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| 00:01.09 | alsd | intx: my wild guess is that pam is a library, which means a module is loaded only when some process asks pam for information or authentication |
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| 00:01.35 | alsd | intx: it's not really living by itself. but that's just a wild guess, i'm not much into that |
| 00:01.53 | intx | lsof says it's still running |
| 00:01.56 | intx | or loaded |
| 00:02.07 | intx | when I create a new ssh connection, I still can't do what I want.. I'm guessing it's still running |
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| 00:02.15 | alsd | intx: maybe you have to kill the process using it then? |
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| 00:04.14 | alsd | intx: or disconnect from your running session if that's the one using it |
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| 00:06.06 | nick4 | I am creating a session with: screen -A -m -d -S console3 bash then I try to connect to it with screen -x console3 but I can't erase anything with Backspace. How do I change this and make Backspace work? |
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| 00:07.43 | intx | alsd: because i'm afraid if I did that, I can't log back into root |
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| 00:13.52 | alsd | intx: can you log as root just yet? |
| 00:14.10 | alsd | intx: not through su, just a regular login |
| 00:14.22 | abrotman | nick4: does ctrl-h work ? |
| 00:14.34 | nick4 | abrotman let me check this |
| 00:15.27 | nick4 | abrotman ctrl-h erases the whole line. Better than nothing. Can it get better? |
| 00:15.43 | abrotman | it should only erase one character |
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| 00:16.56 | MikeH | Does anyone know of a piece of software that may help me sort out my work hours (I put in my hours at the end of each two weeks) - I'm fed up of hacking about with a calendar and a calculator, surely someone has done something like this already? |
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| 00:17.49 | abrotman | MikeH: apt-cache search timesheet ? |
| 00:18.04 | p8m | MikeH: emacs org-mode has a timer functionality |
| 00:18.11 | nick4 | abrotman well, is there anything else I can do? anything else I can try? |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | nick4: does the terminal work correctly when not using screen ? |
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| 00:19.02 | nick4 | abrotman yes, when I exit screen I get Backspace as normal, erases one character |
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| 00:20.21 | MikeH | p8m: It's not neccesarily time working on projects, and the end of each day, I just want to be able to write/click my finish time, and it keeps track of everything |
| 00:20.31 | MikeH | Being able to "report" for a certain period would be nice, too. |
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| 00:20.59 | abrotman | nick4: it doesn't seem that the options you're choosing would do that .. but what if you just leave them off? do all screen sessions act the same? |
| 00:21.52 | nick4 | let me check this |
| 00:22.55 | nick4 | abrotman I tried: screen bash, and I still dont have any backspace, but ctrl-h works like a backspace |
| 00:23.00 | nick4 | what does that tell me? |
| 00:23.14 | abrotman | nick4: what are you using for a terminal emulator ? |
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| 00:23.47 | nick4 | abrotman controlling multiple game servers (hl2, doom3, quake3, etc) running on the same machine |
| 00:23.56 | nick4 | via ssh that is |
| 00:24.11 | abrotman | nick4: yeah, what are you using for your ssh client? |
| 00:24.35 | nick4 | abrotman well the machine is in the other room |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | yeah .. i got that .. |
| 00:24.46 | nick4 | then what? :) |
| 00:24.52 | abrotman | putty? xterm? konsole ? |
| 00:24.56 | nick4 | ahhhhh |
| 00:25.07 | nick4 | right now I am testing this locally |
| 00:25.14 | abrotman | and which version of debian is the server running? |
| 00:25.15 | nick4 | on xfce4-terminal |
| 00:25.35 | nick4 | no no, there is no server right now, it's from me to me, one machine |
| 00:25.39 | batcoder-7 | alsd, Found the problem |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | nick4: and which version of debian ? |
| 00:26.14 | nick4 | abrotman testing |
| 00:26.26 | nick4 | abrotman I just tired it on pure console, and this problem doesnt exist :-/ |
| 00:26.30 | abrotman | nick4: using xterm, your command works fine here, and delete functions normally |
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| 00:27.03 | nick4 | abrotman yes, it's something relared to xfc4-terminal |
| 00:27.08 | nick4 | abrotman thanks :D |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | nick4: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480367 |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | i'm guessing that's related |
| 00:27.26 | nick4 | wow! |
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| 00:27.50 | nick4 | I need to start using bugs.debian.org |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | yeah .. that BTS is amazing |
| 00:28.00 | nick4 | it would have saved me time and effort |
| 00:28.10 | nick4 | what does BTS stand for? |
| 00:28.17 | liable | and the channel |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:28.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 00:29.13 | abrotman | liable: to be fair .. i don't think he would have known which package to look for bugs on |
| 00:29.51 | nick4 | oh liable is in a mood for flaming :) |
| 00:30.00 | liable | ;) |
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| 00:54.08 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:54.08 | dpkg | i guess qotd211 is <PhatJ> ugh - i picked the wrong week to stop sniffling glue <Supaplex> PhatJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glues just for you :) |
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| 00:55.00 | scientes | which xmpp server should i install openfire, ejabberd, tigase? |
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| 00:56.05 | p8m | scientes: ejabberd works great for me and has good documentation. I'm not sure about the others you listed. |
| 00:56.16 | abrotman | jabber.org uses ejabberd |
| 00:56.28 | abrotman | bit of a resource hog .. but pretty good otherwise i guess |
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| 00:57.14 | scientes | there is also psyced and jabberd (da original) |
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| 00:58.18 | nvz | I want to setup some speech recognition and I can't make heads or tails of this sphinx2 package in lenny |
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| 00:58.47 | nvz | I swear the old sphinx packages had just simple speach to text binaries |
| 00:58.54 | nvz | this one seems to have all test utilities |
| 00:59.59 | kinji | is there a particular reason as to why my kde desktop thing shows 16 desktops when compiz fusion is running? |
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| 01:02.00 | jimi_hendrix | just curious...whats the debian naming scheme (etch? lenny?)? |
| 01:02.10 | newsense | kinji, go into ccsm and change virtyal desktops to 1 or such, i forget the exact option |
| 01:02.54 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: characters from toy story |
| 01:03.05 | newsense | jimi_hendrix, its the alien if i remember correctly from toystory who knows the name |
| 01:03.20 | jimi_hendrix | rofl |
| 01:03.24 | jimi_hendrix | your joking?!?! |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | !release history |
| 01:03.24 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 01:03.29 | kinji | newsense: there is horizontal virtual size at 4, vertical virtual size at 1, and number of desktops at 4 |
| 01:03.31 | jimi_hendrix | why? |
| 01:03.57 | jimi_hendrix | roflcopters till he gets laryngitis |
| 01:04.10 | newsense | number of desktops 1 |
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| 01:04.52 | abrotman | buzz: buzz lightyear, rex: the t-rex, bo: Bo-Peep, Hamm: the pig, Sling: the slinky dog, Potato: Mr Potato Head, Woody: the cowboy, sarge: green army men, etch: etch-a-sketch, lenny: binoculars, squeeze: alien |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | that is so sad |
| 01:05.05 | jimi_hendrix | any specific reason why toy story was chosen? |
| 01:05.07 | kinji | newsense: well that does it, but now the desktop switcher on my bar has only 1 lol |
| 01:05.35 | newsense | kinji, in the kde panel ? |
| 01:05.41 | jimi_hendrix | gets memories of the movie |
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| 01:05.54 | streuner | jimi_hendrix: someone did that choose |
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| 01:06.13 | streuner | jimi_hendrix: and most people didnt say no about :-) |
| 01:06.29 | newsense | kinji, right click on the pager and go to configure and set how many vdesktops you want |
| 01:07.11 | kinji | newsense: I set it to 4, and now it shows 16 |
| 01:07.22 | decker | howdy. could anyone tell me if mit-scheme happens to come standard on debian? |
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| 01:07.46 | kinji | newsense: somehow it gets the number of desktops times the horizontal virtual size |
| 01:07.47 | intx | alsd: how do I kill everything that might use pam? |
| 01:07.57 | jimi_hendrix | ok...and i download the debian testing .iso for lenny right? |
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| 01:08.16 | mngrif | decker: it doesn't come in a base install, no. but then again, not much does |
| 01:08.17 | Sebboh | Question. I have a variety of network interface devices, most of which are virtual .. and the real ones have been renamed.. Is there some tool I can run which will show me which logical devices are connected to which hardware? (or driver? The virtual ones should all be some driver that isn't e1000, the physical ones should be e1000, eh?) |
| 01:08.38 | mngrif | Sebboh: go through dmesg to figured it out |
| 01:08.48 | decker | mngrif: well what I mean, is it available in debian repositories, as opposed to me having to bootstrap it and all that? |
| 01:08.49 | Sebboh | decker, check packages.debian.org |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | Sebboh: ethtool -i <interface> |
| 01:08.53 | jimi_hendrix | also do i need all 5 install disks (or internet connection) to install debian |
| 01:09.09 | jimi_hendrix | or are those just bonus packages that i wont need off the bat? |
| 01:09.11 | mngrif | decker: beats me |
| 01:09.15 | acu_rodna | I need badly to access a 150GB HD - and I have etch installed - however I cannot instal NTFS-3g - some dependency etc... any sugestions ? |
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| 01:09.18 | newsense | kinji, i had compiz and kde at one point and the fix was changing a simple setting in ccsm but i dont remember the exact setting but sounds like your close |
| 01:09.23 | Sebboh | mngrif, the interfaces were renamed after boot. Xen network script. (old one at that.) abrotman, thanks. |
| 01:09.46 | mngrif | those kinds of changes would still show in the logs i'm sure |
| 01:10.16 | Sebboh | Jimi, I always install debian off the 150mb network install CD. ..the daily built d-i, to be exact.. Good for installing Lenny, in my experience. YMMV. |
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| 01:11.02 | Sebboh | mngrif, actually, FYI, they don't. I'm sure they show somewhere, but not in dmesg. |
| 01:11.14 | kinji | newsense: well i can get it to display 4, and have the cube, but then it reverts to only one desktop when compiz isnt running |
| 01:11.16 | jimi_hendrix | anyone? |
| 01:11.17 | mngrif | is amazed |
| 01:11.25 | decker | Sebboh: looks like it's there. thanks. |
| 01:12.06 | newsense | kinji, let me see if i can find the fix i havent used compiz in a long time |
| 01:12.23 | jimi_hendrix | now sees mngrif's response |
| 01:12.32 | jimi_hendrix | hates when people just say jimi and i miss it... |
| 01:12.48 | jimi_hendrix | Sebboh's response* |
| 01:13.33 | jimi_hendrix | Sebboh, but apparently i need extra firmware for my network card...so will i still use the network install CD? |
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| 01:13.45 | kinji | newsense: alright cool, I'm going to restart x |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: what card isit? |
| 01:14.18 | newsense | dam i think i had a fix for him |
| 01:14.23 | newsense | hope he comes back |
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| 01:14.47 | newsense | kinji, working ok now ? |
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| 01:15.30 | kinji | newsense: well I restarted x, and i again have 16 desktops (really its 4, but displayed 16) |
| 01:16.12 | newsense | kinji, set the number of desktops in ccsm to the same number of desktops you have set in kde and set the horizontal virtual size in ccsm to the number of sides you want on your cube and restart kde |
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| 01:16.15 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: no, your wired one |
| 01:16.40 | jimi_hendrix | i dont have one... |
| 01:16.44 | abrotman | bull |
| 01:16.48 | jimi_hendrix | im on a laptop... |
| 01:16.51 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | which model is it? show us the URL for the laptop from the manuf page |
| 01:17.40 | kinji | newsense: alright. and I need to get fusion-icon to start with kde |
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| 01:18.05 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, http://explore.toshiba.com/laptops/satellite/A300/A305-S6843 |
| 01:18.27 | abrotman | it has 10/100 LAN |
| 01:18.30 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, i know i have a wired card...but i cant use wired... |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:18.39 | jimi_hendrix | 1 port in the house... |
| 01:18.49 | jimi_hendrix | being used by the comp running the router |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | so use it |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | router ? .. can't plug into the router? |
| 01:19.06 | newsense | kinji, i gotta run actually didnt realize what time it is but im sure someone will help ya if not try #kde or #compiz, they might have more information on that |
| 01:19.11 | jimi_hendrix | fails with network stuff |
| 01:19.14 | kinji | newsense: not a problem, thanks alot |
| 01:19.21 | jimi_hendrix | basically its not mine i cant touch it...thats it |
| 01:19.39 | newsense | no problem |
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| 01:19.49 | jimi_hendrix | i have the firmware downloaded so i will be able to install it...but i want to know which disc i will need... |
| 01:19.57 | jimi_hendrix | for a basic install |
| 01:19.59 | amitz | I want to pass the internet connection I get from computer A to computer B and let computer B manage that connection (ipmasq/dnsmasq/proxy/etc). Is the correct term for the connection between computer A and B is bridge network? |
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| 01:20.08 | jimi_hendrix | (dont tell me basic debian takes 5 dvd's) |
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| 01:22.18 | jimi_hendrix | ... |
| 01:22.28 | jimi_hendrix | i guess it does take 5 dvd's worth :) |
| 01:23.43 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: you can install a basic system with GUI with just 1 CD |
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| 01:24.43 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: that won't work |
| 01:24.45 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 01:24.50 | jimi_hendrix | uhh ok |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: the firmware you need isn't on those 5 DVDs |
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| 01:25.17 | jimi_hendrix | i know |
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| 01:25.25 | jimi_hendrix | i have it on sda7 :) |
| 01:25.32 | jimi_hendrix | just waiting to be mounted |
| 01:25.48 | jimi_hendrix | all i need is a basic debian install... |
| 01:25.59 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: so maybe do a basic install and then install your wireless NIC |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | then use the netinst |
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| 01:26.51 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 01:26.56 | jimi_hendrix | so i use net install disk? |
| 01:28.03 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: net install as its name doesnt imply, is a very basic installation, hoping to find some network connection to install everything else |
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| 01:28.41 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 01:28.52 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: you'll only have command line then |
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| 01:29.08 | jimi_hendrix | ok...i want just gui... |
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| 01:29.17 | jimi_hendrix | wow this channel is big... |
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| 01:31.24 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: there are images of full GUI with either GNOME, KDE or XFCE available on 1 CD available |
| 01:31.25 | jimi_hendrix | KDE 4.2 or 3? |
| 01:31.25 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: the stable (etch) one has kde 3.3 AFAIK |
| 01:31.25 | jimi_hendrix | lenny please :) |
| 01:32.04 | alsd | jimi_hendrix: i've been told you can find unofficial images of lenny, but don't know where exactly |
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| 01:32.46 | jimi_hendrix | can i have a lenny with just gnome up to go please :) |
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| 01:33.13 | liable | !d-i |
| 01:33.14 | dpkg | 4.0r6 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 01:34.19 | liable | for lenny cd's see the last link |
| 01:35.10 | jimi_hendrix | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? |
| 01:35.18 | liable | yep |
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| 01:37.51 | fr0g | hi i have deleted my /boot partition... how can i rescue it? |
| 01:38.17 | alsd | fr0g: it depends what you mean by "deleted" |
| 01:38.19 | jimi_hendrix | ok...and netinstall or just get the first dvd and just use that... |
| 01:38.28 | jimi_hendrix | just curious...how did you do THAT! |
| 01:38.32 | alsd | fr0g: if you haven't overwritten it, there's some hope |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | jimi_hendrix: last time .. NETINST |
| 01:38.47 | fr0g | alsd: i did |
| 01:38.49 | abrotman | if you're not going to listen to us, please stop asking |
| 01:38.55 | liable | reinstall your kernels, and grub |
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| 01:39.24 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 01:39.25 | fr0g | ok, thank you. |
| 01:39.44 | liable | grub first |
| 01:40.26 | jimi_hendrix | sorry abrotman...im just a paranoid person and dont want to end up with just a terminal...if i wanted that i would install arch! |
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| 01:40.42 | abrotman | who cares if you do, you can install more later |
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| 01:41.04 | abrotman | your first goal should be getting your wifi working, and a GUI won't help you there |
| 01:41.14 | intx | help I can't 'su' but I can login as root, I don't know why |
| 01:41.39 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, i am not skilled with dpkg to install .debs but i guess i can google around or man it |
| 01:41.42 | eeg3 | do you have it set up so that only certain groups can su? |
| 01:41.59 | liable | you havent been playing with debootstrap lately have you? |
| 01:42.10 | intx | i was trying to, but then I commented the line out and removed the group wheel and it still won't let me do it |
| 01:42.39 | eeg3 | Check /etc/pam.d/su |
| 01:42.56 | eeg3 | if group=wheel is in there, you'll need to be in the wheel group |
| 01:43.18 | intx | #custom added |
| 01:43.19 | intx | #auth requisite pam_wheel.so group=wheel debug |
| 01:43.24 | intx | i commented it, it shouldn't be active |
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| 01:44.32 | intx | http://pastebin.com/m1250e9c7 |
| 01:44.52 | intx | that's what my /etc/pam.d/su looks like |
| 01:45.32 | eeg3 | do you have SU_WHEEL_ONLY in login.defs ? |
| 01:45.40 | intx | i didn't touch that |
| 01:45.53 | intx | #SU_WHEEL_ONLY |
| 01:46.01 | intx | (checked anyway) |
| 01:46.18 | intx | hm wish I used that now, probably would've saved myself a lot of headache |
| 01:46.31 | eeg3 | Dunno, if you don't have that in your pam.d then I'm not sure, sorry. |
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| 01:46.47 | intx | eeg3: could it be because I have the module loaded and now it doesn't work? |
| 01:46.59 | eeg3 | Perhaps |
| 01:47.14 | intx | just have no clue how to unload it without rebooting |
| 01:47.20 | intx | i tried killing sshd entirely |
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| 01:48.59 | intx | okay I un-commented the line, but I get this when I try to su |
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| 01:49.06 | intx | PAM-Wheel[19117]: Ignoring access request 'intx' for 'root' |
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| 01:49.30 | intx | i'm in the group 'wheel' and the line reads auth requisite pam_wheel.so group=wheel debug |
| 01:50.12 | liable | did you log out after adding yourself to wheel? |
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| 01:51.49 | intx | i think so |
| 01:51.59 | intx | but i'll log off and reconnect and try again |
| 01:52.07 | intx | still can't connect |
| 01:52.11 | intx | (su I mean) |
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| 01:53.07 | liable | you are reconnecting to a screen session are you? |
| 01:53.29 | liable | does 'groups' show you in wheel? |
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| 01:55.19 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use curlftpfs ? |
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| 01:55.59 | intx | liable: yeah it does |
| 01:56.08 | intx | just noticed something interesting, not sure if it helps any |
| 01:56.17 | liable | and screen? |
| 01:56.24 | intx | not in a screen |
| 01:56.32 | intx | auth sufficient pam_wheel.so debug trust |
| 01:57.13 | intx | (i'm not sure, but i think that's supposed to give every wheel user root if they type just su) |
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| 01:57.30 | intx | now when I try su, I get this: su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
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| 01:58.37 | alsd | intx: so it seems like you can change the configuration on the fly, or am I missing something ? |
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| 01:58.58 | djabbour | If I am trying to write software that looks for a specific input device attached (a touch screen), what is the "proper" way to determine its /dev/input/event#? I could parse /proc/bus/input/devices with string parsing, but that seems a little silly. Is there a better approach to do this? Ideally in a BASH script? |
| 01:59.45 | intx | alsd: yeah it seems that way, but I honestly am not sure |
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| 02:01.27 | alsd | intx: i think i like that one much : "From the point of view of the system administrator, for whom this manual is provided, it is not of primary importance to understand the internal behavior of the Linux-PAM library" (from pam(7)) man page |
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| 02:01.50 | alsd | intx: well, my guess it would be useful sometimes... |
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| 02:02.19 | batcoder-7 | i dnmt understand this |
| 02:02.38 | batcoder-7 | it takes curlftpfs to open a folder like 5 minutes |
| 02:02.54 | batcoder-7 | it enters passive mode and takes forever then finnaly at 5 mins it works |
| 02:03.38 | intx | alsd: hahaha yeah |
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| 02:04.28 | alsd | batcoder-7: maybe try looking at what's going on with a network sniffer such as tshark |
| 02:04.46 | batcoder-7 | its like its just waiting so long |
| 02:05.43 | acu_rodna | hey guys - I need badly to access an 1.5 TB hd and is formated with NTFS - I run etch and cannot install NTFS-3G some libaries dependency etc - it seem that my only solution is to update to lenny then install NTFS-3G - can anyone tell me if this is OK |
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| 02:06.13 | abrotman | acu_rodna: get ntfs-3g from backports.org |
| 02:07.12 | acu_rodna | abrotman: I tried but it won't install it needs some fuse libraries which are not there - I tried to install those libraries but they depend on something else ... what should I do |
| 02:08.17 | acu_rodna | abrotman: so I added the backports to the repositories - someone told me (was it you ?) to use aptitude |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | acu_rodna: show us the error |
| 02:09.52 | alsd | batcoder-7: do you have a router on your network? |
| 02:10.04 | batcoder-7 | i do |
| 02:10.13 | batcoder-7 | why does passive need to be port forwarded? |
| 02:10.27 | alsd | batcoder-7: it doesn't |
| 02:10.41 | batcoder-7 | so why would it matter if i was on a router ? |
| 02:10.46 | alsd | batcoder-7: that's active which needs special care from your router |
| 02:10.59 | batcoder-7 | huh? |
| 02:11.03 | batcoder-7 | it says its passive |
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| 02:11.52 | alsd | batcoder-7: ftp wasn't designed with NAT routing in mind, so it needs special knowledge from your router |
| 02:12.20 | alsd | batcoder-7: or you can use passive ftp, which doesnt require that special knowledge |
| 02:12.38 | batcoder-7 | it says its using passive |
| 02:12.43 | Kilotratt | Hi, i have started a process (btdownloadcurse) and wrote "&" after i started the bit torrent download because i wanted to do other things (using ssh from a remote location) no to the question: how do i bring it up again to see how the process is doing, and is it possible to have several "consoles" and change it with alt-f1 alt-f2 etc |
| 02:12.50 | batcoder-7 | just takes like 5 mins |
| 02:13.28 | alsd | Kilotratt: fg is your friend |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | Kilotratt: and learn how to use screen |
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| 02:15.11 | intx | man I just can't figure it out, I tried to mimic my actions in a virtual machine and everything ran fine |
| 02:16.00 | Kilotratt | alsd worked fine! :) |
| 02:16.29 | alsd | intx: maybe try to run su through strace ? |
| 02:16.46 | Kilotratt | abrotman, ok! |
| 02:16.54 | alsd | intx: and compare with your virtual machine |
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| 02:17.50 | alsd | intx: well, i just tried, seems like strace and su don't mix well |
| 02:18.56 | intx | yay :/ |
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| 02:21.20 | kinji | what is the best way to acces my NTFS windows partition (different drive) |
| 02:21.49 | alsd | kinji: ntfs-3g is good if you want read/write access |
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| 02:23.37 | batcoder-7 | alsd, any other ideas |
| 02:23.56 | kinji | alsd: thanks, works great! |
| 02:24.07 | alsd | batcoder-7: i told you you can try to run a network sniffer like tshark |
| 02:24.14 | hikenboot | anyone able to help with a problem with chroot ssh setup ? I get access is denied. I know I have the password right so i must be doing something wrong following http://www.howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch did it on both my debian and ubuntu box same problem |
| 02:24.30 | alsd | batcoder-7: but you'll need a bit of understanding of TCP and FTP to get through it |
| 02:25.26 | hyperair | hello. i'd like to upload a package to mentors.debian.net. it was previously acked (only once though) on ubuntu's revu. besides changing replacing Ubuntu MOTU Developers in the Maintainer field with mine, and changing the debian revision number to -1, and target to unstable, is there anything else i should change before uploading? |
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| 02:26.38 | NNNNooooOOOO | check this http://ihatekaty.com/?id=415110#6dzz5z54fsdq7ez78z8d |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | NNNNooooOOOO: go away |
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| 02:27.35 | intx | is there anyway to get pam or su to be very verbal? |
| 02:27.41 | liable | that was easy |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | hyperair: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:28.23 | hyperair | abrotman: ah thanks |
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| 02:32.41 | fr0g | 6how long (+/-) does the rub installation with --recheck takes?? |
| 02:32.46 | fr0g | *take |
| 02:34.13 | fr0g | * grub. ok, it solved ttself |
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| 02:34.32 | NNNNooooOOOO | check this http://ihatekaty.com/?id=415110#6dzz5z54fsdq7ez78z8d |
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| 02:34.36 | alsd | fr0g: it can take long if it's searching for a non existant floppy disk drive |
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| 02:38.25 | fr0g | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:39.22 | alsd | fr0g: are the files there? ie have you reinstalled grub? ("apt-get --reinstall install grub") |
| 02:39.50 | fr0g | alsd: yes i did |
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| 02:40.02 | fr0g | just googling |
| 02:40.52 | fr0g | seems this error occured because of recheck |
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| 02:41.53 | DJCIP | anyone know of a good calendar and task manager type php software i could use for free and put up on my server for me to use to keep track of my time ? |
| 02:42.38 | nsadmin | do most linux partitioning softwAre reserve 63 sectors near start of partition? |
| 02:43.19 | fr0g | alsd: yeah, it works fine without recheck |
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| 02:44.15 | hikenboot | does anyone have any chroot ssh directions that are known to work? |
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| 02:45.14 | SparFux | Hello. How can I find an ip on an interface? I lost my dsl modem and would like to ping it, but don't know the ip. |
| 02:45.15 | nsadmin | hikenboot: the only ssh directions I know of are east and southwest |
| 02:45.30 | nsadmin | hikenboot: directions to do what? |
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| 02:46.08 | hikenboot | do this http://www.howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch <===i get access is denied no matter what i set the password to |
| 02:46.24 | memnon | <memnon> Hi everyone. I just found out about the 'xset dpms force off' |
| 02:46.25 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.25 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.11 | nsadmin | xset for cli? |
| 02:47.21 | enouf | memnon: i think look in /etc/console*/config for DPMS settings |
| 02:47.39 | enouf | maybe dpkgreconfigure console-{tools,data} |
| 02:47.49 | enouf | er maybe dpkg-reconfigure console-{tools,data} |
| 02:47.59 | memnon | has a look... |
| 02:48.04 | memnon | nsadmin: basically yes |
| 02:48.52 | magyar | hi, in admin section of lenny there are packages called "fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686" << what are they for? |
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| 02:49.05 | nsadmin | not sure wht that command does with those args |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | magyar: read the package description |
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| 02:50.26 | memnon | mh, /etc/console-tools/config lets me configure, after how many minutes the screen will be blanked. But I want to do it whenever I want... |
| 02:50.30 | magyar | abrotman: it says display driver module for ati. I have and ATI bit those modules don't do anything for me, I still need to use "module-assistant " |
| 02:50.43 | magyar | s/bit/but |
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| 02:50.57 | abrotman | maybe they have more documentation |
| 02:51.21 | enouf | memnon: i'm thinking .. pretty sure there's a way .. just unsure which command/tool |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | enouf: memnon setterm -blank 0 .. or something like that |
| 02:51.57 | enouf | abrotman: good one |
| 02:52.07 | magyar | abrotman: I installed the packages in hope of seeing some documentation, but to my suprise there is nothing but a changelog.Debian.gz |
| 02:52.09 | magyar | sucks |
| 02:52.12 | enouf | setterm, stty, something |
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| 02:53.12 | memnon | enouf: setterm, yeah, just found it with google. Does not work |
| 02:53.28 | magyar | the package doe sprovide a fglrx.ko, but it like tits on a bull, no use |
| 02:53.46 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 02:53.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 02:54.05 | magyar | -_- |
| 02:54.08 | magyar | got me |
| 02:54.32 | memnon | setterm -powersave off: cannot (un)set power save mode |
| 02:54.46 | enouf | strace it |
| 02:55.02 | magyar | i do a modprobe fglrx, it loads and I get an error from xorg, .. somelike f-u no fglrx found |
| 02:55.27 | magyar | lsmod shows the module loaded |
| 02:55.29 | hikenboot | when loggin in as user after setting it up with those directions either method I get access is denied when trying to log in as a user i have setup |
| 02:56.00 | magyar | wow, what was that? |
| 02:56.22 | enouf | memnon: what's wrong with -blank |
| 02:57.38 | magyar | the other thing that pisses me of, is abrot is treating me as a newbie after two years\ |
| 02:57.53 | abrotman | try using my full name to get the full effect |
| 02:58.05 | magyar | nahh |
| 02:58.08 | magyar | i want to live |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | figures ... |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | magyar: so read the package description, look at the package contents, stop acting like a newbie |
| 02:58.39 | memnon | enouf: message is: cannot (un)set powersave mode |
| 02:58.42 | craigevil | magyar: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary?highlight=(ATI) make sure your xorg.conf is using the proper driver |
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| 02:59.52 | magyar | craigevil: apples and oranges , I am talking about a module that is built by debian I belive Sebastian Blank |
| 03:00.01 | memnon | enouf: But I boot the kernel with option: vga=0x317. Could this be a reason? |
| 03:00.01 | batcoder-7 | man thid curlftpfs is becoming a chore |
| 03:00.04 | magyar | atleast the changelog says so |
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| 03:00.23 | craigevil | just having the module installed doesnt magically configure xorg.conf |
| 03:01.10 | magyar | craigevil: the link you provided, I don't think is the same thing that I am talking about |
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| 03:02.09 | abrotman | magyar: read the package description .. what does it say ? |
| 03:02.41 | enouf | memnon: could be - that loads vesafb |
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| 03:03.15 | enouf | mirco_: might be more ACPI related though - is that a laptop? |
| 03:03.36 | enouf | i meant memnon , not mirco_ |
| 03:03.50 | memnon | enouf: yes. Thinkpad X30 |
| 03:03.52 | mirco_ | no prob |
| 03:04.02 | tcsh_noob | Somebody tell me how to get the first script argument in tcsh. I tried echo $argv[0] and echo $argv[1] but this prints [0] and [1] |
| 03:04.12 | memnon | enouf: well, xset works fine, I will take care of this later, enouf for today. Time to sleep... |
| 03:04.26 | enouf | memnon: folks in #ibmthinkpad might know more - see /topic there, follow to URLs |
| 03:04.56 | memnon | enouf: thx. n8 |
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| 03:05.28 | magyar | abrotman: "The AMD/ATI display driver supports graphic cards based on the r5xx and r6xx chipsets." I have a R520 |
| 03:05.37 | enouf | tcsh_noob: isn't there a #tsch ? |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | the whole thing ... |
| 03:05.47 | enouf | er #tcsh |
| 03:06.23 | tcsh_noob | enouf: no, it's empty |
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| 03:07.28 | magyar | abrotman: I am reading in "kpackage" and the part I pasted is the most relevant text I can find |
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| 03:07.59 | abrotman | please don't complain about being called a newbie again |
| 03:08.13 | enouf | tcsh_noob: right .. ok, well, try other networks? googlegroups/usenet? |
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| 03:09.28 | magyar | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-modules-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 03:10.16 | magyar | abrotman: atleast a hint, you cant just do that |
| 03:10.23 | abrotman | i already did |
| 03:10.32 | magyar | bahh |
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| 03:11.02 | tcsh_noob | enouf: I personally like #debian, because you guys are the ones who REALLY created Ubuntu, so you must be pretty smart; so how come ( echo $argv[1] ) doesn't print anything in tcsh ?! |
| 03:12.20 | enouf | tcsh_noob: personally? i suck, but i learn quickly ;-) not sure, i bet the bash (and even C) experts hae some ideas, i don't .. sorry - i'd go find out how bash does it (if at all) and extrapolate |
| 03:12.34 | enouf | s/hae/have |
| 03:13.03 | abrotman | tcsh_noob: the man page says they go in the argv array .. maybe you should try google |
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| 03:13.08 | tcsh_noob | enouf: I'm a C expert myself, but tcsh I almost never used |
| 03:13.21 | enouf | bash uses $@ or something as placehaolders for last command IIRC |
| 03:13.40 | enouf | tcsh_noob: try ##linux-coders and ##linux then |
| 03:13.48 | enouf | perhaps |
| 03:14.12 | enouf | is too lazty to read unknown man pages |
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| 03:15.50 | enouf | tcsh_noob: also, if no replies in most channels, try again later at various times of day/eve |
| 03:16.05 | tcsh_noob | ok thanks |
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| 03:17.50 | Skaag | I have a slightly corrupt base system, can I somehow restore it's integrity with debootstrap? |
| 03:19.26 | enouf | Skaag: silly question, imho |
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| 03:20.00 | Skaag | because the answer is yes? |
| 03:20.07 | Skaag | or because it's entirely irrelevant |
| 03:20.14 | enouf | no, the answer is |
| 03:20.17 | enouf | !42 |
| 03:20.17 | dpkg | i guess 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 03:23.33 | enouf | Skaag: just reinstall |
| 03:23.59 | enouf | Skaag: depending on what you mean by "corrupt" |
| 03:24.10 | enouf | does Bush and Cheney pwn it? |
| 03:24.32 | Skaag | kinda ;-) |
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| 03:24.36 | Skaag | I'll reinstall |
| 03:24.44 | enouf | i suggest agent orange then |
| 03:24.51 | abrotman | Skaag: dpkg doesn't work anymore ? |
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| 03:25.25 | Skaag | abrotman: I just copied over the /var/lib/dpkg from a clean vanilla system and it now works again |
| 03:25.37 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | Skaag: so is the system still broken ornot ? |
| 03:25.57 | pickcoder | is broken |
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| 03:26.04 | Skaag | I need to re-install pam, but there are still some inconsistencies |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | pickcoder: twins will dot hat |
| 03:26.12 | abrotman | !tell Skaag about reinstall |
| 03:26.21 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: i suggest sleeping on your head |
| 03:26.39 | pickcoder | the twins are sick too |
| 03:26.49 | pickcoder | I tried that but my memory started leaking out |
| 03:26.58 | enouf | apt-get --purge phlegm ; apt-get install chicken-soup |
| 03:27.07 | enouf | er +remove |
| 03:27.08 | abrotman | invalid command |
| 03:27.26 | enouf | !win me, by one second |
| 03:27.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, me, by one second! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 03:28.07 | enouf | passes pickcoder some RAM duct tape |
| 03:28.31 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:28.48 | pickcoder | I can just pick up a CircuitMedic repair kit and fix the holes |
| 03:28.51 | Skaag | I get this when trying the aptitude reinstall: |
| 03:28.54 | Skaag | Writing extended state information... Error! |
| 03:28.54 | Skaag | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the bash package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 03:29.33 | enouf | trried 'aptitude install -f' ? |
| 03:29.34 | abrotman | Skaag: your sources.list are messed? or your packages were out of date |
| 03:29.43 | Skaag | maybe both |
| 03:29.47 | Skaag | checking |
| 03:29.59 | Skaag | sources.list seems fine |
| 03:30.05 | Skaag | so the packages are out of date |
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| 03:30.14 | Skaag | :-\ |
| 03:30.19 | abrotman | so you might just want to try aptitude install bash |
| 03:30.35 | enouf | aptitude update! ;-) |
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| 03:30.46 | enouf | got a network connection? |
| 03:30.55 | Skaag | yes |
| 03:30.59 | Skaag | Reinstallation of bash is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 03:31.06 | Skaag | what binary does it use to download? wget? |
| 03:31.13 | Skaag | or LWP? |
| 03:31.14 | abrotman | you can just use wget |
| 03:31.27 | Skaag | ok |
| 03:31.28 | enouf | working? and cdrom line is commented out of sources.list .. use dpkg -i once wget d/ls |
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| 03:32.15 | pickcoder | wash, rinse, repeat for each dependancy |
| 03:32.24 | enouf | so aloof to me - abrotman maybe he was here earlier and/or you know more about his/her situation |
| 03:32.25 | Skaag | there's no cdrom line |
| 03:32.46 | Skaag | hm. |
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| 03:33.09 | enouf | where's Boz?! that's what Chalie's Angels keep asking me |
| 03:33.39 | Skaag | ok trying to dpkg -i the bash pkg gives me: dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `postfix' in statoverride file |
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| 03:33.59 | Skaag | that user must have existed in that "vanilla" os I took the /var/lib/dpkg from... ;-) |
| 03:34.26 | Skaag | here, removed |
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| 03:36.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.05 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:37.28 | Skaag | enouf: yes I know |
| 03:37.33 | Skaag | what would you do? |
| 03:37.46 | Skaag | the original /var/lib/dpkg was completely borked from a bad fsck session |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | i would /msg dpkg reinstall :) |
| 03:37.52 | Skaag | haha |
| 03:38.10 | enouf | depends, .. i'm having trouble assessing the real issue - in general; reinstall |
| 03:38.24 | enouf | !win abrotman |
| 03:38.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza! |
| 03:38.44 | enouf | types too much and too carefully |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | he really doesn't need to |
| 03:39.14 | enouf | you fix it! |
| 03:39.41 | enouf | erm .. depending upon whom 'he' is there |
| 03:40.24 | enouf | pats himself for finally correctly using 'whom' |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | he may need the confmiss option for the postfix package |
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| 03:42.20 | Skaag | which file in /var/lib/dpkg contains info which which packages are installed? |
| 03:42.20 | Skaag | info about |
| 03:43.15 | abrotman | the status file |
| 03:44.39 | enouf | Skaag: stop inflicting pain to yourself .. and others :-) |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | or just stop answering if you don't want to help |
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| 03:47.55 | toolz | hey guys |
| 03:48.14 | enouf | abrotman: there's really nothing to help .. but ok, you seem way too serious to be even close to being civil - i will stop responding |
| 03:48.14 | toolz | is there someone who can help me setup my wireless nic |
| 03:48.42 | toolz | I already downloaded ieee80211 and ipw2200 |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | toolz: which wifi device? |
| 03:48.56 | toolz | my nic is Intel R PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 03:49.00 | abrotman | enouf: that was perfectly civil, he doesn't ahve to reinstall |
| 03:49.02 | enouf | toolz: you need to tell us which debian release and uname -r |
| 03:49.05 | abrotman | !tell toolz about ipw2200 |
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| 03:49.36 | enouf | abrotman: you refer to a comment of yours i was not referring to |
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| 03:51.13 | toolz | abrotman I have those but it doesnt work I am trying to install it and it complains about not finding autoconf.h |
| 03:51.32 | toolz | I have 2.6.18-6-686 kernel |
| 03:51.41 | toolz | debian4.0r5 |
| 03:51.52 | enouf | toolz: apt-get -s install automake autoconf (perhaps) |
| 03:51.58 | toolz | I did it |
| 03:52.00 | toolz | same thing |
| 03:52.07 | enouf | you did what? |
| 03:52.08 | Sebboh | hi. Can I force all the files on a filesystem to be owned by nobody.nobody? I know how to do that if the filesystem is a remote Samba share or NFS mount, but what about an ordinary local ext3 fs? |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | toolz: you shouldn't ahve to compile anything |
| 03:52.13 | toolz | autoconf and automake is installed |
| 03:52.26 | Sebboh | to clarify, none of the files are created yet. |
| 03:52.35 | toolz | abrotman well how should I make it work? |
| 03:52.36 | enouf | <toolz> I already downloaded ieee80211 and ipw2200 <-- you already d/l from where? what? and ... |
| 03:52.44 | toolz | stew told me |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | toolz: you install the firmware .. |
| 03:52.50 | enouf | se update-alternatives toolz |
| 03:53.41 | toolz | abrotman the package firmware-ipw2x00 or firmware-ipw2200 doesnt exist |
| 03:53.44 | toolz | how should I install it? |
| 03:53.59 | enouf | ~# update-alternatives --config automake |
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| 03:54.08 | abrotman | toolz: read the rest of the factoid |
| 03:54.27 | toolz | enouf nothing to configure |
| 03:54.28 | enouf | Sebboh: perhaps |
| 03:54.30 | toolz | ok |
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| 03:54.41 | enouf | toolz: so, apt-cache policy automake |
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| 03:54.50 | Yamakiri | where is the bash history located in debian etch? |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | he still doesn't need automake |
| 03:55.00 | enouf | in ~/.bash_history |
| 03:55.03 | Yamakiri | thanks |
| 03:55.17 | Sebboh | enouf, I'm all ears. :) |
| 03:56.00 | toolz | I extracted the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 03:56.06 | enouf | Sebboh: see the example scripts in how the /etc/cron.daily/{find,*} do it |
| 03:56.23 | enouf | Sebboh: grep the init.d scritps |
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| 03:56.46 | abrotman | toolz: and then what did you do? |
| 03:57.08 | \amethyst | Sebboh: you can't force it, but you can chmod and then not give anyone permissions |
| 03:57.09 | toolz | nothing, I just asked what should I do |
| 03:57.11 | enouf | Sebboh: yes, updatedb uses nobody as user, not sure about group - also seeee file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 03:57.21 | toolz | after extracting the firmware there, I did nothing |
| 03:57.39 | \amethyst | Sebboh: but maybe you shouldn't---the whole point of the 'nobody' user is that it shouldn't have special access to anything |
| 03:57.42 | toolz | what should I do, I mean I am on bitchx right now on that machine with a normal nic not on wireless |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | reboot ? |
| 03:58.00 | toolz | its laptop |
| 03:58.01 | toolz | ok |
| 03:58.07 | toolz | brb |
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| 04:00.02 | Sebboh | enouf, uhm, scripts.. cron.. The filesystem will contain over 10 mil files spread across 32k directories.. Maybe I should be asking a different question here. I've got a huge datastore that will be added to, but never deleted from. How can I make accessing it as fast as possible? So far, it's just an ext3 fs with everything set to defaults except I mount it with noatime. |
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| 04:00.28 | enouf | Sebboh: note, i recall the apt-listchnages altered some speech in the aforementioned file i gave file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 04:00.33 | enouf | Sebboh: in sid |
| 04:00.49 | enouf | Sebboh: silly |
| 04:00.56 | Sebboh | sid? |
| 04:01.04 | enouf | Sebboh: man tune2fs |
| 04:01.14 | enouf | see dir_index |
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| 04:01.27 | Sebboh | sid, the unstable release? |
| 04:01.37 | HorrorHouse | Help i need help viewing this site: http://trmproductions.net/index.php |
| 04:01.38 | enouf | that seems NOTHING AT ALL to do with user:group nobody! |
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| 04:01.48 | toolz | back |
| 04:01.49 | abrotman | HorrorHouse: what's wrong with it? |
| 04:02.17 | Sebboh | enouf, right, sorry, I changed my question. Sorry. I realized that the bigger picture was more important. :) |
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| 04:02.38 | toolz | abrotman I rebooted should it work now? or what should I do exactly? |
| 04:02.45 | HorrorHouse | Idk |
| 04:02.47 | enouf | Sebboh: yes, my ladies often tell me how my being bigger is better ;-) |
| 04:02.49 | abrotman | toolz: look in dmesg |
| 04:02.49 | HorrorHouse | It wont load |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | HorrorHouse: which OS are you using? |
| 04:03.13 | HorrorHouse | Linux |
| 04:03.25 | abrotman | HorrorHouse: that's a kernel, which OS are you using? |
| 04:04.21 | enouf | Sebboh: i'm no FS expert, perhaps in the AM of EST you would get better opinions, ... also, defining you scenario real well helps |
| 04:04.48 | toolz | abrotman I see some ipw2200 Unknow symbol lines |
| 04:05.03 | abrotman | toolz: because you compiled the driver? |
| 04:05.04 | Sebboh | enouf, ok. You're some help, rest assured. Reading tune2fs now. :) |
| 04:05.12 | enouf | \o/ |
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| 04:05.28 | toolz | abrotman no I tryed but it failed saying autoconf.h does not exist |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | toolz: either that or you got the wrong firmware |
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| 04:05.45 | enouf | !find autoconf.h |
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| 04:06.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'autoconf.h' (6 of 22): (/usr/share/doc/jade/autoconf.htm) in text/jade ;; (/usr/share/doc/opensp/autoconf.htm) in text/opensp ;; (/usr/include/udm_autoconf.h) in web/mnogosearch-dev ;; (/usr/include/zzip/autoconf.h) in libdevel/libzzip-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/openjade/autoconf.htm) in text/openjade ;; (/usr/lib/ghc-6.8.2/include/ghcautoconf.h) in devel/ghc6. |
| 04:07.01 | enouf | dpkg: more |
| 04:07.02 | dpkg | more is probably a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to less, but only allows forward navigation through the file (although newer implementations of more do allow for limited backward movement). The command-syntax is: more [options] <file_name>, or less |
| 04:07.03 | abrotman | none of those are the one it wants i don't think |
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| 04:07.09 | enouf | grah! |
| 04:07.31 | enouf | !noone |
| 04:07.31 | dpkg | me thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also; ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do. |
| 04:07.47 | abrotman | msg the bot? |
| 04:08.04 | enouf | you need to get ________ |
| 04:08.12 | abrotman | you out of here? |
| 04:08.50 | Sebboh | Heh. Sometimes I forget it's friday night. Sometimes I'm reminded. :) |
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| 04:09.36 | flypiper | toolz, are you using Debian? |
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| 04:10.09 | toolz | yes |
| 04:10.15 | toolz | 4.0r5 |
| 04:10.22 | flypiper | apt-cache search ipw2200 |
| 04:10.29 | flypiper | what does that show??? |
| 04:10.35 | Ro0ster | I need help viewing this website: http://trmproductions.net/index.php |
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| 04:10.46 | sohail | what happens if a preinst script fails? |
| 04:10.49 | abrotman | Ro0ster: which OS are you using? |
| 04:10.56 | abrotman | sohail: you try to fix why it failed |
| 04:10.56 | flypiper | is there a module there that matches your kernel?? |
| 04:10.57 | Ro0ster | Linux |
| 04:11.08 | abrotman | Ro0ster: that's a kernel, which OS are you using? |
| 04:11.08 | enouf | flypiper: probably -~ubuntu-01.something |
| 04:11.13 | toolz | flypiper let me look |
| 04:11.22 | sohail | abrotman, but will the package installation abort/ |
| 04:11.23 | sohail | ? |
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| 04:11.26 | abrotman | Ro0ster: which versino of linux? |
| 04:11.37 | Ro0ster | latest |
| 04:11.38 | toolz | yes flypiper |
| 04:11.44 | abrotman | Ro0ster: OF WHAT? |
| 04:11.45 | enouf | Ro0ster: why? |
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| 04:12.24 | flypiper | toolz, apt-get install ipw2200-modules(that match your kenel)... problem solved |
| 04:12.29 | abrotman | sohail: it won't fail if ytou fix it |
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| 04:13.33 | abrotman | Ro0ster: which version of linux are you using? |
| 04:13.52 | Ro0ster | v2 |
| 04:14.11 | abrotman | Ro0ster: no you're not .. try a different channel, this one is not for you |
| 04:14.12 | toolz | done flypiper should I reboot? |
| 04:14.55 | flypiper | toolz, anything in /var/log/messages about it being installed? reboot if you feel you need to |
| 04:15.25 | flypiper | toolz, it should show up in using iwconfig.. if wireless tools are installed |
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| 04:15.31 | estiercol2 | Warning America!! Having a Niiigggger President can mean the end of civilization as we know it as society becomes gradually nigggerfuxated. Asians, whites, non-negroid Jews and Hispanics, Indians, and Native Americans join us in the fight against the feral Negro beast. http://www.chimpout.com This is a battle of humans vs niiigers. We like all races except nnniiigggers. |
| 04:15.38 | toolz | no, nothing in messages flypiper |
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| 04:15.39 | enouf | o m g |
| 04:15.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip72-207-22-131.sd.sd.cox.net] by abrotman |
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| 04:16.02 | enouf | thanks abrotman |
| 04:16.50 | toolz | brrr what the heck is doing that prick on irc anyway |
| 04:17.02 | abrotman | it's IRC, most everyone gets a voice |
| 04:17.13 | toolz | these shouldnt |
| 04:17.30 | enouf | toolz: who else "shouldn't" ? |
| 04:18.08 | pickcoder | monkeys with fez hats |
| 04:18.29 | toolz | flypiper what should I do now I mean I installed that one and I see in dmesg unknown symbols |
| 04:18.33 | enouf | wraps pickcoder in some more RAM duct tape |
| 04:18.45 | abrotman | toolz: if you just installed thos emodules .. you'd have to reboot again |
| 04:18.49 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | well .. .not have to, but it's "easier" |
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| 04:19.06 | toolz | k |
| 04:19.06 | enouf | .. really |
| 04:19.10 | toolz | brb |
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| 04:22.45 | toolz | dmesg still shows those Unknow Symbol for ipw2200 |
| 04:23.00 | toolz | unknown |
| 04:23.03 | abrotman | toolz: uname -r .. what does it say ? |
| 04:23.04 | liable | did you just build it from source? and why if you did? |
| 04:23.29 | toolz | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 04:23.39 | Skaag | heh gaza |
| 04:23.39 | Skaag | careful or they will use you as shield as well ;-) |
| 04:23.46 | toolz | and I installe ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 04:23.51 | toolz | installed |
| 04:24.30 | liable | remove the module, run depmod -ae and try reloading it |
| 04:24.38 | liable | didnt ipw go into .15? |
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| 04:24.40 | pickcoder | er.. yeah |
| 04:24.40 | toolz | abrotman should I leave the firmware ieee80211 in /lib/firmware ? |
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| 04:25.05 | abrotman | uhm .. i didn't think that needed any .. |
| 04:25.08 | pickcoder | liable: you mean kernel mode instead of module mode? |
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| 04:25.34 | liable | pickcoder: what do you mean? i thought it went into mainline in .15 |
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| 04:25.57 | liable | all the ipw need firmware |
| 04:26.13 | hark | probably a newer version |
| 04:26.21 | pickcoder | liable: I dunno.. it's available for .18 on my Etch box here |
| 04:26.27 | Skaag | ouch, I got around 1000 lines of chat in one big chunk... weird. |
| 04:27.02 | Skaag | it almost feels like someone ping -f'd my ip address ;-) |
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| 04:27.17 | toolz | hey liable |
| 04:27.33 | toolz | well I have no idea what should I do to make the wireless nic |
| 04:27.35 | pickcoder | Skaag: it could be the freenode leaf server you're on.. try one geographically closer |
| 04:27.56 | toolz | i installed the modules using apt-get but those unknown symbol lines for ipw2200 appear |
| 04:28.52 | toolz | if I do modprobe ipw2200 those lines appear again |
| 04:29.02 | toolz | I dont know how to paste I dont have a mouse |
| 04:29.25 | Guerin | !pastewithoutx |
| 04:29.25 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 04:29.30 | liable | toolz: either unload all the modules, including the ieee80211 ones, plus any crypto modules and reload them, or probably easier to just reboot |
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| 04:29.40 | pickcoder | he just did |
| 04:30.04 | toolz | ipw2200: Unknown Symbol ieee8021_wx_get_encondeext |
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| 04:30.07 | toolz | ipw2200: Unknown Symbol ieee8021_wx_get_enconde |
| 04:30.11 | toolz | such lines |
| 04:30.14 | Skaag | there it goes again |
| 04:30.14 | Skaag | I guess somebody here is tcp violent ;-) |
| 04:30.14 | Skaag | or should I say, icmp violent |
| 04:30.38 | toolz | liable I done have any ieee80211 module |
| 04:30.59 | toolz | dont |
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| 04:31.10 | liable | toolz: you just rebooted after installing the new modules did you? |
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| 04:31.29 | _adrenaline | Hey when I use rsync is there an arugument that will let me see the files transfer? |
| 04:31.29 | toolz | liable yes |
| 04:31.37 | toolz | the module from apt-get.. |
| 04:31.41 | pickcoder | _adrenaline: -v |
| 04:31.49 | _adrenaline | thanks pickcoder |
| 04:31.50 | pickcoder | _adrenaline: it's in the manpage |
| 04:32.21 | _adrenaline | I must have missed that or missunderstood it |
| 04:32.21 | _adrenaline | I will look again |
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| 04:32.22 | liable | toolz: run 'depmod -ae' and do it again |
| 04:32.22 | pickcoder | it shows each dir and file that is being sync'd |
| 04:32.31 | _adrenaline | Thanks for helping me |
| 04:32.44 | toolz | do again what? Install the module or reboot? |
| 04:32.55 | liable | reboot |
| 04:32.57 | toolz | k |
| 04:32.59 | toolz | brb |
| 04:33.01 | _adrenaline | pickcoder: I have a tip for you if you are so inclined a friend told me about iftop it is like top for a network |
| 04:33.20 | _adrenaline | Just wanted to trade knowledge in case you didn't know |
| 04:33.21 | pickcoder | I use iptraf |
| 04:33.23 | liable | hmm, dpkg doesnt show that modules package as available |
| 04:33.33 | pickcoder | ntop does similar too |
| 04:33.34 | _adrenaline | goes to check out iptraf |
| 04:33.35 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 04:33.41 | liable | pickcoder: do you see that package on your etch box? |
| 04:33.48 | pickcoder | what package? |
| 04:33.52 | liable | ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 04:34.20 | pickcoder | ipw2200-modules-2.6-686 |
| 04:34.34 | pickcoder | ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 04:34.40 | liable | there should also be a kernel version dependant package |
| 04:34.45 | liable | ah right, ta |
| 04:34.56 | pickcoder | it's in contrib |
| 04:35.13 | liable | i thought the bot had contrib in its database |
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| 04:35.58 | toolz | liable same Unkown symbol lines |
| 04:36.01 | toolz | wtf is wrong with it |
| 04:36.18 | hark | toolz: did you install or compile any ieee80211 thing? |
| 04:36.29 | liable | thats my guess |
| 04:36.55 | liable | toolz: did you try compiling ipw2200 at some stage? |
| 04:37.14 | flypiper | toolz, does lspci show the device as Network Controller 2200?? or something else?? |
| 04:37.21 | toolz | hark I tryed to install: ieee80211-1.2.18, but it didnt worked it was complaining about missing modules or something |
| 04:37.25 | fgleich_ | is anyone familiar with makedev for a usb device ? |
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| 04:37.28 | liable | ah |
| 04:37.36 | toolz | lspci unknown command |
| 04:37.44 | liable | toolz: do you have another kernel you can boot into? |
| 04:37.49 | toolz | nope |
| 04:37.50 | hark | toolz: reinstall your kernel image |
| 04:37.55 | toolz | ok |
| 04:38.02 | pickcoder | .me notes the .25 from BPO is tasty |
| 04:38.09 | toolz | I will reinstall and just install that ipw2200 modules using apt-get, ok? |
| 04:38.09 | pickcoder | s/./\// |
| 04:38.50 | Skaag | pickcoder: thanks |
| 04:38.56 | toolz | brb |
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| 04:39.47 | wad | wonders why both his debian servers suddenly require 30 seconds to ssh into. |
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| 04:40.15 | pickcoder | blame it on DNS |
| 04:40.17 | liable | ipv6 lookup on the client? |
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| 04:41.25 | wad | pickcoder: I think it's the same if I specify IP address.... |
| 04:41.27 | wad | tries |
| 04:41.35 | pickcoder | notes that everytime he sees dansushi join/part he craves a dragon roll |
| 04:41.44 | wad | yep, not DNS. |
| 04:41.54 | pickcoder | !win liable |
| 04:41.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 04:42.22 | liable | hey, you said to blame it on DNS! i merely suggested it might be! :P |
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| 04:42.54 | liable | second prize is pretty good for my head .. |
| 04:43.00 | wad | It's mega-slow right before executing this step: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password |
| 04:44.04 | liable | what have you dont to your sshd config lately? |
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| 04:46.22 | wad | liable: locally, or where I want to connect to? |
| 04:46.29 | wad | I guess the answer to both is the name: nothing! |
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| 04:48.22 | liable | wad: something must have changed if they are both just started doing it |
| 04:48.37 | liable | done a traceroute? |
| 04:49.26 | sfuentes | anyone know how tshark and tcpdump compare? |
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| 04:50.31 | vyrus001 | which lib package contains the gl.h file? |
| 04:50.46 | vyrus001 | getting a make error from glxint.h |
| 04:50.58 | liable | vyrus001: /msg dpkg search (apt-file is your friend) |
| 04:51.05 | enouf | you somehow prolly bricked your eeprom |
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| 04:51.30 | liable | enouf: huh? |
| 04:51.44 | enouf | non-working ipw2200 |
| 04:51.52 | pickcoder | vyrus001: which include path is gl.h under |
| 04:52.01 | pickcoder | there's everal gl.h headers |
| 04:52.06 | pickcoder | ~several |
| 04:52.07 | liable | nah, he compiled stuff, just symbol errors |
| 04:52.17 | wad | liable: not done a traceroute... we're all on the same, one hop away. |
| 04:52.22 | vyrus001 | pickcoder: referenced by glxint.h |
| 04:52.35 | liable | depending what yoy are compiling, you can usually take an educated guess |
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| 04:52.35 | vyrus001 | in /usr/include/GL/glxint.h |
| 04:52.35 | enouf | ew .. compiled? what, he's a gentoobian? |
| 04:52.35 | wad | I thought maybe that something changed in the packages maybe. |
| 04:52.39 | vyrus001 | yea i guessed a few times |
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| 04:52.40 | vyrus001 | nothin |
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| 04:53.09 | pickcoder | vyrus001: I know where that file is.. where is gl.h included from... usr/include/<something>/gl.h |
| 04:53.32 | bonez451 | help.. I just installed and only get 800x600.. my xorg.conf is empty.. no values in there telling it the higher res modes |
| 04:53.40 | enouf | fgleich_: /msg dpkg automount |
| 04:53.47 | vyrus001 | /usr/include/GL/glxint.h has an #include "GL/gl.h" in it |
| 04:53.57 | vyrus001 | so iono if thats GL/gl.h or GL/GL/gl.h |
| 04:53.59 | enouf | fgleich_: also; see usbmount, and man MAKEDEV |
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| 04:54.02 | vyrus001 | eather way i cant find the file |
| 04:54.12 | pickcoder | I just love relative includes... |
| 04:54.16 | vyrus001 | yea <_< |
| 04:54.33 | pickcoder | are you building under nvidia? |
| 04:54.36 | vyrus001 | no |
| 04:54.55 | liable | x11-proto-gl-dev ? only thing apt-file suggests.. |
| 04:54.59 | enouf | bonez451: lenny? |
| 04:55.06 | vyrus001 | well that might work |
| 04:55.08 | vyrus001 | trys |
| 04:55.09 | liable | x11proto-gl-dev |
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| 04:55.16 | pickcoder | the only glx related for gl.h is nvidia-glx-dev |
| 04:55.20 | bonez451 | enouf ubuntu 8.10.. actually |
| 04:55.24 | vyrus001 | damn |
| 04:55.25 | enouf | eww |
| 04:55.27 | vyrus001 | its installed alredy |
| 04:55.50 | batcoder-7 | question when editing files in geany and i click edit in gftp it does not ask me to reupload the chnaged file until i close geany why is this ? |
| 04:55.54 | pickcoder | ah |
| 04:55.56 | pickcoder | try mesa-common-dev |
| 04:56.49 | pickcoder | that's obviously for libxmesa |
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| 04:56.54 | pickcoder | xlibmesa even |
| 04:56.58 | vyrus001 | tries |
| 04:57.02 | enouf | the pkgs for Xorg support would likely be libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} |
| 04:57.31 | vyrus001 | heh score... new error but that one is done atleast ;) |
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| 04:57.59 | vyrus001 | hm... source problem |
| 04:58.03 | vyrus001 | some func = undeclared |
| 04:58.12 | pickcoder | missing includes still |
| 04:58.18 | pickcoder | probably another dev package |
| 04:58.30 | pickcoder | is this a debian source package? |
| 04:58.45 | vyrus001 | no |
| 04:58.51 | enouf | haha |
| 04:58.52 | vyrus001 | its from intel linux |
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| 04:59.03 | bonez451 | enouf: so can't help, right? |
| 04:59.07 | enouf | see #intel-gfx |
| 04:59.17 | pickcoder | you'll have to try and sort out the building error by hand and determine which packages are missing |
| 04:59.30 | enouf | bonez451: nope .. try ##linux if ubuntu is no help |
| 04:59.32 | pickcoder | it's probably way up the scroll... |
| 04:59.40 | enouf | erm #ubuntu |
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| 05:04.44 | toolz | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 05:04.57 | liable | so install the firmware |
| 05:05.01 | toolz | ipw2200: failed to register network device |
| 05:05.06 | toolz | I installed the modules |
| 05:05.14 | toolz | it seems to see the driver now |
| 05:05.16 | liable | i said firmware |
| 05:05.19 | toolz | yes |
| 05:05.24 | toolz | I was just telling you |
| 05:05.31 | toolz | so which firmware should I install |
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| 05:05.56 | liable | apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00 |
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| 05:06.18 | enouf | .. not again .. |
| 05:06.32 | liable | slowly we get there.. |
| 05:06.38 | toolz | the package does not exist liable |
| 05:06.54 | liable | toolz: you need non-free in your sources.list |
| 05:07.51 | toolz | how should I add non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list? is there a specific line for that or? |
| 05:08.13 | liable | toolz: surely you can google that one? |
| 05:08.26 | toolz | prfft. I am on links, it sucks a bit.. |
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| 05:08.45 | liable | toolz: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 05:11.32 | toolz | liable I added non-free after contrib. did aptitute update and package still does not exist |
| 05:12.17 | liable | my apologies, its only available in lenny on.. |
| 05:12.42 | liable | you have to get it from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php |
| 05:12.47 | toolz | k |
| 05:13.10 | liable | download the package and untar it in /lib/firmware |
| 05:13.14 | toolz | k |
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| 05:14.33 | toolz | liable I am not sure which version to get |
| 05:15.05 | toolz | 3.0? |
| 05:15.07 | liable | toolz: modinfo ipw2200 |
| 05:15.43 | toolz | version 1.2.0mq |
| 05:16.15 | liable | then yes, version 3 |
| 05:16.18 | toolz | so I should get 3.0 |
| 05:16.18 | toolz | k |
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| 05:18.20 | toolz | shit, when press enter on I agree |
| 05:18.23 | toolz | that message appears |
| 05:18.30 | toolz | Your browser reporter... |
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| 05:18.41 | vyrus001 | damn... intel-gfx is dead |
| 05:18.48 | toolz | linked from 'NOT_PROVIDED' |
| 05:18.56 | d-b | vyrus001: what? |
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| 05:20.51 | vyrus001 | d-b: had a soure error and i was told to ask in intel-gfx |
| 05:20.57 | vyrus001 | so i did... chan is pretty dead though |
| 05:21.02 | toolz | liable I cannot download that firmware with links |
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| 05:21.12 | toolz | any other browser I can use? instead of links? |
| 05:21.24 | liable | try links2 |
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| 05:21.30 | liable | or lynx |
| 05:21.43 | toolz | k |
| 05:21.46 | liable | toolz: why dont you have x? |
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| 05:22.25 | vyrus001 | toolz: elinks |
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| 05:23.07 | craigevil | use wget |
| 05:23.10 | toolz | liable I will install kde |
| 05:23.14 | toolz | or which one do you suggest |
| 05:23.20 | toolz | I will use it on my lappy :D |
| 05:23.25 | liable | craigevil: you cant wget it from there |
| 05:23.29 | toolz | the heck with windows im sick of it |
| 05:23.45 | sfuentes | anybody recommend packet sniff tools? |
| 05:23.51 | liable | toolz: you obviously have the net on that box, so why dont you install kde? |
| 05:24.20 | liable | i dont care, just wondering why you are punishing yourself with a console browser ;) |
| 05:25.11 | enouf | what? |
| 05:25.23 | toolz | what the fuck with lynx same shit |
| 05:25.24 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 05:25.24 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 05:25.30 | toolz | I will after I fix wireless |
| 05:25.32 | toolz | :d |
| 05:25.33 | simonrvn | !lart liable |
| 05:25.33 | dpkg | explains, ever so gently, that if liable doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 05:25.43 | enouf | or use friggin wget or curl |
| 05:25.46 | enouf | ffs |
| 05:25.59 | liable | you go and wget the firmware from that site |
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| 05:26.06 | simonrvn | OMGLOLIT'SSOHARDTOUSEATEXTBROWSER |
| 05:26.11 | toolz | give me a direct link pls |
| 05:26.26 | enouf | !be a text browser using barbie |
| 05:26.26 | dpkg | Aww, text browser using is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 05:26.32 | sfuentes | w3m is awesome! |
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| 05:26.51 | liable | simonrvn: i dont have a problem with text browsers, just wondering wtf he is using one, its obviously hard for an inexperienced user.. :P |
| 05:27.03 | toolz | liable, when I installed debian, when it asked me to install web server and stuff, I only selected laptop, no other things |
| 05:27.13 | toolz | I will want to use some X window system |
| 05:27.15 | enouf | shows toolz the meaning of hard ... |
| 05:27.19 | simonrvn | well, granted, if you're not used to using one, it can be confusing |
| 05:27.21 | enouf | yes .. a diamond :-P |
| 05:27.32 | sfuentes | there's always a first for everything |
| 05:27.33 | simonrvn | hard? no |
| 05:27.38 | toolz | liable can you please give me a direct link to that firmware |
| 05:27.39 | toolz | :d |
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| 05:28.01 | liable | you cant get a direct link to it.. |
| 05:28.07 | enouf | notes toolz is smart to remain focused on the aussie |
| 05:28.11 | toolz | :d |
| 05:28.13 | toolz | ok |
| 05:28.16 | sfuentes | toolz: what are u using? |
| 05:28.26 | simonrvn | and obsessed with ":d" |
| 05:28.26 | toolz | tryed: links links2 lynx |
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| 05:28.44 | toolz | all when I press I agree show that shitty thing |
| 05:28.58 | enouf | !shitty thang |
| 05:29.18 | liable | toolz: try links2 -g |
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| 05:29.20 | enouf | hrm, chitty chitty bang bang? |
| 05:29.29 | craigevil | are you trying to download the firmware? wget http://bughost.org/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz |
| 05:29.41 | enouf | !tell toolz -about links2 |
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| 05:30.19 | liable | craigevil: is that a reputable site? |
| 05:30.23 | enouf | !tell toolz -about links2 config |
| 05:30.44 | craigevil | thast where the download link redirects in iceweasel |
| 05:30.44 | debian40r6 | I just installed 40r6 the other day, and cant find a flashplayer to work. dose any one know where i can find, besides adob and packagemanager. |
| 05:30.49 | enouf | toolz: see your other windows with pms from dpkg |
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| 05:30.54 | liable | craigevil: ah cool |
| 05:31.06 | craigevil | i used kget and grabbed the url it used to download it |
| 05:31.07 | toolz | liable selected mode, though THAT still appears |
| 05:31.08 | toolz | lol |
| 05:31.19 | liable | toolz: see the link craigevil gave |
| 05:31.22 | toolz | and my laptop mouse is not working |
| 05:32.31 | liable | hmm, never heard of kget, /me looks |
| 05:33.22 | toolz | Ok I got it and I placed the extracted files in: /lib/firmware |
| 05:33.29 | toolz | is it ok? |
| 05:33.36 | craigevil | liable its the default kde download manager |
| 05:33.51 | toolz | btw how do I fix my mouse so I can use my laptop touch screen? |
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| 05:33.55 | liable | are they in there loose? they cant be in a dir of their own |
| 05:34.42 | toolz | how am I suppose to use the desktop system, kde or whatever Ill install without mouse :d |
| 05:34.42 | hark | toolz: isn't your finger the mouse for a touchscreen? |
| 05:34.56 | toolz | yeah but it is not working :) |
| 05:36.26 | toolz | should I reboot after adding the firmware? |
| 05:36.36 | liable | just reload ipw2200 |
| 05:36.52 | toolz | modprobe ipw2200 |
| 05:37.11 | toolz | ? |
| 05:37.12 | liable | you have to unload it first.. modprobe -r ipw2200 |
| 05:37.14 | hark | modprobe -r ipw200 && modprobe ipw2200 |
| 05:37.15 | toolz | k |
| 05:37.36 | liable | then check dmesg |
| 05:37.55 | sfuentes | isn't there an easier way? |
| 05:38.11 | liable | for what? |
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| 05:38.41 | toolz | liable : PCI enabling devicee ... ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
| 05:38.53 | liable | \o/ |
| 05:38.56 | sfuentes | too get wireless firmware |
| 05:39.01 | toolz | ipw2200: Detected geography ZZM (11.... |
| 05:39.04 | toolz | is it ok? |
| 05:39.17 | liable | toolz: does it mention firmware -2 ? |
| 05:39.20 | hark | sfuentes: not in etch |
| 05:39.31 | toolz | liable it doesnt mention anything about firmware |
| 05:39.34 | sfuentes | for broadcom debion comes with /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh |
| 05:39.47 | liable | sfuentes: intel now dont make you agree to the license, those chips and the agreement are pretty old. yeah, its a pita |
| 05:39.54 | liable | toolz: should be ok then |
| 05:40.10 | toolz | and how do I use it? :D |
| 05:40.26 | toolz | like a normal nic? or? how do I connect to wireless |
| 05:40.29 | sfuentes | i see |
| 05:40.58 | liable | toolz: install kde so you can use google and we dont have to spoonfeed you :P |
| 05:41.14 | toolz | liable what do you recommend kde? or other gnome or something else? |
| 05:41.19 | toolz | but I will need my touchscreen!! |
| 05:41.29 | liable | one step at a time |
| 05:41.31 | sfuentes | toolz: xfce |
| 05:41.40 | hark | toolz: installed gpm? |
| 05:41.50 | liable | just install kde and try it for a while, then think about other things |
| 05:42.08 | toolz | never used xfce of gpm, I used kde before |
| 05:42.14 | toolz | ok |
| 05:42.45 | toolz | just did apt-get install kde, installing |
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| 05:43.19 | hark | toolz: gpm is for mouse support in console |
| 05:43.38 | liable | toolz: you need to install xorg too |
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| 05:44.07 | sfuentes | every time i awake my laptop from sleep mode my touchpad stops working. anybody experience that? |
| 05:44.22 | debian40r6 | /exit |
| 05:44.28 | hark | debian40r6: /msg dpkg flash |
| 05:44.37 | toolz | hark I will install after it finishes |
| 05:44.53 | toolz | liable after it finishes I will install that too, k |
| 05:45.04 | enouf | wow |
| 05:45.16 | enouf | !install kde |
| 05:45.16 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 05:48.18 | toolz | done, kde, xorg and gpm |
| 05:48.50 | toolz | should I try startx? |
| 05:48.53 | toolz | or? |
| 05:48.54 | liable | /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 05:48.57 | toolz | k |
| 05:49.19 | toolz | doesnt exist |
| 05:49.40 | liable | hmm, i woulda thunk kde metapackage would have installed it.. |
| 05:49.43 | liable | install kdm |
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| 05:54.08 | liable | pictures toolz trying to get back to vt1/bitchx from x ;) |
| 05:55.00 | toolz | ok |
| 05:55.00 | pab | Does Debian have python 2.6? I don't see it in lenny |
| 05:55.03 | toolz | hahaha |
| 05:55.04 | toolz | LOL |
| 05:55.15 | toolz | exactly thats what I was trying to do, shit wihtout mouse |
| 05:55.30 | toolz | worked fine, I had to plug my usb mouse and worked |
| 05:55.34 | toolz | but what about mu touch screen |
| 05:55.38 | toolz | gpm is installed |
| 05:55.44 | liable | !laptop |
| 05:55.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
| 05:56.06 | toolz | liable I ticked laptop when I installed debian |
| 05:56.08 | liable | toolz: go look at those sites for info on your model and how to get touchscreen working |
| 05:56.09 | toolz | would that matter? |
| 05:56.24 | toolz | I want to first configure my wireless |
| 05:56.40 | liable | so go google how to configure wireless :P |
| 05:56.47 | toolz | LOL :D |
| 05:56.49 | liable | you can try network-manager-kde |
| 05:57.08 | toolz | I cant stay here I have a small cable I cant even sit on my chair |
| 05:57.14 | toolz | k |
| 05:58.44 | toolz | why cant I login as root on kde |
| 05:58.58 | liable | why do you want to? |
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| 05:59.11 | liable | open konsole and su in that |
| 05:59.13 | craigevil | change it in kcontrol, but like liable said why would you want to |
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| 06:00.41 | toolz | liable I cant change network stuff as other user in kde etc |
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| 06:00.53 | toolz | cant i just login as root, I wont use it just for such things like now |
| 06:01.14 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 06:01.27 | liable | in network-manager? |
| 06:01.30 | toolz | I am in kde trying to change network settings and I cant if I am not root |
| 06:02.02 | liable | how are you trying to change network settings? |
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| 06:03.06 | liable | NM should have added you to netdev, you probably need to log out for it to take effect |
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| 06:05.53 | craigevil | whom ever created NM should be dragged out and shot, it works when it wants to, wicd is a better choice |
| 06:06.13 | liable | its getting better |
| 06:06.30 | liable | slowly.. |
| 06:07.02 | craigevil | even following all the guides on the wiki its never worked on my eee |
| 06:07.12 | toolz | liable I found that kvmwifimanager |
| 06:07.24 | toolz | but I cannot press Switch to network button it sees the wireless |
| 06:08.00 | enouf | craigevil: dragged out, beaten, strung up and shot |
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| 06:08.06 | liable | toolz: type 'groups' as a user, are you in netdev? |
| 06:08.14 | huwenfeng | chinese people are being crazy now. |
| 06:08.19 | toolz | no |
| 06:08.24 | huwenfeng | the super market is full of people |
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| 06:08.33 | huwenfeng | spring festival is coming soon. |
| 06:08.38 | liable | well, in all fairness, you can blame it in the fucking horrible state that most drivers are in linux |
| 06:08.59 | liable | they are only just getting a framework to make them all work uniformly |
| 06:09.26 | toolz | liable toolz dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 06:09.28 | toolz | on groups |
| 06:09.31 | enouf | toolz: i suggest you use the shell for all commands, not bloated non-working GUI crap - it also has the benefit of returning possible useful error messages |
| 06:10.28 | liable | goes back to reading doom and gloom finacial news |
| 06:11.07 | Sebboh | Speaking of doom and gloom, what does this mean? Jan 23 22:08:00 asimov kernel: [80804.170474] EDAC MC0: UE row 0, channel-a= 0 channel-b= 1 labels "-": (Branch=0 DRAM-Bank=0 RDWR=Read RAS=0 CAS=0, UE Err=0x2) |
| 06:11.12 | craigevil | hehe cli has its advantages, I accidentally hit fn+f2 toady on my eee and couldnt figure out why wifi-radar wouldnt launch, |
| 06:11.23 | craigevil | s/toady/today |
| 06:12.02 | toolz | I want to enable wireless and I dont know how lol |
| 06:12.31 | liable | toolz: adduser toolz netdev; logout/login |
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| 06:12.54 | batcoder-7 | do you guys prefer a real ftp client to curlftpfs ? |
| 06:13.08 | liable | though i have no idea if the kde app you are using requires it.. |
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| 06:19.20 | toolz | brb |
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| 06:19.51 | toolz | done |
| 06:20.09 | liable | i meant log out of x |
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| 06:22.02 | toolz | yeah done |
| 06:22.42 | toolz | I saw those Wireless network but only configuration I cant seem to find any connect button or somthing |
| 06:23.03 | toolz | only on that wifi manager I scan for networks it sees the network but the button to switch to the network cant be clicked |
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| 06:24.24 | liable | well, seeing as i know fuck all about that network manager, i suggest you look in /usr/share/doc/kwifi (or whatever it is called) for how to make it work |
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| 06:25.07 | toolz | how do I switch back to kde without restarting kdm? |
| 06:25.14 | toolz | if I switched to this terminal |
| 06:25.18 | liable | alt+f7 |
| 06:25.33 | RO0T | can someone guess at what package i'm missing in lenny http://pastebin.com/fcb048b2 |
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| 06:26.57 | RO0T | can someone guess at what package i'm missing in lenny http://pastebin.com/fcb048b2 not sure it posted to the channel the first time i asked. ? |
| 06:26.59 | \amethyst | RO0T: libsox-fmt-ogg (probably libsox-fmt-all unless you're really low on disk space) |
| 06:27.15 | RO0T | \amethyst ty looking |
| 06:27.17 | \amethyst | RO0T: it was in fact visible the first time |
| 06:28.12 | RO0T | \amethyst yes i realized that when you answered, it's just that i posted before >>> -:- BitchX: Join to #debian was synched in 37.300 secs!! |
| 06:28.42 | RO0T | \amethyst and it looks like you nailed it first try. |
| 06:28.44 | RO0T | thanks |
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| 06:30.11 | toolz | liable there seem to be only changelog.tgz there |
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| 06:31.36 | liable | toolz: thats not very handy then. keep playing with it, theres probably something you are missing. I cant really help with it, cause i dont use it |
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| 06:31.58 | liable | toolz: what kind of security do you have on your ap? |
| 06:33.28 | toolz | nothing |
| 06:33.45 | toolz | I just cat see anything to connect on wifi |
| 06:33.58 | liable | whats the ap ssid? |
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| 06:36.46 | craigevil | the kde wifi tools are crap, either do it by cli or use wicd or wifi-radar |
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| 06:45.05 | craigevil | anyone know why using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso actually install xbuntu and not debian? |
| 06:47.28 | liable | hmm, network manager just worked exactly how it should have for me.. |
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| 06:53.10 | Sebboh | craigevil, you set the apt-sources to ubuntu repos? Or better: you screwed up and got the wrong CD? check the md5 sum, reburn, and try again. (I mislabel CDs a lot myself.) |
| 06:54.01 | intx | "PAM Always Malfunctions" |
| 06:54.04 | intx | yay!!! |
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| 06:57.27 | liable | intx: well, you are the one that played with it. was it not working before you screwed with it? |
| 06:57.34 | craigevil | frak my kid messed with my cds, nevermind :) |
| 06:58.09 | liable | thats why you ahem *legally* make copies of them and keep the originals safe :) |
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| 07:13.03 | kingsley | Why would xscreensaver keep displaying screen savers after the "Blank After" time out configured in xscreensaver-demo? |
| 07:13.36 | ukmnh | how do I make dpkg completely remove a package so it doesn't show up on dpkg -l (even as not-installed)? |
| 07:14.01 | kingsley | ukmnh: dpkg --purge <package-name> |
| 07:15.03 | ukmnh | kingsley: thanks |
| 07:15.17 | kingsley | You're welcome. |
| 07:18.41 | cads | gah how do i setup my sudoers file without fearing i'm opening my system up |
| 07:19.25 | cads | extended backus naur formalism? I don't want my permissions to be that general! |
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| 07:20.24 | ctux | hello |
| 07:21.18 | ctux | howto install nvidia driver on lenny? google and the nvidia installation notes on debian documentations page are not of much help |
| 07:21.30 | craigevil | !nvidia |
| 07:21.31 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 07:22.28 | cads | dpkg sudomites |
| 07:22.28 | dpkg | cads: i don't know |
| 07:22.33 | cads | dpkg sudoers |
| 07:22.33 | dpkg | sudoers is probably You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 07:25.09 | ctux | " m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 07:25.09 | ctux | " i have lenny installed from yesterday daily built mini iso, so VERSION should be the one coming by default with it? |
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| 07:28.26 | ctux | this whole thing is too much compilcated, guess im good without nvidia driver, at least wont mess my system |
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| 07:29.30 | DIFH-iceroot | if i am installing debian etch 4.0 and do an apt-get upgrade, will i have debian etch 4.0r6? |
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| 07:30.17 | rshakin | hey is there a guide on how to enable Dri with ati drivers |
| 07:30.18 | liable | DIFH-iceroot: yes |
| 07:30.29 | DIFH-iceroot | liable: thx |
| 07:30.37 | yang | dillo has been removed from lenny, which is some other lightweight web browser |
| 07:31.00 | liable | DIFH-iceroot: you might need to dist-upgrade |
| 07:31.05 | enouf | rshakin: lsmod | grep edac |
| 07:31.26 | enouf | judd: versions dillo |
| 07:31.26 | judd | enouf: dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 sid: 0.8.6-3 |
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| 07:31.54 | DIFH-iceroot | liable: what is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 07:32.08 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 07:32.08 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
| 07:32.18 | rshakin | enouf: ok did that nothing showed |
| 07:32.20 | enouf | read the debian-reference FFS |
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| 07:32.32 | liable | DIFH-iceroot: man apt-get :) usually dist-upgrade isnt needed on stable, but due to the openssl debacle, you may need to |
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| 07:32.41 | rshakin | enouf: direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set) |
| 07:32.44 | enouf | rshakin: sorry then, no can help == see #ati or #fglrx |
| 07:32.56 | DIFH-iceroot | normaly i am using dist-upgrade to update ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 |
| 07:32.56 | liable | enouf: your a little testy tonight. chill out a bit |
| 07:33.15 | enouf | liable: yes, i'm going to sleep now ,.. thanks |
| 07:33.23 | enouf | gn |
| 07:33.28 | liable | later |
| 07:35.08 | DIFH-iceroot | liable: thank you for the help |
| 07:35.53 | liable | np |
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| 07:37.48 | enouf | liable: one last thing ; yes, due to openssl debacle, dist-upgrade is needed as well as security lines in sources.list |
| 07:38.47 | liable | sends the sandman after enouf |
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| 07:57.17 | Ace2016_- | i'm trying to set a new x-www-browser but it doesn't seem to be working |
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| 07:57.54 | Ace2016_- | but it doesn't show up in the list when i run --config on x-www-browser |
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| 08:07.20 | d-b | hi i have a nas (headless) |
| 08:07.28 | d-b | getty is slowing it down majorly |
| 08:07.34 | d-b | how can i reduce the lag ? |
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| 08:11.28 | craigevil | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser doesnt show iceweasel? or are you trying to set it to use Mozilla's Firefox |
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| 08:31.54 | dancor | based on http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn, i want _both_ a 2.6.28 kernel and that firmware for Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN, right? |
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| 08:39.08 | dancor | also is it going to be easy to get all the kbuild stuff for 2.6.28 |
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| 08:42.42 | eix | can somebody please tell me if is there something terribly wrong in these iptables? http://rafb.net/p/VG7te184.html |
| 08:42.43 | amphi | dancor: I'm running .28 here - what do you mean? |
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| 08:44.28 | dancor | amphi: did you build a .deb yourself for linux-image |
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| 08:44.36 | batcoder-7 | what ftp clients do you guys use? |
| 08:44.43 | gusto | ftp |
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| 08:45.08 | gusto | bsd ftp, because the one in linux is not good |
| 08:45.30 | amphi | dancor: yes - make-kpkg FTW |
| 08:46.11 | SoulSeller | What a shame... |
| 08:46.19 | SoulSeller | "because the one in linux is not good" |
| 08:46.23 | batcoder-7 | i dont get how ftp from command linme can wrok |
| 08:46.24 | SoulSeller | As you say. :) |
| 08:46.53 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: what seem to be the problem? |
| 08:47.05 | batcoder-7 | how can you transfer alot of files at once? |
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| 08:47.29 | dancor | i was looking for a pre-existing .deb first and can't find one but i found this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg605399.html |
| 08:48.03 | dancor | does this bug report imply that there is a .deb in the debian apt sources somewhere |
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| 08:48.13 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: most client have mget and mput which support wildcards. some clients can put or get recursively. |
| 08:48.22 | jelly-home | prefers lftp |
| 08:48.51 | batcoder-7 | can you edit? |
| 08:48.57 | jelly-home | edit? |
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| 08:49.18 | batcoder-7 | jelly, yea like edit things on the remote server |
| 08:49.29 | jelly-home | ftp doesn't allow that directly |
| 08:49.42 | batcoder-7 | do any of those programs you mentioned from CL ? |
| 08:50.01 | jelly-home | if you want to fake it, you can use curlftpfs to mount a remote ftp |
| 08:50.49 | jelly-home | lftp is a command line tool. |
| 08:51.11 | amphi | dancor: no idea - there's no official .28 pacakge as far as I know |
| 08:51.19 | amphi | dancor: what's wrong with make-kpkg? |
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| 08:52.04 | batcoder-7 | jelly-home, i tried so hard to get it to work and yea never got it too work |
| 08:52.22 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 08:52.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:52.58 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: we'll need more specific information to even try to help |
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| 08:54.34 | marthajohnes | is there any way to get nvidia 71xx driver in lenny? Or make a Vanta card work in general? |
| 08:54.44 | batcoder-7 | i think helping is not even needed, i tried for 3 hours |
| 08:55.52 | jelly-home | why mention it in a support channel, then |
| 08:56.22 | batcoder-7 | i say that in disappointment i couldnt get it to work |
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| 08:56.53 | diazepam | hi all - can anyone recommend an intranet chat server? |
| 08:57.48 | diazepam | i have a organisation with 50 users that requires its own internal chat server - preferably compatible with pidgin client |
| 08:58.15 | eix | diazepam: I would suggest IRC |
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| 08:58.36 | dancor | amphi: did you just start with the debian 2.6.26 config and then do a makeconfig, for .28? |
| 08:59.37 | diazepam | eix - yeah good thought. However users need to be able to set their status (like with google chat - Mike is away or Mike is out for lunch and so forth) |
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| 09:00.12 | eix | diazepam: well..then you should opt for some of the open IM protocols |
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| 09:00.45 | diazepam | eix - what would you suggest |
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| 09:00.56 | diazepam | i have looked at jabber but cant seem to find intranet setup |
| 09:01.04 | eix | diazepam: sorry, I don't handle any |
| 09:01.06 | diazepam | jabber looks like it requires internet access |
| 09:01.22 | diazepam | eix no problems thanks for bouncing so ideas around |
| 09:01.25 | eix | diazepam: just look for one which has a freely available server software |
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| 09:02.05 | ttyX | can i install debian from a fta32 usb stick? |
| 09:02.10 | ttyX | fat32* |
| 09:02.30 | ttyX | sinsce its 8gb in size gparted refuses to format in fat16 |
| 09:02.35 | ttyX | since* |
| 09:02.49 | dancor | amphi: i guess i'll just module-enable 'Intel Wireless WiFi Next Gen AGN' that i need a hope for the best if anything else big changed |
| 09:02.56 | dancor | s/a/and |
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| 09:05.24 | batcoder-7 | jelly-home, so; the only way to edit files with command line is to DL the file edit and re up ? |
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| 09:07.46 | amphi | dancor: cp your current kernel's config to linux-2.6.28/.config and do make oldconfig |
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| 09:09.14 | eix | I have compiled 2.6.28 but when GRUB loads it I get a flashing numlock key |
| 09:09.26 | eix | isn't the bzImage bootable? |
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| 09:09.59 | amphi | eix: vanilla .28 works fine here |
| 09:10.52 | eix | amphi: in my case it freezes instantly and caps lock flashes |
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| 09:11.39 | gionn | eix, caps lock blinking --> kernel panic |
| 09:12.21 | krux0 | kernel panics? crash? |
| 09:12.27 | krux0 | not good |
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| 09:13.21 | eix | gionn yes I am suffering a kernel panic.. |
| 09:13.26 | Trewas | batcoder-7: that's the only way it works anywhere, but virtual filesystems (fuse, gvfs, etc) may fake it so downloading/uploading are done transparently to the editor and user |
| 09:13.47 | batcoder-7 | how is gvfs? |
| 09:13.52 | batcoder-7 | does it work the same way ? |
| 09:14.00 | gionn | eix, can also be a stupid thing, like the root parameter wrong |
| 09:14.37 | eix | gionn: I will use the partition UID, thanks! |
| 09:14.52 | eix | gionn: I remember some distros saying my root was 'sda5' and some 'hda5' |
| 09:14.54 | eix | flavours.. |
| 09:15.07 | Trewas | batcoder-7: yes, and the program must explicitly use it for it to work (so only some gnome programs support it) |
| 09:15.10 | gionn | yes eix, depends on how udev is configured |
| 09:15.19 | batcoder-7 | oooo |
| 09:15.30 | batcoder-7 | Trewas, so it cant just mount to a file system ? |
| 09:15.50 | eix | gionn: shall I be safe with the UUID? |
| 09:16.06 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: or make curlftpfs work |
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| 09:16.19 | batcoder-7 | jelly-home, its not going to happen :( |
| 09:16.19 | dutchfish | eix, are you using vinalla 2.6.28 or 2.6.28.1? |
| 09:16.31 | krux0 | eix, why use UUID? |
| 09:16.37 | eix | dutchfish: how to check that? |
| 09:16.48 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: do you have ssh access? |
| 09:16.49 | Trewas | batcoder-7: well, it looks like it mounts them as normal file system, but "behind the scenes" it has to download/upload files to edit them |
| 09:16.51 | eix | krux0: to not specify 'sda5' or 'hda5' every time |
| 09:17.01 | gionn | yes eix, the UUID it's the preferred method of many distros |
| 09:17.13 | dutchfish | eix, on running system uname -a or at the first lines of dmesg |
| 09:17.15 | krux0 | just look out for what you set in the kernel for IDE |
| 09:17.21 | jelly-home | batcoder-7: if you do, there's sshfs |
| 09:17.25 | batcoder-7 | jelly-home, i don't |
| 09:17.26 | krux0 | do you configure your own kernel? |
| 09:17.41 | eix | dutchfish: it's not yet running..I have a linux-2.6.28.tar.bz2 extracted archive |
| 09:17.52 | dutchfish | eix, get the 2.6.28.1 |
| 09:18.22 | dutchfish | eix, or use ketchup of you extracted the tarball |
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| 09:19.26 | dutchfish | eix, /msg kp-mantra how to compile it |
| 09:19.41 | dutchfish | eix, er: /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
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| 09:21.16 | dutchfish | gionn, debian uses devmapper for UUID so unless you use encrypted devices, there is no need in debian to use the UUID itself |
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| 09:21.49 | batcoder-7 | jelly-home, i mean it just takes forever to load with curlftpfs, it mounts fine no errors but when i try to goto the dir it takes like 5 mins to open literally |
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| 09:22.45 | turneralex | heyy, whats that magical little package called that lets you run redhat packages again? |
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| 09:23.40 | dutchfish | !alien |
| 09:23.41 | dpkg | alien is probably a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 09:24.48 | geophoenix | Debian 5.0 "Lenny" will become stable in June 2009? |
| 09:24.49 | dutchfish | turneralex, or you can install rpm |
| 09:25.24 | turneralex | Hahaha, just an apt-get rpm? |
| 09:25.25 | dutchfish | geophoenix, not none yet, but it will probably sooner |
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| 09:25.37 | geophoenix | k |
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| 09:25.53 | geophoenix | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/debian_5_0_lenny_in_june_2009 found this article |
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| 09:26.22 | dutchfish | turneralex, aptitude show rpm |
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| 09:28.08 | dutchfish | turneralex, in short use alien, unless you have a special need to have pure rpm installed (wich you should not if you can prevent it at all cost) |
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| 09:29.56 | dutchfish | turneralex, i found that most of my needs are all in the debian repos, you more likely converting fro debian ro rpm |
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| 09:30.19 | turneralex | dutchfish: Hahah nahh its for some IP over Fiber channel stuff |
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| 09:30.46 | dutchfish | turneralex, driver blobs? |
| 09:30.47 | turneralex | Which ultimately i'd like running on Gentoo, but Debian is good for testing because everything just works making it the best distro out there |
| 09:31.00 | turneralex | im a total n00b at linux im a networking person |
| 09:31.03 | turneralex | ..and im 16 so :S |
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| 09:32.09 | dutchfish | TurboBee, hehe, np mate, age is of no importance in here ;) gogo debian |
| 09:32.32 | rprettyman | woo debian |
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| 09:35.13 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 09:35.13 | dpkg | i guess debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 09:35.48 | debianisdabest | 4 rizi |
| 09:36.02 | turneralex | :) |
| 09:36.10 | turneralex | yeah its awesome stuff |
| 09:36.17 | turneralex | im trying to conf a FCoIP network |
| 09:36.31 | turneralex | with a router running debian, for WAN access |
| 09:36.37 | dutchfish | turneralex, iSCSII stuff? |
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| 09:36.55 | dutchfish | turneralex, ah ic |
| 09:37.01 | turneralex | nahh, just fart arseing around lol. im also playing with IPoIB 8gbps infiniband :P |
| 09:37.08 | turneralex | and each machine is a router |
| 09:37.10 | geophoenix | <why debian> |
| 09:37.15 | geophoenix | :P |
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| 09:37.20 | turneralex | unlike other distros |
| 09:37.24 | eix | gionn: didn't work |
| 09:37.25 | dutchfish | !tell geophoenix about whydebian |
| 09:37.27 | turneralex | in debian everything just works |
| 09:37.38 | eix | gionn: it's not something related to the root partition..it crashes almost instantly |
| 09:37.48 | dutchfish | turneralex, not 'always' but mostly yes |
| 09:37.54 | gionn | eix, so the problem is in your kernel configuration |
| 09:38.05 | turneralex | dutchfish: I've got my own little DC im trying to start a WISP :S lol blog.turnerzworld.com if you're curious |
| 09:38.06 | turneralex | lol |
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| 09:38.39 | geophoenix | It is maintained by its users. < i like this : ) |
| 09:38.49 | turneralex | :) |
| 09:39.11 | dutchfish | turneralex, looks good, sure nice |
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| 09:39.43 | turneralex | dutchfish: :) |
| 09:39.47 | eix | gionn: this is something that I won't fix easily, isn't it? |
| 09:39.48 | turneralex | ahh |
| 09:39.59 | turneralex | it looks as though the drivers have installed how can i confirm that? |
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| 09:40.15 | gionn | eix, not unless you have some experience in kernel configuration |
| 09:40.27 | eix | I have the 2.6.27 .config |
| 09:40.35 | eix | but if something big has changed..that will be a problem |
| 09:40.54 | dutchfish | turneralex, well, you could try to load them with modprobe |
| 09:41.06 | gionn | eix, it's the right way reusing .config for old kernels |
| 09:41.13 | gionn | the 2.6.27 works for you? |
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| 09:41.24 | eix | gionn: yes, but I need to test out the 2.6.28 |
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| 09:41.30 | renton_ | hello which ftp/sftp client do you suggest me on gnome? thanks |
| 09:41.35 | turneralex | dutchfish: hmm how does turneralex do that? lol |
| 09:41.51 | dutchfish | turneralex, modprobe foo |
| 09:42.06 | gionn | eix, are you following some guide on how to compile the kernel? |
| 09:42.10 | turneralex | nolikey |
| 09:42.22 | eix | gionn: I have some instructions on a .txt file :) |
| 09:43.10 | dutchfish | turneralex, so you have used alien to convert the rpm and installed with dpkg ? |
| 09:43.18 | turneralex | yes sir |
| 09:43.21 | eix | gionn: I will ask a friend of mine for a working 2.6.28 .cofnig |
| 09:43.23 | eix | *config |
| 09:43.46 | dutchfish | turneralex, then there should be some manuals in there too, i have no clue on your driver's specifics |
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| 09:43.59 | turneralex | ahh kk |
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| 09:44.12 | turneralex | it says it should create network int |
| 09:44.13 | turneralex | let me seee |
| 09:44.22 | turneralex | nooppe |
| 09:44.25 | turneralex | imma install the card |
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| 09:45.21 | dutchfish | turneralex, and 2nd: is your kernel usable for that ie. i gues it need things like routing bridging etc etc inspect your /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 09:46.12 | amitz | I want to save a partition to a file so that I can delete that partition and still have the data in a file. I want to be able to mount that file. what's the instruction? is dd safe? will there be some complication such that I can't mount it? |
| 09:46.39 | jackweb | Hello. Is it OK, if my Debian boots in 30 second? I removed a few daemons from rcconf, but I´d like make Debian booting faster. |
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| 09:48.46 | dutchfish | jackweb, read up also about minimal initrd in latest debian lenny |
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| 09:49.11 | jackweb | uhm... minimal initrd, I'll read |
| 09:49.38 | dutchfish | jackweb, only lenny yet, i believe its not in backports (not usre) |
| 09:49.45 | dutchfish | s/usre/sure |
| 09:49.57 | jackweb | dutchfish: I'm using Lenny ;D |
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| 09:51.39 | turneralex | jackweb: It takes my servers like 10 minutes to boot bro! |
| 09:51.39 | turneralex | haha |
| 09:51.58 | mixman | dont reboot me bro! |
| 09:52.02 | mixman | lol |
| 09:52.17 | dutchfish | mmm... 10 min as a lot, but it all depends on configuring your services |
| 09:52.52 | mixman | does anyone know of a tutorial with info one should know comparing synaptic with apt-get |
| 09:53.09 | mixman | ive noticed different behavior between them when installing packages |
| 09:53.12 | dutchfish | mixman, comparing what? |
| 09:53.31 | mixman | synaptic vs apt-get installation of packages |
| 09:54.04 | mixman | e.g. placement of menu items and related packages/dependencies |
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| 09:54.37 | dutchfish | mixman, you can use synaptic on commandline so you can both direct there output like apt-get search, show or apt-policy to direct to a file, then run a diff |
| 09:54.41 | mixman | apt-get will usually install more stuff than synaptic when installing various packages |
| 09:54.45 | mixman | hmm |
| 09:54.49 | debianisdabest | synaptic uses apt-get ? |
| 09:55.00 | mixman | because in theory synaptic is just a front end for apt-get |
| 09:55.00 | amitz | mixman: I'm not aware of any, but I have experience on both. At first I rely solely on synaptic. Now on aptitude. |
| 09:55.08 | debianisdabest | apt-get is faster lighter because synaptic is more of just a graphical front end |
| 09:55.09 | mixman | but ive noticed different behavior |
| 09:55.21 | debianisdabest | such as? |
| 09:56.28 | mixman | just what ive said, apt-get will sometimes install related packages and libraries where synaptic decides it doesnt need them |
| 09:56.51 | mixman | and one will sometimes place different system menus for said app than the other |
| 09:57.06 | dutchfish | mixman, you could be run in one of aptitudes better solving solutions for deps. i dont use apt-get or synaptic anymore these days, because aptitude does a better job, /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 09:57.12 | turneralex | dutchfish: Is there a way for me to list what drivers are installed :/ ? |
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| 09:57.49 | mixman | aptitude is the one i havent used much |
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| 09:58.52 | dutchfish | turneralex, thats a hard one, some come with the kernel, some are managed by m-a some you maybe have installed out of dpkg's view |
| 09:59.09 | dutchfish | !m-a |
| 09:59.10 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
| 09:59.29 | turneralex | ahh kk |
| 09:59.31 | turneralex | cheers |
| 09:59.43 | mixman | apps still work fine with either ive just noticed the different behavior |
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| 10:00.59 | dutchfish | turneralex, delving into m-a would be of great benifit |
| 10:01.08 | turneralex | hmm |
| 10:01.13 | turneralex | yeah things arent working here at all |
| 10:01.14 | turneralex | lol |
| 10:01.46 | dutchfish | turneralex, what kernel, and what exactly you want o acomplish? |
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| 10:02.13 | mixman | on another unrelated note i never seem to be able to get wireshark to work outside of root, im sure thats just a user/group thing though, i should look into that |
| 10:02.49 | dutchfish | mixman, it can work as non-root, but you dont have all options, while running as root might be risky |
| 10:02.59 | mixman | i know |
| 10:03.15 | mixman | i probably need to add myself to some group(s) |
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| 10:03.38 | dutchfish | mixman, well i not gone tell you to rtxm, wont i? |
| 10:04.07 | mixman | rtfm? :P |
| 10:04.18 | mixman | that usually helps dont it lol |
| 10:04.19 | dutchfish | mixman, there you go ;) |
| 10:05.35 | mixman | i want to play around with capturing flash video packets, im banking on streaming flash being straightforward as .flv format, perhaps header info aside, once i parse the packet sequence |
| 10:05.57 | mixman | id like to roll a solution to record streaming flash |
| 10:06.16 | dutchfish | mixman, there are many ways to do that, but maybe tcpdump might be a better friend, or iptables itself |
| 10:06.28 | mixman | perhaps |
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| 10:06.49 | dutchfish | mixman, snort has some nice things to for this |
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| 10:07.06 | Jo_R | Hello |
| 10:07.39 | mixman | has anyone noticed a weird monitor issue where the screen size keeps resizing, i find myself having to adjust the horiz on my physical monitor |
| 10:07.49 | mixman | on multiple drivers |
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| 10:08.06 | dutchfish | mixman, tip: get yourslef a copy of linux firewalls (michael rash) |
| 10:08.11 | mixman | either ists some new xorg bug since last updates, not sure when.. |
| 10:08.21 | mixman | or i have a failing id card or monitor |
| 10:08.28 | mixman | video |
| 10:08.32 | dutchfish | mixman, psad fwsnort has nice stuff to delve into |
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| 10:08.43 | Jo_R | I wanted to ask howto find out in a bash script if a package is installed |
| 10:09.59 | dutchfish | Jo_R, man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 10:12.25 | mixman | but if monitor size keeps chaning on a crt i assssume that would mean the timings have changed, vsync seems to be fine its only the horizontal |
| 10:12.58 | mixman | on both nv and nvidia drivers |
| 10:13.09 | mixman | its a recent development on my box |
| 10:13.24 | turneralex | dutchfish: Ahh trying to install the IPFC drivers on debian, which were written exclusively for RHEL and that SUSE shit |
| 10:13.46 | dutchfish | turneralex, you can grab a tarball of the source? |
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| 10:14.04 | dutchfish | turneralex, arent they ni debian already? |
| 10:14.09 | dutchfish | s/ni/in |
| 10:14.13 | turneralex | nopee |
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| 10:14.22 | turneralex | LFPC is not LFPCIP |
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| 10:14.34 | Jo_R | "dpkg-scanpackages" is not what I'm looking for... |
| 10:14.36 | turneralex | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103050&package_id=205429 |
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| 10:15.21 | Jo_R | apt-cache show gives the information I need, but I can't hande it |
| 10:15.39 | mixman | i think the multimedia-keyring package should be in main, so i at least have a trusted signature chain |
| 10:16.02 | mixman | im paranoid like that |
| 10:16.22 | mixman | i hate grabbing it from the web |
| 10:16.42 | jackweb | /aprt/window 2 |
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| 10:17.02 | dutchfish | turneralex, at the top of my head they where in wnpp in Sarge/Etch and have been removed (prolly because of there bugs) |
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| 10:18.08 | dutchfish | turneralex, you could build a package out of those yourself |
| 10:18.22 | turneralex | dutchfish: If i knew how to :P |
| 10:18.33 | dutchfish | turneralex, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 10:18.52 | moodhugs | hi i just did the mark all upgrades thing a while ago and now one of my programs doesn't work. how do i reinstall the old working versions? |
| 10:18.59 | turneralex | :O |
| 10:19.00 | dutchfish | turneralex, a bit of reading i admit, but its not as hard as it seams, i use it now and then |
| 10:19.20 | turneralex | thinks he should pay someone instead :S |
| 10:19.42 | dutchfish | turneralex, no room for lazy admins in here ;) (just joking) |
| 10:19.50 | turneralex | HAHAHA |
| 10:19.52 | moodhugs | i should really stop upgradeing it always seems to break something |
| 10:20.06 | ktwilight_ | moodhugs, which verison? |
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| 10:20.38 | moodhugs | i'm using lenny, and the latest upgrades made blender stop running at all |
| 10:20.43 | mixman | hmm |
| 10:20.49 | ktwilight_ | ah |
| 10:20.57 | ktwilight_ | hm, no probs for me in lenny so far, though i don't use blender |
| 10:21.03 | mixman | i should try blender, is it good |
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| 10:21.14 | moodhugs | it was good. =( |
| 10:21.22 | mixman | i installed the nvidia driver so i could play wsith ogl |
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| 10:22.06 | ktwilight_ | moodhugs, tried recompiling blender? |
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| 10:22.35 | mixman | but either there is some new cross driver xorg display bug or i have a failing gpu/monitor |
| 10:22.51 | moodhugs | recompiling? i don't have the source. last time i tried to compile something it failed it always does for me |
| 10:23.01 | mixman | i keep having to resize my horizontal screen size at random, always by the same amount |
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| 10:23.13 | mixman | it will bounce back between them every so often |
| 10:23.50 | mixman | if no one else has experienced this its probably a hardware issue |
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| 10:24.01 | mixman | because ive tried several display drivers |
| 10:24.05 | moodhugs | is there no way to undo an upgrade? |
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| 10:25.11 | mixman | i need an excuse to upgrade my vid card anyway, then if its the monitor i will buy a new one as well |
| 10:25.36 | dutchfish | turneralex, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-alpha%40lists.debian.org/msg24014.html |
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| 10:26.56 | turneralex | dutchfish: That's easy stuff |
| 10:27.03 | turneralex | i've got fiber channel working |
| 10:27.07 | dutchfish | turneralex, maybe you can get the old one form the archives and start from there |
| 10:27.21 | dutchfish | turneralex, ok |
| 10:27.22 | turneralex | but im trying to get IP traffic over the fiber channel link |
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| 10:27.40 | mixman | mmm fiber |
| 10:28.04 | mixman | i want fiber channel hdd on any new board i get |
| 10:28.19 | dutchfish | turneralex, if you are patient maybe others cna help you better then me i have not much exp on that particular subject |
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| 10:28.23 | mixman | im thinking of external raid box |
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| 10:29.19 | mixman | but this monitor thing is annoying |
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| 10:30.12 | mixman | hardware always fails in strange ways though, doesnt make sense why it would fail like this but one never knoows |
| 10:30.46 | dutchfish | mixman, rule out prop software first like bloated video drivers |
| 10:30.50 | mixman | screen size will grow/shrink by about half inch on both sides |
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| 10:31.14 | mixman | it does this on free and binary drivers |
| 10:31.19 | mixman | ive ruled out the driver |
| 10:31.28 | mixman | unless its some crossdriver thing with xorg |
| 10:31.38 | mixman | its just weird |
| 10:31.54 | mixman | hasnt happened in the last several hours |
| 10:32.13 | dutchfish | mixman, inspect you /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:32.19 | mixman | hmm |
| 10:32.35 | mixman | ill take note when it happens again |
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| 10:34.08 | amitz | how to mount the result of dd if=/dev/hda1 of=test.img ? |
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| 10:37.51 | mixman | i want to write a lkm and have complete preemptive control over all cpus |
| 10:38.08 | mixman | for special circumstances |
| 10:38.15 | dutchfish | amitz, mount -t [your fs] -o loop foo.img /mnt/foo |
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| 10:38.36 | amphi | amitz: mount -t some_fs -o loop filename mount_point |
| 10:39.34 | amitz | dutchfish+amphi: thx |
| 10:39.53 | mixman | i want to be able to take full cooperative control i meant, not preemptve, in a kernel module and suspend execution on all other cores then return control |
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| 10:40.44 | mixman | this is probably a #kernel question |
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| 10:41.51 | mixman | but just wondering if id need to recompile the kernel to be able to have cooperative module code of if i could just do this with csertain syscalls |
| 10:42.07 | mixman | only need this for certain rare instances |
| 10:42.13 | SethX | re all, i'm about to perform a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 10:42.19 | mixman | eh |
| 10:42.31 | SethX | am i supposed to start praying, and get ready to reconfig everything, or should it go smooth? |
| 10:42.31 | mixman | ive had bad luck with dis-upgrade |
| 10:42.44 | dutchfish | mixman, m-a and its man pages |
| 10:42.48 | mixman | i prefer a clean install |
| 10:42.55 | moodhugs | upgrades never go smooth for me |
| 10:42.57 | SethX | i'm only doing this because i need the new apache, as etch stops at 2.2.3 |
| 10:43.01 | mixman | dutch thx |
| 10:43.13 | SethX | any other way to update that without a dist-upgrade? |
| 10:43.52 | dutchfish | SethX, had a look at bpo for apache2? |
| 10:43.54 | moodhugs | you can switch repository to lenny and just select that package and then switch back to etch. but it may not work ;p |
| 10:44.03 | SethX | ??bpo |
| 10:44.06 | dutchfish | !bpo |
| 10:44.06 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 10:44.49 | mixman | yea i hate having to grab packages from sid, too much dependency work |
| 10:44.51 | SethX | i think i already have that.. let me check |
| 10:45.03 | mixman | dist-upgrade is a pain imo |
| 10:45.16 | dutchfish | SethX, cat /etc/apt/sources.lst will tell you |
| 10:45.32 | mixman | i did the etch -> lenny thing about 6 mo ago, didnt like it |
| 10:45.37 | SethX | ive already got it in fact |
| 10:45.43 | SethX | yet no new apache |
| 10:45.45 | SethX | .. ? |
| 10:45.46 | dutchfish | SethX, ah ok |
| 10:45.56 | dutchfish | !info apache2 |
| 10:46.06 | moodhugs | etch-> lenny made my computer crash randomly, i had to reinstall the kernel from etch then it worked |
| 10:46.13 | mixman | hmm |
| 10:46.23 | dpkg | apache2: (Apache HTTP Server metapackage), section web, is optional. Version: 2.2.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
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| 10:46.26 | mixman | for me it was mostly fonts and crap hat got butchered |
| 10:46.31 | mixman | just lil things |
| 10:46.40 | mixman | made a fresh lenny install after that |
| 10:46.40 | SethX | shivers at the idea of an unstable server. i can already hear my cell ringing. |
| 10:47.06 | moodhugs | i found after the upgrade, things were missing from gnome. so i selected the package gnome and it fixed all that |
| 10:47.08 | dutchfish | SethX, yes, unless you know how to do a bpo build yourslef from sid |
| 10:47.12 | mixman | yea |
| 10:47.30 | ktwilight_ | i've upgraded etch->lenny the other day, it worked fine |
| 10:47.39 | SethX | well i could compile from source, but thats not the point of package management.. :) |
| 10:47.48 | dutchfish | SethX, did that some times myself, without any problems (if you know what you are doing) |
| 10:47.58 | mixman | u could always look at the dist-upgrade notes to work around known issues |
| 10:48.04 | SethX | i already was forced to compile erlang from source because etch has an old version in it. pain. |
| 10:48.10 | SethX | :) |
| 10:48.33 | dutchfish | SethX, right, but debian will take some time for getting it to bpo (to proctect one thing: YOU) |
| 10:48.38 | ktwilight_ | maybe you have some mix-versions :/ |
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| 10:48.59 | mixman | lenny's wine seems to be working better recently on an unrelated note |
| 10:49.10 | dutchfish | SethX, so, basically, if it is not in BPO (yet) wait with it |
| 10:49.10 | mixman | some apps i couldnt get to run suddenly work |
| 10:49.31 | SethX | i cant. i need a feat which only exists starting in apache 2.2.6 |
| 10:49.44 | SethX | damn reverse proxying |
| 10:49.50 | moodhugs | so there's no way to undo the last upgrade that screwed up my system? |
| 10:50.02 | mixman | still had an issue where the window wouldnt move around in x but at least it ran |
| 10:50.03 | dutchfish | SethX, the stage o flenny (frozen) also slows down new incoming packages |
| 10:50.12 | SethX | moodhugs: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda |
| 10:50.41 | ktwilight_ | dutchfish, yea :( |
| 10:50.57 | moodhugs | that might be my only option. and switch to windows. i thought linux was better than this |
| 10:51.13 | ktwilight_ | it sure is, depending on how you use it |
| 10:51.14 | ktwilight_ | :P |
| 10:51.16 | SethX | its the user that makes the difference, moodhugs |
| 10:51.21 | mixman | im considering running windows in a vm |
| 10:51.27 | mixman | wine still can be a pain |
| 10:51.35 | dutchfish | SethX, in the event you cant wait do the bpo yourslef, but DONT mix repos, ever! |
| 10:51.45 | mixman | i do a lot of windows dev anyway |
| 10:51.46 | ktwilight_ | vbox has been good so far |
| 10:51.51 | ktwilight_ | though resource hungry :( |
| 10:51.59 | dutchfish | SethX, at least not with SID |
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| 10:52.29 | SethX | dutchfish: ok. so i guess my only option is to build from source, manually create a list of files, install, archive the list of files, and once something newer gets into bpo delete out the files manually from the list and apt-get install apache2 again, right? |
| 10:52.42 | mixman | well normally for my userspace apps wine is ok, its other people's bloat thast is the problem |
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| 10:53.03 | dutchfish | SethX,no, not from source, get source pack from SID and compile, meet deps and rool your own deb |
| 10:53.21 | moodhugs | if it's impossible to downgrade than the only other option is hope upgradeing to sid fixes the problems in lenny |
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| 10:54.00 | dutchfish | SethX, yes, as soon bpo gets newer, you can flip the switch by purging your own installed deb |
| 10:54.19 | mixman | im having udev issues as well when setting up rules, my scrript gets called multiple times instead of once on trigger events |
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| 10:54.27 | SethX | ok, ill give it a shot. |
| 10:54.37 | mixman | i should put a wrapper app around it to kill multiple instances |
| 10:54.45 | SethX | thans dutchfish |
| 10:54.47 | dutchfish | SethX, dont build on a production machine, will you ;) |
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| 10:54.58 | SethX | thats what i was thinking. :) |
| 10:55.05 | dutchfish | SethX, create the deb on a test machine |
| 10:55.07 | SethX | i need to set up a clone.. fuck. |
| 10:55.21 | dutchfish | SethX, gl |
| 10:56.03 | mixman | not a big deal, i can just have an app wait for a few seconds to kill additional instancs that are called, but its a matter of why its doing this at all |
| 10:56.28 | dutchfish | SethX, also read up about pbuilder and building in a chroot |
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| 10:57.15 | dutchfish | !pbuilder |
| 10:57.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
| 10:57.24 | SethX | dutchfish: does that include the regular fun of finding anc copying all the needed libraries, as per regular chroot? |
| 10:57.43 | SethX | ah. nice. |
| 10:57.43 | dutchfish | SethX, sort of |
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| 10:57.58 | moodhugs | nope sid has the exact same versions of everything i upgraded. so only the broken version exists. |
| 10:58.16 | SethX | moodhugs: what exactly IS broken? |
| 10:58.43 | moodhugs | i don't know. all i know is blender won't run on debian anymore |
| 10:58.58 | SethX | and so that means debian is broken? |
| 10:59.08 | SethX | wasnt blender discontinued btw? |
| 10:59.08 | moodhugs | yes |
| 10:59.28 | moodhugs | i have no idea. if it is. then that would mean it would never work again |
| 10:59.48 | SethX | get windows & rhinoceros. saves lots of headaches. |
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| 11:00.26 | mixman | rhinoceros? is that kinda like reactos |
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| 11:01.01 | SethX | no. its a 3d modeling suite |
| 11:01.05 | mixman | oO |
| 11:01.16 | SethX | aka rhino |
| 11:01.16 | mixman | how des it compare to blender |
| 11:01.24 | geophoenix | will debian lenny have kde4 or kde3.5 ? |
| 11:01.27 | moodhugs | i guess i can manually download all the old versions it shows in my history and hope for the best |
| 11:01.36 | mixman | 3.5 |
| 11:01.38 | dutchfish | geophoenix, 3.5 |
| 11:01.45 | SethX | mixman: it works :) |
| 11:01.59 | SethX | runs |
| 11:02.00 | mixman | id like to play around with it |
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| 11:02.31 | geophoenix | kde 4 will be available in debian sid ? |
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| 11:02.32 | mixman | i need to put windows in a vm, but for the moment i can work on gl backend crap from debian |
| 11:02.49 | maligor | geophoenix, you do realize what sid is :P |
| 11:02.51 | dutchfish | geophoenix, wait till lenny get stable, it will roll in bpo then prolly |
| 11:02.56 | mixman | my card is dated though, only gl 1.5 |
| 11:03.04 | maligor | SethX, why would blender be discontinued? |
| 11:03.17 | SethX | maligor: i remembered something wrong |
| 11:03.20 | geophoenix | debian sid unstable ? |
| 11:03.27 | SethX | taking it back |
| 11:03.28 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 11:03.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 11:03.50 | mixman | has anyone compiled truecrypt for deb |
| 11:03.56 | maligor | sid has a incomplete kde4 I think |
| 11:04.02 | mixman | it needs a maintainer, maybe i should adopt it |
| 11:04.08 | geophoenix | ok |
| 11:04.15 | mixman | using ubuntu's package was fail |
| 11:04.18 | dutchfish | maligor, yes, its incomplete |
| 11:04.20 | maligor | experimental has 4.1, and there's also a unofficial repo with 4.2rc's |
| 11:04.40 | maligor | using the 4.2rc's atm, it's the first version 4 worth using :P |
| 11:04.51 | mixman | that could have been because my sudo wasnt set up though |
| 11:05.18 | mixman | i could use ubuntu's package only as root, and only read-only at that for mounted volumes |
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| 11:07.56 | mixman | my gripe with setting up luks partitions at install is it takes forever to wipe a disk |
| 11:08.10 | mixman | shred and urandom are slow on debian |
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| 11:09.06 | mixman | not sure why, on some linux distros they're fast, others painfully slow |
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| 11:10.10 | mixman | i think i can skip the overwrite pass during install |
| 11:10.22 | mixman | faster to just overwrite manually beforehand |
| 11:10.23 | maligor | moodhugs, you can always try the binary (or source) distributions blender3d distributes on blender.org, they're self contained |
| 11:10.42 | moodhugs | i already have. |
| 11:10.47 | dutchfish | mixman, urandom is faster on systems with more entropy, the irony is that clean systems tend to be slower |
| 11:10.54 | maligor | moodhugs, it doesn't work either? |
| 11:10.58 | moodhugs | no |
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| 11:11.11 | maligor | what 3d card/driver are you using? |
| 11:11.21 | moodhugs | nvidia |
| 11:11.24 | mixman | some livecds i have its very fast, an hr to wipe 250gb |
| 11:11.41 | mixman | on deb its like a few seconds just to wriye 20mb with either |
| 11:11.41 | maligor | that's strange then, nvidia bins shouldn't have any issue |
| 11:12.08 | mixman | takes 5 hrs to setup debian w/ encrypted luks |
| 11:12.17 | moodhugs | can someone else just try blender that has all their lenny upgrades done? |
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| 11:12.41 | mixman | but i think i can skip that in the installer |
| 11:13.00 | mixman | no sense in wiping on reinstall after its already encrypted once |
| 11:13.16 | SethX | mixman: if youreally want to wipe your disk, take a look at the ubcd, they have some wiping utilities in it. |
| 11:13.26 | mixman | im just scared of it because i had bad luck with cd install failing |
| 11:13.33 | amitz | I can't solve this GPG error in apt-cacher-ng from sid. anybody has an idea? |
| 11:13.35 | mixman | on etch and lenny |
| 11:13.43 | mixman | that was a long time ago |
| 11:13.51 | amitz | running apt-cacher-ng from sid on lenny |
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| 11:14.13 | mixman | but still sometimes get the redscreen on install |
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| 11:14.43 | regurgitate | hi |
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| 11:15.36 | mixman | ive had the occational clean install crap on itself on first or second boot too |
| 11:15.57 | mixman | installing deb seems like a crapshoot sometimes |
| 11:16.17 | mixman | i use weekly builds |
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| 11:17.11 | mixman | but once i get a good install is normally quite stable |
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| 11:19.03 | mixman | a few times ive had clean installs spew error flood on my console during the first couple boots |
| 11:19.18 | mixman | not even trying to fix that lol |
| 11:19.39 | petemc | did you file a bug? |
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| 11:19.54 | mixman | i didnt even know where to begin |
| 11:20.05 | mixman | i just made another install |
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| 11:21.01 | mixman | but on a working system ive only had dmcrypt go haywire once or twice after i had been using it awhile |
| 11:21.32 | mixman | trying to write past the end of the volume, just completely borked |
| 11:21.42 | petemc | does it feel good to complain about it here and get it off your chest? |
| 11:21.51 | mixman | not rly |
| 11:21.55 | petemc | so why do it? |
| 11:22.09 | mixman | does it feel good to compain about my 'complaining'? |
| 11:22.17 | petemc | a bit |
| 11:22.27 | mixman | shrugs |
| 11:24.08 | dutchfish | mumbles soemthing about: all your bugs belong to us |
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| 11:24.51 | moodhugs | downgrading |
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| 11:26.05 | mixman | ok ill bite, who says im 'complaining', i am discussing on-topic debian-related things |
| 11:26.33 | mixman | hmm, that does feel better... |
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| 11:32.16 | dutchfish | how can i make udev being more verbose in its logging (i want debug messages) the debian way, i know i can start the daemon in debug mode manually, but thats not what i am looking for |
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| 11:34.06 | lixus | how can i make sure that /dev/fuse is rw for group |
| 11:34.06 | mixman | no clue about udev, i just added udev rules to call scripts on various conditions |
| 11:34.21 | mixman | they seem to get called multiple times |
| 11:34.43 | mixman | sso i just put a wrapper app around my script to kill the additional instances |
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| 11:35.19 | dutchfish | mixman, i am fighting (analyzing) some udev bugs, so everytime i need to restart the machine, i need to setup eveything manually or script it, the problem is i want to capture udev messages on boot (debug modus) |
| 11:35.19 | mixman | i wanted to set up logging as well but couldnt find a better way |
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| 11:35.49 | mixman | so i just made rules to call my scripts on the subsystems i wanted monitored |
| 11:36.20 | dutchfish | mixman, the only goal is to report the bugs (logs) |
| 11:36.36 | moodhugs | it's anoying downgrading one by one |
| 11:36.40 | mixman | hmm |
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| 11:37.21 | moodhugs | it may not work. but it's my best option |
| 11:38.18 | mixman | udev.conf is as a mysstery to me, hence the .rules hack |
| 11:38.25 | dutchfish | mixman, i got it nvm its in /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 11:38.36 | dutchfish | !udev |
| 11:38.36 | mixman | udev.conf is set to udev_log="err" by default |
| 11:38.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules>, or <udev details> |
| 11:38.46 | mixman | yea |
| 11:38.58 | dutchfish | mixman, thanks |
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| 11:43.14 | dutchfish | mixman, i am trying to trace machine hangs by udev on install/boot floading tmpfs (with per example a voip phone) making the system into a race condition |
| 11:43.27 | mixman | yikes |
| 11:43.53 | dutchfish | mixman, there are more devices that can do this, so i want to know why |
| 11:44.37 | dutchfish | mixman, aslo found a simular in syslog |
| 11:44.50 | dutchfish | s/aslo/also |
| 11:45.10 | dutchfish | resulting in a >20G log file |
| 11:45.44 | suzu | hi |
| 11:46.05 | mixman | 20 gig log file? |
| 11:46.16 | dutchfish | yes |
| 11:46.29 | mixman | thats like over 9000MB! |
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| 11:47.38 | mixman | for me it was just udev rules to monitor events, but for acrual error logging i am clueless |
| 11:47.49 | dutchfish | i gues, there should be a protection like 5 same mesages, then fall back to this message has been repeated xxxx times, bailing, well turns out udev does not |
| 11:47.49 | shyam_k | is there a free software project for piano?, making laptop keyboard to be the piano keys..:) |
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| 11:48.17 | moodhugs | continuing to downgrade |
| 11:48.25 | shyam_k | a music synthesiser |
| 11:48.25 | shyam_k | ? |
| 11:48.53 | miksuh | shyam_k: awouln't it be easier to use midi keyboard ? |
| 11:49.00 | shyam_k | s/synthesiser/synthesizer/ |
| 11:49.15 | shyam_k | ah i'll check that.. |
| 11:50.21 | mardi | debian rocks! |
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| 11:51.31 | dutchfish | miksuh, you could delve into rosegarden, qsynth, jack and related |
| 11:51.36 | mixman | there was an article on /. about putting deb on phones now |
| 11:51.54 | mixman | severything in the repo can be installed on it |
| 11:52.08 | mixman | :) |
| 11:52.11 | shyam_k | miksuh: thanks.. now it shows me the right things:) |
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| 11:54.13 | SethX | dutchfish: how do you specify compile options from for a src deb? |
| 11:54.30 | dutchfish | SethX, you mean things like $ARCH ? |
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| 11:54.40 | SethX | like --with-something |
| 11:55.00 | dutchfish | SethX, i believe you do that in .rules file |
| 11:55.01 | SethX | ./configure options, to be correct. |
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| 11:56.36 | dutchfish | SethX, the debian/RULES file |
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| 11:57.10 | dutchfish | SethX, export DH_OPTIONS does then the magic |
| 11:57.41 | SethX | export DH_OPTIONS=--with-blah , and it gets called in automagically? |
| 11:57.47 | dutchfish | SethX, you are not x-compiling? |
| 11:58.01 | SethX | i'm using that pbuilder thing |
| 11:58.22 | SethX | trying to figure it out still :) |
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| 11:58.56 | dutchfish | SethX, ah ok, and i am asuming you have setup /etc/pbuilderrc |
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| 12:00.14 | dutchfish | SethX, also check --debuild option |
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| 12:01.55 | dutchfish | SethX, i found debhelper quiet a usefull tool to setup an initial state, and then manually walk from there |
| 12:02.25 | dutchfish | SethX, its all a bit of reading |
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| 12:02.56 | SethX | debhelper you say.. mm digging in. thanks in the meanwhile |
| 12:02.57 | SethX | :) |
| 12:03.07 | dutchfish | yw |
| 12:03.46 | dutchfish | SethX, debhelper is only usefull running your own deb out of a source tarball |
| 12:04.04 | dutchfish | SethX, if you got your SID souerce pack, its already done for you |
| 12:04.16 | dutchfish | SethX, then stick to pbuilder |
| 12:04.44 | SethX | yet i see no .rules. ill just edit the makefile. |
| 12:05.42 | dutchfish | SethX, debian/rules ... sorry my nistake not .rules |
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| 12:06.33 | SethX | i think i downloaded the wrong file. :) |
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| 12:06.51 | SethX | my php5 i built from source has a rule file, this apache doesnt. :) |
| 12:07.03 | moodhugs | =( my download failed to fix it |
| 12:07.12 | moodhugs | downgrade i mean |
| 12:07.43 | SethX | http://packages.debian.org/sid/apache2 this is what i fetched, the links on the right. |
| 12:08.11 | dutchfish | SethX, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 12:08.27 | SethX | now THATS more like it :) |
| 12:08.40 | dutchfish | SethX, yes, then you basically should have a rule file within the debina dir |
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| 12:08.49 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
| 12:09.45 | SethX | there is no debian dir.. ? |
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| 12:10.21 | dutchfish | SethX, so, on you sandbix, place it in /usr/src zcat it, and inside the root dir of the package you should be able to make a bin package out of it (unless there are unresolved dependecies |
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| 12:10.50 | dutchfish | SethX, for that use pbuilder to find out and solve |
| 12:11.24 | SethX | ah, the pleasures. i need to eat lunch now. belly is gurgling and mind is dizzy. :) laters |
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| 12:11.41 | dutchfish | SethX, ah wait you got a meta-pack you need to get the actual one, depending on wich apache2 you are runnning |
| 12:11.59 | Zvpun | after changing /boot/grub/menu.lst do I have to run grub-install? |
| 12:12.14 | moodhugs | =( |
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| 12:12.29 | moodhugs | debian failed me |
| 12:13.08 | dutchfish | SethX, its under Packages providing apache2 on your link |
| 12:13.21 | toresbe | Hello, I've a problem with using Compiz on a Debian system with an i945 chipset under the intel driver. |
| 12:13.29 | toresbe | When I launch it, I get the reply "compiz.real (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing". |
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| 12:13.58 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 12:14.19 | jeffrin | how does a debian program know that header files are in /usr |
| 12:14.29 | Zvpun | jeffrin: ? |
| 12:14.49 | toresbe | jeffrin: a debian *program* does not use header files. |
| 12:14.52 | toresbe | However, "glxinfo | grep GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap | wc -l" returns 2. |
| 12:15.15 | dutchfish | SethX, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.11.orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz |
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| 12:16.03 | toresbe | Any recommendations for something to look at? |
| 12:16.46 | cydork | toresbe: try running LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace ccp |
| 12:17.38 | toresbe | cydork: wahey, that works! |
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| 12:17.47 | toresbe | cydork: What does that mean? |
| 12:18.06 | cydork | toresbe: first link in google :P |
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| 12:18.22 | toresbe | cydork: certainly not for me. |
| 12:18.30 | Mohammad[B] | Hi all |
| 12:18.31 | toresbe | cydork: Thank you. I'll look into it now. |
| 12:18.41 | cydork | toresbe: google-fu ftw :) |
| 12:18.45 | Mohammad[B] | how to i can set proxy or SOCKS Host in Terminal window ? |
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| 12:18.55 | dutchfish | SethX, read: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.11-2.dsc |
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| 12:21.22 | zooopie | hello people i am a novice in linux.i need some help |
| 12:21.23 | zooopie | which linux distribution is good to run huge e-commerce websites like amazon.com |
| 12:21.39 | Zvpun | zooopie: experience is good to run huge stuff |
| 12:21.47 | zooopie | I have these options for a website like amazon.com..Fedora core 9, rhel 5, CentOS 5.2, Suse lES, Debian 4, Slackware 12.2....LFS is too high for me.please help & enlighten me |
| 12:22.32 | Zvpun | zooopie: every distroy allows to run a webserver, it doesnt depend on the distro. |
| 12:22.32 | zooopie | i know that..but i need to start from a platform to gain that. |
| 12:22.44 | Zvpun | zooopie: distributions differ on other levels |
| 12:22.44 | Mohammad[B] | zooopie, hmmm, i think this is not good channel for this question :-) |
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| 12:23.03 | zooopie | i don't think so.. |
| 12:23.07 | dutchfish | zooopie, you have asked 5 questions in 1, noone is able to answer that in a oneliner |
| 12:23.18 | Zvpun | zooopie: besides your question is ill posed. |
| 12:23.38 | Zvpun | zooopie: I recommend you chose the one with an expert near you. |
| 12:23.39 | zooopie | i think you guys are well experienced to guide me |
| 12:23.55 | Zvpun | zooopie: if you have a friend using debian, try debian. |
| 12:24.01 | dutchfish | zooopie, you better can read a good book on apache2 and then decide wich one to choose |
| 12:24.51 | dutchfish | zooopie, things you certinaly need are failover systems, ha, proxy, and a lot related stuff if you want perf in thta magnitude |
| 12:25.10 | Zvpun | dutchfish: ha? |
| 12:25.14 | dutchfish | !ha |
| 12:25.14 | dpkg | i heard ha is High Availability, or <search> heartbeat, or 12.5% of an LOL |
| 12:25.18 | Zvpun | ty |
| 12:25.23 | Zvpun | !LOL |
| 12:25.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:26.00 | dutchfish | Zvpun, such systems are not installed overnight, its actually a full time job |
| 12:26.17 | zooopie | I came to know that amazon.com is running redhat stronghold web server |
| 12:26.19 | Zvpun | dutchfish: ? |
| 12:26.31 | dutchfish | Zvpun, sorry was ment for zooopie |
| 12:26.47 | Zvpun | zooopie: if you have a friend running redhat, go install redhat, you need help, that is certain. |
| 12:26.55 | dutchfish | zooopie, thats only the front door .... ;) |
| 12:26.57 | Zvpun | zooopie: the distro doesnt matter on your level of skill. |
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| 12:27.06 | zooopie | dutchfish, Ya i know that..it will take time..but it is hell of fun. |
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| 12:27.42 | zooopie | zvpun: ok.Thanks for clearing my Head |
| 12:27.58 | dutchfish | Zvpun, th ebest distro is the one that support your security needs and has a stable base, so its not thta hard decision ;) |
| 12:28.17 | dutchfish | Zvpun, sorry again was ment for zooopie again |
| 12:28.18 | zooopie | i am some what relieved now |
| 12:28.20 | Zvpun | dutchfish: the best distro for zooophie is the one with an expert near to him. |
| 12:28.30 | dutchfish | Zvpun, that too |
| 12:28.46 | shyam_k` | miksuh: which is the software for having a piano? ardour? |
| 12:28.59 | dutchfish | zooopie, Zvpun think in terms of reliabilty and security first |
| 12:29.04 | shyam_k` | miksuh: just installed vkeybd and its not making any sound |
| 12:29.09 | Zvpun | zooopie: hey, and welcome to the good side (tm) |
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| 12:30.10 | dutchfish | shyam_k, delve into jack and its daemon and setup |
| 12:30.23 | zooopie | zvpun: thanks man.it seems to me that i have to spend more time here from now |
| 12:30.45 | shyam_k` | miksuh: so i searched and as seen in some forum installed and issued pmidi -l and it shows " 14:0 Midi Through Midi Through Port-0 ###128:0 Client-128 TSE3 ### 129:0 ardour control ### 129:1 ardour mcu ### 129:2 ardour seq" where ### refers to line ending |
| 12:31.05 | Zvpun | zooopie: you are very welcome. One thing to know though: Ask specific questions, the more likely is getting an helpful answer. |
| 12:31.39 | zooopie | Zvpun: Thanks :) |
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| 12:32.42 | shyam_k | dutchfish: oh! whats the way out? actually i am confused with what to play with.. |
| 12:32.43 | shyam_k | :) |
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| 12:33.43 | dutchfish | shyam_k, well, you need some form to get the output to alsa 9assuming you are using that) so if you fidling with midi you need to setup an environment for that, i use jackd for that along with qsynth and connect the virtual keyboard or midi keyboard to that |
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| 12:35.02 | dutchfish | shyam_k, the is also a debian based distro if you are going bigtime into music |
| 12:35.08 | jimi_hendrix | hi...2 questions 1) since i did not ask debian to install grub or LILO, what do i put for the kernel to boot in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:36.13 | shyam_k | dutchfish: ohk got enough things to start with!:) |
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| 12:36.29 | dutchfish | shyam_k, also read up about http://packages.debian.org/lenny/timidity |
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| 12:37.11 | shyam_k | dutchfish: which is that distro? |
| 12:37.23 | dutchfish | !slap shyam_k |
| 12:37.23 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across shyam_k's face |
| 12:37.37 | dutchfish | shyam_k, (joking) |
| 12:38.22 | dutchfish | shyam_k, http://www.64studio.com/ |
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| 12:39.02 | dutchfish | shyam_k, http://www.64studio.com/screenshots |
| 12:39.14 | shyam_k | uh i didn expect that.. |
| 12:39.20 | dutchfish | :) |
| 12:39.26 | JyZyXEL | how the heck do i debug whats making VNC connection lag? |
| 12:39.36 | Kohlrabi | I have a problem with my networking in lenny: I have set a hostname for my machine. When I ifup my network adapter it leases an IP from my DHCP, but it doesn't request a hostname, so the machien has no name on my network and I can only reach it via IP. |
| 12:39.44 | Kohlrabi | machine even |
| 12:39.51 | JyZyXEL | mouse is super laggy |
| 12:40.40 | jimi_hendrix | anyone? |
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| 12:42.59 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, http://www.debianhelp.org/node/3866 |
| 12:43.34 | dutchfish | jimi_hendrix, did you install grub but not in mbr, or not at all? |
| 12:43.51 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish how is that related at all |
| 12:43.52 | jimi_hendrix | not at all...not all my OS's were detected... |
| 12:44.00 | jimi_hendrix | and i already have grub installed |
| 12:44.02 | jimi_hendrix | so |
| 12:44.10 | jimi_hendrix | i just need to add an entry |
| 12:46.04 | JyZyXEL | i think its gnomes fault |
| 12:46.11 | JyZyXEL | in GDM login screen mouse is fine |
| 12:47.31 | jimi_hendrix | so dutch can you pastebin the entry in your menu.lst |
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| 12:47.45 | myeggo | hello |
| 12:48.04 | myeggo | i want to create an user that only can access to his home, i have read it is doing a cage for him |
| 12:48.12 | myeggo | but i dont find it, someone know a tutorial or something? |
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| 12:49.07 | jimi_hendrix | i may be wrong but just dont give him access to wheel and he cant sudo his way into much... |
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| 12:50.26 | moodhugs | what exactly are you trying to protect from the user? |
| 12:50.57 | myeggo | all homes |
| 12:51.22 | myeggo | i want he can compile in his home only |
| 12:51.28 | moodhugs | you can change permissions of homes to only the user that owns the home |
| 12:51.33 | myeggo | such as a normal paid shell |
| 12:51.54 | jimi_hendrix | can someone pastebin their menu.lst? |
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| 12:52.58 | moodhugs | by default a user should only be able to write to their home unless someone specifically granted the permission |
| 12:54.37 | moodhugs | why do you need a menu.lst? |
| 12:55.36 | jimi_hendrix | i didnt install grub with intaller (grub already existed on the mbr) so i just need to add an entry...and i dont know what to put for the kernel line |
| 12:56.15 | moodhugs | okay 1 sec |
| 12:57.19 | moodhugs | http://pastebin.ca/1316906 |
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| 12:58.19 | moodhugs | lol sorry mine is kinda messy |
| 12:58.28 | jimi_hendrix | np |
| 12:58.41 | jimi_hendrix | moodhugs, you use the first one that says Debian to boot? |
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| 12:59.02 | moodhugs | no |
| 12:59.29 | jimi_hendrix | which one? |
| 12:59.29 | magentar | is there a way to find out how much cpu a kernel module uses? my laptop's on demand cpufreq governor always uses the maximum, even though there are no processes which have high cpu usage |
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| 12:59.38 | moodhugs | the option "default  2" uses the 3rd one |
| 12:59.50 | magentar | .. and programs are running slow... |
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| 13:00.14 | moodhugs | if you get the package "startupmanager" it'll config it automatically i think |
| 13:00.43 | yo9gjx | magentar is a desklet for monitoring this |
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| 13:01.01 | moodhugs | it's what generated the menu anyway, and let me select the default and all that |
| 13:01.19 | moodhugs | not sure if it dected stuff or if it was already there though |
| 13:01.25 | magentar | yo9gjx, the cpu usage of kernel modules? |
| 13:01.33 | yo9gjx | yes |
| 13:01.48 | yo9gjx | search in gdesklets |
| 13:02.00 | yo9gjx | i can't remember exactly |
| 13:02.04 | jimi_hendrix | moodhugs, ok...but when you boot up...which one do you highlight and click? |
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| 13:02.44 | magentar | thanks, i'm trying it |
| 13:02.45 | yo9gjx | possible to have a bad block process also so view the running processes and kill the bad one |
| 13:02.58 | moodhugs | the 3rd " Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-686" |
| 13:02.59 | yo9gjx | good luck |
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| 13:03.25 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 13:03.36 | magentar | how can i find out if i have a bad block process? |
| 13:03.37 | moodhugs | unless i want windows then i go to that one ;p |
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| 13:04.07 | jimi_hendrix | moodhugs, of course...you using lenny? |
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| 13:04.29 | moodhugs | yes. the top one is the newest kernel but it doesn't work on my system |
| 13:04.41 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
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| 13:20.09 | flower | is there a folder on debian filesystem, for putting custom files etc? |
| 13:20.31 | enouf | !fhs |
| 13:20.32 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 13:22.24 | JyZyXEL | looks like hundredrs of people are having problem transfering mouse movements over network |
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| 13:24.50 | jimi_hendrix | ok that didnt work...but moving on... |
| 13:25.10 | jimi_hendrix | im going to reinstall and edit the menu.lst thats installed... |
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| 13:26.19 | jimi_hendrix | but moving on...last time i installed it said i needed iwlwifi 4965...so i sneakered over the .deb (there was other stuff on the flash drive i used) and used it...but it still could not connect to the internet (same internet im using right now in ubuntu)...advice? |
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| 13:30.23 | jimi_hendrix | anyone? |
| 13:30.42 | jimi_hendrix | slaps channel mods... |
| 13:30.48 | Eldy | yap |
| 13:30.55 | jimi_hendrix | ment to slap people not mods |
| 13:30.57 | jimi_hendrix | cowers |
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| 13:31.26 | abrotman | you still need firmware |
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| 13:32.20 | liable | the lenny installer actually has an option now to install it during install.. |
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| 13:32.38 | abrotman | if your other network is working |
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| 13:32.43 | jimi_hendrix | abrotman, i have the file "firmware-iwlwifi_0.14_all.deb" and it asks me to sneaker it over at the start...but dhcp fails |
| 13:32.49 | liable | abrotman: no from media |
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| 13:33.13 | abrotman | needs to get some of this crap nonfree hardware |
| 13:33.18 | jimi_hendrix | i am using the file "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" to install |
| 13:33.44 | liable | erm, i vaguely recall you having a 3965 card? |
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| 13:33.59 | abrotman | ithought he had 2200 |
| 13:34.03 | jimi_hendrix | 4965 |
| 13:34.15 | jimi_hendrix | 2200 was another guy |
| 13:34.28 | abrotman | no, that was you |
| 13:34.44 | abrotman | oh, you're right |
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| 13:35.13 | liable | jimi_hendrix: so you are trying to get wireless working during install? |
| 13:35.30 | liable | i'm afraid wep wont work even if you do |
| 13:35.38 | liable | an open ap may work |
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| 13:35.50 | jimi_hendrix | doesnt have a wep on the network that he knows of |
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| 13:36.37 | liable | jimi_hendrix: but is the problem that the installer isnt finding your firmware deb? |
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| 13:37.36 | jimi_hendrix | liable, i have no clue |
| 13:37.41 | liable | abrotman: btw, you have crap nonfree hardware, its just that the firmware resides on it :P |
| 13:37.46 | jimi_hendrix | i do have other stuff on the flash drive... |
| 13:37.52 | liable | jimi_hendrix: whats the actual problem then? |
| 13:37.59 | abrotman | liable: which is better than this crap |
| 13:38.07 | jimi_hendrix | it just says dhcp failed... |
| 13:38.10 | liable | abrotman: blah blah |
| 13:38.12 | jimi_hendrix | thus im not connected |
| 13:39.04 | liable | jimi_hendrix: did it ask for the deb, and did it find the deb when you inserted it? |
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| 13:41.13 | jimi_hendrix | i believe it did |
| 13:41.30 | jimi_hendrix | it did not specifically ask for a .deb but it mentioned it needed the firmware |
| 13:41.56 | liable | jimi_hendrix: and you inserted the media then for it to find the deb? |
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| 13:42.27 | jimi_hendrix | yes |
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| 13:42.45 | jimi_hendrix | an 8GB flash...it had more that just the .deb in it though... |
| 13:42.50 | jimi_hendrix | it had a few docs and such |
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| 13:43.54 | liable | jimi_hendrix: read this before you go any further .. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s04.html |
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| 13:45.28 | liable | note the paragraph that says where the file must be on the media |
| 13:46.37 | liable | you can check to see if it loaded correctly by checking dmesg in vt2 and see if iwl complains about firmware error -2 |
| 13:49.20 | liable | then if all is good, when you are trying to install via wireless, i suggest setting debconf to low priority so it asks for an essid when configuring your card |
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| 13:49.49 | liable | otherwise it will associate to the first open ap it finds in a scan |
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| 13:54.31 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
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| 13:55.34 | jimi_hendrix | same guide for amd64? |
| 13:56.17 | liable | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/index.html |
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| 13:57.02 | jimi_hendrix | thank you |
| 13:57.25 | Ace2016_- | anyone having issues with middle click paste in iceweasel? |
| 13:57.39 | abrotman | are you? |
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| 13:57.54 | Ace2016_- | yes |
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| 13:58.54 | cahoot | Ace2016_-: about:config middlemousepaste |
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| 13:59.19 | cahoot | Ace2016_-: middlemouse.paste rather |
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| 14:02.06 | jimi_hendrix | ok... |
| 14:02.08 | jimi_hendrix | thanks all |
| 14:02.15 | Ace2016_- | cahoot: thanks, i use autocopy far too much to loose it |
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| 14:02.57 | liable | jimi_hendrix: thanks, it still doesnt work, or thanks, its all good? |
| 14:03.02 | liable | bah |
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| 14:05.00 | ttyX | is there any way to install iceweasel3 on debian stable? |
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| 14:06.06 | tuxcrafter | hi all, i was doing some test on maddrivia 2008 and when using the find command it makes the searched string in an ohter color like red |
| 14:06.13 | tuxcrafter | how can i do this in debian |
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| 14:07.07 | tuxcrafter | sorry i mean grep instead of find |
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| 14:07.35 | tuxcrafter | found the option |
| 14:07.47 | Ward1983_ | my sound keeps stopping for no apperant reason |
| 14:07.49 | tuxcrafter | the person running the command said he was using find |
| 14:07.58 | Ward1983_ | i need to restart my mediaplayer like every 5 minutes when the sound just stops |
| 14:08.00 | tuxcrafter | but was grepping it .. |
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| 14:08.05 | Ward1983_ | extremely annoying |
| 14:08.24 | Ward1983_ | its a intel_hda and i have had nothing but trouble with it in linux |
| 14:08.52 | Ward1983 | any suggestions? |
| 14:10.59 | cahoot | Ward1983: laptop? |
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| 14:11.58 | Ward1983 | cahoot, nope |
| 14:12.13 | Ward1983 | ASUS P5B Deluxe Wifi/AP |
| 14:12.20 | cahoot | Ward1983: then get a better card - one the uses snd-emu10k1 |
| 14:12.21 | Ward1983 | and there we go again |
| 14:12.26 | Ward1983 | trestarts annoying player |
| 14:12.42 | Ward1983 | euh it works perfectly fine in windows so why should i get a new card |
| 14:12.50 | Ward1983 | the hardware does not seem to cause any trouble |
| 14:13.11 | cahoot | Ward1983: wait for alsa to ctach up? |
| 14:13.16 | cahoot | catch |
| 14:13.24 | Ward1983 | you know how old my meinboard is |
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| 14:13.25 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 14:13.41 | geophoenix | how old ? |
| 14:13.44 | Ward1983 | old |
| 14:14.17 | geophoenix | 1983 ? |
| 14:14.24 | cahoot | Ward1983: collect some error msgs and try alsa-user mailing list? |
| 14:14.25 | Ward1983 | ffs my sound keeps falling away this is retarded |
| 14:14.26 | Ward1983 | :@ |
| 14:14.30 | Ward1983 | i cannot even listen to music |
| 14:14.43 | Ward1983 | yeah like not enough people bought this mainboard :s |
| 14:15.00 | cahoot | ok |
| 14:15.21 | geophoenix | : ) |
| 14:15.27 | geophoenix | is happy |
| 14:15.35 | Ward1983 | i think its made in 2006 |
| 14:15.43 | Ward1983 | 2005 is possible too |
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| 14:16.18 | cahoot | what alsa version? cat /proc/asound/version |
| 14:16.38 | Ward1983 | Version 1.0.16. |
| 14:16.45 | Ward1983 | imn using lenny btw |
| 14:17.28 | cahoot | Ward1983: no 'soundserver' intervening? |
| 14:17.43 | Ward1983 | cahoot, dunno how to check? |
| 14:18.07 | cahoot | Ward1983: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 14:19.15 | Ward1983 | cahoot, i dont think so |
| 14:19.30 | cahoot | no sign of esd or artsd? |
| 14:19.35 | Ward1983 | nope |
| 14:19.46 | Ward1983 | /dev/snd/controlC0: ward 5605 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 14:19.48 | Ward1983 | thats it |
| 14:19.49 | cahoot | (or pulseaudi for that matter) |
| 14:19.56 | cahoot | ok |
| 14:20.04 | Ward1983 | should be standard lenny |
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| 14:25.05 | Owner | guys, how can i install LIBXSLT? when i try to apt-get it it says that the package cannot be found? |
| 14:26.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Owner about search |
| 14:26.22 | geophoenix | is there a tool that uses apt-get via torrent ? |
| 14:26.37 | Owner | dpkg: search? |
| 14:26.37 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 14:28.09 | hardfail | dear god why does php5-gd require 14 megs of dependencies. |
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| 14:28.22 | hardfail | including "x11-common" what the FUCK. |
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| 14:28.41 | hardfail | this is ridiculous. |
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| 14:29.09 | Owner | themill: thanks for that. would you happen to know how i can switch certain packages back from "manually installed" via apt-get? |
| 14:29.11 | themill | hardfail: no, gd is ridiculous. It uses x11 libraries to render fonts in images. |
| 14:29.20 | jimi_hendrix | what was the command to see if the module loaded? |
| 14:29.28 | themill | Owner: etch or lenny? |
| 14:29.29 | Rusty1 | lsmod |
| 14:29.43 | Rusty1 | jimi_hendrix: lsmod |
| 14:29.50 | Owner | themill: lenny |
| 14:29.59 | hardfail | themill: what are you on? gd does NOT depend on x11 to do anything |
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| 14:30.26 | themill | hardfail: try reading the source code then |
| 14:30.55 | themill | Owner: look at the apt-mark utility (or aptitude markauto). They doe the same thing. |
| 14:30.59 | hardfail | libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxdmcp6 libxpm4 |
| 14:31.00 | hardfail | what?? |
| 14:31.04 | hardfail | xdm?? |
| 14:31.06 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 14:31.18 | hardfail | when was last time you saw x11 on a server? |
| 14:31.20 | hardfail | in any shape or form? |
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| 14:31.49 | themill | hardfail: it's not installing x11, it's installing some x11 libraries. |
| 14:31.53 | hardfail | "some"? |
| 14:31.58 | hardfail | its installing 14 megabytes of them. |
| 14:32.09 | themill | hardfail: which is a lot less than all of X11. |
| 14:32.16 | hardfail | I've used php since the shit came out, and gd since about php3 or so, and I've never needed X to use any gd function. |
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| 14:32.50 | themill | hardfail: if you don't like the way debian packages php5-gd, submit patches. Otherwise, sftu. That's the way free software works. |
| 14:32.50 | abrotman | hardfail: that's not X .. those are libraries |
| 14:32.57 | hardfail | infact, php5 comes with its own copy of gd that only depends on like libjpeg and libpng and nothing else |
| 14:33.17 | hardfail | themill: i dont like that installing VIM also installs half of gnome and X. |
| 14:33.21 | abrotman | oh yay .. every program with its own implementation |
| 14:33.22 | hardfail | thats two things I dont like. |
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| 14:33.46 | abrotman | hardfail: then you did it wrong .. use the vim-nox package .. like you're supposed |
| 14:33.52 | hardfail | uh |
| 14:34.09 | fippo | hi @all |
| 14:34.26 | Owner | themill: got it, thanks.. |
| 14:34.32 | hardfail | how do i show all the shit vim-nox depends on |
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| 14:34.41 | hardfail | oh i know. |
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| 14:34.58 | hardfail | http://packages.debian.org/sid/vim-nox |
| 14:35.00 | abrotman | hardfail: you sure complain a lot for someone that doens't know what they're doing |
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| 14:35.17 | hardfail | libruby??? |
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| 14:37.26 | hardfail | abrotman: really now. |
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| 14:38.52 | Garfeild | hi all |
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| 14:45.56 | gernot | Simple question about upgrading software: should I remove software that was installed from the debian repository in order to install a newer version from source? |
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| 14:48.12 | geophoenix | http://sianka.free.fr/ apt-get-torrent :P |
| 14:48.36 | Ward1983 | wow my sound is still working :) |
| 14:48.40 | Ward1983 | for more then half an hour |
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| 14:50.21 | geophoenix | it would be nice thought to see this tool as a gui plugin in synaptic package manager |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | geophoenix: to torrent packages? |
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| 14:51.54 | dromer | hi all, I just installed debian-xfce, but I want to remove openoffice.org |
| 14:52.09 | geophoenix | yes download deb packages via torrent but only for packages that size is between 10+~20MB+ |
| 14:52.17 | Garfeild | who are using django from svn at debian 4? |
| 14:52.26 | abrotman | geophoenix: work has been done on that |
| 14:52.32 | dromer | I already did apt-get purge openoffice.org which removed most packages, but I still have writer installed, how can I remove it completely? |
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| 14:53.08 | abrotman | !info debtorrent |
| 14:53.15 | abrotman | among others |
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| 14:53.31 | pdbogen | IS there a way to get a list of what packages I have installed from Experimental? |
| 14:53.36 | dpkg | debtorrent: (bittorrent proxy for downloading Debian packages), section net, is optional. Version: 0.1.9 (sid), Packaged size: 221 kB, Installed size: 1173 kB |
| 14:53.38 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 14:53.40 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 14:53.56 | geophoenix | sid ? |
| 14:53.59 | themill | !list repositories |
| 14:53.59 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 14:54.03 | abrotman | !tell bah |
| 14:54.11 | abrotman | themill: i was getting there! |
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| 14:54.16 | themill | :) |
| 14:54.29 | sphenxes | where can i add the command: xset s off to stop the screen from blanking every few minutes |
| 14:54.30 | abrotman | dpkg: which repo is <reply>see list repositories |
| 14:54.30 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 14:54.34 | liable | where? old? |
| 14:54.35 | themill | dpkg, which repo is <reply> see list repositories |
| 14:54.35 | dpkg | ...but which repo is already something else... |
| 14:54.38 | stoned | good morning! |
| 14:54.41 | stoned | almost 10 am |
| 14:54.42 | themill | abrotman: :P |
| 14:54.59 | stoned | whats going on in the world of debian!? |
| 14:55.11 | abrotman | stoned: lenny released |
| 14:55.17 | liable | ... |
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| 14:55.19 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:55.24 | geophoenix | lol |
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| 14:58.03 | jonaskoelker | hi all. Can anyone recommend a good easy-to-use firewall (builder) for debian? On ubuntu I'd use ufw, but that's not available for debian. |
| 14:58.13 | stoned | no shit |
| 14:58.22 | stoned | bullshit man |
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| 14:58.41 | themill | !pal stoned |
| 14:58.41 | dpkg | points at stoned and laughs |
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| 14:58.53 | asg | jonaskoelker: firehol is one |
| 14:58.53 | liable | dont encourage him |
| 14:58.54 | Rusty1 | try man bullshit instead stoned |
| 14:58.56 | stoned | man |
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| 14:59.06 | stoned | abrotman, don't do that |
| 14:59.12 | stoned | got myhopes up n shit |
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| 14:59.19 | abrotman | wouldn't affect you right? do you run stable anywhere? |
| 14:59.24 | stoned | servers yes |
| 14:59.26 | jonaskoelker | asg: what's your experience using it? |
| 14:59.36 | stoned | and I like to upgrade my servers too, on each stable |
| 14:59.56 | stoned | plus i've got debian for a few of my clients so yeah |
| 15:00.00 | liable | jonaskoelker: is the box a hardware firewall? why do you need firewall? |
| 15:00.02 | asg | jonaskoelker: I looked at it but personally prefer to write my own iptables rules. |
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| 15:00.19 | liable | !firewall |
| 15:00.19 | dpkg | firewall is probably a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 15:00.38 | liable | bah, where did the bob2 firewall factoid go.. |
| 15:01.11 | abrotman | away with bob2? |
| 15:01.21 | jonaskoelker | liable: it's for my desktop box, and I have no firewall in front of it. |
| 15:01.42 | jonaskoelker | liable: got a link for "a firewall can't protect [...]"? google's failing me |
| 15:01.44 | pdbogen | Arghwtf. |
| 15:01.50 | pdbogen | I wish I knew why X was freezing. :( |
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| 15:02.43 | liable | jonaskoelker: if you dont run services, you generally dont need one |
| 15:02.50 | stoned | I see bob2 in #python |
| 15:03.06 | asg | is it the same bob2 though? |
| 15:03.07 | stoned | he knows his shit though |
| 15:03.10 | stoned | yes, rob |
| 15:03.21 | asg | yes, it is ... nice |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | but is he actualyl active? |
| 15:03.34 | stoned | yes |
| 15:03.37 | stoned | I talked to him quite often |
| 15:03.47 | stoned | continous present tense |
| 15:03.48 | abrotman | asg: go hug him |
| 15:03.48 | stoned | fucking typos |
| 15:03.54 | jonaskoelker | liable: I do run services |
| 15:04.03 | jonaskoelker | liable: for one, I want ssh brute-forcers kicked out |
| 15:04.08 | stoned | fail2ban |
| 15:04.11 | enouf | fail2ban |
| 15:04.19 | jonaskoelker | yes, I know |
| 15:04.20 | stoned | it monitors log files and automatically bans obvious bruters |
| 15:04.21 | enouf | fucking robot typists |
| 15:04.26 | stoned | :D |
| 15:04.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:05.16 | jonaskoelker | there are other things... |
| 15:05.23 | stoned | jonaskoelker, tell us |
| 15:05.25 | jonaskoelker | mpd and synergy |
| 15:05.37 | jonaskoelker | and in case something starts listening for connections without me knowing it |
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| 15:05.48 | stoned | I've not used mpd, ever, but I use synergy to go across 4 monitors ;) |
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| 15:07.05 | jonaskoelker | so, going back to !firewall, what's the argument for "a firewall can't protect the box it's on"? |
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| 15:07.26 | hardfail | what. |
| 15:07.29 | liable | if you are running a service that shouldnt be on the net, then a firewall is bad insurence. if you run a service that is vulnerable, then a firewall is also not much point. point is, dont run shit that needs a firewall. |
| 15:07.44 | stoned | what? |
| 15:07.51 | stoned | thats a horrible point |
| 15:08.00 | hardfail | it is? |
| 15:08.05 | stoned | if shit needs to run, it needs to run. You do yoru best to secure it |
| 15:08.11 | liable | no |
| 15:08.14 | hardfail | uh yeah, its called bind it to localhost |
| 15:08.15 | stoned | security is a compromose between security and usability |
| 15:08.15 | hardfail | done. |
| 15:08.16 | TheOnly | it may sound dumb, but how do I enable volume up/down/mute keys used in combination with the function button on my laptop? I'm not sure how the Fn key is identified in order to set the proper combination of keys |
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| 15:08.33 | hardfail | a lunix "firewall" is a joke anway |
| 15:08.38 | hardfail | 1000+ line script of bullshit iptables commands |
| 15:08.43 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 15:08.45 | hardfail | vs binding shit to localhost or not running it at all |
| 15:08.48 | liable | dont configure shit to be susceptable from the internet if it isnt secure enough |
| 15:08.55 | maligor | hardfail, huh? |
| 15:08.56 | jonaskoelker | TheOnly: on my box, the Fn key isn't a real key. Try xev, and press (Fn+) the media keys |
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| 15:09.09 | hardfail | maligor: do you understand every line does what in your "firewall" script. |
| 15:09.09 | enouf | TheOnly: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 15:09.11 | maligor | hardfail, you don't consider the iptables source code a part of it? |
| 15:09.13 | hardfail | y/n/m |
| 15:09.19 | hardfail | hu? |
| 15:09.26 | hardfail | source-what |
| 15:09.29 | enouf | TheOnly: or be specific about make/model |
| 15:09.35 | hardfail | detecting lack of relevance to the topic |
| 15:09.37 | themill | dpkg: tell TheOnly about multimedia keys |
| 15:09.56 | maligor | reading iptables is easy tho, just check the tables that result, not the scripts that create them |
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| 15:10.00 | stoned | no..... if you don't need to run a service on the internet, don't run it. If you need to run it, find the most secure server software, compromise between security and usability |
| 15:10.34 | stoned | and then secure that software, if users complain, tell em, usability or security, pick one. |
| 15:10.36 | TheOnly | jonaskoelker, i tried that, i got the keycode for the brightness keys, but it doesn't display any keycode info for the volume keys |
| 15:10.45 | jonaskoelker | and how if I need to run a service on my box and my box is on the internet yet the service shouldn't be internet-accessible... ? |
| 15:10.45 | TheOnly | enouf, themill thx |
| 15:10.48 | stoned | you can balance them out, but security always wins |
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| 15:10.59 | jonaskoelker | TheOnly: okay, i dunno then |
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| 15:11.21 | themill | TheOnly: if brightness keys don't already work then you're unlikely to get them to work without an updated driver for your video hardware |
| 15:11.32 | stoned | jonaskoelker, thats when you setup honeypots and harden your security |
| 15:11.34 | Jimi__Hendrix | ok could not connect even though the module loaded during install... |
| 15:11.41 | Jimi__Hendrix | also what does debian use instead of dhcpcd? |
| 15:11.44 | TheOnly | they work :> |
| 15:11.57 | jonaskoelker | stoned: what?? Do you do that for your workstations? |
| 15:12.00 | enouf | TheOnly: is that a macbook? or powerpc? |
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| 15:12.06 | dromer | I tried installing mozilla-flashplayer from debian-multimedia, but somehow there is another player already installed (gnash?) which is choosen instead, how can I remove this player? |
| 15:12.09 | stoned | jonaskoelker, look into 'fundamentals of information security' |
| 15:12.12 | stoned | google |
| 15:12.16 | hardfail | jonaskoelker: workstations what? MY workstations run a real OS. |
| 15:12.17 | stoned | great book |
| 15:12.21 | abrotman | dromer: update-alternatives flash-mozilla.so |
| 15:12.26 | TheOnly | enouf, not a mac, asus x51rl |
| 15:12.27 | hardfail | jonaskoelker: and who the fuck needs a firewall on a "workstation" lulz. |
| 15:12.32 | jonaskoelker | hardfail: then what are you doing in #debian? :P |
| 15:12.40 | stoned | jonaskoelker, I use openbsd on shit I need secured. I would NEVER trust debian with my secure data |
| 15:12.44 | stoned | ever. |
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| 15:13.20 | hardfail | stoned must have several terabytes of cp on raid6. |
| 15:13.21 | geophoenix | xD |
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| 15:13.22 | dromer | abrotman: where do I find this flash-mozilla.so ? |
| 15:13.25 | hardfail | lotta things to hide. |
| 15:13.33 | jonaskoelker | Okay then. Suppose I don't want "the internet" to connect to the mpd that's running on my desktop. How do I go about that "the right way"? |
| 15:13.36 | stoned | actually it used to be 1.5tb, I've upgraded to 4tb |
| 15:13.39 | stoned | 3 tb ;) |
| 15:13.50 | abrotman | dromer: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so .. it's a command |
| 15:13.59 | dromer | ok, thnx |
| 15:14.00 | liable | configure it to only listen from lan addresses |
| 15:14.04 | enouf | abrotman: really? when will update-* have some possible commonality in form (ie; we have the --config <something> options) and then you have the update-java-alternatives and now? no --config and a .so ? |
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| 15:14.06 | asg | jonaskoelker: change the config so it only binds to localhost |
| 15:14.08 | stoned | jonaskoelker, block it on your wan and configure it only internally |
| 15:14.18 | stoned | or what asg said |
| 15:14.28 | stoned | damn I shoulda thought of that, but I said i never used mpd before |
| 15:14.35 | enouf | oh dear .. friggin robotic typists :-p |
| 15:14.40 | stoned | but I still shoulda thougtht of it |
| 15:14.41 | asg | jonaskoelker: bind_to_address "127.0.0.1" |
| 15:14.42 | orion_x11 | I am trying to install amalyp plugin for amarok, but I get the error message > The KDE bindings for Python are required to run Amalyp . So, what is kde bindings for python? And how can I install that? |
| 15:14.45 | asg | jonaskoelker: in /etc/mpd.conf |
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| 15:17.56 | enouf | SickMoose: po' po' m00shi3? |
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| 15:18.15 | jonaskoelker | okay; and I do the same for synergy, and the same for pulseaudio and bitlbee and debtorrent and ... and everytime I install a new service that's for localhost only? |
| 15:18.19 | SickMoose | enouf, yeah, I'm sick |
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| 15:18.34 | jonaskoelker | instead of doing it once and for all except for those few internet-accessible services? |
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| 15:19.40 | liable | dude, those are listening services, not real services |
| 15:19.41 | isbear | BOFH excuse #140: |
| 15:19.41 | isbear | LBNC (luser brain not connected) |
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| 15:20.19 | enouf | new bot? |
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| 15:20.43 | isbear | oops, sorry should shutdow it... |
| 15:20.51 | isbear | *shutdown |
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| 15:20.56 | liable | jonaskoelker: a service is a daemon that waits for an outside connection, what you are talking about are things you have started that seek an outside connection to another server |
| 15:21.21 | Kalleos | hi - is it possible to use a gnome theme for KDE? |
| 15:21.34 | jonaskoelker | liable: they show up in netstat in state LISTEN |
| 15:22.10 | enouf | Kalleos: apt-cache search gtk-qt .. or gnome-qt or something similar .. i think |
| 15:22.12 | jonaskoelker | with ip 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:22.23 | jonaskoelker | liable: is that not a service? If not, why not? |
| 15:22.26 | enouf | Kalleos: apt-get update prior |
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| 15:23.30 | Kalleos | command update doesn't take arguments |
| 15:23.43 | enouf | Kalleos: 'apt-get update' |
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| 15:23.55 | enouf | i meant prior to doing your searching |
| 15:24.02 | Kalleos | ops, lol sry |
| 15:24.08 | enouf | no, my bad |
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| 15:24.50 | liable | jonaskoelker: show me your netstat output. |
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| 15:25.23 | SethX | dutchfish: here? |
| 15:25.38 | enouf | Kalleos: note; do "/msg dpkg gnome" (no quotes, in your irc client) follow the info to other places if needed - possible more help |
| 15:25.55 | jonaskoelker | liable: http://rafb.net/p/dvejKT46.html |
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| 15:27.06 | liable | jonaskoelker: show me your netstat -plunt output |
| 15:27.36 | jonaskoelker | http://rafb.net/p/ghafSO85.html |
| 15:27.39 | ciphergoth | My (stable) machine currently boots using Lilo. What do I need to do to switch to Grub? |
| 15:28.03 | geophoenix | apt-get install grub ithink |
| 15:28.16 | ciphergoth | wow, really, just that? |
| 15:28.27 | geophoenix | well i think yes |
| 15:28.31 | ciphergoth | I'll have fun if it doesn't boot after that :-) |
| 15:28.41 | jonaskoelker | is as surprised as ciphergoth |
| 15:28.48 | geophoenix | the command without the "ithink" :P |
| 15:28.53 | stew | ciphergoth: no, there is more than that, /msg dpkg lilo->grub |
| 15:29.07 | stew | ciphergoth: or after installing grub, see /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 15:29.18 | ciphergoth | will do both. "Thanks stew!" |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | ciphergoth: though when it removes lilo, you may want to move /etc/lilo.conf to something like /etc/lilo.conf.unused .. so it doesn't confuse some software |
| 15:29.35 | geophoenix | a live cd with kgrubeditor solves a lot of problems |
| 15:30.01 | Ejdesgaard | i got a 16GB CF card that i would like to install debian on... how do i start a debian installation from within a already running linux? |
| 15:30.03 | ciphergoth | abrotman: dpkg is recommending I purge grub |
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| 15:30.17 | abrotman | ciphergoth: purge lilo i think you mean .. and that's fine |
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| 15:30.36 | ciphergoth | abrotman: oops, yes, thanks! |
| 15:30.47 | ciphergoth | er, when I say dpkg, I mean the bot not the package! |
| 15:30.51 | liable | jonaskoelker: i am trying to make sense of those services, gimme a bit. that actually surprises me |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | i know |
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| 15:31.37 | alsd | hi there |
| 15:31.51 | SethX | uhm perhaps somebody can help me on this.. dutchfish was, but he seems to be out now.. anyhow: i *need* apache > 2.2.7 , and am using etch, which provides up to 2.2.3 . following suggestions i compiled the thing from source using pbuilder, which went all ok and fine, resulting in a package.gz to add to my sources.list . eventually, when trying to install those packages, what happens is that it complains about some fundamental unmet dependencies, in pa |
| 15:32.04 | abrotman | need ? |
| 15:32.13 | SethX | need. |
| 15:32.21 | SethX | really. |
| 15:32.27 | plb_ | hrm nmap shows 1002/tcp open windows-icfw what service uses this? |
| 15:32.27 | liable | jonaskoelker: you say thats a desktop box? |
| 15:32.38 | abrotman | SethX: paste the errors |
| 15:32.38 | jonaskoelker | liable: primarily, yes |
| 15:33.07 | liable | jonaskoelker: why does your desktop box have two external ips? |
| 15:33.08 | SethX | any preferred pastebin? |
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| 15:33.21 | stoned | paste.debian.net |
| 15:33.43 | erstazi | /dehilight seth |
| 15:33.44 | jonaskoelker | liable: oh. One is unused, that's from when I used it as a bridge |
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| 15:33.59 | SethX | http://paste.debian.net/26782/ |
| 15:34.02 | jonaskoelker | (my router died, my laptop ran through my desktop) |
| 15:34.17 | x31 | hey! is it possible to tell my sound driver not to mute my speakers when i plug in headphones? |
| 15:34.22 | abrotman | SethX: a better route might be to /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:34.26 | d-b | x31: yes |
| 15:34.34 | d-b | maybe, if its not a hardware thing. |
| 15:34.48 | d-b | just unmute it manually no ? |
| 15:34.53 | SethX | abrotman: as you see, it wants me to update libc. i am definitley not going down that road. :0 |
| 15:35.02 | abrotman | SethX: yes, i see |
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| 15:35.07 | x31 | d-b its a x32 thinkpad |
| 15:35.17 | x31 | wait, i'll lok for the modules name |
| 15:35.31 | SethX | i'm using a defalt pbuilderrc btw |
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| 15:35.44 | x31 | d-b, snd_intel8x0 |
| 15:35.51 | SethX | i suspect i have to tweak somethign there, but god knows what. |
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| 15:36.40 | themill | SethX: the default pbuilderrc makes a sid chroot. You need an etch one for doing a backport. You don't actually even need a clean build environment to make a backport though. |
| 15:37.01 | SethX | ok, so setting DISTRIBUTION=etch |
| 15:37.05 | SethX | should suffice? |
| 15:37.20 | liable | jonaskoelker: what you have going on there is a bit crazy. you have services running on two external ip's plus localhost, you need to configure your services so they run on localhost. |
| 15:37.33 | themill | SethX: yeah, I thnk so. But as I said, pbuilder is not really needed for what you're trying to do |
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| 15:37.39 | ciphergoth | SethX: pbuilder is overkill for what you're doing |
| 15:37.42 | jonaskoelker | liable: and why would a bunch of iptables rules be a bad idea? |
| 15:37.43 | ciphergoth | you want apt-get source -b |
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| 15:38.11 | liable | jonaskoelker: iptables rules arent a bad idea, but its like painting over rust |
| 15:38.14 | SethX | apache2.2.3 is as far as etch goes, ciphergoth . i need at least 2.2.6 |
| 15:38.19 | jonaskoelker | liable: how so? |
| 15:38.42 | SethX | themill: any other ways then? i dont want to manually ./configure ; make ; make install .. |
| 15:38.50 | liable | jonaskoelker: because you have a badly misconfigured box, and you are hiding the fact behind iptables |
| 15:38.51 | themill | SethX: add a deb-src line for sid then apt-get source will use the source from sid. Have you asked dpkg about ssb yet? |
| 15:38.53 | ciphergoth | SethX: That's fine - just point at lenny or sid in your deb-src lines in sources.list |
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| 15:39.17 | SethX | wont that like update half of my system? |
| 15:39.18 | ciphergoth | nearly all my machines are set up to get binaries from etch and sources from lenny or sid |
| 15:39.30 | SethX | ah ok |
| 15:39.34 | ciphergoth | SethX: no, only when you build sources |
| 15:39.50 | ciphergoth | build from source rather |
| 15:39.59 | ciphergoth | have you checked backports.org? |
| 15:40.03 | abrotman | not there |
| 15:40.42 | Ejdesgaard | i got a 16GB CF card that i would like to install debian on... how do i start a debian installation from within a already running linux? |
| 15:40.46 | alsd | SethX: apt-src can be handy, by the way (or not, it's a bit tricky to get going correctly) |
| 15:41.13 | SethX | themill: it points me to tldp ? |
| 15:41.24 | themill | dpkg: tell SethX about ssb |
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| 15:42.26 | SethX | ok, ill try that out. |
| 15:44.34 | alsd | Ejdesgaard: see there : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html |
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| 15:45.00 | d-b | Ejdesgaard: debootstrap. and see alsd's link |
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| 15:45.36 | Ejdesgaard | alsd, thanks :) |
| 15:45.37 | alsd | Ejdesgaard: this one applies to etch, there are newer tools like cdebootstrap you might try for lenny |
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| 15:46.12 | jackweb | Hello. Which line in free -m shows me how much I have free MBs in RAM? "Mem:" or "-/+ buffers/caches"? |
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| 15:46.56 | jackweb | I've read probably in Debian Reference I need to look at line "-/+ buffers/cache". |
| 15:47.15 | Ejdesgaard | alsd, thanks :) |
| 15:47.19 | alsd | jackweb: it's all there : you have the actual free memory, and the memory that can be free if you don't take into account buffers/caches |
| 15:47.24 | ciphergoth | grub-install says "Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time." |
| 15:47.24 | ciphergoth | how long is that, I wonder? |
| 15:47.27 | abrotman | jackweb: the buffers/cache can be used for other things |
| 15:47.50 | sepski | jackweb, buffers/cache + free i blive |
| 15:48.01 | ciphergoth | it's been about eight minutes so far |
| 15:48.08 | Kalleos | btw the packet was called gtk-qt-engine |
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| 15:50.08 | stoned | yeh |
| 15:50.12 | stoned | I coulda told you that |
| 15:50.36 | stoned | package* not packet |
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| 15:50.42 | stoned | its not a ketchup packet man |
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| 15:51.42 | jackweb | OK, thanks |
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| 15:52.31 | Darth_Tux | hi all, i have the intel wireless that uses ipw3945, i upgraded to Lenny and installed firmware=iwlwifi and now wireless isnt working, am i missing something? |
| 15:53.01 | themill | !iwlwifi |
| 15:53.02 | dpkg | [iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:53.08 | abrotman | did you reload the module? |
| 15:53.09 | liable | what does dmesg say when you load the module dpkg |
| 15:53.23 | enouf | heh |
| 15:53.24 | themill | dpkg: the wiki page has some notes on changing from ipw to iwl |
| 15:53.24 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, themill |
| 15:53.38 | themill | Darth_Tux: the wiki page has some notes on changing from ipw to iwl |
| 15:53.46 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 15:53.46 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 15:53.58 | liable | gah |
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| 15:54.05 | enouf | hehe |
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| 15:54.18 | liable | stupid nicktab |
| 15:55.10 | liable | Darth_Tux: you have previously been using ipw3945? thats not even supported in etch anymore |
| 15:55.36 | liable | or has my memory totally failed? |
| 15:55.38 | Darth_Tux | liable, yes i have been using it |
| 15:56.25 | liable | Darth_Tux: lets get this straight, ipw3945 had a daemon that ran at init, iwl3945 has firmware |
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| 15:56.56 | Darth_Tux | liable, ok |
| 15:57.15 | liable | which is it? |
| 15:57.43 | Darth_Tux | i used ipw3945 on etch, i recently upgraded to Lenny |
| 15:57.59 | Darth_Tux | and installed the iwl firmware |
| 15:58.08 | liable | Darth_Tux: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:58.14 | liable | from non-free |
| 15:58.24 | Darth_Tux | liable, yes, i did that |
| 15:58.46 | liable | Darth_Tux: ok, so how is it failing? |
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| 15:59.29 | Darth_Tux | i am using wifi-radar as the gui to connect to it, it fails to get an ip |
| 15:59.55 | liable | righto |
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| 16:00.40 | liable | Darth_Tux: does 'iwlist scan' show your network? |
| 16:01.06 | Darth_Tux | yes |
| 16:01.31 | liable | and it shows in wifi-radar too? |
| 16:01.55 | Darth_Tux | it shows, but has no signal |
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| 16:02.20 | Darth_Tux | it is probably left over from the ipw3945 settings |
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| 16:02.54 | liable | can you not delete the network settings ? |
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| 16:03.39 | liable | here we go agian with shit wifi support.. its not just NM, everything mostly sucks |
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| 16:04.22 | Darth_Tux | liable, could the olf ipw stuff be causing the issue? |
| 16:04.39 | themill | Darth_Tux: perhaps you could pastebin "iwconfig ; ifconfig -a ; modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail" |
| 16:04.48 | Darth_Tux | sure |
| 16:04.59 | liable | Darth_Tux: it shouldnt, but anything is possible |
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| 16:05.21 | margiolas | any way to open .ppt files without problems? |
| 16:05.33 | themill | liable: if there's some z25 b0rkage with a wlan0_rename card kicking around, that tends to leave everything a bit confused. |
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| 16:05.47 | freddy_ | I had some serious ipw3945 related problems too (~80% package lost, if I could connect). It's a problem with the 2.6.26 kernel, upgrading to .27 helped a lot, upgrading to .28 fixed it |
| 16:05.49 | asg | margiolas: openoffice.org generally does a good job |
| 16:06.02 | Kalleos | hm, isn't the LGPL and the BSD licensence nearly the same? |
| 16:06.04 | liable | themill: if he can see the iface in the gui, i tend to think thats not the problem |
| 16:06.08 | Kalleos | license |
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| 16:06.29 | themill | liable: true. I know nothing about wifi radar though... |
| 16:06.39 | liable | themill: me neither |
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| 16:06.56 | asg | Kalleos: http://oreilly.com/catalog/osfreesoft/book/ <--- that should answer your question |
| 16:07.07 | Darth_Tux | themill, http://pastebin.ca/1317006 |
| 16:07.36 | themill | Kalleos: no, if you redistribute LGPL libraries, you have to offer the source code including any modifications you have made to that library. With BSD you don't. |
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| 16:07.54 | themill | wlan0_rename :) |
| 16:07.56 | themill | !win me |
| 16:07.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:07.58 | liable | hehe |
| 16:08.01 | liable | hah |
| 16:08.09 | margiolas | asg: unfortunally has problems.... I haven't never needed something like that... |
| 16:08.23 | themill | margiolas: etch or lenny? |
| 16:08.23 | liable | that doesnt actually mean thats the problem though |
| 16:08.38 | themill | liable: true. But worth fixing anyway |
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| 16:08.51 | margiolas | themill: sid :-p |
| 16:09.10 | Darth_Tux | themill, so it has the wlan_rename, is there a fix? |
| 16:09.20 | asg | margiolas: you may need a newer version of OO. Otherwise, there isn't much you can do except run windows or attempt to run PP in wine. |
| 16:09.35 | themill | margiolas: ok, so you have the latest ooo in debian anyway then. (etch backports would be a good step if you were using etch). Have a look at ooo from experimental if you're feeling brave. |
| 16:09.57 | themill | !z25 |
| 16:09.57 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 16:10.01 | margiolas | ok thanks |
| 16:10.04 | themill | ^^ Darth_Tux |
| 16:10.25 | themill | Darth_Tux: (and have a look at the wiki I pointed to earlier) |
| 16:10.29 | liable | remove just remove the file and reload the module |
| 16:10.33 | ymas | hello everyone, I'm trying to integrate the open office SDK with eclipse in Debian etch. I've installed openoffice.org-dev using apt. Eclipse can't find the SDK files (nor can I). I'm in the documentation directory for openoffice.org-dev, I can't seem to find the files that will tell me where the SDK was installed? |
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| 16:11.18 | enouf | why was the z dropped from the filename? it was so easy to refer to as z25 and (if it existed; a z70) telling someone to see the 70 file is insane :-P |
| 16:11.44 | liable | because md is a prick :) |
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| 16:11.50 | enouf | heh |
| 16:12.18 | liable | dont get me started on the old udev bug |
| 16:12.34 | liable | i still have it bookmarked for prosperity |
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| 16:13.13 | enouf | reminds me of a quote someone sent me recently ;-) |
| 16:13.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.05 | themill | !blame udev |
| 16:14.05 | dpkg | blames lunaphyte and udev for the end of culture as we know it |
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| 16:14.42 | liable | !dbugs 317322 |
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| 16:14.46 | dpkg | DONE:#317322:N[nbd-client] Man page example incorrect (); Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:03:02 UTC [] |
| 16:15.01 | liable | !dbugs 317332 |
| 16:15.04 | liable | ugh |
| 16:15.05 | dpkg | DONE:#317332:C[udev] udev 0.060-1 should be used with a >= 2.6.12 kernel (sid); Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:03:03 UTC [] |
| 16:15.25 | liable | read all the comments. its comical |
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| 16:16.08 | enouf | i think i recall 0.065 finally making it into sarge ... lmao |
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| 16:16.11 | hark | !widbu |
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| 16:16.11 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
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| 16:18.01 | liable | that was fun times here actually. we got to lart sid users for being clueless :) |
| 16:18.25 | liable | whilst it was annoying as hell.. |
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| 16:18.59 | Darth_Tux | themill, the wiki says to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules... it doesnt exist |
| 16:19.14 | enouf | or ... |
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| 16:20.20 | liable | Darth_Tux: you seem to have not paid attention |
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| 16:20.43 | Darth_Tux | the 70 file is blank |
| 16:21.18 | liable | Darth_Tux: you have etch right? |
| 16:21.36 | Darth_Tux | lenny |
| 16:22.22 | liable | Darth_Tux: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules; modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945 |
| 16:23.39 | Darth_Tux | liable, should the last to commands had out-put? |
| 16:23.45 | liable | no |
| 16:23.53 | Darth_Tux | ok, they didnt |
| 16:24.02 | liable | no output is good |
| 16:24.22 | liable | it means it didnt error.. |
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| 16:24.45 | liable | Darth_Tux: reatart wifi-radar |
| 16:25.35 | Darth_Tux | still didnt connect |
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| 16:26.27 | Darth_Tux | is an idiot |
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| 16:27.21 | Darth_Tux | wifi-radar was looking for eth2 |
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| 16:27.48 | liable | and now its wlan0? |
| 16:27.53 | amitz | how to change the naming for /dev/sda2 to /dev/sda1 after I delete the previous /dev/sda1 partition? |
| 16:28.15 | Darth_Tux | liable, yes, iwconfig had wlan |
| 16:28.30 | liable | Darth_Tux: sorted then? |
| 16:28.50 | Darth_Tux | says it is up |
| 16:29.08 | Darth_Tux | i will pull the chord and we will see |
| 16:29.22 | enouf | amitz: /etc/fstab? i have a feeling though you're doing something very wrong |
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| 16:31.46 | amitz | enouf: I have this fat32 partition I want to delete, but I remember after I delete the first partition, the other partition is still named /dev/sda2. I think the naming is written in partition table or something like that, not /etc/fstab |
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| 16:32.19 | bwlang | i didn't find a channel for ipsec tools, so i'll ask here. How can one configure racoon.conf so that it listens on all interfaces... ipsec 0.0.0.0[500] appears to work but no packets make it through the pipe |
| 16:33.03 | Darth_Tux2 | liable, themill thanks for the help, i appreciate it |
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| 16:33.03 | liable | Darth_Tux2: good stuff. :) |
| 16:33.03 | themill | !beer liable |
| 16:33.03 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for liable |
| 16:33.06 | themill | Darth_Tux2: no worries... |
| 16:33.43 | enouf | amitz: yes and no, in the MPT (part of the MBR) . but any partition editor can take care of that - the issue is partition sda2's starting sector is not 63 .. sda1's was |
| 16:33.45 | Darth_Tux2 | themill, i now know to install lenny first and not mess with etch |
| 16:34.09 | darkham | hey people, i would like add sid repos in my ubuntu intrepid, but i've an error "too long listing" |
| 16:34.13 | themill | Darth_Tux2: well, that card is fine under either, it's just that some tools don't handle the upgrade that nicely |
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| 16:34.19 | Darth_Tux2 | do you suggest an app that is better than wifi-radar? |
| 16:34.43 | themill | Darth_Tux2: I use network-manager, but it would suffer in exactly the same way |
| 16:35.06 | Darth_Tux2 | ok, guess i will keep the wifi-radar then |
| 16:35.14 | enouf | amitz: you'd have to grow the front of sda2 partition down .. not a good idea to even try it, especially without backups .. see if gparted livecd can handle it for you .. perhaps |
| 16:35.29 | themill | darkham: (a) don't (b) ask #ubuntu if they are willing to support your frankenbuntu creation as I can promise you that #debian is not willing to do so. |
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| 16:36.32 | enouf | amitz: note also, once you change the sda2 to sda1 through the above mentioned steps, you'd also then need to adjust /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:36.59 | enouf | amitz: you'd want to adjust all your root and kernel lines (and perhaps your #groot= and/or #kopt=) in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:37.29 | enouf | amitz: er .. mostly/especially if it's a / FS partition |
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| 16:38.54 | enouf | er .. or a /boot one :-) (but if /boot resides on / .. then / FS partition) |
| 16:38.57 | amitz | enouf: woah, thx for the comprehensive covering of complications. I had experienced all of that before, it's really a pain when you don't know what you're doing. |
| 16:39.16 | darkham | themill: if i want some major package of daily use, like MPD, updated, sid repos makes me able to do this, only ubuntu security repos are updated, and this is very sad |
| 16:40.01 | enouf | amitz: much easier to cp/rsync/tar.gz off all data, wipe the disk, Create new partitions and FSs on them, cp data back ;-) .. look into LVM even ;-) |
| 16:40.09 | amitz | enouf: anyway, this sda is not for booting so it's fine :-) |
| 16:40.16 | enouf | well .. depends .. really |
| 16:40.21 | enouf | ok |
| 16:40.22 | darkham | themill: i'm a little bit newbie for trying to use debian directly |
| 16:40.25 | themill | darkham: If you want sid, then install debian and run sid. If you want ubuntu, then use ubuntu. Isn't there an ubuntu+1 that you can use? |
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| 16:40.53 | liable | uh, if you use sid, dont ask here still |
| 16:41.03 | Darth_Tux2 | lol |
| 16:41.07 | themill | darkham: if you're inexperienced then you don't want to go anywhere near sid and you definitely don't want to try mixing distributions like that. It will end badly. |
| 16:41.31 | amitz | enouf: I'll probably dd to image then dd to partition again. I have some spare space to do that. |
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| 16:41.59 | enouf | amitz: compare output of fdisk -l and fdisk -lu and you'll see why i said 63 |
| 16:42.20 | liable | is waiting for a good bug to turn up. we have slowly migated to everyone using sid, and even people adding experimental to sources. i cant wait to cull the clueless with a good bug |
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| 16:42.35 | darkham | themill: yes, but ubuntu+1 are almost unusable until 10 days before the stable release |
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| 16:43.09 | themill | darkham: what makes you think sid is any better than that? |
| 16:43.24 | themill | !liable++ |
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| 16:43.51 | darkham | themill: whatching the pagage list, i look sid more update for my daily use |
| 16:43.52 | liable | what is happening in debian with users wanting instant gratification, is what is unravelling the world economy.. |
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| 16:45.06 | enouf | amitz: with just -l option, fdisk is showing cylinders, not sector numbers - and the 1st cylinder starts at sector 63, even though 63 sectors == 32256 bytes ? , a typical cylinder size is ~8MB, but as you see, the beginning of the disk is "special" ;-) |
| 16:45.44 | amitz | enouf: hmm I'll look into this partition thingie, it should be an nteresting reading :-) |
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| 16:46.28 | enouf | attaboy \o/ |
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| 16:48.47 | amitz | enouf: there is this phrase I learned from a korean film. It's "aza aza fighting", means "good luck in working hard" or something along that line. |
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| 16:49.10 | amitz | aza aza fighting :-) |
| 16:49.35 | liable | kung fu fighting? |
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| 16:49.49 | liable | hums along |
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| 16:50.35 | amitz | liable: the film title is "full house" |
| 16:50.50 | liable | amitz: hmm? |
| 16:50.57 | grub | hi, i am trying to run DB2 in debian ( testing ). This is what i get wheni try to run the control center ( the GUI thing for db2 ) : http://rafb.net/p/2TKv8Y17.html Is this some bug ? |
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| 16:52.53 | amitz | liable: the film that introduced that phrase |
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| 16:54.16 | abrotman | grub: yeah and kind of sad considering it's their own JVM |
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| 16:55.10 | isbear | ê/key ctrl+1 buffer 1 |
| 16:55.14 | abrotman | grub: did you look at the software requirements? |
| 16:55.16 | grub | abrotman, its a java bug ? I was getting some libxcb errors earlier, and hence stumbled accross this https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/185311 |
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| 16:55.58 | isbear | sorry again -_- |
| 16:56.31 | grub | abrotman, yeah.. i dunno why it takes so much just to make the software work :/ |
| 16:57.23 | grub | i tried sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /opt/java/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so as suggested in the link i pasted above... And there were no more libxcb errors, but i still get the above stack trace |
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| 16:58.34 | abrotman | grub: i don't know enough about db2 on linux to really comment .. maybe ask #java if it's actually a java bug or something else |
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| 16:59.02 | vinc | hello! newby question: i need to split a large file and move it to a windows box. May I use split under linux and copy a+b under windows? |
| 16:59.34 | grub | abrotman, actually, i am trying to figure out what exactly is the culprit. according to that bugreport it seemed that its a libx11 bug... but then it seems like a java one too, heh |
| 17:00.23 | abrotman | vinc: or use split here and install cygwin on windows |
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| 17:01.21 | ciphergoth | what does it mean if grub-install hangs? |
| 17:01.47 | liable | the end is nigh |
| 17:01.51 | DeSian | can refresh iceweasel with command line? |
| 17:02.27 | vinc | abrotman: i get it.. it's for someone else, i don't want to waste time under windows and i'm looking for the fastest way, that said with respect... is copy enought? |
| 17:02.28 | liable | DeSian: what do you mean? |
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| 17:02.55 | DeSian | liable: refresh |
| 17:03.09 | liable | DeSian: what do you mean? |
| 17:03.18 | abrotman | vinc: try it, seems reasonable |
| 17:03.30 | vinc | abrotman: thank you |
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| 17:04.04 | amitz | vinc: just don't open the file and saving it again. |
| 17:04.16 | amitz | vinc: to be on the safe side |
| 17:04.26 | DeSian | liable: Refresh isn't English? |
| 17:04.55 | vinc | amitz: all right, thanks |
| 17:05.01 | liable | DeSian: yes it is, but your sentence makes no sense. explain exactly what you want to do |
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| 17:05.30 | DeSian | liable: if make any sense, then let it. thanx |
| 17:06.06 | \amethyst | liable: I believe DeSian is asking if there's a way to ask to running instance of FF/IW to reload the current page |
| 17:06.33 | spal | f5? |
| 17:06.41 | vinc | liable: or perhaps F5 |
| 17:06.46 | \amethyst | from the command line |
| 17:06.53 | \amethyst | I don't think there is a way :( |
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| 17:06.56 | liable | \amethyst: i guess i'll leave it to you to decypher then |
| 17:07.41 | vinc | maybe some event handled by dbus |
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| 17:08.16 | liable | why would you try and feed a backgounded process started from cli a refresh command? |
| 17:08.20 | DeSian | somthing like that /usr/bin/firefox restart |
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| 17:08.46 | liable | DeSian: please explain what you are trying to do |
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| 17:09.13 | DeSian | liable: as i said thank you, let it :) |
| 17:09.37 | liable | DeSian: does that mean you dont want me to answer? |
| 17:10.19 | \amethyst | DeSian: oh, do you want FF to restart or just to reload the current tab? |
| 17:10.20 | vinc | liable: or perhaps he means "let it go" |
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| 17:10.39 | DeSian | liable: my question is clear, can refresh Page in iceweasel or releaod it without F5 or Ctrl+R with shell? |
| 17:10.46 | liable | i guess so, i just wanted to know what he actually meant.. |
| 17:11.35 | d-b | DeSian: sure killall iceweasel then you will have to hit enter when it asks to restore the session. otherwise -> just press f5 -> there may be a hook you can get into -> this is not the channel to ask in |
| 17:11.49 | spal | DeSian: if you say your purpose we might be able to provide alternatives that might do what you want. |
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| 17:12.04 | DeSian | d-b: :) |
| 17:12.22 | spal | DeSian: do you have to do it through shell? is it enough if the page can refresh it automatically at regular intervals even without commands from shell? |
| 17:12.23 | DeSian | spal: if no way, then i do it with F5 |
| 17:12.26 | liable | DeSian: when you start it from shell, you cannot give it any commands from shell once it is started |
| 17:12.36 | \amethyst | liable: that's not entirely true |
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| 17:12.45 | themill | liable: many gui apps have the ability to control them using some sort of RPC through dcop or dbus. |
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| 17:13.08 | themill | liable: a running instance of firefox can be prompted to open a new tab or window from the command line |
| 17:13.19 | \amethyst | I just don't think reloading the current tab is one of the things you can do |
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| 17:13.33 | dante_2core | ahm |
| 17:13.33 | d-b | he can load the same site again tho |
| 17:13.33 | dante_2core | easy |
| 17:13.34 | \amethyst | I'm not finding an xfeDoCommand for it |
| 17:13.35 | themill | yeah, I've not come across it |
| 17:13.45 | dante_2core | sorry, wrong tab. 'pologies to all. |
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| 17:14.38 | octoserver | what is a good command to see where my cdroms are ? |
| 17:14.55 | liable | so, its possible, yet how? |
| 17:14.56 | d-b | cd /media; ls |
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| 17:15.45 | octoserver | i mean like, what the /dev name is? |
| 17:15.53 | d-b | try mount then |
| 17:15.56 | d-b | 'mount' |
| 17:16.21 | newsense | df -h will show all mounted drives and mount points or cat /etc/mtab |
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| 17:17.17 | liable | themill: how do you feed dcop commands through a sh session though? |
| 17:18.20 | themill | liable: there's a command line tool called dcop. e.g.: dcop konversation irc setAway "The lights are on but nobody's home" |
| 17:18.31 | liable | hah |
| 17:18.38 | liable | thats a bit nasty |
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| 17:19.10 | liable | themill: gimme the dcop command to open windows in the weasel |
| 17:19.19 | themill | (that's out of my auto-away scripts that are executed when I watch dvds) |
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| 17:19.39 | themill | IW doesn't use dcop. It has it's own RPC implementation. |
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| 17:20.11 | themill | liable: firefox -remote openURL\("$URL", new-window\) |
| 17:20.30 | hark | you could do a hack with xmacro or something for the F5 thing |
| 17:20.49 | themill | liable: gimp has a similar thing with gimp-remote. |
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| 17:21.11 | liable | themill: iceweasel you mean, or its firefox for the command? |
| 17:21.22 | hark | but iceweasel would have to somehow be brought into focus for that |
| 17:21.55 | themill | liable: either. /usr/bin/firefox is a symlink on debian. |
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| 17:22.26 | octoserver | is there a commsnd to see hardware info of the cdroms? |
| 17:22.44 | d-b | octoserver: what kind of info |
| 17:22.52 | dante_2core | octoserver, look at the wodim program |
| 17:23.20 | Kalleos | what does cp mean in here? I tried to look it up in the manual, but I didnt find it: sudo cp -r $HOME/Desktop/SlicknesS-black /usr/share/themes |
| 17:23.32 | dante_2core | Kalleos, copy. |
| 17:23.34 | octoserver | isnt there a command called hwinfo or something liek that? |
| 17:23.37 | Kalleos | O_o |
| 17:23.46 | Kalleos | oh god |
| 17:23.48 | d-b | octoserver: yes there is |
| 17:23.50 | Kalleos | not my day |
| 17:23.58 | newsense | octoserver, its the suse hardware information toll or somwething and its in a seperate package |
| 17:24.08 | liable | themill: how to make it work? i get a bad command error. |
| 17:24.11 | octoserver | lol |
| 17:24.13 | d-b | Kalleos: wtf ? um you just copied a theme to the /usr/share/themes folder |
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| 17:24.32 | octoserver | i have suse on my other computer, just to confise myself more lol |
| 17:24.43 | octoserver | ithought there was :) |
| 17:24.43 | d-b | !debian |
| 17:24.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:24.49 | Kalleos | is that wrong? |
| 17:24.55 | d-b | Kalleos: why did you do that ? |
| 17:25.07 | d-b | did you want it to be installed in that location ? |
| 17:25.13 | Kalleos | because the site did tell it me |
| 17:25.23 | d-b | Kalleos: what site ? |
| 17:25.31 | Kalleos | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Slickness+Black?content=73210 |
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| 17:25.58 | dante_2core | Kalleos, don't ever do things you don't know what their effect is only because a page tells you to do so |
| 17:25.58 | d-b | Kalleos: oh dear god no. rofl |
| 17:26.03 | themill | liable: that might be an ff2 thing... doesn't work here for me with ff3 (but I know it used to work on this machine) |
| 17:26.04 | spal | Kalleos: cp is the copy command. |
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| 17:26.20 | d-b | yes and you don't need to put gnome themes there. |
| 17:26.20 | liable | themill: lies! ;) |
| 17:26.42 | liable | themill: you had me intrigued there for a minute |
| 17:26.44 | dante_2core | ... but the theme looks nice, though ^^ |
| 17:26.45 | Kalleos | wtf |
| 17:26.49 | Kalleos | whats wrong with the path? |
| 17:27.27 | spal | Kalleos: you should never try commands without knowing what they are going to do. someone might give you commands to remove all important files as root and then your system would be screwed. |
| 17:27.42 | liable | \amethyst: whats your ipc for the weasel? |
| 17:27.50 | \amethyst | liable: huh? |
| 17:28.05 | Kalleos | well I only didn't understand 2% of the command - so i was asking |
| 17:28.07 | liable | \amethyst: you said it can be talked to from the cli |
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| 17:28.09 | \amethyst | liable: I was talking about xfeDoCommand but it doesn't seem to have a way to reload |
| 17:28.14 | Kalleos | Why is it wrong |
| 17:28.34 | d-b | Kalleos: it is not wrong, just not best practice |
| 17:28.37 | dante_2core | Kalleos, no, it's not wrong per se, but if it had been, you'd have had no idea it was |
| 17:28.42 | \amethyst | liable: or firefox -remote 'openURL(http://google.com)' |
| 17:28.51 | d-b | there is no need to chmod 777 a jpg. |
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| 17:29.10 | Kalleos | I wondered about it too |
| 17:29.19 | Kalleos | but why do they suggest it? |
| 17:29.19 | liable | \amethyst: that worked |
| 17:29.23 | octoserver | d-b: when i go in kinfocenter i can see hardware info for the dvdrom and that it is hdb, fdisk -l doesnt show me so i guess I was just lookng for a command that can spit out hardware info instead of going into kinfocenter |
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| 17:29.27 | hark | themill: there's -new-window now :) |
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| 17:29.40 | octoserver | d-b: thats all i was trying to find or remember :) |
| 17:29.42 | d-b | hwinfo works .... lspci -v works... etc. |
| 17:29.45 | vincenz | Hello, so I have an atheros card, and it seems to load fine. I manually set an essid, however it fails when I try to set it to Master |
| 17:29.49 | d-b | hdparm /dev/hda works too octoserver |
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| 17:30.22 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. There are some websites to which I want my connections originating from my university. I have ssh access to my university's machines. What's a good solution to this? |
| 17:30.32 | Kalleos | So... the target path /usr/share/themes for the gnome theme is okay? |
| 17:30.34 | themill | liable: firefox is picky about quoting the arguments. It doesn't want the URL quoted. |
| 17:30.45 | Kalleos | and why do they suggest to chmod it to 777 |
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| 17:30.59 | themill | liable: so firefox -remote 'openURL(http://google.com, new-window)' does actually work. (you can also use new-tab) |
| 17:31.01 | d-b | jonaskoelker: ssh -D 9999 and -> foxyproxy i think its called |
| 17:31.04 | Kalleos | a jpg i mean |
| 17:31.07 | liable | themill: its new to me, i just copied your text. |
| 17:31.09 | d-b | (for firefox) |
| 17:31.19 | liable | themill: interesting though |
| 17:31.28 | themill | liable: but you would have put something in there for $URL. |
| 17:31.28 | d-b | or just add the sites to firefoxes proxy info area. |
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| 17:31.41 | liable | themill: not quite IPC but it does prove a point |
| 17:31.49 | liable | themill: i did |
| 17:32.06 | hark | iceweasel -new-window www.google.com is simpler |
| 17:32.10 | jonaskoelker | d-b: firefox-only solutions will do. Thanks for the tip :) |
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| 17:32.52 | themill | liable: and if you left the quote characters there then that would make it barf. (and what's not IPC about it?) |
| 17:33.02 | octoserver | when i apttude search something what do the characters represent on the left hand side like (i, p,a) etc ? |
| 17:33.21 | octoserver | "i" mean installed right |
| 17:33.40 | liable | themill: ok, well i guess it is ipc |
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| 17:34.17 | themill | liable: yep. A message is passed from one process to the existing IW to do something... |
| 17:34.58 | liable | yep |
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| 17:36.15 | liable | you win for now, but your evil plans will be defetd in the end! |
| 17:36.19 | octoserver | i found it in man, p means no trace found in the system. why "p" for "no trace" ? hmm |
| 17:36.25 | liable | heads back to the lair |
| 17:36.53 | valdyn | octoserver: becaue removing all traces is aptitude purge <packagename> |
| 17:37.02 | liable | decides he has had enough beer for the night and retires |
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| 17:37.24 | groton | hello, i am booting the linux kernel provided by linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 package, which has a initrd image which provides a module to load the boot partition correctly. Instead, in my own compiled kernel, i do not want to create an initrd image (it is not necessarily needed), but my kernel fails with "kernel panic: cannot syncing to root partition, block at 0,0 unrecknonized". Is there an easy way to determine which is the Module Driver which i need |
| 17:37.24 | groton | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.27 | octoserver | ahhhh, so even if never installed, it is still in the purged state right ? |
| 17:37.50 | \amethyst | octoserver: yup |
| 17:38.17 | octoserver | cool ,i see A is automatically installed, as in grabed as a dependancy maybe ? |
| 17:38.35 | jelly-home | groton: look at the modules used on the already running syste instead |
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| 17:39.07 | groton | jelly-home, ok, it is this one, let me check with lsmod |
| 17:39.13 | \amethyst | octoserver: yes; take a look at /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s02s02.html |
| 17:39.25 | \amethyst | octoserver: in the package aptitude-doc-en |
| 17:39.45 | jelly-home | groton: you'll need the driver for the boot disk controller, the driver for the filesystem, and the driver for the disk device |
| 17:40.17 | octoserver | coo, thanks |
| 17:40.21 | c369 | hey, could anybody look over this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=35106 I'd really appreciate any help! guess it is too long to ask here directly |
| 17:40.43 | groton | jelly-home, ok, thanks. Could you confirm that the initrd image file of the properly booting kernel has all those 3 things inside? |
| 17:41.36 | nox-Hand | I get this bug when installing ANY package in apt-get: |
| 17:41.41 | nox-Hand | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown user `debian-transmission' in statoverride file |
| 17:41.41 | dpkg | nox-Hand: You are moron #39 |
| 17:41.44 | nox-Hand | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 17:41.56 | nox-Hand | dpkg: Yes, I know. Can you, a bot, help me though? :) |
| 17:41.57 | dpkg | nox-Hand: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 17:42.36 | nox-Hand | T___T Just got talkback from the bot :\ |
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| 17:43.12 | abrotman | nox-Hand: dpkg --configure -a .. give the same thing ? |
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| 17:43.53 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Nope, it gives no output |
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| 17:44.37 | abrotman | nox-Hand: paste the full out put of the error |
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| 17:45.28 | nox-Hand | abrotman: There you are ->> http://pastebin.ca/1317092 |
| 17:45.36 | jelly-home | groton: if it didn't have them it wouldn't work |
| 17:45.44 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Side info, the bug came after I insatlled a .deb outside the repositories, and then removed it ~5 mins later. |
| 17:45.57 | groton | jelly-home, ok, thanks a lot |
| 17:46.16 | nox-Hand | abrotman: So it's without a doubt probably my fault :\ |
| 17:46.16 | abrotman | nox-Hand: shocker |
| 17:46.21 | abrotman | nox-Hand: which package? |
| 17:46.42 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Transmission-daemon |
| 17:47.06 | groton | jelly-home, i had ext3 file system support as a Module, and the partition boot *is* ext3 :) |
| 17:47.23 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: is that package installed right now? |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | nox-Hand: dpkg -l transmission-daemon .. what is the status ? |
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| 17:48.27 | nox-Hand | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1317094 |
| 17:48.38 | nox-Hand | \amethyst: Should not be, I uninstalled it with apt-get remove |
| 17:48.55 | abrotman | nox-Hand: dpkg -P transmission-daemon .. see if that takes care of it |
| 17:49.07 | nox-Hand | Figured if I installed a package, tested it, and then removed it without doing any changes straight after, it would not do any damage -- I was wrong ;) |
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| 17:49.44 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Purging configuration files for transmission-daemon ... |
| 17:49.46 | nox-Hand | No override present |
| 17:50.03 | nox-Hand | abrotman: But it still gives the syntax error: unknown user 'debian-transmission' in statoverride file |
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| 17:50.26 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: does this work: dpkg-statoverride --quiet --remove /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info |
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| 17:51.03 | vincenz | is using atherosAR5413 on debian, and for some reason wlanconfig gives me "ioctl: Operation not supported" |
| 17:51.57 | nox-Hand | \amethyst: "No override present" |
| 17:52.18 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: look in the file /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride |
| 17:52.28 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: does it have any lines referring to debian-transmission ? |
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| 17:52.51 | nox-Hand | \amethyst: debian-transmission debian-transmission 4750 /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
| 17:53.01 | nox-Hand | The only thing in the statoverride file, in fact |
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| 17:53.33 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: dpkg-statoverride --remove /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
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| 17:53.45 | vincenz | j debian-support |
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| 17:54.02 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: I'm guessing that entry came from the ubuntu package |
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| 17:54.06 | nox-Hand | \amethyst: That did the trick! |
| 17:54.24 | abrotman | nox-Hand: why would you install an ubuntu package on debian ? |
| 17:54.29 | nox-Hand | \amethyst: Thankyou very much - I promise not to use Ubuntu packages in Debian ever again :) |
| 17:54.47 | \amethyst | hoping to get a newer version I imagine |
| 17:54.50 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Because transmission had a precompiled .deb for their beta on their site for Ubuntu, and figured that if it installed on Debian, it would be compatible |
| 17:54.57 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:55.02 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Once again I proved self wrong :) |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | nox-Hand: no guarantees, sometimes, but don't bet on it |
| 17:55.12 | \amethyst | nox-Hand: vendor .debs are even worse than .debs from Ubuntu :) |
| 17:55.13 | nox-Hand | =] |
| 17:55.30 | \amethyst | at least the people making Ubuntu .debs understand policy |
| 17:55.36 | abrotman | some of them |
| 17:55.40 | \amethyst | true :) |
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| 17:55.50 | thing1 | hi i have a ip camara set up behind a debian/shorewall firewall, i have all the required port set to forward from the external ip into the internal ip, when i try and connect to an MCU on the external network, the MCU shows me that its trying to talk to the camara via its internal ip, not external ip |
| 17:56.01 | thing1 | what could i be doing wrong |
| 17:56.46 | orak3l_ | hi, i'm using debian lenny with 2.6.28 kernel on gnome. ive migrated all of my partitions to ext4. Now i have a little problem with the trashcan. if i delete something within nautilus i dont get any feedback about the deleting procedure. the file just instantly disapears. the other thing is, that i cant clean up my trashcan. i cant select "empty Trash". When looking into ~/.local/share/Trash/files i can see the deleted files. my question is |
| 17:56.46 | orak3l_ | why this behaviour changed in that way by migrating to ext4. if i mount vfat devices with .Trash folder the files show up in the trashcan. .Trash folder on ext4 did not. i hope you can help me and sorry for my bad english :) |
| 17:57.06 | vincenz | Anyone any experience with atheros cards ad how to set up wifi? |
| 17:57.49 | abrotman | !tell vincenz about madwifi install |
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| 17:58.19 | thing1 | it seems that the outgoing packets from my internal network are not being nat'd. |
| 17:58.26 | \amethyst | orak3l_: hm, I would suspect it's a case-sensitivity problem, except that it looks like you used the correct capitalization |
| 17:58.33 | c369 | what does mount ... -o ro,umask=077 do? ro is read only, but isn't the 77 the very opposite of read only? |
| 17:58.51 | vincenz | abrotman: that won't help |
| 17:58.56 | vincenz | I keep getting ioclt errors |
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| 17:59.21 | \amethyst | c369: umask refers to the bits that are masked out |
| 17:59.47 | \amethyst | c369: so that means turn off the bits in 0077 (leaving at most 4700) |
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| 18:00.01 | orak3l_ | \amethyst, thx for your reply. but i dont understand what you mean. what input should i provide to you for better clarification? |
| 18:00.04 | c369 | \amethyst, I see, thanks! |
| 18:00.51 | abrotman | vincenz: which card? which driveR? which version of debian? which kernel? |
| 18:01.16 | \amethyst | orak3l_: never mind, I was confused |
| 18:01.53 | vincenz | abrotman: ath5k, voyage-lenny which is basically debian lenny slimmed down, atheros AR5413, 2.6.26-486 |
| 18:02.13 | \amethyst | orak3l_: hm... ~/.local/share/Trash/files sounds like the KDE trash directory; gnome uses ~/.Trash I though |
| 18:02.16 | \amethyst | t |
| 18:02.33 | abrotman | vincenz: you may also want to try #madwifi |
| 18:02.37 | simonrvn | no, gnome uses that |
| 18:02.38 | vincenz | thanks |
| 18:02.45 | abrotman | vincenz: otherwise, paste the errors in a pastebin |
| 18:02.52 | \amethyst | oh, hm |
| 18:03.10 | simonrvn | though i think they both do now, to sync up with FDO |
| 18:05.11 | \amethyst | orak3l_: is your partitioning the same as it used to be? or did you consolidate or split partitions when you moved to ext4? |
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| 18:09.04 | orak3l_ | \amethyst, ive moved all of my partitions from ext3 to ext4. root partition included. my home partition was so big, that i had to switch to external harddrive. the shit is, that this external partition was formated with vfat. so ive done a rsync to vfat and vice versa. it could be a permission thing cos of the non existing ability of vfat to handle that type of information |
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| 18:10.03 | \amethyst | orak3l_: yeah, that would have changed permissions and ownership on everything in the home partition |
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| 18:10.38 | orak3l_ | so, i think i need information about the required files folders and permissions to get trashcan working |
| 18:10.43 | orak3l_ | i could then work on this problem |
| 18:10.59 | \amethyst | orak3l_: what does ls -ld ~/.local/share/Trash say? |
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| 18:11.44 | orak3l_ | drwxr-xr-x 3 orak3l orak3l 4096 30. Nov 22:39 Trash/ |
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| 18:11.51 | orak3l_ | it should be something like 700? |
| 18:11.54 | \amethyst | orak3l_: it's 700 here |
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| 18:12.10 | marije61 | Ciao a tutti XD |
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| 18:12.57 | orak3l_ | should i recursively change to 700 or just Trash? |
| 18:13.02 | simonrvn | maybe that's why, it refuses to do anything 'cause it's got the wrong perms. like ssh and gpg |
| 18:13.17 | c369 | how do I access /boot from the initramfs (busybox)? |
| 18:13.33 | c369 | it should be mounted already, right? |
| 18:13.42 | simonrvn | mine's also 700 |
| 18:13.44 | abrotman | busybox has mount |
| 18:13.46 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, ok i will try to run nautilus within a console session and monitor the output while deleting |
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| 18:13.59 | simonrvn | mount /proc and find out (cat /proc/mounts) |
| 18:14.15 | simonrvn | or run mount itself... |
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| 18:15.01 | cromag | quick question; when CPAN asks for 'Please provide the location of the Apache directory:' is that /usr/bin or /etc/apache2/ or how ? |
| 18:15.18 | c369 | alright ill try |
| 18:15.41 | cromag | this is when 'upgrade'ing |
| 18:16.22 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, oh! how can i get console output from nautilus? when typing nautilus . nautilus spawns and the console become available for other commands |
| 18:16.26 | orak3l_ | that sucks |
| 18:16.31 | simonrvn | why is it even asking you? ;) |
| 18:16.39 | simonrvn | orak3l_: & |
| 18:16.47 | c369 | when I mount my / nothing happens, but when I mount the partition to /mnt I can access the files, why is that? |
| 18:16.55 | abrotman | cromag: what are you getting from cpan ? |
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| 18:17.08 | cromag | abrotman: i just ran 'upgrade' |
| 18:17.15 | abrotman | upgrade of what? |
| 18:17.17 | cromag | abrotman: preparing for installing RT |
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| 18:17.27 | abrotman | !info dh_make_perl etch |
| 18:17.27 | cromag | abrotman: just a plain 'upgrade' in CPAN |
| 18:17.36 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | !info dh-make-perl etch |
| 18:17.46 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.25 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 18:20.04 | cromag | oh well, that didnt help me much :x |
| 18:21.13 | cromag | not sure why i asked in here actually, i thought i went to #perl |
| 18:21.15 | cromag | oh well.. |
| 18:21.17 | abrotman | cromag: i'd try the /etc/apache/ first .. it'll barf if not |
| 18:21.18 | cromag | thanks anyway :) |
| 18:21.36 | cromag | abrotman: it did barf but just continued. |
| 18:21.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:21.51 | abrotman | so why ask! :) |
| 18:21.52 | c369 | I don't get this, <mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/md1_crypt /> does not return any error, but I can't access the files - or is it not possible to mount to / when in the initramfs/busy box? |
| 18:22.16 | c369 | and how do I continue booting from there? |
| 18:22.35 | cromag | abrotman: i assumed you answered with the dh_make_perl stuff. |
| 18:22.35 | SethX | uhm, i just got back to my problem regarding apache.. i added a deb-src line [deb-src mirror sid main contrib non-free], apt-update , and when running apt-get build-dep apache-common apache-dev apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-prefork-dev apache2-utils apache2.2-common ; it says: E: Build-Depends dependency for apache2 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 18:23.09 | abrotman | cromag: i did, most perl modules are in debian, and if not, dh-make-perl makes them easier to manage |
| 18:23.34 | cromag | abrotman: ok, i just have this tiny guide that tells me to do this. - Thats why i asked that specific. |
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| 18:24.01 | simonrvn | c369: you have to pivot_root() too |
| 18:24.05 | cromag | but, i dont think any great harm has been done |
| 18:24.18 | cromag | tried the /usr/bin/ |
| 18:24.23 | simonrvn | (don't ask me how to effing do that ;) |
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| 18:26.37 | c369 | simonrvn, thanks, now at least I know why it does not work :) |
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| 18:28.33 | c369 | hmm, ./update-initramfs: line 550: stat: not found |
| 18:29.54 | amitz | gnash still doesn't work for youtube in lenny. flashplayer-plugin crash on playing any flash. any temporary solution to watch flash? |
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| 18:31.03 | enouf | c369: i'm late on this; but can you please explain your issue again in detail? Are you booting directly into an already done install? Did you update/upgrade recently which broke it? If so, from what -> to what? etc etc |
| 18:31.14 | orak3l_ | ive done some tests now, but with no results |
| 18:31.17 | enouf | c369: are you booting from a livecd? |
| 18:31.31 | orak3l_ | ive created a new user and logged in |
| 18:31.45 | orak3l_ | the trashcan dont work with this new user too |
| 18:32.17 | orak3l_ | ive cleaned all .Trash-1000 folders on any partitions |
| 18:32.22 | enouf | c369: what does this mean? <c369> when I mount my / nothing happens, ... (yes i read the rest -- but what should be happening?) |
| 18:32.37 | c369 | enouf, no, from hd, I tried to have luks read the keyfile for / from usb, but this fails due to some charset issue, now I changed the /etc/crypttab and it should work again, but I don't know how to update the initramfs image |
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| 18:32.52 | orak3l_ | set the permissions to 700 on .Trash-1000 and .Trash-1000/files |
| 18:33.09 | orak3l_ | it helped nothing |
| 18:33.37 | enouf | c369: well, you add what you need to the files in /etc/initramfs-tools/* ... and run update-initramfs -- but just try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) for now |
| 18:33.43 | simonrvn | how odd. maybe something's not running, like dbus |
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| 18:33.47 | simonrvn | orak3l_: ^^^ |
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| 18:35.07 | enouf | amitz: i use /msg dpkg youtube script for watching youtube videos |
| 18:35.22 | enouf | amitz: that's '/msg dpkg youtube script' |
| 18:35.25 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, rc2.d/S12dbus on init scipts. and with ps aux | grep dbus i get some processes assigned to dbus |
| 18:35.29 | Rizzo0917 | anyone have experience installing rtl8189 usb wifi driver on debian,, anyway? |
| 18:35.29 | orak3l_ | :( |
| 18:35.37 | c369 | enouf, you sure that won't hurt anything? |
| 18:35.54 | simonrvn | orak3l_: just for fun, restart it, then try again |
| 18:35.57 | grub | how is that a certain app which doesn't work otherwise, runs fine when i run it with strace ? |
| 18:36.13 | enouf | c369: hurt? you want to update the initrd?, then no - but pay attention, update-grub might run as well as mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 18:36.16 | abrotman | grub: magic? |
| 18:36.41 | grub | abrotman, that db2 thing, works fine with strace |
| 18:36.52 | abrotman | !pal grub |
| 18:36.52 | dpkg | points at grub and laughs uproariously |
| 18:36.53 | abrotman | sorry |
| 18:37.00 | simonrvn | usually run time options set wrong, but none being run with strace, other reasons. |
| 18:37.15 | enouf | c369: and /etc/kernel-img.conf gets parsed for params (such as update-grub and such) |
| 18:37.32 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, this problems remains since i migrated to ext4. ive restarted a lot of times since that point. so i wont reboot another time. and btw i think its a windows thing to restart when something goes wrong. do nautilus provide logfiles anywhere? |
| 18:38.01 | simonrvn | i didn't say reboot, did i? |
| 18:38.24 | simonrvn | ~/.xsession-errors or gdm/kdm/xdm/whatever's logs |
| 18:38.46 | enouf | SethX: you need a newer debhelper version too? |
| 18:38.48 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, thx. sorry for missunderstood. you talked about the dbus service :) |
| 18:38.51 | enouf | SethX: backport that prior |
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| 18:39.50 | enouf | !blame dbus! |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | blames nsadmin and dbus! for all the evil in the world |
| 18:40.18 | enouf | it's almost as e\/|L as udev :-P |
| 18:40.21 | enouf | runs |
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| 18:41.23 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, .xsession-erros give me that line ** (nautilus:10147): WARNING **: Failed to initialize libhal context: (null) : (null) |
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| 18:41.43 | orak3l_ | simonrvn, but hal + trashcan, is there a relationship? |
| 18:42.08 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 18:42.18 | simonrvn | hal, no, that's hardware stuffs |
| 18:43.07 | dazjorz | suppose you have a vanilla dpkg from sid, with a database which contains some installed packages but virtually no installed files - is there any reason for dpkg, when it has to install something in /etc/bash_completion.d, to try and copy / move / whatever that directory to /etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-tmp ? |
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| 18:44.17 | dazjorz | since I'm trying to port dpkg and some other Debian stuff to Cygwin, and installing dpatch containing /etc/bash_completion.d/dpatch_edit_patch makes it install an /etc/bash_completion.d/dpatch_edit_patch.dpkg-new and then error out at trying to remove /etc/bash.completion.d.dpkg-tmp which is nonexistant |
| 18:44.25 | dazjorz | the strace is huge and doesn't really seem to help a lot |
| 18:44.39 | dazjorz | except that I see it working with /usr.dpkg-new and /usr/bin.dpkg-new too :/ |
| 18:44.55 | nsadmin | dazjorz: probably better to specify what version of dpkg you mean |
| 18:45.09 | dazjorz | in checking if a file exists, does dpkg check the database or the system itself? :/ |
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| 18:45.21 | dazjorz | nsadmin: 1.14.24 compiled for cygwin-i386 |
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| 18:46.14 | nsadmin | not sure what dpkg does... but you can use at least bash or perl in the maint scripts to check |
| 18:46.22 | c369 | enouf, but /etc/kernel-img.conf does not exist unless I mount /, correct? |
| 18:46.38 | nsadmin | correct. |
| 18:46.44 | enouf | c369: 'does not exist' does not compute |
| 18:46.51 | dazjorz | nsadmin: in the maint scripts? |
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| 18:47.07 | nsadmin | dazjorz: yes |
| 18:47.10 | c369 | enouf but if I mount it I can't run update-initramfs |
| 18:47.22 | enouf | c369: mount what? |
| 18:47.42 | c369 | enouf my / partition |
| 18:48.04 | nsadmin | usually the / partition is mounted at boot, and on / |
| 18:48.22 | c369 | I'm able to mount it to /mnt and there I can run update-initramfs but this fails |
| 18:48.43 | c369 | nsadmin, it is encrypted using luks |
| 18:48.54 | c369 | I have have a /boot and a encrypted / |
| 18:48.58 | enouf | c369: having / read your encrypted key from a USB key might require special things, .. things such as those mentioned here; http://feraga.com/node/94 and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 18:49.06 | nsadmin | I have no idea how that works... |
| 18:49.09 | dazjorz | nsadmin: which do you mean? |
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| 18:49.36 | nsadmin | dazjorz: I got here late, so I don't know what you're trying to accomplish |
| 18:49.45 | enouf | erm .. i meant s/ your initrd read your/ ... if that's the way it happens, but /boot is a separate non-encrypted partition? |
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| 18:49.54 | c369 | enouf, yeah |
| 18:50.00 | dazjorz | nsadmin: I'm trying to port the debian base over to cygwin... |
| 18:50.07 | dazjorz | have been somewhat succesful up to now |
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| 18:50.12 | c369 | and im also able to mount / when typing the key manually |
| 18:50.24 | dudemax | allo evry body |
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| 18:50.29 | nsadmin | what are the specifics of your present problem |
| 18:50.31 | enouf | c369: at exacly which stage in the boot process? |
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| 18:50.34 | pgl | hello. I have a semi-ot question for you, as it isn't strictly debian-related. Shoud a server used by people in various timezones be set to the UTC or to the local timezone? |
| 18:50.50 | nsadmin | UTC |
| 18:50.58 | simonrvn | dazjorz: if it's any help, the dpkg-new stuff is while it's in the middle of installing, and is stopped for some reason, and hasn't completed the task. |
| 18:50.59 | c369 | enouf, in the busy box |
| 18:51.03 | \amethyst | pgl: doesn't particularly matter; each user can set their own TZ |
| 18:51.06 | enouf | c369: and .. when you do enter the key manually, does everything then work correctly? |
| 18:51.07 | pgl | UTC would be nice, as servers in different locations are syncronized |
| 18:51.09 | dazjorz | nsadmin: I try to install the .deb I just compiled for dpatch, using dpkg -i dpatch-.._cygwin-i386.deb, and get an error it tries to remove /etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-new which of course does not exist and should not exist |
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| 18:51.27 | pgl | \amethyst so there's nothing bad in setting it to UTC... |
| 18:51.29 | dazjorz | simonrvn: yeah I know - but it's trying to make dpkg-new for *directories* which are already there |
| 18:51.29 | pgl | nice |
| 18:51.29 | \amethyst | pgl: no |
| 18:51.37 | dazjorz | when it has to update / create one file inside that directory |
| 18:51.38 | pgl | thank you |
| 18:51.54 | dazjorz | it's messing with /usr.dpkg-new too, I see in the strace - I'm guessing that's not normal |
| 18:52.05 | \amethyst | pgl: though I should point out that ntp doesn't care about the time zone, so it doesn't hurt to use a time zone instead |
| 18:52.13 | nsadmin | dazjorz why is it aware of that path? |
| 18:52.18 | simonrvn | dazjorz: initial installation does that. |
| 18:52.20 | \amethyst | s/instead/either/ |
| 18:52.21 | dazjorz | nsadmin: aware of which path? |
| 18:52.27 | enouf | c369: well. .. are you booting into 'single' recovery mode? generally you are "dropped" into busybox when / can't be mounted, or the initrd couldn't transfer over to it correctly (as simonrvn mentioned pivot_root, but there are variants as well) |
| 18:52.29 | nsadmin | the one you just mentioned |
| 18:52.34 | dazjorz | simonrvn: interesting, because this is the first real package I'm installing using dpkg on this system |
| 18:52.42 | simonrvn | as long as it finsishes it it should be ok ;) |
| 18:52.59 | dazjorz | before, I installed a small stub package, which contained no files, and I added `dpkg` itself to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 18:53.06 | dazjorz | (that is, the dpkg package) |
| 18:53.48 | nsadmin | why does dpatch have anything to do with /etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-new? |
| 18:53.50 | c369 | enouf, that is what happens, im dropped into busybox and what I did is the following: I mounted the / to /mnt and change the /mnt/etc/crypttab so that I would be able to enter the key manually again - but I don't know how to make that change permanently |
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| 18:54.18 | c369 | because I have to run /mnt/usr/sbin/update-initramfs to make that change but this fails |
| 18:54.45 | \amethyst | nsadmin: it probably contains a completion script |
| 18:54.57 | \amethyst | nsadmin: and therefore contains the directory /etc/bash_completion.d |
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| 18:55.18 | nsadmin | ok |
| 18:55.32 | nsadmin | let's resolve the "probably" |
| 18:55.38 | \amethyst | it does, just checked |
| 18:55.43 | nsadmin | ok |
| 18:55.47 | \amethyst | /etc/bash_completion.d and /etc/bash_completion.d/dpatch_edit_patch |
| 18:55.49 | simonrvn | dazjorz: something is obviously stopping it |
| 18:56.22 | enouf | (this is late, but wtf) c369: some things you might want to read up on; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/early-userspace/README#L124 ... /Documentation/initrd.txt ... /Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt |
| 18:56.25 | \amethyst | dazjorz: maybe if you make and fake-install a package containing all your directories |
| 18:56.28 | nsadmin | so then, why does it think this other dir should exist? |
| 18:56.28 | dazjorz | nsadmin: what \amethyst says is true |
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| 18:56.35 | dazjorz | \amethyst: yeah, good idea, will try |
| 18:56.54 | c369 | enouf, okay, thanks |
| 18:56.55 | nsadmin | this one:/etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-new |
| 18:57.01 | \amethyst | dazjorz: then once you have all the packages installed it should be safe to remove that package |
| 18:57.06 | enouf | c369: because you never chroot into your / that you mounted |
| 18:57.09 | \amethyst | dazjorz: make sure it contains directories only and not files or symlinks |
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| 18:57.25 | jelly-home | "/etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-new" is really wrong, as "/etc/bash_completion.d" should be a dir |
| 18:57.40 | dazjorz | jelly-home: indeed. |
| 18:57.42 | enouf | c369: see this; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 |
| 18:57.51 | dazjorz | jelly-home: that's the idea |
| 18:57.52 | JPT | mhh... is the keyboard device still in /dev ? i cannot find it. |
| 18:57.53 | \amethyst | jelly-home: what's supposed to happen when you unpack the first package containing a directory but that directory already exists? |
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| 18:58.12 | enouf | c369: just mounting your / somewhere != chroot'ing into that / |
| 18:58.25 | jelly-home | \amethyst: if a directory with that name exists, everything's peachy |
| 18:58.40 | \amethyst | jelly-home: if it exists but doesn't belong to any package yet? |
| 18:58.41 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 18:58.43 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 18:58.46 | c369 | enouf, I see, that makes sense, btw I really appreciate your help |
| 18:58.46 | enouf | my filesystem is littered with dpkg.new files |
| 18:58.57 | enouf | c369: i try ;-) |
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| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | \amethyst: this sounds like a package has marked "/etc/bash_completion.d" as a conffile. Which would be really wrong. |
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| 19:00.47 | row | slaps Dibbler around with a private message |
| 19:00.51 | enouf | c369: the factoid /mag dpkg fixmbr discusses the procedure as well somewhat |
| 19:01.03 | enouf | c369: er the factoid /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 19:01.09 | mhymn | how can i force aptitude to use another downloader (instead of wget) ? |
| 19:01.35 | enouf | curl? |
| 19:01.48 | enouf | set an HTTP_PROXY= ... odd |
| 19:01.51 | cousin_luigi | any recent prediction for lenny final?:) |
| 19:01.52 | enouf | ? |
| 19:02.07 | enouf | cousin_luigi: when the PASTA is done! |
| 19:02.38 | cousin_luigi | enouf: that usually takes no longer than ten minutes |
| 19:02.45 | cousin_luigi | is looking forward to it:) |
| 19:03.16 | enouf | cousin_luigi: ahh ,, yes ... but is the water already boiling and salted and oiled? |
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| 19:03.37 | mhymn | enouf: HTTP_PROXY? you sure it works? btw, wanna use axel instead |
| 19:03.48 | enouf | has a Lady and the Tramp flashback momentarily |
| 19:04.04 | enouf | mhymn: no, twas a wild assed guess |
| 19:04.12 | c369 | chroot is just for the current session, right? it doesn't change anything permanently? |
| 19:04.14 | cousin_luigi | enouf: you oil water??? |
| 19:04.21 | mhymn | okay enouf |
| 19:04.27 | enouf | cousin_luigi: don't speak to me anymore |
| 19:04.38 | dazjorz | jelly-home: I checked the package, conffiles only contains "/etc/bash_completion.d/dpatch_edit_patch" |
| 19:04.42 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:04.50 | dazjorz | so maybe /etc/bash_completion.d should be known in the database first |
| 19:05.36 | enouf | cousin_luigi: as you place the _freshly_made_ pasta into the pot, the pasta grabs the oil that's now floating at the top you ____ |
| 19:06.06 | enouf | thinks cousin_luigi is really Mr Ronzoni |
| 19:06.07 | dazjorz | \amethyst: hmm, okay, installing this package didn't work right |
| 19:06.22 | dazjorz | \amethyst: when trying to install: failed to unlink '//usr/bin.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory |
| 19:06.24 | enouf | c369: er .. |
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| 19:06.34 | enouf | c369: it changes whatEVER is on your / FS |
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| 19:06.40 | \amethyst | dazjorz: yeah, that's why I said fake-install it |
| 19:06.40 | cousin_luigi | enouf: I class that as depraved cookery |
| 19:06.46 | dazjorz | ah, I see |
| 19:06.51 | dazjorz | will do :) |
| 19:06.57 | enouf | c369: i mean chroot'ing into it, does nothing, but once you make a change, it sticks |
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| 19:07.18 | enouf | cousin_luigi: let's have a cookoff! |
| 19:07.21 | cousin_luigi | takes leave since he's installing xp |
| 19:07.28 | enouf | see? |
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| 19:07.48 | enouf | only a stale pasta person would use windows :-P |
| 19:07.51 | \amethyst | dazjorz: as in, put the .list into /var/lib/dpkg/info, and add it to status |
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| 19:08.36 | enouf | c369: ask yourself, what is the purpose for any chroot env? |
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| 19:08.50 | Amar | hello.. where to look to change time from UTC to local and vice versa ? |
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| 19:09.24 | dazjorz | hmm... installing packages takes so long, I wonder what it's doing |
| 19:09.29 | dazjorz | \amethyst: same error, though |
| 19:09.33 | \amethyst | dazjorz: hm |
| 19:09.33 | enouf | Amar: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 19:09.44 | dazjorz | \amethyst: failed to unlink '//etc/bash_completion.d.dpkg-tmp': No such file or directory |
| 19:10.04 | enouf | Amar: if that's what you mean - or .. do you mean within a DE or just plain GUI or .. |
| 19:10.13 | dazjorz | \amethyst: hey... /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpatch.list contains "/etc/bash_completion.d" |
| 19:10.16 | dazjorz | \amethyst: is that normal? |
| 19:10.19 | \amethyst | dazjorz: yes |
| 19:10.32 | dazjorz | okay |
| 19:10.37 | Amar | enouf global time.. its server but its showing +2 hours |
| 19:10.39 | c369 | enouf yeah, right now I don't know how to get /boot into my new root |
| 19:10.46 | \amethyst | dazjorz: because it contains a file in that directory, it has to contain the directory too |
| 19:10.53 | enouf | Amar: /etc/default/rcS as the factoid denotes |
| 19:10.53 | c369 | because /dev/sda1 doesnt exist anymore |
| 19:11.02 | dazjorz | \amethyst: I see.. |
| 19:11.08 | enouf | c369: into? |
| 19:11.08 | \amethyst | dazjorz: just like all packages contain /. |
| 19:11.14 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 19:11.28 | enouf | c369: you mount it at /mnt/boot1 or something |
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| 19:11.58 | c369 | yeah, but unfortunately /dev/sda1 isn't there anymore |
| 19:12.07 | dazjorz | \amethyst: though libcygwin1 is installed, and it contains /etc/bash_completion.d in its list |
| 19:12.11 | winferno_ | hi, I recently installed a minimal Debian distro on my laptop and was looking to edit the lid-close event script, however it's nowhere to be found. I was running Ubuntu before, but I assumed that these scripts were part of Debian / acpid. Can someone tell me where I need to look in order to run pm-suspend on a lid-close event? |
| 19:12.15 | enouf | c369: what? speak not of /dev/sdXX unless you mean you deleted/removed partitions |
| 19:12.20 | Amar | enouf nothing there about UTC/local .. |
| 19:12.22 | enouf | c369: --bind mount /dev |
| 19:12.35 | enouf | c369: the URLs explain all that! |
| 19:12.41 | c369 | kk |
| 19:12.51 | enouf | c369: well the debian-admin.org one does .. easilty |
| 19:13.02 | enouf | Amar: bullshit |
| 19:13.07 | enouf | !set the time |
| 19:13.07 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 19:14.02 | \amethyst | dazjorz: hm, does libcygwin1 list that directory as a conffile? |
| 19:14.11 | dazjorz | let's see |
| 19:14.24 | enouf | !+tell c369 -about msgthebot |
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| 19:14.26 | dpkg | told c369 about msgthebot. |
| 19:14.52 | dazjorz | \amethyst: it contains no conffiles file in the .deb |
| 19:14.53 | enouf | c369: i did that in case you were having trouble finding/seeing the factoids i mentioned .,, only |
| 19:14.57 | c369 | enouf I made a copy of the initrd maybe I can just tell grub to use that one, that might be a lot easier |
| 19:15.16 | dazjorz | \amethyst: control.tar.gz only contains control and debian-binary |
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| 19:15.33 | \amethyst | dazjorz: I wonder if there might be some channel specific to Debian/kCygwin |
| 19:15.39 | enouf | c369: yes, well .. depending upon kernel versions involved - you can feed the kernels various initrds |
| 19:15.47 | dazjorz | \amethyst: I'm the only developer on the project |
| 19:15.49 | dazjorz | as of now |
| 19:15.49 | flower | will pulseaudio be in Debian lenny by default?? |
| 19:15.55 | dazjorz | just started working on it a week ago or so |
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| 19:16.19 | \amethyst | dazjorz: ah :) |
| 19:16.27 | dazjorz | \amethyst: people have tried before me, and failed - only since Cygwin 1.7 can you remove or move a file that's in use, because Windows usually blocks that |
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| 19:16.32 | dazjorz | there are a lot of other obstacles |
| 19:16.40 | enouf | flower: default? it rides on "top of" |
| 19:16.44 | enouf | flower: alsa |
| 19:16.51 | \amethyst | dazjorz: You might have more luck on one of the official channels on oftc.net |
| 19:16.57 | flower | enouf ok but it is there |
| 19:17.06 | dazjorz | \amethyst: this is an unofficial debian channel? :o |
| 19:17.10 | enouf | judd: versions pulseaudio |
| 19:17.11 | judd | enouf: pulseaudio -- etch: 0.9.5-5etch1 etch-security: 0.9.5-5etch1 lenny: 0.9.10-3 sid: 0.9.10-3 experimental: 0.9.13-2 |
| 19:17.21 | enouf | looks like it ;-) |
| 19:17.25 | \amethyst | dazjorz: yup, irc.debian.org now points to oftc, not freenode |
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| 19:17.33 | enouf | that's i386 via default though |
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| 19:17.45 | enouf | judd: versions pulseaudio --arch amd64 |
| 19:17.46 | judd | enouf: pulseaudio -- etch: 0.9.5-5etch1 etch-security: 0.9.5-5etch1 lenny: 0.9.10-3 sid: 0.9.10-3 experimental: 0.9.13-2 |
| 19:17.50 | dazjorz | \amethyst: okay... will try, thanks :) |
| 19:17.58 | flower | enouf: is it just enough to install pulseaudio, or does it require a complex configuration? |
| 19:18.06 | flower | enouf: or just apt-get install ... |
| 19:18.28 | enouf | flower: i haven't yet used it, though i might try it - i want each shell to have it's own volume control |
| 19:18.33 | enouf | yes |
| 19:18.53 | \amethyst | dazjorz: does deboootstrap not work? |
| 19:19.03 | enouf | apt-get install ... your debconf settings and the .postinstall script will determine what happens |
| 19:19.16 | \amethyst | dazjorz: rather than trying to overlay debian on top of a running system |
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| 19:19.53 | winferno_ | flower: I was able to just apt-get it |
| 19:20.01 | enouf | er .{pre,post}inst ? |
| 19:20.06 | dazjorz | \amethyst: debootstrap requires the packages to already exist, I'm porting them, or trying |
| 19:20.13 | flower | winferno_: ok thanks for info |
| 19:20.30 | flower | on Ubuntu there seems to be problems with pulseaudio in the past... |
| 19:20.35 | flower | I don't want this on Debian |
| 19:20.50 | flower | especially not cause I work a lot with music production etc |
| 19:20.53 | enouf | flower: see this http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html |
| 19:21.00 | winferno_ | flower: I had some problems with my specific card, but there were some bugs (M Audio Delta-44) in the autoconfiguration. It worked with my built in audio device without changing anything! |
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| 19:22.06 | enouf | flower: yes, it sucks, and many ubuntu ppl come here trying to fix it, but never say they're using ubuntu - AFAICT, *buntu has no 'alsaconf' though it mighthave a variant-named script |
| 19:22.07 | flower | winferno_: I have also a soundcard with that chip.... mmh and the Delta is a pretty important card in the linux audio world, so we can't have problems with that! |
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| 19:22.47 | flower | Maybe wait till version 1.0 comes out... |
| 19:23.14 | dazjorz | \amethyst: interesting - they told me to (re)move the directory, when I did, I got the same error; it had created the directory, put dpatch_edit_patch.dpkg-new in it, and bailed out again |
| 19:23.18 | enouf | flower: i like the output of lsof /dev/snd/* and lshal | grep linux.device_file | sort (and other /proc/asound stuffs) to help sometimes |
| 19:24.11 | enouf | flower: most issues are about "hey, this app is hogging /dev/dsp ..." or similar .. or .. i can't get 2 cards to work properly |
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| 19:24.35 | flower | enouf: right |
| 19:24.36 | enouf | goes |
| 19:25.16 | \amethyst | dazjorz: hm... is there something weird about hardlinks on cygwin? |
| 19:25.22 | winferno_ | flower: I wouldnt be worried about using your card with Pulse, mine is working great. Here's the link to the bug we were experiencing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/178442 |
| 19:25.50 | dazjorz | \amethyst: AFAIK, they should work fine |
| 19:25.58 | dazjorz | \amethyst: I'll do some testing though |
| 19:26.25 | \amethyst | dazjorz: you're probably going to have to read the dpkg source code at some point I fear |
| 19:26.37 | dazjorz | \amethyst: that's okay, I just need to know what to search for... |
| 19:26.40 | flower | winferno_: is it fixed? |
| 19:26.49 | \amethyst | dazjorz: DPKGTEMPEXT might be one thing |
| 19:26.55 | \amethyst | dazjorz: that's ".dpkg-tmp" |
| 19:27.26 | dazjorz | \amethyst: when trying to create a hard link, I get: ln: accessing 'original_file': No such file or directory |
| 19:27.47 | \amethyst | dazjorz: and the original_file exists? |
| 19:27.56 | dazjorz | \amethyst: yes, I can ln -s it just fine |
| 19:28.03 | dazjorz | oh wait. |
| 19:28.06 | \amethyst | dazjorz: ln -s doesn't care about whether it exists |
| 19:28.11 | \amethyst | ln does |
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| 19:28.25 | dazjorz | nope, seems to work, nevermind |
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| 19:28.42 | flower | here is a good pulseaudio tut http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 19:29.02 | paxcoder | "apt-get install -t experimental <package>" doesn't work for me. help? |
| 19:29.13 | paxcoder | i've pinned it all and updated... |
| 19:29.28 | winferno_ | flower: check out the page. it's marked as confirmed, still active but low priority. seems the workaround is working for people, however. |
| 19:29.59 | flower | a workaround is not good enough... |
| 19:30.22 | \amethyst | dazjorz: are there problems with the rename() syscall/library call maybe? |
| 19:30.29 | flower | Ubuntu seems to did a pretty bad job implementing pulseaudio btw |
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| 19:30.50 | dazjorz | \amethyst: I'll write a test case and let you know |
| 19:30.54 | winferno_ | flower: unless you plan on installing and removing your PCI card often, it's pretty much set and forget (or it was for me). |
| 19:31.19 | \amethyst | dazjorz: it might also be worthwhile to strace or ltrace dpkg and see what syscall/library function is failing exactly |
| 19:31.23 | flower | is there a Debian team who take care of implementing pulseaudio? |
| 19:31.44 | \amethyst | dazjorz: I'm assuming you can get strace and ltrace for cygwin; certainly gdb would work, though it might be a bit more painful |
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| 19:32.00 | winferno_ | flower: there's an IRC channel you could check out |
| 19:32.15 | flower | and that is |
| 19:32.36 | paxcoder | "apt-get install -t experimental <package>" doesn't work for me. help? i've pinned it all and updated... |
| 19:32.37 | dazjorz | \amethyst: just fine |
| 19:32.43 | dazjorz | \amethyst: rename() works just fine. :) |
| 19:32.59 | dazjorz | \amethyst: strace is a Cygwin builtin, actually |
| 19:33.19 | nsadmin | paxcoder: you're better off building the package from source |
| 19:33.31 | dazjorz | \amethyst: I should admit I'm not that experienced with gdb... |
| 19:33.32 | paxcoder | nsadmin: this used to work so far |
| 19:33.45 | paxcoder | did it before, now it just says it's the newest version |
| 19:33.47 | winferno_ | flower: dunno, Google it =) |
| 19:34.17 | nsadmin | how many possible reasons could there be for it to fail? |
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| 19:34.28 | hoarycripple | this is just great! 8 cpu dvdrip cluster. need...more....CPUs! |
| 19:34.31 | Nostahl | what is the package name to get thunderbird? |
| 19:34.34 | nsadmin | infinity is too small :P |
| 19:34.49 | paxcoder | nsadmin: i don't know... mispinned? but i did all according to the wiki for debian |
| 19:34.56 | \amethyst | Nostahl: icedove |
| 19:34.58 | hoarycripple | is besides himself and just had to announce this |
| 19:35.02 | Nostahl | ty |
| 19:35.08 | flower | winferno_: #pulseaudio |
| 19:35.11 | winferno_ | go hoarycripple! I hope each of those 8 cpu's have at least 4 cores each. |
| 19:35.27 | nsadmin | hoarycripple: there are two of you?! |
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| 19:36.16 | hoarycripple | winferno_, all dual core xeons...soon to be upgraded to quad core xeons (once the price comes down a little...or a lot) |
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| 19:36.47 | hoarycripple | nsadmin, two of me? |
| 19:36.55 | hoarycripple | oh i see :) |
| 19:37.15 | paxcoder | "apt-get install -t experimental <package>" doesn't work for me. help? i've pinned it all and updated... |
| 19:37.38 | winferno_ | hoarycripple: let me know when that happens. I have some gene sequencing I need to get done asap. |
| 19:37.53 | hoarycripple | winferno_, haha, no prob i'll still be here :) |
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| 19:38.50 | jice | hi |
| 19:39.45 | jice | i'm searching how to use apt-get install to relocate a package and its dependancies (like dpkg --instdir). Any hint? |
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| 19:40.22 | jice | that is, install a package and its deps into /opt instead of / (for example) |
| 19:40.24 | paxcoder | nsadmin: oh, and it offers me to install updates from unstable repo, which i don't want |
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| 19:41.07 | winferno_ | I have boot time on my Acer Aspire One down to 28 seconds (from power button to xdm login) and I'm feeling pretty happy about that. Minimal Lenny install w/X.org and custom 2.6.28 kernel. |
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| 19:42.45 | chris081 | hi. is it safe: changing (20%) freespace of my hd to ext3. fullfilling the 20% with data that cames from the 80% of the hd (making -20% of the 80%, so 60% over 80%), converting another 20% and so on? |
| 19:42.57 | winferno_ | Okay, maybe I should have announced that in #onelinux, heh. |
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| 19:43.17 | frostschutz | winferno_: hmmm, 52 seconds here, but it boots from USB and I have to enter my hdd encryption password first ;) |
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| 19:43.59 | winferno_ | frostschutz: Is this on an AAO netbook also? |
| 19:44.34 | frostschutz | winferno_: no, msi wind u100, running lenny |
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| 19:46.40 | winferno_ | frostschutz: cool. yeah I'm really happy with this little machine. I had ubuntu on it but it was too bloated and gnome made X sluggish. Now I'm using fluxbox and I'm really liking it's keystroke configuration. |
| 19:47.07 | theholyduck | winferno_, i run flux on my quadcore desktop with 4gb of ram |
| 19:47.08 | theholyduck | :D |
| 19:47.16 | idimmu | winferno_: what hardware is it?! |
| 19:47.19 | frostschutz | winferno_: same here :) (i use fluxbox also on the desktop) |
| 19:47.30 | MatBoy | does someone know about a bash script that can change the hostname totally @ once on a debian install ? |
| 19:47.52 | idimmu | echo mypc > /etc/hostname && reboot |
| 19:47.58 | theholyduck | ;) |
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| 19:48.09 | theholyduck | idimmu, as root! |
| 19:48.13 | winferno_ | idimmu: Acer Aspire One. 1GB ram and 16GB solid state disk |
| 19:48.24 | theholyduck | winferno_, you got the powerfull one eh |
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| 19:48.30 | theholyduck | has the 512mb one |
| 19:48.36 | idimmu | definitely as root! |
| 19:48.38 | frostschutz | winferno_: AAO has the better keyboard too... but a glare display? |
| 19:48.45 | idimmu | winferno_: nice, yeah i wouldnt want the entire of ubuntu on that thing :) |
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| 19:48.54 | MatBoy | idimmu: only that ? |
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| 19:49.01 | theholyduck | idimmu, well its still better than running suse on it |
| 19:49.01 | idimmu | MatBoy: pretty much |
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| 19:49.08 | theholyduck | suse is even slower than ubuntu |
| 19:49.10 | theholyduck | wich is pretty amazing |
| 19:49.14 | theholyduck | when you consider how slow ubuntu is |
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| 19:49.16 | winferno_ | haha |
| 19:49.41 | MatBoy | idimmu: and /etc/hosts than ? |
| 19:49.59 | maligor | theholyduck, I suppose you use flux to stop the desktop from eating away your 'free' memory |
| 19:50.06 | theholyduck | maligor, naw |
| 19:50.10 | theholyduck | i use flux because its pretty |
| 19:50.12 | maligor | cause on my 4gb system I have 1.5GB of FREE memory |
| 19:50.14 | theholyduck | with configurable menus |
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| 19:50.22 | theholyduck | and what not |
| 19:50.23 | maligor | the caches take another 1.5 :P |
| 19:50.31 | theholyduck | the fact that im only using 200mb of memory at most |
| 19:50.35 | theholyduck | and the rest is used for cache |
| 19:50.38 | theholyduck | is another bonus |
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| 19:51.03 | idimmu | MatBoy: yeah /etc/hosts would be a good idea too |
| 19:51.14 | winferno_ | theholyduck: do you have any good resources for fluxbox or recommendations? |
| 19:51.32 | theholyduck | winferno_, the manuals? |
| 19:51.35 | theholyduck | and common sense |
| 19:51.43 | MatBoy | idimmu: I want to clreate a bash script for all these files that they are changed @once |
| 19:51.46 | theholyduck | thats how i setup mine |
| 19:51.50 | MatBoy | saves time :D |
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| 19:51.54 | idimmu | MatBoy: you could always do grep -r $currenthostname /etc/ |
| 19:52.05 | idimmu | to see what files have your hostname in it |
| 19:52.21 | winferno_ | theholyduck: yes yes.. I have some of both. I meant tricks that you use to make it work for you. I usually use devilspie to get conky and an aterm going, thats mostly it. |
| 19:52.28 | idimmu | but pretty much hosts and hostname are the 2 distro specific files |
| 19:52.40 | theholyduck | winferno_, meh |
| 19:52.47 | theholyduck | conky is for sissies |
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| 19:52.54 | theholyduck | and urxvt>* |
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| 19:53.23 | theholyduck | the ability to do perl scripting for the terminal. and diffrent fonts for diffrent encodings, etc,etc |
| 19:53.40 | theholyduck | is completely necesary on a system that has files in 3 types of languages |
| 19:53.42 | theholyduck | and writing systems |
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| 19:54.04 | theholyduck | not to mention urxvt does psudo-transparency aswell |
| 19:54.48 | theholyduck | winferno_, http://theholyduck.com/images/freedom1.jpg |
| 19:55.00 | wiza | ok, I was trying to upgrade xen domU from sarge to etch, and hit a bit of a problem... |
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| 19:55.50 | winferno_ | theholyduck: aterm does fake transparency, and I do all my editing in emacs. nice SS btw. |
| 19:56.00 | maligor | yeah, rxvt is pretty decent a terminal |
| 19:56.07 | maligor | if you want small memory footprint |
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| 19:56.27 | winferno_ | theholyduck: what do you use to grab the SS? |
| 19:56.40 | theholyduck | winferno_, scrot :p |
| 19:56.51 | theholyduck | maligor, well urxvt for unicode |
| 19:56.56 | theholyduck | and multiple fontsupport |
| 19:57.23 | theholyduck | winferno_, well how does aterm make emacs more usable as compared to urxvt? |
| 19:57.58 | winferno_ | theholyduck: I wouldn't know, I don't use urxvt. |
| 19:58.26 | upIRC | theholyduck: what anime is that? |
| 19:58.36 | theholyduck | upIRC, freedom ova project |
| 19:58.44 | wiza | aptitude -s dist-upgrade says: |
| 19:58.46 | wiza | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 19:58.48 | upIRC | looks good |
| 19:58.49 | wiza | E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed |
| 19:58.55 | theholyduck | upIRC, its better in HD |
| 19:59.01 | wiza | and no matter how many -v I put there, it doesn't tell me anything more |
| 19:59.26 | wiza | which is kinda depressing when you're working on upgrading servers on your day of :) |
| 19:59.26 | theholyduck | upIRC, artwork by the guy who did akira, animation by the guys who did steamboy. |
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| 19:59.32 | theholyduck | direction by some indie guy |
| 19:59.43 | upIRC | looks amazing |
| 19:59.43 | theholyduck | all as a 7 episode cup ramen comercial |
| 19:59.51 | enouf | flower: if you would like to further the implementation of pulseaudio, perhaps you can contribute to their dev team, in some way |
| 19:59.54 | theholyduck | seriously. its the most awesome comercial ever |
| 20:00.12 | theholyduck | great art, great story, fun characters, the works |
| 20:00.34 | flower | enouf: I 'm just thinking what kind of advantage pulseaudio has for a music production desktop... |
| 20:00.40 | theholyduck | flower, it doesnt |
| 20:00.45 | theholyduck | you use jac |
| 20:00.46 | enouf | flower: none |
| 20:00.47 | theholyduck | *jack |
| 20:00.49 | enouf | jack |
| 20:00.53 | flower | ok I know |
| 20:01.04 | theholyduck | you use jack for anything professional |
| 20:01.10 | theholyduck | pulseaudio is useless |
| 20:01.12 | theholyduck | at EVERYTHING |
| 20:01.19 | flower | but does pulseaudio make things easier or more complicated |
| 20:01.23 | MatBoy | idimmu: and save that grep as a variable ? |
| 20:01.26 | enouf | flower: did you even bother to review the URL i passed you about linux sound APIs? |
| 20:01.28 | theholyduck | flower, it makes stuff more prone to break |
| 20:01.30 | hark | wiza: read the release notes |
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| 20:01.38 | theholyduck | flower, soo no |
| 20:01.42 | theholyduck | THEORETICALLY its simpler |
| 20:01.47 | theholyduck | but put into the real world |
| 20:01.57 | enouf | flower: easier == dumbed down in so many worlds == wondows ;-) |
| 20:02.04 | flower | they 'tried to clean the linux audio mess'... |
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| 20:02.10 | theholyduck | flower, meh |
| 20:02.14 | wiza | hark: I did read the documentation of how to upgrade from sarge to etch, just that it didn't actually work |
| 20:02.14 | theholyduck | they just made it more unusable |
| 20:02.16 | theholyduck | and shittier |
| 20:02.18 | enouf | flower: use OSS4 and tell us how it goes |
| 20:02.37 | flower | theholyduck: why are you so sure about its bad? |
| 20:02.55 | theholyduck | used it |
| 20:02.56 | theholyduck | also. |
| 20:02.59 | theholyduck | every distro that DID add it |
| 20:03.03 | theholyduck | to its main setup |
| 20:03.03 | frostschutz | oss4 worked fine for me if not for the clicking noise |
| 20:03.08 | theholyduck | got all the poorer |
| 20:03.17 | flower | look I want to build a custom linux music production distro.... |
| 20:03.19 | theholyduck | and the easiest way to fix audio problems |
| 20:03.22 | theholyduck | flower, jac |
| 20:03.24 | theholyduck | *jack |
| 20:03.25 | idimmu | matboy do you have hundreds of servers to rename then? |
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| 20:03.28 | theholyduck | jack is what you want |
| 20:03.31 | theholyduck | its much more stable |
| 20:03.33 | theholyduck | much more usable |
| 20:03.36 | theholyduck | much more featured |
| 20:03.44 | theholyduck | and generally just better in every concivable way |
| 20:03.44 | winferno_ | theholyduck: would you mind using less <CR>s as punctuation? |
| 20:03.53 | theholyduck | winferno_, i COULD :P |
| 20:03.57 | BlueG_ | I was just wondering why Debian isn't on the GNU list of free GNU/Linux distros and if anything is being done about it? |
| 20:03.58 | flower | I know, but with Jack you use also ALSA... so you can use pulseaudio next to JACK |
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| 20:04.11 | winferno_ | theholyduck: =) |
| 20:04.14 | enouf | theholyduck: stop - he's already said he doesn't really care (or is not into) about Music and production, much earlier |
| 20:04.15 | theholyduck | flower, that would be pointless |
| 20:04.42 | flower | theholyduck: not at all.... that's was there idea |
| 20:04.50 | enouf | flower: ALSA is in the kernel == BIG ++ |
| 20:04.58 | flower | pulseaudio for Desktop, JACK for pro |
| 20:05.05 | theholyduck | why not just do |
| 20:05.08 | theholyduck | jack for pro |
| 20:05.11 | theholyduck | alsa for desktop? |
| 20:05.17 | theholyduck | pulse still uses alsa |
| 20:05.24 | theholyduck | and adds more complexity and uselessness |
| 20:05.27 | flower | why did they fix that situation... |
| 20:05.29 | theholyduck | and not much supports it anyway |
| 20:05.39 | frostschutz | alsa actually works great if you beat it long enough with a stick |
| 20:05.57 | rjent_ | Greetings, I am attempting to start a ruby script with start-stop-daemon and when I do it believes I have changed names since it picks up the cmd from the #! . How do I correct this? |
| 20:05.58 | enouf | think about taking out his long stick .. |
| 20:06.04 | theholyduck | flower, microsoft says they make a great os. but we know better than to believe them |
| 20:06.08 | theholyduck | same goes for pulse |
| 20:06.17 | theholyduck | the pulse people CLAIM they are solving problems |
| 20:06.19 | flower | I like Windows |
| 20:06.21 | enouf | otherwise known as .. a cane O_o ( stoned and gramps reference) |
| 20:06.25 | theholyduck | but in reality they arent |
| 20:06.29 | hark | wiza: you did an upgrade first? |
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| 20:06.40 | wiza | hark: yes |
| 20:07.11 | MikeH | Anyone have any idea why a drive that mounts as ntfs under linux (it is formatted as such) isn't recognised as ntfs under windows |
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| 20:07.41 | enouf | rjent_: what does the #! have directly after it? |
| 20:08.16 | rjent_ | enouf: #!/usr/bin/ruby |
| 20:08.25 | enouf | MikeH: is it recognized at all under windows? if so, what? vfat? |
| 20:08.43 | hark | wiza: maybe try an aptitude install aptitude or pastebin the whole output here |
| 20:08.48 | MikeH | enouf: windows see's the partition in disk manager, but there is no FS listed |
| 20:08.49 | rjent_ | enouf: but my script from init.d is /usr/bin/progname |
| 20:08.51 | enouf | rjent_: so what do you think occurs? |
| 20:08.57 | enouf | gah |
| 20:09.14 | MatBoy | idimmu: no, cloneservers :) |
| 20:09.21 | MatBoy | want to keep it easy |
| 20:09.32 | enouf | MikeH: perhaps it was made into a windows "dynamic volume" ? just a guess |
| 20:09.48 | enouf | MikeH: oh wait .. erm.. |
| 20:10.00 | idimmu | how fresh are the installs of the servers you are cloning? |
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| 20:10.09 | rgr | I just made a booboo connecting via ssh to my mailserver as root. I can still connect in from desktop to my laptop to my mailserver. So I guess its blocked my desktop IP address. How can I re-enable it? |
| 20:10.17 | enouf | MikeH: maybe it's ext2/3 and needs the extIFS windows driver? |
| 20:10.19 | wiza | hark: http://pastebin.com/m5ae30d54 |
| 20:10.30 | enouf | MikeH: gah .. nm |
| 20:10.36 | MikeH | enouf: it's mounted under linux as ntfs though |
| 20:10.44 | idimmu | MatBoy: pxebooting a netinstall and using preseeding is probably the easiest ! |
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| 20:11.01 | enouf | MikeH: i see ... noted ;-) can/do you use ntfs-3g ? |
| 20:11.17 | rjent_ | enouf: when I launch /usr/bin/progname the program run as /usr/bin/ruby progname |
| 20:11.28 | MikeH | enouf: I do use ntfs-3g, yes. |
| 20:11.29 | enouf | MikeH: perhaps you want to run a chkdsk /f or /r on the partition -- see ##windows |
| 20:11.43 | rjent_ | but I have +x on /usr/bin/progname and I wanted to call with DAEMON=/usr/bin/progname |
| 20:12.09 | MatBoy | idimmu: VERY fresh ! justa new install that has a server-clone name and a DHCP setup where I alreayd made the changements in the interfaces file with # for static settings |
| 20:12.17 | enouf | rjent_: did you use /etc/init.d/skeleton to create your init.d script? |
| 20:12.22 | idimmu | MatBoy: in that case then it will *just* be /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 20:12.37 | enouf | rjent_: as a template |
| 20:13.02 | rjent_ | enouf: no I used dh_make default |
| 20:13.03 | idimmu | and not really worth scripting unless you spend all day everyday cloning servers? |
| 20:13.20 | rjent_ | enouf: maybe those are the same |
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| 20:13.33 | idimmu | matdev : sed -i s/oldhostname/newhostname/g /etc/hosts /etc/hostname && reboot |
| 20:13.34 | idimmu | er |
| 20:13.39 | idimmu | matboy : sed -i s/oldhostname/newhostname/g /etc/hosts /etc/hostname && reboot |
| 20:13.42 | idimmu | thatll do you |
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| 20:14.04 | rjent_ | enouf: I checked similar but not the same |
| 20:14.21 | idimmu | (as root of course) |
| 20:14.24 | rjent_ | enouf: I can post the script if that would help |
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| 20:14.51 | enouf | rjent_: i know nothing about ruby nor am i a programmer .. but sure, pastebin it |
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| 20:15.23 | enouf | rjent_: ls -l /usr/bin/progname |
| 20:15.55 | rjent_ | enouf: no I need help with start-stop-daemon not picking up the shebang as the DAEMON |
| 20:16.11 | enouf | rjent_: i haven't yet implemented anything with stop-start-daemon though |
| 20:16.14 | rjent_ | the program runs as I want I am just trying to make a /etc/init.d/program |
| 20:16.27 | rjent_ | ok |
| 20:16.43 | enouf | rjent_: wait .. does it run if you call the script once booted? |
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| 20:17.14 | enouf | rjent_: what about if you use invoke-rc.d to call it? |
| 20:17.41 | enouf | rjent_: you need symlinks to the various runlevels ... that point to init.d/ |
| 20:17.45 | rjent_ | enouf: well I am working on getting the package in to debian and it needs to work with /etc/init.d/progname |
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| 20:18.02 | enouf | !tell rjent_ -about runlevels |
| 20:18.24 | enouf | rjent_: i hope i'm not misunderstanding |
| 20:18.25 | \amethyst | rjent_: as I understand it, if you are calling an interpreter rather than a binary with start-stop-daemon, you should not use --name but instead use a pidfile |
| 20:19.23 | \amethyst | rjent_: since --name looks in /proc/<pid>/stat and, even if you used exec -a to lie about argv[0], the interpreter's name will still show up in /proc/<pid>/stat |
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| 20:20.06 | enouf | hands \amethyst a cup of homeade soup ;-) |
| 20:20.09 | wiza | hark: any idea? |
| 20:21.33 | \amethyst | rjent_: you might look at bittorrent's init.d script, since it uses start-stop-daemon to manage a python script |
| 20:22.16 | \amethyst | rjent_: (and uses --pidfile foo --make-pidfile rather than --name) |
| 20:23.00 | \amethyst | rjent_: also, you might find more help in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:23.49 | enouf | rjent_: sorry my help sucked ... |
| 20:24.01 | rjent_ | enouf: no worries |
| 20:24.14 | rjent_ | all who are willing to help bring something to the discussion |
| 20:24.28 | winferno_ | Is there a common non-gui userspace program to manage wireless (802.11) connections? Like network-manager but with a console interface. |
| 20:24.34 | enouf | bah . i just completely failed to see the real issue |
| 20:24.36 | joepa | anyone know of an app in Debian that will convert pdf to rtf (or doc)? |
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| 20:25.10 | enouf | winferno_: does wicd apply? not sure |
| 20:25.22 | enouf | there's another one too |
| 20:25.33 | enouf | no wait .. that's gui |
| 20:25.51 | enouf | (the "another" one ..errr) |
| 20:26.04 | winferno_ | enouf: oh.. let me look in to wicd then. |
| 20:26.32 | enouf | winferno_: or use the wireless-tools pkg tools? iw* |
| 20:26.34 | enouf | ? |
| 20:26.52 | enouf | winferno_: then you have the wpasupplicant pkg |
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| 20:27.15 | enouf | iwconfig, iwlist, iwscan ,etc |
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| 20:28.31 | winferno_ | enouf: I'm most familiar with the iw* tools, so I was considering just writing some scripts to get the job done (the job being mainly to autojoin open networks, save profiles, etc) |
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| 20:28.51 | icebrew54 | joepa: try openoffice |
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| 20:29.27 | winferno_ | enouf: thanks though, what you gave me are things I can look in to. =) |
| 20:29.28 | enouf | winferno_: i thought perhaps "/msg dpkg interfaces" explains how to do all that ... mostly |
| 20:29.36 | enouf | winferno_: cool |
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| 20:30.20 | stoned | !ping |
| 20:30.21 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:30.40 | enouf | !spank stoned wth grampa's cane |
| 20:30.41 | dpkg | bends stoned wth grampa's cane over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 20:33.08 | MatBoy | idimmu: ok, thanks !! sorry, I hade a phonecall too :D |
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| 20:34.13 | MatBoy | idimmu: OK, I'm going to figure out something like it for the ipaddress,subnetmask and so on too :) |
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| 20:37.17 | antn | Hello. Just a silly question. Can different daemons (ftpd, apache, ...) share the same RSA certificate? |
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| 20:37.24 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 20:37.26 | antn | as far as the Common Name is the same, of course |
| 20:38.26 | eptalon | Looking for two things: 1) an app that aloows me to plug many images together into a panorama; 2) an app (X11) that allows me to make zip files easily.. |
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| 20:39.31 | antn | hugin / zip (no x11, but it's easy) |
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| 20:40.01 | eptalon | antn: hugin as one of odins ravens? |
| 20:40.12 | antn | odins ravens? |
| 20:40.39 | eptalon | antn: Odins (Norse god) had two raven; called hugin and munin, iirc. |
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| 20:41.08 | antn | ah! I don't know :) maybe |
| 20:42.47 | MikeH | Are there any known issues with ntfs-3g and vista? |
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| 20:52.55 | sergiu\1 | hi |
| 20:53.12 | sergiu\1 | what kernel version is in 4.0r6 release ?) |
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| 20:53.52 | sergiu\1 | i tried to install this release, but debian could not detect my eth0 |
| 20:54.06 | sergiu\1 | i use atheras L1 gigabyte Etherne |
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| 20:56.04 | sergiu\1 | *eth0 interface |
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| 20:57.53 | superfirelord42 | sergiu\1, you can try to check the config file for the kernel.. if i recall, the config is stored in most running kernels... |
| 20:58.25 | superfirelord42 | see if the interface is compiled in... |
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| 20:58.37 | superfirelord42 | *driver |
| 20:58.37 | antn | sorry if I ask again. Is it ok for different daemons on the same server to share the same RSA certificates? |
| 20:59.46 | sergiu\1 | superfirelord42 i just asked for version to known what driver to download to try to compile it :D |
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| 21:00.20 | superfirelord42 | ack, misread the above... sry |
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| 21:01.34 | superfirelord42 | sergiu\1, atheros? |
| 21:01.37 | sergiu\1 | i have read that this driver is included in new kernels |
| 21:01.45 | sergiu\1 | Yes. |
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| 21:03.30 | sergiu\1 | i will try to see if this driver is available in debian 4.0rc6 |
| 21:04.23 | sergiu\1 | :D |
| 21:04.50 | sergiu\1 | i have drivers for it, but only for windows.. |
| 21:04.51 | superfirelord42 | sergiu\1, worst comes to worse, you can compile a newer version of the kernel locally. XD |
| 21:07.08 | simonrvn | antn: only if they share the same FQDN presented to the client. |
| 21:07.22 | simonrvn | or you have some wildcards |
| 21:07.30 | antn | ok, what I wanted to hear |
| 21:07.32 | antn | thank you |
| 21:07.39 | simonrvn | np |
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| 21:09.03 | simonrvn | wildcard cert is more what people call money from 3rd party cas, cacert.org probably have same "price" |
| 21:09.18 | jelly-home | sergiu\1: have you tried the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel? |
| 21:10.51 | antn | simonrvn: I don't get the point... |
| 21:11.05 | antn | wildcard certs are too expensive? what's up with cacerts.org? |
| 21:11.13 | simonrvn | i'm just rambling, just ignore it |
| 21:11.17 | sergiu\1 | jelly-home, etchnhalf <- what is this? |
| 21:11.22 | sergiu\1 | :) |
| 21:11.26 | simonrvn | no, they're usually more $$ |
| 21:11.42 | simonrvn | not "too expensive" |
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| 21:12.00 | simonrvn | cacert.org is like a "FOSS" CA. |
| 21:12.23 | antn | and is it recognized by default by browsers? |
| 21:12.33 | sergiu\1 | jelly-home, nope |
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| 21:13.00 | simonrvn | they're working on it, if they aren't. i doubt ie will ever included them in their built-in security tokens |
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| 21:13.46 | dgodfather | i have a crashing issue with firestarter, i know it's not the topic of the channel but i can't find solutions on the net, and probably someone here uses it and faced the problem |
| 21:14.00 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 21:14.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 21:14.04 | dgodfather | i saw some postings on the net designating the problem but not the solution |
| 21:14.08 | simonrvn | tried there yet? |
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| 21:14.27 | sergiu\1 | jelly-home, you mean, to install debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso and then debian-update-4.0r6-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 21:14.28 | dgodfather | simonrvn, ammmmm nope |
| 21:14.32 | dgodfather | i am going to look there |
| 21:14.35 | dgodfather | 10x |
| 21:14.48 | simonrvn | do before someone else in here LARTs you ;) |
| 21:14.58 | dgodfather | :) |
| 21:15.17 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 21:15.27 | c369 | simonrvn, enouf: btw my system boots again, thanks for your help earlier |
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| 21:15.49 | Macjust | hello , in the file /etc/security/limits.conf the limit of size of user (like edquota) is core, data or memlock ? |
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| 21:16.06 | simonrvn | c369: \o/ |
| 21:16.39 | superfirelord42 | simonrvn, LARTs? |
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| 21:19.23 | jason_____ | how do I set ulimit -n for a user? |
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| 21:20.15 | heruan | do anyone know if it's possibile to install debian on a routerboard 433ah? |
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| 21:21.10 | dgodfather | simonrvn, are all the bug sites different? |
| 21:21.21 | dgodfather | may something be in one but not in the other? |
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| 21:21.56 | dgodfather | simonrvn, anyway, i haven't found solution to my bug there |
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| 21:24.22 | dgodfather | firestarter gets stuck and asks for force closing when trying to extend the active connections list |
| 21:24.30 | dgodfather | does anyone know the solution to the problem? |
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| 21:25.22 | sergiu\1 | is debian-update-4.0r6-i386-CD-1.iso an destribution or set of update packages? |
| 21:25.42 | sergiu\1 | gg |
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| 21:27.04 | salud | anybody have some link to HOW-TO install flashplugin for iceweasel ;> i put flashplugin.so at /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins and i still dont have flash animations at sites and youtube :/ |
| 21:27.07 | salud | any sugesstions ? |
| 21:27.58 | jberg | hey i fucked up grub and mbr by installing windows so i tried booting with debian installation cd and hit rescue mode. however it seemed like it was going to install a fresh new installation.. after i hit rescue mode, should i come to a rescue shell or start installing shit again or what? |
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| 21:28.52 | superfirelord42 | jberg, is there still a debian partition on that hard disk? |
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| 21:29.16 | nurulwai | Hey, why the hell does apt want to install exim4 and other mail related crap when I want to install smartmontools? |
| 21:29.40 | Guerin | nurulwai: you need a mta |
| 21:29.48 | nurulwai | Why? |
| 21:29.53 | nurulwai | I just want to find out what's up with the disks |
| 21:29.56 | nurulwai | Not send emails to them |
| 21:30.05 | Guerin | nurulwai: because many things need one for proper function. Such as for cron. |
| 21:30.31 | Guerin | nurulwai: and smartmontools will email you to tell you if there's anything wrong. If you don't want exim4, install nullmailer |
| 21:30.55 | batcoder-7 | Still never got a good FTP client |
| 21:31.14 | Guerin | batcoder-7: lftp |
| 21:31.28 | nurulwai | So there's nothing like a --just-install-what-i-tell-you-to option? |
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| 21:31.31 | batcoder-7 | how does that work |
| 21:31.47 | batcoder-7 | Guerin, i really need a good way to edit and reupload things |
| 21:31.51 | superfirelord42 | batcoder-7, you can use the command line ftp :P |
| 21:31.52 | Guerin | nurulwai: it is just installing what you tell it to. Including dependencies which are needed for it to function. |
| 21:32.07 | mhymn | nurulwai: you might probably want to install it without recommends |
| 21:32.14 | nurulwai | mhymn: Please continue |
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| 21:32.29 | batcoder-7 | superfirelord42, I would like way to edit files without downloading editing and re uploading |
| 21:32.31 | funyun | is there an app that can join 2 audio files into one? |
| 21:32.31 | mhymn | nurulwai: man aptiutde :) |
| 21:32.37 | nurulwai | Bah, you're no fun. |
| 21:32.38 | batcoder-7 | does ;ftp allow me to edit files? |
| 21:32.39 | mhymn | aptitude* |
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| 21:33.17 | superfirelord42 | batcoder-7, i didnt think ftp lets you do that... :/ I know some people use filezilla for ftp... |
| 21:33.27 | batcoder-7 | that is what i am using now |
| 21:33.30 | batcoder-7 | its bad really bad |
| 21:33.51 | batcoder-7 | WinSCP has to be the best ftp / ssh client ever |
| 21:33.53 | superfirelord42 | and under features it says remote file editing, so i guess it is possible |
| 21:34.04 | funyun | does anyone know of a linux appliction that can join 2 mp3's into one? |
| 21:34.06 | jelly-home | sergiu\1: no, since you already have debian installed, just install a 2.6.24 kernel. |
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| 21:34.40 | nurulwai | Guerin: There is such an option, it is just worded differently. |
| 21:34.44 | nurulwai | "--no-install-recommends" |
| 21:34.46 | nurulwai | mhymn: thanks. |
| 21:34.48 | Guerin | nurulwai: not really. |
| 21:35.12 | jelly-home | sergiu\1: that'd be package linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 21:35.14 | nurulwai | Well it evidently functions without emailing my disk to ask it about the weather down there |
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| 21:36.03 | Guerin | nurulwai: it doesn't email your disk. It emails you to tell you when your disk fails. If you don't want to know, i'm puzzled as to why you're installing it ITFP. |
| 21:36.10 | funyun | does anyone know of a linux appliction that can join 2 mp3's into one? |
| 21:36.14 | sergiu\1 | jelly-home i am downloading etchnhalf |
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| 21:36.17 | sergiu\1 | :) |
| 21:36.33 | superfirelord42 | funyun, i guess you can try to put them together in audacity? |
| 21:36.38 | Macjust | hello is it possible iptables deny connect of postfix with mysql with 127.0.0.1 ip ? |
| 21:36.57 | sergiu\1 | it seems he support the driver for atheros L1 gigabite ethernet |
| 21:37.00 | sergiu\1 | :D |
| 21:37.06 | justdebian | salud: Try the instructions on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/#section-3 |
| 21:37.15 | funyun | superfirelord42: okay, thank you. |
| 21:37.18 | Guerin | Macjust: yes and no. Do you only want to deny postfix, or do you want to deny everything from that ip on that port? |
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| 21:37.53 | superfirelord42 | funyun, there may be a better way, thats just the only one i know of... i dont do tons of audio |
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| 21:38.13 | nurulwai | Ah well, I got it without the extra crap so I'm happy. cheers |
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| 21:38.24 | Macjust | my policy is Deny |
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| 21:38.32 | Guerin | Macjust: #iptables |
| 21:38.40 | Macjust | ok thansk |
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| 21:39.42 | salud | justdebian: i will check |
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| 21:43.23 | jberg | if my windows partition is on hd0 and debian is on hd1, do i do grub-install (hd0) or (hd1) ? |
| 21:43.56 | jberg | or do i have to do it multiple times one for each operating system to install? |
| 21:44.51 | jberg | hmm, /dev/hda and /dev/hda1 maybe |
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| 21:45.37 | salud | justlinux: doesnt work for me :/ aww i will update distro and check it again after it |
| 21:45.51 | salud | justdebian: *sry :P |
| 21:45.54 | Gnutoo | hello, I am trying to debug something that use apt-get and I'm looking for the place where apt-get update store its results(the files that it downloads) |
| 21:46.16 | superfirelord42 | jberg, hd0 because thats where your bootloader will check first.... unless you change the disk order in the bios |
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| 21:46.33 | superfirelord42 | *bios will check first |
| 21:46.37 | justdebian | salud: you cannot just put the *.so file in the plug-ins directory. You have to use the installer that is packaged with it. |
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| 21:47.13 | salud | with installer it still doesnt work :P so i try do it step by step myself :p |
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| 21:47.38 | isbear | Gnutoo: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:47.52 | Gnutoo | isbear, thanks a lot |
| 21:48.07 | justdebian | salud: did you try the *.deb file then dpkg? |
| 21:48.07 | jberg | superfirelord42, okay. but it will figure out that windows is on hd0 and linux on hd1? maybe is should say /dev/hda and /dev/hda1 because hd0 was only used as an example with GRUB hurd and /dev/hda for GRUB linux |
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| 21:48.46 | superfirelord42 | jberg, honestly, you should do it from the grub command line |
| 21:49.04 | salud | no only from archiwe and from repo :P |
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| 21:49.18 | superfirelord42 | jberg, that way you can make sure that it knows to do (hd0) and not (hd0,0), which would hit your windows |
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| 21:50.10 | superfirelord42 | jberg, it also may not exactly pick up your config files. you will need to set that up and you may need to add an entry for your windows.. |
| 21:50.12 | geaaru | hi, it is possible disable check for update of a package ? Because i recompiled a package and apply patch but when i try to call apt-get upgrade |
| 21:50.26 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 21:50.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Notice that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (ie Update Manager and Synaptic). Always hold back packages using 'dpkg' to make sure! |
| 21:50.48 | geaaru | apt-get try to update recompiled package |
| 21:51.00 | jberg | superfirelord42, hmm.. complicated.. i hope theres man packages for grub in the rescue shell |
| 21:51.11 | justdebian | salud: are you running Debian or Ubantu? |
| 21:51.12 | superfirelord42 | jberg, actually, its not that bad... |
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| 21:51.26 | superfirelord42 | you just want to put it in the first hd right? |
| 21:51.28 | BCM43 | why does gcc have no man page? |
| 21:51.42 | \amethyst | BCM43: because the manpage is not DFSG-free |
| 21:51.49 | salud | Debian ETCH |
| 21:52.03 | salud | now i upgrade it to lenny |
| 21:52.07 | superfirelord42 | jberg, do you know which partition is your debian root partition? |
| 21:52.17 | BCM43 | \amethyst: what does that mean? |
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| 21:52.35 | salud | and then i wil try repo and if it doesnt work, next step will be hand install d+ |
| 21:52.52 | \amethyst | BCM43: it means you have to add contrib and non-free to your sources and then install the gcc-doc package |
| 21:53.00 | geaaru | thank you very much for support (with dpkg --set-selections works fine) |
| 21:53.14 | BCM43 | \amethyst: a non-free man page? |
| 21:53.23 | BCM43 | \amethyst: oh well, thanks |
| 21:53.40 | salud | justdebian: idk why it doesnt work D+ i install flash an mandriva D: gnetoo arch D: but at debian it doesnt work for me ;] btw ;] its not my pc, but my firend, and he was trying to install flash before me ;] |
| 21:53.41 | \amethyst | BCM43: Debian considers the GFDL to be non-free if there are any invariant sections or cover texts |
| 21:53.43 | jberg | superfirelord42, im not sure.. cant remember its been so long. but i looked at windows "partition table" and my linux partition is on hardisk 0 partition 1, while windows is hardisk 0 partition 0. so that means /dev/hda1? |
| 21:53.50 | justdebian | salud: I installed flash for iceweasle on Etch without any problems. The tarball came with 2 parts: the *.so file and the installer file. I followed the instructions on the page I gave you and it just worked. Can't offer much more than that. |
| 21:54.12 | \amethyst | BCM43: because the license prevents you from changing or removing those parts of the document and redistributing it |
| 21:54.15 | superfirelord42 | jberg, actually, you are really going to mix it up if you do (hd1) then... do you know where your linux swap is? |
| 21:54.26 | BCM43 | \amethyst: ok, I get it. Thanks |
| 21:54.33 | jberg | thats the last partition |
| 21:54.45 | salud | i know D: its simple like KISS D: but its dont work at my machine XD |
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| 21:54.57 | jberg | btw, is the numbering /dev/hda /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda /dev/hda2 ? |
| 21:55.01 | superfirelord42 | jberg, ok, just to confirm, you have 3 partitions, first is windows, second is linux, thiird is swap |
| 21:55.10 | jberg | superfirelord42, yes |
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| 21:55.26 | superfirelord42 | jberg, but your numbering doesnt make sense then, swap would be /dev/hda3 |
| 21:55.49 | jberg | ah yes. /dev/hda is the entire disk, while /dev/hda1 is windows partition? |
| 21:56.01 | superfirelord42 | jberg, yup.. |
| 21:56.05 | jberg | right.. |
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| 21:56.26 | jberg | so, do i do grub-install /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2? |
| 21:56.29 | salud | justdebian: can you search in about:config smth about that plugin ;> |
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| 21:56.37 | superfirelord42 | jberg, neither... |
| 21:56.45 | jberg | damnit |
| 21:56.48 | superfirelord42 | jberg, just run grub and we are going to enter the commands into grub directly |
| 21:57.19 | superfirelord42 | jberg, when you run grub, in the prompt do the following.... |
| 21:57.20 | justdebian | salud: maybe remove the *.so file from the plug-ins directory. The *.so file and installation script need to be in the same directory. Then run the installation script from there - it should find the firefox plug-in directory. |
| 21:57.22 | jberg | superfirelord42, i only have this laptop which im on windows now. so i have to reboot and try to install grub |
| 21:57.30 | superfirelord42 | hold on |
| 21:57.38 | superfirelord42 | jberg, not really |
| 21:57.44 | pizza__ | `apt-get remove postgresql-7.4` wants to *install* postgresql-8.3 and other stuff, how do i tell it just remove 7.4? i've RTFMed and tried --no-install-recommends and --no-update and they don't affect the behavior. |
| 21:57.50 | superfirelord42 | jberg, let me give you the commands now in that case... |
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| 21:57.57 | salud | justdebian: when i run install script i give the installation patch |
| 21:57.58 | jberg | superfirelord42, okay great :) |
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| 21:58.12 | salud | so i think its not the problem :/ |
| 21:58.14 | superfirelord42 | do the following exactly, and I recommend you back up the boot loader to a floppy before you run these, just in case something goes wrong |
| 21:58.18 | superfirelord42 | grub |
| 21:58.23 | superfirelord42 | root (hd0,1) |
| 21:58.29 | superfirelord42 | setup (hd0) |
| 21:58.32 | superfirelord42 | quit |
| 21:59.25 | superfirelord42 | that tells it that the files it needs are in your /dev/hda2, and to put the bootloader on /dev/hda |
| 21:59.31 | jberg | okay, thanks. im trying to read grub manual so i understand why those are the correct sequences |
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| 21:59.59 | jberg | superfirelord42, ah ok. seems logic |
| 22:00.07 | superfirelord42 | jberg, of course, to get windows running, you will need to tell it to boot it in the menu.lst |
| 22:00.24 | superfirelord42 | you can do this from the debian, but its realitivly simple to add... let me see if I can pastebin the addition you need. |
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| 22:00.56 | jberg | superfirelord42, great |
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| 22:03.20 | c369 | what is wrong about mount -t ext3 -o ro,umask=077 /dev/sdc1 /usb 1>&2? it says 'ext3: unrecognized option umask=077' or something |
| 22:03.32 | superfirelord42 | jberg, http://pastebin.ca/1317293 |
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| 22:03.44 | superfirelord42 | jberg, this should be added into your menu.lst when you get your debian running |
| 22:04.35 | dustybin | is it normal for a professional sys admin to have a seperate email account dedicated to logs / apps reporting information etc ? |
| 22:04.40 | c369 | alright umask does not work for ext3 |
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| 22:05.08 | superfirelord42 | dustybin, i dont know if its normal, but i guess it makes sense.... |
| 22:05.13 | justdebian | salud: look for /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so and /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libunixprintplugin.so |
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| 22:06.02 | jberg | superfirelord42, after i reboot into debian? |
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| 22:06.35 | jberg | do i need to do grub-update or something after adding that? |
| 22:06.36 | superfirelord42 | jberg, once you get grub installed, you will not have the option to boot into windows, if not, boot into your debian, and then add that.. |
| 22:06.48 | superfirelord42 | jberg, nope, just reboot |
| 22:06.57 | jberg | okay, thanks a lot! |
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| 22:08.00 | Ro0ster | Help me, I can't view this site: http://gamingguru.org/index.php |
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| 22:08.14 | Fire_Lord | jberg, you still there? |
| 22:08.50 | jberg | yes |
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| 22:09.25 | superfirelord42 | jberg, if you asked any questions, i missed it, irc client crashed |
| 22:09.27 | justdebian | salud: forget that libunixprintplugin.so, it's for printing. |
| 22:10.38 | jberg | superfirelord42, nope :) |
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| 22:11.25 | superfirelord42 | ok, good... :P |
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| 22:13.25 | salud | justdebian: still not works :/ |
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| 22:15.14 | jberg | alright, ill try now |
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| 22:16.51 | justdebian | salud: I'm assuming that you closed iceweasel then reopened it after installing the flash plug-in. |
| 22:17.36 | salud | hehe :) i do it D: |
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| 22:18.07 | justdebian | salud: Does that mean it now works? |
| 22:18.18 | salud | no :P |
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| 22:21.19 | justdebian | salud: Unfortunately, then, I don't know how else to assist except to suggest removing the *.so file from the plug-ins directory and start over. Try downloading the flash plug-in in either a .deb format or one of the others and follow the installation instructions exactly. There is nothing else I know to do. |
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| 22:24.35 | salud | justdebian: i will try install again from null ;] ;] after update my system :/ i will wait 2h for do it ;] |
| 22:24.42 | salud | alias brb :P |
| 22:25.34 | craigevil | easiest way to install flash it to use the debian-multimedia.org rep and install flashplayer-mozilla, if your on etch your not going to be able to get Flash 10 to work |
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| 22:29.18 | pizza__ | `apt-get remove postgresql-7.4` wants to *install* postgresql-8.3 and other stuff, how do i tell it just remove 7.4? i've RTFMed and tried --no-install-recommends and --no-update and they don't affect the behavior. |
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| 22:32.20 | justdebian | salud: craigevil tells you want you need. I installed flash 9.x from an old download. Try what he says. Note that Lenny does not have flashplayer-mozilla. Instead it has mozilla-player that uses mplayer. If you upgrade to Lenny you may have to use this or install Flash 10. I hope his suggestion works for you. |
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| 22:33.40 | salud | k right :) 1,35h and i will try |
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| 22:39.44 | blahblah_x | hey guys. i am running debian on an xo, which has a pretty small screen. is there a way to make everything on the screen bigger for ease of use (not just the fonts)? |
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| 22:40.56 | TurboBee | blahblah_x, lower your resolution? :) |
| 22:41.17 | blahblah_x | TurboBee: will that reduce the clarity of the screen? |
| 22:41.29 | TurboBee | is it an lcd? |
| 22:41.46 | superfirelord42 | blahblah_x, what version of debian? |
| 22:41.47 | TurboBee | if it is then most likely it will a little bit, but it depends on HOW much you lower it |
| 22:42.03 | blahblah_x | superfirelord42: why do you ask? |
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| 22:42.25 | superfirelord42 | blahblah_x, i thought so, nevermind... |
| 22:42.34 | TurboBee | lol |
| 22:42.40 | TurboBee | what does that mean superfirelord42 |
| 22:43.01 | blahblah_x | thought what? |
| 22:43.13 | TurboBee | i guess he thinks you are using ubuntu |
| 22:43.23 | TurboBee | *shrug* |
| 22:43.42 | blahblah_x | i am using lenny |
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| 22:44.10 | TurboBee | well anyway I'm out |
| 22:44.11 | TurboBee | see ya |
| 22:44.12 | TurboBee | :p |
| 22:45.01 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. Can someone recommend software for a n00b circuit designer? I want to create a circuit, then have the software describe and/or simulate what it does. |
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| 22:45.18 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, alot of people use Eagle CAD |
| 22:45.28 | superfirelord42 | wait, i just realized, that may be only windows... |
| 22:45.48 | jonaskoelker | there's an `eagle' pkg in ubuntu |
| 22:45.57 | jonaskoelker | but maybe that's not it? |
| 22:46.11 | superfirelord42 | well, easy way to tell, if i can remember the command for dpkg |
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| 22:46.41 | jonaskoelker | "easily applicable graphical layout editor"? |
| 22:46.47 | superfirelord42 | yeah, its probably it |
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| 22:47.07 | superfirelord42 | !info eagle |
| 22:47.09 | dpkg | eagle: (Printed circuit board design tool), section non-free/electronics, is optional. Version: 4.16r2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2826 kB, Installed size: 6924 kB |
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| 22:47.20 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, looks right |
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| 22:48.02 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, but it is a free edition, so it may have some restrictions on it... (if i recall) |
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| 22:49.10 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, for info on the restrictions, take a look here http://www.cadsoftusa.com/freeware.htm |
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| 22:50.30 | nbeebo | how can i do so my audio out is my audio in? my soundcard itself does not support this.. |
| 22:51.06 | sladi | nbeebo: why do you think it's possible then? |
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| 22:51.55 | nbeebo | u can do this in the file system some how |
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| 22:52.46 | jonaskoelker | meh, eagle doesn't render right |
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| 22:54.07 | jonaskoelker | btw, my understanding is that verilog lets you design everything that can be built with nand gates and up (but no transistors, amplifiers, etc.). Is that right? I want to cut my teeth on the lower-level parts (transistors, amps, diodes, etc.), if that wasn't clear... |
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| 22:55.25 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, eh, i really dont know much about the design and the applications, i just named the one i hear tossed around alot. |
| 22:55.33 | jonaskoelker | ok |
| 22:55.44 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, although i think it can build higher level stuff |
| 22:56.02 | superfirelord42 | jonaskoelker, and it has additional parts databases you can pull down on the site. |
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| 22:58.13 | Stuckey | Hello |
| 22:58.51 | sergiu\1 | hiiii |
| 22:59.22 | Stuckey | Anyone know how to make torrent files? |
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| 23:00.11 | Spida | Stuckey: your torrent client? |
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| 23:00.20 | runa | how can i clear my access from lastlog |
| 23:00.22 | Stuckey | Spida, I use rtorrent |
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| 23:00.34 | Nostahl | hey all im trying to setup pypanel. it is calling for imlib2 wich i have. anyone else have probs setting up pypanel |
| 23:00.47 | Stuckey | Spida but I tried creating a torrent file with btcompletedir but I got some sort of error: TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ** or pow(): 'int' and 'NoneType' |
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| 23:03.20 | twiadpaws | lo |
| 23:03.32 | twiadpaws | anyone able to help with a regex? |
| 23:04.04 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: yep. http://xkcd.com/208/ |
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| 23:04.53 | twiadpaws | funny ;) |
| 23:05.03 | superfirelord42 | lulz |
| 23:05.14 | jonaskoelker | xkcd is the lulz :) |
| 23:05.18 | jonaskoelker | you had a question? |
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| 23:05.43 | jonaskoelker | (I can also help you with physics problems: http://xkcd.com/123/) |
| 23:06.01 | twiadpaws | you are NOT being funny :b |
| 23:06.28 | twiadpaws | yeh i have a pattern but cant negate it |
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| 23:06.50 | twiadpaws | done it pretty much in php but failing here |
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| 23:07.32 | jonaskoelker | Either it's implemented in your regular expression thing (grep, sed, perl, whatever), or you have to implement the whole automata theory thing and do the accept-state-set complement... |
| 23:07.37 | jonaskoelker | you know automata theory? |
| 23:07.59 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: and in any case, what's the regex you want inverted, and which prog/lib is consuming it? |
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| 23:09.00 | Stuckey | Anyone know how to make torrent files? |
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| 23:09.22 | twiadpaws | jonaskoelker, i have a regex as a parameter with the find command, it works just fine, but those files which are listed are ok, i need all those who do not match with the regex |
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| 23:09.49 | twiadpaws | wasn't it something like [^ ... negate ... ] |
| 23:09.50 | twiadpaws | ? |
| 23:09.52 | twiadpaws | cant find it |
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| 23:10.06 | garotosopa | How do I add a repository but only for one given package? |
| 23:10.08 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: no, that only works for character sets |
| 23:10.26 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: but find lets you say "find ! -regex 'foo.*bar' -etc etcargs..." |
| 23:10.42 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: note the !, it inverts the outcome of any test |
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| 23:11.33 | twiadpaws | no |
| 23:11.39 | twiadpaws | just a little part has to be negated |
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| 23:11.42 | jonaskoelker | oh |
| 23:11.47 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: what's the little part? |
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| 23:12.28 | twiadpaws | jonaskoelker, all files without a given date/time mask at the beginning should be listed |
| 23:12.42 | twiadpaws | therefore i write the regex for this mask |
| 23:12.52 | twiadpaws | all i need to do now is to negate it :b |
| 23:12.57 | twiadpaws | that's where i'm stuck lol |
| 23:13.12 | SE_NO | Is it still possible to install "sarge" using a netinst image, or would I have to install "etch" |
| 23:13.39 | don_armstrong | SE_NO: you really don't want to install sarge |
| 23:13.54 | SE_NO | Why is that? |
| 23:14.05 | don_armstrong | SE_NO: because it doesn't have security support and is no longer supported. |
| 23:14.11 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: still, you could use find's "-and" and "! -regex" |
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| 23:14.15 | Nostahl | hey guys how do i find the repo for pypanel |
| 23:14.25 | SRabbelier | how do I turn the insane loudness of the system beep down some? |
| 23:14.43 | SRabbelier | the system beep as in, the one I hear in my headphones |
| 23:14.44 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: in effect saying "matches [the rest of your regexp] -and -not matches regexp for datetime-stamps" |
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| 23:14.57 | twiadpaws | twiadpaws, yeh you're right, thanx : \ |
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| 23:15.27 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: try xset b [something] if it's mostly in x it concerns you |
| 23:15.31 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: yw :) |
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| 23:16.04 | SE_NO | Is it possible to install 'etch' in text mode? |
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| 23:16.26 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: as long as you don't use grouping and \1...\9, there is a general algorithm to negate regular expressions though, but nobody seems to implement it |
| 23:16.40 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: mhh, what do you mean, mostly in x? |
| 23:16.59 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: as opposed to Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] |
| 23:17.01 | twiadpaws | yeh, i have to use numbers ;) |
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| 23:17.11 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: ah, yes, thank you so much |
| 23:17.16 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: yw :) |
| 23:17.20 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: this is so much better (I just turned the darn thing off) |
| 23:17.31 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: is it persistent, or just this x session? |
| 23:17.34 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 23:17.42 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: xset is just-this-session |
| 23:17.43 | SRabbelier | laughs |
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| 23:17.51 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: modprobe as well? |
| 23:17.51 | jberg | hmm.. when the rescue mode booted it gave me a menu asking what whas the root partition, i said /dev/sda2 (that's where my debian partition is), then it gave me a menu if i wanted to start a shell in /dev/sda2 so i tried that but couldn't run grub because it couldn't open bterm or something. but i tried "install grub" from the menu and i entered (hd0,1) and then just restarted. but no grub menu, any idea what i did wrong? |
| 23:18.10 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: modprobe doesn't survive reboots, but it does survive x-server restarts |
| 23:18.16 | superfirelord42 | jberg, you need grub on (hd0) |
| 23:18.35 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: mhhh, so I should put it in my x startup script perhaps? (the xset) |
| 23:18.36 | superfirelord42 | you need the root to be (hd0,1) |
| 23:18.38 | robokop | i just installed pulseaudio, and sound works except that opera doesn't work with it |
| 23:18.45 | RusBoy | hi guys , i got some weird problem , i am getting 100% cpu on any proccess that usually aint doing nearly 5% cpu usage , what can be the prob ? |
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| 23:19.01 | Stuckey | Hello, I'm trying to create a torrent with multiple files with btcompletedir; I get this error when I try to: http://paste.debian.net/26811/ |
| 23:19.05 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: grep pcspkr /etc, delete the relevant line :) |
| 23:19.31 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: the "right" thing to do varies. I tweak my bell in my x startup script |
| 23:19.35 | robokop | i have the same problem i had with iceweasel which i fixed by adding padsp as dsp wrapper to the iceweaselrc |
| 23:19.45 | jberg | superfirelord42, hmm. but i couldn't access the grub shell. only a menu that asked me where to install grub. when i tried to open a shell on /dev/sda2 i couldn't open grub, how can i start the grub shelL? |
| 23:20.12 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: # grep pcspkr /etc/ comes up empty |
| 23:20.29 | superfirelord42 | jberg, when you did install (hd0,1), it should have been install (hd0) |
| 23:20.43 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: oops, grep -R pcspkr /etc/* |
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| 23:20.59 | jberg | superfirelord42, i see. will try that then |
| 23:21.20 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: hehe, that'll take a while |
| 23:21.21 | tczern_ | hi, I am looking for a nice theme for Gnome, what works best with Debian? Even anything in the package manager I missed? |
| 23:21.39 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-input.rules:DRIVERS=="pcspkr",ENV{ID_CLASS}="spkr" |
| 23:21.39 | superfirelord42 | jberg, just make sure no matter wat it does not do (hd0,0) |
| 23:21.42 | jonaskoelker | really? My /etc on ubuntu is like 30 megs |
| 23:21.42 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: that would be the one? |
| 23:21.47 | superfirelord42 | jberg, if it does that, you will have to reinstall windows |
| 23:21.59 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: it wasn't as bad as I had expected |
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| 23:22.19 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: yeah; comment that one out... |
| 23:22.35 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: awesome, this'll make for a lot less pain in the ears |
| 23:22.35 | jberg | superfirelord42, but i should have picked /dev/sda2 as my root partition right? |
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| 23:23.07 | jonaskoelker | SRabbelier: I guess, though, that you'll edit your own startup script more often, and so will remember better the location of the no-pc-speaker if you put it there |
| 23:23.13 | superfirelord42 | jberg, root partition? you are installing on your MBR, /dev/sda |
| 23:23.15 | jonaskoelker | my uneducated guess |
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| 23:24.14 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: that would be true, if I ever edited my own startup script :P |
| 23:24.19 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: the most I ever do is edit .bashrc |
| 23:24.24 | jonaskoelker | ah |
| 23:24.38 | SRabbelier | jonaskoelker: I must admit that any X11 stuff is not really my forte |
| 23:24.46 | SRabbelier | it's just too... clunky |
| 23:24.59 | robokop | the most i ever edit is sb else his .bash_logout |
| 23:25.02 | jonaskoelker | not mine either, but knowledge tends to accumulate |
| 23:25.12 | SRabbelier | fair enough |
| 23:25.19 | SRabbelier | robokop: hehe, to do _what_ exactly? |
| 23:25.29 | robokop | something like adding echo "sleep 2 >> .bashrc" |
| 23:25.41 | ciphergoth | "grub-install /dev/sda" fails with the message "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 23:25.49 | SRabbelier | robokop: lol, so everytime they logout their login will be that much slower? |
| 23:25.59 | ciphergoth | I've Googled but I'm still not sure what to do |
| 23:26.00 | robokop | SRabbelier: jup |
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| 23:26.12 | SRabbelier | robokop: lol, that would simulate windows pretty well I reckon |
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| 23:27.33 | enouf | c369: awesome - can you pinpoint the problem? |
| 23:27.49 | bar | are there any semi-official 2.6.27 or .28 packages? |
| 23:28.04 | bar | experimental does not list any |
| 23:28.15 | robokop | SRabbelier: no than you should do something like: sleep $(($RANDOM%360)) && pkill -u `id -un` & |
| 23:28.59 | bar | which is a pity as i need newer drivers |
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| 23:29.17 | enouf | SRabbelier: /msg dpkg bell |
| 23:29.50 | robokop | i just installed pulseaudio, and sound works except that opera doesn't work with it, anybody here who could help me with that? |
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| 23:30.09 | valdyn | robokop: opera supports pulseaudio since when? |
| 23:30.41 | SRabbelier | enouf: hehe, shouldof guessed |
| 23:30.44 | c369 | enouf, simply used chroot and ran update-initramfs - btw now I use an ext3 usbstick to read the keyfile |
| 23:30.44 | enouf | since when do browsers support audio layers? |
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| 23:31.12 | themill | bar: /msg dpkg trunk kernel |
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| 23:31.21 | robokop | at least since the installation i had before this one (debian lenny) but had a hdd crash |
| 23:31.25 | valdyn | robokop: probably starting at version 10 flash will output to alsa |
| 23:31.32 | enouf | c369: cool, ext3 instead of? and do you think thta mattered? |
| 23:31.43 | valdyn | robokop: that means you need to configure the default alsa device to pipe to pulseaudio |
| 23:31.45 | enouf | fat16/32/vfat? |
| 23:31.52 | tczern_ | anyone who sucessfully installed the nimbus theme, if so from what package? |
| 23:31.55 | Stuckey | Could someone please tell me how I can make a torrent file in linux?? |
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| 23:32.01 | robokop | same flash install works for iceweasel |
| 23:32.10 | c369 | enouf, instead of vfat, the problem was that some utf8 stuff could not be read or so |
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| 23:32.30 | enouf | c369: omg .. right! .. i recall you said you had Char encoding issues! |
| 23:32.40 | bar | themill, thanks |
| 23:32.53 | enouf | and you thought you fixed that in /etc/crypttab? |
| 23:33.04 | robokop | and i had the same problem in firefox too, and fixed it there by setting padsp as dsp wrapper in the iceweaselrc |
| 23:33.08 | bopols | help! How do i completely uninstall and re-install postgresql in debian lenny? Tried apt-get install but it won't recreate the files in /etc/ and /var/lib. |
| 23:33.14 | enouf | c369: yeah - utf-8 and vfat == mess it's pants |
| 23:33.19 | valdyn | robokop: same flash gets different environment variables in firefox |
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| 23:33.29 | themill | bopols: at a guess, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 23:33.38 | enouf | c369: btw. extlinux ftw ;-) |
| 23:33.39 | valdyn | robokop: so that indicates you are using the older flash i guess |
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| 23:34.00 | c369 | enouf, ;) at first I wanted to be able to boot again, so I removed the script like from my crypttab |
| 23:34.08 | c369 | s/like/line |
| 23:34.15 | valdyn | robokop: start opera like "padsp opera" and see what happens.. |
| 23:34.20 | c369 | so it would ask me for the passphrase again |
| 23:34.29 | c369 | instead of reading it from usb |
| 23:34.36 | enouf | right .. and? |
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| 23:34.40 | enouf | that worked? |
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| 23:34.49 | enouf | or not when using vfat? |
| 23:34.52 | c369 | yeah after update-initramfs |
| 23:35.00 | enouf | ahh.. gotcha - ok |
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| 23:35.54 | robokop | valdyn: same thing, if i look in pavucontrol i see operapluginwrapper connecting and disconnecting to pulseaudio like hell, but no sound |
| 23:35.56 | c369 | enouf, Im glad that whole thing happened, otherwise I would have no idea what initramfs is |
| 23:36.23 | enouf | c369: ok .. so the update-initramfs procedure helped once you learned to chroot properly, and the usb key issue was a vfat issue with utf-8 |
| 23:36.25 | bar | themill, there aren't any newer kernels on their either |
| 23:36.30 | enouf | c369: ;-) |
| 23:36.30 | bar | but thanks nonetheless |
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| 23:36.45 | c369 | right |
| 23:37.03 | Stuckey | Trying to create a torrent file but I'm getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/26814/ |
| 23:37.05 | Stuckey | Someone please help |
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| 23:37.13 | enouf | !\o/ > c369 |
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| 23:37.52 | valdyn | robokop: cant you swith to flash 10 ? |
| 23:37.58 | valdyn | robokop: cant you switch to flash 10 ? |
| 23:38.06 | themill | bar: there are linux-image-2.6.28-1-* kernels there. |
| 23:38.46 | enouf | bar: ever hear of buildserver? |
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| 23:41.18 | enouf | hands valdyn a new box of apostrophes :-) |
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| 23:46.33 | robokop | valdyn: thanx works now |
| 23:47.01 | valdyn | robokop: how? |
| 23:47.25 | robokop | valdyn: flash10 |
| 23:47.36 | valdyn | robokop: and editing alsa conf? |
| 23:47.47 | robokop | had done that already |
| 23:47.54 | valdyn | robokop: ah, neat |
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| 23:48.39 | enouf | uses '/msg dpkg youtube script' (flash can suck my ass, and so can adobe) |
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| 23:51.12 | bopols | error on postgresql after Lenny upgrade - http://paste.debian.net/26816 |
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| 23:54.49 | bopols | is that a Bug? |
| 23:54.54 | maher | is anyone using greylistd? |
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| 23:58.20 | Kano | hi, when i reboot with lenny i see no grub(2) menu. how to to reboot to grub? |
| 23:59.19 | enouf | Kano: i take it you installed grub2? grub-pc (and friends?) |
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| 23:59.36 | Kano | also memtest86 and memtest86+ is not correctly in the grub2 menu when you dont use a boot partition |
| 23:59.50 | Kano | enouf: yes grub-pc (aka grub2) |
| 23:59.58 | twiadpaws | jonaskoelker, your idea the negate the regex makes me find . as well : < |
