| 00:00.16 | themill | Tetracomm: probably. You will have to backport libmtp7 as well as gnomad. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:00.26 | IamSOG | abrotman ya, but I can't get it working in 4.0 .... um... I guess that won't work then ... |
| 00:00.44 | Tetracomm | themill: I saw a libmtp7 download, but not for Etch. How do I do that? |
| 00:01.03 | themill | Tetracomm: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 00:01.12 | abrotman | IamSOG: i'm just saying that the page probably won't be much help |
| 00:01.15 | IamSOG | actauly, my laptop is the same series.. um... |
| 00:01.29 | IamSOG | slower CPU, lower resolution |
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| 00:03.17 | abrotman | IamSOG: did you check the linux-laptop.net site? |
| 00:03.41 | IamSOG | yes abrotman I did... but it doesn't actaully tell me what I need to do |
| 00:04.34 | IamSOG | http://www.celifornia.com/documents/sonyvaio.html#Camera I have this model, but somehow I can only see half of the page |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | IamSOG: so which things don't work ? |
| 00:06.27 | IamSOG | the camrea, the bluetooth, and the manual CPU speed settings |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | IamSOG: have you installed the acpi and acpid ? |
| 00:08.13 | IamSOG | yes, I have |
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| 00:09.05 | IamSOG | have acpi, acpid and the crusoe transmeta thign isntalled, I even have menuconfig and selected the CPU |
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| 00:10.35 | Tetracomm | themill: Can you help me to figure out why gnomad won't work? |
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| 00:11.12 | themill | no, I don't have an mtp device to try it with and it's 1am and I'm heading off to bed. |
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| 00:11.46 | spldart | I just installed lenny again to see how the development goes and everything is working pretty good except my audio... When I play an mpeg or avi file in totem I'm only hearing the surround tracks in my 2.1 speakers... voices and other sounds in center of attention are missing. Any ideas? |
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| 00:23.45 | Akuw | i am confused |
| 00:23.56 | Akuw | i am using bcrypt |
| 00:24.24 | Akuw | and manual says that it support between 8 and 56 characters |
| 00:24.44 | Tetracomm | Ok, one of the dependencies for gnomad is not installed and I can't find it, it is perlxml, help? |
| 00:24.48 | Akuw | but i am making a test, and i am using 70 characters, and got no errors |
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| 00:24.52 | Akuw | why? |
| 00:25.13 | peterS | Akuw: I have no idea, I don't use bcrypt. perhaps it accepts, but ignores, additional characters? |
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| 00:26.01 | Akuw | hummm |
| 00:26.17 | peterS | that is what the Unix passwd utility always did, when it had a limit of 8 characters. you could type as long of a password as you wanted, but only the first 8 chars were used |
| 00:26.19 | Akuw | if i use less than 8 i get error |
| 00:26.32 | Akuw | ok |
| 00:26.51 | Akuw | what algoritm of encryption is good this days |
| 00:27.03 | Akuw | i read blowfish |
| 00:27.28 | peterS | according the US Government, AES is a good block cipher for whatever key length you want |
| 00:28.57 | Tramp | Akuw: blowfish is the predecessor of twofish (which was an AES finalist). So I'd prefer twofish over blowfish |
| 00:29.14 | Akuw | hummm |
| 00:29.14 | peterS | I'm comfortable with all the algorithms available in openssh protocol 2: aes, 3des, blowfish, cast128, rc4, with their various key lengths and block cipher modes |
| 00:29.40 | peterS | of these, rc4 is the fastest, 3des is the slowest, but they are all fairly well trusted |
| 00:29.53 | Akuw | ok |
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| 00:30.12 | Akuw | any tool to use twofish? |
| 00:30.23 | peterS | 'openssl' can encode and decode any of these |
| 00:30.25 | Dionix | how can i tell what all a package installed |
| 00:30.29 | peterS | Dionix: dpkg -l |
| 00:30.43 | peterS | Dionix: or if you want the contents of a specific package, dpkg -L packagename |
| 00:30.48 | Akuw | i mean, to encrypt my files |
| 00:30.57 | Dionix | ah yes the second |
| 00:31.21 | peterS | Akuw: openssl can encrypt or decrypt a data stream. it doesn't rewrite a file automatically, you have to use your OS commands to do that |
| 00:31.43 | Tramp | Akuw: http://www.schneier.com/twofish-products.html - maybe you find somthing in this list |
| 00:31.49 | simonrvn | hey peterS |
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| 00:31.57 | peterS | hey |
| 00:32.35 | simonrvn | how's life treatin' ya? |
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| 00:33.28 | peterS | same as ever. pretty good. and you, simonrvn? |
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| 00:33.50 | nxmehta | is there a difference between dpkg-reconfigure and dpkg --configure ? |
| 00:34.00 | simonrvn | pretty good |
| 00:34.13 | simonrvn | yes there is a difference |
| 00:34.41 | peterS | nxmehta: functionally they run the same scripts, but dpkg --configure has the goal of changing the package state in the local dpkg state database |
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| 00:34.56 | simonrvn | door #1 calls debconf and the other finishes the installation of the package |
| 00:35.05 | peterS | nxmehta: thus dpkg --configure only runs once, after that it says "oh this is already configured so I can skip it" |
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| 00:35.26 | nxmehta | ah, thanks |
| 00:35.42 | peterS | nxmehta: also, a package can "telL" whether it is being configured or reconfigured, so it _can_ do something different if it wants. most packages don't bother to notice. |
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| 00:36.25 | abrotman | is that what the 're' means in reconfigure? |
| 00:37.06 | simonrvn | no, it means "hi, i'm back" :P |
| 00:37.27 | peterS | actually it is short for abreotman |
| 00:37.48 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 00:39.33 | raekism_ | I am using Lenny and when I chose the command dselect nothing happens.....is that a seperate install? |
| 00:39.37 | torr | why does mutt want me to install exim? |
| 00:39.48 | kjs | uhm, right.. Iv just noticed... that my /srv is filling up... and I have a massive /home dir. I can cp -avr /srv to /home/ then move or rename the /srv dir (as a backup for now incase this symlinking idea fouls up) and symlink it to /home/srv ? and all should be good... right ? |
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| 00:40.08 | torr | I have don't want exim! |
| 00:41.41 | simonrvn | torr: one chan at a time plskthx |
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| 00:43.32 | JesseL6272 | Paying $75 for someone to turn my table layout into an XHTML Strict Layout. PM me. |
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| 00:44.05 | Sling | JesseL6272 : wrong channel |
| 00:44.06 | zinx | JesseL6272: you've been told multiple times that that's off-topic here, and even been supplied some alternatives (craigslist, rentacoder, perhaps others) |
| 00:44.11 | simonrvn | !ops JesseL6272 spamming job offers |
| 00:44.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: JesseL6272 spamming job offers |
| 00:44.15 | zinx | JesseL6272: please take that somewhere else. |
| 00:44.21 | draeath | Whats the 'best' way to install testing, assuming that I don't currently have any media and I'm on a foreign distro? |
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| 00:45.06 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 00:45.10 | peterS | draeath: see the downloadable images at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:45.40 | garotosopa | Is it possible that files in a given directory to automagically get a specified permission and group owner? Say ~/public_html/* getting group www-data and mod 0640. That'd be particular useful since my umask is 0077. |
| 00:45.43 | zinx | draeath: best.. depends on your view.. if you can make media, that would probably be the easiest, see the url peterS pointed you to |
| 00:45.44 | draeath | lenny-beta2 is recommended? any reason not to use a weekly or netinst? |
| 00:45.47 | simonrvn | besides, that's *under* going rate. what a cheapass |
| 00:45.48 | abrotman | simonrvn: repeat offender |
| 00:45.59 | peterS | errr - abrotman - I think that might be overreacting. It looked harmless enough. he was warned not to do that, I don't see reason to believe he would have done it again |
| 00:46.03 | simonrvn | i know, that's why i !ops 'ed him |
| 00:46.09 | peterS | I mean does that guy have a history? |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | peterS: he's done it before |
| 00:46.17 | peterS | well, ok |
| 00:46.20 | simonrvn | yes he does |
| 00:46.25 | draeath | You think they would learn. things like that make me sad for humanity., |
| 00:46.41 | zinx | peterS: he's done it multiple times, and has been warned multiple times *this* IRC session, even |
| 00:46.52 | simonrvn | today |
| 00:47.31 | draeath | anyways.. should I grab a lenny beta2-release ISO, or would I be better served with a weekly or even a current netinst? |
| 00:49.06 | simonrvn | depends on what the bts says =) |
| 00:49.43 | infinity1 | whats the keyword to tell bind to forward requests for a particular domain to a specific server? |
| 00:49.47 | draeath | bts? |
| 00:50.28 | simonrvn | you'd configure that zone as slave, with the required master(s) in the zone definition |
| 00:51.08 | peterS | infinity1: 'type forward; forwarders { a.b.c.d; }' |
| 00:51.12 | peterS | infinity1: inside a zone { } |
| 00:51.19 | infinity1 | peterS: ahhh |
| 00:51.28 | simonrvn | oh, forwards... ignore me |
| 00:51.59 | peterS | infinity1: full example: zone "example.com" { type forward; forwarders { 192.168.0.88; }; }; |
| 00:52.06 | peterS | infinity1: untested - I believe that is the right approach though |
| 00:52.30 | infinity1 | peterS: i think your right. sounds familiar |
| 00:52.49 | simonrvn | right idea, but i'm not sure if forwards can be set in a zone def. |
| 00:53.13 | peterS | infinity1: install bind9-doc and read /usr/share/doc/bind9-doc/arm/Bv9ARM.html (: |
| 00:53.26 | peterS | arm == administrator reference manual |
| 00:54.15 | draeath | I'm gonna give this a try. The installer issues "TODAY" page only lists an issue with MIPS. arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-i386-powerpc-netinst.iso |
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| 00:54.44 | infinity1 | works |
| 00:54.55 | peterS | cool |
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| 00:56.01 | simonrvn | awesome :) |
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| 00:57.43 | draeath | arg is there a US mirror of cdimages that would have a daily image, that doesn't suck? |
| 00:58.03 | draeath | I'm downloading from a swede mirror right now, and it's painfully slow |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | ti's only 180MB |
| 00:58.20 | draeath | 508 |
| 00:58.24 | draeath | i need a multi-arch |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | need? |
| 00:58.43 | draeath | well, not need. strongly desire. |
| 00:58.48 | Kovensky | doesn't feel mirror lagginess... his infernet is so slow it doesn't matter D: |
| 00:58.53 | infinity1 | peterS: thanks |
| 00:59.16 | draeath | Well, I suppose it could get a lot worse than ~ 120kbps, but yea... |
| 00:59.39 | Kovensky | draeath: 120 kB/s or 120 kbps? |
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| 01:00.25 | jkimball4 | is there an alternative to audacity? |
| 01:00.50 | draeath | kB/s, sorry |
| 01:00.51 | Tetracomm | No one knows anything about perlxml? |
| 01:00.53 | draeath | it's late... |
| 01:01.03 | Tetracomm | jkimball4: I want an alternative too. |
| 01:01.05 | IamSOG | lol Cupid... In Roman mythology, Cupid (Latin cupido) is the god of erotic love and beauty. He is also known by another one of his Latin names, Amor (cognate with Kama). :D |
| 01:01.24 | jkimball4 | Tetracomm: does that mean that there isn't one? |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | IamSOG: wrong channel ? |
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| 01:01.42 | Tetracomm | No. |
| 01:01.50 | Tetracomm | Hopefully someone knows. |
| 01:01.51 | seeker | what is a good html editor to use in etch |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 01:01.57 | draeath | jkimball4: i think audacity is your best bet. Would be nice if they updated the widgets though, I think its GTK 1.x? |
| 01:02.03 | draeath | vim |
| 01:02.14 | jkimball4 | can't get audacity to work |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | audacity is gtk2 |
| 01:02.21 | draeath | what's it doing? |
| 01:02.28 | draeath | wow, it certainly doesn't look gtk2 |
| 01:02.32 | IamSOG | lol, I was searching about CPUid abrotman |
| 01:02.36 | jkimball4 | not what its doing, but what it's not. it's not picking up my microphone |
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| 01:02.47 | jkimball4 | although i can clearly hear the mic in my headphones |
| 01:02.49 | draeath | jkimball4: thats less audacity and more likely alsa for you. |
| 01:02.57 | draeath | I have nightmares getting my mic to work |
| 01:03.08 | jkimball4 | but i can here my mic! |
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| 01:03.25 | draeath | that doesn't mean its going to a capture channel |
| 01:03.42 | draeath | what kind of card do you have? |
| 01:04.15 | jkimball4 | intel hda |
| 01:04.23 | jkimball4 | azalia is what they call it i think |
| 01:04.28 | jkimball4 | should be pretty well supported iirc |
| 01:04.49 | draeath | hmm. I've got little experience outside emu10k |
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| 01:05.47 | jkimball4 | alsamixer shoes hda intel |
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| 01:05.53 | jkimball4 | or shows |
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| 01:15.05 | Tetracomm | I want to continue to hack the Creative Zen where you left off, or at least learn how to, where do I start? |
| 01:16.30 | draeath | I hate helvetica/arial. Why do people insist on specifying crap fonts in CSS/HTML, and only falling back on generics? Really? (totally off-topic, i know...) |
| 01:17.21 | abrotman | draeath: get a browser that lets you override the stylesheet |
| 01:17.41 | draeath | overriding a stylesheet just for the fonts is a bit much. Doesn't that override the whole stylesheet? |
| 01:17.58 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 01:18.06 | draeath | But in any case, my browser lets me disable font specification and just goes with my own choice (the dejavu family) |
| 01:19.16 | Mundus | draeath: You think that's bad? I sometimes get reports in comic sans |
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| 01:19.45 | abrotman | Mundus: but you work in Kindergarten ? |
| 01:19.50 | Mundus | No |
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| 01:20.08 | Mundus | s/get/got |
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| 01:20.15 | draeath | Bleck! |
| 01:20.39 | draeath | Comic Sans has it's place... in graphic novels. |
| 01:20.46 | draeath | But I fail to see a place for it anywhere else. |
| 01:21.02 | Mundus | draeath: On birthday invites for 8-year olds |
| 01:21.12 | OpisCossack | I agree dr-jnut |
| 01:21.14 | OpisCossack | draeath* |
| 01:21.25 | OpisCossack | It looks unprofessional as hell. |
| 01:21.37 | OpisCossack | "zomg i r look soo hip now" |
| 01:21.48 | abrotman | try #web |
| 01:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to see what other packages the last install I did with apt-get pulled in? |
| 01:22.00 | draeath | abrotman: hint taken |
| 01:22.07 | draeath | no pun intended ! |
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| 01:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I fear it's replaced one of my nice custom-compiled packages pulling it in via a dependency) |
| 01:22.45 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, thanks! |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: there's also an aptitude log IIRC |
| 01:23.29 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 01:23.31 | abrotman | on lenny anyways |
| 01:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | using apt-get |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | duh .. i just read that! |
| 01:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | old habit :) |
| 01:23.59 | draeath | wow, has anyone seen bug 477454? |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | draeath: yes .. very old .. and not a Debian bug |
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| 01:24.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, funny, according to that log pstoedit wasn't touched |
| 01:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | since August |
| 01:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yet, I could convert to wmf just an hour or so ago... must be something else, then |
| 01:26.16 | draeath | Well im going to go OT in #linux rather than here (not really, i just don't have debian installed again yet, so I can't do much useful here) |
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| 01:26.34 | crashanddie | OpisCossack, http://c.myspace.com/Groups/00006/80/26/6796208_l.jpg |
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| 01:27.59 | OpisCossack | Hahaha |
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| 01:28.11 | OpisCossack | I'm printing that. |
| 01:28.11 | chio | lol |
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| 01:30.48 | chio | http://bancomicsans.com/home.html |
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| 01:31.23 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:31.24 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:31.58 | chio | sorry |
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| 01:36.37 | IamSOG | strange "/dev/cpu/0/cupid no such file or directory" |
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| 01:41.30 | mgv^ | I'm having some funny problem after an apt-get. I've googled it but there are only questions and no answers... E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libcomerr2. |
| 01:41.43 | mgv^ | I've already tried apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade with the same results. |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | paste the full error in a pastebin |
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| 01:44.32 | BubbaT | I have a machine with Win98 on it. No CD, no floppy. Got a network connection. Is there a way to install debian. |
| 01:44.42 | abrotman | netboot/pxe install |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | if your NIC supports that |
| 01:45.01 | mgv^ | abrotman: that's the full error :) |
| 01:45.16 | mgv^ | hmmm i don't think that was for me :) |
| 01:45.45 | BubbaT | How to tell? |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | you'd know when the machine starts i'd imagine |
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| 01:46.37 | abrotman | mgv^: it was for you |
| 01:47.02 | mgv^ | abrotman: well, then again, that line is the full error. |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | BubbaT: i wonder if goodbye-microsoft.com would work |
| 01:48.09 | lexko | anyone try to install postfix lately with etch? it seems to bomb during config w/ Newlines present in parameters passed to debconf. looks related to #484246. not having postfix available is kind of big in many server environs, no? |
| 01:48.35 | smacnay | Hi, if I need to compile something that requires the "boost" headers - do I need to install libboost-dev? |
| 01:48.46 | abrotman | mgv^: does it tell you which index ? |
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| 01:50.05 | abrotman | mgv^: or you might want to try anothe rmirror |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | mgv^: which version of debian ? |
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| 01:50.22 | noborusa | Hi guys, i was using backports to get iptables upgraded ,along with kernel was upgraded to etchnhalf successfully, but this time i do apt-get update && upgrade,it reminds me to get linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem ,any idea ? |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about dsa |
| 01:51.18 | noborusa | This kernel is not what i need,cuz it does not have connlimit included that is why i was using the backports to get etchnhalf. |
| 01:51.27 | mgv^ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d645b4315 |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about dsa |
| 01:51.44 | noborusa | abrotman, hi abrotman :( |
| 01:52.01 | noborusa | i read it. but i still have no idea what to do. |
| 01:52.43 | noborusa | i am using 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem ,but it reminds me to get linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 01:53.15 | noborusa | sorry, i typed some incorrect info |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | mgv^: same with aptitude ? |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | noborusa: READ THE DSA FACTOID |
| 01:53.37 | mgv^ | abrotman: yup |
| 01:54.03 | noborusa | i mean,i was using backports to get iptables upgraded ,and i was using the official sourcelist to get kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem,but how come this time it reminds me to get linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about dsa |
| 01:55.18 | noborusa | abrotman, i am on that page ,what can i do ? |
| 01:57.39 | noborusa | hmm |
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| 01:59.07 | abrotman | mgv^: i suppose you could add one in |
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| 02:00.01 | abrotman | mgv^: :Filename: pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/libcomerr2-dbg_1.41.2-1_i386.deb |
| 02:00.04 | noborusa | stew is not here :( |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | mgv^: Filename: pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/libcomerr2-dbg_1.41.2-1_i386.deb |
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| 02:00.17 | abrotman | noborusa: so what? |
| 02:00.58 | noborusa | abrotman, i am really confused that why it reminds me to get an older kernel than what i am currently using. |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | you really have trouble reading .,.. |
| 02:01.44 | noborusa | abrotman, i have read,and i went to that page too, also i am already having myself in the dsa list . |
| 02:03.58 | IamSOG | strange "/dev/cpu/0/cupid no such file or directory" I though it auto genrate it ? |
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| 02:05.18 | noborusa | ii linux-image-2.6.24-etchnh 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.5 |
| 02:05.27 | noborusa | it is instaleld no problem . |
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| 02:07.13 | noborusa | abrotman, i was installing the etchnhalf kernel by apt-get install ,not via apt-get update && upgrade though. |
| 02:08.59 | mgv^ | abrotman: I've already dpkg -i it, but still the same. |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | mgv^: you could delete the lists and reget them perhaps |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | or mv them to /tmp/ |
| 02:09.51 | mgv^ | if you mean pkgcache.bin and available, i've already done it hehe |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | mgv^: in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ... lots of files |
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| 02:12.07 | mgv^ | abrotman: nice, i'm trying it :) |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | mgv^: be careful moving those around |
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| 02:12.43 | mgv^ | abrotman: you're scaring me [?] |
| 02:13.04 | abrotman | mgv^: just don't delete them .. mv them to /tmp/ temporarily |
| 02:13.37 | noborusa | i am waiting someone who can help me |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | just install the update already |
| 02:13.53 | noborusa | me ? |
| 02:14.12 | noborusa | but how come it will install an older kernel ? |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about dsa |
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| 02:14.31 | noborusa | faints |
| 02:14.53 | noborusa | abrotman, i dont get it. |
| 02:15.04 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | mgv^: so when you're done .. do an aptitude update again |
| 02:15.42 | mgv^ | abrotman: yup i've done the update and it seems to be upgrading correctly now |
| 02:15.42 | noborusa | seriously, i know there is new bug found in 2.6.18 but since im not using it how come it is still reminding me to upgrade it |
| 02:15.44 | mgv^ | thank you very much |
| 02:15.59 | mgv^ | (i still wondered what caused the problem) |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | noborusa: either upgrade the package or remove it |
| 02:16.06 | noborusa | I am using linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf |
| 02:16.06 | mgv^ | s/wondered/wonder |
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| 02:17.05 | acu | hey guys - is there some firmware for broadcom wifi cards - like the ones zipped http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/lenny/current/ |
| 02:17.06 | noborusa | abrotman, even i do not use it but it was installed before and exits in the disk, apt will still remind updates when available |
| 02:17.07 | noborusa | ? |
| 02:17.13 | magico_fuxu_ | hi |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about grounding |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | acu: the b43 firmware |
| 02:19.03 | noborusa | abrotman, i use dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem and dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf , both of them are states as 'ii', i think i ve found the reason :D |
| 02:19.26 | abrotman | only took an hour |
| 02:19.29 | noborusa | abrotman, yeah,i will remove the second one :D thank you . |
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| 02:19.50 | noborusa | apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem --purge ? |
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| 02:21.29 | acu | abrotman: so I have to use as before b43-fwcutter - I have noticed that in the link which pointed out to the firmware - they were having .deb that is what I was thinking of |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | acu: if it's in that tar.gz .. you could probably get it from that and put it on a floppy or something for use during the install |
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| 02:23.59 | acu | abrotman: thanks - such a pain in the a$$ are this drivers from broadcom :( |
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| 02:24.20 | abrotman | acu: agreed |
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| 02:25.56 | noborusa | debian rocks :D |
| 02:26.06 | Mundus | I don't have any problems with neither intel or broadcom wlan drivers/firmware in lenny |
| 02:26.30 | noborusa | many lenny will be out by the end of x'mas ? |
| 02:26.31 | acu | Mundus: did you use fwcutter |
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| 02:26.37 | Mundus | acu: Yeah |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | Mundus: but you still need firmware |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | !tell noborusa about wwlr |
| 02:27.02 | litwol|mac | !tell litwol|mac about wwlr |
| 02:27.09 | Mundus | I even think the b43-fwcutter was on disc1 |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | !tell litwol|mac about wwlr |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | !tell litwol|mac about selftell |
| 02:27.24 | acu | I was wondering if you can enable the broadcom at the install (instead of installing Lenny trough wire) to use wifi |
| 02:27.26 | Mundus | But I'm not sure if I installed it before or after I connected the laptop to a wired network |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | acu: if you have the firmware i suppose |
| 02:28.51 | acu | but the firmware is like some .inf or .sys (I even forgot that) so I am still confused about all this business of fwcutter - and I think during install you would not have such a luxury - but I have to get instructed in this :) |
| 02:29.08 | Mundus | .sys |
| 02:29.36 | Mundus | I think, I'm not sure anymore |
| 02:29.54 | acu | but the way how other drivers - that is really easy - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/lenny/current/ |
| 02:29.56 | Mundus | But I enabled wireless after the install |
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| 02:32.31 | acu | Unfortunately i am not expert and extremely busy for few months - but I would like to be involved in Desktop and Laptop team - there are so many basic things are not enabled in Debian - I mean is really simple if those guys are making a brainstorm of what a laptop nowadays comes with - wifi, webcam - windows network so samba and some GUI for browsing a samba network should be by default - to me is so elementary, yet they are not enabled |
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| 02:32.52 | beardy | ? |
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| 02:33.10 | beardy | Just install it if you need it. |
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| 02:33.21 | beardy | To someone else they are not elementary. |
| 02:34.54 | acu | beardy: of course you can compile everything from scratch if you need it :) but then do not call it Desktop :) |
| 02:35.12 | beardy | acu: What are you talking about. |
| 02:35.49 | Mundus | What I like about debian is that it hasn't got all those "elementary" things enabled. If I wanted those I'd just install ubuntu so I was ready to go with fancy compiz effects while wine-ing counter strike and RDP-ing to a windows server or wassnot |
| 02:36.12 | beardy | It's all there. |
| 02:36.15 | beardy | Lazy gits. |
| 02:36.18 | beardy | !installit |
| 02:36.18 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 02:37.10 | zinx | acu: my laptop runs debian and has all those things. |
| 02:37.32 | noborusa | Mundus, i totally am with you. |
| 02:37.32 | zinx | acu: i don't believe it's running anything that isn't packaged by debian apart from eclipse |
| 02:38.19 | Mundus | noborusa: Seriously? I think I overdid it a bit and was wondering if I should pardon my outburst =P |
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| 02:39.18 | noborusa | i like debian cuz it installs stuff when need |
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| 02:40.47 | acu | I think there should be a distinction between server and desktop - and for the desktop or laptop some more GUI options should be available when you install the OS |
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| 02:41.40 | Mundus | I don't know why I like debian. I think it's because I prejudice distros like ubuntu, mandriva and fedora, heard too much crap about slackware, suse and red hat, and know for a fact that emerging stuff takes ages. |
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| 02:41.45 | xlotlu | why might my xorg not use new mice plugged while logged in? |
| 02:41.53 | demism | acu: I disagree, my laptop is happily running as a router without any guis |
| 02:42.00 | acu | like guidance in KDE - I found extremely helpful - you do not need no prompt to do a lot of simple things |
| 02:42.11 | acu | demism: bravo for you |
| 02:42.14 | Pulpie | when trying to apt-get upgrade i get the following error: E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libcomerr2. please help, how I can fix this? |
| 02:42.29 | zinx | xlotlu: you're not telling it to use /dev/input/mice, most likely |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | another one? |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | Pulpie: ask mgv^ how to fix it! |
| 02:42.50 | Pulpie | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 02:42.59 | mgv^ | hahaha it seems to be a common problem with today's update |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | i didn't have that problem though |
| 02:43.20 | xlotlu | zinx: i wasn't aware i was supposed to.. since a few years ago |
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| 02:43.26 | Mundus | Me neither, but if that's an etch problem I know why =P |
| 02:43.27 | mgv^ | Pulpie: move /var/lib/apt/lists/* to somewhere, and retry the update. |
| 02:43.28 | Pulpie | mgv^: you had this problem earlier? |
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| 02:43.40 | mgv^ | Pulpie: like 20' ago. Lenny. |
| 02:43.45 | Pulpie | O_O |
| 02:43.53 | Pulpie | 20' << meaning? |
| 02:43.58 | mgv^ | 20 minutes |
| 02:44.17 | Pulpie | where do I move that stuff to |
| 02:44.21 | Pulpie | what do I do with it? |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | Pulpie: /tmp/ would be a good plan |
| 02:44.40 | mgv^ | Pulpie: move it to /tmp or your home in case something goes awfully wrong [?] |
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| 02:44.44 | zinx | xlotlu: the other system that gives X hotplug mice is xinput's hotplug stuff, and from what i've seen the xinput hotplug stuff isn't really ready for use. |
| 02:44.57 | Pulpie | mgv^: now what? |
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| 02:45.22 | mgv^ | Pulpie: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. |
| 02:45.24 | Mundus | mkdir tempAptList && mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* tempAptList/ |
| 02:45.52 | Pulpie | mgv^: i cant upgrade i have moved partial |
| 02:45.53 | Mundus | I'm too slow today, I'll just shut up and watch you guys |
| 02:46.02 | Pulpie | mgv^: E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
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| 02:46.11 | abrotman | Pulpie: mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ |
| 02:46.33 | Pulpie | abrotman: ahh |
| 02:47.02 | xlotlu | zinx: for me it worked properly for quite a while. what happens now is really weird though: i have a mouse that's configured with /dev/input/by-id/usb... that stops working if i unplug it and re-plug it. although udev does its job perfectly |
| 02:47.17 | Pulpie | Mundus: thanks anyways I enjoy your help |
| 02:47.39 | Pulpie | mgv^: any idea what caused this? |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | Pulpie: all fixed up ? |
| 02:47.52 | mgv^ | Pulpie: dwarves playing at debian hq. |
| 02:47.58 | mgv^ | not idea :( |
| 02:48.07 | Mundus | Fu fu fu, that's not nice mgv^ |
| 02:48.15 | Pulpie | mgv^: should we go on a dwarf raiding party? |
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| 02:48.36 | mgv^ | Mundus: sorry, i was trying to get medievalish. |
| 02:48.43 | Pulpie | abrotman: seems to be upgrading fine so far |
| 02:48.53 | Pulpie | Mundus: are you really short? |
| 02:49.02 | Mundus | mgv^: That's alright, I kind of liked it |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
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| 02:49.25 | Mundus | Pulpie: This is the internet, we're all big masculine guys with really large e-penises |
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| 02:49.57 | Pulpie | Mundus: actually i've been said to look like kurt cobain and I live in seattle |
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| 02:50.41 | Mundus | Pulpie: Shh, you're just one google image search away from looking like arnold |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | Pulpie: all fixed up? |
| 02:50.59 | Pulpie | Mundus: who wants to look like that? |
| 02:51.06 | Pulpie | abrotman: dunno so far so good |
| 02:51.15 | Pulpie | abrotman: double checking the upgrade |
| 02:51.47 | Pulpie | something seems to be not working i think |
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| 02:53.01 | Pulpie | abrotman: when using the update manager it shows a lot of failed sites |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | i don't use the update manager |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | just aptitude |
| 02:53.28 | mgv^ | me neither so i cannot ack that problem. |
| 02:53.39 | [M3]-Aaron | hey i have a question. where do i download the Lenny. GNU/Linux. DVD iso? so i can installed it. on my computer |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | [M3]-Aaron: use the netinst |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | get a daily from debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:54.07 | Pulpie | [M3]-Aaron: debian.org ? |
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| 02:56.46 | hovis | Having trouble installing vim-full, error: "The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libruby1.8.". After some google research I tried removing the libruby package, but it's not installed. Any ideas? |
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| 02:56.53 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:56.53 | [M3]-Aaron | abrotman how come everytime when i try installing debian lenny. it says. that the cd is not in or something like that. |
| 02:56.56 | abrotman | Pulpie: it's your turn |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | [M3]-Aaron: you're burning it badly .. |
| 02:57.18 | [M3]-Aaron | abrotman actually it boots and everything. |
| 02:57.23 | Pulpie | oh |
| 02:57.27 | [M3]-Aaron | so i do not know what's going on. and stuff like that |
| 02:57.30 | Pulpie | hovis: yeah |
| 02:57.47 | abrotman | [M3]-Aaron: then tell us the real issue |
| 02:57.50 | ttick | anyone know how to get the ejabberd admin http page to come up? |
| 02:58.37 | [M3]-Aaron | abrotman Everytime I've downloaded it the iso. from Lenny when i try installing it. it gives me an error. about the cd. some issued i cannot recall right now. |
| 02:58.42 | [M3]-Aaron | so that's why i was asking. |
| 02:58.42 | Pulpie | hovis: sudo mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* /tmp/ && sudo mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 02:58.48 | Pulpie | hovis: one-liner fix |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | [M3]-Aaron: well .. that's kind of important |
| 02:58.56 | hovis | cool, thanks |
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| 02:59.06 | abrotman | Pulpie: not everyone has sudo installed |
| 02:59.09 | [M3]-Aaron | right abrotman |
| 02:59.10 | beardy | [M3]-Aaron: Burn it an 1X speed. |
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| 02:59.15 | [M3]-Aaron | okey. |
| 02:59.18 | [M3]-Aaron | I'll do it. |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | and use a daily |
| 02:59.25 | [M3]-Aaron | thanks for the tip beardy |
| 02:59.41 | Pulpie | abrotman: meh so? he can just install it |
| 02:59.41 | beardy | s/an/at |
| 02:59.44 | hovis | I |
| 02:59.50 | beardy | [M3]-Aaron: No problem. |
| 02:59.57 | [M3]-Aaron | Let's see if it works. |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | Pulpie: uh .. how is that? his apt isn't working |
| 03:00.00 | [M3]-Aaron | i hope it does. |
| 03:00.09 | hovis | I'm pretty new to linux, are there any properties of '&&' that aren't obvious? |
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| 03:00.27 | Pulpie | hovis: no |
| 03:00.39 | Pulpie | hovis: it just means after this run this |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | not exactly |
| 03:00.49 | hovis | cool, thanks again |
| 03:00.51 | beardy | Not exactly no. |
| 03:00.57 | Pulpie | oh i guess im wrong |
| 03:01.38 | beardy | hovis: I assume you are talking about the use of && in bash? Firstly, it is documented in the manual 'man 5 bash'. |
| 03:01.59 | \amethyst | hovis: it uses short-circuit evaluation |
| 03:02.30 | \amethyst | hovis: (in C, shell, Perl, and lots of other languages) if the left side is false, the right side isn't evaluated |
| 03:02.52 | [M3]-Aaron | Si Hay algun Archivo. Defectuoso. Porfavor dejenme Saber Gracias Teclea: @[M3]-Aaron-Novedades Para Que Veas Lo Ultimo Que He Agregado A Mi Lista ! Teclea: @[M3]-Aaron Para Mi Lista De: 0 Archivos ! () Slots Libres: 2/2 ! En Espera: 0 ! Velocidad: 0cps ! Slot Libre En: AHORA ! Envíos: 0 ! Lista: ! |
| 03:02.54 | hovis | thanks for the reference, beardy. \amethyst: I didn't know what that means, but now I do, and that's pretty awesome |
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| 03:03.05 | \amethyst | hovis: so sometimes a && b is used to mean "if a, then b" |
| 03:03.12 | \amethyst | hovis: and a || b for "if not a, then b" |
| 03:03.16 | beardy | hovis: What \amethyst said goes for bash too, if the left command returns an exit status of zero, and only then, the right side command is executed. |
| 03:03.24 | Pulpie | hovis: does it seem fixed so far? |
| 03:03.35 | Mundus | If, and only if, a is fulfilled, then do b |
| 03:03.42 | beardy | hovis: That is, if the left side is successful. |
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| 03:04.01 | [M3]-Aaron | is there something else than nero? |
| 03:04.01 | hovis | It's still getting files from my local university repo |
| 03:04.08 | [M3]-Aaron | to burn in windows |
| 03:04.10 | Pulpie | hovis: yay it works |
| 03:04.24 | hovis | [M3]-Aaron: I recommend imgburn |
| 03:04.27 | beardy | [M3]-Aaron: Very much, but that will do. |
| 03:04.35 | Pulpie | hovis: im jumping the gun but I just went through this like less then 10 seconds after you entered |
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| 03:04.43 | [M3]-Aaron | hovis okey |
| 03:04.57 | hovis | funny |
| 03:05.14 | Pulpie | yeah so I made the one liner |
| 03:05.50 | beardy | [M3]-Aaron: Make sure you burn the image to the disc, and not put the image file onto the disc in a filesystem.. |
| 03:06.01 | [M3]-Aaron | hovis you need to pay for it? |
| 03:06.27 | hovis | [M3]-Aaron: asi recall, it's open-source (no) |
| 03:06.34 | ida01 | hey guys - I am trying to boot and install debian lenny amd64 from a usb comact flash - I downloaded unetbootin and the netinstall iso for daily lenny - the compact flash boots cool and debian lenny starts the installation process - however it ask me that my installation CDrom could not be mounted - but I have the flash drive were my files are - can anyone help ? |
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| 03:07.03 | tecnico_ingenier | hi people |
| 03:07.06 | tecnico_ingenier | how can i modify the xorg vtswiting meta+ctrl+fn for example Meta+Ctrl+Shift+<Fn> |
| 03:07.39 | hovis | ida01: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 03:07.47 | beardy | tecnico_ingenier: Hack the kernel. |
| 03:07.53 | hovis | ida01: google: "installing debian from usb" |
| 03:07.58 | [M3]-Aaron | hovis okey how do i burn it? |
| 03:08.00 | ida01 | hovis: thanks I am going to try that |
| 03:08.05 | [M3]-Aaron | create image from disk? |
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| 03:08.52 | hovis | [M3]-Aaron: the opposite. you already have a disc image (the iso file). You need to make a disc with that image |
| 03:09.05 | [M3]-Aaron | write image to disk? |
| 03:09.11 | hovis | [M3]-Aaron: indeed |
| 03:09.12 | beardy | tecnico_ingenier: Or possibly only X. AFAIK it isn't configurable. |
| 03:09.15 | [M3]-Aaron | cool |
| 03:10.28 | beardy | tecnico_ingenier: Interesting question. |
| 03:11.00 | hovis | thanks again guys, good luck with your first install Aaron |
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| 03:12.09 | mandric | does anyone have a favorite log analyzer tool? i'm thinking it would be cool to actually run the logs through syslog or something instead of doing cron so that people can have a better view of what is happening on their site "now". |
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| 03:12.23 | mandric | oh, i'm talking about apache logs ... sorry. |
| 03:12.53 | [M3]-Aaron | Si Hay algun Archivo. Defectuoso. Porfavor dejenme Saber Gracias Teclea: @[M3]-Aaron-Novedades Para Que Veas Lo Ultimo Que He Agregado A Mi Lista ! Teclea: @[M3]-Aaron Para Mi Lista De: 0 Archivos ! () Slots Libres: 2/2 ! En Espera: 0 ! Velocidad: 0cps ! Slot Libre En: AHORA ! Envíos: 0 ! Lista: ! |
| 03:13.11 | beardy | What the fuck. |
| 03:13.59 | beardy | [M3]-Aaron: Any excuse? |
| 03:14.01 | zinx | watch the language, but i concurr |
| 03:14.06 | beardy | Shut up. |
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| 03:16.00 | manu_hack | approx when will 2.6.27 go to sid? |
| 03:16.21 | zinx | manu_hack: no one knows. it will be done when it's done. |
| 03:16.29 | beardy | When it's ready. |
| 03:16.44 | PhrkOnLsh | I am having issues booting my machine under kernel 2.6.26-1-686... whenever I attempt to boot, there is a delay until I hit the power button. Is there any way to circumvent this? I'm running debian sid. |
| 03:16.58 | manu_hack | fair enough :) |
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| 03:19.52 | JeffH_ | anyone here use madwifi? |
| 03:20.36 | X91 | I am trying to make a webserver using xbuntu and reccomondations? |
| 03:21.05 | PhrkOnLsh | X91: youll need apache, php and mysql, no doubt |
| 03:22.29 | X91 | Well yes but i've used xampp for windows. But then I heard windows was vulnerable to hacks. |
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| 03:23.21 | mmlj4 | JeffH_: yes |
| 03:24.24 | JeffH_ | mmlj4: did you have any problems? I cant seem to get it to work. I've followed the instructions and don't see anything in dmesg or logmsg about wifi0 and I don't have a ath0 device. |
| 03:24.32 | X91 | Is there an emulator for ubuntu to use exe files? |
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| 03:24.49 | topherbartos | wine |
| 03:25.08 | xlotlu | zinx: i found the problem: /usr/share/doc/hal/examples/10-x11-input.fdi has been moved away from hal/fdi/policy, probably after the big mess that evdev caused at some point with keyboard layouts |
| 03:25.35 | xlotlu | seems somebody forgot that file also took care of mice .. |
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| 03:28.32 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: what does iwconfig, without arguments, report as interfaces |
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| 03:28.55 | keith4__ | so... trying to get lmsensors working. don't have the ipmisensor, apparently. thoughs? http://pastebin.com/m661bf1b1 |
| 03:29.30 | JeffH_ | Rusty: lo, eth0, eth1 an sit0 |
| 03:30.08 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: and ifconfig ? |
| 03:30.16 | JeffH_ | Rusty: same |
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| 03:32.31 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: tried dhclient eth1 ? |
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| 03:33.04 | JeffH_ | Rusty1: eth1 is my wired gigabit ethernet card. |
| 03:33.20 | xlotlu | keith4__: you'll need to patch the kernel and recompile.. google around, there's a sourceforge project |
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| 03:34.10 | BubbaT | I have a machine with Win98 on it. No CD, no floppy. Got a network connection. Is there a way to install debian. |
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| 03:34.35 | topherbartos | boot from usb |
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| 03:35.25 | BubbaT | Don't have a usb stick either. |
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| 03:36.35 | topherbartos | how was win98 installed on it? |
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| 03:37.06 | acu | bubbaT: just a second - let me look - there is goodbye windoes |
| 03:37.06 | BubbaT | There is supposed to be a way to use loadlin and the hd-media images to install, but everytime I run loadlin it reboots. |
| 03:37.08 | keith4__ | xlotlu: hmmm. i don't know if I need it that badly |
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| 03:37.54 | BubbaT | topherbartos, answer-> a long,long,long time ago |
| 03:37.56 | acu | BubbaT: here you are my man http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 03:38.10 | acu | it install stable etch |
| 03:38.22 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: the module installed ? , lsmod | grep ath_pci |
| 03:38.38 | JeffH_ | Rusty: yup |
| 03:38.45 | topherbartos | thats not an answer how it was installed, that was when it was installed. |
| 03:39.15 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: light(s) on the card? |
| 03:39.24 | topherbartos | get vmware...run it with the iso file. install it |
| 03:39.25 | JeffH_ | Rusty: nope |
| 03:40.01 | Rusty1 | JeffH_: lspci sees it? |
| 03:40.24 | JeffH_ | Rusty: yes |
| 03:40.45 | acu | BubbaT: got it - I have to leave now - you have there a video tutorial and stuff - good luck |
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| 03:42.03 | BubbaT | Does the video have sound? |
| 03:42.23 | BubbaT | Cause I'm playing it in vlc and it doesn't seem to. |
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| 03:43.33 | JeffH_ | lspci | grep Ath: 01:08.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 0023 (rev 01) |
| 03:44.18 | BubbaT | topherbartos, the answer is off a CD a long,long,long,long time ago when it had a CD> |
| 03:44.39 | BubbaT | Does vmware run on Win98? |
| 03:44.57 | topherbartos | BubbaT: got it; it might. not sure, i use linux |
| 03:45.12 | topherbartos | JeffH_: send me the contents of the iwconfig command |
| 03:45.24 | topherbartos | i set up WAY too many wireless cards |
| 03:46.08 | beardy | !vmware |
| 03:46.09 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 03:46.23 | JeffH_ | topherbartos: lo no wireless extensions, same for eth1, eth0 and sit0 |
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| 03:47.48 | Rusty1 | wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta or somesuch, done that? |
| 03:47.49 | topherbartos | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_vmware_server_howto |
| 03:47.51 | fisxoj | how do I get the "Free" space on my disk to be "Available" so I can do anything? |
| 03:48.36 | Rusty1 | from http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/FirstTimeHowTo << JeffH_ |
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| 03:50.16 | topherbartos | JeffH_: what is your wireless card? |
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| 03:50.40 | JeffH_ | topherbartos: Linksys wmp110 |
| 03:50.48 | fisxoj | alternatively - how do I make my root partition less small...? |
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| 03:53.00 | topherbartos | some people didn't get it to work until they rebooted. did you modprobe ath_pci and see if rebooting it worked at all? |
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| 03:53.35 | Rusty1 | agrees with topherbartos |
| 03:55.21 | xsdg | fisxoj: take a pencil, use the eraser, and get rid of other partitions on the disk. Then expand the root partition |
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| 03:56.03 | xsdg | fisxoj: (in actuality, you probably want growe2fs or something; parted has an interface to it) |
| 03:57.31 | fisxoj | xsdg: the big problem is, despite removing 200+MB of packages, that space isn't free for me to install things yet... |
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| 04:01.31 | b-04 | hello |
| 04:01.46 | b-04 | i go to download debian last now |
| 04:02.10 | b-04 | i have a amd 5000 x2 dual core 64 bits, which is the distribution of debian need download? |
| 04:02.16 | b-04 | i386, amd64 ? |
| 04:03.19 | topherbartos | i386 is for intel 32 |
| 04:03.28 | topherbartos | so probably the other one |
| 04:04.31 | peterS | yeah 64-bit is amd64 |
| 04:05.13 | b-04 | thanks :) |
| 04:05.23 | b-04 | another version 32 bits for my procesor? |
| 04:05.59 | topherbartos | you have amd processor |
| 04:06.00 | peterS | i386 is the 32-bit version. but the whole "have to use 32-bit mode because 64-bit is too unstable and the drivers still suck" is totally a Windows thing (: |
| 04:06.13 | peterS | so generally you'd use amd64 |
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| 04:06.57 | b-04 | hahahaha |
| 04:07.19 | b-04 | peterS, flash is unstable in 64 bits |
| 04:07.38 | JeffH_ | Is there a curses based program around to configure a wireless device? |
| 04:07.39 | peterS | that may be. I don't use it. they didn't even support amd64 on linux for awhile |
| 04:08.13 | b-04 | hahaha |
| 04:08.33 | b-04 | so, i can run with a good performance i386 version in my pc? |
| 04:09.06 | peterS | you can't necessarily get full use of your hardware, in particular if you have 4 GB of memory it won't be as efficiently usable with a 32-bit kernel |
| 04:09.25 | peterS | though if you install debian i386 you can run a 64-bit kernel with it and sorta get the best of both |
| 04:09.53 | b-04 | really |
| 04:09.56 | b-04 | very good... |
| 04:10.03 | b-04 | nice peterS :) |
| 04:10.04 | b-04 | thanks |
| 04:10.07 | topherbartos | JeffH_: yes, but its preferable to use command line; iwconfig eth0 key s:[ascii keycode] ; iwconfig eth0 essid [network name] ; dhclient eth0 |
| 04:10.27 | topherbartos | gnome has a good network gui tool and kde has something similar |
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| 04:10.59 | JeffH_ | topherbartos: how do I tell it to use wpa2? |
| 04:12.03 | b-04 | i've seen and I LOVE e17 |
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| 04:12.41 | b-04 | |
| 04:12.42 | b-04 | e17 is really nice |
| 04:13.41 | b-04 | I like the environment mac, I have a monitor, 22 inches, to make the most |
| 04:14.06 | b-04 | really is the best image I can give my monitor, e17 with debian |
| 04:14.11 | nirupama | from where can i download coolfox |
| 04:14.12 | topherbartos | JeffH_: http://wiki.debian.org/Manual-Howto |
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| 04:14.27 | JeffH_ | topherbartos: thanks |
| 04:14.30 | b-04 | This would seem to e17 publicity, but I'm in love |
| 04:14.41 | topherbartos | everything about debian is google-able |
| 04:15.08 | nirupama | anybody here can let me know from where can I download coolfox |
| 04:15.44 | peterS | wtf is coolfox |
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| 04:16.03 | nirupama | peterS, its a browser for MID devices |
| 04:16.04 | DogBoy | lol |
| 04:16.06 | peterS | maybe debian will rename it warmweasel? |
| 04:16.21 | JeffH_ | topherbartos: don't really see anything relevent there. |
| 04:16.39 | nirupama | peterS, any help |
| 04:16.54 | peterS | do I _look_ like a search engine? |
| 04:16.54 | topherbartos | search for wpa |
| 04:17.07 | topherbartos | haha |
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| 04:25.23 | andrboot | Hi; anyreason why i try and install linux-kernel-headers i get this http://pastebin.com/d5fce54a4 ? (im running lenny testing) |
| 04:26.03 | JeffH_ | does debian configure serial console by default? |
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| 04:45.06 | andrboot | Hi; anyreason why i try and install linux-kernel-headers i get this http://pastebin.com/d5fce54a4 ? (im running lenny testing) |
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| 04:49.27 | jhulst | andrboot: My guess is that old of a kernel is no longer available in Lenny, why not use a newer kernel? |
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| 04:54.27 | enouf | MID == Mindless Inane Drones ? |
| 04:55.29 | andrboot | jhulst umm vmware server :p |
| 04:55.41 | andrboot | im not sure if vmware 2.0 works with a newer version but the older version 1.7 didn't |
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| 04:56.42 | jhulst | andrboot: well, you may have to look into upgrading the kernel if you need the headers, I guess you could work on finding them outside of apt |
| 04:56.49 | andrboot | hmmm |
| 04:56.52 | andrboot | @ jhamlin fari enough |
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| 04:59.06 | andrboot | oaks |
| 04:59.06 | andrboot | hmm |
| 04:59.07 | andrboot | treis |
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| 04:59.37 | enouf | try sdn maybe |
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| 05:02.03 | andrboot | oh sob |
| 05:02.03 | andrboot | rofl. |
| 05:02.06 | andrboot | i need grub |
| 05:02.06 | andrboot | shite |
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| 05:03.09 | Lagbolt | hey i heard something about the lenny release may be getting delayed? |
| 05:03.22 | enouf | little birdy? |
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| 05:04.01 | Lagbolt | a lil birdy told me |
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| 05:04.24 | Lagbolt | actually was a friend who said he read about 200 critical bugs and that they may push the date back or drop some packages from the release. |
| 05:04.29 | Lagbolt | just wondering if anyone heard? |
| 05:04.37 | KodeBlok | question: when i use screen, and my $TERM is xterm-color the backspace pretends its the 'delete' key... when $TERM is just xterm (no color) it works properly.... How can i make it work properly when $TERM is xterm-color? |
| 05:05.10 | KodeBlok | or at least find out where the problem lies (what file, etc) |
| 05:06.09 | TiMiDo | what's that xmms clone called audicious? |
| 05:06.17 | Lagbolt | TiMiDo, yeah |
| 05:06.41 | TiMiDo | cool |
| 05:07.57 | KodeBlok | meh *figured it out* |
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| 05:13.46 | enouf | not a mac, eh? |
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| 05:20.35 | Werdna | my laptop has no CD drive and doesn't boot from USB. Any ideas for installing debian to it? |
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| 05:23.23 | Natilous | Hi all ... how can I change my resolution on debian lenny.there is no resolution on /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:23.57 | Natilous | any help ??? |
| 05:23.59 | bootris | happen to like GNU hippies.. |
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| 05:27.38 | Natilous | where is the configuration file for resolution...??? |
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| 05:29.08 | enouf | Werdna: got an os installed on it? |
| 05:29.10 | spanther | debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso is all i need to install? |
| 05:29.27 | enouf | !netinstall |
| 05:29.27 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 05:30.00 | enouf | spanther: but yeah cd1 is enough |
| 05:30.12 | Werdna | enouf: I have XP on it at the moment |
| 05:30.20 | spanther | enouf: thank you :) |
| 05:30.37 | enouf | Werdna: see http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 05:30.44 | enouf | cake |
| 05:31.42 | enouf | Werdna: and no, it won't wipe out your windows if you don't want it to ;-) |
| 05:31.53 | Werdna | enouf: I want it to wipe out my windows :) |
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| 05:38.17 | enouf | Werdna: be our guest ;-) |
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| 05:41.13 | Werdna | enouf: seeing how it works :) |
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| 05:43.22 | aliases133 | hi um. E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libcomerr2. |
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| 05:43.41 | Werdna | enouf: I already downloaded a disk image. WHere do I put it if I want to load packages off that? |
| 05:43.45 | Werdna | I've got it on a little USB drive. |
| 05:44.12 | aliases123 | so... now what... |
| 05:46.10 | bootris | you didnt really explain your problem well enough imo |
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| 05:49.15 | aliases123 | oh nevermind - dodgy repo. |
| 05:49.19 | Mundus | aliases123: Do the following as root: mkdir tempAptList && mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* tempAptList/ && mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 05:49.55 | aliases123 | Mundus: nar i had a dodgy repo in my apt sources.list |
| 05:50.13 | Mundus | Well, you are the fourth person with that error the last 5 or 6 hours |
| 05:50.21 | Mundus | In this chan |
| 05:50.38 | Mundus | So if it doesn't work with a new repo you're gonna have to try that |
| 05:51.13 | aliases123 | it was rather odd tho. it was telling me packages were not authorized via synaptic but didn't show any... i assume it was that package... however that was odd. |
| 05:51.37 | aliases123 | well i was using 3fl and iinet. iinet works 3fl doesn't. this is on lenny. |
| 05:51.51 | Mundus | Gimme a sec |
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| 05:52.09 | aliases123 | Mundus: i could give you the full address if you want them. |
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| 05:52.32 | Mundus | 03:41 < mgv^> I'm having some funny problem after an apt-get. I've googled it but there are only questions and no answers... E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libcomerr2. |
| 05:52.55 | Mundus | 04:42 < Pulpie> when trying to apt-get upgrade i get the following error: E: The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libcomerr2. please help, how I can fix this? |
| 05:52.58 | aliases123 | Mundus: there seems to be a few repoistory's either ahead or outdated. |
| 05:53.16 | Mundus | 04:56 < hovis> Having trouble installing vim-full, error: "The package index files are corrupted. No Filename: field for package libruby1.8.". After some google research I tried removing the libruby package, but it's not |
| 05:53.55 | aliases123 | well the time is now 16:53 - according to the irssi clock what is your time zone so i can see where those times meet vs me. |
| 05:54.10 | Mundus | It's 07:53 now |
| 05:54.56 | Mundus | So the first one was 4 hours and 12 minutes ago |
| 05:54.58 | aliases123 | ok. and each is using a different repo. Mundus i should check the times tho. however i find it odd that one of my repos had it whilst the other didn't. |
| 05:55.37 | Mundus | I had no problem with my repo, and neither did some other guy who upgraded earlier |
| 05:56.35 | aliases123 | Mundus: Mundus well is it the other repo i was using is aheah of my current one. or is it that it was put in by mistake and then removed ? |
| 05:56.49 | Mundus | But I upgraded some hours before those people |
| 05:57.16 | Mundus | I haven't checked, because there were 3 cases in an hour, so I was pretty sure they fixed it |
| 05:57.49 | aliases123 | it would be neat to be able to trace where it came from. |
| 05:58.12 | Mundus | But you've already added new repos and updated? |
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| 05:58.31 | aliases123 | who me ? |
| 05:58.37 | Mundus | Yeah |
| 05:58.41 | aliases123 | no i was using 2 repos. |
| 05:59.00 | Mundus | Well, if you have the package lists for both repos you can compare them |
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| 05:59.47 | aliases123 | where would they be kept atm ? |
| 06:00.13 | Mundus | In /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 06:00.19 | Mundus | Is my best guess |
| 06:00.24 | aliases123 | will do. |
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| 06:02.18 | Mundus | I presume you know how to use diff so you won't have to search manually |
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| 06:17.17 | |esthar| | ARe there still binary blobs in the stock Debian kernel? |
| 06:17.34 | aliases123 | it would seem that the other repo is out dated. |
| 06:18.04 | aliases123 | the affecte one. |
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| 06:21.11 | OpenTokix | |esthar|: shouldnt be, unless you enable non-free |
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| 06:29.54 | wols_ | esteel: etch yes, lenny no IIRC |
| 06:31.13 | aliases123 | wols_: really in etch which blobs ? |
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| 06:45.23 | Henry-Nicolas | Hello everybody, is there any apps (kde based, if possible) that would allow me to sync a gsm calendar with my computer |
| 06:45.27 | Henry-Nicolas | ? |
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| 06:47.39 | bootris | substr.. |
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| 06:59.16 | wols_ | Henry-Nicolas: depends on your phone |
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| 07:00.14 | Henry-Nicolas | wols_: It is not mine, I think (but not sure) it's a siemens, do you have any apps in mind ? |
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| 07:01.06 | bootris | fair enough. |
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| 07:02.47 | CVirus | Where is OpenOffice http://packages.debian.org/testing/ ? |
| 07:03.54 | Casperin | I am trying to install flash to my iceweasel, and I'm asked for the installation path to the browser; but it doesn't accept the path (/usr/lib/iceweasel). I'm thinking it's because it is looking for something that ends with either mozilla, netscape, or opera in the end.. what do I do? |
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| 07:05.44 | Casperin | I'm almost tempted to rename the file just for a second, and see if it'll work :o) |
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| 07:14.23 | nubbun | For Bazaar, can one use the Intrepid APT repository for Debian Lenny systems? or is there a more suitable repository? |
| 07:14.38 | nubbun | to get the latest release rather than one in Lenny |
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| 07:18.15 | tmp_ | Henry-Nicolas: Have you tried kitchensync? |
| 07:18.26 | ^lam64^ | hi all |
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| 07:27.04 | nubbun | how do you get apt to support SSL? |
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| 07:27.49 | olspookishmagus | I have etch, if I install phpbb3 from lenny, this means no security updates |
| 07:28.21 | sep | !testing security |
| 07:28.21 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 07:28.54 | sep | that beeing said, mixing packages between version without knowing what you are doing are usualy a shortcut to tears |
| 07:29.26 | Hagnought | hi, how can I tell if php is installed on my server? I have ssh access. |
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| 07:30.36 | olspookishmagus | any latest information of lenny becoming stable? |
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| 07:30.39 | bootris | Have you tried kitchensync? |
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| 07:36.33 | CVirus | Hagnought, http://www.htmlite.com/php003.php |
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| 07:38.10 | badcfe | semantic error: libdwfl failure (missing kernel 2.6.26-1-686 i686 debuginfo): No such file or directory while resolving probe point kernel.function("sys_*") |
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| 07:38.18 | badcfe | i get that when running a systemtap script |
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| 07:39.10 | badcfe | systemtap seems so nice. a pitty i get this error. simply did apt-get install systemtap |
| 07:39.21 | olspookishmagus | ok suppose I've decided to install from lenny packages into etch. would you recommend installing with dpkg -i ? |
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| 07:42.29 | andrboot | Hi; when installing a new kernel on my debian lenny/testing box i get this http://pastebin.com/d2bc38eb8 |
| 07:42.40 | andrboot | should i be worried? |
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| 07:43.37 | etchgroup | hi |
| 07:43.41 | bootris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.23 | etchgroup | how I doing for fix mount on usb serial port on ttyUSB0 to ttyUSB3 |
| 07:44.25 | etchgroup | ? |
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| 07:44.57 | etchgroup | because sometime, it's moutn on ttyUSB5 |
| 07:45.00 | etchgroup | on other |
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| 07:45.03 | bolt-work | etchgroup: you need to give us your error messages, a short description of what you're trying to do, and also why |
| 07:45.13 | etchgroup | I don't have an error message |
| 07:45.22 | olspookishmagus | andrboot: is that CPU an AMD? |
| 07:45.30 | etchgroup | I have several peripheral on ttyUSB |
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| 07:45.32 | andrboot | olspookishmagus no its a p4 with hyper threading |
| 07:45.35 | etchgroup | and I use pl2303 |
| 07:45.45 | etchgroup | It's converter usb serial port |
| 07:45.55 | etchgroup | 1 usb to 4 serial port |
| 07:46.11 | etchgroup | and when I plug it's mount on ttyUSB |
| 07:46.22 | etchgroup | but it's radom |
| 07:46.43 | th0ger | Im trying to umount an usbstick, but gets 'device is busy'. How can i see what's accessing it? |
| 07:46.50 | etchgroup | so, if it's possible how I doing for plugin on ttyUSB0 ty ttyUSB4 |
| 07:47.00 | etchgroup | please |
| 07:47.00 | bootris | slovenians are usually just quiet, they are pussies lol |
| 07:47.00 | bolt-work | th0ger: lsof? |
| 07:47.14 | etchgroup | I must use udev |
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| 07:49.21 | th0ger | bolt-work: Yes. I was used by an ssh(!?) process which i didnt start... |
| 07:49.32 | th0ger | bolt-work: I->It |
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| 07:50.51 | olspookishmagus | andrboot: have a look here -> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=31297 |
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| 07:51.25 | IamSOG | is there a command to control fan speed ? |
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| 07:56.09 | andrboot | olspookishmagus yea i can see the problem rofl. bummer |
| 07:56.22 | andrboot | olspookishmagus you know how to print the drives in grub? |
| 07:56.34 | bolt-work | th0ger: kill, kill, kill :D |
| 07:57.28 | th0ger | bolt-work: of course, I killed, and I saw it was good.... |
| 07:57.51 | bolt-work | IamSOG: lm-sensors, pwmconfig |
| 07:57.59 | th0ger | bolt-work: but still wondering what that ssh-job was doing |
| 07:58.13 | olspookishmagus | andrboot: you mean showing the contents of the device.map file? |
| 07:58.23 | bolt-work | th0ger: netstat? |
| 07:58.37 | andrboot | no olspookishmagus |
| 07:58.49 | andrboot | hmm. |
| 07:58.52 | andrboot | doesn't like guesing |
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| 07:59.01 | bolt-work | etchgroup: it's random even if you plug it into the same port without putting anything there in between? |
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| 07:59.10 | olspookishmagus | andrboot: then you mean like from the command-line of Grub |
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| 07:59.47 | andrboot | yea |
| 08:00.00 | Kasreyn | has anyone used a SATA optical drive and seen this error before? ata1.01: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen |
| 08:00.26 | andrboot | YES |
| 08:00.26 | jas4711 | i just tried to upgrade one of my servers to lenny, and it fails and now dpkg says 'E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf'. help! |
| 08:00.27 | andrboot | fixed |
| 08:00.28 | andrboot | w000t |
| 08:00.42 | andrboot | ty olspookishmagus i will swear nexts time i come in after this reboot if it doesn't work :p rofl. |
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| 08:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did these apt tags work again now...? |
| 08:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, debtags factoid |
| 08:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, too complicated for my overtired brain |
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| 08:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh blah |
| 08:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't there anything short explaining how to use 'em? |
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| 08:13.50 | Kasreyn | meh, it's likely a bug in kernel |
| 08:13.59 | nubbun | How does one upgrade a specific package but not others? (preferably in aptitude) |
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| 08:15.15 | SJrX | I want to install ssmtpd, but it wants to nuke exim, how can I prevent that |
| 08:18.46 | sep | SJrX, why exactly do you want to run 2 MTA's ? |
| 08:19.14 | SJrX | Trying to setup amavisd |
| 08:19.25 | SJrX | so in theory mail comes into ssmtpd ---> amavisd --> exim |
| 08:19.35 | SJrX | I'll be replacing ssmtpd in a few weeks |
| 08:19.41 | sep | why not exim -> amavisd -> exim ? |
| 08:19.49 | sep | since you allready have exim.. |
| 08:19.54 | SJrX | Because I don't feel like figuring out how to do that :P |
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| 08:20.31 | sep | i think that would be easier then raping over your apt database with conflicting packages and probably easier to maintain in the long run |
| 08:20.46 | SJrX | hmmmmm |
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| 08:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nubbun, apt-get install packagename |
| 08:21.27 | SJrX | I Don't think so :P |
| 08:21.33 | sep | SJrX, http://www.clues.ltd.uk/howto/debian-sa-fprot-HOWTO.html |
| 08:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nubbun, apt-get install packagename -t repository #(repository=stable/testing/unstable/experimental/etch) |
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| 08:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | the packages probably conflict for a reason |
| 08:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | most conflicting packages do :) |
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| 08:23.32 | SJrX | hmmmm crap |
| 08:25.02 | nubbun | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 08:25.19 | nubbun | I don't see a conflict (yet) |
| 08:25.28 | SJrX | diabolical |
| 08:25.29 | sep | SJrX, run one of them in a chroot if you must |
| 08:25.34 | SJrX | hmmmm |
| 08:25.37 | nubbun | I just have an installed version and I don't want to upgrade everything |
| 08:26.18 | sep | SJrX, well they both provide files withe the same name so naturally having both at the same time will be difficult. |
| 08:26.24 | SJrX | Hmmmm |
| 08:26.31 | SJrX | I aborted the force-overwrite |
| 08:26.34 | SJrX | and had it reinstall exim4 |
| 08:26.35 | sep | so using exim->amavis->exim will be easier |
| 08:26.36 | SJrX | I think that fixed it |
| 08:27.54 | SJrX | There is no exim-deamon-heavy |
| 08:28.10 | SJrX | and this link is broken: http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/files/debian/sa-exim_3.1-2_i386.deb |
| 08:28.37 | sep | !find exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 08:28.49 | SJrX | there we go |
| 08:29.15 | sep | SJrX, apt-cache search [something] |
| 08:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | SJrX, you can of course install it from source also |
| 08:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 08:29.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'exim4-daemon-heavy' (3): (/usr/lib/cruft/filters-unex/exim4-daemon-heavy) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/exim4-daemon-heavy) in mail/exim4-daemon-heavy ;; (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/exim4-daemon-heavy-dbg) in mail/exim4-daemon-heavy-dbg. |
| 08:29.28 | SJrX | Yeah I know that sep :P |
| 08:29.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | or make your own package that hopefully doesn't conflict |
| 08:29.56 | SJrX | Hmmmm |
| 08:29.57 | SJrX | http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/files/debian/sa-exim_3.1-2_i386.deb |
| 08:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can maybe even start from the source-package if you use a prefix of /usr/local for everything |
| 08:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | (except for the /etc/alternatives etc. etc. magic which might still break) |
| 08:31.40 | SJrX | ah |
| 08:31.44 | SJrX | hmmmmm there is an sa-exim package |
| 08:31.52 | SJrX | weird |
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| 08:32.36 | Eulex | Description: Use spamAssassin at SMTP time with the Exim v4 MTA |
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| 08:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | aren't package descriptions nice? |
| 08:32.56 | bootris | I didn't have a hard time figuring out that $tabs array, although i don't know the original integral to get on them .. well i was using is aheah of my current one.. |
| 08:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | they sometimes even tell you what a package is |
| 08:33.19 | SJrX | well normally I assume a debian guide will tell me to get the package from apt, CutMeOwnThroat instead of some random url. |
| 08:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | SJrX? |
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| 08:34.10 | SJrX | nothing nevermind I think you weren't talking to me :P |
| 08:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sa-exim is in the repository |
| 08:34.27 | SJrX | this guide that sep gave me: http://www.clues.ltd.uk/howto/debian-sa-fprot-HOWTO.html |
| 08:34.33 | SJrX | implies that it isn't but anyway |
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| 08:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 08:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuff moves into the repository if it's stable enough and there are no licensing problems |
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| 08:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the howto is from around 2004 |
| 08:35.29 | sep | SJrX, i just meant that as a guideline how to it might be outdated but the concept valid. guides are ment as guidelines not cut and paste administration |
| 08:35.34 | SJrX | ah |
| 08:35.54 | sep | sorry for the fuzziness |
| 08:36.05 | SJrX | that's okay |
| 08:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHAT? No cut&paste administration?! |
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| 08:36.29 | SJrX | For some reason I just HATE mail administration |
| 08:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no pampering?! |
| 08:36.42 | SlayerXP | CutMeOwnThroat: demand a full refund |
| 08:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I will! |
| 08:36.54 | SJrX | I remember reading, MySQL, Samba, Apache, BIND books with glee a few years ago, but there was something so daunting and unsatisfying about mail |
| 08:37.14 | SlayerXP | mail, done properly, is boring. |
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| 08:37.30 | SJrX | Only reason I'm botherinng with this is I got zarafa and my iPhone working |
| 08:37.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, telnet somehost 25 was also always good enough for *me* |
| 08:37.34 | SJrX | so now I need better spam control |
| 08:37.51 | SJrX | debian out of the box exim, has worked fine CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 08:44.00 | SJrX | Hmmm |
| 08:44.04 | SJrX | something in this guide isn't working |
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| 08:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | boinnng |
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| 08:46.56 | optraz | hello, i have a disk with a parition lvm. this disk has been move to another host. how do i temporary mount this lvm partition to the host , /media? |
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| 08:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | look up which partition/disk it is (dmesg probably tells the disk, cfdisk /dev/sdc or something the partitions on it) mount with mount /dev/sdc1 /media |
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| 08:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | optraz, ^ |
| 08:52.04 | _coredump_ | moinsen |
| 08:52.12 | optraz | CutMeOwnThroat: mount: you must specify the filesystem type // i got this when i mount /dev/sdb2 /media |
| 08:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nachtsen |
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| 08:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | optraz, if you're sure that's the correct partition, then do so with e.g. -t ext3 |
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| 08:52.56 | Piseth | hello |
| 08:53.18 | Piseth | when i run one file in one useraccount it is permission denied |
| 08:53.19 | bootris | wish my state wasn't such pussies about selling beer after 9pm.. |
| 08:53.21 | SJrX | Hi my friend |
| 08:53.22 | Piseth | why like this? |
| 08:54.31 | Piseth | even that file is for that user |
| 08:54.38 | optraz | CutMeOwnThroat: when i add -t ext3 to the command, mount, i got this. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, |
| 08:54.42 | wols_ | optraz: cause it's a lvm |
| 08:54.43 | wols_ | !lvm |
| 08:54.43 | dpkg | somebody said lvm was the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | optraz, you must know what fs it is |
| 08:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm tired |
| 08:55.03 | Piseth | erm |
| 08:55.08 | Piseth | any idea? |
| 08:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piseth, what file |
| 08:55.24 | Piseth | sc_serv |
| 08:55.29 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: you were wrong since it's a lvm |
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| 08:55.33 | Piseth | i type ./sc_serv |
| 08:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_, indeed |
| 08:55.41 | Piseth | it said Permission Denied |
| 08:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | guilty |
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| 08:56.06 | optraz | wols_: in my case, how do i temperary mount the lvm partition ? |
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| 08:56.14 | wols_ | optraz: read the howto |
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| 08:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piseth, and the user has read/execute permissions? |
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| 08:57.47 | Piseth | -rw-r--r-- 1 radio radio 137088 2007-02-28 15:17 sc_serv |
| 08:58.16 | wols_ | duh! it's not executable |
| 08:58.25 | wols_ | !tell Piseth about permissions |
| 08:58.49 | Piseth | !tell change mode |
| 08:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Piseth about selftell |
| 08:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 08:59.17 | Piseth | :( |
| 08:59.30 | Piseth | !tell chmode |
| 08:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | try /msg dpkg chmode |
| 08:59.51 | Piseth | erro |
| 08:59.52 | Piseth | error |
| 08:59.53 | Piseth | :( |
| 08:59.58 | wols_ | !enter |
| 08:59.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 09:00.18 | wols_ | Piseth: why don't you read the url the permissions factoid gave you? |
| 09:00.39 | wols_ | *URLs |
| 09:00.44 | Piseth | yeah i'm reading sire |
| 09:00.51 | Piseth | thanks so much for fast answer |
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| 09:01.08 | optraz | wols_: which part? |
| 09:01.09 | wols_ | Piseth: if you need help, sarcasm is a very dumb strategy |
| 09:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's "chmod" (without e) |
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| 09:02.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you tell sarcasm there? |
| 09:02.08 | frk2 | guys, im trying to write a complete 'package/patch' management web interface for debian/ubuntu- had some questions on how apt/dpkg work internally |
| 09:02.12 | SJrX | weird |
| 09:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's obviously struggeling with the language |
| 09:03.01 | SJrX | hugs CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:03.14 | Piseth | i have user radio |
| 09:03.29 | Piseth | chmod -c rwx sc_serv |
| 09:03.32 | Piseth | am i right |
| 09:03.51 | wols_ | why don't you TRY and find out? |
| 09:04.39 | Piseth | :D |
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| 09:04.51 | frk2 | wols_, i can by inspecting the libraries- was wondering if there was a easier way |
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| 09:05.15 | frk2 | guess not :) |
| 09:05.19 | wols_ | frk2: you can _what_? |
| 09:05.30 | optraz | wols_: which part? |
| 09:05.38 | wols_ | frk2: and I didn't tell you anything or ask anything |
| 09:05.57 | frk2 | wols_, never mind :) i thought you were telling me to try and find out how apt worked internally :) |
| 09:06.00 | frk2 | sorry :) |
| 09:06.01 | wols_ | optraz: handholding not supported |
| 09:06.25 | wols_ | frk2: if you want answers, ask specific questions |
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| 09:06.52 | wols_ | frk2: and check out libapt actually |
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| 09:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or TRY it out :-P |
| 09:07.23 | frk2 | okay. specifically- I want to fetch the Packages file from the repo and then compare it with the Package file of many, many servers. computing which need to be updated |
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| 09:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols_ seems a little... on steam today |
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| 09:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this not a question or do my tired eyes betray me? |
| 09:08.31 | SJrX | weird |
| 09:08.39 | SJrX | How can I help you my friend CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 09:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries |
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| 09:09.11 | wols_ | frk2: frk2 apt copies those files to /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 09:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, it gets even odder |
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| 09:09.26 | wols_ | but I dunno if libapt doesn't handle this automatically |
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| 09:12.58 | optraz | wols_: hehe. |
| 09:13.49 | Piseth | thanks you all |
| 09:13.56 | Piseth | it already done for me |
| 09:13.59 | Piseth | thanks you |
| 09:14.03 | Piseth | it is working well |
| 09:15.03 | SJrX | Hmmmm |
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| 09:21.13 | ^shark_ | afew days i installed squid through the packages but i am having problems running it in /etc/init.d |
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| 09:42.50 | Bluechip | Hi. Does anyone here know if RRDTool has-been/can-be-easily ported to PHP5 ? |
| 09:43.44 | Bluechip | There are a number of claims that it already exists and a number of b0rked build insructions avavilable, but no sign or a working solution :/ |
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| 10:09.13 | superlinux | hi guys |
| 10:09.33 | superlinux | debian 4.1 name is lenny? |
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| 10:10.55 | OpenTokix | superlinux: lenny will be 5.0 |
| 10:11.03 | OpenTokix | superlinux: From what I have read |
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| 10:11.55 | superlinux | i am all the time in my apt sources put testing.. |
| 10:12.09 | superlinux | i dont care for the distro type |
| 10:12.15 | superlinux | oir name |
| 10:12.37 | superlinux | so testins is which? lenny or etch? |
| 10:12.50 | OpenTokix | testing is lenny |
| 10:12.53 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:12.56 | superlinux | good |
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| 10:13.27 | Bluechip | what's sid then? |
| 10:13.43 | OpenTokix | Bluechip: unstable |
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| 10:13.47 | OpenTokix | Bluechip: sid is always unstable |
| 10:14.01 | miniteman | is there a channel where I can talk to someone for some help setting up my xserver-xorg? |
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| 10:17.52 | bolt-work | miniteman: this one. but only if you have a specific problem. we wont hold your hand through the entire process |
| 10:18.05 | bolt-work | miniteman: find a howto if you have no idea where to begin |
| 10:18.20 | bolt-work | !set up x |
| 10:18.21 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
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| 10:23.47 | miniteman | bolt-work: thanks for the hands up .. |
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| 10:25.04 | bolt-work | ? |
| 10:25.31 | miniteman | :p you have help out thanks for that .. |
| 10:25.42 | bolt-work | ah. np |
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| 10:28.39 | miniteman | I installed xorg a couple of weeks ago on this machine and I done killed debian .. so Im having another go .. |
| 10:29.02 | miniteman | trying to remember everything .. |
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| 10:31.02 | vaq | !drxx |
| 10:31.03 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 10:35.03 | miniteman | ok I first installed xserver-xorg and it gave me problems .. I removed it .. chat with you guys and installed xorg .. had to reconfigure but it works now so thanks for the help its appreciated |
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| 10:36.00 | bolt-work | ... |
| 10:36.01 | bolt-work | right |
| 10:36.03 | bolt-work | np |
| 10:36.14 | bolt-work | our collective mental power fixes xorg |
| 10:36.48 | miniteman | lol .. Im glad Im workiing on a pentium 166 I can chuck it if I want to .. |
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| 10:40.15 | miniteman | bolt-work: thanks again .. off to play .. |
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| 10:45.24 | aliases123_ | hi is there a way to convert the salted md5 passwords that debian uses into blowfish easily ? |
| 10:46.39 | wols_ | aliases123_: md5 is a hash |
| 10:46.48 | wols_ | and blowfish is a crypto algorithm... |
| 10:46.52 | aliases123_ | yeah but if i want to move to blowfish.... |
| 10:47.18 | aliases123_ | openbsd + suse linux use blowfish so... i was just wondering. |
| 10:47.36 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.08 | wols_ | why would they use a crypto algo for passwords? |
| 10:48.10 | aliases123_ | wols_: nar i meant as in change all the passwords and things so i can use blowfish. - i agree |
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| 10:48.37 | wols_ | if they do use crypto, there is a master pw which is plain stupid |
| 10:48.56 | wols_ | I can see why not md5 but then you could use sha1 |
| 10:49.21 | aliases123_ | um. you can make blowfish hashes can't you ? |
| 10:50.13 | wols_ | "In cryptography, Blowfish is a keyed, symmetric block cipher, " |
| 10:50.27 | wols_ | and the same thing is written in my "applied cryptography" |
| 10:51.32 | bolt-work | wols_: why not md5? |
| 10:52.15 | wols_ | people are (slowly) finding ways to generate collisions |
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| 10:52.27 | aliases123_ | wols_: sure thing. however, should i then use sha1 over blowfish ? |
| 10:52.35 | bolt-work | is there an easy way to switch to sha1 for a debian system? |
| 10:52.57 | bolt-work | i'm not expecting to be able to convert existing passwords, but maybe use sha1 the next time a new password is set? |
| 10:53.02 | aliases123_ | bolt-work: it wouldn't switch you would have to change the passes |
| 10:53.16 | bolt-work | aliases123_: what i said |
| 10:53.48 | wols_ | afaik no. besides, passwords are salted |
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| 10:57.17 | Crypticfortune | wikipedia [Blowfish_cipher] says OpenBSD usses a a password-hashing method *derived* from blowfish, but I see no evidence of someone using blowfish alone as a hash... |
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| 10:58.39 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: openbsd.org links to the pertinent usenet paper |
| 11:00.29 | aliases123_ | Crypticfortune: wiki says something similar. |
| 11:00.41 | aliases123_ | wikipedia* |
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| 11:09.13 | Crypticfortune | Hmmm, ok, I see where they're going with that eksblowfish/bcrypt thing... seems kind of like making an extra thick tinfoil hat, but if you're into that... |
| 11:11.18 | aliases123_ | yep just changed my user pass and it works. |
| 11:11.28 | aliases123_ | its rather simple google for it . |
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| 11:17.32 | gane | how to remove a space from input through shell script |
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| 11:18.50 | bolt-work | gane: I think spaces are removed automatically in the arguments. just stuff them all together |
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| 11:19.51 | bolt-work | gane: or pipe through sed 's/\ //g' or something |
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| 11:19.59 | gane | i "cut " some fields & stored in file & from that i am getting space |
| 11:20.11 | gane | bolt-work, i "cut " some fields & stored in file & from that i am getting space |
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| 11:20.33 | bolt-work | gane: would sed work? |
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| 11:21.04 | gane | bolt-work, just tell me " 1" to "1" |
| 11:21.08 | gane | how |
| 11:21.26 | anhi | I was just zcat'ing a debian boot image to the wrong drive (sda instead of the usbstick sdb), any hint on how to "restore" the original sda? |
| 11:22.15 | bolt-work | gane: i just told you. sed. with the regex i specified. removes spaces. |
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| 11:22.44 | gane | bolt-work, ok |
| 11:23.59 | superlinux | guys.. how can i save the cd sessions as ISO files? |
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| 11:25.13 | Crypticfortune | So, tangentially related to the crypto thing, I inherited a crappy little webcam from a windows user and am trying to get it to work in debian (for entropy gathering ultimately, but for now, images). none of the "webcam" related apps I've tried work. It shows up in dmesg as a V4L2 device in /dev/video0, so I assume it would just work, but each app gives me a different an unhelpful error. Any ideas? =/ |
| 11:25.28 | Crypticfortune | anhi: hope you have backups? |
| 11:26.04 | anhi | Crypticfortune: nope, not in this case |
| 11:26.15 | bolt-work | anhi: then trouble. |
| 11:26.55 | anhi | bolt-work: so much i figured, yep....lets hope rewriting grub to the mbr does the trick |
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| 11:27.22 | bolt-work | anhi: it wont if you've begun overwriting the filesystem as well |
| 11:27.52 | Crypticfortune | anhi: nah, if by the "debian boot image" you mean like the installer cd, then you've almost definitely plowed into the filesystems as well. |
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| 11:28.22 | Werdna | Crypticfortune: you're using a webcam for entropy gathering? |
| 11:28.33 | Crypticfortune | anhi: you may be able to recover some files, depending on the filesystem, but a full recovery is basically impossible... =/ |
| 11:28.34 | anhi | bolt-work: hmm, /dev/sda2,9,8,5,6,7 are used as mountpoints |
| 11:28.44 | bolt-work | anhi: and if what Crypticfortune says it's the case, your safest bet is recovery software. try to fetch what you can |
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| 11:29.19 | bolt-work | s/it\'s/is/ |
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| 11:29.32 | anhi | bolt-work: kk, i'll start asap, thanks |
| 11:29.50 | Crypticfortune | Werdna: well, I'd like to give it a shot anyway (see lavarand) |
| 11:29.54 | masus | hi all how to know which files are under /dev/sda1 /ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 11:29.58 | bolt-work | anhi: hope you have a filesystem willing to cooperate :) |
| 11:30.13 | anhi | bolt-work: ext3, shouldnt be that big a problem |
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| 11:30.35 | bolt-work | masus: they should be in your /ext3 directory... |
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| 11:31.01 | masus | bolt-work: i havent a /ext3 directory |
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| 11:31.42 | Crypticfortune | masus: then you can't mount that |
| 11:32.06 | Crypticfortune | masus: make the directory, then try to mount it |
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| 11:32.23 | masus | that wasnt my question -> please look at my fstab file ->http://rafb.net/p/07MGTJ25.html |
| 11:32.28 | bolt-work | actually, it would seem the file system type is missing from your entry |
| 11:32.48 | masus | my question was, which directories are under /dev/sda1 how to check it |
| 11:33.00 | masus | because my hd is full and i want to clear it |
| 11:33.06 | bolt-work | masus: sda1 is your root |
| 11:33.24 | abrotman | masus: paste the output of "df -h" |
| 11:33.48 | bolt-work | masus: everything except /home and /mnt/hd40 should be on sda1 |
| 11:33.59 | Crypticfortune | masus: doign what abrotman said will help. you might also want to try gdmap (nice and shiny visual df) |
| 11:34.00 | masus | http://rafb.net/p/CCJMXB61.html |
| 11:34.02 | Werdna | Crypticfortune: you have too much spare time :) |
| 11:34.21 | abrotman | masus: aptitude clean .. start with that |
| 11:34.36 | Crypticfortune | er sorry, shiny du I mean. |
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| 11:34.46 | abrotman | masus: run 'sync' after that .. how much did it clear up? |
| 11:34.56 | Werdna | Crypticfortune: If you really want entropy, I'll tell you the best way to get it. |
| 11:34.59 | Crypticfortune | Werdna: recently broke up with gf. yes. yes i do.... =P |
| 11:35.10 | masus | abrotman: ok one mom please |
| 11:35.16 | Werdna | irc to irc.wikimedia.org, join #en.wikipedia |
| 11:35.24 | Werdna | pipe through to /dev/random |
| 11:35.25 | abrotman | don't spam here |
| 11:35.49 | Werdna | and voila, instant source of ~200b/s of entropy. |
| 11:35.49 | masus | thats the line : /dev/sda1 4.9G 4.5G 151M 97% / |
| 11:35.57 | Werdna | abrotman: I'm not spamming... |
| 11:36.04 | abrotman | masus: so you freed up a little |
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| 11:36.12 | abrotman | masus: du -sh /var/log/ |
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| 11:36.29 | masus | abrotman: 1.2G /var/log/ |
| 11:36.32 | bolt-work | how did you manage to put 4.5 gigs of stuff on root? |
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| 11:36.34 | bolt-work | ah. logs |
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| 11:36.43 | abrotman | masus: maybe ought to clean up some logs? |
| 11:37.05 | abrotman | masus: or at least see why you have so much space taken by logs |
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| 11:38.17 | bolt-work | masus: try "du -sh /var/log/*" |
| 11:38.43 | noppe | which would be the proper file to add modules to be modprobed at boot to? |
| 11:38.57 | bolt-work | /etc/modules ? |
| 11:38.59 | Crypticfortune | masus: or perhaps even "du -sh /var/*" |
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| 11:39.35 | noppe | thanks. |
| 11:40.26 | masus | thanks all, will begin to clear some files from log first |
| 11:40.46 | abrotman | masus: unless yu're actually using the logs .. you can usually clear the .gz quickly |
| 11:41.12 | masus | abrotman: how to clear all .gz files in subfolders |
| 11:41.35 | Werdna | masus: find . -name *.gz | xargs rm -f |
| 11:41.45 | abrotman | uh |
| 11:41.53 | abrotman | you might want to make sure oyu're in /var/log/ before doing that |
| 11:41.59 | Werdna | erm, replace . with /var/log |
| 11:42.04 | Werdna | yeah.. |
| 11:42.10 | Werdna | just to be safe. |
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| 11:42.26 | Werdna | Does anybody have experience with goodbye-microsoft.com? |
| 11:42.44 | miniteman | how do I get two chess engines to play each other on xboard? |
| 11:42.54 | miniteman | different* |
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| 11:43.14 | masus | Werdna: find /var/log/ -name "*.gz" | xargs rm -f does not take any effect ? |
| 11:43.31 | Werdna | masus: it won't say anything, but it'll do the job. |
| 11:44.27 | abrotman | miniteman: number of players set to 0 ? |
| 11:44.29 | masus | or i have delete all manuel |
| 11:44.45 | abrotman | masus: that should delete all *.gz under /var/log/ |
| 11:45.27 | masus | Werdna: and abrotman thanks all |
| 11:45.29 | masus | done |
| 11:45.45 | masus | /dev/sda1 4.9G 3.3G 1.4G 72% / |
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| 11:45.54 | miniteman | abrotman: Ill have to check .. |
| 11:45.59 | abrotman | masus: now .. the real question would be why you had so many logs to begin with? |
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| 11:46.16 | masus | abrotman: where i can find it out ? |
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| 11:46.37 | masus | abrotman: i use mysql apache squid asterisk and much more |
| 11:46.56 | vyrgozunqk | hi guys, can you tell my why and how to fix this, everythime when i start debian/lenny i have to enter modprobe snd-pcm-oss to have oss sound :/ |
| 11:47.35 | miniteman | abrotman: I know the option is on winboard but I havent seen it on xboard .. it starts straight to the board |
| 11:47.46 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules |
| 11:47.49 | abrotman | masus: see which logs are the largest .. and setup more frequent log rotation perhaps |
| 11:47.56 | Werdna | wtmp is the biggest for me. |
| 11:47.57 | abrotman | miniteman: i don't play it .. it was just a thought |
| 11:48.17 | miniteman | lol .. Im addicted again after a long layoff .. |
| 11:48.30 | vyrgozunqk | amphi, is this all ? :) |
| 11:48.45 | diveli | vyrgozunqk: yep |
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| 11:48.50 | masus | abrotman: or one cron to delete all .gz files in /var/log every week |
| 11:48.52 | vyrgozunqk | tanks a lot ! |
| 11:48.53 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 11:49.03 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: that will have snd-cpm-oss loaded at boottime |
| 11:49.12 | amphi | s/cpm/pcm |
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| 11:49.31 | vyrgozunqk | thanks again :) |
| 11:49.49 | vyrgozunqk | but why is this happening so, i have this problem only in debian... :/ |
| 11:50.22 | abrotman | masus: i don't think i'd do that .. i'd find out why |
| 11:50.35 | abrotman | (and oyu oculd configure the logrotate to keep fewer logs) |
| 11:50.45 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: there's no reason why snd-pcm-oss should be loaded by default IMHO |
| 11:51.06 | vyrgozunqk | yes but otherwise i don't have oss and sound in wine |
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| 11:51.30 | vyrgozunqk | and the other distros i've use, doesn't have this problem |
| 11:51.33 | vyrgozunqk | :/ |
| 11:51.52 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: so do what I suggested |
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| 11:52.04 | vyrgozunqk | mhm, ok :) |
| 11:52.08 | vyrgozunqk | thank you ! |
| 11:52.18 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: many people have no use for snd-pcm-oss, so why should it be loaded by default? |
| 11:52.19 | Crypticfortune | Hmm, either this webcam is lying to me about what it is, ("HV7131R image sensor" -> used sn9c102, after some googling also tried installing gspca), or it truly borked. (reading from /dev/video0 just returns a bunch of "pepepepepepepe" literally)... |
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| 11:53.04 | amphi | nice entropy |
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| 11:54.18 | masus | one last question :) when is it time for lenny ? |
| 11:54.21 | Bluechip | I have just built and tested php5-rrdtool ...people seem quite eager to obtain this (google->many forums, etc) ...Is there some way to release it properly, or is there some good reason why it has not been done before [it really wasn't that hard] |
| 11:54.25 | vyrgozunqk | well many people who use wine, does use oss i think, cause a lot of games have problems with alsa :) |
| 11:54.57 | abrotman | !tell masus about wwlr |
| 11:54.58 | wols_ | !tell masus about wwlr |
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| 11:55.15 | vyrgozunqk | !help |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | Bluechip: you could become the official maintainer if you like |
| 11:56.12 | Bluechip | dare I ask what dutues I commit to undertake before I say "yes" |
| 11:56.16 | Bluechip | *duties |
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| 11:57.00 | vyrgozunqk | the dutie to serve me :D |
| 11:57.06 | vyrgozunqk | (rofl) |
| 11:57.08 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: I know no one who uses wine ;) |
| 11:57.17 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
| 11:57.29 | Bluechip | cool: Yoo Bin Served vyrgozunqk |
| 11:57.44 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
| 11:57.47 | Bluechip | ;) |
| 11:57.51 | abrotman | !tell Bluechip about mentors |
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| 11:57.54 | abrotman | !tell Bluechip about mg |
| 11:57.59 | vyrgozunqk | amphi, i guess that i'm the first one :P |
| 11:58.08 | vyrgozunqk | and the others are coming ]:) |
| 11:58.27 | vyrgozunqk | a whole invasion of wine n00b users :D |
| 11:58.36 | abrotman | Bluechip: there is also a php packaging group |
| 11:59.05 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: I don't get your point - you think that because some people need/want snd-pcm-oss it should be automagically loaded by the default debian install? |
| 11:59.33 | vyrgozunqk | well i see that other distros do so, so why does not and debian :) |
| 11:59.34 | jelly | amphi: I thought it _was_ modprobed automatically! |
| 11:59.40 | vyrgozunqk | it could be a lot easier |
| 11:59.47 | amphi | jelly: not here |
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| 12:00.08 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: bah, why should I have a useless (to me) module loaded by default |
| 12:00.17 | amphi | vyrgozunqk: if you want it, modprobe it ;) |
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| 12:00.20 | Bluechip | Maybe it would be easier to pass my work on to an existing PHP maintainer ...I don't want to commit to doing a bunch of work I may not have time to keep up |
| 12:00.20 | vyrgozunqk | :D |
| 12:00.24 | Crypticfortune | vyrgozunqk: trying to get oss to play nicely on my system is a pain. wine works fine with alsa for me. |
| 12:00.38 | jelly | amphi: it is on my lenny thinkpad |
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| 12:01.11 | corp | what's the fastest way to find out whether a package exists for something on debian? |
| 12:01.18 | Bluechip | where can I find this "php packaging group"? |
| 12:01.22 | vyrgozunqk | Crypticfortune, alsa is a pain form me :/ , i can't even select it in winecfg... i already spoked with a few people in winehq, but no solution... |
| 12:01.27 | OpenTokix | corp: apt-cache search |
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| 12:01.40 | amphi | jelly: hmm - which tp, BTW? |
| 12:01.40 | Bluechip | corp: packages.debian.org ...search boxes near the bottom |
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| 12:01.53 | rush1 | is there any manual on creating deb packages? |
| 12:01.56 | corp | huh, looks like no package love |
| 12:02.05 | wols_ | !tell rush1 about nm |
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| 12:02.15 | Crypticfortune | corp: might also check out "apt-file find" if you know the name/path of the file you want to exist |
| 12:02.47 | abrotman | Bluechip: moment |
| 12:02.57 | Bluechip | ok |
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| 12:03.49 | abrotman | Bluechip: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/ http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-php-maint%40lists.alioth.debian.org pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 12:03.54 | abrotman | three different thigns there |
| 12:04.00 | masus | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/loNS8i12.html and how to find out on which directories is /dev/sda1 attached on a filesystem like this ? |
| 12:04.22 | abrotman | masus: look at / .. and see which aren't listed there |
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| 12:04.41 | masus | abrotman: hmm now i understand |
| 12:04.46 | abrotman | like /boot/ /bin/ /etc/ /sbin/ .. setc |
| 12:04.48 | abrotman | etc |
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| 12:06.15 | Bluechip | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:32.07 | marinosi | hello..If I have the source code of a project instead of the 'usual' way of make, could I build it as a debian package? |
| 12:32.47 | wols_ | marinosi: try checkinstall |
| 12:32.49 | wols_ | !checkinstall |
| 12:32.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 Ask me about <stow>. |
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| 12:34.59 | yang | beside dpkg-reconfigure locales what needs to be done to get things displayed in another language |
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| 12:38.11 | wols_ | yang: set the LANG env var |
| 12:39.15 | themill | dpkg: checkinstall =~ s/Not in etch because/Not in etch because of bug #281823/ |
| 12:39.16 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 12:39.30 | thisismyname | anyone had problems like this: |
| 12:39.41 | thisismyname | root:/somewhere/# apt-get install dpkgReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency tree... DoneThe following packages will be upgraded:dpkg1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 188 not upgraded.Need to get 0B/2348kB of archives.After unpacking 786kB of additional disk space will be used.dpkg: regarding .../dpkg_1.14.16.6ubuntu4_amd64.deb containing dpkg:package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkgdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/ |
| 12:39.41 | thisismyname | b (--unpack):unsupported dependency problem - not installing dpkgErrors were encountered while processing:/var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.16.6ubuntu4_amd64.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:39.43 | thisismyname | ? |
| 12:39.56 | themill | !paste |
| 12:39.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:40.10 | themill | thisismyname: that would be much easier to understand if you'd just pastebinned it. |
| 12:40.14 | wols_ | thisismyname: go to #ubuntu |
| 12:40.28 | themill | thisismyname: Oh, and you should be asking in #ubuntu. |
| 12:41.17 | thisismyname | i got a debian running, just ubuntu packets for a new dpkg |
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| 12:41.24 | liable | just so everyone soesnt have a freakout, there are actually a few debian packages with ubuntu in the version part of the package name |
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| 12:42.01 | liable | thisismyname: why on earth would you do that? |
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| 12:42.12 | abrotman | liable: dpkg isn't one of them |
| 12:42.22 | liable | abrotman: i didnt say it was |
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| 12:42.51 | liable | abrotman: i have seen people react like that previously though when it was the case |
| 12:42.58 | wols_ | thisismyname: mixing distros isn't supported here either |
| 12:43.44 | thisismyname | i dont mix anything... just the easiest way to get the new dpkg |
| 12:44.00 | wols_ | you mix debian and ubuntu. and this won't work or be supported |
| 12:44.04 | bolt-work | it's not easy if it breaks |
| 12:44.11 | themill | thisismyname: so what part of trying to install a ubuntu dpkg package into a debian system isn't mixing distros? |
| 12:44.15 | wols_ | you can do it but are on your own with all problems |
| 12:44.40 | thisismyname | ok... i hab that problem: |
| 12:44.41 | thisismyname | package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg |
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| 12:44.46 | thisismyname | with other packets |
| 12:44.50 | abrotman | thisismyname: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us that line |
| 12:44.58 | thisismyname | so... i googled out to update dpkg |
| 12:45.32 | thisismyname | ii libc6 2.7-10ubuntu4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:45.36 | thisismyname | ;) |
| 12:45.45 | wols_ | yay! go to #ubuntu |
| 12:45.46 | abrotman | thisismyname: go to #ubuntu |
| 12:45.46 | themill | thisismyname: time to go to #ubuntu then |
| 12:45.51 | thisismyname | oookay... |
| 12:46.13 | wols_ | probably not the first ubuntu package he installs |
| 12:46.14 | thisismyname | but dont hate me because of that ;) |
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| 12:46.24 | abrotman | thisismyname: just go to #ubuntu ... we don't support ubuntu here |
| 12:46.31 | wols_ | we don't have you. we ignore you |
| 12:46.38 | bolt-work | hates as well |
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| 12:46.44 | bolt-work | :) |
| 12:46.45 | themill | thisismyname: we also don't whatever frankenbuntu you've created. |
| 12:46.46 | liable | s/ignore/cant help/ |
| 12:46.48 | wols_ | abrotman: I bet he did install etch and got various ubuntu packages |
| 12:46.51 | wols_ | dpkg is from etch |
| 12:46.52 | dpkg | wols_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:46.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:48.01 | wols_ | if the ubuntu people find out what he did, they won't wupport him either. but it will take them a loooong time to check dpkg version |
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| 12:49.18 | abrotman | i don't see an etch dpkg .. but whatever |
| 12:49.23 | themill | wols_: how do you know that's etch's dpkg? Couldn't it just be an old ubuntu? |
| 12:49.46 | wols_ | unlikely. he does run debian or thinks he does rather |
| 12:50.15 | themill | well, he might just be a lying bastard too, since he claims not to be mixing distros too |
| 12:50.18 | wols_ | and it's the easiest way to fit what we know |
| 12:50.38 | wols_ | never attribute to malice what can be attribute to idiocy themill :) |
| 12:50.48 | themill | indeed ;( |
| 12:51.06 | wols_ | running ubuntu _and_ mixing versions there is too much of a stretch |
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| 12:51.27 | wols_ | and he says he want some new packages and google probably found him ubuntu links. he used them. it sorta worked and there it is |
| 12:51.38 | themill | sometimes life is less disturbing if you attribute it to malice rather than an overt failure of darwinism to weed out the stupid |
| 12:51.45 | Joelio | hey guys, does anyone have a good guide about setting up central authentication in debian.. preferably using Kerberos, but I'm open to other ideas |
| 12:52.14 | ingw3 | hello. have small question - i want to install debian 64bit... but not sure witch iso is correct. is it ia64 or amd64. p.s. i am installing on vmware host. |
| 12:52.36 | streuner_ | !ia64 |
| 12:52.37 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 12:53.27 | ingw3 | !amd64 |
| 12:53.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
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| 13:15.39 | OpenTokix | jelly: you want to mangle uids on the clients to match thoose on the server? |
| 13:16.38 | jelly | and vice versa, yeah |
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| 13:16.49 | OpenTokix | jelly: youc an mangle on the server, not onthe client |
| 13:17.02 | jelly | how? |
| 13:17.25 | OpenTokix | jelly: you can export like this: /exported/path network(rw,all_squash,anonuid=uidofchoice,anongid=uidofchoice,no_subtree_check) |
| 13:17.30 | EarLy | i can't connect to irc channels with debian. i've tried xchat and irssi. my firewall is disabled and i'm not using proxies. does anyone know what's going on? |
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| 13:17.40 | jelly | OpenTokix: what about non-anon users? |
| 13:17.50 | OpenTokix | EarLy: Maybe you are impatient and don't let the ident-check timeout? |
| 13:18.04 | OpenTokix | jelly: you can only squash to one uid or gid, and one can assume its anon |
| 13:18.23 | jelly | eh, that's not good enough |
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| 13:18.31 | OpenTokix | What do you wanna do? |
| 13:18.32 | EarLy | OpenTokix: ?? |
| 13:18.57 | jelly | OpenTokix: I want to map uid 811 on server to uid 1000 on a single client host |
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| 13:19.15 | EarLy | OpenTokix: i get the "connection timed out" error |
| 13:19.17 | OpenTokix | jelly: ok |
| 13:19.19 | jelly | idmapd(8) says it's NFSv4 |
| 13:20.13 | jelly | no v4 experience here |
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| 13:20.52 | OpenTokix | http://pwet.fr/man/linux/formats/exports <-- jelly maybe yo ucan find a solution with squash_uid? |
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| 13:22.15 | gribouille | hi |
| 13:22.27 | gribouille | when will the next debian be released ? |
| 13:22.35 | db_d | when its ready |
| 13:22.35 | OpenTokix | gribouille: when its done |
| 13:22.59 | gribouille | can't you estimate how long it will take ? |
| 13:23.05 | JuRiJ | Hi guys, I'm using Debian Lenny, and I'm going to buy a new PC ...but I'm not sure which graphics card should I get... can anyone help me? |
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| 13:23.18 | OpenTokix | gribouille: no |
| 13:23.51 | Tobias| | I've spent the last hour or so trying to get iwpriv working on my Zydas zd1211 (Wifi adapter) using the drivers from http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download -- however, when I type 'iwpriv wlan1' it throws me the message "wlan1 no private ioctls." |
| 13:24.06 | wols_ | JuRiJ: ##hardware |
| 13:24.17 | Tobias| | Could somebody help me work this out? This thing's driving me insane =[ |
| 13:24.29 | wols_ | Tobias|: debian has that driver |
| 13:24.49 | jelly | OpenTokix: my exports(5) looks rather different |
| 13:24.58 | OpenTokix | jelly: ok |
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| 13:25.19 | Tobias| | I used the netdisk, and it didn't seem to like it. lsmod | grep zd1211 returned nothing |
| 13:25.35 | wols_ | !tell Tobias| about zd1211 |
| 13:25.38 | wols_ | !tell Tobias| about zd1211rw |
| 13:25.44 | wols_ | 2nd one. first one is old |
| 13:25.49 | gribouille | how many bugs remain to be ironed out before releasing lenny ? |
| 13:26.08 | OpenTokix | gribouille: about 200 according to ./-news-post yesterday |
| 13:26.08 | stew | gribouille: somwhere between 100 and 200 |
| 13:26.22 | gribouille | where can I see the list ? |
| 13:27.11 | OpenTokix | gribouille: http://ostatic.com/173717-blog/release-critical-bugs-delay-release-of-debian-lenny |
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| 13:28.23 | stew | gribouille: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 13:28.34 | OpenTokix | gribouille: http://blog.schmehl.info//2008/10/07#releasing-lenny |
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| 13:28.48 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 13:29.08 | db_d | bugs.debian.org |
| 13:29.31 | gribouille | how many bugs are fixed each day (on average) ? |
| 13:30.36 | stew | gribouille: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 13:32.26 | Papillon | Saviez vous que debian c'est de la merde en boîte ? |
| 13:32.26 | wols_ | !fr |
| 13:32.26 | dpkg | fr is probably Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:32.26 | Papillon | wols_ et toi t'es un gros con :-) |
| 13:32.26 | wols_ | stew: can you please remove him? |
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| 13:32.32 | wols_ | thank you |
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| 13:32.59 | stew | de rien |
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| 13:34.04 | zep^ | pwned |
| 13:34.39 | liable | wtf? why the hell was that reason for a +b? |
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| 13:34.57 | wols_ | liable: brush up your french. |
| 13:35.08 | JuRiJ | wols_, noone is responding to my request in that channel :-/ |
| 13:35.31 | liable | wols_: i call you a grumpy bastard frequently. was it worse than that? |
| 13:35.34 | wols_ | !tell hugyup about hcl |
| 13:35.49 | wols_ | liable: calling debian shit and me a pig? |
| 13:36.28 | wols_ | and while I'm grumpy I don't taste as good as a pig |
| 13:36.33 | crashanddie | wols_, actually |
| 13:36.37 | crashanddie | wols_, he didn't say pig |
| 13:36.47 | liable | wols_: heh, well, its not nice, but i have certainly seen worse |
| 13:36.48 | wols_ | crashanddie: my french is rusty |
| 13:36.53 | crashanddie | wols_, he said quote, "big/fat idiot" |
| 13:37.06 | wols_ | crashanddie: that's actually close. but I'm NOT FAT! |
| 13:37.16 | crashanddie | big boned then |
| 13:37.24 | wols_ | neither |
| 13:37.35 | wols_ | 69kg |
| 13:37.39 | stew | can we please just let it be? |
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| 13:37.48 | crashanddie | pig is "cochon" or "porc" (actually, porc would be more akin to swine) |
| 13:38.06 | wols_ | stew: it's such a slow day here :( |
| 13:38.09 | antileet | Hi, I need a little help installing network support on debian |
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| 13:38.20 | antileet | I've been on ubuntu for two years now |
| 13:38.36 | antileet | All my hardware is supported perfectly, and I installed debian using debootstrap |
| 13:38.43 | wols_ | !enter |
| 13:38.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 13:39.06 | antileet | I can boot into debian, but my network isn't working. (okay, dpkg. I'll do that). I'm new to irc. |
| 13:39.17 | wols_ | antileet: what network card? |
| 13:39.37 | rwaite | hey--- guys... i, have; a. question |
| 13:39.59 | jelly | ... |
| 13:40.12 | wols_ | liable: I wasn't a basteard, was I? |
| 13:40.33 | liable | wols_: afraid so |
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| 13:41.30 | antileet | lspci says: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter (rev a0) [my network is failing on me :(] |
| 13:42.06 | jelly | antileet: uname -r ? |
| 13:42.07 | liable | wols_: seeing as i dont understand french, and i dont think one reply can be worthy of a ban unless its very very fucking abusive, i think the +b was unfair. but thats just me |
| 13:42.24 | antileet | 2.6.24-19-generic |
| 13:42.31 | jelly | antileet: that's not debian |
| 13:42.40 | liable | antileet: thats ubuntu, byebye |
| 13:42.45 | antileet | but the debian one is 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 13:42.47 | wols_ | !tell antileet about atl2 |
| 13:43.16 | wols_ | on debian he has no network.... hard to get help here when under debian for him |
| 13:43.29 | antileet | I'm currently chrooted to that install |
| 13:43.48 | liable | oh, well yes, atl2-modules is what you want |
| 13:43.50 | antileet | Can't I just copy my modules from /lib |
| 13:43.54 | wols_ | antileet: no |
| 13:43.55 | liable | the daily installers have this fixed |
| 13:44.17 | wols_ | antileet: right now you have a network so you can install it |
| 13:44.30 | stew | liable: it's a repeat offender who has never once been on topic, and speaks french even though it has the ability to speak english. there is no reason to keep it voiced here |
| 13:44.31 | antileet | Okay, so do I just install atl2 modules package and it's done? |
| 13:44.34 | liable | antileet: is it an eee? |
| 13:44.38 | jelly | antileet: no, since they are different builds and versions. what you could do is copy all of the kernel and modules, and set up the boot loader to boot ubuntu kernel |
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| 13:45.01 | jelly | but since there's a way to get the debian kernel working, it's better to use that |
| 13:45.03 | wols_ | jelly: do not suggest such utterly foolish things especially not for this problem |
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| 13:45.16 | liable | stew: ok. i didnt have anything in my backlog and my memory didnt recall it |
| 13:45.21 | antileet | Hmmm, I installed the atl2-modules package to match my kernel |
| 13:45.27 | suw_ro | hello |
| 13:45.35 | antileet | But this is from my debootstrap install, which seems to work fine |
| 13:45.45 | jelly | wols_: using a kernel form other distor isn't utterly foolish IMHO, and I said it's better to go the other route |
| 13:45.53 | wols_ | antileet: sure, you need to test when booting debian |
| 13:45.53 | suw_ro | anyone know where to get the patch for fglrx - to compile on 2.6.27 kernel? |
| 13:46.00 | jelly | wols_: kernels are supposed to be interchangeable |
| 13:46.07 | wols_ | jelly: mixing distros. the end |
| 13:46.10 | f00li5h | paws at jelly |
| 13:46.24 | jelly | wols_: NO. using a different kernel != hosing your distor |
| 13:46.38 | antileet | Okay, the packages are installed. Here I go :) |
| 13:46.46 | wols_ | so using a package from ubuntu isn't mixing distros. novel concept |
| 13:46.52 | suw_ro | antileet: what patches? |
| 13:46.57 | jelly | wols_: package? |
| 13:47.13 | wols_ | jelly: my kernels come in deb packages. yours? |
| 13:47.14 | jelly | wols_: "copy all of the kernel and modules" != install package |
| 13:47.22 | suw_ro | fglrx wont compile on 2.6.27 need patches - anyone? |
| 13:47.45 | wols_ | suw_ro: usual for fglrx. ask ati |
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| 13:47.55 | suw_ro | wols_: ah - ok thank you |
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| 13:48.56 | wols_ | suw_ro: maybe check #ati |
| 13:49.16 | liable | should be trying the new radeon drivers |
| 13:49.31 | james91dean | hiya, anyone know about RAID scrubbing, got worried |
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| 13:51.44 | jelly | james91dean: "scrubbing", like http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_Install_on_Software_RAID#Data_Scrubbing ? |
| 13:51.52 | james91dean | yep |
| 13:51.59 | dustybin | is it possible that black hat hackers might have unreleased exploits on various services like SSH what nobody knows abouts? |
| 13:52.04 | james91dean | does Debian Etch do it automatically? |
| 13:52.26 | wols_ | dustybin: that always is possible |
| 13:52.30 | james91dean | more than possible |
| 13:52.31 | dustybin | eek |
| 13:52.50 | wols_ | dustybin: it's true for any software out there. every last one of them |
| 13:52.51 | jelly | james91dean: /etc/cron.d/mdadm -> schedules periodic redundancy checks of MD devices |
| 13:52.55 | james91dean | if it's an inside job, but i'd have thought unlikely |
| 13:52.55 | dustybin | indeed |
| 13:53.22 | james91dean | does that include scrubbing / parity checking the disks for problems? |
| 13:53.24 | jelly | dustybin: how paranoid are you? |
| 13:53.38 | dustybin | im not paranoid, just interested :) |
| 13:53.43 | james91dean | not nearly enough dustybin ;-) |
| 13:53.52 | jelly | james91dean: you'll have to read the script run there, I'm afraid; I didn't look into it |
| 13:54.34 | james91dean | ok, i've posted on the debian forum, hopefully someone will get back to me on that one, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=181961#181961 |
| 13:54.54 | james91dean | does sound slightly scary if left unchecked |
| 13:55.40 | jelly | then someone else will have to read the script for you |
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| 13:57.30 | bartden | hi, is it possible to connect to a linux X Server from windows box so i have the x server and its windowmanager and desktop manager in a windox |
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| 13:58.07 | SlayerXP | bartden: yes, cygwin |
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| 13:58.25 | jelly | bartden: connect to a running X session, or open a new one? |
| 13:58.57 | bartden | both |
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| 13:59.40 | james91dean | i'll try it out on my home box before i do it on the production one |
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| 14:01.06 | jelly | bartden: for the former, you can use x11vnc server and connect via vnc. for the latter, you can use an X server for windows like xming, cygwin/x or a commercial one and enable remote X on the debian machine |
| 14:02.01 | jelly | dpkg, xming is a free X server for MS Windows, http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming; no cygwin dependency like Cygwin/X |
| 14:02.02 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 14:02.28 | jelly | SlayerXP probably meant cygwin/x |
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| 14:03.47 | bartden | ok thx jelly |
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| 14:05.36 | EarLy | i can't connect to irc channels with debian. i've tried xchat and irssi. my firewall is disabled and i'm not using proxies. does anyone know what's going on? |
| 14:05.47 | jelly | bartden: there are other options like nx / freenx, non-free but possibly more user-friendly. Haven't tried it. |
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| 14:06.04 | Eulex | EarLy, can you connect to irc servers? |
| 14:06.27 | EarLy | Eulex: ya, servers i mean |
| 14:06.42 | jelly | james91dean: if you have mdadm installed, the cron job is probably already running |
| 14:06.45 | EarLy | typo |
| 14:07.03 | Eulex | EarLy, can you telnet to port 6667 on an irc server? |
| 14:07.28 | jelly | james91dean: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm will ask you again about it |
| 14:08.46 | EarLy | Eulex: nope |
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| 14:10.41 | nfi|ermes | where can i put my init script other then rcX.d ? |
| 14:10.44 | james91dean | thanks, gotta dash |
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| 14:11.09 | Eulex | EarLy, does telnet irc.freenode.org 8000 work? |
| 14:11.14 | grabur | help setting up 2 ethernet cards? interfaces config, if I have eth0 on my lan with a gateway and eth1 with an IP that is port forwarded to from a seperate router (for isolated apache) do I need two gateways? can I have two default gateways (does that make sense?) will debian just work it out? |
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| 14:11.38 | jelly | EarLy: can you at least resolve "irc.freenode.org"? |
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| 14:12.18 | Eulex | oh, yeah, of course |
| 14:12.40 | jelly | EarLy: getent hosts irc.freenode.org |
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| 14:13.06 | jelly | Eulex: that's why an error message is better than "nope" |
| 14:13.26 | grabur | I am not using the two ethernet cards in a natted system or as a firewall, they are different networks |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | grabur: two gateways .. only one is default |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | or ask #networking |
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| 14:14.30 | jelly | grabur: do _not_ put two "gateway" entries in /e/n/interfaces unless you know what you're doing |
| 14:15.52 | grabur | okay, that makes sense, but if eth1 is gets a request from the router will it respond, i.e a web page, without the second gateway |
| 14:16.19 | jelly | grabur: all the traffic that needs to be routed will go out the default gatway |
| 14:16.54 | grabur | if eth1 is on a different network, will it be autmatically bridged to the default gateway? |
| 14:16.59 | jelly | that is, eth1 will only serve for the traffic on that local man |
| 14:17.01 | suw_ro | i dont get it - why ubuntu fglrx works on 2.6.27 and debian dont... |
| 14:17.02 | jelly | lan* |
| 14:17.14 | jelly | suw_ro: they fixed it? |
| 14:17.32 | suw_ro | jelly: It seems so - I download ibex to take a look. |
| 14:18.11 | grabur | so if eth1 has a request, I'd rather it route out through the router it is connected to, if that is the correct parlance? |
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| 14:18.39 | grabur | something like eth1 routes through this gateway, eth0 routes through hdefault gateway |
| 14:18.49 | jelly | grabur: that's not easy to do |
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| 14:19.24 | funyun | Eulex: sorry about that. no, i can't telnet to 6667 |
| 14:19.38 | jelly | grabur: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:19.41 | grabur | interesting! thanks though, will eth1 on different subnet to eth0 work out how to route through default gateway if default gateway on different subnet? |
| 14:19.57 | Eulex | funyun, what happens? did you try jelly's suggestion? |
| 14:20.01 | jelly | grabur: "eth1" won't route anything, the kernel will. |
| 14:20.05 | jelly | ;-) |
| 14:20.25 | funyun | Eulex: i didn't see it? |
| 14:21.03 | Eulex | funyun, he suggested getent hosts irc.freenode.org to see whether your dns server works as expected |
| 14:21.23 | jelly | funyun: show us the output of "getent hosts irc.freenode.org" |
| 14:22.00 | jelly | you ought to get at least one line like "140.211.166.3 chat.freenode.net irc.freenode.org chat.freenode.org" |
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| 14:22.49 | funyun | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1226862 |
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| 14:23.25 | jelly | funyun: ok, that means your dns works |
| 14:24.13 | Eulex | funyun, so, what happens when you attempt to telnet to it on port 6667? if that doesn't work, does port 8000? |
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| 14:27.05 | funyun | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1226866 |
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| 14:27.36 | Eulex | funyun, so 8000 works very well, but 6667 doesn't? |
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| 14:28.29 | hg87_ | hello |
| 14:28.35 | jelly | funyun: Connected to chat.freenode.net. [...] Escape character is '^]'. -- this means telnet succeeded and a TCP connection is established; the lines below that are IRC protocol |
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| 14:28.45 | jelly | "it worked" |
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| 14:29.10 | funyun | yes. 8000 works |
| 14:29.27 | Eulex | but connecting to 6667 never completes? |
| 14:29.44 | funyun | nope |
| 14:30.39 | abrotman | soundsl ike your ISP hates irc :) |
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| 14:31.58 | Eulex | or anything between your computer and the rest of the internet |
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| 14:35.21 | Joelio | hey guys, does anyone have a good guide about setting up central authentication in debian.. preferably using Kerberos, but I'm open to other ideas |
| 14:35.40 | funyun | so there's no way around this problem? |
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| 14:43.19 | abrotman | funyun: connect to port 8000 |
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| 14:43.32 | grabur | thanks jely |
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| 14:43.55 | karlpinc | Joelio : There's also ldap. |
| 14:44.08 | funyun | abrotman: the server i need irc for doesn't work on port 8000 |
| 14:44.14 | abrotman | funyun: ah .. |
| 14:44.31 | ingw3 | hello first time isue... I just installed debian 64bit on vmware host. setuped openssh-server... and i cant login from remote pc - password gets rejected. in logs nothing special... anybody knows why? |
| 14:44.36 | Outlaw84 | is there some way to get the boot up process to better utilize dual-core |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | Outlaw84: there have been a few things google "linux parallel boot" |
| 14:45.12 | Eulex | funyun, apparently something in between your computer and the internet is blocking port 6667. if you can find it and disable that, you can fix it. if it's your ISP doing this, you're prolly pretty SOL |
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| 14:46.05 | si1ver1ock | abrotman: i apologize for my behavior the other day it was wrong and i am sorry. |
| 14:46.14 | funyun | Eulex: it's not my isp. i know a few people with the same isp and they've told me irc works fine for them |
| 14:46.14 | jelly | funyun: if you're at work, this could be a company policy in effect |
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| 14:46.41 | Eulex | funyun, are other computers on the same network able to connect to irc? |
| 14:46.55 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
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| 14:48.02 | Eulex | abrotman, apparently he's sorry. you should be glad, most people who yield !ops aren't :) |
| 14:48.14 | funyun | Eulex: yes. i'm now talking with one who said he had the same problem. brb |
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| 14:48.32 | Outlaw84 | abrotman: thanks. I tried to search for "linux boot dualcore" but got most hits about dualbooting :D |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | Outlaw84: did you find something ? |
| 14:48.59 | abrotman | Outlaw84: there's a program in debian/experimental called upstart IIRC |
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| 14:49.19 | jelly | funyun: installing tcptraceroute and doing "tcptraceroute irc.freenode.org 6667" might be fun, if not useful |
| 14:50.24 | Outlaw84 | abrotman: I found a few thing, will try them out later |
| 14:51.18 | Outlaw84 | abrotman: Since i got the PS3 which boots in like 5 sec (not linux but still) my computers 40 sek boot up feels really slow |
| 14:51.48 | ewet | hello, one question concerning kontakt: whenever I restart kontact _all_ split-bars are reset to the most useless positions. is there any way to tell kontakt to friggin save this friggin positions?! 'cause I becoming mad about it - _really_! :-/ |
| 14:55.09 | abrotman | Outlaw84: a friend of mine got the acer one .. it boots in like 12 seconds |
| 14:56.34 | jelly | Outlaw84: there is work done to boot faster, still not in debian, but... http://lwn.net/Articles/299546/ |
| 14:56.57 | Hiall | silly question.. i have googled but how do i check what distro/version my webhost is running in ssh? :S |
| 14:57.42 | jelly | Outlaw84: and the full article here http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ |
| 14:57.47 | jelly | !version |
| 14:57.48 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 14:58.01 | jelly | Hiall: what dpkg said ^^ |
| 14:58.05 | Hiall | thanks ;) |
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| 15:03.51 | xann | Hi, I set the new date with the date commando, is this a permanent change or does debian resets this when rebooting? |
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| 15:04.35 | Chrom_ | xand: it is written in the mobo eprom |
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| 15:04.52 | Chrom_ | if the battery of your motherboard is good, the setting is permanent |
| 15:04.59 | joltcan | xann: I can recommend a ntp solution anyway |
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| 15:06.24 | xann | ok thanks |
| 15:07.48 | maligor | Chrom_, you mean volatile :P |
| 15:07.58 | maligor | it's not like the date stays the same |
| 15:08.20 | Chrom_ | maligor: hehe |
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| 15:09.49 | Chrom_ | xand: as joltcan sais, if you want reliable date you can apt-get install ntpdate and use ntpdate-debian in a cron job |
| 15:09.57 | xand | Chrom_: not me. |
| 15:10.17 | Chrom_ | xand: not what? |
| 15:10.26 | xand | Chrom_: you keep talking to me for some reason. |
| 15:10.31 | xand | I never asked anything |
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| 15:10.47 | joltcan | :) |
| 15:10.51 | Chrom_ | xand: ooops sorry, it's my name autocomplete |
| 15:10.57 | xann | xand: you're nick looks similar to mine, that's why Chrom_ is confused :p |
| 15:10.58 | joltcan | Where is AI tabcomplete when you need it |
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| 15:12.56 | jelly | /nick xanadu |
| 15:15.04 | themill | suggests UUIDs for people on #debian as an extension to his "UUIDs instead of software names" scheme, |
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| 15:15.16 | jelly | prefers labels |
| 15:15.25 | enouf | smuckers? |
| 15:15.37 | jelly | themill: I am not a number, I'm a free man! |
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| 15:16.32 | themill | !label jelly |
| 15:16.32 | dpkg | pulls out a roll of sticky labels, writes "kick me" on them and sticks them all over jelly |
| 15:16.34 | jelly | nb, Windows world already has uuids for services, app<->mime bindings, etc |
| 15:16.57 | jescis | Hello akk. I was looking for an iso of debian for the m68k and can't seem to see where to dl it from. |
| 15:17.06 | jescis | all* |
| 15:17.08 | jelly | makes themill boot 45243532-5454-3453-45345533-00031337 |
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| 15:17.18 | stew | calling them uuids instead of guids is imo naive |
| 15:17.37 | jelly | stew: there's a difference? |
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| 15:17.43 | themill | jelly: UUIDs aren't numbers... they have letters too! You're not just a number! |
| 15:17.55 | enouf | universally is silly, yeah |
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| 15:18.10 | stew | jelly: no, other than one is claiming to be unique in the universe, the other is claiming to be unique on this planet |
| 15:18.11 | jelly | themill: they're numbers too. digits. |
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| 15:18.17 | enouf | i like unique user i d instead :-P |
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| 15:18.33 | jelly | stew: oh, so MS is not Mars-compliant? |
| 15:18.40 | themill | there are enough of them to be universally unique, there's just no attempt to make sure there are no clashes. |
| 15:18.48 | jelly | at least they're humble enough |
| 15:18.48 | enouf | it is Moon-shod however :-p |
| 15:18.55 | stew | just wait until some alien shows up from some other galaxy, and plugs in a USB drive to your machine and fstab doesn't know which to mount |
| 15:18.58 | stew | don't come crying to me |
| 15:19.03 | themill | heh |
| 15:19.04 | enouf | haha |
| 15:19.25 | themill | stew: should it be GSB rather than USB? |
| 15:19.27 | enouf | happens atleast twice a day here |
| 15:19.30 | jescis | is there a debian 68k channel? |
| 15:19.30 | jelly | stew: this _will_ pose problems come the independence day |
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| 15:19.43 | stew | themill: yes! |
| 15:19.50 | beardy | Which globe? |
| 15:20.01 | beardy | ESB. |
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| 15:20.06 | themill | stew: because if it's GSB then the alien won't have the right plug so you'll be safe. |
| 15:20.08 | stew | jescis: #debian-68k on irc.debian.org |
| 15:20.19 | jescis | ah |
| 15:20.46 | jescis | so where can I find an ISO of it? |
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| 15:21.48 | stew | jescis: http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ |
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| 15:25.05 | jescis | stew, I saw no link to download it on that page. |
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| 15:26.05 | themill | jescis: link under "status": "The Debian-installer port to the m68k architecture." |
| 15:26.16 | stew | jescis: it links to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/M68k which links to http://people.debian.org/~smarenka/d-i/m68k/cds/daily/ |
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| 15:30.50 | theholyduck | whats the name of that tool that you run instead of make to create a .deb? |
| 15:30.56 | theholyduck | err |
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| 15:30.58 | theholyduck | instead of make insttall |
| 15:31.02 | theholyduck | *install |
| 15:31.42 | theholyduck | ahh. checkinstall |
| 15:31.43 | theholyduck | sorry |
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| 15:32.52 | abrotman | glad we could help |
| 15:32.54 | pumpkin0 | i have a for-loop in bash counting a variable from 1 to 1000. But i need 0001 for 1, 0002 for 2,... how can i format the int? |
| 15:33.07 | suw | hello |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | pumpkin0: #bash |
| 15:33.35 | themill | pumpkin0: help printf |
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| 15:33.52 | suw | fglrx is working on 2.6.27 - ubuntu - ibex livesesion |
| 15:34.00 | pumpkin0 | themill: thanks. |
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| 15:34.16 | abrotman | pumpkin0: man seq is easier |
| 15:34.19 | suw | it seems they have managed to patch the kernel fglrx sources |
| 15:34.36 | petemc | suw: not by default, you need an older version of xorg than ibex has |
| 15:34.54 | suw | petemc: I ran ibex from livecd right now... |
| 15:34.56 | petemc | suw: also, this is #debian, try #ubuntu |
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| 15:35.05 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: yes, but i have to rewrite the loop in that case... |
| 15:35.26 | suw | no: I've questioned about fglrx ubuntu just a few minutes ago (kinda half hour) |
| 15:35.31 | suw | sorry |
| 15:35.35 | suw | not ubuntu - debian :) |
| 15:36.12 | abrotman | pumpkin0: how hard could it be? |
| 15:36.29 | suw | the debate was that neither ubuntu fixed that... |
| 15:36.30 | themill | abrotman: other parts of the loop might assume it's a bare integer |
| 15:36.35 | abrotman | pumpkin0: for i in $(seq -w 1 1000) ? |
| 15:36.44 | abrotman | themill: that's crazy talk |
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| 15:38.12 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the files read are numbered f1.csv, f2.csv,.... i have to swap , and . And the tool processing them later wants f00001.csv... So, yes, themill is right. |
| 15:38.26 | abrotman | pumpkin0: that's dirty! |
| 15:38.34 | abrotman | pumpkin0: maybe man rename owuld be easier? |
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| 15:39.02 | E-XtraCt | how can i know what debian version installed on my box ?" |
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| 15:39.22 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: i try to simplify the script, not make it ... interessting. |
| 15:39.23 | themill | !version |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 15:39.31 | sharp15 | what do the virtualbox-modules packages provide? do i choose the package matching my host platform or the emulation target? |
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| 15:40.42 | jelly | sharp15: host, kernel module |
| 15:40.59 | sharp15 | jelly: so choose the host platform. |
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| 15:44.49 | jthomas | Anyone familiar with ATI graphics cards? I am looking at getting one that is better than my integrated x200 and I want to run Free drivers; this page http://linux.die.net/man/4/radeon lists many chipsets but none of the cards I am looking at describe themselves as using 'RS300' or whatever |
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| 15:45.45 | sharp15 | jthomas: the R300 name is the ATI/AMD chipset used. |
| 15:45.47 | jelly | jthomas: the "whatever" is important ;-) |
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| 15:45.58 | afloofloo | ia64 or amd64 for xeon cpu machine? |
| 15:46.02 | jthomas | exactly, but none of the cards are advertized that way |
| 15:46.08 | jelly | afloofloo: amd64 |
| 15:46.13 | sharp15 | jthomas: i.e. x300 cards are R375. i think. |
| 15:46.14 | jthomas | so how would i know which chipset is used? |
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| 15:47.12 | mac123 | I have a directory I want to be shared by every user. the directory should be visible in all users accounts, but those are chrooted. So, how to have the content of directory visible in these accounts? |
| 15:47.28 | jthomas | so for example, would this be supported by the Free Radeon drivers? http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0287926 |
| 15:47.44 | afloofloo | isnt that a bit counter intuitive? amd64 on an intel cpu? |
| 15:48.22 | jthomas | amd64 is any x86_64 since amd created the standard |
| 15:48.39 | afloofloo | so what is this ia64 thing i downloaded then? |
| 15:48.44 | jthomas | like x86 is intel86 even if amd fabricated the chip |
| 15:48.45 | sharp15 | jthomas: i'm not sure. look at the amd website? also chipset may be the wrong word. |
| 15:48.58 | jelly | afloofloo: amd invented and implemented the 64-bit extensions, and Debian took up on that label before an agnostic x86-64 was thought of |
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| 15:49.07 | jelly | afloofloo: ia64 is not for you |
| 15:49.26 | jelly | you can safely delete it |
| 15:49.39 | wols_ | jthomas: look in wikipedia |
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| 15:50.26 | jelly | jthomas: /msg dpkg ia64 |
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| 15:50.57 | jelly | argh |
| 15:51.08 | jelly | afloofloo: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 15:51.12 | afloofloo | ty |
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| 15:51.46 | sharp15 | jthomas: you might get more info about which card uses which chip in #radeon,#radeonhd or #ati |
| 15:52.07 | patter | or if the card's already installed, run 'lspci' |
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| 15:53.40 | sharp15 | patter: i don't see the r375 entry in my lspci or lspci -v. |
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| 15:54.32 | patter | there's "lspci -vv" gets a bit more information |
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| 15:54.45 | wols_ | sharp15: lspci |grep VGA |
| 15:56.56 | enouf | oh, hehe, and i'm answering jthomas on oftc.net .. .bah |
| 15:57.11 | wols_ | :( |
| 15:57.12 | sharp15 | wols_: it says i have an " VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]" nothing about r3... |
| 15:57.42 | theholyduck | sharp15, then wikipedia or google that |
| 15:57.49 | theholyduck | or go on the radeonhd websites |
| 15:57.54 | theholyduck | and they have lists of what models == what chipset |
| 15:58.09 | enouf | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 15:58.10 | sharp15 | jthomas: ^ |
| 15:58.47 | sharp15 | theholyduck: thank you. i will need that information in the future. |
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| 15:59.27 | dqn | question - I have a program (mecab) which only works with the "eucjp" encoding but my terminal is utf8. how can I "convert" everything that comes to stdin from utf8 to eucjp, and for stdout from eucjp to utf8? iconv buffers the output and I want to use the application interactively |
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| 16:00.40 | enouf | man radeon works for me :-P |
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| 16:03.06 | keith4 | in 'top', what is the "%wa" number indicative of? |
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| 16:04.00 | enouf | dqn: i have no idea - might be some info http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/learn/learn_to_type.html or even http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/learn/learn-to-test.html |
| 16:04.13 | enouf | wait |
| 16:04.29 | stew | keith4: threads waiting for io to complete (in the D state) |
| 16:04.50 | themill | dqn: the mecab website reports a compile option that makes mecab use utf-8 instead. Perhaps that would be worth pursuing. |
| 16:05.08 | dqn | enouf: well thanks |
| 16:05.24 | stew | keith4: in general when %wa starts getting big, it means "your disks are the bottleneck" |
| 16:05.32 | dqn | themill: yeah I checked it already, but I don't really want to recompie |
| 16:05.50 | dqn | themill: I need mecab to be working in both utf-8 and shift-jis |
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| 16:06.33 | themill | eww what a horrid build system |
| 16:07.02 | dqn | yeah there should be some option for i/o encoding I guess |
| 16:07.33 | dqn | there's a program called nkf which people seem to use for things like this but couldn't get too far with it either |
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| 16:14.02 | somenick | hi |
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| 16:14.13 | sjokkis | hi. i'm trying to use vpnc, but it keeps telling me that the device "wlan0" doesn't exist. this used to be the name of my wireless interface, but for some reason it has been renamed. i can't figure out where to chance what interface vpnc tries to use. can anyone help me? |
| 16:14.16 | reaze | how do i check if a dirctory is a working copy or not? |
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| 16:14.19 | reaze | i wanna know if i ran export or checked it out |
| 16:14.40 | reaze | sjokkis: check iwconfi |
| 16:14.43 | reaze | iwconfig |
| 16:14.51 | reaze | it will tell you the name of your wireless card |
| 16:15.00 | sjokkis | reaze: i'm using my wireless card |
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| 16:15.06 | sjokkis | but vpnc seems to look for it under the old name |
| 16:15.13 | reaze | yes |
| 16:15.16 | reaze | so put iwconfig |
| 16:15.22 | reaze | it will tell you the real name |
| 16:15.34 | reaze | then point vpnc to that |
| 16:15.42 | sjokkis | i know the new name. i just can't find where vpnc is told to look for the old name |
| 16:15.44 | somenick | I got a problem using the testing distribution -- for some reason the X server doesn't show anything - and if it's running I can't switch to any virtual terminal - the computer however stays responsive, thous if I press the powerbutton it shut downs properly -- got the same issue using ubuntu or slax :( |
| 16:15.47 | reaze | oh vpnc, i thought it said vnc |
| 16:15.49 | sjokkis | i can't find that configuration setting |
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| 16:16.02 | themill | reaze: there will be a .svn or a .cvs or whatever directory in a working copy but not in a checkout |
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| 16:16.16 | somenick | (etch worked fine) |
| 16:16.17 | themill | s/checkout/export/ |
| 16:16.17 | reaze | themill: oh |
| 16:16.22 | reaze | sweet |
| 16:16.32 | reaze | so which one is what |
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| 16:16.50 | valdyn | somenick: try plugging the monitor into the 2nd vga port of your gfx card |
| 16:16.56 | themill | reaze: take a random guess, based on what checkout and export are supposed to do |
| 16:17.14 | reaze | well export only exports it, so it does not check it out |
| 16:17.27 | reaze | but how that is linked to a directory name i do not know. |
| 16:17.32 | somenick | valdyn: it's a laptop |
| 16:17.40 | reaze | i am quite the noob at subversion |
| 16:17.42 | somenick | valdyn: guess it's no "mode not support" setting |
| 16:17.51 | somenick | valdyn: I'm using the same xorg.conf as before :( |
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| 16:17.56 | jelly | sjokkis: that's interesting, I don't see why vpnc would care about the physical card name. You didn't mistakenly put it in the vpn connection config file (/etc/vpnc/blah.conf)? |
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| 16:18.07 | somenick | s/setting/issure |
| 16:18.12 | somenick | issue :/ ... |
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| 16:18.34 | reaze | themill: thanks though, i appriciate it |
| 16:18.38 | themill | reaze: export doesn't include .svn directories, checkout will. Export is designed to give you a final copy for non-version controlled distribution (e.g. making a tarball) |
| 16:18.46 | sjokkis | jelly: no. nothing in there about wlan0 |
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| 16:18.50 | superbobyx_14 | ciao a tt |
| 16:18.52 | themill | reaze: do you have a copy or have you read the red-bean svn book? |
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| 16:19.05 | somenick | valdyn: it got a vga-out however, maybe I should try that :o ? |
| 16:19.06 | reaze | no i have not |
| 16:19.25 | reaze | i will go look for it :) thank you themill |
| 16:19.27 | themill | reaze: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 16:19.35 | reaze | ^^ |
| 16:19.42 | reaze | cheers |
| 16:20.05 | sjokkis | jelly: i'm stumped here |
| 16:20.13 | jelly | sjokkis: does anything in your route table still refer to it? |
| 16:20.30 | somenick | Xorg.0.log also shows no errors or warnings (just some *font x not found warnings*) |
| 16:20.31 | jelly | route -n |
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| 16:20.41 | sjokkis | jelly: no, everything refers to the new name, "wlan0_rename" |
| 16:20.48 | sjokkis | honestly not sure why my interface is named that |
| 16:21.00 | jelly | sjokkis: no idea. tried rebooting yet? :-) |
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| 16:21.12 | stew | sjokkis: becuase udev tried to rename your interface, and ran into a conflict, /msg dpkg z25 |
| 16:21.38 | somenick | maybe it's possible to downgrade the xserver ? |
| 16:22.04 | sjokkis | stew: wlan0_rename isn't mentioned there. only eth0 and eth1 |
| 16:22.06 | themill | sjokkis: is this an intel 3945 device and you've recently upgraded your kernel? |
| 16:22.17 | sjokkis | in fact, wlan0_rename is eth0 |
| 16:22.30 | sjokkis | themill: no, this is a shitty broadcom device |
| 16:23.02 | sjokkis | stew: should i just change that file to whatever names i want, or would that cause headaches? |
| 16:23.13 | themill | sjokkis: ahh... it's just a common problem for ipw3945->iwl3945. never mind then |
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| 16:23.28 | sjokkis | thanks for the suggestion anyway, themill |
| 16:23.54 | jelly | themill: the card magically changes its macaddr? |
| 16:23.54 | stew | sjokkis: does the mac address for eth0 or eth1 in that file match wlan0? |
| 16:24.23 | themill | jelly: no the driver changes from wanting ethX to wlanX and all hell breaks loose in the process. Blame udev, the usual. |
| 16:24.48 | cahoot | sjokkis: my broadcom wlan outperforms my intel3945 by a large margin - so they're not all so 'shitty' |
| 16:25.17 | dustybin | are there any decent linux clients what can access windows remote desktop? |
| 16:25.25 | sjokkis | stew: i don't know what MAC wlan0 has, but the entry for eth0 matches wlan0_rename |
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| 16:25.43 | sjokkis | wlan0 doesn't exist anymore. but i've always had the same wireless device, so i presume wlan0 would have had the same mac |
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| 16:26.08 | stew | sjokkis: does "ifconfig -a" currently list another interface besides wlan0_rename? |
| 16:26.12 | cahoot | sjokkis: no complaints about firmware in dmesg? |
| 16:27.44 | sjokkis | stew: dummy0, eth0 (which would be the same as wlan0_rename, but it's listed with a mac that's twice as long. same mac, only with 00 in between), eth1, lo and wlan0_rename |
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| 16:28.31 | sjokkis | cahoot: not really. some complaints from the wireless device about timeouts from earlier. nothing related |
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| 16:29.22 | stew | sjokkis: right, so the problem is that becuase of that file you were looking at, udev is trying to rename your wlan0 to eth0, however, there is already another card named eth0, it got confused and stopped |
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| 16:30.12 | sjokkis | i'm not sure. wlan0_rename has mac 00:14:a4:0a:2a:4b, eth0 has mac 00-14-A4-0A-2A-4B-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
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| 16:30.34 | Nitr0 | is there a EU mirror for security.debian.org ? |
| 16:30.34 | sjokkis | and it's padded with zeroes, as you can see. i said wrong earlier |
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| 16:30.58 | sjokkis | that's how they appear in ifconfig |
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| 16:31.43 | themill | Nitr0: there is no security mirror but there are several machines that work on dns round robbin |
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| 16:33.17 | sjokkis | stew: what do you suggest i do to fix this? |
| 16:33.55 | stew | sjokkis: make sure that each card has distinct entries with distinct names in that file |
| 16:34.06 | stew | oh, they are the same, wierd |
| 16:34.33 | sjokkis | stew: my udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules only has two entries. one for ethernet and one for wlan |
| 16:34.37 | sjokkis | they are distinct |
| 16:35.55 | stew | sjokkis: the other option is to turn off the persisten naming in udev |
| 16:36.27 | sjokkis | good thing? |
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| 16:40.58 | mac123 | hi i have created a symbolic link is there a way to undo the symbolic link created |
| 16:41.04 | sjokkis | unlink |
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| 16:42.03 | mac123 | unlink how can i have the syntax |
| 16:42.52 | theholyduck | use man? |
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| 16:47.11 | dqn | can I use iconv "interactively"? ie it doesn't wait for end of file/string, only converts every line as it comes in? |
| 16:47.17 | dqn | (I need this for logs) |
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| 16:48.59 | dqn | I'm talking about piping output from a program into iconv in bash |
| 16:50.07 | themill | dqn: You might want to try some other wrapper around the iconv libraries such as the iconv modules for perl. |
| 16:50.12 | themill | judd: versions libtext-iconv-perl |
| 16:50.13 | judd | themill: libtext-iconv-perl: 1.4-3 (etch) 1.7-1+b1 (lenny) 1.7-1+b1 (sid) |
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| 16:54.43 | dqn | themill: oh I see |
| 16:54.57 | dqn | that's a good idea actually |
| 16:55.20 | themill | of course! |
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| 16:55.36 | themill | dqn: you might actually eliminate bash from the sequence and do everything just in perl -- see how you go. |
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| 16:56.51 | dustybin | my firewall supports openVPN, to secure my wireless from my LAN, do you think its a good idea to use VPN? |
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| 16:57.19 | db_d | dustybin: sure. |
| 16:57.36 | dustybin | db_d: would using VPN slow everything down |
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| 16:58.00 | enouf | dustybin: you want to secure your LAN from itself? |
| 16:58.02 | db_d | and. you said secure. |
| 16:58.14 | dustybin | enouf: secure LAN from wireless |
| 16:58.33 | enouf | dustybin: wired/wireless is not LAN/WAN related - is it? |
| 16:58.33 | dustybin | wireless inside DMZ, with 1 port access to my servers VPN service |
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| 16:59.45 | yogahnee | hi I want run a firefox on my dedicated server and run it through ssh, what packets do I need to install on the server, is X-Server necessary? |
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| 17:00.13 | themill | o-O |
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| 17:00.29 | dustybin | o_0 |
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| 17:00.50 | stew | yogahnee: not an xserver: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:01.04 | ^shark_ | ok i installed squid using the package and would like to add it to the init.d script but dont know how |
| 17:01.05 | ^shark_ | any advice |
| 17:01.17 | _Sam-- | update-rc.d ? |
| 17:01.18 | Pulpie | anyone use the update manager here? |
| 17:01.22 | samba | hi all - i'm working on some systems with very limited storage - is there an APT option or something that will block man pages from installing? |
| 17:01.28 | yogahnee | stew: thanks |
| 17:01.29 | themill | yogahnee: you'd be better off running a local firefox and using an ssh tunnel to tunnel or a vpn tunnel to tunnel the data to the remove machine rather than running firefox on the remote machine. |
| 17:02.11 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : squid3 package comes with init scripts for debian. |
| 17:02.15 | yogahnee | themill: I want to download something over the dedicated line onto the server |
| 17:02.21 | _Sam-- | if you want it to start at boot, then update-rc.d |
| 17:02.49 | themill | yogahnee: you could just use wget, curl, lynx, links or something like that to do that |
| 17:02.53 | stew | yogahnee: can't you use a browser that doesn't need x, like w3m or elinks or lync or even wget? |
| 17:03.12 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: i didnt use the binary package but the source package and its not in init.d at the moment |
| 17:03.21 | yogahnee | stew: I tried but it is rejecting some cookies needed |
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| 17:03.42 | stew | yogahnee: w3m is? |
| 17:03.49 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : maybe the files are in squid3-common |
| 17:03.52 | themill | yogahnee: you could feed your local wget the appropriate cookies.txt file |
| 17:04.09 | yogahnee | stew: yes |
| 17:04.22 | stew | w3m is ceratinly strict about cookies. i don't know if elinks or links or lynx are less strict |
| 17:04.27 | yogahnee | themill: maybe but firefox can come in handy later |
| 17:04.49 | _Sam-- | hmm...seems the init script is just part of 'squid3' pcakage on my box. |
| 17:05.07 | themill | yogahnee: you can convince lynx to accept all sorts of cookies. The thought of firefox being run on a server is rather disturbing. And you'll find the performance of X apps over ssh to be pretty disappointing. |
| 17:05.27 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: installing the squid3 common file can add the squid script to init.d? |
| 17:05.56 | yogahnee | themill: most certainly but I don't want to use it on a regular basis |
| 17:06.12 | _Sam-- | sharky_: no. its part of squid3, not squid3-common. |
| 17:06.53 | enouf | yogahnee: i use links2 (with -g for GUI mode), runs either/both ways in console or X, there's an -ssl part also, IIRC, i'd have to check |
| 17:07.32 | dqn | themill: I'll follow your advice about doing things only in perl (I actually was thinking about the exact same thing a while ago) |
| 17:07.35 | themill | yogahnee: anyway, it's up to you. "/msg dpkg sshx" to set up an X tunnel. I just use lynx for that sort of thing when I can't use wget. links2 as enouf suggested is probably a better choice these days though. |
| 17:07.43 | dqn | themill: but I managed to get the thing working :D |
| 17:07.48 | dqn | themill: cat - | while read LINE; do echo "$LINE" | iconv -c -f utf8 -t eucjp; done | mecab | while read LINE; do echo "$LINE" | iconv -c -f eucjp -t utf8; done |
| 17:07.49 | yogahnee | ok firefox is starting now but it seems to be my clients firefox not the one running on my server |
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| 17:08.00 | Krooks | My Core 2 Duo hovers between 60-65 Celcius, is this ok ? Anyone else got Core 2 Duo want to compare notes ? |
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| 17:08.09 | dqn | themill: maybe it's messy and ugly but it does exactly what I wanted |
| 17:08.17 | themill | dqn: yikes. That's the sort of scrip that makes baby greycat's cry. But functional is good. |
| 17:08.18 | dqn | will do for now :D |
| 17:08.47 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: there are some features i needed to have set in squid but i think i can only do so using the source package when i re-configure, i wonder if the binary package has got all the features i can pass through ./configure |
| 17:08.47 | wols_ | Krooks: ##hardware. and it's too hot |
| 17:08.48 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : why did you need to build squid from scratch? |
| 17:10.00 | aixenv | whats the command to be able to determine the # of physical harddrives in a server? just look at dmesg? |
| 17:10.02 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: i guess i have to install squid using apt now but i dont know what it will do to my alrady setup squid files and binaries!? |
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| 17:10.17 | enouf | hrm, maybe the libssl depends is for https support? never really looked into any of this :-/ |
| 17:10.27 | _Sam-- | just mv /usr/sbin/squid /usr/sbin/squid.shark |
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| 17:10.37 | _Sam-- | then apt-get install squid3 |
| 17:11.01 | yogahnee | enouf: thanks for the advice, links2 gui runs fair enough |
| 17:11.03 | _Sam-- | then you can make your own custom one again later if you want. |
| 17:11.04 | enouf | themill: haha @ "baby greycats cry" |
| 17:11.38 | enouf | np |
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| 17:11.52 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: okay |
| 17:12.23 | _Sam-- | what is it that you wanted to compile into squid that the debian version didnt have, just curious. |
| 17:13.46 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.08 | _Sam-- | unless you have some good compelling reason, there is probably no reason to comile you own. |
| 17:14.27 | _Sam-- | for my reverse squid proxy (http accel) i have had to do some custom compiling. |
| 17:14.30 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.47 | _Sam-- | but for proxying regular users through our squid proxy, i use an off the rack debian squid...works fine here. |
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| 17:16.08 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.10 | zorton | Net::SSH::Perl avaiable in stable? |
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| 17:16.35 | _Sam-- | yeah, i can give you the iptables line to transparently proxy. |
| 17:16.39 | _Sam-- | takes about 20 seconds to setup. |
| 17:16.46 | _Sam-- | then all outgoingport 80 gets redirected to squid. |
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| 17:17.26 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: would you kindly send me this kind of info. |
| 17:17.38 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: or a url where i can do this on my onw |
| 17:17.42 | ^shark_ | own* |
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| 17:17.54 | jelly | zorton: no. You can probably use dh-make-perl --build --cpan Net::SSH::Perl to make a package |
| 17:18.01 | lufthanza | hi |
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| 17:18.06 | lufthanza | i need a bit of help |
| 17:18.18 | zorton | jelly: trouble is outbound firewall rules only allow connections to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 17:18.19 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: ok now squid3 is installed on my system |
| 17:18.55 | _Sam-- | adjust to your system: |
| 17:18.56 | _Sam-- | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 17:18.57 | lufthanza | i'm pretty sure some of the packages I've installed with apt have become corrupted. How do i have apt run through everything that's been installed and check for corruption? |
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| 17:19.27 | jelly | zorton: use a debian machine outside that firewall. If you are connected to the machine via ssh, you could tunnel a connection to a local http proxy |
| 17:19.30 | _Sam-- | (that assumes squid is on the same box as the gateway) |
| 17:20.05 | tuxcrafter | i am using debian sid but i cant seem to be able to downgrade my current kernel to E: Package linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 has no installation candidat |
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| 17:20.09 | lufthanza | anyone, is there any way to do this? |
| 17:20.09 | zorton | jelly: thanks |
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| 17:20.40 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: do i have to make my squid host a gateway then route traffic to my router? |
| 17:20.42 | Computer | Is there a known issue particular to Debian that Samba is slow? |
| 17:20.54 | jelly | zorton: like, install tinyproxy and make it listen on eg. localhost:8080, and ssh -R 8080:localhost:8080 remote-server, then use localhost:8080 on the remote server as proxy. Thus circumventing the company policy and making everyone angry! |
| 17:21.11 | zorton | jelly: little tougher than that i'm afraid |
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| 17:21.23 | enouf | tuxcrafter: go direct d/l it from pdo and install using dpkg |
| 17:21.25 | zorton | i'll have to find another way to do it without the package or have the ITSO open up outbound to CPAN |
| 17:21.34 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : im not going to do all the work for you.... its not that complicated. you can either make the router/gateway forward all port 80 traffic to squid, or you can point your client at the proxy. |
| 17:21.36 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to save mixer settings using alsa? |
| 17:21.38 | enouf | tuxcrafter: or from sdn, or wherever it is |
| 17:21.40 | tuxcrafter | enouf: hmm ok |
| 17:21.51 | jelly | zorton: no port forwarding allowed, huh? |
| 17:21.52 | tuxcrafter | do you know why i cant just install it? |
| 17:22.12 | enouf | tuxcrafter: apt-get is only half the process |
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| 17:22.43 | zorton | jelly: firewall restricts outbound traffic to only a few known hosts. IT security can be rather problematic if implemented by people who don't know what they are doing |
| 17:22.48 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: i appreciate veyr much the help you have given me so far |
| 17:22.51 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: thanks |
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| 17:23.10 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: i will read more on this and complete this project once and for all |
| 17:23.12 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : anytime. im glad to answer specific questions, if you havae more. |
| 17:23.14 | enouf | tuxcrafter: unless you use pinning/hold/ or some other things, in general, the latest versions will be the one |
| 17:23.18 | jelly | zorton: oh, you can't reach CPAN even from the local machine? sucks |
| 17:23.19 | tuxcrafter | enouf: or is it save to remove the running kernel all its modules reinstall them and reboot :-p |
| 17:23.21 | enouf | 's that are available tuxcrafter |
| 17:23.29 | zorton | jelly: yup, sux |
| 17:23.48 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : you should have no problem getting it working. not to sound like a pompous ass, but it is one of the more easy things to do. |
| 17:23.52 | enouf | tuxcrafter: no, but what is your goal or your issue? |
| 17:24.02 | _Sam-- | (and i really have very limited knowledge) |
| 17:24.04 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: ok |
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| 17:24.22 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: you dont sound like u have little ;) |
| 17:24.39 | _Sam-- | ^shark_ : first step is to make sure squid is working and proxying http requests. do that before trying to transparently forward to it. |
| 17:24.50 | _Sam-- | like, tell your http client ip:3128 for the squid server |
| 17:24.55 | _Sam-- | and then try to browse external sites. |
| 17:25.03 | tuxcrafter | enouf: i installed some v4l stuff into my kernel and its conflicting with my hardware i need a fresh start :-p |
| 17:25.43 | ^shark_ | _Sam--: okay |
| 17:25.49 | enouf | tuxcrafter: fresh start == debian kernel? |
| 17:25.55 | _Sam-- | there is some access control that will need to be properly set to allow you (or others) access to the squid cache and web browsing. |
| 17:26.16 | tuxcrafter | enouf: reinstall debian kernel and modules does the trick for me most times :-p |
| 17:26.18 | enouf | tuxcrafter: nothing wrong with the latest in sid |
| 17:26.52 | enouf | tuxcrafter: apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 17:26.55 | enouf | pick one |
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| 17:30.37 | piasdom | hello |
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| 17:31.06 | tuxcrafter | enouf: so refreshed my modules with the debian defaaults |
| 17:31.22 | enouf | tuxcrafter: you put makeup and powdered them? |
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| 17:31.57 | piasdom | how do i check if my computer is using all the ram ? under etch |
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| 17:32.01 | tzanger | good afternoon |
| 17:32.52 | enouf | piasdom: free |
| 17:32.52 | tzanger | just a quick question on how to do it "the debian way" |
| 17:32.52 | piasdom | thanks enouf |
| 17:32.52 | tzanger | I'm trying to build a kernel module (not part of the kernel tree) and it's saying I don't appear to have the kernel source for linux-2.6.18.8-amd64 installed. It's absolutely right, but what is the "debian way" to do this? |
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| 17:33.11 | enouf | install linux-headers-`uname r` |
| 17:33.17 | enouf | install linux-headers-`uname -r` tzanger |
| 17:33.20 | tzanger | enouf: perfect, thank you |
| 17:33.32 | enouf | tzanger: also , use module-assistant |
| 17:33.44 | enouf | tzanger: which would pull in headers, if used correctly |
| 17:33.58 | enouf | m-a prepare should do this |
| 17:34.00 | _Sam-- | tzanger : how goes the asterisk stuff, isnt that where i see you? |
| 17:34.03 | piasdom | what does 'uname -r' mean....do i put my name there ? |
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| 17:34.23 | enouf | piasdom: run 'uname -r' |
| 17:34.35 | enouf | piasdom: but note; i used backticks, not single quotes |
| 17:34.38 | _Sam-- | maybe i am just confused. |
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| 17:34.56 | tzanger | _Sam--: yes I am there too :-) it goes well |
| 17:35.03 | tzanger | working on a contract involving asterisk, in fact |
| 17:35.05 | enouf | piasdom: and backticks should be replaced by $(uname -r) to avoid confusion and for nesting |
| 17:35.13 | piasdom | thanks enouf again |
| 17:35.20 | piasdom | ok |
| 17:35.32 | _Sam-- | tzanger : what are you compiling, if you dont mind me asking? |
| 17:35.49 | enouf | piasdom: echo $(uname -r) == echo `uname -r` |
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| 17:36.00 | enouf | piasdom: do either in your shell |
| 17:36.03 | enouf | or both |
| 17:36.16 | keith4 | stew: (belated) thanks |
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| 17:37.25 | soulchild | Hi all,... does anyone know how to set my printer resolution to 2400x600, the only possible I found are: 300x300 600x600 1200x1200,... |
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| 17:38.02 | _Sam-- | soulchild : you are using cups? |
| 17:38.06 | piasdom | it tells me my rtai |
| 17:38.21 | soulchild | _Sam--: sure |
| 17:38.45 | _Sam-- | if the printer supports it, you can modify your printer setting in cups using http |
| 17:39.00 | _Sam-- | i mean, if the printer supports that resolution, and if the cups profile supports it also... |
| 17:39.07 | tuxcrafter | i dont really understood your last messsage, but i just removed my running kernel manually deleted the /lib/modules/.. directories, reintalled the latest kernel, and now its up and running. But my problem was that i could not seem to be able to install the previous kernel of debian sid .25 version. I could only installl the latest. I did not understead why this can happen |
| 17:39.07 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.24 | tzanger | _Sam--: just and SVN version of DAHDI |
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| 17:40.11 | _Sam-- | i guess im way behind the times....i didnt know until now that zaptel is now dahdi! |
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| 17:50.50 | _Sam-- | hey what would make 'w' or 'who' not show people logged in via ssh? 'last' shows the login info fine, but not w or who |
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| 17:54.32 | cn | hi |
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| 17:57.11 | piasdom | anyone knows which works better in linux...virtualpc or vmware ? |
| 17:57.23 | abrotman | inlinux? or for linux? |
| 17:57.33 | piasdom | in linux |
| 17:57.37 | abrotman | MS Virtual PC doesn't run on Linux afaik .. vmware does |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | but both can run linux as guests |
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| 17:57.52 | piasdom | i want to install winxp in linux |
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| 17:58.08 | abrotman | but MS Virtual PC doesn't run on top of linux i don't think |
| 17:58.27 | piasdom | cool thanks abrotman |
| 17:58.36 | _Sam-- | abrotman : what would cause w and who to not show logged in users, even though 'last' shows their login and outs properly? |
| 17:58.51 | JediMaster | Hey guys, got a really quick question, how do you rename 180,000 files, e.g. from dev.*.* to www.*.*, I've tried with rename, but of course * matches 180,000 files and is too long |
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| 17:59.10 | wols_ | piasdom: use virtualbox which is in debian |
| 17:59.19 | wols_ | piasdom: however VMs will not allow you tor un games |
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| 18:01.07 | _Sam-- | JediMaster: for i in * |
| 18:01.07 | JediMaster | bash script? |
| 18:01.08 | valdyn | JediMaster: find -exec |
| 18:01.08 | piasdom | wols:thanks i'll try that |
| 18:01.08 | valdyn | _Sam--: like that is going to change anything |
| 18:01.08 | _Sam-- | if it loops through one at a time, it does. |
| 18:01.08 | zinx | JediMaster: using find + xargs + rename |
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| 18:01.23 | themill | _Sam--: that would be very slow |
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| 18:01.50 | _Sam-- | dunno, we use it to remove hundreds of thousands of files fine. |
| 18:01.57 | _Sam-- | but whatever works for you, is fine by me too. |
| 18:01.58 | valdyn | JediMaster: but theres special mass rename tools too, ( apt-cache search ... ) |
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| 18:02.42 | themill | _Sam--: find with xargs or with -exec will be much faster. Look into it next time you have to do that. |
| 18:03.03 | _Sam-- | as always, thanks for the tip. |
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| 18:04.25 | PIt3r | hi peplo |
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| 18:11.32 | sebi | hiho |
| 18:12.55 | sebi | i have a configuration problem with debian. |
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| 18:14.08 | sebi | i realized it, when i did a FAI install, i wanted to set the screen resolution to 1280x1024, did so via the debconf-settings, and the xserver didn't support this resolution |
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| 18:15.16 | sharp15_ | sebi: does the monitor support that resolution? and what graphics driver? |
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| 18:15.40 | sebi | after checking it out some more on my etch installation, whenever i execute "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the 1280x1024 resolution, the next time i run this, it isn't selected anymore |
| 18:16.26 | sebi | sharp15_: the monitor definitely supports it, when i change the config file manually to include the 1280x1024 modes, it runs them fine |
| 18:16.44 | sebi | so does the drivers, ati and sis. |
| 18:17.15 | sebi | but it seems that it is thrown out of debconf too soon |
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| 18:17.38 | sebi | monitor: 1280x1024 tft acer 17" |
| 18:17.52 | theholyduck | sebi, well |
| 18:17.57 | theholyduck | reconfigure starts from scrach |
| 18:17.59 | srpenney | Does anyone know how to assemble and existing array with mdadm - I'm trying to move a raid array from one install to another without much luck. |
| 18:17.59 | theholyduck | *Scratch |
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| 18:18.11 | theholyduck | thus it discards everything from your former monitor |
| 18:18.18 | theholyduck | and starts with a surefire config |
| 18:18.38 | sebi | theholyduck: hm, when i set a mouse config, it keeps it over the dpkg-runs |
| 18:18.39 | theholyduck | you need to add flags for it to preserve your conf |
| 18:18.50 | sebi | ok, i'll listen :-) |
| 18:18.52 | theholyduck | sebi, well its not really touching those parts i guess |
| 18:18.57 | sebi | kk. |
| 18:19.06 | theholyduck | well i think at the top of the new xorg config |
| 18:19.09 | _Sam-- | srpenney : the drives are already in the new box, you just need to re-create the raid array? |
| 18:19.13 | theholyduck | should be the flags you need to run reconfigure with |
| 18:19.24 | theholyduck | to preserve the config |
| 18:19.32 | sebi | the xorg.conf files should be generated by debconfig |
| 18:19.35 | theholyduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.37 | sebi | after the fai installation |
| 18:19.37 | theholyduck | err |
| 18:19.38 | theholyduck | *head |
| 18:19.53 | srpenney | _Sam--: Yep. The drives even show up as mountable in Nautilus (There are two of each partition because the drives are mirrored) |
| 18:19.56 | Pulpie | I need to share a printer to a windows computer which the printer is hooked up to a linux machine is this possible and if so are there tutorials for it? |
| 18:20.03 | et | for what reasons is the libxml vulnerability marked "local"? if anything using libxml parses output from the web ... |
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| 18:20.11 | sebi | so: the resolution values are set in the debconf database |
| 18:20.12 | theholyduck | sebi, well there is a debian reconfigure command at the top of your xorg.conf to tell you how to run it without ruining your old conf |
| 18:20.18 | srpenney | _Sam--: I can mount them individuallyy and see everything but I can't get them to mount as a multidisk |
| 18:20.24 | sebi | there is no old conf... |
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| 18:20.51 | _Sam-- | sprenney, and just to be clear, the drives have been setup as an auto-raid array under linux / debian before? |
| 18:21.22 | sebi | (in fai) first i pump into dewbconf my modelines, and then dpkg(?) creates a xorg.conf |
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| 18:21.39 | moodog | evening all |
| 18:21.46 | stew | et: if you want to look at it that way, should every single bug be marked remote? |
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| 18:22.31 | et | stew: in libs that are commonly used by services? |
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| 18:22.34 | srpenney | _Sam--: I had originally configured them as a RAID1 array in the BIOS of my PCI raid card (fakeraid). On my previous ubuntu install I was able to access the disks as an md - so I think (I'm not too sharp when it comes to linux) that the drives have been set up as a RAID1 array under linux (ubuntu = debian) before. |
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| 18:23.14 | _Sam-- | srpenney : you will probably just want to recreate the entire array. just make sure you specify the correct source drive..... |
| 18:23.25 | _Sam-- | srpenney : this is ONE example...modify to suit: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 --auto=md |
| 18:23.34 | stew | et: no, every lib |
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| 18:23.47 | srpenney | _Sam--: They're mirrorerd so should the source disk not matter? |
| 18:23.55 | srpenney | _Sam--: TY for the help BTW |
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| 18:24.20 | _Sam-- | srpenney : if no data is currently being written to them, and they are clean mirrors, then it shouldnt matter. |
| 18:24.39 | _Sam-- | you could also setup the raid with just one drive, and then hotadd the other drives, if the data needed to be re-synced. |
| 18:24.50 | srpenney | _Sam--: and create will not wipe out the contents? |
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| 18:24.59 | Usiu | Hi |
| 18:25.04 | Usiu | how to compile kernel from package |
| 18:25.16 | Usiu | to get all the patches appleyed but only chaning config ? |
| 18:25.27 | srpenney | _Sam--: for your example above that is raid 5 correct? Can I just change level to 1? |
| 18:25.32 | srpenney | for raid1 |
| 18:25.49 | wols_ | Usiu: get the debian kernel sources |
| 18:25.49 | stew | Usiu: install a linux-source package (apt-cache search -n linux-source) the /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:25.50 | _Sam-- | srpenney : before you issue the command let me be sure that you will be able to mount it. |
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| 18:26.04 | wols_ | Usiu: run menuconfig on it and configure as you wish |
| 18:26.07 | sebi | theholyduck: i think, i found the problem... t shouldn't check "autodetect monitor" in the dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 18:26.19 | srpenney | _Sam--: I can mount any of the parititions using nautilus |
| 18:26.19 | sebi | now i somehow have to transfer that to fai... |
| 18:26.26 | zack23 | IP aliasing in Debian stable - is it in there by default? I'm getting a SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address when restarting the network |
| 18:26.44 | _Sam-- | srpenney ;: but when you create md0, that is a new partition that normally becomes formatted / a filesystem. |
| 18:26.55 | Usiu | wols_: and build with make-kpkg ? |
| 18:26.59 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:27.06 | wols_ | as stew told you |
| 18:27.14 | Usiu | wols_: will all the patches apply ? |
| 18:27.30 | stew | Usiu: the linux-source package would already have the patches |
| 18:27.47 | _Sam-- | srpenney : if you have the drives formatted as 'linux auto-raid' this might be easier. |
| 18:27.48 | stew | Usiu: (there are more patches availalbe, but the ones that would be in a linux-image package would already be applied in the linux-source packages) |
| 18:27.52 | _Sam-- | er partitioned, sorry. |
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| 18:28.09 | srpenney | _Sam--: how do I tell how they were partitioned? |
| 18:28.13 | Usiu | stew: I want to build udeb packages from linux-image but Xen patched |
| 18:28.17 | srpenney | oh, ext3 |
| 18:28.20 | _Sam-- | fdisk -l | grep raid |
| 18:28.29 | scientes | yarg how do i mount a ext3 partition that isnt recognized at all, supposed i need to find and map the superblock? after moving the drive grub is broken and the first partition wont mount |
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| 18:28.40 | stew | Usiu: /msg dpkg custom cd |
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| 18:29.27 | srpenney | _Sam--: nothing shows up for the grep -> I had to add sudo to get anything to show up for fdisk -l |
| 18:29.41 | Usiu | stew: I already did custom netinstall cd for my laptop. But I dont know how to deal with Xen patches |
| 18:29.54 | Usiu | stew: looks like they did not applay after apt-get source |
| 18:30.02 | srpenney | _Sam--: When I mount /dev/sdb1 (or /dev/sdc1) I can see that the FS type is ext3 |
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| 18:30.17 | scientes | fdisk -l shows it as a linux partition but mount cant recognie it plain, or with -t ext3 or -t ext2 |
| 18:30.19 | srpenney | _Sam--: mount with nautilus, not through command line |
| 18:30.21 | _Sam-- | we arent talking FStype...we are talking partition time. |
| 18:30.34 | _Sam-- | scientes : mkfs |
| 18:30.50 | scientes | ahh |
| 18:30.54 | sebi | theholyduck: can you tell me, why i try to find a solution for hours, and once i start asking other people, i find it in about 10 minutes? ;-) |
| 18:30.54 | scientes | its a filesystem! |
| 18:30.56 | _Sam-- | er partition TYPE, not partition TIME. |
| 18:30.57 | srpenney | _Sam--: oh, sorry. |
| 18:31.00 | scientes | it exists and has files |
| 18:31.06 | stew | Usiu: what do you mean by "apt-get source"? |
| 18:31.22 | _Sam-- | scientes : then what kind of partition is it |
| 18:31.27 | scientes | ext3 |
| 18:31.28 | Usiu | stew: I downloaded source of debian Xen patched image |
| 18:31.35 | scientes | but for some reason its not being recognized |
| 18:31.40 | scientes | in this other computer |
| 18:31.43 | srpenney | _Sam--: The grep does not return anything for raid. However just an fdisk -l shows my devices of interest. ID=83 and System=linux |
| 18:31.45 | Usiu | stew: the 2.6.26 one which has driver for my mainframe |
| 18:31.49 | srpenney | Is that what you needeD? |
| 18:31.55 | DocMAX | cat /dev/scientes/brain |
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| 18:32.22 | scientes | last time it booted it did a bunch of phooy stuff like sysfaultys and then my motherboard was fried |
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| 18:32.27 | scientes | so amybe it was corrupted |
| 18:32.34 | Usiu | stew: I want to build udebs from it to make custom netinst however looks like some drivers are missing according to what kernel-wedge wants. It would be safe to rebuild kernel and add them |
| 18:32.46 | DocMAX | slaps Usiu around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:32.51 | stew | Usiu: i don't think kernel-package works with recent kernels with xen enabled |
| 18:33.01 | _Sam-- | scientes : maybe the ext3 journal got messed up. but usually you can still mount it as ext2. |
| 18:33.11 | scientes | didnt work _Sam-- |
| 18:33.16 | Usiu | stew: ok so I have to applay patches myself |
| 18:33.24 | _Sam-- | srpenney : i didnt forget about you either, im worried about the mdadm create messing up existing files. |
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| 18:33.38 | _Sam-- | all the examples show the filesystem being created, after the array is created. |
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| 18:33.58 | _Sam-- | in your case, we dont need that, and im not sure if it will or wont be ok. so therefore im not giving advice until i do. |
| 18:33.59 | Joelito | hi all, how can disable the output messages like "inflating" when I use unzip from terminal? |
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| 18:34.25 | srpenney | _Sam--: You know what. It's just music that I have backed up to DVD backup. Lets assume the data is of minor concern. |
| 18:34.33 | stew | Usiu: no, that's not what I'm saying |
| 18:34.41 | _Sam-- | srpenney : fdisk / mkfs.ext* |
| 18:34.47 | piasdom | after running 'dpkg -i virtualbox-2.0_2.0.2-36488_Debian_etch_i386.deb', how to i start virtualbox ...and where did it install to / |
| 18:35.02 | stew | Usiu: what version of the kenrel are you trying to build? |
| 18:35.08 | scientes | gparted says file system unknown |
| 18:35.10 | srpenney | _Sam--: / ? and not /dev/sdb1? |
| 18:35.20 | Usiu | stew: 2.6.26 is enough |
| 18:35.22 | _Sam-- | fdisk /dev/sdb (if that is tyhe drive in question) |
| 18:35.35 | stew | Usiu: and you need domU support or domO support? |
| 18:35.35 | _Sam-- | then mkfs.ext* /dev/sdbsomething |
| 18:36.05 | wols_ | JediMaster: > /dev/null |
| 18:36.14 | wols_ | damn he'S gone |
| 18:36.29 | drbair_work | joepa: if there's not an option for it, you could probably redirect stderr to /dev/null |
| 18:36.38 | Usiu | stew: Well I can install xen enabled kernel latter |
| 18:36.40 | srpenney | _Sam--: so 'fdisk /dev/sdb mkfs.ext* /dev/sdb_music |
| 18:36.46 | scientes | the partition was made under 64 bit if that means anything |
| 18:36.51 | Usiu | stew: but first I need netinstall with latest kernel 2.6.26 |
| 18:36.59 | stew | Usiu: for etch or lenny? |
| 18:37.04 | _Sam-- | srpenney: time out. you are trying to now create a new raid array, on 2 blank drives, instead of 2 drives with data on them? |
| 18:37.17 | Usiu | stew: stable |
| 18:37.19 | Usiu | stew: so etch |
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| 18:37.22 | stew | Usiu: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 18:37.31 | stew | Usiu: 2.6.24 is not enough? |
| 18:37.57 | Usiu | stew: I tried only 2.6.18 |
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| 18:38.25 | Usiu | stew: and it did not work, while new one from lenny was missing firmware but I handle it |
| 18:38.41 | stew | Usiu: etch's current official installers have 2.6.24 |
| 18:38.53 | Autocracy | !op Please don't ban me I won't troll anymore. |
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| 18:39.05 | Usiu | stew: is lenny 2.6.26 ? |
| 18:39.06 | Autocracy | Anyway. |
| 18:39.18 | srpenney | _Sam--: Ideally I would like to preserve the data on two drives previously used in a RAID1 array (Ubuntu fiesty fawn). Currently I can see the partitions on the two mirrored drives and mount them as normal drives (and get two copies of the same thing). These drives are /dev/sdb1-3 and /dev/sdc1-3 (where 1, 2, and 3 are the different partitions). |
| 18:39.38 | Crazz | does anyone here know anything about installing debian on ppc? |
| 18:39.45 | stew | Usiu: currently, yes |
| 18:39.50 | Usiu | stew: thank You |
| 18:39.53 | _Sam-- | srpenney : ok lets try this. first we are going to create the raid array with ONE drive...then we are going to bring the 2nd drive into the array, while keeping the data in sync. |
| 18:39.54 | stew | Usiu: though lenny would not be a good choice for a server |
| 18:39.58 | stew | (yet) |
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| 18:40.07 | Usiu | stew: yes indeed |
| 18:40.11 | srpenney | _Sam--: sounds reasonable to me. |
| 18:40.24 | _Sam-- | srpenney : back to this command: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/hda3 /dev/hdb3 /dev/hdc3 |
| 18:40.26 | Usiu | stew: its developers server but I would like to stick to stable anyway |
| 18:40.36 | _Sam-- | lets look at that and modify it for our needs right now.... |
| 18:41.00 | _Sam-- | mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdbsomething |
| 18:41.02 | srpenney | _Sam--: OK: I have two drives and want RAID1 (mirrored) |
| 18:41.06 | srpenney | k |
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| 18:41.19 | _Sam-- | that is the command...change /dev/sdbsomething, to your partition on sdb |
| 18:41.25 | stew | Usiu: i'd recommend trying etchnhalf first: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 18:41.31 | The-Rebel | how do i add rules to policykit? |
| 18:41.36 | _Sam-- | first, we are creating the raid array, with just one drive, even though it will have 2. |
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| 18:41.54 | srpenney | sdbsomething should be one of my partitions? |
| 18:42.04 | srpenney | nm |
| 18:42.08 | Usiu | stew: Ok I will build 2.6.26 without xen support and then after installing it (having disc driver and firmware) I will install distributions Xen enabled kernel. The one from sid should be still compatible with etch's Xen utils I hope |
| 18:42.08 | _Sam-- | srpenney : yes, the partition that has the data you want raided. |
| 18:42.09 | srpenney | I missed an earlier message |
| 18:42.30 | srpenney | mdadm: failed to create /dev/md0 |
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| 18:42.36 | stew | Usiu: do you need dom0 support or domU ? |
| 18:42.48 | _Sam-- | srpenney : are you sure you used the right /dev/sdbsomething |
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| 18:42.56 | _Sam-- | that is kind of important. |
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| 18:43.26 | Usiu | stew: guest and host |
| 18:43.36 | stew | Usiu: for host you need to use 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:43.48 | srpenney | _Sam--: It is correct, and I tried it's partner as well (sdc1) with the same result |
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| 18:43.59 | Usiu | stew: this kernel lacks my disc driver |
| 18:44.18 | stew | Usiu: then you are out of luck |
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| 18:44.34 | _Sam-- | srpenney : i know why....im sorry.... |
| 18:44.35 | Usiu | stew: why it will not work as host for 2.6.26 ? |
| 18:44.45 | Usiu | stew: its not enabled? |
| 18:44.55 | _Sam-- | try this: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdbsomething /dev/sdz1 |
| 18:44.57 | srpenney | _Sam--: No apologies necessary, I'm grateful for the help. |
| 18:45.07 | _Sam-- | it will be trying to create the array on sdz1 even though that drive doesnt exist. |
| 18:45.14 | stew | Usiu: it has never been ported past 2.6.18 |
| 18:45.29 | stew | Usiu: if you want to know why, ask xensource.com or citrix, or whoever they are now |
| 18:45.59 | Usiu | stew: Thank You very much |
| 18:46.03 | srpenney | _Sam--: hmm. I get the same error |
| 18:46.06 | Usiu | stew: That was helpful |
| 18:46.29 | scientes | how do i get my ext3 filesystem mounted when it is completely unrecognized by mount gparted etc |
| 18:46.33 | Usiu | stew: that saves a lot of time for me |
| 18:46.46 | stew | Usiu: start here for a long thread on the subject: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/07/threads.html |
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| 18:47.02 | _Sam-- | srpenney : did you do a modprobe raid1 first? |
| 18:47.14 | _Sam-- | maybe the kernel modules arent loaded, long shot but worth a try |
| 18:47.23 | jo4 | crontab line: * */1 * * * root somescript this should run every hour only it doesn't ... it runs every minute.. and i don't get it.. it seems like cron parses it the wrong way |
| 18:47.35 | srpenney | _Sam--: obviously I didn't :) |
| 18:47.41 | srpenney | But still no change |
| 18:47.54 | srpenney | Is there a way to check what modules are loaded and grep? |
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| 18:48.14 | _Sam-- | lsmod |grep raid |
| 18:48.15 | srpenney | modprobe raid1 seems to do nothing (no error, warning or notification) |
| 18:48.31 | wols_ | srpenney: no message is a good message: no errors happened |
| 18:48.39 | srpenney | raid1 is loaded |
| 18:48.51 | _Sam-- | srpenney : i think i am probably being too cautious and could just create the array fine with your two drives. |
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| 18:49.07 | _Sam-- | mdadm -C -ap<#> -l1 /dev/md_d0 /dev/hda /dev/hdb |
| 18:49.13 | _Sam-- | to modify for you... |
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| 18:49.21 | srpenney | _Sam--: let's be reckless then. Like I said it just saves me copying a few DVDs |
| 18:49.34 | _Sam-- | mdadm -C -l1 /dev/md_d0 /dev/sdbsomething /dev/sdsomethingelse |
| 18:49.48 | _Sam-- | er let me re type that once more. |
| 18:49.52 | _Sam-- | i dont like md_d0 |
| 18:49.56 | scgtrp | i'm having a problem with my new debian install. grub starts to load, then the monitor goes blank and says "no input signal". i have no splash images or anything defined in menu.lst, and i've tried grub from both etch and sid. what else should i do? |
| 18:49.59 | _Sam-- | mdadm -C -l1 /dev/md0 /dev/sdbsomething /dev/sdsomethingelse |
| 18:50.24 | stew | jo4: the * in the first column means every minute, replace that with a 5 (for instance) to run at 0:05, 1:05, 2:05, etc |
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| 18:50.49 | srpenney | _Sam--: is that -<pipe>1 or -<ell>1? |
| 18:50.55 | stew | jo4: and note that */1 means the same as just * |
| 18:50.56 | scgtrp | i can boot into the system and ssh in via an old gentoo livecd |
| 18:50.59 | _Sam-- | letter l |
| 18:51.07 | _Sam-- | as in 'raid level 1' |
| 18:51.17 | jo4 | stew, ah, good idea.. and yeah, that's true ;D |
| 18:51.22 | srpenney | ah |
| 18:51.50 | srpenney | _Sam--: sigh, same error (failed to create /dev/md0) |
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| 18:51.57 | _Sam-- | that is all it says? |
| 18:52.02 | pistache | Hello all |
| 18:52.18 | srpenney | well 'mdadm: failed to create /dev/md0' |
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| 18:52.36 | pistache | How can I solve this ? |
| 18:52.45 | _Sam-- | srpenney : check syslog /messages / other logs for any other tips, please. |
| 18:52.45 | Crazz | nice its been a month and still no one will talk to me \ |
| 18:53.05 | stew | Crazz: ask a more specific question |
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| 18:53.34 | srpenney | _Sam--: I don't suppose you could help me out with some paths |
| 18:53.35 | srpenney | ? |
| 18:54.01 | Crazz | i have for a month now... just glad i got someone to answer |
| 18:54.17 | sqawarlz | Hey guys. I'm thinking of switching to debian from ubuntu but I have some questions about hardware support. |
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| 18:54.32 | Crazz | i have an imac powerpc g3 i try to install debian and get a default catch error in the OpenFirmware |
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| 18:54.38 | srpenney | _Sam--: /var/log/syslog doesn't show anything |
| 18:55.16 | pistache | I've got a problem : Why are'nt my directional keys working in my TTYs ? |
| 18:55.20 | srpenney | _Sam--: sorry, yes it does - sec |
| 18:55.32 | _Sam-- | srpenney : add this --verbose |
| 18:55.41 | _Sam-- | mdadm -C --verbose -l1 /dev/md0 /dev/sdbsomething /dev/sdsomethingelse |
| 18:55.54 | srpenney | _Sam--: heh, no change. |
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| 18:56.05 | srpenney | I'll tell you the syslog notes |
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| 18:57.12 | srpenney | No change in /var/syslog since 12 minutes ago (last time I unmounted one of the raid drives with nautilus) |
| 18:57.24 | srpenney | any other logs , _Sam-- |
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| 18:59.09 | _Sam-- | srpenney : im sorry i dont have more time to train ya. i run linux software raid under debian on about 5 servers, am pretty familiar with it. never had a problem creating the array if the drives are specified properly. |
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| 18:59.51 | srpenney | _Sam--: Can you point me to where I would rebuild it from scratch (losing all data but getting the drives up again)? |
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| 19:00.40 | _Sam-- | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_software_raid |
| 19:01.16 | srpenney | _Sam--: thanks again |
| 19:01.30 | _Sam-- | srpenney : sure, it sounds like fdisk -l might be of some help to identify the partitions you want to raid. |
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| 19:01.40 | _Sam-- | and make sure you are properly referencing the drives and partitions. |
| 19:02.43 | Crazz | iMac PowerPC G3 Blueberry trayloader 1999 32mb ram 6mb vidram 6gb hdd when i try to install debian 4 etch from boot cd or any other media it says Elf32 Loaded then bam i am in openfirmware again and it says default catch and i have to restart to do anything |
| 19:03.09 | abrotman | Crazz: which installer did you get? |
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| 19:03.19 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 19:03.25 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 19:03.25 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 19:03.50 | piasdom | after installing virtualbox, i get this error in my log file...... |
| 19:03.55 | piasdom | Makefile:142: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 19:03.55 | Crazz | i have tried ppc chan for just as long as here |
| 19:04.14 | Blastur | is it possible to have debian setup a bunch of portforwardings in my router each time it changes LAN ip? using Upnp ... like On ip change, send upnp message to router saying "forward port X to my.new.ip.here" |
| 19:04.41 | wols_ | piasdom: are you running a debian kernel? |
| 19:05.00 | piasdom | rtai wols |
| 19:05.01 | abrotman | Crazz: i think the #debianppc on OFTC has more people |
| 19:05.13 | wols_ | piasdom: "rtai"? |
| 19:05.20 | piasdom | ok |
| 19:05.21 | wols_ | piasdom: what version is your kernel |
| 19:05.23 | Crazz | can you message me the server? |
| 19:05.30 | wols_ | !oftc |
| 19:05.30 | dpkg | from memory, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 19:05.45 | piasdom | what kernel are you talking about?...etch ? |
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| 19:05.54 | wols_ | piasdom: your linux kernel... |
| 19:05.55 | scgtrp | i'm having a problem with my new debian install. grub starts to load, then the monitor goes blank and says "no input signal". i have no splash images or anything defined in menu.lst, and i've tried grub from both etch and sid. what else should i do? |
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| 19:06.08 | pistache | Hey. Any idea why my directional keys doees not work ? |
| 19:06.29 | piasdom | this ?.........2.6.16.20-rtai |
| 19:06.41 | piasdom | got that from uname |
| 19:06.48 | wols_ | piasdom: this is not debian |
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| 19:06.55 | piasdom | aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:06.57 | wols_ | piasdom: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:07.12 | piasdom | thanks wols |
| 19:07.23 | Crazz | nope there is less people there |
| 19:07.26 | wols_ | piasdom: what debian branch do you run? |
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| 19:07.51 | piasdom | don't know what that is wols...........etch ? |
| 19:08.26 | wols_ | I gave you a dpkg command. run it |
| 19:09.13 | piasdom | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 19:09.32 | wols_ | piasdom: whoever gave you your kernel, it's not from debian |
| 19:09.40 | wols_ | which is why you get the virtualbox error |
| 19:09.43 | piasdom | great thanks |
| 19:10.10 | piasdom | so not possible ? |
| 19:10.32 | wols_ | piasdom: are you under a VPS or such? |
| 19:10.52 | srpenney | _Sam--: Ah man, I was running as a user without sudo.... |
| 19:11.06 | piasdom | wols:i'm at work on their network |
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| 19:11.18 | wols_ | piasdom: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 19:11.32 | simonrvn | Crazz: they know fuck all about macs and ppcs in here |
| 19:11.32 | piasdom | oh...then don't know |
| 19:11.43 | _Sam-- | srpenney : well thats a start. |
| 19:11.54 | simonrvn | runs away before he gets roasted |
| 19:11.59 | srpenney | sorry, retrying above with sudo |
| 19:12.30 | piasdom | explain vps ? |
| 19:12.41 | _Sam-- | srpenney : i just made a one drive raid array on my own machine to test it. |
| 19:12.48 | _Sam-- | took about 30 seconds: |
| 19:12.58 | _Sam-- | mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sda1 |
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| 19:13.12 | _Sam-- | mdadm: array /dev/md1 started. |
| 19:13.26 | wols_ | piasdom: either install a debian kernel or get the linux-header package for your kernel |
| 19:13.34 | wols_ | !vps |
| 19:13.52 | srpenney | how do you mount after? I get the array /dev/md0 started line |
| 19:13.55 | piasdom | wols: how do i get the headers ? |
| 19:14.06 | _Sam-- | srpenney: create a directory, and mount the array there. |
| 19:14.09 | wols_ | piasdom: I don't know or care. ask whoever gave you this non-debian kernel |
| 19:14.10 | stew | piasdom: you'd have to ask whomever compiled that kernel for the headers |
| 19:14.21 | piasdom | ok thanks wols |
| 19:14.24 | stew | piasdom: do you know why you are using that kernel instead of one from debian? |
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| 19:14.43 | piasdom | stew:it was made to run a mill |
| 19:14.51 | stew | piasdom: what does that mean? |
| 19:14.54 | piasdom | www.sherline.com |
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| 19:15.07 | srpenney | _Sam--: I think it's working. |
| 19:15.07 | wols_ | stew: apparently this mill needs a realtime kernel |
| 19:15.08 | piasdom | stew:a cnc mill |
| 19:15.09 | ampex | anyone have any recommendations for kvm over ip solutions? |
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| 19:15.34 | piasdom | yes...needs realtime |
| 19:15.46 | windowshasyou | which would the people in here prefer to use; on board ide or an ide raid card? |
| 19:15.52 | srpenney | _Sam--: cat /proc/mdstat says it's 10.1% through resynching |
| 19:16.11 | wols_ | !tell windowshasyou about polls |
| 19:16.12 | _Sam-- | srpenney : thats fine, you dont have to wait for it to finish before mounting. |
| 19:16.15 | _Sam-- | but thats a good thing. |
| 19:16.16 | piasdom | i'll talk to the manufacturer...thanks wols and stew |
| 19:16.23 | stew | its both going to run a mill AND host virtual machines? |
| 19:16.25 | _Sam-- | you can also use mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 19:16.31 | srpenney | _Sam--: I'm looking at the data now |
| 19:16.54 | _Sam-- | good. sounds like are you nearly done. you just need to make the array start with linux. |
| 19:16.58 | stew | piasdom: just get whomever provided you with that kernel to give you the headers and/or the source |
| 19:17.01 | wols_ | stew: specialized software might be windows only |
| 19:17.02 | piasdom | stew:i want to run winXP in linux |
| 19:17.06 | _Sam-- | having the partition types be linux-auto-raid would be better, but you'll be fine. |
| 19:17.30 | srpenney | _Sam--: Thanks a lot. Now I just have to get rid of the duplicates that appear in nautlius and I'm all set |
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| 19:18.26 | _Sam-- | srpenney : you're close, but not all set just yet. getting there. glad i could help, you probably could have saved us both about an hour by being root / su :) |
| 19:18.57 | tuv | how do i make sure the same usb disk always gets the same device name/number? e.g. /dev/sdb |
| 19:19.06 | srpenney | _Sam--: I could have saved myself much more time than that.... and likely cost you none at all. |
| 19:19.13 | srpenney | _Sam--: But thanks nonetheless |
| 19:19.30 | _Sam-- | srpenney : anytime, i really enjoy softraid. if you need more help just holler. |
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| 19:19.43 | srpenney | _Sam--: will do |
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| 19:20.57 | srpenney | _Sam--: A quick one before you leave, what script should I add this to so it's done at start up? |
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| 19:21.08 | _Sam-- | srpenney: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 19:21.14 | _Sam-- | there is a command to issue to the running array |
| 19:21.19 | _Sam-- | to make it save whats needed there. |
| 19:21.32 | _Sam-- | that is what i was saying also about the partition type being linux-raid-autodetect |
| 19:22.07 | srpenney | _Sam--: ah, if it's linux-raid-autodetect it just sorts it out on it's own |
| 19:22.18 | _Sam-- | you also might want to check your fstab |
| 19:22.34 | srpenney | _Sam--: That's for mounting after the array is created correct? |
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| 19:23.22 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.22 | _Sam-- | mdadm -Es | grep md0 >>/etc/mdadm.conf |
| 19:23.34 | _Sam-- | (adjust the path to your mdadm.conf) |
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| 19:24.51 | _Sam-- | then you still need to tell your fstab to mount the md0 every boot. |
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| 19:26.05 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro: where are you! |
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| 19:36.15 | sepski | i have installed debian lenny using daily built cd's my machine (blade server) have igb based network cards. and i can not get it to pass traffic at all. it looks like it is up it is configured correctly dmesg reports that the link is up. but no traffic. anyone have a hint to how i could troubleshoot ? |
| 19:36.50 | _Sam-- | sepski: set a proper route, maybe debian got confused cause you have 2 cards |
| 19:37.00 | _Sam-- | or maybe you told it the wrong card was your gateway |
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| 19:37.19 | wols_ | sepski: what network chips? |
| 19:37.28 | _Sam-- | ifconfig doesnt show the network interfaces with IPs? |
| 19:38.08 | sepski | sure it does. it looks like it is working perfectly except no packages |
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| 19:38.17 | _Sam-- | you mean, no packets? |
| 19:38.50 | format_c | sepski, did you also check the speed/duplex settings with ethtool ? |
| 19:39.18 | _Sam-- | if ifconfig is reporting IPs that look familiar to you, then i would next check my routes make sure the default route is correct. |
| 19:39.20 | sepski | the route is added correctly and autonegotiation succeeds and speed and duplex is correct |
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| 19:39.47 | sepski | default route is also correct (when i configure staticaly) since dhcp obviously fail |
| 19:40.21 | clark_kent | Hello |
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| 19:40.26 | format_c | I guess iptables is not configured? |
| 19:40.28 | sepski | it is very similar to this. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.2/+bug/236268 except i dont use vlan into the machine, nor any xen/vmware stuff |
| 19:40.32 | format_c | clark_kent, hi |
| 19:40.33 | sepski | format_c, not even installed |
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| 19:41.06 | PeterFA | What name do I need for a raid device node for mdadm? It complains no matter what I say. |
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| 19:42.24 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : just paste the command you are trying |
| 19:42.25 | format_c | sepski, no duplicate or invalid MAC-Addresses which might be ignored by the switch? |
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| 19:42.34 | sepski | have to install lspci to see the chips but it is intel igb driver. |
| 19:42.37 | clark_kent | Actual manpage of update-module says it's an OBSOLETE command and do nothing, I found no alternative to it ... what is the actual way to automatically load a new module in the kernel at startup? thx |
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| 19:42.50 | PeterFA | mdadm --create /dev/md -l 1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 19:42.53 | format_c | but you said no outgoing packets in `ifconfig` |
| 19:42.55 | sepski | format_c, same nic works with windows. so i assume not.. and i see no log messages to that effect |
| 19:43.04 | srpenney | PeterFA: no space between -l 1? |
| 19:43.07 | _Sam-- | peter : add 0 to /dev/md |
| 19:43.13 | PeterFA | srpenney, there's a space there. |
| 19:43.17 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.26 | _Sam-- | you also didnt specify the raid pariutions |
| 19:43.31 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.34 | _Sam-- | needs /dev/sda1 |
| 19:43.35 | _Sam-- | etc |
| 19:43.52 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I wanted to RAID the drives and not partitions. |
| 19:44.11 | _Sam-- | softraid only works on partitions. |
| 19:44.14 | _Sam-- | as far as i know anyway. |
| 19:44.17 | PeterFA | _Sam--, and there's no partition table on the second... I was hoping the mirroring would cause that to magically happen. |
| 19:44.18 | format_c | sepski, can you locally connect e.g. with ssh to the IP address of the affected interface? |
| 19:44.33 | _Sam-- | peterS: no, you need to create the raid partitions yourself, on both drives. |
| 19:44.38 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I heard differently yesterday that you can do harddrives. |
| 19:44.41 | _Sam-- | fdisk, set them both to linux auto-raid |
| 19:44.42 | srpenney | _Sam--: 'tis a busy day \n for the raid array. |
| 19:44.44 | PeterFA | _Sam--, but the guy wasn't sure. |
| 19:44.56 | sepski | http://supermicro.com/products/SuperBlade/module/SBI-7425C-S3.cfm |
| 19:45.25 | _Sam-- | sepski : it seems as if you've answered your own question with your bug report find. |
| 19:46.23 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you can raid the whole drive, but each partition will need to be its own array. |
| 19:46.35 | Checkerz | how do I Check whether a process hanged? |
| 19:46.40 | _Sam-- | you cant just do /dev/sda |
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| 19:46.46 | PeterFA | _Sam--, oh darn. |
| 19:46.59 | JPT | Checkerz: look for a Z-State in top |
| 19:47.05 | _Sam-- | although, i could be wrong like usual. |
| 19:47.12 | sepski | _Sam--, they mention that without vlans it worked for them... |
| 19:47.15 | _Sam-- | im seeing some documentation that says what you want it to say. |
| 19:47.35 | PeterFA | _Sam--, well, the error came back to say, "Error opening /dev/md0, no such device or address." |
| 19:47.40 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you CAN do it the way you want. you , and he...are right. |
| 19:47.45 | korhojoa | hey guys so how come debian sucks? |
| 19:47.49 | Checkerz | my bash console stopped responding and ctrl+c doesn't help, what do I do? |
| 19:47.54 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you need to mknod |
| 19:47.56 | sepski | format_c, ssh to localhost and to the eth0 ip address works |
| 19:48.04 | PeterFA | _Sam--, oh. |
| 19:48.06 | JPT | Checkerz: in that case, you should reboot |
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| 19:48.18 | asg | Checkerz: see if ctrl+q unfreezes it |
| 19:48.36 | _Sam-- | mknod /dev/md0 b 9 0 |
| 19:48.41 | Checkerz | JPT, no other way? it's just the second one (alt+f2) |
| 19:48.44 | format_c | sepski, strange |
| 19:48.44 | Checkerz | asg, nope |
| 19:48.48 | korhojoa | whoa. noone seems to care. that's odd. i'd at least defend debian, the bestest distroest. everest! |
| 19:48.50 | JPT | one moment |
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| 19:49.04 | sepski | no arp entries at all |
| 19:49.10 | format_c | do you have now outgoing packets on the interface? |
| 19:49.10 | JPT | Checkerz: you can still start progs and shells, only the second shell is frozen ? |
| 19:49.10 | korhojoa | i'm doing a drunk rambling irc monologue. keep ignoring me. |
| 19:49.11 | amphi | Checkerz: you could alt-sysrq-k on that VT to get back to a login |
| 19:49.12 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you also need to modprobe raid1 |
| 19:49.17 | _Sam-- | and maybe modprobe raid5 |
| 19:49.21 | asg | Checkerz: how about ctrl+z? (also, is this in an xterm or something) |
| 19:49.24 | _Sam-- | depending on what raid youare trying. |
| 19:49.34 | Checkerz | ctrl+alt+f4 gavelogin) |
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| 19:50.07 | PeterFA | _Sam--, just raid 1. |
| 19:50.08 | sepski | hrmf guess i have to try to compile them from source ;/ |
| 19:50.12 | Checkerz | oops, nit |
| 19:50.17 | clark_kent | I need to autoload ndiswrapper at startup to Debian Lenny, what is the correct way to do that? thx |
| 19:50.22 | Checkerz | amphi, what's sysrq? |
| 19:50.27 | PeterFA | _Sam--, what's the major number for md? |
| 19:50.33 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.43 | Checkerz | JPT, yes |
| 19:51.09 | asg | clark_kent: add 'ndiswrapper' to /etc/modules ; configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:51.15 | Checkerz | it is shell number 2 not xterm |
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| 19:51.29 | JPT | Checkerz: okay... then you might easily kill the getty that's frozen and respawn it... (have a look at `top`) |
| 19:51.31 | format_c | sepski, so for the moment problematic with the kernel-based driver? |
| 19:51.39 | wols_ | Checkerz: it does automatically when you install it |
| 19:52.01 | sepski | the debian linux-image 2.6.26 that's in the lenny daily build |
| 19:52.09 | sepski | ill try the intel source tomorrow |
| 19:52.27 | wols_ | sepski: with intel chips: use 2.6.27 |
| 19:52.42 | Checkerz | JPT, how do I know which one? |
| 19:52.50 | format_c | try this . but you should also open a bug report that the problem can be fixed |
| 19:52.51 | sepski | wols_, well it's not quite in lenny yet now is it :/ |
| 19:52.53 | Checkerz | JPT, there are two getty |
| 19:52.58 | sepski | wols_, ill try it tomorrow |
| 19:52.59 | JPT | only two ? .. |
| 19:53.00 | _Sam-- | Checkerz : you could also do 'init q' |
| 19:53.03 | sepski | thanks for the help all |
| 19:53.05 | _Sam-- | that reinits all getties. |
| 19:53.06 | clark_kent | asg: thx a lot |
| 19:53.11 | _Sam-- | if one is hung it should give a message. |
| 19:53.12 | asg | clark_kent: you're welcome |
| 19:53.39 | wols_ | sepski: 2.6.24 and newer intel nics have a bug that could destroy hardware |
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| 19:53.55 | oggei | hi |
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| 19:54.33 | wols_ | erm. 2.6.26 and newer intel nics |
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| 19:56.03 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : getting anywhere? |
| 19:56.12 | PeterFA | What's the command to force Linux to reread the partition table. |
| 19:56.23 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I have to coach this guy through it. |
| 19:56.23 | CoolCold | partprobe |
| 19:56.33 | PeterFA | CoolCold, I've never heard that command before! |
| 19:56.43 | tuv | how do i make sure the same usb disk always gets the same device name/number? e.g. /dev/sdb |
| 19:56.52 | JPT | wasnt there something with ioctl() ? |
| 19:56.53 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you need to create the filesystem on the new md0 or what? |
| 19:57.05 | _Sam-- | you just want to see the partitions? fdisk -l |
| 19:57.08 | CoolCold | PeterFA: i guess someday u never heard about linux |
| 19:57.56 | PeterFA | _Sam--, here's the scenereo: I have Linux already installed on a harddrive that I want to turn into a raid1 with a second hd. I'd like to do the entire partition table, but that doesn't look possible. |
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| 19:58.15 | _Sam-- | its possible, and ive done the same thing. |
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| 19:58.36 | _Sam-- | first, you need to create a raid array with the root drive and a missing 2nd drive |
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| 19:58.38 | noppe | any eta on when radeonhd 1.2.2 will be in testing/unstable ? |
| 19:58.42 | CoolCold | sfdisk -d can help btw |
| 19:58.44 | _Sam-- | then you hot add the 2nd drive to array |
| 19:58.50 | _Sam-- | and then the 2nd drive starts mirroring. |
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| 19:59.14 | phz | tuv: I believe you can use aliases in /etc/fstab for that function. Then you can access the disk via its alias instead of its /dev/sdX path |
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| 19:59.38 | CVirus | I'm moving to Debian after 4 years of Gentoo .... Anyone got any suggestions ? |
| 19:59.47 | _Sam-- | you will need to create the first array with / mounted as md0. it will require a reboot to do it. |
| 20:00.11 | CoolCold | CVirus: gentoo is fast! even light is 5% faster in gentoo |
| 20:00.23 | _Sam-- | first, you create the array as md0 with the missing drive. then you tell fstab to mount md0 as / next boot |
| 20:00.23 | phz | tuv: I meant "label", not "alias". "man fstab" |
| 20:00.32 | CVirus | CoolCold, yeah .. I noticed |
| 20:00.37 | _Sam-- | then when you boot next time, you will be booted from a degraded raid array |
| 20:00.44 | _Sam-- | then you add the 2nd drive to the array and it start mirroring. |
| 20:01.01 | CVirus | CoolCold, Gentoo is the most flexible thing ever .. no doubt about it |
| 20:01.04 | stew | CVirus: "/msg dpkg grounding" for lots of reference material, but without a more specific question, its going to be hard to give you advice |
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| 20:01.25 | CVirus | thanks alot |
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| 20:01.39 | Bladesman | Anyone get a mailserver to work using one of the dynamic DNS providers, without having to pay for it? |
| 20:02.09 | _Sam-- | Bladesman : most mail servers require a forward and reverse IP lookup....do you have control of the reverse dns for your IP? |
| 20:02.13 | jameswhite | Does anyone know the apt options for a completely unattended install of a package? I'm trying to install slapd with cfengine and it keeps hanging on the admin password prompt... |
| 20:02.33 | et | are there .configs available for the stock debian kernels? |
| 20:02.34 | _Sam-- | Bladesman : if you control the reverse dns for your ip, it should work fine. |
| 20:02.39 | simNIX | Bladesman, yes; It can be done with noip and dyndns for instance (free domain with setable mx) |
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| 20:03.02 | jameswhite | et: yes, they are in /boot/config-* |
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| 20:03.45 | Bladesman | I have no idea. First time I'v tried this. Google's got my imap/pop3 setup so screwed I can't send mail, and I'm blind and nothing I have supports web mail. |
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| 20:04.14 | petemc | Bladesman: google has it screwed? hows that? |
| 20:04.15 | _Sam-- | Bladesman : squirrelmail is pretty easy to use via apt-get |
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| 20:05.42 | Bladesman | I donno that either. My ISP switched over to gmail, and while I can receive via getmail, I still can't send. |
| 20:06.06 | _Sam-- | thats probably because google and gmail use SPF |
| 20:06.10 | _Sam-- | sending policy framework. |
| 20:06.22 | petemc | you think? |
| 20:06.37 | simNIX | thunderbird can conect to google mail ... squirel is realy great with imap backend |
| 20:06.41 | petemc | if you have an account with google, via your isp, then you would be authenticating |
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| 20:08.11 | Bladesman | Authentication seems to be the problem. Gmail doesn't seem to like my exim4. |
| 20:08.20 | tuv | phz, thanks! |
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| 20:08.37 | swa | Bladesman, http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 20:09.06 | jameswhite | nevermind: changing the priority of debconf to noninteractive/critical removes the slapd install prompt. |
| 20:09.12 | Bladesman | What do I use to support reverse dns lookups? Do I set it up at dyndns, or at my end with some kind of software/? |
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| 20:10.00 | _Sam-- | Bladesman : you would use 'bind9', or you isp would do it for you. |
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| 20:11.00 | swa | you would need a static ip Bladesman for rdns |
| 20:11.12 | jameswhite | now I just need to figure out how to "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" non-interactively... |
| 20:11.17 | Bladesman | K. Sorry to the others (squirrelmail/thunderbird). My screen reader for the blind doesn't werk with most programs, but I have full access to the command prompt. |
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| 20:12.23 | _Sam-- | Bladesman : i could be wrong (usually am), so maybe the reverse dns lookup is no longer crucial to running a real mail server on the web. i dont know, but i always thought that mail servers needed to match forward and reverse dns for the mail to be successfully delivered at most places. like i said, i could be , and usually am, wrong. |
| 20:12.48 | bartden | does there exist a mac os X panel for linux |
| 20:12.57 | _Sam-- | so i will have to defer any other answers, because i dont know the facts. |
| 20:13.54 | swa | your mostly correct .. most servers are configured to check rdns records .. the biggest problem facing most home mailserver setups is ISP blocking of port 25 |
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| 20:14.20 | lynx | hi there |
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| 20:14.50 | swa | but exim4 can be configured as a smarthost |
| 20:14.54 | swa | using gmail |
| 20:15.14 | ricosecada | When I want the disk to turn off during safe mode should poweron_standby from hdparm.conf be set to on or off? |
| 20:15.19 | Bladesman | Well, I'll try bind. Been unable to mail anyone for a month now, and every time I've gotten mail working in Windows, google sees fit to changes setting on me again <laughs> Thought I'd try bypassing both my ISP and Gmail. |
| 20:15.42 | Bladesman | Thank you for the help. |
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| 20:16.27 | _Sam-- | bladesman: before you waste your time, bind wont help, unless you have the authority to name your IPs. |
| 20:16.29 | petemc | wonder how long it will take that chap to realise he cant change a ptr record that hasnt been delegated to him |
| 20:16.32 | _Sam-- | heh. |
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| 20:16.38 | swa | heh |
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| 20:17.31 | jameswhite | umm, you can set a ptr that hasn't been assigned to you. |
| 20:17.44 | petemc | negative |
| 20:17.48 | _Sam-- | if he isnt authoritative for his ip, it wont matter. |
| 20:17.54 | jameswhite | you set all your clients to point to a dns server that overrides the soa |
| 20:18.02 | _Sam-- | its not his clients. |
| 20:18.07 | jameswhite | oh. |
| 20:18.09 | jameswhite | my bad. |
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| 20:18.46 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you delete both drives accidentally yet? |
| 20:18.59 | Checkerz | how do I see the output of a program running in background? |
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| 20:19.13 | _Sam-- | Checkerz : you put in the background yourself? |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | !tell Checkerz about grounding |
| 20:19.32 | abrotman | Checkerz: someprogram & |
| 20:19.57 | Checkerz | _Sam--, nope, its bash got killed) |
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| 20:20.26 | Checkerz | abrotman, I don't want to start it in background |
| 20:20.36 | _Sam-- | you probably wont be able to see its output. again, im no expert there, someone else would need to give a more definitive answer. but if its controlling terminal is gone, i dont think you can get any of its output. |
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| 20:21.31 | jameswhite | _Sam--: that's correct, STDOUT/STDERR handles are undefined when you lose the controlling shell in that manner |
| 20:21.40 | Checkerz | damn |
| 20:21.44 | Checkerz | that's no good |
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| 20:22.09 | jameswhite | Checkerz: redirect that stuff before backgrounding is the best habit |
| 20:22.29 | Checkerz | jameswhite, redirect? how? |
| 20:22.32 | _Sam-- | ./program1 >>/var/log/program1 & |
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| 20:22.48 | jameswhite | command > command.stdout.log 2>command.stderr.log & |
| 20:23.03 | jameswhite | or command > command.both.log 2>&1 |
| 20:23.05 | jameswhite | & |
| 20:23.08 | _Sam-- | yeah i forgot the 2>&1 one |
| 20:23.10 | Checkerz | can the size of logs be limited? |
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| 20:23.31 | jameswhite | Checkerz: by the filesystem size :) |
| 20:23.42 | Derak24 | hi |
| 20:23.48 | _Sam-- | you could write a simple script to keep the filesize in check. |
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| 20:24.07 | jameswhite | Checkerz: if you really need to limit the log size, you'll need to pipe it to something that will carve them up for you like cronolog |
| 20:24.24 | jameswhite | or what _Sam-- said |
| 20:24.29 | _Sam-- | you could somehow also just make the logfile part of logrotate or some such too, i think anyway. |
| 20:24.48 | jameswhite | cronolog is a logrotate that reads from a pipe |
| 20:24.52 | Checkerz | ok, thanks? I'm gone |
| 20:25.02 | jameswhite | so you don't have open file handle issues |
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| 20:27.06 | lynx | short question does someone know why debian testing dont configure the grafikcard and monitor when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 20:27.25 | Derak24 | they nerfed it |
| 20:27.26 | Derak24 | lol |
| 20:27.26 | lynx | i also tried dpkg-reconfigure debconf -> medium | low |
| 20:27.31 | stew | lynx: becuase they are automatically detected at runtime |
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| 20:27.50 | lynx | hmm but there are no entries in the xorg.conf |
| 20:28.11 | Derak24 | i guess the new xorg doesnt need all that resolutions and stuff |
| 20:28.11 | stew | lynx: right, they don't need to be statically detected in xorg.conf, they are detected when you actually run x |
| 20:28.21 | lynx | ah ok |
| 20:28.42 | stew | lynx: if the autodetection doesn't work for you, you could statically configure it in xorg.conf, but most setups, it shouldn't be required |
| 20:28.54 | _Sam-- | stew: do you know how i would fix my utmp/wtmp ....w and who dont show who's currently logged in, but 'last' is fine.... |
| 20:28.58 | stew | lynx: and you should be able to adjust things like resolution at runtime with xrandr |
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| 20:29.06 | lynx | ah ok |
| 20:29.11 | lynx | thank you stew |
| 20:29.13 | lynx | : |
| 20:29.15 | lynx | :) |
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| 20:30.14 | lynx | nerver installed testing directly :) |
| 20:30.24 | lynx | before |
| 20:30.25 | stew | _Sam--: don't really know. it appears that w uses /var/run/utmp |
| 20:30.43 | stew | as does who |
| 20:31.02 | _Sam-- | thanks maybe i'll just make a new one. |
| 20:31.16 | stew | _Sam--: what is or isnt' showing up in w? |
| 20:31.30 | _Sam-- | stew: there are users logged in via ssh, who dont show in w. |
| 20:31.43 | PeterFA | What's the default dhcp client? |
| 20:31.49 | stew | _Sam--: i'm guessing now, but what does "grep UsePAM /etc/ssh/sshd_config" return? |
| 20:32.38 | enouf | hi ; just in case anyone thinks that a smart bs= value doesn't matter when using dd if=/dev/zero to overwrite HDDs and partitions - have a gander http://paste.debian.net/19236/ |
| 20:32.44 | stew | PeterFA: dhcp3-client |
| 20:32.52 | _Sam-- | stew : right on. i made a new sshd, and it had a different sshd_confid that had UsePam No |
| 20:32.58 | _Sam-- | my previous was UsePam Yes |
| 20:33.05 | _Sam-- | lemme change that and see. |
| 20:33.23 | stew | _Sam--: then it is probabaly pam_unix that does it in /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 20:33.54 | stew | enouf: now compare with cp and cat |
| 20:34.12 | stew | enouf: cp should be similar to bs=4m, and i have no idea about cat |
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| 20:34.27 | enouf | stew: ahh.. right |
| 20:34.43 | stew | enouf: i've been meaning to do exactly this :) |
| 20:34.50 | PeterFA | Now, I just set up a raid in a Knoppix environment, but the raid is going to be the new /. |
| 20:34.53 | stew | or instead of cat, use pv |
| 20:35.00 | PeterFA | How do I configure the bootstrap loader for this? |
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| 20:35.32 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : mdadm.conf and fstab |
| 20:36.02 | PeterFA | _Sam--, that's it? |
| 20:36.03 | _Sam-- | modify to your system: |
| 20:36.04 | _Sam-- | To add RAID device md0 to /etc/mdadm.conf so that it is recognized the next time you boot. |
| 20:36.04 | _Sam-- | mdadm -Es | grep md0 >>/etc/mdadm.conf |
| 20:36.13 | _Sam-- | then after that, edit fstab to show md0 as / |
| 20:36.28 | PeterFA | _Sam--, no fancy grub stuff? |
| 20:36.32 | _Sam-- | this is one of my fstab entry: |
| 20:36.38 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.47 | _Sam-- | grub should still boot fine from either drive. |
| 20:36.58 | _Sam-- | its only when it gets to mount root that md0 becomes in play. |
| 20:37.20 | Kovensky | grub needs /boot to be out of raid, IIRC |
| 20:37.44 | _Sam-- | Kovensky : in my case /boot is in the md0 fine. |
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| 20:37.52 | _Sam-- | but because it exists on both drives also as mirror...it is also fine. |
| 20:37.55 | _Sam-- | (i think anyway) |
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| 20:38.12 | _Sam-- | there is /sda1/boot and /md0/boot ....same contents. |
| 20:38.16 | Kovensky | _Sam--: well, I'm talking of soft raids here |
| 20:38.21 | _Sam-- | yes, me too. |
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| 20:38.27 | Kovensky | oh, same contents |
| 20:38.40 | Kovensky | grub doesn't have the device-mapper so it can't mount something on raid/lvm/evms |
| 20:38.57 | _Sam-- | it doesnt have too. because /boot exists on all raid partitions of the array. |
| 20:39.02 | _Sam-- | even without md0 |
| 20:39.37 | _Sam-- | like you could remove one of the drives from the raid, mount it outside of raid as a regular drive, and it still contains /boot |
| 20:40.04 | _Sam-- | i have my grub setup to boot from /boot of any raid drive in my array, in case any fail. |
| 20:40.28 | Kovensky | oh, that works :) |
| 20:40.28 | jelly-home | have you installed it on all drives? |
| 20:40.29 | Kovensky | I use lvm |
| 20:40.40 | jkimball4 | If i get a kernel panic, where would i start with figuring out the cause? I don't see anything in logs. |
| 20:40.45 | Kovensky | have a 100M /boot and everything else is part of a single VG |
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| 20:41.20 | PeterFA | http://rafb.net/p/tN6wdJ48.html <-- is this a good mdadm.conf? |
| 20:41.27 | _Sam-- | jelly-home : yeah, all i had to do was setup each (hd) |
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| 20:42.20 | enouf | stew: bah, sending the same kill -SIGUSR1 $PID kills it .. not sure how i can get cp to show me output, .. watch df would do no good - or, i guess i have to wait for completion and compare total time, etc? |
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| 20:45.38 | merlo | hello, I'm using lenny and i'm trying to install a package called libavcodec-dev. The problem is that apt complains about some missing dependencies (it says that the pkg depends on an older version of libavcodec that is not going to be installed becouse a newer version is already available in my system)... how can i fix this problem? |
| 20:46.28 | merlo | it is just one line, maybe i can paste the error here: libavcodec-dev: Depends: libavcodec51 (= 0.svn20080206-14) but 3:20080706-0.2 is to be installed |
| 20:46.42 | scgtrp | i'm having a problem with my new debian install. grub starts to load, then the monitor goes blank and says "no input signal". i have no splash images or anything defined in menu.lst, and i've tried grub from both etch and sid, as well as a vanilla grub from gnu's ftp mirror. what else should i try? |
| 20:46.45 | Fiskah | how do I search in my previously entered commands in the terminal? |
| 20:46.58 | _Sam-- | Fiskah : ~/.bash_history |
| 20:47.05 | _Sam-- | grep would be one way. |
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| 20:47.12 | merlo | Fiskah: check the hist... thats it |
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| 20:48.35 | stew | enouf: yeah, with cp you'd have to check total time. pv should work as a cat replacement |
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| 20:49.58 | merlo | no one? i don't need to be guided step by step, even a "you're screwed" is enough |
| 20:50.06 | enouf | PeterFA: i recall reading that mdadm.conf is now in /etc/mdadm/ ? (maybe) check it out in the docs |
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| 20:50.23 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you just need one line |
| 20:50.31 | _Sam-- | the command i pasted you creates the proper mdadm.conf |
| 20:50.31 | PeterFA | _Sam--, ok. |
| 20:50.38 | DasEi | where is the xorg.conf located, also /etc |
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| 20:50.40 | _Sam-- | To add RAID device md0 to /etc/mdadm.conf so that it is recognized the next time you boot. |
| 20:50.40 | _Sam-- | mdadm -Es | grep md0 >>/etc/mdadm.conf |
| 20:50.40 | DasEi | ? |
| 20:50.44 | enouf | stew: ok, let me see here |
| 20:50.44 | merlo | /etc/X11 |
| 20:50.48 | merlo | there it is |
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| 20:51.10 | DasEi | scgcrp here ? |
| 20:51.15 | scgtrp | DasEi, this has nothing to do with xorg. it's just grub. this happens before the kernel loads |
| 20:51.21 | DasEi | thy, merlo |
| 20:51.43 | enouf | i think it's the wrong file _Sam-- but i might be mistaken - i'll let PeterFA find out ;-) |
| 20:51.56 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : you should also have: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/examples/mdadm.conf-example |
| 20:52.06 | PeterFA | enouf, I corrected it to say >>/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 20:52.14 | _Sam-- | enouf : i think you are right...in my debian, its /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 20:52.25 | _Sam-- | i had told him before to adjust it to his system. |
| 20:52.54 | enouf | see /etc/default/mdadm |
| 20:53.04 | enouf | " ....should mdadm start arrays listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf automatically .... " |
| 20:53.05 | DasEi | scgcrp: hmm, you get the boot menue and then blank screen and sysing no signal, that sounds to me like graphics shot down to prevent damge in due to wrong config |
| 20:53.09 | Hypavisah | enouf, mdaddym |
| 20:53.12 | Hypavisah | heh |
| 20:53.21 | enouf | d u d e ..... |
| 20:53.29 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:53.38 | scgtrp | DasEi, what wrong config? it's 80x25 text mode. i don't know of an x86 pc that doesn't support it. |
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| 20:53.50 | _Sam-- | enouf : that is true by default. |
| 20:53.57 | _Sam-- | usually not much to change in that place. |
| 20:54.07 | _Sam-- | but good to look at it nontheless |
| 20:54.12 | DasEi | scgcrp: the login screen is x |
| 20:54.18 | enouf | mine has AUTOSTART=false _Sam-- |
| 20:54.20 | scgtrp | i have no x installed. this is a server |
| 20:54.23 | scgtrp | this is GRUB |
| 20:54.32 | phz | Fiskah: Another way to search your previously entered commands is to press Ctrl+R in a shell (in Bash at least) and then start typing the phrase you are looking for |
| 20:54.37 | _Sam-- | mine is AUTOSTART=true, never edited that file in my life. |
| 20:54.39 | enouf | oh, maybe i dpkg-reconfigured it - nm ;-) |
| 20:54.56 | Fiskah | phz: Ah right. That was the one I was looking for ;-) Thanks |
| 20:54.57 | enouf | i forgot :-P |
| 20:55.00 | DasEi | scgcrp: I see, headless server |
| 20:55.01 | _Sam-- | either way, good looking out. i forgot that file even exists. |
| 20:55.12 | enouf | righto |
| 20:55.16 | PeterFA | hates copying from Eterm. |
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| 20:55.28 | scgtrp | DasEi, there is a monitor+keyboard connected to it, but only temporarily |
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| 20:56.55 | DasEi | scgcrp: and you didn't change them after installation (monitor), but grubs leads you directly to the blank or are there some lines working before ? |
| 20:56.57 | enouf | stew: will cp print me an elaspsed time when completed? i forget offhand - i'm watching it in htop, but i don't trust the timer in there |
| 20:57.08 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, why? |
| 20:57.10 | stew | enouf: no it won't |
| 20:57.11 | scgtrp | DasEi, i see "grub loading" and then it goes blank |
| 20:57.18 | scgtrp | like right when i would have seen the menu |
| 20:57.18 | PeterFA | Hypavisah, I can't put anything on the clipboard. |
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| 20:57.25 | enouf | stew: /me pulls out the stopwatch? :-) |
| 20:57.26 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, oh |
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| 20:57.30 | DasEi | scgcrp: so even no grub menu ? |
| 20:57.36 | seb- | how hard is it to apply a patch to a deb package on your system? |
| 20:57.42 | stew | enouf: there is the "time" shell modifier |
| 20:57.42 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, eterm is an X11 app |
| 20:57.50 | enouf | oh oh ... /me runs time in an alternate shell |
| 20:57.52 | PeterFA | Now do I put text into the x clipboard. |
| 20:57.54 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, its not made to work with a clipboard only selection afaik |
| 20:58.00 | enouf | drats - you beat me to it stew :-P |
| 20:58.02 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, you can? |
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| 20:58.09 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : highlight it. |
| 20:58.22 | Hypavisah | _Sam--, selection != clipboard |
| 20:58.31 | Hypavisah | selection buffer is totally diff space |
| 20:58.43 | DasEi | scgcrp: you could use a live cd to watch /var/log/syslog for errors ore try super-grub-disk if its grub being broken |
| 20:58.44 | dondelelcaro | _Sam--: heh; sitting in a bar; about to leave to get on a plane |
| 20:58.52 | Hypavisah | dondelelcaro, where to? |
| 20:58.57 | _Sam-- | ok. i havent use a GUI in 10 years. |
| 20:58.57 | dondelelcaro | home |
| 20:58.58 | PeterFA | It won't paste out. |
| 20:59.00 | Hypavisah | oh |
| 20:59.08 | stew | enouf: then you have to run it with bs=1 up to bs=1TB and give is pretty graphs showing us the exact sweet spot |
| 20:59.12 | PeterFA | Like I can paste into the same window, but I can't paste into another window. |
| 20:59.13 | PeterFA | It's very annoying. |
| 20:59.14 | _Sam-- | dondelelcaro : good to hear from you -- have a safe trip. |
| 20:59.22 | Hypavisah | dondelelcaro, I'm trying to fly home this coming spring |
| 20:59.25 | PeterFA | So, how do I send text from a command line to the clipboard buffer? |
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| 20:59.40 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, hmm |
| 20:59.43 | enouf | stew: bs=1 .. hahaha |
| 20:59.47 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, I know you can interact with KDE |
| 20:59.49 | Hypavisah | er.. |
| 20:59.56 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, KDE's Klipper via DCOP |
| 20:59.59 | esds | i am very close to shoot my debian install in my VM |
| 21:00.03 | stew | enouf: that will probably turn out to not be the sweet spot |
| 21:00.10 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, I'm not sure about Gnome/XFCE or anything else |
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| 21:00.28 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, you can run Klipper in gnome too |
| 21:00.38 | enouf | stew: i recall someone actually complaining about how slow using dd was - then he showed us a paste, and had bs=1 O_O |
| 21:00.40 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, or just don't use Eterm |
| 21:00.58 | Hypavisah | PeterFA, use a terminal emulator app that lets you right click and copy/paste from clipboard or has ctrl+c/v |
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| 21:01.06 | enouf | stew: bs=1 count=822588 .. or something silly |
| 21:01.19 | PeterFA | Hypavisah, that doesn't work in Eterm. |
| 21:01.20 | Hypavisah | uhm |
| 21:01.22 | stew | PeterFA: look at xclip or xsel |
| 21:01.32 | Hypavisah | hmm |
| 21:01.34 | Hypavisah | xclip you say |
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| 21:02.04 | Hypavisah | xclip is a command line utility that is designed to run on any system with an X11 implementation. It provides an interface to X selections ("the clipboard") from the command line. |
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| 21:02.07 | Hypavisah | very nice |
| 21:02.10 | esds | HOW COME |
| 21:02.37 | Hypavisah | dpkg xclip is a command line utility that is designed to run on any system with an X11 implementation. It provides an interface to X selections ("the clipboard") from the command line. aptitude install xclip |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | okay, Hypavisah |
| 21:02.38 | enouf | Hypavisah: IIRC, a while back when i inquired about something about klipper in #-kde, i was told xclip is what klipper uses, IIRC - i forget for sure though |
| 21:02.47 | Hypavisah | ahh |
| 21:02.49 | Hypavisah | word |
| 21:02.59 | esds | this doesnt work; I copied my old config from my last RUNNING kernel, downloaded sources with apt, installed using kernel-package tools, used mkinitrd on the image and STILL i get the VFS kernel panic error |
| 21:03.04 | esds | why? |
| 21:03.41 | esds | LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 54c1030 PCi-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra 320 SCSI |
| 21:03.43 | esds | Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra 320 SCSI |
| 21:04.00 | esds | that's what lspci gave out (vmware) and i cant find that in menuconfig either |
| 21:04.25 | Eulex | find out what chipset it has. |
| 21:04.39 | Eulex | and/or what driver it requires |
| 21:04.58 | esds | Eulex: should it matter? Since ive copied the .config from a kernel that worked? |
| 21:05.06 | Eulex | make sure it is either built statically into your kernel, or that it is in a initrd |
| 21:05.19 | Eulex | esds, are you sure you have the appropriate module in the initrd? |
| 21:05.21 | enouf | stew the thing about the dd test though was, i wanted to do it when i knew there was data on the drive (to be overwritten/replaced by zeros) not when it was already all zeros - but - this partition is going to be used as a scratchpad, so i'll have more opportunities to run various tests over time |
| 21:05.57 | esds | Eulex: i have no idea, since I copied my old config |
| 21:06.02 | esds | it should work imo |
| 21:06.17 | esds | Eulex: and the scsi driver cant be found |
| 21:06.18 | esds | :\ |
| 21:06.28 | Eulex | esds, a .config does not describe what modules to put in an initrd. |
| 21:06.59 | stew | esds: you literally used mkinitrd? or did you use some other initrd tool like mkinitramfs? |
| 21:07.07 | esds | mkinitrd |
| 21:07.27 | stew | esds: you shouldn't use mkinitrd on recent kernels, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 21:07.40 | Eulex | actually, when I built a custom kernel I didn't bother with an initrd (I wasn't gonna use the kernel on more than on machine anyway) so I just built the required drivers into the kernel |
| 21:07.52 | esds | stew: okay |
| 21:08.00 | stew | esds: the recommended way to build a kernel is: "/msg dpkg kp" |
| 21:08.01 | esds | Eulex: i would have too, but i couldnt find the driver |
| 21:08.16 | stew | esds: and you'd have to make sure that you told your bootloader about the initrd |
| 21:08.25 | esds | stew: i have |
| 21:08.35 | esds | i did modules_install, got no complaints |
| 21:08.41 | enouf | stew: but the 3MB/sec vs 20MB/sec don't lie ;-) .. if you noticed in my paste, i had stopped it orig after ~2GB, and i know atleast 14G of data was on the drive - although, i did do a mkreiserfs on it just prior to zeroing (but running strings on it just after showed still scattered data - mostly after the 1M mark) ... and will run mkfs again, so i can use it, once zeroing is done. But mkreiserfs was done within 5 seconds when i ran it (th |
| 21:08.41 | enouf | a 15G partition) |
| 21:08.45 | stew | esds: all of this (the bootloader and the actual creation of the initramfs) would be handled by dpkg if you build yoru kernel the debian way (using make-kpkg with the --initrd option) |
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| 21:09.23 | esds | i did that first, but mkinitrd complained about sd_mod not found, so when i did it manually it woekd |
| 21:09.30 | esds | going to give it a last try... |
| 21:09.35 | stew | esds: you did what first? |
| 21:09.49 | esds | make-kpkg |
| 21:10.03 | esds | oh, i missed the initrd flag |
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| 21:10.11 | enouf | sd_mod would go into your initrd, no? |
| 21:10.19 | enouf | heh |
| 21:10.25 | esds | enouf: should have |
| 21:10.40 | esds | that's why im so annoyed, but im redoing it all over again |
| 21:11.20 | ezguy | i startup vncserver and try to connect to it with vncviewer localhost but it fail to connect to the server. any ideas? |
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| 21:11.28 | enouf | esds: you can remake that, well, ... i think if you ran make-kpkg without --initrd, you'd need to use mkinitramfs, and create a new one, either way, place/list the modules you need in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 21:11.45 | enouf | otherwise, if --initrd was used, update-initramfs can be used |
| 21:11.51 | enouf | IINM |
| 21:12.02 | esds | enouf: okay, will try, thank you |
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| 21:12.29 | esds | i would rather have it staticly in the kernel but god damned driver , i cant find it |
| 21:12.58 | enouf | esds: some need to also add things to say /hooks (and others in /etc/initramfs-tools/*) but i think not for you, hopefully |
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| 21:14.05 | enouf | oh, well if sd_mod and others needed are in the kernel, shouldn't be an issue, unless you're also using LVM say, which requires an initrd, or something like that |
| 21:14.13 | esds | make-kpkg --initrd == nothing to be done. |
| 21:14.14 | esds | hurray |
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| 21:14.22 | enouf | haha |
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| 21:15.42 | esds | make-kpkg clean might do the trick |
| 21:16.07 | mrkac | hi to you all good people, i need help to find my mothers e mail add., we have not spoken and are not on speaking terms for the past 20 years, this is my last attempt , can anyone help please |
| 21:16.13 | enouf | i din't see your whole story above :-/ |
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| 21:17.37 | esds | btw, forgot kernel_image |
| 21:17.41 | esds | i need some sleep |
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| 21:18.22 | Derak24 | would anyone who is good with scripts and grep mind helpin me for a min? |
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| 21:18.43 | adama_ | Derak24: go ahead |
| 21:18.48 | JPT | can somebody here tell me, where in the kernel config i can disable the creation of *.fw - files ? (i'm asking in ##kernel, too, but i just need a simple answer :-) |
| 21:18.50 | CVirus | mrkac, I wonder how could anyone around here possibly help ? |
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| 21:19.02 | grulk | HI guys, Is it possible to mount a ftp folder on debian and use it as it is a filesystem folder? |
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| 21:19.14 | grulk | No graphical interface |
| 21:19.29 | Derak24 | adama_: i'll just give u the link to where i posted this ty http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/random-image-script-676345/ |
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| 21:19.45 | adama_ | ok |
| 21:20.09 | mrkac | dont know , amybe someone knows a friendly hacker chat room or web site, i know i am fishing in the dark but i thought in this big world there might be someone |
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| 21:21.02 | MariachiAC | hello, does anyone have experience with setting up exim4 for sending mail? I'm qite confused with the questions debconf asks |
| 21:21.48 | enouf | ok stew, tallies are in .. it took ~12min using dd with bs=4M, and ~18min using cp |
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| 21:22.03 | stew | enouf: excellent. good to know |
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| 21:22.29 | stew | enouf: now try with bs=4097, bs=4098, bs=4099... and make pretty graphs! :P |
| 21:22.34 | enouf | 15G partition .. and dd is showing me 20MB/sec, so .. i guess cp was going ~12.5MB/sec ? |
| 21:22.51 | adama_ | Derak24: you will need to use perl or sed I think |
| 21:23.06 | enouf | !pal stew |
| 21:23.07 | dpkg | points at stew and laughs |
| 21:23.10 | Derak24 | adama_: thanks for the help :) |
| 21:23.15 | enouf | ;-) |
| 21:23.19 | Derak24 | I'll give that a try |
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| 21:26.51 | die7 | hi all |
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| 21:26.57 | die7 | who have exp with ossec |
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| 21:31.25 | stew | dimedo: you mean to get rights on the remote machine? |
| 21:32.01 | dimedo | stew, yes |
| 21:32.57 | stew | dimedo: i don't think so |
| 21:33.13 | stew | dimedo: for a single file, instead of "scp localfile user@remotehost:remotefile" you could perhaps do, "ssh user@remotehost sudo dd of=remotefile < localfile" |
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| 21:34.09 | merlo | dimedo: can't you use sftp? |
| 21:34.26 | dimedo | merlo, in which way does this help? |
| 21:34.30 | stew | merlo: can you use sudo to gain remote rights using sftp? |
| 21:35.20 | merlo | oh sorry, misunderstood the problem |
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| 21:48.40 | xray7224 | hey im wanting to move to debian and i want to know which realise had the 2.6.22 kernel |
| 21:49.20 | stew | xray7224: none. etch aka stable has 2.6.18 or 2.6.24, the not yet released lenny aka testing has 2.6.26 |
| 21:49.42 | xray7224 | hmmm id take the 2.6.24 then |
| 21:49.49 | stew | xray7224: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 21:52.06 | xray7224 | so is it the unstable one i need to download |
| 21:52.24 | stew | xray7224: no, you don't want unstable |
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| 21:52.39 | stew | !etchnhalf |
| 21:52.40 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 21:53.05 | jim_home | I'm trying to install sendmail with apt-get |
| 21:53.29 | jim_home | but it says the package has unmet dependencies sendmail-bin and rmail |
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| 21:53.43 | jim_home | the line after that says: E: Broken packages |
| 21:53.53 | jim_home | any ideas? |
| 21:54.17 | stew | jim_home: show us the output of "apt-cache policy sendmail sendmail-bin rmail" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 21:55.41 | abi- | Hi. Slightly off-topic perhaps but anyone here up for a round of pioneers? :) |
| 21:55.42 | jim_home | stew: http://paste.debian.net/19241/ |
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| 21:56.06 | stew | abi-: try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 21:56.45 | stew | jim_home: what happens when you run "apt-get install sendmail sendmail-bin rmail" ? |
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| 21:57.12 | stew | judd: versions sendmail |
| 21:57.12 | judd | stew: sendmail: 8.13.8-3 (etch) 8.14.3-5 (sid) |
| 21:57.18 | themill | not in lenny? |
| 21:57.22 | stew | grr |
| 21:57.47 | stew | i would love to know why that is happening |
| 21:57.54 | jim_home | stew: it asks to install them now..will it install these suggested packages? |
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| 21:58.14 | jim_home | stew: oh nevermind I see what it's doing |
| 21:58.24 | themill | jim_home: unrelated problem, but you perhaps want to change "stable" to "etch" in your sources.list so that you don't get any surprises in a month or two. |
| 21:59.37 | jim_home | themill: thanks |
| 21:59.52 | jim_home | anyone know the escape sequence when testing sendmail in the terminal? |
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| 22:00.39 | jim_home | oh nevermind control d works now...was giving me errors earlier when exim was involved |
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| 22:02.59 | euzao | the number of updates on Debian Lenny daily is big |
| 22:03.04 | euzao | ? |
| 22:03.18 | stew | euzao: not anymore, since it is frozen |
| 22:03.31 | euzao | lenny is frozen? |
| 22:03.37 | themill | !lenny status |
| 22:03.37 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 22:04.02 | euzao | haha |
| 22:04.04 | euzao | nice |
| 22:04.13 | euzao | bug squashing hehe |
| 22:04.21 | euzao | themill, is it stable? |
| 22:04.24 | stew | things still move into lenny, by now only things let in by hand |
| 22:04.29 | euzao | I don`t mean the label, but the reality |
| 22:05.03 | themill | euzao: mrs themill has been using it on her laptop quite happily. Others would say that it's still too much of a pain to use. |
| 22:05.15 | jim_home | thanks #debian for help...really liking this distro |
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| 22:05.31 | euzao | jim_home, are you using Etch or Lenny? |
| 22:05.55 | jim_home | etch, was the only image our hosting company had |
| 22:06.02 | stew | jim_home: btw, we'd recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get for most operations. it is less likely to have dependency troubles like the one you seem to have run into with apt-get |
| 22:06.11 | jim_home | it was that or fedora core 6, or suse |
| 22:06.13 | stew | etch would be the only one recommended for a server install currently |
| 22:06.39 | jim_home | cool, is lenny more up to date, say good for desktop? |
| 22:06.49 | stew | themill: i'm running another lenny update by hand, and I changed my script slightly. please ping me if you see stuff missing from lenny again |
| 22:07.04 | themill | stew: sure, will do. |
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| 22:07.19 | euzao | lenny is a pain to use? |
| 22:07.30 | themill | dpkg: tell euzao about moving target |
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| 22:07.37 | euzao | now I`m run out of distros |
| 22:07.42 | stew | euzao: what are you planning to use it for? |
| 22:08.20 | euzao | desktop using, playing games |
| 22:08.23 | euzao | music |
| 22:08.37 | euzao | futille and productive things hehe |
| 22:08.50 | stew | euzao: lenny is probably a good choice |
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| 22:09.35 | stew | watch as I recruit new people to test the lenny installer |
| 22:09.39 | simonrvn | stew: do you have deps and rdeps in judd? |
| 22:10.04 | stew | simonrvn: deps yes, rdeps no, rdeps are hard because the database is too big for substring searches |
| 22:10.05 | euzao | so how lenny is frozen now, the version of the packages will remain the same till it reaches stability? |
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| 22:10.18 | stew | simonrvn: i need to break out the deps into a separate table for that |
| 22:10.29 | simonrvn | stew: ok. how about build deps? |
| 22:10.40 | Actium_ | I'm trying to install from the debian testing business card CD and configuring 'bootstrap-base' failed with error code 30, what does that mean |
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| 22:11.05 | stew | judd: build-dep glibc |
| 22:11.06 | judd | stew: glibc -- BuildDepends: gettext, make (>= 3.80-1), dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5), bzip2, file, linux-kernel-headers (>= 2.6.13+0rc3-2) [!hurd-i386 !kfreebsd-i386 !kfreebsd-amd64], mig (>= 1.3-2) [hurd-i386], hurd-dev (>= 20020608-1) [hurd-i386], gnumach-dev [hurd-i386], kfreebsd-kernel-headers [kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64], gcc-4.0 [hurd-i386], gcc-4.1 [!hurd-i386], binutils (>= 2.16.1cvs20051109-1), autoconf, sed (1 more message) |
| 22:11.19 | simonrvn | nice |
| 22:11.21 | stew | more |
| 22:11.25 | stew | judd: more |
| 22:11.25 | judd | stew: (>= 4.0.5-4), gawk, debhelper (>= 5.0), libc6-dev-amd64 [i386], libc6-dev-ppc64 [powerpc], libc6-dev-i386 [amd64], libc6-dev-powerpc [ppc64], libc6-dev-sparc64 [sparc], libc6-dev-s390x [s390], libc0.1-dev-i386 [kfreebsd-amd64], quilt |
| 22:11.31 | enouf | whoa ... |
| 22:11.38 | stew | hmm, that is probably missing build-dep-indep |
| 22:12.02 | esds | is waiting on kernel |
| 22:12.07 | esds | is waiting on kernel install* |
| 22:12.23 | Actium_ | also, "debootstrap error - the following error occurred: invalid release signature (key id a7odaf536070d3a1)" |
| 22:12.26 | esds | if its not going to work this time, im going to rm -rf /* |
| 22:12.34 | deus___ | >< |
| 22:12.38 | simonrvn | !madison |
| 22:12.38 | dpkg | somebody said madison was part of katie, shows which suites a binary package is in |
| 22:12.51 | esds | !say lulz |
| 22:12.52 | dpkg | lulz |
| 22:13.03 | esds | !say %x%n_igotowned |
| 22:13.03 | dpkg | %x%n_igotowned |
| 22:13.20 | esds | :( |
| 22:13.27 | simonrvn | esds: stop |
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| 22:13.36 | `|sleepschool | so whats so good about debian? |
| 22:13.56 | simonrvn | stew: how about madison? =) |
| 22:14.01 | esds | `|sleepschool: ubuntu is based upon it! |
| 22:14.05 | `|sleepschool | ! |
| 22:14.06 | `|sleepschool | so? |
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| 22:14.17 | stew | `|sleepschool: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:14.21 | Actium_ | that doesn't make it a good thing |
| 22:14.25 | Actium_ | or rather |
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| 22:14.33 | Actium_ | that isn't necessarily a "good quality of debian" |
| 22:14.35 | simonrvn | !tell `|sleepschool -about why debian |
| 22:14.38 | esds | irc doesnt support irony |
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| 22:14.51 | stew | simonrvn: 'versions' covers it |
| 22:14.56 | simonrvn | !tell `|sleepschool -about why debianGD lag |
| 22:15.05 | `|sleepschool | whats its package installer, like ubuntu's apt-get? |
| 22:15.10 | simonrvn | stew: ok |
| 22:15.16 | esds | `|sleepschool: yes, it is apt-get |
| 22:15.18 | `|sleepschool | :D |
| 22:15.24 | `|sleepschool | how does wine run in it? |
| 22:15.32 | jsoftw | Ive got debian 4 on a box, and its very laggy and unresponsive during heavy disk IO. FreeBSD on the exact same machine is very responsive under any disk load. |
| 22:15.36 | jsoftw | Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 22:15.36 | esds | `|sleepschool: fine i guess, havent had any problems |
| 22:15.47 | `|sleepschool | does it support the printer hp photosmart c6200 series? |
| 22:15.50 | stew | simonrvn: btw, the big problem with splitting deps out into a separate table is that the import for sid currently takes something like 30 minutes, and having to deps import into another table is going to hurt |
| 22:16.05 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 22:16.13 | SJrX | I installed sa-exim, yesetrady, but it seems like it's not doing anything: X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on fermat); SAEximRunCond expanded to false |
| 22:16.35 | SJrX | Finally when I start the spam-assassin service it seems to reject EVERY single message |
| 22:16.44 | `|sleepschool | how do i know if i have a 64 bit processor? |
| 22:16.45 | stew | so hopefully someone will step up and be smart enough to start parsing pdiffs |
| 22:17.12 | simonrvn | no docs == not knowing how to parse them |
| 22:17.28 | jsoftw | How do I make debian more responsive under heavy disk load? |
| 22:17.35 | enouf | your cpu flags sleeper |
| 22:17.42 | simonrvn | (yeh ok, they're text, but they don't get stored) |
| 22:17.51 | enouf | `|sleepschool: your cpu flags, or you google |
| 22:18.06 | stew | i know how to parse them, they are just ed style diffs, but its not trivial to do meaningfully, since if you know "on line 1123 Version: 1.0 changed to Version 1.1" you still have to know wtf package was on 1123 in the previous Packgaes file |
| 22:18.43 | jkimball4 | at the system level, what is the best place to set $XDG_CONFIG_HOME? |
| 22:19.21 | `|sleepschool | what happens if i use an install dvd for a 64 bit processor and i have a 32 bit and vice versa? |
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| 22:19.54 | enouf | the amd64 arch will need a 64bit capable cpu, it will fail |
| 22:19.59 | `|sleepschool | ah |
| 22:20.03 | jkimball4 | kernel won't get very far ;) |
| 22:20.15 | `|sleepschool | err, which do i download? |
| 22:20.15 | `|sleepschool | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:20.31 | enouf | you don't even want to think about ia64 - that's for itaniums only |
| 22:20.45 | `|sleepschool | which is the live cd? |
| 22:20.45 | enouf | cd1 is enough, but so is netinstall |
| 22:20.55 | `|sleepschool | why so many? |
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| 22:21.05 | enouf | there is none - it's a separate project |
| 22:21.23 | enouf | !tell `|sleepschool -about debian-live |
| 22:21.34 | enouf | !tell `|sleepschool -about debstats etch |
| 22:21.48 | enouf | !debstats stable |
| 22:22.56 | jsoftw | :/ |
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| 22:24.10 | `|sleepschool | wait the website said the iso would be 180 mb |
| 22:24.11 | `|sleepschool | its 645 |
| 22:24.33 | jsoftw | How do make debian more responsive under IO load? |
| 22:24.46 | `|sleepschool | get a better computer |
| 22:24.51 | `|sleepschool | or reinstall |
| 22:25.22 | jsoftw | no no, wrong answer. |
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| 22:26.21 | amphi | heh |
| 22:26.23 | jsoftw | ive got two rackmounts, identical hardware. One FreeBSD, one Debian. Debian's responsiveness _sucks_ under heavy IO. FreeBSD acts like nothings happening under the same load. Something is wrong with debian. |
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| 22:26.54 | jsoftw | well, 'wrong' meaning fruity, odd, or whatever. |
| 22:27.29 | `|sleepschool | wait is the iso 645 mb because it is a live cd? |
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| 22:28.20 | enouf | `|sleepschool: no - /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 22:28.21 | jsoftw | :/ |
| 22:28.27 | jsoftw | :\ |
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| 22:28.33 | Loeken | I want to cut 3 files and move them with root, how? |
| 22:28.46 | enouf | cut? as in farts? |
| 22:28.47 | `|sleepschool | enouf its because the 180 is a net install iso? |
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| 22:29.04 | enouf | depending on arch, yep |
| 22:29.10 | `|sleepschool | ah |
| 22:29.16 | amphi | `|sleepschool: sounds about right |
| 22:29.28 | Loeken | ...not copy, but cut them, so they get moved, and not only copy, get it? |
| 22:29.37 | amphi | Loeken: mv |
| 22:30.05 | `|sleepschool | so netinstall isos are just for installing right? |
| 22:30.08 | enouf | oh, cut as in cut/copy/paste |
| 22:31.05 | enouf | `|sleepschool: it's a nice middle ground of amount of software (d/l a little, get a lot :-P) |
| 22:31.06 | `|sleepschool | wait debian doesnt have a graphic installer, is it easy to dual boot with debian/install it? |
| 22:31.29 | `|sleepschool | i used to use ubuntu, i was pretty good with it i guess |
| 22:31.34 | enouf | ok, into the b0z0 box you go - you really should try harder :-P |
| 22:31.44 | `|sleepschool | me? |
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| 22:32.00 | Loeken | exactly, they all start with libdec can I type something like "mv libdec* and then directory" so it moves all files that starts with libdec? |
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| 22:32.09 | _Sam-- | Loeken yes: |
| 22:32.14 | enouf | yep |
| 22:32.21 | `|sleepschool | what did i do |
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| 22:33.06 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 22:33.06 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 22:33.16 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:33.19 | esds | finally, debian is running |
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| 22:33.28 | esds | withdraws his rm -rf |
| 22:33.51 | enouf | that's about as close to "i fart in your general direction" a factoid, as i know offhand :-P |
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| 22:34.08 | Loeken | omg it worked, I feel sooo damn proud, thanks folks! Appreciate it!!! |
| 22:34.55 | `|sleepschool | holy shit |
| 22:34.56 | `|sleepschool | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:34.58 | enouf | Loeken: if you do that within the same FS/partition, you can mv many GB-sized files within seconds :-P |
| 22:35.14 | `|sleepschool | is this good? |
| 22:35.15 | `|sleepschool | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:35.22 | enouf | yep |
| 22:35.24 | Loeken | enouf Nice ;) |
| 22:35.30 | `|sleepschool | will this dual boot with windows? |
| 22:35.34 | enouf | yep |
| 22:35.51 | enouf | why not read a bit on debian.org |
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| 22:35.59 | `|sleepschool | ... |
| 22:36.14 | amphi | enouf: what you say? |
| 22:36.17 | enouf | ¿ |
| 22:36.24 | amphi | ¡ |
| 22:36.24 | `|sleepschool | will this dual boot with windows... .http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:36.26 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:36.43 | themill | dpkg: tell `|sleepschool about fish |
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| 22:36.50 | adama_ | `|sleepschool: any linux will dual-boot with windows if configured to do so |
| 22:36.57 | enouf | oooo yummm... sushi :-) |
| 22:37.09 | `|sleepschool | google says this is equivalent to ubuntu's wubi, i just want to know |
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| 22:38.34 | enouf | prepares to burn 2 distro CDs + 1 Distro DVD all at once ... </evil grin> |
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| 22:39.04 | enouf | themill: you said something about that celery earlier? :-P |
| 22:39.15 | `|sleepschool | phew it dual boots :D |
| 22:39.30 | dqn | question - I'd like to host very simple eliza-type game my friend wrote so that if someone telnets in they can play it. is there any ready soft I could apt-get, something that would allow me to serve to multiple clients (so that I don't have to write it myself) |
| 22:39.53 | dqn | ? |
| 22:39.54 | themill | enouf: if you've got that much power, you may as well run lots of "bloated" apps. There's no point in leaving it sitting there unused. |
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| 22:40.00 | CVirus | I'm trying to make a netboot from hard disk ... it says I should download netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz and netboot/debian-installer/i386/linux and then in the boot loader commands it talks about vmlinuz ... where can I get it from ? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 22:40.06 | CVirus | I'm trying install lenny |
| 22:40.50 | enouf | themill: power is all in the mind of the beholder :-) |
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| 22:41.09 | pleed_ | What does the K or S mean in the /etc/rc.s ? |
| 22:41.09 | enouf | themill: and the wall outlets :-P |
| 22:41.17 | themill | heh |
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| 22:41.28 | enouf | !tell pleed_ -about runlevels |
| 22:41.30 | Tramp | dqn: simply (x)inetd? |
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| 22:41.37 | enouf | !tell pleed_ -about rcconf |
| 22:41.56 | pleed_ | enouf: is this more than a sentence? |
| 22:43.01 | dqn | Tramp: wow that sounds like something I might try, thanks! |
| 22:43.33 | V4Nelle | guys.....safe-upgrade show me this....any help? http://pastebin.com/d56f9eaa |
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| 22:43.50 | enouf | bah ,,, the md5sums don't match ... oh well, i know why |
| 22:44.25 | scgtrp | i can't connect to my ssh server, ssh just hangs when i try. both the server and client are debian |
| 22:44.38 | enouf | add -vvv |
| 22:46.07 | enouf | oh .. haha, i'm running the md5sum check on a file that's still d/l .. lmao |
| 22:46.21 | enouf | duh ... no wonder why it keeps changing O_o |
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| 22:46.59 | scgtrp | enouf, debug1: Connecting to ip [ip] port 22. |
| 22:47.03 | scgtrp | [hang] |
| 22:47.12 | _Sam-- | ps auxww |grep sshd |
| 22:47.13 | enouf | darnnit, i get 1.5-2MB/sec down, and these lightweight servers with their measly 400KB/sec bandwidth .. grah |
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| 22:47.31 | scgtrp | _Sam--, i'm not running sshd here. it is indeed running on the server |
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| 22:47.52 | _Sam-- | i see -- so without ssh, you have no access to the server? |
| 22:48.01 | enouf | maybe port22 is closed/blocked - configure your sshd_config correctly |
| 22:48.17 | _Sam-- | enouf : how do you do that remotely, if you cant ssh to it? :) |
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| 22:48.28 | `|sleepschool | qemu always crashes when i boot it |
| 22:48.29 | enouf | it's a timing thing |
| 22:48.34 | scgtrp | _Sam--, exactly |
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| 22:48.55 | enouf | see, people are writing, while i'm writing .. they hit enter before i do |
| 22:49.09 | _Sam-- | scgtrp : its a new server or just starting acting this way randomly, or? |
| 22:49.15 | enouf | i don't mind, their loss |
| 22:49.19 | scgtrp | _Sam--, started after switching gentoo to debian |
| 22:49.31 | _Sam-- | who did that change? |
| 22:49.49 | scgtrp | me |
| 22:49.54 | scgtrp | over ssh of course :P |
| 22:50.00 | _Sam-- | and you dont have anyone there at the server itself to help you? |
| 22:50.04 | enouf | bah .. me has more free blank DVDs than CDs, so uses a DVD for a 720MB ISO .. heh |
| 22:50.13 | _Sam-- | (that will teach you to setup remote serial console next time) |
| 22:50.16 | `|sleepschool | can someone help me out with qemu please? |
| 22:50.17 | scgtrp | i do, but he keeps disappearing when i need him |
| 22:50.32 | _Sam-- | i know hindsight is 20/20, but that will solve your problem for the future -- remote serial console. |
| 22:50.43 | scgtrp | and he's not great at doing stuff for me - i just spent 45 minutes walking him through manually booting linux through grub... |
| 22:50.45 | stdisease | enouf, heh that's nothing, I used a dvd for burning DSLinux lol |
| 22:50.52 | `|sleepschool | im burning debian with my last dvd |
| 22:50.54 | scgtrp | (haven't made a menu.lst yet) |
| 22:51.00 | scgtrp | (still need to ssh in and do that) |
| 22:51.13 | _Sam-- | first thing is to make sure sshd is actually running on the server |
| 22:51.15 | _Sam-- | ps auxw |grep sshd |
| 22:51.27 | _Sam-- | if it is, then try to restart it, /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:51.58 | DasEi |  enouf: but no bootable, as you know |
| 22:52.00 | _Sam-- | if it isnt, maybe apt-get install openssh-server ? |
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| 22:52.32 | scgtrp | _Sam--, it is installed and running... wait. "i need to start sshd for you right?" |
| 22:52.33 | tosse_ | is there any way for the debian installer to partition the disk with a sun disklabel? (trying to install etch on an ultra 5) |
| 22:52.49 | _Sam-- | scgtrp : /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 22:53.17 | scgtrp | ... i will be SO glad when i have this working |
| 22:53.23 | `|sleepschool | same here |
| 22:53.30 | _Sam-- | same here. |
| 22:54.25 | scgtrp | this guy is really a pain to work through |
| 22:54.47 | PeterFA | _Sam--, that raid won't boot. It won't mount. |
| 22:54.54 | scgtrp | _Sam--, no such file or directory. sure it's not called something else? sshd? ssh-server? |
| 22:55.04 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I created it, and tested it while under the Knoppix environment. |
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| 22:55.51 | Kraftzwerk | if it would not get me kicked or even banned, i would be hurling around profanities about GRUB and GRUB2 right now |
| 22:56.18 | scgtrp | Kraftzwerk, you can't have both installed at the same time. just spent 2 days to discover that |
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| 22:57.16 | Kraftzwerk | it's just GRUB2 atm. but having to figure out the new scripting-like .cfg-file syntax is kinda getting my blood up |
| 22:57.21 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : i know this does you no good, but its just user error or lack of knowledge. |
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| 22:57.25 | kumquat | so uh. |
| 22:57.25 | _Sam-- | there isnt that much to it. |
| 22:57.28 | kumquat | um. |
| 22:57.40 | kumquat | I am seriously under the impression that usbhid is a module |
| 22:57.45 | PeterFA | _Sam--, yeah. That and I'm coaching guy who has much less to do it. |
| 22:57.46 | kumquat | am I on glue here? |
| 22:57.47 | Loeken | The top of all windows dissappear when I start compiz fusion, I have no idea how to solve this :S |
| 22:57.50 | _Sam-- | there is an alternative approach too, where you copy everything from the current (no raid) / to the new drive. |
| 22:58.01 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I don't have access to it at all. |
| 22:58.07 | scgtrp | _Sam--, "could not load host key" |
| 22:58.14 | _Sam-- | then you make the new drive be the raid and the old / be the missing raid drive. |
| 22:58.17 | swa | scgtrp, it's /etc/init.d/ssh from openssh-server |
| 22:58.26 | _Sam-- | then you tell linux to boot from the new drive, then migrate the raid together. |
| 22:58.34 | scgtrp | swa, yes, i know. he can't type |
| 22:58.35 | amphi | kumquat: modinfo usbhid should tell you |
| 22:58.40 | scgtrp | misspelled ssh -_- |
| 22:58.49 | swa | heh .. I feel your pain scgtrp |
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| 22:59.04 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I see your point, but I don't think i need to do that. What I do need to do is figure out why it won't boot and fix it. |
| 22:59.07 | Kraftzwerk | so, assuming the MBR is on /dev/sda, XP on /dev/sda1, /boot on /dev/sda2 and / on /dev/md0 (sdbX+sdcX), however should a proper grub.cfg look like? |
| 22:59.10 | scgtrp | i've had better luck walking my mom through mounting a corrupt floppy than i am now |
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| 22:59.20 | kumquat | amphi: except it doesn't, because I am diagnosing a kernel panic |
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| 22:59.24 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I changed fstab's / entry from /dev/sda1 /dev/md/0 |
| 22:59.30 | kumquat | and may have to kick the s*** out of someone if it is actually a module |
| 22:59.41 | _Sam-- | well tahts wrong |
| 22:59.43 | kumquat | so I'm gonna go check the config... |
| 22:59.45 | PeterFA | kumquat, you may abuse me, please. |
| 22:59.46 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.48 | _Sam-- | should be /dev/md0 |
| 23:00.05 | PeterFA | _Sam--, the mdadm file has not md0, but md/0. |
| 23:00.09 | kumquat | PeterFA: are you into that, or responsible for this, or both? :o |
| 23:00.11 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I tried various combinations. |
| 23:00.19 | PeterFA | kumquat, neither, but you may abuse me. |
| 23:00.27 | kumquat | oh. |
| 23:00.28 | kumquat | I see. |
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| 23:00.38 | kumquat | well, -I'm- not into that |
| 23:00.39 | PeterFA | kumquat, I'm just saying weird things... it's funny on IRC. |
| 23:00.39 | _Sam-- | well i can tell you definitively based on the commands i sent you that /dev/md/0 would never work in fstab. |
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| 23:00.46 | amphi | kumquat: CONFIG_USB_HID=m in lenny's kernel, but I assume you talk of a custom one |
| 23:00.47 | kumquat | PeterFA: I know |
| 23:00.52 | scgtrp | http://pastebin.ca/1227310 |
| 23:00.55 | PeterFA | kumquat, I like to tell people I love them. |
| 23:00.58 | scgtrp | he says it started successfully |
| 23:00.58 | kumquat | amphi: no this is a fresh 2.6.26 probably lenny |
| 23:01.00 | `|sleepschool | lol that windows debian installer wouldnt boot debian lol |
| 23:01.03 | PeterFA | kumquat, people get pretty weirded :) |
| 23:01.03 | `|sleepschool | im glad it would still boot windows |
| 23:01.06 | kumquat | amphi: I am not the primary admin of the box |
| 23:01.18 | kumquat | and that is the most incredibly stupid thing I've seen in recent memory in a linux distro |
| 23:01.22 | dustybin | I know this is office topic, what is your preferred VPN server, OpenVPN, PPTE or IpSec? |
| 23:01.37 | PeterFA | _Sam--, that command you gave me produced a reference to md/0, and that didn't boot. |
| 23:01.37 | _Sam-- | dustybin : i use openvpn here, works great for me. |
| 23:01.45 | dustybin | _Sam--: aye ok :) |
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| 23:01.49 | scgtrp | _Sam--, poke? |
| 23:01.50 | `|sleepschool | whats lvm? |
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| 23:02.00 | PeterFA | `|sleepschool, Linux Volume Management. |
| 23:02.07 | PeterFA | I'm serious, Linux is more than a kernel. |
| 23:02.13 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : then you issued the wrong command. |
| 23:02.19 | _Sam-- | nothing i gvae refernces that way. |
| 23:02.22 | _Sam-- | this was the last one: |
| 23:02.22 | _Sam-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.28 | `|sleepschool | im installing in a virtual machine, what would i pick not in a vm to dual boot vista/debian? |
| 23:02.36 | PeterFA | _Sam--, output of mdadm -Es doesn't produce md0. |
| 23:02.51 | _Sam-- | then you dont never had it setup right. |
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| 23:03.16 | _Sam-- | tween:/etc/default# mdadm -Es |grep md0 |
| 23:03.16 | _Sam-- | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=ead4e9bd:30b971f0:82a412f8:d7da22d0 |
| 23:03.20 | `|sleepschool | What option would i pick for a dual boot? |
| 23:03.48 | TeKaha | you tell me |
| 23:03.49 | kumquat | funny you're discussing this; what I'm actually chasing is getting raid1 booting here.. :P |
| 23:04.04 | PeterFA | _Sam--, I issued mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 and it made it. |
| 23:04.13 | `|sleepschool | seriously which option is for the dual boot |
| 23:04.15 | V4Nelle | anybody with problem on virtualbox upgrade? |
| 23:04.16 | PeterFA | _Sam--, then mounting it worked and files were visible. |
| 23:04.42 | _Sam-- | if that were truly the case, then mdadm -Es |grep md0 would give you results. |
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| 23:05.00 | PeterFA | _Sam--, hmm... |
| 23:05.02 | _Sam-- | and you should be able to do the same thing again, to create the array. |
| 23:05.19 | PeterFA | _Sam--, don't I have to use build again instead of create? |
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| 23:05.27 | _Sam-- | of course, if you made the partition types 'linux raid autodetect' it certainly wouldnt hurt either. |
| 23:05.50 | Cholito | do I need a special card reader to mount hcsd cards? |
| 23:05.53 | _Sam-- | you could try to 'assemble' it instead of create it. |
| 23:06.02 | kumquat | Cholito: you need an SDHC reader |
| 23:06.14 | `|sleepschool | a dual boot option wont appear in a virtual machine will it >_< |
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| 23:06.21 | _Sam-- | PeterFA : this is a how-to that covers exactly what you want to do: |
| 23:06.22 | _Sam-- | http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 23:06.30 | PeterFA | _Sam--, |
| 23:06.34 | PeterFA | thanks. |
| 23:07.13 | _Sam-- | something like this will assmeble the array again: |
| 23:07.15 | _Sam-- | mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:07.21 | _Sam-- | (change your paths to suit your drives) |
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| 23:07.44 | _Sam-- | "Alternatively you can use: |
| 23:07.44 | _Sam-- | Code: |
| 23:07.44 | _Sam-- | mdadm --assemble --scanand it will assemble any raid arrays it can detect automatically. |
| 23:07.45 | _Sam-- | " |
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| 23:07.46 | Cholito | kumquat, well, my camera can work as a card reader but it seems that I can't mount it (or at least gnome can't) |
| 23:07.51 | _Sam-- | erps. |
| 23:08.12 | kumquat | Cholito: some cameras aren't proper usb-storage compliant readers |
| 23:08.19 | _Sam-- | if you set your partition types to linux auto raid this command would work. |
| 23:08.20 | _Sam-- | mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 23:08.26 | zinx | Cholito: it creates a /dev/sd[a-z][0-9] device node? |
| 23:08.29 | _Sam-- | or if you set up the mdadm.conf properly with the command i showed you. |
| 23:08.31 | kumquat | windows afaict has some builtin brokenness to cover some of that, and then of course there are special drivers |
| 23:08.34 | kumquat | but yeah |
| 23:08.38 | kumquat | check dmesg | grep sd |
| 23:08.52 | zinx | Cholito: PTP isn't "as a card reader" :/ |
| 23:08.55 | `|sleepschool | does dualbooting windows vista with debian work well? |
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| 23:09.32 | nsm | Hi, i have a problem configuring courier-mta with mysql auth module |
| 23:09.33 | streuner | grub arent care much |
| 23:10.07 | _Sam-- | nsm: you are using courier-authlib-mysql ? |
| 23:10.08 | nsm | somebody use courier-mta? |
| 23:10.16 | nsm | yes _Sam |
| 23:10.21 | Cholito | kumquat, indeed, I just tried a non-hcsd card and it doesn't read it =( |
| 23:10.30 | Cholito | zinx, ptp? |
| 23:10.33 | _Sam-- | you dont get any messages in syslog or messages about anything? |
| 23:10.35 | nsm | my problem is that I always get a 550 error |
| 23:10.38 | kumquat | yeah, if your camear uses the cards normally that's not the issue |
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| 23:10.47 | streuner | !nickometer `|sleepschool |
| 23:10.49 | dpkg | '`|sleepschool' is 38.000% lame, streuner |
| 23:11.14 | _Sam-- | nsm: do you have any virtual domains or its one single domain? |
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| 23:11.42 | nsm | I am trying with a single domain |
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| 23:11.58 | zinx | Cholito: Picture Transfer Protocol, it's exactly like MSC, except it's not a standard USB protocol (but is standardized by ISO, who charges for access to their standards) and only supports pictures. |
| 23:12.02 | _Sam-- | Edit /etc/courier/imapd and change the AUTHMODULES line to say |
| 23:12.02 | _Sam-- | AUTHMODULES="authmysql |
| 23:12.34 | _Sam-- | Edit /etc/courier/authmysqlrc |
| 23:12.43 | zinx | Cholito: or, hum, maybe it is standardized by the USB group, *shrug*. there's no point to it, in any case. |
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| 23:13.17 | nsm | Sam imap works ok |
| 23:13.31 | nsm | but the mta server |
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| 23:13.35 | subsume | Where is cron's log in debian? Can't find it at /var/log/cron or /var/log/messages/ |
| 23:13.42 | _Sam-- | you are requiring a login for outgoing mail ? |
| 23:13.54 | nsm | no |
| 23:14.03 | Cholito | zinx, too bad, I don't want to buy a card reader just for one card =/ |
| 23:14.13 | nsm | but i have the maildir path in a mysql database |
| 23:14.20 | zinx | Cholito: gphoto2 will read from PTP devices |
| 23:14.29 | nsm | I'm want to use not system users |
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| 23:14.52 | kumquat | zinx: good call |
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| 23:14.56 | Cholito | zinx, but first I would have to mount it, right? |
| 23:15.02 | zinx | Cholito: you just can't 'mount' it.. maybe using the FUSE gphoto2 fs thing you can pretend to |
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| 23:15.12 | kumquat | anywho, bbl |
| 23:15.13 | Cholito | zinx, lets see =) |
| 23:15.14 | zinx | Cholito: no, you don't need to mount it to use it with gphoto2 if it's a PTP device |
| 23:15.32 | _Sam-- | nsm : i see what you're saying. you dont get any info in your logs? |
| 23:15.42 | nsm | yes |
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| 23:15.50 | _Sam-- | and you have this: courier-authdaemon - Courier authentication daemon ? |
| 23:16.01 | _Sam-- | that should leave some logs someplace. |
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| 23:16.06 | _Sam-- | if its trying to do anything |
| 23:16.17 | curtmack | Okay, the past few times I've booted up this computer, I've gotten "dsyslog: failed" |
| 23:16.46 | acu | I want to record video and audio from a webcam - xawtv does not work - luvcview captures video and the frame rate is screwed - can anyone direct me to another option of capturing video from a webcam ? |
| 23:17.02 | curtmack | and now the syslog contains a lot more than it used to |
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| 23:17.04 | curtmack | or needs to |
| 23:17.20 | Kovensky | acu: mplayer tv:// |
| 23:17.28 | Kovensky | acu: if you want to encode, mplayer tv:// |
| 23:17.56 | nsm | yes, sam can we talk in private? |
| 23:17.56 | Cholito | ouch, gphoto2 is only cli hehe |
| 23:17.58 | curtmack | anybody know why dsyslog might be failing? |
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| 23:18.18 | acu | kovensky: I will try now |
| 23:18.22 | _Sam-- | nsm : im sorry , i probably dont know enough to make it worth the private message, and im getting ready to head home. |
| 23:18.39 | nsm | ok |
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| 23:19.16 | _Sam-- | but from what i can tell 1) what you want is possible and 2) you should be finding some logs someplace indicating the 550 error. |
| 23:19.28 | _Sam-- | like /var/log/messages /var/log/mail /var/log/syslog maybe |
| 23:21.34 | nsm | Oct 14 21:00:12 cuervo courieresmtpd: started,ip=[::ffff:66.249.82.225] |
| 23:21.34 | nsm | Oct 14 21:00:13 cuervo authdaemond: received userid lookup request: nicolas |
| 23:21.34 | nsm | Oct 14 21:00:13 cuervo authdaemond: authmysql: trying this module |
| 23:21.34 | nsm | Oct 14 21:00:13 cuervo authdaemond: authmysqllib: connected. Versions: header 50051, client 50051, server 50051 |
| 23:21.34 | nsm | Oct 14 21:00:13 cuervo authdaemond: SQL query: SELECT id, crypt, clear, uid, gid, home, "", "", name, "" FROM passwd WHERE id = 'nicolas' |
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| 23:21.53 | PeterFA | hears "Summon The Heroes" on Internet radio and suddenly stands up and solutes for the duration of the song. |
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| 23:23.17 | abrotman | he named the server after .. tequila ? |
| 23:23.23 | curtmack | Okay, and in addition to the problem I just mentioned, Debian just locked up so hard even SysRq wouldn't work |
| 23:24.18 | _Sam-- | could have at least called it patron. |
| 23:24.27 | _Sam-- | people really drink cuervo voluntarily? |
| 23:24.42 | abrotman | drinks mezcal voluntarily ... |
| 23:24.49 | abrotman | and likes it :) |
| 23:24.50 | curtmack | and there's nothing in syslog to account for it |
| 23:25.02 | curtmack | better than metrical |
| 23:25.37 | acu | kovensky: I installed mplayer, and typed mplayer tv:// and it brings a the webcam on - what's next to capture video and audio ? |
| 23:25.39 | curtmack | erm, "metrecal" |
| 23:26.09 | Kovensky | acu: if you want to capture it, you can either output raw yv12 (using -vo yuv4mpeg) or you can use mencoder to encode video |
| 23:26.34 | `|homework | stupid virtual machine install keeps failing on the installing software step |
| 23:26.50 | `|homework | select and install software step* |
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| 23:26.56 | _Sam-- | poor guy probably thought we didnt want to help him cause he got kicked, never came back, mr cuervo that is. |
| 23:26.56 | shamess | This is a bit of an odd question. My machine I'm using now is a Windows machine, but my server is Debian. At univeristy, they've blocked certain ports, so I was hoping there was a way to proxy the information I want to send to my server, and have that send it from the right port? (ie. I wanna play WoW, and have it connect through my server and my server send the data to Blizzard, etc) |
| 23:27.34 | _Sam-- | shamess: theres probably a dozen ways to skin that cat. |
| 23:27.36 | abrotman | _Sam--: or his client is still pasting |
| 23:27.38 | acu | covensky: so I start mplayer -vo (how do I invoke mencoder ?) |
| 23:27.56 | shamess | _Sam-- : Could you just give me one, please? |
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| 23:29.18 | _Sam-- | might be able to use dante as a proxy server on the linux box. |
| 23:29.30 | _Sam-- | socks5 |
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| 23:29.48 | _Sam-- | the windows box is the one needing to play WoW? |
| 23:30.06 | shamess | Yeah. |
| 23:30.30 | _Sam-- | im not familiar with WoW -- it has a setting to identify a socks proxy? |
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| 23:30.42 | shamess | Uhh... I'm really not sure. |
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| 23:31.21 | _Sam-- | you could also setup a vpn, connect to it, then make the debian box your default gw |
| 23:31.37 | _Sam-- | i was thinking about ssh tunneling, but i dont think that will do it. |
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| 23:31.51 | _Sam-- | unless you had the debian box forward the tunnel port to thw WoW server |
| 23:32.30 | _Sam-- | i would first see if you WoW supports a socks proxy. |
| 23:32.32 | shamess | I guess there are a lot of ways... So, I should be researching Dante, and WoW's socks settings? |
| 23:32.59 | _Sam-- | http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060831091645414 |
| 23:33.04 | _Sam-- | "http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060831091645414" |
| 23:33.06 | _Sam-- | er |
| 23:33.08 | _Sam-- | "Play World of Warcraft via SOCKS or SSH tunnel |
| 23:33.09 | _Sam-- | " |
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| 23:35.48 | shamess | Oh, cool. I'll try that out. Thanks. |
| 23:36.07 | _Sam-- | shouldnt be too bad really. |
| 23:36.25 | jonnymac | 'lo |
| 23:36.53 | jonnymac | I'm usually a ubuntu user but it's been causing me trouble. I've been hearing good things about debian, should I switch? |
| 23:37.28 | bancus | Depends on what your goal are, IMO. |
| 23:37.34 | karsten | jonnymac: That's your call. |
| 23:37.43 | bancus | Ubuntu tends to focus on newer, unproven technology. |
| 23:37.47 | karsten | jonnymac: However, if you choose to do so, you can find help here. |
| 23:38.06 | bancus | I tend to use it on desktops. |
| 23:38.16 | bancus | Debian tends to be older (much to slightly, depending on how you do it), but a little more solid. |
| 23:38.29 | bancus | I use it on servers. |
| 23:38.32 | Kovensky | bancus: actually, no |
| 23:38.35 | Kovensky | if you use stable yes |
| 23:38.36 | bancus | No? |
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| 23:38.44 | Kovensky | but if you go testing, it is often more up-to-date than ubuntu |
| 23:38.46 | bancus | Yes. |
| 23:38.48 | curtmack | okay, so does anybody know about my dsyslog problem or the lockup just now? |
| 23:38.50 | bancus | That's the much older part. |
| 23:38.51 | Kovensky | because even though ubuntu branches from unstable |
| 23:38.59 | curtmack | have any ideas, I mean |
| 23:39.00 | bancus | How does testing end up getting more up-to-date than ubuntu? |
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| 23:39.05 | Kovensky | they don't update packages after the release except for security |
| 23:39.07 | bancus | If you're only using ubuntu stable, sure. |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | ubuntu in #ubuntu please |
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| 23:39.21 | jonnymac | karsten: Is just that everything with ubuntu seems to be a chore- my USB speaker are buggy, the iriver player I have just stopped working with my computer.. |
| 23:39.30 | Kovensky | abrotman: hey, we're trolling ubuntu here ;) |
| 23:39.35 | bancus | Heh. |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | Kovensky: take it somewhere else |
| 23:39.50 | curtmack | also, I have another question. Is there an easy way to downgrade from lenny to etch? |
| 23:39.56 | bancus | jonnymac: If you can find specific things saying that those are better supported in Debian, obviously. |
| 23:39.56 | jonnymac | abrotman: can't talk about switching sides in ubuntu, I'd be chopped into catfood |
| 23:40.15 | abrotman | meow? |
| 23:40.23 | bancus | I'd do some research if I were you. *shrug* |
| 23:40.24 | Kovensky | lol |
| 23:40.25 | jonnymac | yep |
| 23:41.31 | curtmack | I've been wanting to do it for a while (ever since my computer started crashing as a weekly occurance), but everybody always says I have to reinstall Debian to do it |
| 23:41.47 | jonnymac | bancus: that's why I'm here, what would you say are the perks of debian? |
| 23:42.13 | Coweater | curtmack: everybody is right |
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| 23:42.32 | bancus | jonnymac: Stability. |
| 23:42.37 | bancus | That's about all I can think of. |
| 23:42.42 | bancus | They're very closely related. |
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| 23:43.37 | bancus | I'm not convinced that if Ubuntu has problems with certain hardware, that Debian wouldn't. Look at some bugtrackers, though, it's possible that Debian fixed it already, or Ubuntu broke something somehow. (The latter wouldn't surprise me at all.) |
| 23:43.42 | jonnymac | and what would you say are the major drawbacks? |
| 23:44.03 | bancus | Depending on how you do it, slow adds of new software can be a drawback. |
| 23:44.10 | bancus | Unstable tends to be pretty quick about most things. |
| 23:44.18 | bancus | But some things lag. |
| 23:44.26 | bancus | Of course, some things lag in a lot of distros. |
| 23:44.49 | bancus | (ISTR, though, GNOME 2.0 taking forever to enter main.) |
| 23:45.00 | bancus | If you're going to change anyway, try Debian first. |
| 23:45.14 | bancus | If it doesn't work, you haven't lost anything, just try something else. |
| 23:45.22 | PovAddict | is unstable actually unstable? :) |
| 23:45.28 | bancus | Not usually. |
| 23:45.34 | bancus | I ran unstable on my desktop for years. |
| 23:45.45 | bancus | The only times I had problems were with custom hacks and using experimental packages. |
| 23:45.46 | jonnymac | all I want is to play my movies, play my music, surf the web and use simple peripherals on't |
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| 23:46.01 | bancus | Try Debian testing. |
| 23:46.14 | bancus | Hell, Debain Stable should be fine, but it depends on the peripherals. |
| 23:46.19 | PovAddict | I really should find the time to fix my mess and change distro... |
| 23:46.28 | bancus | Although MP3 can be a problem on Debian, IIRc. |
| 23:46.29 | jonnymac | I get the feeling that ubuntu is filling up my space and I can't get rid of certain apps without real knowledge of how it works |
| 23:46.45 | PovAddict | I use Ubuntu hardy, don't quite like it... and I can't change it easily because I'm an idiot and didn't put /home on a separate partition :) |
| 23:46.59 | bancus | jonnymac: I'm not aware that it should do that. |
| 23:47.09 | bancus | PovAddict: Whoops. You'll know better next time. :-P |
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| 23:47.36 | PovAddict | I'm also a bit low on disk space |
| 23:47.52 | jonnymac | well the thing is I don't know much about the inner working of linux, only changed over to ubuntu about a year ago and still don't quite undertand it |
| 23:48.13 | bancus | Yeah, it can take some time to get used to. |
| 23:48.43 | bancus | Unfortunately, the only way most of us ever really learn about any system is by breaking it. |
| 23:48.52 | bancus | Then figuring out how to put it back together again. |
| 23:49.12 | bancus | If you have an extra machine or partition around, doing LinuxFromScratch is an educational experience that doesn't involve breaking anything. |
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| 23:49.19 | PovAddict | ...and time |
| 23:49.22 | bancus | (Or, *shouldn't*) |
| 23:49.24 | bancus | that too. |
| 23:49.42 | PovAddict | to fix my "low on disk space" problem, I should get rid of my Windows partition, or shrink it |
| 23:50.09 | PovAddict | that means doing *something* with the dozen gigabytes of pictures and videos I have (read: organize) |
| 23:51.22 | jonnymac | bancus: thanks, much helpful |
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| 23:51.45 | bancus | Sure thing. |
| 23:51.51 | jonnymac | I think I might just find an old banged up machine and see |
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| 23:52.25 | PovAddict | digikam looked interesting... but I think I'll have to do *some* custom code here to organize my picture/video mess |
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| 23:54.37 | curtmack | and I suppose there's no way to reinstall Debian without needing to back up all my files and such? |
| 23:54.50 | PovAddict | is your /home in a separate directory? |
| 23:54.55 | PovAddict | er |
| 23:54.56 | PovAddict | partitino |
| 23:55.00 | PovAddict | slaps self |
| 23:55.04 | PovAddict | is your /home in a separate partition? |
| 23:55.11 | PovAddict | [there we go] |
| 23:55.16 | amphi | PovAddict: generally a good idea IMHO |
| 23:55.28 | PovAddict | amphi: definitely it is |
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