| 00:00.49 | stoned | !ping |
| 00:00.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:00.51 | stoned | hm |
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| 00:02.04 | grendal_prime | i need a browser (firefox specifically) on a server that has no x server on it, to i need to install all of xorg to get that functionality? |
| 00:02.18 | petemc | I440r: grep -i hz /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 00:02.29 | petemc | grendal_prime: no |
| 00:02.38 | tCzern_tux | apt-get update ? no install? |
| 00:02.44 | grendal_prime | ok cool...what is the minimum i can tet away with? |
| 00:02.47 | I440r | petemc no that will tell me what frequency my suse is configured for. i was asking what frequency etch is configured for out of the box |
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| 00:02.56 | petemc | I440r: 250, i think |
| 00:04.02 | I440r | where would a good channel be to ask questions about timerfd's ? |
| 00:04.04 | petemc | grendal_prime: tried just installing it and see what it suggests? |
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| 00:05.22 | tCzern_tux | I still have the old libglib2 vs |
| 00:06.21 | Kurlon | I just managed to ddrescue 5 drives that are in various stages of failing. I've got the resulting images on a single large volume. Is there a way to launch the raid using the images in place of the actual drives? |
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| 00:08.54 | rideh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.58 | segosa | can i safely remove everything in /var/cache? (or is there a specific program that does so) |
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| 00:09.36 | petemc | segosa: no |
| 00:09.55 | rideh | issuing a locate i find /lib/modules/2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl4965.ko do i make a link to it from the directory it expects the ucode in? |
| 00:10.06 | tCzern_tux | what would I need to enter to inclulde the lenny repo? |
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| 00:10.33 | petemc | tCzern_tux: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 00:10.33 | tCzern_tux | http://packages.debian.org/ lenny main ? |
| 00:10.35 | segosa | petemc: oh :< |
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| 00:11.45 | tCzern_tux | so etch and lenny is the same thing |
| 00:11.59 | tCzern_tux | I cannot get a newer libglib2 version |
| 00:12.06 | petemc | no, etch is stable, lenny is testing, due to become stable |
| 00:12.19 | tCzern_tux | ok |
| 00:12.32 | petemc | why do you need that lib? |
| 00:12.58 | petemc | did you look for a backported package of whatever it is you need? |
| 00:12.58 | tCzern_tux | I want to install a theme with icons |
| 00:13.08 | tCzern_tux | that one needs it |
| 00:13.16 | cpbills | what hoops do i need to jump through to get adobe flash for amd64 lenny? do i need a chroot and such? |
| 00:13.26 | tCzern_tux | and I want to learn how all this works |
| 00:14.21 | tCzern_tux | looking at this here |
| 00:14.23 | tCzern_tux | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libglib2-ruby1.8 |
| 00:14.49 | tCzern_tux | and trying to figure out what I need to add as repository in the package manager |
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| 00:18.31 | sgh | can someone help me install cpufreqd? Id be very happy! Been having this problem since forever. Its driving me nuts. |
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| 00:19.39 | tCzern_tux | ok, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/good-debian-repositories-379597/ |
| 00:19.47 | tCzern_tux | I cannot find lenny |
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| 00:21.17 | grendal_prime | petemc: a bunch of shit. Im just installing the compete package...(xorg) that is..i dont have time to iron it out |
| 00:21.42 | tCzern_tux | when I "Mark All Upgrades" in package manager it anounces to remove almost any every application |
| 00:22.26 | tCzern_tux | where is everybody here? |
| 00:22.41 | dvs | shrugs |
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| 00:26.29 | tCzern_tux | I would like to install Sun's Nimbus Theme but cannot find it gnome.org |
| 00:27.53 | tCzern_tux | well then. Have a nice weekend |
| 00:28.03 | simonrvn | tCzern_tux: tried gnome-look.org ? |
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| 00:30.49 | spx2 | I don't have the "java" binary on my debian |
| 00:30.51 | spx2 | what do I do ? |
| 00:30.57 | dvs | install it? |
| 00:31.01 | simonrvn | install it |
| 00:31.02 | spx2 | I already install sun-java5-{jre,jdk,bin} |
| 00:31.14 | spx2 | *installed |
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| 00:31.25 | simonrvn | then you do, or need v 6 |
| 00:31.38 | dvs | or do you need to change your alternatives? |
| 00:31.41 | spx2 | why ? |
| 00:31.49 | spx2 | I just need to run some fucking java on my machine |
| 00:31.53 | spx2 | where is the java binary ? |
| 00:31.55 | spx2 | what package ? |
| 00:32.13 | simonrvn | `which java' |
| 00:32.13 | dvs | !info sun-java5-jre |
| 00:32.13 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-16-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7239 kB, Installed size: 15884 kB |
| 00:32.19 | sgh | sun-java5-jre |
| 00:32.40 | spx2 | installed |
| 00:32.41 | dondelelcaro | spx2: any of the java jre packages has a java binary |
| 00:32.43 | simonrvn | it's a command, hence the quotes .... |
| 00:32.56 | sgh | if youve installed something other than sun java, you need to set to use the sun-alternative |
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| 00:33.39 | coddy | hope this works |
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| 00:34.12 | dvs | update-alternatives --config java |
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| 00:34.47 | tCzern | how can I install this one: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libglib2.0-udeb |
| 00:35.04 | spx2 | oh crap I have gcj installed... |
| 00:35.07 | spx2 | goddamn shit |
| 00:35.12 | dvs | !beer me |
| 00:35.12 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for dvs |
| 00:35.47 | spx2 | throws beer to dvs |
| 00:35.53 | tCzern | heeellooooooo |
| 00:35.57 | dvs | gets smashed in the face with beer bottles |
| 00:36.00 | tCzern | I am asking something really basic here |
| 00:36.20 | tCzern | I am new to this, but you girls should know it |
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| 00:36.58 | simonrvn | tCzern_tux: tried gnome-look.org ? |
| 00:37.12 | tCzern | yes |
| 00:37.17 | tCzern | I found the themes |
| 00:37.27 | tCzern | but I need libglid2 2.16 |
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| 00:37.32 | tCzern | have only 2.14 |
| 00:37.38 | spx2 | :)) |
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| 00:37.44 | simonrvn | libglib2 |
| 00:37.50 | tCzern | yeah |
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| 00:39.10 | tCzern | I would love to find a listing of all repositories I can use for Debian |
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| 00:39.19 | simonrvn | you have choices, either rebuild the theme engine from source, so it doesn't need it, you're screwed unless you update libglib2 in some way, if it needs symbols found in 2.16. |
| 00:39.28 | tCzern | there is so much stuff out there that I cannot find it among all the info overload |
| 00:39.29 | dvs | tCzern: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 00:39.37 | simonrvn | but not found in 2.14 |
| 00:39.50 | tCzern | its here http://packages.debian.org/sid/libglib2.0-udeb |
| 00:40.07 | tCzern | htf can I get this into my package manager? |
| 00:40.34 | tCzern | would be nice to see the repository address here, unless it's there and I cannot see it as one |
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| 00:40.36 | dvs | tCzern: are you running sid? |
| 00:40.58 | simonrvn | that's a udeb, that's an installer package |
| 00:41.01 | tCzern | amd I running etch or lenny ? |
| 00:41.11 | tCzern | so I am not thinking I need to run sid |
| 00:41.18 | dvs | tCzern: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:41.49 | tCzern | lenny/sid |
| 00:41.51 | tCzern | woohohohoh |
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| 00:42.36 | tCzern | dvs, yo'll be my new best friend if you can tell me how to add this as repo into the package manager |
| 00:43.29 | dvs | tCzern: aptitude install doesn't do it? |
| 00:43.51 | tCzern | how would this work? |
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| 00:44.11 | dvs | tCzern: aptitude install libglib2.0 |
| 00:44.16 | Jimss | guys can you tell me how to raise the ulimit please? |
| 00:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show libglib2.0-0 is information overload? ... would only show the package with sid at least as a deb-src |
| 00:44.31 | dvs | tCzern: aptitude install libglib2.0-udeb |
| 00:44.33 | dvs | sorry |
| 00:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, no |
| 00:44.37 | tCzern | well I have this, but this version is too old |
| 00:44.40 | dvs | no? |
| 00:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't you look at the webpage? |
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| 00:44.58 | jelly-home | tCzern: why do you think you need an -udeb package? |
| 00:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian-installer udeb package: Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system. |
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| 00:45.20 | tCzern | I saw this |
| 00:45.20 | dvs | oops. missed that. |
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| 00:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is a package with the same version in sid - and that's probably what he wants, not this one |
| 00:45.32 | tCzern | but I don't know what this means |
| 00:45.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's called libglib2.0-0 |
| 00:45.45 | jelly-home | tCzern: "do not install" means just that |
| 00:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:45.52 | tCzern | well, |
| 00:45.54 | tCzern | hehe |
| 00:45.59 | tCzern | I don't know what normal is |
| 00:46.01 | tCzern | and what not |
| 00:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | so which part of "do not install this" was it you had problems with? :) |
| 00:46.17 | tCzern | the normal part |
| 00:46.28 | tCzern | do I have a normal Debian system? |
| 00:46.32 | tCzern | how can I tell? |
| 00:46.36 | tCzern | huh? |
| 00:46.41 | wurzelpitz | would you fuck a woman, which looks really great but didn't see any water for 2 weeks? |
| 00:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you had an abnormal system you would know :-P |
| 00:46.56 | jelly-home | tCzern: it's not an installer image = it's normal in that context |
| 00:47.05 | tCzern | lol, so far I think it is a bit abnormal |
| 00:47.10 | tCzern | but I am new to it, |
| 00:47.11 | tCzern | so |
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| 00:47.28 | eagle_ | hello |
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| 00:47.44 | tCzern | I think let's fuck the theme, ..., I'll get opensolaris now. It comes with this theme |
| 00:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like with the kernel sources "if you don't know what this means, this is not for you" |
| 00:47.53 | jelly-home | tCzern: you're asking us to tell you how to do something that will result in a broken system |
| 00:48.01 | tCzern | aoorghgh |
| 00:48.07 | tCzern | we don't want this |
| 00:48.14 | jelly-home | we? |
| 00:48.15 | eagle_ | hot to set a clock in debian |
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| 00:48.21 | tCzern | me, and minime |
| 00:48.36 | jelly-home | tCzern: have fun being ignored |
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| 00:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 00:48.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libglib2.0-0 -- etch: 2.12.4-2 lenny: 2.16.6-1 sid: 2.16.6-1 experimental: 2.18.2-1 |
| 00:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell tCzern about simple sid backport |
| 00:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is probably what you want |
| 00:49.33 | tCzern | yes, as repo address |
| 00:49.56 | tCzern | I cannot see the forest for the trees I guess |
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| 00:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at what dpkg told you |
| 00:50.19 | [_Lucas_] | Hello |
| 00:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | eagle_, well, thank you for sharing, then :) |
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| 00:51.25 | tCzern | jelly-home: why would you ignore me ;-) ? |
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| 00:52.06 | [_Lucas_] | Mplayer is getting slow (sorry my english) when I change it to full scree. I'm using lenny an nv in xorg.conf. Any idea ? |
| 00:52.10 | rideh | good mp3 player for gnome? |
| 00:52.35 | amphi | [_Lucas_]: what output driver are you using? |
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| 00:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | [_Lucas_], I guess using the nvidia module would also help mplayer (although mplayer should be ok with the nv one as well, I would think) |
| 00:54.04 | [_Lucas_] | amphi: gl x11(opengl) |
| 00:54.10 | tCzern | http://packages.debian.org/ distribution=source/ section=sid/ ? |
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| 00:54.29 | amphi | [_Lucas_]: try with -vo xv |
| 00:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | [_Lucas_], uh - but try -vo xv there, that's normally used |
| 00:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell [_Lucas_] about nvidia |
| 00:55.02 | amphi | [_Lucas_]: with nv, opengl is going to be sw rendered, teh sl0w |
| 00:55.08 | tCzern | [_Lucas_]: non so come dire tutto questo in Italiano ;-) |
| 00:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | [_Lucas_], for the proprietary driver look at what dpkg told you |
| 00:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't think there was a lot of Italian speakers in Brazil... but well |
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| 00:56.26 | shoreline | Can anyone suggest some linux utilities that would be useful in a PC repair shop envirornment? A lot of repetative tasks are done, such as backing up "My Documents" and things like that. |
| 00:56.48 | tCzern | I am not in Brazil |
| 00:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the guy you just talked to |
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| 00:57.16 | [_Lucas_] | I'm using the nv driver in the other debian box, with a worse video card and it just plays. |
| 00:57.30 | tCzern | hhm |
| 00:57.33 | tCzern | lol |
| 00:57.49 | [_Lucas_] | e |
| 00:57.54 | tCzern | keta has joined this channel (n=luca@host125-202-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 00:57.58 | tCzern | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.13 | tCzern | perhaps keta then |
| 00:58.29 | tCzern | sorry, did see that it went thru |
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| 00:58.37 | tCzern | ok, need to go now |
| 00:58.38 | tCzern | bye |
| 00:58.46 | [_Lucas_] | Well, i'll install tre proprietary driver and see what happens. Thank you guys. |
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| 01:00.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoreline, I think simple things like that you'd script yourself... I think there is some specialized live-cd's for running virus scanners... but as there is no debian live CD and I don't know/remember what it was called... probably #debian is not the best place to ask this :) |
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| 01:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | simple things like backup of certain directories/files, I mean |
| 01:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoreline, hm, you might go through this list to find it, though: http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 01:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially looking at the entries that say "rescue" |
| 01:02.46 | shoreline | CutMeOwnThroat: That's great, thanks |
| 01:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly diagnostics |
| 01:02.51 | Roland- | hey, I have this problem: http://imigi.rol.ro/public/7272/scr2.jpg |
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| 01:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | shoreline, ha, thanks for asking - was looking for a disk to do a off-system virus scan on a friends computer - it never occured to me to just search for a list of live-cds for that... |
| 01:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !livecd is also http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 01:05.21 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: okay |
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| 01:05.31 | jpinx | Anyone able to point me the right direction to install a TP-LINK TL-WN510G wireless PCMCIA card in lenny? |
| 01:05.32 | adb | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/20081121/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:06.32 | margiolas | hello i would like to buy a simple web camera? any suggestion. i need full linux support . I have no experience with webcameras' linux drivers |
| 01:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, yes, dpkg, I think :) |
| 01:07.09 | jpinx | I'm reading dpkg right now ;) |
| 01:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, did you /msg dpkg wireless? rather extinsive list... |
| 01:07.30 | jpinx | he's the most helpful guy in the room |
| 01:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, he types faster and doesn't have memory lapses :) |
| 01:08.02 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yep - got the chipset and installing madwifi now |
| 01:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially types faster.... |
| 01:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I'd have to make that up, it'd surely taken several times of talking and... dunno 10 minutes to get it all together |
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| 01:09.23 | jpinx | yep - I love that guy :) |
| 01:09.31 | up365 | margiolas, I have a Logitech quickcam zoom, software - camorama- debian etch |
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| 01:09.57 | Yamakiri|Away | In what ways is debian different from ubuntu? |
| 01:09.58 | jpinx | Hmm - there's no such package as madwifi . |
| 01:11.10 | gewt | !tell jpinx about madwifi |
| 01:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, never ran ubuntu - different release cycle, different packages... different bug tracking system ... and xpilot-ng is broken in ubuntu but works in debian |
| 01:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 01:13.08 | Yamakiri|Away | okay thank you CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 01:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roland-, and that's not a "problem" but a screenshot |
| 01:13.35 | jpinx | thanks gewt |
| 01:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yamakiri|Away, you should have asked in #ubuntu - seems ubuntu has a web-page about it: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian |
| 01:14.39 | Yamakiri|Away | oh thanks, heh |
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| 01:26.58 | gewt | wow |
| 01:27.05 | gewt | debian will run a while without anything in / |
| 01:27.30 | gewt | >< |
| 01:27.31 | gewt | no rm |
| 01:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, the kitten survives... |
| 01:27.43 | karsten | gewt: *ANY* Linu xsystem can run with / nuked, so long as you have a shell and the kernel running. |
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| 01:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, drives me mad that xchat removed the ctrl-f shortcut for searching |
| 01:28.17 | karsten | gewt: Mind it's not particularly _useful_. If you wanted to kill it good, doing something fatal to your swapsapce would probalby result in a KP after a time. |
| 01:28.47 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Here's a nickle. Buy a real IRC client. And name ;-) |
| 01:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or kill -9 -1 as root should also terminate the system rather well |
| 01:29.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Wouldn't that be 'kill -9 1' ? |
| 01:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, bah, here's your _nickel_ - buy a spell-checker :) (or an irc-client with one) |
| 01:29.54 | karsten | wonders what the hell 'kill -WINCH' sould do.... |
| 01:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 01:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | -1 is for "all processes", afaik |
| 01:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | as a normal user, that of course restricts you to your own processes |
| 01:30.32 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: My dictionary tells me that "nickle" is a perfectly valid spelling... |
| 01:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as root it should give you lots of free ram |
| 01:30.42 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... for a european woodpecker or yaffle. |
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| 01:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, to mean what? |
| 01:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nickle is a programming language? |
| 01:31.34 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: God knows. Every other word in the English language (and several letters of the alphabet) are. |
| 01:31.49 | karsten | can think of B, C, and R off the top of his head. |
| 01:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but Wikipedia kind of agrees to you, saying: Nickle is an alternative, rarely-used spelling [for nickel] |
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| 01:32.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and brainfuck :) |
| 01:32.17 | karsten | s/rarely-used/rarely-accepted/ ;-) |
| 01:32.24 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Last I checked, brainfuck wasn't a letter. |
| 01:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, a programming language |
| 01:32.40 | karsten | Yes, I know. |
| 01:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | is glad to be able to clear that up |
| 01:33.49 | karsten | decides that none of the BF quines are short enough to paste without causing major annoyance. |
| 01:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | had also considered pasting "hello world" in BF and refrained from it |
| 01:34.24 | karsten | is looking tha tup now ;-) |
| 01:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... two idiots, one idea |
| 01:34.43 | karsten | Yeah, mottos for a modern age. |
| 01:34.50 | karsten | "Share the poverty!" |
| 01:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, this one is short enough: |
| 01:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,[.,] |
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| 01:35.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you may stroke it, if you like :) |
| 01:35.41 | karsten | wonders if he should ask, or just install bf and compile... |
| 01:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | leaves that entirely to karsten. |
| 01:36.35 | karsten | Well, it appears that ubuntu doesn't include bf... |
| 01:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | strokes the ,[.,] over the head. |
| 01:37.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, it's a "cat" :) |
| 01:37.37 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Copies input? |
| 01:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, char-by char, it seems |
| 01:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's a package called "beef" in Debain |
| 01:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 01:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Debian |
| 01:38.35 | karsten | Right. Also Ubuntu. |
| 01:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yepp, it's cat |
| 01:39.02 | karsten | is on a kubntu box, ssh'd into several Debian boxen. |
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| 01:39.47 | heyuxiang | what/when/where/who/which/the/fuck |
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| 01:40.47 | heyuxiang | and? |
| 01:41.33 | heyuxiang | wtf... where are people |
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| 01:43.12 | Jimss | can someone help me fix this please, I am trying to install unrealircd i have done everything ok when i say ./unreal start it gives me this |
| 01:43.13 | Jimss | The OS enforces a limit on max open files |
| 01:43.13 | Jimss | Hard Limit: 1024 MAXCONNECTIONS: 30000 |
| 01:43.13 | Jimss | Fix MAXCONNECTIONS |
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| 01:43.28 | Jimss | but where is this hard limit? |
| 01:43.32 | Jimss | on os |
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| 01:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | type ulimit |
| 01:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and use a pastebin for >3 lines |
| 01:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pastebin |
| 01:44.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:44.21 | Jimss | 3 lines |
| 01:44.25 | Jimss | is only 2 man |
| 01:44.30 | Jimss | PTY12129:~/a/Unreal3.2# ulimit |
| 01:44.30 | Jimss | unlimited |
| 01:44.32 | Jimss | :D |
| 01:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were kicked, no? |
| 01:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ulimit -a |
| 01:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... "help ulimit" |
| 01:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's a bash internal) |
| 01:45.11 | Jimss | i shall use pastebin now |
| 01:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why should a single process really need to open more than 1024 files? |
| 01:45.36 | Jimss | is unrealircd man |
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| 01:45.45 | Jimss | chat like here |
| 01:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems more like the program is broken and the limit saved you |
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| 01:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what's it needing >1000 open files for? |
| 01:46.16 | Jimss | how many users are here? |
| 01:46.26 | Jimss | ;) |
| 01:46.29 | Jimss | for users mate |
| 01:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 01:46.33 | Jimss | chat |
| 01:46.38 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: each network socket is a file |
| 01:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would you need one open file/user? |
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| 01:46.56 | Jimss | CutMeOwnThroat is unrealircd |
| 01:47.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 01:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I see |
| 01:47.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | only root can set limits that are less restrictive, though |
| 01:48.03 | Jimss | http://rafb.net/p/CTUU7719.html |
| 01:48.17 | \amethyst | Jimss: ulimit -n is what you want, but as CutMeOwnThroat points out you have to be root to change it |
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| 01:48.23 | Jimss | max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited |
| 01:48.23 | Jimss | open files (-n) 1024 |
| 01:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | so ulimit -n 1000000 |
| 01:48.28 | Jimss | i am root |
| 01:48.31 | Jimss | i pay for it man |
| 01:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | not us, though :) |
| 01:48.48 | Jimss | but tell me how to change it man |
| 01:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did |
| 01:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | now you only gotta read it |
| 01:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, also told it |
| 01:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you can even read it twice |
| 01:49.13 | \amethyst | Jimss: what CutMeOwnThroat said: ulimit -n somebignum before running the ircd |
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| 01:49.25 | \amethyst | Jimss: how do you launch the ircd normally? from an init script? |
| 01:49.25 | Jimss | i see |
| 01:49.35 | Jimss | once compiled |
| 01:49.37 | Jimss | i do |
| 01:49.41 | Jimss | ./unreal start |
| 01:49.55 | \amethyst | Jimss: then do ulimit -n 100000 ; ./unreal start instead |
| 01:49.56 | Jimss | but what i want to know is do i have to do this ulimit -n number before i compile |
| 01:50.00 | \amethyst | no |
| 01:50.03 | \amethyst | just before you run it |
| 01:50.07 | Jimss | let me try |
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| 01:51.37 | Jimss | #define __FD_SETSIZE 30000 |
| 01:52.03 | Jimss | MAXCONNECTIONS (30000) is higher than FD_SETSIZE (1024) |
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| 01:52.09 | Jimss | i have already edited this |
| 01:52.16 | Jimss | #define __FD_SETSIZE 30000 |
| 01:52.24 | Jimss | does this have to have this at the begining # |
| 01:53.01 | \amethyst | __FD_SETSIZE might not be the same as FD_SETSIZE |
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| 01:53.46 | Jimss | ah |
| 01:54.13 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:54.25 | Jimss | i wonder where that is |
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| 01:54.39 | \amethyst | hm |
| 01:54.58 | Jimss | i found that _FD_SETSIZE on cd /usr/include/bits |
| 01:55.08 | Jimss | typesizes.h |
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| 01:55.46 | eagle_ | i just installed xmms2 but i cant start it from xfce, where i can searchproblem |
| 01:56.52 | amphi | eagle_: xmms2 is a command line program, I believe - try it in a shell |
| 01:56.57 | jpinx | I am setting up wifi with a PCMCIA card, but my cable ethernet is using it. Does anyone know offhand if the PCMCIA slots are hot-swappable in Lenny? |
| 01:57.08 | xtr | Why is it that everything I install has to be installed as root? Then I get another reminder as user that I have to be root to runt the apps too, is user good for anything? |
| 01:57.25 | eagle_ | aha, what is called that graphical one |
| 01:57.28 | dondelelcaro | xtr: there's very little that you have to do as root |
| 01:57.33 | jpinx | xtr use sudo |
| 01:57.40 | dondelelcaro | xtr: you don't have to install applications as root, nor do you have to be root to run most things |
| 01:57.44 | eagle_ | amphi |
| 01:58.20 | jpinx | dondelelcaro: why is aptitude only available to root then? |
| 01:58.25 | dondelelcaro | jpinx: it isn't? |
| 01:58.55 | dondelelcaro | you have to be root to install software into *some* locations, but that doesn't mean that you can't run such software locally. |
| 01:59.00 | xtr | perhaps then its just my choice of apps I am installing XAMPP, Wine, or any updates to any already installed apps |
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| 01:59.13 | jpinx | dondelelcaro: on my lenny I can not install anything at all except as root |
| 01:59.35 | jpinx | I can not use aptitude as user - only a root |
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| 01:59.56 | dondelelcaro | jpinx: sure you can. aptitude download hello; dpkg-deb -x hello*.deb; ./usr/bin/hello; |
| 02:00.23 | xtr | wow waht are the chances I come in here complaining about the same thing? as others |
| 02:00.41 | jpinx | dondelelcaro: that is totally non-obvious |
| 02:00.46 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: is that how you recommend xtr install software? |
| 02:00.57 | dondelelcaro | xtr: if you want to install applications sytem-wide, you have to be root. You don't have to be root to install packages locally. |
| 02:01.01 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: of course not |
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| 02:01.12 | amphi | eagle_: there are many; I like quodlibet |
| 02:01.17 | jpinx | xtr use sudo |
| 02:02.11 | \amethyst | xtr: you need root to install software systemwide because a normal user only has permission to write his/her own files |
| 02:02.21 | xtr | but as root wont it fill my /root directory, that happewned to me early on and I had to hack into the computer to move the files into /home |
| 02:02.37 | dondelelcaro | xtr: huh? You only install as root. You don't run them as root. |
| 02:02.58 | eagle_ | thnx ;) amphi this command line version isalso kool |
| 02:02.59 | xtr | yeah |
| 02:03.06 | \amethyst | xtr: some programs require root to run them because they do things that normal users aren't allowed to do (for example, sniffing packets, or editing system-wide configuration) |
| 02:03.11 | jpinx | xtr: the programmes are not installed into /root |
| 02:03.22 | \amethyst | xtr: most programs do not require root access, and shouldn't be run as root |
| 02:03.23 | xtr | if you fill up your directory you cant process anything, hangs |
| 02:03.44 | onetinsoldier | there's a reason you have to be root to install software, and perhaps more importantly uninstall software. Unix is based upon being a multi-user system... as in many many users using it. imagine the chaos if hundreds of users could install and uninstall stuff into the systems bin directories(/bin /usr/bin) |
| 02:03.52 | dondelelcaro | xtr: lets back up here. What exactly is the problem that you're having? |
| 02:03.54 | amphi | eagle_: moc is quite a nice command line player IMHO |
| 02:04.38 | onetinsoldier | let alone system libraries |
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| 02:05.18 | xtr | right now my issues is that after each thing I install I then have to be root to run as well, but my apps so far could be more of the system type apps such as XAMPP, with PHP and all that, trying to build a web site |
| 02:06.00 | jpinx | dondelelcaro: xtr 's original question was pretty much a general complaint |
| 02:06.01 | xtr | I think I am just not familiar with this linux yet |
| 02:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, why do you suggest sudo? it's only one more thing you can set up inproperly... |
| 02:06.26 | dondelelcaro | xtr: which application are you trying to run that you think you have to run as root? |
| 02:06.37 | xtr | XAMPP |
| 02:06.49 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: it's better than su-ing and forgetting to exit ;) |
| 02:07.57 | dondelelcaro | xtr: uh... AFAIK, Debian doesn't distribute that, nor do I know what it is. |
| 02:08.01 | \amethyst | xtr: yes, servers usually are started as root |
| 02:08.13 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: it's a distribution of apache + mysql + php + perl |
| 02:08.33 | dondelelcaro | oh, that'd be why I didn't know about it |
| 02:08.34 | \amethyst | xtr: but Debian provides its own versions of apache, mysql, php, and perl that you should be using instead |
| 02:08.36 | d-b | hi there today tripwire and tiger reported that a new file /sbin/description-pak was created. i can't find any packages that link to such a file. |
| 02:08.46 | \amethyst | xtr: if you were, the server would be started automatically when the machine boots |
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| 02:09.32 | xtr | Initially I would switch users then I started using su, eitherway I am root to install and then root to run...XAMPP is a n open source project with several apps built together specifically for WEB development |
| 02:09.54 | jpinx | xtr: if you're not using apt(itude) you're not making use of one of the best features of Debian |
| 02:09.56 | \amethyst | yes, you have to be root to run (most) servers |
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| 02:10.30 | xtr | XAMPP is fully tested on debian |
| 02:10.36 | \amethyst | that's because some actions that servers need to do (for example, listening on ports under 1024) are disallowed to normal users |
| 02:10.58 | \amethyst | normally you shouldn't have to start a server all that often though |
| 02:10.59 | xtr | So I am wondering if I should just be using a single user mode |
| 02:11.07 | \amethyst | no |
| 02:11.21 | \amethyst | even if you're running as root to start the server, there are lots of other things you don't need root for |
| 02:11.24 | xtr | no one but me on this computer |
| 02:11.28 | \amethyst | editing the web pages |
| 02:11.30 | \amethyst | etc |
| 02:11.45 | \amethyst | Running as root all the time is why Windows has a reputation for being insecure |
| 02:11.56 | xtr | copy |
| 02:12.27 | \amethyst | if you are running as root and execute an untrusted binary, a trojan might compromise the entire system in a way that is very hard to fix |
| 02:12.28 | d-b | never. be room if you don't have to be |
| 02:12.31 | d-b | root* |
| 02:12.37 | xtr | so really I wanted to see if what I was experienceing was normal, apparently it is..justmy app are more server type |
| 02:12.45 | \amethyst | xtr: yes |
| 02:13.07 | \amethyst | xtr: when maintaining servers, particularly ones that use ports < 1024, you usually have to be root to do anything useful |
| 02:13.20 | \amethyst | err |
| 02:13.38 | \amethyst | not 'anything useful', but to start/stop the service (and probably to edit its configuration) |
| 02:14.06 | \amethyst | but, for example, you shouldn't be editing HTML or PHP as root |
| 02:14.25 | xtr | Compiled Wine 1.1.8 as user then install as root run as user, then keyring askes for root password...I was confused, I completely understand why it is this way for robust reasons |
| 02:15.16 | \amethyst | xtr: how did you install it as root exactly? make install ? |
| 02:15.41 | xtr | then with XAMPP install same thing back and forth, but I guess when installing that should be the only time I see that |
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| 02:16.30 | xtr | yeah after the ./configure make depend && make as user, then you go as root ti make install |
| 02:16.34 | jpinx | I'm setting up Wifi for the first time. I have madwifi installed. DO I need network manager as well? |
| 02:17.16 | \amethyst | xtr: I have no idea why Wine would be asking for the root password; you might try to find a Wine channel or forum |
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| 02:18.04 | \amethyst | I personally would be hesitant to give Wine my root password, but that's just me |
| 02:18.09 | xtr | for development reasons its a good system because you need to run and compile source but to install that is where the system sort of protects itself, as designed |
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| 02:19.31 | xtr | Wine has to install just like others right |
| 02:19.46 | xtr | installing anything requires root |
| 02:19.48 | \amethyst | I mean when running it |
| 02:20.05 | xtr | well its wierd ritgh |
| 02:20.08 | xtr | right |
| 02:20.21 | \amethyst | yes, that is wierd |
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| 02:20.35 | xtr | wine is ( for lack of an easier word to use) emulating windows |
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| 02:21.03 | n3kl | Anyone know if pnfs is planned for debian? |
| 02:21.25 | \amethyst | I know what Wine is, and I've used it, and I've never had to be root or provide a root password |
| 02:21.27 | xtr | but if you install something with Wine you still need to provide the password for root |
| 02:21.39 | xtr | because wine is installing into Linux |
| 02:21.40 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 02:21.53 | \amethyst | that would depend on your Wine configuration, but okay |
| 02:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | xtr, why would you compile something like wine when there's a package present for it? |
| 02:22.13 | xtr | I mean wine is installing (someprogram) into linux |
| 02:22.25 | n3kl | xtr: no |
| 02:22.30 | \amethyst | xtr: not really, it's usually installing it onto the Wine virtual disk |
| 02:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there really such bleeding-edge new stuff happening in that bit of version difference |
| 02:22.39 | \amethyst | xtr: which is *usually* in your home directory, so you don't have to be root |
| 02:22.56 | \amethyst | xtr: but I don't know how you have configured it |
| 02:23.09 | xtr | because the program I use in Windows I wanted to port into linux...tired of windows |
| 02:23.16 | \amethyst | xtr: (so basically each user has their own "copy" of Windows with their own C:) |
| 02:23.32 | xtr | Reason 4.0 audio software |
| 02:23.35 | \amethyst | xtr: No, he's asking why you downloaded and compiled wine instead of doing aptitude install wine |
| 02:23.40 | Riviera_ | I often compiled wine while trying to make some Windows program work that otherwise crashed |
| 02:23.46 | \amethyst | does that only work with wine 1.1 for example? |
| 02:23.48 | n3kl | xtr: it doesn't work that great in wine |
| 02:23.49 | onetinsoldier | he compiled and installed Wine 1.1.8. perhaps v1.1.8 wasn available as a deb package and he wanted the lastest version for whatever reason. that's my guess |
| 02:23.56 | onetinsoldier | wasn't* |
| 02:24.06 | n3kl | Riviera_: I notice that too, strange.. |
| 02:24.06 | xtr | exactly 1.1.8 |
| 02:24.15 | Riviera_ | (after I changed the wine source, i mean) |
| 02:24.22 | xtr | 1.0.8 was not complete for what I needed |
| 02:24.46 | xtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems that the hard-coded ctrl-f for find-in-page is removed by a patch in Debian/Ubuntu/others, not in xchat itself... does anyone know if the one who included the patch also came up with a way to get a shortcut for find? |
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| 02:25.37 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: ctrl-f to do what? |
| 02:25.56 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: I mean, in which program util? |
| 02:26.01 | n3kl | shell? |
| 02:26.37 | Riviera_ | xchat, I guess :) |
| 02:26.45 | xtr | well I still need to get Reason 4.0 on disc, now that I bought a DVD player |
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| 02:27.25 | xtr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:27.48 | n3kl | it might be because you did not purchase the software. |
| 02:27.53 | xtr | prior to having a DVD i used the Magic disc etc |
| 02:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, it's all in that sentence :) "search-in-page" and "xchat" |
| 02:28.07 | xtr | not true |
| 02:28.16 | xtr | i did not have a DVD player |
| 02:28.26 | onetinsoldier | what is Reason 4.0? just curious... |
| 02:28.32 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: got it =] |
| 02:28.40 | xtr | So I downloaded it |
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| 02:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, sounds like a module for wifes... |
| 02:28.46 | n3kl | onetinsoldier: audio synth software |
| 02:28.52 | xtr | Music software |
| 02:28.52 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: rofl |
| 02:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ducks |
| 02:29.06 | onetinsoldier | n3kl: ah.. cool, thanks |
| 02:29.13 | xtr | sequencing and I also have recording software from Stienberger that works with it |
| 02:29.17 | onetinsoldier | xtr: roger |
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| 02:30.35 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: guess there must not be too many wifes in here.. lol! |
| 02:30.36 | xtr | Anyway I am also building a website for my band using Joomla! (opensource) which requires XAMPP |
| 02:31.10 | xtr | the remote server in linux based |
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| 02:31.15 | xtr | is* |
| 02:31.23 | \amethyst | joomla does not require XAMPP |
| 02:31.55 | \amethyst | the joomla developers even provide a .deb package (it's not in Debian, though) |
| 02:31.58 | xtr | you are right it does not require it but Xampp has everything you need for joomla! |
| 02:32.27 | dondelelcaro | so does Debian. |
| 02:32.49 | xtr | other wise I would using PHP, mySQL, Apache and a host of other things |
| 02:32.59 | \amethyst | you *ARE* using those things |
| 02:33.12 | \amethyst | the question is whether you get them from XAMPP or whether you get them from Debian |
| 02:33.23 | xtr | hmm |
| 02:33.25 | \amethyst | it's your choice, but if you don't get them from Debian we can't really help you with them here |
| 02:33.31 | xtr | I looked for LAMPP |
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| 02:33.39 | xtr | in th repository |
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| 02:34.30 | dondelelcaro | xtr: all of the components of it we distribute already. |
| 02:34.41 | \amethyst | aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql perl php5-mysql libapache2-mod-perl2 libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 02:34.55 | \amethyst | that should be most of the components right there |
| 02:35.04 | xtr | so what are you saying that debian has all of the DB, server, mail,ftp file mgmnt,etc I need fore joomla! |
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| 02:35.26 | mEck0 | hi! I've downloaded Debian netinst-image and when I boot up I got a screen with the debian logo, and a text like: press F1 for help or ENTER to boot. pressed ENTER, then I see a lot of text for things being loaded, but then the screen gets totally black and nothing happens... :-( have waited a bit, but no. whats the problem? |
| 02:35.51 | \amethyst | xtr: yes, you just have to tell it what you need because they're not installed by default |
| 02:35.52 | n3kl | mEck0: sounds like you got the iso from the wrong cpu. |
| 02:35.52 | dondelelcaro | xtr: yes, that's exactly what we're saying. |
| 02:35.54 | \amethyst | xtr: http://developer.joomla.org/section-blog/17-developer-team-blog/86-joomla-debian-package.html |
| 02:36.25 | mEck0 | n3kl: I choosed i386, I'm trying to install it on a HP 6510b with intel c2d cpu |
| 02:36.29 | mEck0 | whats right? |
| 02:36.45 | xtr | copy that...I will go back and read the requirements for joomla! and then determine what I need as native linux apps |
| 02:36.47 | \amethyst | xtr: that page has information about installing the joomla .deb package |
| 02:37.16 | \amethyst | xtr: the package probably already has the dependencies it needs, so following the steps described there ought to give you everything you need |
| 02:37.34 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: can you give a link to the web page you downloaded it from? |
| 02:37.40 | \amethyst | xtr: (you'll need to stop the XAMPP servers first, otherwise the Debian ones might not be able to start) |
| 02:38.08 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/ , I've tried with: debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:38.49 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: x86_64 should work.. but so should the 32-bit net installer i believe |
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| 02:39.17 | xtr | yeah I have the 64 bit kernel so I would rather use the native programs |
| 02:39.46 | xtr | I didn't know I could get those other apps as part of the linux |
| 02:40.06 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: okay |
| 02:40.43 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: yeah.. what you chose 'should' work as far as i know |
| 02:40.49 | xtr | alright well thanks for that info, perhaps I'll be back later to report on my status |
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| 02:41.44 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: I don't know what could be wrong. Have also downloaded: debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso , will test with it now. Though I don't know whats the difference between this and the one I've tested with |
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| 02:42.17 | \amethyst | xtr: this is what separates Linux from Windows... with most distributions, you can get all kinds of stuff as part of the operating system |
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| 02:42.26 | onetinsoldier | \ |
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| 02:43.04 | xtr | I am not used to that |
| 02:43.05 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: how new is the computer... full system spces are preferable to an vendoe model number |
| 02:43.10 | onetinsoldier | vendor* |
| 02:43.16 | xtr | open source rocks! |
| 02:43.20 | n3kl | I keep getting apache errors cause someone is trying to use a proxy I don't have. Is there some way I can dynamically deny access in teh way that fail2ban does for ssh? |
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| 02:43.39 | \amethyst | xtr: in your case, it sounds like joomla itself might be the only thing you need that's not already part of Debian |
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| 02:44.50 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: how old/new is your computer? |
| 02:45.00 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: the laptop is about 1year with similar specs as this: http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?e=215970 (the site is in swedish...) |
| 02:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | xtr, and what I actually like so much about Debian is that you get most programs and all needed dependencies within a (couple of) minute(s) and with one command... normally, that is :) |
| 02:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the rpm-based distros have come up with something similar by now (I think they have with ... yum?) - but when I last used a rpm-based distro, they hadn't and installing new things always lead into your own private dependency hell |
| 02:46.06 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: copy that. i don't know what's wrong either. black screens with no visible error message can be hard to figure out. |
| 02:46.25 | xtr | Cool I am reading the package stuff now, i need to put the repository url in the source.list...I know the apt get thing is awesome, synaptic and aptitude all make a great download grabber - |
| 02:46.40 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: okay :-( I'm burning the other iso now, will see if that work |
| 02:46.45 | xtr | of course someone has to put the package together too |
| 02:47.21 | onetinsoldier | and it's my understanding that you can't hardly change anyting in the bios's of hp, dell, and similar system vendors computers |
| 02:47.28 | xtr | it makes a lot of things easy as a new user |
| 02:47.36 | onetinsoldier | which is a bummer |
| 02:47.53 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: no, I can't change so much there |
| 02:48.28 | xtr | doesn't netinstall come with a debug file? |
| 02:48.44 | xtr | in case things go wrong |
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| 02:49.26 | adb | !tell mEck0 about laptop |
| 02:50.21 | adb | !tell mEck0 about acpi |
| 02:50.57 | xtr | btw my debian - install had issues from CDrom because bios hard drive mapping was not right |
| 02:51.12 | onetinsoldier | how can i ask the bot to tell me about stuff? |
| 02:51.25 | xtr | I had to move my three hard drive around until it could see hd0 |
| 02:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, /msg dpkg stuff |
| 02:52.03 | xtr | then I found in the bios a thing - you know where the plug and play option is... |
| 02:52.06 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, roger. seems like i tried that the other day and it didn't respond. i will try again tho. thanks |
| 02:52.06 | xtr | turned it off |
| 02:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, opens a new tab in many irc clients |
| 02:52.27 | xtr | OS plug and play "YES" |
| 02:52.40 | xtr | not "NO" |
| 02:52.55 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: copy |
| 02:53.23 | xtr | meanwhile my XP SP3 lost its boot sector and wotn boot until I get aROUND TO FIXING THAT |
| 02:53.38 | xtr | caps lock...sheesh |
| 02:54.20 | xtr | anyway...I am out...again... |
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| 02:55.09 | onetinsoldier | xtr: take care |
| 02:55.34 | onetinsoldier | xtr: and good luck! |
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| 03:02.45 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: with the other netinst-iso, I got a menu where I could choose install or graphical ui install. the gui install starts, I was able to see the gui but the screen flickers and the mouse etc lagged a lot. when I choosed install, I've got a black screen again... |
| 03:03.00 | mEck0 | I think I'll try one of the usual cd-installs |
| 03:04.18 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: hmm, intersting. you have anything against trying out 'Lenny'(Debian 5.0). right now it's considered 'testing'. but from what i have heard it's very close to becoming the 'stable' release of debian. |
| 03:04.19 | xtr | okay um ... joomla page says to add this to my source.list: deb http://ubuntu.nad.go.id/repo/debian etch local |
| 03:05.05 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: no I haven't actually, since the HP laptop isn't my primary laptop anymore, so now I don't have anything important on it. Do you have a url to it? |
| 03:05.34 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: i just installed lenny myself a few days ago. haven't used linux in years. i have forgotten so much i'm sad... |
| 03:05.45 | mEck0 | hehe |
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| 03:07.00 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: perhaps leeny will be the ticket for you. i recommend you download the X86_64 version. it will take better advantage of your hardware |
| 03:07.22 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: ok, but does it work with usual apps, flash etc? |
| 03:07.24 | xtr | I added it to the sources.list via the synaptic repository dialog |
| 03:07.33 | xtr | APT line |
| 03:07.43 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: another wondering, is it possible to install netinst-versions from a usb-stick? |
| 03:07.59 | xtr | anyway the it says there is a problem |
| 03:08.13 | xtr | when I reload the repository |
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| 03:08.44 | SQlvpapir_ | mEck0: if u plan to use 32bit flash then you need a 32bit browser.. etc. but 32bit apps shoud run fine on the 64bit kernel |
| 03:08.51 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: is amd64 the 64-bit you mean? |
| 03:08.57 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: i can't say for 100% certain. i haven't gotten X going yet. heck, i haven't had the time to do hardly anything yet, been working too much lately. however, i believe i saw 'flash' avaailable as an installable package |
| 03:09.17 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: ok |
| 03:09.19 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: yes.. amd64 |
| 03:09.59 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: thx |
| 03:10.05 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: yes.. usb stick netinst is avaible for download |
| 03:10.25 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: you're welcome. and good luck! |
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| 03:11.14 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: thx =) |
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| 03:12.53 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: i do hope you saw what SQlvpapir_ had to say about flash |
| 03:13.43 | bokey | hi guys. i've got 2 java package on lenny. is there a way to tell update-alternative to use jdk1.6 instead of jdk1.5 for all its needs such as java/javah/javac/rmiregistry etc...? |
| 03:13.46 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: hmm, no ? |
| 03:14.16 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: scroll up? |
| 03:14.35 | bokey | is there a way? |
| 03:14.39 | SQlvpapir_ | back in the days it was a pita to keep a 64bit system for desktop, but I guess that has changed.. anyway I am still on 686, and prolly will stay here till I change hardware |
| 03:14.41 | \amethyst | bokey: update-java-alternatives |
| 03:14.50 | bokey | \amethyst: thanks will try |
| 03:14.51 | mEck0 | ah, now I see, yep |
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| 03:15.36 | onetinsoldier | last time i use linux 64-bit was in it's infancy.. it was available, but in it's infancy |
| 03:15.41 | bokey | \amethyst: thats not what i asked |
| 03:15.49 | bokey | \amethyst: it shows only 1 java |
| 03:16.13 | bokey | \amethyst: update-java-alternatives shows that only 1 java is installed. where as update-alternative shows 2 |
| 03:16.31 | \amethyst | bokey: which one does u-j-a show? |
| 03:16.49 | bokey | \amethyst: u.j.a shows java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 03:16.59 | \amethyst | bokey: and what is the other one? |
| 03:17.19 | bokey | \amethyst: u.a --config java ===> + 1 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/bin/java |
| 03:17.26 | bokey | * 2 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 03:17.52 | \amethyst | bokey: oh, that might be too old of a java 1.5 package |
| 03:17.56 | bokey | \amethyst: i want to be able to use java-6-sun for everything... |
| 03:18.13 | bokey | \amethyst: java1.5 doesn't like to be removed.. openoffice goes with it.. hence i kept it |
| 03:18.29 | bokey | and i _do_ want 1.5 =:P |
| 03:18.38 | bokey | s/1.5/openoffice |
| 03:18.55 | \amethyst | bokey: hm, you might see if it works with sun-java5-bin |
| 03:18.57 | \amethyst | bokey: but |
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| 03:19.11 | \amethyst | bokey: if you want the default to be java-6-sun you can do that |
| 03:19.32 | \amethyst | bokey: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 03:19.32 | bokey | \amethyst: do what man? |
| 03:19.33 | bokey | \amethyst: ok lemme try |
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| 03:20.43 | bokey | \amethyst: thats going good.. =:-) |
| 03:20.44 | bokey | thanks |
| 03:20.55 | bokey | goes to fix java and then to a bit coding... |
| 03:21.00 | bokey | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 03:22.17 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: YES, really nice =) just booted up with the amd64 netinst of lenny and choosed GUI install from the menu and now it works =) |
| 03:22.22 | mEck0 | great, thx a lot! |
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| 03:22.29 | d-b | hi there what is the gpg key that the sha1checksums updated file should match i am getting it belonging to steve mcintyre but not his debian email. is this correct ? |
| 03:22.46 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: yeehaaw! great! |
| 03:22.53 | mEck0 | =) |
| 03:22.54 | amikrop | I try to mount a USB flash disk that I have formatted myself with fdisk, and I get this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 03:22.55 | amikrop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.12 | amikrop | The fs type is not wring |
| 03:23.14 | onetinsoldier | another happy debianite |
| 03:23.14 | amikrop | * wrong |
| 03:23.23 | amikrop | I don't give a bad option |
| 03:23.40 | amikrop | So, it must be a bad superblock on /dev/sda1 |
| 03:23.50 | onetinsoldier | i doubt it |
| 03:23.54 | amikrop | How can I fix it? |
| 03:24.11 | onetinsoldier | you need fat16 support in your filesystem |
| 03:24.14 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: actually, the main reason why I'm trying Debian now (usually runs Ubuntu) is because I want to learn how to share folders with samba manually and it have been a lot of complications with it. Have done exactly as several guides on the net but it still don't worked... |
| 03:24.22 | onetinsoldier | i think.... |
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| 03:24.27 | amikrop | onetinsoldier, why? |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | d-b: that doesn't make a ton of sense |
| 03:24.53 | amikrop | !bad superblock |
| 03:25.00 | onetinsoldier | most usb sticks come formatted as fat16.. or have you formatted it into something different |
| 03:25.02 | onetinsoldier | ? |
| 03:25.06 | d-b | ok let me link you to what i am seeing. http://mirror.3fl.net.au/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-cd/SHA1SUMS.update.sign |
| 03:25.16 | amikrop | onetinsoldier: I have formatted it to something different |
| 03:25.25 | d-b | DSA key ID 88C7C1F7 --> goes with that |
| 03:25.35 | amikrop | I have chosen the "Linux" filesystem type. |
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| 03:25.39 | amikrop | In fdisk. |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | d-b: there are a few keyring packages in debian .. if you want a single apt-key .. /msg dpkg apt-key <fookey> |
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| 03:26.06 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: copy that. i did that same thing a looong time ago, years ago. took a fair amoutn of trial and error, and then putting muy nose back into the manual for me, hehe. |
| 03:26.24 | onetinsoldier | s/amoutn/amount |
| 03:26.25 | d-b | oh ok ^^ |
| 03:26.28 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: hehe =) |
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| 03:27.29 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: but i persevered(sp?) and got it working. then felt satisfaction. :-) |
| 03:27.49 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: one of the pros for stuff that don't work for the first time is that you almost always learn much more if you encounter problems first =) |
| 03:27.57 | onetinsoldier | amikrop: copy.. i don't know then. |
| 03:27.57 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: =) nice |
| 03:28.01 | amikrop | onetinsoldier: Actually, let's say I want to make my USB exactly it was like before. filesystem: msdos, and no partitions |
| 03:28.30 | onetinsoldier | amikrop: does it show up with the fdisk -l command? |
| 03:28.42 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: do you know how the debian guided disk partitioning will be? I usually create: /boot, /, /home, swap, /media/Storage for the rest |
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| 03:29.14 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: nope.. i set up all my partitions totally manually |
| 03:29.39 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: ok, check |
| 03:30.02 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: btw, is it necessary to create a partition for swap? can't it just use a swap-file? |
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| 03:30.18 | abrotman | you can use a swapfile |
| 03:30.46 | mEck0 | abrotman: is it something I must tell debian or will it be so by default if I don't create a partition for swap? |
| 03:31.11 | abrotman | i can't recall if the installer does the swap file.. or if it's something you do after the install |
| 03:31.21 | mEck0 | okay |
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| 03:33.34 | mEck0 | abrotman: found this, http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/07/how-to-add-linux-swap-file-if-you-dont-have-swap-partition.html |
| 03:33.43 | liable | it doesnt make swapfiles |
| 03:33.44 | mEck0 | I think I'll try it |
| 03:33.53 | mEck0 | liable: okay? not? |
| 03:33.58 | liable | it complains if you dont have a swap partition, but thats it |
| 03:34.15 | onetinsoldier | can someone help me get console framebuffer going? |
| 03:34.23 | mEck0 | liable: aha, you mean that debian doesn't makes it? or the guide in the link? |
| 03:34.34 | liable | mEck0: the installer |
| 03:34.39 | mEck0 | liable: ok, thx |
| 03:34.44 | adb | mEck0: take a look in >> cat /etc/fstab |
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| 03:35.05 | mEck0 | adb: yep |
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| 03:35.37 | adb | you 'll see or not the swap line |
| 03:35.55 | mEck0 | will do when I've installed the system |
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| 03:36.37 | adb | so you have it ? |
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| 03:38.29 | funyun | hi. i'm trying to install the latest svn of rtorrent but i get this when i do the first ./configure. ./configure: line 22555: syntax error near unexpected token `OPENSSL,' |
| 03:38.39 | funyun | anyone know what i need to do? |
| 03:39.03 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: hmm, seems that theres a bug or something in the installer. anyway, the progress bar has stopped at "Starting up the partitioner" when I've choosed to set them up manually |
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| 03:39.28 | abrotman | funyun: ask them, not us |
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| 03:39.42 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: i'm thinking... |
| 03:39.51 | funyun | abrotman: they don't know. |
| 03:40.04 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: just rebooted, will try if autosetup of partitions will go further |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | funyun: it's their code .. that's pretty sad if they can't tell you what their compile errors mean |
| 03:40.24 | mEck0 | the computer doesn't freezed because I could move the mice cursor |
| 03:40.31 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: what did you choose in the installer to load? cfdisk? parted? |
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| 03:41.52 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: I didn't choose any of them myself, when booted up I choosed to install via the GUI, then at the partitioner I've choose Manual and then the screen came up with the progress bar and "Starting the partitioner". it came half way and no more... waited for some minutes but nothing happened |
| 03:42.54 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: prior to that, you have a chioce to laod up some extras in the installer. i chose 'parted'. but 'cfdisk' should also work as far as i know. |
| 03:42.59 | onetinsoldier | load* |
| 03:43.26 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: hmm okay, did you installed it via the GUI? I can't remember I got a choise like that before :S |
| 03:43.31 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: your problem might be that you didn't select to load up cfdisk or parted |
| 03:43.39 | mEck0 | okay |
| 03:43.43 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: yep, expert install gui |
| 03:43.59 | mEck0 | did you wrote it? |
| 03:44.12 | mEck0 | because I just choose it via the menu |
| 03:44.32 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: sorry.. not sure i understand the question |
| 03:45.17 | mEck0 | np, when booted up with the cdrom, you see a menu where you can select "install", "gui install" etc. with the arrow keys. I just seleced menu and pressed ENTER |
| 03:45.27 | mEck0 | is it how you've done it? |
| 03:45.34 | onetinsoldier | i chose gui expert install |
| 03:45.49 | mEck0 | okay, probably not the same as I then |
| 03:45.55 | onetinsoldier | it's under 'options' or some such |
| 03:46.26 | onetinsoldier | first there is chioce of further options or something. then i chose expert gui install |
| 03:47.24 | mEck0 | aha, I see |
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| 03:47.42 | onetinsoldier | cool |
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| 03:48.44 | mEck0 | ah, now I can conf them manually (haven't choose expert install, just rebooted) |
| 03:49.05 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 03:49.14 | PLITS | hi to all .... a little new with debian is there a way in debian to shrink the hard drive and also another thing cant get my broadcom wireles card to conect to the wireless network any ideas? |
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| 03:51.49 | abrotman | which version of debian? and i think you mean to shrink the partition |
| 03:52.00 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: does Debian has a /media folder or do Debian use /mnt for mounting? |
| 03:52.15 | mEck0 | *have |
| 03:52.18 | onetinsoldier | would anyone like to help me get console framebuffer going? |
| 03:52.29 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: /media directory |
| 03:52.34 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: ok, thx |
| 03:52.38 | onetinsoldier | np |
| 03:54.21 | adb | !tell onetinsoldier about fbcon |
| 03:54.47 | onetinsoldier | adb: thanks.. i will read |
| 03:55.05 | adb | np |
| 03:55.31 | SQlvpapir__ | mEck0: you can mount stuff anywhere you like |
| 03:55.59 | onetinsoldier | ok, but it doesn't really tell me how to get it set up/going |
| 03:56.37 | onetinsoldier | note: i don't have the module in my current kernel initrd. i may have to do something about that |
| 03:56.42 | mEck0 | SQlvpapir__: yes I know, but I prefer having them in one place |
| 03:56.57 | mEck0 | btw, whats the difference between primary and logical partition? |
| 03:57.35 | SQlvpapir__ | well u decide where u put stuff then :-) no reason to obay the law of "we like 'media' better than 'mnt'" or whatever |
| 03:58.03 | mEck0 | SQlvpapir__: hehe okay |
| 03:58.06 | adb | !lett mEck0 about background |
| 03:58.18 | adb | !tell mEck0 about background |
| 03:58.43 | mEck0 | adb? don't see anything |
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| 03:59.37 | adb | there id a new console in your chat |
| 03:59.44 | adb | is* |
| 03:59.57 | adb | named dpkg |
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| 04:01.24 | mEck0 | adb: thx! |
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| 04:02.02 | \amethyst | adb: do you mean 'grounding' ? |
| 04:02.08 | \amethyst | adb: rather than 'background' |
| 04:02.49 | onetinsoldier | would anyone like to help me get console framebuffer going? |
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| 04:04.28 | fdasse | hi |
| 04:04.38 | fdasse | anyone with elive? |
| 04:04.46 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html |
| 04:04.51 | abrotman | fdasse: #elive please |
| 04:04.51 | fdasse | im trying to use it in my laptop, but my connection wont show up :S |
| 04:04.59 | fdasse | ok, sorry |
| 04:05.53 | bvk | hi, what is the *right* way to suspend laptop from command line? pm-suspend? hibernate-ram? or s2ram? |
| 04:06.58 | onetinsoldier | is there a way to stop the kernel ethernet driver from outputting error message in the foreground on console terminals? |
| 04:07.32 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ok, thanks. do you kow if i must have the fb module in my initrd image? |
| 04:07.44 | onetinsoldier | s/kow/know |
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| 04:08.43 | adb | cat /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |grep FB |
| 04:09.08 | scientes_ | how do i get apt-build to work with distcc? |
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| 04:09.29 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: this is why you don't compile your own kernel |
| 04:09.50 | abrotman | scientes_: maybe change the CC envvar .. did you ask google ? |
| 04:10.07 | scientes_ | yes google only had a few forum posts with no usedull responses |
| 04:11.05 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: i haven't compiled my own kernel yet, and it's part of the reason i don't have it in my initrd, i think. |
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| 04:12.15 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: it actually my fault i reckon. at install i had a choice. i chose to install only the modules need for my $arch, instead of the 'all' option |
| 04:13.01 | amphi | !uuoc |
| 04:13.02 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 04:15.15 | abrotman | scientes_: did you try changing the CC envvar ? |
| 04:15.54 | scientes_ | i dont know what to set it to |
| 04:16.41 | jberg- | i have this 3g/edge wireless card which i connect to my computer with usb, the card is GlobeTrotter something. Do you think it will work to do a netinstall of debian with that or will the drivers be missing? also, is it hard to set up an ad-hoc network if i get internett from that card and have another wireless card which will share the internett to the other computers? |
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| 04:18.24 | abrotman | jberg-: did you google to see which driver makes it work ? |
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| 04:20.01 | chuck | How do I make it so that my bash prompt is coloured? |
| 04:20.10 | abrotman | #bash |
| 04:20.26 | chuck | I added my user with `useradd`, and my shell is bash, but the .bashrc is apparently not being run |
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| 04:21.10 | mEck0 | which DE will be installed when choosing "Desktop environment" in the Debian installer? gnome? |
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| 04:21.21 | chuck | mEck0, Gnome |
| 04:21.25 | abrotman | usually gnome, depends on the installer image you used |
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| 04:21.39 | mEck0 | chuck, abrotman: thx |
| 04:21.43 | synesp | should my hostname be set to a fqdn ? |
| 04:21.50 | synesp | to my * fqdn |
| 04:21.55 | chuck | synesp, I usually do that, yeah |
| 04:22.02 | abrotman | you mean /etc/hostname? no |
| 04:22.08 | synesp | oh, what should it be ? |
| 04:22.11 | chuck | abrotman, do you know how to fix the prompt colours? |
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| 04:22.28 | abrotman | chuck: ask #bash .. also try to source .bashrc manually .. not all shells read that file |
| 04:22.38 | abrotman | synesp: your hostname |
| 04:22.40 | chuck | abrotman, but I'm using /bin/bash, shouldn't it be running the script? |
| 04:22.46 | chuck | Usually when I run adduser it works.. |
| 04:22.51 | abrotman | it depends how you start the shell |
| 04:22.58 | chuck | oh I see, it's a file owner mismatch |
| 04:23.10 | abrotman | # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. |
| 04:23.20 | synesp | ok - so my fqdn should be mapped in my hosts file ? |
| 04:23.39 | chuck | bah, I can't figure this out... |
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| 04:25.11 | onetinsoldier | chuck: there used to be a pretty cool software script for colorizing your bash prompt called 'bashish'. i have no idea if it's still being suppported by a developer though. you'd probably find it with a google search though |
| 04:25.43 | jberg- | abrotman, i don't know. it seems a debian based distribution named sidux has support for the globe trotter umts card, but i want debian |
| 04:26.00 | onetinsoldier | is there a way to stop the kernel ethernet driver from outputting error message in the foreground on console terminals? |
| 04:26.03 | abrotman | sidux is supported in #sidux on irc.oftc.net .. not in #debian |
| 04:27.01 | jberg- | abrotman, yeah.. i don't want to use sidux, im just saying looks like that is the only distribution it's supported |
| 04:27.14 | chuck | there we go, all better |
| 04:27.16 | abrotman | then use the debian isntaller .. not sidux |
| 04:27.44 | jberg- | abrotman, yes, im wondering if it will manage to connect to the internet though |
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| 04:27.59 | abrotman | jberg-: it still depends on the driver |
| 04:28.44 | jberg- | yep. if d-i doesn't have the driver, is it possible to supply it with a usb stick or something during installation? |
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| 04:41.13 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: wee, installation complete, lets see what will happen on reboot =) |
| 04:41.26 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: sweet :-) |
| 04:41.31 | mEck0 | is curious |
| 04:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | monitor will explode |
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| 04:43.29 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: wow, one thing I've realized is that debian seems to boot up kind of fast. maybe I'll try to see how much seconds it takes with "bootchart". I remember my ubuntu systems usually booted up in about 38-42 seconds |
| 04:44.07 | solid_liq | !ping |
| 04:44.14 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: roger. but was that booting into X? |
| 04:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | pong |
| 04:44.24 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
| 04:44.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 04:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | plays dpkg |
| 04:44.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:44.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 04:44.56 | abrotman | yay ..only one reply |
| 04:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not reacting to THAT |
| 04:45.31 | abrotman | you're not supposed to .. sometimes some IRC clients do a sysinfo on that |
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| 04:47.40 | onetinsoldier | hello. i am getting occasional error messages from the kernel ethernet driver on the foreground of my console terminals. is there a way to relegate the error messages to log files only(stop the output from coming out on the console terms)? |
| 04:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | just switch consoles |
| 04:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally it's just coming on one |
| 04:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | iirc |
| 04:49.15 | Riviera_ | onetinsoldier: check the manpage of klogd |
| 04:49.20 | onetinsoldier | well, seems to be following me around then! hehe |
| 04:49.36 | abrotman | it does follow you around, syslog dumps the urgent messages to the active console |
| 04:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you smell nice for them |
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| 04:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm.. that's actually not very useful... specially if the "urgent message" is repeated a couple of million times |
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| 04:51.05 | onetinsoldier | onmy system it's rsyslogd.. but i don't think i saw the answer in the man page. i hoping for someone that has had to solve this problem themselves and knows a direct answer.. not that pointing out a doc is a bad thing. but damn... |
| 04:52.56 | Riviera_ | well, sorry |
| 04:52.58 | Riviera_ | am too sleepy |
| 04:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, well, if you find out, let me know |
| 04:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think at least once that million-messages problem might have hit me... and it was annoying |
| 04:54.41 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: if you want, you can edit syslog.conf and change something around the first line so it doesn't send urgent stuff to the console |
| 04:54.54 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: it might be better to bug the folks who wrote the driver, though |
| 04:55.21 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: actually, it's no longer near the top in my current one; lemme hunt |
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| 04:55.56 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: roger. seems xsdg might know something about this. |
| 04:56.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | him or roger :) |
| 04:56.12 | onetinsoldier | xsdg: thank you for trying to help me out |
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| 04:57.33 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: ok, I commented out the line for "Emergencies are sent to everybody logged in." |
| 04:57.35 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: prefer Citizen's Band replies? 10-4 good buddy.. what's your 10-20? hehe |
| 04:57.42 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 04:57.55 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: there might be a better way, but if so, I don't know what it is |
| 04:58.16 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: also, you might look into syslog-ng (I've never used it, so I can't really say that it'll help. But it might) |
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| 04:58.43 | scientes_ | is there any way to fix X after mounting /tmp? |
| 04:58.57 | xsdg | scientes_: what do you mean "fix X"? |
| 04:59.00 | scientes_ | apparentally it has some files in tmp that are required to connect to the server |
| 04:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, I guess one could safely change that to /dev/tty1 - one ist still very likely to discover stuff on the 1st tty, but at least there are some that you can still use |
| 04:59.16 | scientes_ | so i cant launch any new X apps till i restart X |
| 04:59.22 | onetinsoldier | xsdg: ok, copy that. i will try that out. rsyslogd does say that it comes with extensive docs in html format. but i was hoping for something without having to sift through an hours worth of reading. your fix will at least work for now. thanks! |
| 04:59.58 | xsdg | scientes_: oh, maybe unmount /tmp, copy the files out from under the mount point, then mount the new one and copy them back? |
| 05:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | scientes_, none that I know of, let me look |
| 05:00.40 | xsdg | CutMeOwnThroat: /tmp/.X11-unix |
| 05:00.44 | xsdg | and .ICE-unix |
| 05:00.57 | adb | rm /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 05:01.28 | xsdg | adb: uhh... why? |
| 05:01.50 | adb | to may start a new X |
| 05:02.20 | xsdg | adb: no, scientes_ wants to be able to start apps without restarting the X server |
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| 05:03.31 | adb | ah , sure some new apps needs log out/ log in |
| 05:03.42 | scientes_ | well f it ill see if they are there |
| 05:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | scientes_, hm ls -l /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 ; # srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 13 22:49 X0 |
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| 05:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you can recreate a socket... |
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| 05:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | the program needs to be connected to it |
| 05:04.34 | xsdg | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I was thinking that |
| 05:04.48 | scientes_ | hmm x is attached with .ICEs to the current one |
| 05:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and your X is still connected to the one that is erased (so it's not really erased whatever you did) |
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| 05:04.58 | xsdg | scientes_: you can probably move them and then symlink into the new /tmp |
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| 05:05.25 | scientes_ | cause i changed /tmo to a tmpfs |
| 05:05.44 | xsdg | scientes_: so, for instance, umount /tmp; mv /tmp /tmptmp; mkdir /tmp; chmod /tmp (whatever-it-should-be); ln -s /tmptmp/* /tmp |
| 05:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | restart X... whatever you've got running, it'll be faster than figuring out how to do this :) |
| 05:05.57 | scientes_ | it wont umount /tmp |
| 05:06.04 | scientes_ | yep :) |
| 05:06.09 | xsdg | yeah, CutMeOwnThroat's right :o) |
| 05:06.12 | mEck0 | bah, what, "bash: ifconfig: command not found", then how do I check what my ip is in debian? |
| 05:06.20 | xsdg | mEck0: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:06.24 | xsdg | it's probably not in your path |
| 05:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | xsdg, that actually might work, though... if the programs follow soft-links |
| 05:06.37 | mEck0 | xsdg: thx! |
| 05:06.45 | xsdg | mEck0: np |
| 05:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice idea |
| 05:07.03 | xsdg | danke |
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| 05:13.34 | javanero | amazing what one extra gig of ram will do for a system ... |
| 05:13.46 | mEck0 | I can list the shares of a computer which I've shared a folder on, though, how do I connect/mount the shared folder as a certain user? |
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| 05:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or five :) |
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| 05:18.56 | onetinsoldier | xsdg: damn.. i'm still getting the ethernet driver messages on the console. oh well, thanks for trying. |
| 05:19.26 | helo | if i create a .forward file on an account that forwards mail to an address on a different server, does that different server need to think it is the final destination for whatever domain the message was originally addressed to? |
| 05:19.49 | mEck0 | how can I mount a shared folder with smb or cifs? I've tried with several guides but can't get it work :( |
| 05:19.58 | helo | ... or it will think someone is trying to relay to some unknown domain |
| 05:20.39 | adb | onetinsoldier: try bts , to see if it is a bug filed |
| 05:20.59 | onetinsoldier | mEck0: if there is a #Samba channel, i bet they'd know |
| 05:21.11 | mEck0 | onetinsoldier: thx |
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| 05:21.51 | xsdg | onetinsoldier: yeah, dunno then; sorry |
| 05:22.52 | onetinsoldier | adb: well, i am thinking it's intended. i haven't used linux in years. but years ago, i think it was with some 2.4.x kernel version this same thing started happening. as i recall, you had to compile something 'into' your kernel rather than as a module, or perhaps it was the other way around. can't remember... |
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| 05:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, restart syslogd? |
| 05:23.34 | onetinsoldier | i think it was one of the 'netfilter' options... |
| 05:24.18 | onetinsoldier | CutMeOwnThroat: yep.. then i thought i saw one of the messages again. so i thought for the heck of it.. i'd reboot, and i did. still getting them |
| 05:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | mEck0, with smb is actually not hard |
| 05:24.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | onetinsoldier, heh |
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| 05:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mEck0, use smbclient to connect if you're having problems - that gives you more options for finding out what's wrong (-d debuglevel comes to mind) |
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| 05:26.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | mEck0, when you then can access the drive, go back to smbmount and fstab entries |
| 05:27.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | mEck0, pretty often the problem is coming from your config on the windows-side, though... like having the accounts on a PDC, which complicates things |
| 05:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, off, homing |
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| 05:29.00 | mEck0 | CutMeOwnThroat: thx, will try with smbmount |
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| 05:29.04 | alkero | Hello. I have Debian Etch system with standard out-of-box PAM auth and a Dovecot imapd on it. I need PAM to successfully authentify a user "user" if he logs in as "user" or as "user@somedomain" or as "user@whateverelse", with same password, UID and home directory. How can I? |
| 05:29.04 | alkero | (done my googling homework already) |
| 05:29.07 | grendal_prime | damn it..whats the name of that console based session manager.... i use to use it to bounce stale loged in users |
| 05:29.18 | mEck0 | CutMeOwnThroat: though now I'm actually trying to mount from Mac OSX |
| 05:29.30 | helo | anyone happen to know where i can put a domain in courier-mta's config so it will relay messages sent to that domain? |
| 05:29.48 | helo | courier is such a pita... |
| 05:33.35 | onetinsoldier | grendal_prime: gems? |
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| 05:35.21 | onetinsoldier | grendal_prime: nvm, i don't think that would be it |
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| 05:39.35 | grendal_prime | whowatch that is it!!! |
| 05:39.40 | grendal_prime | badd ass program |
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| 05:42.13 | helo | is it possible for me to change the hostname of a system without rebooting? |
| 05:42.24 | helo | ... or anyone... heh |
| 05:42.38 | grendal_prime | helo: yes |
| 05:42.46 | mu-dev | man hostname |
| 05:42.47 | grendal_prime | look into the command "hostname" |
| 05:43.07 | grendal_prime | however, sometimes that can be a pain. |
| 05:43.25 | grendal_prime | especially when dealling with webservers and...well alot ofthings |
| 05:43.36 | grendal_prime | but you can still much things up as much as you want. |
| 05:44.37 | helo | awesome |
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| 05:44.56 | grendal_prime | ok now...using the 3g-ntfs driver...anyone what to take a stab at that...? |
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| 05:45.32 | grendal_prime | i just need to mount an ntfs drive...in newyork from clifornia..not a biggie really but the problem is..i cant find the syntax on how to use the damn thing. |
| 05:45.59 | grendal_prime | i thought it was just 3gmount /dev/hd1 /mnt/windows...but that seems to not work |
| 05:46.18 | mu-dev | you can change the name of your host, but if you have services running you might have to restart them and maybe reconfig too |
| 05:46.51 | grendal_prime | which is usually y its easyer to reboot the box. |
| 05:47.23 | grendal_prime | but...sometimes that beotch is in newyork and your in california..(just an example that rings true for me) |
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| 05:50.35 | stoned | hi |
| 05:50.40 | stoned | whats up with the people today? |
| 05:50.46 | wahnnfrieden | hi |
| 05:50.48 | wahnnfrieden | i am stoned |
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| 05:51.02 | grendal_prime | the people are having problems with sisterinlaws computers |
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| 05:51.20 | grendal_prime | that crazy beotch has messed up her laptop again |
| 05:51.31 | mu-dev | if inlaws were outlawed.... |
| 05:51.43 | mu-dev | only outlaws would have inlaws |
| 05:51.51 | grendal_prime | she is lucky that im nice, and shes good looking |
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| 05:52.00 | wahnnfrieden | who |
| 05:52.09 | helo | crap... if i have a helo@someserver.net and helo@otherserver.net, and want helo@someserver.net to be forwarded to helo@otherserver.net, i can put "helo@otherserver.net" in the helo@someserver.net .forward file, and configure otherserver.net to deliver mail addressed to someserver.net locally |
| 05:52.13 | grendal_prime | and that im smart. |
| 05:52.35 | helo | but then if i try to send an email from otherserver.net to any address at someserver.net, it tries to deliver it locally |
| 05:53.24 | grendal_prime | i installed a debian machine in the background on her machine, and partimaged her entire windows partion, (in working order) onto a hidden partion, so i can haver her boot into linux and i can restore her working windoes ..now i just have to get her infected data files back on to the windows partion. I need ntfs 3g working. |
| 05:53.49 | grendal_prime | wholy shit...i just rememberd we have a howto at work on this!!!!!!! |
| 05:53.57 | wahnnfrieden | is debian propot? |
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| 05:54.03 | helo | yes. |
| 05:54.11 | wahnnfrieden | have anyone programmed stoned? |
| 05:54.14 | wahnnfrieden | i find it unenjoyable |
| 05:54.16 | helo | yes. |
| 05:54.30 | wahnnfrieden | programming is better suited for adderall |
| 05:54.39 | wahnnfrieden | which is a slaughterhouse of body and mind |
| 05:55.01 | helo | yes. |
| 05:55.08 | wahnnfrieden | ah |
| 05:55.08 | wahnnfrieden | . |
| 05:55.13 | mu-dev | are there other words you speak? |
| 05:55.17 | helo | that doesn't mean it isn't fun or should be avoided :) |
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| 05:56.20 | wahnnfrieden | what |
| 05:56.21 | wahnnfrieden | adderall? |
| 05:56.31 | helo | no... |
| 05:56.49 | helo | debian is fully in favor of Plain Old Text files |
| 05:56.50 | wahnnfrieden | pot? |
| 05:57.00 | helo | i don't know what you're talking about... |
| 05:57.00 | wahnnfrieden | what about cannabia |
| 05:57.25 | helo | dpkg: cannabis |
| 05:57.26 | dpkg | cannabis is, like, the wonderful herb that the unfortunate americans can't worship. |
| 05:57.38 | wahnnfrieden | why |
| 05:57.44 | wahnnfrieden | it jut got decriminizalized in maassachusetts |
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| 05:58.42 | mEck0 | hi again! I just tried to mount the my shared folder (debian machine) from windows and it works! though not from mac osx, what can the problem be? |
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| 05:59.56 | wahnnfrieden | mEck0 Sorry I Cannot Help j00 |
| 06:00.27 | helo | how about that |
| 06:00.36 | helo | go MA |
| 06:01.28 | mEck0 | wahnnfrieden: no problem =) |
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| 06:08.33 | tCzern_tux | I need to install this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libstdc++6 |
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| 06:08.56 | tCzern_tux | how would I have to enter the repository address into synaptic package manager? |
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| 06:09.35 | buu | tCzern_tux: Good lord, why? |
| 06:09.52 | onetinsoldier | xsdg: you still here? |
| 06:10.23 | tCzern_tux | because I want to install linuxsampler |
| 06:10.27 | tCzern_tux | and it depends on it |
| 06:10.56 | buu | tCzern_tux: I'm fairly certain installing sid's libstdc++6 will hose your entire system. |
| 06:11.19 | tCzern_tux | so how can I get linuxsampler back to work? |
| 06:11.19 | scientes | i couldnt fixure out how to add a iso via apt-cdrom |
| 06:11.27 | buu | tCzern_tux: Assuming you're attempting to install it from the package manager, it sounds like the package is out of date. You might have better luck compiling the source |
| 06:11.31 | scientes | apt-cdrom only seems to work with actual cdroms |
| 06:11.36 | buu | Can you apt-get source $package ? |
| 06:11.48 | scientes | with honestly makes it much less usefull |
| 06:11.50 | buu | scientes: Did you mount the iso? |
| 06:11.55 | scientes | yes |
| 06:12.00 | buu | Did you try.. not mounting it? |
| 06:12.08 | tCzern_tux | ok, let me try, I am a bit confused and to new to linux |
| 06:12.11 | buu | As far as I know, there is literally no difference between them. |
| 06:12.30 | scientes | doesnt work at all that way, it will add it if its mounted but it wont work when you try to get something off it |
| 06:13.03 | tCzern_tux | what package? |
| 06:13.13 | tCzern_tux | I used Suse before ... |
| 06:13.21 | buu | tCzern_tux: linuxsampler |
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| 06:13.28 | tCzern_tux | ok |
| 06:13.45 | buu | scientes: What happens when you try? |
| 06:14.53 | tCzern_tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.59 | tCzern_tux | like tis? |
| 06:15.38 | buu | ... |
| 06:15.39 | buu | No. |
| 06:15.53 | buu | tCzern_tux: 'apt-get source linuxsampler' |
| 06:15.58 | buu | Remove the quotes. |
| 06:16.00 | scientes | buu, it says please insery disk lables <blahh in drive /cdrom/ |
| 06:16.51 | tCzern_tux | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 06:16.59 | tCzern_tux | shrugs |
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| 06:17.10 | buu | scientes: Did you try --no-mount and/or -d ? |
| 06:17.18 | scientes | yes -d |
| 06:17.35 | buu | How about the no mount? |
| 06:17.46 | buu | tCzern_tux: Ok, sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:18.06 | buu | tCzern_tux: You should see something like 'deb http:/...' |
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| 06:18.30 | tCzern_tux | I do, that's all the stuff I entered into the package manager |
| 06:18.37 | tCzern_tux | into the repo list |
| 06:19.01 | buu | tCzern_tux: ok, find one of the lines, copy it, and change the initial 'deb' to 'deb-src' |
| 06:19.06 | buu | I'm not sure how many lines you have. |
| 06:19.36 | tCzern_tux | 3 lines |
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| 06:20.11 | EarLy | i just purchased a dedicated server running Debian. i'm trying to connect to the VNC server i set up but i keep getting "connection refused". is it possible there's a firewall set up? if so how can i disable it? |
| 06:20.22 | buu | EarLy: A firewall where? |
| 06:20.32 | EarLy | on the dedicated server |
| 06:20.40 | buu | EarLy: That's pretty unlikely. |
| 06:20.51 | buu | EarLy: Have you tried a netstat -nlp |
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| 06:21.33 | helo | so that if the system receives a mail to foo@bar.com, and there is an entry like "foo@bar.com: joe", it will deliver the mail to foo@bar.com to local user joe? |
| 06:21.37 | buu | tCzern_tux: Sorry, could you either paste your sources.list file to a paste site or PM me it |
| 06:22.02 | EarLy | buu: http://pastebin.ca/1264153 |
| 06:22.04 | alkero | Hello. I have Debian Etch system with standard out-of-box PAM auth and a Dovecot imapd on it. I need PAM to successfully authentify a user "user" if he logs in as "user" or as "user@somedomain" or as "user@whateverelse", with same password, UID and home directory. How can I? |
| 06:22.04 | alkero | (done my googling homework already) |
| 06:22.12 | helo | can /etc/aliases left-hand-size have a full email address, or just local usernames? |
| 06:22.28 | buu | helo: I thought it was just a user name... |
| 06:22.30 | scientes | buu still doesnt work |
| 06:22.57 | buu | scientes: Dunno, sorry. All I can do is read the man page. |
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| 06:23.03 | scientes | ok |
| 06:23.14 | buu | EarLy: So, er, the only programs you have listening on the server are vsftpd and ssh |
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| 06:23.27 | scientes | if you look at sources.list the resultant line is allways the same and says nothing of where in the filesystem to look |
| 06:23.34 | scientes | so its probably a built-in limitation |
| 06:23.46 | wahnnfrieden | is DEBIAN LINUX ??? |
| 06:23.46 | scientes | a feature that should be added |
| 06:23.48 | buu | scientes: But, er, what path would it be built in to? |
| 06:23.52 | wahnnfrieden | OR IS LINUX debian> |
| 06:23.59 | buu | !ops |
| 06:23.59 | dpkg | well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:24.12 | buu | dpkg: ops wahnnfrieden |
| 06:24.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: buu complains about: wahnnfrieden |
| 06:24.20 | scientes | buu it just looks for a /dev/scdx or something i guess |
| 06:24.22 | alkero | It's Debian GNU/Linux |
| 06:24.39 | buu | scientes: That still seems extremely odd. Try stracing it and look for a dev call? |
| 06:24.41 | mhymn_ | buu: take it easy buddy, nothing happend yet |
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| 06:24.42 | tCzern_tux | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 06:24.53 | buu | mhymn_: He's been a problem in several other channels. Why wait? |
| 06:24.58 | EarLy | buu: so, any idea why i can't connect? |
| 06:25.02 | scientes | buu cat ur /etc/apt/sources.list with a cdrom added and its just cdrom:[dist cd] |
| 06:25.07 | buu | EarLy: Yes, your program isn't running |
| 06:25.15 | mhymn_ | buu: oh, didn't know that, sorry |
| 06:25.31 | EarLy | buu: A VNC server is already running as :1 |
| 06:25.32 | buu | scientes: Hrm. Maybe it scans fstab for cdrom type entries? |
| 06:25.38 | wahnnfrieden | buu? |
| 06:25.53 | scientes | buu yeah it does say it needs a correct fstab entry |
| 06:25.59 | buu | EarLy: Er, but nothing is listening on any port. |
| 06:26.13 | buu | EarLy: Wait, does sudo netstat -nlp show any different entries? |
| 06:26.23 | scientes | buu and it would via cdrom lables it seems |
| 06:26.24 | wahnnfrieden | EarLy: Er |
| 06:26.33 | EarLy | buu: i did sudo the first time |
| 06:26.54 | xsdg | buu: (random comment) I recognize you from #perl a couple years ago, I think |
| 06:26.57 | tCzern_tux | could you explain in layman terms what happend to my linuxsampler? |
| 06:27.06 | buu | xsdg: I am everywhere. |
| 06:27.09 | tCzern_tux | I feel like a blind cow looking for gras |
| 06:27.49 | buu | tCzern_tux: Debian uses binary packages, that is, compiled applications. This package was compiled against an older version of a crucial system library. You can't install this older version of the library because it would replace the one currently on your system and break everything else that is compiled against it. |
| 06:28.27 | buu | EarLy: Well, so, I doubt netstat is lying. It says two programs are listening for connections. Perhaps you need to pass some special flags or config options to vnc to get it to listen on a tcp port? |
| 06:28.34 | tCzern_tux | ok, I understand this. |
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| 06:28.59 | buu | tCzern_tux: As far as I know you should be able to just compile the package by yourself, thus using the version of the library you have installed. |
| 06:29.09 | EarLy | buu: maybe. can you help me with that? |
| 06:29.12 | xsdg | EarLy: what VNC server? |
| 06:29.27 | tCzern_tux | I compiled Ardour 2.7 myself, with all updates, and the latest version of Jack. So that basically ruinned my linuxsampler? |
| 06:29.27 | EarLy | xsdg: RealVNC |
| 06:29.28 | buu | EarLy: Only by reading the man page to you. |
| 06:29.50 | buu | tCzern_tux: No, libstdc++ is basic library that is always installed on linux. |
| 06:30.46 | tCzern_tux | so I acidently got a newer version of linuxsampler via an update I ran? |
| 06:30.48 | buu | tCzern_tux: The issue is the package in the repository is old and out dated. |
| 06:30.51 | xsdg | EarLy: err... is X running? |
| 06:31.00 | tCzern_tux | yes, I understood this one |
| 06:31.16 | buu | tCzern_tux: In other words, just download the source to linux sampler and compile it. |
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| 06:31.22 | tCzern_tux | aah |
| 06:31.39 | tCzern_tux | oohhh, some lamps went just on |
| 06:31.45 | tCzern_tux | thanks !! |
| 06:32.05 | EarLy | buu: could this be the problem? when i type "nano /etc/hosts" i get this. http://pastebin.ca/1264162 |
| 06:32.09 | buu | tCzern_tux: Adding a deb-src line to your sources.list file allows you to use the apt-get source command to download the source code for any package. |
| 06:32.19 | xsdg | EarLy: aah, actually, my mistake. looks like the default X config doesn't listen on localhost like I thought |
| 06:32.25 | buu | EarLy: .. no. |
| 06:32.33 | tCzern_tux | but how do I know where to get it? |
| 06:32.53 | buu | tCzern_tux: paste your sources.list file to http://erxz.com/pb/ |
| 06:33.10 | tCzern_tux | could I duplicate all the lines that I have and add the src ? |
| 06:33.11 | xsdg | EarLy: how much do you know about networking, and do you have time to learn a little more? |
| 06:33.19 | buu | tCzern_tux: Um. Maybe. I'm not really sure. |
| 06:33.49 | tCzern_tux | will try |
| 06:33.55 | buu | tCzern_tux: Try it and find out! Run apt-get update; after modifying the file. |
| 06:33.55 | Tapnzout | when we're talking about write() function, in regards to strace... how do you get the man page for that? |
| 06:34.00 | EarLy | xsdg: not much. i've set up VNC on 3 other servers with no problems. that's what made me think it was a firewall or something.. |
| 06:34.02 | Tapnzout | is it always man 5 write? or something.. |
| 06:34.07 | tCzern_tux | thanks again, you explained this very well |
| 06:34.13 | xsdg | Tapnzout: C functions are usually 2 |
| 06:34.13 | buu | tCzern_tux: man 2 write |
| 06:34.16 | buu | er |
| 06:34.19 | buu | Tapnzout: man 2 write |
| 06:34.30 | buu | Which oddly was the second number I guessed. |
| 06:34.35 | Tapnzout | No manual entry for write in section 2 |
| 06:34.42 | buu | Tapnzout: You don't have the write man pages installed. |
| 06:34.42 | xsdg | EarLy: I would check the config and (if it writes them) the log file |
| 06:34.47 | xsdg | Tapnzout: install manpages-dev |
| 06:34.50 | buu | Tapnzout: I suspect build-essential might pull them in, but I'm not sure. |
| 06:34.52 | buu | Or that! |
| 06:35.06 | Tapnzout | buu, already got that one.. that's why i was searching.. man -k write and didn't see it ... thanks guys! |
| 06:35.09 | Tapnzout | manpages-dev here we go |
| 06:35.24 | buu | EarLy: Nothing on the box is listening for connections. I'm not sure how else to phrase it. |
| 06:35.45 | buu | EarLy: You could use nc on the remote box to probe the port and bypass any potential firewalls. |
| 06:36.14 | EarLy | buu: how? |
| 06:36.23 | buu | nc 127.1 $PORT_NUMBER |
| 06:36.37 | Tapnzout | thank you guys, working now :) |
| 06:36.41 | xsdg | Tapnzout: np |
| 06:37.17 | EarLy | buu: no port[s] to connect to |
| 06:37.42 | buu | Yes, try specfying an actual port number instead of the variable I just made up. |
| 06:38.33 | xsdg | EarLy: does the server have a logfile? if so, I would suggest checking it. Also, if this works on other machines, I would `diff` the config file from a working machine with this one |
| 06:40.08 | grendal_prime | ok this is rediculas. |
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| 06:40.28 | grendal_prime | i have a completely updated etch system. i cannot get ntfs-3g to work.. |
| 06:40.37 | xsdg | grendal_prime: what doesn't work? |
| 06:41.10 | grendal_prime | im executing. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows |
| 06:41.40 | buu | Aaaaaaand? |
| 06:41.41 | grendal_prime | actualy here let me ..pastbin... |
| 06:42.25 | grendal_prime | i put it in flood... |
| 06:42.28 | grendal_prime | xsdg: that ok? |
| 06:42.36 | xsdg | grendal_prime: I'm not in #flood :o) |
| 06:42.36 | grendal_prime | or you want pastbin instead? |
| 06:42.41 | xsdg | pastebin would be better |
| 06:43.02 | EarLy | xsdg: my dedicated server has 2 IP's. 2 Nic's could that be causing this? |
| 06:43.37 | grendal_prime | here we go youll love this its an ubuntu bin |
| 06:43.38 | grendal_prime | http://paste.ubuntu.com/75546/ |
| 06:43.39 | cryptw | EarLy, paste your ifconfig |
| 06:43.55 | xsdg | EarLy: possibly; does the daemon know which one to listen on? |
| 06:43.59 | alkero | Hello. I have Debian Etch system with standard out-of-box PAM auth and a Dovecot imapd on it. I need PAM to successfully authentify a user "user" if he logs in as "user" or as "user@somedomain" or as "user@whateverelse", with same password, UID and home directory. How can I? |
| 06:43.59 | alkero | (done my googling homework already) |
| 06:44.33 | xsdg | alkero: I would suggest trying the dovecot ML |
| 06:44.34 | EarLy | xsdg: no clue. this is my first time using a server with 2 Nic's |
| 06:44.38 | grendal_prime | I need to mount that drive writeable I've restored a windows partion(wich i conviently stuck away in working order) and now i need to get there data back on the fkr. |
| 06:44.44 | tCzern_tux | thanks, will fiddle with this later |
| 06:44.45 | xsdg | grendal_prime: you need fuse |
| 06:44.57 | grendal_prime | ya...it says its installed |
| 06:45.05 | xsdg | grendal_prime: you don't have the kernel module installed |
| 06:45.20 | xsdg | grendal_prime: are you using a debian-provided kernel, or one you compiled yourself? |
| 06:45.40 | grendal_prime | debian provided |
| 06:45.54 | grendal_prime | module assistant? |
| 06:45.56 | xsdg | grendal_prime: ok; try `apt-cache search fuse module` |
| 06:46.09 | xsdg | grendal_prime: well, you could compile it with m-a also; "fuse" would probably do for that |
| 06:46.22 | xsdg | so, like, `m-a a-i fuse` or something |
| 06:46.24 | grendal_prime | now it does say i have fuse2 installed |
| 06:46.32 | RichiH | buu: tell me if he acts u again, please |
| 06:46.44 | xsdg | grendal_prime: try `depmod -a; modprobe -l '*fuse*'` |
| 06:46.47 | alkero | xsdg: thank you. i cam to conclusion it can't be done via dovecot, so i'm trying to do it via PAM |
| 06:46.48 | xsdg | (as root) |
| 06:47.06 | grendal_prime | aaaa i do see something about fuse source |
| 06:47.09 | grendal_prime | do i need that? |
| 06:47.29 | xsdg | grendal_prime: well, the source is used to build the module |
| 06:47.37 | xsdg | alkero: oh, that might be hard; I dunno |
| 06:47.44 | alkero | xsdg: btw, dovecot _can_ strip domain part foprm username, but then the stuff i try to set up does not work, it need a non-empty domain string |
| 06:47.58 | grendal_prime | right and when i apt-get it it wants to install module assistant as well. |
| 06:48.03 | xsdg | alkero: I'm really not sure; sorry |
| 06:48.03 | grendal_prime | ok i think i can get it now.. |
| 06:48.08 | xsdg | cool |
| 06:48.09 | grendal_prime | its all starting to make sence again |
| 06:48.15 | alkero | xsdg: nvm, ty anyway (: |
| 06:48.24 | xsdg | alkero: yup; good luck |
| 06:49.16 | grendal_prime | ive been spoiled rotten by ubuntu over the last 3 months |
| 06:49.52 | grendal_prime | all this stuff is already done in there kernels im sure. (i got a laptop with it preinstalled so i had to start using it) |
| 06:50.40 | grendal_prime | xsdg: i have to admit..i was very reluctant but the desktop is damn bulletproof |
| 06:51.14 | grendal_prime | and with the gldesktop running, it beats the shit out of the macbooks at work. |
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| 06:52.31 | xsdg | grendal_prime: ::nod:: |
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| 06:57.05 | votyakf | Hi, all! Does anybody know if weekly lenny are released? |
| 06:57.58 | grendal_prime | hey xsdg i got a problem..the kernel on this machine is a 2.6.8.6.686 |
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| 06:58.09 | grendal_prime | pretty damn old.. |
| 06:58.23 | votyakf | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-cd/ - are empty:(( |
| 06:58.37 | grendal_prime | im haveing a hard time with the source, i need to upgrade the kernel i think |
| 06:58.57 | grendal_prime | im a little confused why it didnt upgrade with i ran dist upgrade on it? |
| 06:59.17 | grendal_prime | werid |
| 07:05.06 | xsdg | grendal_prime: wait, 2.6.8? seriously? |
| 07:05.08 | xsdg | wow |
| 07:05.18 | grendal_prime | hey xsdg im installing 2.6.18 now correct me if im wrong, but i should not have to worry about the grub loader on this apt will adjust that accordingly correct? |
| 07:05.34 | xsdg | grendal_prime: if you're installing the package, then that is correct |
| 07:05.35 | grendal_prime | (the box is in newyork and im in california... |
| 07:05.56 | xsdg | grendal_prime: you may want to double-check the contents of menu.lst before rebooting |
| 07:06.06 | grendal_prime | i dont even like being in the same room with the person that owns this box..and i dont want to fly to new york to fix it. |
| 07:06.14 | grendal_prime | ok i can handle that. |
| 07:06.53 | grendal_prime | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 07:06.53 | grendal_prime | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 07:06.53 | grendal_prime | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 07:07.03 | grendal_prime | looks like it handled it..but ill check |
| 07:07.32 | EarLy | xsdg: so, any more suggestions? |
| 07:09.50 | EarLy | xsdg: i've tried to run rtorrent and it's not connection either.. |
| 07:09.58 | scientes | reportbug seems imcompadible with gmail, which notably uses STARTTLS (likely cause of failure) |
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| 07:21.05 | anobfuscator | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.41 | deadcat | what does it mean when i get dropped into (initramfs) during the live cd boot? |
| 07:26.13 | cryptw | anobfuscator,try fsck-ing the non-writable one |
| 07:26.47 | anobfuscator | cryptw: ok |
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| 07:28.04 | anobfuscator | nvm, I'm an idiot. I got it working. thanks |
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| 07:50.13 | deadcat | what does it mean when i get dropped into (initramfs) during the live cd boot? |
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| 07:57.51 | scientes_ | deadcat it means your root parameter in grub isnt correct |
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| 07:58.35 | scientes_ | deadcat switch it from a UUID to a /dev/sd<letter><number> |
| 08:00.48 | deadcat | scientes_: k |
| 08:01.10 | xsdg | EarLy: is it possible that it's running GRSec patches, or using SELinux or something like that? |
| 08:01.16 | deadcat | scientes: live cd? |
| 08:01.38 | scientes | deadcat usually process of elimination in grub |
| 08:01.49 | scientes | hit 'e' while in grub and you can edit the lines |
| 08:02.02 | scientes | and then when it works edit menu.1st immediately with what you did |
| 08:03.37 | scientes | /dev/sda0, 1, 2, 3, /dev/sdb0, 1, 2, 3 for however many hard drives you have only takes a minute or so, but yeah live cd works too but booting into it takes longer unless you have agazillion hds or parttions or something |
| 08:04.28 | scientes | wait yeah live cd, thats just for having moved hds |
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| 08:05.27 | deadcat | scientes: right. live cd. |
| 08:07.04 | deadcat | stupid usb hub thats f'ing it up. |
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| 08:08.46 | anddam | hello |
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| 08:09.07 | anddam | I've got ntp package installed and launched, shouldn't I have an ntpd process running? |
| 08:09.27 | valdyn | anddam: yes |
| 08:09.49 | anddam | I see the date is completely wrong atm, and no "ntpd" process. If I relaunch /etc/init.d/ntp the time is synced then it screws in a day or two |
| 08:10.06 | anddam | valdyn: where should I look at for log? |
| 08:10.20 | valdyn | anddam: program crashes are in /var/log/messages.2.gz |
| 08:10.21 | valdyn | anddam: program crashes are in /var/log/messages |
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| 08:13.49 | anddam | valdyn: I'm not sure this is good, last entry is Aug 23 |
| 08:14.38 | hifi | anyone know if in a ssh session you could scp a file from the remote machine to local inside the ssh session? you of course can do it from another local terminal by specifying the remote host with full file path |
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| 08:15.22 | xsdg | hifi: Look for "ControlMaster" as pertains to ssh |
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| 08:15.38 | hifi | yeah, I use it but I thought if I could scp without another terminal |
| 08:16.02 | anddam | how are logs managed? maybe I'm missing something |
| 08:16.03 | xsdg | aah. I don't think so, but I'm not sure |
| 08:16.12 | hifi | it would be interesting feature |
| 08:16.34 | hifi | many times I log into a remote machine and tar up bunch of data and then in another terminal scp it to my local machine |
| 08:17.02 | hifi | though it does support tab completion so it's not so bad |
| 08:17.40 | xsdg | hifi: I presume you can only pull files, rather than being able to push them from the remote machine? |
| 08:18.14 | hifi | might be |
| 08:18.39 | xsdg | well, if you can push, you could just run scp on the remote machine after tar finishes |
| 08:19.27 | hifi | ah, but my machine is behind a firewall/nat and it would still require another login or public key auth |
| 08:19.54 | xsdg | hifi: aah, yeah :o/ |
| 08:20.16 | hifi | but the tab completion of scp is a life saver for sure |
| 08:20.40 | hifi | I'd hate digging up the exact complete file path all the time |
| 08:21.36 | xsdg | hifi: if it were me, I'd have some script/alias/whatever that does the tar and then echoes the full path of the file |
| 08:21.53 | xsdg | hifi: then you could just copy/paste the name of the file to an scp command in another term |
| 08:22.00 | hifi | that too |
| 08:22.36 | hifi | thanks for your thoughts |
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| 08:32.21 | xsdg | hifi: np |
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| 08:37.02 | grendal_prime | hey xsdg: all is good with that box...im sending back 2.2 gigs of itunes and the ntfs mount is writing np..thanks for the help man |
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| 08:38.38 | anddam | anyone about the log question? |
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| 08:39.36 | xsdg | grendal_prime: cool; np |
| 08:40.09 | okirob | Anyone familiar with programing eeproms? |
| 08:40.20 | xsdg | anddam: logs are generally rotated by the "logrotate" package, which should be in the base install |
| 08:40.44 | xsdg | anddam: does /var/log/daemon.log exist? (if so, it should have any output from ntpd or ntpdate) |
| 08:41.18 | _anyone | no I'm not familier with eeproms |
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| 08:41.45 | okirob | _anyone: I see what you did there |
| 08:43.10 | xsdg | hha |
| 08:43.39 | okirob | I was just looking to recover from a bad bios flash and needed advice. |
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| 08:45.00 | xsdg | okirob: on older boards, I would just pull out the dip and replace it with another one. I don't know how BIOSen are packaged for modern motherboards, though |
| 08:46.12 | _anyone | BIOS on motherboard? |
| 08:46.26 | okirob | xdsg: thanks, unfortunately it is a laptop bios and not socketed. I realize it can be removed, but I would prefer not to remove it unless I have to. |
| 08:46.53 | xsdg | okirob: oh, laptop? ouch |
| 08:47.07 | xsdg | okirob: well, I don't know; sorry |
| 08:47.12 | _anyone | modern mainboard-BIOS should have some kind of recover function, ask the vendor first instead removing eeprom |
| 08:47.48 | okirob | the bios has such a feature and it reads in the bios, beeps once and then sits there... forever.... mocking me... :) |
| 08:47.52 | _anyone | and if it's removable, look for someone who has eeprom writer |
| 08:48.35 | okirob | I assume that once it reads the bios, it does a checksum then goes to write it and fails because the bios is locked. |
| 08:48.37 | anddam | xsdg: checking /var/log/daemon.log but I have to leave for a while |
| 08:48.39 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:48.43 | _anyone | if it's possible, everything you need is the eeprom and correct file to write on it (in theory) |
| 08:50.14 | okirob | _anyone: I actually have a friend who has an ancient eeprom burner but it doesnt support the plcc form factor |
| 08:50.41 | okirob | and by ancient I mean circa 1989 |
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| 08:51.40 | cryptw | i've seen older |
| 08:52.40 | okirob | lol, it is a prompro 8 if anyone was curious ;) |
| 08:53.07 | okirob | not even sure that I can convert my bios to a format the burner would understand, never mind the form factor difference |
| 08:53.32 | cryptw | your bios is screwed? |
| 08:53.36 | cryptw | just get a new one |
| 08:53.48 | cryptw | too much trouble to burn the eeprom |
| 08:53.48 | okirob | I suppose if I could convert wph to bin I could then convert bin to s19 |
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| 08:54.28 | okirob | cryptw: yeah, you are right. For the amount of time I spend on this I could have had a new once for <$40. |
| 08:55.29 | okirob | After hearing that some bios could be written, they just need to have a few pins jumped, I thought I would come here and see if anyone has ran in to something similar. |
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| 08:56.36 | cryptw | maybe everyone else categorised that into "can't be bothered" as well |
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| 08:57.29 | ziroday | Hi, I am trying to access cherokee-admin but it says that no command is found. What package is it under? |
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| 09:10.55 | mad_muppet | I am trying to get java working with iceweasel in my 64bit lenny .. I apt-get installed sun-java-jre --version java and got a response so I know its there then gone to iceweasel and made sure java is enabled but its not in the about:plugin window so any suggestions welcome |
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| 09:12.04 | Piper69 | hello |
| 09:12.07 | ziroday | Hi, is there a way to retrieve a file from sid if you're running etch? |
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| 09:12.15 | ziroday | a package I mean |
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| 09:12.27 | dondelelcaro | ziroday: packages.debian.org |
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| 09:12.42 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: hey; how goes? |
| 09:12.51 | ziroday | dondelelcaro: preferably using apt-get :) |
| 09:13.02 | troubled | !pinning |
| 09:13.02 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 09:13.10 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: hey; just busy as usual |
| 09:13.24 | dondelelcaro | ziroday: you can do it using apt-get, but it's quite a bit of work for just getting files out of a single package. |
| 09:13.26 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
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| 09:14.04 | ziroday | dondelelcaro: well I trying to get the latest cherokee packages from sid but I presume they would have quite a few dependencies |
| 09:14.51 | Piper69 | Hi, i was trying to add a second HDD to me etch box, and that went south, now when i boot i get "GRUB ERROR 15" , the only folder left is the "LOST+FOUND". i used UBCD and i saw all my files in there. is there is a way i can get my box to boot normal again |
| 09:15.04 | dondelelcaro | ziroday: you can't install the package directly to etch. You need to backport it. |
| 09:15.26 | ziroday | dondelelcaro: can I use apt pinning? |
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| 09:15.40 | dondelelcaro | ziroday: in some cases, yes, but only in the most trivial of cases. |
| 09:15.49 | troubled | ziroday: depends if the compile requirements depend on something not in etch or not |
| 09:15.55 | ziroday | dondelelcaro: darn, okay |
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| 09:16.16 | dondelelcaro | ziroday: if you don't know what those problems are, I suggest trying to find a backport, or making one yourself. /msg dpkg simple sid backport; for details. |
| 09:16.19 | troubled | dondelelcaro: *wave* btw |
| 09:16.25 | Eulex | ziroday, installing a package directly from sid with needed dependencies would in the worst case require almost an upgrade to sid. |
| 09:16.26 | dondelelcaro | troubled: have fun |
| 09:16.32 | troubled | always |
| 09:17.09 | ziroday | Eulex: dondelelcaro: okay thanks. How long does it usually take for a package to find itself from lenny to etch? |
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| 09:17.23 | dondelelcaro | ziroday: packages don't migrate from lenny to etch. |
| 09:17.25 | Eulex | ziroday, infinite time. |
| 09:17.34 | troubled | ziroday: lenny is frozen now |
| 09:17.47 | ziroday | ah okay |
| 09:17.49 | Piper69 | any help please, i really don;t want i reinstall the whole thing again |
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| 09:18.06 | troubled | ziroday: did you check backports.org for files? |
| 09:18.19 | ziroday | troubled: am looking now |
| 09:18.20 | Eulex | ziroday, instead, new versions of software come with new stable versions: the versions of packages in released stable versions are forever frozen in time; except for security updates. |
| 09:18.32 | ziroday | Eulex: okay |
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| 09:19.01 | ziroday | it appears there are no packages in backports.org |
| 09:19.05 | bkw | My kernels are compiled for x64 arch, but even if I've installed ia32-libs I cannot run 32bit binaries. /lib32/ld-2.3.6.so gives -bash: ./ld-2.3.6.so: cannot execute binary file |
| 09:19.14 | bkw | Do I need any specific support in my kernel? |
| 09:19.25 | Eulex | bkw, uname -ar? |
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| 09:19.55 | bkw | Linux host1 2.6.26.2 #1 SMP Thu Aug 28 11:33:08 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:21.29 | Eulex | so you have a custom compiled kernel, and I'd assume that you need to enable support to run 32-bit code. anyway, if you don't have any special need for a custom kernel, just go with a debian one. |
| 09:22.40 | Piper69 | is there is a way i can reterive a file from Lost+Found |
| 09:22.47 | bkw | Eulex: Do you know what options in kernel configuration that need to be enabled? |
| 09:23.08 | troubled | Piper69: are there any files in it? |
| 09:23.14 | Eulex | bkw, sorry, no, I have never compiled an amd64 kernel myself. |
| 09:23.47 | troubled | bkw: start with the options from the debian kernel and go from there |
| 09:24.19 | Piper69 | troubled: when i boot i get Grub ERROR 15, so i used a ubcd and all my files are basicly in the lost&found |
| 09:24.41 | troubled | Piper69: sounds like you had a fs problem then |
| 09:24.58 | Piper69 | troubled: yes i did |
| 09:25.22 | Piper69 | troubled: i was messing with cfdisk , trying to add another HDD |
| 09:25.29 | troubled | heh |
| 09:25.35 | Piper69 | :) |
| 09:25.41 | sladi | mad_muppet: you need the java browser plugin |
| 09:25.42 | troubled | format and reinstall |
| 09:26.06 | Piper69 | troubled: is that final |
| 09:26.21 | troubled | if you need your files back, consult a recovery expert or find something online to purchase that can try to fix problems. But if its already in lost+found, you probably already killed it |
| 09:26.28 | mad_muppet | sladi:sun-java6-plugin? |
| 09:26.43 | sladi | mad_muppet: jre is different, maybe the plugin depends on it. I'd deinstall jre and install icedtea plugin since iirc there is still no 64bit java plugin |
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| 09:27.13 | Piper69 | troubled: cool , thanks man for all the help |
| 09:27.24 | sladi | mad_muppet: well i think there is no 64bit version of that. the gnu version might work for you, icedtea plugin iirc |
| 09:27.48 | mad_muppet | sladi: thanks for the help Ill look it up .. |
| 09:27.55 | sladi | mad_muppet: NP :) |
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| 09:32.48 | pen | hi |
| 09:32.51 | pen | I'm using xmonad |
| 09:32.57 | sladi | bg |
| 09:32.58 | pen | how can I set the background up? |
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| 09:34.50 | pen | hello? |
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| 09:38.11 | pen | anyone know how to set background in xmonad? |
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| 09:39.16 | anddam | xsdg: /var/log/daemon.log exists and it's last modified Aug 23 too |
| 09:39.31 | anddam | logrotate is installed |
| 09:40.33 | anddam | is there a system preference for log level? |
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| 09:43.22 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:44.43 | pen | Agiofws: do you know how to set background image in xmonad? |
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| 09:45.19 | Agiofws | nope |
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| 09:47.48 | spx2 | is the old bbs still working ? |
| 09:47.53 | spx2 | I found this qterm thing... |
| 09:47.57 | spx2 | that's supposed to access it |
| 09:48.07 | spx2 | but it's in japanese/asian stuff that I don't understand |
| 09:48.09 | spx2 | or usenet ? |
| 09:48.13 | spx2 | what are these ? |
| 09:48.39 | cryptw | what are you looking for? |
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| 09:48.58 | spx2 | cryptw: accessing bbs or usenet |
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| 09:52.46 | anddam | spx2: and where is the problem? |
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| 10:02.18 | anddam | sanjuro: |
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| 10:04.23 | xbj_A21m | hi I'm having a problem with the Fn keys on my thinkpad |
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| 10:04.57 | xbj_A21m | the sleep.sh and hibernate.sh scripts always work, but sometimes the Fn combos stop working after several hours |
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| 10:07.06 | bkw | Eulex: IA32 Emulation seem to be what was missing. |
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| 10:08.47 | Eulex | bkw, yes, that would be it. |
| 10:09.23 | Eulex | bkw, ia32 is the name of the 32-bit intel arch |
| 10:09.46 | Zvpun | I have bougth an external USB harddrive which is already NTFS mounted. I want to use it primarily for backup of my ext3 /home. I want recommendation on wheter to create an ext3 partition on the external drive or not. I think creating a new partition makes things complicated but I dont know howto backup onto ntfs. Maybe there is no problem, I am just not very experienced. |
| 10:10.31 | anddam | guys any hint about my logging problem? /var/log/messages and a couple other files in /var/log where last updated in august |
| 10:11.39 | anddam | I think I've changed something in loglevel |
| 10:11.45 | anddam | but can't really recall |
| 10:12.54 | xbj_A21m | Zvpun I would advise you to use FAT format if you want good compatibiltity between linux and windows systems |
| 10:12.59 | Eulex | anddam, check /etc/syslog.conf |
| 10:13.46 | Eulex | Zvpun, linux doesn't write to ntfs by default, you need to use ntfs-3g if you want it |
| 10:13.48 | Eulex | !ntfs-3g |
| 10:13.48 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 10:15.07 | xbj_A21m | yes ntfs-3g and ntfs support is supposed to be pretty good these days but fat has had better cross-compatibility for a lot longer as far as I know |
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| 10:16.44 | anddam | Eulex: I can see a "catch-all" entry for /var/log/messages |
| 10:17.05 | anddam | Eulex: is there a init.d that I should check ? |
| 10:18.01 | xbj_A21m | any ideas on why my Fn keys die out? |
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| 10:18.23 | anddam | Eulex: sysklogd ? |
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| 10:19.30 | Eulex | anddam, yes. |
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| 10:20.38 | anddam | Eulex: it's running tho' |
| 10:20.52 | Eulex | could try restarting it |
| 10:21.01 | EarLy | can anyone help me get vncserver running? i've started it but when i type "netstat -nlp" it's not listening.. |
| 10:21.04 | Zvpun | are ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g 2 different things? Do they both provide a ntfs driver? Is one better than the other? |
| 10:21.19 | anddam | alrady done, the point is I'd like to see some hints for ntpd crashing but I found my logging isn't so active as it should.. |
| 10:22.15 | Eulex | Zvpun, ntfsprogs are utilities for use with ntfs partitions, ntfs-3g is an ntfs driver. |
| 10:23.07 | anddam | Zvpun: apt-cache show |
| 10:23.11 | Zvpun | Eulex: I read that ntfsprogs contains ntfsmount which uses FUSE to mount ntfs |
| 10:23.45 | anddam | Zvpun: so ntfsprogs will probably rely onto the ntfsdriver |
| 10:24.03 | anddam | Depends: fuse-utils (>> 2.5.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfuse2 (>= 2.6), libntfs10 (>= 2.0.0), |
| 10:24.06 | Eulex | Zvpun, that would just be a helper program, you can mount partitions with ntfs-3g with just mount. |
| 10:25.00 | Eulex | anddam, would likely use ntfs-3g if it is available, otherwise the in-kernel ntfs driver |
| 10:25.41 | Zvpun | Thank you for your help |
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| 10:26.35 | anddam | I wonder wth happened on Aug 23th |
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| 10:27.57 | Derak24 | is alsa broken in testing now? |
| 10:28.19 | gener1c | nope |
| 10:28.22 | gener1c | mine works |
| 10:28.28 | Eulex | works very well I'd say |
| 10:28.38 | Derak24 | :( |
| 10:28.51 | Derak24 | i just upgraded from stable and now my sound card wont work lol |
| 10:28.59 | xbj_A21m | do you have an odd sound chip? |
| 10:29.01 | pen | Derak24: sid? |
| 10:29.03 | Derak24 | yes |
| 10:29.04 | Eulex | define 'won't work' |
| 10:29.07 | Derak24 | well |
| 10:29.11 | pen | Derak24: alsa? |
| 10:29.21 | Derak24 | i dunno it just wont work lol,i didnt change anything at all |
| 10:29.27 | xbj_A21m | sometimes debian removes support, they stopped supplying drivers for mine due to legal reasons |
| 10:29.33 | Derak24 | ah i see |
| 10:29.33 | xbj_A21m | alsa that is' |
| 10:29.36 | Derak24 | mine is pretty old |
| 10:29.39 | Derak24 | my sound card |
| 10:30.05 | Derak24 | i dunno |
| 10:30.06 | Derak24 | lol |
| 10:30.17 | xbj_A21m | if that is the case, then you can just get the stuff from the alsa webpage |
| 10:30.31 | ziroday | Hi, I keep getting this error http://pastebin.com/m78d4594e when trying to remove cherokee |
| 10:30.38 | pen | I install debian lenny then upgrade to sid |
| 10:30.44 | pen | I don't know if I'm using alsa or not |
| 10:30.48 | anddam | Eulex: seems I don't really need ntp, just ntpdate |
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| 10:31.49 | Eulex | Derak24, what sound card? |
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| 10:33.29 | jelly-home | ziroday: use the init script to try to stop it; kill the remaining cherokee processes manually; start the service again, then try removing the package again |
| 10:33.47 | ziroday | jelly-home: tried that, want me to do it again? |
| 10:33.49 | Derak24 | Eulex: Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1988 Allegro-1 (rev 10) |
| 10:34.29 | Eulex | Derak24, at least it seems to be PCI then :) |
| 10:34.45 | Derak24 | xD |
| 10:35.08 | ziroday | jelly-home: didn't work. Any other ideas? |
| 10:35.17 | Eulex | Derak24, my concern is legitimate, I had enormous problems with an ISA card in an old laptop. anyway, you could try running alsaconf. |
| 10:35.17 | Derak24 | i had my computer set up so perfectly for years now,im totallt lost now i lol |
| 10:35.27 | Derak24 | i did |
| 10:35.28 | Derak24 | it says |
| 10:35.55 | Derak24 | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 10:35.55 | Derak24 | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1497: No soundcards found... |
| 10:36.10 | jelly-home | ziroday: what didn't work? did you verify the processes were dead after killing them? did the pid file get synced to the running process after you started it again? |
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| 10:36.41 | Eulex | Derak24, does it come as far so that it is looking for sound cards? |
| 10:36.56 | Piper69 | i am installing etch and it is stuck at 5% for almost 30 min now |
| 10:37.05 | ziroday | jelly-home: I stop it using the /etc/init.d script, then did ps ax | grep cherokee, no process were found. Then restarted it with /etc/init.d/cherokee start and then did apt-get remove cherokee. Same error as before |
| 10:37.14 | Derak24 | ya it does that,and it says its writing to modprobe.d then it fails |
| 10:37.29 | Eulex | Derak24, so it finds the sound card? |
| 10:37.38 | Derak24 | yep |
| 10:37.52 | Eulex | Piper69, take a look at the other ttys |
| 10:38.02 | Derak24 | i dunno what the prob is :(,i have the same exact setup as i did before i upgraded |
| 10:38.09 | Derak24 | i changed nothing |
| 10:38.10 | Derak24 | lol |
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| 10:38.15 | Piper69 | Eulex: how? |
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| 10:38.55 | Eulex | pipeline, alt-f1, alt-f2, etc. one will contain output from the currently running command. |
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| 10:39.57 | Derak24 | Eulex: I checked my dmesg and it says [ 10.220720] snd_maestro3: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ac97_resume |
| 10:39.57 | Derak24 | [ 10.220786] snd_maestro3: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_resume |
| 10:39.57 | Derak24 | [ 10.221086] snd_maestro3: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ac97_mixer |
| 10:39.57 | Derak24 | [ 10.221146] snd_maestro3: Unknown symbol snd_ac97_mixer |
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| 10:39.59 | ziroday | jelly-home: anything else I can clarify? |
| 10:40.11 | jelly-home | ziroday: oh well. what if you stop it beforehand, kill off the processes and remove the pid file? |
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| 10:40.26 | ziroday | jelly-home: remove the PID file? |
| 10:40.31 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 10:40.33 | EarLy | can anyone help me get vncserver running? i've started it but when i type "netstat -nlp" it's not listening.. |
| 10:40.38 | Eulex | Derak24, uname -ar? |
| 10:40.52 | Eulex | Derak24, also, for pastes longer than one line, please use a pastebin |
| 10:41.04 | jelly-home | ziroday: it'll be in /var/run/cherokee.pid or similar; check the init script |
| 10:41.06 | Derak24 | my bad :P |
| 10:41.09 | ziroday | jelly-home: okay |
| 10:41.13 | Derak24 | Eulex: Linux amd64 2.6.26-1-486 |
| 10:41.58 | ziroday | jelly-home: so just rm it? |
| 10:42.01 | jelly-home | yes |
| 10:42.07 | Eulex | Derak24, did you compile or install any kernel module manually? |
| 10:42.13 | ziroday | jelly-home: the file doesn't exist |
| 10:42.14 | Derak24 | nope |
| 10:42.37 | Piper69 | Eulex: alt-f4 is saying to continue enter "yes"; to abort, enter"no" , i choose Yes but nothing happen |
| 10:42.38 | jelly-home | ziroday: what's the actual path to the pid file? |
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| 10:42.50 | ziroday | jelly: the path you described above |
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| 10:43.05 | Eulex | Piper69, continue what, abort what? |
| 10:43.41 | ziroday | jelly-home: however when doing /etc/init.d/start the file doesn't appear |
| 10:44.12 | Piper69 | Eulex: Do you want to ignore this warning and process any way |
| 10:44.12 | jelly-home | ziroday: oh well. everything else failing, you can just comment out the "update-rc.d cherokee stop" and/or "/etc/init.d/cherokee stop" from the prerm script: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.prerm |
| 10:44.30 | Piper69 | Eulex: but i don't see any warnings |
| 10:44.32 | Eulex | Derak24, if that's the case, there could be a bug in that kernel. try re-installing it to make sure. |
| 10:44.47 | Derak24 | Eulex: sure thing thx :) |
| 10:44.50 | Eulex | Piper69, hmm, ok. what do you mean by 'nothing happens'? |
| 10:45.07 | Eulex | Derak24, apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
| 10:45.29 | Piper69 | Eulex: cursor blinking but no prompt |
| 10:45.31 | ziroday | jelly-home: shall do so now, thanks! |
| 10:45.51 | jelly-home | ziroday: this is definitely a bug in the package that ought to be fixed; if you have time, please file it in the bug tracking system |
| 10:45.54 | Eulex | pipeline, no text came out? you were just sent to the next line? |
| 10:46.12 | Piper69 | Eulex: yes sir |
| 10:46.22 | Eulex | ah, sorry pipeline |
| 10:46.33 | ziroday | jelly-home: commenting out that area worked, shall file the bug. Thanks for you help once again :) |
| 10:46.48 | Eulex | Derak24, you're not using alsa-source to build your own alsa modules, right? |
| 10:47.08 | Derak24 | no |
| 10:47.14 | Derak24 | i tried that too tho |
| 10:47.17 | Derak24 | didnt work :( |
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| 10:47.50 | Eulex | Derak24, might have overwritten your kernel modules. please try reinstalling your kernel... |
| 10:48.27 | Derak24 | Eulex: i tried that as a last resort |
| 10:48.29 | Derak24 | lol |
| 10:48.49 | Eulex | Derak24, you might have had another error before you did that. |
| 10:48.54 | Piper69 | Eulex: what do you think i should do |
| 10:49.38 | Eulex | Piper69, I don't know. can you scroll up? (shift-pgup) |
| 10:50.06 | Piper69 | Eulex: not working |
| 10:50.45 | Eulex | Piper69, what is on that your screen currently? |
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| 10:52.36 | Piper69 | the line right above where it was asking me if i want to ignore the warning is " NOV 21 14:28:03 in-target: libgdl-1-common libgg0 mawk libfaad0 liba52-0.7.4 gnome-vfs-obexftp" |
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| 10:52.50 | Eulex | Piper69, you could try pressing ctrl-c. use it as a last resort, however, as we have no idea what you are quitting... |
| 10:53.20 | wp | hi, im having a weird issue in using ssh <box> <command> (the enter key stops working); when i ssh to <box> and issue the command the enter key is working fine; any idea what this could be? |
| 10:53.21 | Eulex | Piper69, if you press some keys and enter, for example y<enter>, what happens |
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| 10:54.14 | Piper69 | Eulex: nothing ,just a blank line |
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| 10:56.46 | Eulex | Piper69, try pressing ctrl-c then. the packages it mentions above are non-essential none the less, so if some stuff fails installing now you can install them later anyway. |
| 10:56.47 | Piper69 | Eulex: in a different tty , at the prompt i did ps -ef and the last line is root 22588 S aptitude -o APT::Status-Fd=4 -o APT::Keep-Fds=5 -o |
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| 10:57.17 | spx2 | anddam: that I don't know a good client application for bbs or usenet that will not require me to learn a new language |
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| 11:00.06 | TiMiDo | hey how do i enable php for my apache server? |
| 11:00.17 | anddam | TiMiDo: check httpd.conf |
| 11:00.41 | TiMiDo | anddam, hmmm what part though? |
| 11:00.46 | Piper69 | Eulex: nothing |
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| 11:01.17 | acemi | TiMiDo: did you install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 11:01.35 | TiMiDo | Package libapache-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:01.54 | Eulex | Piper69, nothing happens? |
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| 11:02.24 | Eulex | it does not respond to ctrl-c? |
| 11:02.40 | TiMiDo | acemi, are you sure tha the correct name for the package? |
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| 11:03.06 | acemi | maybe it's libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:03.13 | TiMiDo | ace2001ac3, libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:03.14 | acemi | for lenny |
| 11:03.15 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 11:03.16 | TiMiDo | ;X |
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| 11:03.49 | Eulex | TiMiDo, libapache2-mod-php5 would be a php5 module for apache _1.3.x_ |
| 11:04.02 | TiMiDo | Eulex, for apache 1.3? |
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| 11:04.05 | TiMiDo | not the apache2? |
| 11:04.10 | Piper69 | Eulex: it did,init: '/usr/bin/tail -f /var/logs/syslog' pid 1447 exited. scheduling it for a restart |
| 11:04.10 | Eulex | oh wait |
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| 11:04.11 | Eulex | sorry |
| 11:04.22 | Eulex | TiMiDo, I mean of course libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 11:04.29 | Derak24 | n |
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| 11:05.05 | TiMiDo | Eulex, for example when i try to open a php file it just ask me if i want to open it or download it? |
| 11:05.07 | Eulex | Piper69, oh, hmm, it would seem that console input do not go to the process currently visible |
| 11:05.08 | TiMiDo | how come though? |
| 11:05.29 | Eulex | TiMiDo, then you need to install libapache2-mod-php5 (if you're using apache2) :) |
| 11:05.49 | TiMiDo | i did Eulex |
| 11:05.59 | Eulex | did you restart apache2 afterwards? |
| 11:06.07 | anddam | Eulex: ah maybe I found it, the timeserver I was using changed domain name |
| 11:06.21 | TiMiDo | yes i did Eulex |
| 11:06.26 | Eulex | Piper69, how far has the installation come |
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| 11:06.33 | Eulex | TiMiDo, how did you do that? |
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| 11:06.40 | acemi | TiMiDo: did you restart apache |
| 11:07.03 | Derak24 | Eulex: dmesg is saying this now for my sound card Maestro3: probe of 0000:01:05.0 failed with error -2 |
| 11:07.09 | Piper69 | Eulex: it is still stuck @ 5% of the Select and install software screen |
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| 11:08.12 | Piper69 | Eulex: should i reinstall |
| 11:08.34 | Eulex | Derak24, at least your kernel module is remotely working now. did you look at the alsa-projects link I sent? |
| 11:08.42 | TiMiDo | yeah i did restart apache acemi |
| 11:08.45 | Eulex | Piper69, has it installed your base system already? |
| 11:08.57 | Derak24 | Eulex: ya still checkin that out thx |
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| 11:09.04 | Piper69 | Eulex: yes |
| 11:09.40 | Eulex | Piper69, aptitude was running and installing packages now? you could try killing it and continue installation of optional packages after the installation. |
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| 11:09.47 | TiMiDo | Eulex, can you actually see it? http://l174.186.118.122/123Flash/root/ |
| 11:10.04 | Naraidor | mm.. quick check. If mysql db is dumped via command line with command mysqldump, can it be restored via phpmyadmin? |
| 11:10.15 | Eulex | TiMiDo, http://174.186.118.122/123Flash/root/? does not respond |
| 11:10.28 | TiMiDo | http://74.186.118.122/123Flash/root/ |
| 11:10.39 | Eulex | TiMiDo, works. |
| 11:10.46 | TiMiDo | what do you see? |
| 11:10.52 | Eulex | a directory listing |
| 11:10.59 | TiMiDo | open up 123flashchat.ph |
| 11:11.00 | TiMiDo | p |
| 11:11.04 | Eulex | Naraidor, iirc mysql dumps are dumped to sql commands, that you can run in phpmyadmin then |
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| 11:11.28 | Eulex | TiMiDo, right, it asks whether I want to download it. |
| 11:11.46 | Eulex | Naraidor, and iirc you can tell phpmyadmin to run a file full of sql commands |
| 11:11.52 | Naraidor | ok |
| 11:11.55 | Naraidor | yeah |
| 11:12.03 | EarLy | i purchased a dedicated server with 2 Nic's running debian. how do i switch to the other Nic? |
| 11:12.19 | TiMiDo | Eulex, can you give me any tips on how to enable the php |
| 11:12.25 | Piper69 | Eulex: as soon as i killed aptuide , and went back to tty1(alt-f1) IT IS PROMPTING ME for Grub installation |
| 11:12.27 | Piper69 | :) |
| 11:12.44 | Piper69 | :( |
| 11:13.13 | Piper69 | oh no it was saying grub pkg faild to install |
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| 11:13.47 | Eulex | TiMiDo, sorry, no idea, it has 'just worked' for me |
| 11:14.00 | TiMiDo | Eulex, what did you do? |
| 11:14.03 | Eulex | Piper69, ah, that would be nasty... |
| 11:14.49 | Eulex | TiMiDo, I just installed that package. |
| 11:14.59 | TiMiDo | which package? |
| 11:15.11 | Piper69 | Eulex: it say "The grub package failed to install into /target/ ??!!! |
| 11:15.42 | Eulex | TiMiDo, the php5 module for apache2 package, libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 11:16.00 | TiMiDo | yeah i have it |
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| 11:16.41 | Eulex | Piper69, does it give you any choices that could recover the situation? otherwise I'd suggest starting over with the installation... |
| 11:18.03 | Piper69 | Eulex: nah, i got it to work, and thank t o you for all the help and tips. i was choosing to network mirror opt when i shouldn't |
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| 11:18.17 | Piper69 | Eulex: installation is complete now :) |
| 11:18.34 | Eulex | Piper69, yay. |
| 11:23.20 | Piper69 | Eulex: swwwweeeet its working, but as a standars system, very basic, it did apt-get update and it is complain about public key |
| 11:24.03 | Piper69 | Eulex: is that due to backdoors |
| 11:24.09 | Piper69 | *backports |
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| 11:24.37 | Eulex | Piper69, if you're using backports, you may want to tell apt about the keys for it. |
| 11:24.51 | Eulex | Piper69, otherwise, just having debian-archive-keyring installed should do the trick |
| 11:25.12 | Piper69 | Eulex: i am not using anything |
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| 11:25.26 | invasion323 | ciao |
| 11:25.28 | Eulex | Piper69, anyway, as package installations were interrupted, you should run apt-get -f install to see what it says; you might have some broken packages |
| 11:25.32 | invasion323 | buon giorno |
| 11:25.38 | invasion323 | !list |
| 11:25.39 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to invasion323 |
| 11:25.45 | Eulex | Piper69, then check that you've got that package installed. |
| 11:25.51 | Eulex | !it |
| 11:25.51 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:26.33 | Piper69 | Eulex: nothing is broken |
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| 11:27.36 | Eulex | Piper69, that's good. you can continue installation of whatever more you wanted to install with aptitude, apt-get or tasksel. |
| 11:28.45 | Piper69 | Eulex: just need help to setup the backports |
| 11:28.57 | Piper69 | or that public key |
| 11:28.59 | Eulex | Piper69, backports.org has excellent instructions. |
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| 11:30.03 | Piper69 | Eulex: got it , thanks again |
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| 11:32.17 | dutchfish | hi guys, funny question, what happened to libvirt-bin, i can search/show info but not install with aptitude, any idee? |
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| 11:34.45 | mike1o | hi huys I'm following these two guides in order to install debian on my new laptop... http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne & http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html |
| 11:35.15 | Lagbolt | mike1o, yeah? |
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| 11:35.48 | mike1o | the question is I created a new fat16 partition on my usb... but I when I mount dmesg says "Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb1" |
| 11:35.49 | dutchfish | according to http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/libvirt-bin it shoul dbe there in the repos? |
| 11:36.13 | CuBe0wL | anothr package related question: I have an ancient printer, a canon i250. acording to a guide, it needs libgdk1.2 package |
| 11:36.22 | CuBe0wL | but that's not avaible |
| 11:36.37 | CuBe0wL | is libgdk-pixbuf2 equivalent to it? |
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| 11:36.51 | CuBe0wL | btw hi all :D |
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| 11:37.52 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL, did you try ia32-libs? is this 32 bit system? |
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| 11:38.06 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, yes |
| 11:38.19 | Lagbolt | mike1o, fat16 on the usb? to make the installer |
| 11:38.20 | Lagbolt | ? |
| 11:38.43 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, I haven't installed the package yet (libgdk-pixbuf2), neither got to the end of the guide |
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| 11:38.55 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL, then maybe libgtk1.2 |
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| 11:39.01 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, so I dunno that the printer will work wo that package or not :D |
| 11:39.02 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL, not sure |
| 11:39.10 | mike1o | Lagbolt, I need to boot the installer in order to install deb on my new cdless laptop |
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| 11:39.18 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL, i use only 64bit these days |
| 11:39.18 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, libgtk1.2 is installed |
| 11:39.33 | mike1o | Lagbolt, I tried both fat16 and fat32 |
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| 11:39.44 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, anyway, I'll try to continue, and if you're interested, I can tell if wether it's workign or not D: |
| 11:39.45 | CuBe0wL | :D |
| 11:40.05 | Lagbolt | mike1o, so you are not doing it the "easy way"? |
| 11:40.09 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL, thanks, but i am fine |
| 11:40.19 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, just as I thought :P |
| 11:40.26 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL, thnak you |
| 11:40.40 | mike1o | Lagbolt, of course I am :-) |
| 11:40.43 | dutchfish | s/thnak/thank |
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| 11:42.34 | dutchfish | Or should i compile libvirt-bin myself out of libvirt source package in lenny? i am confused |
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| 11:42.51 | Lagbolt | mike1o, so you did the zcat and you are getting the error when you mount it? maybe a little insight into exactly what you did would help |
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| 11:45.24 | mike1o | Lagbolt, I did exactly that |
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| 11:47.34 | dutchfish | mike1o, did you actually check that this is a fat partition? |
| 11:48.08 | mike1o | dutchfish, I created the fat16 partition myself... now retrying without dos formatting |
| 11:48.57 | mike1o | dutchfish, Lagbolt keeps saying "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1" when I try to moung |
| 11:49.03 | mike1o | s/moung/mount |
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| 11:49.37 | Lagbolt | mike1o, what exactly did you do? |
| 11:50.09 | Lagbolt | mike1o, did the mkdosfs command work without error? |
| 11:50.27 | dutchfish | mike1o, what happens when you try mount with: mount -t msdos /dev/hdx /c |
| 11:50.30 | mike1o | Lagbolt, I wrote a new partition table... I created a new fat16 partion (primary on it), then I did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb |
| 11:50.53 | mike1o | dutchfish, same thins |
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| 11:51.24 | mike1o | Lagbolt, I though that the boot image already is in dos format so there was no need to dos format the partition |
| 11:51.30 | Lagbolt | mike1o, can you mount the partition before you zcat to it? after the mkdosfs the filesystem should be mountable. maybe the image you are catting to it is corrupt? |
| 11:51.31 | dutchfish | mike1o, maube your boot.img.gz was corrupted (had thta one smyself) |
| 11:51.39 | mike1o | Lagbolt, yup |
| 11:52.00 | mike1o | ok then I ll try the hard way now :-) |
| 11:52.04 | Lagbolt | yup what? |
| 11:52.09 | Lagbolt | yup you can mount it? |
| 11:52.13 | mike1o | Lagbolt, yup I can mount it |
| 11:52.21 | Lagbolt | so after zcat you cant mount it? |
| 11:52.28 | mike1o | exactly |
| 11:52.32 | Lagbolt | then i would try the flexible way |
| 11:52.33 | mike1o | it must be that |
| 11:52.45 | mike1o | what about the kernel version issue |
| 11:53.02 | dutchfish | mike1o, use after the zcat: & sync & sync (tip) |
| 11:53.03 | mike1o | I must coincide with the iso version right? |
| 11:53.33 | mike1o | dutchfish, after the dos formatting u mean? |
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| 11:53.55 | dutchfish | mike1o, no, after you dumped it to file |
| 11:54.40 | dutchfish | mike1o, man sync for why |
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| 11:55.35 | jelly-home | dutchfish: what's with all the backgrounding |
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| 11:56.37 | dutchfish | jelly-home, piped dumps are not always immediately written out to disk |
| 11:57.04 | dutchfish | jelly-home, specially from/to usb sticks |
| 11:57.18 | jelly-home | all right, but why the use of single "&"? A typo? |
| 11:57.39 | dutchfish | jelly-home, you are right with that, should be && |
| 11:57.52 | dutchfish | feels a bit rusty |
| 11:58.33 | dutchfish | jelly-home funny question, what happened to libvirt-bin, i can search/show info but not install with aptitude, any idee? |
| 11:58.49 | dutchfish | jelly-home according to http://packages.debian.org/nl/lenny/libvirt-bin it shoul dbe there in the repos? |
| 11:58.57 | jelly-home | I have no idea |
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| 11:59.46 | jelly-home | dutchfish: apt-cache policy libvirt-bin should show you available versions |
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| 12:00.31 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yep, Kandidaat: 0.4.4-3 but it sint there (at least now) |
| 12:01.08 | dutchfish | s/sint/isnt |
| 12:01.34 | jelly-home | aptitude will say why it's unable to install |
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| 12:02.07 | jelly-home | !errors |
| 12:02.07 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 12:02.14 | dutchfish | jelly-home, now it is there, funny, thanks |
| 12:02.31 | dutchfish | jelly-home, probably mirror was out of sync |
| 12:03.34 | jelly-home | if the mirror name resolves to multiple ip addresses, one of them might be unsynced and you got a better one now |
| 12:04.02 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes, possible too |
| 12:04.19 | dutchfish | jelly-home, it was indeed a pool |
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| 12:04.45 | jelly-home | something stinky in that pool |
| 12:05.09 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes ;) |
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| 12:05.54 | kharloss | hi there. anyone use GNUPanel as hosting interface ? |
| 12:05.56 | mike1o | dutchfish, from the man page I can't understand what options I can use... should I do "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb & sync & sync" ? |
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| 12:07.01 | dutchfish | mike1o, zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb && sync && sync |
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| 12:07.27 | mike1o | dutchfish, oh ok |
| 12:07.28 | dutchfish | mike1o, that was my mistake a little bit back |
| 12:07.38 | mike1o | dutchfish, no problem |
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| 12:08.59 | mike1o | dutchfish, is the mkdosfs step needed? |
| 12:09.23 | dutchfish | mike1o, i believe not |
| 12:09.30 | mike1o | ok |
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| 12:10.43 | dutchfish | mike1o, you sure it was sdb not sdb1 ? |
| 12:11.05 | mike1o | dutchfish, u mean zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 12:11.22 | dutchfish | mike1o, depending how you source is |
| 12:11.26 | mike1o | dutchfish, here it says so http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 12:11.42 | dutchfish | mike1o, check your source |
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| 12:12.35 | dutchfish | mike1o, if downloaded that one, follow instructions |
| 12:12.44 | roxazer | hi, sometimes my debian computer freezes adn i can just run commands like "ls", i cant login or ssh to the computer, can't even run "reboot", must press the computers power-button to reboot it, what could the problem be? |
| 12:12.50 | mike1o | dutchfish, that's what it says here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-usb |
| 12:12.51 | roxazer | and* |
| 12:12.58 | dutchfish | mike1o, ok |
| 12:13.51 | roxazer | im using Debian Etch with lenny/sid sources.list if thats the problem? |
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| 12:14.30 | mike1o | dutchfish, but if this never works Ill try adding the 1 |
| 12:15.43 | TiMiDo | hey how come i do not have sound on my flash plugin? |
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| 12:17.12 | mike1o | dutchfish, found what I doing wrong! |
| 12:17.19 | dutchfish | mike1o, oh? |
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| 12:17.40 | mike1o | dutchfish, I had to mount /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:17.49 | dutchfish | mike1o, there you go |
| 12:18.29 | mike1o | dutchfish, now I just copy the iso and it should work |
| 12:18.31 | AbsintheSyringe | TiMiDo, that's nothing strange, lenny/etch? flash 10, 9? what |
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| 12:18.54 | AbsintheSyringe | TiMiDo, this morning I actually wanted to see some flash stuff, gave up how stupid v10 plugin played |
| 12:18.55 | mike1o | dutchfish, but I guess it's the iso and NOT the its contens |
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| 12:19.13 | TiMiDo | AbsintheSyringe, lenny |
| 12:19.24 | AbsintheSyringe | TiMiDo, chmod 660 /dev/dsp |
| 12:19.53 | TiMiDo | chmod: cannot access `/dev/dsp': No such file or directory |
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| 12:20.31 | AbsintheSyringe | TiMiDo, as root |
| 12:20.37 | TiMiDo | i am as root |
| 12:20.57 | dutchfish | TiMiDo, your sound drivers are loaded correctly? |
| 12:21.31 | TiMiDo | dutchfish, yes i am |
| 12:21.45 | TiMiDo | i'm actually playing music on xmms |
| 12:22.09 | AbsintheSyringe | TiMiDo, lspci | grep -i "audio" |
| 12:22.19 | mike1o | dutchfish, it works!!!!! |
| 12:22.35 | TiMiDo | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
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| 12:22.53 | AbsintheSyringe | ah, don't you just love via :) |
| 12:23.41 | TiMiDo | right |
| 12:23.45 | dutchfish | mike1o, :) |
| 12:23.51 | TiMiDo | AbsintheSyringe, any ideas? |
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| 12:24.07 | dutchfish | TiMiDo, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32309&highlight=&sid=0cb266f424c9dae2eb873e1f4e92613b |
| 12:24.07 | mike1o | dutchfish, tnx |
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| 12:27.08 | TiMiDo | dutchfish, done still no sound |
| 12:27.16 | TiMiDo | do i need to reboot? |
| 12:27.24 | dutchfish | TiMiDo, do you have /dev/dsp now? |
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| 12:27.30 | TiMiDo | yes i do |
| 12:27.44 | dutchfish | TiMiDo, that or restart sound system |
| 12:27.52 | TiMiDo | dutchfish, how? |
| 12:28.08 | dutchfish | TiMiDo, to be honest i would reboot too, because i dont know |
| 12:28.36 | dutchfish | TiMiDo, might be also that udev is playing tricks in this |
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| 12:28.46 | AbsintheSyringe | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart ? |
| 12:30.51 | cjns3274 | what's the deal with non-us.debian.org? seems like it doesn't exist anymore? |
| 12:31.32 | dutchfish | cjns3274, historically there where parts that where limited by export law, dont know curent status |
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| 12:31.52 | dutchfish | cjns3274, crypto stuff and such |
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| 12:33.00 | eve | hi all |
| 12:33.11 | eve | I'm trying to get my ps/2 mouse to work, but to no avail |
| 12:33.20 | eve | everything should be set up just fine |
| 12:33.22 | eve | what may be wrong? |
| 12:33.25 | cjns3274 | right, but the law has changed over here, so it's no longer needed.. but what I mean is .. how do I remove non-us from my sources.list w/o screwing up |
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| 12:33.34 | eve | cat /proc/interrupts gives me no mouse at IRQ 12 |
| 12:33.43 | eve | cat /dev/psaux yields no output |
| 12:34.21 | eve | mouse usb support is disabled in bios |
| 12:34.26 | eve | (the mouse is definitely ps/2) |
| 12:34.46 | dutchfish | eve, stupid question: is it in the right port? |
| 12:34.57 | eve | dutchfish: there is only one ps/2 port |
| 12:35.04 | dutchfish | eve, ok |
| 12:35.07 | eve | and the light is on btw |
| 12:35.11 | eve | (on the mouse) |
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| 12:35.21 | dutchfish | eve, and ps/2 is enabled in bios? |
| 12:35.41 | eve | I didn't see any option to enable/disable ps/2 in the bios |
| 12:35.48 | eve | let me check the manual |
| 12:35.49 | dutchfish | eve, ok, then it is |
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| 12:36.43 | kqr | hey, i need a program similar to feh (in that it is lightweight, and easy to use to browse between pictures), but with the feature to remove pictures... i need to thin out a little among, like, 300 pictures... and looking at them one at a time is way too time-consuming... |
| 12:36.45 | eve | dutchfish: only USB mouse support is an option in the bios |
| 12:37.01 | dutchfish | eve, ok, doesnt mather really then |
| 12:37.11 | dutchfish | eve, this is a fresh install? |
| 12:37.19 | eve | indeed |
| 12:37.24 | eve | 4.0, etch |
| 12:37.30 | eve | already upgraded the kernel btw |
| 12:37.35 | eve | so now it's 2.6.26 |
| 12:37.37 | eve | still no dic |
| 12:37.38 | eve | dice |
| 12:37.42 | dutchfish | eve, i suspect a broken mouse then |
| 12:37.53 | eve | impossible, got another one here |
| 12:37.54 | dutchfish | eve, did you check it? |
| 12:37.55 | eve | both don't work |
| 12:38.01 | dutchfish | eve, ok |
| 12:38.17 | dutchfish | eve, or a bad ps/2 port |
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| 12:38.40 | eve | dutchfish: any way to check? |
| 12:38.56 | dutchfish | eve, so far i have never seen ps/2 not working on any computer, but you should check it |
| 12:39.19 | dutchfish | eve, maybe your computer has some sort of hardware utils to check it? |
| 12:39.23 | eve | ok, will do some checks |
| 12:39.26 | eve | don't think so |
| 12:39.31 | eve | but got another identical pc here |
| 12:39.33 | eve | will try on that one |
| 12:39.36 | eve | and get back |
| 12:39.37 | dutchfish | eve, ok |
| 12:39.41 | eve | thx for now |
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| 12:40.43 | mike1o | I accidentally did not select "laptop system" in the install... is that a problem? |
| 12:40.57 | pythonic | no |
| 12:41.04 | dutchfish | !tell mike1o about tasksel |
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| 12:42.03 | mike1o | dutchfish, ok ill try that as soon as im done with this |
| 12:42.13 | dutchfish | mike1o, yw |
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| 12:45.56 | kharloss | hi there. anyone use GNUPanel as hosting interface ? after a quick setup and after add a new domain nothing works ... private it`s ok too . |
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| 12:46.37 | eve | hi again |
| 12:47.00 | dutchfish | kharloss, you would be better of asking them directly or use there faq |
| 12:47.00 | eve | dutchfish: I just noted the mouse is actually in the PS/2 port which is marked as "keyboard" |
| 12:47.04 | eve | but I don't have another one |
| 12:47.09 | eve | could that be the problem? |
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| 12:47.46 | dutchfish | eve, then your board wont support ps/2 mouse directly, use converter plug |
| 12:47.49 | kharloss | dutchfish : thanks but their support is not so good |
| 12:47.58 | kharloss | i`ll check their forums |
| 12:48.28 | eve | dutchfish: ic, interesting... thanks |
| 12:48.40 | dutchfish | eve, or usb mouse ... i know this isnt what you want to hear |
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| 12:51.24 | eve | dutchfish: dutchfish, don't worry, will do, thanks |
| 12:51.32 | dutchfish | eve, yw |
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| 13:01.25 | booiiing | hi all |
| 13:01.58 | booiiing | i can't seem to find the java-error-console in my iceweasel with openjdk |
| 13:02.20 | booiiing | do i have to activate it somehow or anything like that before it can be used? |
| 13:02.27 | booiiing | if yes, how would i do that? |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | do you have a URL that has an applet? |
| 13:04.05 | abrotman | swears java.com used to ... |
| 13:04.14 | booiiing | yeah, it has one |
| 13:04.16 | booiiing | wait a min |
| 13:04.35 | abrotman | ah .. got it "Do I have Java?" :) |
| 13:04.53 | booiiing | yep |
| 13:04.54 | abrotman | should install java apparently |
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| 13:05.30 | booiiing | the applet on that site works fine and detects my version |
| 13:05.32 | abrotman | oh .. stupid page .. it lies .. it says i don't have it, when i actually do, but it's out of date |
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| 13:06.15 | booiiing | it tells me my java is out-of-date and offers me to download 32bit-java |
| 13:06.30 | booiiing | but i don't want that, because this is a 64bit-machine |
| 13:06.44 | booiiing | and openjdk normally runs everything quite fine |
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| 13:07.22 | booiiing | but i want to debug an applet and i would need the error-console for that |
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| 13:08.27 | abrotman | http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/install/jre/manual-plugin-install-linux.html .. if you scroll down a bit, it tells you to unzip a file to get a java console menu item |
| 13:08.51 | abrotman | booiiing: on my system that file is at /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/lib/deploy/ffjcext.zip |
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| 13:09.46 | abrotman | booiiing: to be fair .. i didn't test it |
| 13:11.29 | booiiing | abrotman, yeah, that would be the way to go with sun-java |
| 13:11.44 | booiiing | but as there is no 64bit-plugin from sun, i have installed openjdk |
| 13:11.55 | booiiing | (as i mentioned in my first sentence) |
| 13:12.40 | booiiing | openjdk doesn't have that file |
| 13:13.17 | abrotman | booiiing: i have openjdk .. i have that file |
| 13:13.25 | abrotman | oh wait .. no . i have sun6-jre |
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| 13:15.39 | Dowland | Hello. I deleted a folder /emul which I thought I had created back when I was trying to do a 32-bit chroot on my amd64 system. That was a stupid thing to do, as it seems to have deleted the compatibility libraries that were used on my systems for other stuff. |
| 13:16.12 | Dowland | Now, I can't seem to get aptitude find any packages any more (for instance, for nspluginwrapper, it lists sources as "none") ... I don't know what to do: is this because it thinks it's already installed? |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | booiiing: so this is really an icedtea problem .. not a firefox problem ? |
| 13:16.30 | booiiing | i think so |
| 13:16.38 | Dowland | Is there a way to refresh aptitude's knowledge of what is installed? |
| 13:16.57 | booiiing | icedtea has an application called "jconsole" which gives a lot of info about a running vm |
| 13:17.11 | booiiing | but appearently no traces, exceptions and all that |
| 13:17.44 | booiiing | Dowland, you can re-install a package |
| 13:17.54 | booiiing | the shortcut is "L" (shift+l) |
| 13:17.56 | abrotman | erm .. iceweasel problem |
| 13:18.04 | Dowland | It is says something to the effect of "No candidate version found for nspluginwrapper." |
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| 13:18.22 | abrotman | Dowland: run aptitude update first |
| 13:18.26 | mu-dev | Dowland: apt's knowledge of what's installed has nothign to do with /emul |
| 13:19.15 | mu-dev | which leads me to ask, are you sure that's where and what you removed? |
| 13:19.33 | mu-dev | is that all you removed? |
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| 13:20.07 | reto_ | heya, i'm trying to boot a freshly instaled lenn system |
| 13:20.08 | Dowland | I'm sorry. I checked again, and there was a "deb-src" for unstable, but not a "deb". |
| 13:20.28 | Dowland | How can I make sure everything that I deinstalled (by removing "/emul") is reinstalled? |
| 13:20.30 | reto_ | but the booter hangs somewhere around 'sd 2:0:0:3: attached sci generic sg5 type ' |
| 13:20.35 | Dowland | Is it safe to reinstall everything? |
| 13:20.46 | reto_ | around 'mount root file system' |
| 13:20.54 | booiiing | Dowland, reinstall *lib32* |
| 13:20.54 | mu-dev | are you sure you want to deal with unstable? you are expected to be expert in debian if you're going to play in an expert realm |
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| 13:21.10 | reto_ | mu-dev? you asking me? |
| 13:21.19 | firesteel | Total noob here. Just installed Debian. On booting up I get eth1: no IPv6 routers present, then it hangs. I can then hit return and I get the message Login incorrect. Give root password for maintenance or ctrld to continue. It seems to go fine after that, but how can I clean this messy startup up? |
| 13:21.24 | abrotman | who said unstable ? |
| 13:21.35 | abrotman | oh .. Dowland |
| 13:22.22 | abrotman | firesteel: ipv6 wouoldn't do that |
| 13:22.23 | reto_ | hmm.. that is funny.. |
| 13:22.33 | reto_ | the grub specified sde2 instead of sda2 |
| 13:22.42 | reto_ | and now it boots |
| 13:22.54 | reto_ | how comes the lenny installer completly screws up that device name? |
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| 13:23.24 | Dowland | mu-dev: a fair question ... I had everything working perfectly, but unfortunately my / partition is quite full, and I had to remove that folder, and this is has sent me spinning. |
| 13:23.28 | Dowland | booiiing: thanks. |
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| 13:23.38 | booiiing | heh |
| 13:23.54 | booiiing | yeah, the amd64-installer is a bit broken in this thing |
| 13:23.55 | neptuneK | firesteel : that sounds like the single user mode. |
| 13:24.03 | firesteel | yes |
| 13:24.07 | abrotman | reto_: i'd guess it was the orrder the devices were probed |
| 13:24.15 | reto_ | abrotman: it's only one disk |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | reto_: ew .. weird .. file your installer report |
| 13:24.30 | firesteel | neptunek: yes |
| 13:24.36 | booiiing | if you configure it to automatically assign hdd-space, it creates a rather small partition for / |
| 13:24.40 | abrotman | firesteel: run a filesystem check |
| 13:24.54 | neptuneK | firesteel : checked your GRUB entry + |
| 13:24.54 | firesteel | ok, how? |
| 13:24.56 | booiiing | which is normally fine, but as /emul can grow quite large, this can give you a lot of trouble |
| 13:25.04 | reto_ | abrotman: will do! |
| 13:25.14 | Dowland | *nods sadly* |
| 13:25.33 | reto_ | abrotman: I went to lenny/dissts/../install-x86/netboot and so on, this should be more or less the latest installer, right? |
| 13:25.35 | abrotman | booiiing: btw .. i found similar bug reports for fedora about a lacking java console |
| 13:25.48 | Dowland | Oh gosh, now I have to do that whole dancing around with nspluginwrapper ... |
| 13:25.50 | abrotman | reto_: uhm .. i use the netinst |
| 13:25.53 | neptuneK | firesteel : check your GRUB entry .. "gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" |
| 13:26.00 | firesteel | neptunek: ook |
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| 13:26.28 | booiiing | abrotman: :( |
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| 13:26.38 | abrotman | reto_: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. and the rc1 .. but yours should have worked i'd imagine |
| 13:26.40 | firesteel | neptunek: I can tell you I removed everything but the single user fromthere, bad, huh? |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | booiiing: asked #java yet? |
| 13:26.44 | booiiing | so it really is an issue with that package |
| 13:26.44 | flipflop | Hi. I put 4GB of ram on my server. I also installed the 2.6 bigmem kernel. But "free -m" only shows 3289Mb, why's that? |
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| 13:26.58 | booiiing | abrotman, they don't like plugins there |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | flipflop: you have i386 .. /msg dpkg PAE |
| 13:27.09 | booiiing | s/plugins/applets/ |
| 13:27.09 | abrotman | booiiing: wtf .. it's java ... |
| 13:27.24 | neptuneK | firesteel : not a big deal .. just remove the "single" in the kernel entry |
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| 13:27.33 | firesteel | ok, thanks! |
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| 13:27.44 | abrotman | flipflop: AFAIK .. it still won't see all 4GB on i386 |
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| 13:28.14 | flipflop | abrotman: I have a 686 kernel |
| 13:28.22 | abrotman | that's still i386 |
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| 13:28.35 | flipflop | so what do I do? |
| 13:28.52 | abrotman | flipflop: what is your CPU ? |
| 13:29.18 | flipflop | idk... /proc/cpuinfo says "model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2140 @ 1.60GHz" |
| 13:29.24 | flipflop | twice |
| 13:29.27 | flipflop | (dual core) |
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| 13:29.46 | abrotman | that doesn't help me .. is it a 64bit CPU ? |
| 13:30.08 | flipflop | not sure.. how can I find out? don't have physical access to the box |
| 13:30.16 | flipflop | can I use lshw or something? |
| 13:30.31 | abrotman | google? :) |
| 13:30.48 | flipflop | eh.. okay |
| 13:31.19 | abrotman | flipflop: install a -amd64 kernel .. you'll have a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland |
| 13:31.26 | amphi | flipflop: does the flags line contain 'lm'? |
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| 13:31.31 | abrotman | notes one of his keys is squeaking |
| 13:31.42 | flipflop | amphi: yep |
| 13:31.54 | pseubodot | abrotman: is pae support intrinsic or is it a boot option? |
| 13:31.59 | abrotman | amphi: google was faster! |
| 13:32.00 | flipflop | abrotman: but it's an Intel processor, is this a problem? |
| 13:32.07 | Dowland | How can I prevent stuff from being installed in /emul? |
| 13:32.17 | abrotman | pseubodot: it's a compile time option i believe |
| 13:32.26 | abrotman | flipflop: nope .. it'll work fine |
| 13:32.28 | pseubodot | abrotman: ahh, cool |
| 13:32.30 | flipflop | thank you |
| 13:32.34 | pseubodot | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | hunts pete |
| 13:32.56 | Dowland | Will a symbolic from /usr/share/emul to /emul work? |
| 13:33.14 | abrotman | pseubodot: maybe i was wrong .. let me look .. |
| 13:33.33 | flipflop | lshw says "width: 64 bits" , does this mean I have a 64 bit processor? |
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| 13:33.46 | flipflop | amphi: what does the "lm" flag mean? |
| 13:33.47 | amphi | flipflop: 'lm' means it's 64bit |
| 13:33.51 | flipflop | ah okay |
| 13:33.55 | amphi | 'long mode' if I recall correctly |
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| 13:35.27 | tosmo | after boot i get an i/o error when trying to run scanimage as unprivileged user. (but it works fine for root). after reconnecting the usbcable, everything works as expected. any idea what's the problem? restarting udev instead of reconnecting the calbe does not help |
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| 13:36.20 | abrotman | pseubodot: it seems to be the HIGHMEM options |
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| 13:37.45 | abrotman | thinks pseubodot stopped caring |
| 13:37.49 | plugwash | are there any debian architectures where int is not 32 bit? and if so which ones are they? |
| 13:37.49 | booiiing | abrotman, ok, i found out that i don't need the error-console. if iceweasel is started from the command-line, the debug-output of the plugin is visible on the terminal |
| 13:37.51 | booiiing | :) |
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| 13:38.14 | abrotman | booiiing: that's icky .. but okay |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | plugwash: did you check debian.org/ports/ ? |
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| 13:40.20 | plugwash | abrotman, that page and the architecture pages linked from it doesn't seem to have any info on the size of the standard C data types for each port |
| 13:41.14 | flipflop | how do I change the default kernel fro grub? |
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| 13:42.29 | jair | good morning guys, I am using vmware 6.0.5 on my debian etch r5 running as the host machine, on the host I have a couple of virtual machines including my nagios and ntp server, do you guys know why the vms keeps loosing the synchronization with the ntp server after a while... :( |
| 13:42.29 | CuBe0wL | bye all |
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| 13:42.32 | cahoot | look into menu.lst |
| 13:42.39 | jair | I have vmware tools installed and everything |
| 13:42.53 | jair | and the two virtual machines are running the same version of debian etch |
| 13:43.08 | jair | any idea or suggestion will be appreciated |
| 13:43.38 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
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| 13:44.19 | plugwash | jair, does vmware-tools try to sync the clock with the host? if it does it may be fighting with ntpd |
| 13:44.32 | flipflop | cahoot: and then? just reboot? |
| 13:44.50 | cahoot | yes |
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| 13:45.39 | pseubodot | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 13:45.53 | jair | plugwash: you know it may, but I wonder how can I find out that if i do not have x running or installed in this two virtual machines |
| 13:46.22 | jair | abrotman: it is more a debian-vmware issue and I know that a lot of debian people uses vmware |
| 13:46.27 | jair | abrotman: but thank you |
| 13:46.40 | abrotman | vmware isn't in debian .. ask #vmware |
| 13:46.41 | flipflop | Ok I changed to -amd64 kernel, but it still shows only 3268Mb of ram! |
| 13:47.14 | jair | plugwash: I will search how can I tell vmware tools not to synchronize with the host clock. but the crazy thing is that the host is also the ntp server hahaha |
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| 13:48.09 | kharloss | hi . can i use my trendnet router to provide some local IP`s 192.168.x.x for my notebook, palm, Wii but in the same time to provide public internet adress for another computer plugged in LAN port ? |
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| 13:52.38 | rhalff | hi is it possible to never install mysql-server locally with apt ? |
| 13:52.55 | rhalff | I want to use an external server |
| 13:53.04 | rhalff | so having one locally is a bit pointless |
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| 13:53.15 | abrotman | just don't install one? |
| 13:53.29 | abrotman | maybe use pinning to prevent installing it |
| 13:53.40 | rhalff | in my case I'm trying to install postfix-policyd and it apt-get install wants to install the mysql server |
| 13:53.48 | rhalff | -it |
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| 13:53.55 | abrotman | rhalff: which version of debian ? |
| 13:54.06 | rhalff | abrotman, don't ask :p |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | i did |
| 13:54.34 | rhalff | it's a flavour of debian, named ubuntu |
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| 13:54.54 | abrotman | you should `man aptitude` and now go back to #ubuntu |
| 13:55.10 | DanDare | Hello folks. I just added a pci modem to the computer but system does not attach any serial port to the modem. I must do it manually ? |
| 13:55.17 | rhalff | abrotman, ok thanks |
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| 13:56.51 | amphi | DanDare: is it a real modem? |
| 13:56.56 | adb | !winmodem |
| 13:56.57 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: <winmodem-trick>, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 13:57.22 | flipflop_ | Ok, so back to my question. How do I get my 4Gb of ram recognized? |
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| 13:57.53 | Lagbolt | flipflop, well you could run 64bit OS |
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| 13:58.38 | plugwash | Flipflop what kernel are you running at the moment? |
| 13:58.39 | Lagbolt | oh wait, you said you are running 64bit kern and still doesnt show? |
| 13:58.53 | flipflop_ | -amd64 |
| 13:59.00 | flipflop_ | on a dual-core 64-bit Intel processor |
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| 13:59.10 | plugwash | what chipset? |
| 13:59.21 | flipflop_ | plugwash: dunno... how do I find out? |
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| 13:59.37 | flipflop_ | lshw -c memory shows 2 x 2Gb mem tho |
| 13:59.44 | flipflop_ | which is correct |
| 13:59.58 | Federico2 | Hi there |
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| 14:00.17 | plugwash | not sure, it should be in your motherboard manual but i'm not sure how you can find out from software |
| 14:00.47 | DanDare | amphi, not real modem |
| 14:00.54 | Federico2 | hibernate-disk works on my laptop when running a 2.6.24-1-686 kernel and it doesn't with a 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 14:01.16 | plugwash | some intel chipsets despite supporting 64 bit processors do not support more than a 32 bit physical address space (which generally means you end up with about 3.5 gigs of ram if you put in 2x4GB modules) |
| 14:02.05 | Federico2 | any idea? |
| 14:02.33 | plugwash | is this a desktop or a laptop? |
| 14:02.44 | flipflop_ | desktop |
| 14:03.09 | plugwash | big brand or custom build? |
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| 14:03.20 | flipflop_ | processor is Intel E2180 |
| 14:03.37 | flipflop_ | not sure if that's 64 bit |
| 14:04.03 | plugwash | clearly it is or the -amd64 kernel wouldn't have booted |
| 14:04.21 | abrotman | flipflop_: did you install the -amd64 kernel ? |
| 14:04.25 | dutchfish | hi, when i start a kvm session on host and add a with route add -host [ip] to the route table of the host the ip of the vm it does not work, when i route del [ip] it start working, what could coarse this? |
| 14:04.30 | flipflop_ | yes I did. running it now. |
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| 14:05.05 | plugwash | If you are running the -amd64 kernel and it still doesn't see all 4GB then i'm afraid there probablly isn't anything you can do about it other than replacing the motherboard |
| 14:05.32 | Lagbolt | flipflop, what kern is it? etch? lenny? |
| 14:06.17 | jair | plugwash: there was a line on the myvm.vmx about synchronize time with host, was on "false" I changed it to "true" and will remove ntp server from that vm |
| 14:06.29 | dutchfish | does the ridge needs special instructions? like stp or so? |
| 14:06.37 | dutchfish | s/ridge/bridge |
| 14:06.41 | reto_ | abrotman: reported |
| 14:06.50 | reto_ | abrotman: the sde/sda boot problem :) perhaps it helps |
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| 14:07.06 | Lagbolt | flipflop, i have seen some MB issues that are kernel related including cpu cores not coming up and other various MB features not working on newer hardware fixed with a newer kern. |
| 14:08.27 | abrotman | flipflop_: yes, it's 64bit |
| 14:09.48 | dutchfish | flipflop, some new boards have options for memory like memsnoop and OS related settings, did you check those? |
| 14:10.18 | abrotman | cause |
| 14:10.37 | dutchfish | flipflop, on my new dell boards i need to specially set "OTHER OSES" to get full > 4 Gb support |
| 14:10.40 | reto_ | hmm.. why does my menu.lst doesnt get updated after I run update-grub.. I changed some template variables |
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| 14:11.32 | dutchfish | flipflop, and using 2.6.26 latest |
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| 14:17.22 | amikrop | Hello. How can I install the Human Theme? |
| 14:17.25 | amikrop | !human |
| 14:17.25 | dpkg | somebody said human was alive |
| 14:17.34 | amikrop | !human theme |
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| 14:18.10 | X0op | hello is this syntax right : useradd -D backup -d /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly -g backup -k -p 741852 |
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| 14:19.27 | Eulex | X0op, that's correct syntactically, yes. I have no idea whether those are correct arguments to useradd, though. |
| 14:19.55 | X0op | I have added group named backup |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | does it error? |
| 14:20.08 | X0op | and I have /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly directory exist |
| 14:20.15 | X0op | but dosn't work |
| 14:20.22 | Eulex | define 'doesn't work' |
| 14:20.36 | X0op | give me output of help |
| 14:20.52 | abrotman | no error at the top ? |
| 14:20.54 | X0op | it give me output of "--help" |
| 14:20.59 | X0op | no |
| 14:21.03 | amikrop | How can I get Human Theme for Debian? |
| 14:21.11 | abrotman | amikrop: wtf is Human Theme? |
| 14:21.12 | X0op | root@turk1 [/scripts]# useradd -D backup -d /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly -g backup -p 741852 |
| 14:21.12 | X0op | Usage: useradd [options] LOGIN |
| 14:21.14 | asg | X0op: you need to put the actual user name at the end |
| 14:21.24 | amikrop | abrotman: A gnome theme |
| 14:21.25 | Eulex | X0op, -k needs a skeleton dir |
| 14:21.38 | abrotman | amikrop: same as every other gnome theme .. but it sounds like you'll have to download it |
| 14:21.53 | X0op | root@turk1 [/scripts]# useradd -D -k -d /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly -g backup -p 741852 backup |
| 14:21.53 | X0op | Usage: useradd [options] LOGIN |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | amikrop: i'm sure the gnome website has docs .. and the gnome theme manager does have a help button |
| 14:21.58 | X0op | same problem |
| 14:22.13 | amikrop | abrotman: ok |
| 14:22.14 | amikrop | thanks |
| 14:22.23 | cahoot | amikrop: try aptitude show gnome-art |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | X0op: -k takes a parameter |
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| 14:23.11 | jmonreal | Hi everyone |
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| 14:23.23 | abrotman | jmonreal: just install lenny already! :) |
| 14:23.30 | jmonreal | i did it |
| 14:23.34 | jmonreal | working perfectly |
| 14:23.42 | Eulex | X0op, you might want to try using adduser instead, it's more user friendly in general |
| 14:23.44 | jmonreal | i wanna talk something else |
| 14:24.03 | amikrop | cahoot: ok, thanks |
| 14:24.07 | jmonreal | what is the opinion you have about UBUNTU? |
| 14:24.17 | alex_111 | Hello there I`m newbie in Linux,so i get Installed Debian lenny and I could not start my wireless intel 2200 does anybody help me? |
| 14:24.18 | X0op | -K, --key KEY=VALUE |
| 14:24.18 | X0op | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:24.38 | cahoot | jmonreal: try /msg dpkg polls |
| 14:24.55 | Eulex | X0op, and? |
| 14:25.11 | jmonreal | abrotman, the computer i have has 4gb ram and a core 2 duo, should i install a i386 or x86_64 |
| 14:25.22 | Eulex | alex_111, install the firmware for it. |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | X0op: -k is different than -K |
| 14:25.43 | alex_111 | I did but I could not install ieee80211 |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | jmonreal: either will technically work |
| 14:25.48 | jmonreal | cahoot, its just that I think that ubuntu its getting more windows than linux, in the way the are rushing their realeases and everytime its more buggy |
| 14:25.55 | Eulex | alex_111, what kernel are you running? |
| 14:25.59 | jmonreal | thats why I like more Slackware and Debian |
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| 14:26.06 | alex_111 | 2.6.18 if so |
| 14:26.18 | X0op | abrotman : dosn't work |
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| 14:26.32 | cahoot | jmonreal: fruitless subject here I'd say |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | X0op: what command are you using now? |
| 14:26.36 | X0op | useradd -D -K UID_MIN=100 -d /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly -g backup -p 741852 backup |
| 14:26.36 | jmonreal | abrotman, but ive been reading that it might never use the 4gb if I use an i386 |
| 14:26.50 | Eulex | alex_111, install ipw2200-modules for your kernel too then. you will now have to mess with ieee80211 yourself. |
| 14:26.51 | abrotman | jmonreal: /msg dpkg pae |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | jmonreal: but is it a desktop or server? |
| 14:27.10 | jmonreal | desktop |
| 14:27.15 | jair | plugwash: it looks so far like for virtual machine you want to edit the line on the vm.vmx configuration file and change the line => tools.syncTime = "FALSE" to => tools.syncTime = "TRUE" |
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| 14:27.19 | jmonreal | i wanna mount a cluster using debian |
| 14:27.25 | alex_111 | Eulex, how to check version of ipw2200 ? |
| 14:27.28 | jmonreal | i have 30 computers |
| 14:27.35 | jair | plugwash: and stopped the ntp server client on the virtual machine |
| 14:27.48 | jair | plugwash: :P |
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| 14:27.57 | abrotman | X0op: and it still shows the help ? |
| 14:28.15 | X0op | yes |
| 14:28.24 | abrotman | jmonreal: realistically .. the amd64 version works fine for most things now |
| 14:28.27 | Eulex | alex_111, the version of the installed ipw2200-modules-$(uname -r) package will tell you. |
| 14:28.44 | helo | if i just move emails from one Maildir on one system to another (different username even), will things work as expected? |
| 14:28.50 | jmonreal | mmm but what would you recommend me? |
| 14:28.53 | Tapnzout | is that a file modifier/binary that prevents a file from even bothering to go into OS cache? |
| 14:29.13 | abrotman | X0op: -p takes an encrypted password |
| 14:29.25 | jmonreal | abrotman, but its there a kernel-pae? |
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| 14:29.31 | X0op | abrotman : md5 ?? |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | its there? |
| 14:29.34 | jmonreal | like apt-get install kernel-pae? |
| 14:29.35 | jmonreal | ? |
| 14:29.44 | abrotman | X0op: you could leave the -p out and then change the password later |
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| 14:29.50 | SuperNick | hi |
| 14:29.51 | Eulex | Tapnzout, uh, are you asking if such a think exists? why would you want it? |
| 14:29.58 | SuperNick | whats wrong with this : failed to open package info file `/usr/local/var/dpkg/status' for reading |
| 14:29.58 | Eulex | X0op, or you could use adduser |
| 14:30.00 | abrotman | jmonreal: it's already in the kernel in the i386 kernels |
| 14:30.10 | SuperNick | i got this everytime i dpk something |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | SuperNick: which version of debian ? |
| 14:30.25 | alex_111 | Eulex, I`ve got uname-r command not found,ipw2200-modules-:command not found |
| 14:30.29 | Tapnzout | Eulex, because I want to 'test' my script repeatedly and I don't wanna flush caches that file that flushes them each time |
| 14:30.37 | helo | how can i configure exim so that if the system receives a mail to foo@bar.com, it will be delivered to user "joe", but all other email to foo@bar.com will be delivered to bar.com's mx? |
| 14:30.39 | Tapnzout | i'm trying to compare something and want a realistic comparison |
| 14:30.43 | jmonreal | abrotman, but its enabled? |
| 14:30.52 | abrotman | jmonreal: in i386 kernels .. yes |
| 14:30.59 | jmonreal | thanks |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | except the -486 i guess |
| 14:31.13 | jmonreal | i386 distinct with i686 kernels? |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | such as linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 |
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| 14:31.28 | Eulex | alex_111, firstly, it's not a command. secondly, I said uname -r, not uname-r |
| 14:31.29 | helo | or will exim only locally deliver an email to foo@bar.com if it is the final destination for all bar.com addresses? |
| 14:31.36 | SuperNick | debian etch 64 |
| 14:31.38 | abrotman | no .. i386 is the architecture .. i386 would have -486 and -686 for example |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | SuperNick: dpkg -l dpkg .. which version is it? |
| 14:31.57 | SuperNick | 2.6.24.5-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 |
| 14:32.04 | Eulex | Tapnzout, you will have to live with the kernel caching stuff. you will have to work around this. |
| 14:32.40 | SuperNick | dpkg -l dpkg ? how can i see version |
| 14:32.40 | dpkg | ii dpkg ? how can i see version 1.2-1 supernick's private gamp collection |
| 14:32.52 | abrotman | SuperNick: it gives it to you in the terminal |
| 14:33.04 | SuperNick | dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/usr/local/var/dpkg/status' for reading |
| 14:33.15 | SuperNick | dpkg -l dpkg => dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/usr/local/var/dpkg/status' for reading |
| 14:33.15 | dpkg | ii dpkg => dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/usr/local/var/dpkg/status' for reading 1.7-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 14:33.21 | X0op | abrotman: just tell me how to creat an ftp account |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | SuperNick: dpkg --version .. it tells you which version |
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| 14:33.38 | jmonreal | abrotman, i mean when you do apt-cache search kernel.... you get a ton of versions, and one of them is i686 |
| 14:33.38 | Eulex | alex_111, one way of checking the version of a package is to run apt-cache policy packagename |
| 14:33.39 | abrotman | X0op: just remove the -p option |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | jmonreal: no, one of them is -686 |
| 14:33.55 | SuperNick | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.22 (amd64). |
| 14:34.03 | Eulex | alex_111, anyway, the version of ipw2200 in etch (if you have it installed) is 1.2.0 |
| 14:34.05 | alex_111 | I`m going to do that Eulex |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman | SuperNick: that's not etch |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | SuperNick: uname -a ... show us the full output |
| 14:34.40 | SuperNick | Linux ks2032892.kimsufi.com 2.6.24.5-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #3 SMP Tue May 27 19:09:58 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:34.52 | Eulex | SuperNick, why do you have a /usr/local/var/dpkg/status ? or well, does the file exist? |
| 14:34.58 | abrotman | SuperNick: what kind of machine is this? |
| 14:35.08 | X0op | adduser: warning: the home directory already exists. |
| 14:35.09 | X0op | Not copying any file from skel directory into it. |
| 14:35.10 | SuperNick | no this file does not exist |
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| 14:35.23 | alex_111 | Eulex, I got this W: Unable to locate package ipw2200-modules |
| 14:35.29 | jmonreal | aahh |
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| 14:35.38 | X0op | abrotman: how to add pasword for this new acount ? |
| 14:35.38 | jmonreal | abrotman, and 686 what does it mean? |
| 14:35.40 | Eulex | alex_111, that's because the package is not named that. |
| 14:35.45 | SuperNick | an intel Quad Q6600 |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | X0op: passwd backup .. after the account is created |
| 14:35.54 | Eulex | alex_111, apt-cache search ipw2200-modules |
| 14:36.03 | Eulex | select and install the one that fits your kernel. |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | jmonreal: it means when they did the kernel config options, they chose the 686 family |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | SuperNick: no, is it a server? that kernel isn't a debian kernel AFAIK |
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| 14:36.29 | jmonreal | but that one comes with PAE? |
| 14:36.31 | Eulex | jmonreal, that it uses the 686 instruction set, and is optimized for 686 (pentium pro) and later processors |
| 14:36.35 | jmonreal | or only de i386 |
| 14:36.36 | jmonreal | ? |
| 14:36.52 | jmonreal | core 2 duo == 686?? |
| 14:36.57 | Eulex | no |
| 14:37.10 | jmonreal | wich one should I install? |
| 14:37.12 | Eulex | but core 2 duo classifies as 686 or later |
| 14:37.29 | Zharf | c2d knows about 686 instruction set :) |
| 14:37.39 | format_c | which package contains locate? Just want to remove it. |
| 14:37.49 | asg | format_c: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:37.57 | alex_111 | Eulex, I got an information there is a lot |
| 14:37.57 | Eulex | as abrotman told you, all i386 kernels except the -386 kernels includes pae support |
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| 14:38.04 | abrotman | -486 |
| 14:38.06 | format_c | asg, thx |
| 14:38.08 | Eulex | alex_111, yes. |
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| 14:38.12 | Eulex | abrotman, oh right. |
| 14:38.19 | Eulex | "except the -486" |
| 14:38.25 | alex_111 | Eulex, so how to proceed in next? |
| 14:38.39 | Eulex | alex_111, find the one that matches your kernel. install it. |
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| 14:39.32 | X0op | abrotman: thanks but I cant login to the ftp by this new account "Login failed." |
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| 14:39.44 | amikrop | sudo does not work |
| 14:39.54 | amikrop | When I run a command with sudo, nothing happens. |
| 14:39.56 | jmonreal | thanks guys |
| 14:39.56 | amikrop | Any clues? |
| 14:40.03 | abrotman | amikrop: this is not ubuntu |
| 14:40.09 | abrotman | sudo is not configured by default |
| 14:40.17 | amikrop | abrotman: how do I configure it? |
| 14:40.19 | abrotman | X0op: did you set a password for it? |
| 14:40.21 | SuperNick | does anyone on debian has a /usr/local/var/dpkg/status file ? whats inside ? |
| 14:40.24 | amikrop | I didn't sya this is ubuntu |
| 14:40.26 | amikrop | * say |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | amikrop: read the documentation |
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| 14:40.56 | X0op | abrotman: yes |
| 14:41.01 | Eulex | SuperNick, debian does not install files in /usr/local/. you did something wacky to get a file in there. |
| 14:41.11 | alex_111 | I think is this ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-486 - Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915ABG (ipw2200) driver modules for Linux 2.6.18 on x86 |
| 14:41.21 | alex_111 | Eulex, |
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| 14:41.39 | abrotman | X0op: did you give the user a valid shell ? |
| 14:41.41 | Eulex | alex_111, if that matches your kernel (2.6.18-6-486), then by all means go ahead and install it. |
| 14:41.43 | SuperNick | :( |
| 14:41.46 | SuperNick | should i reinstall all ? |
| 14:41.51 | alex_111 | Eulex, I`m running in Intel centrino,HP nx6110 |
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| 14:42.00 | Eulex | alex_111, does not matter. |
| 14:42.36 | alex_111 | Eulex, what is the command to install it? |
| 14:42.50 | alex_111 | Eulex, sorry for boring you but I`m really newbie |
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| 14:43.25 | X0op | abrotman: no I didn't give a value shel to it |
| 14:43.41 | abrotman | X0op: ftp requires a valid shell |
| 14:43.52 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone help me automate the creation of two partitions? 1st partition: xxx bytes (must be precise) - 2nd partition: remaining space. I'm not sure how to accomplish this. I don't think it is possible using fdisk |
| 14:43.52 | adb | SuperNick: maybe install Debian , this time ;) |
| 14:44.57 | X0op | abrotman: I have deleted the user and I will recreate it again what value I will put ?? |
| 14:45.18 | X0op | adduser backup -d /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly -g backup /bin/false |
| 14:45.20 | X0op | ? |
| 14:45.47 | Riviera_ | Jemt: check sfdisk, but I dont know if it's possible at all to have partitions that are exactly a particular size |
| 14:46.00 | Eulex | alex_111, you use apt-get or aptitude to install packages. maybe you should read a bit on aboutdebian.com to find out a bit more about your new system? |
| 14:46.00 | Jemt | Okay. Thanks :) |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | X0op: did you read the adduser man page? |
| 14:46.20 | X0op | abrotman: yes |
| 14:46.27 | SuperNick | checkinstall says "no rules to build this target" |
| 14:46.32 | SuperNick | aborting install |
| 14:46.56 | alex_111 | 10x I will but without internet is not too easy,I`m using internet trough LAN but is temporary Eulex |
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| 14:47.09 | abrotman | then re-read it |
| 14:47.15 | X0op | -s |
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| 14:47.20 | abrotman | SuperNick: what are you compiling? |
| 14:47.37 | X0op | abrotman: I don't know what path can I put in the command |
| 14:47.41 | X0op | ok |
| 14:47.42 | X0op | I ill |
| 14:47.44 | X0op | thank you |
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| 14:47.53 | sgh | I accidentily deleted my dhcp-client. How can I get internet access back? |
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| 14:47.58 | SuperNick | i just run checkinstall |
| 14:48.01 | abrotman | SuperNick: what are you compiling? |
| 14:48.04 | Eulex | sgh, reinstall the package? |
| 14:48.12 | amikrop | I absolutely need the lenny version of the syslinux package. |
| 14:48.16 | amikrop | How can I get it? |
| 14:48.21 | sgh | Eulex: with no connection? |
| 14:48.22 | amikrop | Through backports, or something? |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 14:48.28 | SuperNick | The checkinstallrc file was not found at: /usr/local/lib/checkinstall/checkinstallrc |
| 14:48.33 | abrotman | SuperNick: what are you compiling? |
| 14:48.34 | Eulex | sgh, do you have it locally cached somewhere? |
| 14:48.36 | amikrop | abrotman: Yes, but that has dependencies. |
| 14:48.37 | SuperNick | damn its so hard to install checkinstall |
| 14:48.43 | sgh | Eulex: nope :( |
| 14:48.46 | abrotman | amikrop: duh ... why do you *need* it ? |
| 14:49.03 | amikrop | abrotman: To create a USB which installs linux. |
| 14:49.15 | Eulex | sgh, guess you will have to get it onto the machine in some other way then. configure the network manually, perhaps? |
| 14:49.25 | abrotman | amikrop: you don't need the lenny syslinux for that |
| 14:49.30 | amikrop | abrotman: which installs ubuntu. a friend of mine asked me to |
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| 14:49.42 | sgh | Eulex: yes, but how? |
| 14:49.47 | Eulex | sgh, man ifconfig. |
| 14:49.49 | X0op | root@turk1 [/scripts]# useradd backup -d /hdd1/cpbackup/weekly -s /bin/bash -g backup |
| 14:49.49 | X0op | useradd: invalid numeric argument 'backup' |
| 14:49.51 | amikrop | abrotman: I do. The Ubuntu guide says about syslinux 3.35 or later. |
| 14:49.51 | abrotman | amikrop: ask #ubuntu how to do it |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | amikrop: or use a chroot? or a vm |
| 14:50.04 | amikrop | abrotman: I know how to do it. I just need syslinux 3.35 or later. |
| 14:50.24 | amikrop | abrotman: The etch syslinux is 3.31. |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | amikrop: or use a chroot? or a vm |
| 14:50.35 | Eulex | !tell amikrop about ssb |
| 14:50.40 | Eulex | or backport it |
| 14:50.48 | amikrop | Eulex: how? |
| 14:50.57 | Eulex | dpkg just told you |
| 14:50.57 | dpkg | wish i knew, Eulex |
| 14:51.25 | amikrop | ok |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong .. |
| 14:51.57 | do_guh_new | lol |
| 14:51.59 | helo | anyone know how i can tell what messages have been read in an imap Maildir? |
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| 14:52.43 | abrotman | helo: ask the channel for your imap server |
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| 14:54.04 | Eulex | X0op, I believe you should read the useradd man page again. |
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| 14:56.38 | sgh | how do I configure my eth0 without a dhcp-client? |
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| 14:57.23 | Eulex | sgh, you use ifconfig and route. or ip. and iwconfig if it is wireless. |
| 14:57.24 | ravi | hi, which text editor(GUI) supports wildcards in find and replace? |
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| 14:57.40 | sgh | Eulex: I read the manpage for ifconfig, and didnt get it. |
| 14:57.40 | ravi | Not regexp, simple * and ? |
| 14:57.48 | Eulex | ravi, gvim has full regular expression support. |
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| 14:58.24 | Eulex | sgh, hmm well, guess I can't help you read... you got an specific question? |
| 14:58.42 | sgh | just "how to"... |
| 14:59.01 | Eulex | I don't know how you need to configure it, thus I can't answer that question |
| 14:59.21 | ravi | Eulex: regex, vim and emacs support, isn't there editors which support just the wildcards? |
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| 15:00.23 | Eulex | ravi, it's easy to translate * and ? to what they would be in regexes: ? would be . (one of any character), * would be .* (0 or more of any character) |
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| 15:00.57 | ham5 | gedit? |
| 15:01.04 | ravi | Eulex: I tried... it needs more tweaking |
| 15:01.20 | ravi | gedit too supports regex with a plugin |
| 15:01.37 | Eulex | ravi, well, some characters need escaping. |
| 15:01.41 | ravi | plain .* did not work |
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| 15:03.15 | Eulex | and of course, X crashes |
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| 15:14.11 | joshux | why does debian uses an older kernel 2.6.18? (I'm not complaining since only older ones work on my computer :-p ) |
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| 15:15.22 | Eulex | joshux, 2.6.18 was what was well tested when etch was released. |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | and see etchnhalf |
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| 15:17.19 | sgh_ | I need to setup my eth without a dhcp-client. Ive set the ip, netmask and default gateway, and its not working. What do I need to do? |
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| 15:17.47 | tonyb486 | It seems as if sshd's pam service name is 'sshd' now, but it used to be ssh (and with ldap auth the authorizedService is set for ssh), can I force sshd to use 'ssh' as its pam service name |
| 15:17.59 | amikrop | I have installd msttcorefonts but Iceweasel does not use them. How can I make it do so? |
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| 15:19.04 | amikrop | I have installd msttcorefonts but Iceweasel does not use them. How can I make it do so? |
| 15:19.09 | amikrop | sorry |
| 15:19.11 | amikrop | * installed |
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| 15:20.14 | Eulex | sgh_, do you have a route? also, define 'does not work' |
| 15:20.40 | sgh_ | Eulex: a route? does not work = ping doesnt work |
| 15:20.48 | Eulex | sgh, man route |
| 15:21.10 | sgh_ | I did that route command you listed |
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| 15:21.14 | steven_ | hi |
| 15:21.26 | steven_ | anyone got any tips for debugging hard lockups ? |
| 15:21.53 | raz0 | sgh_, What does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like? |
| 15:21.59 | raz0 | and please do define "does not work" |
| 15:22.05 | DogBoy | don't let your cat play in the computer case |
| 15:22.25 | do_guh_new | steven_: not sure I would first check in /var for my logs |
| 15:22.35 | Eulex | ah, right, sorry, you can of course use /etc/network/interfaces too... |
| 15:22.39 | steven_ | do_guh_new: nothing in the logs as all |
| 15:22.55 | sgh_ | raz0: auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 15:22.56 | do_guh_new | steven_: does it freeze randomly? |
| 15:23.08 | cpbills | is there a way to install debian from a running system? or can i install i386 from an AMD64 cd? i'm thinking 64bit is a waste of time, for my needs... |
| 15:23.21 | steven_ | we have about 250 odd servers some of which do occaisionally lock up and have to be hard reset usually it's old machines coming to the end of thier life |
| 15:23.26 | steven_ | and tnothing done about it |
| 15:23.28 | raz0 | sgh_, Well, the dhcp thing on the last line: that tells Debian to use dhcp on interface eth0 |
| 15:23.34 | raz0 | sgh |
| 15:23.41 | sgh_ | raz0: right... |
| 15:23.49 | raz0 | sgh_, you want to change that to iface eth0 inet static |
| 15:23.55 | raz0 | plus add an address, netmask etc. |
| 15:23.57 | steven_ | but ust recently 2 new machines of locked up hard, id like to investigate further rather than just rebooting and waiting for the next time :) |
| 15:24.00 | raz0 | check man interfaces |
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| 15:24.24 | steven_ | it happens vary rarely but still id rather it happen not at all |
| 15:24.28 | do_guh_new | steven_: ah I see, I just had a old pent2 finally die on me, in the same fashion you describe. |
| 15:24.49 | sgh_ | raz0: not working... |
| 15:24.50 | do_guh_new | steven_: Ill poke around see what I can find |
| 15:25.03 | sgh_ | raz0: that means ping outputs unknown host |
| 15:25.06 | steven_ | do_guh_new: weel thats it on the old hardware we kind of figured it wasw hardware related and don't put in the effor to find out |
| 15:25.16 | steven_ | but with new servers i doubt it's hardware related |
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| 15:25.20 | raz0 | sgh_, did you reset the interface? |
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| 15:25.36 | do_guh_new | steven_: right, understand |
| 15:25.38 | sgh_ | raz0: down/up ? |
| 15:25.39 | steven_ | im not sure whats avaiable for logging kernel panics etc etc |
| 15:25.44 | raz0 | sgh_, yep |
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| 15:25.52 | sgh_ | raz0: nothing... |
| 15:26.11 | do_guh_new | it might even be a kernel panic, who knows, could be a myriad of things |
| 15:26.11 | raz0 | sgh_, does ifconfig output look okay? |
| 15:26.45 | abrotman | steven_: you can do remote logging .. |
| 15:26.47 | sgh_ | raz0: Im downloading the .deb and transfering over lan instead. Thanks for your help anyway |
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| 15:26.55 | do_guh_new | steven_: what kernel(s)? |
| 15:26.56 | steven_ | do_guh_new: exactly but if the system currently doesn't log anything usefull to the logs, im sure there must be options somewhere to output more information on lockups |
| 15:27.10 | steven_ | all latest etch 686 |
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| 15:28.10 | steven_ | the hardware is HP blades but i haven't seen any reports of kernel bugs on these |
| 15:28.17 | abrotman | steven_: cooling issues? |
| 15:28.33 | steven_ | abrotman: all temps are monitored and look fine |
| 15:28.53 | sgh | raz0: what kind of protocol can I use to transfer the file from this comp to my linux box? |
| 15:28.56 | steven_ | abrotman: have you seen the fans in the c7000 enlosurers! |
| 15:29.08 | steven_ | it's like a jet taking off when you power the thing on! |
| 15:29.11 | abrotman | that doesn't mean they're working effectively/correctly |
| 15:29.12 | do_guh_new | these are local system freezes right, not network were talking about? |
| 15:29.18 | raz0 | sgh_, a flash pen? :) |
| 15:29.27 | do_guh_new | like a jet eh? scsi drives? |
| 15:29.28 | sgh | raz0: LOL! |
| 15:29.33 | steven_ | abrotman: true :) but all the temps look fine |
| 15:30.09 | steven_ | do_guh_new: yup well they stop responding no access even via ilo serial port |
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| 15:30.42 | steven_ | nothing in the logs from oom killer or shuch |
| 15:30.54 | do_guh_new | hmm |
| 15:31.04 | steven_ | nothing at all lol |
| 15:31.17 | steven_ | just regular logging then nothing |
| 15:31.45 | steven_ | anyway im not interessted in solving these particular cases, just whats avaible for debugging such situations |
| 15:32.22 | do_guh_new | it's just disturbing that it happens on both new and old hardware on your network |
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| 15:32.49 | steven_ | do_guh_new: new hardware only twice |
| 15:32.56 | steven_ | in 6 months |
| 15:33.25 | do_guh_new | have you done the resetting game on the old ones yet? try different memory slots etc etc? |
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| 15:33.35 | steven_ | with 250 machines that's not bad odds but still would like to get some form of logging maybe there is a kernel debugging tool to use ? |
| 15:33.42 | do_guh_new | oh true |
| 15:33.53 | do_guh_new | forgot you had 250 of these beasts |
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| 15:34.15 | steven_ | do_guh_new: no not tried that but hopefully they will get replaced soon old sun servers |
| 15:34.23 | steven_ | but to be fair they have been reliable for years |
| 15:34.49 | do_guh_new | well just a random thought some motherboard chipsets tend to have problems with APIC |
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| 15:35.06 | do_guh_new | could try passing the "noapic" boot parameter |
| 15:35.29 | steven_ | do_guh_new: noapic usually manifests it's self as a lock up at boot from my experrince |
| 15:35.39 | do_guh_new | fair enough |
| 15:36.12 | steven_ | either way im just intressted in option for turning on extra debugging? or getting the kernel to log something on a kernel panic etc etc |
| 15:36.48 | do_guh_new | sure, I'm just throwing out random thoughts |
| 15:36.54 | steven_ | i think im just gonna have to dig through the kernel docs |
| 15:37.01 | do_guh_new | hehe more than likely |
| 15:37.13 | steven_ | but just wondered if someone here had done something similar |
| 15:37.14 | steven_ | :) |
| 15:37.19 | do_guh_new | memory controller problem? |
| 15:37.21 | steven_ | thanks for the help though do_guh_new |
| 15:37.34 | do_guh_new | oh np man, curious as to what the problem may be |
| 15:37.35 | steven_ | do_guh_new: doubt it it's all ECC :) |
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| 15:37.42 | do_guh_new | alright :) |
| 15:37.52 | steven_ | would prolly have some entires in the IML log |
| 15:38.38 | steven_ | ah well time to grep the kernel docs lol |
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| 15:38.46 | steven_ | thanks do_guh_new l8rs |
| 15:38.52 | do_guh_new | yup I'm gonna make a sandwich |
| 15:38.54 | do_guh_new | good luck |
| 15:38.59 | steven_ | thanks |
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| 15:40.04 | Spee_Der | How do I handle this please. I can not use the su -. Somehow it is trashed. |
| 15:40.30 | asg | define 'trashed' |
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| 15:41.11 | Spee_Der | su: Authentication failure |
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| 15:41.33 | Spee_Der | Weird also because I had to reset the router as well. |
| 15:41.39 | Spee_Der | Now, su - does not work. |
| 15:42.28 | do_guh_new | problems with groups and wheels? |
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| 15:42.54 | asg | do_guh_new: that's not enabled by default on debian though |
| 15:43.29 | Spee_Der | I'm only user of this computer. Debian (Etch) |
| 15:43.59 | valdyn | Spee_Der: can you log in as root? |
| 15:44.03 | do_guh_new | well you could check and see if /bin/su has the suid bit set. |
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| 15:44.31 | Tapnzout | is there a linux binary that will split a file/stdin based off the first character into a seperate file? I've done it in perl, works great but i'm just seeing if there is already a binary that does this |
| 15:44.34 | Spee_Der | Which bit is suid please ? |
| 15:44.45 | do_guh_new | or chmod +s /bin/su |
| 15:44.59 | Spee_Der | And, what would change the status of that file in the first place ? |
| 15:45.01 | asg | Tapnzout: cut |
| 15:45.11 | do_guh_new | Spee_Der: who knows |
| 15:45.15 | Spee_Der | No on chmod, I have to be root in order to perform that. |
| 15:45.39 | Spee_Der | Thanks. Back to google and more reading I guess. Thank you. |
| 15:45.50 | Spee_Der | valdyn, No. |
| 15:45.56 | Tapnzout | zcat file.txt.gz | ./x.pl <-- that will split that file into 0..9,a..z files .. and then I sort those. You're saying cut will dynamically be able to redirect the IO to the right files if I do it correct/ |
| 15:46.00 | Tapnzout | gotta go look up cut :) |
| 15:46.02 | Spee_Der | valdyn, That is where it fails. |
| 15:46.03 | asg | Spee_Der: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 15:46.08 | valdyn | Spee_Der: check /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:46.21 | Spee_Der | valdyn, checking. thanks. |
| 15:46.22 | valdyn | Spee_Der: your pam is broken |
| 15:46.29 | asg | Spee_Der: use that advice to reset it if it has somehow become corrupted or changed. At least it will help you get a root shell. |
| 15:46.37 | valdyn | Spee_Der: which means you need to reinstall pam |
| 15:46.57 | valdyn | Spee_Der: which you can only do when booting from a different system and using chroot to get into that broken system |
| 15:47.21 | valdyn | Spee_Der: oh yea, what asg sais will work too |
| 15:47.48 | valdyn | Spee_Der: ..as a path to get pam fixed |
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| 15:50.20 | Spee_Der | Ok. I'm off and working on this. Thanks for the help. bbl |
| 15:50.50 | Spee_Der | I just don't want to start from scratch is all, I have a lot of stuff on this machine..... |
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| 15:59.00 | Tortel | during the install process, what packages are included in the File server configuration? |
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| 16:01.21 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:01.28 | stew | Tortel: smbfs netatalk smbclient swat samba-doc winbind nfs-kernel-server samba smartmontools |
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| 16:05.09 | Tortel | ty stew |
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| 16:08.30 | Spee_Der | asg, I can not thank you enough both you and valdyn! It worked Thank you so very much. |
| 16:08.46 | asg | Spee_Der: you're welcome, glad you got it fixed |
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| 16:11.51 | Fare | where can I find help or docs regarding tweaking initramfs-tools ? |
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| 16:12.59 | mu-dev | google, packages.debian.org, /usr/share/doc/initramfs-tools/*, dpkg -L initramfs-tools |
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| 16:13.15 | mu-dev | there are more places too |
| 16:13.30 | mu-dev | but you havent said anything about what you want to do |
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| 16:15.26 | Fare | I think I wanted to (1) copy my own cryptkeyscript onto the initramfs (which I now think must be done with a hook) |
| 16:15.45 | Fare | (2) configure the cryptkeyscript, which might have to be done at the kernel command-line |
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| 16:17.43 | alekibango | hello, when can i expect kernel 2.6.27 to hit sid ? |
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| 16:19.44 | mu-dev | alekibango: ask the kernel maints |
| 16:20.00 | mu-dev | but before that, an answer: when they're ready |
| 16:20.20 | Fare | "when you join the team and do it" :( |
| 16:20.31 | mu-dev | having said that... have you tried to build one yourself? |
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| 16:20.52 | mu-dev | it might not even work, but it might... is it worth a try? |
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| 16:22.46 | abrotman | alekibango: after lenny releases |
| 16:22.53 | ham5 | Linux localhost 2.6.27.7-h9 #1 SMP Fri Nov 21 07:13:21 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:26.43 | JordiGH | My iwl3945 card won't associate to an AP with Linux 2.6.26, but it works fine with the older 2.6.24 I kept around. Any clue why a different Linux would make a difference? |
| 16:27.52 | cahoot | new firmware needed for the module? |
| 16:27.53 | Fare | JordiGH, I found that I had to manually specify the ap in the iwconfig command |
| 16:28.06 | Fare | JordiGH, can find it with iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 16:28.21 | amphi | JordiGH: do you see anything in the log when you modprobe the module? |
| 16:28.27 | JordiGH | cahoot: I have the latest firmware. |
| 16:28.41 | JordiGH | amphi: I don't see any errors in dmesg when modprobing the module. |
| 16:28.51 | JordiGH | Fare: You mean the essid or the hw addr or both? |
| 16:28.56 | Fare | both |
| 16:28.58 | amphi | iwlist scan works? |
| 16:28.58 | cahoot | JordiGH: date when? |
| 16:29.10 | JordiGH | cahoot: October, firmware-iwlwifi 0.13 |
| 16:29.18 | Fare | iwconfig wlan0 essid ... key ... ap ... |
| 16:29.34 | JordiGH | Fare: Using WPA2? |
| 16:29.35 | amphi | if it was the wrong firmware, there would be bleating in the log |
| 16:30.00 | JordiGH | amphi: Yes, iwlist scan works. |
| 16:30.14 | Fare | JordiGH, use your usual wpa2 config |
| 16:30.25 | amphi | any useful errors from wpa_supplicant? |
| 16:30.42 | JordiGH | Fare: Uh, I usually use NetworkManager... I've never set the wpa stuff manually. |
| 16:30.50 | JordiGH | amphi: I don't know where to look for those errors. |
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| 16:33.03 | cahoot | JordiGH: for whatever use this is I' run 2.6.27 with iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.28.1.8.tgz |
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| 16:33.34 | JordiGH | cahoot: Is that in experimental? |
| 16:33.36 | JordiGH | 2.6.27? |
| 16:33.43 | cahoot | homemade |
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| 16:34.10 | JordiGH | cahoot: Yeah, I don't want to mess around with that. If I don't get it working, I'll just boot my 2.6.24 Linux again. |
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| 16:36.35 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 16:37.42 | JordiGH | Bah. |
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| 16:38.04 | JordiGH | Bah. |
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| 16:41.06 | JordiGH | Meh. I'm gonna wait for the next linux and see if it gets magically fixed there. The only reason I like to boot the 2.6.26 kernel is for cracking WEP keys, since I can't inject packets with 2.6.24 :P |
| 16:41.24 | sander__ | How do I install postgis in debian? |
| 16:41.42 | JordiGH | aptitude install postgis? |
| 16:42.16 | sander__ | Hm.. I already did that.. :-p How do I test if postgis works |
| 16:42.40 | et | try to use it? |
| 16:42.47 | sander__ | I need an example on how to use it |
| 16:43.01 | JordiGH | sander__: Read their docs, ask their community? |
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| 16:44.50 | JordiGH | Oh well. Back to 2.6.24 |
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| 16:46.36 | unixSnob | i see some kernels are tagged as "openvz" and others are tagged with "bpo" |
| 16:46.40 | unixSnob | what's the difference? |
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| 16:47.33 | ma3x | how can i make lftp not use ssl when connecting? |
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| 16:48.08 | abrotman | unixSnob: one is from backports.org, one has openvz support |
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| 16:49.15 | fr00g | hi, what can i do after i forget my passphrase for crypto volume? |
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| 16:50.25 | cahoot | test the validity of you encryption? |
| 16:51.30 | unixSnob | thanks abrotman |
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| 16:56.26 | fr00g | well i have just installed it... and i am asked for this passphrase... i am preatty sure, it is correct, i am getting the message cryptosetup faied bad password or options |
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| 16:57.43 | unixSnob | Any Thinkpad T61 users manage to get sound working? |
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| 16:58.58 | cahoot | unixSnob: sure |
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| 16:59.54 | unixSnob | cahoot: what kernel are you using? did you have to do anything special? |
| 17:00.23 | cahoot | unixSnob: what kernel are you using? |
| 17:00.24 | ham5 | had todo your mom special |
| 17:00.35 | unixSnob | cahoot: sound did not work out of the box for me on 2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 17:01.09 | unixSnob | and in fact, it's been a real pain to get it working manually.. I still don't ahve it working |
| 17:01.16 | cahoot | unixSnob: ok I run a 32bit system - might explain my lack of issues |
| 17:01.16 | unixSnob | the driver doesn't compile |
| 17:01.34 | unixSnob | ah, yeah, that could be relevant |
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| 17:14.28 | Tortel | hmm, im trying to make a new user using useradd |
| 17:14.37 | Tortel | what should I use for the -s parameter? |
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| 17:19.21 | Tortel | nevermind |
| 17:21.23 | mu-dev | the full path to the shell. |
| 17:21.26 | mu-dev | man useradd |
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| 17:21.40 | mu-dev | consider using the wrapper adduser instead |
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| 17:22.02 | mu-dev | it hides a few details that useradd would otherwise expose |
| 17:23.32 | Tortel | I just left -s out, it worked fine |
| 17:23.46 | Tortel | just needed a user to add to samba |
| 17:23.59 | ham5 | cowsay |
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| 17:31.46 | elik_ | say |
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| 17:46.58 | PinkFreud | urgh. is it at all possible to convince rt2860-source (from sid) to build for something other than the currently-running kernel? |
| 17:47.50 | Eulex | PinkFreud, use the -l switch on module-assistant. |
| 17:47.56 | PinkFreud | Eulex: I am. :/ |
| 17:48.23 | Eulex | so thus you're able to build for another kernel than the running one, as long as you have kernel headers for the one you're building for. |
| 17:48.33 | PinkFreud | not quite, alas |
| 17:48.53 | Eulex | in what way is it not working? |
| 17:49.05 | PinkFreud | give me a sec while I put the relevant lines from the build log somewhere. |
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| 17:50.59 | PinkFreud | http://pinkfreud.mirkwood.net/rt2860.txt |
| 17:52.00 | PinkFreud | the Makefile appears to assume one *always* wants to build for the current kernel, no matter what was specified |
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| 17:54.14 | PinkFreud | this is being done in an ia32 chroot on an amd64 system. I've successfully built other modules this way before. |
| 17:54.39 | PinkFreud | this one, however, appears to ignore the specified kernel version. |
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| 17:55.02 | PinkFreud | any ideas on why? |
| 17:55.42 | Eulex | PinkFreud, can be a bug. try patching it. and file a bug. |
| 17:55.45 | eject_ck | where I can find xen + debian doc/howto |
| 17:55.46 | eject_ck | ? |
| 17:56.02 | PinkFreud | Eulex: alas, I don't know THAT much about kernel modules. |
| 17:56.11 | PinkFreud | I've not a clue where the bug lies in the makefile. |
| 17:56.41 | eject_ck | on Etch |
| 17:56.46 | PinkFreud | eject_ck: google? :) |
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| 17:57.50 | Eulex | PinkFreud, search for for example uname |
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| 17:59.22 | Eulex | PinkFreud, you can, however, file a bug. |
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| 18:00.53 | eject_ck | Pink, google return only for sarge I can guess that this is outdated |
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| 18:03.02 | eject_ck | what source I must use instead this deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free if I use testing instead etch dist ? |
| 18:03.33 | abrotman | eject_ck: do your sources point at lenny or testing ? |
| 18:03.41 | eject_ck | testing |
| 18:03.58 | eject_ck | I have this "deb http://debian.org.ua/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 18:04.03 | abrotman | eject_ck: you should point at lenny unless you know better |
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| 18:05.05 | abrotman | eject_ck: change your sources to point at 'lenny' and in the security line change 'etch' to 'lenny' |
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| 18:05.13 | PinkFreud | Eulex: indeed |
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| 18:09.26 | eject_ck | changed |
| 18:10.19 | Tortel | anyone know how to fix a (no mode of this name) error with xorg? |
| 18:10.59 | Eulex | Tortel, what graphics card? is the error from your monitor or from xorg? |
| 18:11.16 | dazjorz | Hmm |
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| 18:11.22 | dazjorz | I'm having problems building a Qt SSL program on Debian |
| 18:11.54 | dazjorz | things like: ../../src/Connection.h:45: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'QSslSocket' with no type |
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| 18:12.45 | dazjorz | I'm using Debian Etch, by the way, and this is a Qt4 app; also, apt-file nor locate could find any Qt + SSL files |
| 18:13.12 | dazjorz | any ideas? |
| 18:13.56 | Eulex | dazjorz, look at the first error occurring. I'd guess that that error is caused by that some header is failing to be included. this will then cause some type to not be declared, which will lead to an error of that kind. |
| 18:14.35 | dazjorz | Eulex: what I pasted was the first error occuring |
| 18:14.43 | dazjorz | according to `make`'s output |
| 18:14.53 | Eulex | dazjorz, ok |
| 18:15.04 | Tortel | Eulex: Im not completely sure what graphics card, its an older model ATI, possibly an ATI 3D Rage XL. Im also pretty sure that the error is from xorg, Ive never had problems with this moniter before. I think Ill pull out my old 21"CRT and run the config with that, it has the same display modes |
| 18:15.33 | Tortel | and damnit, I threw that out |
| 18:15.38 | Eulex | dazjorz, then it could be that you have a too old version of the libraries the program uses. |
| 18:15.55 | Eulex | dazjorz, or that the code it buggy. |
| 18:15.59 | dazjorz | Eulex: I was getting the idea Debian's Qt did not have SSL support at all, not even installable using apt-get. :/ |
| 18:16.11 | dazjorz | apt-file search qssl gives no results. |
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| 18:16.30 | Eulex | dazjorz, etch or lenny/sid? |
| 18:16.52 | dazjorz | Eulex: etch |
| 18:17.34 | Eulex | dazjorz, that would explain it. etch has qt 4.2.1, and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/qsslsocket.html tells us that the class was introduced in 4.3. |
| 18:18.08 | dazjorz | ouch |
| 18:18.10 | dazjorz | thanks, Eulex :) |
| 18:18.12 | Eulex | Tortel, well, I mean, how is the error presented to you? |
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| 18:20.42 | Eulex | dazjorz, might want to ask the developers of that app to put in a check for whatever minimum version of qt they need |
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| 18:21.19 | Tortel | Eulex: its in the log file as: Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name) |
| 18:21.35 | Eulex | Tortel, what xorg driver are you using? |
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| 18:22.12 | joshux | why vi 's behavior is different from vim ? |
| 18:22.16 | Tortel | Eulex: the generic ATI driver |
| 18:22.36 | Eulex | Tortel, 'ati' or 'radeon'? |
| 18:22.43 | Tortel | ati |
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| 18:23.42 | Eulex | Tortel, does the log say anything more about 1280x1024? |
| 18:23.57 | Eulex | Tortel, for example that it's out of hsync or vsync range? |
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| 18:25.58 | Tortel | Eulex: yeah, it actually does. it says insufficient memory for mode (3 times actually) |
| 18:26.39 | Eulex | Tortel, then your graphics card will not be able to support that mode at that bit depth. if you really want it, you could attempt to use it at 16bpp. |
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| 18:27.06 | Tortel | Eulex: that is really odd though, I ran it before with an old CRT |
| 18:27.12 | buntfalke | why does normalize-audio only adjust the last named file in batch mode?! |
| 18:27.17 | Tortel | but Ill try 16bpp |
| 18:27.19 | roxazer | when im trying to ssh to my debian computer i get this message, http://rafb.net/p/Paszf821.html, but my ~/.ssh/known_hosts is empty, how do i fix this? |
| 18:27.31 | roxazer | hi btw |
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| 18:28.00 | trifler | roxazer: You erased the know_hosts on the wrong computer? |
| 18:28.32 | roxazer | trifler: what? |
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| 18:29.05 | xsdg | buntfalke: are you sure about that? |
| 18:29.08 | amikrop | Iceweasel does not use msttcorefonts. How can I make it do so? |
| 18:29.22 | Eulex | Tortel, it may say in the xorg log somewhere how much memory the card has |
| 18:29.28 | xsdg | buntfalke: I've used it before, and it basically did a run through to see the peak amplitudes, then di another run to adjust all of the files |
| 18:29.41 | buntfalke | xsdg: well - i tried it with two batches, and numerous orderings, and it was always the last named file |
| 18:29.50 | Tortel | Eulex: yeah, it work at 16bpp. I thought it ran more before, but whatever. it works now, thanks |
| 18:29.50 | xsdg | buntfalke: are you using the right options? |
| 18:30.05 | Eulex | Tortel, yw |
| 18:30.16 | amikrop | Iceweasel does not use msttcorefonts. How can I make it do so? |
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| 18:30.21 | buntfalke | xsdg: n-a -v -b file1 file2 ... fileN |
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| 18:31.06 | Eulex | Tortel, I once had a laptop that only had 2mb video ram and a 1024x768 lcd and thus only supported running in 16-bit mode with full resolution :) |
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| 18:33.29 | Eulex | Tortel, your card probably has 4mb vram btw |
| 18:33.35 | Tortel | Eulex: I could have sworn it was running 1280x1024 at 24bpp before, it must have been 16bpp |
| 18:33.37 | Tortel | probably |
| 18:33.39 | xsdg | buntfalke: hmm... it looks like how the app works changed, so I'm not sure |
| 18:33.48 | buntfalke | xsdg: in mix mode it applies changes to all files, but then the relative difference between all files is lost, and the song that was meant to be silent in this album, would be just as loud as the rest in the end |
| 18:33.58 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
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| 18:34.10 | xsdg | buntfalke: yeah, that's weird. bugs.d.o? |
| 18:34.12 | Tortel | Eulex: its an old dell poweredge server, dual 933mhz P3s, not the best comp :P |
| 18:34.15 | paxcoder | did anything change with radeon driver while i was gone for debian amd64? any changes? (used to be pretty unstable, is it still?) |
| 18:34.19 | Tim-S | what's the proper way to remove an old kernel after it is upgraded via apt? |
| 18:34.52 | buntfalke | xsdg: plus, if i would simply run "n-a -v -b file1 file2 file3" and next time f2 f3 f1 etc to cycle through all, it wouldnt work properly, because one has already been adjusted, and the values are screwed |
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| 18:35.44 | buntfalke | xsdg: i used b.d.o once, didnt like the interface, the bug is still opened and unchanged after a year or more, and i am not very motivate to try that again... |
| 18:36.09 | xsdg | buntfalke: yeah, no. And if that happens, you should complain at the maintainer (or at upstream, if it was forwarded) |
| 18:36.24 | xsdg | buntfalke: but if there is a problem, it certainly won't be fixed if they don't know about it |
| 18:36.43 | paxcoder | dpkg entry request: <radeon one-liner> |
| 18:36.44 | dpkg | paxcoder: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:36.50 | buntfalke | i know, i know. i just dont really like b.d.o.... |
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| 18:36.59 | Eulex | Tortel, well, hmm, there _could_ have been some change in xorg (added feature or so) that would make it use more vram for a mode (aiglx?). there _could_ also have been a driver change. if the card has more than 4mb vram it should support the mode, so you could try finding out how much it actually has. |
| 18:37.03 | xsdg | buntfalke: err... why not? |
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| 18:37.43 | Eulex | Tortel, if the xorg log doesn't detail it, the memory ranges from lspci -v -s 01:00.0 are usually a good indication |
| 18:38.07 | buntfalke | xsdg: because of it's mail interface for reporting bugs. imho it's wierd. |
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| 18:38.44 | Tortel | Eulex: well, as long as it runs Im fine. It is just going to be running a slideshow, and it will be a hell of alot better than the stupid digital frame I bought before |
| 18:38.54 | Eulex | :) |
| 18:38.55 | xsdg | buntfalke: have you tried using "reportbug"? |
| 18:38.57 | amikrop | Iceweasel does not use msttcorefonts. How can I make it do so? |
| 18:39.37 | Eulex | amikrop, did you restart it since you installed them? |
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| 18:39.38 | peppe | amikrop: what do you mean? |
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| 18:39.43 | adrian_kx | how can i convert reiserfs to ext3 without losing data |
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| 18:39.44 | amikrop | Eulex: sure |
| 18:40.05 | buntfalke | xsdg: Yes, and i also tried the graphical version of it. i just dont really like it...i dunno. might be good for the devs or so, but i'd be happier with a bugzilla-type interface |
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| 18:41.10 | Eulex | amikrop, if a web page specifically wants one of the m$ fonts, does it not get it? |
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| 18:42.23 | akio | where can i find a full listing of official debian repository urls? |
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| 18:42.47 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 18:42.47 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 18:42.57 | akio | i have a powerpc running etch and it complains that the repo isn't there |
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| 18:43.04 | Alexis | Salut ! |
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| 18:43.08 | Alexis | Regardez : |
| 18:43.09 | Alexis | alexis ~ $ su |
| 18:43.09 | Alexis | Password: |
| 18:43.09 | Alexis | root /home/alexis # kate |
| 18:43.09 | Alexis | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 18:43.22 | Alexis | Je comprends pas pourquoi çà ma mis ça :/ |
| 18:43.32 | Alexis | ah tous les progz ça me le fait :/ |
| 18:43.37 | buntfalke | xsdg: upstreams seems dead since '05 btw |
| 18:43.52 | abrotman | !fr |
| 18:43.52 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:44.02 | abrotman | and why would you want to run kate as root ? |
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| 18:44.14 | Eulex | akio, some mirrors may not have powerpc packages. |
| 18:44.21 | Alexis | for edit a file at root. |
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| 18:44.36 | akio | the main one says it has powerpc but the comp can't see them |
| 18:44.43 | akio | the main list |
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| 18:44.56 | abrotman | Alexis: try sux |
| 18:45.01 | Alexis | sux ? |
| 18:45.02 | Eulex | akio, how does the sources.list line look? |
| 18:45.03 | akio | i'm trying to bring an iMac G3 266 back to life |
| 18:45.13 | akio | i have to go downstairs to look, brb |
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| 18:46.07 | buntfalke | Alexis: edit in terminal. 'nano' is simple to use. |
| 18:46.24 | Alexis | no, i wanna kate |
| 18:46.28 | Alexis | want* |
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| 18:47.32 | peppe | Alexis: then I'd suggest you to set up sudo properly ; otherwise, a quick&dirty workaround is xhost + ; su - ; export DISPLAY=":0.0" ; kate |
| 18:48.04 | Alexis | peppe, i'm not verry good at english :/ |
| 18:48.21 | peppe | Alexis: I'm not good at french :) |
| 18:48.55 | Alexis | :D |
| 18:49.00 | Alexis | So, any idea ? |
| 18:49.02 | stoned | Hello debian people. If you people care, pray for my brother, he has blood clots in his heart and he is in the hospital and he could die and doctors are trying thier best |
| 18:49.11 | stoned | please. |
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| 18:49.19 | stoned | Thanks. |
| 18:49.50 | peppe | stoned: why you are on IRC and not in the hospital or with your loved ones?!? |
| 18:50.01 | stoned | 3000 miles apart. |
| 18:50.04 | peppe | Alexis: I told you already... |
| 18:50.14 | stoned | I have to go to mosque to pray, bye. |
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| 18:50.20 | peppe | stoned: oh, I'm sorry about that, it looked so strange |
| 18:50.42 | akio | i guess my question is how do i verify that ftp.us.debian.org has powerpc packages? |
| 18:50.49 | akio | binary debs? |
| 18:50.51 | abrotman | it does |
| 18:51.13 | abrotman | United States ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ alpha amd64 arm armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
| 18:51.22 | akio | then the installer or the nic is borked |
| 18:51.31 | PinkFreud | grumbles |
| 18:51.34 | abrotman | akio: did you ask the PPC channel ? |
| 18:51.45 | akio | didn't know there was one |
| 18:51.47 | mns | akio: or your network route it borked |
| 18:51.53 | PinkFreud | rt2860 is *buggy* |
| 18:52.06 | akio | PinkFreud: what do you have? |
| 18:52.08 | mns | akio: can ping debian.lcs.mit.edu ? |
| 18:52.15 | paxcoder | what do i need in order for the switch "-t experimental" to work with apt-get? |
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| 18:52.45 | PinkFreud | akio: hardware? |
| 18:52.45 | abrotman | you need experimental sources |
| 18:53.04 | paxcoder | abrotman: won't it then automatically pull from then? |
| 18:53.13 | akio | is it debian-ppc? |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | not if you do it right |
| 18:53.21 | abrotman | !tell akio about ppc |
| 18:53.34 | PinkFreud | akio: ppc? no. x86. |
| 18:53.53 | PinkFreud | akio: why? |
| 18:53.55 | mns | Wouldn't pinning help paxcoder for what he wants to do ? |
| 18:53.58 | akio | ? |
| 18:54.09 | Lagbolt | paxcoder, it wont pull in experimental packages unless you use -t experimental. (even with the sources) |
| 18:54.11 | PinkFreud | <akio> PinkFreud: what do you have? |
| 18:54.25 | akio | i thought you were grumbling becuase you had bad experience with my G3 type |
| 18:54.28 | mns | akio: #debianppc |
| 18:54.33 | akio | ty |
| 18:54.50 | Lagbolt | paxcoder, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:55.03 | paxcoder | Lagbolt: get new radeon and mesa, for 3d to work |
| 18:55.17 | PinkFreud | akio: no, I'm annoyed with rt2860 |
| 18:55.24 | paxcoder | Lagbolt: wouldn't adding it and updating it pull experimental then? |
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| 18:55.29 | Lagbolt | paxcoder, ah, i have no ati experience :( |
| 18:55.33 | akio | is that a usb chip? |
| 18:55.52 | mns | Lagbolt: is that specific to experimental, that apt-get will not pull it unless you explicitly put a -t, even if you have it in the sources.list file ? |
| 18:55.55 | Lagbolt | paxcoder, experimental will not be used without the -t experimental. i have the sources but i get no experimental packages without specifically useing that switch |
| 18:55.58 | PinkFreud | akio: it's a wireless chipset. in this case, it's on a pci card. |
| 18:56.21 | PinkFreud | and the driver for it, in sid, doesn't actually appear to work. |
| 18:56.23 | paxcoder | Lagbolt: and how could the same effect be made with unstable? (just asking) |
| 18:56.23 | amikrop | Eulex: No, it doesn't. |
| 18:56.32 | jnilsson | hi guys |
| 18:56.33 | jnilsson | anyone can help me with a armel network issue? |
| 18:56.39 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 18:56.42 | peppe | PinkFreud: hm, rt2x00 does already support rt2860? |
| 18:56.42 | mns | Lagbolt: do you have a /etc/apt/prefrences file ? |
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| 18:56.48 | Lagbolt | paxcoder, you can set a preferred release |
| 18:56.55 | Lagbolt | mns i am not asking :) |
| 18:57.07 | amikrop | Eulex: Any ideas? |
| 18:57.15 | Eulex | amikrop, can other programs use them? |
| 18:57.23 | amikrop | Eulex: I don't know. How can I check? |
| 18:57.27 | paxcoder | Lagbolt: dpkg has no entry? |
| 18:57.29 | mns | Lagbolt: I know :) Just curious about how you have things setup so that you have to use -t explicitly for experimental. |
| 18:57.32 | PinkFreud | peppe: the rutilt package? |
| 18:57.38 | amikrop | Eulex: I don't think I have another program that could use msttcorefonts. |
| 18:57.58 | mns | Eulex: OpenOffice |
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| 18:58.00 | Lagbolt | mns, as far as i know experimental will not come without the -t. i made no changes for that |
| 18:58.02 | Eulex | amikrop, various programs have a font selection dialog. |
| 18:58.15 | Lagbolt | mns however i set up my system to prefer testing so that unstable packages do not come in either |
| 18:58.18 | Eulex | mns, for example. |
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| 18:58.52 | PinkFreud | peppe: the only packages that are returned for a search of rt2x00 are rt2400-source, rt2500-source, rt2570-source, and rutilt |
| 18:58.53 | amikrop | Eulex: Abi Word can use Times New Roman, Comic Sans MS, etc... |
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| 18:59.44 | peppe | amikrop: what do you mean by that? doesn't firefox display those fonts in pages or what? |
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| 18:59.56 | Lagbolt | !tell paxcoder about pinning |
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| 19:00.03 | peppe | PinkFreud: no, that's just a manager... rt2x00 are a family of drivers for ralink devices |
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| 19:00.11 | paxcoder | Lagbolt: thx |
| 19:00.12 | amikrop | peppe: exactly |
| 19:00.16 | peppe | but I think that you must use a "legacy" driver |
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| 19:00.34 | PinkFreud | peppe: I'm not seeing a specific debian package for rt2x00 |
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| 19:00.48 | peppe | amikrop: there is a switch in firefox that prevents pages to use other fonts rather than those you specify in its font dialog |
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| 19:01.07 | peppe | PinkFreud: they're already included in vanilla kernel |
| 19:01.20 | PinkFreud | ahh |
| 19:01.27 | mns | Lagbolt: you set it up using the prefrences file in /etc/apt, yes ? That would explain why you need to use -t |
| 19:01.54 | Lagbolt | mns, for unstable yes. but experimental will not come without -t |
| 19:02.20 | amikrop | peppe: where? |
| 19:02.24 | peppe | PinkFreud: but as I said, i think you must use another driver |
| 19:02.36 | PinkFreud | yeah, doesn't find my card |
| 19:02.41 | PinkFreud | this is fairly new - 802.11n |
| 19:02.46 | amikrop | peppe: This switch is enabled. |
| 19:02.51 | peppe | amikrop: somehere in its preferences, content -> fonts |
| 19:03.01 | amikrop | peppe: This switch is enabled. |
| 19:03.26 | peppe | amikrop: can you select some ms font within that dialog? |
| 19:03.26 | mns | Lagbolt: you seem to be right. I removed my prefrences file and tried to do an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' and ended up getting nothing. had to explicitly specify -t ... I like that bit of safety |
| 19:03.33 | PinkFreud | the rt2860 driver does find my card. It's just useless as it happily ignores the ioctl used to set the essid on the device. |
| 19:03.53 | PinkFreud | it's somewhat difficult to connect to a wireless network if one can't specify it's essid |
| 19:04.05 | amikrop | peppe: yes |
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| 19:04.21 | peppe | amikrop: hm, strange then |
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| 19:04.27 | amikrop | peppe: I know :P |
| 19:05.27 | BCM43 | I have a problem with gnome, it shows static like this across all applications and on the top bar. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8585/screenshot3dr1.png |
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| 19:05.40 | peppe | PinkFreud: eek, you're pretty doomed. you must use the legacy ralink drivers, and they've lots of problems... |
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| 19:05.57 | Eulex | BCM43, that looks like a bug in your graphics driver. |
| 19:06.08 | BCM43 | Eulex: any idea how to fix it? |
| 19:06.10 | abrotman | BCM43: i asked you last week if you had tried the vesa driver |
| 19:06.26 | peppe | BCM43: which graphic card? which driver? |
| 19:06.27 | BCM43 | abrotman: yes. I had not |
| 19:06.28 | BCM43 | sorry |
| 19:07.45 | BCM43 | I have Intel 82830 CGC |
| 19:08.51 | peppe | what's that? an i915? |
| 19:09.18 | Eulex | no, an 830 |
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| 19:09.24 | PinkFreud | peppe: I'm just wondering how a, uh, *small* bug like this escaped notice. |
| 19:09.36 | abrotman | BCM43: did you try the vesa driver yet? |
| 19:09.41 | Eulex | PinkFreud, I assume most build for their current kernel. |
| 19:09.55 | PinkFreud | Eulex: actually, that bug has already been reported |
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| 19:10.00 | Eulex | PinkFreud, ok |
| 19:10.00 | PinkFreud | I worked around it. |
| 19:10.11 | BCM43 | abrotman: I'm not sure how to? |
| 19:10.19 | PinkFreud | Eulex: The issue at hand is the driver ignoring the ioctl used to set essid |
| 19:10.29 | peppe | PinkFreud: because it's a legacy and bugged driver |
| 19:10.33 | peppe | as I told you :) |
| 19:10.45 | roxy1 | I had 2 hdd with lvm partition on it. 1 got distroyed, I got the other one and would like to get some data out of it. I have /dev/sd2~13 being lvm partition. How could I mount them ? |
| 19:10.52 | PinkFreud | peppe: how is this legacy? the chipset is fairly recent. |
| 19:11.02 | Eulex | PinkFreud, oh, nvm me then |
| 19:11.12 | abrotman | roxy1: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:11.27 | roxy1 | abrotman: hdd is running debian |
| 19:11.31 | peppe | PinkFreud: I mean, there are two family of drivers, the ones made by ralink itself ( http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html ) and the rt2x00 project |
| 19:11.45 | abrotman | you're running ubuntu |
| 19:11.47 | BCM43 | abrotman: how do I install them? |
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| 19:12.11 | abrotman | BCM43: they already are installed .. you can either specify in xorg.conf or maybe with X -configure |
| 19:12.20 | BCM43 | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 19:12.27 | PinkFreud | peppe: this *is* ralink's rt2860 driver :) |
| 19:12.28 | roxy1 | abrotman: no, I am running a ubuntu live CD, the only I got on hand, trying to save a debian hdd. |
| 19:12.30 | peppe | the first one are considered legacy since they (are bugged and) don't use any of newer kernel frameworks for networking and wireless |
| 19:12.56 | BCM43 | ok, I'll be back if it works |
| 19:13.00 | BCM43 | or does not |
| 19:13.47 | peppe | and it's very common for them to break as soon as the kernel changes a little bit, and so on (the usual things that happen when you've out-of-tree drivers) |
| 19:14.23 | peppe | moreover they don't use any of standard userspace tools, but for instance you must use iwpriv to set WEP/WPA keys and so on |
| 19:14.37 | dwer | liable: how are things down under/ |
| 19:14.40 | peppe | (at least for rt2500, I don't know much about rt2800) |
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| 19:15.01 | PinkFreud | peppe: hmmm. README for rt2860 indicates iwconfig is supported |
| 19:15.08 | PinkFreud | it just doesn't seem to do much :) |
| 19:16.08 | dwer | can I chatabout Lenny here is should I be elsewhere? |
| 19:16.16 | peppe | PinkFreud: iwconfig of course, but not wpa_supplicant and so on (so you can't use for instance network-manager) |
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| 19:16.35 | PinkFreud | actually, it appears to support wpa_supplicant as well |
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| 19:16.41 | peppe | with rt2500 even iwconfig essid fails if you don't do a certain sequence of calls |
| 19:16.43 | PinkFreud | I'm not using it, though |
| 19:17.20 | roxy1 | when trying to mount I get: mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' |
| 19:17.25 | peppe | such good priorities they have, they fixed wpa_supplicant and not iwconfig essid ... |
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| 19:20.13 | roxy1 | vgdisplay output a lot of line like: |
| 19:20.15 | wahnnfrieden | hi |
| 19:20.21 | wahnnfrieden | is debian linux? |
| 19:20.35 | roxy1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.36 | roxy1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.05 | akio | can someone point me in the direction of a good primer to understanding startup scripts? the runlevels/editing/init.d stuff, update.rc thing |
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| 19:21.56 | akio | or should i be learning upstart? |
| 19:22.27 | mkhlnsh | hi. i need to install debian from a usb stick. is there any tutorial about how to write the contens of the 1st iso to a usb in a "best" way? |
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| 19:22.48 | PinkFreud | peppe: ick |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 19:24.39 | dpkg | usb install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 19:25.34 | mkhlnsh | abrotman, thanks. :) |
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| 19:26.36 | Spee_Der | wahnnfrieden, yes. |
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| 19:33.06 | PinkFreud | interesting. |
| 19:33.19 | PinkFreud | iwpriv shows that my iwconfig commands are actually working |
| 19:33.43 | PinkFreud | it just fails to show the settings via iwconfig until it gets a connection |
| 19:33.46 | PinkFreud | how silly |
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| 19:36.45 | roxy1 | does lvm keeps logical partition on the same physical partition ? |
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| 19:37.54 | tarik | bs |
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| 19:38.07 | alekibango | sorry for lag... mu-dev: yes i can do one myself, but i want to have debian one :) |
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| 19:39.55 | asg | roxy1: volume groups, which contain logical volumes, can span multiple hysical volumes |
| 19:41.35 | roxy1 | asg: mine does, but I only got 1 out of 2 hdd left. Is there a way to get some data out of it? |
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| 19:41.46 | roxy1 | asg: here is lvmdiskscan: |
| 19:41.52 | roxy1 | http://pastebin.com/m2f640bef |
| 19:42.44 | rideh | where does debian store desktop backgrounds when using gnome? |
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| 19:44.10 | asg | roxy1: you can move extents to different physical drives; can't see the url at the moment since I'm on a phone |
| 19:44.14 | OpenTokix | rideh: /usr/share/somwheree probably |
| 19:44.22 | rideh | ty |
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| 19:44.27 | abrotman | asg: are you still lunching? |
| 19:44.34 | rideh | OpenTokix, i was looking through there with limited success |
| 19:44.41 | OpenTokix | rideh: oki |
| 19:44.55 | OpenTokix | rideh: im in windows currently, sorry |
| 19:45.07 | asg | abrotman: nah, back home for now |
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| 19:45.10 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:45.19 | rideh | OpenTokix, np i'll keep looking |
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| 19:45.37 | jmonreal | what is MMCONF? |
| 19:45.41 | copyofjohan | what is kmmcd? |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:46.29 | abrotman | need context |
| 19:46.31 | copyofjohan | or what is the problem at http://paste.debian.net/22060/ in line 3016? |
| 19:47.06 | copyofjohan | it happened when waking up from suspend. |
| 19:47.31 | copyofjohan | kmmcd is a process with pid 1699. |
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| 19:48.42 | hellues | hey |
| 19:48.52 | hellues | i am using poıwernowd |
| 19:49.05 | hellues | whie powernowd starting it says sysfs not found |
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| 19:49.13 | rideh | OpenTokix, found it. /usr/share/images/ or /usr/share/pixmaps/ |
| 19:49.26 | OpenTokix | rideh: nice, good to know |
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| 19:49.39 | OpenTokix | rideh: I usually just add my ~/Pictures/wallpapers |
| 19:49.39 | hellues | but i have this line sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 19:49.54 | hellues | but it said sysfs objects not found |
| 19:50.32 | roxy1 | asg: how does moving the extents allows me to see what is inside the partition. I have 9 partition, all part of a single lvm group, vol1 (some partition might be missing). In this vol1, I have 'lvm' parition, one of which being /home/ . The goal is to get as much as data from /home as possible. |
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| 19:54.20 | roxy1 | asg: a lvscan output error: Couldn't find all physical volumes for volume group vol1. |
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| 19:58.49 | baron1804 | anyone know how to set up linux so i can fxp |
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| 20:01.37 | abrotman | baron1804: which version of linux? |
| 20:01.45 | stoned | ok back whats up |
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| 20:02.04 | abrotman | baron1804: apt-cache search fxp .. i see many programs |
| 20:02.12 | stoned | no one has packaged php-gtk2 yet |
| 20:02.13 | stoned | wtf |
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| 20:02.38 | abrotman | so get on it |
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| 20:03.19 | baron1804 | abrotman debain |
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| 20:03.38 | roxy1 | do i *have to* mount a partition to read file on it ? |
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| 20:05.57 | baron1804 | i dont even know how to install it |
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| 20:06.02 | baron1804 | my ass is goin back to windows |
| 20:06.07 | baron1804 | haha |
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| 20:08.30 | kunwon1 | gtk bindings for php? that sounds like a practical joke |
| 20:09.01 | simonrvn | it isn't |
| 20:09.10 | Actium | I have a working debian etch system that I just put a VT6421 raid controller and a terabyte sata drive, how do I set this up? I tried modprobing the right kernel module but I'm not really sure what to do next |
| 20:09.13 | stoned | kunwon1, whats the matter with you? |
| 20:09.21 | stoned | are you half retarded or fully retarded? |
| 20:09.36 | stoned | no disrespect meant, just a question I was wondering. |
| 20:09.37 | Actium | php-gtk ;P |
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| 20:09.54 | kunwon1 | i was just trolling, no need to get in a huff |
| 20:09.56 | stoned | oops.opsat.net has a pacakge. |
| 20:09.59 | gewt | !tell gewt abotu etchhalf |
| 20:10.06 | stoned | kunwon1, np then |
| 20:10.09 | stoned | I thought you were serious |
| 20:10.10 | stoned | :) |
| 20:10.15 | simonrvn | gewt: /msg dpkg |
| 20:10.24 | gewt | it neve rworks then >< |
| 20:10.27 | gewt | !tell gewt about etchhalf |
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| 20:10.42 | stoned | its not a deb package, its actually an installer written in php that sets up php-gtk etc. |
| 20:10.56 | stoned | I could try to pacakge it :( |
| 20:11.55 | roxy1 | how can I read a file on a partition I can't mount ? |
| 20:12.05 | stoned | there was someone asking about some application that retags music files from musicbrainz automatically with least errors in tagging |
| 20:12.19 | stoned | I was thinking about writing an app in php-gtk to do just that |
| 20:12.45 | stoned | roxy1, why can't you mount it? |
| 20:13.07 | roxy1 | stoned: it is part of a lvm group |
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| 20:13.42 | stoned | oh |
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| 20:14.01 | hellues | hey |
| 20:14.11 | hellues | i have acer aspire 5720g |
| 20:14.18 | hellues | my fan works slowly |
| 20:14.23 | hellues | how can i control fan |
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| 20:14.32 | roxy1 | stoned: but one of the partition of the volume has been lost |
| 20:14.38 | hellues | powernowd or cpufreqd doesnt work on my system |
| 20:14.52 | hellues | are there other tool that work like cpufrqd or powernowd |
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| 20:16.11 | Actium | I have a working debian etch system that I just put a VT6421 raid controller and a terabyte sata drive, how do I set this up? I tried modprobing the right kernel module but I'm not really sure what to do next.. it hasn't shown up in /dev |
| 20:16.25 | hellues | my computer 95 c |
| 20:16.30 | hellues | and i am not glad |
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| 20:18.09 | xsdg | hellues: have you tried googling for "acer aspire fan control" or something? I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure cpufreq/powernow aren't what you need |
| 20:18.22 | xsdg | hellues: that is, they control the cpu frequency, not the fan speeds |
| 20:18.35 | hellues | yes |
| 20:18.52 | hellues | i try something googling |
| 20:19.04 | hellues | what tool controls the fan |
| 20:19.31 | hellues | my comp is 95c |
| 20:19.40 | hellues | but my fun doesnt work almost |
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| 20:24.10 | paxcoder | hey, something strange is happening to me. after i have updated my system, new gnome system preferences thingy was installed, and now my page up button gives the char / /////// see? looks like my arrow keys aren't working either. i can't press F1 and thus can't reach ttyS' help? |
| 20:24.21 | hellues | i think my fan works not good because of debian |
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| 20:24.53 | pflanze | Hello. I've got a long standing question: what do you do to log into other users (with su or sux) so that the current tty is writable by the user? like, "screen" reporting Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/78' |
| 20:24.59 | paxcoder | oh yeah, keyboard layout is otherwise ok, and says it's the same |
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| 20:25.08 | gewt | errrrrrrr |
| 20:25.09 | pflanze | short of doing chown $destuser '/dev/pts/78' |
| 20:25.20 | gewt | somehow i managed to chown the entire fielsystem to a specific user >< |
| 20:25.32 | gewt | BY CHOWNING RECURSIVELY A HOME DIRECTORY |
| 20:25.37 | paxcoder | gewt: hehe |
| 20:25.41 | paxcoder | that's fun |
| 20:25.45 | lunaphyte | when exactly are scripts in if-up.d executed? |
| 20:25.58 | iKs | Hey, I feel like my CPU is freezing from time to time : the music or video I'm playing stops playing until I move my mouse or type something, basically until I "wake it up" with input... |
| 20:25.59 | lunaphyte | oh, nvm. duh. |
| 20:26.07 | iKs | Is that a known bug or could be easily explained? |
| 20:26.10 | gewt | paxcoder, is it possible to fix it? |
| 20:26.13 | iKs | Should I fill a bug report? |
| 20:26.28 | paxcoder | gewt: i don't see how to do it. |
| 20:26.43 | paxcoder | gewt: changing owner to root to all but /home might be risky |
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| 20:26.58 | paxcoder | gewt: did permission stay the same? |
| 20:27.00 | Throat | gewt, easily, you just play in your backups... |
| 20:27.10 | gewt | paxcoder, afaik yes |
| 20:27.14 | gewt | Throat, no backups |
| 20:27.14 | mmlj4 | "How can I hose my system? Let me count the ways..." |
| 20:27.16 | gewt | recent install |
| 20:27.21 | gewt | and yes permissions are the same |
| 20:27.23 | Jemt | Is it possible to keep the size on /var/log down somehow? I have logs as heavy as 100 MB |
| 20:27.32 | gewt | just owned by the user ircd |
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| 20:27.56 | paxcoder | wish my friggin keys would work |
| 20:27.57 | iKs | Jemt, are they tar.bzip2ed ? |
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| 20:28.02 | iKs | actually not tared |
| 20:28.07 | kqr | how can i enable restricted ati video drivers in debian? i have them installed, how do i enable them? (i do not understand how debians xorg.conf works ^^) |
| 20:28.12 | paxcoder | gewt: i don't know. try it |
| 20:28.30 | Throat | !backups |
| 20:28.31 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data, or see <things to backup> |
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| 20:29.28 | paxcoder | Throat: you're not suggesting backing up root are you? |
| 20:29.53 | Throat | no, he changed the permissions of /home |
| 20:30.12 | paxcoder | Throat: that's easy to revert |
| 20:30.20 | Throat | and man, am I lucky there are these other guys in the parallel dimensions to keep my backups |
| 20:30.41 | pflanze | gewt: theoretically, there should be no safety risk if you chown everything to root, *except* setuid and setgid programs and directories. Those you'll have to examine manually what the right owner is. |
| 20:30.42 | Throat | paxcoder, possibly |
| 20:30.46 | Jemt | iKs: Nope, txtfiles |
| 20:30.57 | paxcoder | ls to read to $string, to chown $string ./$string -r |
| 20:31.09 | pflanze | gewt: but this will still give you tons of errors of apps not getting permissions until you found out all the right owners over time. |
| 20:31.29 | gewt | pemrissions are fine |
| 20:31.32 | iKs | Jemt, logrotate |
| 20:31.33 | gewt | just owners are brked |
| 20:31.48 | Jemt | iKs: Ok, I'll look into that. Thanks :) |
| 20:32.07 | Throat | well, for packages you can just reinstall them all... |
| 20:32.19 | Throat | might even have a lot of them in the local packages archive |
| 20:32.21 | paxcoder | my page down key acts like that dropdown-menu keys from other keyboards |
| 20:32.31 | paxcoder | wonder where's my super :-P |
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| 20:32.50 | pflanze | Throat: but I don't think most packages will alter permissions of files+dirs if those exist already. |
| 20:32.59 | gewt | nothign seems to not work |
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| 20:33.28 | paxcoder | gewt: fresh install can be a good thing |
| 20:33.35 | paxcoder | just copy home |
| 20:33.53 | Throat | pflanze, hmmm... not sure - reinstall really means remove/install the package - but you might be right for the configuration files |
| 20:33.57 | paxcoder | gewt: i mean, i don't know what to tell you. |
| 20:34.19 | pflanze | Throat: exactly, and var and run directories, and tmp dirs,.. |
| 20:34.24 | gewt | paxcoder, im not even sure i chowned the entire filesystem |
| 20:34.29 | gewt | it might of just been /home |
| 20:34.41 | gewt | and some of /var/run |
| 20:34.42 | Actium | how do I setup a new sata drive? it's already in my system but not detected by fdisk |
| 20:34.45 | eljefe | check your history ? |
| 20:34.48 | paxcoder | gewt, well try to revert for each user, and restart |
| 20:34.51 | pflanze | gewt: what was the command you issued? |
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| 20:34.52 | paxcoder | if it boots, good :-) |
| 20:35.00 | eljefe | Actium is it detected by the BIOS? |
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| 20:35.11 | gewt | chown -R /home/ircd/ ircd |
| 20:35.19 | gewt | but i think i put a space after ircd |
| 20:35.21 | Jemt | BRB |
| 20:35.38 | pflanze | gewt: well, then you chowned "/" ... |
| 20:35.42 | pflanze | recursively |
| 20:35.56 | eljefe | yeouch |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | gewt: you have command history |
| 20:36.07 | gewt | im just reinstalling |
| 20:36.09 | pflanze | if you mean a space /home/ircd / <-before that slash |
| 20:36.47 | pflanze | anyway, chown takes the user *first*, |
| 20:36.58 | pflanze | so the command as given isn't what you've issued. |
| 20:36.59 | Throat | hehe... well, could have been worse... could have been rm -rf |
| 20:37.22 | stoned | simonrvn, http://stoned.pastebin.com/f10cbf9d8 hehehe |
| 20:37.24 | gewt | i've done that before |
| 20:37.28 | gewt | on an extra dbeian system |
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| 20:37.37 | gewt | i meant to rm -rf / AFTER burnign an ISO |
| 20:37.43 | gewt | and if forgot to burn the ISO |
| 20:37.46 | stoned | simonrvn, this is so cool and easy to implement |
| 20:37.50 | stoned | simonrvn, I love php-gtk2 |
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| 20:38.01 | hyper__ch | is there a way to change the default home folder for new users to a different location? |
| 20:38.20 | stoned | yeh there is |
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| 20:38.41 | hyper__ch | stoned: google is for once not helpful... if you could give me a pointer |
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| 20:39.34 | stoned | yes |
| 20:39.41 | stoned | man adduser.conf |
| 20:39.45 | stoned | I think |
| 20:39.55 | stoned | or man adduser I guess |
| 20:40.00 | stoned | one of those two |
| 20:40.16 | hyper__ch | stoned: adduser.conf is right :) thx |
| 20:40.17 | stoned | DHOME The directory in which new home directories should be created. Defaults to /home. |
| 20:40.20 | stoned | yup |
| 20:40.21 | stoned | there ya go |
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| 20:42.31 | stoned | alright, I'm gonna file an ITP for php-gtk |
| 20:42.38 | stoned | !itp |
| 20:42.39 | dpkg | itp is probably Intent To Package, or a bug which is filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package which indicates that someone is working on packaging a piece of software for debian. This is done to avoid the duplication of work. |
| 20:42.47 | stoned | uhm |
| 20:42.51 | stoned | how exactly do i do that again? |
| 20:43.04 | stoned | oh bug report |
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| 20:44.41 | stoned | ah |
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| 20:44.57 | stoned | Debian party tonight in Pacific Standard brooklyn |
| 20:45.16 | stoned | they have good brews there |
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| 20:46.59 | hellues | hey |
| 20:47.06 | hellues | i have a problem with my fan |
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| 20:47.40 | stoned | ##hardware? |
| 20:47.42 | hellues | i am using debian lenny acer aspire 5720g.My temprature is 85 C.I am bored.Are there a tool to control fan |
| 20:47.45 | hellues | because |
| 20:47.53 | hellues | my fan works slowly |
| 20:48.01 | hellues | should i go to hardware ? |
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| 20:48.18 | stoned | perhaps |
| 20:48.28 | hellues | hmm |
| 20:48.28 | stoned | I'm not aware of anny universal software that can control the fan |
| 20:48.30 | Maliuta | 85C and nothing is melting? |
| 20:48.36 | stoned | the fan has to be controllable |
| 20:48.40 | hellues | did you sugggest something |
| 20:48.46 | hellues | my computer is 85C |
| 20:48.50 | stoned | Maliuta, do you know the melting point of silicon? |
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| 20:49.16 | Maliuta | stoned: more concerned about some of the plastics involved |
| 20:49.24 | stoned | at 85? |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | hellues: apt-cache search fan speed .. there are numerous apps to control the fan speed via acpi |
| 20:49.37 | Maliuta | 85 is hot |
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| 20:50.05 | hellues | no |
| 20:50.06 | stoned | abrotman, ye... name one. |
| 20:50.13 | Maliuta | at 65 I'm fine with it. at 75 I'd be "interested", at 80 I look at shutting things down |
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| 20:50.51 | abrotman | he can search just as well as you or i |
| 20:51.04 | Maliuta | hellues: if you want it to run cooler you need to look at a number of things ... speedstepping is one |
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| 20:51.20 | stoned | abrotman, so you can't name one? |
| 20:51.26 | stoned | mhmm. |
| 20:51.35 | oOarthurOo | ahhh.... lovely. I figured since Lenny was frozen and so close to release it would finally be safe to recompile the kernel and enable PHC support. Finally got around to doing it two days ago. Today, a kernel update. |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | he can search just as well as you or i |
| 20:51.39 | oOarthurOo | ha |
| 20:51.43 | stoned | abrotman, so you can't name one? |
| 20:52.19 | abrotman | i'll tell you later at Pacific Standard |
| 20:52.23 | Maliuta | cat works with some drivers |
| 20:52.46 | paxcoder | did anyone ever have a problem where his keys in the middle, between numeric and letters didn't work? |
| 20:52.47 | Maliuta | all you do is set something in /proc or /sys and the fans speed changes |
| 20:53.01 | paxcoder | i don't have Alt key i think |
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| 20:53.12 | paxcoder | and insert home, page up are messed up too |
| 20:53.15 | stoned | so you can't name one? just one? one teeny tiny lil' fan control app? |
| 20:53.29 | paxcoder | help please |
| 20:53.48 | abrotman | stoned: apt-cache search fan control ... don't be so lazy |
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| 20:54.10 | stoned | yeh.. I did that long before your sugesstions |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | paxcoder: did you mess up your keymap ? |
| 20:54.17 | stoned | I see nothing. |
| 20:54.24 | abrotman | sorry you have reading problems |
| 20:54.24 | paxcoder | abrotman: actually probably |
| 20:54.25 | stoned | which is why I keep asking you to name one if you know of one |
| 20:54.29 | paxcoder | yeah, that's what i did |
| 20:54.37 | paxcoder | how to autoconfigure if possible? |
| 20:54.41 | stoned | but of course you know nothing more than telling him to search |
| 20:54.43 | abrotman | !tell paxcoder about keymap |
| 20:54.46 | stoned | so you're not really a lot of help are you |
| 20:54.51 | stoned | im sure he knows apt-cache search and google |
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| 20:55.01 | abrotman | then apparently he has the same problem you do |
| 20:55.07 | stoned | and you |
| 20:55.11 | stoned | you can't name one either... |
| 20:55.13 | Maliuta | stoned: toshset |
| 20:55.16 | paxcoder | abrotman: an idea: can i just copy old xorg? |
| 20:55.18 | stoned | thats why you keep putting it off? |
| 20:55.24 | paxcoder | *.conf |
| 20:55.24 | Maliuta | stodan: STFU |
| 20:55.30 | stoned | Maliuta, /ignore stoned |
| 20:55.47 | asg | stoned: most people can't google basic info in here |
| 20:55.55 | abrotman | dpkg: Maliuta++ |
| 20:56.07 | abrotman | paxcoder: depends what was in it |
| 20:56.20 | fonzarelli | mask |
| 20:56.22 | stoned | asg, let me post the output of apt-cache search fan speed |
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| 20:56.30 | stoned | THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT FAN SPEEDS! |
| 20:56.39 | paxcoder | abrotman: well lets say its the same like the one i had before this thing happened |
| 20:56.40 | stoned | you honestly think I'm blind or can't read? |
| 20:56.43 | stoned | how fucking moronic are you? |
| 20:56.45 | stoned | seriously |
| 20:56.50 | abrotman | refrains from answering |
| 20:57.24 | abrotman | paxcoder: so backup your current one, and put the original back, and restart X to see |
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| 20:57.45 | Jemt | stodan: What repositories (apt-get) are enabled on your set up ? |
| 20:57.53 | stoned | asg, abrotman, Maliuta, http://stoned.pastebin.com/d47aa19c8 |
| 20:57.54 | Jemt | stoned* |
| 20:57.55 | stoned | enjoy |
| 20:58.03 | Jemt | (sorry, stodan ) |
| 20:58.04 | stoned | Jemt, sid, nonfree nontrib |
| 20:58.14 | Jemt | enable contrib as well |
| 20:58.21 | stoned | s/nontrib/contrib |
| 20:58.26 | Jemt | Goodie |
| 20:58.30 | stoned | look at the output |
| 20:58.45 | stoned | find me a single app that controls fan in that search tem abrotman said to search for |
| 20:58.54 | stoned | then tell me if I'm blind or cant' read |
| 20:58.56 | stoned | please. |
| 20:58.59 | Jemt | stoned: There are a lot of programs matching "apt-get search fan" and "fan speed" |
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| 20:59.22 | stoned | http://stoned.pastebin.com/d47aa19c8 |
| 20:59.23 | stoned | where? |
| 20:59.25 | stoned | show me one |
| 20:59.50 | stoned | # |
| 20:59.50 | dcnoye | can someone paste a couple of their sources.list somewhere ? |
| 20:59.51 | stoned | v toshiba-fan - |
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| 21:00.00 | stoned | this is the only thing and its a virtual no installable package |
| 21:00.01 | dcnoye | s/couple/copy |
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| 21:00.20 | abrotman | dcnoye: what's wrong with yours? |
| 21:00.21 | oOarthurOo | stoned: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=debian+control+fan+speed&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
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| 21:00.39 | stoned | oOarthurOo, but thats not from the package cache search... |
| 21:00.42 | hellues | Maliuta, speedstepping |
| 21:00.42 | stoned | its google. |
| 21:00.44 | dcnoye | abrotman: it's emtpy |
| 21:00.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: will try. thx |
| 21:00.46 | hellues | googling it ? |
| 21:00.55 | stoned | yeh I'm nog talking about gogole |
| 21:01.02 | stoned | I'm talking about apt-cache search fan speed |
| 21:01.10 | stoned | no resuls here on my end... so am I blind or cant' read |
| 21:01.11 | stoned | pick one |
| 21:01.15 | Jemt | stoned: Pastebin your sources.list file |
| 21:01.17 | stoned | I showed you the output |
| 21:01.19 | Jemt | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:01.19 | stoned | ok |
| 21:01.22 | abrotman | !tell dcnoye about sources.list |
| 21:01.45 | abrotman | !tell dcnoye about mirrors |
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| 21:02.10 | Maliuta | hellues: it's _one_ of the things you should be doing ... go read some docs on cooling and power usage |
| 21:02.20 | hellues | yes |
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| 21:02.21 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/22066/ |
| 21:02.22 | stoned | here |
| 21:02.23 | hellues | i search it |
| 21:02.27 | stoned | this is my sources.list |
| 21:02.29 | Jemt | stoned: Also, if you modified sources.list, you did remember to do 'apt-get update' afterwards, right ? |
| 21:02.41 | abrotman | wonders where this is going ... |
| 21:02.42 | stoned | Jemt, dude I've been on debian for close to 8.5 years |
| 21:02.45 | stoned | yes I'm aware of that :) |
| 21:02.53 | Jemt | stoned: Ah, good |
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| 21:03.10 | Jemt | Sid? I'm using Etch. Don't know anything about the packages available in Sid |
| 21:03.25 | stoned | yeh, no fan speed shit here |
| 21:03.33 | stoned | and abrotman still can't name one |
| 21:03.39 | stoned | I wonder if hes pulling that out of his ass |
| 21:03.48 | Jemt | stoned: You should know mainly Etch is supported in here. Mostly you are on your own when using Unstable and Exp. |
| 21:03.57 | stoned | I am not asking for support :) |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | Jemt: leave stoned alone |
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| 21:04.04 | stoned | I don't need to control a fan as I'm not overheating |
| 21:04.16 | Jemt | stoned: I would appriciate if you showed people some respect. They don't get money for helping you out in here. |
| 21:04.27 | stoned | no, but they can provide good help |
| 21:04.34 | stoned | I can also tell peoele to search for themselves |
| 21:04.37 | abrotman | Jemt: leave stoned alone .. last request |
| 21:04.37 | dcnoye | thanks abrotman |
| 21:04.44 | Jemt | stoned: If they want to |
| 21:05.16 | stoned | if you are not going to provide good help then whas the point of being here? I'm sure you can program a bot to tell peopel to go search for themsevles too, why even have a support channel then |
| 21:05.21 | stoned | but whatever |
| 21:05.38 | stoned | looks like hes about to go haywire and ban/quiet people so whatever, thats what it boils down to |
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| 21:05.50 | stoned | when you know you've been cornered for being a twit, you kick in op mode. |
| 21:05.54 | stoned | whatever. |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | i have apps in my apt repos that control fan speed .. i'm sorry you can't read .. have a nice day |
| 21:06.48 | kqr | can i generate a correct xorg.conf somehow? the one i have now seems very, very... unhelpful... (i mean, it works, but i don't understand it at all) |
| 21:06.48 | stoned | and I'm sure you can read but are too stubborn and egotistical to see otherwise, and my outputted pastebin |
| 21:06.58 | stoned | Good day to you too sir. |
| 21:07.24 | oOarthurOo | stoned: I'm confused... are you asking for help because you think your repos aren't working correctly, or are you trying to find an app to control fan speed? |
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| 21:07.38 | elik_ | isn't stoned a frequent contributor to debian? |
| 21:07.39 | stoned | neither. I was trying to make a point. Point made. |
| 21:07.49 | abrotman | kqr: in lenny/sid, it's all done with auto-detection .. if you really want to create one, X -configure |
| 21:08.02 | elik_ | Or I'm mistaken? |
| 21:08.06 | roxy1 | where can I get a how to on file recovery ? |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | stoned: since you are incapable of reading .. things like set the hard drive spin-down time, turn off the display |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.07 | stoned | elik_, drop it. |
| 21:08.09 | Actium | eljefe: it's connected to a pci card, so no |
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| 21:08.20 | kqr | abrotman: okey, because i need to change video drivers, can i do that outside of xorg.conf? |
| 21:08.23 | abrotman | look .. constrols the fan speed ... |
| 21:08.28 | elik_ | stoned, aw, c'mon, I just got in |
| 21:08.37 | abrotman | elik_: let it go .. he'll go off on you too .. |
| 21:08.38 | stoned | I'm sorry what? |
| 21:08.40 | stoned | I can't read |
| 21:08.46 | stoned | what are you saying abrotman ? |
| 21:08.58 | abrotman | alekibango: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:08.59 | paxcoder | abrotman: it didn't help. you know what i think caused it. i catted /dev/urandom in terminal. any clue? |
| 21:09.08 | elik_ | stoned, how about you go take a walk.. there is snow here, that would cool you down |
| 21:09.16 | abrotman | paxcoder: type "reset" .. see if it resets your terminal |
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| 21:09.32 | abrotman | paxcoder: did you try logging out/in ? |
| 21:09.35 | roxy1 | trying google on "linux file recovery" just give me a lot of companies doing recovery |
| 21:09.38 | paxcoder | abrotman: yes, and restarting |
| 21:09.41 | stoned | I'm calm. I just don't take shit from people. |
| 21:09.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:09.52 | stoned | elik_, you're right anyway. Later. |
| 21:09.57 | elik_ | later stoned |
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| 21:10.10 | paxcoder | abrotman: i don't want to restart just like that. do you think it would help? |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | paxcoder: which keymap is wrong ? |
| 21:10.28 | abrotman | paxcoder: in X? console? xterm? gnome-terminal? konsole? |
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| 21:10.43 | paxcoder | abrotman: gnome terminal |
| 21:10.48 | Actium | how do I setup a new sata drive? it's already in my system but not detected by fdisk, it's connected to a pci sata controller |
| 21:10.57 | abrotman | Actium: uname -a |
| 21:11.01 | paxcoder | insert, home, page up/down, delete, end etc |
| 21:11.11 | abrotman | paxcoder: if you switch to the console, is the key map correct? |
| 21:11.20 | paxcoder | abrotman: i can't switch |
| 21:11.22 | abrotman | paxcoder: gnome also has its own keymap setting |
| 21:11.31 | paxcoder | abrotman: i resetted those too |
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| 21:11.38 | Actium | abrotman: Linux russ-server-debian-2 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP date i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:12.09 | abrotman | Actium: is this the only drive connected to the controller ? |
| 21:12.13 | paxcoder | i did: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:12.13 | Actium | yes |
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| 21:12.20 | paxcoder | abrotman: and that what you gave me. |
| 21:12.23 | abrotman | Actium: and you've never used it before? on this machine ? |
| 21:12.34 | Actium | abrotman: no, I just attatched it |
| 21:12.36 | abrotman | paxcoder: logging out of gnome didn't help either ? |
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| 21:12.47 | paxcoder | abrotman: no. |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | Actium: lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID (end of the line) |
| 21:12.56 | oOarthurOo | Anyone use gmpc... I installed it but couldn't even add a library. |
| 21:12.58 | abrotman | paxcoder: do you have another WM you can try? |
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| 21:13.16 | paxcoder | abrotman: well, yeah. ok, i'll let you know in a sec |
| 21:13.31 | hellues | Maliuta, my temprature 95C after rebooting my temp go down 50C |
| 21:13.54 | hellues | is it possible :D |
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| 21:14.18 | hellues | what is the applet that shows fan speed on debian ? |
| 21:14.21 | hellues | which applet |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | hellues: is your ACPI working correctly ? |
| 21:14.43 | hellues | i dont know how can i be sure my acpi working correctly ? |
| 21:14.50 | stoned | well mission accomplished. My badering made him help instead of just advising to use apt-cache |
| 21:14.53 | stoned | elik_, :) |
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| 21:15.11 | abrotman | stoned: but you were still wrong .. again |
| 21:15.24 | stoned | whatever helps you sleep at night brother. |
| 21:15.45 | elik_ | Guys, c'mon, you are the two who always help everyone... |
| 21:15.54 | abrotman | FSVO help |
| 21:16.09 | hellues | and my temp increase not it is 95C |
| 21:16.18 | elik_ | 95, sounds harmful |
| 21:16.26 | Octalot | stoned: just saw where you went wrong. When abrotman asks you to use apt-cache search, don't use aptitude search |
| 21:16.44 | fonzarelli | put a fresh coat of arctic silver on that cpu |
| 21:16.48 | stoned | Octalot, I see |
| 21:16.52 | stoned | Octalot, that could do it. |
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| 21:17.03 | stoned | now, my question is this |
| 21:17.06 | abrotman | at least i'll sleep! :) |
| 21:17.13 | stoned | what exactly are the differences between the two search modes |
| 21:17.14 | Actium | abrotman: I looked up the kernel module, it's sata_via, I modprobe'd it, nothing happened. the pci id is 11063249 |
| 21:17.17 | paxcoder | abrotman: that didn-t help |
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| 21:17.27 | abrotman | paxcoder: moment |
| 21:17.29 | paxcoder | although i managed to get out to console |
| 21:17.35 | paxcoder | i mean ttz |
| 21:17.37 | stoned | but also, abrotman didn't be to be so egotistical, he could have simply said to me 20 mins ago to use apt-cache and not aptitude... |
| 21:17.37 | paxcoder | ttty |
| 21:17.39 | paxcoder | tty |
| 21:17.40 | Actium | abrotman: nothing in dmesg about it, either. I tried adding it to /etc/modules.conf and rebooting, still nothing in dmesg |
| 21:17.50 | stoned | what exactly are the differences between the two search modes of apt and aptitude? |
| 21:17.57 | abrotman | stoned: i did |
| 21:17.57 | stoned | where is the documenation for this |
| 21:18.16 | fonzarelli | stoned: which two commands? apt-cache search and what else? |
| 21:18.21 | stoned | aptitude search |
| 21:18.23 | Octalot | stoned: that would require him to read what you posted and see what you were using, instead of assuming you'd cut and paste. |
| 21:18.42 | abrotman | Actium: does the BIOS display for the constroller when the system boots ? |
| 21:18.44 | stoned | Octalot, I pasted 2 times myoutput |
| 21:18.45 | abrotman | Octalot: i did |
| 21:18.48 | paxcoder | abrotman: basically ttz turns out to work fine. |
| 21:18.52 | Octalot | (which I only did because I was curious) |
| 21:18.54 | abrotman | Octalot: and he ignored what i typed .. yay! |
| 21:18.55 | stoned | fonzarelli, so any idea? |
| 21:19.08 | paxcoder | so logic would say its xorg. but i copied old conf, and nothing happened |
| 21:19.10 | fonzarelli | stoned: i'm looking at the man pages for both |
| 21:19.14 | Octalot | abrotman: that wasn't intended to be a complaint about you :) |
| 21:19.16 | stoned | deliberately ignored or lost in the channel traffic, who can tell |
| 21:19.17 | abrotman | paxcoder: you fubared your gnome settings it seems |
| 21:19.24 | stoned | fonzarelli, so am I |
| 21:19.31 | grndslm | stoned: one thing is that when you use aptitude, it doesn't search the description of the package... only the name |
| 21:19.38 | stoned | fonzarelli, I also have other resources open as well but I can't can't find a disctinction |
| 21:19.47 | stoned | grndslm, ahhh |
| 21:19.49 | paxcoder | abrotman: but as i told you i resetted them afterwards |
| 21:19.56 | paxcoder | and it didn-t help |
| 21:19.57 | abrotman | paxcoder: all of them ? |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | paxcoder: try it as a new user |
| 21:20.07 | stoned | grndslm, I wonder what the option for apt.conf is to enable that desc search |
| 21:20.18 | Piper69 | freshly installed etch, when i do 'apt-get install gnome-core' i get E: Couldn't find package gnome-core... what is wrong? |
| 21:20.27 | paxcoder | abrotman: i did dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 21:20.34 | paxcoder | i can only do that as root |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | that's not going to help gnome |
| 21:20.44 | grndslm | stoned: dunno, i usually use aptitude always... |
| 21:20.46 | paxcoder | abrotman: no sorrz, not that |
| 21:20.47 | Actium | abrotman: no, but it appears I was mistaken about sata_via's output.. it outputs this http://pastebin.com/de1e3857 |
| 21:20.49 | abrotman | Piper69: paste your sources in a pastebin |
| 21:21.01 | paxcoder | abrotman gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard |
| 21:21.10 | paxcoder | twice |
| 21:21.14 | abrotman | paxcoder: try as a new user |
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| 21:21.27 | abrotman | Actium: apt-cache search etchnhalf .. grab the etchnhalf kernel for your CPU |
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| 21:21.30 | Piper69 | abrotman: is there is a way i can do that from terminal, sine i don't have GUI yet |
| 21:21.32 | paxcoder | abrotman: why_ is that going to help? |
| 21:21.33 | stoned | I had originally didn't figure the two to output differently |
| 21:21.41 | abrotman | Piper69: /j #flood |
| 21:21.42 | stoned | I had figured apt-cache would returnt he same result as aptitude |
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| 21:21.48 | stoned | hence the misunderstanding |
| 21:21.54 | stoned | but I need to find this option for apt.conf |
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| 21:22.14 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ <-- here too but still can't find nothing |
| 21:22.14 | Piper69 | how would i use it |
| 21:22.30 | abrotman | Piper69: in your IRC client .. from Debian .. /join #flood |
| 21:22.38 | stoned | chapter 2 customizing |
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| 21:22.56 | grndslm | stoned: if you figure it out... lemme know |
| 21:22.59 | stoned | anyone wanna help try to find this option to enable aptitude to also search like apt-cache (if this exists) |
| 21:23.44 | Octalot | it exists, it's documented somewhere in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 21:23.51 | Octalot | no |
| 21:24.06 | grndslm | hah |
| 21:24.13 | grndslm | anybody heard of a voip usb device like MagicJack that works with linux? |
| 21:24.17 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 21:25.42 | stoned | ?description(description), ~ddescription |
| 21:25.44 | stoned | Matches packages whose description matches the regular expression description. |
| 21:25.46 | stoned | found it |
| 21:25.49 | stoned | sort of |
| 21:25.57 | acutedeath | I'm very concerned because my modprobe -l produces no output. How might I have wrecked this? |
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| 21:26.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: didn't help either. |
| 21:27.01 | abrotman | which didn't help ? |
| 21:27.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: another user |
| 21:27.23 | abrotman | acutedeath: depmod -a ? |
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| 21:27.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: hey, i noticed that i didn't have same layout in gnome as in another wm, how do you set that up? |
| 21:27.49 | paxcoder | maybe that helps |
| 21:28.01 | acutedeath | abrotman: no output |
| 21:28.10 | abrotman | acutedeath: it's not supposed to |
| 21:28.22 | abrotman | paxcoder: gnome has an applet to set the keymap |
| 21:28.32 | paxcoder | abrotman: yes, i did that |
| 21:28.39 | abrotman | paxcoder: System->Preferences->Keyboard |
| 21:28.39 | paxcoder | that's why it's correct in gnome |
| 21:28.45 | paxcoder | other than the said keys |
| 21:28.45 | abrotman | acutedeath: modprobe -l any better ? |
| 21:28.46 | kqr | i have installed fglrx, but how do i enable it? |
| 21:29.17 | acutedeath | abrotman: yes. I don't follow what I just did though |
| 21:29.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: so layout is ok now (in gnome), but page up/down and thing still don't work |
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| 21:29.47 | abrotman | acutedeath: man depmod |
| 21:29.54 | acutedeath | k |
| 21:29.59 | abrotman | paxcoder: sounds like your keymap isn't quite right .. what did you choose for a keymap ? |
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| 21:30.28 | paxcoder | abrotman: i chose my local map |
| 21:30.32 | paxcoder | but look. |
| 21:30.35 | paxcoder | it's all ok |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | i chose a generic 104 key .. and all my keys work except the goofy extra IBM keys i never botherd to do anything with |
| 21:30.36 | kqr | i have installed fglrx, but how do i enable it? (i have tried adding a driver-section in xorg.conf, but x won't start. i have tried aticonfig, but that one segfaults) |
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| 21:30.53 | smacnay | snd_pcsp - the bane of blacklisting. |
| 21:31.00 | paxcoder | abrotman: good layout just some keys don't work |
| 21:31.10 | smacnay | Can't seem to keep it from grabbing the primary sound card slot |
| 21:31.41 | paxcoder | i hate this keyboard stuff when it gets messed up |
| 21:31.56 | paxcoder | you can't do anything without keyboard |
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| 21:32.25 | abrotman | paxcoder: you could make a custom keymap |
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| 21:32.39 | paxcoder | abrotman: it worked a minute ago :,-( |
| 21:33.02 | paxcoder | abrotman: about your question: i had 105 generic ( intl )PC |
| 21:33.29 | abrotman | i thought you were in the states ? |
| 21:33.35 | abrotman | or are you the one from peru ? |
| 21:33.49 | paxcoder | me? no |
| 21:33.55 | paxcoder | i'm from elsewhere |
| 21:34.05 | alekibango | abrotman: when do you think lenny will be released? |
| 21:34.17 | abrotman | WIR, SIYH |
| 21:34.25 | alekibango | :D |
| 21:34.26 | smacnay | what is the setup command for alsa? |
| 21:34.27 | abrotman | thought paxcoder was from WA |
| 21:34.34 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about alsa one-liner |
| 21:34.34 | kqr | det värsta är ju att #debian också failar på sin egen dist |
| 21:34.39 | kqr | whoops ^^ |
| 21:34.45 | kqr | i have installed fglrx, but how do i enable it? (i have tried adding a driver-section in xorg.conf, but x won't start. i have tried aticonfig, but that one segfaults) |
| 21:34.53 | kqr | i meant |
| 21:35.02 | abrotman | i can see how that would be confusing |
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| 21:35.26 | paxcoder | abrotman: so, basically i can switch layouts and it works, everything but some keys, like pgup which always prints slash (and slash on numeric keypad prints insert) |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | paxcoder: but it all worked correctly at one time |
| 21:36.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:36.37 | paxcoder | yes |
| 21:36.44 | paxcoder | until i did: cat /dev/urandom |
| 21:36.52 | paxcoder | (i presume that's what happened) |
| 21:37.09 | paxcoder | although i thought it's only going to affect the gnome terminal in one tab |
| 21:37.20 | paxcoder | so i don't know if it really was that |
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| 21:39.35 | paxcoder | abrotman: i also installed experimental drivers, and mesa, and i installed (regular, testing) updates which contained some gnome settings related thingy |
| 21:40.11 | abrotman | experimental drivers could do it |
| 21:40.46 | paxcoder | abrotman: had them before at one point though :-) |
| 21:40.51 | stoned | kqr, uhm... how did you setup fglrx? |
| 21:41.01 | paxcoder | and i don't see why they'd be the prob |
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| 21:41.10 | paxcoder | !tell stoned about fglrx one-liner |
| 21:41.15 | abrotman | uh .. they're experimental |
| 21:41.16 | stoned | paxcoder, uhm... |
| 21:41.24 | stoned | I'm the unofficial ATI guy here ... ;) |
| 21:41.26 | paxcoder | abrotman: lol |
| 21:41.34 | abrotman | you are? |
| 21:41.40 | stoned | apparantly |
| 21:41.55 | stoned | and I wasn't the one who said that... I can't recall but it was a few people who said it |
| 21:41.58 | kqr | stoned: uh, how am i meant to setup fglrx? i did the steps through module-assistant |
| 21:42.06 | paxcoder | stoned: people usually make sense when they talk |
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| 21:42.08 | stoned | so I figured why not, I now enough about it why not help |
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| 21:42.17 | abrotman | paxcoder: and you haven't restarted the computer at all yet? |
| 21:42.23 | paxcoder | abrotman: i did |
| 21:42.28 | paxcoder | abrotman: once |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:42.32 | stoned | kqr, ok, can you lsmod|grep fglrx? |
| 21:42.34 | paxcoder | abrotman: and logged in out few times |
| 21:42.45 | stoned | kqr, also, I could use the log files |
| 21:42.53 | paxcoder | abrotman: as i said in tty, it seemed to have worked |
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| 21:43.01 | kqr | stoned: lsmod | grep fglrx gives me nothing |
| 21:43.01 | abrotman | paxcoder: might be time to use xev to see what events are being sent |
| 21:43.03 | stoned | kqr, and any console output |
| 21:43.11 | stoned | kqr, then as root, modprobe fglrx |
| 21:43.24 | kqr | stoned: also, i really appreciate your help, feels really relieving xD |
| 21:43.27 | stoned | though postinst of fglrx-kernel package 'should' have modprobed it |
| 21:43.39 | kqr | stoned: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 21:43.48 | stoned | aha |
| 21:44.01 | Actium | abrotman: now the output is http://pastebin.com/d24b39ecc and it's still not in /dev |
| 21:44.07 | simonrvn | as root, silly |
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| 21:44.25 | stoned | simonrvn, I'm sure he did as root |
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| 21:44.34 | abrotman | Actium: try a different pci slot .. and maybe a different sata port |
| 21:44.49 | stoned | otherwise it would say modprobe is not existing program I think no? wait.. I think modprobe is in /sbin isn't it |
| 21:45.08 | simonrvn | "operation not permitted" |
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| 21:45.19 | simonrvn | i.e., you can't do that, luser |
| 21:45.30 | stoned | heh |
| 21:45.31 | paxcoder | abrotman: well, all i see is keyboard sending wrong signals. like when i press numeric keypad enter, it registers as key up |
| 21:45.42 | stoned | no I mean that error is from modprobe |
| 21:45.54 | simonrvn | duh |
| 21:45.54 | stoned | if you don't do it as root, you can't even launch modprobe as its in /sbin and not in default user path anywhere |
| 21:45.57 | stoned | or in /usr/bin |
| 21:46.05 | abrotman | paxcoder: your keymap is still wrong then |
| 21:46.08 | stoned | so if you can't even launch modprobe, how would modprobe give an error/ |
| 21:46.12 | kqr | simonrvn && stoned: i am root |
| 21:46.15 | kqr | ;) |
| 21:46.16 | simonrvn | /sbin/modprobe |
| 21:46.16 | stoned | about not permitting |
| 21:46.19 | paxcoder | abrotman: well i really did what you said i should do |
| 21:46.20 | kqr | at least while modprobing |
| 21:46.25 | paxcoder | all of it |
| 21:46.27 | smacnay | abrotman: sorry, that wasn't what I was looking for - there is a command to have alsa find cards and set them up. I can't remember it, |
| 21:46.34 | abrotman | alsaconf ? |
| 21:46.35 | stoned | man you know today is not my dady |
| 21:46.37 | stoned | dady |
| 21:46.39 | stoned | fuck... day* |
| 21:46.49 | smacnay | abrotman: hmmm, let me see |
| 21:47.03 | hc | yes, alsaconf |
| 21:47.07 | simonrvn | stoned: who's your dady? |
| 21:47.10 | smacnay | abrotman: that was it - |
| 21:47.14 | stoned | simonrvn, shaddup! ;) |
| 21:47.14 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 21:47.46 | Piper69 | abrotman: the only line that is not commented in /etc/apt/source.list is " deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 21:47.55 | abrotman | that's wrong |
| 21:48.07 | simonrvn | that's odd, i've only seen that when i didn't sudo/su - |
| 21:48.19 | abrotman | Piper69: you need real sources |
| 21:49.07 | simonrvn | that's not a real source, you need more than that. that only has a few select packages. |
| 21:49.08 | Eulex | that's not only wrong, an upgrade with that config might break your system |
| 21:49.15 | kqr | simonrvn / stoned any idea why that happens, then? |
| 21:49.19 | simonrvn | s/might/will/ |
| 21:49.24 | stoned | kqr, #ati |
| 21:49.28 | kqr | x) |
| 21:49.30 | kqr | will try |
| 21:49.32 | stoned | also |
| 21:49.36 | stoned | I mean im looking |
| 21:49.39 | Piper69 | abrotman: Eulex how to fix it |
| 21:49.45 | stoned | kqr, which debian release? |
| 21:49.51 | abrotman | Piper69: where are you geographically ? |
| 21:49.57 | kqr | stoned: lenny |
| 21:49.59 | stoned | ok |
| 21:50.06 | Eulex | Piper69, add an official mirror line for your debian release. |
| 21:50.09 | Piper69 | abrotman: usa |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | yeah .. where? state? |
| 21:50.26 | Piper69 | abrotman: cali |
| 21:50.32 | simonrvn | denial |
| 21:50.53 | simonrvn | the glorious state of de nile |
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| 21:51.05 | Eulex | is not a river in egypt |
| 21:51.09 | abrotman | deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:51.09 | stoned | kqr, whats your kernel version |
| 21:51.18 | abrotman | Piper69: and |
| 21:51.19 | stoned | it is more than likely a kernel/driver version mistmatch |
| 21:51.25 | kqr | stoned: 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 21:51.35 | kqr | stoned: 'ccording to uname -r |
| 21:51.36 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:51.38 | stoned | no |
| 21:51.38 | simonrvn | possibly yes. check dmesg |
| 21:51.42 | stoned | thats your currently running kernel |
| 21:51.48 | stoned | Make sure that your kernel sources (maybe headers too) are the same version as your running kernel. |
| 21:52.00 | stoned | you build the module using later sources perhaps? |
| 21:52.08 | stoned | maybe an update you did ? |
| 21:52.13 | stoned | but thats the most likely cause |
| 21:52.33 | Piper69 | abrotman: add that line or replace it with the existing one |
| 21:52.44 | stoned | uname -r |
| 21:52.45 | abrotman | add both |
| 21:52.55 | stoned | ls -l /usr/src/linux |
| 21:53.04 | stoned | tell me if both versions match |
| 21:53.26 | kqr | pley |
| 21:53.28 | kqr | okey* |
| 21:53.30 | Eulex | Piper69, keeping the old one you had is optional. you decide. if you added it before, you should know what it does. |
| 21:53.59 | kqr | stoned: they do |
| 21:54.00 | Throat | if he knew what he did, he'd never had had this as the only line |
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| 21:55.07 | stoned | brb |
| 21:55.10 | stoned | mom called |
| 21:55.13 | stoned | :/ |
| 21:55.14 | Eulex | Throat, well, yeah |
| 21:56.15 | stoned | back anyway ok so they match then. ok, so when you built the module, do you have that output, did everything go ok? |
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| 21:57.05 | kqr | stoned: i built it just a few hours ago |
| 21:57.22 | kqr | stoned: it seems it went okey, but module-assistant don't give that much output :/ |
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| 21:57.32 | sgh | I need help to install a driver. I get some errors trying to make it, and I think this is what I need to do: 1. find out where the kernel source it located, and 2. symlink it to /lib/modules/2.6.23-1-686/build |
| 21:57.54 | stoned | kqr, have you checked BTS for fglrx bugs? |
| 21:58.04 | kqr | stoned: BTS? |
| 21:58.09 | stoned | bug tacker |
| 21:58.10 | stoned | !bts |
| 21:58.11 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 21:58.13 | Eulex | sgh, sure you just don't need the kernel headers? |
| 21:58.42 | sgh | Eulex: I installed those. I thought so too. Well, google thought so. Im such a noob ;) |
| 21:58.59 | stoned | yeh its listed |
| 21:58.59 | Piper69 | abrotman: now i am getting GPG error |
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| 21:59.04 | Eulex | sgh, can you show us your errors? |
| 21:59.09 | Throat | Eulex, you're not waiting if he's ever going to tell what driver he wants to build without someone asking? :) |
| 21:59.11 | stoned | kqr, fglrx-kernel-src: can build module, but not modprobe it |
| 21:59.15 | abrotman | Piper69: /topic |
| 21:59.19 | stoned | kqr, which video card do you have? |
| 21:59.29 | kqr | stoned: uh lemmesee |
| 21:59.32 | stoned | kqr, you can possibly use radeon driver? I use it, and it works great with 3d |
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| 21:59.39 | stoned | kqr, lspci|grep VGA |
| 21:59.39 | Piper69 | abrotman: thank you |
| 21:59.41 | sgh | root:/home/rt73-k2wrlz-3.0.2/Module# make |
| 21:59.41 | sgh | make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build' |
| 21:59.41 | sgh | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
| 21:59.41 | sgh | make[1]: Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build' |
| 21:59.41 | sgh | rt73.ko failed to build! |
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| 21:59.43 | Eulex | Throat, sgh, yeah, that's a good question |
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| 21:59.53 | Eulex | sigh |
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| 21:59.55 | kqr | stoned: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M |
| 22:00.00 | Throat | well, idiot :) |
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| 22:00.02 | stoned | oh man |
| 22:00.02 | stoned | c'mon |
| 22:00.08 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.13 | kqr | xD |
| 22:00.13 | sgh | Eulex: can I pm u? |
| 22:00.27 | Throat | !tell sgh -about paste |
| 22:00.41 | sgh | didnt work Throat :/ |
| 22:00.42 | kqr | stoned: i was told i needed, because alot of 3d apps go slow, and a few other things behave strangely |
| 22:01.12 | Throat | sgh, it did... you should have a private message from dpkg |
| 22:01.18 | stoned | kqr, I use r |
| 22:01.29 | Eulex | sgh, please use a pastebin. also, there are both prebuilt rt73 packages and a source package in testing and unstable. if you're running etch, you could backport the source package. |
| 22:01.41 | stoned | kqr, I use radeon driver in sid and it works beatifully, I can do compiz-fusion as well as game at the same time and play movies |
| 22:01.53 | stoned | kqr, I have X1900XT r590 chipset |
| 22:01.58 | sgh | Eulex: I run lenny... and I didnt understand nothing about that =) |
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| 22:02.17 | Shani`_ | hello :) |
| 22:02.22 | Eulex | sgh, there's a rt73-source package. is there a reason that you can't use it? |
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| 22:02.37 | Piper69 | abrotman: okay , i updated the key but still i get the GPG error |
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| 22:02.50 | Eulex | sgh, oh heck, there's even a rt73-modules-2.6.26-1-686 package |
| 22:02.53 | stoned | kqr, the bug is there and you can build it, but not probe it, so maybe you can try the radeon driver or use fglrx from ati.amd.com |
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| 22:02.57 | sgh | Eulex: I didnt realize that |
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| 22:03.03 | abrotman | Piper69: you can ignore that til you get X running |
| 22:03.04 | zambaboo | guys trying to debootstrap a system from an ancient rh-7.1 box, chroot fails saying that the kernel is too old. anything i can do about this? |
| 22:03.06 | abrotman | we can fix it later |
| 22:03.09 | sgh | Eulex: thank you so much, Ill have a look into it! |
| 22:03.11 | Throat | sgh, what we're saying, why do you need to compile... and if so why not from the debian package |
| 22:03.15 | Piper69 | abrotman: k |
| 22:03.24 | kqr | stoned: hmm, i've not tried compiz, but a 3D game runs at, like 5 fps mostly (and, yes, the same game on the same card ran alot better with arch linux ^^ (not sure of which driver that was, though)), and also, another game looks strange in the menus, and should look good on most hardware |
| 22:03.27 | stoned | judd versions fglrx-kernel-src |
| 22:03.28 | judd | stoned: fglrx-kernel-src -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-7-2 sid/non-free: 1:8-7-3 experimental/non-free: 1:8-10-1 |
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| 22:03.48 | stoned | hm, ok nm on the bug, it shouldn't apply to this version |
| 22:03.55 | kqr | :/ |
| 22:03.56 | sgh | Throat: I didnt realize there was a package. |
| 22:04.02 | Piper69 | abrotman: but, i still get that E: couldn't find pkg gnome-core |
| 22:04.15 | stoned | but there is no update on it and last post is someone asking if someone else could verify if the bug has been patched |
| 22:04.17 | sgh | Eulex: can I delete the linux headers after installing the rt73 package? |
| 22:04.18 | stoned | no updates |
| 22:04.28 | stoned | kqr, I still recommend 'radeon' driver |
| 22:04.31 | kqr | okey |
| 22:04.33 | stoned | kqr, be free |
| 22:04.36 | kqr | (: |
| 22:04.44 | kqr | i'd also rather like the radeon one |
| 22:04.52 | kqr | but why doesn't it work well for me? :S |
| 22:04.58 | abrotman | Piper69: did you run aptitude update ? |
| 22:04.58 | Eulex | sgh, yes, you can remove the package. you never needed it anyway, as you didn't need to compile anything. |
| 22:04.59 | stoned | for anyone |
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| 22:05.08 | sgh | Eulex: thanks =) |
| 22:05.44 | Piper69 | abrotman: that is what i get when i apt-get update or/ aptitude update |
| 22:05.55 | Throat | argh |
| 22:05.57 | Throat | now he left |
| 22:06.23 | Eulex | Throat, he will prolly do well on his own now. otherwise he will be back. |
| 22:06.34 | Throat | Eulex, that's what I fear |
| 22:06.36 | stoned | hmm |
| 22:06.46 | abrotman | Piper69: you do not get a gnome-core error when you run aptitude update |
| 22:07.06 | stoned | yup... I got a dvd going, and I got secret maryo chronicles going, and I got compiz fusion with water rain and snow plugins |
| 22:07.06 | Throat | Eulex, I wanted him to at least /msg dpkg search.... because this question he could have answered himself easily (and figure out the correct question) |
| 22:07.14 | stoned | my sid is not slow or laggy at all on radeon driver |
| 22:07.15 | kqr | stoned: is there something i can do to "test" 3d rendering? |
| 22:07.22 | Piper69 | abrotman: well am sorry, i get it in both situations |
| 22:07.24 | stoned | its ... for lack of a better word, sexy as fuck. |
| 22:07.28 | kqr | xD |
| 22:07.33 | stoned | kqr, yes, you can install mesa-utils |
| 22:07.39 | zambaboo | waits |
| 22:07.39 | stoned | kqr, and use glxgears I think |
| 22:07.51 | Throat | Eulex, I mean... look at what the question was and what it should have been :) |
| 22:07.53 | abrotman | Piper69: get what? `aptitude update` does not give you an error about gnome-core |
| 22:08.00 | Eulex | Throat, yeah |
| 22:08.02 | abrotman | Piper69: are you IRCing from your debian box ? |
| 22:08.06 | kqr | stoned: heh, 1084 frames in 5.1 seconds = 214.599 FPS |
| 22:08.12 | Piper69 | abrotman: the GPG error |
| 22:08.17 | abrotman | ignore it |
| 22:08.24 | abrotman | we'll fix it later .. you can tell it to proceed anyways |
| 22:08.25 | Piper69 | abrotman: no i couldn't even install irssi |
| 22:08.59 | JyZyXEL | 1500000000 bytes |
| 22:09.08 | Dominicus_ | Can anyone direct me to information on how to fetch the .config data from a prebuilt debian repository kernel binary. i want to use it for rebuilding from source with custom settings. Also, I compiled from source code from kernel.org directly. Should I have gotten a slightly altered debian version from some where? Because, a lot of my other things ended up broken, and it was the same kernel version. |
| 22:09.08 | stoned | 49897 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9979.356 FPS |
| 22:09.12 | stoned | is this good? |
| 22:09.17 | stoned | kqr, 49897 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9979.356 FPS |
| 22:09.22 | kqr | stoned: ._. |
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| 22:09.28 | stoned | whoah you're slow! |
| 22:09.29 | kqr | stoned: i get 214~ |
| 22:09.32 | amphi | Dominicus_: /boot/config-$VERSION |
| 22:09.32 | Eulex | Piper69, gpg errors don't prevent that. there was some other error. |
| 22:09.38 | stoned | kqr, you're not using a new mesa and xorg are you? |
| 22:09.41 | Actium | abrotman: uhh.. so I put it in a different slot and connected it to a different sata port on the card itself, and now I can't load or unload the sata_via module, but strangely it's in lsmod.. there's nothing in dmesg about ata except libata version 3.00 loaded |
| 22:09.41 | Eulex | kqr, that indicates software rendering. |
| 22:09.47 | Throat | Dominicus_, in /boot/config* |
| 22:09.49 | stoned | kqr, ahh yes you're on older versions of xorg and mesa and dri |
| 22:09.51 | Dominicus_ | amphi, is that always copied to that location via the prebuilt binaries? |
| 22:09.53 | Eulex | stoned, gisnab. glxgears is not a benchmark. |
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| 22:10.06 | kqr | stoned: uh-huh? |
| 22:10.07 | abrotman | Actium: so it got auto loaded |
| 22:10.09 | stoned | kqr, yeh sorry I forgot to tell you that I had to also build uhm... |
| 22:10.18 | stoned | xorg/mesa/dri from git by hand |
| 22:10.19 | abrotman | Actium: dmesg | grep sd .. see anything useful ? |
| 22:10.23 | amphi | Dominicus_: yes, and your own kernels you build with make-kpkg |
| 22:10.24 | kqr | stoned: xD |
| 22:10.34 | stoned | kqr, if you are feeling ballsy you can try to use the packages from experimental |
| 22:10.35 | Actium | abrotman: nothing at all |
| 22:10.41 | Piper69 | Eulex: its telling me to run apt-get update to correct the problem, but thats what i get when i run apt-get update |
| 22:10.42 | Eulex | kqr, what graphics card? |
| 22:10.43 | Piper69 | :) |
| 22:10.55 | stoned | Eulex, ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/35 |
| 22:10.58 | Eulex | Piper69, can you pastebin the exact error? |
| 22:11.04 | stoned | Eulex, I told him to use a radeon driver |
| 22:11.12 | stoned | kqr, glxinfo |
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| 22:11.20 | Piper69 | i can't because i can't get irssi on that box |
| 22:11.22 | Eulex | stoned, ah. is that an r200? r300? something else? |
| 22:11.25 | stoned | kqr, glxinfo|grep dir ( sorry my freaking enter key is crazy) |
| 22:11.26 | kqr | Eulex: stoned what's interesting? |
| 22:11.32 | kqr | xD |
| 22:11.34 | stoned | Eulex, not sure |
| 22:11.34 | Dominicus_ | amphi & Throat, I used that config data from /boot/config-BLAHBLAH for my make oldconfig, and did all the make-kpkg stuff. but, when I started with the new kernel, stuff like my wireless was broken. Is there a guide on what to do when migrating from one kernel build to another? |
| 22:11.40 | kqr | stoned: no direct rendering |
| 22:11.46 | stoned | kqr, thats your problem |
| 22:11.53 | stoned | kqr, go to xorg.conf and load glx and dri |
| 22:11.53 | kqr | Eulex: [IGP 340M] |
| 22:11.56 | stoned | extentions I mean |
| 22:12.10 | kqr | stoned: exactly where in xorg.conf? |
| 22:12.11 | stoned | you'd have to manuallya dd those, search google for a sample xorg.conf or soemthing |
| 22:12.13 | abrotman | Actium: is there anything about your card in dmesg? |
| 22:12.18 | Eulex | stoned, r200 it seems |
| 22:12.18 | stoned | in the extentions section |
| 22:12.19 | stoned | no no |
| 22:12.20 | stoned | modules |
| 22:12.25 | stoned | fuck I dunno man I forget |
| 22:12.29 | kqr | xD |
| 22:12.33 | amphi | Dominicus_: what wireless card? and what versions of the kernel are we talking about? |
| 22:12.34 | Eulex | kqr, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:12.44 | kqr | my xorg.conf is like, almost empty, so i feel very unsure when editing it xD |
| 22:12.54 | stoned | yeh you'd have to add it in |
| 22:12.58 | Eulex | Piper69, then write it down on a paper. |
| 22:13.22 | kqr | Eulex: how much of it do you want? |
| 22:13.27 | stoned | kqr, Section "Module" |
| 22:13.34 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.39 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.43 | stoned | EndSection |
| 22:13.51 | Eulex | kqr, all. |
| 22:13.55 | Dominicus_ | amphi, intel 3945abg type card, using kernel 2.6.18-6. My card uses the built in iwlwifi stuff of the kernel. |
| 22:13.57 | kqr | stoned: that's it? |
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| 22:14.00 | stoned | yup |
| 22:14.04 | Throat | Dominicus_, http://www.osnews.com/story/2949 |
| 22:14.08 | kqr | ok restart x |
| 22:14.10 | kqr | brb |
| 22:14.12 | stoned | yup |
| 22:14.16 | Eulex | stoned, shouldn't those be loaded by default? |
| 22:14.21 | stoned | nope |
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| 22:14.26 | simonrvn | xorg.conf are managed dynamically, for the most part, nowadays, that's why it's almost empty. |
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| 22:14.39 | simonrvn | i.e., the server takes care of most of it |
| 22:14.48 | Eulex | stoned, does the driver determine whether they should be loaded by default? |
| 22:14.59 | Throat | Dominicus_, you sure you need to build your own kernel? There are really very few valid reasons to ever do so |
| 22:15.01 | simonrvn | afaik no |
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| 22:15.04 | stoned | which is nice, but it would still be nicer to have blank sections in xorg.conf if one needs to manually put in sommething as a helper I guess |
| 22:15.09 | stoned | Eulex, not |
| 22:15.18 | Dominicus_ | Throat, THANKS! I had a lot of trouble finding something usable on my own. |
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| 22:15.28 | simonrvn | ahem, man xorg.conf |
| 22:15.33 | kqr | stoned: still no direct rendering |
| 22:16.07 | Eulex | stoned, hmm, dri and glx is not enabled by default for any driver, with the new auto-configuring xorg? |
| 22:16.15 | simonrvn | might need to enable it in the driver section, wherever the driver name is. |
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| 22:16.25 | Eulex | kqr, then let us see your Xorg.0.log. |
| 22:16.34 | stoned | Eulex, I think not |
| 22:16.55 | simonrvn | i had to with mine... |
| 22:16.57 | Dominicus_ | Throat, well, I was trying to get compiz fusion going and it kept complaining about a missing texture things that was supposed to be provided by the nvidia binary drivers, but the 8776 version I had installed from the debian repository didn't work, so then i tried one or two from the testing repository, and it installed, but my xorg didn't start and my wireless also broke. =( |
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| 22:17.25 | simonrvn | also aded a mode line (not modeline line) |
| 22:17.28 | simonrvn | add* |
| 22:17.32 | stoned | yes I did too |
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| 22:17.44 | stoned | i had to generate one using a new tool I'd never heard of before |
| 22:17.47 | stoned | like cvt or something |
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| 22:17.59 | Eulex | guess I'm spoiled with the nvidia driver |
| 22:18.06 | amphi | Dominicus_: iwlwifi isn't in .18, is it? |
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| 22:18.11 | Throat | Dominicus_, so where is there a reason to compile the whole kernel? Compiling a newer version of the nvidia module should do it... |
| 22:18.12 | stoned | and not-free! |
| 22:18.13 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:18.17 | simonrvn | had too with nvidia, too |
| 22:18.21 | Eulex | yeah |
| 22:18.22 | Eulex | hmm |
| 22:18.26 | simonrvn | ... to* |
| 22:18.28 | stoned | I had nvidia for only a few months and I hated it |
| 22:18.38 | stoned | when I first got ati I hated it but now I love it |
| 22:18.39 | smacnay | I tell you, this inability to blacklist 2 modules is driving me nuts - nvidiafb and pcsp. |
| 22:18.41 | Vooloo | is it possible to install a proxy server, having a client connect to that one and have hundreds of external proxies that this proxy connects to. Like proxy by proxy. "client -> proxy server -> other proxy servers" |
| 22:18.55 | Throat | b |
| 22:18.56 | stoned | smacnay, its as easy as blacklisting them no? |
| 22:18.59 | simonrvn | smacnay: it's not hard |
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| 22:19.17 | Eulex | simonrvn, I have no modules section here |
| 22:19.17 | smacnay | stoned: I have done everything dpkg has told me and they still load. |
| 22:19.36 | Dominicus_ | Throat, so I just got some source, and compiled a new kernel, so that I could compile the build a kernel module from the nvidia binary that needs to build against source code and a .config file |
| 22:19.45 | simonrvn | remove them from /etc/modules if present |
| 22:20.00 | simonrvn | Eulex: newer card? |
| 22:20.13 | stoned | well nvidia has its own glx |
| 22:20.17 | stoned | you do realize this? |
| 22:20.21 | simonrvn | oh, maybe xorg rev. too. this was some months ago. |
| 22:20.28 | simonrvn | i do |
| 22:20.31 | stoned | not you |
| 22:20.31 | stoned | him |
| 22:20.32 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:20.36 | simonrvn | so does fglrx |
| 22:20.39 | smacnay | simonrvn: appropriate entries in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local, re-ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-1-686, and they are not present in /etc/modules |
| 22:20.44 | stoned | yup |
| 22:20.53 | kqr | Eulex / stoned: http://pastebin.com/d5a9e63c8 |
| 22:21.07 | Eulex | simonrvn, 8400, xorg 7.3, lenny nvidia-glx |
| 22:21.43 | Eulex | ""dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file." |
| 22:21.48 | stoned | # |
| 22:21.49 | stoned | (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled |
| 22:21.52 | simonrvn | smacnay: something like: "blacklist <module>" ? |
| 22:21.54 | stoned | so its good now? |
| 22:22.04 | stoned | glxinfo|grep dir |
| 22:22.12 | kqr | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
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| 22:22.28 | stoned | kqr, join me in #radeon |
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| 22:23.13 | smacnay | simonrvn: yes - 'blacklist nvidiafb' and 'blacklist snd-pcsp' |
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| 22:23.38 | MikeH | Hi guys, can anyone tell me what package contains dig? |
| 22:23.46 | Eulex | kqr, thus run LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
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| 22:24.04 | Eulex | and if it complains about not finding r200_dri.so, there's a certain package you need to install |
| 22:24.20 | Eulex | !tell MikeH about search |
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| 22:24.39 | MikeH | I've apt-cache searched for dig, but there's way too many results |
| 22:24.40 | smacnay | simonrvn: I wonder if something else is loading it... hotplug or something? Although hotplug is not installed. |
| 22:25.00 | Eulex | kqr, libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 22:25.15 | kqr | Eulex: uh? |
| 22:25.23 | Eulex | MikeH, use apt-file to search for bin/dig |
| 22:25.24 | stoned | I was about to check him |
| 22:25.29 | stoned | see if he has libgl |
| 22:25.34 | chuck | Could the package maintainer for mysql-server-5.0 please update it to at least 5.0.44 from 5.0.32? There is a critical bug in replication that is causing our slave servers to crash and stop replicating. |
| 22:25.37 | stoned | export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose |
| 22:25.42 | stoned | glxinfo|grep lib |
| 22:25.55 | stoned | it should load r200_dri.so |
| 22:25.58 | abrotman | Piper69: are you getting stuff installed ? |
| 22:26.00 | stoned | if not, you need the package he said |
| 22:26.09 | stoned | kqr, install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 22:26.09 | abrotman | chuck: in etch? |
| 22:26.12 | Piper69 | abrotman: not yet |
| 22:26.18 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 22:26.23 | chuck | abrotman, yeah |
| 22:26.32 | abrotman | chuck: not likely .. |
| 22:26.41 | abrotman | !tell chuck about meaning of stable |
| 22:27.01 | Piper69 | abrotman: have no freacking clue |
| 22:27.07 | chuck | abrotman, is there some way to use up to date packages? |
| 22:27.17 | chuck | (while still having them relatively stable) |
| 22:27.24 | abrotman | chuck: /msg dpkg bpo .. it may have newer mysql server packages |
| 22:27.34 | abrotman | chuck: alternately .. use a better RDBMS |
| 22:27.50 | chuck | isn't there a different release though? |
| 22:27.55 | chuck | testing or something |
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| 22:28.15 | abrotman | wait .. does mysql even do the "R" part? :) |
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| 22:28.24 | abrotman | chuck: sure, but that would have other issues probably |
| 22:28.32 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 22:28.32 | judd | abrotman: mysql-server-5.0 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch6 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-17~bpo40+1 lenny: 5.0.51a-17 sid: 5.0.67-1 |
| 22:28.36 | abrotman | yay backports! |
| 22:28.48 | chuck | etch-backports then? is that what the bpo thing you sent me is? |
| 22:29.12 | Eulex | abrotman, uh, sure mysql is relational |
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| 22:29.26 | abrotman | Eulex: never can tell these days :) |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | chuck: yes |
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| 22:29.49 | chuck | 17:27:34 < abrotman> chuck: alternately .. use a better RDBMS << the fact that debian stable doesn't actually use the stable releases of software doesn't mean mysql is worse than other database servers... |
| 22:29.54 | Eulex | abrotman, a dbms that can't relate pieces of data to eachother would be quite useless :) |
| 22:29.59 | sgh | Ive just installed the rt73 modules that I need. Ive plugged in the device. Its not appearing anywhere that I know of. What do I need to do for it to work? |
| 22:30.16 | abrotman | chuck: i could debate that .. but i'll send you to backports.org :) |
| 22:30.23 | abrotman | chuck: make sure to read the instructions there |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | Eulex: you mean like .. MS Access? :) |
| 22:30.36 | smo_ | hi, can someone on sid tell me what lsb_release -cs return ? please |
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| 22:31.22 | adb | smo_: sid |
| 22:31.31 | smo_ | ok nice |
| 22:31.33 | smo_ | thanks |
| 22:31.38 | adb | np |
| 22:31.42 | Piper69 | abrotman: any other thoughts |
| 22:31.55 | abrotman | Piper69: you didn't give me any errors |
| 22:32.03 | Eulex | abrotman, I never had the displeasure of using access, but from what I read, it's supposed to be an rdbms |
| 22:32.10 | abrotman | supposed to be! |
| 22:32.35 | smo_ | what are the default repository on debian? (just the base) |
| 22:32.48 | abrotman | main |
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| 22:34.03 | Actium | grr |
| 22:34.03 | Piper69 | abrotman: ok, the error i am getting when i do apt-get update , after hitting a few http:// i get Fetched 37.8kB, reading package lists...done |
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| 22:34.12 | GremlinTroll | tmpnick wants to be unbanned. |
| 22:34.12 | stoned | libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch) |
| 22:34.15 | stoned | libGL error: unable to load driver: radeon_dri.so |
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| 22:34.29 | stoned | thats why you keep having your dri not work |
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| 22:34.45 | blast_hardcheese | Anyone know of a tool that does direct audio passthrough on the mic port with no processing? |
| 22:34.49 | abrotman | Piper69: and then `aptitude install gnome-core` says ? |
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| 22:35.17 | blast_hardcheese | something more efficient than arecord | aplay |
| 22:35.29 | stoned | and if thats from lenny packages no no no |
| 22:35.46 | stoned | man that couldn't be thats a serious bug you can't trickle that down to lenny but check the BTS anyway |
| 22:35.50 | stoned | kqr, ^ |
| 22:35.53 | Piper69 | abrotman: then W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updaRelease:The following signatures couldn't be verified because the p.k is not available: NO_PUBLICKEY A70DAF....ETC |
| 22:36.10 | abrotman | Piper69: you can still choose to continue |
| 22:36.13 | kqr | stoned: uh? |
| 22:36.13 | stoned | kqr, check debian bts regarding the glx/dri packages |
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| 22:36.22 | abrotman | Piper69: did you install the debian-archive-keyring package ? |
| 22:36.28 | Piper69 | abrotman: is not giving me an opt |
| 22:36.37 | stoned | libgl1-mesa-glx/dri both |
| 22:36.44 | Piper69 | abrotman: i did install keyring &&apt-key update |
| 22:36.49 | kqr | stoned: yeah |
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| 22:37.50 | Piper69 | abrotman: and for the gnome-core , i get E: couldn't find pkg gnome-core , after if say Building dependency tree..done |
| 22:37.51 | abrotman | Piper69: you did `apt-get install debian-archive-keyring` and then `apt-get update && aptitude update` and then `aptitude install gnome-core` ? |
| 22:38.00 | sgh | Ive just installed the rt73 modules that I need. Ive plugged in the device. Its not appearing anywhere that I know of. What do I need to do for it to work? |
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| 22:39.04 | Piper69 | abrotman: yes |
| 22:39.21 | Eulex | sgh, does iwconfig list it? |
| 22:39.27 | sgh | Eulex: no it doesnt |
| 22:39.36 | Eulex | sgh, did you check dmesg? |
| 22:39.46 | sgh | Eulex: never heard of it |
| 22:39.53 | Eulex | it's a command |
| 22:39.55 | Eulex | and a file |
| 22:40.16 | sgh | Eulex: when I reboot I get some messages like that which dmesg lists |
| 22:40.26 | sgh | what do I do with this info? |
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| 22:40.37 | Piper69 | abrotman: yes i did that and this is the error i am getting , |
| 22:40.53 | smo_ | someone one lenny here? |
| 22:40.59 | Eulex | sgh, you search it for info regarding the card and the driver. 'plug it in' -- is an usb card? |
| 22:41.00 | sgh | smo_: yes |
| 22:41.05 | smo_ | can run it please? : lsb_release -cs |
| 22:41.10 | sgh | Eulex: yes |
| 22:41.12 | smo_ | need the return... |
| 22:41.20 | kqr | stoned: uh, well, there was something about the glx package about reverting to software rendering, but i can't read in detail now |
| 22:41.33 | stoned | just go to bed, don't make mommy angry |
| 22:41.36 | kqr | stoned: i really have to go, appreciate your help, thx |
| 22:41.36 | sgh | smo_: command not found |
| 22:41.37 | stoned | come back tomorrow |
| 22:41.38 | kqr | stoned: xD |
| 22:41.39 | Eulex | sgh, what appears in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 22:41.44 | kqr | stoned: /away and such |
| 22:41.44 | Eulex | smo_, lenny |
| 22:41.44 | stoned | yw |
| 22:41.44 | smo_ | oh |
| 22:41.52 | abrotman | !tell Piper69 about apt-key ABCD1234 |
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| 22:42.03 | smo_ | what did you pasted sgh? |
| 22:42.07 | smo_ | ok Eulex |
| 22:42.09 | smo_ | thx |
| 22:42.16 | sgh | Eulex: how can I tell? |
| 22:42.28 | Eulex | smo_, I don't believe lsb stuff is installed by default... |
| 22:42.33 | smo_ | lsb_release is availableby defaut on debian no? |
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| 22:42.42 | smo_ | humm |
| 22:42.48 | sgh | smo_: Im running net-inst and have removed quite a lot |
| 22:42.58 | smo_ | ok |
| 22:43.01 | smo_ | thanks |
| 22:43.06 | sgh | np |
| 22:43.08 | Eulex | sgh, you first take a look at it, then plug in the device, then take a look at it again? |
| 22:43.27 | sgh | Eulex: so the last enties? |
| 22:43.35 | Piper69 | abrotman: i dont understand it |
| 22:43.44 | Eulex | sgh, yes. |
| 22:43.46 | sgh | Eulex: well, now nothing happens when I plug it in |
| 22:43.50 | Piper69 | abrotman: apt-key add what |
| 22:43.57 | Piper69 | the key i am getting |
| 22:43.57 | sgh | Eulex: no strange lines, no act. in dmesg |
| 22:44.06 | Eulex | sgh, nothing at all? |
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| 22:44.13 | sgh | Eulex: indeed |
| 22:44.18 | abrotman | Piper69: what error ? |
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| 22:44.39 | abrotman | Piper69: or what is the key ? |
| 22:44.56 | Piper69 | abrotman: what is this apt-key ABCD1234 |
| 22:45.05 | abrotman | Piper69: what is the key you're getting an error on? |
| 22:45.18 | Piper69 | aha |
| 22:45.19 | Eulex | sgh, you should at least get a 'usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3' message or similar |
| 22:45.28 | Eulex | sgh, does the card have any led? |
| 22:45.38 | sgh | Eulex: sure, I know what you mean, but its not happening... |
| 22:45.45 | sgh | Eulex: indeed, and its not active |
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| 22:46.01 | BCM43 | my wireless will not show up on my laptop |
| 22:46.09 | BCM43 | wireless card, that is |
| 22:46.12 | Eulex | sgh, will lsusb show the device? |
| 22:46.20 | BCM43 | does not show up in lspci |
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| 22:46.28 | sgh | Eulex: lsusb, a command? |
| 22:46.33 | BCM43 | sgh: yes |
| 22:46.36 | Eulex | sgh, yes. |
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| 22:46.48 | sgh | Eulex: command not found |
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| 22:47.02 | Eulex | !installit |
| 22:47.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 22:47.23 | sgh | Eulex: :P |
| 22:47.31 | Eulex | I like that factoid. |
| 22:47.35 | sgh | I feel stupid |
| 22:47.44 | enouf | "<sgh> smo_: Im running net-inst and have removed quite a lot" |
| 22:47.52 | BCM43 | kind of a condescending bot |
| 22:47.55 | enouf | ... |
| 22:47.57 | Eulex | sgh, usbutils, if you didn't find out yet |
| 22:48.00 | Piper69 | Eulex: use /msg dpkg |
| 22:48.03 | sgh | Eulex: lol |
| 22:48.09 | sgh | Eulex: you beat me to it haha |
| 22:48.20 | Piper69 | abrotman will say that ^^ lol |
| 22:48.29 | Eulex | sgh, I didn't remember either, had to use apt-file to find out |
| 22:48.33 | BCM43 | anybody have any idea of how to make my wireless card work? |
| 22:48.54 | enouf | from your nick, /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 22:48.57 | Eulex | Piper69, I know about it. do you suggest I do /msg dpkg tell foo about foo? |
| 22:49.09 | sgh | Eulex: theres no output... |
| 22:49.13 | sgh | Eulex: need to reboot? |
| 22:49.20 | Eulex | sgh, no output from lsusb?? |
| 22:49.24 | Piper69 | Eulex: i am just messing with you |
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| 22:49.26 | enouf | but also run update-pciids and update-usbids |
| 22:49.26 | sgh | Eulex: nothing at all |
| 22:49.34 | sgh | Eulex: ill kill some proc |
| 22:49.39 | Piper69 | brb |
| 22:49.40 | Eulex | sgh, what kernel? |
| 22:49.41 | BCM43 | Eulex: that is the card I have, however it does not even show up under lspci |
| 22:49.47 | sgh | Eulex: oh, ctrl-c doesnt work... |
| 22:49.49 | smo_ | unstable = sid , testing = lenny, right ? |
| 22:49.51 | Eulex | enouf, if there's no output, that won't help |
| 22:50.01 | Eulex | sgh, ...it hangs? |
| 22:50.13 | sgh | Eulex: modified 2.6.26 686 ... Im on a eeepc and running a kernel modded to it |
| 22:50.15 | sgh | Eulex: yes |
| 22:50.17 | enouf | Eulex: unknown == no output to noobs |
| 22:50.36 | Eulex | smo_, sid will always be unstable, while lenny is currently testing. |
| 22:50.37 | sgh | enouf: theres really no output |
| 22:50.48 | enouf | i'm talking about BCM43 |
| 22:50.49 | smo_ | ok |
| 22:50.50 | smo_ | thx |
| 22:50.58 | sgh | Eulex: pressing ctrl-c returns ^C |
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| 22:51.23 | BCM43 | enouf: ok |
| 22:51.25 | Eulex | sgh, if it hangs and never succeeds, that quite likely means that your usb subsystem of your kernel does not work |
| 22:51.41 | sgh | Eulex: well, Ive not installed hal or dbus... |
| 22:51.57 | Eulex | sgh, those have absolutely nothing to do with it. |
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| 22:52.05 | sgh | Eulex: what do I know :P |
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| 22:52.23 | BCM43 | enouf: neither works |
| 22:52.29 | Ricoshady | how do I upgrade a package, and will it upgrade all the other dependencies? |
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| 22:52.41 | sgh | Eulex: any ideas what to do? |
| 22:52.47 | abrotman | Ricoshady: aptitude install <pkg> |
| 22:52.50 | Eulex | sgh, how is the kernel modded for the eeeeeeeeeeeepc? |
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| 22:53.03 | sgh | Eulex: some acpi things I guess |
| 22:53.19 | sgh | Eulex: I dont know really, but Im positive theres acpi-changes |
| 22:53.31 | die7 | what i need to set in fstab to get my USB HDD rw for all users |
| 22:54.00 | Eulex | sgh, I'd contact the ones who made the kernel and inquire about the usb problems. oh well, you might want to do a reboot first and check whether lsusb works with no usb devices attached, etc etc |
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| 22:54.40 | Eulex | sgh, perhaps look up what experiences other people had with usb and the eeeeee |
| 22:54.50 | Ricoshady | abrotman, so if I already have the package installed, it will upgrade me? |
| 22:55.02 | enouf | !eeepc |
| 22:55.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2> and <atl1e>. |
| 22:55.05 | sgh | Eulex: theres three (3) "e" in the eeename |
| 22:55.06 | abrotman | Ricoshady: if there's a new version available in the repos you're using |
| 22:55.29 | sgh | ah, I totally forgot that channel |
| 22:55.34 | Eulex | sgh, I know :) |
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| 22:55.37 | sgh | btw, its #eeepc or #eee-pc on freenode |
| 22:55.53 | sgh | Eulex: thank you so much. Your a wizard really |
| 22:56.05 | smo_ | Eulex, last question ^^, lsb_release -is , give ? |
| 22:56.20 | abrotman | sgh: there's a debian specific one on oftc |
| 22:56.35 | Eulex | tries a wand |
| 22:56.49 | Eulex | sgh, sorry, nothing really happened :P |
| 22:57.00 | adb | smo_: on sid , Debian |
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| 22:57.16 | smo_ | i think it s the same for all so |
| 22:57.18 | smo_ | thanks |
| 22:57.23 | adb | np |
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| 22:57.39 | Eulex | smo_, Debian. did you know that you can install debian into a chroot and test stuff yourself with it? |
| 22:58.00 | smo_ | yes i know Eulex |
| 22:58.08 | smo_ | but just for 4 commands... |
| 22:58.21 | Eulex | yeah, I understand |
| 22:58.27 | smo_ | i have all i need now thanks |
| 22:58.50 | j_pinx | . |
| 22:59.09 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.10 | Eulex | sgh, if I had been a wizard, this wand here would've solved your usb problem :P |
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| 23:03.11 | jelly-home | s/wizard/pervert/ |
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| 23:03.27 | stoned | home of the jelly |
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| 23:03.57 | Eulex | jelly-home, no, not a wang |
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| 23:04.16 | stoned | wand is also a euphemism for penis |
| 23:04.23 | stoned | consider the context of harry potter... |
| 23:04.36 | jelly-home | wang can be a verb, too! |
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| 23:04.40 | Eulex | bash.org readers, aren't we all? :) |
| 23:04.46 | stoned | lets wang chung tonight? |
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| 23:04.54 | stoned | sure it can be |
| 23:05.01 | stoned | Eulex, bored, saturday night |
| 23:05.08 | stoned | too cold, I'm not going out |
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| 23:05.20 | ewet | hello, what may a humble time-slave do to see lenny mature this year? :-) |
| 23:05.22 | stoned | I was gonna go to the debian get together but its too damn cold |
| 23:05.44 | stoned | ewet, help solve bugs |
| 23:05.45 | jelly-home | "Too happy to wang tomatoes at them?" |
| 23:05.46 | abrotman | ewet: help fix bugs .. /msg dpkg rc bugs |
| 23:05.59 | stoned | also /msg dpkg lenny status |
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| 23:06.21 | ewet | is reading |
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| 23:08.35 | ewet | cute - pidgin crashes when I click a link :-/ |
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| 23:09.55 | abrotman | use a real irc client? :) |
| 23:09.55 | Maliuta | ewet: pidgin is fine ... it's iceweasle that crashes when I click things |
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| 23:10.47 | ewet | I use pidgin for twitter *duck* <g> |
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| 23:11.58 | Maliuta | ewet: did you just say you're a twit? ;P |
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| 23:13.01 | ewet | is the rc bugs state really looking _that_ bad or am I imagining things? |
| 23:13.46 | abrotman | ewet: that's not 100% accurate .. but decently close |
| 23:13.56 | joneal | hi |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | ewet: there was an uptick in RC bugs a few weeks ago |
| 23:14.19 | ewet | *mumble* |
| 23:14.33 | ewet | scratches his head |
| 23:15.02 | ewet | *sigh* so bug hunting is now on my agenda? |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | ewet: fix them faster! |
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| 23:15.48 | abrotman | ewet: fixing and hunting! :) |
| 23:15.50 | ewet | when do things go the way _I_ want? does anybody know? |
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| 23:18.07 | buu | So.. |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | buttons |
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| 23:19.25 | buu | I have a debian box running X/xdm, I can log on to it locally, run xterms and so on and so forth, but when I ssh in to it and try to launch Xterms, I get 'Couldn't open :0.0' or similar. I've set a DISPLAY environment variable and I've exported a XAUTHORITY variable that matches the one in my /tm[/ |
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| 23:19.31 | buu | Er, /tmp. What else am I missing? |
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| 23:20.52 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 23:21.12 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 23:21.22 | Jemt | Hm, isn't the 'quite' kernel argument supposed to have the kernel shut up at boot ? |
| 23:21.47 | linkmast1r03 | why do i have 408 packages to upgrade on my lenny install? it made me think lenny was out of testing for a second |
| 23:21.48 | buu | abrotman: Er, that doesn't sound like what I want, I'm trying to launch the Xclient on the box I've ssh'd in to? |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | quiet ? |
| 23:21.52 | linkmast1r03 | i last updated only a month ago |
| 23:21.59 | Jemt | Ah, no 'e'. Thanks, abrotman :) |
| 23:22.00 | abrotman | buu: you want it to run on the server ? |
| 23:22.02 | buu | Yes. |
| 23:22.10 | abrotman | Jemt: 'quiet' .. not 'quite' |
| 23:22.31 | buu | abrotman: It was working for months and then X crashed and I had to restart it =[ |
| 23:22.43 | Jemt | Ah, of cause. Thanks again |
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| 23:24.35 | abrotman | Piper69: you fixed up yet? |
| 23:24.42 | abrotman | buu: mit magic cookie ? |
| 23:24.56 | abrotman | Jemt: "of course" ... |
| 23:25.29 | Jemt | I always get that wrong. Thanks again :) |
| 23:25.43 | abrotman | Jemt: "again." |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | hides |
| 23:25.47 | Jemt | :p |
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| 23:27.39 | buu | abrotman: Does that imply that the X server is running as a different user or similar? |
| 23:27.52 | Piper69 | abrotman: don't hide from me |
| 23:28.06 | abrotman | Piper69: get a move on .. i'm going to get food in a bit |
| 23:28.17 | abrotman | buu: i'd guess so .. your error isn't super descriptive |
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| 23:28.43 | Piper69 | abrotman: before you go eat , what do you think about the problem i have with apt-get update |
| 23:29.07 | abrotman | i told you! |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | like three times! |
| 23:29.11 | buu | abrotman: Sorry, is there anything I can do to make it more descriptive? |
| 23:29.15 | abrotman | i even asked you for the key! |
| 23:29.24 | abrotman | buu: /msg dpkg mit magic cookie .. see if it helps |
| 23:29.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | Is it possible to install lvm dm-crypt encryption on my two laptop drives with the same key and boot up my laptop and only need to enter the key once? |
| 23:29.49 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.49 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.56 | buu | dpkg has been censored. By the fbi. |
| 23:29.56 | dpkg | buu: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:30.03 | buu | =[ |
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| 23:31.15 | jelly-home | buu: "ask me about <root x>." |
| 23:31.39 | jelly-home | buu: /msg dpkg literal mit-magic-cookie |
| 23:31.52 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 23:31.53 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 23:31.57 | abrotman | Piper69: you didn't have to msg me that |
| 23:31.59 | buu | jelly-home: Grm. |
| 23:32.25 | buu | j$ xauth |
| 23:32.25 | buu | xauth: error in locking authority file /tmp/.XauthwUq8jU |
| 23:32.43 | jelly-home | buu: feel free to shorten the factoid and avoid the display limit |
| 23:32.48 | Piper69 | abrotman: excuse my ignorance |
| 23:33.12 | abrotman | Piper69: so anyways .. you can run the above command as root (standard disclaimers apply) |
| 23:33.26 | buu | jelly-home: None of this is solving my problems =[ |
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| 23:33.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: work harder! |
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| 23:34.10 | Piper69 | abrotman: i did and i got gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found |
| 23:34.41 | abrotman | Piper69: you're doing it wrong |
| 23:34.42 | fr00g | aa i po egzorcyzmach emili rose |
| 23:34.46 | abrotman | gpg: key 6070D3A1: public key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" imported |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | fr00g: uh what? |
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| 23:38.22 | Piper69 | abrotman: that worked , but still i get error pkg not found when i do apt-get install gnome-core |
| 23:38.39 | abrotman | Piper69: can you isntall irssi now ? |
| 23:39.06 | Piper69 | abrotman: nope E:Broken packages |
| 23:39.13 | abrotman | broken ? |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | Piper69: how many sources in your sources.list ? |
| 23:39.39 | Piper69 | abrotman: 1 |
| 23:40.15 | abrotman | Piper69: i told you HOURS ago to add two more .. why would you ignore me? |
| 23:41.00 | Piper69 | abrotman: i didn't ignore you, i went to debian.org/security and that was the only one i found there deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | <abrotman> deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | <abrotman> Piper69: and |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | <abrotman> deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:42.25 | Samuel-NotAFK | Is it possible to install lvm dm-crypt encryption on my two laptop drives with the same key and boot up my laptop and only need to enter the key once? |
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| 23:43.28 | fr00g | oh, sorry... i used wrong keyboard.. |
| 23:43.53 | smacnay | could discover load unwanted modules even if they are listed with a "skip module" in the conf file? |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | smacnay: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | smacnay: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
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| 23:45.12 | smacnay | abrotman: done all of that already - still no luck |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:45.56 | sgh | Eulex: I still havnt figured out that wireless card :P |
| 23:46.15 | smacnay | abrotman: I am puzzled - nothing seems to stop these modules from being loaded unless I rename them in the /lib/modules/2.6.xx/tree |
| 23:46.30 | Jemt | Is it possible to supress absolute ANY output from the kernel upon boot? Errors or what ever it might shout out |
| 23:47.01 | Jemt | suppress* |
| 23:47.09 | Jemt | absolutely |
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| 23:47.47 | eject_ck | is it possible to downgrade from lenny to etch ? |
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| 23:47.49 | amphi | Jemt: 'quiet' on the commandline doesn't? |
| 23:48.04 | dacs | abrotman: it worked , thank you so much buddy |
| 23:48.06 | Jemt | amphi: Nope, not everything |
| 23:48.15 | Jemt | amphi: Errors are still reported |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | dacs: too bad you didn't listen to me hours ago :) |
| 23:48.58 | dacs | abrotman: sorry :( |
| 23:49.03 | abrotman | s'alright |
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| 23:49.08 | dacs | offer to buy lunch for abrotman |
| 23:49.11 | taner_c2 | !kde |
| 23:49.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 23:49.14 | abrotman | you're a bit far away |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | taner_c2: you can /msg dpkg kde |
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| 23:50.11 | dacs | abrotman: but when i was installing irssi the key changed and i had to add it |
| 23:51.14 | abrotman | dacs: that's what the keyring package is for |
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| 23:51.56 | dacs | abrotman: but shouldn't that update by itself |
| 23:52.18 | dacs | for sshd apt-get install sshd |
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| 23:52.48 | MrWax | Can anyone tell me how I can decrypt a .gpg file? |
| 23:52.55 | MrWax | and extract the contents of it |
| 23:52.58 | Kobaz | with gpg |
| 23:53.00 | ewet | eject_ck: that's generally not a good idea. better you re-install from scratch. that's my opinion |
| 23:53.22 | Eulex | sgh, you need to have usb working on your system before it would be possible... |
| 23:53.54 | sgh | Eulex: ah, I see. I didnt follow up on that when you last mentioned it. USB works. |
| 23:54.14 | okaratas | hello channeÅ |
| 23:54.21 | okaratas | oppss <- hello channel |
| 23:54.25 | jpinx | I've just installed iceweasel on lenny with xfce4 but iceweasel is refusing to start from the gui or the commandline. Any ideas how to force/fix it? |
| 23:54.27 | dacs | how can i direct the output from a file in another tty to #flood |
| 23:54.40 | Jemt | Oh my God! Debian Lenny is a MAJOR improvement. Performance kick ass, a lot of software is much better integrated and it looks really neat |
| 23:54.57 | sgh | Eulex: I can use my usb drive and other misc. stuff |
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| 23:55.39 | Eulex | sgh, oh |
| 23:55.44 | eject_ck | I lost 2 hours to be sure that ruby 1.8.7 which is in railsnot compatible with hosted project |
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| 23:56.47 | buu | Oh god |
| 23:56.55 | buu | I just rebooted and now it segfaults on init. |
| 23:57.21 | hjb | buu sounds bad |
| 23:57.32 | buu | =[ |
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| 23:58.03 | MrWax | Kobaz: how? |
| 23:58.05 | smacnay | Can one download a .deb kernel image but alter it before installing? |
| 23:58.09 | hjb | buu how can you chat on irc in that situation? |
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| 23:58.18 | buu | hjb: Multiple computers. |
| 23:58.36 | hjb | buu than that's not that bas :-P good luck |
| 23:58.44 | hjb | buu *bad* |
| 23:59.03 | Kobaz | MrWax: it's an option somewhere... gpg --help |
| 23:59.10 | Maliuta | where do I bitch about the lenny installer? |
| 23:59.31 | hjb | buu sorry, bad time for bad jokes ;) |
| 23:59.43 | Piper69 | Maliuta: look at the mirror and bitch to that guy you will see |
| 23:59.45 | Piper69 | lol |
| 23:59.46 | hjb | buu can you boot an older kernel? |
| 23:59.55 | hjb | buu does that happen than, too? |
