| 00:00.12 | adb | !tell foonet about non-free |
| 00:00.28 | jpinx | foonet: yes you can if you add the appropriate source to sources list |
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| 00:01.40 | codeblue1 | Hello? |
| 00:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hello! |
| 00:02.15 | codeblue1 | can someone even tell me how to find the location of a process |
| 00:02.33 | foonet | adb i think i know what non-free means |
| 00:02.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | stat /home/username should show you when an account was created |
| 00:02.41 | foonet | It has only one definition |
| 00:02.42 | codeblue1 | ps -u 100 |
| 00:02.42 | codeblue1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.42 | codeblue1 | 10020 ? 00:00:00 sendmail <defunct> |
| 00:02.52 | codeblue1 | that is the process but its not sendmail |
| 00:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like sendmail |
| 00:03.11 | codeblue1 | yeah its not |
| 00:03.12 | jpinx | it says sendmail |
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| 00:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | smells like sendmail :-P |
| 00:03.23 | jpinx | if it isn't, kill it |
| 00:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /proc/10020 |
| 00:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | he can't kill it |
| 00:03.33 | adb | !tell foonet about non-free sources |
| 00:03.36 | codeblue1 | well you wouldent call it evil port scanning program now woud you |
| 00:03.57 | foonet | !tell adb to stfu |
| 00:03.57 | jpinx | why can't you kill it codeblue1 |
| 00:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, it is already killed |
| 00:04.11 | jpinx | heh |
| 00:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't say he couldn't kill it - I'm saying that |
| 00:04.16 | codeblue1 | i kill it then another process starts called exam4 |
| 00:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, "<defunct>" |
| 00:04.38 | codeblue1 | and when i do deluser 100 it says user does not exist |
| 00:04.49 | codeblue1 | I gots kinda owned |
| 00:04.52 | codeblue1 | :S |
| 00:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps because there is no user 100? :) |
| 00:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (*ghasp*) |
| 00:05.24 | jpinx | who is logged in? |
| 00:05.26 | codeblue1 | ps says its ran by user 100 |
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| 00:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, suspicious |
| 00:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you just tell us why you're asking all this |
| 00:05.45 | jpinx | what does users tell you? |
| 00:05.54 | codeblue1 | omg |
| 00:05.56 | codeblue1 | nothing |
| 00:06.08 | codeblue1 | and who does nothing too |
| 00:06.10 | codeblue1 | fuck |
| 00:06.20 | bzed | grep 100 /etc/passwd |
| 00:06.20 | jpinx | there are *no* users logged in? |
| 00:06.28 | codeblue1 | I am |
| 00:06.30 | jpinx | not even yourself? |
| 00:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | instead of asking us things you think are related |
| 00:06.31 | codeblue1 | 0_0 |
| 00:06.46 | codeblue1 | this is worse than i thought |
| 00:06.54 | codeblue1 | maybe he did get root |
| 00:07.14 | codeblue1 | nope no user in passwd |
| 00:07.25 | jpinx | things are always either worse or better than they appear - appearances are total deceptions |
| 00:07.26 | bzed | did you remove exim4 recently? |
| 00:07.30 | bzed | codeblue1: ^ |
| 00:07.31 | codeblue1 | I think this shit came in via lighttpd |
| 00:07.40 | bzed | i doubt that |
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| 00:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> hehe... rule #1 nobody ever tells what the real problem is, instead they ask a question on part of what they think is the solution (which it often isnt) |
| 00:07.45 | codeblue1 | and an outdated version of openssl |
| 00:07.51 | codelearner | ah :D |
| 00:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you start at the start |
| 00:08.01 | codeblue1 | no i didnt have exim4 installed |
| 00:08.01 | codelearner | that problem is also solved :P |
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| 00:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously he doesn't want to |
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| 00:13.21 | foonet | CutMeOwnThroat, interesting nick |
| 00:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.44 | foonet | Ok, that explanation made little to no sense |
| 00:16.00 | foonet | Im off to get drunk, dont let your linux make you guys go crazy |
| 00:16.23 | codeblue1 | grr now i cant even kill the process |
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| 00:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it didn't? |
| 00:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | codeblue1, I said that! |
| 00:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's waiting |
| 00:17.34 | codeblue1 | what |
| 00:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that you can't kill it |
| 00:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you treat this as a write-only channel |
| 00:18.07 | codelearner | ah it is better then some bleeding edge distro wiping almost half of the other partition which it is supposed not to tough , after first boot ! ( it hanged :D ) |
| 00:18.21 | codelearner | *touch |
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| 00:21.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm a bit bored, I'll answer a question someone asked an hour ago |
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| 00:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | lilkid, you can just set the prompt on the server in the users (or global) bashrc - man bash, search for PS1 (/PS1) |
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| 00:25.07 | codelearner | hey is there a single live DVD of Debian? |
| 00:25.55 | CaT[t2] | there is a lenny live dvd. |
| 00:26.16 | codelearner | link please? |
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| 00:27.28 | jpinx | http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/662&ei=20DdSY38MtOclQeX7-H0DQ&usg=AFQjCNG9jzbLlKSFiroCYDpdxZtHfnlzig |
| 00:27.51 | jpinx | codelearner: we are not your slaves - do your own googling |
| 00:27.58 | CaT[t2] | code: http://tinyurl.com/ceoq8l |
| 00:28.12 | codelearner | ah, sorry it was not on the main site so i asked |
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| 00:28.47 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
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| 00:29.33 | jpinx | codelearner: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny&ei=20DdSY38MtOclQeX7-H0DQ&usg=AFQjCNFUrVgtwStf-50n7pa0ws_wjwZs3g |
| 00:29.58 | codelearner | ah, thanks :) |
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| 00:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !whip jpinx |
| 00:32.43 | dpkg | whips jpinx with a wet and grimy noodle just because. |
| 00:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | cower, slave! |
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| 00:35.33 | jpinx | !abuse CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:35.33 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
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| 00:39.42 | mxktmdude | stew, thanks, i managed to install the new kernel after fixing my partial upgrade, and so far my upgrade to lenny is going well |
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| 00:40.17 | eldowan | is debian testing still using kde3.x or has it migrated to kde4? |
| 00:40.37 | Bry-Dog | still on 3.x |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | eldowan: 3.x .. unstable has 4.x |
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| 00:41.19 | eldowan | abrotman: wonderful. |
| 00:41.29 | abrotman | if you say so ... |
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| 00:42.34 | eldowan | abrotman: knowing which version a distro is running is not wonderful? |
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| 00:44.41 | abrotman | eldowan: you could go to packages.debian.org to find out |
| 00:45.11 | eldowan | abrotman: very true. I didn't think of that until after you responded. Funny, I usually check there first. |
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| 00:48.41 | jpinx | or you could ask judd here |
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| 00:50.07 | Baneo | No package 'libcurl' found |
| 00:50.11 | Baneo | which package would i want to install to avoid - No package 'libcurl' found |
| 00:50.37 | Baneo | i've tried libcurl, obviously |
| 00:51.11 | eldowan | Baneo: curl ? |
| 00:51.21 | Bry-Dog | Baneo: there is a libcurl3 in the package tree is that what your looking for? |
| 00:51.36 | Baneo | i've done libcurl3 |
| 00:51.38 | Baneo | i'll try 'curl' |
| 00:52.21 | Baneo | checking for LIBCURL... configure: error: Package requirements (libcurl >= 7.16.3) were not met: |
| 00:52.21 | Baneo | No package 'libcurl' found |
| 00:52.26 | Baneo | :/ |
| 00:52.46 | jpinx | Baneo: is it non-free? |
| 00:52.51 | eldowan | Baneo: also, there is bimp-libcurl libcurl-ocaml . what is the purpose for your need? |
| 00:53.03 | Baneo | it's for transmisson (torrent client) |
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| 00:53.58 | Bry-Dog | Baneo: are you compiling from source? if so you might need to alter where/how it looks for the library to find it. It sounds like you have what you need it is just not looking in the right place |
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| 00:54.20 | abrotman | Baneo: libcurl-dev ? |
| 00:54.27 | jpinx | aptitude show curl gave me loads of info |
| 00:55.06 | Baneo | hmm |
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| 00:55.38 | Baneo | No package 'libcurl' found |
| 00:55.38 | Baneo | Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you |
| 00:55.38 | Baneo | installed software in a non-standard prefix. |
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| 00:55.43 | Baneo | i guess it's this i need to sort |
| 00:56.06 | bozo | hi. anyone can help me ? i've install nufw, nuauth on the same machine and nutcpc on other. i've set iptables testing rules on the client, nutcpc send the request to nuauth ok. but i do not get the answer on the debug of nuauth only the request appears and nufw with -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv only show is started |
| 00:56.32 | jpinx | libcurl3 might be what you're looking for Baneo |
| 00:56.44 | Baneo | jpinx i've apt-get install libcurl3 |
| 00:56.48 | Baneo | and it says it's all fine there |
| 00:57.13 | jpinx | Baneo: I'd recommend you do aptitude show curl |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | Baneo: libcurl-dev ? |
| 00:57.21 | jpinx | and then chase down the dependencies |
| 00:57.31 | Baneo | abrotman done that too :P |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:58.17 | jpinx | aptitude search has the answers maybe |
| 00:58.34 | jpinx | I see about 15 listed |
| 00:59.02 | Baneo | yeah |
| 00:59.08 | Baneo | i'm trying them all - thanks guys |
| 00:59.13 | jpinx | aptitude search libcurl |
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| 01:00.30 | batcoder-7 | how can i find a directory? |
| 01:00.40 | Baneo | all sorted now, thanks alot guys - saved me a few hours of google anger :P |
| 01:00.48 | eldowan | Baneo: and what was the answer? |
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| 01:00.57 | abrotman | batcoder-7: find or locate |
| 01:01.13 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, what is better? |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | depends what you need to do |
| 01:01.31 | batcoder-7 | find a directory |
| 01:01.35 | Baneo | i done apt-get install libcurl-dev and then there was an option for 2 as it was a virtual package |
| 01:01.52 | Baneo | so i chose libcurl4-openssl-dev - and it's all good now |
| 01:02.00 | Baneo | works a charm |
| 01:02.02 | eldowan | Baneo: glad it worked out for you. |
| 01:02.06 | Baneo | thanks again :) |
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| 01:04.58 | jpinx | Baneo: good job ;) |
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| 01:09.42 | bol_ | Hi. I have a delicate problem; I want to lock firefox to workspace 2 in gnome, but i don't really know what term i should search for.. :( |
| 01:09.48 | CaT[t2] | anyone here having fun with ext4? |
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| 01:10.53 | parodyoflanguage | an |
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| 01:11.48 | parodyoflanguage | Hello. Does anyone know which package lets me use the mouse at the terminal (non-X)? |
| 01:12.14 | themill | dpkg: tell parodyoflanguage about gpm |
| 01:12.24 | parodyoflanguage | Thank you. |
| 01:13.20 | lymeca | Okay so I have a new server with 10 1TB hard drives on an Adaptec PCI-Express controller in RAID-6. I am unsure as to what filesystem to use. It will be for backups of entire root directories of other servers using rdiff-backup incrementally. |
| 01:13.32 | bol_ | the thing about fixating firefox to desktop 2 is, when i open links from irssi/im etc on desktop one, i want firefox to stay on desktop #2.. |
| 01:13.56 | Humanoid | I made a partition that is 4.7 gigs, and I want to write this to a dvd. wodim and dvdrecord don't seem to work. dd works, but is incredibly slow at something like 200k/sec. |
| 01:14.04 | eldowan | lymeca: ext is a tried and true filesystem. I would look there first. |
| 01:14.23 | Humanoid | What is the correct way to copy a 4.7 gig partition directly onto a dvd? |
| 01:15.01 | eldowan | Humanoid: you want the partition as it exists on the hdd, or you are wanting all the files on the 4.7 gig partition on the dvd? |
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| 01:15.38 | Humanoid | I want the partition copied as is, so I can later mount the dvd exactly the same way as the partition. |
| 01:15.45 | parodyoflanguage | dd? |
| 01:16.09 | Humanoid | parodyoflanguage: dd works, but it's so slow at 200k/sec. Maybe I need to set the dvd drive speed first or something? |
| 01:16.27 | jpinx | Humanoid: try different options bs iirc |
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| 01:16.46 | bol_ | nm, it was a bug not a feature.. :( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319292 |
| 01:16.56 | Humanoid | jpinx: Tried bs, doesn't help. I tried writing my own C code that uses write(), writing 16 megs at once, it's still slow. |
| 01:17.11 | eldowan | Humanoid: have you tried dd of=/tmp/partition.iso ? then burn the iso? |
| 01:17.28 | DynamicPink | I receive some warning messages during boot up about files needing to be name with a .conf or they will be ignored in the future. I checked in the system logs, but can't find any references. Any suggestions? |
| 01:17.38 | jpinx | what he said ^^ eldowan |
| 01:17.49 | Humanoid | eldowan: You think wodim and dvdrecord have a problem because the source is a block device instead of a file? |
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| 01:18.18 | Humanoid | The errors from wodim and dvdrecord didn't seem to have anything to do with the source being a block device. |
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| 01:18.44 | eldowan | Humanoid: no idea, but if dd can write to a file, and your recorders can burn a file, it might work. However, the target system may or may not like a non-iso/udf FS on an optical medium. |
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| 01:19.06 | jpinx | I have no idea what wodim etc are, but dd just copies bit by bit |
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| 01:19.38 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 01:19.38 | dpkg | hmm... wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 01:20.00 | Humanoid | jpinx: wodim is the default debian app for writing cd's and dvd's. |
| 01:20.24 | jpinx | Humanoid: no matter - dd pays no attenton to what is being copied |
| 01:20.33 | Humanoid | Yeah, I know dd just copies bit by bit, but for some reason it's so slow. |
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| 01:21.03 | jpinx | Humanoid: IO problems? |
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| 01:21.21 | Humanoid | reading dvd's has no speed problems. |
| 01:21.45 | Humanoid | jpinx: Have you ever tried writing a dvd using dd? Does it run at an acceptable speed for you? |
| 01:22.30 | jpinx | Humanoid: writing a DVD is different to reading - it'll depend on your hardware as well |
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| 01:23.24 | jpinx | Humanoid: is it slower than your "usual" way of writing to a DVD? |
| 01:23.45 | Humanoid | jpinx: I never tried writing any other way. |
| 01:24.00 | Bry-Dog | Humanoid: i may be way off here but could it be an issue with dma being disabled somehow |
| 01:24.41 | Humanoid | Okay, I am doing another test with dd, then I will try another way of writing files to see if there's anything wrong with the hardware. |
| 01:24.49 | jpinx | sorry Humanoid i'm out of ideas then |
| 01:25.11 | eldowan | Humanoid: try writing a full dvd's worth of regular data to a dvd, or downloading and burning an iso. Then you will have a baseline for what your system *should* behave like for burning to your dvd writer |
| 01:25.35 | Humanoid | Hmm.. I just tried another test with dd using a bigger file, and it seems to be faster. |
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| 01:26.07 | elik | Looking at pstree output, killing init sounds like a funny idea :D |
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| 01:26.52 | eldowan | elik: could be fun, though (not that I would do it) |
| 01:27.25 | elik | wouldn't either, but I'll put it on the 10 things to do before I die |
| 01:27.30 | batcoder-7 | how can i see where the files are on my computer from a debian package? |
| 01:27.36 | Humanoid | elik: I think the kernel will just halt the system. |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | batcoder-7: dpkg -L |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | or apt-file |
| 01:27.40 | batcoder-7 | kk |
| 01:27.45 | batcoder-7 | what is better? |
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| 01:28.14 | elik | Humanoid, as if shutdown -h now? |
| 01:28.24 | elik | batcoder-7, my Debian theme is better than yours |
| 01:28.47 | sjokkis | can tar be told only to overwrite files when the file in the archive is different from the file that already exists? the --keep-old-files option never overwrites as far as i can tell, and without it you always overwrite |
| 01:29.06 | Humanoid | elik: The "shutdown" command runs a bunch of other things before halting the system. |
| 01:29.06 | sjokkis | the files in my archive are largely identical to the ones already there |
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| 01:29.16 | elik | Humanoid, right... |
| 01:29.23 | batcoder-7 | elik, what window manager? |
| 01:29.28 | jpinx | sjokkis: try rsync with tar option |
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| 01:29.58 | elik | batcoder-7, it doesn't matter, my theme OWNS yours ;) |
| 01:30.02 | sjokkis | jpinx: i'll look into it. thanks |
| 01:30.34 | batcoder-7 | elik, >_> not even the kind of theme engine? |
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| 01:34.07 | sjokkis | jpinx: i can't find a tar option. do you know the syntax? |
| 01:37.34 | jpinx | sjokkis: maybe pipe it through tar |
| 01:37.37 | elik | batcoder-7, no matter the theme engine, my theme is so awesomer than yours... it's not even worth debating about it |
| 01:38.24 | batcoder-7 | elik, heh atleatst i let you know what vim theme i used :P |
| 01:38.31 | batcoder-7 | and i still won! |
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| 01:38.39 | elik | batcoder-7, lol |
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| 01:42.03 | lymeca | With dmcrypt, do I create the filesystem first or run dmsetup first? |
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| 01:43.15 | jpinx | sjokkis: you're right - I can;t see that in man rsync, but I have seen a solution to your issue somewhere. giyf |
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| 01:44.01 | sjokkis | yea |
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| 01:47.00 | Humanoid | wodim is working now, I had to set the size of my partition with the tsize=xxx command line option. Getting about 5 megs per second at the moment. |
| 01:47.35 | eldowan | Humanoid: going directly from block-device to dvd writer? |
| 01:47.45 | Humanoid | Yeah |
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| 01:48.12 | eldowan | Great. Just another thing that makes me take a look at linux and debian and say, Wow, this stuff is awesome! |
| 01:48.15 | Humanoid | It seems wodim requires an extra command line option when using a block device as a source, instead of just using the whole device automatically. |
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| 01:49.53 | n-iCe | Ok, I Have tried, not much on google, maybe any can help me, how could I make my Motorola H700 Bluetooth headset work with my laptop. |
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| 01:52.12 | Humanoid | The wodim documentation really needs a lot of improvement. |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | send out your patches! |
| 01:53.30 | Humanoid | sending... |
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| 01:58.31 | homecable | with a 386 userland 386 kernel do i apt-get a amd64 bit kernel to get a 64bit kernel ? |
| 01:58.37 | at0m|c | abrotman, jpinx: you guys happen to know applications for flight crew who use linux here? i know a couple, wouldn't mind hinting them on that.. |
| 01:58.40 | homecable | and keep the i386 userland |
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| 01:59.04 | abrotman | at0m|c: eh ? |
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| 01:59.13 | at0m|c | n-iCe: hciconfig can show the capabilities for your BT device on laptop |
| 01:59.20 | Matson | how do I remove the config files for pachages listed as rc ? |
| 01:59.37 | at0m|c | abrotman: like for keeping track of hours etc |
| 01:59.44 | homecable | apt-get purge whatever |
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| 02:00.39 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 02:00.50 | meoblast001 | is it possible to make an amd64 deb on x86? |
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| 02:01.02 | at0m|c | abrotman, i've heared of some dedicated applications for flight logging, but can't find them again |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | at0m|c: "hinting" ? |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | at0m|c: freshmeat.net ? |
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| 02:01.38 | at0m|c | abrotman, like pointing them to it.. oki will check.. |
| 02:01.51 | KineticBug | abrotman, that's a really dodgey domain name lol |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | KineticBug: it's an old F/OSS site .. if you don't know it, back to school you go |
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| 02:03.08 | at0m|c | :> |
| 02:03.40 | KineticBug | -_- |
| 02:04.23 | at0m|c | frankS2: why PM? |
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| 02:05.40 | Matson | dpkg -P was what I was loking for |
| 02:05.41 | dpkg | Matson: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:05.51 | at0m|c | abrotman: cheers, there's flight loggers/planners/.. :) |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | dpkg: it's a -P |
| 02:06.07 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:06.21 | Matson | now |
| 02:06.22 | Matson | purgeoldpackages is aliased to `dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d" " -f3|sort|uniq|xargs echo sudo dpkg -P' |
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| 02:07.05 | meoblast001 | is it possible to make an amd64 deb on x86? |
| 02:07.23 | Matson | meoblast001: cross compile <?> |
| 02:07.31 | meoblast001 | Matson: yeah |
| 02:07.49 | Matson | meoblast001: dunno, sorry |
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| 02:07.59 | Matson | all I know is cross compiling is hard |
| 02:08.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | for example qemu-x86_64 |
| 02:08.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | meoblast001, ^^ sorry, for example use qemu-x86_64 |
| 02:08.40 | meoblast001 | Matson: with MINGW it is |
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| 02:10.21 | Matson | Win->MinGW->Deb->Xcompile AMD64? dear god, why? |
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| 02:16.48 | homecable | with a 386 userland 386 kernel do i apt-get a amd64 bit kernel to get a 64bit kernel ? |
| 02:16.51 | homecable | and keep the i386 userland |
| 02:17.00 | homecable | right ? |
| 02:17.15 | Gun_Smoke | I'm drawing a blank on the package name that won't allow users to pick stupid passwords.. ideas? |
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| 02:20.00 | dansushi | anyone here want to try out my debian-based firefox persona?: http://www.getpersonas.com/persona/3912 |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | dansushi: are you still spamming that? |
| 02:20.39 | dansushi | i have a link now |
| 02:20.47 | dansushi | and i only did it 2 times yesterday |
| 02:21.02 | dansushi | i would hardly call that spamming |
| 02:21.17 | eldowan | isn't spamming unsolicited message delivery? |
| 02:21.32 | Gun_Smoke | spam = unwanted or solicited noise... spam. |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | looks like spam to me |
| 02:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | disgusting meat in a can? |
| 02:21.54 | dansushi | well, i thought it might be wanted, since it is based on debian |
| 02:22.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:22.10 | dansushi | if it were completely unrelated, i wouldn't post it |
| 02:22.10 | parsonsd | CutMeOwnThroat : better fried that boiled. |
| 02:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !based on debian |
| 02:22.13 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 02:22.15 | Gun_Smoke | "anyone want to see how flat my budda belly got"? |
| 02:22.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh damnit |
| 02:22.26 | dansushi | lol, dpkg |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | dansushi: is firefox in debian? |
| 02:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's the carbon monoxide one :( |
| 02:22.36 | dansushi | iceweasel is |
| 02:22.39 | dansushi | same thing |
| 02:22.43 | dansushi | personas work for it |
| 02:22.44 | Gun_Smoke | + almost |
| 02:23.25 | dansushi | close enough |
| 02:23.35 | parsonsd | CutMeOwnThroat : not disgusting in single-serve quantities. can't eat a whole can. will share. :) |
| 02:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm vegetarian |
| 02:23.59 | Gun_Smoke | seek help |
| 02:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but my persona is not... saussage inna bun? |
| 02:24.12 | parsonsd | well, i won't share with you, then! ;) |
| 02:24.37 | Gun_Smoke | geezeeee. |
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| 02:28.55 | TheSarge | Can someone please tell me how to get a smaller font when in a terminal? |
| 02:29.07 | TheSarge | like a non x vt |
| 02:29.27 | eldowan | TheSarge: pass a line to the kernel during boot. Try something here: |
| 02:29.39 | TheSarge | here? |
| 02:29.53 | eldowan | sorry, here: http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2004-October/030438.html |
| 02:30.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:30.14 | eldowan | TheSarge: if you use grub, append it to the end of your kernel line before boot. |
| 02:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !knoppixsmite dansushi |
| 02:30.33 | dpkg | takes away dansushi's oxygen and replaces it with ozone. "It's just like oxygen! It's based on oxygen!" |
| 02:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was ozone :) |
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| 02:31.00 | eldowan | TheSarge: Personally, I use vga=792, but for a 1280x1024 monitor. |
| 02:31.28 | TheSarge | eldowan: Thx can I may I pastebin you my menu.lst to make sure its right before i reboot? |
| 02:31.38 | TheSarge | lol just may |
| 02:31.56 | eldowan | TheSarge: you can do as you please. |
| 02:32.19 | eldowan | TheSarge: here is a kernel line from my menu.lst though: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 root=LABEL=debroot ro vga=792 |
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| 02:33.08 | TheSarge | so its on a seperate line? or is that my giant resolution + irssi word wrapping it? |
| 02:33.09 | jetscreamer | you did the label yourself? |
| 02:33.14 | jetscreamer | in the line? |
| 02:33.25 | eldowan | sorry, let me repost. |
| 02:33.31 | eldowan | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 root=LABEL=debroot ro vga=792 |
| 02:33.40 | TheSarge | okay thx |
| 02:34.10 | jetscreamer | TheSarge: vga=0318 |
| 02:34.14 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 02:34.29 | jetscreamer | in menu.lst in the correct place |
| 02:34.30 | eldowan | TheSarge: the menu.lst uses whitespace to make it pretty, but I think that it doesn't matter (not that I've tried). Try it out, and if you like it, edit the menu.lst where it says the following: ## additional options to use with the default boot optio |
| 02:34.34 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 02:34.42 | jetscreamer | somebody helped you already |
| 02:35.07 | eldowan | jetscreamer: can you use hex codes for the vga line? |
| 02:35.32 | Gm4n | is there a way to install mtr without all the x11 and such? I don't want x11 on my server |
| 02:35.37 | jetscreamer | either/or, eldowan |
| 02:35.44 | eldowan | jetscreamer: Thanks. |
| 02:36.03 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:36.10 | jetscreamer | i think you do need the x in there. |
| 02:36.32 | jetscreamer | ##kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-k7 root=/dev/sdc1 ro vga=0x318 |
| 02:36.34 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:37.49 | jetscreamer | duh me |
| 02:38.04 | jetscreamer | what's mtr |
| 02:38.45 | eldowan | jetscreamer: on my other system, I specified an incorrect value for vga= and it kicked me a few options. I think I put 0318 (no x) and it went into a good, working, high resolution set of VTs |
| 02:38.47 | jetscreamer | i take all the comments and line spaces out of menu.lst .. i leave the spaces in the lines though |
| 02:38.59 | Gm4n | it's a traceroute util. I found my answer, there's a special version called mtr-tiny that isn't linked against x11 |
| 02:39.00 | jetscreamer | you can do vga=ask |
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| 02:39.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 02:40.32 | eldowan | Gm4n: Thanks for mtr. Its a really nice utility that I wish I had in the past. |
| 02:41.02 | XxtjaxX | elowan whats that mtr? |
| 02:41.02 | Gm4n | yeah, when I discovered MTR, I dumped traceroute, and we've been dating exclusively ever since |
| 02:41.11 | Gm4n | it's a combination of ping and traceroute |
| 02:41.19 | Gm4n | in a very nice ncurses (or if you want it, x11) gui |
| 02:41.19 | XxtjaxX | aha |
| 02:41.26 | eldowan | XxtjaxX: constant ping and traceroute, ncurses interface. |
| 02:42.09 | XxtjaxX | hmm ncurses perfect for a nice little console only server... right? |
| 02:42.14 | Gm4n | exactly |
| 02:42.17 | Gm4n | for that, install mtr-tiny |
| 02:42.49 | Gm4n | be warned, though, it hogs 115kB of disk after install =P |
| 02:42.55 | XxtjaxX | hmmm i dont have a server though wished i could have one but no $$$ |
| 02:43.20 | XxtjaxX | 115kb isnt that big |
| 02:44.00 | eldowan | XxtjaxX: are you kidding, it is absolutely outrageous! |
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| 02:44.22 | XxtjaxX | please |
| 02:44.55 | eldowan | please... ? |
| 02:44.57 | XxtjaxX | look at what most servers these dayys have as their hd's its troumendously little |
| 02:45.11 | eldowan | oh. I guess this would be useful. </scarcasm> |
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| 02:46.02 | XxtjaxX | oh uhm uh... |
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| 02:47.08 | nohup_ | good day all, again :) |
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| 02:49.00 | XxtjaxX | Well I have a little etwork here two -three clients and i one has some virtualbox running with a server and stuff on it so i want to make a little setup where i hava a small webbpage for the intranet where a message can be send to me from one client in a nother room to my pcs /var/mail account how can I do that? |
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| 02:54.58 | Kewldude | Hello everyone |
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| 02:55.21 | Kewldude | can anyone here help me out please |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | just ask your real question |
| 02:56.04 | pickcoder | if you type /part you'll be out of the channel. :) |
| 02:56.31 | eldowan | pickcoder: that was delightfully evil. |
| 02:56.31 | Kewldude | just installed ubuntu converted this destop from the lousy vista and I don't understand the os |
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| 02:56.54 | eldowan | Kewldude: you'll want #ubuntu I would wager |
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| 02:57.23 | upIRC | I don't understand ubuntu full "." |
| 02:57.32 | Kewldude | ok so from this menu i would type the #unbutu |
| 02:57.33 | XxtjaxX | Kewldude, whats the mateer? why? |
| 02:57.44 | at0m|c | Kewldude: /join #ubuntu |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | Kewldude: /join #ubuntu |
| 02:58.00 | Kewldude | k thanks |
| 02:58.03 | pickcoder | well I was half correct in my sarcasm |
| 02:58.09 | pickcoder | story of my life |
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| 02:58.31 | n-iCe | http://asdasdasd.pastebin.com/m308a116f |
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| 02:58.32 | n-iCe | any ideas? |
| 02:58.39 | abrotman | ask a real question? |
| 02:58.39 | n-iCe | I did this: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices |
| 02:58.48 | TheSarge | Oh my goodness maybe now I wont need to use X so much, its soooo much better at a better resolution! |
| 02:58.51 | n-iCe | But I can't use the headset yet, isn't connecting. |
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| 02:59.17 | eldowan | TheSarge: Isn't it just wonderful having so much screen realestate? |
| 02:59.33 | TheSarge | But It didnt have a very high VGA resolution I had to pick a vesa to get 1024x768 |
| 02:59.41 | TheSarge | Anything wrong with Vesa vs vga? |
| 02:59.56 | jetscreamer | in X? |
| 03:00.03 | TheSarge | No console |
| 03:00.13 | eldowan | TheSarge: if I understand correctly the vga switch uses vesa codes. I'm wrong a lot though. |
| 03:00.18 | jetscreamer | different kettle of fish, the terms |
| 03:00.38 | jetscreamer | it's not like you can put vesa=772 or whatever |
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| 03:01.14 | TheSarge | Oh well it said invalid mode for 768 and i had to pick from a list and half were labeled vga the other half where vesa |
| 03:01.49 | at0m|c | n-iCe: i've had more help on bt in #bluez, but it can take a while there - it's not as busy as here.. |
| 03:01.50 | jetscreamer | 779 is a good one iirc.. 1024@16bit |
| 03:01.53 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 03:01.56 | TheSarge | the VGA ones were all XXxXX and the Vesa were actual resolutions I recognized |
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| 03:02.37 | TheSarge | This was the highest one in the list |
| 03:02.42 | pickcoder | n-iCe: which kernel |
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| 03:02.54 | TheSarge | Now I am gunna go read man screen and learn some console stuff i need to know |
| 03:03.16 | n-iCe | pickcoder: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 03:03.19 | n-iCe | thanks at0m|c |
| 03:03.21 | eldowan | TheSarge: 773 should be a decen 1024x768 resolution. |
| 03:03.24 | TheSarge | lol there is no manual for screen |
| 03:03.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=vga%3D+modes+framebuffer&restrict=linux |
| 03:03.39 | eldowan | TheSarge: I've got one. |
| 03:03.56 | KC | how would I print an htm file from the command line? |
| 03:03.59 | TheSarge | eldowan: I just chose the highest in the list, cause the number you gave me it didnt like, could be my crappy Intel 810 intergrated pos |
| 03:04.13 | TheSarge | is it info screen then? |
| 03:04.17 | eldowan | TheSarge: the number I gave you before was for my 1280x1024 monitor |
| 03:04.27 | jetscreamer | no screen is a different command/program |
| 03:04.34 | eldowan | TheSarge: I've got both man and info screen |
| 03:04.46 | eldowan | I'm obviously confused though. |
| 03:05.06 | TheSarge | eldowan: So am Im |
| 03:05.15 | nohup_ | ah, there are still people awake :) |
| 03:05.20 | TheSarge | Beefix:~# man screen |
| 03:05.20 | TheSarge | No manual entry for screen |
| 03:05.53 | nohup_ | i have a problem with apt... broken packages... and i'm out of ideas... |
| 03:05.56 | TheSarge | info works though |
| 03:06.24 | eldowan | TheSarge: hmm. I've got both working without issue. Hopefully you'll get everything sorted out. Good luck, and goodnight. |
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| 03:06.32 | TheSarge | God I hate when something breaks when apt installs it so hard to fix sometimes, and then you can't build anything after... blah |
| 03:06.35 | jetscreamer | TheSarge: http://i810fb.sourceforge.net/howto/index.html |
| 03:06.50 | nohup_ | i cannot install either gnome nor kde, and i need SOME desktop for my work :) |
| 03:06.54 | TheSarge | jetscreamer: Like i said info works so i am set |
| 03:06.59 | pickcoder | n-iCe: I can't find anything. There was a bug in 2.6.24. |
| 03:07.01 | nohup_ | couldn't do any work today because of this problem, and i'm getting desperate |
| 03:07.16 | pickcoder | did you get the latest bluez code? |
| 03:07.28 | jetscreamer | info won't give you that |
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| 03:07.30 | nohup_ | is there any way to get apt to output some usefull info about what's actually going wrong ? |
| 03:07.32 | jetscreamer | but whatever |
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| 03:07.46 | TheSarge | Oh thats why I came here, to figure out why half the time my screen goes black when i start a different wm or change resolutions, no errors in the Xorg log |
| 03:07.47 | jetscreamer | nohup_: sid? |
| 03:08.00 | n-iCe | pickcoder: I think so |
| 03:08.19 | jetscreamer | ppl are always awake here |
| 03:08.27 | nohup_ | jetscreamer: it was mixed sid/etch.. i removed all the gnome and kde related stuff (afaik) and updated sourced with only sid... |
| 03:08.35 | pickcoder | from what I've read 4.x is best suited |
| 03:08.47 | pickcoder | 3.36 is in sid |
| 03:08.52 | nohup_ | but i can't get any desktop installed back on it due to broken deps |
| 03:10.29 | jetscreamer | nohup_: change back to testing, install gnome only, or kde, change back.. they've got both kde and gnome fuxored it seems... |
| 03:10.42 | jetscreamer | i run sid but won't let mine upgrade |
| 03:10.59 | jetscreamer | atm.. i noticed it in time |
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| 03:11.16 | nohup_ | i'll try that... |
| 03:11.32 | nohup_ | ahhh, that seems to install... |
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| 03:11.50 | nohup_ | and then... wait a few days before going back ? :) |
| 03:12.20 | nohup_ | oh man, it's so good to see apt-get install gnome-session not returning an error message... thanks :) |
| 03:12.55 | nohup_ | i was working today, and there seemed stuff very wrong with gnome, after an upgrade... then restarted x, and nothing was working :) |
| 03:13.50 | jetscreamer | nohup_: or you can just run something else, like i do |
| 03:13.56 | jetscreamer | i use icewm personally |
| 03:14.00 | jetscreamer | there are many more |
| 03:14.11 | nohup_ | i know there are tons |
| 03:14.18 | jetscreamer | k |
| 03:14.25 | nohup_ | and i've used tons... stuck with gnome though |
| 03:14.37 | jetscreamer | not atm :) |
| 03:14.43 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 03:14.46 | nohup_ | i've used windowmaker for years before, i don't even know if it still exists these days though |
| 03:14.52 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:14.56 | jetscreamer | in sources |
| 03:15.05 | jetscreamer | just apt-get if you want |
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| 03:15.38 | TheSarge | Is there a way to write a simple script for irssi that you can run at startup like /server irc.freenode.com delay=10s /nick NICKNAME /msg nickserv identify PASSWORD /j #CHANNEL /j #CHANNEL2 ..etc.. |
| 03:15.40 | nohup_ | many desktop eviroments runs severly crappy when using dual head and rdesktop in seamless mode :) |
| 03:15.55 | nohup_ | or rather, window managers |
| 03:15.58 | jetscreamer | 2.6.29 headers are borkeded also so if you need to compile, don't use the stock |
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| 03:16.22 | nohup_ | i'm still running 2.6.24 :) |
| 03:16.23 | jetscreamer | yes TheSarge |
| 03:16.36 | jetscreamer | i can't tell you how but i know it can be done |
| 03:16.51 | jetscreamer | i knew at one time |
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| 03:17.19 | jetscreamer | !irssi |
| 03:17.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org , http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 03:17.26 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 03:17.31 | jetscreamer | a startup document |
| 03:17.33 | jetscreamer | wow |
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| 03:18.40 | jetscreamer | hows that text browser working out for you.. i used lynx iirc |
| 03:18.50 | nohup_ | dude, i got a gnome desktop in front of me again |
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| 03:19.12 | setuid | Anyone know if there's a way to check and fix permission issues on directories related to packages? |
| 03:19.14 | jetscreamer | no i meant for TheSarge and the text browser.. but cool |
| 03:19.26 | nohup_ | another question, where does multi-gnome-terminal live these days ? :) |
| 03:19.36 | jetscreamer | that's the name of it iirc |
| 03:19.48 | jetscreamer | but it's different from gnome-term, the default installed |
| 03:20.17 | nohup_ | E: Package multi-gnome-terminal has no installation candidate |
| 03:20.19 | nohup_ | it used to be :) |
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| 03:21.17 | jetscreamer | ah yeah you're right, it's gone now i guess |
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| 03:21.36 | jetscreamer | i saw it all the time browsing the packages, so i knew it existed |
| 03:21.51 | nohup_ | hehe yeah |
| 03:21.59 | nohup_ | i still used it when the day started :) |
| 03:22.42 | jetscreamer | i use gnome-terminal here in icewm, i kinda like it.. maybe they merged it |
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| 03:22.57 | nohup_ | i guess so, cause it looks the same :) |
| 03:23.19 | nohup_ | now metacity --replace is trying to fuck with me... |
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| 03:23.58 | nohup_ | but 'm damn glad you suggested changing to testing |
| 03:24.01 | nohup_ | thanks again for that |
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| 03:24.24 | Akuw | hi, in my Home dir appear file: folder |
| 03:24.26 | jetscreamer | np |
| 03:24.32 | Akuw | i delete but appear again |
| 03:24.36 | jetscreamer | yeah it went away with etch, Package multi-gnome-terminal did |
| 03:24.36 | maxagaz | how to allow a given user to run a few specific command ? (for instance, i want my user 'foo' to be able to run 'shutdown -r now') |
| 03:24.37 | Akuw | what is that |
| 03:24.55 | jetscreamer | maxagaz: sudo, but don't give them ALL |
| 03:25.28 | jetscreamer | Akuw: open up a terminal and check the permissions |
| 03:25.41 | jetscreamer | maybe it's owned by another |
| 03:26.25 | jetscreamer | 0.!sudoers |
| 03:26.28 | jetscreamer | erp |
| 03:26.30 | jetscreamer | !sudoers |
| 03:26.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sudoers is You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 03:26.38 | Akuw | drwx------ 3 t101 t101 4096 abr 8 20:14 file: |
| 03:26.58 | jetscreamer | apropos sudo ? |
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| 03:27.56 | Akuw | into that dir is /file:/home/t101/Desktop$ |
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| 03:31.50 | infomomo | how to make sure nobody can edit my grub at start up ? |
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| 03:33.10 | nohup_ | everything working again |
| 03:33.16 | nohup_ | awesome |
| 03:33.16 | XxtjaxX | where can i see which particular version of a library i have installed?? |
| 03:35.03 | Rusty1 | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Security.html << infomomo |
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| 03:35.23 | infomomo | Rusty1: thnaks brother |
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| 03:36.16 | sintack | XxtjaxX: "apt-cache policy [insert library name]" |
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| 03:36.41 | XxtjaxX | ah THANKS |
| 03:36.59 | sintack | sure |
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| 03:37.38 | nohup_ | well sleeptime for me, thanks and goodnight ! :) |
| 03:38.43 | maxagaz | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 03:39.20 | maxagaz | can someone explain me this line in the sudoers file ? => "www ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/php -f /home/server.php" |
| 03:39.43 | XxtjaxX | hmm intresting.. |
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| 03:39.49 | maxagaz | i understand well what ALL=(ALL) means |
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| 03:42.44 | sintack | i guess it means that users in the "www" group don't need to provide a password when executing that command "/usr/bin/php ..." |
| 03:42.55 | sintack | there's "man sudoers" to make sure |
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| 04:11.22 | forrestv | did debian get rid of it's arm port?? |
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| 04:18.11 | forrestv | how do i change the arch of a debian installation? |
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| 04:22.44 | izua | how can i do a memtest while running a system? |
| 04:23.05 | izua | is there such a utility? |
| 04:23.36 | adb | nu cred |
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| 04:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is |
| 04:24.31 | adb | ah ? |
| 04:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I forgot the name :) |
| 04:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | memtester? |
| 04:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | memtester - stress test to find memory subsystem faults. |
| 04:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and memtest86+ |
| 04:26.10 | izua | adb: d-aia intreb :) |
| 04:26.20 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.20 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.34 | izua | well.. i need ssh. |
| 04:26.37 | adb | apt-cache show memtest86 |
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| 04:27.06 | izua | this box is in a wardrobe under a ton of other stuff, and there's more stuff in front of the wardrobe's door. |
| 04:27.48 | blime | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:28.12 | izua | thing is i suspect one module to be defective |
| 04:28.18 | izua | apt-get failed a few times on hashes |
| 04:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | blime, they're both meta packages |
| 04:28.24 | izua | vim gives segfaults on large files |
| 04:28.47 | adb | blime: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 04:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | blime, one points at the current amd64 package, the other at the most common 2.6er amd64 package, I'd say from the name - you can check with apt-cache show packagename |
| 04:29.17 | blime | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 04:29.25 | blime | adb, also thanks |
| 04:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | most recent, not most common |
| 04:29.56 | adb | np |
| 04:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | the point of this is that you will get the "newest available" or the "newest available 2.6.x" kernel when you upgrade |
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| 04:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't have this package, upgrade will just look for newer versions of the package of the same kernel version |
| 04:32.21 | adb | izua: checked bts about vim segfault ? |
| 04:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. |
| 04:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | or apropos ... hooray, picard stopped segfaulting |
| 04:33.01 | blime | CutMeOwnThroat, Cool. I should probably just keep it at linux-image-2.6-amd64 for now. Don't want any newer type kernels breaking compatibility. |
| 04:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I can mix in the picard from unstable into lenny without problems... so double-hooray |
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| 04:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | blime, if you don't want upgrades to pull in new kernels, then remove these meta packages |
| 04:34.06 | izua | adb: what's bts? |
| 04:34.09 | adb | !tell izua bts |
| 04:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 04:34.11 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges>. |
| 04:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 04:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I feel bad |
| 04:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | 9 chars more and you were faster |
| 04:34.38 | adb | no wary |
| 04:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you expected it :) |
| 04:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and had it prepared |
| 04:34.53 | adb | heh |
| 04:35.03 | izua | lol |
| 04:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, this exchange takes place surely 10 times a day |
| 04:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least once a day |
| 04:36.06 | izua | err.. so memtesters returns some value when it exits.. and those values tell me if it failed or if it succedded |
| 04:36.28 | izua | it's nice and flashy when it runs, but its last std::cout is 'done' |
| 04:36.34 | izua | how can i view the return value? |
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| 04:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just trying it with 500MB... and it still prints loadsa "ok" |
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| 04:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, I'll try with 1MB |
| 04:37.26 | izua | add it a loop paramemter |
| 04:37.34 | izua | memtester [locked memory] [loops] |
| 04:37.43 | izua | cause loops defaults to infinite :P |
| 04:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 04:38.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, guess "Done" == ok? |
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| 04:39.10 | izua | that's what I get too, done. |
| 04:39.26 | izua | man says it has a different return value for error states |
| 04:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr... it's testing "0MB"? |
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| 04:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | do memtester 200MB 1000 |egrep -v 'Loop|ok|^$' |
| 04:40.21 | izua | what's -v ? |
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| 04:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's secret |
| 04:40.33 | adb | verbose ? |
| 04:40.36 | izua | regex? |
| 04:40.47 | izua | oh. right. |
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| 04:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, you could also do if memtester 1MB 1000; ; then echo all ok, great excitment; else echo deep depression follows; fi |
| 04:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course that wouldn't give you the exit code |
| 04:44.15 | izua | and testing the same part of ram 1000 times doesn't seem very effective |
| 04:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 04:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it can only access what's free |
| 04:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why the other one boots |
| 04:45.41 | izua | of course.. |
| 04:45.47 | izua | i think i'm gonna install it in grub |
| 04:45.57 | izua | and add a keyboard and a monitor.. gah |
| 04:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 04:46.14 | izua | they should make vga over ssh or something |
| 04:46.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it actually works a hell lot better run as root :) |
| 04:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so |
| 04:46.33 | izua | how can you run memtest86 as root if the kernel wasn't booted? |
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| 04:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | memtester |
| 04:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get my 500MB |
| 04:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | which means it's testing an appreciable fraction of the ram |
| 04:47.21 | izua | does it matter? |
| 04:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | surely more than when only allocating a couple of kb |
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| 04:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if it allocates 500MB, it at least tests 500MB |
| 04:47.46 | izua | it's enough for one single bit to flip where the kernel is loaded |
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| 04:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps more, if the allocated region moves around from iteration to iteration |
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| 04:48.07 | izua | it doesn't.. |
| 04:48.10 | izua | that's why it's locking it |
| 04:48.26 | izua | if it would have moved around, i think it would have to lock the new region |
| 04:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, for one iteration |
| 04:48.38 | izua | it would have had* |
| 04:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it isnt doing that between iterations? |
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| 04:49.30 | izua | shouldn't it lock the new section? |
| 04:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 04:50.00 | izua | when you start it, it does a mlock on a ram section |
| 04:50.05 | izua | otherwise it dies (at least here) |
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| 04:50.17 | izua | if it changes the section under test, shouldn't it lock that? |
| 04:50.24 | izua | anyway.. |
| 04:50.30 | izua | i'm falling to memtest86 |
| 04:50.44 | izua | is there an easy way to install it to grub? :) |
| 04:51.03 | adb | it install himself in grub |
| 04:51.19 | izua | i don't see it in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:51.29 | adb | must reboot |
| 04:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | changes the section? |
| 04:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the type of test? |
| 04:52.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it sticks around |
| 04:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd bet it changes from iteration to iteration |
| 04:52.25 | izua | try doing it with 1 MB, and see if it locks a new portion |
| 04:52.30 | izua | doesn't happen here |
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| 04:52.48 | izua | no no.. you have a section.. the one you mlocked(), and you perform various tests on that |
| 04:53.09 | izua | adb: but if i reboot and memtest isn't in /boot/grub/menu.lst.. how would i start it? |
| 04:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, indeed |
| 04:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that kinda sucks |
| 04:53.40 | adb | izua: use a kernel than |
| 04:53.40 | izua | truth being said, i do have a /boot/memtest86.bin |
| 04:53.55 | izua | how? |
| 04:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 04:54.11 | adb | select it from grub ? |
| 04:54.50 | izua | i'm sorry.. i'm very new to linux |
| 04:54.57 | izua | i ran apt-get install memtest86 |
| 04:55.04 | izua | it worked. what now? |
| 04:55.35 | upIRC | run it |
| 04:56.23 | izua | so, reboot. |
| 04:56.30 | adb | reboot , and select from grub memtest86 or a kernel |
| 04:56.50 | izua | right. brb then, moving my monitor & keyb.. |
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| 05:02.10 | ryanarch1 | quick question, is it necessary to install the bulk of X on a headless server that I'm just going to be doing ssh x forwarding? |
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| 05:05.15 | leon2k | hi! sorry for the stupid question but i cant manage to find how i can disable that my mountet harddisk are shown own my gnome desktop. How can i turn this off ? |
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| 05:08.48 | klaz168 | leon2k, under gnome? |
| 05:09.19 | leon2k | yes |
| 05:09.43 | leon2k | currently iam browsing the config but i just cant find it |
| 05:10.59 | klaz168 | leon2k, apps > nautilus > volumes_visible |
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| 05:11.48 | klaz168 | leon2k, apps > nautilus > desktop > volumes_visible |
| 05:12.04 | leon2k | that did the trick :) thanks |
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| 05:21.04 | bpun | what's the option, if any.. to force apt-get to install a list of packages even if 1 packagename doesn't exist? |
| 05:21.50 | ryanCH | i setup my wifi device with ndiswrapper, it sees the device/driver present, but KDE, network manager, says "no device available" why is this? |
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| 05:29.30 | yangsx | does anyone has problem logging into X after latest unstable upgrade? |
| 05:29.52 | dondelelcaro | yangsx: you probably forgot to restart xdm and/or gdm. |
| 05:30.26 | yangsx | dondelecaro: that's not the case. I rebooted several times now |
| 05:30.41 | dondelelcaro | yangsx: ok, then what's the error message you're getting? |
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| 05:31.05 | yangsx | dondelelcaro: sometimes I can log in using Xdm and the error is: Cal to lnusertemp failed |
| 05:31.21 | yangsx | (temporary directories full?) |
| 05:32.03 | jetscreamer | well gnome and kde are fuxored, but that doesn't seem to be your particular problem |
| 05:32.05 | yangsx | I searched the web, and believe that my /var/tmp has enough space |
| 05:32.16 | jetscreamer | your temp isn't chowned to you anymore? |
| 05:33.16 | yangsx | jetscreamer: which one? /var/tmp or /tmp? |
| 05:34.01 | jetscreamer | i don't know, it was just something i've seen before |
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| 05:35.01 | jetscreamer | i 'used' to know |
| 05:35.04 | yangsx | jetscreamer: They are similar to those on another debian system. So that should not be the cause |
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| 05:35.18 | Stargazers | Have any of you customized your XDM? |
| 05:35.29 | jetscreamer | ln usertmp? |
| 05:35.59 | jetscreamer | does apt-file update |
| 05:36.00 | yangsx | Stargazers: I didn't |
| 05:36.15 | jetscreamer | heh you have to be a programmer almost to customize xdm :) |
| 05:36.25 | Stargazers | Well, I am programmer :P |
| 05:36.26 | bpun | anyone knows of a way to use "echo Y| command somthing" in a for loop? |
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| 05:36.43 | Stargazers | But um, maybe I should test today later if I can custom it. |
| 05:37.05 | jetscreamer | it's actually a language, or almost |
| 05:37.07 | bpun | bash for loop |
| 05:37.13 | pandator | hello. is it possible to change aptitude's choice of repos between stable/testing/unstable in some convenient way without editing config files manually? |
| 05:37.15 | jetscreamer | or so i've heard/seen |
| 05:37.48 | bpun | pandator, y.. use custom scripts.. |
| 05:38.00 | bpun | pandator, just tell apt on the fly what conf to use.. |
| 05:38.06 | jetscreamer | just make copies, modify, alias cp |
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| 05:38.29 | Stargazers | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=20201 <-- Oh. |
| 05:38.35 | jetscreamer | but why would you want to |
| 05:38.42 | jetscreamer | just out of curiosity |
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| 05:39.30 | simonrvn | bpun: `yes` |
| 05:39.43 | simonrvn | yes | foo |
| 05:39.46 | yangsx | jetscreamer: lnusertemp is a tool for kde |
| 05:40.03 | jetscreamer | AHA! |
| 05:40.09 | Stargazers | jetscreamer: That seems easy way. |
| 05:40.14 | Stargazers | jetscreamer: That page what I pasted :) |
| 05:40.23 | jetscreamer | kdelibs5-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/lnusertemp |
| 05:40.26 | pandator | jetscreamer: I expect to switch between repos frequently in the following days because I'll be testing different debian, uhh, 'distros' in a number of uses and see which one fits me best |
| 05:40.29 | jetscreamer | kde is borked in sid, so.... |
| 05:40.30 | Stargazers | Have to add it... |
| 05:40.52 | simonrvn | pandator: you could say releases or versions |
| 05:41.03 | pandator | simonrvn: ah OK thanks |
| 05:41.10 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 05:41.10 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 05:41.15 | simonrvn | even though only stable is actually released ;) |
| 05:41.15 | jetscreamer | fyi |
| 05:41.29 | pandator | uh oh |
| 05:41.42 | pandator | thanks for the heads-up |
| 05:41.48 | jetscreamer | just go up :) |
| 05:41.57 | jetscreamer | oh and make a copy of your original stable |
| 05:42.09 | jetscreamer | sid to testing can be done, you just have to wait for some |
| 05:42.26 | jetscreamer | well, 'usually' it's not a problem |
| 05:43.07 | jetscreamer | waves@simonrvn |
| 05:43.17 | pandator | OK |
| 05:43.34 | ryanCH | in lenny, you can still configure your resolution in, xorg.conf .. right? |
| 05:43.43 | jetscreamer | i have sid and testing in sources, sometimes testing doesn't have everything sid has |
| 05:43.50 | simonrvn | hey jet |
| 05:43.53 | jetscreamer | even though it was in there before and wil be again |
| 05:44.20 | jetscreamer | ryanCH: yeah, you just have to add to the emptyness |
| 05:44.36 | jetscreamer | (of xorg.conf) |
| 05:44.44 | ryanCH | jetscreamer: cool :) |
| 05:44.47 | jetscreamer | emptiness? |
| 05:45.02 | ryanCH | ;p |
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| 05:45.49 | bpun | simonrvn, i currently taken a look at http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html .. i think i can be of some help |
| 05:46.14 | jetscreamer | i 'could not' go ubuntu->sid though ... thought i'd try it once |
| 05:46.15 | jvogel | hi |
| 05:46.52 | jvogel | i would like to to assign my arrow keys to 'blank' (is that possible?) and then assign them permanently to c-p (up) c-n (down) c-b (left) c-f (right) |
| 05:47.05 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 05:47.08 | ryanCH | jetscreamer: do you have any experience with ndiswrapper? |
| 05:47.15 | jetscreamer | once i did it |
| 05:47.20 | jetscreamer | a year ago |
| 05:47.25 | jetscreamer | wan't hard |
| 05:47.29 | jetscreamer | s |
| 05:47.41 | jvogel | what do i do? |
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| 05:47.59 | jvogel | its on a netbook and the arrow keys are close to other keys so i accidentally hit them in terminal |
| 05:48.05 | ryanCH | jetscreamer: well, it sees the device/driver present and installed ... but NetworkManager isn't seeing the device |
| 05:48.12 | jetscreamer | you find the keycodes with xev and assignthem with/to... .... i forget |
| 05:48.21 | simonrvn | bpun: ok... why are you telling me this? |
| 05:48.38 | jvogel | jetscreamer: can you make the arrow keys blank tho |
| 05:48.52 | jetscreamer | there's something about managed and unmanaged devices with network manager... i don't know much about it though. |
| 05:48.59 | jetscreamer | i never used it. |
| 05:49.08 | jetscreamer | i have it now, but don't use the wireless |
| 05:49.27 | jetscreamer | maybe yours isn't managed |
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| 05:50.35 | ryanCH | hmm |
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| 05:51.53 | bpun | simonrvn, is that page up to date? |
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| 05:52.18 | bpun | simonrvn, seems that some package names mentioned dont exist.. |
| 05:52.28 | bpun | nm |
| 05:52.36 | bpun | i think i got a fix on something |
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| 05:55.49 | jetscreamer | !keymap |
| 05:55.49 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 05:56.00 | jetscreamer | there ya go jvogel |
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| 05:56.34 | Metatron | the panel on at the bottom of the screen in gonme, where your apps go when you minimize them, it has a close option on right click...anyway to add a kill option...kill 9 |
| 05:57.02 | jetscreamer | sounds like something to compile in Metatron .. not sure though |
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| 05:57.36 | Metatron | can't find anything on google, but im thinking my search terms arent the best |
| 05:58.10 | bpun | Metatron, u can add the application "xkill" if a window is frozen on the desktop.. |
| 05:58.16 | jetscreamer | context menu maybe |
| 05:58.43 | Metatron | yeah i can run it from term, just wanted it there, could do it in a couple other window managers |
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| 05:59.20 | KenLaptop | Hey guys - does anyone know if linux can synchronize files between two servers in real time? |
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| 05:59.39 | bpun | KenLaptop, there's the command rsync |
| 05:59.46 | Subdino | Hi. since I updated to 2.6.29 on sid (I used a home-built 2.6.28 before stable got released), initrd stops with a statement that /proc/mdadm is not present, and I get an initrd shell. if I type "mdadm --assemble --scan" and ^D, boot continues. How is that command supposed to be automaticaly executed ? |
| 05:59.53 | bpun | KenLaptop, there's many tools.. |
| 06:00.16 | KenLaptop | I'm sorry lol, I meant 'rsync' in place of linux. |
| 06:00.19 | Subdino | I suspect that I edited some (initramfs ?) config back when I installed my 2.6.28 build, but debsums doesn't help there |
| 06:00.22 | jetscreamer | Metatron: here ya go: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2007-12/msg01481.html |
| 06:00.44 | ryanCH | jetscreamer: i have debian 64-bit, but the windows driver is 32-bit .. would that make a difference? |
| 06:00.50 | KenLaptop | bpun: Can rsync syncrhonize two servers files constantly and in real time? |
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| 06:00.54 | bpun | KenLaptop, u can schedule rsync with cron... to run X number minutes or hourly... |
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| 06:00.56 | jetscreamer | When you put your scripts inside this directory: ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts they will appear in the right-click menu in gnome. |
| 06:01.00 | bpun | KenLaptop, ? |
| 06:01.09 | ddalton | is there a "debian manual" somewhere? i just want to browse the index... :) |
| 06:01.23 | bpun | KenLaptop, yeah.. but u'd just be eating up more network if u want to be checking ur new files all the time... |
| 06:01.24 | jetscreamer | ryanCH: 'probably' but i know nothing about 64bit |
| 06:01.29 | jetscreamer | yes there is |
| 06:01.33 | jetscreamer | !manual |
| 06:01.37 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 06:01.54 | jetscreamer | !reference |
| 06:01.54 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at http://qref.sf.net/ , also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 06:02.06 | KenLaptop | For instance, I have load balanced web servers, 2 of them. Both of them can accept uploaded files such as images, or documents. If I upload a file to one server, it needs to be copied to the other. |
| 06:02.10 | bpun | KenLaptop, there's this neat project called iFolder.. i think i might try to have that working on debian... |
| 06:02.12 | Metatron | rysnc wont go real time, but do you realy need real time? |
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| 06:02.56 | jetscreamer | just go cluster |
| 06:02.57 | ddalton | thanks. |
| 06:03.24 | KenLaptop | Lets assume I go to www.domain.com, I get directed to one of 2 servers, lets say Server A. I upload file "dude.cool" using the web interface. The next request goes to Server B (upload confirmation lets say) - well it trys to show the image, but since it doesn't exist, it's a broken image. |
| 06:03.36 | KenLaptop | See what I mean? |
| 06:03.38 | jetscreamer | you want a cluster |
| 06:04.06 | jetscreamer | but can't afford one.. neither can i |
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| 06:04.14 | KenLaptop | jetscreamer, I want real time synchronization. |
| 06:04.20 | KenLaptop | lol this guy says I can't afford a cluster |
| 06:04.26 | jetscreamer | it doens't get any realer than that |
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| 06:04.30 | Quizagreat | http://alexthebest99.mybrute.com |
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| 06:04.45 | jetscreamer | well.. ok you can afford one |
| 06:05.08 | jetscreamer | problem solved |
| 06:05.15 | jetscreamer | unless this is a cluster |
| 06:05.26 | bpun | KenLaptop, probably one of those cms systems provide cross hosting synchronization.. |
| 06:05.27 | KenLaptop | Relax. |
| 06:05.46 | Metatron | http://code.google.com/p/lsyncd/ or http://www.linux-ha.org/DRBD maybe... |
| 06:05.57 | bpun | KenLaptop, just check out cms in wikipedia.. they'll have a list of comparisons to check out... |
| 06:06.15 | KenLaptop | NOt what I need. |
| 06:06.20 | KenLaptop | Metatron is closest |
| 06:06.25 | KenLaptop | Will check out lsync, thanks Meta |
| 06:06.26 | bpun | KenLaptop, u said web interface.. that suggest something.. |
| 06:06.40 | KenLaptop | Narrow minds... |
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| 06:07.12 | Metatron | sounds hairy good luck |
| 06:07.32 | jetscreamer | ooo The Philippine government's official weather service, PAGASA, has replaced its SGI supercomputer with a clustered Debian Linux system that ... |
| 06:07.55 | bpun | doesn't understand KenLaptop when he's calling people Narrow minds when people here are trying to help him |
| 06:08.04 | bpun | sheesh*** |
| 06:09.12 | CaT[t2] | oh bloody hell. they got rid of the timeout option for cryptdisks in lenny. 8( |
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| 06:10.34 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&safe=off&num=100&newwindow=1&q=debian+web+cluster&btnG=Search |
| 06:12.01 | jetscreamer | Installing VirtualBox 2 On A Debian Lenny Desktop <--needed yesterday, not today |
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| 06:33.27 | EmleyMoor | I am trying to do a reinstall of all my packages following some filesystem damage. aptitude reinstall '~i' fails with E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash |
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| 06:33.53 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/32870 |
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| 06:36.16 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: ok, your first task is to get debconf installed and working. Start by reinstalling that. |
| 06:38.48 | EmleyMoor | Reinstalled debconf |
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| 06:39.47 | EmleyMoor | Any testing I need to do, or anything else to do on its own? |
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| 06:40.56 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: ok, then see what hapens when you try to reinstall bash |
| 06:41.55 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: Also succeeds |
| 06:43.33 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: Anything else I need to do before retrying the whole thing? |
| 06:43.37 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: ok; you may be able to reinstall things at will now |
| 06:43.42 | EmleyMoor | OK |
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| 06:44.53 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: Still fails, same error |
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| 06:45.12 | mib_cwjanj | Hi all, how do i change the domain name in debian? |
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| 06:46.48 | streuner_ | domain name? |
| 06:47.26 | mib_cwjanj | rfl-fs.rfl |
| 06:47.31 | mib_cwjanj | instead of rfl-fs.workgroup |
| 06:47.44 | mib_cwjanj | or is that a smb thing only |
| 06:48.11 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: well, you don't need to reinstall bash anymore, so do something like ?essential!?name(bash); then ?installed!?essential |
| 06:48.26 | dondelelcaro | mib_cwjanj: you edit /etc/hosts, basically. |
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| 06:49.05 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: In place of ~i? |
| 06:49.29 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: right |
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| 06:49.46 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: ~i==?installed, of course. |
| 06:50.12 | EmleyMoor | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 06:50.20 | mib_cwjanj | so i just set the hostname to rfl-fs.RFL? |
| 06:50.32 | kittonian | hi all. anyone here really good with qmail? there's no one around the #qmail channel |
| 06:50.34 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: yeah, you'll likely have to reinstall the essential packages one by one, then |
| 06:50.43 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: they're kind of odd things to actually reinstall |
| 06:50.58 | mib_cwjanj | nvm :) ty all\ |
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| 06:51.14 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: if you're using the Debian qmail packages, you can ask here... but honestly, I'd seriously recommend using a different MTA. |
| 06:51.40 | dondelelcaro | (if you're not using Debian's packaging of qmail, best to wait in qmail, or try to ask on a mailing list or similar) |
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| 06:52.04 | kittonian | not using the debian packages |
| 06:52.11 | kittonian | having an issue with qmail-smtpd |
| 06:52.33 | kittonian | the server is up and running but i've spent many hours trying to solve this issue and can't seem to get it working correctly |
| 06:52.34 | dondelelcaro | well, then you should wait for someone to answer in #qmail; if someone here knew a lot about qmail and used it, they'd be there |
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| 06:56.20 | dondelelcaro | (most people here probably use exim, postfix, or sendmail... if you had a question about one of those three, I could answer) |
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| 07:10.52 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: Reinstalled essentials manually - trying to reinstall the rest en masse gives E: Couldn't configure pre-depend debconf-2.0 for libpam-modules, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 07:12.17 | steven___ | anyone know of a way to test a firewall before putting it into production, anyone tried setting something up with port mirroring for instance? |
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| 07:13.24 | steven___ | i tried to set up a lab on my box to replicate live with vde and qemu but with 3 machines and the 6 interfaces involved it seems really buggy |
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| 07:17.10 | EmleyMoor | What ranks below "essential" in the packages? |
| 07:18.27 | steven___ | EmleyMoor: reccomended ? |
| 07:18.34 | xingu | quintissential? |
| 07:18.48 | xingu | s/tis/tes/ |
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| 07:36.59 | maxagaz | hi |
| 07:37.50 | maxagaz | i have logged on a distant machine via ssh, how can i run firefox on it, for the graphic session of the same user ? |
| 07:38.05 | maxagaz | s/for/on |
| 07:38.16 | EmleyMoor | maxagaz: You'd need X11 forwarding... |
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| 07:41.02 | maxagaz | EmleyMoor, i'm not sure that's what i need |
| 07:41.25 | maxagaz | i need to open firefox on a distant machine for the distant user of this machine |
| 07:41.36 | myst | maxagaz, do you want to start remote FF with window on your X? |
| 07:41.48 | maxagaz | myst, no |
| 07:42.14 | myst | maxagaz, then you need XDMCP session |
| 07:42.30 | maxagaz | myst, there's already an X session opened on the distant computer, i need to open firefox on it |
| 07:43.09 | maxagaz | myst, but i need to do it using a command line |
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| 07:44.26 | myst | $ /usr/bin/firefox |
| 07:44.57 | maxagaz | Error: no display specified |
| 07:45.08 | myst | sure ) |
| 07:45.31 | myst | how you plan to open FF in the console (ssh)? |
| 07:45.32 | bolt | any simple tool to extract part of an AVI file? (divx) |
| 07:45.54 | liable | bolt: avidemux is a simple editor |
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| 07:46.07 | maxagaz | myst, how to specify the display then ? |
| 07:46.41 | myst | it depends where you need FF window to open |
| 07:46.57 | bolt | liable: thanks, i'll give that one a shot |
| 07:47.20 | ronr_ | hi, my mailserver suddenly 'stopped' working last night, now I got it down to it probably being amavis, it should run at port 10024 and postfix should pass the mail through it, the logs look like it can't connect and neither can I (telnet localhost 10024). I can't find any error messages or something though, any clues? |
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| 07:48.24 | ronr_ | and all of a sudden, just as mysteriously as it stopped working it looks like it starts again :S |
| 07:48.42 | maxagaz | myst, i have a graphical session opened on the remote computer, i want to open firefox in it from where i am |
| 07:49.02 | liable | amavisd dies on me occasionally, oom-killer does it i think |
| 07:49.09 | liable | and postgrey |
| 07:49.55 | myst | maxagaz, then try $ export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 07:50.08 | myst | maxagaz, on remote machine |
| 07:50.44 | maxagaz | myst, it works! :D |
| 07:50.49 | maxagaz | myst, thanks a lot! |
| 07:51.27 | myst | maxagaz, np ) |
| 07:53.29 | maxagaz | myst, how to run it independantly from my terminal session, so that it won't close after exiting the ssh session ? |
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| 07:55.36 | Stargazers | maxagaz: Run it in screen? |
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| 07:56.09 | myst | maxagaz, you need to make it show on your local X instead remote X |
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| 07:57.22 | maxagaz | myst, how ? |
| 07:57.40 | Stargazers | ssh -X |
| 07:57.44 | pl4yer0ne | mmmm Stargazers is right run it ina screen session |
| 07:58.08 | Stargazers | maxagaz: Ever heard about GNU screen command? |
| 07:58.34 | maxagaz | Stargazers, yes, but just heard... i'm reading the manpages |
| 07:58.48 | maxagaz | Stargazers, i feel that i need this more and more |
| 07:58.50 | Stargazers | maxagaz: Start it using command "screen" |
| 07:58.56 | maxagaz | ok |
| 07:58.56 | myst | maxagaz, remote: export DISPLAY=<local IP>:0, local: xhost +<remote IP> |
| 07:58.58 | Stargazers | Then start your command in it |
| 07:59.22 | Stargazers | maxagaz: Then when app is running, press Ctrl + a + d in screen, so it will "deattach" your screen |
| 07:59.34 | Stargazers | Now if you close your connection to remote host, screen will be running still. |
| 07:59.44 | Stargazers | Screen can be viewed again with command "screen -rd" |
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| 08:01.29 | maxagaz | Stargazers, thanks! |
| 08:01.44 | Stargazers | maxagaz: No problem =) |
| 08:01.54 | Stargazers | Hope that helps. |
| 08:02.20 | Stargazers | maxagaz: But I really suggest that you will learn GNU screen usage even more, because it is suuuuuper great application \o/ |
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| 08:03.52 | maxagaz | Stargazers, a collegue of mine is also pushing me to use it ;) |
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| 08:04.23 | Stargazers | maxagaz: That is right :P I learnt to use screen basic very fast when I tried to learn linux, but "more features" I have learned much later. |
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| 08:04.26 | hashier | hej |
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| 08:04.52 | Stargazers | GNU screen just rocks. |
| 08:05.02 | maxagaz | Stargazers, i guess it's possible to use many screens ? |
| 08:05.07 | hashier | Does some kind of Delta/Patch packages exist for .deb? |
| 08:05.16 | Stargazers | maxagaz: Yese, but you can add many "windows" inside of that screen |
| 08:05.29 | Stargazers | maxagaz: Ctrl + a + c (when you are in screen) can create new screen "window" |
| 08:05.30 | hashier | Stargazers: I second that |
| 08:05.32 | Stargazers | Or "tab" |
| 08:05.56 | Stargazers | maxagaz: So then if you have many screen "windows", you can switch to another from another using Ctrl + a + n (or p for previous) |
| 08:06.07 | Stargazers | Or Ctrl + a + " to see a list of open screen windows. |
| 08:06.28 | hashier | Stargazers: Try this " caption always "%{= .b}%-Lw%{=b r}%50>%n%f*%t%{-}%+Lw%< %=%{= d}%c:%s %D %M %d, %Y %l" |
| 08:06.33 | hashier | in your .screenrc |
| 08:06.52 | Stargazers | hashier: I use hardstatus string '%{= R} UP %1` days / %l %{= k}[ %{B}%H %{g}][%= %{= w}%?%-Lw%?%{r}(%{W}%n*%f%t%?(%u)%?%{r})%{w}%?%+Lw%?%?%= %{g}][%{B} %d/%m %{W}%c %{g}]' |
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| 08:08.05 | Stargazers | hashier: It will show my uptime (my own script, eg. uptime + cut command to show it the way I want). |
| 08:08.11 | Stargazers | And also of course window name etc. |
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| 08:08.52 | hashier | Stargazers: I'm trying it out right now (: |
| 08:09.00 | hashier | Stargazers: just give mine a try |
| 08:09.03 | maxagaz | myst, i don't understand what means: xhost +<remote IP> |
| 08:09.09 | Stargazers | hashier: Surely. |
| 08:09.20 | hashier | You will have a nice list of your windows at the bottom |
| 08:09.51 | maxagaz | Stargazers, thanks for those tips, i just tested it and wrote it down :) |
| 08:09.52 | Stargazers | hashier: Yep :) Uptime wll require sript. |
| 08:09.57 | Stargazers | maxagaz: :) |
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| 08:10.54 | wsxws | hi all. how to set a mode on a path like this: drwxrwxrwt |
| 08:11.09 | Stargazers | wsxws: chmod 777 folder/ |
| 08:11.20 | Stargazers | But why you want to do that? |
| 08:11.24 | Stargazers | Can't set any other way? |
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| 08:12.48 | wsxws | there is a t at the end, not an x |
| 08:13.40 | Stargazers | Oh sorry, chmod +t folder/ |
| 08:13.51 | Stargazers | Didn't saw it first. |
| 08:14.01 | Stargazers | hashier: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/147492/ |
| 08:14.14 | Stargazers | There is whoel screenrc and showuptime.sh "script" |
| 08:14.14 | wsxws | thanks, that was the one i was looking for |
| 08:14.26 | Stargazers | No problem. |
| 08:14.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | wsxws, question remains - why do you want to do that? |
| 08:14.50 | hashier | For what is +t? |
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| 08:15.15 | Stargazers | hashier: Sticky bit |
| 08:15.37 | hashier | yeah, but 777 is w/o sticky |
| 08:15.39 | Stargazers | Eg. everybody can write to that folder (if drwxrwxrwx) but no one can override files what other user has made |
| 08:15.50 | hashier | 1777 is with sticky |
| 08:16.01 | hashier | ohh nevermind... |
| 08:16.06 | Stargazers | Well, yes. Didn't remembered that so it make same thing. |
| 08:16.40 | hashier | made the same mistagke. didn't see that he wanted the dir with sticky |
| 08:16.50 | Stargazers | hashier: :D |
| 08:17.02 | Stargazers | Well, then I am not the only one who reads things wrong. |
| 08:17.04 | Stargazers | Uhh oh :) |
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| 08:17.59 | hashier | wooop missing ' |
| 08:18.25 | hashier | should delete ==== My screen.rc from the .screenrc (: |
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| 08:18.49 | hashier | Stargazers: there is a missing ' quote |
| 08:18.50 | Stargazers | Yep. :) |
| 08:18.53 | Stargazers | Is there? |
| 08:18.56 | Stargazers | Oh, then copy paste error. |
| 08:19.06 | Stargazers | Sorry about it. |
| 08:19.14 | hashier | found it |
| 08:19.17 | hashier | the hardstatus line |
| 08:19.26 | hashier | i'll just copy it from here |
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| 08:19.37 | Stargazers | Right, show it seems. Hmmh... hope any chars are not missing. |
| 08:19.51 | Stargazers | Btw that "uptime" works only if you have uptime more than 1 day. |
| 08:20.00 | Stargazers | Little crappy but in my case good enough. |
| 08:20.08 | Stargazers | (Now 69 days). |
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| 08:20.35 | hashier | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.50 | Stargazers | My NAS has 120 days \o. :P |
| 08:20.53 | Stargazers | (With debian) |
| 08:21.13 | hashier | Stargazers: nice |
| 08:21.30 | Stargazers | Yep :P Buffalo LinkStation Live, 500GB. |
| 08:21.51 | hashier | nice < screenrc (: |
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| 08:21.58 | hashier | Stargazers: try this as PS1 $( ret=$? ; test $ret -gt 0 && echo "\[\e[41;93m\] [$ret] \[\e[0m\]" )\[\033[37;1m\][$(date +%H%M)]\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] |
| 08:22.10 | Stargazers | Let me see. |
| 08:22.14 | hashier | Find it nice to have the time and errorcode befor every cmd |
| 08:22.51 | hashier | so you can see how long things take without time and you see on one look wether everything went right |
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| 08:23.41 | hashier | Stargazers: oh my work workstation: 10:23am up 94 days 0:59, 6 users, load average: 0.44, 0.28, 0.25 |
| 08:23.42 | mario_ | hello! |
| 08:23.42 | Stargazers | So what is that [ ] before username? |
| 08:23.49 | Stargazers | mario_: Hello! |
| 08:24.00 | mario_ | i have problems removing a package: http://pastebin.com/d64d36056 |
| 08:24.03 | mario_ | how can i fix this? |
| 08:24.07 | hashier | Stargazers: the time |
| 08:24.20 | Stargazers | hashier: Ok then I have copy pasted it wrong :D |
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| 08:24.43 | Stargazers | hashier: \[\033[0;34m\]\t \[\033[1;37m\]\u\[\033[0;32m\]@\[\033[1;35m\]\h:\w\[\033[00m\]$ |
| 08:24.47 | Stargazers | I user that in one computer. |
| 08:24.53 | Stargazers | Almost every computer I have different. |
| 08:25.00 | Stargazers | So it easy to see what computer I am using. |
| 08:25.09 | Stargazers | Many times used wrong computer over ssh :D |
| 08:25.15 | hashier | I change the colour of the time on every machine |
| 08:25.22 | Stargazers | And thought that what-the-hell-why-scp-won't-work right :D |
| 08:25.38 | Stargazers | Yep. I also, time, username and hostna,e |
| 08:26.11 | hashier | Stargazers: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/147496/ |
| 08:26.41 | mario_ | anyone? |
| 08:27.01 | Stargazers | hashier: Oh, you use switch-case. hashier, you are genius! |
| 08:27.03 | ronr_ | hi, is it possible to create something (either with route or shorewall) that puts all port 80 traffic through 10.120.120.254 on eth0 and all other traffic (not in lan) over eth1's gateway? |
| 08:27.12 | Stargazers | I must use that stuff also in my own .bashrc also. |
| 08:27.21 | Stargazers | So I can copy-paste it in every computer- |
| 08:27.30 | Stargazers | Damn, why I haven't never thought that. |
| 08:27.42 | ronr_ | currently everything goes over eth1 btw and shorewall is used as firewall / NAT |
| 08:27.43 | Stargazers | So I can also add aliases in it depending on what computer I use :O |
| 08:27.48 | hashier | Stargazers: you have a different .bashrc on every pc? |
| 08:27.49 | Stargazers | Whoa! Perfect! |
| 08:28.02 | Stargazers | hashier: Yeah, and that is very VERY stupid way *shamed* |
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| 08:28.33 | Stargazers | I always add aliases depending on host, but never thought that I can add them in switch-case. |
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| 08:29.51 | Stargazers | hashier: But your way is excellent and when I am home again I will tune all my computers to that way \o/ |
| 08:29.59 | Stargazers | Thanks for a great tip! |
| 08:30.00 | hashier | Stargazers: I also have a script wich scps .screenrc .Xdefaults .bashrc .bash_profile .vim* to every pc i'm working on. and also makes a tar and uploads it to an apache machine, so i always can download a tar file with my bashrc and stuff |
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| 08:30.40 | Stargazers | hashier: I should do it also. Especially folder .vim |
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| 08:32.32 | maxagaz | Stargazers, it looks that nohup also does what i needed |
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| 08:33.38 | hashier | Stargazers: what do you think of my errorcode think at the beginning? |
| 08:34.04 | Stargazers | hashier: Well, it might be useful, depending on what you are doing :) |
| 08:34.24 | gihan | hello guys i had KDE installed in debian server after kernel upgrade its crashed. what should i do to make it work again |
| 08:34.35 | hashier | Stargazers: add defscrollback 10000 otherwise the scrollback is just 100 (i think) |
| 08:34.50 | Stargazers | hashier: Right. |
| 08:35.04 | Stargazers | Have to add it also. |
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| 08:35.34 | ronr_ | can I tell squid to route all port 80 traffic through a different interface / gateway maybe? |
| 08:36.29 | Stargazers | Lunch time o/ -> |
| 08:37.28 | maxagaz | when I try this command => ssh me@myclient "export DISPLAY=:0 ; nohup firefox &", I have to Ctrl+C to leave ssh, how to avoid this ? |
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| 08:43.52 | ronr_ | the shorewall example shows how to route traffic through squid running on the same machine, how do I route it through squid on a different machine? |
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| 08:52.09 | xingu | ronr_: if you want to peek into transport layer and then influence the rpdb you need to mark with iptables and policy-route using nfmark as tag/selector |
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| 08:53.54 | xingu | ronr_: I don't have a lab sufficient to give you a precanned response; there's a rather good reference to linux routing userspace here: http://www.policyrouting.org/PolicyRoutingBook/ONLINE/TOC.html |
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| 08:54.15 | ronr_ | xingu: thanks, I'll check that out |
| 08:54.55 | xingu | ronr_: nb, you'll need to work at it; cut/paste my first response and break it out into things to read up on until you understand it. |
| 08:55.03 | test555 | i have setup a debian box as a gateway i wanne block all traffic acept that i define that is good to go for an example if i set port 80 open they users are only allowd to brose the web but not connect to the internet with any other aplications witch proxy/firewall do i need to that any advice would be great |
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| 08:57.26 | liable | bah, what the hell are web sites using these days for video? half the shit doesnt work even with non-free flash installed! |
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| 09:07.32 | maxagaz | the '&' doesn't work in my ssh command line => ssh user@client "export DISPLAY=:0 ; nohup firefox &", why ? |
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| 09:09.09 | [1]Jigg | http://gfg04.mybrute.com ... coolest game ever lmao |
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| 09:12.23 | jelly | [1]Jigg: don't spam. |
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| 09:17.15 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:17.15 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 09:17.35 | [1]Jigg | sorry jelly :( |
| 09:18.01 | [1]Jigg | its fun if you play tho xD |
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| 09:19.10 | Pritler | is going to mix a strong coctail and think about configuring debian on my thinkpad... |
| 09:19.23 | Pritler | argh, on his* |
| 09:19.33 | liable | shouldnt need much |
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| 09:20.01 | Pritler | I've never used linux on laptop, so it's quite a bit like unexplored area for me |
| 09:20.13 | jelly | [1]Jigg: clickthru games are solely about money for the vendor; you usually get banned straight away |
| 09:20.41 | [1]Jigg | ah |
| 09:20.42 | liable | thinkpads are well supported, just getting suspend can be a pain depending on graphic chip |
| 09:20.48 | Pritler | ati |
| 09:20.52 | [1]Jigg | i was just havin fun wastin time :P |
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| 09:21.23 | liable | yes, ati blows. it made me give up a while back. but now its getting native support |
| 09:21.53 | maxagaz | how to give a user foo the permission to run the command 'reboot' ? |
| 09:22.05 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: sudo |
| 09:22.16 | liable | possibly adm group |
| 09:22.29 | Pritler | 37.5% rum with coke in the noon. I think I'm becoming an alcoholic :8 |
| 09:22.37 | OpenTokix | Pritler: yes |
| 09:22.38 | maxagaz | OpenTokix, what line to add in /etc/sudoers to do what I need ? |
| 09:22.49 | Pritler | ;; |
| 09:24.01 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: username ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/reboot |
| 09:24.20 | joltcan | damn, I was just typing that :) |
| 09:24.22 | Maior | Pritler: Iminngernaveersaartunngortussaavunga ;) |
| 09:24.45 | OpenTokix | joltcan: managmentskills eats your typingskills |
| 09:24.59 | joltcan | OpenTokix: oh noes! |
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| 09:25.47 | joltcan | OpenTokix: I sometimes miss managing those debian boxes, boho |
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| 09:26.01 | OpenTokix | joltcan: =) |
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| 09:28.55 | maxagaz | OpenTokix, thanks! |
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| 09:29.46 | maxagaz | Is this syntax correct ? => myuser myuser=NOPASSWD: shutdown -r now, shutdown -h now |
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| 09:30.29 | ktwilight_ | maxagaz, what are you trying to do? |
| 09:30.44 | maxagaz | in /etc/sudoers |
| 09:30.51 | ktwilight_ | you could combine shutdown -rh now |
| 09:30.51 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: no, didnt you say reboot? |
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| 09:33.19 | maxagaz | OpenTokix, what's the difference between reboot and shutdown -r now ? |
| 09:33.40 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: well, its a differnt command - and -r and now is switches, |
| 09:33.41 | maxagaz | OpenTokix, actually I want to grant the permission for two commands |
| 09:33.46 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: ok |
| 09:33.52 | OpenTokix | you can grant permission to shutdown |
| 09:33.59 | joltcan | maxagaz: You add the command to the sudoers file, not the switches |
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| 09:34.13 | joltcan | commands(s). And I think they are "," separated |
| 09:34.17 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: username ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown |
| 09:34.27 | joltcan | maxagaz: ...and the full path to the command (/sbin/reboot) |
| 09:34.32 | OpenTokix | just shutdown should be enough |
| 09:34.33 | maxagaz | ok |
| 09:34.41 | Metatron | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't doing what i expect...it only configures the keyboard, and does nothing for the video, leaving me with a 600x480 display, i cant do X -configure as my monitor is a tv that doesnt support the resoluiton needed to in terminal....is there another wizard? xorgcfg doesnt do anything |
| 09:35.10 | OpenTokix | reboot is just a symlink to halt |
| 09:35.13 | Metatron | this is lenny btw |
| 09:35.27 | Tarik | Hi |
| 09:35.29 | OpenTokix | joltcan: I am confused now =) |
| 09:38.51 | joltcan | maxagaz: btw, you should edit the sudo file with visudo to have locking and error checking |
| 09:38.54 | maxagaz | Like this ? => myuser myuser=NOPASSWD: "/sbin/reboot","/sbin/shutdown -h now" |
| 09:39.11 | maxagaz | joltcan, ok |
| 09:39.33 | wsxws | maxagaz maybe the following link will explain the difference of the commands to u: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2008/09/10/msg004532.html |
| 09:39.33 | maxagaz | joltcan, what are the switches ? |
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| 09:42.15 | maxagaz | joltcan, ok,then I think this is what i need: myuser myuser=NOPASSWD: "/sbin/reboot","/sbin/halt" |
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| 09:42.47 | gihan | hello how can i make KDE desktop default which have gnome and KDE |
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| 09:43.25 | joltcan | maxagaz: exactly |
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| 09:46.46 | Maior | bolt: wrap it in "s |
| 09:47.00 | Maior | GOAT="`pwd`" |
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| 09:51.27 | maxagaz | joltcan, OpenTokix, thanks |
| 09:51.35 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: yw |
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| 09:58.37 | maxagaz | joltcan, OpenTokix, if instead of a basic command i specify arguments, like "ln -fs /opt/foo /opt/bar", the user will be authorized to execute only this exact command, right ? |
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| 09:58.50 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: not that I know of |
| 09:59.15 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: I think sudo only let you give access to a command |
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| 09:59.25 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: you can always make a shellscript with the stuff you wann do, and then sudo that or suid-bit it? |
| 09:59.31 | Maior | uh |
| 09:59.36 | Maior | can't suid shell scripts, iirc |
| 09:59.39 | maxagaz | OpenTokix, good idea |
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| 10:00.43 | Cope | hullo - using the lenny installer, I can't seem to find the bit where I can set up partitioning for mdraid... do i need a different installer, or to pass some expert argument when I boot into it? |
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| 10:01.28 | OpenTokix | no you cant |
| 10:01.33 | OpenTokix | suidbit script |
| 10:01.47 | maxagaz | what can i do then ? |
| 10:01.51 | Cope | misread that, and blushed. |
| 10:02.00 | a-l-e | my sources.list looks like this: http://pastebin.ch/1174 ; can anybody help me to edit it in order to upgrade the system to testing? |
| 10:02.22 | OpenTokix | maxagaz: don't know right of the bat |
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| 10:08.59 | idimmu | is it true debian is moving away from meta packages, and if so, does anyone know why? |
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| 10:09.26 | ringo999 | i'm about to reformat my external harddrive to use for backup, what is a good file system to use? gparted for reformatting? |
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| 10:11.23 | micahf | hi, is there a way to upgrade dependencies for a specific package? |
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| 10:12.12 | micahf | I want to install the latest version of the package and the latest versions of all its dependencies |
| 10:12.26 | micahf | the -u flag only upgrades the package itself |
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| 10:13.15 | micahf | join #ubuntu |
| 10:13.17 | micahf | oops |
| 10:13.24 | micahf | I apologize for that |
| 10:13.28 | Gryflhase | I use debian on the 900A. How can I disable this suspend-button? |
| 10:13.45 | Gryflhase | (Fn - F1) |
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| 10:14.17 | micahf | what's the 900A? |
| 10:14.29 | Gryflhase | eeepc - version 900A |
| 10:15.08 | EmleyMoor | I will pqost a web page over the weekend that includes my "reinstall" notes - they may be useful |
| 10:16.04 | micahf | oh, nice, that thing is pretty cool |
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| 10:17.39 | Maior | hmm |
| 10:18.49 | Cope | so - do i need linux expert or something? I want to set up mdraid in the installer, but i seem only to be able to create ordinary filesystems. |
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| 10:20.44 | FilipeMaia | Cope, you can create raid in the installer |
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| 10:21.02 | FilipeMaia | Cope, at least with manual partitioning |
| 10:21.13 | FilipeMaia | Cope, you have to setup some volumes for raid |
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| 10:26.13 | osfd | qq'un sait si le package system.protection.surveillance.hadopi.certified-0.1PreAlpha.deb est pret pour Debian Lenny ? |
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| 10:27.30 | osfd | sorry this is an error |
| 10:28.02 | vipersniper | im getting this error -->/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 10:28.06 | vipersniper | how do i fix that |
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| 10:28.20 | Cope | FilipeMaia: sorry - just missed the step "type logical" |
| 10:28.35 | Cope | that feels like a new screen over/against etch |
| 10:28.38 | Cope | nm |
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| 10:34.47 | vipersniper | how do i fix the locales problem |
| 10:34.51 | vipersniper | any ideas |
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| 10:36.17 | [kapal] | vipersniper: got this one |
| 10:36.34 | [kapal] | vipersniper: can you be more specific how do you get this error? |
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| 10:37.34 | vipersniper | [kapal], i did an apatitude dist-upgrade http://pastebin.ca/1386975 |
| 10:38.24 | [kapal] | [kapal]: yes, i've had similar, and i wrote the solution somewere... let's see |
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| 10:39.45 | [kapal] | vipersniper: paste me your /etc/environment |
| 10:41.00 | [kapal] | vipersniper: aperently perl gets locale settings from /etc/environment first or sth like this, i cant remember, there was an issue with that |
| 10:41.26 | vipersniper | [kapal], http://pastebin.ca/1386983 |
| 10:41.40 | vipersniper | thats all thats in the enviroment |
| 10:44.03 | [kapal] | vipersniper: hmmm i've had different locale and /etc/environment settings, in your case i guess it is a different issue :/ |
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| 10:44.33 | [kapal] | vipersniper: what is your locale output anyways? |
| 10:44.55 | vipersniper | [kapal], how do i get that |
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| 10:45.29 | [kapal] | type locale command |
| 10:46.29 | vipersniper | [kapal], http://pastebin.ca/1386987 |
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| 10:48.09 | [kapal] | I guess your locales arent generated properly |
| 10:48.42 | vipersniper | [kapal], how do i generate them properly |
| 10:49.14 | [kapal] | try issuing(as root, or sudo): dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 10:49.38 | [kapal] | then pick your locale in your case i guess en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 10:49.57 | [kapal] | it should regenerate your locales then |
| 10:50.53 | [kapal] | then try issuing locale again, to see what it yields |
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| 10:58.12 | vipersniper | [kapal], nope still not working |
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| 10:59.14 | scientes | http://wiki.debian.org/LzmaDeb |
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| 11:02.47 | Cope | having done a basic debian install, I get a gnome environment. My user wants kde - what's the best way to get that? Is there a meta-package I can install that brings it all in? And will the user get the choice of kde and gnome at login? |
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| 11:05.46 | oxi | hi |
| 11:05.55 | [kapal] | vipersniper: do you have localepurge installed? Maybe that is the issue... just a wildshot really, im out of ideas... |
| 11:06.19 | oxi | a folder can have several owners, right? |
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| 11:07.03 | [kapal] | oxi: no, just one owner and one group in regular *nix system |
| 11:07.19 | oxi | kapal: ok, I see |
| 11:07.26 | Maior | acls ftw |
| 11:07.44 | Shtl | Hello all, can any one give me torrent file for debian-5.0 for destkop usage please? |
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| 11:08.22 | grirgz | hi |
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| 11:09.09 | grirgz | i'm on debian sid and dbus seem broken, for example kopete says kopete(7241): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server and firefox complain about Option `--close-stderr' is unknown. do you know how to fix this ? |
| 11:09.39 | vipersniper | [kapal], i don't have that installed |
| 11:09.51 | vipersniper | [kapal], should i install it |
| 11:10.06 | [kapal] | vipersniper: obviously for locale some files are missing, or in unknown location |
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| 11:10.59 | [kapal] | vipersniper: no if you have enough space there is no need to install localepurge - it deletes unesscessary locale files, but afaik it has some issues... |
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| 11:13.11 | ronr | one of my servers suddenly doesn't allow me to sudo su or just su anymore, it looks like many many files are now owner by id 0, any clues? |
| 11:14.27 | ronr | root has id -1 in /etc/passwd looks like |
| 11:14.45 | ronr | but I don't seem to have any means to change that back as I can't logon as root |
| 11:15.10 | [kapal] | ronr: really strange, is it possible this server has been hijacked? |
| 11:15.24 | vipersniper | [kapal], i installed localepurge ran it, and the error is gone |
| 11:15.43 | [kapal] | vipersniper: interesting |
| 11:15.53 | vipersniper | yes |
| 11:15.59 | [kapal] | maybe it fixed your issue somehow.. |
| 11:16.11 | vipersniper | i think so |
| 11:16.13 | ronr | [kapal]: that's pretty much all I can think of |
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| 11:16.50 | vipersniper | [kapal], now, my other issue |
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| 11:16.55 | vipersniper | vsftpd |
| 11:17.09 | vipersniper | :) |
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| 11:19.20 | vipersniper | [kapal], when is issue a restart command for vsftpd /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 11:19.21 | vipersniper | Restarting FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
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| 11:20.36 | vipersniper | etc/init.d/vsftpd start |
| 11:20.36 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.43 | vipersniper | but its not running |
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| 11:25.44 | DustyDingo | hm, i fail to do spellcheck in openoffice |
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| 11:26.07 | DustyDingo | i installed openoffice.org-l10n-de and myspell-de-at but it won't do any checking |
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| 11:26.58 | DustyDingo | i open up the spellcheck dialog, "continue at begin of document?" "spellcheck completed" dialog is closed |
| 11:27.02 | DustyDingo | that's all there is to ti |
| 11:27.06 | asdalak | hi, i have problems decompressing my compressed file -> home.tar.gz .. what are my options? it gives me gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated error. |
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| 11:28.29 | tralala | asdalak, file home.tar.gz |
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| 11:28.50 | asdalak | tralala: home.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Thu Apr 9 07:52:47 2009 |
| 11:29.09 | tralala | hmm |
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| 11:29.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | asdalak, what command did you run? |
| 11:29.37 | asdalak | I'm using "tar zxvf home.tar.gz" to decompress it |
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| 11:30.32 | [kapal] | asdalak: maybe try only ungzipping it first |
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| 11:31.20 | g00se | What's the best strategy for getting Flash playable in Iceweasel? |
| 11:31.24 | [kapal] | asdalak: or might it be, that the file is corrupted? |
| 11:31.37 | Stargazers | g00se: I installed Deb |
| 11:31.43 | Stargazers | g00se: From adobe site. |
| 11:31.48 | Stargazers | What was created for ubuntu. |
| 11:31.52 | Stargazers | Worked fine on me. |
| 11:32.18 | asdalak | I guess it's corrupted, because it extracts few files and then gets tar: Skipping to next header |
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| 11:32.35 | g00se | Stargazers: Thanks. Wondering if there's a more debianesque way of doing it? |
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| 11:33.14 | Stargazers | Well, dunno. |
| 11:33.48 | jehan | hi! my fonts are crippled in kde4 debian unstable |
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| 11:34.06 | jehan | see: http://jens.gis.de/screenshot11.png |
| 11:34.21 | jehan | the only font that works is "Terminus" |
| 11:34.33 | Eulex | jehan, did you take a look in the bts? |
| 11:34.49 | jehan | bts? |
| 11:34.56 | Eulex | !btssmite jehan |
| 11:34.56 | dpkg | beats jehan around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if jehan is running testing or unstable |
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| 11:35.20 | [kapal] | g00se: you might want to add debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list file, do an apt-get update and try to install adobe-flashplugin, but i dont know if there is the last version. For me downloading deb directly from adobe site is preffered... |
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| 11:37.27 | g00se | Stargazers: (and kapal) Did you think of adding the Ubuntu repository where that came from to apt? |
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| 11:38.07 | Stargazers | Uh, I personally didn't |
| 11:38.16 | [kapal] | g00se: for some reasons NO |
| 11:38.18 | Stargazers | I just downloaded a deb. I want manually upload it. |
| 11:38.34 | vipersniper | how do i check that vsftpd is running |
| 11:38.56 | [kapal] | vipersniper: ps -ef|grep vsftpd |
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| 11:39.11 | g00se | (One wouldn't get updates (security and patch) otherwise of course |
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| 11:40.00 | [kapal] | g00se: true, i'm using debian-multimedia instead for such a things, just dont remember where i got flash player from :) |
| 11:40.07 | vipersniper | [kapal], root 7274 2281 0 07:31 pts/0 00:00:00 grep vsftpd |
| 11:40.17 | vipersniper | thats what that command says |
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| 11:40.25 | [kapal] | vipersniper: so it isn't running |
| 11:40.30 | pimpa | ciao |
| 11:40.59 | vipersniper | [kapal], where would i look to find out why its not starting |
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| 11:41.34 | [kapal] | vipersniper: try doing: tail /var/log/syslog after /etc/ini.d/vsftpd start, to see why it doesn't start |
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| 11:42.41 | g00se | Thanks guys. I need it now, so i too will use U deb and then firm up apt later |
| 11:42.47 | [kapal] | vipersniper: most daemons write their output to syslog, always read /var/log/syslog whenever you dont know why service isn't starting or sth with it is wrong |
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| 11:47.19 | vipersniper | [kapal], nothing in the syslog |
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| 11:51.53 | [kapal] | vipersniper: i don't know much about vsftpd, but most services in debian are disabled by default after installation, try looking to /etc/default to see if there is a file for vsftpd, maybe you have to edit the file to enable the service |
| 11:53.37 | [kapal] | vipersniper: lastly try googling, or debian-administration.org to find a tutorial how to install vsftpd on debian, i guess there is a plenty of such tutorials on the net |
| 11:54.11 | vipersniper | [kapal], it was working until i did the dist-upgrade :) |
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| 11:55.11 | [kapal] | vipersniper: :) what exactly was dist-upgraded? vsftpd? |
| 11:55.31 | vipersniper | yes |
| 11:55.40 | vipersniper | new version |
| 11:56.44 | D4T | hi chaps, how much faster (CPU and I/O wise) is a 64bit build vs 32bit ? Is there a rough percentage? |
| 11:58.00 | [kapal] | vipersniper: lately, after i distupgraded my testing system inetd was removed, maybe thats the issue, correct me if im wrong isn't vsftpd started by inetd? |
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| 11:58.21 | [kapal] | vipersniper: i've just read this: http://linux.die.net/man/8/vsftpd |
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| 11:58.34 | mihairu | hi guys...is possible to install debian 5.0 to ext4? |
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| 11:59.05 | [kapal] | vipersniper: how is your vsftpd started? standalone or inetd? |
| 12:00.11 | vipersniper | standalone |
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| 12:02.50 | [kapal] | vipersniper: try reading the manual for man 5 vsftpd.conf, log for the daemon goes to /var/log/vsftpd.log, try looking in that file for reason why it isnt working, or if you've defined vsftpd_log_file variable in your vsftpd.conf file to other location try looking there... |
| 12:02.54 | brutus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:03.27 | [kapal] | vipersniper: maybe sth with the configuration after dist-upgrade is wrong... look into the config file also |
| 12:03.34 | dfs | i wanna make a raid of backup,,, |
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| 12:03.48 | remoteCTR1 | hi all! |
| 12:03.58 | remoteCTR1 | can it be that lenny still cannot write ntfs? |
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| 12:04.37 | [kapal] | remoteCTR1: no, i think it can. |
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| 12:05.39 | remoteCTR1 | [kapal]: not natively i think you need to install ntfs-3g and ntfs-3g31... |
| 12:05.50 | [kapal] | remoteCTR1: there is also a package called ntfs-3g, that does it well |
| 12:05.55 | [kapal] | remoteCTR1: true |
| 12:05.58 | [kapal] | :) |
| 12:06.03 | remoteCTR1 | hehe thanks |
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| 12:08.36 | mihairu | hi guys...is possible to install debian 5.0 to ext4? |
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| 12:11.03 | [kapal] | mihairu: why do you want to do that, testing purposes, i don't think that ext4 is that stable? |
| 12:11.11 | [kapal] | guys, what do you think? |
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| 12:17.09 | J_P | hi all |
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| 12:17.38 | J_P | What is package Tha I need install to when I push button to down PC it automacatlly down ? |
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| 12:19.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh no. debian live doesnt even ship an ssh client. |
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| 12:19.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | goodbye debian-live for rescue purposes :| |
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| 12:21.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | and no rsync. christ. |
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| 12:28.34 | vipersniper | [kapal], thanks for your help |
| 12:28.44 | vipersniper | got everything sorted out |
| 12:28.50 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: it's called debian-live, not debian-live-and-usable! |
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| 12:29.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly, hehe. I'm afraid i'm used to Debian having the 'and usable' by default ;) |
| 12:30.16 | jelly | they'll get it right... eventually |
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| 12:30.26 | jelly | !grml |
| 12:30.27 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/, #grml @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:31.15 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: that thing has all sorts of utilities and comes in three different sizes |
| 12:32.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly, interesting. i'll check it out. |
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| 12:35.34 | dfs | hola como estan |
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| 12:37.50 | dfs | nadie |
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| 12:40.43 | _pwr_ | Hello! |
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| 12:41.09 | _pwr_ | Nice to see so many debianians here :) |
| 12:41.28 | Umren | hi |
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| 12:43.25 | _pwr_ | My ISP shapes traffic when we are using debian router. When we put Cisco - everything works perfect. Can anybody help: how can I make my debian router to tell that it is Cisco router instead? |
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| 12:43.43 | _pwr_ | PS: debian etch or lenny |
| 12:43.56 | ranix | discrimination |
| 12:44.00 | ranix | racism |
| 12:44.06 | ranix | call the lawyers |
| 12:44.09 | _pwr_ | yep, exactly :( |
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| 12:45.03 | _pwr_ | we have no proofs, yet ... i want to put debian and make it looks like Cisco |
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| 12:45.51 | _pwr_ | Anybody have experiance with OS Finferprinting spoofing? |
| 12:46.38 | jeeger | Hm, I doubt you can readily change the characteristics of your tcp/ip stack |
| 12:47.02 | Maior | I had a kernel module that did so |
| 12:47.08 | _pwr_ | Cisco 28XX works like a charm, Debian etch 4.0 - the download speed slows down from 10Mbit/s to 0,5Mbit/s in 10 seconds when we put Debian instead!! |
| 12:47.09 | Maior | aages ago, for 2.4.something |
| 12:47.09 | jeeger | cool |
| 12:47.19 | Maior | was disgusting, but cool |
| 12:47.37 | _pwr_ | kernel 2.6.x, IMHO |
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| 12:47.54 | jeeger | _pwr_: Put the debian router behind the cisco and configure the cisco as a switch (or similar) |
| 12:48.01 | liable | you sure its not a bottleneck in your debian box somewhere? |
| 12:48.41 | _pwr_ | no - we have configures it several times from the scratch |
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| 12:49.36 | scx | hello |
| 12:49.44 | McNulty | I've got a Lenny/Sid webserver that doesn't run an X server. I want to use a third-party HTML->PDF binary but it complains X isn't running. What downsides would there be for the server running an X server? |
| 12:49.45 | scx | i have somme problem with packages |
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| 12:49.55 | _pwr_ | Yes - in this case everything works - but we don't need 2 routers, we have bought a new one, silent box with CF 4Gb HDD, instaleld debian on it, and ... |
| 12:49.55 | Sertse | hiya |
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| 12:50.43 | scx | is it possible, to set apt-pinning by orgin and release (both)? |
| 12:50.49 | scx | for example: |
| 12:50.51 | scx | Package: * |
| 12:50.52 | scx | Pin: origin marillat.free.fr release a=testing |
| 12:50.53 | scx | Pin-Priority: 600 |
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| 12:51.55 | scx | is it correct (line with Pin)? |
| 12:54.56 | jelly | pinning is weird. |
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| 12:55.03 | jelly | !pinning |
| 12:55.04 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 12:55.22 | jelly | scx: the bugs link might be helpful. |
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| 12:56.11 | scx | thx |
| 12:56.15 | jelly | scx: don't assume a combo not explicitely mentioned in the manual would work |
| 12:56.16 | scx | i use testing |
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| 13:04.53 | _pwr_ | Has anybody of you patched debian 2.6.x kernel for different OS Fingerprint? |
| 13:05.34 | _pwr_ | or. may-be, there are any kernel modules for the same reason!!? |
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| 13:05.53 | _pwr_ | help me, plz. /// |
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| 13:06.52 | jelly | _pwr_: kernel network performance doesn't really sound like a Debian specific issue. Have you tried ##kernel, or #networking? |
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| 13:07.19 | Geek`N`Proud | jelly: I think he means to hide the fact he's using Debian from software like nmap |
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| 13:08.44 | tlx | hi |
| 13:09.23 | jelly | Geek`N`Proud: I don't think an active or passive network fingerprintscanner can figure out the "Debian" part solely from the kernel. |
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| 13:10.32 | a_l_e | i've just upgraded my system from "eeepc" lenny to testing and now i have to manually set the dns server to let firefox, wget and irssi resolve the names... |
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| 13:11.01 | a_l_e | if i let the dns server empty (and i let resolve them by the router), a timeout occurs... |
| 13:11.03 | a_l_e | any idea? |
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| 13:11.49 | _pwr_ | jelly: thank you for the hint! |
| 13:11.50 | tlx | no idea, sorry. |
| 13:11.59 | jelly | !any idea |
| 13:12.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid goats. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 13:12.26 | Maior | hahahaha |
| 13:12.36 | _pwr_ | Geek`N`Proud: Yep, exactly, to hide the fact, i'm using Debian on the router |
| 13:12.38 | cga | hi all |
| 13:12.44 | tlx | hihi |
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| 13:13.29 | a_l_e | if i let the dns server empty (and i let resolve them by the router), a timeout occurs... can anybody help me solve this problem? |
| 13:13.56 | tlx | its not a problem if you supply dns servers just once and everything works from there on |
| 13:14.08 | petemc | a_l_e: what does the the dns server empty mean? it sounds like your routers dns funtion isnt working |
| 13:14.30 | _pwr_ | \join #kernel |
| 13:14.34 | Geek`N`Proud | _pwr_: one of two ways.. you can patch the TCP/IP stack to not respond to packets on closed ports, and disable ping replies and timestamps - or have iptables mangle timestamps, DROP incoming packets and such |
| 13:14.39 | a_l_e | petemc: the router was correclty working when i was using lenny instead of testing and is still working on my ubuntu box. |
| 13:14.40 | _pwr_ | ops... :) |
| 13:15.05 | a_l_e | and it was also working on the same computer before upgrading to testing. |
| 13:15.32 | petemc | a_l_e: in /etc/resolv.conf , you have "nameserver ip_of_router" ? |
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| 13:16.23 | a_l_e | no, now i have the two dns servers.... but i can try to reset the connection... |
| 13:16.35 | jpinx | a_l_e: ah - the new router changed things? -forget debian testing for a minute - that can be a serious red-herring - run debian stable and swap routers and see the results |
| 13:17.00 | a_l_e | jpinx: it was working with the same router as now |
| 13:17.13 | a_l_e | i've changed the router 3 weeks ago. i upgraded today |
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| 13:17.39 | jpalecek | hi all, in dpkg-dev sources, I've seen code that handles "dpkg-query --search file" returning two or more packages like this "pkg1, pkg2: file". When does this actually happen? |
| 13:17.52 | jpinx | a_l_e: can you confirm the dns settings in the router? |
| 13:17.53 | _pwr_ | Geek`N`Proud: yes, thank you for the hints. I thins ISP is using some kind of "passive os fingerprinting" software - like p0f. This software tells the OS, it originates from . besed on each packet, that leaves the system |
| 13:18.10 | a_l_e | i've copied the dns servers from the router to my box and it worked then. |
| 13:18.13 | tlx | you mean to say there is a special debian for eepcs ? |
| 13:18.15 | jpinx | a_l_e: they might not be persistent |
| 13:18.21 | tlx | did i read that right? |
| 13:18.32 | Geek`N`Proud | _pwr_: in that case, turn off the timestamps and such |
| 13:18.32 | petemc | jpinx: dns servers tend to be fairly persistent |
| 13:18.37 | jpinx | tlx: not really, just a tailored version |
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| 13:18.51 | Geek`N`Proud | _pwr_: that usually messes with fingerprinting |
| 13:18.54 | tlx | jpinx: okay, tailored. |
| 13:19.00 | jpinx | petemc: no - I mean his router might be losing it's settings |
| 13:19.10 | liable | tlx: no, its just a repository thats getting smaller as mainline support gets better, and an installer thats makes life a little easier |
| 13:19.12 | a_l_e | i've reset the (wired) connection, and now the router (192.168.1.1) is the only line in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:19.37 | rhineheart_m | how to untar.. tar.bz2? I tried tar xvzf *.tar.bz2 but it says no in gzip format |
| 13:19.44 | tlx | does it do nice theme scaling for your tiny screenby chance?Å |
| 13:19.50 | jpinx | petemc: I had that trouble with an ISP-supplied router once - it kept reverting to the ISP's nameservers which were crap |
| 13:20.02 | liable | tlx: no |
| 13:20.08 | jpalecek | rhineheart_m: tar xjf $file |
| 13:20.12 | liable | thats an ongoing problem |
| 13:20.13 | _pwr_ | Geek`N`Proud: Yes, but that ISP checks the traffic for "OS=Cisco XXXX" and then gives it the highest priority, everything else - throttles |
| 13:20.16 | tlx | liable: then i dont need it. although i would love to have a smaller theme. |
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| 13:20.29 | jpinx | tlx: that's something you can tackle in your desktop settings |
| 13:20.42 | tlx | not that i am using an eepc. i would never admit to such a thing but i like extra screen realestate |
| 13:20.50 | a_l_e | petemc: now i have the same /etc/resolv.conf on two computers... (just 192.168.1.1): on the one (ubuntu 8.04) it works normally, on the other (debian testing) i don't have any name resolving |
| 13:20.54 | jpinx | has lxde configured for the small screen |
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| 13:21.45 | a_l_e | has wmii which does magic on a small screen |
| 13:21.52 | Geek`N`Proud | _pwr_: http://nmap.org/book/osdetect.html <-- maybe modify the kernel based on the ideas from that |
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| 13:23.07 | McNulty | How do I find out which version of Qt is installed (via CLI)? |
| 13:23.51 | a_l_e | so, i have to computers which are very similar and have similar configuration: the one (with ubuntu) gets its names resolved, the other (debian testing) does not... and the one with debian resolved correctly until two hours ago with lenny |
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| 13:24.27 | jpinx | a_l_e: sounds like testing has broken something on you;) |
| 13:24.34 | jpinx | the joys of using testing ;) |
| 13:24.36 | _pwr_ | Geek`N`Proud: Thanks again!! PS: i'm not a programmer - i'm afraid that i won't be able to make such modifications to the kernel |
| 13:24.39 | tlx | yeah. security by obscurity works great |
| 13:25.08 | Maior | Geek`N`Proud: yep, that was roughly what this module did |
| 13:25.20 | Geek`N`Proud | tlx: it's not about security in this instance though =p |
| 13:25.28 | Geek`N`Proud | Maior: ah right |
| 13:26.23 | a_l_e | jpinx: i don't think that it's simply a testing error... i experienced a similar situation with an older ubuntu on the old router... |
| 13:26.29 | jpinx | a_l_e: what desktop are you using with wmii ? |
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| 13:26.58 | a_l_e | i only use the window manager without desktop on the eeepc. |
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| 13:28.21 | a_l_e | jpinx: but i've thought about installing lxde, so that other people can also use the laptop... |
| 13:28.29 | tlx | dwd |
| 13:28.29 | tlx | lag |
| 13:28.29 | tlx | ping me |
| 13:28.29 | tlx | i mean, just pong me >;) |
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| 13:30.11 | ranix | test |
| 13:30.12 | ranix | foo |
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| 13:31.58 | jelly | a_l_e: please run strace -s100 -ff -o /tmp/lookup.log getent hosts google.com, then pastebin the resulting /tmp/lookup.log* file(s) |
| 13:32.21 | jelly | a_l_e: before that, confirm that running "getent hosts google.com" doesn't work |
| 13:32.53 | jelly | a_l_e: also pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 13:33.15 | jelly | (fourth line!) |
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| 13:35.35 | a_l_e | jelly: "getent hosts google.com" does work... but i can't get to google.com with iceweasel |
| 13:35.51 | a_l_e | nor can i wget google.com |
| 13:36.02 | a_l_e | ping google.com also works |
| 13:36.24 | ranix | a_l_e: sounds like you have trouble getting http out |
| 13:36.29 | ranix | a_l_e: can you ssh out or ftp? |
| 13:36.44 | [kapal] | a_i_e: do you have firewall, or other way 80 (www) port blocked? |
| 13:36.48 | a_l_e | ftp works |
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| 13:36.58 | a_l_e | i don't normally have any firewall... |
| 13:37.00 | ranix | a_l_e: sounds like a firewall or port 80 is otherwise mangled |
| 13:37.18 | jelly | a_l_e: wget -d http://google.com/ 2> wget.log, and show the wget.log file |
| 13:37.21 | a_l_e | imap doesn't work either |
| 13:37.46 | [kapal] | a_l_e: try doing nmap google.com |
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| 13:37.54 | a_l_e | irc either |
| 13:37.55 | jelly | a_l_e: this means you don't have a DNS issue, but a different network issue. |
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| 13:38.41 | [kapal] | a_i_e: i think you have some ports filtered on your gateway, or your box |
| 13:38.57 | a_l_e | jeef: result of wget 2> ... |
| 13:39.06 | jelly | poor jeef. |
| 13:39.14 | a_l_e | Resolving www.google.com... failed: Name or sevice not known. |
| 13:39.16 | JyZyXEL | jelly | pastebinit? ;) |
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| 13:39.28 | a_l_e | wget: unable to resolve host address `www.google.com' |
| 13:39.36 | Cope | what governs the max width of xrandr? |
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| 13:39.47 | Cope | I have 2 monitors which can do 1600 x 1200 |
| 13:39.50 | [kapal] | Cope: xorg.conf |
| 13:40.03 | Cope | [kapal]: ah ok |
| 13:40.04 | jelly | a_l_e: does "getent hosts www.google.com" work? |
| 13:40.22 | a_l_e | jelly: yes |
| 13:40.35 | Cope | [kapal]: what about this: |
| 13:40.37 | Cope | david@blackbird:~$ xrandr | grep max |
| 13:40.37 | Cope | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 600, maximum 1680 x 1680 |
| 13:40.40 | jelly | a_l_e: what do you get as output? |
| 13:40.51 | Cope | I've set a virtual display in xorg.conf |
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| 13:41.57 | jelly | Cope: in section device? |
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| 13:42.08 | a-l-e | jelly: i get three lines like 74.125.43.147 www.l.google.com www.google.com |
| 13:42.17 | jelly | Cope: a line like "Virtual 3200 1200"? |
| 13:42.19 | a-l-e | (4 such lines) |
| 13:42.33 | jelly | a-l-e: pastebin that wget.log file. |
| 13:43.29 | jelly | Cope: sorry, section "screen", subsection "display" |
| 13:44.39 | jelly | Cope: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 13:45.58 | a_l_e | [kapal]: here is the output of nmap: http://pastebin.ch/1176 |
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| 13:47.02 | Cope | jelly: yeah I read that - I gained the impression that xrandr specified the max dimensions |
| 13:47.19 | a_l_e | jelly: http://pastebin.ch/1177 |
| 13:47.21 | [kapal] | a_i_: now that is strange, your www seems to be open, do you have some kind of proxy between you and google? |
| 13:47.32 | Cope | ie when I first ran xrandr, it said max was 1680 x 1680 |
| 13:47.35 | a_l_e | normally i shouldn't no. |
| 13:47.42 | Cope | so I set those in xorg.conf |
| 13:47.55 | Cope | i've now increased the values in xorg.conf |
| 13:47.57 | [kapal] | a_i_e: you cold've problems with resolver |
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| 13:48.02 | Cope | and have 2 x 1600 x 1200 screens |
| 13:48.16 | amgarching | did you ever setup a login shell in chroot jail? Is it feasible to leave only one "ssh" command available under chroot? |
| 13:48.23 | jelly | Cope: that Virtual line seems to be needed to force any value over the max(height or width of any of connected output devices) |
| 13:48.29 | Cope | however, when I right click on the right-most screen, the menu appears on the left |
| 13:48.45 | a_l_e | [kapal]: problems with resolver? |
| 13:48.45 | Cope | is tehre a way to make the menu appear on the right hand screen? |
| 13:49.13 | [kapal] | a_i_e: just a wild shot |
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| 13:49.41 | jelly | Cope: that probably depends on your desktop environment configuration |
| 13:50.02 | imax47 | hi all ;) |
| 13:50.08 | a_l_e | [kapal]: what you mean with "problem with resolver"? |
| 13:50.38 | jelly | Cope: eg. xfce in lenny doesn't really handle multiple heads well |
| 13:50.44 | Cope | I couldn't get xrandr to do what I wanted on the cli, but grandr did it perfectly |
| 13:50.47 | imax47 | someone can help me with problem [with ./configure] ? ;/ |
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| 13:51.08 | Cope | however, i'm not sure what it's done, so I can make the change permanent in xorg.conf |
| 13:51.11 | Cope | any ideas? |
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| 13:52.47 | a-l-e | test |
| 13:52.51 | [kapal] | a_i_e: afaik there is a resolvconf package which manages domain name resolving... i dont know if its your issue |
| 13:53.00 | imax47 | so ... someone can help me with upg. pvpgn from 1.8.2 to 1.8.5 ? i have an error when i try to ./configure |
| 13:53.19 | imax47 | and i didnt know how to repair it; / |
| 13:53.26 | doudou | Hi, i see in the log of iptables that my computer always ask for some dns name, it send udp port 53, how do i know why, it should not do that because it send only to same net than itself |
| 13:53.28 | [kapal] | a_i_e: but if other services work based on dns... that shouldnt be this... |
| 13:53.42 | stew | imax47: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 13:54.07 | a-l-e | retest |
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| 13:54.29 | a_l_e | now it's really only http (or :80) that is not wokring |
| 13:54.32 | jelly | imax47: an "apt-get build-dep pvpgn" might help if it complains of missing libraries |
| 13:54.47 | imax47 | w8 i try to do it ;) |
| 13:54.49 | [kapal] | a-i-e: what telnet google.com 80 yeilds? |
| 13:54.56 | jelly | imax47: do what stew said first |
| 13:55.22 | doudou | i found man resolv.conf |
| 13:55.45 | a_l_e | [kapal]: could not resolve |
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| 13:56.10 | stuckey | Hello |
| 13:56.26 | [kapal] | a_i_e: have you tried other host apart of google.com? |
| 13:56.28 | stuckey | I'm trying to install NVIDIA drivers but I'm not exactly sure how---Could someone please offer some help? |
| 13:56.49 | a_l_e | [kapal]: yep |
| 13:56.56 | imax47 | ehh i have errors: 404 Not Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] |
| 13:56.56 | imax47 | Pob: 7 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libpq-dev 8.1.11-0etch1 [342kB] |
| 13:57.21 | a_l_e | [kapal]: and i can get into the admin console of the router (ip based: 192.168.1.1) |
| 13:57.34 | [kapal] | a_i_e: what about nslookup google.com, or dig google.com? |
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| 13:58.31 | Cope | dpkg: tell stuckey about nvidia |
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| 13:58.55 | jpinx | a_l_e: you have 2 boxes connected to the router, can you see the other one from the "bad" one? |
| 13:59.01 | stuckey | Cope: I can't use that, I need the drivers from Sid. |
| 13:59.16 | stuckey | So I have to donwload them and build-dep or something similar, and then use something called m-a... |
| 13:59.24 | stuckey | Someone told me this but I'm not sure how exactly it is to be done. |
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| 13:59.48 | a_l_e | jpinx: i can log into the router web console from the bad one |
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| 14:00.02 | a_l_e | and i can ping google |
| 14:00.20 | a_l_e | and if i manually set /etc/resolv.conf everything is ok |
| 14:00.20 | Cope | dpkg: tell stuckey about nvidia m-a |
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| 14:00.40 | stuckey | Cope: okay good, but how do I get drivers from Sid? |
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| 14:00.51 | jpinx | a_l_e: so set it manually - what is the problem? |
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| 14:00.54 | [kapal] | a_i_e: you have dhcp misconfigured on the gateway |
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| 14:01.22 | imax47 | someone know how to update pvpgn from 1.8.2 to 1.8.5 ? ;( |
| 14:01.23 | Cope | dpkg: tell stuckey about simple sid backport |
| 14:01.43 | Cope | stuckey: are you getting the message that these are *very* frequently asked questions? |
| 14:01.51 | a-l-e | jpinx: the problem is, that i want to get my "internet" to work just by putting the ethernet cable in the computer (it's a laptop, so i can't always use the same dns servers) |
| 14:02.02 | a-l-e | jpinx: and i want it work correctly :-) |
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| 14:02.50 | a-l-e | [kapal]: http://pastebin.ch/1179 |
| 14:03.18 | [kapal] | a-l-e: obvoiusly you have dns resolving problem |
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| 14:03.22 | a-l-e | here are the results of nslookup and dig |
| 14:03.53 | a-l-e | [kapal]: well, now: why does it only hurt irc and http, but not ping and ftp? |
| 14:04.12 | [kapal] | a-l-e: strange, but |
| 14:04.26 | [kapal] | a-i-e: your gateway (192.168.1.1) which is set as your base(only) dns server doesn't know anything about google |
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| 14:04.39 | Cope | ok... horrid hacky question: |
| 14:04.43 | stuckey | Cope: do you know what the package names are that I have to install? All of them from nvidia? |
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| 14:04.50 | a-l-e | no, now irc still works... |
| 14:04.51 | stuckey | Cope: and yes I am getting the idea that this is something frequently asked. |
| 14:05.06 | [kapal] | a-l-e: same box? |
| 14:05.47 | Cope | Is it possible (not necessarily advised) to change architecture? from i386 to amd64, without a reinstall? |
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| 14:06.08 | liable | nope |
| 14:06.11 | a-l-e | a_l_e is on the ubuntu box and a-l-e is here in debian... now with resolv.conf as 192.168.1.1 (i have to switch to the manually set resolv.conf to use the pastebin...) |
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| 14:07.12 | imax47 | someone know why i have thats errors when i want to make ? "The configure script is out of date; rebuilding... |
| 14:07.12 | imax47 | cd . && autoconf |
| 14:07.12 | imax47 | /bin/sh: autoconf: command not found |
| 14:07.12 | imax47 | make: *** [configure] B³±d 127 |
| 14:07.12 | imax47 | " |
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| 14:07.35 | Cope | liable: ok! |
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| 14:09.19 | a-l-e | [kapal]: btw, imap *and* http don't work |
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| 14:10.35 | stuckey | Cope: I followed what dpkg told me but I have an error now |
| 14:10.45 | stuckey | Cope: it says "Hash Sum mismatch" Failed to fetch some archives |
| 14:10.47 | stuckey | What's this all about? |
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| 14:12.06 | a_l_e | mmmh.... irc doesn't work either... it works only as long as it could connect with a "valid" resolv.conf |
| 14:12.10 | stuckey | nvermind it worked |
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| 14:13.45 | asaleem_ | Is there any tool that allows us to see any users created after fresh install |
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| 14:14.41 | SQlvpapir | I am currently installing lenny using a network install cd. It is at the select and install software-part where it downloads the selected packages. can I eject the cd safely and begin a install on another machine? |
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| 14:15.17 | Gryflhase | asaleem: ls /home ;) |
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| 14:15.42 | asaleem_ | Greyscale, it can be different |
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| 14:15.53 | asaleem_ | for users |
| 14:16.08 | asaleem_ | some users' home dirs may not be in /home |
| 14:16.42 | asaleem_ | Greyscale, useradd -d /var/ |
| 14:16.45 | Gryflhase | of course, and some "users" won't ever appear there, such lpdadmin etc |
| 14:16.57 | asaleem_ | Gryflhase, yep |
| 14:17.07 | Gryflhase | cat /etc/passwd |
| 14:17.09 | megaTherion | Is there python2.5 available as default? |
| 14:17.12 | hackeron | hey, how do I start applications as say nice -5 without sudoing to root? - do I have to be in a specific group? - can specific processes be allowed to be niced to -5? |
| 14:17.21 | Gryflhase | @asaleem |
| 14:17.49 | asaleem_ | Gryflhase, yes but I was looking for a tool that will parse it |
| 14:18.05 | Gryflhase | .... anc produce what kind of output ? |
| 14:18.07 | asaleem_ | Gryflhase, to avoid writing a small script |
| 14:18.09 | jelly | hackeron: you can't |
| 14:18.42 | jelly | hackeron: any nice value < 0 can be set by root only |
| 14:19.06 | stuckey | Could someone here please help me install nvidia drivers? |
| 14:19.29 | stuckey | I've downloaded the source and build debs for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx but they wont' install |
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| 14:19.51 | stuckey | I try dpkg -i nvidia-glx*.deb and it says it depends on vndia-kernel-source but that nvidia-kernel* isn't isntalled. |
| 14:19.59 | stuckey | and that's after I intall nvidia-kernel* |
| 14:20.06 | sjokkis | hi. i have two directories data1 and data2, which are mostly identical but not completely. how do i sync data1 so it has all the files that are in both? |
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| 14:20.29 | Bry-Dog | sjokkis: rsync |
| 14:20.38 | klaz168 | stuckey, apt? |
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| 14:20.42 | sjokkis | thanks Bry-Dog |
| 14:20.43 | stuckey | klaz168: yes what about it |
| 14:20.53 | myeggo | hi all |
| 14:21.03 | myeggo | i have this message with almost every programs: Failed to load plugin '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstlibvisual.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstlibvisual.so: undefined symbol: gst_plugin_add_dependency_simple |
| 14:21.13 | myeggo | is it really relevant? |
| 14:21.28 | myeggo | in fact i believe i have some problem with metacity, but i have no clue to fix |
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| 14:21.37 | jelly | hackeron: oh wait, man limits.conf says there's a way change the limits for nice value in Linux 2.6.12 and newer |
| 14:22.28 | klaz168 | stuckey, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 14:22.42 | stuckey | klaz168: No that doesn't work. |
| 14:22.49 | stuckey | I have to have the version of the driver that's in SID! |
| 14:22.50 | hackeron | jelly: hmmm, interesting |
| 14:23.06 | klaz168 | stuckey, what card ? |
| 14:23.10 | stuckey | 9800 GT |
| 14:23.19 | stuckey | IT HAS to have the 180 driver that's in Sid, Trust me, I know this. |
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| 14:23.32 | stuckey | I just need to figure out how the hell to install all of thsese debs I've made from sid. |
| 14:23.38 | stuckey | I keep getting fucking dependency problems. |
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| 14:24.04 | osfd | is it possible to restart xine ? |
| 14:24.43 | osfd | or sound server |
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| 14:25.23 | hackeron | jelly: added user soft nice -10 -- when I do nice -n -5 process -- the nice level is ignored :( |
| 14:25.25 | jelly | hackeron: just tried it as my normal user (put in echo -e 'jelly\thard\tnice\t-5\njelly\tsoft\tnice\t-5' >> /etc/security/limits.conf, logged in again) and it apparently works |
| 14:25.42 | aaron_ | can't remove files that start with @ is this a trojan? |
| 14:25.42 | hackeron | jelly: ok, let me try that |
| 14:25.45 | jelly | hackeron: you need to change the hard limit as well |
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| 14:26.13 | jelly | (hard value is the important part; soft value can be changed on the fly) |
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| 14:27.10 | jelly | aaron_: rm ./@blah ? |
| 14:27.32 | stuckey | Could someone please help me install nvidia drivers? I've got the debs but I don't know how to install them |
| 14:27.41 | ranix | lol stuckey |
| 14:27.49 | ranix | dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb harbl.deb |
| 14:27.50 | dpkg | removes a kidney from ranix and replaces it with foo.deb bar.deb harbl.deb |
| 14:27.53 | Maior | aaron_: are you sure they actually start with a @, rather than are being displayed with a @ before their name? |
| 14:27.56 | ranix | AAH |
| 14:27.57 | osfd | stuckey: why not installing the one from repos ? |
| 14:28.06 | stuckey | osfd: I have to have the one's in Sid. |
| 14:28.27 | aaron_ | [root@lab3 erase]# rm -rf eradkjd/ |
| 14:28.28 | aaron_ | rm: cannot remove directory `eradkjd/': Directory not empty |
| 14:28.28 | ranix | stuckey: dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb harbl.deb |
| 14:28.43 | Maior | aaron_: right, and? |
| 14:28.55 | Maior | you're trying to remove a directory, you can't because it's nonempty |
| 14:28.58 | Maior | so empty it |
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| 14:29.05 | ranix | Maior: drr |
| 14:29.20 | aaron_ | Maior, [root@lab3 eradkjd]# ls |
| 14:29.21 | aaron_ | ls: cannot access getPropList.p: No such file or directory |
| 14:29.21 | aaron_ | getPropList.p |
| 14:29.21 | hackeron | jelly: hmm, still no go, nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied |
| 14:29.21 | ranix | aaron_: not sure what's up with that |
| 14:29.23 | Maior | ranix: drr? |
| 14:29.28 | ranix | Maior: rm-rf |
| 14:29.43 | ranix | Maior: there's no better way to empty a directory |
| 14:29.46 | aaron_ | I have never seen this behavior before |
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| 14:29.47 | stuckey | ranix: dependency errors |
| 14:29.54 | ranix | stuckey: which |
| 14:29.55 | Maior | ranix: lol |
| 14:29.58 | hackeron | jelly: my line is: fusecctv hard nice -10 |
| 14:30.01 | stew | stuckey: read the description of the nvidia-glx package |
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| 14:30.11 | hackeron | jelly: I do su - fusecctv - then run nice -n -5 echo -- and get the permission denied error |
| 14:30.27 | stew | stuckey: it will tell you what to do about the missing nvidia-kernel dependency, assuming that is the problem you are having now |
| 14:30.28 | osfd | I get : xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers. what can I do about that ?? please |
| 14:30.33 | stuckey | ranix: oh there was some sort of trick to this that no one told me about |
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| 14:30.38 | Maior | aaron_: pastebin the following and their output please: "ls -a", "ls -la", "ls -la *" |
| 14:30.42 | stuckey | stew: that's exactly the problem I'm having |
| 14:30.53 | stuckey | Why is that stuff has to be hidden? |
| 14:30.54 | osfd | with amarok on a debian lenny (kde) |
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| 14:30.59 | stew | aaron_: what filesystem? you might do a fsck |
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| 14:31.23 | jelly | hackeron: uncomment the pam_limit line in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 14:31.37 | stuckey | stew: I read the description but it doesn't say how to do this ... unless I'm missing this somewhere. |
| 14:32.19 | ranix | what dependencies are you missing dude |
| 14:32.23 | ranix | figure it out and get the dependencies |
| 14:32.31 | stew | stuckey: oh it tells you to see the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 14:32.35 | hackeron | jelly: uncommented, logged out, logged in nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied |
| 14:32.35 | stew | stuckey: so read the docs there |
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| 14:34.27 | Bry-Dog | aaron_: i had that problem once you gotta fsck the drive in all likely hood and repair the broken file reference |
| 14:34.49 | aaron_ | Bry-Dog, should I run this from the gui |
| 14:34.59 | aaron_ | or mounted filesystem |
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| 14:35.47 | ranix | fsck the drive until it begs you to stop |
| 14:36.12 | Gryflhase | don't fschk a mounted drive. |
| 14:36.21 | Maior | aaron_: going to do that, or not? |
| 14:36.22 | Gryflhase | if it's systemdrive.... use a livecd to do it |
| 14:36.34 | Bry-Dog | aaron_: i have never done it on a mounted drive before, I would suggest backing everything up and doing from a live disk |
| 14:36.42 | osfd | nothing ?? |
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| 14:38.12 | aaron_ | Maior, http://paste.debian.net/32951/ |
| 14:38.46 | stuckey | stew: okay so I did "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" |
| 14:38.51 | Maior | aaron_: right, now do that from the dir "erase", which is where you were when you were quoting earlier |
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| 14:39.01 | Maior | in fact, from erase/eradkjd |
| 14:39.18 | McNulty | I really need to get libqt4.5 onto my machine. If I install from experimental, can I ever go back? |
| 14:40.22 | stuckey | Okay so I can't install nvidia-glx-ia32 because it says ia32-libs isn't installed, and ia32-libs won't install... it says ithas unmet dependencies. |
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| 14:40.38 | aaron_ | Maior, http://paste.debian.net/32952/ |
| 14:41.05 | Maior | yeah, fsck |
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| 14:41.26 | aaron_ | Maior, I need to run this |
| 14:41.26 | ranix | stuckey: get ia-32 libs from lenny |
| 14:41.28 | aaron_ | fsck |
| 14:41.34 | aaron_ | and not from the gui |
| 14:41.37 | stuckey | ranix: that's what I'm doing. |
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| 14:41.45 | stuckey | ranix: but it won't install it it saysit has unmet dependencies and it lists them |
| 14:41.48 | Maior | aaron_: I don't know about fsck guis, I don't use X |
| 14:41.51 | ranix | stuckey: why won't ia32-libs install? Apt-get? |
| 14:41.59 | Maior | aaron_: what's the fs in question; where's it mounted? |
| 14:41.59 | ranix | stuckey: are you running current lenny? |
| 14:42.09 | stuckey | ranix: yes... lenny stable and nothing else. |
| 14:42.19 | stuckey | ranix: ia32-libs won't install with "apt-get install ia32-libs" |
| 14:42.27 | stew | stuckey: lenny and nothing else? |
| 14:42.35 | stew | stuckey: i thought you were installing stuff from sid? |
| 14:42.38 | stuckey | stew: yes I re-installed the entire system. |
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| 14:42.44 | stuckey | stew: I built .debs from sid. |
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| 14:50.27 | jelly | hackeron: whatcanIsay, works for me! |
| 14:50.56 | jelly | hackeron: [16:49] ~ => su - oracle -c 'nice -n -5 echo w00t' \n Password: \n w00t |
| 14:51.36 | hackeron | jelly: yeah, strangely it works if I ssh as the user - but when I run a script as start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --startas $DAEMON --chuid fusecctv -- I get permission denied |
| 14:51.54 | hackeron | jelly: hmmm? |
| 14:52.08 | jelly | hackeron: that's to be expected. start-stop-daemon doesn't go thru pam |
| 14:52.55 | hackeron | jelly: hmmm, what's the solution? :) |
| 14:52.56 | jelly | hackeron: man start-stop-daemon, -N |
| 14:53.50 | hackeron | jelly: the problem is I don't want to change the priority of the process. But the process that gets started should be able to spawn other processes at higher priority |
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| 14:54.29 | jelly | hackeron: is it really that bad that the controller process is also run at higher prio? |
| 14:54.59 | hackeron | jelly: yes :( -- the controller does a lot of stuff like shasums and stuff that should be niced lower than other processes it spawns |
| 14:55.25 | jelly | hackeron: you could spawn them over sudo or su |
| 14:55.39 | jelly | s/over/via/ |
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| 14:56.25 | jelly | assuming your limits via su work now |
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| 14:57.06 | jelly | hackeron: or you could run the other processes with nice -n +whatever |
| 14:57.14 | Manoj | how does sudo change the nice level? |
| 14:57.42 | jelly | Manoj: pam_limits |
| 14:57.43 | hackeron | jelly: they do - hmm, so how do I start the controller with start-stop-daemon through su or sudo? |
| 14:57.45 | McNulty | Is there a way of getting Qt4.5 on my lenny/sid box? |
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| 14:58.04 | Manoj | why not use man 1 nice or man 3 nice? or renice? |
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| 14:58.12 | Manoj | no need to set up sudo and pam limits |
| 14:58.26 | hackeron | Manoj: because then I have to be root and I don't want to be root |
| 14:58.48 | hackeron | Manoj: basically, I want to allow a specific user to set nice level up to -10 |
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| 14:58.51 | jelly | Manoj: he wants the master process to be run at default niceness, but some children to run at higher prio |
| 14:59.03 | scx | i have opera repo in sources.list |
| 14:59.08 | scx | http://deb.opera.com/opera/ |
| 14:59.11 | scx | http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ |
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| 14:59.41 | scx | is it possible to set lower prefer. (apt-pinning) for beta? |
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| 15:00.13 | scx | apt-cache policy show the same origins: deb.opera.com |
| 15:00.16 | jelly | scx: depends on Opera's repo setup ie. their Release files |
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| 15:00.51 | hackeron | jelly: hmm, I guess what I could do is start the controller process in say nice -n 5 and then get it to spawn processes as nice -n 0 -- that should work, right? |
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| 15:00.59 | jelly | hackeron: yes. |
| 15:01.09 | csgeek | which is the more stable release of debian.. unstable or experimental.. i wanted to try out the new freeBSD kernel under debian |
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| 15:04.26 | hackeron | jelly: well, almost, had to use nice -n -5 to get from nice level 5 to nice level 0 :) |
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| 15:04.36 | Bry-Dog | csgeek: unstable is more stable then experimental |
| 15:05.12 | jelly | hackeron: you could also make the soft limit value to 0, hard limit to -5, and let the children call nice() on themselves |
| 15:05.33 | hackeron | jelly: hmm, how? |
| 15:05.56 | hackeron | jelly: you mean start the controller as -5 and have it run renice on itself? |
| 15:05.59 | csgeek | okay.. cool, now to install unstable... is there a different ISO i should grab.. I can't seem to find anything but the typical netboot etc ISOs |
| 15:06.01 | jelly | hackeron: man 2 setrlimit, man 2 nice |
| 15:06.58 | Bry-Dog | csgeek: there is no unstable cd, you need to install using one of the disks and then change your repositories to unstable and do an upgrade |
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| 15:07.48 | csgeek | sweet.. ty Bry-Dog |
| 15:08.18 | jelly | hackeron: am fuzzy on the details :-) |
| 15:08.26 | hackeron | jelly: well, nothing else runs on this box except for the controller and the processes it spawns - so I like the nice -n5 of most things except the stuff really needs the extra priority, that gets set to nice -n -5 (which sets it to nice 0) |
| 15:08.38 | twobitsprite | with rsync, is there a way to specify multiple sources and a single destination? |
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| 15:09.00 | hackeron | jelly: should work really - I mean I don't want to start taking priority away from things like raid5 resync :) |
| 15:09.13 | jelly | twobitsprite: rsync source1 source2 [...] destination works. |
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| 15:09.33 | twobitsprite | jelly: how does rsync tell the difference between the sources and dests? |
| 15:09.40 | hackeron | jelly: btw, just so you have some idea of what this is all for: http://leom.homeip.net/cctv/events - user/pass: demo/demo |
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| 15:09.49 | jelly | twobitsprite: there's only one destination, and it's the last. |
| 15:10.16 | twobitsprite | jelly: ahh... I see, I was reading the manpage synopsis wrong :P |
| 15:10.26 | jelly | twobitsprite: there're also various syntax bits (that I seldom use) |
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| 15:11.42 | jelly | hackeron: nice (the cctv part pointed to something like that, though) |
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| 15:12.17 | jelly | hackeron: http://leom.homeip.net/cctv/live fails in a bad way for the demo user |
| 15:12.30 | osfd | why do you think grooveshark messup with the sound and more precisely with xine ?? |
| 15:12.33 | hackeron | jelly: live is not finished yet :) |
| 15:12.56 | jelly | my innate ability to trigger bugs still works! |
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| 15:13.13 | hackeron | jelly: but basically videos weren't very smooth when other stuff was running like sha1sum or compression of the video for the iphone, etc - so I wanted to nice the main stuff to -5 -- I guess it's just as effective to nice the bad stuff up to +5 :) |
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| 15:17.00 | jelly | hrrm. zsh's ulimit builtin doesn't know about Linux nice limit. |
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| 15:17.15 | jelly | found _one_ thing that bash has and zsh doesn't |
| 15:17.23 | tlx | wwhat |
| 15:17.27 | tlx | colors>? |
| 15:17.56 | et | i think he means the ulimit thing ;) |
| 15:18.14 | tlx | :/ |
| 15:18.25 | stew | jelly: help? |
| 15:18.46 | tlx | super powerpoint vulnerability discovered. hehe |
| 15:19.09 | Gryflhase | Is there a (easy to setup) voice-recognation-tool, that passes the text to bash ? |
| 15:19.56 | Gryflhase | (or a terminal-emulation) |
| 15:20.16 | jelly | !help stew |
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| 15:20.31 | dpkg | jelly: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 15:28.11 | drw | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.12 | CoolCold | hi |
| 15:28.22 | drw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.24 | Brack102 | trying to do kinit to hook up to a Windows 2003 domain. It gives me this error "Cannot resolve network address for KDC in realm MYDOMAIN.COM while getting initial credentials" which is supposed to be a DNS issue but everything looks to be in order. (can resolve the debian box by IP, hostname, also the Windows server). Any help? |
| 15:29.05 | hagna | so when this bridge interface gets an ip via dhcp it doesn't get a default route to the gateway. Why is that? |
| 15:29.19 | hagna | Y |
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| 15:29.59 | mquin | Brack102: make sure you've set you AD realm in /etc/krb5.conf 'default realm' parameter |
| 15:30.07 | Brack102 | it is |
| 15:30.21 | Brack102 | mquin: I checked that....and it has the proper hostname configured |
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| 15:31.27 | mquin | Brack102: maybe try setting the kdc explicity in the [realms] section and see if that helps |
| 15:31.32 | CoolCold | have strange question - let's say we have /dev/blabla mounted to /test with fsck fs_passno option set to 2, and that device, /dev/blabla doesn't contain valid filesystem, fsck will drop me into single mode |
| 15:32.03 | Brack102 | mquin: you mean by IP instead of hostname? Cuz I already have the KDC defined |
| 15:32.04 | CoolCold | how this situation should be avoided and fsck to process partition |
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| 15:33.19 | jintxo | Brack102: is your DNS "active driectory integrated" as Microsoft would call it? maybe the machine you're trying to add to the directory is looking for all the SRV records necessary for AD to work and not finding them? |
| 15:33.43 | jintxo | I must admit I have no idea about kinit, but sounds like a possible problem |
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| 15:33.50 | Brack102 | jintxo: yes and I have it working on another Debian box |
| 15:33.58 | Brack102 | from which I copied all config information |
| 15:34.16 | Brack102 | oh I guess I didn't do smb.conf yet but that shouldn't matter at this stage, I don't think |
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| 15:34.38 | mquin | Brack102: if you're using the same krb5.conf as the other machine then it would suggest something is awry with your DNS |
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| 15:35.23 | Brack102 | I had to create entries in DNS manually for my box...but I always have to do that for linux hosts...relateD? |
| 15:35.50 | Brack102 | it doesn't seem to like my M$ DNS |
| 15:36.00 | mquin | That shouldn't matter as far as the linux box finding the KDC is concerned. Might be worth checking your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 15:36.38 | Brack102 | ok |
| 15:36.58 | Brack102 | I don't understand because my krb5.conf lists "server.mydomain.com" and when I do a nslookup on that hostname it works just fine |
| 15:37.07 | Brack102 | so what do they mean can't resolve? |
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| 15:38.14 | mquin | Brack102: does ping server.mydomain.com behave as you would expect? |
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| 15:39.02 | Brack102 | mquin: nope...there's the problem |
| 15:39.25 | Brack102 | ping: unknown host server.mydomain.com |
| 15:39.55 | mquin | probably nsswitch.conf, also make sure you've got a loopback device configured and up - that can cause all sorts of subtle breakage |
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| 15:40.48 | Brack102 | mquin: ok...but shouldn't nslookup fail for IP or hostname resolve? |
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| 15:41.26 | mquin | Brack102: nslookup always uses DNS and the settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:41.42 | mquin | the libc resolver follows what /etc/nsswitch.conf says |
| 15:42.04 | mquin | so you can have the situation where nslookup works, but everything else fails becasuse nsswitch isn't telling it to use DNS |
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| 15:43.24 | Brack102 | mquin: that's confusing |
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| 15:44.45 | kroddn | how can I play vbox created ULAW files without using vbox itself? |
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| 15:46.09 | Brack102 | mquin: works now. got a ticket cached and everything |
| 15:46.13 | Brack102 | mquin: thanks a mil |
| 15:46.16 | mquin | \o/ |
| 15:46.26 | mquin | good to hear |
| 15:47.08 | mquin | I <3 Kerberos when it works (which is does most of the time), but it can be one of the damnest things to troubleshoot when it misbehaves |
| 15:48.53 | Brack102 | mquin: that was an easy one, thankfully |
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| 15:49.28 | mquin | Brack102: yeah, no need to break out wireshark (been there, done that) |
| 15:49.51 | Brack102 | mquin: you run samba servers? |
| 15:50.03 | mquin | in a few places, yeah |
| 15:50.30 | Brack102 | mquin: I hope you don't run any samba domain controllers. I would feel bad for you then |
| 15:51.08 | mquin | nah, we're an MSAD site, so the window admins get to look after that side |
| 15:52.11 | Brack102 | When you look at the mailing list you see entries with people saying "I have a 1000 user, 5 site setup using samba and openldap...it worked OK but now authentication and file sharing are broken" and I just cringe at the thought |
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| 15:54.11 | mquin | nods |
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| 16:04.37 | cr3 | how can I determine which packages depend on package "foo", for example? |
| 16:05.16 | stew | cr3: "apt-cache rdepednds foo" or "aptitude search '~Rfoo'" |
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| 16:06.55 | ajavid | yo |
| 16:07.03 | cr3 | stew: thanks! |
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| 16:07.19 | ajavid | good morning from Louisiana |
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| 16:08.36 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 16:09.32 | Denis | hello |
| 16:09.38 | rajeshsr | hi, I get "cannot utime, permission denioed" whenever a new file is downloaded via wget or make installed.. |
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| 16:09.56 | rajeshsr | how to rectify this? |
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| 16:10.06 | Denis | i need to share a folder |
| 16:10.15 | Denis | how can i install samba? |
| 16:10.24 | jelly | rajeshsr: first, pastebin the complete command you run and its whole output |
| 16:10.40 | rajeshsr | i am wgetting a big site.. |
| 16:10.53 | rajeshsr | >>utime(www.cs.iitm.ernet.in/~cs670/book/numeqnarraytmp14-2-1.png): Operation not permitted |
| 16:11.21 | jelly | rajeshsr: wget a smaller one or a single page. |
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| 16:11.46 | liable | better yet, dont attack peoples sites with recursive wget |
| 16:11.54 | Brack102 | mquin: AD isn't working still and when I do wbinfo -u it's not showing me any users from AD...any idea how to troubleshoot? |
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| 16:11.58 | jelly | rajeshsr: are you using a vfat filesystem? |
| 16:12.00 | dandc | I'm SCPing between two debian boxes, and there's a long (a second or so) delay between each file. What gives? |
| 16:12.06 | jamesstanley | Anyone know what can be done to improve the time it takes to switch between X and the console, and vice versa? |
| 16:12.12 | rajeshsr | jelly, yep, that is vfat.. |
| 16:12.19 | jamesstanley | At the moment it's taking about 3 seconds for me. |
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| 16:12.26 | jelly | rajeshsr: vfat doesn't support utime, that's normal then |
| 16:12.34 | jelly | atime* |
| 16:12.35 | rajeshsr | oh, ok |
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| 16:14.07 | twobitsprite | does anyone know of a good way to backup a windows system to a debian system? |
| 16:14.48 | dandc | twobitsprite: maybe toss samba on debian and windows fileshare it across? |
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| 16:16.40 | liable | partimage can do windows. it worked for me once |
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| 16:17.50 | twobitsprite | dandc: I was thinking something more like rsync |
| 16:18.11 | dandc | there's certainly rsync clients for windows =) |
| 16:18.13 | liable | rsync should work |
| 16:18.17 | twobitsprite | actually, there are probably rsync systems for windows.. |
| 16:18.19 | twobitsprite | heh, yeah :P |
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| 16:20.38 | dandc | so anyone know why scp would be waiting several seconds between each file? |
| 16:21.02 | twobitsprite | trying to do ns lookups? |
| 16:21.18 | twobitsprite | there's an option in ssh_config to disable nslookups |
| 16:21.20 | jelly | twobitsprite: how good does it have to be? Bare metal recovery? rsync doesn't know about NTFS ACLs. |
| 16:21.39 | twobitsprite | jelly: nah... just files |
| 16:22.18 | jelly | twobitsprite: if you don't care about onwerships/permissions, then it'll work |
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| 16:22.50 | Gryflhase | is there a tool/converter for chm -files ? |
| 16:23.08 | twobitsprite | Gryflhase: what's a chm file? |
| 16:23.24 | Gryflhase | a file with a chm-suffix |
| 16:23.34 | Gryflhase | i guess a windows-help file |
| 16:23.53 | Gryflhase | ok, it is a ebook,but in this format |
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| 16:24.16 | twobitsprite | why do you want to convert it if you didn't even know what it was? :P |
| 16:24.21 | cahoot | Gryflhase: alrready tried aptitude search chm? |
| 16:24.32 | Gryflhase | it IS an ebook |
| 16:25.00 | Eulex | chm means compiled html |
| 16:25.10 | twobitsprite | Gryflhase: also, cahoot has a point... check aptitude, there's lots of stuff in there |
| 16:25.17 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.31 | scx | i have a little problem with apt |
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| 16:26.12 | scx | apt want to remove libmetacity0, but apt also want to install libmetacity-private0 |
| 16:26.16 | Gryflhase | ok, i did a quick search with apt-search, but overseen it, cause I hurried ... |
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| 16:26.27 | Gryflhase | thx alot |
| 16:26.32 | bit0 | hello |
| 16:26.34 | twobitsprite | scx: have anything non-standard in your sources.list? |
| 16:27.06 | scx | yes, http://wklej.org/id/76296/ http://wklej.org/id/76298/ http://wklej.org/id/76299/ |
| 16:27.14 | scx | twobitsprite: ^^ |
| 16:28.00 | Denis | i've shared the folder by samba network, |
| 16:28.00 | Denis | but when try to open it from other pc, i need to enter login and password, |
| 16:28.00 | Denis | how to how to add new user and to disable the password for him? |
| 16:28.02 | twobitsprite | yeah, you're sources is all messed up |
| 16:28.05 | scx | 1 link - source.list 2 - preferences 3 - apt-cache policy |
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| 16:28.35 | twobitsprite | obviously at least two of the sources disagree on depends |
| 16:29.28 | twobitsprite | scx: check apt-cache policy as a starting point for troublshooting it |
| 16:29.40 | scx | twobitsprite: all messed up |
| 16:29.57 | scx | sry :-/ |
| 16:30.06 | scx | http://wklej.org/id/76299/ |
| 16:30.17 | twobitsprite | scx: yeah, you have stable, testing and unstable all in the same sources |
| 16:30.17 | Denis | anybody, help me please... |
| 16:30.21 | scx | copy/past problem ;p |
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| 16:30.32 | twobitsprite | Denis: patience, someone will answer you |
| 16:30.43 | scx | twobitsprite: but i have preferences (apt-pinning) |
| 16:30.53 | scx | twobitsprite: and testing is default |
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| 16:31.49 | twobitsprite | scx: check apt-cache policy to see where it's trying to pull stuff from |
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| 16:33.13 | scx | twobitsprite: it is ok, only testing (o=Debian, c=main/contrib/non-free) have 900 |
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| 16:34.38 | twobitsprite | scx: sorry, maybe someone else can help you untangle your mess |
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| 16:34.50 | Manoj | Denis: man smbpasswd ? |
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| 16:35.33 | Manoj | Denis: the -d option might be what you want |
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| 16:36.12 | scx | i think, that libmetacity0 and libmetacity-private0 is the same package, but first is in stable/lenny, and second is in >= testing |
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| 16:37.57 | twobitsprite | one of the reasons its not recommended to mix stable and testing |
| 16:38.40 | jair | gentleman, I am trying to set the DMPS for my monitor and I am unsure if I need to run the command xset as root but I keep getting a unable to diplay 0.0 has anyone run into the same issue? |
| 16:39.13 | Manoj | jair: sure. root has no permissions on the display |
| 16:39.21 | Manoj | the logged in user has control. |
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| 16:39.43 | Manoj | so run xset as the user who has permissions; or play games with Xauthority files |
| 16:40.13 | GinoMan | why does debian require an initrd? |
| 16:40.23 | Manoj | does not |
| 16:40.25 | Hydroxide | GinoMan: it doesn't. the default kernels do |
| 16:40.38 | Manoj | official kernel image packages do, since they have to cater to all kinds of hardware |
| 16:40.39 | Hydroxide | GinoMan: if you compile your own kernel, an initrd is not required |
| 16:40.41 | jair | Manoj: but the thing is I did changed the settings but after restart the system the numbers for suspend, standby, off went back to the default numbers |
| 16:40.52 | Hydroxide | Manoj: hi there |
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| 16:40.53 | Manoj | the official image packages are too big to boot off a floppy :P |
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| 16:41.17 | Manoj | also, you might be using cryptsetup, or an obscure file system, and not all of the file systems are built into the kernel |
| 16:41.27 | GinoMan | I've compiled my own linux kernel in there but I used the make oldconfig to configure it |
| 16:41.56 | Manoj | jair: put all of those xset stuff in your .xsession file |
| 16:42.33 | Hydroxide | GinoMan: yeah, you'd have to use one of the other options to modify the config to not use an initrd. then if you're using make-kpkg to make a .deb, don't use --initrd. |
| 16:42.41 | Manoj | GinoMan: ok. Now figure out what file system you are using, use make menuconfig or something to make sure those file systems are built into the kernel, and not as modules. |
| 16:42.44 | Hydroxide | GinoMan: (if you're making a deb some other way, the steps might be different) |
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| 16:43.02 | Theoden | Linux Curmudgeon 2.6.29.1-theo.2 #1 SMP Tue Apr 7 12:19:55 PDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:43.47 | Manoj | GinoMan: and then you can dispense with the initrd. Personally, I build everything I need into the kernel -- I started with all modules, did an lsmod, and removed every module I did not need, and built in the ones that showed up in lsmod |
| 16:43.51 | tlx | say, i have an old ve3rsion of nmap installed already by way of apt. say i want to compile the newest version myself, should i remove the old one first? |
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| 16:44.35 | valdyn | tlx: why would it matter? |
| 16:44.49 | tlx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.58 | twobitsprite | tlx: does the version you need not exist in, say, sid? |
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| 16:45.14 | valdyn | tlx: nmap should go into /usr/local if its self compiled, theres no conflict |
| 16:45.16 | SparFux1 | I think I am running unstable and there are VERY OLD bluez bluetooth package in there. My version is 3.36 and there is 4.34 available in mainstream. |
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| 16:45.59 | tlx | twobitsprite: sid as in unstable? |
| 16:46.03 | twobitsprite | yeah |
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| 16:46.08 | tlx | valdyn: oh. ok |
| 16:46.14 | tlx | twobitsprite: why would i run sid |
| 16:46.23 | GinoMan | what if I just compiled a kernel already without using make-kpkg |
| 16:46.32 | twobitsprite | tlx: I'm not saying to run sid... I'm saying to see if the package is available from sid |
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| 16:47.01 | Manoj | GinoMan: then it depends on how you compiled it, and what is forcing an initrd on you |
| 16:47.02 | jair | Manoj: ok I will do that |
| 16:47.04 | tlx | let me check |
| 16:47.04 | GinoMan | I already have an assload of modules which I installed using make modules_install |
| 16:47.34 | GinoMan | Manoj: last time I tried this I needed an initrd and I hadn't copied or made one |
| 16:47.38 | GinoMan | from the linux source |
| 16:47.39 | Manoj | GinoMan: is the file system you used for / compiled as a module? |
| 16:47.51 | twobitsprite | tlx: if it is, you can either get the source package from sid and compile it for your system, or add sid to you sources and pin it to testing |
| 16:47.52 | GinoMan | .... I think I built jfs in |
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| 16:48.32 | Manoj | GinoMan: than you should not use an initrd. Do youuse lilo? (update-grub would have noticed you did not have an initrd and not looked for on at boot) |
| 16:48.37 | GinoMan | jfs is built in |
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| 16:48.51 | GinoMan | I haven't done update grub yet |
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| 16:48.55 | eloss | Is openjdk-6-src-b11-10_jul_2008.tar.gz probably one of the bad ones or one of the broken ones? |
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| 16:49.11 | Manoj | GinoMan: ok. What fails if you do not create an initrd? |
| 16:49.14 | twobitsprite | eloss: wrong channel? |
| 16:49.38 | Manoj | GinoMan: (though it is easy to create one, using initramfs-tools) |
| 16:49.40 | eloss | where should I ask? |
| 16:49.41 | GinoMan | nothing yet.. I'm anticipating a failure |
| 16:49.56 | Manoj | GinoMan: heh. Ye of little faith ... |
| 16:50.00 | twobitsprite | eloss: I don't even know what your question is about... but it seems like #java might be a good place |
| 16:50.05 | Manoj | GinoMan: just run update-grub. |
| 16:50.06 | GinoMan | ..... |
| 16:50.10 | GinoMan | it worked |
| 16:50.13 | GinoMan | it found the linux image |
| 16:50.21 | GinoMan | what's the purpose of System.map |
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| 16:50.56 | GinoMan | (and to think, I'm trying to work through essential linux device drivers |
| 16:50.58 | mischief6 | anyone know if there is something like denyhosts for apache? |
| 16:50.58 | GinoMan | ) |
| 16:51.23 | GinoMan | brb.. I have to pick up my g/f |
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| 16:52.06 | mquin | Brack102: have you added the machine to the domain with 'net ads join'? |
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| 16:54.00 | jair | Manoj: there is not such a file on "/home/user/" and I did "ls -a" still there is not .xsession |
| 16:55.02 | Brack102 | mquin: I just had to restart winbind |
| 16:55.27 | Brack102 | mquin: now I got ACL to work but it's letting in users it shouldn't...getting closer! |
| 16:55.33 | Manoj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.25 | jair | yes |
| 16:56.41 | zx | hi,when i search of connect in chroot,get me,what the problem's? Connection to localhost closed by remote host. |
| 16:56.41 | zx | Connection to localhost closed. |
| 16:57.19 | Manoj | jair: it also depends on what you use, xdw/kdm/gdm/wdm; I think all of them have different idiosyncracies. I use xdm, and hace setup /etc/X11/xdm/* to run my ~/.xsession file when I log into X. Your setup should have some file to allow you to do something similar |
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| 16:58.10 | Denis | i try to add new user samba, but Failed to modify password entry for user |
| 16:58.11 | tlx | where do i turn to install the unstable nmap< |
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| 16:58.51 | Manoj | Denis: you tried to add a new user called samba, or you added a new user to the Samaba password database? |
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| 16:58.57 | jair | Manoj: on I am checking |
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| 16:59.11 | Manoj | I need to go get a coffee, bbiab |
| 16:59.15 | Denis | a new user to the Samaba password database |
| 16:59.29 | ghang | hi , how to set nautilis file browser become the default file browser ? |
| 16:59.33 | zx | pls |
| 16:59.57 | tlx | i never heard of sid before ;) |
| 17:00.04 | jair | Manoj: here is the result of "id" command => http://paste.debian.net/32966 |
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| 17:00.12 | Denis | i want to open shared files from other pc without typing password |
| 17:00.14 | Manoj | Denis: if the user is disabled, that might be an issue. Hmm. You can edit the password file and remove the D from the password field, but ... |
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| 17:01.05 | Manoj | jair: egrep tec /etc/passwd; look for where the home directory is |
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| 17:01.38 | Manoj | jair: in that home directory, try placing a .xsession file. It should be picked up (well, xdm picks it up and runs it) |
| 17:02.01 | jair | Manoj: ok I will try that |
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| 17:05.26 | twobitsprite | !tell tlx -about mixed system |
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| 17:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, cool, thanks |
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| 17:08.13 | xJaM | How can I (re)install LyX 1.6.2-1 over stable LyX 1.5.5-1? I'm newbe in Debian and Linux in general btw. |
| 17:08.28 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
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| 17:09.20 | tglasgow | Hi, I am running an etch box and I need to reinstall an app that uses etch backports, and I get the following error message: |
| 17:09.20 | tglasgow | Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org etch-backports/main |
| 17:09.20 | tglasgow | How to access etch backports now that lenny is out? Thanks |
| 17:09.21 | xJaM | I have 1.6.2-1 in Laptop with Win XP, and 1.5.5-1, but files *.lyx are not compatible. |
| 17:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, this definitely has a higher information content than the bobbitt factoid and I didn't know of that faq section |
| 17:09.51 | xJaM | 1.5.5-1 in Debian 5.0 of course. |
| 17:10.02 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh |
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| 17:10.49 | xJaM | I gues I should export from LyX 1.6.2-1 to file *.tex and then import to 1.5.5-1?? |
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| 17:11.14 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: heh... I've never read the bobbitt factoit |
| 17:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, ok, now I'm a bit disappointed - because it doesn't detail what can go wrong either |
| 17:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, that's the factoid that's generally cited in here when someone reads the term "mixed system" |
| 17:11.50 | twobitsprite | CutMeOwnThroat: the most likely thing is to get stuck |
| 17:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, you'll see if we keep talking about it for a bit, it'll happen :) |
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| 17:12.53 | twobitsprite | if you have something from sid, then it breaks in sid due to changes, you might get stuck in a place where you can't update it until its fixed |
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| 17:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I personally think the horror starts when an unstable package pulls in a new libc ... or if more than... say 3 libraries are necessary from unstable |
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| 17:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but really there is imho no danger, if you get a single package from sid and it doesn't pull in anything else |
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| 17:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, but generally you should probably refer people to backports instead of suggesting mixing... |
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| 17:18.16 | bolt | you do get used to watching the dependensies and solving conflicts after a while though |
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| 17:21.33 | SparFux1 | I need to remove a line Breaks: in a deb ubuntu package to install it. |
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| 17:22.45 | sphenxes01 | I have bought a 1TB external hard drive with Fat32 format. I would like to repartition with Gparted into 2 partitions. Gparted recognize the 1TB drive, but can't change size or even reformat. What can i do to repartition my hard drive? |
| 17:23.07 | bolt | SparFux1: huh? |
| 17:23.19 | Gryflhase | sphenxes01, : Did you ever used gparted before ? |
| 17:23.38 | bolt | sphenxes01: try just doing it in fdisk |
| 17:23.40 | sphenxes01 | yes, several times |
| 17:23.45 | bolt | sphenxes01: ..unless you need your data |
| 17:23.54 | SparFux1 | bolt: I need to chanage the package. It is an ubuntu package and it has a Breaks: udev (<0.136) line and I get a message that I got 0.140, but it won't install. |
| 17:23.59 | bolt | sphenxes01: ..in which case you would be crazy not to have a backup anyway |
| 17:24.10 | Gryflhase | I like cfdisk best |
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| 17:24.19 | bolt | whatever floats your boat :) |
| 17:24.22 | tlx | i seem to be lacking make |
| 17:24.27 | Gryflhase | (but it destoryes also the data) |
| 17:24.27 | tlx | 'make' |
| 17:24.35 | bolt | tlx: apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:24.40 | sphenxes01 | thanks, i would go to fdisk |
| 17:24.43 | tlx | bolt: right! |
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| 17:25.28 | bolt | whoa |
| 17:25.29 | tlx | E: Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 17:25.29 | tlx | ahhh!! |
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| 17:25.34 | blime | lol |
| 17:25.37 | DimmuR | what state 'automaticly installed: no' means in aptitude? That i've manually installed this package? (i've status 'no' for files like gettext-base which i didn't install by hand) |
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| 17:25.58 | bolt | !search build-essential |
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| 17:26.32 | xxtjaxx | I want to use a program with wine but it is arguing that i only works in 16 or 8bit color mode where can i change that? |
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| 17:27.41 | bolt | tlx: what branch are you in? |
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| 17:28.20 | LiCeT | hi all |
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| 17:28.30 | bolt | xxtjaxx: try #wine |
| 17:28.55 | LiCeT | someone here can help me get my cam work? |
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| 17:29.11 | xxtjaxx | but i think it is something more OS dependant than applicatioon,, |
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| 17:29.20 | AndyML | how can i install gnome desktop environment from a etch minimal install? is there a meta package for it or something? |
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| 17:29.47 | bolt | xxtjaxx: the color mode reported to a windows application by wine is definately a wine issue |
| 17:30.03 | xxtjaxx | ok |
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| 17:30.24 | bolt | AndyML: apt-get install gnome should get you the whole shebang |
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| 17:30.34 | Ogedei | after a dist-upgrade, xterm and emacs no longer anti-alias fonts, but iceweasel does. they all use libfreetype, don't they? |
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| 17:30.44 | bolt | AndyML: why etch anyway? |
| 17:30.49 | AndyML | bolt: doesn't seem to - gdm won't load, etc... xserver-xorg wasn't in there or anything. |
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| 17:30.57 | AndyML | bolt: etch because that is what proxmox is built on |
| 17:30.59 | asaleem_ | Can I run an x app using at? |
| 17:31.28 | tlx | bolt: i think im in lennÃÂe |
| 17:31.43 | asaleem_ | I tried to schedule rdesktop using at but it says unable to open display |
| 17:31.56 | tlx | AndyML: you need aptitude |
| 17:32.01 | tlx | run aptitude and install away |
| 17:32.13 | tlx | i did that a few days ago, actualy, it worked fine |
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| 17:32.53 | bolt | AndyML: every requirement should be there already. try installing xorg and gdm manually as well, perhaps. |
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| 17:33.41 | AndyML | thanks bolt. i'll let you know. |
| 17:34.15 | bolt | tlx: build-essential should definately be in lenny. could you pastebin your sources.list, perhaps? |
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| 17:35.57 | tlx | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20$ |
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| 17:36.19 | tlx | sec |
| 17:36.23 | tlx | i think i found the issue |
| 17:37.16 | bolt | tlx: you need to add normal repositories to that list and update apt |
| 17:37.39 | tlx | bolt: i had some local ftp links in there |
| 17:37.41 | tlx | they didnt work |
| 17:38.37 | tlx | all packages ARE gpg signed so it does not matter what mirror i use, right? |
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| 17:47.33 | tlx | is having volatile sources a bad thing? |
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| 17:48.49 | pickcoder | not if they need frequent updates for security and effectiveness |
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| 17:49.19 | pickcoder | I use it for clamav |
| 17:49.22 | pickcoder | that's about it, though |
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| 17:49.31 | hagna | so when this bridge interface br0 gets an ip via dhcp it doesn't get a default route to the gateway. Why is that? |
| 17:49.34 | tlx | i have no idea what I use it for |
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| 17:50.19 | bolt | tlx: sounds like you should clean your sources.list a bit... |
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| 17:52.49 | tlx | ftp://ftp.uninett.no/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources: No such file or directory ' |
| 17:53.04 | tlx | thats funny. it al2ways fails |
| 17:53.26 | Brack102 | trying to use a samba server in an AD domain with ACL. AD works, ACL works EXCEPT the fact that any authenticated user can read my testshare no matter what. Could someone please take a look at my smb.conf and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks http://pastebin.com/mad010fe |
| 17:53.46 | tlx | Im going to bed in <1 minute |
| 17:54.10 | bolt | ~test |
| 17:54.11 | apt | Failed! |
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| 17:55.43 | tlx | bolt: build-essential are in progress ;) |
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| 17:55.59 | bolt | tlx: gratz |
| 17:56.03 | bolt | tlx: sov godt :) |
| 17:56.23 | tlx | bolt: tack ;) |
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| 17:58.15 | Gryflhase | I use debian on the eeepc and want to start syndaemon. But it fails with error: Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled? |
| 17:58.43 | Gryflhase | Don't know about SHMConfig.... |
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| 17:59.14 | cahoot | Option "SHMConfig" "true" in xorg.conf perhaps |
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| 18:00.11 | Gryflhase | cahoot Oh, thx |
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| 18:05.07 | sidekick | Hi all, what packages would i need to install to use make-jpkg ? |
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| 18:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 18:05.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgg |
| 18:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
| 18:05.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | sidekick, see yourself - apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search make-jpkg |
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| 18:25.07 | bolt | okay, this is weird. when I do "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > packages" on one machine and then "xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < packages" on another, a few packages that are not installed on the first one sneak in. iceweasel and a couple of java packages. any ideas as to why? |
| 18:25.31 | bolt | i also tried reading it back in on the same machine. same thing happened there. it wanted to install iceweasel for some reason |
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| 18:26.13 | stew | bolt: i'd gues it is due to you having installed some packages --without-recommends on the source machine |
| 18:27.00 | bolt | stew: that's weird. don't remember doing that. could be, though |
| 18:27.38 | stew | bolt: well you can create that situation by letting it install the recommends, then later removing them |
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| 18:28.09 | stew | bolt: but perhaps adding --without-recommends to your --schedule-only is worth a try? |
| 18:28.19 | bolt | stew: will try |
| 18:29.26 | lymeca | I have a bunch of Debian servers I am trying to backup the entire / directories of via rdiff-backup to a backup server I have... but am not sure how to handle permissions. |
| 18:29.38 | kponds | Could anyone tell me a URL to go in sources.list for lenny main? I installed from a miniCD without networking support enabled during the install and it configured my sources.list to point to the CD. Sorry for asking a googleable question, but I'm stuck without a web browser here. |
| 18:29.50 | lymeca | I have disabled root logins across the board |
| 18:30.06 | CoolCold | lymeca: mb use dump for this? it handles permissions as i remember |
| 18:30.11 | lymeca | Wait a minute, I can just run cron jobs running the rdiff-backup as root? |
| 18:30.14 | jelly | kponds: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list ? |
| 18:30.15 | xJaM|LyX | Anyone export on LyX? |
| 18:30.21 | xJaM|LyX | *expert |
| 18:30.24 | lymeca | CoolCold: mb? |
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| 18:30.29 | kponds | jelly: you rock thanks |
| 18:30.49 | jpinx | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main kponds |
| 18:30.54 | cahoot | xJaM|LyX: those are probably best met om lyx-user mailing list |
| 18:31.04 | xJaM|LyX | cahoot: Aha. |
| 18:31.35 | jelly | kponds: oh, and replace any mention of "stable" with "lenny" to keep that machine from surprises when lenny+1 is released |
| 18:32.16 | kponds | thanks |
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| 18:32.31 | xJaM|LyX | cahoot: What that in fact means... |
| 18:32.39 | jelly | that example file probably deserves a bug report |
| 18:32.56 | cahoot | xJaM|LyX: if you really need lyx *experts* |
| 18:33.06 | xJaM|LyX | cahoot: :-) |
| 18:33.19 | kponds | its missing volatile too (whatever that is, last time I used linux was woody :)) |
| 18:33.22 | xJaM|LyX | cahoot: I guess not so bih ones ... |
| 18:33.31 | xJaM|LyX | *big |
| 18:33.49 | xJaM|LyX | cahoot: I just want to finish my diploma seminar ... |
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| 18:34.04 | jelly | kponds: volatile isn't crucial unless you're actually using packages from it, so that's not really too bad |
| 18:34.23 | kponds | alright ill read up on it more once I get iceweasel going, thanks for the help |
| 18:34.29 | cahoot | xJaM|LyX: still - the mailing list is probably good advice |
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| 18:35.28 | lymeca | Is there *any* point in backing up /dev? I mean isn't that just populated every boot? |
| 18:35.53 | ranix | backing up /dev/? |
| 18:35.53 | xoz_ | lymeca: latest kernel does not require that |
| 18:35.59 | ranix | how would you back up /dev/ |
| 18:36.10 | lymeca | Well I am doing it right now with rdiff-backup |
| 18:36.19 | xoz_ | lymeca: no need |
| 18:36.25 | ranix | quick, copy /dev/sda /dev/sdb and /dev/snd to my tape drive |
| 18:36.31 | lymeca | Didn't think so. |
| 18:36.49 | xoz_ | lymeca: ok. do it your way then. what is the point of asking? |
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| 18:37.17 | jelly | ranix: tar cvf /dev/ranixstape /dev/{sda,sdb,snd} ... done |
| 18:37.33 | lymeca | Because I wanted advice? Don't give me shit, I'm not backing up /dev now damn |
| 18:37.46 | xoz_ | what shit you want? |
| 18:37.59 | jelly | lymeca: it doesn't make much sense if you're using udev |
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| 18:38.11 | xoz_ | !udev |
| 18:38.12 | dpkg | udev is probably at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>, or <udev details> |
| 18:38.16 | bolt | stew: that reduced the list a bit, but now I get a conflict after running it, where it wants to install half of the original list of extra packages. iceweasel is gone, but it still wants fam, ca-certificates-java, ttf-baekmuk, tzdata-java and a few other weird things... |
| 18:38.24 | lymeca | jelly: Right, okay so just make sure udev is instaled on all VMs and I should be good excluding /dev |
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| 18:38.47 | lymeca | I am excluding /dev, /proc and /tmp |
| 18:38.55 | jelly | lymeca: make your backup app not cross into other fs mountpoints and problem is solved |
| 18:39.03 | lymeca | Wonder if there's anything else that's safe to nix |
| 18:39.14 | CoolCold | lymeca: mb = may be |
| 18:39.30 | lymeca | jelly: Ahh, well what if I want that? |
| 18:39.38 | lymeca | I have one server with a RAID array at /mnt |
| 18:39.47 | jelly | lymeca: so backup / and /mnt! |
| 18:39.52 | lymeca | I would like to backup the entire Debian install plus /mnt |
| 18:39.58 | lymeca | SHould I create separate commands for each? |
| 18:40.06 | jelly | (that is, all real mount points) |
| 18:40.16 | lymeca | I will be excluding dev, proc, and tmp on the / copy |
| 18:40.42 | lymeca | But is it bad to have it traverse mount points on the / backup to the point where I need separate commands for / and /mnt? |
| 18:40.53 | jelly | lymeca: then you want to add /sys, /lib/init/rw, etc |
| 18:41.12 | jelly | (to the exclude list) |
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| 18:41.48 | jelly | lymeca: imho, it's easier to just back up real ones and use some sort of --one-file-system |
| 18:42.03 | xoz_ | rdiff-backup has examples in its docs |
| 18:42.23 | lymeca | I know I've seen the examples but they don't talk about traversal of mounted filesystems |
| 18:42.36 | lymeca | and they only exclude /proc, /tmp and /mnt |
| 18:43.06 | jelly | lymeca: some OSes don't have /sys |
| 18:43.23 | jelly | Linux 2.4 or anything non-linux |
| 18:43.35 | lymeca | Well I'm working with all Lenny VMs here |
| 18:43.40 | lymeca | so they've all got /sys |
| 18:43.48 | lymeca | And I'm not sure the pros and cons of backing it up |
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| 18:44.05 | jelly | ... |
| 18:44.49 | jelly | lymeca: it's not a disk-backed filesystem, there's no sense in backing it up |
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| 18:44.57 | xoz_ | if you are using debian, it is trivial to reinstall progs so backup only data and configs to save space |
| 18:45.15 | jelly | xoz_: it's far from trivial. |
| 18:45.30 | jelly | esp. if one's doing bare metal recovery |
| 18:45.30 | xoz_ | jelly: in my experience, it is |
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| 18:45.56 | lymeca | I would feel much more comfortable having a complete a snapshot as possible while ditching assuredly useless data like /proc or /tmp |
| 18:46.16 | jelly | xoz_: do you always remember to install packages in the same order? numeric uids and gids will differ if you mess it up |
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| 18:46.42 | jelly | xoz_: some services add their own users/groups |
| 18:46.51 | madsara | Hey gang.... Any way to determine what config options a binary package was built w/? |
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| 18:47.17 | xoz_ | jelly: you can always hack those ids |
| 18:47.45 | cahoot | madsara: IIRC only from the debian.rules file in the src deb |
| 18:48.00 | jelly | xoz_: if you have a good, up to date, recovery plan to handle all the cases like that, sure |
| 18:48.18 | madsara | Thanks cahoot. I'm trying to get pppd to recognize ipv6 as a supported protocol. |
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| 18:49.24 | jelly | xoz_: I backup everything and optimize for human time spent, not for storage used |
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| 18:49.50 | jelly | xoz_: it's simpler and less prone to mistakes |
| 18:50.10 | xoz_ | jelly: in my case, data and configs... and rely on debian's package management for progs and a little of tweaks. |
| 18:51.17 | xoz_ | jelly: backing up /var/lib/dpkg/ is helpful |
| 18:51.23 | jelly | xoz_: I'd hate to lose time on installation and have to take care of differing uids when I can just restore everything on empty partitions |
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| 18:52.07 | jelly | xoz_: do you know exactly what's needed when your machine dies? How much downtime can you live with? |
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| 18:52.42 | xoz_ | i consider backing up programs to be overkill in debian. maybe in other distros... but debs package management for reinstall is always very helpful. |
| 18:53.37 | xoz_ | jelly: i think redundant servers is easier if you want less downtime |
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| 18:54.26 | jelly | xoz_: not everything is or can be made redundant |
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| 18:54.37 | jelly | (given a budget) |
| 18:55.42 | xoz_ | jelly: the decision to backup full or data/config only depends on mileage. so far, backing up data/configs works for me. |
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| 18:55.53 | jelly | not backing up eg. /usr would be exceedingly silly in my case, introducing needless complexity for restore |
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| 18:56.33 | jelly | and it's always less than a few GB of fairly constant fileset |
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| 18:57.31 | jelly | xoz_: well, whatever works for you. hope you have an updated, verified restore procedure :-) |
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| 18:59.13 | xoz_ | jelly: i have 3 different hds for backing up same configs/data :). maybe, it takes time to recover the progs but for me data is more critical... also, i can focus on the most important things by choosing what things to backup instead of *everything*. it makes me think to choose carefully what to backup. |
| 18:59.22 | n-iCe | how can I find files by text? like grep -i... |
| 18:59.42 | xoz_ | !search |
| 18:59.43 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt, or <bot help> |
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| 19:03.39 | xoz_ | n-iCe: use locate. or use find /path -iname "*keyword*" |
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| 19:04.20 | n-iCe | xoz_: no, to locate text inside a file |
| 19:04.30 | n-iCe | grep -i | 'text' * |
| 19:04.30 | jelly | n-iCe: grep -ri :-) |
| 19:04.33 | n-iCe | was something like that, can't remember |
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| 19:04.55 | n-iCe | jelly: grep -ri 'text' ? |
| 19:04.56 | xoz_ | niklas_: grep -ir "tst*" /path |
| 19:04.59 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 19:05.07 | xlotlu | on join spammer |
| 19:05.11 | jelly | only without the * |
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| 19:11.19 | SQlvpapir_ | it feels weird to be happy with stable :D |
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| 19:18.13 | Posterdati | please I got this error compiling under squeeze: commandcompletion.h:46:24: error: QtCore/QHash: No such file or directory |
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| 19:20.20 | bolt | Posterdati: have you done "apt-get build-dep <packagename>" for whatever package you're compiling? |
| 19:20.44 | Posterdati | bolt it is openmodelica a .tar.gz archive |
| 19:21.35 | bolt | Posterdati: then you will need to figure out which libraries and/or extra files you need to get in order to compile it |
| 19:21.49 | bolt | Posterdati: wherever you got it from may have some info |
| 19:22.04 | bolt | SQlvpapir_: never! |
| 19:22.20 | jelly | (or an apt-file search /QtCore/QHash) |
| 19:22.35 | bolt | good point |
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| 19:22.58 | jelly | Posterdati: have you ever compiled a qt4 app? |
| 19:23.10 | SQlvpapir_ | bolt: well for me it does :) I've had an itchy finger at the sourceslist/dist-upgrade button |
| 19:23.39 | Posterdati | jelly: I download the openmodelica sources from their repository then ./configure then make |
| 19:23.48 | bolt | SQlvpapir_: yeh. i ran stable for a while after it came out, then the urge to get testing again overwhelmed me :) i keep to stable for the servers, though |
| 19:23.52 | jelly | Posterdati: sounds like a "no" to me |
| 19:23.57 | Posterdati | jelly: sure |
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| 19:24.56 | jelly | Posterdati: you want to read their docs about what libraries are needed, then figure out which -dev packages from debian to install |
| 19:25.07 | Posterdati | jelly: read, no clue! |
| 19:25.12 | bolt | SQlvpapir_: other than having to fix the sound on my mac mini, the cd burning on my pc and the graphics drivers on my other pc, the transition was pretty smooth too :P |
| 19:25.13 | SQlvpapir | bolt: same with me.. but I've been having a horrible time using fedora the past few days. so stable is a bit more appealing for my laptop now :) |
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| 19:25.27 | robd | Hey guys |
| 19:25.29 | Posterdati | jelly: I installed all required packages |
| 19:25.39 | robd | If I wanted to do an automated PXE install is there an easy way to do that? |
| 19:25.51 | jelly | Posterdati: to build something you'll also want their -dev counterparts |
| 19:25.59 | ktwilight_ | robd, no easy way |
| 19:25.59 | Posterdati | jelly: installed |
| 19:26.06 | robd | I found the netboot PXE support, but I'm hoping to pass a config for disk partitioning and packages to be installed |
| 19:26.20 | robd | ktwilight_: So there's no way to pass a config to the installer? |
| 19:26.29 | jelly | Posterdati: which -dev packages did you install? |
| 19:26.31 | bolt | should be... |
| 19:26.45 | SQlvpapir | bolt: until few days ago I would have been happy with experimental or code not even written yet for my desktop and laptop ;) I've never gone further than a few testing packages on servers though |
| 19:26.45 | ktwilight_ | robd, *shrugs* i know PXE is not an easy cookie |
| 19:26.55 | Posterdati | jelly: the lib and the lib_something_-dev debs |
| 19:26.58 | robd | ktwilight_: So I've already got that working... |
| 19:27.12 | robd | Any Debian developers around? |
| 19:27.12 | ktwilight_ | ah right |
| 19:27.21 | robd | Just curious if there's someone with auto installing experience |
| 19:27.32 | jelly | Posterdati: which ones exactly? |
| 19:27.34 | robd | already has it working wonderfully w/ Red Hat and Windows |
| 19:28.04 | bolt | !tell robd about fai |
| 19:28.09 | jelly | robd: did the install notes not help |
| 19:28.10 | jelly | ? |
| 19:28.12 | bolt | check that one out. might help |
| 19:28.24 | jelly | sorry, release notes |
| 19:28.29 | robd | bolt: Ahh, thanks |
| 19:28.46 | jelly | !release notes |
| 19:28.47 | dpkg | lenny release notes is, like, at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 19:29.08 | k__ | how can not show running processes of a real machine,any user chroot? |
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| 19:30.13 | aaron_ | has anybody had experience with rhode and schwarz signal genarator |
| 19:30.41 | jelly | Posterdati: I'm clueless about Qt4 building as well, but I guess you'll at the very least want to have libqt4-dev and qt4-qmake installed |
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| 19:31.18 | jelly | Posterdati: use apt-file to search for any missing file path parts, like the "QtCore/QHash" above |
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| 19:31.35 | jelly | Posterdati: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:33.54 | laymans_nerd | hey room |
| 19:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey broom |
| 19:34.09 | jelly | hey joe |
| 19:34.21 | laymans_nerd | ----E |
| 19:34.24 | laymans_nerd | broom? |
| 19:34.35 | jelly | !penixstrike laymans_nerd |
| 19:34.35 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking laymans_nerd to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | groom? |
| 19:34.50 | laymans_nerd | is flattened |
| 19:35.09 | laymans_nerd | and too moist for comfort |
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| 19:35.12 | laymans_nerd | lol |
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| 19:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | van lipwick? |
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| 19:36.04 | laymans_nerd | [=|8-)-x-|---< |
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| 19:36.38 | bolt | is confused by this |
| 19:37.05 | k__ | [21:36:33] <uStad> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 19:37.44 | bolt | uStat is spamming onjoin |
| 19:37.50 | stew | i'm on it |
| 19:37.52 | bolt | uStad* |
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| 19:38.10 | k__ | surely |
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| 19:38.46 | bolt | !beer stew |
| 19:38.47 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for stew |
| 19:38.59 | stew | actually someone else took care of it, but thanks for the beer! |
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| 19:39.12 | stew | k__: thanks for reporting it. we're happy to hear if a user is on-join spamming, please don't repeat the spam in the channel in the future (becuaswe that way, you help the spammer do the spamming) :) |
| 19:39.30 | bolt | :D |
| 19:39.35 | k__ | ok |
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| 19:39.58 | carlitos_kyo | somebody knows how to configure xorg, with dpkg-reconfigure only keyboard is configured |
| 19:40.43 | lymeca | So I am backing up a / dir on my server with rdiff-backup and it is taking a longgg time, and the amount of backed up data at the destination is fluctuating...at times shrinking...and I am very confused.a |
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| 19:40.55 | bolt | yay. last server went etch->lenny just now. tested and working. wee! |
| 19:41.11 | module000 | bolt: grats |
| 19:42.12 | CoolCold | lymeca: backuped data takes less space than source data? |
| 19:43.25 | dkr | lymeca: each rdiff-backup s only of things that have changed, so the amount backed up daily obviously woudl fluctuate |
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| 19:44.14 | jelly | and it possibly reclaims space used by the oldest backups |
| 19:44.35 | lymeca | dkr: This is my first time running it though |
| 19:46.04 | lymeca | This behaviour is so weird... not accustomed to rdiff-backup though |
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| 19:46.24 | lymeca | But the destination directory is just at 150MB... then down to 100MB... then up to 350MB then down to 250MB |
| 19:46.33 | lymeca | And it's taking so much longer than straight scp |
| 19:47.00 | dkr | maybe you have some kind of hardlink recursive loop in the src dir? |
| 19:47.27 | hagna | so when this bridge interface br0 gets an ip via dhcp it doesn't get a default route to the gateway. Why is that? |
| 19:47.45 | jair | I am trying to configure the X server display settings (DPMS) standby, suspend, and off but after I set them for first time and reboot the settings change to the default time :( |
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| 19:49.05 | SQlvpapir | oh no I lost my dvb device |
| 19:49.11 | Vorg | I have a couple of computers that currently boot off hda. I'm trying to change them to boot off raid1 with 2 sata drives. I copied hda to /mnt/md0 installed grub on both satas, changed the kernel loctation in /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst from "root=/dev/mda" to "root=/dev/md0" and changed /mnt/etc/fstab. moved the ide down on the boot list in cmos so it would try sata first. I get the boot menu for the raid, but it stops at booting kernel. |
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| 19:50.10 | AndyML | bolt: gnome installed, all is well - now i need help installing iwlwifi/ipw3945. When I try to apt-get install either of those packages i get 'couldn't find package'... |
| 19:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw |
| 19:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the best way to get the miro 2.x from unstable onto lenny? |
| 19:50.36 | cahoot | AndyML: iwl* support is in kernel |
| 19:50.42 | AndyML | in etch? |
| 19:50.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's relying on a different version of libc |
| 19:50.53 | cahoot | AndyML: you need firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | which I personally find kinda scary |
| 19:51.01 | AndyML | awesome, thanks |
| 19:51.09 | Vorg | and raid is built into the kernel |
| 19:52.01 | jair | have anyone get DPMS to work fine on lenny? :( |
| 19:53.24 | cahoot | AndyML: sorry - etch? |
| 19:53.38 | AndyML | yeah... i'm running a distrib for virtualization based on etch |
| 19:53.53 | cahoot | AndyML: scratch what I said then |
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| 19:56.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, put it in xorg.conf? ( /msg dpkg dpms - although that factoid could be a bit more detailed ) |
| 19:56.41 | k__ | how can not show running processes of a real machine,any user chroot? |
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| 19:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | words reoder they sense so make, yoda (i.e. I don't get it) |
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| 20:01.10 | jelly | k__: what's your native language? |
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| 20:01.50 | jelly | k__: that sentence makes does not make sense |
| 20:02.00 | jpinx | k__: hablas español? |
| 20:02.24 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: let me see if there is information on the bot about dpms :) |
| 20:02.28 | jelly | !it |
| 20:02.28 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:02.36 | bolt | puts k__'s words into a large pot and lights a fire underneath |
| 20:02.38 | k__ | italian |
| 20:02.42 | bolt | i'll have something in a few minutes |
| 20:02.47 | magenpie | having trouble installing headers...what is the diff between 2.6.29-1-all_2.6.29-3~snapshot.13357_amd64.deb and 2.6.29-1-all-amd64_2.6.29-3~snapshot.13357_amd64.deb? |
| 20:03.04 | jpinx | !tell k__ about it |
| 20:03.06 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: how do I get the information about "factoid"? |
| 20:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, well, it does - it tells you options to put it in xorg.conf exist |
| 20:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.32 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: checking the file and man pages thank you |
| 20:03.37 | jair | I see |
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| 20:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | the ones in <> brackets are also factoids |
| 20:03.55 | jelly | magenpie: is there a "linux-headers-" missing in those package names? |
| 20:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !standby-sec |
| 20:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 20:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you alive? |
| 20:04.16 | magenpie | i get an error trying to install either one with linux-image-2.6.29-1-amd64_2.6.29-3~snapshot.13357_amd64.deb |
| 20:04.17 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 20:04.30 | magenpie | i just didn't type it...it's there...sorry |
| 20:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, standby-sec |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 20:04.39 | jpinx | hands CutMeOwnThroat a factoid sandwich |
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| 20:04.53 | jelly | magenpie: which error? pastebin the whole output, together with the command you ran" |
| 20:04.54 | magenpie | let me try again and get the exact error |
| 20:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, correction - the ones in <> brackets *should* also be factoids |
| 20:05.02 | magenpie | ok, will do, thanks |
| 20:05.59 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't understand though |
| 20:06.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | understand what |
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| 20:07.45 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I think that I will need to put the "xset dpms 5400 5400 5400" on the (ServerFlag section) |
| 20:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 20:07.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | xset is a command |
| 20:08.05 | Posterdati | <jelly> Posterdati: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:08.05 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: hug!? |
| 20:08.11 | Posterdati | jelly: for what? |
| 20:08.12 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I knoe that |
| 20:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could put that in your .xinitrc |
| 20:08.29 | jelly | Posterdati: to search for files |
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| 20:08.48 | Posterdati | jelly: will it prompt for files in packages? |
| 20:08.49 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: because after I set up the dpms after restart they go back to the same default settings :( |
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| 20:09.28 | jelly | Posterdati: use it to search for QtCore/QHash, install that package, try rebuilding until some other error happens, repeat |
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| 20:10.00 | Posterdati | jelly ok |
| 20:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, man xorg.conf<enter>/dpms |
| 20:10.18 | Posterdati | jelly: Downloading complete file ... |
| 20:10.30 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: got it I found the file debian-base-tc2:/etc/X11/xinit# ls |
| 20:10.30 | jair | xinitrc xserverrc |
| 20:10.31 | jelly | Posterdati: yes? |
| 20:10.59 | jelly | Posterdati: sorry, is there a reason why you're telling me this? |
| 20:10.59 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you very much I will do that and read and check. |
| 20:11.13 | Posterdati | jelly: I did apt-file update |
| 20:11.18 | Posterdati | jelly: nothin... |
| 20:11.32 | jelly | Posterdati: it's "Downloading complete file ..." |
| 20:11.39 | jelly | that's not nothing. |
| 20:11.51 | magenpie | http://pastebin.ca/1387391 |
| 20:12.18 | jelly | Posterdati: it's an informational message telling something is (supposed to be) happening |
| 20:12.23 | bolt | pats jelly on the back |
| 20:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, e.g. Option "StandbyTime" "time" |
| 20:12.49 | jelly | Posterdati: if you have a network traffic applet, you should be able to see it's downloading stuff |
| 20:13.22 | Posterdati | jelly: I search for QtCore and the packages are already installed |
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| 20:13.45 | jelly | Posterdati: which ones? |
| 20:14.03 | Posterdati | jelly: there are several packages |
| 20:14.13 | Posterdati | jelly: and they're all already installed |
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| 20:15.53 | jelly | Posterdati: it's possible your app didn't create its makefiles properly and fails to find existing header files. |
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| 20:16.42 | Posterdati | jelly: crap programming |
| 20:17.00 | DavidProck1981 | read this link And tell me if it could be incorapted into the kernel to make your linux that much faster !!! http://boinc.berkeley.edu/cuda.php |
| 20:17.15 | jelly | !!! |
| 20:17.15 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 20:17.48 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I will try those suggestions. |
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| 20:20.02 | jelly | Posterdati: I suggest you learn the preferred way to build Qt4 apps on Debian from source before blaming the, er, "programming" |
| 20:20.27 | Posterdati | jelly: this is not a qt4 only project |
| 20:21.03 | jelly | Posterdati: that might be, but you're having issues with the qt part. |
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| 20:21.25 | jelly | aways |
| 20:21.51 | Posterdati | jelly: /etc/alternatives/qmake |
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| 20:22.43 | nan`` | Are debian mirrors for old releases such as debian4.0r0 kept anywhere? |
| 20:22.48 | Posterdati | jelly: I've got qt3 and qt4, but qmake was the at3 one |
| 20:22.51 | Posterdati | jelly: I've got qt3 and qt4, but qmake was the qt3 one |
| 20:22.59 | mischief6 | can someone tell me the command to check my dns servers? >.> |
| 20:23.01 | dondelelcaro | nan``: etch is oldstable, so yes. Older releases are in archive.debian.org |
| 20:23.12 | nan`` | thanks! |
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| 20:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, cat /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 20:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | define "check" |
| 20:23.47 | stew | oldstable is still on the mirrors |
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| 20:24.07 | Sashi | hey |
| 20:24.10 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, find out what they are to change them if necessary, and to put them on another host |
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| 20:24.16 | Sashi | ifconfig only displays netmask and bcast ip |
| 20:24.20 | Sashi | how do i know my gateway? |
| 20:24.30 | nan`` | route |
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| 20:24.36 | Sashi | ah |
| 20:24.40 | stew | nan``: do you really need 4.0r0 and not 4.0r7? |
| 20:24.45 | Sashi | what if it says *? |
| 20:24.51 | Sashi | wildcard* |
| 20:25.00 | Sashi | means there none? |
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| 20:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, guess my answer was ok, then :) |
| 20:25.30 | nan`` | do you have a line that starts "default" |
| 20:25.34 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, do i need a domain or search entry..? |
| 20:25.53 | Sashi | yes nan`` |
| 20:26.04 | Sashi | default rbx-9-gw.router 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 20:26.28 | nan`` | that is your gateway |
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| 20:26.41 | stew | Sashi: you might want "route -n" which will show you ip addresses instead of 'rbx-9-gw.router' but that is sayin gthat rbx-9-gw.router is your default gateway |
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| 20:26.58 | daniel2 | finally got usb wireless working on my lenny :D |
| 20:27.16 | mischief6 | do i need a search or domain entry in resolv.conf if this is just a private network? |
| 20:27.35 | Sashi | stew |
| 20:27.39 | Sashi | route -n invalild option |
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| 20:27.51 | stew | Sashi: is this debian? |
| 20:27.51 | wolfe | pb/wc |
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| 20:27.56 | Sashi | yes |
| 20:28.06 | jelly | stew: but... is it Linux? :-) |
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| 20:28.15 | Sashi | lolol jelly |
| 20:28.39 | stew | -n has been a valid option to route as long as I can remember |
| 20:28.46 | jelly | ... in Linux. |
| 20:28.53 | Sashi | well its a different kernel if that makes any diff |
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| 20:29.13 | SQlvpapir | something stole my dvb device :'( |
| 20:29.45 | nan`` | stew: i'm looking specifically for debian4.0r0, and i only see debian4.0r7. Is debian4.0r0 there as well? |
| 20:30.00 | jelly | Sashi: I was half serious. Debian works on kernels other than Linux these days. |
| 20:30.10 | Sashi | :P |
| 20:30.20 | juho3 | has worked for years afaik |
| 20:30.22 | Sashi | ah nvm got it |
| 20:30.35 | mischief6 | can't anyone tell me if i need a domain or search entry in my resolv.conf for a private network? :\ |
| 20:30.42 | Sashi | LOL OH |
| 20:30.46 | Sashi | i didnt see that lolol |
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| 20:30.56 | Sashi | i had written nano /etc... route -n lolol |
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| 20:31.27 | juho3 | hasn't debian gnu/hurd been around for years |
| 20:31.49 | ijuz_ | s/years/decades/ |
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| 20:32.01 | juho3 | myeah whatever |
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| 20:32.14 | juho3 | whee time to install windows on laptop soon ;P |
| 20:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, domain: yesish, search: no |
| 20:32.21 | juho3 | installed debian like a week ago |
| 20:32.21 | carandraug | hi everyone! |
| 20:32.34 | stew | nan``: i don't know. they'd hopefully be not easy to find, as they'd be full of security holes |
| 20:32.41 | juho3 | realized (again) it doesn't suit my needs |
| 20:32.47 | stew | nan``: why, out of curiosity, can you not use 4.0r7 |
| 20:32.53 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, what is 'yesish'? why might i need it? |
| 20:32.59 | asaleem_ | what does v means in the output of aptitude search |
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| 20:33.08 | carandraug | I'm having a problem with a fresh install. I can't update the package list. I haven't install anything yet and I can ping google with no problems. It gives me this error http://pastebin.com/m78e97fae I tried to open security.debian.org and the IP and they are different pages! Is this normal? |
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| 20:33.51 | asaleem_ | carandraug, check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:33.55 | module000 | carandraug: your fresh install has network connectivity? |
| 20:34.02 | aryah_ | well, different kernel existed before too, but it wasnt part of the release. now its unstable, ie its supposed to become a part of some stable release in the future.. I guess this means it will have far more support and stability than before.. |
| 20:34.04 | module000 | er, n/m...obviously it does |
| 20:34.08 | carandraug | module000: yes. I can ping google |
| 20:34.16 | asaleem_ | carandraug, check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:34.30 | carandraug | asaleem_: I already did. WHat should I do there? It's the file hat comes with the standard installation |
| 20:34.54 | asaleem_ | carandraug, do u see any sources? can you ping them? |
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| 20:35.20 | carandraug | asaleem_: I see one deb-source. Let me try to ping |
| 20:35.23 | aryah_ | it would be cool if nexenta ppl tried to make their work into unstable too :) sry, this is probably for offtopic :) |
| 20:35.27 | jpinx | wonders about port 80 being defined in sources.list |
| 20:35.57 | jpinx | carandraug: ^^ and paste your sources.list |
| 20:36.05 | madsara | Hmm... Anyone here have luck w/ IPv6 autoconfiguration? |
| 20:36.12 | carandraug | asaleem_: says security.debian.org is an unknown host |
| 20:37.28 | carandraug | jpinx: can I do that from the tty? I can't connect to the servers to install lynx |
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| 20:38.10 | jpinx | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 20:38.14 | jpinx | carandraug: ^^ |
| 20:38.19 | asaleem_ | carandraug, another mirror |
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| 20:38.49 | asaleem_ | carandraug, is it etch or lenny? |
| 20:38.55 | jpinx | carandraug: are you workign a remote server? |
| 20:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, I'm not sure of the consequences when you remove that :) ... depending on your setup |
| 20:39.21 | carandraug | asaleem_: lenny |
| 20:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, might be used for all kinds of things |
| 20:39.47 | carandraug | jpinx: no. I'm in two computers, connected to different networks |
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| 20:39.51 | asaleem_ | Can you ping any others in sources.list |
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| 20:40.08 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, very nondescript :\ |
| 20:40.11 | Brack102 | Still having trouble with this..With a samba share, everything works great, AD integration, winbind, ACL. It's all groovy. except when I add a group to valid users in smb.conf, members of that group have read permissions to everything in the share without being explicitly grated said permission by an ACL. How can I fix this? smb.conf > http://pastebin.com/m4af548ff |
| 20:40.15 | asaleem_ | Is yes, comment out the one with security and run apt-get update |
| 20:40.39 | jpinx | carandraug: can you ping debian.org? |
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| 20:41.15 | carandraug | pastebin spam filter blocks my sources.list :s |
| 20:41.27 | jpinx | carandraug: paste your sources.list with pastebinit |
| 20:41.35 | carandraug | jpinx: yes, I can ping debian.org |
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| 20:41.38 | asaleem_ | paste each line here |
| 20:41.48 | macman_ | hey |
| 20:41.59 | jpinx | hola macman_ |
| 20:42.07 | asaleem_ | carandraug, can you ping mirror.peer1.net |
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| 20:42.13 | macman_ | can i compress a 2.5ghz iso to like 150 or 250 mb ? if so what compression should i use |
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| 20:42.53 | jpinx | macman_: I believe not - squashfs gets things down to about half |
| 20:42.57 | carandraug | asaleem_: yes I can ping that |
| 20:43.03 | macman_ | huh |
| 20:43.08 | jpinx | and taz, gz, etc are not as good |
| 20:43.09 | macman_ | thats a file system though ? |
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| 20:43.15 | valdyn | macman_: thats a pretty fast iso |
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| 20:43.57 | jpinx | carandraug: did you pastebinit your sources list - we're working in the dark here ;) |
| 20:43.59 | asaleem_ | replace anything http://xx.xx.xx with http://mirror.peer1.net |
| 20:44.07 | asaleem_ | in sources.list |
| 20:44.17 | nan`` | stew: i need it for reproducing software builds |
| 20:44.17 | carandraug | jpinx: I had to use ubuntu pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/147894/ I only removed the CD entries from there since I had to write it by hand |
| 20:44.20 | asaleem_ | and run apt-get update |
| 20:44.44 | carandraug | jpinx: sorry for taking so much time. I had to actually type it from one computer to the other |
| 20:44.52 | statix | I have an ancient Debian Woody server that just sits an runs IP Virtual Server. I logged into it today for the first time in a few months, and when i run simple commands like 'free' i get I/O errors. Anyone know what that could be. |
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| 20:45.03 | asaleem_ | ohh, carandraug, comment out the CD entry and try to install the app you were trying to |
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| 20:45.33 | statix | bash: /usr/bin/free: Input/output error |
| 20:45.34 | asaleem_ | macman_, there is a compression scheme used by game CDs |
| 20:45.40 | asaleem_ | that can do the job |
| 20:45.54 | asaleem_ | But I dont remember what is that called |
| 20:45.57 | carandraug | asaleem_: I was not trying to install anything. Just update the package list so I could search them with aptitude |
| 20:46.02 | Sashi | ack my server froze when i started a vm |
| 20:46.10 | jpinx | carandraug: ok - comment out all but one line and try each line to eliminate the bad one |
| 20:46.14 | carandraug | asaleem_: also, I commented the CD entries and I still get the same erros |
| 20:46.40 | asaleem_ | carandraug, did you try with mirror.peer1.net |
| 20:46.44 | jpinx | carandraug: do a logical process of elimination |
| 20:47.47 | carandraug | asaleem_: yes, I tried that. It worked |
| 20:47.59 | asaleem_ | so you are good to go |
| 20:48.00 | carandraug | jpinx: I did that now. All gave errors |
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| 20:48.24 | asaleem_ | I suspect you have a typo for security.debian.org |
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| 20:48.42 | asaleem_ | carandraug, otherwise there seems no reason it did not work |
| 20:48.56 | jpinx | carandraug: did you tyoe the sources list yourself? |
| 20:49.00 | jpinx | *type |
| 20:49.11 | carandraug | asaleem_: if I have, then it should be in all installs. I didn't change it. It's a fresh install from the official CD I downloaded last week |
| 20:49.47 | asaleem_ | maybe a bug :) |
| 20:49.56 | carandraug | jpinx: I typed for pastebin. But the file is unchanged from what was after install |
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| 20:50.19 | Cips | Coucou la forme |
| 20:50.24 | jpinx | carandraug: try typing each line by hand in nano or similar |
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| 20:50.25 | Cips | Hello |
| 20:50.34 | Cips | French here ? |
| 20:50.48 | jpinx | !fr |
| 20:50.48 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:51.15 | Cips | backtrack here ? |
| 20:51.36 | carandraug | jpinx: what do I mean? I know what nano is, I just don't understand what you want me to do, sorry |
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| 20:52.07 | jpinx | carandraug: in case there are false/bad/unseen characters (a bug) in the lines |
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| 20:52.27 | carandraug | jpinx: ok. I'll try that |
| 20:52.36 | jpinx | carandraug: I am just working through elimination of possible problems I have met myself |
| 20:53.18 | jpinx | isn't clever enough to take shortcuts |
| 20:53.26 | carandraug | jpinx: yes, I understand. Just give me a minute. It will take some extra time 'cos I'm not used to these english keyboards |
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| 20:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | points jpinx to a path through the woods and the huge arrow labled "shortcut" |
| 20:54.06 | jpinx | carandraug: no problem - tyt |
| 20:54.39 | jpinx | doesn't take shortcuts pointed out by people with threatening nicknames |
| 20:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell jpinx -about dibbler |
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| 20:55.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | saussage inna bun? |
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| 20:55.42 | asaleem_ | jpinx, do you have the same problem as carandraug ? |
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| 20:56.24 | jpinx | asaleem_: not now - but I met a problem once when there were unseen line returns in my sources.list |
| 20:56.29 | carandraug | jpinx: it gave me this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/147903/ |
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| 20:56.47 | redrain | Hi, how can i find out if my SATA disk using dma? |
| 20:56.50 | jpinx | asaleem_: it had been copied from a windows filesystem and had nasty things in it |
| 20:56.51 | asaleem_ | ohh, yes that can be revealed by cat |
| 20:57.14 | asaleem_ | jpinx, yes CTRL at the end of each line |
| 20:57.45 | asaleem_ | jpinx, cat -v |
| 20:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | redrain, I think all sata disks do... but try hdparm -i /dev/sda and hdparm -I /dev/sda |
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| 20:58.15 | carandraug | asaleem_: jpinx : hidden characters didn't seem to be the problem. It still gives me errors and cat still gives me errors |
| 20:58.23 | redrain | CutMeOwnThroat, hdparm -i /dev/sda gives only this: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:58.25 | Brack102 | With Samba, how can I make it so that a user added to "valid users" can access a share, but cannot read/write any of the files without being granted explicit permission to do so by an ACL? |
| 20:58.29 | jpinx | carandraug: very odd - try adding contrib to the end of the line |
| 20:58.49 | jpinx | carandraug: what error are you getting with cat? |
| 20:59.02 | redrain | CutMeOwnThroat, Alsa hdparm -I /dev/sda gives: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:59.06 | carandraug | jpinx: no error when I cat the sources.file |
| 20:59.09 | asaleem_ | jpinx, carandraug is saying he can't ping security.debian.org |
| 20:59.15 | carandraug | jpinx: no hidden characters |
| 20:59.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | redrain, well - assuming your disk is sda, of course :) |
| 20:59.35 | asaleem_ | carandraug, use cat -v |
| 20:59.37 | redrain | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes it is |
| 20:59.43 | jpinx | carandraug: sounds like you might have a network problem |
| 20:59.48 | carandraug | asaleem_: I can ping security.debian.org |
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| 21:00.15 | n-iCe | hi |
| 21:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | redrain, I've not seen a disk yet on which hdparm -I fails |
| 21:00.21 | jpinx | carandraug: try ftp instead of http |
| 21:00.23 | asaleem_ | carandraug, how does the complete line looks like |
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| 21:00.56 | redrain | CutMeOwnThroat, What would be the problem? |
| 21:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea |
| 21:01.05 | asaleem_ | something like deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 21:01.23 | asaleem_ | lenny instead of lenny |
| 21:01.31 | asaleem_ | lenny instead of etch |
| 21:01.33 | carandraug | asaleem_: when I ping? 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (IP) |
| 21:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | redrain, "not a device with the disk" is the only likely one I can think of |
| 21:02.21 | jpinx | carandraug: your line should read |
| 21:02.22 | jpinx | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 21:02.46 | redrain | CutMeOwnThroat, does invalid argument mean that? |
| 21:02.48 | asaleem_ | carandraug, on one line |
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| 21:03.10 | sente | hello, earlier today my VPS became unresponsive and for all intents and purposes was shut down. after it restarted I looked at some logs and saw that it was actually up, but i couldn't connect to it or anything. what logs should I check to try and figure out what happened? |
| 21:03.16 | carandraug | asaleem_: jpinx : I added the contrib. Still the same error |
| 21:03.45 | carandraug | asaleem_: I also tried switch lenny with etch. Also get the errors |
| 21:03.47 | asaleem_ | no dot . at the end |
| 21:04.10 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: can you ping security.debian.org? |
| 21:04.11 | asaleem_ | what is the exact error |
| 21:04.17 | carandraug | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 21:04.24 | jpinx | carandraug: there's something else going on with your network |
| 21:04.31 | carandraug | asaleem_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/147903/ |
| 21:04.32 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: then can you telnet security.debian.org 80; ? |
| 21:04.36 | jpinx | carandraug: try ftp instead of http |
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| 21:05.06 | carandraug | jpinx: switching to ftp worked |
| 21:05.08 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: I did some work but still not getting the results at least it looks like nothing have change. Here I have the configuration of the "xset q" => http://paste.debian.net/32997 and the "xorg" => http://paste.debian.net/32998 |
| 21:05.11 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: it's looking like something is blocking outgoing http to specific hosts. |
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| 21:05.25 | jpinx | steps back to let dondelelcaro at it |
| 21:05.36 | asaleem_ | carandraug, you prob with the public key |
| 21:05.42 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: if ftp works, use that. |
| 21:05.46 | carandraug | jpinx: actually, two errors still appeared at the end |
| 21:05.46 | asaleem_ | carandraug, you have prob with the public key |
| 21:05.55 | Sashi | hey any xen users here |
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| 21:06.03 | Elems1 | Is anyone here familiar with samba printing? I have some really slow printing problems with debian, cups, and samba printing from various Vista computers.. |
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| 21:06.07 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: best to just ask your question |
| 21:06.15 | Sashi | hee |
| 21:06.20 | Sashi | how can i delete a xen node |
| 21:06.34 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: as in stop it? or what? |
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| 21:06.42 | Sashi | no delete the image |
| 21:06.46 | carandraug | jpinx: dondelelcaro: asaleem_: should I take the contrib line away and just replace http for ftp? |
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| 21:07.03 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: depends on what you're using for storage. rm, lvmremove, or similar will do it. |
| 21:07.21 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: just replace http with ftp if ftp is working. |
| 21:07.24 | asaleem_ | carandraug, it should be here |
| 21:07.36 | Sashi | oe more thing |
| 21:07.43 | Sashi | how can i get the node to appear on the internet? |
| 21:07.52 | asaleem_ | carandraug is receiving Connection Refused msg when trying to do apt-get update |
| 21:08.22 | asaleem_ | carandraug, do you see something like NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 21:08.30 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: depends on how you want it to appear and your network configuration. Generally you just assign it an ip address, and assuming you're bridging properly, it just works. |
| 21:08.42 | asaleem_ | carandraug, when u do apt-get update |
| 21:08.55 | Sashi | uhh im guess im bridigin? i dont know if i am or not |
| 21:09.24 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: the default is to bridge, yes. In general, it's no different from getting any other machine onto the internet. |
| 21:09.34 | dondelelcaro | (but complex configurations may require different machinations) |
| 21:09.40 | Sashi | well i made the node |
| 21:09.43 | Sashi | but it doesnt seem to appear |
| 21:09.56 | carandraug | asaleem_: no, I don't see any of the kind |
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| 21:09.59 | Sashi | i can do xm conosle which is internal which works |
| 21:10.06 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: did you assign it a publiicly accessible IP? |
| 21:10.08 | Sashi | but when i ssh externally it doesnt work |
| 21:10.13 | Sashi | and yes i did |
| 21:10.29 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: has the machine configured itself to use that IP? |
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| 21:10.33 | Sashi | yes |
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| 21:10.52 | StealthCP_ | hi there |
| 21:10.53 | dondelelcaro | Sashi: then examine the output of traceroute to see what is going on there |
| 21:10.54 | carandraug | dondelelcaro: seems that switching http for ftp didn't solve the problem. The error now is just different |
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| 21:11.06 | StealthCP_ | what version of glibc does Debian 5.0 use? |
| 21:11.08 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: what is the new error? |
| 21:11.26 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 stable |
| 21:11.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:11.42 | Sashi | dondelelcaro: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-xen-on-debian-lenny-amd64 |
| 21:11.45 | asaleem_ | carandraug, try this telnet security.debian.org 80 |
| 21:11.45 | Sashi | i followed that guide |
| 21:11.49 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 4633 kB, Installed size: 10904 kB |
| 21:11.59 | asaleem_ | carandraug, can you connect? |
| 21:12.03 | carandraug | dondelelcaro: just give a minute to type it to pastebin. The computer with errors has no graphical interface and I can't connect to the mirrors to install lynx |
| 21:12.41 | carandraug | asaleem_: says connection refused |
| 21:12.49 | asaleem_ | hmmm |
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| 21:13.00 | dondelelcaro | StealthCP_: see above. Also, see packages.debian.org |
| 21:13.11 | asaleem_ | try the same for google.com |
| 21:13.47 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: if you're getting connection refused, then something in your network is blocking outgoing connections to port 80 |
| 21:13.55 | StealthCP_ | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 21:14.06 | dondelelcaro | carandraug: are you using a proxy? what kind of network is this? |
| 21:14.18 | carandraug | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m5f390781 |
| 21:14.36 | asaleem_ | carandraug, try the same for google.com |
| 21:14.42 | Vorg | anyone know about changing over a runing system to bootable raid? Exactly what needs to be built into the kernel, etc? |
| 21:14.46 | carandraug | dondelelcaro: I'm behind a university proxy |
| 21:15.17 | carandraug | asaleem_: telnet www.google.com ? Gave me connection refused as well |
| 21:15.57 | asaleem_ | carandraug, as dondelelcaro said you have a network problem |
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| 21:16.24 | asaleem_ | carandraug, a firewall or something is blocking access to port 80 |
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| 21:17.36 | carandraug | asaleem_: I used a DSL live CD on this computer to see if there was any problem and I went to google with firefox |
| 21:18.27 | asaleem_ | check iptables -L |
| 21:18.28 | carandraug | asaleem_: I gave them the HWaddr of the network card so I could use the network |
| 21:18.50 | carandraug | asaleem_: empty. No rules in there |
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| 21:19.04 | asaleem_ | carandraug, give them a call |
| 21:19.22 | macman_ | any ideas on how to use squashfs to compress a file |
| 21:19.23 | asaleem_ | carandraug, it is definitely related to network |
| 21:19.40 | carandraug | asaleem_: it's 10PM here, I'm alone in the lab and they're gone for Easter holidays |
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| 21:20.15 | valdyn | Vorg: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/ |
| 21:20.24 | asaleem_ | carandraug, enjoy the vacation and try it again with fresh mind |
| 21:20.47 | Vorg | I have the arrays working, but can't seem to boot from it |
| 21:20.49 | asaleem_ | carandraug, sometimes it works that way |
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| 21:21.55 | carandraug | asaleem_: you don't have vacations in research! I'm just setting up this computer so I can start leaving my laptop at home. My back is killing me. Walking 2 hours each day with 3Kg in my back... |
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| 21:23.05 | asaleem_ | carandraug, do mtr www.google.com and see where the connection breaks |
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| 21:23.38 | carandraug | asaleem_: there's no mtr in tha base install |
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| 21:24.06 | asaleem_ | carandraug, ohh ya |
| 21:24.14 | carandraug | asaleem_: I'll power off and boot the DSL again just to make sure that nothing changed in the network between yesterday (when I tested it) and today |
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| 21:25.07 | asaleem_ | and if it worked there, note down the HWAddress |
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| 21:25.49 | carandraug | asaleem_: I thought the HWAddress was dependent on the hardware only |
| 21:25.53 | mat__ | hi... i use debian testing whit 2 screen (twenview) and i have a problem whit kwin... after upgrade kwin is 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 and whit this version, maximise windows is broken... |
| 21:26.08 | asaleem_ | carandraug, yes but can be changed |
| 21:26.45 | carandraug | asaleem_: the only thing I need to do with firefox |
| 21:26.49 | asaleem_ | carandraug, you may have a firewall or something between u and dsl provider |
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| 21:27.11 | BLEY | HOLA :o HOLA |
| 21:27.20 | BLEY | KIEN ESDE AKI |
| 21:27.33 | BLEY | UNA MUJER |
| 21:27.37 | adama1 | BLEY: English only |
| 21:27.45 | mat__ | can someone help me? |
| 21:27.51 | BLEY | ESPAÑOL |
| 21:27.53 | carandraug | asaleem_: is to change the network settings from "direct connection to the internet" for "Auti-detect proxy settings for this network" |
| 21:28.02 | adama1 | !es |
| 21:28.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:28.08 | BLEY | ALGUIEN K HABLE ESPAÑOL |
| 21:28.51 | adama1 | mat__: what is your question? |
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| 21:29.02 | mat__ | adama1, |
| 21:29.06 | mat__ | i use debian testing whit 2 screen (twenview) and i have a problem whit kwin... after upgrade kwin is 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2 and whit this version, maximise windows is broken... |
| 21:29.14 | jpinx | !tell BLEY about es |
| 21:29.21 | BLEY | KKKKKKKKKK |
| 21:29.25 | carandraug | asaleem_: if I try "telnet www.google.com" in DSL I still get connection refused |
| 21:29.29 | mat__ | I have the same bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518786 |
| 21:29.30 | asaleem_ | carandraug, where is that settings |
| 21:29.50 | asaleem_ | carandraug, you have to add 80 at the end |
| 21:30.04 | asaleem_ | telnet www.google.com 80 |
| 21:30.16 | carandraug | asaleem_: even with the 80 I still get connection refused |
| 21:30.21 | BLEY | ESMUK_00@HOTMAIL.COM |
| 21:30.21 | asaleem_ | ok |
| 21:30.25 | SQlvpapir_ | anyone in here got hdaps in their thinkpad working to park the hdd head? |
| 21:30.28 | mat__ | adama1, i have downgrade whit dpkg -i kwin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb but is still broken |
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| 21:31.20 | carandraug | asaleem_: to work in firefox, I open the menu preferences and then Advanced>Network>Settings |
| 21:31.31 | stew | BLEY: english only in here |
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| 21:32.25 | adama1 | mat__: It looks like you need to downgrade all of kdebase |
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| 21:32.59 | carandraug | or I can give direction for the automatic proxy configuration www.nuigalway.ie/proxy.pac |
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| 21:33.15 | asaleem_ | carandraug, it should be set to direct |
| 21:33.31 | carandraug | dondelelcaro: I have the automatic proxy configuration file from the network? WIll that be of any help? |
| 21:33.49 | carandraug | asaleem_: not on the university. WIth direct I can't connect |
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| 21:33.54 | mat__ | adama1, if i downgrade kwin whit aptitude, aptitude want remove: kde-core, kdebase, kde-devel and kdebase-dev |
| 21:33.55 | asaleem_ | carandraug, because thats how apt-get will work |
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| 21:34.33 | adama1 | mat__: I don't know, sorry... I don't use KDE |
| 21:34.53 | jpinx | mat__: I dn't think apt supports downgraading |
| 21:35.20 | jpinx | mat__: you will have to do aptitude purge and then aptitude install the lesser version |
| 21:35.28 | BLEY | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.38 | Manoj | individual debian packages do not support downgrading either. Some of them might just work on downgrades, anayway, but that is the user getting lucky |
| 21:35.40 | mat__ | jpinx, can you help me? |
| 21:35.41 | Wyzard | jpinx: It's possible to get aptitude to downgrade packages, but it won't do so ordinarily because the packages themselves may not support it |
| 21:35.41 | carandraug | asaleem_: but I can't connect directly |
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| 21:36.25 | carandraug | asaleem_: with pidgin on my laptop, I had to configure the HTTP to "wpad.suite.blocks.l3.nuigalway.ie:8080" |
| 21:36.37 | jpinx | !tell mat__ about downgrade |
| 21:37.25 | mat__ | jpinx, , i have downgrade whit dpkg -i kwin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb but is still broken |
| 21:37.27 | Sashi | dondelelcaro you wouldnt know the problem would ya |
| 21:38.15 | jpinx | mat__ that just installs on top of existing, it didn't necessarily remove the later version |
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| 21:38.51 | jpinx | mat__ you could try aptitude purge <unwanted version> |
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| 21:39.01 | jelly-home | jpinx: what what? |
| 21:39.08 | jpinx | mat__: - yu should use aptitude for all this |
| 21:39.16 | asaleem_ | carandraug, try to add that as default gateway |
| 21:39.20 | jelly-home | jpinx: dpkg doesn't have "installs on top of existing" |
| 21:39.32 | jpinx | !tell mat__ about why aptitude |
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| 21:40.49 | jpinx | mat__: so I revert to my orginal advice - aptitude purge <unwanted version> and then aptitude install <wanted version> |
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| 21:41.28 | mat__ | jpinx, and dependencies? |
| 21:41.39 | jelly-home | mat__: aptitude install foo=version |
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| 21:41.56 | jpinx | !tell mat__ about aptitude |
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| 21:42.14 | jelly-home | mat__: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy kwin |
| 21:42.17 | magenpie | http://pastebin.ca/1387391 |
| 21:42.22 | jpinx | jelly-home: I think it's KDE he's downgrading |
| 21:42.38 | jelly-home | jpinx: which kwin is a part of, yes |
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| 21:43.15 | enouf | "dpkg-reconfigure ?dm" ? |
| 21:43.26 | jpinx | magenpie: what is your problem? |
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| 21:43.30 | mat__ | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/3zfU6m74.html |
| 21:43.54 | jpinx | magenpie: you need to install the required package to resolve the dependency |
| 21:44.21 | enouf | oh .. it's a legitimate bug, then nm |
| 21:44.29 | jvogel | Anyone install Debian on Dell Mini 9? |
| 21:44.34 | jpinx | magenpie: this would not be a problem if you used aptitude |
| 21:44.48 | enouf | nobody .. ever .. not even people who have done it |
| 21:44.54 | jelly-home | mat__: you don't have any version other than what's in testing enabled |
| 21:45.20 | enouf | apt-get -f install ? |
| 21:45.37 | magenpie | ok then...i'll try aptitude! |
| 21:45.38 | jelly-home | mat__: where did you get that 3.5.9 package from? |
| 21:46.07 | carandraug | asaleem_: it's working now.I read "man apt.conf", created the file "/etc/apt.conf" and added a line with the proxy configuration |
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| 21:46.25 | enouf | you mean /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 21:46.30 | carandraug | asaleem_: you know I can set this to all the system? |
| 21:46.46 | enouf | there's also the ../../conf.d/* |
| 21:46.47 | carandraug | enouf: yes, that's what I meant. Sorry |
| 21:46.53 | enouf | no worries |
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| 21:47.08 | mat__ | jelly-home, frome here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522624 |
| 21:47.17 | mat__ | http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/pool/main/k/kdebase/kwin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb |
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| 21:48.14 | enouf | prepares for a much needed late-afternoon nap |
| 21:48.18 | carandraug | enouf: where is that? Isn't there a system variable that I can set? Or do I have to do this for every programs that requires connection to the internet? |
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| 21:48.36 | enouf | export HTTP_PROXY= ? |
| 21:48.57 | enouf | man apt.conf ;-) |
| 21:49.02 | jelly-home | enouf: http_proxy is lowercase |
| 21:49.08 | Sashi | i need xen help :P |
| 21:49.10 | enouf | no it isn't |
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| 21:49.17 | enouf | it can be either |
| 21:49.18 | redtonia | hihi |
| 21:49.19 | jelly-home | mat__: all right. And what is still broken? |
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| 21:49.43 | TCW | re |
| 21:49.51 | enouf | i /might/ be mistaken .. but i doubt it |
| 21:50.10 | mat__ | jelly-home, dpkg -i kwin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb did not solve the problem |
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| 21:50.28 | jelly-home | enouf: it was introduced as a lowercase env. variable; I've never seen the uppercase variant in use |
| 21:50.48 | redtonia | debian4 worked perfect and i loved it i put debian 5 on now it just does the command line |
| 21:50.48 | jelly-home | mat__: oh. |
| 21:50.50 | gewt | Reloading MySQL database server: mysqld/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 21:50.50 | gewt | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password:YES)' |
| 21:50.54 | enouf | what problem .. maximizing windows in KDE? Flush your cache and kill any Ksycoca shit |
| 21:50.55 | gewt | i can't restart mysql -.- |
| 21:50.59 | mat__ | jelly-home, ? |
| 21:51.20 | jpinx | redtonia: how did you upgrade? |
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| 21:51.27 | gewt | how can I fix my issue? |
| 21:51.37 | redtonia | clean install |
| 21:51.38 | enouf | jelly-home: i see .. so .. jury is out, because i'm not certain, though i've seen it in uppercase |
| 21:51.47 | jelly-home | mat__: I'm clueless about kde. Naturally, you logged off and back on before trying it again> |
| 21:51.48 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:52.00 | jpinx | redtonia: netinstall or CD? |
| 21:52.04 | mat__ | yes i have restart pc |
| 21:52.09 | TCW | installed amd64 on an asus P5LD2-SE with a c2d e6600 and 4GB RAM but only 3,4GB are shown? Did I miss something? |
| 21:52.19 | redtonia | net install |
| 21:52.26 | enouf | mat__: ask #debian-kde about kde4 crao |
| 21:52.46 | mat__ | must i try aptitude purge <unwanted version> and then aptitude install <wanted version>? |
| 21:52.49 | Sashi | hey uhh |
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| 21:52.49 | jelly-home | enouf: wget doesn't work w/ HTTP_PROXY |
| 21:52.52 | jpinx | redtonia: ok - and what did you select - the standard install or desktop r what? |
| 21:52.54 | enouf | TCW: you either want a -bigmem kernel or an amd64 arch one |
| 21:53.02 | enouf | jelly-home: ok .. noted |
| 21:53.12 | TCW | enouf, "installed amd64" guess what kernel is installed ;) |
| 21:53.13 | redtonia | its a 450mhz p2 256 ram 32mhz gram |
| 21:53.22 | enouf | oh |
| 21:53.26 | Sashi | Configuring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 21:53.26 | Sashi | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 21:53.43 | redtonia | im not sure it was the default |
| 21:53.54 | enouf | TCW: er .. check in your BIOS for memory hole remap settings - set it to above the 4G mark |
| 21:53.55 | mat__ | jelly-home, |
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| 21:54.03 | mat__ | aptitude purge kwin |
| 21:54.09 | jelly-home | enouf: guessing can make things worse, it's better to just answer stuff you really know something about |
| 21:54.12 | tuv | flash videos make strange sounds when firefox has been running for a while.. anybody having this problem? solutions? |
| 21:54.15 | mat__ | Rimuovere i seguenti pacchetti: |
| 21:54.16 | mat__ | kde-core |
| 21:54.16 | mat__ | kde-devel |
| 21:54.16 | mat__ | kdebase |
| 21:54.16 | mat__ | kdebase-dev |
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| 21:54.18 | TCW | enouf, lemme see... |
| 21:54.21 | jpinx | redtonia: do dpkg -l | grep x |
| 21:54.25 | enouf | TCW: your installation is i386, correct? |
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| 21:54.29 | mat__ | ops |
| 21:54.37 | jelly-home | mat__: pastebin ftw! |
| 21:54.41 | tuv | once i quit firefox and start it again, flash videos work fine |
| 21:54.56 | enouf | jelly-home: i'm not guessing - i can be wrong though ,... and so can anyone else including you |
| 21:55.12 | jpinx | redtonia: I want to see what you have installed for running x |
| 21:55.25 | jpinx | redtonia: did you try doing startx ? |
| 21:55.37 | mat__ | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/LkvhTx50.html |
| 21:55.48 | jair | here is my output from before and after edited the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file => "xset q" => http://paste.debian.net/32997 and here is the the "xorg.conf" => http://paste.debian.net/32998 why I do still see the times set to the default on the "xset q" command? |
| 21:56.01 | redtonia | no im kinda a n00b still :/ |
| 21:56.04 | TCW | enouf, oops... even BIOS only sees 3,456MB RAM.... |
| 21:56.21 | jpinx | redtonia: no problem - do startx |
| 21:56.32 | jair | I am trying to configure "dpms" on my desktop machine and can't get it to turn off the monitor after two hours or so. |
| 21:56.34 | enouf | TCW: whoops :-P |
| 21:56.37 | redtonia | okay |
| 21:57.06 | mat__ | jelly-home, ? |
| 21:57.09 | TCW | enouf, that is not possible... 1,5G modules don't exist |
| 21:57.12 | jelly-home | mat__: yes? |
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| 21:57.22 | mat__ | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/LkvhTx50.html |
| 21:57.27 | jelly-home | mat__: what about it? |
| 21:57.30 | enouf | TCW: er ... sure it's possible |
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| 21:57.47 | mat__ | this is resul of apt-get purge kwin |
| 21:57.50 | jelly-home | mat__: I mean, is there a question? Why are you trying to do that? |
| 21:57.52 | mat__ | sorry |
| 21:57.52 | TCW | enouf, apart from RAM broken? |
| 21:57.54 | enouf | TCW: and they are called DIMMs, not modules |
| 21:58.08 | enouf | RAM is broken ,.,.. or slots/banks/ranks |
| 21:58.20 | enouf | or BIOS sucks huge ass |
| 21:58.26 | enouf | smelly hairy ass |
| 21:59.10 | enouf | heh, the last M does indeed stand for Module ... sorry |
| 21:59.28 | hetOrakel | hi, i'm also having the strange sound problem with flash. after down-upping firefox the sound is back ok |
| 21:59.32 | enouf | just equates module with kernel all the time |
| 21:59.56 | TCW | enouf, Dual Inline Memory Module... yes |
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| 22:00.06 | enouf | hetOrakel: it's hogging your /dev/dsp likely, use fuser and lsof to se |
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| 22:00.09 | enouf | see* |
| 22:00.24 | enouf | install alsa-oss if you haven't hetOrakel |
| 22:00.25 | TCW | enouf, so your guess is "hardware / BIOS buggy"? |
| 22:00.33 | enouf | yes |
| 22:00.41 | TCW | crap! |
| 22:00.51 | enouf | if your BIOS sees no more than what you think it should ... guess what? |
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| 22:01.09 | TCW | enouf, sure... linux can't do anything about it, I know |
| 22:01.23 | jelly-home | mat__: you don't have a stable repo enable to do a "aptitude install kwin=4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6"; you'd have to add one if you wanted that to work. |
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| 22:01.33 | enouf | TCW: possible one of the DIMMs is single-sided .. oh .. is that a s939 pre-Venus AMD64 CPU ? |
| 22:01.43 | enouf | er Venice |
| 22:02.02 | jair | I want to be able of configure the monitor to turn off after an hour thirty minutes. :( |
| 22:02.05 | jelly-home | mat__: however, mixing releases can introduce further instability; you're on your own there |
| 22:02.13 | enouf | TCW: actually .. even when my BIOS didn't detect both my optical drives .. the kernel did! |
| 22:02.18 | TCW | enouf," <TCW> installed amd64 on an asus P5LD2-SE with a c2d e6600 and 4GB RAM but only 3,4GB are shown? Did I miss something?" <- ehrm :) |
| 22:02.24 | jelly-home | jair: in X? |
| 22:02.32 | enouf | TCW: crap .. again .. my bad |
| 22:02.41 | TCW | enouf, in13h devices are different there |
| 22:03.06 | hetOrakel | enouf: i installed alsa-oss, that should fix it? |
| 22:03.09 | jair | jelly-home: well I do not have the graphical tools installed on the gnome environment I am using |
| 22:03.10 | TCW | int13h even... at least that is the interrupt where the drives are for the BIOS calls iirc |
| 22:03.28 | jelly-home | jair: that's a "yes, in X" I gather? |
| 22:03.33 | jair | jelly-home: here is my output from before and after edited the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file => "xset q" => http://paste.debian.net/32997 and here is the the "xorg.conf" => http://paste.debian.net/32998 why I do still see the times set to the default on the "xset q" command? |
| 22:03.48 | jair | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:04.26 | jpinx | redtonia: how is it going now? |
| 22:04.49 | TCW | enouf, I'll check the mainboard manual.. the "SE" in its name makes me thinking... as in "crappy limited low cost crap mainboard" |
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| 22:05.15 | jelly-home | jair: my very quick reading of man xorg.conf suggests options in Section "ServerFlags" to be equivalent to xset dpms ... |
| 22:05.29 | jelly-home | jair: man xorg.conf, search for DPMS |
| 22:05.58 | deqc | is officel chan debian?? |
| 22:06.07 | enouf | TCW: eww .. and ouch |
| 22:06.12 | jelly-home | jair: that is, you seem to have put the option in wrong section |
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| 22:06.31 | jair | jelly-home: I did that already and I did not see anything about ServerFlags :( |
| 22:06.52 | TCW | enouf, why? Is manual reading THAT bad? ;) |
| 22:07.00 | enouf | hetOrakel: i would think so - i don't allow SWF FlashcrapPoopShit on my systems .. |
| 22:07.18 | enouf | hetOrakel: but i do watch Youtube things that are FLV files |
| 22:07.25 | jelly-home | jair: which debian release are you using? I'm reading man xorg.conf from testing, |
| 22:07.52 | jair | I am actually on the doc :) |
| 22:08.02 | jair | jelly-home: I found the section you are talking about |
| 22:08.14 | jelly-home | jair: note that Section "ServerFlags" doesn't exist by default |
| 22:08.26 | enouf | TCW: no .. but there's only one area (in the BIOS) that would fix that, if it is fixable (or the Mainboard's Chipset really sucks donkey gonads) and i've already told you what that was |
| 22:09.03 | jair | jelly-home: so basically i will need to add the section and put the standby, suspend and off :) |
| 22:09.12 | jair | I see |
| 22:09.17 | enouf | TCW: is one of your DIMMs different? how many DIMMs are in? wrong Slot order perhaps? |
| 22:09.43 | jelly-home | jair: or you can run xset dpms ... as a manual auto-starting command in gnome session. |
| 22:10.06 | TCW | enouf, the manual states "memory modules Supports up to 4 GB system memory" so much for that thought... let me have a look at the DIMM layout, one sec |
| 22:10.11 | jelly-home | jair: I'm a bit surprised that Gnome doesn't have a control panel applet for that |
| 22:10.20 | enouf | TCW: right |
| 22:10.24 | jelly-home | jair: kde3 does |
| 22:10.56 | jair | jelly-home: that is true |
| 22:11.07 | jair | jelly-home: I think gnome will do that too. |
| 22:11.07 | TCW | Oh crap! |
| 22:11.37 | enouf | ... |
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| 22:11.48 | TCW | enouf, on bank one two different modules... I almost bet one is only 512MB... :/ |
| 22:11.59 | enouf | heh |
| 22:12.05 | jair | jelly-home: I will play with tha setting on the xorg.conf and see if I can get it to work, what i really can't completely understand is, what suspend does as difference from standby and off on the monitor and X |
| 22:12.06 | enouf | and D'oh!@ |
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| 22:13.08 | enouf | jair: it's all ACPI related |
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| 22:13.09 | TCW | Do I want to take the modules out there? *quarell with myself* |
| 22:13.32 | TCW | No I don'T... but I do it nevertheless :/ |
| 22:13.41 | enouf | sleeps |
| 22:14.25 | jelly-home | jair: please find the DPMS specs and inform me as well! |
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| 22:15.29 | jelly-home | jair: afair, CRT monitors had different power-saving modes |
| 22:16.09 | enouf | jair: last though before i pass iout .. ensure no /etc/apm* .. or anything in /etc/default/* is getting in the way |
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| 22:17.01 | jair | jelly-home: ok I will let you know |
| 22:17.07 | jair | enouf: I will let you know |
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| 22:18.49 | jelly-home | jair: heh, I don't really care... that was tongue-in-cheek |
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| 22:20.11 | TCW | enouf, nope... Kingston seems to have changed the DIMMs a bit, 3 different modules but all have the same number and size: kvr667d2n5/1g |
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| 22:21.05 | TCW | oops... good night enouf and thanks for the help :) |
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| 22:23.08 | jair | jelly-home: ohhh ok :) |
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| 22:23.16 | jair | jelly-home: Thank you though for your help |
| 22:23.21 | jelly-home | np |
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| 22:26.30 | pablo | hi, if foo (binary) uses a shared library (bar.so) which also uses a shared library (lal.so), will foo have a shared library dependency with lal.so? can that be avoided? |
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| 22:27.54 | pickcoder | pablo: sure.. compile it as a static binary |
| 22:28.32 | pickcoder | that kinda defeats the efficiency of shared libs though |
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| 22:29.43 | pablo | pickcoder: mm no, dont want it static |
| 22:30.09 | pickcoder | if bar.so uses functions in lal.so then have to install whatever provides it |
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| 22:31.27 | pablo | pickcoder: right |
| 22:32.07 | pablo | pickcoder: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: dependency on libcrypt.so.1 could be avoided if foo were not uselessly linked against it (they use none of its symbols |
| 22:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, your bar.so library has the dependency... |
| 22:32.12 | jelly-home | pablo: the package for foo won't have a dependency on liblal, though |
| 22:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | not the program |
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| 22:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | whenever bar.so implements the stuff itself instead of the library, the dependency vanishes |
| 22:32.45 | pablo | jelly-home: it is actually generating that dependency |
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| 22:32.51 | jelly-home | pablo: that means foo was possibly uselessly linked with -lcrypt |
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| 22:33.36 | pablo | jelly-home: mmm |
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| 22:34.11 | jelly-home | just like the message says! |
| 22:34.23 | enouf | pablo: maybe man dh_make and friends can help |
| 22:34.48 | enouf | (as far as packaging is concerned) |
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| 22:35.28 | enouf | needed a quick bite before passing out .. |
| 22:35.30 | jelly-home | maybe foo's Makefile (or whatever) needs fixing. |
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| 22:36.51 | pablo | jelly-home: are you sure the only posibility is that i is actually linking to that library in the makefile? |
| 22:36.56 | enouf | jair: also, check your power management settings in the BIOS .. toggle them and retry ... |
| 22:37.12 | jelly-home | pablo: no |
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| 22:37.37 | jair | enouf: good point |
| 22:37.41 | jair | thank you enouf |
| 22:38.00 | enouf | jair: np |
| 22:38.38 | pipegeek | Is there a way to look up USER_HZ for the running kernel? Is it buried in /proc somewhere I'm not aware of? |
| 22:38.49 | pbi | hi, anyone knows why would icedove (2.0.0.19-1) ignore my network.protocol-handler.app.http setting ? |
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| 22:39.28 | pbi | and always pick firefox ? |
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| 22:39.58 | enouf | you have that set somewhere within your bloated DE config |
| 22:40.18 | jelly-home | pipegeek: I thought USER_HZ was always 100 |
| 22:40.35 | enouf | too |
| 22:40.37 | pipegeek | Is that true? OK |
| 22:40.50 | enouf | check kernel /Documentation |
| 22:40.51 | pipegeek | I thought it had gone to 1000 in recent kernels |
| 22:40.53 | pipegeek | ok |
| 22:41.08 | phanter | he there... I have this strange thing in my output stream. Please see: http://rafb.net/p/gbO6bL72.html |
| 22:41.13 | pipegeek | just want to know how to interpret /proc/stat |
| 22:41.16 | phanter | Who can explain the "?" there ??? |
| 22:41.26 | enouf | i'm pretty sure it /was/ true .. if it changed .. then so be it |
| 22:41.28 | jelly-home | pipegeek: there's a getconf something to get it, but I can't find it right now |
| 22:41.39 | pipegeek | ok, thank you, I appreciate it |
| 22:42.21 | phanter | it is my console output of the ls -al command. |
| 22:42.54 | enouf | pipegeek: for ex; one hit is http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt#L894 |
| 22:42.58 | pipegeek | CLK_TCK, incidentally |
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| 22:43.40 | enouf | interrupt HZ !== USER_HZ |
| 22:43.49 | pipegeek | ah |
| 22:43.53 | enouf | er - one = ;-) |
| 22:44.05 | enouf | and NO_HZ has nothing to with either of those |
| 22:44.05 | pipegeek | which would explain why those numbers have meaning even on a kernel with NO_HZ = 1 |
| 22:44.10 | pipegeek | hahaha |
| 22:44.13 | pipegeek | well, ok then |
| 22:44.23 | enouf | NO_HZ == Dynamic Tick |
| 22:44.56 | enouf | meaning the CPU will sleep to conserve 10 watts of your craptop battery |
| 22:45.28 | mat__ | jpinx, are you here? |
| 22:45.34 | enouf | really needs to pass out ... |
| 22:45.44 | jelly-home | mat__: just ask away |
| 22:45.53 | enouf | crap .. now i'll only get in an hour ... |
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| 22:46.23 | mat__ | but i have jast ask my question... |
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| 22:47.19 | Sashi | any xen users here? :( |
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| 22:48.10 | phanter | Sashi: I am a user... |
| 22:48.16 | Sashi | of xen? |
| 22:48.34 | Sashi | you use xen phanter? |
| 22:48.43 | phanter | Sashi: yes (as that was your question... wasn't it?) |
| 22:48.47 | Sashi | :P |
| 22:49.00 | Sashi | well i cant seem to get my guest os on the public internet |
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| 22:49.19 | Sashi | ssh only works internally |
| 22:49.21 | mat__ | re-ask.... hei guys i heve the problem after updating kwin. i use twinview of nvidia (xinerama in xorg is set to0). after updating when maximise a window, this extebd on both screen... i have find this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522624 |
| 22:49.26 | Wyzard | How can I find out which process owns a given D-Bus bus name, such as "org.gtk.vfs.MountTracker"? |
| 22:49.41 | Sashi | actually nvm phanter ssh doesnt even work |
| 22:49.47 | Sashi | its only xm console |
| 22:50.01 | phanter | Sashi: now you lost me :s |
| 22:50.12 | Sashi | phanter: xen.. |
| 22:50.20 | phanter | yes, ssh does not work? |
| 22:50.38 | Sashi | no my node |
| 22:50.39 | Sashi | doesnt work |
| 22:51.02 | jpinx | mat__: yea |
| 22:51.05 | mat__ | nobody answer me? |
| 22:51.14 | phanter | wel xm create (name of the thingy) should do the job then |
| 22:51.19 | mat__ | jpinx, hi... can you helpme? |
| 22:51.22 | phanter | mat__: missed your question/ |
| 22:51.32 | jpinx | too |
| 22:51.47 | jetscreamer | you're supposed to say 'no i'm not here' |
| 22:51.52 | jetscreamer | s/say/type/ |
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| 22:52.17 | mat__ | phanter, jpinx have i to repeat? |
| 22:52.22 | jetscreamer | i think he just wans the massive intellect of jpinx to help |
| 22:52.28 | jetscreamer | t |
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| 22:53.27 | jelly-home | mat__: it's, in essence, a "don't use testing if you can't deal with breakage" issue |
| 22:53.28 | phanter | well, I could try to give an answer without knowing the question... but |
| 22:54.46 | jelly-home | mat__: did you log off and log on again after downgrading kwin to version from stable? |
| 22:54.46 | mat__ | jelly, i'm italian. can you repeat whit another words? |
| 22:54.50 | Sashi | is |
| 22:54.54 | Sashi | xen the only paravvir? |
| 22:54.54 | jpinx | mat__: what jelly-home said |
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| 22:55.39 | mat__ | jelly-home, yes.... dpkg -i kwin_3.5.9.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb end after re-log.... |
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| 22:55.52 | phanter | Sashi: well, i suggest a google search on that. I am sure that the answer is "no", but that the other options have diffent positive and negative sides |
| 22:55.52 | mat__ | but whit aptitude i not try |
| 22:56.03 | jelly-home | mat__: it won't make any difference |
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| 22:56.38 | mutable_malachi | Has the keyring changed at all at any point in these past few months? |
| 22:56.41 | madsara | Anyone here got IPv6 stateless autoconfiguration working? |
| 22:56.56 | madsara | I'm getting the prefixes but not auto configuring them for some reason. |
| 22:56.56 | mutable_malachi | I get that "install these packages without verification" line, and I shouldn't, because my apt keys appear to be up-to-date. |
| 22:57.13 | mat__ | jelly-home, bu if i use aptitude purge kwin the system tells me: http://rafb.net/p/TYgESt78.html understand my italian log? |
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| 22:57.33 | phanter | I have a question as well, when I do ls -al I get a lot of "?" in my listing (see http://rafb.net/p/gbO6bL72.html). I mounted some folder there (via ssh). How does this happen and how can I resolve it? |
| 22:57.52 | jelly-home | mat__: run your commands with LANG=C in front to get English output |
| 22:58.14 | tictac | any idea why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt prompt me for any video card settings? |
| 22:58.27 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 22:58.35 | tictac | why? |
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| 22:58.47 | mat__ | jelly-home, aptitude purge kwin LANG=C ? |
| 22:58.50 | mutable_malachi | tictac: I've noticed that it hasn't done that in the past couple iterations. I think it's supposed to do it automagically now. |
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| 22:59.00 | jelly-home | mat__: LANG=C aptitude purge kwin |
| 22:59.02 | tictac | its always done it for me until now. |
| 22:59.03 | jetscreamer | well either you need -plow (or is it high) or what he said |
| 22:59.09 | jelly-home | tictac: until lenny. |
| 22:59.11 | phanter | tictac: isn't that because xorg uses a different way to find the settings (automaticaly instead of via the xorg.conf). |
| 22:59.17 | jelly-home | tictac: that part was thrown out. |
| 22:59.18 | phanter | (since lenny that is) |
| 22:59.27 | tictac | oh. so how is it done now? |
| 22:59.33 | jetscreamer | you can just change on the fly with xrandr, or edit xorg.conf manually |
| 22:59.37 | mat__ | jelly-home, now is english http://rafb.net/p/5eSIyP37.html |
| 22:59.38 | phanter | It sill uses the xorg.conf, but differetly |
| 22:59.52 | tictac | so there is no ncurses utility used to configure video settings anymore? |
| 22:59.54 | jetscreamer | i do both, personally |
| 23:00.11 | jetscreamer | (my highest rez is not autodetected) |
| 23:00.18 | phanter | tictac: you can still edit the xorg.conf manually and the changes will be taken into account by X11 |
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| 23:00.23 | mat__ | jelly-home, as you can see, system want remove those packages |
| 23:00.27 | tictac | bah |
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| 23:00.38 | jelly-home | mat__: yup. That's expected. |
| 23:00.42 | jetscreamer | mat__: sid? |
| 23:00.42 | tictac | somehow lenny wiped out my old xorg.conf and i have none of my old settings. |
| 23:00.51 | mat__ | jetscreamer, testing |
| 23:00.53 | alemani | hello |
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| 23:00.55 | tictac | so.. thats why i was looking for an ncurses replacement. |
| 23:01.09 | jetscreamer | tictac: did you look in /etc/X11 to see if there was a backup? |
| 23:01.10 | alemani | it's OK to ask questions about Sid branch here ? |
| 23:01.13 | jelly-home | mat__: if you want to use kwin from lenny, you will have to add lenny into your sources.list |
| 23:01.14 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:01.15 | phanter | tictac: it is not that difficult, just do a search in google and it will give you a nice example for how to put it in your xorg.conf |
| 23:01.19 | jetscreamer | but don't expect much |
| 23:01.40 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf >--kinda messy |
| 23:01.42 | tictac | when i try and startx, my lcd doesnt like the settings and so i <ctrl><alt><bksp> out of X and then my LCD doesnt like the console settings either so its all garbled |
| 23:01.44 | jetscreamer | <-- |
| 23:01.44 | phanter | tictac: and learn to backup... it saves many people from many dissasters |
| 23:01.51 | tictac | yes, they arent in there. |
| 23:02.04 | mat__ | jelly-home, then add the repository of stable and then install the old version of kwin? |
| 23:02.17 | jetscreamer | thank god i use icewm! |
| 23:02.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:02.35 | tictac | blah. i have a 6TB raid-1 array setup but havent copied anything over yet. :-/ |
| 23:02.35 | phanter | jetscreamer: (openbox ?? no?) |
| 23:02.42 | jetscreamer | so gnome/kwin still borked eh |
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| 23:02.51 | jetscreamer | i used fluxbox a little |
| 23:03.01 | jetscreamer | very pretty |
| 23:03.03 | csgeek|home | I have a fresh install of debian.. how do I enable unstable repos? |
| 23:03.03 | jelly-home | mat__: yes. You already have the old version of kwin installed, but aptitude will be able to mix-and-match the dependencies then |
| 23:03.14 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: why? |
| 23:03.23 | jetscreamer | csgeek: you don't want to atm at least |
| 23:03.28 | csgeek|home | it's a VM and i wanna try out the freebsd kernel |
| 23:03.32 | jetscreamer | unless you don't use kde or gnome |
| 23:03.48 | csgeek|home | not planning on doing anything but console... |
| 23:03.50 | tictac | hmm. so.. if there isnt an ncurses way of setting video settings anymore -- how does the text based installer do it in lenny? |
| 23:03.51 | jetscreamer | change the word testing or lenny or stable to sid, or unstable |
| 23:03.51 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: you need a reinstall for that |
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| 23:04.18 | jetscreamer | o nm then i know nothing about vm |
| 23:04.20 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: the freebsd port is a whole different debian architecture; you cannot just switch the kernel |
| 23:04.28 | jetscreamer | or that |
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| 23:04.57 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: (the news articles ... well, the /. title, were misleading a bit) |
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| 23:05.26 | mat__ | jelly-home, after put the stable repository, and after installed old kwin with dependencies, I can remove the stable repository and block old version of kwin? |
| 23:05.32 | rondnelly | Hello >D |
| 23:05.32 | csgeek|home | :( yeah.. i guess |
| 23:05.47 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: so fetch yourself a daily freebsd debian-installer image and fire away |
| 23:05.56 | jelly-home | !d-i |
| 23:05.57 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Etch is still available from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 23:06.37 | tictac | blah. fucking 1680x1050 resolution is why xorg cant "automagically" configure it. |
| 23:06.38 | alemani | I dist-upgraded today my sid box and X.org was gonne after reboot and it seems that isn't installable due unmmet dependencies |
| 23:06.38 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 23:06.47 | csgeek|home | I did grab the latest one ... sitll a bit confused as how I switch to the BSD kernel |
| 23:06.52 | csgeek|home | if possible at all |
| 23:07.10 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: you need to use the kfreebsd installer |
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| 23:07.15 | jetscreamer | gd dselect sure is better than aptitude or apt-get, at least afaict!!!!! |
| 23:07.20 | alemani | I don't know what else to do since the requested dependency packages are there |
| 23:07.29 | jetscreamer | my xorg gnome or kde is NOT borked :) |
| 23:07.44 | jetscreamer | it's all borked, alemani |
| 23:07.47 | jetscreamer | it's not you |
| 23:07.51 | jetscreamer | it's * |
| 23:07.58 | csgeek|home | which is all fine.. but I don't see it listed on any of the pages linked... that or i'm blind |
| 23:08.00 | csgeek|home | one of the two |
| 23:08.22 | jetscreamer | i luckily know when to not allow the upgrade |
| 23:08.26 | mat__ | jelly-home, i have put stable repo whit testing repo, now update |
| 23:08.35 | bbelt16ag | hey is lenny 5.0 testing or unstable? |
| 23:08.42 | jetscreamer | stable, bbelt16ag |
| 23:08.45 | mutable_malachi | bbelt16ag: stable, actually. |
| 23:08.49 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 23:08.58 | mutable_malachi | I get a "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" when I do a dist-upgrade, and only then. Why might this be? |
| 23:08.58 | jetscreamer | squeeze is testing iirc |
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| 23:09.10 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 23:09.11 | jetscreamer | because you don't have the apt-key |
| 23:09.16 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 23:09.21 | alemani | jetscreamer: so we wait for now? |
| 23:09.22 | jetscreamer | at a guess |
| 23:09.31 | jetscreamer | alemani: i am, all i really know |
| 23:09.38 | jetscreamer | uses icewm by default |
| 23:09.48 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ -> http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 23:10.13 | lolufail | hi! |
| 23:10.27 | jetscreamer | most gnome/kde progs should still function under a diff wm/desktop ... but i'm guessing.. mine do though. |
| 23:10.28 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: "2.2. Install media |
| 23:10.29 | jelly-home | Our current installation CD, based on a modified FreeBSD sysinstall, serves as temporary solution until a full port of the debian-installer is complete. Bootable images for both i386 and amd64 can be found at http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/install-cd." |
| 23:10.45 | lolufail | sry, I failed@google.... how can I use the serial console of a KVM vm?!? |
| 23:10.51 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: so, my bad, there's no debian-installer ready yet |
| 23:10.55 | mutable_malachi | jetscreamer: where is the apt-key available |
| 23:11.24 | jelly-home | lol, you fail lolufail |
| 23:11.26 | jetscreamer | mutable_malachi: sources, and you can add it manually |
| 23:11.27 | lolufail | virsh's console vmName doesnt output anything Oo |
| 23:11.49 | csgeek|home | very cool.. thanks |
| 23:11.50 | lolifail | ;) |
| 23:12.10 | jelly-home | and now you fail at kiddie porn? |
| 23:12.19 | lolifail | wtf? |
| 23:12.34 | jelly-home | loli fail |
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| 23:12.50 | jetscreamer | mutable_malachi: /msg dpkg listkeys apt-key .. i'm not sure which one you need... but the method is the same |
| 23:13.01 | csgeek|home | so.. next question.. I'm sure this will be very stable eventually.. but assuming we have a debian port (is that the right word) of the FreeBSD kernel.. will it be possible to have ipfw and ZFS on a debian system? |
| 23:13.04 | jetscreamer | then msg dpkg again with the factoid you picked |
| 23:13.09 | mutable_malachi | jetscreamer: thanks! Sorry I was unclear, but that should do it. |
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| 23:13.24 | jetscreamer | !apt-key auto |
| 23:13.25 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys auto ; gpg --export auto | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 23:13.38 | jetscreamer | i don't know what auto is .. or secure-testing-master |
| 23:13.46 | jetscreamer | or the others |
| 23:14.06 | Nanotron | hello |
| 23:14.20 | jelly-home | csgeek|home: it's a freebsd+glibc port of Debian, if we're technical (not the other way round) |
| 23:14.28 | lolifail | jelly-home: very helpful. thanks |
| 23:14.35 | jetscreamer | mutable_malachi: the key should be apt-gettable, also |
| 23:15.09 | jetscreamer | mutable_malachi: apt-cache search key|grep -i debian |
| 23:15.15 | Nanotron | do you know, why in Debian sid is currently no Gnome 2.26 |
| 23:15.20 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 23:15.25 | jetscreamer | because it borkeded |
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| 23:15.29 | SQlvpapir_ | wtf.. compiz is stable now O,o |
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| 23:15.58 | alemani | jetscreamer: how long has it been like that I mean borked... I dist upgrade today but debian 5.0 it's been in the wild for a month or more I though by this time was 'secure' to dist-upgrade Sid :( |
| 23:16.25 | jetscreamer | few days that i know of |
| 23:16.28 | jetscreamer | 2-3 |
| 23:16.32 | jetscreamer | it happens |
| 23:16.41 | jetscreamer | not very often though |
| 23:16.41 | alemani | yeah it happens |
| 23:16.48 | alemani | I know |
| 23:17.15 | jetscreamer | the 2.6.29 kernel-headers now, that bork is older |
| 23:17.39 | jetscreamer | wonders how hard can it be to compile some headers |
| 23:17.53 | jetscreamer | i know there's a lot of arches, but sheesh |
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| 23:18.00 | jetscreamer | same config isn't it |
| 23:18.16 | jetscreamer | must be the multi-thing |
| 23:18.17 | Nanotron | ok thx |
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| 23:19.17 | jetscreamer | why would apt-cache search key|grep -i debian return libsdl1.2debian-all - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available options) |
| 23:19.41 | jetscreamer | i don't see 'key' in it |
| 23:19.46 | adb | mutable_malachi: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 23:20.24 | mat__ | jelly-home, :( |
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| 23:20.59 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search libsdl1|grep -i key returns nothing |
| 23:21.12 | adb | apt-cache search keyring |
| 23:21.29 | adb | apt-cache search key|grep debian |
| 23:21.43 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: apt-cache show libsdl1.2debian-all|grep -i key |
| 23:21.55 | csgeek|home | right.. I should actually read the instructions |
| 23:22.03 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: apt-cache search searches names and descriptions by default, not just the short description |
| 23:22.08 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 23:22.12 | jetscreamer | thankee sir |
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| 23:23.04 | dondelelcaro | aptitude search '?name(key)' is probably more along what you wanted |
| 23:23.28 | jetscreamer | i think i installed aptitude last week... not that i use it |
| 23:23.37 | jetscreamer | i just wanted the important section |
| 23:23.43 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 23:24.17 | jetscreamer | why is tasksel important 'after' installation |
| 23:24.31 | jetscreamer | \designated an important package |
| 23:25.04 | jetscreamer | quits wondering things 'aloud' |
| 23:25.04 | adb | http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 23:25.48 | ddalton | when I build modules from source, eg. |
| 23:25.51 | ddalton | cd moudles/madwifi |
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| 23:26.09 | ddalton | make KERNELPATH=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686/ |
| 23:26.23 | ddalton | where should the mdule be found? so I can put it somewhere so I can load it? |
| 23:26.35 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 23:26.36 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare" http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 23:26.49 | ddalton | no im not using m-a though |
| 23:26.55 | jetscreamer | not sure about your question though |
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| 23:27.13 | bpun | shouldn't /etc/profile contain ". /etc/bash.bashrc" ? |
| 23:27.38 | ddalton | jetscreamer: k |
| 23:27.42 | Maior | <3 tasksel |
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| 23:27.50 | mutable_malachi | adb: I have all those keyrings installed, but the warning is still output. |
| 23:27.51 | mat__ | jpinx, jetscreamer, jelly-home o have find this http://forum.kde.org/dual-monitor-maximize-window-to-the-current-monitor-t-38902.html#pid55115 but there is not answer :( |
| 23:28.12 | jetscreamer | did you apt-get update after? iirc you need to.. i forget though |
| 23:28.14 | thegraham | Hi all, how do I move my uw-imap mbox files into a Courier imap server? |
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| 23:28.48 | adb | mutable_malachi: i guess wrong sources.list than |
| 23:28.51 | bpun | no bash users here? i thought this might be a bug.. |
| 23:29.09 | mutable_malachi | jetscreamer: nope. Thanks. Why is that, btw? |
| 23:29.22 | mutable_malachi | adb: nope, you were right. Just had to update in addition. Thanks. |
| 23:29.33 | adb | np |
| 23:29.33 | khaije|h | i'm only using unstable on my laptop but i gotta say it seems perfectly fine, i was expecting things to break or catch on fire or something |
| 23:30.00 | mutable_malachi | khaije|h: heh, "unstable" just means "it changes often." Doesn't necessarily mean it's a fire hazard. ;) |
| 23:30.27 | bpun | khaije|h, well u can always give the password to ur system and see if we check out any broken stuff |
| 23:30.40 | jelly-home | mutable_malachi: but sometimes it rapes the proverbial cat |
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| 23:31.11 | mutable_malachi | The curious cat? Is that what killed it? Raped to death? |
| 23:31.11 | khaije|h | mutable_malachi: maybe it should be called mutable instead, aye? |
| 23:31.21 | jpinx | khaije|h: just keep a backup install of stable "in case" ;) |
| 23:31.24 | jetscreamer | updates the keys, verifies them, i guess |
| 23:31.25 | mutable_malachi | Heh. Maybe. :) |
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| 23:31.38 | mat__ | jelly-home, is this my solution? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163146 |
| 23:31.45 | jetscreamer | i've run sid for... for.... since around woody or so |
| 23:31.49 | khaije|h | jpinx: yessir got lenny on my desktop/server |
| 23:32.04 | jpinx | too |
| 23:32.08 | mutable_malachi | jetscreamer: any accounts of very unusual breakage? |
| 23:32.08 | jetscreamer | i sure don't know as much as i should |
| 23:32.09 | khaije|h | jetscreamer: i don't think it gets enough light |
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| 23:32.19 | jetscreamer | just the stupid UDEV HELL |
| 23:32.29 | mutable_malachi | udev hell? |
| 23:32.34 | jelly-home | mat__: I have no idea! |
| 23:32.36 | khaije|h | whats that issue? |
| 23:32.40 | jetscreamer | multiple controllers |
| 23:32.44 | mat__ | jpinx, ? |
| 23:32.45 | jetscreamer | lemme find link |
| 23:33.06 | bpun | jetscreamer, udev is actually pretty easy to setup.. just edit the rules file... |
| 23:33.20 | tictac | hmm. startx says xserverrc: line 5: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory |
| 23:33.36 | bpun | jetscreamer, it's unless the device doesn't have a quality driver that there can be hard to resolve issues |
| 23:33.43 | jetscreamer | Disk devices may change on reboot, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ , and it's still not fixed |
| 23:33.46 | jpinx | mat__: sorry - way beyond me now |
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| 23:34.17 | bpun | jetscreamer, just set it with udev's rules... notably this occurs with usb disk drives... |
| 23:34.17 | jetscreamer | my driver worked fine, well supported... |
| 23:34.27 | jetscreamer | it's add in controller |
| 23:34.44 | jetscreamer | i found using UUID in fstab and menu.lst is a workaround also |
| 23:34.55 | jetscreamer | for / |
| 23:35.18 | jetscreamer | my preferred method is to --purge udev , but i gave up |
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| 23:35.48 | bpun | jetscreamer, it's basically 2 or 3 lines in udev... and that's about it.. |
| 23:35.56 | jetscreamer | my controller sits in a box and i have large hd's instead of many little |
| 23:35.56 | n-iCe | anyone have ever connect a ps3 cam(play station eye) to debian? |
| 23:36.24 | jetscreamer | bpun: the uuid thing is easy also |
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| 23:36.34 | jelly-home | mat__: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=519430 says downgrading kdesktop (and kdebase-bin) helped one user |
| 23:36.35 | jetscreamer | 2 lines |
| 23:36.56 | jetscreamer | i told some gy to just go back to testing yesterday, and he said it worked for him |
| 23:36.56 | n-iCe | After I connected the ps3 camera, I got this on dmesg http://sasdasdaksdasdasd.pastebin.com/m954bf9a |
| 23:37.16 | jetscreamer | did they filter down to testing? |
| 23:37.23 | bpun | think jetscreamer should appreciate the tons of work in udev.. |
| 23:37.28 | jetscreamer | s/they/the\ borkedness/ |
| 23:37.36 | mat__ | jelly-home, i try |
| 23:37.45 | jetscreamer | i've detested udev since it KEPT ME FROM MY BOX FOR 3 WEEKS |
| 23:37.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:37.57 | jetscreamer | 2.6.13 or so |
| 23:38.14 | jetscreamer | i'm always the guinea pig |
| 23:38.21 | thegraham | I've just switched to courier from uw-impad... I've created a Maildir for the imap client, but when I login my emails aren't being moved from /var/mail/username to the maildir. How do I get this to happen? |
| 23:38.21 | n-iCe | no idea? |
| 23:38.21 | jelly-home | mat__: and the merged http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518786#21 |
| 23:38.26 | jetscreamer | for the ones nobody else gets |
| 23:38.35 | jelly-home | mat__: "This bug is not going to be fixed in KDE 3 base which is in sid. Either downgrade to Lenny version of kdebase or upgrade to KDE 4 from experimetal." |
| 23:38.39 | jetscreamer | ppl thought i was crazy in this channel |
| 23:39.08 | jetscreamer | i am, but that's different :) |
| 23:39.17 | mat__ | jelly-home, is not going to be fixed in KDE 3?????????????? |
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| 23:39.27 | jelly-home | mat__: that's right. |
| 23:39.30 | mat__ | fuck |
| 23:39.47 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite mat__ |
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| 23:39.47 | dpkg | pushes crabpaste up mat__'s nostrils |
| 23:39.54 | jelly-home | mat__: read the following message as well |
| 23:39.55 | bpun | jetscreamer, u rant too much.. i was willing to help explain udev to u.. but since u're so pessismistic everytime u come here.. i wont talk to u anymore |
| 23:39.55 | jetscreamer | dang suposed to be your mouth |
| 23:40.44 | jetscreamer | bpun: thank you though .. i don't need udev, but i don't need to fix it anymore because i don't use the add in controller .. it works fine, udev works fine (till i have to make a rule :) |
| 23:40.45 | jetscreamer | ) |
| 23:41.05 | jetscreamer | i have a couple custom ones iirc |
| 23:41.17 | jelly-home | bpun: there's no need to explain now that his kernel and udev aren't the incompatible versions from 2 years ago |
| 23:41.26 | tictac | gah now X is broken. |
| 23:41.33 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: same bug apparently, though |
| 23:41.37 | jelly-home | jelly-home: and serves you right for using testing/unstable! |
| 23:41.43 | jetscreamer | as seen in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 23:42.05 | mat__ | jelly-home, according to youis better to downgrade or put kde experimental? |
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| 23:42.20 | jetscreamer | mat__: you don't want experimental |
| 23:42.21 | jelly-home | mat__: I have no idea, I don't use kde. |
| 23:42.26 | jetscreamer | i don't want experimental |
| 23:42.38 | mat__ | jetscreamer, no? |
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| 23:42.53 | jetscreamer | i would highly recommend not using experimental, personally |
| 23:43.06 | jelly-home | mat__: however, I happen to remember kde4 packages in experimental work _only_ with unstable, not testing |
| 23:43.09 | mat__ | |
| 23:43.10 | mat__ | then I do the downgrade |
| 23:43.21 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 23:43.22 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 23:43.48 | jetscreamer | partial downgrade, probably .. that refers to the whole kit&kaboodle |
| 23:44.09 | jelly-home | dvs: that's not really helpful at this point |
| 23:44.27 | dvs | jelly-home: Oh? The deed is already done/ |
| 23:44.48 | jetscreamer | wonders about the xorg borks |
| 23:44.57 | jetscreamer | those are new to me |
| 23:45.14 | jetscreamer | pats non-upgraded box |
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| 23:45.42 | jelly-home | dvs: no, a) you're missing the context, where the choice is between downgrading or using kde4 for experimental, and b) apt-get _can_ do apt-get install foo=version or foo/release |
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| 23:46.02 | tictac | jetscreamer: yea.. my X is borked. |
| 23:46.22 | niceone | Guys... say me one thing please.. Debian rep bigger than Ubuntu rep? |
| 23:46.40 | jetscreamer | probably not, since ubuntu will take anything |
| 23:46.44 | jetscreamer | repo you mean i think |
| 23:46.49 | niceone | yea |
| 23:46.49 | jetscreamer | repository |
| 23:46.53 | jelly-home | niceone: yes, but it's not a complete superset. |
| 23:47.00 | niceone | i want to know, where i can find more packages |
| 23:47.06 | l403 | hello, is there more places where I can find the backup of partition table other than /proc/partitions ? |
| 23:47.09 | jetscreamer | @dmm |
| 23:47.22 | jelly-home | niceone: do NOT mix packages built for different distros |
| 23:47.22 | jetscreamer | err[18.47.19] --- DCC CHAT connect attempt to ankhow failed (err=Connection refused). |
| 23:47.22 | mat__ | I'm doing the downgrade, now everything explodes |
| 23:47.23 | mat__ | gh |
| 23:47.34 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 23:47.42 | dvs | ducks for cover |
| 23:47.47 | niceone | i using archlinux now, but want to look on debian |
| 23:47.48 | jelly-home | mat__: just how are you "doing the downgrade"? |
| 23:47.55 | jetscreamer | l403: the mbr has one |
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| 23:48.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hmm arch linux |
| 23:48.12 | Zookey | hi |
| 23:48.39 | Zookey | i have a question |
| 23:48.39 | niceone | archlinux .. not arch linux |
| 23:48.39 | Zookey | how can i install kde 4.2 on debian? |
| 23:48.39 | jetscreamer | goes off to kill ppl |
| 23:48.40 | mat__ | jelly-home, ? |
| 23:48.41 | jetscreamer | !experimental |
| 23:48.42 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 23:48.46 | l403 | jetscreamer, you mean the main one I have accidentally clleared? |
| 23:48.48 | jetscreamer | mat__: ask him how you should do it |
| 23:48.50 | jelly-home | mat__: what command are you using? |
| 23:48.58 | jetscreamer | l403: o :/ |
| 23:49.02 | mat__ | jelly, aptitude program |
| 23:49.10 | mat__ | not shel command |
| 23:49.16 | Geek`N`Proud | sh4d3sl4y3r_: think of it as Debian Unstable, but a tad more stable - it's a well managed cutting-edge rolling-release distro |
| 23:49.17 | jelly-home | mat__: the user interface? |
| 23:49.19 | jetscreamer | l403: gparted can recreate them or so it says |
| 23:49.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i have used arch |
| 23:49.28 | mat__ | user interface form shell |
| 23:49.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lol |
| 23:49.33 | Zookey | help me |
| 23:49.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its a do it urself type distro |
| 23:49.37 | mat__ | now reboot :( |
| 23:49.44 | Geek`N`Proud | oh crap, of course you have.. :$ |
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| 23:49.57 | niceone | arch? arch good.. i like it.. but i want to look all other distros to |
| 23:49.58 | mat__ | good luck to me |
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| 23:50.00 | l403 | jetscreamer, I know it does but it gets confused by extended and ld partitions |
| 23:50.05 | jelly-home | Zookey: short answer: you can't at this point |
| 23:50.12 | Geek`N`Proud | niceone: I can give you a breakdown of the differences |
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| 23:50.28 | niceone | Geek, go .) |
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| 23:50.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | last year i have played with many distros after using fedora for 5 years |
| 23:50.42 | Geek`N`Proud | Debian is conservative and uses older versions, but patches the reported bugs out of them |
| 23:50.42 | jetscreamer | l403: beyond me dude... :/ |
| 23:50.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | got settled with deb unstable |
| 23:50.45 | jelly-home | Zookey: that is, kde 4.2 in debian isn't ready for a casual user |
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| 23:51.03 | Geek`N`Proud | Arch uses the latest vanillas, and thus bugs are fixed in the next releases of apps |
| 23:51.06 | mat__ | DON'T WORK!!!!! |
| 23:51.07 | bit0 | I've #521534 bug, any hint,? please |
| 23:51.32 | niceone | Geek,that's know all.. mb some more "unseeble" differences? .. sry for shitty english .( |
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| 23:52.25 | Geek`N`Proud | niceone: Debian is more stable and fixes bugs that Arch will not fix as it has more stringent standards - i.e. it is supported on wayyy more architectures |
| 23:52.49 | jpinx | l403: from memory there is data on a drive in some supreuser blocks - I seem to remember them being mentioned in something like tunefs or similar |
| 23:53.06 | niceone | Geek, you use any different architecture then i686? lol? |
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| 23:53.29 | Geek`N`Proud | niceone: PPC (Playstation 3) |
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| 23:53.44 | Geek`N`Proud | niceone: AMD64, before it was stable on Arch |
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| 23:54.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | #offtopic |
| 23:54.08 | niceone | Geek, amd64 work great |
| 23:54.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !offtopic |
| 23:54.14 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:54.45 | Geek`N`Proud | niceone: I mean before it did, Debian got good support for it quicker |
| 23:54.59 | niceone | sry, bad english.. i just want to know some good things of debian.. i like just logo now .) |
| 23:55.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | haha |
| 23:55.12 | niceone | Geek, oh |
| 23:55.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !debian |
| 23:55.19 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:55.25 | n-iCe | any utility to zoom the screen? |
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| 23:55.49 | niceone | glasses |
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| 23:56.00 | mat__ | jelly-home, not work :8 |
| 23:56.25 | MarcWeber | Which ways do you know to do traffic shaping based on connection tracking? Eg ssh bulk transfer (scp) should get a low priority while ssh shell commands should behavie interactive? I don't know how to match this using tcng (except using package size..) |
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| 23:56.33 | jelly-home | mat__: you can always reinstall and use stable |
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| 23:56.49 | niceone | Geek, eh.. try to look on debian later... 2-3 years later .) thank for your opinion ..(shit shit english shit..) |
| 23:56.51 | mat__ | reinstall all???? |
| 23:56.54 | MarcWeber | n-iCe The new xorg has a feature. I can look the reply I got up in the logs. Do you want me to do that? |
| 23:56.58 | jpinx | jelly-home: I told mat__ that ages ago |
| 23:57.05 | mat__ | but is a long work... |
| 23:57.13 | jpinx | he'd have fixed the problem by now |
| 23:57.15 | n-iCe | MarcWeber: is it an application? sure please :) |
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| 23:57.33 | niceone | guys... Who want more customize, simple and REALY FAST system.. try to use ArchLinux.. (archlinux.org)... (not spam) |
| 23:57.38 | MarcWeber | n-iCe I don't use xorg on my debian servers. So I don't know. WAit a sec |
| 23:57.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | niceone how about gentoo? |
| 23:57.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | : ) |
| 23:57.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | lmao |
| 23:57.55 | jelly-home | mat__: the 4 hours this evening, you could have installed an iso image twice by now. |
| 23:57.59 | niceone | gentoo not bad too |
| 23:58.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | slack? |
| 23:58.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :) |
| 23:58.09 | niceone | crux |
| 23:58.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | slack is the only TRADITIONAL linux out there |
| 23:58.19 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no customization |
| 23:58.22 | niceone | gentoo to unusual |
| 23:58.31 | jpinx | mat__: stop chasing your tail and just do the work |
| 23:58.35 | niceone | all time going to create world |
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| 23:58.37 | n-iCe | thanks MarcWeber |
| 23:58.58 | mat__ | jpinx, jelly-home How about reinstalling the entire system or kde? |
| 23:59.11 | niceone | archlinux 360mb iso/img.. that is realy ruleez .) |
| 23:59.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | niceone archlinux is offtopic here |
| 23:59.26 | niceone | oh |
| 23:59.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | discussing a bit if ok |
| 23:59.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but we don't recommend other distros here |
| 23:59.45 | niceone | why? |
| 23:59.49 | jpinx | mat__: just KDE back to the version that wll work for you |
| 23:59.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cause this is #debian |
| 23:59.55 | niceone | .) |
