie: we're talking about releases, not un-released suites like testing or unstable |
| 00:32.48 | JymmmEMC | dondelelcaro: Sure, just wondering if I should bother getting my feet wet "JUST YET" or wait a lil bit is all. |
| 00:32.49 | thirdwheel__ | jaggy-, public key, not private |
| 00:33.08 | thirdwheel__ | jaggy-, private key encrypts then public key decrypts |
| 00:33.16 | jaggy- | the public key would be for encrypting.. but I want to decrypt on both systems -- to access the data. |
| 00:33.18 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: lenny is stable |
| 00:33.20 | Wyzard | thirdwheel__: That's signing, not encryption |
| 00:33.29 | thirdwheel__ | Wyzard, i stand corrected |
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| 00:33.30 | dondelelcaro | JymmmEMC: Debian's stable releases don't change much after release, so you might as well start now. |
| 00:33.31 | Knorrie | dondelelcaro: sorry i misunderstood |
| 00:33.32 | jaggy- | hmm.. |
| 00:33.50 | Wyzard | jaggy-: You can encrypt a file with two (or more) public keys, so that it can be decrypted by either corresponding private key |
| 00:34.01 | dondelelcaro | JymmmEMC: in the future, you probably should be tracking testing with some of your staging area machines so you can report bugs that affect you too |
| 00:34.22 | JymmmEMC | dondelelcaro: No PRNG issues? <ducks> |
| 00:34.29 | amphi | sshc: who indeed? |
| 00:34.41 | jaggy- | how's that work? that's really interesting |
| 00:34.53 | amphi | sshc: he uses links2 -g and seems knowledgable about it |
| 00:35.01 | Wyzard | jaggy-: but if you ever use gpg for securing communications with others, you probably want to have a single keypair representing your identity, not different ones for each computer |
| 00:35.07 | JymmmEMC | dondelelcaro: Actually want to toss on vmserver2 under deb5, but I need to rebuild the boxes from scratch if I'm to go that route. |
| 00:35.15 | jaggy- | ahh.. that's it. thanks. |
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| 00:35.40 | Knorrie | vmwhat? |
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| 00:35.54 | jaggy- | I wasn't sure how that part worked.. so I *would* actually duplicate the private key (and public too) onto each of my own computers |
| 00:36.01 | JymmmEMC | dondelelcaro: blood now, beverages with umbrellas later =) |
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| 00:36.29 | Wyzard | jaggy-: only computers that you trust, but yes |
| 00:36.35 | Knorrie | keys are supossed to be bound to a user, not a machine |
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| 00:37.18 | JymmmEMC | Knorrie: VMWare Server version 2.0.3, or instead of typing that all out and not to confuse it with other VMWare Incorporated products... VMServer2 |
| 00:37.30 | Knorrie | ah |
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| 00:38.44 | Knorrie | (/me does not use vmware) so you have to use something like debian installer to generate a machine instance? |
| 00:38.53 | freaky_t | in what file can I put some iptable commands to be executed after startup? |
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| 00:39.06 | JymmmEMC | I do have a question though... what is the difference between the AMD64 and the intel IA_86 other than both being 64bit? |
| 00:39.25 | JymmmEMC | Knorrie: No, just manual install. |
| 00:39.26 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: it's the same |
| 00:39.48 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: only the itanium-whatever is different |
| 00:39.55 | JymmmEMC | Knorrie: literally? as in same MD5 ? |
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| 00:40.57 | jaggy- | Wyzard, thanks. Are you familiar with the algorithms to understand how the multiple-public-key-encryption actually works? |
| 00:41.20 | `brandon` | i am installing debian and everytime i get to the part something about partision disks it freezes up on me |
| 00:41.21 | jaggy- | doesn't sha1 have less collisions than md5? |
| 00:41.34 | Wyzard | jaggy-: The message actually encrypted with a random symmetric key called a "session key" |
| 00:41.39 | JymmmEMC | jaggy-: theretically |
| 00:41.49 | Wyzard | jaggy-: and the session key (which is much smaller) is encrypted with the recipient's public key |
| 00:41.49 | jaggy- | I remember Mr. Torvalds mentioning the use of sha1 in a GIT presentation |
| 00:41.55 | JymmmEMC | jaggy-: theoretically, yes. |
| 00:42.12 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: does md5 algorithm depend on arhitecure? |
| 00:42.18 | JymmmEMC | SHA-1 is depreciated too |
| 00:42.21 | jaggy- | Wyzard, got it.. I was wondering if there was redundancy -- they just repeat the session key.. nice. Thanks :) |
| 00:42.23 | JymmmEMC | Knorrie: No, |
| 00:42.23 | Wyzard | jaggy-: To encrypt to multiple recipients, gpg just encrypts several copies of the session key, one with each recipient's public key |
| 00:42.28 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: so |
| 00:42.32 | jaggy- | how is it theoretical? |
| 00:42.39 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the default MTA in lenny? |
| 00:42.54 | jaggy- | I think it's postfix, jpinx |
| 00:42.54 | JymmmEMC | jaggy-: due to the algo that SHA-1 uses it would/should has less collisions. |
| 00:43.11 | jpinx-eeepc | jaggy-: tks |
| 00:43.12 | Wyzard | jaggy-: That's a side benefit; the main reason for doing that is because public-key ciphers are much slower than symmetric ciphers, so encrypting the whole message with a public key could be a performance problem |
| 00:43.12 | jaggy- | since I don't believe I picked one, and that's what's running on my new install |
| 00:43.13 | Knorrie | jpinx-eeepc: i guess still exim, but you'll soon find out by installing debian |
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| 00:43.16 | jaggy- | oh |
| 00:43.39 | sshc | enouf, can you help me with a problem? my computer freezes whenever I run "links2 -g &" (in the background) in a tty |
| 00:43.44 | jaggy- | well which is it? :) |
| 00:43.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Knorrie: I have lennny installed, but I can't find the MTA |
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| 00:43.54 | JymmmEMC | sshc: Then DONT DO THAT =) |
| 00:43.59 | jpinx-eeepc | it's not postfix |
| 00:44.11 | Knorrie | jpinx-eeepc: netstat -an | grep 25 |
| 00:44.42 | jaggy- | Wyzard, it's beautiful isn't it |
| 00:45.07 | Knorrie | or just try aptitude install postfix, and look it there s something other that gets removed |
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| 00:45.46 | jpinx-eeepc | knorrie - orbit? |
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| 00:46.14 | jaggy- | jpinx, sorry |
| 00:46.22 | xororand | is it possible to run a debian lenny 32-bit xen kernel with a 64-bit hypervisor? |
| 00:46.31 | jpinx-eeepc | not exim and not postfix - what is it? |
| 00:46.31 | `brandon` | Hello, i am installing debian and everytime i get to the part something about partision disks it freezes up on me, Why do i keep getting that error? |
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| 00:46.56 | jpinx-eeepc | netstat shows me nothing on port 25 |
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| 00:47.22 | JymmmEMC | telnet localhost 25 |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: fuser -n tcp 25 |
| 00:48.07 | pickcoder | the default MTA used to be exim4 |
| 00:48.09 | JymmmEMC | jpinx-eeepc: telnet localhost 25 |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: fuser -n tcp 25 |
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| 00:48.43 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman - no output |
| 00:48.49 | Wyzard | xororand: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2005-11/msg00609.html says no |
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| 00:48.54 | jpinx-eeepc | JymmmEMC: no telnet |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: nothing there! |
| 00:49.07 | jpinx-eeepc | nothing |
| 00:49.18 | JymmmEMC | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get install telnet |
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| 00:49.36 | jpinx-eeepc | JymmmEMC: telnet is not what I want - I want an MTA |
| 00:49.38 | xororand | thanks, Wyzard |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: so install one |
| 00:50.20 | jpinx-eeepc | so what's all the grief about debian "needing" an MTA ? |
| 00:50.31 | pickcoder | s/debian/linux |
| 00:50.45 | JymmmEMC | to deliver error messages, log, status, etc |
| 00:50.49 | pickcoder | just install a null mailer |
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| 00:51.09 | pipeline | iirc exim just delivers locally by default |
| 00:51.09 | jpinx-eeepc | and lenny does not have an MTA in it's base install |
| 00:51.23 | jpinx-eeepc | pipeline: no exim |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i believe it does .. it just defaults to local only |
| 00:51.54 | jpinx-eeepc | exim is not installed |
| 00:51.57 | pipeline | configuring exim is kind of a pain but fortunately it does the basics out of the box with no fooling around |
| 00:52.01 | linkd | fights [Gandhi] quietly in the corner |
| 00:52.02 | pipeline | jpinx-eeepc: then install it, problem solved |
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| 00:52.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I am asking what MTA is default in lenny and is an MTA essential for debian |
| 00:52.50 | gravity | exim and yes |
| 00:52.57 | pipeline | jpinx-eeepc: no, you don't need an MTA. |
| 00:53.12 | gravity | Although said MTA can be as simple as nullmailer |
| 00:53.13 | JymmmEMC | maybe you need an MTA |
| 00:53.13 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity: exim is not installed by default - I have not got it |
| 00:53.24 | JymmmEMC | Now, you have ALL the answers!!!! |
| 00:53.25 | Stanlin | yellow |
| 00:53.29 | Knorrie | :) |
| 00:53.30 | Stanlin | hello camerades |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i did an install yesterday .. only with Standard .. and it was there |
| 00:53.50 | Knorrie | jpinx-eeepc: you can install any mta you want |
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| 00:54.15 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: You don't have exim4 installed? |
| 00:54.30 | gravity | It's priority: standard |
| 00:54.33 | plugwash | do people really still install standard?! |
| 00:54.37 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: what specific package got installed with lenny base system? |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i don't have the system here .. |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | plugwash: as opposed to? |
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| 00:55.07 | jpinx-eeepc | exim is not a package |
| 00:55.08 | Stanlin | abrotman: using Windows? |
| 00:55.12 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: exim4 |
| 00:55.18 | Knorrie | heh |
| 00:55.23 | nsadmin | is gcc & emacs still priority: standard? |
| 00:55.23 | gravity | exim is a virtual package apparently |
| 00:55.25 | plugwash | abrotman, just installing base, not installing standard |
| 00:55.30 | gravity | nsadmin: Neither ever was |
| 00:55.36 | jpinx-eeepc | exim4 is the package and it is not installed |
| 00:55.37 | plugwash | jpinx-eeepc, there is no mta in the base-system, exim4 is in the standard system |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | plugwash: oh .. i still skip tasksel .. but aptitude install "~pstandard" |
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| 00:55.51 | nsadmin | pretty sure they were |
| 00:56.08 | `brandon` | Well i have the Debian Installer on my Computer but how do i get rid of it? |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | plugwash: i've found over the years, when you skip it, you end up with too many missing bits that you'll need at some point |
| 00:56.23 | Knorrie | skips tasksel alhthough |
| 00:56.26 | nsadmin | `brandon`: remove the cd? |
| 00:56.31 | jpinx-eeepc | fwiw - there is *no* MTA in the base install and the system runs fine |
| 00:56.32 | pickcoder | jpinx-eeepc: if you have no cron jobs or applications that submit mail then you don't need an MTA |
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| 00:56.42 | pickcoder | it's a bad idea to not install one though |
| 00:56.45 | jpinx-eeepc | installs postfix |
| 00:56.56 | Knorrie | o/ |
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| 00:57.16 | pickcoder | ponders web log metrics |
| 00:57.22 | `brandon` | nsadmin: well i got it from the windows installer and i am having trubble with installing it, so i just want to remove the Debian Install |
| 00:57.29 | freaky_t | hi all. how can I automatically put some iptable commands at startup? because those are needed for some network statistics ... ? |
| 00:57.51 | pickcoder | freaky_t: bring them up when the interface comes up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:57.57 | gravity | Hrm, there must be some way to see what provides a virtual package on one's system without using grep-dctrl |
| 00:58.10 | gravity | You can see what's providing mail-transport-agent then |
| 00:58.19 | Knorrie | freaky_t: there's no default iptables start/stop in debian |
| 00:58.19 | freaky_t | pickcoder how to? just put the iptable commands at the end of the file? |
| 00:58.33 | nsadmin | `brandon` : remove how it booted and then remove the partitions I guess |
| 00:59.09 | `brandon` | nsadmin: um i don't know how to do that |
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| 00:59.11 | plugwash | abrotman, i'd probablly install it for a shellserver or so but for boxes with only a couple of users all of which have access to root I don't see a huge need. I just install stuff as and when I need it |
| 00:59.12 | gravity | aptitude in interactive mode lets you do it pretty easily |
| 00:59.12 | nsadmin | I have no idea where you installed it to, and also no idea how you installed the boot loader or which one you installed |
| 00:59.16 | pickcoder | post-up <iptables command> |
| 00:59.27 | pickcoder | pre-down <commands> |
| 00:59.48 | Knorrie | freaky_t: either use a /etc/init.d/firewall and add it with update-rc.d or put a iptables-restore<blah into /etc/networ/interfaces with pre-up |
| 00:59.53 | pickcoder | or you can just call a script name there and put all of your iptables in there |
| 01:00.04 | plugwash | having said that installing some form of mta is a good idea because if you don't you may get one pulled in by dependencies and it may well not be the one you want |
| 01:00.11 | abrotman | plugwash: it was a VCS system |
| 01:00.24 | `brandon` | well i guess i will need to wipe my OS again to remove it |
| 01:01.18 | nsadmin | does it boot at all? |
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| 01:01.38 | `brandon` | nsadmin: yes but when i get to the install screen it freezes |
| 01:01.57 | `brandon` | nsadmin: [5:41] <`brandon`> i am installing debian and everytime i get to the part something about partision disks it freezes up on me |
| 01:02.16 | nsadmin | I don't think you installed anything yet |
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| 01:02.31 | `brandon` | yes |
| 01:02.44 | `brandon` | when i reboot it says Debain Installer |
| 01:02.45 | nsadmin | do you agree? |
| 01:03.19 | nsadmin | is there a cd in the drive? |
| 01:03.19 | `brandon` | and i try to install it and when i get to this one part it freezes up on me |
| 01:03.28 | pickcoder | `brandon`: check support for your disk controller |
| 01:03.34 | pickcoder | sounds like it can't find disks |
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| 01:03.52 | Knorrie | on bare metal? |
| 01:03.57 | Knorrie | sata? |
| 01:04.12 | freaky_t | ok thank you all ill try it now |
| 01:04.15 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with this windows installer either... it's not just a cd? |
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| 01:05.13 | JymmmEMC | `brandon`: IDE or SATA? |
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| 01:05.26 | `brandon` | well when i use the windows installer it tells me Unable to find "system partition", assuming it is the same as the "boot partition" (C:). |
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| 01:05.55 | simNIX | windows ? aint ya in a Linux chan ? |
| 01:05.58 | JymmmEMC | `brandon`: IDE or SATA? |
| 01:05.59 | nsadmin | what kind of disk controller do you yave? |
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| 01:06.31 | `brandon` | i don't have any blank disk's so i am using the .exe version to install it |
| 01:06.47 | JymmmEMC | `brandon`: What hdd's do you have... IDE or STAT? |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | he's using the one from goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:06.57 | nsadmin | simNIX: nope :) ##linux is downstairs, to your right, upstairs, to your left, and into the bathroom! |
| 01:06.57 | `brandon` | JymmmEMC: idfk |
| 01:06.58 | simNIX | ok |
| 01:07.06 | simNIX | :o) |
| 01:07.33 | JymmmEMC | `brandon`: Then open the computer and look |
| 01:07.50 | `brandon` | its on the same computer i am using right no |
| 01:07.51 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:07.52 | `brandon` | now* |
| 01:07.57 | JymmmEMC | `brandon`: So? |
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| 01:08.09 | Knorrie | open the computer and look? :| |
| 01:08.14 | Knorrie | dust.... |
| 01:08.20 | JymmmEMC | termites |
| 01:08.22 | nsadmin | you'll have to shut down and open it to be safest |
| 01:08.32 | `brandon` | well i am on Windows right now |
| 01:08.41 | JymmmEMC | I'm telling him to LOOK, no stick his hand in it. |
| 01:08.43 | `brandon` | but this is the only way i can get help |
| 01:08.44 | JymmmEMC | not |
| 01:08.48 | `brandon` | as of right now |
| 01:09.13 | nsadmin | couldn't he look in the device manager panel? |
| 01:09.17 | pickcoder | `brandon`: so look in device manager |
| 01:09.22 | plugwash | would generally just open a PC without shutting it down if he just wanter to look |
| 01:09.22 | pickcoder | if it says SCSI it's probably SAA |
| 01:09.26 | pickcoder | ~SATA |
| 01:09.26 | apt | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. If that seems too much trouble, it's the price of using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.") |
| 01:09.32 | JymmmEMC | nsadmin: He could, but that wouldn't answer my next question =) |
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| 01:09.39 | Knorrie | 2.4? |
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| 01:09.57 | plugwash | pickcoder, that apt factoid you just called up looks horriblly outdated to me |
| 01:09.57 | `brandon` | i beleve it is SATA |
| 01:10.01 | nsadmin | how many red rocks are there in the month of mars? |
| 01:10.08 | JymmmEMC | nsadmin: 9 |
| 01:10.12 | pickcoder | I didn't call up a factoid |
| 01:10.19 | JymmmEMC | nsadmin: I counteed them in binary |
| 01:10.33 | pickcoder | not on purpose anyway |
| 01:10.35 | nsadmin | 1? |
| 01:10.39 | plugwash | pickcoder, you did (though it looks like it may have been unintentional) |
| 01:10.47 | pickcoder | ~bla |
| 01:10.47 | apt | foo |
| 01:10.50 | pickcoder | grr |
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| 01:10.53 | Knorrie | JymmmEMC: 9 is not binary |
| 01:11.01 | Knorrie | ~foo |
| 01:11.01 | apt | rumour has it, foo is bar |
| 01:11.03 | JymmmEMC | Knorrie: It is on Mars |
| 01:11.03 | pickcoder | ...~<something> means replace what I just said with ~<something else> |
| 01:11.06 | Knorrie | o/ |
| 01:11.23 | JymmmEMC | Stupid Hu-Mon |
| 01:11.39 | Knorrie | ~bar |
| 01:11.39 | apt | it has been said that bar is baz or a friend of foo |
| 01:11.40 | nsadmin | /o |
| 01:11.48 | JymmmEMC | ~life |
| 01:11.48 | apt | i heard life is a board game |
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| 01:11.50 | Knorrie | heh apt knows baz |
| 01:11.51 | JymmmEMC | doh |
| 01:12.19 | JymmmEMC | ~<life> 42 |
| 01:12.25 | JymmmEMC | ~life |
| 01:12.25 | apt | rumour has it, life is a board game |
| 01:12.30 | JymmmEMC | oh well |
| 01:12.36 | Knorrie | ok we're off-topic now |
| 01:12.49 | Knorrie | botspoiling |
| 01:13.35 | JymmmEMC | I TOLD him to keep his hands out of the computer. |
| 01:13.36 | nsadmin | spoil the bot, feed the automata |
| 01:14.22 | Knorrie | can't resist.. |
| 01:14.25 | Knorrie | ~baz |
| 01:14.25 | apt | it has been said that baz is a GNU Arch compatible RCS/SCM/VCS. |
| 01:14.31 | Knorrie | nice |
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| 01:22.22 | Stanlin | hail!! |
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| 01:33.26 | pav5088 | Hello all... I'm looking for any sysadmin types interested in managing stuff via LDAP (controlled through the GOsa GUI). I've done a lot of documentation, but wow... is it a task... I could really use some help if that kind of thing floats your boat. |
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| 01:35.03 | pav5088 | I have all the basic stuff documented already (ie. getting GOsa + OpenLDAP working, and plugging services into it such as Samba, Groupware (ie. SOGo + Cyrus + Postfix), DNS, DHCP, Linux accounts that live in LDAP (ie. Posix) |
| 01:35.14 | pav5088 | http://wfstt.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wfstt/trunk/ |
| 01:35.24 | jetscreamer | ok new2me box. sound isn't working. sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does not make noise. lspci|grep Audio: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW. i'm in the audio group. snd_* is loaded. even snd_hda_realtek ... and i don't have a realtek according to lspci. cept a nic. |
| 01:35.41 | jetscreamer | what's next |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | make sure the levels are up |
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| 01:36.19 | jetscreamer | according to kmix they are |
| 01:36.25 | jetscreamer | and unmuted |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | and the pcm is? |
| 01:36.28 | pav5088 | There's more interesting stuff to do ie. FAI (fully automatic installer), OPSI (winxp etc... automatic install, inventory and app deploy), Asterisk VoIP etc... |
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| 01:36.30 | jetscreamer | yep |
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| 01:37.07 | jetscreamer | interesting though: pcm is the only one that does not have a mute button |
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| 01:38.30 | jetscreamer | i did the alsa-checklist stuff |
| 01:38.42 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
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| 01:46.22 | joel_ | anyone know if rox-filer people have IRC channel? |
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| 01:50.11 | abrotman | Joelito: http://roscidus.com/desktop/chat |
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| 01:50.48 | Joelito | abrotman: yep, thanks...btw..nice to see you here, you always been nice to anwser my questions. =) |
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| 01:50.55 | abrotman | i'm sorry |
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| 01:51.22 | qiyong | my ssh key doesn't work to a server, it prompts me password? what could go wrong? |
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| 01:52.04 | JymmmEMC | Joos bin root3d - mens in da middles attacks! |
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| 01:53.00 | pyrohotdog | My application menu doesn't show anything when I click on it...and alacarte won't launch. |
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| 01:55.41 | unomi | erm, where is xorg.conf getting resolution info from? |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | it guesses |
| 01:55.55 | unomi | I would like to change what it uses |
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| 01:55.57 | abrotman | well . not quite guesses |
| 01:56.10 | dondelelcaro | unomi: the default one doesn't have it; the monitor informs Xorg what resolutions it supports, and it chooses the biggest one |
| 01:56.12 | unomi | well, it seems like it has set a smaller resolution than is ideal |
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| 01:56.32 | dondelelcaro | unomi: in such a case, see the output of xrandr; and choose an ideal resolution |
| 01:56.35 | unomi | lxrandr lets me choose higher and functional resolutions |
| 01:56.45 | unomi | but where to set it? |
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| 01:57.05 | dondelelcaro | unomi: you can either run xrandr in your .xsesion or similar, or you can encode it into the xorg.conf or similar |
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| 01:57.20 | anoHito | i have ran /etc/init.d/httpd stop |
| 01:57.24 | anoHito | then killall httpd |
| 01:57.29 | anoHito | says no process is killed |
| 01:57.31 | unomi | ok, because /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:57.40 | unomi | is nothing but a shell |
| 01:57.46 | anoHito | but i cannot restart httpd says unable to listen to port 80 address is already in use. |
| 01:57.56 | anoHito | netstat -anp | grep :80 | grep ESTABLISHED | sort |
| 01:58.09 | anoHito | there are sill some connections established, how come ? |
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| 02:00.25 | unomi1 | reconf did the trick |
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| 02:01.12 | unomi2 | actually, no it didnt :| |
| 02:01.22 | unomi2 | I had set xrandr in .xinitrc |
| 02:01.58 | unomi2 | but conky would still use the old res and not be all the way on the side |
| 02:02.26 | unomi2 | .xinitrc fires before .xsessionrc ? |
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| 02:05.34 | SDragon | hey |
| 02:05.49 | SDragon | how can I rediscover the list of connected devices to the system? |
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| 02:12.10 | anoHito | i am not sure if i am having some evil http conenctions |
| 02:12.20 | anoHito | but i run netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | sort |
| 02:12.38 | anoHito | there are some IPs with continued port numbers and many of them |
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| 02:16.33 | ubuntu1 | life is a pain in my ass |
| 02:17.21 | enyawix | Is something wrong with the Debian servers? "http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources: 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80" |
| 02:17.49 | dondelelcaro | enyawix: that's not the right url |
| 02:17.59 | enyawix | ? |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | enyawix: your sources are mal-formed |
| 02:18.22 | dondelelcaro | enyawix: it's http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/source/ |
| 02:18.36 | dondelelcaro | (you've probably listed lenny/updates instead of just lenny |
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| 02:22.32 | enyawix | some one have a url to a good sources list? |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | enyawix: put yours in a pastebin .. we'll see what's wrong |
| 02:24.17 | enyawix | abrotman ok brb |
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| 02:28.43 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
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| 02:29.25 | enyawix | Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved |
| 02:29.25 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.51 | enyawix | pastpin :( |
| 02:31.11 | abrotman | enyawix: paste.debian.net |
| 02:31.18 | greymalkin | I'm looking for a mail client that doesn't require installing an MTA... specifically I want a cron job to email results, but I don't want the possible security problems associated with having even a closed mail server. |
| 02:31.22 | greymalkin | Any suggestions? |
| 02:31.55 | enyawix | http://pastebin.ca/1408077 |
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| 02:33.03 | abrotman | enyawix: wow .. hold on |
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| 02:33.31 | enyawix | ok |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | enyawix: http://pastebin.ca/1408078 .. should be better |
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| 02:35.33 | greymalkin | Answering my own question: sendemail (NOT sendmail) |
| 02:36.50 | greymalkin | Or, better yet, ssmtp |
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| 02:41.26 | ap0th | how do I know if I'm updated to Lenny 5.0.1? |
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| 02:41.57 | abrotman | ap0th: you could check the release notes, and the versions and verify |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | !5.0.1 |
| 02:42.23 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 was released on April 11th, 2009. This is the first update of <lenny> and the first point release to use a micro version number (ie. 5.0.1 instead of 5.0r1). This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090411 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 02:43.11 | abrotman | ap0th: no need to msg me |
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| 02:44.20 | ap0th | is it recommended to enable proposed updates in synaptic for Debian updates? |
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| 02:44.46 | abrotman | that's up to you .. they're not officially supported AFAIK |
| 02:44.58 | nsadmin | will "5.0.1" be in /etc/debian_version? |
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| 02:45.51 | ap0th | indeed it is |
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| 02:46.59 | ap0th | anyone know what the deal is with the kernel failure at every boot? (i see it is not just me) |
| 02:47.58 | nsadmin | well yours is just yours... so error messages pastebinned will help |
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| 02:48.58 | nsadmin | by the same token, there is not just one kind of kernel failure |
| 02:49.10 | ap0th | true... |
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| 03:11.50 | anoHito | in vi ,how do i go to the exact line ? for example, go to line 101 ? |
| 03:12.12 | gravity | G 101 |
| 03:12.21 | gravity | Or :101<enter> |
| 03:12.30 | unomi2 | not really sure what to do here |
| 03:12.43 | gravity | anoHito: Actually, sorry, 101G |
| 03:12.58 | unomi2 | ive done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:13.02 | gravity | usually uses :101 because he likes to see what he's typing |
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| 03:13.07 | unomi2 | but all it does is ask me about my keyboard |
| 03:13.20 | unomi2 | ive written out the config using --configure |
| 03:13.29 | unomi2 | but there seems nothing in there about resolution |
| 03:13.41 | anoHito | gravity, Thanks. |
| 03:13.45 | unomi2 | well, there was one thing, and that had to do with DPI |
| 03:14.12 | unomi2 | xrandr tells me I can run at higher resolution and it works |
| 03:14.38 | anoHito | gravity, it does not work |
| 03:14.43 | anoHito | gravity, /G 101 ? |
| 03:14.45 | gravity | unomi2: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin? |
| 03:14.50 | gravity | anoHito: 101G |
| 03:14.57 | gravity | anoHito: Or :101<enter> |
| 03:15.39 | anoHito | thanks. |
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| 03:17.16 | unomi2 | gravity: http://pastebin.ca/1408101 |
| 03:18.07 | gravity | unomi2: What's the higher resolution that you want to run at? |
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| 03:18.16 | unomi2 | 1280*1024 |
| 03:18.57 | tkt | Anyone have issues with sound in Lenny? I have an onboard Intel chip |
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| 03:20.17 | gravity | weird... it doesn't log choosing a resolution |
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| 03:22.05 | unomi2 | can I copy that modeline as is ? |
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| 03:22.21 | Loevgaard | how do I delete the first x number of lines in a file? |
| 03:22.42 | gravity | unomi2: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 03:22.52 | gravity | unomi2: You probably don't have to specify the full modeline though |
| 03:23.28 | jpinx-eeepc | what's a really simple MTA, lightweight and for very light use |
| 03:24.00 | jpinx-eeepc | postfix is 1,888KBs installed, but I'm looking for something smaller |
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| 03:24.43 | gravity | Loevgaard: perl -n -e 'print $_ if $. > yournumbern' <infile >outfile |
| 03:24.58 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: nullmailer |
| 03:25.07 | Tramp | LoveGuru: tail -n +10 |
| 03:25.19 | Tramp | Loevgaard: tail -n +10 |
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| 03:26.56 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity: cool small size, but "show" tells me it'll " relay to a fixed set of smart relays" Does that include out to the public internet? |
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| 03:27.25 | zhxk | hello, does this channel runs around the clock? |
| 03:27.27 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: You presumably have an smtp server that your ISP provides you with, right? |
| 03:27.39 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity: no |
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| 03:27.48 | gravity | Seriously? |
| 03:27.56 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm in Peru ;) |
| 03:28.11 | jpinx-eeepc | very basic services here |
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| 03:28.41 | gravity | How do you normally send email? |
| 03:28.42 | zhxk | Peru? |
| 03:28.51 | jpinx-eeepc | gmail |
| 03:28.52 | conroy | http://digg.com/comedy/You_Little_Bastard_Youve_Killed_Us_All_Swine_Flu?OTC-widget |
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| 03:29.29 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: Then just don't send email via other things |
| 03:29.42 | gravity | jpinx-eeepc: With nullmailer your mail client will at least be able to send you local mail |
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| 03:30.15 | jpinx-eeepc | gravity: I'm setting up a small http server on the adsl here |
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| 03:30.51 | jpinx-eeepc | and it has a php driven webpage that responds with an email (if I have an MTA |
| 03:30.53 | zhxk | well,Peru is far from europ, and far from asia |
| 03:31.09 | pickcoder | jpinx-eeepc: then just run postfix |
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| 03:31.40 | jpinx-eeepc | zhxk: your point? |
| 03:31.53 | jpinx-eeepc | pickcoder: yea - that's what I'm thinking |
| 03:32.13 | zhxk | jpinx-eeepc:i'm in china |
| 03:32.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I was just looking for a really small and lightweight MTA |
| 03:32.42 | zhxk | what is MTA? |
| 03:33.00 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm on the smallest eeepc - only 4Gbs SDD |
| 03:33.11 | zhxk | agent to mail transfer? |
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| 03:35.59 | zhxk | stew:nice seeing you again |
| 03:39.49 | jaggy- | xine takes forever to load.. it'll pop up its window pretty quick, but then the hd works for 20 seconds, then another 10 seconds passes before the video begins |
| 03:40.52 | unomi3 | gravity: thanks for that link |
| 03:41.03 | jaggy- | it checks the cd.. does a ton of stuff I don't want it to do |
| 03:41.42 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions dragonfly |
| 03:41.43 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: dragonfly -- |
| 03:41.50 | unomi3 | next question; I downloaded OO.o3 from their site, unpacked and get a bunch of deb files |
| 03:42.04 | unomi3 | is there a way 'import' them into apt? |
| 03:42.11 | dondelelcaro | unomi3: uh... why not just use the Debian packages of OO.org? |
| 03:42.19 | unomi3 | so they are able to resolve each others deps? |
| 03:42.27 | unomi3 | 2.4 vs 3.0? |
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| 03:42.33 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions dma |
| 03:42.34 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: dma -- |
| 03:42.44 | dondelelcaro | unomi3: 2.4 works perfectly well... |
| 03:42.51 | unomi3 | so does vi |
| 03:43.00 | dondelelcaro | unomi3: if you actually need 3.0, backport it from testing or unstable. |
| 03:43.10 | unomi3 | ok |
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| 03:45.17 | mhymn | how can i disable dmix in alsa? seems there's no '/etc/asound.conf' in lenny |
| 03:45.59 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions wnpp |
| 03:46.00 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: wnpp -- |
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| 03:52.10 | Malf | I just attached an external usb drive in testing and dmesg seems to start working but it stops here: sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0 |
| 03:52.18 | Malf | and the device never shows up in lsusb or anywhere else |
| 03:52.26 | Malf | any ideas on what I'm missing/forgetting here? |
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| 04:16.55 | jaggy- | how do I disable xine's check for lirc/lircd? |
| 04:17.35 | jpinx-eeepc | do I have to have dovecot with postfix? Or can I collect my emails directly? |
| 04:17.43 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: you can do whatever you want |
| 04:18.08 | Tramp | jaggy-: you did "man xine" and searched for "lirc"? |
| 04:18.11 | dondelelcaro | dovecot just happens to be one of the better imap/pop servers |
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| 04:18.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - I'll rephrase - do I need dovecot if I am the only user of the mail on this box and I have direct access? |
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| 04:18.57 | jpinx-eeepc | basically I will alias all mail out to gmail |
| 04:19.15 | jaggy- | no.. been looking for config files..t hanks |
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| 04:19.53 | Tramp | even that you will find in "man xine", at the very end |
| 04:20.29 | jaggy- | yeah, I see it.. now I'm trying to figure out how to get default command line options into the config files |
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| 04:20.39 | jaggy- | (vs. making a wrapper/alias for the command) |
| 04:20.59 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: nope; you only need it if you plan to get at your mail using imap or pop |
| 04:21.09 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks |
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| 04:22.35 | jaggy- | step by step.. |
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| 04:25.05 | Tramp | apparently it's as easy as writing "-L" in ~/.xine/xinerc on a line of its own. Not that I ever tried it. |
| 04:27.37 | jaggy- | where'd you find that? just tried -- it still tries to access lircd |
| 04:28.00 | jaggy- | funny thing is, if I run it through strace xine will not test for lirc .. :/ |
| 04:28.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Postfix is much more than I need. Is there a package that only does local mail and will send mails created by a php-driven webform? |
| 04:28.50 | jaggy- | ah.. additional command line args.. nice. |
| 04:29.02 | jaggy- | wonder why it's not working.. trying manually first with -L to test |
| 04:29.19 | jaggy- | oh.. xine runs gxine |
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| 04:30.17 | Sashi | is it possible to LVM a partition? |
| 04:30.43 | Sashi | like say I have.. a 250GB HD 5GB on / rest on /home |
| 04:30.56 | Sashi | then I add a 500GB disk and want to add it to /home |
| 04:30.57 | jaggy- | jpinx, still working on that? mail is an important issue to resolve. I just use postfix though.. but maybe it would be nice to have something which runs as a cron job and periodically checks for mail? |
| 04:31.00 | Sashi | possible? |
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| 04:31.53 | jaggy- | I haven't used LVM, but you'd probably have to NOT mount the partition on /home and instead have that partition be a part of the volume, and the other disk be a part of the volume |
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| 04:32.00 | dondelelcaro | jpinx-eeepc: nullmailer will do it |
| 04:32.02 | jaggy- | so I'd look up what you can add to volumes |
| 04:32.25 | Sashi | no I loooked up guides how to do LVM |
| 04:32.34 | Sashi | but is it possible to do LVM on a working installation without loosing data |
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| 04:33.09 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: sure |
| 04:33.24 | Sashi | like boot the system via live cd |
| 04:33.26 | Sashi | or something |
| 04:33.32 | jaggy- | hmm.. nullmailer.. |
| 04:34.32 | jaggy- | sashi, or set the Volume up on the 500gb, copy home to it, clear the original /home partition, add that partition to the volume. but let's see what dondel says |
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| 04:35.28 | Tramp | hang on. He's currently busy crossposting his question in ##linux |
| 04:35.35 | Sashi | LP |
| 04:35.37 | Sashi | :P |
| 04:35.40 | Sashi | hehe |
| 04:35.48 | Sashi | the linux community is huge! |
| 04:36.07 | Sashi | since LVM isnt OS specific |
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| 04:36.13 | jaggy- | gxine's commandline options are far fewer than xine.. that's weird. |
| 04:37.27 | jaggy- | xine comes from xine-ui, but shows gxine when I run xine --help |
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| 04:39.51 | jaggy- | I wonder how to get the real xine.. not gxine (not that I mind gtk.. but gnome is another issue.. since I'm enjoying my kde) |
| 04:39.58 | jaggy- | and I'd really like the full set of xine options |
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| 04:42.49 | Tramp | jaggy-: not sure, if I can help you. I have the xine-ui package installed and no gxine package. Apparently they are different packages (though probably not confilcting, just different UIs for libxine) |
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| 04:45.56 | Tramp | for KDE appears to exist a thing called "codeine" - at least it depends on both libqt3 and libxine1 |
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| 04:49.00 | monkeyblack | I installed hping2 but when i type "find hping2" it says no files or directory, I installed it via apt-get install hping2 |
| 04:49.35 | monkeyblack | rabia809@debian:~$ find hping2 |
| 04:49.35 | monkeyblack | find: hping2: No such file or directory |
| 04:49.49 | arvind_khadri | monkeyblack, locate hping2 |
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| 04:50.27 | monkeyblack | arvind_khadri: I get no results |
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| 04:51.05 | arvind_khadri | monkeyblack, what do you actually want to do, and before doing locate once run updatedb |
| 04:51.56 | monkeyblack | arvind_khadri: im trying to use hping2 |
| 04:52.20 | monkeyblack | bash: hping2: command not found |
| 04:53.33 | Tramp | monkeyblack: probably you're trying as user. |
| 04:53.47 | arvind_khadri | monkeyblack, hping2 needs you to be root |
| 04:53.57 | Tramp | monkeyblack: the program is in /usr/sbin/, which is not in user's path |
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| 05:04.51 | jmoncayo | hi guys, i have a 250gb /home partition, from whm i assigned all the space to quota users, the problem is it is only 1% full and i have /usr about 95% full i want to unallocate space from /home to allocate it to /usr, i am using lvm is it possible, and how safe would it be since i have really sensitive data in home |
| 05:05.29 | dondelelcaro | jmoncayo: backup your data, then resize the filesystem on /home, then resize /home and increase the size of /usr, then resize the partition on /usr |
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| 05:05.56 | HTT-Bird | ok. I can su consistently from the shell prompt, but gksu rejects my password 9 times out of 10 |
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| 05:06.01 | HTT-Bird | what gives? |
| 05:06.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - now I have found esmtp to send mail and I need a really simple and lightweight solution to accept mail and queue it while the box is offline. Any ideas what'll work? something like sensible-mda but I'd really appreciate some input here;) |
| 05:06.24 | jmoncayo | dondelelcaro: what about the quotas? |
| 05:06.42 | jmoncayo | dondelelcaro: i assigned the quota in GB not % |
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| 05:09.50 | monkeyblack | when installing tcpdump thruw "apt-get install tcpdump" I get this http://pastebin.com/m58032844 where can I find the disk debian netinst? |
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| 05:10.33 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, that means that your Debian CDs didn't get commented out of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:10.57 | monkeyblack | HITT-Bird: Im using virtualbox |
| 05:11.16 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird* |
| 05:11.37 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, are you a host or a guest? I don't think that matters though tbh |
| 05:11.47 | HTT-Bird | as long as the guest has a network connection, ofc |
| 05:12.00 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: host |
| 05:12.14 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, then virtualbox doesn't matter, now, does it? |
| 05:12.27 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: what u mean? |
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| 05:13.13 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, afaik, the HOST os in a virtualization set up isn't any different than a non-virtualized OS, or am I wrong? |
| 05:13.17 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: where can I locate debian netinst in linux when it asks me |
| 05:13.43 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, open up your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:13.55 | HTT-Bird | (as root) |
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| 05:15.52 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: Ok I just did that and it still ask me to insert the disk in /cdrom/ |
| 05:16.29 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, it's got to be something in sources.list |
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| 05:17.10 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: nothing is # on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:17.23 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: not anymore anyways |
| 05:18.24 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, the problem is that you have something that does not have the # that should |
| 05:18.33 | HTT-Bird | (namely, the entries for the netinst cdrom) |
| 05:19.09 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: isnt # comments? so it shouldnt have the # or it should? |
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| 05:19.25 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, comment out the entries for the netinst cd |
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| 05:19.59 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: I did I took off the # on both netinst cd |
| 05:20.07 | monkeyblack | lines |
| 05:20.09 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, put the # back on |
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| 05:21.37 | monkeyblack | HTT-Bird: ooh it works, thank you very much, and sorry for been kinda stupid, still getting used to debian and apt ;p |
| 05:22.23 | HTT-Bird | monkeyblack, np |
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| 05:27.25 | Manoj | What does Sähköposti (ei julkisteta) mean? And Sivusto? |
| 05:27.47 | LoboX | d |
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| 05:32.03 | theinformant | hi |
| 05:32.09 | theinformant | i want to run a gui program as root but im having trouble with X |
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| 05:35.20 | phorce1 | Debian lenny. I'm udev ignorant. How do I figure out what group my regular user needs to be a part of to avvess a device detected and set up through udev? Access works fine as root but not found as normal user. (cell phone using BitPim to access it) |
| 05:35.36 | phorce1 | s/avvess/access/ |
| 05:36.34 | thirdwheel_ | ls -l /dev/device ? |
| 05:38.21 | phorce1 | Still trying to figure out which device it is. BitPim (as root) lists it as usb::006::007::2 |
| 05:38.25 | theinformant | what do i assign to :0.0 ? |
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| 05:39.26 | thirdwheel_ | have a look in /dev/usb |
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| 05:42.06 | phorce1 | evrything in /dev/bus/usb is root:root I need to figure out how to get udev to assign a different group to the phone when it's attached --- the way usb mass storage devices get assigned to a /dev/sdX that is root:disk |
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| 05:43.38 | phorce1 | udev rules make my eyes bleed |
| 05:44.01 | fatio | theinformant: as root, try cp /home/you/.Xauthority ~ ; DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
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| 05:46.21 | theinformant | ettercap says GTK+ failed to initialize. Is X running? |
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| 05:46.31 | theinformant | i suppose i'll just learn sudo |
| 05:47.22 | theinformant | yeah sudo is better. |
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| 05:53.08 | pranith | I am still stuck at iceweasel version 3.0.6 while firefox is 3.0.10. Can anyone confirm the security issues do not affect iceweasel? |
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| 05:57.15 | indigoflux | pranith: Debian backports security fixes from firefox to xulrunner, not iceweasel. |
| 05:58.29 | indigoflux | As long as you're updated you should be fine. :) |
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| 06:18.14 | MrWax | I have a hdd with 1 800 gb partition where vista is on and some 200gb unpartitioned space, now i try to extened the vista partition to take up the whole hdd, i'm doing this with gparted but it's taking 10 hours + now - does anyone know a better way to do it? |
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| 06:20.32 | OpenTokix | MrWax: Don't run vista and use lvm for your partitions. |
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| 06:22.13 | MrWax | OpenTokix: ? |
| 06:22.42 | OpenTokix | MrWax: you asked for a better way. - Reason for it taking a looong time, is because they have to rebuild alot fo stuff when you have such a big partition. |
| 06:22.53 | MrWax | ok |
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| 06:29.22 | zxd | hi |
| 06:29.29 | zxd | what's the program cron uses to send mails |
| 06:29.38 | zhxk | can a little performace be gained to toggel off realtime mark off to ext3 root filesystem? |
| 06:29.40 | OpenTokix | zxd: tghe configured MTA |
| 06:29.46 | OpenTokix | zxd: default its exim4 |
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| 06:30.00 | zxd | Cron mail sending using outside SMTP mail server |
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| 06:31.24 | OpenTokix | zxd: Cron just use the configured MTA, and default MTA is exim4 wich you can configure to use a smarthost or whatever. |
| 06:32.12 | zxd | how does know what is the default MTA |
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| 06:32.33 | OpenTokix | zxd: if you havent changed it, its exim4 |
| 06:32.56 | OpenTokix | zxd: to reconfigure it run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:33.36 | thnee | what is this "Smart upgrade" that the Update manager speaks about? it says that some packages can not be installed.. but i dont know which ones? |
| 06:33.50 | thnee | i am running testing |
| 06:35.07 | zxd | OpenTokix: cron uses the command sendmail to send mails? |
| 06:35.30 | OpenTokix | zxd: yes, or mail |
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| 06:45.30 | zxd | why dosen't this work in /etc/aliases username: foo@domain.com |
| 06:46.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | your mail server is broken? |
| 06:47.00 | khaije1 | is there an advantage to setting a partition type to raid or is it cosmetic? |
| 06:47.25 | khaije1 | in setting up mdraid |
| 06:48.08 | tec | hello |
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| 06:52.03 | tec | can somebody help me applying a .diff patch to a linux kernel? im running debian lenny on 2.6.26-2-686 kernel and want to run openbsc on this machine (http://bs11-abis.gnumonks.org/trac/wiki/BS11_Getting_Started). now i must compile a new kernel to include the misdn modules for the hfc e1 pci card. i got that working! but i dont know how to apply the .diff patch from the svn... i tried it with patch -p1 < linux-2.6.27.4-misdn-abis.diff |
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| 06:53.43 | tec | the .diff can be found here: http://bs11-abis.gnumonks.org/trac/browser/trunk/linux-kernel/linux-2.6.27.4-misdn-abis.diff |
| 06:53.54 | khaije1 | tec: i haven't not worked with patch in quite a while but i think you can find the answer by googling |
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| 06:54.56 | tec | khaije1: oh, i googled a lot and tried alot, but still at the same place :( |
| 06:55.09 | khaije1 | what is the error yr getting? |
| 06:55.42 | tec | khaije1: as i learned, the diff describes the difference between kernel versions/builds? |
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| 06:56.04 | tec | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
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| 06:58.53 | tec | i have no odea what is wrong with the patch.. |
| 06:59.10 | khaije1 | tec are you sure yr working with a good patch and that you are attempting to patch the right kerne version and all that? |
| 06:59.16 | fatio | tec: have you got the clean linux-2.6.27.4 sources unpacked? |
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| 06:59.55 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:04.58 | tec | yes i have downloaded a frash kernel from linus |
| 07:05.11 | tec | and the instructions can be found here: http://bs11-abis.gnumonks.org/trac/wiki/BS11_Getting_Started |
| 07:05.32 | tec | i compiled the kernel fine, but the patch wont work |
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| 07:06.35 | tec | i got it, something was wrong with the file format.. file said it was html... :( |
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| 07:06.58 | tec | now i got this: gsmbase1:/usr/src# patch -p1 < linux-2.6.27.4-misdn-abis.diff |
| 07:06.58 | tec | can't find file to patch at input line 4 |
| 07:06.58 | tec | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 07:06.58 | tec | The text leading up to this was: |
| 07:06.59 | tec | -------------------------- |
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| 07:07.41 | alii | hey, how do i add local email addresses to my postfix configuration in order to REJECT them. (i have 3-4 email addresses that receive a lot of spam) |
| 07:07.49 | tec | what do i have to do now? |
| 07:07.57 | fatio | tec: did you find the "plain text" link on the html page? |
| 07:08.02 | tec | which file do i have to select? |
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| 07:08.53 | tec | fatio: yes, now it seems working :) |
| 07:09.16 | tec | but what are the following steps? |
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| 07:09.21 | tec | ive never done this before and it asks now for a file to patch |
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| 07:11.10 | fatio | tec: you should be running the unmodified linux-2.6.27.4 in debian first. what does uname -a say? |
| 07:11.49 | tec | Linux gsmbase1 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:13.11 | fatio | tec: are you on lenny? don't do the patch yet. unpack again to be sure. compile and *run* the unmodified kernel first. |
| 07:13.41 | tec | unpack the kernel? |
| 07:13.57 | fatio | tec: yes, unless you're sure patch hasn't modified it |
| 07:14.11 | tec | ok, ive loaded the linux-source-2.6.26.tar.bz2 |
| 07:14.23 | tec | apply the patch before compiling? |
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| 07:14.58 | fatio | tec: no. 1) compile and run without patch. 2) apply patch. 3) compile and run with patch. |
| 07:15.01 | tec | and do i have to make changes in menuconfig, to get misdn to work / my hfc e1 card? |
| 07:15.13 | tec | ah |
| 07:15.33 | tec | menuconfig then in before step 3? |
| 07:16.06 | fatio | tec: dunno, depends on the patch. what does sha1 linux-2.6.27.4-misdn-abis.diff say? |
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| 07:19.27 | tec | 212c12f0f74c3880c18556288687b410bb5199a6 linux-2.6.27.4-misdn-abis.diff |
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| 07:22.33 | fatio | tec: ok. in step 3, cd linux-2.6.27.4 ; patch -p1 < linux-2.6.27.4-misdn-abis.diff should work |
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| 07:22.50 | tec | ok, ill try now :) |
| 07:23.01 | tec | thank you so far! :) |
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| 07:23.30 | fatio | tec: but debian may give you troubles running even the unpatched kernel. you get to deal with those before reaching step 3. |
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| 07:23.55 | tec | which troubles should i expect? |
| 07:24.22 | fatio | tec: anything. i guess the locals here know better than i. |
| 07:25.13 | tec | ok, ill give it a try now :) |
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| 07:25.48 | fatio | tec: as for the kernel config, just make shure it builds the source in drivers/isdn/mISDN then step 3 shouldn't need another config |
| 07:26.49 | tec | ok, i thought about this already |
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| 07:27.11 | tec | isdn4linux is now named misdn, is this correct? |
| 07:28.23 | noud | what is debians ( lenny ) preferred mailserver? postfix? |
| 07:28.31 | fatio | tec: i don't know |
| 07:29.09 | tec | ok |
| 07:29.10 | tec | afk |
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| 07:29.12 | tec | thank you |
| 07:29.18 | fatio | np |
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| 07:31.31 | simonrvn | noud: exim4. it was almost postfix but it wasn't ready just yet when the mta had to be included. |
| 07:32.50 | noud | ohh that other os that wasn't just ready :) |
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| 07:32.59 | noud | got to give it a try |
| 07:33.36 | rbo_ | hi! why do i have "date: invalid date `043010302009'" stting new date/time? |
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| 07:34.15 | AlexC_ | morning Earthlings |
| 07:34.33 | khaije1 | is i create a raid1 device using sda1 and sdb1 will they both be destroyed when md0 is created? |
| 07:34.52 | khaije1 | (should say "if is create a raid device...") |
| 07:34.54 | ootput | khaije1: no |
| 07:35.03 | simonrvn | noud: os? |
| 07:35.05 | ootput | khaije1: unless you mean contents distroyed |
| 07:35.08 | AlexC_ | I'm still have issues with curl/wget waiting for a response. I've managed to install strace, and doing a strace curl www.google.co.uk shows the following: poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 1000) = 0 (Timeout) it keeps showing that line over and over, what on earth can solve this? |
| 07:35.12 | ootput | *destroyed |
| 07:35.16 | simonrvn | fails to see context |
| 07:35.29 | khaije1 | hehe yes, i was wondering about the data on the drives |
| 07:36.20 | simonrvn | AlexC_: dns? routes? trouble on your upstream? traceroute it. |
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| 07:37.24 | fatio | tec: if all else fails, remember that Slackware is designed to run Linus' unpatched kernel |
| 07:37.26 | mats | i think i have a false bios driver, because the keys for the brightness doesn't work and i don't get a bios beep - even if i want it ... how can i check out if the bios driver is correct? |
| 07:38.02 | AlexC_ | simonrvn, http://paste2.org/p/194950 routes you mean kernel routes? They are fine. I've asked the date center tech to ensure everything is ok on their side, still awaiting to hear from the. How can I rule out DNS? |
| 07:38.20 | AlexC_ | despite the obvious use IP |
| 07:38.22 | noud | simonrvn: deb 5.0 lenny, trying it again after years of using gentoo and sendmail |
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| 07:39.06 | simonrvn | noud: oh ok. i get context now :). |
| 07:39.33 | simonrvn | AlexC_: check resolv.conf |
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| 07:40.02 | AlexC_ | simonrvn, have, DNS is working just fine. I've tried changing nameservers to, it doesn't affect the issue |
| 07:40.35 | noud | hands out some glue |
| 07:40.44 | noud | simonrvn: thanks |
| 07:42.08 | simonrvn | AlexC_: to what? |
| 07:42.26 | AlexC_ | simonrvn, tried OpenDNS |
| 07:42.30 | mats | hello??? anyone who can help me? |
| 07:42.43 | simonrvn | oh, you meant "too". |
| 07:42.51 | AlexC_ | yes =) |
| 07:42.53 | simonrvn | !tell mats -about ask |
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| 08:03.37 | JyZyXEL | why does debootstrap leave /boot/ empty -.- |
| 08:03.41 | JyZyXEL | i bet thats whats fucking with grub |
| 08:04.51 | khaije1 | ootput: the only disks i have availabe are the ones that i want to use in the raid1 device, do i need to backup all the data on the master, then create the md0 device and then copy it back? or is there a way to shortcut this? |
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| 08:11.28 | shambat | a coworker of mine upgraded one of our boxes from 7.04 (or 7.10..not sure) to 9.04 ... would this break logrotate? I can't find the old configuration files |
| 08:11.36 | shambat | ubuntu |
| 08:11.55 | khaije1 | it sounds like this would be non-trivial in my case... unless.... i create a degraded raid1 array migrate the lv's over to the md0 then add the master disk back |
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| 08:18.35 | havocologe | how to see which files where altered on or after a specified date on the whole system ? |
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| 08:27.21 | JyZyXEL | isn't there a way to install debian from debian live cd? |
| 08:27.22 | zhxk | å° è¯¸ä¾¯ :are you here? |
| 08:28.17 | asd | here |
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| 08:28.50 | zhxk | asd:welcome |
| 08:29.17 | shambat | how can I get logrotate to rotate exactly at midnight? |
| 08:29.42 | asd | hello |
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| 08:30.41 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what consolekit is and why it has so many processes @_@ |
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| 08:35.21 | themill | mischief6: apt-cache show consolekit |
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| 08:37.25 | mischief6 | themill, i already did that. it was not very enlightening. removing it also has the consequence of removing xfce, which is not good. |
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| 08:39.13 | themill | even kde doesn't depend on that.... |
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| 08:40.29 | jaggz- | hey, once I do apt-get build-dep foo, and I'm done with patching and installing the program -- how do I get rid of all those now-unneeded deps? |
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| 08:41.08 | themill | mischief6: exactly what package is it trying to uninstall? "aptitude why xfce4 consolekit" says that they're not linked (in lenny at least). |
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| 08:41.56 | themill | jaggz-: there's no automatic method. Scroll back and copy+paste, or next time, work in a pbuilder/cowbuilder chroot so that it's automatic. |
| 08:42.49 | mischief6 | themill, http://paste.debian.net/34831/ |
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| 08:44.50 | tkt | Anyone know if there is a way to change the default browser in Pidgin? I looked in the preferences over and over and cant find anything |
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| 08:45.42 | themill | mischief6: ahh... by xfce you mean lxde. :) Actually, it's hal that brings in the consolekit dependency, so there's pretty much no way of avoiding it on a modern desktop system. |
| 08:46.14 | mischief6 | oh yea, got them mixed up. |
| 08:46.34 | mischief6 | themill, well, what does hal do? >.> can i stop the daemon? |
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| 08:48.10 | themill | mischief6: how is it that you are running sid on your desktop and have never wondered what hal is or gone off to google this yourself? "apt-cache show hal" is enlightening. |
| 08:48.34 | jaggz- | okay, these mac commercials are deceptive |
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| 08:48.44 | mischief6 | themill, i don't run sid on my desktop. |
| 08:48.50 | mischief6 | i run squeeze in a virtual machine. |
| 08:49.04 | themill | mischief6: oh, that version of hal has just migrated to squeeze... |
| 08:49.13 | jaggz- | pbuilder cowbuilder chroot! |
| 08:49.45 | Hipska | someone who can help me mount a folder on a usb drive into a folder in the home dir ? |
| 08:50.06 | Hipska | the usb drive itself is already mounted |
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| 08:51.56 | Hipska | somebody? |
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| 08:52.00 | themill | mischief6: hal is a framework that controls access to devices for most desktop environments. It's an "abstraction layer" meaning that the DE can ignore the fine details about the device and just deal with the broad concepts (e.g. it's removable storage rather than it's a "foo-drive 1000" for which the kernel will need $driver). |
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| 08:57.51 | remoteCTR1 | can somebody please compile a pidgin version for lenny that is not "too old" to connect to icq? |
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| 09:02.37 | simplechat_ | hey, i need a bit of help |
| 09:02.44 | simplechat_ | i have a raid 0 array that is failing to fsck |
| 09:02.47 | simplechat_ | *1 |
| 09:02.48 | simplechat_ | array |
| 09:03.20 | ootput | remoteCTR1: backports? |
| 09:03.50 | remoteCTR1 | ootput: of course already enabled... |
| 09:04.36 | simplechat_ | i'm getting the message that md0 has stopped |
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| 09:05.06 | remoteCTR1 | ootput: err... or maybe not :D k, will do that, thanks |
| 09:05.45 | yareckon | hi all, what happened to being able to set the resolution in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 09:06.01 | yareckon | when I run that command and go through all the screens I am not asked for resolution anymore |
| 09:06.28 | yareckon | despite the face that xorg is getting it crazy wrong with all of it's auto configuration |
| 09:07.08 | simplechat_ | ok, i think that my raid array just isn't coming up |
| 09:07.18 | yareckon | is there any recourse to typing out a whole modeline like the olden days? Am I just doing somehting wrong? |
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| 09:10.58 | glontu | hello |
| 09:11.14 | glontu | how can i install php in debian from sources ? |
| 09:11.26 | glontu | the version available via apt-get is not new enough |
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| 09:13.00 | yareckon | glontu, the version available in source from debian is probably not any newer than the packaged version for your distro |
| 09:13.12 | yareckon | which version of debian are you running? |
| 09:13.20 | yareckon | testing, stable, unstable |
| 09:13.20 | yareckon | ? |
| 09:13.29 | nkuttler | glontu: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:13.35 | yareckon | yeah |
| 09:13.44 | yareckon | that's probably the best option |
| 09:13.52 | glontu | yareckon, i an runing etch and it has php 5.2.0 ... i need a newer version |
| 09:14.15 | yareckon | hm... |
| 09:14.26 | yareckon | try backports |
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| 09:14.40 | yareckon | I think that a newer version of php should run fine on etch |
| 09:14.42 | nkuttler | glontu: um, which version do you need? |
| 09:14.58 | yareckon | not like apache has changed that much in a couple years |
| 09:15.14 | Guerin | don't run etch |
| 09:15.15 | glontu | nkuttler, i need 5.2.4 atleast |
| 09:15.15 | Guerin | run lennt |
| 09:15.18 | Guerin | s/t/y/ |
| 09:15.28 | yareckon | what is etch running? |
| 09:15.34 | nkuttler | glontu: lenny has 5.2.6 |
| 09:15.36 | yareckon | yeah, you should probably upgrade |
| 09:15.51 | yareckon | but backports will tide you over until then |
| 09:15.58 | glontu | so if i don't have time and bandwitdth to perform an upgrade ? |
| 09:16.04 | glontu | ok |
| 09:16.15 | glontu | i'll look into this "backports" thing |
| 09:16.16 | glontu | thanks |
| 09:16.23 | Guerin | glontu: find time/bandwidth |
| 09:16.30 | nkuttler | does backport.org maintain backports for oldstable? |
| 09:16.37 | Guerin | you'll have to do it sometime, and the more you try to set up now, the more pain it'll be |
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| 09:18.04 | mosno | do i want libc6-xen for my Dom0? |
| 09:18.25 | mosno | sorry, gotta go -- back in 90min |
| 09:18.43 | OpenTokix | mosno: yes |
| 09:18.58 | OpenTokix | mosno: either that or, move tls to tls.disabled |
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| 09:23.04 | simplechat_ | <simplechat_> hey, i have a few issues |
| 09:23.04 | simplechat_ | <simplechat_> my server just stopped booting about 15 minutes ago |
| 09:23.04 | simplechat_ | <simplechat_> its having issues finding /dev/md0 |
| 09:23.04 | simplechat_ | <simplechat_> it complains that it can't fsck it |
| 09:23.04 | simplechat_ | <simplechat_> but the md0 array won't build |
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| 09:23.21 | simplechat_ | my server can't find /dev/md0 |
| 09:23.26 | simplechat_ | it makes the device but i can't find it |
| 09:23.33 | ootput | simplechat_: try to type complete sentences |
| 09:23.39 | simplechat_ | i have a /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc which should be the two disks on the array, however i can't mount them |
| 09:23.52 | simplechat_ | ootput, my server refuses to boot, my raid array won't start nor fsck |
| 09:23.57 | simplechat_ | and i have absolutely no idea how to fix it |
| 09:24.01 | simplechat_ | and it has all of my files |
| 09:24.18 | OpenTokix | simplechat_: Does bios detect both drives? |
| 09:24.29 | OpenTokix | simplechat_: is /dev/md0 a raid1 or raid0? |
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| 09:24.33 | simplechat_ | OpenTokix, where would i go to check it? |
| 09:24.35 | simplechat_ | its raid 1 |
| 09:24.42 | ootput | software raid or other? |
| 09:24.44 | simplechat_ | it has three disks, one disk is / the other two are /data |
| 09:24.48 | simplechat_ | its a software raid |
| 09:24.57 | simplechat_ | made by the debian installer |
| 09:25.21 | yareckon | two of the disk are in a raid 1 |
| 09:25.26 | simplechat_ | yes |
| 09:25.38 | OpenTokix | simplechat_: Probably have the first disk died, where you have the boot-stuff |
| 09:25.40 | simplechat_ | the raid was fsck'd about two days ago |
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| 09:25.53 | simplechat_ | OpenTokix, it will boot to / and then fail when it tries to build the raid |
| 09:26.03 | simplechat_ | it says that it can't find /dev/md0 no devices |
| 09:26.07 | simplechat_ | and then it can't mount it |
| 09:26.10 | simplechat_ | and then can't fsck it |
| 09:26.14 | OpenTokix | simplechat_: yeah, sounds just about right |
| 09:26.20 | simplechat_ | yeah |
| 09:26.24 | simplechat_ | so what should i try doing? |
| 09:26.33 | yareckon | check to see if the bios can see the drives |
| 09:26.39 | ootput | use livecd to boot in, degrade, and save what you can from the remaining disk |
| 09:26.43 | OpenTokix | that is a good start |
| 09:26.43 | yareckon | also do an fdisk -l |
| 09:26.53 | simplechat_ | which? |
| 09:27.01 | simplechat_ | i'm starting it now |
| 09:27.03 | yareckon | to see what the kernel thinks you have attached to it |
| 09:27.27 | yareckon | if you get up an running enough to have that command |
| 09:27.38 | yareckon | may need the live cd mentioned above |
| 09:28.08 | simplechat_ | oh |
| 09:28.10 | simplechat_ | no |
| 09:28.13 | simplechat_ | its only found one disk |
| 09:28.15 | ootput | make a backup now if you can |
| 09:28.27 | simplechat_ | i think it might have lost power or something? |
| 09:28.30 | simplechat_ | the computer is very old |
| 09:28.48 | simplechat_ | in the bios |
| 09:28.50 | ootput | stares at his pentium 133 in the corner of his room |
| 09:28.55 | simplechat_ | this is a p3 |
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| 09:29.40 | yareckon | yeah, someone can correct me if I am wrong, but after making sure that it isn't some thing stupid, like a loose cable, |
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| 09:29.55 | simplechat_ | ok this is odd |
| 09:30.02 | simplechat_ | in dmesg it says that it can find ata1 and ada2 |
| 09:30.12 | simplechat_ | which are thw two disks of the raid |
| 09:30.25 | simplechat_ | i'm going to turn it off and see what i can see |
| 09:30.33 | simplechat_ | i'm thinking of grabbing another pc and shoving the disk in there |
| 09:30.57 | simplechat_ | and trying to mount it from that |
| 09:30.57 | remoteCTR1 | i need a pidgin that is not "too old" for icq, can anyone help me with that please? |
| 09:30.58 | simplechat_ | yareckon, ? |
| 09:31.32 | remoteCTR1 | enouf: are you ther buddy? i need your expertise please |
| 09:31.45 | simplechat_ | OpenTokix, ootput is that a good course of action? |
| 09:31.53 | yareckon | sorry |
| 09:31.55 | yareckon | doorbel |
| 09:31.58 | yareckon | bell |
| 09:32.11 | simplechat_ | disk -l gives me /dev/sda1 2 and 5 |
| 09:32.14 | simplechat_ | nothing in sdb or sdc |
| 09:33.00 | yareckon | if you've check the cable, I would do what is being suggested above, break the raid and mount the disk separately |
| 09:33.26 | simplechat_ | /dev/sdb and/or /dev/sdc? |
| 09:33.58 | yareckon | I don't have experience working with raid 1.... can anyone tell simplechat if he's going to need to mess around with the superblock or formatting in order to get one of the disk to mount as a normal disk? |
| 09:34.14 | yareckon | mount the good one :) |
| 09:35.09 | yareckon | in raid 5 you can't just take one of the drives out and try to recover it separately, but in raid 1 you theoretically should be able to |
| 09:35.36 | yareckon | someone with direct experience (or google) can tell you what you will need to do first |
| 09:35.50 | yareckon | it's you're job to figure out which of those disks is not working |
| 09:36.04 | simplechat_ | yeah |
| 09:36.10 | simplechat_ | or if its just an issue with cabling or something |
| 09:36.21 | simplechat_ | atm i've got the covers off |
| 09:36.25 | simplechat_ | and i'm going to see whats going to happen |
| 09:36.29 | simplechat_ | its saying that its got bad superblocks |
| 09:36.34 | simplechat_ | but thats probably just because the raid wasn't made |
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| 09:37.10 | yareckon | what does mdadm say? |
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| 09:38.26 | yareckon | if you have smarttools installed, you can use it to detect the serial # of the drive |
| 09:39.01 | yareckon | which could be handy to find out which one is up and which one is not |
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| 09:40.22 | zhxk | hello, are ther Ircguidelines to #debian? I want to have a study, thanks |
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| 09:40.49 | yareckon | everybody act normal, it's an anthropologist |
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| 09:40.59 | unixluser | hello. how do i have several repos listed in my sources.list (multimedia and such). How do i get a listing of packages installed from a particular repo? |
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| 09:41.17 | unixluser | er.. *hello. i hve.. |
| 09:41.19 | petemc | zhxk: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 09:42.11 | simplechat_ | ok |
| 09:42.21 | yareckon | good questio unixluser, but I don't know the answer |
| 09:42.39 | simplechat_ | yareckon, ok, once i finish checking it over |
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| 09:50.24 | nkuttler | unixluser: i guess script around apt-cache policy |
| 09:52.03 | unixluser | nkuttler: figured it out. apt-show-versions | grep -v lenny |
| 09:52.09 | unixluser | kind of a silly workaround |
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| 09:54.20 | zhxk | good, this channel much beeter, and feel more freedon than #ubuntu |
| 09:54.40 | unixluser | freedom, or less activity? |
| 09:55.25 | zhxk | feel freedon and more activity |
| 09:55.52 | ootput | wrong on both counts :) |
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| 09:56.17 | themill | unixluser: look at the ~O search pattern for aptitude. /msg dpkg aptitude docs |
| 09:56.53 | simplechat_ | yareckon, i was using an external raid card for the raid array |
| 09:56.59 | simplechat_ | so i'm going to take it out and recable and see if that works |
| 09:58.01 | themill | unixluser: It will only work if you've got different "o=" entries for each repository shown in "apt-cache policy" though. Also /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 09:58.45 | unixluser | wow, one hell of a one liner |
| 09:58.50 | unixluser | themill: thanks! |
| 09:59.32 | themill | unixluser: that one-liner is quite insane... but it works out ok. If you have a well defined set of repos that you're looking at, then something like "aptitude search ~i~OBackports.org" will work out better. |
| 09:59.45 | yareckon | ok... that should be a first step.... but you need to figure out if you were using hardware or software raid |
| 10:00.02 | yareckon | if it's md0 it's probably software, which is good |
| 10:00.10 | yareckon | because it's easier to recover |
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| 10:00.47 | yareckon | that card just may be a fancy set of ata ports with no raid functionality being actually used |
| 10:01.40 | themill | unixluser: someone with better awk-fu could possibly tidy it up... I was going for functional rather than elegant at the time! |
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| 10:02.19 | unixluser | heh. it'll do for now :) |
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| 10:02.30 | unixluser | though that latter command worked nicely too |
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| 10:04.07 | Sebboh | Long ago I broke my system by using some package tool other than apt-get. I was told that it happened because ..the tool saved data to the apt-cache in a way that apt-get didn't expect. |
| 10:04.09 | Sebboh | Was that true, and if so, how can I prevent it if I want to start using a package tool now? Also, what tool should I use to search based on those tag things? |
| 10:04.10 | superdump | hello |
| 10:04.36 | superdump | i'm running testing amd64 and i want to grab the most recent 2.6.29 linux-source release |
| 10:04.41 | superdump | this appears to be in unstable |
| 10:05.18 | superdump | how should i approach installing the package? pin all packages to testing but add an exception for this one package or...? |
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| 10:05.35 | ootput | what are you after in the .29 release? |
| 10:05.58 | ootput | wait, linux-source? |
| 10:06.17 | vak | where to install a custom package from sources to? (I would avoid a mess with the official debian package when it later appears) |
| 10:07.04 | unixluser | /usr/local/stow |
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| 10:08.27 | Sebboh | vak, oh, there's a lot of debate about that. /opt is used by a lot of people, but it's really annoying. There are some /local/ dirs in /usr .. But lately I've found that keeping software in ~ works for me perfectly well, often enough. |
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| 10:09.13 | vak | Sebboh: ~ is hardly a good way to go as the package is to be used by apache |
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| 10:09.54 | superdump | ootput: i need a newer kernel than 2.6.26 for some drivers for my dvb-t card |
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| 10:13.44 | zhxk | !guidelines |
| 10:13.44 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 10:14.30 | simplechat_ | WOOOOO server is back on the air |
| 10:14.32 | simplechat_ | :) |
| 10:14.49 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 10:14.49 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 10:14.52 | flower | where can I find sudoers(5) |
| 10:14.54 | flower | ? |
| 10:14.59 | ootput | simplechat_: what was the problem |
| 10:15.08 | Guerin | flower: in the `sudo' package |
| 10:15.16 | simplechat_ | ootput, drive came out from the hw raid controller |
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| 10:15.24 | simplechat_ | controller went "OMFGOMFGOMFG" and froze |
| 10:15.27 | ootput | sudo |
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| 10:16.02 | flower | Guerin: but man sudo starts with (8) |
| 10:16.56 | MrWax | I'm about to make partitions on my new hdd 1tb sata drive for debian and windows vista, what fs should debian be ? only 1 200gb ext3 would be ok right? |
| 10:17.03 | Guerin | flower: do you know how manual sections work? |
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| 10:17.16 | flower | Guerin: not exactly |
| 10:17.28 | Guerin | flower: type `man 5 sudoers' |
| 10:17.36 | remoteCTR1 | man man *g* |
| 10:17.42 | ootput | flower: man man |
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| 10:18.14 | flower | ok thanks, man man wat moet je toch veel lezen ;) |
| 10:18.20 | pranith | why am i not able to change the login screen using gdmsetup? |
| 10:19.08 | omry|work | installed a new box and I get this when I try to mount an nfs mount point : mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. (http://pastebin.ca/1408334) |
| 10:19.20 | themill | flower: since there is likely only man page called sudoers on your system at all, "man sudoers" will do exactly the same as "man 5 sudoers". |
| 10:19.30 | omry|work | what does this mean? is rpc.statd supposed to be running on the client? |
| 10:19.58 | ootput | omry|work: nfs? |
| 10:20.03 | pranith | i get these errors when i run gdmsetup.. http://pastebin.com/m70b13274 wht do i do? |
| 10:20.04 | lillis | ugh, where the hell do I find rxvt config files? |
| 10:20.08 | lillis | doesnt say anything in the man page |
| 10:20.16 | omry|work | ootput, nfs. |
| 10:20.31 | simplechat_ | ok, now for another question |
| 10:20.39 | simplechat_ | i've set up authorized_keys on my etch server |
| 10:20.42 | remoteCTR1 | pranith: have a look at gnome-art with that one you can also change the login screen |
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| 10:20.48 | simplechat_ | however it simply refuses to do pubkey ssh authentication |
| 10:21.10 | pranith | remoteCTR1, gnome-art.org? |
| 10:21.15 | simplechat_ | any ideas as to something i can do to get it to do that? |
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| 10:21.26 | remoteCTR1 | pranith: sudo apt-get install gnome-art |
| 10:21.40 | pranith | remoteCTR1, I have already downloaded other themes.. when I select them, they do no stick |
| 10:21.43 | remoteCTR1 | kschinki@jay:~$ sudo apt-cache search gnome-art |
| 10:21.43 | remoteCTR1 | gnome-art - install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org |
| 10:21.57 | pranith | it goes back to the default blue login screen again |
| 10:22.03 | remoteCTR1 | pranith: have a look at it, iuse it and i like it;) |
| 10:22.13 | pranith | ok :) |
| 10:22.26 | remoteCTR1 | for me the login screen with myamoto musashi works just fine |
| 10:22.35 | ootput | simplechat_: other Authentication mechanisms in place on server? |
| 10:22.55 | simplechat_ | yeah |
| 10:22.56 | pranith | remoteCTR1, trying it out now.. |
| 10:23.12 | remoteCTR1 | pranith: go ahead:) |
| 10:23.17 | pranith | remoteCTR1, but gdmsetup is not working. a bug should be filed against it... |
| 10:23.40 | remoteCTR1 | pranith: if you consider it to be a bug please do so |
| 10:24.13 | Coweater | lillis: the list of resources in the manual can be put into ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources, they would look something like "Rxvt*scrollBar_right: true" one per line |
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| 10:24.27 | simplechat_ | ootput, its wierd |
| 10:24.34 | simplechat_ | cause when i use ssh -vvvv it is trying |
| 10:24.35 | simplechat_ | but fails |
| 10:24.38 | simplechat_ | when on another server |
| 10:24.45 | simplechat_ | with identical authorized_keys it succeds |
| 10:24.57 | lillis | Coweater: I missed the rxvt* part, thanks :) |
| 10:25.18 | remoteCTR1 | simplechat_: have a look at the server's log files |
| 10:25.47 | ootput | simplechat_: what of the former server's config? |
| 10:25.51 | simplechat_ | Apr 30 20:20:08 nas sshd[2813]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory ? |
| 10:26.03 | simplechat_ | ootput, they have pretty much identical sshd_configs |
| 10:26.13 | ootput | then check ownership/mode of ~/.ssh |
| 10:27.41 | simplechat_ | yeah |
| 10:27.41 | remoteCTR1 | works now? |
| 10:27.41 | simplechat_ | i own ssh |
| 10:27.42 | simplechat_ | .ssh |
| 10:27.44 | lillis | where do I configure the default bash colors |
| 10:27.46 | simplechat_ | and its mod 755 (just like the other file) |
| 10:27.48 | lillis | like blue for directories etc |
| 10:27.59 | simplechat_ | and .ssh/authorized_keys is 755 too |
| 10:28.01 | simplechat_ | and also owned by me |
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| 10:28.38 | simplechat_ | remoteCTR1, failure :( |
| 10:28.54 | remoteCTR1 | simplechat_: do you happen to have an ldap based authentication running on that server? |
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| 10:29.22 | simplechat_ | nope |
| 10:29.31 | simplechat_ | just pubkey and normal plaintext authentication |
| 10:29.37 | simplechat_ | pubkey always fails and it falls back to plaintext |
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| 10:29.46 | simplechat_ | but i have exactly the same auth on two server |
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| 10:29.50 | remoteCTR1 | plaintext works? |
| 10:30.21 | simplechat_ | yeah |
| 10:30.28 | remoteCTR1 | strange... |
| 10:30.34 | unixluser | simplechat_: you sure pubkey auth is enabled, and not just commented out with = yes? |
| 10:30.45 | simplechat_ | debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
| 10:30.45 | simplechat_ | debug1: Next authentication method: password |
| 10:30.58 | superdump | Manoj: ping? |
| 10:31.11 | unixluser | simplechat_: is this a standard ~/.ssh/id_*sa key |
| 10:31.26 | simplechat_ | PubkeyAuthentication yes is the whole line |
| 10:31.40 | simplechat_ | unixluser, i had id_rsa.pub and id_rsa2.pub |
| 10:31.53 | unixluser | which are you using for both servers? |
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| 10:32.07 | saftsack | hi any udev freaks out there? |
| 10:32.23 | unixluser | what is a udev freak? |
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| 10:32.38 | remoteCTR1 | simplechat_: according to this your .ssh permissions might be too loose not to tight: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/problems/ |
| 10:33.02 | themill | simplechat_: check that $HOME is not writable by group or others. Check that id_rsa is not readable by group or others. |
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| 10:33.17 | simplechat_ | themill, on my own computer? |
| 10:33.18 | remoteCTR1 | there we go... |
| 10:33.21 | simplechat_ | or the other computer? |
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| 10:33.27 | unixluser | on the client |
| 10:33.32 | saftsack | unixluser, i want to ask how i can numberin a device other than the kernel does it |
| 10:33.34 | unixluser | pubkeys are supposed to be world-readable |
| 10:33.44 | themill | private keys are not, however |
| 10:33.46 | saftsack | SYMLINK+="%n" orientates itself on the kernel numbering |
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| 10:33.53 | unixluser | yay for common sense |
| 10:33.54 | remoteCTR1 | themill: seeing a chief rocker here, can you help me get pidgin updated so that it is not "too old" to connect to icq please? |
| 10:34.02 | simplechat_ | unixluser, client works for other servers |
| 10:34.05 | simplechat_ | with identical settings |
| 10:34.15 | unixluser | are the servers identical themselves? |
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| 10:34.33 | themill | remoteCTR1: aiui, pidgin in lenny is OK. make sure you're running version 2.4.3-4lenny1 |
| 10:34.34 | unixluser | or a variation of silly distros |
| 10:34.58 | remoteCTR1 | themill: err i am running lenny and i even have the backports enabled? |
| 10:35.20 | unixluser | remoteCTR1: does pidgin fail to connect with that same message? |
| 10:35.23 | themill | simplechat_: check $HOME, ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server too. |
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| 10:35.53 | remoteCTR1 | well for starters i cannot install the backports version of pidgin because of dependecy problems |
| 10:35.56 | simplechat_ | my home dir is chmod 777? |
| 10:36.07 | simplechat_ | drwxrwxrwx 89 alex alex 12K 2009-04-30 20:34 |
| 10:36.07 | unixluser | why? |
| 10:36.17 | simplechat_ | i probably did something earlier to do it |
| 10:36.31 | simplechat_ | ok |
| 10:36.35 | simplechat_ | i chmodded 755 it and now it works :) |
| 10:36.41 | simplechat_ | thanks everyone :D |
| 10:36.43 | simplechat_ | thanks unixluser :D |
| 10:36.56 | unixluser | welc |
| 10:37.51 | lxsameer | hi people how can i use bugziila in debian ( i mean the debian maintain version)? |
| 10:37.56 | remoteCTR1 | themill: can you have a look at this please: http://pastebin.com/m16d8b16d |
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| 10:38.23 | ootput | ah, you're on ubuntu |
| 10:38.46 | remoteCTR1 | who is on ubuntu? |
| 10:39.17 | ootput | misread. which repos are you using? |
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| 10:39.42 | remoteCTR1 | ootput: who are you talking to please? |
| 10:39.58 | AliG | Hi guys |
| 10:40.15 | AliG | Hello Ian how a u...? Mart here :-) |
| 10:40.20 | unixluser | apparently to someone not listening :D |
| 10:40.29 | AliG | remoteCTR1: to all of u :-) |
| 10:40.30 | unixluser | hehe |
| 10:40.37 | remoteCTR1 | unixluser: y<a maybe he is even talking to you :D |
| 10:40.38 | AliG | hahaha |
| 10:40.41 | AliG | Jak sie macie ? |
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| 10:41.17 | remoteCTR1 | ok and themill gone again.... *sigh* |
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| 10:42.59 | MrWax | is it possible to make swap space after debian is already installed on the partition? |
| 10:43.09 | MrWax | (and all spce on the hdd is already partitioned) / |
| 10:43.15 | petemc | MrWax: you can use a swap file |
| 10:43.15 | Guerin | MrWax: yes, use a swapfile |
| 10:43.54 | MrWax | is this always recomendable ? |
| 10:43.59 | MrWax | i have 2gb ram now |
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| 10:44.23 | petemc | its better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it |
| 10:44.30 | Guerin | seconded |
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| 10:46.06 | DonAlex | Morning All.. |
| 10:46.54 | DonAlex | Just a quick question because it is driving me nuts. What has happened to the mounting of /proc/bus/usb in Debian and 2.6.29? |
| 10:47.16 | DonAlex | Try as i might I cannot seem to mount usbfs with group perms? |
| 10:47.31 | DonAlex | this is manually from the shell too! |
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| 10:48.18 | nkuttler | DonAlex: works just fine here. debian kernel? |
| 10:48.44 | remoteCTR1 | gawd 900 ppl in the channel and no freaking body willing to help fix a damned broken dependencies problem |
| 10:49.30 | DonAlex | nkuttler: Well a git kernel compiled the Debian way. ;) |
| 10:49.43 | DonAlex | nkuttler: Vanilla 2.6.29 though |
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| 10:50.09 | superdump | does anyone know what script needs to be put into /etc/kernel somewhere to build the initramfs 'image'? |
| 10:50.14 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: are you using ubuntu? |
| 10:50.30 | nkuttler | DonAlex: i'd guess you forgot to compile something |
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| 10:51.18 | DonAlex | nkuttler: Well the fact is I try and mount it manually and it just seems to ignore any of the options. |
| 10:51.30 | DonAlex | nkuttler: that is what is throwing me.. |
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| 10:52.30 | DonAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.38 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: if i used ubuntu i'd be asking in #ubuntu, right?;) |
| 10:52.56 | DonAlex | ought to mount that with perms right? |
| 10:53.01 | MrWax | At installing debian, is it which options are recommended to install ? I can install all later on also easily right besides the core system (for example, i have now ticked Desktop Environment and Standard System as to install, what does standard system consist of?) |
| 10:53.20 | asd | what the "make dep" function is when complied the kenrel ? |
| 10:53.36 | DonAlex | It doesn't complain. just mounts it root.root 640 |
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| 10:55.18 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: i think you'd ask here for help because #ubuntu can't help you.. |
| 10:55.32 | ootput | superdump: there are sample scripts provided |
| 10:55.37 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: and your paste indicates you're using ubuntu, so we can't help.. |
| 10:55.42 | superdump | ootput: yes, so i see |
| 10:55.56 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: kschinki@jay:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:55.56 | remoteCTR1 | 5.0.1 |
| 10:56.00 | superdump | but the initramfs related ones seem to already be in place |
| 10:56.22 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.5.5-z) but 1:2.5.5-1ubuntu3~pidgin15.8.04 is to be installed |
| 10:56.25 | superdump | but it looks to me like all they do is un/install initramfs 'images' if they're present |
| 10:56.26 | ootput | superdump: what do you have atm in postinst.d? |
| 10:56.35 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: you get extra bonus points for mixing ubuntu with debian backports... |
| 10:56.50 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: what the..??? |
| 10:56.57 | superdump | ootput: a script called initramfs-tools |
| 10:57.02 | ootput | nkuttler: apparently he's not using ubuntu |
| 10:57.09 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: paste your sources.list |
| 10:57.18 | ootput | i asked for his sources list too |
| 10:57.26 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: sec pls |
| 10:57.32 | nkuttler | ootput: what then, did etch have ubuntu labeled package versions? |
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| 10:57.42 | superdump | that script contains an update-initramfs -c -t -k "$1" line |
| 10:57.47 | ootput | nkuttler: the sky is falling |
| 10:57.59 | superdump | i think $1 is the kernel version looking at the script |
| 10:58.16 | ootput | superdump: you'd need more than that |
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| 10:58.21 | superdump | so i thought |
| 10:58.26 | ootput | superdump: which release? |
| 10:58.28 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/m226e16bf |
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| 10:58.45 | superdump | ootput: of kernel-package or debian? 12.001 and testing respectively |
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| 10:59.24 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: as you can see we got our own repository, but there is for 100% sure no ubuntu package in there |
| 10:59.49 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: apt-cache policy pidgin-data |
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| 11:00.18 | superdump | ootput: the initramfs script in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/etc/kernel/postinst.d doesn't seem to contain too much more |
| 11:00.24 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: what can be is that this comes from the following: whe i was still on etch i tried to download pidgin from pidgin.im there are only redhat and ubuntu versions there, but i wasnt able to install that anyways as glibc diodnt match |
| 11:00.27 | zakame | hello |
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| 11:01.10 | superdump | ootput: it looks like at most it adds -b /path/to/vmlinuz/dir to the end of the update-initramfs command |
| 11:01.13 | zakame | does lenny's nvidia-glx work on a syncmaster lcd connected to a geforce 8600gt via dvi? |
| 11:01.14 | ootput | remoteCTR1: that was hard to read |
| 11:01.40 | ootput | superdump: have a read through the other samples |
| 11:01.47 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: i don't get it: http://pastebin.com/m4731c58b |
| 11:02.03 | ootput | superdump: you'd need to as one of 'em references lilo, which you may or may not have |
| 11:02.15 | superdump | i don't |
| 11:02.20 | superdump | grub |
| 11:02.21 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: um, did you apt-get update? |
| 11:02.26 | MrWax | At installing debian, is it which options are recommended to install ? I can install all later on also easily right besides the core system (for example, i have now ticked Desktop Environment and Standard System as to install, what does standard system consist of?) |
| 11:02.40 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: if i purge this and reinstall it from lenny backports that should do the job? |
| 11:02.54 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: yes i did as i inserted the backports only an hour ago... |
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| 11:03.50 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: yeah, purge that and everything else you pulled in from ubuntu |
| 11:04.07 | moss23 | hi, anybody know how can I "route add" rule at the top of the routing table ? |
| 11:04.15 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: ok will do but yet still i have no freaking idea where that ubuntu crap comes from -.- |
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| 11:04.48 | moss23 | everytime I add it, it goes on second position and the rule above is applied before this one |
| 11:04.49 | mosno | OpenTokix: re. libc6-xen for Dom0: so if i use the default libc6 on my Dom0, that is slower? |
| 11:04.58 | mosno | OpenTokix: and are there any other pros/cons? |
| 11:05.00 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: ootput thanks so far guys i even didn't realize when reading the error message... report back later |
| 11:05.21 | ootput | remoteCTR1: Canonical... |
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| 11:08.25 | unixluser | hmm. do you guys think he was actually using ubuntu repo, and changed that paste to hide it? |
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| 11:09.32 | ootput | potentially |
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| 11:10.27 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: ok now i got it installed and it still tells me that my client is too old for icq rrrrrrrrr |
| 11:10.45 | ootput | superdump: fwiw, i have force-build-link, grub_conf, initramfs, initramfs-tools, symlink_hook |
| 11:10.49 | remoteCTR1 | and it is still version 2.4.1 |
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| 11:11.54 | remoteCTR1 | this is really driving me nuts |
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| 11:13.59 | superdump | ootput: so you just copied across all the scripts from /usr/share/doc? |
| 11:14.05 | superdump | none of those contain mkinitramfs |
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| 11:14.17 | superdump | it doesn't look like there's an example for it |
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| 11:15.13 | ootput | how are you building your kernel? |
| 11:15.51 | superdump | using make-kpkg |
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| 11:15.58 | superdump | with --initrd |
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| 11:16.33 | superdump | Manoj said that there should be an example script to create whatever initramfs stuff is necessary |
| 11:17.50 | pandator | hello. how do I change a user's login name without changing anything other than the name itself? |
| 11:17.52 | ootput | iirc, Manoj maintains those scripts |
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| 11:18.00 | ootput | so i wouldn't be surprised if he was right |
| 11:18.11 | creator-cdsc | my wireless card is Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG but i think the drivers are not loaded, how can i install the drivers? |
| 11:18.53 | superdump | ootput: indeed, so i see from looking at them |
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| 11:19.02 | bzed | Manoj: imho the default for --initrd should be to use update-initramfs on install, as this is what all other tools do |
| 11:19.06 | pandator | creator-cdsc: the drivers are inside the kernel, you don't need to load them. you need to load, however, the firmware. google ipw2200 firmware |
| 11:19.10 | ootput | superdump: you'll figure it out. you're a bright enough chap |
| 11:19.15 | ootput | as long as you're reading |
| 11:19.17 | superdump | heh |
| 11:19.41 | pandator | creator-cdsc: I have the same card |
| 11:19.43 | superdump | i am, but i don't see mkinitramfs anywhere, so unless make-kpkg checks for initramfs and uses it... |
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| 11:20.07 | creator-cdsc | pandator: when i say run iwconfig it shows me lo eth0 and irda0 all with no wireless extensions |
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| 11:20.22 | creator-cdsc | pandator: how do i access the wireless networks? |
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| 11:20.45 | pandator | creator-cdsc: are you running debian? |
| 11:20.54 | creator-cdsc | pandator: yes, debian lenny |
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| 11:21.22 | petemc | !ipw2200 |
| 11:21.22 | dpkg | well, ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required. Lenny: Add <non-free sources> and install the 'firmware-ipw2x00' package. Etch: Download firmware v3.0 from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and extract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 11:21.44 | zakame | !nvidia |
| 11:21.44 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 11:21.55 | pandator | creator-cdsc: OK, first thing you need to get the firmware for your 2200 card. Then you need to copy it to where it says in the readme... |
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| 11:22.18 | pandator | creator-cdsc:...if you did it right you should see the firmware loaded in your dmesg |
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| 11:22.41 | pandator | creator-cdsc: then your card will show up in iwconfig or whatever you use |
| 11:23.01 | creator-cdsc | pandator: ok, the firmwire-ipw2200 package? |
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| 11:23.42 | pandator | creator-cdsc: well I did it manually but apparently there is a package, I suggest you start with that |
| 11:23.51 | creator-cdsc | pandator: ok |
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| 11:24.49 | pandator | creator-cdsc: reboot after you install it and check the dmesg for signs of the firmware being loaded |
| 11:25.03 | petemc | reboot? |
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| 11:25.13 | petemc | that shouldnt be necessary |
| 11:25.30 | pandator | petemc: well as I said I did a manual install, YMMV with the package |
| 11:25.45 | pandator | creator-cdsc: OK, nevermind the reboot advice |
| 11:25.47 | petemc | loading firmware doesnt need a reboot, ime |
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| 11:26.29 | creator-cdsc | how do i change my system proxy settings? i was behind a proxy server earlier, now i am directly connected to the internet |
| 11:26.33 | pandator | petemc: uhh, how do you actually load the fw after copying it under wherever? |
| 11:26.53 | abrotman | modprobe -r <module> ; modprobe <module> |
| 11:26.54 | petemc | pandator: unload and reload the module, if even that |
| 11:27.31 | pandator | ahh I see. I thought the only way was to get the system to detect and load it at startup |
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| 11:29.09 | lxsameer | is there any bug tracjing system that be easy to use |
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| 11:29.25 | abrotman | people claim bugzilla is |
| 11:29.48 | abrotman | my boss seems compatible with flyspray |
| 11:29.55 | lxsameer | abrotman: i get f***ed with bugzilla |
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| 11:32.16 | jigp | I just want to ask if irssi,btlbee is secured?what if the root will access my account?im using irssi,screen,btlbee with yahoo messenger...(account shell) |
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| 11:33.38 | hoxu | jigp, nothing will save you from the wrath of root |
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| 11:34.32 | jigp | hoxu : I see... :( so the root can access my personal chat for example I screen yahoo messenger and gtalk? |
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| 11:35.14 | ootput | jigp: yes |
| 11:35.18 | hoxu | jigp, root has pretty much access to every information you input in the system |
| 11:35.24 | hoxu | +bit of |
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| 11:36.21 | jigp | hoxu : better run it to my own box then :( |
| 11:36.49 | jigp | hoxu : the root know my ym password then and gtalk? huhuhu .... |
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| 11:38.10 | hoxu | jigp, you have to be able to trust the admins of systems you use. How much, depends on how much you value your data. If it's something like a university shell, laws should keep the admins at bay |
| 11:39.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:39.19 | abrotman | maybe you should ask him which country he's in first |
| 11:39.30 | jigp | hoxu: the box is in america. I am in davao city philippines. but he is my friend. but still I don't trust him.. |
| 11:40.03 | jigp | but im beginning to trust him though.he is very kind |
| 11:40.20 | creator-cdsc | pandator: i installed the firmware. things went well. eth1 is showing up on iwconfig |
| 11:40.42 | creator-cdsc | pandator: how do i now see the detected networks? |
| 11:40.50 | abrotman | man iwlist |
| 11:41.00 | pandator | creator-cdsc: you need a program for that |
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| 11:41.10 | flashthebios | have any laptop owners here updated (in the last 12 months) their Phoenix BIOS from a running gnu/linux system? o perhaps from a bootable usb pendrive??? |
| 11:41.19 | pandator | creator-cdsc: try wifi-radar |
| 11:41.35 | hoxu | jigp, it's up to you really, this is a social problem, not technical one... I'd use only disposable accounts on that system until there's reasonable amount of trust on the admin |
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| 11:43.08 | ootput | jigp: how about ssh'ing home and bitlbeeing from there? |
| 11:44.35 | jigp | ootput : I don't have internet in home.its very expensive internet here in davao city. I login in school and in my sis home |
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| 11:47.40 | pandator | hmm I didn't know about iwlist |
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| 11:48.20 | trupheenix | how do i load usb network modules? |
| 11:48.42 | jigp | hoxu ootput thanks for the info |
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| 11:49.38 | zhxk | does there have a pakage to irc server in debian package dispo? |
| 11:49.49 | ootput | many |
| 11:50.16 | zhxk | ootput:are you speaking to me? |
| 11:50.51 | pandator | does iwlist probe for networks or is it passive? |
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| 11:51.27 | lillis | Hm. So I have Debian installed with grub, and now I installed Win XP on another partition (same disk). |
| 11:51.48 | zhxk | how to search packages you want to install? |
| 11:51.55 | zhxk | how to search for packages you want to install? |
| 11:51.57 | lillis | Now it won't let me choose between the two OS:s, it just boots windows. Is it as simple as booting with a deb cd and reinstall grub? |
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| 11:52.00 | ootput | apt-cache search |
| 11:52.05 | lillis | zhxk: aptitude search |
| 11:52.18 | zhxk | thank you |
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| 11:53.08 | remoteCTR1 | ok pidgin 2.4.3 finally |
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| 11:53.14 | abrotman | lillis: should be |
| 11:53.19 | abrotman | !tell zhxk about search |
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| 11:55.29 | remoteCTR1 | now this really was some pesky effort here |
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| 11:55.58 | kees-jan | lillis: likely yes |
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| 11:56.08 | kees-jan | when installing windows, it tends to overwrite the master boot record |
| 11:56.43 | lillis | ah, that's what I figured |
| 11:56.45 | lillis | thanks :) |
| 11:56.49 | lillis | friggin windows.. |
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| 12:00.37 | shambat | I'm trying to host multiple sites on the same machine, I've set up the VirtualHost and enabled the site, where I set <VirtualHost *:8080> when I enter my IP address into the firefox bar, I only get the standard "It works!" from apache, and not the php file I'm asking for |
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| 12:03.29 | _Elros_ | i solved the problem...now my system boots well...bye |
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| 12:06.23 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: i got pidgin 2.4.3-4lenny1 running now and i still got the error message that my version is too old for icq, what i can i do now? |
| 12:06.57 | gonzaloaf | hi, I'm mounting in the /etc/fstab files a ext3 partition on /media/files with the defaults options, how can I give permissions to write on it to the normal users? |
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| 12:09.10 | Ryushin | Does anyone here know how to use git? I've downloaded Linus kernel source tree, and I want to put Anholt's tree over top of it. |
| 12:10.19 | ootput | Ryushin: #git |
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| 12:12.49 | Ryushin | output: okay, thanks. |
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| 12:19.08 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: paste command and error.. |
| 12:19.29 | nkuttler | remoteCTR1: oh, from pidgin? no idea about that |
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| 12:19.54 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: yeah keeps telling me it is to olld to connect to icq |
| 12:20.16 | remoteCTR1 | nkuttler: brand new debian yet still no connectivity... suxx... |
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| 12:20.32 | petemc | remoteCTR1: 2.5.5 is in lenny backports |
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| 12:21.43 | Dillizar | how can i know if i am using debian 4 or debian 5 i know by the kernels but i dont know their numbers so i can compare them |
| 12:22.02 | petemc | you can check your libc version |
| 12:22.08 | petemc | !version |
| 12:22.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 12:22.29 | remoteCTR1 | petemc: does that on work? |
| 12:22.37 | petemc | remoteCTR1: no idea |
| 12:22.50 | moss23 | hey, can you login to linkedin.com today and yesterday ? |
| 12:22.51 | remoteCTR1 | petemc: hd it installed previously and didnt seem to work that well also :D |
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| 12:23.14 | remoteCTR1 | try it out again, be bac in a few... |
| 12:23.39 | Phil4 | I'm attempting to find my onboard modem on Debian. Here is the output of linmodem's tool: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1721&key=7f4e09f5a994a |
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| 12:24.01 | Phil4 | can anyone perhaps suggest what /dev/ device, if any, I should use in the efax application to use that modem? |
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| 12:24.17 | trupheenix | can anyone help me to get my laptops memory card reader working? |
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| 12:24.35 | petemc | modems are typically on /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
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| 12:26.12 | Phil4 | that's the serial port, is it not? |
| 12:26.19 | petemc | it sure is |
| 12:26.21 | Phil4 | this is an onboard modem |
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| 12:26.53 | petemc | im not sure that makes a difference, but ive not used any onboard modems so i dont know for sure |
| 12:27.08 | Phil4 | I'll give it a blast |
| 12:27.08 | Phil4 | sec |
| 12:27.09 | petemc | i do know lots of onboard modems used not to work |
| 12:27.17 | superdump | ootput: it seems the initramfs script from the examples does it |
| 12:27.42 | superdump | just fyi |
| 12:28.53 | trupheenix | lenny better than jaunty. many unexpected things work out of the box. |
| 12:30.01 | superdump | let's see if it works... |
| 12:30.35 | abrotman | trupheenix: most of them just owrk .. what happens in dmesg when you stick a card in? |
| 12:30.45 | Dillizar | hey where should i install the grub in to the root partition or in MBR |
| 12:30.57 | trupheenix | abrotman: it worked!! :) |
| 12:31.03 | abrotman | okay then |
| 12:31.07 | trupheenix | abrotman: on Ubuntu i needed to install some seperate drivers |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | weird .. but okay |
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| 12:32.13 | Dillizar | any one |
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| 12:32.58 | nkuttler | Dillizar: your choice |
| 12:33.07 | jelly | Dillizar: mbr, esp. if there's no other operating system installed |
| 12:33.25 | Dillizar | nkuttler, kewl so mbr it is |
| 12:33.54 | Dillizar | is it possible to install the add/remove program like in ubuntu so i dont need to install them via terminal |
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| 12:35.09 | superdump | hmm |
| 12:35.30 | superdump | the nvidia drivers won't compile against this debian linux-source-2.6.29 |
| 12:35.45 | superdump | but the version of nvidia-kernel-common is the same in testing and unstable |
| 12:35.50 | Phil4 | none of the /dev/ttyS# devices will dial, petemc |
| 12:36.15 | zhxk | excuse me how to install a irc client on debian? |
| 12:36.39 | superdump | /usr/src/linux is linked to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.29 |
| 12:36.42 | Dillizar | damn copy/usr. this may takes time. be patient |
| 12:36.46 | petemc | Phil4: lots of onboard modems arent modems at all |
| 12:36.53 | Dillizar | Zharf, apt-get install Xchat |
| 12:37.01 | Dillizar | Zharf, apt-get install Xchat-gnome |
| 12:37.10 | Dillizar | Zharf, apt-get install xchat-gnome |
| 12:37.14 | Phil4 | they are what, petemc? |
| 12:37.22 | Dillizar | dunno if its with a capital x |
| 12:37.35 | petemc | Phil4: very simple sound cards, aiui - all the work is done in software |
| 12:37.36 | superdump | i'll try changing the symlink to the linux-headers that corresponds to my kernel |
| 12:37.43 | Phil4 | hrmmm, IC |
| 12:38.23 | superdump | !nvidia m-a |
| 12:38.23 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 12:39.41 | Dillizar | Zharf, did it work |
| 12:39.44 | Dillizar | :) |
| 12:40.32 | Dillizar | copy/usr. this may takes time. be patient, but i am waiting for 40 min now |
| 12:40.49 | superdump | hrm |
| 12:41.03 | superdump | seems to be api mismatches in some of the function calls between the nvidia module and the kernel stuff |
| 12:41.05 | superdump | :/ |
| 12:41.06 | zhxk | Dillizar:do you mention to me? |
| 12:41.35 | Dillizar | yes zhxk sorry |
| 12:41.36 | Dillizar | :D |
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| 12:42.09 | Aldus25 | hi, my debian remote server is suddenly rebooting without apparent reason. Which log files should I check to see what is going on? |
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| 12:42.25 | zhxk | Dillizar:thanks im trying |
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| 12:42.42 | Dillizar | zhxk, you are od kde or gnome |
| 12:43.01 | zhxk | Dillizar:gnome |
| 12:43.05 | Dillizar | try apt-get install konversation |
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| 12:43.10 | Dillizar | this is a good client |
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| 12:43.45 | zhxk | Dillizar:is it better than xchat? |
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| 12:44.32 | Dillizar | zhxk, no cuz doesnt have all the servers list like in xchat |
| 12:44.36 | Zharf | Dillizar, learn your tab completion |
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| 12:44.59 | Dillizar | Zharf, sorry mate i am sorry if i waked you :) |
| 12:45.28 | easyfit | hey, I'm trying to get xdmcp working and II've activated it in kdmrc (running kde) as well as removed the no listen tcp arg in xserverrc, but the X server still starts with the "no listen tcp" option... so is there anywhere else I need to deactivate it? |
| 12:45.42 | zhxk | Dillizart:it's ok, why do you mark me Zharf? |
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| 12:46.20 | zhxk | Dillizart:comprehend |
| 12:46.38 | Dillizar | ba oui |
| 12:47.36 | Dillizar | is going to take a shower if the usr is not copied till then i will kick my laptop |
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| 12:48.41 | zhxk | excuse me, how to speed download on aptitude install? |
| 12:48.54 | zhxk | excuse me, how to speedup downloading on aptitude install? |
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| 12:49.02 | OpenTokix | zhxk: get better connection? |
| 12:49.09 | Dillizar | zhxk, change your country :) |
| 12:49.14 | zhxk | OpenTokix:yes |
| 12:49.17 | OpenTokix | zhxk: and slect a good mirror |
| 12:49.26 | linux-in-vietnam | Excuse me! |
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| 12:49.42 | linux-in-vietnam | Can I install Lenny in ext4 partition? |
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| 12:50.06 | Dillizar | linux-in-vietnam, NO dont install it on ext4 its not stable |
| 12:50.26 | linux-in-vietnam | Thank you! |
| 12:50.53 | zhxk | is there a way to intergrate ariac2 to aptitude? |
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| 12:51.30 | Dillizar | linux-in-vietnam, ext4 is not stable for all linuxes :) |
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| 12:51.49 | OpenTokix | zhxk: what is ariac2? |
| 12:52.08 | zhxk | !ariac2 |
| 12:52.16 | Dillizar | zhxk, getdeb.org or smt like that |
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| 12:52.43 | Dillizar | try there |
| 12:52.57 | zhxk | OpenTokix:a multithread and multiconnection faste download tool |
| 12:53.11 | zhxk | OpenTokix:a multithreaded and multiconnectioned fast download tool |
| 12:53.39 | OpenTokix | zhxk: if you have the bandwidth, get a better mirror |
| 12:54.07 | OpenTokix | zhxk: checkout netselect-apt |
| 12:54.18 | OpenTokix | zhxk: http://www.reviewlinux.com/forums/news/12680-how-to-find-fastest-debian-apt-get-mirrors-with-netselect-apt.html |
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| 12:55.26 | zhxk | thank you, i'm reading |
| 12:55.42 | nightwish86 | zhxk: there is some way to integrate ariac2 with apt-get. In /usr/lib/apt/methods/ there are different methods for fetching the sources. Few years back I was messing with apt-get source code and there is a way to integrate other methods with it. That's all I know. |
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| 12:57.16 | phet | dpkg, apt-spy |
| 12:57.16 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 12:58.25 | phet | hello, I do now why exaile fails, any bug? |
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| 13:00.54 | abrotman | phet: what? |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | phet: the music tagger? |
| 13:01.14 | phet | ImportError: cannot import name feedparser |
| 13:01.23 | phet | exaile, to play music |
| 13:02.36 | zhxk | well, what is apt-spy? compared to netselect-apt |
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| 13:03.11 | Texou | hi |
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| 13:03.57 | jelly | zhxk: it's used for pretty much the same thing |
| 13:04.20 | Texou | how can I make the address om my scanner static? now it's /proc/bus/usb/002/003 but it was /proc/bus/usb/002/004 at previous boot... I'd like it to be always /proc/bus/usb/002/003 or 004. |
| 13:04.41 | zhxk | jelly:which one is better? |
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| 13:05.22 | jelly | zhxk: no idea, try them |
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| 13:05.56 | justin | Texou: why? |
| 13:06.54 | Texou | justin: because with virtualbox I want to use usbattach, and it needs address or uuid as argument. but if they change at every boot... boring to pass them every time |
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| 13:07.41 | justin | Texou: you can use lsusb to figure out the device |
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| 13:08.41 | Texou | justin: but lsusb doesn't print uuid and address. and it's the easiest way to use usbattach |
| 13:09.03 | justin | Texou: lsusb prints the bus and device... |
| 13:09.18 | Texou | justin: ah right |
| 13:09.29 | Texou | justin: but it changes at every boot :( |
| 13:09.37 | justin | you can just do lsusb -d 0xblahblah:0xblahblah |
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| 13:09.38 | Texou | especially the bus |
| 13:10.19 | justin | Texou: so? if there isn't an easier way of doing this(like with udev or something) just write a 2 line script to figure out the device and bus and make a link somewhere |
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| 13:10.48 | Texou | ah yes |
| 13:10.50 | Texou | why not |
| 13:11.03 | Texou | I had not thought of this |
| 13:12.16 | Texou | justin: how can I write a script which says: "take on line x columns y to z and put in a variable" |
| 13:12.38 | phet | Texou, try bash |
| 13:12.53 | Texou | ok |
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| 13:13.11 | Texou | I'm not great in bash shell script for this kind of instructions but... |
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| 13:13.31 | ootput | Texou: cut head |
| 13:13.36 | Dillizar | whooooooohooooooooo debian installed now to see if it will boot at all |
| 13:13.37 | Dillizar | :D |
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| 13:13.52 | zhxk | it's hard to choose between konversation and xchat, what to do then? |
| 13:14.00 | Texou | ootput: what do you mean? |
| 13:14.04 | mosno | zhxk: konv |
| 13:14.25 | Dillizar | lol zhxk |
| 13:14.26 | Dillizar | well |
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| 13:15.00 | Dillizar | i like xchat cuz its showing me if i had misspelled a word or smt like that |
| 13:15.09 | Dillizar | and i have all the servers |
| 13:15.45 | Dillizar | zhxk, and konversation comes only with freenode |
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| 13:15.48 | ootput | Texou: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Shell_tutorial_part_2 |
| 13:15.57 | justin | Dillizar: I do not think that the spell checker is working correctly |
| 13:16.06 | Texou | I look |
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| 13:16.27 | Dillizar | justin, lol maybe your english is not that good :P |
| 13:16.53 | justin | Dillizar: 'cuz' and 'smt' are not english words |
| 13:17.09 | Dillizar | lol |
| 13:17.30 | Dillizar | dunno and lemme are not too but they are amercian i think |
| 13:17.57 | ootput | which nationality is that? |
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| 13:18.42 | ootput | mavis beacon teaches typing |
| 13:18.42 | ranix | I think that's aolese |
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| 13:19.24 | ranix | they're a small nationality that was absorbed by an oligarchial hostile state |
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| 13:19.50 | Dillizar | lol |
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| 13:19.58 | ranix | lately, there've been talks to separate the original aol from its oppressors, but there are already too many aolese refugees |
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| 13:20.02 | wsxsw | hi all |
| 13:20.09 | ranix | !hi wsxsw |
| 13:20.27 | wsxsw | is the a command to list all files inluding all subdirs ? |
| 13:20.50 | wsxsw | (ls -R just shows one sub, but not the subs under the sub) |
| 13:21.19 | wsxsw | oops. my nick is mixed up |
| 13:21.33 | ootput | a does not list recursive |
| 13:21.43 | justin | msaizar: just run 'find' |
| 13:21.44 | stew | wsxsw: find |
| 13:21.47 | ootput | only one-level deep if: $ls -a path/ |
| 13:23.26 | wsxws | find ? |
| 13:23.37 | ranix | wsxws: find |
| 13:23.50 | wsxws | cool |
| 13:23.52 | ranix | not to be confused with nifd, or dinf |
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| 13:24.01 | wsxws | is there a way to make it files only ? |
| 13:24.06 | stew | wsxws: find -type f |
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| 13:24.08 | ranix | -type f |
| 13:24.08 | wsxws | not the emtpy pathes ? |
| 13:24.16 | wsxws | ah |
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| 13:24.39 | ranix | there's also a useful -maxdepth option |
| 13:25.04 | wsxws | great, thats exact the command i was looking for |
| 13:25.07 | wsxws | thanks |
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| 13:25.15 | superdump | hmm |
| 13:25.17 | zhxk_ | well, i'm going to think if it's possible to have windows erased from my computer. |
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| 13:25.25 | ranix | shred |
| 13:25.34 | ranix | that will erase windows quite thoroughly |
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| 13:27.04 | superdump | it seems there are patches on pkg-nvidia-devel ( http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nvidia-devel/2009-April/001254.html ) for getting nvidia drivers to compile against 2.6.29 |
| 13:27.14 | superdump | but, to what do they apply? |
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| 13:27.31 | superdump | does lennart sorenson hang around here? |
| 13:27.35 | Joelio | Hi all, I've just installed lenny amd64 with lvm, but after rebooting, it appears the lvm paths won't mount. I presume the cd became /dev/sda during install, with the raid array as /dev/sdb. Whereas now it's /dev/sda.. so the lvm is broken. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 13:28.00 | ranix | Joelio: check the kernel option for "root=/dev/foo" |
| 13:28.08 | zhxk | well, precisely i'm thinking if it's suitable to make a scheduale to have windows go away from harddisk |
| 13:28.13 | Joelio | ranix, it's lvm? |
| 13:28.14 | justin | Joelio: lvm doesn't care about device paths |
| 13:28.28 | Joelio | ok, I'll take a look |
| 13:28.34 | ootput | zhxk: cron mke2fs -j |
| 13:28.38 | ranix | Joelio: you can manually edit it with 'e' in grub, then alter /boot/grub/menu.lst later |
| 13:28.42 | frostschutz | Joelio: lvm doesn't really care about sda or sdb, unless you restricted your lvm.conf to specific devices only |
| 13:28.55 | justin | Joelio: are you getting some kind of ERROR? |
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| 13:29.27 | ranix | Joelio: if you feel very giving, could you file a bug report against the installer? lots of people have been having this problem lately |
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| 13:31.37 | Joelio | ranix: As I thought, it's using devmapper |
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| 13:31.53 | Joelio | so it's root=/dev/mapper/name-root |
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| 13:32.28 | Joelio | I can't remap that, what I need to do is work out where lvm maps to the device and change the path and regen initramfs |
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| 13:33.16 | Joelio | Strange this only happens with Poweredge 2950's.. everything else is fine |
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| 13:34.41 | techouse | has anyone got any idea how i could grep something from a file that between xml tags? like <option>word1</option> and i need word1 |
| 13:34.51 | petemc | Joelio: did you add firmware from a usb key during the install ? |
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| 13:35.08 | techouse | the xml has many diff. tags so it's probably best that i grep what's inside > < |
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| 13:35.10 | Joelio | petemc: Yes, I did.. got a Qlogic FCA in there and Broadcom adapters |
| 13:35.11 | trupheenix1 | i'm facing a weird problem when formatting my sd card. i created two partitions on it using fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 but after that when i do fdisk -l it shows me three devices /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2. as a result, i am not able to format these partitions. |
| 13:35.29 | Joelio | petemc: Maybe that's what reordered the device nodes? |
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| 13:35.46 | petemc | Joelio: i believe it is |
| 13:36.02 | Joelio | petemc: Aware of a fix? |
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| 13:36.09 | petemc | not off the top of my head |
| 13:36.19 | Joelio | bummer |
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| 13:36.50 | Joelio | vents, damn you untainted kernel nirvana! |
| 13:36.52 | justin | trupheenix1: what do you mean "as a result"? |
| 13:38.27 | trupheenix1 | justin: hmmm i cannot get mkfs to work on the partitions |
| 13:38.35 | justin | trupheenix1: why not? |
| 13:38.38 | trupheenix1 | justin: because /dev/mmcblk0 is formatted as ext2 |
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| 13:39.25 | justin | trupheenix1: and..? |
| 13:39.29 | jelly | trupheenix1: unformat it? |
| 13:39.34 | trupheenix1 | justin: how? |
| 13:40.07 | justin | trupheenix1: this is the part where you pastebin your terminal session so someone can figure out wtf you are talking about |
| 13:40.17 | trupheenix1 | justin: OK |
| 13:40.28 | jelly | trupheenix1: wiping the beginning of the device with zeroes and making the kernel reread the partition table |
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| 13:40.52 | _luiz | hello, i've been using apt-cacher-ng for a while... but recently i've got problems with the proxy configuration... my web proxy and my apt-cacher-ng are different machines and when someone configure their env to use the web proxy, the synaptic cannot use the apt-cacher-ng proxy... |
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| 13:41.05 | jelly | trupheenix1: you'll have to remake the partitions as well after that |
| 13:41.43 | _luiz | there are some way to force apt to *always* use a specific proxy address instead the env http_proxy? |
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| 13:42.20 | justin | _luiz: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 13:42.36 | _luiz | justin: i am using that |
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| 13:42.50 | _luiz | but IF i have a http_proxy, apt will use http_proxy instead... |
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| 13:43.01 | trupheenix1 | justin: http://pastebin.ca/1408442 |
| 13:43.21 | _luiz | and apt will ignore the Acquire::http::... |
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| 13:44.37 | justin | trupheenix1: yeah.. i'd zero out the beginning of the drive and repartition it, that should work |
| 13:45.12 | flower | how do I unmount stuff? |
| 13:45.29 | Sebboh | with the unmount command. |
| 13:45.37 | justin | Sebboh: what unmount command? |
| 13:45.51 | Sebboh | umount ;P |
| 13:46.36 | trupheenix1 | justin: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 13:47.13 | justin | trupheenix1: yeah, though you can probably get away with bs=1M count=16 |
| 13:48.34 | [kapal] | Is it possible to install debian 5.0 stable on software-raid 1 with debian-installer on two disks? I mean not manually using console, which i managed, but using the default ncurses gui? I've seen an option while partitioning disks ("Use as raid" or sth), but I was unable to create raid partitions and then ext3 filesystem on it. Can anyone be so kind to help me or just point a good howto (which i cannot find using google:P)? |
| 13:49.55 | OpenTokix | [kapal]: yes |
| 13:50.13 | Joelio | petemc: ranix: I've used this before http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/#using_uuids - for fixing encrypted lvm, but this doesn't work for non-encrypted (as there's no /etc/crypttab) |
| 13:50.55 | Joelio | really annoyed with this, the debian installer always does it.. did it with etch too and non-lvm installs.. perpetually fixing broken fstabs etc.. |
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| 13:51.22 | Joelio | There must be some kernel parameter to pass to the install kernel to force it to bind the harddisk/array to /dev/sda |
| 13:51.23 | adb | trumpen: /dev/mmcblk0p2 is only an extended partition , must make at least an partition in , use mkfs.ext2 for ext2 filesystem and fsck.vfat for fat, install dosfstools for that |
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| 13:51.39 | justin | Joelio: lvm does not care about sda/sdb |
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| 13:51.48 | [kapal] | OpenTokix: Im not a debian newbe, but i still cannot do this with debian-installer, can you elaborate, what is the trick to install it? |
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| 13:52.04 | daMull | hi folks, got a strange issue with a iptables script .. |
| 13:52.12 | OpenTokix | [kapal]: 1. create raid partitions, 2. create raid, 3. mount points etc. |
| 13:52.13 | Joelio | justin: well where it trying to pull in /dev/sdc1 for the lvm containter then? must be somewhere |
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| 13:52.28 | daMull | it does some filtering and obviously rejects packets from a specific host |
| 13:52.35 | Joelio | justin: /dev/sdc doesn't exist anymore.. /etc/fstab and menu.lst contain lvm paths |
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| 13:52.44 | adb | trupheenix1: ^^^ er mkfs.vfat |
| 13:52.48 | justin | Joelio: what is the error that you are getting? |
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| 13:53.06 | Joelio | justin: can't find /dev/sdc1.. |
| 13:53.14 | adb | trumpen: sorry |
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| 13:53.15 | daMull | i've logged such a packet, but am not knowlegeable enough to decide why this packet won't pass the firewall |
| 13:53.21 | justin | Joelio: the full error? |
| 13:53.36 | daMull | here is such a packet: |
| 13:54.14 | Aldus25 | Hi. I need to mount an usb drive to my Debian remote server, that is in another country. I'm newbye, coming from Windows. They say that they plugged the hdd to the server, but how to verify? I installed usbmount and udev and pmount. I have many directories in /media/ (usb0, usb1, etc.) but they look all writable, how I know if one of those is my disk? |
| 13:54.25 | daMull | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.26 | [kapal] | OpenTokix: what i did was, i switched to console while installing, created partitions with fdisk, then created raid and mounted :P, anyways thanks for the answer, i will try this when i have time on virtual machine :) |
| 13:54.27 | abrotman | Aldus25: dmesg .. do you see it? |
| 13:54.43 | Aldus25 | dmesg outputs 100000 things |
| 13:54.46 | daMull | can someone tell me if there is something obviously wrong with that? |
| 13:54.56 | Aldus25 | ah, I see it abrotman |
| 13:55.26 | petemc | daMull: do you have rules in place to block packets to port 80 ? |
| 13:55.35 | Aldus25 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aEcUon7Klb |
| 13:55.41 | Aldus25 | here is the output of the usb part |
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| 13:55.55 | petemc | daMull: also, your question is spread over many lines,it makes it very hard for people to follow |
| 13:56.04 | daMull | petemc: sorry |
| 13:56.23 | daMull | should I repeat it? or is that considered spamming? |
| 13:56.42 | petemc | daMull: do you have rules in place to block packets to port 80 ? |
| 13:56.47 | Aldus25 | abrotman: any guess about how to go on? |
| 13:56.58 | daMull | petemc: not for that destination ip |
| 13:57.15 | daMull | other hosts can access that port |
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| 13:57.40 | daMull | I have just the problem from _one_ subnet/host |
| 13:57.47 | dantti | question i've just installed lenny and installed linux-image-2.6-xen-686 / is reiserfs but when rebooting i gor file format invalid, using file on /boot/vm..xen says it's a gzip file, someone knows if i missed some step? |
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| 13:58.26 | talexb | Are package names in the DEBIAN/control file case-sensitive? |
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| 13:58.40 | talexb | I thought they weren't .. |
| 13:58.49 | zubaca | i can't settup wireless internet in lenny 5.0.1 with KDE 3.5.10 |
| 13:58.56 | Joelio | justin: found it! It was /boot complaining, not the lvm's.. doh! Cheers for the push in the right direction :) |
| 13:59.10 | Joelio | still think this is a problem with the installer though |
| 13:59.14 | justin | Joelio: lol, if you say so |
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| 13:59.32 | Aldus25 | can someone help me with a simple mounting of usb drive under debian? The result of dmesg about that drive is here: http://www.nopaste.com/p/aEcUon7Klb |
| 13:59.37 | petemc | dantti: did you install a hypervisor? the best method is to use the xen-linux-system meta packages |
| 13:59.39 | justin | Joelio: probably, does lenny not setup fstab with UUIDS by default? I think ubuntu has been doing that for a few releases now |
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| 14:00.53 | frostschutz | Aldus25: so it's detected as /dev/sdb? what's the problem? |
| 14:00.56 | jamon | i understand the use for a uuid, but i can't f'ing stand looking at a system and having to figure out what is mounted where versus just reading a straight fstab |
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| 14:01.08 | abrotman | Aldus25: for example .. mkdir /media/usbdrive .. mount -t auto/dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive |
| 14:01.09 | dantti | petemc: no i didn't, is this normal? shouldn't be a dependency? |
| 14:01.12 | abrotman | erm .. auto / |
| 14:01.19 | Aldus25 | thanks abrotman, trying |
| 14:01.20 | daMull | petemc: here is the firewall : http://pastebin.com/m5a823906 |
| 14:01.30 | abrotman | Aldus25: notice i missed a space after auto |
| 14:01.35 | Aldus25 | can I make mkdir /usb instead of /media/usbdrive? |
| 14:01.36 | petemc | dantti: no, some people may just want the kernel |
| 14:01.41 | Aldus25 | yes I noticed thanks |
| 14:01.48 | dantti | petemc: hmm i see, thanks :D |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | Aldus25: you can put the mount point anywhere you like |
| 14:02.22 | Aldus25 | abrotman: "you must specify the filesystem type" |
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| 14:02.37 | daMull | petemc: and the target IP is one of the natted ips and the port is open (as I told earlier, connection from other external hosts work fine) |
| 14:02.37 | Aldus25 | should be ntfs |
| 14:02.39 | abrotman | Aldus25: -t auto should guess it |
| 14:02.58 | Aldus25 | mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /usb/ -----> mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:03.35 | petemc | when is -t auto necessary? if mount can guess, it should do so without it |
| 14:03.39 | abrotman | you could try -t ntfs |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | petemc: apparently it can't guess |
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| 14:03.48 | abrotman | Aldus25: this is Debian? |
| 14:03.58 | Aldus25 | abrotman it's debian |
| 14:04.25 | frostschutz | Aldus25: or -t ntfs-3g if you're using this (for read-write ntfs support) |
| 14:04.30 | Aldus25 | abrotman: dell:/media# mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /usb/ ----> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 14:04.36 | Aldus25 | frostschutz: trying |
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| 14:04.49 | tonsofpcs | I am trying to create a dialup server that will accept connections from an autoanswer modem, connect ppp over this link, then route IP traffic from the link NAT to the local ethernet network. I have connections being accepted by mgetty, ppp is connecting, i can ping both sides from each other, but I cannot seem to figure out how to properly NAT. Is there a good HOW-TO for this or something blatently obvious that I may be missing? ( |
| 14:04.50 | frostschutz | Aldus25: so it's not partitioned? what does file -s /dev/sdb give you? |
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| 14:04.56 | tonsofpcs | I have iptables installed, ip_forward for ipv4 set to 1, just tried ipmasq and it doesn't seem to be helping... |
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| 14:04.59 | Aldus25 | it's totally formatted I guess |
| 14:05.17 | Aldus25 | hem... "/dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0x3a2dafcd" |
| 14:05.29 | trupheenix1 | justin: taking me hell lot of time to zero out the drive :| |
| 14:05.38 | justin | trupheenix1: you only had to do the beginning! |
| 14:05.53 | trupheenix1 | justin: oh ... :| stupid me |
| 14:05.56 | frostschutz | Aldus25: that's all? :-/ |
| 14:06.00 | Aldus25 | frostschutz: seems like yes |
| 14:06.09 | Aldus25 | I have no problems in re-formatting it |
| 14:06.13 | Aldus25 | if this could help |
| 14:06.21 | MrWax | I like to delete my debian partition or grub as MBR, and set the vista partition as that - how can i do this? |
| 14:06.22 | trupheenix1 | justin: so i can just Ctrl+C it now? |
| 14:06.26 | justin | trupheenix1: yes |
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| 14:06.50 | frostschutz | Aldus25: do you need read-write access on ntfs? (do you need ntfs at all?) |
| 14:07.10 | Aldus25 | frostschutz: I don't need ntfs I just want to use this disk as a backup unit |
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| 14:07.31 | petemc | MrWax: you would do that from within vista, or the vista install cd at least |
| 14:07.32 | Aldus25 | whatever it is |
| 14:07.41 | MrWax | petemc: ok |
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| 14:07.59 | frostschutz | Aldus25: in that case I'd recommend creating a partition with cfdisk and then using any linux filesystem of your choice... much less hassle than ntfs under linux :) |
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| 14:08.35 | Aldus25 | but with cfdisk I see only sda1 and sda5 |
| 14:08.52 | frostschutz | cfdisk /dev/sdb should let you create partitions on sdb |
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| 14:09.05 | Aldus25 | oh yes |
| 14:09.14 | frostschutz | if you're sure thats the right disk and there's no data on it you dont want to lose I hope :P |
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| 14:10.17 | Aldus25 | it is empty :) |
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| 14:10.49 | Aldus25 | should i make them primary or logical? |
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| 14:12.49 | Aldus25 | yeee i mounted it |
| 14:12.56 | Aldus25 | abrotman, frostschutz: thanks ! |
| 14:13.17 | demon_ | where is the trash on debian 5 |
| 14:13.27 | Aldus25 | but it doesn't let me write on the disk, says: "operation not permitted" |
| 14:13.52 | frostschutz | Aldus25: as root? |
| 14:14.08 | Aldus25 | yes |
| 14:14.16 | frostschutz | Aldus25: which filesystem are you using? |
| 14:14.29 | Aldus25 | i made the standard |
| 14:14.43 | frostschutz | what's that? :-/ |
| 14:14.51 | frostschutz | what does 'mount' without parameters say? |
| 14:15.00 | demon_ | where is the trash on debian 5 |
| 14:15.19 | Aldus25 | frostschutz: it says /dev/sdb1 on /usb type ntfs (rw) |
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| 14:15.53 | abrotman | demon_: depends on which DE you use |
| 14:16.18 | demon_ | i dont know what is DE but i am on xfce |
| 14:16.24 | trupheenix1 | justin: i'm still getting mkfs errors :( |
| 14:16.27 | hark | Aldus25: if you want to write, use ntfs-3g instead |
| 14:16.52 | justin | trupheenix1: did you make a primary parition, or is it still an extended one? |
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| 14:17.13 | trupheenix1 | justin: i made one primary partition and one extended one |
| 14:17.36 | justin | trupheenix1: try making 2 primary partitions? |
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| 14:18.18 | Aldus25 | hark: it's unknown filesystem type |
| 14:18.23 | flower | how can I copy the first column of an file? |
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| 14:19.01 | abrotman | flower: #bash is probably going to be more help .. but depends ont he file format |
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| 14:19.38 | talexb | I've googled a bit and haven't found an answer yet -- are package names in the DEBIAN/control file case sensitive? Does it have to be perl-dbi, or is perl-DBI OK? |
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| 14:20.42 | abrotman | talexb: i believe they are .. unix in general is case-sensitive |
| 14:21.23 | zubaca | hi. i'm using lenny 5.0.1, 32bit, 3.5.10 KDE, i tried to install driver and set up wireless internet and everything looked fine but i can't connect to the router |
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| 14:21.41 | talexb | abrotman Right, that makes sense. I just wish I could find some man page somewhere that confirms it. |
| 14:21.42 | zubaca | router or ADSL modem. don't know what's the difference :) |
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| 14:21.45 | trupheenix1 | justin: same problem |
| 14:21.50 | talexb | Thanks! |
| 14:21.55 | abrotman | talexb: maybe ask #debian-mentors on OFTC for a reference |
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| 14:22.14 | Aldus25 | i made it finally. Thank hark, very much |
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| 14:22.55 | e1luca | hi, I don't really feel ready for this but I'm about to take a leap of fate and switch from fedora to debian (being 100% newbie & atechnical). I'm on a Vaio with intel core 2 duo. What iso should I get? amd64, i386, or what? Tnx in advance |
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| 14:23.22 | trupheenix1 | justin: updated pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1408481 |
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| 14:23.23 | abrotman | e1luca: either i386 or amd64 should work |
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| 14:24.10 | e1luca | tnx abrotman. so it makes no difference... |
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| 14:24.29 | abrotman | it does .. but ultimately up to you |
| 14:24.31 | justin | trupheenix1: uhh, 'no such file or directory' means you still didn't install the dos filesystem tools package |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | but both will work |
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| 14:25.18 | e1luca | aha. so if I want 64bit I'll go with amd64 that's right? |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | right |
| 14:25.38 | trupheenix1 | justin: ok.. |
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| 14:25.46 | e1luca | k. tnx again |
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| 14:25.56 | trupheenix1 | dpkg dosfstools |
| 14:25.56 | dpkg | trupheenix1: I give up, what is it? |
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| 14:27.31 | rosea | how can I copy the first column of an file? |
| 14:27.36 | talexb | abrotman http://search.cpan.org/~whynot/Regexp-Common-debian-0.1.5/lib/Regexp/Common/debian.pm doesn't help either .. |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | flower: #bash is probably going to be more help .. but depends ont he file format |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | talexb: why would that help ? |
| 14:29.01 | flower | abrotman: it's an text file made by dpkg -set packages > packages |
| 14:29.17 | abrotman | not helping |
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| 14:31.05 | talexb | abrotman I'm still trying to find an answer, but reading further down the page it's leaning towards case sensitivity. |
| 14:31.19 | abrotman | said that |
| 14:31.29 | talexb | I've asked on OFCT/#debian-mentors but they're quiet right now. |
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| 14:31.37 | abrotman | oftc i hope you mean |
| 14:31.58 | talexb | ;) Yeah, that's the dyslexia popping up .. the medical condition that keeps on giving. |
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| 14:32.24 | talexb | I'll just go with case sensitivity. Thanks for your time, I appreciate it. |
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| 14:33.57 | iateadonut | my ssh and mount just stopped for some reason. i can still ping it... if it's not the firewall, what could it be? |
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| 14:34.13 | justin | iateadonut: what happens when you telnet to port 22? |
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| 14:35.24 | iateadonut | telnet? |
| 14:35.53 | Dassu | AARGH. Somebody else having problems with Iceweasel Consuming huge amounts of CPU power when playing video? (Flash, mplayer etc..) |
| 14:36.07 | justin | Dassu: flash is a piece of crap |
| 14:36.23 | iateadonut | opening the man file for that now, unless you want to tell me how to telnet. |
| 14:36.25 | Dassu | justin: THe problem is clearly with firefox |
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| 14:36.34 | justin | Dassu: no, the problem is flash |
| 14:37.06 | justin | playing a video with flash on my laptop takes 60% cpu, the same video with mplayer takes 3% |
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| 14:37.28 | Dassu | Well, then tell me why am I having same problem when firefox is using mplayer-plugin to display content ? |
| 14:37.30 | iateadonut | it says this: 10.0.0.1:22/telnet: Name or service not known |
| 14:37.32 | pobega | Dassu: Yep. Flash = 90% cpu usage here, Mplayer is far lower |
| 14:37.48 | justin | Dassu: are you using Xv output or X11 output? |
| 14:37.48 | pobega | Dassu: is it HD content? And what kind of computer are you on? |
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| 14:38.12 | justin | iateadonut: space, not : |
| 14:38.13 | Dassu | Well, I have no idea. BUt pretty sure it has to be XV because it is default |
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| 14:38.36 | iateadonut | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 14:38.38 | iateadonut | just that. |
| 14:38.41 | iateadonut | it's so strange. |
| 14:38.48 | justin | iateadonut: what did you type? |
| 14:39.00 | iateadonut | because mount and ssh were working a few days ago. |
| 14:39.03 | Dassu | justin: if mplayer-plugin uses same output as mplayer then yes. xv |
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| 14:39.14 | iateadonut | telnet 10.0.0.1 22 |
| 14:39.19 | Dassu | justin: but CPU load is just normal without firefox |
| 14:39.22 | justin | iateadonut: sshd isn't running then |
| 14:39.38 | iateadonut | i just restarted it on the other computer. |
| 14:39.52 | justin | Dassu: weird.. I used to use the mplayer plugin that you could tell to not embed in FF, it would just pop up in its own window |
| 14:39.58 | iateadonut | let me restart it again. |
| 14:40.40 | Dassu | justin: I'm using stable and there has been some reports of FF using 100% of CPU with version of 3.06 |
| 14:40.44 | Dassu | *3.0.6 |
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| 14:41.09 | Dassu | also using amd64 version |
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| 14:44.22 | talexb | abrotman I got the link http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Package which spells it out -- lower case only. |
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| 14:45.07 | abrotman | talexb: but is that because it's case-sensitive? |
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| 14:45.34 | techouse | anyone using gawk here? |
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| 14:46.57 | talexb | abrotman Yes, case-sensitive .. we have some internal packages that have mixed upper and lower case names, and they work fine. |
| 14:46.58 | petemc | techouse: lots of people |
| 14:47.28 | talexb | techouse I used awk a long time ago .. does that count? |
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| 14:47.44 | CuteAlien | hi! I remember I could change screen resolutions in my previous distro with 'ctrl'+'alt'+'-' and 'ctrl'+'alt'+'+'. I supose it's some X setting (or xorg.conf setting) or maybe the keys have changed. Anyone knows how I can enable that in lenny (with kde running)? |
| 14:48.08 | abrotman | CuteAlien: use xrandr |
| 14:48.44 | liable | still works here, but only for individual apps, ie if iceweasel is in focus |
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| 14:49.31 | maddash | !trigger |
| 14:49.40 | justin | maddash: fail |
| 14:49.49 | CuteAlien | abrotman, thanks. Seems to be replaced by x11-xserver-utils and I have already newester version there. |
| 14:49.58 | tech404 | CuteAlien, I find xvidtune to work great. You can take the output from it after you get it where you want and put it in xorg.conf to make it stay that way |
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| 14:50.26 | maddash | where are the dpkg trigger scripts located? ie, everytime I install/rm a pkg, I see "Processing triggers for menu ..." |
| 14:51.01 | CuteAlien | tech404, the thing is - I don't need it to stay but to correct the resolution after it's been messed up by some wine application without restarting the whole session :) |
| 14:51.07 | justin | maddash: so? |
| 14:51.20 | maddash | justin: 'so'? |
| 14:51.29 | justin | maddash: it's supposed to do that |
| 14:51.52 | maddash | justin: read the first half of my entry |
| 14:52.01 | maddash | that's my main question |
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| 14:52.36 | justin | maddash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 14:58.38 | wide | what can I use to capture/download flash that's playing in Iceweasel (with the serving ip unknown/obfuscated, like some video sites do) it's all just digits so it should be possible |
| 14:58.56 | justin | wide: try flashdot, or just urlsnarf+wget |
| 14:59.00 | justin | er, flashgot |
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| 14:59.10 | Trevelyan | Hi. I'm trying to compile a 32bit kernel (AMD Geode) on my 64bit system. How can I convice make-kpkg that it can use my normal gcc (propbably with -m32) and to stop trying to put some i486-blah- prefix on the gcc command ? |
| 14:59.26 | wide | justin, ok thanks i'll try it |
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| 14:59.46 | maddash | justin: thanks |
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| 15:00.58 | ajavid | good morning gang |
| 15:01.45 | ajavid | the highest rating video downloading firefox plugin works great on almost EVERY website with embedded video |
| 15:02.02 | ajavid | I forgot the name of it, look at most popular, and go through them, its in the first 20 |
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| 15:04.08 | ajavid | wide, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006 |
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| 15:05.14 | omakase | what does this mean: kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [1] SMP |
| 15:05.16 | datacrusher | http://www.cracked.com/article_17323_if-everything-was-made-by-microsoft.html |
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| 15:06.02 | ajavid | that would never happen |
| 15:06.15 | ajavid | I myself will get people together and file an anti trust law suit |
| 15:06.18 | ajavid | :D |
| 15:06.30 | jelly | omakase: you've stumbled onto a kernel bug. |
| 15:06.31 | sepult | omakase: it means, some user-space was attempting to use kernel-space without the rights for |
| 15:06.42 | jelly | omakase: (or your hardware is misbehaving) |
| 15:06.46 | kriebel | can `host` be made to just return an address, or list of addresses, instead of overly verbose lines from the zone file |
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| 15:07.22 | jelly | omakase: more context would be helpful |
| 15:07.54 | petemc | kriebel: you might want dig +short |
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| 15:08.04 | omakase | jelly: it happened on a machine in ec2, the same error was printed every 5 seconds and now the machine is unaccessible (that normally happens when it runs out of memory) |
| 15:08.05 | jelly | sepult: that's not what a mere userspace segfault detection looks like AFAIK |
| 15:08.50 | Bert_2 | Hi, I just found out that my debian server's HD is full, now I want to find out which directories are the biggest ATM, now I now apps like boabab can show that on the desktop, but is there a smilar command line utility (with for example HTML, text or gnuplot output) ? |
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| 15:09.02 | jelly | omakase: your virtual machine went byebye; do an equivalent of a powercycle |
| 15:09.20 | kriebel | Bert_2: `du -sk . | sort -n` |
| 15:09.55 | Bert_2 | kriebel: it only returns one line to me |
| 15:10.20 | kriebel | it should summarize every file or directory in the current working directory |
| 15:10.25 | kriebel | try it from / or /var |
| 15:10.31 | kriebel | ... as root |
| 15:10.40 | Bert_2 | kriebel: I'm in / as root and it says 2072949 . |
| 15:10.43 | kriebel | oh |
| 15:10.44 | Bert_2 | kriebel: that's it |
| 15:10.45 | kriebel | sorry |
| 15:10.48 | kriebel | du -sk * |
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| 15:11.36 | talexb | woo .. only 15 to go! |
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| 15:11.45 | Bert_2 | kriebel: is the returned size in KB ? |
| 15:11.59 | kriebel | Bert_2: yes, that's what -k stipulates |
| 15:12.02 | omakase | jelly: thanks |
| 15:12.17 | Bert_2 | kriebel: I guess -m gives it in megabyte |
| 15:12.40 | amgarching | if I run "screen" from a "screen" how do I open new shell in the inner screen? C-a c opens new shell of the outer. |
| 15:13.16 | kriebel | amgarching: crtl-a ctrl-a c or ctrl-a a c |
| 15:13.21 | kriebel | I forget |
| 15:13.41 | kriebel | Bert_2: read the man page for du, it's pretty tidy |
| 15:14.01 | Bert_2 | kriebel: I found it rather confusing (I'm not a native speaker, that might be it) |
| 15:14.02 | amgarching | kriebel: thanks, thats the latter, c-a c-a switches to the last window right away |
| 15:14.08 | kriebel | Bert_2: also, run `apt-get clean` or other housekeeping to free up some space, or your machine will crawl |
| 15:14.40 | Bert_2 | kriebel: I just noticed that me apt cache was huge, 263MB |
| 15:14.43 | Bert_2 | that explains a lot |
| 15:14.44 | kriebel | news flash: Linux is confusing. Filem at 11. |
| 15:14.54 | kriebel | *film |
| 15:15.03 | kriebel | 263 isn't that big, really |
| 15:15.25 | Bert_2 | kriebel: my server has only 2GB of HD and around 300MB is taken by swap |
| 15:15.37 | Bert_2 | kriebel: so 263MB is a lot to me :P |
| 15:15.46 | jelly | omakase: now, the cause of the kernel bug is uncertain; it could even be hosts' fault |
| 15:15.53 | kriebel | Bert_2: if that's not flash, you need to get hardware from after 1994 |
| 15:16.31 | jelly | kriebel: it could be a very small virtual machine |
| 15:16.53 | Bert_2 | kriebel: it's a VPS |
| 15:17.05 | Bert_2 | jelly: it is |
| 15:17.29 | jelly | Bert_2: apt-get clean or aptitude clean |
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| 15:17.45 | Bert_2 | jelly: done that, now I can receive mail again |
| 15:17.46 | jelly | oh, you were already told about it |
| 15:17.51 | Bert_2 | yes :D |
| 15:18.00 | jelly | Bert_2: you might also look at /var/log usage |
| 15:18.02 | Bert_2 | jelly: silly me forgot that it doesn't do that automatically |
| 15:18.21 | enouf | Bert_2: i use localepurge |
| 15:18.34 | jelly | !localepurge |
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| 15:18.37 | Bert_2 | jelly: yeah, I'm not sure whether I'm gonna delete logs after a few months, I like to keep the data for webalizer |
| 15:18.47 | Bert_2 | enouf: what's that, localepurge ? |
| 15:18.49 | enouf | !info localepurge |
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| 15:19.03 | Bert_2 | enouf: the bot seems unresponsive :P |
| 15:19.08 | jelly | it's just slow |
| 15:19.10 | enouf | patience |
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| 15:19.11 | nvz | I just burned a Lenny IA64 netinstall and it wont boot on a core 2 duo... should I be using AMD64 or will debian 64bit just not run on the duo? |
| 15:19.15 | jelly | judd: info localepurge |
| 15:19.16 | judd | jelly: localepurge (admin): is optional; Version: 0.5.9-0.2; Size: 37.2k; Installed: 156k -- Automagically remove unnecessary locale data |
| 15:19.24 | dpkg | localepurge: (Automagically remove unnecessary locale data), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.5.9-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 15:19.26 | jelly | enouf: judd's faster |
| 15:19.27 | petemc | nvz: amd64 |
| 15:19.30 | enouf | yeah |
| 15:19.34 | petemc | !ime |
| 15:19.35 | dpkg | ime is probably in my experience |
| 15:19.50 | nvz | petemc: figured, just didn't want to burn another one that didn't work |
| 15:19.51 | Bert_2 | enouf: I already found it in aptitude |
| 15:20.00 | decoder | nvz: AMD64 is the right one... IA64 is something completely different |
| 15:20.02 | kriebel | haha, people still make the IA64 mistake |
| 15:20.03 | nvz | is in a hurry to get back to doing nothing |
| 15:20.03 | enouf | so then don't ask |
| 15:20.35 | mavhc | more people download the ia64 version wrongly than rightly, it's just a bandwidth waste |
| 15:20.50 | jelly | Bert_2: if you're really pressed for space, you can wipe /usr/share/doc; I'd advise against that. |
| 15:21.00 | nvz | well its confusing because you see IA64 and think Intel 64-bit, and thats what you got.. then you google it and got forums saying amd64 is long gone.. |
| 15:21.08 | Bert_2 | jelly: yeah, I'm not gonna delete that |
| 15:21.23 | kriebel | eh, you can always read docs on another machine |
| 15:21.34 | Bert_2 | enouf: does localepurge do anything else than apt-get clean after every upgrade or install ? |
| 15:21.50 | kriebel | if you want really slim, the last thing you do is dpkg -r dpkg ;-) |
| 15:21.53 | jelly | Bert_2: it cleans something else |
| 15:22.11 | nvz | I just built a new machine here for the shop and had to put winxp pro on it, so I'm gonna setup a dual boot |
| 15:22.15 | Bert_2 | kriebel: I use different distros on my machines and sometimes have to use windows with putty, so I really need the docs |
| 15:22.18 | enouf | Bert_2: do you know what locale data is? |
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| 15:22.31 | Bert_2 | enouf: not really |
| 15:22.43 | nvz | Tired of working around all these windows machines.. heh |
| 15:23.19 | enouf | see /usr/share/locale/ |
| 15:23.49 | kriebel | nvz: install Debian and VirtualBox, and just leave Windows XP running full-screen when other people are using it |
| 15:24.19 | Bert_2 | enouf: ow, it cleans language stuff |
| 15:24.50 | kriebel | Bert_2: you might want someone to explain the aptitude way of doing what debfoster did to you |
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| 15:25.15 | kriebel | not me, since I'm old, and hate aptitude |
| 15:25.22 | Bert_2 | kriebel: okey |
| 15:25.37 | nvz | kriebel: well I'm the one here all day.. and I rather be taking advantage of my hardware |
| 15:25.59 | kriebel | petemc: thanks, that works great |
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| 15:27.43 | wsxws | ive got a problem, i lost 2 pathes /bin and /boot, is there a way to restore/repair this ? |
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| 15:32.02 | bstock | wsxws: not really, best bet is to setup another instance of the OS on a different hard drive and copy what you need from the drive with the lost directories |
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| 15:40.28 | kriebel | anyone actually in IT: given a choice between hardware and software RAID, which way do you lean? |
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| 15:42.46 | Trevelyan | I'm trying to install a kernel onto a system whose /boot is vfat. But I get this: |
| 15:42.47 | Trevelyan | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.29_2.6.29-10.00.Custom_i386.deb (--install): |
| 15:42.47 | Trevelyan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.47 | dpkg | trevelyan: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:43.11 | Trevelyan | and the install aborts |
| 15:43.53 | Trevelyan | how can I by pass this? |
| 15:44.03 | Trevelyan | --force-all didn't work |
| 15:44.04 | ariel_ | kriebel: I try to use hardware when I can. Depends on server and drivers. |
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| 15:44.35 | jmoncayo | the defual partitioning for debian is not good, my / is 98% full already :( |
| 15:45.39 | Trevelyan | http://paste.debian.net/34871/ |
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| 15:46.54 | petemc | jmoncayo: it recommends that people just use one large partition |
| 15:47.36 | jmoncayo | petemc: i used the different partitions entire disk |
| 15:47.53 | petemc | unlucky |
| 15:48.06 | Trevelyan | (grub does not support jffs2, so I'm sticking the kernel image & grub into my freedos partition, hence the vfat /boot) |
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| 15:49.17 | jmoncayo | petemc: is there no way to modify partitions? i am not using lvm |
| 15:50.18 | jmoncayo | fsk405 |
| 15:50.55 | cire | My RTL8168 doesn't wake on lan with magic packets. I set it up correctly with ethtool, but on power off the NIC also gets powered off. (no leds blinking). I also enabled wake on PCI and PCI-E without success. |
| 15:51.05 | cire | Does anybody have an idea? |
| 15:51.21 | cire | lspci -v -v also returns Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- |
| 15:51.34 | cire | I don't know what I copuld do further |
| 15:53.04 | kriebel | cire: try replacing it with an identical card? Erase BIOS settings and try again? |
| 15:53.17 | cire | it is a built-in card |
| 15:53.25 | kriebel | oh |
| 15:53.43 | kriebel | maybe there's a jumper |
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| 15:54.09 | cire | no, there isn't |
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| 15:54.24 | cire | I looked it up in the manual and searched on the board |
| 15:54.25 | cire | nothing |
| 15:54.27 | kriebel | jmoncayo: you could probably boot the Ubuntu CD, install gparted, and use that |
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| 15:55.00 | Trevelyan | Please can someone help me? How can I over rule the install script here http://paste.debian.net/34871/ ? |
| 15:55.07 | Floops[w] | what is the best way to update kernel from etch to lenny |
| 15:55.15 | JockyWilson | hi, downloaded debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso, checked md5sum OK, installing and data corrupt in INSTALLBASE section ? |
| 15:55.26 | kriebel | Floops[w]: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:55.37 | Floops[w] | thanks kriebel |
| 15:55.38 | JockyWilson | 2345 dvds needed for install? |
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| 15:55.54 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: first, stop using force all.. |
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| 15:56.02 | kriebel | JockyWilson: do a net install if at all possible |
| 15:56.11 | Trevelyan | i tried without first time |
| 15:56.21 | JockyWilson | debian-501-i386-DVD-1.iso this enough for debian installbase? |
| 15:56.21 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: and then "error setting ownership of `./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29': Operation not permitted" |
| 15:56.31 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: fix that |
| 15:56.35 | Trevelyan | that's because /boot is vfat |
| 15:56.45 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: fix that |
| 15:56.57 | JockyWilson | kriebel are all 5 dvds needed? |
| 15:57.17 | jmoncayo | i dont htink so |
| 15:57.17 | Trevelyan | grub does not support jffs2, so I'm sticking the kernel image & grub into my freedos partition, hence the vfat /boot |
| 15:57.22 | kriebel | JockyWilson: depends on what you want |
| 15:57.44 | kriebel | JockyWilson: you can install the OS using 1 tiny 45MB CD if you're on the Internet |
| 15:57.46 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: i don't think symlinks will work on fat.. |
| 15:57.52 | Trevelyan | i'm setting up a system on a compact flash card |
| 15:58.17 | Trevelyan | they're not really needed for grub |
| 15:58.34 | kriebel | just make a 30MB ext2 part |
| 15:58.50 | JockyWilson | selected graphical install and install chokes at INSTALL BASE corrupt "apt_0.7.20.2_i386.deb" |
| 15:59.03 | module000 | JockyWilson: self explanatory |
| 15:59.03 | JockyWilson | chokes at INSTALL BASE corrupt "apt_0.7.20.2_i386.deb" |
| 15:59.06 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: then find out what's making the symlink and fix that, or extract the package manually |
| 15:59.13 | JockyWilson | md5sum ok |
| 15:59.36 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: (and put /boot on some real filesystem) |
| 15:59.39 | Trevelyan | where would dpkg cache the install script ? |
| 15:59.48 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 16:00.08 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: or man dpkg, see extract |
| 16:00.11 | jetpda | weeeeee |
| 16:00.16 | cire | if /proc/acpi/wakeup tells me, everything is disabled, what can I do about this? Is this a BIOS related thing? |
| 16:00.22 | JockyWilson | i will burn another dvd |
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| 16:00.38 | enouf | cire: check output of ethtool -i <iface> |
| 16:00.48 | nkuttler | Trevelyan: btw, why don't you run whatever you use freedos for in a virtual machine? |
| 16:00.49 | kriebel | JockyWilson: just use the netinst CD |
| 16:00.58 | enouf | cire: look for 'pumbags' flags or somesuch |
| 16:01.07 | cire | enouf: it is set to "g" |
| 16:01.18 | enouf | cire: that's it? |
| 16:01.27 | cire | no |
| 16:01.30 | Trevelyan | this is an embedded system, freedos is for firmware updates |
| 16:01.43 | cire | enouf: supports pumbg, set to g |
| 16:01.48 | enouf | cire: sorry, remove the -i |
| 16:01.57 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.05 | cire | I did |
| 16:02.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.15 | cire | pumbg |
| 16:02.20 | cire | Wake-On; g |
| 16:02.36 | Trevelyan | once linux is booted, I have a USB storage attached. |
| 16:03.02 | Trevelyan | but first i got to get linux, freedos and grub onto this cf card |
| 16:03.29 | bstock | kriebel: with regard to hw/sw raid, for me it depends on the desired use, and weather or not there is replacement hardware readily available |
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| 16:03.44 | JockyWilson | ok downloading netinst |
| 16:03.47 | jetpda | wh |
| 16:03.51 | Ace2017_- | hi all |
| 16:04.14 | enouf | cire: i don't know ... oh - have you configured /etc/ethers yet? |
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| 16:04.25 | Ace2017_- | is it possible to make xorg nicer? something like -1 |
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| 16:04.47 | cire | no... |
| 16:04.50 | cire | what's this |
| 16:04.51 | enouf | man 5 ethers |
| 16:04.54 | Mark21 | hello, why do i get an error when trying to install mysql-server-5.0 via apt-get (see also http://yourpaste.net/1907/ for the error) |
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| 16:05.27 | enouf | from the net-tools pkg .. |
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| 16:05.33 | esaym | howdy, anyone using kde in here? I am wondering how the kde media manager works. Like when I connect my camera a box will pop up and ask me what to do with the device, like open it in konqueror or digikam. I have made a custom program to manage my digital camera and I want the program to work with the media manager but I can't figure out how... |
| 16:05.34 | talexb | Mark21 Um, maybe unmet dependencies? |
| 16:05.43 | Mark21 | talexb: and how can i fix it? |
| 16:05.45 | bstock | Mark21: try installing the dpeendancies on their own |
| 16:05.47 | enouf | Trevelyan: heard about grub4dos? |
| 16:05.57 | enouf | Trevelyan: how about loadlin? |
| 16:05.58 | talexb | Mark21 What bstock said. |
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| 16:06.15 | enouf | Trevelyan: vfat has no concept of nix permissions |
| 16:06.22 | Trevelyan | enouf, no good when they can't read jffs2 |
| 16:06.23 | cire | enouf: I can't see why this should help with WOL, since it is not IP level |
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| 16:06.32 | enouf | Trevelyan: what can't? |
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| 16:06.47 | enouf | cire: i read it when i used etherwake pkg |
| 16:06.55 | enouf | or something |
| 16:06.57 | Trevelyan | looks like i will have to try and squeeze 3 partitions on: freedos vfat, linux jffs2, and /boot ext2 =/ |
| 16:07.12 | cire | enouf: I think the main problem is the DISABLED in /proc/acpi/wakeup |
| 16:07.28 | enouf | cire: i think not - but ok |
| 16:07.28 | cire | because the NIC gets turned off when shutting down |
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| 16:08.41 | Mark21 | bstock talexb i all ready have the newest version on the system if i may believe apt-get (see http://yourpaste.net/1908/ ), i did just do apt-get update before i did this |
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| 16:09.42 | bstock | Mark21: do you have weird sources in sources.list? |
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| 16:09.46 | corecode | hey |
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| 16:10.09 | corecode | is there a way to query dpkg whether a package has been installed automatically or manually? |
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| 16:12.20 | sepult | !tell |
| 16:12.30 | sepult | dpkg !tell |
| 16:12.31 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, sepult |
| 16:12.40 | sepult | dpkg !tell corecode about query |
| 16:12.40 | avu | !tell sepult about self tell |
| 16:12.41 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, sepult |
| 16:13.05 | corecode | query won't tell me whether a package has been manually installed or not |
| 16:13.10 | corecode | at least i can't see any info |
| 16:13.13 | Mark21 | bstock: only normal sources for as far as I can see, but I did just replace it with the sources.list on apt-get.eu and now it works :S thank you for pointing me in the right direction |
| 16:13.27 | enouf | cire: from man etherwake; ".... The single required parameter is a station (MAC) address or a host ID that can be translated to a MAC address by an ethers(5) database specified in nsswitch.conf(5)" |
| 16:13.38 | Silveira_Neto | A quick question, Synaptic comes by default in a Debian Lenny Cd installation where I choose only a plain desktop+basic system? |
| 16:13.45 | avu | corecode, it's easlily done with aptitude of course |
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| 16:14.52 | corecode | avu: also as a batch output? |
| 16:15.31 | avu | corecode, sure. use "aptitude search '~M'" for example to get a list of automatically installed packages |
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| 16:16.00 | enouf | this manual/automatic is completely nonsensical |
| 16:16.00 | avu | corecode, also see the -F option for easy ways to format the ouput for easier processing by scripts |
| 16:16.23 | avu | enouf, no it isn't. it's quite useful for desktop systems especially. |
| 16:16.26 | amphi | enouf: eh? |
| 16:17.10 | enouf | it's insane and borderline stupid |
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| 16:17.36 | corecode | avu: essentially, i want to compile a list of packages I manually installed, and use this list for any point later in time. That's why I don't want packages with version numbers in there, and rather have "g++" instead of "gcc+-4.3" |
| 16:18.02 | avu | corecode, that's not the name of the package though.. |
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| 16:18.39 | corecode | well, yes, it is. the full name is g++-4.3.3deb2 or so |
| 16:19.18 | enouf | i install pkg A, which pulls in Depends B, C and D ; i --purge remove A, but before i do, B happens to also be a Depends on another pkg i installed in between - and also would've been pulled in automatically from another pkg anyways ... so, what state is B in? |
| 16:19.18 | corecode | g++ is a virtual or so package |
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| 16:20.06 | enouf | just friggin install the pkgs you need and remove the ones you don't want - learn "priority" in pkgs .. |
| 16:20.08 | avu | corecode, aptitude search '~i!~M' -F '%p' |
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| 16:20.33 | avu | corecode, how's that a question? |
| 16:20.35 | avu | erm |
| 16:20.40 | avu | enouf, how's that a question? |
| 16:20.58 | avu | enouf, B is still automatically installed and will of course not be removed as it's still needed |
| 16:21.11 | enouf | avu: no it isn't and wasn't |
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| 16:21.26 | enouf | it was installed Manually |
| 16:21.39 | avu | that's not what you said though... |
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| 16:21.45 | wekt | Has anyone successfully run rpc.idmapd for NFS4? It's giving me an error. [fcntl(/var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs/nfs): Invalid argument ] It looks like it may be the same as: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510119 |
| 16:21.55 | enouf | if it at some point got switched to Auto .. then ok - my point is made then |
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| 16:22.16 | abchirk | Hi, how can I search in files and files? :) |
| 16:22.20 | avu | enouf, it always was auto as it was pulled in as a dependency when you first installed A |
| 16:22.23 | enouf | avu: so all Depends are considered Automatically installed? |
| 16:22.23 | abchirk | so for foo in all files. :) |
| 16:22.33 | avu | enouf, that's the whole point |
| 16:22.40 | enouf | that's even more insane |
| 16:22.49 | avu | enouf, marking packages that you did not explicitly request |
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| 16:23.09 | avu | that's not insane, that's a perfectly reasonable and well-working method of keeping systems cruft-free |
| 16:23.27 | enouf | avu: when "request" == "won't work without these others" does not implore the term "Auto" to me |
| 16:23.43 | avu | enouf, can I have that sentence in english please? |
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| 16:24.46 | enouf | avu: if i Manually install pkg A, and it won't work without B, C and D, then i manually installed A B C D |
| 16:24.56 | avu | enouf, no you didn't. |
| 16:25.07 | enouf | Oh .. but i did |
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| 16:25.11 | avu | enouf, the whole point that if you remove A, B, C and D can be removed as well |
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| 16:25.20 | avu | enouf, because they were installed automatically as dependencies of A |
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| 16:25.32 | enouf | and they would be if they were marked Manual in the 1st place |
| 16:25.40 | enouf | no they weren't |
| 16:25.46 | avu | no they wouldn't |
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| 16:25.56 | avu | well, by now I think you're just trolling |
| 16:25.56 | avu | ~ |
| 16:26.07 | enouf | this is some circular bullshit ... |
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| 16:27.30 | enouf | and FWIW, where'd this Manual/Automatic shit come from - if all depends are considered automatically installed, use Primary/Depends or something |
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| 16:28.21 | lfuser-889 | www.LinuxCAD.com, need a Linux Consultant 80k/year |
| 16:28.25 | lfuser-889 | www.LinuxCAD.com, need a Linux Consultant 80k/year |
| 16:28.30 | lfuser-889 | www.LinuxCAD.com, need a Linux Consultant 80k/year |
| 16:28.54 | corecode | hm. seems the installer doesn't mark packages as automatically installed :/ |
| 16:29.30 | asg | lfuser-889: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 16:29.44 | enouf | avu: You do realize though that; If the Pilgrims had given the Indians a donkey on Thanksgiving instead of a turkey, we'd all be getting a piece of ass! ;-) |
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| 16:33.07 | techouse | i need some help with gawk. i tried this method here http://home.vrweb.de/~juergen.kahrs/gawk/XML/xmlgawk.html#Pulling-data-out-of-an-XML-file but when i execute the script written on that page i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m7ce999b9 |
| 16:34.02 | techouse | dunno what to do about the @ error |
| 16:34.04 | techouse | :/ |
| 16:34.17 | techouse | google doesn't give me any definitive answers either |
| 16:34.35 | enouf | "cruft-free?" that is just way too funny -- hahaha .. my system has so much shit on it ... leftover from much earlier releases ... and i always --purge remove when i do remove |
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| 16:36.57 | avu | techouse, that document describes a specially patched version of gawk |
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| 16:37.25 | techouse | avu: i had the feel something like that was the problem |
| 16:37.29 | techouse | thanx |
| 16:37.40 | avu | techouse, it's been included in gawk since 3.2 |
| 16:38.08 | techouse | GNU Awk 3.1.5 |
| 16:38.08 | avu | or 3.1.6 if the document is right, which is new to me though, as well |
| 16:38.11 | techouse | FAIL! |
| 16:38.16 | avu | anyway, the version in lenny is too old |
| 16:38.31 | techouse | thanx avu |
| 16:38.33 | techouse | :) |
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| 16:39.26 | techouse | avu: experimanetal has 3.1.6 |
| 16:39.27 | techouse | lol |
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| 16:40.08 | avu | techouse, so? 3.2 hasn't been released.. |
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| 16:46.28 | Manoj | bzed: the other tools might be biased. yaird is a perfectly fine initramfs generator |
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| 16:55.34 | fetzbeast | hallo, muss ich mein packetmanager bearbeiten um libc installieren zu können |
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| 16:55.42 | adb | !de |
| 16:55.43 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 16:56.00 | fetzbeast | thx |
| 16:56.05 | adb | bitte |
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| 17:02.53 | roler | what is the most popular email solution? I had postfix and postgrey running which helped a lot, but my wife started getting a lot of spam recently. I just switched to gmails hosted email, works great but I don't like the idea of the server being out of my control. What about spamassassin? And do you guys use that with postfix or exim? |
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| 17:05.38 | ootput | roler: for home use, webmail should suffice |
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| 17:06.26 | frostschutz | roler: I use fetchmail + procmail + spamassassin for fetching mails, msmtp for sending them, and mutt for reading and writing them... |
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| 17:06.39 | valdyn | roler: stick to whichever mta you are familiar with |
| 17:06.45 | valdyn | roler: + spamassassin |
| 17:06.48 | Chubbz | hey, i'm trying to build a kernel module, but i keep getting errors. I'm assuming i just dont have the right dev packages installed as I jsut upgraded the kernel. What packages do i need for this? |
| 17:07.11 | frostschutz | roler: of course I still use my providers mail servers... I don't have a 24/7 running static ip server at home that could act as mail server for me |
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| 17:07.45 | valdyn | Chubbz: read the error |
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| 17:08.56 | Piet | those kernel bugs the kerneloops package reports, where do they end up? |
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| 17:09.54 | Chubbz | heres the error i'm getting http://pastebin.com/d489270ea |
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| 17:13.54 | jose_zap | I have deleted the folder /etc/samba by mistake and now aptitude install samba cant create again! please help!!! |
| 17:14.38 | hark | jose_zap: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:15.05 | hark | Chubbz: what are you compiling? |
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| 17:15.33 | jose_zap | hark: must i send a private message to dpkg? |
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| 17:15.41 | hark | yes |
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| 17:16.40 | Chubbz | hark: wireless driver |
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| 17:16.50 | hark | which one? |
| 17:17.10 | Chubbz | broadcom bcm4312 driver |
| 17:17.19 | T-u-N-i-X | hey there.. i'm packaging one of our applications and basically it just copies files and dirs under /var/www/foo/bar .. i need to chown those files and dirs to www-data.. should i do it with postinst or is there a debian way for that? |
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| 17:17.54 | Chubbz | i did it with my old kernel and it worked perfectly |
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| 17:18.18 | Chubbz | but when i dist-upgrade yesterday, now it wont compile |
| 17:18.37 | Chubbz | i think i installed all the packages i would need to build a module, bu tim not sure |
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| 17:19.30 | jose_zap | hark: I did what you said and followed the instuctions but it does not create the config files :( |
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| 17:20.54 | hark | jose_zap: try it with the samba-common package |
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| 17:21.48 | justin | T-u-N-i-X: you shouldn't be copying files to /var/www |
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| 17:22.26 | hark | Chubbz: you just need the headers, linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:22.53 | jose_zap | hark: great that did the trick |
| 17:22.57 | justin | T-u-N-i-X: install the files into /usr/share/yourapp/ and a file in /etc/apache/conf.d/ that sets Alias /foo /usr/share/yourapp/htdocs/foo |
| 17:23.00 | jose_zap | hark: thanks A LOT |
| 17:23.15 | Chubbz | already installed |
| 17:23.24 | mandric_ | is a 10.x.x.x address a class C network? .. i.e. it's a publically available IP space? |
| 17:23.33 | Chubbz | no |
| 17:23.41 | Chubbz | @mandric no |
| 17:23.49 | mandric_ | ok |
| 17:23.55 | justin | mandric_: 10.x.x.x is a class A network |
| 17:24.12 | T-u-N-i-X | justin: but my app is django based and needs to write to some places and i still need to set some permissions? |
| 17:24.35 | justin | TurboBee: and? |
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| 17:25.28 | mandric_ | justin: ok ... i'm wondering why a server is not reachable ... and it has a 10. address. That means there is probably a DNS mis-configuration? |
| 17:26.01 | justin | mandric_: ask the person that runs the server |
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| 17:26.20 | mandric_ | justin: but is 10. even a public IP space? |
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| 17:26.40 | justin | mandric_: no. the answer to that question is also irrelevant to your problem |
| 17:27.00 | Denis1 | hello |
| 17:27.11 | Chubbz | @hark the kernel headers are already at the newest version |
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| 17:27.20 | mandric_ | hrm but wouldn't a non-public IP not allow me to access route to that IP? |
| 17:27.26 | Denis1 | how can i set default web brouser |
| 17:27.28 | Denis1 | ? |
| 17:27.39 | justin | mandric_: depends |
| 17:27.54 | mandric_ | right depends if you're on the local network or not |
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| 17:28.03 | mandric_ | and the public is not on the local network so ... |
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| 17:29.00 | maheshm | Denis1: in Sysytem->preferences->preffered application |
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| 17:29.30 | foobar09 | hi there |
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| 17:29.43 | foobar09 | i am currently trying to get the .NET framework v3.5 running |
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| 17:31.55 | Chubbz | Can someone help me build a kernel module? |
| 17:32.01 | themill | foobar09: wine is known to not support install the .net framework. See http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=10166 |
| 17:32.10 | Denis1 | maheshm: thanks :-) |
| 17:32.20 | Chubbz | i keep getting an error |
| 17:32.34 | maheshm | chubbz: whats the error? |
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| 17:32.53 | Chubbz | http://pastebin.com/d489270ea |
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| 17:32.59 | foobar09 | themill: on the homepage it says .net 3.5 does not work |
| 17:33.06 | foobar09 | at least the user-experiences say that |
| 17:33.25 | Chubbz | foobar09: thats what the said |
| 17:33.26 | themill | right... that's what I just said |
| 17:33.27 | Chubbz | *he |
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| 17:35.04 | foobar09 | themill: 60megs to go after download finishes i'll see if it works |
| 17:35.15 | foobar09 | is there a way to use wine together with mono as a replacement for .net ? |
| 17:35.30 | themill | foobar09: good luck with that.. and you'll need a much newer wine than is etch to have any hope at all. |
| 17:36.07 | abrotman | foobar09: which version of linux? |
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| 17:38.33 | foobar09 | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 abrotman |
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| 17:38.52 | foobar09 | themill: i heard about that it works and i allready uninstalled the wine version of etch and installed the last avail binary for it |
| 17:39.02 | foobar09 | if that wont work i'll try a compile out of the sources |
| 17:39.21 | Chubbz | Can someone help me build a kernel module? I keep getting this error http://pastebin.com/d489270ea |
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| 17:40.00 | abrotman | Chubbz: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:40.08 | Chubbz | build my wireless driver |
| 17:40.21 | brakkvatn | Hey. Does there exist a package source for debian, like Fedora's RPMFusion? |
| 17:40.32 | abrotman | Chubbz: which one is that? |
| 17:40.38 | abrotman | !tell brakkvatn about source |
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| 17:41.02 | nvz | I have a dual nVidia MCP 55 network card onboard, I need to do send the args msi=0 and msix=0 to get it to work.. how can I set it to do this automatically at boot? |
| 17:41.12 | Chubbz | abrotman: Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA driver |
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| 17:41.30 | abrotman | Chubbz: the b43 stuff is debian already |
| 17:41.38 | brakkvatn | abrotman: I am not looking to install sources of programs, but to add a mirror that allows me to install dirty codecs and VLC and stuff. |
| 17:41.48 | themill | dpkg: tell brakkvatn about dmm |
| 17:42.00 | abrotman | !tell brakbah |
| 17:42.22 | greycat | Have we moved away from "User: /msg dpkg dmm" then? |
| 17:42.37 | Chubbz | abrotman: I used this driver on my old kernel and I loved it, it worked so much better than b43 |
| 17:42.37 | themill | greycat: "what's /msg mean?" |
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| 17:43.13 | greycat | Chubbz: you may want/need to revert to the older kernel in some cases. |
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| 17:43.24 | Chubbz | abrotman: but when i upgraded my kernel yesterday, it obviously broke the driver, I just need to recompile the module |
| 17:43.24 | greycat | With linux, higher numbers are not always better. |
| 17:43.26 | asg | greycat: no, though it does cut down on the usual 'huh?' response we seem to get. |
| 17:43.32 | greycat | Chubbz: you can't always do that. |
| 17:43.56 | greycat | The other day I wanted to try to build the 2.6.18 tg3 driver under 2.6.26. Can't be done. |
| 17:44.16 | themill | and you're still bitter about that too |
| 17:44.24 | Chubbz | i think its just a matter of installing the right build packages |
| 17:44.25 | greycat | not entirely |
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| 17:44.36 | Chubbz | i think i've just missed one |
| 17:44.38 | amitz | Chubbz: I love the driver of a PC of mine so much that I upgrade to lenny yet stay in 2.6.18 :-) |
| 17:44.42 | greycat | Chubbz: no, it's not that simple at all. The kernel internals change dramatically even from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26. |
| 17:45.00 | Chubbz | i went from 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 |
| 17:45.00 | tonsofpcs | how do I save my current iptables to be the default on boot? |
| 17:45.03 | abrotman | Chubbz: updated your driver from what to what? |
| 17:45.07 | abrotman | erm .. your kernel |
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| 17:45.29 | greycat | themill: now that I know you are supposed to put "autoneg off" in your "ethtool -s eth0 duplex full..." commands (which is *extremely* non-intuitive!) I've got things working. |
| 17:46.24 | greycat | tonsofpcs: "iptables -save > /etc/firewall.conf" (or a file name you choose), and then put an "up iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf" in your /etc/network/interfaces file for the interface in question |
| 17:46.32 | amitz | Chubbz: you have installed the new header of 2.6.26-2 right? |
| 17:46.46 | stew | !factinfo kernel of gratuitous change |
| 17:46.46 | dpkg | kernel of gratuitous change -- created by greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> at Tue Aug 17 01:46:06 2004 (1717 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by stew, 28s ago. |
| 17:46.47 | Chubbz | all kernel headers are up to date according to apt-get |
| 17:46.51 | stew | :) |
| 17:46.59 | abrotman | okay then .. dont' answer .. |
| 17:47.21 | Chubbz | abrotman: i answered you before you asked the question |
| 17:47.31 | greycat | 13:45 Chubbz> i went from 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 |
| 17:47.33 | abrotman | Chubbz: and what's wrong with the b43 driver? |
| 17:47.50 | greycat | Did the b43 driver really chanve from 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2? |
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| 17:48.08 | abrotman | no, he's not using b43 |
| 17:48.20 | greycat | I suspect there's a communications gap here.. |
| 17:48.52 | Chubbz | abrotman: no, i WAS using the offical broadcom driver |
| 17:49.00 | abrotman | i understand that .. |
| 17:49.02 | greycat | An upstream driver that you compiled yourself? |
| 17:49.10 | abrotman | i'm asking what's wrong with b43 |
| 17:49.33 | Chubbz | i got better link quality out of the official driver |
| 17:49.44 | greycat | Chubbz: did you build it yourself on 2.6.26-1? |
| 17:49.52 | Chubbz | greycat: yeah |
| 17:50.14 | greycat | Then just build it again on 2.6.26-2. |
| 17:50.17 | Chubbz | greycat: it built perfectly after I installed the headers and build-essential |
| 17:50.21 | greycat | good. |
| 17:50.42 | Chubbz | greycat: but it wont build in 2.6.26-2 i get this error |
| 17:51.06 | Chubbz | http://pastebin.com/d489270ea |
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| 17:51.46 | nsadmin | so files are missing. |
| 17:52.55 | nsadmin | oh, and was that your make -C command that you typed? |
| 17:53.00 | greycat | If the kernel-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 package is missing things, file a bug report against it. |
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| 17:53.19 | nsadmin | if so... you're not using the debian build system |
| 17:53.28 | greycat | he never said he was |
| 17:53.34 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:53.53 | Chubbz | nsadmin: the make command is striaight out of the README for the module |
| 17:54.20 | nsadmin | there's not a debianized source pkg for that? |
| 17:54.36 | greycat | nsadmin: this is pretty normal for upstream drivers |
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| 17:55.12 | Chubbz | greycat: weird thing is that i could compile the NVIDIA drivers |
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| 18:00.48 | amartin83 | hi all, i try to connect to my wireless WEP secured router by: sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed key 11111, but i get this error: Error for wireless request "set encode" (8B2A) : set failed on device wlan0 ; invalid argument. Does anyone knows how to handle this? |
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| 18:03.50 | Chubbz | greycat: lets pretend I havent installed any dev packages, what would I need to compile a module? |
| 18:03.53 | techouse | has anyone any idea how i could the words i extracted from an xml now condense into sentences. the words are now each one in its line |
| 18:04.02 | nsadmin | invalid argument sometimes means a driver is not present |
| 18:04.07 | greycat | Chubbz: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential, maybe others. I don't think there are any others. |
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| 18:04.26 | greycat | Or maybe it's not kernel-headers- any more. Maybe they renamed it. |
| 18:04.33 | Chubbz | yeah, they did |
| 18:04.43 | greycat | Right, linux-headers-$(uname -r) now. |
| 18:04.49 | Chubbz | its linux-headers |
| 18:04.55 | nsadmin | techouse: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
| 18:05.10 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.15 | greycat | without leading space |
| 18:05.16 | stew | greycat: got renamed @ 2.6.12 |
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| 18:05.44 | techouse | heh |
| 18:05.54 | techouse | i was just asking if anyone had any idea :D |
| 18:06.07 | nsadmin | yes. |
| 18:06.20 | greycat | techouse: what do you want to do with this list of words, one per line? |
| 18:06.26 | techouse | so i'll probably have bang my head with awk once more |
| 18:06.46 | simonrvn_ | !ops _Duygu_ on-join spam |
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| 18:06.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn_ complains about: _Duygu_ on-join spam |
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| 18:06.50 | techouse | greycat: condense them into a sentence - i.e. from multiple lines into 1 line |
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| 18:07.05 | greycat | I don't think the word "sentence" means that. |
| 18:07.20 | nsadmin | you could look into xargs and echo |
| 18:07.25 | techouse | well....they are sencences broken up into lines by words |
| 18:07.31 | greycat | techouse: the simplest way would be tr '\n' ' ' < yourfile; echo |
| 18:07.42 | greycat | Don't use xargs. |
| 18:07.48 | techouse | k |
| 18:08.09 | simonrvn_ | thank you |
| 18:08.15 | Chubbz | greycat: so whats missing from linux-headers? |
| 18:08.18 | nsadmin | whats wrong with xargs? |
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| 18:08.36 | greycat | echo "don't" | xargs echo |
| 18:08.59 | greycat | It gets worse from there. |
| 18:09.07 | enouf | greycat: fwiw, if you care, /msg dpkg dbse (see last URL mainly) .. for atleast changes made around that time period |
| 18:09.17 | nsadmin | oh, ok... point taken |
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| 18:09.57 | enouf | nsadmin: do you also get this? xargs: xargs.c:444: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. |
| 18:10.00 | greycat | enouf: I knew the name had changed; I had just momentarily forgotten |
| 18:10.07 | nsadmin | freenode's naming their boxes by carbs now? |
| 18:10.09 | enouf | greycat: np |
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| 18:10.51 | nsadmin | enouf: no, didn't get that |
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| 18:12.08 | enouf | nsadmin: thought not .. see, my tty1/console from boot up also has similar errors (and some others) .. many seem to involve xargs as well |
| 18:12.13 | nvz | How can I set certain args on a module loaded at boot? |
| 18:12.13 | greycat | heh |
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| 18:12.56 | techouse | gernot: ok, now how do i transport that to a file? adding > xxx doesn't wanna work |
| 18:13.01 | enouf | nvz: put "options <modulename> option1 option2 ..." into any file you make in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 18:13.11 | greycat | techouse: { tr; echo; } > file |
| 18:13.15 | techouse | ah |
| 18:13.17 | techouse | :D |
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| 18:13.31 | enouf | nvz: ensure you have no /etc/{modprobe,modules}.conf files |
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| 18:14.05 | nvz | enouf: so in example echo "options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0" > forcedeth |
| 18:14.06 | nvz | ? |
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| 18:14.12 | enouf | nvz: you could also list those options in /etc/modules after the modulename, i think, if that module needs to be placed there |
| 18:14.47 | enouf | nvz: if you're in the /etc/modprobe.d/ dir .. yes |
| 18:14.47 | nvz | enouf: the installer and fresh install loads forcedeth but it wont get an IP unless I unload it and reload it with those args |
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| 18:15.09 | nsadmin | techouse: so if you want a general ability in this area you should study the fundamentals for awhile... there's probably a quarter's worth of material there |
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| 18:15.20 | greycat | techouse: also see /topic #bash |
| 18:15.31 | techouse | :) |
| 18:15.38 | techouse | thanx |
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| 18:17.47 | nvz | enouf: ok well hopefully I remember that.. heh. thanks |
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| 18:18.07 | enouf | nvz: fwiw, there's MSI related kernel boot params .. not sure if that's useful -- see kernel-parameters.txt in /Documentation |
| 18:18.13 | Piet | i recall there's some development kernel image pakage APT archive. where would i find that? |
| 18:18.13 | enouf | nvz: np |
| 18:18.45 | enouf | Piet: like /msg dpkg kernel trunk ? |
| 18:18.47 | nsadmin | fundamentals meaning... learning the basic operation of your shell (probably bash?) as well as a handful of basic commands that manipulate text... grep, head, tail, cat, echo, sort, uniq |
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| 18:19.22 | nsadmin | understanding the basic three streams every process starts with is important too |
| 18:19.26 | nvz | enouf: I dont even know what those parms do.. seen it on a forum, it worked.. |
| 18:19.43 | nvz | the dual nic onboard was giving me all kinds of shit in the installer |
| 18:19.46 | greycat | I assume bash unless otherwise stated |
| 18:19.59 | nvz | though the onboard wifi seems to work fine |
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| 18:21.07 | nsadmin | the thing about bash is that the best reference for them (the texinfo and generated info files) are considered non-free by debian because they're under gfdl |
| 18:21.16 | Piet | enouf: not tdlp.org, i assume: <dpkg> have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?, Piet |
| 18:21.28 | enouf | nvz: hrm .. all i know is i heard the gigE mobo nvidia chipsets are a PITA .. also, atleast sometime back, they didn't even support jumbo frames |
| 18:21.45 | greycat | The thing about bash is that all the "guides" and "tutorials" and "howtos" about it suck. Some more than others. |
| 18:21.46 | enouf | !kernel trunk |
| 18:21.53 | enouf | !trunk kernel |
| 18:21.54 | dpkg | Visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org for more information on these kernels. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care. |
| 18:22.00 | enouf | Piet: ooops :-P |
| 18:22.04 | greycat | In particular, anything with "howto" in its name is very, very bad. |
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| 18:22.21 | Piet | enouf: yes, i have a lot of those ;-) |
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| 18:22.43 | Piet | thanks |
| 18:22.45 | nvz | enouf: well thats good to know... just built this for a shop machine.. he wanted windows on it so I set it up dual boot.. cause we already have an XP and a Vista box |
| 18:24.17 | nsadmin | but in any case the most central fundamental area to study is the shell you use. it's extremely expressive and powerful, and quite cryptic and hard to read in many cases unfortunately |
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| 18:25.01 | lip_skip_vt_ | bye * |
| 18:25.26 | enouf | nvz: i atleast like to follow kernelnewbies.org('s) summation of what's new in each new kernel, and also other things, like lwn.net, but there are also some nice sites that are specific to kernel subsystems, like the wifi stuffs and such - not to mention wiki,debian.org and other places |
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| 18:27.02 | enouf | nvz: btw, is that the Lenny installer? very recent d/l, burn? |
| 18:27.42 | tonsofpcs | that'ss enouf! |
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| 18:27.46 | nvz | yeah just burned it today, used graphical netinstall |
| 18:28.05 | nvz | enouf: amd64 |
| 18:28.11 | enouf | nvz: the Installation Guide also shows (touches on atleast) how to blacklist modules, and perhaps add options at boot/installation time - see the Boot Params section Chapter 5 or 6ish, IIRC |
| 18:28.23 | nvz | I'll look into that |
| 18:28.39 | enouf | tons!! |
| 18:28.40 | nvz | for now I'm considering this done.. its just a shop machine.. just built it |
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| 18:28.50 | nvz | I got a VCR and a BETAmax to fix |
| 18:28.52 | nvz | heh |
| 18:29.00 | enouf | haha |
| 18:29.03 | nvz | the VCR is giving me all kinds of shit right now |
| 18:29.10 | nsadmin | so a vcr and a vcr? :) |
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| 18:29.30 | nvz | well a VHS and a Beta |
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| 18:29.38 | nvz | but yes they are both VRCs |
| 18:29.40 | nvz | er |
| 18:29.41 | nvz | VCRs |
| 18:29.45 | enouf | nvz: hey, can you fix my 8-track tape deck? :-P |
| 18:29.49 | nvz | hah |
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| 18:29.57 | nvz | its the electronic hospital, we fix it all |
| 18:30.05 | nvz | I got a doctors coat and everything |
| 18:30.07 | nsadmin | I only get 7! |
| 18:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | BETAmax doesn't even exist, it was a mass hallucination |
| 18:30.38 | nvz | thinking about setting up those IV bag poles near the work benches with the kvm wires hanging on em.. LOL |
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| 18:31.11 | nvz | thats weird cause I got at least 4 betamax machines here now |
| 18:31.49 | nvz | you can also find such wonders as a TRS-80, VIC-20, Apple IIC, IBM PS/2... |
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| 18:31.59 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you're thinking in 'Consumer' terms |
| 18:32.23 | nvz | cant seem to get that PS/2 to work |
| 18:32.26 | enouf | Amiga! |
| 18:32.45 | enouf | Commodores was a band .. :-p |
| 18:32.50 | enouf | hides |
| 18:32.50 | nvz | gives errors about time/date batter issues, hd problem.. and I made a floppy for the options disk but still cant get it to do anything |
| 18:33.10 | nsadmin | they called it that so that all the guys could say they have a gf... |
| 18:33.10 | enouf | mmm batter ... |
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| 18:33.26 | nvz | will probably need a new dallas bios for that thing |
| 18:33.26 | enouf | speaking of pancakes ... |
| 18:33.34 | nvz | if you can even find em anymore |
| 18:34.31 | nvz | the most valuable thing in this place is our collection of free AOL cds.. |
| 18:34.41 | nvz | they are all glued shiny side out across the walls |
| 18:34.59 | nsadmin | no aol floppies? |
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| 18:35.10 | nvz | hah, probably have some of those somewhere too |
| 18:35.28 | nvz | I wouldnt be surprised if I found an 8" floppy around somewhere |
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| 18:38.51 | iv_s_ | hi, how to set bitrate for wifi card? |
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| 18:41.32 | abrotman | it should autopick the highest it can use |
| 18:41.42 | enouf | iv_s_: not sure what you mean, ethtool? |
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| 18:42.15 | iv_s_ | abrotman: it picks lowest... |
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| 18:42.51 | iv_s_ | enouf: nop, what i should add to interfaces? wireless-rate 54M? |
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| 18:43.28 | tosmo | hi |
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| 18:43.31 | MrWax | Hi, I just installed a dual boot system with Windows Vista and Debian (later made vista MBR) and I let EasyBCD handle the boot where I can choose for either Windows Vista or Neogrub which boots to Grub, but when booting to grub and then choosing for the (correct set) normal debian, I get this error "Error 2: Bad file or directory type" - does anyone know what the problem could be? |
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| 18:43.54 | enouf | iv_s_: no idea .. i know close to nothing about wifi |
| 18:44.24 | enouf | iv_s_: i would imagine you might be able to pass options to it's kernel module .. |
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| 18:45.06 | abrotman | iwconfig |
| 18:45.11 | Malle | hello i downloaded lenny and burned the iso to a cdrom, i just bought a new HDD but the installer cd wont boot, i have cdrom as first prior in boot order ... |
| 18:45.19 | tosmo | from syslog i see that my wireless card is configured according to us regulations (cfg82011). i've not found anything about cfg82011 and wonder where i can change the country setting? |
| 18:45.30 | enouf | !grub errors |
| 18:45.31 | dpkg | grub.errors is probably grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
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| 18:45.44 | iv_s_ | enouf: after logon, i execute sudo iwconfig rate 54M, but i want to add it to interfaces and don't know how... |
| 18:45.53 | Malle | enouf is that ment for me ? |
| 18:45.58 | Malle | because i dont get any grub message |
| 18:46.03 | enouf | no Malle |
| 18:46.06 | Malle | kk |
| 18:46.15 | tosmo | Malle: checked cd integrity? (md5sum) |
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| 18:46.31 | Malle | i just burned it and nero said it was fine |
| 18:46.39 | Malle | and its working on my other pc |
| 18:46.51 | enouf | iv_s_: maybe place that into your rc.local file? or if using gnome, see system > preferences > sessions ? |
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| 18:47.28 | enouf | Malle: it boots fine on another box? .. hrm .. |
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| 18:49.07 | enouf | Malle: try these separately; "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" ... oh wait, you don't even get to the boot: prompt? Play with your BIOS again - is there a Key you must press to THEN choose boot from CDROM - some BIOSes suck so bad, they have their own boot menus |
| 18:49.10 | greycat | iv_s_: "up mycommand" in /etc/network/interfaces, in the stanza for the interface in question. If wifi uses /etc/network/interfaces. I have no idea whether it does or not. |
| 18:49.20 | iv_s_ | enouf: yep, if i don't find how to do it with interfaces i'll use rc.local |
| 18:49.43 | enouf | greycat: and iv_s_ ahh .. there are /if-preup.d/ dirs in /etc/network/ |
| 18:49.54 | enouf | and such |
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| 18:50.27 | greycat | examples in http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 18:50.57 | DuCkNeT | i need help installing debian 5.0 with raid 1 |
| 18:50.58 | enouf | greycat: yes, i've seen wifi use /etc/network/interfaces ... indeed -- iv_s_ if you're using WPA, see /msg dpkg wpasupplicant |
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| 18:51.42 | nvz | is there any decent software in debian to setup a live webcam? |
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| 18:51.54 | enouf | iv_s_: are you using a Debian kernel? if so which one? |
| 18:51.57 | Malle | enouf argh... my main problem is that my fucking bios is on danish!!!!!!!! and im not a dane |
| 18:52.28 | enouf | nvz: i know there is, no idea of name .. many use "gspca" ? ask #v4l too |
| 18:52.29 | abrotman | eh? |
| 18:52.34 | iv_s_ | enouf: Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 18:52.36 | nvz | ah ok |
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| 18:52.50 | enouf | haha |
| 18:52.59 | nvz | thinking I may setup a live feed from my "ER" |
| 18:53.15 | enouf | ok doc |
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| 18:53.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:55.13 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, hint: you need to be more specific or nobody can help you. |
| 18:56.20 | helo | what library provides access to bash environment variables for c/c++ programs? |
| 18:56.29 | DuCkNeT | jintxo: basicaly i can install fedora, centos etc... but as soon i try to setup debian (which is the one i want to be install) i can see my 2x 80gb harddrive which i should only see 1 |
| 18:56.46 | DuCkNeT | is there anything i can do about it ? |
| 18:56.50 | greycat | helo: getenv() |
| 18:57.01 | enouf | DuCkNeT: have you tried expert mode? |
| 18:57.05 | DuCkNeT | nop |
| 18:57.07 | greycat | helo: (which is in libc) |
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| 18:57.24 | Malle | enouf i tested with windows xp install disc, it boots .. WTF |
| 18:57.25 | DuCkNeT | i'm not that of an expert but if someone could help me thru |
| 18:57.39 | tonsofpcs | thanks greycat |
| 18:57.52 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, what kind of raid controller do you have? |
| 18:57.54 | enouf | Malle: how old a box is that? CPU is? |
| 18:58.01 | Malle | P3 Katmai |
| 18:58.06 | enouf | ahh |
| 18:58.10 | Malle | IBM P400 i think |
| 18:58.11 | Malle | or sth |
| 18:58.32 | Malle | wait it does not boot on this box |
| 18:58.33 | DuCkNeT | its an onboard controller for a compaq proliant ml330 |
| 18:58.34 | enouf | Malle: well... my p2 350 boots anything - my p150 is very very picky |
| 18:58.36 | Malle | i need to start it manually |
| 18:58.39 | Malle | i guess thats my problem |
| 18:58.44 | DuCkNeT | anything in fedora i can do to help you more ? |
| 18:58.44 | enouf | mostly all i found out is ; it |
| 18:58.51 | enouf | s and isolinux issue |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | DuCkNeT: because you don't have a real raid controller |
| 18:59.20 | enouf | Malle: did you burn with the 'use floppy emulation' option in nero? |
| 18:59.31 | Malle | dont think so |
| 18:59.32 | DuCkNeT | abrotman: so ill never be able to install debian ? |
| 18:59.42 | abrotman | !dmraid |
| 18:59.42 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 18:59.53 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, is it one of thos cheapo SATA riad controllers? if so, I would STRONGLY recommend sing software raid instead of the raid capabilities of that controller |
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| 19:00.18 | enouf | Malle: can you take the disk in any other linux box and pastebin output of "file -s /dev/cdrom" and "isoinfo -d dev=/dev/cdrom" |
| 19:00.20 | enouf | ? |
| 19:00.23 | iv_s_ | enouf: i add 'wireless-rate 54M' to my interfaces, and it works! as i see, to add wifi option i should use the same as for iwconfig, but with 'wireless-' prefix |
| 19:00.27 | Malle | nope enouf |
| 19:00.27 | Malle | but |
| 19:00.29 | Malle | this is the img |
| 19:00.31 | Malle | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 19:00.38 | Malle | thats the one im suppose to dl right |
| 19:00.50 | enouf | that's fine .. |
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| 19:01.01 | Malle | so i guess i did sth wrong with nero ? |
| 19:01.02 | nsadmin | or the netinstall |
| 19:01.05 | enouf | i think there might be some option in nero affecting it |
| 19:01.12 | DuCkNeT | jintxo: no its ide raid that came onboard with it ive install prior version of debian before on it just 5.0 that wont install |
| 19:01.18 | Malle | what option could it be enouf |
| 19:01.24 | Malle | nsadmin can i use the netinstall on a CDrom |
| 19:01.27 | enouf | you could use the netinstall - but if that also fails, then i suspect nero options |
| 19:01.30 | Malle | it does not really metter |
| 19:01.33 | Malle | matter* |
| 19:01.36 | enouf | Malle: maybe X/Mode |
| 19:01.41 | Malle | since 99% its a nero error |
| 19:01.45 | nsadmin | Malle: usually netinstall has the base |
| 19:01.57 | abrotman | less enter key please |
| 19:02.00 | nsadmin | which you install from the cd, then... |
| 19:02.18 | DuCkNeT | abrotman: see its one of those that you cannot delete the raid array it creates it automatically.... |
| 19:02.18 | enouf | mode2/xa thingies or whatever they are .. in man genisoimage they are referred to as "levels" sigh |
| 19:02.19 | nsadmin | you use the net to get everything else |
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| 19:02.38 | abrotman | DuCkNeT: what isn't? the crap raid controller? |
| 19:02.46 | tonsofpcs | what is the proper way to permanently reconfigure networking to be static ip instead of dynamic? |
| 19:02.59 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, IDE? if yu see the 2 drives independently instead of just one, it's probably what we would call "fakeraid". if it is, it is a better idea to create software raid devices during the installation from the 2 drives |
| 19:03.05 | greycat | tonsofpcs: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 19:03.05 | DuCkNeT | abrotman: yeah the raid controller |
| 19:03.10 | jintxo | !fakeraid |
| 19:03.10 | dpkg | A term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 19:03.15 | enouf | DuCkNeT: you'd need dmraid for any fakeraid crap |
| 19:03.31 | DuCkNeT | do i need to delete array ? |
| 19:03.44 | DuCkNeT | when i boot cd i type dmraid ? |
| 19:04.00 | abrotman | seriously .. this is almost as bad as the winmodem junk |
| 19:04.08 | enouf | it's not in debian, AFAIR |
| 19:04.22 | greycat | Do you guys mean "md" and "mdadm" and so on? That's in Debian. |
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| 19:04.30 | enouf | greycat: no |
| 19:04.37 | jintxo | greycat, we're trying to tlk him into using mdadm :-) |
| 19:04.38 | greycat | I've installed Debian onto md devices created during the installer. |
| 19:04.47 | Malle | enouf what type of cd am i suppose to burn? CD image |
| 19:04.56 | jpinx-eeepc | no abrotman - nothing is as bad as winmodems:( |
| 19:05.05 | enouf | greycat: http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/readme |
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| 19:05.38 | enouf | Malle: yes, i recall Burn Image .. but i'd go into all the preferences and poke about |
| 19:05.54 | Malle | trying with netinstall noq |
| 19:05.55 | greycat | enouf: so we have md and dm.... joy. |
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| 19:06.03 | nsadmin | say you succeed in talking him into it... does he have to completely build the array up again from scratch? |
| 19:06.04 | enouf | Malle: i haven't used Nero since like version 4 or something |
| 19:06.09 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, anyways, if it IS fakeraid, I wouldn't use it. during installation you can create software raid (managed my mdadm) devices and install to those. that works very well and is very vrsatile compared to the fakeraid (or dmraid) option. |
| 19:06.09 | greycat | Good thing nobody would ever typo "md" as "dm" or vice versa. |
| 19:06.13 | enouf | greycat: and more! |
| 19:06.18 | nsadmin | (and backup/restore etc) |
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| 19:07.38 | enouf | Malle: see if there's anything about using El Torito standard over floppy emulation mode, and see if there's a setting for RockRidge extensions, enable that |
| 19:07.44 | DuCkNeT | jintxo: or so if i do understand when i install debian i install on one drive and i work with mdamd to create my array after ? |
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| 19:08.16 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, no, you do it during install by creating same-sized partitions on both disks and telling the installer to create the raid for you before actually installing. |
| 19:08.37 | DuCkNeT | ok let me try it now... |
| 19:08.42 | jintxo | you can do it all during install |
| 19:08.49 | DuCkNeT | ill try now |
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| 19:09.02 | nsadmin | do you have stuff on the existing array? |
| 19:09.07 | Malle | enouf netinstall failed |
| 19:09.08 | greycat | DuCkNeT: you can create mdadm devices during the installation |
| 19:09.19 | jintxo | DuCkNeT, yeah, you haveDATA you want to keep? |
| 19:09.43 | Auu | :) |
| 19:09.47 | Malle | and there's no such option enouf |
| 19:09.55 | nsadmin | this will destroy everything on the array... you sure you want to do that? |
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| 19:10.12 | DuCkNeT | jintxo: nop |
| 19:10.17 | jintxo | yay .-) |
| 19:10.22 | DuCkNeT | yeah haha |
| 19:10.25 | nsadmin | you're all set then |
| 19:10.32 | E_mE_ | hi, i'm having strange problem: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/c/curl/libcurl3_7.15.5-1etch1_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 19:10.41 | E_mE_ | where has it gone? |
| 19:10.48 | nsadmin | aptitude update |
| 19:10.49 | greycat | E_mE_: did you do an apt-get update? |
| 19:11.00 | E_mE_ | ah fair point :) |
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| 19:11.34 | E_mE_ | and now i get: (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl3_7.15.5-1etch2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 19:11.34 | E_mE_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.43 | enouf | Malle: ok ... |
| 19:12.42 | greycat | sounds like you have a corrupted package |
| 19:13.09 | E_mE_ | i've rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
| 19:13.11 | greycat | E_mE_: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libattr1.list |
| 19:13.13 | E_mE_ | and tried again |
| 19:13.41 | E_mE_ | it exists greycat |
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| 19:13.48 | greycat | Is it 0 bytes? |
| 19:14.03 | E_mE_ | nope 410b |
| 19:14.48 | greycat | Mine is 201 on my etch box. |
| 19:15.15 | greycat | E_mE_: can you pastebin the libattr1.list file? |
| 19:15.31 | E_mE_ | sure |
| 19:15.31 | enouf | E_mE_: try installingwhy would you have to "rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*" ? |
| 19:15.34 | enouf | and did you recently alter your sources.list? |
| 19:15.47 | greycat | enouf: I'm more concerned about the actual error he pasted |
| 19:15.47 | E_mE_ | pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/private/8xvxxehog5ogdmhe5pakmw |
| 19:15.47 | nsadmin | thats the same as apt-get clean |
| 19:15.50 | E_mE_ | there you go |
| 19:16.12 | greycat | E_mE_: that is /var/lib/dpkg/info/libattr1.list ??? |
| 19:16.16 | E_mE_ | ja |
| 19:16.24 | greycat | That's... not right. |
| 19:16.55 | ilaiho | hi! |
| 19:17.11 | greycat | You've somehow got a shell script in a place there should be a list of files one per line. |
| 19:17.12 | nsadmin | E_mE_: could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please? |
| 19:17.19 | E_mE_ | ok |
| 19:17.31 | ilaiho | there is a grave functionality bug in stable's ktechlab |
| 19:17.34 | ilaiho | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525002 |
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| 19:18.00 | E_mE_ | pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/private/u8davkv3bf5vm5njnsng |
| 19:18.30 | ilaiho | Package maintainer Georges Khaznadar thinks "there is no valid procedure to backport the version 0.3.6-4 into Debian |
| 19:18.32 | E_mE_ | thats my sources.list |
| 19:18.35 | nsadmin | wow |
| 19:18.35 | enouf | E_mE_: does ls /var/lib/apt/lists show (text of) mirrors you no longer use, or which don't match what's in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 19:19.49 | E_mE_ | pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/private/67dc9lqvl3jrxcgx9l933a |
| 19:19.56 | E_mE_ | thats my lists |
| 19:20.03 | jelly-home | ilaiho: if the package is completely broken in lenny, and if a backport doesn't introduce any new dependencies, and if no other package in stable would get broken by such upgrade, it could be done, |
| 19:20.11 | enouf | is not sure he should even glance ... |
| 19:20.31 | greycat | E_mE_: I'd stop worrying about the sources.list and fix the corrupted libattr1.list file. Let me give you mine: |
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| 19:20.44 | E_mE_ | okay cool thanks greycat |
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| 19:20.58 | jelly-home | ilaiho: firefox/iceweasel got such full version updates in sarge or etch at the time. |
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| 19:21.07 | nsadmin | yeah, the sources.list looks totally fine |
| 19:21.09 | greycat | E_mE_: http://wooledge.org/~greg/foo |
| 19:21.42 | E_mE_ | he my file looks totally different heh |
| 19:21.50 | greycat | Yeah, I don't know how yours got that way. |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | None of the other libattr1.* files even match. |
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| 19:22.12 | Malle | enouf i even tried another program and choose "burn bootable image cd" |
| 19:22.27 | Malle | still not working, however its working with the windowx xp install disc |
| 19:22.39 | ilaiho | jelly-home: if i try to install squeeze's ktechlab to lenny, it will fail due unsatisfiable dependencies |
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| 19:23.06 | jelly-home | ilaiho: yeah, don't do that |
| 19:23.19 | jelly-home | ilaiho: follow /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:23.24 | ilaiho | but maybe it could be compiled against lenny's libraries |
| 19:23.34 | j0nr | hi all. I just installed debian for the first time. Just trying to get wireless connected...what's the best way to achieve this? thanks |
| 19:23.38 | enouf | you don't do things like "rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*" and expect to have a working pkg management system .. gawd only knows what else was done |
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| 19:23.40 | nsadmin | ilaiho: you might be able to find a backport or (like you just said) you can build it |
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| 19:24.00 | E_mE_ | no help greycat ... still get this: |
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| 19:24.10 | E_mE_ | pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/private/yd4juycghazfym9upn6gfw |
| 19:24.13 | enouf | hence, my follow through of checking sources.list, and other things |
| 19:24.15 | davidisko | hi guys, i have web fileserver based on 24x1TB disks on 9650SE 3ware.. i'm getting very high loads (200) on 500+mbits outgoing traffic.. don't know why.. can anyone help somhow? |
| 19:24.27 | ilaiho | nsadmin: it is not in backports |
| 19:25.00 | nsadmin | so you'd have to build it I guess |
| 19:25.02 | ilaiho | so i try to build it |
| 19:25.03 | greycat | enouf: well, it *did* help, because now you're showing a different error. |
| 19:25.07 | greycat | enouf: sorry. |
| 19:25.14 | greycat | E_mE_: well, it *did* help, because now you're showing a different error. |
| 19:25.19 | enouf | no worries |
| 19:25.52 | nsadmin | E_mE_: notice that the error is now referring to a different package |
| 19:25.56 | E_mE_ | ja sorry |
| 19:25.59 | E_mE_ | i see what you mean |
| 19:26.12 | E_mE_ | the file libcomerr2.list contains a load of script |
| 19:26.15 | E_mE_ | :( |
| 19:26.16 | greycat | I wonder how many of your *.list files are broken. |
| 19:26.42 | nsadmin | pastebin that one |
| 19:27.14 | nsadmin | maybe we can come up with a script that can count and/or list them |
| 19:27.15 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/foo updated to show both of mine |
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| 19:28.01 | greycat | It's going to be a bitch if you've broken *all* of them... |
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| 19:28.34 | E_mE_ | doesn't look like its all |
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| 19:29.03 | nsadmin | E_mE_: no idea how this happened, btw? |
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| 19:29.17 | E_mE_ | no idea sorry, this is one of my webservers |
| 19:29.27 | Malle | enouf just tried an ubuntu install disc, its working aswell WTF |
| 19:29.27 | E_mE_ | it just stopped working |
| 19:29.28 | olri | hi davidisko , what did top say, is it us, sy, ni, wait or what ? |
| 19:29.38 | greycat | cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; for f in *.list; do read < "$f"; if [[ $f = "#!"* ]]; then echo "$f begins with a shebang, probably broken"; fi; done |
| 19:29.40 | ilaiho | jelly-home: is static linking an allowed way to do that? |
| 19:30.02 | greycat | Errr, no, that's wrong. |
| 19:30.12 | greycat | cd /var/lib/dpkg/info; for f in *.list; do read < "$f"; if [[ $REPLY = "#!"* ]]; then echo "$f begins with a shebang, probably broken"; fi; done |
| 19:30.19 | jelly-home | ilaiho: don't do it unless you have to |
| 19:30.46 | E_mE_ | im just grepping the files greycat |
| 19:30.47 | nsadmin | read sets REPLY? |
| 19:31.08 | greycat | I suppose 'grep "^#!" *.list' would also work |
| 19:31.09 | jelly-home | in bash, maybe. |
| 19:31.14 | enouf | Malle: ubuntu disk boots? debian (both cd1 and netinstall) do not? |
| 19:31.16 | greycat | nsadmin: yes, in bash. |
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| 19:31.27 | nsadmin | I did not know that :) |
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| 19:31.49 | MrWax | I use EasyBCD (need to have Windows Vista partition of the disk as MBR, sorry) to boot into my debian partition (into grub) but it boots into grub and I only get grub command line grub> - does anyone know how i could fix this? |
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| 19:32.05 | bolt | how do I save my entire loaded xmodmap (consists of several files currently) into a single file which does it all? |
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| 19:33.15 | nsadmin | MrWax: from the grub command line you can boot pretty much anything that's there |
| 19:33.18 | E_mE_ | greycat: im trying to find the option to return just hte file names |
| 19:33.23 | greycat | grep -l |
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| 19:33.28 | E_mE_ | ah cool |
| 19:33.30 | MrWax | nsadmin: can you explain how? |
| 19:33.31 | greycat | Or you could use mine and just remove the text. |
| 19:33.49 | greycat | Mine reads only the first line of each file, instead of the whole file. |
| 19:34.21 | nsadmin | MrWax: is the machine you are trying to boot separate from the one you're ircing to this channel on? |
| 19:34.43 | MrWax | nsadmin: no, but i can write fast :) |
| 19:34.55 | MrWax | and this stays open, screen session on my shell |
| 19:35.19 | E_mE_ | greycat: gonna pastie now |
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| 19:35.38 | E_mE_ | pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/private/dh5ocbjfwkgpevf8kxf9ag |
| 19:35.43 | nsadmin | ok... in that case you need to study up on grub and booting in general... one good thing about grub is the tab key can complete some things |
| 19:35.44 | lxsameer | how can i install locale ? |
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| 19:35.58 | greycat | you didn't need sudo or -R |
| 19:36.10 | nsadmin | what you might try first is grub> root ( |
| 19:36.14 | greycat | lxsameer: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 19:36.17 | nsadmin | then hit tab a coupla times |
| 19:36.18 | enouf | MrWax: did you install grub onto the debian partition? and is it a logical partition? |
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| 19:36.29 | nsadmin | see what your choices are |
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| 19:36.33 | MrWax | nsadmin: 1 min |
| 19:36.39 | nsadmin | you don't have another machine? |
| 19:36.49 | nsadmin | that you can get here with? |
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| 19:37.10 | enouf | lxsameer: also; /msg dpkg locales |
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| 19:37.25 | nsadmin | MrWax: also note enouf has a question for you |
| 19:37.50 | enouf | nsadmin: and ... besides tab completion there;s find, cat, and other things |
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| 19:38.09 | enouf | like "find /boot/grub/stage1" |
| 19:38.31 | nsadmin | enouf, MrWax: so grub's shell is pretty good |
| 19:38.38 | greycat | E_mE_: http://wooledge.org/~greg/foo.tar.gz |
| 19:38.47 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to shed light on why I am not getting mail through with an error of "can't find a mail exchanger or IP address. (#5.4.4)" but dig is showing A and MX correctly? |
| 19:38.49 | nsadmin | in terms of helping you boot |
| 19:38.54 | E_mE_ | greycat: appricated :) |
| 19:39.03 | greycat | E_mE_: from a Debian 4.0 i386 box, with libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 |
| 19:39.06 | MrWax | nsadmin: when i press root( and hit tab nothing happens |
| 19:39.11 | MrWax | when i type root and enter |
| 19:39.17 | MrWax | I get filesystem type is ntfs |
| 19:39.23 | enouf | nsadmin: fwiw - he asked similarly prior, and i noticed he's basically using a diff bootloader for the system and something-i-forget in between that bootloader and grub |
| 19:39.29 | E_mE_ | greycat: 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:39.59 | nsadmin | put a space, like this root ( <--- the cursor will be here, hit tab (before pressing enter) |
| 19:40.02 | j0nr | hmmm ok, i am coming from ubuntu... i added my username to sudoers...but what is my sudo password? its not taking my user password or the root password? |
| 19:40.14 | enouf | MrWax: root <spave> |
| 19:40.16 | greycat | E_mE_: I'd recommend reinstalling each of those packages (apt-get --reinstall install ...) once you've uncorrupted the *.list files. |
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| 19:40.20 | enouf | space even |
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| 19:40.58 | jpinx-eeepc | j0nr: it depends on what you put in sudoers - paste it |
| 19:41.10 | nsadmin | I'm a comin from ubuntu with a thumb harp on muh knee.... |
| 19:41.36 | E_mE_ | greycat: thank you very much , really appreciating your help |
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| 19:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | plain "su" was always good enough for me |
| 19:41.56 | enouf | MrWax: i'm going to hazard a guess - that's a laptop? why not install on another separate HDD - the Blista will be happy and you can use the grub map command to remap drives at will ;-) |
| 19:42.04 | greycat | j0nr: by default, sudo wants you to type your own password |
| 19:42.05 | Joelito | question: why rox-filer in "etch" is multilanguage" and in "lenny" is only in english? ¬¬ |
| 19:42.09 | j0nr | jpinx-eeepc: I just added the line: jonrALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 19:42.11 | MrWax | enouf: it's on a desktop |
| 19:42.17 | enouf | MrWax: and .. did you use grub1 or grub2? |
| 19:42.18 | greycat | j0nr: this is so random people walking by your desk can't hack root |
| 19:42.18 | j0nr | with a tab between jonr and ALL |
| 19:42.22 | MrWax | and I need it like this, have only 1 hdd, with 2 partitions |
| 19:42.26 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: but you wouldn't want to do that from an unknown env like a student's unix shell window... |
| 19:42.39 | MrWax | enouf: idk, i used that that came with the netinst cd of the latest debian version |
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| 19:42.56 | j0nr | greycat: but it isn't taking my normal password |
| 19:43.00 | jpinx-eeepc | j0nr: with a space? |
| 19:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I don't see that it'd make a difference to sudo |
| 19:43.12 | E_mE_ | greycat: another error: pastie following |
| 19:43.23 | j0nr | jpinx-eeepc: yeah jonr ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 19:43.25 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: leaves the env set the way it was |
| 19:43.25 | E_mE_ | pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/private/uvv7uj4owlxl1wcpcqrua |
| 19:43.30 | j0nr | just copied the root one and changed the name |
| 19:43.35 | greycat | j0nr: you're typing it wrong, probably. |
| 19:43.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, that's what '-' is for |
| 19:43.53 | nsadmin | right :) |
| 19:43.56 | jpinx-eeepc | j0nr: did you use visudo to edit sudoers? |
| 19:44.09 | j0nr | hold on....it may be working :\ |
| 19:44.12 | greycat | E_mE_: When was the last time you did an fsck on this box? |
| 19:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... sudo wouldn't work at all from that account because he'd not be in sudoers |
| 19:44.23 | enouf | !sudoers |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | sudoers is, like, You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 19:44.24 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, I see, I missed what you're comparing su to |
| 19:44.37 | enouf | mine has a NOPASSWD |
| 19:44.43 | nsadmin | oh, to sudo |
| 19:44.47 | Malle | enouf correct |
| 19:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't see the point of sudo |
| 19:44.53 | enouf | but .. i use su anyways :-) |
| 19:44.58 | greycat | The bot's factoid used to have NOPASSWD as well. greybot does. |
| 19:45.08 | jpinx-eeepc | has a selection of applications for sudo |
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| 19:45.12 | enouf | i thought so too greycat ... huh |
| 19:45.22 | E_mE_ | greycat: not a long time |
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| 19:45.23 | nsadmin | greybot: you're on the spot! |
| 19:45.24 | javio | buenas tardes |
| 19:45.26 | greycat | <-greybot[i=rfc1413@wooledge.org] To use sudo commands in a script (without prompting for a password), put something like this into the sudoers(5) file: username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program |
| 19:45.44 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell javio about es |
| 19:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, admittedly a passwordless sudo would be preferrable to a passwordless root account |
| 19:45.46 | abrotman | what could go wrong .. |
| 19:45.59 | E_mE_ | greycat: its a working server |
| 19:45.59 | greycat | E_mE_: might be a good time.... |
| 19:46.03 | javio | yes yes sorry |
| 19:46.21 | E_mE_ | greycat: what command do i use? |
| 19:46.28 | greycat | E_mE_: do you have another Debian i386 4.0 system available to transfer non-corrupt files from? |
| 19:46.39 | E_mE_ | greycat: no :( |
| 19:46.42 | MrWax | nsadmin: I get |
| 19:46.47 | MrWax | nsadmin: possible disks are hd0 rd |
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| 19:46.59 | E_mE_ | greycat: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-02-26 21:21 libacl1.list |
| 19:46.59 | E_mE_ | drwxr-sr-x 2 news news 4096 2008-07-07 00:32 libpam0g.md5sums |
| 19:47.04 | greycat | E_mE_: for the fsck stuff... is /var/lib/dpkg/info part of the root FS, or a separate FS? |
| 19:47.05 | E_mE_ | those are the two directories |
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| 19:47.20 | enouf | Malle: if you can, see what version of isolinux is on the ubuntu cd and mail all info to debian-boot@lists.debian.org .. or check on their channel on irc.debian.org |
| 19:47.55 | MrWax | nsadmin: any idea ? |
| 19:48.01 | enouf | Malle: it's odd .. but .. i wonder what happens if you Burn using something other than Nero .. i know atleast XP has a free app avail |
| 19:48.23 | E_mE_ | greycat: the answer to your question is yes |
| 19:48.31 | E_mE_ | same FS |
| 19:48.42 | greycat | E_mE_: if it's in the root FS, then "touch /forcefsck" and reboot |
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| 19:48.58 | E_mE_ | urk i can reboot its a running server |
| 19:49.03 | E_mE_ | can't* |
| 19:49.07 | greycat | E_mE_: although in your current situation I'd be a bit worried about it not booting... |
| 19:49.21 | greycat | Gods only know what else got corrupted. |
| 19:49.21 | Malle | enouf working now |
| 19:49.29 | Malle | i burned it on antoher computer -.- |
| 19:49.33 | Malle | nero is fucked or my burner |
| 19:49.42 | E_mE_ | greycat: can you give me those two other files as listed above please? |
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| 19:50.15 | greycat | E_mE_: another thing you should consider doing it getting another Debian 4.0 i386 box available as a backup server, development server, etc. |
| 19:50.15 | enouf | Malle: ok - good to hear - which burning app on the other pc? if also nero, tell me versions please? |
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| 19:50.40 | Malle | yup |
| 19:50.48 | Malle | fault pc ? nero 9 |
| 19:50.49 | E_mE_ | greycat: this box costs a fair amount each month :S ... maybe ill ask tech support to fix things up |
| 19:51.02 | enouf | Malle: and working pc has? |
| 19:51.03 | greycat | Not necessarily in the same hosting place. It could be in your house.. |
| 19:51.21 | E_mE_ | greycat: ah see your point, might be an idea actually |
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| 19:51.51 | E_mE_ | is it possible to have those 2 files? so i can at least get the stuff i want installed in |
| 19:51.51 | Malle | working pc = nero 6 express |
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| 19:52.14 | greycat | E_mE_: I can't even guarantee my *.md5sums file would match yours. But anyway: http://wooledge.org/~greg/foo.tar.gz |
| 19:52.30 | E_mE_ | greycat: thanks :) |
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| 19:53.04 | greycat | Nah, multiplayer notepads are called "wikis". |
| 19:53.36 | j0nr_ | is there an equivalent to ubuntu-restricted-extras? |
| 19:54.22 | jintxo | j0nr, what is it? |
| 19:54.49 | enouf | Malle: wow .. well to see if it's your burner, or nero, use the same nero versions ... on both boxen .. or burn other CDs (oh .. you already did burn the ubuntu disk on fault pc using nero 9? which then booted that pc?) |
| 19:54.49 | Malle | anyone know what this cldera dr dos shit is |
| 19:55.10 | Malle | enouf cba.. i work 13hours a day .. 5 days in a row.. |
| 19:55.13 | jpinx-eeepc | j0nr read man sudo - there's everything you need in there |
| 19:55.13 | enouf | caldera - heh |
| 19:55.14 | Malle | time for sleep now |
| 19:55.19 | greycat | DR-DOS is an alternative to MS-DOS. Caldera bought it many years ago. |
| 19:55.22 | enouf | zzzzz |
| 19:55.41 | enouf | then there's FREEDOS |
| 19:55.49 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: except for the stuff in man sudoers |
| 19:55.52 | Malle | yeah but the shit comes with the debian 5.0 cd |
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| 19:56.10 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: touchê |
| 19:56.22 | greycat | I thought it was touché |
| 19:56.25 | enouf | oh .. that's likely there as an alternate DOS system if needed to like .. flash your BIOS or such |
| 19:56.32 | j0nr_ | jintxo: installs a bunch of stuff like flash, java, etc to make everything work |
| 19:56.46 | enouf | or to somehow use it to help make SBM |
| 19:56.55 | jintxo | j0nr, take a look at debian multimeia if that's what you're looking for |
| 19:57.05 | jelly-home | Touché Turtlé? |
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| 19:57.34 | greycat | is Touché Tigre the next ubuntu release? |
| 19:57.48 | jintxo | I think it was www.debian-multimedia.org, j0nr_ |
| 19:57.55 | enouf | à áâãäæ |
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| 19:58.17 | greycat | j0nr_: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 19:59.12 | enouf | there's also a unofficial debian .net site something .. i always get the name wrong though .. one sec |
| 20:00.35 | enouf | here it is; http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
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| 20:01.31 | Malle | enouf |
| 20:01.41 | Malle | so this caldera dr dos shit is up |
| 20:01.49 | greycat | you... booted into it? |
| 20:01.51 | Malle | but why inst the install for debian 5.0 booting |
| 20:02.30 | enouf | ahh that reminds me - i still have yet to try opera as a browser .. i can't stand bloat |
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| 20:03.19 | enouf | Malle: i don't understand you |
| 20:03.49 | enouf | Malle: booting the CD should not bring up any dr dos things |
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| 20:04.00 | Malle | it came up.. |
| 20:04.06 | Malle | i put in the debian 5.0 cd |
| 20:04.12 | Malle | then cladera shit starts |
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| 20:04.26 | enouf | something is really screwy with your BIOS or something |
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| 20:04.59 | enouf | what was it? a p3 500 or so? IBM desktop? |
| 20:05.07 | Malle | yes |
| 20:05.14 | Malle | never seen it before |
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| 20:05.18 | Malle | with old disk u used |
| 20:05.21 | Malle | i used sarge |
| 20:05.23 | Malle | debian started |
| 20:05.25 | Malle | i installed |
| 20:05.30 | Malle | then everything was fine |
| 20:05.34 | enouf | Malle: easy on the ENTER key pleas |
| 20:05.39 | Malle | okay im sorry. |
| 20:05.49 | enouf | Malle: do you still have the Sarge Cd? |
| 20:05.57 | Malle | nope, lost it |
| 20:05.58 | enouf | try booting that |
| 20:06.01 | enouf | ok |
| 20:06.22 | Malle | if i had the disk i wouldnt go throught all this trouble because i could just have upgraded to lenny from sarge ofcourse.. but now thats not quite the case |
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| 20:06.34 | enouf | you sure the BIOS isn't set to something stupid like OS/2 ? |
| 20:07.04 | enouf | (my p150 offers those choices, but not my oem made p2) |
| 20:07.40 | Malle | what do you mean by OS/2 |
| 20:07.46 | jintxo | hehe |
| 20:07.53 | enouf | !os2 |
| 20:07.53 | dpkg | [os2] a nice 32-bit OS made by IBM, but was a flop as IBM didn't market it well enough. it is now dead., but could run Windows 3.1 applications. or not so dead; IBM still use it internally quite a bit, and see odin |
| 20:08.03 | Malle | the hard disk is clean, from factory.. and i have not change anything in bios since last HDD and everything worked fine |
| 20:08.31 | enouf | Malle: clean? run dd over it - zero it out .. still - a CD should boot, even without a HDD |
| 20:08.44 | Malle | what is dd? |
| 20:09.02 | enouf | maybe IBM was using IML then and tatooed the disk the way Compaq did |
| 20:09.08 | Malle | the lenny disk is booting, but its starting this Caldera shit as i said, ive never seen it before |
| 20:09.17 | enouf | so .. basically the BIOS code was on the disk ... if so ..ugh |
| 20:09.34 | enouf | Malle: do you get a Boot: prompt? |
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| 20:09.58 | Malle | i can type commands yes if thats what ur saying |
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| 20:09.59 | enouf | no, that's not what i'm asking |
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| 20:10.22 | enouf | Manoj: once it boots and stops, can you press F1-F10 and see help screens? |
| 20:10.32 | enouf | erm Malle - not Manoj |
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| 20:11.06 | Malle | no |
| 20:11.27 | greycat | sounds like the CD was not burned correctly, or he used the wrong image |
| 20:11.28 | Malle | without the disk i get "os not found" , when i have the disk in it automaticly boots Caldera 7.0.3 |
| 20:11.31 | enouf | then something is amiss ... you said ubuntu will boot? see if you can install that |
| 20:11.39 | enouf | i mean just start the process ... |
| 20:11.41 | Malle | i dont want ubuntu.. |
| 20:11.47 | enouf | then back out |
| 20:11.53 | Malle | i started the ubuntu process, worked like a charm |
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| 20:11.57 | dondelelcaro | Malle: then you're not booting off of the CD or you haven't burned the CD properly. |
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| 20:12.22 | Malle | i downloaded the iso from debian, choosed burn bootable disk and selected the debian .iso |
| 20:12.32 | Malle | is there anything i can do wrong about it |
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| 20:12.39 | enouf | dondelelcaro: is there dr dos stuff on the CDs? perhaps i'm mistaken, i recall some windows/dos related things in there |
| 20:12.48 | jintxo | Malle, the softwar you used to burn the CD put DR-DOS on the boot sector |
| 20:12.57 | enouf | ugh |
| 20:12.59 | Malle | doh.. |
| 20:13.03 | dondelelcaro | Malle: uh... you should be choosing the "burn iso image" option, not the burn bootable disk option |
| 20:13.08 | enouf | Nero 6 express? |
| 20:13.10 | Malle | ok.. ill try |
| 20:13.13 | Malle | yes enouf |
| 20:13.17 | jintxo | Malle, you sholdhave just burnt the ISO straight to disk (option ike "burn image" or somethinglike that) |
| 20:13.25 | Malle | ill try |
| 20:13.27 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever the program you're using calls it) |
| 20:13.30 | enouf | Malle: as dondelelcaro just mentioned - and i think i did before as well |
| 20:13.38 | enouf | choose "Burn Image" |
| 20:13.40 | dondelelcaro | enouf: nope |
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| 20:13.52 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i see now - thanks |
| 20:14.06 | dondelelcaro | enouf: we used to distribute some things in tools, but we removed all (or almost all) of them |
| 20:14.19 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ahh ... ok |
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| 20:14.37 | greycat | I remember the one DOS tool you were supposed to use to make boot floppies... can't remember the name though |
| 20:14.38 | enouf | i recall stuff for SBM and some other tools as you said |
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| 20:14.47 | jintxo | rawrite |
| 20:14.53 | greycat | yeah |
| 20:15.04 | nsadmin | and rawrite2 |
| 20:15.07 | jintxo | and then there was laodlin, I wonder if that still exiss |
| 20:15.12 | enouf | greycat: in debian? sys .. yeah ... those i recall seeing the various rawwrite ones |
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| 20:15.23 | greycat | enouf: I was thinking of rawrite |
| 20:15.24 | enouf | nm |
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| 20:17.37 | phet | Hello, how can I fix the bug with exaile? (testing) |
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| 20:19.35 | Malle | now its not working again enouf |
| 20:19.45 | Malle | i burned the cd on 2 different computers.. |
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| 20:20.47 | maplebed | (apologies if this is OT.) I'd like to set up an IRC daemon (running on etch) that only accepts SSL connections and only allows users to connect if they can successfully auth against PAM. Any comments on whether that's possible / easy or how to do it? |
| 20:20.50 | Malle | should it be this hard to get debian .. sight.. |
| 20:21.15 | dondelelcaro | Malle: it's not. If you burn the CD properly, it will work fine. |
| 20:21.17 | greycat | Do you have a unix/linux machine to burn CDs on? |
| 20:21.20 | Malle | dondelelcaro |
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| 20:21.26 | Malle | all other cds work fine |
| 20:21.34 | greycat | burning with "cdrecord image.iso" is a lot easier than Windows. |
| 20:21.36 | Malle | how can i burn a CD wrong, ive burned 100 cds before all work |
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| 20:21.48 | Malle | ive tried 2 different burning programs on 2 different pc's |
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| 20:21.53 | dondelelcaro | Malle: well, you certainly burned the one that has DR DOS on it wrongly. |
| 20:22.15 | Malle | yeah that was the only one, all others about 4 discs were burnt on the same way |
| 20:22.20 | jintxo | Malle, did you check the md5sum to make sure that the download is not corrupt (re-download if in doubt) |
| 20:22.22 | dondelelcaro | Malle: you'll know that you've burned it properly if it mounts and has things that look like Debian on it |
| 20:22.41 | themill | Following etch->lenny, is there any reason why I shouldn't "svnadmin upgrade" on my svn repos? |
| 20:22.45 | dondelelcaro | (well, you'll have a chance of having burned it properly, anyway) |
| 20:22.47 | Malle | jintxo how do i do it... |
| 20:22.53 | dondelelcaro | themill: after a backup, no. |
| 20:22.56 | Malle | dondelelcaro , all other cds mount properly |
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| 20:22.58 | Malle | . |
| 20:22.59 | themill | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 20:23.12 | jintxo | Malle, just re-download |
| 20:23.26 | Malle | i donwloaded it on 2 different compuiters jintxo |
| 20:23.42 | nsadmin | Malle greycat has a question for you |
| 20:23.48 | greycat | I do? |
| 20:23.57 | Malle | greycat no i dont have one |
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| 20:24.03 | Malle | jintxo -> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-501-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 20:24.06 | Malle | thats the link i use |
| 20:24.07 | nsadmin | <greycat> Do you have a unix/linux machine to burn CDs on? |
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| 20:24.31 | Philippe46 | ok |
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| 20:25.17 | Philippe46 | if you cannot download once big DVD. you can download netinst image and download other from official reposity |
| 20:25.23 | nsadmin | Malle: what os do you use? |
| 20:25.36 | greycat | I generally use the netinst images. |
| 20:25.48 | Malle | Philippe46 i already tried netinstall on one of the CD's . nsadmin Windows xp |
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| 20:26.16 | nsadmin | maybe there's a port of something like cdrecord for win32? |
| 20:26.22 | greycat | Doubtful. |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | there are free tools to burn ISOs |
| 20:26.47 | nsadmin | that would be his ticket |
| 20:26.56 | Philippe46 | ok. you can burn CD image with FREE Record programs |
| 20:27.01 | greycat | There's barely a port of cdrecord for Linux, given how much strife there is between Joerg and the Linux people. |
| 20:27.36 | abrotman | greycat: most major distros stopped using the joerg-impaired version awhile ago |
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| 20:28.00 | nsadmin | backing away slowly... from my curiousity about the strife... |
| 20:28.02 | greycat | You'll note that I've carefully chosen my wording not to express my opinion one way or the other in that battle. |
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| 20:28.15 | greycat | (If you pressed me, I'd side with Joerg, not with Linux.) |
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| 20:28.45 | abrotman | greycat: i don't have a problem with the 'cdrecord' itself .. just the way the author acts .. kind of like tuomov |
| 20:29.59 | nsadmin | technical, communication or political issue? |
| 20:30.06 | greycat | "yes" ;-) |
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| 20:30.19 | nsadmin | all of the above? |
| 20:30.23 | greycat | yeah |
| 20:30.39 | nsadmin | backing away really really fast... from my curiousity about the strife... |
| 20:30.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: good plan :) |
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| 20:30.58 | Philippe46 | plus one |
| 20:30.59 | dthree | hello |
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| 20:31.03 | Philippe46 | hello |
| 20:31.12 | nsadmin | thanks greycat |
| 20:31.18 | dthree | one questing how can i register #debian-ar ? |
| 20:31.32 | greycat | dthree: /msg chanserv help |
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| 20:31.36 | abrotman | dthree: why not use #debian-es ? |
| 20:31.42 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.43 | nsadmin | err |
| 20:31.45 | nsadmin | help |
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| 20:31.55 | dthree | abrotman, i want a channel for debian-ar.org |
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| 20:32.03 | abrotman | nsadmin: if you want to read more .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrkit .. for wthaever that's worth |
| 20:32.05 | dthree | argentinian comunity |
| 20:32.13 | abrotman | dthree: that's different than #debian-ar .. |
| 20:32.15 | lxsameer | i running etch , how can i change my default python version from 2.4 to 2.5? |
| 20:32.33 | dthree | abrotman why? |
| 20:32.35 | themill | abrotman: heard of #debian-uk? |
| 20:32.43 | abrotman | dthree: and the website says it has #debian-argentina already |
| 20:32.51 | Malle | lxsameer try apt get install python 2.5 ? |
| 20:32.55 | Malle | or search for the package ? |
| 20:33.00 | dthree | abrotman yes, but i want change it |
| 20:33.02 | greycat | lxsameer: make /usr/bin/python a symlink to whatever version |
| 20:33.07 | dthree | debian-ar sound cool :P |
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| 20:33.31 | lxsameer | greycat: but what about the old python that is in python path? |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | dthree: i'm not sure if you need to contact the debian group admins or not, or if it would be easier to just go ##debian-ar |
| 20:33.35 | themill | greycat: eek... |
| 20:33.35 | stew | in theory, cdrtools will be in debian again sometime in the (nearish?) future |
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| 20:33.42 | abrotman | stew: lies! |
| 20:33.58 | greycat | svr3:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ls -l $(which python) |
| 20:33.58 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2007-12-03 16:34 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
| 20:34.05 | abrotman | stew: does that mean cdrkit will die ? |
| 20:34.13 | themill | greycat: python 2.4 to 2.5 was a long and painful transition in lenny. |
| 20:34.15 | greycat | I don't see a problem with changing that, as long as you are prepared for anything that counts on /usr/bin/python being 2.4 breaking. |
| 20:34.20 | dthree | abrotman ok, thanks |
| 20:34.26 | stew | abrotman: schilly said he is re-licensing it now that opensolaris is planning on dropping it otherwise |
| 20:34.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:34.32 | abrotman | cute |
| 20:34.38 | enouf | Malle: only thing else i could suggest, if your d/l is not bad/corrupt, is a) reflash the BIOS, b) try the debian-live cd c) install some other way, netboot, or debootstrap, .. or even http://goodbye-windows.com |
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| 20:34.48 | zibri | cdrtools... much fun reading :D |
| 20:34.55 | enouf | or USB key Malle |
| 20:35.04 | Malle | enouf dling livecd now |
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| 20:35.06 | zibri | sane guy... |
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| 20:35.14 | Malle | i should take the debian-live-500-i386-standard.iso right? |
| 20:35.17 | enouf | stew: no more CDDL? |
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| 20:35.27 | greycat | -live? is that a netinst? |
| 20:35.31 | enouf | (atleast for cdrecord) |
| 20:35.33 | enouf | !live |
| 20:35.34 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-live on OFTC (irc.debian.org). |
| 20:35.34 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 20:35.35 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own LiveCD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 20:35.54 | enouf | hrm .. those should be the same ;-) |
| 20:35.56 | stew | enouf: i think so |
| 20:36.14 | Malle | 70kb/s .. jesus christ do they use modems :X |
| 20:36.21 | nsadmin | so, is cdrecord moreorless bad juju? |
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| 20:36.48 | enouf | nsadmin: let's just say .. i've given up on all optical media :-P |
| 20:37.03 | nsadmin | oh man |
| 20:37.05 | Malle | enouf i dont know if to take the .rescue or the .standard |
| 20:37.08 | greycat | nsadmin: some people claim cdrecord is superior to all the imitators like cdrkit/wodim. Others claim Joerg Schilling is full of shit. |
| 20:37.31 | enouf | Malle: i don't know either - but i'd guess standard |
| 20:37.34 | greycat | !netinst |
| 20:37.34 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD image (or set of floppy images) which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>. |
| 20:37.47 | enouf | greycat: he's done the netinstall as well as cd1 |
| 20:37.52 | greycat | enouf: so he says. |
| 20:37.57 | Malle | im dling the standard in 60kb/s enouf hehe and the rescue in 4MB/s .. sight |
| 20:38.02 | nsadmin | greycat: the "others claim" part sounds like haters |
| 20:38.48 | enouf | greycat: indeed - i see no reason to disbelieve .. yet .. though who knows; redmond pays handsomely for well-trained-trollage :-P |
| 20:38.53 | greycat | People who think 70 kB/s downloads are 'slow' need a serious wet-noodle-lashing. |
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| 20:39.38 | nsadmin | da wettter da bettter |
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| 20:39.49 | greycat | And no, 70 kB/s is not "modems". That is about 14 times the top speed of a modem. |
| 20:39.58 | enouf | greycat: (unrelated to Malle issue) .. but when KonqOut d/l at 3kb/sec on a 15/2mbit line .. you know something is wrong! |
| 20:40.28 | enouf | greycat: and links2, wget, curl ... all zippy - i get 1.7MB/sec at times |
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| 20:41.45 | justin | considers anything under 1MB/sec to be slow heh |
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| 20:42.11 | nsadmin | justin: how's life in the tower? :) |
| 20:42.15 | enouf | Malle: not sure if it's a typo, but i think you wanted s/sight/sigh/ |
| 20:42.37 | lxsameer | where does apt store the postinst file for deb file? |
| 20:42.51 | greycat | it's actually dpkg that 'stores' them, and they are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 20:44.02 | greycat | "locate postinst" would've given you a faster answer, probably |
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| 20:44.47 | enouf | heh "dpkg -l <any-pkg-name>" |
| 20:44.52 | khaije1 | are there any comprehensive benchmarking tools for linux? the only one i'm aware of is phoronix test suite, are there others? |
| 20:45.06 | enouf | just in case updatedb was never run O_o |
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| 20:45.38 | enouf | khaije1: i only know of lbs.sourceforge.net |
| 20:45.51 | enouf | never used them/those - but seen the pages |
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| 20:46.06 | Dillizar | hey any body here |
| 20:46.13 | enouf | no |
| 20:46.18 | maplebed | all empty. |
| 20:46.22 | Dillizar | damn |
| 20:46.22 | Dillizar | :D |
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| 20:46.24 | Dillizar | hey |
| 20:46.31 | enouf | !enter |
| 20:46.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:46.51 | Dillizar | i had a deb file with the newest kernel but i deleted and i dont know from where i download it |
| 20:46.58 | Dillizar | can any body gimme the link |
| 20:47.11 | greycat | Dillizar: man apt-cache apt-get |
| 20:47.24 | Dillizar | greycat i dont have debian |
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| 20:47.39 | j0nr_ | can someone help installing flash to get iplayer working |
| 20:47.43 | greycat | Then a .deb kernel package isn't going to be much use to you. |
| 20:47.44 | enouf | Dillizar: packages.debian.org |
| 20:47.58 | enouf | but i agree with greycat :-O |
| 20:48.07 | Moofius- | How to run a init.d script at startup? I can start it myself with "sudo /etc/init.d/program start", but I want it to be done automatically |
| 20:48.20 | greycat | Moofius-: make a symlink to it from /etc/rc2.d/Ssomething |
| 20:48.28 | greycat | Moofius-: see also /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:48.41 | Moofius- | but what should something be? |
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| 20:48.50 | Moofius- | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-/etc/init.d |
| 20:48.51 | justin | Moofius-: unless you installed something manually any debian package will install the proper links |
| 20:48.52 | Moofius- | I found that |
| 20:48.54 | greycat | A number and your script's name, is the convention. Read the README. |
| 20:48.55 | tonsofpcs | ok, I have a fully configured system that I want to deploy to three different sites with minor modifications, i have three identical [hardware-wise] systems, what's the best way to clone the system? |
| 20:48.58 | enouf | Moofius-: use rc.local .. depending .. oh ... righto .. is it a custom init.d/scriptname? update-rc.d will generate the symlinks |
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| 20:49.25 | enouf | Moofius-: if it is custom. see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 20:49.27 | Moofius- | enouf: I have used update-rc.d on another thing before |
| 20:49.33 | nsadmin | greycat: unless he wants to pull it apart manually... that still isn't going to have all the functionality he would have if he did have debian, but maybe the image works for him |
| 20:49.40 | themill | tonsofpcs: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" is a good start |
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| 20:50.30 | enouf | tonsofpcs: i think systemimager-* pkgs used to do that ... or you ..ok |
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| 20:50.45 | enouf | themill: can judd take wildcards? |
| 20:50.52 | greycat | TIAS |
| 20:50.59 | tonsofpcs | themill: i want a 100% clone, settings and all, the only thing that i will change is hostname and eth0 static ip |
| 20:51.00 | Moofius- | enouf: "sudo update-rc.d nginx defaults" right? |
| 20:51.02 | themill | enouf: for what argument? |
| 20:51.09 | tonsofpcs | same users, same pass, etc. |
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| 20:51.14 | enouf | themill: versions |
| 20:51.18 | DouglasK | How does one deselect all packages which are selected but not installed using dselect, or dpkg? |
| 20:51.29 | tonsofpcs | i'd run dd directly, but i don't have the ability to insert 3 ide drives [2x hdd, 1xcd] on here |
| 20:51.49 | justin | tonsofpcs: run DD over the network? |
| 20:51.51 | enouf | Moofius- basically yes .. however - i think_ it'll make them S20 which might not be apropos |
| 20:51.54 | j0nr_ | do i need flashplugin-nonfree or flashplayer-mozilla for flash anims etc iplayer, etc |
| 20:52.02 | enouf | Moofius-: is nginx in Debian? |
| 20:52.06 | justin | tonsofpcs: or don't clone systems and use something like FAI instead |
| 20:52.09 | themill | j0nr_: one of them, yes |
| 20:52.18 | j0nr_ | themill: either is it? |
| 20:52.24 | themill | yes |
| 20:52.28 | tonsofpcs | FAI? |
| 20:52.31 | enouf | judd: versions systemimager-* |
| 20:52.34 | justin | !+fai |
| 20:52.34 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 20:52.35 | tonsofpcs | can you dd over a network? |
| 20:52.37 | Moofius- | enouf: dunno, I compiled it myself, and found an ok init.d script for it |
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| 20:53.23 | Moofius- | enouf: I ran the command and rebooted the server, here goes nothing :) |
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| 20:54.14 | judd | enouf: systemimager-% |
| 20:54.18 | Moofius- | enouf: well, it works, that's all I want, thanks ^^ |
| 20:54.24 | enouf | tonsofpcs: i'd think of a dd way to do it then ... same FStype and everything then .. you might need/want to install grub (or whicjever bootloader) too after |
| 20:54.29 | j0nr | mmm iplayer still not working |
| 20:54.40 | themill | enouf: fsvo accepts wildcards... |
| 20:54.45 | enouf | tonsofpcs: there's a pkg in debian called gddrescue |
| 20:54.59 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: yes |
| 20:55.10 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: kind of |
| 20:55.38 | enouf | Moofius-: ok - but keep an eye on it when other pkgs get installed - well - you'll find out if and when it's an issue :-P |
| 20:55.48 | enouf | themill: thanks |
| 20:56.37 | Moofius- | enouf: no package dares to mess with russians (nginx) ^^ |
| 20:57.22 | DouglasK | Is there a way to deselect all packages which are selected but not installed using dselect, or dpkg? |
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| 20:58.08 | nsadmin | dselect?? wow :) |
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| 20:58.21 | abrotman | nsadmin: DES .. not DS |
| 20:58.26 | abrotman | oh .. jeez |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | goes back to his dungeon |
| 20:58.54 | nsadmin | second instance :P |
| 20:58.54 | dkr | aptitude has an option to remove all pending actions... |
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| 20:58.55 | nsadmin | :) |
| 20:58.58 | DouglasK | dkr, that's good for me too... how do I do that? |
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| 20:59.13 | nsadmin | I'm not that kwoowess... |
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| 20:59.27 | j0nr | seriously, whats up with getting the bbc iplayer working? |
| 20:59.44 | dkr | DouglasK: it's a choice in the "actions" menu. I think ctl-t or F10 to get to the menu |
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| 21:01.13 | j0nr | flash seems to be working, bu the iplayer just freezes on the spinning loading icon |
| 21:01.24 | petemc | isnt iplayer air, not flash? |
| 21:01.52 | DouglasK | dkr, I don't see any such option there... Just install/remove, update, forget new, clean package cache, clean obsolte, mark upgradable. |
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| 21:01.56 | lxsameer | how can i change the default python version in debian etch from 2.4 to 2.5? |
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| 21:02.49 | stew | DouglasK: you can use grep-status to find them |
| 21:03.03 | themill | lxsameer: I would suggest that you shouldn't do that. Why do you need to do so? |
| 21:03.03 | dkr | DouglasK: hrm, running debian stable? |
| 21:03.16 | stew | DouglasK: they'd have statuses that match "install.*not-installed" or "install.*config" |
| 21:03.42 | lxsameer | themill: 2.4 is old and some software does not work with that |
| 21:04.00 | DouglasK | dkr: older version of ubuntu to be honest, still 'supported' but no one seems to know anything about non gui package management over there. |
| 21:04.06 | dkr | lol |
| 21:04.53 | themill | lxsameer: the software in etch is designed to work with 2.4 and changing the default python to 2.5 is likely to break a lot of things. You can change the python that individual scripts use just by editing the first line of the script. That's much less problematic. Or if you really need new stuff, then upgrade to lenny. |
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| 21:05.22 | maplebed | lxsameer: themill makes a good point -- 'installed and available' != 'default' |
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| 21:05.52 | j0nr | hmm a simple flash player on a website is playing funny too...it doesn't expand properly to fit the video size like it should |
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| 21:06.37 | lxsameer | themill: but i can't do that because of some software like trac do not work fine with 2.4 i need to use 2.5 instead of changing the code |
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| 21:07.57 | themill | lxsameer: the trac website says it works with any python > 2.3 |
| 21:08.40 | lxsameer | themill: if you take a look at some plugins you can see they require 2.5 |
| 21:08.58 | ersoy | compared with the following error when I install the program, c:181: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'exit' , how can i do ? |
| 21:09.18 | j0nr | surely getting iplayer to work is a commonly covered topic?? |
| 21:09.18 | jdahm | What's the best lvm partioner and fs writer live distro? I want to install debian with lvm and use ext4 |
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| 21:10.18 | themill | lxsameer: if you need shiny and new, then consider upgrading to lenny. |
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| 21:10.54 | themill | lxsameer: Changing the default python on etch is going to make life difficult for you... and it will *not* fix mod_python for apache anyway. |
| 21:11.17 | lxsameer | themill: i can't do that too , because it's a webserver and i don't have permission to do that |
| 21:11.33 | themill | lxsameer: but you have permission to install trac and try to break the default python? |
| 21:12.10 | lxsameer | themill: yeah |
| 21:12.33 | themill | lxsameer: right... btw how are you planning to run trac? using tracd or using mod_python? |
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| 21:12.41 | lxsameer | themill: i see python 2.5 in etch repo , so why python 2.5 is in repo |
| 21:13.09 | lxsameer | themill: mod-python |
| 21:13.37 | themill | lxsameer: having it available doesn't mean that it's able to work as the default. I can't think of another way of explaining to you that a lot of things in etch assume that /usr/bin/python==python2.4. |
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| 21:15.46 | themill | lxsameer: And I'm pretty sure mod-python doesn't use /usr/bin/python anyway... you're asking a different question again. As a workaround, why not use cgi mode and then you can just change the shebang on trac? |
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| 21:17.23 | lxsameer | themill: i don't have problem with mod-python i have problem with python 2.4 |
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| 21:25.04 | shyam_k | if i stop debmirror in between, next time it will start working on the rest right? |
| 21:25.45 | madsara | Hey, what's the easiest way to determine installed file when creating a .deb? I thought there was a tool I used once that made that easier. |
| 21:25.50 | shyam_k | just C-c C-c exit from the process is enough? |
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| 21:28.33 | abrotman | madsara: determine what? |
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| 21:29.04 | madsara | abrotman: What binaries are installed. |
| 21:29.23 | madsara | I'm building a deb and I need to know whats installed when I do a make install on the source. |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | madsara: dpkg -L <pkg> .. will list the package contents |
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| 21:29.47 | madsara | abrotman: Yes, but I'm building the package. |
| 21:29.54 | abrotman | !mg |
| 21:29.54 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 21:29.56 | madsara | Not looking at a previously existing one. |
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| 21:30.39 | madsara | There's a tool that determines which files are installed during a make-install, that's what I need to know. |
| 21:30.50 | madsara | What's the name of that tool |
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| 21:31.03 | themill | madsara: checkinstall? |
| 21:31.34 | madsara | Hmmmm... |
| 21:32.02 | madsara | Yes, that's it. Thanks. |
| 21:32.25 | madsara | Thanks. |
| 21:33.37 | jdahm | does the debian installer not allow editing of LVM partitions when you create them? I can't seem to create a custom layout. I add the lvm physical voluemn, but then there's no option to add logical volumes to it |
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| 21:34.15 | DouglasK | dkr, Ok, I've got a list of the packages to fix in a file, one per line. 17230 packages selected for install right now. Is there a way to pipe them to apt-get or dpkg to set them back to 'purge'? |
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| 21:37.17 | XAVeRY | hello. I've got a problem with installing Debian. I have booted the installer by using the "hd-media" method and I want to use the network installation, but the installer tells me that the computer doesn't have any Ethernet hardware, while the card I'm using is Intel PRO/100 supported by the e100 driver. if I roll over to one of the other consoles, "modprobe e100" says that the module e100... |
| 21:37.19 | XAVeRY | ...doesn't exist. |
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| 21:37.28 | XAVeRY | have I missed something or what? |
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| 21:39.50 | vim|back_in5min | hi all. I told manpool to "aptitude install nmap -yq". It now is removing rhythmbox. Is it safe to Ctrl-C? |
| 21:41.23 | lambda__ | hi, i come here because i am unable to install the non-free nvidia driver with debian squeze/unstable and a very recent kernel (2.6.29-2-686) |
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| 21:42.50 | ajavid | my desktop is for some reason unable to resolv anything |
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| 21:43.19 | ajavid | i have the resolvconf package installed and its /etc/resolv.conf.d/base contains my nameservers from my isp |
| 21:43.28 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/34903 <-- this is my interfaces file |
| 21:43.53 | ajavid | I can ping router, and other machines in the network, but I can't resolv google.com by name |
| 21:44.09 | themill | ajavid: I presume the pastebin has eaten the correct indentation on /e/n/interfaces for you |
| 21:44.24 | ajavid | hm |
| 21:44.41 | ajavid | themill, what do you mean |
| 21:44.58 | ajavid | themill, it shows up fine here when I click on my paste link |
| 21:45.07 | themill | ajavid: man 5 interfaces. everything after "iface" should be indented, it's not in your link |
| 21:45.15 | ajavid | hm |
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| 21:46.37 | ajavid | ok I fixed that indentation issue |
| 21:47.11 | ajavid | themill, http://paste.debian.net/34905 |
| 21:47.20 | ajavid | I /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:47.25 | ajavid | and I can't resolv still |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | ajavid: can you `telnet 74.125.159.104 80` and "GET /" ? |
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| 21:48.34 | abrotman | or `wget 74.125.159.104` ? |
| 21:48.41 | ajavid | yes, and I was able to ping google by ip |
| 21:48.44 | ajavid | just no resolving |
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| 21:49.13 | abrotman | can you `nslookup www.google.com 192.168.1.1` .. assuming your router forwards dns lookups ? |
| 21:49.14 | DouglasK | Ok, on the command line, how does one clear a pending action from a single package? |
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| 21:49.38 | DouglasK | eg, I have zope-common selected for install, but not installed yet. i want to deselct it... |
| 21:50.04 | ajavid | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/34907 |
| 21:50.08 | ajavid | abrotman, yes |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | so what's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 21:50.32 | ajavid | nothing |
| 21:50.39 | ajavid | its blank, as debian likes to have it |
| 21:50.46 | DouglasK | abrotman, your DNS server list, mainly |
| 21:50.47 | ajavid | just comments about not to edit it |
| 21:50.49 | themill | err... no it doesn't |
| 21:50.56 | abrotman | DouglasK: i'm not the one asking for support |
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| 21:51.02 | abrotman | ajavid: uhm .. it should have stuff in it |
| 21:51.02 | ajavid | guys.. focus |
| 21:51.12 | enouf | ajavid: ? |
| 21:51.14 | stew | DouglasK: echo "zope-common deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:51.17 | ajavid | abrotman, well it says resolvconf package takes care of everything |
| 21:51.26 | abrotman | you trust it?! |
| 21:51.28 | ajavid | abrotman, it says i should not edit this file and leave it alone |
| 21:51.29 | DouglasK | stew: thanks. |
| 21:51.36 | enouf | ajavid: i'd use /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:51.36 | themill | ajavid: it takes care of everything by putting the relevant entries in /etc/resolv.conf for you |
| 21:51.51 | ajavid | abrotman, also in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base I think it says my dns servers from my isp |
| 21:51.54 | enouf | ajavid: note the files in /etc/network/* |
| 21:51.54 | ajavid | 68.xxx |
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| 21:52.27 | ajavid | I'm on sid, you suppose its a bug or something I should report |
| 21:52.38 | themill | ajavid: what does /etc/resolv.conf look like after running "resolvconf -u"? |
| 21:52.45 | ajavid | uno momento |
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| 21:53.06 | abrotman | fancy tools mean fancy breaking :) |
| 21:53.08 | ajavid | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 21:53.08 | ajavid | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 21:53.18 | ajavid | eof |
| 21:53.29 | enouf | wonders if ajavid has files like this; /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon |
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| 21:53.48 | ajavid | enouf, ope |
| 21:53.49 | ajavid | nope |
| 21:54.51 | enouf | resolvconf |
| 21:54.54 | enouf | !resolvconf |
| 21:54.54 | dpkg | hmm... resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your dns settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your dns settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
| 21:54.56 | ajavid | http://paste.debian.net/34908 <-- the only place in my system where I have entries |
| 21:55.17 | enouf | !fixresolvconf |
| 21:55.17 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
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| 21:55.39 | abrotman | well .. tha'ts to keep it from mucking with yours IIRC |
| 21:56.06 | enouf | i'm thinking he mucked with it already :-P |
| 21:56.12 | enouf | knowing him |
| 21:56.13 | ajavid | mucked with what? |
| 21:56.25 | enouf | ajavid: anything :-) |
| 21:56.30 | abrotman | to keep resolvconf from messing up your resolv.conf |
| 21:57.00 | ajavid | so whats going on then |
| 21:57.14 | ajavid | is resolvconf supposed to put stuff in resolv.conf or not? |
| 21:57.28 | enouf | *shrugs* |
| 21:57.30 | ajavid | I gather its not supposed to? but its supposed to manage your nameservers somehow |
| 21:57.34 | ajavid | ? |
| 21:57.38 | ajavid | with a blank resolv.con? |
| 21:58.34 | ajavid | I mean my problem is fixed but I'm wondering if this is a bug or something |
| 21:58.34 | themill | ajavid: it takes care of everything by putting the relevant entries in /etc/resolv.conf for you |
| 21:58.43 | ajavid | I never messed with my resolv.conf file EVER |
| 21:58.45 | enouf | ajavid: typos? <ajavid> i have the resolvconf package installed and its /etc/resolv.conf.d/base contains my nameservers from my isp versus [dpkgbot] Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base |
| 21:59.07 | ajavid | yeh |
| 21:59.25 | enouf | ls /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base shows it exists? |
| 21:59.28 | ajavid | I figured it out with some hints from ya'll but why did resolvconf leave my file blank |
| 21:59.34 | ajavid | enouf, yes, |
| 21:59.38 | abrotman | it's crap? |
| 21:59.45 | Crazy_Hopper | hi, i remember asking this here before, but i lost the buffer :-( could anyone remind me about the problems with gspca cameras in 2.6.29? |
| 21:59.50 | abrotman | i believe this is well known :) |
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| 22:01.01 | sepult | hark |
| 22:01.05 | sepult | peeps unite |
| 22:01.07 | sepult | have sex |
| 22:01.09 | sepult | or what ever |
| 22:01.20 | sepult | day change |
| 22:01.21 | plugwash | wonders about the possibility of filing serious bugs against every package that messes with resolv.conf |
| 22:01.22 | sepult | lol |
| 22:01.57 | plugwash | Afaict by writing over /etc/resolv.conf they are all in violation of debian policies on handling configuration files |
| 22:02.04 | abrotman | sepult: knock it off |
| 22:02.11 | themill | plugwash: just the ones that don't do it through the resolvconf package... |
| 22:02.11 | martianlobster | is /tmp a physical directory on the hard drive, or is it a ramdisk like /dev/shm, which swaps to the swap drive when it needs memory? |
| 22:02.27 | enouf | Crazy_Hopper: if no answer in here - maybe try #v4l ? or .. is it debian specific? |
| 22:02.31 | dkr | martianlobster: the former |
| 22:02.45 | Crazy_Hopper | enouf: no, not specific, thanks for the hint |
| 22:03.01 | martianlobster | dkr: thanks |
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| 22:03.06 | enouf | Crazy_Hopper: maybe some info here http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29 too |
| 22:03.32 | plugwash | themill, I don't see how resolvconf (which is only optional) can claim ownership of a key system file like that and write over the users settings when installed and not be in violation of policy |
| 22:03.51 | sepult | abrotman: that's my first time i took dpkg by the hands why don't you let me |
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| 22:03.58 | enouf | Crazy_Hopper: there's also ##linux |
| 22:04.02 | abrotman | sepult: it's not funny |
| 22:04.11 | sepult | lol |
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| 22:05.05 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: uh... it doesn't overwrite the user's settings when installed, actually |
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| 22:05.35 | enouf | martianlobster: just to clarify, anything that swaps out to a swap file/partition is by definition not a ramdisk .. many things do though, and use tmpfs |
| 22:05.46 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: but since it installs a mechanism for dealing with a configuration file (as evidenced by its symlink), normal rules don't apply. You can easily override it if you wish. |
| 22:05.51 | enouf | martianlobster: run as root df -hT |
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| 22:06.40 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i bet debconf settings might/should come into play as well? |
| 22:06.52 | enouf | (resolvconf) |
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| 22:07.18 | ersoy | hif1, how can i do start my sbnc? |
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| 22:07.43 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it'll ask at medium priority unless you have a dns-nameserver line in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:07.59 | enouf | i mean, for ex; file:///etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 22:08.06 | enouf | i see dondelelcaro - ok |
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| 22:08.33 | themill | plugwash: you're free to go back to the dark ages with your network configuration if you like -- most mobile/laptop users are quite happy to have a network configuration that "just works" in > 99% of cases. |
| 22:09.22 | anewbie | hello there guys i have problem with one of mine ext3 parition i use sata sda disk and planing to perform #dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M |
| 22:09.24 | anewbie | to fix this |
| 22:09.40 | enouf | themill: not fair ..his question was legitimate and dealt with debian policy issues ... btw, what can one do about this Xorg autoconfig crap :-P |
| 22:09.58 | anewbie | is there any other sugestion's that you can give me i hear that i can make llf only one time with that disc |
| 22:10.07 | enouf | (just kidding - i know how to deal with it anyway - if needed) |
| 22:10.20 | enouf | but we have no choice ... anymore |
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| 22:10.42 | plugwash | i've seen at least report of a machine with previously working manual resolv.conf configuration having it broken by the (accidental) installation of resolvconf |
| 22:10.56 | enouf | anewbie: a) make sure sda is correct /dev/name |
| 22:10.58 | gravity | sighs |
| 22:11.10 | enouf | anewbie: b) use bs=4M instead of 1M |
| 22:11.10 | gravity | enouf: If you want to change something, get involved. X isn't magic. |
| 22:11.29 | anewbie | enouf, yes i am sure i dont have any other disks here |
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| 22:11.32 | themill | gravity: congratulations, you've been trolled! |
| 22:11.38 | enouf | anewbie: c) you realize all data will be lost and you're writing 0s to entire disk |
| 22:11.51 | anewbie | yes i backup everything |
| 22:11.53 | enouf | gravity: i was teasing .. ;-) |
| 22:12.11 | anewbie | enouf, can you tell me tool for bad sectors scanning |
| 22:12.17 | anewbie | i try to use hirenbootcd apps |
| 22:12.20 | gravity | really would rather see all the people upset, confused, or just simply curious about all the stuff going on with X to get involved |
| 22:12.23 | anewbie | but they dont detect my disk |
| 22:12.24 | enouf | anewbie: oh .. want to see partial progress? |
| 22:12.31 | enouf | anewbie: badblocks |
| 22:12.49 | enouf | anewbie: also, your HDD manufacturer has tools |
| 22:12.51 | SQlvpapir | I need the 8139too module but I cant find it in make menuconfig.. any hints? |
| 22:13.04 | anewbie | enouf, yes it has but they are only windows compatible |
| 22:13.04 | anewbie | :@ |
| 22:13.40 | amphi | anewbie: if it's a modern disk, finding 'bad sectors' is a sign the drive is dead; you could run the smartctl long test if you suspect the drive |
| 22:13.47 | ajavid | the package resolvconf doesn't have any bugs reported where it is leaving the resolv.conf empty |
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| 22:14.02 | enouf | anewbie: open another shell than the one dd is running in ; use ps to find out the PID of the dd process ; then in that shell issue; kill -SIGUSR1 <PID> ; then look in the original dd shell and it;ll spit out progress info |
| 22:14.17 | enouf | anewbie: no DOS boot floppies? |
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| 22:15.11 | enouf | ajavid: obviously there's some confusion about what and where it's supposed to write to - BTW, how's /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf look ? nice and clean? is avahi-* running? |
| 22:15.45 | ajavid | everything is fine |
| 22:15.50 | enouf | ajavid: i would remove the resolvconf pkg and setup /etc/resolv.conf myself .. that's my suggest, you could always reiunstall and break it again ;-) |
| 22:15.52 | ajavid | my machine is resolving now |
| 22:16.00 | anewbie | enouf, no i dont have dos boot flopies |
| 22:16.09 | anewbie | i think to perform scan with badblocks first |
| 22:16.11 | ajavid | I just want to see if this is a bug in the package or not, becasue it should be reported |
| 22:16.14 | ajavid | if it is a bug that is |
| 22:16.21 | anewbie | and thet i will think again about the dd |
| 22:16.30 | anewbie | i read that this is too radical |
| 22:16.33 | ajavid | so I'll remove the package, purge config, blank out my resolv.conf install the package and see what happens |
| 22:16.34 | enouf | anewbie: no, i meant the Manu. has something for a floppy disk you could use .. many do |
| 22:16.36 | dondelelcaro | anewbie: if it's a new drive, there's pretty much no point |
| 22:16.44 | dondelelcaro | (if it's a floppy, then carry on) |
| 22:16.57 | anewbie | no |
| 22:17.06 | anewbie | its mine disk : |
| 22:17.06 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: if there's no resolv.conf or an empty one, you'll end up with an empty one. |
| 22:17.29 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: if there is one, it'll shove the contents into tail. |
| 22:18.12 | enouf | anewbie: i've issued that dd command many times .. the badblocks one not often at all |
| 22:19.08 | anewbie | enouf, sorry my english is not so good |
| 22:19.25 | anewbie | can you explain the last 2 lines :( |
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| 22:19.49 | enouf | dondelelcaro: so, what is /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base for? Manual usage? replaces /etc/resolv.conf? helps out resolvconf pkg? |
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| 22:20.32 | enouf | anewbie: no, i meant the Manufacturer has tools that could be placed and booted from a floppy disk you could use .. many do |
| 22:20.44 | enouf | anewbie: if not, no worries |
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| 22:20.57 | anewbie | enouf, no floppy arround :( |
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| 22:21.05 | enouf | anewbie: i've Zeroed out many disks at various times - especially older ones |
| 22:21.07 | dondelelcaro | enouf: stuff that isn't directly tied to an interface. Normally it should be empty, or possibly contain a search line |
| 22:21.22 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, this is very confusing |
| 22:21.49 | anewbie | :) enouf you gave me the bright light in the end of the tunnel |
| 22:21.50 | anewbie | #dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M |
| 22:21.52 | ajavid | I blanked resolv.conf, installed resolvconf package, and my resolv.conf is not updated |
| 22:22.00 | anewbie | can you just explain me the bs sequence in that line |
| 22:22.13 | enouf | anewbie: it stands for block size |
| 22:22.20 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: it won't be until you bring up an interface that has information for resolv.conf |
| 22:22.38 | enouf | anewbie: fortunately both yours and mine are multiples of 512 ;-) |
| 22:23.04 | ajavid | I see |
| 22:23.13 | enouf | anewbie: i suggested bs=4M for speed .. but it might not be that different than 1M .. or even 32K |
| 22:23.49 | enouf | anewbie: it is much faster than the default which is bs=512 (bytes) |
| 22:24.18 | enouf | i think i tried 4096 once too or something .. sighs |
| 22:24.18 | anewbie | enouf, you talk for the speed of format or the disk performance |
| 22:24.19 | anewbie | ? |
| 22:24.21 | foetus | my /etc/resolv.conf: nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ("nameserver" must be in slowercase!) |
| 22:24.30 | anewbie | foetus, yes |
| 22:24.32 | enouf | anewbie: speed that dd works ... |
| 22:24.44 | anewbie | and how about the performance |
| 22:24.45 | anewbie | ? |
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| 22:24.55 | enouf | anewbie: what about it? |
| 22:25.00 | foetus | anewbie: but, whats the problem then? |
| 22:25.09 | enouf | your disk's performance is .. your disk |
| 22:25.11 | ajavid | the manual isn't that much clear on resolvconf |
| 22:25.17 | ajavid | let me see what th epackage documentaiton says |
| 22:25.27 | enouf | 's performance .. still the same if stuck within same box |
| 22:25.30 | anewbie | ajavid, are you sure that you enter the correct nameserver |
| 22:25.32 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: what's your question about it? |
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| 22:25.42 | anewbie | and are you sure that the GUI network manager dont work about that ? |
| 22:25.50 | ajavid | I don't use gui network manager |
| 22:25.50 | dondelelcaro | resolvconf is remarkably simple |
| 22:25.55 | ajavid | my network is fine |
| 22:26.03 | anewbie | enouf, i understand that the bs sequence dont metter the disk performance after the dd |
| 22:26.05 | adama_ | ajavid: the nameserver is supposed to be written in when you acquire an address from DHCP |
| 22:26.07 | ajavid | its just that resolvconf package is never updating my resolv.conf file |
| 22:26.13 | enouf | anewbie: i mean .. certain partitioning strategies and FSTypes, and other mount options, and even kernel compiles could certainly improve performance |
| 22:26.20 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: when do you think it should be updating it? |
| 22:26.23 | enouf | but .. not to worry about all that anewbie |
| 22:26.25 | ajavid | I see |
| 22:26.33 | ajavid | what about static, have to specify manually |
| 22:26.35 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: in order for it to be updated, an interface must be brought up |
| 22:26.39 | adama_ | ajavid: yes |
| 22:26.53 | ajavid | yeh, so resolvconf doesn't work with static configurations |
| 22:26.54 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: in the case of a static address, you add a dns-nameserver line to /etc/network/interfaces under the interface in question |
| 22:26.58 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: sure it does |
| 22:26.59 | anewbie | enouf thx a lot fot the pation |
| 22:27.03 | ajavid | ohhh |
| 22:27.04 | enouf | anewbie: no, the bs= is a dd only option .. dd works at the block level, not the FS level |
| 22:27.08 | ajavid | dondelelcaro, that explains it |
| 22:27.24 | anewbie | i undestand :) thx once again |
| 22:27.26 | dondelelcaro | ajavid: man resolvconf; for details. It's explained in the PUBLICATION stanza. |
| 22:27.30 | enouf | anewbie: man fdisk .. note the area that talks about altering the disk's block size, you do not want to do _that_! :-) |
| 22:27.34 | ajavid | im there already |
| 22:28.16 | Crazy_Hopper | simonrvn: iirc, it was you who tried to help me with gspca problems in 2.6.29 some time ago. |
| 22:28.17 | foetus | hm, i see, you guys are working on something special.. |
| 22:28.23 | ajavid | ahh yes |
| 22:28.31 | ajavid | reading it again now with what you said it makes more sense |
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| 22:31.03 | ajavid | I was wondering why on static config it wasn't updating the file, but on dhcp it will |
| 22:31.29 | ajavid | its the dns-nameservers, they say it in manual but not in so many words I guess, I didn't fully understand it the first time I read it I guess |
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| 22:34.27 | mogra | how would I go about setting user homefolders to default to "700" permissions? |
| 22:34.57 | mogra | I know I can change it a la "chmod 700 /home/*" but I mean after that, future proofing it |
| 22:35.32 | dkr | mogra: chmod 700 /etc/skel |
| 22:35.43 | mogra | :) |
| 22:35.53 | mogra | thanks |
| 22:36.58 | dkr | mogra: that was wrong. the file sin there are just copied, dir perms aren't. you need to edit /etc/adduser.conf |
| 22:37.15 | dkr | DIR_MODE=0755 |
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| 22:37.54 | anewbie | mogra you have new installation and want to import old home dirs in it ? |
| 22:38.21 | mogra | no |
| 22:38.33 | anewbie | :) ok sorry |
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| 22:39.15 | mogra | I just want to make it so that Group and World don't have r-x on people's homes, so only users can do things in their own homes. |
| 22:39.34 | simNIX | am I correct in understanding aptitude is recomended over apt-get ? |
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| 22:39.51 | anewbie | mogra, i use chkperm for that |
| 22:40.01 | gravity | simNIX: Usually |
| 22:40.31 | positron | ajavid: I used chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf to use always the same and specific name server. |
| 22:40.48 | dkr | simNIX: yes |
| 22:40.50 | simNIX | writing a manula with notes I got and in it apt-get is used - was checking if updating that to aptitude is current best practice |
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| 22:41.07 | simNIX | tnx 4 responce |
| 22:41.24 | mogra | anewbie: must not be a BSD thing, I'll check that out on Deb when I get home. |
| 22:41.39 | mogra | at work, tho, I'm on PseudoBSD >.> |
| 22:41.53 | mogra | aka Darwin |
| 22:42.01 | anewbie | mogra, chkperm it's full compatible with deb systems |
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| 22:42.07 | anewbie | i use it ... many times |
| 22:42.09 | simNIX | is there already a clear page epxlaining why better aptitude instead of apt-get I can refer to ? |
| 22:42.24 | mogra | Great, I'll look at it tonight when I'm on... a deb system |
| 22:42.26 | mogra | what's it for? |
| 22:42.37 | mogra | I can't seem to find a def online in a quick look ;) |
| 22:43.14 | nach | simNIX: try it, you'll like it. |
| 22:43.23 | anewbie | it is a script for fast permision configuration |
| 22:43.29 | anewbie | and works verry nice |
| 22:43.38 | anewbie | but the rbash is solusion too |
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| 22:43.42 | szymon_g | hi |
| 22:43.52 | nach | simNIX: if you haven't yet, try the UI, type 'aptitude' enter. |
| 22:43.54 | anewbie | and it is far more easy to config |
| 22:43.55 | mogra | lol, rbash is a little much ;) |
| 22:44.07 | anewbie | hah |
| 22:44.11 | anewbie | yes but it works :D |
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| 22:44.21 | simNIX | nach; im ok with switch to it - its just im writing a manual and would liek to have a urll in it to refer to why aptitide usage is better |
| 22:44.33 | mogra | indeed! |
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| 22:45.09 | mogra | anewbie: altho, I might have a favorite new method.... http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2009/04/tiny-unix-and-linux-shell-crash-course.html |
| 22:45.30 | szymon_g | hm... are debian's initscript written in 'pure' posix-compatible shell or in bash (they have /bin/sh /which is a symlink to /bin/bash)? |
| 22:46.37 | nach | bought a range rover sport. o/ |
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| 22:48.50 | foetus | szymon_g: no. #!/bin/sh -e |
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| 22:49.50 | simNIX | nach, I do lke it - it's just form earlyer confersation ive understood that a aptitude install ... is better somehow then apt-get install ... - im trying to learn why and such so I can write bit about it - one thing I remembered was said is with aptitude can fix certain conflikts better ... |
| 22:49.57 | szymon_g | foetus: what '-e' means? i looked into bash's manual and i dont see it |
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| 22:50.51 | foetus | szymon_g: just use it..however, its the standard, imho |
| 22:51.15 | \amethyst | szymon_g: it's under 'set' |
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| 22:52.38 | adb | !tell simNIX about why aptitude |
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| 22:54.22 | foetus | szymon_g: stands for ename, sh -c help |
| 22:54.37 | szymon_g | ah, thanx \amethyst and foetus |
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| 23:04.38 | simNIX | adb - ty |
| 23:05.10 | adb | np |
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| 23:17.58 | jetscreamer | my sound 'doesn't work'. i suspect that digital output is enabled by default. i need to know how to turn it off manually. (no mixer (alsamixergui, kmix) has such a setting) |
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| 23:19.01 | jetscreamer | new2me box, intel hda, alsa seems configured, all (seemingly all) required modules loaded |
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| 23:20.23 | jetscreamer | realtek alc330 or so is not detected by lspci, but i get Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:21.42 | jetscreamer | it says realtek in windows though... and i saw a chip that said realtek on the mb... not sure the chip id |
| 23:22.04 | jetscreamer | and don't everybody answer at once, for a line and take a number... |
| 23:22.11 | jetscreamer | s/for/sorm/ |
| 23:22.14 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 23:22.15 | jetscreamer | form |
| 23:22.33 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 23:27.11 | octoserver | what is @@ -240,7 +242,7 @@, is that somethig you might find in a patch? what does it mean ? |
| 23:28.08 | adama_ | it means the difference that will be patched occurs on line 240, 7 lines. It will be on line 242 after patching |
| 23:28.25 | adama_ | see "man diff" and "man patch" |
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| 23:29.23 | octoserver | cool thanks for the info |
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| 23:31.41 | funyun | anyone know of a video splitter better than avidemux? avidemux makes all my split videos out of sync.. |
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| 23:38.53 | jetscreamer | you mean split into audio and video? mplayer will |
| 23:39.08 | jetscreamer | mencoder rather |
| 23:39.13 | jetscreamer | !mencoder |
| 23:39.14 | dpkg | i heard mencoder is available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories and is not in Debian itself. Ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
| 23:39.20 | jetscreamer | !realtek |
| 23:39.21 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. For Ethernet chipset information, ask me about: <rtl8029>, <rtl8139>, <rtl8101e>. For wireless chipset information, ask me about: <rtl-wifi>, <rtl8187se>. |
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| 23:41.45 | dandc | Can you ifconfig an interface to set the ip, netmask, and bring it up all at once? |
| 23:41.53 | dondelelcaro | dandc: yes |
| 23:42.24 | dondelelcaro | (though it's not like it matters if you bring it up in stages, either) |
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| 23:44.24 | funyun | jetscreamer: does mencoder re-encode it? or just split? |
| 23:44.54 | dandc | so just ifconfig <interface> inet <ip> netmask <mask> up? |
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| 23:45.48 | techouse | why did i get iceweasel 3.0.7 from the squeeze repo wehn it clearly states that it has 3.0.9 in the squeeze repo? |
| 23:46.08 | jetscreamer | funyun: it's the swiss army knife of video editing i guess you'd say .. #mplayer |
| 23:46.38 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
| 23:46.51 | adb | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 23:46.52 | judd | adb: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.9-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1 |
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| 23:47.40 | techouse | adb: i know, but when i downloaded it from the repo via aptitude i got 3.0.7 |
| 23:48.19 | adb | did update ? |
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| 23:48.33 | techouse | Get:16 http://ftp.arnes.si squeeze/main iceweasel 3.0.7-1 [1131kB] |
| 23:48.34 | dondelelcaro | techouse: is your mirror out of date? |
| 23:48.35 | techouse | yes |
| 23:48.37 | techouse | maybe |
| 23:48.59 | dondelelcaro | techouse: see what apt-cache policy iceweasel; says. If it doesn't say 3.0.9-1, and you've run apt-get update; your mirror is out of date. |
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| 23:50.08 | techouse | 3.0.7-1 0 |
| 23:50.09 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.12 | techouse | mirror out of date |
| 23:50.14 | techouse | :/ |
| 23:50.19 | techouse | i got it manually.... |
| 23:50.26 | techouse | no additional deps, so ok :D |
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| 23:51.59 | dondelelcaro | techouse: you're going to want to switch to a mirror that isn't so out of date though; it's at least 3 days out of date. |
| 23:52.32 | techouse | dondelelcaro: meh....this mirror gives me 10MB/s |
| 23:52.33 | techouse | :D |
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| 23:52.50 | techouse | it's the same ISP i got |
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| 23:53.11 | EtherNet | by chance, is there any option for aptitude/apt-get to enable multithreading download? many download threads at the same time-' |
| 23:53.13 | EtherNet | ? |
| 23:53.31 | techouse | i've seen it in ubuntu |
| 23:54.55 | techouse | it downloaded 3 things at the same time |
| 23:54.55 | techouse | netsplit |
| 23:54.55 | techouse | :P |
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| 23:55.11 | EtherNet | if it's from different sources it does it automatically.. but from the same source |
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| 23:55.16 | anewbie | hmm am i wrong or lenny repos dont have syslinux and mtools ? |
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| 23:55.27 | EtherNet | i mtools - Tools for manipulating MSDOS files |
| 23:55.27 | EtherNet | lenny has it |
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| 23:55.28 | anewbie | EtherNet, yes i am wrong |
| 23:55.28 | EtherNet | both of them |
| 23:55.28 | anewbie | but apt-get dont install them |
| 23:55.32 | anewbie | i install them with aptitude |
| 23:55.32 | anewbie | ... |
| 23:55.41 | EtherNet | you should always use aptitude rather than apt-get |
| 23:55.50 | anewbie | i think that aptitude and apt-get use sources.list |
| 23:55.51 | anewbie | ? |
| 23:55.56 | EtherNet | es |
| 23:55.57 | EtherNet | yes |
| 23:56.00 | EtherNet | both of them use the same one |
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| 23:56.20 | anewbie | then why apt-get says that there are no such packege like syslinux |
| 23:56.28 | anewbie | and aptitude install it |
| 23:56.28 | anewbie | ? |
| 23:56.33 | EtherNet | I don't know... |
| 23:56.41 | EtherNet | acpidump - utilities to dump system's ACPI tables to an ASCII file |
| 23:56.41 | EtherNet | cpmtools - Tools to access CP/M file systems |
| 23:56.41 | EtherNet | fmtools - Utility for managing FM tuner cards |
| 23:56.41 | EtherNet | hpoj - HP OfficeJet Linux driver (hpoj) |
| 23:56.41 | EtherNet | mtools - Tools for manipulating MSDOS files |
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| 23:56.45 | EtherNet | pmtools - Perl module tools |
| 23:56.49 | EtherNet | there you got my own output |
| 23:56.55 | EtherNet | apt-cache search mtools |
| 23:56.57 | EtherNet | try that |
| 23:57.38 | anewbie | ... i think it's not needed i just will use aptitude |
| 23:57.38 | techouse | when's weael 3.0.10 coming? |
| 23:58.04 | c0m1 | hi. I'm configuring apt-mirror's mirror.list for the first time. If I do not specify a default arch, will it download packages for all architectures? What I really would like is for i386 and amd64 to be mirrored (as all computers on my network are that) |
| 23:58.06 | themill | isn't sure whether to !paste or !enter ... |
| 23:58.06 | EtherNet | no idea, but I am getting pissed about the delays between firefox and iceweasel |
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| 23:58.48 | techouse | EtherNet: yea |
| 23:59.13 | techouse | besides, when's google gonna move their ass and make us a non-alpha chromium |