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| 00:03.17 | joneal | hi |
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| 00:04.32 | meme21 | abrotman: thanks, I am going to try contacting the company first, if they don't have a 64-bit version, then I will attempt to try the ia32-libs and see if it works. I don't like the idea of running 32-bit apps on a 64-bit machine, but maybe I'm just paranoid ;) |
| 00:04.45 | abrotman | ia322-libs shouldn't hurt |
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| 00:06.44 | joaop | pls, i need some suggest to mp3 player, somebody? |
| 00:09.10 | themill | joaop: there are may... "apt-cache search audio player". Personally, I use amarok. |
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| 00:10.01 | joaop | im looking for some new, different |
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| 00:10.55 | binrapt | http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=6 http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=5 <- any idea what I'm doing wrong? Did I mislink or something? |
| 00:11.06 | binrapt | I really don't get it, why is it saying that it can't find the file? |
| 00:11.12 | binrapt | binrapt@intothevoid:~$ file sum_test |
| 00:11.12 | binrapt | sum_test: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 00:11.15 | binrapt | Looks normal otherwise |
| 00:11.36 | binrapt | Is this a peculiar result of erroneous dynamic linking? |
| 00:12.34 | Somni | binrapt: ldd sum_test |
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| 00:13.22 | stew | binrapt: try it in a new bash shell |
| 00:14.02 | Jay^ | joaop try xmms2 |
| 00:14.36 | binrapt | bash: ./sum_test: No such file or directory |
| 00:14.40 | binrapt | stew still the same |
| 00:14.46 | Jay^ | ; it has a more modular design, you can add whatever GUI you want to it or even right your own with shell scipts |
| 00:15.11 | stew | binrapt: strace it to see what file it is failing on |
| 00:16.13 | Somni | binrapt: do you intend to run the ldd command? |
| 00:16.18 | binrapt | stew: http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=7 |
| 00:16.21 | CalebRipley | Is there a option to make a border for fonts with convert (v6.2.4). -stroke is not usefull for winning contrast to a background image. |
| 00:16.33 | binrapt | Somni I don't even know what that is :[ it's been a while since I did ASM on Linux/BSD |
| 00:16.39 | Somni | it's a command |
| 00:17.05 | Somni | type it at your command-line |
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| 00:18.48 | binrapt | Somni run ldd on the file? /usr/bin/ldd: line 117: ./sum_test: No such file or directory |
| 00:18.50 | binrapt | :( |
| 00:18.55 | binrapt | Strange. |
| 00:19.20 | stew | binrapt: but ls lists this file as existing? |
| 00:19.21 | Somni | binrapt: ls -l sum_test |
| 00:19.22 | binrapt | It's very much there |
| 00:19.27 | binrapt | stew yes and file succeds on it too |
| 00:19.28 | Somni | stat sum_test |
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| 00:19.42 | raz | rubs his eyes |
| 00:19.45 | stew | binrapt: what does file say it is? |
| 00:19.50 | binrapt | Somni http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=8 |
| 00:19.52 | binrapt | ELF binary |
| 00:19.54 | magyar | hi, openssh_client has an issue with linuxlogo display on lenny. is there a fix for it? |
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| 00:20.29 | abrotman | don't use linuxlogo ? |
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| 00:21.33 | magyar | abrotman: is there a reason why the package is broken? |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | because you want to use it |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | check the bts |
| 00:21.49 | magyar | why not remove it from "main" |
| 00:22.27 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:22.38 | binrapt | stew Somni: Any idea what the problem is? I mean the file is there, it's probably just the OS executable loader failing in a strange way or so because I misassembled or mislinked it ro so? |
| 00:22.40 | abrotman | i suspect you didn't read the documentation .. thus it's misconfigured |
| 00:22.55 | Somni | binrapt: hang on |
| 00:23.15 | Somni | it's not linked properly, I'm trying to figure out what it is linked to |
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| 00:23.42 | binrapt | Ok |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | or it's your ssh client |
| 00:24.01 | binrapt | Using PuTTy heh |
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| 00:24.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Crap, I made a group, added myself to it, then deleted it... Now every time I type groups I get an error telling me that group doesn't exist |
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| 00:24.24 | abrotman | though i really can't imagine why linuxlogo would happen over ssh |
| 00:24.31 | sts | hello folks! does anybody know that modules are needed to boot debian/etch from a HP DL 320 G5p with software raid enabled? Im getting "Waiting for root file system". |
| 00:24.31 | themill | binrapt: what's the output of "uname -r"? |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: relogin ? |
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| 00:24.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Hmm. |
| 00:24.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'll try |
| 00:24.50 | sts | AFAIK they use an AHCI controller. |
| 00:25.07 | binrapt | themill: 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 00:25.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | That worked, thanks. |
| 00:25.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Do you know where that kind of stuff is stored in the current session? |
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| 00:26.04 | peteweez | Hi, I just bought an Asus F8Va-B1 notebook. It has an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 (M86 based) with 4 GB of RAM. X is not working...all I get are some really weird glitches on the screen. I'm using the open-source RadeonHD drivers. I've searched extensively for solutions. All I found was something on the x.org wiki saying the only option is to lower the amount of RAM to 2 GB. Since I don't want to do this, is there any other way to get i |
| 00:26.05 | peteweez | Interestingly enough, the Debian Lenny graphical installer worked. So clearly, it is possible to use X on my hardware. I just don't know how. |
| 00:26.14 | magyar | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496914 |
| 00:26.47 | binrapt | 02:23:08 <Somni> it's not linked properly, I'm trying to figure out what it is linked to <- can't you tell from my as/ld post? Hm |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | magyar: so you filed a bug .. so what ? |
| 00:27.21 | binrapt | http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=5 <- ld -m elf_i386 -o sum_test calculate_sum_gas.o /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | still thinks it's the ssh client |
| 00:27.57 | binrapt | Don't know if the libc thing is right, I just picked the best looking libc.so file from the locate libc list after ld complained about an undefined reference to printf |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: nope .. but i'd guess in the pam stuff |
| 00:28.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | hmm. |
| 00:28.58 | binrapt | /lib/libc.so.6 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 /lib/tls/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/libc.so /usr/lib/nptl/libc.so |
| 00:29.06 | binrapt | No idea which one I'm supposed to use lol |
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| 00:29.37 | Saar | i am using etch ssh-vulnkey, it doesn't print out filenames where it found compromised keys so I am kind of grepping around in the dark to find out where those damn keys are, is there any easier way? |
| 00:29.38 | Somni | binrapt: it cannot find one of the objects it's linked to |
| 00:29.47 | Somni | that's why the execution and ldd fail |
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| 00:29.55 | binrapt | Somni yeah that is the most plausible explanation I suppose |
| 00:30.02 | peteweez | As a temporary option, would it be possible to lower the amount of RAM to 2GB by disabling a DIMM in the BIOS? |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | Saar: find / -name <foo> |
| 00:30.42 | Saar | abrotman: no, it prints out a key and then a name@host |
| 00:30.57 | magyar | abrotman: its opnessh-client for sure openssh-server feeds the logo right to etch clients but lenny client display gibberish |
| 00:30.57 | peterius | I'm trying to use AES256 encryption with losetup, I have losetup with aes support but it says aes 256 is not in my kernel, i do cat /proc/crypto and it gives me a max key size of 32 with my aes-i586, which is a misleading name, I thought it was optimized for that processor |
| 00:30.57 | Saar | i then grep for name@host but it's not ideal |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | magyar: no .. the client .. the xterm/gnome-terminal/putty .. wahtever |
| 00:31.15 | geek | peteweez: don't think so. also, i think the graphical installer dosen't use X. it worked fine on a system that needs to have x settings reconfigured post install |
| 00:31.16 | peterius | so how do I get or find an aes 256 key size capable piece of kernel thingy |
| 00:31.27 | binrapt | But why doesn't it find it? I mean it's not like I viciously moved libc.so.6 after I linked to it, Somni |
| 00:31.31 | Saar | backports has an updated vulnkey |
| 00:31.41 | binrapt | I tried copying libc.so.6 to ~ eve but it didn't change anything either lol |
| 00:31.41 | peteweez | geek: Ah. That makes sense. Maybe it uses FB or something. |
| 00:31.47 | magyar | abrotman: nope, even if I use just regular console it's not working |
| 00:31.49 | abrotman | sirens annoying ... |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | magyar: then maybe you should append your bug with some useful information |
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| 00:32.29 | binrapt | Ah I should probably use the .a files instead eh? |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | Saar: how did you run it ? |
| 00:32.55 | peteweez | geek: Well, if I can't disable a DIMM in the BIOS, then what can I do? I mean, I can't very well physically remove one of the DIMMs...on a desktop, I could, but I'm not going to screw with the internals of a notebook. |
| 00:33.04 | binrapt | Yep that was it Somni :) |
| 00:33.06 | peteweez | Possibly a driver issue? |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | Saar: man ssh-vulnkey .. tells you files if you didn't give any |
| 00:33.10 | binrapt | Now it just...segfaults haha |
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| 00:34.06 | Saar | ssh-vulnkey -a, it doesn't have an option to print filename |
| 00:34.09 | geek | peteweez: fraid i got no idea |
| 00:34.21 | peteweez | Haha I was afraid of that. Thanks anyway. |
| 00:34.26 | peteweez | Any idea who would? |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | Saar: read the man page .. |
| 00:34.45 | peterius | all my max keysizes are 32? |
| 00:35.16 | peteweez | geed: #xorg and #ati have a goodly amount of people in the channels but nobody's said anything at all since I've entered them. |
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| 00:35.19 | peteweez | *geek |
| 00:35.50 | abrotman | magyar: you probably filed the bug against the wrong package |
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| 00:38.50 | peterius | nevermind, I found it |
| 00:39.16 | peteweez | I was a bit puzzled by the fact that the Debian installer didn't ask for info about my hardware like it used to. It didn't ask me for a max screen resolution, for details about my graphics card, or anything. Does it just autodetect those things and come up with a modeline now? And is this perhaps why my X is clusterf***ed? (Sorry, the last time I worked with the Debian installer was with Sarge, and now I'm working with Lenny. Things have |
| 00:39.41 | magyar | abrotman: how is that? |
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| 00:40.16 | abrotman | magyar: okay .. leave it there .. |
| 00:40.19 | dudeman | peteweez, its cool isn't it! |
| 00:40.26 | dudeman | peteweez, it does all that automatically now |
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| 00:40.36 | peteweez | dudeman: the new installer? I know, it's awesome isn't it |
| 00:40.39 | Wyzard | peteweez: X can autodetect that stuff from the monitor itself these days -- you don't even need mode info in xorg.conf in many cases |
| 00:40.39 | peteweez | I was so impressed |
| 00:40.40 | dudeman | wors |
| 00:40.43 | dudeman | word* |
| 00:40.51 | magyar | abrotman: i just updated the info the bug |
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| 00:40.59 | peteweez | Haha...I really should've apt-get upgraded more often with my old computer |
| 00:41.07 | dudeman | peteweez, aptitude! |
| 00:41.11 | Wyzard | peteweez: It's not the installer autodetecting X settings, it's the installer leaving it for X itself to detect during startup |
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| 00:41.27 | peteweez | dudeman: I was always partial to synaptic |
| 00:41.29 | abrotman | magyar: i still think it's on the wrong package |
| 00:41.39 | dudeman | synaptic shynaptick |
| 00:41.40 | magyar | abrotman: do tell |
| 00:41.55 | dudeman | pish tosh ... aptitude is good |
| 00:42.00 | peteweez | Wyzard: Well yes that is really sweet, but it's only sweet as long as it can detect my hardware CORRECTLY. |
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| 00:42.04 | abrotman | magyar: are you going to change it .. doubtful .. i'm not going to start this discussion |
| 00:42.20 | peteweez | Green crap all over my screen, then white screen with scrolling black lines=BAD! |
| 00:42.29 | arkara | anyone help me create packages? |
| 00:42.45 | themill | dpkg, tell arkara about nmg |
| 00:42.48 | dudeman | !tell arkara -about package basics |
| 00:43.01 | magyar | abrotman: hmm |
| 00:43.21 | Wyzard | peteweez: It's using info reported by the monitor itself -- supported frequency ranges and preferred resolution |
| 00:43.22 | smev81 | vuze does not find cairo. Says http://pastebin.com/d7538544a. Why? |
| 00:43.51 | peteweez | Wyzard: ah. Wait, does it automatically select the proper driver from the set of installed video drivers now, too? |
| 00:43.52 | Wyzard | peteweez: Some monitors mis-report (I've seen a CRT that claimed its max refresh rate was 16Hz, rather than the correct value of 160Hz) |
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| 00:43.57 | peteweez | haha |
| 00:44.03 | peteweez | that would suck |
| 00:44.15 | peteweez | and possibly break the monitor |
| 00:44.20 | arkara | thanks |
| 00:45.07 | smev81 | !cairo |
| 00:45.11 | peteweez | Wyzard: I mean, if it does all this automatically, am I dealing with a software bug and should I report it? |
| 00:45.14 | Wyzard | peteweez: It wouldn't be bad for the monitor to drive it at too low a refresh rate (even too high a refresh rate is OK on modern monitors -- they just ignore the signal and display a message instead) |
| 00:45.24 | peteweez | ah |
| 00:45.35 | peteweez | IIRC old monitors could get really f***ed by that though |
| 00:45.49 | peteweez | X used to have large numbers of warnings about that |
| 00:45.52 | Wyzard | peteweez: but in that case, X just refused to start at all, because there's no standard video mode with a 16Hz refresh rate |
| 00:45.55 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 00:46.14 | Wyzard | peteweez: Anyway, your problem sounds more like an issue between the driver and the video card, and likely doesn't involve monitor configuration at all |
| 00:46.33 | peteweez | Oh I must have misspoken |
| 00:46.38 | peteweez | I do think it's the card |
| 00:46.44 | Wyzard | peteweez: That part isn't detected by X at startup; it's detected by the installer, from looking at what's on your PCI bus, and put into the X config |
| 00:46.48 | peteweez | I just don't know what I should do about i |
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| 00:46.51 | peteweez | ah OK |
| 00:47.07 | Wyzard | peteweez: so to troubleshoot you need to know what type of video card you have, and what driver your xorg.conf is configured to use |
| 00:47.09 | peteweez | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to check that |
| 00:47.18 | peteweez | but it no longer gives the option |
| 00:47.30 | peteweez | and I know the card both from manufacturer's specs and from lspci |
| 00:47.38 | Wyzard | peteweez: You can just look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:48.00 | peteweez | Thanks. That makes sense |
| 00:48.02 | xbj9000 | hi, when I do s2ram -f in terminal it works fine, but when I use it, or any other method for suspending, in sleep.sh, it just locks my laptop up |
| 00:48.07 | peteweez | lemme check that real quick |
| 00:48.19 | themill | dpkg tell xbj9000 suspend troubleshooting |
| 00:48.54 | themill | dpkg tell xbj9000 about suspend troubleshooting |
| 00:48.59 | themill | dpkg: you suck |
| 00:48.59 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:49.14 | cafuego | feh |
| 00:49.20 | poseidon | I'm sad now that I found what openGL actually is. It's not all that open :( |
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| 00:50.31 | Wyzard | poseidon: It's free for anyone to use and to implement (though certification is required for an implementation to use the OpenGL trademark, you can implement it and call it something else, e.g. Mesa) |
| 00:51.04 | poseidon | Wyzard, I know. I thought it was already implmented, and was open source |
| 00:51.14 | Wyzard | Well, Mesa is an open-source implementation |
| 00:51.29 | peteweez | Wyzard: agggh all the more reason for me to get this fixed ASAP...Vista doesn't seem to like the ext3 readers |
| 00:51.45 | peteweez | hates Vista |
| 00:51.46 | Wyzard | but nVidia's and ATi's hardware-accelerated implementations are proprietary |
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| 00:53.01 | Wyzard | peteweez: If you're talking about ext2ifs, I recently learned that it doesn't support filesystems made by recent versions of mke2fs, because it only supports 128-byte inodes and 256-byte inodes are the default now |
| 00:53.19 | peteweez | nah, I was using exploree2fs |
| 00:53.20 | poseidon | Wyzard, yes but mesa implments it via software acceleration, right (which is extremely slow) |
| 00:53.23 | Wyzard | peteweez: If that's the source of the problem, you can override the default and create a filesystem with 128-byte inodes |
| 00:53.24 | peteweez | not compatible with vista |
| 00:53.32 | peteweez | I'll try ifs |
| 00:53.36 | smev81 | noone knows :( |
| 00:53.43 | peteweez | but if that doesn't work, I can always boot into linux |
| 00:53.46 | xbj9000 | I've been doing troubleshooting for hours, I just don't know why it fails in script but not when manually entered |
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| 00:54.29 | Wyzard | poseidon: Mesa can work purely in software, but it's also used for hardware-accelerated rendering on GPUs that have open-source drivers, like Intel's |
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| 00:55.22 | abrotman | xbj9000: difference in environment ? |
| 00:56.30 | pseubodot | and now for a complete non-sequitur |
| 00:56.34 | peteweez | Wyzard: Thanks for your help. Since I can't get the IFS to work (as you predicted), I have to reboot. I'll check my xorg config. Thanks again. |
| 00:56.56 | pseubodot | THANKS so much to whomever added support for the 'asix' network device to D-I |
| 00:57.03 | pseubodot | You ROCK. |
| 00:57.23 | pseubodot | goes home |
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| 00:59.24 | abrotman | pseubodot: BYE! |
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| 00:59.48 | zu22 | hi guys, i am running xemacs over ssh with X11 forwarding and getting font errors (remote box is Debian lenny/sid, local box is Ubuntu dapper), anyone know how i can clear up these errors: http://pastebin.ca/1199491 |
| 00:59.50 | xbj9000 | hooray I got it |
| 00:59.56 | pseubodot | abrotman: gotta bathe a one-year old |
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| 01:00.12 | pseubodot | abrotman: you and I have more surreal conversations, but he's much cuter than you. :) |
| 01:00.27 | abrotman | pseubodot: he barfs poutine! |
| 01:00.49 | pseubodot | abrotman: and other things too. |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | hehe... later |
| 01:01.01 | pseubodot | abrotman: :) |
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| 01:01.30 | xbj9000 | I thought sleepbtn.sh was calling sleep.sh but it was not, so I had to edit it |
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| 01:01.58 | abrotman | xbj9000: doh! |
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| 01:02.15 | xbj9000 | indeed |
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| 01:04.11 | leoechevarria | hi everybody!!! |
| 01:04.20 | dvs | hi Dr. Nick |
| 01:05.14 | leoechevarria | dvs: i guess you say that because of my nickname :p |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:05.37 | dvs | leoechevarria: No, It's because I like the Simpsons |
| 01:06.31 | leoechevarria | ... |
| 01:06.33 | leoechevarria | allright |
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| 01:07.59 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.05 | torr | ? |
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| 01:08.19 | abrotman | did you run it inside screen ? |
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| 01:08.24 | abrotman | !info retty etch |
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| 01:08.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there a library that would expose which files on the filesystem were being accessed in real time? |
| 01:08.49 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 01:09.16 | abrotman | !info fam etch |
| 01:09.18 | dpkg | fam: (File Alteration Monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-12 (etch), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 01:09.27 | leoechevarria | i've looked it for lots of pages but couldn't find it so far: what package should i reconfigure so debian doesn't asks me to put the swap partition location when i change its place? |
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| 01:09.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | rock, thanks again abrotman |
| 01:09.45 | abrotman | !info inotify-tools |
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| 01:10.06 | dpkg | inotify-tools: (command-line programs providing a simple interface to inotify), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 01:10.09 | abrotman | course .. that description won't be as good |
| 01:10.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: Note that gamin may be preferable to FAM |
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| 01:10.38 | geek | leoechevarria: it shouldn't be a package. it should be a config file i think. don't quote me on this, but i think its /etc/fstab or something off the top of my head. there is probably an automatic way to do so as well |
| 01:10.52 | Wyzard | abrotman: It provides the same capabilities and is drop-in compatible, but doesn't run an RPC service |
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| 01:11.14 | leoechevarria | geek: i've already changed the line on fstab, but it still thinks the swap is on the other partition it used to be |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: i only have so much space in my head .. that's what popped out :) |
| 01:11.26 | geek | wierd |
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| 01:11.38 | geek | you might need to reboot for the changes to take effect |
| 01:11.50 | geek | i can't remember the last time i did that. |
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| 01:12.01 | leoechevarria | geek: not so weird, i've already done it before... it's just i don't remember the package, and i don't know how i couldn't find the page i found it last time |
| 01:12.07 | leoechevarria | it was something like initram |
| 01:12.14 | leoechevarria | i tried initramfs-tools but didn't work |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: you sohuld probably tell Blast_Hardcheese |
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| 01:12.55 | Wyzard | Blast_Hardcheese: See my comment above about using gamin instead of fam |
| 01:13.10 | leoechevarria | well |
| 01:13.22 | leoechevarria | i'll see it later, if someone remebers it, pleeeaseee let me know ;) |
| 01:13.27 | leoechevarria | bye! |
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| 01:14.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | Wyzard: Noted, thanks |
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| 01:14.53 | peteweez | Wyzard: I booted into linux and I'm using a text-based IRC now. I checked my xorg conf. No display adapters are listed. |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: see .. i got "rock"... you got "noted" :) |
| 01:15.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Only due to the fact that his statement started with "Note" |
| 01:15.47 | Wyzard | peteweez: You have no Section "Device" with a Driver line in it? |
| 01:16.03 | peteweez | I have an identifier line. That's all. |
| 01:16.09 | peteweez | And I know that's just a label. |
| 01:16.20 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe xorg does autodetect drivers? |
| 01:16.24 | Wyzard | or at least tries to |
| 01:16.24 | peteweez | it just says "configured video device" |
| 01:16.28 | peteweez | perhaps |
| 01:16.46 | peteweez | It certainly sounds plausible and it would be a nice feature |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes it does |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | in lenny/sid |
| 01:16.58 | Wyzard | cool |
| 01:16.59 | peteweez | abrotman: that's what I'm using |
| 01:17.09 | peteweez | well autodetect is not doing a great job |
| 01:17.10 | peteweez | lol |
| 01:17.25 | Wyzard | abrotman: What does it do if there's more than one driver that could work, e.g. nv/nvidia? |
| 01:17.49 | peteweez | Wyzard: AFAIK nvidia would not be installed by default since it's closed |
| 01:18.05 | Wyzard | I mean if it is installed |
| 01:18.12 | peteweez | hmmm good point |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: no idea .. and gravity isn't around |
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| 01:18.26 | Wyzard | Maybe I'll try it sometime |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | but what does peteweez have? |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:18.50 | peteweez | ATI Radeon HD Mobility 3650 (M86, I believe) |
| 01:19.07 | peteweez | I can give you lspci if you want but I know that's what it'll say |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | i don't see that in man radeon |
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| 01:19.30 | peteweez | not under 3600 series? |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | now .. the man page could be out of date |
| 01:19.36 | peteweez | oh radeon wouldn't do it |
| 01:19.39 | peteweez | you want radeonhd |
| 01:19.45 | Wyzard | peteweez: Your xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) should tell you what driver it's using when it starts |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.48 | peteweez | plus it is a relatively new chip |
| 01:19.57 | peteweez | hmmm |
| 01:20.08 | peteweez | and the 3850 is newer I believe |
| 01:20.13 | peteweez | maybe it is unsupported |
| 01:20.18 | peteweez | lemme check the log |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | i'm isntalling hd |
| 01:20.30 | peteweez | also I did say that there was mention of this on the wiki, right? |
| 01:20.47 | abrotman | cause you know .. radeonhd won't work here :) |
| 01:20.48 | peteweez | they said it's a problem with Asus laptops with >2 GB ram |
| 01:21.05 | Wyzard | The radeonhd manpage notes at the top that it's a work in progress and doesn't support even 2D acceleration |
| 01:21.10 | peteweez | and seeing as I really don't feel like ripping out a dimm module... |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.13 | abrotman | from the man page |
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| 01:21.18 | peteweez | ah |
| 01:21.19 | Wyzard | You'll probably want to use ATI's closed driver |
| 01:21.26 | peteweez | *sigh* |
| 01:21.29 | peteweez | I was afraid of that |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:21.39 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 01:21.48 | peteweez | it's not really closed, though, right? I mean, people can get a look at it with NDAs, right? |
| 01:21.50 | peteweez | nah |
| 01:21.52 | peteweez | it's the mobility |
| 01:21.55 | peteweez | I know it's m86 |
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| 01:21.58 | peteweez | not rv625 |
| 01:22.02 | peteweez | *rb635 |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | i got that from the man page |
| 01:22.09 | peteweez | *rv635 |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | maybe you bought it off a truck ? |
| 01:22.10 | peteweez | lol |
| 01:22.25 | peteweez | bought it off a truck? |
| 01:22.38 | peteweez | you mean black-market? |
| 01:22.40 | Wyzard | peteweez: I doubt ATi would let you look at the source code to their driver, even if you offered to sign an NDA |
| 01:22.48 | peteweez | Oh not me |
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| 01:23.04 | peteweez | but they apparently will release some of it to FOSS developers to help them out |
| 01:23.07 | peteweez | I think |
| 01:23.13 | Wyzard | peteweez: but they released specs for their cards (no NDA) and that's what's being used to develop the radeonhd driver |
| 01:23.18 | peteweez | right |
| 01:23.19 | geek | I've got a laptop with a battery that's acting a little strange. I want to try running the system on battery until it runs down, but i'd like some way to keep track of when the system actually shuts down. Any ideas? i don't mind something that would need a second system, but i don't want to have to use a stopwatch or something that needs me checking on it in person every so often |
| 01:23.28 | peteweez | and supposedly the devs |
| 01:23.32 | Wyzard | geek: Don't do that; it's bad for the battery |
| 01:23.36 | peteweez | *supposedly are helping the devs |
| 01:24.14 | peteweez | geek: if you really wanted to, you can probably configure acpi to shut it down cleanly when the battery runs out |
| 01:24.17 | geek | Wyzard: the battery was 'dead'. it came back to life. I just want to see how accurate the time remaining on it is. Its likely to be teathered |
| 01:24.24 | peteweez | if it's shut down cleanly, it should be logged |
| 01:24.28 | peteweez | idk where, though |
| 01:24.30 | peteweez | probably syslog |
| 01:24.35 | Wyzard | geek: It's especially bad for it if the battery is in poor condition... you're likely to kill it again |
| 01:24.38 | geek | peteweez: i'll need to ACPI force |
| 01:24.48 | peteweez | ACPI force? |
| 01:24.51 | Wyzard | geek: Deep-discharging lithium-ion batteries shortens their life, and can spontaneously kill them |
| 01:24.56 | peteweez | sorry not too familiar with this stuff |
| 01:25.19 | geek | Wyzard: thats the wierd thing. it went from won't charge to as good as new |
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| 01:25.44 | peteweez | did you b***h to the manufacturer |
| 01:25.52 | geek | the battery is hardly used anyway, its an old box i'm setting up for grannie work and a little thin clienting |
| 01:25.54 | peteweez | They might know |
| 01:25.58 | peteweez | gotcha |
| 01:26.07 | peteweez | so probably no longer supported |
| 01:26.09 | geek | peteweez: third party battery, and it was bought a fair bit back |
| 01:26.19 | peteweez | maybe #hw might have better insihts |
| 01:26.21 | dmoerner | geek: why not just: while true; do echo date >> ~/time; sleep 10; done |
| 01:26.22 | peteweez | *insights |
| 01:26.35 | geek | well 2 month warrentee, and it had been left around doing nothing |
| 01:26.41 | geek | dmoerner: what's that do? |
| 01:26.56 | peteweez | geek: it'll make a file that keeps recording timestamps |
| 01:26.59 | peteweez | every 10 seconds |
| 01:27.03 | geek | ahh |
| 01:27.06 | geek | that might work |
| 01:27.10 | peteweez | after it shuts down, you look at the last timestamp |
| 01:27.11 | peteweez | yeah |
| 01:27.20 | peteweez | but you better have several megs of HD space. |
| 01:27.28 | geek | got gigs |
| 01:27.31 | peteweez | god |
| 01:27.33 | peteweez | good |
| 01:27.36 | geek | its an old box, but it ain't doing much |
| 01:27.38 | peteweez | wait sleep 10 |
| 01:27.46 | geek | i'll probably put it at 60 |
| 01:27.50 | Wyzard | geek: Draining it most of the way down should reset its time estimation if it's off, but it's a bad idea to drain it fully |
| 01:27.50 | peteweez | isn't that 10ms, not 10 sec? |
| 01:27.55 | geek | i don't need much resolution |
| 01:28.00 | peteweez | that would be way too much |
| 01:28.08 | peteweez | you want 60 sec, not 60 milliseconds |
| 01:28.16 | peteweez | so sleep 60000, right? |
| 01:28.18 | Wyzard | geek: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm |
| 01:28.19 | dmoerner | sleep 10 = 10 seconds, la |
| 01:28.23 | peteweez | ah |
| 01:28.24 | peteweez | lol |
| 01:28.27 | geek | Wyzard: its estimating about 4 hours. its impossible |
| 01:28.30 | peteweez | feels stupid now |
| 01:28.47 | octox2 | is it bad to install kdetoys3 and 4 at the same time ? |
| 01:28.49 | geek | so i'll try 3 hours, (which is what i swear it should be) then plug it back in |
| 01:29.10 | Agent_bob | sleep 1m |
| 01:29.33 | stew | geek: you can just look at the logs in /var/log to determine when the machine shuts down |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | or use last |
| 01:29.54 | peteweez | Wyzard & abrotman: thanks for your help...I have to go now and I'll try to fix this later |
| 01:29.56 | geek | stew: not sure if it shuts down cleanly |
| 01:30.13 | stew | geek: doesn't matter |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | did he ever try vesa ? |
| 01:30.15 | Wyzard | geek: If it's overestimating the time remaining, as it drains down you should see the remaining time suddenly jump to a low number, when the battery notices that the capacity is below a certain threshold |
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| 01:30.50 | geek | ok |
| 01:30.52 | Wyzard | geek: I'd plug it in at that point -- my understanding is that the battery's embedded controller has recalibrated itself and should now be accurate; draining it further would just be adding wear and tear |
| 01:30.56 | geek | i'll give that a shot then |
| 01:31.05 | geek | Wyzard: aight |
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| 01:31.28 | geek | wonders what kinda crazy ass battery could LAST for 4 hours on a system thats close to a decade old anyway |
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| 01:31.46 | zmainframe | anybody using kde sid with kde 4.1.1 from experimental having their widgets get stacked up on relogin? |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | zmainframe: #debian-kde |
| 01:32.28 | zmainframe | ahh cool |
| 01:32.33 | zmainframe | thanks |
| 01:32.38 | zmainframe | I'll Join that channel |
| 01:32.50 | Agent_bob | some of the newer batteries last longer in some of the older boxen "less overhead" |
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| 01:33.07 | geek | Agent_bob: i hope so ;p |
| 01:33.14 | asg | geek: probably one that was designed for 200Mhz CPUs, 64M of ram, and non-TFT screens. |
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| 01:34.09 | geek | asg: no idea what the screen is but this is a PIII 733 with 128 mb of ram. Its running a wireless adaptor off USB as well.. so.... no, its not exactly a low power unit |
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| 01:35.17 | geek | asg: specifically http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:A20p with an aftermarket battery |
| 01:35.59 | asg | geek: I had an R40 years ago. |
| 01:36.19 | Wyzard | My brother uses an R40e to this day |
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| 01:36.40 | geek | asg: this is my brother's old box. its quite nice other than the processor being slow |
| 01:36.41 | Wyzard | and this A20p looks similar in specs to the T20 that I used to use |
| 01:36.50 | asg | Wyzard: I gave it to a friend in need; sadly, it was the only decent OpenBSD powered laptop I've ever owned |
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| 01:37.22 | Wyzard | ...actually, I may be wrong; I think my brother's laptop is an R60e |
| 01:37.40 | geek | my personal laptop is an r61 ;p |
| 01:37.57 | Wyzard | I have a Z60m now |
| 01:38.00 | asg | mine is a Dell d420, at least for now |
| 01:38.03 | Wyzard | though I don't actually use it much |
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| 01:38.09 | geek | i'm setting this up cause dad keeps hijacking my old r51 (which i set up for mom) and just needs web, and rdp |
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| 01:39.32 | geek | is likely to submit a writeup to thinkwiki on the whole process once he's done getting the last kinks ironed out |
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| 01:46.18 | seeker | I am trying to install a printer via windows(smb) and can see the computer it is on and can choose the name of the computer in name box and then i choose the driver and then when i select apply the printer does not appear in my printer window. I am using etch with a gnome gdm |
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| 01:52.17 | dvlper | hi all |
| 01:52.42 | dvlper | hello |
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| 01:53.33 | dvlper | hi |
| 01:53.48 | dvlper | hello |
| 01:53.50 | leoechevarria | hi dvlper |
| 01:54.00 | dvlper | hi |
| 01:54.09 | KnuckOne | hi ;) |
| 01:54.12 | dvlper | I thougth I am alone here |
| 01:54.32 | dvlper | I have a question about apt-get source linux |
| 01:54.48 | leoechevarria | dvlper: throw it |
| 01:55.13 | dvlper | I got these files changelog control control.common control.d copyright rules in linux-xxxx/debian/ |
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| 01:55.26 | Damin | Hey peeps.. |
| 01:55.28 | dvlper | and how could I build source tree from it |
| 01:55.43 | Damin | Anyone going to Ohio Linuxfest? |
| 01:55.45 | Damin | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ohio_LinuxFest_2008 |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | Damin: don't spam |
| 01:56.13 | Damin | abrotman: It's a question.. |
| 01:56.27 | Damin | abrotman: Wondering if anyone is going to be there to represent Debian? |
| 01:56.43 | dvlper | I am used to build from source and found some configure install Makefile files |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | this is a support channel .. very few actual developers here |
| 01:57.00 | Damin | abrotman: If so, I propose a Debian meet-up or BOF.. |
| 01:57.20 | Damin | abrotman: Sure.. but users... |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | heh .. i only know one person from ohio that uses debian |
| 01:58.06 | Damin | abrotman: Sure, but if you look at the map on the site, you'll see that it draws from about 14 states.. |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | not clicking spam links .. thanks though |
| 01:58.41 | PiousMinion | What's with "emerald" not being in debian at all? |
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| 01:58.49 | Damin | abrotman: So, you know anyone in Michigan, Illinois, West Virginia etc.. |
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| 01:59.29 | dvlper | allo leoechevarria |
| 02:00.03 | leoechevarria | dvlper: i'm sorry but i don't know how to help you :( |
| 02:00.04 | geek | turns out the gnome battery manager has graphs ;p |
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| 02:00.21 | geek | i'll need to charge it back up and reboot but it will do well enough ;p |
| 02:00.26 | dvlper | thank you anyway |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | Damin: maybe ask the debian-user mailing list .. and i'd give a better link |
| 02:00.42 | PiousMinion | wow, dpkg(the bot) doesn't even know what emerald is. :( |
| 02:00.55 | abrotman | so? |
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| 02:01.08 | dvlper | I have a question about apt-get source linux |
| 02:01.09 | Wyzard | doesn't know what emerald is either |
| 02:01.13 | geek | lol |
| 02:01.22 | PiousMinion | abrotman: was that "so?" aimed at me? |
| 02:01.30 | geek | emerald is a window decorator used with *thinks* compiz? |
| 02:01.38 | PiousMinion | emerald is the compiz-fusion window decorator |
| 02:01.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's shiny crap |
| 02:01.54 | geek | that too |
| 02:02.00 | PiousMinion | It's not in debian at all and I can't figure out why. |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | Damin: i can't remember the right list .. i'm still looking |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | PiousMinion: so package it |
| 02:02.25 | Wyzard | PiousMinion: Debian has a "compiz" package, but I don't know whether it's the "old" Compiz or the newer Compiz Fusion |
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| 02:02.37 | Wyzard | I don't think Debian ever had Beryl packages, btw |
| 02:02.47 | PiousMinion | Wyzard: lenny has the newer compix-fusion, yet contains no part of emerald. |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | Damin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-events-na/ .. that's the right list |
| 02:03.07 | Wyzard | is using Metacity's compositor and doesn't really care much about Compiz anyway |
| 02:03.12 | PiousMinion | abrotman: I would have assumed it would be built and packaged by whoever did compiz-fusion as it's part of the same project. |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | Damin: or at least the right place to ask if anyone from Debian will be attending/boothing |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | dvlper: do NOT msg me |
| 02:04.29 | jpinx | heh - more people on here than in ##linux |
| 02:04.30 | PiousMinion | say dvlpers 4x. :) |
| 02:04.56 | dvlper | sorry |
| 02:05.09 | asg | jpinx: that's just one kernel, we have that and 20,000 or so packages. Besides, you can a/s/l abrotman for extra points. |
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| 02:05.12 | ehtom | what advantages does debian have over gentoo and ubuntu? |
| 02:05.22 | asg | ehtom: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 02:06.32 | leoechevarria | ehtom: i think that'd be a good distrowar |
| 02:06.36 | leoechevarria | i would avoid it |
| 02:06.51 | ehtom | i'm not trying to start a distro war |
| 02:07.05 | leoechevarria | ehtom: i'm sure you're not |
| 02:07.51 | ehtom | ok, i'll narrow my question: atm, I see debian as a server OS, ubuntu as a desktop OS and gentoo as a developer's OS... Is this a common opinion? |
| 02:08.00 | abrotman | you'd be wrong |
| 02:08.09 | asg | ehtom: no, debian is perfectly suited to all three |
| 02:08.15 | leoechevarria | asg: ++ |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | that's the naive opinion |
| 02:08.36 | leoechevarria | we use debian as a desktop solution in school |
| 02:08.47 | ehtom | ok... but why use it over ubuntu? |
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| 02:09.12 | leoechevarria | ehtom: maybe it requires more previous configuration |
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| 02:09.30 | ehtom | ubuntu or debian? |
| 02:09.32 | Bladesman | Greetings... |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | try them both and decide |
| 02:09.44 | ehtom | abrotman: I have |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | so why are you asking us ? |
| 02:09.58 | ehtom | abrotman: because I can't decide |
| 02:10.13 | joaop | i have a driver installed with ndiswrapper with no problems, but the wlan0 interface is off, how can i switch it on? |
| 02:10.22 | leoechevarria | ehtom: it's an especially own decission |
| 02:10.34 | asg | joaop: man 5 interfaces ; man 7 wireless |
| 02:10.35 | ehtom | I'de use gentoo, except I dont want to wait 500 hours every time I emerge --update |
| 02:10.48 | Bladesman | Anyone using smtp.gmail.com and trying to connect with exim4? Having "Auth problems" here that I can't seem to puzzle out. |
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| 02:12.00 | ehtom | abrotman: in ubuntu I had the problem of not being able to compile nvidia drivers against a xen kernel, because the nvidia installer couldn't find the kernel build tree... would this not happen in debian? |
| 02:12.04 | Wyzard | ehtom: Debian has more stringent quality control and aims for server-class reliability, but the release process is slow as a result... Ubuntu has a shorter release cycle and aims mainly for desktop latest-and-greatest at the expense of some stability |
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| 02:12.23 | Bladesman | Put the server:name:password in the /etc/exim4/passwd.clients file, but no go. |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | ehtom: i don't touch nvidia |
| 02:12.29 | Wyzard | ehtom: nVidia's driver doesn't support Xen kernels |
| 02:12.34 | ehtom | Wyzard: and gentoo does both at the expense of your time? |
| 02:13.05 | leoechevarria | [22:09] <leoechevarria> i've looked it for lots of pages but couldn't find it so far: what package should i reconfigure so debian doesn't asks me to put the swap partition location when i change its place? |
| 02:13.33 | leoechevarria | didn't want to write it again :p |
| 02:13.33 | magyar | is there an "or" statment in regex? |
| 02:13.37 | ehtom | i know, but i've got the nvidia driver to work with a xen kernel |
| 02:13.40 | asg | magyar: | |
| 02:13.52 | Wyzard | ehtom: Gentoo's strength is USE flags, not processor-specific optimization like some people to think... stability-wise it seems to be roughly analogous to Debian's "testing" or "unstable" branch (despite the name, "unstable" is actually pretty usable if you know what you're doing) |
| 02:13.52 | asg | magyar: though it does depend on the type of regex |
| 02:13.56 | \amethyst | magyar: what variant of regex? |
| 02:13.58 | ehtom | its just then alsa didn't work because ubuntu's kernel had some wierdo alsa driver |
| 02:14.38 | Wyzard | ehtom: Last I checked (a few months ago, with the current nVidia driver at the time), running nVidia's own install script gives a warning that Xen kernels are not supported |
| 02:14.45 | ehtom | and I couldn't be bothered trying to find ubuntu's alsa drivers and patching them into my xen kernel tree |
| 02:14.59 | ehtom | Wyzard: kludging is required |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | export INGORE_XEN_THINGIE=1 .. can't remember exactly |
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| 02:15.13 | ehtom | Wyzard: IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 sh NVIDIA*run |
| 02:15.13 | Wyzard | ehtom: The detection of Xen and the warning are a recent change; older versions would compile the module, but it would lock the system when loaded |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | !nvidia xen |
| 02:15.19 | dpkg | export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 helps |
| 02:15.27 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 02:15.30 | Wyzard | not sure I'd trust that, but OK |
| 02:15.39 | ehtom | xen has come a long way since then |
| 02:15.50 | ehtom | the drivers *sort_of* work |
| 02:15.55 | magyar | asg: courier maildroprc >> if (/^From: *user1@domain\.com/ | *user2@domain\.com/ |*user3@domain\.com/ ) |
| 02:15.59 | asg | Wyzard: indeed because when you think 'Virtualization', you think 'Nvidia' |
| 02:16.27 | ehtom | but like I say, I couldn't build them on ubuntu due to not being able to get a proper build tree for the ubuntu kernel |
| 02:16.28 | Wyzard | ehtom: Debian has packaged Xen kernels, btw, so you don't have to compile your own or patch in sound drivers or anything |
| 02:16.45 | ehtom | Wyzard: yeah, but to use the nvidia installer, you need a kernel build tree |
| 02:16.53 | Wyzard | You shouldn't use nVidia's installer anyway |
| 02:17.00 | asg | magyar: you could probably get away with *user[123]@domain\.com but again, it depends on if the regex is posix or pcre |
| 02:17.07 | Wyzard | use the packages (on both Debian and Ubuntu) |
| 02:17.27 | ehtom | Wyzard: ubuntu's xen nvidia linux packages are so broken its not even funny |
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| 02:17.40 | ehtom | I haven't tried that configuration in debian, so I don't know |
| 02:17.41 | Bladesman | leoechevarria: Write the swap partition's placement in the /etc/fstab file. You may have to also swapoff, mkswap, and swapon again to get things to all work correctly. |
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| 02:17.56 | asg | grrrr, night all |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | night asg! |
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| 02:18.16 | leoechevarria | Bladesman: i'll see it later, thanks! |
| 02:18.44 | Wyzard | I can't comment on using nVidia and Xen together, since that's an unsupported hack anyway, but I successfully use Xen in Debian and nVidia in Debian (on two different systems) all with official Debian packages, no custom-compiling or manual installation |
| 02:19.15 | magyar | asg: no clue. The man page for maildrop doesn't mention the type of regex is being used |
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| 02:20.05 | ehtom | abrotman: is it relatively painless to get xen + nvidia working in debian? |
| 02:21.14 | Wyzard | ehtom: You can build nvidia-kernel packages for arbitrary kernels (even custom ones) using the make-kpkg tool... that builds directly, without using nVidia's script, so it might work |
| 02:21.21 | joaop | i installed the xp driver with ndiswrapper with success but the wlan0 network still doesnt exist, some ideia ? |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | ehtom: see above .. i don't touch nvidia thank goodness |
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| 02:22.42 | Wyzard | ehtom: The build tree, btw, isn't a requirement of nVidia's install script, per se... it's a requirement for building *any* kernel module, by any method |
| 02:22.55 | ehtom | no |
| 02:22.57 | ehtom | it isnt |
| 02:22.58 | ehtom | :S |
| 02:23.06 | ehtom | linux-headers are enough for most modules |
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| 02:23.10 | ehtom | but not the nvidia kernel |
| 02:23.15 | Wyzard | ehtom: and that's all nVidia needs too |
| 02:23.26 | ehtom | apparently not |
| 02:23.39 | ehtom | because it breaks horrifically, on ubuntu anyway |
| 02:23.43 | Wyzard | Well, OK, maybe their script thinks you need a full tree, but you shouldn't use the script anyway |
| 02:23.57 | ehtom | no, it actually needs some stuff |
| 02:24.04 | ehtom | like kmap |
| 02:24.06 | Wyzard | Building nvidia-kernel packages in Debian using make-kpkg requires only linux-headers and not a full tree |
| 02:24.15 | ehtom | which it can't find unless it has the full headers |
| 02:24.19 | ehtom | err |
| 02:24.22 | ehtom | full tree |
| 02:24.49 | ehtom | maybe the ubuntu package is just broken |
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| 02:25.16 | ehtom | thats what bugged me about ubuntu... everything works until you try and do something slightly unusual |
| 02:25.30 | Wyzard | I don't know about the process of building nVidia packages in Ubuntu since I've only used their prepackaged ones, but I'd expect it to be basically the same as in Debian |
| 02:25.41 | Wyzard | I've built nvidia-kernel packages in Debian and never needed a full tree |
| 02:26.18 | ehtom | well, the real problem is that linux needs a set of fully open source graphics drivers |
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| 02:26.49 | ehtom | but I don't think that's practical at the moment unfortunately |
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| 02:27.04 | Wyzard | Linux has plenty of open-source graphics drivers |
| 02:27.16 | ehtom | it has none which provide full acceleration |
| 02:27.30 | ehtom | on a moderately new card, at least |
| 02:27.44 | Wyzard | Implementing hardware 3D acceleration requires detailed hardware specs which nVidia does not make available |
| 02:28.11 | ehtom | i'm pretty sure they would if there was alot of pressure |
| 02:28.16 | Wyzard | There's a project ongoing to reverse-engineer nVidia's drivers to get the info needed, but that's a slow process |
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| 02:28.35 | ehtom | they don't want to release full spec's because it would help ati |
| 02:28.45 | Wyzard | right |
| 02:28.47 | magyar | \amethyst: it seems to be pcre type regex |
| 02:28.49 | ehtom | maybe if they both released specs :P |
| 02:28.56 | Wyzard | ATi already did |
| 02:28.58 | tymonn_ | i have intel 64 computer which one of THIS is for me? [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 02:29.02 | Wyzard | and they're being used to write the radeonhd driver |
| 02:29.05 | tymonn_ | core 2 duo |
| 02:29.14 | ehtom | Wyzard: fglrx is a binary driver iirc |
| 02:29.27 | Wyzard | I'm talking about radeonhd, not fglrx |
| 02:29.36 | Wyzard | It's pretty immature right now -- doesn't even do 2D acceleration |
| 02:29.40 | tymonn_ | Wyzard: i have the same drama |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | tymonn_: i386 or amd64 |
| 02:29.58 | Wyzard | but as it gets better, people will likely start preferring ATi hardware over nVidia for use on Linux |
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| 02:30.13 | Wyzard | That *might* push nVidia to release specs to stay competitive |
| 02:30.25 | tymonn_ | abrotman: amd64 doesnt mean that it has to be AMD right :) is the 64 version for intel, its named amd becaz they were the first ones inventing it :) |
| 02:30.39 | ehtom | Wyzard: I wasn't aware of radeonhd... i'll def buy ati cards in the future |
| 02:30.44 | Wyzard | tymonn_: correct -- I'm running AMD64 Debian on a Core 2 Duo right now |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | tymonn_: i386 or amd64 |
| 02:31.13 | ehtom | nvidia are probably just being stubborn |
| 02:31.16 | tymonn_ | Wyzard: hot!!! :D any problems till now? |
| 02:31.21 | tymonn_ | abrotman: thanks a lot :) |
| 02:31.27 | ehtom | they'll release drivers if there's enough pressure |
| 02:31.39 | Wyzard | tymonn_: What AMD calls "AMD64", Intel used to call "em64t", and now calls "Intel 64"... the generic name is "x86_64" (or "x64" as Microsoft calls it) |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | yeah .. after they're almost dead |
| 02:32.12 | ehtom | abrotman: well, in 3d gamer world ati is trouncing nvidia atm |
| 02:32.21 | ehtom | so thats not completely impossible :P |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | i hope it stays that way |
| 02:32.40 | ehtom | abrotman: you hate nvidia? |
| 02:32.55 | Wyzard | ehtom: dunno, I recently bought an 8800GT (for a Windows gaming box) and it handles everything I run on max settings |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | i don't like companies that have little to no regard for their customers |
| 02:33.12 | tymonn_ | Wyzard: no hopes for us.. radeonhd users right? |
| 02:33.15 | ehtom | Wyzard: 8800GT is way crappier than new ati card |
| 02:33.53 | Wyzard | ehtom: maybe so, but I don't care about the top-of-the-line way-too-expensive l33t gamer card |
| 02:34.08 | muddd | i have an ati card yay |
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| 02:34.19 | muddd | old though |
| 02:34.27 | ehtom | Wyzard: the l33t gamer card this year is your card next year :P |
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| 02:34.59 | Wyzard | ehtom: and until radeonhd is mature enough to be usable, nVidia actually has better Linux support if you need 3D accel |
| 02:35.20 | Wyzard | ehtom: (The existing free radeon driver only supports older GPUs, and fglrx is buggy) |
| 02:35.23 | tymonn_ | Wyzard: no hopes for us.. radeonhd users right? |
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| 02:35.53 | Wyzard | ehtom: and yep, when next year comes I might very well buy one, if I can use it with radeonhd |
| 02:36.04 | ehtom | to be honest, ati should be coding the radeonhd drivers |
| 02:36.13 | ehtom | but keeping them open source |
| 02:36.20 | Wyzard | ehtom: but for now I stick with nVidia (even for a Windows box, because I'm sure I'll want to run Linux on it at some point) |
| 02:36.48 | kingsley | How does one install Adobe's flash so it works with iceweasel in unstable? |
| 02:36.56 | Wyzard | tymonn_: I don't have any firsthand experience with radeonhd, but I looked at its manpage earlier today and it says the driver is still a work-in-progress and doesn't even support 2D acceleration yet |
| 02:36.59 | zinx | kingsley: aptitude install flashplayer-nonfree |
| 02:37.09 | Wyzard | flashplugin-nonfree actually |
| 02:37.20 | Wyzard | needs non-free in sources.list btw |
| 02:37.25 | zinx | oh, ok |
| 02:37.40 | ehtom | whats the difference between aptitude install and apt-get install? |
| 02:38.06 | \amethyst | !why aptitude > ehtom |
| 02:38.11 | \amethyst | !why not aptitude > ehtom |
| 02:38.23 | ehtom | didnt work |
| 02:38.28 | \amethyst | !why aptitude |
| 02:38.28 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 02:38.30 | kingsley | zinx & Wyzard: Is that all, just check source.list and run "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree"? |
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| 02:38.53 | kingsley | s/source/sources/ |
| 02:38.57 | ehtom | oh ok |
| 02:39.07 | zinx | kingsley: yes |
| 02:39.28 | kingsley | zinx: I'll try it. |
| 02:40.09 | Wyzard | tymonn_: btw, this is sort of esoteric, but if you use virtualization, be aware that the kvm-intel kernel module conflicts will VMware's modules and will cause a lockup |
| 02:40.19 | Wyzard | oh, he left |
| 02:40.34 | kingsley | OK, /etc/apt/sources.list has non-free... |
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| 02:45.25 | kingsley | zinx & Wyzard: I verified that sources.list has non-free, closed iceweasel, did "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree", restarted iceweasel and visited an Adobe flash test page at http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/. The later indicated that flash is not installed. |
| 02:45.41 | zinx | kingsley: do you have javascript turned on? |
| 02:45.54 | abrotman | update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so ? |
| 02:46.25 | kingsley | zinx: yes. |
| 02:46.37 | zinx | kingsley: does about:plugin list flash? |
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| 02:47.17 | zinx | erh, about:plugins |
| 02:47.49 | kingsley | zinx: OK, I checked plugins. flash is not listed. |
| 02:48.17 | zinx | o_O |
| 02:48.20 | Wyzard | kingsley: Are you using a 64-bit system? |
| 02:48.26 | zinx | kingsley: ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 02:48.39 | zinx | Wyzard: flash works on unstable even on 64-bit plugins with the flashplugin-nonfree package. |
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| 02:48.52 | Wyzard | zinx: I know, but it doesn't show up in about:plugins |
| 02:49.00 | zinx | Wyzard: yes it does. |
| 02:49.12 | Wyzard | zinx: does not -- I just checked, both iceweasel and epiphany |
| 02:49.18 | kingsley | Wyzard: I'm using a 32 bit system. |
| 02:49.20 | zinx | Wyzard: does, i just check iceweasel on Debian unstable. |
| 02:49.25 | hikenboot | hello all which version of debian is best recommended as a build system for LFS anyone know |
| 02:49.29 | zinx | Wyzard: if you don't see it, then you don't have flah. |
| 02:49.30 | zinx | flash |
| 02:49.38 | kingsley | zinc: ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins lists nine files. |
| 02:49.45 | zinx | kingsley: what are they? |
| 02:49.57 | kingsley | zinx: flash-mozilla.so libjavaplugin.so nppdf.so |
| 02:49.57 | kingsley | libjavaplugin_oji.so libnullplugin.so raclass.zip |
| 02:49.57 | kingsley | libjavaplugin_oji.so.orig mplayerplug-in.so rpnp.so |
| 02:50.00 | Wyzard | zinx: The package is installed and the files exist in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins... though maybe it's randomly broken itself again (it's happened before) |
| 02:50.12 | zinx | kingsley: did you close all iceweasel windows and restart it? |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | someone was in here earlier saying the samething .. the symlink was broken |
| 02:50.25 | zinx | kingsley: even minimized/etc ones |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | or maybe it was earlier today |
| 02:50.35 | kingsley | zinx: Yes, I closed all iceweasel windows and restarted it. |
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| 02:50.39 | abrotman | the flash-mozilla.so is broken somehow |
| 02:50.43 | zinx | Wyzard: you're supposed to let nspluginwrapper update when it gets updated :P |
| 02:50.45 | abrotman | or i'll just keep talking to myself |
| 02:51.01 | zinx | kingsley: ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so |
| 02:51.15 | zinx | abrotman: let's test that theory? |
| 02:51.25 | kingsley | zinx & Wyzard: Unofrtunately, I need to go get a pizza. I'll be back in about half an hour. |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | just use the logs .. i'm fairly certain it was today |
| 02:51.32 | kingsley | zinx & Wyzard: Hold that thought! |
| 02:51.36 | Wyzard | zinx: I'm running up-to-date sid... are you saying there's an additional update step beyond normal apt upgrades? |
| 02:51.41 | zinx | kingsley: won't be here later :/ |
| 02:51.49 | hikenboot | the directions indicate that binutils-2.12 to 2.17 is recommended as well as Gcc-2.95.3 to 4.1.0 and glibc-2.2.5 to 2.39 |
| 02:51.54 | zinx | Wyzard: no, it's an option that appears when you update |
| 02:52.02 | Wyzard | zinx: I've never seen any such option |
| 02:52.48 | zinx | Wyzard: i saw it the last nspluginwrapper upgrade :/ |
| 02:53.11 | zinx | in any case, check the symlinks too |
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| 02:53.37 | zinx | mine are: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so -> /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so |
| 02:53.46 | zinx | and it's working fine |
| 02:54.10 | hikenboot | from this information is there some place I can go to find out what versions are installed in lets say sarge or etch |
| 02:54.20 | hikenboot | without installing to find out |
| 02:54.37 | zinx | hikenboot: packages.debian.org has the latest package info for all releases/sid |
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| 02:54.41 | Wyzard | zinx: I have those same links, and the target (libflashplayer.so) exists |
| 02:54.47 | hikenboot | thanks zinx |
| 02:55.03 | Wyzard | zinx: but I just purged and reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree and it didn't help (last time Flash randomly broke, that fixed it) |
| 02:55.23 | zinx | Wyzard: then nspluginwrapper didn't update it, probably |
| 02:55.27 | zinx | Wyzard: you can do it manually.. |
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| 02:56.39 | abrotman | i guess flash wasn't that important |
| 02:56.45 | Wyzard | zinx: hmm, I didn't know nspluginwrapper had a standalone binary... "nsplugwrapper -l" doesn't list anything, even after doing "nspluginwrapper -a" |
| 02:58.53 | Wyzard | zinx: hang on, I was mistaken when I compared symlinks earlier... my /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so was pointing to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so, not to /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so |
| 02:59.06 | zinx | Wyzard: hope you're on 32-bit :P |
| 02:59.24 | Wyzard | dunno how it got that way -- that isn't even a valid alternative according to "update-alternatives --list flash-mozilla.so" |
| 02:59.34 | Wyzard | but setting the alternative back to --auto fixed it |
| 02:59.37 | Wyzard | weird |
| 02:59.57 | Wyzard | (and yes, I'm 64-bit) |
| 03:00.00 | muddd | whats the debian room for bs'n? |
| 03:00.07 | zinx | #debian-offtopic maybe |
| 03:00.11 | zinx | has no clue, in reality |
| 03:00.13 | muddd | thx |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | yes .. /topic |
| 03:00.30 | muddd | doh |
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| 03:03.44 | anarcat | any good tips on how to read power levels (more than voltages) on a motherboard? |
| 03:03.58 | anarcat | like: is there any reading or sensor on the power supply in pcs? |
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| 03:03.59 | zinx | what do you want to read apart from voltages? |
| 03:04.06 | anarcat | (or other platforms, out of curiousity) |
| 03:04.10 | anarcat | zinx: power fluctuations |
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| 03:04.19 | anarcat | where power is actually "intensity", in Amps |
| 03:04.31 | anarcat | (do i make sense?) |
| 03:04.35 | Wyzard | "intensity" isn't an electrical term... amps are a unit of current |
| 03:04.35 | zinx | most hardware can't read that |
| 03:04.45 | anarcat | Wyzard: current, thanks |
| 03:04.50 | anarcat | it's "intensité" in french :) |
| 03:05.01 | anarcat | zinx: ack |
| 03:05.06 | freeRag | any one for when is the end of the world schedule ? |
| 03:05.11 | anarcat | i've got a dying power suply here, i think |
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| 03:05.21 | zinx | anarcat: the voltages will be off if it is |
| 03:05.22 | anarcat | freeRag: fairly soon, i heard |
| 03:05.24 | Wyzard | but current should be proportional to voltage |
| 03:05.26 | freeRag | any one knows for when is the end of the world schedule ? |
| 03:05.27 | anarcat | zinx: interesting |
| 03:05.28 | abrotman | freeRag: try #debian-offtopic |
| 03:05.38 | Wyzard | since I don't imagine the resistance of a motherboard changes significantly during operation |
| 03:05.43 | Wyzard | (though I may be wrong; I'm no EE) |
| 03:05.43 | peteweez | Wyzard: You still around? I have some more info for you. |
| 03:05.43 | zinx | anarcat: but you may not notice them being off until your computer shuts down, locks up, or reboots spontaneously :P |
| 03:05.52 | anarcat | right |
| 03:05.55 | freeRag | i mean the black hole experiment |
| 03:05.56 | anarcat | so er |
| 03:06.01 | anarcat | how do i read voltages again? :) |
| 03:06.02 | Wyzard | so just measure voltage |
| 03:06.10 | zinx | anarcat: 'sensors' in debian |
| 03:06.13 | anarcat | ack |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | freeRag: try #debian-offtopic |
| 03:06.15 | zinx | anarcat: and hope you have a supported board |
| 03:06.39 | peteweez | Wyzard: I checked my Xorg log and X correctly selected the radeon driver. It prints a message about supported hardware, and my chip is specifically mentioned as supported. |
| 03:06.39 | Wyzard | freeRag: Check Slashdot... the LHC was successfully started up this morning |
| 03:06.46 | peteweez | not its series, but the specific chip |
| 03:06.52 | peteweez | so it's def supported |
| 03:06.53 | freeRag | that was just for testing |
| 03:07.10 | peteweez | and the chip was correctly autodetected |
| 03:07.17 | freeRag | the real deal inst but for a couple of months TG |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | freeRag: stop already |
| 03:07.25 | Wyzard | freeRag: It's offtopic here, as abrotman said |
| 03:07.34 | kingsley | zinx & Wyzard; I'm back. |
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| 03:07.59 | peteweez | Time to file a bug report? |
| 03:08.09 | Wyzard | freeRag: but if you're looking for info, "Large Hadron Collider" would be a better search term than "end of the world schedule" |
| 03:08.23 | peteweez | Or pull an updated driver off of subversion, cvs, or whatnot>? |
| 03:08.38 | Wyzard | peteweez: dunno; I have little experience with ATi hardware |
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| 03:08.46 | peteweez | Wyzard: ditto |
| 03:08.47 | freeRag | caldron hollider dosent bring out any thing on google |
| 03:09.06 | peteweez | I used to always get NVidia stuff until I learned how jerky they are the FOSS community |
| 03:09.08 | Wyzard | freeRag: Hadron... or just read the Slashdot article |
| 03:09.11 | zinx | is tempted to !ops freeRag, but figures he's not worth the many lines of spam that'll produce |
| 03:09.13 | Wyzard | freeRag: Stop asking about it here |
| 03:09.14 | abrotman | or stop asking here |
| 03:09.30 | kingsley | zinx: Are you still here? |
| 03:09.32 | anarcat | http://pastebin.ca/1199577 |
| 03:09.41 | anarcat | zinx / Wyzard : how does that look? ^ |
| 03:09.50 | zinx | kingsley: aye, ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so |
| 03:09.51 | kingsley | o |
| 03:09.52 | peteweez | Who could I contact? Or where would I file a report and what data would the devs need? |
| 03:10.02 | Wyzard | peteweez: If you're talking about not releasing hardware specs, that's not really any worse than ATi was until relatively recently |
| 03:10.12 | peteweez | Oh I know that |
| 03:10.20 | peteweez | but ATI recently had a minor change of heart |
| 03:10.23 | anarcat | -12, +3.3, +5, V5SB vary |
| 03:10.26 | kingsley | zinx: ls -l reports "/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so -> /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so' |
| 03:10.29 | peteweez | so I figured I should support that by buying their crap |
| 03:10.32 | zinx | anarcat: looks like sensors may have some wrong values for your motherboard |
| 03:10.38 | freeRag | should i enable router black hole detection ? |
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| 03:10.46 | anarcat | zinx: or isn't it off? |
| 03:10.47 | zinx | kingsley: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so |
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| 03:11.01 | abrotman | freeRag: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 03:11.09 | Wyzard | peteweez: I'll seriously consider buying ATi hardware when radeonhd is actually viable for real-world use |
| 03:11.15 | zinx | tosses abrotman a % |
| 03:11.17 | peteweez | heh |
| 03:11.21 | peteweez | well it works fine |
| 03:11.27 | kingsley | zinx: OK, the second ls -l command reports "/etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so". |
| 03:11.27 | peteweez | if you like Winblows, that is |
| 03:11.40 | peteweez | It's just as capable as NVidia |
| 03:11.47 | peteweez | and competitive by most benchmarks |
| 03:11.48 | zinx | kingsley: hum, what about uname -m |
| 03:11.49 | abrotman | kingsley: try strace on iceweasel when you start it |
| 03:11.53 | peteweez | it just plain doesn't work |
| 03:11.53 | peteweez | lol |
| 03:11.54 | anarcat | zinx: i mean of the values, it seems only -12V and V5SB are wrong... |
| 03:12.16 | kingsley | zinx: "uname -m" reports "i686" |
| 03:12.20 | Wyzard | peteweez: for now, I stick with nVidia because fglrx is more buggy |
| 03:12.22 | zinx | anarcat: the min/max are wrong, for some boards that can mean the value is wrong oto |
| 03:12.31 | peteweez | anyway n00b question where do I find the devs for the OSS radeon driver? |
| 03:12.31 | zinx | kingsley: try getting help from abrotman :P |
| 03:12.37 | anarcat | zinx: ack |
| 03:12.38 | peteweez | and you are definitely right about that |
| 03:12.42 | abrotman | i'm waiting 8 more minutes and then going to bed :) |
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| 03:12.47 | peteweez | well except for the infinite loop bug |
| 03:12.49 | anarcat | w83627hf: Found W83697HF chip at 0x290 |
| 03:12.51 | peteweez | you ever heard of that one? |
| 03:12.51 | anarcat | is the chip |
| 03:12.56 | Wyzard | peteweez: but I were in your position I'd try fglrx (it works OK overall, certainly better than what you're getting from the radeon driver) |
| 03:12.59 | zinx | kingsley: though, ldd /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so may provide more info.. it'll be too spammy to paste in #debian directly |
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| 03:13.04 | peteweez | lol true |
| 03:13.16 | peteweez | OK and if that doesn't work then it's probly not the driver's fault, right? |
| 03:13.17 | anarcat | not sure how to figure out the mb here |
| 03:13.42 | anarcat | oh well |
| 03:13.46 | anarcat | it's noisy as hell anyways |
| 03:13.47 | Wyzard | peteweez: probably |
| 03:13.52 | anarcat | i'll just replace the damn thing :) |
| 03:14.17 | peteweez | k thx |
| 03:14.29 | zinx | anarcat: fwiw the 3.3V and -5V are both way off if those are the right values... but 3.3V and -5V aren't used for much, either |
| 03:15.02 | zinx | erh, it would be the +5V :x |
| 03:15.08 | anarcat | yeah |
| 03:15.10 | anarcat | it's weird |
| 03:15.20 | anarcat | man, it's so noisy |
| 03:15.23 | peteweez | What exactly is buggy about fglrx? |
| 03:15.23 | zinx | anarcat: yeah, best way to figure out if a power supply's bad is to replace it and see if the problem still happens :P |
| 03:15.27 | anarcat | the power supply's fan is annying |
| 03:15.31 | anarcat | yeah |
| 03:15.33 | anarcat | i'll try it out |
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| 03:15.36 | peteweez | I'm not going to get random crashing, am I? |
| 03:15.45 | peteweez | Like segfaults left and right? |
| 03:15.49 | anarcat | i've got a stack of dead boxes here anyways, i can't believe there isn't one working in there |
| 03:15.51 | zinx | peteweez: i've heard various people complaining about crashes when logging out, when using gdm/kdm |
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| 03:16.24 | peteweez | zinx: OK thanks |
| 03:16.34 | peteweez | I'm fine with just using the command-line getty |
| 03:16.38 | Wyzard | peteweez: I tested it at work about two years ago and found that on a dual-screen setup, after logging out, the left monitor would be black, the right monitor would show the picture that ought to be on the left monitor, and the picture that ought to be on the right monitor was nowere to be seen |
| 03:16.49 | Wyzard | peteweez: When I say "buggy" I mean weird quirks like that |
| 03:16.51 | peteweez | wtf |
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| 03:16.58 | n-iCe | oidentd uses my user name as ident, is there a way to change it, without create a new user? |
| 03:16.59 | peteweez | That's almost as bad as my old computer |
| 03:17.16 | Wyzard | peteweez: I've been told by friends that drivers have always been ATi's low point |
| 03:17.26 | peteweez | man, drivers are everyone's low point |
| 03:17.34 | peteweez | but maybe ATi more than others |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | not if you give away your specs |
| 03:18.00 | peteweez | abrotman: yeah FOSS drivers are great |
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| 03:18.04 | zinx | abrotman: but then they'll know all our secrets!!! |
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| 03:18.11 | peteweez | proprietary drivers by just about anyone suck |
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| 03:18.23 | Wyzard | It also didn't provide Xinerama info like nVidia's driver does, so you'd get annoying things like the login box being positioned right on the split between the two monitors, rather than centered nicely on one of them |
| 03:18.24 | peteweez | even Windoze drivers |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | zinx: yay triangles |
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| 03:18.43 | zinx | abrotman: i mean, the damages are incalculable! negative numbers aren't calculable right? |
| 03:18.51 | kingsley | abrotman: Running iceweasel with strace seemed to me to be a reasonable idea, but unfortunately, its output contained no mention of a filename containing the string "flash", even after I visited Adobe flash test sites. |
| 03:18.51 | peteweez | zinx: rofl |
| 03:18.54 | abrotman | zinx: you need more pascal |
| 03:19.15 | abrotman | kingsley: i don't have logs from earlier .. the guy said exactly how he fixed it |
| 03:19.28 | peteweez | I think it's just that the business execs don't really understand this model |
| 03:19.34 | peteweez | oh well this is totally offtopic |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | kingsley: he said that it seemed to be looking for a file that wasn't there .. it worked for root but not for user |
| 03:19.38 | peteweez | forget it |
| 03:19.42 | kingsley | zinx: What would you suggest looking for in the output of "ldd /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so"? |
| 03:19.49 | zinx | kingsley: missing libraries :) |
| 03:20.01 | zinx | (if there is one, then you need to file a bug) |
| 03:20.12 | zinx | and you can install it and it'll work, too :/ |
| 03:21.18 | peteweez | OK real n00b question: which repository must I enable to get fglrx? non-free or contrib? |
| 03:21.30 | zinx | peteweez: just get it from ati.amd.com |
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| 03:21.38 | Wyzard | peteweez: non-free I think, but there's no reason to not enable contrib if you have non-free |
| 03:21.46 | zinx | peteweez: use ./ati-installer-thingie --buildandinstallpkg Debian/foo |
| 03:22.00 | zinx | peteweez: it will generate .deb packages then install them. |
| 03:22.03 | peteweez | zinx: it would be much more simple to get it with apt since I have no graphical interface on my Linux now and I can't mount my Linux partitions from Winblows |
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| 03:22.22 | zinx | peteweez: you can use the ati/radeon/radeonhd driver for 2d |
| 03:22.23 | peteweez | I realized why not: I have LUKS enabled...maybe FreeOTFE could take care of that, but oh well |
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| 03:22.37 | peteweez | zinx: uh that's not working very well at the moment |
| 03:22.38 | peteweez | hehe |
| 03:22.41 | n-iCe | oidentd uses my user name as ident, is there a way to change it, without create a new user? |
| 03:22.44 | zinx | peteweez: then you can use vesa :x |
| 03:22.55 | peteweez | vesa? |
| 03:22.59 | peteweez | sorry not familiar |
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| 03:23.07 | zinx | peteweez: the 'vesa' x.org video driver |
| 03:23.21 | peteweez | is it just a very generic driver? |
| 03:23.27 | Wyzard | It's the generic unaccelerated driver that'll work on anything |
| 03:23.33 | peteweez | ah |
| 03:24.01 | zinx | nah, that would be 'vga', but vga is like 640x480x16 maximum or something |
| 03:24.03 | peteweez | OK now since X automatically selects an appropriate driver, how do I force it to select a particular driver |
| 03:24.17 | Wyzard | Put Driver "foo" in that Device section in your xorg.conf |
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| 03:24.22 | zinx | peteweez: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or uninstall the auto-detection thing :x |
| 03:24.24 | peteweez | thanks |
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| 03:24.40 | wols | zinx: how would you uninstall that? |
| 03:24.51 | Wyzard | zinx: OK, anything non-ancient |
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| 03:25.17 | Wyzard | zinx: and even "vga" won't work on everything -- EGA, CGA, etc. :-P |
| 03:25.17 | peteweez | wols: I get the impression that it's a built-in feature |
| 03:25.21 | zinx | wols: i would uninstall it with aptitude, personally. |
| 03:25.29 | peteweez | oh I stand corrected |
| 03:25.48 | wols | zinx: so what would you uninstall? |
| 03:25.57 | zinx | 'discover' or whatever the offending package is, i don't think i've ever had anything installed that messed with /etc/X11/xorg.conf automatically |
| 03:26.05 | zinx | so i have no idea what it would be called :P |
| 03:26.13 | wols | zinx: wrong. discover won't care about your X |
| 03:26.15 | zinx | but it's obviously a package or option somewhere, since i don't have it :P |
| 03:26.27 | wols | not to mention it's not part of X |
| 03:26.29 | zinx | wols: dude, are you just trying to find a reason to call me wrong? |
| 03:26.33 | peteweez | zinx: As far as I can tell, it does not alter Xorg.conf |
| 03:26.33 | zinx | wols: listen to what i'm saying. |
| 03:26.42 | wols | zinx: I don't need areason. you are |
| 03:26.47 | peteweez | it didn't alter mine |
| 03:26.48 | Wyzard | zinx: It seems to be a built-in feature of X that if your config doesn't specify a driver, X guesses one |
| 03:26.56 | wols | lennx X and above uses autodetect. built in |
| 03:26.58 | peteweez | it just guesses it at runtime |
| 03:27.06 | peteweez | I saw it in the Xorg.log |
| 03:27.10 | peteweez | it scans the PCI |
| 03:27.16 | Wyzard | You'll never see the feature if your xorg.conf specifies a driver |
| 03:27.24 | peteweez | then goes through a bunch of crap and then chooses its driver |
| 03:27.25 | peteweez | right |
| 03:27.26 | kingsley | zinx: My untrained eye doesn't notice any missing libraries in the "ldd" command's output. |
| 03:27.34 | peteweez | I'm just saying that |
| 03:27.41 | peteweez | AFAIK it doesn't mess with Xorg.conf |
| 03:27.42 | wols | peteweez: but generally it uses fglrx (or nvidia) if you install that for some reason |
| 03:28.02 | Wyzard | wols: That's good to know -- I just learned about this feature today and had wondered about that |
| 03:28.09 | wols | ie no need to specify in xorg.conf |
| 03:28.16 | Wyzard | one more bit of legacy cruft I can remove from my xorg.conf :-) |
| 03:28.29 | peteweez | cool |
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| 03:28.38 | wols | the legacy cruft is good wyzard. legacy works |
| 03:28.46 | peteweez | wols: amen to that |
| 03:28.47 | wols | autodetect...not so much :) |
| 03:28.53 | peteweez | it works...sometimes. |
| 03:28.55 | peteweez | lol |
| 03:29.15 | Wyzard | wols: Well, what I mean is, I've already removed my refresh rates and the Screen section specifying resolutions, as well as the font paths, because those are all handled nicely by autodetection and defaults |
| 03:29.24 | peteweez | OK so in xorg.conf I've added a line under Section "Device" saying Driver "vesa" |
| 03:29.27 | peteweez | is that what I need |
| 03:29.29 | kingsley | Where, if anywhere, are #debian's log files archive don the web? |
| 03:29.29 | peteweez | ? |
| 03:29.37 | Wyzard | peteweez: sounds correct |
| 03:29.38 | wols | kingsley: nowhere |
| 03:29.41 | peteweez | cool |
| 03:29.46 | kingsley | s/archive don/archived on/ |
| 03:29.53 | peteweez | prays that his screen doesn't decide to explode |
| 03:29.55 | wols | peteweez: vesa shouldn't need any entry |
| 03:30.02 | peteweez | wols: ??? |
| 03:30.03 | wols | peteweez: what videocard? |
| 03:30.15 | peteweez | ATi Mobility Radeon HD 3650 |
| 03:30.15 | zinx | wols: he's having problems with the autodetected driver, from what i gather |
| 03:30.22 | peteweez | M86 series |
| 03:30.25 | peteweez | zinx: right |
| 03:30.27 | zinx | wols: and wants to install fglrx |
| 03:30.33 | wols | peteweez: etch or lenny? |
| 03:30.36 | peteweez | lenny |
| 03:30.38 | Wyzard | wols: It's defaulting to radeon, which fails |
| 03:30.45 | peteweez | etch doesn't do autodetect AFAIK |
| 03:30.56 | wols | you don't need X to install fglrx |
| 03:31.21 | peteweez | I don't think I need fglrx at the moment |
| 03:31.35 | peteweez | if radeonhd fails but vesa works, then the driver is faulty |
| 03:31.39 | wols | you will hate vesa. really soon |
| 03:31.43 | peteweez | but if they both fail, something else is awry |
| 03:31.50 | peteweez | no I just mean for diagnostic purposes |
| 03:31.57 | peteweez | not for a long-term solution |
| 03:31.58 | Wyzard | peteweez: You don't want to use vesa long-term |
| 03:32.04 | peteweez | for that, yes, I will use fglrx |
| 03:32.08 | Wyzard | Even dragging windows around can peg your CPU |
| 03:32.13 | peteweez | but something tells me the driver may not be at faul |
| 03:32.16 | peteweez | *fault |
| 03:32.37 | peteweez | types startx and crosses fingers |
| 03:32.55 | peteweez | it worked |
| 03:32.58 | peteweez | vesa works |
| 03:33.04 | peteweez | therefore my hardware is NOT faulty |
| 03:33.10 | peteweez | WOOHOO!!! |
| 03:33.17 | peteweez | thank you so much guys |
| 03:33.24 | peteweez | I know I've tied up a lot of your time |
| 03:33.35 | Wyzard | peteweez: Your hardware probably isn't faulty anyway, but I don't think the success of the vesa driver really tells you anything in that regard |
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| 03:33.46 | peteweez | really? |
| 03:33.52 | peteweez | Oh I get it |
| 03:33.57 | peteweez | the driver is very basic |
| 03:34.00 | Wyzard | peteweez: You're using a basic legacy feature of the card, not the real GPU |
| 03:34.11 | peteweez | it doesn't take advantage of any of the acceleration |
| 03:34.26 | muddd | omg abrotman is gone wtf isnt he supposed to be here always? |
| 03:34.26 | peteweez | therefore I'm not -really- using the card |
| 03:34.40 | peteweez | it's more like saying "text mode works therefore the entire card works" |
| 03:34.58 | Wyzard | peteweez: yeah... I was going to make an analogy about the human brainstem vs. the rest of the brain |
| 03:35.31 | peteweez | haha perfect I get it |
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| 03:35.52 | peteweez | just cause the medulla oblangata is functioning does not mean the entire brain is alive |
| 03:36.00 | Wyzard | exactly |
| 03:36.15 | peteweez | When gksu "grabbed" the screen, I got a bit of a glitch |
| 03:36.20 | peteweez | would this be normal for vesa? |
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| 03:36.27 | [RUsh] | Hello. I can't install firefox in debian lenny: mozilla-firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 3.0.1-1 is to be installed |
| 03:36.31 | Wyzard | lag when redrawing things is normal |
| 03:36.38 | Wyzard | The CPU has to run a loop to modify pixels one-by-one |
| 03:36.39 | peteweez | OK good |
| 03:36.42 | peteweez | makes sense |
| 03:36.53 | peteweez | the CPU instead of the GPU is doing the lifting |
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| 03:36.57 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:37.16 | peteweez | [ |
| 03:37.22 | Wyzard | The video card is acting like nothing more than a framebuffer and a RAMDAC (and not even the latter if you're using DVI) |
| 03:37.27 | peteweez | [RUsh]: have you tried apt-get install iceweasel? |
| 03:37.41 | peteweez | Wyzard it's a laptop so I don't know the output interface |
| 03:37.57 | [RUsh] | peteweez: i, m trying... |
| 03:38.01 | peteweez | k |
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| 03:38.18 | peteweez | sounds like maybe you have a mixture of distros |
| 03:38.21 | peteweez | not distros |
| 03:38.26 | peteweez | sorry I meant releases |
| 03:38.37 | peteweez | like you're running etch and lenny stuff on the same machine |
| 03:38.53 | Wyzard | peteweez: probably LVDS for the internal panel, but the comment about DVI applies to that case too (there's no conversion to analog involved) |
| 03:38.57 | [RUsh] | peteweez: it doesn't help, I have the same error |
| 03:39.40 | peteweez | gotcha |
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| 03:40.07 | peteweez | [RUsh]: hmmm...are your package lists up to date? |
| 03:40.13 | [RUsh] | yes |
| 03:40.40 | [RUsh] | peteweez: so, I can use iceweasel |
| 03:40.44 | [RUsh] | It's like firefox |
| 03:40.49 | peteweez | OK then you need to force apt to install the version it's demanding |
| 03:40.52 | peteweez | oh yeah |
| 03:40.52 | [RUsh] | but older versuion |
| 03:40.58 | peteweez | iceweasel is not an older version |
| 03:41.07 | peteweez | basically firefox has some proprietary artwork in it |
| 03:41.20 | [RUsh] | hm |
| 03:41.26 | peteweez | this pissed off some of the Debian powers-that-be because they are very passionate about open-source |
| 03:41.29 | [RUsh] | so - I will use iceweasel ) |
| 03:41.30 | peteweez | so they forked |
| 03:41.38 | peteweez | iceweasel is just firefox with open-source art |
| 03:41.44 | peteweez | yeah use iceweasel |
| 03:41.56 | peteweez | or if that bothers you, just download firefox directly from mozilla.org |
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| 03:42.08 | zeeble | or use swiftfox |
| 03:42.09 | [RUsh] | anyway, there's anothe problem, with vlan interfaces |
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| 03:42.18 | peteweez | lol that I know nothing about |
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| 03:42.37 | [RUsh] | I can't bring up vlan interface the way I did it in etch |
| 03:42.55 | [RUsh] | I have "no such device" errors |
| 03:43.20 | [RUsh] | and have to do everything manually |
| 03:43.33 | Wyzard | peteweez: Actually, the fork was because although Mozilla was willing to grant Debian the right to use the Firefox trademark on Debian's builds of the app, they weren't willing to grant that license to Debian's end-users, and Debian considered that a violation of DFSG#8 (license must not be specific to Debian), making Firefox non-free |
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| 03:43.59 | peteweez | gotcha |
| 03:44.10 | peteweez | How do you remember all this anyway? |
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| 03:44.25 | Wyzard | peteweez: From Mozilla's standpoint, their behavior was reasonable -- third-party builds may differ from Mozilla's official build, and not everyone has the same quality standards as Debian |
| 03:44.33 | peteweez | right |
| 03:44.45 | Wyzard | peteweez: It was discussed extensively on debian-devel... I don't subscribe, but I read the archives sometimes |
| 03:44.55 | peteweez | ah cool |
| 03:45.59 | Wyzard | peteweez: The name "iceweasel" was originally used sarcastically, btw |
| 03:46.07 | dudeman | SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1f0 ctl 0x3f6 bmdma 0xf000 irq 14 <-- I am getting errors like these in my dmesg, upon system boot, and often times if I try to access a file on my drive the entire system locks up |
| 03:46.10 | peteweez | I remember reading about that |
| 03:46.27 | dudeman | what does this mean? so far google tells me its a kernel problem or something |
| 03:46.31 | dudeman | or is my hdd going bad? |
| 03:46.34 | peteweez | it's not the first time Debian's done that (i.e. XFree86) |
| 03:47.07 | Wyzard | dudeman: That's either a problem communicating with the drive (possibly a bad cable) or an I/O error reported by the drive (possibly a dying drive) |
| 03:47.20 | Wyzard | dudeman: can't tell from that line... are there any other messages along with it? |
| 03:47.21 | dudeman | http://paste.debian.net/16954/ here is my dmesg |
| 03:47.47 | dudeman | http://paste.debian.net/16955/ <-- dmesg|grep dma |
| 03:48.08 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, those aren't errors |
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| 03:48.13 | freeRag | how so i enable router black hole detection ? |
| 03:48.17 | geek | Wyzard: *chuckles* i'm dreading explaining to my formerly IE using users that that 'yes. that is firefox... i mean the internet' ;p |
| 03:48.20 | freeRag | how do i enable router black hole detection ? |
| 03:48.23 | Wyzard | that's just the SATA connection being detected |
| 03:48.32 | Wyzard | sorry, I was thinking of a different message :-) |
| 03:48.33 | geek | JUST sneakily got people using firefox here... |
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| 03:49.16 | Wyzard | dudeman: Do you get different messages when you access files on the problem drive? |
| 03:49.43 | dudeman | no just the whole system locks up and nothing in dmesg when i reboot |
| 03:49.59 | dudeman | alt sysrq + b dosn't work |
| 03:50.09 | peteweez | What's the partition manager that Debian's installer uses? I just realized that I have to resize my /boot...and to do that I have to resize my swap to make room |
| 03:50.10 | Wyzard | well, dmesg is only in RAM, so it's no surprise that the messages aren't there after a reboot |
| 03:50.24 | peteweez | and swap is encrypted |
| 03:50.54 | dudeman | :( |
| 03:50.56 | Wyzard | peteweez: random key, I assume? |
| 03:50.57 | dudeman | see how much I know |
| 03:51.03 | dudeman | Wyzard, so how do i check the messages then |
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| 03:51.25 | freeRag | any one isntalled debian on open solaris ? |
| 03:51.28 | Wyzard | peteweez: There should be a line in /etc/crypttab for your encrypted swap device, that gives the name of the underlying partition |
| 03:52.06 | peteweez | Wyzard: yes random |
| 03:52.22 | peteweez | oh so if I just resize it but leave it with the same device node, I don't even have to change anythin? |
| 03:52.29 | Wyzard | peteweez: You can use fdisk to delete your swap partition and extend the /boot partition, then recreate the swap partition... since the disk is currently in-use, the changes won't take effect until your next reboot |
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| 03:52.43 | peteweez | I was going to use a livecd for that actually |
| 03:52.51 | peteweez | I don't like screwing with a mounted HD |
| 03:52.51 | Wyzard | peteweez: After rebooting, unmount your /boot and resize the filesystem |
| 03:53.15 | Wyzard | peteweez: You shouldn't have to do anything at all with the swap unless you changed the device name, in which case you just have to update crypttab |
| 03:53.58 | peteweez | OK thanks |
| 03:54.07 | peteweez | yeah I partitioned with 20 MB boot space |
| 03:54.11 | peteweez | I thought that was enough |
| 03:54.14 | peteweez | maybe 5 years ago |
| 03:54.18 | peteweez | bangs head |
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| 03:54.32 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:54.47 | peteweez | but I have 8 GB swap...normally swap is supposed to be 2 x RAM, but if I have 4 GB ram, that's not necessary, right? |
| 03:54.56 | Wyzard | I generally use 100MB, which is more than enough but still tiny compared to modern disks |
| 03:55.00 | peteweez | and I could always create a swap file if I needed additional space |
| 03:55.11 | peteweez | so 100 Mb Would be reasonable? |
| 03:55.25 | Wyzard | peteweez: 8GB swap is probably too much, and I never really subscribed to the "twice your physical RAM" rule of thumb |
| 03:55.40 | eorlroe | peteweez: I usee 100MB for my /boots. |
| 03:55.41 | peteweez | It made sense when 512 MB was a lot of ram |
| 03:55.50 | peteweez | eorlroe: and you have enough room? |
| 03:55.52 | Wyzard | A better formula is "amount of memory you wish you had" minus "amount of RAM you actually have" :-) |
| 03:56.13 | peteweez | nobody but maybe a supercomputer or a server NEEDS even 4 GB |
| 03:56.24 | peteweez | so I don't even really need swap |
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| 03:56.35 | peteweez | I mean my old box had 512 MB and it was usually enough |
| 03:56.38 | eorlroe | peteweez: I currently have 3 kernels using 34MB... so, yeah. |
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| 03:56.42 | peteweez | 800 MB would've been more than enough |
| 03:56.44 | Wyzard | Actually, I have 4GB RAM and I exhausted it by accident once, on a desktop |
| 03:56.51 | peteweez | eorlroe: gotcha thanks |
| 03:57.00 | peteweez | Wyzard: wtf did you do? |
| 03:57.03 | Wyzard | by opening a 24576x24576 image file... :-) |
| 03:57.07 | eorlroe | peteweez: As for swap... I've hear linus say that you should at least have *some* swap... even if you have 4GB RAM. |
| 03:57.08 | peteweez | rofl |
| 03:57.14 | peteweez | yeah |
| 03:57.26 | peteweez | but 7.5 gb would be more than enough |
| 03:57.28 | Wyzard | but I also use VMware, and often allocate a gigabyte or two to a VM |
| 03:57.30 | dondelelcaro | it's not that hard to use insane amounts of memory |
| 03:57.33 | peteweez | as opposed to 8 GB |
| 03:57.55 | dondelelcaro | is currently using around 7G |
| 03:57.56 | Wyzard | so the real question is how much memory is actually needed by the software you run |
| 03:57.59 | peteweez | dondelelcaro: I don't know how, but sometimes firefox will just allocate more and more memory |
| 03:58.07 | eorlroe | peteweez: Using some swap improves performance because of the disk caching logic. |
| 03:58.08 | peteweez | until you kill it |
| 03:58.11 | peteweez | right |
| 03:58.18 | peteweez | yeah I'll use some |
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| 03:58.31 | peteweez | I'm just saying 7.5 instead of 8 GB won't hurt anything |
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| 03:58.37 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:58.57 | Wyzard | I used to have 2GB of RAM and 3GB of swap and it was more than enough |
| 03:59.00 | zeeble | dondelelcaro: 7G RAM on a workstation? |
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| 03:59.33 | Wyzard | Now I have 4GB of swap, mainly because I added another disk and it made sense with my disk layout to add another 1GB partition to match the other three |
| 04:00.06 | peteweez | Oh that's right swap wouldn't need to be all in one partition anyway |
| 04:00.07 | zeeble | i have like 1.5GB of ram, and 1gb of swap on this laptop |
| 04:00.30 | peteweez | so if it turns out I need that extra 0.5 GB, I just shave that much off of /home (the end of the disk) and make another swap there |
| 04:00.33 | kgoetz | i have 256mb of ram, and 2.2gb of swap :) |
| 04:00.42 | peteweez | kgoetz: it works OK? |
| 04:00.46 | Wyzard | Well, my swapspace is a RAID-0 array of 1GB partitions across several identically-partitioned disks |
| 04:00.57 | Wyzard | so when I got the new disk, it made sense to extend the array |
| 04:00.59 | kgoetz | peteweez: less swap would be sweet, but 256mb of ram+etch works pretty good |
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| 04:01.10 | kgoetz | afk. meeting :( |
| 04:01.15 | dondelelcaro | zeeble: 16G, actually |
| 04:01.23 | peteweez | hey for fglrx am I going to need kernel headers? |
| 04:01.25 | dondelelcaro | but only 7G of it isn't being used for cache |
| 04:01.30 | zeeble | dondelelcaro: dang, what the heck are you doing on it? |
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| 04:01.35 | dondelelcaro | zeeble: work |
| 04:01.36 | peteweez | the wikipedia article mentions that kernel sources are needed for DRI suport |
| 04:01.48 | Wyzard | peteweez: If you compile it yourself, yes, but I think there are precompiled fglrx-modules packages to go with the linux-image packages |
| 04:01.48 | dondelelcaro | zeeble: analyzing huge datasets, and other random crap |
| 04:01.56 | zeeble | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 04:03.26 | peteweez | cool thanks |
| 04:03.31 | peteweez | OK let's try this |
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| 04:04.42 | peteweez | Thank you so much for all of your help...I have to leave now to repartition |
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| 04:26.30 | nirupama | any body has some knowledge on eyeos |
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| 04:30.13 | inc_ | sup |
| 04:30.28 | inc_ | im havin audio troubles with the latest debian kernel on a intel soundcard |
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| 04:35.44 | n3kl | Hey, how can I burn a dvd iso with groisofs? |
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| 04:38.09 | frogonwheels | > To use growisofs to write a pre-mastered ISO-image to a DVD: |
| 04:38.09 | frogonwheels | > growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso |
| 04:38.24 | frogonwheels | I think you just do /dev/dvd=image.iso |
| 04:38.33 | frogonwheels | (n3kl ^^^) |
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| 04:38.52 | n3kl | Ahhh |
| 04:39.06 | n3kl | Thanks |
| 04:39.14 | n3kl | I kept burning the iso as a file on teh dvd |
| 04:39.18 | frogonwheels | do you have a .. |
| 04:39.19 | n3kl | really annoying |
| 04:39.19 | frogonwheels | yeah |
| 04:39.28 | frogonwheels | I think I only did that once though. |
| 04:39.37 | frogonwheels | I usually end up using a gui |
| 04:39.51 | n3kl | trying to script it here, so no gui |
| 04:40.09 | frogonwheels | well, anyway - that was taken from the man page. |
| 04:40.23 | n3kl | Ahhh |
| 04:40.26 | inc_ | so uh yea |
| 04:40.31 | n3kl | Must not have looked hard enough, thanks again |
| 04:40.31 | inc_ | i didnt see anything in man |
| 04:40.36 | inc_ | for my alsa ;/ |
| 04:40.53 | frogonwheels | :) |
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| 04:41.14 | frogonwheels | np - iirc it took me a while to figure it the first time. |
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| 04:50.52 | n3kl | inc_: whats your malfunction? |
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| 04:55.03 | m[e]ntor | good morning |
| 04:55.13 | n3kl | good night |
| 04:55.26 | n3kl | m[e]ntor: where are you? |
| 04:55.32 | m[e]ntor | germany ^^ |
| 04:55.35 | n3kl | Ahh |
| 04:55.37 | n3kl | neat |
| 04:55.51 | m[e]ntor | i´m having trouble to bring bei sarge eth0 up |
| 04:56.18 | n3kl | error message? |
| 04:56.44 | m[e]ntor | failed to bring eth0 up |
| 04:58.02 | m[e]ntor | eth0: error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:58.13 | n3kl | perhasp the device name changed |
| 04:58.22 | n3kl | try ifconfig eth1 up, ifconfig eth2 up |
| 04:58.38 | n3kl | there is an /etc/mactab I believe, or another way, callled.... |
| 04:58.44 | n3kl | I forget, but you can set it statically |
| 04:58.51 | inc_ | n3kl: the sound wont work at all |
| 04:58.55 | inc_ | current kernel and everything |
| 04:58.57 | inc_ | stable |
| 04:59.21 | n3kl | !tell inc_ about alsa checklist |
| 04:59.38 | m[e]ntor | eth0/1/2:Error while getting interface flags: Kein passendes Gerät gefunden |
| 04:59.40 | lagbolt | sarge eth yikes |
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| 04:59.50 | m[e]ntor | it means he diodn´t find the card |
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| 05:00.06 | n3kl | um, dmesg | grep eth |
| 05:01.02 | m[e]ntor | no output ^^ |
| 05:01.11 | n3kl | m[e]ntor: try: cat /proc/net/dev | awk '{ print $1 }' |
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| 05:02.01 | m[e]ntor | Inter-| |
| 05:02.04 | m[e]ntor | face |
| 05:02.06 | m[e]ntor | lo: |
| 05:02.10 | m[e]ntor | sit0: |
| 05:02.23 | n3kl | thats it? |
| 05:02.26 | m[e]ntor | jep |
| 05:02.36 | n3kl | sit0 looks like an interface, but I don't know what kind |
| 05:02.42 | liable | ipv6 |
| 05:02.51 | n3kl | Ah |
| 05:03.04 | m[e]ntor | but i don´t have ipv6 here ^^ |
| 05:03.19 | n3kl | Did sarge even support ipv6? |
| 05:03.27 | liable | thats ok, just ignore it |
| 05:03.42 | liable | linux has supported ipv6 for a long time |
| 05:04.17 | m[e]ntor | and what can i do now? |
| 05:04.55 | n3kl | Sounds to me like you dont have a module loaded or the device is really not there |
| 05:05.36 | m[e]ntor | i have upgrade the server in the lastr two days |
| 05:05.55 | m[e]ntor | and there was every time a problem with udev |
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| 05:06.30 | m[e]ntor | there was a version 114 installed and he tried to install a version 125 but that failes |
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| 05:08.33 | m[e]ntor | and i have removed that old version but i´m was not able to install the new version |
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| 05:21.08 | xerophyte | how can i list files on deb .. not a installed one .. i want to list files in downloaded deb file ? |
| 05:21.39 | n3kl | ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:21.45 | dudeman | mydrmeix, stop |
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| 05:22.07 | xerophyte | n3kl: i have downloade deb from web .. i want to list files in it |
| 05:22.08 | dudeman | xerophyte, well you want to view the files inside a .deb file? |
| 05:22.16 | xerophyte | dudeman: yes, thanks |
| 05:22.27 | dudeman | xerophyte, all i know is ar x blah.deb <-- extracts the file |
| 05:22.27 | n3kl | xerophyte: ar t $file |
| 05:22.31 | dudeman | you can try man ar |
| 05:22.37 | dudeman | see if there is a list only function |
| 05:22.42 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: dpkg-deb -c |
| 05:22.43 | peteweez | Some of you may remember my problem...I have an ATi video card and I've gotten X to work with vesa. However, it fails with both the open-source radeon driver and the proprietary fglrx driver. |
| 05:22.51 | dudeman | t i tis |
| 05:22.52 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: man dpkg-deb; for details |
| 05:22.56 | peteweez | xorg.log may have some useful output |
| 05:22.57 | dudeman | ahh |
| 05:23.05 | peteweez | anyone willing to take a stab at my problem? |
| 05:23.05 | xerophyte | thx |
| 05:23.14 | dudeman | dondelelcaro, nice! |
| 05:23.36 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro: thx that works |
| 05:23.42 | dudeman | peteweez, which debian release? |
| 05:23.50 | peteweez | lenny |
| 05:23.55 | dudeman | fglrx is broken |
| 05:23.59 | peteweez | haha |
| 05:24.04 | peteweez | that was easy |
| 05:24.09 | peteweez | thank you very much dudeman |
| 05:24.12 | dudeman | which card do you have? |
| 05:24.22 | peteweez | ATi Mobility Radeon HD 3650 |
| 05:24.27 | dudeman | look for bugs on fglrx-driver package |
| 05:24.37 | peteweez | one thing still perplexes me |
| 05:24.39 | dudeman | peteweez, I have X1900XT and I use the radeon driver |
| 05:24.42 | peteweez | why do BOTH drivers fail |
| 05:24.55 | peteweez | both drivers claim to support my card |
| 05:24.59 | peteweez | and both fail miserably |
| 05:25.01 | dudeman | use radeon and pastebin your log and xorg.conf |
| 05:25.10 | peteweez | moment please |
| 05:25.19 | dudeman | peteweez, radeon usually works better.. however have you tried radeonhd? |
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| 05:26.28 | dudeman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=fglrx-driver;dist=testing |
| 05:26.33 | peteweez | dudeman: I've tried radeon |
| 05:26.42 | peteweez | it doesn't work |
| 05:26.51 | peteweez | I tried searching the x log |
| 05:26.52 | dudeman | peteweez, try radeonhd |
| 05:26.59 | peteweez | if you want a pastebin I'll have to log off |
| 05:27.05 | peteweez | OK hold on |
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| 05:27.42 | dudeman | (btw what exactly are the errors) |
| 05:27.46 | dudeman | yes i'd like a log. |
| 05:28.12 | peteweez | the errors are that the screen shows dark green blobs on top of a light green background |
| 05:28.22 | peteweez | then black lines on a white background |
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| 05:28.37 | peteweez | then I press ctrl+alt+bksp :-) |
| 05:28.45 | dudeman | uhuh |
| 05:28.55 | dudeman | you need to start going to #radeon and #radeonhd |
| 05:29.03 | peteweez | oh |
| 05:29.07 | peteweez | didn't know they existed |
| 05:29.16 | peteweez | knew about #ati, though |
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| 05:29.19 | dudeman | ask the developers/gurus for help |
| 05:29.22 | peteweez | do you still want the pastebin? |
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| 05:29.29 | dudeman | share the pastebin there |
| 05:29.36 | peteweez | will do |
| 05:29.39 | peteweez | thanks for the help |
| 05:29.49 | dudeman | also tell them of your debian pacakge version |
| 05:29.59 | dudeman | the lenny radeon/radeonhd versions that you are using |
| 05:30.26 | dudeman | any/all logs will be helpful |
| 05:30.30 | dudeman | good luck! |
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| 05:35.43 | mydrmeix | any ideas when chmod u+s doesnt set for root. im trying to get svgalib permissions for ezquake |
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| 05:40.47 | mydrmeix | i am getting I |
| 05:40.59 | mydrmeix | I\O permission failures even as root |
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| 05:42.40 | cast | hey all, i'm trying to work out dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, http://cbl.abuseat.org/namingproblems.html is telling me that the mail server returning HELO "localhost" is bad bad. though in exim4-config i haven't put localhost in any of the fields, am i doing something wrong here? or is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config working fine? |
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| 05:49.15 | cast | think i found the problem, hostname --fqdn returns localhost |
| 05:51.25 | mydrmeix | I\O permission failures even as root |
| 05:51.30 | mydrmeix | links2 -g runs but not quake.svgafind |
| 05:51.34 | mydrmeix | find |
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| 05:51.38 | mydrmeix | search |
| 05:51.44 | mydrmeix | data |
| 05:51.47 | mydrmeix | base |
| 05:51.50 | adama_ | shhhhh |
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| 05:52.03 | mydrmeix | win |
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| 05:54.56 | Rico29 | hello |
| 05:55.20 | peteweez | dudeman: I have the logs. What is your pastebin of choice? |
| 05:56.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell peteweez -about pastee |
| 05:56.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell peteweez -about paste |
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| 05:56.38 | Rico29 | i'm trying to install grub on a sowftware RAID 5 (LVM) but i have problems |
| 05:56.42 | peteweez | thanks |
| 05:56.51 | Rico29 | has anyone install it successfully ? |
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| 05:58.53 | peteweez | dudeman: http://rafb.net/p/wWM5T664.html |
| 06:00.12 | harpal | How to access linux partitions in windows machine |
| 06:00.26 | peteweez | harpal: explore2fs |
| 06:00.35 | peteweez | or ext2 ifs |
| 06:00.38 | peteweez | google them |
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| 06:00.49 | peteweez | they might work for you |
| 06:00.53 | Rico29 | anybody for the raid5 problem ? |
| 06:01.16 | harpal | peteweez, I have explora2fs but problem is that its cant reading suse partitions although its ext3 |
| 06:01.56 | ^shark_ | harpal: ntfs-3g |
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| 06:02.30 | harpal | ^shark_, Is that for windows? Its for linux to mount ntfs partitions |
| 06:02.41 | linostar | harpla, explore2fs can deal with ext2 but not ext3, ext2ifs can read both |
| 06:02.56 | harpal | linostar,ok |
| 06:03.04 | peteweez | I second linostar...ifs is pretty good |
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| 06:03.35 | Rico29 | :( |
| 06:04.27 | linostar | Rico29, you should explain your problem more if you want to get help |
| 06:04.45 | Rico29 | linostar > i can't manage to install grub on my system |
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| 06:04.53 | Rico29 | i've read that /boot must be in raid1 |
| 06:05.08 | Rico29 | but i want to know if there is another solution |
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| 06:05.47 | peteweez | OK maybe dudeman went away. He told me that fglrx is broken in lenny. If I compile the sources obtained directly from ATi, will that work or is that also broken? |
| 06:06.08 | fireba11_grr | Rico29 : uhm .. no not really |
| 06:06.16 | Rico29 | argh |
| 06:06.22 | peteweez | Or would somebody like to look at my pastebin and see my Xorg.log to try to figure out what happened with the Radeon driver? |
| 06:07.04 | fireba11_grr | Rico29 : i mean i just joined and missed the start of the conversation but why you think /boot has to be on raid1 ? |
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| 06:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey - I got a small riddle - amarok couldn't play music because the alsa sound device was apparently blocked - I looked which process blocked it and killed it and now it plays again. The question is- how can this it be this process: xpdf /tmp/TOCSY2.pdf |
| 06:07.35 | Rico29 | fireba11 because there is no problem with grub on raid1 |
| 06:07.41 | havocologe | is there a tool that can monitor and log what process is accessing what file ? |
| 06:07.52 | fireba11_grr | Rico29: there also is no problem with grub on raid 5 |
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| 06:08.05 | peteweez | havocologe: I think fuser can do that |
| 06:08.10 | peteweez | but I wouldn't swear to it |
| 06:08.10 | Rico29 | so why have I problems ? |
| 06:08.14 | peteweez | try man fuser |
| 06:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | havocologe, try if apt-cache show fam tells you that is what youre looking for |
| 06:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | havocologe, probably not what you want in itself... but what you're looking for probably uses it |
| 06:08.50 | peteweez | AFAIK fuser doesn't log |
| 06:08.57 | Rico29 | i think i will reinstall my system on raid1 |
| 06:09.22 | havocologe | that thingy sounds quite niche CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 06:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | havocologe, actually, do apt-cache show rdepends fam to see what packages depend on it |
| 06:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | havocologe, I think "fileschanged" might be what you are looking for (never heared of it before, though) |
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| 06:11.55 | gkkk | hey, how to set default winmanager? |
| 06:12.18 | gkkk | after removing compiz-fusion xfwm4 doesn't autorun |
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| 06:12.38 | fdv_ | I have notebook DELL Latitude D630 and Debian Eth on it. Bluetooth work's fine, but Wi-Fi - no. Wi-Fi based on broadcom bcm43xx. I tryed linux drivers - it found device, but interface not created, i tryed ndiswrapper - it found device, but do not see wlan0 again. Can anybody help me? |
| 06:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | gkkk, you can normally select it from the login screen |
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| 06:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | gkkk, I think the last installed one might become the default - try reinstalling the package |
| 06:13.06 | lagbolt | gkkk, maybe "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" |
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| 06:13.30 | kgoetz | fdv_: do yourself a favour - buy a different card. |
| 06:13.43 | nachos | hey, im having trouble with re-installing GRUB ( i updated menu.lst ) i keep on getting "/dev/sda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS device" when i run "install-grub /dev/sda1" |
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| 06:13.48 | ^shark_ | I am getting GPG error after an apt-get update as seen here >> http://pastebin.com/d19e3def4. |
| 06:14.32 | fdv_ | kgoetz, no, it's notebook from my firm |
| 06:15.25 | ^shark_ | I continued to apt-get update but no change, my little research on ubuntu tells me I should rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* but I am not sure this can help, should I remove the list of the repository that is failing or I remove all lists |
| 06:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | gkkk, that would be apt-get install xfce4 --reinstall , if some installation script makes it the default |
| 06:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nachos, grub doesn't use /dev/sda, but something like hw(0,1), afaik |
| 06:17.53 | nachos | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah it can use either according to the docs, im reading a promising newsgroup thread |
| 06:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nachos, something like root (hd0,1) |
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| 06:18.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | nachos, does the error change when you use (hd0,0) or (hd0,1)? |
| 06:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, for how long did the error occur? |
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| 06:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no... doesn't happen for me - I wondered if perhaps the key was really corrupted |
| 06:22.11 | ^shark_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I have just seen this today |
| 06:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm also using security.debian.org ... and doesn't happen to me |
| 06:22.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:23.56 | geek | lololol |
| 06:24.01 | geek | Agiofws: spam! ;p |
| 06:24.07 | ^shark_ | CutMeOwnThroat: from what I can tell, this is a signature problem but I don't know how this has suddenly changed on my machine |
| 06:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, I added my gpg key to your pastebin -compare with yours |
| 06:24.12 | Agiofws | geek, ? |
| 06:24.25 | ^shark_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 06:24.35 | cast | Agiofws: block? |
| 06:24.40 | Agiofws | nope |
| 06:24.54 | geek | Agiofws: Your're being spambotted. i suggest logging on with a real client and blocking anyone not on your buddy list |
| 06:25.00 | Agiofws | ofws block carissavallelmeo@hotmail.com |
| 06:25.00 | Agiofws | root Nick `carissavallelmeo@hotmail.com' does not exist |
| 06:25.26 | Agiofws | ? |
| 06:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, oops, update the pastebin once more - I put the full path |
| 06:26.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, it's /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_Release.gpg I was talking about |
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| 06:26.21 | nachos | what runlevel is basicly the save as runlevel 2 but doesnt start X |
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| 06:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, hm, ops, that's stupid -that's the signature for the Release file |
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| 06:27.10 | Agiofws | geek, Puts the specified user on your ignore list. Either specify the user's nick when you have him/her in your contact list or a connection number and a user handle. |
| 06:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it's the key :( |
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| 06:27.43 | geek | Agiofws: i think it might work better if you used a normal client for blocking, and blocked everyone not on your contact list as well |
| 06:27.49 | geek | i do that to avoid spam |
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| 06:28.15 | Agiofws | agiofws block 0 carissavallelmeo@hotmail.com |
| 06:28.16 | Agiofws | root Buddy `carissavallelmeo@hotmail.com' moved from your allow- to your block-list |
| 06:28.20 | Agiofws | is that ok ? |
| 06:28.33 | Agiofws | cool |
| 06:28.48 | Agiofws | fu ck ing spam people |
| 06:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/06/msg01125.html |
| 06:29.15 | geek | Agiofws: agreed |
| 06:29.56 | christoz | hello i'm running debian "lenny" and i want to use the apt-pining mode for some packages like the newest version of pidgin, BUT there is no "preferences" sub folder in /etc/apt/ , should i create one or there is something i am missing the point? |
| 06:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/06/msg01125.html |
| 06:30.22 | geek | its not supposed to be a subfolder. its supposed to be a text file, and yes, i think you make it |
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| 06:32.02 | christoz | thanks geek, i will create a preferences named file then |
| 06:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, agreement seems to be that it's normally a broken/out-of-sync mirror |
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| 06:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^shark_, weird, that it should show up for security.debian.org... |
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| 06:36.31 | gkkk | hmm, at last I have identified my problem |
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| 06:37.17 | gkkk | when I start my laptop as unplugged (on battery), whole machine will crash if xorg is ran... |
| 06:37.28 | jan__ | I have the followng rescue system setup - http://pastebin.ca/1199730 , I would like to mount (boot fs) and execute set-grub-default to different value for my system to boot up, but i cannot chroot into (boot fs) only to (root fs) it doesnt have /bin/bash... |
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| 06:43.51 | magentar | is there a way to optimize the dpkg database for performance? the (Reading database...)-step in apt-get install takes much too long for my taste |
| 06:45.09 | ^shark_ | CutMeOwnThroat: take a look at this update >> http://pastebin.com/d2a552016 |
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| 06:45.13 | Malmis | take a valium |
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| 06:50.49 | fdv_ | pardon! |
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| 06:51.19 | mejo | how do you install kernels for your domUs on the dom0 in debian? i've the problem that my dom0 has software raid and several other things configured in initramfs, so any initramfs that is created on dom0 is unsuitible for domUs. |
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| 06:52.01 | mejo | thus my domUs fail to boot after I created them with 'xen-create-image --ip=... --debootstrap'. I would need to install a kernel+initramfs on the dom0 without all the dom0-specific configuration of the initramfs. |
| 06:52.58 | mejo | but that's impossible to my knowledge, as mkinitramfs parses /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, /etc/crypttab, etc. and configures the initramfs accordingly. |
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| 06:57.36 | Zoup | i know with $time <command> i can see cpu usage of process , how can see memory usage of process in a 'time style' way ? |
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| 07:00.42 | znh | Hello |
| 07:01.12 | znh | I'm trying up setting a pure-ftpd server.. but I cant find any documentation about configuring the port range. I need to know |
| 07:01.58 | cast | wonders why people use things other than vsftpd |
| 07:02.15 | znh | is that any good? |
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| 07:04.50 | Guerin | !vsftpd |
| 07:04.50 | dpkg | methinks vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org ... |
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| 07:06.03 | christoz | what is the name of the unstable? Sid? is that correct |
| 07:06.07 | christoz | ? |
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| 07:06.29 | Guerin | christoz: yes. |
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| 07:08.51 | christoz | Guerin, ok, i'm going to insert theze repository address in my source.list, i want to use the apt-pinning method, in order to install some programs from unstable (running tlenny now) |
| 07:08.55 | christoz | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 07:08.55 | christoz | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 07:09.35 | christoz | do i have to put and the security repositories too? |
| 07:09.38 | christoz | no eh? |
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| 07:13.59 | Guerin | christoz: hahah |
| 07:15.06 | znh | I did apt-get vsftpd.. and did 'ftp 127.0.0.1' but does not work, just getting connection refused |
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| 07:15.06 | christoz | Guerin, :D ? |
| 07:15.38 | christoz | Guerin, believe me i can tell better jokes than that |
| 07:15.40 | christoz | :P |
| 07:16.01 | christoz | but please tell me if is there smth wrong with the lists |
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| 07:16.37 | znh | Guerin: |
| 07:17.02 | christoz | ok i'll gamble on your positive reaction then |
| 07:17.03 | christoz | :P |
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| 07:28.16 | linostar | znh: make sure that your user is allowed to use ftp, and that the firewall is not blocking |
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| 07:29.44 | gynterk | :( my laptop hates me |
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| 07:30.23 | christoz | gynterk, remove it's battery to give it a lesson :P |
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| 07:31.25 | gynterk | ... |
| 07:31.43 | gynterk | xorg crashes only when I ran on battery :S |
| 07:31.44 | christoz | gynterk, well if you insist for a better payback, installing ubuntu is th lesson which laptop never forget :P |
| 07:31.51 | gynterk | without any error in log |
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| 07:32.27 | gynterk | and xorg crashes the whole machine, not only xserver |
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| 07:33.33 | christoz | gynterk, oh gee, that looks serious |
| 07:33.50 | christoz | maybe your battery is depleted |
| 07:33.59 | christoz | try to change battery |
| 07:34.11 | gynterk | works fine without X |
| 07:34.15 | gynterk | on battery |
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| 07:34.20 | avd | hi |
| 07:34.22 | christoz | it s logical |
| 07:34.29 | gynterk | bought laptop in monday :D |
| 07:34.32 | gynterk | this week |
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| 07:34.59 | christoz | try another distro to see if it's hardware problem |
| 07:35.21 | gynterk | ubuntu live works fine |
| 07:35.33 | gynterk | and knoppix too |
| 07:35.41 | avd | where i can found start-stop-daemon code source ? |
| 07:35.52 | Lagbolt | gynterk, what kinda laptop is it |
| 07:35.53 | gynterk | from internet i quess.. |
| 07:35.59 | christoz | which laptop you are using? |
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| 07:36.13 | gynterk | its build on Asus Z37PE barebone |
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| 07:36.42 | Lagbolt | gynterk, well if it works with ubuntu it should be fine in debian. you running etch? |
| 07:36.49 | Lagbolt | maybe you need a newer kernel for it? |
| 07:36.49 | gynterk | lenny |
| 07:36.52 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
| 07:36.57 | gynterk | etch doesn't support GMA X3100 |
| 07:37.00 | Lagbolt | error logs? |
| 07:37.09 | gynterk | nothing there, nothing at all |
| 07:37.18 | christoz | can't find this laptop on web |
| 07:38.29 | avd | ahhh found ! http://www.koders.com/c/fid3ADAC80CB671F5EF100C7F7D63AFB1470A9C436B.aspx |
| 07:38.35 | christoz | gynterk, when you are running with battery is the power cable connected? |
| 07:38.55 | christoz | or without it/ |
| 07:38.59 | gynterk | Z37EP not pe, sorry for typo |
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| 07:39.26 | gynterk | christoz, when battery is plugged in and cable is connected it works |
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| 07:39.42 | gynterk | but when cable is not connected runnig xorg will crash whole machine |
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| 07:44.49 | christoz | gyaresu, are you russian ? |
| 07:45.00 | christoz | oops sorry gyaresu |
| 07:45.12 | christoz | gynterk, , are you russian ? |
| 07:45.20 | gynterk | no |
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| 07:46.01 | christoz | cause i've found smth related to your problem ,but it is on russian |
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| 07:46.15 | gynterk | gimme link |
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| 07:47.37 | christoz | http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20080407201604718&board_id=3&model=X50SL&SLanguage=en-us&page=6 |
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| 07:48.02 | christoz | i don't know if that can help you though |
| 07:48.48 | gynterk | thats about ati/amd card |
| 07:48.52 | gynterk | i have intel GMA X3100 |
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| 07:49.32 | gynterk | thou works fine with vesa, bit with intel it crashes |
| 07:50.45 | fryfrog | Hi, in the near future I am going to be building a system with 4 drives and am interested in using raid10. It doesn't seem like grub would be happy with this for /boot, so I'd planned on a raid1 for /boot but I've been trying to explore (before actually attempting) the feasibility of / being the raid10 volume. |
| 07:50.48 | christoz | gynterk, maybe you must activate a module from kernel related with the battery of a laptop |
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| 07:51.12 | gynterk | but |
| 07:51.20 | gynterk | the odd thing is, that machine crashes only on run |
| 07:51.20 | fryfrog | Obviously I can always make / be raid1 and just throw the raid10 at /home, /var, etc, etc. |
| 07:51.38 | gynterk | if i run machine as plugged in and then plug out, it runs on battery without crash |
| 07:51.48 | gynterk | after logging in and running X |
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| 07:53.51 | christoz | sounds like a bug problem, maybe this laptop uses a new method on power saving , which is not yet ready for use on debian |
| 07:54.10 | christoz | is this a very new model? |
| 07:55.07 | gynterk | quite |
| 07:55.17 | christoz | gynterk, i think you should report it to the debian programmers who are workin on theze matters |
| 07:55.28 | gynterk | i |
| 07:55.34 | gynterk | i'll try to get some log info |
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| 07:56.10 | vaq | Is it possible to create a Debian cluster with two or more nodes that shared cpu and memory ressources? |
| 07:58.16 | christoz | gynterk, maybe this link gives you an idea http://boykin.acis.ufl.edu/?p=90 |
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| 07:59.04 | christoz | maybe there is a relation with your problem |
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| 08:02.07 | gynterk | thanks for the link, now I don't have to start downclocking to save power |
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| 08:02.59 | christoz | maybe it's your vga card that is responsible for the phenomenon |
| 08:03.15 | christoz | check also that probabilty |
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| 08:05.09 | thi2 | hello |
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| 08:05.30 | thi2 | could someone help me with iptables/openvpn? |
| 08:05.38 | lazyfrosch | thi2: maybe :-) |
| 08:05.39 | gynterk | great |
| 08:05.40 | gynterk | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
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| 08:06.13 | thi2 | I'm using openvpn to connect 2 networks |
| 08:06.36 | thi2 | the problems is that they can't see each other, even ping doesn't work |
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| 08:09.31 | thi2 | iptables -> http://dpaste.com/77395/ |
| 08:10.43 | Trewas | gynterk: speedstep-centrino has been deprecated ages ago and acpi-cpufreq should be used instead of it |
| 08:10.58 | gynterk | yeh |
| 08:11.14 | cast | maybe post, for host1 and then host2, iptables -L -n; iptables -t nat -L -n; route; ifconfig |
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| 08:11.47 | cast | should probably paste openvpn stuffs too, but been a while since i've used that and have forgotten :\ |
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| 08:14.28 | thi2 | hmm....the most strange thing is that this configuration was working |
| 08:14.45 | thi2 | after a month iptables stoped forwarding packages :/ |
| 08:14.51 | c0nfl|ct | hello |
| 08:15.42 | gynterk | what does tcpdump say? |
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| 08:15.54 | gynterk | are any packets moving or not? |
| 08:16.02 | vlt | Hello. On one of my Debian boxes there's a script /etc/init.d/iptables. It saves and restores fw profiles to /var/lib/iptables. `dpkg -S ...` doen't know which pkg it came from. Any idea? |
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| 08:17.06 | lazyfrosch | vlt: the init script got removed some time ago |
| 08:17.22 | lazyfrosch | thi2: it just stopped without any change from you? |
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| 08:17.29 | thi2 | yep |
| 08:17.33 | cast | see, it was full of warnings to never ever use it, too |
| 08:18.11 | lazyfrosch | thi2: please paste a iptables -L -v -n |
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| 08:18.43 | lazyfrosch | thi2: but please mask any ip address by XX |
| 08:19.20 | cast | won't that make things confusing |
| 08:19.44 | lazyfrosch | cast: what do you mean? |
| 08:19.52 | cast | iptables -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -d xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is what i mean ;P |
| 08:21.17 | lazyfrosch | cast: well you are right, but thi2 mask the external ips :-) |
| 08:21.23 | lazyfrosch | just for security :-) |
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| 08:21.47 | lazyfrosch | vlt: have a look on this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
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| 08:22.21 | thi2 | http://dpaste.com/77396/ |
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| 08:23.53 | vargadanis | how can I determine the maximum value of my CPU's load average? |
| 08:24.13 | lazyfrosch | thi2: i'll look on it |
| 08:24.21 | vargadanis | i thought it can't go over 2 as it is a single core 64bit CPU, but it was over 5 |
| 08:25.00 | lazyfrosch | vargadanis: many people say full load is 1 * cpu cores |
| 08:25.39 | lazyfrosch | vargadanis: everything above this is overloading, so taskes will have to wait for io or cpu time |
| 08:25.41 | vargadanis | lazyfrosh: than something is screwed up cause it is a single core computer |
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| 08:26.08 | vargadanis | lazyfrosh: I c... that means that the computer was seriously overloaded :) |
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| 08:26.15 | vargadanis | haha |
| 08:26.26 | lazyfrosch | vargadanis: what cpu type? |
| 08:26.28 | cast | load average can get very high, like over 100 |
| 08:26.36 | vargadanis | AMD turion ML-32 |
| 08:26.39 | lazyfrosch | but it should not |
| 08:26.41 | lazyfrosch | :-) |
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| 08:27.08 | lazyfrosch | thi2: still reading :-) |
| 08:27.11 | vargadanis | cast: so on a server with lot of users what is an acceptable number? |
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| 08:27.50 | cast | 100? fuck no |
| 08:27.51 | mike8 | Hi, we have HP ProLiant BL460c blade servers with local disk running debian lenny. The thing is that some of the blades are losing the disk after a fixed time (after 64-54 days) and we have to restart them. Does anybody know what could be the problem or has someone encountered the same problem? |
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| 08:29.08 | cast | the load average is too high when performance gets unacceptably low ;p, i don't like my desktop going above 2-3 as things get laggy |
| 08:29.20 | cast | [i have a dual core] |
| 08:29.47 | lazyfrosch | thi2: the rules look ok for me, i guess you have also some masq rules in -t nat |
| 08:30.07 | lazyfrosch | thi2: could it be an issue with openvpn? did you restart this? |
| 08:30.32 | thi2 | lazyfrosh: that the point -_- masq, net is working because local network use it |
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| 08:31.02 | thi2 | I also tryed to restart ovpn and I have upgraded it |
| 08:31.06 | thi2 | still nothing :/ |
| 08:31.43 | thi2 | the most funy thing is that ppl from local network can ping the client from vpn |
| 08:31.59 | thi2 | but ppl from vpn can't ping ppl from local network |
| 08:32.52 | vlt | lazyfrosch: Thank you. |
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| 08:33.34 | lazyfrosch | thi2: can u ping the vpn server on its vpn ip from a client? |
| 08:33.41 | lazyfrosch | thi2: and backwards |
| 08:33.59 | thi2 | yes I can ping server using vpn adress and local network adress |
| 08:34.05 | thi2 | from server I can ping clients |
| 08:34.21 | thi2 | it's look like it's forward to vpn but not from vpn o_O |
| 08:34.40 | lazyfrosch | hm |
| 08:34.51 | thi2 | but i still don't understand how it's possible, beacause it worked @_@ |
| 08:34.53 | lazyfrosch | so vpnclient -> server |
| 08:34.59 | lazyfrosch | server -> vpnclient |
| 08:35.02 | thi2 | yep |
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| 08:35.06 | lazyfrosch | computer -> vpnclient |
| 08:35.10 | thi2 | client -> server-> vpnclient |
| 08:35.12 | lazyfrosch | but not vpnclient -> server |
| 08:35.20 | thi2 | nopr |
| 08:35.32 | thi2 | vpnclinet -> server -> local client |
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| 08:36.26 | thi2 | the ping from server and local clients are going to vpn |
| 08:36.35 | thi2 | but from vpn pings are going only to server |
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| 08:41.00 | cast | what would have caused my opie seed to have changed? |
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| 08:41.46 | nachos | is thier a package that has the default kernel's build directory? |
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| 08:42.43 | lazyfrosch | thi2: ok |
| 08:43.12 | daKmoR | hey anyone useing the ntfsmount with writing? |
| 08:43.18 | lazyfrosch | thi2: is there any nat rule for traffic from vpn to localnet? btw: german? :-) |
| 08:43.41 | thi2 | lazyfrosh: nope, polish xD |
| 08:43.45 | lazyfrosch | :-) |
| 08:44.07 | thi2 | lazyfrosh: afair there is somewhere nat rule |
| 08:44.16 | daKmoR | it works just fine for a few files but for most of the files it says... "cp: cannot create directory `./new': Operation not supported" |
| 08:44.43 | vaq | Is it possible to create a Debian cluster with two or more nodes that shared cpu and memory ressources? |
| 08:45.10 | daKmoR | or "cp: cannot create regular file `./file.txt': Operation not supported" |
| 08:45.32 | daKmoR | if it's a file I wunder why this happens as he copied about 100 files without any problem... |
| 08:45.47 | thi2 | chmods/chows? |
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| 08:46.16 | daKmoR | created the mount with root and copy as root |
| 08:46.28 | daKmoR | I just want to do a one time backup |
| 08:46.47 | lazyfrosch | daKmoR: maybe cp -a ? |
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| 08:47.43 | lazyfrosch | thi2: I afraid I have no idea what your problem is :-) |
| 08:47.44 | daKmoR | I want just the files to be copied.... -a would do something else or? |
| 08:48.20 | lazyfrosch | daKmoR: -a does archive copies, with timestamps and accessrights, this is a problem for ntfs i guess |
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| 08:49.15 | lazyfrosch | but a normal copy should work aktually |
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| 08:50.05 | daKmoR | hmm... I will just try... but I don't think it will help... |
| 08:51.37 | wols | nachos: what do you mean? |
| 08:51.52 | daKmoR | maybe it's a problem because it's an external USB device? |
| 08:51.56 | wols | daKmoR:do you use ntfs or ntfs3g? |
| 08:52.02 | thi2 | lazyfrosh: can't initialize iptables table tun0 o_O |
| 08:52.08 | daKmoR | but why should some files work and others fail... |
| 08:52.19 | lazyfrosch | thi2: wtf? :-) |
| 08:52.38 | daKmoR | wols how to check that... just formated as ntfs in winXp |
| 08:52.46 | thi2 | lazyfrosh: idk o_O I just used my script to generate firewall and I have this error |
| 08:52.53 | wols | daKmoR: "mount".pastebin the result |
| 08:53.15 | lazyfrosch | thi2: ok, i'll guess a reboot would be good |
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| 08:53.28 | wols | daKmoR: or check how you mount the disk exactly |
| 08:53.55 | thi2 | done |
| 08:54.32 | thi2 | now it's ok |
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| 08:55.23 | daKmoR | wols I just mount it manually.... "ntfsmount /dev/sdf1 extHD/" |
| 08:55.40 | daKmoR | wols /dev/sdf1 on /home/dakmor/extHD type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,default_permissions,allow_other) |
| 08:56.04 | daKmoR | no sign of ntfs or so... just fuse... |
| 08:56.06 | wols | daKmoR: I'd use mount -t ntfs3g or such then |
| 08:56.20 | wols | not sure if ntfsmount is still the "proper" way |
| 08:56.30 | wols | fuse is good |
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| 08:57.00 | [sh0t] | hi all |
| 08:57.19 | daKmoR | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs3g' |
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| 08:58.03 | thi2 | strange |
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| 08:58.11 | wols | !ntfs3g |
| 08:58.11 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 08:58.32 | wols | daKmoR: it's -t ntfs-3g |
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| 08:58.45 | nachos | anyone here use debian etch as a guest in virtual box? |
| 08:58.45 | thi2 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p all -s 10.0.2.0/24 -j MASQUERADE but theres non for 10.0.3.0 o_O |
| 08:59.07 | wols | !tell nachos about anyone |
| 08:59.46 | nachos | lol, is etch compatible with the guest addition tools for VitualBox 2.0.0? |
| 09:00.13 | wols | yes |
| 09:00.28 | nachos | wols: do you use it? |
| 09:00.39 | wols | yes |
| 09:00.51 | wols | nachos: describe your problem finally! |
| 09:00.51 | nachos | wols: did you have to recompile the kernel? |
| 09:00.57 | nachos | oh lol :P |
| 09:00.58 | wols | of course not |
| 09:01.17 | nachos | i dont know what packages i need to install to get the additions installed and built. |
| 09:01.18 | wols | nachos: you get an error! which one? |
| 09:01.19 | lazyfrosch | thi2: something missing? |
| 09:01.19 | daKmoR | hmmm how to install ntfs-3g |
| 09:01.28 | daKmoR | apt-get install ntfs-3g won't work... |
| 09:01.38 | wols | daKmoR: you have it already. and the factoid told you |
| 09:01.47 | wols | nachos: install kernel headers for your kernel |
| 09:01.57 | wols | !tell daKmoR about doesn't work |
| 09:01.59 | nachos | wols: please install the build and header files for you furrent linux Kernel. |
| 09:02.05 | thi2 | ehhh... |
| 09:02.07 | thi2 | still nothing |
| 09:02.09 | wols | nachos: I told you what to get |
| 09:02.25 | nachos | wols: allready installed |
| 09:02.27 | wols | nachos: dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
| 09:02.47 | thi2 | whats the best iptables argument to forward packages betwen eth2/tun0 ? |
| 09:02.55 | wols | thi2: none |
| 09:03.02 | thi2 | maybe I missed something @_@ |
| 09:03.05 | wols | thi2: use ip forwarding |
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| 09:03.59 | wols | nachos: what does the command put out? |
| 09:04.01 | nachos | thanks wols. |
| 09:04.08 | thi2 | hmm... |
| 09:04.34 | thi2 | hmm...route add -net 10.0.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth2 |
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| 09:05.39 | nachos | wols: i have linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 installed.. is that the required one? |
| 09:06.23 | wols | nachos: depends on the kernel you run |
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| 09:06.30 | wols | nachos: uname -a |
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| 09:08.17 | liable | yay, flash is crashing the weasel *again* |
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| 09:08.36 | cast | hah for closed source |
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| 09:10.14 | robokop | i have troubles updating to linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 in lenny |
| 09:10.33 | robokop | update-grub always exits with exitcode 1 |
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| 09:11.26 | linostar | liable, often happens with big flash files. a solution is to use another browser when browsing flash files(like opera), though it may not be a convenient solution |
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| 09:12.08 | wols | robokop: there should be more. full apt output please |
| 09:14.39 | robokop | http://pastebin.com/f35a2b5e0 |
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| 09:15.06 | kahless | hi all |
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| 09:18.08 | wols | robokop: remove the new kernel again and run update-grub manually |
| 09:18.22 | wols | if the error persists your menu.lst is probably corrupted |
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| 09:20.09 | robokop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.14 | robokop | it still crashes |
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| 09:22.17 | cast | dpkg: error processing cupswrapperHL2030-2.0.1-2.i386.deb (--install): |
| 09:22.17 | dpkg | cast: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:22.17 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.23 | cast | bangs head against a wall |
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| 09:22.49 | wols | robokop: you did edit the file by hand |
| 09:22.56 | robokop | yes i did |
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| 09:23.15 | wols | robokop: what did you change except kernel parameters? |
| 09:23.21 | robokop | nothing |
| 09:24.39 | wols | since memtest86=true and there is no memtest entry I don't really believe you |
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| 09:25.56 | et | how long is "grub" supposed to take? It says it probes for bios devices, which can take a long time ... how long? |
| 09:26.05 | daKmoR | wols thx for your help... I got it now... the problem was I had etch so I needed backport of the ntfs-3g package... but seems to work now... big thx ... :) |
| 09:26.05 | cast | cups shouldnt care about 64bit vs 32bit correct? this printer, fuji xerox 203A, worked fine in 32bit opensolaris and ubuntu, but cant get it working in 64bit debian. it warms up like its about to print, but then doesn't :( |
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| 09:26.19 | robokop | all my changes were temp tests in the automagic list + the vga=791 addition |
| 09:27.07 | lazyfrosch | memtest86=true is default... |
| 09:28.00 | wols | cast: cups itself is code and very much cares about the platform |
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| 09:28.36 | Tex-Twil | hello |
| 09:29.18 | wols | cast: can't you get the 64bit version? the package even says i386 |
| 09:29.20 | Tex-Twil | I have problems with starting my SSH server at boot time. The run level links are there but the server is not started : http://pastebin.com/m35fd9196 |
| 09:29.54 | lazyfrosch | Tex-Twil: what is the output of /etc/init.d/sshd start? |
| 09:29.59 | lazyfrosch | sry -d |
| 09:30.32 | cast | wols: well, normally it works with the brother hl2040 driver, but for some reason not in 64bit deb |
| 09:30.54 | wols | cast: again: the package clealry says "i386" |
| 09:31.02 | wols | and you haven't answered my question |
| 09:31.06 | cast | wols: that was just a last ditch attempt... |
| 09:31.15 | cast | wols: if it helps,. ignore those two lines. |
| 09:31.53 | Tex-Twil | lazyfrosch, I dint have the /etc/init.d/sshd script |
| 09:31.56 | Tex-Twil | only /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 09:32.05 | et | did anyone encounter "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." when running grub-install? Lots of hits on google for that, but none of them are helpful - /boot is mounted, the file is there, it's a fresh install of grub, so no configuration files around ... i'm suspecting lvm is the culprit, but I can't put my finger on it |
| 09:32.05 | Tex-Twil | and this works if I start it |
| 09:32.12 | lazyfrosch | Tex-Twil: that why i said -d :-) |
| 09:32.16 | cast | wols: to answer your question, i have tried, and had no success |
| 09:32.33 | KleinerHa1 | Hey, any website out there which shows the number of entries in the different google-domains? |
| 09:32.59 | Nibbler | ?? |
| 09:33.04 | wols | Tex-Twil: there is a /etc/init.d/ssh in debian |
| 09:33.12 | cast | wols: thats using the packages in amd64, the brother hl driver, i had one shot at using that brother hl 2030 driver instead. which was available for i386 only from their website, which failed to install so i didn't bother trying that |
| 09:33.26 | Tex-Twil | wols, yes, I have this one |
| 09:33.41 | thi2 | any1 remeber how to delete route rutin? |
| 09:33.42 | wols | Tex-Twil: then run it as lazyfrosch told you |
| 09:33.55 | dustybin | i have created some LVM logical volumes, but i would like one of the logical volumes to use the rest of the remaining disk space, how can one do that? |
| 09:34.11 | wols | thi2: route del |
| 09:34.26 | dustybin | i created the logical volumes with this command: lvcreate -n test --size 1g skx-vol |
| 09:34.45 | Tex-Twil | wols, lazyfrosch, I can start the ssh via the command line (/etc/init.d/ssh start) |
| 09:34.47 | lazyfrosch | Tex-Twil: so it starts when ran manually, but not from init? |
| 09:34.49 | tralala | dustybin, I would do that by reading the manual |
| 09:34.51 | wols | et: does /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 |
| 09:34.52 | cast | i think i'll just print from a 32bit laptop instead :> ive tried setting up printing on this box with this printer about 2 or 3 times, with no luck |
| 09:34.54 | Tex-Twil | lazyfrosch, yes |
| 09:34.54 | wols | exist? |
| 09:35.04 | lazyfrosch | Tex-Twil: strange |
| 09:35.12 | lazyfrosch | Tex-Twil: any output off ssh on console? |
| 09:35.18 | dustybin | tralala: im dyslexic, reading manuals isnt my forte |
| 09:35.19 | Tex-Twil | nope |
| 09:35.58 | wols | dustybin: handholding and prechewing isn't ours |
| 09:36.03 | Tex-Twil | lazyfrosch, since yesterday, I have the same problem with "autofs" and "nis" services Manually starts fine but run level links dont start them |
| 09:36.03 | tralala | dustybin, yet you've got no proble reading on irc? |
| 09:36.06 | dustybin | :P |
| 09:36.14 | dustybin | hides |
| 09:36.18 | et | wols: will check when i have access to that machine again, does it try to copy that file? |
| 09:36.29 | wols | et: normally yes |
| 09:36.42 | wols | it also needs to modify it |
| 09:37.42 | lazyfrosch | Tex-Twil: and you are booting runlvl 2? ;-) |
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| 09:38.35 | Tex-Twil | I dont know :) Im just booting my Debian as usual |
| 09:38.39 | [sh0t] | http://rafb.net/p/92IkJf18.html |
| 09:38.48 | kahless | hi all², i have some problems installing a kernel on a server of mine. it says "linux-image-2.6-486 depends on linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" but "Paket linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 isn't configured yet" (german translation ;) ), but it doesnt work |
| 09:38.50 | tralala | Tex-Twil, what does "runlevel" say? |
| 09:38.55 | [sh0t] | i'm trying to burning an iso dvd image but i get this |
| 09:39.05 | [sh0t] | http://rafb.net/p/92IkJf18.html |
| 09:39.42 | Tex-Twil | tralala, N 2 |
| 09:39.51 | tralala | [sh0t], bad disc? Try again. |
| 09:40.36 | tralala | Tex-Twil, what version of debian do you have? |
| 09:40.50 | [sh0t] | no...i tried...it's the same |
| 09:40.52 | Tex-Twil | tralala, Etch |
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| 09:41.29 | [sh0t] | sh0t@phoenix:~/.aMule/Incoming/files$ lsb_release -a |
| 09:41.29 | [sh0t] | No LSB modules are available. |
| 09:41.29 | [sh0t] | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 09:41.29 | [sh0t] | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch) |
| 09:41.29 | [sh0t] | Release: 4.0 |
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| 09:41.41 | [sh0t] | ;) |
| 09:41.44 | [sh0t] | sorry |
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| 09:42.05 | [sh0t] | i've debian etch |
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| 09:42.15 | [sh0t] | 4.0 |
| 09:42.32 | [sh0t] | kernel 2.6.26.5 |
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| 09:43.39 | tralala | [sh0t], did you try a disc from a different manufacturer? |
| 09:44.05 | [sh0t] | yes i'did... |
| 09:44.10 | tralala | you should also try burning at a lower speed |
| 09:44.29 | [sh0t] | ok |
| 09:45.04 | tralala | Tex-Twil, what's the md5sum of your /etc/init.d/ssh? |
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| 09:45.44 | Tex-Twil | tralala, 4728def2e1436bfa5fbf6dafc5f4cb30 |
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| 09:46.20 | tralala | Tex-Twil, and /etc/default/ssh? |
| 09:46.20 | [sh0t] | is it possible that depends on an hardware problem? |
| 09:46.50 | Tex-Twil | tralala, 500e3cf069fe9a7b9936108eb9d9c035 |
| 09:46.51 | [sh0t] | i have just tried with -speed=2 |
| 09:46.54 | tralala | [sh0t], the burner could be worn out I suppose |
| 09:47.25 | tralala | Tex-Twil, and you're sure it's not starting on boot? |
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| 09:47.38 | [sh0t] | maybe... |
| 09:48.07 | Tex-Twil | tralala, yes. |
| 09:48.31 | Tex-Twil | as I said, it is the same for "nis" and "autofs" services since some days .. |
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| 09:49.22 | tralala | Tex-Twil, watching the boot log is there anything about ssh? |
| 09:49.56 | wols | [sh0t]: use adebian kernel |
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| 09:50.19 | Tex-Twil | tralala, is the boot log stored in a file somewhere ? |
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| 09:50.25 | wols | !bootlog |
| 09:50.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 09:50.37 | [sh0t] | so...i should recompile the kernel in debian way...? |
| 09:50.51 | wols | [sh0t]: no.you should use a debian kernel |
| 09:51.09 | tralala | Tex-Twil, it could be, but mine doesn't show the starting of the services, so I guess you'd have to reboot to see it. |
| 09:51.20 | Tex-Twil | ok I #ll try to reboot |
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| 09:53.39 | [sh0t] | wols: what is the difference between a normal kernel and a debian kernel....and how can i get a debian kernel? |
| 09:54.24 | wols | [sh0t]: you get a debian kernel witu aptitude from the debian repos |
| 09:54.36 | wols | and the difference is a proper kernel config |
| 09:54.53 | wols | [sh0t]: any special reason you use a custom kernel? |
| 09:55.00 | [sh0t] | so i can't configure the kernel? |
| 09:55.09 | [sh0t] | no there isn't a special reason |
| 09:55.29 | [sh0t] | i just don't want an heavy kernel |
| 09:55.53 | wols | then you have no reason |
| 09:56.17 | tralala | [sh0t], debian kernels ain't "heavy" |
| 09:56.30 | [sh0t] | ok ok... |
| 09:56.39 | [sh0t] | i'm apt-getting.. the kernel |
| 09:56.42 | [sh0t] | ;) |
| 09:56.53 | [sh0t] | 2.6.26... |
| 09:57.10 | wols | [sh0t]: there is no 2.6.26 in etch |
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| 09:57.37 | wols | [sh0t]: if you mix sid and etch we can't and won't help you |
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| 09:57.55 | [sh0t] | so.. |
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| 09:58.07 | [sh0t] | what kernel source ? |
| 09:58.18 | [sh0t] | 2.6.? |
| 09:58.25 | tralala | [sh0t], you can get 2.6.24 from etchnhalf |
| 09:58.29 | [sh0t] | ok |
| 09:58.34 | wols | why do you want kernel sources? |
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| 09:59.15 | [sh0t] | i don't need them...to compile the kernel? |
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| 09:59.37 | [sh0t] | or i don't need to compile the kernel |
| 09:59.38 | wols | you don't compile the kernel |
| 09:59.40 | [sh0t] | ok |
| 09:59.51 | wols | you get a kernel image and be done with ir |
| 10:00.04 | wols | unless you have a real reason to compile your own |
| 10:00.29 | lazyfrosch | and if you need a newer kernel there is backports... |
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| 10:01.03 | robokop | i tried to switch to grub2 and now i get: grub-setup: error: cannot stat /boot/grub/core.img |
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| 10:03.35 | [sh0t] | wols, is it ok linux-image-2.6.18-6-686? |
| 10:03.45 | Tex-Twil | tralala, well I rebooted, ssh still not running and nothing in the boot log |
| 10:04.06 | wols | [sh0t]: that or 2.6.24 |
| 10:04.15 | Tex-Twil | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m2372ad1c |
| 10:04.18 | tralala | Tex-Twil, it didn't say anything about starting ssh? What about starting other services? |
| 10:04.28 | Tex-Twil | ahh |
| 10:04.32 | Tex-Twil | it did |
| 10:04.39 | Tex-Twil | I just see it in the log file |
| 10:04.40 | wols | Tex-Twil: did ssh try to start? was there output like "staring ssh" on screen? |
| 10:04.42 | nachos | wols: yeah, got it all installed fine, thanks for the help! |
| 10:04.46 | Tex-Twil | "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdPrivilege separation user sshd does not exist" |
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| 10:05.15 | wols | Tex-Twil: getent passwd sshd |
| 10:06.01 | Tex-Twil | wols, sshd:x:71:65:SSH daemon:/var/lib/sshd:/bin/false |
| 10:06.15 | nachos | wols: a question though, did you have any problems with the 'clipboard'? i cant seem to copy-paste... i try cut from XTERM and paste into firefox on my host and its just displaying the stuff that was allready in the hosts clipboard. |
| 10:07.25 | tralala | Tex-Twil, have you edited this? |
| 10:07.26 | aesis | hi, i have some problem with spamassassin...can you help me.. ? |
| 10:07.32 | wols | nachos: didn't use. and I've seen people complaining about it in #vbox. 2.0.0 still has several bugs |
| 10:07.57 | wols | Tex-Twil: what debian version is this? |
| 10:08.10 | wols | !tell aesis about ask |
| 10:08.24 | Tex-Twil | tralala, no I havent |
| 10:08.28 | Tex-Twil | wols, Etch |
| 10:08.41 | wols | Tex-Twil: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 10:09.16 | Tex-Twil | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 10:10.48 | wols | Tex-Twil: this is not etch |
| 10:11.15 | wols | it's not even acurrent testing or unstable IIRC |
| 10:11.27 | [sh0t] | wols, when i downloaded the image have i to edit menu.lst (i use grub)? |
| 10:11.41 | tralala | Tex-Twil, have you mixed branches? |
| 10:11.43 | wols | [sh0t]: no. by default update-grub is run |
| 10:11.54 | [sh0t] | ok tnks |
| 10:12.13 | Tex-Twil | tralala, you mean the repository sources ? |
| 10:12.22 | wols | Tex-Twil: do a full dist-upgrade to lenny |
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| 10:12.30 | aesis | i have problem with spamassassin |
| 10:12.40 | wols | Tex-Twil: at one point in thep ast you installed packages from lenny or sid |
| 10:12.47 | tralala | Tex-Twil, not only sources but also installing stuff from other branches. |
| 10:12.48 | Wesley | what is the best way to change my NIC speed to 1000? |
| 10:13.04 | wols | aesis: foremost oyu have a problem actually describing your problem with SA |
| 10:13.13 | wols | Wesley: ethtool perhaps |
| 10:13.24 | Wesley | ahh yes that was the name |
| 10:13.30 | Wesley | thx! |
| 10:13.40 | Tex-Twil | hmmm, it might be possible that my sources.list is not very correct :) |
| 10:13.41 | aesis | wols: this my log warn: config: cannot write to /nonexistent/.spamassassin/user_prefs: No such file or directory |
| 10:14.28 | wols | aesis: how did you install SA and from where? |
| 10:14.43 | [sh0t] | wols, update-grub is going to overwrite the old menu.lst or it just append entries to this file? |
| 10:14.52 | Tex-Twil | ok nevermind, I think that I should do a clean installation of the system anyway |
| 10:14.58 | Tex-Twil | thx for your help |
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| 10:15.28 | wols | [sh0t]: it will rewrite your kernel list that's all. provided you used your menu.lst properly in thepast.which you might not have |
| 10:15.40 | aesis | wols: apt-get install spamassassin...from deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 10:16.09 | wols | aesis: then it seems you misconfigured it |
| 10:16.52 | aesis | wols: my /etc/default/spamassassin OPTIONS="--max-children 5 --helper-home-dir -x -D -u test" |
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| 10:17.05 | Dark_Titan | I'm getting this on Debian when I try and install anope |
| 10:17.07 | Dark_Titan | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbsd |
| 10:17.30 | aesis | wols: i run daemons with user test that exists in my linux users |
| 10:18.19 | [sh0t] | ok i reboot |
| 10:18.45 | wols | !tell Dark_Titan about search |
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| 10:19.13 | aesis | wols: warn: config: failed to create default user preference file /nonexistent/.spamassassin/user_prefs on my log but i started daemons with -x !!! |
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| 10:20.13 | wols | aesis: I don't know what you miscofigured, but something you did.sorry I can't help you |
| 10:20.29 | wols | imho it looks like a default path cause you forgot to set one where one was needed |
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| 10:20.36 | buzizk | hey |
| 10:20.47 | robokop | grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/hdc5. Check your device.map. |
| 10:20.55 | aesis | anyone can help me ? |
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| 10:21.05 | wols | robokop: the error message tells you what to do |
| 10:21.12 | aesis | wols: thanks |
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| 10:21.26 | buzizk | i've a hard drive i can mount manually but when i try to load it as the system hd i get a "read only" error and it can't load (can't clean /var/run etc.) what could be the error? |
| 10:21.37 | robokop | wols: my device.map says (hd0) /dev/hdc |
| 10:22.12 | thi2 | buzizk: check fstab |
| 10:22.20 | wols | robokop: how many hdds in your system? |
| 10:22.30 | robokop | wols: 1 |
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| 10:22.36 | wols | buzizk: what is a "system hd"? |
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| 10:23.07 | buzizk | one with linux on it and grub on it's MBR |
| 10:23.27 | [sh0t] | wols, nothing... i got the same error with the 2.6.24 |
| 10:23.33 | buzizk | i get the grub menu and linux starts, it gets to starting kernel log and stops (after many errors) |
| 10:23.39 | aesis | wols: i can update only spamassassin with apt-get ? |
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| 10:24.30 | buzizk | and fsck says the disk is fine btw |
| 10:24.32 | Martiini | i cannot install debian with livecd .. how do I execute the installer on debian livecd .. I tried live-installer on cmd .. but no luck ?? |
| 10:25.13 | wols | aesis: apt-get install <package" |
| 10:25.16 | tralala | Martiini, there's info on the wiki |
| 10:25.18 | wols | !tell aesis about volatile |
| 10:25.31 | wols | [sh0t]: WHAT error? |
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| 10:26.03 | wols | Martiini: you install debian with a install CD. not a live CD |
| 10:26.12 | tralala | the burinig error supposedly |
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| 10:26.28 | tralala | [sh0t], how old is the drive? |
| 10:26.30 | buzizk | anyone? |
| 10:26.35 | Martiini | wols: can u install debian with livecd |
| 10:26.37 | buzizk | i tried everythingon google |
| 10:26.51 | wols | [sh0t]: tried the drive under another OS? |
| 10:27.06 | [sh0t] | I don't think this is the problem because with other distro it works... |
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| 10:27.47 | [sh0t] | wols, http://rafb.net/p/0ycqRN82.html |
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| 10:29.33 | buzizk | HELpP |
| 10:29.49 | aesis | wols: thanks but my SA is last release |
| 10:30.48 | wols | [sh0t]: does it always fail at the same place? |
| 10:31.08 | jescis | Is firefox3 going to be in Debian lenny? or is iceweasel going to be the only available browser? |
| 10:31.16 | [sh0t] | wols: yes |
| 10:31.36 | buzizk | i guess no one has any idea about my problem? |
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| 10:33.23 | buzizk | <thi2> buzizk: check fstab |
| 10:33.41 | buzizk | thi2 already did, im using the exact same files as on a working hd (same setup) |
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| 10:37.48 | buzizk | anyone? |
| 10:39.24 | wols | [sh0t]: it soudns like hardware failure to me then |
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| 10:39.46 | [sh0t] | i think so too |
| 10:40.03 | wols | buzizk: what are the exact errors? first error? |
| 10:40.16 | wij32 | hey, i messed up config files for asterisk, so i rmed them, and when i do apt-get install asterisk, their not being replaced. can i force this? |
| 10:40.23 | buzizk | wols how can i scroll through it? |
| 10:40.31 | wols | buzizk: you can't |
| 10:40.47 | wols | !tell wij32 about confmiss |
| 10:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | buzizk, fsck doesn't check for physical errors |
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| 10:41.26 | buzizk | CutMeOwnThroat its a brand new hd |
| 10:41.34 | buzizk | and when i mount it on another system its all fine |
| 10:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you had even a small error where the kernel is... |
| 10:42.12 | buzizk | no |
| 10:42.15 | wij32 | hmmm |
| 10:42.25 | buzizk | im getting errors when its trying to clean up /var/run |
| 10:42.35 | buzizk | and i can do it when its mounted on another system |
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| 10:42.51 | wij32 | wols: doesnt seem to replace anything |
| 10:43.06 | buzizk | CutMeOwnThroat im getting a "permission error: read only something" and i can delete it from the other installation |
| 10:43.20 | kularek | hello |
| 10:43.21 | wols | wij32: but it is your problem and the solution |
| 10:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | read only something. |
| 10:43.33 | buzizk | read only file system that is |
| 10:43.35 | wols | buzizk: exact error |
| 10:43.45 | buzizk | "read only file system" |
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| 10:44.21 | wols | buzizk: what are yur kernel parameters? and your fstab content? |
| 10:44.23 | binrapt | Are there any mainstream servers which use virtual users ONLY by default? |
| 10:44.37 | binrapt | Err FTP servers* that is |
| 10:44.41 | buzizk | wols: they are the same as a working system's |
| 10:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | buzizk, that only means that the disk was mounted read only |
| 10:44.51 | buzizk | CutMeOwnThroat and it wasn't |
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| 10:44.59 | buzizk | not intentionally |
| 10:45.01 | kularek | what i need set on my firewall to have posiibility that my computers on LAN will have access to the networks on my linux server with openvpn tuneling ? |
| 10:45.02 | wols | buzizk: that is no answer. we are no psychics |
| 10:45.03 | Martiini | debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop.iso does not fit on 700mb cd |
| 10:45.08 | buzizk | and im trying to figure out why |
| 10:45.21 | buzizk | wols let me try and copy it from the opther box |
| 10:45.44 | wols | buzizk: the other box has no problems. it's worthless what's on that other box |
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| 10:45.58 | buzizk | wols: the "bad" HD is attached to it... |
| 10:45.59 | kularek | so i have access from my server to computers on right side on my vpn but my users from LAN dont |
| 10:46.09 | wols | buzizk: but it has no problems. |
| 10:46.25 | buzizk | yes it does, when im trying to boot from it |
| 10:46.29 | wij32 | wols: sorted, thanks |
| 10:46.34 | buzizk | im booting from another HD |
| 10:46.49 | wols | buzizk: you can't do what I ask you. solve your own problems. goodbye |
| 10:47.10 | wols | rather: not willing to |
| 10:47.11 | buzizk | wols: are you mentally challanged? im telling you im getting the fscking file |
| 10:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, removing the package with --purge and reinstalling it would also fix missing conf-files, though, right? |
| 10:47.29 | wols | buzizk: please stop talking to me. goodbye |
| 10:47.32 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 10:47.42 | buzizk | wols: your moma sucks |
| 10:47.51 | Martiini | what is the point in making debian livecd when it doesnt fit on a standard 700mb cd |
| 10:48.10 | wols | Martiini: debian live cd is still a beta. bugs are to be expected |
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| 10:48.35 | kularek | its look thath LAN----SNAT->server1-----eth0---{internet}--VPN---server2 so so from server1 i have access to server 2 but from LAN not |
| 10:48.51 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: tho sometimes this is non obviousy. e.g. apache config files are part of apache2.2-common not apache2 |
| 10:49.11 | buzizk | CutMeOwnThroat: http://rafb.net/p/VeEEWK55.html |
| 10:49.14 | buzizk | this is the fstab |
| 10:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols is my brother |
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| 10:51.36 | buzizk | wow so your mom sucks too? |
| 10:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... and I inherited from me dad to beat up the guys who insult me mum :-P |
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| 10:52.31 | buzizk | bring it on! p: |
| 10:52.57 | amol | hi to all ,i am getting error as tftp> Error code 1: file not found |
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| 10:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | already did... I wrecked your disk with my psychic abilities |
| 10:54.32 | buzizk | lol |
| 10:54.39 | buzizk | the disk is fine |
| 10:54.54 | buzizk | you psychic abilities doesn't work |
| 10:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's part of it... will take you weeks to figure it aint |
| 10:55.17 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: keep on topic. if you don't like to help him, ignore him please |
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| 10:57.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, why not - any idea why xpdf would care to block my sound device by using it? |
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| 10:58.15 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: some evil sound daemon? tho it really shouldn't do this. makes no sense |
| 10:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 10:58.55 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: is it directly opening /dev/snd (check with lsof or fuser) |
| 10:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | amarok couldn't play music because the alsa sound device was apparently blocked - I looked which process blocked it and killed it and now it plays again. The question is- how can this it be this process: xpdf /tmp/TOCSY2.pdf |
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| 10:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it had /dev/snd/something opened directly (which is how I found the process) |
| 11:00.13 | v | screen resolution is not coming properly for HP Compaq 6720s laptop |
| 11:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's more of a riddle than a problem... |
| 11:00.20 | wols | can pdfs contain sound? |
| 11:00.27 | fdv_ | amarok do not undestanding tags with CP1251 codepage |
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| 11:00.49 | fdv_ | and some other |
| 11:01.28 | linostar | wols, yes pdf files can contain embedded sound files |
| 11:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just mentioned it because it was so dangned weird... |
| 11:01.40 | fdv_ | and amarok do not have recoder from " " to UTF |
| 11:01.55 | fdv_ | good recoder |
| 11:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but the same document doesn't do it again |
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| 11:03.45 | sysadmin-lb22 | how can I send a command to the background but keep it runin apart from using & |
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| 11:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysadmin-lb22, type ctrl-Z in the shell, then "bg<return>" |
| 11:04.33 | sysadmin-lb22 | CutMeOwnThroat, I want to keep it running in the background |
| 11:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysadmin-lb22, yes? |
| 11:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysadmin-lb22, ctrl-z stops it when it's running in the foreground, "bg" makes it run in the background |
| 11:05.14 | sysadmin-lb22 | CutMeOwnThroat, using & it stops working |
| 11:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysadmin-lb22, *sigh* so why didn't you say that right away? |
| 11:05.43 | trifler | use screen |
| 11:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sysadmin-lb22, that is most probablye because it requests input... |
| 11:06.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, either use screen, or... |
| 11:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | wossname |
| 11:07.09 | buzizk | im running `mount -a` in recovery mode and `mount` shows that /dev/hda1 is mounted as reiserfs while its ext3. how's that possible? |
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| 11:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess redirecting input should also work like in program </some/file (if you need input, it should be in file) |
| 11:07.46 | sep | are you SURE it's ext3 ? |
| 11:08.28 | buzizk | sep yeah |
| 11:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | is amazed at his own psychic powers |
| 11:08.39 | buzizk | slaps CutMeOwnThroat around a bit with a large trout |
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| 11:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ...and misses |
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| 11:09.48 | buzizk | the air while hitting CutMeOwnThroat's face with a massive blow |
| 11:10.59 | buzizk | !mtab |
| 11:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ...suggests his vivid imagination, while reality is... different |
| 11:10.59 | dpkg | mtab is probably /etc/mtab is the file that shows those partitions that are currently mounted. Never edit this file. |
| 11:11.16 | buzizk | bah |
| 11:11.47 | buzizk | sep: http://rafb.net/p/VeEEWK55.html this is fstab while mtab shows its reiserfs! wtf! :x |
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| 11:13.03 | buzizk | wait could it be the notail option? |
| 11:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | buzizk, file |
| 11:14.06 | buzizk | what? |
| 11:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | file |
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| 11:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, or not |
| 11:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | file -s /dev/sda1 |
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| 11:18.29 | v | screen resolution is not coming properly for HP Compaq 6720s laptop |
| 11:18.52 | v | what to do .. how to set the resolutuion please |
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| 11:20.08 | Milchmann- | d |
| 11:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | v what resolution should it be |
| 11:20.54 | buzizk | lol |
| 11:21.02 | buzizk | CutMeOwnThroat ext3 + notail = reiserfs! |
| 11:21.50 | wols | buzizk: file -s the partit5ion |
| 11:21.52 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, i searched in google it is showing the resolution may be 1280x800 |
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| 11:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | v have a look at the videogen package (apt-cache show videogen) |
| 11:22.10 | wols | v: what videocard, what does your Xorg.0.log say? |
| 11:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, 6:22 in the morning... |
| 11:22.28 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, vesa |
| 11:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps time to go to bed |
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| 11:23.10 | wols | v: vesa is the reason you don't get 1280x800. again: what videocard? |
| 11:23.12 | loveyou | is searching for PriitM + goatsex on yahoo. WEEE 100 hits! |
| 11:23.42 | wols | buzizk: what does "file" say? |
| 11:23.42 | v | wols, if i select other card it is not entering |
| 11:23.56 | wols | v: answer me! |
| 11:24.00 | buzizk | wols: it works now |
| 11:24.08 | buzizk | i changed the notail to defaults and it works |
| 11:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | wft is notail |
| 11:24.50 | buzizk | the problem was i gave it "ext3" with a reiserfs option and it tried to mount it as reiserfs which just happened to be ro (how's this possible?) |
| 11:24.56 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: a reisefs option |
| 11:25.26 | wols | v: well? what videocard is it? |
| 11:25.36 | v | vesa |
| 11:25.42 | v | wols, vesa only |
| 11:25.43 | wols | vesa is no videocard |
| 11:25.56 | wols | what videocard has your hardware? |
| 11:25.57 | sep | buzizk, there is a reason nobody (that cares) uses reiserfs :) |
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| 11:26.32 | lazyfrosch | i heard there will we a new ReiserFS version, "Jail Edition" xD |
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| 11:26.49 | v | wols, lspci showing --- Intel corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 |
| 11:27.10 | v | wols, how to find the video card |
| 11:27.13 | Battosai | I'll think about it |
| 11:27.20 | wols | v: that is the videocard |
| 11:27.30 | buzizk | sep: yeah well i was moving a system from one disk to another. the original had rFS the new one (i partitioned) had ext3 |
| 11:27.37 | buzizk | so that's not my fault :P |
| 11:27.38 | wols | "intel" or "i810" should work just fine on this chip |
| 11:27.40 | v | wols, then what to do |
| 11:27.42 | buzizk | i just copied the whole data lol |
| 11:27.56 | buzizk | lazyfrosch jail? i dontget it :s |
| 11:28.01 | v | wols, ok |
| 11:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be an intel i810ish chipset for v |
| 11:28.10 | wols | pastebin your xorg.conf and your Xorg.0.log |
| 11:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
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| 11:28.17 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: not might, is |
| 11:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | took me longer to guess than to him to find out :) |
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| 11:28.33 | sep | buzizk, you did it= your fault :) |
| 11:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, was looking up the laptop and didn't read |
| 11:28.49 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, what i have to do now |
| 11:28.58 | buzizk | sep no. i mean its wasn't my fault the original disk was on rFS |
| 11:29.05 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, shall i have to edit xorg.conf file |
| 11:29.21 | lazyfrosch | buzizk: well I think you should have heard about the recent history of Mr. Reiser... |
| 11:29.53 | buzizk | shouldn't the logical fail when having ext3+notail be ext3+defaults instead of reiserfs+ro,notail ? |
| 11:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | v, try and install 915resolution |
| 11:30.10 | buzizk | lazyfrosch: or, right lol he murdered his wife or something right? |
| 11:30.11 | v | wols, what resolution i have to give now |
| 11:30.41 | lazyfrosch | buzizk: yep, and he is planning to continue programming from jail :-) so a new version might come up :-) |
| 11:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | v, read what "apt-cache show 915resolution" tells you first |
| 11:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | lazyfrosch, perhaps good for productivity... long lonely evenings to fill... |
| 11:31.48 | lazyfrosch | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe xD |
| 11:31.52 | buzizk | lazyfrosch i hope no one would use it lol |
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| 11:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | lazyfrosch, except, possibly for that exceptionally male roommate... oh well |
| 11:32.10 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, its a pckage only |
| 11:32.26 | lazyfrosch | CutMeOwnThroat: xD |
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| 11:33.24 | buzizk | so don't you agree the logical fail when having ext3+notail be ext3+defaults instead of reiserfs+ro,notail ? |
| 11:33.39 | buzizk | i should report that to the kernel guys ftw! |
| 11:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | v yes - and you have to switch to an i810 driver for your graphics card first |
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| 11:35.12 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, ya i edited the xorg.conf file , changed the driver vesa to i810 |
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| 11:35.31 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, it not going inside |
| 11:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 11:36.34 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, /dev/agpgart no such file |
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| 11:36.56 | v | DRIscreenInit failed |
| 11:37.03 | buzizk | thats what you see when trying to save the xorg.conf? |
| 11:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | modprobe i810 |
| 11:37.04 | buzizk | bbl |
| 11:37.05 | tarzeau | a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz would be Pentium 4 or AMD K8 ? |
| 11:37.05 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, DRIscreenInit failed |
| 11:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 11:37.17 | MiLi-ST | hello all |
| 11:37.26 | v | CutMeOwnThroat,[drm] drmopen failed |
| 11:37.27 | buzizk | tarzeau what do you mean? :s |
| 11:37.33 | MiLi-ST | hey |
| 11:37.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: either i386 or amd64 |
| 11:37.41 | tarzeau | buzizk: it's an intel, so it should be a p4 kernel |
| 11:37.50 | MiLi-ST | who can help mee ? |
| 11:37.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i686 rather |
| 11:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | v, modprobe i810 |
| 11:38.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: then .. -686 or -amd64 .. whichever kernel you choose |
| 11:38.07 | simonrvn | !tell MiLi-ST -about ask |
| 11:38.10 | buzizk | tar so what was the problem? |
| 11:38.16 | MiLi-ST | buzisk |
| 11:38.20 | MiLi-ST | about CHAT |
| 11:38.42 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, ya did |
| 11:38.42 | buzizk | amd64 is what intel used for most 64 bit processors :s |
| 11:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | v, or modprobe i915 (both are for intel video cards, not sure which is for yours) |
| 11:38.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: unless you're compiling your own, you want the debian -686 or -amd64 .. depends if you want a 32bit or 64bit kernel |
| 11:38.54 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 11:38.54 | buzizk | tarzeau amd64 is what intel used for most 64 bit processors |
| 11:39.02 | MiLi-ST | i want created own chat for my website ? |
| 11:39.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes thanks |
| 11:39.05 | MiLi-ST | free |
| 11:39.12 | buzizk | used=uses |
| 11:39.14 | tarzeau | buzizk: i know, thanks |
| 11:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | v, you can probably see if the card was found when you type dmesg |
| 11:39.34 | tarzeau | i just was surprised my k8 kernel worked on the intel quad core machine |
| 11:39.39 | MiLi-ST | where i create code for applet chat |
| 11:39.41 | MiLi-ST | ? |
| 11:39.48 | wols | v: do you run etch? if so "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 11:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | is "$argv" the correct way for passing arguments from a wrapper to a program? |
| 11:40.13 | v | wols, ya |
| 11:40.16 | v | did |
| 11:40.23 | wols | v: then do what I told you |
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| 11:44.56 | Casperin | I'm trying to get my thinkpad on wireless network. It's a really basic installation, so I have basically nothing installed. I apt-get'ed wireless-tools, but I'm not sure where I go from here. |
| 11:45.11 | Casperin | Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 11:45.19 | buzizk | tarzeau k8 is simliar to the x86 arch afaik |
| 11:45.25 | buzizk | nearly identical |
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| 11:46.54 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:47.14 | abrotman | Casperin: lspci .. what's the wifi card? |
| 11:47.17 | stew | except for the double as many bits and all the extra instructions |
| 11:47.23 | v | wols, if i select the driver as vesa then only the gdm is starting otherwise it is not |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | Casperin: and uname -a |
| 11:48.23 | v | CutMeOwnThroat, , if i select the driver as vesa then only the gdm is starting otherwise it is not |
| 11:48.28 | wols | v: then pastebin your Xorg.0.log when it's not starting |
| 11:48.48 | v | wols, ok |
| 11:48.49 | Casperin | abrotman, uname -a: Linux Debian 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:49.00 | Casperin | abrotman, can't find the wifi in the list =/ |
| 11:49.05 | v | wols, which driver shall i make "i810" |
| 11:49.11 | wols | v: yes |
| 11:49.14 | v | wols, i810 ok |
| 11:49.17 | v | ok |
| 11:49.19 | Casperin | abrotman, Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 11:49.20 | Casperin | found it :) |
| 11:49.33 | wols | !tell Casperin about iwlwifi |
| 11:50.00 | Casperin | tactics |
| 11:50.02 | buzizk | whats iwl? |
| 11:50.18 | stew | buzizk: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
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| 11:51.21 | Casperin | abrotman, wols, thanks.. I'll be back in 5 hours when I figured all this out :P |
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| 11:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, is some channel for csh/tcsh? |
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| 11:58.37 | v | wols, refer http://pastebin.com/m34620b8f |
| 11:58.44 | kibibyte | v? |
| 11:58.56 | kibibyte | what a stupid nick |
| 11:59.00 | kibibyte | ahahah |
| 11:59.16 | buzizk | wow, kibibyte. brilliant |
| 11:59.17 | v | kibibyte, whats your problem |
| 11:59.25 | kibibyte | :d |
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| 12:03.01 | Casperin | I installed firmwire-iwlwifi and modprobed, but it still doesn't recognize iface =/ |
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| 12:03.29 | v | wols, gone through the page |
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| 12:08.58 | wols | v: lsmod |grep i810 |
| 12:10.33 | v | wols, yeah it showing |
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| 12:13.56 | snitko | How can I set PATH var for sudo? exporting it in /etc/profile only affects other users, not the root |
| 12:14.36 | cast | use full paths in sudoers |
| 12:14.41 | cast | if you mean, when you go sudo bash |
| 12:14.45 | abrotman | Casperin: you have to remove the module after getting the firmware |
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| 12:14.49 | abrotman | Casperin: then remodprobe |
| 12:14.51 | cast | edit roots bash startup files |
| 12:14.57 | abrotman | Casperin: might be easier to uh .. reboot |
| 12:15.17 | Casperin | oh |
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| 12:15.33 | Casperin | okay.. I'll reboot. brb then :) |
| 12:16.56 | v | wols, what to do next .. waiting |
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| 12:19.54 | Casperin | abrotman, rebooted, but as far as I can tell, everything is the same |
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| 12:23.59 | abrotman | Casperin: look in dmesg for some hints |
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| 12:26.48 | v | wols, are there |
| 12:26.53 | v | wols, are you there |
| 12:28.00 | Casperin | abrotman, found this: iwl4965: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN |
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| 12:28.27 | liable | and does it show a firmware -2 message? |
| 12:28.34 | Casperin | and this: iwl4965: Tunable channels: 13 802.11bg, 19 802.11a channels |
| 12:28.47 | Casperin | where? |
| 12:29.04 | liable | Casperin: put the dmesg on a paste site |
| 12:29.40 | Casperin | how do take the output and put in jed? |
| 12:30.06 | jelly | v: have you pastebinned your /etc/X11/xorg.conf already? |
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| 12:32.16 | v | jelly, yeah |
| 12:32.44 | jelly | v: url? Your nick makes it hard to search the backlog |
| 12:33.20 | abrotman | Casperin: you can paste the whole file in a pastebin |
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| 12:33.34 | v | jelly, shall i change the nick name |
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| 12:34.17 | jelly | v: also, pastebin "COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-i810 xserver-xorg-video-intel libc6" |
| 12:34.41 | Casperin | http://pastesite.com/2044 |
| 12:34.56 | jelly | ganu: that will make it easier to look up whatever you say from now on, thanks |
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| 12:35.38 | Casperin | abrotman, almost 600 lines o__O ... Is it me, or did that get significantly bigger than it used to be? |
| 12:36.07 | abrotman | Casperin: you got cooler hardware! |
| 12:36.45 | Casperin | than what? |
| 12:36.46 | ganu | jelly, what about my xorg.log file |
| 12:36.48 | Casperin | heh |
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| 12:37.44 | liable | Casperin: looks fine, whats your ifconfig -a output say? |
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| 12:38.15 | kularek | Hello |
| 12:38.23 | Casperin | liable, oooh.. got a wlan0 and wmaster0 now :) |
| 12:38.33 | jelly | ganu: I'd like to see the versions of software used before jumping to any conclusions. One thing though, you seem to be running a weird kernel not available in etch by default (you might have gotten in from backports.org) |
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| 12:39.01 | jelly | Current Operating System: Linux debian 2.6.22-3-486 #1 Tue Dec 4 10:54:56 IST 2007 i686 |
| 12:39.05 | liable | Casperin: good, bring it up, configure it and be happy :) |
| 12:39.06 | kularek | How can i set (using iptables) access to my services on my LAN using external IP ? |
| 12:39.21 | Casperin | thing is I am using ion, so it doesn't really have a panel for that |
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| 12:39.38 | ganu | jelly, i have taken it from lenny |
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| 12:43.11 | mooper | can I use a bit of regex with kill to kill a load of processes with a similar ID |
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| 12:44.42 | skanky | hello, how can I import the kernel config file from a .deb kernel file? http://free.nchc.org.tw/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.24/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.4_i386.deb. |
| 12:44.58 | skanky | I want to compile my kernel according to that kernel |
| 12:45.20 | Casperin | eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 12:45.23 | Casperin | fantastic :( |
| 12:45.41 | jelly | skanky: unpack the package somewhere (dpkg --extract foo.deb somedir/) and get ./boot/config-* file out of it |
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| 12:46.38 | fietz | hi |
| 12:46.46 | liable | Casperin: wlan0 |
| 12:46.51 | fietz | how to find out if a shared library is missing another lib? |
| 12:47.26 | skanky | jelly, thank you! |
| 12:47.55 | Casperin | liable, doesn't allow scanning either because it's down |
| 12:48.11 | Casperin | and I can't ifup wlan0 |
| 12:48.16 | liable | Casperin: so bring it up.... ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 12:48.25 | jelly | fietz: run ldd on it? |
| 12:48.46 | liable | Casperin: ifup only works for interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:48.48 | Casperin | ah! thanks :) |
| 12:49.08 | Casperin | okay.. so.. that's for later.. the scan worked now :) |
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| 12:49.57 | Casperin | 4 networks, but none without network encryption :( ... I need to spread some hippie ideals around here :P |
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| 12:50.34 | fietz | jelly: thanks |
| 12:50.43 | liable | or get your own ap.. |
| 12:50.47 | Casperin | liable, abrotman, thanks a lot :) |
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| 12:52.34 | Casperin | one more question.. is the "mac address" something that looks like 00:15:E9:0C:18:D8 ? |
| 12:52.50 | liable | yes |
| 12:52.50 | HawkeV | yep |
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| 12:53.13 | liable | iwconfig also shows that for the ap mac address |
| 12:54.04 | Casperin | shows nothing now, but I suppose that's because I am not connected |
| 12:54.56 | Casperin | thanks a lot guys.. I really appreciate the help |
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| 13:01.40 | Crypticfortune | hmm, so on one of my systems I have 'APT::Default-Release "etch";' in apt.conf, but adding lenny/sid sources to sources.list makes a few hundred upgrades appear in "aptitude upgrade". what did I do wrong? (my goal is to be able to grab just a few specific packages from lenny/sid on an otherwise etch system) |
| 13:02.04 | HawkeV | you need to pin in preferences |
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| 13:03.01 | jelly | !pinning |
| 13:03.01 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 13:04.22 | Crypticfortune | HawkeV: hmm, i have another system that only has the default-release line and seems to be sticking etch just fine... something's fishy about this one... |
| 13:04.41 | themill | Crypticfortune: the chances of you being able to successfully "grab just a few specific packages from lenny/sid on an otherwise etch system" is pretty minimal. Java packages and *really* simple perl modules are about the only thing that works for. |
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| 13:04.59 | HawkeV | dependancies are a bitch |
| 13:05.15 | HawkeV | you'll likely end up running on a later kernel, and with lenny's libc at a minimum |
| 13:05.29 | themill | HawkeV: that's why there is backports.org |
| 13:05.36 | HawkeV | themill: of course |
| 13:05.47 | HawkeV | i'm not promoting pinning |
| 13:06.06 | Crypticfortune | ya, i'm aware of that, but right now i'm mostly concerned that APT::Default-Release doesn't work how I expected it to... |
| 13:06.08 | themill | Crypticfortune: http://rafb.net/p/7cBr2u32.html is a good start. |
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| 13:07.27 | Crypticfortune | hmm, that serios wiki link from the pinning factoid appears to have died |
| 13:07.28 | OpenTokix | hipodilski: isnt that a part of network config in ubuntu? |
| 13:07.38 | stew | Crypticfortune: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude -s upgrade" |
| 13:07.48 | themill | Crypticfortune: shouldn't default release use "stable" not "etch" anyway? |
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| 13:09.02 | jelly | themill: maybe he wants "etch". |
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| 13:09.31 | stew | jelly: right, but "etch" doesn't work |
| 13:09.50 | themill | jelly: quite a few of these things only work with the temporal name not the release name. apt_preferences(5) only shows temporal names in the examples. |
| 13:09.58 | jelly | stew: another bug in apt? You don't say! |
| 13:09.59 | Crypticfortune | stew: allright http://rafb.net/p/1bfHvU53.html |
| 13:10.06 | stew | jelly: its not considered a bug |
| 13:10.16 | jelly | stew: Right. It's a feature. |
| 13:10.33 | stew | jelly: yes, since "Default-Release" takes a suite name not a codename |
| 13:11.02 | Crypticfortune | themill: we had an incident before with some overzealous sysadmin doing an "apt-get upgrade" when stable changed to etch but before we were actually ready to upgrade. it caused much stress >_<;; |
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| 13:11.17 | jelly | stew: which makes it useless in this situation |
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| 13:11.35 | stew | jelly: why? |
| 13:11.44 | themill | stew: that just runs contrary to the standard advice of using codenames rather than temporal names for setting the release to use. (e.g. using "etch" not "stable" in sources.list) |
| 13:12.25 | jelly | stew: if someone wants to stick to etch on a prod. system, they SHOULD NOT use it |
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| 13:12.47 | themill | the reason for using "etch" not "stable" is that etch->lenny is going to be non-trivial so you don't want it to happen by accident. But with Default-Release set that way, it can happen by accident. |
| 13:13.08 | jelly | (adjust font size, color and blink attributes to liking) |
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| 13:13.32 | themill | Crypticfortune: if you have a sensible sources.list then it's never a problem. |
| 13:13.43 | stew | themill: the general advice is not try to mix stable and testing at all |
| 13:13.53 | kularek | HI - i set VPN (my server is client side and i dont have access to server side) its based on tun device so works like router in this case i have no problem with connection to server side network but i whant to also have access to them not only from gateway where i have set the vpn but also from my LAN |
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| 13:14.04 | jelly | themill: so the users must put etch in sources.list, which isn't really a new idea anyway |
| 13:14.20 | LemensTS | I have rsnapshot on a server doing its backups to a usb drive. Is there any way to back up another computer to the server itself using the ssh backup method? didnt know if it was poss ible because the snapshot_root is already declared as teh usb drive |
| 13:14.20 | stew | jelly: its new for d-i |
| 13:14.25 | themill | jelly: istr the sarge installer putting "stable" in sources.list. |
| 13:14.43 | jelly | themill: yes, I've had my share of fun with that |
| 13:15.01 | stew | !dbugs 407511 |
| 13:15.05 | dpkg | #:I[#407511] ; |
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| 13:15.11 | themill | dpkg: fail |
| 13:15.11 | dpkg | themill: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:15.19 | dustybin | jesus hell, i hit mv * inside a important directory, and now everything is gone |
| 13:15.19 | jelly | dpkg: lies |
| 13:15.20 | dpkg | lies are evil, or as some would put it: "There are three types of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics." |
| 13:15.33 | Crypticfortune | themill: so would you call this sensible? http://rafb.net/p/ZUsUl683.html |
| 13:15.48 | bluesbit | jajajaja |
| 13:15.52 | jelly | dustybin: eeugh. restore? |
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| 13:16.03 | themill | Crypticfortune: not on a server and probably not even on a desktop without being very careful with your pinning. |
| 13:16.07 | dustybin | jelly: i have a backup but its a pain |
| 13:17.25 | bluesbit | i would add market speculations to that lies definition. |
| 13:17.27 | Crypticfortune | so basically the consensus is "dont mix releases" >> "pinning" >> "APT::Default-Release"? |
| 13:18.01 | themill | Crypticfortune: yes. Make a proper backport instead. Specifically what packages are you wanting from lenny? |
| 13:18.04 | liable | d-i uses release names now, or am i missing something? |
| 13:18.24 | gamla_kossan | hey guys |
| 13:18.37 | themill | liable: d-i does but lots of internal apt functions (like Default-Release in apt_preferences(5)) do not. |
| 13:18.58 | gamla_kossan | trying to execute a nagios script from remote, and have put nagios in the sudoers.. but I get this in /var/log/auth.log: |
| 13:19.01 | gamla_kossan | Sep 11 15:15:49 ladyburn sudo: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost= user=nagios |
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| 13:19.06 | gamla_kossan | anyone have a clue what's wrong? |
| 13:19.18 | liable | themill: oh |
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| 13:19.42 | bluesbit | i don't know why "sid" doesn't work with apt-preferences. i have to use testing in both sources.list and apt-preferences |
| 13:20.04 | bluesbit | but that isn't a problem XD |
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| 13:20.37 | Crypticfortune | themill: right now i'm eyeing subversion (which sadly isn't on backports.org) |
| 13:21.12 | LemensTS | What is the prefered way of backing up a server that has rsnapshot on it, to a server that doesnt have rsnapshot on it? |
| 13:21.30 | bluesbit | bash script? |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: it's called 'svn' |
| 13:22.07 | LemensTS | bluesbit: it allows me to copy from the other server to itself, i dont know how you copy from it to the other server tho |
| 13:22.18 | LemensTS | *it being the rsnapshot server |
| 13:22.36 | jelly | abrotman: wait, backport of svn uses package name "svn"?! |
| 13:22.36 | stew | abrotman: you sure? |
| 13:22.40 | kibibyte | i have quesition |
| 13:22.47 | jelly | why would they change the package name |
| 13:23.05 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: searching on the webpage for "svn" only turns up "git-svn" |
| 13:23.08 | stew | at a quick glance, subversion could be backported, but you'd first need to backport tcl and bdb |
| 13:23.21 | kibibyte | im trying to build .deb package with dependency but when im trying to install it then i have error: myprogram depends on glassfishv2; however: |
| 13:23.21 | kibibyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.47 | kibibyte | when im installing other packages it automaticly dowload dependicies |
| 13:23.50 | Crypticfortune | stew: ewww, other stuff depends on bdb. i think i might just give up on that idea.... |
| 13:24.05 | kibibyte | why it is not dwoloading glassfish in my case |
| 13:24.05 | Crypticfortune | (in particular slapd, and i don't want that to break) |
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| 13:25.44 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't know he wanted a newer version than what was in etch .. |
| 13:25.47 | abrotman | hits himself |
| 13:25.56 | kibibyte | help |
| 13:26.07 | liable | hits abrotman to make sure the point sinks in |
| 13:26.12 | stew | Crypticfortune: its just that etch doean't have 4.6, it has 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, but they can co-exist |
| 13:26.21 | liable | does it again for fun |
| 13:26.34 | Crypticfortune | stew: oh then perhaps i'll give it a shot. thanks for looking that up for me! |
| 13:27.00 | themill | Crypticfortune: there are a few new features in the new subversion, but is it worth the hassle? |
| 13:27.03 | stew | though, i must say, i'd not be suprised if it doesn't go, seems like something that would have done before |
| 13:27.30 | themill | all the client tools would also need to be backported |
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| 13:28.47 | jelly | Crypticfortune: I'd just use the default BDB available in your destination release and see if that works out |
| 13:28.54 | stew | someone needs to write a backport caclulator or something. something that given a source package would tell you if there is a combination of backports that would work |
| 13:29.11 | stew | jelly: he'd have to change sourcecode |
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| 13:29.26 | jelly | stew: most likely just debian/control |
| 13:29.29 | Crypticfortune | themill: the main problem is that repositories touched by the lenny-subversion are unreadable by the etch version, so users trying to use their newer repositories on our etch servers have to go through a lot of extra trouble |
| 13:29.51 | stew | jelly: you think that the maintainers specify 4.6 just to be difficult? |
| 13:30.32 | themill | Crypticfortune: only if you touch the repo with the server tools. Client tools don't affect the repo (although they do affect the checkout) |
| 13:30.33 | jelly | stew: more often than not, they specify the default version of the library for their destination release (ie. lenny) |
| 13:30.58 | jelly | stew: I'd bet both tclXXX and libdbYYY deps would fall under that category |
| 13:31.00 | Crypticfortune | themill: well yes, but that's the situation. |
| 13:31.24 | themill | Crypticfortune: how did the newer svn server touch the repo that's on an etch machine? |
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| 13:32.07 | Crypticfortune | themill: the repos (along with all of our users homes, and thus their checked out dirs) are on a central NFS server, so they use the same files regardless of their current OS |
| 13:32.42 | mrglinux | hi I have a user like mrg and I have another user like test if I want test user can use file or directory of mrg user such as copy/move/touch and ... what shall I do ? |
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| 13:34.03 | crashanddie | mrglinux, the correct way to go, would be to create a group that both users 'mrg' and 'test' share, and then own the file to that group |
| 13:34.35 | themill | Crypticfortune: why are the repos shared around? svn isn't designed to be distributed like that. The repo should be on a central server and then it's only the client tools that are the problem (or not). |
| 13:34.50 | crashanddie | mrglinux, you could also, very simply, just give read/write permissions to the world, but that's probably overkill |
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| 13:37.39 | mrglinux | crashanddie I do that with edit /etc/group mrg:x:mrg:test but doesn't work correctly just some permission like list ..just this I can't create file or directory also I add rwx permission to group |
| 13:37.57 | liable | !ping |
| 13:37.57 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:38.04 | stew | jelly: but why would they put "libdb-dev (>=4.6)" if "libdb-dev" or "libdb-dev (>=4.4)" would have worked? |
| 13:38.22 | jelly | stew: dunno, read the changelog? |
| 13:38.33 | liable | fengor: yeah, your route looks ok |
| 13:38.39 | [RUsh] | Hello. How can I install nvidia drivers in lenny? |
| 13:39.02 | liable | echan |
| 13:39.05 | Crypticfortune | themill: well, that point aside, the working directories are still a problem (because then our users can't do say "svn update" from the main cluster computers if they've been working on their own workstations (which generally run lenny or freebsd 7) |
| 13:39.23 | liable | fengor: sorry |
| 13:39.31 | crashanddie | !tell mrglinux permissions |
| 13:39.46 | crashanddie | !tell mrglinux about permissions |
| 13:40.02 | dustybin | !tell crashanddie about over using !tell |
| 13:40.15 | mrglinux | :-D |
| 13:40.17 | liable | groan |
| 13:40.44 | crashanddie | dustybin, tell that to someone who cares? :P |
| 13:40.54 | jelly | stew: I mean, that's what I'd do were I to try a backport |
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| 13:42.51 | jelly | stew: interestingly, the changelog actually mentions nothing BDB 4.6, but tells a lot of stuff from the time they switched _to_ BDB 4.4 :-) |
| 13:44.36 | JyZyXEL | can you somehow see the polularity of packages in apt? |
| 13:44.41 | JyZyXEL | popularity |
| 13:44.51 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg popcon |
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| 13:45.27 | stew | JyZyXEL: oh, if you mean, is there a way to view that data using the apt package, then no, i dont' think so |
| 13:45.39 | edwin_quijada | I wanna know what services run in theses ports 111 and 113 |
| 13:45.47 | edwin_quijada | 113/tcp open auth |
| 13:45.52 | JyZyXEL | noo i mean people |
| 13:45.55 | stew | edwin_quijada: that's identd |
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| 13:45.57 | edwin_quijada | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 13:46.05 | stew | JyZyXEL: you mean people, not debian installs? |
| 13:46.11 | finalbeta_ | Hello, I have a debian server serving users a website with mysql backend. I need a backup plan for it. Downtime is not that big of an issue. I'm thinking I would use dd to clone the disk to a second disk at maintenance intervals. This should leave me with a booting system. Only the mysql database would not be backed up. I would schedule nightly backups of the mysql datbase to a nass. When a disk fails, I should be able to boot from the dd'ed |
| 13:46.20 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 13:46.28 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 13:46.33 | JyZyXEL | i think thats it |
| 13:46.41 | edwin_quijada | stew: how can eliminate this service |
| 13:46.46 | stew | edwin_quijada: that it "portmap", which is used most commonly for nfs and fam |
| 13:47.17 | edwin_quijada | stew: I dont interested in this service how can I eliminate |
| 13:47.26 | stew | edwin_quijada: identd is usually run from inetd (man inetd.conf). you may not wnat to turn off portmap but instead force it to listen only to a local ip, /msg dpkg portmap ; look at /etc/default/portmap |
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| 13:47.38 | Crypticfortune | stew: that'd be pretty cool though (to see a popularity score inside of aptitude) |
| 13:47.43 | JyZyXEL | so lets say for example you wanna know whats the best bandwidth monitor |
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| 13:47.54 | JyZyXEL | you do "apt-cache search bandwidth monitor" |
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| 13:48.01 | themill | Crypticfortune: hmm it still sounds like you're doing it wrong... |
| 13:48.05 | JyZyXEL | a way to see the popularity for those |
| 13:48.14 | JyZyXEL | so you can pick the most popular one |
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| 13:48.30 | stew | i'm hoping to have a bot to tell you that in the next couple of days :) |
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| 13:48.52 | JyZyXEL | who me? |
| 13:49.02 | Crypticfortune | themill: I think subversion is "wrong" for 99% of our purposes anyway, so I'll agree with you ;) |
| 13:49.14 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes, but this doesn't really help you |
| 13:49.27 | JyZyXEL | lol its gonna be somekind of awk monster |
| 13:50.42 | cheetahw26 | how can i get vi to work in debian ? |
| 13:50.53 | stew | cheetahw26: type "vi" |
| 13:50.59 | cheetahw26 | every time i try to open a file and edit by clicking insert everything gets all jarbled.. |
| 13:51.11 | idimmu | finalbeta_: raid1 would mean you can dispense with the dd, and then nightly incremental backups of data .. |
| 13:51.18 | cheetahw26 | vim seems to work, and i have tried to do a link, but the link doesnt seem to actually revert to vim.. |
| 13:51.35 | stew | cheetahw26: what do you mean by "do a link"? |
| 13:51.36 | cheetahw26 | is it just my ssh connection, i wonder.. ? |
| 13:51.42 | mrglinux | crashanddie usermod -a -G mrg test ;-) |
| 13:51.51 | cheetahw26 | ln /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vi |
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| 13:52.58 | cheetahw26 | no even in the terminal its all goofy... |
| 13:53.35 | cheetahw26 | when i type insert to edit the file... instead of giving me the 'insert' text at the bottom and alowing me to edit, it changes the case of whatever letter i am on |
| 13:53.53 | cheetahw26 | i just did a default install from net-cd... |
| 13:53.59 | cheetahw26 | am i supposed to do something else? |
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| 13:54.48 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: use popcon |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 13:54.59 | stew | cheetahw26: if by "do a link" you mean that you want vim to be run when you type "vi", the "update-alternatives --config vi" and maybe "update-alternatives --config editor" |
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| 13:55.05 | Crypticfortune | cheetahw26: instead of trying something brash hard linking vim over vi, I'd suggest you just add an alias to your .bashrc or whatever your shell is like "alias vi=vim" |
| 13:55.14 | abrotman | stew: will it combine debtags with popcon?! |
| 13:55.27 | cheetahw26 | ahh... good call.. |
| 13:55.30 | themill | cheetahw26: use vim instead of vi e.g. using an alias, and/or echo "set nocompatible" >> ~/.vimrc |
| 13:55.44 | cheetahw26 | i dont really care to use vim over vi... but my vi is all messed up for some reason |
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| 13:56.20 | stew | abrotman: well, i'm working on that, but its not simple, since debtags are compressed, so in udd they might be stored as "works-with::format::{mp3,wav}" so doing a useful sql query is tough |
| 13:56.51 | themill | cheetahw26: you'll probably find that your vi *is* vim just in emulate-all-the-bugs vi mode. Alternatively, it might be nvi. Use update-alternatives to switch between nvi and vim for which provides vi. |
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| 13:57.26 | Crypticfortune | Oops. turns out that in debian vi = vim (oops. i use ed personally =P |
| 13:57.28 | stew | cheetahw26: we might have better clues for you if you were able to show us a picture or something so we have a better idea of what is actually happening |
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| 13:57.40 | jaggz- | I've always ran /etc/init.d services by hand (when manually starting/stopping/reloading them) .. is there a command for them though? |
| 13:57.47 | abrotman | stew: isn't there a query library already? |
| 13:57.49 | stew | cheetahw26: in debian vi = /etc/apternatives/vi which you can configure with "update-alternatives --config vi" |
| 13:57.55 | jaggz- | so I don't need to specify the full path each time? |
| 13:57.58 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 13:58.00 | liable | jaggz-: /msg dpke services |
| 13:58.07 | cheetahw26 | picture? i could do a screenshot... but its easy to explain |
| 13:58.13 | cheetahw26 | when i type... vi ./file |
| 13:58.26 | cheetahw26 | then press 'insert' key on the keyboard to edit the file... |
| 13:58.38 | stew | yeah, i understand that much |
| 13:58.49 | themill | cheetahw26: vi doesn't support the use of the insert key like that. That's a vim-ism. |
| 13:59.01 | cheetahw26 | instead of getting the 'insert' text at the bottom of the file notifying me that i can edit now... the case changes on the letter i am on.. so l turns to L |
| 13:59.03 | jaggz- | vi takes <insert> heh |
| 13:59.17 | jaggz- | cheetah, hit "i", don't hit <insert> |
| 13:59.18 | HawkeV | cheetahw26: that's standard vi |
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| 13:59.26 | cheetahw26 | in addition.. when i press the up or down arrows, instead of the cursor moving i get random chars like A C ,etc.. |
| 13:59.35 | cheetahw26 | oh i :) |
| 13:59.42 | liable | c |
| 13:59.46 | stew | jaggz-: he's right, nvi doesn't take <insert> |
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| 13:59.47 | cheetahw26 | im so used to using insert... |
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| 13:59.57 | Crypticfortune | hahaha i didn't even know the <insert> key could do that. i thought he was using "i" the whole time *^^* |
| 14:00.13 | cheetahw26 | i didnt know i could use i i thought i had to use insert... |
| 14:00.17 | jaggz- | okay, but it should accept your arrows.. are you using vim or straight vi? |
| 14:00.23 | themill | cheetahw26: so do what you've been told and switch to using vim in nocompatible mode. |
| 14:00.37 | jaggz- | cheeta, type :help i and look at i I a A commands |
| 14:00.38 | cheetahw26 | well anyway.. thanks for clearing things up :) and i just added the alias anyway.. so everything works... happy debian user :) |
| 14:00.45 | jaggz- | as well as O o |
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| 14:00.58 | bad_image | debian sux |
| 14:01.02 | bad_image | debian is pissed shit |
| 14:01.03 | jaggz- | oh, he's in nvi |
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| 14:01.18 | themill | jaggz-: glad you finally caught up.... |
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| 14:01.33 | stew | bad_image: if you decide you have an actual support question, feel free to /msg me |
| 14:01.42 | abrotman | given his other channels .. i doubt it |
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| 14:02.39 | jaggz- | themill, it's more complicated than that |
| 14:03.49 | themill | jaggz-: actually, you jumped in in the middle of people trying to help and started confusing the situation. Points for enthusiasm, but it's worth making sure you know what's going on before jumping in. |
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| 14:05.30 | torr | if I change the locale does it change all menus? |
| 14:05.42 | jaggz- | I don't think I caused much confusion. Unfortunately, I left a ? off "vi takes <insert>?" I was asking because I never use insert in vim, which takes it |
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| 14:05.51 | torr | (language from english to gibrish?) |
| 14:06.36 | dan-ny | i have a fresh installation of debian... and here is "aolserver4" installed... if i "apt-get remove --purge aolserver4*" it do nothing... how ich can delete everything of AOL? |
| 14:06.47 | jaggz- | but you're right, themill |
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| 14:08.20 | liable | dan-ny: erm, this is a hosted box or a personal box you installed yourself? |
| 14:08.22 | Crypticfortune | dan-ny: you know using "aolserver4*" (without the quotes) on the commandline will try to replace that for any files matching that glob, right? afaik apt-get doesn't know anything about "*" |
| 14:08.38 | dan-ny | its a personal box liable |
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| 14:09.10 | dan-ny | there are some files from AOLserver... i thought it would be delete everything of this aolshit |
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| 14:10.01 | liable | heh, i had never heard of it before. |
| 14:10.13 | dan-ny | hmm =/ |
| 14:10.15 | liable | dan-ny: aptitude purge aolserver4 |
| 14:10.20 | dan-ny | okay thx |
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| 14:10.41 | edwin_quijada | what service run in 113 port? |
| 14:10.57 | petemc | edwin_quijada: look in /etc/services |
| 14:10.58 | Crypticfortune | edwin_quijada: grep 113 /etc/services |
| 14:10.58 | edwin_quijada | I see it is auth I need to eliminate this service |
| 14:11.09 | liable | edwin_quijada: grep 113 /etc/services |
| 14:11.17 | liable | !lose me |
| 14:11.17 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 14:11.26 | psyched | Hello, i am wondering what image i should get, i am getting a bit confused about what debian (.org) says. |
| 14:11.27 | edwin_quijada | liable: so how can I elimintae |
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| 14:11.58 | liable | edwin_quijada: remove whatever pgp keyserver package you have installed |
| 14:12.00 | Crypticfortune | edwin_quijada: you might want to check what process is actually running there (sudo netstat -nlap | grep 113) |
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| 14:12.26 | edwin_quijada | liable this is openPGP |
| 14:13.02 | stew | < stew> edwin_quijada: that's identd < stew> edwin_quijada: identd is usually run from inetd (man inetd.conf). |
| 14:13.07 | liable | my bad, 113 isnt a key server |
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| 14:13.41 | edwin_quijada | liable: it is not a good idea? |
| 14:13.45 | torr | does the locale affect menus language? |
| 14:14.11 | psyched | Can someone tell me how i can download the full cd image?, cause debian.org is confusing me. |
| 14:14.14 | Crypticfortune | psyched: what kind of computer are you trying to install on? |
| 14:14.16 | nachos | is perl 5.10.0 in lenny's backports? |
| 14:14.39 | \amethyst | nachos: there aren't lenny backports, but Perl 5.10.0 is in lenny |
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| 14:14.43 | stew | nachos: it is in lenny, but it is not backported for etch |
| 14:14.45 | \amethyst | nachos: it's not in etch backports |
| 14:14.48 | liable | edwin_quijada: see stew's comment. identd is generally not needed |
| 14:14.56 | psyched | Crypticfortune : i386 version u mean? ^^ |
| 14:15.08 | \amethyst | psyched: lenny or etch? all the CDs or just the net install? |
| 14:15.13 | nachos | hm thanks, how come its not in backports? |
| 14:15.20 | torr | psyched, if you want to install debian, better get one of the small cd images |
| 14:15.47 | torr | psyched, i.e. not the full |
| 14:16.06 | themill | nachos: it's pretty much impossible to backport perl. Perl is at the core of debian and transitioning from one perl release to another is an extraordinarily difficult thing to do. It took quite some time to get lenny working with perl 5.10 |
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| 14:16.19 | nachos | ah, thanks themill |
| 14:16.29 | \amethyst | nachos: it would require rebuilding most Perl modules, too |
| 14:16.29 | Crypticfortune | psyched: if i386 is good for you, and your box has internet access, you can probably go with the net install |
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| 14:16.38 | psyched[gaming] | sorry my connection is unstable. |
| 14:16.42 | psyched[gaming] | [16:15] <psyched> \amethyst: just the latest stable, and is there not a full cd ? (and no not a net install) |
| 14:17.15 | \amethyst | psyched: the full download is on 21 CDs |
| 14:17.25 | \amethyst | PsycHed^: or 3 DVDs |
| 14:17.29 | PsycHed^ | \amethyst uhm ok. |
| 14:17.44 | PsycHed^ | \amethyst can someone supply me a link? |
| 14:17.53 | \amethyst | PsycHed^: however, CD 1 has the most common stuff, and you can get the rest with apt-get |
| 14:17.58 | \amethyst | PsycHed^: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
| 14:18.08 | PsycHed^ | \amethyst i prefer the 1 cd then ^^ |
| 14:18.28 | \amethyst | PsycHed^: the full CDs are in in the fourth line of links |
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| 14:19.52 | Crypticfortune | PsycHed^: you might be misinterpretting "net install" to mean "net booting?" If you're ok with getting other stuff via apt-get, then the net install would also probably work for you... |
| 14:19.53 | PsycHed^ | \amethyst ok, so i have to install ssh etc.. all those things, and u can assure me debian is better then CentOS?, (centos is totally f*cking me up) |
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| 14:20.39 | \amethyst | PsycHed^: I prefer Debian to CentOS, but I can't guarantee that you will |
| 14:20.43 | PsycHed^ | Crypticfortune: well i am on a distance from my server so someone else has to set the basics up, and just the simply's |
| 14:21.06 | PsycHed^ | \amethyst but will apache & mysql & php & phpmyadmin run without any problems? thats all i need =) |
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| 14:21.33 | LemensTS | bluesbit: it allows me to copy from the other server to itself, i dont know how you copy from it to the other server tho |
| 14:21.48 | \amethyst | PsycHed^: yes (use apache 2 and php 5, though---apache 1 and php 4 are going away in the next release) |
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| 14:22.30 | Crypticfortune | PsycHed^: short answer: yes. (though i'd imagine those work fine in CentOS too, so i dunno what your beef with that was) |
| 14:23.11 | PsycHed^ | \amethyst ok, centos refuses to update my php, and mysql constanly bugs, and phpmyadmin refuses to work cause php version is to low. |
| 14:23.25 | PsycHed^ | Crypticfortune ok, centos refuses to update my php, and mysql constanly bugs, and phpmyadmin refuses to work cause php version is to low. (sorry) |
| 14:23.40 | \amethyst | torr: I usually use gdb directly. the gdb docs have a section "Debuging Programs with Multiple Processes" |
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| 14:24.10 | Crypticfortune | sounds like you might like debian better then? ^^ |
| 14:24.15 | \amethyst | torr: set follow-fork-mode child for example |
| 14:24.35 | torr | ok |
| 14:25.19 | PsycHed^ | Crypticfortune : Yes, i used to work with ubuntu, but since i heard centos was better and stabler (stupid for me to switch), so i switched. |
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| 14:25.27 | PsycHed^ | xD |
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| 14:26.55 | jelly | PsycHed^: you forgot the 0th rule of IT? Don't touch it if it works. |
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| 14:27.24 | PsycHed^ | jelly : my ubuntu was not really stable. |
| 14:27.56 | PsycHed^ | jelly : but that looks standart when u got a botnet pointed on your server |
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| 14:29.28 | binrapt | I have trouble setting up "virtual" read only FTP accounts on pureftpd/proftpd/vsftpd so somebody suggested that I should simply add users with shell set to /bin/true to achieve that |
| 14:29.31 | binrapt | Is that even safe? |
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| 14:29.42 | binrapt | Will it prevent them from getting any access to the system via SSH? |
| 14:30.20 | PsycHed^ | binrapt /bin/false (i think, will prevent them) |
| 14:30.35 | binrapt | Ok |
| 14:30.53 | RichiH | binrapt: false is better than true |
| 14:30.56 | stew | binrapt: why use system users at all? |
| 14:31.04 | binrapt | stew exactly, I don't want to :[ |
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| 14:31.25 | stew | binrapt: so don't add them at all, and turn off pam authentication in the ftp server |
| 14:31.26 | RichiH | you might want to make sure /bin/false appears in /etc/shells |
| 14:31.38 | binrapt | I am just too stupid how to configure any ftpd to add virtual servers |
| 14:31.41 | RichiH | or what stew says |
| 14:31.44 | binrapt | Err virtual users |
| 14:31.46 | PsycHed^ | im gonna eat =D |
| 14:31.52 | binrapt | Ok I'll give pureftpd a try then again |
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| 14:32.41 | binrapt | Ok first step, turn PAM off |
| 14:33.11 | stew | binrapt: /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd-common/README.Debian.gz tells you how |
| 14:33.27 | [RUsh] | Did anyone use mpd+ncmpc in debian lenny? |
| 14:33.45 | LemensTS | # /bin/sh: root: command not found - im getting this emailed to me every morning when it trys to run a job i setup by "crontab -e" the job is "0 3 * * * root /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily" |
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| 14:36.10 | stew | LemensTS: yeah, there is no command named "root" in your $PATH (user crontabs don't have a username column) |
| 14:36.50 | binrapt | Stopping ftp server: pure-ftpd., yet the server is still running, strange |
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| 14:37.21 | LemensTS | stew: ok, im logged in as root when i do "crontab -e", does that mean there is a system crontab and a user root crontab? |
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| 14:38.16 | binrapt | Argh why do all these FTP servers have to be so difficult to configure ;[ |
| 14:38.19 | stew | LemensTS: user root. the ones that have a username column are in /etc/cron.d |
| 14:38.39 | stew | binrapt: is it running via inetd? |
| 14:38.45 | LemensTS | stew: ahh ok i did not know that, thank you |
| 14:38.49 | binrapt | I don't see it in ps -A |
| 14:38.53 | stew | binrapt: or, how did you determine that it was still running? |
| 14:39.01 | binrapt | By connecting to the server |
| 14:39.06 | binrapt | And getting the pureftpd welcome message |
| 14:39.12 | binrapt | Logging into an account via PAM |
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| 14:40.11 | binrapt | I just used apt-get install pure-ftpd-common pure-ftpd, I suppose that uses inetd? |
| 14:40.23 | stew | binrapt: what does "grep STANDALONE /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common" return? |
| 14:40.38 | binrapt | No such file |
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| 14:41.53 | stew | i don't remember then. but its probably using inetd. you can use netstat to see what process has that port open, /msg dpkg open ports |
| 14:42.22 | stew | binrapt: but also, if its running via inetd, then you probably don't have to restart it, since it started once per connection anyway |
| 14:42.45 | binrapt | Ah I see |
| 14:42.48 | binrapt | Nifty |
| 14:43.49 | binrapt | Oh I used netstat 21, is tcp6 TCP via IPv6? |
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| 14:44.55 | binrapt | Nah should be IPv4, would have surprised me |
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| 14:46.06 | stew | binrapt: tcp6 is TCP via ipv6 or ipv4 |
| 14:46.13 | binrapt | Ah ok |
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| 14:47.39 | Nigromante | hi |
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| 14:52.40 | binrapt | intothevoid:/etc/pure-ftpd/conf# cat PAMAuthentication; no; intothevoid:/etc/pure-ftpd/conf# /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart; ftp 127.0.0.1; [...] 230 OK. Current directory is /home/binrapt |
| 14:52.43 | binrapt | Why oh why :[ |
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| 14:53.54 | snitko | hello. What could possible be a reason of not starting a service at boot time, while it normally starts manually and has appropriate symlinks in rcN.d dirs? |
| 14:54.16 | stew | snitko: a setting in /etc/default ? |
| 14:54.33 | snitko | stew: hm, let me check it |
| 14:54.46 | stew | binrapt: what does cat "/etc/pure-ftpd/conf/PAMAuthentication" return? |
| 14:54.53 | binrapt | no |
| 14:54.56 | binrapt | As I pasted |
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| 14:55.04 | stew | your paste was confusing |
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| 14:55.13 | binrapt | Replace ; with \n :p |
| 14:55.44 | snitko | stew: ok, I'm a little unfamiliar with /etc/default. what's it for? |
| 14:55.54 | stew | binrapt: how about "cat /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/UnixAuthentication" ? |
| 14:56.02 | binrapt | Oh haha. |
| 14:56.04 | stew | snitko: settings for /etc/init.d scripts |
| 14:56.12 | binrapt | No it's no too |
| 14:56.47 | snitko | stew: man exists or google it? |
| 14:57.28 | stew | snitko: what do you need to know? |
| 14:57.35 | binrapt | Shouldn't init.d restart fix it? :[ |
| 14:57.39 | stew | snitko: they should be self documenting |
| 14:57.48 | stew | binrapt: not if it is running from inetd |
| 14:57.51 | binrapt | Or if it's not running via inet.d it should give me something on ps -A | grep ftp eh? |
| 14:58.06 | stew | binrapt: no, it shouldn't |
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| 14:58.34 | snitko | stew: not sure. I just don't know why the service don't start and you've just said it might be because of /etc/default. |
| 14:58.37 | stew | oh, wait, its not runnign from inetd? then maybe |
| 14:58.44 | stew | snitko: what service |
| 14:58.46 | binrapt | Well I thought it was |
| 14:58.50 | zahna | so, i have two nics on two different subnets, configured via dhcp. i'm getting 2 default routes. is there an easy way to keep that from happening? |
| 14:58.53 | JyZyXEL | how do you get pi in bc? |
| 14:58.54 | binrapt | It's the default config as far as I have read |
| 14:59.04 | JyZyXEL | 3.14... |
| 14:59.06 | abrotman | zahna: you can configure dhclient to not request a route IIRC |
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| 14:59.15 | zahna | abrotman: is that the "debian way"? |
| 14:59.47 | snitko | stew: I've just added a new one 'mongrel_cluster' |
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| 15:00.26 | binrapt | /var/run/pure-ftpd/ is empty though hm shouldn't there be a pid file? |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | zahna: you're just configuring it to not ask for a route |
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| 15:00.38 | snitko | stew: 'mongrel_cluster' is the one I'm talking about, yes |
| 15:00.39 | JyZyXEL | how do you get Pi in bc? |
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| 15:00.53 | stew | JyZyXEL: its covered in the bc manpage |
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| 15:01.53 | JyZyXEL | guess ill just use 3.14 then :p |
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| 15:02.09 | jelly | use 3 |
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| 15:02.27 | JyZyXEL | whats the next number in pi |
| 15:02.31 | txx | Hey guys |
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| 15:02.36 | JyZyXEL | !pi |
| 15:02.37 | dpkg | i heard pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326 |
| 15:02.41 | JyZyXEL | haha ill use that |
| 15:02.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: did you check the manpage? |
| 15:02.45 | Sebboh | I see jboss application server packages, but I don't think they contain what I expected them to. Anybody know what's up with that? |
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| 15:03.00 | JyZyXEL | stew yea |
| 15:03.15 | stew | JyZyXEL: so why not use their suggestion for pi? |
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| 15:03.26 | txx | ehm guys i was wondering if you could give me the !one-line command thing for installing ndiswrapper |
| 15:03.29 | stew | snitko: check /etc/default/mongrel_cluster if it exists. does /etc/init.d/mongrel_cluster make it start? |
| 15:03.40 | stew | txx: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 15:03.47 | txx | thank you ^ |
| 15:03.49 | JyZyXEL | i need better calculator than bbc |
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| 15:03.57 | jelly | JyZyXEL, stew: because using atan sounds hackish? :-) |
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| 15:04.24 | JyZyXEL | i did: 1/2*3.14 and it says 0 |
| 15:04.30 | stew | jelly: its just a table lookup, its better than 3.14 |
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| 15:04.39 | snitko | stew: /etc/default/mongrel_cluster does not exist, manually starting service with 'service mongrel_cluster start' works fine. |
| 15:04.39 | stew | JyZyXEL: sounds correct |
| 15:04.40 | jelly | JyZyXEL: uh, rtfm? |
| 15:04.41 | prolix | in /bin/sh/ pi=$(echo "scale=10 4*a(1)" | bc -1) |
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| 15:04.57 | stew | snitko: service? is this debian? |
| 15:05.01 | JyZyXEL | is there a better calculator than bc? |
| 15:05.06 | stew | JyZyXEL: what is wrong with bc? |
| 15:05.07 | jelly | JyZyXEL: you want to learn about bc's scale variable |
| 15:05.14 | JyZyXEL | i find it too pro |
| 15:05.33 | jelly | bc is available everywhere |
| 15:05.45 | jelly | JyZyXEL: if you want something friendly, try wcalc |
| 15:05.52 | dv_ | JyZyXEL, I use the python command line :) |
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| 15:06.10 | jelly | mmm, pi |
| 15:06.38 | abrotman | !icecream jelly |
| 15:06.43 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:06.54 | jelly | abrotman: already had one |
| 15:07.02 | JyZyXEL | wcalc seems more nice |
| 15:07.12 | jelly | the sentiment is appreciated, though |
| 15:07.45 | snitko | stew: I'm sorry, it's ubuntu. I thought it's pretty much the same, when we talk about services and init.d. Again, sorry, I guess wrong channel then. |
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| 15:08.52 | jelly | !penixstrike snitko |
| 15:08.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking snitko to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:08.56 | stew | snitko: no ubuntu is definately different, especially in this regard |
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| 15:13.21 | binrapt | Do I need to be aware of any other systems that use PAM? I'm new to making Linux accounts that are supposed to very restrictive. I am abusing it with /bin/false to make a read only chrooted FTP account |
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| 15:13.51 | binrapt | It would be nicer to use virtual users only but I haven't figured out how to accomplish that with any of those ftpds lol |
| 15:14.05 | binrapt | I managed to make it work with proftpd once but then I broke it again I think |
| 15:14.12 | gamla_kossan | how do I install a 386 pakcage on a 64-bit system with dpkg? |
| 15:14.18 | gamla_kossan | ladyburn:~# dpkg -i megacli_1.01.39-1_i386.deb |
| 15:14.18 | gamla_kossan | dpkg: error processing megacli_1.01.39-1_i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 15:14.19 | dpkg | gamla_kossan: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:14.22 | gamla_kossan | is what I get |
| 15:14.48 | gamla_kossan | should I force install it? |
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| 15:16.48 | badcfe | i dont remember the name of the essential package for doing C compilation and deveolping |
| 15:16.59 | badcfe | man fnmatch #nothing |
| 15:17.07 | badcfe | man snprintf #nothing |
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| 15:17.47 | gamla_kossan | badcfe: apt-get install build-essential could be something for you :> |
| 15:17.53 | badcfe | thnks |
| 15:18.14 | gamla_kossan | np :> |
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| 15:18.53 | SidGBF | Does a linux image 486 and 686 have different repositories? |
| 15:19.26 | badcfe | gamla_kossan: the manual pages are still not there |
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| 15:19.31 | p1ngp0ng | any one got any idea why i get connection refused when i open up "pavucontrol" ? |
| 15:19.41 | kalila | when will * * * * * execute in crontab |
| 15:19.59 | stew | kalila: once a minute |
| 15:20.27 | SidGBF | do exist debootstrap that offer lenny kernels? |
| 15:20.31 | stew | badcfe: manpages-dev |
| 15:20.51 | stew | SidGBF: debootstrap doens't install a kernel, you'd do that separately |
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| 15:22.20 | SidGBF | stew: I mean, we used chroot + debootstrap to change from CentOS to debian, but it got something wrong... for instance we need PHP 5.2.6 and it comes with 5.2.0. I think the problem is that we got etchandhalf |
| 15:23.14 | stew | SidGBF: you can get debootstrap to install lenny instead of etch, sure, just use lenny as the 'suite' |
| 15:23.32 | p1ngp0ng | can someone recomned a good gui based audio manager? im trying to use a headset without it playing on my speakers and the headset at the same time |
| 15:23.36 | p1ngp0ng | recomend* |
| 15:23.39 | manu_hack | why upgrading initramfs-tools only runs update-initramfs: for 2.6.18, but I'm using .26? |
| 15:24.14 | stew | manu_hack: are you using a debian compiled 2.6.26 or one that you compiled? |
| 15:24.14 | SidGBF | stew: And where I select it? It wasn't me doing the install |
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| 15:24.31 | stew | SidGBF: the first argument to debootstrap |
| 15:24.36 | manu_hack | stew: didn't compile, the debian one |
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| 15:25.29 | SidGBF | Does a linux image 486 and 686 have different repositories? Would applications be different? |
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| 15:25.44 | liable | no |
| 15:25.53 | liable | they are i386 |
| 15:26.07 | SidGBF | liable: And from etch, etchandhalf and lenny? |
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| 15:26.22 | SidGBF | how to discover wich is my distro? |
| 15:26.25 | liable | all the same |
| 15:26.34 | liable | !version |
| 15:26.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 15:27.31 | manu_hack | and on my other box where it's running .25, upgrading initramfs-tools update initramfs for .26, bizarre |
| 15:28.20 | liable | why is that strange? if you upgrade the tool, remaking the initrd makes sense |
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| 15:28.41 | stew | liable: no, he means it's strange the .26 doesn't get updated on the first box |
| 15:29.02 | manu_hack | is that a reason for them not running /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -k all -u but try to guess the version the box is using? |
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| 15:30.05 | manu_hack | liable: right, update makes sense, but didn't have my current kernel version update ... |
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| 15:32.40 | smacnay | Anyone think of a reason for fusesmb not picking up a server on the lan but picking up the local machine which is serving? |
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| 15:37.55 | jeward | Do I need to recompile php to get the freetype security fix? |
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| 15:39.19 | jeward | Since freetype is a shared library, I don't, right? |
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| 15:40.05 | beardy | !wayc jeward |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | jeward: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 15:40.30 | jeward | beardy: We have a bunch of non-apt cusomizations. |
| 15:40.39 | jeward | customizations even. |
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| 15:43.35 | rysiek | hi al |
| 15:43.36 | rysiek | l |
| 15:44.11 | rysiek | anybody remembers what was the command to break long-lines in text files / stdinput to a certain given width? |
| 15:44.18 | rysiek | cant seem to remember |
| 15:44.35 | stew | rysiek: fmt |
| 15:44.57 | p1ngp0ng | how can i configure etch to play audio only through my headset when i plug it in? atm, its is playing from the speakers and the headset when i plug it in. |
| 15:45.02 | rysiek | stew: thanks |
| 15:45.22 | n3kl | pinnen: isn't that a hardware capability, not a configuration? |
| 15:45.51 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: so say "I would like the speakers to shut off when i insert the headphone jack" |
| 15:45.59 | p1ngp0ng | im controlling the audio with PCM and FRONT, The headset volume knob doesnt do anything. maybe there is a app i can use to configure the output etc.. ? |
| 15:46.24 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: thats waht i said. |
| 15:46.40 | enouf | heh, .. it took me a few minutes though :-p |
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| 15:47.14 | p1ngp0ng | well, i say it as it is. that way people dont get confused ;) |
| 15:47.20 | enouf | adding the word /both/ somewhere in there would've helped |
| 15:47.21 | p1ngp0ng | so, any suggestions? |
| 15:47.50 | mbroeker | p1ngp0ng, alsamixer ? |
| 15:48.04 | enouf | nope, headsets are for wussies, and the neighbors need to be annoyed :-P |
| 15:48.04 | p1ngp0ng | nope, tried everything in there |
| 15:48.13 | p1ngp0ng | hehehe |
| 15:48.28 | p1ngp0ng | it sounds better with headset. (got crapy laptop speakers) |
| 15:48.31 | themill | p1ngp0ng: is this an intel HDA chip? |
| 15:48.35 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 15:48.40 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: oh, which sound module? |
| 15:48.44 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: modinfo it |
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| 15:49.04 | enouf | there might be a parm you can set |
| 15:49.09 | themill | p1ngp0ng: try a newer alsa or newer kernel. Much of that sort of thing is sorted out with a newer kernel. (I had the same with my laptop and also mrs themill's) |
| 15:49.31 | enouf | wonders where the 2nd 'a' went in modinfo's param |
| 15:49.34 | p1ngp0ng | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03 |
| 15:50.22 | p1ngp0ng | hehe. well, i would prefer not to upgrade my kernel. |
| 15:50.36 | mbroeker | p1ngp0ng, on my setup, i can disable 4-Channel Mode in alsamixer and the sound goes only to front-out, not to front-out and rear-out. |
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| 15:51.01 | smacnay | I have run fuse and mounted my local samba shares but get an error when trying to access them (permission denied). Is this common for local access. Also, other shares on the network don't show up. The network shares show up with smbtree and with the Gnome vfs through nautilus. Anyone had issues with fuse doing this? |
| 15:51.03 | themill | p1ngp0ng: it might be the easiest thing to do. 2.6.24 is called the "etchnhalf" kernel and is only an apt-get away. There is also 2.6.26 on backports.org. /msg dpkg etchnhalf ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:51.06 | enouf | seen http://alsa.opensrc.org ? |
| 15:51.07 | p1ngp0ng | mbroeker: how do you do that exsactly? |
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| 15:51.50 | p1ngp0ng | themill: you sure it wont mess up my system? |
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| 15:52.56 | stew | p1ngp0ng: there is always the possibility that it won't work, but it won't mess anything up. just don't remove the currently working kernel until the new one works |
| 15:53.47 | p1ngp0ng | ok, but before i try that. how do i turn off 4 channel mode? i only see PCM, Headset, and Front on my alsamixer |
| 15:53.56 | enouf | tell us about your obscure raid+lvm+dmcrypt setup using lilo :-P |
| 15:54.28 | p1ngp0ng | huh? |
| 15:55.05 | p1ngp0ng | i dont have lvm dmcrypt enabled. my host might tho. |
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| 16:02.10 | p1ngp0ng | guys, im still having a hard time figuring out how to turn off spesific channels. |
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| 16:02.27 | p1ngp0ng | it doesnt seem that i have that option in alsamixer. |
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| 16:02.43 | stew | p1ngp0ng: probably because your driver is too old to support more options in alsamixer |
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| 16:02.59 | p1ngp0ng | !etchnhalf |
| 16:03.00 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 16:03.34 | p1ngp0ng | !etchnhalf oneliner |
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| 16:03.40 | stew | its really too bad that the alsa-source maintainers didn't keep it easily backportable |
| 16:03.44 | p1ngp0ng | !etchnhalf one-liner |
| 16:03.46 | stew | p1ngp0ng: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:03.56 | p1ngp0ng | 2.6.18-6 iirc |
| 16:04.11 | p1ngp0ng | amd64 |
| 16:04.31 | stew | p1ngp0ng: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 16:05.01 | p1ngp0ng | ok, hope this works |
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| 16:05.36 | p1ngp0ng | allright brb then |
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| 16:13.04 | p1ngp0ng | allright, seems that the upgrade went well. just a small problem, X isnt working :\ |
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| 16:13.36 | p1ngp0ng | i tried to install the kernel 2.6 headers and run the Nvidia installer, but it need the kernel tree. |
| 16:13.53 | p1ngp0ng | it's a bit out of my league |
| 16:14.19 | p1ngp0ng | so, i guess im asking for some one to guide me through this. my card is a gefore 8600m gs |
| 16:14.27 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 16:14.28 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 16:14.30 | p1ngp0ng | amd64 architecure |
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| 16:18.40 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: when using amd64 do i type nvidia-glx(-ia64) i've heard you need that for amd64... |
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| 16:18.47 | rahsputin | hi, i want to build a kernel to fit with busybox, uClibc, 2.6.26.5 kernel on a single floppy... with a not to simple explanation from this website: http://linuxguy.org/docs/linuxdisk/ ... i am having trouble building the kernel on ( Debian Etch Stable/2.6.18-6-686 ) since it is the first time for me to build one. I am looking for documentation on how to accomplish this task. |
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| 16:19.10 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: this is from nvidia_post_etch btw |
| 16:19.18 | n3kl | Someone in here the other day, refered me to use picard. Just wanted to say thanks. It rocks the shiz! |
| 16:19.19 | p1ngp0ng | i assume that is the command i need yes? |
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| 16:20.37 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: ia64 is not amd64 |
| 16:20.57 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: i have no idea what nvidia calls their 64bit implementation |
| 16:21.20 | p1ngp0ng | sorry i ment ia32. if you have a look at dpkg nvidia one-liner, he sais to use ia32 if you use amd64 |
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| 16:21.34 | enouf | check the wiki, see which driver supports your card, and install the debian way |
| 16:21.36 | enouf | IMHO |
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| 16:22.03 | p1ngp0ng | thats what im trying. and using wiki on lynx is a hassle tbh |
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| 16:22.11 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: i'm just not sure .. see that wiki.debian.org url |
| 16:22.20 | enouf | use links2 -g ;-) |
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| 16:22.57 | enouf | can't you just use vga or nv to get into X ? |
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| 16:23.24 | p1ngp0ng | nope i cant do that |
| 16:24.05 | Hammar | what could possibly cause software buffer underrun every single time is use growisofs to burn a 4,4gb DVD? |
| 16:24.07 | enouf | you'll want to "chmod 4755 /usr/bin/links2" in console to use mouse and keys without running it as root user |
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| 16:24.42 | enouf | Hammar: you buffer settings, try -burnfree |
| 16:24.43 | Hammar | burn process does continue, though. speed just drops from 12-18x to 2-4x |
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| 16:25.20 | Hammar | enouf: according to k3b, burnfree is enabled. command line does look right, too. |
| 16:25.29 | enouf | well .. could be many things, bus speed, etc - but 12-18x DVD burns? nice one |
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| 16:25.49 | enouf | Hammar: in k3b you can set your buffer size |
| 16:26.13 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: i'll just try and work with what i _do_ know atm ;) |
| 16:26.22 | Hammar | already tried manual buffers up to 2gb... problem just appears later into the burn process |
| 16:26.29 | enouf | and use it's debug output to show you exactly the command it ran .. save to file too if you like |
| 16:26.46 | p1ngp0ng | oh btw, building of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed :( |
| 16:26.50 | enouf | 2G is insane, try 4M :-P |
| 16:27.11 | enouf | Hammar: later? it should be burning slower in the beginning |
| 16:27.24 | enouf | faster at the outer part of media |
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| 16:27.43 | Hammar | curiously enough, it's the other way round |
| 16:27.45 | enouf | !fail |
| 16:27.48 | p1ngp0ng | nvidia.ko is waht failed |
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| 16:28.21 | enouf | Hammar: are you in australia? where the toilet flushes in the opposite direction? :-P |
| 16:28.33 | Hammar | concerning bus speeds: HDD and DVD are SATA devices. which tools are used to get and set bus speed, etc? |
| 16:29.22 | enouf | well, now you get into disk controllers, and their (any) limitations they may have |
| 16:29.27 | enouf | are you in AHCI mode? |
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| 16:30.06 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: sorry to be such a nagger. but can you have a look at dpkg's "nvidia one-liner" and tell me what im supose to do from where is sais "uname -r...." |
| 16:31.16 | enouf | install nvidia-glx-ia32 |
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| 16:31.37 | enouf | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:31.37 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 16:32.12 | p1ngp0ng | im confused by the `uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` |
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| 16:32.44 | enouf | $ uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g' |
| 16:32.44 | enouf | 686 |
| 16:33.37 | p1ngp0ng | im still unsure of how the command should look like when i've typed it all. |
| 16:33.55 | p1ngp0ng | smacks him self for beeing a little nublet |
| 16:33.56 | enouf | it snips off the unneeded uname -r info , so for me, it'd end up with nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 16:34.07 | enouf | you copy and paste |
| 16:34.11 | enouf | no typing allowed |
| 16:34.16 | glazzies | is there an easy way to tell what device my usb headset uses? |
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| 16:34.34 | p1ngp0ng | oh, so in other words, i can just skip it and type in what uname -r tells me manually? |
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| 16:34.47 | enouf | easy? maybe cat /proc/bus/usb/* |
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| 16:35.00 | ezguy | liable: i got network-manager installed but it failure to launch nm-applet with this message: authenictaction rejecdted, reason: none of the authenication protocols specified are supported and host based autheniication failed." any ideas? |
| 16:35.12 | ezguy | i got network-manager installed but it failure to launch nm-applet with this message: authenictaction rejecdted, reason: none of the authenication protocols specified are supported and host based autheniication failed." any ideas? |
| 16:35.12 | enouf | or cat /proc/asound/* -- oh, amixer might help |
| 16:35.35 | Hammar | enouf: kernel log says something about AHCI and EHCI, yes... i guess i have some reading to do |
| 16:35.47 | enouf | lshal | grep device_file (should be one of those, iinm) |
| 16:35.49 | dustybin | if i issue a: /etc/init.d/networking restart, i lose my network connection and my NICs ? |
| 16:36.03 | dustybin | the only way i can get things back as they were is if i restart the server |
| 16:36.16 | glazzies | i was thinking in terms of /dev/? |
| 16:36.28 | enouf | Hammar: ahci is your sata controller - the ehci_hci is USB 2.0 host controller |
| 16:36.51 | enouf | Hammar: see linux-ata.org also |
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| 16:37.40 | enouf | glazzies: there likely might not be - oh wait .. check out the lshal output |
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| 16:38.24 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.37 | glazzies | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:38.46 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.58 | glazzies | linux.device_file = '/dev/snd/timer' (string) |
| 16:39.07 | myzinsky | hi, i have a problem with the nm-applet! |
| 16:39.09 | enouf | $ lshal | grep device_file | grep usb |
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| 16:39.17 | myzinsky | nm-applet detect my wireless connection as wired ^^ |
| 16:39.22 | enouf | but man amixer |
| 16:39.30 | p1ngp0ng | bah! it cant find the nvidia-kernel-2.6- |
| 16:39.37 | ezguy | when i do a apt-get remove pkg, will it also remove all the un-needed dependency pkgs or i need to manually remove each one of them? |
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| 16:39.40 | myzinsky | nm-tool say: |
| 16:39.47 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 ? |
| 16:39.57 | glazzies | http://paste.debian.net/17004/ |
| 16:39.58 | \amethyst | hm, I just submitted a patch for a non-RC bug that maybe should be RC (it makes the program not work on i386/amd64/ppc without extra command-line options) |
| 16:40.02 | myzinsky | - Device: wlan0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- NM Path: /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/wlan0 Type: Wired |
| 16:40.03 | ezguy | nm-tool works |
| 16:40.12 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: do you have deb-src lines in your sources.list ? |
| 16:40.19 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 16:40.26 | glazzies | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/17004/ |
| 16:40.33 | Hammar | kernel complains that the controller does not support NCQ... mb i should just turn AHCI off in the bios altogether |
| 16:40.54 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: ~$ apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-[TAB][TAB] |
| 16:41.03 | myzinsky | ezguy: im using a 2.6.27 kernel ^^ |
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| 16:41.39 | enouf | Hammar: perhaps ... that kind of stinks, no NCQ |
| 16:42.33 | Hammar | might even be the onboard fake raid controller messing with the kernel |
| 16:43.45 | enouf | glazzies: dude. i don't know, i don't use anything usb |
| 16:44.00 | maligor | Hammar, doesn't show ncq flag in the ahci line? |
| 16:44.03 | enouf | Hammar: nah, you mean dmraid? |
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| 16:44.32 | enouf | oh wait - i thought you said "missing" not messing |
| 16:44.35 | Hammar | ahci 0000:03:00.0: controller can't do NCQ, turning off CAP_NCQ |
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| 16:44.57 | n3kl | pinnen: just follow nvidia_lenny_1 and nvidia_lenny_2 and kwitcherbichin |
| 16:45.07 | binrapt | http://www.howtoforge.com/pureftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting <- why don't I get the standalone request on pure ftpd mysql :[ |
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| 16:45.34 | pablo | hi, i want to run an app but it says cannot connect to X server :0.0 how do i specify the x is in term 7 or something like that? |
| 16:46.37 | enouf | ezguy: you'd need to use debfoster/deborphan - that's why many times aptitude is recommended |
| 16:46.45 | \amethyst | binrapt: try dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-mysql ; it's probably that the question has lower priority than your debconf setting |
| 16:46.56 | binrapt | Ok |
| 16:47.24 | enouf | pablo: echo $DISPLAY |
| 16:47.25 | \amethyst | binrapt: or the question could be in pure-ftpd-common |
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| 16:47.26 | binrapt | \amethyst: Stopping ftp server: pure-ftpd. |
| 16:47.33 | binrapt | Hm |
| 16:47.42 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: allright, i've have used both command given my dpkg 1st "nvidia one-line" did not work. 2nd "nvidia_post_etch" did not work. 1st method error: module nvidia not found. |
| 16:47.45 | enouf | pablo: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 16:47.46 | binrapt | Yes you are right |
| 16:47.56 | binrapt | It's in pure-ftpd-common |
| 16:48.29 | wols | p1ngp0ng: what debian versin do you run? |
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| 16:48.52 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: you'd only use the one-liner if you did the steps before (it's only meant as a refresher) |
| 16:49.01 | pablo | enouf: :0.0 |
| 16:49.04 | p1ngp0ng | and apt-cache nvidia-kernel showsrc shows 2.6.18-amd64 and legacy,source,src and common. non for etchnhalf |
| 16:49.13 | wols | p1ngp0ng: uname -a |
| 16:49.15 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: see what ls /usr/src says |
| 16:49.22 | enouf | as far as nvidia pkgs |
| 16:49.24 | Hammar | so right now there are two hardware SATA controller active: Intel ICH9 and Marvel 88XXXX. Why would the kernel decide to load the ata_piix module then? (ata_piix is for older Intel ICH IDE controllers) |
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| 16:49.37 | enouf | you might have the wrong ones or be missing the correct one |
| 16:49.44 | pablo | enouf: it is not working |
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| 16:50.02 | themill | p1ngp0ng: Aren't you running 2.6.24 now though? so you don't want a 2.6.18 modules package anyway |
| 16:50.04 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: did you ever apt-get update? |
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| 16:50.17 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: added the etchnhalf repo lines? |
| 16:50.32 | themill | enouf: there are no repo lines to add |
| 16:50.38 | p1ngp0ng | i now run etchnhalf amd64. 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 16:50.44 | enouf | pablo: sorry - more info needed i guess |
| 16:50.46 | p1ngp0ng | enouf: no i have not done that |
| 16:50.58 | p1ngp0ng | what is the url i need to add? |
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| 16:51.01 | pablo | enouf: like what info |
| 16:51.10 | enouf | i'm not sure |
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| 16:51.28 | wols | pablo: is X running? if so what under what uesr? under what user is your X client running you want to run? |
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| 16:52.40 | p1ngp0ng | all right, i think im going to go back to 2.6.18-6 and install nvidia driver the debian way, then go back to 2.6.24 and install the driver nvidia_post_etch driver. |
| 16:52.50 | dustybin | ive got some strange network problems, ive lost communication with my vserver guest, however, if im inside the vserver guest, and i ping to my laptop, the connection comes back, how odd |
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| 16:53.03 | wols | p1ngp0ng: not needed |
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| 16:53.17 | p1ngp0ng | oh? |
| 16:53.24 | enouf | pablo: update |
| 16:53.31 | enouf | not upgrade, update |
| 16:53.35 | enouf | pablo: sorry |
| 16:53.38 | enouf | not you |
| 16:53.45 | p1ngp0ng | wols: feel free to elaborate on that ^^ |
| 16:53.46 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: update |
| 16:53.54 | wols | !tell p1ngp0ng about errors |
| 16:54.00 | p1ngp0ng | apt-get update? |
| 16:54.10 | p1ngp0ng | then try again? the one-liner that is |
| 16:54.12 | dustybin | if i do a networking restart, where abouts does debian log? |
| 16:54.14 | enouf | yes p1ngp0ng |
| 16:54.21 | enouf | no p1ngp0ng |
| 16:54.23 | wols | p1ngp0ng: the one-liner will NOT work |
| 16:54.27 | pablo | wols: x is running under root i guess same as xdm. my gnome session is running under my user account. and i want to run an x app as root |
| 16:54.33 | wols | dustybin: syslog |
| 16:54.39 | dustybin | wols: thanks |
| 16:54.42 | enouf | p1ngp0ng: go to the wiki! |
| 16:54.52 | wols | pablo: X is running as root. your X session isn't. as what user is it running? |
| 16:54.53 | p1ngp0ng | bah, allright. |
| 16:55.02 | wols | !tell pablo about xauth |
| 16:55.14 | wols | p1ngp0ng: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 16:56.17 | \amethyst | pablo: you could also do ssh -Y root@localhost thexprogram |
| 16:56.39 | wols | \amethyst: -Y? |
| 16:56.45 | \amethyst | wols: trusted X forwarding |
| 16:56.46 | themill | !root x |
| 16:56.46 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
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| 16:57.45 | themill | \amethyst: isn't X probably better for this? |
| 16:57.56 | pablo | wols: my session is running under pablo user |
| 16:58.15 | wols | pablo: you've been given several ways to do what you want by now by several people |
| 16:58.23 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i got the 2.6.18-6-adm64 binary kernel modules installed |
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| 16:58.40 | wols | p1ngp0ng: I want the FULL output of the command |
| 16:59.08 | p1ngp0ng | ok, give me a couple of minutes. |
| 16:59.32 | wols | p1ngp0ng: if no nvidia-source is installed, install it asl enouf told you how |
| 16:59.37 | \amethyst | themill: possibly, but the security stuff -X does is AIUI more for protecting your local clients from the ssh X client than the other way around |
| 16:59.40 | wols | *it as |
| 17:00.17 | p1ngp0ng | i got the source, the nvidia binary kernel module source |
| 17:00.29 | themill | \amethyst: true. It just seems that -Y is a bad habit to get into. |
| 17:00.32 | datacrusher | http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
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| 17:00.43 | wols | p1ngp0ng: then pastebin the output |
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| 17:02.38 | sploozer | How do I create a samba share make it accessible without having users specify a username when they mount it up, if they don't specify a username it returns access denied... |
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| 17:06.53 | sploozer | any ideas? |
| 17:08.03 | p1ngp0ng | wols: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4f0173d5 |
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| 17:08.47 | wols | p1ngp0ng: what nvidia card do you have? |
| 17:08.57 | p1ngp0ng | 8600m gs |
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| 17:09.21 | wols | that won't work with this driver drivers. remove ALL those nvidia packages and follow the nvidia_lenny factoid |
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| 17:10.04 | wols | -drivers |
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| 17:11.20 | wols | p1ngp0ng: you must basically backpor the sid nvidia drivers if you want 3D |
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| 17:11.36 | p1ngp0ng | ok, i'll do that |
| 17:12.02 | p1ngp0ng | but how to i remove the current nvidia drivers? "aptitude purge nvidia"? |
| 17:12.07 | p1ngp0ng | do* |
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| 17:12.19 | wols | like any other package. aptitude purge <package name> |
| 17:12.23 | wols | for ALL of them |
| 17:12.55 | p1ngp0ng | allright, this is for etchnhalf only? |
| 17:13.09 | p1ngp0ng | or will this method work on etch aswell? |
| 17:13.35 | wols | it will work on etch as well and is needed since the drivers in etch itself are way too old for your hardware |
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| 17:13.53 | wols | back when they came out the 8600m did not exist so they have no support for it at all |
| 17:13.58 | Kovensky | how can I make gnome-terminal open links in iceweasel without having to install gnome-control-center? |
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| 17:14.16 | p1ngp0ng | wols: thanks wols. fingers crossed ;) |
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| 17:14.31 | cahoot | Kovensky: gconf-editor? |
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| 17:15.07 | Kovensky | stupid regedit =p |
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| 17:16.45 | themill | Kovensky: update-alternatives on the x-www-browser *should* work, but that depends on whether gnome is clever enough to use that value |
| 17:16.55 | Kovensky | themill: it isn't |
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| 17:17.11 | Kovensky | x-www-browser is already set |
| 17:17.18 | themill | :( |
| 17:17.23 | Kovensky | lxterminal used it, roxterm used it too; just gnome-terminal is being stubborn |
| 17:17.24 | themill | file a bug while you're at it then |
| 17:17.31 | Kovensky | gconf-editor worked |
| 17:17.42 | Kovensky | desktop->gnome->applications->browser |
| 17:17.48 | \amethyst | Kovensky: how about update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser ¿ |
| 17:17.57 | \amethyst | s/¿/?/ |
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| 17:18.26 | Kovensky | well, didn't work as I expected... |
| 17:18.30 | Kovensky | \amethyst: no such alternative |
| 17:18.57 | Kovensky | exec is set to "/usr/bin/iceweasel", but gnome-terminal still fails |
| 17:19.01 | themill | see #487862 for a rather underwhelming response. |
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| 17:20.07 | Fiskah | Can anyone give me a clue why ClamAV causes this load on my server? http://gw01.viaweb.biz/graph.png - Its not receiving any emails currently :) |
| 17:20.10 | Fiskah | There is nothing else running |
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| 17:21.14 | backdraft | Anyone know what the kernel version is on the unstable dvd iso? |
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| 17:21.39 | themill | there is no unstable dvd iso |
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| 17:21.59 | Kovensky | themill: the problem is, I don't want to install that capplet :( |
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| 17:22.04 | backdraft | There is testing, which isn't classed as stable so its unstable |
| 17:22.12 | dudeman | well |
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| 17:22.36 | dudeman | you can use the testing daily netboot image to install sid |
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| 17:22.54 | dudeman | if you really need to isntall sid directly, pass debconf_priority=low |
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| 17:23.06 | themill | backdraft: testing is not unstable. unstable is a completely different release |
| 17:23.07 | dudeman | you'll be prompted. |
| 17:23.12 | themill | dpkg: tell backdraft about releases |
| 17:23.18 | dudeman | themill, technically its not a release :) |
| 17:23.24 | themill | well... |
| 17:24.08 | themill | Kovensky: indeed. I'm hoping that you are going to add a comment to that bug that providing a capplet to change it is nice but why not just use x-www-browser to begin with (or indeed sensible-browser) since that's why these things are in debian. |
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| 17:24.45 | AstroBob | Hello... I have a USB-FloppyDrive on /dev/sda ... is it possible to $ ln -s /dev/sda (to) /dev/fd0 or other since i don't have a Floppy on "/dev/fd0 ? |
| 17:24.59 | Kovensky | themill: now at least I have a mailer =p |
| 17:25.08 | dudeman | alias less='most' |
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| 17:25.43 | wols | AstroBob: why not just edit your fstab? |
| 17:25.43 | dudeman | doh |
| 17:25.57 | Fiskah | I found out that my Clamav does a database reload every 2-6 hours. http://pastebin.com/m3c38df23 - Any idea how to prevent it? (it uses loooooads of cpu :) |
| 17:26.29 | AstroBob | wols like /dev/sda /dev/fd0 ... ... 0 0 ? |
| 17:26.48 | wols | AstroBob: no |
| 17:27.00 | wols | just replace the existing fd0 with sda |
| 17:27.10 | JyZyXEL | so whats a cool app to draw bandwith usage stats |
| 17:27.22 | AstroBob | wols ah ok ;D i will try that ;) |
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| 17:27.36 | JyZyXEL | and if someone says rrdtool ill murder them |
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| 17:28.05 | AstroBob | wols will this also work when sda is replaced with fd0 ---> /dev/fd0u1722 |
| 17:28.59 | wols | AstroBob: what do you mean? |
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| 17:29.53 | dudeman | hey |
| 17:30.39 | dudeman | those bmdma errors on sata stopped when I changed the ports on the mobo (i have 6 sata ports) and enabled ahci in bios |
| 17:30.42 | Kovensky | themill: what subject should I put on the reply? the mailto: link doesn't give a good one... |
| 17:30.46 | stevedondley | mysql version question: I'm running mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.32 but it's not playing nice with civicrm (won't install). civicrm people told me to upgrade mysql. how do I do that? |
| 17:30.48 | MariachiAC | hello, I am looking for a flavor of debian to install on my laptop, but that has some of hte latest updates. what should i install? |
| 17:30.50 | dudeman | weird... system has stopped locking up on file access |
| 17:30.55 | grand_grunt | I got a daemon (cupsys) having issues with the computer name, that is different from the one in /etc/hosts. I have changed the name in /etc/hostname too. Should I reboot to make the change take effect? |
| 17:30.55 | dudeman | Wyzard, ping |
| 17:32.07 | wols | MariachiAC: depends on the "updates" you want |
| 17:32.14 | themill | Kovensky: it doesn't matter too much. As you can see in the bts, the subject isn't of high importance. Put something useful in there for the benefit of the maintainer though. |
| 17:32.19 | wols | MariachiAC: go for etch+backports first |
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| 17:32.47 | wols | stevedondley: what version of debian? |
| 17:33.05 | stevedondley | wols: etch |
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| 17:33.17 | MariachiAC | wols: Ok, but what installer should I use. the debian 4.0 one? |
| 17:33.21 | wols | stevedondley: check if there are mysql backports /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:33.21 | stevedondley | wols: current stable |
| 17:33.29 | wols | MariachiAC: yes |
| 17:33.42 | themill | stevedondley: 5.0.51a-12~bpo40+1 is the version on backports.org |
| 17:33.49 | wols | stevedondley: if there aren't you either have to build your own or go to lenny |
| 17:34.04 | grand_grunt | No idea? |
| 17:34.11 | wols | MariachiAC: what hardware do you want to install to? ie what mainboard chipset? |
| 17:34.16 | stevedondley | ok, thanks guys |
| 17:34.29 | stevedondley | sounds like a job for my debian guru |
| 17:34.43 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i did the lenny way and everything went smooth, until i did startx. Error: API mismatch: This NVIDIA driver component has version 173.14.09, but the nvidia kernel module's does not match |
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| 17:34.49 | MariachiAC | Wols: Intel chipset, intel duo-core1.73 |
| 17:34.51 | wols | stevedondley: nah. backports.org is easy to use. read the instructions there |
| 17:34.59 | stevedondley | I know enough to be dangerous, upgraing mysql on a production server is too scary for me |
| 17:35.01 | wols | MariachiAC: _which_ intel chipset |
| 17:35.23 | wols | p1ngp0ng: then you installed the wrong kernel module package |
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| 17:35.42 | wols | p1ngp0ng: did you put deb-scr for sid in your sources.list? |
| 17:35.45 | stevedondley | wols: I've done it once before on my own home server, but I've fucked enough things up to not touch this on a production server |
| 17:35.46 | p1ngp0ng | yes |
| 17:35.58 | wols | p1ngp0ng: or get nvidia_graphics_driver from sid? |
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| 17:36.12 | p1ngp0ng | i added the sid to my resp |
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| 17:36.24 | p1ngp0ng | and i installed the nvidia-source*.deb |
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| 17:36.36 | wols | p1ngp0ng: that was wrong |
| 17:36.47 | raz | rubs his eyes |
| 17:36.47 | wols | I said deb-src, not just "sid repo" |
| 17:36.49 | scifi | hi guys, ive correctly entered my incoming/outgoing servers in evolution but the send/receive button is blanked out, whats going on?? |
| 17:37.10 | AstroBob | when i does this command i get this error: mkdosfs /dev/sda -I |
| 17:37.10 | AstroBob | mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 17:37.10 | AstroBob | mkdosfs: failed whilst writing root directory |
| 17:37.59 | wols | p1ngp0ng: grep deb-scr /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:38.05 | wols | p1ngp0ng: grep deb-src /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:38.46 | MariachiAC | wols: I'm not sure off hte chipset here in this laptop. I do know the model number of hte laptop though. |
| 17:38.50 | AstroBob | and ideas on my issue ^^^^ |
| 17:39.25 | wols | MariachiAC: I ask because newer chipsets might not be supported by standard etch kernel |
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| 17:39.30 | wols | !tell MariachiAC about atchnhalf |
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| 17:39.35 | wols | MariachiAC: etchnhalf should be fine tho |
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| 17:39.40 | themill | !typosmite wols |
| 17:39.41 | dpkg | makes wols raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 17:39.45 | wols | !tell MariachiAC about etchnhalf |
| 17:39.58 | MariachiAC | wols: Now, will thhe latest gnome be inported to backprots? |
| 17:40.04 | wols | MariachiAC: no |
| 17:40.18 | wols | MariachiAC: ând the "latest gnome" is not availeble in debian afaik |
| 17:40.50 | themill | !gnome status |
| 17:40.50 | dpkg | hmm... gnome status is shown by the Debian GNOME packaging team at http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/status.html |
| 17:41.05 | MariachiAC | Wols: Ok, but i guess it should be available sometime soon then. |
| 17:41.35 | MariachiAC | dpkg: thanks. |
| 17:41.35 | dpkg | MariachiAC: my pleasure |
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| 17:42.51 | AstroBob | when i does this command i get this error: # mkdosfs /dev/sda -I |
| 17:43.05 | AstroBob | mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 17:43.05 | AstroBob | mkdosfs: failed whilst writing root directory |
| 17:43.24 | dustybin | is it ok to delete entries inside: /etc/udev/rules.d ? will they automatically be reproduced when the system boots again? |
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| 17:43.40 | AstroBob | what can i do to avoid this error? |
| 17:43.48 | miksuh | wolalatest released gnome is in lenny (gnome 2.22) |
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| 17:44.08 | miksuh | wols: latest released gnome is in lenny (gnome 2.22) |
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| 17:46.08 | jaalto | Is is possible to give "title" for konqueror. Or change it's default background? |
| 17:46.34 | MariachiAC | can debian be installed thorugh ssh? |
| 17:46.37 | MariachiAC | through** |
| 17:46.52 | grand_grunt | MariachiAC: partially |
| 17:46.55 | miksuh | MariachiAC: As i just said gnome 2.22 is the latest released gnome version. And it IS in lenny. gnome 2.24 will be next gnome, but it is not released yet |
| 17:47.06 | cgibin | when i try to start the network it says SIOCSIFADDR: No Such device: |
| 17:47.18 | sharp15 | how do i convince logrotate to do it's job? i have a 253MB log file with entries from Dec. 6 of last year. |
| 17:47.37 | MariachiAC | miksuh: Ok. |
| 17:47.39 | grand_grunt | MariachiAC: typically, you can install the minimal system and ssh server, then continue through SSH. |
| 17:48.06 | MariachiAC | grand_gruunt: ok. What argument do I use at boot? |
| 17:48.37 | themill | jaalto: View -> Configure background |
| 17:49.05 | grand_grunt | MariachiAC: none. just install minimal system, and then "openssh-server" |
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| 17:49.48 | MariachiAC | Grand_grunt: Oh no... I can't do that since I'm blind. I could use brltty, but I don't have my braille display here with me. |
| 17:50.09 | grand_grunt | MariachiAC: hum, okay. excuse my mistake. |
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| 17:51.14 | MariachiAC | grand_grunt: No, that's ok. That's why I was wondering if I could install through ssh. |
| 17:53.03 | cgibin | here is the complete error message on network interface: http://debian.pastebin.com/m643e19d7 |
| 17:53.04 | Kovensky | themill: ok... will finish sending when I get back to my box (had to leave, I'm sshing to it) |
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| 17:53.31 | Kovensky | goes read the last week's lwn |
| 17:54.18 | grand_grunt | MariachiAC: The debian official website gives a solution: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot (if you can read it?) |
| 17:54.30 | MariachiAC | if ssh is not an option, is telnet? |
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| 17:55.24 | cgibin | any ideas? |
| 17:55.41 | wols | MariachiAC: serial console maybe |
| 17:56.52 | themill | MariachiAC: if you already have another linux on the machine, debootstrap can install debian over ssh. |
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| 17:58.26 | sixty6murph | is there an nxserver or nomachine specific channel? |
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| 17:58.56 | sharp15 | sixty6murph: did you ask ALIS ? |
| 18:00.07 | MariachiAC | themill: I have a grml live cd... That's the only thing. Is there some instructions I can look at? |
| 18:00.43 | sixty6murph | sharp15: no - who or what is ALIS? |
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| 18:01.15 | themill | sixty6murph: the correct way of asking is: "ALIS? WhoTF is ALIS?" |
| 18:01.27 | sharp15 | sixty6murph: ALIS is the bot that handles official channel listings for freenode. |
| 18:01.28 | ericpersson | Is there some tool to networkmanager that can maintain a ssh connection with some portforwards? |
| 18:02.09 | themill | MariachiAC: perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 18:02.11 | cgibin | any ideas? |
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| 18:02.27 | MariachiAC | themill: ok. |
| 18:02.42 | sixty6murph | grand. will do. |
| 18:03.02 | themill | sixty6murph: /msg alis list searchterms |
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| 18:03.44 | binrapt | When you code servers that run via inet.d you don't even need any threads or epoll or anything? |
| 18:03.45 | sharp15 | or /msg ALIS help |
| 18:03.58 | Black_Cat | guys i need help. is there any way to make kate open another document in existing instance of the editor instead of starting another instance? etch/i386 if it's necessary. |
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| 18:04.39 | sharp15 | Black_Cat: it should do that by default. unless you're actually using kwrite. |
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| 18:05.09 | themill | sharp15: doesn't here... |
| 18:05.24 | Black_Cat | i'm sure it's kate. does "by default" mean this behavior can be altered? |
| 18:05.33 | themill | Black_Cat: I'm sure there will be a dcop call for that. Run kdcop to explore the interfaces. You can call dcop from the command line. |
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| 18:05.57 | Black_Cat | okay, thank you themill, i'll try and let you know |
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| 18:06.14 | sharp15 | themill: then what does it do? |
| 18:06.33 | cgibin | any ideas? |
| 18:06.39 | themill | sharp15: starts a new instance of kate, asking which session to open |
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| 18:07.06 | AstroBob | is it possible to add a usb device to grub ? |
| 18:07.18 | themill | sharp15: selecting the already running session doesn't help |
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| 18:07.59 | u_07 | What is a good package to get in order for me to play .mp3 files? My soundcard is working fine and I can play .wav files. I don't have an internet connection. |
| 18:08.00 | sharp15 | themill: so you mean from the command-line or external program. not clicking the "open" button in the interface. |
| 18:08.04 | themill | Black_Cat: fwiw, I normally deal with this just by opening files from within kate using the sidebar file browser or drag+drop out of konqueror onto the kate window. |
| 18:08.24 | themill | sharp15: yeah, that's right |
| 18:08.44 | Black_Cat | themill: for me it's much more comfortable to use kate as a file editor for krusader |
| 18:08.55 | Black_Cat | this is why i need that trick |
| 18:09.00 | sharp15 | then he must've asked about this before. |
| 18:09.02 | Black_Cat | and no dcops available... |
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| 18:09.24 | keith4 | can someone point me in the right direction for implementing QoS for VoIP packets in my debian router? |
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| 18:10.24 | stew | keith4: look at the script that comes with the wondershaper package, and http://lartc.org |
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| 18:12.12 | themill | Black_Cat: there is a dcop interface. I just did: dcop kate-26350 KateDocumentManager openURL $(pwd)/filename.txt "" (the "" is important) and it worked ok. |
| 18:12.44 | Black_Cat | hm... okay... |
| 18:13.30 | jair | hello guys |
| 18:13.43 | Black_Cat | i was looking for plain "kate" and it's "3646" ;) |
| 18:13.44 | keith4 | stew: ok. thanks |
| 18:13.45 | AstroBob | is it possible to add a usb device to grub ? |
| 18:13.45 | AstroBob | i think i went offline |
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| 18:13.55 | themill | Black_Cat: working out what target to use for the dcop call might be harder to do though. 26350 is the process id. Ask the guys in #kde or in #kate for more help on this. |
| 18:14.05 | p1ngp0ng | wols: sorry. i was needed elsewhere for a while. i did add the entire url to sources.list. and i did get nvidia_graphics_drivers. however i installed the *nvidia-kernel*source*.deb (thats the part thats wrong i believe) im gonna try and install nvidia-kernel-source according to my uname -r now |
| 18:14.22 | sharp15 | can a debian box have an encrypted root without involving lvm? |
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| 18:14.28 | themill | Black_Cat: if you had more than one kate open, then each dcop target needs its own unique identifier. hence the process id. |
| 18:15.02 | keith4 | stew: seems largely out of date, no? |
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| 18:15.36 | Black_Cat | but this id is probably different every time i start the editor, should i launch dcop over and over again? |
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| 18:16.43 | AstroBob | i have to ask this again since i have been disconnected : Is it possible to add a USB-Device to grub ? |
| 18:17.34 | stew | keith4: which part? |
| 18:17.55 | jelly | AstroBob: if your BIOS can see it, likely |
| 18:18.00 | keith4 | the documentation on the lartc site |
| 18:18.18 | keith4 | or did you actually mean to *just* look at the qos script in the package? |
| 18:18.19 | stew | keith4: which part? |
| 18:18.31 | AstroBob | I have a LiveCD image that i would like to cp to a usb device and boot to it. |
| 18:18.40 | themill | Black_Cat: it will change each time yes. But you could programatically work out what it is with something like KATE=$(dcop | grep kate |head -1) |
| 18:18.43 | AstroBob | jelly ah ok, i hope :D |
| 18:18.54 | stew | keith4: i don't think there have been major changes in the kernel's qos in a long time |
| 18:18.57 | themill | Black_Cat: there are other more elegant session finding calls too. |
| 18:19.08 | keith4 | stew: the example of a nat setup with QoS part. references to 2.4 kernel and such. |
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| 18:19.21 | stew | keith4: it all should still apply |
| 18:19.30 | keith4 | okay. thanks again |
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| 18:20.49 | Black_Cat | ok thanks themill, that's good guidance for me now, i'll dig in that direction |
| 18:21.46 | themill | Black_Cat: have fun... but do ask the kate people directly and filing a wishlist bug on the kde bug tracker if it's not already implemented. |
| 18:22.21 | Black_Cat | i sure will do |
| 18:22.26 | Black_Cat | *surely |
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| 18:23.49 | thingy | Has anyone here been running unstable for long periods of time? |
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| 18:24.09 | thingy | umm as their main desktop machine! |
| 18:24.12 | maligor | sure |
| 18:24.40 | maligor | 8 years possibly |
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| 18:24.53 | maligor | might be a bit less |
| 18:25.35 | thingy | maligor: can you confirm that unstable doesn't ever freeze its state and become a release and the sources.list don't need to be updated ever to continue being at the bleeding edge |
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| 18:25.58 | maligor | unstable?-) |
| 18:26.08 | maligor | Debian releases unstable?-) |
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| 18:26.13 | maligor | I guess you mean sid |
| 18:26.25 | thingy | maligor: yes |
| 18:26.33 | maligor | but yes, sid is unstable, and as far as I know, will be so |
| 18:26.45 | thingy | maligor: for ever? |
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| 18:26.56 | maligor | releasing a release called 'unstable' would be ridiculous |
| 18:27.12 | thingy | maligor: ugh...bad choice of words on my part |
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| 18:27.15 | raz | rubs his eyes |
| 18:27.29 | maligor | I don't think there's any plans to change the codeword for unstable |
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| 18:28.03 | stew | sid is always unstable, and is never frozen |
| 18:28.22 | maligor | stew, infinity is a long time ;) |
| 18:28.41 | thingy | I was thinknig along the lines of infinity and beyod! :-) |
| 18:28.46 | thingy | thinking* |
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| 18:28.58 | thingy | ack and beyond* |
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| 18:30.18 | maligor | you can always use 'unstable' instead of 'sid' |
| 18:30.37 | maligor | if you fear that the policy on sid might for some reason change |
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| 18:31.11 | dustybin | ive tried everything, i removed the udev entry for my interfaces, restarted so it created that file again, however whenever i /etc/init.d/networking restart, i lose my dual NIC and my network, all whats left is lo. |
| 18:31.33 | maligor | thingy, I hope you've used debian before tho, unstable isn't unknown to have varying degrees of package breakage |
| 18:31.50 | maligor | err.. I mean is known |
| 18:32.46 | thingy | maligor: I have used debian before and I am considering the risks of switching to sid today |
| 18:33.27 | unfo | dpkg: smart-questions =~ s/$/ The essay is rude and the rudeness does not apply to you but the essay has helpful advice. See also http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 18:33.27 | dpkg | unfo: what are you talking about? |
| 18:33.36 | thingy | dusty_: could it be unloading the modules for your nics? |
| 18:33.41 | unfo | all: did I just use =~ wrong? |
| 18:33.53 | dustybin | thingy: i dunno |
| 18:34.05 | dustybin | if it restarts, it should re-load them? |
| 18:34.14 | dustybin | its a dual intel NIC |
| 18:34.18 | bartosz_ | hi |
| 18:34.19 | thingy | dustybin: can you repeat what the problem was as I just joined |
| 18:34.20 | bartosz_ | whassup |
| 18:34.24 | bartosz_ | man |
| 18:34.29 | dustybin | whenever i restart my networking with /etc/init.d/networking restart, i lose my dual NIC and my network, why does that happen? No errors are reported |
| 18:34.33 | maligor | thingy, well, it is relatively rare that anything big breaks |
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| 18:35.40 | dustybin | i removed the udev 70-persistent-net.rules file, restarted, but no joy |
| 18:36.31 | thingy | dustybin: umm so you boot up your machine, eth0 and eth1 are fine and functional, you issue a /etc/init.d/network restart and they don't appear in the output of a "ifconfig -a" command? |
| 18:36.54 | unfo | dpkg: smart-questions ~= s/$/ The essay is rude and the rudeness does not apply to you but the essay has helpful advice. See also http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html |
| 18:36.55 | dpkg | unfo: that's too long |
| 18:36.59 | unfo | awww.... |
| 18:37.10 | cgibin | here is the complete error message on network interface: http://debian.pastebin.com/m643e19d7 |
| 18:37.55 | unfo | dpkg: smart-questions ~= s/$/ The essay is rude and the rudeness does not apply to you but the essay has helpful advice. See also !report-bugs |
| 18:37.55 | dpkg | that's too long, unfo |
| 18:37.58 | dustybin | thingy: the problem was because i didnt have auth eth0 and auto eth1 inside my /etc/network/interfaces !!!!! |
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| 18:38.05 | dustybin | auto |
| 18:38.13 | xand | :P |
| 18:38.27 | unfo | dpkg: smart-questions ~= s/$/ Please ignore the essay's rudeness but just treat it as kindly advice. See also !report-bugs |
| 18:38.27 | dpkg | unfo: You are moron #5 |
| 18:39.19 | Black_Cat | :)) |
| 18:39.30 | dustybin | xand saved the day :-) |
| 18:39.33 | p1ngp0ng | wols? |
| 18:39.43 | p1ngp0ng | wols: ? |
| 18:39.46 | unfo | dpkg: forget smart-questions |
| 18:39.47 | dpkg | unfo: i forgot smart-questions |
| 18:39.50 | unfo | dpkg: smart-questions is See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before ; it is rude but please ignore the rudeness and just take the helpful advice. Or see !report-bugs |
| 18:39.50 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 18:39.51 | dustybin | what does 'wols' mean in computer terms? |
| 18:40.06 | stew | unfo: you are changing the wrong factoid |
| 18:40.12 | thingy | wake on lan signal? |
| 18:40.20 | unfo | stew: which was the right factoid? |
| 18:40.24 | stew | unfo: smart questions |
| 18:40.30 | unfo | let me look |
| 18:40.32 | stew | unfo: http://dpkg.vireo.org/smart-questions |
| 18:40.41 | xand | dustybin: fast? |
| 18:40.48 | stew | dpkg: no smart-questions is <reply> see smart questions |
| 18:40.48 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:40.48 | dustybin | does it? |
| 18:41.29 | xand | the opposite of slow ;P |
| 18:41.31 | unfo | dpkg: forget smart questions |
| 18:41.33 | xand | ask wols what it means |
| 18:41.59 | unfo | dpkg: no, smart questions is See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before ; it is rude but please ignore the rudeness and just take the helpful advice. Or see !report-bugs |
| 18:41.59 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
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| 18:42.20 | p1ngp0ng | its from the nvidia-kernel-source the kernel modules is created right? |
| 18:42.20 | stew | !forget no, smart questions |
| 18:42.20 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'no, smart questions' to forget |
| 18:42.42 | unfo | dpkg: report-bugs is "See How to Report Bugs Effectively" at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html for better results. |
| 18:42.42 | dpkg | unfo: okay |
| 18:43.18 | xingu | I'd go for wankered on lager spritzers |
| 18:43.26 | unfo | stew: the bot had told me "will not delete 'smart questions', count > limit (824 > 100) use 'no, ' instead." So I did. |
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| 18:43.42 | unfo | all: btw how's the factoid change I did? better? worse? |
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| 18:44.01 | unfo | old factoid was: |
| 18:44.07 | p1ngp0ng | god damnit! |
| 18:44.09 | unfo | "Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts." |
| 18:44.10 | p1ngp0ng | tears hair out |
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| 18:46.13 | sharp15 | p1ngp0ng: don't do that. it may not grow back. :P |
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| 18:46.47 | simonrvn | only for some people... |
| 18:47.00 | Black_Cat | themill: i've actually did ;) my mistake was that i didn't take a look at kate --help in first place, the --u key does exactly the thing i need ;) thanks for the support anyways! |
| 18:47.26 | keith4 | when did etch go stable? |
| 18:47.48 | simonrvn | a long time ago |
| 18:47.51 | beardy | You can look that up yourself. debian.org |
| 18:48.04 | xand | april 2007 |
| 18:48.07 | Black_Cat | keith4: 8 apr 2007 |
| 18:48.12 | keith4 | xand: Black_Cat thanks |
| 18:48.16 | unfo | keith4: etch and a half is newer. |
| 18:48.30 | p1ngp0ng | im trying to build the nvidia kernel module from the source using the lenny way, but the module fails at build. im trying to do this on etchnhalf amd64. Error 1: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.c:102: error: expected *=* ,*,* ;*;, asm or __attributes__ before * token |
| 18:48.34 | keith4 | unfo: so? |
| 18:48.36 | DimmuR | is it possible to see what settings change |
| 18:48.44 | DimmuR | is it possible to see what settings are changed by nm-applet? |
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| 18:49.00 | et | wols: the stage1 file is there (in x64_... instead, but it's there) |
| 18:49.37 | Black_Cat | unfo: is that the same as 4.0r4? |
| 18:50.03 | unfo | Black_Cat: yes |
| 18:50.14 | p1ngp0ng | as humble as i can be, i ask now for someone to convo me and be kind and guide me through installing the nvidia driver on etchnhalf amd64 |
| 18:50.24 | unfo | keith4: just pointing it out in case you didn't know etchnhalf existed :) |
| 18:50.54 | simonrvn | p1ngp0ng: easiest is /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 18:51.05 | p1ngp0ng | i've tried all that |
| 18:51.11 | et | simonrvn: doesn't work for lenny. hasn't for ages |
| 18:51.30 | p1ngp0ng | i have tried nvidia, nvidia one-liner, nvidia_lenny1 |
| 18:51.33 | p1ngp0ng | and 2 |
| 18:51.35 | p1ngp0ng | :P |
| 18:51.52 | simonrvn | so? you get the source package, build it, and install that |
| 18:52.02 | unfo | i found a much politer reference for smart-questions. |
| 18:52.06 | unfo | dpkg: smart-questions |
| 18:52.06 | dpkg | well, smart questions is See http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before ; it is rude but please ignore the rudeness and just take the helpful advice. Or see !report-bugs |
| 18:52.22 | unfo | dpkg: no, smart-questions is See http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html for how to ask questions more effectively. Or see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before but it's a bit rude. Please ignore the rudeness. |
| 18:52.22 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 18:52.28 | p1ngp0ng | and the reason im in this shithole atm, is becuase i just wanted my speakers to turn off when plugging in my headst jack |
| 18:53.15 | simonrvn | i liked the original one, but whateva |
| 18:53.20 | beardy | Me too. |
| 18:53.42 | simonrvn | people need to laugh a bit... |
| 18:54.00 | Black_Cat | damn. another trouble. some manpages (e.g. man aptitude) shows things like \fBsearch\fR instead of making words bold. any clues? |
| 18:54.08 | beardy | Oh, still on about that? |
| 18:54.09 | p1ngp0ng | i could need a good laugh right about now |
| 18:54.15 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 18:54.15 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 18:54.15 | beardy | p1ngp0ng: Just unplug your speakers. |
| 18:54.27 | p1ngp0ng | beardy: thats not that easy on a laptop |
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| 18:54.52 | segers_j | unfo: generally the person getting the smart questions factoid has just finished making an ass of himself, but being polite in return is definately the higher moral ground, thank you. |
| 18:54.58 | beardy | p1ngp0ng: What kind of an idiot company doesn't mute speakers when headphones are plugged in? |
| 18:55.01 | simonrvn | Black_Cat ^^^ |
| 18:55.02 | p1ngp0ng | strange how everyone assumes i got a desktop |
| 18:55.10 | beardy | Why is that strange? |
| 18:55.10 | p1ngp0ng | acer? |
| 18:55.18 | beardy | Never heard of such a stupid behavior. |
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| 18:55.23 | beardy | Right. |
| 18:55.30 | Black_Cat | simonrvn: you mean the "bts" line was for me? thanks ;) |
| 18:55.33 | simonrvn | p1ngp0ng: you have to have a desktop, it's the law now |
| 18:55.39 | simonrvn | Black_Cat: yes |
| 18:55.43 | zinx | p1ngp0ng: i've heard of that problem with alsa... i've seen several people fix it by installing the commercial OSS drivers from 4front :x |
| 18:55.53 | segers_j | err definitely |
| 18:55.59 | Black_Cat | simonrvn: but i haven't got a slightest idea how to find those symptoms |
| 18:56.01 | stew | Black_Cat: that bug in the aptitude manpage has been fixed (but not in stable) |
| 18:56.10 | Black_Cat | stew: ah ok |
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| 18:56.21 | p1ngp0ng | zinx: can i apt-get it? or do i need to compile it? |
| 18:56.25 | simonrvn | Black_Cat: bugs.debian.org/packagename easy |
| 18:56.26 | Black_Cat | it's enough for me to know it's a bug and that it wasn't i did something ;) |
| 18:56.34 | zinx | p1ngp0ng: no on both counts, i suspect |
| 18:56.39 | simonrvn | no, not your fault ;) |
| 18:57.01 | p1ngp0ng | ahh well, im gonna give that a try then |
| 18:57.25 | Black_Cat | simonrvn: one last thing i don't get - it should be "aptitude" or "man" for packagename? |
| 18:57.26 | stew | p1ngp0ng: if its snd-hda-intel, that bug is fixed in later versions of alsa, i'd think the etchnhalf kernel has it fixed. if not the bpo kernel should |
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| 18:57.42 | simonrvn | Black_Cat: aptitude |
| 18:57.49 | Black_Cat | thanks indeed ;) |
| 18:58.12 | p1ngp0ng | stew: yes, i know. that is why i upgraded to etchnhalf. but the problem is, i cant install the nvidia driver on it |
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| 18:58.26 | p1ngp0ng | and frankly, it is really pissing me the hell off |
| 18:58.30 | simonrvn | many software sources have groff files for their manuals (mind my grammar) |
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| 19:01.12 | beardy | p1ngp0ng: Seems many laptops are crappy like that. |
| 19:01.20 | p1ngp0ng | when i go through the nvidia_lenny1&2 howto, i get stuck at building the kernel module. and i cant get into x to pastebin it |
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| 19:01.39 | p1ngp0ng | beardy: craptop over deskcrap tbh |
| 19:01.45 | simonrvn | x? pastebin? |
| 19:02.00 | zinx | p1ngp0ng: deskcraps are far more rare |
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| 19:02.04 | simonrvn | *cough* w3m + gpm *cough* |
| 19:02.05 | stew | beardy: crappy becuase they have nvidia cards? |
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| 19:03.26 | p1ngp0ng | so, does anyone have alot of spare time atm? please feel free to msg me and get me out of this annoying problem |
| 19:04.08 | beardy | p1ngp0ng: I'm sure you've seen this already? In /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, have "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop" |
| 19:04.16 | beardy | stew: If that is the reason, then yes. |
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| 19:05.00 | p1ngp0ng | no, i just want to install a working nvidia driver for etchnhalf. but thanks, i will try that when all else has failed |
| 19:05.13 | beardy | p1ngp0ng: That is for your audio. |
| 19:05.24 | JyZyXEL | http://martybugs.net/linux/rrdtool/traffic.cgi anyone know why taht doesn't work with etch? |
| 19:05.24 | p1ngp0ng | yeh, figured that much |
| 19:05.30 | stew | beardy: the reason he is having trouble installing nvidia drivers? yes. if you mean his sound problem, its not expected that the sound drivers in the kernel are going to be completely bug free for sound cards which are released after the kernel is released |
| 19:05.35 | JyZyXEL | its the only rrdtool bandwidth logger out there |
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| 19:06.14 | p1ngp0ng | now, something fails at building the nvidia kernel module. i assume that the nvidia kernel source im using is wrong |
| 19:06.26 | beardy | stew: I mean the reason why manufacturers use software to mute speakers when the headphones jack is used. |
| 19:06.45 | stew | beardy: so that you have the option of not doing it |
| 19:06.57 | p1ngp0ng | 173.14.09-5 is the nvidia kernel source i have atm |
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| 19:07.22 | p1ngp0ng | and it fails at building |
| 19:08.01 | p1ngp0ng | i got it using dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb - is that wrong for etchnhalf? |
| 19:08.08 | grand_grunt | Arf. I am installing the driver for a CUPS shared printer. It is installed on the server, not on the client. |
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| 19:08.26 | grand_grunt | The HPLIP driver asks to re-plug it.. |
| 19:08.40 | grand_grunt | And KDE does not list the driver :s |
| 19:08.51 | p1ngp0ng | anyone? please :( |
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| 19:09.42 | beardy | stew: Ok. Is it bright side day today? |
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| 19:11.25 | beardy | Let's just add hardware to the sns factoid and do something else. |
| 19:11.38 | p1ngp0ng | how do i list all nvidia-kernel-source.deb's? |
| 19:11.48 | simonrvn | !do beardy |
| 19:11.48 | dpkg | wouldn't dream of doing beardy |
| 19:11.59 | p1ngp0ng | that is avaiable for download that is |
| 19:12.02 | simonrvn | OUCH! |
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| 19:12.12 | simonrvn | !do me |
| 19:12.12 | dpkg | refuses to do simonrvn |
| 19:12.27 | simonrvn | sorry, i'll behave now =) |
| 19:12.32 | p1ngp0ng | !do god |
| 19:12.32 | dpkg | wonders why they should do god |
| 19:12.44 | murasame | re |
| 19:12.46 | segers_j | p1ngp0ng: It's been a long time, but when I got the nvidia kernel working (around 2.4.18 ish) I grabbed the kernel source from kernel.org, and the nvidia part from them to match, and did everything nvidia related manually, following the instructions with the nvidia stuff after I'd made a custom kernel package. |
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| 19:13.37 | micols | how do i recover some files i deleted off my filesystem using rm files*.ext ? |
| 19:13.40 | micols | they have not been overwritten |
| 19:14.03 | p1ngp0ng | segers_j: thanks. but im not that good at manual stuff (yet) :P but i'll give it a go |
| 19:14.12 | simonrvn | we usually recommend people to do that "the debian way", but as a last resort i suppose p1ngp0ng could do that. |
| 19:14.38 | beardy | !undelete |
| 19:14.38 | dpkg | [undeleting] Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html, With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 19:14.52 | grand_grunt | HP sucks. I have to plug the distant printer so as to install its pilots for CUPS sharing.. :s |
| 19:15.52 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: actually somehting that might be beneficial is for you to pastebin /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.c into a pastebin that shows line numbers |
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| 19:19.33 | cgibin | ANY IDEAS? interface: http://debian.pastebin.com/m643e19d7 |
| 19:19.53 | abrotman | eth0 doesn't exist |
| 19:20.02 | cgibin | i know that |
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| 19:20.16 | abrotman | do you have a NIC in the machine? |
| 19:20.47 | cgibin | sure do, i installed this new kernel, on 18 works whe i try to boot to 16 connection says that |
| 19:21.24 | pinnen | cgibin: what does ifconfig -a tell you? |
| 19:21.38 | cgibin | thank you |
| 19:21.42 | cgibin | let me paste in a pastebin |
| 19:22.00 | beardy | cgibin: Also paste /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules please. |
| 19:22.18 | cgibin | thank you |
| 19:22.27 | et | wols: fyi, i've given up on the lvm experiment, works like a charm without it |
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| 19:25.48 | cgibin | http://debian.pastebin.com/m7a68552e |
| 19:26.35 | beardy | cgibin: Do you know if that is your cards MAC address? |
| 19:26.55 | cgibin | sure is, i checked |
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| 19:27.41 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: http://debian.pastebin.com/m1e08d57d |
| 19:27.51 | p1ngp0ng | my nv.c file |
| 19:28.19 | beardy | cgibin: Have you used the card before? Do you know if it's functioning? |
| 19:28.26 | cgibin | yes |
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| 19:28.33 | cgibin | when i boot to old kernel network works |
| 19:28.40 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: what's uname -r report? |
| 19:28.42 | cgibin | on this new kernel that i make it didnt |
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| 19:29.00 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 19:29.51 | Ab3l_ | hi |
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| 19:30.21 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: you need to replace at line 102 - "static kmem_cache_t "... with "static struct kmem_cache "... |
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| 19:30.27 | nadio | What init script does debian use ? |
| 19:30.32 | nadio | compared to rc-update ? |
| 19:30.45 | wols | nadio: sys-v |
| 19:30.47 | Ab3l_ | i've set iptable to share internet among lan users it works nice but how do i "open" a port as it would in a router? mean users can actually do everything but play a game called age of empires |
| 19:30.48 | nadio | ok thanks |
| 19:30.52 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: seems odd that this patch isn't in the debianised driver source already |
| 19:31.03 | wols | nadio: update-rc.d |
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| 19:31.20 | bogo | hey there, I've got 8gb of ram, should I download i386 lenny or ia64? |
| 19:31.28 | Guerin | yes |
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| 19:31.29 | wols | Ab3l_: how are you doing NAT? ipmasq? |
| 19:31.31 | nadio | wols: What is the command/binary? |
| 19:31.39 | wols | nadio: I told you |
| 19:31.45 | wols | bogo: you do not want ia64 |
| 19:31.45 | Spec | so, anyone have any suggestions for an irc server? right now we're using an old version of dancer, but i see there's lots of choices in the repository |
| 19:31.56 | nadio | wols: update-rc.d doesnt work for some reason |
| 19:31.57 | arcsky | if i got alot of files wich include the char "ä" and i want that to be replace with "a". how do i do that? |
| 19:32.00 | wols | !tell Spec about polls |
| 19:32.00 | stew | bogo: amd64 not ia64 |
| 19:32.01 | bogo | wols: so i386 that is, cheers |
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| 19:32.11 | wols | !tell nadio about doesn't work |
| 19:32.13 | nadio | bogo: 32bit is limited to 4gig, so 64bit is more suitable. |
| 19:32.25 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: thank you :) so after i have editied that, i can proceed building the module from the kernel source? |
| 19:32.28 | bogo | nadio: so amd64? even if I have intel cpu? |
| 19:32.32 | Spec | wols: asking for suggestions is the same thing as polling? |
| 19:32.42 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: you can always try |
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| 19:32.52 | stew | nadio: yes, your intel cpu implements the amd64 instruction set. you don't have an ia64, that is a completely different thing |
| 19:33.04 | nadio | bogo: Yes if its supports, 64bit, amd* part is just a name thing nothing todo that is amd specific. |
| 19:33.09 | wols | xingu: he is using etch and m-a will download nvidia source from etch when he runs it. it probably already has |
| 19:33.21 | nadio | bogo: Was because they where first with 64bit. |
| 19:33.26 | Ab3l_ | wols: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:33.27 | Ab3l_ | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 19:33.27 | Ab3l_ | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:33.27 | Ab3l_ | /sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $IP -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.1 |
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| 19:33.28 | wols | p1ngp0ng: what nvidia files do you have installed right now? |
| 19:33.32 | bogo | nadio: thx |
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| 19:33.48 | wols | Ab3l_: use ipmasq |
| 19:34.01 | nadio | bogo: This applies to x86 CPUs don't know specific about others, thing may be different. |
| 19:34.10 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i got lots of stuff from a failed atempt. i ended up installing the driver off the nvidia site. |
| 19:34.30 | wols | p1ngp0ng: have fun solving your own problems then goodybe. or ask #nvidia about it, not us |
| 19:34.36 | nadio | wols: How do I list, all boot up processes for init ? |
| 19:34.43 | Ab3l_ | wols but i can't do adding a rule in iptable ? |
| 19:34.50 | wols | Ab3l_: you can |
| 19:34.59 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i dont want it that way tho. i just did it so i can browse website etc. |
| 19:35.02 | wols | nadio: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 19:35.08 | p1ngp0ng | wols: i want it the debian way |
| 19:35.18 | wols | p1ngp0ng: I don't care. you made your bed now you lie in it. goodbye |
| 19:35.19 | nadio | thanks |
| 19:35.26 | beardy | cgibin: Did you compile it yourself? |
| 19:35.34 | p1ngp0ng | wols: well thanks, i guess |
| 19:35.35 | Sling | i have some trouble with the rt2860 module on my eeepc 901 |
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| 19:36.01 | Sling | if i enable the interface with its acpi-shortkey, errors pop up in dmesg |
| 19:36.10 | Sling | Failed to register slot because of name collision |
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| 19:37.41 | wols | !eeepc |
| 19:37.41 | dpkg | eee is, like, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
| 19:38.03 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: actually "static void *nv_pte_t_cache = NULL;" is the correct substitution |
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| 19:38.52 | wols | xingu: I kinda doubt nvidia drivers aren't working out of the box for a .24 kernel |
| 19:39.04 | wols | that kernel is way too old to not work comparatively |
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| 19:39.13 | beardy | cgibin: If you did, you probably forgot to include support for your NIC. |
| 19:39.24 | mohadib_ | is mirrors.kernel.org slow for anyone else (for apt repo) ? |
| 19:39.42 | Guerin | mohadib_: no. |
| 19:39.47 | mohadib_ | hmm |
| 19:40.04 | Sling | wols: yea im in there already, thought id try here |
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| 19:42.28 | xingu | wols: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=698827fa9f45019df1609bb686bc51c94e127fbc |
| 19:42.31 | a-9 | May someone tell something about what happens here that I am not able to download this theme ? |
| 19:42.34 | a-9 | http://ubuntu.hamdi.web.id/themes/complete-green-theme-pack.html |
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| 19:42.57 | xingu | wols: I don't have a reference copy of the 173.x driver around to check; it's fixed in 177.x |
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| 19:44.53 | SpeCon | hello proftpd is installed on my debian. How can i remove this from my server ? |
| 19:44.54 | xingu | wols: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=95296 posts #15, #22 as cites from the nvidia side; it's totally possible that p1ngp0ng is building some hideously old nvidia-kernel-source though if he's mixing and matching m-a with the upstream .run packages |
| 19:45.12 | xingu | wols: either way it's all fairly uninteresting to both of us I'm sure ;) |
| 19:46.23 | raz | rubs his eyes |
| 19:46.37 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: what does grep -DNV_KERNEL_VERSION_STRING /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/Makefile.nvidia say? |
| 19:46.42 | xingu | err |
| 19:46.49 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: what does grep -- -DNV_KERNEL_VERSION_STRING /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/Makefile.nvidia say? |
| 19:47.14 | xingu | 3rd time lucky |
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| 19:47.20 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: what does grep -- -DNV_VERSION_STRING /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/Makefile.nvidia say? |
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| 19:48.34 | Sling | Failed to register slot because of name collision. Try 'pciehp_slot_with_bus' module option |
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| 19:48.43 | Sling | where/how do i enable that option |
| 19:49.04 | Sling | rt2860 driver |
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| 19:50.48 | stew | Sling: modprobe -r rt2860 ; modprobe rt2860 pciehp_slot_with_bus=1 ; if that works, you can enable that option permanangly in /etc/modprobe.d (man modprobe.conf) |
| 19:51.00 | Sling | k one sec |
| 19:51.38 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: it sais nothing |
| 19:52.00 | p1ngp0ng | sorry for the late reply, i finally fixed my initial problem (the sound) :) |
| 19:52.04 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: how about grep -- -DNV_VERSION_STRING /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/Makefile.nvidia |
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| 19:52.33 | p1ngp0ng | grep: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/Makefile.nvidia: No such file or directory |
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| 19:53.11 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: do you have Makefile.nvidia anywhere under /usr/src/modules? |
| 19:53.12 | Sling | hm module not found, its probably called something else |
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| 19:54.43 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: yes |
| 19:55.19 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: there will be a line at the start that defines -DNV_VERSION_STRING=... - what is the ...? |
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| 19:56.38 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: http://debian.pastebin.com/m30a9067b |
| 19:56.45 | p1ngp0ng | those are all the makefiles on my system |
| 19:56.50 | p1ngp0ng | from nvidia that is |
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| 19:57.12 | p1ngp0ng | which one do i check for the definition of DNV_VERSION_STRING? |
| 19:57.22 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: try find /usr/src/modules -name Makefile.nvidia |
| 19:57.50 | p1ngp0ng | found it |
| 19:58.40 | p1ngp0ng | -DNV_MAJOR_VERSION=1 -DNV_MINOR_VERSION=0 |
| 19:59.40 | p1ngp0ng | -DNV_PATCHLEVEL=8776 |
| 19:59.43 | p1ngp0ng | INCLUDES=-I. |
| 19:59.47 | xingu | right |
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| 20:00.03 | xingu | that driver is _not_ v173.x source |
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| 20:00.30 | p1ngp0ng | so thats why the build fails huh? |
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| 20:00.40 | p1ngp0ng | it's trying to build the module out of the wrong driver version? |
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| 20:00.44 | xingu | yes, it's hideously ancient (8776) |
| 20:01.35 | p1ngp0ng | so i need the correct driver version (installed/source) and have the module builder make the module out of it? |
| 20:02.24 | xingu | that's the general idea; in the debian world the nvidia-kernel-source package versionned as-per the nvidia-glx blob (and xorg shim driver) go fist in glove |
| 20:02.27 | p1ngp0ng | hates the feeling of beeing so stupid that he pisses people off :P |
| 20:03.18 | xingu | I can't comment about what you've done so far locally, but the goal would be to install nvidia-kernel-source of a given driver release, then build the kernel module/shim, then install the nvidia-glx xorg shim + blob. |
| 20:03.57 | xingu | if you've not done that, then you get to figure out how to unpick what you have actually done if you decide to do so |
| 20:04.19 | p1ngp0ng | well, so far i've been following the directions give by dpkg's "nvidia one-liner" and nvidia_lenny1&2" |
| 20:04.42 | p1ngp0ng | yes, i want it the debian way. |
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| 20:06.22 | p1ngp0ng | hmm, so i guess where shit hits the fan is when i do dpkg -i *nvidia-kernel-source*.deb (which accroing to nvidia_lenny2) is what i need to do |
| 20:06.42 | xingu | apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source will tell you where you are at the moment |
| 20:06.46 | p1ngp0ng | but the i wonder, how do i get the correct nvidia kernel source |
| 20:07.35 | p1ngp0ng | http://debian.pastebin.com/mf3e858e |
| 20:07.59 | xingu | that's what the apt-get -b source ... is all about |
| 20:08.03 | xingu | it builds it... |
| 20:08.10 | p1ngp0ng | aah |
| 20:08.21 | xingu | ok, so that's good |
| 20:08.21 | p1ngp0ng | that was the reply i've been waiting for then :) |
| 20:08.36 | xingu | in /usr/src/modules do you have nvidia-kernel.tar.gz too ? |
| 20:08.40 | p1ngp0ng | it's all so clear now. atleast, it's starting to clear up in the horizon ;p |
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| 20:09.03 | xingu | actually it should be /usr/src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 20:09.09 | DDave | Hello, I am trying to get a package with apt-get but it asks for a cd-rom, how can I set it to download it from the internet? |
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| 20:09.33 | kingsley | Is there any other way to diagnose why an Adobe flash test web site says flash isn't working for unstable's iceweasel than 1.) dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree 2.) ldd /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 3.) about:plugins 4.) ls -l /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so and update-alternatives --display flash-mozilla.so? |
| 20:09.50 | wols | DDave: edit your sources.list. remove the "cdrom" lines and add a "ftp" line |
| 20:09.52 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: yes i do |
| 20:09.55 | wols | !tell DDave about sources.list |
| 20:10.02 | DDave | wols, thank you :) |
| 20:10.10 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: in that case all you need to do is rm -rf /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel |
| 20:10.39 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: then restart at nvidia_lenny_2: 8) |
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| 20:11.26 | nagnag | what may cause the uptime to be totally screwed ? |
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| 20:11.46 | p1ngp0ng | and the fact that i currently have the driver from nvidia.com installed wont cause problems?..heh i guess not as this is kernel level driver installing eh? |
| 20:11.53 | xingu | notes that the nvidia_lenny_1 hint needs a kick in the teeth^w^w^w^wslight tweak |
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| 20:12.12 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: I'm not even going to *begin* to think about that. |
| 20:12.16 | wols | xingu: what tweak? |
| 20:12.31 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: lol. allright, well, here goes nothing anyways |
| 20:12.45 | wols | xingu: if one does exactly what it says, it works, afaik |
| 20:12.46 | xingu | wols: installing module source package doesn't necessarily scrub /usr/src/module/${modulename}/ |
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| 20:13.13 | wols | xingu: one shouldn't have that installed. and on lenny there wouldn't be such a dir either |
| 20:13.21 | wols | since lenny has no nvidia drivers. yet |
| 20:13.28 | xingu | wols: I'm not sure what the steps needed for m-a are to achieve it either; last time I tried it killed _everything_ I had installed |
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| 20:14.07 | xingu | wols: scenario here is - etch attempted install at 8776, upgrade to etchnhalf, then simple-backport of source package |
| 20:14.25 | xingu | wols: that's roughly what the nvidia_lenny_{1,2} guide you through |
| 20:14.29 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: uhm, wont i need the correct kernel source before i continue from step 8? |
| 20:14.30 | wols | xingu: I know the scenario. but I stopped caring when he installed nvidia.com drivers |
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| 20:14.51 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: no, you'll find that m-a unpacks the .tar.bz2 |
| 20:15.43 | p1ngp0ng | oh ok. |
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| 20:15.53 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: the correct _debian_ kernel source at least is installed; I have no idea what nvidia.com driver you have installed nor can I predict what is going to happen when you blend the two realities. |
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| 20:16.07 | p1ngp0ng | but before i start. do i need the other headers/sources in there? http://debian.pastebin.com/m7fa9595e |
| 20:16.42 | p1ngp0ng | i can tell you wich driver i have installed atm |
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| 20:16.50 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: I'm not interested. :) |
| 20:17.04 | p1ngp0ng | hehe tought so :P |
| 20:17.42 | p1ngp0ng | allright here goes |
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| 20:18.57 | MrCraig | Hi all :-) I'm using really limited hardware and wondered if it's possible to copy my filesystem from a tiny partition to a much larger one, then chroot the larger one and install my system there (effectively using the smaller partition as a boot drive only) - is that possible please? |
| 20:19.20 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: lol well what do you know, the make failed, again :P |
| 20:20.06 | p1ngp0ng | http://debian.pastebin.com/m41dbe2be haha |
| 20:20.13 | p1ngp0ng | yes, that is all. |
| 20:20.44 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: take another look in Makefile.nvidia - if it's still reporting 8776 then you've somehow clobbered the nvidia-kernel-source-173.14.09 package |
| 20:20.54 | xingu | p1ngp0ng: the rest of the log is inside the file it's just pointed you at |
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| 20:21.52 | xingu | vanishes |
| 20:22.16 | p1ngp0ng | xingu: a very good desision. i tend to get _extremely_ annoying |
| 20:22.23 | bartosz__ | how to kill windows xp |
| 20:22.31 | bartosz__ | from linux |
| 20:22.54 | stew | bartosz__: what do you mean? |
| 20:23.03 | p1ngp0ng | mount the ntfs partition, and start writing alot of data to it |
| 20:23.09 | extor | http://www.thecuteproject.com/images/items/2225.jpg |
| 20:23.20 | stew | extor: wrong channel |
| 20:23.24 | bartosz__ | some guy is overloading netowrk i want reset his machine |
| 20:23.30 | bartosz__ | in my local network |
| 20:23.31 | extor | off topic but worth the peek |
| 20:23.37 | bartosz__ | stew, |
| 20:24.09 | stew | bartosz__: you don't reset windows xp from linux, you do it from windows xp |
| 20:24.09 | extor | Plus pandas look a bit like penguins so not really that far off topic |
| 20:24.15 | MrCraig | wonders if there is a ts client for lin, might answer bartosz__ question - command prompt and tell it reboot |
| 20:24.33 | bartosz__ | maybe flood him or something |
| 20:24.38 | bartosz__ | how to flood himm |
| 20:24.52 | cgibin | use perl |
| 20:25.07 | cgibin | that well knock him out if his not using no protection |
| 20:25.10 | MrCraig | or you could rdesktop I guess - I'm sure there's an rdp client bundled with most distros |
| 20:25.19 | bartosz__ | cgibin, how |
| 20:25.26 | cgibin | you have t3 connection |
| 20:25.29 | bartosz__ | ?? |
| 20:25.37 | cgibin | pipeline got a be big liek 60 |
| 20:25.40 | bartosz__ | hes in local newtork |
| 20:25.43 | cgibin | sending to 20 |
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| 20:26.33 | bartosz__ | give me comand |
| 20:26.40 | cgibin | lol |
| 20:26.42 | cgibin | what command |
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| 20:26.57 | bartosz__ | to flood him |
| 20:27.00 | bartosz__ | ;d |
| 20:27.05 | cgibin | dude are you new to this or what |
| 20:27.10 | cgibin | what are you talking about |
| 20:27.29 | bartosz__ | new |
| 20:27.38 | cgibin | good luck then |
| 20:27.44 | MrCraig | lol |
| 20:28.16 | cgibin | i wrote this code its using python which is better and faster then perl |
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| 20:28.26 | bartosz__ | what code |
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| 20:29.48 | ehtom | omfg |
| 20:29.52 | ehtom | this is special |
| 20:30.00 | grul | no, you are =) |
| 20:30.02 | ehtom | when did #debian turn in to #scr1p7kiddeh |
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| 20:30.09 | HolyTux | window up |
| 20:30.09 | bartosz__ | hehe |
| 20:30.19 | bartosz__ | his killing my netwrok |
| 20:30.27 | bartosz__ | what to do |
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| 20:30.37 | MrCraig | go unplug him from the router |
| 20:30.44 | MrCraig | if it is your network |
| 20:30.45 | ehtom | if its genuinely your network, deny him access |
| 20:30.57 | bartosz__ | yeah but how to deny it |
| 20:31.00 | ehtom | if its a dorm network or something, complain to the admin |
| 20:31.02 | bartosz__ | or limit |
| 20:31.21 | bartosz__ | it is hardware router no options for it |
| 20:31.36 | MrCraig | no options? who is your network admin? |
| 20:31.38 | ehtom | unplug his ethernet cable? |
| 20:31.49 | ehtom | change the wireless password? |
| 20:31.56 | ehtom | both those things should work pretty good tbh |
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| 20:32.30 | bartosz__ | its soho router |
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| 20:32.42 | ehtom | ... |
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| 20:32.45 | ehtom | how is he connected to it? |
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| 20:32.54 | seanp2k | hello, I have a pretty simple problem...just the best way to do it without borking permissions escapes me |
| 20:32.58 | seanp2k | ok..here goes: |
| 20:33.14 | seanp2k | I'm upgrading a RAID 1 array to a RAID 5 array, and switching controllers |
| 20:33.26 | [_Lucas_] | obconf: error while loading shared libraries: libobrender.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:33.45 | seanp2k | they are both 3ware 7500 series controllers, and I want to first move the data to an external HDD shared off a Windows 2003 server |
| 20:33.49 | p1ngp0ng | http://debian.pastebin.com/m63a6e094 My nvidia-module buildlog if anyone cares. |
| 20:33.51 | [_Lucas_] | What could be done ? |
| 20:33.58 | seanp2k | is there any way to preserve permissions throught the move? |
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| 20:36.21 | Benzi | some distros have (out of the box) a "background" for the ttys |
| 20:36.25 | Benzi | how do I get something like that? |
| 20:36.30 | Benzi | a background image for the ttys |
| 20:37.13 | intelikey | Benzi kernel frame buffering |
| 20:37.25 | Benzi | uh |
| 20:37.29 | Benzi | frame-buffering? |
| 20:37.39 | Benzi | how do I make it use the frame buffer device to put a background behind a tty? |
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| 20:38.26 | maplebed | is there any current 'best practice' for etch re: openbsd-inetd vs. xinetd? |
| 20:38.35 | maplebed | I've usually used xinetd, but openbsd-inetd is default in etch. |
| 20:38.40 | maplebed | personal preference? |
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| 20:40.02 | stew | maplebed: yes, personal preference |
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| 20:40.31 | maplebed | out of curiosity, which do you use? |
| 20:41.18 | stew | maplebed: i doubt many people change the default |
| 20:41.44 | maplebed | cool... tnx, stew. |
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| 20:45.58 | philluminati | Can someone please make a guestimate on Debian 5's release date? |
| 20:46.06 | arezey | !wwlr |
| 20:46.07 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 20:46.44 | intelikey | anyone know of a random string generator that could test for a predetermined match and do this very quickly? i'm testing a theory on time to match a random word, but the script i have writen for it is extreemly slow. clue*fours welcome |
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| 20:47.13 | philluminati | :-s I can't upgrade from Etch to Lenny. I've tried 3 times and each time it ends with a screwed apt-get |
| 20:47.35 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: huh? |
| 20:48.00 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: you mean you have two words and you want to match them fast? or you mean you want to know how long it takes to randomly determine the second word? |
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| 20:48.57 | intelikey | dondelelcaro no i mean i have one word and i want to know how long it takes to randomly reproduce it |
| 20:49.20 | Lagbolt | philluminati, what does that mean? screwed? any errors? |
| 20:49.31 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: what for? |
| 20:51.10 | intelikey | dondelelcaro like i said "testing a theory" |
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| 20:52.40 | philluminati | http://pastebin.com/m37279bfe |
| 20:52.48 | philluminati | my broken apt |
| 20:53.32 | wols | philluminati: you are on etch, why do you want to install lenny packages? |
| 20:53.43 | philluminati | Last time it wasn't pidgin-facebookchat it was something else |
| 20:54.03 | philluminati | wols, because I wanted firefox 3 and some newer software |
| 20:54.06 | philluminati | :-s |
| 20:54.07 | wols | philluminati: what made you install the lenny libc6 in the first place? |
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| 20:54.16 | wols | philluminati: upgrade to lenny then |
| 20:54.33 | wols | and remove ALL the software you installed recently. ie ffox3 and the like |
| 20:54.35 | philluminati | I can't fix apt-get in any way |
| 20:54.38 | stew | that's hardly a solution to "i'm having trouble upgrading to lenny" |
| 20:54.39 | stew | ;) |
| 20:54.47 | philluminati | I can't do apt-get remove .... |
| 20:54.52 | philluminati | (see the pastebin) |
| 20:54.56 | wols | stew: he is not upgrading. he is mixing |
| 20:54.59 | stew | philluminati: we'd recommend using aptitude not apt-get for this type of thing. you could also remove with "dpkg -r" |
| 20:55.06 | wols | philluminati: dpkg should still work |
| 20:55.09 | stew | wols: yes, becuase upgrading broke |
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| 20:55.53 | philluminati | wols...what should I type? |
| 20:55.57 | Lagbolt | anyone recomend a good home use power conditioner? a lil off topic but was thinking maybe someone in here has a good reco to protect my debian box from some spiky power at my house |
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| 20:56.25 | MrCraig | ok - my sshd reports "Could not load host key" for both protocols 1&2 and exits with no hostkeys avail... can anyone tell me how to fix that please? |
| 20:56.30 | dondelelcaro | Lagbolt: any ups should do |
| 20:56.33 | maplebed | how do I tell which is default in lenny, xinetd or openbsd-inetd? |
| 20:56.35 | philluminati | wait a sec... |
| 20:56.39 | wols | Lagbolt: #hardware |
| 20:56.47 | Lagbolt | dondelelcaro, wols thanks |
| 20:56.56 | philluminati | it's making progress... |
| 20:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | philluminati, you can... I'm pretty sure you can fix it - it's just software ;) |
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| 20:58.34 | philluminati | :-) wow guys, thank you |
| 20:58.48 | philluminati | thanks stew, wols, cutthroat... |
| 20:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | philluminati, did you get it? |
| 20:59.33 | wols | philluminati: don't mix etch and lenny software. upgrade to lenny fully if you want ffox3 |
| 20:59.39 | philluminati | apt-get works again, I'm doing a dist-upgrade now |
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| 20:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | philluminati, ha, I see the bin you're in now... binutils <-> libc6 of all things |
| 20:59.49 | stew | wols: that is what he said he was trying to do |
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| 21:00.11 | philluminati | It was marked as an i386 arch in a 64 bit folder as well |
| 21:00.17 | Mike1__ | Gkrellm is able to display how many MB/sec are coming from/to a partition....is there a command line tool which does the same? |
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| 21:00.23 | philluminati | You guys are legends |
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| 21:02.13 | balasyum | Hi |
| 21:02.28 | andinator | hi there |
| 21:02.34 | balasyum | Debian lenny 64bit, iceweasel keeps crashing on downloading a file |
| 21:02.42 | intelikey | Mike1__ good question. s/partition/device/ would be even better... and i'd like to know too. |
| 21:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | now expects 859 more people to say "hi" |
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| 21:04.17 | andinator | my irssi running in a screen session has a ping timeout everytime my local connection is interrupted, for example when theres the 24h reconnect |
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| 21:05.01 | andinator | i dont know how irssi gets touched by this, because its running on a root-server and not here |
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| 21:08.03 | Kovensky | anyone knows where can I look up some info on how to interface with rhythmbox using dbus-send? |
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| 21:08.26 | Kovensky | I want to query it about various data |
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| 21:11.31 | \amethyst | Mike1: intelikey: vmstat -p /dev/sda1 -n 1 | awk '$1 ~ /^[0-9]+$/ { print $1-lr, $2-lrs, $3-lw, $4-lws; lr=$1; lrs=$2; lw=$3; lws=$4; } $1 ~ /[^0-9]/' |
| 21:11.38 | tuco_ | hi.. |
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| 21:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kovensky, any reason to prefer rhythmbox over other players (haven't tried it) |
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| 21:12.07 | tuco_ | i try to install debian on my new old iBook powerpc and managed to boot into the installer |
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| 21:12.22 | \amethyst | Mike1: intelikey: normally vmstat -p reports the cumulative numbers, the awk there is to turn that into instantaneous numbers |
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| 21:12.48 | tuco_ | now the 'Scan hard drives for an installer ISO image' command doesn't find the image |
| 21:13.29 | tuco_ | whe i go into shell mode i find it where it should be.. after mounting the usbstick to /mnt |
| 21:13.45 | Kovensky | CutMeOwnThroat: it is the gnome default, it plays music... what else? :) |
| 21:13.47 | tuco_ | can i manualy say the installer where to find the image? |
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| 21:14.03 | Kovensky | CutMeOwnThroat: ofc amarok would be much better, but I'd have to install the whole qt/kde stuff and load lots of other libraries on ram; I don't want that |
| 21:14.04 | intelikey | \amethyst gradis |
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| 21:15.31 | maplebed | anybody know how to tell which of a bunch of alternatives is the default in a specific version of debian? I want to know which is default, xinetd or openbsd-inetd in sarge, etch, and lenny. (I alreayd know it's inetd in etch, but I'm curious about the other two) |
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| 21:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kovensky, oh, that's all? Was just looking around a bit... used to use xmms (and don't really know why I stopped doing so - except perhaps that xmms1 is essentially dead), amarok is partly nice - but doesnt work together so well with my habit to listen through the whole thousands-songs playlist to get not so much repitition |
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| 21:16.33 | Kovensky | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm |
| 21:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kovensky, amarok appears to me to have a bit of featuritis... |
| 21:16.52 | raz | rubs his eyes |
| 21:17.00 | Kovensky | CutMeOwnThroat: it also has a nice artist/album browser, and doesn't interfere with me liking to hear albums sorted by release date :) |
| 21:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | raz, careful, if you got sand in there, that'll only make it worse |
| 21:17.15 | Kovensky | they don't appear sorted on the album browser, but on the song browser yes if I set it to sort by year |
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| 21:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, that means in the morning you listen to ... Genesis from the 70s and in the evening old, frail Phil moans "mama"? |
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| 21:21.55 | Mike1 | \amethyst: I always get a Partition was not found |
| 21:22.22 | Mike1 | but it exists! |
| 21:22.33 | \amethyst | Mike1: strange :( |
| 21:22.49 | Mike1 | The -p followed by some partition name for detailed statistics (2.5.70 or above required) |
| 21:22.52 | Mike1 | (2.5.70 or above required) |
| 21:23.09 | \amethyst | it needs to be a partition, not the whole drive |
| 21:23.10 | Mike1 | mike@mikespc:~> vmstat -V |
| 21:23.10 | Mike1 | procps version 3.2.7 |
| 21:23.11 | Mike1 | mhhh |
| 21:23.14 | Mike1 | yes |
| 21:23.17 | Mike1 | i tried sda1 |
| 21:23.27 | Mike1 | i mean /dev/sda1 |
| 21:23.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuco_, can't you go on from that? I mean - mount it where the installer wants it, then continue? |
| 21:25.02 | Mike1 | just found `iostat` nice thing :) |
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| 21:25.08 | Mike1 | looks like it's just what i need |
| 21:25.10 | Mike1 | \amethyst: |
| 21:25.12 | Mike1 | intelikey: |
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| 21:25.53 | kingsley | Why does "aptitude install" append "{a}" after some package names? |
| 21:26.10 | stew | kingsley: to indicate they are being marked as automatically installed |
| 21:26.10 | dustybin | is there a way to resize a LVM logical volume to use all the remaining free disk space? |
| 21:26.14 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: how? |
| 21:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kovensky, hm and are you sure you have to install "all the kde stuff"? The only kde dependenc I can see is to kdelibs4c2a hm, perhaps libkarma4 (ok, there's also a qt dependencies) |
| 21:26.41 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I mounted the stick on /mnt .. but I don't know how to go on further |
| 21:27.05 | dustybin | CutMeOwnThroat: would you mind changing your offensive nick |
| 21:27.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuco_, sorry, havent used an installation disk for years... |
| 21:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, again? |
| 21:27.17 | dustybin | :P |
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| 21:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, how about you change your offensive nick this time? |
| 21:27.35 | dustybin | :o |
| 21:28.05 | intelikey | \amethyst i also get partition not found but i dont have any partitions, might be the cause. vmstat -p /dev/hda yelds "Partition was not found" |
| 21:28.08 | dustybin | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about bad manners and being rude to fellow IRC'ers |
| 21:28.22 | Kovensky | CutMeOwnThroat: kdelibs4c2a is a huge library of libraries |
| 21:28.42 | intelikey | brb |
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| 21:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuco_, I guess you did what's described here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb |
| 21:31.45 | blubberdiblub | dustybin, try: lvresize -l +100%FREE your/lvpath |
| 21:32.07 | dustybin | wow cool i wasnt expecting that :-) |
| 21:32.26 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Section 4.4 Preparing Files for USB Memory |
| 21:32.46 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: the "flexible" way :P |
| 21:33.05 | dustybin | ACE |
| 21:33.06 | dustybin | private:/mnt# lvresize -l +100%FREE /dev/hmb-vol/netstore Extending logical volume netstore to 126.51 GB Logical volume netstore successfully resized |
| 21:33.23 | dustybin | THANKS |
| 21:33.30 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
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| 21:34.33 | dFence | hey, can i run the debian-installer from a usb-stick with kexec? |
| 21:34.56 | Benzi | how do I set a background image for my tty's? |
| 21:35.01 | intelikey | yeah my case seems to be a result of not using partitions \amethyst |
| 21:35.08 | Benzi | I have a working framebuffer device and am willing to use a kernel patch if necessary |
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| 21:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuco_, can you make it repeat its search? |
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| 21:37.02 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: shure |
| 21:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuco_, all I can imagine for a reason would be that your iso is not really ending in "iso" for some reason completely a mystery to me (because it seems the installer looks for that extension) |
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| 21:37.29 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: it end with .iso |
| 21:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuco_, well, if you can - perhaps you can sneak a glimpse on what it does with "ps" and from that figure what goes wrong |
| 21:37.38 | tuco_ | i checked that in console too |
| 21:38.25 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm trying to copy to harddisk and resacan at the moment |
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| 21:41.24 | _moro_ | is gnome the default desktop on debian? |
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| 21:41.43 | intelikey | why would vmstat -p look for a partition rather than a file system ? that seems like shody coding |
| 21:42.31 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I did it!!!! |
| 21:42.46 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I copied it to hd and left it mounted |
| 21:43.11 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: The installer mounts every partition and searches for the iso in another directory |
| 21:43.26 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: It could not be mounted again and failed :P |
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| 21:43.36 | tuco_ | CutMeOwnThroat: THX for your help |
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| 21:45.48 | MrCraig | is there a command line utility that will report cpu and ram usage? |
| 21:46.06 | drazak | top |
| 21:46.07 | drazak | ps aux |
| 21:46.12 | MrCraig | thanks |
| 21:46.14 | drazak | free -m |
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| 21:46.22 | amphi | MrCraig: ot htop |
| 21:47.49 | intelikey | cat /proc/meminfo /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:49.23 | jerojasro | hi all. which package should I install to obtain all the man pages of the system library (C/C++) functions (like printf and others)? |
| 21:49.37 | dmoerner | libc6-dev |
| 21:50.03 | jerojasro | manpages-dev |
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| 21:50.56 | jerojasro | dmoerner, thanks for the hint |
| 21:51.27 | stiv2k | Hi I ran memtest86 on my laptop. It doesn't matter whether I have both memory sticks in, only one, or only the other one, it still reports thousands of errors and then eventually freezes. How can this happen to BOTH memory sticks? Or is it something else? |
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| 21:52.50 | jerojasro | stiv2k, could it be your motherboard? |
| 21:53.09 | jerojasro | can't you check on another laptop? |
| 21:53.10 | stiv2k | jerojasro: I dont know, it has been working fine up until recently |
| 21:53.19 | stiv2k | jerojasro: all the other laptops I have use different RAM :S |
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| 21:53.41 | jerojasro | stiv2k, everything works fine until it begins to fail :P |
| 21:54.16 | intelikey | it sounds like the software doesn't know how to check the hardware propperly |
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| 21:56.28 | christoz | greetings, which is the sources.list for experimental Debian packages? |
| 21:57.10 | stiv2k | umm |
| 21:57.39 | stiv2k | so the question is, its possible for a motherboard failure to report memory errors in memtes86 + random freezes, or are both RAM sticks really messed up? |
| 21:57.47 | christoz | the repository addresses for experimental packages |
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| 22:00.36 | intelikey | hmmm interesting i just did aptitude install libc6-dev and wasn't paying close attention to the [Y,n] it's now removing about 100 lib* packages.... |
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| 22:01.02 | sobersabre | hi guys, my Q. is kinda offtopic, but adjacent to debian. |
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| 22:01.20 | sobersabre | I have a 100GB hard disk (2.5", laptop disk) |
| 22:01.42 | sobersabre | and I have edited it's part. table with fdisk, created 1 partition. |
| 22:01.49 | sobersabre | and formatted that partition with vfat fs. |
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| 22:02.06 | sobersabre | I can successfully mount this disk in linux or Mac OS. |
| 22:02.14 | sobersabre | but Windows fails to open it. |
| 22:02.29 | Kovensky | windows is uber fail |
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| 22:02.32 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 22:02.35 | Kovensky | it does that with my usb key too |
| 22:02.35 | intelikey | and aptitude is hung/broken now. |
| 22:02.39 | Kovensky | but I can't format it D: |
| 22:02.40 | sobersabre | Whad could I have done "wrong" ? |
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| 22:03.15 | sobersabre | is it maybe part. table, maybe some bit I need to enable ? |
| 22:03.27 | sobersabre | like bootable flag..? |
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| 22:03.37 | Kovensky | sobersabre: I have no idea, actually |
| 22:03.42 | Kovensky | or I would have fixed my usb key already :) |
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| 22:03.52 | sobersabre | Kovensky: thanks for clearing that out. |
| 22:03.56 | dury | need to upgrade my gtk+ to 2.10 how do I do that? |
| 22:03.59 | fbc | how do I force my server to search for and use the fastest apt source? |
| 22:04.10 | intelikey | interesting... anyone know how to fix this ? http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d469d48a7 |
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| 22:04.19 | sobersabre | fbc: netselect-apt |
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| 22:05.18 | dury | I'm trying to install firefox3 and it says that to upgrade to gtk+ 2.10 or newer |
| 22:05.39 | dury | what should I do then? |
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| 22:07.02 | dury | I did apt-get install gtk+2.10 and not success |
| 22:07.37 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell dury -about firefox 3 etch |
| 22:07.54 | fbc | sobersabre, thanks.. i'm reading about now,, and it looks like what I need.. Thanks again.. |
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| 22:08.45 | hugodidier | Hi good afternon, speek spanish, can help me install of debian? |
| 22:08.51 | dmoerner | !es |
| 22:08.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:09.14 | Cheery | Hi, I'm using debian etch, an app yells that it can't find /dev/audio |
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| 22:09.31 | andrboot | eh @ Cheery when my box starts up the kernel can't find my lvm |
| 22:09.35 | andrboot | but sometimes it does :| |
| 22:09.38 | andrboot | figure that one out |
| 22:09.44 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell Cheery -about /dev/audio |
| 22:09.51 | shamrock | I just got a "this web site requires java" message in iceweasel. According to synaptic I have a JRE installed. Are there issues in Lenny with Java? What could the problem be? |
| 22:09.53 | hugodidier | thanks dpkg |
| 22:10.03 | andrboot | and i have multi kernels to :| |
| 22:10.21 | dmoerner | shamrock: a jre is insufficient to get java with iceweasel. you also need the plugin. |
| 22:10.49 | shamrock | dmoerner: do you know the name? |
| 22:11.15 | dmoerner | shamrock: sun-java6-plugin if you use sun java 6 |
| 22:11.25 | Cheery | .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
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| 22:12.55 | shamrock | dmoerner: just found it. thanks. How silly it doesnt install it as default with java. |
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| 22:13.52 | dmoerner | shamrock: if you wanted the plugin, you would install sun-java6-plugin. many people just want the jre for something like openoffice or the jdk, so there's no real reason to pull in a wasteful plugin as a dependency |
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| 22:14.04 | sixty6murph | does anyone know where freenx debs can be found for lenny? |
| 22:14.08 | intelikey | well i did an rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.prerm and got past that obstical... but now it's even worse. http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d39701b31 |
| 22:14.09 | dmoerner | it does suggest the plugin |
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| 22:15.43 | dmoerner | sixty6murph: you can't get freenx 0.7 packages for debian |
| 22:15.47 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell sixty6murph -about freenx |
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| 22:15.58 | intelikey | ah it was a broken "tar" fixed. |
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| 22:16.56 | Run | Why not: Ah it was a broken "tar". Fixed. |
| 22:17.20 | Run | Ah, even. |
| 22:17.30 | andrboot | @ sixty6murph nomachine's deb's offer more functionality i found |
| 22:18.26 | sixty6murph | andrboot: did they give you much trouble? |
| 22:18.29 | intelikey | run are you asking me to use more punctuation if so why not just say so |
| 22:18.35 | andrboot | sixty6murph none at all |
| 22:18.40 | intelikey | :) |
| 22:19.05 | sixty6murph | sure i'll give that ago. i presume that was with xorg? |
| 22:19.10 | andrboot | anyone got any ideas why my kernel isn't picking up my lvm on boot but it randomly does? |
| 22:19.15 | andrboot | @ sixty6murph you will need xorg yea |
| 22:19.54 | intelikey | andrboot i would assume a probably cause of "race condition" |
| 22:20.03 | intelikey | e |
| 22:20.12 | andrboot | intelikey ?? care to enlighten me? |
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| 22:20.39 | sixty6murph | @ dmoerner, andrboot: cheers. |
| 22:20.59 | htmlol | I'm having trouble killing a process that's causing all sorts of trouble |
| 22:21.09 | intelikey | andrboot some times what is needed is in place and some times it's too slow to get there in time == race condition |
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| 22:21.17 | htmlol | kill doesn't work, and I'm using htop to send it every signal imaginable, but no result. |
| 22:21.23 | andrboot | intelikey ook so how do i fix it it make it work ?:p |
| 22:22.13 | intelikey | andrboot have to pin point the cause. simple answer is adjusting the startup proccess order. dmesg might have clues |
| 22:22.23 | Run | htmlol: If you kill -9 it, it will certainly not exist anymore. If you still see it in the process list than that is because it has children that didn't terminate yet. |
| 22:22.36 | andrboot | @ intelikey this is when the kernel fires up though |
| 22:23.20 | intelikey | yep |
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| 22:25.43 | htmlol | Run: it still seems to be there. htop doesn't show it having any children :/ |
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| 22:26.14 | Spec | so are there any good documents concerning running an ftp server in a chroot/jail? (not just vsftp "chrooting" users to specific directories) |
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| 22:26.55 | intelikey | htmlol also of note. you can't "kill" kernel threads. what is the process name ? |
| 22:27.05 | htmlol | rtorrent |
| 22:27.20 | htmlol | darnold 3471 0.3 0.8 76632 8456 pts/3 DN+ 18:00 0:05 rtorrent |
| 22:27.26 | dury | thanks great |
| 22:27.29 | intelikey | sudo killall rtorrent |
| 22:27.38 | dury | bbl |
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| 22:29.43 | Rockj | hum, anyone using backuppc from backports? Im trying to use rsync as method, but I need "libfile-rsyncp-perl" , which for some odd reason wants to remove "backuppc" |
| 22:29.55 | htmlol | intelikey: didn't work. |
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| 22:33.46 | intelikey | htmlol pastebin the output of ps -A x |
| 22:34.19 | htmlol | erm, I can't |
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| 22:34.32 | intelikey | why not ? |
| 22:35.10 | intelikey | fifth ammendment situation ? |
| 22:35.22 | htmlol | e |
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| 22:35.44 | htmlol | I'I can use grr brb |
| 22:35.51 | htmlol | umm |
| 22:35.59 | htmlol | I should be able to use #flood though |
| 22:36.09 | htmlol | rtorrent is screwing many things up. no browser. |
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| 22:36.50 | andrboot | hmm |
| 22:37.08 | andrboot | @ intelikey it crashes out to infranfs will that help me? |
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| 22:37.34 | ehtom | how do I find out which package owns a particular binary? |
| 22:38.32 | Lagbolt | ehtom, you could use apt-file |
| 22:39.18 | intelikey | andrboot infranfs ? initramfs ? busybox shell ? |
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| 22:41.36 | intelikey | htmlol you don't think it's "tor" causing your network issue rather than rtorrent ? |
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| 22:42.29 | andrboot | initramfs |
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| 22:43.06 | htmlol | intelikey: done. it's all in #flood. |
| 22:43.08 | htmlol | it's not a network issue |
| 22:43.11 | htmlol | I'm using the machine in question for irc |
| 22:43.14 | htmlol | the real error is rtorrent was trying to look at something on a bad sector of the hdd and is freaking out my computer because of it |
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| 22:44.16 | htmlol | forget it. I'll just manually reboot. |
| 22:44.21 | brandon_ | hello. anyone help with an intermittent segmentation fault in apache 1.3.41 on etch 4.0 |
| 22:44.22 | andrboot | rofl |
| 22:44.22 | intelikey | ah i/o errors... yeah that can be |
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| 22:44.55 | htmlol | yeah, error is |
| 22:44.56 | htmlol | end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 108770320 |
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| 22:45.28 | intelikey | andrboot your root fs is on local or network disk ? |
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| 22:45.39 | andrboot | intelikey local scsi disk on lvm |
| 22:45.46 | htmlol | is there anything I can put into grub to make it fsck at startup? |
| 22:45.47 | andrboot | i see it scan.. then it goes cann't find.. then the drives power onj after it |
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| 22:46.26 | intelikey | htmlol that loops back to what i was saying "you can't kill a kernel thread" |
| 22:46.36 | htmlol | how so? |
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| 22:47.06 | intelikey | htmlol i/o error has to wait on the kernel do report back to the application. |
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| 22:47.15 | intelikey | s/do/to/ |
| 22:47.25 | htmlol | eh figures |
| 22:47.30 | htmlol | so how about that grub |
| 22:47.36 | htmlol | that's the most important thing |
| 22:47.38 | htmlol | I really need a fsck |
| 22:47.58 | peteweez | Hi, I have diagnosed a possible issue with the open-source radeon drivers. As the fglrx works with my hardware and the open-source driver is completely unusable, I think there's a problem with the driver. |
| 22:48.12 | peteweez | What kind of information might be useful to the driver's devs? |
| 22:48.27 | dmoerner | peteweez: what card is this? |
| 22:48.40 | peteweez | dmoerner: ATi Mobility Radeon HD 3650 |
| 22:48.46 | peteweez | it is M86 based |
| 22:48.54 | peteweez | and similar problems are on X.org's wiki |
| 22:48.55 | intelikey | sudo tune2fs -C 99 /dev/device_here i think. better man that switch. anyway setting the mount count of the fs to higher than the interval will force a check |
| 22:49.07 | peteweez | they say it relates to ASUS laptops with >2 GB Ram |
| 22:49.10 | peteweez | which is what I have |
| 22:49.32 | peteweez | dmoerner: would you be interested in an Xorg.log? |
| 22:49.33 | dmoerner | peteweez: if that's a R600 then send a letter to ati telling them to hurry up and release the specs |
| 22:49.38 | peteweez | lol |
| 22:49.45 | peteweez | I believe it's R700 series |
| 22:49.51 | dmoerner | even more so then |
| 22:49.54 | peteweez | It's extremely new |
| 22:50.05 | peteweez | so there's nothing I can do to help out the devs right now? |
| 22:50.17 | dmoerner | i'm serious. send ati a letter. |
| 22:50.20 | peteweez | Wait a sec... |
| 22:50.26 | intelikey | htmlol yeah -C mount-count -c max-mount-counts had to check. |
| 22:50.27 | andrboot | heh intelikey i don't like to bug ppl but you have some idea :p do you know how to make "grub" wiat before loading the lvm? |
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| 22:50.34 | peteweez | I remember the radeon driver specifically claiming support for my card |
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| 22:50.48 | peteweez | but it might still be buggy b/c closed specs? |
| 22:51.05 | peteweez | I thought ATi had recently gotten really cool about releasing their specs. |
| 22:51.06 | intelikey | andrboot grub ? grub loads the kernel. |
| 22:51.28 | dmoerner | peteweez: i have a radeon hd 3650 non-mobility and it only has dri with fglrx. just be patient |
| 22:51.36 | peteweez | OK |
| 22:51.42 | peteweez | so they have not released specs? |
| 22:51.50 | andrboot | intelikey yea i know :| i need to make it pause right @ the end where it loads the lvm so the drives have time to "click ok your tehre" :| |
| 22:51.57 | andrboot | it misses out by like 1 second |
| 22:52.01 | peteweez | If not, then I guess I will write a letter |
| 22:52.04 | peteweez | or sign some petitions |
| 22:52.04 | intelikey | andrboot you can edit the startup scripts or even write your own, the ones in the initramfs.img i'm talking about. i think it's /usr/share/initramfs/ ? |
| 22:52.12 | andrboot | oooh |
| 22:52.17 | andrboot | hmm. |
| 22:52.19 | peteweez | dmoerner: OK thanks for clarifying for me. |
| 22:52.31 | andrboot | @ intelikey okas ill see what i can do with the crappy shell it gives me :p |
| 22:52.50 | intelikey | andrboot and rebuild your initrd.img afterwards. "word to the wise" keep a working initramfs image handy, just incase you hose something |
| 22:53.47 | peteweez | Oh yeah one more thing. I have a very new computer with some new hardware. The sound card and the wifi chip, both made by Intel, don't work. If I upgrade the kernel to the latest version, should it work? |
| 22:54.05 | peteweez | I seem to remember hearing that support had been added to the kernel |
| 22:54.07 | intelikey | is went. |
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| 22:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | peteweez, you'll never know for sure until you tried :) |
| 22:56.09 | andrboot | intelikey i get busy box can i can seemly edit scropts there |
| 22:56.09 | andrboot | mhmm |
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| 22:56.44 | wols | peteweez: if you run etch, try the etchnhalf kernel (2.6.24) first. most stuff should work there |
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| 23:00.53 | dudeman | went? |
| 23:01.02 | dudeman | scropts? |
| 23:01.22 | peteweez | wols: I'm running that |
| 23:01.26 | peteweez | But I have lenny |
| 23:01.33 | dudeman | peteweez, hey there |
| 23:01.39 | dudeman | peteweez, any luck with radeon yet? |
| 23:01.41 | peteweez | I'm with CutMeOwnThroat here...I'll try it |
| 23:01.46 | peteweez | dudeman: yes! |
| 23:01.52 | dudeman | tell me |
| 23:02.00 | peteweez | well radeon fails |
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| 23:02.08 | peteweez | and I did prepare an xorg.log for you |
| 23:02.17 | peteweez | fglrx as packaged also fails |
| 23:02.19 | peteweez | but... |
| 23:02.27 | dudeman | fglrx does what? |
| 23:02.28 | peteweez | fglrx downloaded directly from ATi works fine! |
| 23:02.34 | dudeman | what is the behavriour? |
| 23:02.34 | peteweez | blank screen |
| 23:02.36 | dudeman | yeh |
| 23:02.39 | dudeman | its a kown bug |
| 23:02.40 | dudeman | i told you |
| 23:02.40 | peteweez | frozen system |
| 23:02.47 | peteweez | had to do a hard reset |
| 23:02.52 | peteweez | oh wait no I didn't |
| 23:02.53 | dudeman | I didn't think you were capable of building new fglrx from ati.com |
| 23:02.58 | peteweez | I just did a three-finger-salute |
| 23:02.59 | dudeman | otherwise i'd have told you to use that |
| 23:03.06 | peteweez | what do you mean? |
| 23:03.18 | peteweez | I can read tutorials |
| 23:03.19 | peteweez | lol |
| 23:03.25 | dudeman | peteweez, i hope you prepared the ./ati_intaller.run --buildpkg Debian/lenny |
| 23:03.34 | dudeman | and then installed those and used module-assistant |
| 23:03.46 | peteweez | yeah I used --extract instead |
| 23:03.48 | dudeman | if you use fglrx installer directly and not module aassistant |
| 23:03.51 | peteweez | but yeah I used module-assistant |
| 23:03.56 | dudeman | then you can be .. ok nm then |
| 23:03.57 | dudeman | good boy |
| 23:03.58 | peteweez | that's what the wiki said to do |
| 23:04.00 | peteweez | lol |
| 23:04.05 | dudeman | pats peteweez on the back |
| 23:04.08 | peteweez | I do good...I get toy now? |
| 23:04.23 | dudeman | you.. no only chics get to play with my toy ;) |
| 23:04.29 | peteweez | roflmao |
| 23:04.50 | peteweez | somehow you knew I wasn't a chick |
| 23:04.57 | dudeman | pete |
| 23:05.01 | dudeman | short for peter |
| 23:05.02 | peteweez | there ya go |
| 23:05.09 | dudeman | I spent some time in usa too |
| 23:05.10 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:05.15 | peteweez | coulda been petra |
| 23:05.27 | dudeman | no |
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| 23:05.46 | peteweez | ah well thanks for helping me out |
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| 23:05.51 | dudeman | yw |
| 23:06.20 | dudeman | actually can you respond to that fglrx bug with the logfile? |
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| 23:06.30 | peteweez | What fglrx bug? |
| 23:06.39 | peteweez | the one with the packaged version? |
| 23:06.44 | andrew[andrboot] | intelikey., do you have to enable rootdelay on the4 udevadm trigger? |
| 23:06.46 | dudeman | !dbugs #450639 |
| 23:06.50 | dpkg | #:N[#450639] ; |
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| 23:06.55 | dudeman | fucking stpid bot |
| 23:07.08 | dudeman | #450639 [n| | ] [fglrx-driver] fglrx-driver: Fails to start X and leaves blank screen |
| 23:07.23 | dudeman | if that is what happened to you |
| 23:07.28 | peteweez | exactly |
| 23:07.39 | peteweez | I can submit it if the log hasn't been overwritten |
| 23:07.43 | dudeman | awww |
| 23:07.49 | peteweez | right now I'm running X with new fglrx |
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| 23:07.56 | peteweez | the last instance was with VESA |
| 23:08.04 | htmlol | okay. so. |
| 23:08.08 | peteweez | so do they get archived? or just deleted? |
| 23:08.13 | htmlol | basically |
| 23:08.18 | htmlol | my hard drive is screwed up |
| 23:08.20 | dudeman | deleted/overwrote |
| 23:08.29 | dudeman | htmlol, how do you know? |
| 23:08.33 | htmlol | I have an external hard drive. I connect to it via firewire. |
| 23:08.44 | htmlol | dudeman: error message. want it? |
| 23:08.49 | dudeman | sure |
| 23:08.57 | htmlol | k h/o |
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| 23:09.07 | dudeman | !paster htmlol |
| 23:09.08 | dpkg | htmlol: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:09.40 | htmlol | k |
| 23:09.55 | peteweez | dudeman: Are xorg.0.log and xorg.0.log the only log files X will keep? Or would older logs get archived somewhere? |
| 23:10.13 | dudeman | I'm not sure |
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| 23:10.24 | dudeman | the # in the log file corresponds to the :display # I think |
| 23:10.33 | dudeman | not backups copies or anything |
| 23:10.42 | dudeman | I *think* |
| 23:10.48 | andrew[andrboot] | they should archive |
| 23:11.18 | peteweez | where though |
| 23:11.25 | peteweez | I don't see any gz files |
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| 23:12.46 | peteweez | Oh snap I did save the radeon log when that failed |
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| 23:13.00 | peteweez | I don't have the fglrx unless it archived but I do have the OSS radeon log |
| 23:13.04 | peteweez | could that be useful? |
| 23:13.14 | htmlol | dudeman: http://paste.debian.net/17030/ |
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| 23:13.36 | dudeman | AHAHAHAHHAHHA |
| 23:13.40 | dudeman | :/ |
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| 23:13.55 | htmlol | what? |
| 23:13.56 | andrew[andrboot] | intelikey ??? |
| 23:14.05 | dudeman | htmlol, I have been plagued by this for some time now... I enabled AHCI in my bios last night, and SATA AHCI as well, and now the messages go away |
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| 23:14.17 | dudeman | Wyzard, was trying to help me with this last night, but couldn't figure it out either |
| 23:14.29 | htmlol | you were getting the same error?!?! |
| 23:14.32 | dudeman | yes |
| 23:14.37 | htmlol | wow |
| 23:14.38 | dudeman | I thought my drive was going bad |
| 23:14.41 | htmlol | me too |
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| 23:14.47 | dudeman | its fine now |
| 23:14.53 | htmlol | wow! so how do I do that? |
| 23:14.58 | dudeman | system used to lock up if i tried to access a file |
| 23:15.00 | dudeman | not anymore |
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| 23:15.03 | jmoiron|home | debian testing + compiz + xfce, having an issue with my alt button; it only works after i've used the mouse to move a window. I've tried disabling all compiz features with the manager and it still doesn't work properly; only experienced with debian. anyone hear of this? |
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| 23:15.06 | htmlol | me too! |
| 23:15.07 | dudeman | i can't explain it |
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| 23:15.17 | dudeman | htmlol, which software you using to access the file |
| 23:15.54 | dudeman | in my case it was wine and/or mplayer (those two softwares caused my system to lock up if i access my hdd) |
| 23:15.54 | htmlol | first time it happened, kaffeine |
| 23:15.54 | htmlol | second time, rtorrent |
| 23:15.54 | dudeman | without or without AHCI in bios |
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| 23:15.56 | dudeman | however, the messages have gone away though |
| 23:16.04 | dudeman | system has not locked up on file access anywhere yet |
| 23:16.09 | dudeman | I have no idea whats up with this |
| 23:16.22 | htmlol | so how do I do this AHCI thing? and what is it? |
| 23:16.34 | dudeman | !ahci |
| 23:16.34 | dpkg | ahci is probably Advanced Host Controller Interface |
| 23:16.40 | dudeman | heh |
| 23:16.49 | htmlol | h |
| 23:16.50 | htmlol | ah |
| 23:16.54 | dudeman | its a bios thing, either your hdd controller supports it or not |
| 23:16.54 | andrew[andrboot] | grr @ things |
| 23:16.56 | beeb22 | hi guys, I'm having a problem with a RAID setup, mdadm says that one of the disks is removed, but it shows up in /dev and the SMART tests on that disk check out fine |
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| 23:17.24 | beeb22 | do I have to manually add that disk back in or something |
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| 23:17.55 | htmlol | but how do I do it? |
| 23:18.14 | dudeman | check your motherboard manual |
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| 23:18.55 | dudeman | let me try to access some files that made me crash last night |
| 23:19.00 | dudeman | lets fine out whats going on |
| 23:19.23 | htmlol | ok |
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| 23:20.08 | htmlol | and then I'll just go into BIOS and fiddle |
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| 23:20.55 | dudeman | its fine now |
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| 23:20.59 | dudeman | htmlol, no problems |
| 23:21.22 | htmlol | excellent! |
| 23:21.27 | htmlol | alright I'll try that |
| 23:21.29 | dudeman | actually other than the error messages, and the system locking up when i tried wine/mplayer |
| 23:21.34 | dudeman | no problems |
| 23:21.39 | htmlol | AHCI. alright. |
| 23:21.43 | dudeman | I don't use mplayer or wine anymore |
| 23:21.47 | dudeman | system is fine |
| 23:21.49 | htmlol | I noticed it with specific files |
| 23:21.57 | dudeman | in fact totem-xine locks up in fullscreen but works otherwise |
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| 23:22.07 | dudeman | I'm not sure where this issue is |
| 23:22.26 | htmlol | I'll be back if it works or doesn't. try not to sign off for a bit :p |
| 23:22.44 | dudeman | im always here |
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| 23:23.42 | xlotlu | if i unplug a usb mouse and re-plug it, it doesn't get registered with X .. neither uhci nor ehci. udev is all fine, same is hal. i tried the same with a usb keyboard and that works properly... any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 23:24.50 | tonkar | hi all! i have a little question :D |
| 23:25.10 | dmoerner | tonkar: what is your question? |
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| 23:25.16 | dudeman | it better be little |
| 23:25.28 | tonkar | i have a program which asks for a input with a scanf |
| 23:25.29 | dudeman | I swear to god if it isnt little i'll kick yer ass |
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| 23:25.29 | dudeman | :) |
| 23:25.42 | dudeman | tonkar, that wasn't a question |
| 23:25.46 | tonkar | ok ok |
| 23:25.55 | dudeman | !tell tonkar -about ask |
| 23:25.59 | dudeman | !tell tonkar -about sicco |
| 23:26.01 | tonkar | wait, i try to translate the question, english is not my mother language |
| 23:26.07 | dudeman | take your time |
| 23:26.20 | tonkar | ok ..., i need something like ./program < "lala" |
| 23:26.39 | beeb22 | this is bizarre |
| 23:26.50 | Agent_bob | why would command "deallocvt" not close a tty ? what could cause this ? |
| 23:26.52 | beeb22 | why would mdadm just drop a device like that |
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| 23:27.14 | tonkar | and it didn't work :S |
| 23:27.26 | dmoerner | tonkar: what is the program's code, if it uses scanf? |
| 23:27.31 | tonkar | because i ask the input not as an arguments but as a scanf |
| 23:27.35 | tonkar | yep |
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| 23:27.54 | Agent_bob | deallocvt seems to work on everything below tty23 ;/ |
| 23:28.02 | christoz | tty23? |
| 23:28.04 | christoz | gee |
| 23:28.28 | christoz | Agent_bob, is it possible to hav 23 ty's |
| 23:28.32 | christoz | tty's* |
| 23:28.45 | Agent_bob | christoz 256 actually |
| 23:29.05 | christoz | really didn't know that |
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| 23:30.04 | Agent_bob | christoz and by default right_alt+f[1-12] moves to tty[13-24] |
| 23:30.39 | nn64 | .... |
| 23:30.48 | christoz | Agent_bob, i have only 6 tty's and the other six is for x sessions |
| 23:31.06 | christoz | o ok i got it |
| 23:31.35 | Agent_bob | christoz no. you have seven active with xorg running in tty7 but anyway |
| 23:31.58 | christoz | need to study :P |
| 23:32.13 | Agent_bob | man openvt :) |
| 23:32.22 | Agent_bob | man chvt |
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| 23:32.58 | Agent_bob | but why on this particular setup deallocvt doesn't close out tty23 is beyond me... |
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| 23:34.50 | Agent_bob | there is nothing suing that tty. and it's perms are normal... |
| 23:34.55 | Agent_bob | using |
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| 23:37.00 | Wyzard | dudeman: The message you mentione yesterday was not an error message |
| 23:37.10 | Wyzard | dudeman: The one htmlol pasted today is a different message, which is an error |
| 23:37.45 | tonkar | problem solved |
| 23:37.51 | tonkar | it was not difficult xD |
| 23:38.22 | andrew[andrboot] | hmm |
| 23:38.28 | tonkar | it worked with ./program < arg_file |
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| 23:39.24 | Agent_bob | tty24 [Agent_bob@ibm.~] fuser -k /dev/tty23 ;deallocvt 23 |
| 23:39.25 | Agent_bob | VT_DISALLOCATE: Device or resource busy |
| 23:39.25 | Agent_bob | deallocvt: could not deallocate console 23 |
| 23:39.25 | Agent_bob | tty24 [Agent_bob@ibm.~] |
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| 23:39.51 | Agent_bob | what three lines |
| 23:40.33 | Agent_bob | of sorry my bad four lines |
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| 23:48.24 | dudeman | Wyzard, oh I see. What were they then? |
| 23:49.06 | Wyzard | dudeman: normal messages about your SATA devices being detected during bootup |
| 23:49.30 | Wyzard | dudeman: You mentioned that you were getting lockups while using the drive, so there might have been actual errors later on, but not in what you pasted |
| 23:50.13 | dudeman | oh I see |
| 23:50.39 | dudeman | Wyzard, this happens when I run winecfg, start mplayer w or w/o video, smplayer, and fullscreen totem-xine |
| 23:50.42 | Kovensky | speaking of sata drives |
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| 23:50.45 | dudeman | Wyzard, it doesn't happen any other time |
| 23:51.40 | Kovensky | sometimes I get some "ata1.00: exception Emask 0x52 SAct 0x0 SErr 0xffffffff action 0x6" "ata1.00: (BMDMA stat 0x5)" "ata1.00: cmd c8/00:00:c2:ca:24/00:00:00:00:00/e4 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 131072 in" "res 51/84:af:13:cb:24/84:01:07:00:00/e4 Emask 0x52 (ATA bus error)" "ata1: hard resetting port" |
| 23:51.50 | Kovensky | in dmesg |
| 23:51.54 | dudeman | i get those too |
| 23:52.35 | Wyzard | Kovensky: "hard resetting port" generally means there was a communication failure with the drive, and the SATA controller is attempting to recover |
| 23:53.03 | Wyzard | That can be caused by a loose or defective cable, or a malfunctioning drive (not surface errors like bad sectors, but bad electronics or overheating) |
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| 23:53.19 | htmlol | alright |
| 23:53.26 | htmlol | I couldn't find the option in by bios |
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| 23:54.12 | Wyzard | or it could be a driver bug -- I used to have a system with a Silicon Image 3112 SATA controller, and although hard drives worked fine, if I plugged in a SATA optical drive, the driver would repeatedly reset the port and would be unable to communicate with anything (even hard drives) connected to the controller |
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| 23:54.38 | Wyzard | only in Linux; it worked fine in Windows, so I blame the Linux driver for that SATA controller |
| 23:54.38 | andrew[andrboot] | okas.. i need to delay my lvm mount on start up but i dont know how any ideas? everytime the box fires up now it goes to initramfs |
| 23:55.22 | Kovensky | I'm on linux 2.6.22 because 2.6.26 lacks my driver, guess what it is >< |
| 23:55.26 | htmlol | dogmeat: where did you see it in your BIOS? |
| 23:57.02 | htmlol | Wyzard: what was that thing called again? I want to google it. |
| 23:57.27 | Wyzard | htmlol: What was what called? |
| 23:57.41 | htmlol | that A- thing |
| 23:57.44 | htmlol | I had to enable |
| 23:57.46 | htmlol | in my BIOS |
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| 23:57.51 | Wyzard | AHCI? |
| 23:57.51 | htmlol | but couldn't find :( |
| 23:57.56 | htmlol | tthat's the one |
| 23:58.19 | Wyzard | I wasn't the one who told you to enable it, but it's a good idea to do so, if your system supports it (not all do) |
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| 23:58.32 | htmlol | this is an ATA drive btw |
| 23:58.35 | htmlol | on a laptop |
| 23:58.36 | Wyzard | AHCI is the best-supported type of SATA controller for Linux, afaik |
| 23:58.57 | Wyzard | All SATA drives are ATA |
| 23:59.06 | Wyzard | Do you mean it's a PATA (aka "IDE") drive? |
| 23:59.10 | dustybin | on my router i have options for: subnet mask, server, gateway, dns. what is the server address? |
| 23:59.31 | dogmeat | htmlol, bzzt wrong dude |
