| 00:00.08 | cchanc1 | well not really an ip but its dynmic |
| 00:00.17 | n3kl | cchanc1: you're the joomla guy, right? |
| 00:00.21 | lymeca | n3kl: I have to run "mknod /dev/fuse c 10 229" |
| 00:00.22 | n3kl | you changed nics |
| 00:00.29 | lymeca | Then chmod o+rw /dev/fuse |
| 00:00.33 | lymeca | both as root |
| 00:00.33 | cchanc1 | oh |
| 00:00.37 | lymeca | EVERY time I reboot |
| 00:00.42 | n3kl | lymeca: why? |
| 00:00.51 | lymeca | I don't know, that's why I'm here. |
| 00:01.20 | n3kl | lymeca: what happens if you just mount -t sshfs dood@somewhere:/ /mnt/ |
| 00:01.22 | lymeca | also the fuse module doesn't load |
| 00:01.23 | Texou | Eulex: ok. and for a user who used glibc-2.6, how could it upgrade to 2.7 without re-installing everything? I wonder the same things for gcc: how is it possible to go from gcc 3.4.3 to gcc 4..1 without re-installing? |
| 00:01.33 | n3kl | lymeca: so load it |
| 00:01.55 | lymeca | mount: unknown filesystem type 'sshfs' |
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| 00:02.08 | n3kl | lymeca: you should not really need to create nodes in /dev |
| 00:02.10 | Eulex | Texou, because 2.7 is backwards compatible with 2.6. |
| 00:02.22 | n3kl | lymeca: try loading the module, it should create the device for you |
| 00:02.29 | Eulex | Texou, how is version of gcc related to anything? |
| 00:02.36 | lymeca | # modprobe fuse |
| 00:02.43 | lymeca | # lsmod | grep fuse |
| 00:02.43 | lymeca | fuse 49200 0 |
| 00:02.57 | lymeca | # ls /dev/fuse |
| 00:02.57 | lymeca | ls: /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
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| 00:03.41 | Texou | Eulex: because I suppose upgrading gcc without upgrading the glibc is not a good idea. The 2 packages are a bit "linked". No? |
| 00:04.07 | Texou | Eulex: some developpers include them in a "toolchain" |
| 00:04.11 | n3kl | dva-5912: have you tested it |
| 00:04.21 | n3kl | lymeca: modprobe fuse ? |
| 00:04.33 | n3kl | lymeca: or /etc/init.d/fuse start |
| 00:04.37 | dva-5912 | n3kl, yes. the first entry only works |
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| 00:04.58 | lymeca | n3kl: I have no /etc/init.d/fuse |
| 00:05.00 | Eulex | Texou, they're not really linked, no. |
| 00:05.17 | Texou | Eulex: ah ok |
| 00:05.53 | n3kl | dva-5912: whats the hostname? |
| 00:06.13 | n3kl | lymeca: aptitude search fuse | grep ^i |
| 00:06.41 | lymeca | i fuse-utils - Filesystem in USErspace (utilities) |
| 00:06.41 | lymeca | i libfuse2 - Filesystem in USErspace library |
| 00:07.29 | dva-5912 | n3kl, url(s) you mean |
| 00:07.32 | dva-5912 | ?? |
| 00:07.43 | n3kl | lymeca: apt-cache policy fuse-utils | grep -A 1 \* |
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| 00:07.46 | wols | Texou: no really. debian has several gccs in every brnach but only one libc6 |
| 00:07.46 | n3kl | dva-5912: yes |
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| 00:08.02 | Eulex | Texou, there are some cases where gcc can provide it's own version of a function in libc, though, or do something like calculate what the outcome of the function would be. but otherwise libc is afaik treated as any other library. |
| 00:08.21 | dva-5912 | n3kl,  donnascreations.sytes.net http://clubmckinley.hopto.org/ i just realed that the things in the config are wrong ive fixed them and they are stil not working |
| 00:08.36 | lymeca | *** 2.5.3-4.4 0 |
| 00:08.37 | lymeca | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.44 | Texou | Eulex: ok I understand |
| 00:08.45 | lymeca | n3kl: ^ |
| 00:08.56 | dva-5912 | n3kl, http://debian.pastebin.org/56525 revised with new urls |
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| 00:11.17 | Texou | Eulex: so the main problem in upgrading a system is glibc with other packages. Because if I go from glibc 2..5 to 2.6, how will a package dynamically built find functions it used? because I guess these functions change... |
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| 00:11.46 | Eulex | Texou, it does that the dynamical way by looking up the function in the symbol table in the shared object? |
| 00:11.57 | Eulex | *dynamic |
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| 00:12.20 | dva-5912 | n3kl, on windows i hade this working |
| 00:12.26 | dva-5912 | it used apache as well |
| 00:12.31 | mickeymouse | anyone know the name of the pkg for plasma devel libs? |
| 00:12.39 | Texou | Eulex: some programs do that yes |
| 00:12.42 | dva-5912 | along with miniportal |
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| 00:12.54 | beardy | mickeymouse: /msg dpkg search |
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| 00:13.22 | Eulex | Texou, that's the standard way of using a shared object. you do not hardcode an offset into them or something. you refer to the function, variable or whatever, by *name* |
| 00:13.27 | mickeymouse | beardy: don't have a debian at hand, but wnat to know the name for a debian |
| 00:14.08 | mickeymouse | beardy: oh /msg lol nvm |
| 00:14.37 | beardy | mickeymouse: Some KDE thing? |
| 00:14.52 | Eulex | mickeymouse, it's only in experimental. |
| 00:14.53 | beardy | mickeymouse: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=plasma&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all anyway |
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| 00:15.10 | Texou | Eulex: it means that normally, even if I change glibc, every program can find functions it used? |
| 00:15.12 | themill | !info libplasma-dev experimental |
| 00:15.20 | dpkg | libplasma-dev: (development files for the KDE 4 Plasma desktop), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4:4.0.98-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 900 kB |
| 00:15.45 | dva-5912 | maby i have a static ip |
| 00:15.47 | mickeymouse | beardy: *sheers |
| 00:15.49 | dva-5912 | how can i tell |
| 00:15.53 | mickeymouse | *cheers |
| 00:16.02 | Eulex | Texou, yes. and for every other shared object/library, as long as the ABI and API is the same |
| 00:16.04 | beardy | Hehe |
| 00:16.12 | Eulex | or well, backwards-compatible at least |
| 00:16.42 | Texou | Eulex: very interesting |
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| 00:17.25 | Eulex | Texou, the C ABI used on linux is very stable, so for C applications it's mostly the API that is interesting |
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| 00:17.51 | Texou | ok |
| 00:18.24 | Eulex | a little simplified, it's about providing the same functions with the same parameters |
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| 00:19.02 | Texou | Eulex: so for instance if I upgrade glibc 2.5 to 2.6, links, lynx, vi or some other packages will be able to run right? |
| 00:19.02 | beardy | dva-5912: Have you a working connection at the machine in question? |
| 00:19.15 | dva-5912 | beardy, over ssh |
| 00:19.49 | Eulex | Texou, most applications will work just fine. there might be some exceptions, but those use 'special' functions from glibc. |
| 00:19.58 | beardy | dva-5912: If you don't know, you are most likely getting it via dhcp, wheither it's static or not. |
| 00:20.04 | n3kl | lymeca: little late response, but this is where I can't help you. I am using the fuse from backports, so you might try that. then do apt-get -t install fuse-utils |
| 00:20.12 | n3kl | !tell lymeca about backports |
| 00:20.17 | Texou | Eulex: very cool |
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| 00:20.55 | dva-5912 | beardy, i think im getting tired. No the machine is on a router. which is connected to the cable modem |
| 00:21.09 | n3kl | dva-5912: is it really donnascreations.no-ip.net ? |
| 00:21.21 | Eulex | good night |
| 00:21.26 | dva-5912 | http://donnascreations.sytes.net/ |
| 00:21.30 | dva-5912 | no |
| 00:21.34 | dva-5912 | i changed that though |
| 00:22.23 | n3kl | dva-5912: http://debian.pastebin.org/56525 says no-ip.net |
| 00:22.41 | beardy | dva-5912: This router, most likely hands out a 192.168.x.x address to your machine. |
| 00:22.43 | n3kl | regardless, did you copy the config from youe "windows" install? |
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| 00:23.28 | dva-5912 | n3kl, the part in question is prtty much just the same as the one on the server. http://debian.pastebin.org/56526 <<update |
| 00:23.46 | dva-5912 | n3kl, maby i should copy the whole config? |
| 00:24.07 | beardy | dva-5912: You have forgotten an "N", atleast. |
| 00:24.16 | Texou | Eulex: last situation. I change a CPU from a 32 to 64 bits. To have 64 bits handled, I've to upgrade to glibc 2.6, and upgrading all the packages to build a release which would work with 64 bits. Upgrading only jlibc isn't enough right? |
| 00:24.54 | beardy | He went to bed Texou. |
| 00:25.16 | Texou | beardy: ah ok :D |
| 00:25.21 | Texou | didn't see |
| 00:25.30 | dva-5912 | Guys hold please im going o try something |
| 00:25.30 | BB|AtWork | Texou you should just reinstall your distro with a 64bit version |
| 00:25.48 | Wyzard | Texou: For 64-bit support you have to be running a 64-bit OS |
| 00:26.03 | Wyzard | Texou: Installing a newer glibc on a 32-bit Debian won't make it capable of running 64-bit software |
| 00:26.04 | Texou | ok |
| 00:26.13 | Wyzard | Texou: Install 64-bit Debian instead |
| 00:26.22 | Texou | ok |
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| 00:28.05 | wols | Texou: you must reinstall. amd64 is another platform |
| 00:28.21 | beardy | Texou: The other way is possible though. If you install the 64-bit system, it's possible to run 32-bit programs. (Though usually you don't have to of course, but in special cases, it's possible.) |
| 00:28.23 | helo_ | is there anything that is similar to gkrellm as far as showing lots of throughput info in a compact window? |
| 00:28.39 | wols | helo_: conky? |
| 00:28.40 | Texou | ok |
| 00:28.47 | stew | damn, i'm being forced off of lilo becuase of the initrd being too big |
| 00:28.51 | Madhat | does anyone know if the dell 1395 wireless-g card works with debian? or if anyone has gotten a xps m1330 to work with debian? |
| 00:29.02 | stew | which sucks becuase no i have to resize partitions to make a boot partition |
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| 00:30.13 | BB|AtWork | stew you probably don't need a boot partition. using a recent version of grub it was able to boot just fine on a 700gb partition with no /boot |
| 00:30.14 | helo_ | wols: i like it :D |
| 00:30.22 | stew | BB|AtWork: everything is on lvm |
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| 00:30.29 | BB|AtWork | stew oh |
| 00:30.35 | BB|AtWork | stew roffle. :) sorry then man |
| 00:31.46 | stew | oh, i have an unused pv |
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| 00:35.07 | dva-5912 | wow |
| 00:35.12 | dva-5912 | i have no idea what i did |
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| 00:35.30 | freebird | you guys, to find the user that my webserver is running with I just run ps aux | grep apache, how do I find the group that this process is from |
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| 00:35.39 | dva-5912 | it works now |
| 00:36.30 | dva-5912 | now how do i install php gd? |
| 00:36.37 | stew | freebird: ps -e -o gid,cmd | grep apache |
| 00:37.16 | stew | dva-5912: aptitude install php5-gd |
| 00:37.25 | stew | (or php4-gd) |
| 00:37.26 | Texou | well so to change cpu, it's necessary to re-install the system. It's normal |
| 00:37.44 | Texou | thanks for this information |
| 00:37.47 | dva-5912 | :) |
| 00:39.42 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:39.43 | Igneous | are there any decent video capture programs for linux? |
| 00:39.59 | Igneous | the best I can find is istanbul, and that's even kinda poopy |
| 00:40.02 | Sling | Igneous : vlc for example |
| 00:40.13 | Sling | or you mean video editing |
| 00:40.17 | Igneous | vlc does video capture? |
| 00:40.30 | Sling | yes you can hook it to any input device |
| 00:40.32 | Igneous | I want to record my desktop for some tutorials I'm going to be making |
| 00:40.34 | Sling | audio/video |
| 00:40.40 | Sling | ah |
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| 00:41.41 | dva-5912 | How to copy files |
| 00:41.44 | Sling | wink is nice |
| 00:41.50 | Sling | dva-5912 : try the cp command |
| 00:42.01 | dva-5912 | know that but what argument |
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| 00:42.09 | Sling | cp source target |
| 00:42.22 | dva-5912 | my bad. cp link |
| 00:42.27 | Sling | see 'man cp' |
| 00:42.33 | dva-5912 | k |
| 00:43.07 | dva-5912 | rack1server1:/var/www# cp -l phpmyadmin clubmckinley/phpmyadmin |
| 00:43.07 | dva-5912 | cp: omitting directory `phpmyadmin' |
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| 00:43.20 | Sling | it should be copied now |
| 00:43.30 | Sling | Igneous http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/screen-capture.html |
| 00:43.35 | dva-5912 | notice "omitting: |
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| 00:44.16 | Sling | yes its not copying the directory itself, only its contents |
| 00:44.32 | Igneous | -R |
| 00:44.32 | Igneous | dva-5912, that's the flag you want, is -R for directories.. so it will recurse into the dir |
| 00:44.46 | dva-5912 | link |
| 00:44.48 | dva-5912 | only link |
| 00:44.53 | Sling | then -Rl |
| 00:45.07 | Sling | but i think cp does recursion by default |
| 00:45.12 | dva-5912 | nope |
| 00:45.14 | dva-5912 | that did it |
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| 00:45.55 | Sling | ah yea i see |
| 00:45.57 | Sling | anyway bedtime |
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| 00:47.32 | ninjaslim | theoreticaly if you wanted to, couldn't you just build your own custom debian packages from source and achieve the same effects you would on Gentoo or similar distribution? |
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| 00:48.56 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: yes, though it's much more work |
| 00:49.51 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: i know about that, i was just wondering, would you still be able to limit dependencies and such or no? |
| 00:50.22 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: I don't know what you mean by "limit dependencies" |
| 00:51.44 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: well say as you disable features you a lot of time reduce the number of dependencies that a package needs, so would the custom package with custom features require a smaller set of dependencies as it would say on FreeBSD or Gentoo, or would it require the generic set |
| 00:52.17 | Texou | eulex said to me a C program can work even with a glibc update. is it right for a c++ package? can it work after a glibc update? |
| 00:53.12 | kommodore | does debian compile fluxbox with imlib2 support? |
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| 00:53.15 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: If you're modifying a source package to use different compile-time options, you can modify its dependency list too |
| 00:53.23 | wols | Texou: yes. what's the point of all those questions? |
| 00:53.25 | ninjaslim | Texou: should be able to do |
| 00:54.04 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: Library dependencies are often generated automatically by scanning the compiled output, by a program called dpkg-shlibdeps, so if that's all you changed in the compile options, you might not even need to manually adjust the dependency list |
| 00:55.11 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: ahh i see, i really like Debian and FreeBSD, but i like FreeBSD for its flexibility, for certain packages i use a different feature set than default so less dependencies, i just wanted to know how easy it'd be to accomplish the same on Debian, but thanks that explains a lot of it |
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| 00:56.00 | Texou | wols: oh hard but I'll try to explain. I test an lfs system.. The book says I need re-install all the system if I want to upgrade glibc (i.e 2.5 to 2.6...). But if I can re-build a base system, I dont want to do that for all other packages (beyond lfs). So I'm searching for a solution to upgrade glibc (after my system is built for 64 bits), without re-building all the system.. |
| 00:56.00 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: You might be interested in the apt-src package |
| 00:56.09 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: but I haven't used it myself so I don't know if it's any good |
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| 00:56.47 | wols | Texou: we do not support LFS. please ask elsewhere |
| 00:57.15 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: hmm i'll take a look at it, by the way have you used file-rc? |
| 00:57.35 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: I've tried file-rc, but I removed it because I didn't like it |
| 00:57.42 | Texou | wols: I dont ask about lfs but about general way of dealing with packages. Because I'd like to do as Debian: upgrading without re-installing everything |
| 00:57.55 | wols | Texou: we still don't support it, debian only. please ask elsewhere |
| 00:58.22 | wols | and you've been told already: you canoot do that in debian. 64bit is a different platform. reinstall is the ONLY way |
| 00:58.27 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: i see, i wonder how good the BSD-style init implementation is, i really love the BSD-style init system, especially rc.conf, i suppose that's runlevel.conf in file-rc, but what exactly didn't you liek about it? |
| 00:58.33 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: hmm, no, nevermind, that's a different package I was thinking of |
| 00:58.39 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: I know about file-rc but I haven't used it |
| 00:59.00 | Texou | Debian is a good example for me. I try understanding how Debian works, in details. |
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| 00:59.16 | Nyle | how about using a 64bit kernel and then bootstrapping a 64bit or maybe sticking with 64bit kernel and rest of it is 32bit |
| 00:59.22 | Nyle | you don't think thats possible? |
| 00:59.39 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: oh ok, well that's something for me to try then, thanks |
| 00:59.53 | wols | 64bit kernel+32bit userland is possible and the bootstrap option is a reinstall |
| 00:59.58 | ninjaslim | Nyle: that's possible |
| 01:00.05 | Wyzard | Texou: You can upgrade Debian without reinstalling, but 32-bit to 64-bit is not an "upgrade" |
| 01:00.10 | ninjaslim | but what's the point? |
| 01:00.19 | Wyzard | Texou: It's a completely different platform |
| 01:00.19 | Nyle | well yes, it is a reinstall on the 2nd option |
| 01:00.19 | Nyle | ninjaslim, use more memory? |
| 01:00.20 | wols | 64bit kernel+32bit userland is still a 32bit install btw |
| 01:00.25 | ninjaslim | of a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland |
| 01:00.26 | Nyle | oh is it? |
| 01:00.41 | Wyzard | Nyle: though you can at least put a 64-bit chroot in it |
| 01:00.44 | Ace2016_- | why do you want a 32bit userland? |
| 01:00.48 | ninjaslim | yeah i'd assume that it woulnd't be able to access 4GB of RAM even though the kernel can |
| 01:00.49 | Nyle | Wyzard, yeh, thats what I meant |
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| 01:00.53 | Texou | Wyzard: ok. I understand for this last point. Thanks |
| 01:01.03 | wols | a single process can still only access 5GB |
| 01:01.04 | Ace2016_- | why not a 32bit chroot? |
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| 01:01.14 | wols | 4GB. and the userland cannot access the additional registers either |
| 01:01.30 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, that is a much better option, but he doesn't want to reinstall, but then agian without reinstall its not possile |
| 01:01.36 | Nyle | the only other option is what I already suggested |
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| 01:02.01 | Ace2016_- | coul you not reinstall all packages after switching the sources.list? |
| 01:02.02 | Nyle | now he knows, can make his decision on which route to take |
| 01:02.13 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:02.17 | Nyle | if you have balls of steele |
| 01:02.20 | Nyle | and time |
| 01:02.38 | Nyle | its not worth the troubel to try and figure out, just reinstall |
| 01:02.50 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: no, because as soon as you start replacing 32-bit libraries with 64-bit versions of those same libraries, your 32-bit binaries stop working |
| 01:03.27 | Nyle | though you can set up a chroot 64 bit, and just install everything there, get it ready, and then reboot into it |
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| 01:03.45 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: and besides, sources.list doesn't even specify i386 vs. amd64 anyway (apt knows that part already; you can't change it in the configuration) |
| 01:03.46 | Nyle | and keep your 32bit partition as a 32bit chroot inside of 64bit |
| 01:04.08 | Texou | Wyzard: then I wanted to know, on my future 64 bits, how the new Debian 64-bits would deal with upgrades of important packages. I think I start having an idea now thanks what I was said to |
| 01:04.32 | Wyzard | Texou: 64-bit Debian works the same way as 32-bit Debian |
| 01:04.40 | Wyzard | Texou: You use apt to install updates just like you always have |
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| 01:05.00 | Corwin | my 32 bit doesn't work do I can't run wine :( |
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| 01:05.21 | Corwin | but now I don;t get memalloc errors with 64 bit :) |
| 01:05.33 | unixSnob | when you folks talk of "32 bit userland" what does that mean? the apps? |
| 01:05.36 | Ace2016_- | i was thinking more lik using a livecd and using chroot to force the change, would that not work? |
| 01:05.40 | Nyle | unixSnob, yes |
| 01:05.42 | Wyzard | unixSnob: programs and shared libraries |
| 01:06.33 | Texou | Wyzard: yeah. I tried to understand the details behind apt :) how developpers manage to Keep packages consistence :) because when updating glibc... I thought it was hard for all packages |
| 01:06.39 | Nyle | all the ways to isntall debian are covered in the install guide |
| 01:06.49 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: If you boot a 64-bit liveCD, you can install a 64-bit Debian userland in a chroot directory on your hard drive, using debootstrap |
| 01:06.56 | Texou | I start understanding |
| 01:06.59 | unixSnob | okay thanks... i'm kinda getting into the same thing here.. I was told to install the AMD version of Debian on intel chips if I want 64bit |
| 01:07.15 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: but chroot doesn't help you turn your existing 32-bit installation into a 64-bit installation |
| 01:07.30 | Wyzard | unixSnob: Yes, that's correct |
| 01:07.35 | Nyle | unixSnob, its not the amd version, its called em64t |
| 01:07.59 | Nyle | unixSnob, and its just a name |
| 01:08.03 | Wyzard | unixSnob: Debian's "amd64" architecture is the same thing that other distros call "x86-64", Microsoft calls "x64", and Intel used to call "em64t" but now calls "Intel 64" |
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| 01:08.08 | jhutchins_lt | anybody here know procmail well. |
| 01:08.08 | Nyle | it doesn't mean its related in anyway to AMD |
| 01:08.12 | Nyle | kinda sorta |
| 01:08.16 | Maliuta | unixSnob: well unless you have very specific cpus ia64 won't work |
| 01:08.20 | Wyzard | It's called "AMD64" because AMD invented it (and Intel copied it) |
| 01:08.21 | Nyle | Wyzard, you could probably put this into words better than me |
| 01:08.25 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:08.27 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 01:08.39 | dva-5912 | Sorry, but how an i force it to remove a direcotry |
| 01:08.44 | Wyzard | is running AMD64 Debian on a Core 2 Duo |
| 01:08.54 | Nyle | do same as Wyzard |
| 01:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | dva-5912: force what? |
| 01:09.15 | ninjaslim | dva-5912: -f switch use it wisely though |
| 01:09.19 | Ace2016_- | intel really had no choice, unless they fork 64bit or stay stuck on 32bit or try jumping to 128bit but i'm guessing they'd be too slow |
| 01:09.20 | Wyzard | IA64 is a *different*, older 64-bit architecture from Intel, not compatible with AMD64 aka Intel 64 |
| 01:09.21 | Maliuta | dva-5912: man rm |
| 01:09.28 | Wyzard | IA64 is Itanium, aka Itanic |
| 01:09.30 | ninjaslim | IA64 is itanium architecture |
| 01:09.45 | Nyle | hahaha, itanic |
| 01:09.55 | Ace2016_- | Didn't intel have 64bit Xeons? |
| 01:09.59 | dva-5912 | i did rm -r directory and it gave r invalid |
| 01:10.18 | Ace2016_- | oh maybe they weren't x86 |
| 01:10.19 | Wyzard | (It's not actually bad, afaik, but it didn't catch on in the market because it couldn't run existing 32-bit software except through slow emulation) |
| 01:10.33 | dva-5912 | f gave the sae |
| 01:10.34 | dva-5912 | same* |
| 01:10.41 | Nyle | which one of the ones has a 32bit cpu inside a 64bit cpu |
| 01:10.44 | Nyle | some older intel proc. |
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| 01:10.59 | Nyle | is that then inteleron ;) |
| 01:11.06 | Nyle | Xeon or something |
| 01:11.09 | Wyzard | I've heard that AMD's chips have the 32-bit stuff more-or-less separate from the 64-bit stuff in the silicon |
| 01:11.13 | Maliuta | it's not like the wintel world noticed the advent of 64bit anyhow, 64bit versions of windows still aren't the norm |
| 01:11.23 | Wyzard | so in the future they could fairly easily produce a version that lacks 32-bit support, I guess |
| 01:11.50 | dva-5912 | Warning: I am able to write to the configuration file: /var/www/donnacreations/includes/configure.php. This is a potential security risk - please set the right user permissions on this file. |
| 01:11.54 | Nyle | when i first started getting into comptuers, the switch from 16 to 32bit was being made |
| 01:11.55 | dva-5912 | what do i chmod too? |
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| 01:12.12 | Nyle | from dos 3.0 onwards to windows 3.1 etc. onwards |
| 01:12.26 | Nyle | whats taking so long for the 64bit desktop martek to catch on |
| 01:12.46 | ninjaslim | Nyle: there aren't really that many benefits at the moment |
| 01:12.51 | Nyle | there should be |
| 01:12.55 | Wyzard | Nyle: lack of 64-bit Flash |
| 01:12.58 | Nyle | its twice the number of bits |
| 01:12.59 | ninjaslim | Nyle: 32-bit is ok for a majority of machines and majority of tasks |
| 01:13.00 | Nyle | Wyzard, HAHAHA |
| 01:13.01 | Maliuta | apart from speed and power |
| 01:13.07 | Nyle | nice one |
| 01:13.11 | ninjaslim | Nyle: twice the number of bits doesn't mean anything |
| 01:13.18 | Nyle | wider registers |
| 01:13.22 | ninjaslim | Nyle: and it's a common misconception that somehow that'll result in a performance increase |
| 01:13.23 | Nyle | more general purpose registers |
| 01:13.27 | Nyle | it should |
| 01:13.40 | Nyle | why doesn't it, it should be twice as powerful if nothing else, c'mon, its 2 times 32 |
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| 01:13.49 | ninjaslim | Nyle: not really |
| 01:13.50 | Ace2016_- | wouldn't using 64bits mean you can't store as much in ram? |
| 01:14.00 | Wyzard | Nyle: I'm serious... you can't load 32-bit Flash in a 64-bit browser, and a 64-bit OS would most naturaly use a 64-bit browser |
| 01:14.14 | Nyle | Wyzard, i am aware, I personaly use nspluginwrapper |
| 01:14.32 | Ace2016_- | how does the wrapper do what the browser cannot? |
| 01:14.36 | Wyzard | Nyle: I do too, though it crashes my browser occasionally (and I don't really like Flash much anyway) |
| 01:14.41 | Nyle | or ssh -X a iceweasel from laptop |
| 01:14.44 | Nyle | which is a 32bit sid |
| 01:14.51 | ninjaslim | Nyle: it's just means your base transfer rate is 64-bits instead of 32-bits that's about it |
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| 01:14.57 | Nyle | hm |
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| 01:15.07 | Nyle | eh.. whatever... 64 is sitll better than 32 |
| 01:15.13 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: it runs the Flash plugin in a separate process rather than loading it into the browser's process |
| 01:15.27 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: It's more complex and error-prone |
| 01:15.29 | Ace2016_- | oh |
| 01:15.32 | ninjaslim | Nyle: it's a bit more responsive, that's about it, otherwise nothing else |
| 01:15.45 | Nyle | or you could run wine it |
| 01:15.48 | Ace2016_- | ninjaslim: explain that |
| 01:15.52 | Nyle | firefox.exe plus flashinstaller.exe |
| 01:16.05 | dva-5912 | Is there a command i can use to add users to proftpd |
| 01:16.22 | Nyle | dva-5912, maybe google 'how to add users to proftpd' |
| 01:16.39 | Nyle | irc shouldn't be your first place to ask man |
| 01:16.43 | Nyle | give us a break :) |
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| 01:16.48 | Wyzard | Doesn't proftpd just use normal system user accounts? |
| 01:16.49 | ninjaslim | Ace2016_-: explain waht, it's a bit more responsive, i speak empirically i should add, i don't know if that's the case across general machines, i know that 64-bit JVM is slower, i know that certain 64-bit software has longer load times than corresponding 32-bit versions |
| 01:16.50 | dva-5912 | Nyle, i just thought itd be faster :D |
| 01:17.05 | Nyle | dva-5912, but it would be more informative and you'd learn more ifyou were to research yoruself |
| 01:17.26 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: The 64-bit JVM uses the "server" JIT, whereas the 32-bit JVM uses the "desktop" JIT by default on many machines |
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| 01:17.56 | Nyle | Wyzard, whats your major in school? |
| 01:17.56 | Wyzard | ninjaslim: The "server" JIT does more optimization up-front, so it's slower to start up in exchange for better performance in the long run |
| 01:17.57 | Nyle | comp. sci.? |
| 01:17.57 | Ace2016_- | 64bit binaries are bigger right? so i guess having smaller binaries in 32bit allows them to run off the cpu cache more rather than going back to ram |
| 01:18.02 | Corwin | The main thing is you can access more memory, I can do renders that I was unable to with 32bits |
| 01:18.05 | ninjaslim | Wyzard: i see |
| 01:18.06 | Wyzard | Nyle: B.S. in computer science, graduated in 2004 |
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| 01:18.15 | Nyle | i see |
| 01:18.20 | Nyle | a bullshit in computer science eh |
| 01:18.22 | Nyle | same as I |
| 01:18.25 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:18.30 | Wyzard | yep :-) |
| 01:18.52 | Nyle | so wer'e about the same age |
| 01:18.53 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:19.01 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: That's true, cache utilization is one of the downsides of 64-bit software |
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| 01:19.15 | Nyle | if you have enoughr am |
| 01:19.17 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: counterbalancing the benefit of having more registers available |
| 01:19.19 | Nyle | it shouldn't be a problem |
| 01:19.24 | Nyle | 16 to 32gb is ok |
| 01:19.34 | Nyle | 8gb minimum on any amd64 machine at my house |
| 01:19.41 | Nyle | 4x 2gb sticks |
| 01:19.50 | Wyzard | What do you need 8GB for on a home computer? |
| 01:19.55 | Wyzard | Both of mine have 4 and that's been plenty |
| 01:20.00 | Nyle | its my graphic design desktop too |
| 01:20.04 | Ace2016_- | i have 4GB, i don't need more |
| 01:20.09 | quagga | i have 2 but i never use more than 1 |
| 01:20.11 | Wyzard | oh, large images? |
| 01:20.13 | Corwin | I have 6 and want more |
| 01:20.15 | Nyle | !nyle.debian.wallpapers |
| 01:20.15 | dpkg | it has been said that nyle.debian.wallpapers is http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1 <-- original debianwallpaper artwork by Nyle |
| 01:20.29 | quagga | i'm leaning towards smaller, less power hungry systems these days |
| 01:20.31 | Nyle | I'm trying to learn blender now |
| 01:20.41 | Nyle | and trying to relearn Truespace in windows |
| 01:20.46 | Wyzard | I did fill up half my swap the other day by opening a 23576x23576 image in gqview... |
| 01:20.56 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:20.58 | Ace2016_- | truespace 3.2 was free last time i checked |
| 01:21.00 | Nyle | damn, 23k pixels |
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| 01:21.10 | Wyzard | full-resolution world map of Ultima 7 :-) |
| 01:21.16 | Nyle | nice |
| 01:21.19 | Corwin | blender is a lot better than truespace |
| 01:21.29 | Nyle | that game kicked ass (i still have a copy of the dos version on a cd) |
| 01:21.40 | Wyzard | Are you familiar with Exult? |
| 01:21.48 | Nyle | i got all the kings quests and some other sierra games too |
| 01:21.52 | Nyle | yes I am, oss engine |
| 01:21.57 | Ace2016_- | i wanted the one with the gentlelearning curve |
| 01:22.06 | Ace2016_- | *gentle learning |
| 01:22.24 | unixSnob | Am I asking for trouble by installing amd64? I mean, I always hear talk about getting 32 bit apps to run on 64 bit kernels.. I don't want to use the 64 bit capabilities if it will turn into a project |
| 01:22.35 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=2 <-- this is my favorite one |
| 01:22.39 | Nyle | and my first one too |
| 01:22.47 | Wyzard | Exult can export the world map to a batch of 144 .pcx files... that's how I made the huge image, by combining them together in Gimp :-) |
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| 01:23.04 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=3 <-- this is the last one I did, and its a little gay, but I like the rosey pink soothing colors |
| 01:23.06 | Ace2016_- | unixSnob: just try it, i haven't had any problems yet |
| 01:23.18 | Nyle | Wyzard, ahh |
| 01:23.18 | unixSnob | Ace2016_-: cool |
| 01:23.30 | Nyle | Wyzard, I made this wallpapers purely in gimp |
| 01:23.35 | Igneous | I have a fairly unrelated question, but I'm sure one of you guys can help me out. I'm looking for a high quality recording mic that's USB and Linux compatible, I'll settle for just a XLR to USB converter if someone can assure me it'll work with linux. |
| 01:23.48 | Nyle | Igneous, ##hardware also |
| 01:23.53 | Ace2016_- | Nyle: does that actually fill 8GB of ram? or anywhere close to that? |
| 01:23.54 | Nyle | Igneous, and ##linux too |
| 01:24.02 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, video editing does |
| 01:24.05 | Igneous | ##hardware will answer this kind of thing? |
| 01:24.16 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, and 3d modeling, rendering, animation in truespace |
| 01:24.21 | Nyle | yes, ALL 8gb |
| 01:24.22 | Ace2016_- | Nyle: do you do it in linux? which apps? |
| 01:24.29 | Corwin | I use an external audiobuddy to go from XLR to RCA plugs and then into my Maudio 24 bit card |
| 01:24.30 | Nyle | recently using Blender |
| 01:24.47 | Wyzard | Nyle: looks like you used Fyre for the background |
| 01:24.53 | Nyle | Wyzard, yes |
| 01:25.01 | Nyle | a few layers actually |
| 01:25.04 | Ace2016_- | Nyle: show something you made in blender |
| 01:25.10 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, still learning |
| 01:25.33 | Ace2016_- | just wondering but what is your ultimate goal in doing this? |
| 01:25.35 | unixSnob | Igneous: I heard some folks hacked together some drivers for the Tascam US-428. the us428 has XLR jacks, and a USB interface; it's meant for recording |
| 01:25.39 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, hobby |
| 01:25.45 | Ace2016_- | oh ok |
| 01:25.48 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, just fun stuff :) |
| 01:26.05 | Wyzard | Nyle: I used to use this wallpaper: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/details/1018/neutron_revolver.html |
| 01:26.05 | Corwin | the Hammerfall products work great on Linux |
| 01:26.07 | unixSnob | though the US-428 might be a bit dated.. |
| 01:26.08 | Igneous | unixSnob, ooh thanks a bunch |
| 01:26.16 | Igneous | does not care, just needs XLR support |
| 01:26.18 | Nyle | Wyzard, me too |
| 01:26.19 | Nyle | haha |
| 01:26.46 | dva-5912 | How do i set a users home directory? |
| 01:26.52 | dva-5912 | i dont want it at /home |
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| 01:26.59 | unixSnob | paid $400 for the US-428 about 6 years ago |
| 01:27.04 | dva-5912 | instead at /var/www |
| 01:27.19 | Nyle | dva-5912, you don't want to do that. |
| 01:27.22 | helo_ | does badblocks output the bad blocks of a device? |
| 01:27.25 | Igneous | daaamn this beast is kinda expensive |
| 01:27.37 | Wyzard | helo_: yes |
| 01:27.37 | Igneous | unixSnob, This is what I was looking at http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicMate/ |
| 01:27.42 | dva-5912 | Nyle, no? its only going to be used by me,, |
| 01:27.53 | helo_ | hmm... would be nice if the manpage said as much... just got a flood of blocks from it |
| 01:28.15 | Wyzard | helo_: It'd be better to use the drive's internal self-test procedure though (smartctl -t long /dev/foo) |
| 01:28.15 | Ace2016_- | symlink maybe? |
| 01:28.15 | Nyle | !usermod |
| 01:28.15 | dpkg | [usermod] a command to modify the system account files ( /etc/passwd and /etc/group ). It will perform changes as specified in the command line. |
| 01:28.18 | Igneous | it says there's no special drivers required, which is normally a good sign |
| 01:28.34 | Nyle | and or you can change the home dir path in /etc/passwd |
| 01:28.41 | helo_ | Wyzard: will that cause the blocks to be avoided in the future? |
| 01:28.59 | helo_ | Wyzard: i was writing random data via badblocks before using cryptsetup |
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| 01:29.16 | unixSnob | Igneous: that looks decent for your needs.. the us-428 may be overkill, since it's also a control surface |
| 01:29.22 | Wyzard | helo_: badblocks won't, by itself, cause any blocks to be avoided |
| 01:29.58 | Wyzard | helo_: but mke2fs can take a list of bad block numbers (or you can have it run badblocks itself) when creating a filesystem |
| 01:30.01 | stew | bah, it seems s2disk doesn't want to work with an amd64 kernel and 32 bit userspace. it works with 32 bit + 32 bit or 64bit + 64bit |
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| 01:30.13 | Wyzard | helo_: and I think you can add a list of bad blocks to an existing filesystem with tune2fs |
| 01:30.15 | unixSnob | Igneous: drivers are always needed, but that wording implies that the device can use the standard class drivers, which is good.. it's likely to work on anything |
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| 01:30.54 | Wyzard | helo_: Modern drives have "spare sectors" that aren't normally accessible, and automatically remap bad blocks to spare ones in firmware |
| 01:31.04 | unixSnob | I've noticed USB sound cards will often work on platforms that are not officially supported, w/out any hacking |
| 01:31.11 | dva-5912 | Nyle, how do i make a user part of data-www |
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| 01:31.20 | Wyzard | helo_: so if you start seeing user-visible bad blocks on a modern hard drive, even a few, it means that the drive has already transparently remapped so many of them that it ran out of spare sectors |
| 01:31.40 | Wyzard | helo_: so it's best to just replace the drive; the problem is only going to get worse |
| 01:31.51 | helo_ | but the smartctl will... this is an ide drive enclosed in a maddog usb enclosure... will the bad blocks be automatically avoided when it is plugged into other systems? |
| 01:31.52 | Ace2016_- | Wyzard: but the remapping is done transparently right? so why does he notice? maybe the drive is dying? |
| 01:32.39 | Wyzard | helo_: ah, if you're accessing the drive through USB you probably can't run smartctl on it (since your system is talking to the generic usb-storage interface, not to the drive itself) |
| 01:33.02 | Wyzard | That's why I prefer eSATA (I'm actually doing a smartctl self-test on a drive in an eSATA enclosure right now, in fact) |
| 01:33.25 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: yep, that's the idea... there's a limit to how many errors the drive can recover from by remapping |
| 01:33.45 | Wyzard | Once you get past that limit, you start seeing the bad sectors |
| 01:34.24 | Wyzard | helo_: Anyway, the drive's internal recovery/remapping feature is invisible to the OS and works regardless of what system the drive is plugged into |
| 01:34.43 | helo_ | hmm |
| 01:34.54 | Ace2016_- | bye all, sleep time :) |
| 01:35.03 | Wyzard | helo_: A list of bad blocks stored in the filesystem is something the OS has to recognize and obey, but generally they do |
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| 01:35.18 | helo_ | i currently have my critical media on a 2-drive raid1, one of which is a ide drive... maybe i'll pull it out and run the array in degraded mode... |
| 01:35.29 | helo_ | critical as in a lot of mp3s... heh |
| 01:35.34 | Wyzard | if one of the drives in your RAID is going bad, definitely remove it |
| 01:35.42 | Wyzard | and replace it |
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| 01:36.03 | helo_ | the drive in my enclosure is the one having problems, but i'd like to have a portable encrypted drive |
| 01:36.12 | dva-5912 | how do i allow a user access to /var/www/ in proftpd |
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| 01:38.09 | Wyzard | helo_: If you want a portable encrypted drive, you need to think about encryption formats... the HAL automounter on Linux systems recognizes LUKS volumes, but Windows doesn't, and although I think there's a Linux version of TrueCrypt, most systems don't have it installed |
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| 01:38.24 | Igneous | unixSnob, I just bought it, I'll tell you in a week :) |
| 01:39.37 | Igneous | err, I'll tell you in a week if it works* |
| 01:40.23 | helo_ | i'll only be using this in debian systems i control, so that should be fine |
| 01:40.36 | helo_ | ok, off to degrade my array ;) |
| 01:40.38 | eldowan | dva-5912: do you currently have proftpd working? |
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| 01:41.38 | dva-5912 | eldowan, yes i do |
| 01:41.58 | eldowan | dva-5912: I'm not sure this is a good fix, but you can try to use a symlink. |
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| 01:42.11 | unixSnob | Igneous: cool.. it'll be interesting to hear about that |
| 01:42.11 | dva-5912 | eldowan, il try |
| 01:42.19 | eldowan | dva-5912: that is if you can't configure proftpd to share that directory in the first place |
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| 01:44.31 | Igneous | unixSnob, Indeed, My father has volunteered the Neumann U87 in our basement to be my test device. I'm pretty excited. |
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| 01:44.54 | Nyle | eldowan, hi |
| 01:45.06 | Nyle | msg |
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| 01:56.33 | newsense | Igneous: man that u87 is nice and its expensive as hell too |
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| 01:56.56 | checkers | hi all, is thre any included program in a debian minimum install to lookup a hostname? |
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| 01:57.11 | Igneous | newsense, hahah yeah, we run a recording studio though, I live in nashville, so the job kinda goes with the location |
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| 01:57.22 | dondelelcaro | checkers: lots; but dig is probably what you really want. |
| 01:57.23 | \amethyst | checkers: getent hosts www.yahoo.com |
| 01:57.24 | wols_ | checkers: nslookup |
| 01:57.28 | newsense | i would like to setup aa studio |
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| 01:57.58 | newsense | cant dish out $3500us on a mic though |
| 01:58.02 | Igneous | newsense, http://shadowlanestudios.com/ that's ours |
| 01:58.25 | checkers | dondelelcaro & wols: neither is in a minimum install ;) |
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| 01:58.49 | newsense | Igneous: nice setup |
| 01:59.03 | checkers | \amethyst: ta |
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| 01:59.28 | newsense | i got cousins in tennesee |
| 01:59.50 | Igneous | People always underestimate tennessee. |
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| 02:00.03 | dondelelcaro | checkers: of course dig isn't, but it's what you want if you're debugging name resolution; otherwise you can just use the normal system calls via anything that does it, like getent or similar |
| 02:00.06 | newsense | ever had 3-6 mafia at your studio? |
| 02:00.16 | newsense | lol probobly not huh |
| 02:00.18 | Igneous | lol definately not |
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| 02:01.20 | tubbybastard | Hello all, running postfix on etch, I started to install amavis |
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| 02:01.45 | tubbybastard | but decided that I just wanted to run spamassassin |
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| 02:02.06 | syc_ | hello guys.. |
| 02:02.22 | Igneous | hello sir |
| 02:02.22 | tubbybastard | but my mail.log still shows post fix is trying to connect to amavis despite having romved everything from the config files any ideas? |
| 02:02.56 | wols_ | tubbybastard: restarted postfix? |
| 02:02.57 | syc_ | W: Failed to fetch http://komo.vlsm.org/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcommons-collections3-java/libcommons-collections3-java_3.1a-3.1_all.deb,Size mismatch. What does this means, anyone can help me ? |
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| 02:03.14 | newbie_ | hello |
| 02:03.16 | wols_ | syc_: wrong channel. #ubuntu |
| 02:03.19 | tubbybastard | wols: several times |
| 02:03.28 | wols_ | tubbybastard: pastebin main.cf and master.cf |
| 02:03.42 | newbie_ | i'd like to know a debian version that runs on a old pc |
| 02:03.46 | newbie_ | 128 mb-ram |
| 02:03.47 | syc_ | ups.. |
| 02:03.52 | dondelelcaro | newbie_: etch will run on that. |
| 02:03.54 | syc_ | wols_, ok , thanks. |
| 02:03.55 | wols_ | newbie_: debian etch runs there fine |
| 02:04.11 | newbie_ | =) |
| 02:04.24 | newbie_ | am i going to have any problem with the instalation ? |
| 02:04.27 | wols_ | newbie_: gnome or kde are a bit too heavy for 128MB |
| 02:04.29 | newbie_ | or is it easy? |
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| 02:04.41 | wols_ | we say it's easy but we're biased |
| 02:04.45 | wols_ | !tell newbie_ about ig |
| 02:04.46 | newbie_ | xfce or fluxbox it's good for me |
| 02:05.22 | Igneous | newbie_, I run debian sid on an ibm thinkpad 380xd, with 96mb of ram and a 266mhz P2 Deschutes processor. As long as you use the net install cd and uncheck the "dekstop environment" box at install, then just manually apt-get the desktop packages you need, you're good to go |
| 02:05.29 | Igneous | newbie_, just avoid gnome and kde, and you're fine |
| 02:05.58 | newbie_ | yup :) |
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| 02:06.03 | newbie_ | thx |
| 02:06.12 | newbie_ | i'll read the ig |
| 02:06.34 | newsense | yeah and if plan to use alsa for sound gotta install that manually if ya dont choose deskop |
| 02:06.35 | newbie_ | dont u guys know a ftp so i can download debian etch ? |
| 02:06.55 | toor | newbie_: hmm, debian.org, get debian |
| 02:07.00 | newbie_ | oki |
| 02:07.02 | newbie_ | :) |
| 02:07.04 | tubbybastard | smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth |
| 02:07.04 | tubbybastard | smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes |
| 02:07.04 | tubbybastard | smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reje$ |
| 02:07.06 | newbie_ | thx |
| 02:07.07 | Igneous | true to the name |
| 02:07.31 | tubbybastard | wolz, should I just past the whole file into the irc? |
| 02:07.42 | tubbybastard | seems problematic |
| 02:07.49 | freebird | you guys, I`ve exim, courier imap and pop and squirrelmail, my email messages are going to /var/mail/diego and are not showing inside squirrelmail box, what should I do to get the messages to go to the correct place so squirrelmail will show them |
| 02:07.50 | newsense | lol |
| 02:07.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell tubbybastard -about paste |
| 02:08.22 | toor | newbie_: ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 02:08.43 | newbie_ | toor: thank you so much :D |
| 02:08.54 | newbie_ | one more question |
| 02:09.11 | Igneous | you might as well get the netinstall cd if you're just going to install the standard system |
| 02:09.18 | Igneous | it's 500mb smaller :) |
| 02:09.24 | newbie_ | is sound, ethernet and video easy to install on debian? |
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| 02:09.32 | Igneous | shockingly easy |
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| 02:09.34 | toor | newbie_: yep, just modprobe modname |
| 02:09.43 | newbie_ | toor: :) |
| 02:09.56 | toor | i.e. modprobe ati :P |
| 02:10.04 | dondelelcaro | freebird: squirrelmail uses an imap server, so assuming your imap server shows those messages, it'll work in squirrelmail. |
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| 02:10.23 | Igneous | wouldn't you modprobe fglrx or whatever ati uses? |
| 02:10.34 | Igneous | assuming you have their proprietary drivers |
| 02:10.56 | freebird | dondelelcaro, I can connect to my impa server thru telnet, login without problems, and I can send messages thru squirrel, but messages that arrive, wont show |
| 02:11.04 | newbie_ | Igneous: what's the difference for the netinstall cd ? |
| 02:11.06 | freebird | dondelelcaro, they appear in /var/mail |
| 02:11.09 | toor | who like good music? :) |
| 02:11.14 | newbie_ | besides 500mb smaller |
| 02:11.24 | Igneous | newbie_, it grabs all the packages you want from the internet, so it's just the base system |
| 02:12.57 | toor | newbie_: the netinstall is just a minimal system with included net-drivers for connecting to the internet, after installing you can get the rest you need from the internet |
| 02:13.05 | Igneous | !netinstall |
| 02:13.05 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 02:13.05 | newbie_ | but i can download and use the netinstall cd ? i still am a winlooser hahaha |
| 02:13.06 | dondelelcaro | freebird: do you see mail in /var/mail/youruser in your imap server? |
| 02:13.36 | newbie_ | toor: oh |
| 02:13.49 | tubbybastard | wolz: http://paste.debian.net/12694/ |
| 02:14.03 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: courier uses maildir only |
| 02:14.22 | dondelelcaro | ah; I don't use courier, so... |
| 02:14.36 | dondelelcaro | freebird: if you want to use mbox and maildir, you'll want to use dovecot instead of courier. |
| 02:14.41 | newbie_ | i think i'll get the netinstall cd then, what u guys think? |
| 02:14.48 | toor | newbie_: http://www.linux-books.us/debian_0003.php - there is a book free to download, the debian users guide |
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| 02:14.52 | toor | newbie_: try it :) |
| 02:15.11 | newbie_ | =) |
| 02:15.18 | Igneous | newbie_, assuming that computer has an ethernet card, and you intend on having it hooked up to the internet, I'd say that's a good time-saving idea |
| 02:15.25 | toor | newbie_: the netinstall cd is ok for all those have a internet connection :) |
| 02:15.29 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: /var/mail for and imap server is kinda iffy. no folders |
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| 02:15.54 | dondelelcaro | wols_: right, but it supports INBOX at least |
| 02:15.58 | newbie_ | =) |
| 02:16.14 | wols_ | but what's the point when using imap? :) better to config exim to deliver to maildir instead |
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| 02:16.30 | newbie_ | ok |
| 02:16.36 | dondelelcaro | wols_: because you can have the spool in /var/mail, and directories in ~/Maildir or ~/Mail |
| 02:16.37 | newbie_ | thank you so much all of u |
| 02:16.50 | newbie_ | for the help :) |
| 02:17.15 | wols_ | ah, didn't know dovecot can use them simultaneously. I'm a cyrus user :) |
| 02:17.15 | dondelelcaro | wols_: I mean, maildir is great, but there's no reason for a imap server not to support mbox |
| 02:17.19 | newbie_ | asap i'll be back to the channel |
| 02:17.22 | newbie_ | cya ;* |
| 02:17.39 | wols_ | maildir is slooooow :P |
| 02:18.08 | tubbybastard | wols, did you see I posted that for you? |
| 02:18.09 | dondelelcaro | I think you mean mbox |
| 02:18.23 | tubbybastard | don't mean to be a pest |
| 02:18.23 | dondelelcaro | (as far as which is slower; it really depends what you're doing) |
| 02:18.52 | dondelelcaro | for static or append only, mbox is often better; otherwise, maildir. |
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| 02:18.59 | freebird | dondelelcaro, well, at the end of the imapd conf file, there`s a variable called MAILDIRPATH=MAILDIR, whould that be the one |
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| 02:19.12 | freebird | dondelelcaro, I`ve changed to /var/mail/diego |
| 02:19.23 | freebird | dondelelcaro, and restarted my imap srever |
| 02:19.25 | freebird | server |
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| 02:19.34 | dondelelcaro | freebird: according to wols_, courier doesn't support mbox, so it won't use /var/mail/diego. You need to use maildir instead or switch to dovecot. |
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| 02:20.14 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: mbox is fast. but a 10k+ maildir is very slow opening over imap |
| 02:20.27 | wols_ | freebird: maildirmake |
| 02:20.59 | wols_ | tubbybastard: yes, check your procmail config |
| 02:21.03 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it shouldn't be very different from the speed of an mbox, and good servers cache it |
| 02:21.18 | dondelelcaro | wols_: but the real speed comes in when you do things like delete messages from the middle of an mbox |
| 02:21.22 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: I used courier and it took tbird a loong time usually. 1-2 minutes |
| 02:21.43 | wols_ | cyrus is fast both in opening and deletion |
| 02:21.59 | freebird | wols_, I`ve done that already |
| 02:22.22 | wols_ | freebird: then config exim to deliver to maildir |
| 02:22.42 | dondelelcaro | wols_: using mbox? or maildir? The imap server is orthogonal to the message store... |
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| 02:23.07 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: maildir with courier. and how can it be: it needs ot open the folder too and read it in from disk |
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| 02:23.43 | dondelelcaro | wols_: sure, but if you're using a sane filesystem, that's not a particularly slow operation |
| 02:23.58 | Wyzard | I'd expect reading the message list from a maildir to be faster than reading it from an mbox |
| 02:23.59 | wols_ | reiser and ext3 were tried |
| 02:24.08 | Wyzard | since you only have to read a list of filenames rather than the whole contents of the file |
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| 02:24.14 | freebird | wols_, when I ran maildirmake, I created a directory inside the user, but the messages are goind to /var/mail/diego, not to /home/diego/Maildir, why ??? |
| 02:24.26 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: you'd have to read the messages all once at least to cache them |
| 02:24.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: not true. you need to read the contents to actually display headers info like subject and from: |
| 02:24.49 | wols_ | freebird: cause you didn't configure exim to use maildir |
| 02:24.50 | Wyzard | true, but only the beginning of each |
| 02:25.02 | wols_ | still open each and every one |
| 02:25.09 | Wyzard | you can close each file when you get to the end of the headers; you don't have to read through the body to find the start of the next message |
| 02:25.30 | Wyzard | OK, you're talking about overhead just from open() |
| 02:25.33 | Wyzard | That makes sense, I guess |
| 02:26.01 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the question comes in whether the directory structure+caching is faster or slower than reading the entire mbox |
| 02:26.14 | dondelelcaro | that's a function of the average size of the message |
| 02:26.29 | wols_ | yes but typically a mail is 2-3k |
| 02:26.34 | wols_ | unless it has attachments |
| 02:26.36 | dondelelcaro | depends |
| 02:27.01 | wols_ | those big folders are usually mailinglist. my special culprit is #python |
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| 02:27.22 | wols_ | rather, the python ML |
| 02:27.30 | freebird | wols_, I see, but exim has many config files, can`t find that option, do you have a clue where I can find that |
| 02:27.35 | Wyzard | is not a fan of mailing lists |
| 02:27.36 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, the real case when you run into problems is when you delete things from the middle of an mbox |
| 02:27.39 | dondelelcaro | that's always slower |
| 02:27.41 | wols_ | freebird: no. I don't use exim |
| 02:27.46 | helo_ | watches as the universe dissolves waiting on badblocks -c 10240 -s -w -t random -v /dev/sdc |
| 02:27.57 | dondelelcaro | (or insert a message into the middle of an mbox) |
| 02:28.25 | Wyzard | helo_: You mentioned earlier that you were running badblocks prior to running cryptsetup... are you actually scanning for bad blocks, or just trying to wipe the disk? |
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| 02:28.47 | helo_ | both... i'd like to make sure there aren't bad blocks while i write some pseudo random data to it |
| 02:29.00 | dondelelcaro | helo_: if that's a drive made in the past 10 years, running badblocks is pretty much useless. |
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| 02:29.05 | wols_ | helo_: smartmontools |
| 02:29.14 | helo_ | it would be nice to know what the bottleneck is though... it's going to take a day or more |
| 02:30.07 | ryan-c | helo_: i usually just do a dd of /dev/urandom |
| 02:30.17 | ryan-c | with 1M blocksize |
| 02:30.20 | helo_ | i'm going to use cryptsetup to encrypt this ide drive in a usb enclosure after i verify the drive to be good |
| 02:30.21 | dondelelcaro | you can also use wipe if you want to kill it off |
| 02:30.23 | Wyzard | helo_: I use the "wipe" tool for wiping disks |
| 02:30.33 | Wyzard | and smartctl for defect scans |
| 02:30.45 | dondelelcaro | helo_: that won't verify that the drive is good; use smartctl to tell you how many bad blocks there are. |
| 02:30.49 | ryan-c | smartctl doesn't work on usb disks |
| 02:31.01 | ryan-c | unless that was fixed recently |
| 02:31.03 | helo_ | dpkg directed me to a guide that recommended the badblocks -t random |
| 02:31.03 | dpkg | helo_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:31.06 | dondelelcaro | it can if your controller doesn't suck. |
| 02:31.09 | wols_ | ryan-c: wasn't |
| 02:31.09 | Wyzard | unfortunately, no, it doesn't |
| 02:31.21 | helo_ | will smartmontools work on an ide drive enclosed in a usb enclosure? |
| 02:31.23 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The usb-storage class supports SMART? |
| 02:31.34 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: no usb attached disk can do smart runs :( |
| 02:31.52 | Wyzard | helo_: The fact that it's IDE is irrelevant... all the computer sees is a USB storage-class device |
| 02:31.55 | wols_ | Wyzard: not the issue. the usb chipsets discard smart commands |
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| 02:32.08 | tubbybastard | where could a procmailrc be other than /etc/procmailrc or ~/procmailrc |
| 02:32.13 | tubbybastard | ? |
| 02:32.31 | Wyzard | helo_: The IDE/SATA/SCSI/whatever is visible only to the enclosure's disk controller |
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| 02:32.40 | mattmurdock | hello again |
| 02:32.43 | Wyzard | helo_: Can you take the drive out of the enclosure? |
| 02:32.50 | helo_ | but badblocks can detect problems with a usb storage device |
| 02:32.56 | helo_ | i just put it in there... :/ |
| 02:32.56 | mattmurdock | what kind of iso should i download from the debian.org |
| 02:32.56 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yes, there are some. |
| 02:33.09 | mattmurdock | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
| 02:33.10 | dondelelcaro | wols_: for example, the cypress chipset. |
| 02:33.27 | Wyzard | helo_: It can, by attempting to read and write every sector, but that's not as thorough a test as the drive's built-in self test that you invoke via SMART |
| 02:33.34 | wols_ | mattmurdock: what cpu? and how much RAM? |
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| 02:33.55 | helo_ | bah... it takes 20 minutes to take the drive out of this thing |
| 02:34.01 | mattmurdock | wols_: 128ram celeron 900 |
| 02:34.08 | wols_ | mattmurdock: i386 |
| 02:34.14 | mattmurdock | wols_: thx |
| 02:34.17 | helo_ | i'd rather have a reliable storage device, so i guess that is the best bet |
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| 02:34.25 | Wyzard | helo_: OK, so it's one of the ones that comes with a drive built-in, and you're not supposed to remove it |
| 02:34.27 | dondelelcaro | helo_: moreover, modern drives remap blocks, so it won't tell you how many more remappings can happen. |
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| 02:34.43 | Wyzard | helo_: I prefer this type of enclosure: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817198008 |
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| 02:34.53 | helo_ | no, it is a mad dog that doesn't have a drive in it |
| 02:35.10 | helo_ | the tiny screws are just tough to unscrew with my screw drivers |
| 02:35.10 | Wyzard | helo_: You can take the drive out easily (even hot-swap) and in addition to USB you can use eSATA, which is just a straight passthrough so the OS can talk directly to the real drive |
| 02:35.35 | helo_ | i wanted to get the maddog sata/ide enclosure, but my relative bought the ide only variant :) |
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| 02:36.10 | Wyzard | I'd get the SATA-only variant, personally -- those are more likely to have a passthrough eSATA connector |
| 02:37.15 | helo_ | i have a 250GB ide drive that still has some mileage on it :/ |
| 02:37.20 | helo_ | well, we'll see if it does |
| 02:37.25 | helo_ | bbl... thanks |
| 02:37.32 | Wyzard | I have two unused 120GB disks sitting on my desk |
| 02:37.37 | Wyzard | can't think of a good use for them anymore |
| 02:37.38 | BB|AtWork | i'm using all 250gb disks :( |
| 02:37.52 | Wyzard | don't want to clutter up either of my two main computers with ribbon cables |
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| 02:43.13 | gnunixguy | any of you know if ill have an issue with a SATA DVD-rw drive on debian 4.0 |
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| 02:44.06 | Wyzard | gnunixguy: You should be OK... older kernels had problems with SATA optical drives, but etch's 2.6.18 is new enough that it doesn't |
| 02:44.06 | BB|AtWork | so i've created my own package and my own apt-get repository but i'm running into a problem with WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! error. I need to get rid of this. I've signed my package when it was created and i've added the gpg --export key with apt-get add but i still get this warning. can anyone help me out with this? |
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| 02:44.41 | gnunixguy | Wyzard: iirc, 2.6.18 is whats on the netinst cd right? |
| 02:44.54 | wols_ | yes |
| 02:45.02 | thing1 | hi i have my debian box on 192.168.0.x network, i would like to be able to connect to 10.2.30.x network with going through a nat, how cna i do this? |
| 02:45.16 | gnunixguy | aye, well, ima put it in and see if it works. thanks for the quick response Wyzard and Wols :) |
| 02:45.20 | Wyzard | though some controllers may have issues (I've seen a system with a Silicon Image SATA controller, a 3112 I think, on which the Linux driver would get very confused if there was an optical drive connected -- it'd repeatedly reset the drive, and wouldn't recognize any other SATA devices) |
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| 02:50.11 | helo_ | woohoo! "Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 132 132 140 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 542" |
| 02:50.58 | helo_ | so that means my drive is bad sectors from having too many to reallocate? |
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| 02:51.58 | Wyzard | helo_: You got SMART output from it? |
| 02:52.06 | Wyzard | helo_: and yes, that looks like a bad sign |
| 02:52.36 | helo_ | '8 bad sectors' |
| 02:52.51 | Wyzard | helo_: I'm not surprised, since you mentioned earlier that badblocks was displaying a bunch of numbers (it's not supposed to output anything) |
| 02:53.36 | Wyzard | helo_: sounds like your drive doesn't still have "some mileage on it" |
| 02:54.44 | helo_ | yeah... :/ |
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| 02:55.57 | Wyzard | Unless it's still under warranty, I'd suggest you get a new SATA drive, and return that enclosure of yours and get the one I mentioned earlier |
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| 02:57.03 | Madhat | for a intel core 2 duo, which debian netinst do i download? |
| 02:57.26 | Madhat | haha |
| 02:57.31 | Madhat | oops wrong channel |
| 02:57.40 | Madhat | for the haha, right channel for the question :P |
| 02:58.02 | BB|AtWork | this is driving me crazy |
| 02:58.14 | BB|AtWork | i just need to have a valid SIGNED package |
| 02:58.16 | BB|AtWork | the proper way |
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| 02:58.20 | Igneous | Madhat, the standard x86 installer |
| 02:58.36 | BB|AtWork | no how to i have found mentions how to actually properly sign and setup a client with the key to authorize those packages |
| 02:58.41 | Igneous | Madhat, unless you want to run x86_64, which would be awkward, but it'd work |
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| 02:59.06 | BB|AtWork | on a desktop. i don't suggest ever running 64bit |
| 02:59.13 | BB|AtWork | it always has more problems :) |
| 02:59.17 | Igneous | <BB|AtWork> on a desktop. i don't suggest ever running 64bit |
| 02:59.18 | Igneous | what he said |
| 02:59.27 | Madhat | why not? |
| 02:59.41 | Igneous | unless it's slamd64, that's the only distro i'd run x64 on |
| 03:00.23 | BB|AtWork | Madhat less people run the desktop stuff, so there are more bugs |
| 03:00.55 | Wyzard | is running 64-bit Debian on the desktop |
| 03:01.15 | jsubl2 | is running 64-bit |
| 03:01.20 | Madhat | i386 right? |
| 03:01.21 | jsubl2 | desktop |
| 03:01.30 | Wyzard | It's pretty much the same as 32-bit Debian |
| 03:01.44 | Igneous | is there a x64 version of an nvidia driver? |
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| 03:02.06 | jsubl2 | mine is intel video |
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| 03:02.13 | BB|AtWork | Igneous i don't think so actually |
| 03:02.15 | BB|AtWork | same with flash |
| 03:02.21 | Igneous | yeah, thought so |
| 03:02.28 | Igneous | that was the thing that kept me from sticking with slamd64 |
| 03:02.29 | Madhat | does the unstable have a netinst? |
| 03:02.34 | Wyzard | Igneous: yes, the nVidia driver has a 64-bit version |
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| 03:02.37 | Wyzard | I'm using it now |
| 03:02.47 | Igneous | is confused |
| 03:03.09 | Igneous | Madhat, i dunno, I just used the etch netinst and installed the standard system and nothing else, then edited /etc/apt/sources.list and replaced "etch" with "unstable" |
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| 03:03.26 | Madhat | and then run apt-get update? |
| 03:03.39 | Igneous | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:03.52 | Madhat | and that will get me the newest kernel and everything? |
| 03:03.57 | Igneous | yeah, oh also comment out the security updates repo |
| 03:04.04 | Madhat | cause i need the most recent, 2.6.26 if im correct? |
| 03:04.08 | Wyzard | Igneous: There's no need to comment that out |
| 03:04.22 | Wyzard | It's less useful when you're running sid, but there's no harm in having it |
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| 03:04.26 | Igneous | Madhat, semi-new kernel.. I compile mine from kernel.org every now and then |
| 03:04.29 | Igneous | Linux Ursa 2.6.26-git6-debian-sid #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 19 04:04:08 CDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:04.46 | Wyzard | and it could potentially provide you with a security fix for a package that hasn't been otherwise updated since etch was released |
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| 03:05.00 | Wyzard | Madhat: sid has 2.6.25 |
| 03:05.30 | jsubl2 | just went to lenny yesterday |
| 03:05.32 | Igneous | Wyzard, I wasn't aware that sid had security repos, actually. The last time I tried it, it gave me some error about not having an "unstable" security repo |
| 03:06.01 | Wyzard | it doesn't |
| 03:06.17 | Wyzard | but there's no harm in leaving the *stable* security repo in your sources.list |
| 03:06.49 | Igneous | Wyzard, perhaps you should follow the flow of the convo a bit more then :), we were talking about going from etch to sid when you spoke |
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| 03:06.56 | Wyzard | I know |
| 03:07.10 | Wyzard | and I'm saying that you can have the etch security repo in sources.list on a sid system |
| 03:07.21 | Igneous | is confused |
| 03:07.24 | Madhat | sid? |
| 03:07.25 | Igneous | that sounds like it would break things |
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| 03:07.29 | newsense | Igneous: is preemt a kernel patch ? |
| 03:07.32 | Wyzard | not at all |
| 03:07.52 | Igneous | newsense, no, it's a preemptable kernel option for low latency desktops |
| 03:07.54 | Wyzard | apt will prefer the newer versions from sid over the versions from the etch security repo, so it's mostly useless, but harmless |
| 03:08.01 | newsense | whats it do ? |
| 03:08.08 | Igneous | !preemption |
| 03:08.11 | Igneous | damn.. |
| 03:08.12 | newsense | ive heard of it |
| 03:08.22 | Wyzard | and if there's a package that hasn't been updated since etch was released (so the version in sid is the same as the version in etch), and there's a security update for it, apt will install it |
| 03:08.31 | Igneous | newsense, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemption_(computing) |
| 03:08.46 | newsense | thanks, im just curious |
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| 03:08.59 | newsense | i like to research things others talk about |
| 03:09.12 | Igneous | newsense, yeah, so was I, and that's how it all started |
| 03:09.16 | Madhat | whats sid? |
| 03:09.26 | Igneous | Madhat, the codename for debian unstable |
| 03:09.27 | Igneous | !sid |
| 03:09.27 | dpkg | [sid] the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 03:09.33 | newsense | lol |
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| 03:10.03 | BB|AtWork | ah ha! |
| 03:10.19 | hobophobe | I'm trying to determine why my USB mass storage device no longer automounts. Anyone have this problem lately? |
| 03:11.20 | Madhat | hobophone: i did, it helps if its plugged in |
| 03:11.42 | hobophobe | it is plugged in. the kernel sees it. it isn't automounted, as I said. |
| 03:11.43 | Madhat | someone took mine out and put a flash drive in place of it :P |
| 03:11.52 | stew | hobophobe: do you know what used to automount it? |
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| 03:12.00 | stew | hobophobe: are you, for instance, a gnome user or a kde user? |
| 03:12.03 | hobophobe | stew I'm pretty sure gnome-volume-manager |
| 03:12.07 | hobophobe | gnome user |
| 03:12.36 | helo_ | if a device in a raid 1 array gets more bad sectors than it can reallocate, what happens? |
| 03:12.46 | tubbybastard | hey everyone |
| 03:13.08 | tubbybastard | I have recently removed amavis to opt for just spamassassin |
| 03:13.23 | tubbybastard | i showed my main.cf and master.cf |
| 03:13.34 | tubbybastard | and wolz suggested I look at my procmail config |
| 03:13.40 | Wyzard | helo_: it develops visible bad sectors, which either silently corrupt data, or report I/O errors when something tries to access them |
| 03:14.00 | tubbybastard | however I have no /etc/procmailrc or ~/procmailrc |
| 03:14.11 | Wyzard | helo_: I/O errors will cause the RAID driver to kick the drive out of the array when they occur, but if you know the disk is bad, you should remove it from the array now, rather than relying on that |
| 03:14.19 | stiv2k | what does this mean? mount error 6 = No such device or address |
| 03:14.21 | stiv2k | trying to run this command: [steve@trillian ~]$ sudo mount -t cifs -o username=steve //192.168.1.10/home/media /home/steve/mediausers |
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| 03:14.28 | tubbybastard | but the log still shows postfix trying to connect to amavis |
| 03:14.33 | Wyzard | helo_: otherwise you risk having the drive silently return bad data |
| 03:14.38 | helo_ | could corrputed reads propagate onto the other drive on the array? |
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| 03:15.35 | Wyzard | helo_: yes, if you load a file and the data happens to come from the bad one, and then you save the file so the bad data gets written back to both disks |
| 03:15.38 | stiv2k | anyone? |
| 03:15.46 | Wyzard | helo_: and that can include simple things like copying a file |
| 03:16.17 | JyZyXEL | how do you install mysql in debian? |
| 03:16.28 | Madhat | Igneous: will running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade get me 2.6.25? or do i have to do that myslef? (assuming i made sources.list unstable?) |
| 03:16.31 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: aptitude install mysql |
| 03:16.34 | helo_ | well isn't that a sob... |
| 03:16.39 | Igneous | Madhat, it will |
| 03:17.02 | Madhat | Igneous: thnkas :D |
| 03:17.19 | JyZyXEL | i don't know any mysql passwords |
| 03:17.24 | hobophobe | guess I will try reinstall gnome-volume-manager |
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| 03:17.27 | Wyzard | Igneous: If you have one of the linux-image metapackages installed (e.g. linux-image-686), it'll get upgraded and pull in the new actual kernel (e.g. linux-image-2.6.25-2-686) as a dependency |
| 03:17.37 | stew | Madhat: it might. it depends on if you have a kernel meta package like "linux-image-696" installed |
| 03:17.42 | Wyzard | Igneous: If you don't have the metapackage, you won't automatically get new kernels |
| 03:17.56 | Madhat | how do i get the metapackage? |
| 03:18.05 | stew | Madhat: what cpu do you have? |
| 03:18.09 | Wyzard | It's installed by default |
| 03:18.10 | Madhat | intel dual core |
| 03:18.23 | stew | Madhat: 64 bit or 32 bit? |
| 03:18.36 | Madhat | 32bit i think? |
| 03:18.38 | Igneous | it's most likely 64 running i686 |
| 03:18.40 | Wyzard | Madhat: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:18.44 | Igneous | all the core2s support 64 |
| 03:19.03 | Madhat | this is for a laptop i just ordered |
| 03:19.06 | Madhat | dell xps m1330 |
| 03:19.13 | stew | Madhat: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 03:19.52 | Wyzard | linux-image-686 is probably installed already |
| 03:19.59 | Wyzard | and if it isn't, it might not be the one you want |
| 03:20.10 | stiv2k | Help I cannot mount my cifs share |
| 03:20.18 | Wyzard | Run "uname -r" and check that the version ends with "686" |
| 03:20.31 | Igneous | Madhat, when you get the laptop, come back and we'll help ya out |
| 03:20.42 | Madhat | alright |
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| 03:21.18 | Madhat | i got ahead of myself, the reason i came here was to find what iso to download |
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| 03:21.24 | Madhat | so etch i386 netinst? |
| 03:21.39 | Igneous | Madhat, yeah, the etch i386 netinst should be fine |
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| 03:22.19 | Wyzard | assuming you want 32-bit Debian |
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| 03:22.36 | Madhat | lols i already have it downloaded |
| 03:22.38 | Madhat | no clue why either |
| 03:22.45 | Igneous | Madhat, just remember though, if you have any intention of running unstable, uncheck everything in the install process except for "standard system", you don't want Desktop checked. Once you change your sources, then you can apt-get install gnome if you so desire |
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| 03:23.39 | stiv2k | Ugh |
| 03:24.06 | Madhat | alright |
| 03:25.57 | Madhat | im suprised at how little documentation there is for getting debian fully working on a xps m1330 |
| 03:26.03 | Igneous | stiv2k, what was that "Ugh" about? |
| 03:26.10 | Igneous | Madhat, most likely because it works by default |
| 03:26.14 | Madhat | haha |
| 03:26.36 | Igneous | Madhat, http://slashhome.org/tech/m1330/ |
| 03:26.37 | Madhat | from what i read, i need to use ndiswrapper for the driver for the wifi |
| 03:26.50 | stiv2k | Igneous: it's about my frustration with mount.cifs and nobody's noticing my questions |
| 03:26.56 | Madhat | isnt that old? |
| 03:27.14 | Igneous | Madhat, yeah it's old, for etch, but it's probably still valid about touchpad and wireless and etc |
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| 03:27.53 | stiv2k | retrying with upper case share name |
| 03:27.53 | stiv2k | mount error 6 = No such device or address |
| 03:27.58 | stiv2k | what the *heck* does that mean |
| 03:28.05 | Igneous | Madhat, actually "Unfortunately, the current stable Debian (4.0rc3 Etch) does not support either of the network cards in the M1330. It uses kernel 2.6.18 which has a tg3 driver which doesn't work in the M1330. You'll need an installer with at least version 2.6.22 to work with the ethernet card." Get the lenny installer |
| 03:28.30 | Madhat | which iso? there are like 20 :P |
| 03:28.32 | Igneous | Madhat, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ use those net inst images for network support.. Otherwise that netinst cd won't do anything :) |
| 03:28.39 | Madhat | haha ok |
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| 03:28.56 | Madhat | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_M1330 |
| 03:29.06 | Madhat | that is one of the best sources i have found so far |
| 03:29.08 | Igneous | stiv2k, i'm goggling your problem, i'll try to help ya out |
| 03:29.14 | tubbybastard | have I missed someone's response or did I not get one, I don't mean to be a pest, if no one has any ideas for me I'll just stop wasting everybody's time |
| 03:29.14 | Madhat | and it says it works fairly well out of the box |
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| 03:29.29 | Madhat | tubbybastard: what do you have a question about? |
| 03:29.40 | stiv2k | Igneous: good luck, I can't seem to find much info |
| 03:30.00 | Wyzard | stiv2k: As a guess, the share you're trying to mount couldn't be found |
| 03:30.11 | tubbybastard | I starting installing amavis |
| 03:30.21 | tubbybastard | on my postfix on etch |
| 03:30.38 | tubbybastard | decided I didn't want and just wanted to go with spamassassin alone |
| 03:30.40 | stiv2k | Wyzard: Thank you! |
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| 03:30.49 | stiv2k | bangs head on keyboard |
| 03:30.59 | Igneous | stiv2k, This is what I've found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/mounting-smb-folder-with-fedora-core-5-453941/ |
| 03:31.00 | tubbybastard | but my mailfile keeps indicating attempting to connect to amavis |
| 03:31.03 | stiv2k | Wyzard: Igneous: the issue was PEBKAC |
| 03:31.13 | Wyzard | stiv2k: There's a fixed set of error codes (and corresponding messages) that can be returned by system calls, so sometimes there isn't one that really accurately describes what the problem was |
| 03:31.15 | Igneous | "hey i think i figured it out you got to use \ instead of / for windows shares so:" |
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| 03:31.23 | tubbybastard | I've removed all instances from main.cf and master.cf |
| 03:31.23 | Igneous | stiv2k, lol great |
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| 03:31.57 | Wyzard | "no such device or address" is probably the closest available error code to indicate that the thing you're trying to communicate with (that is, the share) doesn't exist |
| 03:32.04 | Madhat | Igneous: if the m1330 works well in arch, shouldnt it in debian? |
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| 03:32.28 | Madhat | !dpkg |
| 03:32.29 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 03:32.39 | Igneous | Madhat, two verrrry different distros, but yeah, it probably is all kernel-side and probably works very well, I doubt arch has done that much to their code to perfectly support it |
| 03:32.47 | Madhat | !dpkgbot |
| 03:32.47 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 03:33.00 | Madhat | yeh, and if worse comes to worse i will use arch |
| 03:33.07 | JyZyXEL | md5sum generates wrong hashes |
| 03:33.08 | Igneous | arch is quite nice, I can't lie |
| 03:33.13 | tubbybastard | Madhat, any ideas for me? |
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| 03:33.18 | Madhat | !tell dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 03:33.21 | Madhat | nope |
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| 03:33.26 | eitan | Hello all. |
| 03:33.30 | tubbybastard | madhat, thanks anyway |
| 03:33.34 | Igneous | tubbybastard, try getting in a postfix support channel? |
| 03:33.46 | JyZyXEL | wait "md5" |
| 03:33.49 | tubbybastard | igneous, thanks very much |
| 03:33.51 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: more likely you're giving it the wrong input |
| 03:33.54 | JyZyXEL | md5 "foobar" |
| 03:33.54 | JyZyXEL | 14758f1afd44c09b7992073ccf00b43d - |
| 03:33.55 | eitan | I downloaded some .deb packages, and they are all dependent on each other. How do I get debian to install them? |
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| 03:33.58 | JyZyXEL | thats not correct |
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| 03:34.03 | JyZyXEL | 3858f62230ac3c915f300c664312c63f |
| 03:34.05 | JyZyXEL | thats correct |
| 03:34.12 | wols_ | elvedin: dpkg -i them all at once |
| 03:34.28 | wols_ | eitan: ^^ |
| 03:34.30 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: What is the file "foobar", and how do you know what the correct hash is? |
| 03:34.58 | eitan | wols_: what do you mean "them all at once" ? |
| 03:35.00 | Madhat | i think she/he is assuming it does for that portion of text, not a file |
| 03:35.12 | Madhat | eitan: dpkg -i file.deb file1.deb |
| 03:35.13 | Madhat | i think |
| 03:35.21 | eitan | madhat: you think? |
| 03:35.33 | Madhat | thats how i would do it :P |
| 03:35.39 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: oh, you're doing something like: echo foobar | md5sum |
| 03:35.43 | Igneous | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 03:35.43 | dpkg | installs filename.deb into igneous's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 03:35.48 | amitz | Connection to ftp.debian.org and security.debian.org is not replied. Tracerouting stop in ae-44-99.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net. I connect from Indonesia. Anybody have similar problem? |
| 03:35.49 | Madhat | i havent had to work much with .debs |
| 03:35.51 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: and getting 3858f62230ac3c915f300c664312c63f, which is correct |
| 03:35.51 | Igneous | wat |
| 03:36.04 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: Try: echo -n foobar | md5sum |
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| 03:36.14 | eitan | madhat... ok... let's say I then change my mind... how do I uninstall the debs? |
| 03:36.23 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: The difference is the newline character at the end (which the "-n" option suppresses) |
| 03:36.24 | amitz | Connection problem since 2 days ago. |
| 03:36.28 | Igneous | dpkg -r filename.deb |
| 03:36.28 | dpkg | removes filename.deb along with a pound of flesh from igneous's body, then staples igneous back up with a staple gun. |
| 03:36.39 | Madhat | Igneous: are you quick on the draw or what :P |
| 03:36.48 | eitan | thanks... I'll try that now... |
| 03:36.52 | Madhat | dpkg slap |
| 03:36.53 | dpkg | Madhat: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 03:36.57 | Madhat | lol |
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| 03:37.19 | Igneous | ooh wait, no, you'd have to do dpkg -I filename.deb and get the "info" bit, if it's got a custom name, then do dpkg -r stupid-package-name |
| 03:37.36 | wols_ | eitan: apt-get remove <stuff> |
| 03:38.17 | Wyzard | JyZyXEL: oops, I mis-pasted and gave the wrong hash output for the first command... anyway, 14758f1afd44c09b7992073ccf00b43d is the correct MD5 hash of "foobar" followed by a newline, and 3858f62230ac3c915f300c664312c63f is the correct hash of "foobar" without the newline |
| 03:38.38 | Madhat | dpkg -r his brain, then adds his brian |
| 03:38.39 | dpkg | removes his brain, then adds his brian along with a pound of flesh from madhat's body, then staples madhat back up with a staple gun. |
| 03:38.47 | Madhat | lol almost :P |
| 03:39.15 | eitan | wols_ |
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| 03:39.31 | eitan | wols_: sorry... if I'm dpkg'ing to install... why am I apt-getting to remove? |
| 03:39.44 | wols_ | cause apt-get handles dependencies. dpkg doesn't |
| 03:39.47 | Madhat | cause you already dpkged the package |
| 03:39.54 | eitan | wols: can I apt-get to install? |
| 03:39.58 | pickcoder | one more day till Friday |
| 03:40.16 | wols_ | eitan: only if you make a custom repo. and imho that's overkill for a few packages |
| 03:40.23 | wols_ | when dpkg does the job just as well |
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| 03:40.40 | eitan | wols_: if I were to use apt-get to install, what would the command be/ |
| 03:40.41 | eitan | ? |
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| 03:40.48 | wols_ | apt-get install <stuff> |
| 03:41.02 | eitan | wols_: and that should work just as well as dpkg, right? |
| 03:41.04 | wols_ | and that ONLY works if you have a custom repo for those debs you downloaded |
| 03:41.13 | wols_ | eitan: in yyour case: no |
| 03:41.23 | eitan | wols_: what is a custom repo? |
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| 03:41.33 | wols_ | a repository you make yourself |
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| 03:41.49 | eitan | wols_: is that hard to do? |
| 03:41.56 | wols_ | eitan: why didn't you use dpkg -i as I told you long agO? |
| 03:42.01 | pickcoder | or a specialized firm paid to acquire assets you accidentally forgot to pay for |
| 03:42.08 | eitan | wols_: ok hold on... |
| 03:42.21 | Igneous | eitan, heh, it's unrelated and it wouldn't really help you, just do what I said |
| 03:42.41 | terbo | so how many usb vga devices could you plug in? |
| 03:42.46 | eitan | Can I use a wildcard to install all the files in a dir, like dpkg -i * ? |
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| 03:42.57 | infotron | eitan: sure. |
| 03:43.00 | Madhat | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 03:43.01 | dpkg | package *.deb is already installed |
| 03:43.16 | Igneous | wat |
| 03:43.20 | wols_ | terbo: as many as you want |
| 03:43.28 | Igneous | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 03:43.28 | dpkg | removes a lung from igneous and replaces it with filename.deb |
| 03:43.32 | Igneous | dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 03:43.38 | wols_ | Igneous: don'tg |
| 03:43.56 | Igneous | waait.. i'm confused |
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| 03:44.05 | Igneous | why is dpkg suddenly so spunky |
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| 03:44.08 | wols_ | that doesn't mean you should abuse the bot |
| 03:44.13 | wols_ | it always is |
| 03:44.16 | terbo | like 4 monitors on a powered hub? |
| 03:44.23 | wols_ | terbo: sure |
| 03:44.40 | terbo | :> |
| 03:45.05 | wols_ | you might have to create some more video devices perhaps but there is no reason why it shouldn't work |
| 03:45.19 | wols_ | well, USB bandwith issues maybe |
| 03:45.28 | Igneous | wols_, I had no intention of spamming or anything, I was just testing something.. it says "that package is already installed" so I wanted to see if that was dynamic and generated in a ficticious dpkg environment |
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| 03:45.44 | Igneous | apologizes |
| 03:45.46 | wols_ | Igneous: it's still spamming. query the bot in private next time |
| 03:46.29 | eitan | ok... it didn't work: http://pastebin.ca/1081480 |
| 03:46.29 | Igneous | wols_, I already did, it doesn't work. <dpkg> are you using Windows?, Igneous |
| 03:47.33 | Igneous | eitan, you are aware there's a codeblocks repo here, right? http://jens.lody.name/debian/ |
| 03:47.50 | eitan | ingenous: no... hold on.. |
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| 03:49.06 | eitan | ingenous: I've already seen that website... all it says is "Since February 28th 2008 there is an official stable release (8.02). |
| 03:49.06 | eitan | Feel free to download it from the official Code::Blocks-Server." ... and I already did that... that's what I'm trying to install |
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| 03:52.02 | Igneous | is confused |
| 03:52.05 | eitan | ... a silence fills the room ... |
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| 03:52.23 | pickcoder | looks at dpkg |
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| 03:53.12 | p3rti | someone know if i can configure my network ip address on network manager of gnome.. on nm-applet too? im using debian sid |
| 03:54.26 | pickcoder | p3rti: network mangler has never made me happy. Are you trying to configure a regular nic? |
| 03:54.48 | eitan | I'm sorry to have stumped you guys... I guess I should give you some time to figure out what's going wrong... I'm going to go eat something and come back. |
| 03:55.09 | Wyzard | p3rti: NetworkManager does DHCP... I don't think it supports static IPs yet, though that's planned to be supported eventually |
| 03:55.18 | p3rti | pickcoder, i'm trying to work with "perfiles" .. but only make dhcp :S |
| 03:55.31 | p3rti | Wyzard, :( |
| 03:55.48 | Wyzard | Do you actually need static IPs? |
| 03:55.54 | Wyzard | DHCP is much more convenient |
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| 03:56.11 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:56.12 | p3rti | Wyzard, ok.. on my University all uses Static IPS |
| 03:56.17 | lkthomas | my server loading average is about 40 |
| 03:56.17 | p3rti | on my house dhcp |
| 03:56.18 | Wyzard | and many routers let you set up "static" IPs with DHCP, by recognizing machines by MAC address and always giving them the same IP |
| 03:56.20 | p3rti | :( |
| 03:56.26 | lkthomas | how could I find out what process use up CPU resource ? |
| 03:56.29 | Wyzard | oh... yuck |
| 03:56.33 | mmlj4 | top |
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| 03:56.59 | Wyzard | wonders why a university would want to configure static IPs across the entire campus |
| 03:57.10 | mmlj4 | lkthomas: top |
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| 03:57.37 | p3rti | Wyzard, a University with bads tech people.. |
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| 03:58.35 | lkthomas | top just shows mysqld is using 3% of CPU resource |
| 03:59.04 | Wyzard | lkthomas: What's wrong with that? |
| 03:59.11 | lkthomas | high loading average |
| 03:59.18 | lkthomas | makes server does not response sometime |
| 03:59.30 | Wyzard | load average isn't quite the same thing as CPU usage |
| 03:59.42 | lkthomas | what does it means then |
| 03:59.45 | Wyzard | It reflects how many processes are runnable and/or waiting for I/O |
| 04:00.06 | Wyzard | A slow disk can cause high load average if lots of things are trying to do disk I/O |
| 04:00.08 | lkthomas | so how could I know what program makes those high loading average ? |
| 04:00.32 | Wyzard | I've seen a load average of 160 on a machine that had its NFS server go down for a while and things were trying to access it |
| 04:00.41 | \amethyst | lkthomas: look for processes in state D or R |
| 04:00.53 | lkthomas | \amethyst, on top ? |
| 04:01.12 | \amethyst | lkthomas: top or ps |
| 04:01.37 | lkthomas | I see kswapd0 |
| 04:01.38 | lkthomas | and mysqld |
| 04:01.45 | Rusty1 | htop, slabtop too FWIW |
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| 04:02.09 | Wyzard | htop is nice |
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| 04:02.28 | Wyzard | haven't heard of slabtop |
| 04:02.30 | \amethyst | lkthomas: then it's likely to be mysql and swap competing for I/O |
| 04:02.56 | Wyzard | If swap is using lots of I/O bandwidth, it means you're swapping a lot, which means you're short on RAM |
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| 04:03.13 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 04:03.16 | \amethyst | lkthomas: is swap on the same disk as your database? |
| 04:03.21 | lkthomas | yes |
| 04:03.32 | \amethyst | lkthomas: if you have multiple disks you might consider fixing that |
| 04:03.35 | \amethyst | and/or adding RAM |
| 04:03.49 | pickcoder | RAM is cheaper |
| 04:03.55 | pickcoder | unless the spindles are free |
| 04:03.56 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 04:04.09 | Wyzard | RAM is faster too |
| 04:04.12 | lkthomas | already 4GB |
| 04:04.20 | Igneous | ooh speaking of ram |
| 04:04.22 | pickcoder | 4GB and it's swapping? |
| 04:04.26 | lkthomas | yes |
| 04:04.28 | pickcoder | wth are you running on it? |
| 04:04.35 | Wyzard | lkthomas: Run "free" |
| 04:04.49 | Wyzard | to see if your RAM is actually full |
| 04:04.59 | \amethyst | or top and press capital M to sort by memory |
| 04:05.42 | \amethyst | also, depending on your hardware, you might be able to go higher than 4GB |
| 04:05.53 | \amethyst | with either an amd64 or a -bigmem kernel |
| 04:06.31 | pickcoder | I have a 40 user enterprise server that doesn't swap with 4GB |
| 04:06.38 | pickcoder | something is eating up a _lot_ of RAM |
| 04:06.39 | lkthomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.39 | lkthomas | Mem: 3980512 3957196 23316 0 27200 263736 |
| 04:06.39 | lkthomas | -/+ buffers/cache: 3666260 314252 |
| 04:06.39 | lkthomas | Swap: 5242872 2717172 2525700 |
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| 04:06.51 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I made a 4GB machine swap just a few days ago |
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| 04:07.02 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: yeah, you could use more memory |
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| 04:07.12 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: or you need to check whatever is using ram |
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| 04:07.29 | lkthomas | mysqld use buffer |
| 04:07.32 | \amethyst | lkthomas: using 6 GB on a 4GB machine will indeed make things very slow :) |
| 04:07.35 | lkthomas | apache use up a lot of memory as well |
| 04:07.35 | Wyzard | pickcoder: by opening a 24576x24576 .png file in gqview :-) |
| 04:07.52 | \amethyst | maybe turn down the mysql cache/buffer size |
| 04:08.01 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 04:08.06 | lkthomas | I would suggest to split mysql out |
| 04:08.06 | \amethyst | cache doesn't speed anything up if it goes to swap |
| 04:08.29 | \amethyst | yeah, if you have another machine, you could move either mysql or apache there |
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| 04:09.19 | wols_ | lkthomas: only if you are cpu bound |
| 04:09.37 | lkthomas | no, memory problem |
| 04:09.40 | wols_ | 8GB RAM and a AMD64 install should do the trick then |
| 04:09.46 | lkthomas | yes |
| 04:09.48 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 04:10.50 | pickcoder | Wyzard: heh |
| 04:10.50 | wols_ | intel desktop chipsets can address 8GB max, AMD based systems can address more |
| 04:11.18 | Igneous | drools at the idea of more than 8gb of ram |
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| 04:11.30 | lkthomas | doubt |
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| 04:11.41 | Igneous | I can't even begin to think how I could fill that |
| 04:11.47 | \amethyst | Igneous: I seem to remember Nyle recently getting hold of a machine with 96 GB |
| 04:11.48 | lkthomas | I never saw AMD based system got more than 4slot of memory |
| 04:12.02 | pickcoder | I have an Opteron server with 8 slots |
| 04:12.11 | lkthomas | pickcoder, that's diff story |
| 04:12.16 | lkthomas | opteron VS Xeon |
| 04:12.17 | pickcoder | up to 64GB |
| 04:12.24 | lkthomas | Xeon server could deal with 16G RAM min |
| 04:12.29 | lkthomas | all ECC ? |
| 04:12.34 | pickcoder | Opteron is AMD |
| 04:12.41 | pickcoder | yes |
| 04:12.47 | lkthomas | all ECC will kills you |
| 04:12.49 | pickcoder | if memory serves |
| 04:12.51 | lkthomas | the price I mean |
| 04:12.57 | Igneous | lkthomas, 16 DDR2 slots http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151089 |
| 04:12.59 | lkthomas | I would rather split it |
| 04:13.05 | n-iCe_ | Hello maybe someone could help me, i am following this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian_p2 , but in the command: echo '#!/bin/bash' > usr/bin/groups , i get a permission denied, what could be the problema? |
| 04:13.07 | pickcoder | it's an enterprise server..I don't care about the price as much as stability |
| 04:13.15 | lkthomas | right |
| 04:13.27 | Igneous | n-iCe_, are you running su'd? |
| 04:13.34 | n-iCe_ | Igneous: yup |
| 04:15.02 | wols_ | lkthomas: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231181 |
| 04:15.31 | lkthomas | too expensive man |
| 04:15.33 | pickcoder | likes G.SKILL |
| 04:15.40 | pickcoder | good price, solid memory |
| 04:15.44 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: what are you doing exactly? |
| 04:15.50 | wols_ | lkthomas: a 2nd system costs more |
| 04:15.57 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: running that command in a root shell, or using sudo echo ... ? |
| 04:15.59 | lkthomas | right |
| 04:16.00 | n-iCe_ | \amethyst: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian_p2 |
| 04:16.00 | Wyzard | uses G.SKILL too |
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| 04:16.06 | lkthomas | unless I am using P45 chipset |
| 04:16.13 | lkthomas | or I can't install this type of memory |
| 04:16.14 | n-iCe_ | \amethyst: I am on ssh access, sudo echo |
| 04:16.18 | wols_ | then you are SOL |
| 04:16.24 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: that's the problem, then |
| 04:16.29 | wols_ | but 8GB are cheap and will help you |
| 04:16.36 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: the redirection is performed by the shell, which isn't running under sudo |
| 04:17.07 | n-iCe_ | \amethyst: let me try phisical |
| 04:17.11 | Igneous | seems to recall asking if n-iCe_ was using su or sudo |
| 04:17.11 | pickcoder | lkthomas: did you identify the memory sinks? |
| 04:17.14 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: you'll need something like sudo sh -c 'echo "#!/bin/bash" > usr/bin/groups' |
| 04:17.27 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: or to open a root shell with sudo -i and run echo there |
| 04:17.36 | lkthomas | no |
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| 04:18.03 | n-iCe_ | same \amethyst |
| 04:18.14 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:18.26 | \amethyst | n-iCe_: the > usr/bin/groups is inside the single quotes? |
| 04:20.03 | pickcoder | lkthomas: I wouldn't waste money on more RAM until you've verified that it's not a memory leak in a program |
| 04:20.06 | n-iCe_ | \amethyst: now says, no such file or directory |
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| 04:20.22 | lkthomas | pickcoder, mysql + apache cause swap |
| 04:20.39 | pickcoder | lower your maxrequestsperchild |
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| 04:21.03 | lkthomas | can't |
| 04:21.09 | lkthomas | server stop response |
| 04:21.16 | lkthomas | if I did that I mean |
| 04:21.22 | pickcoder | how low did you set it? |
| 04:21.31 | lkthomas | I forget |
| 04:21.40 | lkthomas | after push up a lot |
| 04:21.44 | lkthomas | apache start to response |
| 04:21.48 | lkthomas | but the problem goes to mysql now |
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| 04:22.16 | lkthomas | if we want to take the balance |
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| 04:22.22 | lkthomas | we will need to split mysql out |
| 04:22.29 | pickcoder | is it PHP-MySQL? |
| 04:22.35 | lkthomas | yes |
| 04:23.03 | pickcoder | and people are so hyped about LAMP... |
| 04:23.20 | infotron | perl is the shiznuzzle |
| 04:23.29 | infotron | and Pg :) |
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| 04:29.34 | Wyzard | prefers Python |
| 04:31.10 | netdaemon | prefers Wyzard ;) |
| 04:31.10 | netdaemon | j/k |
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| 04:33.42 | evilsporkman | !preempt |
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| 04:34.10 | evilsporkman | hmm, why did dpkg ask me if i'm using windows? |
| 04:34.25 | evilsporkman | apparently someone patched it to be sassy -_- |
| 04:34.38 | Igneous | yeah I know, he was being a real dick to me earlier |
| 04:34.47 | evilsporkman | what is this, #ubuntu? |
| 04:34.53 | lkthomas | lunch now |
| 04:34.54 | lkthomas | bye |
| 04:35.46 | evilsporkman | anyway, is there an easier way to get a kernel with CONFIG_PREMPT on than building my own? |
| 04:35.47 | Igneous | evilsporkman, i'll play like i'm dpkg. here ya go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemption_(computing) "Pre-emption or preemption in computing is the act of temporarily interrupting a task being carried out by a computer system, without requiring its cooperation, and with the intention of resuming the task at a later time. Such a change is known as a context switch. It is normally carried out by a privileged task or part of t |
| 04:35.48 | Igneous | he system known as a preemptive scheduler, which has the power to pre-empt, or interrupt, and later resume, other tasks in the system." |
| 04:36.21 | evilsporkman | Igneous: yes, thanks, but I'm in #debian so clearly I wanted the term evaluated in a debian context :P |
| 04:36.34 | Igneous | just build your own kernel, it takes 10 minutes, perhaps 30 if you're on an old computer. |
| 04:36.40 | Igneous | that's what I did |
| 04:36.44 | evilsporkman | + the 20 minutes to configure things |
| 04:36.52 | evilsporkman | I used to run gentoo, you're not fooling me ;) |
| 04:37.01 | Igneous | not really, cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 04:37.23 | Igneous | copy the old config, then just change preempt to low latency desktop |
| 04:37.45 | newbie | hey again |
| 04:37.53 | newbie | i downloaded debian etch netinst |
| 04:37.57 | Lagbolt | cant you just do make oldconfig |
| 04:38.22 | newbie | with this cd can i choose the partition i want to install debian or it will format all my hd ? |
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| 04:38.54 | Igneous | newbie, use the manual partitioning scheme option |
| 04:39.20 | newbie | i have a partition with slackware |
| 04:39.32 | newbie | with the manual partition option i can format it ? |
| 04:39.42 | Igneous | yeah |
| 04:39.46 | newbie | ok |
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| 04:40.14 | newbie | now im gonna read the documentation |
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| 04:40.20 | newbie | thx one more time guys |
| 04:40.22 | newbie | cya soon |
| 04:40.24 | Igneous | mmhmm |
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| 04:40.25 | stmiller | my etch install has both a firefox and an iceweasel. Is this normal? |
| 04:40.46 | Igneous | stmiller, is firefox branded as firefox when you start it up? |
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| 04:40.53 | infotron | stmiller: dpkg -l firefox\* is might be an alias only. |
| 04:41.11 | Lagbolt | stmiller, packages? firefox is still a metapackage i think right? brings in iceweasel |
| 04:41.11 | eitan | Igneous: any idea what went wrong with dpgk? |
| 04:41.25 | eitan | igneous: i mean dpkg |
| 04:41.40 | infotron | stmiller: besides, iceweasel Conflicts: mozilla-firefox (< 1.5.dfsg-1), firefox (< 2.0+dfsg-1) |
| 04:41.42 | stmiller | infotron: ii firefox 2.0.0.16-0etch1 Transition package for iceweasel rename |
| 04:41.44 | infotron | Replaces: mozilla-firefox, firefox (< 2.0+dfsg-1) |
| 04:42.12 | infotron | well Transition is just that. aptitude show firefox - you should be able to remove that. |
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| 04:42.24 | stmiller | infotron ok thanks |
| 04:42.26 | Igneous | eitan, I think he just woke up on the wrong side of bed |
| 04:43.13 | eitan | igneous: ok... if not codeblocks... do you have a recommendation for a c++ programming environment for debian? |
| 04:43.28 | Igneous | gvim? |
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| 04:44.39 | evilsporkman | eitan, Igneous: emacs |
| 04:44.45 | Igneous | eeeew |
| 04:44.53 | Igneous | dies a little inside |
| 04:45.01 | evilsporkman | I used to use gvim extensively. I got better. |
| 04:45.13 | evilsporkman | do you press caps lock every time you type a capital letter? |
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| 04:45.25 | eitan | I give up. Thanks anyway. |
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| 04:45.54 | LinuxKitten | i'm trying to set up debian on my laptop |
| 04:45.56 | LinuxKitten | and |
| 04:46.03 | LinuxKitten | i only have wireless |
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| 04:46.36 | LinuxKitten | anyone? |
| 04:46.46 | infotron | !tell LinuxKitten -about i-g |
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| 04:51.17 | donkdonk | how do i make sure debconf does not run when i use apt-get? |
| 04:51.25 | evilsporkman | sudo rm /usr/bin/debconf |
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| 04:52.06 | donkdonk | evilsporkman: lol, i like the way you think... |
| 04:52.33 | evilsporkman | donkdonk: as a bonus, it won't run when you use anything else, either |
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| 04:53.44 | donkdonk | evilsporkman: i was looking for a more subtle approach, but that is exactly what i will do. thanks a ton. |
| 04:54.04 | evilsporkman | donkdonk: I was joking...you are likely to seriously confuse apt this way. |
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| 04:55.31 | simonrvn | every 2 weeks for an emacs-snapshot is good, eh. a month is too long hehe |
| 04:55.36 | evilsporkman | donkdonk: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set the priority to critical |
| 04:56.15 | simonrvn | ha, cute nick there; donkdonk. sounds funky in the ear :) |
| 04:56.21 | simonrvn | i like it |
| 04:56.23 | donkdonk | evilsporkman: hmm, that uses debconf... |
| 04:56.35 | evilsporkman | why don't you like debconf? it just wants to help |
| 04:56.48 | donkdonk | simonrvn: thanks, i have been using it for at least a 100 years. |
| 04:57.21 | donkdonk | evilsporkman: i am making scripts that install stuff. |
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| 05:02.07 | dondelelcaro | if you're making scripts to install stuff, use DEBCONF_FRONTEND="noninteractive". |
| 05:02.12 | dondelelcaro | s/DEBCONF/DEBIAN/ |
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| 05:08.38 | KDE4000 | what does dselect program do? |
| 05:08.56 | liable | install stuff |
| 05:09.03 | KDE4000 | can u tell me more than that? |
| 05:09.12 | KDE4000 | is it needed for dpkg? |
| 05:09.18 | liable | its like apt-get/aptitude |
| 05:09.22 | liable | no |
| 05:09.25 | KDE4000 | ok |
| 05:09.32 | KDE4000 | cause it wont compile for me |
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| 05:09.44 | liable | why are you compiling it? |
| 05:09.56 | KDE4000 | im writing a new distro |
| 05:10.27 | Igneous | yes, because there already aren't too many of them |
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| 05:10.30 | Igneous | but more power to you |
| 05:10.53 | KDE4000 | i reluctantly made another distro :p |
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| 05:11.12 | KDE4000 | bak in a bit :p |
| 05:11.13 | Igneous | what's it called? |
| 05:11.17 | Igneous | KDE4000ix? |
| 05:11.31 | KDE4000 | precisionix |
| 05:11.36 | Igneous | lol |
| 05:11.40 | KDE4000 | hehe |
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| 05:12.01 | KDE4000 | ok back in a bit |
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| 05:16.58 | kardan | i want to compile mod_php for apache but always end with 'apxs:Error: Command failed with rc=65536'. |
| 05:17.21 | dondelelcaro | kardan: why? just use the packages we've compiled already. |
| 05:19.12 | kardan | because i get ' [notice] child pid 10057 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)' with my actual one |
| 05:20.09 | kardan | # apt-get install libapache2-mod-python > libapache2-mod-python is already the newest version. |
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| 05:23.18 | kardan | i compiled apache to 2.2.9 and php 5.2.6 but now the mod_python binary doesnt fit. |
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| 05:24.30 | dondelelcaro | kardan: so figure out what is segfaulting, and fix the segfault. |
| 05:24.40 | dondelelcaro | kardan: just randomly recompiling things isn'g going to magically help |
| 05:25.04 | dondelelcaro | kardan: if you want to use a newer version, then make an unstable chroot or similar, and test there or get a backport. |
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| 05:28.56 | kardan | dondelelcaro the error comes from mod_php.so, but compiling mod_php gives above error |
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| 05:33.02 | kardan | i dont know what to do, so please help |
| 05:33.11 | dondelelcaro | kardan: the segfault comes from mod_php? |
| 05:33.30 | kardan | yes |
| 05:33.37 | dondelelcaro | kardan: how did you find that out? |
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| 05:33.52 | kardan | if i disable modph there is no segfault |
| 05:34.10 | dondelelcaro | kardan: and when does it segfault? randomly? or when you're doing something specific? |
| 05:34.30 | kardan | on page GET |
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| 05:34.35 | simonrvn | sounds like an old bug manifesting... but i could be full of it |
| 05:34.44 | dondelelcaro | kardan: any GET request? or just specific ones? |
| 05:35.18 | kardan | the one that contains php (in my case some tracs). the php and html works fine |
| 05:35.21 | dondelelcaro | (even get requests to things that aren't php pages?) |
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| 05:35.42 | kardan | sorry, the one that contains python |
| 05:36.50 | dondelelcaro | so you disable php4.so and the mod_python using pages do not segfault? |
| 05:36.51 | kardan | <simonrvn> sounds like an old bug manifesting... but i could be full of it <--which bug, how to fix? |
| 05:37.21 | kardan | i didnt try that |
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| 05:38.32 | dondelelcaro | kardan: that's what it sounded like you were describing. You should spend a few minutes explaining precisely what the problem is, how you can cause it, and what you can do to stop it from happening. |
| 05:39.00 | dondelelcaro | kardan: you should also tell us exactly what your apache2 configuration is for the site that is segfaulting, along with the versions of all of the packages involved. |
| 05:39.10 | kardan | the html pages always work, but only the tracs (with python code) raise the segfault |
| 05:39.17 | dondelelcaro | kardan: otherwise no one here is going to be able to help you solve your problem at all. |
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| 05:41.10 | vy | Hi! Does anybody have an idea about this networking problem: http://rafb.net/p/Kz4pmW23.html (BTW, I queried the related commands via ssh, which means I can connect to the machine. But it takes longer than usual (+5 secs) to drop into SSH command line.) |
| 05:42.34 | kardan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.58 | googlah | vy: Faulty network card maybe? Or drivers |
| 05:44.38 | kardan | if i disable mod_python, the segfault doesnt occur. it only occurs on pages with python code as I said. so I assume. there results of the mix of the compiled apache and mod_php and the binary mod_python |
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| 05:45.48 | kardan | what do you need to know about the configuration? should i paste configs somewhere? |
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| 05:46.48 | vy | googlah: But queried those commands via ssh. So how could I connect to the related machine? |
| 05:47.17 | kardan | sorry i forgot mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 |
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| 05:48.37 | kardan | how can i get more precise facts for debugging? how to use the apache console? |
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| 05:51.26 | googlah | vy: Good question. a friend of mine's machine goes down a couple of minutes once in a hour too, just like the NIC dies for a while. so that's another issue |
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| 06:00.36 | kardan | i commented all Python related lines in the apache config and i get 404 or stl like that, without disabled the mod_python plugin |
| 06:01.49 | kardan | sorry, that was confusing: the plugin is loaded, but the PythonHandler and PythonInterpreter dont get called |
| 06:02.32 | kardan | what to add? |
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| 06:04.39 | niru | for gnome screensaver |
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| 06:06.41 | kardan | would anybody answer me please? |
| 06:08.20 | wols_ | not as long as your problem description is that vague |
| 06:08.36 | wols_ | "I get 404 or s"tl like that" and such |
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| 06:09.33 | kardan | this is after i disabled the python handelers, that do some rewrites. so it doesnt matter. |
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| 06:09.53 | kardan | fact is: the mod_python is crap and needs to be replaced. how? |
| 06:10.33 | wols_ | what do you mean replaced? with what? |
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| 06:11.25 | kardan | my first statement was, i want to compile mod_pho but get an error. |
| 06:11.38 | kardan | sorry, mod_php |
| 06:11.38 | wols_ | !tell kardan about errors |
| 06:12.54 | kardan | i already said: i get ' [notice] child pid 10057 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)' |
| 06:13.13 | wols_ | your compiler crashed? |
| 06:13.18 | kardan | on every page call. |
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| 06:13.36 | kardan | mod_python.so i think, yes |
| 06:13.53 | wols_ | that is why are you compiling your own? |
| 06:13.56 | wols_ | debia has a mod_python |
| 06:14.19 | kardan | <kardan> i compiled apache to 2.2.9 and php 5.2.6 and assume, they dont fit to the old mod_python binary. |
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| 06:14.58 | wols_ | !info apache2.2 |
| 06:15.07 | PiousMinion | How do I find out what icon graphic file is being used for a certain file type on my gnome desktop? |
| 06:15.32 | wols_ | !info apache2 |
| 06:15.34 | dpkg | apache2: (Apache HTTP Server metapackage), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.9-6 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
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| 06:16.10 | wols_ | since apache2 2.2.9 is in debian, why compile? |
| 06:16.20 | wols_ | !info php5 |
| 06:16.24 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (metapackage)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 06:16.39 | wols_ | whO'd hafta thunk it. php 5.2.6 too |
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| 06:17.46 | kardan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.19 | wols_ | kardan: what has that to do with available versions? |
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| 06:18.56 | raijin | is it bad for an Elive user that migrated from gentoo to enjoy using Debian package management tools? |
| 06:19.04 | raijin | :p |
| 06:19.17 | raijin | s/user/prouser |
| 06:19.18 | kardan | on another chan i got the hint "kardan: do NOT mix source and binary packages." |
| 06:19.31 | raijin | ha |
| 06:19.52 | wols_ | raijin: no not bad at all. but it'S very bad to ask for support here if you run elive |
| 06:20.34 | raijin | wols_: how about i watch observe and pick up things without asking questions? |
| 06:20.47 | raijin | and make random positive comments |
| 06:20.55 | raijin | :D |
| 06:21.04 | wols_ | depends on the comments. ew prefer people to stay on topic |
| 06:21.08 | wols_ | lurking is fine |
| 06:21.26 | raijin | ew? |
| 06:21.31 | raijin | OT |
| 06:21.44 | raijin | |
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| 06:32.01 | acidslep | 1.) sweet vid: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/449676 |
| 06:32.14 | acidslep | 2.) whats the use of ifup if you can just use ifconfig |
| 06:32.55 | liable | ifup can do multiple things at once |
| 06:33.16 | acidslep | unless... does the interfaces file have the capability to like.. |
| 06:33.17 | acidslep | oh ok |
| 06:33.30 | Sumpen | acidslep, i like the idea: Give people a treat and then ask the question ^^ (havent watched the vid though) |
| 06:33.41 | acidslep | thanks :) |
| 06:34.18 | acidslep | Didn't look at it like that but what a great idea, im gonna do that from now on |
| 06:34.37 | liable | it will likely be frowned upon |
| 06:34.43 | acidslep | oh im sure |
| 06:34.54 | cahoot | pm-suspend seems to presume network-manager, how would one do to reenable networking at resume if n-m isn't used? invoke-rc.d networking seems a bit clumsy |
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| 06:36.47 | KDE4000 | what package provides : cputable? |
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| 06:37.11 | acidslep | I bet there is a fancy way to find out |
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| 06:37.24 | KDE4000 | without debian installed? |
| 06:37.27 | wols_ | !tell KDE4000 about search |
| 06:37.31 | wols_ | yes without it installed |
| 06:39.30 | KDE4000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:39.44 | KDE4000 | no results ;( |
| 06:39.44 | wols_ | you won't find it that way |
| 06:40.05 | KDE4000 | can u open your synaptic or such and search for that cputables thing? |
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| 06:40.20 | wols_ | one doesn't find it in synaptic either |
| 06:40.20 | KDE4000 | dpkg-architecture wont start cause of that file |
| 06:40.40 | cahoot | KDE4000: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=cputable&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 06:40.50 | kardan | how can i test if this is trac or a mod_python problem? |
| 06:41.08 | KDE4000 | seems that a file is missing from my build |
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| 06:42.57 | wols_ | KDE4000: why do you need that file? |
| 06:43.32 | KDE4000 | debian-architecture wont run without it |
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| 06:44.44 | KDE4000 | thats a text file, great, but now i gotta copy it to some directory, and it dont say where |
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| 06:45.26 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.26 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.41 | dbmoodb | how should one solve that ? |
| 06:46.12 | stony | morn |
| 06:46.16 | dimir | morn |
| 06:46.41 | wols_ | dbmoodb: it's debian/rules only |
| 06:46.56 | dbmoodb | sorry ? |
| 06:47.21 | wols_ | dbmoodb: paste the full output including the command you ran |
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| 06:47.28 | dbmoodb | oh ah sure |
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| 06:47.42 | tyler | hmm, i was thinking about screwing around with metasploit, and i cant seem to add a module to it ... this is a fresh install of debian stable, i have all of the ruby libs and such installed, and i can succesfully start the metasploit environment... i tried adding the module to framework-3.1/modules/exploits/linux/misc as well as ~/.msf3/modules/exploits/linux/misc, however neither work, can anyone offer suggestions? |
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| 06:47.45 | tyler | hope that didn't cut off :) |
| 06:47.55 | KDE4000 | lol now cputable is installed but it dont use it |
| 06:47.59 | dbmoodb | give me a few minutes tho. tyler read their documentation |
| 06:48.10 | dbmoodb | it works, i have used it |
| 06:48.12 | tyler | tried :/, however i shall try again |
| 06:48.19 | tyler | brb |
| 06:49.21 | cedric3 | hi i have a question i am newbie on debian i want to install nagios3 but this is only on lenny distribution i search a deb src to build this i know on mandriva distor i have a src.rpm and if i want to buid to have a rpm i just use rpm --rebuild this on debian i don't know thanks for your help |
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| 06:50.48 | dbmoodb | cedric3: try again apt-get install nagios3 or apt-get source nagios3 perhaps is what you are after ? |
| 06:50.59 | dbmoodb | cedric3: there is also apt-build |
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| 06:51.53 | dbmoodb | wols http://pastebin.com/d23b77a01 there is the paste |
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| 06:52.47 | wols_ | dbmoodb: and not what I asked |
| 06:52.59 | wols_ | < wols_> dbmoodb: paste the full output including the command you ran |
| 06:53.05 | dbmoodb | oh it was fakeroot make deb |
| 06:53.06 | dbmoodb | ok |
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| 06:53.49 | tyler | dbmoodb: i've just looked over users_guide.pfd in framework-3.1/documentation/, and saw nothing about adding modules, no other files in /documentation appear to be of any interest |
| 06:53.50 | cedric3 | dbmoodb : i download the src deb and use apt-build ? |
| 06:54.09 | wols_ | !info gnash |
| 06:54.11 | dpkg | gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 1076 kB |
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| 06:54.40 | tyler | http://metasploit.com/dev/trac/browser/framework3/trunk/documentation <- documentation folder on their svn |
| 06:54.52 | wols_ | dbmoodb: did you get debian sources of gnash or download a tar.gz |
| 06:55.57 | dbmoodb | tar.gz |
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| 06:56.00 | tyler | dbmoodb: i also see no documentation on their site |
| 06:56.06 | dbmoodb | there is |
| 06:56.27 | dbmoodb | http://metasploit.com/dev/trac/wiki/Metasploit3/InstallUbuntu |
| 06:56.35 | tyler | thats the guide i folloed. |
| 06:56.37 | tyler | followed* |
| 06:56.37 | wols_ | dbmoodb: why did you get the tar.gz when debioan already has .83? |
| 06:56.40 | tyler | it says nothing about adding modules |
| 06:56.45 | cedric3 | nobody have a documentation to buid a src deb ? |
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| 06:56.58 | dbmoodb | oh debian etch already has that ? |
| 06:57.00 | tyler | (its installed and working, i'm trying to add a module) |
| 06:57.01 | wols_ | !apt howto |
| 06:57.01 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or aptitude install apt-howto-en |
| 06:57.13 | dbmoodb | really ?... on debian etch wow |
| 06:57.31 | cedric3 | wols_ : thanks |
| 06:57.35 | wols_ | cedric3: that should have it. you use apt-get source to get the sources and fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage to build the deb basically |
| 06:57.51 | tyler | dbmoodb: its already installed+working, i'm attempting to add an exploit module, which their documentation says nothing about. |
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| 06:58.16 | dbmoodb | wols_: its version 0.8.2-2 in debian etch not 0.8.3blah |
| 06:58.17 | tyler | and like i said ive added it into /modules/exploits/linux/misc/ in ~/.msf3 as well as ~/framework-3.1 |
| 06:58.26 | wols_ | !info gnash |
| 06:58.29 | dpkg | gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 1076 kB |
| 06:58.48 | wols_ | dbmoodb: and a simple sid backport later you have 0.8.3 in etch |
| 06:58.49 | dbmoodb | i'm on etch dude. if i was on lenny i would just use swf-dec |
| 06:58.56 | wols_ | !tell ssb about ssb |
| 06:59.02 | wols_ | !tell dbmoodb about ssb |
| 06:59.10 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 06:59.15 | netdaemon | !info swfdec |
| 06:59.27 | wols_ | dbmoodb: a download tar.gz NEVER has debian/ files. either you add them yourself or you can't make debs from it |
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| 06:59.43 | cedric3 | wols_ : i use etch version and the package nagios3 is on lenny if i use apt-get source nagios3 it found the pakage source ? my sources list is for etch version |
| 06:59.58 | dbmoodb | wols_: i wasn't sure. i assumed they had added them for debian users. obviously a wrong assumption |
| 07:00.07 | cedric3 | or i must add a list source for this |
| 07:00.20 | wols_ | !tell cedric3 about ssb |
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| 07:00.43 | wols_ | cedric3: installing lenny binary packages in etch will break your etch horribly |
| 07:00.52 | tyler | dbmoodb: could you further assist me/point me in some direction? their documentation only covers installing, which isn't my issue. |
| 07:01.10 | dbmoodb | oh ? i thought that was it |
| 07:01.12 | tyler | http://metasploit.com/framework/support/ |
| 07:01.13 | cedric3 | wols_ : no i want the ,src deb of this package to rebuild on my etch system |
| 07:01.27 | wols_ | cedric3: yes. and that factoid tells you how to do that |
| 07:01.31 | cedric3 | i don't want to install the binary just backport |
| 07:01.38 | cedric3 | yes i read this now |
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| 07:03.07 | cedric3 | wols_ : i see on the private channel Ask me about <backports> how i ask if there are backports of nagios 3? |
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| 07:03.14 | cedric3 | : backports nagios3 |
| 07:03.25 | cedric3 | !backports nagios3 |
| 07:03.26 | lkthomas | guys, one one of topic question , dell PERC 6/iR != SAS 6/iR, am I correct ? |
| 07:03.27 | wols_ | cedric3: type "backports |
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| 07:03.31 | wols_ | in the query |
| 07:03.47 | infotron | I have a replacement 21" tube monitor on the way for screen1. screen0 is okay. How can I beef up the signal strength of the red values in the mean time? I think it's lost 20-25% brighness only on red. I have a GeForce 8600 GT pcie video card. |
| 07:04.14 | tyler | dbmoodb: did you see what i said? |
| 07:04.45 | dbmoodb | tyler: must have missed it |
| 07:04.51 | tyler | oh |
| 07:04.56 | tyler | sec |
| 07:05.17 | tyler | "its already installed+working, i'm attempting to add an exploit module, which their documentation says nothing about." |
| 07:05.21 | tyler | "and like i said ive added it into /modules/exploits/linux/misc/ in ~/.msf3 as well as ~/framework-3.1" |
| 07:05.26 | cedric3 | wols_ : sorry but i don't understand where i type backports you tell me on the query |
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| 07:05.31 | tyler | http://metasploit.com/framework/support/ |
| 07:05.35 | tyler | support/doc link ^ |
| 07:05.36 | dbmoodb | you added what now ? |
| 07:05.43 | tyler | im trying to add an exploit heh |
| 07:05.47 | tyler | im not having trouble installing it. |
| 07:05.47 | wols_ | cedric3: in that "private channel" as you described it |
| 07:06.00 | tyler | its installed and fully working, im trying to add an exploit though. |
| 07:06.03 | dbmoodb | oh you trying to add one you made / from elsewhere-- ask in #metasploit if they have a channel |
| 07:06.09 | dbmoodb | svn update ? |
| 07:06.10 | tyler | yeah. |
| 07:06.11 | tyler | nah |
| 07:06.17 | tyler | it wouldnt be in the repo |
| 07:06.22 | tyler | nope no channel |
| 07:06.29 | tyler | ive rooted google looking for it already |
| 07:06.35 | cydork | tyler: you should try the mailing list |
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| 07:06.37 | tyler | and afaik you just add it into /modules/exploits/ |
| 07:06.38 | tyler | ohhh |
| 07:06.41 | tyler | good idea |
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| 07:07.15 | infotron | looks at the gamma monitor settings in xorg man pages |
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| 07:07.48 | cydork | tyler: i have seen similiar posts there, just search for it.. And it's msf is OT here ;) |
| 07:07.56 | wols_ | infotron: nvidia has a settings utility if you use nvidia drivers. if you use nv you need to check X yes |
| 07:07.57 | tyler | ahh yeah |
| 07:08.09 | tyler | thangs, cydork / dbmoodb :) |
| 07:08.16 | tyler | is trying out the mailing list |
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| 07:09.09 | mhymn | hi, how can i close the port 709/tcp? is it dangerous? |
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| 07:09.27 | tyler | mhymn: check out iptables |
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| 07:09.42 | tyler | and if i were you i'd google port 709 to see what services use it. |
| 07:09.56 | mhymn | entrustmanager |
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| 07:10.01 | wols_ | mhymn: as root, netstat -anp|grep 709 |
| 07:10.02 | mhymn | whats that? |
| 07:10.34 | cahoot | entrust sounds like you should trust it |
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| 07:10.51 | wols_ | sounds like he shouldn't ask about his non debian problems here |
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| 07:11.59 | Becker_11 | Hi I am trying to install debian via a bootable usb key and then downloading the packages off the net (my cdrom is fried) but after booting it says it's searching for an installation iso isn't it meant to have everything it needs on the key already?? |
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| 07:12.30 | kali67 | hi, on etch I installed 2.6.26 but it failed on boot. 2.6.18 runs fine. I have / on a s/w raid. what can I do to fix this ? |
| 07:12.31 | infotron | Becker_11: if windows is installed, www.goodbye-windows.com might be eaiser to use. |
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| 07:12.47 | mhymn | wols_: then what is debian related question? it should be just about dpkg? im using debian, i think that should be enough! |
| 07:13.16 | Becker_11 | infotron I'm currently running kubuntu 8.04 |
| 07:13.18 | wols_ | mhymn: is this entrustmanager running on debian? |
| 07:13.35 | wols_ | !tell Becker_11 about debootstrap |
| 07:13.36 | mhymn | wols_: i dont know what the hell is that! :( |
| 07:13.56 | kali67 | I get "target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" and get bumped into busybox (initramfs) |
| 07:13.56 | wols_ | 09:09 < mhymn> entrustmanager |
| 07:14.00 | wols_ | you brought it up |
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| 07:14.18 | wols_ | mhymn: I told you to run a command as root which you apparently still haven't done |
| 07:14.43 | Becker_11 | wols_ whats debootstrap? |
| 07:14.55 | wols_ | Becker_11: dpkg told you |
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| 07:15.47 | micols | no Becker_11 |
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| 07:15.57 | micols | you need to place your own .iso in the root of the drive |
| 07:16.01 | Becker_11 | wols_ right sorry .... I hadn't noticed the other window open up. |
| 07:16.12 | micols | if i recall correctly, it searches for a .iso file. |
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| 07:16.35 | micols | normally that would be a business card image .iso |
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| 07:19.43 | micols | kali67: sounds like it cannot find your root partition, which means no support for your IDE chipset in kernel |
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| 07:20.00 | hamid | how can make package of kernel headers with make-kpkg ? |
| 07:20.04 | micols | ..or your initramfs forgot to load your ide chipset modules :) |
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| 07:20.09 | Becker_11 | micols so I just download the iso and leave it as is in the root of the drive then boot as before off the usb key ?? |
| 07:20.10 | infotron | bleh. rgb color is not my forte. |
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| 07:20.10 | hamid | when i build a package kernel for debian , it says me that you have not kernel header for install the nvidia driver ? |
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| 07:20.10 | micols | yes Becker_11 |
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| 07:20.11 | Becker_11 | micols thanks for the info |
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| 07:20.11 | Pavlz | hy |
| 07:20.11 | hamid | i wanna build the kernel headers with make-kpkg but i don'y know how . |
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| 07:20.11 | Pavlz | hi |
| 07:20.11 | wols_ | hamid: make-kpkg --targets |
| 07:20.18 | kali67 | micols: 2.6.18 series kernels seem to work fine |
| 07:20.21 | cedric3 | wols_ : i found on packages.debian.org etch-backports nagios3 very good i just download the package src and buid this ok ? |
| 07:20.30 | wols_ | cedric3: no |
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| 07:20.38 | cedric3 | oops |
| 07:20.38 | micols | kali67: what is the problem then? |
| 07:20.54 | wols_ | cedric3: if there is a backport you simply install it like any other package. see the main page of backports.org. check the instructions there |
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| 07:21.05 | cedric3 | ok thanks |
| 07:21.17 | kali67 | micols: i need the newer kernel as i'm able to get the pchdtv card to work well with it |
| 07:21.17 | rendszergazda | hello |
| 07:21.20 | hamid | wols_: it doesn't say nothing about kernel headers :( if you know how , please tell me . |
| 07:21.24 | micols | kali67: you might have gotten a kernel without support for your chipset somehow, or your mkinitramfs (automatic kernel module generation failed upon setting up new kernel_ |
| 07:21.28 | wols_ | hamid: it does |
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| 07:22.00 | kali67 | micols: I suspect it might be the mkinitramfs |
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| 07:22.10 | rendszergazda | i have an nslu2 and since reinstalling with lenny, the usb audio stick produces very choppy sound. |
| 07:22.15 | micols | kali67: its not a normal video4linux device? |
| 07:22.18 | kali67 | micols: and the fact that I / on a s/w raid |
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| 07:22.44 | micols | yes software raid might be the reason. |
| 07:23.01 | kali67 | micols: any suggestions ? |
| 07:23.06 | micols | you need support for that in your kernel |
| 07:23.22 | wols_ | kali67: boot into your install with the old kernel and dpkg-reconfigure the new kernel image again |
| 07:23.31 | micols | my suggestions would be to compile it yourself, that way it'll actually work, if you do it right :) |
| 07:23.48 | rendszergazda | what could be the problem? |
| 07:24.02 | kali67 | micols: that's what I did , actually , d/l'ed the kernel sources and recompiled it |
| 07:24.15 | micols | i never liked debians kernel images much neither did i like neither initrd or initramfs etc. |
| 07:24.20 | micols | nor* |
| 07:24.23 | rendszergazda | with etch, everything worked fine |
| 07:24.32 | wols_ | micols: self compiles is are the reason people always have these kernel problems. which is why you are not supposed to recompile your kernel |
| 07:24.37 | micols | kali67: support for raid1 software in kernel |
| 07:24.40 | wols_ | kali67: why did you compile your own? |
| 07:25.09 | micols | yes wols_ , it should work with a kernel image, one should only compile if he knows what he is doing :) |
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| 07:25.15 | kali67 | wols_: i needed 2.6.26 because I'm testing a box with pchdtv cards in it |
| 07:25.30 | micols | although i had initramfs to fail with a kernel image lately. |
| 07:25.33 | wols_ | kali67: where did you get your kernel config? |
| 07:25.35 | micols | with dpt_i2o kernel module. |
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| 07:25.56 | kali67 | wols;I copied the config from the existing kernel |
| 07:25.58 | micols | somehow i had to add my modules to the /etc file for initramfs |
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| 07:26.35 | kali67 | wols: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config in /usr/src/linux |
| 07:26.40 | micols | even though its supposed to be intelligent and figure out if it will boot or not, and load modules accordingly into the image |
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| 07:27.20 | wols_ | kali67: make oldconfig? |
| 07:27.26 | cedric33 | wols_ : thanks i read the doc i add deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main on the source list |
| 07:27.35 | kali67 | wols, micols; i did not have any trouble with 2.6.26 on another Etch box with / on non raid partition |
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| 07:28.04 | cedric33 | and install nagios3 ;) |
| 07:28.17 | kali67 | wols: make menuconfig, load alternate file, select .config and save it , then make-kpkg etc |
| 07:28.28 | micols | kali67: just compile in your chipset + support for software raid + filesystem support, everything in kernel then you dont even have to mkinitramfs or update-initramfs |
| 07:28.49 | micols | its ugly, but it will work :) |
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| 07:30.47 | jabka | how can i avoide KVERS = unknown when building deb source package |
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| 07:31.21 | micols | hm i wonder how i can limit single processes bandwidth on my system using QoS |
| 07:32.05 | wols_ | micols: lartc.org |
| 07:32.07 | micols | its a thick client, and cp commands will lag it also my rtorrent lags it when it hashes |
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| 07:32.14 | cedric3 | wols_ : my last question i add the source list of backport and try apt-get install nagios3 and it install now it's for you my manipulation is good for you ? |
| 07:32.17 | kali67 | micols: I'll give that a try |
| 07:32.19 | micols | rtorrent can be fixed easily, but cp cant :( |
| 07:32.27 | wols_ | kali67: you should have ran make oldconfig |
| 07:32.38 | wols_ | kali67: and no "load alternate file" in menuconfig either |
| 07:32.41 | micols | and wondershaper isnt a solution i think |
| 07:32.54 | micols | if i used it to shape my traffic at 90% max |
| 07:33.13 | kali67 | wols_: why ? doesn't load the alternate file load the oldconfig ? |
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| 07:34.06 | micols | i think i know what should be throttled now.. i got everything over NFS, so it should throttle all my nfs shares at 90% except my root which is at 100% :) |
| 07:34.23 | norritt | hi @ll, some one knows for wath the port 44024/tcp on a new installed debian etch is? |
| 07:34.49 | micols | wonder how that is possible :) |
| 07:35.01 | micols | any idea wols_ , i have been to that site before |
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| 07:35.30 | marc_ | hi, do you know why the network configuration tool in System -> Administration -> Network has disapeared in my lenny distribution? And what can i do? |
| 07:35.52 | micols | norritt: michael@mws:~% grep 44024 /etc/services returns nothing |
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| 07:36.00 | dutchfish | micols, how many users use those nfs shares aprox.? |
| 07:36.14 | micols | dutchfish: only me |
| 07:36.15 | norritt | micols: no there is no entry in the services file |
| 07:36.32 | dutchfish | micols, why you would want to throtle then? |
| 07:36.38 | micols | but i use them on my laptop and xbox too |
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| 07:36.51 | micols | dutchfish: my thin client lags when it uses 100% bandwidth |
| 07:36.52 | wols_ | norritt: as root, netstat -anp |grep 44024 |
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| 07:37.00 | micols | as it got root fs over nfs |
| 07:37.15 | dutchfish | micols, use trickle on thta client then |
| 07:37.18 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/RY0fOg62.html dutchfish |
| 07:37.25 | norritt | wols_: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:44024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2087/rpc.statd |
| 07:37.36 | wols_ | norritt: there you have it. now you know |
| 07:37.36 | micols | each time i cp on i.e. /nfs/bigdaddy a large file my thin client hangs as it cannot access / fast enough |
| 07:37.47 | micols | because my whole bandwidth is utilized (100mbit) |
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| 07:38.19 | norritt | rpc.statd is it used for nfs? |
| 07:38.21 | micols | upgrading to 1gbit tomorrow but i still want it fixed , im sure it wont solve the problem completely |
| 07:38.37 | micols | i will still be hashing and cping etc on bigdaddy. |
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| 07:39.34 | norritt | ah, yes its the portmapper |
| 07:39.47 | norritt | thx a lot .. cu @ll |
| 07:40.03 | dutchfish | micols, i doubt that 1gb eth will solve that |
| 07:40.16 | micols | it will make it less appearing but not solve it yes |
| 07:40.52 | dutchfish | micols, or make it worse |
| 07:40.54 | xingu | micols: you are using nfs on tcp, right? |
| 07:40.55 | micols | wonder if its possible at all, i want to QoS all my shares except /dev/nfsroot :) |
| 07:41.04 | micols | no UDP xingu |
| 07:41.09 | xingu | ... |
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| 07:42.23 | micols | xingu: why should tcp help it? |
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| 07:42.53 | xingu | micols: because udp leaves rate estimation up to the application and nfsd's the world over are more broken than stock tcp |
| 07:43.31 | xingu | micols: that, and you get more in the way of interrupt (really, context-switch) mitigation using tcp (think about it) |
| 07:43.34 | xingu | vanishes |
| 07:43.38 | micols | xingu: right, i would need tcp in the end for QoS |
| 07:44.22 | micols | humm, i dont get it .. i dont see how it should solve my problem, i tried tcp too. |
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| 07:45.27 | micols | udp is faster thats why i use it. |
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| 07:47.16 | netdaemon | udp screws you if a packet gets bounced back |
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| 07:48.22 | dutchfish | micols, you problem might as well being hardware related (cables, switches etc) |
| 07:49.06 | micols | no dutchfish its not, its my bandwidth getting excessive used |
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| 07:49.20 | micols | its at 100% utilization |
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| 07:49.43 | dutchfish | micols, that doesnt mean anything if your latency is poor |
| 07:49.44 | micols | no wonder i cannot use my nfs root when my other shares take 100% of my network. |
| 07:50.15 | dutchfish | micols, but there are tools to check that |
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| 07:50.48 | micols | i use gkrellm and it says 12.6M disk right now when rtorrent is hashing |
| 07:50.52 | marc_ | hi, do you know why the network configuration tool in System -> Administration -> Network has disapeared in my lenny distribution? And what can i do? |
| 07:50.59 | micols | i am running 100mbit full duplex and its terribly slow right now. |
| 07:51.01 | Danker | Hi |
| 07:51.16 | micols | 12.6M should be somehow using the full duplex as its over simplex :) |
| 07:51.23 | Danker | I have an old 5.25" floppy image |
| 07:51.24 | micols | so i got both read and writes going on |
| 07:51.29 | Danker | How should I read it? |
| 07:51.44 | Danker | tried using mount but it complains about filesystem type |
| 07:51.50 | micols | goes up to 13.2M on disk. |
| 07:52.02 | Danker | FAT: invalid media value (0x01) |
| 07:52.03 | Danker | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop0. |
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| 07:52.32 | dutchfish | Danker, did you try to mount as fat or vfat? |
| 07:52.45 | cahoot | run file on it? |
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| 07:53.12 | Danker | tried to mount as vfat and msdos |
| 07:53.27 | Danker | Maybe there is some pcdos version? x) |
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| 07:55.01 | dutchfish | Danker, what does fdisk /dev/fd0 says? if thats your device that is |
| 07:55.12 | Danker | I have only image |
| 07:55.16 | Danker | Not device :) |
| 07:55.18 | dutchfish | Danker, err fdisk -l /dev/fd0 |
| 07:55.28 | dutchfish | Danker, ah ok |
| 07:55.44 | dutchfish | Danker, you have to try to loop mount it |
| 07:56.04 | Danker | Tried |
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| 07:56.12 | Danker | Outputs error as I have written |
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| 07:56.25 | cahoot | Danker: file <image>? |
| 07:56.41 | Danker | Says it is data file |
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| 07:56.53 | dutchfish | Danker, http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/user/loop-device-usage.html |
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| 07:58.23 | Danker | dutchfish: I will give a try ;) |
| 07:59.01 | dutchfish | Danker, or mount /tmp/fdimage /mnt -t msdos -o loop=/dev/loop3,blocksize=1024 (if you know blocksize) |
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| 08:01.09 | Danker | What block size there could be for "5¼-inch DD1978360 KB"? |
| 08:01.16 | Danker | 5¼-inch DD 1978 360 KB |
| 08:01.25 | dutchfish | Danker, i forgot (to long agao) ;) |
| 08:01.54 | dutchfish | Danker, 1k 512b the sort a like |
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| 08:02.13 | dutchfish | Danker, but google surely knows |
| 08:02.15 | RaymondX | setting up an antique shop? :-D |
| 08:02.28 | Danker | Already searching ;) |
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| 08:02.53 | dutchfish | Danker, try it without blocksize param first |
| 08:03.07 | dutchfish | Danker, the loop part you will need |
| 08:04.06 | Ergo^ | hello, im having a problem solving simple issue, how to format pendrive to ntfs ? gparted doesnt want to cooperate... |
| 08:04.19 | Danker | Could you guess blocksize according to this http://www.sfr-fresh.com/linux/misc/syslinux-3.70.tar.gz:a/syslinux-3.70/doc/memdisk.txt dutchfish |
| 08:04.21 | Danker | ? |
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| 08:05.47 | dutchfish | Danker, i gues not on a diskimage, nit sure |
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| 08:12.13 | Danker | Still no success |
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| 08:12.29 | dutchfish | Danker, did you try: /sbin/fdisk -lu disk.img |
| 08:12.37 | cvn | hi how do i use samba to transfer file from windows to my debian? |
| 08:12.39 | Danker | Haven't |
| 08:14.53 | Danker | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m41610096 - maybe it is using some really old fs? |
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| 08:16.12 | dutchfish | Danker, any idee how this image was made? |
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| 08:16.20 | Danker | No |
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| 08:16.44 | b_jonas | hi, |
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| 08:16.55 | cvn | hi how do i use samba to transfer file from windows to my debian? |
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| 08:17.57 | kantor | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.59 | kantor | hi, I wrote a program that spins up the CD or DVD by continuously reading from it and after that (when the drive is at the full speed ) executes a transfer rate test. BUT after spin up the transfer rate test skips very fast to 30, 40 % even if I lseek () to the beginning of the CD, or even if I use the pread () function to specify explicitly from where to read. It's like a buffer "remembers" how many bytes I read with the spin up and when the transfer rate t |
| 08:17.59 | kantor | est starts automatically skips that amount of data that I read with the spin-up |
| 08:18.02 | kantor | why is that ? |
| 08:19.08 | Danker | dutchfish: Maybe there is some emulator for old devices x) Maybe some dosemu or dosbox is capable? |
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| 08:21.14 | b_jonas | I want to create at.allow and cron.allow files to restrict which users may use at and crontab. However, I'd like to know what system users may need to use at/cron on a debian system so that I don't break something. |
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| 08:21.25 | b_jonas | Could you tell me how I'd find a complete list of such users? |
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| 08:22.24 | dutchfish | Danker, Danker i you cant mount it, i doubt that |
| 08:22.38 | dutchfish | Danker, but you can try |
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| 08:23.42 | drag0n-irl | Is there a reference file for the HVM guest config file for xen? I can't seem to find it. |
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| 08:23.53 | drag0n-irl | s/file/doc |
| 08:25.11 | dutchfish | Danker, maybe use a haxeditor and find out what the first 512 bytes contains |
| 08:25.35 | dutchfish | Danker, could be a propriarety format |
| 08:25.58 | dutchfish | Danker, sorry for all the typos ;) |
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| 08:26.17 | Danker | Tried looking before but I don't understand anything there ;) |
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| 08:26.41 | dutchfish | Danker, any clue what it should contain? |
| 08:27.03 | Danker | No |
| 08:27.10 | Danker | It has something on first line |
| 08:27.20 | Danker | And later it seems it is pretty empty |
| 08:27.31 | Danker | Only some kind of "dump" data |
| 08:27.41 | b_jonas | kantor: part of the contents of the cd may be cached by the kernel |
| 08:27.50 | b_jonas | that's pretty normal I think, that's what it should do with every media |
| 08:27.56 | Danker | Although there is some regions with data |
| 08:27.58 | dutchfish | Danker, yes, fdisk also stated that it could not find a partition table, might as well be a not healty image |
| 08:28.23 | b_jonas | the kernel can know when a removable disk is removed (even with a floppy) so it can do that reliably |
| 08:28.40 | b_jonas | dutchfish: could it be a single file system image without any partition table? |
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| 08:28.47 | b_jonas | that's one case when there's no partition table |
| 08:28.54 | b_jonas | I've seen usb thingies formatted like that |
| 08:28.57 | dutchfish | b_jonas, yes, possible too |
| 08:28.59 | b_jonas | try mounting as a whole |
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| 08:29.35 | dutchfish | b_jonas, back then there where many non-dos formats around too |
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| 08:29.47 | b_jonas | also try mounting with -oloop,offset=$[63*512] and with -oloop,offset=512 in case the partition table is damaged but the fs is there |
| 08:29.48 | dutchfish | b_jonas, like cpm |
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| 08:30.13 | b_jonas | also, people have recommended looking the kernel log output after mounting, right? |
| 08:30.24 | b_jonas | you can also try mounting readonly but it's unlikely that helps |
| 08:31.44 | dutchfish | Danker, b_jonas there was also a compressed format (ibm and the like) for those |
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| 08:31.56 | norritt | on debian etch (4.0), tomcat 5.5.20, java 1.5.0_14-b03 i try to make listening tomcat on port 80. if i change  Connector port="8180" to  Connector port="80" tomcat dos not open the port...... befor changing config file, tomcat open ports= 8005, 8009, 8180 after changing the port 8180 to 80, tomcat opens only the port 8005 some hints wath i do wrong? |
| 08:32.00 | b_jonas | dutchfish: also, try file -s imagename |
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| 08:34.10 | b_jonas | Danker: compressed format? yeah, that's also possible |
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| 08:34.34 | Danker | Possible... |
| 08:34.37 | b_jonas | ms-dos and windows have a compressed fs (actually more than one) that afaik has no linux driver |
| 08:34.44 | Danker | Now I am looking for solution... |
| 08:35.13 | b_jonas | Danker: did you try mounting the whole thing (instead of a partition), or the part after 512 or 63*512 bytes |
| 08:35.14 | b_jonas | ? |
| 08:35.32 | Danker | Hmm.. |
| 08:35.33 | Danker | No |
| 08:35.35 | dutchfish | Danker, look at the first few bytes in the file with a hexeditor, most of the time it will give you a clue |
| 08:35.37 | b_jonas | Danker: also, what medium is it? is it an old hard disk? I arrived late |
| 08:35.48 | Danker | DSDD floppy disk |
| 08:35.49 | dutchfish | fd |
| 08:35.54 | Danker | 360kb |
| 08:35.58 | b_jonas | Danker: and you did look at kernel log messages after trying to mount, right? |
| 08:36.00 | Danker | 5.25" |
| 08:36.03 | Danker | Yap |
| 08:36.21 | b_jonas | wow, can you even _read_ that with a modern floppy drive? |
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| 08:36.24 | dutchfish | b_jonas, http://pastebin.com/m41610096 |
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| 08:36.58 | b_jonas | I mean, what if it's physically formatted in a strange way, not like how pc floppy drives usually do? |
| 08:37.09 | b_jonas | also, did you try to put it in with the other side up? |
| 08:37.23 | b_jonas | if it's a floppy, it could also be empty :-) |
| 08:37.25 | Danker | With offset: |
| 08:37.26 | dutchfish | its an aimage |
| 08:37.26 | Danker | FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 08:37.26 | Danker | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev loop1. |
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| 08:38.02 | b_jonas | Danker: if it's a dos floppy image, it likely doesn't have a partition table, just mount the whole thing (no offset) |
| 08:38.08 | Danker | Tried |
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| 08:39.17 | b_jonas | there were also at least two utilities for dos to physically and logically format floppies differently than the standard dos format and read/write them that way |
| 08:39.42 | b_jonas | they were useful for they could gain lots of extra space on a floppy |
| 08:39.56 | b_jonas | but I'm not sure if anything like that existed back at 360kb floppies |
| 08:39.59 | freebird | dondelelcaro, are you still there man |
| 08:40.00 | Danker | b_jonas: Could you name them? |
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| 08:40.08 | b_jonas | I'm too old for 360kb floppies |
| 08:40.12 | b_jonas | Danker: hmm, |
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| 08:40.44 | b_jonas | there was some postcardware called with something like 2M in its name (for two megabytes of storage on a 1.44M floppy) |
| 08:40.58 | b_jonas | and there was some other |
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| 08:41.18 | b_jonas | I forgot, because I never used them, I'm too old for them too |
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| 08:42.26 | freebird | someone said that I can't use exim, maildir and virtual users with courier pop and imap, is that true you guys, can't find nothing about it |
| 08:43.15 | hamid | hey guys, i wanna change my cloak nickname to [debian/*] , can i ? |
| 08:44.29 | liable | nope |
| 08:45.17 | hamid | liable: were you with me ? |
| 08:45.31 | liable | yep |
| 08:45.43 | hamid | liable: why :( |
| 08:46.02 | liable | hamid: apparently for DD's only. someone asked about it the other day |
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| 08:46.24 | Danker | b_jonas: dutchfish How can I mount only first cylinder? |
| 08:46.31 | idimmu | freebird, sounds like lies if you ask me |
| 08:46.34 | dutchfish | Danker, does byte 2 contain the " in the hexeditor ? |
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| 08:47.00 | freebird | idimmu, I see, |
| 08:47.01 | b_jonas | Danker: you can't really, I think, it's up to the fs driver to touch only the size needed, |
| 08:47.01 | dutchfish | Danker, if so it could be atari |
| 08:47.12 | Danker | It contains 3 |
| 08:47.13 | b_jonas | Danker: you could copy it to a separate file and loop mount that thouhg |
| 08:47.25 | b_jonas | Danker: that should be easy with a floppy image for it's small |
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| 08:47.51 | hamid | liable: ok , thx |
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| 08:47.55 | freebird | idimmu, why I can't get courier to delivery messages to my Maildir directory, it seems well configured, they are all going to /var/mail/user |
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| 08:49.13 | shmho | hmhm., I have updated my lenny-box now, but it just stopped with libavutil/libavcodec update error. Is there any problem? I didnt' update that for a month, and I can't start X so cant' use the web search. |
| 08:49.35 | Blackhold | hello, I'm using rsync with options -arvuz but I have some directories empty and the source don't have these directories empty, I'm doing a backup from source to destination, what's wrong? thanks |
| 08:49.49 | idimmu | probably because you're doing it wrong |
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| 08:50.03 | idimmu | i use exim to deliver in to virtual Maildirs though |
| 08:50.09 | Danker | How much bytes could first cylinder take? |
| 08:50.12 | freebird | idimmu, yeah, that`s for sure, but can`t figuret it out |
| 08:50.33 | freebird | idimmu, do you have that confi on that machine you`re now |
| 08:50.35 | idimmu | i could help with exim but i havent configured courier in 100 years |
| 08:50.40 | idimmu | yes |
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| 08:51.24 | freebird | idimmu, well, that config must be on courier right |
| 08:51.42 | idimmu | im pretty sure exim and courier config files are massively different |
| 08:51.43 | freebird | idimmu, as far as I know, exim will only send the messages, right |
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| 08:52.04 | DawnLight | hello |
| 08:52.22 | idimmu | it depends what you're doing |
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| 08:52.37 | DawnLight | has anyone got an AM2 board that works perfectly with etch? |
| 08:52.48 | freebird | exim for smtp, courier pop for pop, courier imap for imap, all running |
| 08:53.10 | freebird | idimmu, messages that arrive are going to /var/mail/name |
| 08:53.25 | freebird | idimmu, as they should go to /home/user/Maildir |
| 08:53.26 | idimmu | ok then |
| 08:53.31 | idimmu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.36 | idimmu | in the localdelivery transport |
| 08:54.13 | freebird | idimmu, should I check that on exim ? |
| 08:54.23 | idimmu | the way you phrased your original question "can't get courier to delivery messages to my Maildir directory" confused me |
| 08:54.32 | idimmu | as you're using exim to deliver mails not courier |
| 08:54.39 | idimmu | yes freebird |
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| 08:55.31 | freebird | idimmu, sorry for that, I`m a bit confused, as far as I know, exim will send the messages, and courier will recieve the messages, isn`t that right |
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| 08:56.36 | idimmu | i *think* you can use exim to deliver to courier that then delivers them to somewhere else (e.g. local Maildir) |
| 08:56.39 | idimmu | but thats weird and crazy |
| 08:56.46 | idimmu | so i just use exim to deliver them in to the Maildir |
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| 08:56.56 | idimmu | (and then i use dovecot to pop or imap them back out) |
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| 08:57.03 | idimmu | courier is so 1990s :o |
| 08:57.14 | g00se | I'm such a wireless newb i don't even know for certain where to start. Do i take it that in the absence of gui tools (not that i'm interested in them), it would be a case of iwlist followed by iwconfig? |
| 08:57.14 | steven_ | im looking to tune a large RAID array for mysql performance |
| 08:57.44 | steven_ | i'm currently doing some testing with various options and bonnie anoyone got any good tips/recommended settings ? |
| 08:58.09 | b_jonas | Danker: you can try looking at the first few sectors in case they have ascii strings, some filesystem formats have the name of them or something like that as ascii in the header that may help |
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| 08:58.29 | steven_ | i think i have decided on RAID 10 pertty much, but what about stipe size filesystem/filesystem settings ? |
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| 08:58.30 | hamid | behrad: man porsidam goftan nemishe :| |
| 08:59.15 | idimmu | steven_: i think we worked out xfs was best for mysqld |
| 08:59.51 | idimmu | also the more spindles the better so raid 0 :) |
| 09:00.09 | steven_ | i need fault tolerance as well" :) |
| 09:00.33 | idimmu | then get a 2nd server and slave to it :) |
| 09:01.00 | steven_ | idimmu: already do but still need fault tolerance |
| 09:01.02 | Knight_Lord | I have a relatively small website, and I would like to use a CMS for it to help organizing it. Which one would you suggest? |
| 09:01.24 | steven_ | failing over to a slave is a real pain because of the applications we use |
| 09:01.46 | steven_ | and with 800gig RAID made up of 146gig drives one will fail quire regularly no doubt |
| 09:02.01 | idimmu | you would have to change a lot of your architecture if done in hindsight :( |
| 09:02.26 | steven_ | idimmu: arch change is not possible needs to be done! but not possible :) |
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| 09:02.51 | steven_ | the plan is actually to have to servers master to master |
| 09:03.02 | steven_ | which also have 2 slaves |
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| 09:03.17 | ericpersson | I just tried goodbye-microsoft.com which seemed like a fine idea, on an old laptop, but it has windows me, which the debian.exe doesnt support. Is there any alternatives for the windows me? |
| 09:03.19 | steven_ | then on the 2 salves we can run deletes to keep the dataset small for running reports |
| 09:03.31 | steven_ | and still have all the data availble on the main nodes |
| 09:03.48 | steven_ | but im going off tpoic just looking for the filesystem setup at the mo :) |
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| 09:04.06 | steven_ | what kind of options were you using with XFS ? |
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| 09:04.26 | steven_ | i must admit im a fan of ext3 it's tried and tested xfs is new teritory for me |
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| 09:04.39 | Sumpen | guys, i cant seem the find the iptables init script in /etc/init.d.. how do i restart the service? Running etch |
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| 09:07.05 | ryan-c | Sumpen: it's not in /etc/init.d, it's under /etc/rcS.d |
| 09:07.15 | b_jonas | Sumpen: debian doesn't have an iptables init script by default, doesn't it? |
| 09:07.39 | ryan-c | do an ls /etc/rcS.d/S3* and it should show up if installed |
| 09:07.48 | b_jonas | ericpersson: does the laptop has a working floppy disk or cd drive? |
| 09:08.01 | ryan-c | heh, floppy drive |
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| 09:08.06 | Sumpen | thx! |
| 09:08.08 | Sumpen | all |
| 09:08.13 | b_jonas | ryan-c: he said old laptop |
| 09:08.20 | ericpersson | b_jonas: unfortunately not, or perhaps i have a floppy somewhere, that might be an option.. |
| 09:08.39 | b_jonas | ericpersson: windows me doesn't have a dos-like command line, right? |
| 09:08.39 | ryan-c | oh. it has windows me? |
| 09:08.41 | ryan-c | ick |
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| 09:08.48 | ryan-c | windows me is why i switched to linux |
| 09:09.07 | freebird | idimmu, tks man, but that`s confusing, why would exim have to deliver something to the courier pop package, I mean, isn`t that the courier job ??? |
| 09:09.34 | idimmu | you dont really know how email works do you :( |
| 09:09.38 | b_jonas | ericpersson: well, I can't really think of a good way unless you can plug in some floppy or hard disk or cd to it or remove and write its hard disk |
| 09:09.40 | idimmu | exim writes the messages to the maildir folder |
| 09:09.47 | idimmu | courier reads the messages from the maildir folder |
| 09:10.27 | ericpersson | b_jonas: I'll guess i just have to plug out the harddrive and do it from my usual laptop.. |
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| 09:10.53 | ericpersson | b_jonas: just didnt have a suitable screwdriver lying around.. :/ |
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| 09:11.14 | freebird | idimmu, so in this case, exim the smtp server, sends email and recieve the emails, correct, after that, it writes to Maildir, and so then, courier starts working, |
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| 09:11.29 | idimmu | well courier starts working when the user logs in to it |
| 09:11.39 | idimmu | to get their email |
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| 09:11.53 | idimmu | until that time its just sat their doing nothing |
| 09:11.57 | idimmu | watching |
| 09:11.58 | idimmu | waiting |
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| 09:12.28 | freebird | idimmu, not sure if i`m too stupid, but I`ve always thought that smtp was to send the message, and pop to recieve, in this case, smtp sends and recieves the message |
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| 09:12.32 | freebird | idimmu, cool |
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| 09:13.10 | idimmu | you're definitely stupid, but its just a terminology problem :) |
| 09:13.23 | idimmu | users do use pop to 'receive' their emails |
| 09:13.43 | idimmu | but thats just the english language getting in the way |
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| 09:14.08 | freebird | idimmu, no problems with the english friend, can`t write that well, but can understand all of it |
| 09:14.13 | idimmu | :) |
| 09:14.18 | Danker | I figured out that it could be fat12 fs..... |
| 09:14.39 | Danker | Anyone knows how to mount fat12 on linux? |
| 09:14.44 | freebird | yeah, now I get it, I`m getting confused because the server is in the same machine I`m trying to read hte emails, |
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| 09:15.12 | newbie | hello |
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| 09:16.40 | newbie | anyone ? |
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| 09:17.12 | liable | um, you didnt ask a question. what do you expect? |
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| 09:17.49 | newbie | oh, hello ;d |
| 09:17.50 | b_jonas | Danker: the normal fat driver can mount it |
| 09:17.51 | newbie | true |
| 09:18.08 | newbie | i just installed debian from the netinst cd |
| 09:18.09 | b_jonas | Danker: that is, the msdos or the vfat driver |
| 09:18.29 | newbie | what should i do now to access the x ? |
| 09:18.33 | b_jonas | Danker: if that doesn't work, there are also other ways but I'm not sure they would work as well |
| 09:18.51 | Danker | same as before... |
| 09:18.52 | Danker | grrr |
| 09:19.10 | b_jonas | Danker: there's a userspace tool in linux for accessing fat12 floppies, but I'm not sure if it can work on images in files |
| 09:19.24 | norton- | I installed Debian with LVM, the root filesystem is also LVM so when shutting down I get an error saying that it failed to deactivate the volume group because the root filesystem is still mounted. How can I fix that? |
| 09:19.36 | Danker | What is it's name? |
| 09:19.37 | b_jonas | Danker: if it doesn't have confident information, you can try uploading it somewhere and I can try mounting it with a real dos in an emulator |
| 09:19.58 | Danker | Like dosemu? |
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| 09:20.02 | b_jonas | Danker: mtools or something like that I think, the exe names were mcopy and mdir and things like that |
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| 09:20.26 | b_jonas | Danker: no, rather like vmware, dosemu doesn't run a real ms-dos |
| 09:20.37 | b_jonas | Danker: I have a bochs with ms-dos installed |
| 09:20.37 | Danker | Hmm... |
| 09:20.44 | Danker | I don't have msdos |
| 09:20.46 | b_jonas | (no freedos though) |
| 09:20.53 | b_jonas | you can try freedos |
| 09:20.57 | Danker | Only win95... |
| 09:20.59 | Danker | Ok |
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| 09:21.02 | Danker | I will |
| 09:21.07 | joelsolanki | Hi friends |
| 09:21.07 | b_jonas | oh, win95 might work |
| 09:21.26 | b_jonas | if it's win95 osr2 it can even read the long filenames |
| 09:21.48 | joelsolanki | apt-get install kaffe-pthreads gives me Couldn't find package kaffe-pthreads |
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| 09:21.56 | joelsolanki | i am installing this on debian woody |
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| 09:22.09 | joelsolanki | any help plz |
| 09:22.26 | newbie | can somebody help me ? i can pvt |
| 09:22.41 | newbie | it's just a little hand ;p |
| 09:22.46 | freebird | idimmu, inside my /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf I`ve setted `dc_localdelivery=maildir_home', do you have the same in there, can`t find that on google, |
| 09:22.51 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 09:22.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:23.35 | joelsolanki | how to get package installed of kaffe-pthreads in debian woody ? |
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| 09:23.43 | newbie | i just installed Debian etch from the CD NetInst |
| 09:23.49 | idimmu | freebird: yeah all that stuff is debian/ubuntu specific |
| 09:23.55 | idimmu | and whilst some might say its GREAT |
| 09:23.59 | newbie | what should i do now to run the graphic mode |
| 09:23.59 | idimmu | its actually massively shit |
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| 09:24.14 | idimmu | if i said what i thought about hte maintainer id get banned again |
| 09:24.20 | joelsolanki | i m very new to debian. plz help. |
| 09:24.40 | joelsolanki | apt-get install kaffe-pthreads gives me Couldn't find package kaffe-pthreads |
| 09:24.44 | idimmu | joelsolanki: as root do : apt-get install <package> |
| 09:24.49 | idimmu | well get the right name for it |
| 09:24.57 | joelsolanki | i did that but getting error |
| 09:24.59 | Maulkin | joelsolanki: And bear in mind that woody is rather old... |
| 09:25.27 | joelsolanki | yes its old but one of applications is using woody and we have to use it :( |
| 09:25.39 | newbie | what should i do after have Debian Etch installed from the CD NetInst to run the graphic mode ? |
| 09:25.47 | Maulkin | Well, I'm afraid we can't support it. It's now far too old. |
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| 09:25.51 | DawnLight | anyone has experience with AM2 motherboards and etch? |
| 09:25.56 | Maulkin | !gnome |
| 09:25.57 | dpkg | hmm... gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
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| 09:26.05 | DawnLight | i'm looking for a production use motherboard |
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| 09:26.12 | Maulkin | newbie: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 09:26.23 | Crypticfortune | Is there some easy way to list all packages that I currently have marked "hold" or "keep"? |
| 09:26.26 | joelsolanki | i need this file /usr/lib/kaffe/pthreads/lib/tools.jar |
| 09:26.37 | Maulkin | Crypticfortune: dpkg -l |
| 09:26.39 | newbie | Maulkin: but i want xfce |
| 09:26.42 | joelsolanki | therefore trying to install kaffe-pthreads |
| 09:27.02 | newbie | Maulkin: what command should i make ? |
| 09:27.52 | Crypticfortune | Maulkin: right, that was obvious *^^* |
| 09:28.03 | Maulkin | newbie: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
| 09:28.37 | newbie | Maulkin: and then to configure ? or i dont need to ? |
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| 09:29.13 | Maulkin | newbie: you *should* be ok |
| 09:29.26 | Maulkin | joelsolanki: I think kaffe-pthreads wasn't in woody |
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| 09:29.31 | newbie | alright |
| 09:29.53 | newbie | i'll try it then i *should* get back asap :D |
| 09:30.02 | newbie | cya and thx Maulkin |
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| 09:31.07 | freebird | you guys, I`ve a package installed and configured, I want to remove that package and also remove the config files, so next time I install it, it`s like if I was installing it first time, dpkg -p or apt-get remove wont do that, any ideas |
| 09:31.26 | freebird | could do that by hand, but the confi options wont show |
| 09:32.01 | Maulkin | freebird: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 09:32.06 | cydork | freebird: did you delete the conf files by hand? |
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| 09:32.52 | freebird | cydork, no, should I |
| 09:32.57 | cydork | freebird: that purge option which Maulkin said should be used.. |
| 09:33.01 | cydork | freebird: no don't.. EVER |
| 09:33.13 | DawnLight | freebird: you could also just go dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 09:33.52 | trigsenior | tip needed, i want to be able to apt-get install onto a usb device , i need to some how share my /usr with usb device any ideas ? |
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| 09:34.33 | freebird | yeah, but there`s an error, and I can`t find it, because exim has like thousands of confi files, and when there`s an error, just doesn`t tells you in which file the error is in |
| 09:34.40 | freebird | sucks, I`m hating exim |
| 09:35.37 | Maulkin | freebird: man grep, or dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and select single file |
| 09:36.49 | trigsenior | any ideas =/ ? |
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| 09:39.17 | Maulkin | trigsenior: I have no idea what you're asking. |
| 09:39.22 | freebird | Maulkin, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config did the work, tks man |
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| 09:41.03 | themill | trigsenior: perhaps /msg dpkg apt-walkabout |
| 09:41.25 | themill | trigsenior: I too have no clue what you mean though... but that *might* be it. |
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| 09:42.28 | trigsenior | i want to be able to install programs onto a usb from terminal using apt-get install. |
| 09:42.32 | newbie | hello again |
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| 09:43.03 | newbie | i couldn't find xfce to install but i did install lib2.0-0 (i think that's the name) |
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| 09:43.20 | newbie | it said this was gnome |
| 09:43.42 | newbie | did i do something wrong ? |
| 09:44.12 | liable | newbie: its called xfce4 |
| 09:44.13 | badcfe | hello. i intend to clone a cd or a dvd. i use dd in=/dev/the_cd_device out=file ; and then use cdrecord of the fetched image. is this how to do it? would i miss out some bytes? |
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| 09:44.19 | liable | newbie: apt-cache search xfce |
| 09:44.22 | DawnLight | is there support for intel GMA 950 in etch? |
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| 09:44.32 | liable | newbie: you also need to install corg |
| 09:45.32 | newbie | liable: oh |
| 09:45.38 | trigsenior | for example i wanted to install vlc not to hard drive but to an external usb. hope bit clearer =\ |
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| 09:45.50 | liable | newbie: erm xorg, not corg |
| 09:45.56 | newbie | liable: Maulkin told me it was "aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies" and i couldn't find it |
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| 09:46.16 | liable | newbie: were you connected to the internet when you installed? |
| 09:46.24 | newbie | liable: i think so |
| 09:46.34 | newbie | liable: how can i check ? |
| 09:46.39 | trigsenior | using apt-get install vlc and would go to usb not hard drive. |
| 09:46.42 | newbie | pppoestatus? |
| 09:46.49 | trigsenior | ping www.google.com |
| 09:46.55 | liable | newbie: you might need to check your sources.list, and paste the actuall errors you get |
| 09:47.21 | newbie | liable: well i did "aptitude install lib2.0-0" and it installed i think |
| 09:47.38 | newbie | liable: that means i was connected? |
| 09:48.34 | liable | newbie: maybe. try aptitude update first. then try and install xfce4 and xorg |
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| 09:55.48 | newbie | liable: but how can i search for the exactly name so i won't install the wrong archive |
| 09:55.56 | newbie | apt-cache search "name"? |
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| 09:56.44 | liable | newbie: aptitude search xfce |
| 09:56.52 | freebird | idimmu, are you still there man, |
| 09:56.58 | liable | newbie: that will give you a list of packages with xfce in the name |
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| 09:57.40 | newbie | liable: then to install is "aptitude install "package name"" |
| 09:57.54 | liable | newbie: yep |
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| 09:58.14 | idimmu | freebird |
| 09:58.14 | liable | newbie: without the quotes |
| 09:58.17 | mrjive | hi * |
| 09:58.36 | newbie | liable: if i get the xfce4 what xorg ver i get ? |
| 09:58.47 | liable | newbie: just install xorg |
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| 09:59.06 | liable | newbie: you will probably want to install gdm too |
| 09:59.11 | freebird | idimmu, man, since you use exim like me, maybe you can help, I`m sending from gmail emails, since yesterday to my server, and the take like half an hour get here |
| 09:59.15 | newbie | then "xorgconfig" and after "startx" ? |
| 09:59.32 | mrjive | i've been asked to put up an autoreply for an emai address (debian stable+exim4, mail users are system users). Where can i start from? any hint? |
| 09:59.34 | newbie | liable: the problem is that it's a crap pc that's why i want xfce |
| 09:59.47 | newbie | gnome's gonna suck here |
| 09:59.52 | idimmu | if your dns and mx records all check out fine |
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| 10:00.02 | idimmu | and there are no crazy bizarre email blocking proxies between you and gmail |
| 10:00.09 | idimmu | its probably just gmail being slow |
| 10:00.12 | freebird | idimmu, well, how do I go sure about that ?? |
| 10:00.25 | liable | newbie: gdm is just a login manager |
| 10:00.35 | mija | hi there |
| 10:00.36 | idimmu | is exims mainlog definitely showing the emails are turning up half an hour late? |
| 10:00.42 | newbie | liable: i thought it was something else, srry |
| 10:00.44 | mija | is there something possible to make a |
| 10:00.48 | idimmu | and its not just a systems thing |
| 10:00.53 | mija | apt-get -y upgrade *bind* |
| 10:01.00 | liable | !reference |
| 10:01.00 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 10:01.02 | newbie | liable: well... i'll give it a try, thank you so much ;) |
| 10:01.08 | newbie | cya soon |
| 10:01.18 | liable | newbie: ^^^ have a read of that doc, its really good for noobs |
| 10:01.22 | liable | bah |
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| 10:02.13 | _gAri- | hi people, I'M compiling a kernel, the standard kernel with the distro works fine, but with my own compiled kernel the keyboard doesnt work. Is there a way to determine what driver the keyboard uses, or something? |
| 10:02.30 | _gAri- | actually the same kernel config on another machine works fine with a ps2 keyboard, not this one |
| 10:02.33 | cydork | _gAri-: why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 10:04.04 | _gAri- | I need specialized stuff in it |
| 10:04.15 | _gAri- | mostly pax and apparmor |
| 10:04.36 | freebird | idimmu, well, kind of confusing, but they are swoing here later, I`ve from my to gmail, and from gmail to me |
| 10:04.37 | _gAri- | I'm doing this since 5 years, and now I'M stuck with a stupid ps2 keyboard issue |
| 10:04.47 | freebird | idimmu, so I guess they are showing fine |
| 10:05.09 | idimmu | you know about exims mainlog yeah |
| 10:05.13 | idimmu | tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 10:05.15 | idimmu | send the email |
| 10:05.21 | idimmu | see if anything pops up in the log |
| 10:05.28 | idimmu | if it doesnt then its gmail being shit |
| 10:05.29 | freebird | idimmu, yes, that`s the one I`m reading it |
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| 10:09.31 | ericpersson | bah, i wish dell would have an option, "No OS at all", or at least "I would like to exclude the harddrive from this purchase" |
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| 10:12.51 | newbie | well |
| 10:13.07 | newbie | i think it would be smarter if i download the first cd full |
| 10:13.20 | newbie | no more netinst cds haha ;p |
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| 10:15.35 | freebird | idimmu, you were right man, shit gmail |
| 10:15.59 | freebird | idimmu, I`ve pointed my squirrelmail to Maildir, and now I can send, recieve and read, all from my domain, pretty cool |
| 10:16.42 | freebird | idimmu, tks man, last thing, I`m configuring squirrelmail to get messages from /home/user, how do I set $user to work with all users |
| 10:17.04 | idimmu | um |
| 10:17.18 | idimmu | shrugs |
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| 10:17.32 | idimmu | youll have to work out how to configure it to use the same virtual user system exim/courier are |
| 10:17.52 | newbie | .eval 2+2 |
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| 10:18.40 | freebird | idimmu, whatt |
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| 10:20.26 | idimmu | $user in what? |
| 10:21.16 | freebird | idimmu, hm, I think I get it, |
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| 10:23.19 | Gigantic | *silence |
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| 10:23.54 | freebird | idimmu, now I`ve setted in squirrel, $data_dir = '/home/$USER/Maildir', I guess that will work |
| 10:24.12 | idimmu | maybe :D |
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| 10:27.08 | freebird | idimmu, yeah, it did, lucky me |
| 10:27.12 | freebird | idimmu, because the code is in php, |
| 10:27.23 | idimmu | that helps |
| 10:27.42 | idimmu | im debugging a php app atm that uses zend encoder to 'protect' it |
| 10:27.53 | idimmu | when i say debug i really mean raising a support ticket and calling the developers cunt |
| 10:27.57 | idimmu | s |
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| 10:28.03 | freebird | idimmu, I see, |
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| 10:28.14 | idimmu | as i cant get any information out of it :/ |
| 10:28.18 | freebird | I code php also |
| 10:28.39 | freebird | 8 years, lol, first thing I did with computers |
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| 10:29.15 | idimmu | i stopped php deving professionally 2 years ago, now im a sysadmin |
| 10:29.31 | idimmu | theres not much money in php development and half the people i had to work with were idiots |
| 10:29.44 | idimmu | java development seems to pay well :o |
| 10:30.38 | ericpersson | idimmu: most people dont really care about the tech behind the scenes, they just want something that works and pays for it.. ;) |
| 10:30.39 | freebird | idimmu, I like sysadmin better, I`ve started 1 year ago, |
| 10:30.44 | phrozen77 | speaking of zend encoder (or other encoders as ioncube as well) do they really offer any protection or can they also be decompiled? |
| 10:30.51 | ericpersson | idimmu: you like javadeving? |
| 10:30.54 | freebird | yeah, that`s true, the other day a guy told me |
| 10:31.10 | idimmu | our company is a javashop |
| 10:31.11 | freebird | I hate computers, but unfortunately, it pays well |
| 10:31.35 | idimmu | its all java here with a few legacy php applications that we're either phasing out or i occasionally maintain |
| 10:31.39 | freebird | I`m sure he wont last 1 month at the company |
| 10:31.40 | vy | I've two disks configured as RAID1 using RAID controller card. Both disks appear as /dev/sd{b,c}. Shouldn't I be seeing them as a single disk? How should I mount 'em? |
| 10:31.42 | ericpersson | freebird: its fun when things are smooth, frustrating at times.. |
| 10:31.49 | idimmu | personally ericpersson i hate everything to do with IT and computers :) |
| 10:31.57 | ericpersson | idimmu: really? |
| 10:32.03 | ericpersson | idimmu: and still working with it? |
| 10:32.06 | idimmu | yeah |
| 10:32.20 | idimmu | cant do anything else and earn even half the money im on atm ! |
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| 10:32.27 | idimmu | *i cant |
| 10:32.32 | ericpersson | idimmu: yeah, same situation here.. |
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| 10:33.10 | klong | heya, can someone remind me what the thing is that programs like usplash/splashy reads to find out the approximate percentage of where a system is at in its bootup |
| 10:33.53 | idimmu | phrozen77: zend/ioncube are afaik pretty solid |
| 10:33.54 | ericpersson | idimmu: you enjoy the sysadmin part better? |
| 10:34.10 | idimmu | depends ericpersson, when everything is going smoothly, sure :) |
| 10:34.20 | idimmu | when things are going tits up and its out of my control, not so much! |
| 10:35.10 | ericpersson | idimmu: i do php development full time, my biggest frustration is time limits, and of course rapid changes of project goals and designs.. |
| 10:35.18 | idimmu | heh |
| 10:35.41 | NET||abuse | ok, we're trying to run a debian-xen server here, then install a virtual instance of ubuntu off dvd media. We need to be able to use the visual display from our desktops, the server is just debian without X11, so we boot up the xen instance which loads the ubuntu disk, and XEN says vnc =1 when the guest starts. how do i vnc to this now so i can witness the ubuntu visual installer?> |
| 10:35.49 | idimmu | customers are rubbish :) |
| 10:36.03 | klong | .list |
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| 10:38.23 | Lagbolt | NET||abuse, you might try ##xen i think if noone here is able to help |
| 10:38.46 | newbie | is this version "debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso" the first cd with xfce ? |
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| 10:42.50 | newbie | the first debian cd is what i need to install and see the graphic mode running ? |
| 10:42.57 | DawnLight | hello. i'm looking for a tool to writing an online documentation |
| 10:43.07 | idimmu | a biro |
| 10:43.13 | idimmu | or some kind of pencil |
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| 10:43.21 | liable | newbie: yes the one you linked above is right |
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| 10:43.37 | Nz17 | How can I remove sessions from GDM's list of sessions? I think I may have edited an "old style" configuration file but I don't know where. |
| 10:43.38 | newbie | liable: :) |
| 10:44.09 | newbie | liable: dont u know a link with a list of the programs that comes within the first debian cd ? |
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| 10:44.33 | stew | newbie: /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 10:44.48 | newbie | !dpkg |
| 10:44.48 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 10:44.56 | newbie | !dpkg cd contents |
| 10:44.57 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 10:45.02 | stew | newbie: please /msg the bot |
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| 10:45.57 | newbie | stew: thx |
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| 10:47.40 | zyx386 | hi |
| 10:47.42 | badcfe | hello. i intend to clone a cd or a dvd. i use dd in=/dev/the_cd_device out=file ; and then use cdrecord of the fetched image. is this how to do it? would i miss out some bytes? |
| 10:48.24 | stew | newbie: please keep your questions in the channel |
| 10:48.31 | Lagbolt | badcfe, yeah dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso then cdrecord to burn the iso |
| 10:48.46 | zyx386 | i have problem with my debian etch server +mysql server. i receive this error " |
| 10:48.49 | zyx386 | Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Can't create UNIX socket (12) " any idea how can i fix that for ever? |
| 10:48.51 | Lagbolt | but i think cdrecord is now wodim |
| 10:48.56 | newbie | the first debian cd has XFCE4 or Fluxbox and xorg ? |
| 10:49.01 | badcfe | Lagbolt: ok ... i worried cause the resulting on-cd image was smaller than the original |
| 10:49.10 | idimmu | zyx386: what ports is the server listening on? |
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| 10:49.23 | Lagbolt | badcfe, really? |
| 10:49.31 | zyx386 | idimmu, i dont know? |
| 10:49.39 | idimmu | find out? |
| 10:49.49 | badcfe | Lagbolt: yes. i dd the resulting cd into file2 and see its a few bytes smaller than fila |
| 10:49.50 | zyx386 | how can i finde out |
| 10:50.04 | Lagbolt | what is fila? |
| 10:50.13 | Lagbolt | you saying it is smaller than the mounted cd filesystem? |
| 10:50.16 | badcfe | file .... the one i used to clone |
| 10:50.19 | idimmu | cat /etc/mysql/my.cnf | grep bind |
| 10:50.35 | Lagbolt | you cloned a file or a cd? |
| 10:50.40 | badcfe | cd |
| 10:50.49 | stew | newbie: it contains xorg. it would usually not contain xfce4 or fluxbox unless you had the xfce specific CD1 which would have xfce4 but not fluxbox |
| 10:50.53 | idimmu | you could read documentation, use google, or ask someone rather than learn yourself |
| 10:51.03 | idimmu | pick a life path! |
| 10:51.10 | newbie | stew: great! |
| 10:51.14 | Lagbolt | right, so you are comparing the CDROM size iso9660 to the iso on your filesystem after copied? |
| 10:51.20 | newbie | stew: thanks im gonna download it |
| 10:51.30 | newbie | stew: srry for any bother |
| 10:51.35 | badcfe | dd in=/dev/the_cd out=file ; cdrecord file ; echo replace CD ; read ign ; dd in=/dev/the_cd out=file2 |
| 10:51.41 | badcfe | cmp file file2 |
| 10:51.45 | badcfe | differ |
| 10:51.56 | badcfe | du file file2 |
| 10:52.00 | badcfe | a few bites |
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| 10:52.05 | Nz17 | Ah, glancing through the changelog.Debian.gz for GDM has reveled the answer: besides for the other commonly searched paths (/usr/share/xsessions), GDM also searches /var/lib/menu-xdg/xsessions where X-Debian-WindowManagers-icewm.desktop and X-Debian-WindowManagers-metacity.desktop hiding. |
| 10:52.14 | Lagbolt | ah i see |
| 10:52.29 | Blackhold | hello, I'm using rsync with options -arvuz but I have some directories empty and the source don't have these directories empty, I'm doing a backup from source to destination, what's wrong? thanks |
| 10:53.00 | Nz17 | Removing those has removed the mysterious entries from the Session menu in GDM. |
| 10:53.04 | Lagbolt | badcfe, what type of CD are you copying? data? |
| 10:53.10 | badcfe | data |
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| 10:53.52 | newbie | what window manager would run good on a 128mb-ram pc: kde ou xfce ? |
| 10:54.03 | cr3rzemjest | fluxbox |
| 10:54.16 | Lagbolt | badcfe, if they differ i would be a little suspect. |
| 10:54.19 | newbie | haha :P |
| 10:54.28 | zyx386 | idimmu, have this error by connection to ssh "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
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| 10:54.43 | sarefo | how can i set the timezone i'm in? i entered usa when setting up lenny, but i'm in germany. |
| 10:54.46 | badcfe | Lagbolt: hmm. have you done clone that way with success and no diff? |
| 10:54.48 | Lagbolt | maybe there are some bad sectors on the CD |
| 10:55.00 | stew | sarefo: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 10:55.04 | Lagbolt | badcfe, i have made CDs and DVDs that way. never a problem. |
| 10:55.09 | newbie | thank you guys |
| 10:55.11 | newbie | cya |
| 10:55.21 | badcfe | Lagbolt: ok. thanks. |
| 10:55.33 | sarefo | stew: thx, exactly what i was looking for :) |
| 10:55.36 | Lagbolt | badcfe, not sure what sort of feedback you get from dd if there are bad sectors or not. |
| 10:55.51 | badcfe | dd reported no probs |
| 10:55.53 | Lagbolt | badcfe, get the checksum of the CD |
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| 10:56.31 | Lagbolt | badcfe, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html check this site |
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| 10:58.33 | norritt | on debian etch tomcat "Servlet admin.login_jsp is currently unavailable" how can i fix that? |
| 10:58.57 | norritt | tomcat v 5.5.20 |
| 11:00.04 | zyx386 | idimmu, http://paste.debian.net/12720/ |
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| 11:01.08 | badcfe | Lagbolt: thanks. hehe nice drawing on that site. |
| 11:01.18 | idimmu | bbl im going to the beach! |
| 11:01.20 | Szaln | hi, is there any official list of repositories? i need to setup nonfree ones for lenny |
| 11:01.29 | streuner | !mirrors |
| 11:01.29 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 11:08.32 | sarefo | i had just a disk die on me, which makes me think: is there a simple solution to have a second, smaller disk in the machine, and backup essential data to it automatically? |
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| 11:10.10 | Corwin | rsync in a cron script |
| 11:10.43 | sarefo | Corwin: that sounds nice, i'll try that thx |
| 11:10.55 | Corwin | np |
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| 11:12.46 | freebird | idimmu, man, I`ve noticed that hotmail is sending me the email right away, the problem I guess is with mine courier-imap, it`s taking a long time to make the message available in the directory where squirrel is looking for it |
| 11:13.11 | stew | sarefo: you can, of course, also have an identical disk, setup raid1, which would email you if either disk died (but and the system stays usable) |
| 11:13.41 | Guerin | mmm, raid 1 |
| 11:13.59 | Corwin | raidz, mm mmm mmm mmm |
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| 11:14.35 | Guerin | mmm, maybe one day zfs will be sanely licensed |
| 11:15.06 | Corwin | The day that happens is the day my nexenta box becomes debian |
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| 11:15.55 | freebird | idimmu, the log shows that the message has arrived, but it wont appear in /home/user/Maildir for about 7 minutes, weird |
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| 11:17.12 | masrawy | Hi there, does this make sense? is it right I mean, chmod -R someuser.someuser /home/someuser |
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| 11:17.44 | grul | i think you're looking for chown |
| 11:17.47 | Corwin | You mean chown, not chmod |
| 11:17.51 | masrawy | ops |
| 11:17.52 | masrawy | ok |
| 11:17.54 | masrawy | ill try now |
| 11:17.58 | TheOnly | and it should be : not . |
| 11:18.11 | masrawy | chown -R someuser:someuser /home/someuser |
| 11:18.16 | Corwin | I've always used . |
| 11:18.20 | masrawy | This will restore complete access to this user on his files? |
| 11:18.31 | TheOnly | indeed |
| 11:18.56 | masrawy | . seems to work |
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| 11:19.16 | TheOnly | odd... that's the first time I see it |
| 11:19.21 | TheOnly | i've always used :D |
| 11:19.25 | TheOnly | : * |
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| 11:19.47 | masrawy | chown -R xgenesisx.xgenesisx /home/xgenesisx |
| 11:19.50 | masrawy | works :) |
| 11:19.51 | masrawy | thank u |
| 11:20.04 | Corwin | :) |
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| 11:23.15 | stew | TheOnly: using . is deprecated in favor of : |
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| 11:23.54 | stew | and "chown someuser:someuser [files]" can be abbreviated as "chown someuser: [files]" |
| 11:24.10 | TheOnly | good to know that <: |
| 11:24.40 | ericpersson | What do i need to do if i have a empty hard drive and want to add debian to it, from another debianmachine(its connected through usb) and later be put in another laptop. Is it enough to ext3 de disk, and load the base.gz file onto it? |
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| 11:25.55 | Corwin | rsync everything over to it. change the networking info, chroot to it (from a live CD) and run update-grub |
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| 11:26.31 | ericpersson | Corwin: rsync, I will duplicate the info then? Can I start fresh by using the netinstall disk. |
| 11:26.38 | zyx386 | idimmu, r u her? |
| 11:26.51 | Corwin | sure, you can always use a netinstall disk |
| 11:27.10 | ericpersson | Corwin: but what part of the netinstall is needed to be copied? |
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| 11:27.47 | Corwin | I think it's a small 240MB CD.... I don;t know what parts you need |
| 11:27.59 | zyx386 | who can look mysql log file on debian server? |
| 11:28.03 | ericpersson | Corwin: ok.. |
| 11:28.25 | Corwin | zyx386: whatever user has permissions on the file |
| 11:29.01 | zyx386 | Corwin, iam root on the server and well look this file |
| 11:30.22 | stew | zyx386: members of the adm group and the mysql user can read the log file by default |
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| 11:31.20 | zyx386 | stew, thanx, but have unix socket error (12) and the mysql connection is broken, i well see the log file |
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| 11:33.01 | stew | zyx386: what is the unix socket error? |
| 11:33.16 | zyx386 | (12) |
| 11:33.23 | stew | zyx386: that's the entire text of the error? |
| 11:33.34 | zyx386 | yest |
| 11:33.53 | stew | zyx386: where is your application configured to look for the socket? |
| 11:34.36 | stew | zyx386: it should be /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 11:34.49 | zyx386 | i have some dynemic website, and use mysql, but now is brooken and display just unix socket error(12) and no more connection ith mysql |
| 11:35.05 | stew | zyx386: how does your website try to connect to mysql |
| 11:35.36 | Corwin | did mysql stop running? |
| 11:36.23 | zyx386 | Corwin, i cant nor more ssh connection |
| 11:36.44 | Corwin | is the server powered down? |
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| 11:38.28 | zyx386 | Corwin, i reboot it but is solved for yet, but in next time this error come again |
| 11:38.40 | zyx386 | i well solve this socket error for ever |
| 11:39.06 | zyx386 | some one tell me about cat /etc/mysql/my.cnf | grep bind |
| 11:39.06 | zyx386 | bind-address= 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:39.39 | stew | zyx386: your application is seemingly complaining about the unix domain socket, not the tcp socket |
| 11:39.48 | Corwin | I think that means it will only listen to local requests |
| 11:39.58 | stew | it does |
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| 11:40.40 | hatter | how could i go about cloning and then restoring a sw raid'd box ? |
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| 11:41.05 | Corwin | zxy386: /etc/init.d/mysql status |
| 11:41.23 | zyx386 | tail - /var/log/mysqld.log |
| 11:41.24 | zyx386 | ==> standard input <== |
| 11:42.13 | stew | zyx386: i think you mean "tail -f /var/log/mysqld.log" not "tail - /var/log/mysqld.log" |
| 11:42.30 | zyx386 | stew yes sorry |
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| 11:43.18 | zyx386 | Corwin, stew http://paste.debian.net/12721/ |
| 11:44.19 | Corwin | ok, that looks good |
| 11:44.21 | stew | zyx386: how does your application try to connect to mysql |
| 11:44.42 | Corwin | try using the mysql command from the cli |
| 11:44.50 | zyx386 | stew, is normal website with Wordpress |
| 11:46.11 | stew | zyx386: what did you put for the mysql server in the wordpress configuration |
| 11:46.27 | zyx386 | localhost |
| 11:47.16 | stew | zyx386: try ":/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" |
| 11:47.52 | zyx386 | -bash: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock: Permission denied stew |
| 11:48.30 | stew | zyx386: instead of using "localhost" as the mysql server, try using ":/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" instead |
| 11:49.33 | zyx386 | ok stew |
| 11:50.29 | zyx386 | but the server company now send me message" say is problem with your server configuration" let me not know, how can i chack the configuration on my server |
| 11:50.30 | Corwin | I've never seen that used before.... |
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| 11:52.02 | stew | Corwin: http://php.net/mysql_connect |
| 11:52.44 | stew | zyx386: the problem seems to me to be with wordpress config, which, as far as i can tell, we've already been talking about |
| 11:53.07 | zyx386 | stew, is not just with express |
| 11:53.26 | zyx386 | with alle script joomal, drupla..etc |
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| 11:53.55 | zyx386 | the server company said is some error with your server configuration check your self :) |
| 11:54.02 | zyx386 | how can i check it |
| 11:54.07 | stew | zyx386: we are checking it |
| 11:54.11 | stew | zyx386: what is 'express'? |
| 11:54.33 | zyx386 | express? |
| 11:54.47 | Corwin | wow, I've never seen ":/path/to/socket" syntax. Thanks stew |
| 11:54.51 | stew | zyx386: yes. what is express? |
| 11:55.16 | zyx386 | train is express? |
| 11:55.22 | zyx386 | :) |
| 11:56.00 | stew | what? |
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| 11:56.00 | zyx386 | waht you mean with express? |
| 11:56.01 | zyx386 | i never talking about express! |
| 11:56.01 | stew | 07:53 < zyx386> stew, is not just with express |
| 11:56.06 | freebird_ | you guys, I can see on exim log that hte email has arrived, but it wont show on my Maildir directory for the next 10 minutes, or something like that, is there a configuration for courier-imap or exim that will help on that ? |
| 11:56.21 | zyx386 | aha sorry stew mean Wordpress |
| 11:56.32 | stew | zyx386: did you try making the change i suggested? |
| 11:56.39 | zyx386 | yes |
| 11:57.18 | stew | zyx386: and, did it make a difference? |
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| 11:57.55 | zyx386 | stew, yes the mysql worked again |
| 11:58.19 | Corwin | freebird_: look in your actual maildir directory, if it's NOT there then your imap server can not see it either as it's not there |
| 11:58.19 | zyx386 | but if become this error again , what is the solution+? |
| 11:58.50 | stew | zyx386: the solution is to change "localhost" to ":/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" |
| 11:59.14 | freebird_ | Corwin, I see in the log, but it`s not in the Maildir directory, what does that mean ?? |
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| 11:59.35 | Corwin | that means it's in exim's delivery que |
| 11:59.37 | freebird_ | Corwin, after somebig ammount of time, it appears, that`s exactly how it`s happening |
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| 11:59.51 | Thoku | Hi all |
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| 12:00.04 | stew | freebird_: how are you checking that it is in the Maildir directory? with unix tools like ls/find? or with your imap server? |
| 12:00.14 | Corwin | hello Thoku |
| 12:00.26 | freebird_ | stew, ls -lha |
| 12:00.39 | stew | freebird_: are you using an external MDA ? |
| 12:00.41 | freebird_ | Corwin, but there are no messages man, only a couple of email from my self, shouldn`t take that long |
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| 12:01.00 | freebird_ | I`ve courier-imap, pop and squirrel running with exim4 |
| 12:01.04 | freebird_ | stew |
| 12:01.19 | Corwin | you're not running postgrey or greylistd? |
| 12:01.23 | Thoku | I recently upgrade my motherboard in my server and now find that both ethernet ports (an onboard 100Mbps and a PCI 1Gbps) can only operate at 4Mbps. What is this likely to be? Motherboard? Or is there possibly something slowing it down else where? |
| 12:01.26 | stew | freebird_: are you using an external MDA to deliver mail from exim into your Maildir such as procmail or maildrop? |
| 12:01.29 | freebird_ | Corwin, no |
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| 12:02.16 | freebird_ | stew, not sure man, but I think I`ve configured so exim4 sends the emails to /home/user/Maildir, so I guess that`s being done by exim, right ?? |
| 12:02.34 | stew | yes |
| 12:02.36 | Thoku | I am thinking it is not hw as its effecting both NICs. |
| 12:03.11 | Corwin | Thoku: where do you get the 4Mbps from? |
| 12:03.42 | freebird_ | stew, if I can see in the log, it means the message is already inside my server, should be very fast |
| 12:03.48 | Thoku | Corwin: All data transfers, both scp, ftp and over cifs cap out at 500KBps no matter which interface you are coming from. |
| 12:04.11 | Corwin | what chipset? |
| 12:04.16 | stew | freebird_: does dns work on the machine? |
| 12:04.25 | Thoku | Corwin: nvidia |
| 12:04.38 | freebird_ | yes |
| 12:04.40 | freebird_ | stew |
| 12:04.50 | Thoku | Corwin: its a gigabyte am2 s3 |
| 12:05.12 | freebird_ | stew, I've a domain set, |
| 12:05.19 | Corwin | type lspci |
| 12:05.28 | freebird_ | Corwin, me : |
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| 12:05.50 | Corwin | lspci -> Thoku |
| 12:06.07 | Thoku | Corwin: what bit of hardware do you want to know about that is on the pci bus? |
| 12:06.30 | Corwin | what chipset it is. Does that give you something like: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B |
| 12:07.06 | Thoku | for the PCI bridge itself? |
| 12:07.23 | Corwin | no, the Ethernet controller: part |
| 12:07.37 | Thoku | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.59 | Thoku | thats the one I put in myself |
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| 12:08.27 | freebird_ | stew, I've just sent one email from hotmail, the log showed me that an email has just arrived |
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| 12:08.56 | Ace2016_- | Hi |
| 12:09.01 | Ace2016_- | oh wtf |
| 12:09.02 | Corwin | hi ace |
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| 12:09.14 | stew | freebird_: my guess would that some kind of spam checking is taking a long time, which is why i was asking about DNS, guessing that it might be taking a long time to check DNSRBLs |
| 12:09.19 | Thoku | Corwin, the other one is product: MCP61 Ethernet vendor: nVidia Corporation |
| 12:09.23 | sladi | Hi! I can compile and install soundcard drivers fine using their installer. I'd like to create a .deb but it fails because of a arch-stamp-error. How should I edit rules file please? |
| 12:09.25 | Ace2016_- | hang on, i think my colour scheme is messed up, the text box has white text on white background |
| 12:09.27 | stew | freebird_: but if the problem is specific to exim4, i probably won't be of much use |
| 12:09.38 | Ace2016_- | ok sorted |
| 12:09.59 | Ace2016_- | does anyone know why QtCurve doesn't allow custom colours to be used in teh gradients? |
| 12:10.01 | stew | sladi: which drivers are you compiling? |
| 12:10.14 | stew | sladi: we couldn't possibly be able to tell you how to fix the problem without more information about the error |
| 12:10.30 | Corwin | Thoku: With two totally different chips both running super slow I'm not sure, seems more like a network conflict |
| 12:10.54 | Ace2016_- | The colours are very hard to deal with when you only have gradients of one hue |
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| 12:11.17 | Thoku | Corwin: when you say network conflict what do you mean? |
| 12:11.22 | sladi | stew: I used the Creative beta 64bit drivers for X-Fi soundcards. I can unpack them and do ./configure && make && make install without a problem. |
| 12:11.44 | Corwin | two devices with the same ip on the network, ping floods from a virus, etc |
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| 12:12.03 | sladi | stew: I haven't edited the rules file about the arch-stamp-part. |
| 12:12.21 | stew | sladi: have you tried recent alsa drivers? |
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| 12:12.49 | Thoku | Corwin: Its on a LAN and the CPU usage is nothing. Its also acting as a router so its effectively on 2 separate networks |
| 12:12.51 | stew | sladi: you should probably be asking the authors of the software if their makefiles don't work |
| 12:12.59 | sladi | stew: The drivers are fine. I just can'T create a deb package out of them. |
| 12:13.09 | stew | sladi: who did the debian packaging? |
| 12:13.47 | sladi | stew: There is no package, only a tgz. I can unpack it and install it without a problem. I'd like to do it via aptitude though. |
| 12:13.50 | freebird_ | stew, what whould be DNSRBLs, wont the dns get in action before the message get here ?? |
| 12:13.59 | Corwin | try flushing iptables and unloading the 2nd nic card. see what your throughput on the first card is |
| 12:14.48 | stew | freebird_: a dnsrbl a way to use dns to check if a computer listed in the Received headers of an email is a known spammer |
| 12:14.59 | stew | freebird_: how did you check that dns was working? |
| 12:15.12 | sladi | stew: I get an arch-stamp-error when doing 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 12:15.17 | Thoku | Corwin: Ok |
| 12:15.17 | stew | sladi: who wrote the debian/rules file? |
| 12:15.21 | stew | sladi: you did? |
| 12:15.26 | sladi | stew: Yes. |
| 12:15.39 | Thoku | Corwin: Could it be a badly written iptables config? |
| 12:15.52 | stew | sladi: show us the actual output of 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' and your debian/rules |
| 12:16.22 | sladi | stew: Ok, will do. Thanks! :) |
| 12:16.24 | freebird_ | stew, well, I`ve tested trying to resolve my domain, created a reverse, and I can resolve ok, very fast using dig @server domain |
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| 12:16.39 | Corwin | Thoku: I'm sure that's possible. just eliminate it for the time being |
| 12:16.41 | liable | hmm touching arch stamp, permissions problem? |
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| 12:16.56 | freebird_ | stew, it`s working fine for weeks, dig returns me a MX answer |
| 12:17.16 | stew | freebird_: you ran the dig command from the mail server itself, right? was @server on the same subnet as your mail server? or a different submet? |
| 12:17.48 | ericpersson | Corwin: forget my question about the net install and copy root, debootstrap is the shit.. ;) |
| 12:18.36 | freebird_ | stew, I` ve tested from the machine that has the dns server and the email, they are both in the same machine, but I`ve also tested from outiside, ok |
| 12:18.36 | Corwin | ericpersson: I agree. I once set up debian on a Red hat machine 900 miles away ata colo that way |
| 12:19.11 | freebird_ | stew I can at least enter my website thru the domain from outside of my subnet |
| 12:19.18 | stew | freebird_: you need to check that the mail server can talk to other dns servers |
| 12:19.39 | ericpersson | Corwin: didnt think about it, last time i did this, I used floppy install images...but its about 10 years ago.. |
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| 12:19.54 | freebird_ | stew, if I`m sending and recieving it means I can wrong ?? |
| 12:20.06 | stew | freebird_: wrong |
| 12:21.24 | freebird_ | stew, how do I check that man |
| 12:21.33 | Corwin | ericpersson: 10 years ago I was using Red Hat or Mandrake :( Back then we all used those floppy monistrosities |
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| 12:22.31 | ericpersson | Corwin: yuck.. |
| 12:22.39 | stew | freebird_: dig,host,nslookup,etc |
| 12:23.21 | stew | freebird_: for instance, does running "host asdf.com" return an ip? |
| 12:23.30 | b_jonas | Corwin: but you didn't install a linux from floppies only, did you? |
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| 12:24.06 | b_jonas | when I first installed linux, I used cds I asked someone with a burner to burn, and brought other large data home on a mobile ide hard disk |
| 12:24.17 | freebird_ | stew yeah, it did |
| 12:24.18 | Corwin | back then I did.. :( |
| 12:24.25 | b_jonas | I did still use floppies for other purposes though |
| 12:24.58 | frido | hi, is there any way how could I generate i.e. 3DES password hash or AES-256-CBC ? |
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| 12:25.44 | freebird_ | stew, in asdf it shows that mail is handled by mx2...... on mine, it shows mail is handled by host.domain.com, could be that ?? |
| 12:26.17 | stew | freebird_: no, it doesn't sound like DNS is your problem, so nevermind that |
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| 12:26.39 | g00se | I'm such a wireless newb i don't even know for certain where to start. Do i take it that in the absence of gui tools (not that i'm interested in them), it would be a case of iwlist followed by iwconfig? |
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| 12:27.43 | b_jonas | (the first one I installed was suse linux 6.2, that consisted of six cds of which I had five burnt but only four was actually ever needed) |
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| 12:28.28 | b_jonas | (the 6th cd had only sources, the 5th had mostly sources but also contained a few obscure programs like emacs, the fourth contained only non-free programs which I never used) |
| 12:28.51 | zafy | is there a way to see a list of latest installed package, sort of a apt-get install history log or something |
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| 12:29.09 | b_jonas | (the machine was a pentium with 2GB of hard disk of which 850M was the linux file system, I forgot how much memory) |
| 12:29.21 | b_jonas | zafy: yes, |
| 12:29.32 | zafy | b_jonas, how . |
| 12:29.33 | zafy | ? |
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| 12:29.39 | b_jonas | zafy: moment |
| 12:29.45 | zafy | k |
| 12:29.53 | b_jonas | zafy: try viewing /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 12:30.00 | zafy | okay thanks |
| 12:30.15 | b_jonas | also there's a log that contains only what you do with aptitude |
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| 12:38.28 | iron | hi |
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| 12:38.58 | masus | hi all does anyone recommend an bandwidth monitoring toll "console based". Thanks All. |
| 12:39.14 | iron | mmh |
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| 12:39.41 | rr0d | masus: try bwm |
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| 12:40.07 | rr0d | there is also a curses based one |
| 12:40.33 | rr0d | name is bwm-ng |
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| 12:40.48 | iron | could it possible that networkmanager get a failure in testing = |
| 12:40.52 | iron | ? |
| 12:41.16 | lxsameer | what is new in grub 2? |
| 12:41.29 | Sling | a brand new version number! |
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| 12:42.06 | masus | rr0d: i'll try thank u |
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| 12:42.23 | opensrcguru | masus: vnstat is prety nice too |
| 12:42.50 | masus | opensrcguru: i'll try both thank u |
| 12:42.54 | opensrcguru | masus: ifstat too, depending on what features you are loking for. |
| 12:42.55 | zamba | i want to put 4 GB worth of ram into a server running debian.. i guess i have to run a 64-bit version to be able to utilize this? |
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| 12:43.32 | opensrcguru | zamba: not at all |
| 12:43.35 | abrotman | zamba: no |
| 12:43.39 | masus | opensrcguru: only bandwidth monitoring |
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| 12:43.50 | zamba | opensrcguru and abrotman: oh? why's that? |
| 12:44.07 | zamba | i thought 32-bit architectures only could address around 3 GB worth of memory? |
| 12:44.11 | Nyle | \o/ |
| 12:44.13 | zamba | 3.2-ish |
| 12:44.13 | Nyle | hello |
| 12:44.21 | asg | zamba: PAE extensions fix that problem |
| 12:44.21 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 12:44.27 | iron | zamba |
| 12:44.32 | Nyle | I passed my citizenship test yay! |
| 12:44.36 | zamba | asg: so it works "out of the box"? |
| 12:44.59 | abrotman | zamba: with a -686 kernel you sohuld get about 3.3GB .. not sure if the -bigmem will give oyu more or not |
| 12:45.00 | opensrcguru | Nyle: congrats......for which country? |
| 12:45.01 | Nyle | asg, but even with that you have a 2gb file limit in mem right? |
| 12:45.04 | Nyle | opensrcguru, usa |
| 12:45.07 | deus___ | congrats |
| 12:45.10 | Nyle | thanks man |
| 12:45.11 | iron | 2^2*2^30 = 4gig |
| 12:45.15 | Nyle | now i can bring my girl here |
| 12:45.18 | Nyle | and not be lonely anymore |
| 12:45.19 | Nyle | haha |
| 12:45.28 | Nyle | oh its a 4gb file limit |
| 12:45.32 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:45.44 | opensrcguru | Nyle: now you can begin being raped on taxes just like everyone else ;) |
| 12:45.46 | zamba | but basically.. 32-bit version of debian works just fine? |
| 12:45.55 | Nyle | opensrcguru, ;) |
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| 12:46.11 | Nyle | !pae |
| 12:46.11 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
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| 12:46.21 | Thoku | Corwin: I fixed it. |
| 12:46.22 | Thoku | Corwin: I rebooted it and changed some of my iptables rules. I think it was because I haven't rebooted in about 2 weeks since installing the upgraded kernel version |
| 12:46.22 | jetscreamer | how went the test |
| 12:46.35 | ma3x | how can i disable the flash plugin in iceweasel? must i remove the files in plugins/ |
| 12:46.39 | masus | rr0d:do you know is it possible to monitor not interfaces so ip adresses the whole network with bwm |
| 12:46.40 | jetscreamer | so what's up with the sid kernels and xen and borkedness |
| 12:46.45 | Thoku | Corwin: Thanks for all your help :) |
| 12:46.46 | Nyle | jetscreamer, fantastic, thank you |
| 12:46.51 | freedrivers | habe probleme mit meinem RAID1 NAS, das nicht mehr booten will: kinit: trying to resume from /dev/sda2 ; kinint: No resume image, doing normal boot... |
| 12:46.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer, what you doin with Xen? |
| 12:47.00 | iron | damn i hate networkmanager |
| 12:47.09 | Nyle | !de |
| 12:47.09 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 12:47.18 | jetscreamer | nothing the sid kernels seem to be xen enabled... the -686 ones |
| 12:47.20 | iron | freedrivers englisch |
| 12:47.21 | Nyle | i think |
| 12:48.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: how is that broken ? |
| 12:48.50 | jetscreamer | why would i want a xen kernel, and one optimized for a pentium pro |
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| 12:49.14 | abrotman | ppro is -686 |
| 12:49.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 12:49.26 | jetscreamer | and the only choice for athlon xp |
| 12:49.31 | jetscreamer | cept compile |
| 12:49.35 | jetscreamer | which i did |
| 12:49.47 | jetscreamer | i want to know why xen is on in the -686 |
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| 12:49.55 | abrotman | why not? |
| 12:50.00 | abrotman | is there a problem with it? |
| 12:50.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 12:50.09 | ma3x | whats the best flash plugin for firefox? |
| 12:50.11 | abrotman | which is? |
| 12:50.17 | jetscreamer | it's borked |
| 12:50.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:50.21 | stew | jetscreamer: ask xensource |
| 12:50.21 | rr0d | masus: bwm can only monitor interfaces |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's not a good reason .. |
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| 12:50.29 | opensrcguru | jetscreamer: works fine for me. |
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| 12:51.10 | jetscreamer | yeah it functions |
| 12:51.18 | rr0d | masus: for monitoring ip adresses a sniffer is maybe a better choice |
| 12:51.31 | opensrcguru | top |
| 12:51.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so what's the real problem? |
| 12:52.14 | |Corwin| | htop blows away top |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: did your nvidia.com binary installer freak out when it saw the xen enabled kernel ? |
| 12:52.24 | jetscreamer | 2.6..13 onward, mostly |
| 12:52.43 | stew | oh, i misread jetscreamer's question |
| 12:52.45 | jetscreamer | abrotman: you know i knew that was the entire thrust of your 'why's' :) |
| 12:52.57 | jetscreamer | however, i asked why it was so |
| 12:53.02 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so you want to complain because your binary only driver doesn't work with open source stuff ? |
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| 12:53.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why not? |
| 12:53.12 | jetscreamer | no i want to ask WHY |
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| 12:53.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm sure this has been discussed on the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 12:53.31 | jetscreamer | i accept that yo udo not know the answer |
| 12:53.36 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
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| 12:53.50 | sladi | stew: I only commented out two lines in rules, because there was an error about them too. I highlighted them. http://pastebin.com/m4bea8d1b |
| 12:54.08 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i have no need to complain, rolling my own is easy |
| 12:54.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and i know there was a thread on .. debian-user i think about nvidia and the xen kernels |
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| 12:54.11 | stew | jetscreamer: how would someone other than an nvidia developer know the answer? |
| 12:54.15 | |Corwin| | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-177.13-pkg2.run works on 2.6.25 |
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| 12:55.06 | jetscreamer | i want to know why wen i had a non-xen enabled kernel it started d/l'ing the kenrel headers labeled XEN... there was a xen kernel |
| 12:55.31 | |Corwin| | 2.6.25 incorporates Xen |
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| 12:55.40 | jetscreamer | i mean, here i am, i update sid finally, and i go to compile and viola |
| 12:55.48 | jetscreamer | oh speaking of |
| 12:55.58 | jetscreamer | i hooked an old hd up that has an old sid on it |
| 12:56.02 | simonrvn | you learned to play the viola? |
| 12:56.04 | stew | jetscreamer: becuase all of the recent 686 debian kernels are setup to be domU xen kernels |
| 12:56.18 | jetscreamer | same box, but the nic doesn't come up on the old one |
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| 12:56.48 | jetscreamer | how do i figure out what software is different |
| 12:57.00 | jetscreamer | (nic related) |
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| 12:57.30 | stew | jetscreamer: dpkg -l linux-image\* |
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| 12:57.46 | jetscreamer | i purged all those |
| 12:57.48 | Nyle | you have to escape wildcard? |
| 12:57.55 | jetscreamer | yes iirc |
| 12:57.59 | stew | Nyle: depends on the shell |
| 12:58.01 | Nyle | hm I didn't know that |
| 12:58.04 | Nyle | oh I see |
| 12:58.06 | abrotman | bash doesn't make you |
| 12:58.08 | jetscreamer | i'm on 2.6.24-something atm |
| 12:58.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so look at your own config ? |
| 12:58.23 | |Corwin| | dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 12:58.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep linux-image |
| 12:58.26 | stew | jetscreamer: you are asking how to tell the difference between two different custom kernels? |
| 12:58.34 | Nyle | .config? |
| 12:58.35 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yes... where do i start is what i need help with |
| 12:58.37 | jetscreamer | stew no |
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| 12:58.41 | Nyle | nm then |
| 12:59.06 | jetscreamer | stew just i had a -686 kernel and when i updated i had headers labeled xen |
| 12:59.10 | sarefo | is there any trick to get suspend/hibernate work in lenny? |
| 12:59.14 | jetscreamer | i found out about the nvidia later |
| 12:59.17 | sarefo | (using kde) |
| 12:59.18 | jetscreamer | suswp or something |
| 12:59.33 | Nyle | !suspend |
| 12:59.33 | dpkg | well, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!), or http://www.linux.com/articles/54610 and http://dotcommie.net/projects/XPS-M1210/ |
| 12:59.46 | stew | sladi: i'd guess that you need to run ./configure before running /usr/bin/make |
| 13:00.00 | stew | jetscreamer: which -686 kernel? |
| 13:00.04 | sarefo | thx Nyle |
| 13:00.10 | Nyle | you got it |
| 13:00.11 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:00.11 | jetscreamer | 2.5.25-2 iirc |
| 13:00.17 | jetscreamer | err |
| 13:00.20 | jetscreamer | 2.6 |
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| 13:00.23 | stew | jetscreamer: i thought you purged all linux-image pacakges? |
| 13:00.36 | jetscreamer | i purged the 2..25 ones |
| 13:00.41 | jetscreamer | 2.6.25 |
| 13:00.42 | stew | jetscreamer: all -686 kernels are xen domU kernels |
| 13:00.49 | stew | (in testing/unstable) |
| 13:01.10 | jetscreamer | are the amd64 ones also? |
| 13:01.28 | Nyle | jet what you goin with Xen anyway |
| 13:01.33 | Nyle | doin* |
| 13:01.39 | stew | jetscreamer: no, afaik |
| 13:01.48 | jetscreamer | nyle... nothing. it's magically appeared in the kernels |
| 13:01.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 13:02.13 | Nyle | jetscreamer, installed? |
| 13:02.23 | jetscreamer | was.. now purged |
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| 13:02.31 | Nyle | ok |
| 13:02.45 | jetscreamer | after 'this' update finishes i'm going to install my custom |
| 13:03.03 | Nyle | cool |
| 13:03.05 | sladi | stew:Thanks, you mean dpkg-buildpackage doesn't run ./configure? Should I do it manually before running dpkg or should I edit the rules file? |
| 13:03.06 | jetscreamer | non-pppro optimized |
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| 13:03.39 | Nyle | whats that |
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| 13:03.49 | Nyle | pppro |
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| 13:03.54 | mifritscher | hi |
| 13:03.56 | jetscreamer | a kernel not build for a pentium pro |
| 13:04.06 | stew | sladi: no, dpkg-buildpackage doesn't call ./configure because not all packages have a configure script, and it wouldn't know what options you want it to pass to configure. your rules file already has ./configure but it doesn't appear to be called before running $(MAKE), according to your paste |
| 13:04.10 | Nyle | oh |
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| 13:04.17 | mifritscher | are there any plans to but abiword 2.6 in lenny? |
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| 13:04.36 | mifritscher | *put |
| 13:04.46 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 13:04.50 | Nyle | no idea |
| 13:04.57 | jetscreamer | since 2.6.5 or .6 is also there |
| 13:05.03 | jetscreamer | i just noticed that in the sid update |
| 13:05.15 | Nyle | I wonder what I'd have to upgrade |
| 13:05.29 | jetscreamer | what i mean is the abiword-common et al are the higher versions |
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| 13:05.38 | Nyle | over 50pdiffs |
| 13:05.45 | jetscreamer | so the .6 binary should be forthcoming |
| 13:05.52 | bravvve | hi i have a proble this is it http://paste.debian.net/12763/ |
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| 13:06.33 | deus___ | trying to install VMware-server on my 2.6.25-2, but i get the following error message: http://pastebin.com/d32984025 how can I fix this? |
| 13:06.34 | Fallen[oqp] | hi |
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| 13:06.47 | Fallen[oqp] | in what package can i find "geometry.sty" ? it is for latex stuff |
| 13:06.49 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:07.05 | Nyle | Get:149 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main 2008-07-23-2028.47.pdiff [23.2kB] |
| 13:07.10 | jetscreamer | deus___: i didn't read your paste, but at a guess use a different kernel |
| 13:07.11 | Nyle | amn |
| 13:07.12 | Nyle | damn |
| 13:07.13 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 13:07.20 | stew | Fallen[oqp]: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:07.28 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.28 | Nyle | Need to get 540MB/541MB of archives. |
| 13:07.30 | Nyle | goddamn! |
| 13:07.36 | AbsintheSyringe | deus___, CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install.sh |
| 13:07.39 | Nyle | I just updated last week! |
| 13:07.41 | Nyle | hah |
| 13:07.44 | Fallen[oqp] | <dpkg> no idea, Fallen[oqp] |
| 13:07.51 | Fallen[oqp] | stew =) |
| 13:07.55 | deus___ | ty AbsintheSyringe, i'll try this one |
| 13:08.06 | AbsintheSyringe | deus___, ;) |
| 13:08.16 | stew | Fallen[oqp]: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:08.16 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 13:08.16 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg.web.search was A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 13:08.34 | Fallen[oqp] | ah ok |
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| 13:09.05 | Fallen[oqp] | ok got it thanks ! |
| 13:09.11 | deus___ | miracles, miracles AbsintheSyringe ;) |
| 13:09.18 | AbsintheSyringe | deus___, :) |
| 13:09.19 | Nyle | hm |
| 13:09.26 | Nyle | bravvve, whats your apt-cache limit |
| 13:09.40 | Nyle | bravvve, check in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 13:09.46 | Nyle | APT::Cache-Limit |
| 13:09.47 | apt | rumour has it, cache-limit is A line you add to your /etc/apt/apt.conf to increase the size of the Cache to avoid the dreaded "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error. It should be of the form APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; Note the double-quotes around the number! |
| 13:10.01 | jetscreamer | thought xen and vmware didn't play well together, but knows nothing |
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| 13:10.02 | Nyle | bravvve, try doubling the size of the cache |
| 13:10.03 | Fallen[oqp] | apt-file did not find anything |
| 13:10.10 | stew | bravvve: usually one gets this error when they have lots of sources in sources.list that they don't need |
| 13:10.14 | Nyle | bravvve, and try again, it should work |
| 13:10.17 | jetscreamer | did you do apt-file update first? |
| 13:10.25 | Fallen[oqp] | no :x |
| 13:10.59 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.45 | Nyle | bravvve, how many sources do you have? |
| 13:11.56 | jetscreamer | bravvve: try losing some of the sources |
| 13:11.58 | micols | anyone good at QoS tc rules, how do i set up a rule for all nfs shares except /dev/nfsroot or / ? i want them to be throttled at i.e. 80mbit and the root to be at 100mbit |
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| 13:12.21 | jetscreamer | K.I.S.S. |
| 13:12.26 | Nyle | kiss? |
| 13:12.28 | bravvve | Nyle:12 sources |
| 13:12.32 | jetscreamer | !kiss |
| 13:12.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 13:12.34 | Nyle | thats not much |
| 13:12.40 | bravvve | ya |
| 13:12.49 | bravvve | Nyle |
| 13:12.51 | jetscreamer | try it with only the stock 2 and see what happens |
| 13:12.51 | Nyle | try to comment out a few just to test |
| 13:12.55 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 13:13.26 | stew | bravvve: i doubt you actually need all 12 sources |
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| 13:13.51 | bravvve | i need nvu,i cant fined it |
| 13:13.53 | stew | bravvve: either get rid of some of the redundant ones, or increase the Cache-Limit. if you need help determining which are redundant, show us your sources.list |
| 13:14.38 | bravvve | stew no redundant source |
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| 13:15.19 | stew | bravvve: you have something like 10 third party sources then? |
| 13:15.25 | opensrcguru | micols: can you explain a little better? |
| 13:15.25 | jetscreamer | nvu is like deprecated afaicr |
| 13:15.26 | bravvve | i will poste all my sources |
| 13:15.33 | Nyle | !paster bravvve |
| 13:15.33 | dpkg | bravvve: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 13:15.39 | jetscreamer | !info nvu |
| 13:15.44 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 13:15.47 | Nyle | nvu kinda sucks... |
| 13:15.52 | jetscreamer | i remember now |
| 13:15.54 | Nyle | generated code is ugly |
| 13:15.56 | mordy | what's nvu? |
| 13:15.58 | Nyle | ewww nasty |
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| 13:16.04 | jetscreamer | html env |
| 13:16.05 | micols | opensrcguru: its a thin client, my nfs shares lags my nfs root as they utilize 100% bandiwdth of my network. |
| 13:16.07 | mordy | oh |
| 13:16.08 | jetscreamer | editor |
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| 13:16.19 | jetscreamer | front page clone? |
| 13:16.29 | opensrcguru | micols: perhaps you need faster network? |
| 13:16.30 | micols | opensrcguru: so wondering if i should fork a few portmappers and make QoS rules on them :) |
| 13:16.37 | micols | opensrcguru: i dont think gigabit is an option |
| 13:16.38 | bravvve | http://paste.debian.net/12771/ |
| 13:16.42 | jetscreamer | reboots to test kernel |
| 13:16.49 | Nyle | go |
| 13:16.52 | Nyle | get uotta here |
| 13:16.53 | bravvve | nvu,is easy to use |
| 13:16.54 | micols | opensrcguru: or is going to help much, my disks are capable of exceeding gigabit too |
| 13:17.15 | bravvve | and i use quanta for the details |
| 13:17.29 | Nyle | have you tried mozilla-composer |
| 13:17.39 | Nyle | whatever its called in debian now |
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| 13:17.47 | stew | bravvve: are you running sarge or etch? |
| 13:17.49 | bravvve | Nyle:not yet |
| 13:18.15 | micols | opensrcguru: my root fs is on NFS share, it should always have low latency and that only happens when network isnt over-used, so other nfs shares must not use more than i.e. 50% bandwidth each i.e. |
| 13:18.17 | bravvve | etch |
| 13:18.24 | bravvve | 4.03 |
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| 13:18.32 | stew | bravvve: then get rid of the 3 sarge sources |
| 13:18.39 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:18.40 | micols | opensrcguru: as soon as bandwidth goes to 100% use my nfs root lags and latency increases |
| 13:18.50 | opensrcguru | micols: well, i don't think qos is a good fit in this scenario......how/what would you make qos decisions nfs packets? iirc, you wont be able to tell which packet is a /nfsroot packet and which is a /data packet |
| 13:19.09 | micols | opensrcguru: different ports perhaps but im not even sure its possible |
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| 13:19.20 | micols | opensrcguru: but it would be really cool if it was. |
| 13:19.21 | bravvve | stew:i'v added it to install prolog |
| 13:19.37 | micols | opensrcguru: thought about spawning more than one portmap daemon :) |
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| 13:19.39 | stew | bravvve: you can install prolog from etch |
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| 13:19.50 | stew | bravvve: you also have 3 different sources for the main etch mirror, and you only need 1 |
| 13:20.03 | bravvve | no not the swi-prologstew: |
| 13:20.28 | micols | opensrcguru: if the ports can be hard set on the client i can make the tc(1) rules myself |
| 13:20.36 | opensrcguru | micols: i don't think that possible, but then again, i'm probably not the best resource for nfs/portmap realted questions.....i like to use samba. |
| 13:20.39 | stew | bravvve: pick one of http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ http://debian.med.univ-tours.fr/debian http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ and delete the other two |
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| 13:20.45 | micols | so i basically need to set nfs ports on the client for some of the shares |
| 13:21.00 | micols | all shares except 1 should use same bandwidth(tc rules) and therefore same port. |
| 13:21.15 | micols | hehe opensrcguru :) |
| 13:21.19 | bravvve | stew:ok,but it fix the problem? |
| 13:21.24 | stew | bravvve: there is definately no reason to run sarge-backports if you are on etch |
| 13:21.34 | micols | we all enjoyed samba one time, and i still use it on my xbox as nfs support isnt in xbmc yet :) |
| 13:21.34 | stew | bravvve: yes |
| 13:21.53 | micols | nfs is just so much faster, but security is still horrible :) |
| 13:21.59 | Nyle | Why would Alt-SysRq + B not work... SysRq doesn't work at all whenever I have a freeze |
| 13:22.09 | micols | Nyle: works not in kernel panics |
| 13:22.16 | opensrcguru | micols: have you tried tuning nfs read/write params? |
| 13:22.17 | micols | which is self-explanitory :) |
| 13:22.18 | Nyle | oh really |
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| 13:22.22 | bravvve | stew:but i think that there are more packages in sarge-backportes,no? |
| 13:22.28 | Nyle | sorry micols not to me |
| 13:22.30 | stew | bravvve: no |
| 13:22.30 | Nyle | I'm not a linux guru |
| 13:22.34 | micols | yes opensrcguru r,wsize=8096 |
| 13:22.35 | Corwin | how do I find out which package qemu-image is in? apt-cache doesn't seem to be working for me... |
| 13:22.37 | Nyle | micols, I'm a hobbyist linuxer |
| 13:22.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:22.49 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.55 | avu | Nyle, if a program is crashed, you it can't react on your input :) |
| 13:22.56 | stew | bravvve: packages from sarge-backports are backported from etch. there should be no packages in sarge-backports that aren't in etch |
| 13:22.58 | abrotman | Corwin: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:23.04 | opensrcguru | micols: what was the result? did you record the i/o stats prior to tuning and then compare? |
| 13:23.05 | abrotman | Corwin: you probably want apt-file |
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| 13:23.17 | micols | opensrcguru: http://rafb.net/p/J773Ar75.html thats my fstab |
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| 13:23.31 | micols | opensrcguru: best performance overall with 8096 |
| 13:23.35 | AbortRetryFail | Does anyone know if there's any known issues with using LVM on top of software RAID with the etch network install disk? |
| 13:23.41 | mordy | i want to set up nfs or something else based on security - nfs 4 is supposed to be more secure, but is it available? i'm confused as to what version is in the repositories |
| 13:23.42 | micols | i tried some dd'ing and iostat too |
| 13:23.51 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.18 | stew | bravvve: what package are you going to install from etch-backports? |
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| 13:24.37 | bravvve | when can i fined nvu |
| 13:24.37 | micols | mordy: its not in etch i can say for sure :) |
| 13:24.46 | bravvve | where |
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| 13:25.02 | AbortRetryFail | I've been trying to set up this server since yesterday and it doesn't want to finish booting, says it can't find the volume group. |
| 13:25.25 | mordy | micols - is there an alternative? |
| 13:25.37 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.40 | micols | mordy: tunnelling through ssh :) |
| 13:26.02 | stew | bravvve: not from debian. debian removed it at the request of the nvu maintainer because the nvu developers abandoned it |
| 13:26.21 | stew | bravvve: correct. debian no longer ships nvu becuase the nvu developers stopped developing it |
| 13:26.28 | bravvve | stew:ok,and the newer gimp? |
| 13:26.39 | mordy | appears that just about any network connection is ssh |
| 13:26.51 | stew | bravvve: newer than what? |
| 13:27.14 | micols | mordy: any tunnel adds overhead, so i would try to get nfs4 :) |
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| 13:27.26 | bravvve | stew:the one in the etch |
| 13:27.35 | bravvve | stew:2.2.13 |
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| 13:27.49 | mordy | let me see what i can find. google seems to give me a soup of sorts |
| 13:27.51 | stew | bravvve: you'd have to backport that yourself, as far as i know, nobody has made a backport of gtk yet |
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| 13:28.23 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.41 | ericpersson | I just used debootstrap on an empty disk, but when installing the kernel it failes because it cant determine the root filesystem... any ideas? |
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| 13:29.56 | b_jonas | ericpersson: ah, still that notebook? |
| 13:30.05 | ericpersson | b_jonas: yeah.. :( |
| 13:30.24 | Corwin | abrotman: Thanks, you're right, I want apt-file. Turns out qemu-image is now qemu-img (or I'm mistaken that it was ever qemu-image) |
| 13:30.28 | ericpersson | b_jonas: i need the initrd to be able to boot.. |
| 13:30.28 | stew | bravvve: i don't know how you can get a backport of gimp. i don't know where you can find one. i'd guess that you have to backport it yourself, which would mean starting by backporting all of gtk+2.0 version 2.12, and to backport gtk+2.0 you are going to have to first backport glib, and backporting glib, since it depends on a newer dpkg-dev means you are going to have to first repackage it |
| 13:30.33 | AbortRetryFail | Ok, let me rephrase this... |
| 13:30.41 | b_jonas | I don't know debootsrap really |
| 13:30.41 | stew | bravvve: which means i think getting a backport of gimp into etch is going to be a huge task |
| 13:30.43 | b_jonas | never used it |
| 13:30.58 | AbortRetryFail | Do i need to do anything special to install Etch in LVM on RAID? |
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| 13:31.10 | AbortRetryFail | I've got /boot on a separate RAID1 partition so it's not part of the LVM |
| 13:31.23 | Sling | lvm drivers come with the default kernel as far as i know |
| 13:31.42 | jetscreamer | no abrotman i wasn't asking because the nvidia wouldn't work... that's just how i noticed |
| 13:31.56 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.18 | jetscreamer | security and one main contrib line |
| 13:32.28 | jetscreamer | non-free optional |
| 13:32.30 | AbortRetryFail | Sling: yep it all worked in the install, but after i boot it up for the first time, GRUB loads the kernel but the kernel can't find the volume group. |
| 13:32.35 | AbortRetryFail | let me go copy down the error i'm getting. |
| 13:33.01 | stew | bravvve: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main" |
| 13:33.18 | jetscreamer | !stew++ |
| 13:33.29 | bravvve | stew:thats all? |
| 13:33.44 | stew | bravvve: unless you have a good reason to add more |
| 13:34.00 | stew | bravvve: that's the entirety of debian stable |
| 13:34.07 | sladi | stew: I get the same error after configure is finished: http://pastebin.com/d610ab46b Is the makefile to blame? |
| 13:34.45 | stew | sladi: what happens if after it fails, you run "make" |
| 13:34.53 | bravvve | stew:should i delet all writen in sources.list an write this? |
| 13:35.30 | AbortRetryFail | ok if i scroll up some it says md couldn't find any partitions. |
| 13:35.32 | sladi | stew: make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 13:35.32 | jetscreamer | bravvve: comment them out or back the file up and edit, yes |
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| 13:35.35 | stew | bravvve: i don't know. i don't know what you are doing with the non-debian repositories, you can get rid of the other debian repositories |
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| 13:35.39 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:35.41 | AbortRetryFail | but i created them and it worked in the installer. |
| 13:35.45 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 13:36.06 | bravvve | stew:me to |
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| 13:36.55 | stew | bravvve: i don't know what apt.jenslody.de is. i know that dotdeb.org makes poor quality php backports. i don't know if you are using their poor quality php backports or not |
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| 13:37.45 | jetscreamer | ok so i have two debian installs on two diff partitions on this box, so how do i compare/diff/whatever the network init stuff, where on one install the nic does not come up (resolv conf or someting.... instalilng pump or so would work i think |
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| 13:38.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i only mentioned that because someone on OFTC was showing that thread askign how to get around it |
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| 13:38.44 | Bacta | Why is Firefox called Iceweasel? |
| 13:38.52 | jetscreamer | !why iceweasel |
| 13:38.52 | stew | Bacta: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 13:38.52 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 13:38.54 | bravvve | stew:poor quality php backportswhat is it |
| 13:38.57 | munkyeetr | i have two machines set up with a kvm switch, and on my debian system the keypad on the kybrd is acting crazy. it doesn't type any numbers or symbols, and when i press 5 it opens an instance of nautilus, any ideas where I should look? |
| 13:39.00 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:39.13 | munkyeetr | on the other system hooked to the kvm switch it works fine |
| 13:39.24 | stew | bravvve: php is a web scripting langauge. dotdeb.org does a bad job at providing newer versions of php to debian stable users |
| 13:39.54 | ericpersson | b_jonas: finally got it going, copied initrd and kernel from another machine.. |
| 13:40.09 | stew | bravvve: their pacakges are notoriously buggy, and they don't provide timely security updates |
| 13:40.13 | Corwin | I've had funky problems with my kvm switch too, change your mouse type in your xorg.conf file |
| 13:40.14 | jetscreamer | abrotman: if you care to tell them, tell them roll their own kernel |
| 13:40.19 | jetscreamer | or don't :) |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it was a few days ago |
| 13:40.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:40.32 | SamuraiDio | where can i find java conectors for postgresql? |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the guy on the list did find a work around .. don't recall what it was |
| 13:40.49 | jetscreamer | mine works |
| 13:40.52 | abrotman | libpg-java ? |
| 13:40.56 | sladi | stew: I ran make clean, configure and make now and it ran fine. |
| 13:41.07 | jetscreamer | now i need the nic stuff so i can give this church linux |
| 13:41.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 13:41.12 | bravvve | stew,i don't know i'v fined it in some tutoriel to install some think,i don't remember it |
| 13:41.21 | stew | bravvve: do you use php? |
| 13:41.29 | Bacta | DFSG? |
| 13:41.36 | stew | dpkg: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 13:41.36 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.37 | dpkg | stew: are you using Windows? |
| 13:41.44 | stew | err |
| 13:41.45 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:41.48 | stew | Bacta: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 13:42.02 | stew | bravvve: what version of php do you need |
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| 13:42.27 | bravvve | 5 |
| 13:42.28 | stew | bravvve: or, what version of php are you using now? |
| 13:42.33 | munkyeetr | corwin: thnx i'll look at that |
| 13:42.55 | stew | bravvve: which version of php5 do you need? is there a good reason you aren't using the php5 packages that come with debian? |
| 13:43.15 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: apt-cache search java postgresql |
| 13:43.25 | bravvve | stew:i use the one coming with debian |
| 13:43.57 | jetscreamer | i think i'll just installl lenny on that hd anyway |
| 13:44.00 | stew | bravvve: if that is the case, you don't need dotdeb.org |
| 13:44.01 | jetscreamer | come to think of it |
| 13:44.07 | stew | bravvve: what version of php5 is installed now |
| 13:44.11 | bravvve | stew:even mysql and apache |
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| 13:44.15 | amitz | either the ip I currently use is ban by ftp.debian.org or my isp block access to ftp.debian.org. is there any free proxy i can use? thank you in advance. |
| 13:44.24 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i think i found it, thanks |
| 13:44.32 | stew | bravvve: what? |
| 13:44.33 | jetscreamer | amitz: try http? |
| 13:44.33 | bravvve | stew:i dont know just php5 |
| 13:44.37 | jelly | amitz: you could try a mirror... |
| 13:44.52 | stew | bravvve: show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5" |
| 13:44.59 | amitz | jetscreamer: I did use http. ftp also didn't work |
| 13:45.13 | abrotman | amitz: or your ISP uses a proxy |
| 13:45.15 | jetscreamer | mirrors.kernel.org ? |
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| 13:45.41 | amitz | jelly: problem is I use apt-cacher-ng, and somehow it probably need ftp.debian.org in the middle of processing |
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| 13:46.07 | bravvve | 5.2.0.8etch11 |
| 13:46.12 | AbortRetryFail | Anybody got any ideas why the installer would create and use software RAID just fine but the installed kernel (default etch kernel) wouldn't see the partitions? |
| 13:46.12 | amitz | jelly: and i need eeepc.debian.net, which is also not working |
| 13:46.28 | stew | bravvve: then you can get rid of dotdeb |
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| 13:46.59 | amitz | abrotman: so to overcome their transparent proxy, i need another proxy right? |
| 13:47.06 | Araneidae | How do I increase my entropy? Running Etch stable on a headless machine and frequently short of entropy |
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| 13:47.34 | itscodyxx | Okay, I am having a problem. |
| 13:47.38 | abrotman | amitz: or figure out what theirs is and use it |
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| 13:48.07 | itscodyxx | I attempted to open a program (KUser) and it states 'su returned with an error' |
| 13:48.18 | bravvve | stew:get rid??? |
| 13:48.32 | jetscreamer | comment out, delete, et al... |
| 13:48.34 | amitz | Araneidae: i remember a mention about using natural processor frequency as source of enthropy in one of debian package. i'm not sure |
| 13:49.21 | Araneidae | amitz, it's been a problem before -- I'd kinda hoped the problem had gone away with more recent updats |
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| 13:49.38 | abrotman | !info reseed etch |
| 13:49.39 | abrotman | maybe ? |
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| 13:50.01 | dpkg | reseed: (seeds urandom with a truly random seed retrieved from random.org), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.1-3.3 (etch), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 13:50.01 | amitz | abrotman: they don't publish the existence of their proxy. They use a transparent proxy to censor all sites that send lots of data. And this is supposed to be an unlimited data service... heh |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | amitz: what if you use ftp apt sources? |
| 13:50.17 | Araneidae | Interesting idea |
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| 13:51.21 | amitz | abrotman: what do you mean? ftp apt sources? |
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| 13:51.35 | peterS | Araneidae: note, recent apache2 will now use /dev/urandom for whatever it needs entropy for (though perhaps not for SSL as that is handled by openssl) |
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| 13:51.56 | jetscreamer | waves@peterS |
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| 13:52.13 | peterS | when I say "recent" btw, I mean unstable |
| 13:52.17 | peterS | hey jetscreamer |
| 13:52.33 | abrotman | amitz: you can use ftp:// instead of http:// |
| 13:53.20 | jetscreamer | ah hey |
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| 13:53.35 | jetscreamer | why don't you try and lookup the ip of a mirror and use the ip |
| 13:53.43 | jetscreamer | not rr but.. |
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| 13:53.59 | jelly | /etc/hosts to the rescue! |
| 13:54.37 | AbortRetryFail | i'm going to try rescue mode... be back in a bit. |
| 13:54.59 | jetscreamer | and maybe the round robin stuff borks the proxy (no idea) |
| 13:55.10 | amitz | hmm ftp:// doesn |
| 13:55.37 | amitz | 't work. /etc/hosts make sense :-) |
| 13:55.40 | amitz | let me try |
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| 13:55.42 | jetscreamer | (or was that some other guy) |
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| 13:56.50 | jaggz- | hey what do I use for ATI Radeon 7000 in linux? |
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| 13:57.09 | jetscreamer | the ati xorg driver iirc |
| 13:57.12 | jetscreamer | or radeon |
| 13:57.18 | amitz | anyway, but i still can't contact eeepc.debian.net sinceh there is no mirror i'm aware of |
| 13:57.20 | jaggz- | ah.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon#Linux |
| 13:57.23 | jetscreamer | ip |
| 13:57.25 | jaggz- | fglrx |
| 13:57.29 | jetscreamer | !ip |
| 13:57.29 | dpkg | jetscreamer IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 13:57.37 | jaggz- | (I'm not cursing at you.. that's the name of the driver) |
| 13:57.42 | jaggz- | fglrx u |
| 13:57.57 | jelly | jaggz-: fglrx for that old card? unlikely |
| 13:58.01 | stew | jaggz-: no, use radeon |
| 13:58.06 | jaggz- | awesome.. it's not installed |
| 13:58.14 | jaggz- | stew, eh |
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| 13:59.25 | AbortRetryFail | OK it looks like the rescue mode on the installer disk doesn't do LVM or RAID correctly either... |
| 13:59.56 | jaggz- | this was originally just to be a server.. now I'm trying to do some 3d graphics environments on it.. |
| 14:00.01 | AbortRetryFail | Does anybody have any suggestions? |
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| 14:01.25 | jaggz- | if you're sure it doesn't support it (using dmraid etc) then go get sysresccd or whatever |
| 14:01.44 | AbortRetryFail | jaggz-: i'm using software RAID |
| 14:01.51 | jaggz- | full software or fake raid? |
| 14:01.56 | AbortRetryFail | full software |
| 14:01.59 | AbortRetryFail | mdadm and all |
| 14:02.00 | jaggz- | I don't like the term "fake raid".. |
| 14:02.01 | stew | jaggz-: is there a reason you want to use the non-free fglrx driver instead of the free radeon driver? |
| 14:02.16 | jaggz- | stew, pages referred to it and didn't say it was non-free :) |
| 14:02.19 | jaggz- | no.. I want the free one |
| 14:02.34 | jaggz- | AbortRetryFail: http://www.sysresccd.org/ but there might be a debian rescue cd way too.. |
| 14:02.46 | stew | jaggz-: the free one is named "ati" or "radeon" and comes with debian. fglrx is the non-free one that doesn't come with debian |
| 14:03.16 | jaggz- | I've only used sysresccd's support for our mb's ata raid stuff.. semi hardware |
| 14:03.55 | AbortRetryFail | jaggz-: fglrx won't support anything below the Radeon 8xxx cards and newer versions only work on R300 (Radeon 9500/9700) and above. |
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| 14:04.45 | AbortRetryFail | jaggz-: this server is a fresh install, the installer created the md RAID and LVM without too many problems (partman seems to have issues with extended/logical partitions and RAID...) |
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| 14:05.37 | amitz | so, is there a mirror for eeepc.debian.net ? |
| 14:05.58 | jaggz- | I have XP and Linux, dual boot, with 2 drives in this system in a raid mirror :) |
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| 14:06.13 | jaggz- | I had to do some hand-manipulation to get it to work but I got it. |
| 14:06.20 | SeJo | is this normal on lenny E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/pool/main/x/xorg/x11-common_7.3+14_all.deb |
| 14:06.36 | AbortRetryFail | but the installed system can't assemble the RAID devices. My disk controller's driver is loaded fine as i can see the devices from the initrd shell. I can't tell if it's reading the partition table correctly since the default initrd doesn't have fdisk... |
| 14:06.40 | jaggz- | (like, installing and doing dd's and such) |
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| 14:07.02 | AbortRetryFail | jaggz-: nice :) - If this server had hardware or even "fakeraid" i'd probably use it. |
| 14:07.15 | jelly | AbortRetryFail: hmm. /proc/partitions? |
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| 14:07.31 | AbortRetryFail | !! thanks jelly ! I'll check that. 1 sec. |
| 14:07.35 | jaggz- | if it's linux only it's easy enough with software.. I've not done it but I don't think I'd mind |
| 14:07.48 | botox | SCSI error : <0 0 1 0> return code = 0x8000002 |
| 14:07.52 | botox | kernel: Current sda: sense key Hardware Error |
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| 14:07.57 | botox | this is on a dothill raid |
| 14:08.03 | botox | that does not support smart |
| 14:08.07 | botox | so i cant check it out that way.. |
| 14:08.07 | AbortRetryFail | eek yeah they're gone... |
| 14:08.13 | botox | any ideas how i can gather further diagnostics? |
| 14:08.17 | botox | machine is remote... |
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| 14:08.32 | jaggz- | what's your drive setup, AbortRetryFail? |
| 14:08.49 | botox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.00 | AbortRetryFail | 2 IDE drives |
| 14:09.01 | botox | hopes it really isnt a driv failure |
| 14:09.07 | jelly | botox: there might be vendor utilities for that hwraid controller |
| 14:09.09 | jaggz- | I'll just keep you talking until someone knowledgable in Linux LVM sees what they need to help ;) or you find what you're looking for in your own thoughts and investimagations |
| 14:09.19 | AbortRetryFail | trying to mirror them and set up LVM on top of that. |
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| 14:09.33 | AbortRetryFail | jaggz-: that's why i come in here at all. :) |
| 14:09.34 | ma3x | what am i doing wrong here |
| 14:09.42 | ma3x | im trying to have firefox launch and close 150 times |
| 14:09.50 | ma3x | for i in `seq 1 150`; do ./firefox http://www.google.com ; sleep 5 ; pkill firefox-bin; done |
| 14:10.23 | jelly | ma3x: you likely want to background that firefox process |
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| 14:12.26 | AbortRetryFail | I'm trying to get a foothold in to start replacing these windows servers :) |
| 14:12.34 | AbortRetryFail | starting with the proxy. |
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| 14:13.32 | jaggz- | looks like xserver-xorg-driver-radeon is already installed (v.. installing, xserver-xorg-video-ati) .... I hope I'm not using it properly because I'd really like these graphics to go faster.. it's not a terribly fast CPU either though, 1.8ghz |
| 14:13.46 | jaggz- | abort, doing a mirror or striping or |
| 14:14.45 | wols_ | jaggz-: see Xorg.0.log that will tell you which driver you use |
| 14:14.54 | jaggz- | hey wols! |
| 14:16.03 | Ace2016_- | is there an external menubar app that works with both kde and gnome? |
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| 14:17.56 | jaggz- | yeah.. (**) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
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| 14:19.35 | jaggz- | xorg.conf has the driver as "ati" though.. it apparently provides radeon as a "subdriver" |
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| 14:21.44 | amitz | shit, the dns of my isp is poisoned for security.debian.org |
| 14:22.08 | jaggz- | ! |
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| 14:25.02 | Ace2016_- | amitz: how did you find out? |
| 14:25.07 | Ace2016_- | packages not verified? |
| 14:26.24 | harpal | I want user can do sudo. So I added user ALL=(ALL) ALL but when I try to run from user it shows me that user is now allowded to run sudo at localhost |
| 14:26.24 | amitz | ace: the ip address resolved differently when using opendns and my isp dns |
| 14:26.27 | Ace2016_- | thats not my isp |
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| 14:26.42 | \amethyst | amitz: there should be four addresses |
| 14:26.43 | Corwin | harpal: did you start a new shell? |
| 14:26.44 | Ace2016_- | maybe a debian mirror |
| 14:26.54 | CrapoRouge | !Gentoo |
| 14:26.54 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about <greenhouse>. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg, or #gentoo @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:26.55 | harpal | Corwin: nooooooo |
| 14:27.05 | Nyle | you don't need to start a new shell |
| 14:27.10 | Ace2016_- | harpal: add the user to the wheel group |
| 14:27.13 | amitz | amethyst and ace: ah, i see.. |
| 14:27.21 | Corwin | default |
| 14:27.33 | Corwin | oops, wrong window |
| 14:27.35 | \amethyst | amitz: the correct addresses are: 128.31.0.36 130.89.175.54 212.211.132.32 212.211.132.250 |
| 14:27.55 | Ace2016_- | do you trust opendns? |
| 14:28.02 | abrotman | do you trust your ISP? |
| 14:28.05 | Ace2016_- | no |
| 14:28.20 | harpal | Ace2016_-: I dont have wheel group |
| 14:28.33 | CrapoRouge | !Ubuntu |
| 14:28.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:28.36 | Nyle | no wheel == no root access from users |
| 14:28.37 | Ace2016_- | well actually i do, they don't even have me on the system properly i don't have throttling on my account or something strange like that |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | CrapoRouge: msg the bot please |
| 14:28.39 | stew | CrapoRouge: please /msg the bot |
| 14:28.59 | CrapoRouge | Okay, sorry. |
| 14:29.08 | Ace2016_- | doesn't installing sudo make the wheel group? |
| 14:29.16 | stew | Ace2016_-: no |
| 14:29.17 | Nyle | I don't kow |
| 14:29.27 | stew | debian doesn't have a wheel group until you add one |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | !wheel |
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| 14:29.40 | dpkg | well, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 14:29.52 | amitz | ah, yeah, it's one of the address. |
| 14:30.41 | amitz | I have to trust something for practicality since last time I checked government is not spying on me, yet :-) |
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| 14:30.52 | Nyle | yes they are |
| 14:30.54 | harpal | So I have to add wheel group? because I dont have man pam_wheel |
| 14:31.00 | Nyle | harpal, no |
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| 14:33.29 | Ace2016_- | harpal: i found this: http://netmaking.wordpress.com/2007/03/27/configuring-sudo/ |
| 14:34.45 | stew | amitz: how did you check? |
| 14:35.08 | Ace2016_- | stew: used opendns, said so already |
| 14:35.32 | harpal | Ace2016_-: Checking |
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| 14:36.27 | stew | how do i use opendns to check if my government is not spying on me? |
| 14:36.53 | Spec | how does ssh resolve a hostname from an IP address? I'm getting, because of "ALL: Paranoid: in my /etc/hosts.deny, a message saying my domain doesn't match with my address... |
| 14:37.16 | Nyle | stew, gov is always spying on you. |
| 14:37.32 | Nyle | don't worry too much about it if you don't do a lot of illegal stuff |
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| 14:37.50 | SeJo | why do i get E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/pool/main/x/xorg/x11-common_7.3+14_all.deb when installing e16? |
| 14:37.58 | SeJo | isn't that wrong? |
| 14:38.02 | Ace2016_- | apt-get install sudo; addgroup --system --gid 23 wheel; adduser harpal wheel; adduser root wheel; echo "harpal ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers; exit |
| 14:38.20 | Ace2016_- | damn it |
| 14:38.25 | Ace2016_- | missed the " :( |
| 14:38.33 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:38.39 | Nyle | why wheel |
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| 14:38.47 | Nyle | you don't *need* to user the wheel group |
| 14:39.07 | Ace2016_- | because its in an easy to follow howto where you only have to type in a few lines |
| 14:39.08 | abrotman | or use even! |
| 14:39.35 | Nyle | oh yeah |
| 14:39.52 | stew | SeJo: it appears that mirror is out of date, try another |
| 14:39.58 | SeJo | ok |
| 14:40.06 | stew | SeJo: (/msg dpkg mirrors) |
| 14:40.48 | stew | SeJo: if you want to tell someone, #debian-mirrors on oftc or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors are the places |
| 14:40.58 | Nyle | does debian contain a clustering kernel? |
| 14:41.04 | Ace2016_- | mirrors are only a few days outdated right? |
| 14:41.17 | Nyle | or does one have to use mosix or bewulf |
| 14:41.18 | amitz | stew: ping an address, change nameserver of /etc/resolv.conf to 208.67.222.222, ping the same address again. If the IP address is different where it's not supposed to, your isp dns is probably suspect. |
| 14:42.04 | Ace2016_- | isn't there a dns cache on the local system? |
| 14:42.10 | stew | Ace2016_-: what mirrors? the one he is takling about is appearing to be a week outdated at least |
| 14:42.26 | Nyle | !cluster |
| 14:42.26 | dpkg | i heard cluster is at http://www.clustercompute.com Linux High-Availability Project (www.linux-ha.org) |
| 14:42.26 | amitz | stew: oftc is this irc server right? |
| 14:42.33 | stew | amitz: no, this is freenode |
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| 14:42.57 | jaggz- | what if I'm involved in the legal trade of Vitamin C. Do I then have to worry about the people in the govt spying on me? |
| 14:42.58 | amitz | ace: youre probably right, i don't understand much about this |
| 14:43.02 | SeJo | thanks stew |
| 14:43.02 | harpal | Ace2016_-: ya Thanks a lot I got it working without any problem |
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| 14:43.45 | botox | jaggz-: the government are your friend |
| 14:43.54 | botox | jaggz-: they are like, a big sister |
| 14:44.00 | botox | jaggz-: with breasts |
| 14:44.05 | Sling | who screws you |
| 14:44.27 | harpal | hey can I give some specific commands in that so it will now ask me about password in other it does? |
| 14:44.29 | botox | she sometimes brings her friends round, and they screw you also |
| 14:44.37 | Corwin | Think of Stan's big sister on South Park |
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| 14:44.59 | Nyle | http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Main_Page <-- good page |
| 14:45.02 | Sling | harpal : i have no idea what you mean |
| 14:45.19 | Sling | stop using babelfish and go to #debian.<yourlanguage> |
| 14:45.21 | Sling | ;) |
| 14:46.28 | amitz | heh, my isp had blocked some of security.debian.org ip addresses. |
| 14:46.41 | Nyle | I'm about to go to the storage room I rented and get out 6 966mhz, 512 ram, cdrom, mini compaq I got from my professor in oklahoma. I don't want to use anything but pure debian to try and cluster them together. thats it, just debina |
| 14:46.45 | Nyle | debian* |
| 14:46.52 | stew | harpal: what command is not prompting you for a password? |
| 14:47.26 | stew | Nyle: do you mean parallel computing cluster? or load balancing cluster? or what? |
| 14:47.47 | Nyle | either |
| 14:47.51 | Nyle | I just want to experiment |
| 14:48.13 | harpal | Sling: I want that only vi it should not prompt for password and in other command it should |
| 14:48.24 | Nyle | stew, http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Adding_support_for_PVFS2_to_the_Kernel |
| 14:48.27 | Nyle | stew, I'm reading this atm |
| 14:48.29 | stew | Nyle: for load balancing, look at ultramonkey.org |
| 14:48.37 | Nyle | stew, noted |
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| 14:49.25 | Nyle | stew, hmm good piont, now I need to learn about the different types of clusters |
| 14:50.08 | stew | Nyle: are you looking to do something like handle lots of web traffic? or parallel computing (like, fold proteins, process huge amounts of data...) |
| 14:50.31 | Nyle | stew, I think load balancing is what I am after |
| 14:50.42 | harpal | stew: every command is not prompting me for password because I have set NOPASSWD in sudoers, but I want to give only some command it should run without password |
| 14:50.49 | Nyle | stew, as in multple machines appearing as a single machine, to host web, ftp, game servers etc. etc. |
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| 14:50.58 | Nyle | mostly game servers, pvpgn diablo2 warcraft |
| 14:51.00 | Nyle | etc. |
| 14:51.02 | stew | harpal: if you want it to prompt you for a password, change NOPASSWD to PASSWD |
| 14:51.19 | MuH4hA | hmm - I think, what harpal is trying to say is something like: "I want, that every command asks me for a password, except vi" |
| 14:51.35 | stew | Nyle: you want ultramonkey.org which explains how to setup LVS then. it won't work for game servers, unless they have been specifically programmed for it |
| 14:51.47 | Nyle | I see |
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| 14:51.50 | harpal | MuH4hA: Ya thats what I want |
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| 14:52.14 | stew | Nyle: becuase the game server has to be programmed to have multiple instances running and share state between the instances |
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| 14:52.37 | Nyle | I see, software needs to be able to utilize the clustering apis in the kernel |
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| 14:53.07 | stew | Nyle: depends on the application, like one apache doesn't necessarily need to know that the other apache is serving up files to you |
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| 14:53.45 | Nyle | hmm thats gonna be a problem potentially (trying to verify how pvpgn can do this, though I think it does support clustering, as d2heaven.org has a private realm server for diablo2 mods, and they have multiple machines running in the back |
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| 14:54.15 | Nyle | they might be using the windows port, or the nix port, not sure I think I might bug them ;) |
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| 14:54.26 | Nyle | or I could try to add my servers to thier network |
| 14:54.31 | dumb_dumb | guys |
| 14:54.38 | dumb_dumb | I`m new in linux |
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| 14:54.44 | dumb_dumb | I want to try debian |
| 14:54.45 | Nyle | dumb_dumb, hahah great nickname pal |
| 14:55.14 | Nyle | dumb_dumb, you should go to http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 14:55.18 | dumb_dumb | but i confused wich version do I have ro dowbload |
| 14:55.33 | Nyle | dumb_dumb, download Etch, debian 4.0r3 |
| 14:55.34 | dumb_dumb | I`m using AMD Turion 64 |
| 14:55.55 | Nyle | dumb_dumb, you can download the amd64 version or the i386 version |
| 14:56.36 | dumb_dumb | nah which one? |
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| 14:56.36 | Nyle | both will work fine |
| 14:56.36 | dumb_dumb | both of them should work fine? |
| 14:56.36 | Nyle | yes |
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| 14:56.37 | Nyle | amd64 has no 64bit java browser plugin, or flashplayer |
| 14:56.56 | Nyle | !tell dumb_dumb -about ig |
| 14:56.57 | ron1n | dumb_dumb, that means no youtube or runescape |
| 14:57.05 | dumb_dumb | ow that suck |
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| 14:57.21 | yggwork | dumb question how can i get a clock up in my console ? |
| 14:57.27 | yggwork | or tell what time it us |
| 14:57.30 | Eulex | yggwork, type date? |
| 14:57.30 | Sling | date |
| 14:57.31 | yggwork | is even. |
| 14:57.31 | Nyle | date |
| 14:57.36 | yggwork | heh thanks |
| 14:57.46 | Nyle | time |
| 14:57.53 | yggwork | time gives somethign else |
| 14:57.53 | Sling | Eulex : titanium:/home/mathijs# type date |
| 14:57.53 | Sling | date is /bin/date |
| 14:57.56 | Sling | doesnt work! :P |
| 14:57.58 | Nyle | !time |
| 14:57.58 | dpkg | hmm... time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.07.24 14:57:58, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
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| 14:58.06 | Eulex | Sling, :P |
| 14:58.08 | Sling | time calculates the time a command took |
| 14:58.19 | Nyle | i know |
| 14:58.29 | Eulex | time date! |
| 14:58.34 | Nyle | !date |
| 14:58.34 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.07.24 14:58:34 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 14:58.38 | Nyle | hm |
| 14:58.51 | Nyle | Eulex, hey man |
| 14:58.52 | Nyle | sup |
| 14:59.00 | Sling | hehe just ran time date as well :P |
| 14:59.02 | Sling | took 6 ms |
| 14:59.11 | Nyle | thats a long time |
| 14:59.16 | Eulex | hello |
| 14:59.18 | Sling | no its just 1 char long |
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| 14:59.31 | Nyle | 6ms is a long time |
| 14:59.37 | Eulex | Nyle, coding a bit, working a bit... slacking a bit :) |
| 14:59.45 | Nyle | Eulex, ahh, you code? |
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| 14:59.50 | Nyle | Eulex, thats cool |
| 14:59.52 | MuH4hA | harpal: http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html |
| 15:00.03 | Nyle | Eulex, I try not to code if I can help it |
| 15:00.05 | Sling | lol |
| 15:00.08 | Sling | 'watch time date' |
| 15:00.15 | Sling | that messes up my console |
| 15:00.26 | Nyle | ultramonkey kicks ass |
| 15:00.36 | Sling | but now it shows 2 ms |
| 15:00.38 | Sling | average |
| 15:00.42 | Eulex | Nyle, yeah. currently most C++, but at work I do PHP... |
| 15:00.45 | Nyle | exactly what I was looking for |
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| 15:01.00 | Nyle | Eulex, I do mostly .net/c# |
| 15:01.01 | Eulex | Sling, watch strace time date! |
| 15:01.10 | harpal | MuH4hA: Thanks a lot |
| 15:01.11 | Nyle | visual studio shit |
| 15:01.25 | Nyle | vs is fantastic, saves a lot of coding time |
| 15:01.34 | Nyle | but anyway, thats neither here nor there |
| 15:01.57 | Eulex | ah well, we've got a C# app at work. .net is kinda neat, imo. |
| 15:02.08 | Nyle | i'll just say, code generation and reusable code is THE SHIT |
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| 15:02.19 | Nyle | not to mention amazing inline completion |
| 15:03.35 | Eulex | anyways, hmmhmm, interesting observation I made: run strace time date -- notice how it outputs one character at a time :) |
| 15:03.43 | dumb_dumb | is there any different version debian for server and for desktop |
| 15:03.49 | Nyle | no |
| 15:03.55 | dumb_dumb | is the same |
| 15:04.00 | Sling | Eulex : things you only find out when you *really* dont want to do real work |
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| 15:04.03 | Nyle | debian is initially serverry kinda |
| 15:04.07 | Nyle | you have to desktopify it |
| 15:04.18 | Eulex | Sling, :) |
| 15:04.22 | Sling | dumb_dumb : if you really only want desktop, you could use ubuntu |
| 15:04.26 | Sling | but then get out of this channel :P |
| 15:04.28 | Nyle | or use tasksel at the installer. I don't like to use tasksel, its kinda screwey as it ships |
| 15:04.52 | dumb_dumb | now i want to learn server |
| 15:04.53 | pickcoder | dumb_dumb: the install should have offered a default setup config list |
| 15:05.02 | Nyle | im going back to bed |
| 15:05.02 | Nyle | bye |
| 15:05.05 | dumb_dumb | ok i`ll try it |
| 15:05.11 | dumb_dumb | thanks guys |
| 15:05.15 | Eulex | dumb_dumb, whether a system is 'desktop' or 'server' depends on the use and packages installed. it could actually be both, but that's not a nice setup. |
| 15:05.19 | Sling | for server stick to base install when installing debian |
| 15:05.20 | pickcoder | dumb_dumb: if you have a desktop system installed.. just install the components you want |
| 15:05.24 | Sling | and apt-get the stuff you need |
| 15:05.26 | Sling | from console |
| 15:05.43 | pickcoder | your login manager should have a console login option |
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| 15:06.03 | pickcoder | if it doesn't beat it senseless with a carrot and install another manager |
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| 15:07.34 | tubbybastard | anyone know why enlightenment was removed from main in lenny? |
| 15:08.48 | Eulex | tubbybastard, I'd assume RC bug(s) |
| 15:08.56 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 15:08.57 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=foo |
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| 15:09.14 | Eulex | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=enlightenment;dist=unstable |
| 15:09.19 | abrotman | i'd say by the looks of that .. it won't be there any time soon |
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| 15:10.09 | zack23 | Are there any tools out there that lets me sync up the deb packages from one server to another? |
| 15:10.35 | tubbybastard | abrotman, you're not kidding! |
| 15:10.37 | Eulex | tubbybastard, read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421559 |
| 15:10.38 | idimmu | for u in `dpkg -l | awk {'print $2'}` ; do apt-get install $u ; done |
| 15:10.39 | idimmu | :) |
| 15:10.51 | idimmu | well, you know what i mean |
| 15:11.07 | tubbybastard | I guess it's back to fvwm? |
| 15:11.10 | abrotman | tubbybastard: ah ok .. it depends on old packages that have been renamed |
| 15:11.17 | Eulex | zack23, installed packages or downloaded packages? |
| 15:11.24 | abrotman | tubbybastard: aptitude install e16 ? |
| 15:11.24 | Ace2016_- | wait if there are 4 debian servers, and that isp is redirecting to one of them, and opendns is redirecting to another, then as more people adopt opendns then wouldn't the server its redirecting to get overloaded? |
| 15:11.34 | Eulex | tubbybastard, no. read the big report. |
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| 15:12.24 | mordy | does anyone here use approx? i don't see how approx works without requiring configuration of sources.list |
| 15:12.26 | zack23 | Eulex: installed packages. So every night it just syncs up reading from the master server what is installed. I suppose I can write a script that dumps the dpkg --get-selections to the "slave" server and then it goes ahead and reads each package and installs them? |
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| 15:13.42 | mordy | (unless i tell my router to route all apt requests to the proxy) |
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| 15:14.28 | tubbybastard | don't have that machine handly but when I tried it, it couldn't resolve the dependencies as Eulex pointed out |
| 15:14.51 | tubbybastard | this is, and will stay a kde box |
| 15:14.52 | tubbybastard | thanks though! |
| 15:14.54 | Eulex | zack23, well, partially right. dumpt with --get-selections, populate db with --set-selections, then you just need to run apt-get install |
| 15:15.13 | Eulex | tubbybastard, as the bug report points out, the package name enlightenment has been deprecated, and the new name is e16. |
| 15:15.17 | zack23 | Eulex: so I will have to dump the files from the "master" (--get-selections) to the slave |
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| 15:15.36 | Eulex | zack23, dump, transfer in some way, populate |
| 15:15.49 | zack23 | Eulex: is there any way to do it without the dump, ie. logging in directly and running it? I guess I could use ssh to get that list? |
| 15:16.24 | Eulex | zack23, you could. |
| 15:17.38 | Eulex | zack23, you could for example perform the dump and pipe the output to ssh and then specify some commands for ssh to run when it has connected to the server. that will give what you piped to ssh to the command ssh runs. |
| 15:17.40 | Eulex | brb |
| 15:18.22 | tubbybastard | abrotman/eulex, I have to reread those bug pages I guess I didn't see it, thanks for your time! |
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| 15:18.38 | zack23 | Eulex: Thank you |
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| 15:20.01 | PepOSX | LT: I've never used plain Debian, for example, but I like Ubuntu. And before Debian people attack me - yeah, I know, I know, it's supposedly much simpler and easier to install these days. But it certainly didn't use to be, so I never had any reason to go for it. ' |
| 15:20.04 | PepOSX | xD |
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| 15:25.53 | tubbybastard | PepOSX why did you decide to share that with us? |
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| 15:28.22 | micols | PepOSX: debian was enter-install 5 years ago when i started using it :) |
| 15:28.29 | micols | and gnome 1.2 or so :) |
| 15:29.06 | micols | the real problem isnt with debian its with your hardware, if your hardware is supported by the linux kernel then debian runs fine by pressing Enter :) |
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| 15:29.33 | micols | so i just bought an emu10k1 sblive soundcard, an intel netcard, a nvidia graphics card to be well supported :) |
| 15:29.43 | micols | that way you will never have problems. |
| 15:31.00 | abrotman | i'd hardly call nvidia "well supported" |
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| 15:31.42 | helo | dh-make-perl wants ncftpget... is it in the etch repos or do i need to install it manually? |
| 15:31.43 | pickcoder | maybe nvidia needs a better bra |
| 15:31.56 | abrotman | !find bin/ncftpget etch |
| 15:32.01 | pickcoder | helo: install ncftp |
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| 15:32.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ncftpget' (1): (/usr/bin/ncftpget) in net/ncftp. |
| 15:33.21 | Speedism | how do you kill a proc that is "defunct" ? |
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| 15:36.12 | pickcoder | Speedism: that's a tricky one.. what process is it |
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| 15:38.09 | AbortRetryFail | Speedism: sometimes if it's parent process is still alive you can kill that and the defunct one will disappear with it. |
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| 15:38.38 | pickcoder | AbortRetryFail: unless it's init |
| 15:38.41 | zack23 | I have found the perfect syncing tool (for deb packages) : http://warsync.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:38.46 | pickcoder | your box will disappear and reboot too |
| 15:38.53 | mordy | gah, i can't get this apt-cacher to work. apt-get just hangs in the middle :( |
| 15:38.56 | AbortRetryFail | that's why i said sometimes ;) |
| 15:39.35 | abrotman | mordy: how long did you wait ? |
| 15:39.42 | AVRS | mordy: my apt-get hangs in the middle today; I haven't installed anything new related to it. |
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| 15:40.29 | mordy | abrotman - i tried apt-get update using the proxy, and it hangs at 79% - i waited five minutes. but apt-get update without the proxy works smoothly |
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| 15:41.40 | AVRS | except for apt-spy… |
| 15:41.42 | mordy | maybe i'm not configuring menu.list properly, i just added "box:port" between "http" and the URL |
| 15:41.54 | mordy | and another backslash, of course |
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| 15:43.46 | mordy | here is the apt-cacher log file. i don't know if it's supposed to look like this, but the client seems to connect to the proxy successfuly http://paste.debian.net/12811/ |
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| 15:49.30 | AVRS | Oh, that was my fault, a broken local repository package list. |
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| 15:49.42 | odla | anyone know a program that i can use to set a gtk theme if i'm not using gnome but a different window manager? |
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| 15:49.58 | mordy | AVRS - can that be my problem as well? but if so, it wouldn't time out without the proxy |
| 15:50.16 | mordy | unless the broken package is in the apt-cacher and not in the regular cache |
| 15:50.48 | AVRS | mordy: it was just hanging and never timed out apparently. I haven't confirmed that it works with other repos, though, but I think it is because I have aborted a package list creation recently. |
| 15:51.24 | mordy | hmm... maybe that's my problem - let me try this again |
| 15:52.39 | sladi | Any ideas why I can't create a deb package of a source, which is fine when doing make manually? |
| 15:52.55 | AVRS | Works without that repository. |
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| 15:53.15 | AVRS | sladi: any error message? |
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| 15:54.14 | djahandarie | Hello, I am having a problem with my interface configuration. Please view the pastebin for further information: http://pastebin.com/d6c6c67f7 |
| 15:54.50 | sladi | AVRS: http://pastebin.com/d610ab46b. |
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| 15:56.11 | sladi | AVRS: I get 'make: *** [all] Error 2' when doing make manually after that. When doing 'make clean' and ./configure and make again manually, it works. |
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| 15:56.30 | AVRS | sladi: have you looked at the debian/rules file? |
| 15:56.44 | mordy | how do i clear apt-cache? (not cacher) |
| 15:56.47 | EnderKUS | hi |
| 15:56.50 | AVRS | sladi: and have you tried specifying a prefix? |
| 15:56.56 | EnderKUS | what is java sun package name ??? |
| 15:57.07 | AVRS | mordy: probably you want /var/cache/apt/ |
| 15:57.21 | mordy | rm /....? |
| 15:57.29 | AVRS | mordy: it's not what the problem was with here, though, because it was a local repository here that was broken. |
| 15:57.32 | AVRS | mordy: empty |
| 15:57.53 | amitz | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:57.54 | AVRS | EnderKUS: a free one is openjdk-6-jre etc, but only in unstable currently. |
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| 15:58.14 | nkuttler | mordy: what do you mean? |
| 15:58.15 | AVRS | mordy: the files are indices. The directory contains packages. |
| 15:58.27 | amitz | I use a proxy and that's the result. it's strange since it refer to lenny but the key is etch |
| 15:58.45 | mordy | i think i'm getting confused myself :( |
| 15:59.12 | zyx386 | in aptitude how can install the new packet? |
| 15:59.34 | sladi | AVRS: Yes. I havent changed the automatically generated file execpt for the highlighted lines: http://pastebin.com/m4bea8d1b I also added ./configure (former link). I'm not sure what prefix is required. It's a driver for a soundcard. |
| 15:59.39 | AVRS | zyx386: in its GUI/TUI, search for the package using "/", and then press "+" on it. |
| 15:59.42 | hoxu | amitz, bad proxy |
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| 15:59.55 | hoxu | amitz, try bypassing the proxy and see if you still get the error |
| 16:00.12 | zyx386 | AVRS, that is debian server |
| 16:00.44 | AVRS | zyx386: I mean the interface, i.e. if you are not using aptitude through command line, but through menus. |
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| 16:01.07 | zyx386 | i connection with the server with ssh |
| 16:01.34 | zyx386 | and make aptitude and say is 68MB in uptitude status but can't install it |
| 16:01.39 | zyx386 | AVRS, |
| 16:01.44 | helo | anyone know how i can connect to a smb server through a nat gateway? (i am on the inside of the nat, the smb server is on the outside) |
| 16:02.07 | AVRS | zyx386: press "g"? Or I don't understand yet. |
| 16:02.18 | mordy | hmm.... i don't even know what my problem is though. it's something to do with the proxy, but i don't know what. the proxy log is normal |
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| 16:02.38 | helo | the smb-nat package isn't what i'm looking for, and i don't see a ip_nat_smb module... |
| 16:02.39 | zyx386 | AVRS, srry but press g dont make any defreence |
| 16:03.01 | AVRS | zyx386: is it aptitude or apt-get? |
| 16:03.05 | hoxu | mordy, were you looking for "apt-get clean"? |
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| 16:03.09 | zyx386 | aptitude |
| 16:03.20 | mordy | hoxu - yes i was, but that didn't seem to help me |
| 16:03.25 | amitz | hoxy: problem is i need a proxy, any proxy since my isp blocks some debian servers. |
| 16:03.27 | hoxu | mordy, what's your problem? |
| 16:03.27 | AVRS | zyx386: Sorry, don't know then. |
| 16:03.41 | mordy | hoxu - apt-get hangs when using apt-cacher |
| 16:04.19 | amitz | mordy: i just read your case, try to remove the problematic file from /var/cache/apt-cacher |
| 16:04.25 | hoxu | amitz, 1) try another proxy to see if it solves the problem 2) try updating again to see if you get valid data from the proxy 3) contact your isp and tell them that you are not amused by their broken proxy and the fact that they ban debian mirrors |
| 16:04.42 | mordy | amitz, how? just clear it? |
| 16:04.51 | zyx386 | AVRS, http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVNz_ci look that |
| 16:04.58 | hoxu | mordy, most likely a bug with apt-cacher then, read the documentation and/or report a bug |
| 16:05.18 | mordy | i've read the documentation - perhaps i'll see what's in apt-cache |
| 16:05.22 | Strog576 | hi peeps |
| 16:05.24 | mordy | r |
| 16:05.26 | AVRS | zyx386: does F10 and going through the menus do nothing either? |
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| 16:06.39 | amitz | mirdy: just delete the file where you stuck from the /var/cache/apt-cacher (or something along that line, i forgot). I used apt-cacher and deleting the stuck file usually help |
| 16:06.40 | zyx386 | AVRS, u make update the list and g install, i do that but in status still say 68MB to install!! |
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| 16:06.57 | AVRS | hmm |
| 16:07.30 | zyx386 | AVRS, thanx now worked CTRL+T and first option :) |
| 16:07.37 | AVRS | np :) |
| 16:07.46 | amitz | mordy: apt-cacher will redownload the file again |
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| 16:09.01 | mordy | well, i just cleared all the files... let's see what will happen now |
| 16:09.20 | Strog576 | i played with the iptables command arround a little and i kinda messed up my internet connection |
| 16:09.31 | amitz | dude, you shouldn't clear all the files, just the offending file |
| 16:09.34 | Strog576 | here is whati have typed http://www.pastebin.org/56746 |
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| 16:09.49 | mordy | amitz, i don't even know what's offending - i'll paste where apt-get hangs |
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| 16:10.33 | mordy | gah, how do i copy from xterm? |
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| 16:11.05 | jelly | mordy: just select with left mouse. paste with middle button somewhere else |
| 16:11.24 | jelly | mordy: more than 3 lines -> use a pastebin |
| 16:11.36 | mordy | hehe yeah jelly :p |
| 16:11.41 | AVRS | sladi: I am not sure (have never built driver packages for m-a), but isn't ./configure called in debian/rules by default? |
| 16:12.03 | AVRS | sladi: as a part of the config.status rule |
| 16:12.24 | AVRS | It seems to be in your file, too. |
| 16:12.46 | sladi | AVRS: It wasn't called first, no. I added it like this: http://pastebin.com/d610ab46b |
| 16:13.55 | sladi | AVRS: when I did the dpkg command without that line there was never configure to be seen working. With the line you can see configure is doing its thing. |
| 16:14.33 | AVRS | sladi: I am not even sure it is supposed to be made using dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 16:15.08 | mordy | ok, here's the output from apt-get |
| 16:15.10 | mordy | http://paste.debian.net/12815/ |
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| 16:15.51 | sladi | AVRS: I see. Thanks! I guess you'd need to do it by hand? |
| 16:15.53 | mordy | what i don't know is if apt-cacher is even connecting to the internet. it seems to be connecting to the internet, but i don't knwo how to interpret the logs really |
| 16:16.12 | AVRS | sladi: no |
| 16:16.52 | themill | sladi: you are now calling configure twice in that debian/rules |
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| 16:17.13 | AVRS | sladi: http://ppa.launchpad.net/raof/ubuntu/pool/main/libd/libdrm/ - that drm-modules-source is probably made the way you have to make yours… but I don't know what that way is. |
| 16:17.14 | themill | sladi: it is already called in line 25 |
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| 16:18.38 | grzegorz129 | hi! |
| 16:18.44 | sladi | themill: I saw it, but I never saw it working (by its ouput). Is that normal, that you can't see the output configure generates with dpkg? |
| 16:19.33 | Strog576 | i messed up my internet connection and now i cant get on the net with my laptop. i played around with the console.here is what i have entered: http://www.pastebin.org/56746 |
| 16:19.41 | grzegorz129 | how to set static dns |
| 16:19.46 | sladi | AVRS: Thanks, I'll look at those. :) |
| 16:19.48 | grzegorz129 | without using static ip ? |
| 16:19.58 | amitz | hmm assuming workingoffline (or something like that in conf file) is turned off, and you have deleted all Packages and Release file, I have no idea, especially if you always stuck at 79%.try other mirror perhaps? |
| 16:21.07 | AVRS | sladi: there is also a drm-modules-source package in Debian experimental. |
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| 16:22.18 | sladi | AVRS: I'll try, but I'm very new to Linux and compiling. ^^ |
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| 16:28.12 | deAtog | apt-get dist-upgrade is getting stuck on the lvm2 package during the process of "Backing up any LVM2 metadata that may exist" anyone know what I can do to fix this ? |
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| 16:28.50 | mordy | gah, i'm not doing something right in apt-cacher |
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| 16:29.15 | cr3rzemjest | hai |
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| 16:29.43 | h725 | hi how can one spoof the mac address in debian installer? |
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| 16:30.48 | cr3rzemjest | every time i start an app with plays sound (firefox,mplayer), i can't hear anything. however, the sliders in alsamixer are in correct position. in order to hear anything i need to move PCM slider a little up/down. why is that? |
| 16:30.50 | asg | h725: drop to a shell (alt+f2) and use ifconfig |
| 16:31.13 | themill | (if it's available in the installer...) |
| 16:31.28 | asg | themill: I thought it was, at least on etch. Not sure about lenny |
| 16:31.31 | h725 | asg: it is not available .. tried that as the first option of course ;-) |
| 16:31.43 | asg | hmmm |
| 16:31.59 | themill | asg: it might depend on which installer image you're using. nfc. too long since I did a fresh install ;( |
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| 16:33.35 | asg | h725: do you have the 'ip' command (it's from the iproute2 package) |
| 16:33.42 | asg | h725: if that's there, you might be able to set it with that. |
| 16:33.59 | h725 | asg yes ip is there |
| 16:34.25 | themill | huh!? how odd. |
| 16:34.32 | nkuttler | cr3rzemjest: master != pcm, pcm is what most apps go through |
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| 16:35.21 | asg | h725: ip address ... (or somesuch) |
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| 16:35.43 | epsilon | check dmesg, MAC should be in there too |
| 16:35.44 | h725 | reading the docs right now |
| 16:36.10 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 16:36.21 | Dusk_ | i want to install rt73 on debian lenny and in the wiki it says First make sure you have the "contrib" component in your /etc/apt/sources.list. If not, add it and run "aptitude update". |
| 16:36.26 | Dusk_ | how can i make it?? |
| 16:36.33 | themill | !contrib |
| 16:36.33 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 16:38.46 | solar_sea | is there any tutorial to get apache2 with php5 working on debian lenny ? [i386] |
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| 16:39.37 | h725 | asg: seems as ip does not change ether addersses |
| 16:39.39 | [Jasper] | anyone here who knows something about docbook? |
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| 16:40.06 | [Jasper] | or about openjade |
| 16:40.08 | asg | [Jasper]: it's ugly and complicated. Fortunately, you can download the oreilly book for free at oreilly.com/openbook |
| 16:40.10 | themill | solar_sea: /msg dpkg lamp |
| 16:40.31 | h725 | anyway thanks for the suggestions... i'll try at home where the network is not that restricted ;-)... cheers |
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| 16:40.43 | [Jasper] | asg, I'm getting all these openjade errors, when trying to 'make' libdbi, about elements being undefined |
| 16:40.47 | [Jasper] | any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 16:41.17 | asg | [Jasper]: you might try #docbook if nobody here knows |
| 16:41.17 | nkuttler | solar_sea: um, what part are you having trouble with? |
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| 16:41.55 | solar_sea | nkuttler - getting any output from apache. i've configured it in ports.conf and in the default site to use port 8080, but whenever I try get / - it closes the connection |
| 16:42.16 | mordy | hmm... when i run apt-cacher i get "Unable to bind socket (port 3142)," |
| 16:42.38 | deAtog | dpkg is getting stuck while trying to configure the lvm2 package.. is there any way to skip the configuration of this package temporarily? Right now if I kill dpkg apt-get tells me I need to do dpkg --configure -a before I can do anything else |
| 16:42.39 | dpkg | You are moron #6, deAtog |
| 16:42.39 | nkuttler | solar_sea: anything in your logs? |
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| 16:43.14 | nkuttler | deAtog: put an exit 0 at the beginning of the postinst script |
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| 16:43.31 | [Jasper] | no-one responding in docbook |
| 16:43.32 | [Jasper] | this sucks |
| 16:43.36 | [Jasper] | I need to install libdbi :p |
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| 16:43.46 | solar_sea | Invalid URI in request GET index.php, when I try to access host:8080/index.php |
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| 16:43.56 | deAtog | nkuttler: where would I find the postinst script at? |
| 16:44.05 | [Jasper] | I'm probably missing some stuff openjade needs, |
| 16:44.08 | nkuttler | deAtog: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:44.15 | deAtog | thanks |
| 16:44.18 | themill | solar_sea: how are you trying to access it? |
| 16:44.46 | solar_sea | host:8080/index.php from iceweasel |
| 16:44.57 | themill | !wayttd [Jasper] |
| 16:44.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [Jasper]? |
| 16:45.32 | themill | solar_sea: what does "netstat -pant | grep :8080" show? |
| 16:45.55 | solar_sea | tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN 3198/apache2 - it's listening |
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| 16:46.16 | themill | only on ipv6? |
| 16:46.34 | [Jasper] | themill I'm trying to build libdbi from source on debian |
| 16:46.43 | epsilon | do you use ipv6? |
| 16:46.52 | solar_sea | nope, hm |
| 16:46.59 | themill | [Jasper]: is this different to the libdbi0 package that's already in debian? |
| 16:47.30 | epsilon | then disable it |
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| 16:47.38 | themill | solar_sea: actually, don't worry too much about that... that shouldn't be the problem here. |
| 16:47.50 | epsilon | !ipv6 |
| 16:47.50 | dpkg | hmm... ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 16:48.05 | mordy | is anyone here successfuly using an apt-* proxy of some sort? |
| 16:48.10 | solar_sea | actually, i'm about to remove apache and set up my other web server to use the php cli bin :) |
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| 16:48.33 | [Jasper] | themill, libdbi0 isn't currently in debian |
| 16:48.36 | nkuttler | solar_sea: do you get anything at all on port 8080? like a foo.html ? |
| 16:48.42 | asg | mordy: I use approx to front about 100 machines. Works well. |
| 16:48.48 | [Jasper] | themill only in testing |
| 16:48.58 | themill | [Jasper]: it's in lenny/sid -- a simple backport would be the easiest thing to do most likely. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:48.59 | amitz | mordy |
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| 16:49.31 | mordy | i'll try that. i got approx, but from the description and the man file, it seems pretty much the same as apt-cache |
| 16:49.37 | [Jasper] | themill http://pastebin.com/m7b7b4b57 |
| 16:49.42 | [Jasper] | that's the error I get.. |
| 16:49.42 | amitz | mordy apt-cacher-ng. |
| 16:49.57 | [Jasper] | compiling it myself should be just as easey themill |
| 16:50.02 | mordy | amitz- how is that different from apt-cacher? |
| 16:50.05 | [Jasper] | if only I knew what kind of stupid error this is |
| 16:50.18 | solar_sea | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/d20b3031 |
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| 16:51.02 | nkuttler | solar_sea: gee... does index.html exist? |
| 16:51.03 | amitz | mordy: more options.. similar unreliability... |
| 16:51.04 | [Jasper] | never mind themill I fixed it |
| 16:51.10 | mordy | hehe amitz |
| 16:51.10 | [Jasper] | configured it without building the docs |
| 16:51.20 | amitz | :-) |
| 16:51.29 | solar_sea | nkuttler, it does |
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| 16:51.59 | nkuttler | solar_sea: there's probably something broken with your apache config, paste it somewhere |
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| 16:52.37 | mordy | amitz - i'll try my luck with approx |
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| 16:53.20 | themill | [Jasper]: backporting is trivial and you get the benefit of having the package managed by dpkg. In the time since you sent me that pastebin, I made a backported package... that's how easy it is. |
| 16:53.31 | solar_sea | nkuttler, the default one site http://pastebin.com/m9512185 |
| 16:53.36 | amitz | mordy: good luck then, sorry can't help much since i also encounter similar problem with apt-cachcer-ng |
| 16:53.43 | solar_sea | i haven't touched anything else in /etc/apache21 |
| 16:53.48 | solar_sea | apache2* |
| 16:53.50 | themill | [Jasper]: at the very least, apt-get build-dep packagename is a good thing to use to play find the libararies needed to build things. |
| 16:53.57 | mordy | amitz- does it *ever* work? why does it fail? :( |
| 16:55.12 | mordy | before i proceed with that - is there anyone using intel 915 integrated graphics with lenny on a 1440x900 resolution? i can't seem to figure out for the life of mine why it's so slow |
| 16:55.14 | solar_sea | nkuttler, /var/www's permissions are fine, it's index.html - too |
| 16:55.17 | [Jasper] | what package should I apt-get to get the mysql libraries then themill ? |
| 16:55.17 | amitz | i suspect it depends on the reliability of our internet connection. apt-cacher is not smart enough to reload broken download i suspect. apt-get is better. |
| 16:55.20 | nkuttler | solar_sea: looks allright to me... |
| 16:55.45 | Eulex | amitz, emh, using apt-cacher over the internet? |
| 16:55.53 | amitz | but apt-cacher works, usually |
| 16:55.55 | Eulex | and not a local lan? |
| 16:56.16 | amitz | eulex: no, over lan of course |
| 16:56.17 | solar_sea | nkuttler, that's on access 127.0.0.1 - - [24/Jul/2008:19:50:07 +0300] "GET /" 200 - "-" "-" |
| 16:56.31 | themill | [Jasper]: apt-file is your friend for these things. apt-file search mysql.h. Also apt-cache search mysql dev. |
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| 16:56.45 | Eulex | amitz, right. I used apt-cacher some time ago, and it worked flawlessly for me... |
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| 16:58.01 | mordy | maybe i'm not setting everything up properly |
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| 16:58.44 | mordy | am i supposed to open some ports or something like that? or is apt-cacher doing that automatically (although i guess i should be getting a 403 somewhere if that were the case, no? and i guess that apt-cacher wouldn't have anything in its cache if it weren't connecting) |
| 16:58.58 | amitz | mordy: quite likely, but i'm not good at port stuff so can''t help much there |
| 16:59.13 | AVRS | sladi: fwiw: you need to look at the debian/ directory in the libdrm source code archive (in the Debian version, it is drm-snapshot), and not inside the drm-modules-source package itself. |
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| 16:59.30 | mordy | i'm using approx and am getting a 403 now |
| 16:59.48 | sladi | AVRS: OK, thank you. :) |
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| 17:00.55 | AVRS | sladi: I seem to have built a real drm-modules-source package now. I failed before because I've tried reusing my previous packaging, or because I've removed too much from RAOF's source when cleaning up the Ubuntu details. |
| 17:01.04 | AVRS | np, good luck |
| 17:01.33 | sladi | AVRS: Thanks! :) |
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| 17:03.35 | naiv | Q: do you know a cd utility to see all the sessions of a multisession cd ? |
| 17:04.41 | mordy | asg: is there a walkthrough anywhere for approx? |
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| 17:06.25 | asg | mordy: the manpage is quite complete and the config file is fully commented |
| 17:08.23 | HardDisk_WP | i have an imap account |
| 17:08.30 | mordy | asg - i've done that. but something tells me that other things, perhaps more basic are giving me problems. i shouldn't be getting 403 errors in apt-get |
| 17:08.45 | HardDisk_WP | how can i dump every mail from it into some standard format which i can import in google mail? |
| 17:09.03 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: fetchmail? |
| 17:09.07 | asg | mordy: did you alter your apt sources to use the correct host and port? |
| 17:09.14 | nite613 | HardDisk_WP: try imapsync |
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| 17:09.32 | nite613 | Also if you configure both accounts in thunderbird you can just drag the messages from one to the other |
| 17:09.38 | nite613 | not always the most reliable, but it's easy |
| 17:09.50 | mordy | asg - yes - here's the sources.list |
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| 17:10.30 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 17:10.34 | jmaslibre | mutt |
| 17:11.27 | mordy | asg - here: http://paste.debian.net/12820/ |
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| 17:12.05 | Quibus | Hi, is there a way to see where the upstream sources of a package are coming from? |
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| 17:12.34 | xingu | Quibus: apt-cache policy? |
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| 17:13.00 | Quibus | xingu: does that list the upstream source location? I don't see it. |
| 17:13.40 | themill | Quibus: /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright should have that information. Newer packages might also have a get-orig-source target in their source in debian/rules. Also see debian/watch in the source package. |
| 17:14.04 | Quibus | ah, right, thanks! |
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| 17:14.59 | themill | Quibus: You can also apt-get source packagename (if you have deb-src entries in the sources.list) to grab the source that was used to compile the package you have. |
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| 17:15.02 | asg | mordy: if you configured /etc/approx/approx.conf correctly, you won't need to specify 'security.debian.org/' etc in your sources |
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| 17:16.00 | mordy | gah, let me reread the man. i read something about adding the repositories in approx.conf, but was under the impression ti was optional |
| 17:16.41 | mordy | what's the name for the X man-reader? i remember finding it once, but forgot it again |
| 17:16.45 | asg | xman |
| 17:16.50 | mordy | thanks |
| 17:17.56 | cr3rzemjest | X-man hahahah |
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| 17:19.04 | mordy | asg - it's making more sense now. i also understand how approx doesn't need any modification of sources.list on the client (at least in the sense that if you want to change a mirror, you don't have to do it in all the clients, although you still need to intially configure them to point to approx in the first place) but let me try this. hehe, xman is much easier on the eyes |
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| 17:21.35 | DarkCow | how can I see a list of packages I have installed that came from the experimental respository? |
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| 17:22.46 | Eulex | DarkCow, you can't. |
| 17:22.50 | DarkCow | ok |
| 17:23.04 | tester5 | Please, how do I find out what debian cds I need if I want to install teslive and gnome? I will be without internet after i get the cds.... |
| 17:23.08 | Eulex | there's no tag in a package saying 'this came from this and that section' |
| 17:23.11 | tester5 | er, texlive |
| 17:23.14 | tester5 | that is, latex |
| 17:23.36 | DarkCow | understandable |
| 17:23.37 | tester5 | i mean etch cds, too, if that helps |
| 17:23.38 | Eulex | DarkCow, the best you can do is to look at the version number and guess. |
| 17:24.03 | Igneous | Isn't there a debian dvd? |
| 17:24.05 | Eulex | !cd contents |
| 17:24.06 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 17:24.15 | Eulex | Igneous, it doesn't fit on a dvd :) |
| 17:24.22 | Igneous | hueg |
| 17:24.30 | mordy | asg - what would be the format for backports though? both backports and the official debian sources haver "/debian" as their initial directory |
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| 17:24.52 | Katty | herro. |
| 17:25.02 | Igneous | hai2u |
| 17:25.12 | Katty | howrchu? |
| 17:25.22 | Eulex | Igneous, so there are three. |
| 17:26.22 | Igneous | Eulex, yeah, I see that.. that's seriously huge |
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| 17:27.39 | mordy | asg - still getting a 403 though :( |
| 17:28.48 | tester5 | Eulex, thank you |
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| 17:29.25 | deAtog | nkuttler: thanks for the help... something went terribly wrong during that upgrade.. but all is well now |
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| 17:32.39 | clamiax | hi |
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| 17:33.07 | clamiax | How can i uninstall all unneeded dependencies? |
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| 17:34.52 | hellues | hey when i try to send file to my phone by using bluetooth |
| 17:34.57 | hellues | it give and error |
| 17:35.05 | hellues | it give an error |
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| 17:35.32 | hellues | i wonder are there something like adduse username bluez or bluetooth |
| 17:36.25 | mordy | gah, how do i open ports on this thing? (although one would think that approx would open ports already)? |
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| 17:38.20 | sysop2 | ok I have a problem that was caused by an upgrade. I was running etch and wanted to upgrade to the newer thunderbird that lenny has. so I put a lenny repostiory in and after install thunderbird and a whole bunch of other packages I get errors running perl. saying stuff about language being unset. any clues?: |
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| 17:38.37 | pickcoder | mordy: open what sort of ports on what? |
| 17:39.08 | hellues | pain of salvation stress |
| 17:39.19 | pickcoder | sysop2: you don't install packages directly from another release |
| 17:39.28 | mordy | pickoder, i'm just trying to get approx to work. i've configured the .config file as well as my sources.list and i keep getting a 403 in apt-get update |
| 17:39.28 | pickcoder | there's no telling what you've broken |
| 17:39.33 | liable | sysop2: there have been perl issues |
| 17:39.51 | liable | sysop2: you now have a mongrel system |
| 17:39.55 | pickcoder | mordy: oh.. I don't use apt-proxy |
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| 17:40.18 | mordy | pickcoder - how do i determine what's giving me the 403 though? |
| 17:40.53 | pickcoder | mordy: wget a file manually |
| 17:41.19 | mordy | pickcoder - on port 9999? |
| 17:41.41 | pickcoder | mordy: I dunno. I don't use apt-proxy |
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| 17:41.54 | kali67 | On a working debian etch with / on s/w raid, an upgrade to 2.6.26 fails to boot the kernel . Can someone please help ? |
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| 17:42.11 | pickcoder | sysop2: you may have to dist-upgrade now if a lot of core stuff was downloaded from the lenny repos |
| 17:42.39 | liable | mordy: what are you using approx for? not d-i stuff is it? |
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| 17:42.51 | mordy | d-i? |
| 17:42.57 | liable | nm then |
| 17:43.27 | mordy | liable - just as an apt-get proxy |
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| 17:43.55 | Eulex | would dnsmasq be vulnerable to the dns poisoning issue recently discovered? |
| 17:44.13 | mordy | i've just got a feeling that it's working fine and something in my network isn't configured properly |
| 17:44.20 | liable | mordy: paste your approx config and sources.list |
| 17:44.25 | mordy | ok |
| 17:44.26 | hellues | ben seras victoria vampir avlatim kendimde aslinda bir vampirim ustam alucard a hizmet ederim |
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| 17:45.19 | epsilon | Victoria Beckham is a vampire?! |
| 17:45.19 | spreeuw | hello if a deian bind returns 8.4.7-REL-NOESW |
| 17:45.19 | liable | !pt |
| 17:45.20 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:45.25 | spreeuw | does it mean its vulnerable? |
| 17:45.27 | pipegeek | :( I'm having serious difficulty getting apt-proxy to work. 'apt-get update's from some hosts just hang waiting for headers, with no errors reported by apt-proxy. But if I run apt-proxy in pdb and step through the main loop, said updates work fine. |
| 17:45.32 | liable | wonders if he got that one right |
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| 17:45.47 | liable | i doubt it |
| 17:45.49 | pickcoder | Eulex: it's not bind9 |
| 17:45.55 | mordy | liable - that's turkish |
| 17:46.06 | Eulex | pickcoder, I know, but wasn't the problem in the dns protocol? |
| 17:46.08 | themill | liable: not according to whois you didn't |
| 17:46.12 | liable | heh |
| 17:46.16 | hellues | andy timmons cry for you |
| 17:46.17 | spreeuw | Eulex: yes it is |
| 17:46.19 | liable | nothing unusual |
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| 17:46.39 | mordy | liable http://paste.debian.net/12823/ |
| 17:46.50 | pickcoder | Eulex: are you serving DNS to the world with dnsmasq? |
| 17:46.50 | mordy | as the linguist in here, i can render my professional services |
| 17:47.01 | Eulex | pickcoder, nope, just local |
| 17:47.13 | pickcoder | so what's the worry? |
| 17:48.01 | spreeuw | "ANYONE RUNNING BIND AS A CACHING RESOLVER IS AFFECTED." bind website |
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| 17:48.14 | naiv | Anyone know how to open this file type ? : Motorola Quark Express Document (English) |
| 17:48.19 | liable | mordy: looks ok. |
| 17:48.23 | Eulex | pickcoder, well, if some local machine (*cough* one of the windows machines *cough*) became compromised... |
| 17:48.24 | spreeuw | I patched my tarballs 2 weeks ago luckily |
| 17:48.29 | liable | mordy: can you telnet to the port? |
| 17:48.39 | mordy | hmm... |
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| 17:49.01 | pipegeek | It reports a download failure for Sources.bz2, then... nothing. |
| 17:49.16 | mordy | liable: telnet <host>:<port>? |
| 17:49.28 | spreeuw | space |
| 17:49.29 | liable | telnet host port |
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| 17:50.57 | mordy | liable "Connected <line> escape character.. <line> connection closed by foreign host" - i guess it means it's okj? |
| 17:51.13 | spreeuw | anyway, some dudes dns just failed completely and he returns this version string |
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| 17:51.21 | spreeuw | it seems to be deb 4 |
| 17:51.21 | penrod | greetings, I am trouble with mmv , I have a large quantity of files with a "~" at the end of the file name and I am trying to remove it. My understanding of how the syntax should work is, mmv -rv *~ #1, which should rename all the files without the "~" , have I missed something ? |
| 17:51.26 | spreeuw | bye |
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| 17:51.52 | liable | mordy: yeah |
| 17:52.13 | mordy | hehe, at least i now know how to test if a port is open |
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| 17:53.14 | mordy | liable - i noticed this from approx -f "bind: Address already in use" |
| 17:53.38 | liable | mordy: hmm, check your netstat -pantu output |
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| 17:54.09 | voicu | is debian good with laptops? especially battery life |
| 17:54.26 | Eulex | yes |
| 17:54.37 | Eulex | just make sure to set up cpufreq/speedstep |
| 17:54.41 | pickcoder | voicu: battery life is factor of usage |
| 17:54.55 | mordy | liable - http://paste.debian.net/12823/12824/ |
| 17:54.56 | liable | and factor of support for acpi |
| 17:55.11 | n3kl | pickcoder: there are also acpi scripts and functions that you can set to improve it thought |
| 17:55.29 | voicu | yeah, that's what i'm asking about |
| 17:55.44 | voicu | (k)ubuntu seems to be good with that but i'd rather use debian |
| 17:55.58 | mordy | liable - seems normal to me - no? |
| 17:56.03 | liable | mordy: looks like only approx on that port. not sure why you got that error, maybe trying to start another instance |
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| 17:56.25 | mordy | liable - should i kill it and try again? |
| 17:56.49 | liable | normal like a windows box with so many ports serviced :P |
| 17:56.52 | liable | mordy: sure |
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| 17:57.18 | mordy | lol liable - i don't know what's taking over all those ports |
| 17:57.44 | mordy | well, it is a "Server" |
| 17:57.52 | voicu | So, can anyone tell me: if you are running debian on a laptop, is the support OK? especially battery life |
| 17:58.14 | liable | voicu: depends on the hardware |
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| 17:58.42 | pickcoder | Eulex: that answer I get regarding dnsmasq is it _could_ be vulnerable since it caches |
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| 17:58.47 | AbsintheSyringe | voicu, of course it's fine I've been running linux on laptops for since 2003 and it's all fine |
| 17:59.19 | pickcoder | I would assume that the caching problem was reviewed, but it's probably best to research it |
| 17:59.20 | liable | voicu: if it runs ok in ubuntu, you can get it to do the same in debian |
| 17:59.36 | mordy | liable - i think it's working now - at least i'm not getting the 403 again :SD |
| 17:59.44 | Eulex | pickcoder, ok. |
| 18:00.00 | mordy | gah, but it hangs again :( same problem as in apt-cacher :( |
| 18:00.01 | voicu | that's what i was thinking but i wanted to make sure i could use it properly, that is install linux and not make compromises because of this |
| 18:00.08 | voicu | thanks for the info |
| 18:00.25 | mordy | does approx have a log of some sort? |
| 18:00.57 | liable | mordy: check the docs /usr/share/approx/ |
| 18:01.04 | liable | mordy: check the docs /usr/share/doc/approx/ |
| 18:01.42 | bstock | anyone here able to successfully setup jumbo frames on gigabit network? |
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| 18:01.49 | kenjy | guys how can I know how many open files I have? ( a total) |
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| 18:02.04 | epsilon | lsof |
| 18:02.22 | pickcoder | (files) is a broad term on Linux |
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| 18:02.35 | pickcoder | do you want sockets, pipes, and everything in between? |
| 18:02.55 | zbk22 | kenjy: i know there is a maximum defined in one of the header files. |
| 18:03.19 | kenjy | zbk22: yes but I don't need the maximum defined, I need the total number of opened files :O |
| 18:03.26 | mordy | liable - nothing there except changelog, copyright, "news" etc. |
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| 18:04.48 | liable | mordy: hmm, stuck with the man pages i guess. approx.conf .. look in daemon.log |
| 18:04.57 | liable | or the default file for it |
| 18:04.59 | SparFux | Hi. Aptitude doesn't seem to be able to find the bug tracking system. Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: invalid date. What can I do? |
| 18:05.07 | mordy | /var/log/daemon.log? |
| 18:05.12 | liable | yeah |
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| 18:06.17 | pickcoder | kenjy: lsof | wc -l |
| 18:06.38 | kenjy | tnks pickcoder |
| 18:06.43 | pickcoder | that includes fifos, sockets, dirs, files, |
| 18:06.48 | pickcoder | the kitchen sink.. |
| 18:07.13 | mordy | liable - in that log file it says "no remote repository for..." - meh, i'll just post the output, it's not that much |
| 18:07.53 | mordy | liable - http://paste.debian.net/12825/ |
| 18:08.07 | mordy | adds /var/log/daemon.log to his speeddial |
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| 18:08.40 | Nyle | speed dial eh |
| 18:08.45 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:08.55 | mordy | nyle, just a text file i keep on my desktop called speeddial |
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| 18:09.08 | Nyle | what does it contain |
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| 18:09.46 | mordy | nyle, so far it contains the directory to the X modules, init.d/networking restart, and the daemon.log |
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| 18:10.05 | Nyle | oh its just a file where you save locations of important files |
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| 18:10.09 | mordy | yeah |
| 18:10.12 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:10.19 | Nyle | I do something like that too :) |
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| 18:10.28 | Nyle | I need to consolidate my bookmarks too |
| 18:10.39 | Nyle | spread across multple browsers in multple pcs |
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| 18:10.53 | mordy | nyle, put it into a database :D |
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| 18:11.03 | liable | mordy: you like your having NM issues which may be causing it |
| 18:11.06 | Nyle | nah, internet based bookmarks |
| 18:11.24 | Nyle | hey liable |
| 18:11.33 | mordy | liable - realized that, but i don't think that's the problem. i don't even have functioning wlan on the thing |
| 18:11.43 | mordy | but let me apt-get remove network-manager, it just causes trouble anyway |
| 18:12.05 | Nyle | whats network manager? |
| 18:12.12 | mordy | gnome |
| 18:12.35 | jelly | daemon and accompanying applet to configure network easily |
| 18:12.37 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:12.51 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:12.58 | Nyle | has knetworkmanager in systray |
| 18:13.03 | Nyle | never noticed... |
| 18:13.18 | jelly | could be an applet for the same thing |
| 18:13.23 | Nyle | it is, kde thingy |
| 18:13.35 | Nyle | pokes jelly and watches him jiggle |
| 18:13.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:13.56 | Nyle | fatso! |
| 18:13.57 | ron1n | NetworkManager just makes things too complicated |
| 18:14.00 | jelly | if you have a NetworkManager process running, that's a good symptom of NM infestation |
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| 18:14.07 | Nyle | NM? |
| 18:14.11 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:14.15 | Kumool | erm hi... i hav a problem everytime i move something on a fat32 partition it moves but it doesnt erase what i moved is there a way around this without having to mannually erase everytime i move something? |
| 18:14.19 | jelly | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 18:14.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:14.32 | Nyle | dpkg forget penixstrike |
| 18:14.32 | dpkg | Nyle: i forgot penixstrike |
| 18:14.37 | mordy | liable - just did apt-get update aftrer removing network-manager - same problem and same daemon output (minus the interspersed nm output) |
| 18:14.42 | Nyle | sick and tired of this |
| 18:14.42 | liable | noooh! |
| 18:14.54 | Nyle | liable, SHADDAP! |
| 18:14.55 | jelly | thankfully, |
| 18:14.55 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:14.56 | jelly | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 18:14.57 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:14.57 | liable | you cant fucking delete that cmd |
| 18:15.00 | Nyle | oy |
| 18:15.06 | Nyle | cut it out |
| 18:15.07 | Nyle | :( |
| 18:15.13 | jelly | that's two strikes mister! |
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| 18:15.21 | Nyle | dpkg forget jelly |
| 18:15.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:15.22 | dpkg | i forgot jelly, Nyle |
| 18:15.34 | Nyle | oh whoops |
| 18:15.36 | Nyle | stops |
| 18:15.36 | jelly | feels sad and ronery |
| 18:15.44 | Nyle | sits by jelly |
| 18:15.46 | mordy | liable - not to remove nm? |
| 18:15.48 | Nyle | hey you wanna soda? |
| 18:15.51 | liable | mordy: hmm, duuno |
| 18:16.17 | liable | i'm so ronery, so very ronery.. fuck you hanz bricks! |
| 18:16.25 | mordy | hehe, i remember that one |
| 18:16.32 | mordy | !ronery |
| 18:16.33 | liable | mordy: no, was talking to Nyle |
| 18:16.36 | mordy | oh |
| 18:16.50 | liable | irt deleting commands |
| 18:16.57 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:17.03 | Nyle | thats a dumb one anyway |
| 18:17.14 | jelly | yeah, unless used on Nyle. |
| 18:17.22 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 18:17.26 | Nyle | a-hole |
| 18:17.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:17.32 | jelly | winks |
| 18:18.05 | mordy | gah, what can be giving me these errors:( |
| 18:18.28 | Nyle | Need to get 540MB/541MB of archives. |
| 18:18.58 | Nyle | goddamn. again weekly update and close to a cd's worth of packages. maybe I should try daily upgrades |
| 18:19.38 | Nyle | 15% [116 libgl1-mesa-dri 8219588/12.4MB 66%] 1142kB/s 6min38s |
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| 18:19.51 | Nyle | wow, thats fast, 10mbps down |
| 18:20.31 | Nyle | for the same price you get verizon dsl, that I pay for cable, and dsl is like 100 times suckier |
| 18:21.24 | Nyle | 1176kB/s DAMN! I've only ever seen it go to 1200 once, lets see if i can reach it again |
| 18:22.15 | Nyle | capping at 1197 right now! |
| 18:22.43 | mordy | gah, i need a name of a harmless package to see if this proxy is actually working |
| 18:22.47 | mordy | can anyone suggest a name? |
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| 18:22.58 | Nyle | dash |
| 18:23.08 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:23.24 | Nyle | !info dash |
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| 18:23.36 | abrotman | bah .. use 'robotfindskitten' |
| 18:23.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:24.03 | dpkg | dash: (POSIX-compliant shell), section shells, is optional. Version: 0.5.4-11 (sid), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 18:24.08 | SparFux | Is there an easy to use package to have a dia show on X11 fullscreen? |
| 18:24.09 | Nyle | time to make new arkwork wallpapers |
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| 18:24.28 | abrotman | SparFux: isn't there an export to html that oyu could use in a full screen browser? |
| 18:24.42 | SparFux | Hm... this would be quite complicated. |
| 18:25.23 | mordy | abrotman - jeez - there actually *is* such a package |
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| 18:26.18 | Nyle | mordy, robot chicken ! |
| 18:26.38 | Nyle | tries to find torrent of all Cow & Chicken episodes bye bye |
| 18:26.41 | mordy | genetically modified robot chickens |
| 18:27.09 | Nyle | abrotman, remember a few years ago.. silver hawks, I found every single episode, and The Bionic Six, and Voltron too |
| 18:27.14 | Nyle | =D |
| 18:27.31 | Nyle | i wonder what genentics software we have |
| 18:27.39 | mordy | has had all his archives gone for good after smashing his 500GB drive on the floor |
| 18:27.49 | Nyle | Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: invalid date |
| 18:27.52 | Nyle | It could be because your network is down, or because of broken proxy servers, or the BTS server itself is down. Check network configuration and try again |
| 18:27.55 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:27.59 | Nyle | whats up with this then? Is the BTS down? |
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| 18:28.01 | mordy | apt-get install keugenics? |
| 18:28.17 | Nyle | never seen this error message before |
| 18:28.41 | Nyle | (I've never had problems retrieving bugreports through apt-listbugs) |
| 18:29.23 | Nyle | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10 |
| 18:29.27 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 18:29.35 | Nyle | more bullshit work to do, i hate linux!! |
| 18:29.47 | mordy | hehe, want windows? |
| 18:29.57 | Nyle | ha, already got windows |
| 18:30.03 | mordy | which one? |
| 18:30.12 | Nyle | xp pro x64 |
| 18:30.21 | mordy | nyle - that one runs nicely |
| 18:30.27 | mordy | still miss 2000 though |
| 18:30.29 | Nyle | slim down throug nlite, mostly only used for oblivion and other games |
| 18:30.39 | abrotman | Nyle: yes, but silverhawks sucked .. |
| 18:30.46 | Nyle | nah, I disagree |
| 18:30.53 | Nyle | you may not have liked it, but it doesn't suck |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | Nyle: the real trick would be finding vehicle Voltron |
| 18:31.10 | Nyle | abrotman, I never liked those much, the later seasons, I dig the lions though |
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| 18:32.05 | Nyle | oh an update on my kubuntu machine |
| 18:32.28 | Nyle | lame... 20kb package needed updating |
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| 18:32.41 | twobitwork | does anyone know of a "good" GUI based minicom alternative? |
| 18:33.10 | Nyle | cutecom |
| 18:33.14 | Nyle | no |
| 18:33.14 | BB|AtWork | does anyone have any good documentation on how to setup a secure apt repository? |
| 18:33.16 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 18:33.24 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.31 | Nyle | apt-cache search minicom |
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| 18:34.11 | mordy | hehe, i got my icon gprs stick working - pretty cool |
| 18:34.24 | Nyle | gaming stick? |
| 18:34.36 | mordy | nyle, 3G internet |
| 18:34.40 | Nyle | ah |
| 18:34.46 | Nyle | whatever that is |
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| 18:35.01 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 18:35.04 | mordy | nyle - look up "option icon 7.2" - it's basically a cellular modem |
| 18:35.16 | Nyle | ahh |
| 18:35.21 | Nyle | !3g |
| 18:35.37 | mordy | !GPRS |
| 18:35.38 | dpkg | gprs is, like, an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing |
| 18:35.50 | Nyle | dpkg 3g is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G -- the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology |
| 18:35.50 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 18:36.04 | Nyle | Cybertinus, hi |
| 18:36.15 | Nyle | BB|AtWork, not sure, I've never setup an repo |
| 18:36.35 | Nyle | BB|AtWork, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#setting-up |
| 18:36.41 | Nyle | !repository |
| 18:36.42 | dpkg | i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 18:36.42 | Cybertinus | I'm having a little ssmtp question: How can I set a default From: header? But I only want to use this default From: header when no From header is given at the call of ssmtp. I've found the file /etc/ssmtp/revaliases, but I can only set a e-mail adres there for specific users. Isn't there a global setting? |
| 18:36.46 | Nyle | oh nm there it is |
| 18:37.04 | BB|AtWork | i really just need to know the proper way to generate the Releases file and Packages file and have them properly signed |
| 18:37.22 | Nyle | BB|AtWork, have you looked at any documentation |
| 18:37.22 | BB|AtWork | Nyle thanks,but that link is useless for setting up a secure repository. |
| 18:37.27 | Nyle | oh secure |
| 18:37.28 | pipegeek | anyone here familiar with apt-file? |
| 18:37.31 | Nyle | sorry man I dunon |
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| 18:37.37 | Nyle | pipegeek, just ask your specific question |
| 18:37.39 | pipegeek | sorry |
| 18:37.44 | Nyle | np |
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| 18:38.20 | pipegeek | I'm trying to figure out why 'apt-file search' is failing to find a package that contains this particular file, despite the fact that it's in our local repo (listed in sources.list), and, in fact, said package was installed from same. |
| 18:38.30 | pipegeek | have already done apt-file purge; apt-file update |
| 18:38.32 | Nyle | pipegeek, apt-file update |
| 18:38.35 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:38.39 | pipegeek | heh |
| 18:39.12 | liable | i dunno if it does local repos |
| 18:39.24 | liable | like non-standard |
| 18:39.31 | liable | not in debian repos |
| 18:39.39 | pipegeek | :( |
| 18:39.43 | mordy | hehe, updated dpkg's 3g entry |
| 18:39.45 | pipegeek | that'd be a shame |
| 18:39.48 | mordy | !3g |
| 18:39.48 | dpkg | methinks 3g is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G -- the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology. If you have a 3G modem, you may wish to see http://www.pharscape.org/content/blogsection/4/53/ to get it working on linux |
| 18:39.49 | Nyle | mordy, thank you |
| 18:39.58 | pipegeek | seeing as how dh-make-perl uses it to figure out dependencies |
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| 18:40.18 | kenjy | guys can you help me? I do userdel -r user but I get userdel: user user is currently logged in, I don't have any proces started by that user and the output of "who" don't show him |
| 18:40.20 | kenjy | can you help me? |
| 18:40.47 | Nyle | there was a util to kill every pid by a user |
| 18:40.47 | kenjy | lsof don't show nothing about him |
| 18:40.53 | Nyle | strays and such |
| 18:40.55 | Nyle | i forgot its name! |
| 18:41.13 | mordy | killall.sh? |
| 18:41.15 | Nyle | it was made for similar sitation, some handle somewhere is open for that user |
| 18:41.18 | Nyle | mordy, no |
| 18:41.27 | kenjy | not working, no process stard by that user |
| 18:41.30 | mordy | i just know that from busybox, but i don't think it ever worked |
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| 18:41.42 | jelly | Nyle: pkill can do that |
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| 18:42.01 | Cybertinus | ah |
| 18:42.03 | Cybertinus | never mind |
| 18:42.09 | kenjy | jelly: pkill what if no pid started by that user :S |
| 18:42.17 | Cybertinus | I've changed the RealName of my apache user, and now I've got what I want :) |
| 18:42.20 | Nyle | ok |
| 18:42.21 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 18:42.25 | Nyle | just try force |
| 18:42.26 | jelly | kenjy: that's why I wasn't answering you! |
| 18:42.31 | Nyle | -f , --force |
| 18:42.33 | Nyle | whatever |
| 18:42.42 | mordy | ok, any tips on setting up a proxy with squid? |
| 18:42.42 | Nyle | with userdel |
| 18:42.51 | Nyle | mordy, debian-administration |
| 18:43.14 | mordy | that's a site? |
| 18:43.14 | Nyle | I have one setup, I was using delay pools to control my roommates traffic |
| 18:43.14 | Nyle | mordy, yes it is |
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| 18:43.16 | Nyle | .org i tink |
| 18:43.18 | mordy | nyle :)) |
| 18:44.05 | valdyn | kenjy: which user are you trying to delete? |
| 18:44.13 | kenjy | valdyn: gaper |
| 18:44.24 | valdyn | kenjy: so just a common user |
| 18:44.33 | kenjy | valdyn: yes |
| 18:44.33 | mordy | it's a bit of a pain for me though, since my rtouter is simply a netgear box runnign dd-wrt - i'm not using a real compter with a switch etc |
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| 18:44.59 | valdyn | kenjy: try verifying that his numerical uid is really unique |
| 18:45.22 | Nyle | owns a WRT54G v6 w/ DDWRT v24 final |
| 18:45.30 | Nyle | works great, using the micro version |
| 18:45.37 | kenjy | valdyn: userdel: gaper:x:1002:1000:,,,:/home/gaper:/bin/bash |
| 18:45.56 | kenjy | valdyn: yes its unique |
| 18:46.09 | mordy | nyle, but rather limited. would be cool if i were able to get a full OS on it, and perhaps let it load files from another computer over ethernet? |
| 18:46.21 | Nyle | mordy, try hackaday.com |
| 18:46.35 | Nyle | many router hacks, to add additional memory, serial ports soldering, etc. etc. |
| 18:47.04 | feitingen | that would be awesome, i own a WRT54GL too |
| 18:47.17 | Nyle | L model is linux compat |
| 18:47.20 | Gurax | hello all. I'm using Debian etch and I'm having some problems to start compiz. When I do compiz --replace the screen freezes, only the mouse moves. ctrl-alt-f1 and then back to f7 gives a black screen and only the mouse, which gets shadowed from the frame where the last active window was. Any suggestions? |
| 18:47.21 | Nyle | fully, hence the L |
| 18:47.37 | valdyn | Gurax: dont use compiz |
| 18:47.38 | Nyle | Gurax, you may also want to visit #compiz-fusion |
| 18:47.42 | mordy | nyle, unfortunately i've never soldiered anything :( |
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| 18:47.55 | Nyle | I've never soldiered anythign either |
| 18:47.58 | valdyn | Gurax: compiz is nowhere near complete |
| 18:48.07 | Nyle | I've only soldered stuff ;) |
| 18:48.08 | mordy | soldered |
| 18:48.16 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:48.17 | Nyle | j/k |
| 18:48.40 | Greyscale | when I do ssh someserver -l somedude, is there like a flag for passwords? |
| 18:48.42 | valdyn | Gurax: which gfx driver are you using btw? |
| 18:48.47 | mordy | gah, i can't find anything there for routers. maybe i'm looking for the wrong thing |
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| 18:48.57 | Nyle | maybe |
| 18:49.00 | valdyn | Greyscale: uh? |
| 18:49.05 | valdyn | Greyscale: a what? |
| 18:49.13 | Greyscale | a flag so I can specify a password |
| 18:49.14 | Nyle | http://www.hackaday.com/category/wireless-hacks/ |
| 18:49.25 | Greyscale | like ssh dickserv -l asshole -p fuckidol |
| 18:49.29 | Nyle | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/29/netgear-open-source-router/ |
| 18:49.32 | Nyle | mordy, ^^ |
| 18:49.34 | mordy | oh, so that's it |
| 18:49.38 | Nyle | indeed |
| 18:49.55 | Gurax | valdyn: Nyle: was just thinking it might be neat. I have my Quadro4 980 XGL setup properly |
| 18:50.33 | valdyn | Greyscale: its not there, probably intentionally |
| 18:50.35 | Nyle | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/03/26/cat-5-ethernet-serial-poe-to-your-wireless-router/ |
| 18:50.51 | Nyle | diff things you can do |
| 18:51.00 | naiv | anyone have Quark Express ? |
| 18:51.02 | valdyn | Greyscale: if you need automagic login, hardcoding password is the wrong way, use public key auth |
| 18:51.13 | Nyle | if you look throu, you will find many router hacks, join #netgear, and also ##hardware ##electronics |
| 18:51.16 | Gurax | driver "nvidia" |
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| 18:51.18 | Nyle | I'm in ##hardware |
| 18:51.29 | Nyle | also |
| 18:51.58 | Greyscale | valdyn, I'm just lazy and this ssh session takes forever to start. |
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| 18:52.09 | Greyscale | I don't want to forget, then get a connection reset. |
| 18:52.11 | mordy | nyle, but i guess the only way to add memory is to soldier more flash into the thing? |
| 18:52.21 | valdyn | Greyscale: you can use expect |
| 18:52.22 | mordy | oh well, i'll see what's in #hardware and #netgear |
| 18:52.29 | Greyscale | hm? |
| 18:52.43 | themill | Greyscale: that's what ssh keys are for |
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| 18:53.03 | Greyscale | themill, I don't know how to use 'e |
| 18:53.04 | Greyscale | 'em |
| 18:53.05 | Nyle | mordy, yeh im not much of a sofware guy. I do linux as a hobby since mid 90s |
| 18:53.17 | Nyle | mordy, I'm more into hardware hacking |
| 18:53.25 | mordy | oh, neat |
| 18:53.34 | mordy | hehe, i'm into everything. i've had to deal with it all :( |
| 18:53.47 | Nyle | I dropped comptuers and picked up music degree |
| 18:53.53 | Nyle | so... computers just a hobby for me i guess |
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| 18:54.00 | Nyle | i really wanna be a music professor |
| 18:54.01 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:54.26 | Nyle | mordy, #music too |
| 18:54.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 18:54.37 | mordy | hehe, i'm dropping linguistics and going back to computers |
| 18:54.49 | Nyle | we're being very ot |
| 18:54.50 | Greyscale | Fuck computational linguistics |
| 18:54.52 | Nyle | come to #music |
| 18:54.58 | Nyle | i'll show you some things |
| 18:55.01 | mordy | greyscale - not computational |
| 18:55.06 | valdyn | Greyscale: apt-cache show expect or man expect |
| 18:55.09 | mordy | meh, i'm not a music man - :( |
| 18:55.19 | Nyle | :( |
| 18:55.24 | Gurax | envies his next-desk colleague when he cocks up with compiz. And he has Ubuntu and he's a newcomer to linux and and... |
| 18:55.31 | mordy | nyle, i'm a cantor, not a musician |
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| 19:02.09 | rahul | unda |
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| 19:03.11 | zap | Is there some tool to easily generate self-signed certificates/keys in Debian? |
| 19:04.01 | Igneous | for ssl, right? |
| 19:04.17 | reisi | am i reading the debian-devel-announce that the lenny release is targeted to be in september 2008? |
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| 19:04.42 | zap | Igneous: sure |
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| 19:04.55 | Igneous | zap, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 perhaps |
| 19:06.00 | zap | the good'ol way, typing long cumbersome commands ;) |
| 19:06.14 | epoxy|w3rk | write a script. |
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| 19:06.26 | epoxy|w3rk | that is what they are for, no? |
| 19:06.46 | epoxy|w3rk | :) it would only take a few args and a few lines. no biggie |
| 19:06.54 | zap | I supposed there's already one, thats why I asked :) |
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| 19:07.36 | epoxy|w3rk | hehe, i think it would be faster to write a quick bash script then to even look it up on google and ponder threw the slush of crap. |
| 19:07.44 | themill | dpkg: tell zap about apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 19:08.06 | zap | "themill wants you to know: i heard apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present" |
| 19:08.15 | zap | you really want me to know this? :-) |
| 19:08.20 | themill | zap keep reaeding |
| 19:08.43 | epoxy|w3rk | reisi, cant find the posting :-/ |
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| 19:09.38 | zap | yes, I found make-ssl-cert but it's kind of extremely simple :) |
| 19:10.16 | Gurax | How can I change the default window manager when I login via gdm ? |
| 19:10.40 | zap | via the gdm menu :) |
| 19:11.20 | dude101 | zap: sessions at the GDM login window |
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| 19:11.45 | Gurax | zap: I'm trying to setup compiz. If that will not start proper, how can I revert using a command line? |
| 19:12.02 | Gurax | zap: I mean to get back to metacity ? |
| 19:12.10 | K350 | Hi, what package/s should I install if I want gtk2 but not the gnome desktop? |
| 19:12.15 | reisi | epoxy|w3rk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 19:12.39 | zap | Gurax: No idea |
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| 19:13.34 | reisi | epoxy|w3rk: sounds fantastic to me :) just the other day i was hoping debian would upgrade soon as we are upgrading our servers |
| 19:14.04 | epoxy|w3rk | reisi, true that. hopefully should have ff3 :) |
| 19:14.50 | reisi | epoxy|w3rk: well i'd like more recent kernel even more :) |
| 19:15.20 | vertigo | can anyone here guide me in the direction of some documentation that would help me with setting up a "transparent" gateway. I need a box on a local network to connect to the internet through a gateway i control. The problem is i dont need the standard LAN - Internet NAT connection, the box on the local net has a qualifyed internet ip that needs to be visible to the net and be the origin of traffic comming from said box |
| 19:15.51 | vertigo | maybe something with routing policies - but i wouldnt know where to start |
| 19:15.52 | reisi | vertigo: i guess the setup you are looking for is "bridge" |
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| 19:16.16 | vertigo | ok, how would i go about that? |
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| 19:16.39 | steven43126_ | vertigo: you don't need a bridge |
| 19:17.01 | steven43126_ | vertigo: you can just use iptables without nat all rules go in forwarding table :) |
| 19:17.04 | reisi | vertigo: google i guess.. setting up an dhcp to serve your bridge as the gateway (while not forcing ip's on anyone or using static ip's per MAC address) can be done with dhcp3-server |
| 19:17.27 | steven43126_ | vertigo: just make sure that the box is the gateway to the internet |
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| 19:17.54 | eitan | I'm having trouble with kedit... can anyone here help with that? |
| 19:18.05 | steven43126_ | vertigo: if you go the bridge route you don't get much control a bridge is only layer 2 |
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| 19:18.38 | steven43126_ | vertigo: infact it doesn't even need an ip address to work it's essentially just like a switch |
| 19:18.39 | reisi | steven43126_: doesn't the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward need to be set to 1 also? |
| 19:19.01 | steven43126_ | reisi: yes if you are going the iptables route |
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| 19:19.09 | themill | thanks, tomaw |
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| 19:19.30 | vertigo | ok, so i wouldnt even need to use op tables? |
| 19:19.57 | vertigo | i would imagine this (the gateway) to be like one of the many internet hops your packets go through to and from a server |
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| 19:20.29 | vertigo | *iptables |
| 19:20.56 | steven43126_ | vertigo: if you set it up as a bridge it will just blindly forward packets |
| 19:20.57 | irule | what is the famous sticky bit in UNIX permissions? |
| 19:21.11 | steven43126_ | vertigo: it will work exactly like an ethernet switch |
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| 19:21.37 | steven43126_ | vertigo: i would however reccomend using iptables rules in the FORWARD table as you have greater controll |
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| 19:22.03 | vertigo | ok i see your point. |
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| 19:23.17 | cr3rzemjest | does anybody use mpd&mpc? |
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| 19:23.56 | sha1 | if I download a linux-source package, is the default kernel config the same as the debian prebuilt kernel's config? like can I just make-kpkg and be done with it? |
| 19:23.56 | reisi | vertigo: once you have it set up could you write a summary of all you did on debian's wiki so that i can refer to it later on :) |
| 19:24.09 | cr3rzemjest | i mkdired .mpd/playlists and typed mpc --create-db (many filenames showed up) |
| 19:24.33 | cr3rzemjest | however, i cannot add any file to playlist |
| 19:25.06 | vertigo | im trying to get my head around this idea ... but sure, if i get some thing working. like i said i have been having trouble finding docs about how to do this |
| 19:25.44 | steven43126_ | vertigo: do you know how to set up a linux router ? |
| 19:25.49 | vertigo | steven, i would need to have the ip of the lan box setup on the gateway on the internet nic, correct? |
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| 19:26.08 | sha1 | vmware workstation is complaining that my kernel was built with a newer version of gcc than is installed, so I figured I could just recompile the kernel with my installed version and that would fix that problem, but the prebuilt kernel works so well (just having all modules and stuff). |
| 19:26.23 | vertigo | basicly, no i wouldnt say i would have the knowlegde |
| 19:26.50 | steven43126_ | vertigo: ok, do you have one public ip address ? or more than one you would like to use ? |
| 19:26.55 | vertigo | the only thing i know about linux routers would be the gui on my dd-wrt linksys i have here :) |
| 19:27.11 | vertigo | i have 7 total |
| 19:27.11 | valdyn | sha1: im sure the old compiler is available too in debian |
| 19:27.15 | steven43126_ | vertigo: it easy when u knw how as they say |
| 19:27.22 | sha1 | vertigo: dd-wrt is the reason I wish they sold the WRT54G still heh |
| 19:27.40 | sha1 | valdyn: the kernel that is installed was built with GCC 4.3.1 and I have 4.1.something. |
| 19:27.52 | steven43126_ | sha1: they do! |
| 19:28.02 | vertigo | that would be 7 machines on the LAN, that need to be have traffic routed through the gateway |
| 19:28.05 | steven43126_ | WRT54GL guess what the L is for :) |
| 19:28.50 | steven43126_ | vertigo: yup sorry i mean do they have public ip addresses ? |
| 19:28.54 | sha1 | so can I just make menuconfig, exit out and save the configuration, and build, and have the same configuration as my prebuilt kernel? |
| 19:29.14 | vertigo | yep. the 7 in question are public. |
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| 19:29.57 | vertigo | my host routes them to the machine that will be my gateway, it is my job from there on to get them to the boxes on the lan |
| 19:30.15 | sha1 | dd-wrt works great for bridging a neighbor's wifi LOL |
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| 19:30.39 | steven43126_ | vertigo: ok so your gateway will have one public ip say the one that your current router/dslmodem/whatever has now |
| 19:31.15 | vertigo | yes, it has one public ip |
| 19:31.22 | steven43126_ | all your internal machines will be set |
| 19:31.42 | steven43126_ | to have the default gateway as the new machine you are installing |
| 19:31.43 | vertigo | apart from that one, i have the 7 public ip's that i need to get attached |
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| 19:32.15 | vertigo | yep, they will be setup with their static ip's and the gateways ip as .. well, gateway :) |
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| 19:32.39 | vertigo | thinking about this, i should be looking at setting up routing and not forwarding... |
| 19:32.45 | steven43126_ | vertigo: on this machine enable ip_forwarding |
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| 19:33.00 | vertigo | but then again. i have no knowlegde about this :) |
| 19:33.04 | vertigo | ok |
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| 19:33.49 | steven43126_ | vertigo: then add a rule using iptables like iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:34.16 | vertigo | check |
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| 19:34.28 | steven43126_ | vertigo: and that will allow that box to then forward all the packets it recives to the internet |
| 19:34.39 | steven43126_ | problem solved |
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| 19:35.01 | vertigo | ok how about traffic from the internet to the box on the lan? |
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| 19:35.14 | vertigo | would i need to setup the public ip's on the gateway and then forward them? |
| 19:35.33 | steven43126_ | vertigo: no |
| 19:36.03 | steven43126_ | vertigo: just an iptables -t FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:36.03 | vasuvi | Is there any Debian equivalent to Ubuntu's build-essential package? i.e.: A virtual package that includes everything for normal C/C++ development |
| 19:36.22 | vertigo | ok, so a client on the net would still be able to reach the box on the lan though this method? |
| 19:36.32 | sha1 | vasuvi: yes, build-essential |
| 19:36.34 | sha1 | heh |
| 19:36.35 | steven43126_ | vertigo: yup |
| 19:36.39 | vertigo | nice. |
| 19:36.45 | steven43126_ | vertigo: the linux box is essentially a router |
| 19:36.57 | vasuvi | sha1: d'oh, I put an 's' on it, that's why it couldn't find it before ;) |
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| 19:36.58 | vertigo | yeah that was what i was thinking |
| 19:37.00 | sha1 | hehe |
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| 19:37.09 | vasuvi | sha1: thanks! |
| 19:37.11 | sha1 | np |
| 19:37.17 | vertigo | steven thanks alot for the help, i have some info to dive into now and work with |
| 19:37.31 | steven43126_ | vertigo: there is info on google |
| 19:37.39 | steven43126_ | vertigo: maybe not all in one place |
| 19:37.48 | vertigo | true, i just didnt know where to start |
| 19:37.52 | steven43126_ | vertigo: but you should be able to get examples of he comands u need |
| 19:38.13 | steven43126_ | vertigo: i can't stress how important a little diagram is to help with networking issues |
| 19:38.19 | steven43126_ | no matter how simple :) |
| 19:38.22 | vertigo | thanks for the push in the right direction then :) |
| 19:38.25 | AbsintheSyringe | anyone here using thinkfinger? |
| 19:38.37 | vertigo | yup.. planning is everything |
| 19:38.39 | sha1 | Cloud, Box-that-looks-like-router, Lightning in between |
| 19:38.40 | sha1 | lol |
| 19:39.03 | vertigo | i use UML alot, even if its just boxes on a white sheet of paper before i dive into making stuff |
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| 19:40.47 | epoxy|w3rk | vertigo, true that. it saves me many many hours of refactoring spidery code |
| 19:40.49 | cr3rzemjest | wow mpd rules! ^^ |
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| 19:44.38 | sha1 | is there a way to netinstall right into a lenny or sid installation, rather than having to change sources and do an upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 19:44.44 | webPragmatist | what's a decent place to store sh scripts that hold backup command run by cron |
| 19:45.04 | webPragmatist | commands* |
| 19:45.30 | sha1 | webPragmatist: what interval is it run at? |
| 19:45.41 | sha1 | webPragmatist: i.e. Daily, weekly, etc. |
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| 19:46.26 | webPragmatist | well it's at a custom time so i am running using crontab -e |
| 19:46.40 | webPragmatist | so i'm not sure i should put it in those cron directorys |
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| 19:46.51 | sha1 | k |
| 19:46.55 | steven43126_ | webPragmatist: /usr/local/bin ?? |
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| 19:48.41 | webPragmatist | is there some sort of website I can goto to explain the debian directory structures/ |
| 19:48.43 | jelly | webPragmatist: alternately, /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 19:50.49 | webPragmatist | ok i like that |
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| 19:52.47 | cr3rzemjest | hi, my mpd consumes ~15% CPU power, is it normal? |
| 19:53.14 | webPragmatist | is it ok to store backups of thinks like databases in /var/backups ? |
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| 19:53.20 | webPragmatist | things* |
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| 19:56.08 | Eulex | cr3rzemjest, playing what with what cpu? |
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| 19:56.34 | cr3rzemjest | Eulex, 2.8Ghz |
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| 19:59.01 | mordy | gah, is there anything that can help me diagnose why my graphics are so crappy? it's not supposed to be this way. X is using the correct drivers etc. |
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| 19:59.51 | Eulex | cr3rzemjest, shouldn't be a problem whatever you're playing then... or are you playing anything? |
| 20:00.23 | cr3rzemjest | Eulex, yes |
| 20:01.17 | opensrcguru | webPragmatist: http://oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/figs/deb.aa01.gif |
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| 20:02.20 | cchanc1 | guys for some reason everytime i use rmdir -fr directory it fail saying not empty how do i force it |
| 20:02.26 | opensrcguru | webPragmatist: feel free to put the kitchen sink in /var/backup if you wish ;) |
| 20:02.48 | webPragmatist | it doesn't seem to be documented as to what goes there |
| 20:03.12 | opensrcguru | webPragmatist: a shot in the dark....are you new to linux? |
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| 20:03.16 | themill | cchanc1: -rf aren't arguments to rmdir. man rmdir. (and perhaps try rm -rf instead...) |
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| 20:03.31 | webPragmatist | no i just fumble through where to put things normally |
| 20:04.35 | opensrcguru | webPragmatist: 'things' go wherever you deem it prudent. |
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| 20:04.59 | themill | except for the places you shouldn't put things |
| 20:05.03 | webPragmatist | but someone prudently made all these directories for a reason heh |
| 20:05.06 | opensrcguru | indeed |
| 20:05.39 | cchanc1 | would anyone like to do some test for me? |
| 20:05.54 | opensrcguru | webPragmatist: 'someone' may not think the same as someonelse, so do what you wish. just make sure you know the consequences. |
| 20:06.06 | opensrcguru | thats all im sayning. |
| 20:06.17 | opensrcguru | s/sayning/saying/ |
| 20:06.28 | themill | !debian system |
| 20:06.28 | dpkg | methinks debian system is The Debian System is a book written by debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's an excellent resource for learning about how un*x and in particular Debian systems run and how to look after them. Also ask me about <grounding>. http://debiansystem.info |
| 20:06.31 | cchanc1 | Does anyone have access to this: http://donnascreations.sytes.net/index.php it should give a joomla home page |
| 20:06.38 | mordy | if only there were a fast server from where i could get a debian live CD |
| 20:07.07 | opensrcguru | mordy: have you tried finding a torrent? |
| 20:07.10 | mordy | ccahnc1, works fine |
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| 20:07.19 | cchanc1 | mordy, slow? |
| 20:07.25 | mordy | opensrcguru - yes, i haven't found any - maybe i'm looking in the wrong places |
| 20:07.30 | mordy | cchanc1 - rather |
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| 20:07.36 | cchanc1 | ehh |
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| 20:07.43 | cchanc1 | not good |
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| 20:08.37 | mordy | opensrcguru - where can i find torrents for debian CDs? |
| 20:08.56 | opensrcguru | mordy: perhaps http://torrentz.com |
| 20:09.16 | n3kl | mordy: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 20:09.21 | mordy | cchanc1 - not like my connection is that great |
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| 20:09.33 | mordy | n3kl1, debian live isn't on debian.org, i don't think |
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| 20:10.02 | mordy | meh, 2 peers for debian live |
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| 20:10.47 | mordy | well, i'm not really yearning for a debian live CD, but maybe i can compare the error output |
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| 20:12.01 | mordy | i.e. the error output between the two x logs |
| 20:12.21 | mordy | doesn't anyone else use an intel 915GM here? |
| 20:12.37 | extor | Xerox-DocuPrint_4508-hpijs.ppd <--- How do I install this in lenny? Is this the only file I need? |
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| 20:14.34 | zyx386 | why the "msginit" dont work for me? :) |
| 20:15.14 | Eulex | zyx386, what error are you getting? |
| 20:15.29 | zyx386 | bash: msginit: command not found |
| 20:15.46 | Eulex | !tell zyx386 about search |
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| 20:16.06 | Eulex | but for this time, msginit is in the gettext package |
| 20:16.47 | zyx386 | Eulex, thanx isd not new for me, this finde nothing about that |
| 20:17.02 | Eulex | zyx386, did you try apt-file? |
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| 20:17.42 | Eulex | apt-cache search only searches package name and descriptions. not files they contain. |
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| 20:18.34 | kibibyte | hi |
| 20:18.35 | Kumool | hi... hmm how to erase a partition or a hdd? |
| 20:18.36 | zyx386 | he dont finde anything |
| 20:18.59 | Eulex | zyx386, did you run apt-file update? |
| 20:19.19 | zyx386 | 'yes |
| 20:19.27 | kibibyte | Kumool, fdisk |
| 20:19.35 | zyx386 | Eulex, bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 20:19.43 | Eulex | ... |
| 20:19.48 | Eulex | !installit |
| 20:19.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 20:20.09 | zyx386 | !? |
| 20:20.09 | Eulex | also, dpkg _did_ tell you how to install apt-file. |
| 20:20.41 | zyx386 | i can ask dpkg self , thanx |
| 20:20.54 | Kumool | ok thx kibibyte |
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| 20:22.53 | izzyb | I'm having trouble getting lprng to accept jobs from a remote machine. Can't even connect using telnet localhost 415. Getting telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused. |
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| 20:23.56 | izzyb | Any idea what I'm missing? I'm using lenny/sid if that helps to know |
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| 20:24.49 | gnumm | knoppix is a mix of debian testing/sid, what does this mean? |
| 20:24.59 | zyx386 | Eulex, Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 20:25.55 | izzyb | gnumm, I'm assuming that means it's based on debian sid. I thought they were based off redhat, but things could have changed |
| 20:26.05 | blizzow | Anyone know if there has been a security update for bind on Sarge? (yes, I know Sarge is deprecated) |
| 20:26.19 | jescis | was lenny/sid put out in 2007? or what version of Debian was used on the CD of the 2007 Linux Bible? |
| 20:26.27 | zyx386 | Eulex, i install that what you say, and still finde nothing |
| 20:26.30 | pickcoder | blizzow: I think security updates for Sarge stopped a while back |
| 20:26.47 | pickcoder | don't quote me on it, though |
| 20:26.52 | pickcoder | I don't keep up with oldstable |
| 20:27.07 | mordy | pickcoder - it was the proxy at the end. but i still can't figure out for the life of mine why it's slower :( |
| 20:27.08 | Eulex | zyx386, hmm, no idea then |
| 20:27.37 | zyx386 | ok thanx Eulex |
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| 20:27.57 | abrotman | blizzow: there are none |
| 20:28.02 | Eulex | zyx386, an alternative to apt-file is to use packages.debian.org to search for files inside packages |
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| 20:28.34 | Eulex | blizzow, and if you're running sarge, you should upgrade. |
| 20:28.35 | zyx386 | Eulex, http://paste.debian.net/12840/ |
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| 20:29.09 | izzyb | jescis, The next release of debian is codenamed lenny, so it isn't likely the version from 2007 Linux Bible |
| 20:29.28 | izzyb | I thought the next version was going to be called sid? |
| 20:29.30 | Eulex | zyx386, so apt-file works then. but you still need to actually install the package containing msginit. |
| 20:29.41 | Eulex | !tell izzyb about sid |
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| 20:31.22 | izzyb | jescis: This is the list of all releases if it helps -- http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 20:31.28 | zyx386 | Eulex, i know but which package have msginit :) |
| 20:31.39 | izzyb | Eulex, oh cool, so lenny is the current sid? |
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| 20:31.43 | abrotman | uh no |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | izzyb: maybe you should read the URL you just pointed jescis at |
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| 20:31.58 | izzyb | lol |
| 20:32.03 | abrotman | !lol |
| 20:32.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:32.27 | zyx386 | hah |
| 20:32.28 | pickcoder | throws LOLs at the factoid |
| 20:32.30 | izzyb | hah |
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| 20:34.09 | zyx386 | can anyone tell which package have 'msginit' i find not, or i'm to leazy |
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| 20:35.22 | Eulex | zyx386, apt-file just told you. |
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| 20:35.51 | Eulex | it's in the pastebin post you posted. |
| 20:35.52 | zyx386 | Eulex, u r the best, already say iam to leazy |
| 20:35.54 | nichos | hi all, I'm having problems installing DVD rip, it keeps saying i have unmet dependencies. I've following the directions at http://exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/install.cipp with no luck |
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| 20:37.27 | Eulex | nichos, what's the exact error message, and your sources.list? |
| 20:37.34 | Eulex | zyx386, yw |
| 20:37.37 | mordy | is there anywhere else i can check up on my graphics performance *besideS* my X log? |
| 20:37.58 | mordy | does mesa have its own logs, for instance? |
| 20:38.15 | Eulex | mordy, exactly what is slow? |
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| 20:38.27 | zyx386 | Eulex, thanx again, is solved and worked. |
| 20:38.31 | mactimes | Hello. |
| 20:38.44 | mordy | Eulex, when i switch windows, for example, you can see it redraw the other window |
| 20:38.47 | Eulex | zyx386, and I believe you learnt a tad at the same time |
| 20:38.59 | Eulex | mordy, using what window manager? |
| 20:39.12 | mordy | Eulex, either X or gnome |
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| 20:39.30 | nichos | Eulex, I tried deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main and the error I get is it depends on transcode and ffmpeg |
| 20:39.41 | Eulex | nichos, can you pastebin the error? |
| 20:39.51 | Eulex | mordy, umh, X isn't a window manager, do you perhaps mean twm? |
| 20:40.06 | mordy | eulex, i'm pretty new to this. i guess twm |
| 20:40.20 | nichos | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/d46ad4515 |
| 20:40.26 | mordy | but it affects the login screen as well, just about anything related to graphics |
| 20:40.33 | mactimes | I just screwed it up really bad now. root account is locked and I changed the sudoers file to allow a group, but forgot about creating the group. The problem is that the root partition is running under a md device. could someone, please, point me out directions to unlock root account or change the sudoers file? |
| 20:40.41 | Eulex | mordy, does it look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Twm.png |
| 20:41.22 | mactimes | btw: OS is Etch |
| 20:41.49 | izzyb | In case anyone else has my problem re lprng not accepting remote connections, It's because the debian release doesn't listen on any port by default. you have to specify the port in lpd.conf |
| 20:41.57 | izzyb | anyone want to add something about that to the bot? |
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| 20:42.20 | Eulex | nichos, what happens when you try to install ffmpeg or transcode manually? |
| 20:42.27 | mordy | hehe eulex, not like that - i'm using KDE |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | izzyb: if you read the docs .. that's mentioned .. no bot stuff needed |
| 20:42.47 | mordy | i was once stuck with TWM *shivers* |
| 20:42.49 | Eulex | mordy, ok. could we see your xorg.conf? |
| 20:42.59 | mordy | it's lenny, so it's pretty minimal |
| 20:43.02 | mordy | but one sec.. |
| 20:43.09 | kibibyte | ubuntuis cool |
| 20:43.10 | abrotman | mactimes: that wasn't very smart :) |
| 20:43.16 | abrotman | kibibyte: wrong channel |
| 20:43.20 | nichos | Eulex, http://pastebin.com/d71f9ce7 and it goes on from there:/ |
| 20:43.24 | kibibyte | why |
| 20:43.32 | kibibyte | ununtu is based on debian |
| 20:43.37 | abrotman | it's offtopic here |
| 20:43.39 | izzyb | abrotman, well, given that it seems to be non standard behaviour for a normal lprng install, where do you think I would find that information? |
| 20:43.49 | mactimes | abrotman: Yup. I just forgot about the group, because I was running the same task on several servers. |
| 20:43.50 | abrotman | izzyb: /usr/share/doc/<package-name> |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | mactimes: you could boot to single user mode maybe .. if not .. try the init=/bin/sh bit |
| 20:44.12 | mactimes | abrotman: forgot about creating the group on this single server. |
| 20:44.13 | Eulex | nichos, uh, can you do apt-cache policy libglib1.2 |
| 20:44.32 | mactimes | abrotman: Can't boot to single user, it asks for root password. |
| 20:44.35 | izzyb | I've been fighting a bug for hours trying to get something working using the docs for the app. It was only an after thought to see if debian was screwing things up |
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| 20:44.53 | abrotman | mactimes: init=/bin/sh |
| 20:45.03 | mactimes | abrotman: with the debian cd? |
| 20:45.03 | nichos | Eulex, here is the output: http://pastebin.com/m2ce2a066 |
| 20:45.03 | izzyb | abrotman, yeah, that's where I found the info. |
| 20:45.13 | abrotman | mactimes: /msg dpkg ifrp .. roughly the same procedure |
| 20:45.25 | mordy | eulex - http://paste.debian.net/12841/ - that's xorg.config followed by Xorg.0.log |
| 20:45.27 | abrotman | izzyb: right .. so why does the bot need anything about it? |
| 20:45.58 | Eulex | nichos, you've pretty much screwed up. it does not appear that you have apt sources for etch, and you only have apt sources for debian-multimedia. fix your sources.list. |
| 20:46.37 | mactimes | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 20:46.38 | izzyb | I just thought it might be useful. obviously RTFM is all that needs to be said. Is that your standard answer? |
| 20:46.38 | nichos | Eulex, my sources.list is pretty simple, please see: http://pastebin.com/m32f87d27 |
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| 20:47.11 | Eulex | nichos, uh, so why are you using debian-multimedia sources for etch when you're running lenny? |
| 20:47.50 | nichos | Eulex, because that was the latest one on the dvdrip site:) can I roll back to etch? |
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| 20:48.16 | Eulex | nichos, sorry? no, you can't downgrade debian. |
| 20:48.24 | bsulzer | hi ev'rybody |
| 20:48.38 | nichos | Eulex, what do to? Am I screwed? |
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| 20:48.45 | hifi | Eulex: you can't? |
| 20:48.57 | bsulzer | nichos seems so ;) |
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| 20:49.12 | Eulex | hifi, with enough blood and tears, you can. |
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| 20:49.25 | Eulex | but it's not exactly simple. |
| 20:49.26 | hifi | Eulex: thought about force pinning the release down |
| 20:49.54 | bsulzer | i've got a problem: my aptitude doesn't find the skype rpositories |
| 20:49.55 | Eulex | hifi, still, packages are not made for being downgraded. it's on your own risk, and stuff _will_ very likely break. and you get to keep the pieces. |
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| 20:50.33 | bsulzer | well, it says 404 not found |
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| 20:50.42 | hifi | Eulex: true, but technically it's possible :) |
| 20:50.44 | bsulzer | someone got an idea? |
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| 20:50.57 | Eulex | nichos, I'd suggest sticking with lenny, if that doesn't give too many problems. it's gonna become the new stable this fall (hopefully) anyway |
| 20:51.32 | nichos | Eulex, :) I guess I will. The whole point of this was to get some software that would rip & resize a dvd |
| 20:51.36 | Eulex | hifi, yes, but otherwise you'd like to instruct/babysit someone who is new to debian downgrading it, it is not possible :) |
| 20:51.51 | nichos | is there anything that does that in lenny? |
| 20:52.19 | bsulzer | nichos: doing what in lenny? |
| 20:52.21 | mactimes | abrotman: I'll give it a try. Once again, thank you. |
| 20:53.07 | kibibyte | http://www.pintprice.com/top10affordable.php |
| 20:54.03 | Eulex | kibibyte, so, does it run debian? |
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| 20:54.43 | kibibyte | yes debain was developed during beer drinking |
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| 20:55.11 | Eulex | !debain |
| 20:55.11 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 20:56.47 | trinux | !opensolaris |
| 20:57.02 | bsulzer | boys? whassup? |
| 20:57.06 | Eulex | !slowaris |
| 20:57.06 | dpkg | methinks slowaris is sun solaris on anything sun makes that costs less than unaffordable. proprietary software |
| 20:57.48 | cr3rzemjest | !wut |
| 20:57.49 | dpkg | i guess wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 20:57.54 | bsulzer | anyone knows how long the skype repositories are down? |
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| 20:58.10 | Eulex | bsulzer, ask the skype people? |
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| 20:58.31 | kibibyte | wut |
| 20:58.33 | kibibyte | lol |
| 20:58.48 | Eulex | kibibyte, have you got a debian question? |
| 20:59.01 | kibibyte | not yet and you |
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| 20:59.14 | abrotman | kibibyte: if you're just here to cause problems, please leave |
| 20:59.34 | kibibyte | im not |
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| 21:00.41 | bsulzer | eulex, the didn't answer. that's why i ask here :P |
| 21:01.30 | mordy | skype has repositories? for what? |
| 21:01.40 | mordy | skipux? |
| 21:01.56 | bsulzer | i don't know. |
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| 21:02.07 | abrotman | bsulzer: how the hell would we know .. go ask them and wait for an answer |
| 21:02.13 | jelly | bsulzer: the debian volunteers aren't likely to know anything about unrelated commercial software |
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| 21:03.10 | bsulzer | okokok, i just thaught someone could know.... sorry i asked |
| 21:03.47 | mordy | thaws |
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| 21:04.34 | izzyb | wow! people here are a little touchy |
| 21:04.57 | bsulzer | mordy: i thought that it only appears in the "installed deb-files database" (i don't remember how that thing's named) on my computer if it's installed by apt-get or aptitude. |
| 21:05.10 | abrotman | it's not in Debian, end of story |
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| 21:07.04 | mordy | !skype |
| 21:07.04 | dpkg | skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program and is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" |
| 21:08.23 | bsulzer | dpkg: thanks a lot, that's an answer i really appreciate. |
| 21:08.23 | dpkg | bsulzer: pas de quoi |
| 21:08.24 | Gurax | bsulzer: I'd try after a few hours again. you mentioned the repos are down. |
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| 21:09.18 | bsulzer | Gurax: it seems so. the normal debian repos i get, when i do an apt-get update |
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| 21:09.50 | LemensTS | I cant log on to cvs on sourceforge. I put my key in "my account" and the public key in putty, and log in, and put in my passphrase then it just closes putty...It has been 20 hours since i did the keypair too....any ideas? |
| 21:09.54 | jelly | bsulzer: if you really want it right away, you can try fetching it manually via the usual download web page |
| 21:10.30 | raavi | Can anybody help me to re-write my mtrr table, so X can be initialized after installing prop fglrx driver? |
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| 21:10.43 | bsulzer | jelly: i know. but there's the thing i meant about the "database" |
| 21:11.06 | bsulzer | jelly: doesn't that cause troubles, if it's not in there? |
| 21:11.24 | jelly | bsulzer: it's an expected error when a repo is down, no real harm done |
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| 21:12.45 | bsulzer | jelly: what error? |
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| 21:13.41 | jelly | bsulzer: the 404! |
| 21:13.55 | bsulzer | dpkg: what do you propose instead of skype? |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | bsulzer: no idea |
| 21:14.14 | stew | dpkg: what are you |
| 21:14.15 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 21:14.31 | LemensTS | dpkg: whats up |
| 21:14.31 | dpkg | nothing much mate, you ? |
| 21:14.51 | bsulzer | jelly: well, that's why assumed that the repos are down |
| 21:15.10 | bsulzer | jelly because of the 404 |
| 21:15.16 | LemensTS | How do i do dpkg privately? |
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| 21:15.35 | stew | LemensTS: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:15.43 | bsulzer | <infobot> |
| 21:15.53 | stew | bsulzer: /msg dpkg infobot |
| 21:15.54 | Eulex | !infobot |
| 21:15.55 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 21:16.05 | LemensTS | help |
| 21:16.13 | bsulzer | stew: thx |
| 21:17.36 | adama | I have a smb share mounted somehow... it's on my desktop and I can browse it from there... how do I browse in in a terminal? cd /something/... |
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| 21:18.08 | twobitwork | adama: type 'mount' to see where its mounted |
| 21:18.27 | kingsley | Is there a command like lspci, which lists all devices on serial ports? |
| 21:18.42 | adama | it doesn't show up in that output |
| 21:18.47 | bsulzer | adama: i think it's cd /<where you mounted it> |
| 21:18.51 | twobitwork | kingsley: I'm not sure if serial ports are equiped to provide information about what's connected to them... |
| 21:18.51 | Eulex | adama, then it's not mounted |
| 21:19.05 | Eulex | adama, are you browsing it through nautilus or konqueror? |
| 21:19.13 | adama | nautilus |
| 21:19.19 | stew | kingsley: there is lsusb, but there is not a standard protocol for rs232 type serial ports that would allow such a thing |
| 21:19.36 | Eulex | adama, then you're reaching it through gnomevfs. it's not mounted, and you cannot browse it through a terminal. |
| 21:20.10 | jescis | izzyb, sarge was out in 2k5 so that's the version on the CD for the Linux Bible book :) and thanks for the link. |
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| 21:20.23 | stew | adama: you could mount it, or perhaps use something like smbclient |
| 21:20.23 | jelly | bsulzer: the repo mentioned at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype#Installing%20Skype seems to work |
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| 21:21.09 | kingsley | OK, how does one identify which /dev/* a serial device is using? |
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| 21:22.11 | twobitwork | kingsley: well... the first serial port would be /dev/ttyS0 ... |
| 21:22.21 | twobitwork | are they not labeled on your box? |
| 21:22.23 | stew | kingsley: its currently in use? like in use by some program currenlty running? or you want to discover which it is attached to so you can start using it? |
| 21:22.27 | bsulzer | jelly: you mean this one: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free ? |
| 21:22.38 | jelly | yeah |
| 21:23.19 | kingsley | stew: I'd like to discover which it's attached to. |
| 21:23.39 | bsulzer | jelly: it works perhaps at your computer, not at mine |
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| 21:24.17 | stew | kingsley: if you know that "in dos it would be com1:" or some such, it would be easier to know. otherwise its going to be trial and error |
| 21:24.21 | Snadder | How can I set default paper size to A4?.. my printer dosnt work with anything else.. and I always keeps forgetting switching to A4 in all diffrent programs? |
| 21:24.22 | jelly | bsulzer: Right, but now you know it's not skype's problem, but yours or your ISP's |
| 21:24.30 | bsulzer | or is there anything wrong with my aptitude? |
| 21:24.39 | izzyb | jescis, ah, thanks for the info :) |
| 21:25.08 | twobitwork | Snadder: are you using cups? |
| 21:25.17 | bsulzer | jelly: thx. any following idea? |
| 21:25.22 | Snadder | twobitwork, yes |
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| 21:25.40 | Gurax | entering that  http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ in a browser showed me a welcoming "Hi, this page is off limits" |
| 21:25.42 | twobitwork | Snadder: doesn't cups have a configuration for that somewhere in the web interface? |
| 21:25.44 | jelly | bsulzer: disable any proxies if active |
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| 21:26.04 | twobitwork | Gurax: they could just limit directory indexing |
| 21:26.08 | jelly | Gurax: so they don't allow DirectoryIndex, that's not unusual |
| 21:26.17 | twobitwork | +twobitwork |
| 21:26.21 | twobitwork | :P |
| 21:26.26 | jelly | !win twobitwork |
| 21:26.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, twobitwork! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:26.30 | bsulzer | jelly: there aren't any |
| 21:26.31 | twobitwork | yay! |
| 21:26.53 | jelly | bsulzer: that's what you THINK, your ISP might be employing a transparent one |
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| 21:27.40 | jelly | bsulzer: anyway, that's my guess. aptitude update and aptitude -d install skype worked here, a package versioned 2.0.0.72-1 is downloaded |
| 21:27.41 | bsulzer | jelly: aha. |
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| 21:28.00 | Snadder | twobitwork, yes.. ive set the printers general settings "media size" to A4.. but in diffrent programs I get Letter or Custom as a choice instead of A4 |
| 21:28.10 | bsulzer | jelly: thanks a lot. now i know a little bit more. |
| 21:28.14 | Snadder | "media size" to A4 (in cups) |
| 21:28.26 | jelly | it looks like they build it for something strongly resembling etch, so I guess it'll work. Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.12), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libqt4-core (>= 4.2.1), libqt4-gui (>= 4.2.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxext6, libxss1, libxv1 |
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| 21:30.12 | Snadder | twobitwork, its kinda time consuming to choose A4 every time :-( |
| 21:30.51 | jelly | bsulzer: it being a single package, it's not hard to download it directly, dpkg -i .... and "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" to fix the dependencies |
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| 21:31.32 | jelly | bsulzer: the only thing a repo gets you is that you see new versions as they become availabe |
| 21:32.16 | kingsley | Stew & Twobitwork: I seem to have unearthered some useful information on serial devices in /var/log/messages. |
| 21:32.17 | bsulzer | jelly: would be very handy. so i'd like to do over repos whatever i can |
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| 21:33.13 | twobitwork | Snadder: I would assume that if you do in fact have cups set up properly that its a problem with the application(s) in question no respecting that or something |
| 21:33.31 | nyk2005 | I installed postgresql-contrib, but still do not have the pgstattuple function available. What can be wrong here? |
| 21:33.49 | bsulzer | jelly: but there should be no difference between the repo and the manual downloading, it's both port 80 (or am i wrong?) |
| 21:34.08 | Snadder | twobitwork, kinda strange.. cause its every application I know about |
| 21:34.32 | jelly | bsulzer: the url and files fetched are rather different |
| 21:34.38 | twobitwork | Snadder: not sure what else to tell you... maybe ask on a mailing list or something |
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| 21:35.04 | Snadder | twobitwork, ok.. but do you know a program that respects the cups paper settings? |
| 21:36.02 | jelly | bsulzer: http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb vs. Package and Release files for the repo and the deb from there too |
| 21:36.54 | bsulzer | jelly: wut? i don't get you |
| 21:37.16 | jelly | bsulzer: there IS difference between the repo and the manual downloading. |
| 21:37.26 | bsulzer | ok, and which one? |
| 21:37.40 | jelly | you're not getting from the same location at all! |
| 21:38.25 | bsulzer | clear. but what the hell does the proxy of my isp care about that? |
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| 21:38.35 | jelly | no idea, ask them |
| 21:39.44 | bsulzer | ok, i will. but therefor i need a little background information. for instance: what else is different as the location |
| 21:39.56 | jelly | bsulzer: there is another possibility, and that is that download.skype.com does not point to the same IP address for you and me |
| 21:40.02 | Gurax | From a desktop user's view, what's best to have as a print server? cups lp or anything else? 'best' as in a combination of printers supported, ease of use, good integration and detection with other aplications, etc. |
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| 21:41.06 | jelly | bsulzer: "dig +short download.skype.com" shows "download.g.skype.com. 204.9.165.82 204.9.165.83 212.72.53.130" here |
| 21:41.35 | jelly | bsulzer: in fact, it's quite possible that only some of skype's mirrors are broken |
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| 21:42.03 | bsulzer | dig +short download.skype.com <- terminal? |
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| 21:43.35 | jelly | bsulzer: yes. I'm going afk now, you'll have to discuss DNS issues with someone else |
| 21:43.58 | bsulzer | jelly, thx anyway. |
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| 21:45.23 | Gurax | bsulzer: could you find what you need here? http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/choose/ |
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| 21:45.45 | Gurax | bsulzer: the etch .deb file ? |
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| 21:47.20 | bsulzer | Gurax: yes, AFAIK i could find it there |
| 21:47.51 | Gurax | bsulzer: maybe that's all you need to install it manually |
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| 21:48.33 | bsulzer | Gurax: i know, but i'd like to find out what's wrong with the repo |
| 21:48.50 | bsulzer | or my computer, or my isp, or whatever |
| 21:49.54 | bsulzer | Gurax: perhaps it's a messy configuration of myself. if it is, i want to fix it |
| 21:50.22 | bsulzer | Gurax: or is that too ambitious? |
| 21:52.14 | bsulzer | shortly afk |
| 21:52.58 | Gurax | bsulzer: nope. but skype seems eager in redirects too. 204.9.165.83 and the others bring the download page when entered in browser url-address |
| 21:56.54 | nyk2005 | I installed postgresql-contrib, but still do not have the pgstattuple function available. What can be wrong here? |
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| 21:59.16 | bsulzer | Gurax: you're right. entered in browser: 130.117.72.43 -> page not found, after 1 second redirected |
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| 22:00.51 | Gurax | bsulzer: it could be purposefuly done though. to avoid directory listing and also forward you to where they've put the .deb file. |
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| 22:02.43 | DustyDingo | hm, i experience strange problems with a mount script |
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| 22:03.01 | newbie_ | hello |
| 22:03.07 | DustyDingo | i want to mount an encrypted luks partition with a small script executed with sudo |
| 22:03.23 | newbie_ | i need to access the internet on debian etch but i don't think i have the pppoe package installed |
| 22:03.27 | newbie_ | how do i install it ? |
| 22:03.59 | Greyscale | aptitude install pppoe? |
| 22:04.19 | newbie_ | only it ? lol |
| 22:04.29 | DustyDingo | it works, when login into the machine with ssh and do "sudo mymount.sh", but it fails when i do "ssh myhost mymount.sh" on the line with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdfoo/ foo" |
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| 22:04.50 | DustyDingo | any idears what i could check/try to make it work? |
| 22:05.03 | Eulex | dustybin, would the working directory be the same? |
| 22:05.26 | newbie_ | Greyscale: what if it doesn't work ? if it goes right what command do i make to configure the pppoe ? |
| 22:05.33 | Eulex | you could try specifying an exact path to foo |
| 22:05.54 | DustyDingo | Eulex: no, thats not the problem |
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| 22:06.04 | bsulzer | Gurax: what could be done? |
| 22:06.08 | DustyDingo | ah, got it, it acctually works, tho with some flaws |
| 22:06.41 | DustyDingo | the password prompt from cryptsetup doesn't get printed to the stdout |
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| 22:07.17 | DustyDingo | and when i type in the password it is also printed to stdout in plaintext :/ |
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| 22:08.58 | DustyDingo | anyway, it turned out to be a problem for #bash |
| 22:09.02 | Gurax | bsulzer: I can't tell. if you can't use the repo can anyone else use it, if you know ? |
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| 22:16.11 | bsulzer | Gurax: that's the problem, jelly could use the repo |
| 22:16.52 | Gurax | bsulzer: i see |
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| 22:18.16 | bsulzer | Gurax: that's why he suggested my isp could use a proxy |
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| 22:20.08 | Gurax | bsulzer: this location is off limits too. http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/ and it's different than that which redirects |
| 22:20.21 | Gurax | bsulzer: that was not found |
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| 22:24.45 | bsulzer | Gurax: i had only this one in my sources.list: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian |
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| 22:25.07 | bsulzer | but it neither works with deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists |
| 22:25.19 | Gurax | bsulzer: use this: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
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| 22:28.24 | mordy_ | can anyone help me with my intel? is there perhaps another channel that deals with graphics? |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | need more info |
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| 22:29.45 | bsulzer | Gurax: 404 |
| 22:30.09 | mordy_ | abrotman - it's just horribly choppy and slow. it shouldn't be like this. it wasn't like this on windows. i've googled for this issue and found absolutely nothing. i'd post an error message if i could, but things seem to be normal. nevertheless, here is xorg.conf + Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/12841/ |
| 22:31.29 | Gurax | bsulzer: odd. for me it works. it just says it can't be authentcated |
| 22:32.38 | themill | works for me too. bsulzer, do you have a proxy in the way? |
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| 22:32.55 | mordy_ | well, that - and also xorg and metacity take up almost 70% cpu at times |
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| 22:37.41 | mordy_ | here, i just switched to a different tab on xchat, and xorg jumps to 30% |
| 22:38.37 | cchanc1 | What are the default values for apache's www directory |
| 22:39.35 | cchanc1 | hello? |
| 22:39.45 | AbortRetryFail | cchanc1: check it's config file |
| 22:40.09 | cchanc1 | umm |
| 22:40.13 | cchanc1 | that woulden tell it |
| 22:40.45 | AbortRetryFail | you mean what it defualts to with nothing set up in the config file? |
| 22:40.53 | cchanc1 | no |
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| 22:40.54 | themill | cchanc1: drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 2008-07-20 23:33 /var/www/ |
| 22:41.05 | cchanc1 | its not data-www? |
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| 22:41.42 | themill | not by default. (and it's www-data). You don't normally want the web server process to be able to scribble all over your files. |
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| 22:44.14 | pocnytuh | any e17 user around? |
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| 22:45.25 | abrotman | pocnytuh: it's not in debian .. not likely |
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| 22:46.24 | pocnytuh | well I've got a question related to the debian e17 packages (yes they're not in the std repos), but I felt I could find some user/maintainer around here. |
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| 22:47.40 | abrotman | pocnytuh: and his name is? |
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| 22:48.23 | bsulzer | Gurax: i can't tell |
| 22:48.33 | bsulzer | Gurax: perhaps my isp |
| 22:48.41 | pocnytuh | well I'll let him/her/them identify themselves. |
| 22:48.47 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 22:48.50 | abrotman | it's in the package information |
| 22:49.06 | abrotman | i doubt they're here |
| 22:49.13 | pocnytuh | Ah good old defensive/conservative debian channel. |
| 22:49.36 | abrotman | okay .. then wait for the next year .. they likely still won't show up |
| 22:50.33 | pocnytuh | Well if there's no e17 user beside me I'll just mail the maintainer. |
| 22:50.42 | abrotman | good plan |
| 22:51.50 | odla | pocnytuh, what's your question about e17 anyways ... i tried the packages here -> http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ |
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| 22:53.45 | pocnytuh | odla: I'm switching from the cvs install to the sid packages and upon loading e, I get a symbol lookup error (of course, by precaution, I removed my ~/.e and also tried purging the faulty lib directory (evas) before installing) |
| 22:54.18 | Eulex | pocnytuh, sounds like a packaging error. |
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| 22:54.34 | bsulzer | themill: i suppose no, but i'm not 100% sure |
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| 22:57.29 | abrotman | Eulex: dep problem? |
| 22:57.29 | pocnytuh | olda: I'll check my repos if I'm installing from the one you mentioned. |
| 22:57.29 | cchanc1 | chown -r www-data /var/www |
| 22:57.32 | cchanc1 | should taht work? |
| 22:57.41 | themill | cchanc1: you probably don't want to do that. |
| 22:57.47 | cchanc1 | well |
| 22:57.50 | abrotman | i've seen worse :) |
| 22:57.59 | cchanc1 | my scripts are not able to write or create directories |
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| 22:58.15 | cchanc1 | joomla especialy |
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| 23:00.05 | Eulex | abrotman, perhaps. |
| 23:01.16 | mordy_ | is there a way to see if my hardware rendering is doing anything? |
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| 23:07.36 | inigo | hello |
| 23:07.58 | inigo | how can I avoid the "kernel version" message on every ssh login ? |
| 23:09.00 | inigo | I use "PrintLastLog no" and "PrintMotd no", but i see the line whit the kernel version always |
| 23:09.51 | enouf | mordy_: context might help |
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| 23:11.49 | mordy_ | enouf - graphics are slow and choppy. the relevant X files are here: http://paste.debian.net/12841/ but things seem normal. so i'm wondering if there's something else not working which the log didn't pick up. or maybe something which another log picked up |
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| 23:12.11 | inigo | mmm i see my problem is on /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 23:12.35 | AbortRetryFail | somehow i think my new debian box's fqdn didn't get set right in the installer |
| 23:12.47 | DustyDingo | is there a way to limit the bandwith of an ssh client? |
| 23:12.48 | AbortRetryFail | can i just change it in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname to fix that? |
| 23:14.07 | enouf | mordy_: well, the pastebin is timing out here - and i'll look at your files eventually - and haven't you been at this now for weeks? |
| 23:14.42 | mordy_ | enouf :( for the past week on and off. i've had other problems that have prevented me from concentrating on this. but i've searched constantly |
| 23:15.34 | AbortRetryFail | anybody? i figured that was something basic... |
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| 23:16.46 | izzyb | AbortRetryFail, I think thats it, but you might want to try grep -r badhostname /etc |
| 23:17.06 | Gurax | DustyDingo: you could try to shape the traffic of port 22 in input and output chains. I think there are techniques using the tc utility to do that |
| 23:17.08 | colby | if you change /etc/hostname, you can hostname -F /etc/hostname or reboot to update it in the running system (though some services may require a restart if they use the hostname for anything) |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | !mailname |
| 23:17.12 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:17.32 | trinux | why is E17 not in the official repos btw? |
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| 23:18.04 | AbortRetryFail | k cool that did the trick thanks :) |
| 23:18.19 | DustyDingo | Gurax: thats somehow one of the last things i want to try |
| 23:18.26 | izzyb | AbortRetryFail, was that the only places to change it? |
| 23:19.00 | DustyDingo | scp with bandwith limit, rsync over ssh with bandwith limit, unison over ssh, no chance |
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| 23:19.19 | DustyDingo | *width |
| 23:19.25 | AbortRetryFail | yeah /etc/hosts /etc/mailname |
| 23:19.29 | AbortRetryFail | and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:19.42 | izzyb | oh, yeah. forgot about that one |
| 23:19.43 | izzyb | :) |
| 23:19.59 | AbortRetryFail | needs 'domain my.domain.here' |
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| 23:20.45 | Gurax | DustyDingo: i can't think anything else for it. it looks ugly indeed |
| 23:21.02 | AbortRetryFail | now i've just got to figure out why i cant join this puppy to AD. |
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| 23:23.57 | LemensTS | AbortRetryFail: what are you trying to join to AD |
| 23:24.17 | mordy_ | gah, stupid paste site |
| 23:24.18 | mordy_ | !paste |
| 23:24.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:24.24 | s3a | i get a problem about adding a key when trying to install thru terminal, please help! terminal output--> http://pastebin.com/d12ca9f0a |
| 23:24.30 | itguru | Has thepiratebay.org finally been taking down?? I'm looking for a live cd, and I was hoping it's there :( I can't connect to the website :( |
| 23:24.36 | abrotman | trinux: what's stopping you? :) |
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| 23:24.42 | AbortRetryFail | LemensTS: this debian box. |
| 23:24.49 | abrotman | itguru: liveCD? it has an HTTP download |
| 23:24.53 | Corwin | I was at piratebay this morning... |
| 23:24.55 | lindenle | an anyone play the daily show episodes from the weh site in firefox? |
| 23:24.57 | AbortRetryFail | i've got samba installed and kerberos too |
| 23:25.00 | AbortRetryFail | kinit works |
| 23:25.05 | mordy_ | enouf - here http://rafb.net/p/jRXp8H58.html |
| 23:25.29 | itguru | abrotman, a debian derivative live cd |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | AbortRetryFail: tried #samba |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | itguru: then why are you asking here? |
| 23:25.39 | LemensTS | AbortRetryFail: is it etch? |
| 23:25.39 | AbortRetryFail | not yet. |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | lindenle: URL ? |
| 23:25.45 | AbortRetryFail | LemensTS: yes etc. |
| 23:25.45 | s3a | itguru: i just checked and its not working either :(..u can use mininova, isohunt too |
| 23:25.49 | itguru | abrotman, .... ummmmmm ... err... got call! |
| 23:25.51 | AbortRetryFail | :s/etc\./etch |
| 23:26.04 | itguru | s3a, Thanks for checking, at least i know it's not me |
| 23:26.06 | lindenle | abrotman:http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml |
| 23:26.11 | lindenle | player starts but then nothing |
| 23:26.14 | mordy_ | itguru - i've been lookign for a live CD as well, but there's nothing anywhere |
| 23:26.24 | s3a | itguru: and debian doesnt have a live cd installer, i dont think |
| 23:26.30 | abrotman | lindenle: show has been canceled ? :) |
| 23:26.42 | trinux | abrotman: stopping me regarding E17? is the package enlightenment in etch E17? :) |
| 23:26.43 | mordy_ | not only in piratebay - most torrent search engines use more or less the same database anyway. i guess there just aren't many people sharing it |
| 23:26.44 | enouf | mordy_: yeah - i kept trying - couldn't get through - i could ping paste.debian.net and/or it's IP and could traceroute it too successfully, but it's broken |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | trinux: nope .. i can't find any bugs or WNPP bugs talking about e17 .. guess no one wants it |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | lindenle: works perfectly fine here |
| 23:27.31 | lindenle | abrotman: oops I meant full episodes... http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=177431 |
| 23:28.00 | trinux | abrotman: i am just curious. cause according to http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/99-Enlightenment-17-Review.html it sounds nice and i would like to try it |
| 23:28.00 | mordy_ | prefers the colbert report anyway |
| 23:28.26 | trinux | but that article is 3 years old so nobody knows :) |
| 23:28.32 | abrotman | trinux: supposedly it is .. you can try elive if you want to see it (support in #elive) |
| 23:28.38 | abrotman | lindenle: yep .. works |
| 23:28.44 | trinux | abrotman: cool thanks |
| 23:28.45 | lindenle | hmm.... |
| 23:28.55 | lindenle | abrotman what flkash etc do you have |
| 23:28.59 | lindenle | flash |
| 23:29.15 | abrotman | lindenle: the one from adobe.com .. or close to it .. i updated a few weeks ago |
| 23:29.30 | lindenle | ah ok |
| 23:29.34 | lindenle | maybe I should check |
| 23:29.44 | AbortRetryFail | cool i got it :) |
| 23:29.54 | s3a | can sum1 plz help me with my terminal program cuz i cant apt get things :'( -->http://pastebin.com/d67ad1858 |
| 23:30.00 | s3a | problem* |
| 23:30.03 | abrotman | lindenle: the version test says i'm a bit out of date |
| 23:30.03 | s3a | not program |
| 23:30.07 | enouf | ?? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=enlightenment;dist=etch |
| 23:30.42 | lindenle | abrotoman I have the very latest and it does not work for mw |
| 23:30.43 | lindenle | me |
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| 23:31.17 | abrotman | that's a new variation :) |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | lindenle: you want me to update? you have .124 or whatever ? |
| 23:31.46 | abrotman | lindenle: oh wait .. one browser is up to date .. FF isn't |
| 23:31.46 | lindenle | or I can roll back |
| 23:31.48 | abrotman | erm .. IW |
| 23:31.49 | abrotman | moment |
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| 23:32.05 | enouf | mordy_: not sure how new X works, but yuour /etc/X11/xorg.conf is missing all the Section "Modules" and all the things it lists; Load "bitmap" for one |
| 23:32.05 | s3a | does debian also have that 15 min expiration of root privileges if u dont do anything root like ubuntu? |
| 23:32.17 | mordy_ | enouf - it's lenny |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | lindenle: let me try again |
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| 23:32.42 | mordy_ | yeah, maybe i should just copy/paste something from some configuration file |
| 23:33.10 | Gurax | s3a: you mean when you do "sudo bash" ? |
| 23:33.12 | abrotman | lindenle: nope .. still works .. i am on lenny if that matters |
| 23:33.28 | lindenle | no idea |
| 23:33.30 | s3a | Gurax: i dont use sudo i use su, is it still the same? |
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| 23:33.52 | AbortRetryFail | its not the same s3a |
| 23:33.53 | Gurax | s3a: more or less yes |
| 23:34.05 | Gurax | depends what you do |
| 23:34.29 | s3a | AbortRetryFail: whats so different then? |
| 23:34.35 | AbortRetryFail | not much :) |
| 23:34.37 | enouf | mordy_: well, i see many of them now in your Xorg.0.log - search for "LoadModule:" |
| 23:34.43 | mordy_ | yeah |
| 23:34.44 | AbortRetryFail | su -c works about the same as sudo |
| 23:34.54 | AbortRetryFail | but su - creates a login shell |
| 23:35.13 | s3a | im confused :( |
| 23:35.29 | AbortRetryFail | sorry :/ |
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| 23:36.09 | lindenle | abrotman: I wonder what the best way to isolate the problem is |
| 23:36.18 | lindenle | abrotman: I am running lenny + sid |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | lindenle: try another browser ? |
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| 23:36.35 | lindenle | like? |
| 23:36.49 | abrotman | gnome or kde ? |
| 23:37.07 | s3a | can sum1 plz help me with my terminal, wen i try to apt-get things it doesnt work --> http://pastebin.com/d67ad1858 |
| 23:38.11 | enouf | mordy_: what does glxinfo | grep -i Direct say? |
| 23:38.43 | lindenle | abrotmn: no player even in konq what is gnome browser? |
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| 23:39.17 | mordy_ | enouf - "Yes" :( |
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| 23:39.22 | abrotman | epiphany |
| 23:39.29 | mordy_ | was kinda hoping it would say "No" :( |
| 23:39.35 | enouf | haha |
| 23:39.38 | enouf | mine says no |
| 23:39.42 | BB|AtWork | s3a apt-get update |
| 23:39.46 | enouf | and it's still fine :-P |
| 23:39.49 | mordy_ | yeah |
| 23:39.53 | abrotman | s3a: wtf is secure-testing.net ? |
| 23:40.05 | mordy_ | i wish i knew where the problem resides. could it be something CPU-related? |
| 23:40.09 | enouf | mordy_: slap a 9600GTX in that puppy :-P |
| 23:40.09 | BB|AtWork | oh |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | s3a: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:40.20 | Gurax | s3a: it looks more like a GPG error from the repositories and not a terminal problem. and your cpu tends to overheat too as it seems |
| 23:40.24 | mordy_ | enouf, this thing is mroe the size of a maggot than a puppy |
| 23:40.34 | enouf | ahh |
| 23:40.41 | mordy_ | enouf, it's probably the lightest fully functional computer in existence |
| 23:40.41 | enouf | pipe it :-P |
| 23:40.53 | enouf | what is it? |
| 23:40.53 | s3a | Gurax: YA OMG MY CPU IS SOOOO ANOYING BUT MY PROBLEM IS SOLVED WHEN I DONT ENABLE HYPERTHREADING, anyway im planning to get a quad core next year :D |
| 23:40.57 | enouf | Airbook? |
| 23:40.59 | s3a | Gurax: 8 gb ram too :D |
| 23:41.06 | mordy_ | enouf - sony vgn tx 750 |
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| 23:41.38 | enouf | what's that? hrmm .. well Sony will disable crap the hardware can do - and not tell you |
| 23:41.45 | mordy_ | enouf - if you take out everything besides the HDD processor and RAM and ethernet you've got about a 1.5 pounder |
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| 23:41.55 | mordy_ | well, it works on windoze |
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| 23:42.32 | enouf | Like for ex; a friend had a Hardware VT capable CPU. but Sony disabled it in the BIOS .. no on/off either .. so he had to Hack the actuall BIOS and ACPI tables, lmao |
| 23:42.40 | Gurax | s3a: I can get away with 64M xen machines. but that's some hardware you mention there |
| 23:42.55 | mordy_ | VT? |
| 23:43.19 | enouf | Virtual Tech -- Hardware VMs |
| 23:43.29 | mordy_ | sony offers a horrible bios, but i wouldn't mind hacking the bios. this machine is falling apart anyway :( |
| 23:43.47 | s3a | Gurax: ya well next year it will be super cheap thx to intels new architecture coming |
| 23:44.03 | s3a | abrotman: Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved error in pastebin other text works fine i tested, wats wrong?? |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | tripped ? |
| 23:44.17 | abrotman | s3a: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:44.27 | abrotman | that tripped a spam filter ? |
| 23:44.30 | mordy_ | enouf, i wouldn't mind replacing it with a better bios, but i don't know where to obtain them. and again, google hasn't been very kind |
| 23:44.54 | s3a | abrotman: ya i tried to paste it in pastebin but it gave me that error? |
| 23:44.57 | mordy_ | i just got a crappy MSI wind, but the bios is great |
| 23:45.10 | abrotman | s3a: paste in #flood |
| 23:45.23 | s3a | abrotman: u dont want in a 1 on 1 channel? |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | s3a: and don't msg without asking first |
| 23:45.29 | abrotman | s3a: no .. i do not |
| 23:45.44 | enouf | mordy_: what works on windows? |
| 23:45.45 | s3a | abrotman: o, ok sry so channel #flood? |
| 23:45.50 | abrotman | yes |
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| 23:46.07 | mordy_ | enouf - graphics work fine there. no performance problems, no gnawing at CPU |
| 23:46.24 | enouf | mordy_: graphics? |
| 23:46.31 | enouf | like what? |
| 23:46.40 | lindenle | abrotman: no luck in either case... |
| 23:47.09 | mordy_ | enouf, i don't know how else to describe it. in linux when i switch windows, when i do anything that involves the slightest and most menial task of redrawing something, you can see it happen |
| 23:47.16 | abrotman | wow .. i haven't been in #flood since january |
| 23:47.45 | mordy_ | enouf - for example i have a few channels on IRC. when i switch tabs on xchat, X jumps to 30% CPU |
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| 23:47.59 | enouf | mordy_: it's not as responsive? or it does respond quickly but then slows until completion? |
| 23:48.20 | mordy_ | enouf, the latter |
| 23:48.24 | enouf | mordy_: you actually watch X jump? why would you? you can't do that with Windows |
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| 23:48.56 | enouf | mordy_: i mean, i can see what you mean though - it's not redrawing/rendering fast |
| 23:49.38 | mordy_ | enouf - in windoze you can watch it too :D |
| 23:49.51 | mordy_ | of course, ti wouldn't be called "X" but "explorer" |
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| 23:50.01 | enouf | i mean X spiking temp to 30% might mean something or might not |
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| 23:50.06 | abrotman | where did he go ? |
| 23:50.12 | enouf | mordy_: NO you can;t in windows |
| 23:50.20 | avu | mordy_, no it wouldn't. |
| 23:50.39 | enouf | the GUI systems are entirely non-comparable in that regard |
| 23:50.46 | avu | mordy_, explorer.exe does not do the drawing like X does on debian |
| 23:50.50 | mordy_ | enouf - next time you're on a windoze machine try to minimize/maximize a window as quickly as you can, and you'll see "explorer.exe" jump |
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| 23:51.17 | enouf | Explorer doesnt use sockets and also is tied in directly to the kernel - X is not, last i looked |
| 23:51.34 | mordy_ | hehe ok. you win |
| 23:51.34 | avu | enouf, no it isn't. |
| 23:51.46 | enouf | mordy_: i understand what you mean - but do you understand what i mean? |
| 23:51.50 | mordy_ | enouf, yes |
| 23:51.59 | enouf | ok |
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| 23:52.22 | enouf | !^five avu |
| 23:52.35 | enouf | dpkg: get jiggy with it |
| 23:52.35 | dpkg | enouf: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:52.40 | mordy_ | lol |
| 23:52.47 | enouf | ;-P |
| 23:53.46 | enouf | mordy_: .. ya know .. i want to tell you to compile kernels and play with cpu HZ and preemption settings .. but see, i'm not sure that's the correct place to be looking |
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| 23:54.38 | mordy_ | enouf, i wouldn't mind looking into any of that, but i'm wondering if there's anything else i can monitor - |
| 23:54.38 | Pavlz | hello |
| 23:54.55 | Pavlz | i got problems with http://debian.org |
| 23:54.58 | mordy_ | enouf - if there's a tool to change something, there should be an equivalent tool to monitor it as well |
| 23:55.05 | mordy_ | !problems |
| 23:55.06 | dpkg | If you have any _specific_ problems and probably use debian, you can just ask. But if you do not know how to edit a file, have no clue where documentation is kept, or is clueless about linux... you're shit out of luck. |
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| 23:55.28 | Pavlz | it's unable to download cd iso images from http-ftp |
| 23:55.59 | Pavlz | i am able, but the system say that is not possible why ? |
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| 23:56.21 | Pavlz | jpc hello |
| 23:56.41 | jpc | Pavlz; hi. |
| 23:56.41 | enouf | mordy_: do you really want to try and do X and application debugging? |
| 23:56.58 | mordy_ | enouf, i'd want to do it eventually |
| 23:57.39 | enouf | mordy_: you're a better man than i ;-P |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | Pavlz: that doesn't make sense .. what's the actual error ? |
| 23:57.55 | mordy_ | although to be honest i'd rather focus on something else than X, if i'm going to dissect something |
| 23:58.20 | enouf | mordy_: do me a favor, which applications are you using, and are you using a DE? |
| 23:58.26 | enouf | mordy_: like gnome/kdE? |
| 23:58.54 | mordy_ | yeah |
| 23:59.18 | Pavlz | the system has problems to download from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ why ? |
| 23:59.20 | mordy_ | enouf - same problem exists in both gnome and KDE |
| 23:59.21 | enouf | mordy_: install a real lightweight browser like links2 , fire it up with xlinks2 or links2 -g and just see if it' |
| 23:59.26 | enouf | it's snappy |
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| 23:59.52 | mordy_ | enouf, or i can just use TWM :| |
| 23:59.58 | mordy_ | apt-get install links2? |
