| 00:00.11 | gravity | Because the XSF is pretty well tapped out right now, including me |
| 00:00.11 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:00.39 | gravity | I'll avoid giving a lecture on this one, but it's the truth. If people have problems they need to contribute.; |
| 00:00.40 | stew | gravity: you don't need a degree anyway, stop with the silly university stuff that is eating up your time |
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| 00:00.48 | gravity | stew: Well, I defended last week |
| 00:00.51 | gravity | Now I need a job |
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| 00:00.55 | jelly-home | w00t! |
| 00:00.57 | stew | gravity: excellent |
| 00:00.58 | streuner | wow |
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| 00:01.12 | themill | gravity: well done! |
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| 00:01.17 | gravity | Thanks |
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| 00:01.26 | jelly-home | strike the X force, jobs rule! |
| 00:01.26 | streuner | !congratulate gravity |
| 00:01.26 | dpkg | Woohoo gravity, you did it! |
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| 00:03.25 | streuner | hadnt any doubt that gravity did it and isnt able to find a job |
| 00:04.04 | gravity | heh |
| 00:04.14 | gravity | Well, I'm in the interview process. I'll find one, but it just takes time. |
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| 00:04.49 | streuner | gravity: haha |
| 00:04.55 | gravity | Hoping to come back to free software soonish, but I'm not sure how at this point |
| 00:04.56 | themill | well, in the mean-time, you must have plenty of spare time... |
| 00:05.07 | gravity | X takes serious time and energy that I don't expect to have |
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| 00:07.22 | streuner | gravity: expectations are a bitch ;-) |
| 00:07.38 | gravity | heh |
| 00:07.53 | streuner | dont expect anything ;-) |
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| 00:10.35 | streuner | gravity: we dont expect anything, only that YOU work 100 percent that _Everything_ works in X :-P |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | expects gravity |
| 00:10.50 | gravity | Ha! |
| 00:11.15 | jelly-home | streuner: that's a simple, ie., easy, request |
| 00:13.17 | streuner | http://91.121.201.88:8000 <-- some cool music ;-) |
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| 00:16.25 | JordiGH | Oy, Ian divorced Debra? |
| 00:16.37 | JordiGH | When did that happen? |
| 00:16.38 | streuner | heh |
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| 00:22.23 | streuner | JordiGH: when should that happened? |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
| 00:23.21 | JordiGH | streuner: I thought they were married until very recently. Now Wikipedia says they're divorced. [citation needed]. |
| 00:23.32 | JordiGH | It's an omen for Deb-Ian. |
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| 00:24.58 | jpinx | I've seen comment about Debian losing direction - maybe it was referring to the marriage? |
| 00:24.59 | jelly-home | JordiGH: do you want some C.Orff music with that omen? |
| 00:25.14 | JordiGH | jelly-home: O tempora, o mores! |
| 00:26.10 | nolimitsoya | ive got mpd up and running and trying to connect with ncmpc gives me 'error [15]: problems getting a pesponse from "localhost" on port 6600 : Connection refused'. i can ping localhost just fine, what gives? |
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| 00:27.17 | gpm | nazi music is what that is |
| 00:27.45 | JordiGH | calls Godwin's law, let's move on. |
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| 00:30.17 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: does telnet localhost 6600 work? |
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| 00:35.01 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, i dont seem to have a telnetclient installed. do i need to? |
| 00:35.19 | Elite | Where is the default location for apache web fiules? |
| 00:35.28 | JordiGH | Elite: /var/ww |
| 00:35.28 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: only if you want to use it to test tcp-based services |
| 00:35.29 | JordiGH | w |
| 00:35.57 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, no, getting connection refused |
| 00:36.14 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, i thought ping was test enough... |
| 00:36.26 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: well then, seems that mpd really isn't listening on that port |
| 00:36.48 | Elite | Thanks |
| 00:36.52 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, but since telnet is having the same problem... |
| 00:37.35 | jelly-home | that was what a telnet test _was_ about |
| 00:37.39 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, netstat shows mpd at 127.0.0.1:6600 |
| 00:37.43 | JordiGH | Yay, the GNU grep devs have said they're happy to remove invariant sections. |
| 00:37.51 | JordiGH | (but "not soon"). |
| 00:37.53 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: tcp or udp? |
| 00:37.59 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, tcp |
| 00:38.45 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: State LISTEN? |
| 00:38.54 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, yes |
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| 00:39.04 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: any iptables rules? |
| 00:39.59 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, not that i know of... that is straight from a minimal install. the only things apt-gotten are alsa-base, mpd, ncmpc and now telnet |
| 00:40.04 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: a weird thing crossed my mind; did "telnet localhost 6600" try to connect to 127.0.0.1 or some other ip? |
| 00:40.52 | pkcahier | how can one find out about what software&device combination is causing high iowait? |
| 00:40.53 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:41.06 | JordiGH | pkcahier: top is usually a good guess. |
| 00:41.10 | pkcahier | well |
| 00:41.18 | pkcahier | top only tells me about cpu usage, memory usage, and general iowait |
| 00:41.21 | pkcahier | doesnt tell me who's guilty |
| 00:41.27 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, hm, telnet worked this time though |
| 00:41.33 | pkcahier | iotop gives me more info about the rates of each soft |
| 00:41.40 | pkcahier | but doesnt really tell me which is using more time |
| 00:41.43 | JordiGH | pkcahier: Usually if someone is doing a lot of I/O, it's also doing a lot of CPU. |
| 00:41.43 | nolimitsoya | OK MPD 0.13.0 |
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| 00:42.07 | pkcahier | not really, rtorrent has bad habits for example;) even at low speeds like 2-3MB/s it can be very ... evil:) |
| 00:42.10 | JordiGH | loves it how everyone except English speakers abbreviates "software" to "soft". |
| 00:42.12 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, still no ncmpc though |
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| 00:43.34 | Elite | how the hell do I get to phpmyadmin? |
| 00:43.56 | KDE4000 | are there any debian packages for little endian systems? |
| 00:45.25 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, ideas? |
| 00:45.42 | jelly-home | nolimitsoya: *yawn* none, sorry |
| 00:45.55 | jelly-home | KDE4000: are you a troll? |
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| 00:46.03 | nolimitsoya | jelly-home, well, thank you anyway :) |
| 00:46.16 | KDE4000 | jelly-home: eh no... |
| 00:46.26 | jelly-home | KDE4000: i386 and amd64 are both little endian architectures |
| 00:46.34 | KDE4000 | o_O |
| 00:46.42 | KDE4000 | well i have a modem with Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le |
| 00:47.00 | KDE4000 | so anything i386 would work? |
| 00:47.04 | jelly-home | !mipsel |
| 00:47.04 | dpkg | it has been said that mipsel is one of the supported debian architectures http://www.debian.org/ports/mipsel/ |
| 00:47.51 | jelly-home | KDE4000: uh, no. your machine has a mips cpu |
| 00:48.06 | KDE4000 | cpu model : MIPS 4KEc V4.8 |
| 00:48.12 | iridos | thinks there exist slightly more hardware differences than how it sorts several bytes |
| 00:48.33 | KDE4000 | well i tried a "mips" binary from debian packages and it doesnt run |
| 00:48.34 | JordiGH | I wonder if I could fit Debian into a router... |
| 00:49.41 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, just get a big enough router |
| 00:49.45 | jelly-home | KDE4000: word endianess is just one of architecture features. there are a lot of completely mutually incompatible little-endian platforms |
| 00:50.05 | jelly-home | KDE4000: mipsel might have a better chance |
| 00:50.07 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: The biggest routers I've seen have about 8 megs of flash. |
| 00:50.18 | jelly-home | KDE4000: is your hardware known to be supported? |
| 00:50.36 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, the router ive got has a 40GB 2.5" seagate ;) |
| 00:50.57 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, its also clocked at 450Mhz and has 256MB ram |
| 00:51.00 | jelly-home | it has to route JUMBO packets |
| 00:51.37 | nolimitsoya | its an old, underclocked athlon4 :) |
| 00:51.57 | nolimitsoya | better to use it for filewalling and serving than throw it away, methinks |
| 00:52.06 | nolimitsoya | *firewalling |
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| 00:52.17 | KDE4000 | ./top: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 00:52.27 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: I guess I meant AP, not router. |
| 00:52.49 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: Is that router MIPS? |
| 00:52.51 | KDE4000 | this system is allready running linux... |
| 00:53.06 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, 786 |
| 00:53.13 | KDE4000 | i want to get PHP on this modem |
| 00:53.19 | KDE4000 | to run my PHP irc bot |
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| 00:54.32 | KDE4000 | jelly-home: idk, its a actiontec gt701 modem, lol |
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| 00:54.42 | nolimitsoya | JordiGH, soekris can hook you up with nice geode based singleboard computers perfect for a debian router/torrent server/music player computer |
| 00:54.43 | hellues | hey |
| 00:54.52 | hellues | i cannot install compiz-core |
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| 00:54.58 | hellues | i am using debian lenny |
| 00:55.01 | hellues | it said |
| 00:55.28 | jelly-home | KDE4000: it is VERY unlikely you're going to be able to stuck a debian installation and a php interpreter on a, say, 16MB flash |
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| 00:55.38 | KDE4000 | :/ |
| 00:55.39 | hellues | compiz-gtk depends on compiz-core and libdecoration0 |
| 00:55.43 | KDE4000 | yah its 16MB |
| 00:55.47 | JordiGH | nolimitsoya: Soon I will have real money, and with it, I expect to conquer the world. |
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| 00:55.49 | hellues | how can i fix it? Mus i fix it ? |
| 00:55.52 | KDE4000 | im just trying however |
| 00:55.57 | KDE4000 | i want to keep the current OS on there |
| 00:56.11 | KDE4000 | and install a debian MIPS package if i can |
| 00:56.21 | JordiGH | KDE4000: OpenWrt isn't hard to install... Just takes ages to compile. |
| 00:56.24 | KDE4000 | (extracted the .deb) |
| 00:56.33 | JordiGH | KDE4000: (it's another distro, though) |
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| 00:56.44 | nolimitsoya | KDE4000, http://soekris.eu/shop/net4801/net4801_48_board_only_en.html |
| 00:56.44 | KDE4000 | JordiGH: this isnt compatible with OpenWrt |
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| 00:57.03 | jelly-home | KDE4000: "mipsel"; and you'll need its dependencies too. It's not going to be that easy |
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| 00:58.00 | GhostlyDeath | can debian RAID? |
| 00:58.05 | KDE4000 | well it has part of procups package or whatever but it gets "./top: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" |
| 00:58.09 | GhostlyDeath | software RAID? |
| 00:58.10 | KDE4000 | when i try to use debian top :/ |
| 00:58.17 | KDE4000 | is there a better package to try? |
| 00:58.22 | nolimitsoya | GhostlyDeath, yes |
| 00:58.41 | GhostlyDeath | nolimitsoya: I got a 1999 PC and 2 15GB drives |
| 00:59.15 | iridos | wasn't there a howto for installing debian on/from another linux system (possibly even without reformatting the disks, so that /usr/local can stay intact)? |
| 00:59.17 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: it can. |
| 00:59.36 | GhostlyDeath | Will the Debian installer do it for me? |
| 00:59.52 | GhostlyDeath | it can set the RAID up? |
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| 01:00.27 | KDE4000 | # sh ./ps |
| 01:00.27 | KDE4000 | ./ps: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 01:00.36 | KDE4000 | everything is same error |
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| 01:01.21 | KDE4000 | oh wait |
| 01:01.25 | KDE4000 | this is made with uLibC |
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| 01:01.28 | KDE4000 | not glibc |
| 01:01.48 | KDE4000 | i bet thats the problem |
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| 01:03.14 | KDE4000 | I guess i will have to boot strap the evironment and start over |
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| 01:03.17 | themill | KDE4000: what's ./ps? a shell script? |
| 01:03.26 | KDE4000 | themill: ps progrma from debian ;/ |
| 01:03.35 | KDE4000 | at least i have all the sources for this system |
| 01:04.12 | themill | KDE4000: so what do you think running "sh ps" would do? You're asking sh to run ps as if it were a shell script. |
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| 01:04.59 | KDE4000 | # echo $PATH |
| 01:05.00 | KDE4000 | /usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/var |
| 01:05.18 | iridos | themill, actually he's not, he's just running one from the current directory... which is still suspicious |
| 01:05.18 | KDE4000 | in /var is "top" |
| 01:05.36 | KDE4000 | i dont have acess to anything but /var at this time, sorry |
| 01:05.37 | iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.41 | KDE4000 | yes |
| 01:05.47 | KDE4000 | its embeded... |
| 01:05.48 | KDE4000 | :P |
| 01:05.52 | KDE4000 | i have to hack the firmware too |
| 01:05.55 | KDE4000 | which is squashfs 1 |
| 01:05.57 | jelly-home | embedded = "anything goes" |
| 01:06.08 | themill | iridos: no, "sh ./ps" is different to "./ps" or "sh -c ./ps" |
| 01:06.09 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 01:06.26 | RichiH | coreutils should contain all documentation relating to software it contains, no? |
| 01:06.30 | shadeddie | can someone help with installation of adobe flash player? |
| 01:06.35 | jelly-home | KDE4000: why the hell are you trying to run php on a router/modem board? |
| 01:06.37 | KDE4000 | id like to know why the cpu loads are so high: 1:38pm up 1:38, load average: 1.00, 1.01, 0.93 |
| 01:06.40 | KDE4000 | jelly-home: why not? |
| 01:06.46 | iridos | themill, that's what I meant - running "./ps" is perfectly fine |
| 01:06.48 | jelly-home | KDE4000: it's insane? |
| 01:06.54 | themill | dpkg: tell shadeddie about adobe flash |
| 01:07.01 | KDE4000 | lol |
| 01:07.02 | KDE4000 | :/ |
| 01:07.08 | KDE4000 | its a simple php script man |
| 01:07.08 | iridos | themill, oh... I didn't see the "sh"... my apologies |
| 01:07.15 | KDE4000 | a IRC bot |
| 01:07.21 | iridos | KDE4000, listen to that man! :) |
| 01:07.23 | themill | iridos: except look at the line: [01:00] <KDE4000> # sh ./ps <KDE4000> ./ps: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 01:07.33 | themill | :) |
| 01:07.48 | iridos | themill, yes... this time it *did* change in front of my eyes :) |
| 01:07.48 | jelly-home | KDE4000: you're going to have to rebuild the php interpreter to be able to run in that environment; this has _very little_ to do with debian |
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| 01:07.55 | themill | iridos: heh |
| 01:08.12 | KDE4000 | jelly-home: yah, but i was thinking at the start i was going to be able to use debian built packages |
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| 01:08.21 | KDE4000 | but now i see that this system uses ulibc |
| 01:08.23 | KDE4000 | not glibc |
| 01:08.25 | shadeddie | exists any package for this installation? |
| 01:08.39 | KDE4000 | i will have to create a system with ulibc first |
| 01:08.39 | themill | shadeddie: etch? lenny? i386? amd64? |
| 01:08.46 | shadeddie | themill: etch |
| 01:08.47 | jelly-home | KDE4000: who'd have thought, a micro libc is used on a 16MB flash! :-| |
| 01:09.02 | KDE4000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.14 | jelly-home | and a whole 16MB RAM! |
| 01:09.24 | KDE4000 | after i get rid of the web control panel thing |
| 01:09.27 | KDE4000 | and http server... |
| 01:09.31 | KDE4000 | i will have more space |
| 01:09.38 | jelly-home | if you succeed in running php on it, I'll send you a beer. |
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| 01:09.56 | KDE4000 | :P |
| 01:10.04 | KDE4000 | php5 takes 2MB of disk space |
| 01:10.29 | iridos | if you succeed running iceweasel on it, I'll.... |
| 01:10.35 | KDE4000 | LOL |
| 01:10.37 | KDE4000 | no :P |
| 01:10.41 | KDE4000 | i wont try that |
| 01:10.41 | KDE4000 | lol |
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| 01:11.39 | shadeddie | themill: i've downloaded yet the adobe flash plugin 10 for adobe site, but i get some errors |
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| 01:12.40 | themill | shadeddie: indeed. You can't install it in etch. Did you follow the instructions dpkg sent you? |
| 01:13.25 | hellues | hey |
| 01:13.31 | hellues | someone can answer me :D |
| 01:13.44 | shadeddie | themill: no, how do i this? |
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| 01:14.27 | themill | shadeddie: do what? read the instructions from dpkg? did you get a message from the dpkg bot? |
| 01:15.16 | dondelelcaro | hellues: so install compiz-core and libdecoration0; if you cannot, run aptitude update; and try again. If it still doesn't work, give us the output. /msg dpkg bat; for details. |
| 01:15.52 | hellues | okey |
| 01:15.59 | hellues | i cannot install compiz-gtk |
| 01:16.01 | jelly-home | KDE4000: php5, built with all the extensions and libs your simple php script needs, is unlikely to fit on that embedded platform if I have to guess |
| 01:16.14 | hellues | because compiz-core and libdecaration0 will no install |
| 01:16.23 | dondelelcaro | hellues: then provide the output from aptitude or apt-get. |
| 01:16.32 | KDE4000 | i dont need all the php extentions |
| 01:16.35 | hellues | okey just a seon |
| 01:16.44 | shadeddie | themill: yeah, i read the instructions.... |
| 01:16.48 | KDE4000 | just the main core of PHP5 |
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| 01:17.28 | shadeddie | themill: 'a bot message of dpkg', what is this? |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | HI |
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| 01:18.49 | hellues | dondelelcaro, |
| 01:18.54 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/21726/ |
| 01:19.01 | richd | Question |
| 01:19.04 | richd | er, poll |
| 01:19.10 | jelly-home | !polls |
| 01:19.10 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:19.12 | JordiGH | !polls |
| 01:19.35 | richd | odds of various parts of my system dying if i do a dist upgrade to lenny? |
| 01:19.39 | richd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.45 | richd | from etch |
| 01:19.46 | jelly-home | richd: was that discouraging enough? :-) |
| 01:19.50 | richd | or is it pretty stable now? |
| 01:19.53 | richd | not quitew |
| 01:19.57 | dondelelcaro | hellues: so aptitude install compiz-core libdecoration0; |
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| 01:20.08 | KDE4000 | lol this modem takes forever to untar something :/ |
| 01:20.19 | jelly-home | richd: is it a nonserver system? |
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| 01:21.17 | richd | personal, single user lappy |
| 01:21.19 | jelly-home | richd: do you have 2-4 hours to waste in case feces hits the rotary blades? |
| 01:21.41 | richd | dual boot you mean? haha |
| 01:21.58 | jelly-home | no, fixing breakage |
| 01:22.46 | hellues | dondelelcaro, do you think.This really fix the issue.look http://paste.debian.net/21727/ |
| 01:22.47 | jelly-home | richd: if you do, then it's "pretty stable" |
| 01:22.55 | richd | do you think any wirreless or sound drivers might die? |
| 01:23.05 | dondelelcaro | hellues: no, but it'll tell me what your problem is. |
| 01:23.18 | richd | cool |
| 01:23.45 | richd | is syntax sudo apt-get dist-upgrade lenny |
| 01:23.45 | hellues | no |
| 01:23.48 | hellues | i mean |
| 01:23.50 | richd | is syntax: * |
| 01:23.55 | dondelelcaro | hellues: uh... you're not using Debian packages of compiz-gtk. Downgrade to the version that we actually distribute. |
| 01:24.11 | hellues | if i install compiz-gtk some package is graded some package conflicts with compiz-gtk |
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| 01:24.22 | hellues | i use |
| 01:24.31 | hellues | official debian repository dondelelcaro |
| 01:24.42 | jelly-home | hellues, http://download.tuxfamily.org is not official |
| 01:24.54 | richd | or should i change my sources.list to include lenny rather than etch |
| 01:24.56 | hellues | ha sorry |
| 01:24.58 | richd | and just do a package update |
| 01:25.02 | hellues | i forgot command out |
| 01:25.03 | dondelelcaro | hellues: no, you're not. We never distributed 1:0.7.9+git20080918.shame-0 or similar. |
| 01:25.24 | jelly-home | richd: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:25.34 | jelly-home | richd: NO WARRANTY |
| 01:25.50 | richd | lol |
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| 01:26.03 | richd | if i wanted warrentee, id be a mac user |
| 01:26.30 | hellues | dondelelcaro, what do you think about compiz shame repository ? |
| 01:26.37 | hellues | it is good bad or .. |
| 01:26.39 | dondelelcaro | hellues: I don't think about it |
| 01:26.45 | hellues | hmm |
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| 01:27.59 | hellues | okey |
| 01:28.13 | paxcoder | hellues: what is that? |
| 01:28.14 | hellues | my problem is fixed i think compiz shame repository is not good |
| 01:28.26 | hellues | whicj one paxcoder |
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| 01:29.01 | paxcoder | compiz shame |
| 01:29.12 | hellues | hmm |
| 01:29.17 | hellues | compiz shame repository |
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| 01:29.47 | hellues | paxcoder, |
| 01:29.50 | jelly-home | that's a shame |
| 01:29.53 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/21727/ |
| 01:29.56 | hellues | sorry |
| 01:30.06 | hellues | http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
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| 01:30.41 | jello | hello, i'm running unstable on my laptop, sound works fine in most applications, but i get no sound when trying to watch youtube videos using mozilla-plugin-gnash. any ideas? |
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| 01:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound? |
| 01:34.09 | jello | CutMeOwnThroat: you saying that sound doesn't work with gnash only with adobe's player? |
| 01:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I'm saying I don't know if it works with it because I've ... never or not in a long time used the gnash plugin |
| 01:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the BTS? |
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| 01:38.53 | mbrush | If you use linux in a commericial embedded product (HTTP only interface) how would you go about getting access to the source code (what's open) and licenses? |
| 01:39.00 | mbrush | sorry i couldn't find a better room |
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| 01:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jello, guess not, if you had, you'd have found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=475709 and also of possible interest http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472261 |
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| 01:41.09 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i beat you to it! and i just guessed! .. maybe possibly |
| 01:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbrush, mail/phone/fax the manufacturer if it's not sent with it... what else is there?... well, google first :) |
| 01:41.22 | jello | CutMeOwnThroat: i have gstreamer0.10-plugins-good installed as per 475709... |
| 01:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you're dealing with different codecs and the plugins for that are in the bad or ugly set? |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | it's flash .. that's its job AFAIK |
| 01:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, you did? you did it silently, then? :) |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i play on *both* networks! |
| 01:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | rubs eyes |
| 01:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | both? |
| 01:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | rubs brain |
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| 01:44.47 | RichiH | kicks coreutils |
| 01:44.58 | RichiH | no info page for hostid |
| 01:45.06 | RichiH | and the mapage is useless, as always |
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| 01:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is, I think |
| 01:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | try info coreutils hostid |
| 01:45.28 | jelly-home | RichiH: wayttd? |
| 01:45.46 | RichiH | jelly-home: i want to know how the hostid is calculated |
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| 01:46.05 | jello | RichiH: use the source? |
| 01:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bug in the manpage generation code which tells you to run info hostid instead of info coreutils hostid |
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| 01:46.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, ^^ |
| 01:46.27 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: no reason not to hate theinfo system :p |
| 01:46.36 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: but thanks, works :) |
| 01:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493182 |
| 01:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | sends everyone to the BTS today |
| 01:47.41 | RichiH | info coreutils hostid make me assume that the ID is not persistent |
| 01:48.25 | jelly-home | RichiH: it, um, calls gethostid(2) |
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| 01:48.48 | jelly-home | ltrace ftw |
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| 01:50.32 | jelly-home | gethostid(3), however, might also read from /etc/hostid |
| 01:51.02 | ma3x | why the following code: http://paste.debian.net/21728/ prints output like this: value is 1. value is 2. .............. |
| 01:51.08 | ma3x | instead of vice versa |
| 01:51.15 | ma3x | ah wrong channel |
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| 01:53.07 | jello | CutMeOwnThroat: fyi, i needed gstreamer0.10-plugins-{bad,ugly} |
| 01:53.28 | jelly-home | doesn't know whether there really is such a thing as gethostid(2) |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | jello: now you can watch 'Kenya' ? |
| 01:54.49 | jello | abrotman: kenya? |
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| 01:54.56 | jelly-home | lions? |
| 01:54.59 | jello | jelly-home: it has a manpage... |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/ |
| 01:55.13 | gguuest | ubuntu habla muy bien de mi ...laptop |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | gguuest: #ubuntu-es please |
| 01:55.53 | jello | RichiH: man 2 gethostid |
| 01:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jello, but that means that probably *some* of them played sound for you - also, you could file a bug report against it - the bad/ugly plugins should be at least in the "recommends" for that package (or are they?) |
| 01:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, off target in two different ways is still a miss :) |
| 01:58.57 | abrotman | eh who ? |
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| 01:59.35 | jelly-home | me gustan tacos... err, ubuntu |
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| 02:01.26 | RichiH | jello: ta |
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| 02:08.06 | stoned | uhm |
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| 02:10.54 | Elite|Jeti | Does anyone have a screenshot of debian GUI thats not ruinning grub? |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | GUI? grub? |
| 02:12.08 | superjet_busy | just get some of lilo, no difference |
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| 02:13.35 | mu-dev | most debian GUIs ruin grub |
| 02:13.53 | mu-dev | seriously... |
| 02:14.06 | mu-dev | you only see grub at the very start |
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| 02:14.14 | mu-dev | after that it doesn't show up |
| 02:14.48 | dustybin | should internal LAN, use the .lan prefix after the domain name? |
| 02:15.13 | mu-dev | stated another way... debian gui screenshots won't be any different with grub or something else |
| 02:15.40 | infinity1 | dustybin: it can be whatever you like |
| 02:15.46 | dustybin | ok |
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| 02:15.59 | mu-dev | dustybin: you can use that, I use .internal myself (and as inf says it can be anything you want) |
| 02:16.00 | cafuego | dustybin: But do try to not use an exising domain name. |
| 02:16.16 | infinity1 | and make it short |
| 02:16.16 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 02:16.20 | infinity1 | less typing |
| 02:16.23 | mu-dev | you will likely want a name server |
| 02:16.32 | cafuego | infinity1: that's what dns resolution is for ;-) |
| 02:16.45 | infinity1 | cafuego: you mean search domains? |
| 02:16.49 | cafuego | yes |
| 02:16.57 | dustybin | what does search domains mean? |
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| 02:17.23 | cafuego | dustybin: Say you're ssh'ing to 'wibble'. |
| 02:17.30 | infinity1 | cafuego: well, foobar comes over to your house and has some static info and search domains aren't configured meaning more typing :) |
| 02:17.40 | Elite|Jeti | Yes I meant lilo: is there any graphical difference? |
| 02:17.57 | cafuego | dustybin: The rsolver will try to get an IP for wibble, of that faisl it will try 'wibble.SEARCHDOMAIN' |
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| 02:18.07 | mu-dev | means if you put "search brat.booger.such.a.dork.com" in /etc/resolv.conf and you want... |
| 02:18.13 | cafuego | dustybin: So it's like a default domain to use when looking up addresses |
| 02:18.21 | infinity1 | i usually make my local domains "whatever.l" |
| 02:18.22 | mu-dev | me.brat.booger.such.a.dork.com |
| 02:18.22 | infinity1 | :) |
| 02:18.34 | infinity1 | people see that sometimes and are like WTF |
| 02:18.52 | cafuego | is boring and has city.actualdomain |
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| 02:19.10 | dustybin | ok guys </social.engineering> |
| 02:19.21 | infinity1 | cafuego: thats not bad. you can make it resolve extnerally |
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| 02:19.21 | mu-dev | then you can use me anywhere (like: ping me, or http://me, or somegeek@me) |
| 02:19.36 | cafuego | infinity1: foobar doesn't get internet connectivity at my house, that's fine. |
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| 02:19.43 | infinity1 | lol |
| 02:20.00 | mu-dev | and it will put the search thing to the right |
| 02:20.03 | infinity1 | you're going to deny internet access to your grandma with her cheezy latptop? |
| 02:20.08 | infinity1 | ahh.. thats messed up :) |
| 02:20.13 | cafuego | infinity1: Damn straight |
| 02:20.27 | cafuego | I don't need zombies using my tubes |
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| 02:20.31 | infinity1 | yea. prolly has terrorist spyware on it anyway |
| 02:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, hello... |
| 02:20.45 | mu-dev | even if they are designed for zombies? |
| 02:20.52 | iridos | dustybin, ... you :) |
| 02:21.06 | mu-dev | six you? |
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| 02:21.14 | mu-dev | bee you? |
| 02:21.43 | Elite|Jeti | Yes I meant lilo: is there any graphical difference? |
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| 02:22.34 | cafuego | Elite|Jeti: marginally |
| 02:22.37 | mu-dev | no, lilo is only a boot loader... (like grub) it is configured through editing text files and is only used at the very start after you turn your computer on |
| 02:23.43 | Elite|Jeti | Thing is I have debian installed and it looks like ubuntu and many other linux distrps and I don't like it what else is there for desktop environments beyond kde? |
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| 02:24.22 | mu-dev | out of curiousity, why not grub? it has really great feature set compared to lilo... yes, they both boot linux and others, but you can get a grub shell at boot and use it to boot anything on any of your disks |
| 02:24.23 | iridos | Elite|Jeti, so why didn't you say that before and what's that got to do with grub? |
| 02:24.25 | jello | Elite|Jeti: xfce, gnome, many others... |
| 02:25.47 | iridos | Elite|Jeti, try "apt-cache search window.*manager --names-only" for a start... remove the --names-only to find more (with more false positives) |
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| 02:26.21 | Elite|Jeti | jello: whats xfce look like? |
| 02:26.30 | iridos | ratpoison would be "different" :) |
| 02:26.43 | Guerin | ratpoison is shit |
| 02:26.44 | jello | Elite|Jeti: snapshots.debian.net |
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| 02:26.58 | Guerin | if you want a minimal windowmanager which stays the fuck out of your way, use evilwm |
| 02:27.00 | amphi | Elite|Jeti: gtk-ish with one or more panels |
| 02:27.01 | mu-dev | Elite|Jeti: run it and see... or there might be shapsnots |
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| 02:27.19 | Guerin | for all wms, see xwinman.org |
| 02:27.25 | Guerin | they are legion |
| 02:27.25 | jello | Elite|Jeti: er, http://screenshots.debian.net/ |
| 02:27.34 | iridos | Guerin, start a wm war! |
| 02:27.39 | Guerin | !start a wm war |
| 02:27.41 | jello | !start a wm war |
| 02:27.43 | dpkg | X bites! |
| 02:27.43 | iridos | haha |
| 02:27.52 | jello | !start a wm war |
| 02:27.52 | Guerin | dpkg: that's stupid |
| 02:27.53 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows goats! |
| 02:27.53 | dpkg | Guerin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:27.59 | mu-dev | !start a war |
| 02:27.59 | dpkg | i heard start a war is GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
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| 02:28.05 | jello | ah yes, fvwm95... |
| 02:28.35 | iridos | pft, seems dustybin doesn't care |
| 02:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | qvwm also looks like windows95 |
| 02:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... I recommend "sugar" |
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| 02:36.49 | Octalot | dpkg's latest musing is the counterargument to http://xkcd.com/504/ |
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| 02:42.43 | Pavlz | hello |
| 02:43.18 | Pavlz | i am searching a software similar to winrpt for GNU/linux, totally free software |
| 02:43.35 | amphi | what is winrpt? |
| 02:43.48 | Pavlz | is there anyone under the terms of GNU General Public License ? |
| 02:44.02 | Pavlz | is a software for wi-fi |
| 02:44.37 | Pavlz | winrpt is only *.exe |
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| 02:44.50 | Pavlz | it is for winzozz |
| 02:44.56 | amphi | 'a software for wi-fi'... |
| 02:45.04 | amphi | could you be less vague? |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | amphi: it makes eggs! |
| 02:46.11 | amphi | \o/ |
| 02:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | scrambled? |
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| 02:46.52 | amphi | an 'eierlegende wollmilchsau' perchance? |
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| 02:47.41 | Pavlz | WinRPT for an Integrated operational. environment. ... within WinRPT that manages information. about Panel Antenna Systems. The main ... |
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| 02:48.55 | abrotman | amphi: it makes eggs! |
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| 02:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and milk |
| 02:49.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... a whole cake! |
| 02:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pavlz, perhaps tell us what you want to do? |
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| 02:50.26 | Pavlz | i read the informations in italian |
| 02:50.41 | Pavlz | try you with your google |
| 02:52.17 | Rythum | Hi, I was used list the current services running by using nmap program. Is there another way to list the services running on debian? |
| 02:52.48 | dondelelcaro | Rythum: netstat -plunt; |
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| 02:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you read what you want to do? |
| 03:00.25 | mu-dev | Rythum: do you have control over the machine? |
| 03:00.53 | amphi | Pavlz: OTOH, you could google for such a linux program, or search on freshmeat.net |
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| 03:01.23 | Pavlz | what is OTOH ? |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | !otoh |
| 03:01.47 | dpkg | it has been said that otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
| 03:01.49 | mu-dev | google for "jargon otoh" |
| 03:02.09 | mu-dev | or google for "jargon file" |
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| 03:03.18 | asg | Pavlz: you can also install the bsdgames package and then run '/usr/games/wtf is otoh' |
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| 03:03.24 | amphi | adds another /completion item |
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| 03:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.baidumsg.com/Howtoremove/Howtoremove_44915.html -> How to remove WINRPT.EXE -Virus Scan |
| 03:05.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm |
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| 03:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, can't remember any such program right now |
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| 03:12.16 | amphi | a 3.7 _MB_ 'virus'?? haha |
| 03:12.25 | amphi | how standards have fallen |
| 03:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's actually - besides of a virus - a pretty specialized network planning tool |
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| 03:28.32 | blizzow | Anyone here get the new 64bit flash player working on etch? |
| 03:33.21 | abrotman | i doubt it works on etch |
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| 03:35.39 | amphi | doubts it works at all |
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| 03:44.46 | junix | i seem to bhaving some trouble mounting a windows CDROM, can someone help me out? |
| 03:44.54 | junix | its telling em wrong FS Type |
| 03:44.58 | junix | i've used vfat |
| 03:44.59 | junix | ntfs |
| 03:45.04 | junix | not sure what else to use |
| 03:45.20 | abrotman | iso9660 |
| 03:45.36 | junix | tried that too |
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| 03:45.41 | abrotman | auto ? |
| 03:46.10 | junix | that worked! |
| 03:46.13 | junix | thank you! |
| 03:46.19 | enouf | you mean, a windows installation cd ? udf? |
| 03:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought all cds were iso9660... in different flavors |
| 03:52.57 | TCW | file -Ls /dev/cdromdevice and you know what FS the CD has... iso9660 may be right for 99% of all cdroms, but there are other possible filesystems, in generall almoast all filesystems are possible... even if they are readonly then :) |
| 03:53.20 | TCW | good nite folks |
| 03:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said "windows cdrom", though |
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| 04:09.06 | Dominicus | Can someone please direct me to a website that they've already used to get Flash Player 10 installed and running in IceWeasel? (I've already tried the one shown at http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer, and it doesn't work for me.) |
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| 04:13.19 | kenjy | guys can you help me? I can't start postgres, I type /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 start and it shows a permission message: http://rafb.net/p/oHC83M73.html |
| 04:15.03 | Dominicus | kenjy: It doesn't look like you're trying to start postgresql as root, put sudo at the beginning of your command first. |
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| 04:15.18 | kenjy | Dominicus: but Im doing it like root |
| 04:15.34 | kenjy | Dominicus: I don't have sudo installed |
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| 04:16.02 | Dominicus | kenjy: You used "su -" then? |
| 04:16.37 | kenjy | Dominicus: same error |
| 04:16.48 | kenjy | Dominicus: http://rafb.net/p/fMPzlz79.html |
| 04:17.14 | superjet_busy | it seems some error with postgresql package |
| 04:17.20 | Dominicus | alrighty... what about the line in the error message, that for some reason, says, "cannot be run as root, Please log in (using, e.g., "su") as the (unprivileged) user that will own the server process." |
| 04:18.11 | kenjy | Dominicus: then the error its different http://rafb.net/p/h18dGG73.html |
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| 04:19.57 | Dominicus | kenjy: Hmmm. Bummer. Well, I'm not capable of reading the espanol accompanying the error message, but yeah, I got nothing otherwise. But, it does look like a config/permission/owner issue. At leas it's not segfaulting wildly. =) |
| 04:20.19 | kenjy | Dominicus: please read my paste, I added a sencod output with the message in english |
| 04:20.25 | kenjy | Dominicus: ussing the LANG variable :) |
| 04:21.25 | Dominicus | kenjy: Well, I've never actually used postgresql. But, what is the permissions and ownership of the /var/run/postgresql file? |
| 04:21.39 | kenjy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.48 | Dominicus | kenjy: Because, it looks like the postgres user doesn't have access to it for some reason. |
| 04:22.04 | kenjy | Dominicus: I understand |
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| 04:24.08 | defo | how can I know the symbols of a .so file? |
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| 04:28.09 | stew | defo: objdump -T |
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| 04:33.48 | troubled | kenjy: should be owned by postgres user/group |
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| 05:02.00 | factor | does anyone have a easycam working under linux it is a ov511, I install the drivers but I still have no available video device. shows up in lsusb or cat /proc/bus/usb/devices , but the later has a part that says I:* If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=(none) |
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| 05:02.58 | factor | and the lsmod says ov511 69360 0 |
| 05:03.15 | factor | usually you want that to say 1 and not 0 correct |
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| 05:18.13 | jello | cls |
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| 05:26.16 | monzie | Hello |
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| 05:30.25 | monzie | I want to move to using Debian, I am downloading this image http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/ia64/iso-cd/debian-40r5-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 05:30.25 | monzie | is this the correct one? |
| 05:32.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you have an itanium? its correct if you do. |
| 05:33.34 | karsten | monzie: That looks like a netinst image. If you want to do a network-based install, that should be good. |
| 05:33.58 | karsten | monzie: Specifically it's a Lennie release candidate (lenny is the next, not-yet-released, version of Debian). |
| 05:34.05 | monzie | karsten: I have Intel Core 2 Duo based laptop (Acer Aspire 2920) |
| 05:34.31 | monzie | Requirements: |
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| 05:34.41 | monzie | 1) Things should not break! ( kernel drivers .. mainly audio and virtualbox |
| 05:34.50 | karsten | monzie: You want the AMD64 image, *NOT* ia64). |
| 05:34.51 | monzie | 2) Java should be stable ( want to run Eclipse .. work stuff) |
| 05:35.09 | monzie | 3) good KDE dev environment ( gcc 4.2 + / stable compilers and libs) |
| 05:35.15 | karsten | !amd64 |
| 05:35.15 | dpkg | amd64 is probably the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 05:35.38 | monzie | i will be using Debian at work , so I cannot afford any breakage. |
| 05:35.42 | karsten | monzie: I've had *really* bad results with KDE4 on Kubuntu. Haven't seen how it's working with Debian. |
| 05:35.53 | karsten | monzie: I think that that's more a KDE issue than a distro issue. |
| 05:36.09 | monzie | karsten: yes. I have ended up compiling KDE4 by hand on Kubuntu a lot |
| 05:36.14 | karsten | monzie: Java should be good. /msg dpkg java. |
| 05:36.36 | karsten | monzie: KDE3 seems the *much* better bet at present. |
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| 05:37.06 | karsten | monzie: 4 is pretty but really buggy. |
| 05:37.45 | monzie | karsten: unfortunately or fortunately, I am writing a book on KDE4. So i will have to work on KDE4 at home . Will work on Eclipse / Java stuff at work :) |
| 05:38.04 | karsten | monzie: Gotchya. |
| 05:38.26 | monzie | is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso the correct one for me? |
| 05:38.28 | karsten | monzie: Not sure about the java situation, but no issues that I'm waware of. |
| 05:38.56 | karsten | monzie: Just make sure you get the amd64 image. ia64 is pretty much *only* for itanium, which effectively doesn't exist. |
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| 05:39.20 | monzie | karsten: then how do the developers work on the itanium port? |
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| 05:39.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. |
| 05:39.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | they own itaniums? |
| 05:40.11 | monzie | hmm |
| 05:40.26 | karsten | monzie: What I mean is that there's very, very little itanium hardware being produced. Enough to support the porting effort, I suppose, but not much else. |
| 05:40.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | Just like Alpha (which will be dead soon anyway :() |
| 05:41.02 | monzie | karsten: lenny would be "testing" i presume |
| 05:41.11 | monzie | is a newbie to debian, a little confused. |
| 05:41.16 | karsten | Kamping_Kaiser: Dig. |
| 05:41.36 | karsten | monzie: "testing" is now lenny. |
| 05:42.31 | karsten | monzie: Debian uses two sets of names to refer to releases. |
| 05:42.56 | monzie | karsten: can you help me find the lenny netinst cd please? I am unable to find it in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/list-cd/ |
| 05:43.35 | karsten | Named releases never change their names (bo, hamm, slink, woody, sarge, lenny, etch, etc.), but pass through stages: testing, stable, oldstable, and usupported. |
| 05:43.48 | monzie | karsten: oh ok... got i |
| 05:44.09 | karsten | monzie: There's also Unstable (which is always Sid), and "experimental", wihich is stuff that's not yet in unstable. |
| 05:44.35 | karsten | monzie: One sec. |
| 05:44.35 | karsten | (or longer. Slow links here). |
| 05:46.49 | karsten | monzie: www.debian.org left hand lavigation "Getting Debian" => Network Install. |
| 05:47.18 | karsten | monzie: You will probably beat me to it that way. |
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| 05:48.32 | monzie | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:48.41 | monzie | is what I am getting |
| 05:49.18 | karsten | monzie: here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ get this netinst: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 05:49.37 | mu-dev | monzie: another choice.... you could install what's on the etch netinst (which is etch base only) and upgrade that immediately |
| 05:49.54 | karsten | That too. |
| 05:50.15 | karsten | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:50.15 | karsten | Should be the actual ISO. |
| 05:50.40 | karsten | monzie: Since that's a daily build, it's not guaranteed to work. If it doesn't, installing etch and upgrading is recommended. |
| 05:51.13 | mu-dev | with amd64 arch you'll have a few problems with things like flash and other stuff not offered as source (hence non-free) |
| 05:51.52 | monzie | mu-dev: what about performance? Do i stand to lose performance if I go in for x86 on an Intel Core 2 Duo? |
| 05:52.04 | mu-dev | maybe a little |
| 05:52.18 | Guerin | no |
| 05:52.40 | monzie | Does anyone have skype working (with sound) on Debian x86_32? |
| 05:52.43 | Guerin | only if you're doing very intensive number-crunching, media or ram-intensive work |
| 05:52.57 | Guerin | monzie: ask skype forums |
| 05:52.57 | mu-dev | well you wouldn't want to install a 386 or 486 kernel... |
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| 05:53.20 | monzie | Guerin: lots of Java work in the day and C++ compilation ( KDE ) devel work at night |
| 05:53.25 | statim | is there a way to make sure apt never installs a certain package, but tell it its dependencies are met? |
| 05:53.34 | Guerin | monzie: you won't notice. |
| 05:53.48 | Guerin | statim: don't try to fool apt. |
| 05:53.48 | mu-dev | and, you can have a 32b userland but amd64 kernel |
| 05:54.55 | mu-dev | would compiling be considered ram intensive? |
| 05:55.04 | monzie | mu-dev: are you talking about the ia32-* stuff like in Ubuntu? |
| 05:55.11 | statim | Guerin: this one is important :( i want to install rubygems from apt, update rubygems from its own procedure, and then make sure apt never re-updates it (or downgrades it more likely). but anything that depends on it should feel free to work |
| 05:55.29 | troubled | statim: ahh, Guerin should be able to help ya with the name |
| 05:55.31 | mu-dev | I haven't tried ubuntu, so I don't know |
| 05:55.51 | troubled | Guerin: you remember the name of that app that makes a virtual package for dep issues? |
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| 05:56.20 | mu-dev | statim: I have had fairly consistant bad luck with pacjkages for ruby |
| 05:56.39 | mu-dev | when I built everything myself, worked just fine |
| 05:57.15 | statim | mu-dev: ok, so if i just install rubygems from source, is there a way i can make sure apt never installs it or anything that depends on it? |
| 05:57.36 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
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| 05:57.58 | troubled | statim: doesnt gems install into /usr/local or a users home dir or something? |
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| 05:58.03 | oobe | when i type aptitude search cunt it yields no results does anyone know where i can find cunt |
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| 05:58.11 | Guerin | statim: put it on hold. |
| 05:58.23 | mu-dev | I'd build all parts of ruby from source, in a place other than /usr (your home dir, /usr/local are two good places) |
| 05:58.25 | Guerin | troubled: you're talking about equivs, but that's not the answer here. |
| 05:58.34 | Guerin | karsten: no, but I'm about to have one. |
| 05:58.41 | karsten | statim: auto-apt has a shell mode which automatically detects accesses to non-installed packages and tells you what package they're in You have the option of installing them then at a prompt. |
| 05:58.46 | karsten | Guerin: w00t! |
| 05:58.56 | karsten | oobe: At great distances from you, by all appearances. |
| 05:58.56 | troubled | Guerin: thanks, seems so though. can never remember that one |
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| 05:59.15 | Guerin | karsten: T minus seventeen days |
| 05:59.17 | troubled | Guerin: he was askin in #ubuntu, but never mentioned this part yet until he came here |
| 05:59.21 | mu-dev | then you are the maintainer of that ruby on your site, and questions would be directed towards you (first) and ruby maints (second) |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | (though these things aren't usually delivered on-time or under budget) |
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| 06:00.30 | troubled | karsten: still beboppin around here i see :) |
| 06:01.23 | karsten | troubled: Yep. |
| 06:01.56 | mu-dev | then, that ruby will be fully independent of debian as a whole and any part. so: even if debian -did- upgrade that copy of rubygems, the version you built would be untouched |
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| 06:07.48 | DogBoy | trying to install fnord on an arm architecture with lenny |
| 06:08.00 | DogBoy | not finding the package and not sure what to do about it |
| 06:08.31 | DogBoy | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/fnord |
| 06:08.45 | DogBoy | says it's available |
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| 06:10.14 | DogBoy | oh I see |
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| 06:46.23 | owen1 | how to set xterm to it's defaults, using .Xdefaults file? |
| 06:46.40 | karsten | owen1: How do you mean? |
| 06:47.09 | owen1 | karsten: i changed the colors of xterm by modifying this file.. |
| 06:47.29 | owen1 | karsten: i don't know how to bring it back to it's defaults.. |
| 06:47.47 | karsten | owen1: If you want to *remove* all xdrm settings: xrdb -query | grep -i xterm | xrdb -remove |
| 06:47.59 | stoned | I am looking to install php-gtk in debian |
| 06:48.09 | stoned | I can't find any packages called php-gtk or anything of the sort |
| 06:48.18 | stoned | any idea if the libs are packaged or whats going on? |
| 06:48.30 | karsten | owen1: If you want to set values, look at examples in /etc/X11/Xresources |
| 06:48.41 | karsten | owen1: Have you been setting xrdb values? |
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| 06:49.18 | owen1 | karsten: after modifying this file i run: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults is that what u mean? |
| 06:49.31 | karsten | owen1: Yeah. |
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| 06:50.03 | owen1 | karsten: so your solution to 'remove' the settings will bring it back to defaults? |
| 06:50.23 | karsten | owen1: So to remove all tohose settings, you can get the values using xrdb -query. You can remove them with "xrdb -remove". The pipe trick should work. |
| 06:50.45 | owen1 | karsten: nice. thanks! |
| 06:50.47 | karsten | owen1: "back to the defaults" == removing all and any xterm X11 resources. |
| 06:51.04 | karsten | owen1: Otherwise: nuke / rename your file (if it's sourced at X startup) and launch another X session. |
| 06:51.31 | karsten | owen1: That was one of the long-ago very slick tricks I learned on Unix. I enjoed learning it. |
| 06:51.36 | karsten | owen1: AAnyhows, bedtime. |
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| 07:03.26 | groken | does anyone know of a way to kill a command that does not complete within a certain amount of time? |
| 07:04.14 | karsten | groken: There's no stock utility that does that. |
| 07:04.44 | karsten | groken: I wrote one fo rthat task, see if I can't find it... |
| 07:04.48 | Guerin | groken: command & sleep 60m && killall command; will usually kill command after an hour |
| 07:05.21 | Guerin | (but it's a diurty hack) |
| 07:06.18 | mu-dev | it seems straightforward enough to me... for example the sleep will be accurate |
| 07:06.25 | karsten | Not safe if more instances of "command" are running. |
| 07:06.33 | Guerin | karsten: true |
| 07:06.41 | mu-dev | oh, the killall, yes I agree there... |
| 07:06.55 | mu-dev | so you need the pid |
| 07:07.03 | Guerin | you can trivially grab the pid when command is run, though, and then kill it |
| 07:07.14 | Guerin | this is just the least-keystrokes method :) |
| 07:07.24 | Octalot | Search bash's manpage for "ulimit" |
| 07:07.44 | Octalot | the stock utility to do it is the Linux kernel :) |
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| 07:08.43 | Octalot | correction - that has a limit on CPU time, but not wall-clock time |
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| 07:11.46 | groken | Guerin: mu-dev karsten i know that only one instance of this command will be running at a time |
| 07:12.24 | milligan_ | Does anyone in here use jailkit? If so, do you know how I can add gcc to the jail, so users can compile their own binaries ? |
| 07:12.28 | Guerin | groken: then my solution will work |
| 07:13.04 | DogBoy | I installed lenny on my arm device only to find that debian is switching from arm to armel, the packages I want are not available yet in armel |
| 07:13.06 | groken | this is for a program that i'm trying to run in an unattended mode. we don't have the source and it hangs a lot meaning that someone has to sit at the terminal and monitor it for lockups |
| 07:13.22 | DogBoy | should I go back to etch or what to do |
| 07:13.50 | karsten | groken: Give me a minute here... |
| 07:13.51 | karsten | groken: http://paste.debian.net/21735/ |
| 07:14.04 | groken | and the application that calls the command doesn't seem capable of doing too much :/ |
| 07:14.09 | karsten | Octalot: ulimit doesn't fit here. |
| 07:14.36 | karsten | groken: Do you know it dies or has died after a certain amount of time? |
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| 07:14.50 | karsten | groken: ... or is there some sign of its having hung that you can detect? |
| 07:14.55 | Guerin | apps which die randomly are the hated enemy |
| 07:15.21 | karsten | Guerin: I once had an app which died pseudorandomly. |
| 07:15.45 | groken | the short answer is, if it's been a minute and not completed it has died |
| 07:15.49 | groken | karsten: ^^^ |
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| 07:16.12 | karsten | groken: That script that I gave you then, if saved as 'ttl' on your path: 'ttl -t 60 <command>' |
| 07:16.38 | groken | Guerin: it's likely not the app that dies, but i'm not really sure atm. this is for a hardware detector that has this rather annoying bug |
| 07:16.39 | Guerin | oo, nifty |
| 07:16.45 | groken | karsten: <3 |
| 07:16.52 | karsten | groken: :) |
| 07:16.58 | thinline_ | how do I regenerate my ssh host keys in /etc/ssh ? |
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| 07:17.01 | Guerin | karsten: you have another fan! |
| 07:17.16 | karsten | Guerin: Just in time for winter. |
| 07:17.20 | groken | Guerin: don't worry, we only paid 100k usd for it :) |
| 07:17.33 | karsten | groken: I'll take 10% ;-) |
| 07:17.55 | groken | i'll tell the air force to wire it right to you :) |
| 07:17.55 | Guerin | has another one of those moments we have when I'm stoked to not be working in the IT industry |
| 07:18.15 | Guerin | groken: they call it the Air Farce these daze |
| 07:18.22 | groken | hehe |
| 07:18.23 | karsten | thinline: ssh-keygen. The recipie itself is in the sshd postinst. /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst I think |
| 07:18.59 | karsten | groken: Cool. |
| 07:19.12 | karsten | is reminded of a military confrontation he had recent.y. |
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| 07:19.39 | karsten | I and my crew decided not to massivlely humiliate the Candian navy by attacking their destroyer. |
| 07:19.48 | karsten | Granted, we were in a 2-man rowboat at the time. |
| 07:20.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:20.42 | karsten | Frigate: http://www.navy.dnd.ca/winnipeg/ |
| 07:20.50 | karsten | HMCS Winnipeg. |
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| 07:22.41 | kryptoz | hi, what does this do ---> :(){ :|:& };: |
| 07:23.26 | Guerin | kryptoz: it ruins your day, until you hit the power button |
| 07:24.33 | Guerin | kryptoz: explanation: it defines a function which runs itself , backgrounds itself, and runs itself again |
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| 07:25.49 | infinity1 | what language is that |
| 07:26.12 | thinline | I'm a little confused here. I am updating an etch server and the ssh-vulnkey is returning 'COMPROMISED' for /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub but when I delete them and re-run/var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst configure I still get compromised keys... |
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| 07:28.09 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:28.18 | infinity1 | sweet. i ran it on one of our lab machines at work. looks like it needs a reboot |
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| 07:39.38 | infinity1 | cool. learn something weird every day. fork bomb : http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ |
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| 07:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha... |
| 07:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I 2nd that: |
| 07:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !s2disk |
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| 07:44.37 | dpkg | from memory, s2disk is something what does not work. |
| 07:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | does someone disagree with it? |
| 07:45.19 | Guerin | hm |
| 07:45.27 | Guerin | suspend2 works fine |
| 07:45.42 | Guerin | on my wife's stinkpad, anyhow |
| 07:46.05 | thinline | how can I bypass the ssh-vulnkey check in sshd? |
| 07:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | s2ram not anymore for me... that's why I'm bothering about s2disk at all - at lest with s2both it's not a real crash, then |
| 07:46.30 | Guerin | thinline: what a stupid idea |
| 07:46.42 | thinline | Guerin: thanks jack ass |
| 07:46.52 | Guerin | thinline: it's like asking `how can i disable the safety catch on my automatic rifle?' |
| 07:47.04 | Guerin | thinline: even Jackass wouldn't do it |
| 07:47.04 | thinline | to shoot it? |
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| 07:47.24 | thinline | maybe if someone had responded to 'I'm a little confused here. I am updating an etch server and the ssh-vulnkey is returning 'COMPROMISED' for /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub but when I delete them and re-run/var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst configure I still get compromised keys...' |
| 07:47.45 | thinline | I would have a better idea .. but in the mean time I can't make new connections to a remote server via ssh |
| 07:47.51 | thinline | if I lose this conneciton I'm fucked |
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| 07:47.59 | Guerin | thinline: install a new openssh server from debian-security. |
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| 07:48.02 | thinline | and thus I need to disable it until I can fix it |
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| 07:48.13 | thinline | Guerin: wow brilliant, I just did that |
| 07:48.16 | thinline | and it fails... |
| 07:48.41 | Guerin | thinline: you shouln't need to, but you might consider deleting the old files in /var/cache/apt/archives and/var/lib/dpkg/info, and restarting the daemon |
| 07:48.49 | Guerin | it fails how? |
| 07:49.03 | thinline | it keeps generating bad keys |
| 07:49.16 | Guerin | post full output to paster |
| 07:49.38 | Guerin | i probably can't help you (or won't, because I'm busy), but other might |
| 07:49.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm sleeping |
| 07:50.01 | thinline | well, I appreciate you calling me stupid in the mean time |
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| 07:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | other than my laptop..... |
| 07:50.21 | Guerin | i didn't call you stupid - I called your idea stupid, which it manifestly was. |
| 07:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, that's so you feel valued :) |
| 07:50.57 | Guerin | thinline: anyway, don't take it so personal. Sure - stupid is as stupid does, but it takes more than one stupid idea to make one permanently stupid. |
| 07:51.55 | thinline | btw, it was NOT a stupid idea, the keys have been 'vulnerable' for a long time before this. bypassing the check does not hurt anything in the short term |
| 07:52.07 | Guerin | famous last words |
| 07:52.23 | Guerin | `keys' and `vulnerable' in the same sentence = stupid idea |
| 07:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | brings out the popcorn |
| 07:52.40 | Guerin | otherwise, why not run telnet? |
| 07:52.49 | thinline | sigh |
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| 07:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting... never thoght of that key |
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| 07:54.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the postinstall script runs ssh-vulkey automatically on the host secret key? |
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| 07:54.46 | thinline | yes, and so does the ssh daemon somehow |
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| 07:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, actually, ssh-vulkey -a doesn't test that file... |
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| 07:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh-keygen is in openssh-client |
| 07:57.25 | thinline | it does on my server ... I'm going to force reinstall.. |
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| 07:58.09 | imagelif1 | clear |
| 07:58.17 | ReKlipz1 | ever since a recent samba update, i've been having issues with guest access and file permissions. is anyone else having these problems? (debian lenny amd64) |
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| 07:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dsa1571 |
| 07:58.59 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
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| 07:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, try to install the openssl package first? |
| 07:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me like it's a runtime library from openssl that is just loaded into ssh |
| 07:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and btw. |
| 08:00.03 | thinline | there is something wrong with my package list I think... |
| 08:00.17 | thinline | it's not getting from security ... |
| 08:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssh vulnkey |
| 08:00.29 | dpkg | ssh vulnkey is, like, ask me about <dsa1571> <ssl-vulnkey>. |
| 08:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this factoid trying to ssh-vulnkey instead of ssh-vulnkey or should there be a factoid ssl-vulnkey? |
| 08:01.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ssl-vlunkey |
| 08:01.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | er. |
| 08:01.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ssl-vulnkey |
| 08:02.09 | thinline | Get:2 http://http.us.debian.org etch/main openssh-server 1:4.3p2-9etch3 [224kB] |
| 08:02.25 | thinline | but I have deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib in my sources lists... |
| 08:02.44 | thinline | any way to figure out why it's not picking the newer package? |
| 08:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kamping_Kaiser, you wouldn't believe me that it's not there, now would you? |
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| 08:03.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | CutMeOwnThroat, looks pretty absent. |
| 08:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, pinning? did't run apt-get update? er... |
| 08:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think ssh-vlunkey is meant... that makes more sense and exists |
| 08:03.20 | thinline | always run update |
| 08:03.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | thinline, has it ignored securities key for some reason? |
| 08:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ssh vulnkey~ssl-/ssh-/ |
| 08:03.44 | dpkg | no idea, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 08:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn :) |
| 08:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, what's your openssl version? |
| 08:04.23 | thinline | I don't have openssl installed .. not needed for ssh |
| 08:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how is a key generated? |
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| 08:04.55 | thinline | Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex |
| 08:05.06 | thinline | then Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 08:05.14 | thinline | ... |
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| 08:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinline, it's libssl0.9.8 what I called sloppily "openssl" and you MUST have it |
| 08:06.24 | thinline | oh yea |
| 08:06.38 | thinline | 0.9.8e-5 |
| 08:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3) |
| 08:07.56 | thinline | maybe I should change from etch to stable ... |
| 08:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | why dont you have the etch suffix? |
| 08:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch == stable |
| 08:08.33 | thinline | yea, I know |
| 08:08.54 | thinline | but it's not getting the packages from security like it should ... |
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| 08:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 08:09.47 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libssl0.9.8: 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch) 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch-security) 0.9.8g-14 (lenny) 0.9.8g-14 (sid) |
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| 08:10.42 | thinline | http://paste.debian.net/21738 that is my sources.list |
| 08:10.55 | thinline | see anything wrong with that? |
| 08:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | non-free is missing for the security server... but libssl shouldnt be non-free? |
| 08:13.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... it might actually be |
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| 08:15.51 | thinline | nope ... grr |
| 08:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | because encryption is outlawed e.g. in .fr |
| 08:16.09 | thinline | thats different |
| 08:16.18 | thinline | thats non-us |
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| 08:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no non-us anymore |
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| 08:16.52 | thinline | oh.. hmm been using debian for ~8 years ...cant keep everything straight |
| 08:17.31 | thinline | where can I delete my package cache? |
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| 08:17.48 | thinline | oops |
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| 08:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, show the output of apt-get update ; apt-get install libssl0.9.8 |
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| 08:20.17 | thinline | (changed to ftp.debian.org to try and update the cache didn't work) |
| 08:21.06 | thinline | http://paste.debian.net/21739 |
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| 08:21.15 | Polysics | hi all |
| 08:21.31 | Polysics | blunt question: is there any reason to run Debian over Ubuntu as a server? |
| 08:21.50 | Polysics | i'm getting my first housed server and want to make an informed decision :-) |
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| 08:22.20 | moccuo | I' setting up my VPS now and im having a hard time deciding on using Ubuntu Server or Debian. Having used both they seem pretty much identical to me. Is there anything that either one does better than the other? |
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| 08:22.31 | moccuo | s/I'/I'm |
| 08:22.34 | Polysics | lol |
| 08:22.38 | mac123 | hi all my server has 2 nics i want to config them separately currently the traffic passes thru 1st nic only is there a way to use them separately |
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| 08:22.49 | Polysics | we all have the same question :-) |
| 08:23.03 | moccuo | Polysics: haha |
| 08:23.19 | Polysics | then i guess there is not really much difference :-) |
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| 08:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually you hae a higher version than without fix |
| 08:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, of course |
| 08:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were mixing |
| 08:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | your package is from lenny |
| 08:25.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but before the bugfix |
| 08:25.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | now... THAT'S STUPID |
| 08:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 08:25.46 | thinline | lol |
| 08:25.54 | thinline | yes, that is |
| 08:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bobbitt |
| 08:25.56 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 08:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | there |
| 08:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I disagree with the factoid |
| 08:26.39 | thinline | sigh, I bet someone set this to lenny and then aborted or something stupid |
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| 08:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't have the etch3 suffix and your version is higher than on etch... |
| 08:27.00 | thinline | i'll just install the packages manually |
| 08:27.02 | thinline | thanks |
| 08:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | should've seen that earlier if I wasn't so tired |
| 08:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can either go to the new lenny version |
| 08:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... or to lenny totally over time, it's time anyways |
| 08:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | or specify the version |
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| 08:28.09 | thinline | I just did a lenny switch earlier this week on another server and it didn't come back :-X |
| 08:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but probably you want to go to the lenny version of libssl now, then do an upgrade to lenny the following days or so |
| 08:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also switched this week... went rather well |
| 08:28.34 | thinline | how can you specify the version for a particular package? |
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| 08:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get install package=version |
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| 08:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | night |
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| 08:30.18 | Polysics | moccuo, for what it's worth, i think ubuntu is updated slightly faster |
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| 08:30.26 | Polysics | which might or not be a good thing |
| 08:30.48 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:30.48 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 08:33.23 | moccuo | Polysics: i see it as a good thing for testing/development, but for production i dunno. |
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| 08:35.39 | bonsaikitten | good morning |
| 08:36.01 | bonsaikitten | I've come across a bug or two in packages.debian.org ... anyone interested? :) |
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| 08:42.01 | owen1 | i try to use monaco fonts as my xterm default by setting .Xdefaults. I read about the command xfontsel that open dialog with all the options of fonts and help in creating the line in .Xdefaults. from some reason i don't see monaco there eventhough i installed Monaco_Linux on my machine. any idea? |
| 08:42.22 | OpenTokix | What backup systems for filebased backups are people using? |
| 08:42.38 | owen1 | OpenTokix: rsync? |
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| 08:42.39 | OpenTokix | I have tried rsnapshot with rsync, but it will consume the ram of the machine running it. |
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| 08:46.19 | owen1 | i try to use monaco fonts as my xterm default by setting .Xdefaults. I read about the command xfontsel that open dialog with all the options of fonts and help in creating the line in .Xdefaults. from some reason i don't see monaco there eventhough i installed Monaco_Linux on my machine. any idea? |
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| 08:53.44 | ringo999 | hi I'm trying to apply mactel kernel patches for macbook. i've never compiled a linux kernel, so I'm pretty lost with all the options. Does anyone have a working mactel patched kernel .config for macbook? |
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| 09:00.39 | simonrvn | ringo999: a) patched for what? b) why are you building if you have no clue? c) best way IME is to start off with lspci, and digging into what the hardware is, then carefully going through everything, and marking off everything needed to make it run. then you can look into adding addons. an inhel mac is just a peecee with a cutesy apple on it, plus it boots with efi, not a bios. |
| 09:00.55 | nxmehta | i'm trying to understand how mail delivery works... as i understand it, if I change $MAIL it will change the location of mail delivery. how does the system know $MAIL's value on a per use basis though? does it launch a per user login shell or something? |
| 09:00.56 | simonrvn | er, not best way, but a good one |
| 09:02.00 | simonrvn | nxmehta: why would it start a login shell? |
| 09:02.06 | ringo999 | simonrvn: patched to get some of the apple hardware working (i.e. the touchpad on the macbook is messed up otherwise). And I'm doing this because I want it to work and I want to learn as well. |
| 09:02.21 | owen1 | i installed Monaco_Linux.ttf but I can't see it in xfontsell app. any idea why? |
| 09:02.35 | simonrvn | so you probably have instructions on how to apply a patch. |
| 09:02.37 | nxmehta | simonrvn: how else would it know what value i set $MAIL to? it's in my .zshenv |
| 09:03.01 | nxmehta | simonrvn: it's not like i'm delivering the mail myself in my shell? |
| 09:03.11 | simonrvn | nxmehta: um, read() |
| 09:03.38 | simonrvn | aptitude install manpages-dev, then man read |
| 09:03.58 | OpenTokix | owen1: seems you need rsync 3.0 or newer to handle huge amount of files and data |
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| 09:04.47 | nxmehta | simonrvn: so you're saying whatever is doing mail delivery is parsing my dotfiles?! |
| 09:05.47 | simonrvn | it runs as you when delivering the mail to your box, so yes. it reads off your login shell, checks what rc files it uses, then reads the files. |
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| 09:06.08 | erpo | Is there some file in /sys or /proc I can cat to get all sorts of gratuitous information about my laptop's battery? |
| 09:06.13 | simonrvn | it doesn't actually have to run a subshell (unless you tell it ;) |
| 09:06.29 | nxmehta | simonrvn: wow, i had no idea. thanks, got it |
| 09:06.50 | simonrvn | erpo: no doubt |
| 09:07.20 | erpo | I would appreciate some pointers on the most efficient way to find that particular needle in the haystack. |
| 09:07.53 | simonrvn | using find? :) |
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| 09:08.17 | ReKlipz1 | anyone good with smb.conf? |
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| 09:09.51 | erpo | simonrvn: Duh. :) Found it. Next time I can't tie my shoes I'll know who to ask for help. |
| 09:10.05 | Supaplex | !wayttd ReKlipz1 |
| 09:10.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ReKlipz1? |
| 09:10.11 | simonrvn | erpo: hehe |
| 09:10.21 | simonrvn | ReKlipz1: try #samba |
| 09:10.26 | SlayerXP | ReKlipz1: i'm good at reducing the file to the smallest possible size. |
| 09:10.27 | owen1 | OpenTokix: i only have a few MB to backup.. |
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| 09:10.43 | Supaplex | I'm good at running man smb.conf ;) |
| 09:10.49 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: echo > /etc/smb.conf ? ;) |
| 09:10.59 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: dammit, don't tell everyone |
| 09:11.06 | Supaplex | simonrvn: touch /etc/smb.conf ;) |
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| 09:11.21 | simonrvn | Supaplex: if not existent ;p |
| 09:11.31 | OpenTokix | owen1: I have 2-3T |
| 09:11.37 | simonrvn | (pardon the bad grammar, i need sleep) |
| 09:11.50 | Supaplex | okay. besides, it's cp /dev/null /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 09:12.02 | Supaplex | needs zZZz's tew |
| 09:12.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:12.17 | simonrvn | Supaplex: eew ;p |
| 09:12.29 | ReKlipz1 | read all the docs, still not working as expected, #samba is dead atm |
| 09:12.40 | Supaplex | !shoot #samba |
| 09:12.40 | dpkg | blows #samba away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
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| 09:12.59 | simonrvn | must be a big gun to fit badgers in it |
| 09:13.19 | xoz | uses mindreading |
| 09:13.22 | Supaplex | big enough for an elephant to carry, naturally. |
| 09:13.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:13.44 | sparr | is there a program like that will let me take two versions of a file and mix them half and half, then 25/75, etc to narrow down a problem in the file? like git bisect if every line of the file was a revision? |
| 09:14.20 | Supaplex | sparr: user@localhost? |
| 09:14.23 | Supaplex | turns his monitors off |
| 09:14.33 | simonrvn | Supaplex: ni'night |
| 09:14.35 | sparr | funny man |
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| 09:17.41 | darrh00 | what's the difference betwen dummy-package and meta-package?are they the same? |
| 09:17.59 | xoz | !define dummy |
| 09:18.19 | xoz | the same way as dummy vs meta |
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| 09:36.22 | jelly-home | darrh00: a metapackage encompases multiple dependencies, bringing a specific feature set. A dummy package might just depend on one |
| 09:36.27 | erpo | sparr: You could probably write something like that pretty quickly. |
| 09:36.46 | jelly-home | darrh00: both are content-free, except for the dependencies |
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| 09:38.09 | jelly-home | !metapackage |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | it has been said that metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 09:39.18 | jelly-home | ... o-k. I won't call !dummy package |
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| 09:43.41 | bier_ | is it okay that "egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo" doesn't show up anything when i boot lenny's default xen-kernel, but it shows the vmx support when i boot the default non-xen lenny kernel? i am confused... |
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| 09:49.24 | DimmuR | if i have entries in fstab like /dev/mapper/root etc can i assume that i have lvm or can it be something else? |
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| 09:49.42 | OpenTokix | bier_: booting dom0 or domU? |
| 09:49.55 | bier_ | OpenTokix: dom0 |
| 09:50.06 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 09:50.14 | OpenTokix | There is a dom0-kernel i lenny? |
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| 09:51.43 | bier_ | i installed "linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64" |
| 09:52.12 | OpenTokix | isnt that only for domU's? |
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| 09:52.36 | bier_ | uhm.. don't know, i'll check that |
| 09:52.45 | bier_ | that would explain it... |
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| 09:56.06 | bier_ | well, i forgot i dist-upgraded to sid. so i'm on sid and it seems "linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64" is not a domU kernel. i guess that would be "xen-linux-system-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64". that's too confusing for my little brain :P |
| 09:56.54 | vedant | Hi, I need to maintain financial data on my computer. As the data is sensitive, I was wondering what would be the best way to protect it so that nobody else would be able to read it. Is changing permissions enough for financial data? |
| 09:58.08 | sung | vedant: look into truecrypt. |
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| 10:04.09 | th0ger | vedant: If the pc is stolen, only encrypted data is safe. (Never did it myself though) |
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| 10:08.20 | g00se | I assume you can just get source with m-a? All i want to do is look at it. I tried sudo m-a -v get dkim-filter |
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| 10:16.29 | freddy__ | I have some old sarge machines that can't be upgraded because of special software - are there any reposities for security updates for sarge left ? |
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| 10:17.07 | petemc | freddy__: no |
| 10:17.32 | mokola | question:doena anyone of u have the knowlege or experience with openssl+DigiCert+keyrenewal ? |
| 10:17.57 | freddy__ | petemc, ok - too bad forme :( |
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| 10:29.37 | vedant | sung, th0ger thanks. I am slightly confused, but I guess i'll decide myself what to use, depending on ease of use and usability on both mac and linux. |
| 10:30.07 | icqnumber | hello peeople, does this stream works for you: gst-launch -m playbin uri="mmsh\://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio" ? |
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| 10:30.48 | vedant | will probably also make backup disks of truecrypt so that i can read important data even if the system doesn't boot up properly |
| 10:31.30 | icqnumber | and if it end up with an error, can you try this one gst-launch -m playbin uri="mms\://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio" ? (because this one have to work) |
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| 10:34.42 | icqnumber | can you confirm this issue with the mmsh stream? i need this for the bug investigation... |
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| 10:35.09 | mokola | question:does anyone of u have the knowlege or experience with debian+openssl+DigiCert+keyrenewal ? |
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| 10:38.08 | ^shark_1 | i would like to filter my internet traffic by disabling instant messaging to some LAN users |
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| 10:39.19 | XWall | The sentence would be correct " I get owned" or "I got owned" ? |
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| 10:39.37 | Pavlz | we need of a software similar to winrpt, totally free software GNU General Public License |
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| 10:43.54 | XWall | The sentence would be correct " I get owned" or "I got owned" ? |
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| 10:46.03 | icqnumber | hello peeople, does this stream works for you: gst-launch -m playbin uri="mmsh\://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio" ? and if it end up with an error, can you try this one gst-launch -m playbin uri="mms\://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio" ? (because this one have to work) can you confirm this issue with the mmsh stream? i need this for the bug investigation... |
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| 10:46.59 | Pavlz | i need of a software similar to http://www.vectorweb.it/index.php?language=en&page=prodotti&gruppo=203&prod=WinRPT |
| 10:47.33 | icqnumber | XWall, try to ask this in /j ##english channel |
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| 10:47.49 | Pavlz | totally free software and GNU General Public License |
| 10:47.53 | XWall | icqnumber, ok |
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| 10:54.09 | enouf | icqnumber: ~$ mplayer mmsh\://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio gives me No stream found to handle url mmsh://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio |
| 10:54.35 | enouf | icqnumber: i've heard of mms:// , not mmsh:// though |
| 10:55.19 | enouf | ~$ mplayer mms://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio seems to work icqnumber |
| 10:56.01 | icqnumber | enouf, really, mmsh works for me in vlc out of the box |
| 10:56.41 | enouf | as i say, never heard of i .. but who knows, the world is always being flooded with new gimmicks |
| 10:56.51 | enouf | of it* |
| 10:57.33 | icqnumber | enouf, sorry, never heard of what? |
| 10:57.50 | enouf | mms*h* |
| 10:58.10 | enouf | mms == micropoop media server |
| 10:58.59 | enouf | what do the people in #videolan and #mplayer tell you? |
| 10:59.21 | icqnumber | enouf, http://wiki.videolan.org/MMSH |
| 10:59.40 | enouf | you seem to think i care ... |
| 10:59.43 | enouf | ;-) |
| 11:00.04 | icqnumber | enouf, :-) btw, do you have vlc around? |
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| 11:00.23 | enouf | hrm .. not anymore, iirc |
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| 11:03.23 | icqnumber | enouf, the problem is that gstreamer supports both mms and mssh(mms over http) but the last one does not seem to work on debian/ubuntu |
| 11:03.34 | enouf | guzundheit |
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| 11:03.59 | icqnumber | tag |
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| 11:05.18 | icqnumber | enuf, gesundheit with 's', but i do not think you really care :-) |
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| 11:06.07 | enouf | Pavlz: have you tried radio related channels? how about even look around at gnu.org, and #gnu - there are tons of obscure channels here on this network, just have to find them |
| 11:06.25 | enouf | icqnumber: bingo |
| 11:06.55 | enouf | makes icqnumber hooked on phonics |
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| 11:09.11 | icqnumber | enouf, but have you tried to run this in terminal too: gst-launch -m playbin uri="mmsh\://broadcast01.station.ru/rusradio" ? |
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| 11:11.08 | enouf | icqnumber: i don't use/have any gstreamer stuff |
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| 11:18.15 | sgbirch | Is there a tool to scan a computer checking every binary's md5 to see if it matches the package? |
| 11:19.05 | icqnumber | md5sum? |
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| 11:19.42 | nkuttler | there's a list of md5sums for installed files? |
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| 11:21.06 | sgbirch | Sorry, I didnt phrase the question well. I know how to hand check each file individually. What I a seek is a tool that will automatically check each one. |
| 11:21.10 | nkuttler | hm, there really is |
| 11:21.38 | sgbirch | I want to make sure none of them have been changed ... just being paranoid |
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| 11:22.06 | nkuttler | sgbirch: how do you make sure the list itself hasn't been touched? |
| 11:22.24 | enouf | !debsums |
| 11:22.24 | dpkg | i heard debsums is a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 11:22.49 | sgbirch | enouf: Perfect .. thanks |
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| 11:30.44 | BuTterFly_GirL | I lost my taskbar :-( |
| 11:30.44 | BuTterFly_GirL | and no, i didn't click one of those arrows on the side that hides it |
| 11:30.47 | BuTterFly_GirL | restart = no help |
| 11:30.51 | BuTterFly_GirL | google = no help |
| 11:30.55 | BuTterFly_GirL | mozilla crashed, so I went killall mozilla-run.sh |
| 11:30.57 | BuTterFly_GirL | and lost my taskbar |
| 11:30.59 | BuTterFly_GirL | any Ideas? |
| 11:31.46 | chiak | BuTterFly_GirL: KDE? |
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| 11:39.07 | Muisje | Hello, my smartd is telling me some crazy things which frighten me cause it might be harddisk that is becoming lazy |
| 11:39.19 | Muisje | It is telling me: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 113 to 112 |
| 11:39.22 | bynari | I just cannot seem to get flash working on iceweasel in debian etch. I've removed all instances of libflash's I can find, downloaded a fresh libplayer10 and installed the libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins and I still cannot view flash in iceweasel |
| 11:39.27 | Muisje | and Device: /dev/sda, SMART Usage Attribute: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered changed from 67 to 68 |
| 11:39.33 | bynari | I've tried endless google searches and guides. I'm lost |
| 11:40.09 | sk4 | check temperature of your hard rive |
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| 11:41.27 | sk4 | ...and it's normal, all of us some time die |
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| 11:44.30 | Muisje | sk4, this might be a stupid question, but how? |
| 11:45.02 | BuTterFly_GirL | xfce |
| 11:45.02 | BuTterFly_GirL | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.02 | BuTterFly_GirL | xfce4-panel |
| 11:45.03 | BuTterFly_GirL | but every time I close the command window my panel goes away |
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| 11:45.53 | sgbirch | Has sarge been removed from the main debian repositories now? |
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| 11:46.55 | sk4 | hddtemp /dev/sda |
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| 11:47.38 | Muisje | sk4: /dev/sda: MAXTOR STM3250310AS: 29°C |
| 11:48.28 | bynari | sobs |
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| 11:50.03 | sgh | How can I get rid of the signon/signoff messages in irissi? |
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| 11:50.36 | bynari | Perhaps by asking in "#irssi" |
| 11:50.40 | ^shark_1 | something wrong with a stable connection to us.debian.org |
| 11:50.43 | sgh | rgr |
| 11:50.48 | ^shark_1 | ? |
| 11:50.52 | sk4 | it's normal |
| 11:51.13 | Muisje | Should i mention that it is a RAID1 config? |
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| 11:54.08 | xingu | Muisje: just out of interest what does smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle report? |
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| 11:56.22 | ehamberg | how can I get apt to update ("apt-get update") every 24 hours? i remember there is an apt.conf setting, but i can't find it anywhere in the documentation. |
| 11:56.51 | sk4 | !cron |
| 11:56.52 | dpkg | hmm... cron is a daemon that allows programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab> <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>. |
| 11:57.26 | ehamberg | sk4: that would work, but it would be better to set it in apt.conf. |
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| 11:58.01 | sk4 | why it would be better? |
| 11:58.52 | Muisje | xingu: grep: report: No such file or directory |
| 11:59.12 | ehamberg | because running a cron job to do something apt is capable of seems a bit hackish, even if the it's probably the same stuff happening behind the scenes. |
| 11:59.35 | enouf | sgbirch: pretty much, yep |
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| 12:00.14 | sk4 | Muisje: smartmontools installed? |
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| 12:01.47 | Muisje | yes sk4 |
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| 12:02.25 | sk4 | sudo |
| 12:03.15 | sk4 | ehamberg: i think that apt can't do what you want |
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| 12:03.36 | xingu | Muisje: command is: smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle |
| 12:04.17 | sk4 | from root |
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| 12:04.32 | mu-dev | ehamberg: so you want to hAve your machine automatically upgrade periodically? |
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| 12:07.01 | gewt{s} | ... |
| 12:07.18 | mu-dev | iii |
| 12:07.20 | gewt{s} | somethign si wrong with ym GNOEM configuration |
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| 12:07.33 | mu-dev | why? |
| 12:07.44 | gewt{s} | When i try to start a GNOME session my monitor says "Out of scan range" |
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| 12:08.05 | mu-dev | that has nothing to do with gnome |
| 12:08.11 | gewt{s} | hm |
| 12:08.18 | gewt{s} | it must eb X misconfiguration |
| 12:08.21 | sk4 | check xorg.conf |
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| 12:08.36 | mu-dev | you have to reconfigure your x server to have it figure your (different?) monitor out |
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| 12:09.21 | Muisje | xingu, i get nothing |
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| 12:11.33 | begemot | Hello everyone! |
| 12:11.33 | begemot | Please, tell me where the audacious player keeps it's user-files? |
| 12:11.34 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 12:12.17 | mu-dev | begemot: maybe there's something in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 12:12.39 | enouf | gewt{s}: add the correct Vert/Hor ranges to your xorg.conf |
| 12:13.24 | enouf | !tell begemot -about dotfiles |
| 12:13.45 | Blackhold | In gnome I've got a computer monitor, that shows me the memory, network and disk usage, were I can read directly the network usage? |
| 12:14.12 | gewt{s} | odd |
| 12:14.21 | gewt{s} | locla network ssh lags... |
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| 12:14.44 | enouf | Blackhold: many places |
| 12:14.45 | sgh | ive put IRCSERVER and IRCNICK in my .profile, but irssi doesnt read it? |
| 12:14.47 | gewt{s} | speedtest.net shows about a 50ms difference in pign replies to a windows system no ym same network... |
| 12:14.51 | Blackhold | enouf: for example? |
| 12:14.59 | enouf | ifconfig |
| 12:15.08 | gewt{s} | i need to configure tcp settings or somthing... |
| 12:15.10 | gewt{s} | or soemtihng |
| 12:15.13 | gewt{s} | ti lags and i use DHCP |
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| 12:15.42 | gewt{s} | dns reoslutions are slow... |
| 12:15.53 | enouf | sgh: /ignore -network Freenode #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 12:15.56 | Blackhold | enouf: uh, ok, thanks :D |
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| 12:16.31 | sgh | enouf: thanks |
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| 12:16.59 | enouf | S-i-A: who are you and why are you pm'ing me? |
| 12:17.00 | JyZyXEL | where does Squid save its cache in Debian? |
| 12:17.04 | gewt{s} | all i need now is to reoslve teh network slowness (only on debian) |
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| 12:17.09 | troubled | wtf is the gcc docs? |
| 12:17.16 | gewt{s} | cable+router and fine |
| 12:17.21 | gewt{s} | are* |
| 12:17.26 | gewt{s} | freebsd system has no lag |
| 12:17.32 | gewt{s} | windows system ha sno lag -.- |
| 12:17.34 | gewt{s} | only dbeian |
| 12:17.37 | gewt{s} | debian* |
| 12:17.44 | enouf | troubled: in non-free |
| 12:18.03 | enouf | troubled: contrib has the meta-pkg only |
| 12:18.12 | enouf | !gcc docs |
| 12:18.12 | troubled | im seeing that :/ |
| 12:18.16 | enouf | !gcc doc |
| 12:18.28 | troubled | how the heck did they manage to pull that one? |
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| 12:19.04 | gewt | my network sisues annoy me -.- |
| 12:19.13 | gewt | i updated to a newer kernel too |
| 12:19.17 | troubled | just blows my mind seeing a compiler thats free and the docs arent. you think it would be the other way around |
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| 12:19.38 | sgbirch | Has sarge been removed from the main debian repositories now? |
| 12:20.11 | enouf | sgh: /set activity_hide_level quit join part nick (might work better for you, depending on what you want) |
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| 12:21.23 | JyZyXEL | ok who the fuck made the Squid package for debian |
| 12:21.29 | troubled | enouf: are there no non free cds or something? cause im not seeing a single sign of the package in the jigdo search |
| 12:21.35 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't have caching on by default |
| 12:21.40 | enouf | !gcc-doc |
| 12:21.41 | dpkg | the man pages for gcc are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free> <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
| 12:22.02 | troubled | thanks |
| 12:22.28 | enouf | troubled: i don't know about Jigdo |
| 12:22.55 | troubled | enouf: I cant find a single non free cd/dvd out there :/ |
| 12:23.02 | gewt | dns reolutionsare slow... |
| 12:23.16 | troubled | they horde the non free on some secret ftp somewhere or what lol |
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| 12:23.19 | gewt | it's fine on all lother systems using the same DNS servers... |
| 12:23.26 | enouf | troubled: licensing/trademark/patent/redistribution issues? |
| 12:23.29 | gewt | it has to be a dbeian related issue or sometihng i think |
| 12:23.45 | enouf | oh .. +copyright |
| 12:24.07 | troubled | enouf: just figure if you can install it from the same mirror via apt-get, then they should have a cd/dvd set for it |
| 12:24.23 | enouf | gewt: only windows and bsds lag here - debian doesn't |
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| 12:24.42 | gewt | enouf, it's the opposite for me >< |
| 12:24.57 | mu-dev | you have to find out why your name resolution is bad |
| 12:24.58 | ehamberg | mu-dev: no, not upgrade. only update the local index. |
| 12:24.59 | enouf | troubled: ask about it in #debian-cd? (on oftc.net) |
| 12:25.05 | gewt | it IS a built-in to mobo network card |
| 12:25.22 | troubled | enouf: -cd? |
| 12:25.25 | mu-dev | try this: dig yahoo.com |
| 12:25.36 | mu-dev | see how long that takes |
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| 12:25.58 | enouf | troubled: yeah |
| 12:25.59 | troubled | enouf: just seems silly that the main compiler has docs in non free thats all *rollseyes* |
| 12:25.59 | gewt | 46ms |
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| 12:26.05 | Muisje | xingu? |
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| 12:26.23 | mu-dev | that's not that bad |
| 12:26.25 | gewt | ;; Query time: 46 msec |
| 12:26.27 | mu-dev | try it again |
| 12:26.38 | enouf | troubled: you asked about specific pkgs being available on CD/DVDs |
| 12:26.42 | mu-dev | same? |
| 12:26.48 | gewt | 39ms |
| 12:26.54 | troubled | enouf: ahh, i get it now :) |
| 12:27.07 | troubled | well, time to mirror more stuff.....</grrr |
| 12:27.12 | mu-dev | does it seem to respond quickly? |
| 12:27.26 | mu-dev | you hit enter, and it does its thing right away? |
| 12:28.11 | gewt | but all clients are slow |
| 12:28.15 | gewt | opera/ssh/xchat |
| 12:28.16 | troubled | enouf: odd though, i seem to recall man gcc used to work at some point |
| 12:28.26 | gewt | bbl i have other stuff to do |
| 12:28.32 | mu-dev | not due to name resolution tho |
| 12:28.37 | mu-dev | must be something else |
| 12:28.47 | troubled | you think they would have just removed the front/back cover text so they could include it on the dvds for cryin out loud |
| 12:28.54 | enouf | troubled: yeah, gcc-3.x and older, IIRC |
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| 12:29.34 | mu-dev | could be reverse dns |
| 12:29.52 | dtcrshr | dos anyone know s a good dbf manipulator? i need to consult a table from an old dos program, wich opens only a register at once. the oO spreadsheet only opens to 65k, i got 78k registers |
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| 12:31.48 | troubled | enouf: well, 1.2gig for non-free. not too bad at least |
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| 12:32.11 | troubled | better than the 30gig for the binary/source dvd sets + security |
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| 12:38.00 | xscholler | l. |
| 12:38.00 | troubled | enouf: serious man, look at some of the reasons for some stuff being non-free docs --> "Reason for being non-free: Only permitted to redistribute freely." |
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| 12:38.17 | troubled | like wtf! lol |
| 12:38.46 | troubled | makes it sound like its not good enough to only be permitted to give it away freely or something heh |
| 12:38.59 | troubled | declares debian sillyness! |
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| 12:40.05 | mu-dev | probably it's that it can't be altered? |
| 12:40.25 | beardy | It isn't. Maybe you should read up a bit. |
| 12:40.27 | troubled | http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ is very poor comments then |
| 12:40.33 | beardy | troubled. |
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| 12:42.28 | troubled | beardy: well, im sure every case was done due to dfsg reasons, just some stuff (gcc in this case) seem like things got carried away on the side of the people that made the docs |
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| 12:43.31 | troubled | i mean, I can understand something binary only like flglx. but docs under a free license? is dfsg really that strict? |
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| 12:43.43 | mu-dev | that would be gcc doc maker sillyness :) |
| 12:44.05 | mu-dev | the problem with gfdl is invariant sections |
| 12:44.51 | mu-dev | but maybe that's not a problem... |
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| 12:45.28 | mu-dev | if you can alter the actual content of the docs that should be enough |
| 12:45.40 | troubled | mu-dev: im kinda suspecting that it was the gcc doc maker deciding to publish the doc in full and as a result bring in copyright/book issues. but im trying to figure out how they didn't think of debian and gcc being the default compiler :( |
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| 12:46.16 | troubled | i swear, our legal system doesn't work heh |
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| 12:46.27 | mu-dev | well the book you refer to is "using and porting gnu cc" which has always come with gcc |
| 12:47.06 | troubled | i guess nobody felt like rewritting the gcc man page from scratch being 20lbs and all |
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| 12:47.21 | troubled | even gawk is in non-free it seems, yet man gawk works fine here |
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| 12:48.57 | mu-dev | you mean gawk's info pages? |
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| 12:49.35 | troubled | mu-dev: gawk-doc is in non-free, yet theres a decent "man gawk" |
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| 12:49.53 | troubled | same content as info gawk as well it seems |
| 12:50.22 | mu-dev | that sounds like it should be good enough |
| 12:50.36 | troubled | all i really wanted from gcc with the command line switches. gawk did it, why didnt gcc :( |
| 12:50.42 | mu-dev | personally I prefer the info pages as they're maintained better |
| 12:50.48 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 12:50.52 | troubled | its not like I want to read a book on gcc heh |
| 12:51.01 | assasukasse | how can i backup with rsync my whole / directory into a mirror? |
| 12:51.27 | mu-dev | what, you didn't design a new cpu you want to port gcc to?! I thought everyone did that... |
| 12:51.27 | assasukasse | rsync -av doesn't work properly since follows too many symlinks thus copying also stuff in /home |
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| 12:51.35 | koollman | assasukasse: -x |
| 12:51.35 | troubled | mu-dev: although it seems I at least got info pages for gcc 2.x, but thats hardly the 4.1 i have installed |
| 12:51.46 | assasukasse | koollman: rsync -x? |
| 12:51.51 | petemc | troubled: you can install the docs from non free |
| 12:52.04 | troubled | petemc: ya, grabbing non-free as we speak |
| 12:52.07 | koollman | assasukasse: add -x to the options you are using now. read the man to know why |
| 12:52.14 | troubled | mutters something about hoops |
| 12:52.20 | mu-dev | at one point I was gonna say that :) |
| 12:52.26 | assasukasse | koollman: thanks i got it |
| 12:52.32 | assasukasse | don't cross fs boundaries |
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| 12:54.23 | troubled | mu-dev: i just hope stallman doesn't come and take away my debian badge for using non-free gcc reading material! XD |
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| 12:54.46 | mu-dev | probably the issue is that debian legal is somewhat suspicious of fsf motivation, so they watch and make sure |
| 12:55.08 | troubled | im gonna have to rename non-free to xxx on my repo since its taboo docs heh |
| 12:55.09 | mu-dev | given there's some kind of pissing contest going on between them |
| 12:55.34 | troubled | ah |
| 12:56.49 | mu-dev | part of it, is debian legal I guess doesn't like gnu's insistance to have certain material in docs invariant |
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| 12:57.30 | mu-dev | I don't see any difference between that and the insistance to keep the copyright notice intact |
| 12:57.43 | mu-dev | in regular gpl stuff |
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| 12:58.16 | ubd | hello i think my sound driver is not good is there a way to chage/repair it |
| 12:58.29 | mu-dev | ubd: why? |
| 12:58.43 | ubd | the sound is low quality |
| 12:58.47 | mu-dev | ubd: why? |
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| 12:58.59 | ubd | either codec or driver sucks |
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| 12:59.23 | pfote | ups |
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| 13:00.01 | mu-dev | ubd: there is no specific infomation, so my response is: |
| 13:00.04 | mu-dev | "" |
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| 13:00.30 | ubd | the sound is noisy |
| 13:00.47 | mu-dev | the noise is soundy? |
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| 13:00.56 | ubd | go fuck yourself |
| 13:01.55 | mu-dev | it's your fault... you didn't give any specific info... |
| 13:02.10 | mu-dev | all I can do to that is point and laugh... |
| 13:02.17 | petemc | thats not very helpful |
| 13:02.29 | mu-dev | what else is there? |
| 13:02.41 | petemc | if you cant help, best just not to say anything |
| 13:02.52 | mu-dev | I'm not being paid to be helpful... |
| 13:03.05 | petemc | no one here is being paid, thats not reason to be a dick |
| 13:03.34 | troubled | dreams of 10 years of irc support backpay |
| 13:03.51 | troubled | ah ya, its called piracy ;) |
| 13:04.10 | petemc | or it could be all the free software you can use.. |
| 13:04.25 | troubled | touche |
| 13:05.22 | mu-dev | petemc: how do you handle that case? |
| 13:05.32 | petemc | say nothing |
| 13:05.39 | petemc | just like i did there |
| 13:05.50 | mu-dev | ahh, so you're not helping either... |
| 13:05.53 | petemc | right |
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| 13:06.37 | pkdfjsdf | hi |
| 13:07.02 | sponzor | whats the http version in shell? |
| 13:07.12 | mu-dev | so, you're saying: if they don't specify enough information, shut up, including the failure to point out there's not enough information? |
| 13:07.16 | troubled | curl or wget? sponzor |
| 13:07.24 | troubled | or you mean links or lynx? |
| 13:07.32 | sponzor | yes yes lynx |
| 13:07.33 | sponzor | tnx |
| 13:07.39 | troubled | np |
| 13:09.30 | troubled | anyone recommend a package to convert all of these mirros of mine to dvd/iso? |
| 13:09.41 | sponzor | is it posible to connect to realvnc (windows) via linux shell? |
| 13:10.09 | petemc | sponzor: if you have a framebuffer you could |
| 13:10.13 | troubled | sponzor: you mean vnc in a text shell to a graphical vnc windows session? |
| 13:10.22 | sponzor | troubled yes |
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| 13:10.44 | sponzor | imposible? :P |
| 13:10.47 | troubled | petemc: they have frame buffer vnc clients? |
| 13:10.52 | petemc | i believe so |
| 13:11.03 | troubled | huh, cool i guess |
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| 13:11.16 | troubled | use gpm for mouse i assume? |
| 13:11.21 | mu-dev | ubd: for someone to be able to help you effectively and efficiently... you need to supply several pieces of info, including: kernel version (uname -r), alsa version of driver and of the userland (not sure how to get both of those), and whether your sound has been good with the same kernel before... if so, what did you do (specifically) to change that (upgrade? install something? remove something?) |
| 13:11.36 | petemc | vnc is all framebuffer, aiui |
| 13:11.46 | petemc | no idea what they use for mouse, not something ive used |
| 13:11.50 | troubled | !wtf aiui |
| 13:11.52 | dpkg | AIUI: as I understand it |
| 13:12.04 | mu-dev | !wtf wtf |
| 13:12.06 | dpkg | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 13:12.21 | sponzor | lol |
| 13:12.22 | sponzor | :) |
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| 13:12.25 | troubled | really need to patch infobot to parse language filters on that output... |
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| 13:13.11 | mu-dev | !wtf iinm |
| 13:13.13 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what iinm means... |
| 13:13.31 | troubled | mu-dev: no need to get carried away with it now :) |
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| 13:13.45 | troubled | i know its a slow morning and all, but still |
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| 13:16.19 | wald0 | debian Lenny will be released with 2.6.26 or with a newest kernel ? |
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| 13:17.11 | troubled | were in package freeze already arent we? |
| 13:17.18 | milligan_ | http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1227014238 <- Why can't .193 telnet to the server on port 25 ? |
| 13:17.23 | mu-dev | wald0: while lenny is frozen, your guess is as good as mine |
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| 13:17.45 | troubled | well, if its frozen, no new versions |
| 13:17.48 | mu-dev | milligan_: port 25, isn't that smtp? |
| 13:18.01 | mu-dev | !port 25 |
| 13:18.06 | troubled | mu-dev: he probably trying to test |
| 13:18.30 | troubled | milligan_: some isp's block port 25 traffic in and or out if that helps |
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| 13:19.20 | troubled | mu-dev: grep 25 /etc/services |
| 13:19.58 | mu-dev | troubled: if you look at the paste, it shows some iptables rules |
| 13:20.13 | troubled | not yet no |
| 13:20.22 | mu-dev | also reading between the lines... everything' |
| 13:20.31 | mu-dev | s in 192.168 |
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| 13:21.07 | mu-dev | presumably it's all his one net |
| 13:21.27 | mu-dev | milligan_: what happens when you try? |
| 13:23.16 | mu-dev | we'll find likely a coupla possibilities... one, no smptd running, two, the running smptd is trying to resolve .193's name |
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| 13:26.18 | troubled | milligan_: ? |
| 13:26.42 | milligan_ | mu-dev, timeout |
| 13:26.54 | milligan_ | troubled, it's not the isp. port 25 is open .. and the telnet is attempted on the network :) |
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| 13:27.16 | koollman | milligan_: so, that's the iptable config on the server with a port 25 open ? |
| 13:27.19 | troubled | milligan_: so you see the drop in the logs or something? |
| 13:27.33 | sunkan | I have an old sarge server that I want to upgrade to etch. But first I would like to update all packages to sarge's newest versions. Is that possible? dists/sarge does not seem to exist anymore.. |
| 13:27.34 | mu-dev | milligan_: clearly. everything's local for this, yes? |
| 13:27.37 | petemc | milligan_: why are you using iptables rules if you're not sure what they're doing? |
| 13:27.57 | koollman | why are you putting rules in OUTPUT for incoming traffic ;) |
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| 13:28.14 | stew | sunkan: you can use archive.debian.org |
| 13:28.23 | sunkan | stew: Cool, thanks |
| 13:28.33 | milligan_ | mu-dev, the test is local, yes. Two physical, separate machines, testing towards each other. |
| 13:28.35 | mu-dev | koollman: that's a good point isn't it |
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| 13:28.57 | stew | sunkan: and you should follow the etch release notes for upgrading: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 13:28.58 | sunkan | stew: Works perfectly.. |
| 13:29.26 | sunkan | stew: I've done some upgrades a long time ago so I know, thanks again |
| 13:29.28 | mu-dev | milligan_: can you watch the smtp logs while you try? |
| 13:29.51 | milligan_ | koollman, I'm putting rules in the OUTPUT chain, because I want to accept all incoming traffic (hence there are no rules there blocking), but I want to refuse outgoing traffic (which is why I am only allowing port 25 traffic to .193, and allowing the rest to .2, which is the gateway. |
| 13:29.53 | mu-dev | milligan_ tail -f /var/log/somelogfile |
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| 13:30.01 | milligan_ | mu-dev, yes, I don't get any connections. |
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| 13:30.03 | coniptor | I have setup openldap in etch and keep getting a recurring message in the log for cyrus/lmtp cyrus/imaps postfix and perl: "nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server - Server is unavailable" everything else is working otherwise. Anyone know a solution? |
| 13:30.11 | milligan_ | petemc, One has to learn, right ? |
| 13:30.18 | troubled | milligan_: ever heard of shorewall? |
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| 13:30.30 | S-i-A | hi |
| 13:30.46 | S-i-A | thanx stew |
| 13:30.59 | troubled | S-i-A: RichiH removed your ban iirc |
| 13:31.08 | petemc | milligan_: sure, but theres a popular misconception that you need to firewall everything off, when lots of times you dont really.. |
| 13:31.29 | S-i-A | troubled: i thank you and thanks RichiH :) |
| 13:31.48 | troubled | S-i-A: don't thank me, I had nothing to do with it :) |
| 13:31.59 | tip_1 | How can I remove nvidia 177.80 drivers? |
| 13:32.00 | milligan_ | petemc, the machine I am firewalling isn't men to have access to anything on the network except for smtp to .193 and traffic to .2 .. I don't see how my rules are wrong to get that functionality. |
| 13:32.10 | mu-dev | emmadently this is a thankless job... |
| 13:32.17 | troubled | but it was a quiet for a reason, so I suggest you not do whatever it was you did this time ;) |
| 13:32.33 | S-i-A | my file2ban dont worked more, dont restart, sont stop,,,,etc |
| 13:32.45 | troubled | fail2ban? |
| 13:32.49 | S-i-A | http://paste.debian.net/21749/plain/21749 |
| 13:32.52 | S-i-A | troubled: yes |
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| 13:33.56 | troubled | not very helpful error paste |
| 13:33.59 | S-i-A | and no force-reload !? |
| 13:34.11 | S-i-A | troubled: that all what i have |
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| 13:34.17 | troubled | nothing in the logs? |
| 13:34.21 | mu-dev | it kinda looks successful |
| 13:34.27 | S-i-A | no troubled |
| 13:34.27 | mu-dev | except no dot |
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| 13:34.45 | mu-dev | should be in daemon.log |
| 13:34.48 | troubled | S-i-A: is the process running? |
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| 13:35.38 | mu-dev | try using stop then start |
| 13:35.45 | S-i-A | troubled: i dont know because i se no status and cant look in /var/log/fail2ban.log is Empty |
| 13:36.07 | troubled | S-i-A: id probably start by checking the process list |
| 13:36.09 | S-i-A | mu-dev: i try it, do nothing |
| 13:36.14 | mu-dev | S-i-A: look thru ps aux |
| 13:36.48 | mu-dev | we probably need to know exactly what it says when you try |
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| 13:37.58 | mu-dev | try having a (root) login with tail -f /var/log/daemon.log |
| 13:38.08 | S-i-A | mu-dev: if try to restart or stop or force-reload.. http://paste.debian.net/21749/plain/21749 |
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| 13:39.12 | mu-dev | S-i-A: what;s your preferred language you like to speak? |
| 13:39.51 | S-i-A | mu-dev: !? |
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| 13:40.13 | mu-dev | I'm pretty sure I understand you correctly... but there are a few places I don't think you got what I said |
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| 13:40.58 | S-i-A | mu-dev: ok if u dont understand me, then i'm sorry |
| 13:41.01 | stew | S-i-A: your paste doesn't indicate that anything is wrong. have you checked if a process is running? |
| 13:41.04 | troubled | S-i-A: what happens if you try running the daemon manually with the approriate options? |
| 13:41.54 | mu-dev | S-i-A: are you running x? |
| 13:42.08 | mu-dev | or everything console? |
| 13:42.24 | S-i-A | mu-dev: http://paste.debian.net/21755/ |
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| 13:43.02 | mu-dev | that is showing your time server |
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| 13:43.21 | mu-dev | can you put that tail -f in a separate window |
| 13:43.24 | troubled | S-i-A: is the process running as all 3 of us have asked once already? |
| 13:43.36 | mu-dev | while you try start/stopping the fail2ban? |
| 13:44.47 | stew | fail2ban doesn't log to /var/log/daemon.log |
| 13:44.59 | troubled | syslog i assume? |
| 13:45.02 | S-i-A | mu-dev: i said above i try to run start or stop or force-reload... they do nothing nothing |
| 13:45.03 | mu-dev | I was just gonna say |
| 13:45.04 | S-i-A | :) |
| 13:45.12 | mu-dev | ok |
| 13:45.20 | stew | troubled: /var/log/fail2ban.log unless you have changed the config |
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| 13:45.26 | mu-dev | stew knows it doesn't log there |
| 13:45.38 | stew | S-i-A: is a fail2ban process running after you run start or restart? |
| 13:45.43 | mu-dev | any idea why it doesn't? |
| 13:45.58 | mu-dev | he said earlier failban.log is empty |
| 13:46.00 | mu-dev | 2 |
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| 13:46.31 | S-i-A | steve: tha last time i edit the jail.conf and restart file2ban, and is never startet again :) |
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| 13:46.41 | stew | S-i-A: how do you know? |
| 13:46.48 | troubled | well now theres a key piece of info |
| 13:47.07 | troubled | im guessing jail.conf is some sort of chroot setup? |
| 13:47.20 | mu-dev | troubled: yeah... who's that steve guy? |
| 13:47.28 | stew | troubled: no, nothing to do with chroot |
| 13:47.29 | S-i-A | stew: because i edit the some options and try to restart |
| 13:47.38 | troubled | mu-dev: are you serious? |
| 13:47.45 | S-i-A | i think the jail.conf is wrong |
| 13:47.46 | mu-dev | course not :) |
| 13:48.03 | S-i-A | ok i restore the orginal jail.conf |
| 13:48.14 | stew | S-i-A: i have also edited some options and tried to restart mine. that is not however an indication of whather or not fail2ban is running |
| 13:48.17 | troubled | beats mu-dev upside the head with the "Manual of tab completion typos" |
| 13:48.32 | stew | S-i-A: have you or have you not checked for to see if a process is running? |
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| 13:49.04 | S-i-A | stew: ican't see if the prossecc is runing? because can see Status |
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| 13:49.51 | stew | S-i-A: what does "becuase can see Status" mean? what is Status? how did you check to see if a process is running? with what command? |
| 13:50.10 | troubled | slams his head off the desk |
| 13:50.41 | S-i-A | steve: /etc/init.d/fail2ban status |
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| 13:51.07 | stew | S-i-A: what does that command return? |
| 13:51.31 | S-i-A | nothing |
| 13:51.34 | S-i-A | :) |
| 13:52.28 | mu-dev | S-i-A: look at /etc/init.d/fail2ban where it responds to status... does it look like it does something? |
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| 13:52.38 | stew | S-i-A: can you run "fail2ban-server -f" and tell us what happens? |
| 13:53.26 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/21756/ |
| 13:53.50 | stew | S-i-A: can you show us the output of "ps auxw | grep fail2ban" |
| 13:53.51 | mu-dev | already running |
| 13:53.53 | klaim | hi hi. |
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| 13:54.04 | klaim | hi. |
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| 13:54.39 | S-i-A | mu-dev: but isn't corect, ican't see nothing in fail2ban.log or see status or somthing like that |
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| 13:54.56 | mu-dev | S-i-A: so it seems |
| 13:55.16 | mu-dev | do stew's ps thingy |
| 13:55.21 | S-i-A | but the 'iptables -L' is running |
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| 13:57.30 | gnufs | hello all |
| 13:57.32 | gnufs | do you know what's the name of the window manager when you log into gnome failsafe? |
| 13:57.43 | stew | gnufs: probably metacity |
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| 13:58.06 | gnufs | it's not |
| 13:58.15 | gnufs | i mean when your xorg fails |
| 13:58.34 | troubled | do you even get a wm? |
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| 13:58.54 | mu-dev | gnufs: you could find out by browsing thru the process list |
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| 13:59.21 | mu-dev | when the failure leads you to the failsafe that is |
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| 13:59.31 | gnufs | mu-dev: first i gotta screw with my x.org i guess :) |
| 14:00.02 | mu-dev | maybe you get the same wm as you normally get |
| 14:00.12 | mu-dev | or maybe you get no wm |
| 14:00.48 | mu-dev | also, maybe the wm you get is in the config parameters |
| 14:00.57 | amphi | mu-dev: you can see what no wm looks like, by running 'xinit -- :1' from a VT |
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| 14:01.48 | mu-dev | I'm afraid that would be too ugly to bear :) |
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| 14:02.19 | troubled | mu-dev: unless it is a full screen kiosk app |
| 14:02.36 | mu-dev | you mean like the ones in bars? |
| 14:02.42 | troubled | sure |
| 14:03.05 | troubled | why waste cpu on decorations |
| 14:03.06 | mu-dev | I noticed linux booting on a kiosk in a bar |
| 14:03.12 | Mark17 | hello, it is possible to open a connection to a mobile phone for as far as i know (i can see the mobile phone when i scan for it), but how can i create a connection? |
| 14:03.18 | mu-dev | so I had to try it |
| 14:03.28 | Mark17 | so how can i let them pair with each other |
| 14:03.51 | troubled | Mark17: you mean a tcp connection? |
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| 14:04.04 | mu-dev | blootuth? |
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| 14:04.42 | Mark17 | troubled: a bluetooth connection between both systems/devices (mobile phone and a debian system (without gnome or kde)) |
| 14:05.22 | S-i-A | mu-dev: i can't purge file2ban to :) |
| 14:05.23 | mu-dev | maybe you'd use a cli cmd |
| 14:05.24 | troubled | ah sorry, havent tried bluetooth |
| 14:05.52 | mu-dev | S-i-A: why not? |
| 14:06.27 | S-i-A | receive nothing just stoped the shell and do nothing more |
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| 14:06.29 | S-i-A | crached |
| 14:06.44 | mu-dev | ugh |
| 14:06.47 | omry_|work | how do I set password policy (number of characters, upper lower and all that crap ?) |
| 14:06.54 | mu-dev | you stopped it in the middle of a purge? |
| 14:06.56 | troubled | omry_|work: pam |
| 14:07.05 | omry_|work | troubled, looking, thanks. |
| 14:07.24 | S-i-A | mu-dev: he do nothing |
| 14:07.28 | S-i-A | i said above |
| 14:07.34 | S-i-A | dont stop dont restart |
| 14:07.37 | S-i-A | dont purge |
| 14:07.40 | S-i-A | nothing |
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| 14:07.50 | troubled | omry_|work: /etc/pam.d/common-password is probably a good start |
| 14:07.53 | mu-dev | weird |
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| 14:08.12 | S-i-A | mu-dev: i restart the machine :) |
| 14:08.30 | mu-dev | let us know if it starts working... |
| 14:08.45 | mu-dev | remember, it has the impression the server is actually running |
| 14:09.10 | mu-dev | btw |
| 14:09.14 | mu-dev | what's fail2ban? |
| 14:09.22 | abrotman | mu-dev: apt-cache show fail2ban |
| 14:09.24 | troubled | mu-dev: apt-cache show fail2bas |
| 14:09.30 | troubled | bah, fail :( |
| 14:09.46 | mu-dev | yer one for two :) |
| 14:09.49 | troubled | abrotman: moin moin |
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| 14:11.16 | mu-dev | yeah, I want that |
| 14:11.35 | mu-dev | now does that work in the presence of ipmasq? |
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| 14:12.08 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 14:12.29 | ma3x | gmail is stupid, if you send an email and there is a problem, ie the domain doesn't exist or something like that, it tells you after 24 hours and tries delivering it for 3 days |
| 14:12.54 | larrikin | can someone tell me if package 'logcheck' should depend on package 'mktemp' according to lines ~635-638 in /usr/sbin/logcheck ..? |
| 14:13.01 | S-i-A | mu-dev: stew worked after resart the machine :) |
| 14:13.04 | abrotman | ma3x: WRONG CHANNEL |
| 14:13.05 | S-i-A | thank u |
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| 14:13.23 | ma3x | abrotman: how ya doin |
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| 14:14.26 | troubled | ma3x: and if I ran an email server with 5 million+ emails an hour going to hotmail.com and hotmail.com had an hour of dns problems, I should bounce the 5 million that were in queue back to senders? |
| 14:14.50 | rahbertlee | hi, i have a "Trident Microsystems XGI Volari XP5 (rev 02)" graphic card, and debian etch, what xorg driver do i need, since i am using vesa and when i watch a movie they stall and stutter.... |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | rahbertlee: 1995 called and wants your video card back |
| 14:15.26 | petemc | ma3x: thats standard |
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| 14:15.50 | ma3x | troubled: it should inform you in a few mins that such the host has no dns, not in a few days |
| 14:16.00 | dustybin | the number _is_ going down :-) |
| 14:16.02 | dustybin | Number concerning the next release: 154 |
| 14:16.04 | ma3x | i did the mistake of sending a message to .co isntead of .com |
| 14:16.08 | rahbertlee | abrotman: what ? |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | ma3x: go complain to #google .. this has nothign to do with Debian |
| 14:16.11 | stew | ma3x: this is not something we can help you with |
| 14:16.17 | ma3x | ok guys |
| 14:16.22 | petemc | ma3x: it could be a transient error, as is quite common |
| 14:16.28 | ma3x | interrupt here |
| 14:16.31 | mu-dev | and it went to colorado? |
| 14:16.40 | ma3x | ha ha |
| 14:16.41 | dustybin | if i patch those 154 bugs tonight, could we release lenny tomorrow? :-) |
| 14:16.55 | troubled | pulls out his stopwatch |
| 14:16.56 | abrotman | dustybin: no, they'd have 155 new bugs to fix |
| 14:17.00 | mu-dev | I'd say it's trapped there... |
| 14:17.01 | dustybin | :-( |
| 14:17.10 | stew | dustybin: not tomorrow, it would take longer to prepare d-i |
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| 14:17.30 | stew | dustybin: and it would take longer than 24 hours for all the autobuilders to build your fixed packages |
| 14:17.37 | rahbertlee | abrotman: can you please explain what you meant or was that a joke? |
| 14:17.53 | troubled | doesnt it take 10 days for patches to get into the testing repos anyways? |
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| 14:18.05 | stew | dustybin: and it would not be until after the autobuilders finish building that the packages would be installed, which needs to happen before a d-i (and all of the cd images) build start |
| 14:18.07 | abrotman | rahbertlee: a joke .. i haven't see a trident card in a very long time |
| 14:18.13 | stew | troubled: not via t-p-u |
| 14:18.17 | mu-dev | after you build the d-i images and you have the packages prepared, how do you write the cd? |
| 14:18.19 | dustybin | ok |
| 14:18.31 | mu-dev | say you want a netinst |
| 14:18.35 | troubled | stew: testing package updates? |
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| 14:18.41 | stew | troubled: proposed |
| 14:18.47 | troubled | ah |
| 14:18.47 | rahbertlee | hi, i have a "Trident Microsystems XGI Volari XP5 (rev 02)" graphic card, and debian etch, what xorg driver do i need, since i am using vesa and when i watch a movie they stall and stutter.... i have also tried "trident" sound comes on viewing movies but screen goes blue allthetime |
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| 14:19.04 | rahbertlee | abrotman: ohh, wow, that old lol |
| 14:19.13 | troubled | stew: so its just when stuff goes from unstable->testing you gotta wait the 10 days? |
| 14:19.47 | mu-dev | well when a package goes into unstable, it's watched for bugs |
| 14:19.56 | abrotman | rahbertlee: which version of debian ? |
| 14:19.56 | stew | troubled: yes, depending on the 'urgency' setting. low takes 10 days, medium takes 5, high takes 3 and critical takes uhh 1 or 2 |
| 14:20.07 | mu-dev | if there are none for a specific period it leaks from unstable into testing |
| 14:20.08 | rahbertlee | abrotman: etch stable |
| 14:20.08 | troubled | cool, ta |
| 14:20.26 | stew | troubled: and fixing an rc bug in lenny would be a reason for an elevated urgency at this point |
| 14:20.27 | abrotman | rahbertlee: http://www.x.org/wiki/VideoDriverFAQ#head-54f7af83288d748463500a298cd1c69143b9a3e6 .. google is helpful |
| 14:20.40 | rahbertlee | thanx ;) |
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| 14:20.52 | troubled | stew: believe me, i'd be all over those bugs if I could patch any :) |
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| 14:21.18 | slim_ | hello all, how to automount external devices, like usb,digital camera ? |
| 14:21.41 | troubled | slim_: vfat right? |
| 14:21.44 | stew | troubled: same here. i got a bunch a few weeks ago, but the last couple of times I looked i had trouble finding any i knew enough to fi |
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| 14:22.05 | slim_ | troubled, almost will be vfat |
| 14:22.38 | troubled | slim_: /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf, vfat is disabled by default due to sync issues |
| 14:22.48 | heroxbd | How can I calculate the total size of all the *.psd in a subdir? something like "find . -name *.psd"? then what? |
| 14:22.54 | troubled | ie: use at your own risk |
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| 14:23.39 | stew | heroxbd: du -c *.psd |
| 14:23.44 | slim_ | troubled, this not exist i create it ? |
| 14:24.02 | troubled | slim_: sec while I track down the package name for that thing |
| 14:24.03 | stew | heroxbd: err you probably want -hc |
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| 14:24.11 | abrotman | slim_: man mount |
| 14:24.17 | xingu | abrotman: also see bts 395943 |
| 14:24.32 | troubled | slim_: okay ya, its exactly "usbmount" |
| 14:24.50 | slim_ | thanks troubled , abrotman |
| 14:25.07 | jabular | z-ssssssssssss |
| 14:25.21 | troubled | slim_: read the notes in the description of that though. there are some issues to consider depending on your environment |
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| 14:25.55 | slim_ | thanks troubled i install now "usbmount" |
| 14:26.36 | troubled | be sure to edit the conf slim_ since vfat isnt auto mounted by default |
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| 14:26.56 | abrotman | xingu: who? |
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| 14:27.09 | heroxbd | stew: Can I do that recursively? |
| 14:27.09 | slim_ | yes troubled i will do, and i don't use autofs ? |
| 14:28.00 | stew | heroxbd: with find and xargs, as long as the number of files doesn't blow the command line limit |
| 14:28.07 | xingu | abrotman: seems like xgi volari has a colourful history, even on our very own bug tracker |
| 14:28.14 | stew | heroxbd: note that du doesn't report file size but disk usage |
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| 14:29.03 | heroxbd | stew: oic |
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| 14:29.15 | anakin | hello |
| 14:29.42 | stew | heroxbd: if you really want file size instead, i'd probably end up writing an awk script to parse stat output, or just use perl/python |
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| 14:30.14 | anakin | id like to monitor my dhcpd server, from another server running cacti. What packages have i to install on my debian server, amongs all the snmp packages? |
| 14:30.38 | troubled | stew: whats wrong with ls -l? |
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| 14:32.02 | stew | troubled: nothing |
| 14:32.07 | omry_|work | troubled, I guess what's wrong with it that it's effected by file system slack (block sizes) |
| 14:32.18 | heroxbd | stew: the raw number is enough for me, I am just issuing some shell command. Thank you. |
| 14:32.24 | mu-dev | anakin: I guess you need something that takes the snmp data and turns it into something you're interested in |
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| 14:32.40 | troubled | omry_|work: ls -l? |
| 14:32.43 | troubled | or du? |
| 14:32.48 | amitz | what's the command line to periodically do something? The non-cron one. Thanks. |
| 14:32.54 | omry_|work | troubled, hmm, probably du. now that I think of it. |
| 14:32.59 | liable | at |
| 14:33.00 | troubled | amitz: "at" for a one time command |
| 14:33.25 | mu-dev | do you already know what specific program you want to use for that? |
| 14:33.43 | troubled | omry_|work: ya, du will show you blocks (4k typically), but ls -l should give a good idea (unless you are talkng sparse files, in which case du would help probably?) |
| 14:33.47 | amitz | i see at at a glance, but it seems to be a one time command as troubled said |
| 14:33.54 | abrotman | xingu: ah ok |
| 14:34.11 | troubled | amitz: cron is for "periodic" stuff |
| 14:34.12 | amitz | I want to check the existence of a file. is there a better way, maybe a trigger based one? |
| 14:34.35 | mu-dev | amitz: man test |
| 14:34.47 | amitz | check the existence of a file, as soon as it exist, I will print it. |
| 14:34.49 | troubled | amitz: hmmm, not sure what inode monitoring apps exist |
| 14:35.02 | stew | famd and gamin exist |
| 14:35.06 | troubled | amitz: cron would suffice |
| 14:35.08 | troubled | stew: ty |
| 14:35.20 | stew | though i don't know how to easily use them from the command line |
| 14:35.24 | stew | amitz: there is also watch |
| 14:35.34 | amitz | so, a cron script using test.. i see. |
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| 14:36.07 | omry_|work | troubled, yeah, I think I remember something about sparse files in du man page. |
| 14:36.17 | mu-dev | doesn't have to be cron |
| 14:36.23 | mu-dev | you can use a loop |
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| 14:36.37 | troubled | loop would be pretty harsh on load |
| 14:36.51 | troubled | well, without a sleep in there |
| 14:36.53 | mu-dev | you should put a sleep in it |
| 14:36.56 | mu-dev | yeah |
| 14:37.15 | troubled | amitz: it really comes down to how granular you want the checks to be |
| 14:37.16 | enouf | inotify? |
| 14:37.28 | troubled | inotify, thats what I was thinking i think |
| 14:37.34 | mu-dev | do I buy that from apple? |
| 14:37.42 | amitz | therefore, to make it check more often than cron but less demanding than loop, is there any alternative? I'm thinking of a trigger that immediately launched after a file exist... somehow? |
| 14:38.00 | mu-dev | put a sleep in the loop |
| 14:38.03 | amitz | 1 second is ok. |
| 14:38.14 | amitz | give and take 1 second. |
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| 14:38.35 | troubled | amitz: nah, you'd need to actually make a 24/7 running process that checks every second that starts on system startup |
| 14:39.23 | troubled | cron's @reboot could be one easy way to start such a script, or /etc/rc.local, but that doesn't consider restarting |
| 14:39.32 | mu-dev | so now, you want to check for a specific file in a specific absolute place? |
| 14:39.32 | stew | amitz: another option is to write a program that uses fam or gamin |
| 14:39.45 | enouf | troubled: omry_|work fwiw, i concur that atleast 'du' most certainly has issues with FS slack/fragmentation |
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| 14:40.13 | stew | amitz: it would require something like c/c++/perl/python/ruby though, i don't know of a way to use those tools in sh |
| 14:40.18 | enouf | wonderful, a full 2 sec lag ... ugh |
| 14:40.25 | amitz | inotify seems ok. the man is intimidating at a glance. is it bash based? i want to check a specific file in a specific directory. I will immediately print the file if it exist, and erase it afterward. |
| 14:40.55 | amitz | hmm no man of fam or gamin |
| 14:41.01 | enouf | spyware? |
| 14:41.30 | enouf | sounds like the history.ie5 and temp dirs on winpoop |
| 14:41.47 | enouf | famd |
| 14:42.06 | mu-dev | amitz: and then what after that? |
| 14:42.10 | amitz | *afterthought* i should be more specific from the beginning. |
| 14:42.51 | mu-dev | petemc: so the most useful is to get them to think it' |
| 14:42.53 | amitz | mu-dev, well, it will wait for another file again, and print it immediately after it exist, and loop like that forever. |
| 14:42.57 | mu-dev | s their idea... |
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| 14:43.42 | mu-dev | amitz: ok, that gives you the overall structure |
| 14:43.57 | mu-dev | it's always going to check for one specific file? |
| 14:44.21 | amitz | mu-dev: yes, that one specific file only. |
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| 14:45.30 | amitz | mu-dev: but of course the file content is always changed for any occurence, just the file name is the same. |
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| 14:45.49 | heroxbd | How to force unmount a partition in spite of being in use? |
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| 14:46.18 | troubled | amitz: while true; do if [ -f /tmp/test ]; then echo exists; echo ending...;break; fi; sleep 1;echo checking...;done |
| 14:46.30 | hmann | lulz |
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| 14:46.48 | amitz | troubled: woah, let me take a look. thanks. |
| 14:46.52 | enouf | heroxbd: are you sure it's not because you are cd'd into a dir on the partition? try lsof for help |
| 14:47.17 | troubled | amitz: needs tweaking of course, but you should be able to edit that to your needs and put it in a bash script for @reboot in cron |
| 14:47.19 | mu-dev | troubled: also rm the file when found |
| 14:47.42 | troubled | mu-dev: sorry, was testing in another window when he was talkin about changes |
| 14:47.43 | enouf | prolly a double pipe then, no? |
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| 14:48.09 | troubled | mu-dev: either way, just change the echo exists, to an rm *shrug* |
| 14:48.36 | mu-dev | we will then remove anything containing a shrug |
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| 14:49.00 | troubled | amitz: you probably want to remove the "echo checking..." part though, just left it in for verbosity |
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| 14:49.15 | troubled | mu-dev: smart a.. |
| 14:49.24 | mu-dev | he will want the echo as well... so it's pretty much done structure wise |
| 14:49.45 | enouf | hey! do hugs, not shrugs! |
| 14:49.48 | troubled | you wouldnt want echoing on a background daemon via cron. the email would be huge :) |
| 14:50.15 | mu-dev | ready everyone? |
| 14:50.20 | mu-dev | GROUP SHRUG@ |
| 14:50.35 | enouf | heh |
| 14:50.42 | troubled | rolls his eyes |
| 14:51.00 | jelly | rolls troubled eyes too |
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| 14:51.20 | troubled | mmmmmm, jelly rolls.... |
| 14:51.41 | mu-dev | there was a morton named jelly roll |
| 14:51.59 | troubled | what is a morton? |
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| 14:52.21 | mu-dev | that particular morton claimed to have invented jazz |
| 14:52.57 | heroxbd | enouf: I lsof-ed and killed all the process accessing it. |
| 14:53.06 | enouf | \o/ |
| 14:53.23 | amitz | troubled: mu-dev works well. thanks :-) |
| 14:53.42 | troubled | np |
| 14:53.46 | mu-dev | I didn;'t write that :P |
| 14:54.04 | amitz | oh yeah, sorry :-) |
| 14:54.04 | troubled | its open source, we all did! :) |
| 14:54.13 | heroxbd | enouf: Oh no. there is a process that can't be "kill <number>" |
| 14:54.19 | troubled | it was a team effort lol |
| 14:54.33 | amitz | yeah :-) |
| 14:54.40 | enouf | heroxbd: externally connected drive? try eject if so |
| 14:54.51 | mu-dev | I did a tiny bit more than get amitz to specify the program |
| 14:55.08 | enouf | butted in and caused confusion :-p |
| 14:55.11 | heroxbd | enouf: It is a fuse convmvfs mirrored drive. |
| 14:55.35 | enouf | convm == convoluted mother***er? |
| 14:55.37 | heroxbd | enouf: mirrored directory after convmv. |
| 14:56.00 | troubled | mu-dev: you researched the product requirements, I coded, amitz did bug testing and the rest of the channel was keeping an eye on our productivity |
| 14:56.31 | mu-dev | the damn qa team was asleep again... |
| 14:56.36 | troubled | heh |
| 14:56.37 | enouf | there's the -l option to umount, and IIRC, there's -f, but .. |
| 14:56.52 | amitz | :-D |
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| 14:59.16 | amitz | you know, i actually have this BIG problem that lead to that question... :-). How can I make a wine program to print in draft mode |
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| 14:59.47 | troubled | amitz: I want a raise! |
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| 15:00.26 | mu-dev | amitz: btw... bash is quite powerful, if somewhat unreadable... you might consider learning something like python, ruby, perl, tcl |
| 15:00.38 | amitz | troubled: but I'm just a lowly grunt who must make use of that cheapest dot matrix printer :-) |
| 15:00.54 | troubled | mu-dev: you say tcl ever again and im a rip your tongue out |
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| 15:01.34 | mu-dev | troubled: it took me a few years... I kinda like tcl now |
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| 15:02.05 | kyr_ | hello |
| 15:02.10 | troubled | amitz: doesn't wine support the lp printing system? |
| 15:02.27 | ubd | how do i add a startup program |
| 15:02.46 | mu-dev | isn't there an /etc/rc.local now |
| 15:02.52 | troubled | ubd: depends :) |
| 15:02.53 | valdyn | ubd: depends |
| 15:02.53 | amitz | troubled: well, wine will make whatever we print to be a ghostscript or something like that thingie, |
| 15:03.03 | ubd | i want to add to x11 |
| 15:03.17 | OpenTokix | troubled, valdyn: depends on what? |
| 15:03.19 | mu-dev | ubd: when you log into it? |
| 15:03.24 | amitz | graphic printing is VERY slow in dotmatrix. |
| 15:03.26 | mu-dev | or do you use xdm? |
| 15:03.39 | ubd | yes i want a program to start when i log into xfce |
| 15:03.39 | troubled | OpenTokix: requirements like init scripts |
| 15:03.46 | OpenTokix | rc.local =) |
| 15:03.55 | mu-dev | rc.local isn't for that |
| 15:04.01 | troubled | OpenTokix: sure, but then you dont get the ease of /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 15:04.02 | OpenTokix | takes forever to delete 2T |
| 15:04.02 | amitz | unsuitable for Point of Sales. |
| 15:04.22 | mu-dev | maybe xsession |
| 15:04.26 | troubled | nor can you control start order easily with rc.local since everything is at one start number |
| 15:04.29 | mu-dev | .xsession |
| 15:04.38 | ubd | yes where is xsession |
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| 15:04.52 | mu-dev | you put .xsession in your home dir |
| 15:05.02 | mu-dev | it's a shell script |
| 15:05.05 | valdyn | im sure xfce has its own session file |
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| 15:05.23 | mu-dev | it's kinda funky... if the process exits, so does your session |
| 15:05.46 | troubled | OpenTokix: finally giving up the pr0n? |
| 15:05.51 | mu-dev | ubd: what do you want to add |
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| 15:06.13 | ubd | ossxmix |
| 15:06.57 | troubled | amitz: so why not setup lprng/cupsys and tell wine to redirect the emulated lpt0 to your lp? |
| 15:07.03 | ubd | its tray program |
| 15:07.08 | mu-dev | if xfce has its own session file you need to find out how it works and what you put in there |
| 15:07.42 | twobitsprite | apt-file won't update... "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/Contents-i386.gz" |
| 15:07.56 | OpenTokix | troubled: re-arranging |
| 15:07.58 | mu-dev | but maybe you can add tray programs another way |
| 15:07.59 | troubled | OpenTokix: probably quicker to copy everything but the 2T to erase to somewhere, and reformat that volume :) |
| 15:08.16 | valdyn | maybe he should have asked google in the first place |
| 15:08.17 | amitz | troubled: i probably get what you mean. so let wine handle the lpt directly. Is that actually possible...? |
| 15:08.35 | OpenTokix | troubled: have a couple of kvm's running off the volume - not really an option |
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| 15:08.42 | troubled | amitz: not sure, i dont use wine, but i suspect thats what it can do |
| 15:09.05 | troubled | OpenTokix: you have my sympathy |
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| 15:09.45 | amitz | troubled: I thought about that too, but I wonder why I didn't pursue it further... let me check.. |
| 15:09.47 | OpenTokix | troubled: it is a couple of million files |
| 15:09.59 | troubled | valdyn: take a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:10.01 | enouf | man xfce4-session? |
| 15:10.16 | valdyn | troubled: why would I? |
| 15:10.38 | troubled | valdyn: oh sorry, thought you asked the startup question |
| 15:10.42 | enouf | troubled: valdyn knows his stuff .. BTW, does anyone use bootmisc.sh? |
| 15:11.05 | troubled | looks |
| 15:11.15 | enouf | whoops - i asked an anyone question :-P |
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| 15:11.37 | amitz | troubled: ah, it's something to do with how wine specifically said it won't support the installation of windows printer driver. |
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| 15:12.08 | troubled | enouf: aparently a stock one here, so no |
| 15:12.27 | proberts | is there a command so I can scan my system for all attached disks? |
| 15:12.52 | stew | proberts: try "fdisk -l" |
| 15:12.54 | valdyn | proberts: thats a trick question? |
| 15:13.01 | proberts | that just shows me 1 disk |
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| 15:13.04 | proberts | I should have 24 |
| 15:13.13 | troubled | amitz: that doesn't mean you can't access the lpt port directly though. windows printer drivers would be more for specific printer features and a print spooler (which your lpr would handle spooling for) |
| 15:13.20 | valdyn | proberts: you have a 24 disk raid controller? |
| 15:13.21 | stew | proberts: how are they attached? |
| 15:13.31 | proberts | via raid |
| 15:13.37 | proberts | internal raid |
| 15:13.46 | troubled | amitz: if you just want epson compaitble printing, you should be able to print direct to the lpt in your app i would assume (if it supports it) |
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| 15:14.08 | E-bola | Do anybody know why rsync wont send changes in a file only, but keeps sending the entire file? |
| 15:14.11 | valdyn | proberts: well,one h/w raid = 1 disk for linux , that is why i asked if its a trick question |
| 15:14.18 | stew | proberts: is the raid controller configured for jbod? |
| 15:14.20 | troubled | amitz: $LPT or LPT$ or something in dos (forget) |
| 15:14.23 | petemc | E-bola: using --partial ? |
| 15:14.32 | E-bola | petemc: nope |
| 15:14.36 | petemc | thats why then |
| 15:14.39 | troubled | E-bola: date stamp diff? |
| 15:14.49 | amitz | troubled: let me take a look again. |
| 15:14.52 | E-bola | trouble: im doing checksum diff's |
| 15:14.58 | E-bola | to make sure it see's the file as "new" |
| 15:15.01 | troubled | nm then |
| 15:15.01 | proberts | well on Solaris I'd do something like devfsadm -C |
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| 15:15.13 | proberts | I should see more then 1 disk |
| 15:15.18 | E-bola | petemc: --partial is for broken transfers? If i want to resume? |
| 15:15.18 | proberts | is fdisk -l the only tool? |
| 15:15.21 | proberts | or way |
| 15:15.34 | enouf | no |
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| 15:15.45 | asdf | proberts: you coudl look at dmesg and see what the kernel saw at boot up |
| 15:15.45 | valdyn | proberts: hardware raid exposes the whole raid only as one block device |
| 15:15.45 | jamon | proberts: cfisk, or dd and a hex editor :p |
| 15:15.47 | enouf | but you're also not doing softraid, AFAIU |
| 15:15.48 | petemc | E-bola: and this is different than what you want how? |
| 15:16.10 | valdyn | proberts: if some tool sees more, that is pretty much a proprietary tool for each raid controller |
| 15:16.11 | proberts | yea its definitely not doing hardware raid at the moment |
| 15:16.18 | E-bola | petemc: I'm transfering a file. Then i modify the file, and send it again. Whats partial about it? |
| 15:16.32 | proberts | the disks are just plugged into 3ware 9650SE |
| 15:16.33 | enouf | then /proc/mdstat perhaps, for softraid |
| 15:16.34 | stew | proberts: what brand of controller are the disks attached to? how are they attached? how is the raid configured? are the disks in an array? are they configured for jbod? |
| 15:16.45 | enouf | bah |
| 15:16.58 | stew | proberts: then you should be able to get a list of the disks using the 3dmd command line tools |
| 15:16.58 | petemc | E-bola: good luck! |
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| 15:17.07 | E-bola | petemc: ? |
| 15:17.29 | troubled | E-bola: are you sure its transmitting the full file? |
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| 15:18.06 | E-bola | troubled: Its taking the same amount of time, and its outputting to me thats its sending more or less the same amount of bytes |
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| 15:18.46 | jelly | E-bola: are the source and destination on the same system? |
| 15:18.46 | enouf | seen rdiff{-backup}? |
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| 15:19.04 | E-bola | jelly: yes, different drives |
| 15:19.14 | troubled | E-bola: are you using the block size option for checksums? |
| 15:19.22 | jelly | E-bola: there you have it; local copying is always done in full |
| 15:19.25 | E-bola | enouf: ya i used it some years ago, thats a good point |
| 15:19.35 | E-bola | jelly: lol really? is it that simple? |
| 15:19.37 | troubled | E-bola: if its a 1gig file and you checksum it, its gonna take a while to parse 1gig on both ends to see where it changed |
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| 15:20.19 | jelly | E-bola: a dumb workaround could be eg. using localhost:/path/to/destination/ ;-) |
| 15:20.24 | troubled | jelly: serious? |
| 15:20.32 | jelly | troubled: yes. |
| 15:20.36 | E-bola | haah if thats it |
| 15:20.37 | troubled | go figure |
| 15:20.39 | E-bola | uve saved my day :) |
| 15:20.47 | E-bola | it actualy is a remote system |
| 15:20.52 | E-bola | but i mounted it over iscsi |
| 15:20.57 | E-bola | so rsync would see it as local |
| 15:20.59 | jelly | E-bola: if it's mounted locally... |
| 15:21.42 | enouf | doesn't that still go through the network layer though? |
| 15:21.56 | E-bola | enouf: ya it does, but rsync wouldnt know that |
| 15:22.05 | troubled | ya, rsync wouldnt know the diff |
| 15:22.12 | Dnumgis | Hi, I'm trying to create a patched version of a package (for local use), and I figured it would be best to change the version number also, to make sure I got my changes in, but I can't find the version number in the debian/control file |
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| 15:22.20 | Dnumgis | is there any other file that can hold the version? |
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| 15:23.15 | troubled | i guess it makes sense though since to check the checksum locally would require 2 threads, one for the src and one dest, so you might as well just copy it :) |
| 15:23.29 | enouf | ahh .. i see - and what about using file:// as opposed to localhost/hostname? entirely different from rsync perspective? or ... is does rysnc take note of any tcp/ip?, or maybe protocols like http ? |
| 15:23.33 | troubled | not like when you got 2 diff systems with a potentially slow link i guess |
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| 15:24.18 | enouf | s/is// |
| 15:24.26 | amitz | troubled: hmm I'm bringing this matter to #winehq. |
| 15:24.33 | troubled | E-bola: do you need checksum though? |
| 15:24.33 | amitz | Thanks guys for all your help |
| 15:25.20 | troubled | amitz: np, gl |
| 15:25.22 | E-bola | troubled: Not sure yet, i might. Its virtual machines images, and they can be changed without havign a new mod. time or size |
| 15:25.22 | troubled | E-bola: if you are sharing a scsi device on the network and you have good time sync, probably skip it |
| 15:25.23 | PaperBear | hi all, I've got a problem with usb cds not automounting. I dont really know where to start with diagnosing the problem |
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| 15:25.59 | troubled | E-bola: well, if they are forcing the time to remain the same, i guess you have no choice. kinda sucks |
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| 15:26.39 | troubled | PaperBear: I suggested a program called "usbmount" earlier that will work with cd's as well if that helps |
| 15:27.22 | adb | lsusb |
| 15:27.26 | troubled | PaperBear: autofs might be an option too if you just want it to mount when you cd into the dir |
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| 15:27.46 | cr3rzemjest | hai |
| 15:28.13 | cr3rzemjest | I CAN HAS progress bar during 'svn [url]' and 'make && make install'? |
| 15:28.28 | PaperBear | troubled, thanks, looking now... |
| 15:28.35 | troubled | only if you give us a cheezeburgar! |
| 15:28.39 | stew | PaperBear: what are you using to automount? |
| 15:28.54 | PaperBear | stew, nothing, this is out of the box |
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| 15:29.11 | troubled | PaperBear: are you using X? |
| 15:29.26 | troubled | i think gnome/kde have some nicer apps to do that stuff as well |
| 15:29.38 | PaperBear | troubled, gnome spacifically |
| 15:29.42 | PaperBear | *specifically |
| 15:29.45 | cr3rzemjest | lolz |
| 15:29.47 | stew | PaperBear: install gnome-volume-manager |
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| 15:30.41 | PaperBear | stew, already installed, apparently |
| 15:31.10 | tomfmason | I am trying to install iceweasel 3.0.3-3 on my etch system and for some reason it keeps trying to basically do a dist upgrade to lenny from etch. I have stable's priority set at 700 and testing at 650 and APT::Default-Release "stable"; in my apt.conf. Any ideas? |
| 15:31.21 | troubled | cr3rzemjest: not sure thats possible tbh. you can't know the compiling progress |
| 15:31.28 | stew | PaperBear: it is a data cd you are having trouble with, or an audio cd? |
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| 15:31.31 | cr3rzemjest | troubled, ;( |
| 15:31.47 | mhymn_ | !tell tomfmason -about ff3 in etch |
| 15:31.51 | mhymn_ | my idea^^^ |
| 15:31.52 | troubled | cr3rzemjest: although, you could have a 33/66/99/100 since you have 3 steps (svn, make and make install), but thats rather useless |
| 15:31.54 | proberts | so if I'm using this 3ware card and my disks are JBOD how can I see them in the os? |
| 15:32.05 | stew | troubled: you should not try to mix stable and unstable. iceweasel in testing will not work in stable without upgrading most of the system to testing |
| 15:32.18 | PaperBear | stew, data |
| 15:32.20 | troubled | stew: ? |
| 15:32.22 | stew | proberts: with 3dmd or "fdisk -l" |
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| 15:32.28 | stew | troubled: what? |
| 15:32.41 | troubled | stew: but I didnt ask about iceweasel in stable |
| 15:32.46 | proberts | stew: yea I don't see anything |
| 15:32.50 | stew | troubled: odd |
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| 15:32.59 | proberts | I see one disk |
| 15:33.00 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:33.02 | stew | tomfmason: you should not try to mix stable and unstable. iceweasel in testing will not work in stable without upgrading most of the system to testing |
| 15:33.06 | Kbyte | x |
| 15:33.07 | troubled | stew: oh, tomfmason, nm :) |
| 15:33.08 | twobitsprite | I see that there is a "clamav-milter" package which says its for sendmail integration. Reading the spamassassin/exim howto it mentions installing a package which allows exim integration; would this be it? |
| 15:33.17 | stew | tomfmason: (or stable and testing) |
| 15:33.18 | twobitsprite | (the howto is non-debian) |
| 15:33.37 | petemc | twobitsprite: you need exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 15:33.38 | DexterF | usb2 hdd, etch doesn't see the device in lsusb. why? need to probe a module manually or so? |
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| 15:33.48 | tomfmason | stew: bah.. I guess I will wait for a backport then |
| 15:33.48 | tomfmason | thanks |
| 15:33.53 | twobitsprite | petemc: I have that... but does that include clamav integration? |
| 15:33.59 | troubled | is clamav still horendously slow? |
| 15:34.10 | petemc | twobitsprite: it supports exiscan acls, which is what you needc |
| 15:34.20 | troubled | i seem to recall scanning a 1byte file that took 20minutes on this box |
| 15:34.21 | twobitsprite | troubled: dunno... doesn't really matter to me, I'm just using it to scan e-mails |
| 15:34.44 | tomfmason | iceweasel 2 is a resource hog though |
| 15:34.46 | twobitsprite | petemc: the howto mentions the ACLs, but also mentions a clamav package which sets up clamav to be used by exim |
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| 15:34.59 | stew | tomfmason: there will not be a backport |
| 15:35.08 | stew | tomfmason: iceweasel 3 is also a resource hog |
| 15:35.16 | petemc | twobitsprite: im not sure, i set up the acls myself |
| 15:35.23 | twobitsprite | troubled: sounds like something it wrong... clamav on my windows box didn't take too long to scan my C: drive |
| 15:35.32 | twobitsprite | petemc: ok, well, thanks |
| 15:35.49 | troubled | twobitsprite: might have been swap related perhaps since i only had 128mb here |
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| 15:36.02 | troubled | never really looked into it, but it was brutal |
| 15:36.28 | tomfmason | stew: any suggestions as to a better browser? by better I mean one that isn't as much of a resource hog |
| 15:36.48 | troubled | tomfmason: links or lynx? :) |
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| 15:37.00 | troubled | they are lighning fast! |
| 15:37.08 | HNT | Hello everybody, I'm using the nv xorg driver with a 9200GM. Unfortunatly, this driver doesn't come with XVideo support for G80 chipset. The result is that xine lags. With kaffeine I can configure the output engine for video, so, do you know any other software solution to play videos in a correct way without XVideo ? |
| 15:37.46 | tomfmason | troubled: :). I was meaning a more traditional browser. |
| 15:37.55 | troubled | XD |
| 15:38.06 | stew | tomfmason: i don't. i use iceweasel. iceweasel 3 is better with resources than iceweasel 2, but its not much better. like my type iceweasel usage went from 800mb to 700mb |
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| 15:39.11 | troubled | stew: wow, 700mb? |
| 15:39.21 | troubled | that including a large memory cache? |
| 15:39.28 | troubled | or just lots of tabs? |
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| 15:40.45 | tomfmason | stew: I guess if the preformance gain isn't really noticedable I will just deal with it for now. |
| 15:41.51 | stew | troubled: i currently have 10 tabs open |
| 15:41.57 | stew | and i lied, i guess its only 650mb |
| 15:42.09 | troubled | still, thats crazy |
| 15:42.22 | stew | troubled: do you use iceweasel? |
| 15:42.38 | PaperBear | stew, oh dear... it was becuase i'd made changes to /etc/fstab for virtualbox |
| 15:42.39 | troubled | ive only got 6 tabs in ff3 open on XP using 117mb |
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| 15:43.00 | stew | perhaps it would be less if i restarted mine more |
| 15:43.06 | troubled | even in ff2 I never saw much beyond say 200mb |
| 15:43.08 | PaperBear | none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1001,devmode=664 0 0 & none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=119,devmode=664 0 0 |
| 15:43.13 | petemc | http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/Clipboard9.jpg - my ff usage |
| 15:43.43 | stew | Oct31 1126:04 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox |
| 15:43.47 | troubled | stew: what is your cache settings at anyways? wondering if thats just caching. what happens when you flush? |
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| 15:44.07 | troubled | thats hours? |
| 15:44.46 | stew | troubled: i don't know what those units are, its been running since october |
| 15:44.56 | stew | troubled: the cache is at 50mb, but that is disk, not memory |
| 15:45.00 | troubled | well either way, thats almost like 2 months soon, like 46 days or something |
| 15:45.10 | abrotman | if you grep your logs .. i believe don one day said FF was up to about 1GB used |
| 15:45.26 | troubled | thats nuts |
| 15:45.35 | stew | clearing the cache does not affect the memory usage |
| 15:45.43 | troubled | about:config have any memory/cache options? |
| 15:46.09 | abrotman | petemc: FWIW .. i've got you beat .. over 115MB here |
| 15:46.36 | troubled | well, either its leaking like mad or you got some massive pages open heh |
| 15:46.38 | stew | troubled: yes, but i don't see how they would affect memory usage |
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| 15:46.58 | stew | troubled: it doesn't appear to be leaking, the amount of memory used is not constantly growing, its always like this |
| 15:47.27 | ranix | firefox can show high memory usage if the flash plugin is using it |
| 15:47.29 | stew | troubled: on my laptop, where it has only been running for a day it is at 800mb |
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| 15:47.39 | troubled | im guessing it caches everything it can in memory that the OS will let it aside from disk cache? |
| 15:47.47 | petemc | abrotman: but ive only got 128 meg ram! |
| 15:47.59 | petemc | abrotman: are you running nt3.5? |
| 15:48.36 | troubled | stew: that, or someone rooted your browser and you got a massive bloody vm machine running inside it that is idle :) |
| 15:48.51 | ranix | troubled: that's not funny, my brother died that way |
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| 15:49.14 | troubled | ranix: wha? |
| 15:49.22 | stew | troubled: i don't see any reason to suspect that anything is out of the ordinary here |
| 15:49.27 | tomfmason | I guess I don't have much to complain about then. iceweasel only uses ~100mb on my system |
| 15:49.43 | stew | ranix: i don't have a flash plugin running currently |
| 15:49.46 | troubled | stew: whats your about:cache showing? |
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| 15:50.24 | troubled | thats not right on so many levels. You could load every browser related binary in ram, plus 100 web pages and still be under 800mb! |
| 15:51.40 | troubled | stew: you using debug versions of everything? |
| 15:51.46 | stew | troubled: http://paste.debian.net/21765/ |
| 15:51.49 | stew | troubled: no |
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| 15:53.12 | E-bola | jelly: you where absolutely right :) |
| 15:53.14 | troubled | i dont even know how I would begin to try explain that bloat :/ |
| 15:53.23 | E-bola | I setup a rsync daemon on the iscsi box, and did the same test there |
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| 15:53.31 | E-bola | took a fraction of the time now on the second transfer :) |
| 15:53.41 | E-bola | I was afraid rsync couldnt cope with these huge files |
| 15:53.45 | E-bola | but its all good :) |
| 15:54.54 | troubled | E-bola: well, if you think about it, if you did it locally, to use the rsync method would require fully scanning the file twice |
| 15:55.18 | ranix | my firefox is using 141.3 megabytes now |
| 15:55.30 | troubled | once for src, once for dest. and to do that would be double cpu usage as well. so you might as well just copy it once :) |
| 15:55.31 | jelly | E-bola: if you're dealing with large files and can cope with them being invalid for a short bit of time, you can also add --inplace for some extra speed (rsync won't generate a second copy at the destination) |
| 15:56.09 | jelly | troubled: it also scans them twice if one end is remote; no change there |
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| 15:56.45 | troubled | ranix: was that a MT btw? trying to understand how a comment about a vm in a browser could have anything to do with your brothers death |
| 15:57.10 | jelly | troubled: however it would be nice to have a way to tell it "writes are expensive, even on local data" |
| 15:57.22 | ranix | troubled: it's a famous trolling comment, I think it's funny to say it in the most obviously inappropriate situation |
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| 15:57.28 | troubled | jelly: sure, but if its local, you are double hiting the same cpu and hd, so its better to copy once no matter what than to read it twice, no? |
| 15:57.48 | jelly | troubled: rsync thinks /net/nfs/host is local |
| 15:58.04 | troubled | ranix: ahh |
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| 15:59.01 | jelly | troubled: same thing goes for eg. cheap SSD drives where writes are 3-5 times slower than reads, so it makes sense to read both files, and write only the changes |
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| 15:59.37 | troubled | stew: so, any idea what tools exist to get an idea of what libs and such you are using to figure our where that ram went (from a forensic pov that is) |
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| 16:00.46 | troubled | jelly: you said you can skip that local logic if you specify a protocol prefix? |
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| 16:01.17 | troubled | if so, why not just use that as a way to signal you have cheaper reads than writes? |
| 16:01.34 | ramanK | why the lenny packages are too old? |
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| 16:01.46 | mhymn_ | O_o |
| 16:01.47 | troubled | ranix: they are stable? |
| 16:01.52 | troubled | ranix: sorry |
| 16:02.00 | troubled | ramanK: cause they are stable? |
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| 16:02.52 | ramanK | is the ooo3 unstable?! |
| 16:03.50 | mhymn_ | if lenny is too old then etch might be historical and then what do you call sarge?!? |
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| 16:04.45 | mhymn_ | and i have ooo3 in etch now! so you see, mine isn't too old!! |
| 16:04.53 | troubled | stew: whats your /proc/`pidof iw`/(smap|maps) show anyways? anything that could help explain? |
| 16:05.24 | stew | troubled: this is easy to explain |
| 16:05.30 | troubled | please do :) |
| 16:05.45 | stew | troubled: this is known, expected, and not out of the ordinary usage for iceweasel |
| 16:06.13 | troubled | thats not explaining it heh |
| 16:06.17 | stew | troubled: and there is a whole team of people that know a lot more about firefox that are trying, and failing, to fix this problem |
| 16:06.43 | stew | it also doesn't affect me negatively, so i'm not going to go out of my way to try, and fail, to do anything about it |
| 16:06.43 | troubled | im just wondering how much of that memory can be attributed to lib's for starters |
| 16:06.55 | stew | troubled: go for it |
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| 16:08.15 | troubled | you're the one with the 650mb browser, not me :p |
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| 16:08.49 | troubled | if I were the suspicious type, Id say you got something else running in that browser |
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| 16:09.05 | stew | troubled: you think there is somethig suspicious running on every copy of iceweasel? |
| 16:09.18 | troubled | which is why im wondering how one would even start to account for the usage |
| 16:09.20 | stew | troubled: have you tried running iceweasel yourself? do you find its memory usage to be different? |
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| 16:09.26 | stew | troubled: ask #firefox |
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| 16:10.25 | jamon | troubled: no problems with mine here, been running a copy of iceweasel for more than a month, 10-20 tabs and about:cache is under 200mb |
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| 16:10.35 | troubled | ahhh, looking at the source I see an include <backdoor_vm_download.h>, that explains it ;) |
| 16:10.39 | troubled | runs |
| 16:10.40 | jamon | i just don't ever close it :) |
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| 16:11.15 | stew | jamon: how much does ps say it is using? |
| 16:11.18 | troubled | stew: whats your initial usage on a fresh start usually with nothing opened? |
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| 16:11.26 | stew | troubled: i don't recall |
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| 16:11.42 | abrotman | petemc: no .. and i'd rather not |
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| 16:12.45 | jamon | stew: let me check |
| 16:12.54 | troubled | jamon: ya, 200mb seems reasonable to me, anything more when about:cache isnt showing it doesnt seem right thats all |
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| 16:13.38 | jamon | RSS 474440 |
| 16:13.52 | jamon | so that's pretty high |
| 16:13.59 | troubled | and to be paranoid for a moment, if it wasn't a mem leak, a hidden storage would be my first suspicion, as unlikely as that sounds, it would make a perfect hiding spot. one easily dismissed as "typical" |
| 16:14.27 | troubled | jamon: thats in mb i gather? |
| 16:14.44 | dustybin | abrotman, right now you are breathing in a deadly nerve agent. The only way out is to get Lenny released within 1 week. The solution is inside this IRC channel and on the back of your minds. Let the game begin. |
| 16:14.54 | troubled | never was good with all this mem statistics stuff. but this has definetly got me interested heh |
| 16:14.58 | jamon | troubled: lsof -p `pidof firefox-bin` then |
| 16:15.07 | jamon | troubled: that's kb, so 450mb or so |
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| 16:15.25 | ranix | !tell dustybin -about siyh |
| 16:15.29 | troubled | jamon: RSS is the total its reserved though right? so ram+swap? |
| 16:15.42 | dtcrshr | anyone knows a nice dbf manipulator? i need to open the file with open office, but its limited to 65535 lines, my file gots 70787 |
| 16:15.49 | kombi | how do I get rid of a package with flag rF? |
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| 16:16.56 | jamon | troubled: rss is real, vsz is virtual |
| 16:17.06 | giacomo_c | where do i put the java plugin for iceweasel? is it under .mozilla im my home dir? |
| 16:18.12 | giacomo_c | does anyone know? |
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| 16:18.34 | stew | giacomo_c: what version of debian are you running, and on which arch? (i386? amd64?) |
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| 16:19.42 | kombi | is there such a thing as apt-get remove --force? ;) |
| 16:19.55 | giacomo_c | im on lenny with i686 |
| 16:19.56 | troubled | jamon: do the maps and smaps show any large amounts to try account for that in your /proc/<pid>/? |
| 16:20.14 | jamon | no idea troubled |
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| 16:20.40 | troubled | jamon: cat /proc/`pidof iceweasel`/maps? |
| 16:20.46 | giacomo_c | i've already "installed" java under /usr/java, but i don't know what to do with the plugin for iceweasel... |
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| 16:21.01 | stew | giacomo_c: are you wanting to install the free icedtea plugin or non-free plugin from sun? |
| 16:21.18 | giacomo_c | non-free from sun's website |
| 16:21.33 | stew | giacomo_c: why are you installing it from sun's website instead of using the packages from debian? |
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| 16:21.45 | giacomo_c | .... |
| 16:21.58 | stew | giacomo_c: we'd recommend installing "sun-java6-plugin" package from non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:21.59 | giacomo_c | why does it matter? |
| 16:22.06 | abrotman | dustybin: go bother someone else |
| 16:22.09 | giacomo_c | im not paying for either one of them |
| 16:22.13 | giacomo_c | so in my mind, they're both free |
| 16:22.16 | stew | giacomo_c: ok, do it your way |
| 16:22.19 | giacomo_c | haha |
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| 16:23.34 | Ranyele | hello!!! i'm need help for the backup script in NFS! |
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| 16:23.54 | jamon | troubled: nothing unordinary from what i see, e.g. ots of plugins, font caches etc. |
| 16:24.23 | giacomo_c | stew, so you don't know where the plugin goes for firefox? |
| 16:24.36 | troubled | jamon: rought idea on how much of the 450mb rss it makes up? 1/2? 1/4? |
| 16:24.52 | adb | about lenny cd/s , only cdrom #"1" has a symlink ~debian to "." , not the others |
| 16:25.27 | adb | that may confuse sources.list |
| 16:25.35 | stew | giacomo_c: it depends on if you want to install it system wide or for just one user, though we'd recommend using the debian packages which are guaranteed to put everything in the right place, and would make things easier to upgrade or remove or switch to another java plugin |
| 16:26.04 | steve | with hardware RAID10, when dealing mainly with small files (emails and so forth), is a larger or smaller stripe size desirable? |
| 16:26.21 | kombi | pre-removal script returned error 20 <- what is this? |
| 16:26.22 | jamon | troubled: /proc/pid/maps doesn't show mem usage, just addresses and permissions no? |
| 16:26.37 | jamon | ah, smaps |
| 16:26.42 | giacomo_c | well, i went through sun because i have very little faith in the debian repos tbqh... |
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| 16:27.32 | jamon | troubled: heap is 436856kb |
| 16:27.32 | giacomo_c | should i just remove the sun i just put into my /usr/java and just install all the sun-java6 crap? |
| 16:27.47 | beardy | Do you BELIEVE that will work? |
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| 16:28.26 | troubled | jamon: holy jebus |
| 16:28.33 | giacomo_c | :condi: |
| 16:28.39 | stew | giacomo_c: why don't you ahve faith in the debian repos? |
| 16:28.46 | jamon | again, that's after a month of 10-20 new tabs a day though |
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| 16:28.57 | giacomo_c | they seem to be a bit behind on some programs... |
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| 16:29.04 | stew | giacomo_c: i'd be recommending you put the files into the same location that the debian package would |
| 16:29.08 | beardy | Deep breath.. |
| 16:29.13 | giacomo_c | like pidgin, OpenOffice, etc |
| 16:29.29 | valdyn | giacomo_c: thats intended, not "behind" |
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| 16:29.41 | stew | giacomo_c: what version of java are you installing? |
| 16:29.47 | ranix | lol behind |
| 16:29.52 | giacomo_c | behind the times |
| 16:30.05 | ranix | giacomo_c: Debian IS the times |
| 16:30.06 | valdyn | giacomo_c: unix is behind the times by definition |
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| 16:30.15 | troubled | jamon: my question is why are the var's its storing on the heap persisting for so long and not showing up under about:cache :/ |
| 16:30.19 | giacomo_c | this just turned into a dumb conversation |
| 16:30.33 | beardy | It started that way too. |
| 16:30.44 | ranix | the original supposition was kind of dumb |
| 16:30.47 | jamon | because about cache isn't the entirety of the heap space? |
| 16:30.57 | troubled | guess so |
| 16:30.58 | stew | lets please try to keep it constructive |
| 16:31.00 | jamon | e.g. about cache is only jpg's etc. |
| 16:31.02 | giacomo_c | hahaha |
| 16:31.12 | giacomo_c | because i wanted to know where mozilla plugins went |
| 16:31.14 | giacomo_c | my bad |
| 16:31.16 | troubled | jamon: /proc/kcore is mapped to your memory correct? |
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| 16:31.42 | ranix | giacomo_c: how dare you question the location of plugins?! |
| 16:31.46 | jamon | yup |
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| 16:31.53 | troubled | jamon: wondering if you did a dd of kcore for the start offset and length of kcore that mapped to the heap if you would get a copy to run strings on |
| 16:32.12 | stew | giacomo_c: if you don't want to use debian's java packages to install java becuase of their age, i recommend you use the java-package package which will make .debs from the java you download from sun, which will put everything into the right location |
| 16:32.21 | troubled | jamon: just for the sake of seeing the kind of cruft thats been building up |
| 16:32.49 | jamon | troubled: well pm me as to how to find out offsets to run dd with |
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| 16:32.51 | stew | giacomo_c: and then you still get the benefit of installing using debian packages, which will ease upgrades and removal, and switching from one java to another |
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| 16:33.05 | jelly | troubled: not a protocol, a remote hostname. doing ssh over localhost is a bit wasteful |
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| 16:33.20 | troubled | jamon: well, lets move to pm and see what we can figure out how to poke around :) |
| 16:33.28 | RoenieSrvr | lo again |
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| 16:33.45 | giacomo_c | apt-got |
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| 16:34.02 | giacomo_c | but im still going to install openoffice3 |
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| 16:34.58 | RoenieSrvr | i'm havin' some trouble understanding what's happening with grub. The initial debian install was done with 1 sata drive, the other 2 (only used for windows) i had removed to be sure that grub was going to be placed in the MBR of the 1 drive. |
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| 16:35.45 | RoenieSrvr | when i reattach those drives and boot the debian cd 1, and check the partitioning tool |
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| 16:36.24 | RoenieSrvr | it now says that the 1 drive that used to be sda, is now sdg. the other 2 drives are sde and sdf |
| 16:37.04 | RoenieSrvr | so, i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst and changed root=hd0,2 to hd6,2 |
| 16:37.19 | RoenieSrvr | and /dev/sda i changed into /dev/sdg |
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| 16:37.32 | RoenieSrvr | i edited /etc/fstab, changed all sda entries to sdg |
| 16:37.46 | roadfish | I just added an entry to sources.list. But these packages "can't be authenticated". How do I get the gpg-key to feed into apt-key? Where is the gpg-key information located? |
| 16:37.56 | RoenieSrvr | when i boot, it stops at "waiting for root file system" |
| 16:38.44 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: the kernel is still looking for the initrd on /dev/sda etc |
| 16:38.54 | RoenieSrvr | actually when i use hd6,2 in grub it stops at "drive doesnt exist". when i tell it to use hd0,2 (but still /dev/sdg) it stops at waiting for root fs |
| 16:39.28 | RoenieSrvr | valdyn, the first thing i tried was booting without making changes, while having all drives attached |
| 16:39.28 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: yes, leave the hdx,y alone, but theres also a sda that needs to be sdg now |
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| 16:39.55 | RoenieSrvr | yeah and i changed that |
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| 16:40.36 | adb | cat /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 16:41.11 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: grub can only know about 4 disk drives |
| 16:41.37 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: you might need to change bios settings for "sdg" to be among the top 4 |
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| 16:41.46 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: hd6,x cannot exist for grub |
| 16:41.49 | RoenieSrvr | i checked the bios, no such options |
| 16:42.09 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: pretty sure there is such options, if there is not.. touch luck, replug disks |
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| 16:42.29 | RoenieSrvr | i can't, because the 2 drives only used under windows are on an onboard raid controller |
| 16:42.32 | valdyn | *tough* luck even |
| 16:42.34 | roadfish | is it possible to make repositories that aren't signed without gpg keys? and does this cause the "packages cannot be authenticated!" message from apt-get? |
| 16:42.41 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: well, then you are fucked |
| 16:42.45 | RoenieSrvr | correct :( |
| 16:43.07 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: now look again in your bios... |
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| 16:43.21 | stew | roadfish: yes, it is certainly possible, and yes you would get the "packages cannot be authenticated" message |
| 16:43.24 | mysteryc | Hey. |
| 16:43.45 | mysteryc | I am trying to install Pidgin but it says that perl_run is missing and I can't get it from the repos. Help please? :s |
| 16:43.52 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: btw, that is 2 drives, not 4, so uh, i dont see why you cant replug |
| 16:43.59 | RoenieSrvr | the only option i have is to change the sata mode to AHCI, not sure what that will do |
| 16:44.06 | RoenieSrvr | (now using IDE mode) |
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| 16:44.23 | stew | mysteryc: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:44.30 | roadfish | stew: thanks ... so I guess I'll just accept this not-authenticated error from time-to-time, as long as I choose to trust the repo |
| 16:44.31 | mysteryc | stew: Lenny. |
| 16:44.35 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: look harder |
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| 16:44.46 | RoenieSrvr | valdyn, the raid controller has 2 sata ports that it allows you to use for raid, they are seperate from the normal sata ports and cannot be mixed |
| 16:44.52 | kombi | cannot remove package, what must I do? |
| 16:45.02 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: yes, so? |
| 16:45.04 | felix-da-catz | My server got hacked and there are a couple of processes running I cannot kill. How can I go about finding them? I found one of the programs, but not the other. |
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| 16:45.17 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: reinstall |
| 16:45.32 | felix-da-catz | Well, I am working on that part. I need to run some backups first though. |
| 16:45.35 | RoenieSrvr | so if i move those drives from the raid controller to the regular sata ports in order to "remap" them, the raid array becomes useless |
| 16:45.35 | kombi | indeed.. |
| 16:45.48 | felix-da-catz | And in the mean time I want to restart my apache. These processes are running on port 80. |
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| 16:46.16 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: why cant you kill them? |
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| 16:46.34 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: only one process can run on port 80 at a time |
| 16:46.37 | felix-da-catz | kill -9 pid doesn't seem to work. (AAAA is the process name of course) |
| 16:46.50 | valdyn | !uuok |
| 16:46.54 | valdyn | !kill -9 |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | tears a hole in -9's head with a Knoppix CD |
| 16:46.59 | valdyn | aww |
| 16:47.03 | felix-da-catz | lol |
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| 16:47.17 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: what is that processes state now after kill -9 ? |
| 16:47.33 | felix-da-catz | T |
| 16:48.08 | felix-da-catz | I think it was that way before though. I was able to kill one of them just now though. |
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| 16:48.27 | RoenieSrvr | valdyn, i think i know whats wrong... i used hd6,2, should probably have been hd2,2 |
| 16:48.30 | felix-da-catz | There are two named AAAA and one name 12. I was able to use find and find the process named 12. |
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| 16:49.04 | koskoz | hi, how do i do to know if my wireless'driver is installed on lenny ? |
| 16:49.09 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: find finds processes? |
| 16:49.32 | felix-da-catz | No, but it finds programs that are running. |
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| 16:49.46 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: that could aswell be wrong |
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| 16:50.03 | valdyn | felix-da-catz: it finds files that match currently running process names |
| 16:50.16 | felix-da-catz | Well, it was a binary file in a web directory. Plus I found p.php and b.php. The p.php was a PHP Shell hack |
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| 16:50.39 | felix-da-catz | Fair enough. I am sure that is why I can't find AAAA. |
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| 16:51.12 | felix-da-catz | Seems as if a spam bot has been installed. I found a spam sending form as well in the same directory |
| 16:51.40 | kombi | where does apt log to? |
| 16:51.48 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
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| 16:52.47 | peterius | ld -lsvn_client-1 reports that it can't find that lib, but I have it in /usr/lib |
| 16:52.48 | ranix | felix-da-catz: congratulations |
| 16:53.09 | peterius | ldconfig has been run, why can't it find it? I even tried adding a link without the .so.1 after it |
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| 16:53.58 | felix-da-catz | WooHoo! Thanks! lol. Luckily I found it pretty quickly. |
| 16:54.34 | themill | felix-da-catz: if it's still running, then you can see the location of the executable in /proc/$PID/. Of course you can delete an executable from the filesystem and leave it running. |
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| 16:55.15 | felix-da-catz | ahh. Thanks themill. I will check that out. |
| 16:55.20 | valdyn | peterius: ldd /path/to/lib.so gives what? |
| 16:56.15 | kombi | abrotman: I found them, nothing much revealing in them though.. |
| 16:56.27 | abrotman | kombi: depends what you're looking for |
| 16:56.45 | kombi | abrotman: can't remove some stuck packages.. |
| 16:56.46 | peterius | valdyn: it gives a list of library dependencies... |
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| 16:56.56 | abrotman | kombi: that's vague |
| 16:56.59 | valdyn | peterius: the library is ok, your command does not make sense |
| 16:57.05 | peterius | valdyn: it also gives a "no version available" on libssl and libcrypto |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | and i doubt the logs will help much if they are stuck |
| 16:57.19 | kombi | abrotman: true.. pre-removal script returned error 20 |
| 16:57.33 | peterius | valdyn: but I've had that issue for a while |
| 16:57.41 | kombi | abrotman: sorry, not 20, 1 |
| 16:57.41 | abrotman | put a set -x in the prerm script .. see where it's actually error .. or put it in a pastebin |
| 16:57.51 | valdyn | peterius: ld links object files, its not for dynamically linked libraries (.so files ) |
| 16:57.52 | peterius | valdyn: no one seems to know how to fix it |
| 16:58.00 | koskoz | i'm running the 2.6.18 kernel because the 2.6.28 don't boot. But how do i do to run the latest kernel, the 2.6.27 |
| 16:58.02 | koskoz | ? |
| 16:58.10 | valdyn | peterius: its not an issue, your command is stupid ( or was thre something else ) |
| 16:58.11 | peterius | valdyn: the issue is that I'm trying to compile something and it can't find subversion libraries |
| 16:58.16 | kombi | abrotman: will do, thanks.. |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | peterius: youre not looking for .so files |
| 16:58.25 | peterius | valdyn: I was running ld, to test for the presence of the subversion libraries |
| 16:58.36 | valdyn | peterius: the .so files have NOTHING to do with it |
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| 16:58.47 | valdyn | peterius: you need those .so files to RUN, not to link |
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| 16:59.08 | peterius | valdyn: ld doesn't link against the shared library files? |
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| 16:59.23 | peterius | or is it because I don't have some subversion development with headers? |
| 16:59.28 | valdyn | peterius: ld links object files, commonly suffixed .o |
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| 16:59.49 | valdyn | peterius: headers are for the compiler, not the linker |
| 17:00.09 | valdyn | peterius: but the packages containing the headers usually contain the linker files too |
| 17:00.10 | peterius | nm, its probably just because I need the dev package |
| 17:00.14 | peterius | yeah |
| 17:00.16 | valdyn | peterius: right |
| 17:00.47 | peterius | I feel like I forget this shit each and every time I do it |
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| 17:02.01 | mysteryc | Hi. |
| 17:02.19 | mysteryc | I am trying to watch a flash video but there is no sound at all. :s |
| 17:02.40 | abrotman | gnash? |
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| 17:03.32 | valdyn | flash versions not yet in debian, flash 10 support alsa directly |
| 17:03.36 | valdyn | much nicer really |
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| 17:04.27 | felix-da-catz | Alright, so they finally died. Thanks for your help guys! |
| 17:04.27 | mysteryc | huh? :S |
| 17:05.05 | kombi | abrotman: can't find the prerem-script in /var/lib/dpkg/info, is it in some special place? |
| 17:05.06 | valdyn | mysteryc: it means: get the latest flash from adobe and be done with it |
| 17:05.36 | abrotman | kombi: paste all the output in a pastebin |
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| 17:05.47 | mysteryc | valdyn: I did. But i think there is a problem with the audio in general? :s |
| 17:05.50 | themill | valdyn: ummmm why? |
| 17:05.58 | valdyn | mysteryc: probably |
| 17:06.04 | abrotman | mysteryc: give us more info .. which version of debian? which version of flash? which browser? |
| 17:06.05 | valdyn | themill: because it supports alsa |
| 17:06.15 | fluxdude | is anyone here running debian servers at work, what sized environments? I've been hearing a lot of "our company will only run Redhat" out there |
| 17:06.21 | themill | judd versions flashplugin-mozilla |
| 17:06.22 | judd | themill: flashplugin-mozilla: |
| 17:06.29 | themill | gah |
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| 17:06.34 | themill | judd versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:06.34 | judd | themill: flashplayer-mozilla: 1:9.0.124.0-0.1 (etch-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.2 (lenny-multimedia) 1:10.0.12.36-0.2 (sid-multimedia) |
| 17:06.38 | themill | valdyn: ^^ |
| 17:06.40 | mysteryc | abrotman: Debian Lenny. flash player 10. mozilla. but i think the problem is with the audio in general, except those gnome sounds whens. |
| 17:06.59 | valdyn | themill: lenny-multimedia? |
| 17:07.05 | valdyn | themill: thats marillat ? |
| 17:07.12 | themill | yep |
| 17:07.17 | valdyn | ah, nice |
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| 17:09.01 | kombi | abrotman: http://pastebin.se/196405 |
| 17:09.11 | valdyn | to bad he didnt package the 64-bit versions yet , i guess |
| 17:09.43 | themill | valdyn: in time! |
| 17:09.45 | mysteryc | ahh, I can't install limewire. it says Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java7-jre etc.. |
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| 17:11.10 | mysteryc | Jack_Sparrow: can you help me please? I have a problem with the audio. Im using Debian Lenny and I hae no audio :S |
| 17:11.27 | valdyn | nice, when java7 does not even seem to be released yet |
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| 17:12.12 | mysteryc | valdyn: Sorry, it was java6 |
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| 17:12.27 | themill | mysteryc: the "etc" is going to be important here. You'll need to put the entire output and also the command you used into a pastebin. |
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| 17:12.54 | themill | Also, since this isn't a debian package, you might doing better asking the people who made it. |
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| 17:13.28 | balasyum | Hi! |
| 17:13.48 | balasyum | I'm looking for some deb packages that I can't find using the web package search. |
| 17:13.49 | mysteryc | themill: There is no command, it's a deb file. The error says: "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java6-jre|icedtea-java7-jre|sun-java6-jdk|idectea-java7-jdk|sun-java5-jre|sun-java5-jdk |
| 17:14.22 | abrotman | kombi: english would be nice |
| 17:14.39 | themill | mysteryc: what gives that error? There's always a command.... You can install sun java easily: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:14.48 | kombi | abrotman: fair point..;) just a moment.. |
| 17:15.00 | balasyum | I'm looking for a whine (or other) noise generator and a mind-mapper like scratchpad. |
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| 17:16.03 | themill | balasyum: "apt-cache search mind map". I've heard good things about freemind. |
| 17:16.22 | balasyum | Thank you themill. Any idea about the noise generator? |
| 17:16.56 | TCW | balasyum, apt-cache search noise generator ? |
| 17:17.04 | themill | balasyum: speaker-test from the alsa-test package? |
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| 17:17.17 | balasyum | Thank you :) |
| 17:17.26 | themill | balasyum: following TCW's ideas, siggen might be better |
| 17:17.39 | balasyum | Yes, just found it. |
| 17:17.44 | kombi | abrotman: http://pastebin.se/196406 |
| 17:17.47 | themill | balasyum: (err alsa-utils package) |
| 17:17.50 | mysteryc | Ahh, perfect! Reporisoty went mad! It says it cannot find it. How do I change repos? |
| 17:17.51 | TCW | balasyum, first try apt-cache... it does know MORE then we do... and maybe afterwards ask here |
| 17:17.53 | hmann | abrotman stinks |
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| 17:18.08 | fluxdude | so nobody here is using debian servers at work? |
| 17:18.10 | balasyum | I've tried the web search, TCW . |
| 17:18.10 | hmann | join the anti-abrotman movement! |
| 17:18.13 | hmann | now! |
| 17:18.29 | themill | hmann: do you have something constructive you'd like to add to #debian? If not, please be silent. |
| 17:18.29 | TCW | balasyum, why the web? apt-cache is there |
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| 17:18.46 | balasyum | It's browsable, etc. |
| 17:19.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.13 | TCW | balasyum, I don't get that... |
| 17:19.24 | hmann | themill: spoilsport |
| 17:19.47 | stew | hmann: please take this to #debian-offtopic or /query or somewhere more appropriate |
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| 17:20.23 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:20.43 | TCW | fluxdude, I do, why? |
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| 17:21.26 | J_P | what package has icons/images like as directories images.. etc ? |
| 17:21.35 | themill | fluxdude: of course we do. Did you really want 800 people to tell you they did? What's your real question? |
| 17:21.51 | mysteryc | How can I change the mirror of my repos? |
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| 17:22.33 | valdyn | fluxdude: there is plenty examples of debian in the enterprise on google, why ask us? |
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| 17:22.52 | themill | dpkg: tell mysteryc about sources.list |
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| 17:23.59 | fluxdude | it still seems to be a redhat dominated server market place... just wanted some opinion on that... never mind... maybe it was a stupid question... |
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| 17:24.35 | valdyn | fluxdude: its not debian vs redhat, its what kind of support model you want really |
| 17:24.36 | mysteryc | themill: lol thanks, i set the country to france cz debian doesnt have for my country :( |
| 17:24.58 | valdyn | fluxdude: redhat has easy support models at at price, debian doesnt really have that option |
| 17:25.03 | balasyum | Siggen says: segmentation fault :S |
| 17:25.32 | themill | mysteryc: there are many mirrors around. /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 17:27.11 | hick0rd | What is the testing repo of debian etch? |
| 17:27.33 | valdyn | hick0rd: etch is stable, its not testing |
| 17:27.35 | kombi | got two boxes running lenny/sid both up-to-date. When I ssh-keygen a public key, copy it to the other and run ssh-vulnkey it marks it as compromised. Any ideas? |
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| 17:28.05 | mysteryc | themill: i am trying to install java with dpkg's instuctions but it says to apt-get the package sun-java-plugin5 but there is no such package! :s |
| 17:28.19 | valdyn | mysteryc: sun-java5-plugin |
| 17:28.21 | themill | mysteryc: no it doesn't. it says sun-java5-plugin |
| 17:28.37 | hick0rd | valdyn, how can I enable the testing repo then? |
| 17:28.45 | mysteryc | themill, valdyn: yeah i got confised but even that is not included :s |
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| 17:29.02 | mysteryc | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-plugin |
| 17:29.12 | themill | mysteryc: it is, it's in non-free. Have you added non-free sources as dpkg said? |
| 17:29.34 | mysteryc | themill: ohhh, shoot, sorry. what's the list for non-free? |
| 17:29.43 | themill | mysteryc: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:30.05 | themill | mysteryc: or even better, /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 17:32.24 | hick0rd | What is the testing repo of debian? |
| 17:32.36 | tCzern | Hello, I am running 64studio (Debian based) and I am wondering if there is an option to make an easy switch to Debian without reinstalling everything, thanks! |
| 17:32.49 | TCW | hick0rd, if you ask... you probably don't want testing... |
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| 17:33.16 | hick0rd | TCW, just curious to know ;) |
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| 17:33.44 | TCW | hick0rd, read www.debian.org if you ars so curious |
| 17:33.53 | TCW | s/ars/are/ |
| 17:34.03 | valdyn | hick0rd: stable -> testing is an upgrade path, you dont just activate repos and mix packages |
| 17:34.11 | RoenieSrvr | valdyn, last time i booted the debian install cd it listed the drives as scsi1, scsi2, scsi8, scsi8 being the one with the root fs on it. what should i use for X in (hdX,Y) in grubs menu.lst? |
| 17:34.39 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: hd3 probably |
| 17:34.42 | hick0rd | valdyn, I just want to update some pkgs in order to configure something. |
| 17:34.48 | RoenieSrvr | not 2? 0,1,2 |
| 17:34.56 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: hd2 even |
| 17:34.58 | valdyn | RoenieSrvr: yea |
| 17:35.10 | hick0rd | valdyn, these packages are available on debian testing |
| 17:35.14 | valdyn | hick0rd: can you be any more vague? |
| 17:35.49 | TCW | RoenieSrvr, the connected (virtual) scsi-bus would be scsi1...8.. whatever, the actual disks would be named sda, sdb and so forth |
| 17:36.00 | stew | hick0rd: which packages? |
| 17:36.18 | themill | hick0rd: mixing stable and testing is a recipe for disaster. Look for backports first (/msg dpkg backports) or make your own. If all else fails, upgrade. |
| 17:37.03 | TCW | RoenieSrvr, and the nameing scheme of grub is... awkward to say the least :) the mapping between hd0... hd9 etc just means, hd0 is the FIRST disk the computer found... that's why there is this device.map, where you can define what disk is what grub device |
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| 17:37.37 | RoenieSrvr | i see |
| 17:37.38 | valdyn | TCW: umm, you cant define as in determine |
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| 17:38.16 | TCW | valdyn, not completely free, maybe, but to a certain degree you can |
| 17:38.18 | valdyn | TCW: that file just tells grub-install how bios orders the disks |
| 17:38.19 | RoenieSrvr | shoot. hd2,2 error 21: disk does not exist |
| 17:38.24 | valdyn | TCW: no, totally not free |
| 17:38.33 | hick0rd | themill, let me give me the error |
| 17:38.42 | hick0rd | themill, s/me/you |
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| 17:39.06 | TCW | valdyn, I think I remember one can deal with one time plugged and one time not plugged USB disks with that |
| 17:39.08 | hick0rd | themill, Requested 'libcurl >= 7.16.3' but version of libcurl is 7.15.5 |
| 17:39.09 | RoenieSrvr | maybe hooking the drive back up will help |
| 17:39.11 | hick0rd | valdyn, Requested 'libcurl >= 7.16.3' but version of libcurl is 7.15.5 |
| 17:39.14 | RoenieSrvr | :P |
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| 17:39.21 | valdyn | TCW: your bios allows you to define the order, and device.map needs to reflect that |
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| 17:40.06 | themill | hick0rd: there's no package in debian called libcurl at all. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:40.06 | TCW | valdyn, but what if the order does change sometimes? See the example of plugged usb disks |
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| 17:40.38 | RoenieSrvr | valdyn, my bios doesn't allow crap |
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| 17:40.48 | jhamlin | Hi folks. I have a samba share mounted with smbfs (via fstab). For some reason I don't have write access to files that other people have edited. How can I fix this problem? |
| 17:40.48 | hick0rd | themill, libcurl3 maybe |
| 17:41.02 | hick0rd | themill, curl too. |
| 17:41.12 | mysteryc | I am trying to install limewire but it says Installation Failed |
| 17:41.18 | mysteryc | And there is no output :/ |
| 17:41.18 | TCW | valdyn, but I may be wrong there... |
| 17:41.34 | themill | hick0rd: "maybe" is most unhelpful when it comes to error messages.... Now, are you trying to do? What package are you trying to install and where is it from? |
| 17:41.36 | RoenieSrvr | i'm using an X48 mobo btw |
| 17:41.37 | valdyn | TCW: well, device.map does not need to match current disk order, it only needs to match the order that is in place when you boot |
| 17:41.40 | RoenieSrvr | bbl, food |
| 17:41.55 | hick0rd | themill, there's no more updates for curl on the stable. that's why I'd like to give a try and search for it on testing |
| 17:41.58 | slicer_ | mysteryc: you need java |
| 17:41.58 | sladi | TCW: grub2 uses uuicd (if I got it correctly). maybe it would help? However it still may not support booting a harddisk it is not located on (map function is missing). |
| 17:42.06 | mysteryc | slicer_: I just installed java. |
| 17:42.10 | stew | hick0rd: what version of libcurl3 do you need? |
| 17:42.20 | valdyn | TCW: and only as far as you use disks at all to boot, i.e. hd3 will easily be irrelevant in usual setups |
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| 17:42.47 | sladi | TCW: the first boot disk should always be hd0 |
| 17:42.52 | valdyn | grub2 has hardware drivers, entirely different beast |
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| 17:43.02 | TCW | sladi, valdyn, hum... let me think about that again when I have such an issue :) |
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| 17:44.23 | TCW | hmmm... if I would play around with booting from usb, I would put grub on the usb drive as well... so I think the problem would be non-existant |
| 17:44.25 | themill | hick0rd: you won't be able to install the curl from testing on an etch machine. Can you please stop being vague and try telling us what you are actually doing. What you trying to do? What package are you trying to install and where is it from? |
| 17:44.43 | mysteryc | stew: I just tried to install liewire but it failed. Do you have any idea why? :s |
| 17:44.49 | mysteryc | stew: There is no output. :/ |
| 17:45.03 | themill | mysteryc: then how do you know it failed? |
| 17:45.10 | delire | hehe |
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| 17:45.25 | mysteryc | themill: When I run it it says installation failed. no output in the terminal though :/ |
| 17:45.37 | sladi | TCW: I guess so too. :) I just need to chainload windows which is on another drive and that won't work. |
| 17:46.00 | jhamlin | When I mount a shared folder via smbfs I can't edit/delete files that other users have opened. When I ssh to the server I have no problem editing/deleting these files. How can I fix my problem with the samba mount? |
| 17:46.10 | hick0rd | themill, I'm trying to install transmission-1.40.tar.bz2 |
| 17:46.16 | stew | mysteryc: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:46.38 | TCW | sladi, you mean if grub is on hda, windows on hdc and the usb drive connected as sda? |
| 17:46.56 | hick0rd | themill, the aforementioned error has been occurred during the configuration |
| 17:47.00 | sladi | TCW: your bios needs to keep the usb drive on first place then. otherwise you need its boot menu. |
| 17:47.19 | TCW | slI thought that's the idea behind that? |
| 17:47.24 | TCW | sladi, even |
| 17:47.34 | mysteryc | stew: it's a deb packaged, i run it through the gdebi package installer. it says installation failed and the terminal below it prins out nothing. it's all blank ;/ |
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| 17:48.12 | stew | mysteryc: can you try installing it with dpkg -i |
| 17:48.18 | themill | hick0rd: I'd say that you're out of luck on etch with that. You could try a lenny chroot though. Or upgrade the machine to lenny. Or you could just use a client that's already in debian... |
| 17:48.36 | sladi | TCW: grub2 hasn't implemented what you need to load an os on another hdd via it's menu. if your bios automatically boots the usb drive, when it's there, it should work however. |
| 17:48.56 | hick0rd | themill, the client that's already in debian is not supported :) |
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| 17:49.03 | TCW | sladi, ah yes... correct and agreed :) |
| 17:49.19 | mysteryc | stew: it said (Reading database ... 81565 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 17:49.19 | mysteryc | Unpacking limewire-basic (from LimeWireLinux.deb) ... |
| 17:49.19 | mysteryc | Setting up limewire-basic (4.18.8-1) ... |
| 17:49.20 | hick0rd | stew, libcurl3 7.15.5 need to upgrade it to 7.16.3 |
| 17:49.33 | mysteryc | stew: and then it stopped :S |
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| 17:49.39 | sladi | TCW: iirc my bios forgets the usb drive when there is none and doesn't put it where it was when i plug it in again. |
| 17:49.42 | sladi | :) |
| 17:49.44 | stew | judd: build-dep libcurl3-dev --release lenny |
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| 17:49.55 | TCW | sladi, silly BIOS then :) |
| 17:50.18 | themill | dpkg: fix judd |
| 17:50.19 | dpkg | takes judd to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 17:50.38 | stew | judd: build-dep curl --release lenny |
| 17:50.39 | judd | stew: curl -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>> 5), autoconf, libtool, automake1.9, binutils (>= 2.14.90.0.7), libssl-dev, libgnutls-dev, zlib1g-dev, stunnel, libkrb5-dev [!hurd-i386], libidn11-dev, groff-base, libdb4.5-dev | libdb-dev, libldap2-dev, quilt, libssh2-1-dev |
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| 17:50.59 | themill | stew: only source package names not binary packages? |
| 17:51.04 | sladi | TCW: i chatted with Felix, a dev and iirc he submitted a patch for that function already. :) |
| 17:51.14 | stew | themill: there isnt' a libcurl3-dev package in lenny |
| 17:51.32 | themill | stew: ahh... that will do it too |
| 17:51.35 | TCW | sladi, how could ANY grub patch help to fix your buggy BIOS? |
| 17:51.39 | stew | Binary: curl, libcurl3, libcurl3-gnutls, libcurl4-openssl-dev, libcurl4-gnutls-dev, libcurl3-dbg |
| 17:51.59 | stew | debhelper is going to be a problem there |
| 17:52.08 | themill | judd: versions debhelper |
| 17:52.08 | judd | themill: debhelper: 5.0.42 (etch) 7.0.15~bpo40+2 (etch-backports) 7.0.15 (lenny) 7.0.17 (sid) 7.1.0 (experimental) |
| 17:52.12 | themill | it's on bpo |
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| 17:52.34 | stew | oh, but, yeah, 5.0.42 is >> 5, duh |
| 17:52.37 | jhamlin | I write a file onto a drive mounted with smbfs via fstab. Then after anyone else on the network edits the file I now longer have write access to the file. What's wrong and how can I fix? |
| 17:52.39 | hick0rd | judd, versions libcurl |
| 17:52.41 | judd | hick0rd: libcurl: |
| 17:52.43 | sladi | TCW: it would help me to chainload windows, which is on a different drive. |
| 17:52.51 | stew | hick0rd: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:53.01 | stew | hick0rd: you can try to backport the curl package |
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| 17:53.04 | hick0rd | judd: versions libcurl3 |
| 17:53.05 | judd | hick0rd: libcurl3: 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch) 7.15.5-1etch1 (etch-security) 7.18.2-5 (lenny) 7.18.2-7 (sid) |
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| 17:53.29 | themill | hick0rd: the rest of your etch system may or may not be happy with the backported package, however. |
| 17:53.52 | stew | hick0rd: is the version of transmission in etch not good enough? |
| 17:54.32 | hick0rd | stew, yes. |
| 17:54.51 | jhamlin | jhamlin *checks to make sure he's removed his invisibility ring* |
| 17:54.55 | hick0rd | stew, unfortunately |
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| 17:55.45 | mhymn_ | jhamlin: use '/me' in these cases, side note! |
| 17:55.47 | hick0rd | stew, what is this package that is on (etch-security) 7.18.2 |
| 17:55.53 | hick0rd | stew, it might help |
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| 17:56.01 | stew | hick0rd: that's on lenny |
| 17:56.03 | jhamlin | mysteryc: thanks... |
| 17:56.06 | stew | i shoudl make the output more clear |
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| 17:56.54 | hick0rd | stew, shall I get it from lenny instead of backport |
| 17:57.11 | themill | hick0rd: you can't! That's what I've spent the last 30 min trying to tell you |
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| 17:57.57 | hick0rd | themill, sorry for the inconvenience :) |
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| 18:00.43 | jhamlin | Basically after mounting smbfs via fstab I can write new files but I can't edit files others have created/modified. Here is my fstab entry: |
| 18:00.45 | jhamlin | //IP/User\040Files /home/foo/foo smbfs defaults,credentials=/root/.samba/mbmserver,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 18:00.56 | jhamlin | What's wrong with this ^^? |
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| 18:01.19 | stew | judd: versions libcurl3 |
| 18:01.20 | judd | stew: libcurl3 -- etch: 7.15.5-1etch1 etch-security: 7.15.5-1etch1 lenny: 7.18.2-5 sid: 7.18.2-7 |
| 18:01.35 | orci | hi, is there a way to return to go back to clean install from a cdrom? |
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| 18:02.23 | orci | can I put a rule in synaptic to show me packages which were installed after a clean cdrom install? |
| 18:02.25 | themill | stew: marginally better... making a function for the output that does a join on a list with comma separation would be nicer though, I guess. |
| 18:02.37 | themill | suspects he just volunteered himself for a job |
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| 18:04.03 | jhamlin | Hmmmmmm people really don't like samba or something??? |
| 18:05.46 | themill | jhamlin: what's the output of "ls -l /home/foo/foo/someones/file" where that's a file that someone else has created and you can't edit it? |
| 18:06.15 | mysteryc | I can't hear sound in flash. :s |
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| 18:09.19 | sladi | mysteryc: flash has broken alsa support. it is made for alsa. |
| 18:09.36 | mysteryc | sladi: uh, so what should I do? :s |
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| 18:10.05 | sladi | mysteryc: do you use alsa or oss? does alsa work? I haven't used oss. |
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| 18:10.24 | mysteryc | sladi: I'm using alsa. |
| 18:10.47 | frukt_ | hi, #debian. a (presumably) simple question: i've cloned a partition containing an etch system, modified grub's menu.lst and the cloned /etc/fstab, but i can't seem to get the clone to boot up - the original partition is booted. any tips? |
| 18:10.50 | jhamlin | themill: -rwxr-xr-x |
| 18:11.02 | sladi | mysteryc: does it work? install alsa-tools and try speaker-test |
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| 18:12.14 | themill | jhamlin: that would do it then, wouldn't it? You don't have write permissions on that file. You probably want to look at the fmask and dmask options in man mount.smbfs. |
| 18:12.59 | jhamlin | themill: it's wierd though because that is the same set of permissions that is on files that I _can_ edit... |
| 18:13.07 | themill | jhamlin: of course, the server can still enforce permissions on you too... |
| 18:13.20 | themill | jhamlin: but is the owner different on those files? |
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| 18:15.23 | jhamlin | themill: ahhhh perhaps. Although when I right click and go to properties - permissions (in konqueror) both files that I can write and files that I can't write show that I am the owner... |
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| 18:16.09 | themill | now remembers why he initially ignored the smbfs question... |
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| 18:16.21 | jhamlin | ? |
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| 18:16.38 | themill | jhamlin: samba hurts my head... |
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| 18:17.09 | jhamlin | yah it's been aggravating trying to get it to work properly |
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| 18:18.24 | Thlayli | hi, i simply can't install php5 on sarge. it seems my sources.list is outdated |
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| 18:18.32 | Thlayli | the sources i find on the internet won't work |
| 18:18.41 | jhamlin | themill: what permissions would you recommend for fmask= and dmask=? I still haven't wrapped my head around what are the right permissions in various situations... |
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| 18:19.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Thlayli about sarge->etch |
| 18:19.34 | themill | Thlayli: php5 isn't available for sarge and sarge is no longer supported anyway. You're about 10 months past "it's time to upgrade urgently!". |
| 18:19.36 | Thlayli | i don't really want etch |
| 18:19.41 | Thlayli | the system has been setup and runs smoothly |
| 18:19.52 | Thlayli | well, ok |
| 18:19.56 | Thlayli | no choice then |
| 18:20.02 | Thlayli | but i've got this virtual server |
| 18:20.07 | Thlayli | and that's the image they installed |
| 18:20.11 | Thlayli | when I chose debian |
| 18:20.17 | Thlayli | about 4 months ago |
| 18:20.22 | themill | Thlayli: then you really should tell your provider to get a clue. |
| 18:20.30 | mysteryc | Something's wrong with my sound. It won't play any audio! :S |
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| 18:21.52 | Thlayli | so, for the sake of upgrading: is apt-get dist-upgrade really the only command i will need (despite of the packages) |
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| 18:22.44 | themill | jhamlin: dmask=0002,fmask=0003 is probably reasonable. But remember that gives write permissions to all people in your group and you may not want that. (Remember also that the server has its own idea about file ownership and permissions...) |
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| 18:23.03 | themill | Thlayli: it's a little more complicated than that; read the upgrade section of the release notes |
| 18:23.21 | RoenieSrvr | wtf, after booting my / is on /dev/sdc3, but when i type cfdisk /dev/sdc i get: cannot open disk drive |
| 18:23.22 | jhamlin | themill: many thanks for the help. This issue has been messing with me for months |
| 18:23.28 | fde | What is the factoid called that describes how to restore package sets between boxes via dpkg --set-selections and --get-selections ? |
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| 18:24.01 | RoenieSrvr | what are the possible causes for that? |
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| 18:24.22 | themill | dpkg: tell fde about debian clone |
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| 18:25.53 | kombi | all my ssh-keys generated on stable are marked "compromised" on testing. I thought stable was not affected by the random seed issue? |
| 18:26.20 | pickcoder | it was |
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| 18:26.34 | pickcoder | and a blacklist ssh-key package was released |
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| 18:26.56 | fde | themill: thank you :) |
| 18:26.57 | kombi | pickcoder: that just occured to me too.. thanks pickcoder! |
| 18:27.57 | frukt_ | no hints as to why a cloned etch partition won't boot? |
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| 18:29.14 | cahoot | no msg from grub? |
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| 18:29.56 | frukt_ | nope, the original partition boots up |
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| 18:30.05 | frukt_ | i can't seem to get the clone to boot |
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| 18:35.30 | lord_rob | Hi ! To set my screen resolution in xorg, I was used to do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", now I don't find that option here. How do I set my screen resolution(s) ? Thanks |
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| 18:36.09 | jhamlin | themill: now my fstab looks like this: //IP/User\040Files /home/foo/foo smbfs defaults,credentials=/root/.samba/mbmserver,dmask=0002,fmask=0003,id=1000,gid=1000 0 0. But I seem to only be able to mount it as root. and after mounting as root I can't see the files as a normal user... |
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| 18:37.07 | themill | jhamlin: I hope you have "uid" not "id" in that line |
| 18:37.08 | kombi | pickcoder: installed openssh-blacklist on stable, reloaded ssh, still it produces compromised keys, hrmpf.. |
| 18:37.20 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, is there a "howto" or something online for technically retarded people to use GPG (or PGP)? I have a client that wants to have CCs sent to them when orders are placed (I plan on telling him NO unless he uses GPG/PGP to encrypt the messages) |
| 18:37.33 | pkcahier | jhamlin: is /root/.samba/mbmserver accessible to the normal user? |
| 18:37.34 | mick_laptop | but he is technically "challenged" shall we say |
| 18:37.39 | pkcahier | oh wait |
| 18:37.41 | jhamlin | themill: wowsers you're right |
| 18:37.42 | pkcahier | misread, n/m |
| 18:37.49 | jhamlin | pkcahier: no |
| 18:37.50 | azeem | kombi: openssh-blacklist ist not against producing compromised keys, but to reject logins based on compromised keys |
| 18:38.00 | azeem | kombi: did you update libssl0.9.8 as well? |
| 18:38.06 | kombi | azeem: ok.. |
| 18:38.15 | azeem | at least AFAIK |
| 18:38.36 | mick_laptop | i think that in order to use something like enigmail etc, you should have a basic understanding of PKI |
| 18:38.37 | themill | jhamlin: no worries... it's so easy to do when you've been hitting against something for a long time |
| 18:39.08 | mick_laptop | but I'm not good at explaining those sort of things to someone who uses outlook |
| 18:39.26 | kombi | azeem: 0.9.8g-4 on here.. |
| 18:39.42 | kombi | weired.. |
| 18:39.44 | jhamlin | themill: hmmm even after changing back to uid I still can't mount as non-root |
| 18:39.54 | azeem | kombi: eh, that one is not in stable or testing |
| 18:40.38 | kombi | azeem: sorry, libssl0.9.8 it says.. |
| 18:40.51 | azeem | ? |
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| 18:41.09 | kombi | the other thingie was output from dpkg -l | grep ssl |
| 18:41.24 | azeem | kombi: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep ssl" |
| 18:41.27 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 18:41.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:41.35 | themill | jhamlin: :( but you could before? |
| 18:41.42 | azeem | !info libssl0.9.8 stable |
| 18:42.05 | stew | judd: versions libssl0.9.8 |
| 18:42.05 | judd | stew: libssl0.9.8 -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch3 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch3 lenny: 0.9.8g-14 sid: 0.9.8g-14 |
| 18:42.06 | dpkg | libssl0.9.8: (SSL shared libraries), section libs, is important. Version: 0.9.8c-4etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2653 kB, Installed size: 6152 kB |
| 18:42.09 | kombi | azeem: http://www.pastebin.se/196409 |
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| 18:42.32 | azeem | kombi: as I said, that version is bad |
| 18:42.41 | azeem | kombi: are you running stable or testing? |
| 18:42.48 | kombi | azeem: stable |
| 18:42.48 | stew | kombi: you at some point upgraded your ssl to testing, but you no longer have testing in your sources.list, you should explicitly install the version from etch |
| 18:42.54 | azeem | kombi: you installed that one from testing |
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| 18:43.28 | kombi | azeem, stew: hmm, it says stable in the sources list, how to I fix it? |
| 18:43.53 | azeem | kombi: apt-get install libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch3 |
| 18:43.59 | stew | ^^ |
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| 18:45.21 | kombi | azeem: how ever you came up with that line, it is happily installing now..;) If that resolves the authorized_keys issue I been monging on for hours now, beers are on me! |
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| 18:46.00 | kombi | but... ssh-keygen command not found... |
| 18:46.01 | stew | we have seen exactly this with exactly this version of ssl many times, i wonder what exactly cuased so many people to upgrade to this testing version |
| 18:46.21 | stew | kombi: install openssh-client |
| 18:46.40 | kombi | stew: I honestly can't recall doing that, I usually don't triffle with my sources.list |
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| 18:47.37 | ringo999 | anybody using a macbook with debian? |
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| 18:47.59 | ringo999 | how did you get the touchpad to work properly, did you have to compile your own kernel using mactel-patches? |
| 18:48.36 | Firefishe | How do I change the sources.list file in /etc/apt/ to access the swedish servers? |
| 18:48.37 | kombi | BEERS ARE ON ME!!! |
| 18:49.09 | kombi | Firefishe: there's a list of all mirrors on debian.org |
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| 18:50.01 | Firefishe | kombi: I know they're listed there, but what I always have problems with in debian is finding a way to easily change mirrors in synaptic. |
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| 18:50.28 | dtcrshr | Firefishe |
| 18:50.34 | dtcrshr | edit your sources.list |
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| 18:50.38 | dtcrshr | and apt-get update |
| 18:50.39 | Firefishe | kombi: I mean, isn't there a config file or something I can add to the thing so I don't have to keep manually changing sources.list? |
| 18:50.42 | kombi | Firefishe: there is an utility that supposedly finds the best pinging ones and enters them automaitcally |
| 18:50.58 | kombi | can't recall the name of it though.. |
| 18:51.04 | Firefishe | kombi: Yes, I'm familiar with it, but it doesn't always work properly |
| 18:51.10 | carsten | Hi all, I'm currently trying to build a package linking against libmd5. In etch and sid this is contained in libwww, but this package does not exist. Is there a deeper reason for this? |
| 18:51.10 | kombi | true.. |
| 18:51.36 | carsten | sorry, I forgot to say that I'm building in lenny - sorry |
| 18:52.01 | Firefishe | kombi: I just want the swedish servers sources.list. I go to repository index dialog in synaptic, but I don't have any repository selection at all. Just manual entry fields. |
| 18:52.02 | kombi | stew, azeem: come over for a drink! |
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| 18:52.58 | kombi | Firefishe: I'm afraid I don't even know what Synaptic is, never had a linux desktop in my life..;) |
| 18:53.06 | stew | give mine to azeem, he's closer |
| 18:53.15 | Firefishe | kombi: ??? |
| 18:53.27 | kombi | stew: done deal! (how do you know anyway?) |
| 18:53.40 | carsten | kombi: Synaptic is a package installer for Gnome (introduced by Ubuntu IIRC) |
| 18:53.41 | Firefishe | synaptic is debian's primary gui-based package manager -- kde in my case |
| 18:53.54 | stew | kombi: well, he's at least closer to the ip you are ircing from |
| 18:54.03 | kombi | thanks carsten... |
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| 18:54.17 | carsten | Firefishe: isn't it adept for KDE? |
| 18:54.32 | Firefishe | carsten: I don't use adept, I use synaptic. |
| 18:54.34 | themill | carsten: adept still has some way to go before it's useful |
| 18:54.52 | carsten | themill: Might be, i still prefer the CLi anyway |
| 18:54.53 | kombi | Firefishe: I see, I only do vi I'm afraid..;) |
| 18:55.06 | Firefishe | or aptitude, or apt-get, or dpkg, depending on my needs |
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| 18:55.29 | Firefishe | kombi: Nothing wrong with that. I prefer nano. Blows vi out of the water. |
| 18:55.57 | kombi | Firefishe: we're not going there..;) (not even into the water;) |
| 18:56.09 | Firefishe | kombi: gotcha ;) heh |
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| 18:56.40 | ringo999 | i installed debian on macbook 1st generation and have problems with touchpad which is oversensitive and results in big mess when typing to fast. :-/ |
| 18:57.13 | ringo999 | been searching for help for three days now, nothing so far. |
| 18:57.37 | dtcrshr | [ringo999]: a few days ago an user asked here on the channel for this same issue |
| 18:57.39 | peleg | in screen, ctrl-A 7 brings me to window 7. what will bring me to window 10 ? |
| 18:57.41 | Sebboh | Hi. I'm trying to kill X but it's not responding. I did kill -9 <pid> and it's still there. Uh, now what? X is taking 100% cpu.. (but I was able to connect to the machine via ssh and that shell is responsive.) |
| 18:58.07 | Firefishe | ringo999: What kind of mac do you have? Specifically? |
| 18:58.11 | dtcrshr | [Sebboh]: do u use gnome? tri to /etc/init.c/gdm stop |
| 18:58.40 | valdyn | Sebboh: why did you use -9? |
| 18:58.48 | Sebboh | pegleg, well, either ctrl+a 0 or ctrl+a 9 then ctrl+a space. |
| 18:58.53 | ringo999 | Firefishe: macbook 1st generation |
| 18:59.43 | Sebboh | valdyn, because it didn't respond to /etc/init.d/kdm stop. Then I tried kill <pid>. No response. Then I tried -9. Can I please have your approval now? |
| 19:00.06 | peleg | Sebboh: oh, thanks; that looks like a not-so-comfortable way, eh? |
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| 19:00.32 | peleg | Sebboh: can I change the number of a window? |
| 19:00.34 | Firefishe | ringo999: I see. I have experience with the G4 PowerPC 1GHz box. I can only make an educated guess, but I suggest that you may be able to adjust the touchpad sensitivity with a command line tool that might let you adjust the touchpad tracking speed. What tool that might be will probably require some research on your part, but that might be a good place to start. |
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| 19:00.50 | valdyn | Sebboh: well, its not about approval, its about fucking up a process with -9 and makeing it impossible to shut it down that way |
| 19:01.12 | valdyn | Sebboh: whats its state now? |
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| 19:01.56 | Firefishe | ringo999: I would start with googling for such names like: "macbook linux touchpad adjust first generation" etc. |
| 19:02.14 | Sebboh | peleg, screen has two command modes.. The single-key response mode, you're already using. There's also a "command line" type mode, where you hit some key then you get a : prompt, where you can issue a command. I imagine there is a short command for "goto screen 10" that you could type there.. But I don't know the syntax. |
| 19:02.17 | Firefishe | ringo999: Mix it up a bit, some forum listing is bound to pop up. |
| 19:02.53 | ringo999 | Firefishe: i have been searching the last couple of days. i read applying the mactel-patches to the kernel would help. this is as far as I got, i applied the patches, but now I'm stuck with configuring the kernel for compilation. so many options... |
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| 19:03.20 | Sebboh | valdyn, X is taking 100% cpu. I tried to shut it down normally (via /etc/init.d/kdm stop), then I tried to kill the process, then I tried to kill the process with signal 9. The process is still running and taking 100% cpu, so I came here for advice. |
| 19:03.40 | ringo999 | Firefishe: in fact, i dont really think its oversensitive, i think it's more a driver issue... |
| 19:03.55 | Firefishe | ringo999: I see. |
| 19:04.37 | peleg | Sebboh: thanks |
| 19:04.53 | Firefishe | ringo999: Well, one other option might be trying the mfrs. web site to see if their are any gnu/linux drivers that could be compiled from source. Heck, they might even have a .bin file that would set it up properly. |
| 19:04.58 | quiet | Sebboh: killall X doesn't help? |
| 19:05.04 | Firefishe | their=there |
| 19:05.05 | Sebboh | valdyn, FYI, this started when I upgraded to the binary nvidia drivers. I'll uninstall them soon, it seems. ;) (But first I'd like to figure out how to kill a process that has run away.. just in case it ever comes up again.) |
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| 19:05.22 | Sebboh | quiet, killall is a wrapper for kill ... |
| 19:05.33 | quiet | Sebboh: I'm aware. |
| 19:05.34 | Sebboh | sorry for the underline. |
| 19:05.35 | valdyn | Sebboh: you can kill a normal process running and taking 100% as you just tried |
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| 19:06.13 | valdyn | Sebboh: maybe its really your kernel taking 100% ( that would be the nvidia module ) |
| 19:06.19 | Sebboh | valdyn, I'm not aware of X being special. I guess.. that there is a kernel level module.. or something, associated with these new nvidia drivers. |
| 19:06.32 | Sebboh | Yes. I'm thinking along the same lines. :) |
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| 19:06.37 | Sebboh | I'll look into it.. |
| 19:06.48 | valdyn | Sebboh: but top is assigning 100% to the Xorg process ? |
| 19:07.19 | valdyn | Sebboh: you really should have near 99%sys in top afaict |
| 19:07.32 | valdyn | Sebboh: or "sy" |
| 19:08.12 | Sebboh | oh, actually, it's taking 100% of one core.. I have two cores. The top output seems to be aware of that in some columns and not aware of it in others.. =P |
| 19:08.21 | Sebboh | So the numbers are misleading at best.. |
| 19:08.32 | valdyn | Sebboh: the percentages are always 100% = 1 core |
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| 19:08.50 | valdyn | Sebboh: 200% 2 cores, but one non-threaded process cant take more than 100% |
| 19:09.10 | ranix | there is a kernel module with the nvidia drivers |
| 19:09.12 | Sebboh | Right right. Anyway yes, sys is 50%. |
| 19:09.36 | Sebboh | ranix, I'm going to rmmod it. Right? |
| 19:09.41 | valdyn | Sebboh: what is the actual state of the X process? |
| 19:09.51 | valdyn | Sebboh: it cant be running after kill -9 |
| 19:09.58 | ranix | Sebboh: not going to kill you to rmmod it |
| 19:10.11 | valdyn | he cant rmmod it |
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| 19:10.25 | damjan | I've just installed debian 4.0 on an IBM server and it has automatically put the hardisk in a dm_multipath setup (I dunno why) |
| 19:10.48 | Sebboh | valdyn, how do you know? Who said that? I haven't tried yet. |
| 19:10.51 | valdyn | Sebboh: should be in D state |
| 19:11.12 | ringo999 | an audio (mp3) player application that needs no x frontend? |
| 19:11.26 | carsten | ringo999: mpg123 |
| 19:11.28 | valdyn | Sebboh: if you can rmmod nvidia while X is still running then theres something more serious wrong |
| 19:11.33 | Sebboh | ... What's this nvidia module supposed to be called? I don't see one. (Maybe that's what's wrong with X.) |
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| 19:12.19 | valdyn | Sebboh: what is the X process state? |
| 19:12.28 | valdyn | Sebboh: the state is listed in top too, in the S column |
| 19:13.07 | ringo999 | Firefishe: basically, this is my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=457360 |
| 19:13.35 | valdyn | ringo999: mp3blaster,mpd |
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| 19:14.35 | quiet | mpd + ncmpc = awesome for cli |
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| 19:18.41 | Firefishe | ringo999: Sorry, was away for a bit, I'll look at that link |
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| 19:19.01 | Firefishe | ringo999: are you using debian for ppc? |
| 19:19.05 | mth`off|Andy | hi @ all |
| 19:19.10 | Firefishe | or ubuntu? |
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| 19:22.35 | ringo999 | Firefishe: debian for intel |
| 19:22.54 | Firefishe | ringo: MacBook Intel first gen, Isee. |
| 19:22.56 | Firefishe | I see |
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| 19:23.26 | ringo999 | Firefishe: yep ;-) |
| 19:24.09 | Firefishe | does anyone know where I might find the kvirc-dev and kvirc-data packages for the 3.4.2 releae of kvirc? I've checked the sites but I can't find the .debs anyway, save for the debian kvirc binary. |
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| 19:27.23 | mth`AndyPost | Hi - I've got a problem with installing plesk via shell on debian 4 - the error message is postet here: http://pastebin.com/m44f64fc2 |
| 19:27.27 | twobitsprite | what do you do when a kill -9 doesn't kill something? |
| 19:27.41 | et | kill -11 it ;) |
| 19:28.15 | diydog | quit |
| 19:28.17 | et | is it a zombie? |
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| 19:28.36 | et | twobitsprite: what's the parent process? |
| 19:28.47 | twobitsprite | killed it |
| 19:28.54 | twobitsprite | its owned by root |
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| 19:29.10 | twobitsprite | er... killed the parent, hung command is still there |
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| 19:29.23 | et | kill init ;) |
| 19:29.26 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 19:32.10 | valdyn | !listkeys kill |
| 19:32.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kill' by key (15 of 53): CMD: /kill (.*?) ;; i killed kenny ;; jobs skills ;; kill yourself ;; kill-9 ;; kill2 ;; killall dpkg ;; killer klowns ;; killme2 ;; kills (.*?) ;; my god! you killed kenny! ;; oom-killer ;; vanity kill ;; what killed the cat ;; you killed kenny. |
| 19:32.20 | et | dpkg: you killed kenny |
| 19:32.20 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 19:32.41 | et | dpkg: listkeys nal |
| 19:32.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nal' by key (15 of 88): #debian eternal sunday ;; _default analog ;; anal cocks ;; analbong ;; bash eternal history ;; cantor diagonalization ;; cmd: eternal (.?*) ;; desktop terminal ;; groups rationale ;; in the final analysis who ;; mickhucknallsmack ;; orthogonal ;; signal 11 ;; universal gravitational constant ;; windows 2000 professional. |
| 19:32.48 | jhamlin | I'm having a permissions problem. My fstab looks like //IP/User\040Files /home/foo/server_user_files smbfs defaults,credentials=/root/.samba/mbmserver,dmask=0002,fmask=0003,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0. The problem is that I can't mount this as a normal user and if I mount as root, I can't view the files as a normal user. How can I fix? |
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| 19:33.13 | et | dpkg: universal gravitational constant |
| 19:33.14 | jhamlin | I should add that the credentials file is only readable as root... is that the problem |
| 19:33.14 | dpkg | hmm... universal gravitational constant is 6.67259E-11 |
| 19:33.17 | valdyn | jhamlin: your user is not uid 1000 ? |
| 19:33.27 | et | dpkg: units! |
| 19:33.28 | dpkg | [Units] -- the swiss-army knife of converting between, well, units. 'apt-get install units'. |
| 19:33.29 | stew | jhamlin: to mount as a user, add the user option |
| 19:33.35 | twobitsprite | dpkg: pi |
| 19:33.36 | dpkg | somebody said pi was 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326 |
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| 19:33.47 | valdyn | jhamlin: as who you mount it does not determine who can read it btw |
| 19:33.50 | et | dpkg: pie |
| 19:33.50 | dpkg | methinks pie is NOT a mathematical term. It's a food. or about 8.539734222677. |
| 19:33.52 | themill | enough on the bot abuse, guys |
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| 19:34.16 | jhamlin | valdyn: my uid is 1000 |
| 19:34.28 | et | a bot knowing things as "analbong" deserves to be abused ;) |
| 19:34.35 | stew | jhamlin: how are you mounting it as root? |
| 19:34.59 | stew | et: that's fine, just do it in msg or in #debian-bots |
| 19:35.04 | valdyn | jhamlin: id have to read the manpage to understand what exactly that fmask / dmask do |
| 19:35.15 | mth`AndyPost | I've got a problem with installing plesk via shell on debian 4 - the error message is postet here: http://pastebin.com/m44f64fc2 - can someone help me to fix that? |
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| 19:35.26 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 19:35.26 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 19:35.39 | themill | would have hoped that dpkg would at least have had some units for G. And an up-to-date value. |
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| 19:37.52 | jhamlin | stew: I can mount as root. but then I can't read as normal user. I added "user" to the options and now when I try to mount as a normal user I get "ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!". I don't care if I have to be root to mount it, but I need to be able to read/write as a normal user... |
| 19:38.12 | stew | jhamlin: what comand are you using to mount it as root? |
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| 19:38.44 | jhamlin | stew: mount my_mount_folder |
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| 19:39.45 | stew | jhamlin: btw, is there a reason you are using smbfs instead of cifs? |
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| 19:40.00 | stew | jhamlin: can you show us the output of "mount | grep my_mount_folder" after mounting it as root? |
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| 19:40.31 | jhamlin | stew: no reason not to use cifs except that I hadn't heard of it until today... |
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| 19:41.46 | jhamlin | stew: //IP/User_Files on /home/foo/my_mount_folder type smbfs (rw) |
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| 19:43.00 | stew | jhamlin: what does "grep /home/foo/my_mount_folder /etc/fstab" return? |
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| 19:44.31 | jhamlin | stew: //IP/User\040Files /home/foo/my_mount_folder smbfs defaults,user,credentials=/root/.samba/mbmserver,dmask=0002,fmask=0003,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
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| 19:44.47 | damjan | use cifs instead of smbfs, smbfs is depreceated |
| 19:45.02 | damjan | .. cifs has better performance, unicode support, dfs, etc.. |
| 19:46.01 | stew | jhamlin: so for soem reason, its not picking up the options from fstab |
| 19:46.39 | jhamlin | stew: maybe a typo somewhere...? |
| 19:47.19 | stew | jhamlin: i don't see how there be |
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| 19:48.16 | stew | jhamlin: if there was a typo, you would have gotten an error when you ran "mount my_mount_folder" |
| 19:48.22 | stew | jhamlin: what directory were you in when you ran that command? |
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| 19:49.19 | FalscherHase | can i ask a gpg question? how can i export a public key only with my signature? |
| 19:49.23 | damjan | jhamlin: cat /proc/mounts |
| 19:49.57 | themill | jhamlin: you are umount-ing and then mounting again to test this out, aren't you? |
| 19:50.37 | stew | themill: if he wasn't, then he is not telling us the whole story, since the mountpoint would show up multiple times when he runs mount | grep my_mount_folder |
| 19:50.48 | themill | stew: indeed |
| 19:51.12 | stew | FalscherHase: what do you mean by "only with my signature"? what do you mean by signature? |
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| 19:51.58 | FalscherHase | stew: i have attended a keysigning party. i have signed other's keys and i'd like to send them their keys only with my signature and not all the others that already exist |
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| 19:54.54 | stew | FalscherHase: i'd guess you have to edit the key and remove the other signatures before you export it |
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| 19:55.03 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.15 | FalscherHase | stew: ok thanks |
| 19:55.58 | stew | FalscherHase: hmm, actually maybe use the export-local-sigs option? |
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| 19:56.59 | pickcoder | scientes: from the kernel build config menu |
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| 19:57.14 | scientes | i have the source buts its not in menuconfig |
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| 19:57.22 | FalscherHase | stew: no, i think that's for signatures that are not meant to made public |
| 19:57.35 | scientes | the one in the kernel is differnt and incompadible |
| 19:57.40 | pickcoder | then how does the project know to build it internally?? |
| 19:57.46 | pickcoder | ask #kernel |
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| 19:58.14 | pickcoder | or something similar to that |
| 19:58.27 | scientes | the one in the kernel is r8169 and this is 8168 |
| 19:58.44 | scientes | can i just drop in the .c and .h files into the drivers folder? |
| 19:58.45 | pickcoder | why does it have to be part of the kernel image? |
| 19:58.57 | scientes | idk, i just hate recompiling driver modules |
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| 19:59.18 | pickcoder | and you think porting a new driver is easier? |
| 19:59.19 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:59.22 | pickcoder | afk |
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| 20:03.00 | Sebboh | valdyn, the X process state is R. (As I'd expect, with 100% usage..) Sorry, I had a vistor here at home so I was afk. |
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| 20:06.00 | fabd | hey has someone packages of the new xbmc release for lenny? |
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| 20:06.35 | maligor | I've just been using the ubuntu packages |
| 20:06.56 | fabd | for which release? |
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| 20:07.35 | dustybin | why bother with xbmc when you have mythtv |
| 20:08.01 | fabd | dustybin: because i cannot get it work properly |
| 20:08.21 | dustybin | fabd: rtfm |
| 20:08.50 | maligor | dustybin, xbmc has sweet menu animations ;) |
| 20:08.56 | scientes | how do i fix this: http://pastebin.com/m21734690 ? |
| 20:09.01 | maligor | and the whole menusystem seems better |
| 20:09.10 | fabd | dustybin: i know how to set it up but i think it has some trouble with my tvcard(had to patch the kernel to get the card work) |
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| 20:09.18 | dustybin | maligor: so will mythtv .22 once its released |
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| 20:09.44 | dustybin | fabd: your tv card has nothing to do with xbmc or mythtv |
| 20:09.45 | fabd | maligor: so which packages do you use? |
| 20:09.47 | maligor | dustybin, yeah, so I've seen |
| 20:10.06 | maligor | xbmc doesn't support tv cards atall I think |
| 20:10.15 | dustybin | maligor: well there you go |
| 20:10.17 | maligor | hardy packages it seems, but I have sid |
| 20:10.28 | fabd | maligor: ok than i don't care |
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| 20:10.42 | maligor | Elisa is the same, sadly |
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| 20:11.05 | fabd | maligor: ah okay because i tried the hardy packeges and had bad dependencie problems under lenny... |
| 20:11.19 | fabd | well i will try to get mythv running then... |
| 20:12.03 | maligor | dustybin, have you ever run xbmc? :P |
| 20:12.24 | dustybin | i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole |
| 20:12.29 | maligor | heh, why? |
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| 20:12.34 | maligor | it's very well made |
| 20:12.44 | dustybin | maligor: because i run mythtv, no need for it, i require tv support |
| 20:12.56 | Stilgar | Halo |
| 20:13.06 | maligor | only issue it has is the ridiculous system requirements |
| 20:13.21 | gewt | ok |
| 20:13.27 | gewt | now i need to fix my network issues |
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| 20:17.07 | binrapt | Trying to run Valve Steam dedicated server binaries on my Debian box: "Failed to open bin/dedicated_i486.so (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by bin/dedicated_i486.so))" |
| 20:17.18 | binrapt | I read that glibc 2.4 isn't supported by stabe or so? |
| 20:17.44 | binrapt | I'd have to dist-upgrade my server to unstable/test something via ssh somehow? |
| 20:17.49 | gewt | why do i have 50+ms lag difference between my dbeian box and a windows box... |
| 20:17.54 | gewt | the dbeian box has more lag |
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| 20:19.44 | pickcoder | gewt: what kind of lag |
| 20:20.11 | gewt | pickcoder, 100+ms pign replies |
| 20:20.23 | gewt | comapred to 50-60 on a windows box |
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| 20:20.31 | gewt | and also clients have DNS reolution lag |
| 20:20.34 | gewt | and dig has none |
| 20:20.42 | pickcoder | are they using the same packet size? |
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| 20:21.02 | gewt | pickcoder, mhm |
| 20:21.10 | pickcoder | (I doubt it) |
| 20:21.27 | gewt | and also it's all-around being slow |
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| 20:22.09 | gewt | ping is fine... |
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| 20:22.22 | gewt | stuff liek firefox ssh (local network ssh) and site laoding is slow |
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| 20:23.40 | gewt | could it be a bug/feature ro soemthing? |
| 20:23.49 | gewt | it exists in multipel kernel evrsions btw |
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| 20:24.02 | pickcoder | are you using the same DNS source? |
| 20:24.07 | gewt | pickcoder, yes |
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| 20:24.29 | gewt | in the same roder. |
| 20:24.36 | gewt | locla network ssh connetcions even lag |
| 20:24.46 | pickcoder | could be your switch |
| 20:24.50 | pickcoder | or your nic |
| 20:25.00 | pickcoder | it's probably not the TCP stack but then again.. |
| 20:25.03 | gewt | pickcoder, it's fine on other OSes i've run no this box |
| 20:25.07 | pickcoder | even if it is a reboot would fix it |
| 20:25.30 | gewt | i've rebooted and i still have issues |
| 20:25.33 | pickcoder | gewt: are you running fdx on the switch? |
| 20:25.39 | gewt | no |
| 20:25.43 | pickcoder | half? |
| 20:25.44 | gewt | it's actaulyl a linksys router |
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| 20:25.49 | gewt | and etchhalf kernel |
| 20:25.53 | pickcoder | do you know what I mean by fdx? |
| 20:25.55 | gewt | no idea abotu the router |
| 20:26.00 | gewt | pickcoder, no |
| 20:26.06 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 20:26.07 | pickcoder | full-duplex |
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| 20:26.14 | gewt | pickcoder, not sure |
| 20:26.22 | gewt | it might be |
| 20:26.23 | pickcoder | if you cable is not perfect you can get a lot of collisions from full-duplex |
| 20:26.27 | pickcoder | s/you/your |
| 20:26.41 | fabd | dustybin: okay so i have mythtv now setup, it plays one channel, but when i want to change the channel it (the frontend) freezes, so what could i do about that? |
| 20:27.00 | pickcoder | running 1-gig on a crappy patch cable can get you problems too |
| 20:27.01 | gewt | 0 collisions |
| 20:27.06 | gewt | according to ifconfiga |
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| 20:28.03 | gewt | it's fine in OpenSOlaris...arch linux...freebsd... |
| 20:28.05 | Mikoj | i have one question i install git-core and i have problems with git config not working |
| 20:28.06 | gewt | all no the same box |
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| 20:28.10 | gewt | with the same DNS servers |
| 20:28.26 | pickcoder | install ethtool and look at the link setup |
| 20:28.36 | dustybin | fabd: speak to the people in mythtv-users |
| 20:28.54 | fabd | dustybin: okay thanks |
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| 20:29.07 | gewt | it took awhile to connect to fyp.us.dbeian.rog... |
| 20:29.28 | gewt | Duplex: Full |
| 20:29.35 | damjan | I've just installed debian 4.0 on an IBM server and it has automatically put the hardisk in a dm_multipath setup (I dunno why) |
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| 20:30.35 | cr3rzemjest | can you re-compile installed package with some additional sources? i mean, i've got MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.3.1-DFSG-free, and i have no dvd menus support; i found that MPlayer needs to be compiled with 'dvdnav' support, but when i downloaded mplayer newest version (i had some other problems before), there were some features i didnt want to change, like videos weren't scalable (even in fullscreemode video was tiny and centered) so i 'make uninstalled'(i |
| 20:30.35 | cr3rzemjest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.08 | cr3rzemjest | my question is, how do i keep all configs, settings, and compiled-in features and add 'dvdnav' support to mplayer? |
| 20:31.35 | gewt | pastie.org still hasn't laoded... |
| 20:31.39 | themill | cr3rzemjest: /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 20:31.46 | Juz_moi | going to build a new dual monitor system which videocard chipset be best as far as Sid and drivers, ATI or Nvidia, system is not for gaming! |
| 20:31.54 | gewt | ethtool output: http://pastie.org/318107 |
| 20:31.57 | xingu | gewt: if you ping your default gateway 1/ do you get any lost packets 2/ what's the rount trip time? |
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| 20:32.28 | gewt | --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- |
| 20:32.28 | gewt | 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3001ms |
| 20:32.28 | gewt | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.324/0.765/2.038/0.735 ms |
| 20:32.31 | themill | cr3rzemjest: btw you don't want to use things like make uninstall to remove a .deb, use dpkg -r or aptitude remove. Your best plan is to make a new .deb of your recompiled program using the tools in debian. |
| 20:33.11 | themill | cr3rzemjest: note also that mplayer is also on debian-multimedia.org and I normally use that package. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 20:33.33 | stew | Juz_moi: intel |
| 20:33.41 | cr3rzemjest | themill, ok |
| 20:33.50 | gewt | slow page laods...slow local network ssh connetcions...normal pign replies and quick dig dns queries |
| 20:33.58 | xingu | gewt: now try with: ping -s 1476 gw.ad.dr.es |
| 20:34.20 | Juz_moi | stew board I need to use has no onboard video |
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| 20:34.36 | stew | isn't intel making add-on cards now? |
| 20:34.45 | gewt | --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- |
| 20:34.45 | gewt | 15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0% packet loss, time 13998ms |
| 20:34.45 | gewt | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.790/0.832/0.883/0.043 ms |
| 20:34.57 | Juz_moi | Ati and Nvideo chipset cards are the only 2 options I see ,,,, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%204026%201069633099 |
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| 20:36.05 | xingu | gewt: ok that's within the bounds of normal; so the next thing is to actually measure what happens during your "slow" scp transfer; you'd do this by collecting output from "vmstat 1" as well as a tcpdump of traffic between the local and remote systems (so tcpdump host ip.ad.dr.es port 22) |
| 20:36.44 | Vorbote | stew: not until 2010 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080117-larrabee-becomes-laterbee.html |
| 20:36.44 | gewt | scp transfer is fine |
| 20:36.50 | gewt | no slowness there |
| 20:36.56 | cr3rzemjest | ACTUally i can just rewind the menu, lol. |
| 20:37.01 | cr3rzemjest | i mean move forward |
| 20:37.03 | xingu | gewt: the latter is best put into an actual capture file - tcpdump -w scp.cap host ip.ad.dr.es port 22 |
| 20:37.16 | cr3rzemjest | but when i have time i'll try to recompile |
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| 20:37.34 | xingu | gewt: scp and ssh use the same transport in roughly the same manner |
| 20:38.12 | pickcoder | maybe it's the desktop |
| 20:38.21 | maurizio | On a fresh etch install, what are the files /etc/shadow-, /etc/passwd-, /etc/group-? The debian manual only mentions /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/group, without dash. |
| 20:38.30 | pickcoder | gewt: are you running this stuff from a desktop shell? |
| 20:38.59 | gewt | pickcoder, from my desktop |
| 20:39.04 | gewt | and yes |
| 20:39.15 | gewt | and freebsd box is fine |
| 20:39.17 | pickcoder | your terminal app could be causing the problem |
| 20:39.22 | RichiH | any idea if mstone aka michael stone in on irc? |
| 20:39.37 | gewt | pickcoder, terminal apps are fine |
| 20:39.40 | pickcoder | if you login using the console or ssh to it from another machine then you can get a better gauge of the network performance |
| 20:40.09 | pickcoder | I doubt it's the network |
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| 20:40.20 | Kuifje111 | hello. |
| 20:40.24 | gewt | pickcoder, same form console |
| 20:40.38 | pickcoder | console desktop or console command login |
| 20:41.47 | gewt | console command login |
| 20:41.51 | Kuifje111 | what would you guys suggest for an IMAP daemon? |
| 20:41.55 | pickcoder | I find that tough to believe |
| 20:42.18 | pickcoder | if SCP doesn't stall then SSH shouldn't lag or studder |
| 20:42.19 | xingu | gewt: if you ssh from the box back into itself is the problem present in your test case? (nb: I'm still unclear on exactly what your test case _is_) |
| 20:42.27 | OpenTokix | Kuifje111: dovecot is pretty nice, and simple |
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| 20:42.37 | Kuifje111 | thanks, will try that one |
| 20:43.03 | Kuifje111 | any tips on a nameserver daemon? |
| 20:43.29 | pickcoder | bind? |
| 20:43.38 | OpenTokix | Kuifje111: powerdns or bind9 |
| 20:43.46 | stew | RichiH: /help whois |
| 20:43.58 | stew | :P |
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| 20:46.00 | gewt | xingu, no issues ssh'ing to 192.168.1.102 |
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| 20:47.58 | gewt | it only lags from 192.168.1.102 to 192.168.1.101 in shs |
| 20:48.05 | gewt | and sites laod slwoly |
| 20:48.10 | gewt | and dns is soemtimes slow |
| 20:48.28 | gewt | there is no alg between the 2 systems |
| 20:48.33 | gewt | little lag* |
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| 20:50.23 | RichiH | stew: he is not online under his email nick |
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| 20:50.43 | xingu | gewt: just out of interest _which_ sshd (incl. version) are you running on the debian end? |
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| 20:51.07 | stew | RichiH: ask him to update db.debian.org if he's not using mstone |
| 20:51.36 | gewt | b4@Tranquillity:~$ ssh -v |
| 20:51.36 | gewt | OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch3, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 20:52.06 | xingu | I assume this means - no issues ssh'ing back into the system from itself. |
| 20:53.02 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 20:53.06 | HardDisk_WP | i cant stop exim4... http://pastebin.com/m40a156f8 |
| 20:54.10 | pickcoder | does the /var/run/exim4/ pidfile match that process? |
| 20:54.12 | pickcoder | when it's running |
| 20:55.12 | xingu | have you tested both cases of - ssh from 192.168.1.102 to 192.168.1.102; and ssh from 192.168.1.101 to 192.168.1.101 ? |
| 20:55.19 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, it doesnt create pid file http://pastebin.com/m10443f6a |
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| 20:56.04 | cr3rzemjest | would a process be much faster if i made it less 'nice'? |
| 20:56.15 | RichiH | stew: last use on both fnd and oftc is 2+ years back |
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| 20:56.40 | xingu | (nb, client and server versions matter; opensshd had a patch added in march '06 which relates) |
| 20:56.57 | gewt | xingu, yes |
| 20:56.58 | SidGBF | What's the difference between Debian and Ubuntu? ._. by any reason I always feel better when it is debian... |
| 20:58.04 | themill | SidGBF: perhaps "/msg dpkg why debian" will provide some ideas |
| 20:58.54 | SidGBF | nah... seem more than that... |
| 20:59.07 | simNIX | Trying to use screen to educate m8 of mine - I added 2 users on my Lenny testing box. Added both users to groups tty and utmp. I start as one of those users 'screen -S PoweredBy'. Next I go to another console and become the other users and do; 'screen -x thatusername/PoweredBy'. I get error -> chmod /dev/pts/2: Operation not permitted |
| 20:59.18 | xingu | gewt: that predates the bugfix (patch to use TCP_NODELAY unconditionally at the server end) |
| 20:59.25 | simNIX | any recomends are apeciated |
| 20:59.28 | xingu | gewt: it should be included in any openssh4.4 branch |
| 20:59.36 | SidGBF | today I was working in my vps, everything going wrong... "Damn... this debian... Wait, it's Ubuntu!" and got calm XD |
| 20:59.50 | gewt | xingu, the server end is nly algging to freebsd |
| 20:59.53 | simNIX | o yes; I also set sudo bit on root |
| 20:59.54 | gewt | for shs |
| 20:59.56 | gewt | ssh* |
| 21:00.06 | gewt | and it only lags one way |
| 21:00.20 | gewt | and it's nwo just ssh |
| 21:00.23 | gewt | not* |
| 21:00.24 | xingu | gewt: this may explain the ssh client<->server issues; the internet performance issues need flow analysis (tcpdump capture) - and I'm off. |
| 21:00.27 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, any idea why exim4 fails to create the PID file? |
| 21:00.46 | gewt | xingu, every single DNS request returns ServFail according to tcpdump |
| 21:01.32 | SidGBF | Does anyone knows trac's encoding? |
| 21:01.59 | Vorbote | gewt: if you have an aDSL bridge/router combo, I'd try to upgrade the firmware, it's happened to me and the cause was corrupt firmware. |
| 21:02.12 | gewt | Vorbote, not a combo :) |
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| 21:02.31 | gewt | both run latets firmware |
| 21:02.36 | gewt | and it's only an issue with debian |
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| 21:02.39 | irc-bedehi-com31 | ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 por |
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| 21:02.39 | irc-bedehi-com99 | ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:66 |
| 21:02.40 | p4083 | ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6 |
| 21:02.44 | irc-bedehi-com31 | ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 por |
| 21:02.44 | p4083 | ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6 |
| 21:02.45 | irc-bedehi-com99 | ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:6667 channeI:bedehi it is A GOD best for chat plz TEST it now we waiting :) ---> 64.125.185.230 port:66 |
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| 21:03.20 | gewt | fail |
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| 21:04.21 | Vorbote | gewt: hmmmm...... My next test is to backport ssh 5.0p1 from unstable using pbuilder and see how that fairs (smells like a blocking bug for lenny). |
| 21:04.21 | jelly-home | what is a channei, anyway! |
| 21:04.32 | pickcoder | seeing bad spam makes me want to jump right off freenode and connect immediately |
| 21:04.40 | gewt | and tcpdump shows ServFail on literally everything |
| 21:04.42 | thechef | I want to inject a jar file with my own class files at startup. How would I do that? |
| 21:04.45 | amphi | a GOD, it would seem |
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| 21:05.02 | thechef | wrong channel.. |
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| 21:07.19 | gewt | xingu, only establishing a connetcion lags |
| 21:07.25 | gewt | and only on debian |
| 21:07.33 | gewt | desides that NOTHING lags |
| 21:07.43 | gewt | except for speedtest.net ping replies |
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| 21:18.01 | proberts_ | is there a way to stress test hard drives? |
| 21:18.09 | gewt | brb |
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| 21:20.25 | jelly-home | thinks reverse dns lookup on sshd side |
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| 21:22.51 | smacnay | Hi, when I boot, I see a message stating that /etc/modules.conf does not contain modprobe.d. Should there be a simlink in /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 21:26.14 | subsume | Where is debian's mysql log if not /var/log/mysql* ? |
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| 21:26.29 | subsume | those are empty yet MySQLd fails to start |
| 21:27.03 | stew | subsume: try running "mysqld" as root from a shell and see what errors you get |
| 21:27.39 | stew | subsume: the log goes wherever it is defined in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 21:29.15 | blizzow | proberts_: look into bonnie++ |
| 21:29.38 | blizzow | That should be able to take your hard drives for a spin. |
| 21:30.07 | binrapt | Hmm is performing a dist upgrade via ssh complicated? |
| 21:30.18 | binrapt | Does it require reboots? :[ |
| 21:30.22 | stew | binrapt: its no different |
| 21:30.32 | stew | binrapt: it requires a reboot if you are switching kernels |
| 21:30.36 | binrapt | I'm afraid of breaking access to my DS |
| 21:30.36 | proberts_ | blizz: will it run on all disks? |
| 21:30.42 | binrapt | Nah I intend to keep the current kernel I think |
| 21:30.50 | binrapt | I just need to run glibc 2.4 apparently |
| 21:30.57 | binrapt | Which does not work with stable Debian or so? |
| 21:31.27 | binrapt | Or does that also include a kernel update? I am so clueless |
| 21:31.48 | blizzow | proberts_: it should run on any disk that's installed in your /dev/ |
| 21:31.55 | stew | binrapt: the current stable has 2.3, testing has 2.7, it would be an upgrade to probably every package on your machine, and yes, it would be a kernel upgrade too |
| 21:32.00 | stew | binrapt: /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 21:32.26 | binrapt | Man I'm terribly afraid of breaking something |
| 21:32.58 | stew | binrapt: the upgrade is known to break for some people, following the release notes will eliminate some problems but not all |
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| 21:33.14 | binrapt | Argh sounds too risky, I don't have physical access to the server |
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| 21:33.35 | KlrSpz | does debian use synaptic? #ubuntu is proving useless |
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| 21:33.58 | stew | KlrSpz: synaptic is one of many options for managing packages in debian |
| 21:34.20 | blizzow | KlrSpz: yes synaptic is installed by default in a desktop installation of Debian. |
| 21:34.28 | KlrSpz | stew: right, the question probably should have been more if can i get support for it here |
| 21:34.29 | blizzow | (I think) |
| 21:34.42 | KlrSpz | i'm tryin to get synaptic to stop upgrading a package i've custom installed, but i've forced a version and locked it, and it always wants to upgrade.. .what gives? |
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| 21:34.46 | stew | KlrSpz: you can get support for debian here, you should not seek support for ubuntu here |
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| 21:35.21 | stew | KlrSpz: if you are having trouble getting help from #ubuntu, try a ubuntu web forum or mailing list |
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| 21:35.24 | larcen_ | hi all |
| 21:35.31 | quiet | isn't there a curses style menu, similar to tasksel for choose which desktop to install? I.E. - xfce? Not that it's that difficult to aptitude install xfce and such, but I just thought it existed. |
| 21:35.44 | KlrSpz | stew: heh, too slow of a response for me |
| 21:36.22 | KlrSpz | the thing is i can tell aptitude to hold it, and that works, but the auto-updater wants to still install it |
| 21:36.36 | stew | KlrSpz: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:36.44 | KlrSpz | i did... no answers |
| 21:36.48 | stew | KlrSpz: sorry |
| 21:37.05 | KlrSpz | tht's why i was asking if there's synaptic support in here since that's what the issue is |
| 21:37.17 | stew | KlrSpz: ubuntu if off-topic here. sorry |
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| 21:37.56 | JyZyXEL | so lets say you wanna modify something from a package |
| 21:38.00 | JyZyXEL | what do you do? |
| 21:38.43 | JyZyXEL | i found i bug in the libwnck-2.22.3 and i wanna use the fixed version |
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| 21:38.50 | stew | JyZyXEL: apt-get build-dep packagename ; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot ; apt-get source packagename, cd to the pacakge, make the change, use dch to increment the version number, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 21:39.05 | simon1245 | Hi all i need help to install my Sound driver |
| 21:39.09 | simon1245 | How should i do that? |
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| 21:39.23 | blizzow | KlrSpz: I think this is more a synaptic issue, not an ubuntu issue. |
| 21:39.25 | stew | simon1245: what sound card do you ahve? what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:39.30 | KlrSpz | stew: i don't disagree, but i believe it to be parallel with debian as well, considering it's an application you can install in debian |
| 21:39.33 | KlrSpz | blizzow: agreed |
| 21:39.38 | blizzow | You may want to leave, change your nick, come back and ask about synaptic ;) |
| 21:39.42 | KlrSpz | lol |
| 21:39.43 | simon1245 | It's debian net install |
| 21:39.43 | KlrSpz | nooo |
| 21:39.47 | blizzow | you might get some dingleberries off your case. |
| 21:39.48 | stew | blizzow: feel free to help him in #ubuntu |
| 21:39.49 | simon1245 | and how to look up the sound card? |
| 21:39.58 | stew | blizzow: what? |
| 21:39.58 | blizzow | stew feel free to not be a dick. |
| 21:39.59 | quiet | simon1245: lspci |
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| 21:40.10 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 21:40.12 | KlrSpz | blizzow: haaaahha... well... at this rate i'll go back to playing around, i'll never get it to work |
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| 21:40.27 | stew | blizzow: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it constructive and on-topic in the future |
| 21:40.39 | KlrSpz | bbiab though |
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| 21:40.52 | simon1245 | Where is the soundcard there? |
| 21:40.55 | simon1245 | I can't find it |
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| 21:41.14 | simon1245 | Here i found it |
| 21:41.20 | simon1245 | This is there: Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) |
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| 21:41.29 | stew | simon1245: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:41.36 | simon1245 | I will look |
| 21:41.49 | simon1245 | 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 21:42.06 | simon1245 | Is that the version? |
| 21:42.22 | stew | simon1245: yeah, have you run alsaconf? |
| 21:42.28 | stew | simon1245: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 21:42.39 | quiet | simon1245: aptitude install alsa alsa-utils alsa-tools |
| 21:42.48 | JyZyXEL | stew can i send my patch somewhere? |
| 21:43.01 | stew | JyZyXEL: is there a bug filed about whatever this patch fixes? |
| 21:43.05 | simon1245 | Downloaded |
| 21:43.10 | JyZyXEL | stew no |
| 21:43.24 | quiet | simon1245: alsaconf doesn't load the driver? |
| 21:43.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: this is a bug that exists in a package currently in debian? |
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| 21:44.24 | simon1245 | Quiet: what' |
| 21:44.29 | vYRehzFQW | hi all, I have go back over a old boxes running Sarge, tried apt-get update and saw the sarge repositories gone! how can I fix my problem, so I neither can update nor dist-upgrade to Etch |
| 21:44.33 | jhamlin | stew: thanks for the help with samba earlier. I removed the "dmask=0002,fmask=0003" from my fstab and then things seemed to work. The root of my earlier problems was that I didn't have a "user" item the fstab options as you suggested. Anyway, thanks! |
| 21:44.47 | stew | jhamlin: cool, glad you got it working |
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| 21:45.07 | stew | vYRehzFQW: sarge was moved to archive.debian.org ; note that it is no longer supported, and so you should be upgraded to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 21:45.27 | quiet | simon1245: run alsaconf what happens? |
| 21:45.44 | simon1245 | I came somewhere |
| 21:45.51 | vYRehzFQW | stew thanks |
| 21:45.56 | JyZyXEL | stew indeed it is |
| 21:46.00 | quiet | lol... whaa? |
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| 21:47.07 | JyZyXEL | whats that dhc thingy? |
| 21:47.22 | JyZyXEL | use dch to increment the version number, |
| 21:47.47 | stew | JyZyXEL: use reportbug to report it. attach the patch as an attachment to the email, when you run reportbug it will give you a chance to add the "patch" tag to the bug you are reporting |
| 21:48.27 | JyZyXEL | well yea but care to explain what you mean by dhc? |
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| 21:48.36 | JyZyXEL | even google didn't know |
| 21:48.47 | cwheeler | Hi which versions of debian will work on a machine with a new SATA controller? |
| 21:49.01 | stew | JyZyXEL: dch is in devscripts, it will make it easier to edit debian/changelog, i'd recommend using "dch --nmu" so that your version number will be higher than the one you are editing but lower than the next version debian releases |
| 21:49.04 | cwheeler | etch doesn't recognize it |
| 21:49.15 | stew | cwheeler: have you tried etchnhalf? /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 21:49.28 | JyZyXEL | sudo apt-get install dhc doesn't excactly work so great |
| 21:49.37 | JyZyXEL | oh in devscripts |
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| 21:50.12 | JyZyXEL | i still don't have /usr/bin/dhc |
| 21:50.12 | jogla | is irritated |
| 21:50.14 | cwheeler | stew no, is it on the debian website? |
| 21:50.16 | jogla | http://rafb.net/p/Og29X121.html |
| 21:50.22 | jogla | Y oder n? |
| 21:50.26 | stew | dpkg: tell cwheeler about etchnhalf |
| 21:50.26 | JyZyXEL | ill just skip this part |
| 21:50.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: its dch |
| 21:50.50 | JyZyXEL | how nice |
| 21:50.52 | jogla | i want to keep my xserver, but i'm not sure if i maybe have two installed or something like that |
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| 21:51.14 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 21:51.49 | jogla | nobody? |
| 21:51.53 | alexei | hi, I am trying to build qt4 with custom patches. is there a way to restart dpkg-buildpackage if that was terminated at compile step? |
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| 21:53.29 | mac_ | How do I find my kernel version through command line? |
| 21:53.32 | JyZyXEL | could you somehow see how much the packages you have installed are taking space? |
| 21:53.36 | jogla | why does it want to remove my xserver? |
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| 21:54.08 | alexei | mac_: uname -a |
| 21:54.30 | Dantix | stew: I'm the same with the sarge update problem, now apt-get update gives me the following: Failed to fetch http://archive.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/mail/binary-i386/Packages,gz 404 Not Found |
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| 21:55.28 | kunwon1 | jogla, because it was automatically installed as a dependency for something, and you've removed that something. You need to mark xserver-xorg as manually installed, seems the xorg metapackage might not be there.. what happens if you do sudo aptitude install xorg? |
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| 21:56.29 | jogla | The following NEW packages will be installed: xfonts-100dpi{a} xfonts-scalable{a} xorg xorg-docs{a} |
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| 21:56.39 | Laeborg | hi |
| 21:56.43 | kunwon1 | jogla, that seems sensible, go ahead and installt hose |
| 21:56.46 | kunwon1 | those* |
| 21:56.51 | stew | Dantix: "sarge/updates" is for security updates, so you can forget that |
| 21:56.57 | Laeborg | i need a easy newz reader |
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| 21:57.15 | Laeborg | thinking about nbz client |
| 21:57.24 | Laeborg | *nzb |
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| 21:57.46 | cwheeler | which libc does etch and a half use, same as etch? |
| 21:57.53 | stew | cwheeler: yes |
| 21:58.13 | kunwon1 | jogla, then do an update, and try your installation of jde again |
| 21:58.13 | Giraph | is there a way to see either, a history of commands for all users, or a time chart thing that shows when people logged in? |
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| 21:58.58 | jogla | kunwon1: Thank you |
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| 21:59.03 | kunwon1 | jogla, np |
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| 22:01.27 | Dantix | stew sorry but I stuck with this, now gave the same error with main instead of updates on the url |
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| 22:02.14 | Nethox | Giraph: try gnu accounting utilities, package acct |
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| 22:02.55 | Giraph | okay ill look into it, thanks |
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| 22:05.08 | Dantix | stew: thanks, was my fault, I've omited to write a "sarge" into url, thanks |
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| 22:08.34 | scgtrp | my server is refusing to lookup any names in dns, ping just says 'unknown host' |
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| 22:10.25 | stew | Dantix: note that since sarge is no longer getting security updates, you really should consider upgrading it to etch asap |
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| 22:10.43 | keith4_ | when does cron.hourly run? |
| 22:10.52 | stew | keith4_: check /etc/crontab |
| 22:11.03 | dustybin | sarge is a bit like using windows 98 |
| 22:11.12 | keith4_ | k thanks. 17 minutes past the hour, apparently. |
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| 22:16.15 | Daejeo | how can I remove bind dns server from ssh? what command should i issue as root |
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| 22:17.43 | stew | Daejeo: aptitude remove bind bind9 |
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| 22:25.06 | jpinx | somehow there is stuff in my wastebasket which I don't have permission to remove. I need to do it as root, but where is that folder in the system? |
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| 22:29.21 | jelly-home | jpinx: there's a ~/.Trash/ on a machine I might have run Gnome once. I could be KDE's too |
| 22:29.24 | jelly-home | it* |
| 22:30.24 | jpinx | jelly-home: I look3ed for that |
| 22:30.27 | jpinx | no luck |
| 22:30.37 | Nethox | jpinx: and .local/share/Trash ? |
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| 22:32.21 | jpinx | thanks guys -- it's in ~/.local/share/Trash/files |
| 22:32.38 | jpinx | no idea why they hide it so well.....:-| |
| 22:33.07 | Nethox | jpinx: it's the "FreeDesktop.org Trash Specification". I use trash-cli for trash management |
| 22:33.36 | jpinx | resolves to stick to the cl ;) |
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| 22:41.16 | Firefishe | I've got an Asus G50V-X1 laptop on which I want to intstall debian. The install goes fine, until it gets to the DVD verification part. I'm getting a DVD not found error. |
| 22:41.54 | Firefishe | I also have the same problem with another distro. This matter seems to be a problem with the DVD driver. |
| 22:44.07 | stew | Firefishe: what version of debian are you installing? |
| 22:44.52 | Firefishe | Etch |
| 22:45.17 | Firefishe | 4.0r3 from DVD |
| 22:46.18 | stew | Firefishe: you might try etchnhalf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 22:46.37 | Firefishe | k |
| 22:47.09 | dustybin | anyone know of a open soure web admin panel, a bit like cpanel, plesk, webmin ? |
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| 22:47.47 | DVSoftware | dustybin: ispcp |
| 22:48.08 | dustybin | DVSoftware: thats the bugger http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
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| 22:48.23 | DVSoftware | nope |
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| 22:48.54 | DVSoftware | http://isp-control.net/ |
| 22:48.59 | anddam | hello |
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| 22:49.14 | hmann | A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[Accc |
| 22:49.20 | dustybin | DVSoftware: bloody heck never heard of that |
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| 22:49.37 | DVSoftware | try it, i use it on several servers |
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| 22:53.47 | linkslice | is there a cvsweb for debian? wanting to look at the source for whois client |
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| 22:55.26 | mmInd3 | What's the command to create an md5sum "control" file when creating a debian package? |
| 22:56.12 | Vorbote | mmInd3: dh_md5sums |
| 22:58.00 | jpinx | in /etc/fstab what's the syntax for mounting a filesystem in a file on my USB device? |
| 22:58.02 | themill | linkslice: apt-get source whois |
| 22:58.35 | mmInd3 | looks like in debhelper? Is that the "standard" tool to use? Thanks Vorbote I'll give that one a try. |
| 22:59.29 | mmInd3 | jpinx: see if anything on wikipedia might help: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab |
| 22:59.42 | jpinx | mmInd3: ok thanks |
| 22:59.51 | mmInd3 | jpinx: it depends on the type and how you want to use it |
| 23:00.22 | Firefishe | stew: I'm d/l the businesscard .iso. That should provide a good starting point. Might also help that it's a normal cd. Dvd's can be so tricky at times. |
| 23:00.52 | jpinx | yea - I have several filesystems in files on a VFAT usb device, but can't get them to mount with fstab - only manually |
| 23:00.52 | Firefishe | stew: There should be a point at which the installer asks for other media, correct? |
| 23:02.12 | stew | Firefishe: the businesscard cd assumes that you are going to install everything over the net |
| 23:02.24 | stew | iirc |
| 23:02.25 | Stilgar^ | jpinx: I take it the loop option is specified on fstab as well? |
| 23:02.41 | jpinx | Stilgar^: yes |
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| 23:03.02 | Stilgar^ | what does mount say when you try mounting? |
| 23:03.22 | jpinx | Stilgar^: wrong fs, etc |
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| 23:03.55 | jpinx | Stilgar^: it's got loop,rw,user as the options at the moment |
| 23:04.07 | jelly-home | jpinx: does any other -o loop mount work in fstab for you? |
| 23:04.23 | Stilgar^ | and are you specifying fs type explicitly? |
| 23:04.42 | jpinx | jelly-home: I haven't tried any other loop device in fstab |
| 23:04.57 | jpinx | Stilgar^: it's set at auto at the moment |
| 23:05.11 | Stilgar^ | then try to set it to the appropriate fs type |
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| 23:06.02 | jpinx | Stilgar^: I did that - nogood |
| 23:06.11 | jelly-home | paste the actual fstab line? |
| 23:06.27 | jpinx | Stilgar^: there's more than one loop device - do they need to be numbered? |
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| 23:06.39 | Stilgar^ | jpinx: I don't think so but I don't know. |
| 23:06.42 | yak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.49 | yak | nope |
| 23:07.25 | jpinx | This mounts the USB device successfully /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat rw,user,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 23:07.42 | Firefishe | bbl |
| 23:07.44 | Firefishe | install time |
| 23:07.58 | Firefishe | oh wait, I need to stay here...*bonk* |
| 23:08.02 | xtr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.07 | jpinx | This tries to mount the 2nd file /mnt/sda1/3Gb.File002.img /mnt/sda1.002 ext3 loop,rw,user 0 0 |
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| 23:08.44 | xtr | debian etch 4.0 r5 |
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| 23:09.13 | xtr | as root I did chmod -R a+rw /mnt/STOR and is just replies read only for every file it processed |
| 23:09.18 | valdyn | xtr: how are we supposed to know what your 2nd and 3rd mountpoint directory is ? |
| 23:09.36 | xtr | its right there now |
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| 23:10.07 | xtr | STOR, XP3, and USB I forgot about USB |
| 23:10.10 | jpinx | xtr what kind of device is it? |
| 23:10.18 | valdyn | xtr: that means that its ro beyond unix permissions, so either mounted ro or writeprotected at the device, or falsely identified as write protected at the device |
| 23:10.43 | xtr | okay |
| 23:10.51 | valdyn | xtr: you can try replugging a few times, one bug where its falsely ided as ro can be worked around that way, check dmesg |
| 23:10.53 | xtr | so how can I make that change |
| 23:10.56 | jpinx | if it's a USB it might be vfat or ntfs and being mounted ro |
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| 23:11.16 | valdyn | xtr: make change? before you even determined why its ro? |
| 23:11.30 | xtr | okay STOR and XP3 are ntfs |
| 23:11.38 | jpinx | xtr, find out what's wrong first |
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| 23:11.51 | valdyn | xtr: ntfs is ro then |
| 23:11.55 | jpinx | xtr what are you using to mount your ntfs? |
| 23:12.19 | jpinx | xtr you need ntfs-3g to mount ntfs rw |
| 23:12.23 | xtr | what is wrong is I can't get to my other hard drives even though I placed them in Fstab and with a mount point named as above |
| 23:12.44 | jelly-home | jpinx: this used to work for me a long time ago: /d/polaris/polaris.iso/mnt/polarisiso9660defaults,ro,loop 00 |
| 23:12.51 | jpinx | xtr can you mount them manually? |
| 23:13.21 | jpinx | jelly-home: heh - you use iso9660 ? |
| 23:13.44 | jelly-home | jpinx: lots of cdrom images do. |
| 23:14.16 | xtr | when mounting them manually it say they are already mounted, when I try to access them it says unable to mount them |
| 23:14.32 | jpinx | jelly-home: that didn't work :( |
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| 23:14.48 | xtr | ntfs-g said it was an old and did not accept the command |
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| 23:15.03 | xtr | mode whatever |
| 23:15.04 | jpinx | xtr: you need to use ntfs-3g |
| 23:15.21 | xtr | i mean that |
| 23:15.23 | xtr | ntfs-3g |
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| 23:15.29 | jpinx | xtr: you might need to install it |
| 23:15.38 | jelly-home | xtr: exact and complete error messages are useful |
| 23:16.00 | jelly-home | exact command lines that caused them, too |
| 23:16.15 | xtr | copyI will go through the process again, is there a dbg file I can write to - what is command for it? |
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| 23:17.02 | xtr | debug file |
| 23:17.02 | jelly-home | hm. you can use script to make a log, then exit that shell and pastebin the log file |
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| 23:18.32 | xtr | okay I give it whirl - one other thing that may or may not be value is that sometimes my drives show up and sometimes they dont - this is whuy i went to Fstab etc |
| 23:19.03 | xtr | let me re-process |
| 23:19.17 | jpinx | jelly-home: I've removed all options apart from loop and I've left the type as iso9660, but no luck. any more ideas? |
| 23:19.40 | jelly-home | jpinx: uhh... don't use iso9660 if your filesystem isn't one! |
| 23:20.19 | jelly-home | jpinx: I was thinking more of adding the "defaults," bit |
| 23:20.47 | kunwon1 | can anyone recommend a gui frontend to ffmpeg, I want to convert quicktime to other formats |
| 23:20.47 | jelly-home | jpinx: also, what does "file /mnt/sda1/3Gb.File002.img" say? |
| 23:20.57 | jpinx | jelly-home: I've gone back to ext3 and it still doesn't mount from fstab, but it does mount manually |
| 23:22.17 | jelly-home | jpinx: do you have any other loopback devices already in use? |
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| 23:22.59 | jpinx | hmmm - -file -s the device gives me different outputs - some say dat and other say ext3 with errors (needs journal rec0very) |
| 23:23.46 | victamower | I'd like to migrate from Ubuntu Hardy -> Lenny, all my partitions are setup using LVM, will the installer be able to install to these partitions (so I don't lose /home in particular), or do I have to recreate them? |
| 23:23.48 | oOarthurOo | Hi, I've got a dual-boot system right now and I'm thinking about changing over to a pure debian system. I'm going to create an image of my existing xp install, in case I need to run it later in virtualbox or vmware, but my real concern is my existing Lenny install. You see, the reason I want to switch over is to run a fully-encrypted system. I'm going to back up my /home to a network share. |
| 23:23.55 | jelly-home | jpinx: "data"? |
| 23:24.15 | jpinx | jelly-home: on one of them - yes |
| 23:24.16 | jelly-home | jelly-home: and I didn't ask about the device, but a file |
| 23:24.59 | oOarthurOo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.53 | oOarthurOo | I think this is what I have to do, but it seems a bit daunting. |
| 23:25.53 | jelly-home | jpinx: if file cannot recognize an ext2/ext3fs, chances are mount is not going to, either |
| 23:25.57 | kunwon1 | ah, I found winff is in sid, cool |
| 23:26.33 | jpinx | jelly-home: yea - that's what I'm thinking |
| 23:26.46 | jpinx | I'll re-do mk2fs on those files |
| 23:27.08 | jelly-home | jpinx: ah, you don't care about any data on it? |
| 23:27.24 | jpinx | jelly-home: no - they are newly created |
| 23:27.29 | jelly-home | well then |
| 23:28.09 | jpinx | jelly-home: it's a way to use a dodgy USB stick ;) |
| 23:28.55 | jpinx | I'll do some more mk2fs and try again -- thanks jelly-home |
| 23:29.20 | jelly-home | some use LVM... others use files on vfat as partitions |
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| 23:30.05 | jelly-home | jpinx: make sure you don't hit the number of loopback devices limit (default is 8) |
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| 23:30.24 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 23:30.36 | infinity1 | yo |
| 23:30.43 | Resilience | I woullike |
| 23:31.02 | Resilience | to know if it is possible to run debina in the dell netbook... |
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| 23:31.08 | jpinx | jelly-home: thanks - I'll stay at 8 then |
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| 23:31.42 | amphi | !tell Resilience -about laptop |
| 23:32.19 | jelly-home | eh, netbooks are a specific subset of laptops |
| 23:33.32 | Resilience | jelly-home, ys and? |
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| 23:37.07 | amphi | jelly-home: one of those sites may have info on his model |
| 23:37.26 | jelly-home | and there might be more useful resources near http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
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| 23:39.56 | Resilience | j |
| 23:39.57 | Resilience | e |
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| 23:40.19 | Resilience | sorry guys |
| 23:40.22 | Resilience | broken leyboard |
| 23:41.19 | Resilience | jelly-home, but the dell netbook is neither eeepc nor acer one... |
| 23:41.44 | amphi | Resilience: it may well have much hardware in common though |
| 23:41.47 | jelly-home | that's why I weaseled out with "near" |
| 23:42.19 | Resilience | I know it |
| 23:42.42 | themill | dpkg: netbook is <reply> Netbooks are small energy efficient laptops, some of which are sold with linux preinstalled. Sites dedicates to linux on laptops can be of help (ask me about <laptops>), or see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 23:42.42 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 23:42.45 | Resilience | but i through y question |
| 23:42.45 | Resilience | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.52 | Resilience | if soeone had yet the dell' sone |
| 23:43.21 | jelly-home | if its keyboard is this crappy, I won't get one! |
| 23:43.43 | Resilience | jelly-home, this is my old keyboard |
| 23:43.55 | Resilience | spacebar broken, and sometimes it shoots enters ;D |
| 23:45.40 | amphi | heh |
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| 23:46.09 | amphi | Resilience: what specifically do you fear won't work/ |
| 23:46.10 | amphi | ? |
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| 23:46.24 | Resilience | Resiienc |
| 23:46.30 | Resilience | argh |
| 23:46.36 | Resilience | amphi, my keyboard (just kidding) |
| 23:46.48 | Resilience | a |
| 23:46.50 | charzero | I haven't set up encrypted partitions in a few years. Is loop-aes still considered secure? (issues with memory readable after a cold boot nonwithstanding) |
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| 23:47.54 | Resilience | amphi a few hours ago, I was checking the dell netbook, and I thoguht it was wonderfull 8the better of the eee, one and dell), I'm afraid tht I cannot install debian on |
| 23:48.03 | Resilience | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:48.15 | amphi | why not try? |
| 23:48.33 | jelly-home | Resilience: you can almost certainly install debian on it, but we can't know how painful it's going to be |
| 23:48.57 | Resilience | amphi, because it is 300 euros, and if it does not work, it is 300 euros + 369 euros for an eeepc ;D |
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| 23:49.11 | victamower | can the Debian installer preserve an existing /home partition? |
| 23:49.19 | Elite | where are the debain system logs stored by default? |
| 23:49.38 | amphi | Resilience: you can't back up an hd image? |
| 23:49.43 | zamuro | !debain |
| 23:49.44 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:50.06 | Resilience | amphi, 1) I don't know 2) I want/need a debian netbook (for work) |
| 23:50.26 | oOarthurOo | I'm reading and following a how-to compile a kernel the debian way, for etch,over on the howtoforge. At one point they say "Then we unpack the kernel sources and create a symlink linux to the kernel sources directory:" I've seen other guides that don't both creating the symlink... can someone explain why it is being done? |
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| 23:50.36 | amphi | Resilience: you don't have such a machine yet? |
| 23:50.59 | Resilience | amphi, no :( |
| 23:51.06 | amphi | Resilience: what model is this dell? |
| 23:51.21 | Elite | zamuro, sorry one typo I do it all the time |
| 23:51.21 | amphi | mini 9? |
| 23:51.32 | jelly-home | Resilience: does googling for debian model-name return anything? |
| 23:51.35 | Resilience | amphi, dell netbook |
| 23:51.52 | amphi | Resilience: I'm somewhat interested, as I want to get something like this for my niece |
| 23:52.05 | Resilience | jelly-home, I'm having problems right now with firefox, so I have to postpone the googlin |
| 23:52.07 | amphi | Resilience: that's all it's called> |
| 23:52.10 | amphi | ? |
| 23:52.32 | Resilience | amphi not sure, I will google in |
| 23:52.33 | Resilience | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.12 | amphi | Resilience: this thing? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/06/dell_releases_ubuntu_scc/ |
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| 23:54.09 | Resilience | amphi, checkng it |
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| 23:55.16 | jelly-home | and it has a working ubuntu already? |
| 23:55.49 | cwheeler | when I install lenny I get etch stuff, what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:56.38 | themill | cwheeler: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us? |
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| 23:57.15 | mth`AndyPost | someone in here? |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | no |
| 23:57.31 | htmlol | nope |
| 23:57.33 | themill | no-one. Just 865 bots |
| 23:57.43 | victamower | !debnia |
| 23:57.47 | erflynn | your mom is in here |
| 23:57.56 | mth`AndyPost | k - ;-) |
| 23:58.02 | erflynn | :) |
| 23:58.04 | mth`AndyPost | I need some help.... |
| 23:58.18 | cwheeler | themill yes what's the url |
| 23:58.27 | mth`AndyPost | II want to install plesk on debian 4 |
| 23:58.28 | themill | dpkg: tell cwheeler about paste |
| 23:58.40 | mth`AndyPost | I get an error: |
| 23:58.40 | mth`AndyPost | http://pastebin.com/m44f64fc2 |
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