| 00:01.34 | WormFood | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2787764010_d9e0f60141.jpg?v=0 I think everyone here who helps people want this |
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| 00:03.44 | jelly-home | WormFood: a Buick? No, thanks. |
| 00:04.08 | WormFood | no, the license plate on the buick (or what it says on it) :P |
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| 00:06.22 | EruditeHermit | hi, is it possible to reverse lookup the passphrase from a 128 bit WEP key? |
| 00:06.56 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:07.30 | vyrus001 | http://pastebin.ca/1195358 , can somebody help me figure out how to get a device on eth0 to talk to a device on eth1? |
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| 00:08.06 | EruditeHermit | I lost the passphrase and it is annoying to type the whole key in each time I want to add a device and I already have so many devices connected that it will be tiresome to change hte key |
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| 00:08.52 | streuner | 128 bit WEP sucks |
| 00:09.25 | streuner | easy to find that out |
| 00:10.13 | WormFood | EruditeHermit, brute force |
| 00:10.24 | WormFood | WEP is easily cracked |
| 00:10.37 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: I know the WEP key, I just want the passphrase |
| 00:10.38 | WormFood | I've even passively cracked 128 bit wep keys |
| 00:10.52 | WormFood | I know, you have to brute force the passphrase |
| 00:11.06 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: how do I do that? |
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| 00:11.20 | WormFood | there are many tools available to do that for you |
| 00:11.35 | WormFood | capture a packet (just one encrypted packet), and work on it |
| 00:11.49 | WormFood | I forget the name of the program I have in mind, but I have seen tools to do that for you |
| 00:11.58 | EruditeHermit | aircrack |
| 00:12.00 | EruditeHermit | yeah |
| 00:12.02 | WormFood | no |
| 00:12.06 | EruditeHermit | that takes a good hour |
| 00:12.07 | EruditeHermit | or two |
| 00:12.09 | Tramp | vyrus001: can both hosts ping their respective interface? |
| 00:12.22 | WormFood | it can do it, but there is better tools for bruteforcing the password |
| 00:12.34 | WormFood | why not just change the passphrase to something you know? |
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| 00:12.51 | vyrus001 | Tramp: yes |
| 00:12.55 | WormFood | ooohhh....it probably isn't your system you want the passphrase for |
| 00:13.00 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: I might just do that if this isn't simple |
| 00:13.09 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: it is, I am just lazy |
| 00:13.14 | WormFood | that is the simplest and easiest thing to do |
| 00:13.22 | EruditeHermit | ok I'll just do that |
| 00:13.34 | WormFood | it would take less time to make a new passprhase than type in your 128 bit wep key |
| 00:13.36 | EruditeHermit | I have to update about 7 things |
| 00:13.41 | WormFood | but WEP has MAJOR design flaws |
| 00:13.53 | Tramp | vyrus001: hmm. Is this some test-setup where eth4 simulates a public IP for some later productive deployment (just to understand, what's going on here) |
| 00:14.01 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: I might just change it all to WPA2 |
| 00:14.08 | WormFood | an active attack can crack your 128k wep key in about 10 minutes |
| 00:14.19 | Kovensky | winxp doesn't support wpa2 IIRC |
| 00:14.30 | Kovensky | but who cares about windoze ;) |
| 00:14.35 | vyrus001 | Tramp: there is an eth4 it has several public ip's on it, i just didnt post the ifconfig of that device for security by obscurity reasons |
| 00:14.36 | WormFood | I've passively cracked one 128bit wep key after monitoring for a day or two |
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| 00:14.52 | sgp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.52 | sgp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.54 | sgp | it seems to be the default system font, but I can't see how to set it |
| 00:14.56 | sgp | I had xfs and xfstt running; disabled those, still the same... any ideas? |
| 00:15.03 | WormFood | and we all know, that security by obscurity works so well |
| 00:15.13 | Tramp | vyrus001: ah, ok. I don't know the format of "iptables-save", so you did some manual editing work here ... |
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| 00:16.10 | vyrus001 | Tramp: yea, to edit the publics |
| 00:16.12 | Tramp | vyrus001: howeve, the internal IPs with those /28 nets are correct? |
| 00:16.58 | vyrus001 | Tramp: as far as i know, the ifconfigs for those devices are in the pastebin |
| 00:17.04 | Tramp | vyrus001: and you doulby checked the netmask of the sytems involved? |
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| 00:24.10 | vyrus001 | Tramp: the local netmasks are 255.255.255.224 |
| 00:24.14 | vyrus001 | wich is correct i beleave |
| 00:24.51 | Tramp | vyrus001: Looks ok then. On the router, run "tcpdump -veni <interface> icmp or arp" for both eth0 and eth1 simultanously. Then ping (3.2->3.34, I guess) and pastebin the output. If there is too much arp-traffic, leave out the "or arp". |
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| 00:25.52 | Tramp | vyrus001: I don't see, why you need iptables filter rules at all, when your policies are accept - but maybe this was changed during this debugging. |
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| 00:29.45 | Tramp | vyrus001: I also hope that I presume correctly, that both systems involved have this router's respective interface as their default-GW (i.e. 3.1 for 3.2 and 3.33 for 3.34) |
| 00:30.12 | vyrus001 | yep |
| 00:31.15 | Tramp | vyrus001: what OS are the two systems, btw? |
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| 00:32.39 | vyrus001 | Tramp: al debian |
| 00:33.02 | Tramp | vyrus001: ok. Then go on with the tcpdump. |
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| 00:33.22 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: I just changed it to WPA2 and changed the key |
| 00:33.30 | EruditeHermit | WormFood: thanks for kicking me out of lazyness |
| 00:34.04 | WormFood | glad I could help ;) |
| 00:34.19 | WormFood | now don't forget your passphrase this time :P |
| 00:35.12 | WormFood | my hobby is cracking WEP keys ;) |
| 00:35.17 | WormFood | passively |
| 00:35.28 | WormFood | there is no fun in an active attack....too easy |
| 00:36.05 | WormFood | I had 2 different networks, near where I (used to) work, using "tiger" as their 64 bit WEP key....hahahaha....in ASCII |
| 00:36.57 | elik | ain't that too short for a 64 bits key? |
| 00:37.45 | WormFood | no |
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| 00:37.53 | WormFood | because it does not really use 64 bits |
| 00:38.01 | WormFood | it is 56 bits of key |
| 00:38.13 | elik | oh, I see |
| 00:38.14 | WormFood | 64 bits total, but only 56 bits are unique |
| 00:38.39 | elik | still ain't 56 bits though |
| 00:38.41 | WormFood | that is why some people say "64 bits" and others say "56 bits"....both are the same |
| 00:39.03 | WormFood | like the 128 bit key is really 112 bits that are unique |
| 00:39.10 | WormFood | yeah it is |
| 00:39.18 | WormFood | it is just an incredibly poor design |
| 00:39.35 | WormFood | 128 bit WEP is secure....if you change your password every 2 minutes |
| 00:39.39 | elik | tiger is 5 chars, and 5*8 ain't 56 |
| 00:40.01 | jhamlin | Hey folks, when I right click on a file in KDE (etch) the pop-up menu has an item "actions" with subitems like "Encrypt file". Is there someplace I can configure what "Actions" are available?? |
| 00:40.05 | elik | say \0 is included... you're still missing one |
| 00:40.21 | WormFood | oh yeah....you're right....it is 40 bits |
| 00:41.00 | elik | that's getting weaker by the second :P |
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| 00:42.07 | elik | anyway, new kernel, gotta reboot |
| 00:42.11 | sabayonlive-2973 | if i type in terminal "lspci" and read the name of my pci wireless card, that means that i have the driver installed ? |
| 00:42.17 | WormFood | I even cracked one key that was 1234567890...hahaha |
| 00:42.36 | WormFood | no sabayonlive-2973....at least, I don't think so |
| 00:43.34 | sabayonlive-2973 | anyone knows that ? |
| 00:44.04 | WormFood | you want lsmod |
| 00:44.17 | WormFood | lsmod will tell you what modular drivers are loaded |
| 00:44.25 | WormFood | it will not tell you what is compiled into the kernel |
| 00:44.46 | sabayonlive-2973 | WormFood: does debian etch comes with ndiswrapper ? |
| 00:45.10 | WormFood | apt-cache search and see |
| 00:45.30 | WormFood | I don't run etch, I run sid...because I like my system to break after every update ;) |
| 00:46.06 | sabayonlive-2973 | well i am not running debian at this moment |
| 00:46.10 | WormFood | (I'm not joking....I really do have to fix things after almost every update on sid) |
| 00:46.18 | WormFood | what are you running then? |
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| 00:46.43 | sabayonlive-2973 | sabayonlive-2973 runs sabayon live |
| 00:47.04 | sabayonlive-2973 | my network is not working |
| 00:47.21 | sabayonlive-2973 | but in the livecd works property |
| 00:48.12 | sabayonlive-2973 | is there any way to pick my wireless kernel modules and than implant in my debian kernel modules ? |
| 00:49.15 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: if destination kernel matches the former one , you can copy the modules and run depmod -ae |
| 00:49.22 | sabayonlive-2973 | i am trying to make my ralink works for 3 days ... i spent more than 10 hours and nothing =_( |
| 00:49.50 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: wait ... explain exactly what i have to do |
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| 00:52.26 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: if he kernel on your live CD matches the debian s kernel where you wanna put your modules,then you just copy the ones on the live cd to your /lib/modules/`uname -r` .then run depmod -ae and you can use the modules |
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| 00:52.54 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: o.O ...amazing |
| 00:52.55 | Plouj | hi |
| 00:53.01 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: those modules will also require to habe been built using same gcc version.otherwise they will fail to load |
| 00:53.08 | Plouj | do I need to do anything to make /etc/motd actually show up after logins? |
| 00:53.16 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: =( |
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| 00:53.41 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: what s your problem anyway ? |
| 00:54.01 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: i can't connect using a ralink rt61 ... |
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| 00:54.55 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: i tried to compile the drivers , but when i "make" i get an error |
| 00:55.06 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: what s the error ? |
| 00:55.13 | Plouj | all I get is the last login info |
| 00:55.29 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: "can't find kernel.2.18.6-amd/build " |
| 00:55.39 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: something like that |
| 00:55.52 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: you need to install your kernel-headers |
| 00:56.25 | karmatronic | you might check this howto,http://susewiki.org/index.php?title=Setting_up_RT61_Wireless_Cards |
| 00:56.31 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: i already tried it... i "dpkg - i " it |
| 00:56.50 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: use apt-get or aptitude |
| 00:57.10 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: but i cant access internet |
| 00:58.12 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: i download the files manually and than i "dpkg -i" it |
| 00:58.14 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: did you make a network install ? |
| 00:58.29 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: nope dvd amd64 # 1 |
| 00:58.45 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: so you ve got all you need on the dvd ... |
| 00:59.21 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: just need the latest version of the RT61 Linux Drivers |
| 01:00.06 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: your device is PCI ? |
| 01:00.43 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: yes |
| 01:01.01 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: i already downloaded it |
| 01:01.12 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: so with http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz + your debian sdvd you ve got enough... |
| 01:01.24 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: but i receive a error when making |
| 01:01.36 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: ok i will Download from this page |
| 01:01.48 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: you need to apt-get install linux-headers |
| 01:02.05 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: the packages and its dependencies are on your DVD |
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| 01:02.54 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: i think i already done it ... how can i see if i have the headers ? |
| 01:03.17 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
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| 01:04.37 | WormFood | karmatronic, he can't apt-get install anything, because he isn't running debian right now |
| 01:04.59 | WormFood | sabayonlive-2973, I suggest you try #gentoo for help |
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| 01:05.05 | ANONYMOU5 | omfg |
| 01:05.10 | ANONYMOU5 | i got kicked out of windows and linux |
| 01:05.20 | ANONYMOU5 | all i needed was someone to help |
| 01:05.29 | Sling | maybe its your nickname? |
| 01:05.30 | ANONYMOU5 | because i accidently my whole mouse |
| 01:05.40 | ANONYMOU5 | Sling: I heard you like mudkipz? |
| 01:05.46 | Sling | sorry? |
| 01:05.56 | ANONYMOU5 | I accidently my whole mouse. |
| 01:06.00 | ANONYMOU5 | the whole thing. |
| 01:06.13 | Sling | you miss a word in that sentence |
| 01:06.14 | deus__ | ain't there missing a verb? |
| 01:06.14 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: ok ... i will reboot to debian and , give a lsmod to see if i have the module loaded , if not i will "make && makeinstall the driver" and pray for do not get an error |
| 01:06.20 | ANONYMOU5 | No. |
| 01:06.25 | ANONYMOU5 | It's between accidently and my |
| 01:06.32 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: dont pray |
| 01:06.37 | ANONYMOU5 | I KNO HOW TO USE A VERB GUYS |
| 01:06.40 | ANONYMOU5 | sheesh |
| 01:06.45 | ANONYMOU5 | I accidently my whole mouse. |
| 01:06.46 | ANONYMOU5 | Better? |
| 01:06.50 | Sling | i feel another kick coming up |
| 01:07.01 | ANONYMOU5 | !op Sling Flaming. |
| 01:07.03 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: hehe i am atheist ... good point |
| 01:07.03 | ANONYMOU5 | Me too. |
| 01:07.06 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: if you get an error,try installing kernel-headers or kernel-source matching your running kernel |
| 01:07.25 | dondelelcaro | ANONYMOU5: do you actually have a Debian related question? If not, kindly live. |
| 01:07.28 | ANONYMOU5 | So anyway, does anyone know how to fix my mouse? |
| 01:07.38 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: all you need is the archive you ve downloaded plus the debian s dvd, i swear ! |
| 01:07.41 | ANONYMOU5 | I am living, kindly. |
| 01:07.42 | dondelelcaro | s/live/leave/ |
| 01:07.49 | ANONYMOU5 | sliveleave? |
| 01:07.55 | karmatronic | sabayonlive-2973: dammit.shouldnt swear either :) |
| 01:07.59 | ANONYMOU5 | Is that some sort of exotic plant? |
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| 01:08.22 | deus__ | haha. |
| 01:08.42 | sabayonlive-2973 | karmatronic: ok i will give a shot ... but i will come back , thanks anyway |
| 01:08.47 | karmatronic | deus__: like simpsons aha ? |
| 01:08.47 | Sling | they get more creative every time |
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| 01:09.38 | ANONYMOU5 | Good job guys, you got my neighbors hostmask banned from freenode. |
| 01:10.07 | WormFood | I need to get caught up on the simpsons...I keep forgetting to download them |
| 01:10.31 | deus__ | I don't like the simpsons, i've seen them too many times |
| 01:10.46 | deus__ | getting boring after a while. |
| 01:10.58 | karmatronic | deus__: douh ! |
| 01:11.04 | deus__ | hehe |
| 01:11.22 | WormFood | I've seen every episode of the simpsons, except for this season |
| 01:11.35 | WormFood | they are the longest running animated show, ever |
| 01:11.44 | karmatronic | WormFood: they re like what,ath the 20st ? |
| 01:11.50 | Sling | simpsons is just the best |
| 01:12.09 | WormFood | I don't remember...something like that |
| 01:12.17 | Sling | spiderpig.. spiderpig.. |
| 01:12.20 | karmatronic | still watches old seinfeld ... |
| 01:12.21 | deus__ | Let's check imdb |
| 01:12.26 | WormFood | but don't forget, the simpsons was on teevee for 3 years, before they had their own show |
| 01:12.35 | Sling | seinfeld is also nice :) no soup for you! |
| 01:12.44 | karmatronic | Sling: :) |
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| 01:12.57 | WormFood | seinfeld was stupid |
| 01:13.03 | deus__ | apparently there are 420 eps |
| 01:13.04 | newsense | shit |
| 01:13.21 | WormFood | seinfeld may have been funny if you lived in the north, but they had too much regional humor I couldn't relate to, being from the south |
| 01:13.27 | newsense | seinfeld is funny |
| 01:13.28 | [nine] | north of what? |
| 01:13.30 | Sling | nah, everything that currently on tv, *that's* stupid |
| 01:13.35 | Sling | here in NL that is |
| 01:13.40 | karmatronic | heard seinfeld was he new recrue for communication in microsoft ..... |
| 01:13.44 | deus__ | according to imdb there are "only" 19 seasons :o) |
| 01:13.46 | karmatronic | it ruined the myth |
| 01:13.52 | Guerin | seinfeld might have been funny if it had stopped after the first season |
| 01:14.02 | newsense | i disagree |
| 01:14.04 | [nine] | as a british person, i never understood how seinfeld was funny. |
| 01:14.15 | newsense | i never watched it til the third at least |
| 01:14.24 | Sling | well i tend to like british humor better then american most of the time |
| 01:14.25 | WormFood | [nine], I'm from the south usa, and I didn't find it that funny |
| 01:14.27 | newsense | i love mr bean |
| 01:14.27 | Sling | except for The Office |
| 01:14.35 | Guerin | [nine]: as a colonial, I don't really get it either. But then, USians don't get Monty Python, so ... |
| 01:14.39 | WormFood | mony python's flying circus |
| 01:14.41 | newsense | american bean lover :P |
| 01:14.42 | karmatronic | i m french and found it excellent ... |
| 01:14.43 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:14.45 | WormFood | red dwarf |
| 01:14.51 | Sling | go away or we will taunt you a second time! |
| 01:14.54 | Guerin | US office < UK Office |
| 01:15.00 | newsense | "hello teddy" |
| 01:15.03 | [nine] | red dwarf \o/ |
| 01:15.04 | Sling | Guerin : yea thats what most ppl say |
| 01:15.11 | Sling | i guess i should have watched UK before US |
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| 01:15.19 | Guerin | US office might have been righteous if they'd made it their own somehow |
| 01:15.51 | newsense | beans movies are good too but the british shows are best |
| 01:15.52 | WormFood | I listened to the red dwarf radio show (or audio book) and they explained some things not in the teevee series...made a lot of sense |
| 01:15.57 | Guerin | but hell, i don't even like comedy. I like satire, but that's a different game. |
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| 01:16.01 | newsense | like when he dives |
| 01:16.04 | deadcat | is there some nfs changes lately that i cant read data on the remote machien which is owned by a user? i can mount and i have the same user on the local machine |
| 01:16.16 | newsense | or gets teddy an eyeball for christmas |
| 01:16.19 | karmatronic | sir abrotman s on holidays? |
| 01:16.19 | Guerin | deadcat: same username or same uid? |
| 01:16.26 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. |
| 01:16.34 | Guerin | deadcat: one or the other or both? |
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| 01:16.38 | [nine] | Guerin: i found both uk and us office funny :) i might count as a minority. |
| 01:16.56 | deus__ | there's also a german version of office i think |
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| 01:16.57 | [nine] | speaking of which, next series starts soon. |
| 01:16.58 | deadcat | Guerin: both.. it was working... but my desktop got restarted because of power outage |
| 01:16.59 | deus__ | well, it's kinda similar |
| 01:17.08 | deadcat | Guerin: been working |
| 01:17.12 | Guerin | deadcat: ok. No idea, then. |
| 01:17.19 | Sling | well im in the minority of people that dont like to be in minority's |
| 01:17.23 | Sling | so.. well im fucked |
| 01:17.40 | howudoinguise | lol |
| 01:17.40 | karmatronic | deadcat: so maybe one of the side still thinks nfs share is mounted... |
| 01:18.24 | howudoinguise | What is "Ban evasion is off topic on freenode. " supposed to mean? |
| 01:18.30 | deadcat | karmatronic: ya. the server got restarted too and partitions like var is readable (own by root), the other 2 dirs are owned by deadcat and www-data |
| 01:18.39 | Sling | deus__ : i was shocked when i saw the first UK ep after watching the US series |
| 01:18.43 | Sling | it was like a 1:1 copy |
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| 01:18.49 | howudoinguise | "Please contact kline@freenode.net if you think this kline has been set in error. (2008/09/06 01.09)" WELL ILL THINK ILL DO SO |
| 01:18.50 | Sling | but it turned out that UK was original :) |
| 01:18.53 | howudoinguise | HMPH |
| 01:18.59 | Guerin | howudoinguise: don't tell us about it |
| 01:19.08 | Guerin | howudoinguise: it's offtopic in hashdweebian as well |
| 01:19.09 | WormFood | I just installed Office 2007 for the first time for a friend, and upon running it for the first time, it reminds me of the joke: Q: how many microsoft programmers does it take to change a light bulb? A: none, we'll just get bill gates to declare "darkness" as a new standard |
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| 01:19.38 | howudoinguise | Guerin:Nobody asked you. Spam is not appreciated here. Please take the time to read over the server rules once more. |
| 01:19.43 | howudoinguise | Thank you. |
| 01:19.47 | Guerin | !ops howudoinguise |
| 01:19.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: howudoinguise |
| 01:20.07 | howudoinguise | lol |
| 01:20.11 | howudoinguise | How do you find that out? |
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| 01:20.21 | howudoinguise | That's cool. |
| 01:20.22 | Sling | we didnt even have to look at your hostname |
| 01:20.26 | Guerin | my ninja monkeys tell me |
| 01:20.34 | howudoinguise | Am I supposed to congratulate you? |
| 01:20.38 | howudoinguise | GJ GUISE |
| 01:20.42 | Guerin | no, you';re supposed to fuck off |
| 01:20.42 | Sling | no you are supposed to leave |
| 01:20.49 | Sling | ^5 |
| 01:20.54 | Guerin | !beer Sling |
| 01:20.54 | dpkg | pours a quart of Yuengling Lager for Sling |
| 01:21.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:21.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:21.18 | Guerin | that's how we do. THanks, anonymous k-liner |
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| 01:21.21 | deus__ | He's quite stubborn. |
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| 01:21.34 | WormFood | most trolls can be quite stubborn |
| 01:21.40 | Sling | and smelly |
| 01:21.41 | deus__ | and/or pretty drunk |
| 01:21.55 | Guerin | and not in the good way |
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| 01:22.09 | manu_hack | for cpufrequtils, except for FREQDRIVER=acpi-cpufreq, what can be chosen? couldn't find anythiny in the doc .. |
| 01:22.10 | Sling | not Max Tucker drunk |
| 01:22.16 | Sling | beer for anyone who knows that |
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| 01:22.51 | Sling | slaps himself, its Tucker Max |
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| 01:23.02 | RvN | ummm,i have installed postfix,dovocot,squiremail on my debian 4, I log on my squiremail without problm, but I dont receive any mail or Can't send one, it load and I got "Error" |
| 01:23.06 | Sling | http://www.tuckermax.com/ for the culturally inclined |
| 01:23.07 | RvN | someone have any idea? |
| 01:23.18 | Sling | RvN : was that the full error? |
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| 01:23.52 | deus__ | btw, is there a page or sth where I can check which packages are automatically installed when I choose "[x] Laptop" on a Lenny installation? |
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| 01:24.28 | dmoerner | deus__: look at tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 01:24.41 | deus__ | cheers |
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| 01:25.39 | wd3 | ok i'm so far fucking done.. i'm done! i'm done! gentoo can go to hell... i did one emerge -avuDN world and screwed up my server.. how difficult is it to update all in debian? |
| 01:26.06 | NeoIce | exactly. |
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| 01:26.26 | wd3 | NeoIce, me? |
| 01:26.33 | NeoIce | yep |
| 01:26.44 | wd3 | NeoIce, so you feel me. |
| 01:26.51 | NeoIce | oh yeah |
| 01:26.58 | NeoIce | apt-get is my freaking god. |
| 01:27.08 | Sling | its not *that* good |
| 01:27.08 | wd3 | NeoIce, i talked to you before.. thanks for the help in the past. |
| 01:27.48 | wd3 | NeoIce, i have two old laptops.. mac/old world ppc 32meg ram/166mhz.. debian sarge flys on it.. |
| 01:28.12 | wd3 | NeoIce, toshiba satellite 40meg ram./75 mhz 2g hd.. debian sarge again.. |
| 01:28.26 | wd3 | NeoIce, debian runs on anything.. omg.. |
| 01:28.30 | NeoIce | run a GUI on them? |
| 01:28.59 | wd3 | NeoIce, yes. fluxbox.. it was hell but i got it to run.. dillo as browser, aterm transp..whole nine. |
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| 01:29.05 | NeoIce | but yeah, you can run linux on a toaster :P |
| 01:29.08 | manu_hack | has 4 laptops running Debian |
| 01:29.30 | NeoIce | I'm actually not booted into deb currently because I cant get my wireless working |
| 01:29.35 | NeoIce | stupid nerfed Apple wireless cards |
| 01:29.36 | wd3 | NeoIce, i have gentoo on high end boxes and evertime i run -avuDN world.. issues.. i'm done man! |
| 01:30.04 | wd3 | NeoIce, hear me world i'm done. :) |
| 01:30.17 | wd3 | NeoIce, ok what's command to update everything in debian? |
| 01:30.30 | NeoIce | wd3: I run unstable and I've still nonly had ONE thing break: flash-nonfree. I didnt really want it anyway! |
| 01:30.33 | wd3 | NeoIce, apt-get update (?) what? |
| 01:30.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell wd3 -about debian mantra |
| 01:30.51 | wd3 | dondelelcaro, sorry |
| 01:30.54 | NeoIce | `apt-get update` grabs all the updates |
| 01:30.59 | wd3 | dondelelcaro, for ranting. |
| 01:31.15 | dondelelcaro | no worries |
| 01:31.22 | Sling | uhm that updates the repository database |
| 01:31.23 | wd3 | NeoIce, i thought that was updating just my sources list,.. it does apps as well? |
| 01:31.24 | NeoIce | I just added 'alias updates='apt-get update; apt-get upgrade'' to my bashrc |
| 01:31.27 | Sling | apt-get upgrade does the upgrades |
| 01:31.32 | NeoIce | upgrade, yeah |
| 01:31.39 | wd3 | Sling, ok |
| 01:31.44 | Sling | and apt-get dist-upgrade does *everything* |
| 01:31.47 | Sling | including kernel |
| 01:31.51 | Sling | see the manpage |
| 01:31.54 | wd3 | Sling, ok |
| 01:32.39 | RvN | Sling, the i.e bar load, load, load, after that I got: ERROR Server replied: |
| 01:33.06 | Sling | you should be looking for errors on the server, not at the client |
| 01:33.33 | RvN | Where I sould find the good log about this Sling? |
| 01:33.41 | k-os | can someone correct this command; apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -r' ? |
| 01:33.42 | Sling | default layout |
| 01:33.55 | Sling | whoops this is not #apache, i mean, /etc/apache2/error.log |
| 01:34.05 | Sling | or wherever ErrorLog is pointing |
| 01:34.10 | Sling | in the apache config file |
| 01:34.22 | Sling | eehm /var/log/apache2/error.log i mean |
| 01:34.28 | Sling | getting late here |
| 01:34.30 | hero100era | why log error in /etc? |
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| 01:34.34 | Sling | yea nvm |
| 01:34.40 | NeoIce | k-os: use ` instead of ' |
| 01:35.18 | k-os | NeoIce, ok, so that'll give me the sid headers? |
| 01:35.20 | wd3 | Sling, i read that apt-get is good.. should i use aptitude instead... was told that when apt-get doesn' t remove depends as well as app...true? |
| 01:35.22 | NeoIce | ` is the backtick and means 'execute this command and use the output' whereas ' is a single quote |
| 01:35.29 | Sling | wd3 thats true |
| 01:35.36 | NeoIce | k-os: it should, thats what I used |
| 01:35.41 | Sling | never do purges from aptitude with packages installed with apt-get |
| 01:35.52 | k-os | thought so too, what i get is; Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 01:35.57 | NeoIce | AH! |
| 01:36.03 | NeoIce | had that problem |
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| 01:36.09 | NeoIce | the etchnhalf headers are in etch repos |
| 01:36.20 | wd3 | Sling, ok..good to know.. oh i see..so always use aptitude.. what about the apps i have now using apt-get? |
| 01:36.24 | NeoIce | I expected them to be in lenny/sid too, but nope, only etch |
| 01:36.30 | k-os | i've upgraded to sid, just not sure how to get its kernel and headers |
| 01:36.30 | Sling | you can still do apt-get remove |
| 01:36.38 | Sling | and well apt-get isnt bad by any means |
| 01:36.39 | NeoIce | sling: why dont purge from aptitude? |
| 01:37.05 | Sling | NeoIce : not for packages installed with apt-get, it will mess stuff up |
| 01:37.37 | Guerin | not on lenny or newer |
| 01:37.38 | NeoIce | but why? I'd never heard that |
| 01:37.39 | wd3 | Sling, ok i can purge with apt-get tho right? |
| 01:37.57 | Sling | NeoIce : long story, google for it :) |
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| 01:38.02 | Guerin | NeoIce: in etch and older, apt and aptitude didn't play nice together |
| 01:38.03 | Sling | wd3 : yea |
| 01:38.04 | Guerin | they do nowadays |
| 01:38.06 | wd3 | ok |
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| 01:38.37 | Sling | i mainly use etch, thats why im pretty cautious with it |
| 01:39.12 | k-os | NeoIce, you know how i can get the the sid kernel headers? |
| 01:39.13 | mcquaid | i've read a bit about virtual interfaces, and access points. I'm wondering can both be done so a wireless cards connects to a router for net access but also doubles as an access point for other wireless clients? |
| 01:39.33 | wd3 | Sling, i'm gonna miss having all codecs as with gentoo is there a repos for these or just use vlc and hope for the best? |
| 01:39.59 | mcquaid | sorry I meant wireless card, only 1 card on the host machine that's why i want virtual interface |
| 01:40.05 | Sling | well a lot is in the nonfree repository |
| 01:40.18 | NeoIce | k-os: apt-cache search headers ? |
| 01:40.21 | Sling | and contrib |
| 01:40.30 | wd3 | Sling, ok |
| 01:40.43 | Sling | and for the rest there is mastercard |
| 01:40.43 | k-os | NeoIce, i get pretty much back from that command, how do i know which one is correct? |
| 01:40.46 | Sling | i mean dpkg |
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| 01:42.01 | NeoIce | my sid is running .26-i686, so its really system-dependent |
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| 01:51.23 | [SilverFox] | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spore-in-canada dudes watch me fucking play spore YEAH MAN YEAH! |
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| 01:51.31 | deus__ | goodnight |
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| 02:11.26 | LNXUSR | does anyone have a rt61 wireless card ? |
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| 02:14.00 | Tramp | !rt61 |
| 02:14.00 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 02:14.51 | koldpenguin | Sorry to bother: could someone point me to a walk through/howto for installing nvidia driver on etchnhalf? |
| 02:16.11 | mo1991 | Does anyone here have some knowledge of Uberkey key logger? It seems that X seems to be messing it up. when uberkey is running some of the keystrokes do not show up on a command prompt and in general it seems to really be slowing the system down. It used to work fine. Also, it works fine without X. One thing I thought of is that I am running lenny amd64 version. Do you think this could be the problem as uberkey is only co |
| 02:16.11 | mo1991 | mpiled for x86? |
| 02:17.53 | Tramp | !tell koldpenguin about nvidia_post_etch |
| 02:18.18 | Tramp | koldpenguin: maybe that helps? |
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| 02:19.39 | dudeman | is drunk!!!! |
| 02:20.10 | koldpenguin | Tramp: i see what you were triing to do but debhelper didn't respond |
| 02:20.30 | koldpenguin | !nvidia |
| 02:20.30 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 02:20.36 | Tramp | koldpenguin: it's dpkg. Try /msg dpkg ... |
| 02:20.51 | koldpenguin | Tramp: thanks |
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| 02:24.13 | Decepticon | how do i create ln -s for every file that appears in ~/watch_folder/new_file to ~/public_html/new_file besides using cron every 1 hour and comparing ls output |
| 02:24.38 | Guerin | Decepticon: watch |
| 02:24.51 | Decepticon | i am watching |
| 02:25.06 | Decepticon | man watch? |
| 02:25.29 | Guerin | there's aomsthing else which does it too - I forget the name |
| 02:25.33 | Guerin | yes, man watch |
| 02:25.38 | Guerin | but there's a better one |
| 02:25.45 | Guerin | d-something |
| 02:26.13 | Decepticon | i thought there was something that checked changes to a file and you could script it to do things |
| 02:26.37 | Guerin | yeah, there is |
| 02:26.54 | Guerin | dnotify |
| 02:26.58 | Guerin | that's the sucker |
| 02:27.27 | Decepticon | ah |
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| 02:31.19 | mo1991 | hmmm, can anyone help me with a keylogger? Uberkey and lkl seem really to slow down the system when running lenny amd64 |
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| 02:34.45 | Guerin | mo1991: keyloggers and suchlike are things people tend not to give help with. Like mass-mailing programmes, password crackers and `i forgot the root pass to my remote box, can someone help me haxx0r it?' |
| 02:34.55 | Guerin | so good luck with that. |
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| 02:36.14 | mo1991 | Guerin - I understand that, I am more wondering if the fact that uberkey and lkl are written for i386 rather than amd64 and am wondering if this is the reason that the system would slow so much. i have used them both in the past and am not really looking for any howto, rather wondering about the performance difference |
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| 02:36.44 | stanis_sh1 | Hello. How can I make something like wget's --limit-rate when using apt-get? |
| 02:36.50 | Guerin | I don't imagine that would make any great difference to the performance, but then, I know nothing much about 'em. |
| 02:37.16 | zinx | mo1991: i386 programs will not slow the computer any more than amd64 ones will |
| 02:37.19 | Guerin | stanis_sh1: there is an internal rat-limiting function in apt, but it's not documented and tricky. Better to use trickle(1) |
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| 02:38.37 | dudeman | hey |
| 02:38.41 | dudeman | Guerin, what the fuck is up |
| 02:38.44 | dudeman | man long time no see |
| 02:38.51 | dudeman | what up what up asshole! |
| 02:38.58 | dudeman | kicks Guerin in da nutz |
| 02:39.09 | dudeman | sorry i had to do that :D hope you understand |
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| 02:40.27 | netdaemon | any way to list all *explicetly* install packages? |
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| 02:41.49 | stanis_sh1 | Guerin - so it is that easy? Just tickle -d X apt-get ... ? |
| 02:42.27 | Guerin | stanis_sh1: yep. |
| 02:42.37 | stanis_sh1 | Guerin thanks a lot |
| 02:42.44 | Guerin | welcome |
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| 02:51.24 | BBHoss | Hi, I am using Duplicity, and I am trying to restore a backup, however I get this error: "duplicity.collections.CollectionsError: No backup chains found " can anyone comment on this? |
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| 02:58.06 | dudeman | hey dude |
| 02:58.23 | dudeman | Guerin, wtf dude |
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| 03:03.31 | khaleel5100 | is there a tool to check for bad sectors on ext3? [on debian lenny |
| 03:03.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | fsck? |
| 03:03.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | fsck.ext3 specifically? |
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| 03:09.07 | basix | has anybody installed Debian Testing on a Lenovo T400 ? |
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| 03:15.14 | dureyes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.15 | netdaemon | dureyes, its probably the difference between 1024 megs in a gig and 1000 megs in a gig |
| 03:16.20 | basix | dureyes, yes. GiB is different from GB. 1GB = 1000MB while 1GiB = 1024MiB |
| 03:16.44 | vorpal | 10^3 vs 2^10 |
| 03:17.09 | dureyes | thank you... :) |
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| 03:17.18 | basix | let me rephrase my question, what kernel version should I go for if i'm to have no problems with the latest intel wifi adapters in laptops ( viz. 5100 and 5300 series ) |
| 03:17.56 | vorpal | dureyes: this argument does not apply to your situation |
| 03:18.10 | vorpal | dureyes: memory is always given in powers of two |
| 03:18.27 | vorpal | although the manufacturers do not use correct notation |
| 03:18.50 | dmoerner | basix: latest 2.6.27 |
| 03:19.11 | vorpal | dureyes: the reason you are seeing less memory than what you have installed could be for other reasons |
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| 03:19.36 | basix | dmoerner, i cant find 2.6.27 in sid. |
| 03:19.40 | vorpal | dureyes: e.g., sometimes memory is shared with the graphics adapter |
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| 03:19.48 | dureyes | bios shows the whole 8GB |
| 03:19.59 | basix | dureyes, does it show any shared memory? |
| 03:20.03 | dmoerner | basix: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 03:20.35 | dureyes | no share ram in bios...on debian I am not sure.. how can I check? |
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| 03:21.36 | zinx | dmoerner: i think the 5000 series drivers were supposed to make it in to 2.6.26 but may not have for some reason.. you'll need the firmware too, which i don't think debian provides currently - it's at http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-5000-ucode-5.4.A.11.tar.gz |
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| 03:21.54 | zinx | erh |
| 03:22.01 | zinx | s/dmoerner/basix/ |
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| 03:22.52 | dmoerner | zinx: basix http://lwn.net/Articles/293886/ suggests you should grab git and explicitly refereces 2.6.27-rc3 |
| 03:22.53 | basix | zinx, okay. so for the T400 should i go with testing or unstable? |
| 03:23.13 | basix | dmoerner, ok. |
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| 03:23.21 | dmoerner | actually 2.6.26-rc6 might be new enough but i'm not 100% sure |
| 03:23.36 | zinx | basix: you can use just about any kernel with Debian, just make sure you build it with make-kpkg |
| 03:24.14 | dmoerner | or debian/rules calls if the kernel is from debian and already has a debian/ directory, but you shouldn't have to worry about that |
| 03:24.52 | deadcat | anyone mounts nfs partitions on remote machine owned by users other than root? i cant ls into those dir on the local machine which owned by same user (local/remote) |
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| 03:25.53 | basix | dmoerner, zinx okay. if i'm to install unstable, do i first installing testing and do a distro upgrade? |
| 03:26.13 | dmoerner | basix: if you have a business card cd you can boot it with "expert" mode and directly install sid |
| 03:26.39 | p1ngp0ng | does truecypt require Xserver? |
| 03:26.59 | p1ngp0ng | requier* |
| 03:27.22 | basix | dmoerner, can i do the same from a flash drive? |
| 03:27.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | p1ngp0ng, not really a debian question |
| 03:28.06 | dmoerner | basix: it depends on the kind of flash drive install. if you use netboot kernels, no. if you use regular kernels with the business card cd on the flash drive, then yes |
| 03:28.43 | p1ngp0ng | Kamping_Kaiser: i know. but does it? |
| 03:28.51 | p1ngp0ng | im asking becuase i cant figure it out |
| 03:28.52 | dmoerner | the normal directions for how to do a flash drive install use the second method by the way--the first isnt officially documented to my knolwedge |
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| 03:29.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | p1ngp0ng, no idea. ask the truecrypt people |
| 03:30.15 | dureyes | sudo lshw |
| 03:30.16 | basix | dmoerner, how do i go about doing that? |
| 03:30.44 | dmoerner | basix: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html |
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| 03:31.48 | basix | dmoerner, thanks! one more question. should i wipe out vista completely? coz i really have no use for it.. |
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| 03:32.32 | dmoerner | basix: does lenovo still support flashing the bios from usb drives? if you need to use a floppy or some dumb windows util to get bios updates it might be worthwhile to keep vista |
| 03:33.10 | basix | dmoerner, i dont know. dont have the laptop in hand right now :| |
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| 03:33.40 | dmoerner | basix: i would imagine you would have plenty of hard disk space to keep a small vista install...you never know when you might need it |
| 03:33.43 | basix | dmoerner, why would i need to upgrade the BIOS? |
| 03:34.04 | umarzuki | hi guys |
| 03:34.12 | dmoerner | basix: if it has a bug. especially for a machine thats as packed with brand new chipsets as a t400, there might be bios updates |
| 03:34.42 | umarzuki | never done theming before, so how do i change my theme with this one http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotnewinstallinsvm6.png |
| 03:35.21 | umarzuki | sorry here http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MurrinaAurantium-2?content=88577&PHPSESSID=fa5922304a0dc7ca35e3c83e99c4120d |
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| 03:35.52 | umarzuki | i couln't seem to do it from Appearence |
| 03:35.54 | basix | dmoerner, oh...hmm...i'll keep it then. i'm planning to wipe the drive and reinstall *doze then or should just resize it? |
| 03:36.00 | dmoerner | umarzuki: if its an engine you will have to download it and compile it. if its just a theme then extract it to ~/.themes |
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| 03:36.03 | [SilverFox] | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spore-in-canada dudes watch me fucking play spore YEAH MAN YEAH! |
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| 03:36.19 | dmoerner | basix: i'd just resize |
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| 03:37.08 | basix | dmoerner, okay. i checked sid has the 2.6.26 kernel. when will the 2.6.27 be in? |
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| 03:37.51 | umarzuki | dmoerner, i did, but in Preference, said theme is not available (yet) |
| 03:38.13 | stencoremoi | is there a site like deviantart but only with wallpaper related to debian? |
| 03:38.22 | umarzuki | dmoerner, do i need to reset the theme cache or something? |
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| 03:40.02 | dmoerner | basix: 2.6.27-rc6 will be released in a couple of days, and there will probably be two more rcs before it is stable and then put in sid. until then you can get the experimental snapshots from the link i gave you |
| 03:40.42 | umarzuki | dmoerner, in the folder, there's a gtkrc file |
| 03:40.55 | umarzuki | what do i do with that? |
| 03:41.02 | umarzuki | replace old one |
| 03:41.02 | basix | dmoerner, do i need to install it from source or is it a binary? |
| 03:41.11 | dmoerner | that's what Appearances is looking for. if it says "theme not ready" i don't know |
| 03:41.14 | dmoerner | basix: it's a binary |
| 03:41.37 | basix | dmoerner, thanks. i hope my hw is supported out of the box :) |
| 03:42.00 | jescis | would apache_1.3.41 replace the apache-common package from debian? or another package? |
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| 03:49.56 | hesco | why would an apt-get install gcc-4.1 leave me with an empty response to root asking `which cc` and `which gcc`? |
| 03:50.28 | stencoremoi | hesco because the framework is designed to response |
| 03:50.52 | hesco | you lost me on that one. What do you mean please? |
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| 03:52.18 | stencoremoi | hesco try apt-get install gcc |
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| 03:57.08 | grendelson | Running testing - whe I try to upgrade , parted, qtparted, etc are held back - where so I read to find otu why they are held back and if I want to manually upgrade do I then dist-upgrade or jsut install by name? |
| 03:58.20 | grendelson | My assumption is that held back upgrade are becasue they would cause another file to get intalled or an upgrade to a system file (thus a dist-upgrade would work...) |
| 03:58.46 | grendelson | But I suddently realized I don't know where to go to read about packages that are held back in testing to see what the status is.... |
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| 04:02.44 | Benalex | Hello all.. I am trying to install debian and all stable iso images cannot detect my NIC (needs e1000e driver) any ideas? |
| 04:04.27 | dmoerner | Benalex: you can try lenny beta 2 |
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| 04:05.21 | Benalex | dmoerner is there a way to make sure that it has my NIC driver before downloading it? |
| 04:06.30 | Rusty1 | grendelson: have you tried aptitude upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade to see what it suggests? |
| 04:06.57 | dmoerner | Benalex: it does. e1000e is definitely supported by 2.6.25 |
| 04:07.31 | Benalex | dmoerner thank you |
| 04:07.32 | grendelson | Rusty1, SOrry I answered part of my question - I needed to do dist-upgrade since parted introduced a NEW dependency that was not installed. I wasn't sure how to SEE the de[endency... |
| 04:07.53 | dmoerner | grendelson: aptitude should tell you normally |
| 04:08.03 | grendelson | Oh ok - I am using apt-get |
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| 04:08.26 | grendelson | that may be why I'm running into weirdness - I jsut fall back into apt-get patterns |
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| 04:08.48 | dmoerner | grendelson: apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade also works |
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| 04:11.12 | grendelson | Thanks - I got it now - I tried it with both apt-get and aptitude - obviously aptitude gives a lot more info and tries to remove the previous lib that I think I would have had to use apt-get auto-remove to do.... |
| 04:11.19 | grendelson | but I see now - thatnks! |
| 04:12.07 | dudeman | hey |
| 04:12.19 | dudeman | my backspace key is not working |
| 04:12.22 | dudeman | XTerm*eightBitInput: false |
| 04:12.22 | dudeman | XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true |
| 04:12.35 | dudeman | xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_L = Meta_L Alt_L" |
| 04:12.53 | dudeman | I tried everything but I am unable to make my backsspace work in irssi |
| 04:12.57 | dudeman | it used to work before i rebooted |
| 04:13.00 | dudeman | i dunno wtf is going on |
| 04:13.09 | dudeman | any help |
| 04:13.33 | stencoremoi | dudeman #irssi |
| 04:14.40 | stencoremoi | Escape is not backspace |
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| 04:17.04 | dudeman | huh |
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| 04:17.46 | dudeman | backspace works elsewhere just not in irssi |
| 04:18.06 | dudeman | and if you see, escape ends |
| 04:18.16 | dudeman | er.. meta sends escape |
| 04:18.24 | dudeman | alt = meta, so |
| 04:18.38 | stencoremoi | dude give me a minute i try to remember a link |
| 04:18.39 | dudeman | so my alt key works like alt+1 |
| 04:18.41 | dudeman | etc. etc. |
| 04:18.44 | dudeman | ok tyt |
| 04:19.26 | nachos | how do i adjust my date/time/timezone? |
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| 04:19.36 | dudeman | sudo tzconfig |
| 04:19.57 | dudeman | sudo install ntpdate ; sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 04:20.00 | dudeman | !ntp |
| 04:20.00 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 04:20.27 | stencoremoi | dudeman did you read the startup howto? |
| 04:20.34 | dudeman | c'mon man |
| 04:20.42 | dudeman | pretend like I'm not a newb please |
| 04:20.52 | dudeman | backspace was working before i rebooted... |
| 04:20.54 | dudeman | in irssi |
| 04:21.10 | dudeman | i just don' tknow where to start troubleshooting |
| 04:22.27 | stencoremoi | dudeman http://blog.chinaunix.net/ssi/searchtext.html |
| 04:22.27 | dudeman | asdf |
| 04:22.49 | dudeman | uhm |
| 04:23.02 | dudeman | i don't read chinese |
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| 04:25.13 | stencoremoi | dudeman http://imagefap.com/image.php?id=685455080&pgid=&gid=1288762&page=2 |
| 04:25.16 | Guerin | dudeman: i've been at the beach, you dickhead |
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| 04:25.58 | dudeman | stencoremoi, every single one of those girls is FUGLY |
| 04:26.11 | dudeman | and stop pasting pics of chics in #debian |
| 04:26.16 | dudeman | ffs. |
| 04:26.43 | stencoremoi | dudeman http://imagefap.com/image.php?id=685455080&pgid=&gid=1288762&page=28 |
| 04:26.48 | dudeman | no thanks. |
| 04:26.51 | dudeman | go fuck yourself. |
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| 04:28.01 | stew | stencoremoi: i've silenced you for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 04:28.39 | dudeman | stew, necrophagist concert tomorrow, I'll be in the city w/ rahul if you wanna hang |
| 04:28.41 | stew | dudeman: please keep it on-topic |
| 04:28.51 | dudeman | other than that, i need help with baskspace |
| 04:28.58 | dudeman | damn key dont work in irssi but everywher eelse |
| 04:29.19 | dudeman | stew, it used to work b efore I rebooted, and then i dunno it won't work. I have my .Xresoruces containing proper lines, I've even triex xmodmap |
| 04:29.23 | dudeman | nothing helps |
| 04:29.53 | dudeman | and #irssi is dead |
| 04:30.45 | dmoerner | dudeman: are you on #irssi on ircnet? |
| 04:30.49 | hoxu | dudeman, are you using unstable? I don't think it's an irssi problem |
| 04:30.54 | dudeman | no only on here |
| 04:30.55 | dudeman | lenny |
| 04:30.58 | dudeman | debian lenny |
| 04:31.14 | hoxu | dudeman, check dpkg.log to see what you upgraded, then bts |
| 04:31.26 | dudeman | hoxu, well it worked before reboot. and also i upgrade nothing in weeks |
| 04:31.31 | dudeman | no changes other than reboot |
| 04:31.45 | dudeman | 1) reboot, key works fine. 2) reboot, key doesn't work at all |
| 04:32.00 | dudeman | so im kinda confused, and ya'llk now im not a newb i been here for 7 years and etc. etc. |
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| 04:32.06 | hoxu | dudeman, maybe your irssi process was running longer than when you upgraded packages? |
| 04:32.08 | nachos | whats this networkmanager bs in debian |
| 04:32.14 | dudeman | hm |
| 04:32.24 | dudeman | hoxu, no actually I restard irssi too |
| 04:32.33 | hoxu | dudeman, it could be termcap/screen/ncurses problem or something like that |
| 04:32.39 | dudeman | hm |
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| 04:34.02 | dudeman | damn no luck |
| 04:34.26 | hoxu | dudeman, try running "cat" out screen and see what backspace prints, then do it in screen |
| 04:34.49 | hoxu | hmm, wait... |
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| 04:37.27 | dudeman | xev reports both keys reporting fine |
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| 04:38.47 | snarfer | Hi there, I'm new to debian (used to gentoo), and I'm trying to upgrade wget with "apt-get upgrade wget", but it seems to want to upgrade everything, including proftpd and the kernel... |
| 04:38.51 | dudeman | keycode 22 (keysym 0xff08, BackSpace) |
| 04:38.52 | dudeman | keycode 107 (keysym 0xffff, Delete) |
| 04:38.53 | snarfer | How can I upgrade JUST wget? |
| 04:38.55 | dudeman | what i need to do |
| 04:39.03 | dudeman | is to map 107 to 22/backspace |
| 04:39.24 | dudeman | I have of course tried to use xmodmap and no luck |
| 04:39.25 | dudeman | :( |
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| 04:39.53 | stew | !tell dudeman about enter |
| 04:40.06 | Guerin | snarfer: you can't. It's dynamically linked, and if it needs another libc (or somesuch) anything else dependent on that needs replaced too |
| 04:40.09 | stew | snarfer: "apt-get instal packagename" |
| 04:40.23 | stew | snarfer: errr "install" |
| 04:40.26 | dudeman | stew, are you going to help me with my problem? |
| 04:40.34 | snarfer | stew, it's installed, I need to upgrade it. I've already tried that, and it still pulls in initrd and proftpd |
| 04:41.05 | stew | snarfer: install means "install or upgrade" |
| 04:41.14 | hoxu | dudeman, do you have "/bind backspace backspace" in irssi? |
| 04:41.22 | dudeman | hoxu, never did that |
| 04:41.27 | stew | dudeman: probably not |
| 04:41.28 | dudeman | hoxu, so I shouldn't think so |
| 04:41.39 | dudeman | stew, yeh... thats what I thought. |
| 04:41.46 | snarfer | Guerin, if I upgrade the kernel, I'll need to reboot the computer, but the problem is it's a dedicated server, so I can't risk having to reboot the server without having to notify everyone on it |
| 04:42.13 | snarfer | plus, I'd have to inform the ISP that's what's going on, so that they can reboot the server manually if anything goes arwy |
| 04:42.16 | stew | dudeman: please don't use enter in place of punctuation. it makes it harder for people to follow what you are saying and is annoying |
| 04:42.28 | dudeman | I understand. |
| 04:42.29 | Guerin | snarfer: solution: don't upgrade wget |
| 04:42.58 | Guerin | snarfer: strategic solution: don't run a dedicated server on anything other than stable |
| 04:42.59 | snarfer | Why, though, would wget pull in an entire kernel version. |
| 04:43.14 | Guerin | snarfer: do you understand dynamic linking, or not? |
| 04:44.27 | snarfer | not really, no. But I still don't understand why any single package needs to pull in a whole new kernel, let alone proftpd |
| 04:44.34 | stew | snarfer: if "aptitude install packagename" is installing more than just a new version of a package then it means that either the newer vesion of the package has new dependencies or you have some other previously queued actions that apt-get wants to complete |
| 04:45.06 | snarfer | Can I check if there's a queue for apt ? |
| 04:45.12 | stew | snarfer: try "apt-get -f install" or "aptitutde -f install" (with no package name) with should perform any previously queued actions first |
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| 04:45.15 | snarfer | And are there any tools to check dynamic linking? |
| 04:45.17 | dudeman | hoxu, any luck yet buddy? |
| 04:45.23 | Guerin | snarfer: go read about dynamic linking and it'll all be clear to you. Short answer: each of the packages contains some code from a shared library. Upgrade one package, you need to upgrade the lib. Upgrade the lip, you need to upgrade all packages using code from it. |
| 04:45.33 | Guerin | snarfer: ld* |
| 04:45.45 | snarfer | Guerin, ok, makes sense. |
| 04:46.27 | snarfer | although, is there some way to check what apt has queued? |
| 04:46.49 | stew | a kernel, however, doesn't use or provide any shared libraries. so if 'apt-get install foo' is wantingn to upgrade a kernel, it is likely becuaes of some previously queued action |
| 04:48.02 | dudeman | xmodmap -e "keysym BackSpace = Delete" <-- no luck |
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| 04:49.25 | snarfer | stew, that's what I figured. Is there some way to see what apt has queued? |
| 04:49.35 | hoxu | dudeman, don't mess with the modmap, try "/bind backspace backspace" in irssi |
| 04:49.59 | dudeman | nope |
| 04:50.01 | dudeman | no luck |
| 04:50.44 | hoxu | dudeman, what does backspace do in irssi then? Nothing? |
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| 04:51.21 | hoxu | xan, dns spam is not appreciated on freenode I believe |
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| 04:51.48 | dudeman | yup |
| 04:51.50 | dudeman | notiong |
| 04:52.05 | hoxu | dudeman, does it work in screen? |
| 04:52.05 | dudeman | no wit stopped working in everywhere sicne i fucke dup the keysym |
| 04:52.08 | dudeman | nope |
| 04:52.11 | dudeman | no where now |
| 04:52.24 | dudeman | now backspace sends deelte ugh how do i fix it |
| 04:52.57 | dudeman | xmodmap: commandline:1: bad keysym name 'Backspace' in keysym list |
| 04:53.11 | dudeman | what the FUCK is going on!!! |
| 04:53.44 | dudeman | why the FUCK is linux so fucking stupid. |
| 04:53.49 | dudeman | I swear to god. |
| 04:53.59 | netdaemon | pebkac |
| 04:54.12 | dudeman | well duh.. but linux doesn't make it easy either does it... |
| 04:54.30 | dudeman | a simple think like using backspace is causing headaches where it shouldn't... I fi |
| 04:54.34 | dudeman | fucking ENTER key! |
| 04:54.34 | dudeman | !;aoiufdi;oplsa;kldf |
| 04:54.35 | dudeman | ][\fuck |
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| 04:55.18 | netdaemon | heh |
| 04:55.23 | netdaemon | cursing does nothing |
| 04:55.33 | newsense | i think linux makes it easier to gather information on processes services devices etc |
| 04:55.52 | newsense | windows is cryptic |
| 04:55.57 | netdaemon | i just love UNIX and UNIX like OS's |
| 04:56.06 | netdaemon | more flexible |
| 04:56.06 | newsense | me too |
| 04:56.43 | netdaemon | and i know i can get app x to work on UNIX/Linux Y |
| 04:56.58 | newsense | i like to "know" what my boxes are doing |
| 04:58.10 | netdaemon | and tbh, i do prefer the BSDs, but their hardware support doesn't agree with my hardware |
| 04:58.13 | netdaemon | so here i am |
| 04:58.34 | newsense | ahhh hence the nick |
| 04:58.48 | netdaemon | had some influence =) |
| 04:59.01 | newsense | i would try it on my next project box |
| 04:59.15 | netdaemon | but yeah...guys like that give me a chuckle |
| 04:59.27 | jescis | if I stop irssi will I still be on irc? |
| 04:59.28 | newsense | mascot is cool |
| 04:59.31 | netdaemon | as my old prof would say "windows weenies" |
| 04:59.33 | netdaemon | jescis, no |
| 04:59.49 | jescis | bummer |
| 05:00.00 | netdaemon | jescis, look into screen though if you want to do such things |
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| 05:00.53 | jescis | I want to use jobs, fg, and bg though |
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| 05:02.05 | newsense | jescis: use bg than |
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| 05:13.09 | wd | just installed etch why do i have to put netinstall cd in order to download from sources.list sites? |
| 05:13.33 | Guerin | probably because the cd is listed above them |
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| 05:13.49 | wd | Guerin: i looked didn't see it ..i'll look harder ty |
| 05:15.16 | wd | Guerin: oh you are so smart :) hey thanks didn't see when i cat file. |
| 05:17.09 | wd | Guerin: installed etch.. do i need to put backports in sources.list or is just etch ok. |
| 05:17.28 | wd | Guerin: sorry |
| 05:18.01 | wd | Guerin: i meant to ask.. in order to have current stable apps i need to put backports in sources list? |
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| 05:19.57 | hoxu | !tell wd about upgrade path |
| 05:20.04 | hoxu | !tell wd about bpo |
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| 05:23.10 | esam | He. Since kernel 2.6.24 and above (i.e.: the change from /proc/acpi to /sys/acpi) I'm having much troubles resuming from suspend (and other minor annoyances such as e17's incapability to read my battery state, etc.) Is there a fix for this issue? I've been searching for a while and most solutions involved the recompilation of the kernel in order to switch some legacy support in acpi. Anything simpler or more effective? |
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| 05:24.52 | snarfer | Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'QAH001.local' error: Name or service not known |
| 05:25.21 | snarfer | what does that mean? I've searched the proftpd config for ipv6, and nothing turned up. |
| 05:25.27 | Guerin | snarfer: #proftpd |
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| 05:29.15 | hoxu | can you shrink ext3 partitions by passing the same size to resize2fs & lvresize, eg. "resize2fs /dev/foo 3G && lvresize --size 3G /dev/foo"? |
| 05:30.51 | Gun_Smoke | I'm looking over Intel site trying to find out if Tx-Power=14 dBm is correct or not for a 4965. I have the pdf of tech specs and I'm either not understanding what I'm seeing or it just isn't listed there. What is the correct Txpower of a 4965? |
| 05:32.52 | m4ggus | cd |
| 05:32.59 | m4ggus | args sry :< |
| 05:33.11 | Skaperen | m4ggus: ${HOME} ? |
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| 05:34.20 | m4ggus | nah work :s home would be fine *g |
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| 05:34.36 | nachos | hey how can i configure my startup services? |
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| 05:34.43 | nachos | like postgres, apache, etc. |
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| 05:35.31 | m4ggus | nachos: man update-rc.d |
| 05:35.40 | superlinux | hi all |
| 05:35.57 | adama | high |
| 05:36.16 | superlinux | i have this serious problem, and i could not know how to express it to google to find a solution. |
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| 05:38.08 | superlinux | well i am using xmame to emulate arcade games. |
| 05:38.18 | superlinux | i am using the svgalib version of it |
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| 05:38.36 | wd | hoxu: do i have to use aptitude? what about apt-get? and also.. i read to do aptitude install debian backports keyring && aptitude update.. what's keyring? |
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| 05:39.20 | superlinux | when i exit the game the console does not return to normal. it just makes the screen in active |
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| 05:41.58 | hoxu | !tell wd about why aptitude |
| 05:42.27 | hoxu | wd, use aptitude, don't use apt-get except for commands that aptitude doesn't support |
| 05:42.53 | wd | hoxu: ok |
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| 05:43.33 | wd | hoxu: i read about the orphan depends but i thought apt-get --purge was ok as well. |
| 05:43.34 | hoxu | wd, debian packages are signed with keys to prevent them from being tampered with; backports has its own keyring which you need to install |
| 05:43.52 | wd | hoxu: awesome... ok |
| 05:43.58 | hoxu | wd, purge removes package configs, it has got nothing to do with dependencies |
| 05:44.08 | wd | hoxu: yes ur right. |
| 05:44.14 | wd | ty |
| 05:46.47 | hoxu | !ur |
| 05:46.47 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 05:47.33 | wd | hoxu: i will remember thank you. |
| 05:47.37 | wd | :) |
| 05:47.41 | hoxu | :) |
| 05:48.01 | simonrvn | is that a threat or a promise? j/k :) |
| 05:48.45 | wd | simonrvn: you guys have a great sense of humor... that is awesome. |
| 05:48.47 | wd | :) |
| 05:48.48 | NeoIce | ahaha, hilarious. |
| 05:49.12 | simonrvn | s/great/sick/ ;p |
| 05:49.27 | simonrvn | lols |
| 05:49.39 | NeoIce | is there a way to check which mirror(s) are fastest? |
| 05:49.53 | netdaemon | NeoIce, apt-spy |
| 05:49.54 | wd | NeoIce: installed etch now time to transfer files from the gentoo box... then overwrite gentoo... oh yeah. |
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| 05:50.44 | NeoIce | wd: I was wondering if you were the same as wd3 from earlier :D |
| 05:50.49 | wd | NeoIce: my transformation is taking place.. slowly but surely. :) |
| 05:50.58 | wd | :) yes |
| 05:51.07 | netdaemon | ewwww gentoo |
| 05:51.32 | NeoIce | dont worry, he's converted |
| 05:51.57 | simonrvn | wd: \o/ |
| 05:52.29 | netdaemon | NeoIce, s/converted/assimilated/ |
| 05:53.04 | NeoIce | hm, thats odd... the bottleneck IS me. wtf happened to the fat datacenter pipes?? |
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| 05:53.34 | hesco | what package would give my postgresql db's access to plpgsql? |
| 05:53.50 | jescis | NeoIce, they shrunked ;) |
| 05:57.45 | NeoIce | jescis: nah, it looks kinda like our sister-center is having troubles and routing through us. the graph should be way quieter for this time of night |
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| 05:58.35 | jescis | I was just kidding |
| 05:58.47 | jescis | sheesh |
| 05:59.01 | NeoIce | lol :) |
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| 06:04.49 | NeoIce | so earlier, somone pointed out that aptitude is better at tracking dependancies than apt-get... so what do I do if I've used apt-get traditionally and want to clean up that mess and switch to aptitude? |
| 06:06.12 | netdaemon | NeoIce, which version of debian? |
| 06:06.36 | NeoIce | lenny/sid |
| 06:06.45 | netdaemon | should be no issues whatsoever then |
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| 06:07.29 | NeoIce | do you know how the behavior is in the deriviates? probably distro dependant |
| 06:07.46 | netdaemon | depends on the version of apt |
| 06:08.00 | netdaemon | the problem was apt didn't make packages explicitly or automaticly installed |
| 06:08.19 | netdaemon | so aptitude would assume automatic and remove half the system, thats been resolved for a while now though |
| 06:08.29 | netdaemon | ubuntu should be fine |
| 06:08.39 | netdaemon | i don't know about mepis and what not, i'd assume they'd be fine |
| 06:08.53 | hoxu | NeoIce, you use aptitude interactively to go through all packages and mark libraries and other stuff you don't think you need as automatically installed with 'M', see the online help in '?' |
| 06:09.22 | hoxu | NeoIce, then you can check what will be removed with 'g' and mark some packages in that list as not automatically installed if you want to keep them |
| 06:10.41 | wd | hoxu: did aptitude search ntp... what's the "p" and "v" on the left side of screen. |
| 06:10.50 | wd | sceen? |
| 06:11.00 | wd | aawgh |
| 06:11.09 | wd | *side of screen? |
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| 06:12.56 | hoxu | wd, told you to read what's behind '?' :) |
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| 06:13.47 | adama | I have a shell script on the desktop; I have to choose "Run" run it... how do I make it alway just Run |
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| 06:14.42 | wd | hoxu: hey thank you.. i will more.. tonight has been challenging, trying to get instant gratification..i hear you. |
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| 06:16.13 | hoxu | wd, you can kick and scream, but you'll have to digest what's written in there to use aptitude, in a form or another, I suggest to accept the unavoidable and just read it... I know it's whole two pages and all, but in the end it's rewarding ;) |
| 06:18.48 | wd | hoxu: kick and scream? ok. i will digest what is written and i will accept the unavoidable.. thank you. i know it's rewarding.. so far i see the advantages of using debian over other distro's. |
| 06:19.09 | wd | hoxu: :) |
| 06:20.21 | jescis | what am I missing? I can't connect to my server. :( I just got a domain name and I set it to my IP address. jescis.net is the domain name |
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| 06:21.25 | NeoIce | I just hit it via ssh |
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| 06:22.16 | hoxu | jescis, connect using what? SSH? Did you check firewall? Traceroute? |
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| 06:23.21 | devhell | hi, after doing apt-get update i get this.. any advice please? http://paste.debian.net/16500/ |
| 06:23.29 | jescis | NeoIce, my server? |
| 06:23.36 | NeoIce | yep |
| 06:23.50 | NeoIce | ssh jescis.net popped a login prompt for me |
| 06:24.05 | jescis | so it's just apache and proftpd :/ |
| 06:24.55 | hoxu | devhell, so fix it. |
| 06:25.11 | NeoIce | jescis: no, I think its just you |
| 06:25.11 | devhell | how? |
| 06:25.14 | hoxu | devhell, read what it said, and edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:25.27 | NeoIce | w3m shows me the default apache page and ftp shows "connected" but no prompt |
| 06:25.58 | devhell | ah.. its in the sources.list.. thanks.. |
| 06:26.34 | jescis | NeoIce, so what must I do to fix it? |
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| 06:26.54 | NeoIce | whats a lightweight xfce-friendly PDF viewer? |
| 06:27.08 | hoxu | devhell, yes, interestingly, apt-get does not tend to lie about these things |
| 06:27.12 | jescis | what config file or shoot me a how-to |
| 06:27.19 | NeoIce | jescis: well, can you ping the machine? is the DNS resolving to the correct machine? |
| 06:28.26 | netdaemon | NeoIce, epdfviewer |
| 06:28.33 | Ashly | Im using lenny atm, and when I install x I get alot of weird activity, 1 with gdm or kdm I cant see any txt, and 2 when I try to drop out of X it locks up my screen.. could it be a driver error |
| 06:28.37 | Ashly | ? |
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| 06:30.06 | NeoIce | did you install one of the desktop tasks? there's lots minor things that you can overlook if you just install x-server |
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| 06:30.33 | jescis | NeoIce, I'm pinging. so should I change hosts file's IP address to thepinging address? |
| 06:30.44 | Ashly | NeoIce, I didnt install it on the installer because when I do, it doesnt show me any txt at all |
| 06:31.37 | Ashly | when I do log into the X desktop, I cant see what programs are installed |
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| 06:33.40 | NeoIce | man, I *%$!ing hate proprietary software |
| 06:34.09 | jescis | NeoIce, I hear ya ;) |
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| 06:34.34 | hero100era | why without proprietary software. how can a engineer earn a life? |
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| 06:35.09 | enouf | build failing skywalkways |
| 06:35.20 | NeoIce | how can a broke college student learn to get an engineering job when cisco wants thousands of dollars? |
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| 06:38.14 | grendal_prime | NeoIce: learn iptables and routing with linux . build you own routers, if you can learn that the cisco stuff will come to you when you need it |
| 06:38.56 | grendal_prime | basically you go to work for a company that will send you off to cisco training as part of your work. |
| 06:39.08 | NeoIce | grendal_prime: doing that doesnt really allow one to play on a larger scale and all the simulators require proprietary images or $$$ |
| 06:39.12 | adama | I have a shell script on the desktop; I have to choose "Run" run it... how do I make it alway just Run |
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| 06:39.41 | adama | I have a shell script on the desktop; I have to choose "Run" to run it... how do I make it alway just Run |
| 06:39.44 | grendal_prime | Ok dont do that then. (its just what i did) |
| 06:40.08 | grendal_prime | routing is routing. |
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| 06:40.35 | grendal_prime | as far as cisco equipment goes..after its purchased the part of it your going to see is the console, guess what it looks like. |
| 06:40.52 | jescis | is there a channel for proftp? |
| 06:41.01 | grendal_prime | probably |
| 06:41.07 | NeoIce | I'm just saying its hard to route data on 1 machine |
| 06:41.24 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 06:41.42 | adama | depends what kind of networks you're routing.. |
| 06:41.51 | grendal_prime | vmware |
| 06:42.05 | grendal_prime | i set up enviros on that all the time to see how things will work out. |
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| 06:42.40 | NeoIce | I have 1 machine capable of running vmware and no diskspace |
| 06:42.50 | grendal_prime | get your hands on some antiquated equipment...its usally cheep(hell where i work its free for emps) |
| 06:43.24 | grendal_prime | NeoIce: tried vbox yet? |
| 06:43.26 | jescis | that's how I got my server PC ;) |
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| 06:43.42 | devhell | vbox rocks |
| 06:43.52 | ericpersson | Is it not possible to take snapshots with lvm? |
| 06:44.09 | grendal_prime | devhell: ya it does, i just wish someone would write a virtual switch for it. |
| 06:44.37 | devhell | hmm.. |
| 06:45.33 | NeoIce | where would I get images and how much space would they take up? |
| 06:45.41 | NeoIce | I seriously have less than 2GB of free space to work with. |
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| 06:46.42 | grendal_prime | images? you build them |
| 06:47.08 | grendal_prime | 2 gig is enough for several linux installtions, windows...well you know the story there |
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| 06:47.58 | NeoIce | I also only have the luxury of a GUI on one machine |
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| 06:48.23 | pro-rsoft | Hi, is it possible to somehow compress .deb packages/ |
| 06:48.28 | pro-rsoft | ? |
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| 06:49.56 | Ashly | there a xconfigure or something for debian? :) |
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| 06:50.59 | rutski | I'm going to paste here an image of some very annoying xterm behiavor |
| 06:51.00 | rutski | http://rutski89.com:31597/upload/m_is_block.png |
| 06:51.08 | devhell | Ashly: what type of vga device do yo have? ati? nvidia? else? |
| 06:51.16 | rutski | note how the 'm' in the colored font is really unreadable |
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| 06:51.19 | adama | pro-rsoft: sure, tar/gzip/zip - how much will it compress? You tell me |
| 06:51.46 | rutski | I'd rather just have the colored/bolded fonts look the same as the non-bold fonts (with color, of course); is there any way to do that? |
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| 06:52.20 | pro-rsoft | adama, so I should just gzip or bz2 my .deb? ah, ok. I thought there would ahve been a way to compress it without changing the extension. |
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| 06:53.31 | simonrvn | pro-rsoft: it's already compressed |
| 06:53.59 | pro-rsoft | ah. Is there a way to change the compression mode or to compress it even more using a different compression algorithm perhaps? |
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| 06:57.01 | adama | don't know |
| 06:57.59 | Skaperen | pro-rsoft: how much more do you need it to be compressed? |
| 06:58.27 | pro-rsoft | well I have a .deb of 70 mb and I need to get it down to 60mb (launchpad's uplaod limit) |
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| 07:00.05 | Skaperen | a .deb you made? |
| 07:00.15 | pro-rsoft | yeah. |
| 07:01.03 | Skaperen | I think using another compression will break things, assuming something better than bz2 even exists |
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| 07:01.24 | Skaperen | why are you uploading it? |
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| 07:01.47 | pro-rsoft | uhm, because I want other people to be able to download it |
| 07:01.56 | pro-rsoft | thats why one uploads things right? |
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| 07:02.07 | Skaperen | let me rephrase ... why that particular place? |
| 07:02.15 | pro-rsoft | uhm, good point |
| 07:02.42 | pro-rsoft | our project uses launchpad to manage everything, so it would seem logical if the releases were hosted there too |
| 07:02.47 | Skaperen | is that your web hosting place or something? |
| 07:03.05 | pro-rsoft | launchpad? No |
| 07:03.16 | pro-rsoft | https://launchpad.net/ |
| 07:03.17 | Skaperen | sorry for being ignorant ... I don't know launchpad |
| 07:03.21 | Skaperen | looks |
| 07:05.04 | Skaperen | any chance you can get ssh/shell access such as the way they do it on sourceforge? |
| 07:05.09 | pro-rsoft | nah |
| 07:05.22 | pro-rsoft | its just http upload |
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| 07:05.29 | Skaperen | because you could upload part at a time with rsync over ssh |
| 07:05.35 | pro-rsoft | ah. |
| 07:05.48 | pro-rsoft | well, I think I'll just make it a .deb.bz2 |
| 07:05.55 | pro-rsoft | or wait, that wont compress it much will it? |
| 07:05.56 | xingu | pro-rsoft: .deb's are simply an ar wrapper around a pair of tar.gz's anyway; recent dpkg I believe also supports l7 compression internally. |
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| 07:05.59 | pro-rsoft | since its already bz2 |
| 07:06.03 | Skaperen | does it get small enough when you do that? |
| 07:06.07 | pro-rsoft | let me try |
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| 07:06.49 | Skaperen | I think most if not all of a .deb file is already compressed, though I don't know if it's gzip or bzip2 |
| 07:07.10 | Skaperen | either way, compressing it more is unlikely to help for files like a .deb |
| 07:07.13 | pro-rsoft | k, thanks for your help |
| 07:07.50 | xingu | pro-rsoft: dh_builddeb -- -Zlzma |
| 07:07.50 | Skaperen | I have double and even triple compressed files before ... that only works if the original is *SO* redundant that even the compressed file results in massively repeated patterns |
| 07:08.14 | pro-rsoft | xingu, at build time? |
| 07:08.48 | jescis | NeoIce, why do you think you got no prompt when you ftped my server? |
| 07:09.00 | pro-rsoft | hmm. making a .deb.bz2 changes really nothing. |
| 07:09.04 | Skaperen | for example, I partitioned, then formatted, my 1TB hard drive ... then I bzip2'd it, and that result got even smaller with a 2nd bzip2 step |
| 07:09.25 | xingu | pro-rsoft: precisely. |
| 07:09.36 | pro-rsoft | xingu, ok, thanks I'll try it later |
| 07:09.39 | NeoIce | jesis: impatience? |
| 07:09.49 | Skaperen | I also tried gzip+gzip, bzip2+gzip, and gzip+bzip2 ... but those didn't do as well as bzip2+bzip2 |
| 07:10.10 | pro-rsoft | see ya guys, and thanks again for your help |
| 07:10.11 | Skaperen | but on other things I've compressed, other compression sequences often work better ... just depends on the data |
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| 07:10.12 | jescis | I have some impatience |
| 07:10.17 | NeoIce | jescis: yep, I just had to wait for it :) |
| 07:10.30 | jescis | oh ok |
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| 07:11.09 | Skaperen | if <pro-rsoft> had stayed, I'd have suggest he host it at SF |
| 07:12.03 | jescis | NeoIce, So how do I configure so I can see it my self? |
| 07:12.04 | devhell | anyone know what lennys successor will be named? just curious.. |
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| 07:12.19 | Skaperen | needs something better than rsync |
| 07:12.39 | cahoot | devhell: squezzy or such? |
| 07:12.46 | devhell | Skaperen: fish? unison? |
| 07:13.00 | cahoot | s/zz/ez/ |
| 07:13.06 | Skaperen | if they can handle syncronizing 35.8 million files all at once |
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| 07:13.28 | devhell | cahoot: really? :) |
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| 07:13.50 | xingu | Skaperen: I'd be impressed if you could extract anything out of recompressing lzma |
| 07:13.53 | Skaperen | that many files was too much for rsync even on 8GB machine |
| 07:14.12 | devhell | Skaperen: not sure but why dont you give unison a try? |
| 07:14.30 | Skaperen | I'll check it out |
| 07:15.08 | jescis | NeoIce, when you went to the web site was it just my domain name or was there a subdirectory? |
| 07:15.08 | Skaperen | I might be able to use it if it has the features of rsync I need, such as maintaining the exact hard link relationships |
| 07:15.20 | Skaperen | e.g. rsync -H |
| 07:16.31 | NeoIce | jescis: it was the apache placeholder, check msgs |
| 07:16.34 | ham5 | My download speed is slow, its not dns, ipv6, or browser related, ive tried removing all iptable rules. I get around 9000 kbps when I should be at 20000. What can I try to fix it? |
| 07:16.44 | adama | Skaperen: look at rsnapshot |
| 07:16.55 | jescis | msgs?? |
| 07:16.56 | Skaperen | ham5: find out what the real cause is ? |
| 07:17.05 | Skaperen | adama: OK |
| 07:17.09 | ham5 | Skaperen, what could the real cause be? |
| 07:17.29 | Skaperen | ham5: don't know ... I'd have to be there in person to investigate |
| 07:17.49 | ham5 | Skaperen, u da man |
| 07:18.22 | Skaperen | doesn't mean I could find that cause ... but I know I most likely cannot find it from here |
| 07:18.45 | ham5 | well what would you try? |
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| 07:19.07 | Skaperen | ham5: depends on how your network is set up ... such as what is plugged into what |
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| 07:19.21 | devhell | ham5: do you have a second machine you can test the throughput with? |
| 07:19.22 | ham5 | just a simple computer connected to a cable modem |
| 07:19.23 | adama | ham5: I would guess your isp is the cause... do other hosts on the connecton d/l fast? |
| 07:19.26 | Skaperen | ham5: do you have 2 or more computers? |
| 07:19.39 | ham5 | dual boot on the same pc in widnows xp and its fine |
| 07:20.11 | Skaperen | ham5: is it PPP over ethernet? Or DHCP? |
| 07:20.19 | adama | what are you using to test your speed in linux |
| 07:20.35 | ham5 | just ethernet no ppp I belive |
| 07:20.42 | ham5 | testmy.net and speedtest.net |
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| 07:21.19 | Skaperen | ham5: do this as root "arp -n" and tell me how many lines there are with IP addresses (do not paste it) |
| 07:21.40 | ham5 | 1 |
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| 07:22.05 | Skaperen | what is that one line? this can be pasted |
| 07:23.17 | ham5 | isp gateway |
| 07:23.36 | Skaperen | what IP address? |
| 07:23.48 | ham5 | 12.219.x.x |
| 07:24.11 | Skaperen | is it the same as your own machine's IP address? |
| 07:24.16 | ham5 | no |
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| 07:24.38 | dimgr | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 07:24.46 | Skaperen | do "route -n" ... is the default route to that gateway? |
| 07:24.51 | devhell | ham5: was it always like that on linux? |
| 07:24.56 | ham5 | dimgr, I can ping it |
| 07:25.11 | dimgr | can you browse it/ |
| 07:25.12 | dimgr | ? |
| 07:25.33 | dimgr | Connection was to packages.debian.org at port 80 keep getting that |
| 07:26.09 | ham5 | devhell, yes |
| 07:26.19 | ham5 | Skaperen, there is 2 lines how do I know what one is default? |
| 07:26.25 | Skaperen | ham5: any way you can get another computer to do speed tests just from your ethernet port alone? |
| 07:26.31 | devhell | dimgr: cant browse it.. maybe its down.. |
| 07:26.57 | Skaperen | ham5: the one with a mask of 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:27.12 | ham5 | yes same ip |
| 07:27.22 | Skaperen | what is the OTHER one? |
| 07:27.44 | ham5 | 12.219.x.0 gateway is 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:28.09 | tralala | devhell, it isn't down |
| 07:28.46 | Skaperen | what is the MASK of the other one? |
| 07:28.56 | devhell | tralala: yes.. just saw it.. took more time to load than normally.. |
| 07:29.02 | jescis | NeoIce, what was the text? "It Works!" or "Test Page for Apache Installation"? |
| 07:29.05 | ham5 | 255.255.254.0 |
| 07:29.13 | tralala | devhell, it's been having trouble lately |
| 07:29.17 | devhell | ah.. |
| 07:29.34 | devhell | tralala: thanks for the info.. |
| 07:29.42 | tralala | sure |
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| 07:30.08 | Skaperen | ham5: if you boot to XP, then boot to Linux, and repeat this a few times, do you always get the same IP? |
| 07:30.22 | devhell | ham5: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:30.25 | Skaperen | e.g. does XP get the same IP as Linux? |
| 07:30.33 | ham5 | no Skaperen |
| 07:30.33 | NeoIce | jescis: test page and I'm trying to talk in private message o its easier to manager for me |
| 07:30.47 | ham5 | I usually get a diff ip |
| 07:30.58 | jescis | NeoIce, ok thanks |
| 07:31.09 | ham5 | devhell, its mint 5 |
| 07:31.16 | devhell | argh |
| 07:31.23 | ham5 | :) |
| 07:31.30 | Skaperen | ham5: does XP get the same IP as a previous boot of XP? |
| 07:31.33 | jescis | NeoIce, sorry for the inconvenience >_> |
| 07:31.36 | Skaperen | ham5: does Linux get the same IP as a previous boot of Linux? |
| 07:31.44 | ham5 | yes Skaperen |
| 07:31.46 | ham5 | usually |
| 07:31.59 | Skaperen | but between XP and Linux they get different IPs? |
| 07:32.05 | ham5 | yes |
| 07:32.10 | tralala | ham5, in different subnets? |
| 07:32.18 | Skaperen | and it's a public IP (12.x.x.x) ? |
| 07:32.28 | ham5 | not sure about that tralala |
| 07:32.30 | NeoIce | jescis: no inconvience, I'd just prefer to pm since I have a lot of questions and dont want to clutter the channel or keep track of everything in traffic |
| 07:32.33 | ham5 | yes public ip |
| 07:32.59 | Skaperen | ham5: make a log of the IPs you get and date/time you booted, and which OS |
| 07:33.15 | tralala | ham5, if your isp assigns you to a different subnet based on the os, then this could very well be the reason for the different speeds |
| 07:33.39 | adama | ham5: have you tried using a router? |
| 07:33.42 | jescis | NeoIce, heh, ok. irc is the only for me since I like cli over gui ;) |
| 07:33.42 | ham5 | subnet is genmask? |
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| 07:33.56 | ham5 | adama, no I dont have a router |
| 07:34.11 | Skaperen | ham5: can you boot a live CD (debian or ubuntu or knoppix or any other) to see what IP that gets? |
| 07:34.15 | adama | I'll lend you one if you want :P |
| 07:34.15 | NeoIce | every cli IRC I've seen supports windows |
| 07:34.23 | NeoIce | usually using metakey+number |
| 07:34.33 | tralala | ham5, subnet is for example 12.219.1.x and 12.219.2.x, or 12.218.x.x |
| 07:34.41 | ham5 | Skaperen, I can |
| 07:34.50 | Skaperen | ham5: do you have an ethernet SWITCH you could put between computer and modem? if not a switch, how about a hub? |
| 07:35.03 | ham5 | no I dont |
| 07:35.16 | jescis | NeoIce, true but a full screen tty looks way better imo |
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| 07:35.28 | adama | debian CD? |
| 07:35.35 | ham5 | tralala the gateway usually changes with my ip if the 2nd or 3rd set of numbers changes |
| 07:35.57 | Skaperen | ham5: I'd suggest trying the live CD and see what it gets ... and check its speed, too |
| 07:36.15 | NeoIce | jescis: agreed, but you can still have 'windows' through things like screen or the irssi client |
| 07:36.21 | ham5 | Skaperen, usually low, ive tryed testing speed on 2 other live cds |
| 07:36.23 | Skaperen | ham5: if the live CD is faster, then record what it outputs from "dmesg" and "ifconfig" |
| 07:36.42 | tralala | ham5, it surely does. The question is if there's a relation between the OS used and the subnet assigned. |
| 07:36.54 | Skaperen | ham5: what is brand and model of ethernet card? |
| 07:36.58 | ham5 | tralala, no not usually |
| 07:37.04 | devhell | ham5: you could ask your ISP if they make differences between connocting OSs.. i would find that rather strange though.. |
| 07:37.11 | Skaperen | ham5: if it's integrated in motherboard, what motherboard and chipset |
| 07:37.16 | ham5 | its nvidia I belive ... its on my motherboard |
| 07:37.17 | jescis | NeoIce, if only gaim or pidgion were cli >_> |
| 07:37.29 | tralala | ham5, paste the output of "lspci -v" to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 07:37.45 | ham5 | devhell, I cant ask my isp anything ;) |
| 07:38.11 | ham5 | tralala, all of it or just the ethernet? |
| 07:38.18 | jescis | ham5, you could ask it to say goodbye ;) |
| 07:38.19 | tralala | just the ethernet |
| 07:38.48 | NeoIce | jescis: check out naim or pork :) |
| 07:38.53 | tralala | jescis, that's usually the best way to get better service :) |
| 07:39.01 | ham5 | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/l06g9498.html |
| 07:39.23 | devhell | jescis: finch? |
| 07:40.18 | Skaperen | you have 2 ports? |
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| 07:40.25 | Skaperen | ham5: you have 2 ports? |
| 07:40.43 | ham5 | yes |
| 07:40.52 | Skaperen | have you tried the other one? |
| 07:41.13 | ham5 | no I dont think there is anything wrong with the one |
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| 07:41.49 | Skaperen | it is possible for one of them to be configured AND the other to act in its behalf in strange ways |
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| 07:42.04 | Skaperen | linux may be configuring the ports in a different order than XP |
| 07:42.14 | tralala | ham5, do you have iproute installed? |
| 07:42.21 | jescis | devhell, I don't see finch in aptitude :/ |
| 07:42.31 | ham5 | tralala, no |
| 07:42.41 | ham5 | iproute |
| 07:42.51 | ham5 | ops |
| 07:42.56 | Skaperen | ham5: since you do get _different_ IPs between Linux and XP, it sure sounds like Linux and XP are going through different ports |
| 07:43.06 | tralala | ham5, iproute gives you the "ip" command |
| 07:43.22 | ham5 | I have the ip command |
| 07:43.23 | devhell | jescis: i do.. |
| 07:43.26 | Skaperen | ham5: they could be mixed PHY and separate MII in hardware ... and that can happen on the same port |
| 07:43.37 | tralala | ham5, what's the output of "ip l"? |
| 07:44.09 | ham5 | pm? |
| 07:44.17 | jescis | devhell, where is it? what's the line to put into my sources.list file? |
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| 07:44.28 | Skaperen | would really like to take another computer to <ham5>'s place to diagnose this |
| 07:44.53 | ham5 | Skaperen, I wish you would :) |
| 07:44.55 | devhell | jescis: wait |
| 07:45.04 | Skaperen | does not appear to be near <ham5> |
| 07:45.35 | ham5 | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/wKk65u31.html |
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| 07:46.46 | Skaperen | strange ... radically different MACs for 2 ethers on the same mobo |
| 07:46.48 | devhell | jescis: do you have the normal debian repositories? |
| 07:47.00 | jescis | yea |
| 07:47.16 | ham5 | o I changed eth0's it should be 00:04:4b also |
| 07:47.21 | ham5 | no difference tho |
| 07:47.22 | devhell | jescis: what oes apt-cache search finch say? |
| 07:47.44 | Skaperen | ham5: what do you mean? |
| 07:47.55 | ham5 | no difference in speed I mean |
| 07:48.04 | ham5 | I just did it to get a new ip |
| 07:48.10 | jescis | devhell, nothing |
| 07:48.15 | Skaperen | ok |
| 07:48.34 | devhell | jescis: are you using stable? or testing? |
| 07:48.43 | jescis | stable |
| 07:48.54 | jescis | etchnhalf |
| 07:49.05 | devhell | jescis: fnch is in testing.. |
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| 07:49.27 | devhell | but there is a backport for etch.. |
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| 07:49.46 | Skaperen | ham5: do "ifconfig" and put that output in whole on paste page |
| 07:49.55 | jescis | I'll wait till lenny's out :) |
| 07:50.19 | tralala | ham5, is there a way for you to test the lan throuput of the nic? |
| 07:50.45 | Skaperen | tralala: he seems to be a 1 computer household :-( |
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| 07:51.01 | ham5 | Skaperen, http://rafb.net/p/F6sbl678.html |
| 07:51.07 | jescis | keeps watch for lenny |
| 07:51.13 | ham5 | tralala, Im wouldent know, is there? |
| 07:51.25 | devhell | jescis: i386 or amd64 in use? |
| 07:51.42 | jescis | i386 |
| 07:52.05 | jescis | k7 to be exact though |
| 07:52.25 | Skaperen | wonders why he's getting all 404's from rafb.net now |
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| 07:52.51 | ham5 | Skaperen, need help with your connection? ;) |
| 07:53.11 | massmc | how do i see how much diskspace is left .. from a terminal |
| 07:53.21 | tralala | massmc, df |
| 07:53.23 | ham5 | I took it down pretty fast I figured you had it loaded |
| 07:53.29 | jescis | changes Skaperen settings |
| 07:53.42 | massmc | exelent.. thank you tralala |
| 07:53.43 | Skaperen | ham5: mine's fine ... rafb.net might need some help with their web server ... or else they banned me for reading pastes intended for others |
| 07:54.12 | ham5 | Skaperen, http://rafb.net/p/t3xW9M47.html |
| 07:54.30 | Skaperen | I had http://rafb.net/p/F6sbl678.html |
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| 07:55.13 | devhell | jescis: you could install it through backports.. should work just fine.. |
| 07:55.23 | tralala | massmc, you're welcome |
| 07:55.58 | jescis | devhell, I don't mind waiting |
| 07:56.14 | devhell | jescis: ok.. your choice.. |
| 07:56.19 | jescis | for a stable release |
| 07:56.34 | devhell | massmc: for better reading try df -h |
| 07:57.20 | [gnubie] | waves to all.. i have to go now.. |
| 07:57.21 | massmc | devhell, thats even better cheers |
| 07:57.30 | tralala | ham5, run update-pciids and then lspci -v again |
| 07:57.30 | devhell | no prob |
| 07:58.34 | Skaperen | hmmm ... rafb is just timing out too fast I think ... I can't switch around between pastes |
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| 08:00.04 | ham5 | tralala, http://rafb.net/p/5yetgG76.html |
| 08:00.04 | Skaperen | ham5: you have a web server running on your IP? |
| 08:00.13 | ham5 | mabey |
| 08:00.23 | Skaperen | gets a connection to port 80 |
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| 08:00.37 | tralala | ham5, that's after the update? |
| 08:00.45 | ham5 | tralala, yes |
| 08:01.56 | ham5 | /usr/share/misc/pci.ids.gz.new' saved |
| 08:01.57 | TheViral | Hi, I am having some partitioning problems |
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| 08:02.06 | TheViral | If you look at my screenshot... |
| 08:02.08 | TheViral | http://i37.tinypic.com/xofxj5.png |
| 08:02.21 | TheViral | I somehow have unallocated space twice |
| 08:02.26 | devhell | jescis: FYI http://wiki.debian.org/Backports ... just in case.. ;) |
| 08:02.28 | Skaperen | ham5: what network protocols were you trying the speed tests with? |
| 08:02.33 | TheViral | I want to join them together outside of other partitions |
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| 08:03.18 | jescis | devhell, I just need to worry about my server for right now. |
| 08:03.31 | ham5 | Skaperen, http I guess? testmy.net and speedtest.net... I cant download torrents as fast either |
| 08:04.23 | Skaperen | ham5: maybe they capped the MAC address you're getting when you use Linux but not the one when you use XP |
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| 08:04.55 | Skaperen | ham5: but check to see if you are using an http proxy: env | grep -i proxy |
| 08:05.03 | ham5 | Skaperen, how and why would they do that? |
| 08:05.22 | ham5 | null |
| 08:05.28 | Skaperen | if you torrent a lot from Linux but not XP, they might be associating it with just the MAC |
| 08:05.33 | devhell | TheViral: why is your swap so big? and in an extended partition?? |
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| 08:06.15 | TheViral | hey, I managed to get the unallocated space out |
| 08:06.27 | ham5 | I actually downloaded more in xp because of the speed I doubt that, plus I change my hardware mac to get new ip offten |
| 08:06.27 | xingu | ham5: can you pastebin the output from: ethtool -k eth0? (assuming eth0 is your active interface) |
| 08:06.29 | TheViral | well, I have 8gb of ram, and apparently it's rule of thumb to put the same amount in swap |
| 08:06.41 | TheViral | dehell: should I use less? |
| 08:06.50 | TheViral | sorry, devhell/ |
| 08:07.23 | ham5 | xingu, http://rafb.net/p/QrRaF615.html |
| 08:07.48 | tralala | TheViral, this rule is outdated. You shouldn't need more than 1Gig of swap |
| 08:08.15 | devhell | TheViral: well normally youd be correct.. but running out of 8g mem is not to probable.. i suggest you keep it down to max 2gb.. |
| 08:08.35 | TheViral | tralala: oh ok, 1.5gig just to balance inbetween you two haha |
| 08:08.46 | TheViral | er, to devhell too |
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| 08:08.52 | xingu | ham5: can you start vmstat 1 in a terminal window and repeat your bw test then pastebin the numbers collected during the test? |
| 08:09.27 | ham5 | 1sec |
| 08:09.30 | tralala | let the kernel magic begin :) |
| 08:10.01 | xingu | nb, the mcp55 is a piece of crap from what I can tell ;) |
| 08:10.17 | TheViral | so my swap should not be in an extended partition? |
| 08:10.28 | TheViral | what is the difference in the end |
| 08:10.33 | Skaperen | ham5: wanna try a speed test on a different port number other than 80 so that we can rule out any HTTP interceptions? |
| 08:10.36 | xingu | tralala: can I safely assume there's no interface errors? I missed his ifconfig pastebins |
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| 08:11.16 | ham5 | xingu, http://rafb.net/p/o7FgNd89.html |
| 08:11.23 | tralala | xingu, I'm not sure what you mean by interface errors but to my eye nothing was wrong with the interfaces |
| 08:11.46 | xingu | tralala: collisions/ dropped packets etc. |
| 08:12.17 | tralala | nope, none |
| 08:12.22 | xingu | ham5: was that vmstat running _while_ the bw test was in progress? (hint, the answer I need is "yes") |
| 08:12.34 | ham5 | of course |
| 08:12.39 | ham5 | I started it right before |
| 08:12.39 | xingu | cheers |
| 08:12.40 | TheViral | it appears I can only make a swap in an extended one |
| 08:12.55 | tralala | TheViral, erm, no |
| 08:13.09 | devhell | TheViral: since sda2 is empty otherwise.. id suggest you remove the extended partition and make a new swap space as primary partition.. extended would be only good for having more than the allowed 4(?) primary partitions.. corrct me if im mistaken.. |
| 08:13.09 | TheViral | tralala: it gives me an error if I don't |
| 08:13.44 | tralala | TheViral, just remove the extended partition as devhell says |
| 08:14.13 | TheViral | tralala: I remove the partition so only my / one is there |
| 08:14.23 | TheViral | tralala: but when I go to make a primary as a swap |
| 08:14.25 | ham5 | xingu, can I ask what your looking for in the vmstat output? |
| 08:14.28 | xingu | ham5: so here's the thing; your context switch rate (cs column) is going from zero to hero and the user time (us column) likewise |
| 08:14.35 | xingu | ham5: signs of stress |
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| 08:14.46 | TheViral | tralala: it gives me an error when it runs mkswap -L "" /dev/sda2 |
| 08:15.12 | TheViral | tralala: and it says: /dev/sda2: No such file or directory |
| 08:15.23 | Skaperen | ham5: wanna try a speed test on a different port number other than 80 so that we can rule out any HTTP interceptions? |
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| 08:15.46 | tralala | TheViral, you need to reboot for the new partition table to be noticed by the kernel. |
| 08:15.49 | xingu | ham5: my guess is that you're effectively benchmarking a fairly chuggy web browser; you could reinforce this by using ftp as your benchmark to something like a local debian mirror and hauling back something statistically big enough to matter (like say kernel source) |
| 08:15.52 | tmroly | VMWare ESX Server is a installabe and bootable OS by itself? |
| 08:16.20 | xingu | ham5: if you collect the vmstat profile while you do this it'd be useful |
| 08:16.43 | ham5 | as long as its not thro my browser tho |
| 08:16.51 | TheViral | tralala: oh ok, do I remove all swaps and restart or do I leave this swap that seems to be marked as unknown |
| 08:17.01 | Skaperen | ham5: what would you use to do a test? |
| 08:17.07 | devhell | or opn a terminal and do: sudo blockdev --rereadpt |
| 08:17.32 | ham5 | synaptic? |
| 08:17.34 | tralala | TheViral, what do you mean "marked as unknown"? The partition type has to be "swap", if it isn't tell parted to make it. |
| 08:17.57 | Skaperen | ham5: can it talk HTTP to a URL with a port number in it, download the file, and measure? |
| 08:18.07 | TheViral | tralala: it won't let me |
| 08:18.09 | tralala | ham5, try dvd .iso image using a local mirror and wget |
| 08:18.09 | devhell | TheViral: or open a terminal and do: sudo blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sda2 |
| 08:18.20 | TheViral | devhell: ok one second |
| 08:18.26 | xingu | ham5: ftp's data channel is a good way to test tcp performance; "bing" is another (for icmp); or wget for http (_implementation quality_ of http client-side vary so wildly I tend to steer people toward ftp - it's hard to get ftp wrong, most clients are not themselves the bottleneck) |
| 08:19.30 | TheViral | devhell: it says no such file or directory |
| 08:19.34 | xingu | ham5: the only other thing you might want to look at is to see whether or not your HDD's are using udma or pio mode |
| 08:19.35 | ham5 | so dont use synaptic? find ftp and use wget? |
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| 08:20.15 | xingu | ham5: test with a wget fetch to isolate the fault back to slow desktop or slow transport |
| 08:20.39 | devhell | TheViral: close and start gparted again.. and see if sda2 is still there.. |
| 08:21.12 | extor | when I do a top it gives me a CPU% reading. But when I do a ps aux I don't see that CPU % reading, how can I get it for each PID? |
| 08:22.07 | tralala | extor, use top and sort by cpu usage |
| 08:22.20 | devhell | extor: or use htop |
| 08:22.34 | TheViral | devhell: ok, right now in gparted there is only /dev/sda1 ext3 / |
| 08:22.41 | devhell | might be easier to use.. |
| 08:22.50 | ham5 | barly gettin 480K/s |
| 08:22.51 | TheViral | devhell: step by step, what should I do next...I must be doing something wrong |
| 08:23.06 | Skaperen | extor: ps gives a "one shot" view of processes ... to get CPU % you need an interval view such as top gives you |
| 08:23.16 | xingu | ham5: http://rafb.net/p/NvvHtV14.html <-- wget --no-proxy http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22_i386.deb |
| 08:23.21 | extor | tralala, devhell the idea is to somehow grep the cpu% value and if it is over 10% to kill the PID |
| 08:23.29 | devhell | TheViral: there is no /dev/sda2 in the dropdownbox upper right corner? |
| 08:23.47 | TheViral | devhell: nope, just /dev/sda |
| 08:23.50 | Skaperen | extor: otherwise you have to do "ps" twice, take difference of CPU readings, and divide by the time |
| 08:24.01 | TheViral | devhell: I only have one harddrive |
| 08:24.05 | Guerin | that sounds like an incredibly stupid idea |
| 08:24.25 | Skaperen | ham5: is that on my URL? |
| 08:24.34 | ham5 | xingu, http://rafb.net/p/nPzadJ14.html |
| 08:24.35 | devhell | TheViral: ah.. sorry.. missed that.. |
| 08:24.35 | ham5 | no |
| 08:24.40 | tralala | extor, erm... there should be a better way to deal with resource limits |
| 08:24.47 | Guerin | well |
| 08:24.49 | Skaperen | ham5: is that 480 Kb or KB (bits or bytes) ? |
| 08:25.04 | Guerin | for a start, killing anything which wants more than 10% cpu IS NOT a way of dealing with resource limits |
| 08:25.12 | Guerin | so by definition, any way would be better |
| 08:25.17 | devhell | devhell: ok then.. klick on the unallocated space and tell it to create swap.. |
| 08:25.21 | xingu | ham5: you'll see in those numbers that there's essentially no user time being booked (us column at 1-2%), that the _interrupt rate_ (in column) is sane-ish (about 1.5-2k/s) and that the _writeout_ of the fetched file (bo column) only occurs at the end (this is a 2GB notebook) |
| 08:25.24 | TheViral | devhell: does this mean I should stop trying to make it a primary partition? :p |
| 08:25.28 | devhell | Th: ok then.. klick on the unallocated space and tell it to create swap.. |
| 08:25.37 | tralala | Guerin, now I realize what I've been missing here lately :))) |
| 08:25.40 | devhell | TheViral: ok then.. klick on the unallocated space and tell it to create swap.. |
| 08:25.55 | devhell | man i should go to bed.. :) |
| 08:26.02 | Posterdati | hi |
| 08:26.06 | TheViral | devhell: ok, then what |
| 08:26.12 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 08:26.14 | devhell | thats it.. |
| 08:26.24 | TheViral | devhell: it's 4:26 here |
| 08:26.25 | Skaperen | devhell: no one there already to get you to not have to ponder going to bed? |
| 08:26.29 | Guerin | dpkg: hello? |
| 08:26.29 | dpkg | Hi, guerin! |
| 08:26.31 | Posterdati | please help: I get depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.26-ts11-rt/kernel/... errors |
| 08:26.55 | Guerin | Posterdati: build the module against the headers of the kernel you'll be running it with |
| 08:26.57 | Posterdati | I got 2.4.26-ts11-rt kernel and 2.4.26-ts11-rt modules |
| 08:27.02 | Guerin | that's the only solution |
| 08:27.03 | devhell | Skaperen: nope.. sadly.. :) |
| 08:27.07 | TheViral | devhell: it still gives me the same error |
| 08:27.07 | ham5 | xingu, why is my bo column poping up ever 5th? |
| 08:27.10 | Posterdati | Guerin: I downloaded them already compiled |
| 08:27.25 | Guerin | Posterdati: then they've been compiled by an incompetent fool. Do it yourself. |
| 08:27.39 | Guerin | (or have someone competent do it for you) |
| 08:27.43 | xingu | ham5: ok that's looking a bit saner and pointing back toward tcp issues; the next part of this is probably to micro-analyse the flow - "tcpdump -i eth0 -w /var/tmp/tcpdump.cap host ftp.utexas.edu" in one window then repeat your test case in another |
| 08:28.02 | Posterdati | Guerin: debian sarge + ts7200 :( no way to compile a working 2.4 kernel |
| 08:28.02 | xingu | ham5: because your ext3 probably has the default writeout/flush time (of 5 seconds) |
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| 08:28.27 | Guerin | Posterdati: complain to TS that their program is stuck in the last century |
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| 08:28.41 | Guerin | anyway |
| 08:28.42 | Posterdati | Guerin: I did: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 08:28.44 | devhell | TheViral: close gparted.. open terminal.. sudo blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sda.. start gparted and see what happens if you try to create it.. |
| 08:28.48 | xingu | ham5: there's nothing to panic about in that regard, if your "b" (blocked task) column count was spiralling there would be |
| 08:28.53 | Guerin | sarge works fine with 2.4 - as does etch. I know, because I run it. |
| 08:28.56 | Posterdati | Guerin: then untarred stuffs in /usr/src |
| 08:29.34 | Skaperen | ham5: did you want to do that alternate port speed test? I'm going to shut it off if not |
| 08:29.36 | xingu | ham5: tcpdump per above will write out /var/tmp/tcpdump.cap - someone (say me) could then download that and fire up wireshark and look to see why tcp was delivering 400k/s |
| 08:29.51 | TheViral | devhell: it says the device is busy when I try to blockdev it |
| 08:30.15 | ham5 | Skaperen, naa I know its not port |
| 08:30.23 | Skaperen | ham5: OK |
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| 08:31.13 | ham5 | xingu, how long of a capture u want? |
| 08:31.31 | xingu | ham5: five secs before capture and a minute after is plenty |
| 08:31.42 | xingu | s/capture/download start/ |
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| 08:32.07 | devhell | TheViral: the extended and swap is deleted? |
| 08:32.15 | TheViral | yes |
| 08:32.20 | xingu | (the correct answer is "roughly eight round trip delays" if it ever pops up in an exam) |
| 08:32.20 | TheViral | devhell: yes |
| 08:32.52 | tralala | heh |
| 08:32.53 | Skaperen | ham5: well, you just missed your chance to download Schubert's 9th Symphony :-) |
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| 08:33.46 | ham5 | Skaperen, aww man a classic too |
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| 08:33.53 | lvh | hello |
| 08:33.58 | TheViral | goodday |
| 08:34.07 | Posterdati | Guerin: how could reinstall libc? |
| 08:34.25 | lvh | I'm running amd64 and trying to preload an i386 so (for an i386 binary) |
| 08:34.34 | Guerin | Posterdati: if you ever have to ask that question, it's already too late. |
| 08:34.48 | TheViral | devhell: there is only my ext3 primary now |
| 08:34.50 | Posterdati | Guerin: glibc for sarge |
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| 08:35.06 | TheViral | devhell: and I am running debian from that |
| 08:35.10 | lvh | The error I get is very nondescriptive: ERROR: ld.so: object 'test.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 08:35.18 | Guerin | !libc6 |
| 08:35.18 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 08:35.39 | devhell | TheViral: can you create another ext3 from that unallocated space? |
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| 08:35.53 | lvh | How can I figure out why exactly it won't work? |
| 08:36.02 | Posterdati | Guerin: make menuconfig complains about ncurses (that is installed) |
| 08:36.03 | TheViral | devhell: nope |
| 08:36.11 | devhell | TheViral: same error? |
| 08:36.18 | TheViral | devhell: yes |
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| 08:36.34 | Guerin | Posterdati: install libc6-dev |
| 08:36.40 | Guerin | !b-e Posterdati |
| 08:36.40 | dpkg | Posterdati: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 08:36.43 | Skaperen | lvh: you have a 64-bit-only system? |
| 08:36.52 | lvh | I've ran ldd on the so and I think I know why. |
| 08:37.00 | Guerin | !tell Posterdati about kp |
| 08:37.03 | lvh | Skaperen: with some 32 bit libs. |
| 08:37.06 | devhell | TheViral: wait a minute.. |
| 08:37.13 | ham5 | xingu, how do you want the file? |
| 08:37.21 | TheViral | devhell: a;right...I hope it's not something stupid haha |
| 08:37.24 | Posterdati | Guerin: ok, tx |
| 08:37.25 | lvh | http://pastebin.com/m555fa524 |
| 08:37.30 | Guerin | Posterdati: building a kernel isn't for the faint of brain. THink carefully about whether you want to learn a huge amount today. If you don't, it ain't for you. |
| 08:37.44 | xingu | ham5: compressed and put somewhere I can download; dcc is a bust here |
| 08:37.56 | Skaperen | lvh: any way to test if it works w/o using preload? |
| 08:37.57 | lvh | linux-gate.so.1 doesn't point anywhere. Perhaps I need a 32 bit version of that library? |
| 08:37.57 | Posterdati | Guerin: buahahah I'm building kernel from redhat 4.0 |
| 08:38.03 | xingu | ham5: /msg the details if you don't want this on channel |
| 08:38.13 | lvh | Skaperen: the binary works fine without my code (the so). |
| 08:38.19 | enouf | Guerin: did you say above you run etch on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:38.21 | lvh | Skaperen: and yes, it's i386 :) |
| 08:38.28 | Posterdati | Guerin: I've got a lot of problems on arm that I haven't got on x86 or sparc |
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| 08:38.44 | Skaperen | lvh: any chance it's an suid executable you're doing this on? |
| 08:39.04 | lvh | Skaperen: well, I'll check, but I'm almost 100% sure thats not the case :) |
| 08:39.21 | tralala | xingu, ham5, I'd like to have a look too |
| 08:39.23 | lvh | thats the first thing I checked too ;-) |
| 08:39.27 | Guerin | enouf: yep. My mum has one of them eejit modems which need a 3rd party driver which only builds for 2.4. |
| 08:39.39 | xingu | ham5: gottit |
| 08:40.00 | Skaperen | lvh: is this preload intended to wedge some libc calls? |
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| 08:40.24 | jescis | is it my apache settings why I can't go to my server with my domain name on a computer on my local network? |
| 08:40.32 | devhell | TheViral: holy !@#$%.. I am truly an idiot.. sorry but I guess you wont get around the extended partition for swap.. im sorry.. i mixed things up.. :( better go to bed.. |
| 08:40.44 | enouf | Guerin: ahhh .. i only asked b/c i thought etch was basically incompatible with 2.4 .. but ok |
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| 08:40.49 | lvh | Skaperen: Err, no. |
| 08:40.59 | lvh | Skaperen: http://pastebin.com/m555fa524 |
| 08:41.06 | TheViral | devhell: hehe ok, is there any reason why it won't work? |
| 08:41.09 | lvh | Skaperen: I'm a bit worried of the line: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 08:41.10 | itz | is there an IRC BSP this weekend? |
| 08:41.17 | lvh | Skaperen: Isn't that supposed to point somewhere? |
| 08:41.33 | ham5 | xingu, I'm curious to know what you see in there. |
| 08:41.41 | Skaperen | lvh: what is the ldd of the executable? |
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| 08:42.08 | devhell | TheViral: i was still thinking that you had a physical 2nd drive.. |
| 08:42.21 | lvh | Skaperen: http://pastebin.com/m41501a4a |
| 08:42.22 | devhell | bangs head on table.. |
| 08:42.23 | TheViral | devhell: ohok, so with only one drive it is not possible? |
| 08:42.35 | Posterdati | Guerin: toolchains screw me totally |
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| 08:43.05 | tralala | ham5, could I get the cap too? |
| 08:43.20 | TheViral | dehell, ok, I am gone, thanks for your help! |
| 08:43.39 | lvh | Skaperen: not sure if this matters, but I just ran ld on the binary and I get this: ld: i386 architecture of input file `ioUrbanTerror.i386' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output |
| 08:44.00 | lvh | Skaperen: I guess that's okay, because the game itself works fine. |
| 08:44.21 | lvh | Skaperen: (that binary) |
| 08:44.23 | Skaperen | lvh: you mean when you run it w/o the preload? |
| 08:44.27 | lvh | Skaperen: yes. |
| 08:44.29 | xingu | ham5: well the thing that's sticking out like the proverbial duck's nuts is that the flow has become _symmetric_ ie it's operating a segment at a time rather than windowing as it should. |
| 08:44.58 | enouf | cooked goosie? |
| 08:44.59 | Guerin | enouf: nope, it works. Without udev and a bunch of what makes it shiny, but it does function. |
| 08:45.26 | ham5 | xingu, sooo... ? |
| 08:45.28 | enouf | Guerin: aye .. was thinking about some ABI mismatch along the way .. |
| 08:45.32 | Skaperen | xingu: ouch ... that would kill performance easily |
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| 08:46.24 | Skaperen | lvh: maybe that one library is creating the conflict with the preload |
| 08:46.58 | deus__ | apparently I'm having broken packages when installing libgstreamer0.10-dev, anyone knows about this? |
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| 08:47.00 | ham5 | xingu, where do you see symmetric? |
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| 08:47.15 | ham5 | Win= is windowing? |
| 08:47.28 | deus__ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgstreamer0.10-dev: Depends: libgstreamer0.10-0 (= 0.10.19-3) but 0.10.20-1 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 08:47.28 | xingu | ham5: the other thing that's sticking out is that every so often - frame 98/99, frame 82/83 you have these relatively mammoth (40ms+) dead-air gaps in the to-you direction |
| 08:47.53 | Skaperen | ham5: "windowing" is a feature of TCP to allow multiple packets to overlap their acknowledgements |
| 08:47.55 | lvh | Skaperen: which one library? linux-gate.so.1? |
| 08:48.05 | deus__ | (I'm running Lenny) |
| 08:48.11 | ham5 | Skaperen, what mozilla would call pipelining? |
| 08:48.26 | Skaperen | lvh: the one you got that error message for |
| 08:48.43 | Skaperen | ham5: no, that's different |
| 08:48.54 | xingu | ham5: tcp in normal operation should adapt to round trip delay by working out how many consecutive segments it can push into the pipe (it does this by measuring elapsed time) |
| 08:48.55 | lvh | Skaperen: probably. The strange thing is that so works fine on my (i386) laptop |
| 08:49.11 | Skaperen | lvh: and the preload works OK there, too? |
| 08:49.14 | apprentice | I'm trying to install Virtualbox from the repos for Etch 4.01 and it mentions a bunch of dependecies before I can install. The thing is I already re-installed "libc6" a minute ago and rebooted the PC but still it wants libc6 what should I do? |
| 08:49.15 | apprentice | kbuild: Depends: libc6 (>=2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 is to be installed |
| 08:49.16 | lvh | Skaperen: yes |
| 08:49.17 | xingu | ham5: in your case the flow is segment/ack/segment/ack/segment - the behaviour needed is segment/segment/segment/segment/ack/ |
| 08:49.41 | ham5 | xingu, ok I follow |
| 08:49.52 | lvh | Skaperen: not only does LD_PRELOAD not refuse to load it (double negative, sorry), the code also *works* |
| 08:50.13 | Skaperen | lvh: well either ld.so thinks the status of that one file (`ioUrbanTerror.i386' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output) means it can't use the preload, or else the preload is getting some other 64-bit lib it shouldn't |
| 08:50.22 | lvh | Skaperen: I run a public server and I'm trying to get rid of some nuisances using this stuff. |
| 08:50.35 | lvh | Skaperen: That's what I thought, but ldd of both files shows it linking to /lib32/foo.so |
| 08:51.09 | ham5 | so how do I change my tcp flow? |
| 08:51.11 | xingu | ham5: at frame 76 the behaviour tries to get a bit more aggressive; here we are segment/segment/ack but this breaks down again at 165 |
| 08:51.16 | lvh | Skaperen: wait a minute |
| 08:51.25 | lvh | Skaperen: linux-gate.so.1 is a virtual DSO provided by the kernel |
| 08:51.28 | lvh | Skaperen: right? |
| 08:51.33 | deus__ | apparently I'm having broken packages when installing libgstreamer0.10-dev, anyone knows about this? The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgstreamer0.10-dev: Depends: libgstreamer0.10-0 (= 0.10.19-3) but 0.10.20-1 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 08:51.47 | ham5 | xingu, yes I see that throu out, but not more then 2 at a time |
| 08:51.50 | Guerin | deus__: what branch? |
| 08:51.54 | deus__ | lenny |
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| 08:51.58 | Guerin | deus__: deal. |
| 08:52.22 | Skaperen | lvh: yeah |
| 08:52.37 | deus__ | got any idea Guerin? I'm a bit clueless |
| 08:52.49 | lvh | Skaperen: and how does the kernel figure out wether it should hand the binary a 32 bit or a 64 bit so? |
| 08:53.00 | lvh | Skaperen: maybe that's what's going wrong. |
| 08:53.05 | Guerin | deus__: try to find the version Lenny wants, perhaps in snapshot.debian.net archive |
| 08:53.06 | tralala | deus__, testing is not for clueless. Install stable. |
| 08:53.19 | Skaperen | lvh: that issue would be faced even w/o a preload |
| 08:53.32 | lvh | Skaperen: for the original binary, yes |
| 08:53.38 | lvh | Skaperen: but how about the so? |
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| 08:53.40 | deus__ | thx Guerin |
| 08:53.51 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 08:53.52 | HSorgYves | phpBB does test for imagemagick but does not find it although it is installed... what might be wrong? |
| 08:54.00 | Skaperen | you built that test.so yourself? |
| 08:54.05 | lvh | Skaperen: yep |
| 08:54.10 | lvh | Skaperen: (on the i386 box) |
| 08:54.31 | lvh | Skaperen: I could try crosscompiling on the AMD64 box |
| 08:54.40 | Skaperen | add a main() function to it (output "hello world") and build it as a concurrent executable/lib |
| 08:54.54 | lvh | Skaperen: okay |
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| 08:56.01 | Skaperen | lvh: then run it _as_ an executable to see if it runs at all |
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| 08:56.24 | et | deus__: testing has .19 for both, not .20 |
| 08:56.36 | deus__ | yes, i've seen that |
| 08:56.38 | werwolf | hi, I have a stupid question: what is debian lenny? |
| 08:56.43 | deus__ | thx |
| 08:56.47 | Guerin | so if it's trying to suck in .20, you're not on testing |
| 08:56.52 | tralala | werwolf, check it out on debian.org |
| 08:57.09 | Guerin | which means one of two things: a, either you don't know whiat the fuck you're doing or b, that you're full of shit |
| 08:57.30 | ham5 | werwolf; |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | either way, I endorse tralala's advice above |
| 08:57.32 | ham5 | Debian âlennyâ Release Information. The code name for the next major Debian release after etch is lenny . This release started as a copy of etch, ... |
| 08:57.32 | ham5 | www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 08:57.54 | Skaperen | lvh: then if it runs as an executable, try preloading the same file (name it as a .so) |
| 08:57.59 | tralala | some couple of years ago... |
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| 08:58.37 | werwolf | ham5: thank you :) |
| 08:58.45 | ham5 | np |
| 08:59.07 | Guerin | ok, offtopic for a moment here |
| 08:59.08 | deus__ | got it, thx for theh elp |
| 08:59.22 | werwolf | ham5: where can I download a DVD of it? |
| 08:59.30 | Guerin | those of y'all who've seen all three =Star Wars prequels, is the third one more political than the first two? |
| 08:59.45 | werwolf | so is it sarge > etch > lenny? |
| 08:59.48 | Guerin | werwolf: yes. |
| 08:59.57 | werwolf | :) great |
| 08:59.57 | werwolf | :) |
| 09:00.00 | Guerin | !beer werwolf |
| 09:00.00 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for werwolf |
| 09:00.22 | Skaperen | hmmm ... 15 moderator points |
| 09:00.22 | werwolf | :O |
| 09:00.26 | enouf | hands werwolf an 'e' |
| 09:00.33 | werwolf | no I had 4 yesterday |
| 09:00.36 | werwolf | 8-) |
| 09:00.44 | Guerin | I think it was nvz who failed to spell `Triple' there |
| 09:00.45 | werwolf | thanks Guerin |
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| 09:01.22 | lvh | Guerin: I'm not sure if it shouldn't be Tripel. I live close to Bornem irl, and we write it that way. |
| 09:01.31 | werwolf | please a link :) |
| 09:01.41 | werwolf | I will install it next week :P |
| 09:01.41 | xingu | ham5: I hate to say it but it looks like you're hitting a packet shaper; it's programmed to regulate your flows at about 1Mbit/s from some quick back of barmat math. |
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| 09:01.53 | cafuego | How do I query the userspace arch without having dpkg-archirecture installed? |
| 09:02.08 | NuMaStresa | hi ... I'm thinking of installing debian on my inspiron 1501 ... I have SATa ... any ideas what image should I download ? |
| 09:02.12 | Guerin | lvh: ah, indeed. I just wasn't sure where Bornem was, but that'd be the Belgian spelling, yeah? |
| 09:02.35 | NuMaStresa | with netinstall my hardware is not detected |
| 09:02.38 | ham5 | xingu, yup thats about what I can download at, could it be the os? |
| 09:02.40 | tralala | xingu, the speed issues appear to be linux related though |
| 09:02.50 | lvh | Guerin: Yes :-) |
| 09:02.51 | xingu | ham5: you can see it doing its thing frames 99-119 (look at the step time change at 98-99,119-120) |
| 09:02.54 | Skaperen | xingu: he doesn't have that when he runs XP ... though when he runs XP he's apparently using a different MAC and getting a different IP ... maybe the packet shaping is keyed to the Linux MAC? |
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| 09:02.59 | enouf | cafuego: file /bin/ls ? |
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| 09:03.12 | Guerin | belgian beer for the win |
| 09:03.22 | avu | cafuego, dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 09:03.22 | cafuego | dpkg --print-architecture, never mind |
| 09:03.23 | dpkg | cafuego: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 09:03.30 | cafuego | dpkg: amd64 |
| 09:03.30 | dpkg | amd64 is probably the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 09:03.31 | lvh | Guerin: Dutch (Flemish if you want to be pedantic), actually (Belgian isn't a language), but yeah, belgian triples are spelled "tripel" |
| 09:03.31 | werwolf | Guerin: Budweiser Budvar :P |
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| 09:03.39 | lvh | Guerin: I agree wholeheartedly :-p |
| 09:03.44 | werwolf | czech beer only |
| 09:03.50 | enouf | NuMaStresa: maybe you should try etchnhalf |
| 09:03.56 | tralala | ham5, are you on stable? |
| 09:03.59 | NuMaStresa | I'll search on google ... thanks |
| 09:04.04 | cafuego | Guerin: You better be careful though. Die belgen zijn rare jongens. |
| 09:04.06 | Guerin | lvh: yeah, my grandmother is Belgian, speaks Flemish as her first language (and is going to teach our daughter, she claims) |
| 09:04.10 | xingu | ham5, tralala, Skaperen: to proceed you'd need a tcpdump trace from the windows case; and I seriously doubt that anything other than the dhcp lease is regulated on a per-MAC basis |
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| 09:04.18 | Guerin | cafuego: hah |
| 09:04.20 | dimgr | !hold |
| 09:04.20 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 09:04.22 | enouf | you said you didn't have it |
| 09:04.34 | enouf | oh well - sucks to be you |
| 09:04.39 | ham5 | tralala, its mint 5 lenny I belive |
| 09:04.41 | lvh | cafuego: Rare jongens, die Belgen! (extra points if you /nick Obelix after that) |
| 09:04.45 | NuMaStresa | If I will download the install dvd it will contain the sata drivers ? |
| 09:04.46 | simonrvn | what is flemish related to, as language family? |
| 09:04.55 | xingu | ham5: it's far more likely that the flows are either regulated on a per-*vlan* basis or a per-source-IP-address basis |
| 09:04.59 | lvh | simonrvn: west germanic |
| 09:04.59 | enouf | phlegm ;-P |
| 09:05.08 | simonrvn | lvh: thanks |
| 09:05.13 | Guerin | simonrvn: all the other indo-euro ones |
| 09:05.14 | NuMaStresa | does testing contains sata drivers ? |
| 09:05.21 | lvh | simonrvn: in the throat disease subfamily |
| 09:05.28 | ham5 | xingu, per-*vlan*? |
| 09:05.30 | simonrvn | Guerin: i figured *that*, heh |
| 09:05.40 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:05.43 | xingu | ham5: regardless; the next step is ensuring that your mac and ip config detail are coherent windows v linux; and then to procure the same tcpdump sample from within windows |
| 09:05.48 | Guerin | well, it's just a matter of proximity after that :) |
| 09:05.54 | enouf | they all contain various amounts - which driver do you need? |
| 09:05.58 | simonrvn | lvh: hehe |
| 09:06.06 | Skaperen | agrees with <xingu> |
| 09:06.09 | simonrvn | Guerin: indeed |
| 09:06.17 | lvh | basically a native speaker of dutch can usually understand what a native speaker of german is saying provided he speaks reasonably clearly/slowly. |
| 09:06.19 | xingu | ham5: yes, upstream of your connection will be a distribution layer that aggregates all subscriber feeds for a given district |
| 09:06.32 | simonrvn | like french & spanish |
| 09:06.40 | simonrvn | or cree and ojibwe |
| 09:06.41 | ham5 | ahh my node.. ? |
| 09:06.48 | xingu | ham5: roughly speaking, yes. |
| 09:07.03 | Skaperen | lvh: how well does that work for Frisian/Frysk ? |
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| 09:07.48 | tralala | ham5, is it possible that you have some sort of traffic shaping configured locally? |
| 09:08.03 | lvh | Skaperen: poorly |
| 09:08.16 | ham5 | xingu, is there a way to force segment/segment/segment? |
| 09:08.25 | xingu | ham5: what I'm 85% confident on is that there's nothing left to squeeze out of this one; you have a dte rate far in excess of the shaped rate and you're achieving roughly 50% of the regulated rate; this would be considered normal tcp behaviour by me |
| 09:08.30 | Skaperen | tralala: he gets a different MAC in Linux vs. XP ... from the same physical port ... which in itself is already suspect |
| 09:08.38 | ham5 | tralala, ive read about iptables and what not but ive removed all of them |
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| 09:08.51 | lvh | Skaperen: I generally can not understand what frisians say to each other. If they try (ie avoid frisian dialect) I can catch parts of phrases which are usually enough to catch drifts. |
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| 09:09.08 | tralala | Skaperen, ham5, really? |
| 09:09.16 | xingu | ham5: you could achieve higher efficiency (100% of regulated rate) with a hold-down timer at your end (increasing the delay between your ack's to 1/1M Hz) |
| 09:09.24 | Skaperen | tralala: and those 2 MACs are radically different ... not adjacent sequence like all my dual ethernet boards |
| 09:09.33 | lvh | Skaperen: unfortunately I once missed out on one such drift from a reasonably pretty blonde frisian girl :-( |
| 09:09.35 | xingu | ham5: I'm not about to walk you through that as I'm not even sure it's possible with linux these days |
| 09:09.52 | ham5 | xingu, yea you lost me on that one |
| 09:09.53 | AcTiVaTe | lvh: Still Dutch peeps have to do their very best to understand peeps from say... Izzegem |
| 09:10.02 | werwolf | I am still looking for a correct link to download lenny DVD :( |
| 09:10.05 | AcTiVaTe | lvh: Even for me coming from Zeeuws-Vlaanderen |
| 09:10.06 | werwolf | please help me |
| 09:10.08 | lvh | Skaperen: However I reacted as with most female avances -- I stood there with a dumb look on my face |
| 09:10.09 | werwolf | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 09:10.19 | Skaperen | lvh: then maybe you need to immerse yourself in the north islands a while :) |
| 09:10.22 | ham5 | Skaperen, tralala, I only have that different mac because I wanted to change my ip it is the same in xp and linux |
| 09:10.27 | lvh | AcTiVaTe: We don't understand people from West-Flanders anyway... I learned the numbers so I could buy my westvleteren tripel :p |
| 09:10.28 | xingu | ham5: the basic problem is that tcp's rate-adaption can be summed up as "transmit at maximum rate permitted by serialisation delay until loss occurs and then halve throughput" |
| 09:10.49 | xingu | ham5: where line rate far outstrips the configured shaper (as it does here) the net effect is to trend toward 50% efficiency |
| 09:10.50 | tralala | ham5, you mean you can change the mac on your card? |
| 09:11.01 | AcTiVaTe | lvh: With a bit of effort I can actually understand bands like 't Hof van Commerce |
| 09:11.53 | Skaperen | tralala: it's a 2 port mobo ... it's doable |
| 09:11.53 | ham5 | xingu, that sounds like traffic shaping, I thought I read about something built into the linux core about that? |
| 09:12.08 | ham5 | tralala, yes |
| 09:12.35 | Skaperen | ham5: maybe somehow it got turned on in your linux |
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| 09:12.47 | xingu | ham5: it's traffic shaping in the hold/queue sense not in the police sense (which is what you're fighting upstream in the to-you direction) |
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| 09:12.58 | Skaperen | ham5: wanna turn off all your IP filtering in case it's in there? |
| 09:13.04 | simonrvn | xingu: isn't that why there's differing tcp thingies in the kernel now, to minimize dumbness like that? tcp hybla, westwood+, etc. |
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| 09:14.10 | xingu | simonrvn: good luck experimenting with that ;) what most of those focus on is faster _recovery_ not adjusing per-flow transmit _interval_ |
| 09:14.26 | simonrvn | aaah |
| 09:14.28 | ham5 | Skaperen, I have before |
| 09:14.36 | Skaperen | xingu: kinda sounds like a one-off bug affecting a full window, but Linux hasn't had such a bug in years |
| 09:14.36 | ham5 | Skaperen, Iptables anyway |
| 09:14.38 | xingu | simonrvn: feel free to cite me wrong though, my knowledge is 3y out of date and counting |
| 09:15.31 | xingu | ham5: another thought that occurs is that there may be an http/ftp proxy which is on your side of this shaper |
| 09:15.49 | xingu | ham5: check your windows settings to see if you're configured to use a proxy, there; if so - use it under linux, too. |
| 09:16.06 | ham5 | no proxy already double checked that |
| 09:16.17 | xingu | ok |
| 09:16.21 | Skaperen | xingu: which is why I wanted him to do a speed test on a different port number earlier, but he said it was not port specific ... he does have the same issue with torrents |
| 09:16.29 | xingu | nods |
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| 09:16.48 | xerxes_home | any m68k porters here? im interested in tips how to best emulate a m68k debian developement system. Im working on a patch to make OpenJDK6 work on m68k by implementing the missing atomic operations but need a testing platform for the code. |
| 09:16.57 | Skaperen | potentially a proxy on many well known ports? |
| 09:17.04 | xingu | ham5: so to take the handwaving out of this the next thing is reconfirming same mac/ip addressing windows v linux and procure a tcpdump from windows so that we can contrast. |
| 09:17.49 | Skaperen | wants a tcpdump program for XP, too |
| 09:17.57 | enouf | ham5: you are aware, IINM, that turning off iptables is not enough - you must flush the tables first, then disable it (otherwise it remains in the state last used) |
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| 09:18.12 | ham5 | Skaperen, yea thats what im thinking, im not sure I would know how to tcpdump just me |
| 09:18.19 | ham5 | in windows that is |
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| 09:18.39 | dan-ny | /whois dan-ny |
| 09:18.45 | Skaperen | still has the shrink wrap on his XP box |
| 09:18.57 | ham5 | enouf, I did a iptable -L to check is that correct? |
| 09:19.38 | enouf | ham5: do you know if you ever had any rules setup? |
| 09:19.40 | simonrvn | xingu: your knowledge is more extensive than mine on this, so even out of date is helpful. ;) |
| 09:19.52 | ham5 | enouf, I do. |
| 09:20.10 | enouf | well, then how did you remove those rules? |
| 09:20.10 | Skaperen | ham5: did you say whether you had this problem when booting from a live CD? |
| 09:20.19 | simonrvn | anyone got an 18 or 36 gb scsi drive that's in usbale and stable shape, that they're not using anymore? |
| 09:20.27 | simonrvn | (i know that's asking a lot...) |
| 09:20.32 | simonrvn | usable* |
| 09:20.35 | ham5 | Skaperen, yes |
| 09:21.15 | ham5 | enouf, in firestarter, disable firewall :) |
| 09:21.21 | Skaperen | ham5: so a default stock live CD config causes it, too ... for just you since if it did so for everyone, there's be an uproar on slashdot |
| 09:21.22 | enouf | ... |
| 09:21.25 | Posterdati | Guerin: I did downgrading libc6 and it works! |
| 09:21.49 | xingu | simonrvn: I cut my teeth on this sort of thing troubleshooting a satellite feed that was on the wonk; talk about vertical learning curves; but it's served me very well professionally since |
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| 09:22.02 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 09:22.14 | simonrvn | how sharp are your teeth now? ;) |
| 09:22.22 | Posterdati | Guerin: it was an apt problem, I got sarge with wrong sources.list |
| 09:22.24 | Skaperen | xingu: good think it didn't need a hardware change on the satellite :) |
| 09:22.32 | simonrvn | haha |
| 09:23.06 | xingu | simonrvn: double yikes; the problem proved in the end to be packet loss on the earth side of the uplink at the handoff between the unreglated isp business and the regulated satcomms "broadband" (different meaning to consumer broadband obviously) group |
| 09:23.50 | xingu | simonrvn: a bugger of a thing to debug; turned out to be a 7206vxr that neither group owned flogging itself to bits quietly in the corner (loss across the router's backplane) |
| 09:23.57 | simonrvn | *blink* *blink* ow ow |
| 09:24.12 | Skaperen | xingu: clock syncing issue? |
| 09:24.22 | xingu | Skaperen: no, just too many packets/second |
| 09:25.26 | Skaperen | xingu: back when I worked in ISP biz, a customer was having troubles and asked us for help (it wasn't with their internet service, it was an internal LAN problem) |
| 09:25.45 | simonrvn | twice now my system disk stopped spinning, with me coaxing it to spin back up.... and sweating bullets. |
| 09:26.01 | Skaperen | xingu: and they were a major business computer reseller with 3 dozen MCSEs on staff that couldn't figure it out |
| 09:26.19 | simonrvn | mcse? |
| 09:26.26 | simonrvn | tries not to laugh to hard |
| 09:26.34 | xingu | must consult senior engineer |
| 09:26.35 | simonrvn | too* |
| 09:27.05 | xingu | Skaperen: ;) it's all good fun |
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| 09:27.11 | Skaperen | xingu: I got there and found the problem in 20 minutes ... turns out it was a hardware issue ... bad electrical grounding |
| 09:27.15 | enouf | awaits the minesweeper joke ;-) |
| 09:27.17 | xingu | heh |
| 09:27.52 | Skaperen | xingu: I saw a distinct pattern in various packet rates ... the 60 Hz was getting into the cat5 |
| 09:28.13 | enouf | holy hum |
| 09:28.20 | simonrvn | Skaperen: lemme guess, you *don't* have an mcse? ;) |
| 09:28.21 | Skaperen | xingu: between computers plugged into the same power strip, no problems |
| 09:28.32 | Skaperen | simonrvn: nope |
| 09:28.52 | jescis | enouf, isn't there a minesweeper clone in aptitude? ;) |
| 09:28.56 | xingu | I had an MCP back in '96, it's probably lapsed now or something |
| 09:28.57 | Skaperen | simonrvn: don't even have a BSEE and I had to tell them how to reroute their power |
| 09:29.02 | enouf | jescis: maybe :-P |
| 09:29.06 | tralala | jescis, but not solitare yet |
| 09:29.15 | simonrvn | Skaperen: hehe |
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| 09:29.23 | Skaperen | simonrvn: then I found out they'd been having the problem for 3 years |
| 09:29.29 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 09:29.48 | simonrvn | facepalm, headdesk, and headbrickwall |
| 09:30.10 | jelly-home | whose head? |
| 09:30.22 | simonrvn | i guess the osi model never ocurred to them...? |
| 09:30.31 | simonrvn | mind typos |
| 09:30.33 | enouf | so .. which side forked over the largest bonus, and which bosses' daughter did you get to date? :P |
| 09:30.42 | simonrvn | theirs first, then mine |
| 09:30.48 | ham5 | thank you guys for your time and help, I've got a few things to try. I will be back tho |
| 09:30.49 | Skaperen | simonrvn: they had current flowing on ground wires, and it was introducing different phased voltage potentials on different computers |
| 09:30.51 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 09:31.06 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 09:31.15 | tralala | woow, two quit messages! |
| 09:31.15 | Skaperen | simonrvn: same thing that causes "hum" in audio systems |
| 09:31.35 | Skaperen | worked in TV broadcasting before he switched over to computers |
| 09:32.25 | xingu | aah, so you'd know all about satcom broadband groups then ;) |
| 09:32.38 | xingu | that's right, it's a _router_ and it routes _packets_ |
| 09:32.48 | Skaperen | xingu: not the specifics on how it is used for data |
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| 09:33.24 | Skaperen | xingu: I did some work on TV sat feeds back when it was all analog |
| 09:33.33 | xingu | those guys think they invented sliced bread since it all went pid-tagging |
| 09:34.05 | xingu | "yes well done, now if you look at this integer field in the header we like to call a `destination address' I think you'll find we're about on the same page as 1970" |
| 09:34.07 | Skaperen | xingu: back when TV stations had 15 meter dishes |
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| 09:36.22 | simonrvn | 120 years ago, right? :P |
| 09:36.53 | tralala | simonrvn, so you remember them too? ;) |
| 09:37.08 | loxley_ | Skaperen: i had a boss once that was to show me and some other guys how to properly set up a modem(many years ago).. well, the problem was that the idiot put a AC adapter into the modem when the modem was to be DC... i started to smell quite quickly |
| 09:37.54 | simonrvn | i'm 36, i remmeber weird shit |
| 09:38.14 | Skaperen | loxley_: what DC volate? |
| 09:38.14 | Skaperen | voltage |
| 09:38.26 | loxley_ | Skaperen: dont remeber i guess it was wrong :) |
| 09:39.08 | Skaperen | loxley_: I'd suspect the voltage ... the DC might have been just 12V ... hit it with 120V or 230V and ... the magic smoke gets out |
| 09:39.15 | Skaperen | loxley_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8qT9M3ECA |
| 09:39.41 | loxley_ | Skaperen: yes, i think it was 12V or something |
| 09:39.52 | simonrvn | ohnoz, the magic smoke is going away!!11! |
| 09:39.52 | loxley_ | Skaperen: quite common for such devices |
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| 09:40.55 | loxley_ | Skaperen: watching... |
| 09:41.15 | Skaperen | 120V can do a number on 12V things |
| 09:41.54 | simonrvn | it better be a *good* number |
| 09:41.58 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 09:43.07 | werwolf | do I need all 4 DVDs? |
| 09:43.08 | werwolf | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 09:43.20 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:43.31 | werwolf | which do I need please? |
| 09:43.37 | simonrvn | #1 |
| 09:43.48 | werwolf | what are the ohters? |
| 09:44.01 | simonrvn | there *is* logic to this madness ;) |
| 09:44.06 | tralala | rarely used software |
| 09:44.13 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 09:44.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 09:44.26 | simonrvn | the stuff at the end of that list |
| 09:44.27 | werwolf | I will not use it, right? |
| 09:44.56 | werwolf | I will not need it at all while the installation? |
| 09:45.11 | simonrvn | no; "during" |
| 09:45.28 | werwolf | during the installation |
| 09:45.31 | werwolf | :) |
| 09:45.32 | et | MADNESS? |
| 09:45.46 | tralala | werwolf, during the installation you might need as less as the netintst image ~170MB |
| 09:46.24 | werwolf | is it a better way to install debian this netinstall? |
| 09:46.31 | simonrvn | and you can even get away with doing by old skool floppies ;). |
| 09:46.51 | werwolf | no, I am starting with linux just now |
| 09:46.55 | werwolf | I don't know anything |
| 09:46.58 | wols_ | werwolf: if you have internet access on your debian:yes |
| 09:47.01 | werwolf | yet |
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| 09:47.12 | tralala | broadband |
| 09:47.18 | aleksanteri | !netinst |
| 09:47.18 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 09:47.19 | werwolf | 2MB |
| 09:47.37 | loxley_ | Skaperen: I liked that Nero CD and the pringles burning :) |
| 09:47.38 | werwolf | adsl |
| 09:47.39 | wols_ | werwolf: what hardware do you have? mainboard, video, sound,network card |
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| 09:47.52 | tralala | werwolf, then netinst is worthed the try |
| 09:47.57 | werwolf | athlon 1.6 GHz |
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| 09:48.13 | werwolf | asus |
| 09:48.21 | werwolf | radeon |
| 09:48.24 | simonrvn | Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-751 [Irongate] System Controller (rev 25) |
| 09:48.26 | werwolf | noidea |
| 09:48.27 | werwolf | :P |
| 09:48.30 | wols_ | werwolf: what network card? which radeon exactly? |
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| 09:48.56 | werwolf | radeon 9600 |
| 09:49.27 | werwolf | marwell yukon |
| 09:49.34 | simonrvn | detaches for a few |
| 09:49.53 | Skaperen | loxley_: check this one ... pay attention after one guy says its safe, and another guy says "no it's not" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1LNIy-1mi0 |
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| 09:50.04 | werwolf | well I will install it from the DVD |
| 09:50.18 | werwolf | can I have 2 distros on 1 HDD without problems? |
| 09:50.24 | aleksanteri | sure |
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| 09:50.34 | aleksanteri | just install them on different partitions. |
| 09:50.49 | aleksanteri | (though ye usually don't need to, debian rocks :>) |
| 09:50.54 | stanis_sh1 | Hello. In all guides abou |
| 09:50.55 | werwolf | I will buy a 320GB HDD |
| 09:51.07 | aleksanteri | how big hdd you have now? |
| 09:51.11 | werwolf | ok I wont :P |
| 09:51.18 | werwolf | 320GB |
| 09:51.30 | werwolf | with NTFS :( |
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| 09:52.00 | aleksanteri | well you can even have windows and linux side-by-side, note; ntfs is specific to a partition |
| 09:52.02 | werwolf | I wiill one HDD for debian only :P |
| 09:52.20 | werwolf | but this is not recomanded, I heard |
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| 09:52.45 | stanis_sh1 | In all guides about Gnome+Compiz I can see "gnome-window-decorator" command. How can I find it for Debian? In which package it is located? Search at packages.debian.org gave me nothing. |
| 09:52.47 | tralala | not by microsoft, no |
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| 09:53.53 | werwolf | where can I find skins for debian? |
| 09:53.56 | werwolf | themes |
| 09:54.04 | werwolf | or what the correct term for it |
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| 09:54.44 | tralala | on gnome.org |
| 09:54.45 | aleksanteri | there aren't debian themes, but kde and gnome themes |
| 09:54.55 | simonrvn | 'themes', usually. kdelook.org, gnomelook.org (could be kde-, gnome-, i haven't been there in a while). debian also has some packaged. |
| 09:55.00 | werwolf | I will use kde |
| 09:55.08 | aleksanteri | then it'll be kde-look.org |
| 09:55.15 | werwolf | thanks |
| 09:55.25 | aleksanteri | simonrvn, it has that hyphen in between; kde-look.org and gnome-look.org |
| 09:55.27 | simonrvn | aleksanteri: there are too, heh |
| 09:55.30 | enouf | should've got the kde cd then |
| 09:55.38 | simonrvn | 'k. couldn't remember. |
| 09:56.30 | tralala | he's getting a dvd |
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| 09:57.22 | werwolf | how do I install this tar? :( |
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| 09:58.46 | simonrvn | the control panel handles it. |
| 09:58.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | apt-proxy is totally awesome. |
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| 09:59.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | the initial learning curve is steep, but once you've gotten to the top it gets ridiculously easy |
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| 10:03.28 | werwolf | SilverWolf: is it my answer? |
| 10:03.34 | werwolf | simonrvn: |
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| 10:05.43 | tralala | werwolf, debian comes with tar installed |
| 10:08.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give me a list of modules for my graphics card like I would normally expect |
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| 10:08.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there any generic reason for this? |
| 10:08.38 | earthian | Hello, for a personal mail/web server what is better: etch or lenny? |
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| 10:09.37 | jelly-home | earthian: rule of thumb: server -> stable |
| 10:09.40 | joltcan | earthian: Go with etch, and then upgrade when lenny is completely done |
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| 10:09.48 | earthian | Or the question could aslo sound like would lenny be secure enough? |
| 10:09.57 | earthian | i see |
| 10:10.10 | werwolf | trala sorry? |
| 10:10.16 | earthian | thanks |
| 10:10.16 | werwolf | tralala sorry? |
| 10:11.00 | tralala | werwolf, maybe I misunderstood your question |
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| 10:17.34 | simonrvn | i think he wanted to install the tarball he got from kde-look.org |
| 10:18.27 | dureyes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:22.54 | wols_ | dureyes: what kernel (uname -a) |
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| 10:23.06 | werwolf | tralala: please could you explane me how to "install" tars? |
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| 10:23.25 | wols_ | werwolf: you can't. a tar is simply a "zip" file |
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| 10:23.45 | tralala | werwolf, tars are generally not installable |
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| 10:24.27 | dureyes | wols: 2.6.24-19 |
| 10:24.27 | x1939 | this is normal , it wouldn't show 8.0 gib dureyes |
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| 10:24.54 | wols_ | dureyes: a) this is not the output of uname -a |
| 10:24.58 | dureyes | x1939: Why is that? |
| 10:25.06 | wols_ | dureyes: and we don't support ubuntu |
| 10:25.23 | wols_ | x1939: tell him in #ubuntu please |
| 10:25.28 | x1939 | just like when you buy a hd that is 80 gigs |
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| 10:25.45 | wols_ | x1939: BS. and you are OT. tell him in #ubuntu |
| 10:26.03 | x1939 | whats wrong with you ? |
| 10:26.07 | x1939 | is he on ubuntu ? |
| 10:26.09 | dureyes | sorry going to Ubuntu, thanks for the help |
| 10:26.11 | wols_ | yes he is |
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| 10:26.29 | x1939 | try #ubuntu |
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| 10:29.27 | x1938 | damn , this #ubuntu is the largest channel on freenode! |
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| 10:30.09 | liable | err |
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| 10:30.22 | xand | this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 10:31.24 | x1938 | xand : and who said this was ? |
| 10:31.30 | xand | you did |
| 10:31.39 | xand | "this #ubuntu" |
| 10:32.11 | x1938 | or should i have said "that" . :P |
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| 10:32.48 | ledestin | /dev/sdb2 is reported to be zero-sized (it's not), if I plug another hdd and it becomes sdc2, I can read it fine. There used to be small sdb1 and large sdb2, and if I partition hdd that way, I can read sdb2 fine, but if I do sdb2 and sdb3 I sdb2 is reported as zero-sized (by dd, for example). |
| 10:33.38 | jelly-home | ledestin: and by blockdev --getsize64, for example? |
| 10:34.33 | ledestin | jelly-home: 0 |
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| 10:34.53 | jelly-home | so the kernel really thinks it's 0 |
| 10:35.38 | ledestin | jelly-home: I grepped /etc for sdb2 and the only place it's there is in lvm history. Also grepped initrd, found nothing. |
| 10:35.44 | jelly-home | ledestin: are any of the partitions on that disk in use? can you re-read the partition table? |
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| 10:36.32 | ledestin | jelly-home: sdb1 is in a raid1. fdisk -l /dev/sdb show partition table fine. |
| 10:36.40 | h0ax | how would i find out what my removable drive is called via terminal .... i.e /dev/sdb5 |
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| 10:37.41 | ledestin | h0ax: /var/log/syslog lists devices usually. |
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| 10:38.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | could someone try and use packages.debian.org to run a search? mine seems to be hanging |
| 10:38.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | wondering if its general or my issue |
| 10:38.37 | jelly-home | ledestin: can you break the mirror, remove sdb1 from it, and rescan the p.table on sdb (using hdparm -z, blockdev --rereadpt, whatever) |
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| 10:40.00 | jelly-home | ledestin: before that, what does /proc/partitions say about it? |
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| 10:40.29 | jelly-home | (sdb2) |
| 10:40.29 | h0ax | ledestin, nope didn't tell me |
| 10:40.31 | wathek | hello all |
| 10:41.02 | jelly-home | h0ax: dmesg or /var/log/kern.log, then |
| 10:41.20 | jelly-home | h0ax: assuming you plugged it in recently, it'llbe near the end |
| 10:41.24 | wathek | how can I configure ssh that is can be used only by a specific users |
| 10:41.51 | wathek | s/is/it |
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| 10:42.09 | h0ax | all those alternative tell me the same thing |
| 10:42.17 | jelly-home | wathek: man sshd_config, look for AllowUsers and friends |
| 10:42.17 | h0ax | but not what the removable drive is called |
| 10:42.26 | wathek | ok jelly-home thanx |
| 10:42.37 | ledestin | jelly-home: 8 18 99996592 sdb2 |
| 10:42.40 | jelly-home | wathek: oh wait, are you asking about the client app ssh? |
| 10:42.52 | wathek | jelly-home, no the server side |
| 10:42.57 | jelly-home | all right then |
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| 10:43.05 | TXX | Hello |
| 10:43.19 | jelly-home | ledestin: looks all right |
| 10:43.21 | TXX | one line command for ndiswrapper compilation ? |
| 10:43.34 | jelly-home | ledestin: any errors in dmesg when trying to access it? |
| 10:44.15 | ledestin | jelly-home: didn't do anything about raid yet: blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdb; LKRRPART: Device or resource busy |
| 10:44.34 | ledestin | jelly-home: no, nothing in dmesg |
| 10:45.16 | jelly-home | ledestin: that's expected, you can't rescan the partition table if the disk is in use in any way |
| 10:45.23 | fou5dolla | it was in fact iptables, or something that firestarter is setting without my knowledge :\ |
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| 10:45.56 | Tankado | How can i install TCL8.5 with apt ? |
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| 10:47.26 | fou5dolla | Tankado, you can search for it in the synptic package manager to install |
| 10:47.30 | jelly-home | Tankado: "apt-cache search tcl 8.5" will show you a list of possibly interesting packages. "apt-cache show packagename" to see its details. Install one the usual way. |
| 10:47.52 | Tankado | thanks |
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| 10:49.30 | jelly-home | Tankado: btw, there seems to be no tcl 8.5 in debian stable. |
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| 10:49.54 | ledestin | jelly-home: removed sdb1 from raid, ran blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdb. no change, still zero-sized. |
| 10:49.56 | Tankado | yeah i took the 8.4 one |
| 10:50.19 | jelly-home | ledestin: did it work this time? |
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| 10:50.35 | ledestin | jelly-home: blockdev, yes. |
| 10:50.59 | ledestin | jelly-home: that is, produced no error output, and no other output. |
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| 10:51.52 | jelly-home | ledestin: check dmesg for output; also, "echo $?" shows the exit status of previous command |
| 10:52.52 | ledestin | jelly-home: $? is 0, there's output, but nothing suspicious. |
| 10:52.55 | jelly-home | rescanning the partition table makes the kernel output "sda:\n sda1 sda2 sda3 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 > sda4 "-like line again |
| 10:53.28 | jelly-home | ledestin: interesting. :-) |
| 10:53.32 | ledestin | it's different |
| 10:53.43 | ledestin | sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 |
| 10:54.04 | jelly-home | that's fine |
| 10:54.08 | ledestin | ah, it's probably because they're all primary |
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| 10:55.03 | jelly-home | I have no idea, try debian-user mailing list, or channels ##kernel or ##linux |
| 10:55.18 | hoxu | "kernel: Dead loop on virtual device 6to4, fix it urgently!" <-- what's this? |
| 10:55.40 | ledestin | jelly-home: ok, thanks, I guess I'll try kernel first. |
| 10:55.49 | jelly-home | hoxu: sounds like something to be googled! |
| 10:56.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | sh |
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| 11:00.25 | werwolf | what uses to be the origin of the build-names? sarge etch lenny? |
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| 11:02.41 | NeoIce | werwolf: debian is named after characters from Pixar's "Toy Story" |
| 11:02.52 | NeoIce | thats why 'sid' is such a funny name |
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| 11:03.42 | nomoa | hi, I have strange security limitations on a new installed system, normal users cannot see other users process even in the /proc filesystem. Any clues of what is causing this behaviour? |
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| 11:09.30 | tralala | nomoa, have you got selinux running? |
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| 11:10.19 | hoxu | ~calmdownandgoogle jelly-home |
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| 11:10.33 | hoxu | erhm |
| 11:10.36 | hoxu | !calmdownandgoogle jelly-home |
| 11:10.36 | dpkg | jelly-home: Calm down! It's not the end of humanity as we know it. Try googling for it. |
| 11:10.45 | hoxu | jelly-home, there, a new CMD, as a tribute to you ;) |
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| 11:11.49 | hoxu | nothing relevant on google, rhmrh |
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| 11:12.53 | werwolf | NeoIce: thanks :) |
| 11:13.20 | werwolf | I love Wall-E from Pixar |
| 11:13.40 | nomoa | tralala, I don't think so... no /etc/selinux (it's system installed by our host manager) |
| 11:13.43 | jelly-home | hoxu: drop "Kernel:" and "6to4" from the search, and quote the remaining two parts |
| 11:13.53 | jelly-home | "Dead loop on virtual device" "fix it urgently!" |
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| 11:14.32 | nico`` | hi |
| 11:14.42 | nico`` | i'm using gdm and E17, and i'd like to configure autologin. For some reason the user list is blank in gdmsetup ("enable automatic login") and when i enter my username manually it doesn't seem to save it (i close and reopen gdmsetup, it's gone). any idea what i'm doing wrong? |
| 11:15.02 | hoxu | jelly-home, thanks for the tip... |
| 11:15.07 | nomoa | tralala, /proc/PIDs folder permissions are r-x------, strange no? |
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| 11:15.39 | tralala | nomoa, I'm out of guesses |
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| 11:16.06 | nomoa | tralala, thanks |
| 11:16.28 | SpeCon | hello: Is there any shell command that i can use to check out who logged in on my server today ? |
| 11:16.35 | hoxu | SpeCon, last |
| 11:16.42 | SpeCon | hoxu: ok |
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| 11:25.38 | phdmybest | i install a new debian with debootstrap, then i want to install lxde. what should i do ? anyone could help ? |
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| 11:31.45 | Kovensky | I'm having a problem with dpkg-gencontrol: "dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many () |
| 11:32.06 | Kovensky | if I pass the package, I get "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package mplayer not in control info" |
| 11:32.15 | Kovensky | but "Package: mplayer" is the first line on debian/control |
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| 11:34.33 | yomismosolo | echo "hola" |
| 11:34.42 | yomismosolo | ping? |
| 11:35.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | ping: cannot resolve blast_hardcheese: unknown host |
| 11:35.48 | arctic01 | can anyone help me with a kernel problem? I am stuck, no kernel can be installed or removed. I walways get this in lenny: http://pastebin.com/m3d773355 |
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| 11:36.05 | ^shark_ | Kovensky:http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-sourcepkg.html |
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| 11:36.28 | arctic01 | i googled and tried a zillion of things, but nothing helps, no forced isntall, no update-grub, no nothing... |
| 11:36.44 | yomismosolo | a fishful of things... |
| 11:36.49 | luxh | hm. what scheduler is the debian kernels running? |
| 11:37.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | arctic01: Could you temporarily change your language to english? |
| 11:37.03 | yomismosolo | we? |
| 11:37.10 | yomismosolo | the scheduler doesn't cause tha |
| 11:37.12 | yomismosolo | t |
| 11:37.33 | arctic01 | I can translate the stuff. please wait a moment |
| 11:37.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | arctic01: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 11:38.34 | yomismosolo | people |
| 11:39.06 | yomismosolo | can anyone tell me if is too heavy to make an iptables ad-block? |
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| 11:40.54 | yomismosolo | ¿? |
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| 11:41.18 | arctic01 | the english translation: http://pastebin.com/m3fb4a68f |
| 11:41.37 | NeoIce | anyone know how debian on SPARC performs compared to x86? |
| 11:41.59 | yomismosolo | x86 the worse |
| 11:42.04 | yomismosolo | everyting over it |
| 11:42.08 | NeoIce | or how the sparc platform is at all |
| 11:42.26 | yomismosolo | i runned it on a pizza |
| 11:42.32 | NeoIce | not really familiar with processors at the level of design, I just like the thought of owning a SPARC for $25 |
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| 11:42.58 | yomismosolo | pizza=Sun SparcStation 10 |
| 11:43.15 | yomismosolo | useless... |
| 11:43.43 | yomismosolo | is better than a x86... of its time |
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| 11:44.03 | arctic01 | Blast_Hardcheese: any idea what could be wrong or how to fix it? |
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| 11:45.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | arctic01: weird, no clue... I'd try aptitude dist-upgrade, but that's just me |
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| 11:46.33 | arctic01 | tried that already, but it always returns the error messages. After several days working on this problem I am considering a reinstall. :( |
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| 11:52.23 | luxh | cfq is default ioscheduler for those wondering |
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| 11:54.54 | Kovensky | wants Deadline |
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| 11:56.48 | luxh | it's compiled in |
| 11:57.32 | luxh | $ zgrep -i IOSCHED config-2.6.26-1-686.gz |
| 11:57.32 | luxh | CONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=y |
| 11:57.32 | luxh | CONFIG_IOSCHED_AS=y |
| 11:57.32 | luxh | CONFIG_IOSCHED_DEADLINE=y |
| 11:57.32 | luxh | CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y |
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| 11:59.05 | luxh | can i change ioscheduler without compiling? |
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| 11:59.38 | Kovensky | the option must be somewhere in /proc... |
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| 11:59.47 | Kovensky | otherwise you wouldn't be able to compile them ALL |
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| 12:00.09 | luxh | CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq" |
| 12:00.13 | luxh | you have that |
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| 12:01.35 | insolit | hi |
| 12:01.38 | insolit | My PXE boot PC, detects the dhcp server, get the pxelinux.0 file, then it shows "trying to load pxelinux.cfg/..." but never finds anything |
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| 12:01.55 | insolit | I've created the proper files for the IP's being ranged by my dhcp server |
| 12:02.08 | insolit | still does not work, now i even put the "default" file still it's not found |
| 12:02.15 | insolit | anyone can help me with this? |
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| 12:04.19 | fiendishfish | Whenever I try use apt, I get a message reffering to a package I really don't care about and can't continue any other operations with apt |
| 12:04.25 | fiendishfish | E: The package alarm-clock needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 12:07.54 | Fiskah | How do I get an overview over which installed packages need update? |
| 12:09.05 | abrotman | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade ? |
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| 12:13.33 | eve | why the package atl1e-source is not included anymore in lenny ? it is on the default 2.6.26 debian kernel now ? |
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| 12:19.36 | octoserver | what package do i need for flash to work with iceweasel ? |
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| 12:20.54 | abrotman | you can use gnash or swfdec .. or get flash from adobe.com(or /msg dpkg dmm) |
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| 12:21.08 | JackScott | Hi. I'm running an AMD64 stable system, fully updated (as far as I can tell). I'm trying to install libc6-dev so I can do some development, but when I go to install it, it complains of an unresolved dependency. libc6 is at version <x>-etch7, but for the installation to work it wants <x>-etch5. How do I get this installed? |
| 12:21.15 | octoserver | should i use the GPL Flash (SWF) Library or Macromedia Flash Player ? |
| 12:21.19 | nikolavp | i use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:21.38 | AbsintheSyringe | yep, same here, flashplugin-nonfree does it for me |
| 12:21.42 | nikolavp | gnash just crashed too much over here (i would prefer it anyday instad) |
| 12:21.54 | nikolavp | s/instad/instead |
| 12:22.05 | octoserver | there are so many, and i am sure if i have two installed none will work right lol |
| 12:22.15 | octoserver | which is the preferred ? |
| 12:22.26 | earthian | is there any idea or something on when will lenny becomes stable? |
| 12:22.45 | AbsintheSyringe | earthian, by my guess within a month or so |
| 12:23.01 | earthian | hm |
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| 12:23.12 | earthian | then i am staying with lenny on my server lol :) |
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| 12:23.19 | earthian | coz i have that feeling too |
| 12:23.31 | octoserver | when i remove something in synaptic, does it also purge ? |
| 12:23.40 | AbsintheSyringe | on servers it's all etch for me, on desktop/notebook I've been on lenny since etch basically came out |
| 12:23.52 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, yes if you select to purge when removing |
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| 12:24.11 | octoserver | i didint notice that option hmmm |
| 12:24.23 | grand_grunt | Hi there |
| 12:24.37 | grand_grunt | Got a very strange issue on a laptop, after upgrading to Lenny |
| 12:24.37 | AbsintheSyringe | try again, "mark for complete removal" that's purge in synaptic |
| 12:24.54 | Akuw | what application is there to change partition size? |
| 12:24.57 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, about flash plugin, just get this file and install it http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:25.05 | Akuw | in booting cd |
| 12:25.05 | AbsintheSyringe | Akuw, gparted? |
| 12:25.09 | grand_grunt | It hangs on "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." |
| 12:25.09 | Akuw | hummm |
| 12:25.10 | Akuw | ok |
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| 12:25.17 | Akuw | where is it ? |
| 12:25.30 | AbsintheSyringe | aptitude install gparted? |
| 12:25.35 | AbsintheSyringe | terminal -> gparted |
| 12:25.43 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, let me see your /etc/fstab |
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| 12:26.23 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: I boot it on CD, then I shown you |
| 12:26.30 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: thanks, i got rid of the other one i had installed |
| 12:26.33 | Akuw | thanks, i am downloading cd iso |
| 12:26.36 | Akuw | live |
| 12:26.55 | AbsintheSyringe | Akuw, good choice ;) |
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| 12:27.21 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, holdo on, booting it on cd? I don't get it, please elaborate what are you trying to do and what happened |
| 12:27.22 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: oh yea, does it matter if i am in lenny ? |
| 12:27.33 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, I'm on lenny ;) |
| 12:27.49 | octoserver | ok |
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| 12:27.59 | AbsintheSyringe | doesn't matter it won't have any weird deps or anything, and you'll get the latest adobe flash plugin so yea it's all cool |
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| 12:28.01 | octoserver | for somew reason right now i cant open the link |
| 12:28.23 | eve | how i can know if a debian kernel includes a fix in a driver ? in the changelog of debian ? |
| 12:28.27 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: when I boot the laptop from hard drive, it starts booting, then halts with "Waiting for root file system" |
| 12:28.35 | octoserver | i think this new ver of iceweasel is making my mad lol |
| 12:28.51 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: After a long while, it starts a minimal shell, where I see no hard drive or CDROM in /dev |
| 12:28.52 | octoserver | my tab mix plus plugin doenst work anymore too |
| 12:29.06 | AbsintheSyringe | eve, check your kernels .config file |
| 12:29.19 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, why, iceweasel/firefox 3 rocks if you ask me |
| 12:29.24 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: I've just boot it from a Linux CD, that found /dev/sda, and I have mounted /dev/sda1 to show you the fstab |
| 12:29.45 | octoserver | well, i like firefox, but i didnt see it in the repo |
| 12:29.56 | grand_grunt | octoserver: iceweasel |
| 12:29.57 | octoserver | i felt like iceweasel was my nly option |
| 12:30.38 | AbsintheSyringe | there's no much different between those two, expect iceweasel gives freedom to firefox |
| 12:31.15 | octoserver | firefox isnt in the repo anymore ? |
| 12:31.22 | AbsintheSyringe | nah |
| 12:31.31 | AbsintheSyringe | since etch was released |
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| 12:31.45 | AbsintheSyringe | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 12:31.48 | Kovensky | AbsintheSyringe: the logo |
| 12:31.51 | Kovensky | AbsintheSyringe: the logo is important! :O |
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| 12:32.14 | AbsintheSyringe | Kovensky, yep apparently so, besides logo you know what else is important? homepage :) |
| 12:32.17 | JackScott | I fixed it. |
| 12:33.04 | octoserver | aaahhhh |
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| 12:33.28 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: no idea for my broken Debian (excepting reinstall)? |
| 12:33.53 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, try checking this, if I correctly understood your problem |
| 12:33.54 | AbsintheSyringe | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11653 |
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| 12:35.07 | Akuw | i want to configure my wireless card so i can use wep, wpa etc |
| 12:35.30 | AbsintheSyringe | Akuw, so what's stopping you? |
| 12:35.47 | Akuw | well |
| 12:36.18 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: what would you say is the best way to install the .deb i downloaded ? |
| 12:36.23 | Akuw | by default debian have network configurator |
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| 12:36.46 | Akuw | but you can select diferent types of encryption |
| 12:38.00 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: looks like my trouble, except that Etch kernel has the same issue. I'll follow the idea anyway |
| 12:38.01 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, dpkg -i |
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| 12:38.26 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: what about making my desktop in the source list and letting aptitude find it lol |
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| 12:38.47 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, trust me just do what I say, dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_1.6.3_i386.deb |
| 12:39.11 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, one minute, I'm gonna move and chill and drink my coffee on balcony one second ;) |
| 12:39.12 | AbsintheSyringe | brb |
| 12:40.13 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: i am going to do that, but i just wondered from a point of organization what the difference would be to use aptitude vs just dpkg, but aptitude uses dpkg itself doesnt it ?> |
| 12:41.12 | AbsintheSyringe | nah man |
| 12:41.33 | AbsintheSyringe | make sure you check man dpkg |
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| 12:42.16 | AbsintheSyringe | you could do that same thing by adding unstable sources (same resp you just downloaded that package) adn then configure apt priority so not everything new you wanna get comes from unstable |
| 12:42.18 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: oh, i just assumed dpkg was what apt calls to actually get the job done |
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| 12:42.23 | AbsintheSyringe | but it's just too much pain for such a simple task |
| 12:42.34 | AbsintheSyringe | :) |
| 12:42.44 | AbsintheSyringe | did you install, do you have it working? |
| 12:42.54 | octoserver | i installed it and checking it now |
| 12:42.58 | phdmybest | i install lenny in debian with debootstrap, i want to install lxde in lenny and keep the system thin. what should i install? will xorg and lxde enough? anyone could help ? |
| 12:44.15 | AbsintheSyringe | phdmybest, you mean is xserver enough to have lxde working? |
| 12:44.22 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: it is working, thanks |
| 12:44.27 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, ;) |
| 12:44.59 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: what java do you use ? |
| 12:45.31 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, you mean plugin or ? |
| 12:45.35 | phdmybest | AbsintheSyringe: i don't know. i am new to debian. |
| 12:46.23 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, aptitude install sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-doc sun-java5-fonts sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin |
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| 12:46.49 | phdmybest | i install a lenny base system and want to use the lxde for an old computer. i want to know what i should install except lxde and xorg. |
| 12:46.54 | Kovensky | AbsintheSyringe: isn't that abusive? I think sun-java5-jdk covers lots of those options as deps |
| 12:46.55 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, later on just remove gcj if you wanna do some work in eclipse, cuz gcj along with suns java can cause compiling errors |
| 12:47.27 | wols_ | phdmybest: why'd you want anything else? |
| 12:47.38 | AbsintheSyringe | phdmybest, yea, just install xserver and aptitude lxde so it gets all the needed stuff, and you should be fine |
| 12:47.53 | wols_ | Kovensky: few people need a jdk.unless they program in java |
| 12:48.05 | AbsintheSyringe | Kovensky, yeh ... however for some time already I wanna make a final switch to icedtea, but ... |
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| 12:48.31 | Kovensky | wols_: then sun-java5-plugin covers the rest |
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| 12:48.56 | Kovensky | AbsintheSyringe: I think you should switch to openjdk; they're merging icedtea with it |
| 12:49.06 | yziquel | hi. ssh and sshd seems to be installed fine, but i get a "ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused" error when i try to connect. i put sshd: localhost in /etc/hosts.allow, but it doesn't work out. Any ideas? |
| 12:49.18 | Kovensky | yziquel: firewall? |
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| 12:49.28 | AbsintheSyringe | Kovensky, I surely will, just still waiting till it's all "stable" that is once it's all merged into one development "plan" |
| 12:49.41 | AbsintheSyringe | till then I'm good with java 1.5 |
| 12:49.42 | phdmybest | AbsintheSyringe: do you mean apt-get install xserver lxde? |
| 12:50.01 | yziquel | Kovensky: not that I know off. I'm doing ssh yziquel@localhost, and i do not have a firewall installed (at least i believe so). |
| 12:50.06 | AbsintheSyringe | phdmybest, one sec |
| 12:50.22 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: thanks, sun java is what i always used on suse too |
| 12:50.42 | AbsintheSyringe | phdmybest, http://lxde.org/wiki/Debian |
| 12:50.49 | phdmybest | wols_: i do want install something like opera.but i install lenny on my flash disk. i want to make it light. |
| 12:51.03 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, don't know I used to be a long time slackware user, and sun java was always there so ... yea |
| 12:51.17 | Kovensky | yziquel: try putting "ALL: ALL" in hosts.allow |
| 12:51.30 | Kovensky | yziquel: I'm guessing that; you should read hosts.allow(5) |
| 12:51.37 | octoserver | it always seemed towork better for me too |
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| 12:52.39 | octoserver | why does apt alway say selecting previously deselected package, even if it is a new package never used before ? |
| 12:52.58 | yziquel | Kovensky: just a small question: if I do ssh yziquel@localhost, i'm using port 22 to try to access port 22, which is already busy. am i mistaking? |
| 12:53.10 | wols_ | yziquel: you are |
| 12:53.20 | yziquel | wols_: argh! |
| 12:53.27 | phdmybest | AbsintheSyringe: thanks . but xorg is so big, i want to leave some packages out. |
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| 12:53.37 | wols_ | your local port is not port 22, only the remote port is |
| 12:53.40 | Kovensky | yziquel: you're not BINDING to the port 22, you're only accessing it |
| 12:53.51 | yziquel | wols_: so how can i test that ssh is working if I have only one computer. |
| 12:53.52 | wols_ | and many colients can connect to´the same server port |
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| 12:54.08 | AbsintheSyringe | yziquel, aptitude install openssl? |
| 12:54.16 | wols_ | yziquel: working in what way? |
| 12:54.19 | AbsintheSyringe | yziquel, try connectint to someone from your lan or something |
| 12:54.35 | yziquel | AbsintheSyringe: only one computer on the lan. |
| 12:54.49 | wols_ | !wayttd yziquel |
| 12:54.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yziquel? |
| 12:54.56 | AbsintheSyringe | you mean, only that one you'r eon right now? |
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| 12:55.13 | yziquel | wols_: i've been trying to install ssh, and i'd like to check if the installation is ok. That's why i try to do ssh yziquel@localhost. |
| 12:55.28 | yziquel | dpkg: simply installing and checking that everything works fine. |
| 12:55.29 | dpkg | yziquel: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:55.39 | wols_ | yziquel: kinda useless to connect via ssh to localhost... does sshd listen on port 22? |
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| 12:57.04 | yziquel | wols_: i know it's kind of useless. i want to connect to it in a few days, when I'm away... how do i check is ssh is effectively listening on port 22? ssh_config contains "Port 22" |
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| 12:57.35 | NeoIce | yziqel: nmap? telnet? |
| 12:57.40 | wols_ | with netstat |
| 12:57.51 | NeoIce | that was going to be my next idea |
| 12:57.54 | yziquel | thanks a lot for helping me. |
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| 12:58.10 | wols_ | netstat -anp | grep 11 |
| 12:58.13 | wols_ | netstat -anp | grep 22 |
| 12:58.29 | yziquel | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 12:58.47 | NeoIce | specify the port |
| 12:59.11 | wols_ | NeoIce: ssh itself already gives him connection refused... |
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| 12:59.19 | yziquel | NoeIce: i did telnet localhost 22 |
| 12:59.23 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: something fail during the java install, but synaptic still shows it as installed, is there a way for dpkg to look for any broken packages or look for anything that needs to be fixed ? |
| 12:59.30 | wols_ | yziquel: I told you what to do |
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| 13:00.02 | wols_ | octoserver: dpkg -l |grep java |
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| 13:00.10 | Kovensky | it is weird that it is failing for yziquel, for me it Just Works(tm) |
| 13:00.52 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, aptitude -f install |
| 13:01.00 | Kovensky | and my hosts.allow is EMPTY, there are only comments on it |
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| 13:03.41 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: ok lol, it was the doc files that did go in right |
| 13:03.47 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: no worry then |
| 13:03.49 | AbsintheSyringe | oh |
| 13:03.51 | AbsintheSyringe | yea |
| 13:04.07 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, you need to download thato one manually chown root and mv it to /tmp |
| 13:04.11 | AbsintheSyringe | or just disregard that one |
| 13:04.12 | AbsintheSyringe | :) |
| 13:04.15 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: hey, that aptitude -f is great , it found all of the problems and tryed to fix them |
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| 13:04.27 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, ;) |
| 13:04.45 | grand_grunt | I just can not understand the new grub... :S |
| 13:05.04 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: i am startig to like debian more than suse, especialy now that the 3d works good and they are using xorg 7.2 |
| 13:05.22 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, I tried that distro few years ago, I hated it |
| 13:05.37 | AbsintheSyringe | I remember giving to to my sister who was 16 at the time, and 16 year old couldn't stand it :) |
| 13:05.41 | AbsintheSyringe | debian rulz |
| 13:06.40 | AbsintheSyringe | I was slackware users for many many years, then started getting into debian, managed to get to debconf7, and ever since, it's only debian for me |
| 13:06.42 | grand_grunt | .. and new grub sucks.. |
| 13:06.52 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, what's the problem? |
| 13:07.18 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: trying to fix the laptop I told you |
| 13:07.24 | abrotman | grand_grunt: then don't use it |
| 13:07.35 | AbsintheSyringe | excatly |
| 13:07.36 | abrotman | no one is forcing you to use grub2 |
| 13:07.40 | AbsintheSyringe | what's bothering you about it |
| 13:07.46 | grand_grunt | abrotman: Yes, I could use lilo :) good idea |
| 13:07.56 | abrotman | see .. i provide solutions |
| 13:07.57 | AbsintheSyringe | yep, lilo's pretty cool |
| 13:08.02 | AbsintheSyringe | :) |
| 13:08.29 | Kovensky | new grub? where? |
| 13:08.33 | danih | yep, if you just want to boot your system you should use lilo :p |
| 13:08.39 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: I was seeking for the menu.lst of my eeePc, thinking I could use it for the other laptop.. no more menu.lst o_O |
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| 13:09.54 | Kovensky | speaking of grub, I discovered where was the update-grub borkage: I put a root device with LABEL= in the name; after I changed that it stopped borking |
| 13:09.57 | abrotman | Kovensky: it's been in lenny for quite some time |
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| 13:10.35 | Kovensky | abrotman: oh, grub-pc, not grub |
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| 13:10.38 | Kovensky | abrotman: will try it >( |
| 13:10.40 | Kovensky | >) |
| 13:10.43 | Kovensky | stupid typo lol |
| 13:10.43 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, apt-get instal --reinstall grub |
| 13:10.44 | stew | lilo doesn't work for the latest debian kernels anymore :( |
| 13:10.46 | AbsintheSyringe | update-grub ... ? |
| 13:11.11 | danih | stew, from what kernel up doesn't lilo work anymore? |
| 13:11.24 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: it will be hard to apt-get on a system that cann't boot |
| 13:11.30 | stew | danih: either 2.6.25 2.6.26, i don't remember which |
| 13:11.51 | danih | im running 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 13:11.51 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, well can you boot it from single mode? |
| 13:11.55 | danih | with lilo, no probs |
| 13:12.22 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: no more. nothing works, Etch or lenny kernel in normal or single mode. |
| 13:12.41 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, do you have seperate partiton for / and for /home? |
| 13:12.49 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: yes. |
| 13:13.03 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, then just reinstall, don't format /home and that's it :) |
| 13:13.50 | grand_grunt | AbsintheSyringe: Yes, it seems to be the fastest way. |
| 13:13.58 | AbsintheSyringe | grand_grunt, yeh, just go for it |
| 13:14.13 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: did you see william wallace ? |
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| 13:14.36 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, where on debconf? :) |
| 13:14.52 | zamba | when setting up my dhcpd for dynamic updates.. in the host declaration for hosts with fixed ips.. do i have to declare both option host-name AND ddns-hostname.. in other words, what's the difference? |
| 13:14.57 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: lol it was in scotland right ? |
| 13:15.08 | stew | danih: hmm, i'm looking at #479607, which is marked as done, though there are subsequent people saying that it is still broken |
| 13:15.22 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, yep, edinburgh, nah, but I saw many interessting people, including mark shuttleworth |
| 13:15.36 | danih | well i might be lucky then :) |
| 13:15.39 | AbsintheSyringe | hold on, I'm gonna move back inside, too hot outside :) |
| 13:15.55 | stew | danih: oh, do you have "large-memory" in lilo.conf? |
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| 13:16.45 | octoserver | cool , is it cool in scotland, or just like any other place with trees and rock, and stuff that crawls under rocks ? |
| 13:17.12 | danih | stew, please forgive me, i am using grub :D |
| 13:17.25 | danih | was confused because i've been installing lilo on another system today |
| 13:17.48 | Kovensky | doesn't use lilo in AEONS |
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| 13:18.21 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, now that you got your flash working, you may be interesting in seeing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAUqvuj_bo |
| 13:19.07 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: cool |
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| 13:19.52 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, ;) |
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| 13:20.39 | LjL | my Epson RX500 USB scanner used to work (on testing), but doesn't anymore, and i've lost track of which changes may have occurred. sane-find-scanner lists it, scanimage -L does not. it used to need the epkowa driver, although i think recently it worked with the epson driver, too. i'm thinking the disappearance of any usb device from /dev/usb (only "lp0" is left), and the appearance of /dev/usbdev* instead, might perhaps be related. |
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| 13:23.53 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: haha, i am retarted, when i clicked the link, i didnt notice that it opened konqueror and i was likw :O its not working :O |
| 13:24.46 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, :) |
| 13:24.58 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, I used to be a long time kde user, but after kde 4 ... I switched to gnome |
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| 13:26.52 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: i havent tryed kde4 yet, was it that bad that you went to gnome ? lol |
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| 13:27.26 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, I wrote something baout that one,if you're interested http://foolcontrol.org/?p=178 |
| 13:27.49 | AbsintheSyringe | kde4 is horrible, then kde4.1 still horrible, dunno but imo gnome is just doing great things right now |
| 13:28.09 | AbsintheSyringe | while kde4 fskde it up in numbers and numbers of aspects and ideas |
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| 13:31.01 | yziquel | patie: http://paste.lisp.org/display/66400 |
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| 13:31.18 | yziquel | seems i have problems with my host keys with openssh |
| 13:31.59 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: lol, cool |
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| 13:34.36 | henux | Does Debian use System-V init or ... ? |
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| 13:34.53 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: do they ever have a debcon in the US ? |
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| 13:35.15 | stew | henux: yes, it uses sysv by default. there are other inits available, however |
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| 13:36.40 | fr00g | ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Device or resource busy<--how can i fix this? |
| 13:36.51 | octoserver | mmmmm buckwheat pancakes cooked in coconut oil mmmmm |
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| 13:37.15 | liable | fr00g: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 13:37.25 | franzz | hello i've router dlink 504t with iptables interface,i've ip 192.168.1.2,when start daemon service,not open on ip extern,but only in lan,what command i should use in iptables for open port? |
| 13:37.28 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, nah, till now it was never held it us, every year debconf is being held on different continent, debconf7 which I attendted was in edinburgh, scotland, then this year it was in mar del plata, argentina, then next year it's being held in spain |
| 13:37.49 | jelly-home | fr00g: make your apps use alsa instead of oss if you can |
| 13:38.09 | Snewp1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.53 | fr00g | jelly-home liable: thank you |
| 13:39.01 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: they need to have one in Hong Kong |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | Snewp1: #postfix |
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| 13:39.54 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, well after spain, lug from hong kong should bid for hong kong, and if all requirements are fulfilled, then why not :) |
| 13:41.28 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: hong kong is great, i would definately go there for that |
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| 13:41.48 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: i want to go back anyway lol\ |
| 13:41.54 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: best food ever |
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| 13:43.35 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: still no guarantee it will be in .us |
| 13:44.02 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, when it comes to asia, there is some talk about Thailand, that'd definitely be cool, there was also this talk about Japan (I soo badly wanna go to Japan), but problem with Japan was that it was too expensive, and Sony as the main sponsor for Japan, wasn't doing that well or something, so it went down the drain, problem is it's pretty expensive |
| 13:44.13 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, yea, I don't think it's gonna be any time soon |
| 13:44.22 | scifi | Hi guys, im having trouble with losing my wifi after a reboot, is there some way I can save my iwconfig settings??? |
| 13:44.28 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: well .. all the current candidates are in .us/.ca |
| 13:44.41 | stew | scifi: you can put them in /etc/network/interfaces ; man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 13:44.43 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: hong kong is tha answer |
| 13:44.49 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: it is great there |
| 13:45.14 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, yea if I can remember correctly debconf3 was held in canada or 2 or something like that |
| 13:45.16 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: in thailand, you cant tell which is a guy or a girl lol |
| 13:45.24 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: montreal IIRC |
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| 13:45.48 | AbsintheSyringe | dunno, I wouldn't mind going to canada |
| 13:46.17 | AbsintheSyringe | in us I'v been visiting on many occasions, I also lived there for some time so ... should go there finish a semester with my univiersity, so for me usa is not that "hot" |
| 13:46.24 | AbsintheSyringe | but canada, why not :) |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | oh .. totally wrong .. dc3 was in oslo |
| 13:47.06 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, ah yes, I got it wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debconf |
| 13:47.10 | AbsintheSyringe | my bad |
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| 13:47.57 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, are you from us? |
| 13:48.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:48.18 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, why don't you guys place a bid after spain or something |
| 13:48.44 | AbsintheSyringe | are lug's in us interested in hosting debconf? |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: DC9 has already been decided |
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| 13:49.06 | abrotman | and it's not a LUG that hosts |
| 13:49.13 | AbsintheSyringe | for example, we in bosnia, were candidates about debconf7, it was sarajevo vs edinburgh, and of course edinburgh won |
| 13:49.15 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: i live in the US and i agree lol |
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| 13:52.33 | scifi | stew: i actually already have a interfaces file setup which points to my wpa_supplicant.conf for wpa authentication, but for some reason after a reboot it loses the essid and also it defaults to the wrong frequency |
| 13:52.33 | yziquel | seems i solved my ssh problem. host keys seemed to have some kind of problem. Uninstalling and reinstalling openssh-server solved. Thank you for the help. |
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| 13:53.30 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, I know debconf9 is already decided, but after debconf9, it's gonna be different continent, so you guys could easily get debconf10, you could easily get a lot big sponsors as well |
| 13:53.49 | AbsintheSyringe | I definetely woulnd't mind going to us |
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| 13:54.07 | abrotman | i just said .. all the candidates are .us/.ca |
| 13:54.16 | AbsintheSyringe | ooh |
| 13:54.20 | AbsintheSyringe | didn't catch you there, sorry |
| 13:54.39 | AbsintheSyringe | there was this talk once about new york, but they gave up cuz of the prices there |
| 13:54.45 | AbsintheSyringe | you know anything more about that one? |
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| 13:55.57 | Trewas | US has made traveling there quite inconvenient recently, though now it would be quite cheap compared to few years back |
| 13:56.31 | abrotman | http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10 |
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| 13:56.49 | AbsintheSyringe | yea, travel was that prevented me from going to Argentina, that instead of buying myself ticket to Argentina, I just got myself thinkpad x300, for pretty much the same price |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | oh .. totally forgot about the one in venezuela |
| 13:56.52 | scifi | cud anyone help me with my wifi, i have a interfaces and wpa_supplicant file setup but after a reboot i lose my wifi connection |
| 13:57.09 | abrotman | chews cud |
| 13:57.22 | scifi | cud=could |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | see .. that wasn't so hard :) |
| 13:57.45 | AbsintheSyringe | :) |
| 13:57.52 | asg | !moo |
| 13:57.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:57.57 | Tr0gdor | moo: os: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) Server 2003, Enterprise Edition - Service Pack 2 (5.2.3790) up: 1wk 1day 12hrs 13mins 58secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz (x86) at 2400MHz (4% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB res: 1920x1200 32bit 60Hz ram: 904/2046.4MB (44.16%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 107.51GB/139.73GB E:\ 64.87GB/372.61GB H:\ 74.46GB/74.53GB Z:\ 384.59GB/465.76GB net: Realtek RTL8168_8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet N |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | Tr0gdor: turn that off |
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| 13:58.14 | asg | Tr0gdor: turn that off |
| 13:58.23 | abrotman | and you're a loser! :) |
| 13:58.44 | asg | I'm not the one running 2003 |
| 13:58.50 | abrotman | i meant him .. not you |
| 13:58.59 | jelly-home | two idiots, one thought? |
| 13:59.01 | jelly-home | hides |
| 13:59.14 | asg | wiggles the jelly |
| 14:00.44 | stew | scifi: are you setting the essid and frequency in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:01.10 | xingu | jelly-home: I doubt an idiot would be capable of operating a keyboard for its intended purpose; moron might be more apt |
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| 14:01.49 | sly007 | Hello, I am running stable, and want to get openssh-server 4.4. I currently have openssh 4.3 |
| 14:01.56 | sly007 | Is this possible? |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:02.04 | Akuw | i am defining partitions in my laptop |
| 14:02.13 | scifi | stew: no in wpa_supplicant, well only the ssid, i dont know if i can add the frequency or not |
| 14:02.15 | sly007 | abrotman: I need the Match keyword |
| 14:02.17 | Akuw | to usr is good to use 5GB ? |
| 14:02.25 | sly007 | abrotman: it is |
| 14:02.36 | stew | scifi: you can add the ssid and channel/frequency to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:02.40 | sly007 | abrotman: is this a good reason enough for you ? |
| 14:02.45 | Akuw | usr will have all applications right? |
| 14:03.01 | abrotman | sly007: i'll still ask why? :) |
| 14:03.03 | Akuw | in what other directory debian install applications by default? |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | sly007: you'd have to backport it yourself or migrate to lenny |
| 14:03.38 | sly007 | abrotman: because I need to restrict tcp port forwarding for some users |
| 14:03.40 | stew | Akuw: /bin. applications will use /var/lib to store data |
| 14:03.42 | scifi | stew: i'll paste my interfaces file, and cud u tell me which line and what format i need to add that info pls |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | sly007: the bad bad users! |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | sly007: /msg dpkg ssb .. you'll be on your own for security issues |
| 14:04.05 | Akuw | humm but default debian suggest 3GB to /var |
| 14:04.08 | stew | scifi: wireless_whatever where whatever is something you would pass to iwconfig, man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 14:04.16 | Akuw | is so little |
| 14:04.25 | sly007 | abrotman: just want to create a sftp server with anonymous access |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | why wouldn't you just use ftp or http? |
| 14:04.53 | abrotman | or this is for uploading? |
| 14:05.22 | sly007 | for uploading |
| 14:05.27 | sly007 | i want it secure |
| 14:05.43 | sly007 | and down't want to install something else when openssh can do the trick |
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| 14:06.20 | sly007 | =msg dpkg backports |
| 14:06.51 | jelly-home | sly007: if you choose to create a backport (/msg dpkg ssb), you'll have to take care of upgrades and security issues by yourself |
| 14:07.16 | abrotman | didn't i just say that?! |
| 14:07.22 | sly007 | jelly-home: does't it already exist ? |
| 14:07.38 | abrotman | no |
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| 14:07.58 | sly007 | wait, i run roundcube webmail from backports |
| 14:08.09 | sly007 | doesnt update && dist-upgrade update it? |
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| 14:08.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: hm! |
| 14:08.49 | abrotman | sly007: when you make your own backport |
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| 14:09.26 | scifi | stew: cud u take a look - http://pastebin.com/m397b898e I find manuals too complicated |
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| 14:09.37 | kexman | any postfix admins around here ? |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | in #postfix |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | scifi: COULD |
| 14:10.04 | scifi | lol sorry |
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| 14:10.55 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: what country are you in ? |
| 14:11.25 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, bosnia |
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| 14:11.52 | octoserver | cool |
| 14:12.06 | AbsintheSyringe | yea I guess :) |
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| 14:12.32 | jelly-home | .cu is the cool internet capable country these days, .ba is passe! |
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| 14:15.40 | octoserver | AbsintheSyringe: you are close to spain then ? |
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| 14:16.45 | jelly-home | octoserver: that's pretty much the other end of the continent |
| 14:17.02 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, yep |
| 14:17.21 | jelly-home | for some values of "close" |
| 14:17.32 | scifi | stew: omg it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just added wireless-essidname and wireless-wpapassphrase rebooted and it worked!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 14:17.45 | jelly-home | !win scifi |
| 14:17.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, scifi! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:17.48 | jelly-home | !!!!! |
| 14:17.48 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 14:18.00 | scifi | stew: ty very much |
| 14:18.13 | AbsintheSyringe | octoserver, I could easily just jump on the bus and go to spain |
| 14:18.19 | DeadPanda | wasn't that in one of the three with novels? (the opera one?) |
| 14:18.22 | DeadPanda | *witch |
| 14:18.34 | scifi | well after the night of frustrations i had i probly DO have a diseased mind now :) |
| 14:18.47 | octoserver | lol |
| 14:18.53 | DeadPanda | Oh, so it was Eric :) |
| 14:19.29 | jelly-home | DeadPanda: there's a similar quote in at least three discworld novels |
| 14:19.37 | scifi | stew doesnt want to come and take the credit, so modest :) |
| 14:19.49 | Kovensky | how can I boot with nvidiafb? |
| 14:20.00 | AbsintheSyringe | jelly-home, and what about .ba is a passe, didn't get that one :) |
| 14:20.01 | Kovensky | if I pass 'video=nvidiafb:1280x1024' it doesn't work |
| 14:20.11 | jelly-home | AbsintheSyringe: it being on the interwebs |
| 14:20.20 | Kovensky | if I just modprobe after booting, I get a 80x30 |
| 14:20.26 | DeadPanda | jelly-home, I was thinking of "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.' -- in Maskerade" :) |
| 14:21.29 | jelly-home | DeadPanda: I've only read in The Reaper Man |
| 14:21.32 | jelly-home | it* |
| 14:21.46 | jelly-home | hm |
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| 14:22.53 | scifi | is there a gui in debian for mounting partitions? |
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| 14:25.49 | jelly-home | wow, there's a kfreebsd-amd64 arch |
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| 14:27.00 | octoserver | scifi: kdiskfree ? |
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| 14:28.27 | octoserver | scifi: or kwikdisk |
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| 14:29.18 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 14:29.18 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 14:33.07 | Kovensky | puts an (I know it is unsecure) "11:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/htop >/dev/tty11 2>/dev/tty11 </dev/tty11 |
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| 14:33.16 | Kovensky | puts that on his inittab =p |
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| 14:35.25 | werwolf | I want to know, why is there this nice spiral in the logo :) |
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| 14:37.14 | jelly-home | werwolf: because someone played with a photoshop effect! (Or it might have been a gimp effect) |
| 14:37.28 | jelly-home | !debian log |
| 14:37.34 | jelly-home | arghh |
| 14:37.37 | jelly-home | !debian logo |
| 14:37.38 | dpkg | somebody said debian logo was the sweetest logo ever |
| 14:37.49 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 14:37.49 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 14:39.32 | scifi | any ideas why epiphany wont import my bookmarks.html but iceweasel will??? |
| 14:40.11 | asg | werwolf: http://www.debian.org/News/1999/19990826 |
| 14:42.14 | dbmoodb | scifi: from ? |
| 14:42.21 | dbmoodb | ah what is the next debian to be called |
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| 14:42.35 | dbmoodb | we have lenny what's after lenny.. picked yet ? |
| 14:42.37 | asg | dbmoodb: squeeze |
| 14:42.37 | scifi | dbmoodb: firefox |
| 14:42.57 | dbmoodb | asg: for real ? |
| 14:43.01 | asg | dbmoodb: yes |
| 14:43.25 | asg | !squeeze |
| 14:43.25 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 14:43.51 | pngwn | I thought they were LGM not squeezes ;) |
| 14:45.12 | asg | it's the extra eye that makes the difference |
| 14:45.25 | pngwn | heh |
| 14:45.27 | dbmoodb | ah and when will debian be announcing that it cannot possibly make the september the 15th lenny release date-- or does that not happen ? |
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| 14:46.25 | oobe | dbmoodb, is lenny shit |
| 14:47.08 | dbmoodb | what ? |
| 14:47.17 | dbmoodb | no. its not shit why whould it be shit ?.... |
| 14:47.39 | dbmoodb | debian has a zero release critical bug release policy |
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| 14:48.17 | oobe | oh |
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| 14:48.45 | jelly-home | exsqueeze me |
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| 14:57.41 | dbmoodb | hi ah anyone know where i can get shared / other cheap debian hosting ? |
| 14:58.33 | asg | dbmoodb: dreamhost.com provides debian hosting and is pretty cheap |
| 14:58.48 | dbmoodb | asg: they are not that reliable. |
| 14:59.09 | asg | dbmoodb: never had an issue with them other than the billing snafu in January |
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| 15:00.16 | dbmoodb | their ssl certification is odd. |
| 15:01.44 | dbmoodb | asg: yeah i am with them atm for some stuff. its a debian sarge 2.4 kernel shared host tho.... that doesn't have security support does it ? |
| 15:02.05 | jelly-home | definitely not any more |
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| 15:03.03 | nkuttler | dbmoodb: um, can't you just upgrade your box? |
| 15:03.07 | nowec| | How can I add parameters to the command I want to execute with the start-stop-daemon ? |
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| 15:03.49 | asg | nkuttler: it's a shared instance in most cases using a grsec kernel to prevent visibility into other peoples' processes. |
| 15:04.47 | dbmoodb | nkuttler: its shared hosting. its not mine. |
| 15:06.10 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: tell your provider to "upgrade ffs" or transfer you to an etch installation? |
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| 15:06.44 | nkuttler | as long as the current stable works with your 2.4 kernel... |
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| 15:07.10 | nkuttler | dbmoodb: and it would be kind of dumb if they don't provide an upgrade path |
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| 15:22.33 | earthian | Hello, i cant run `ip route add blablabla`. it shows that the ip command is not found. wtf? |
| 15:22.50 | earthian | i'm running freshly installed etch |
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| 15:25.36 | hoxu | !tell earthian about search |
| 15:25.37 | hoxu | earthian, aptitude install iproute |
| 15:25.49 | spanther | earthian trace :) |
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| 15:28.11 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 15:28.12 | nowec| | what should I write to start "svnserve -d -r /repo/path" with start-stop-daemon, and having it run as user svn with group svn? |
| 15:28.24 | earthian | its just very weird that its not here by default :) |
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| 15:28.31 | earthian | damn ubuntu has spoiled me :P |
| 15:28.51 | me | hi all |
| 15:29.00 | earthian | hello you :p |
| 15:29.06 | me | I have a problem installing ubuntu from qtopia, anybody could help me please? |
| 15:29.12 | me | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 15:29.20 | earthian | me, whats the problem? |
| 15:29.43 | me | *sorry, installin debian, not ubuntu :D |
| 15:29.56 | me | I get this error: E: Qtopia wants to continually access /media/card. You need to |
| 15:29.57 | me | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.22 | me | but when type "killall qpe", then qpe restart automatically... and I can't access the sd card |
| 15:31.04 | wols_ | me: we do not support ubuntu |
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| 15:31.37 | spanther | how long until 5.0 is out? :) |
| 15:31.48 | wols_ | !tell spanther about wwlr |
| 15:31.59 | me | sorry, I mean debian, I typed ubuntu for error |
| 15:32.14 | wols_ | nice try |
| 15:32.35 | spanther | wols_ ah okay :) since 4.0 wont run fine with my thinkpad but lenny does so i just wanted to know hehe :) |
| 15:32.45 | me | I can't umount the sd card to instal debian on it! |
| 15:32.56 | wols_ | spanther: define "won't run fine" |
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| 15:33.35 | me | anybody could help me? :( |
| 15:33.42 | spanther | wols_ well for real i cant remember the bugs i had :( but i had some issues so i couldnt run it fine :/ |
| 15:33.46 | wols_ | me: this is not a debian problem |
| 15:33.49 | spanther | i have to try it again to tell you hehe |
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| 15:46.14 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:46.14 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
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| 15:46.41 | liable | *groan* |
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| 16:01.08 | dread | I just reinstalled lenny, and now after I select the kernel from grub, I get to 'uncompressing linux, loading please wait' and then my system hangs..any one know how to fix this? |
| 16:01.52 | dudeman | so |
| 16:01.56 | dudeman | that sucks man |
| 16:02.17 | dudeman | my backspace it is not working in irssi in konsole, but my backspace works everywhere else in konsole and elsewhere |
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| 16:09.28 | varney | hi i need some help with my debian vps network interface, i'm unsure if it correct as i have set up an apache vhost and it acts like apache isn't running even tho it is |
| 16:09.29 | varney | http://paste-it.net/public/p57c074/ |
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| 16:10.46 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 16:11.04 | abrotman | varney: what makes you think that is correct? |
| 16:11.40 | nowec| | what should I write to start "svnserve -d -r /repo/path" with start-stop-daemon, and having it run as user svn with group svn? |
| 16:12.19 | varney | abrotman: i don't know if it is, that's the problem |
| 16:12.34 | varney | oh it seems to be working now, apache had a config error even tho it started b4 wtf |
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| 16:12.44 | varney | it's a vps abrotman |
| 16:12.56 | varney | i wouldn't know if the config there is correct |
| 16:12.59 | stevedondley | anyone here have experience running virtual private servers on debian? |
| 16:13.05 | varney | as webmin created it, but it seems to be working now lol |
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| 16:13.30 | stevedondley | I run shared servers and wondering if there might be an advantage for me and my clients moving to virtual servers |
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| 16:14.03 | varney | abrotman: id be interested to know why you think it isn't correct?? |
| 16:14.22 | abrotman | you normally dont' have to configure your loopback like that |
| 16:14.26 | freeNag | would you recomend debia for online banking? |
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| 16:14.52 | varney | ah well i let webmin do the job, that's probably why it looks a bit screwed |
| 16:15.55 | freeNag | would you recomend debian for online banking? |
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| 16:16.27 | dudeman | backspace backspace backspace |
| 16:16.34 | dudeman | c'mon people hook me up! |
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| 16:17.16 | freeNag | would you recomend debian for online banking? |
| 16:17.34 | dudeman | nsure |
| 16:17.36 | dudeman | I do it all the time |
| 16:17.44 | dudeman | you mean like use a debian box to check yoru bank onllnie? |
| 16:17.53 | dudeman | or like setup a bank online!?? |
| 16:18.02 | hoxu | !tell freeNag about repeat |
| 16:18.12 | dudeman | hoxu, hey thanks for the help last night |
| 16:18.21 | dudeman | hoxu, I got drunk n pissed n left, but yeh man it still doesn't work |
| 16:18.24 | dudeman | :) |
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| 16:18.33 | freeNag | !tell hoxu about opening windowsa |
| 16:18.39 | freeNag | !tell hoxu about opening windows |
| 16:18.43 | dudeman | freeNag, ? |
| 16:18.49 | hoxu | freeNag, stop it |
| 16:18.55 | freeNag | fuck you |
| 16:19.00 | dudeman | hey |
| 16:19.01 | dudeman | be nice |
| 16:19.05 | basix | ban freeNag please |
| 16:19.09 | dudeman | you really shouldn't have repeated |
| 16:19.13 | dudeman | basix, no need. |
| 16:19.18 | freeNag | be nice suck my dick |
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| 16:19.23 | dudeman | freeNag, be calm and ask your question nicely... |
| 16:19.24 | hoxu | !ops freeNag |
| 16:19.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: freeNag |
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| 16:19.28 | dudeman | hey, I tried. |
| 16:19.34 | dudeman | fuck him. |
| 16:19.44 | dudeman | hoxu, any other ideas about the backspace key? |
| 16:20.01 | dudeman | btw, my home/end/page up/down also don't work in irssi |
| 16:20.07 | dudeman | oh nm they do now |
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| 16:20.29 | hoxu | dudeman, apart from typing "/bind backspace backspace", not really |
| 16:20.31 | abrotman | freeNag: stop being a pain in the neck .. |
| 16:20.47 | freeNag | abrotman: go have a missed carrieged |
| 16:20.48 | abrotman | freeNag: your question is a bit vague .. are you hosting or visiting the banking site? |
| 16:20.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 16:20.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.138.144.10] by abrotman |
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| 16:21.09 | abrotman | freeNag: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being abusive |
| 16:21.41 | dudeman | backspace send 22, delete sends 127 |
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| 16:22.05 | dudeman | they seem to be right. Now do I need to xmodmap maybe to make backspace send 127 |
| 16:22.08 | dudeman | or whatever |
| 16:22.34 | vlt | Hello. Is there a tool for testing if a DHCP server is working in my network? I don't want to change my own network settings so I think I can't run `dhclient`. Any idea? |
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| 16:23.51 | dudeman | bah i gotta go to rahul's house anyway I guess I'll try to figure it out from there |
| 16:23.57 | dudeman | see if can get this damn key to work properly |
| 16:24.07 | dudeman | fuckin pissin me off ! |
| 16:24.28 | hoxu | dudeman, does it work in irssi of another, newly created user? |
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| 16:24.39 | dudeman | oh never tested |
| 16:24.44 | dudeman | I could try that sure |
| 16:24.57 | dudeman | but for now laundry time, and going to the city time |
| 16:25.03 | dudeman | I'll bug ya later buddy peace |
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| 16:26.23 | liable | why does icedoves spam filter work so much better than spamassasin? spamassasin gets fed all the junk, it doesnt seem to learn.. |
| 16:26.32 | tview | whats the name of the utility (gnome) to check a url route? (e.g graphical trace route) |
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| 16:26.45 | Maulkin | mtr |
| 16:27.06 | tview | mtr is console |
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| 16:28.19 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:28.42 | tview | ok. its gnome-nettool and, surprise, it did not install a menu icon properly. *!*"Ã*. |
| 16:28.58 | rahul | dudeman: you leaving now? |
| 16:29.02 | rahul | oh, laundry first |
| 16:29.04 | dudeman | not right now |
| 16:29.06 | dudeman | yeh laundry |
| 16:29.07 | rahul | ok |
| 16:29.08 | rahul | cool |
| 16:29.16 | dudeman | then yeh i got some nice green buds too for tonight |
| 16:29.19 | nkuttler | liable: sa works fine for me. if a spam passes through i pipe it through sa-learn. |
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| 16:29.23 | rahul | awesome |
| 16:29.26 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@85.138.144.10] by abrotman |
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| 16:29.36 | dudeman | later |
| 16:29.53 | rahul | yep, gimme a call before you leave the house |
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| 16:30.14 | abrotman | glad to see nyle is back to his old form |
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| 16:30.20 | liable | nkuttler: all my spam gets sent back to be learned, but it misses the majority. i must be doing something wrong i guess |
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| 16:30.34 | livingdaylight | hi |
| 16:31.00 | livingdaylight | i'm looking for Debian ppc, can someone help/point me in the right direction? |
| 16:31.15 | tview | liable: I tried spamassassin too with procmail and gnus and it caught about one in a million spam messages. |
| 16:31.32 | abrotman | !tell livingdaylight about ppc |
| 16:31.36 | livingdaylight | My neighbour has acquired a Mac G3 with 128mb ram and 9gb hard drive and given me the green light to try and revive it |
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| 16:32.24 | livingdaylight | and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. LOL |
| 16:32.51 | abrotman | that's why Apple dropped it :) |
| 16:32.55 | dudeman | abrotman, not at all |
| 16:33.17 | dudeman | planning this concert since march since my bday, and i have not smoked since then, and tonight is concert night, first time, no im not back to my habit thank you |
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| 16:33.24 | dudeman | anyway |
| 16:33.28 | dudeman | blah blah blah... |
| 16:33.48 | abrotman | yeah .. back to old form |
| 16:33.53 | dudeman | uhuh |
| 16:34.04 | dudeman | you can feel to fornicate yourself with a wooden cooking spoon |
| 16:34.09 | abrotman | sitting in #d .. talking to your enablers .. sharing your drug problems with the world .. |
| 16:34.10 | dudeman | take 'er easy |
| 16:34.11 | abrotman | old form |
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| 16:35.14 | Quibus | hi, I suddenly get a BADSIG for the archive signing key (4.0/etch) |
| 16:35.23 | Quibus | something I need to worry about? |
| 16:35.31 | liable | dont mention cheesesteak |
| 16:35.33 | abrotman | Quibus: you can try another mirror .. might be a bad sync |
| 16:35.50 | Quibus | abrotman: k, thanks |
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| 16:36.59 | John0321 | how do i check if a package is installed from command line? |
| 16:37.14 | Quibus | dpkg -l | grep -i name |
| 16:37.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -i name |
| 16:37.22 | Quibus | arf :-) |
| 16:37.31 | John0321 | thanks |
| 16:37.58 | nabax | lol i love this bot |
| 16:38.00 | Quibus | as package names are lower case only, you can also leave out the -i |
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| 16:38.13 | Quibus | dpkg -l alsa |
| 16:38.13 | dpkg | ii alsa 2.8-13.3 quibus's private gamp collection |
| 16:38.17 | jester45 | thats what i was going to say |
| 16:38.17 | Quibus | geh |
| 16:38.34 | abrotman | or you can just .. `dpkg -l pkgname` |
| 16:39.06 | jester45 | once again a un needed useage of | |
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| 16:39.14 | reber | hi. I have moved a partition /dev/hda1 -> /dev/hda2. Where does debian store the information that the system is installed on hda1 ? I need that because every time grub upgrades, it replaces hda2 by hda1 everywhere. Any idea ? |
| 16:39.26 | jester45 | but i still think the worst is cat | grep |
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| 16:39.49 | stew | reber: edit the # groot= and # kopt= lines in menu.lst and run "update-grub" |
| 16:39.51 | Kovensky | reber: /boot/grub/menu.lst; search for 'kopt=' |
| 16:40.25 | Quibus | I guess I'm too used to grep |
| 16:40.26 | reber | i do, stew, Kovensky. Thanks |
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| 16:41.32 | jester45 | can the entropy buffer be increased |
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| 16:42.15 | jester45 | im allways running out of entropy |
| 16:42.30 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 16:44.20 | abrotman | jester45: do more stuff? |
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| 16:45.06 | jester45 | so i guess i should put a mouse on my dog and have it run around abit |
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| 16:45.52 | abrotman | yes .. that'll work :) |
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| 16:46.48 | jester45 | hehe nfs shared /dev/random |
| 16:46.58 | octoserver2 | heyguys, i am at circuit city right now lol, what is a good webcam that works in debian ? |
| 16:47.06 | jester45 | that would be strange |
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| 16:48.46 | octoserver2 | isnt there a logitech one(webcam ) that works really good in Linux |
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| 16:49.52 | elik | wow... another kernel update |
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| 16:50.27 | Kovensky | goes take a look at that kernel update |
| 16:50.30 | octoserver2 | abrotman: is my text getting through ? |
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| 16:50.50 | abrotman | no |
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| 16:51.11 | octoserver2 | ok lol |
| 16:51.15 | elik | On this machine, (Lenny), I installed nvidia drivers, but everytime a kernel is shipped, I have to do a m-a update and such. Is that only because the nvidia driver is not in lenny? Or I'm missing something |
| 16:51.29 | wad | I just ran 'mkfs -t ext3' on the wrong partition. |
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| 16:51.36 | elik | Cause it's always shoking me when I restart and X won't come up cause the kernel didn't load the nvidia driver |
| 16:51.37 | wad | Is there any recovery possible? |
| 16:52.22 | Kovensky | wants CONFIG_SATA_SIS |
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| 16:52.33 | dudeman | ubuntu features something called DKMS some dynamic kernel module thing but in debian I've always found I've had to also redo the module when upgrading a kernel |
| 16:52.44 | dudeman | elik, ^^ |
| 16:52.50 | elik | yup yup dudeman |
| 16:52.50 | Kovensky | NEEDS SATA_SIS |
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| 16:53.07 | dudeman | I use fglrx, you use nvidia, but we both go through the same thing |
| 16:53.28 | elik | hum, annoying... anyway |
| 16:53.36 | elik | just gotta make sure I don't forget |
| 16:53.36 | dudeman | it does not bother me that much though, since I don't upgrade my kernel that much |
| 16:53.46 | dudeman | elik, I just don't run X or any DM on startup |
| 16:53.47 | elik | you are on? Lenny |
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| 16:54.01 | dudeman | elik, I simply (yes lenny) just boot to cli and thats it |
| 16:54.09 | dudeman | I can update module or stratx, whatever |
| 16:54.20 | Kovensky | I'm still stuck at 2.6.22 because of that stupid SATA_SIS removal ¬¬ |
| 16:54.47 | elik | a recent update fixed something with my mobo, so I'm happy |
| 16:54.51 | dudeman | you could go to #ubuntu |
| 16:54.56 | elik | Some slow to answer stuff |
| 16:55.01 | dudeman | ask them how they do it |
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| 16:55.30 | dudeman | last ubuntu I used was 7.04 and it auto updated kernel modules on kernel upgrade |
| 16:55.43 | dudeman | but debian never did it for me so dunno man, go look into it |
| 16:55.56 | elik | well, I'm pretty sure debian would too, if my nvidia package didn't come from sid |
| 16:56.14 | dudeman | I have a sid laptop, but I desktop with lenny |
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| 16:56.39 | elik | sid is a bit too much on the edge for me :) |
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| 16:56.53 | dudeman | I'm just waiting for radeonhd to become stableler |
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| 16:57.12 | dudeman | after which I don't have to worry about this stupid problem anymore and/or use any prop. drivers like fglrx |
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| 16:58.07 | dudeman | I used to like nvidia but since ati opened up some specs and work is underway on 3d oss drivers I like them more |
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| 16:59.07 | dudeman | I tried radeonhd, it tried to give me stuck pixels on my lcd, I tried fglrx it totally screwed up my monitor, I tried radeon driver and it worked like a charm, only 3d support is horrible right now |
| 16:59.23 | elik | well... has been doing nice drivers for linux for a while... sure they are not open... but I don't care that much |
| 16:59.26 | livingdaylight | Branden Robinson's Installing Debian 3.0 onto an Apple iBook the link gives me a 404 error |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | i'm sure it does |
| 16:59.37 | abrotman | and it's old |
| 17:00.10 | elik | Debian 3.0... is that potato? |
| 17:00.10 | dudeman | sarge |
| 17:00.10 | Kovensky | woody |
| 17:00.16 | dudeman | uhmmm what? |
| 17:00.18 | Kovensky | sarge is woody+1 |
| 17:00.24 | dudeman | ??? |
| 17:00.26 | Kovensky | 3.0 is woody, IIRC |
| 17:00.31 | dudeman | !release history |
| 17:00.31 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. Squeeze comes after Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 17:00.52 | livingdaylight | is there a good recent howto for installing debian ppc on an iBook G3? |
| 17:00.52 | dudeman | hm.. you are right |
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| 17:01.06 | dudeman | livingdaylight, the debian install guide |
| 17:01.11 | dudeman | livingdaylight, consult also with #debianppc |
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| 17:01.21 | dudeman | livingdaylight, here and on irc.debian.net or something |
| 17:01.36 | Alex1 | hey guys... may somebody help me out here please? |
| 17:01.42 | abrotman | !tell livingdaylight about laptop |
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| 17:01.46 | dudeman | Alex1, ask |
| 17:02.05 | erver2 | can anyone suggest a webcam that works ? |
| 17:02.08 | spq | i have 10 servers and want to use resources(resource=a block device or only a part of a filesystem or something) from each of these servers(each resource is only active used on one server) the resources should be backed up by min. 2 other servers - is there a solution available for this? |
| 17:02.13 | dudeman | logitech quickcam |
| 17:02.20 | dudeman | fairly decent suppor ton linux |
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| 17:02.52 | erver2 | dudeman: any one of the quickcams ? |
| 17:02.56 | dudeman | express |
| 17:03.02 | dudeman | or pro |
| 17:03.06 | Alex1 | dudeman: I need squid with transparent proxy and control by user... can you help me? |
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| 17:03.27 | dudeman | #squid.. install squid, man squid, nano /etc/squid/squid.conf |
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| 17:03.43 | Kovensky | dudeman: kill nano with fire |
| 17:03.50 | dudeman | well commented files.. transprent proxy is not hard.. read gogle onlin tuts |
| 17:04.13 | denon | have you guys seen anything weird with debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso not booting properly? |
| 17:04.15 | dudeman | Kovensky, nano is ok, and is the debian default editor |
| 17:04.29 | Alex1 | dudeman: I see... but... as you guys know.. through squid.conf I can not get transparent proxy and access control by user right? |
| 17:04.30 | denon | it's odd, vmware boots it .. and this server will boot other OS discs .. just not this one |
| 17:04.32 | dudeman | denon, depends on your hardware... |
| 17:04.38 | Kovensky | dudeman: no, vim is the tr00 editor :) |
| 17:04.41 | denon | Ive burned it twice, assuming it was crap media or something |
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| 17:04.44 | dudeman | denon, vmware is NOt supported here |
| 17:04.46 | dudeman | denon, #vmware |
| 17:04.54 | denon | dudeman: I just tested the iso with vmware .. |
| 17:04.54 | Kovensky | dudeman: my first command inside a new debian installation: "su -c 'apt-get install sudo screen irssi vim'" |
| 17:04.58 | denon | I'm not actually using it |
| 17:05.02 | denon | it's on some dell xeon |
| 17:05.10 | dudeman | then perhaps you should test in an actual system. |
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| 17:05.17 | denon | dudeman: please re-read what I said |
| 17:05.30 | Alex1 | dudeman: ?? |
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| 17:05.54 | dudeman | Alex1, im not an expert on it, I told you to go to #squid which is full of squid guys |
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| 17:06.08 | Alex1 | dudeman: thanks man |
| 17:06.13 | dudeman | denon, and which one are you using? |
| 17:07.06 | denon | denon: some dell xeon |
| 17:07.09 | dudeman | vmware or an actual system? |
| 17:07.19 | dudeman | so it boots inside vmware but not in the system? |
| 17:07.34 | denon | I was just using vmware to test the iso before I bother to burn a 3rd cisc |
| 17:07.35 | denon | disc |
| 17:07.39 | denon | I'm using an actual system |
| 17:07.43 | jester45 | hehe |
| 17:07.52 | denon | pretend vmware doesnt exist |
| 17:08.00 | dudeman | ok |
| 17:08.03 | jester45 | why not md5sum the iso.... seems to be faster |
| 17:08.15 | dudeman | which motherboard is it? are you sure that your hw is supported ? |
| 17:08.15 | jester45 | or md5 the disc after burning |
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| 17:08.35 | dudeman | where does it error, does it not boot? blank screen? boot error? bios error? |
| 17:08.42 | denon | just doesnt even try to boot it |
| 17:08.43 | dudeman | pleae provide more info |
| 17:08.49 | denon | like it's not a bootable disc |
| 17:08.53 | dudeman | does it boot other cds |
| 17:08.59 | denon | yes, I already said that :) |
| 17:09.00 | dudeman | can you test this cd in another system? |
| 17:09.07 | dudeman | (the debian cd) |
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| 17:09.14 | denon | ok, so there are no known issues .. |
| 17:09.22 | denon | thanks for your time, I can troubleshoot basics |
| 17:09.24 | dudeman | not that I am aware of |
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| 17:09.44 | dudeman | you might wish to check the errata on debian 4.04 |
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| 17:11.41 | dudeman | rahul, ping, pick up phone asshole |
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| 17:12.09 | John0321 | im trying to execute gksudo using php's shell_exec but its not appearing any ideas why, i have to get it to run on the right tty or something? |
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| 17:12.39 | stew | dudeman: please take this elsewhere |
| 17:13.26 | gentlyninja | is there a firefox2 or iceweasel 2 package for testing/lenny? i have version 3.0 and wanna downgrade |
| 17:13.53 | stew | gentlyninja: debian only offers version 3 for lenny |
| 17:14.02 | pred2k5 | hi, Im trying to boot clonezilla live cd via pxe, get the following error: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs) , any idea? |
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| 17:17.17 | abrotman | what is clonezilla? |
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| 17:18.37 | Demosthenes | i thought i pinned my kernel, but dist-upgrade just upgraded it again. is http://pastebin.com/m41a5aebc not sufficient? |
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| 17:19.53 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, for the udev rule I want to add for the usb device holding a hard drive (I want to change permissions only) - I create a file in /etc/udev/ and select something like KERNEL==""sd?1", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{model}=="model info here", GROUP="disk" ?? |
| 17:20.01 | abrotman | Demosthenes: there is no .24 kernel in debian anymore |
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| 17:20.53 | Kovensky | needs CONFIG_SATA_SIS={y,m} on 2.6.26 |
| 17:21.46 | Demosthenes | abrotman: sure, but i was trying to keep my old kernel because every time the kernel changes it foobars vmware. it isn't out of the box compatible with newer kernels |
| 17:21.55 | dmoerner | Kovensky: did you file a bug report? |
| 17:21.57 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i pinned it so it wouldn't upgrade. |
| 17:22.01 | Demosthenes | ideally. |
| 17:22.12 | abrotman | Demosthenes: but then you have no security support |
| 17:22.17 | Kovensky | dmoerner: nope, no usable browser |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | what's the browser for? |
| 17:22.32 | dmoerner | Kovensky: you just need reportbug |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | !tell Kovensky about reportbug |
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| 17:23.13 | Demosthenes | abrotman: what of it? if the kernel is not compatible with vmware, i'm screwed. |
| 17:23.19 | juan | hola amigos. hay alguien que entienda español y que me pueda ayudar? |
| 17:23.27 | abrotman | Demosthenes: it's not compatible at all? |
| 17:23.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:23.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:23.38 | juan | neceok, gracias |
| 17:23.39 | segfault- | hi there |
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| 17:23.57 | abrotman | Demosthenes: you could remove the kernel metapackage |
| 17:23.58 | Demosthenes | abrotman: since i just got upgraded to 2.6.26, i have to go upgrade vmware, download patches for their modules from unreliable sources, patch and reinstall |
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| 17:24.25 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i did this a few months ago when i got bumped to 2.6.25 |
| 17:24.29 | Kovensky | abrotman: no working MTA either :( |
| 17:24.36 | abrotman | Kovensky: you don't need one |
| 17:24.42 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i thought i broke it by runnign dist-upgrade -f, but it appears that its my pinning that didn't take |
| 17:24.44 | Kovensky | o_O |
| 17:24.51 | Kovensky | it said it creates mail on the manpage... |
| 17:24.57 | abrotman | it does |
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| 17:25.10 | abrotman | Demosthenes: you don't need to pin .. just remove the metapackage |
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| 17:25.36 | Demosthenes | abrotman: isn't that what pinning is for? i want to run version X of package Y, and no other, ever. |
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| 17:25.57 | abrotman | Demosthenes: but the kernel is getting upgraded because of your metapackage being installed |
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| 17:26.18 | Demosthenes | abrotman: and it doesn't follow the apt rules? |
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| 17:27.00 | abrotman | Demosthenes: dpkg -l linux-image* .. pastebin |
| 17:27.43 | Demosthenes | http://pastebin.com/d5eba293 |
| 17:27.48 | dmoerner | Kovensky: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496603#14 |
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| 17:28.50 | abrotman | Demosthenes: that's it ? |
| 17:29.23 | Demosthenes | abrotman: thats the output from dpkg |
| 17:29.33 | abrotman | Demosthenes: why don't you just remove the .25 and .26 kernels you don't want ? |
| 17:29.57 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i may do that, but my original question is still why did dist-upgrade upgrade the kernel when it was pinned? |
| 17:30.12 | Demosthenes | i may have typoed the pinning, but i thought it was right. |
| 17:30.16 | abrotman | it didn't .. it gave you an update for a package you already have installed |
| 17:30.20 | karlpinc | Demosthenes : What I do is put the kernel package on hold. Then it does not get upgraded until I unhold it. (But there's a bug in unhold, so you gotta "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-whatever+" put a + on the end to unhold.) |
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| 17:30.55 | Demosthenes | abrotman: priority 1001 means downgrade if needed in order to stay at that version |
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| 17:31.12 | Demosthenes | karlpinc: i thought i had it handled via pinning. |
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| 17:32.42 | Demosthenes | i had 2.6.25 working, because i'd had to go back and fix vmware before. |
| 17:32.48 | Demosthenes | i may just remove the newer kernel |
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| 17:33.00 | Demosthenes | that can fix the problem, but its a manual intervention |
| 17:33.10 | abrotman | so is pinning |
| 17:33.16 | Demosthenes | not at all. |
| 17:33.35 | Demosthenes | if i have puppet push around a preferences file, then i shouldn't have to follow up and monitor apt-get. |
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| 17:33.55 | Demosthenes | pinning is writing a config file to express rules apt should follow. |
| 17:34.07 | Demosthenes | running a command is manual, and non-reproducable. |
| 17:34.19 | Kovensky | dmoerner: so it has been reported already... now why wasn't it fixed by now? there has been a new kernel update since that report and the patch that fixes it. |
| 17:34.36 | claint | anyone tried getting nvidia work on a vserver guest? |
| 17:35.00 | Kovensky | and it breaks Debian for everyone with non-ahci sis sata controller |
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| 17:35.22 | abrotman | Kovensky: maybe it breaks something else? |
| 17:36.10 | abrotman | seems to even offer a solution |
| 17:36.11 | Kovensky | abrotman: what would it break? and if it broke something else, then why nobody stated that on that bugreport? or if they did, where? |
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| 17:36.20 | Kovensky | abrotman: yeah, it offers a solution |
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| 17:36.31 | Kovensky | that solution is to simply reenable CONFIG_SATA_SIS |
| 17:36.43 | abrotman | apparently you cannot read |
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| 17:37.08 | Kovensky | abrotman: I read quickly through it... where is it then? |
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| 17:38.23 | Kovensky | abrotman: as I read it, the conflict is with pata_sis, not with sata_sis |
| 17:38.49 | smacnay | Hi, I am attempting to back up pertinent home files to a puggable usb device. The pluggable hd (in a usb enclosure) is root rw access and I will most likely run the backup command as root. Is it just as easy to run a tar cvfj command on a file with a list of dir to backup or is there an automated tool or gui tool to be used. |
| 17:39.12 | smacnay | Is it wise to backup as root user? Or should the media be r/w by user as well? |
| 17:39.58 | webPragmatist | probably ok but i make a backup users |
| 17:40.02 | NeoIce | smacnay: if its read/write by user, couldnt a user read sensitive data or overwrite things? |
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| 17:40.27 | webPragmatist | oh home files |
| 17:40.28 | smacnay | NelsonFx, yes, that is my concern. So r/w as root makes more sense to me. |
| 17:40.53 | webPragmatist | backups should be w only by some sort of root or "backup user" |
| 17:40.55 | quitte_ | smacnay: not all files can be read by a user. how about ro mounting the media you want to back up if you want to be paranoid? |
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| 17:41.28 | butnuu | hi |
| 17:41.31 | smacnay | quitte_, yes, that is smart. s far as actually backing up... any recommednations? Software, etc.? |
| 17:41.49 | butnuu | anyone know how to activate wireless lan if its manual says fn+f1 would do that?? |
| 17:41.59 | quitte_ | smacnay: depends. what do you want? incremental backups? or just make an archive and be done? |
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| 17:42.26 | smacnay | quitte_, probably incremental that overwrite the previous... if that is at all proper. |
| 17:42.53 | quitte_ | smacnay so rotating a set of backups? |
| 17:43.03 | smacnay | quitte_, I wish to back up all mail, docs, settings, etc. from my HOME area |
| 17:43.29 | NeoIce | does anyone know if the BSDs can use a linux swap partition? |
| 17:43.30 | quitte_ | smacnay: I liked amanda except that it has an ugly limit: the data you want to backup may not be bigger than the medias you are backing up t |
| 17:43.31 | smacnay | quitte_, yes, backup 1 - 1 week later - backup 2 (with no need for 1 anymore, etc |
| 17:43.50 | smacnay | quitte_, I am backing up to a 12 gig hd in a usb case. |
| 17:44.29 | quitte_ | smacnay:1 medium is not enough for rotation. you need at least 3. |
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| 17:45.06 | smacnay | quitte_, with amanda or with any backup method? |
| 17:45.07 | quitte_ | smacnay: also when you are rotating you have to make a full backup once every rotation before you can do increments |
| 17:45.45 | quitte_ | smacnay: with any backup method. the medium may go bad and you might overwrite the only good backup if you rotate only 2 media |
| 17:46.21 | smacnay | quitte_, I see. |
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| 17:47.26 | quitte_ | smacnay: i heard bacula was good. but i can' tell you any reason |
| 17:47.45 | smacnay | quitte_, thanks for the help with this - I will look around |
| 17:47.47 | quitte_ | but from what you told me it sounds like just rotating tar archives should be enough |
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| 17:47.57 | smacnay | quitte_, yes, I agree. |
| 17:47.59 | quitte_ | ignoring increments |
| 17:48.06 | Demosthenes | smacnay: look at rsnapshot, i recommend it with an external drive |
| 17:50.19 | abrotman | rdiff-backup ? |
| 17:50.23 | wad | Has anyone ever recovered data after accidentally doing a "mkfs -t ext3" on the wrong partition? |
| 17:50.36 | Kovensky | wad: that is baaaad |
| 17:50.42 | Kovensky | never messed up that badly |
| 17:50.53 | Demosthenes | yeah, rsnapshot builds a hardlinked tree of incrementals. its quite nice |
| 17:50.56 | quitte_ | Kovensky: bad for you. it will happen |
| 17:51.11 | maligor | quitte_, not if you use graphical tools |
| 17:51.17 | quitte_ | HHAHAHA |
| 17:51.20 | quitte_ | good one |
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| 17:51.22 | Kovensky | quitte_: I already repartitioned the wrong lvm pv once |
| 17:51.28 | maligor | quitte_, well, it's more or less true |
| 17:51.30 | Kovensky | quitte_: but I managed to recover ;) |
| 17:51.37 | maligor | CLI tools have instant feedback |
| 17:51.50 | Demosthenes | so i've updated my pinning, and dist-upgrade still wants to upgrade the kernel. http://pastebin.com/m497e9940 |
| 17:51.55 | mbroeker | is there a public(read-only) git repository for linux-source-2.6.x ? |
| 17:52.18 | quitte_ | mbroeker: did you look on alioth? |
| 17:52.28 | mbroeker | quitte_, i will do... |
| 17:52.30 | abrotman | Demosthenes: show us the output of the aptitude |
| 17:53.27 | Demosthenes | http://pastebin.com/m65dd9e50 |
| 17:53.58 | Demosthenes | those are the same pacakges i hardcoded (eliminating wildcards) in preferences |
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| 17:54.14 | abrotman | aptitude remove linux-headers-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:54.58 | scgtrp | how can i automatically bring up my wireless interface on boot? |
| 17:55.12 | abrotman | !tell scgtrp about interfaces |
| 17:55.38 | Demosthenes | abrotman: so the generic was triggering it? |
| 17:55.51 | abrotman | i told you awhile ago your metapackage was doing it |
| 17:56.39 | Demosthenes | right, that didn't click. ;] |
| 17:56.54 | Demosthenes | why would a meta overrule pinning? that sounds like an oversight |
| 17:57.01 | Kovensky | do I have to build/install nvidia-glx myself? |
| 17:57.38 | scgtrp | abrotman: thanks. how do i pass it a wep key and essid? |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 17:57.39 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 17:57.46 | scgtrp | i see nothing in man 5 interfaces on that |
| 17:57.48 | abrotman | scgtrp: man interfaces .. it tells you |
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| 17:59.14 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i've read several of those, and unfortunatley most of the examples are over wildcards from different sources. perhaps i missed the intent, but if i pin something, apt should never override. i don't understand why a metapackage would overrule pinning |
| 17:59.28 | abrotman | it does override |
| 17:59.30 | Demosthenes | abrotman: if thats the case, thats one more inconsistency i've got to look out for with puppet. |
| 17:59.39 | Kovensky | !nvidia |
| 17:59.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:59.49 | abrotman | Demosthenes: you didn't even pin the right package AFAICT |
| 18:00.00 | Kovensky | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:00.00 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 18:01.40 | scgtrp | hm, my arrow keys have stopped working in my ttys... |
| 18:01.47 | Kovensky | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:01.48 | dpkg | nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:02.05 | abrotman | Kovensky: msg the bot alradt |
| 18:02.07 | abrotman | already |
| 18:02.11 | Kovensky | abrotman: lol |
| 18:02.16 | abrotman | not funny |
| 18:02.24 | Kovensky | abrotman: indeed |
| 18:02.26 | Demosthenes | abrotman: thats why i asked ;] |
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| 18:02.34 | smacnay | abrotman, rdiff-backup - I will look into that as well |
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| 18:03.18 | scgtrp | if i turn number lock off and hit 2,4,6,8 i can use those as arrow keys. but the normal ones aren't doing anything |
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| 18:04.16 | scgtrp | nor are home, page up, or page down |
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| 18:06.13 | ilf | need to kill Xorg. "killall -9 Xorg" doesn't work, "kill -9 <pid>" doesn't, ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't. any idea? |
| 18:07.02 | scgtrp | try forcing a segfault by kill -11 |
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| 18:07.09 | abrotman | it's "X" |
| 18:07.13 | scgtrp | ... or that. |
| 18:07.56 | ilf | X: no process killed |
| 18:08.05 | ilf | -11 doesn't do it either |
| 18:08.45 | scgtrp | does pgrep -l X print anything? |
| 18:08.54 | abrotman | ilf: ps aux | grep X |
| 18:08.55 | scgtrp | bah, anyone know why my arrow keys won't work right? |
| 18:09.02 | pred2k5 | add /exports/clonezilla *(ro,sync) /etc/exports |
| 18:09.11 | pred2k5 | can somebody translate that into debianish? |
| 18:09.46 | ilf | abrotman: shows xinit... and [Xorg], no X |
| 18:10.02 | Kovensky | kill xinit then |
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| 18:10.05 | Kovensky | Xorg will die with it |
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| 18:10.38 | ilf | "pgrep -l X" shows "<pid> Xorg" |
| 18:10.52 | Kovensky | ilf: kill that already |
| 18:10.59 | Kovensky | kill -9 <pid> |
| 18:11.17 | Kovensky | oh, kill -11 <pid> |
| 18:11.25 | ilf | dude, i've been trying that and it doesn't work |
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| 18:11.31 | Kovensky | try killin xinit too; remember that xinit is the parent |
| 18:11.31 | ilf | xinit is dead now, Xorg still running |
| 18:11.36 | Kovensky | hmm... |
| 18:11.41 | scgtrp | zombie process? |
| 18:11.42 | abrotman | ilf: what's the status of Xorg ? |
| 18:11.53 | ilf | abrotman: what do you mean by "status"? |
| 18:12.00 | abrotman | the letters in ps |
| 18:12.25 | Kovensky | guesses it is Z |
| 18:12.41 | scgtrp | ilf: ps aux |grep X |awk '{ print $8; }' |
| 18:12.53 | scgtrp | uhh, grep Xorg |
| 18:15.27 | scgtrp | anyone know what can cause my arrow keys to stop working? |
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| 18:16.56 | dooglus | what's the name of the package which tests a bunch of debian repositories and tells me which is fastest for me? |
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| 18:17.18 | dooglus | scgtrp: Guinness can do that in my experience |
| 18:17.19 | abrotman | !tell dooglus about apt-spy |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | and netselect-apt IIRC |
| 18:17.44 | scgtrp | dooglus: ? |
| 18:18.07 | dooglus | scgtrp: I once spilled a can of Guinness over my keyboard. It stopped the arrow keys working. |
| 18:18.24 | scgtrp | dooglus: i'm just running 3 ttys, one with apt running, one with irssi, and one with bash. the arrow keys don't work in any of them |
| 18:18.31 | scgtrp | ah. no liquids either :) |
| 18:18.47 | maligor | wrong keymap maybe |
| 18:18.55 | ilf | fuck, laptop died |
| 18:18.56 | ilf | root 31396 2.1 0.0 0 0 ? Rs Sep05 33:13 [Xorg] |
| 18:19.00 | ilf | Rs |
| 18:19.21 | scgtrp | maligor: pretty sure it's right, but how do i check? |
| 18:19.31 | lxsameer | all : how can i update from etch to lenny i have about 35 Gb etch and lenny repository on my hdd. |
| 18:19.36 | lxsameer | all : ^^^ |
| 18:19.40 | werwolf | have I to choose separete home while installation? |
| 18:19.45 | werwolf | is it better? |
| 18:19.47 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about etch->lenny |
| 18:19.58 | abrotman | werwolf: you don't have to .. and it might be easier not to for you |
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| 18:20.14 | ilf | abrotman: so what does Xorg status Rs say? |
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| 18:20.28 | werwolf | ok, abrotman I will get new hdd next week and install debian lenny |
| 18:20.42 | werwolf | I am collecting information |
| 18:20.56 | werwolf | May be I will need a bit help |
| 18:21.03 | rm | lxsameer, install an HTTP server and make a symlink from /var/www/debian to where you have that repository |
| 18:21.10 | lxsameer | all : how can i update from etch to lenny i have about 35 Gb etch and lenny repository on my hdd. |
| 18:21.11 | werwolf | I downloaded the DVD with lenny |
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| 18:21.23 | rm | lxsameer, from that point you will have your own debian full mirror, at http://localhost/debian/ |
| 18:21.27 | abrotman | says it's running |
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| 18:21.33 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about etch->lenny |
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| 18:22.07 | ilf | abrotman: any other idea how to kill it? |
| 18:22.14 | scgtrp | ilf: reboot? |
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| 18:22.22 | Aeroraptor | is there a CLI app that will let me monitor my network throughput, like kb/s in and out? |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | ilf: kill -1 ? |
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| 18:22.29 | Aeroraptor | I thought ntop did it but ntop is different |
| 18:22.31 | ilf | Aeroraptor: nload |
| 18:22.34 | abrotman | Aeroraptor: jnettop or iftop |
| 18:22.38 | Aeroraptor | k cool |
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| 18:23.05 | lxsameer | rm : ok , but what should i write to sources.list to use that repo? |
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| 18:23.13 | LoBlanc | hi |
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| 18:23.37 | rm | deb http://localhost/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 18:23.43 | ilf | aw fuckit, will reboot. thanks anyways |
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| 18:23.43 | LoBlanc | where can I download powerppc installation manual? |
| 18:23.48 | rm | remove the last two words if you don't have those sections |
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| 18:24.03 | lxsameer | rm: i have a debian folder that contain etch folder and lenny , |
| 18:24.13 | LoBlanc | anybody? |
| 18:24.22 | lxsameer | is there no problem for me to use both |
| 18:24.42 | rm | lxsameer, oops i meant deb http://localhost/debian/ lenny main |
| 18:24.53 | barbarconan | hi |
| 18:25.00 | LoBlanc | hello? |
| 18:25.04 | barbarconan | :) |
| 18:25.07 | rm | if you are upgrading to lenny, you should only use the lenny repo |
| 18:25.22 | barbarconan | i have a problem about my ipw 2200 card |
| 18:25.35 | barbarconan | anyone who has an experience with that? |
| 18:25.41 | lxsameer | can i use both , shall i need etch one later? |
| 18:25.58 | amphi | barbarconan: what problem? |
| 18:25.58 | rm | yes you can |
| 18:26.10 | barbarconan | no card |
| 18:26.13 | barbarconan | i cat see |
| 18:26.14 | barbarconan | ,:( |
| 18:26.18 | barbarconan | cant see |
| 18:26.20 | barbarconan | (: |
| 18:26.20 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 18:26.20 | dpkg | from memory, ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets (http://ipw2200.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, download from http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php (v3.0 for Etch and later Debian versions) and unextract to /lib/firmware. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. For Sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:26.35 | barbarconan | yes |
| 18:26.40 | LoBlanc | where can I download powerppc installation manual? |
| 18:26.42 | barbarconan | the problem starts now |
| 18:26.43 | barbarconan | :) |
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| 18:26.55 | barbarconan | download the firmware |
| 18:27.04 | dmoerner | LoBlanc: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ |
| 18:27.07 | abrotman | !tell LoBlanc about ig |
| 18:27.12 | barbarconan | patch the kernel |
| 18:27.14 | barbarconan | and |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | what? why? |
| 18:27.20 | amphi | barbarconan: eh? |
| 18:27.21 | barbarconan | kernel dont cares |
| 18:27.21 | barbarconan | :) |
| 18:27.22 | abrotman | you did it wrong |
| 18:27.22 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell barbarconan -about enter |
| 18:27.25 | barbarconan | no module |
| 18:27.25 | barbarconan | :) |
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| 18:28.02 | barbarconan | i found sth. about that |
| 18:28.05 | barbarconan | on google |
| 18:28.11 | barbarconan | but |
| 18:28.17 | abrotman | LAY OFF THE ENTER KEY |
| 18:28.17 | barbarconan | always something wrong |
| 18:28.21 | LoBlanc | is the same as this one?http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install.txt.en |
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| 18:28.44 | barbarconan | 1 sec |
| 18:28.44 | lxsameer | rm : what about pool directory? |
| 18:29.34 | dmoerner | LoBlanc: yes |
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| 18:29.38 | rm | lxsameer, under /debian/ i have dists/, pool/ and project/ |
| 18:29.59 | barbarconan | anyone who has a corract ways link? |
| 18:30.16 | lxsameer | rm : i have them to but what is pool |
| 18:30.18 | barbarconan | (: |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | !tell barbarconan about ipw2200 |
| 18:30.36 | rm | pool is where all the packages are kept |
| 18:30.44 | LoBlanc | dmoerner: thanks I could'n get to the one you gave me |
| 18:30.47 | barbarconan | dialog mixed |
| 18:30.52 | barbarconan | talso my mind |
| 18:30.53 | barbarconan | :) |
| 18:31.00 | barbarconan | talos=also |
| 18:31.21 | n3kl | barbarconan: you should listen to what people tell you! |
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| 18:31.45 | barbarconan | i listen |
| 18:31.50 | barbarconan | but the problem is |
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| 18:31.56 | n3kl | stop pressing enter so oftern |
| 18:31.57 | lxsameer | rm : and what is dists and project? |
| 18:31.59 | barbarconan | iti is not debian now |
| 18:32.01 | abrotman | barbarconan: stop hitting the damn enter key |
| 18:32.03 | barbarconan | not this computer |
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| 18:32.49 | rm | lxsameer, dists keeps list of which files are available in pool/, and project is some temporary dir, it seems |
| 18:34.05 | barbarconan | just searching any document tells correct way to compile and use my wireless card.Anyone who has or knows any link about that.The problem is just that.Not aymore or less |
| 18:34.08 | lxsameer | rm : hmmm thanks , so i sould add deb http://localhost/debian/ testing main non-free contrib , am i right? |
| 18:34.17 | rm | yes |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | !tell barbarconan about ipw2200 |
| 18:34.33 | werwolf | please give me a link to read about debian for beginners |
| 18:34.37 | rm | this will work if you have installed the http server and added the symlink properly |
| 18:34.40 | abrotman | !tell werwolf about grounding |
| 18:34.44 | lxsameer | rm : tanks alot man |
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| 18:36.14 | barbarconan | t no link? |
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| 18:37.06 | barbarconan | thanks anyway |
| 18:37.09 | barbarconan | :) |
| 18:37.20 | stew | barbarconan: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:37.20 | abrotman | oh jesus .. |
| 18:37.35 | Kovensky | in what package is "/usr/include/GL/glxint.h"? |
| 18:37.41 | pred2k5 | how to copy all files for example in /mount to /bla (without /mount directory) |
| 18:37.43 | n3kl | What is an http response 200? |
| 18:37.49 | Kovensky | n3kl: OK |
| 18:37.53 | abrotman | n3kl: google .. but OK |
| 18:37.57 | barbarconan | stew: i can tell this if i am on that computer and on debian but i am not |
| 18:38.08 | rvsjoen | Kovensky : x11proto-gl-dev |
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| 18:38.18 | abrotman | !tell Kovensky about search |
| 18:38.27 | barbarconan | so that is why i search about document instead of solution |
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| 18:38.36 | Kovensky | abrotman: apt-cache gave me nothing useful |
| 18:38.38 | dmoerner | pred2k5: cp -a /mount/{*,.*} /blah |
| 18:38.40 | stew | barbarconan: document for what? |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | Kovensky: read that factoid again .. |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | the whole thing |
| 18:38.51 | Kovensky | didn't know dpkg -S worked |
| 18:39.01 | abrotman | still not what i meant |
| 18:39.04 | Kovensky | and will install apt-file =p |
| 18:39.21 | barbarconan | stew: about ipw 2200 card or any wireless card that default debian dosn't supports that |
| 18:39.25 | pred2k5 | dwoener |
| 18:39.28 | pred2k5 | that doesnt work.. |
| 18:39.34 | dmoerner | pred2k5: why not? |
| 18:39.36 | pred2k5 | it copies the "mount" fodler too |
| 18:39.39 | rvsjoen | can aptitude do something similar to apt-cache policy ? |
| 18:39.44 | pred2k5 | I just want to copy all files in it |
| 18:39.59 | stew | barbarconan: why exactly do you need a document? what should be documented? |
| 18:40.11 | rvsjoen | cp -R /mount/* /blah ? |
| 18:40.39 | dmoerner | pred2k5: if you have .* files in /mount you will have to copy them over manually but cp -a /mount/* /blah will definitely work |
| 18:41.17 | barbarconan | stew: configuration and usage of that wireless card.Ä° found more in google but everybody tells different just for ipw2200.And anyone wroks.always i have faults |
| 18:41.22 | pred2k5 | ah ok you have to write * ;) |
| 18:41.23 | rav1 | hey ppl, anyone can tell me how to check the monitor colour depth? |
| 18:41.26 | pred2k5 | thought you can skip that |
| 18:41.28 | pred2k5 | thx and sorry |
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| 18:42.13 | dooglus | abrotman: apt-spy is what I was looking for, thanks |
| 18:42.32 | pred2k5 | it finally works yaeeehaw |
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| 18:42.56 | dooglus | I remember a debian package of the current GNU Emacs CVS tree called "emacs-snapshot" or similar. any idea what the real name is? |
| 18:43.19 | stew | barbarconan: install the wireless-tools package, then "man 7 wireless" and "man 5 interfaces" should document how to configure the card |
| 18:44.30 | barbarconan | stew: kernel has no default suppport.The main problem is this. |
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| 18:46.01 | stew | barbarconan: are you using a debian compiled kernel? |
| 18:46.53 | stew | barbarconan: debian provides kernels with built-in support for that card |
| 18:46.55 | barbarconan | stew: yes |
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| 18:48.01 | stew | barbarconan: what version of debian? |
| 18:48.15 | barbarconan | stew: pardus has no problem about usage of this card.Ubuntu supports but connection problems.Debian has any of this (: |
| 18:48.28 | stew | barbarconan: what? |
| 18:48.30 | barbarconan | rc3 i think |
| 18:48.37 | barbarconan | stable |
| 18:48.42 | barbarconan | 4.x |
| 18:48.54 | stew | !find ipw220.ko stable |
| 18:49.35 | barbarconan | yes it says it has but doesn't work |
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| 18:49.45 | stew | barbarconan: did you install firmware? |
| 18:50.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ipw220.ko' returned no results. |
| 18:50.14 | barbarconan | stew: no can't. |
| 18:50.18 | stew | barbarconan: why not? |
| 18:51.03 | stew | !find ipw2200.ko stable |
| 18:51.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipw2200.ko' (3 of 22): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-686. |
| 18:51.11 | barbarconan | stew:i said.Everybody tells a different way in google and any of them works so that is why i searc a correct document (: |
| 18:51.24 | stew | barbarconan: a different way to do what? |
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| 18:51.33 | stew | barbarconan: what is wrong with the instructions we are giving you? |
| 18:51.41 | barbarconan | stew:need to links now? |
| 18:51.57 | stew | barbarconan: what does that mean? |
| 18:52.11 | abrotman | he wants a document that tells him how |
| 18:52.17 | barbarconan | stew:u misunderstand.Not you. |
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| 18:52.32 | barbarconan | abrotman: oh.God sends you (((: |
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| 18:52.53 | abrotman | or comcast |
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| 18:53.51 | barbarconan | i need a document because i am not on debian now |
| 18:54.06 | n3kl | barbarconan: dood, come back when you are on debian |
| 18:54.38 | barbarconan | how can i come back on debian without a network connection?Can u tell me? (((: |
| 18:54.42 | stew | barbarconan: you need firmware from here: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php to be extracted to /lib/firmware |
| 18:54.59 | stew | barbarconan: is there some part of that you don't understand? |
| 18:55.09 | barbarconan | stew:how can i install it? |
| 18:55.30 | barbarconan | stew: any document that tells it correctly? |
| 18:55.35 | n3kl | barbarconan: perhaps you have more the one computer available to you? |
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| 18:55.45 | stew | barbarconan: it is a .tgz ; do you know how to extract files using tar? |
| 18:55.56 | barbarconan | that is just i want not more not less |
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| 18:55.59 | barbarconan | yes |
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| 18:56.03 | barbarconan | i know |
| 18:56.15 | stew | barbarconan: then you don't need a document. download the .tgz and extract the files to /lib/firmware |
| 18:56.36 | barbarconan | so it works then is it correct? |
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| 18:56.49 | stew | barbarconan: what? |
| 18:57.46 | barbarconan | stew: when i extracted the file is it works without doing anything?? |
| 18:58.29 | stew | barbarconan: then it works the next time you load the ipw2200 kernel module. 'dmesg' would tell you if this module is loading correctly |
| 18:59.11 | barbarconan | what about dmesg tells the different |
| 18:59.40 | n3kl | What happened to slocate in lenny? |
| 18:59.45 | stew | barbarconan: perhaps you should seek help in your native language. most of the things you are saying don't make sense |
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| 19:00.29 | barbarconan | if i found i choose this way.But anyone doesnt have an experience on it (: |
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| 19:00.48 | stew | barbarconan: i have experience with it |
| 19:01.17 | stew | or wait? what did that mean? "if i found i choose this way"? |
| 19:01.18 | barbarconan | tbut not in my native language (:That is why i am in here |
| 19:01.26 | barbarconan | bye the way thanks for the help |
| 19:01.27 | barbarconan | :) |
| 19:01.40 | stew | barbarconan: i don't konw what "dmesg tells the different" means |
| 19:02.26 | barbarconan | oh ok.what if dmesg tells for example the modele doesnt loaded correctly or anything different |
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| 19:02.45 | abrotman | n3kl: check the qa pages .. maybe removed |
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| 19:03.07 | allos_nerelin | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 19:03.08 | barbarconan | because it was told :) |
| 19:03.40 | abrotman | !b-e allos_nerelin |
| 19:03.41 | dpkg | allos_nerelin: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 19:04.02 | allos_nerelin | thanks |
| 19:04.04 | abrotman | n3kl: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/slocate.html |
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| 19:12.40 | barbarconan | anyway.Thanks for everybody :) |
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| 19:13.54 | allos_nerelin | abrotman |
| 19:13.54 | allos_nerelin | installed the essential and continues the error! |
| 19:15.06 | allos_nerelin | checking for C compiler default output file name... |
| 19:15.06 | allos_nerelin | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 19:15.17 | stinkyNygger | hi |
| 19:15.31 | stinkyNygger | what is the latest desktop cube/eye candy? xgl, beryl, compiz ? |
| 19:15.59 | stinkyNygger | i have celeron with 512MB sdram and PCI nvidia card |
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| 19:19.29 | wols_ | stinkyNygger: compiz-fusion |
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| 19:22.12 | abrotman | hylafax" |
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| 19:25.27 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 19:31.08 | Piper69 | howdy |
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| 19:31.30 | TopherBartos | hello |
| 19:31.42 | jpinx | abrotman: thanks - reading - looks a bit more than I need for light indivdual use. What about efax? |
| 19:33.08 | abrotman | don't know it |
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| 19:35.04 | Piper69 | First I had (IR) Internal Router "wireless Linksys" connected to Internet and wirelessly both my Debian and windows boxes were connected (192.168.1.x Network). |
| 19:35.05 | Piper69 | Then my ISP upgrade my DSL modem to (ER) DSL/Router/Wireless "Comtrend" by default it has 10.202.46.x Network. So I networked ER to IR using a straight cable from port1 on ER to Internet port on IR and I enabled DHCP. Here is a simplified picture of my current setup http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd3/ribrahim/NAT_Setup2.jpg |
| 19:35.07 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.23 | jpinx | abrotman: I am a bit confused - does hylafax work over an ethernet connection - it mentions "modems" and I am unsure if these are physical or virtual |
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| 19:38.34 | peterS | Piper69: you don't have channel interference I hope - what 802.11 channels are you using? |
| 19:39.05 | peterS | (I assume channel interference will not necessarily affect each wireless chip the same way - hence a possible difference between the windows box and the debian box) |
| 19:39.17 | abrotman | jpinx: it uses a modem to send faxes .. but you have hylafax clients to view/send faxes |
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| 19:40.25 | Piper69 | peterS: in which router? |
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| 19:40.44 | jpinx | abrotman - so I can use hylafax to fax images direct from my hdd and receive as images to view in imagviewer (or whatever)? |
| 19:40.49 | peterS | Piper69: both - the question matters in the sense that they could interfere with each other if the channels are too close together |
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| 19:42.09 | abrotman | jpinx: we use it at work .. it's a little box .. but the people that send/receive have a python hylafax client on their desktop .. pyla IIRC |
| 19:42.24 | haxi | how can I know what application is using the 8080 port? |
| 19:43.03 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 19:43.08 | abrotman | like i just told you in the other netowrk |
| 19:43.12 | haxi | ^^ |
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| 19:43.27 | peterS | haxi: that or sudo netstat -ntpl | grep 8080 |
| 19:43.28 | haxi | I can't figure howto use fuser, and for lsof, I don't find anything. |
| 19:43.35 | spanther | haxi lol what a cute nick xD |
| 19:43.41 | abrotman | haxi: man fuser |
| 19:43.45 | snitko | sshd help needed: how do I disable password promt, when I try to login using rsa key? |
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| 19:43.53 | J_P | hi all |
| 19:44.07 | peterS | haxi: (sudo is so you're running as root, only root has permission to see those process names) |
| 19:44.16 | Piper69 | peterS: i though of that too so i changed them IR is on 6 and ER on 11 |
| 19:44.20 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 8080 |
| 19:44.21 | xoz | haxi: netstat -plunt | grep 8080 |
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| 19:44.52 | OBcecado | snitko: PasswordAuthentication no |
| 19:44.55 | J_P | people, mey space keyboard in my notebook broken. Is possible to do a a other key on keyboard works as space. The Alt or shift or another ? |
| 19:45.01 | peterS | Piper69: right, ok. so now - on debian, does 'iwlist scan' see both ER and IR? |
| 19:45.01 | TopherBartos | Does anyone's laptop running Debian ever unexpectedly shutdown? |
| 19:45.20 | snitko | OBcecado: sshd config? |
| 19:45.22 | haxi | abrotman: -> 8080/tcp: 22323 -> ktorrent |
| 19:45.30 | OBcecado | in your sshd_config |
| 19:45.34 | streuner | TopherBartos: using unstable? |
| 19:45.47 | haxi | abrotman: thanks a lot! |
| 19:45.54 | snitko | OBcecado: thanks |
| 19:46.01 | streuner | TopherBartos: Did you look at the logs yet? |
| 19:46.05 | OBcecado | np |
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| 19:46.13 | J_P | any sugestion for my question ? |
| 19:46.20 | TopherBartos | streuner: nope. stable. The thing is, is that it only happens when I'm logged in. If I log off. it doesn't happen. |
| 19:46.24 | Piper69 | peterS: on Debian my wireless card is on eth0, give me a min because i have to go to the other end of the house to run the command |
| 19:46.25 | jpinx | abrotman - ok - not what's needed - I'm looking for a virtual solution |
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| 19:46.36 | abrotman | to send virtual faxes? |
| 19:46.41 | peterS | J_P: by default there's no easy way to generate a space. you can remap keys if you need to. |
| 19:46.59 | peterS | Piper69: why not just log into the laptop through the netwo--- oh. right. |
| 19:47.11 | J_P | peterS: how I remap ? |
| 19:47.13 | xoz | J_P: xmodmap |
| 19:47.23 | xoz | J_P: keymaps |
| 19:47.30 | werwolf | have I to choose ext2 or ext3 ? whats the difference? |
| 19:47.31 | jpinx | abrotman: I used to have a magic little programme in XP called mightyfax that did it all diect from my desktop through any connection on the internet |
| 19:47.46 | jpinx | *direct from |
| 19:47.56 | abrotman | it dialed an analog modem from your LAN ? |
| 19:48.02 | J_P | werwolf: ext3 has journaling.. ext2 not |
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| 19:48.13 | jpinx | yes |
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| 19:48.25 | abrotman | jpinx: it went through a proxy of some sort |
| 19:48.28 | werwolf | whats journaling please? |
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| 19:48.33 | werwolf | do I need it? |
| 19:48.38 | wols_ | werwolf: yes |
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| 19:48.52 | werwolf | whats good for? |
| 19:48.54 | jpinx | abrotman - to be honest - I don't know how it worked, but it worked ;) |
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| 19:49.06 | wols_ | werwolf: data safety |
| 19:49.11 | J_P | xoz: journaliagin is good for recovery |
| 19:49.11 | xoz | is saying goodbye to leopard now that apple is no longer supporting ppc... back to debian. |
| 19:49.13 | jpinx | I'll need to go back and find it again and use it in a vbox ;) |
| 19:49.13 | werwolf | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:49.15 | J_P | sorry |
| 19:49.22 | J_P | werwolf: : journaliagin is good for recovery |
| 19:49.26 | Piper69 | peterS:"iwlist scan" return for eth0 to have 2 cell , cell01 and cell02 both with the same exact info |
| 19:49.35 | werwolf | thanks as well :) |
| 19:49.52 | peterS | Piper69: it should list the ESSID and such, do they correspond to IR or ER or..? |
| 19:50.11 | J_P | xoz: i not find keymap in apt-cache.. |
| 19:50.18 | J_P | xoz: but i have xmodmap.. |
| 19:51.23 | xoz | J_P: man xmodmap |
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| 19:51.38 | Piper69 | peterS: it only list ER SSID, but could that be because i alread put this info in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:52.09 | peterS | Piper69: I don't think 'iwlist scan' pays any attention to /etc/network/interfaces, it's only looking to see what is out there in the airwaves |
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| 19:55.16 | Piper69 | peterS: hmmm, but why its not picking up the IR , ? |
| 19:55.32 | zinx | Piper69: because IR isn't the same |
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| 19:56.00 | peterS | zinx: 'iwlist scan' should still see it if the AP is working and in range, though, no? |
| 19:56.01 | zinx | not handled by the iw tools, those are only for 802.11 protocols |
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| 19:56.08 | zinx | peterS: not if it's infrared! |
| 19:56.18 | peterS | no he's using IR to mean 'internal router', I think |
| 19:56.22 | zinx | oh, i see |
| 19:56.32 | peterS | as opposed to 'external router' - just making it easier to talk about them |
| 19:56.38 | Piper69 | peterS: correct |
| 19:56.45 | zinx | sure, it should pick it up *if* the card isn't associated, and the router is set to a channel the card supports |
| 19:57.00 | zinx | and the router isn't set to be hidden |
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| 19:57.47 | zinx | (if the card is associated, it may still pick up other APs on the same channel, but may not pick up any..) |
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| 19:58.03 | xoz | it should pick it |
| 19:58.04 | peterS | so, Piper69, as zinx says, there are various reasons IR might not be visible. I don't know nearly as much about 802.11 and linux as many people do, so he might be of more help to you than I |
| 19:58.17 | Piper69 | peterS: when "ifdow eth0" and then "ifup eth0" i get 'DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67" which this is the old default GW |
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| 19:58.39 | zinx | xoz: different cards/drivers act differently when scanning on a card that's already associated w/ an AP |
| 19:58.42 | peterS | Piper69: ok DHCPRELEASE is the ifdown part. does the ifup part seem to do anything useful? |
| 19:58.45 | xoz | wlassistant shows the APs and channels |
| 19:59.00 | Piper69 | peterS: no |
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| 19:59.05 | zinx | xoz: sure, that's the case for you.. but not everyone :) |
| 19:59.12 | xoz | zinx: i see |
| 19:59.30 | Piper69 | but why it is getting this 192.x.x.x. when it should get 10.x.x.x. |
| 19:59.42 | zinx | Piper69: DHCP settings |
| 19:59.48 | xoz | 192 is the router |
| 20:00.11 | peterS | well, you do have 2 routers. they probably both run DHCP servers, unless you've disabled that (I disabled it on my AP since I want only one logical network) |
| 20:00.14 | Piper69 | xoz: no its the router IP |
| 20:00.33 | xoz | Piper69: that is what i mean.. 192.168.0.1 i suppose |
| 20:00.34 | Piper69 | zinx: how would i change DHCP setting please |
| 20:00.50 | zinx | Piper69: it's generally a router setting |
| 20:01.01 | xoz | Piper69: use web browser... configure using the address of the router. |
| 20:01.11 | xoz | http://192... |
| 20:01.22 | Piper69 | i already looked at that |
| 20:01.32 | peterS | Piper69: wait, why do you have both IR and ER as separate competing APs? does that actually serve a purpose? |
| 20:01.34 | Piper69 | xoz: this is the ER , and its ip is 10. |
| 20:01.34 | xoz | Piper69: reboot the router |
| 20:01.41 | Piper69 | *10.202.46.1 |
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| 20:04.55 | Piper69 | peterS: yes, my idea for using 2 routers. is that i am planning on using debian as a server and DMZ. by connecting it behiend ER it alreay secure because it is behiend NAT router, and it has it own network, and if it is ever infected it will not spreade it to my windows network , because that is behind a different NAT router |
| 20:05.57 | Piper69 | anything from IR will be able to access any thing in ER network. BUT nothing from ER is able to access IR network |
| 20:06.20 | Piper69 | does it make sense ! |
| 20:06.36 | Piper69 | xoz: i already did that |
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| 20:07.15 | xoz | Piper69: the IR is using 192.? |
| 20:07.23 | peterS | Piper69: well, note NAT doesn't actually block ports any better than a regular port forwarding firewall - the extra level of NAT doesn't buy much on its own, unless NAT is the only way to get port-based firewalling on the IR |
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| 20:08.16 | Piper69 | xoz: yes |
| 20:08.54 | xoz | Piper69: try disable IR and see if it can get the IP from ER? you want to connect to ER? |
| 20:09.15 | xoz | put the IR power off first and see if there is no interference |
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| 20:09.39 | lxsameer | all : i have etch installed and i add lenny repository to my sources.list with some problem . when i try to upgrade some packages synaptic tell me that i should remove many file, what is the problem? |
| 20:09.47 | Piper69 | peterS: well it should, if it receive something that it is not expecting . sort like 1 way valve |
| 20:10.05 | Piper69 | peterS: actually it is a One Way valve |
| 20:10.29 | Piper69 | xoz: will do but then i will loose connectivity here for a min |
| 20:10.33 | rm___ | lxsameer, you either use etch or upgrade whole system to lenny, using etch + some packages from lenny won't work well |
| 20:10.41 | rm___ | to upgrade, use "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 20:10.53 | peterS | Piper69: same goes for any layer 2 firewall, which is to say, pretty much any firewall. since NAT is impossible to implement without port-based firewalling in some form, often you can't get one without the other. but there's no technical reason you shouldn't be able to do firewalling without NAT. |
| 20:11.04 | jpinx | !tell lxsameer about backports |
| 20:11.07 | xoz | Piper69: the thing is your debbian is getting the dhcp from the IR. |
| 20:11.27 | lxsameer | rm__ : can u tell me more? |
| 20:11.58 | jpinx | !tell lxsameer about upgrade |
| 20:12.09 | Piper69 | xoz: will reboot and then come back with results |
| 20:12.40 | jpinx | !tell lxsameer about dist-upgrade |
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| 20:13.01 | Piper69 | peterS: brb |
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| 20:14.05 | jpinx | !tell lxsameer about etch->lenny |
| 20:14.15 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about etch->grrrrrr |
| 20:14.19 | lxsameer | jpinx : if i do dist-upgrade then i still use etch or lenny? |
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| 20:14.47 | jpinx | lsxameer - first question is why do you want to upgrade? |
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| 20:15.00 | jpinx | Ooops lxsameer ^^ |
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| 20:15.29 | jpinx | if it is to use some more modern packages but retain stablitily - use backports |
| 20:15.32 | lxsameer | jpinx: because of many newer and upgraded packages that i need |
| 20:15.44 | jpinx | there you go - use backports |
| 20:15.49 | beia_ | i need help, i have Fedora instaled, but i want to install Debian, Boot of HD.. |
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| 20:16.16 | rm___ | personally i don't see the point in staying on Etch atm |
| 20:16.17 | grig | hello everybody |
| 20:16.29 | lxsameer | jpinx : i use backport . but i think it time to move on testing version |
| 20:16.38 | rm___ | unless you run a nuclear reactor or flight control system, or something |
| 20:16.51 | beia_ | peoples ! |
| 20:17.19 | jpinx | lxsameer: is it a public server environment? If so I'd recommend sticking with stable. |
| 20:17.37 | jpinx | Lenny is frozen but not released as stable yet |
| 20:17.48 | beia_ | lxsameer u help me? |
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| 20:17.52 | lxsameer | rm__ : if i do a dist-upgrade then i am in which version running? |
| 20:18.01 | danih | lenny |
| 20:18.04 | grig | do you have news about when lenny it's going to be released? |
| 20:18.09 | lxsameer | jpinx : no a personal laptop |
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| 20:18.37 | lxsameer | beia_ : what u mean? |
| 20:18.43 | jpinx | lxsameer: I have stable with backports on my laptop and it's great :D |
| 20:19.04 | beia_ | lxsameer i speek english not well, but help me to understand ok... |
| 20:19.06 | lxsameer | jpinx: backport is grate but i need more |
| 20:19.07 | beia_ | lxsameer i need help, i have Fedora instaled, but i want to install Debian, Boot of HD.. |
| 20:19.12 | danners | !tell grig about wwlr |
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| 20:19.26 | jpinx | lxsameer - what more do you need? |
| 20:19.39 | grig | tanks danners |
| 20:19.45 | grig | *thanks |
| 20:19.48 | lxsameer | beia_ : it's very simple just install debian in an other partition |
| 20:20.13 | lxsameer | jpinx : newer version of many lib and package |
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| 20:20.42 | beia_ | lxsameer i burn DVD iso, but iso not boot ;/ |
| 20:20.54 | beia_ | lxsameer i have windows and fedora instaled... |
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| 20:21.09 | jpinx | lxsameer: did you search backports for them? |
| 20:21.10 | beia_ | lxsameer i want change fedora to debian |
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| 20:21.19 | wols_ | beia_: what filenames are on the CD? |
| 20:21.25 | lxsameer | beia_ : how do u burn dvd iso? |
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| 20:21.50 | beia_ | wols_ many files... |
| 20:21.52 | jpinx | beia: if there is no data the easiest is to do a fresh install on top of the fedora partitions |
| 20:21.54 | lxsameer | beia_ : are u sure that your pc boot from cd-rom or dvd rom? |
| 20:21.55 | wols_ | beia_: NAMES |
| 20:22.27 | lxsameer | jpinx : can u give answer please |
| 20:22.37 | beia_ | but have autorun, md5sum.. in DVD |
| 20:22.53 | beia_ | i download iso in debian site |
| 20:22.54 | lxsameer | beia_ : are u sure that your pc boot from cd-rom or dvd rom????? |
| 20:23.04 | beia_ | DVD rom |
| 20:23.19 | wols_ | beia_: then boot from it.can you boot from other DVDs )have you tried?) |
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| 20:23.40 | jpinx | finds netinstall *much* easier |
| 20:23.47 | lxsameer | rm__:ping |
| 20:23.50 | beia_ | no.. i have one DVD iso |
| 20:24.08 | wols_ | beia_: you have windows or fedora CDs/DVDs |
| 20:24.25 | lxsameer | jpinx : some of countries like mine don't have good internet connection to install from net |
| 20:24.41 | jpinx | is in Peru with terrible internet |
| 20:25.00 | beia_ | i have fedora DVD |
| 20:25.05 | beia_ | and Windows CD |
| 20:25.11 | wols_ | beia_: try to boot one of them then |
| 20:25.12 | beia_ | and 1 debian DVD |
| 20:25.21 | beia_ | he is not giving Boot |
| 20:25.25 | jpinx | lxsameer: I sympathise but it is still easier than downloading an iso |
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| 20:26.02 | jpinx | beia: can you download a small .iso and burn a CD? |
| 20:26.03 | beia_ | wols_ understand ? |
| 20:26.14 | wols_ | beia_: do what I told you. try to boot the windows or fedora disk.if you can't do this it's no debian problem but a problem of ocnfiguring your BIOS |
| 20:26.28 | wols_ | beia_: you don't understand. I understand you very well |
| 20:26.35 | beia_ | oks.. |
| 20:26.38 | beia_ | wait.. |
| 20:27.19 | lxsameer | jpinx: if i do dist-upgrade then i am in etch or lenny? |
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| 20:27.30 | jpinx | wols: I am guessing it is a damaged CD - I bought a deb set here recently that refused to boot |
| 20:27.34 | wols_ | lxsameer: depends what is in your sources.list |
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| 20:27.36 | beia_ | but my problem not my bios, i haved instaled Fedora, with DVD.. but DVD of debian not BOOT ;/ |
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| 20:27.54 | beia_ | because i want boot of HD to install debian.. understand ? |
| 20:28.08 | danih | :D |
| 20:28.09 | lxsameer | wols_ : i have lenny repo in my sources.list |
| 20:28.13 | beia_ | because don´t have DVD |
| 20:28.18 | wols_ | beia_: then what do you blabber about DVDs then? |
| 20:28.20 | danih | lxsameer, you'll be in lenny |
| 20:28.22 | wols_ | !hd media |
| 20:28.28 | jpinx | lxsameer: from stable etch you will be going to unstable lenny |
| 20:28.28 | wols_ | !hdmedia |
| 20:28.35 | beia_ | !hdmeia |
| 20:28.36 | wols_ | jpinx: there is no such thing |
| 20:28.40 | beia_ | !hdmeda |
| 20:28.42 | beia_ | !hdmedia |
| 20:28.46 | wols_ | beia_: stop that |
| 20:28.51 | beia_ | ok |
| 20:28.52 | Kovensky | jpinx: to TESTING lenny |
| 20:28.55 | jpinx | wols: as what? |
| 20:28.58 | rm___ | jpinx, unstable is sid, not lenny. lenny is testing |
| 20:28.59 | rm___ | yep |
| 20:29.03 | jpinx | Ooops - my bad :( |
| 20:29.10 | danih | sid or squeeze |
| 20:29.11 | danih | ^^ |
| 20:29.15 | jpinx | apologies to all |
| 20:29.16 | Kovensky | lenny will be stable in a few weeks |
| 20:29.24 | Kovensky | jpinx: don't worry :) |
| 20:29.26 | wols_ | beia_: use debootstrap |
| 20:29.28 | wols_ | ~ig |
| 20:29.29 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 20:29.29 | jpinx | Kovensky - I was told not this year |
| 20:29.44 | Kovensky | danih: squeeze will be branched from sid, eh? |
| 20:29.46 | beia_ | wols_ where download this ? |
| 20:29.47 | wols_ | Kovensky: optimist |
| 20:29.49 | lxsameer | i have an other problem when i try to update apt by this sources.list http://phpfi.com/351042 i get this error http://phpfi.com/351039 |
| 20:29.51 | lxsameer | all : ^ |
| 20:29.54 | wols_ | beia_: download WHAT? |
| 20:29.56 | Kovensky | wols_: lol |
| 20:29.58 | danih | Kovensky, squeeze is the name for the release after lenny |
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| 20:30.00 | miksuh | danih: no squeeze will be next testing after lenny, unstable will stuill be sid |
| 20:30.04 | beia_ | wols_ debootstrap |
| 20:30.11 | wols_ | ~debootstrap |
| 20:30.11 | apt | debootstrap is, like, Useful for installing Debian in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 20:30.23 | wols_ | ~mmap |
| 20:30.30 | jpinx | unstable is always sid AKAIK |
| 20:30.32 | Kovensky | danih: I know; but how do the dev guys begin new testing releases? by branching sid or branching stable? |
| 20:30.33 | beia_ | thank´s |
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| 20:30.49 | miksuh | danih: unstable will always be sid |
| 20:30.59 | lxsameer | all : ^ |
| 20:31.03 | jpinx | beia: get the netinstall business card .iso and burn it on a cd and boot it |
| 20:31.04 | lxsameer | i have an other problem when i try to update apt by this sources.list http://phpfi.com/351042 i get this error http://phpfi.com/351039 |
| 20:31.28 | wols_ | lxsameer: don't repeat |
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| 20:31.52 | wols_ | Kovensky: sid |
| 20:31.54 | lxsameer | wols_: it's a mistake |
| 20:32.12 | wols_ | lxsameer: a mistake that just cost you an answer by me. HADN |
| 20:32.14 | wols_ | *HAND |
| 20:32.22 | lxsameer | wols_ : can i have both lenny and etch repo in my sources.list? |
| 20:32.29 | wols_ | yes |
| 20:33.12 | lxsameer | wols_: but when i try apt-get update i get this error http://phpfi.com/351039 |
| 20:33.12 | jpinx | lxsameer: that sources list is all local files |
| 20:33.30 | wols_ | lxsameer: I won't answer anymore.I told you |
| 20:34.40 | jpinx | lxsameer - I 8still* haven't had a chance to read the error - please be patient |
| 20:35.07 | wols_ | dpkg: why are you broken? |
| 20:35.07 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols_ |
| 20:35.11 | wols_ | !mmap |
| 20:35.11 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 20:35.40 | wols_ | !tell beia_ about ig |
| 20:35.53 | rm___ | if you're going to Lenny, just remove the etch entries from sources.list |
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| 20:36.22 | lxsameer | wols_: sorry thank |
| 20:36.43 | mikef | hi |
| 20:36.55 | mikef | how do I add subdomains on ONE IP. |
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| 20:38.17 | mikef | help me please? |
| 20:38.19 | mikef | :{ |
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| 20:39.29 | wols_ | mikef: http? |
| 20:40.56 | abrotman | dns? |
| 20:41.12 | mikef | dns i think |
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| 20:41.24 | jpinx | I installed a package in error and removed it, but the space released was a fraction of that occupied - How do I free up the rest of the space used? |
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| 20:41.35 | Piper69 | xoz: peterS no luck yet |
| 20:41.37 | wols_ | jpinx: purge it? |
| 20:41.53 | jpinx | mikef: add to bind |
| 20:41.55 | mikef | i have a bouncer running on my VPS and I wanted to add a subdomain so I don't ahve to use the IP to connect to it. |
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| 20:42.08 | mikef | jpinx, where is that? (: |
| 20:42.11 | rm___ | jpinx, 1) apt-get clean 2) apt-get --purge autoremove 3) apt-get install deborphan && dpkg -P `deborphan` |
| 20:42.16 | wols_ | mikef: why would you need a subdomain for this? |
| 20:42.43 | wols_ | mikef: just use a current FQDN |
| 20:42.53 | mikef | wols_, dunno what that is. |
| 20:43.03 | mikef | And I want a subdomain because |
| 20:43.11 | mikef | I have a domain and I was going to set a subdomain on it. |
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| 20:43.41 | jpinx | mikef: if you don't have bind (or similar) talk to your domain registrar |
| 20:43.48 | wols_ | mikef: you need to use your DNS server for that |
| 20:43.59 | mikef | jpinx, I'm sure I have whatever, I just dont know what to do. |
| 20:44.12 | wols_ | mikef: talk to whoever does your DSN |
| 20:44.16 | wols_ | *DNS |
| 20:44.56 | mikef | I have a dns thing in my Hypervm control panel.. |
| 20:45.16 | wols_ | mikef: that's the place. if you can't do it there, ask your hoster |
| 20:45.50 | wols_ | mikef: but you don't need a subdomain for the bouncer |
| 20:47.36 | jpinx | goes for lunch |
| 20:47.39 | n-iCe | what's the lastest kernel version for debian? |
| 20:47.47 | beia_ | wols_ what file Debian use on Boot? |
| 20:48.08 | wols_ | beia_: more info needed |
| 20:48.16 | wols_ | n-iCe: 2.6.24 |
| 20:48.22 | Piper69 | xoz: any other suggestions please |
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| 20:48.33 | rm___ | n-iCe, and 2.6.26 in Lenny |
| 20:48.42 | wols_ | Piper69: does your AP hide the SSID? |
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| 20:48.51 | mikef | wols_, I do too. |
| 20:49.00 | wols_ | mikef: do what? |
| 20:49.03 | mikef | Otherwise I have to keep typign the IP:port |
| 20:49.09 | n-iCe | Si ando en lenny |
| 20:49.11 | mikef | I'd rather type domain:port |
| 20:49.11 | wols_ | mikef: you don't |
| 20:49.19 | n-iCe | rm___: cada cuándo lo actualizan masomenos? |
| 20:49.20 | mikef | yes -.- |
| 20:49.21 | wols_ | mikef: you already have a domain |
| 20:49.21 | beia_ | wols_ oks |
| 20:49.24 | n-iCe | oops |
| 20:49.29 | mikef | I know |
| 20:49.36 | wols_ | mikef: then use it |
| 20:49.42 | rm___ | nicht fershtein |
| 20:49.43 | Piper69 | wols_: yes, and i just tried and changed the channel to 6 and when iwlist scan it showed that it is on channel 6 |
| 20:49.43 | wols_ | mikef: it already maps to the IP |
| 20:49.45 | xoz | Piper69: did you try connecting using wired? does it work? |
| 20:49.48 | mikef | o |
| 20:49.51 | mikef | no it doesnt |
| 20:49.53 | mikef | its not setup |
| 20:49.56 | mikef | idk how :X |
| 20:50.03 | wols_ | Piper69: don't hide the SSID. it's stupid |
| 20:50.13 | mikef | I bought it from name.com and I got my vps..dunno how though ): |
| 20:50.29 | wols_ | mikef: ask your hoster. not a debian problem unless you run your own DNS which we can safely assume you don't since you have no clue |
| 20:50.37 | Piper69 | wols_: no its not and iam not, but i thought you were asking if that feature exists |
| 20:50.41 | wols_ | mikef: if your VPS has a domain name, you can use it |
| 20:50.51 | xoz | Piper69: is it possible you have config problem with wireless? are you using wpa? wep? |
| 20:51.20 | Piper69 | xoz: it was working on the same wireless card, the only thing that changed is network |
| 20:51.28 | Piper69 | xoz: am using wep |
| 20:51.40 | wols_ | Piper69: anotehr useless thing to use |
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| 20:52.38 | mikef | wols_, my VPS doesnt have a domain name |
| 20:52.40 | mikef | I bought it |
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| 20:53.01 | mikef | dunno how to set it up..I'll just ask my hoster then..I thought it was something I had to do myself with debian :X |
| 20:53.31 | Piper69 | could iptable causing this issue |
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| 20:54.20 | wols_ | mikef: then talk to your hoster or the people you bought the domain name from how to associate bothm VPS IP and DNS name. not a debian proble, |
| 20:54.24 | bsund | lo guys, small problem i have a usb-hd that i mount as root and then chown as bsund.. how do i setup fstab to do the same thing? |
| 20:54.26 | wols_ | *problem |
| 20:54.28 | wols_ | Piper69: no |
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| 20:55.01 | wols_ | bsund: you don't chown. what filesystem? |
| 20:55.39 | bsund | wols_: usb disk is on ext2, base system is ext3 |
| 20:55.54 | beia_ | wols_ I know I have to give the boot to begin installing the disket cd |
| 20:55.54 | beia_ | wanted to know if you are like the USB |
| 20:55.57 | wols_ | bsund: then you don't need to chmod |
| 20:56.15 | bsund | ah i should mention that i chown the mount point |
| 20:56.25 | wols_ | beia_: unless you clearly state your question you won't get an answer |
| 20:57.11 | Piper69 | "/etc/init.d/networking restart" DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4,8,18,11,9 and 11 |
| 20:57.23 | Piper69 | NO DHCP offer received |
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| 20:57.36 | wols_ | Piper69: is your WLAN associated to the AP? |
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| 20:57.41 | Piper69 | no working lease in persistent database - sleeping |
| 20:58.05 | Piper69 | wols_: i don;t understand? |
| 20:58.12 | bsund | it's a single user system, how do i make fstab mount a disk globally rw.. that was the point of my question |
| 20:58.26 | xoz | can you get IP using wired? is your ssid pointing to your AP? show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:58.31 | wols_ | bsund: you just mount it |
| 20:58.41 | wols_ | Piper69: check your logs |
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| 20:59.00 | bsund | wols_: access denied. (as a user) |
| 20:59.04 | Piper69 | wols_: for what? what i am looking for in logs |
| 20:59.06 | LordMetroid | Hi all |
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| 20:59.20 | bsund | i don't wanna su |
| 20:59.22 | LordMetroid | Just installed debian from the minimal net-installation iso |
| 20:59.41 | LordMetroid | I reboot and is confronted with a login, I never created a user! |
| 20:59.50 | abrotman | LordMetroid: yes you did |
| 21:00.00 | abrotman | LordMetroid: you gave a password for root .. and it asked you to create a user |
| 21:00.08 | Piper69 | xoz: my interfaces are pointing to the right AP |
| 21:00.09 | LordMetroid | Nope |
| 21:00.54 | LordMetroid | or maybe, it says "sysadmin is not allowed to login from this screen" |
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| 21:00.55 | xoz | Piper69: what about /etc/network/interfaces? are you using wep or wpa? |
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| 21:00.55 | wols_ | bsund: chown the mount point THEN mount. and make sure the files and dirs on the usb disk are all owned by the user too |
| 21:01.01 | Piper69 | xoz: wep |
| 21:01.19 | wols_ | LordMetroid: it doesn't. there is no "sysadmin" |
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| 21:01.23 | un | what is the best channel for gnu'ish people who know about .debs, autotools, and the .deps folder? |
| 21:01.23 | LordMetroid | ahhh from the manager I can add users |
| 21:01.26 | itewsh | hello |
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| 21:01.32 | Piper69 | xoz: am thinking to disable enryption just to see what the hell , you know |
| 21:01.39 | LordMetroid | thank you for the chat, it has been pleasent |
| 21:01.40 | wols_ | LordMetroid: what debian version is this? |
| 21:01.45 | xoz | Piper69: try no passwd first and check if you can get the IP |
| 21:01.47 | abrotman | the what? |
| 21:01.55 | wols_ | Piper69: you should. wep is useoless anyways |
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| 21:02.04 | LordMetroid | newest iso... can't remember which ver# it had |
| 21:02.07 | xoz | Piper69: yep. wep is sissy |
| 21:02.16 | wols_ | LordMetroid: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:03.15 | un | wols_ last command leads me to believe i can/should ask here... how are the .deps folders generated, and how (if there is a way) can I regenerate them based on the source. |
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| 21:03.27 | Piper69 | xoz: i know i know wep sucks |
| 21:03.49 | wols_ | un: explain yourself more clearly if you want help. and address the whole channel |
| 21:03.54 | xoz | so, can you get the IP |
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| 21:04.22 | LordMetroid | How do I get to the console from the GUI? |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | just start a terminal from the apps menu |
| 21:04.36 | wols_ | LordMetroid: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:05.22 | LordMetroid | wols_: what does that do? |
| 21:05.33 | un | I am trying to debianize the librebecca-mt library into a .deb, however the source was written on something besides linux i think... there are a lot of .plo files with incorrect references in .deps folders in the rebecca-mt project, i'd like to know how the .deps folders get there and why |
| 21:05.35 | wols_ | LordMetroid: it tells us what debian you installed |
| 21:05.39 | bsund | wols_: good point, i will try it. you don't know how to make fstab mount a drive globally read/write? |
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| 21:05.46 | Kovensky | is iceweasel-2.0 equivalent to firefox-3.0? |
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| 21:06.01 | danih | nope, there is iceweasel 3.0 |
| 21:06.04 | wols_ | un: we wouldn't know what "deps" folders are |
| 21:06.26 | wols_ | un: ask whoever wrote the software |
| 21:06.58 | un | wols_: crap... you know of a polite (newb friendly) c++ channel, the author of the software is nowhere to be found... such useful software too |
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| 21:07.11 | abrotman | like .. ##c++ ? |
| 21:07.18 | wols_ | un: this is no C++ problem either |
| 21:07.26 | wols_ | this is a build system problem |
| 21:07.34 | un | wols_: not a C++ newb or anything, just a channel more familiar with autotools |
| 21:07.37 | jescis | is there a package for flash plugin for iceweasel? |
| 21:07.46 | abrotman | gnash and swfdec |
| 21:07.52 | wols_ | !flash |
| 21:07.52 | dpkg | flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:08.09 | wols_ | jescis: it uses the same ones as ffox would |
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| 21:09.02 | Kovensky | danih: hmm... saw it now; it is just that 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' failed saying something about iceweasel-2.0 |
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| 21:09.57 | werwolf | where can I decompile tar.gz? |
| 21:10.01 | LordMetroid | I do not have an app menu, I have "Language, Session and Action" to choose from |
| 21:10.04 | Piper69 | xoz: wols_ : still same results, but it show in iwlist scan that engryption is off |
| 21:10.11 | werwolf | *decompress |
| 21:10.21 | LordMetroid | I can't login as root |
| 21:10.49 | wols_ | werwolf: tar -zxvf <file.tar.gz" |
| 21:10.52 | xoz | Piper69: what about /etc/network/intefaces? |
| 21:10.53 | Piper69 | LordMetroid: to your gnome |
| 21:11.12 | LordMetroid | ahh I could configure the login manager to allow sys admin to log in |
| 21:11.23 | danih | is there a way to get youtube working without flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 21:11.30 | wols_ | LordMetroid: ctrl+alt+f1 and login as root |
| 21:11.32 | Piper69 | xoz: what about it ? it is very simple |
| 21:11.45 | zinx | danih: is there a reason you need to do it without flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 21:11.50 | wols_ | danih: gnash if you are lucky. probably need a cvs version |
| 21:11.58 | jescis | abrotman, thanks swfdec was what I see aptitude search could find. |
| 21:12.02 | werwolf | wols_: I meant in which folder can I decompress it |
| 21:12.11 | xoz | Piper69: what is the erro when you restart the network? |
| 21:12.13 | danih | not a real reason except that i'd rather do it with a open source player |
| 21:12.15 | wols_ | werwolf: anywhere you have write proviledges |
| 21:12.25 | LordMetroid | I logged in as root in X |
| 21:12.27 | un | !deb |
| 21:12.27 | dpkg | [deb] the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 21:12.32 | danih | if it doesn't work i'll just use adobe's |
| 21:12.41 | Piper69 | xoz: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4,8,18,11,9 and 11 |
| 21:12.44 | werwolf | I am the root |
| 21:12.47 | zinx | danih: the open source players don't work very well |
| 21:12.51 | werwolf | what is the best place for it? |
| 21:12.59 | xoz | Piper69: and your wirelss is eth0 |
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| 21:13.02 | xoz | ? |
| 21:13.09 | wols_ | werwolf: there is no "best place" and you should NOT be root |
| 21:13.10 | Piper69 | xoz: yes |
| 21:13.18 | werwolf | :O |
| 21:13.21 | werwolf | why? |
| 21:13.41 | wols_ | werwolf: cause you only be root if you really need to be. normally you're use your normal user only |
| 21:13.52 | xoz | Piper69: is your windows comp can get IP from the same router? |
| 21:13.57 | wols_ | unpacking a tar.gz doesn't need root privileges |
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| 21:14.24 | Piper69 | xoz: no from the other router IR |
| 21:15.00 | werwolf | ok, I wanted to say, I can unpack it in any folder |
| 21:15.07 | xoz | Piper69: so the problem is the ER router. |
| 21:15.36 | Piper69 | xoz: well i was able to connect a laptop to ER |
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| 21:15.56 | xoz | Piper69: you mean windows? |
| 21:16.08 | wols_ | werwolf: what is in the tar.gz? |
| 21:16.16 | Piper69 | xoz: and as we speak , i am trying to confirm that i am able to use ER network...yes windows |
| 21:16.41 | xoz | Piper69: and wired from debian machine can connect? |
| 21:17.00 | JPT | Where can i find information about kernel performance and kernel tuning ? (i'm using 3D Applications / Games) (I want to play with CONFIG_HZ) |
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| 21:17.39 | Piper69 | xoz: thats why i am using wireless. i don't have that long of cable |
| 21:17.53 | LordMetroid | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:17.54 | dpkg | ii libc6 2.2-3.1 lordmetroid's private porn collection |
| 21:18.02 | LordMetroid | lol |
| 21:18.10 | xoz | Piper69: what i mean is that your wired networking in debian works connecting to that router? |
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| 21:18.16 | LordMetroid | I got 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 |
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| 21:18.50 | myweb | hello |
| 21:18.58 | Piper69 | xoz: never had to set it up, because i was using wireless from the get go on that computer |
| 21:19.12 | myweb | Hello, I want buy server with MEGARAID SAS 8204ELP raid controller, does it support by debian ethc? |
| 21:20.22 | lxsameer | all , jpinx: when i try aptitude dist-upgrade i get http://phpfi.com/351057 |
| 21:20.37 | grig | does anyone know what package contains ip_nat.h? |
| 21:20.39 | Piper69 | xoz: i was able to get to the internet , thru ER with my windows laptop |
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| 21:20.58 | grig | distro is etch |
| 21:21.05 | xoz | Piper69: try livecd like knoppix or ubuntu? maybe there is some config problems. |
| 21:21.47 | Piper69 | xoz: is there is a way i can check dhcp config in debian |
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| 21:22.33 | LordMetroid | Okay, never done this before succesfully so I may as well ask, how do I create a new user that has all required what is normally expected to be in the home/username folder for a desktop using user to do development? |
| 21:22.34 | Piper69 | because this is my problem, some how debian is hunged over 192.168.1.1 adress and for some rease it thinks that it is still in that network |
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| 21:23.08 | xoz | Piper69: /etc/dhcp3/ |
| 21:24.34 | xoz | Piper69: or try pump instead of dhcp |
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| 21:25.01 | Piper69 | xoz: can you show me please |
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| 21:25.26 | xoz | Piper69: aptitude install pump... pump -i eth0 |
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| 21:25.46 | LordMetroid | Nice -m gave me the basic, a login in X gave me all the rest |
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| 21:28.03 | Piper69 | xoz: how would i use aptitude when i can even access the net with that machine |
| 21:28.31 | xoz | why not use wired connection? |
| 21:28.35 | rjbs | I want to install something from etch-backports. I tried, and it failed. Now when attempting to do anything (well, to install other things with apt-get) I seE: 8 not fully installed or removed. |
| 21:28.40 | rjbs | and then a long string of errors |
| 21:28.52 | rjbs | I don't know how to clear this probelm. I am an apt-get idiot. |
| 21:28.55 | dmoerner | rjbs: please pastebin the full error |
| 21:29.00 | rjbs | Will do. |
| 21:29.00 | lxsameer | when i try to upgrade etch->lenny i get this http://phpfi.com/351057 why? |
| 21:29.01 | jpinx | lxsameer: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:29.03 | lxsameer | all :^ |
| 21:29.05 | Piper69 | xoz: its at the end of the house |
| 21:29.15 | Piper69 | thats why i am using wireless |
| 21:29.43 | rjbs | dmoerner: Pasted, http://paste.debian.net/16550/ |
| 21:29.45 | lxsameer | jpinx : aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:29.46 | spanther | xoz cause wireless is the future :) |
| 21:30.09 | xoz | Piper69: try to use wired first until you can make wirless work. otherwise, we will ask you to do something and you cannot do. it is like locking yourself inside your own car. |
| 21:30.30 | jpinx | lxsameer: did you fully update etch before you did dist-upgrade |
| 21:30.39 | dmoerner | rjbs: try dpkg --configure -a and see if that does anything, along with aptitude install -f |
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| 21:31.20 | xoz | Piper69: apparently, your problem i thnk is related to configuration. google for wireless debian |
| 21:31.24 | lxsameer | jpinx : do u mean apt-get update? no |
| 21:32.04 | xoz | Piper69: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 21:32.05 | jpinx | lxsameer: dist-upgrade is best from a fully updated etch |
| 21:32.08 | LordMetroid | Debian seems to really have been taking leaps with regards to usability the last few years |
| 21:32.29 | rjbs | dmoerner: Thanks, I'll try that now. |
| 21:32.33 | Piper69 | xoz: thanks |
| 21:32.36 | jpinx | LordMetroid: I it must have - I can use it now ;) |
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| 21:32.48 | LordMetroid | hehe |
| 21:32.50 | lxsameer | jpinx : should i do that just with etch repo first? |
| 21:33.47 | jpinx | lxsameer: it pays to read the full release notes before you do naything or ask anything here |
| 21:33.55 | rjbs | dmoerner: Both fail. dpkg configure fails right off. aptitude offers to screw with gcc, then fails with a very similar error |
| 21:34.17 | dmoerner | rjbs: it might seem redundant but please pastebin those errors as well. they may reveal something |
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| 21:34.24 | lxsameer | jpinx : ok thanks |
| 21:34.36 | mu532 | what is libjasper used for? |
| 21:34.46 | rjbs | dmoerner: no problem |
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| 21:35.35 | rjbs | dmoerner: aptitude: http://paste.debian.net/16551/ |
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| 21:35.56 | rjbs | dmoerner: oh, that paste contains both |
| 21:35.59 | amphi | mu532: seems to be an image frobbing library that supports 'JPEG-2000 format defined in ISO/IEC 15444-1:2000' amongst others |
| 21:36.14 | amphi | mu532: apt-cache is informative ;) |
| 21:36.34 | mu532 | what's "to frob"? :) |
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| 21:37.22 | amphi | 'do stuff to' - I don't know if it just read/writes or can do other things to image files |
| 21:37.57 | mu532 | I'm looking to add images which are created and written to on the fly |
| 21:38.02 | AljosHa | I have just installed ytalk , but semms that he isnt started as deamon, do i need to reboot some pid for it? " No talk daemon on localhost" |
| 21:38.06 | mu532 | to a web site |
| 21:38.13 | lxsameer | how can i find more about this channel and term of use of this? |
| 21:38.35 | dmoerner | rjbs: so i take it you tried to install python 2.5 from backports? the problem is that python 2.5 reinstalls the 2.4 version of that config file, so the attempt to revert to 2.4 flips out. try running the following command |
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| 21:38.43 | mu532 | lxsameer: pound.debian.net I think |
| 21:38.53 | abrotman | AljosHa: did you install talkd ? |
| 21:39.30 | dmoerner | rjbs: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss --force-confnew" reinstall python2.4-minimal |
| 21:39.42 | mu532 | dmoerner: you can /msg dpkg [whatever] and it will respond back by /msg... |
| 21:39.55 | mu532 | dmoerner: right now, try this: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 21:40.05 | dmoerner | mu532: what? |
| 21:40.13 | dmoerner | why are you tagging me in these mesages? |
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| 21:40.24 | lxsameer | mu532: broken link |
| 21:40.42 | mu532 | oops, off by one irc line... sorry dmoerner |
| 21:40.44 | AljosHa | yes i have it installed, but i dont see him in init.d |
| 21:40.48 | abrotman | broken link ? |
| 21:40.50 | rjbs | dmoerner: I tried to install gitosis. |
| 21:40.52 | dmoerner | mu532: no problem |
| 21:40.53 | abrotman | AljosHa: /etc/inetd.conf |
| 21:40.55 | rjbs | dmoerner: I don't recall what else it wanted. |
| 21:41.06 | dmoerner | rjbs: the command i sent you should fix it |
| 21:41.09 | mu532 | lxsameer: you can /msg dpkg [whatever] and it will respond back by /msg... |
| 21:41.22 | mu532 | lxsameer: right now, try this: /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 21:41.28 | mu532 | there, that's better |
| 21:41.30 | rjbs | Nope. I'll paste. |
| 21:41.53 | rjbs | http://paste.debian.net/16552/ |
| 21:42.49 | AljosHa | talk dgram udp wait nobody.tty /usr/sbin/in.talkd in.talkd |
| 21:42.52 | AljosHa | must be run from inetd. |
| 21:42.53 | AljosHa | hm ? |
| 21:42.53 | dmoerner | rjbs: sorry i forgot you were on etch aptitude. try aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" -o DPkg::Options:: |
| 21:43.02 | bsund | wth just install fedora |
| 21:43.02 | dmoerner | rjbs: i typed enter too early ignore that message |
| 21:43.04 | rjbs | dmoerner: trying |
| 21:43.09 | rjbs | waits |
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| 21:43.39 | dmoerner | rjbs: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall python2.4-minimal |
| 21:43.53 | mu532 | abrotman: didn't there used to be a pound.debian.net? |
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| 21:44.06 | abrotman | mu532: NFC .. ask google ? |
| 21:44.35 | mu532 | is there a web site for this channel? |
| 21:44.47 | rjbs | dmoerner: fail, http://paste.debian.net/16553/ |
| 21:45.01 | abrotman | mu532: with stats .. not sure what you're looking for |
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| 21:45.26 | dmoerner | rjbs: the pretty fixes failed. try: mv /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools.pth /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools.pth.bak && aptitude install -f |
| 21:45.28 | mu532 | usage, rules, faq, etc |
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| 21:45.33 | rjbs | you got it |
| 21:45.35 | abrotman | mu532: /topic ? |
| 21:45.59 | mu532 | oh, the wiki |
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| 21:46.26 | PDani | hi |
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| 21:47.03 | rjbs | dmoerner: http://paste.debian.net/16554/ |
| 21:47.05 | PDani | iwconfig says, that my wireless link quality is 89/100, but the bit rate is only 11, and sometimes 18? |
| 21:47.11 | mu532 | lxsameer: did you get what you were looking for |
| 21:47.18 | PDani | how can be it possible? |
| 21:47.48 | lxsameer | mu532 : i still looking for it |
| 21:48.03 | phorce1 | says Lenny oddities sometimes suck badly |
| 21:48.13 | mu532 | lxsameer: there is a web link in the /topic |
| 21:48.23 | rjbs | dmoerner: (I'm barely reading these errors because you seem to really know wtf is going on, so I'm sorry if I'm missing some obvious change.) |
| 21:49.02 | dmoerner | rjbs: it keeps complaining that files in the package already exist on your system. you can try again mv /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/site.py /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/site.py.bak |
| 21:49.33 | rjbs | okay, I'll keep my eyes on the "already exists" lines and iterate over this |
| 21:49.50 | AljosHa | abrotman: i dont understand this in config, can you explain me ? |
| 21:50.06 | abrotman | AljosHa: understand what? |
| 21:50.11 | phorce1 | dmoerner: I just got here and probably missed something, but why not 'aptitude reinstall xxx'? |
| 21:50.27 | rjbs | hey, that second one was the last one. things seemed to have worked. |
| 21:50.33 | rjbs | now... let's see if I can really get gitosis working. |
| 21:50.39 | rjbs | dmoerner: thank you *very* much |
| 21:51.17 | AljosHa | do i need to restart inetd?i have this line in file talk dgram udp wait nobody.tty /usr/sbin/in.talkd in.talkd |
| 21:51.18 | dmoerner | phorce1: the problem is not with dpkg, its with the python setup tools. they aren't that smart |
| 21:51.23 | dmoerner | rjbs: no problem |
| 21:51.27 | rjbs | Oh, python. You so crazy. |
| 21:51.35 | phorce1 | dmoerner: ahhh |
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| 21:51.42 | rjbs | all that whitespace between the ears. it's significant. |
| 21:53.32 | phorce1 | I spent about 10 hours yesterday doing updates on a lenny box I built several months ago then nevr turned back on. It kept getting i/o locked. A test copy of a file took 2.5 hours to copy a single 700Meg file off of a USB stick that took 3 minutes to load on another machine. |
| 21:53.53 | phorce1 | Finally slicked it and reinstalled. Drive works fine. |
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| 21:55.56 | dextervip | hello,anyone can help me with this? i have this script shell...when i open it by shell works but on cronjob return the wrong value http://pastebin.centos.org/22014 |
| 21:56.20 | un | hah! librebecca-mt is now debianized (or at least gnuish) still gotta beat out bugz... makes me proud to help OSS |
| 21:56.35 | un | had to manually hack every dam .plo file... |
| 21:56.43 | phorce1 | Now if they'd just get drivers done for my cheap PCI-E dvb-s card I'd have something new to play with again. |
| 21:57.22 | LordMetroid | Is it autofs I want to install if I want to automount new connected media such as flashsticks and compact disks? |
| 21:57.52 | phorce1 | yuck, need to fix my dns servers on the fresh install ATT DSL dns servers suck. Huge delay. |
| 21:58.43 | jhamlin | How can I use times new roman font in open office? |
| 21:59.01 | phorce1 | dextervip: with one instance running what does it return from shell and from cron? |
| 21:59.24 | dmoerner | dextervip: ps aux | grep -v grep | grep -c PATTERN is a much simpler way to write the first line but i don't know if thats what you want |
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| 21:59.53 | dmoerner | dextervip: the problem is probably that the cron job is listed by its name in some weird way that causes the grep to count it and not exclude it with "-v" |
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| 21:59.57 | phorce1 | dmoerner: looks like he wants to know if there's more than one |
| 22:00.42 | dextervip | from shell first time open the application value 1,second time value 2 already running..on shell its fine...but on cronjob just value * it already run multiple times |
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| 22:01.07 | un | jhamlin: copy the .ttf or whatever to /home/URNAME/.fonts |
| 22:01.11 | phorce1 | dextervip: so from cron it returns nothing? |
| 22:01.33 | dextervip | it return like already running |
| 22:01.41 | dextervip | but its not running |
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| 22:01.53 | un | jhamlin: there's prolly an eeasier way bbut cp is fastest |
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| 22:02.17 | themill | dpkg: tell jhamlin about msttcorefonts |
| 22:02.58 | LordMetroid | Isn't Java JDK6 available as a package under debian? |
| 22:03.28 | un | LordMetroid: ubuntu servers i know, but i don't have a debian only machine yet |
| 22:03.37 | themill | LordMetroid: it is. etch-backports or in lenny/sid. It's non-free though. /msg dpkg install java |
| 22:03.49 | phorce1 | dextervip: stick an 'echo $PROCESS_COUNT' in there to see what number it's actually returning. If it's counting the cron job you may just have to do a "-1" to fix it. |
| 22:03.51 | John0321 | how do i check how much memory an application is using in debian, ps x doesnt show ram usage |
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| 22:04.04 | monfis | 1st |
| 22:04.22 | amphi | John0321: htop is useful |
| 22:04.42 | abrotman | monfis: wrong channel |
| 22:04.42 | LordMetroid | mhmm |
| 22:05.24 | Kovensky | htop crashes on screen :/ |
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| 22:05.46 | John0321 | amphi: thanks, nice app :) |
| 22:06.00 | amphi | Kovensky: not here |
| 22:06.20 | amphi | John0321: good-oh |
| 22:06.22 | Kovensky | amphi: not immediatly, I mean: open htop, press the 'down' arrow, see the bash prompt |
| 22:06.52 | amphi | Kovensky: it works fine under screen here; I've never seen it crash |
| 22:06.57 | un | what's the easiest way to get a .deb out of a './configure, make, sudo make install' package? will checkinstall do fine? i've noticed a gui called packin' as well |
| 22:06.58 | Kovensky | hmm |
| 22:06.59 | dextervip | i will do it now thanks |
| 22:07.01 | Kovensky | goes try again |
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| 22:07.15 | Kovensky | weird... now it is not running at all, it just get stuck loading |
| 22:07.34 | amphi | Kovensky: I'm on testing BTW |
| 22:07.44 | Kovensky | amphi: lenny too |
| 22:07.55 | Kovensky | maybe something weird with my screen |
| 22:07.59 | amphi | amd64 here, FWIW |
| 22:08.03 | dmoerner | un: probably checkinstall if you don't want to learn anything. i've never heard of that gui before |
| 22:08.13 | Kovensky | amphi: amd64 too =p |
| 22:08.18 | amphi | heh |
| 22:08.21 | dmoerner | un: what package do you need? |
| 22:08.29 | Kovensky | actually, it is not working at all inside eterm |
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| 22:08.34 | Kovensky | not even outside screen =p |
| 22:08.42 | amphi | !blame eterm |
| 22:08.44 | lxsameer | jpinx : i still have problem i do aptitude dist-upgrade only iwth my etch repo and now with my lenny i got that error again |
| 22:08.59 | un | dmoerner: i don't need a package... i just ported an app from some funny build system to autotools... i'd like to learn... you have a link handy? |
| 22:09.00 | dpkg | blames Z4ndX and eterm for all the evil in the world |
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| 22:09.15 | Kovensky | amphi: what do you suggest then? gnome-terminal? =p |
| 22:09.49 | amphi | Kovensky: I use xfce4-term here, as I like being able to have the tabs vertically down the side |
| 22:09.56 | dmoerner | un: http://debian.org/doc/maint-guide. if this is a relatively simple build then you should man dh and look at the debhelper 7 calls |
| 22:10.07 | Kovensky | amphi: hmm... I don't like that terminal :/ |
| 22:10.12 | Kovensky | amphi: will try gnome-terminal then |
| 22:10.22 | un | dmoerner: schweet... that's what i've been looking for all day... thanks man |
| 22:10.23 | Kovensky | whoa! lotsa deps D: |
| 22:10.24 | lxsameer | jpinx: ping |
| 22:10.41 | amphi | Kovensky: why not, as a matter of interest? |
| 22:11.00 | Kovensky | amphi: I don't remember; I know that when I tried it I didn't like it ;) |
| 22:11.28 | phorce1 | Kovensky: working in gnome-terminal on an Intel box here |
| 22:11.41 | Kovensky | goes install lxterminal, vte based too |
| 22:11.51 | dextervip | i did an echo on cronjob appeared "line 4: echo 3 : command not found" and on shell appear "line 4: echo 3 : command not found" why they have different responses? |
| 22:11.53 | phorce1 | Kovensky: and yes, gnome deps suck. |
| 22:11.53 | dmoerner | un: http://newpeople.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html#firstpackage also has some simpler links |
| 22:11.54 | Kovensky | with loads of less deps =p |
| 22:11.55 | danners | terminator is way cooler than gnome-terminal :P |
| 22:12.08 | dextervip | echo 0 on shell* |
| 22:12.33 | amphi | Kovensky: I didn't know about that one, I'll have a look at it, thanks |
| 22:13.10 | phorce1 | is probably about to break his new install badly by copying /home/me/* from a machine that acquired a video or ram problem yesterday |
| 22:13.16 | un | dmoerner: thanks... ur the link guy... gottem ready... |
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| 22:14.37 | dmoerner | phorce1: you definitely will break your system if you only copy /home/me/* :) |
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| 22:15.51 | phorce1 | dmoerner: heh .* |
| 22:15.55 | lxsameer | all : when i try to etch->lenny and in aptitude dist-upgrade i got this http://phpfi.com/351057 |
| 22:16.02 | lxsameer | help me |
| 22:16.48 | Kovensky | amphi: forget about it: backspace doesn't work, alt+numbers don't work too |
| 22:17.52 | phorce1 | dextervip: It should look like this http://pastebin.centos.org/22015 |
| 22:18.08 | amphi | Kovensky: backspace works here |
| 22:18.18 | Kovensky | amphi: hmm... alt+keys aren't |
| 22:18.29 | Kovensky | amphi: also, the '<' and '>' symbols beside names in irc are black |
| 22:18.32 | amphi | to do what? switch windows in irssi? |
| 22:18.39 | Kovensky | yes |
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| 22:19.51 | phorce1 | dextervip: lemme test with a quick cron brb |
| 22:20.02 | Kovensky | urxvt works better, I just wanna get rid of this fugly color scheme =p |
| 22:20.22 | themill | lxsameer: any non-debian repositories in there (backports, debian-multimedia, dotdeb etc)? |
| 22:20.31 | amphi | Kovensky: backspace b0rkage appears to be a screen thing here |
| 22:20.52 | phorce1 | dextervip: waitaminit -- where, exactly, is the cron job "echoing" to? Sending you an email of the output? |
| 22:21.17 | lxsameer | themill : at this time no but i install some package from backport and tuxfamily later |
| 22:21.29 | amphi | Kovensky: back in xfce4-term, what a relief ;) |
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| 22:22.11 | themill | lxsameer: mixing repos is usually the reason you get these sorts of problems. And if you're going to lenny, then there aren't going to be any backports available at this stage anyway. |
| 22:23.17 | lxsameer | themill : so what should i do dude? |
| 22:23.52 | Kovensky | amphi: lol |
| 22:24.01 | Kovensky | amphi: fixed rxvt's colors, looking very good now ;) |
| 22:24.32 | themill | lxsameer: there's not much of the output that you've actually shown me in that paste, but the packages that I can see listed there have been removed from debian between etch and lenny or are not in lenny (but are in sid). This means they've either been removed because their obsolete or because their really buggy |
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| 22:25.55 | lxsameer | themill : how can i solve my problem and move to lenny? |
| 22:25.57 | themill | lxsameer: The first thing I'd do is see what of them you can get rid of without causing too many problems. /msg dpkg obsolete <-- and see what you can uninstall. Also apt-cache rdepends packagename. |
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| 22:27.14 | themill | lxsameer: what's in your sources.list now? (can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy") |
| 22:27.27 | lxsameer | themill : but there is many package |
| 22:27.31 | lxsameer | yeah w8 |
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| 22:29.10 | dextervip | its here "4 OK, program is already multiple times" |
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| 22:29.38 | lxsameer | themill : http://phpfi.com/351072 fot apt-cache and http://phpfi.com/351073 for sources |
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| 22:30.02 | jpinx | lxsameer: you are suffering from not reading before doing stuff:( |
| 22:30.15 | dextervip | "2 OK, program is already multiple times" |
| 22:30.40 | themill | lxsameer: is your local mirror complete? |
| 22:30.54 | lxsameer | jpinx : so tell me what shoukd i read |
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| 22:30.59 | phorce1 | dextervip: that's when you know it's not running? (note that I inserted the echo BEFORE it has a chance to hit the test for "0") |
| 22:31.05 | lxsameer | themill : yeah |
| 22:31.13 | dextervip | i added to cronjob as user root but when admin user "0" |
| 22:32.18 | dextervip | with admin user should work but seems like cant open the application just all the time out "0" |
| 22:32.29 | `hex | I need to block some keywords which people are trying to access through internet in my company's network. keywords like porn, msn etc. how can I do that using debian? are there any avaiable software or a tutorial? |
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| 22:32.44 | themill | lxsameer: aptitude might do better at resolving things if you remove stable from your sources.list entirely and just have testing. You might also want to add testing security to the sources.list (/msg dpkg testing security) if your local mirror doesn't include those updates already. |
| 22:33.24 | phorce1 | dextervip: do you have the application rwxrwxrwx ?? It's it the /root directory so admin can't run it unless it's runnable by everyone. |
| 22:33.28 | `hex | I need to block some keywords which people are trying to access through internet in my company's network. keywords like porn, msn etc. how can I do that using debian? are there any avaiable software or a tutorial? |
| 22:33.59 | themill | lxsameer: also double check that you don't have packages listed as obsolete in the aptitude interface with your current sources.list (/msg dpkg obsolete) |
| 22:34.19 | dextervip | the application is 755 |
| 22:34.47 | phorce1 | dextervip: can you run it as admin when not in cron? |
| 22:35.39 | abrotman | !info dansguardian etch |
| 22:35.58 | dpkg | dansguardian: (Web content filtering), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.0.6-antivirus-6.4.4.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 1496 kB |
| 22:36.12 | dextervip | i dont know...i cant login on SSH as admin |
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| 22:37.04 | dextervip | but it was used to work on root directory |
| 22:37.13 | lxsameer | thmill : what should i do with those obsolete |
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| 22:37.23 | dextervip | but now that i want to put in subdirectory of root...happen this |
| 22:38.44 | LordMetroid | How do I enable non-free packages? can't find any option in the synaptic package manger |
| 22:39.03 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell LordMetroid about non-free |
| 22:39.42 | lxsameer | themill : what should i do with those obsolete |
| 22:39.44 | themill | lxsameer: with the sources.list that you showed me, anything that is in "obsolete" should probably be uninstalled as they are not debian-supplied packages |
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| 22:40.45 | lxsameer | themill : but there are some of the important package like g++ |
| 22:40.46 | lxsameer | ? |
| 22:40.53 | dextervip | the script is in subdirectory,is there any problem? |
| 22:40.56 | themill | lxsameer: there shouldn't be |
| 22:41.50 | themill | lxsameer: what's the output of apt-cache policy g++ |
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| 22:43.06 | lxsameer | themill : http://phpfi.com/351076 |
| 22:44.12 | themill | lxsameer: ahh.... you're looking at obsolete *after* you've removed stable from your sources.list. That makes more sense. Does aptitude dist-upgrade resolve things more elegantly now? |
| 22:44.36 | phorce1 | dextervip: It would seem to be a permissions problem on the script then. Maybe the subdirectory also needs to be drwxr-xr-x |
| 22:45.20 | dextervip | i moved the script to root |
| 22:45.28 | dextervip | now it return 0 |
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| 22:45.47 | dextervip | but doesnt open the application |
| 22:45.50 | lxsameer | themill : i remove stable from sources.list |
| 22:46.04 | dextervip | the folder premission is 777 |
| 22:46.20 | phorce1 | dextervip: what are the permissions on the application |
| 22:46.32 | dextervip | 755 |
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| 22:47.06 | phorce1 | You need to find a way to log in as admin and try to run it from the command line to see what error it returns |
| 22:47.11 | LrdMtrod | dpkg non-free sources |
| 22:47.12 | dpkg | non-free sources is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 22:47.26 | abrotman | !tell LrdMtrod about msg the bot |
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| 22:47.33 | LrdMtrod | Sorryy |
| 22:47.33 | phorce1 | dextervip: If you're logged in as root now just su to admin |
| 22:47.44 | lxsameer | themill : that result is for when i removed stable |
| 22:48.01 | themill | lxsameer: Does aptitude dist-upgrade resolve things more elegantly now? |
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| 22:48.30 | lxsameer | themill : no the same problem |
| 22:48.39 | themill | :( |
| 22:48.54 | dextervip | actually root is retuning the value 0 but doesnt open as well admin |
| 22:49.23 | lxsameer | themill : should i remove obsolutes |
| 22:49.25 | phorce1 | dextervip: does it open from the command line? |
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| 22:50.00 | dextervip | no |
| 22:50.06 | dextervip | just "0" |
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| 22:50.40 | lxsameer | themill : or downgrade them |
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| 22:51.06 | themill | lxsameer: no downgrading should be required. In fact, with that sources.list, downgrading shouldn't be possible. |
| 22:51.08 | phorce1 | dextervip: runn the app WITHOUT the test script. Does it run or return an error? |
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| 22:51.56 | dextervip | cd samp1>./samp1 then "Started on port......" |
| 22:51.59 | dextervip | its fine |
| 22:52.01 | lxsameer | themill : what about downgrade after adding stable |
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| 22:52.17 | geoffrey__ | hi all |
| 22:52.30 | themill | lxsameer: but if you're currently running stable, there still shouldn't be anything to downgrade to |
| 22:52.49 | geoffrey__ | there is someone for help me to configure mym Wifi card ? |
| 22:53.09 | LordMetroid | Why is there not java6 but only java5 avialble? |
| 22:53.13 | geoffrey__ | my chipset is a rt2870sta |
| 22:53.20 | themill | dpkg: tell LordMetroid about backports.org |
| 22:53.32 | themill | LordMetroid: as I said earlier, java6 is on backports.org |
| 22:53.55 | lxsameer | themill : so what should i do :-( |
| 22:53.59 | LordMetroid | ohh, didn't understand what backports.org was |
| 22:54.21 | phorce1 | dextervip: your script is trying to run /root/samp1/samp022svr not /root/samp1/samp1 |
| 22:54.39 | dextervip | but i changed it |
| 22:54.54 | dextervip | changed samp002svr to samp1 |
| 22:55.01 | dextervip | im not so noob :P |
| 22:55.40 | dextervip | case $PROCESS_COUNT in 0) /root/samp1/samp1 & |
| 22:56.33 | phorce1 | dextervip: Then I really have no idea why it won't run from the script. |
| 22:56.45 | geoffrey__ | i have a ralink chipset Wifi N series |
| 22:57.08 | dextervip | oh god damn linux....and now if i move it to root then it run ! |
| 22:57.09 | geoffrey__ | i can make iwlist and i see my AP but icannot assiciated with she ? |
| 22:57.19 | geoffrey__ | i didnt understand why i cannot |
| 22:57.27 | geoffrey__ | so i see with iwlist |
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| 22:57.44 | geoffrey__ | the driver is rt2870sta |
| 22:58.20 | Ian_Daniher | sighs |
| 22:58.45 | Ian_Daniher | I think I'm going to swap etch for lenny, as etch(while beautifully stable), doesn't have the latest devel libs for most things |
| 22:58.49 | Ian_Daniher | and I miss FF3 |
| 22:59.04 | Ian_Daniher | switched from ubuntu to etch... six months ago |
| 22:59.10 | Ian_Daniher | and just started coding more |
| 22:59.16 | themill | lxsameer: I'm not sure at this stage. From your sources.list, I'm assuming that you've got some non-debian packages in there from tuxfamily. I'd be looking to remove or downgrade those packages before trying to upgrade. |
| 23:00.33 | themill | Ian_Daniher: latest libraries aren't really that helpful for developers... if you rely on the latest then you also require your users to have the latest... code for lenny and then your users can't use etch; code for etch and your users can be on etch or lenny... |
| 23:00.47 | dextervip | well but really thanks for help me phorce1 |
| 23:01.01 | Ian_Daniher | themill: it's not me who's doing the coding - it's a couple other developers on the project |
| 23:01.16 | Ian_Daniher | and, for example, pygtksourceview isn't even availible in the default etch repositories |
| 23:01.21 | Ian_Daniher | that's my biggest quarrel right now |
| 23:01.42 | phorce1 | says ewww -- yuck. Ugly fonts on fresh install --- but, on the bright side, copying /home/me/.mozilla-thunderbird seems to have worked to move my settings for 17 IMAP accounts I'd hate to have to rebuild. |
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| 23:02.21 | Ian_Daniher | themill: any idea how I'd resolve my need for pygtksourceview, and desire for ff3? |
| 23:02.31 | Ian_Daniher | there's probably a ff3-on-etch howto |
| 23:02.36 | themill | Ian_Daniher: upgrade to lenny.... |
| 23:02.44 | themill | !firefox 3 etch |
| 23:02.44 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...) |
| 23:03.16 | Ian_Daniher | themill: I think I'm going to swap etch for lenny, as etch(while beautifully stable), doesn't have the latest devel libs for most things |
| 23:03.19 | themill | Ian_Daniher: ^^ not that easy to do. And backporting newer python things can be tricky too if they are at all complex as the python packaging has changed a lot |
| 23:03.24 | themill | Ian_Daniher: :) |
| 23:03.26 | Ian_Daniher | I was planning on changing to lenny |
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| 23:03.55 | Ian_Daniher | are there any lenny users who can give a +/-1 to comparitive stability? |
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| 23:04.25 | themill | Ian_Daniher: most people who come in here complaining about etch being old just need a good larting and are told to get over it. It seems like you might actually be in a position where it is an advantage to you to run lenny though. |
| 23:04.41 | beardy | agrees. |
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| 23:04.48 | phorce1 | Ian_Daniher: no *major* problems in the last 6 or 8 months. |
| 23:04.51 | themill | Ian_Daniher: mrs themill runs lenny. it's fine for stability but /msg dpkg moving target |
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| 23:04.55 | Ian_Daniher | I don't mind old, in fact, old means well documented and very stable(which I love) |
| 23:05.02 | themill | indeed |
| 23:05.37 | Ian_Daniher | I started using etch for my server a while back, and I've had to reboot my router more than my server :D |
| 23:05.56 | themill | thinks we should have more of the good old fashioned lartings... |
| 23:06.10 | beardy | agrees again. |
| 23:06.17 | themill | :) |
| 23:06.31 | phorce1 | Ian_Daniher: Just watch the bug reports when doing dialy upgrades and carefully choose whether you REALLY need to upgrade something TODAY that has a bug listed. Also, get used to using aptitude rather than apt-get. It seems to provide more info during its runs. |
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| 23:06.54 | beardy | Running etch, he's already using aptitude, we hope. |
| 23:06.57 | phorce1 | s/dialy/daily/ |
| 23:07.24 | phorce1 | beardy: I still use apt-get on all my etch boxes. Force of habit. |
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| 23:07.37 | themill | beardy: I see a little of myself in the old bofh stories "A luser complained they'd run out of space on the server so I rm'd all their files for them".... |
| 23:07.42 | beardy | There is a lart around the corner. |
| 23:08.07 | themill | Ian_Daniher: /msg dpkg apt-listchanges ; /msg dpkg apt-listbugs |
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| 23:08.52 | beardy | phorce1: It's a strong one. I fell in love with aptitudes interactive interface as soon as I used it. |
| 23:09.00 | Ian_Daniher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.10 | Ian_Daniher | oops, sorry about that |
| 23:09.16 | phorce1 | like the list of bugs just before aptitude actually does anything. Lets me kill it then upgrade the non-buggy files by hand |
| 23:09.32 | phorce1 | beardy: I do not use the gui |
| 23:09.41 | phorce1 | beardy: ever |
| 23:10.01 | themill | phorce1: when you break things really badly, it can be handy |
| 23:10.17 | beardy | phorce1: It's still nice, as you said yourself. No, not necessary, but I like to browse the packagelist sometimes. |
| 23:10.38 | phorce1 | themill: That's what a scrollback buffer is for. ;-) |
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| 23:11.17 | phorce1 | beardy: I actually have synaptic installed for browsing the package list --- but I kill it and use aptitude if I see something I want to play with. |
| 23:11.19 | themill | phorce1: no, I mean needing to remove a hundred or so packages and install dozens of others all in the one operation. Not pleasant to do at the cli even with tab completion |
| 23:11.46 | beardy | phorce1: I see. To each their own. |
| 23:12.01 | V4Nelle | guys i have in [etc/network/interfaces] auto wlan0 ,but after boot i must do [ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0] if i want wireless work...any help? |
| 23:12.14 | Ian_Daniher | apt-listchange |
| 23:12.14 | Ian_Daniher | <dpkg> I wish you would RTFM., Ian_Daniher |
| 23:12.15 | phorce1 | themill: gpm and copy/paste |
| 23:12.15 | Ian_Daniher | lol |
| 23:12.39 | themill | Ian_Daniher: apt-listchanges not apt-listchange |
| 23:13.29 | phorce1 | themill: and I'm running lenny, not sid. I seldom break things THAT badly ;-D |
| 23:13.40 | Ian_Daniher | themill: thanks |
| 23:14.13 | themill | phorce1: you'd still need multiple trial and error aptitude runs to slowly piece together what you're trying to do whereas you can see the consequences of what you're doing and adapt the install/removals as you go. (Changing from tetex to texlive was a game like that for me on etch...) |
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| 23:17.35 | CrippsFX | I love apt-get ... mostly since I was around when dselect was still the standard interface ;) |
| 23:18.02 | rvsjoen | can aptitude do something similar to apt-cache policy ? |
| 23:18.09 | themill | heh... I remember using lynx and then rpm to do upgrade on RHL. Yuck. |
| 23:18.19 | CrippsFX | themill, yuck indeed. |
| 23:18.23 | Ian_Daniher | egad! http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html |
| 23:18.41 | Ian_Daniher | am I understanding properly that that's a list of all confirmed release-blocking bugs? |
| 23:19.28 | phorce1 | needs to figure out what's causing delayed dns lookups now. ~5 - 10 seconds spent "Looking up domain.tld" every time I change browse to a different site |
| 23:19.40 | themill | Ian_Daniher: yes. currently 358 of them. But there are 672 RC bugs currently in etch, so don't stress too much. |
| 23:19.52 | Ian_Daniher | ah, ok |
| 23:19.53 | Ian_Daniher | haha |
| 23:19.58 | CrippsFX | I wish that I could help, but I'm under an IP agreement, so I can't do any kernel work until june :( |
| 23:20.09 | enouf | phorce1: what's the issue? |
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| 23:20.17 | Ian_Daniher | CrippsFX: where do you work? |
| 23:20.25 | CrippsFX | Ian_Daniher, qnx software. |
| 23:20.28 | Ian_Daniher | that's a fairly sucky IP agreement |
| 23:20.41 | enouf | phorce1: DNS woes? i don't know |
| 23:20.42 | CrippsFX | well, it's only because redhat could pick up the patches. |
| 23:20.43 | kant | hey anyone here use zd1211rw wireless drivers? |
| 23:20.56 | LrdMtrod | Okay, so what do I need to do to get sound working? |
| 23:21.00 | CrippsFX | ... and since redhat is a competitor on the embedded m,arket ... |
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| 23:21.27 | themill | kant: I did but since you're an impatient shit I can't help you |
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| 23:21.49 | phorce1 | enouf: slow lookups. I've changed resolv.conf to point to known servers but it's still slow. I may actually do a reboot soon, I've made a LOT of changes. |
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| 23:22.31 | enouf | phorce1: netstat -tunap as root? |
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| 23:23.02 | enouf | phorce1: lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' |
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| 23:24.17 | pothibo | How do I add port 8080 to my iptables ? |
| 23:25.26 | phorce1 | enouf: nothing major hogging tcp |
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| 23:26.15 | phorce1 | enouf: And it'll get more interesting when I plug in the other network and start trying to make one preferred over the other. |
| 23:26.18 | themill | phorce1: duff name server is usually the cause of that (timeout then try the next one) |
| 23:26.46 | themill | df -h |
| 23:26.51 | themill | gah |
| 23:27.03 | pothibo | iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT is okay ? |
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| 23:27.20 | phorce1 | themill: This machine has cycles to spare. I may build a full name server on here |
| 23:27.32 | enouf | pothibo: #iptables |
| 23:27.36 | wols_ | pothibo: why do you think you need a packetfilter? |
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| 23:27.41 | Piper69 | xoz: i tried everything and still can't get it to work |
| 23:28.07 | pothibo | wols_: why is that any of your business? |
| 23:28.19 | enouf | pothibo: hahaha |
| 23:28.27 | enouf | pothibo: you weenie |
| 23:28.29 | wols_ | pothibo: I study fools.academic interest |
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| 23:28.42 | pothibo | enouf: weenie? what does that mean? |
| 23:28.55 | enouf | pothibo: it means you suck cock |
| 23:28.59 | pothibo | wols_: I'm glad you do. |
| 23:29.14 | Piper69 | wols_: do you have any suggestion for me. |
| 23:29.15 | wols_ | pothibo: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weenie |
| 23:29.26 | pothibo | enouf: go wash your mouth with soap |
| 23:29.28 | wols_ | Piper69: I had one long ago |
| 23:29.50 | Piper69 | wols_: i missed it sorry, what was it? |
| 23:29.53 | enouf | pothibo: you asked |
| 23:29.53 | Kovensky | enouf: =p |
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| 23:31.11 | pothibo | enouf, wols_: I'm glad I met you two.. reminds me there's idiot out there |
| 23:31.29 | Piper69 | [13:57]<wols_>[#debian] Piper69: is your WLAN associated to the AP? <---- is that it?! |
| 23:31.38 | phorce1 | themill: http://paste.debian.net/16564/ |
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| 23:33.07 | pothibo | I ran this: iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT but it seems my port 8080 is still blocked, any idea why ? |
| 23:33.32 | wols_ | pothibo: thank you for confirming the weekday |
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| 23:33.58 | Piper69 | pothibo: are you behind a router ? |
| 23:34.01 | phorce1 | wols_: Wait, it's not sunday yet |
| 23:34.15 | pothibo | Piper69: I run the command from my router... |
| 23:34.15 | wols_ | it is. |
| 23:34.18 | beardy | Not in his timezone. |
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| 23:34.36 | Piper69 | pothibo: which router? |
| 23:34.37 | beardy | So it's rather you, that confirms it.. |
| 23:34.39 | beardy | runs |
| 23:34.47 | peterS | Piper69: is anything currently using the wireless capability of your ER? from my understanding, the only thing currently using it is the IR, and that is through a wired ethernet cable |
| 23:34.56 | phorce1 | wols_: ahh, across the dateline from me |
| 23:35.17 | wols_ | peterS: what is ER and IR? |
| 23:35.51 | peterS | wols_: he has two APs that he has named ER and IR for the purpose of discussion - 'external router', 'internal router'. he wants the debian box to connect to the ER. |
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| 23:36.18 | Piper69 | peterS: no, IR is connected to Er thru ethernet cable yes. but my windows ( i am using right now to chat with you guys here) is thru wireless from IR |
| 23:36.19 | wols_ | thank you |
| 23:36.35 | icedtea | can someone help me with winbind and wbinfo? |
| 23:36.40 | peterS | Piper69: so we have no evidence that the ER is running DHCP through 802.11 at all, then. I wonder if maybe it is not? |
| 23:36.45 | icedtea | I'm not getting any users with wbinfo -u |
| 23:37.08 | Piper69 | peterS: it is |
| 23:37.39 | peterS | Piper69: but we have no evidence that this is working. we know that 'iwlist scan' can see the AP with the correct ESSID, channel, encryption mode, etc., but that is all we know about it |
| 23:38.11 | Piper69 | peterS: give me i sec and i will prove it |
| 23:38.25 | peterS | Piper69: what I'm getting at is that you might try disabling WEP, then trying to connect to the AP using a static IP in the appropriate range |
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| 23:39.35 | warbo | Hi, I've installed via debootstrap and I have a network address and can browse the web, but I can't access any local servers. For example, trying to connect to a local apache times out. Any ideas what I've forgotten to configure? |
| 23:39.50 | Dacs | peterS: this is Piper69 from ER |
| 23:40.26 | Dacs | peterS: and i am connected wireless to ER. |
| 23:40.46 | peterS | it gave you a reasonable 10.* IP address, then? |
| 23:41.24 | Dacs | peterS: yes |
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| 23:41.48 | peterS | disconnect, disable WEP, go to your debian box, and set it up for a static IP using that IP |
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| 23:42.17 | peterS | I mean the IP, netmask, and gateway that you get from the windows command 'ipconfig' |
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| 23:42.30 | Dacs | peterS: i already disabled WEP, shudown the box and restart it. |
| 23:42.34 | peterS | or maybe 'ipconfig/all', I forget what info regular 'ipconfig' shows |
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| 23:43.09 | Dacs | peterS: i will try setting static ip but i already did that the other day |
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| 23:43.38 | Dacs | peterS: yes i am getting the right D GW and subnet mask |
| 23:43.43 | peterS | the point is, xoz or someone already suggested using pump instead of dhcp3-client, so using a static IP is yet another thing to try and if it works it will allow you to use aptitude |
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| 23:44.13 | Piper69 | peterS: true |
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| 23:45.07 | peterS | now you can still get pump_*.deb onto your debian box by downloading it on windows and transferring via floppy or USB stick ... but it's so much easier if you can just have a live network on debian |
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| 23:46.31 | LrdMtrod | process 3318: applications must not close shared connections |
| 23:46.52 | LrdMtrod | Trying to automount my usb memory stick and gets that. What do one do about that? |
| 23:47.36 | Piper69 | auto eth0 |
| 23:47.38 | Piper69 | iface eth0 inet static |
| 23:47.40 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.41 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.43 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.45 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.47 | Piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.57 | Dacs | so is this is right |
| 23:48.05 | peterS | Piper69: right, 'network' and 'broadcast' are redundant, ifup can figure them out from the others. just fyi. |
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| 23:49.20 | Dacs | peterS: but there is no problem to put them , no! |
| 23:49.27 | peterS | correct |
| 23:49.34 | Dacs | brb |
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| 23:54.04 | warbo | what configuration files do I need in order to connect to servers on localhost? I'm on the 'net fine, but I can't access a local apache web site, jabber server, etc. Those servers have their default configs. |
| 23:54.13 | LrdMtrod | Okay, sound works I did a speaker-test -t sine and it works correctly... But how do I get sound on my user as well? |
| 23:54.18 | LrdMtrod | Not only in root? |
| 23:54.31 | peterS | LrdMtrod: 'adduser yourself audio' |
| 23:54.39 | peterS | LrdMtrod: then log back in, the setting only takes effect at login time |
| 23:54.47 | LrdMtrod | okay brb |
| 23:54.52 | simonrvn | peterS: hey dude |
| 23:54.55 | Throat | warbo, none... there is no restriction to connect to localhost |
| 23:54.57 | peterS | yo simon |
| 23:55.02 | Throat | he's the dude? |
| 23:55.49 | warbo | I mean things like /etc/hosts, something I would need to configure (I installed minimally via debootstrap) |
| 23:55.53 | simonrvn | peterS: how you been? ltns |
| 23:55.54 | octox2 | most 64 bit apps in the repos arent actually rewriten for 64bit CPU's right? so at this point, is it save to say that the 32 bit stuff will still be a little faster ? |
| 23:55.55 | wols_ | warbo: nothing normally |
| 23:55.56 | Throat | warbo, perhaps the servers don't connect on the 'lo' interface - apache might not |
| 23:56.11 | wols_ | warbo: you have to change something to make localhost not work |
| 23:56.13 | wols_ | Throat: no |
| 23:56.30 | Throat | wols_, he sais localhost *does* not work |
| 23:56.39 | warbo | aha! I have no lo interface |
| 23:56.46 | wols_ | Throat: yes, but apache default listens on 0.0.0.0 |
| 23:56.53 | warbo | I'll ad it to interfaces and see what happens |
| 23:56.54 | Throat | warbo, well, that was it then |
| 23:56.56 | simonrvn | well, that'll cause problems... |
| 23:56.57 | wols_ | warbo: ýou're lucky you could boot |
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| 23:57.15 | wols_ | warbo: put it into your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:57.27 | wols_ | octox2: how would they have been rewritten? |
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| 23:57.39 | LrdMtrod | Cool now it works. |
| 23:57.46 | extor | Is there any package in etch which I can use to monitor all the PIDs currently running and then kill a PID which is stuck at say...100% CPU util for 5 minutes? |
| 23:57.57 | Throat | what's booting got to do with it? |
| 23:58.14 | AljosHa | extor good question, i wanted to ask same ;P |
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| 23:58.18 | warbo | /etc/network/interfaces is empty in a debootstrap install, seems I only added eth0 and wlan0 |
| 23:58.19 | AljosHa | maybe it is posible with limits.conf to do smth |
| 23:58.21 | Throat | kernel gets up before there is any such thing as an interface |
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| 23:58.44 | octox2 | wols_: maybe rewriten to use the added registers that are available with the 64bit stuff? not sure, im just trying to figure it all out myself |
| 23:59.09 | wols_ | octox2: that would be a compiler optimization and done automatically |
| 23:59.17 | Throat | extor, "top"? :-P |
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| 23:59.22 | octox2 | wols_: or is it only large programs that use more than 2 gig of ram and do a lot of floating point calcs that benefit ? |
| 23:59.33 | Dacs | peterS: nope, no luck |
| 23:59.34 | extor | throat automatic, not manual |
| 23:59.42 | wols_ | Throat: many daemons get severely unhappy when there is no lo |
| 23:59.45 | Throat | extor, I don't think so... |
