| 00:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | max|-, and perhaps add the module to /etc/modules |
| 00:00.42 | debirf_ | ot3 |
| 00:00.48 | gsamsa | craigevil: it's not working |
| 00:00.57 | gsamsa | it doesn't let me install it |
| 00:00.58 | debirf_ | 233333oops |
| 00:01.23 | max|- | how i can add ? |
| 00:01.24 | max|- | :-s |
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| 00:01.48 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat: what about flash for lenny ? |
| 00:01.56 | HawkeV_ | ahahaha |
| 00:01.57 | HawkeV_ | muahahaha |
| 00:02.00 | HawkeV_ | awesome. |
| 00:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, what about it? |
| 00:02.29 | gsamsa | i'm starting to loose my mind |
| 00:02.32 | newsense | how to get flash to install |
| 00:02.39 | gsamsa | about:plugins does not show flash |
| 00:02.44 | newsense | flashplayer-mozilla wont install |
| 00:02.56 | gsamsa | but i installed flashplayer-mozilla |
| 00:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound? |
| 00:03.23 | craigevil | flashplayer-mozilla is what i use, works fine but i run Sid |
| 00:03.28 | max|- | CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:03.32 | gsamsa | fuck |
| 00:03.35 | adb | gsamsa: logout/login or reboot |
| 00:03.37 | newsense | i run lenny |
| 00:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | max|-, you edit the file? |
| 00:04.04 | max|- | what the file ? |
| 00:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | max|-, but load the module 1st with modprobe to see if everything woks |
| 00:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 00:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.33 | gsamsa | adb: done that, didn't work |
| 00:04.34 | max|- | i add ? |
| 00:04.38 | gsamsa | arrrrgh |
| 00:04.59 | max|- | i edit file with . ? |
| 00:05.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | max|-, first do what Guerin told you - if that works, you can add a line to /etc/modules with the module name, which will make the module load at bootup |
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| 00:07.00 | max|- | modprob |
| 00:07.05 | max|- | with ... |
| 00:07.27 | max|- | modprobe ?????; |
| 00:07.27 | HawkeV_ | modprobe <modulenamehere> |
| 00:07.36 | max|- | where i have modulename |
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| 00:08.03 | HawkeV_ | you googled for it earlier |
| 00:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I told you? |
| 00:08.07 | max|- | i don t have snd_***_oss |
| 00:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | snd_* is alsa |
| 00:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | snd_*_oss is the oss compatibility module from alsa |
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| 00:09.44 | max|- | but in google i don t have oss module? |
| 00:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | craigevil, flashplayer-mozilla is from the marillat repository, though |
| 00:10.47 | adb | gsamsa: ls /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |grep flash |
| 00:10.54 | max|- | :'( |
| 00:10.56 | adb | get what ? |
| 00:10.57 | craigevil | i know that and it works, a lot of people have been having issues with flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:11.05 | gsamsa | adb: it's there |
| 00:11.16 | adb | ahhhhhha |
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| 00:11.26 | gsamsa | adb: i copied it to ~/.mozilla/plugins instead and worked |
| 00:11.30 | gsamsa | don't get it :| |
| 00:11.59 | adb | yeah |
| 00:12.06 | max|- | CutMeOwnThroat ? |
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| 00:14.03 | max|- | pls |
| 00:14.20 | craigevil | File name: /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0 r12 thats from about:plugins in Iceweasel |
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| 00:19.30 | Lachlan_ | hello im trying to choose which distro i will use on my new laptop and have reduced my choice to sidux or debian lenny |
| 00:19.52 | Lachlan_ | can anyone provide pros and cons for both? |
| 00:20.37 | adb | no |
| 00:20.37 | craigevil | Lachlan_: try asking in #sidux on oftc |
| 00:20.54 | jpinx | Lachlan_: go for etch first and get it sorted - then upgrade |
| 00:21.08 | newsense | i cant get flashplayer-mozilla to install in lenny http://paste.debian.net/23435 |
| 00:21.31 | jpinx | Lachlan_: I can safely say that I'm technically challenged and I have lenny running happily on my lappy |
| 00:21.39 | Lachlan_ | craigevil i will but i am wanting to get the opinion of both communities to make my mind up |
| 00:21.48 | jpinx | newsense - did you restart your browser? |
| 00:22.03 | newsense | look at the pastebin |
| 00:22.08 | newsense | it "wont" install |
| 00:23.02 | jpinx | Lachlan_: you will only get pro-debian here ;) |
| 00:23.03 | newsense | maybe it did but the alternative file wasnt updated it seems |
| 00:23.14 | craigevil | Lachlan_: i run sidux on my desktops and Sid with a sidux kernel on my Eee |
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| 00:23.57 | craigevil | newsense: /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so: No such file or directory < you might have to create that file although it should already exist |
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| 00:25.14 | newsense | theres a mozilla dir in /etc/alternatives |
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| 00:25.41 | craigevil | newsense: do ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so what does that show |
| 00:25.56 | newsense | files not there |
| 00:25.56 | debirf_ | mc |
| 00:26.03 | debirf_ | oops |
| 00:26.11 | newsense | i know how to check if a file is present |
| 00:26.14 | newsense | not a noob |
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| 00:26.44 | newsense | thanks though |
| 00:28.04 | HawkeV_ | god, i love linux. |
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| 00:29.10 | craigevil | newsense: since the error is that file doesnt exist i would create it and try to install |
| 00:29.12 | jpinx | !god |
| 00:30.09 | newsense | ill try it wth |
| 00:30.48 | adb | newsense: what's your navigator ? |
| 00:31.05 | newsense | iceweasel |
| 00:32.00 | newsense | heh |
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| 00:32.05 | newsense | seems to have worked |
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| 00:32.52 | newsense | nah |
| 00:32.54 | newsense | nothing |
| 00:33.14 | adb | ls /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |grep flash |
| 00:34.02 | adb | newsense: ^^^^ |
| 00:34.12 | craigevil | that doesnt even show flash here |
| 00:34.17 | newsense | nothing |
| 00:34.56 | craigevil | ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so which should show /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so -> /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
| 00:35.17 | adb | ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |grep flash |
| 00:35.47 | adb | craigevil: /etc/alternatives/ has no any .so file |
| 00:36.00 | newsense | flash-mozilla.so |
| 00:36.05 | adb | ok |
| 00:36.29 | adb | cp /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
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| 00:37.32 | adb | newsense: restart iceweasel/reboot and be happy |
| 00:37.34 | newsense | i got that in /etc/alternatives but i created it |
| 00:37.37 | eldowan | whynot just ln -s so if the /usr/lib/mozilla version gets updated, the iceweasel will also? |
| 00:38.13 | Request | Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here : http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
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| 00:46.42 | adb | newsense: still here ? |
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| 00:48.28 | TwistOfFate | anyone know if you can use different size disks in a raid5? |
| 00:48.30 | newsense | yeah |
| 00:48.30 | adb | what is your OS ? |
| 00:48.46 | newsense | gnu/linux |
| 00:48.48 | adb | hehe |
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| 00:49.11 | newsense | debian lenny 2.6.26-1 kernel |
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| 00:49.42 | newsense | nm |
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| 00:50.26 | Gm4n | I followed dpkg's directions on etch->lenny, and now I have postgresql server refusing to start and complaining about root.crt |
| 00:50.53 | Guerin | Gm4n: i presume it details the nature of the complaint? |
| 00:50.55 | djcip | hey - looking to stream music from my debian box so i can access it anywhere i have internet and web browser - anyone know of any good solutions? |
| 00:51.06 | Guerin | djcip: gnump3d |
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| 00:52.47 | tifflor | hi anyone here who uses vexim? I'll had a working vexim but since a few day's I can't login anymore, any idea how I can find out what's the problem? |
| 00:53.14 | cmanns | Ey guys, how can I list the total dir size's of /home dirs? |
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| 00:53.27 | HawkeV_ | du -h --max-depth=1 /home |
| 00:54.22 | Schiz0|SD | Hey |
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| 00:54.58 | cmanns | ty HawkeV_ ill give it a try after this tgz finishes |
| 00:55.02 | Schiz0|SD | When I login via SSH, the motd is displayed twice. I deleted /etc/motd.tail, and /etc/motd only has one line. sshd_conf is set to display the motd on login. But I still don't understand why it's being displayed TWICE, not once. |
| 00:55.10 | HawkeV_ | np cmanns |
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| 00:56.12 | adb | newsense: debian lenny has any /usr/lib/mozilla/ directory |
| 00:56.34 | newsense | no |
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| 00:56.43 | infinity1 | does aptitude have a 'dpkg -i <file>' equivalent |
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| 00:56.53 | Guerin | infinity1: no. Why would it? |
| 00:56.55 | HawkeV_ | Schiz0|SD, you don't have it being cat'd in profile/bashrc do you? |
| 00:57.07 | doublehp | how to ask ls to show atime and ctime ? |
| 00:57.11 | infinity1 | Guerin: i dunno. dpkg -i filename has dependency issues i want to be solved automatically |
| 00:57.11 | HawkeV_ | ls --help |
| 00:57.24 | HawkeV_ | doublehp, or man ls |
| 00:57.28 | doublehp | HawkeV_: read it 3 times, did not find |
| 00:57.35 | HawkeV_ | it's in there |
| 00:57.57 | HawkeV_ | search for ctime or atime |
| 00:58.18 | newsense | adb: thanks for the help, think im gonna chalk it up as a loss for the moment |
| 00:58.38 | adb | welcome |
| 00:59.04 | Guerin | infinity1: put the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and run aptitude install some-package |
| 00:59.19 | Guerin | infinity1: it will try to resolve deps (and probably fail) |
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| 01:00.36 | doublehp | HawkeV_: it's a switch; ls -luc only shows one ! i want both |
| 01:01.05 | Gm4n | Guerin: seems the source of the problem is "FATAL: could not create any TCP/IP sockets failed!"... but why would that start on a dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:01.24 | HawkeV_ | doublehp, use stat then |
| 01:01.51 | doublehp | HawkeV_: i want something way deeper, like ps can do: ps can take an argument with the list of columns i want; and i show over a dozen :) I want ls to show the 3 key times ! |
| 01:01.52 | llimeht | doublehp: or use find with -printf |
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| 01:01.59 | HawkeV_ | or write your own wrapper |
| 01:02.00 | Guerin | Gm4n: hm. unsure. |
| 01:02.17 | doublehp | HawkeV_: tired of having to write wrappers every day :'( |
| 01:02.20 | Sweetandy | What's the name of that blackbox based program for setting the background? |
| 01:02.40 | doublehp | Sweetandy: BG is WM dependant |
| 01:02.51 | infinity1 | Guerin: thats a good idea |
| 01:03.05 | doublehp | llimeht: can printf show atime, ctime, and rtime ? |
| 01:03.23 | llimeht | doublehp: rtime? you mean mtime? |
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| 01:04.04 | doublehp | y |
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| 01:05.52 | llimeht | doublehp: yes. man find. |
| 01:06.19 | doublehp | llimeht: which printf ? printf(3) ? |
| 01:06.35 | \amethyst | no, the -printf option to find |
| 01:06.40 | \amethyst | stat -c would be another option |
| 01:06.40 | llimeht | doublehp: no, man find and look at the option -printf |
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| 01:07.09 | doublehp | llimeht: k thx |
| 01:07.27 | starke | hey anybody know what package has glxinfo? |
| 01:07.36 | Guerin | !tell starke about search |
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| 01:10.27 | doublehp | whats the difference between ctime anc mtime ? is mtime always more recent than ctime ? |
| 01:10.48 | \amethyst | doublehp: unless you have changed the times with touch, yes |
| 01:10.58 | llimeht | !ctime |
| 01:11.02 | dpkg | Unix does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. At all. Ever. You can't get it. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. |
| 01:11.13 | \amethyst | doublehp: mtime is changed whenever the file is written to; ctime is changed when the file is written to *or* any of its metadata changes |
| 01:11.14 | doublehp | \amethyst: no, presume "anything" can happen; is mtime always more recent ? |
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| 01:11.34 | \amethyst | doublehp: no, it is not. you can set them arbitrarily using touch |
| 01:12.19 | llimeht | doublehp: see what dpkg just said (and man 2 stat) |
| 01:12.41 | doublehp | \amethyst: ok, thanks very interesting. So, if we forget about touch (which is a case i will not meet), will chmod affect ctime or mtime ? |
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| 01:13.07 | llimeht | hopes that doublehp will read dpkg's last line at some stage |
| 01:13.11 | adub | does anyone in here use zoneminder? |
| 01:13.28 | doublehp | will ... one day |
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| 01:13.42 | \amethyst | doublehp: chmod affects ctime but not mtime |
| 01:14.17 | doublehp | k :/ |
| 01:14.20 | \amethyst | doublehp: there is AFAIK nothing that affects mtime but not ctime |
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| 01:16.02 | doublehp | llimeht: will ext4 include them ? is atime stored in inode ? |
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| 01:16.32 | gewt | ext4!? |
| 01:16.34 | llimeht | huh? include what? |
| 01:16.55 | llimeht | !ext4 |
| 01:16.56 | dpkg | hmm... ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. |
| 01:17.00 | \amethyst | I doubt ext4 will include creation time, since there is no API for reading or setting it. I guess it could theoretically be stored as an extattr |
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| 01:17.18 | \amethyst | doublehp: and, yes, atime is stored in the inode |
| 01:17.26 | doublehp | llimeht: atime ctime and mtime specifically ... a better way than ext3 does it ATM |
| 01:17.27 | doublehp | ? |
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| 01:18.00 | doublehp | \amethyst: a toll that does not exist yet can be crated :) |
| 01:18.01 | \amethyst | doublehp: ext4 includes atime ctime and mtime with the same meaning as in ext3 and every other Unix filesystem |
| 01:18.10 | doublehp | :( |
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| 01:18.17 | llimeht | doublehp: aiui, these are just the standard posix filesystem attributes. There won't be any difference. What's wrong with the way they are stored? |
| 01:18.19 | \amethyst | it's part of the Posix standard |
| 01:19.59 | doublehp | llimeht: for daily life, i would need more info that UNIX actually store on my FS |
| 01:20.23 | doublehp | i would be pleased to reformat if i could gain those features with a simple mkfs |
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| 01:21.15 | \amethyst | it would require more than just changing the filesystem |
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| 01:21.52 | llimeht | doublehp: *specifically* what do you need in daily life. Try to be more vague if possible. |
| 01:22.50 | doublehp | llimeht: I will wrap around. Thanks |
| 01:23.59 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:24.08 | Metatron | i coulnt talk someone into a fast compile for me could i? i need wireless driver built so i can get the box online |
| 01:24.11 | agiofws_ | hi |
| 01:24.18 | agiofws_ | does anyone know why |
| 01:24.36 | agiofws_ | The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. i cant connect to that on my LAN ? |
| 01:24.48 | agiofws_ | i have followed this wiki |
| 01:24.51 | always | metaton what driver? |
| 01:24.55 | agiofws_ | http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
| 01:25.16 | Metatron | at76_usb, guess i should look in repos first |
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| 01:25.41 | \amethyst | apparently FreeBSD UFS2 has creation time, in the field st_birthtime, but you can't get it from stat(2) |
| 01:25.46 | always | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 01:27.17 | agiofws_ | anyone ? |
| 01:27.19 | Metatron | yeah its in the repos |
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| 01:28.44 | always | m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a (and search you module driver) |
| 01:28.54 | Metatron | my intent was to install debian and strip it down to a less intense wm and desktop as it is an old box its on...but im amazed gnome seems to be doing ok on that clunker |
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| 01:30.27 | Serraphyn | Hello, I was wondering if debian would be a good distro for a project I'm doing. I have a P1-233MMX laptop with 2M video shared with 64M of ram. I have a 4g hard drive and a 4 or 8x CD drive in it. currently it doesn't have any OS but I have the original restores disk for win98 but I'd rathter go witn a linux distro .... Is there a way to get a graphical interface running on this laptop? |
| 01:30.39 | Metatron | how can i force a .deb to install ignoring dependacies? |
| 01:31.16 | Serraphyn | Metatron, I thought it was something like --ignore_dep or dep_ignore, have you tried --help? |
| 01:31.29 | always | running fluxbox, openbox, amiwm, window maker |
| 01:31.42 | llimeht | Metatron: "how can I drive my car ignoring its requirement for petrol and oil" |
| 01:31.54 | Metatron | was using the gui installer, whats the command line way, im new to debian |
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| 01:32.20 | Serraphyn | always, are those X managers or distros? |
| 01:32.23 | jpinx | Serraphyn: you might get debian base install to go on that |
| 01:32.39 | always | all in debian sid |
| 01:33.16 | jpinx | Serraphyn: and add a rewally simple desktop like IceWM or lxde and epiphany browser |
| 01:33.42 | Serraphyn | I'm just wondering cause I have DSL but it wont recognize anything plugged in the USB drive |
| 01:33.45 | Serraphyn | er port |
| 01:33.59 | Metatron | go soloar |
| 01:34.11 | Serraphyn | solar? |
| 01:34.18 | always | icewm = windows (sux) |
| 01:34.30 | LV-426_ | how do i prevent debian from automatically loading a scsi driver upon attachment of a specific usb device ? any usb serial / name / type filter I can set perhaps ? |
| 01:34.32 | Metatron | the depenecy i have alread put in place manualy, but the debian installer doesntknow that |
| 01:34.58 | jpinx | always: lxde is ok |
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| 01:35.30 | Serraphyn | I have a 00:0b.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) anyone ever able to get these to work? |
| 01:36.02 | always | lxde rsrs |
| 01:36.07 | rhineheart_m | how to confirm if the driver of my second NIC has been loaded already? I just executed ifconfig but only eth0 appears. |
| 01:36.20 | doublehp | last question about find: how to sort output ? i did not find sort option; I thought I could pipe, but, i dont either see how to sort output by, for example, date ... |
| 01:36.53 | Metatron | ok dpkg, now i remember, have been in pcoslinux and puppy too long, thantks for telling methat |
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| 01:39.28 | rhineheart_m | how to view the details of eth1? like determining its hardware vendor |
| 01:39.32 | plb | anyone experience audio stuttering in lenny while playing videos? I'm using amd64 |
| 01:40.18 | always | cinerella, mplayer (rox), ardour |
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| 01:40.54 | Tramp | doublehp: sorting by date is a bit tricky. Check "info sort" (not the manpage). sort -k 1M -k 2n -k3 works for something timestamps like "Nov 22 00:01:02" |
| 01:42.29 | Tramp | doublehp: (actually "info coreutils", not "info sort") |
| 01:42.34 | doublehp | Tramp: so, the list need to contain timings ? |
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| 01:43.53 | Tramp | doublehp: if you want to use sort, it has to have something to sort - or what do you mean? |
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| 01:44.22 | jhamlin | Is there such a thing as a nice bluetooth gamepad? The only one I can seem to find is weirdly shaped for connecting to a cell phone... |
| 01:44.28 | doublehp | Tramp: the input is a list of files |
| 01:44.40 | doublehp | i want to sort them by date |
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| 01:45.38 | CapaH | I just upgraded / updated ... and now compiz no longer works. I know nvidia is working because I see the logo before I log in, however when I try loading compiz using my pre-existing fusion-icon all that happens is the window decoration disappears and functionality such as clicking on windows goes away |
| 01:45.51 | Tramp | doublehp: yes. Then the date has to be part of the list to use sort as I just described. |
| 01:45.55 | Metatron | im in a catch22 here, i have to have a network connection to get to install the driver for my wifi |
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| 01:46.22 | CapaH | Metatron: So connect your computer to your wireless router with a cable |
| 01:46.25 | d-b | Metatron: try another com,p and usb |
| 01:46.56 | CapaH | Anyone know how to see what is wrong with Compiz? |
| 01:47.03 | Metatron | cable wont reach, sheesh do i gotta move computers, i just need one little bitty .ko file |
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| 01:47.12 | prxtien | hey all |
| 01:47.16 | Sweetandy | yay |
| 01:47.18 | doublehp | Tramp: then, i could better print the age of the file (such as the raw time) ... so that a simple alpha sort (on the number itself) will do the job |
| 01:47.21 | prxtien | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.24 | prxtien | my problem is, when i go to run lilo under a chroot /tmp/aa (where i mounted my drive) it reports an error that it cant see /dev/sda1 (fair enough)... when i use lilo outside of the chroot, it complains about not being able to see libraries |
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| 01:47.39 | Tramp | doublehp: yep |
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| 01:49.08 | Tramp | doublehp: although, when sorting numbers, I'd always use "-n". For fixed-width epoch-timestamps the result will probably be the same however. |
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| 01:52.04 | CapaH | Can anyone tell me what could be causing compiz not to start up? It worked fine before my software update |
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| 01:59.36 | TopBunny88 | How would one go about configuring debian to talok to a APC BackUp ups rs900 series UPS? |
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| 02:00.20 | TopBunny88 | How would one go about configuring debian to talok to a APC BackUp ups rs900 series UPS? |
| 02:00.51 | nullboy | TopBunny88: try using apcupsd |
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| 02:01.01 | nullboy | it's a tool for talking to APC UPS' |
| 02:01.04 | DanDare | Hello. I lost the grub installation onto HD master boot. How to bootup from system now ? |
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| 02:01.28 | DanDare | I have tried some 'root=/dev/hda1' from boot prompt using the install CD but isnt working |
| 02:03.05 | TopBunny88 | nullboy: Ihave installed apcuppsd and connected the unit to my machine how ever oi can't see to figurepout how the heck to connetc to the ups via it usb communications cable. |
| 02:03.28 | nullboy | read the apcupsd docs |
| 02:03.31 | nullboy | it's pretty clear |
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| 02:08.15 | user__ | Hi |
| 02:08.28 | TopBunny88 | nullboy:her is my lsusb output Bus 003 Device 002: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Back-UPS Pro 500/1000/1500 |
| 02:09.12 | name1 | I've just installed DebianLive to USB stick and it won't unmount /dev/live so it won't write persistent changes :-( |
| 02:09.18 | name1 | How can I cure this? |
| 02:09.50 | karsten | name1: What won't umount? Are you booted into it? Do you have an active shell on the device? |
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| 02:10.12 | karsten | name1: 'fuser -mv <mountpoint> ' will show any activ eprocesses on a given mount point. |
| 02:10.19 | karsten | name1: ... which is one reason umounts fail. |
| 02:10.31 | name1 | karsten: Thanks, well... I booted into it, aye, and yes, I did have an active shell. |
| 02:11.20 | name1 | aaaaaah |
| 02:11.29 | name1 | Now I can't see /mnt/live! |
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| 02:11.43 | name1 | Aha! |
| 02:11.46 | maek | is there a dis advantage with using a swap file vs a swap partition? |
| 02:12.15 | peterrooney | maek: yes. |
| 02:12.56 | name1 | karsten: fuser: command not found |
| 02:12.59 | maek | peterrooney: thanks. so I should take the needed steps to make a partition |
| 02:13.02 | name1 | What package will I get it from? |
| 02:13.21 | Schiz0|SD | name1: packages.debian.org lets you search the contents of packages |
| 02:13.25 | jpinx | name1: apt-cache search |
| 02:13.25 | Schiz0|SD | also the package names |
| 02:13.32 | name1 | Oh yeah lol thanks |
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| 02:16.37 | CapaH | I cannot get compiz to start, can anyone here tell me what may be wrong? Everything worked fine before I did Debian's requested updates/upgrades |
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| 02:17.54 | TopBunny88 | I am still having problems configuring apcupsd on my Debian etch box any help ? |
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| 02:18.19 | scribeskul | hola! |
| 02:18.39 | scribeskul | got me a debian etc system running 2.6.26 with the newest Nvidia drivers.... |
| 02:18.46 | scribeskul | feelin spiffy |
| 02:18.47 | name1 | Okay, apt-cache search didn't return anythinh useful and the packages.debian.org seem to return mainly releasenotes. |
| 02:19.12 | name1 | It seems to be a big load of doc |
| 02:19.16 | Schiz0|SD | name1: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=fuser&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 02:19.24 | name1 | lol cheers, sorry |
| 02:19.40 | name1 | Not used to a text-only browser; it has reduced my reading age to about 7. |
| 02:20.13 | Schiz0|SD | haha |
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| 02:21.46 | TopBunny88 | how the hecjk do i configure the right usb port in my apcupsd.conf file? |
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| 02:22.08 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: I use apcupsd with a USB unit (Back-UPS ES 750) |
| 02:22.13 | name1 | karsten: Aha! "fuser -m <mountpoint>" doesn't say anything. |
| 02:22.44 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: "UPSCABLE usb", "UPSTYPE usb"... that's all I had to change from the default configuration |
| 02:22.49 | keith_ | doesn't it just auto-find it? |
| 02:23.08 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: It'll find the device automatically on the USB bus |
| 02:23.45 | Wyzard | keith_: The default configuration is for a serial cable on /dev/ttyS0... probably ought to be updated :-) |
| 02:24.24 | keith4_ | Wyzard: well, yes. but if you set the stuff to USB as you suggest, that's all there is to it |
| 02:24.28 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 02:26.38 | Wyzard | btw, I like the fact that gnome-power-manager recognizes the UPS and shows its battery level and alerts when it's lost power |
| 02:26.48 | scribeskul | Is anyone else out there running 2.6.26 on etch yet? Any problems? So far its been decent on my end, no glaring issues or anything |
| 02:26.58 | keith4_ | Wyzard: yah, that surprised me the first time i saw it |
| 02:27.18 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: How does one configure apcupsd to autodetect the usp on usb ports? |
| 02:27.22 | Metatron | so why does iwconfig say command not found? |
| 02:27.32 | keith4_ | TopBunny88: he already told you |
| 02:27.37 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: The two lines I mentioned are all you should need to change |
| 02:27.43 | jpinx | Metatron: try sudo? |
| 02:27.48 | Metatron | yeah tried that too |
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| 02:28.07 | Wyzard | You're just configuring it to use USB in general; it'll find the UPS on its own once it knows to look for it on USB |
| 02:28.08 | Metatron | in root terminal anyway |
| 02:28.11 | jpinx | Metatron: no wifi installed |
| 02:28.40 | Metatron | hmm i forgot to click appy on synaptic, maybe thatll do it |
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| 02:29.14 | DanDare | Hello. I have debian installed but lost MBR.. Booting from install CD what i should do after 'Boot' prompt to boot from HD instead of CD ? |
| 02:29.37 | DanDare | im searching everywhere for rescue disk but cant find a way to boot system |
| 02:29.57 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: open UPS port /dev/usb: Is a directory |
| 02:30.02 | DanDare | what i should do or where i should start looking ? |
| 02:30.17 | jpinx | DanDare: there's options for a rescue mode install |
| 02:30.26 | Wyzard | !tell DanDare about reinstall grub |
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| 02:30.43 | DanDare | yeah, i type 'rescue' right after boot prompt but it just launches the installer |
| 02:30.45 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: It's normal for /dev/usb to be a directory; that shouldn't be an error |
| 02:30.53 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: Did you write "/dev/usb" in your configuration file somewhere? |
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| 02:31.11 | DanDare | thanks Wyzard |
| 02:31.14 | CapaH | Question how can I re-install ALL packages ? |
| 02:31.19 | CapaH | meaning all packages I have installed |
| 02:31.22 | CapaH | I want to reinstall all of them |
| 02:31.24 | jpinx | DanDare: is it the graphic installer? |
| 02:31.36 | name1 | Hey |
| 02:31.37 | DanDare | no |
| 02:31.49 | DanDare | well, its simple GUI |
| 02:31.51 | name1 | I've been trying to get persistence working |
| 02:31.55 | DanDare | blue screen with options |
| 02:32.01 | Samus_Aran | does apt provide some way to check which package a particular file in the system, such as /bin/bash is provided by ? |
| 02:32.01 | scribeskul | Is anyone else out there running 2.6.26 on etch yet? Any problems? So far its been decent on my end, no glaring issues or anything |
| 02:32.05 | name1 | And, after running live-snapshot, I got this: /live/live-snapshot-mnt.iBoZzS/live-sn.cpio.gz is present on /live/live-snapshot-mnt.iBoZzS, therefore no automatic unmounting the latter. |
| 02:32.15 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: I havwe that in the config file on the line that saya device=/dev/usb |
| 02:32.18 | jpinx | DanDare: sounds like a grub screen? |
| 02:32.30 | keith4_ | Samus_Aran: dpkg does |
| 02:32.37 | jpinx | DanDare: what are the options? |
| 02:32.39 | keith4_ | Samus_Aran: ask dpkg about 'search' |
| 02:32.40 | DanDare | no, just the installer type |
| 02:32.51 | crunge | Anyone know how I can determine the minimum acceptable encryption algorithm and keysize an SSL host will allow? |
| 02:32.51 | DanDare | there´s no option i dont have anything on MBR |
| 02:32.59 | name1 | Why would live-snapshot being present on it stop automatic umounting on it? |
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| 02:33.07 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: oh, I forgot about the DEVICE line... it's right after the UPSCABLE or UPSTYPE line, right? |
| 02:33.09 | Samus_Aran | keith4_: do you mean the command dpkg or the channel bot ? |
| 02:33.14 | jpinx | DanDare: you said blue screen with options |
| 02:33.15 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: Delete the DEVICE line; it's not needed for USB |
| 02:33.21 | keith4_ | !tell Samus_Aran about search |
| 02:34.34 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: So it wil function properly without the device= filled? |
| 02:34.37 | DanDare | ok, this link is cool http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover So if i can boot any live CD with grub (like rescuecd) i will be able to install grub by hand... |
| 02:34.47 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: yes, just delete the line |
| 02:34.56 | keith4_ | right. or knoppix. or the debian installer, etc |
| 02:35.03 | Samus_Aran | keith4_: thank you kindly, that's wonderful. I don't know how I missed that dpkg -S command, I've been through the man page a couple times. =p |
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| 02:35.20 | keith4_ | Samus_Aran: yah, it comes in handy when you're like "wtf is this file?" |
| 02:35.34 | TopBunny88 | apsupsd tells me it can't open the usb port that my ups is attached to? |
| 02:35.37 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: It may also work to just remove the argument on that line (so it just says "DEVICE" with nothing after it) but I removed it entirely |
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| 02:36.09 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: exact error message? |
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| 02:36.33 | TopBunny88 | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Back-UPS Pro 500/1000/1500 |
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| 02:36.44 | Wyzard | That's a line from lsusb, not an error message |
| 02:36.52 | hikenboot | hello all how do I perminently change the mtu and frame size on an interface? |
| 02:37.03 | hikenboot | thats using dhcp |
| 02:37.23 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: Cannot open UPS port : No such file or directory |
| 02:38.06 | hikenboot | also how do i reset the packet counters on the interface for some reason i have a huge frame and mtu size |
| 02:38.27 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: pastebin your config file |
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| 02:38.39 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: That looks like you somehow specified the empty string as the DEVICE |
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| 02:40.41 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/1283210 |
| 02:40.45 | Samus_Aran | keith4_: in this case I was trying to find out why one system had a file that the other didn't, couldn't figure out what package I needed |
| 02:40.49 | Samus_Aran | keith4_: thanks again |
| 02:40.54 | Samus_Aran | night |
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| 02:41.48 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: You have "UPSCABLE smart" and "UPSTYPE apcsmart" |
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| 02:42.03 | Wyzard | TopBunny88: I told you earlier, change them to "UPSCABLE usb" and "UPSTYPE usb" |
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| 02:44.26 | TopBunny88 | Wzard: with or with out the quotation marks? |
| 02:44.49 | Wyzard | without |
| 02:45.06 | Wyzard | Take a look at what's already written in the file |
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| 02:47.06 | Wyzard | oh, I see... you had changed the comment line "# UPSCABLE <cable>" to "# UPSCABLE <usb>" |
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| 02:47.08 | Wyzard | that comment line doesn't do anything; it's documentation |
| 02:47.08 | TopBunny88 | Wyzard: Cannot open UPS port : No such file or directory |
| 02:47.09 | Wyzard | pastebin the file again |
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| 03:09.07 | starke | hey all i need help |
| 03:09.19 | starke | i upgraded my kernel and now my sound doesnt work |
| 03:09.31 | starke | it worked fine out of the box |
| 03:10.27 | starke | i tried modprobe snd_ymfpc /dev/dsp |
| 03:10.34 | starke | but it doesnt work |
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| 03:12.06 | Wyzard | !doesn't work |
| 03:12.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 03:12.36 | Wyzard | Does snd_ymfpc fail to load? |
| 03:12.43 | starke | i tried modprobe snd_ymfpc /dev/dspnope |
| 03:12.49 | starke | woops |
| 03:12.58 | starke | i doesnt give an error messege |
| 03:13.05 | starke | it* |
| 03:13.09 | Wyzard | /dev/dsp doesn't go on the modprobe line |
| 03:13.18 | starke | ok |
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| 03:13.25 | Wyzard | After running modprobe, does lsmod show it as loaded? |
| 03:13.30 | Wyzard | Do you get messages in dmesg when it loads? |
| 03:14.10 | Wyzard | What program are you trying to play sound from? (Does it use ALSA or OSS?) |
| 03:14.40 | starke | ALSA |
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| 03:15.10 | starke | no dmesg |
| 03:15.12 | Wyzard | /dev/dsp is the OSS sound device and is completely irrelevant to ALSA |
| 03:15.14 | starke | ahh |
| 03:15.25 | cygnus_ | is testing become stable soon |
| 03:15.39 | Wyzard | ALSA provides OSS emulation through a module called snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:15.59 | Wyzard | so you need to load that too, for /dev/dsp to work |
| 03:16.04 | starke | so whats the proper way to modprobe it? |
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| 03:17.03 | zinx | most sound cards should be autodetected |
| 03:17.03 | Wyzard | indeed, you shouldn't need to load it at all |
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| 03:17.15 | starke | well something happened in the kernel upgrade |
| 03:17.16 | Wyzard | Does "lsmod" show snd-ymfpci loaded after a fresh reboot, before modprobing anything manually? |
| 03:17.30 | starke | i dont know |
| 03:17.36 | starke | but ill find out |
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| 03:17.45 | starke | any way to log the boot? |
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| 03:19.00 | Wyzard | You don't need to; just reboot, log in, and run lsmod |
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| 03:30.12 | starke | Wyzard, on boot up it said it couldnt probe and gave an error -2 |
| 03:30.12 | starke | on ym soundcard |
| 03:30.12 | starke | my* |
| 03:30.12 | Wyzard | so it recognized the card and tried to load the driver, but failed |
| 03:30.12 | Wyzard | Does lsmod show snd_ymfpci loaded? |
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| 03:30.12 | peteweez | I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to force mount to mount a VFAT partition and totally ignore case. Is this possible? |
| 03:30.13 | starke | Wyzard, yep its loaded |
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| 03:30.13 | Wyzard | starke: That's probably why you didn't get any dmesg output when you tried loading it manually; it was already loaded so modprobing it didn't actually do anything |
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| 03:30.13 | Wyzard | starke: dunno why it'd fail to initialize your sound card if it worked in the old kernel, though |
| 03:30.16 | Wyzard | starke: Check dmesg again (now that you've rebooted and the driver has freshly loaded) and paste the exact error message |
| 03:31.03 | xoz | peteweez: use r[elaxed] option... man mount |
| 03:32.01 | starke | pastebining now |
| 03:32.17 | peteweez | xoz: I tried mount [device] -o check=r [mountpoint], to no avail. |
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| 03:32.52 | xoz | peteweez: meaning it is still case sensitive? |
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| 03:33.23 | starke | http://pastebin.ca/1283243 |
| 03:33.26 | peteweez | xoz: yep |
| 03:34.51 | Wyzard | starke: The key line there is: firmware: requesting yamaha/ds1_dsp.fw |
| 03:34.52 | peteweez | xoz: I will try again, just to be sure. |
| 03:34.52 | Wyzard | starke: some binary-only firmware images that used to be distributed as part of the kernel have been split out and are now distributed separately |
| 03:34.52 | xoz | peteweez: actually even the normal option of check should be case insensitive |
| 03:35.01 | Wyzard | starke: looks like your driver is one of them; the newer kernel no longer contains the firmware image to upload to the hardware, and has to load it from a file |
| 03:35.04 | peteweez | xoz: Theoretically, since it is VFAT, yes. |
| 03:35.11 | peteweez | However, things don't always work as they should :-) |
| 03:35.58 | starke | so does that mean i have to compile kernel from scratch? |
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| 03:36.30 | Wyzard | starke: no, the idea is that firmwares are no longer built into the kernel; they're loaded from files instead |
| 03:36.47 | Wyzard | starke: You just need to get that ds1_dsp.fw file |
| 03:36.49 | starke | so how do i load it? |
| 03:36.49 | Wyzard | starke: I think there's a separate package with the firmware files that used to be part of the kernel, but I'm not sure what it's called |
| 03:37.51 | starke | would synaptic beable to help me? |
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| 03:40.46 | ArtVandalae | without having to setup RAID each time |
| 03:40.46 | starke | son of a |
| 03:40.47 | Wyzard | starke: sorry, search for "ymfpci" (you won't find the "snd_" prefix) |
| 03:40.47 | peteweez | Wyzard: Wanna bet Marillat might have it? |
| 03:40.56 | peteweez | He tends to have a lot of the stuff that offends the DFSG enough that packages.debian.org won't carry them. |
| 03:42.25 | Wyzard | peteweez: maybe, but I think of that as mostly stuff that Debian can't distribute due to DMCA concerns, e.g. mplayer... this is a case of GPL-compliance |
| 03:42.25 | peteweez | Oh true that. |
| 03:42.25 | peteweez | I'd bet someone somewhere has packaged it. |
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| 03:42.34 | xoz | peteweez: i think latest patch is case sensitive: http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/archives/linux-ia64/0406/10107.html |
| 03:43.24 | peteweez | xoz: So is this saying that I should attempt to override the charset through a mount option? |
| 03:43.28 | xoz | peteweez: maybe. |
| 03:44.23 | peteweez | What would be the appropriate charset? |
| 03:44.23 | peteweez | Any idea? |
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| 03:53.48 | pmo_ | hello guys.. i have a question related to.. this... evbug.c: Disconnected device: isa0060/serio1/input0 |
| 03:54.08 | Doctor-Steve | i have just got a new pc, installed Debian on it but it wont recognize the NIC.... its a driver issue but i cant find drivers anywhere for it... |
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| 03:54.15 | Doctor-Steve | wheres the best place to look? |
| 03:54.57 | peteweez | doctor-steve: could you give me a lspci |
| 03:54.57 | peteweez | ? |
| 03:55.07 | peteweez | You mean your ethernet card, right? |
| 03:56.07 | peteweez | I've dealt with that before...it's a mild hassle. |
| 03:56.09 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, where do i get it from? yea ethernet card :P |
| 03:56.09 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, where do i get the lspci from? |
| 03:56.09 | peteweez | should be installed already |
| 03:56.09 | peteweez | it's a core tool I think |
| 03:56.13 | peteweez | but I'm wrong a lot of the time |
| 03:56.13 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, do i just type in lspci? |
| 03:56.14 | peteweez | exactly |
| 03:56.14 | Doctor-Steve | i see... |
| 03:56.14 | Doctor-Steve | one sec :P |
| 03:56.15 | peteweez | see if it does anything |
| 03:56.23 | peteweez | It should give a readout of your hardware. |
| 03:56.41 | Doctor-Steve | yea... ive got an Unknown device 1969:1026 |
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| 03:56.45 | pmo_ | lspci | grep -i network |
| 03:56.51 | Doctor-Steve | under ethernet controller |
| 03:56.59 | peteweez | pmo_: mine does not say network |
| 03:57.04 | xoz | peteweez: iocharset=iso8859-7, try |
| 03:57.05 | peteweez | network is on the line for my wifi |
| 03:57.11 | peteweez | but not ethernet |
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| 03:57.18 | peteweez | xoz: k thx |
| 03:57.38 | peteweez | Doctor Steve: please paste the line with the unknown device. |
| 03:58.03 | Doctor-Steve | Ive got three Ethernet Controllers (its a smallish server, that requires redundant inet links), only one is unknown tho, other two are recognized... |
| 03:58.05 | Doctor-Steve | ill paste now |
| 03:58.12 | peteweez | please do. |
| 03:58.31 | zinx | unknown via lspci does not mean there isn't a driver for it loaded and working |
| 03:58.33 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, you may need that sort of driver atl1e.ko |
| 03:58.34 | Doctor-Steve | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Unknown device 1969:1026 (rev b0) |
| 03:58.48 | peteweez | xoz: Thanks it worked! |
| 03:58.52 | peteweez | You're awesome! |
| 03:59.00 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, whats that? |
| 03:59.15 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, any idea of the driver i need? |
| 03:59.17 | peteweez | Now how do I get it so that when debian automounts the ipod it sets that option? |
| 03:59.31 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: not a single clue |
| 03:59.37 | peteweez | it doesn't even give a manufacturer |
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| 03:59.48 | peteweez | Something's up... |
| 03:59.57 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, i can give u the manufacturer and such... its an inbuilt mobo one |
| 04:00.12 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, i just built this thing at 1:30amish last night :-P |
| 04:00.25 | peteweez | What brand is the mobo |
| 04:00.26 | peteweez | ah |
| 04:00.26 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, can you try modeprobe atl1 |
| 04:00.40 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, i meant atl1e |
| 04:00.55 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, so just modprobe atl1e? |
| 04:01.07 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, its an Asus P5KPL-CM mobo |
| 04:01.10 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, something should appear on dmesg.. |
| 04:01.38 | xoz | peteweez: use HAL: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/vfat-charset-mount-help-381047/ |
| 04:01.54 | peteweez | pmo_: He's missing the driver for the interface to his NIC, not the driver for the NIC itself, right? |
| 04:02.03 | peteweez | xoz: Thanks! |
| 04:02.05 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, your device... seem to be related to.. Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet |
| 04:02.16 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, when i type that command, FATAL: Module atl1e not found. |
| 04:02.29 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, that sounds about right :-P |
| 04:02.52 | pmo_ | peteweez, got the impression he didnt have the driver, as he said.. |
| 04:03.08 | peteweez | oh wait I see what's up |
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| 04:03.16 | Doctor-Steve | i dont have a driver installed ;P |
| 04:03.19 | Doctor-Steve | at all |
| 04:03.19 | peteweez | I googled 1969:1026 |
| 04:03.38 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: ever compiled your kernel before? |
| 04:03.41 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, then you might look in your kernel.. or.. gunzip /proc/config.gz | grep -i atl |
| 04:03.55 | Doctor-Steve | sick... i have never compiled a kernel b4 :P |
| 04:04.02 | starke | Wyzard, i cant find it |
| 04:04.03 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, then you might look in your kernel.. or.. gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep -i atl |
| 04:04.37 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, so just gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep -i atl? then anything else ? |
| 04:05.12 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, gunzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
| 04:05.25 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, will check out, if your kernel is compiled with the driver above mentioned.. Att... |
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| 04:05.44 | Doctor-Steve | ive had a lot of experience with setting up like LAMP, Postfix and such.... but not with the hardware side :P |
| 04:05.46 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, no config support :( |
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| 04:06.06 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_ so time to compile a new kernel? |
| 04:06.21 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_ would it help if i swapped from etch to lenny? |
| 04:06.39 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: It's really not that big of a deal...if you've set up LAMP, Postfix, etc. it's no big deal. |
| 04:06.46 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, maybe, i do usually do this by hand myself.. and i hardly rely on debian tools, if any, which should be the appropriate way to do :(.. |
| 04:06.50 | peteweez | configuring is the most annoying part |
| 04:07.01 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_ hehe :P |
| 04:07.19 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez pmo_, any good guides or links that can help me compile it easier? |
| 04:07.26 | Piper69 | i have an extra drive that i am trying to user for downloads i see it as /dev/hbd1 so i did mount -t ext3 /dev/hbd1 /root/Downloads/TV/ |
| 04:07.30 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, i dont know if it .. would help.. i just do things by hand.. usually |
| 04:07.33 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 04:07.45 | peteweez | that guide is so good that even I could follow it! |
| 04:07.45 | Piper69 | but it is not mounting it...what am i doing wrong |
| 04:07.51 | peteweez | And I'm a dumbass! ;-) |
| 04:07.51 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_ doesnt by hand take ages |
| 04:08.00 | Doctor-Steve | Piper69, whats the error your getting? |
| 04:08.02 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, make menuconfig.. go on driver / network 1000gb and .. atlantic.. last line about. |
| 04:08.05 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, better then me :P |
| 04:08.15 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, say that again :P |
| 04:08.34 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: just ask some of the guys who have been on here awhile about all the dumb stuff I've asked |
| 04:08.45 | Piper69 | peteweez: makes two of us :) |
| 04:08.51 | peteweez | haha |
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| 04:09.05 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, you need to go.. on linux kernel.. directory.. do make menuconfig.. then driver.. network.... 1000 related.. and attansic.. about last line |
| 04:09.11 | Piper69 | Doctor-Steve: telling me device can be given by name , lable .... |
| 04:09.57 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: What you want to do is download the latest stable kernel from kernel.org. Then follow that guide I gave you (as long as you run Debian). When you get to the configuration part, that's when you look for your driver. |
| 04:10.06 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, kernel directory? im going to have a quick raed up and ill ask questions once i know a bit more |
| 04:10.13 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez thanks :) |
| 04:10.51 | Doctor-Steve | i love linux, theres so much learning involved! which is a good point :P not like point and wizard windows :P |
| 04:10.51 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: if you follow those instructions, the resulting deb package will automatically update your GRUB menu |
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| 04:11.30 | peteweez | See the thing about Winblows is...everything works out of the box. But it doesn't necessarily work well. And if you want to change something, you usually don't have the option. |
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| 04:11.43 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, depends if you have time.. for a student that is ok, for a regular / normal user.. i dont think it is.. some people have work to do, and dont much care to learn computers.. |
| 04:11.44 | peteweez | But, to each his own. |
| 04:12.12 | peteweez | pmo_: Actually Debian seems to be much more user-friendly than it was before |
| 04:12.18 | peteweez | I used to run sarge |
| 04:12.21 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, im a kind of student, i work full time but i have LOADS of time at work to do things, im a remote techie (windows server and cisco based) so when nothing goes wrong i have time :P |
| 04:12.40 | peteweez | then when I got my new machine I got lenny...it works so much better |
| 04:12.41 | deadcat | i am trying to change the lcd string on my "rackable systems" but i dont know how to access it. |
| 04:13.02 | pmo_ | peteweez, when it comes to "linux".. i am not sure what you mean by "user friendly".. and to be honest.. advocate bullshit aside... Max, Windows are user friendly.. |
| 04:13.06 | peteweez | but with newer hardware it is very hard to find drivers...I only just got DRI on my videocard and my sound working |
| 04:13.32 | peteweez | pmo_: I mean I don't have to edit as many config files by hand as I used to |
| 04:13.41 | peteweez | Things are more...plug-n-play style |
| 04:13.47 | peteweez | but windows is easier |
| 04:13.53 | pmo_ | peteweez, but then i am more of a hacker then a regular user, and i hope .. i only have bad habit, which make thing more difficult then they are, but i am not sure i am the only one |
| 04:13.56 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_ peteweez, windows is a lot more user friendly, well dumbass proof, where linux is a lot more power user/sys admin friendly |
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| 04:14.20 | peteweez | See Windows is easier to use but it doesn't always make sense, if you know what I mean. |
| 04:14.24 | pmo_ | peteweez, yes.. it has improved.. but still far behind most commercial products in just too many aspect.. in my view |
| 04:14.46 | peteweez | And it tends to always suspect that you're trying to break it and restrict what you can do to it. |
| 04:14.50 | Doctor-Steve | the linux kernel is 48mb! |
| 04:14.50 | Doctor-Steve | whoa! |
| 04:14.52 | Doctor-Steve | hehehe :P |
| 04:14.57 | peteweez | that's not surprising |
| 04:15.10 | peteweez | pmo_: Regrettably, I must agree with you |
| 04:15.13 | peteweez | but it is catching up |
| 04:15.16 | stoned | peteweez, were you the one with radeonhd problems? |
| 04:15.18 | stoned | that one day |
| 04:15.20 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, yes.. linux is powerfull.. more professional, computer student, server oriendted then user |
| 04:15.21 | peteweez | yes I was |
| 04:15.25 | stoned | peteweez, hi |
| 04:15.27 | peteweez | stoned: hey |
| 04:15.28 | stoned | peteweez, have you had any luck? |
| 04:15.30 | Piper69 | what is the different between /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdb ? |
| 04:15.34 | peteweez | stoned: they released new catalyst drivers |
| 04:15.38 | peteweez | I hate using binary blobs |
| 04:15.40 | peteweez | but it works now |
| 04:15.41 | Piper69 | stoned: oy |
| 04:15.43 | stoned | peteweez, I'm never interested in Catalyst |
| 04:15.45 | peteweez | so I'm not about to complain |
| 04:15.53 | stoned | I love my radeon os driver |
| 04:15.59 | stoned | Piper69, hi |
| 04:16.01 | peteweez | oh are you the radeon dev I talked to on #radeon? |
| 04:16.11 | peteweez | I filed a bug report...I'm waiting to see what happens |
| 04:16.14 | Doctor-Steve | i just love being able to ssh into my headless linux box and use nmap, nessus, ping, traceroute and all those kind of tools instead of having to work with RDP and wait 40 mins for it too login and such.... |
| 04:16.19 | pmo_ | peteweez, i am not sure, it will ever catch up.. to be honest i think, it can't.. maybe ubuntu once will and then debian.. but it doesnt seem to be on debian / hacker culture to make finit products. |
| 04:16.40 | peteweez | haha that's true...things are always a work in progress |
| 04:16.51 | stoned | Piper69, do not msg me |
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| 04:16.55 | stoned | ask in the channel please. |
| 04:17.05 | Piper69 | sharmoot |
| 04:17.07 | Piper69 | :) |
| 04:17.07 | peteweez | stoned: here is the bug report, if it interests you http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18969 |
| 04:17.41 | stoned | Piper69, I don't appreciate being cursed out in Arabic. |
| 04:17.52 | Piper69 | hahahahah |
| 04:17.52 | stoned | Piper69, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 04:17.59 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: I meant to caution you to invoke the option in make-kpkg to generate an initrd |
| 04:18.03 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, do i need all of those dependencies? such as tk8.3 and libncurses5-dev or can i get away with gcc, fakeroot, kernel-package and such |
| 04:18.11 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, huh? |
| 04:18.12 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: If you don't make an initrd, you may fail to boot |
| 04:18.22 | Piper69 | stoned: whats wrong with you all grumpy like this today mate |
| 04:18.28 | stoned | I'm not grumpy |
| 04:18.37 | peteweez | errrm does anyone know of a good explanation of initrd's so that I don't have to type this all out |
| 04:18.46 | stoned | I'm just well, hungry really |
| 04:18.50 | peteweez | one of the bots, maybe? |
| 04:18.58 | stoned | but seriously, do you have a question ? |
| 04:19.06 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: dependencies? |
| 04:19.06 | pmo_ | peteweez, when talking about debian hacker culture, i do overstatement, i dont know much of "debian" culture, a little of history, no more.. but i just thing that on one way there is people enjoying hacking, they do for free, and they are unlikely to bother themself much and for long to please people.. and dig bugs.. and make finit products, they may well be fed up in the meantime.. either pay or go hell.. in some other words |
| 04:19.14 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: are they listed in the article? |
| 04:19.19 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, yea... |
| 04:19.39 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: gimme a minute to have a look, if you don't mind. |
| 04:20.11 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: you probably already have the dependencies |
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| 04:20.20 | peteweez | and if you don't, you'll find out soon enough... |
| 04:20.28 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, heheh thanks :) |
| 04:20.29 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, to compile you need tools.. |
| 04:20.37 | peteweez | I was able to compile a kernel pretty much fresh out of the install |
| 04:20.38 | Piper69 | if i have a dir /downloads/tv and i have /dev/hdb1 how can i mount it ...i did mount -t /dev/hdb1 /download/tv |
| 04:20.42 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, tk.. curses.. and more maybe part of it.. |
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| 04:21.11 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_ can i ask, would upgrading to Debian Lenny be easier? would it have support? |
| 04:21.12 | peteweez | pmo_: Yeah you're right...gcc isn't installed standard, is it? |
| 04:21.14 | kindofabuzz | does Debian have it's own server install or does it ask on install with reg iso? |
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| 04:21.18 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, you can try make xconfig.. if it works better (may need other tools) |
| 04:21.33 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: I don't know if upgrading would solve your problem or not. |
| 04:21.56 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez any way to tell? like is there a this is included in lenny drivers page somewhere? |
| 04:21.57 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: another thing I noticed about the article...at the risk of getting flamed, I recommend using the kernel.org sources |
| 04:22.02 | peteweez | not debian's packaged sources |
| 04:22.13 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: best way to tell... |
| 04:22.18 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: how new is the card? |
| 04:22.23 | peteweez | when was it first sold? |
| 04:22.32 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, fairly new, 6 - 12 months? |
| 04:22.34 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, lenny... others .. i dont know.. i am usually on testing.. but i still always build my own kernel, hence i dont know what kernel debian provide by default, the type of features and more.. |
| 04:22.43 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, im using the kernel.org source :P |
| 04:22.52 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: good! |
| 04:23.01 | starke | Wyzard, you still there? |
| 04:23.04 | peteweez | pmo_: the debian stock kernel tends to be rather large...they try to include all of the common drivers |
| 04:23.24 | peteweez | pmo_: unless it's an obscure part, it's probably included in the stock kernel |
| 04:23.33 | peteweez | but if it's newer, it might not be |
| 04:23.33 | pmo_ | peteweez, make sense, i suppose so, but atl1e.ko module doesnt seem to be there |
| 04:23.38 | peteweez | especially if he's running stable |
| 04:23.51 | peteweez | like he said, his card's new...maybe the driver's new too |
| 04:24.09 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, listen to peteweez he knows more then me about "debian" ;-).. |
| 04:24.24 | peteweez | pmo_: Now you're just sounding crazy |
| 04:24.27 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, can i cut out other drivers i wont need then to save space? |
| 04:24.40 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: you absolutely can and should do that |
| 04:24.51 | peteweez | that is one of the main benefits of compiling your own kernel |
| 04:24.55 | pmo_ | peteweez, according to numbers he gave me.. it seems related to .. attansic driver.. in kernel |
| 04:24.56 | peteweez | just don't cut out something you need |
| 04:25.00 | Wyzard | starke: I'm here, but I don't know where to find the non-free firmware for your sound card |
| 04:25.15 | peteweez | pmo_: when was that added to the kernel source tree? |
| 04:25.15 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez and other features? all i want this thing to do is be able to run Vmware, cause this machine is going to be the underlying OS, then im going to host 4 seperate virtual machines as servers :P |
| 04:25.38 | starke | Wyzard, im trying to download alsa-firmware from the alsa site |
| 04:25.39 | pmo_ | peteweez, it is on 2.6.26, dont know when added |
| 04:25.59 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: the kernel config isn't so much about what software you intent to run...more about what hardware you intend to run it on |
| 04:26.01 | peteweez | does that answer your question? |
| 04:26.04 | peteweez | pmo_: I remember getting that as a lenny package |
| 04:26.05 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, yes :) |
| 04:26.12 | peteweez | it may have been migrated to stable by now |
| 04:26.15 | peteweez | who knows |
| 04:26.20 | peteweez | well I could look it up :-P |
| 04:26.25 | peteweez | but I'm a lazy college kid |
| 04:26.32 | Wyzard | starke: If you find the file, put it in /usr/local/lib/firmware |
| 04:26.49 | starke | kk |
| 04:26.53 | starke | then what? |
| 04:27.01 | Wyzard | starke: Since the filename that the driver was looking for begain with "yamaha/", the file should probably actually go in /usr/local/lib/firmware/yamaha |
| 04:27.16 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: nah etch has kernel 2.6.26 |
| 04:27.17 | starke | Wyzard, and then what restart? |
| 04:27.36 | Wyzard | starke: just unload (rmmod or modprobe -r) and reload (modprobe) the driver; no need to reboot the whole machine |
| 04:27.40 | Doctor-Steve | and last but not least, im upgrading to 2.6.27.8, thats kk right? |
| 04:27.57 | starke | kk |
| 04:28.07 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: no wait I'm wrong I'm wrong!!! |
| 04:28.15 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: etch only has 2.6.18 |
| 04:28.32 | peteweez | so you very well might be able to solve your problem through a dist-upgrade |
| 04:28.35 | peteweez | if you so desired |
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| 04:28.48 | peteweez | lenny has 2.6.26 |
| 04:29.04 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, kool, if i completely crash the kernel ill do a dist-upgrade :P |
| 04:29.11 | pmo_ | seems attansic driver was there since.. 2.6.22 |
| 04:29.24 | peteweez | oh wait pmo_ could you tell me how to find out whether or not 2.6.18 has the kmod he needs? |
| 04:29.26 | bjorkLinux | is there any reason this machine will not permit ssh in and out? |
| 04:29.37 | peteweez | pmo_: never mind you just answered my question |
| 04:29.44 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: That's the spirit! |
| 04:29.55 | peteweez | pmo_: Where do you find that stuff out? |
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| 04:30.01 | bjorkLinux | i can do practically everything else ... ssh locally works, but i can't ssh out of this box or into this box. |
| 04:30.13 | pmo_ | grep -i atl linux-*/.config |
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| 04:30.24 | peteweez | bjorkLinux: maybe you're behind a router or NAT? |
| 04:30.34 | maximumHAX | anyone have a deb installer already built with ich9 support ? |
| 04:30.37 | bjorkLinux | peteweez, all the other machines do ssh just fine. |
| 04:30.46 | starke | Wyzard, gnome mixer still cant find it |
| 04:30.52 | bjorkLinux | and everything's on the same network. |
| 04:30.53 | pmo_ | peteweez, not available on 2.6.18 |
| 04:30.54 | starke | Wyzard, screw it imma reboot |
| 04:31.04 | peteweez | bjorkLinux: Interesting, which is to say that I have absolutely no idea. :-) |
| 04:31.07 | bjorkLinux | i can even do remote x sessions from here... so it's gotta be ssh. |
| 04:31.25 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, im up to section 4.2 of that guide, where it says to 'make xconfig' im getting errors tho... any other way to do it ? |
| 04:31.32 | peteweez | make menuconfig |
| 04:31.36 | peteweez | that's what most people do |
| 04:31.43 | peteweez | xconfig is...finnicky |
| 04:31.51 | Doctor-Steve | thanks :) |
| 04:31.51 | peteweez | you probably are missing some dependencies |
| 04:31.53 | peteweez | np |
| 04:32.04 | pmo_ | there is a kconfig i think |
| 04:32.17 | peteweez | bjorkLinux: Maybe #openssh might be able to better assist you? |
| 04:32.57 | pmo_ | yep, gconfig, but you will always need some tool |
| 04:33.08 | peteweez | yeah |
| 04:33.14 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, ok i dont know what to take out and add... am i only modifying the Device Drivers section? |
| 04:33.17 | peteweez | menuconfig is easiest because you just need curses |
| 04:33.33 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: hahahaha |
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| 04:33.43 | peteweez | Uhhh this is the part that takes about half an hour |
| 04:33.44 | peteweez | or more |
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| 04:34.04 | peteweez | The kernel has a s***-ton of option |
| 04:34.08 | peteweez | *options |
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| 04:34.35 | peteweez | I just went through and examined every menu |
| 04:34.44 | peteweez | somebody else might know a quicker way |
| 04:34.57 | Doctor-Steve | :) smile and go thro slow then :P |
| 04:34.57 | Doctor-Steve | lol |
| 04:35.03 | peteweez | yeah |
| 04:35.09 | Doctor-Steve | last question then ill piss off and read thro this |
| 04:35.10 | peteweez | I wish I had a better suggestion for you |
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| 04:35.26 | Doctor-Steve | its got either M for module or * for inbuilt do i want to set them up as inbuilt or Modules? |
| 04:35.30 | pmo_ | usually a "config.gz" helps :( |
| 04:35.31 | peteweez | pmo_: I don't think make config needs external tools...but who would want to do that? |
| 04:35.45 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: depends |
| 04:35.53 | peteweez | your drivers, you generally want as modules |
| 04:35.58 | Doctor-Steve | kk :) |
| 04:35.59 | peteweez | most things you want as modules |
| 04:36.00 | peteweez | BUT |
| 04:36.03 | pmo_ | peteweez, i usually do make oldconfig... but that is something else, and you must have a config file in hand |
| 04:36.23 | peteweez | things like filesystems...you want your main filesystem built in |
| 04:36.26 | Doctor-Steve | im just going to see if JUST adding all the 1GBPS modules helps.... then ill see if that works... if it does... ill modify another kernel :P |
| 04:36.32 | peteweez | DON'T make a module out of ext3fs |
| 04:36.51 | peteweez | pmo_: I would give him my .config |
| 04:37.06 | peteweez | pmo_: but it's so customized that I doubt it'd be of much use to him |
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| 04:37.44 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: there's where initrd's come in...if you need to load a module to access your hard drive, it has to be compiled into an initrd |
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| 04:38.02 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, ill start with the basics :P |
| 04:38.06 | peteweez | it's not as complicated as it sounds...mostly that's done automatically if you request an initrd from make-kpkg |
| 04:38.26 | pmo_ | peteweez, customized.. no good.. specific hardware.. specific kernel, unless a standard .config.. he should install debian kernel sources / package then set up / or check.. for attansic |
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| 04:38.41 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: But...lemme just say that if you compile your main file system as a module, I will laugh at you. |
| 04:39.03 | peteweez | pmo_: Yeah that's what I thought...I tailored it to my hardware |
| 04:39.06 | Serraphyn | this a bad thing if when install r5 my cdrom just keeps spinning? |
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| 04:39.50 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, ill give it a go and have a play with it and ill see how it goes :) |
| 04:39.59 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: Good luck. :-) |
| 04:40.02 | peteweez | It should work out fine |
| 04:40.11 | peteweez | just retain your old kernel so you have something to boot into. |
| 04:40.14 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, thanks for all the help :-) i finally have an idea of what to do :) |
| 04:40.23 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, thanks for your help too :) |
| 04:40.29 | peteweez | no problem...it feels really good to be the guy helping for once |
| 04:40.35 | peteweez | usually I'm the one asking the questions |
| 04:40.40 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, you are welcome |
| 04:40.50 | Doctor-Steve | LOL: On a 1GHz Pentium III the same packages built in 9 and 23 ½ minutes, I have a dual core 2.5GHZ with 2GB ram :P |
| 04:41.01 | peteweez | pmo_: I should thank you too...I still have a lot to learn about this stuff that you obviously already know. |
| 04:41.38 | peteweez | pmo_: Say I'm running kernel 2.6.27.8 and 2.6.27.9 is released and I download the sources...is that an instance where I would use make oldconfig? |
| 04:41.38 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, atheros ??? you heard that word ? |
| 04:42.41 | pmo_ | peteweez, you can always use it.. if there is some changes;. new stuff, it will ask you questions.. like in guantanamo, until you answer |
| 04:42.59 | peteweez | lmao |
| 04:43.18 | peteweez | how'd you know I'm an American? |
| 04:43.23 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, yea... |
| 04:43.32 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, i enabled ALL the 1GBPS drivers :P |
| 04:43.41 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, one of them has too work... |
| 04:43.49 | Doctor-Steve | pmo_, then ill narrow it down later |
| 04:44.06 | peteweez | Doctor-Steve: not necessary |
| 04:44.07 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, :) |
| 04:44.31 | peteweez | you only need to enable the driver that builds the package that pmo_ mentioned |
| 04:44.40 | peteweez | but you will do no harm by building additional packages |
| 04:44.45 | peteweez | it'll just take longer |
| 04:45.15 | Serraphyn | I'm trying to install debian on an old laptop, problem I'm having is that I am getting ide-cd: cmd 0x28 timed out |
| 04:45.31 | Serraphyn | hdc: DMA interrupt recovery |
| 04:45.40 | Serraphyn | hcd: lost interrupt |
| 04:45.42 | Serraphyn | er hdc |
| 04:45.54 | Serraphyn | is that a bad cd or is the cd drive dead? |
| 04:45.55 | pmo_ | Doctor-Steve, there is something about atl.. but atl2 not atl1, maybe unrelated and useless.. but well, maybe easier to setup.. see on .. "apt-cache search kernel | grep -i atld" output |
| 04:46.17 | Doctor-Steve | kk :) |
| 04:46.37 | pmo_ | Serraphyn, or disq getting hot.. |
| 04:47.08 | pmo_ | Serraphyn, oops ide-cd.. something else |
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| 04:48.31 | pmo_ | peteweez, i didnt know you were american, didnt look at it.. but yes, i want to see bush on court.. obama in office and workers in detroit, as soon as possible.. fighting bush politic since years now.. |
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| 04:50.01 | peteweez | pmo_: Excellent! |
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| 04:50.30 | pmo_ | Serraphyn, try to disable dma, or such things;. |
| 04:50.44 | Serraphyn | ide=nodma? |
| 04:50.59 | Serraphyn | I just did that and restarted, waiting to see |
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| 04:51.58 | Serraphyn | IT gets the part where its searching for debian installation media.... and starts to do that same error again |
| 04:52.30 | pmo_ | peteweez, i will just tell you one thing, due to my family i know things.. well i could see myself.. and just want to tell you.. to guess something was going on prior to 9/11 was as easy as to walk in streets.. |
| 04:52.54 | peteweez | pmo_: You are preaching to the choir. |
| 04:53.18 | pmo_ | peteweez, :) you knew that ? |
| 04:53.58 | peteweez | pmo_: this probably needs to go in #offtopic but yeah I didn't know what was going on prior |
| 04:54.10 | peteweez | but afterwards it was clear that there was intel that was ignored |
| 04:54.28 | peteweez | I couldn't have known beforehand...the feds should have. |
| 04:55.19 | pmo_ | peteweez, the problem, is.. and i am a fair man, myself, i can't say, it has been "ignored" on purpose.. or not.. if you see what i mean |
| 04:55.31 | peteweez | sort of |
| 04:55.56 | peteweez | It could have just been incompetence |
| 04:56.27 | pmo_ | peteweez, maybe.. but there is too much to tell, it may have not.. |
| 04:56.41 | peteweez | I doubt I'll ever know. |
| 04:56.59 | pmo_ | secret service declassified document, related to 9/11 attack --> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266291,00.html http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/France_knew_of_and_told_CIA_about_al-Qaeda_hijack_plans_prior_to_9/11 http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041707J.shtml translation of http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3224,36-896448@51-892780,0.html (a serious newspaper) |
| 04:57.05 | peteweez | Are you American as well? |
| 04:57.19 | pmo_ | peteweez, no i am french.. |
| 04:57.24 | peteweez | Ah bien sur |
| 04:57.39 | peteweez | Maintenant il faut que je fasse mes devoirs de francais :-) |
| 04:58.02 | pmo_ | peteweez, but my father is retired french officer.. and he could guess something was going on, one year before 9/11.. because he knows arabic, and i was with him, when it happened.. |
| 04:59.02 | Serraphyn | I took apart a USB CDRW drive and attached an IDE Hard drive to use as a USB hard drive :) |
| 04:59.06 | pmo_ | peteweez, c'est un bon francais :) pas une seule faut :) |
| 04:59.07 | Serraphyn | I'm proud it works :) |
| 04:59.54 | peteweez | Pas une seule faut? Qu'est-ce que vous voulez dire? |
| 05:00.01 | pmo_ | Serraphyn, with a USB / IDE cable, i suppose ? |
| 05:00.25 | pmo_ | peteweez, you made no mystake, writing the french sentence, i meant |
| 05:00.42 | peteweez | ah haha J'ai ete confus |
| 05:01.11 | pmo_ | peteweez, i did one, myself :) faut = faute :) |
| 05:01.23 | peteweez | oh I understand now |
| 05:01.30 | peteweez | that's why I got confused :-) |
| 05:01.54 | pmo_ | peteweez, sorry |
| 05:02.18 | peteweez | pas de probleme |
| 05:03.06 | peteweez | Si je meilleur savais le francais, je n'aurais pas ete confus. |
| 05:03.50 | peteweez | Ugggh my final is going to have a lot of sentences about Si + l'imparfait + le conditionnel |
| 05:03.54 | pmo_ | peteweez, c'est tres tres difficile de connaitre tres bien une langue, il faut faire des erreurs, il faut essayer pour progresser |
| 05:04.10 | peteweez | Ouais, mon prof toujours dit cela. |
| 05:04.55 | peteweez | Alors, j |
| 05:05.02 | peteweez | stupid enter key |
| 05:05.18 | pmo_ | peteweez, si je meilleur savais = si je connaissais mieux (but the first thing, about any language, is first to be understood, which is already a good thing, not all people do) |
| 05:05.57 | peteweez | wait so connaitre can be used to describe knowledge of a language? |
| 05:06.14 | Guerin | #debian-fr loves you long time |
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| 05:06.21 | pmo_ | peteweez, yes connaitre = i know |
| 05:06.36 | peteweez | i thought it was only used with people |
| 05:06.55 | peteweez | Guerin: sorry offtopic I know |
| 05:06.56 | pmo_ | peteweez, not only |
| 05:07.13 | peteweez | Guerin: I'll leave soon anyway...I have to write my French paper |
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| 05:12.32 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, hehehe "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 05:12.32 | Doctor-Steve | " |
| 05:12.45 | peteweez | oh crap |
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| 05:12.58 | peteweez | ummm did you compile your filesystem driver? |
| 05:13.02 | peteweez | maybe your missing that |
| 05:13.41 | Doctor-Steve | probably not... who cares... burning Lenny now :P |
| 05:13.50 | Doctor-Steve | always good to have an exit strategy :P |
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| 05:14.08 | peteweez | yep! |
| 05:14.12 | Serraphyn | works with a USB cable |
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| 05:14.35 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, im not worried i have all my data on 2 seperate sets of 500GB harddrives :P |
| 05:14.46 | peteweez | good thinking |
| 05:14.51 | peteweez | I wish I had your foresight |
| 05:14.59 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, so i can wipe this piddly little 250GB a billion times and wouldnt care :P |
| 05:15.45 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, im a windows admin, i deal with harddrive, software and even complete system failure on a day to day basis... after a while you learn to plan for disasters :) |
| 05:16.04 | peteweez | lmao that's one of the funniest things I've heard all night!] |
| 05:16.23 | Doctor-Steve | hehehe :) |
| 05:17.17 | Serraphyn | why will my Damn Small Linux cd work but the 3 debian cd's I just burned it keeps hanging up on |
| 05:17.19 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, cisco routers are my fav tho... ive had 2 disasters in almost 3 years of working with them! and one was that the RAM failed in it, which was a $150 ebay replacement and a TFTP backup, the other was a password recovery cause i typed an incorrect password into it :P |
| 05:17.52 | bluethundr | getting a strange bounce when I try to mail myself from my work address to my postfix setup at home |
| 05:17.54 | bluethundr | http://paste.debian.net/23437/ |
| 05:18.00 | peteweez | Isn't cisco basically what everyone uses? |
| 05:18.18 | peteweez | I found out that my school uses it while I was wiresharking the network |
| 05:18.19 | Serraphyn | good networks |
| 05:18.47 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, anyone in large businesses yes :P |
| 05:18.47 | bluethundr | here's a grep of my mail logs for my work email address |
| 05:18.47 | bluethundr | http://paste.debian.net/23439/ |
| 05:18.59 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, sounds like your work addresses SMTP server is denying you |
| 05:19.18 | bluethundr | oh really! wonder why it would be doing that! |
| 05:19.35 | bluethundr | like it thinks that I'm _sending_ spam from my work email addy?!? |
| 05:19.44 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, hmmm.... something like that :P |
| 05:20.03 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, its usually spam filters.... make sure your whitelisted on all! |
| 05:20.05 | bluethundr | wow... fucking paranoid fucking fuckheads! |
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| 05:20.42 | bluethundr | yeah, I will attempt to do so |
| 05:20.43 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, sounds like it :P |
| 05:20.45 | bluethundr | hahaha |
| 05:21.21 | bluethundr | 'what I can't figure out is how my little toy home mail server could've gotten onto my works spamalicious blacklist! |
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| 05:21.38 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, they probably block EVERYTHING but... a select few domains |
| 05:21.42 | bluethundr | interesting |
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| 05:22.06 | bluethundr | oddly though, I can _send_ _to_ my work email address with impunity now that I have a static IP |
| 05:22.12 | mr_flea | Is it possible to use DHCP on one or more interfaces when used with interface splitting (something like eth0 is dhcp, eth0:0 is static, and eth0:1 is static?) |
| 05:22.33 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, so you can send to your work addy, but not receive from your work addy? |
| 05:22.46 | bluethundr | exactamundo! |
| 05:23.04 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, maybe your home server blocks it? |
| 05:23.39 | bluethundr | that's what I'm thinking may be the case, but I'm at a loss to figure out why |
| 05:23.51 | Serraphyn | bluethundr, I'll take a stab at this, your work SMTP server does not allow outside relaying to domains not directly controlled by the SMTP server. As somone stated before you'd need a secure smtp login or a whitelisted IP to be able to do this with an SMTP server. |
| 05:23.51 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr have you got a spam filter? |
| 05:23.53 | bluethundr | they don't like me asking these questions in the postfix room because they are very anti-debian there! :)) |
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| 05:24.01 | Doctor-Steve | Serraphyn, good point :P |
| 05:24.07 | bluethundr | not yet that's my next project |
| 05:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, don't see why not, why don't you just try it :) it's not so much different from two real interfaces |
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| 05:24.42 | mr_flea | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried it on a remote server and lost access for a month before I could go over and fix it, but it might have been my config file syntax. :/ |
| 05:24.43 | Serraphyn | And no-relay SMTP servers will accept mail for the domain they are setup on(as they should) |
| 05:24.49 | bluethundr | serraphyn: intteresting |
| 05:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, heh... well, try it at home first :) |
| 05:25.17 | Doctor-Steve | bluethundr, im going to agree with Serraphyn, didnt thinmk of that ibt :P |
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| 05:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, I can't imagine why this should be any different than having lan and wlan... |
| 05:25.36 | bluethundr | yeah, this is a good theory |
| 05:25.53 | Serraphyn | I'll guarentee thats the problem bluethundr |
| 05:26.09 | Serraphyn | God i'm gonna install win98 on this laptop if it doesn't start working soon |
| 05:26.11 | bluethundr | nice! thanks for zeroing in! |
| 05:26.15 | mr_flea | CutMeOwnThroat: Aren't wide-area and local-area usually kept on different interfaces? (or at least, shouldn't they be?) |
| 05:26.33 | bluethundr | I couldn't get ANY action on this problem in the postfix room! |
| 05:26.46 | Serraphyn | gasps ... Did... I ... help.. someone... OMG |
| 05:26.52 | bluethundr | hahaha |
| 05:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, I meant one wireless one wire network ... |
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| 05:27.00 | JyZyXEL | "/usr/bin/skype": not in executable format: File truncated |
| 05:27.06 | JyZyXEL | why does gdb say that? |
| 05:27.12 | Serraphyn | I'm like the uber debian noob, I leave here usually cause people yell at me for being stupid |
| 05:27.15 | mr_flea | CutMeOwnThroat: But then you have two interfaces, not a single interface with aliases |
| 05:27.15 | dasunt | I have a zip file that was created on windows, and has ISO-whatever filenames. |
| 05:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, "less /usr/bin/skype"? |
| 05:27.21 | dasunt | Need to unzip that on unicode and keep the data. |
| 05:27.32 | dasunt | Er, need to unzip that on my system (unicode) and keep the data. |
| 05:27.34 | dasunt | Suggestions? |
| 05:27.37 | JyZyXEL | CutMeOwnThroat dude, its a binary file |
| 05:27.41 | dasunt | Might be a UTF16-to-UTF8 problem. |
| 05:28.12 | mr_flea | JyZyXEL: have you looked at "file /usr/bin/skype"? |
| 05:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, yes, of course... what I'm saying is, that I can't see a difference for dhcp if it's a ... virtual interface or a real one |
| 05:28.21 | Serraphyn | JyZyXEL: did you see if its +x ? |
| 05:28.37 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 05:28.40 | JyZyXEL | its a normal 32-bit LSB executable |
| 05:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, dude, then it's strange :) I'd say try reinstalling |
| 05:28.54 | bluethundr | so, if I have this straight, if I establish a secure SMTP server with something like SASL my toy home email server will receive mail from my work email server |
| 05:28.54 | Serraphyn | JyZyXEL: on a 32 or 64 system? |
| 05:28.59 | JyZyXEL | 32 |
| 05:29.08 | mr_flea | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm. I guess I'll test it now. If I don't return, expect the worst. ;) |
| 05:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, heh... do it on a local machine... you don't have to use the ...............gorn |
| 05:29.57 | Serraphyn | bluethundr, sounds like you need to setup a pop3 fetch to d/l your work email to another email server |
| 05:30.17 | Serraphyn | JyZyXEL: Have you tried just reinstalling the package?(sorry if you have and that comes across wrong) |
| 05:30.27 | JyZyXEL | i just downloaded the newest binary from skypes site |
| 05:30.40 | bluethundr | well, my main concern is this.. if my work email flags my server as spam, how many others are out there that come to the same conclusion? |
| 05:30.43 | Serraphyn | perhaps a bugged binary file? |
| 05:30.50 | JyZyXEL | perhaps |
| 05:30.59 | bluethundr | having work mail send to my home mail is not a productivity concern |
| 05:31.20 | Serraphyn | bluethundr, what your asking about and what you want to do seems like 2 different things |
| 05:31.47 | bluethundr | oh, sorry for the cognitive divergence |
| 05:31.48 | JyZyXEL | what a crappy piece of useless crap |
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| 05:32.17 | bluethundr | my main thing is that I want to be able to send and receive from the universe |
| 05:32.18 | Serraphyn | If you want to setup an SMTP server at home your gonna need valid domain attached to it to send email to other servers |
| 05:32.21 | bluethundr | so my thinking is this |
| 05:32.33 | bluethundr | ah! |
| 05:32.40 | Serraphyn | bluethundr, but if your wanting to recieve mail from work in an auto-foward fashion that would be a setting at work. |
| 05:33.02 | bluethundr | ah, I think I follow you now |
| 05:33.27 | Serraphyn | SMTP is a transport agent to send email and recieve it(please guys chime in if I talk out my ass here) and to recieve anyone will send it to your smtp server if it is addressed correctly(usually) |
| 05:33.33 | bluethundr | and I think by valid domain you are referring to my site certificate? |
| 05:34.07 | Serraphyn | But to have another SMTP server recieve from your server, due to spammers most servers require a FQDRL to occur that states you are not on a blacklist |
| 05:34.10 | bluethundr | my certificate is not signed as of right now |
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| 05:34.35 | Serraphyn | cert really doesn't have squat thats for webserver(I think) what you need is bluethundr.com |
| 05:35.35 | Serraphyn | then whem you SMTP server connects to another SMTP server(like work) it will have a reverse DNS on it like mail.bluethundr.com |
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| 05:35.42 | bluethundr | well, the thing that makes me think the cert has to do with email is that when I setup pop clients from other platforms like mac the client complains about the site cert not being signed |
| 05:35.52 | Serraphyn | And 9 outta 10 times it should allow you to send email(long as it allows yoru server) but most servers do not relay for anyone even domains. |
| 05:35.56 | bluethundr | but that's probably another whole bailywick |
| 05:36.42 | Serraphyn | mostlikely |
| 05:37.07 | Serraphyn | but like I said your probably talking to the ubernoob of #debian |
| 05:37.33 | bluethundr | haha.. thanks, but I think I am the owner of that title |
| 05:37.43 | bluethundr | I realize this problem is rather newb |
| 05:37.43 | Serraphyn | don't make me hit you with a tac hammer |
| 05:37.48 | bluethundr | hahaha |
| 05:38.34 | Serraphyn | I am one of the few girls in my peer group that liked Chris Farley |
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| 05:39.03 | bluethundr | Chris Farley was genius! |
| 05:39.06 | Serraphyn | David Spad wasn't that bad also |
| 05:39.09 | Serraphyn | er spade |
| 05:39.19 | Serraphyn | I guess my laptop is gonna run DSL |
| 05:39.23 | Serraphyn | cause thats all that will load |
| 05:39.24 | bluethundr | "In a vaaaan down by the river" |
| 05:39.38 | bluethundr | Damn Small Linux? |
| 05:39.42 | Serraphyn | yup |
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| 05:40.04 | bluethundr | nice.. my alternate distos include arch and puppy linux |
| 05:40.06 | Serraphyn | I've done like 4 CDs of Debian and nothing will load |
| 05:40.22 | Serraphyn | Puppy CDs wont even start up right GFX is hosed |
| 05:40.42 | Guerin | puppy is bullshit |
| 05:40.54 | Guerin | no use in judging debian on that basis |
| 05:41.10 | Guerin | dsl is fairly decent, for its purpose, but it's not a long-term OS |
| 05:41.18 | Guerin | and is just somewhat poorly supported |
| 05:41.18 | bluethundr | #postfix says the same thing about debian. ;) |
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| 05:41.32 | Guerin | bluethundr: says what? |
| 05:41.45 | bluethundr | I was _strenuously_ encouraged to move away from debian and to slackware |
| 05:41.50 | mr_flea | CutMeOwnThroat: It works. I'm pretty sure I was missing a "auto eth0" |
| 05:42.11 | bluethundr | I was especially lambasted for running lenny |
| 05:42.17 | Serraphyn | Guerin, I have a Mobile Pentum II 233MMX with 64MB Ram, 4G Hard Drive, 100mb NIC, and 4x CDROM(might be 8x) |
| 05:42.18 | Guerin | bluethundr: yeah, that's just because the sort of people who code for MTAs are control feak luddites |
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| 05:42.30 | Serraphyn | Guerin, don't know many OS that will run on it |
| 05:42.30 | bluethundr | hahaha |
| 05:42.33 | Guerin | Serraphyn: ah yeah, that's a fairly decent candidate for dsl, then |
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| 05:42.54 | Guerin | Serraphyn: debian will. But the problem will be your choice of window managers and gui software |
| 05:43.06 | bluethundr | okay, I'm out. g'night deb! |
| 05:43.11 | Guerin | g'night |
| 05:43.18 | Serraphyn | Guerin, only problem I have with DSL is that it doesn't seem to detect USB drives |
| 05:43.21 | Serraphyn | Night Blue |
| 05:43.31 | Guerin | hm, it should |
| 05:43.47 | Guerin | but now you run up against one of the problems with DSL - poor support |
| 05:44.55 | dmoerner | use tiny core |
| 05:44.58 | Serraphyn | Guerin, I'm probably gonna go back to win98 on it, works okay I guess, just ... windows when I could use linux |
| 05:45.47 | Doctor-Steve | peteweez, works! |
| 05:45.47 | dmoerner | Serraphyn, it's a redesign of DSL from the ground up by the same dev with 2.6 kernle |
| 05:45.55 | Serraphyn | Tiny Core? |
| 05:47.36 | Serraphyn | I'm on the website now, thanks dmoerner |
| 05:47.40 | Serraphyn | I'll d/l and install it |
| 05:48.02 | Guerin | g'luck |
| 05:48.08 | Serraphyn | I"m so giddy |
| 05:48.16 | Serraphyn | I got 3 monitors coming on Saturday |
| 05:48.31 | Guerin | goddamnit, I'm waiting for a fucker to email me about a lens |
| 05:48.34 | Serraphyn | a 17" for my second on main PC, and my linux box will have duel 15" |
| 05:48.51 | Guerin | and waiting for a supplier can get me a 13w3 cable for mah dirty big Sun monitor |
| 05:48.58 | Guerin | then I'll be sweet. |
| 05:49.14 | Guerin | but i hate this waiting buisiness |
| 05:49.54 | Serraphyn | the 17" is a CRT cause I'm gonna double it as my TV |
| 05:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea, :) |
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| 05:51.49 | Serraphyn | ooh Tiny Core has a nice start up graphic |
| 05:52.13 | Serraphyn | I know I'm easily impressed, diamonds work too :P |
| 05:52.28 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | as long as you pay me a good price for the diamonds... |
| 05:53.53 | Metatron | where can i add some modprobe commands before X starts |
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| 05:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, you normally add modules to /etc/modules |
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| 05:54.34 | Metatron | will those load before X starts? im looking at that file now |
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| 05:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, and run update-modules |
| 05:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | X starts late anyways |
| 05:55.09 | Metatron | ok |
| 05:55.56 | nullboy | which runlevel should i pass to the bootloader if i want to start a system in CLI mode that normally starts up X/graphical mode? |
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| 05:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, ls /etc/rcS.d/*mod* /etc/rc2.d/*[gxk]dm* |
| 05:56.46 | nullboy | for slackware it is 3 for CLI mutli user and 4 for X multiuser mode but i'm having a hard time determining which rl in debian is multiuser CLI mode |
| 05:56.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, gdm starts lots earlier than kdm or xdm |
| 05:57.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that's weird |
| 05:57.31 | Guerin | nullboy: 2-5 are identical in debain. 2 is default multiuser; 3-5 are for your own use./ |
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| 05:57.36 | Guerin | (for whatever you like) |
| 05:57.55 | Guerin | there is no distinction between cli and gui by default |
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| 05:58.21 | nullboy | Guerin: can you point me in the right direction for a way to tell the system to start in mutliuser cli mode or am i looking at this wrong? |
| 05:58.22 | Metatron | i have an old ati rage card, i need modules mach64 and drm loaded before anything needs graphics, so te /etc/modules is ok? also need some sound card moduels to load |
| 05:58.54 | Guerin | nullboy: the default is multiuser cli mode. If it's starting a dm and you don't want it to, tlel it not to do so. |
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| 05:59.09 | mhymn_ | btw 'update-modules' is an obsolete command (as manpage says) |
| 05:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already said 'yes', shall I repeat it? |
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| 06:00.00 | fatpat | list -min 20 |
| 06:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, doh, you got a point there |
| 06:00.21 | mhymn_ | :P |
| 06:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, nice that it doesn't say what you should use |
| 06:01.35 | mhymn_ | right |
| 06:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... perhaps nothing? |
| 06:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. |
| 06:02.25 | mhymn_ | i guess so |
| 06:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | should say in that file what you have to call |
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| 06:03.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, great, /etc/modules.conf says "look at the files in /etc/modutils and read the manpage for update-modules." |
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| 06:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Metatron, well, forget about update-modules... seems I'm still living in 2.4 kernel times |
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| 06:13.08 | Serraphyn | >.< this is frustrating me like nuts |
| 06:13.28 | Serraphyn | I get TCL to start up but I have like 2 colors |
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| 06:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | everytime I use some... gtk(?) program (gimp, iceweasel, inkscape) and start typing a full path in the "Location" field, the program feezes up for a couple of seconds before it shows what I type |
| 06:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's trying to autocomplete? |
| 06:25.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea what might be wrong? |
| 06:25.22 | xoz | does /lastlog <handle> |
| 06:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's handle? |
| 06:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:25.59 | xoz | handle = CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 06:26.20 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: what about gnome-terminal? |
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| 06:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's gnome-terminal :) |
| 06:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, I don't have it installed |
| 06:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | at first I thought it's just an iceweasel thing... but same with gimp, same with inkscape |
| 06:28.35 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean location in iceweasel? |
| 06:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | not the url |
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| 06:29.26 | ekontsevoy | If I ssh into a box, launch some program there and close my terminal, will that SSH session continue to live? |
| 06:29.29 | xoz | do you mean in the: file://home/...? |
| 06:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | when you see your downloads-list and right-click a file to open it, you can choose a program to open it with... and type a filename for a new program |
| 06:29.38 | mhymn_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you use kde? |
| 06:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a location field |
| 06:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mhymn_, no! |
| 06:29.43 | xoz | ekontsevoy: use screen |
| 06:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | just plain fvwm2 |
| 06:30.10 | ekontsevoy | xoz: no, I have ncurses-based torrent client running htere and I closed my terminal. Will it die? |
| 06:30.31 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: ekontsevoy yep |
| 06:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, you're talking in tongues now? :) |
| 06:31.14 | ekontsevoy | Hm... how should I launch it to make sure it runs on its own? |
| 06:31.21 | xoz | ekontsevoy: aptitude install screen |
| 06:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ekontsevoy, as they said.. use screen |
| 06:31.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ekontsevoy, if the program produces no output, you can just send it to the background |
| 06:32.00 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean CTRL-L for location in iceweasel? |
| 06:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it does produce output, it'll be stopped... |
| 06:32.04 | ekontsevoy | xoz: I use screen every day, I don't see how screen makes a difference... |
| 06:33.05 | xoz | ekontsevoy: execute screen... inside screen.. ssh to server... run xclient. detach from screen.. |
| 06:33.25 | xoz | ekontsevoy: if you logout, that is a problem... you can use vnc. |
| 06:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, no, I meant some obscure choose-the-program-to-open-this-downloaded-file menu in iceweasel - but you can open a similar freezing one with ctrlpO |
| 06:33.34 | ekontsevoy | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it's ncurses-based bittorrent client, it constantly is showing you progress of your uploads/downloads... I wonder how can I run it all the time. |
| 06:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, eh? ssh inside screen?! he needs to run screen on the server side |
| 06:33.55 | ekontsevoy | xoz: yes, I log out :) In fact I want to turn my laptop off and go to bed, letting my server download all night |
| 06:34.21 | ekontsevoy | CutMeOwnThroat: having a screen session on the server via ssh will prevent my session from dying when I disconnect? |
| 06:34.22 | mhymn_ | ekontsevoy: rtfm of screen please! |
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| 06:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ekontsevoy, you ssh into the server, run screen there and start the client - when you detach, the output still goes to screen and the program thinks it's ok |
| 06:34.40 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: yah/ screen on the other side.. ekontsevoy |
| 06:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it's trying to recusively look up things to make ana autocomplete-suggestion for me... and then it takes bloody ages to parse the 5000 files in /usr/bin |
| 06:36.10 | xoz | ekontsevoy: i think better use vnc |
| 06:36.11 | ekontsevoy | CutMeOwnThroat: got it, thanks |
| 06:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 06:36.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got it |
| 06:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:36.43 | enouf | dumbass |
| 06:36.49 | enouf | :-) |
| 06:36.53 | xoz | ekontsevoy: vnc4server |
| 06:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls: cannot access /mnt: Host is down |
| 06:37.03 | ekontsevoy | xoz: the serve has no X |
| 06:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a stale smb mount... |
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| 06:37.23 | JyZyXEL | so is opie the OTP system for debian? |
| 06:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so when it's trying to autocomplete, it freezes until some timeout lets it continue |
| 06:38.01 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: that's a naughty bug |
| 06:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course... so everytime I type a full path, it starts with '/' and so it ran into the stale mount |
| 06:38.55 | xoz | ekontsevoy: your program on the remote is not running X? |
| 06:39.06 | TopBunny88 | Stale mounts stink like smelly garbagecans. |
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| 06:39.26 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i also see; otp - Generator for One Time Password |
| 06:39.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course I never noticed - how often do you do "ls -l /" |
| 06:39.33 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: i think you can also run screen then ssh |
| 06:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, no! |
| 06:39.50 | enouf | see what ~$ apt-cache search one time password otp |
| 06:39.53 | enouf | says |
| 06:39.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, of course you *can*, but it doesn't make sense |
| 06:40.21 | xoz | ah, you mean running several programs... |
| 06:40.40 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: but you can run screen,ssh,screen.. haha |
| 06:40.41 | enouf | just remember - 'One man's trash is another man's treasure' |
| 06:40.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean when you switch off your laptop, it doesn't matter if you ran ssh within screen or not |
| 06:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, sounds like a quote from the "king of the golden river" |
| 06:41.18 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, i missed the switching off part. |
| 06:41.27 | xoz | !qotd0 |
| 06:41.28 | dpkg | hmm... qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
| 06:41.39 | TopBunny88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.47 | enouf | nah, it's just that saying "sucks smelly hairy ass" sounds so much better :-P |
| 06:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, and when you disconnect the laptop from the network, it also doesn't matter if you ran ssh inside screen |
| 06:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | TopBunny88, you can run xterm in screen... |
| 06:42.44 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: ok. the very reason screen was created. run it to the target system, and leave/logout |
| 06:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 06:43.11 | TopBunny88 | I kne that all ready CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never used it, though :) |
| 06:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I actually should, damn me |
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| 06:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | never thought of running pine inside screen |
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| 06:43.59 | xoz | s/pine/mutt :) |
| 06:44.03 | TopBunny88 | Why would you waste resources by replicating an xwindows session anyways CutMeOwnThroat ? |
| 06:44.17 | ekontsevoy | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, I have disconnected/reconnected and I see screen running in ps -e, but how do I bring that screen session into foreground? fg 13200 says 'invalid PID' even though that's what ps reports for screen |
| 06:46.13 | xoz | ekontsevoy: screen -r |
| 06:46.14 | enouf | ekontsevoy: you fg a job, not a PID, |
| 06:46.15 | ekontsevoy | screen -r |
| 06:46.25 | ekontsevoy | found it... ahhr |
| 06:46.27 | ekontsevoy | thanks! |
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| 06:47.09 | ekontsevoy | enouf: how do I list currenly running jobs? I never used fg with a parameter before. |
| 06:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did you actually detach from it? |
| 06:47.24 | TopBunny88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.24 | enouf | 'jobs' |
| 06:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you can just close the xterm / kill ssh? |
| 06:47.34 | xoz | wah. that's funny |
| 06:47.35 | ekontsevoy | CutMeOwnThroat: ctrl-a d, then exit in ssh shell |
| 06:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah.. I *said* I never actually used it :) |
| 06:48.00 | xoz | ekontsevoy: then just screen -r to reattach |
| 06:48.01 | enouf | ekontsevoy: type 'help jobs' (for some info) |
| 06:48.11 | mhymn_ | !win ekontsevoy |
| 06:48.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, ekontsevoy! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 06:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx :) |
| 06:48.13 | ekontsevoy | thanks guys |
| 06:48.17 | ekontsevoy | gotta reboot... |
| 06:48.30 | xoz | !fire ekontsevoy |
| 06:48.30 | dpkg | I'm sorry, ekontsevoy, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
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| 06:48.35 | enouf | !reboot |
| 06:48.35 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 06:48.41 | TopBunny88 | better yet type man jobs and read al about jobs management |
| 06:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late... stop playing with the bot, guys |
| 06:49.30 | enouf | !gothsmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:49.31 | dpkg | puts on black lipstick and a spiky dog collar and sings Dead Can Dance songs in CutMeOwnThroat's ear, off key, while drinking red wine from a crystal goblet. |
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| 06:50.43 | TopBunny88 | !gothsmite enof |
| 06:50.43 | dpkg | puts on black lipstick and a corset and sings Graveworm songs in enof's ear, off key, while drinking red wine from a crystal goblet. |
| 06:50.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that actually doesn't sound too bad :) |
| 06:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | got her phone number? |
| 06:51.21 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap enof |
| 06:51.21 | dpkg | bitchslaps enof around the room |
| 06:51.44 | xoz | !boobs |
| 06:51.44 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 06:52.03 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap xoz |
| 06:52.04 | dpkg | bitchslaps xoz around the room |
| 06:52.08 | enouf | feels sorry for ... someone named "enof" |
| 06:52.14 | xoz | yep |
| 06:52.18 | enouf | TopBunny88: ok .. you can stop now |
| 06:52.42 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap TopBunny88 |
| 06:52.42 | dpkg | bitchslaps TopBunny88 around the room |
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| 06:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, wonderful - ssh host screen -r doesn't work, but ssh -t host screen -r does |
| 06:53.03 | enouf | TopBunny88: please play with the bot in PM .. thanks |
| 06:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 06:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | endless hours of fun awaiting you... off you go |
| 06:53.40 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you've confined it to the console /dev |
| 06:53.45 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:53.45 | dpkg | bitchslaps CutMeOwnThroat around the room |
| 06:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | TopBunny88, in PMs please! |
| 06:54.22 | xoz | !right bitch |
| 06:54.22 | dpkg | no more spankingz please! |
| 06:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you mean? |
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| 06:55.03 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the -t option, iirc |
| 06:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, -t forces tty allocation |
| 06:55.55 | enouf | i guess i meant -T :-p |
| 06:56.13 | TopBunny88 | ):( |
| 06:56.23 | enouf | s/meant/was thinking of |
| 06:56.52 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap enof |
| 06:56.53 | dpkg | bitchslaps enof around the room |
| 06:56.55 | enouf | and -t forces 'psuedo' tty allocation (think pts) |
| 06:57.22 | xoz | notes that someone is suffering from alzheimer |
| 06:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I guess I'll give it a try... I always ran xterm -e ssh host -t "killall pine;pine" from the fvwm2rc menu |
| 06:57.41 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap xoz |
| 06:57.42 | dpkg | bitchslaps xoz around the room |
| 06:57.42 | enouf | and missed their daily meds |
| 06:58.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos meds |
| 06:58.16 | enouf | misspelled pseudo earlier :-) |
| 06:59.01 | TopBunny88 | !right bitch |
| 06:59.01 | dpkg | no more spankingz please! |
| 06:59.11 | TopBunny88 | not |
| 06:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | TopBunny88, STOP |
| 06:59.23 | enouf | someone ban this fool |
| 06:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... eerie night |
| 07:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "<-- Lifeform has quit ()" ... and there are people who don't believe in evolution... |
| 07:00.47 | TopBunny88 | !bitchslap CutMeOwnThroat |
| 07:00.47 | dpkg | bitchslaps CutMeOwnThroat around the room |
| 07:01.21 | TopBunny88 | Early mornings are me my inner ass whole shines |
| 07:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | pre-puberty must be horrible |
| 07:01.21 | xoz | adds another one in the /ignore list |
| 07:01.38 | enouf | right - into the bozo box you go ... |
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| 07:02.50 | dpkg | bitchslaps neobarn around the room |
| 07:02.54 | stew | TopBunny88: stop |
| 07:03.11 | stew | TopBunny88: please keep it on-topic, enough fun with the bot |
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| 07:05.25 | rera | if i have 2 internet connections working, (eth0 and wlan0) how does that work? |
| 07:05.36 | rera | my main problem is that internet is not working for me |
| 07:05.43 | rera | but if i turn off eth0 then it does |
| 07:05.47 | TopBunny88 | I am sory, can go alittle overboard at times (and yes i have taken my medications.). |
| 07:05.54 | kevin7kal_ | rera: it's a routing issue |
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| 07:06.22 | xoz | rera: route -n and check your gateway |
| 07:06.24 | rera | kevin7kal_: yes i guessed on that, could you perhaps explain it to me a little, or perhaps show me somewhere i could read about it? |
| 07:06.27 | rera | oh thanks :) |
| 07:06.49 | rera | xoz: i cant do it now, cos if i connect eth0 irssi will worj |
| 07:06.50 | rera | work |
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| 07:07.14 | rera | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 |
| 07:07.14 | rera | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 |
| 07:07.14 | rera | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 07:07.20 | rera | just those 3 lines |
| 07:07.55 | kevin7kal_ | rera: you didn't 'guess on that'. you would not be asking if you did |
| 07:08.47 | enouf | rera: pkill avahi-daemon |
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| 07:08.54 | rera | kevin7kal_: i guessed on it being a routing issue since if i plugg in the eth0 the wlan0 stopps working, it makes sense that the connections are going to the wrong place. i dont see why you felt the need to comment on that though. |
| 07:09.02 | enouf | !zeroconf |
| 07:09.03 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 07:09.03 | rera | enouf: what is avahi-daemon |
| 07:09.28 | enouf | hit the man page for details |
| 07:09.31 | rera | enouf: how will turning that off fix the problem |
| 07:09.36 | rera | enouf: ok |
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| 07:09.41 | kevin7kal_ | rera: I feel the need because you obviously think that routing has to do with which cable you have plugged in |
| 07:09.56 | rera | no but which eth/wlan is up |
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| 07:10.08 | rera | plugging in the cable brings up eth0 |
| 07:10.16 | kevin7kal_ | duhhhhh |
| 07:10.17 | rera | which interferes with my wlan0 traffic |
| 07:10.17 | xoz | rera: eth0 and wlan0 are both directly connected to internet? |
| 07:10.22 | rera | no, only wlan0 |
| 07:10.28 | rera | eth0 is a local thing |
| 07:10.33 | enouf | turn off != unplugging the cable |
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| 07:10.51 | amigo | Hi mans! Can't find pata kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 modules for lenny. Where I can find it? |
| 07:11.00 | rera | enouf: yes or bringing the eth0 down |
| 07:11.07 | enouf | (although .. it can be construed as such .. sure) |
| 07:11.22 | rera | i think this is using that ifup thing, that is why "pulling the cable" turns it off |
| 07:11.35 | enouf | well stop unplugging cables, that' silly .. |
| 07:11.40 | rera | hehe |
| 07:11.49 | rera | yes it is, but that is how i isolated the problem |
| 07:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, similar things came up here often enough so I can say you need two routing tables... but I've never done that myself |
| 07:12.11 | rera | intenret just stopped working and pulling out the cable fixed the issue. but you are right it is silly |
| 07:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... did you try pulling the power supply? |
| 07:12.12 | enouf | !shared access |
| 07:12.19 | ralhersanthu | yeah i know :D |
| 07:12.31 | rera | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, two routing tables |
| 07:12.54 | rera | ive never heard of that |
| 07:12.55 | kevin7kal_ | two or three, who's counting |
| 07:12.59 | rera | i will read up on it |
| 07:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, ha, I'm not right |
| 07:13.11 | ralhersanthu | Do it! |
| 07:13.13 | ralhersanthu | :D |
| 07:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, sorry, your case is easier... what IPs do the computers in the local lan have? |
| 07:13.31 | kevin7kal_ | RT --- ummm, what's the rest? |
| 07:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, 192.168.1.0, you said |
| 07:14.11 | enouf | i guess i meant <split access> .. but i'm not sure that's even what he wants |
| 07:14.50 | rera | ok so all i want is that the box i am running on should keep the internet connection |
| 07:15.00 | kevin7kal_ | rera: are you using debian linux or ubuntu? |
| 07:15.11 | rera | no matter if i connect a eth0 or not |
| 07:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, wrong 169.254.0.0 |
| 07:15.15 | enouf | rera: do you know what mdns is? does eth0 work correctly when wlan0 is down? |
| 07:15.15 | rera | on that machine i am running debian |
| 07:15.37 | rera | enouf: yes it works correctly |
| 07:15.45 | rera | i do not know what mdns is, i would think a dns daemon |
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| 07:15.58 | enouf | !mdns |
| 07:16.09 | enouf | oh boy .. heh |
| 07:16.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, haha... actually, I think the routing table you showed should work ok - you just have to prevent that another gateway entry is added for eth0 |
| 07:16.19 | rera | ah |
| 07:16.24 | rera | CutMeOwnThroat: that makes perfect sense |
| 07:16.26 | kevin7kal_ | rera: are your eth0 and wlan0 on the same network? and I don't mean cables |
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| 07:17.08 | kevin7kal_ | CutMeOwnThroat: his eth0 showed the default ip address, so it's not plugged in |
| 07:17.08 | enouf | you can only have one default gateway rera - so see /etc/iproute/rt* IIRC |
| 07:17.08 | rera | kevin7kal_: wlan0 is a wifi network, and no they are not on the same network, the one is connected to the internet, the otherone is connected to a local network |
| 07:17.08 | kevin7kal_ | the cable that is |
| 07:17.08 | rera | vut i think CutMeOwnThroat is correct |
| 07:17.14 | rera | enouf: ok i will |
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| 07:17.19 | kevin7kal_ | rera: yeah - wlan0 usually is |
| 07:17.22 | rera | thank you guys :) |
| 07:17.51 | kevin7kal_ | rera: 'connected to the internet' can mean anything |
| 07:18.14 | enouf | rera: do you want combine eth0 and wlan0 to share/use one internet connection? or .. you want them isolated? |
| 07:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, true - are your other computers in the lan having IPs like169.254.x.x? |
| 07:18.15 | ralhersanthu | o yeah man... thats right |
| 07:18.29 | kevin7kal_ | yeah |
| 07:18.39 | rera | no all are on 192.168. |
| 07:19.00 | enouf | rera: kill avahi dead :-) |
| 07:19.01 | ralhersanthu | youre welcome rera :) |
| 07:19.06 | kevin7kal_ | rera: so show us the routing table from the machine your talking about |
| 07:19.25 | rera | enouf: that would not really matter, i think in the end i would want to have them both runnign but i would be happy with just getting one to run |
| 07:19.30 | enouf | netstat -tunap as root - see it? |
| 07:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, so the lan is the same network as the wireless? |
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| 07:19.35 | kevin7kal_ | rera: do you have static ip addresses? |
| 07:19.47 | enouf | rera: ok, you win |
| 07:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, why then would eth0 not be able to use the same router? |
| 07:19.54 | kevin7kal_ | rera: or is eth0 static? |
| 07:19.58 | rera | CutMeOwnThroat: i will try removing that default gateway perhaps its just that simple |
| 07:20.07 | kevin7kal_ | rera: it can use the same ip |
| 07:20.15 | xoz | rera: you can try traceroute remoteserver with and without eth0... check the route ips if there are changes |
| 07:20.37 | enouf | and you won't answer questions, so i'll stop asking ;-) |
| 07:20.41 | kevin7kal_ | dahhhh ---- eth0 can be on the same network as wlan0, just can't use the same bcast |
| 07:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... all shout at rera at the same time |
| 07:20.59 | rera | i am getting oversupported |
| 07:21.01 | rera | :) |
| 07:21.10 | xoz | dpkg, shout |
| 07:21.10 | dpkg | HELLO HELLO DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME? OHHH I AM SO LONELY PLEASE HELP ME PLEEEEASE!!! ... HELLO? DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME? |
| 07:21.17 | rera | hehe |
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| 07:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | we don't have a supportsmite yet :( |
| 07:21.29 | rera | i have gotten alot of tips from you guys i should be able to sort this out now |
| 07:21.38 | rera | and i had a read on man route |
| 07:21.50 | xoz | rera: focus on the routing table. |
| 07:21.53 | rera | and it explained alot, so i think i should be able to do it myself |
| 07:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | just come back when it's busier :-P |
| 07:22.19 | rera | xoz: ok i will, that is basically the part of networking i dont understand very well yet |
| 07:22.22 | rera | :) |
| 07:22.28 | rera | thanks again |
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| 07:23.20 | rera | enouf: ok avhi thing is not running |
| 07:23.27 | rera | so it cant be that |
| 07:23.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why does the lan switch not have access to the internet? |
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| 07:24.14 | rera | well, right now i just want to access the other box, it does not need internet, but to give it a internet connection is a NATing issue |
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| 07:24.29 | xoz | rera: yep. simple NAT |
| 07:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how so? |
| 07:24.53 | enouf | rera: well .. that 169.254.x.x is usually related to it ... but ok then |
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| 07:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean - it seems wireless and lan are actually the same network? |
| 07:25.07 | rera | but thats a different problem to wha ti am having, for me its now that when i connect another network (eth0) my internet connection (wlan0) stopps getting the requests and they end up somewhere on eth0 instead |
| 07:25.12 | rera | im really bad at explaining |
| 07:25.13 | xoz | rera: or you can install dynamic routing |
| 07:25.47 | rera | enouf: how do you mean, what is 169.254.x.x i have never used those |
| 07:25.56 | enouf | rera: scroll up |
| 07:25.57 | rera | xoz: that sounds automagic |
| 07:26.08 | xoz | rera: yep, your eth0 has 169... |
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| 07:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, if you also want to be over-howto'd, you could go there: http://lartc.org/howto/ |
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| 07:26.24 | enouf | !split access |
| 07:26.34 | enouf | !test |
| 07:26.41 | enouf | she's offline .. ok |
| 07:27.19 | enouf | tries some other bots :-P |
| 07:27.44 | rera | i just got the idea for the best addon for irssi; it cats the irssi log and gives me only enouf messages |
| 07:28.06 | rera | its hard to find one person among alot of text |
| 07:28.20 | xoz | rera: /lastlog enough |
| 07:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm shutting up now, as there's... too many cooks |
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| 07:28.27 | enouf | it's a bit easier with colored nicks atleast |
| 07:28.27 | dpkg | split access is, like, when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 07:28.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:28.41 | enouf | oh ... heh |
| 07:28.49 | enouf | !where were you? |
| 07:28.49 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 07:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, try "/lastlog enouf" |
| 07:29.05 | rera | hey :D |
| 07:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | xoz, enough? |
| 07:29.11 | xoz | CutMeOwnThroat: haha |
| 07:29.15 | rera | CutMeOwnThroat: cool thanks :D |
| 07:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that was in #debian-bots |
| 07:29.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt will be aching for days... |
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| 07:30.16 | enouf | badgers would be bowlegged? |
| 07:30.20 | enouf | hides |
| 07:30.26 | rera | i used to have a badger |
| 07:30.39 | kevin7kal | lol |
| 07:30.40 | rera | my brother got me one as a xmas gift a few years back |
| 07:30.46 | enouf | fiercesome critters they are |
| 07:30.46 | rera | they found him in the forest |
| 07:30.51 | kevin7kal | badgers? badgers? we don't need no stinking badgers! |
| 07:31.01 | rera | he had been bitten in the arse and had a infection |
| 07:31.23 | rera | so my brother got me this certificate which says i ownz a badger and they send me updates on him |
| 07:31.25 | enouf | he backed into the wrong hole? |
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| 07:31.29 | rera | and he got released back into the wild |
| 07:31.36 | enouf | cool |
| 07:31.36 | rera | enouf: no someone bit him |
| 07:31.39 | kevin7kal | rofl |
| 07:31.41 | enouf | someONE? |
| 07:31.47 | rera | like his mamma or brother |
| 07:31.55 | rera | im not a badgerologist |
| 07:31.56 | kevin7kal | someone bit the badger? |
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| 07:32.02 | rera | in the arse yes |
| 07:32.07 | kevin7kal | llama's |
| 07:32.17 | rera | whipps |
| 07:32.22 | xoz | badgers are cannibals |
| 07:32.25 | kevin7kal | llamas make better pets than badgers |
| 07:32.29 | rera | xoz: seriously? |
| 07:32.35 | enouf | no |
| 07:32.59 | kevin7kal | badgers are badgibals, actually |
| 07:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, screen doesn't do what I want as well as my previous solution, though |
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| 07:33.26 | kevin7kal | screen sucks |
| 07:33.37 | xoz | rera: don't feed them... you'll see |
| 07:33.38 | rera | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmericanBadger.JPG#filehistory |
| 07:33.42 | rera | screen sucks? |
| 07:33.45 | rera | :O |
| 07:33.59 | kevin7kal | HERETIC!!! |
| 07:34.11 | kevin7kal | llamas are your friends |
| 07:34.11 | rera | what is better then screen?! |
| 07:34.25 | kevin7kal | rera: no screen |
| 07:34.33 | kevin7kal | screen sucks |
| 07:34.37 | rera | :O |
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| 07:34.44 | enouf | xoz: that would apply to just about any animal .. including humans .. or was that the point of the nonsense |
| 07:34.45 | kevin7kal | HERETIC@@ |
| 07:34.45 | rera | so what do you do when you ssh to somewhere and the connection dies |
| 07:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ssh -t c screen -r" only works when there's no other one attached to screen, so I tried "ssh -t c screen -r" - but that doesn't start up a new pine when there is no screen running yet |
| 07:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | rera, he's just trolling, ignore him |
| 07:34.59 | Assid | if im reloading the os. is it suggested to move to lenny atm |
| 07:35.02 | kevin7kal | ummmm, I don't do that |
| 07:35.06 | Assid | its a production box |
| 07:35.13 | rera | kevin7kal: well then, mr troll |
| 07:35.16 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: seen dtach.sf.net yet? |
| 07:35.17 | kevin7kal | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I'm not |
| 07:35.21 | xoz | enouf: animal instinct |
| 07:35.26 | kevin7kal | nohup |
| 07:35.32 | kevin7kal | ohhhhh |
| 07:35.40 | rera | xoz: is it animal instinct to eat someone on a dare? |
| 07:35.41 | kevin7kal | but you can't rehup |
| 07:36.08 | enouf | someone dared you to bite your pet? |
| 07:36.20 | rera | eating my pet would not be cannibalism |
| 07:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, a chinese tradition |
| 07:36.38 | enouf | reconfigures the story line, plot and outcome :-P |
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| 07:37.11 | enouf | on a similar note, my nephew in the sunshine state slammed into a 300lb black bear not long ago |
| 07:37.28 | kevin7kal | I'm just wondering if rera has figured out the netwonking issue yet, or not |
| 07:37.33 | simonrvn | so is the car totalled, and the bear unscathed? |
| 07:37.49 | enouf | simonrvn: the exact opposite |
| 07:38.05 | enouf | bear == dead , car == not totalled ... odd i know |
| 07:38.14 | kevin7kal | enouf: did he get to keep the bear? |
| 07:38.21 | enouf | no way |
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| 07:38.30 | enouf | it's on the Endangered Species list |
| 07:38.43 | enouf | shame - i hear they are quite tasty |
| 07:38.47 | kevin7kal | enough: the car is endangered? |
| 07:38.51 | enouf | not to mention the rug |
| 07:39.05 | enouf | kevin7kal: try tab-completion ;-) |
| 07:39.12 | rera | bears are sweet |
| 07:39.20 | xoz | bear meat is tasty, oh dear. |
| 07:39.26 | rera | oh deer |
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| 07:39.30 | kevin7kal | enouf: so the park ranger keeps the rug? |
| 07:39.33 | JyZyXEL | !friday |
| 07:39.33 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 07:39.39 | xoz | loves deermeat |
| 07:39.49 | rera | tardsday? |
| 07:39.54 | Assid | okay is lenny recommended for a new box being rolled out today |
| 07:39.58 | kevin7kal | enouf: tab completion is endangered? |
| 07:39.58 | enouf | bingo - he works for that Gov of Illinois; Blagojevich :-P |
| 07:39.58 | xoz | yehey |
| 07:40.11 | rera | would have been funnier if tardsday was a anagram for friday |
| 07:40.31 | kevin7kal | rifday? |
| 07:40.39 | enouf | Assid: well . it's not 'Stable' yet .. so .. |
| 07:40.52 | rera | lenny makes me think about the simpsons lenny more then toystory lenny |
| 07:40.53 | enouf | Assid: you'd likely want to setup a test box |
| 07:41.06 | rera | if i ever make a dist i will use the simpsons characters |
| 07:41.07 | Assid | true.. but the packages are so out of date.. makes you wonder |
| 07:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that's canny - you can also use it to share one tty |
| 07:41.25 | xoz | Assid: depends on your requirements... is it for critical/national security purpose? |
| 07:41.35 | rera | ^^ |
| 07:41.38 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: nice eh? |
| 07:41.42 | rera | "is it for critical/national security purpose?" |
| 07:41.49 | Assid | my choices are ubuntu server or deb.. but i would prefer updated packages |
| 07:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I'm impressed :) thx |
| 07:42.04 | Assid | am reloading cause box got compromised |
| 07:42.04 | enouf | np |
| 07:42.14 | pipcookie | Question: Debian lenny; ATI Radeon; fglrx; how-to? |
| 07:42.19 | rera | Assid: may i ask how? |
| 07:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, and the -A option works as well |
| 07:42.39 | xoz | Assid: what is context of your usage? personal? business? hobby? |
| 07:42.42 | rera | pipcookie: there should be like a gazillion howtos on that |
| 07:42.48 | Assid | rera: seemed to be a dictionaryu attack on ssh. atleast the logs show an attack while it was on.. then i see the root logged in |
| 07:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, heh, you don't by chance know a way to open two different mails in pine as well? |
| 07:43.00 | Assid | xoz: business.. |
| 07:43.03 | rera | Assid: ah :( well dont use passwords!! |
| 07:43.11 | enouf | !tell pipcookie about fglrx |
| 07:43.20 | rera | Assid: ssh keys are way better |
| 07:43.22 | Assid | rera: the one and only server which didnt have ssh certificates :*( |
| 07:43.24 | xoz | Assid: yes, use keygen |
| 07:43.28 | rera | Assid: :( aww |
| 07:43.38 | Assid | and was sitting ont he native port |
| 07:43.49 | pipcookie | enouf, Sauvin says "hi" and "thank you" |
| 07:44.01 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: not offhand |
| 07:44.12 | enouf | pipcookie: cool beans - and hola! ;-) |
| 07:44.30 | rera | ok time for me to play |
| 07:44.41 | rera | thanks guys for the help |
| 07:44.53 | Assid | considering ubuntu keeps taking things off from debian.. |
| 07:44.55 | Assid | i was considering using that instead |
| 07:45.13 | Assid | dont wanna touch redhat based stuff.. i find their directory structure funny |
| 07:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpm is a good laugh, too |
| 07:45.41 | Assid | and oh yeah.. i do plan to run openvz |
| 07:45.51 | Assid | yeah |
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| 07:45.58 | Assid | so.. wanna stick to deb based |
| 07:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fondly remembers the many hours fulfilling dependencies himself on those long, boring winter evenings |
| 07:46.13 | Assid | so im still stuck between etch, lenny and ubuntu server |
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| 07:46.18 | Sweetandy | I want to put an xterm button in my fluxbox menu. Will this deactivate auto updates for the debian menu in my menufile? |
| 07:46.23 | Assid | CutMeOwnThroat: fondly ?? |
| 07:46.40 | Assid | seriousky? |
| 07:46.49 | Assid | you had your hands down your pants? |
| 07:47.15 | Assid | i bought suse.. 4 days later.. REMOVED |
| 07:47.30 | Assid | needed it for another company i was deploying linux at |
| 07:47.44 | Assid | okay so im still stuck at deciding |
| 07:48.16 | JyZyXEL | i can't find an OTP tutorial for debian :( |
| 07:48.32 | xoz | Assid: for server, i suggest debian than ubuntu |
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| 07:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, thanks, that's really cute... should behave much better on losing connections (although pine doesn't lose mails) |
| 07:49.41 | Assid | xoz: between lenny and ubuntu ? |
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| 07:50.14 | Assid | i mean i only ran deb servers.. and ubuntu desktop/laptop installations.. server wise.. maybe ubuntu vps node |
| 07:50.18 | Sweetandy | What a fool I am. Just read the menu files for all the info I need. |
| 07:50.40 | xoz | Assid: in the long run, lenny. |
| 07:50.51 | pipcookie | The fglrx one-liner, for the most part, seems well enough, but I get the complaint "xserver-org is not installed and no info is available" when doing the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org" phase of it. What gives? |
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| 07:51.15 | Sweetandy | Manual manual manual... ; ) |
| 07:51.18 | Sweetandy | I'm so cool |
| 07:51.24 | Assid | ok.. |
| 07:51.35 | Assid | waiting for the DC to finish the os reload.. |
| 07:51.36 | Sweetandy | talkin' to myself |
| 07:53.46 | pipcookie | enouf, you there? |
| 07:53.54 | Assid | xoz: on its own lenny is pretty decently stable ? |
| 07:53.57 | xoz | pipcookie: what is the command you use? |
| 07:54.01 | enouf | pipcookie: using lenny? |
| 07:54.23 | xoz | Assid: it is getting there. check its bts for the bug count. |
| 07:54.33 | enouf | pipcookie: (either way) install xorg |
| 07:55.17 | pipcookie | xorg is already installed and is the latest version. The command I used is the one-liner dpkg (the bot) supplies for installing fglrx. |
| 07:55.45 | pipcookie | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.48 | enouf | ok - so if using lenny, that command is .. er .. no longer available |
| 07:56.01 | xoz | Assid: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 07:56.08 | JyZyXEL | god damn i ran out of opie passwords and now i can't remember how to update this |
| 07:56.09 | pipcookie | Grr. How then is the xorg.conf file updated to use fglrx? |
| 07:56.17 | enouf | Xorg does autoconfig in Lenny - but you can hand edit the xorg.conf - man xorg.conf |
| 07:56.29 | Assid | crap thats alot of bugs |
| 07:56.31 | enouf | Driver "fglxr" ? |
| 07:56.33 | xoz | pipcookie: xserver-xorg-[something] |
| 07:56.38 | pipcookie | I did that already for the touchpad, but have no idea how to do that for fglrx. |
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| 07:56.57 | Assid | err wait a sec |
| 07:57.12 | Assid | Number concerning the current stable release: 779 Number concerning the next release: 161 |
| 07:57.18 | Assid | less bugs in lenny than etch ? |
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| 07:57.32 | Assid | err *known* |
| 07:57.32 | StarkD | is it possible to install Debian in VMware as a guest OS or similar and mount Windows NT 6.0.6002 (i.e. Vista SP2) NTFS fiel system in Debian? |
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| 07:57.44 | enouf | sure |
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| 07:57.53 | enouf | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:57.53 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 07:58.08 | StarkD | enouf: thanks! |
| 07:58.10 | xoz | Assid: etch is stable.. it should have less |
| 07:58.22 | Assid | the link you provided says otherwise |
| 07:58.28 | pipcookie | apt-get lists a bazillion "xserver-org-{something}" |
| 07:58.31 | Assid | 779 / 161 |
| 07:59.10 | xoz | Assid: Total number of release-critical bugs: 1345 |
| 07:59.17 | Octalot | Assid: those include "same ancient version in Lenny and Etch that doesn't compile with Lenny's version of the compiler" |
| 07:59.19 | enouf | pipcookie: the info given you is incorrect - AFAIK |
| 07:59.20 | xoz | Assid: from http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 08:00.05 | Assid | okay so im still stuck |
| 08:00.18 | enouf | pipcookie: there are pkgnames that begin like that, but as i said, no reconfigure util as is in Etch;s X - might look at xrandr as well though |
| 08:00.26 | Assid | i wonder if theres a bug count on ubuntu i can compare against |
| 08:00.27 | Assid | :P |
| 08:00.50 | enouf | !rc bugs |
| 08:00.51 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 08:00.53 | pipcookie | There IS an X configurator thingie, I've seen references to it, but don't remember what it is. |
| 08:01.34 | enouf | pipcookie: maybe X-configure .. but i think that too is gone .. and it'll only supply you with a base/plain xeog,conf |
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| 08:02.06 | pipcookie | So noobs like me can't enable 3d acceleration for x under lenny yet? |
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| 08:03.35 | Assid | needs someone to tell him what to do.. im too screwed in the head |
| 08:03.35 | enouf | ~$ strings /usr/bin/Xorg | grep -i '\-configure' |
| 08:03.47 | enouf | sure you can ... just do it ;-) |
| 08:03.59 | Assid | etch is just too old.. i honestly thought lenny would be up by november :( |
| 08:04.33 | stoned | hey |
| 08:04.38 | stoned | I have a problem |
| 08:04.40 | xoz | Assid: if you are running a server, etch is not that old |
| 08:04.46 | enouf | you always do |
| 08:04.48 | enouf | :-p |
| 08:04.57 | xoz | Assid: unless your idea of a server is a laptop server |
| 08:05.03 | stoned | I have a directory with a lot of other directories in it which have like other ones in it and they have more inside them |
| 08:05.14 | stoned | like a tree |
| 08:05.19 | stoned | with pictures |
| 08:05.24 | kunwon1 | like some sort of directory tree |
| 08:05.24 | enouf | try mmv and tree |
| 08:05.24 | Assid | xoz: haha.. nah.. well.. i need openvz.. and i gotta use the packages openvz provides on a really old kernel |
| 08:05.32 | Octalot | as if by magic, an RC bug on Sarge appears :( (the Grub+XFS one) |
| 08:05.51 | enouf | ugh |
| 08:05.51 | stoned | how can I generate a listing of each file ? |
| 08:05.58 | kunwon1 | ls |
| 08:06.04 | stoned | like for example the filenames are 1.2.3.4.jpg etc. etc. |
| 08:06.07 | enouf | find . |
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| 08:06.10 | stoned | but seriuosly |
| 08:06.12 | enouf | ls -R ? |
| 08:06.14 | stoned | I'm gonna hurt you |
| 08:06.27 | stew | !tell stoned about enter |
| 08:06.44 | stoned | ahhh fuck this |
| 08:07.00 | xoz | Assid: what is the latest backported kernel in etch? |
| 08:07.08 | kunwon1 | stoned, you're welcome |
| 08:07.10 | stew | stoned: "info find" |
| 08:07.18 | Assid | 2.6.18-12-fza-686-bigmem |
| 08:07.24 | pipcookie | does a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:07.27 | stoned | I know which tools to use |
| 08:07.32 | enouf | xoz: .26 |
| 08:07.40 | kunwon1 | stoned, then what's the question |
| 08:07.43 | Octalot | stoned: then why are you asking us |
| 08:07.49 | stoned | Octalot, go away. |
| 08:07.52 | xoz | enouf: that is recent |
| 08:07.53 | stoned | kunwon1, hang on |
| 08:08.05 | stoned | kunwon1, the directory names are what contains the names |
| 08:08.25 | stoned | kunwon1, I wish to make a list of all the files, but generte the filename from the direc name |
| 08:08.38 | stoned | does that make sense? |
| 08:08.39 | enouf | xoz: not really .. but ok - i think backports became part of official in r4? |
| 08:08.45 | robr | I'm currently using stable with PHP 5.2.0 etch 13. I would like to move to a more recent version of PHP. I've been using apt-get and I like that. Would the best method of upgrading be to move to testing? |
| 08:08.48 | kunwon1 | stoned, no |
| 08:09.12 | enouf | i don't know what the heck i'm talking about - but there has been a .26 in there for a while |
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| 08:09.43 | kunwon1 | stoned, you want to create filenames that don't exist? |
| 08:09.50 | xoz | Assid: enouf said backport has .26 |
| 08:10.01 | kunwon1 | stoned, take the name of a directory and add an extension? I don't understand at all |
| 08:10.04 | pipcookie | ARGH... |
| 08:10.05 | enouf | stoned: i see now .. |
| 08:10.34 | enouf | kunwon1: prepend the dir name ot each filename contained within it |
| 08:10.39 | enouf | s/ot/to |
| 08:10.50 | Assid | !backports |
| 08:10.50 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 08:11.07 | stoned | kunwon1, ok let me rephrase. There is /gallery/artis1/year1/file1-10.jpg /gallery/artist1/year2/files1-10.jpg /gallery/artist2/year1/files-10.jpg > filenames are 1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg etc. I want to make something where it goes through eah directory in each folder, and mv/rename the file based on its path, like gallery.artist1.year1.image1.jpg instead of 1.jpg |
| 08:11.11 | enouf | judd versions linux-image |
| 08:11.11 | judd | enouf: linux-image -- |
| 08:11.12 | stoned | thats what I want |
| 08:11.18 | enouf | judd versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 08:11.18 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+15~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.6.26+16 sid: 2.6.26+17 |
| 08:12.06 | Assid | would there be na issue moving from etch to lenny at the time lenny goes stable if im using backports? |
| 08:12.14 | stoned | I can't quite figure out the thingy like how to extract the the dir name |
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| 08:12.15 | kunwon1 | stoned, you need to write a script |
| 08:12.19 | xoz | stoned: use find . | sed 's/...' |
| 08:12.23 | stoned | kunwon1, obviously |
| 08:12.25 | kunwon1 | or use sed/awk |
| 08:12.28 | stew | Assid: no, there shouldn't be. |
| 08:12.33 | enouf | stoned: try basename? .. er or dirname to help? |
| 08:12.39 | stoned | ohhh |
| 08:12.41 | kunwon1 | stoned, I recommend perl |
| 08:12.53 | stoned | oh oh oh I got it |
| 08:12.53 | kunwon1 | if you use that, I can help you. Else, you can take other suggestions. |
| 08:12.59 | kunwon1 | :D |
| 08:13.00 | stoned | I just figured it out |
| 08:13.01 | stoned | no |
| 08:13.11 | stoned | I was not asking about which tools to use, ffs. man, once agin |
| 08:13.12 | enouf | stoned: take a look at mmv as i mentioned - (i haven't used it yet though) |
| 08:13.17 | stoned | I was asking about hwo to structure the loop |
| 08:13.22 | stoned | but nevemrind you guys don't get it |
| 08:13.29 | stoned | i think i figured it out anyway |
| 08:13.30 | kunwon1 | stoned, you really should have said that then. |
| 08:13.37 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 08:13.52 | enouf | stoned: yes we do - you're just too lazy to work out how to script it |
| 08:14.00 | stoned | and you're too old! |
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| 08:14.05 | stoned | shuddup |
| 08:14.05 | xoz | stoned: it is a simple regular expression substitution |
| 08:14.08 | enouf | !grampasmite stoned |
| 08:14.09 | Assid | do i have to add an apt-uri for backports? |
| 08:15.10 | stoned | enouf, I just got slapped with 12GB worth art for an art gallery project |
| 08:15.34 | enouf | stoned: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ/073 |
| 08:15.42 | stoned | yay I get to use imagemagick to standardize the images make a list, so i can feed into the friggin thingies in the thing there with the thing |
| 08:15.52 | stoned | anyway tis almost 3:15 im out |
| 08:15.55 | stoned | g'nite people of the #debian |
| 08:15.56 | enouf | Assid: the factoid tells you what you need .. |
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| 08:18.56 | Assid | enouf: if i add the backports uri, wont it by default upgrade all my packages to the backport? |
| 08:18.59 | GhostlyDeath | In the debian installer, for the partitioner, for partition usage: What do the "standard", "news", "largefile" and "largefile4" mean? |
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| 08:19.43 | enouf | Assid: you can selectively install backported pkgs, .. check what 'apt-cache policy' output says |
| 08:19.59 | enouf | Assid: but to answer directly, i think not |
| 08:20.06 | stew | Assid: no, backports.org isn't an automatic repository, read the intsructions page on backports.org |
| 08:20.17 | enouf | thanks stew |
| 08:20.27 | stew | enouf: hi |
| 08:20.35 | enouf | waves |
| 08:20.45 | xoz | Assid: better read the backport info and install only what you need... |
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| 08:22.15 | stew | i set up my first linux software raid tonight |
| 08:22.38 | enouf | !mdadmparty stew :-) |
| 08:22.45 | stew | i've only ever had hardware raid before |
| 08:22.52 | enouf | ahh |
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| 08:23.22 | pipcookie | Well, that was too much fun for words. |
| 08:23.50 | pipcookie | enouf, dkpg's one-liner seems OK, but there's an "aticonfig --initial" or somesuch that needs to be done. |
| 08:24.09 | stew | "VG Size 2.73 TB". disk is way too cheap these days |
| 08:24.26 | swivel | fellow debian peeps I was just fetching some things to install lenny on my new laptop and for a moment http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ rendered like this: |
| 08:24.27 | jelly | stew: meh, mere 3TB! |
| 08:24.32 | swivel | http://pengaru.com/~swivel/debian-iis.png |
| 08:24.44 | swivel | but it's since changed |
| 08:24.46 | enouf | pipcookie: sure .. not Xorg related ;-) the one-liner is just that - you could've followed the other info in the fglrx factoid as well ;-) |
| 08:24.47 | stew | jelly: yeah, my wife and I are just scraping by |
| 08:24.52 | swivel | is someone fucking with the mirror or what? |
| 08:25.10 | Assid | hrmm need more speed |
| 08:25.41 | enouf | pipcookie: but .. if you think those commands are beneficial, maybe we can either add them to, or generate a new factoid - or does the stuff at wiki.debian.org already mention them? |
| 08:25.55 | Assid | im waiting for lenny's release party.. will seed/provide mirrors on it :P |
| 08:25.59 | enouf | s/stuff/fglrx-related stuff |
| 08:26.24 | stew | Assid: you might have plenty of time to prepare, depending on the outcome of the vote |
| 08:26.33 | Assid | vote? |
| 08:26.36 | enouf | stew: going to try ext4? |
| 08:26.45 | Octalot | swivel: 6 machines in the ftp.us.debian.org rotation. And yes, some of the mirrors are running IIS. |
| 08:26.56 | Assid | stew: i was helping ubuntu.. dont see why i cant help the os i use on all the rest of my servers |
| 08:27.06 | stew | Assid: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003 |
| 08:27.12 | jelly | swivel: there are multiple machines answering the "http.us.debian.org" name |
| 08:27.28 | robr | I'm using stable, how can I get php5 from testing? |
| 08:27.34 | enouf | Octalot: eww ... |
| 08:27.49 | jelly | what? It obviously works |
| 08:27.51 | swivel | wow, seeing IIS at the end of a debian mirror file listing I thought for sure a mirror had been compromised ;) |
| 08:27.51 | stew | enouf: shit no. this thing will hold all my backups for everything. i'm not going to use that to help test new filesystems. I'll consider ext4 for something that it would be backing up though |
| 08:28.06 | enouf | heh; strings /dev/mem | grep 'Server:' .. haha |
| 08:28.11 | stew | robr: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 08:28.26 | enouf | stew: ahh .. yep makes sense then |
| 08:28.38 | robr | stew: thx |
| 08:28.47 | jelly | stew: raid6? |
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| 08:29.05 | stew | jelly: no, 5 |
| 08:29.07 | jelly | two disks from the same shipment can easily die |
| 08:29.13 | stew | knows |
| 08:29.19 | jelly | stew: hopefully you at least have a hot spare |
| 08:29.20 | enouf | robr: wait, from testing? or for testing? |
| 08:29.43 | robr | from testing I think, i want 5.2.5 or higher |
| 08:29.45 | pipcookie | That was fun... enabling 3D accleration for a Radeon trashes Alsa? |
| 08:29.50 | stew | jelly: currently i have a hot spare 8 drive array that this will be replacing |
| 08:29.55 | robr | currently stable is @ 5.2.0 |
| 08:29.57 | Assid | brb.. gona go have lunch |
| 08:30.13 | enouf | pipcookie: haha .. nice ... you know who to complain to, right? ;-) |
| 08:30.24 | stew | jelly: and there is nothing on this array that doesn't exist elsewhere, ever |
| 08:30.26 | jelly | what do I complain about, my backup is a single 500GB device. |
| 08:30.28 | pipcookie | Oh, hell, the idiots at ATI, maybe? |
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| 08:31.05 | enouf | robr: ok - stew knows much more about php (and their versions and build-dep) than i .. but checkout /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:31.06 | stew | s'nothing on this array'will be nothing on this array'g |
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| 08:31.18 | stew | php sux |
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| 08:31.22 | robr | enouf: thx |
| 08:31.27 | enouf | robr: oh .. the <ssb> does offer that as an option - my bad |
| 08:31.48 | stew | robr: why do you need a newer version of php? |
| 08:31.52 | enouf | pipcookie: bingo |
| 08:31.55 | pipcookie | Anyway, relaunching mplayer made the problem go away. I was watching "The Mummy Returns" when it suddenly sounded like all the sound was being piped through a digital kazoo with an "ultramodernistic" hiphop remix mode. |
| 08:32.12 | robr | stew: im going to be using symfony and to install 1.2 I need > 5.2.4 |
| 08:32.34 | robr | stew: so I just really want to upgrade php ... not the rest of my system. |
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| 08:32.45 | pipcookie | My NEXT lappie, one that I buy for myself, it's gonna be nvidia. My last lappie has an nvidia, and *nothing* is giving me any problems with it, not even ubuntu. |
| 08:32.52 | enouf | pipcookie: then try the [ and ] keys to speed it up to chipmunkspeak speed, or slow it down to satanic moans |
| 08:33.10 | pipcookie | enouf, oh, I do that all the time. It's amusing at times :D |
| 08:33.17 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 08:33.25 | pipcookie | Chipmunks do "inna godda davida"! |
| 08:33.26 | stew | judd: build-dep php5 --release lenny |
| 08:33.26 | judd | stew: php5 -- BuildDepends: apache2-prefork-dev, autoconf, automake1.4, bison, chrpath, debhelper (>= 5), firebird2.0-dev [i386 amd64 powerpc sparc] | firebird1.5-dev [i386 amd64] | firebird2-dev [i386 amd64], flex, freetds-dev, libapr1-dev (>= 1.2.7-8), libbz2-dev, libc-client-dev, libcurl4-openssl-dev | libcurl-dev, libdb4.6-dev, libexpat1-dev (>= 1.95.2-2.1), libfreetype6-dev, libgcrypt11-dev, libgd2-xpm- (2 more messages) |
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| 08:33.58 | stew | ..(2 more message) why do i get the feeling that in 3 pages of judd's output, something isn't going to want to backport |
| 08:34.31 | stew | though immediately, i don't see anything |
| 08:34.38 | robr | with backports, will that mean all my packages will come from there? |
| 08:34.57 | stew | robr: no. and this package doesn't exist on backports, you'll have to backport it yourself |
| 08:35.03 | enouf | is waiting to see *how* to see output of pages 2 and 3 :-P |
| 08:35.17 | stew | judd: more |
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| 08:35.17 | judd | stew: dev, libgmp3-dev, libjpeg62-dev, libkrb5-dev, libldap2-dev, libmcrypt-dev, libmhash-dev (>= 0.8.8), libmysqlclient15-dev, libncurses5-dev, libpam0g-dev, libpcre3-dev (>= 6.6), libpng12-dev, libpq-dev, libpspell-dev, librecode-dev, libsasl2-dev, libsnmp-dev, libsqlite0-dev, libssl-dev, libt1-dev, libtidy-dev, libtool, libwrap0-dev, libxmltok1-dev, libxml2-dev, libxslt1-dev (>= 1.0.18), quilt, re2c, (1 more message) |
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| 08:35.44 | enouf | aha! ,.. but it must not be interrupted by another's judd request? |
| 08:35.48 | superjet_busy | stew: to build OOo3 under testing now for backport? |
| 08:35.59 | jelly | stew cried more, more, more |
| 08:36.15 | pipcookie | Kk, the news is in: enabling hardware accleration MOST definitely impacts mplayer performance MOST positively. |
| 08:36.24 | pipcookie | No more skippies or jaggies. |
| 08:36.43 | robr | stew: OK thanks for the info, I was thinking of just moving my system to 'testing' and getting it that way. Is that a reasonable idea? |
| 08:36.54 | stew | enouf: yeah, but from another request from me. i don't think that if you said "more" it would answer |
| 08:37.18 | enouf | stew: ahh .. very nice indeed then |
| 08:37.38 | stew | robr: perhaps. the problem with running servers on testing is that you aren't guaranteed to get timely security updates in testing. though things are better these days than they once were |
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| 08:38.22 | stew | superjet_busy: huh? |
| 08:39.23 | robr | stew: ok, good to know :) would it be possible for me to install just PHP myself, and try and get that to work with my other packages? |
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| 08:39.46 | stew | robr: what do you mean by "install just PHP myself"? |
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| 08:40.27 | robr | stew: well compile just that one package by hand |
| 08:40.53 | enouf | robr: that's what depends are all about ;-) |
| 08:41.14 | enouf | build-dep especially :-P |
| 08:41.17 | superjet_busy | stew: just want to say it's not all the things exit as backports all the time |
| 08:41.32 | enouf | s/exit/exist |
| 08:41.44 | pipcookie | locks versions for all presently installed virtualbox modules/whatever because the updater stupid clobbers it with bugs |
| 08:41.52 | stew | robr: hopefully. its possible that the php5 source package from lenny Build-Depends on some package that is not yet in stable or is not new enough in stable, in which case you have to first backport a build-depends and install that in order to backport php5 |
| 08:42.07 | enouf | superjet_busy: right - many popular things are .. they come from all sorts of places |
| 08:42.16 | stew | robr: but a simple "apt-get build-dep php5" after setting up deb-src lines for lenny or unstable would tell you if that is the case |
| 08:42.18 | robr | stew: OK thanks for the info |
| 08:42.44 | stew | superjet_busy: you mean on backports.org? |
| 08:43.22 | enouf | but not all pkgs are backported - some it's near impossible to, ...some nobody has done it and offered it correctly .. and some, it's just not worth it |
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| 08:43.39 | stew | superjet_busy: no, oo.o 3 doesn't exist on backports.org yet, becuase it isn't in testing yet, and they want to make sure you can always easily upgrade from 'stable + backports' to 'stable+1' |
| 08:44.17 | enouf | ahh .. right - that too |
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| 08:44.27 | robr | stew: is lenny testing? |
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| 08:44.51 | stew | robr: currently, yes |
| 08:44.53 | enouf | stew: it must exist in sid, to make it into testing, to be considered for a backport as well, no? (or is the sid part wrong?) |
| 08:45.02 | robr | stew: ok thx |
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| 08:46.04 | stew | enouf: i'm not sure I'm following. do you mean "if it is in testing but not sid, it can't go into backports"? |
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| 08:47.15 | enouf | liable: can actually tell us all about that - i was watching his convo on debian-boot {-kernel}? about trying to make backported pkgs for the eeepc |
| 08:47.25 | superjet_busy | stew: sure, I know it and maybe those guys could make some huge apps like OOo for testing now will be very nice, and there will not so much change before lenny is out |
| 08:47.48 | liable | i would rather not relive that conversation :P |
| 08:47.49 | stew | superjet_busy: oo.o 3 for testing is way too much change |
| 08:47.51 | enouf | stew: sorry, no - i guess i mean, if it gets into sid, then trickles down into testing, then it is eligible |
| 08:48.00 | stew | enouf: right |
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| 08:48.31 | stew | enouf: the only recent exception i've seen is them letting <some kernel (maybe 2.6.24)> inteo backports before it hit testing, knowing that it would hit testing soon |
| 08:48.35 | enouf | stew: so .. if a pkg has no chance of making it into testing, it'll never be considered for backports.org - ok - gotcha |
| 08:48.51 | enouf | i see .. ok , thanks |
| 08:49.25 | enouf | liable: sorry mate ;-) |
| 08:49.28 | superjet_busy | stew: there will be no OOo3 in backport? |
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| 08:50.07 | stew | superjet_busy: probably not until it is in testing |
| 08:50.22 | stew | actually, interesting, they explicitly mention it: |
| 08:50.24 | stew | "To guarantee an upgrade path from stable+backports to the next stable, the package should be in testing.. Of course there are some exceptions: Security updates. If your package had a security update you can upload a new backport even if its not yet in testing. There are also some other exception for packages like the kernel, xorg or oo.org." |
| 08:50.46 | stew | however, i doubt you'd see a oo.o 3 for etch |
| 08:51.05 | stew | but you'll see a oo.o 3 backport for lenny after lenny is released |
| 08:51.20 | enouf | superjet_busy: it's important to use the stable/testing/unstable nomenclature (although sid will always == unstable) .. because sarge/etch/lenny/... are moving targets |
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| 08:51.34 | enouf | !squeeze |
| 08:51.35 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 08:51.50 | stew | or who knows, when the vote next week goes for "Reaffirm the social contract" thus pushing back lenny indefinately, who knows what might happen |
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| 08:53.17 | enouf | right - like for example - there are kde4 backports for lenny already .. though it's not the same thing as backports intended for the stable release i guess |
| 08:53.37 | enouf | s/are kde4/are some kde4 |
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| 08:54.07 | stew | and i'm sure you can find kde4 backports for etch, you just have to start looking in less supported and less reputable sources |
| 08:55.12 | superjet_busy | those guys seems chattering all days |
| 08:55.13 | robr | should my apt.conf be in /etc/apt/ or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 08:55.29 | enouf | robr: in /etc/apt/ |
| 08:55.36 | robr | enouf: thx |
| 08:55.48 | enouf | robr: i think the apt.conf.d/ dir doesn't exist until you hit Lenny |
| 08:55.57 | stew | it does, but i |
| 08:56.13 | enouf | robr: i think the apt.conf.d/ dir contains files like S02somename |
| 08:56.15 | stew | i'd assume it follows run-parts naming schemes (so that apt.conf would be ignored) |
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| 08:56.50 | robr | ah ok i just want to set my default release to stable |
| 08:56.57 | robr | just trying to follow an online tutorial |
| 08:57.03 | stew | robr: you don't want to try to install a php5 package from testing |
| 08:57.08 | enouf | ahh .. righto - similar to how udev finally made it into sarge, but wasn't really being used (i know, my brain thinks of all sorts of weirdo analogies :-P) |
| 08:57.15 | stew | robr: unless you intend to fully upgrade to testing |
| 08:57.15 | robr | stew: ok |
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| 08:57.28 | robr | stew: ok i'll go with the full upgrade to testing |
| 08:57.39 | stew | robr: /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 08:57.59 | robr | stew: thx |
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| 09:00.28 | martin3z | hi |
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| 09:01.23 | martin3z | why if i run telinit in /dev/pts/0 i haven't printed services started? if i run it from /dev/tty1 i have it. |
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| 09:02.27 | ralhersanthu | :) |
| 09:02.30 | ralhersanthu | :D |
| 09:02.56 | ralhersanthu | ツ |
| 09:03.03 | robr | stew: I've changed my sources.list |
| 09:03.12 | robr | stew: so now i'm doing dist-upgrade |
| 09:03.26 | robr | stew: and then after i'll apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:03.35 | trumpen` | how could I detect if an application is in fullscreen from a shell script? |
| 09:03.36 | robr | then i guess i'll be on testing :D |
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| 09:05.13 | martin3z | ok, if i some run service, there is macro log_daemon_msg in file, where is it defined, i mean, which file is running about this? |
| 09:06.17 | enouf | xwininfo ? |
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| 09:09.39 | stew | robr: yeah, i'd not recommend doing it that way |
| 09:09.49 | superjet_busy | list module into blacklist then modprobe it in rc.local but failed to load it for blacklist, how to solve it? as the module loaded first before others and give bad devices order in /dev |
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| 09:10.39 | cmanns_ | so |
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| 09:11.14 | cmanns_ | I'm trying to make a nat I guess for WAN IP -> LANIP |
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| 09:11.31 | m_dige | Hi everyone. Is there a 64 bit edition of firefox somewhere ? |
| 09:11.44 | stew | m_dige: yes, its called "iceweasel" in debian |
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| 09:12.07 | cmanns_ | I was suggested to try this: http://rafb.net/p/e6zEN163.html |
| 09:12.13 | cmanns_ | No worky tho, any ideas? |
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| 09:12.23 | m_dige | stew: I know. I kind of preform the one from www.getfirefox.com |
| 09:12.47 | stew | m_dige: perform? |
| 09:12.52 | cmanns_ | prefer? |
| 09:12.56 | m_dige | stew: preform -> prefer |
| 09:13.01 | stew | m_dige: do you mean 'prefer'? why? you like the graphics better? |
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| 09:13.22 | cmanns_ | If you really have too m_dige then just build FF from sauce |
| 09:13.33 | cmanns_ | I'd stick with iceweasel |
| 09:14.02 | m_dige | stew: faster updates etc. And yes also due to the graphics |
| 09:14.33 | stew | m_dige: then ask #firefox |
| 09:15.21 | stew | m_dige: what version of debian are you running? |
| 09:15.46 | m_dige | stew: cmanns: i already have it installed. First it had trouble in finding my libs (I run AMD64). I installed IA32-libs and now it at least starts. But it can't show any webpages |
| 09:16.05 | m_dige | stew: Debian AMD64 |
| 09:16.11 | stew | m_dige: which release? |
| 09:16.16 | m_dige | stew: testing |
| 09:16.35 | stew | m_dige: ask #firefo |
| 09:16.39 | stew | #firefox |
| 09:16.41 | cmanns_ | IA-32? |
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| 09:17.21 | m_dige | cmanns_: 32bit libs which you can utilize on a 64bit system |
| 09:17.41 | m_dige | stew: I try with #firefox |
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| 09:18.39 | m_dige | stew: are you running 64bit ? |
| 09:18.54 | stew | m_dige: yes |
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| 09:19.43 | cmanns_ | oh i see |
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| 09:20.04 | m_dige | stew: I looked at the old AMD64 port page which suggested something with using a chrooted environment to run 32 bit apps. Are you doing that ? |
| 09:21.05 | stew | m_dige: yes, i have chroots, but i don't use them for things like iceweasel |
| 09:21.40 | m_dige | stew: What do you then use it for ? |
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| 09:23.25 | stew | m_dige: i unfortunately have a few pices of proprietary software for work for audio conversion that requires 32 bit, and I use 32 bit chroots for build environments for building debian packages |
| 09:23.29 | robr | thx for all the help :) have a good one |
| 09:23.41 | stew | m_dige: i have no reason to run a browser in a 32 bit environment |
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| 09:26.17 | cmanns_ | dSo anyways anybody know how to forward external ip:80 -> internalip:80? |
| 09:27.47 | pipcookie | One noob's opinion: debian lenny rocks. How close is it to actual release? |
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| 09:28.42 | SuZuKinDeR | hello |
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| 09:29.33 | SPF | cmanns_: ssh -R 80:localhost:80 user@ip |
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| 09:30.12 | cmanns_ | SPF I don't get it lol |
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| 09:30.36 | SPF | cmanns_: are you referring to port forwarding or tunneling? |
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| 09:30.41 | cmanns_ | forwarding |
| 09:30.59 | cmanns_ | I got a virtural server, I can talk to it with the lan ip fine. I need to forward port 80 and another port for ssh. |
| 09:31.33 | cmanns_ | Theres no routers or anything just switch -> server on the server I can ssh to the priv ip n such |
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| 09:32.03 | SPF | cmanns_: here's a good example: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Iptables_forward |
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| 09:33.12 | cmanns_ | hmm |
| 09:34.05 | enouf | trumpen: i mentioned xwininfo earlier, but also just recalled wmctl might also be of use |
| 09:36.02 | cmanns_ | SPF: http://rafb.net/p/meebFB36.html |
| 09:36.07 | cmanns_ | I believe, that should work? |
| 09:36.18 | m_dige | stew: have you installede the ia32-libs ? |
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| 09:38.41 | SPF | cmanns_: it's missing -i ethx |
| 09:38.54 | SPF | in case you have multiple interfaces |
| 09:39.13 | SPF | applies to only the first line |
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| 09:39.25 | cmanns_ | ah |
| 09:39.31 | cmanns_ | Do I need the 2nd one? |
| 09:40.03 | SPF | I think the second one is choosen according to the routing rules |
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| 09:40.54 | cmanns_ | Well I think that ones okay because I can already access the virtural server |
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| 09:41.48 | cmanns_ | Well not with the public ip :( |
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| 09:44.20 | cmanns_ | I did the last line too and same thing :( |
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| 09:46.29 | SPF | try adding iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -d ${DEST_IP} --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:47.57 | cmanns_ | ooopsie lol |
| 09:48.16 | cmanns_ | flushing iptables on production server, oopsss |
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| 09:51.58 | sum | !gentoosmite |
| 09:52.36 | Tidus | !gentoosmite sum |
| 09:52.36 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling sum, and when it's all done, sum runs no faster than previously |
| 09:52.45 | sum | ;-) |
| 09:52.46 | sum | thx |
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| 10:01.46 | sum | bye |
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| 10:03.33 | cmanns_ | SPF its just not working :S |
| 10:03.45 | cmanns_ | I ssh tunnel'd, opened http://172.16.109.128/ and whalla it works |
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| 10:07.26 | resr | enouf: hey you where right about the 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 |
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| 10:11.39 | enouf | you mean you finally just saw what you pasted about 3 hours ago? [02:00:47] <rera> 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 |
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| 10:16.01 | FILLVAIO2 | Hi |
| 10:16.55 | FILLVAIO2 | how can i create user 'web' with same rights as 'www-data' ? |
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| 10:21.19 | naught101 | FILLVAIO2: add it to the www-data group? |
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| 10:27.59 | pobega | Hi. Is there any way (besides the BIOS) to force my integrated video card to have more RAM allocated to it? When I try to use the VideoRam option in Xorg I get this: (WW) intel(0): VideoRam configuration found, which is no longer recommended. |
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| 10:30.37 | enouf | pobega: i guess you could try to increase your agp aperture size in the BIOS, which isn't the same as vram, but depending on the card and driver, the gart could be used for various things like textures, etc etc |
| 10:32.42 | cahoot | set Virtual x y ? |
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| 10:33.55 | pobega | cahoot: Hm? |
| 10:33.59 | pobega | enouf: I'll look into that, thanks. |
| 10:34.02 | enouf | yeah, i've heard of that too - for certain things |
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| 10:34.23 | cahoot | pobega: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf |
| 10:34.56 | enouf | cahoot: is that available to use with Etch's xorg do you know? |
| 10:35.05 | cahoot | doubt that |
| 10:35.16 | enouf | gotcha |
| 10:35.31 | cahoot | (but why run etch on a laptop?) |
| 10:36.34 | enouf | who has a laptop? |
| 10:36.46 | cahoot | right |
| 10:36.58 | pobega | Eh, I'm on Lenny. |
| 10:37.00 | enouf | 50/50 :-p |
| 10:37.24 | cahoot | pobega: so the url applies |
| 10:37.59 | pobega | Yeah but, is that virtual memory for the video card or something else? Seems to be in a bit akward place. |
| 10:38.03 | pobega | I'm not expert but I'm just asking. |
| 10:38.18 | cahoot | virtual size of display |
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| 10:38.46 | zimnyx | Is there an easy way to determine which configure options were used to build an |
| 10:38.48 | zimnyx | existing package ? |
| 10:39.02 | enouf | zimnyx: debian/rules file |
| 10:39.18 | cahoot | presumes src pkg? |
| 10:39.32 | enouf | right |
| 10:39.46 | enouf | grab the src and look at the file ;-) |
| 10:40.12 | cahoot | since the question pops up rather often - one wonders if the rules could be part of the doc? |
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| 10:40.29 | enouf | although something like gcc -v kind of shows some things for gcc :-) |
| 10:40.46 | enouf | meh .. |
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| 10:43.34 | zimnyx | enouf: thanks |
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| 10:44.54 | dutchfish | i just re-installed debina lenny with latest netinstall beta and setup kde, how do i configure automatic warnings for new updates? |
| 10:45.00 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
| 10:45.19 | petemc | install update-manager |
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| 10:45.40 | dutchfish | that simple? i(i feel stupid) but thnak you very much |
| 10:45.43 | n2c | hi there |
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| 10:46.09 | petemc | dutchfish: i dont use kde |
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| 10:46.56 | error404 | is metalog in debian |
| 10:47.20 | n2c | I have a very odd problem.All of a sudden my crypt home failed (yesterday).2.6.26 for some time after dist-upgrade from lenny.it still mounts well in 2.6.24 though!Error msg is "No key available with this passphrase"-yes I type it correctly |
| 10:47.22 | dutchfish | petemc, if i do thta it wants to install 65 packages with gnome and alot of python packages too, you sure there is no kde equivalent? |
| 10:47.36 | petemc | dutchfish: as i said, i dont use kde |
| 10:47.45 | dutchfish | petemc, ok, fair enough |
| 10:48.10 | n2c | any idea what this could be?I only get the bailout-shell (ctl-D to reboot) under 2.6.26 now |
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| 10:52.57 | Assid | err |
| 10:53.03 | Assid | problem in backports :( |
| 10:53.22 | Assid | openvz isnt working the way it was intentioned to |
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| 10:57.29 | dutchfish | petemc, i fugured it out, it should be adept-installer ( http://packages.debian.org/etch/adept-installer ) but it doesnt live in lenny anymore ... can it be ported? |
| 10:58.12 | petemc | dutchfish: probably, couldnt hurt to try |
| 10:59.23 | dutchfish | petemc, and http://packages.debian.org/etch/adept-notifier as its notifier part |
| 10:59.38 | petemc | cool beans |
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| 11:00.20 | dutchfish | petemc, i somehow blindly expected that it would be in lenny .... ouch ... not so |
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| 11:02.12 | dutchfish | petemc, ha this is why: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/adept/news/20080208T233914Z.html |
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| 11:03.00 | dutchfish | petemc, go figure ... i dont understand |
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| 11:07.00 | allsystemsarego | Hi guys, I was looking around the Debian site for a sid liveCD / liveDVD, but couldn't find it, does anyone have a direct link or complete navigaion path (or link to a .torrent file)? |
| 11:07.06 | Octalot | dutchfish: go one thing earlier in the news: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/adept/news/20080207T221015Z.html |
| 11:07.35 | dutchfish | Octalot, yes, saw that too, also i dont understand its meaning |
| 11:07.56 | Octalot | ah. Get the bug number from that, then look in the BTS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464340 |
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| 11:09.01 | Octalot | agrees that this is obscure |
| 11:09.39 | dutchfish | Octalot, ah ic, thta basically means it wont go into lenny, because its frozen, and the new version is not ready to go to testing in time? |
| 11:09.53 | Octalot | yes |
| 11:10.16 | dutchfish | Octalot, too bad, i liked that one |
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| 11:10.58 | dutchfish | Octalot, specially for "grandma's dektop" setups |
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| 11:12.19 | dutchfish | Octalot, are there any simple althernatives, not wanted to use the gnome version with its 65 related packages |
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| 11:14.27 | enouf | dutchfish: take a look at what i see in sid http://pastebin.ca/raw/1283466 |
| 11:14.39 | enouf | dutchfish: see if any are apropos for backporting to lenny for you |
| 11:15.04 | enouf | (if they don't already exist in lenny, that is) |
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| 11:16.08 | pave-low | hi all, i've set up openldap on debian lenny, and integrated it with pam. what i want to ask is how do you restrict/allow user access to specific services (ie ftp, svn, shell etc) |
| 11:17.08 | dutchfish | enouf, basically there are only 2 update-manager for the gnome and adept for kde |
| 11:17.09 | enouf | dutchfish: the pkg "adept" in sid says; Replaces: adept-common (<< 3.0~alpha5), adept-installer (<< 3.0~alpha5), adept-manager (<< 3.0~alpha5), adept-updater (<< 3.0~alpha5) |
| 11:17.23 | enouf | so, /msg dpkg ssb ;-) |
| 11:17.24 | dutchfish | enouf, yes |
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| 11:18.14 | allsystemsarego | nevermind, found it at http://live.debian.net/cdimage/sid-builds/20081121/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-sid-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 11:18.40 | pipcookie | ponders looking at sid in virtualbox |
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| 11:20.22 | enouf | pave-low: http://www.openldap.org/ , man pages , /usr/share/doc/* |
| 11:20.31 | dutchfish | enouf, thats not that easy, prolly next kde is coming in sid too.... mppfff |
| 11:20.52 | dutchfish | enouf, whilelenny has 3.5 |
| 11:21.25 | dutchfish | enouf, and lenny wont switch to 4.1 |
| 11:21.34 | enouf | pave-low: for example; dpkg -L ldap-utils |
| 11:21.54 | dutchfish | enouf, i am tempted to write my own |
| 11:22.00 | enouf | dutchfish: right - but lenny will be getting kde4 backports |
| 11:22.05 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 11:22.05 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 11:22.18 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, and then adept will be backported too |
| 11:22.24 | pave-low | ok, will read a bit harder, thought there might be a straightforward solution :p |
| 11:22.34 | enouf | dutchfish: why not just do it yourself now? |
| 11:23.06 | dutchfish | enouf, i think its simpler to write from scratch and rely on the stable apt in lenny and its helpers |
| 11:23.16 | enouf | dutchfish: unless .. i misunderstand? what i'm seeing in sid is for kde4 only? not 3.5.x ? |
| 11:23.25 | dutchfish | enouf, bingo |
| 11:23.37 | enouf | !blame kde |
| 11:23.37 | dpkg | blames penrod and kde for the end of culture as we know it |
| 11:23.43 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 11:24.37 | enouf | bah .. we don't need no stinkin update-manager ... bah |
| 11:25.22 | dutchfish | enouf, i dont need myself, i can aptitude, but for the rest of the mortals in this world like "grandma's desktop" it is convinient |
| 11:25.24 | enouf | especially not a frilly GUI one, with bells and whistles and spinning cubes - you want that? see WindowsUpdate :-P |
| 11:25.39 | enouf | dutchfish: screw grandma :-P |
| 11:25.57 | dutchfish | enouf, no, just a simple _> hey there are security updates thta need to be installed |
| 11:26.23 | dutchfish | enouf, dont let her hear this, see would want that too ;) |
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| 11:29.51 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i will write my own start off with cron-apt and do the knitty-gritty myself |
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| 11:36.55 | Bankai_ | humm ... i've installed debian and all i get it this "Login: " thing - it's like it's in DOS mode, how do i change it ? |
| 11:37.16 | simonrvn | it's not dos mode... |
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| 11:37.54 | simonrvn | !install x |
| 11:37.54 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 11:37.59 | simonrvn | Bankai_: ^^^ |
| 11:38.27 | Bankai_ | i just want to know how to get out of DOS mode |
| 11:38.36 | Bankai_ | i need to configure the network to install firefox |
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| 11:39.11 | simonrvn | you need x to run firefox/iceweasel |
| 11:39.20 | Bankai_ | what's x? |
| 11:39.47 | simonrvn | !x |
| 11:39.54 | simonrvn | !+x |
| 11:39.55 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.55 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.55 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.55 | dpkg | Example: x en de your cars rock |
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| 11:40.15 | dutchfish | lol |
| 11:40.19 | simonrvn | woops... sorry *blush* |
| 11:40.50 | Bankai_ | so i need to install something else just to configure the network ? |
| 11:40.50 | simonrvn | forgot that was a command.... |
| 11:41.03 | Assid | xoz: you around? |
| 11:41.07 | simonrvn | Bankai_: no, re-read what i said |
| 11:41.22 | Bankai_ | this is stupid, i'm just going to install vista |
| 11:41.33 | simonrvn | bye |
| 11:41.41 | dutchfish | Bankai_, what options you did choose during install, or did you choose only base packages? |
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| 11:41.54 | simonrvn | s/he left. |
| 11:42.02 | dutchfish | i hate that |
| 11:42.20 | simonrvn | don't matter, obviously wasn't very patient. |
| 11:42.27 | dutchfish | right |
| 11:43.24 | simonrvn | left |
| 11:43.31 | dutchfish | wishes all win users a mallfunction of the mouse for at least one week, so they can learn the command prompt |
| 11:44.18 | enouf | dutchfish: had phone call .. |
| 11:44.25 | mchelen | usually just recommend ubuntu live cd |
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| 11:44.49 | mchelen | i havent tried the latest debian live cd, sometimes people dont know about that either |
| 11:45.25 | enouf | !customer |
| 11:45.26 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 11:45.29 | dutchfish | mchelen, and what about debian-live ? |
| 11:45.45 | simonrvn | it works fine |
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| 11:46.58 | enouf | simonrvn: you were probably looking for that ever elusive <xorg> factoid :-P |
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| 11:47.18 | simonrvn | yes... :/ |
| 11:47.25 | mchelen | yeah that is a good thing to suggest |
| 11:47.52 | dutchfish | !install x |
| 11:47.53 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 11:48.53 | simonrvn | i don't get how people can mis-read something simple like "you have to install x to run firefox".... |
| 11:49.05 | Assid | okay .. i need some help.. i was loading up a box (openvz is a reuqirement) .. so i started using backports.. however, any barriers i set.. such as cpu and ram limtations.. arnet being reflected in the vps node |
| 11:49.26 | enouf | simonrvn: they come as trolls and leave as trash :-) |
| 11:49.27 | Assid | works fine on another machine with an older port of openvz from their mirror |
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| 11:49.47 | enouf | simonrvn: i call them 'drive-bys' :-p |
| 11:49.59 | simonrvn | drive-by trolls |
| 11:50.17 | maligor | sunday trolls |
| 11:50.19 | julian_ | is my only option for installing Python2.3 on Debian Etch compiling from source? seems to have been obsoleted. |
| 11:50.32 | dutchfish | enouf, like they where thinking #debian as a drive through restaurant |
| 11:51.01 | enouf | dutchfish: no, more like in SE LA where there's drive-by shootings :-P |
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| 11:51.13 | dutchfish | enouf, really? ouch |
| 11:52.06 | enouf | julian_: might try to obtain it from oldstable or ado, or sdn |
| 11:52.22 | enouf | judd versions python |
| 11:52.22 | judd | enouf: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 |
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| 11:52.44 | enouf | !tell julian_ -about sdn |
| 11:52.48 | enouf | !tell julian_ -about ado |
| 11:53.19 | julian_ | thanks. good to know. |
| 11:53.19 | enouf | Assid: how are you setting up these limitations? |
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| 11:53.44 | Assid | enouf: was actually in my .conf file when i ported from another hw node |
| 11:53.45 | enouf | Assid: in Lenny there's a pkg called schedutils for such things - |
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| 11:54.03 | enouf | Assid: what .conf file? from openvz? |
| 11:54.08 | Assid | yes |
| 11:54.24 | enouf | then you better ask them about that ... i'd think .. |
| 11:55.19 | Assid | hrmm.. well. apparently it works on my other box with etch and 2.6.18 kernel as provided by them |
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| 11:56.06 | enouf | Assid: right, but now you're using backports.org and a newer openvz version? |
| 11:56.29 | Assid | i think the openvz versions are same |
| 11:56.34 | FILLVAIO2 | Hi, how to mount directory /home/mysite to /home/www |
| 11:56.55 | Assid | actually theres is even newer |
| 11:57.01 | enouf | Assid: well .. still, i have no idea personally how that .conf works - so, you might need some tweaking or reconfiguring |
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| 11:57.30 | simonrvn | FILLVAIO2: you want bind mounts; man mount |
| 11:57.33 | enouf | FILLVAIO2: man mount - see the bind option |
| 11:57.40 | FILLVAIO2 | ok |
| 11:58.36 | enouf | Assid: if you went from a .18 kernel to the backports .26 one, many things in the kernel have changed |
| 11:58.37 | Assid | yeah.. backports is older than the one provided by them |
| 11:58.53 | enouf | is confused |
| 11:59.28 | Assid | vzctl fro example provided by backports is 3.0.11 . the one provided by them is 3.0.22 |
| 11:59.51 | Assid | however, they are giving theirs with .18 not .26 |
| 12:00.10 | Assid | and from what i understand here : http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian#2_Using_Debian_lenny_repositories |
| 12:00.34 | Assid | i can use lenny repositories for .28 |
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| 12:00.49 | enouf | .28? O_o |
| 12:00.50 | Assid | so i plan to try that |
| 12:01.03 | Assid | else im stuck |
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| 12:01.21 | enouf | 2.6.28? or 3.0.28? |
| 12:01.32 | Assid | whats 3.0.28 ?? |
| 12:01.51 | enouf | the next version after 3.0.22? |
| 12:01.53 | FILLVAIO2 | <enouf> Error: A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom, |
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| 12:02.28 | Assid | oh.. i dont know what lenny has to offer .. as in what version |
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| 12:03.49 | FILLVAIO2 | <enouf> mount: special device /home/mysite1/data/www/mysite1.ru does not exist |
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| 12:04.29 | FILLVAIO2 | my error |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kmd_compile' returned no results. |
| 12:05.02 | Assid | enouf: so you think i should try with lenny? |
| 12:05.09 | Assid | hopefully will be better right |
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| 12:07.26 | enouf | FILLVAIO2: mkdir -p /home/mysite1/data/www/mysite1.ru ? |
| 12:07.43 | FILLVAIO2 | my error, sorry |
| 12:07.44 | FILLVAIO2 | thanx |
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| 12:08.44 | kwowt | Hi |
| 12:09.00 | kwowt | Is there something wrong with debian ftp mirrors |
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| 12:09.36 | dutchfish | kwowt, http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 12:09.57 | mchelen | ping ftp.debian.org is fine |
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| 12:10.26 | kwowt | ^the german one is allowing me like 50kbs |
| 12:10.27 | kwowt | download |
| 12:10.33 | kwowt | ftp.de.debian.org |
| 12:10.43 | gsamsa | what does this command do? 'sort +1 -2 file' |
| 12:11.01 | simonrvn | man sort |
| 12:11.17 | gsamsa | simonrvn: read it. |
| 12:11.27 | gsamsa | already. didn't help |
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| 12:11.45 | kwowt | how do i change the mirror |
| 12:11.52 | kwowt | this sucks:/ |
| 12:11.59 | kwowt | 74% [1 bind 722233/966kB 74%] 30.7kB/s 7s |
| 12:12.04 | kwowt | i'm on a 100mbit line |
| 12:12.14 | petemc | kwowt: man sources.list |
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| 12:12.25 | cahoot | kwowt: just updated from ftp.de.debian.org (1226kB/s) |
| 12:12.27 | gsamsa | arrrrgh |
| 12:12.31 | simonrvn | you didn't read it all since you would've seen the "info sort" at the bottom ;). |
| 12:12.32 | kwowt | :| |
| 12:13.36 | dutchfish | simonrvn, info sort in lenny is incomplete |
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| 12:13.48 | simonrvn | same for sid |
| 12:14.14 | simonrvn | i've never seen that usage. seems like a non-gnu usage. |
| 12:14.24 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 12:16.17 | sajes | How come virtualbox-ose-modules haven't been updated yet? |
| 12:16.20 | dutchfish | gsamsa, it looks like a bad use of -k option |
| 12:17.57 | sajes | Oh, my bad. How come they haven't been updated in Lenny. |
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| 12:19.21 | dutchfish | !freeze |
| 12:19.21 | dpkg | freeze is, like, when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable'. During the freeze period, there are fewer updates to unstable too, in order to make the stablisation process easier. |
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| 12:22.36 | sajes | So it's going to be months before the modules are updated then? |
| 12:22.43 | dutchfish | sajes, if you think the freeze seriuously affects your package you can ask the maintainers to overide it |
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| 12:23.05 | dutchfish | sajes, but this is granted rarely |
| 12:23.07 | hamilton5 | modules get updated if u update the kernel correct? |
| 12:23.42 | dutchfish | hamilton5, for stock kernel always |
| 12:23.43 | gsamsa | dutchfish: yeah. it's deprecated. thanks |
| 12:23.47 | sajes | dutchfish: It's already filed under a bug report. |
| 12:23.55 | dutchfish | sajes, ok |
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| 12:26.09 | gsamsa | i want to substitute the spaces in a bunch of directory titles by points '.' |
| 12:26.16 | gsamsa | is there an easy way ? |
| 12:27.41 | dutchfish | gsamsa, maybe you should delv into mrename |
| 12:27.59 | dutchfish | !mrename |
| 12:28.33 | gsamsa | thanks! |
| 12:28.34 | dutchfish | gsamsa, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mrename |
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| 12:34.27 | patrikf | hey there. does anybody know a powerful tool for printing HTML pages? iceweasel's print feature is quite limited... |
| 12:35.28 | dutchfish | patrikf, what features you are looking for? |
| 12:36.02 | patrikf | dutchfish: controlling header, footer, maybe font (although I could change the css)... |
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| 12:36.25 | patrikf | dutchfish: ideally something supporting CSS2's page-margin etc. options |
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| 12:37.07 | dutchfish | patrikf, i use firebug on the saved pages, and manually correct it, then print it, but any html editor would do |
| 12:37.39 | XTZGZoReX | How can I find out what the name of my ethernet card is? |
| 12:38.13 | superjet_busy | XTZGZoReX: dmesg |
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| 12:39.42 | dutchfish | patrikf, i find wprint of great help too |
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| 12:42.06 | patrikf | dutchfish: well I think mozilla already supports unicode? |
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| 12:42.30 | dutchfish | patrikf, WorldPrint is a filter for Mozilla (Galeon, etc.), Htmldoc, and Netscape PostScript output that uses TrueType fonts to allow the printing of pages written in Unicode, Big5, SJIS, KOI-8, ISO-8859* and others. |
| 12:42.44 | patrikf | dutchfish: yeah I just read that ;) |
| 12:42.57 | XTZGZoReX | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 21) -- debian doesn't come with drivers for this? |
| 12:43.03 | dutchfish | patrikf, it depends on your needs |
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| 12:46.37 | craigevil | !broadcom |
| 12:46.37 | dpkg | For wireless cards using Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>, <b43legacy> or <bcm43xx>. For Ethernet cards, ask me about <bcm5906m> to use NetLink BCM5906M with Linux 2.6.18 (Etch), or see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux for BCM47XX series. |
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| 12:48.26 | XTZGZoReX | craigevil: so it doesn't actually know about drivers for my card? :) |
| 12:48.57 | XTZGZoReX | Problem is, I'm installing on a virtual machine via vrdp, so I can't exactly install the drivers after installing Debian :x |
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| 12:49.48 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, you are running Etch? |
| 12:50.00 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: I'm not running -- I'm installing Etch :P |
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| 12:51.35 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, whatever, they are supported in newer kernels, alas not in etch |
| 12:51.52 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: so where can I get a lenny/sid image? I couldn't find one on the site. |
| 12:52.13 | cahoot | !kmuto |
| 12:52.13 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 12:52.19 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:53.38 | XTZGZoReX | Thanks |
| 12:54.12 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2008/20080927 |
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| 12:55.21 | XTZGZoReX | So I shouldn't use the RC1 images on the first link? |
| 12:55.48 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, it states: Please use daily built images instead. |
| 12:56.12 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, if you want lenny (testing) that is |
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| 12:57.05 | XTZGZoReX | Hmm, isn't sid "stable"? |
| 12:57.07 | XTZGZoReX | Or is that testing too? |
| 12:57.34 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, no, both or not stable, but lenny is testing (freeze period) |
| 12:57.56 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, it supports your card with curent kernel |
| 12:58.02 | mchelen | nope sid is unstable |
| 12:58.16 | mchelen | etch is stable, lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 12:58.28 | XTZGZoReX | Oh I see |
| 12:58.33 | gsamsa | NO NO NO |
| 12:58.41 | XTZGZoReX | Sid will be the version after lenny, or? |
| 12:58.41 | gsamsa | etch is the unstable |
| 12:58.54 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 12:58.54 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 12:58.55 | maligor | ??? is experimental |
| 12:59.10 | petemc | gsamsa: no its not, dont answer questions you arent sure of the answer to |
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| 12:59.28 | mchelen | !etch |
| 12:59.28 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r5>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 12:59.54 | gsamsa | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 13:00.05 | gsamsa | XTZGZoReX |
| 13:00.10 | cahoot | arguing the matter too? |
| 13:00.21 | mchelen | it takes a while to keep track of them all |
| 13:01.51 | XTZGZoReX | Anyway, thanks for the help :P |
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| 13:02.25 | XTZGZoReX | Oh, looks. |
| 13:02.33 | XTZGZoReX | I just started the installation with a daily lenny image. |
| 13:02.36 | ktwilight | hm, where cna i find nss for debian? i need it to compile |
| 13:02.37 | XTZGZoReX | Still asks for a driver. |
| 13:02.47 | ktwilight | "checking for NSS... configure: error: Package requirements (nss) were not met:" |
| 13:03.36 | gsamsa | how to install nvidia driver? |
| 13:03.44 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, oh? then try what cahoot told you about kmuto |
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| 13:04.04 | petemc | XTZGZoReX: what do you mean it asks for a driver? |
| 13:04.20 | aktinos | ktwilight: install libnss3-dev |
| 13:04.23 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: it says it couldn't find a suitable driver and gives me a list of drivers I can pick |
| 13:04.33 | petemc | XTZGZoReX: for which device? |
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| 13:05.29 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express |
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| 13:06.33 | ktwilight | aktinos, aha, lemme try |
| 13:07.09 | XTZGZoReX | Anyway -- it doesn't seem there are actually any ISO files on http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/..? |
| 13:07.23 | petemc | XTZGZoReX: did you try etch on that machine? |
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| 13:07.45 | gsamsa | how do i install the nvidia driver on my system? |
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| 13:08.01 | gsamsa | i run the scritp, but it isn't working |
| 13:08.04 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: yes, same result. |
| 13:08.14 | gsamsa | there is no line loading the driver in xorg.conf |
| 13:08.22 | nnull | hi guys, just wondering how you guys think a p3 500 with 64 meg of ram would fair in CLI mode for a basic server? |
| 13:08.38 | gsamsa | isn't the script supposed to do that? |
| 13:08.53 | petemc | XTZGZoReX: that should work with the tg3 driver |
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| 13:09.21 | XTZGZoReX | Hmm |
| 13:09.31 | XTZGZoReX | Lemme try one those kmuto first, then I'll give that a shot, thanks |
| 13:10.22 | petemc | nnull: it would work, more ram would make a big difference tho |
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| 13:11.25 | nnull | petemc¬ whats recommended for a good working minimum? |
| 13:11.32 | nnull | ram that is |
| 13:11.47 | petemc | nnull: the more the better |
| 13:11.51 | nnull | obviously :) |
| 13:12.07 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: should I just look for "tg3" on the list? |
| 13:12.18 | petemc | XTZGZoReX: it should be loaded automatically |
| 13:12.28 | nnull | petemc¬ again this server would only be for basic home network needs |
| 13:12.38 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: well, it doesn't -- so should I just select it myself? |
| 13:12.52 | petemc | XTZGZoReX: you could try.. |
| 13:13.06 | dutchfish | nnull, 64 mb will do, ps: lenny installer chokes on that so use etch |
| 13:13.21 | ktwilight | aktinos, sweet, works. thanks :) |
| 13:13.28 | nnull | dutchfish¬ ok thx |
| 13:13.49 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: didn't work; the installer won't accept it.. any other ideas? =x |
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| 13:15.00 | dutchfish | !blame broadcom |
| 13:15.01 | dpkg | blames twouters and broadcom for all the evil in the world |
| 13:15.33 | twouters | -_- |
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| 13:18.19 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, did you try modprobe bnx2 |
| 13:18.38 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: no clue what that is |
| 13:18.42 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, or choose from the list? |
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| 13:20.23 | mikearthur | what is the right channel to ask help with creating a new debian package? |
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| 13:22.16 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: none of them seems to fit. |
| 13:22.20 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, ok |
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| 13:22.52 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, is your bios up to date? |
| 13:23.21 | superjet_busy | !tell mikearthur about ask |
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| 13:23.36 | mikearthur | thanks superjet_busy |
| 13:24.12 | superjet_busy | mikearthur: just say your question :) |
| 13:24.19 | mikearthur | in my control file, as debuild gets my runtime deps automatically, do I add the devel packages to Build-Depends? |
| 13:24.19 | mats | can someone explain me how to convert flv in avi (i already tried it with ffmpeg and mencoder but it doesn't work) |
| 13:24.26 | mats | ? |
| 13:24.28 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, kernels > 2.6.18 should correctly recognize your card and load tg3 driver on boot, but some bios quircks can prevent this |
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| 13:25.28 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, what machine is it, if i may ask? |
| 13:25.54 | superjet_busy | mikearthur: unless you sure about the packages is needed |
| 13:26.14 | mikearthur | do you mean _if_ I'm sure? |
| 13:26.29 | mikearthur | this package uses Qt for the GUI stuff, so I should add Qt to build-depends, yes? |
| 13:26.36 | mikearthur | libqt4-dev |
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| 13:28.25 | superjet_busy | have you made the deb without errors now? |
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| 13:28.44 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: well, you want the specs |
| 13:28.46 | XTZGZoReX | ?* |
| 13:29.26 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, if posisble, i had trouble with this one myself on some supermicro machines |
| 13:29.41 | mikearthur | superjet_busy: yes but I have the packages installed |
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| 13:29.45 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, after updating bios problems were solved |
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| 13:30.16 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, same on some IBM machines |
| 13:30.20 | RichiH | !debian-multimedia |
| 13:30.20 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 13:30.22 | superjet_busy | mikearthur: apt-cache show foo | grep Dep |
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| 13:30.46 | mikearthur | superjet_busy: the binary package has fine dependencies, wondering about the source package |
| 13:30.46 | mats | for my problem i got the following response from ffmpeg:s.achtergarde@gmx.de |
| 13:30.46 | mats | Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 |
| 13:31.03 | mats | sorry for the false lins withe s.achtergarde |
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| 13:32.07 | superjet_busy | mikearthur: most times set the lower lib??-dev will ok |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | the what ? |
| 13:32.29 | mikearthur | ok, thanks |
| 13:33.58 | superjet_busy | np |
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| 13:36.07 | superjet_busy | mikearthur: and you may check the build with pbuilder |
| 13:36.21 | mikearthur | ok |
| 13:36.22 | mikearthur | thanks |
| 13:36.28 | superjet_busy | !pbuilder |
| 13:36.28 | dpkg | well, pbuilder is "personal package builder", a package which creates a chroot for building packages which are optionally targetted at releases other than the currently installed release. It is useful for checking that a package has the correct build-dependencies as well. apt-get install pbuilder && pager /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/README.Debian |
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| 13:37.18 | abrotman | mikearthur: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:37.33 | mikearthur | abrotman: it's ok, I think I have enough information now, thanks |
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| 13:38.37 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: I'm doing this through vrdp though |
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| 13:39.40 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, you mean installing debian inside a vm? |
| 13:40.22 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: indeec |
| 13:40.23 | XTZGZoReX | indeed* |
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| 13:40.55 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, in that case you have to tell vrdp what adapter to use ofr the VM's |
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| 13:42.21 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, something like -nic1 inside your vboxmanage |
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| 13:56.39 | abrotman | !flw |
| 13:56.39 | dpkg | [flw29] <resiak> Starfury^: You _never_ need to reinstall a well-kept Debian system. |
| 13:57.12 | petemc | what does flw stand for? |
| 13:57.19 | XTZGZoReX | dutchfish: ah, thanks~ |
| 13:57.20 | petemc | famous last wrords? |
| 13:57.26 | XTZGZoReX | petemc: most likely |
| 13:57.27 | XTZGZoReX | :P |
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| 13:58.11 | abrotman | petemc: yes |
| 13:58.44 | dutchfish | !coffee abrotman |
| 13:58.45 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Peruvian for abrotman, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 13:58.49 | abrotman | ew |
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| 13:59.22 | jpinx | peruvian coffee????? |
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| 14:06.29 | gahlrhl | hi, i am using lenny and xfce. where is the default webbrowser defined (and why does every newly installed one think he is "the one")? |
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| 14:07.33 | cahoot | man update-alternatives ? |
| 14:07.33 | stew | gahlrhl: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 14:08.25 | gahlrhl | cheers |
| 14:08.47 | dutchfish | is there a equiv for swfdec in kde lenny amd64 |
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| 14:09.39 | abrotman | gnash? /me thought swfdec was on all major platforms |
| 14:10.10 | dutchfish | !swfdec |
| 14:10.11 | dpkg | hmm... swfdec is another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME |
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| 14:11.00 | dutchfish | trying to setup a gnome-free kde desktop |
| 14:11.33 | jpinx | dutchfish: watch the dependencies - it's almost impossible to be gnome-free :( |
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| 14:11.37 | petemc | what does it matter if a few gnome libs are installed, out of interest |
| 14:12.05 | jpinx | petemc: in my case I am trying to get a truly minimal install with usable x |
| 14:12.07 | dutchfish | jpinx, so far i have been succesfull, only update-notifier and swfdec is what boggles my mind |
| 14:12.26 | jpinx | dutchfish: gnash might be your answer |
| 14:12.37 | dutchfish | jpinx, OK, I TRY THAT |
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| 14:12.45 | dutchfish | jpinx, sorry for the caps |
| 14:12.52 | jpinx | np |
| 14:13.04 | craigevil | why not just use Flash 10? |
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| 14:13.14 | dutchfish | flash 10? |
| 14:13.20 | jpinx | craigevil: bloat |
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| 14:13.30 | jpinx | Ibelieve gnash is much smaller |
| 14:13.39 | dutchfish | jpinx, yes |
| 14:14.09 | craigevil | using either kde or gnome isnt really going to get you a minimal system either |
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| 14:14.43 | dutchfish | craigevil, correct, but i prefer a clean KDE system atm |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | wait .. flash is bloat .. but kde/gnome are okay? |
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| 14:15.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, i didnt say that, but looking to get it at least without non-free |
| 14:16.19 | jpinx | abrotman: I was trying to go completely KDE/Gnome - free |
| 14:16.42 | dutchfish | jpinx, and may i ask what you use then? |
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| 14:17.45 | jpinx | lxde, epiphany |
| 14:18.01 | dutchfish | jpinx, i would rather stick to the console then |
| 14:18.14 | jpinx | gnash, amsn, ekiga |
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| 14:18.35 | jpinx | xchat |
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| 14:20.18 | dutchfish | jpinx, i found out, that gnome versus kde, kde saves me a lot of time |
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| 14:20.40 | dutchfish | jpinx, but thta my humble personal opinion |
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| 14:21.15 | jpinx | dutchfish: all opinions are valid;) |
| 14:21.34 | dutchfish | jpinx, :) |
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| 14:21.43 | jpinx | I was just trying to get the smallest usable system possible on an eeepc |
| 14:21.54 | doudou | Hi, i have no sound and alsaconf return nothing, asus p5k, lspci -> 02:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx Series] |
| 14:21.59 | craigevil | lxde is what i use on my 701 but it also has kde installed |
| 14:22.00 | dutchfish | jpinx, ah ic, cool |
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| 14:23.00 | dutchfish | jpinx, i have managed to get DSL with icewfm on EEEPC |
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| 14:23.48 | craigevil | the total install is right at 2.5gb, could probably get rid of most of the kde crap, i mostly just use iceweasel on it |
| 14:24.13 | jpinx | yes - I used IceWM for a short while, but lxde is much better and not bloated |
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| 14:24.22 | dutchfish | jpinx, so far i could cramp out < 60mb on disk |
| 14:24.33 | jpinx | craigevil: I'm talking about an install of less than 1GB |
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| 14:25.32 | craigevil | lxde is cool, yeah if i got rid of kde mine would be that size, gotta love the 20 sec boot time though |
| 14:25.32 | dutchfish | jpinx, i made a monolitic special for that one, that saved a lot |
| 14:26.03 | jpinx | boot? what's that - it's never off ! |
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| 14:27.19 | jpinx | ;) |
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| 14:27.35 | dutchfish | jpinx, its a nice toy, i admit ;) |
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| 14:30.22 | jpinx | the eeepc is great for travelling, but I need glasses to read the screen ;) |
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| 14:31.46 | dutchfish | grabs his multi-focal glasses again |
| 14:32.19 | jpinx | it came with xandros, but that was really poor - lenny works fine with a bit of tweaking |
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| 14:34.11 | craigevil | xandros lasted two days on mine, just enough time to mess with trying "Advanced Mode", about the only time i use mine is when the wife is on the desktop |
| 14:34.48 | dutchfish | jpinx, gnash wont do either: http://pastebin.com/m39605438 |
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| 14:38.44 | toolz | I tryed to apt-get install sendmail |
| 14:38.48 | toolz | and I get Errors in generating sendmail.cf |
| 14:38.48 | toolz | *** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER() |
| 14:38.48 | toolz | *** MAILER(`local') must appear after FEATURE(`always_add_domain')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER() |
| 14:38.48 | toolz | *** MAILER(`local') must appear after FEATURE(`allmasquerade')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER() |
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| 14:38.55 | tommy_ | hi all I've an attached an Hd with a freebsd instalaltion; cfdisk /dev/sda don't work.. any clues? |
| 14:38.56 | toolz | damn, sorry |
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| 14:40.05 | jpinx | dutchfish: I didn't realise gnash used so many libs:( |
| 14:40.44 | d3co | I need the javahome's configuration |
| 14:45.02 | tudon | maybe swf-dec is smaller jpinx |
| 14:45.12 | tudon | i dont know |
| 14:45.18 | jpinx | tudon: thanks for the tip :) |
| 14:45.28 | tudon | als swf-dec works with more sites |
| 14:45.36 | tudon | also* |
| 14:46.41 | jpinx | tudon - no package name like that |
| 14:46.46 | tudon | :O |
| 14:47.07 | gsamsa | how does a computer generate random stuff? |
| 14:47.38 | tudon | swfdec-mozilla ? |
| 14:48.07 | jpinx | tudon - yep - got it thanks |
| 14:48.18 | tudon | ofcourse remove gnash if you use swf i think |
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| 14:50.27 | jpinx | tudon - still depends on a lot of gnome loibs |
| 14:50.30 | jpinx | *libs |
| 14:50.45 | jpinx | was hoping for something smaller |
| 14:50.50 | tudon | and you dont want to use adobes flash? |
| 14:51.02 | jpinx | adobe is huge |
| 14:51.08 | jpinx | and non-free :( |
| 14:52.10 | jelly | toolz: a) why do you want sendmail? b) what debian release is this? |
| 14:52.12 | Assid | hrmm okay i tried lenny |
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| 14:52.18 | Assid | openvz is broken in it :( |
| 14:52.27 | toolz | jelly, latest |
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| 14:53.01 | tudon | i think even adobe flash uses gtk for the menu |
| 14:53.01 | jelly | toolz: cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l sendmail-base libc6 | tail -2 |
| 14:53.36 | toolz | 4.0, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries, ii sendmail-base 8.13.8-3 powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Trans |
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| 14:53.52 | jelly | toolz: I've seen sendmail in sarge create a sendmail.mc broken that way |
| 14:54.11 | toolz | Linux moon 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 09:37:57 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:54.18 | tudon | i was testing the 64 version they made of flash . works good |
| 14:54.43 | jpinx | tudon: what's the installation size? |
| 14:55.46 | jelly | toolz: like the error message suggests, move MAILER(`local') below those FEATURE lines; pastebin your sendmail.mc |
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| 14:56.27 | tudon | it is just one file or something i dont know what dependancies it needs it just worked when I installed by hand. the download tar gz is about 4 mb |
| 14:56.39 | jpinx | dutchfish: there's a good chance that adobe's will be a smaller install when you count the dependencies that the other solutions need |
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| 14:56.40 | jelly | toolz: it would be nice to know the reason for using sendmail, though. Maybe you don't really need it. |
| 14:56.41 | plb_ | Hello, came across a kernel building in debian and howto and was wondering if it's still the proper way to build a kernel..after configuring simple run "fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image" |
| 14:56.47 | plb_ | ? |
| 14:56.50 | dutchfish | jpinx, could be |
| 14:57.09 | mikearthur | plb_: yeh, basically |
| 14:57.25 | plb_ | mikearthur: does grub get updated automatically? |
| 14:57.31 | plb_ | I'm on lenny |
| 14:57.37 | tudon | they only made a x64 version for linux not for windows :) |
| 14:57.37 | mikearthur | if you install the package, yes |
| 14:57.48 | plb_ | alright thanks |
| 14:57.59 | mikearthur | np |
| 14:58.07 | jpinx | dutchfish: I'm going to do a test when I get time and see if the dependencies are shared or not |
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| 14:58.32 | jpinx | the ultimate small system will have as many shared dependencies as possible |
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| 15:00.11 | tudon | dillo 2 was released now based on fltk |
| 15:00.17 | tudon | very light browser |
| 15:00.23 | tudon | but cant do any flash and stuf |
| 15:00.53 | jpinx | tudon - I rephrase - "the ultimate *useable* small system" ;) |
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| 15:01.18 | tudon | i hate to mention another commercial program but opera comes to mind |
| 15:01.33 | jpinx | tudon: much bigger than epiphany |
| 15:01.35 | plb_ | btw, when building a kernel does make menuconfig generate debian defaults? |
| 15:01.45 | tudon | hmm i doubt that |
| 15:02.04 | tudon | iv studied the memory usage |
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| 15:02.21 | tudon | it is in many cases smaller in print than firefox for one atleast |
| 15:02.30 | jpinx | tudon Opera 31.1MBs - Epiphany 7471KBs |
| 15:02.40 | craigevil | midori is small and usable, Installed-Size: 852, opera uses as much ram as iceweasel |
| 15:02.45 | tudon | install size. ah |
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| 15:03.02 | dutchfish | jpinx, ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer. |
| 15:03.14 | jpinx | dutchfish: bummer:( |
| 15:03.20 | tudon | they have anb alpha version |
| 15:03.22 | dutchfish | jpinx, yep |
| 15:03.35 | tudon | google flash 10 x64 linux |
| 15:03.44 | craigevil | flash 10 has a beta that works on 64bit |
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| 15:03.58 | plb_ | how is it performance wise for 64? |
| 15:04.08 | plb_ | haven't tried it yet |
| 15:04.19 | tudon | i did not notice much change eventhough it no longer uses pluginwrapper |
| 15:04.49 | toolz | jelly, I need to send e-mails from my server |
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| 15:04.59 | d3co | my users can not login with my ltsp server! only root :D |
| 15:05.45 | plb_ | btw, anyone on lenny have issues with xserver not closing? |
| 15:05.52 | plb_ | amd64 |
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| 15:06.17 | d3co | finish installing my server ltsp but now the problem is in my users! |
| 15:06.53 | dutchfish | craigevil, any hints how to install that, i still get the same message (there is no install script along) |
| 15:06.56 | jelly | toolz: is that all? |
| 15:07.02 | craigevil | http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.d20.7.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz |
| 15:07.07 | toolz | jelly yes |
| 15:07.09 | toolz | jelly, http://pastebin.com/m5b577336 |
| 15:07.15 | jelly | toolz: the default exim4-daemon-light would have worked. |
| 15:07.22 | d3co | can you help with the ltsp user crash login? :s |
| 15:07.28 | toolz | well before installing sendmail mails werent sent |
| 15:07.38 | jelly | toolz: I recommend using postfix or exim instead. |
| 15:07.41 | dutchfish | craigevil, yes, used that one, no installer script inside |
| 15:07.52 | toolz | jelly ok and what would you recommend me do? |
| 15:08.10 | toolz | jelly, to install sendmail I did: apt-get install sendmail sendmail-bin rmail |
| 15:08.21 | jelly | installing and using postfix or exim4-daemon-light |
| 15:08.31 | craigevil | dutchfish: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/#section-3 |
| 15:08.31 | plb_ | hm |
| 15:08.53 | plb_ | I just tried flashplayer 10 for amd64 and it crashed iceweasel when going to youtube |
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| 15:09.20 | ham5 | old flash didnt crash? |
| 15:09.29 | plb_ | never tried the old one |
| 15:09.33 | dutchfish | craigevil, yes, but it hints to the installer script (wich isnt there) |
| 15:09.48 | dutchfish | craigevil, using the tar.gz apackage |
| 15:09.52 | plb_ | Seg fault |
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| 15:10.31 | craigevil | dutchfish: you can try using debian-multimedia.org's repo he has flash 10 64 bit |
| 15:10.41 | plb_ | lemme try |
| 15:10.54 | Assid | there be a problem matey! |
| 15:11.22 | dutchfish | craigevil, i will manually copy the .so into plugin dir and try to config iceweasel manually |
| 15:11.55 | dutchfish | craigevil, yes, that worked well, thank you |
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| 15:12.07 | plb_ | craigevil: it's swfdec-mozilla? |
| 15:12.17 | choxos | only Ubuntu GNU/Linux:D |
| 15:12.19 | plb_ | er nm |
| 15:12.27 | craigevil | flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 15:12.48 | Assid | is there a channel for lenny specific |
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| 15:13.04 | jpinx | Assid: just ask your question here |
| 15:13.31 | plb_ | yeah one from debian multimedia seems to work |
| 15:13.33 | FatalError | can ntpd be used as an ntp server too? or just a client? I'm trying to figure out how to set up an ntp server, but not having so much luck figuring out which software to use |
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| 15:13.40 | Assid | i loaded up openvz .. now.. everything seems to be ok.. so far atleast. however, i used to be able to set cpulimit and cpus .. andnow i cant |
| 15:14.14 | Assid | the settings i set to the VE's arent being reflected.. others such as disk increment works |
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| 15:15.06 | belltrump | hello. how secure is gdm or locking the screen in general. when i lock my screen a scrensaver comes on and i'm prompted for a pass if i want back in. is this completely secure or is there a known vulnerability to bypass? |
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| 15:17.16 | jpinx | belltrump: for total security, switch the machine off, unplug the power and remove the hard-drive. |
| 15:17.21 | plb_ | well you can always alt+f2 for instance to get to a terminal but you need a password |
| 15:18.17 | jpinx | belltrump: I know of people who can get into any computer that has an operating system running.;) |
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| 15:19.53 | belltrump | wow, cool. leet hax0rs |
| 15:20.13 | plb_ | ya livecd ;] |
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| 15:21.16 | dutchfish | craigevil, mkdir /home/[usr]/.mozilla/firefox/plugins copy the .so into it, was enough to get working in user mode |
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| 15:21.53 | Assid | jpinx: any idea on this? |
| 15:22.07 | plb_ | By chance anyone have an ati x1200 graphics card? |
| 15:22.25 | belltrump | oh, i'm not trying to get into the computer. |
| 15:22.34 | plb_ | wondering if it's fglrx causing this x problem |
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| 15:24.02 | plb_ | man I forgot how long it took for kernel compilations it's been so long |
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| 15:24.40 | dutchfish | plb_, ccache ? |
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| 15:25.18 | plb_ | hm not sure.. |
| 15:25.35 | dutchfish | !ccache |
| 15:25.36 | dpkg | it has been said that ccache is a tool for speeding up compiling times by using cached data, or awesome, or at http://ccache.samba.org/ |
| 15:25.48 | plb_ | hm |
| 15:25.53 | plb_ | I'll have to check that out |
| 15:26.41 | plb_ | dutchfish: so what's the procedure for using for say building a kernel |
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| 15:27.15 | plb_ | I just configured my kernel and ran that whole fakeroot thing |
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| 15:28.03 | plb_ | ah nm I think I just found a good article for it |
| 15:28.12 | plb_ | from 2005 lol |
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| 15:31.35 | thnee | can i start two instances of Xorg, and switch between them, on the same monitor? |
| 15:31.51 | dutchfish | plb_, its quiet old, however it speeds up alot, specially on multu-core |
| 15:32.56 | belltrump | really |
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| 15:33.25 | dutchfish | plb_, you also might want to delve in distcc |
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| 15:33.35 | plb_ | dutchfish: so basically after install you just add export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH to your bashrc? |
| 15:33.50 | dutchfish | plb_, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/129 |
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| 15:34.01 | plb_ | ya that's what I'm looking at |
| 15:34.08 | dutchfish | plb_, :) |
| 15:34.08 | belltrump | thnee: ever get an answer |
| 15:34.08 | belltrump | ? |
| 15:34.22 | thnee | belltrump: huh? |
| 15:34.47 | belltrump | <thnee> can i start two instances of Xorg, and switch between them, on the same monitor? |
| 15:34.52 | thnee | i know what i said |
| 15:35.25 | cahoot | thnee: xephyr/xnest isn't an option? |
| 15:35.32 | thnee | i have no idea |
| 15:35.41 | thnee | i'll have a look |
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| 15:36.43 | thnee | cahoot: no, that is not what i am looking for |
| 15:37.01 | thnee | cahoot: i want only 1 server to draw to the screen at one time |
| 15:37.13 | thnee | and be able to switch between them |
| 15:37.35 | peterrooney | thnee: yes, you can. |
| 15:37.42 | belltrump | what? like xserver-1 on tty7 and xserver-2 on tty7? |
| 15:38.07 | thnee | well i dont know if you can have them on the same tty, if i could have one at tty6 and one at tty7, that would be gret |
| 15:38.11 | belltrump | *what? like xserver-1 on tty7 and xserver-2 on tty6? |
| 15:38.15 | thnee | right |
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| 15:38.24 | belltrump | yeah. that's what i meant. |
| 15:38.31 | peterrooney | thnee: /usr/bin/X11/X :2 vt8 |
| 15:38.40 | jelly | that works. ubuntu has it by default, afair |
| 15:38.45 | jelly | "switch user" |
| 15:38.53 | Zvpun | http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/easytag.html Can you please explain why its not in testing, I read it but dont understand its meaning. |
| 15:38.54 | thnee | oh, they run mutliple x's for that |
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| 15:39.06 | peterrooney | thnee: you might want to background it so you can easily add an Xterm or window manager. |
| 15:39.12 | jelly | thnee: yes. it's too useful to be incuded in d tho |
| 15:39.18 | thnee | peterrooney: why is that? |
| 15:39.27 | thnee | jelly: :P |
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| 15:40.05 | thnee | peterrooney: well ok, thanks, i guess vt8 is for the different ttys? |
| 15:40.19 | peterrooney | because starting X by itself is almost completely useless |
| 15:40.44 | peterrooney | so you'd have |
| 15:40.47 | peterrooney | user@host $ /usr/bin/X11/X :2 vt8 & |
| 15:40.49 | belltrump | yeah. how would you launch that new xserver on vt8 but have xfce or kde run as well? |
| 15:40.56 | peterrooney | user@host $ DISPLAY=:2 xterm & |
| 15:41.12 | scribeskul | Does anyone have any proof as to how stable Lenny is (like user stories, etc)... I am running etch with 2.6.26 kernel, but a lot of packages I have are outdated packages, such as libasound2, and things like the newest wine, etc, need updated packages to run (1.1.10 for example)...I'm thinking of doing a complete redo of the whole system to lenny, but I can't pull the trigger haha...getting closer to it though |
| 15:41.13 | peterrooney | user@host $ DISPLAY=:2 startkde |
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| 15:41.46 | peterrooney | thnee: sorry, should be DISPLAY=:2 startkde & |
| 15:42.03 | thnee | peterrooney: i get the idea, thanks |
| 15:42.14 | scribeskul | I guess if I knew there were some people using Lenny for daily use and getting by fine, I'd feel safer in pulling that release trigger |
| 15:42.15 | peterrooney | but if you start the xterm, it has display set correctly anyways. |
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| 15:43.16 | peterrooney | scribeskul: i use lenny on powerpc, and flash is still a hassle. otherwise, all good. |
| 15:43.27 | thnee | peterrooney: but how do i find which vt number correlates to a tty number? |
| 15:43.32 | begemot | Greetings, everyone! |
| 15:43.33 | begemot | I have a question about bash scripting, gentlemans, how can i get analogy for python's "range(number)" function in bash? |
| 15:43.36 | toolz | how do I generate sendmail.cf from sendmail.mc |
| 15:43.40 | begemot | Or just insert this puython func into the bash script? |
| 15:43.42 | toolz | for debian |
| 15:43.55 | peterrooney | thnee: one to one. vt8 == tty8, vt7 == tty7, etc. |
| 15:44.00 | thnee | oh =) |
| 15:44.06 | belltrump | peterrooney: i tried that . i got X to launch on vt8, but i wasn't able to get kde running |
| 15:44.11 | thnee | i thought vt8 should have been tty6 somehow |
| 15:44.17 | peterrooney | begemot: join #bash |
| 15:44.33 | scribeskul | peterrooney: is it just a case of downloading new updates as they occur through the update manager? (I'd assume there are alot of updates that come through for lenny vs. etch) |
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| 15:44.56 | begemot | peterrooney: thanks. (: Sorry 4 token time... |
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| 15:45.14 | peterrooney | scribeskul: yeah, a dist-upgrade does take a bit of downloading |
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| 15:45.43 | belltrump | peterrooney: is it possible to get kde running on the second terminal as well |
| 15:45.58 | jelly | toolz: cd /etc/mail; make |
| 15:46.18 | jelly | toolz: let me reiterate, it's better to use postfix instead! |
| 15:46.24 | Zvpun | Why is easytag not in testing? qa says its in freeze, but what does that mean? |
| 15:46.27 | peterrooney | belltrump: yes. earlier, i said "user@host $ DISPLAY=:2 startkde &" |
| 15:46.37 | toolz | jelly, why its better? |
| 15:46.45 | lexoplex | Hi, I'm trying to connect to my AP using WPA2. When I manually call wpa_supplicant, I get this: http://rafb.net/p/hnfkow57.html |
| 15:46.52 | scribeskul | peterrooney: not a dist-upgrade (I'll just download a lenny image and start fresh), but I mean with Lenny do you just keep getting updates until it turns stable, or if using Lenny, will a complete reinstall be necessary when Lenny turns stable? In other words, does Lenny update 'as you use it' until it reaches a point of 'stable'? |
| 15:46.59 | lexoplex | (this is under Lenny) |
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| 15:47.00 | cahoot | Zvpun: try /msg dpkg why is easytag not intesting |
| 15:47.13 | cahoot | err in testing |
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| 15:47.13 | toolz | Ok I removed sendmail |
| 15:47.13 | jelly | toolz: /msg dpkg sendmail, /msg dpkg mta comparison |
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| 15:47.28 | plb_ | scribeskul: if you have lenny in sources.list it will be lenny when it's stable |
| 15:47.30 | toolz | jelly, how do I install the other? which one would you recommend me |
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| 15:47.51 | jelly | toolz: postfix or exim4-daemon-light |
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| 15:48.23 | orzel | hello. i've just upgraded a webserver from etch to lenny. And web applications now fail with (for ex): "Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration" |
| 15:48.48 | orzel | for some reason php-mysql was not installed, i've installed it, but this doesn't solve the pb |
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| 15:49.06 | orzel | "php5-mysql" to be precise |
| 15:49.14 | Zvpun | cahoot: it says: internal server error (the link it gave me) |
| 15:49.23 | lexoplex | I can't make any sense of these error messages... |
| 15:49.29 | Zvpun | cahoot: qa says its in freezing, but what is the meaning of easytag is in freezing |
| 15:49.31 | Orion_X11 | How long will it take for lenny to became stable? And what will it be the new testing name? |
| 15:49.42 | orzel | i've looked into apache (none) and php config file, but couldn't find a way to make apache/php use this mysql stuff. Of course i've restarted apache each time. Do you have any advice/suggestion ?? |
| 15:49.43 | Zvpun | I want easytag, i have testing, what are my options, what do you suggest? |
| 15:49.44 | plb_ | Orion_X11: when it's ready of course ;] |
| 15:49.47 | peterrooney | scribeskul: it's my understanding that when testing goes stable, there is no big update. it's just a declaration of an existing condition. |
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| 15:49.58 | plb_ | Orion_X11: next release will be squeeze |
| 15:50.21 | cahoot | Zvpun: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=easytag |
| 15:51.02 | belltrump | peterrooney: yeah. i read that. this is what i got |
| 15:51.05 | belltrump | # DISPLAY=:2 startkde & |
| 15:51.05 | belltrump | [1] 4829 |
| 15:51.09 | toolz | jelly, I did apt-get install postfix, and it asked me for configuration site, and I selected internet site, and its done |
| 15:51.12 | toolz | jelly, is it ok? |
| 15:51.28 | toolz | /usr/lib/postfix/master is running |
| 15:51.34 | scribeskul | peterrooney: thanks! I think that's enough to get me to switch over to lenny. It's turning out that I need the latest and greatest package updates after-all to get some things running correctly |
| 15:52.20 | scribeskul | plu s I'm only seeing a few bugs in the standard install for Lenny.. (bind9, nfs-utils, etc) |
| 15:52.28 | peterrooney | belltrump: i'm sorry, i can't recall the command to start kde directly without invoking kdm ( i use wdm here ) |
| 15:52.28 | Zvpun | cahoot: Internal server error |
| 15:52.36 | plb_ | startkde |
| 15:53.04 | cahoot | Zvpun: sure shows up here |
| 15:53.08 | peterrooney | scribeskul: don't just take my word for it. |
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| 15:53.31 | Zvpun | cahoot: hm |
| 15:54.12 | Zvpun | cahoot: and now back to my original question: What does is in freeze mean? |
| 15:54.44 | thnee | peterrooney: i started X as root, and when i do "sudo DISPLAY=:2 xterm", it says "Warning: This program is an suid-root program or is being run by the root user. ... " and the problem is that "it cant open display :2" |
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| 15:54.59 | thnee | peterrooney: what does this mean? am i doing something wrong? |
| 15:55.00 | joltcan | Zvpun: No new packets and only minor fixes |
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| 15:57.29 | orzel | nobody can help me with this php/mysql problem ? |
| 15:57.37 | begemot | Guys, i have Dell 1501, installed Deian Lenny beta 2 just base system and desktop-env, all works perfectly, then i've updated the system (about 200 Mb's of packets), and then mouse didn't work |
| 15:57.44 | begemot | Is it normal? (: |
| 15:58.04 | begemot | Not mouse, a touchpad, sorry! |
| 15:58.17 | scribeskul | peterrooney: I won't, I'm just trying to get a feel of how secure, etc. Lenny is vs Etch, and if it is worth the full switch. I noticed Lenny has been frozen for some months now, which is a good thing I imagine...I suppose the only thing that would worry me are security updates not being actively created, though I also imagine the best thing to do would be to just try it myself :) haha |
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| 15:58.44 | plb_ | I would say lenny isn't ready for mission critical stuff but is fine for a desktop |
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| 15:59.20 | dutchfish | scribeskul, dont use lenny on pruduction system (yet) |
| 15:59.24 | stew | scribeskul: testing gets security updates *almost all of the time. you can look over the DSAs at http://security.debian.org and you'd see that almost all included an update for lenny |
| 15:59.26 | Zvpun | Can someone explain please: whats the problem with easytag. I FOUND the |
| 15:59.37 | Zvpun | Can someone explain please: whats the problem with easytag. I FOUND http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/easytag.html bug DONT UNDERSTAND it. |
| 16:00.00 | stew | scribeskul: in any event i'd recommend subscribing to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 16:00.15 | scribeskul | stew: Oh, I was going by Debian.org's description of 'testing' vs. stable. Stated security updates weren't actively released...maybe I misunderstood haha |
| 16:00.22 | stew | Zvpun: what do you want to know? |
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| 16:01.25 | stew | scribeskul: they are actively released these days, there is an active testing security team that works directly with the security team. However, the security team won't hold up a security fix if testing-security doesn't have one ready |
| 16:01.26 | scribeskul | dutchfish: Would just be a desktop/office-at-home system I would be using Lenny on, not a server or anything as such |
| 16:01.32 | stew | scribeskul: so that page is somewhat outdated |
| 16:01.37 | Zvpun | stew: I am sorry for the double post. I dont understand the qa information on why easytag is not in testing. Its written there but I dont understand it. I need help, someone willing to explain it to me. |
| 16:02.05 | Eulex | Zvpun, backport it |
| 16:02.13 | Eulex | !tell Zvpun about ssb |
| 16:02.16 | scribeskul | stew: Well that's awesome! Seems there's nothing that is really preventing me from moving on from the etch days then |
| 16:02.26 | stew | Zvpun: are you wanting to know what it was removed? or why it hasn't yet entered testing again since it's removal? |
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| 16:03.03 | jelly | toolz: if you want to use this machine as a mail server, then internet site is ok. |
| 16:03.13 | toolz | thanks |
| 16:03.19 | toolz | yeah I tested the site and it sends the mails |
| 16:04.13 | Zvpun | stew: why its not entered. Reason: I want to install it. |
| 16:04.35 | plb_ | Zvpun: you can build it from source |
| 16:04.42 | plb_ | I suspect it's not that hard |
| 16:04.43 | stew | Zvpun: testing is currently frozen, new packages will not enter testing unless there is a very good reason |
| 16:05.09 | Zvpun | stew: is this because a new debian version will be released? |
| 16:05.12 | stew | Zvpun: yes |
| 16:05.17 | plb_ | alright time to test this new kernel wish me look! |
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| 16:05.28 | Zvpun | ok, than thank you guys for your help and I try to get the one from unstable. |
| 16:05.30 | plb_ | luck rather |
| 16:05.31 | plb_ | lol |
| 16:05.45 | rio | hi, im trying to build a toolchain for armeb-linux-gnu, but i can't find libc6-dev and libc6 packages for armeb |
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| 16:05.52 | rio | the mirrors only have arm and armel |
| 16:06.43 | stew | judd: verions libc6-dev --arch arm |
| 16:06.43 | judd | stew: Error: "verions" is not a valid command. |
| 16:06.48 | stew | judd: versions libc6-dev --arch arm |
| 16:06.48 | judd | stew: libc6-dev -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-3 |
| 16:07.26 | stew | rio: oh is arm not the same as armeb? |
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| 16:07.50 | rio | stew: i don't know |
| 16:08.16 | Zvpun | juchu, with your help i managed to finally get easytag, thanks |
| 16:08.17 | rio | stew: should i copy the includes and libs from /usr/arm-linux-gnu to /usr/armeb-linux-gnu? |
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| 16:08.20 | rio | not sure.. |
| 16:08.37 | scribeskul | judd: versions libasound2 --arch arm |
| 16:08.39 | judd | scribeskul: libasound2 -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.16-2 experimental: 1.0.18-1 |
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| 16:10.01 | alessiofachechi | hello |
| 16:10.11 | scribeskul | peterrooney: One quick question, if I may, I am trying to upgrade wine 1.1.1 to wine 1.1.10, is it possible to use 'lenny' packages from the repos to get to the updated dependencies for wine 1.1.10 i need? |
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| 16:10.14 | stew | rio: yeah, its different, http://debian.org/ports lists armeb as a 'not yet released' port |
| 16:10.27 | scribeskul | peterrooney: They don't appear in the backports, these packages I need, which is why I ask |
| 16:10.46 | stew | rio: and it points here: http://www.debonaras.org/ |
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| 16:10.54 | rio | stew: hum, but i need to crosscompile for my nslu2 :( |
| 16:11.15 | alessiofachechi | i'd know if it's possible to convert a tar.gz (which contain data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz) in deb package.. |
| 16:11.24 | plb_ | Hm ok I must have missed something I get unable to mount VFS unable to mount fs on unknown block (0,0) |
| 16:12.03 | rio | stew: ah theres a mirror containing the debs thanks |
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| 16:13.23 | scribeskul | frozen just means that no new packages will be released, right? |
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| 16:14.33 | stew | scribeskul: it means they only get into testing via a manual freeze exception from a release manager or by someone uploding directly to testing-proposed-updates with approval from a release manager |
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| 16:15.00 | stew | scribeskul: and in general, those are only going to be fixed old packages, not new packages |
| 16:15.26 | scribeskul | stew: thank you. In general though, lenny is 'newer' than etch could ever be, correct? |
| 16:15.33 | plb_ | Anyone want to help me out I've configure a customer kernel and ran fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image and installed it, rebooted. And I get unable to mount fs on unknown block (0,0) |
| 16:15.47 | pif | hi, any user of encfs ? |
| 16:16.13 | plb_ | hmm |
| 16:16.15 | stew | scribeskul: yes, etch was frozen in 2006, lenny was frozen 6 months ago |
| 16:16.28 | plb_ | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set in .config |
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| 16:16.36 | plb_ | I suspect that could be a problem |
| 16:16.48 | scribeskul | stew: OH, so the only new packages available for etch are basically backports? |
| 16:17.27 | scribeskul | stew: you'll have to forgive me, I am relatively new to the concepts, not necessarily Debian, but the concepts of package upgrades, etc |
| 16:17.59 | scribeskul | i'm learning as i go haha |
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| 16:20.38 | stew | scribeskul: with only a few exceptions the only packages that are entering etch are old versions with security patches |
| 16:21.03 | stew | scribeskul: exceptions being stuff like new tzdata for stuff like the argintinian DST changes |
| 16:21.05 | belltrump | peterrooney: have you got that DISPLAY command to work and load a wm on a different terminal? i cant seem to get it working. i have tried with xdm, kdm, startkde, and startx. all return a 4-digit number enclosed in brackets and nothing else. |
| 16:21.32 | stew | or ikiwiki, for i have no idea what reason |
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| 16:22.00 | scribeskul | stew: Thanks! You've been a big help! I'm almost done downloading Lenny now, and I plan on just doing a complete reinstall. (I have time to kill, it's snowing here haha). |
| 16:23.38 | alessiofachechi | i'd know if it's possible to convert a tar.gz (which contain data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz) in deb package.. |
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| 16:25.19 | stew | scribeskul: you're welcome. have fun :) |
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| 16:26.11 | alessiofachechi | can anybody elp me? |
| 16:26.14 | alessiofachechi | help* |
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| 16:26.49 | AusLoki | how can I recursivley extract the files in a tar archive if I do not have permission to overright directories, only their contents? |
| 16:27.03 | belltrump | by hand |
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| 16:28.44 | DeathKin3 | oops. |
| 16:28.46 | DeathKin3 | Forgot the / |
| 16:28.48 | DeathKin3 | lol |
| 16:30.10 | rio | puh can't install libc6-armeb-cross because it depends on libdb1-compat-armeb-cross and libdb1-compat-armeb-dcv1 |
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| 16:30.13 | rio | do i need those too? |
| 16:31.50 | rio | ah got it working |
| 16:33.25 | JyZyXEL | wasn't x86 instruction set supposed to be compatible with x86_64 |
| 16:33.49 | JyZyXEL | so why doesn't like x86 flash work in x86_64 environment? |
| 16:34.47 | stew | JyZyXEL: it is |
| 16:34.54 | stew | JyZyXEL: it does |
| 16:35.07 | JyZyXEL | it does? |
| 16:35.08 | stew | yes |
| 16:35.11 | JyZyXEL | i though it didn't? |
| 16:35.33 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: the problem's that you can't easily access a 32-bit library from 64-bit code |
| 16:35.52 | stew | JyZyXEL: for instance, on amd64, the flashplugin-nonfree package would install a 32 bit flash plugin that works in 64 bit iceweasel by using nspluginwrapper to communicate with iceweasel |
| 16:36.02 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: flash does work, however, with nspluginwrapper (which spawns the flash plugin in a 32-bit process) |
| 16:36.21 | JyZyXEL | how about device drivers? |
| 16:36.37 | stew | JyZyXEL: can you be more specific? |
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| 16:36.58 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't it be basicly possible to run any x86 program in amd64? |
| 16:37.06 | patrikf | it *is* possible |
| 16:37.07 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 16:37.15 | patrikf | it's just hard to *intermix* 64bit and 32bit code |
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| 16:37.49 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: if you have a 32bit program and all the 32bit libraries for it, it will run on amd64, even on a 64-bit kernel |
| 16:37.50 | lfelipe | hey, I'm packaging some stuff, and I've bumped a version of a package and it has a new package dependency (something which wasn't being installed before). Now apt-get upgrade is keeping it back because of this, and dist-upgrade works ok. How do I make the regular upgrade work ? |
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| 16:38.08 | JyZyXEL | oh well that sounds right |
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| 16:38.18 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: what is not possible, however, is that a 32bit program uses 64bit libraries |
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| 16:38.30 | stew | lfelipe: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:38.55 | JyZyXEL | and what about kernel modules? |
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| 16:39.42 | patrikf | JyZyXEL: I would guess they wouldn't work directly... stuff like ndiswrapper might do some trickery, but ordinary kernel modules probably not |
| 16:40.39 | lfelipe | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1283673 |
| 16:40.41 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, kernel modules need to be built for the specific kernel version they'd run under |
| 16:41.13 | JyZyXEL | i figured |
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| 16:41.42 | stew | lfelipe: i don't understand. what is the problem? |
| 16:41.49 | mikearthur | is it possible to cross-compile with debuild? |
| 16:41.54 | stew | lfelipe: the problem is that when you run "upgrade" you have packages kept back? |
| 16:42.00 | lfelipe | yes |
| 16:42.10 | lfelipe | those efl libraries now depend on a new one, eina |
| 16:42.20 | lfelipe | which is only marked to be installed when you dist-upgrade |
| 16:42.44 | stew | lfelipe: yes, upgrade will never add or remove a package, so if upgrading a package requires some new pacakge to be installed or some installed package to be removed it is skipped |
| 16:42.48 | stew | lfelipe: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 16:43.27 | lfelipe | there's no way ? |
| 16:43.43 | stew | lfelipe: use dist-upgrade or apt-get install packagename |
| 16:43.58 | stew | lfelipe: you have just discovered the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 16:44.16 | lfelipe | yep |
| 16:44.26 | jelly | stew: "dist-" |
| 16:44.46 | stew | jelly: thanks! |
| 16:44.53 | jelly | !win me |
| 16:44.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:45.11 | jelly | adds yet another one to the collection |
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| 16:45.46 | enouf | is confused about jelly 's supposed correction |
| 16:46.08 | lfelipe | stew: problem is I'm trying to work with the application manager from maemo |
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| 16:46.28 | lfelipe | and it is not showing me that updates are available because of that |
| 16:46.33 | stew | lfelipe: oh, please go to #maemo for help with meamo |
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| 16:47.23 | kqr | i've made some filming with the camera in my sony ericsson cellphone... i can watch the 3gp films with any video player (vlc, mplayer), but there's no sound... based on what i can tell i don't have the required codec. how can i figure out what codec's needed, and how to install it? |
| 16:47.45 | enouf | kqr: just install everything from dmm :-P |
| 16:47.52 | kqr | enouf: huh? |
| 16:47.59 | enouf | !dmm |
| 16:47.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
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| 16:48.28 | RichiH | is there a shell equivalent of DOS' echo on? |
| 16:48.36 | stew | RichiH: set +x |
| 16:48.38 | jelly | RichiH: set -x |
| 16:48.41 | RichiH | ta |
| 16:48.44 | stew | win jelly |
| 16:48.51 | jelly | not again |
| 16:49.27 | jelly | RichiH: set +x is "echo off" |
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| 16:51.57 | MaleXachi | Hello Again :-) |
| 16:52.35 | kqr | enouf: so, i've enabled dmm, but what do i need to install? |
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| 16:53.40 | phiscribe | i have a module ive created, a special video4linux driver made to work with mach64 modules, i can use insmod to get it loaded, but i want to be able to use modprobe to load it, ive placed it in /lib/modules/'uname -a'/drivers/media/video and ran depmod -ea, modprobe still doesnt see it, what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:53.55 | enouf | kqr: maybe start with the w32codec pkg? |
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| 16:54.33 | enouf | kqr: do you require some video4linux (v4l, v4l2) stuffs? i'm not sure what you need |
| 16:54.53 | kqr | enouf: neither am i, uh, is there a way to make vlc or mplayer or whatever tell me that? x) |
| 16:55.06 | phiscribe | i need this module gerericv4l.ko to be seen by modprobe |
| 16:55.25 | enouf | phiscribe: hrm .. modules.dep .. wait, you ran depmod -a ... |
| 16:56.20 | cahoot | phiscribe: read man modprobe - obviously it should be placed outside the kernelversion |
| 16:56.58 | enouf | cahoot: ahh .. same person, diff network? heh |
| 16:57.18 | lvh_ | where is the email address stored where email is sent when a cron job fails? |
| 16:57.20 | phiscribe | i had v4l-conf seeing /dev/vidoeo0 once and xawtv would start, i reboot and know nadda...ugg so close yet so far |
| 16:57.23 | cahoot | same problem at least |
| 16:57.37 | enouf | lvh_: depends - look in /var/mail/name |
| 16:57.56 | lvh_ | enouf: /var/mail is empty |
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| 16:58.09 | cahoot | phiscribe: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/man/man8/modprobe.8.html - see strategy |
| 16:58.16 | enouf | lvh_: then try ~/Mail and /root/* |
| 16:58.17 | kqr | enouf: does "Cannot find codec for audio format 0x726D6173." tell you anything about what i need? |
| 16:58.31 | enouf | kqr: heh - not really |
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| 16:58.57 | enouf | kqr: if you can attach a name to that hex , then maybe |
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| 16:59.15 | stew | lets call it fred |
| 16:59.25 | enouf | haha |
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| 16:59.26 | DragoraN | ho |
| 16:59.28 | DragoraN | hi |
| 16:59.48 | DragoraN | is it good idea to have DNS records stored in ldap? (webhosting company) |
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| 17:00.22 | JyZyXEL | DragoraN i stored mine in zoneedit.com |
| 17:00.23 | JyZyXEL | its free |
| 17:00.35 | lvh_ | enouf: no ~/Mail dir, /root has the usual dotfiles (history, ivmifno, bashrc and profile) |
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| 17:01.22 | Bodsda | hi, im looking at the debian iso download page, and have no idea which one to download, can anyone point me to the right one? |
| 17:01.28 | enouf | lvh_: well .. /etc/syslog.conf should have the details about where stuff goes - or see if there's a related /etc/default/* file with settings |
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| 17:02.09 | DragoraN | JyZyXEL: great idea, but still... can i have them as secondary? or can i have my server aj secondary? |
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| 17:02.13 | kqr | enouf: "[00000337] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `samr'." tells you anything more? |
| 17:02.15 | enouf | hrm .. mine is commented out :-/ #cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 17:02.35 | enouf | mail.* -/var/log/mail.log |
| 17:02.54 | enouf | awe crap .. not the '-' thing ... ugh |
| 17:03.30 | enouf | kqr: i'm sure the folks in #mplayer and #videolan can tell you what's needed |
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| 17:05.24 | MaleXachi | I have a difficult problem with Flashplayer in iceweasel web browser. The plugin finder indicates that it has downloaded and installed, but there is no flash appears. Who knows how I can solve? |
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| 17:06.52 | tudon | does about:plugins in iceweasel list flash |
| 17:07.09 | tudon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.06 | plb_ | MaleXachi: how did you install it? |
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| 17:08.18 | MaleXachi | tudon: Yes, that is installed, but he picked him. Strangely enough. |
| 17:08.39 | rio | hm, isn't there a newer libc6 for armeb? 2.3.2 is a bit old :( |
| 17:08.56 | MaleXachi | plb_: Through plugins |
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| 17:09.18 | plb_ | MaleXachi: I had a strange issue with flash also installing from debian multimedia solved the problem |
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| 17:11.24 | MaleXachi | plb_: Debian multimedia installation, I also carried out, but still flash player is not given. There is, however, that there are missing plugins (Flash player). |
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| 17:12.12 | plb_ | MaleXachi: strange I just installed about 30min ago on my amd64 and it works fine |
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| 17:13.12 | enouf | symlink or cp /usr/lib/{mozilla,firefox,iceweasel}/plugins/libflashplugin.so.x or whatever into your ~/.{mozilla,firefox,iceweasel}/../../plugins ? |
| 17:13.26 | MaleXachi | Yes, I just get a hint that I need to enter a command. Take a look. |
| 17:13.29 | enouf | and update your pluginreg.dat file? |
| 17:13.49 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:13.50 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 17:15.18 | dacs | i have a question, if i am at work , and i am able to ssh to my homebox , can i pull my desktop from my debian to my work laptop here?! |
| 17:15.44 | maligor | sure |
| 17:15.46 | enouf | !sshx |
| 17:15.46 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 17:15.49 | kqr | hmm, mplayer complains about "Cannot find codec 'libamr_nb' in libavcodec..." but i have installed amrnb and libamrnb3... there is no libamr_nb in dmm... is there something i've missed? |
| 17:15.56 | DragoraN | when i have many servers with same credentials, should i use ldap or what? (or nss-mysql, etc..) |
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| 17:16.25 | themill | dacs: it will probably involve you forwarding the ssh port on your adsl modem -- depends on your home network configuration. Also look at x11vnc. |
| 17:16.29 | enouf | kqr: you might need to compile it in .. no idea about that codec |
| 17:16.44 | maligor | enouf, mm, does x allow you to copy your existing desktop? |
| 17:16.46 | enouf | kqr: install ffmpeg too .. |
| 17:17.06 | dacs | themill: enouf: will this still work even my work pc is windows |
| 17:17.09 | maligor | since I rather suspect you'd have to use vnc to get the actual 'desktop' if you have it active |
| 17:17.31 | kqr | enouf: ah, that's what was missing |
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| 17:18.15 | themill | dacs: you'll need an x-server for windows too. There are various free and commercial ones around. Look at cygwin.com for free. |
| 17:18.20 | enouf | maligor: perhaps - not sure ... hrm .. vnc is an option too i suppose, and so is freenx/nomachine ? |
| 17:18.38 | dacs | themill: i am running Exceed at work |
| 17:18.54 | maligor | dacs, you can also use ssh tunneling to get vnc/nx over it |
| 17:19.03 | enouf | oh, work pc is windows |
| 17:19.11 | enouf | i guess rdesktop is out? :-p |
| 17:19.14 | themill | dacs: then that's all you need. tunnel the X connection through ssh |
| 17:19.18 | dacs | enouf: yeah, what you suggest |
| 17:19.35 | dacs | themill: how would i tunnel it? |
| 17:19.56 | datacrusher | i wish they could |
| 17:20.00 | maligor | dacs, it's usually a option in ssh :P |
| 17:20.04 | MaleXachi | enouf: that command can not really haha |
| 17:20.11 | maligor | dacs, rather depends what client you use |
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| 17:20.40 | dacs | maligor: at work i use SecureCRT or Exceed or Putty |
| 17:20.44 | dacs | pick one :) |
| 17:20.53 | enouf | MaleXachi: well .. there wasn't really a command there - look at the info on wiki.debian.org that dpkg mentioned |
| 17:21.02 | maligor | I've used putty to forward X, it's a option in some of the menus |
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| 17:21.07 | maligor | dunno about the two others |
| 17:21.19 | enouf | !putty |
| 17:21.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/, or see <putty linedraw> |
| 17:21.29 | MaleXachi | Okay, look |
| 17:21.30 | dacs | maligor: will you helpme with putty then |
| 17:22.13 | enouf | wtf does xxxx-free mean? i know what dfsg means .. but isn't that a double-positive? :-) |
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| 17:22.33 | enouf | !oxymoronsmite me |
| 17:22.50 | dacs | damn fucking supper good?! |
| 17:22.54 | enouf | !entendreslap someone |
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| 17:24.08 | maligor | dacs, just browse the menus, I don't remember :P |
| 17:24.16 | maligor | it has a checkbox for it somewhere |
| 17:24.31 | maligor | where you configure the connection |
| 17:24.36 | enouf | clickity click clickey ;-) |
| 17:25.09 | dacs | ok now i am installing xbase-clients |
| 17:25.18 | dacs | enouf: will you help me please |
| 17:25.24 | dacs | porfavor |
| 17:25.29 | dacs | :D |
| 17:26.04 | enouf | many have been and will continue should you attempt after reading and post exacting info - /msg dpkg ask |
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| 17:27.32 | dacs | enouf: i have it setup but i don't know how to pull it using putty |
| 17:28.00 | dacs | echo $DISPLAY doesn't show anything |
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| 17:28.33 | maligor | dacs, google: putty x11 forwarding |
| 17:28.49 | maligor | or other options, mhm |
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| 17:30.09 | rio | hum, building a cross toolchain for arm-linux-gnu, i can't install libc6-arm-cross because it depends on libgcc1-arm-cross, but don't i need libc6 to build that? |
| 17:30.53 | enouf | dacs: is there now a new group called putty you need to add your username to? if so, do so, logout/login that username for it to take affect |
| 17:30.56 | DragoraN | when i have many servers with same credentials, should i use ldap or what? (or nss-mysql, etc..) |
| 17:31.19 | enouf | dacs: man pages, and /usr/share/doc/* |
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| 17:31.45 | Sweetandy | What is the default X frontend for xmms? gxmms2 is not what I'm looking for. |
| 17:31.57 | enouf | xmms2? |
| 17:32.15 | Sweetandy | I only get a command line interface for that |
| 17:32.21 | Sweetandy | which is fine, I suppose... |
| 17:32.40 | enouf | no, i mean, are you asking about xmms, or xmms2? |
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| 17:32.56 | plb_ | there is no default frontend for xmms2 afaik |
| 17:33.01 | enouf | !xmms |
| 17:33.01 | dpkg | methinks xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html) For alternatives, look at <xmms2>, <rhythmbox>, <amarok>, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
| 17:33.03 | plb_ | X frontend rather |
| 17:33.15 | Sweetandy | yes, xmms2 |
| 17:33.30 | plb_ | you have to pick which frontend you want last I checked |
| 17:33.41 | plb_ | though I must confess I stopped using it a while back |
| 17:33.48 | Sweetandy | okay |
| 17:33.49 | enouf | apt-cache search xmms2 themes? |
| 17:34.06 | jan247 | how can i mask my ip address to unaffiliated? |
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| 17:34.17 | plb_ | anyone here using lenny on amd64? |
| 17:34.18 | Sweetandy | oooh good idea |
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| 17:34.38 | r0b | jan247: go to #freenode and staff will help you with that |
| 17:34.38 | stew | plb_: lots of people |
| 17:34.40 | dutchfish | !tell plb_ about ask |
| 17:34.43 | plb_ | heh |
| 17:34.55 | plb_ | anyone experience x not being able to be killed? |
| 17:35.07 | plb_ | I try to exit openbox and it just hangs |
| 17:35.19 | dutchfish | plb_, even with crtl-alt-backspace ? |
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| 17:35.24 | plb_ | yep |
| 17:35.30 | stew | plb_: checked the bts? |
| 17:35.34 | dutchfish | plb_, had that too |
| 17:35.38 | plb_ | bts? |
| 17:35.58 | dutchfish | plb_, its a bug related MTRR in curent kernel |
| 17:36.00 | stew | plb_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:36.01 | plb_ | ah |
| 17:36.04 | jan247 | tnx |
| 17:36.12 | dutchfish | plb_, thats is latest lenny amd64 |
| 17:36.36 | plb_ | ah bug tracking system..should have known ;] |
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| 17:36.43 | dutchfish | plb_, along with certian video cards (not all) mostly ATI |
| 17:36.47 | ghoulsblade | hi, friend wants to dual-boot win after installing debian with grub, but (hd0,0) ... (hd0,3) don't work, might be non-primary partition (sda5 ?), anyone knows the command for that ? |
| 17:36.48 | plb_ | figures |
| 17:36.50 | plb_ | I have ati |
| 17:36.51 | plb_ | heh |
| 17:37.02 | ghoulsblade | (grub command that is) |
| 17:37.18 | dacs | enouf: there is no putty group |
| 17:37.22 | dacs | i use sshd |
| 17:37.22 | dutchfish | plb_, for some ATI cards removing xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd might help |
| 17:37.29 | plb_ | ok |
| 17:37.42 | plb_ | I'm building a customer kernel with 2.6.27 now so maybe that will also fix it |
| 17:38.16 | plb_ | I was actually using fglrx driver |
| 17:38.24 | dutchfish | plb_, only if you compile in ATRR extra options and the newer replacements, but its a hassle |
| 17:38.35 | enouf | dacs: ack |
| 17:38.51 | dutchfish | plb_, what ATI card you use? |
| 17:39.07 | plb_ | it's x1200 I believe..toshiba laptop a215 |
| 17:39.17 | dacs | enouf: what is that mean please |
| 17:39.31 | dutchfish | plb_, you might be lucky, try without the radeonhd your card doesnt need that |
| 17:39.37 | plb_ | ok |
| 17:39.50 | enouf | dacs: just meant that i acknowledged your response |
| 17:40.20 | datacrusher | maybe fgxlx would help |
| 17:40.24 | dacs | ok thanks |
| 17:40.30 | dutchfish | plb_, also have a look at http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
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| 17:40.49 | plb_ | thanks |
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| 17:40.55 | plb_ | I'll try as soon as kernel is done |
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| 17:41.12 | synesp | i have a question about web server, ftp, and file permissions - this is what i want to do and i'm a bit confused how i can accomplish this. please be nice :) right now i have each virtual host in it's own directory under /var/www what i would like to do is have the owners of each virtual host (outside clients) able to ftp in and upload their files while having two admin users frank and mark able to modify files inside the virtual hosts. how do i |
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| 17:41.45 | enouf | is never "nice" :-P |
| 17:41.53 | synesp | muhaha |
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| 17:42.27 | dutchfish | plb_, look also at cat /proc/mtrr if it matches your cards memory, if not, you are effected by thi sbug |
| 17:42.33 | enouf | synesp: also repost info after "how do i ..." it got truncated |
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| 17:42.44 | dutchfish | plb_, or bad bios |
| 17:42.56 | plb_ | reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1 |
| 17:42.56 | plb_ | reg01: base=0xf0000000 (3840MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=1 |
| 17:43.16 | enouf | dutchfish: aha! .. good ol' /proc/mtrr and BIOS bugginess :-) |
| 17:43.16 | synesp | so i'm basically just asking for the best practice to setup permissions in a structure where i'm hosting mulitple clients |
| 17:43.18 | dacs | enouf: Error: Can't open display: |
| 17:43.21 | synesp | (allowing ftp) |
| 17:43.26 | plb_ | well opensuse and ubuntu worked fine |
| 17:43.27 | dutchfish | enouf, yep |
| 17:43.39 | plb_ | so I suspect it's the mtrr |
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| 17:43.49 | dutchfish | plb_, yes, its lennys curent kenrel |
| 17:43.54 | dutchfish | s/kenrel/kernel |
| 17:43.58 | synesp | would each virtual host get it's own user ? |
| 17:44.04 | enouf | synesp: i guess for your clients you can set up vsftpd? |
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| 17:44.14 | plb_ | hm hopefully they get that sorted soon |
| 17:44.19 | plb_ | it's kind of annoying |
| 17:44.32 | dutchfish | plb_, took me days to figure that one out |
| 17:44.35 | synesp | i'm just confused, who would i chown say /var/www/somewebsite.com to and chmod it to? |
| 17:44.42 | plb_ | did you end up fixing it? |
| 17:44.43 | enouf | dacs: are you using Etch or lenny? or .. |
| 17:44.48 | dutchfish | plb_, yes |
| 17:44.52 | plb_ | new kernel? |
| 17:44.57 | dutchfish | plb_, at least with 2.6.27 latest |
| 17:45.05 | dacs | enouf: etch |
| 17:45.12 | plb_ | hopefully I have the same luck :) |
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| 17:46.06 | enouf | synesp: i don;t think you do - you add usernames to the correct group for access .. but if you want to setup very minimal access for users, then you might need some sort of chroot jail .. but isn't that the purpose of the VM? :-) |
| 17:46.27 | plb_ | btw I followed that ccache howto on debian administration and make menuconfig wouldn't work |
| 17:46.47 | dutchfish | plb_, why not? |
| 17:47.10 | plb_ | I forget the error it said and I can't bring it up now cause kernel is compiling |
| 17:47.16 | synesp | enouf: ok say we have bob who i want ftp access to /var/www/bobssite.com which group would he belong to ? |
| 17:47.22 | dutchfish | plb_, np, i dont run away |
| 17:47.27 | plb_ | heh |
| 17:47.30 | plb_ | alright |
| 17:47.31 | synesp | www-data ? wouldn't he then be able to read /var/www/someoneelesessite.com ? |
| 17:47.40 | synesp | through a php script or something he could put together |
| 17:47.54 | DragoraN | synesp: use acl |
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| 17:48.30 | dutchfish | plb_, i also did CONFIG_X86_PAT in new kernel |
| 17:48.46 | dutchfish | plb_, its working now, X doesnt freeze no more |
| 17:48.50 | plb_ | ah..I didn't enable that option |
| 17:49.01 | dutchfish | plb_, and /proc/mtrr is now right |
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| 17:49.10 | plb_ | well after this finishes and hopefully it works I'll enable that |
| 17:49.22 | dutchfish | plb_, you can also manually set /proc/mtrr to test it out |
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| 17:49.31 | debclair | hi hi hi hi everyone |
| 17:49.33 | dutchfish | plb_, saves you the recompiling |
| 17:49.39 | debclair | anyone got a hp mini note? |
| 17:49.51 | plb_ | ah..good to know |
| 17:50.01 | plb_ | this is taking forever ;] but I think it's almost done |
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| 17:50.19 | plb_ | btw were you experiencing any audio stutter? |
| 17:50.31 | dutchfish | plb_, no, i use alsa |
| 17:50.35 | plb_ | me too |
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| 17:50.51 | plb_ | It wasn't constant but occasional while watching a movie |
| 17:50.54 | dutchfish | plb_, maybe there are oss leftovers? |
| 17:51.00 | plb_ | hm |
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| 17:51.15 | dutchfish | plb_, there can only be one ;) |
| 17:51.17 | plb_ | I did some googling on it yesterday and came across something about the default scheduler |
| 17:51.20 | plb_ | ya |
| 17:51.29 | enouf | synesp: can you launch a separate vm for each user? if not, /msg dpkg vsftpd (read the docs) i' |
| 17:51.33 | dutchfish | plb_, i use cfq |
| 17:51.37 | tziku | hello , i have a computer with debian with internet , and i want to give from this debian-compter to anothers computers. I make a DHCP server (is working fine) and now i'm stuck. Can somebody help me ? Please |
| 17:51.45 | enouf | synesp: i'm not certain how to proceed |
| 17:51.53 | dutchfish | plb_, but that should not make so much dif on our problem |
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| 17:52.16 | plb_ | something about fair use scheduler I believe was the name |
| 17:53.03 | dutchfish | !cfq |
| 17:53.16 | plb_ | dpkg doesn't like cfq it seems |
| 17:53.16 | dpkg | plb_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:53.23 | plb_ | nope |
| 17:53.24 | plb_ | ;] |
| 17:53.55 | dutchfish | plb_, if you take the oldconfig from standard and use the options i mentioned you should be fine |
| 17:54.09 | plb_ | that's what I di |
| 17:54.10 | plb_ | d |
| 17:54.23 | plb_ | well minus the pat and atrr...yet |
| 17:54.24 | plb_ | ;] |
| 17:54.29 | synesp | i'll see what i can do - thanks for your input |
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| 17:54.40 | dutchfish | plb_, those are the ones only needed for this issue |
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| 17:55.43 | plb_ | Today is the first time in years I've done my own kernel |
| 17:56.17 | plb_ | finally done |
| 17:56.18 | plb_ | alright brb |
| 17:56.56 | dutchfish | plb_ in 2.6.27 use also CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y |
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| 17:57.32 | dacs | enouf: any suggestions please |
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| 18:00.08 | dacs | what should i set my DISPLAY var to?! |
| 18:00.51 | enouf | export DISPLAY=:0.0 ? or would it be :1.0 .. not sure |
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| 18:00.59 | stoned | enouf, ping |
| 18:01.42 | enouf | stoned: ok - in -chat? |
| 18:01.46 | jelly | dacs: if you want to see the preexisting X session, "x11 forwarding" is not for you, strangely enough. |
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| 18:02.01 | stoned | enouf, yessir |
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| 18:02.42 | enouf | jelly: quick synopsis - dacs is on windows machine at work, trying to use putty to display his debian desktop which is at his house |
| 18:02.58 | gmarseli1 | hey guys, the start-stop-daemon, what package is it in? i need the source |
| 18:03.41 | dacs | jelly what you suggest |
| 18:03.49 | jelly | dacs: instead, do ssh -CL 5900:localhost:5900 homemachine, run something like x11vnc -display :0 -localhost & on the machine at home, and use a vnc client on the work machine with vnc display ":0" |
| 18:04.39 | dacs | jelly can you explain |
| 18:04.46 | dacs | * please |
| 18:04.52 | jelly | dacs: I thought I did? |
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| 18:05.33 | dacs | jelly i can't use vnc here at work |
| 18:05.39 | jelly | dacs: why? |
| 18:05.45 | enouf | !tell gmarseli1 -about apt-file |
| 18:05.53 | dacs | jelly IT! |
| 18:06.09 | gmarseli1 | enouf: cheers, mate |
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| 18:06.10 | jelly | dacs: if you cannot use an vnc _client_, I have no idea how to do it |
| 18:06.15 | enouf | gmarseli1: er .. it's in dpkg: |
| 18:06.33 | gmarseli1 | enouf: i wouldn't suspect even if you were pocking me with a hotpocking iron |
| 18:06.35 | gmarseli1 | hehe |
| 18:06.41 | gmarseli1 | been searching for half an hour |
| 18:06.41 | enouf | gmarseli1: if you're missing that - you better rethink your installation strategies :-P |
| 18:06.45 | plb_ | dutchfish: I have a similar problem with this kernel as I did in ubuntu freezing at starting bluetooth..luckily I know the fix..hopefully it works on debian |
| 18:07.02 | dacs | jelly and why you said i can't use x11 fwd |
| 18:07.12 | gmarseli1 | enouf: oh, i'm not missing it. i need to patch the source, to let it kill children of master processes. |
| 18:07.23 | dutchfish | plb_, cant help you on that, i dont use bluetooth |
| 18:07.48 | gmarseli1 | cheers! |
| 18:07.48 | jelly | dacs: there's probably a way to do it with nx, but if they don't allow vnc, I suspect they won't allow nx either |
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| 18:08.10 | jelly | dacs: because that doesn't help you in connecting to a running X session |
| 18:08.15 | enouf | ahh .. gmarseli1 ,, you did say the source .. so - do you have a deb-src line in your sources.list? |
| 18:08.24 | dutchfish | plb_ in 2.6.27 use also CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y |
| 18:08.27 | enouf | !tell gmarseli1 about deb-src |
| 18:09.17 | jelly | dacs: with X11 forwarding, you can only start new programs on the remote machine and make them display on your current desktop |
| 18:09.39 | jelly | dacs: provided you have a working X server for Windows running |
| 18:09.39 | stoned | enouf, I need a tester goddamit |
| 18:09.45 | stoned | hurry up :) |
| 18:10.09 | plb_ | brb lets see if this works |
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| 18:12.00 | scribeskul | to anyone who helped me earlier today: Thanks so much! Lenny is pretty slick after a fresh re-install when compared to Etch! So far I'm VERY pleased!! |
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| 18:12.09 | plb_ | dutchfish: it solved the problem same as ubuntu ;] |
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| 18:12.18 | plb_ | now onto the kernel...again ;] |
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| 18:12.35 | dutchfish | plb_, good good |
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| 18:12.57 | plb_ | dutchfish: now where are these options I need to add? |
| 18:13.05 | BCM43 | can someone help me stream sound over a network using esd? |
| 18:14.18 | sysdef | how can i change a user password by shell script? all my tries (passwd --stdin|chpasswd) failed :/ |
| 18:14.22 | plb_ | x86 PAT support is one |
| 18:14.27 | plb_ | M or builtin? |
| 18:14.36 | plb_ | nm |
| 18:14.38 | plb_ | builtin only |
| 18:14.57 | dutchfish | plb_, CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y CONFIG_MTRR=y CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT=1 CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER_SPARE_REG_NR_DEFAULT=1, thats basically it |
| 18:15.18 | dutchfish | plb_, along with X86_PAT=y |
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| 18:15.54 | plb_ | I can just edit the .config right? no need to go into make menuconfig? |
| 18:16.02 | dutchfish | plb_, both ways |
| 18:16.04 | dacs | jelly i am setting up my mythtv . so when i do mythbackend it pulls it in the desktop ..thats all what i want to do for now |
| 18:16.11 | scribeskul | Is it normal, usinf ext3, to have a few gigs missing from the usable sectors of both my hard drives? (example: my 80 gig is parititoned to be 78 gigs / and 2 gigs /swap, yet it shows up as 72.64 total size, instead of 78...this is just normal miscalculation i am presuming?) |
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| 18:16.46 | enouf | dacs: why didn't you mention mythtv nonsense from the start? |
| 18:17.14 | dacs | enouf: huh |
| 18:17.56 | enouf | BCM43: check into gstreamer and mpd maybe? |
| 18:17.59 | plb_ | dutchfish: do I have to run make-kpkg clean? |
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| 18:18.03 | dutchfish | plb_, after that your cat /proc/mtrr should read fine (if your bios is not to broken) |
| 18:18.15 | dutchfish | plb_, yes, i am afraid so |
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| 18:18.23 | plb_ | damn lol |
| 18:18.24 | Sweetandy | Note to self: always check the repos *before* downloading source and installing 200MB of dev files for compilation. |
| 18:18.42 | dutchfish | plb_, thats why i use ccache ;) |
| 18:19.04 | plb_ | heh |
| 18:19.05 | jelly | dacs: so ask IT to allow using a vnc client (client only). |
| 18:19.14 | enouf | scribeskul: it's the way df displays usage - 5% is reserved root sectors by default on ext2/3 |
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| 18:19.26 | enouf | scribeskul: tune2fs -l /dev/name1 |
| 18:19.39 | BCM43 | enouf: i am trying to stream audio from a cd to multiple computer on a network. Would that help me do that and would you have any idea how to set it up if it does? |
| 18:20.08 | enouf | !tell BCM43 about mpd |
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| 18:20.25 | enouf | BCM43: look into possible icecast and shoutcast too |
| 18:20.31 | plb_ | dutchfish: are you using the fgrlx in lenny? |
| 18:20.33 | BCM43 | ok |
| 18:20.35 | jelly | scribeskul: where does what show up as "72.64 total size"? which app? |
| 18:20.48 | BCM43 | enouf: have any ideas about how i would go about setting it up? |
| 18:21.01 | dutchfish | plb_, no |
| 18:21.06 | enouf | BCM43: linux-sound.org for more about all that - and no, i can't handhold you through it |
| 18:21.09 | plb_ | dutchfish: MTRR cleanup enable value (0-1) (MTRR_SANITIZER_ENABLE_DEFAULT) [0] (NEW) |
| 18:21.13 | plb_ | it's asking me that |
| 18:21.24 | dutchfish | plb_, let me check again |
| 18:21.27 | BCM43 | ok |
| 18:21.27 | BCM43 | thanks |
| 18:21.30 | plb_ | ok |
| 18:21.35 | BCM43 | btw, it needs to be cli only |
| 18:21.47 | dutchfish | plb_, 1 |
| 18:21.55 | plb_ | dutchfish: ok thanks |
| 18:21.56 | scribeskul | jelly: It's actually under the partition editor although when doing a simple properties check on my filesystem i can view the remaining size as well...I'm guessing it's that 5% thing enouf mentioned, which I'm going to check right now |
| 18:22.07 | jelly | scribeskul: it's likely a combination of a) HD vendor using 1GB = 10^9 B and your app using GiB (1024^3 B) and b) reserved sector count |
| 18:22.42 | dutchfish | plb_, also check that you have the latest bios for your board |
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| 18:23.06 | scribeskul | Reserved block count: 952152 |
| 18:23.16 | scribeskul | thats from tune2fs, in the summary of my /dev/hda1 |
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| 18:23.39 | scribeskul | so ok, as long as it's a normal thing, its no loss |
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| 18:23.48 | scribeskul | a few gigs won't kill me haha |
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| 18:24.16 | jelly | scribeskul: so, from a), your HDD might have, say, 80,000,040,960 bytes = 74.5 GiB |
| 18:24.26 | plb_ | dutchfish: ok |
| 18:24.47 | dutchfish | plb_, fglrx will carsh badly if /proc/mtrr isnt right |
| 18:24.52 | enouf | scribeskul: it's defaulting that way , so when the disk somehow gets filled without the admin/users knowing it, then root can still get in and remove some cruft - it's so root user can still access the disk |
| 18:24.57 | dutchfish | s/carsh/crash |
| 18:25.36 | plb_ | alright |
| 18:25.46 | enouf | scribeskul: but note what jelly is also telling you about base10 (HDD Manu) vs base2 (Computer/binary) |
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| 18:26.09 | jelly | scribeskul: the reserved space is also supposed the be evenly distributed over the disk and help in reducing fragmentation |
| 18:26.12 | enouf | scribeskul: see Gigabyte (GB) vs Gibabyte (GiB) ;-) |
| 18:26.48 | scribeskul | jelly: yeah, it's nothing out of the ordinary...I have to say, the Lenny install was sweet and smooth as butter. I knew about the base10 vs base2 etc thing from the winblows days as well, I guess I never rrealized until I went from etch to lenny about the reserved root aspect...pretty smart stuff! |
| 18:27.07 | enouf | scribeskul: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 18:27.09 | jelly | nothing new, mind |
| 18:27.34 | enouf | scribeskul: btw - lshal will display partition sizes in bytes as will parted |
| 18:28.16 | scribeskul | enouf: nice, that's handy. (puts command in his mental reservoir) haha |
| 18:28.20 | jelly | as will blockdev --getsize64 /dev/devname |
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| 18:33.15 | enouf | ~$ lshal | grep 'volume.size' (though, you need to match to /dev/name :-P) but using less is handy .. or parted /dev/name ; hit U (units), then B(bytes), the P(print)? or similar - but blockdev --getsize64 /dev/hdd* is handy, and needs root, as does parted - lshal doesn't |
| 18:33.16 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, enouf |
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| 18:33.24 | enouf | heh |
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| 18:36.53 | belleke | hello i want to install debian on an old laptop but de cd drive is broken and the usb port doesn't seem to work. can anyone help me?current os is ubuntu |
| 18:37.06 | stew | belleke: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 18:37.42 | belleke | is this a tool? |
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| 18:37.59 | jpinx | belleke: easy enough if you check the how to install pages on the debian.org website |
| 18:38.24 | belleke | ok i'll |
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| 18:38.28 | belleke | check |
| 18:39.52 | rio | is there a script for pulling dependencies and converting them with dpkg-cross? |
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| 18:40.59 | Moofius | How to get windows media audio professional support in debian? |
| 18:41.24 | gordboy | write to bill gates |
| 18:41.40 | plb_ | heh |
| 18:41.42 | dacs | jelly i can't download vnc client it is blocked |
| 18:41.55 | plb_ | Moofius: wine or virtualbox is your best bet |
| 18:42.01 | gordboy | Moofius: try vlc or mplayer & dodgy codec pack |
| 18:43.31 | Moofius | gordboy: where can I find the dodgy codec? |
| 18:44.04 | gordboy | Moofius: well the mplayer site has some |
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| 18:44.50 | gordboy | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html |
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| 18:46.00 | Moofius | the package is from 2007, but will test it |
| 18:46.56 | plb_ | hm ati doesn't seem to list x1200 graphics drivers for linux |
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| 18:47.41 | eptalon | heyas |
| 18:47.54 | eptalon | is 2.6.27 packaged yet for sid? |
| 18:48.00 | maligor | plb_, 690? |
| 18:48.09 | plb_ | maligor: huh? |
| 18:48.17 | plb_ | radeon x1200 |
| 18:48.21 | dacs | jelly i finally downloaded vnc viewer... what now? |
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| 18:48.33 | maligor | isn't that the integrated chip |
| 18:48.41 | maligor | it's on RS690 |
| 18:48.55 | plb_ | it's on this laptop toshiba satellite a215 |
| 18:48.56 | eptalon | maligor: RS690? |
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| 18:49.18 | maligor | it's a motherboard chipset |
| 18:50.45 | maligor | plb_, the driver lists atleast some RS690 id's |
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| 18:51.29 | plb_ | hm |
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| 18:52.30 | abrotman | eptalon: packages.debian.org .. check yourself |
| 18:52.54 | maligor | plb_, the fglrx driver lists Xpress1200 tho |
| 18:52.57 | maligor | plb_, the release notes that is |
| 18:53.08 | plb_ | the one in lenny? |
| 18:53.15 | dutchfish | plb_, maligor http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/plain/README |
| 18:53.26 | maligor | plb_, the one in ati website |
| 18:53.35 | maligor | probably the one in lenny also |
| 18:53.49 | plb_ | maligor: got a link cause I don't see it |
| 18:53.54 | maligor | 8.12 is probably one of the better driver versions tho |
| 18:54.41 | maligor | dutchfish, yeah, there's that too |
| 18:54.42 | enouf | plb_: why can't i yet ascertain whether or not you want fglrx (ati driver) or the Xorg free ones (radeon/radeonhd) |
| 18:54.47 | nsadmin | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:54.47 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 18:54.53 | maligor | but you need a really new version of radeonhd and mesa for that stuff |
| 18:55.08 | plb_ | enouf: xorg ones don't seem to play nicely with my screen |
| 18:55.16 | plb_ | ah |
| 18:55.18 | plb_ | I see it now |
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| 18:55.32 | maligor | plb_, if you use the ati drivers, you'll have to modify the package builder a bit tho |
| 18:56.01 | maligor | unless you want to constantly battle with apt wanting to install a older version ;) |
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| 18:56.19 | plb_ | hm I think I saw a howto for this |
| 18:56.48 | plb_ | http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 18:56.53 | gordboy | enouf: i bought a new radeon x1650 pro. in the absence of any sane, working drivers for it, i switched my trusty 9200se back in. fglrx is a mess. and radeon/radeonhd isn't ready for rv5** chipset |
| 18:56.53 | plb_ | not sure if that will work |
| 18:57.21 | enouf | plb_: well .. there is a #radeon channel should you want some support for that .. or do /msg dpkg fglrx (note, i know of an edac issue and agpgart with the 9xxx series cards, dunno if it affects your x1xxx series - but do lscpi -nn | grep VGA) |
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| 18:57.32 | dutchfish | gordboy, you could not be more right |
| 18:57.33 | enouf | gordboy: indeed |
| 18:57.34 | maligor | actually it's #ati for the fglrx |
| 18:58.01 | enouf | sure, but i said #radeon, referring to the Xorg drivers |
| 18:58.02 | maligor | gordboy, mm, fglrx works ok for me |
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| 18:58.12 | plb_ | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791f] |
| 18:58.27 | enouf | heh - see the 690 now? :-P |
| 18:58.32 | plb_ | yeah ;] |
| 18:58.39 | enouf | M == Mobility :-p |
| 18:58.43 | gordboy | maligor: which card/chipset do you have ? |
| 18:58.44 | enouf | i gather |
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| 18:59.38 | gustavold | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.53 | enouf | gustavold: same usual place - /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:59.59 | gordboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.05 | gordboy | haha |
| 19:00.09 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:00.17 | gustavold | thank you guys :) |
| 19:00.29 | dacs | enouf: now i got vnc view how can i set it up please |
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| 19:01.13 | dacs | apt-get install tightvncserver |
| 19:01.30 | eptalon | dacs: what do you want to do? |
| 19:01.30 | enouf | dacs: i'm the rong person to ask - ask the channel |
| 19:01.38 | enouf | s/wrong* |
| 19:02.11 | Sweetandy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.20 | enouf | i'm not certain tightvncserver is what you want? don't you want vnc4server? or xvncviewer or someshit? |
| 19:02.34 | dacs | vnc to my debian box from windows work pc |
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| 19:03.12 | eptalon | dacs: I gave up on vnc, and installed an X on my windows box. |
| 19:03.18 | dutchfish | plb_, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature (one wich i eagerly visit daily) |
| 19:03.37 | dacs | eptalon: please help me , how to setup |
| 19:03.53 | rio | hi, how to build arm-linux-gnu-pkg-config for crosscompiling with pkg-config? |
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| 19:04.01 | gordboy | vista sales are laughable, and both ati & nvidia recently released broken linux drivers for their cards. of course, it's just a coincidence ... |
| 19:04.06 | mifritscher- | hi |
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| 19:04.35 | plb_ | dutchfish: you are using the drivers from ati site? |
| 19:04.51 | mifritscher- | can I mix up the use of apt-get and aptitude now (read: does they use the same files to get whether a packages is only automatically installed)? |
| 19:05.10 | dutchfish | plb_, i refuse that, unless decent open source drivers comes available i no longer buy ATI cards |
| 19:05.20 | eptalon | dacs: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ (XMing), and http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ (Putty) |
| 19:05.22 | plb_ | ah |
| 19:05.22 | mifritscher- | aptitude got very slow :-( |
| 19:05.25 | dutchfish | plb_, i think thats the best i can do |
| 19:05.28 | enouf | mifritscher-: Auto vs Manually installed and Hold are the two key possible issues |
| 19:05.35 | eptalon | dacs: on your windows box. |
| 19:05.56 | dacs | eptalon: i have putty in my windows box, but i don;t knwo how to pull debian |
| 19:06.06 | enouf | mifritscher-: apt on Lenny works similarly to aptitude when it comes to removing depends |
| 19:06.14 | eptalon | dacs: you can then create a graphical (X11) connection, tunnelled over ssh to your debian box. |
| 19:06.22 | dutchfish | plb_, but i am in the same boat as you for several machines, have alot of HD 2400 XT, at least they work, bu tnot more then basics |
| 19:06.33 | dacs | eptalon: how please |
| 19:06.38 | eptalon | dacs: alternatively, use VirtualBox, and run debian in windows |
| 19:06.55 | dacs | eptalon: virtualbox is not an option |
| 19:07.01 | mifritscher- | enouf, so apt and aptitude detect automatically installed packages each other? good |
| 19:07.09 | eptalon | dacs: very basically: you execute an xterm.. |
| 19:07.10 | mifritscher- | so I can backswitch to apt |
| 19:07.17 | mifritscher- | (I don't have hold packages |
| 19:07.18 | enouf | mifritscher-: using which release? |
| 19:07.23 | plb_ | dutchfish: without fglrx debian thinks my screen is much larger than it is...my windows maximize way off screen |
| 19:07.32 | plb_ | though I admit I haven't really tinkered with it much |
| 19:07.40 | mifritscher- | enouf: lenny(arm) |
| 19:07.42 | dutchfish | plb_, i have no such problems .... scrugh |
| 19:07.47 | enouf | mifritscher-: they use different databases, IINM |
| 19:07.50 | plb_ | lucky you ;] |
| 19:08.20 | dutchfish | plb_, but i dont use fglrx |
| 19:08.24 | mifritscher- | enouf, can I import the database from aptitude to apt? |
| 19:08.55 | enouf | mifritscher-: no.. why? |
| 19:08.58 | plb_ | btw, dpkg-reconfigure xorg no longer provides all the options it once did? |
| 19:09.04 | eptalon | dacs: and if inside that xterm you execute an x1 app it will work. |
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| 19:09.16 | mifritscher- | enouf, because aptitude is very slow on a strongarm with 32 mb ram^^ |
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| 19:09.30 | mifritscher- | does need 40 mb virtual ram |
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| 19:09.44 | dacs | eptalon: i am lost |
| 19:09.59 | lfaraone | In which release did Debian adopt APT? |
| 19:10.25 | dutchfish | plb_, if the radeonhd will catch up, i will catch up too, we just have to wait for that i am afraid |
| 19:10.34 | enouf | mifritscher-: hrm .. well, i don't use aptitude, so not sure, but i'd think you could just start using apt-get, run update and they should sync up .. or similar |
| 19:10.40 | eptalon | dacs: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ take the installer, install onto your windows box. Then use it to execute an xterm on your linux box. |
| 19:10.42 | plb_ | dutchfish: hopefully it's not to far off |
| 19:10.55 | enouf | lfaraone: the one when the founder made it :-P |
| 19:10.57 | stew | lfaraone: 2.1: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.en.html |
| 19:11.00 | dutchfish | plb_, i hope so too, but it will not be soon |
| 19:11.11 | mifritscher- | enouf, ok, thanks ;) |
| 19:11.16 | dacs | eptalon: can i use putty |
| 19:11.25 | lfaraone | stew: ok, so that'd be pre-sarge. |
| 19:11.38 | lfaraone | is trying to copyedit the [[Debian]] article on wikipedia |
| 19:11.41 | eptalon | dacs: you can tunnel the connection over ssh (with putty) |
| 19:11.54 | enouf | mifritscher-: going over the Lenny apt changelog might be beneficial for info as well |
| 19:12.01 | dacs | eptalon: then it a matter how? |
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| 19:12.17 | dutchfish | plb_, i must admit, with most latest INTEL cards, wich all worked out of the box with DRI i am satified |
| 19:12.34 | eptalon | dacs: a few clicks to install xming, and like 3 klicks to set it up. |
| 19:13.04 | plb_ | dutchfish: I never owned an ati but I got a good deal on this laptop so here I am ;] |
| 19:13.12 | dacs | eptalon: yeah this is work pc and i don't want to get caught :) |
| 19:13.13 | enouf | plb_: man xorg.conf, familiarize yourself with Lenny's autoconfig of Xorg, and see xrandr info ;-) |
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| 19:13.45 | dutchfish | plb_, or live without hardware accelaration till radeonhd is ready |
| 19:13.59 | eptalon | dacs: putty itself (the program) cannot route graphics. |
| 19:14.12 | plb_ | I don't really care about hardware accel |
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| 19:14.21 | gordboy | a proper galaxy hitchhiker knows where his towel is at all times, and a proper X user in linux keeps his xorg.conf safe too ... |
| 19:14.23 | enouf | plb_: should you mess with the fglrx, see aticonfig --help or something |
| 19:14.34 | dacs | eptalon: it hase x forwarding No |
| 19:14.39 | stew | bah, who needs an xorg.conf anymore? |
| 19:15.02 | eptalon | dacs: yes; but you use plink.exe, not putty.exe to connect. |
| 19:15.03 | enouf | gordboy: quite safe .. atleast for reference ;-) |
| 19:15.06 | plb_ | if I could get screen res working properly without fglrx I won't bother |
| 19:15.22 | enouf | xrandr can help, no? |
| 19:15.32 | dutchfish | plb_, if you install plain lenny your card should work out of the box (without DRI so) |
| 19:15.46 | plb_ | it works out of the box it's just my screen res is way off |
| 19:15.54 | plb_ | well |
| 19:15.55 | enouf | plb_: in X or console? |
| 19:15.59 | plb_ | X |
| 19:16.05 | enouf | how way off? |
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| 19:16.24 | enouf | you might need to setup Virtual X Y values in your Display subsection? |
| 19:16.27 | plb_ | well when I open an app or maxmize it will open off screen |
| 19:16.29 | sputnick | hi there |
| 19:16.32 | enouf | see wiki,x,org |
| 19:16.32 | plb_ | is what I mean |
| 19:16.37 | dutchfish | enouf, plb_ bingo |
| 19:16.41 | grindhold | hello, i just recognized, that another root bash was running on my server while watching htop doing it's job. i wondered, googeled some tings and some forums said that there is maybe running a rootkit on my server. they suggestet running "find /dev/ -type f" it found /dev/shm/network/ifstate. is this file (or whatever it is) dangerous or am i worrying without any reason? |
| 19:16.46 | enouf | see er wiki.x.org |
| 19:17.00 | eptalon | dacs: in other words: the app that odes the forwarding does not provide a terminal; hence you need to execute (eg. xterm) one on your linux box. |
| 19:17.21 | phiscribe | the edge of my screen is cut off, what tool can i adjust it with |
| 19:17.25 | enouf | plb_: with Intels, i think some need a DisplaySize set in the Monitor section - not sure about nvidia/ati |
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| 19:17.37 | plb_ | http://pastebin.com/m2a291d36 thats xrandr output |
| 19:17.55 | phiscribe | its just a few pixels off |
| 19:18.08 | enouf | phiscribe: use the auto adjust feature of your monitor? |
| 19:18.15 | sputnick | is debian need more servers to share stuff ? because I'm sysadmin & I have a dedicated server if that can help... |
| 19:18.24 | dacs | eptalon: i did xterm and nothing happen |
| 19:18.29 | enouf | phiscribe: center the display? use the monitor's OSD/OSM ? |
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| 19:18.51 | phiscribe | no ive adjusted the monitor, the icons i place to the right on the desktop go over the edge |
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| 19:19.28 | enouf | dude .. there's so many possibilities - from your DE config to Xorg config to your Driver and version and .... |
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| 19:19.58 | eptalon | dacs: do oyu have xterm installed on your linux box? |
| 19:20.07 | dutchfish | phiscribe, tried sorting icons vertically aligned? |
| 19:20.20 | dacs | eptalon: yes |
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| 19:20.53 | enouf | plb_: so , you have 2 screens? one laptop and one VGA out? |
| 19:21.11 | plb_ | no |
| 19:21.23 | plb_ | just a laptop |
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| 19:21.49 | dutchfish | plb_, does it have a vga connector for external screen/monitor? |
| 19:21.49 | enouf | plb_: well .. there's info there from an external monitor |
| 19:21.58 | phiscribe | eh i turned off keep aligned, that helped |
| 19:22.05 | plb_ | yeah it has a vga out |
| 19:22.11 | enouf | plb_: try setting DisplaySize - note LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm <-- use the correct mm x mm |
| 19:22.19 | plb_ | I unplugged it earlier though |
| 19:22.20 | plb_ | hm |
| 19:22.41 | enouf | plb_: also .. make sure you have a line each for Vert and Hor refresh rates |
| 19:23.14 | enouf | xrandr has all sorts of values for setting up screens .. sheesh - go read man :-P |
| 19:23.24 | phiscribe | everything is in good shape excep the tv tuner, im impressed with deb, it runs well even with gnome on this ancient box, better than some miny distros |
| 19:23.26 | plb_ | ok |
| 19:23.31 | enouf | in Etch, such is not the case... but you're on Lenny |
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| 19:23.47 | enouf | (well, not as much so anyway) |
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| 19:24.00 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 19:24.00 | dpkg | debianlove is, like, the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 19:24.21 | enouf | ok kids, behave now .. see yas ;-) |
| 19:24.22 | grindhold | hello -> i need some help -> 20:16 |
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| 19:25.05 | plb_ | this kernel compiling is holding me back from trying all this x stuff heh |
| 19:25.13 | dutchfish | grindhold, what is your question? |
| 19:25.14 | plb_ | still waiting on it |
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| 19:26.55 | grindhold | i just recognized, that another root bash was running on my server while watching htop doing it's job. i wondered, googeled some tings and some forums said that there is maybe running a rootkit on my server. they suggestet running "find /dev/ -type f" it found /dev/shm/network/ifstate. is this file (or whatever it is) dangerous or am i worrying without any reason?, dutchfish |
| 19:27.07 | eptalon | If I have a virtualbox image of a partly installed debian system, is it possible to "change" that so it does not change the address of the network card eah time its mac addy changes? |
| 19:27.07 | EgYPaRaDoX | i have a live usb for backtrack..i want to put it on dvd ..but i dont guarantee it wud work..i dont want to redownload the live cd |
| 19:27.10 | EgYPaRaDoX | i dont know how to make it bootable.. |
| 19:28.29 | eptalon | EgYPaRaDoX: try with a dvd-rw? |
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| 19:28.58 | eptalon | EgYPaRaDoX: If its less than 700m, you could try cd-r(w) |
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| 19:30.26 | EgYPaRaDoX | no.. |
| 19:30.26 | dutchfish | grindhold, i dont know on thta info. But, you can run with chkrootkit or rookithunter |
| 19:30.30 | EgYPaRaDoX | its more than 700 |
| 19:30.34 | EgYPaRaDoX | whts dvd-rw? |
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| 19:31.45 | eptalon | EgYPaRaDoX: A dvd that can be written and erased. |
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| 19:32.06 | EgYPaRaDoX | ohh yeah.. |
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| 19:32.10 | EgYPaRaDoX | i no dvd rewritable.. |
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| 19:32.15 | EgYPaRaDoX | i though it was an applicaton.. |
| 19:32.18 | EgYPaRaDoX | its a normal dvd.. |
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| 19:33.46 | dutchfish | grindhold, also look at this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist%40lists.debian.org/msg401585.html |
| 19:33.50 | peteweez | I need to change a single .config option in my kernel (CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET). It's an option used by the fat filesystem module. So I only need to recompile my modules, not the whole kernel. Does make-kpkg have an option for this? I really don't feel like building a fresh kernel. |
| 19:33.57 | eptalon | EgYPaRaDoX: "DVD" is the small silvery disc; they come in two versions, write-one (called "dvd-r") and write many times (called dvd-rw) |
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| 19:34.43 | EgYPaRaDoX | i know |
| 19:34.55 | EgYPaRaDoX | i just want it to be bootable.. |
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| 19:36.09 | grindhold | okay, that means, that this file is secure, dutchfish; or is there anything else to care about |
| 19:36.23 | eptalon | EgYPaRaDoX: thats a parameter you give when burning; therefore my suggestion, try with an rw disc. |
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| 19:37.31 | plb_ | brb |
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| 19:37.36 | EgYPaRaDoX | i still dont get your point.. |
| 19:38.01 | EgYPaRaDoX | i just want it to be bootable.. |
| 19:38.08 | EgYPaRaDoX | it doesnt matter if its rw or not.. |
| 19:38.36 | jelly-home | eptalon: write-one (dvd-r) and write+one (dvd+r) |
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| 19:39.28 | eptalon | jelly-home: I was referrring to write-once as opposed to write-many; of course they both exist in plus and minus |
| 19:39.34 | dutchfish | grindhold, is /etc/network/run a symlink on your system? |
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| 19:41.38 | dutchfish | grindhold, what output gives: ls -la /etc/network | grep run |
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| 19:41.41 | plb_ | dutchfish: hey I can exit X now! ;] |
| 19:41.49 | dutchfish | plb_, :) |
| 19:42.10 | dutchfish | plb_, what does cat /proc/mtrr tells you now? |
| 19:42.28 | plb_ | reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1 |
| 19:42.28 | plb_ | reg01: base=0xf0000000 (3840MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=2 |
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| 19:42.49 | dutchfish | plb_, doesnt look good either is it? |
| 19:43.07 | plb_ | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
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| 19:43.13 | dutchfish | plb_, does it match our video memory? |
| 19:43.33 | plb_ | reg01 is my video card? |
| 19:43.40 | plb_ | I think it's 128 |
| 19:43.59 | dutchfish | plb_, then so, yes |
| 19:44.22 | grindhold | dutchfish: it gives: "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2008-12-11 14:55 run -> /dev/shm/network |
| 19:44.24 | plb_ | dutchfish: hm after unplugging vga monitor and halting the the system my resolution seems to work with debian defaults now |
| 19:44.41 | dutchfish | grindhold, is this debian etch? |
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| 19:45.16 | grindhold | err debian 4.0 |
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| 19:45.23 | grindhold | dunno if its etch, dutchfish |
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| 19:45.47 | dutchfish | grindhold, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:46.23 | grindhold | 4.0 (i already wrote it 2 lines before ;) ) |
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| 19:47.21 | dutchfish | grindhold, ok, you might aptitude reinstall ifupifdown (its not rootkit, but might be a debian bug) |
| 19:47.45 | plb_ | dutchfish: btw thanks for the help |
| 19:47.47 | jelly-home | dutchfish: skip the second if |
| 19:47.56 | grindhold | okay, dutchfish |
| 19:48.12 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes you are right my typo |
| 19:48.33 | dutchfish | grindhold, ok, you might aptitude reinstall ifupdown (its not rootkit, but might be a debian bug) |
| 19:48.36 | plb_ | brb |
| 19:48.43 | dutchfish | plb_yw |
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| 19:50.05 | error4o41 | I chrooted bind to /var/lib/named what i dont understand, in the zone file, if I specify a relative path for the file (file "domains/somedomain.tld"), to what path is it actually relative to? |
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| 19:50.44 | dutchfish | grindhold, This problem can have been caused by the user setting the size of /dev/shm/ to zero |
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| 19:52.22 | grindhold | dutchfish: can i output that value with cat /dev/shm ? |
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| 19:52.55 | dutchfish | grindhold, no, it should be a directory |
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| 19:53.52 | dutchfish | grindhold, just reinstalling ifupdown should be enough, i dont know if a reboot is necessary so ... |
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| 19:54.27 | grindhold | dutchfish: i already did reinstall :) |
| 19:54.33 | dutchfish | grindhold, ok |
| 19:54.47 | grindhold | and if its only a bug i propably won't restart immediately |
| 19:55.07 | dutchfish | grindhold, right |
| 19:55.54 | Hideme | I had to restore my /bin dir the other day. Now when I reboot only eth0 comes up, both eth1 and eth2 requires me to manually start it with the init.d/networking. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:58.20 | dutchfish | grindhold, and run rkhunter or chkrootkit regularly with fresh installs ;) |
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| 20:02.08 | ghaleb | hello, how can I change the 'sleep' button script, when I press my sleep button I want to lock the screen instead of standby |
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| 20:05.59 | grindhold | dutchfish, thank you. you helped me a lot on my way to get rid of my debain- newbieness ;P |
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| 20:06.12 | dutchfish | grindhold, np, yw |
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| 20:10.49 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:11.03 | eptalon | I am lookinug for a vserver kernel image for 2.6.27.. |
| 20:12.02 | eptalon | for sid. |
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| 20:13.26 | dutchfish | eptalon, take a look at this http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/?C=N |
| 20:13.30 | cahoot | eptalon: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
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| 20:14.22 | cahoot | eptalon: err disregard |
| 20:14.41 | dacs | how to install openoffice |
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| 20:15.19 | eptalon | dacs: apt-get install openoffice.org? |
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| 20:18.27 | eptalon | cahoot: what do I need to add to sources list to get build-server in there? - Are those images sufficiently stable? |
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| 20:18.36 | chemist_ | I am trying to compile synergy and I get this when I run ./configure |
| 20:18.40 | chemist_ | http://pastebin.ca/1283844 |
| 20:18.51 | chemist_ | lines 119 and 120 |
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| 20:21.09 | craigevil | synergy is in sid and probably in backports |
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| 20:21.39 | themill | judd versions synergy |
| 20:21.40 | judd | themill: synergy -- etch: 1.3.1-2 lenny: 1.3.1-5 sid: 1.3.1-5 |
| 20:21.49 | chemist_ | i'm running etch, i wanted to compile it |
| 20:21.58 | themill | synergy is essentially dead upstream, there's no need to backport |
| 20:22.12 | plb_ | dutchfish: I cannot get ati drivers to install for nothing in 2.6.27 |
| 20:22.20 | plb_ | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 20:22.26 | plb_ | is what I'm following |
| 20:22.36 | chemist_ | silly me |
| 20:22.56 | chemist_ | didnt realize i could just apt-get it |
| 20:23.21 | dutchfish | plb_, as i told you i don tknow about fglrx, i dont use that |
| 20:23.24 | themill | chemist_: always worth checking first. The debian archive is huge... it's not like using RHEL or something where there is almost nothing in the archive |
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| 20:23.33 | chemist_ | :) |
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| 20:23.38 | plb_ | dutchfish: I can live without it but my external vga doesn't seem to work now |
| 20:23.47 | plb_ | with the default I'm provided with |
| 20:24.15 | dutchfish | plb_, have you tried to set it up with randr ? |
| 20:24.32 | plb_ | nope |
| 20:24.36 | plb_ | never tried it |
| 20:24.42 | plb_ | it always just worked after install fglrx |
| 20:25.20 | plb_ | not even sure which driver I'm using atm |
| 20:25.33 | abrotman | synergy is in etch |
| 20:25.56 | rio | any hints on using pkg-config in a cross compile environment? it mixed the targets libs and the hostlibs :( |
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| 20:27.12 | PeterFA | This Debian Etch system doesn't have an init script for iptables and iptables is already installed. What's the package name that privides the init script? |
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| 20:27.14 | dutchfish | plb_, too find out you could take a peak what /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells you |
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| 20:30.05 | plb_ | looks to be radeon |
| 20:30.16 | plb_ | brb |
| 20:30.27 | dutchfish | plb_, or if you like gtk grandr |
| 20:30.30 | trumpen | PeterFA, you can use iptables-save & iptables-restore or modify /etc/init.d/skeleton to do what you need |
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| 20:32.01 | plb_ | interesting now it's working yet my screen is off again lol |
| 20:32.10 | plb_ | way off to the side |
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| 20:33.16 | rio | hm, symlinking pkg-config to arm-linux-gnu-pkg-config does not make pkg-config forget all the .pc's in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/.. what to do? :( |
| 20:33.20 | dutchfish | plb_, use your logs |
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| 20:33.26 | PeterFA | trumpen, hmm, thanks. |
| 20:34.36 | plb_ | seems my vga out monitor is at 1680x1050 while laptop is at the correct 1280x800 |
| 20:35.01 | dutchfish | plb_, yes, you have to set that up correclty |
| 20:35.27 | martian67 | vs |
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| 20:37.34 | dutchfish | plb_, need to go now, gl |
| 20:37.37 | Bigshot_ | why is here many more users compared to slackware, suse channel on freenode? |
| 20:37.50 | plb_ | np, thanks for all the help |
| 20:38.10 | dacs | what is the package for freeNX |
| 20:38.30 | Bigshot_ | huh? |
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| 20:43.53 | abrotman | dacs: not in debian |
| 20:44.10 | dacs | errr |
| 20:44.12 | dacs | :( |
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| 20:45.45 | nullboy | Bigshot_: wtf? |
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| 20:46.13 | stew | dacs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=255850 |
| 20:46.32 | nullboy | wouldn't you just guess that the reason there are people in one channel than any other given channel is because the software or project has a larger user base than the other? |
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| 20:50.35 | jgon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=244-u9XzbkI - improvising |
| 20:50.55 | Mxldr | Yo |
| 20:51.18 | Mxldr | !permasunday |
| 20:51.18 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 20:51.56 | tech13 | how do I dump or export the debconfig options for a package? |
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| 20:52.39 | pobega | Is there an easy way to make a bunch of uppercase files in a directory lowercase? |
| 20:52.54 | jberg- | i've mounted an old ide disk but now i can't umount it because it says device is busy? how can i fix it? |
| 20:52.58 | xingu | pobega: mmv? |
| 20:53.06 | pobega | xingu: "easy way" |
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| 20:55.41 | xingu | pobega: mmv "*" "#l1" |
| 20:56.33 | mifritscher- | hmm |
| 20:56.49 | mifritscher- | why does the fpu.emu fastFPE crash the init early during booting?! |
| 20:56.50 | pobega | xingu: Oh, I thought you misspelled move. Yeah, that works, thanks a lot. Is that in the man page? |
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| 20:57.10 | xingu | pobega: if you squint a bit, yes. |
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| 21:06.43 | Bigshot_ | what kde version does debian 4.0 have? |
| 21:07.45 | stew | judd: depends kde --release etch |
| 21:07.46 | judd | stew: kde -- Depends: kde-core (>= 5:47), kde-amusements (>= 5:47), kdeaccessibility (>= 4:3.4.3), kdeaddons (>= 4:3.4.3), kdeadmin (>= 4:3.4.3), kdeartwork (>= 4:3.4.3), kdegraphics (>= 4:3.4.3), kdemultimedia (>= 4:3.4.3), kdenetwork (>= 4:3.4.3), kdepim (>= 4:3.4.3), kdeutils (>= 4:3.4.3), kdewebdev (>= 4:3.4.3) |
| 21:07.50 | stew | Bigshot_: looks like 3.4 |
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| 21:08.37 | Bigshot_ | why so old? |
| 21:08.39 | Guerin | cue howls of OMG OUT OF DAET |
| 21:08.44 | Guerin | oh, heh |
| 21:08.51 | stew | Bigshot_: etch was frozen over 2 years ago |
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| 21:09.12 | Bigshot_ | why does it still have so many users? don't people want the latest ? |
| 21:09.29 | zinx | !latest |
| 21:09.29 | dpkg | somebody said latest was not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 21:09.30 | StucKman | Bigshot_: want the latest? get sid |
| 21:09.40 | abrotman | StucKman: don't do that |
| 21:09.43 | stew | no, he doesn't want sid |
| 21:09.43 | zinx | hmmm wrong factoid, oh well |
| 21:09.54 | Guerin | Bigshot_: etch is stable - it's not designed to ever change. It's for people who want a stationary target. |
| 21:09.57 | StucKman | abrotman: no? |
| 21:10.03 | Guerin | so very few people will be running kde on it |
| 21:10.03 | abrotman | StucKman: don't tell people to do that |
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| 21:10.18 | Guerin | (in their right minds) |
| 21:10.24 | StucKman | abrotman: why not? I really wnat to know |
| 21:10.31 | zinx | StucKman: sid is for breaking things.. most poeple don't want a distro that breaks |
| 21:10.36 | Guerin | by the way, is it true that kde is actually faster since 4.0, rather than slower? |
| 21:10.41 | StucKman | zinx: right |
| 21:10.51 | zinx | StucKman: and they usually come here when it does. so don't recommend they use sid, please :P |
| 21:10.54 | StucKman | want almost the latest? run testing :| |
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| 21:11.07 | StucKman | (j/k) |
| 21:11.19 | StucKman | zinx: normally I just explain a little more later |
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| 21:11.42 | stew | lenny and sid have the same version of kde anyway |
| 21:11.50 | l3oddah | hi, i am looking for some assistance using cvs in debain etch |
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| 21:12.04 | stew | l3oddah: be more specific |
| 21:12.15 | craigevil | zinx: sid hasnt had any big breaks since xorg 7.3, although after lenny is released it will probably be a roller coaster ride |
| 21:12.36 | StucKman | yeah, roller coaster! |
| 21:12.42 | l3oddah | stew: i am running bugzilla 2.22.1 out of stable repository, but we need to upgrade to bugzilla 3.2, i have checked this out of CVS, but am not sure on how to apply the update to my current installation |
| 21:13.27 | stew | l3oddah: aptitude remove bugzilla to get rid of the debian package, then follow bugzilla's instructions which i'd expect to be included with the source |
| 21:13.53 | l3oddah | stew: so its a complete reinstall then |
| 21:13.59 | l3oddah | stew: k, thanks |
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| 21:14.11 | abrotman | StucKman: unless you're going to be the 24/7 for the people you're telling to run sid .. do not do it in this channel |
| 21:14.29 | stew | l3oddah: oh, wait, there is a bugzilla3 package i didn't realize that |
| 21:14.42 | stew | oops |
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| 21:15.47 | zinx | craigevil: i'm not saying it's always broken, or that people try to break stuff. that's what experimental's for. sid is just where stuff sometimes gets broken :P |
| 21:15.59 | StucKman | abrotman: aye aye, sir |
| 21:16.27 | abrotman | erm .. the 24/7 support |
| 21:16.33 | StucKman | abrotman: got it |
| 21:16.56 | maligor | zinx, like logon that got broken once |
| 21:17.10 | maligor | erhm.. or was it init |
| 21:17.24 | maligor | highly annoying anyway |
| 21:17.30 | zinx | :D |
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| 21:17.34 | zinx | yay sid :) |
| 21:18.32 | jberg- | installing amarok with gnome is not such a good idea is it? i've got 2 broken packages after i installed it |
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| 21:18.48 | Guerin | jberg-: shouldn't be a problem in the general case. |
| 21:19.02 | Guerin | gnome and kde are by no means mutually exclusive |
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| 21:19.25 | \amethyst | jberg-: what are the broken packages? |
| 21:19.26 | jberg- | maybe it's because im using lenny then |
| 21:20.03 | jberg- | \amethyst, uhm, im not sure how to tell. it just says 2 broken packages |
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| 21:20.11 | \amethyst | jberg-: aptitude search ~B |
| 21:20.21 | maligor | zinx, it's actually surprisingly rare :P |
| 21:20.39 | \amethyst | err |
| 21:20.40 | jberg- | http://rafb.net/p/MyPAet90.html |
| 21:20.47 | maligor | serious breakages in sid .. only seen it once |
| 21:20.59 | ghaleb | hello, how can I change the 'sleep' button script, when I press my sleep button I want to lock the screen instead of standby |
| 21:20.59 | maligor | the sort that stop the system from booting that is |
| 21:20.59 | zinx | maligor: i've seen it a few times over the years |
| 21:20.59 | \amethyst | jberg-: err, sorry ~b not ~B |
| 21:21.15 | zinx | maligor: i'm pretty sure there was one that broke package management :P |
| 21:21.22 | jberg- | B A libarts1c2a - aRts sound system core components |
| 21:21.22 | jberg- | B A libavahi-qt3-1 - Avahi Qt 3 integration library |
| 21:21.29 | \amethyst | jberg-: try aptitude install libqt3-mt |
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| 21:21.37 | maligor | zinx: heh, it's possible I've skipped over a few, or just don't remember fixing |
| 21:21.48 | maligor | I haven't automated updates |
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| 21:21.52 | \amethyst | jberg-: it sounds like the multithreaded qt library didn't get installed for some reason |
| 21:22.30 | jberg- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.48 | Guerin | `serious breakage' is not the same as `stops the system froom booting' |
| 21:22.57 | loquitus_of_borg | Anybody know what is wrong with this command? I am trying to diff two directories, and then take the 2nd and 4th columns as input to copy the different files from the 4th column to the 2nd. Does not work: diff -qr . /opt/src | awk "{ print "cp "; print \$4; print \$2 }" |
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| 21:23.04 | jberg- | now it removes a whole bunch of packages for libqt3-mt |
| 21:23.14 | Guerin | that's what we call `fundamental breakage', while `serious' is `some important package doesn't install, or conflicts with something else, or won't function properly |
| 21:23.26 | Guerin | jberg-: check BTS |
| 21:23.26 | \amethyst | jberg-: which ones? |
| 21:23.48 | zinx | thought serious was any policy violation... |
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| 21:24.01 | jberg- | \amethyst http://rafb.net/p/x8jKGG45.html |
| 21:24.09 | Guerin | zinx: well, it's a bug category but that's different from breakage. |
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| 21:24.15 | kantor | hi |
| 21:24.18 | jberg- | and still two broken packages |
| 21:24.20 | kantor | I'm a programmer, could somebody tell me a good IDE to use ? |
| 21:24.24 | Guerin | kantor: emacs |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | for which language? |
| 21:24.43 | Guerin | abrotman: if you use emacs, it doesn't matter :) |
| 21:24.47 | kantor | C, and I'm using gnome |
| 21:24.48 | \amethyst | jberg-: and this is a lenny system, not mixed etch/lenny? |
| 21:24.53 | simonrvn | emacs |
| 21:25.08 | abrotman | kantor: if you want a GUI one, anjuta would suffice |
| 21:25.16 | kantor | ok thanks |
| 21:25.18 | jberg- | \amethyst, yep, just lenny |
| 21:25.22 | simonrvn | emacs |
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| 21:25.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: emacs! |
| 21:25.50 | simonrvn | !! |
| 21:25.50 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:26.17 | simonrvn | dpkg: no, you're my zsh prompt |
| 21:26.17 | dpkg | wish i knew, simonrvn |
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| 21:27.11 | simonrvn | dpkg: no, you don't |
| 21:27.11 | dpkg | simonrvn: are you using Windows? |
| 21:27.21 | simonrvn | nevar! |
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| 21:43.50 | malgar | can you help me to get working a webcam? http://rafb.net/p/Cn5zjw83.html |
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| 22:14.47 | jberg | after i tried to install amarok a bunch of things broke, so now i just want to use rythmbox and install the missing packages for that. however i get error on every pkg with dpkg like this: http://rafb.net/p/N2M5aE43.html |
| 22:15.22 | jberg | so it looks like im out of space, but i have lvm so i did lvextend -L+2G /dev/server/usr |
| 22:15.32 | jberg | but i still get the same errors |
| 22:15.40 | jberg | does anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 22:19.16 | jberg | ah, i have to increase the filesystem as well, not just the lv |
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| 22:23.09 | flami | Hi, after I upgraded perl, rkhunter is sendng me mails , that /usr/bin/perl has been changed . How can i make it save the new file properties ? |
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| 22:44.57 | amine | hey |
| 22:45.00 | Lifeform | Hi... |
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| 22:45.08 | Lifeform | Anyone mind testing the transfer rate on this testfile? ==> http://72.3.253.20/100mb.bin |
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| 22:45.21 | Lifeform | Just check the average speed on that one and state your location. |
| 22:45.23 | amine | how can I see how my much my hard disk is being accessed (so current transfer speed/s) ? |
| 22:45.55 | amine | Lifeform, 6MB/s |
| 22:45.58 | abrotman | iostat perhaps |
| 22:46.29 | simonrvn | how much and transfer speed, isn't that two different sets of factors? |
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| 22:47.48 | amine | let me look into iostat, thanks |
| 22:48.27 | simNIX | amine, I use on the desktop gkrellm ot keep an eye on read/writes hd |
| 22:48.31 | abrotman | i don't think it is really what you're looking for .. |
| 22:48.34 | abrotman | maybe bonnie |
| 22:48.39 | amine | simNIX, it is for a server |
| 22:48.54 | abrotman | !info bonnie etch |
| 22:48.56 | simNIX | then pls diregard my responce |
| 22:49.20 | abrotman | !info bonnie++ etch |
| 22:49.22 | dpkg | bonnie++: (Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.03a+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 22:58.06 | tarzeau | i'm baking cookies |
| 22:58.18 | amine | Lifeform, 11.25MB/s |
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| 23:00.14 | standalf | how can I uninstall ATI driver binaries that I've installed? It has destroied graphic environment here :/ |
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| 23:00.23 | doudou | Hi my sound card is not working, i did not pay anything but i get my money back? |
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| 23:02.30 | standalf | nobody knows? |
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| 23:03.27 | standalf | omg, I've met X people that told me windows sucks, but if I try linux, everything's rubbish, nothing works.. and the "great community" hasn't help me yet |
| 23:03.33 | deanrantala | how did you install the binary drivers? (apt or via ati's package) |
| 23:03.56 | standalf | I downloaded .x86.run file |
| 23:04.22 | deanrantala | standalf: it is friday, "the great community is mostly out" 1) because it is near the soliday, 2) cause it is friday :P |
| 23:04.50 | standalf | I was asking for the same a few days ago too... |
| 23:04.57 | deanrantala | you probably need to check a readme that ati includes for removal.. lemme check |
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| 23:06.23 | standalf | I have in xorg.conf vesa now, so it works... but with this binaries.... omg it's awful :((( I tried to install fglrx after this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17776 but graphic mode didn't work anyway |
| 23:07.03 | doudou | 02:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx Series] |
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| 23:07.10 | Guerin | amine: choose the `radeon' driver |
| 23:07.15 | Guerin | standalf: ^ |
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| 23:07.36 | doudou | aplay: device_list:222: no soundcards found... |
| 23:07.56 | standalf | huh? |
| 23:08.23 | Guerin | standalf: see my misguided advice to amine |
| 23:08.29 | deanrantala | opens the 77 meg .run file to see what the installer says to do |
| 23:08.48 | doudou | Linux debianUs 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Oct 13 07:27:05 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:09.23 | codingrobot | I have a folder structure in a pure gzip file, gzip -l shows only 1 file. is there anyway to extract the content ? I have no idea how the person managed to archive this first of all... |
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| 23:09.35 | doudou | modconf says nothing about radeon driver |
| 23:09.39 | standalf | I have installed this: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html :/ |
| 23:10.00 | doudou | alsaconf does not find any soundcard |
| 23:10.21 | abrotman | codingrobot: gunzip ? |
| 23:10.21 | standalf | !dpkg fglrx |
| 23:10.21 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 23:10.40 | standalf | !dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 23:10.40 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <contrib> and <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, or if you get permission denied modprobing fglrx: modprobe -r radeon drm |
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| 23:11.03 | codingrobot | abrotman: doesn't seem to help alot. it extracts it as a single file |
| 23:11.24 | codingrobot | strings shows the content of the files properly |
| 23:11.43 | doudou | wiki could please anybody saying it is a proprietary driver, i could have wait a long time |
| 23:12.23 | doudou | wiki could help saying what cards are compatible with strict religious practice : no more proprietary |
| 23:12.40 | simNIX | codingrobot, gzip extraxts a tar maybe ? |
| 23:12.43 | simonrvn | "wiki"? |
| 23:12.58 | simNIX | extracted to |
| 23:13.07 | codingrobot | simNIX: thats the problem.. its not .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 |
| 23:13.19 | simNIX | what does file say it is ? |
| 23:13.48 | codingrobot | archive.gzip is the archive, 'archive' is the extracted one |
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| 23:14.03 | simNIX | and when extrated w gzip ? |
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| 23:14.19 | codingrobot | i think I have to deal with a compressed 'data stream' w/o any structure |
| 23:14.34 | peteweez | Can anybody tell me how to use make-kpkg to compile -only- the kernel modules and not the actual kernel image? |
| 23:14.35 | doudou | google? i search and found no explicit answer until i asked here to amine |
| 23:14.36 | deanrantala | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html |
| 23:14.36 | simNIX | tar xvf thatfileoutofgzip doesnt work ? |
| 23:14.47 | deanrantala | standalf: follow that link |
| 23:14.55 | deanrantala | removal instructions |
| 23:15.00 | deanrantala | ;-) |
| 23:15.16 | zinx | codingrobot: we can't be much help if you don't tell us what ''file'' says the file is.. like this: file archive |
| 23:15.19 | deanrantala | btw, installing radeon drivers via apt ARE a one liner |
| 23:15.22 | codingrobot | gzip compressed data |
| 23:15.44 | doudou | i dont trust debian code, so proprietary code ... where can i find list of honnest motherboard? |
| 23:15.47 | zinx | codingrobot: that is on the one you uncompressed with gunzip? |
| 23:15.48 | deanrantala | ..well, plus running the ati control panel to configure. |
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| 23:16.32 | deanrantala | trusts the entire US army national guards enlistment database to "debian" |
| 23:16.48 | deanrantala | has worked good for the past few years |
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| 23:18.09 | nullboy | is there some all encompassing book about debian package management? |
| 23:18.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | hey, I heard there was a way to name configurations in ifup, eg ifup home or ifup work; What is this called? I can't find it on the net anywhere |
| 23:18.27 | abrotman | codingrobot: run 'file' on it |
| 23:18.42 | abrotman | nullboy: book? don't think so .. but there are several manuals |
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| 23:18.59 | AYI | hey |
| 23:19.11 | Guerin | Blast_Hardcheese: man interfaces, look at mapping |
| 23:19.13 | AYI | is xserver-xgl necessary for compiz |
| 23:19.19 | codingrobot | abrotman: Macintosh Application (data): PLVNCv<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> but thats not helpful |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 23:19.26 | deanrantala | tgif.. beer time. cya all later |
| 23:19.30 | abrotman | BEER! |
| 23:19.31 | codingrobot | because at the begining of the stream there is an xml file |
| 23:19.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | Guerin: Awesome, thanks |
| 23:19.49 | codingrobot | its 1 gb archive |
| 23:20.32 | peteweez | Anyone here know if make-kpkg has an option to compile only the modules and not the image? |
| 23:20.44 | Guerin | peteweez: of course it does. |
| 23:20.53 | codingrobot | this seems to be a compressed data w/o any structure inside |
| 23:21.06 | peteweez | Guerin: I did rtfm but I couldn't find the option. |
| 23:21.10 | Guerin | codingrobot: open it on a macintrash and see |
| 23:21.18 | codingrobot | same... |
| 23:21.21 | Guerin | peteweez: it's quite obviously-named |
| 23:21.32 | peteweez | It's ironic because I helped Doctor-Steve use make-kpkg last night...lol. |
| 23:21.34 | codingrobot | the utilities are identical |
| 23:21.45 | peteweez | Guerin: make-kpkg modules-image? |
| 23:22.00 | codingrobot | in the archive should be a folder with files inside, afaik. |
| 23:22.31 | codingrobot | i think i'm out of luck with this archive :) |
| 23:22.40 | peteweez | Guerin: I thought modules_image only made third-party modules |
| 23:22.55 | peteweez | I need to alter my .config and recompile the fat fs driver |
| 23:23.12 | Guerin | that seems unlikely to me |
| 23:23.18 | nullboy | abrotman: i'm just spinning with all the command options, apt-* aptitude, synaptic, update manager; where's a debian noob supposed to start? |
| 23:23.32 | peteweez | Guerin: You're saying it compiles them all? |
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| 23:24.11 | peteweez | Guerin: And then I can dpkg -i the resulting .deb and get new modules but not replace the kernel? And I won't have to recompile my third-party modules? |
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| 23:24.55 | nullboy | abrotman: mostly all of the different options of each command, I'm reading up before installing debian but coming from such a simplistic distribution like slackware, i do like how debian works but the package management is daunting for me |
| 23:25.16 | nullboy | i currently just have testing in a vm |
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| 23:26.19 | nullboy | i guess the biggest thing is figuring out what package management tools apply to which problems |
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| 23:27.22 | Request | Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links & Request ebooks Here : http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ |
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| 23:28.56 | amphi | !spamsmite Request |
| 23:28.57 | dpkg | assaults Request with spam, spam, spam, spam, violence, spam, and an ambolt, or spam, spam, brass knuckles or spam. |
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| 23:29.06 | nullboy | amphi: bahahaha |
| 23:29.07 | nullboy | awesome |
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| 23:33.10 | unkmar_ | I need to know what happens with an apt-get update. |
| 23:33.24 | unkmar_ | it downloaded 8Meg of files, I need to know where they go to. |
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| 23:33.54 | amphi | unkmar_: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 23:34.06 | unkmar_ | that folder is empty. |
| 23:34.11 | amphi | apt-get clean will clear them out |
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| 23:34.30 | unkmar_ | I did not issue apt-get clean. Yet that folder is empty. |
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| 23:34.51 | unkmar_ | apt-get install puts things in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 23:36.10 | unkmar_ | here is my problem. I have an install cd that will not have internet available. |
| 23:36.27 | unkmar_ | I am currently required to run apt-get update to be able to complete my installs. |
| 23:36.37 | unkmar_ | I need to know what I am missing. |
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| 23:37.04 | themill | unkmar_: /msg dpkg apt-zip and/or look in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 23:37.49 | unkmar_ | I need to get the 2 bin files? |
| 23:38.30 | unkmar_ | themill: thank you. |
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| 23:45.49 | rgr | If I add an export to my .xsession then my desktop env sees the new path. If I add it to my .bashrc then my bash shells see it. BUT if I source the .bashrc into my .xsession then my desktop env does not see the new path. Anyone have any idea why this is? |
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| 23:47.24 | tewfik | hi all |
| 23:47.57 | tewfik | any link to decent recent howto/doc about NIS on debian ? thanks |
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| 23:50.07 | peteweez | OK I tried make_kpkg modules_image and it only compiled my third-party drivers] |
| 23:50.10 | peteweez | what gives? |
| 23:50.42 | mker | Does it matter if I install Debian Lenny before it's released? Will my system be exactly as if I had waited for it to become stable? |
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| 23:51.14 | peteweez | mker: Pretty much. |
| 23:51.45 | peteweez | mker: When it becomes stable, you just upgrade any packages that had new releases. |
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| 23:52.49 | mker | peteweez, and I won't be missing out on any features in the installer? |
| 23:53.19 | peteweez | mker: Not unless they release a new installer when it goes stable |
| 23:53.29 | peteweez | going stable isn't really adding anything new to the distribution |
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| 23:53.54 | peteweez | it's saying that it's relatively bug-free and tested and that no more significant development will occur on it. |
| 23:54.15 | mker | peteweez, well that's the question then, will they? :) |
| 23:54.20 | peteweez | It's a stamp of approval from quality control. |
| 23:54.27 | peteweez | I doubt it. |
| 23:54.43 | peteweez | Like I said, a stable release is not usually accompanied by new functionality. |
| 23:54.49 | themill | You don't use the installer anyway, once you've actually installed it. |
| 23:54.53 | peteweez | It's saying that the old functionality works OK. |
| 23:56.07 | peteweez | mker: Unless you are using a system in which stability is absolutely critical, I see no harm in upgrading to lenny at this time. |
| 23:57.02 | peteweez | Anybody know how I can use make-kpkg to recompile only the modules and not make a new kernel image? I need to recompile the fat filesystem driver. |
| 23:57.39 | peteweez | Previous advice didn't work |
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| 23:58.29 | themill | !kp-mantra |
| 23:58.29 | dpkg | kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 23:58.42 | themill | peteweez: ^^ just leave out "kernel_image" from the command. |
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| 23:59.31 | peteweez | themill: make-kpkg modules_image only makes the third party modules |
| 23:59.45 | peteweez | I need to build the modules configured in make menuconfig |
