| 00:00.39 | fork4childs | hi, does someone have some experience with gnome-themes? i dont know how to change them.... cant find the gnome-themes-manager |
| 00:00.54 | Nyle | fork4childs, try gnome-control-center |
| 00:01.00 | Nyle | it should be in there |
| 00:01.29 | Nyle | childs is wrong |
| 00:01.34 | Nyle | its children btw |
| 00:01.40 | Nyle | or child. |
| 00:01.46 | cafuego | child's |
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| 00:01.56 | Nyle | still its wrong |
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| 00:02.05 | cafuego | Though if people weren't stupid and didn't breed we wouldn't have this discussion |
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| 00:02.12 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:02.17 | cafuego | PLUS the world would be a quieter, calmer place |
| 00:02.21 | Nyle | sadly, stupid prople procreate more than the smart ones |
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| 00:02.26 | fork4childs | ok ok .. next time i change it to child |
| 00:03.11 | mordy_ | what's the driver name for the free radeon driver? i.e. what do i put in xorg.conf? |
| 00:03.17 | Nyle | radeon |
| 00:03.27 | Nyle | you shouldn't need to put anything in xorg.conf |
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| 00:03.48 | mordy_ | nyle - i tried using vesa - which works - 'radeon' gives me the same problems i've been having all along |
| 00:03.50 | greeg_ | hi |
| 00:03.51 | BrahmsC | is apache configured by default to be run as a intranet server ? |
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| 00:03.55 | yepla | hi |
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| 00:04.03 | Nyle | BrahmsC, yes |
| 00:04.14 | teratoma_ | 2.6.20 without upgrading to testing ? |
| 00:04.16 | Nyle | BrahmsC, you have to configure for outside your lan |
| 00:04.18 | cafuego | BrahmsC: apache doesn't care what it rusn at, it just listens on port, 80 on all IPs and interfaces. |
| 00:04.26 | yepla | i have buy msi wind i try to install the webcam (sound and network ok but not implemented yet) |
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| 00:04.31 | greeg_ | can you folks verify if my web server is reachable? im not sure if my ISP blocks port 80 or not. http://70.44.74.127/stuff |
| 00:04.31 | Nyle | cafuego, fqdn settings |
| 00:04.46 | mordy_ | well, the reason i want the radeon drivers is because i'm limited to a 1024x768 with vesa |
| 00:04.48 | BrahmsC | i have to run it ONLY on the intranet |
| 00:04.51 | Nyle | it works |
| 00:04.52 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:04.58 | Nyle | this kid likes george carlin |
| 00:04.59 | yepla | someone have succefuly installed the webcam ? |
| 00:05.04 | cafuego | BrahmsC: edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 00:05.11 | greeg_ | Nyle: can you see my web server ? |
| 00:05.16 | Nyle | no |
| 00:05.21 | cafuego | BrahmsC: And change Listen 80 to Listen intranet.ip:80 |
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| 00:05.26 | Nyle | I cannot see that you have a george carlin pdf file there |
| 00:05.28 | Nyle | I can't see it |
| 00:05.41 | Nyle | I also can't see your picture of a kilt |
| 00:05.55 | greeg_ | thats me Bashing Korn on youtube |
| 00:05.56 | BrahmsC | cafuego: where intranet.ip is the client ip address ? |
| 00:06.00 | greeg_ | thanx |
| 00:06.11 | Nyle | George Carlin - When Will Jesus Bring The Pork Chops v1.2.pdf |
| 00:06.22 | Nyle | im getting that one |
| 00:06.24 | Nyle | hope you don't mind |
| 00:06.35 | BrahmsC | should have asked that on apache, sorry :\ |
| 00:06.38 | cafuego | BrahmsC: No, the server's internet address |
| 00:06.41 | Nyle | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch11 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at 70.44.74.127 Port 80 |
| 00:06.47 | Nyle | look at how much ifnormation you're giving out |
| 00:06.51 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:06.53 | cafuego | BrahmsC: inTRA net sorry :-) |
| 00:06.55 | teratoma_ | where's that debian irc network ? |
| 00:07.09 | Nyle | irc.debian.org |
| 00:07.15 | Nyle | irc.oftc.net actually |
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| 00:08.25 | cafuego | Do you think he yotube comment system would shrink by more than half if all comments inappropriately using "gay" were deleted from it? |
| 00:08.53 | Nyle | probably |
| 00:09.04 | jelly-home | gay... |
| 00:09.21 | cafuego | needs coffee |
| 00:09.35 | themill | !coffee cafuego |
| 00:09.36 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Colombian for cafuego, courtesy of themill |
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| 00:11.06 | mordy_ | anyone else here using a radeon card? |
| 00:11.07 | BrahmsC | cafuego: thank you |
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| 00:11.30 | mordy_ | x just gives me a blue screen when i use their radeon driver |
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| 00:12.11 | Nyle | #radeon |
| 00:12.44 | mordy_ | oh |
| 00:12.56 | cafuego | BrahmsC: np |
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| 00:13.39 | cafuego | or rather, buy nvidia? ;-) |
| 00:14.37 | mordy_ | cafeugo - if you're talking to me - it's a laptop - and one whose display i don't plan to use much. i just want things to work as they should though |
| 00:15.11 | gravity | wols: For which drivers? |
| 00:15.48 | gravity | themill: drxx wouldn't work for resolution any more anyway, we'd have had to rewrite that. |
| 00:16.14 | Nyle | what are you doing to Xorg? |
| 00:16.38 | cafuego | mordy_: Yeah, that's the problem with ATI and Linux. |
| 00:17.06 | themill | gravity: ahh... it's a common enough problem that we're seeing. And telling people just to use xrandr (or similar) after they have logged in is a poor hack at best and might leave them with a garbled login screen at worst. |
| 00:17.14 | amphi | my old radeon 7500 worked very nicely with the xorg driver |
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| 00:17.37 | gravity | themill: They can ostensibly set it in xorg.conf still. Realistically, some of it is out of debian's control and is reliant on upstream changes |
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| 00:17.45 | cafuego | amphi: Yup, you'll find there were pobably specs for that card |
| 00:17.59 | superlinux | hi |
| 00:18.00 | DawnLight | I am setting up an automatic installation using preseed. I'm using the 'd-i preseed/late_command string' option to make it wget a script and run it. My challenge is to make this script run in foreground because it is interactive. How can I do that in d-i? |
| 00:18.02 | superlinux | i am wondering abt one thing |
| 00:18.03 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.07 | amphi | cafuego: mayhap |
| 00:18.10 | mordy_ | my radeon used to work - i'm getting a feeling that something isn't configured properly - i don't think that it's something intimately connected to the driver |
| 00:18.10 | gravity | We need a better way to deal with setting resolutions, but we're short on manpower and time |
| 00:18.19 | themill | gravity: yeah, I know. Much of it is a huge improvement though ;) |
| 00:18.22 | gravity | I won't have any time for it until November at the earliest |
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| 00:18.32 | gravity | And no one else seems to have picked it up unfortunately |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | the old way worked ? |
| 00:18.54 | mordy_ | but again, i don't know where to look - the only things i know how to check up are the xorg log and the xorg configuration -and even that is pushing it |
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| 00:19.34 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.35 | cafuego | mordy_: Have you had a look on linux-laptops.org for sample X config files form people witgh an identical laptop? |
| 00:19.44 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 00:19.48 | cafuego | !tell superlinux -about repeat |
| 00:20.00 | gravity | needs to just graduate, find a job, and get back to X work |
| 00:20.16 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:20.23 | Nyle | how long do you have left? |
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| 00:20.27 | jelly-home | superlinux: your question makes no sense |
| 00:20.30 | gravity | Nyle: November if all goes well |
| 00:20.32 | superlinux | cafuego: i am not.. just fixing my question |
| 00:20.34 | nanoa | helo |
| 00:20.36 | Nyle | gravity, awesome |
| 00:20.37 | gravity | Still need to find a job though |
| 00:20.44 | Nyle | gravity, my older brother just graudated from nurshing school |
| 00:20.47 | superlinux | jelly how come? |
| 00:20.53 | gravity | Nyle: Cool. Congrats to him |
| 00:20.57 | Nyle | gravity, thanks |
| 00:21.07 | Nyle | gravity, younger brother just graduated highschool too hehe |
| 00:21.07 | mordy_ | cafeugo -\i have, and i don't't think i've found my laptop |
| 00:21.18 | nanoa | somebody can install voyage in a soekris |
| 00:21.20 | nanoa | ? |
| 00:21.22 | Nyle | gravity, what degree? |
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| 00:21.30 | Nyle | computer stuff? |
| 00:21.43 | gravity | Nyle: PhD in developmental genetics |
| 00:21.50 | Nyle | nice |
| 00:21.56 | gravity | Nyle: Sadly not enough computer stuff, although I'm working a bit in lately |
| 00:22.09 | gravity | Yay python |
| 00:22.09 | jelly-home | superlinux: cabling (layer-1) doesn't have anything to do with upper layers |
| 00:23.00 | superlinux | when u cable a switch to a swithch dont u put a x-over for example? |
| 00:23.18 | rahul | superlinux: that has nothing to do with upper layers, tho |
| 00:23.28 | rahul | and it has nothing to do with "switch to switch" |
| 00:23.34 | mordy_ | the closest match to my laptop is the HP branded zd8000 (as opposed to my compaq branded x6000) - it uses the fglrx driver |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | and maybe he should ask #networking |
| 00:23.36 | rahul | it has to do with how the ports on the switch work |
| 00:23.37 | jelly-home | superlinux: it depends on the hardware, and still doesn't have anything with iso layers |
| 00:24.32 | superlinux | i want to ask you: how do you connect a switch to a switch? or router to router ethernets? |
| 00:24.44 | abrotman | superlinux: ask #networking |
| 00:24.55 | jelly-home | superlinux: ... and read their documentation |
| 00:25.05 | superlinux | i want to see other ppl opinions |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | superlinux: ask #networking |
| 00:25.19 | jelly-home | superlinux: this is not the right place. |
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| 00:25.26 | superlinux | ok bro, no worries |
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| 00:26.20 | rahul | heh, opinions |
| 00:26.49 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:26.57 | Nyle | rahul, wanna go see the dark knight |
| 00:26.58 | rahul | superlinux: if you want opinions on how people should create cabling standards, this is not the right place either... if you want opinions on facts, you're on crack |
| 00:27.10 | rahul | Nyle: I do, but probably not tonight |
| 00:27.16 | rahul | gotta head downtown |
| 00:27.20 | Nyle | rahul, stew went to the thing i think in brooklyn |
| 00:27.28 | Nyle | same place as last time |
| 00:27.34 | Nyle | pacific standard, good beer place |
| 00:27.37 | rahul | oh yeah |
| 00:27.44 | rahul | an official debian nyc thing? |
| 00:27.50 | Nyle | yeh |
| 00:27.51 | Nyle | kinda |
| 00:27.55 | Nyle | debian-nyc-social |
| 00:28.04 | rahul | sure |
| 00:28.08 | fedora_ | does linus torvalds ever connect to freenode IRC_ |
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| 00:28.15 | rahul | no |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | fedora_: how would we know? |
| 00:28.22 | fedora_ | lol |
| 00:28.30 | abrotman | fedora_: email him and ask him |
| 00:28.41 | rahul | and yeah... he doesn't use debian, so why would he be here |
| 00:28.47 | superlinux | i want to see who is right only. cos what i learnt is that same layer devices u put a cross over cable, different layered , put a str8 thru |
| 00:28.53 | fedora_ | what's his email address? |
| 00:29.01 | DawnLight | I am setting up an automatic installation using preseed. I'm using the 'd-i preseed/late_command string' option to make it wget a script and run it. My challenge is to make this script run in foreground because it is interactive. How can I do that in d-i? |
| 00:29.02 | Nyle | admin@kernel.org? |
| 00:29.05 | fedora_ | lol |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | fedora_: google "LKML" find it yourself |
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| 00:29.11 | abrotman | fedora_: do you have a Debian question? |
| 00:29.14 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 00:29.16 | superlinux | maybe there is something wrong in what i learnt |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:29.20 | fedora_ | yeah |
| 00:29.21 | Nyle | hi abrotman |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | superlinux: for the last time .. ask #networking |
| 00:29.27 | fedora_ | not so Debian based but...oh well |
| 00:29.36 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:29.38 | Nyle | DawnLight, |
| 00:29.39 | fedora_ | here goes my question |
| 00:29.50 | DawnLight | hi Nyle |
| 00:29.56 | Nyle | whats goin on man dude homie bro |
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| 00:30.11 | DawnLight | lotsa love |
| 00:30.19 | fedora_ | how do you put the name of whom you are typing at in the beginning of an IRC phrase on Konversation, on Debian? ;D |
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| 00:30.32 | Nyle | rahul, my girl went to go see batman movie :( |
| 00:30.39 | Nyle | I'm stuck here being sick |
| 00:30.44 | Nyle | c'mon go with me |
| 00:30.47 | Nyle | be a come-with guy |
| 00:30.48 | cafuego | Nyle: It's *good* too |
| 00:30.48 | Nyle | c'on |
| 00:30.53 | cast | Nyle: pics |
| 00:30.54 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 00:30.59 | Nyle | be a come-with guy dude |
| 00:31.05 | Nyle | i'll pay for your ticket |
| 00:31.07 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:31.18 | rahul | heh |
| 00:31.23 | rahul | I got other plans, dude |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | Nyle: msg him .. jeez |
| 00:31.28 | Nyle | awww |
| 00:31.33 | rahul | I wanna see it tho, maybe over the weekend |
| 00:31.37 | Nyle | word |
| 00:31.39 | Nyle | lets do that |
| 00:31.39 | cafuego | rahul: take your man out for a night on the town, show him you love him... |
| 00:31.44 | Nyle | cafuego, hahaha |
| 00:31.45 | rahul | but I gotta get going. laters. |
| 00:31.47 | rahul | heh |
| 00:31.47 | Nyle | ey! |
| 00:31.47 | themill | fedora_: start typing the nick and hit <TAB>. There are options for how to do the tab completion. I go for "case insensitive" and "cylce". |
| 00:31.53 | Daemonik | I'm trying to boot Debian via PXE then continue using NFS. I want this NFS share to be read-only, so how would I best go about getting Debian to combine a ram-disk with this NFS share using UnionFS? |
| 00:31.57 | rahul | cafuego: you Penix. |
| 00:32.01 | rahul | waves |
| 00:32.02 | Nyle | read only? |
| 00:32.05 | Nyle | uhm |
| 00:32.06 | cafuego | rahul: lies!!!@! |
| 00:32.12 | Nyle | that might could cause a problem |
| 00:32.19 | DawnLight | Daemonik: do you know that there's ltsp? |
| 00:32.27 | fedora_ | thanks themill |
| 00:32.31 | themill | np |
| 00:32.36 | Daemonik | DawnLight, Is it ready to go and "just works"? |
| 00:32.43 | Nyle | cast, http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/anamanamanam/?action=view¤t=newhaircut-1.jpg |
| 00:32.55 | cafuego | Daemonik: Yeah. You just allow users to write to /home, which is an other nfs share... |
| 00:32.55 | fedora_ | that was not a Debian question but I was promted to make a Debian centered one, so I had to... |
| 00:33.05 | fedora_ | laterzzz |
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| 00:33.06 | DawnLight | Daemonik: ahm... yes. the etch version just works after you set up some stuff |
| 00:33.28 | cafuego | Daemonik: I played with ltsp a year or two ago, worked very nicely. |
| 00:33.37 | Daemonik | DawnLight, This is being served by OpenBSD |
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| 00:33.57 | cafuego | Daemonik: OpenBSD doesn't care. You just need a kernel and an NFS mount. |
| 00:33.58 | DawnLight | perhaps they have an openbsd port |
| 00:34.04 | cafuego | and a tftp server |
| 00:34.13 | Daemonik | cafuego, Which I already have ,I'm already at that part. |
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| 00:34.50 | Nyle | cast, http://picpaste.com/n14817567_39358885_3876.jpg |
| 00:35.00 | cafuego | Daemonik: *nod* Then you need an ltsp client installed tree in the nfs server, so you can share that to clients,. |
| 00:35.07 | Nyle | i did ltsp |
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| 00:35.18 | Nyle | few months ago |
| 00:35.24 | Daemonik | We're going to be having dozens of thin-clients booting off this, so I want the NFS share to be read-only, and have all changes transparently only appear to be made . . in ram using UnionFS. |
| 00:35.37 | KineticBug | Uhhm, random newbie question, how do I get the IP address of the machine I'm on (To the internets, not local) through CLI? |
| 00:35.45 | Nyle | KineticBug, ifconfig |
| 00:35.46 | Daemonik | cafuego, I've already copied an etch installation, would that be hard to get working? |
| 00:35.47 | dondelelcaro | !myip |
| 00:35.48 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 00:35.51 | dondelelcaro | KineticBug: see above. |
| 00:35.52 | cafuego | Nyle: That is not a picture of ltsp |
| 00:35.56 | KineticBug | Thanks guys! |
| 00:35.56 | Nyle | cafuego, ;) |
| 00:36.02 | Nyle | wow thats long factoid! |
| 00:36.03 | Nyle | omg |
| 00:36.08 | cafuego | Daemonik: To be honest, I don't know. I didn't ude Debian for mine. |
| 00:36.10 | Nyle | how about just ifconfig and using eyes |
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| 00:36.27 | Nyle | cafuego, ubuntu? |
| 00:36.28 | KineticBug | Haha |
| 00:36.29 | Nyle | hides |
| 00:36.41 | Daemonik | cafuego, Looks here like I can install ltsp-build-client, then I'll just go ahead and copy /opt/ltsp . . hmm |
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| 00:37.32 | DawnLight | gnight lovers |
| 00:37.50 | Nyle | nite |
| 00:38.14 | rixth | Is root SSH login via a key acceptable? |
| 00:38.28 | teratoma_ | sure why not |
| 00:38.28 | cjae | is debian servers different from ubuntu servers on xchat? |
| 00:38.40 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:38.42 | cjae | sorry are |
| 00:38.44 | cafuego | Nyle: edubuntu, yes |
| 00:38.59 | Nyle | debian points to irc.oftc.net and ubuntu poitns to irc.freenode.net |
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| 00:39.07 | cafuego | Nyle: But... i was booting a whole battery of coloured iMacs, so it looked pretty and cheerful :-) |
| 00:39.15 | Nyle | hehe nice |
| 00:39.23 | Nyle | I setup a data recovery system using ltsp |
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| 00:39.35 | Nyle | data/system recovery |
| 00:39.42 | cjae | Nyle, ok but ubuntu is the same as freenode...confused o_0 |
| 00:39.52 | Nyle | cjae, what is your question |
| 00:39.57 | Nyle | I may have misunderstood you |
| 00:40.02 | cjae | curiousity |
| 00:40.06 | Nyle | irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net |
| 00:40.11 | Nyle | irc.ubuntu.org == here on freenode |
| 00:40.21 | Nyle | is this what you are asking? |
| 00:40.32 | cjae | yes |
| 00:40.37 | Nyle | ok |
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| 00:41.48 | Nyle | cast, satisfied? |
| 00:41.51 | cafuego | lies |
| 00:41.56 | cjae | one more xchat question, how do I get the channel list of ppl on the channel? like the window to the right |
| 00:42.03 | cafuego | nagios web ui tells me the nagios server apache is down? |
| 00:42.07 | Nyle | look on the menu |
| 00:42.18 | Nyle | you'll see windows, channel list window |
| 00:42.37 | Nyle | cjae, you can do /who #chan to see who is on the chan |
| 00:42.42 | Nyle | i don't think that opens up in a seperate window |
| 00:42.47 | Nyle | try asking #xchat |
| 00:42.54 | cjae | ok |
| 00:44.10 | cjae | when I used xchat last it showed users/ppl online in that channel on the right of screen now its not here, will ask in #xchat |
| 00:45.36 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:45.44 | Nyle | its probably pushed all the way to the side to its hidden now |
| 00:45.46 | mordy_ | cjae - you just need to resize the menu on your right/left |
| 00:45.54 | Nyle | move your mouse around the edge |
| 00:45.57 | mordy_ | it's pushed all the way to the side - as nyle said |
| 00:45.59 | Nyle | you will see resize handlers |
| 00:46.09 | Nyle | just grab one and drag left, to make the userlist wider |
| 00:46.10 | cjae | soab |
| 00:46.19 | cjae | sorry thanks |
| 00:46.41 | Nyle | try irssi |
| 00:46.42 | Nyle | !irssi |
| 00:46.43 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch, or http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup, #irssi @ irc.stealth.net / #irssi @ irc.efnet.net |
| 00:47.02 | Nyle | what about irssi here on #freenode |
| 00:47.02 | mordy_ | yeah, irssi :| |
| 00:47.04 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:47.07 | Nyle | #irssi on freenode |
| 00:47.08 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:47.51 | cjae | is there a multimedia repo for debian |
| 00:47.55 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 00:47.56 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 00:48.49 | mordy_ | the framebuffer still refuses to turn off *sigh* - i see it initialized in boot, despite ... gah, what's the use |
| 00:50.17 | H2S04 | gah! |
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| 00:53.26 | cjae | Nyle, so this repo would have w32 and all that jazz, I see debian already plays .avi - dvix and such but the image qulaity is low |
| 00:53.33 | Nyle | es |
| 00:53.36 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:54.00 | cjae | Nyle, btw latest stable is etch right? |
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| 00:54.07 | Nyle | yes |
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| 00:54.11 | cjae | thanks |
| 00:54.27 | Nyle | np |
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| 00:56.00 | tuv | is it at all possible to chroot to a debootstrapped directory without root access? |
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| 00:57.20 | cjae | nyle, I cannot just add this repo to sources list I need a gpg key as well right? |
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| 00:57.55 | Nyle | aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring after you add the repo |
| 00:58.10 | Nyle | and obviously update |
| 00:58.40 | cjae | Nyle, yah just saw that increased text size for web pages too |
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| 00:58.50 | cjae | lol |
| 00:59.13 | SilverDawn | !ubuntu |
| 00:59.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:59.16 | superlinux | which has more advantages? letting the root do all group assignments or let a normal user take care of his own group |
| 00:59.32 | SilverDawn | :( didnt it used to say debian for retards? |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | SilverDawn: does it matter? |
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| 00:59.48 | SilverDawn | Guess not |
| 01:00.08 | SilverDawn | I just wanted to give it to someone :P |
| 01:00.11 | SilverDawn | shrugs |
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| 01:00.49 | Alya | wtf package manager is trying to connect over proxy if I dont see any proxy settings? |
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| 01:01.06 | Alya | or am looking not in the right place |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | apt.conf ? |
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| 01:01.26 | Alya | no proxy still |
| 01:01.35 | Alya | bug? |
| 01:02.11 | mordy_ | hmm.. i'm thinking maybe the radeonfb got inside the kernel - how do i tell? how do i remove it? |
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| 01:02.16 | abrotman | Alya: likely on your system |
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| 01:02.24 | Alya | yepp |
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| 01:02.36 | johndoe | does aptitude keep a log of the things it installed/removed ? |
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| 01:02.50 | abrotman | johndoe: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:03.02 | johndoe | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:03.23 | duton | how can i check a cd for errors ? |
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| 01:03.49 | TimothyA | how do i run something in the background, without being annoyed by its output? |
| 01:04.09 | abrotman | foo & &>output |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | wait .. is that right ? |
| 01:04.16 | tuv | TimothyA, 2>/dev/null at the end |
| 01:04.18 | Nyle | almost |
| 01:04.20 | TimothyA | ah |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | foo &>output & |
| 01:04.32 | KineticBug | Recommended mail daemon for debian? |
| 01:04.32 | TimothyA | hrm... |
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| 01:04.37 | TimothyA | tuv; I can't do anything when I do that |
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| 01:04.40 | abrotman | KineticBug: postfix or exim |
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| 01:05.18 | unixSnob | So i did a netinst, and installed and configured all the apps I want. THEN discovered that it installed a 32-bit kernel on a 64-bit machine </rant> |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | so? |
| 01:05.33 | tuv | is it at all possible to chroot to a debootstrapped directory without root privileges? |
| 01:06.00 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | unixSnob: that sucks, was it a 64-bit CD? |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | unixSnob: i386 debian has a 64bit kernel available .. if you think it will help |
| 01:06.29 | duton | hmm found cdck will check that out. |
| 01:07.04 | unixSnob | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: not sure.. probably. I originally burned it for a 32bit machine |
| 01:07.07 | tuv | TimothyA, actually that only forwards the error stream to /dev/null |
| 01:07.33 | Alya | silly ghost proxy |
| 01:07.48 | unixSnob | abrotman: I believe I need to reinstall everything in order to leverage 64bit performance |
| 01:07.54 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | unixSnob: then it would install 32-bit software |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | unixSnob: really not worth it |
| 01:08.01 | tuv | TimothyA, &>/dev/null will get rid of all output |
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| 01:08.44 | unixSnob | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: that was a typo.. i meant to say 'probably not' |
| 01:08.52 | TimothyA | tuv; I'm unable to issue anymore commands |
| 01:09.10 | abrotman | foo &>output & |
| 01:09.21 | cjae | Nyle, I seem to be getting an error when I try to recieve the gpg key |
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| 01:09.26 | tuv | TimothyA, CTRL-C will inturrupt the current command, if it doesn't stop on its own |
| 01:09.30 | unixSnob | abrotman: really? I really intend to push this machine... running a couple VMs, perhaps even at once |
| 01:09.42 | cjae | Nyle, sorry nevermind |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | unixSnob: then do whatever you want |
| 01:09.44 | TimothyA | tuv: i want it to run in the background, I still want to continue to be able to use the shell |
| 01:09.47 | naiv | which is the better terminal ? rxvt ? |
| 01:09.52 | mordy_ | depends what program - ctl-c doesn't always interrupt as expected |
| 01:10.03 | tuv | TimothyA, right.. what abrotman suggested will add the feature of sending the program to the background |
| 01:10.22 | abrotman | that is what he asked for oringially |
| 01:10.24 | TimothyA | ah yes :D |
| 01:10.30 | TimothyA | thank you, abrto |
| 01:10.38 | TimothyA | *abrotman |
| 01:10.49 | tuv | abrotman, it's not my fault he picked my answer over yours! |
| 01:10.51 | shifty | how do I rename -leading_hyphen.pdf to no_leading_hyphen.pdf in bash? |
| 01:11.02 | abrotman | tuv: yeah .. it happens from time to time :) |
| 01:11.06 | TimothyA | will it also still run when i disconnect? |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | shifty: man rename |
| 01:11.48 | tuv | TimothyA, most probably not. i guess it depends on the program. you may want to use screen if you want it to continue running no matter what |
| 01:11.49 | shifty | abrotman: is it possible using mv? |
| 01:12.04 | TimothyA | tuv; how do i switch between screens? |
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| 01:12.07 | tuv | TimothyA, or maybe nohup |
| 01:12.20 | TimothyA | i think screens might be more useful to me |
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| 01:12.31 | tuv | TimothyA, install the package "screen" and read its man |
| 01:12.47 | TimothyA | i have a very tiny window to read in |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | or nohup |
| 01:12.51 | TimothyA | it's almost impossible |
| 01:13.46 | shifty | i would like to understand how to sucessfully escape leading hyphens in filenames in the shell |
| 01:14.04 | cjae | libdvdcss2 is the most current? |
| 01:14.17 | tuv | shifty, won't quotes do it? |
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| 01:14.41 | abrotman | shifty: i'd use rename |
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| 01:15.07 | shifty | tuv: apparently not :-) |
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| 01:15.40 | shifty | abrotman: yes, i will follow your advice for this particular file, although it is bugging me I can't escape it properly! |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | shifty: escape it ? |
| 01:16.25 | amphi | shifty: you put '--' after any args to the command |
| 01:16.49 | amphi | shifty: eg. mv -- -foo bar |
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| 01:17.39 | cjae | !nvidia |
| 01:17.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 01:17.40 | _abbenormal | hello all |
| 01:17.43 | shifty | amphi: AWESOME! there's always a simple answer! Thanks! |
| 01:17.52 | TimothyA | urgh, I can't seem to create a new screen.. |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it had an underscore |
| 01:18.04 | Nyle | amphi, pin |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | TimothyA: ctrl-a c |
| 01:18.16 | amphi | pon |
| 01:18.21 | _abbenormal | has anyone done a fresh install and built a vanilla kernel today |
| 01:18.27 | shifty | abrotman: thanks also - the 'ls \-file.pdf' just complains "invalid option -f" |
| 01:18.36 | TimothyA | abrotman; i did! |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | shifty: right .. use the -- |
| 01:18.46 | Daemonik | When I attempt to PXE-boot Debian then NFS, after the kernel has loaded initrd, I get the error "mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory", I'm not exactly sure what to do here. Do I have to edit initrd? This is one made with initramfs.conf with BOOT=nfs and all that. |
| 01:18.53 | TimothyA | ctrl-a, and then c |
| 01:18.57 | TimothyA | it just ignores it |
| 01:19.09 | _abbenormal | the ? is what is this and why is it in the menu.lst root=UUID=419f6c44-d2f2-44d8-85ab-b7ef08b3121e ro |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | not ctrl-a,ctrl-c .. ctrl-a,c |
| 01:19.25 | TimothyA | that's what I just said |
| 01:19.26 | TimothyA | ctrl-a,c |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | _abbenormal: your bootloader is booting by UUID instead of device .. |
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| 01:19.39 | abrotman | that didn't make sense |
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| 01:20.06 | _abbenormal | ok why is debian moving to this type of bootloading |
| 01:20.09 | Tramp | abrotman: should be equivalent (ctrl-a,ctrl-c or ctral-a,c) |
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| 01:21.33 | abrotman | Tramp: i think win32 putty doesn't work with the former .. can't recall |
| 01:21.40 | Gnurdux | whats that command that tells you what's using what file? |
| 01:21.43 | _abbenormal | and is there more info out here as when i make a new kernel it panics using that in the menu.lst remove it and it loads fine |
| 01:21.44 | TimothyA | 'xenconsole' ? |
| 01:22.05 | naiv | is rxvt a wired term or a dinausaur term ? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | Gnurdux: fuser or lsof |
| 01:22.16 | Gnurdux | ah yes thanks |
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| 01:22.50 | phorce1 | lenny appears to be in high freakin gear. Hundreds of megs of upgrades every few days. |
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| 01:26.16 | Ian_Daniher | is there anyway that I can have rsync delete files on the far directory that have been removed in the local? |
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| 01:28.11 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: you want to delete files from the master that were deleted in the copy ? |
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| 01:28.32 | Ian_Daniher | abrotman: strike it, reverse it |
| 01:28.40 | Zeroyez | looking for etch and a half iso amd64 |
| 01:28.53 | Ian_Daniher | delete files from the copy that were deleted on the master |
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| 01:28.53 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: the man page covers that |
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| 01:30.20 | pr0ut | hello all |
| 01:30.31 | pr0ut | i have some problem with iptables |
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| 01:31.05 | pr0ut | im usning script to make firewall but when i do "iptables -F" my server (its a dedicated server) crash |
| 01:31.36 | blameless | does it crash or do you just get locked out? |
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| 01:31.53 | pr0ut | i lost ssh on my server |
| 01:32.07 | cmsimon | hi. where can i fetch a copy of the public debian gpg key so i can check images? |
| 01:32.32 | blameless | pr0ut: does your iptables policy say something other than Allow? |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | pr0ut: you're getting locked out |
| 01:33.11 | pr0ut | im using this -> http://formation-debian.via.ecp.fr/apn.html |
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| 01:33.22 | abrotman | you're flushing your tables .. and after that's done, ssh isn't allowed |
| 01:33.37 | pr0ut | but how can i just clean my iptable ? |
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| 01:33.51 | greeg_ | hi |
| 01:34.03 | bpgoldsb | I want to install some packages (i.e. postfix) without having to bother with dpkg-reconfigure. I'm going to pull it's configuration from another location (cfengine/puppet). Any ideas on the APT command I should be using? |
| 01:34.22 | blameless | pr0ut: do a iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT before the iptables -F |
| 01:34.44 | greeg_ | could someone be so kind and tell me if they could reach my web server? http://70.44.77.165/stuff |
| 01:35.01 | greeg_ | i need to verify if my ISP blocks port 80 |
| 01:35.01 | pr0ut | ok blameless i will try |
| 01:35.16 | Zeroyez | i rea ched it |
| 01:35.21 | Zeroyez | not blocked :) |
| 01:35.26 | greeg_ | thanx Zeroyez |
| 01:35.41 | pr0ut | ok it's good, thx blameless |
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| 01:36.00 | Zeroyez | when will jesus bring the pork chops? o.o |
| 01:36.04 | amphi | greeg_: you could also use https://grc.com/x/portprobe=80 FWIW |
| 01:36.10 | Zeroyez | nice stuff xD |
| 01:36.19 | greeg_ | thanx i'll book mark it |
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| 01:41.56 | dos000 | is there an easy way to figure the category of a package ? when i visit http://packages.debian.org/stable/ i see those categories. Now from a package name how do i see which categry its in ? |
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| 01:42.24 | abrotman | Section ? |
| 01:42.57 | blameless | dos000: do a search? or just go to packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 01:44.18 | dos000 | blameless: http://packages.debian.org/etch/vserver-debiantools where do ise the category ? |
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| 01:45.08 | dos000 | blameless: also i did not understood what you meant by search ? |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | dos000: apt-cache show vserver-debiantools | grep Section |
| 01:45.15 | dos000 | ah! |
| 01:45.31 | dos000 | abrotman: thanks! |
| 01:45.39 | dos000 | blameless: thanks |
| 01:46.17 | Eitan | is there a utility to check to see whether a partition is ext2 or ext3? |
| 01:46.32 | blameless | Eitan: mount |
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| 01:46.37 | dos000 | df -ha |
| 01:46.53 | dos000 | oops |
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| 01:49.22 | Eitan | blameless: what is the default filesystem for etch? |
| 01:49.37 | blameless | ext3 afaik |
| 01:49.50 | blameless | which may not be much since i don't use ext at all |
| 01:50.04 | Eitan | dos000: do you concur? default filesystem for etch is? |
| 01:50.14 | KineticBug | Hmm, one thing I've never done... How do you uninstall a package I just apt-get'd |
| 01:50.28 | dos000 | Eitan: no idea .. sorry ! |
| 01:50.29 | blameless | KineticBug: apt-get remove --purge <blah-package> |
| 01:50.46 | KineticBug | Ahh, thanks |
| 01:51.16 | bpgoldsb | If a package (postfix) wants to run dpkg-reconfigure, is there a way to install it with a 'dont run dpkg-reconfigure' setting? |
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| 01:54.32 | epsilon | default is ext3 |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | bpgoldsb: uhm .. you have to answer those quetsions usually |
| 01:54.38 | civillian | blameless: which fs do you use mainly? |
| 01:54.47 | blameless | jfs |
| 01:55.08 | bpgoldsb | abrotman: I'm rolling out configs with puppet/cfengine/etc |
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| 01:55.17 | bpgoldsb | I'm aware of the issues by skipping it |
| 01:55.32 | lilferry | anyone using tvtime? |
| 01:56.02 | civillian | blameless: googling.. |
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| 01:59.06 | civillian | blameless: what's you main reasoning for using jfs? |
| 02:00.54 | blameless | according to what i've read, it performs better overall on low power devices |
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| 02:01.55 | KineticBug | Hmm, what could be causing this http://privatepaste.com/ea1HIgy8zd |
| 02:02.15 | KineticBug | Does the same thing trying to apt-get remove postfix |
| 02:07.26 | acidslep | haha back! |
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| 02:09.08 | _abbenormal | why is debian using this in the grub menu.lst and where can i find more info about how it is used in kernel making root=UUID=419f6c44-d2f2-44d8-85ab-b7ef08b3121e ro |
| 02:09.54 | acidslep | rtfm |
| 02:09.56 | acidslep | :P |
| 02:10.22 | acidslep | did you check info grub? |
| 02:10.42 | cjae | is there no package installer for debian, I mean like the one similar to windows install shield I think its called gdeb or something? |
| 02:10.43 | _abbenormal | googling now |
| 02:11.00 | acidslep | cjae whats wrong with aptitude? |
| 02:11.12 | cjae | or is it not installed by default |
| 02:11.41 | acidslep | or synaptic if your into that sort of thing |
| 02:11.46 | cjae | acidslep, nothing just curious |
| 02:12.01 | acidslep | dselect will do the same i belive |
| 02:12.06 | acidslep | synaptic will work with X |
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| 02:13.13 | Cyp_ | j8, r u there ? |
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| 02:17.12 | BrahmsC | for an iso i write with Joliet, Iso level 1 or iso level 2 ? |
| 02:18.26 | KineticBug | Hmm, what could be causing this http://privatepaste.com/ea1HIgy8zd |
| 02:18.40 | acidslep | !alert! xorg bugs!!! |
| 02:18.43 | acidslep | hehe |
| 02:19.00 | acidslep | but seriousley, my mouse is fucked up |
| 02:19.25 | duton | file name lenght limitation with level 1 |
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| 02:20.28 | abrotman | KineticBug: you could just comment that out in the prerm script |
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| 02:25.01 | elik | Anyone here has ever played with bridge-utils to do a wireless to ethernet conversion or know a way to make a netinstall over wifi |
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| 02:25.06 | elik | for lenny |
| 02:25.24 | elik | I tried the beta installer, but my interface wouldn't show up |
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| 02:28.42 | abrotman | depends on your wifi device |
| 02:29.58 | unixSnob | abrotman: when I do a apt-cache search linux-image, i don't see any kernels that appear to be for the 64 bit intel |
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| 02:30.15 | hedos | Hi. Is there a package for pidgin on debian? |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | unixSnob: -amd64 |
| 02:30.22 | abrotman | hedos: gaim |
| 02:30.38 | hedos | Oh, should have thought of that. |
| 02:30.44 | elik | abrotman, I have a nice intel ipw2200 card... I did read it depended on the network card, but couldn't find any info about which card |
| 02:30.48 | unixSnob | really? the amd kernel for a core2 duo? i wouldn't have expected that |
| 02:30.51 | hedos | thanks |
| 02:31.01 | abrotman | unixSnob: it snuck up on intel too! |
| 02:31.11 | unixSnob | lol |
| 02:32.05 | unixSnob | it's about time intel is treated like the underdog |
| 02:32.05 | Baloo | No joke there... I remember working at intel and seeing the letters to the editor of "Circuit," Intel's internal employee publication, questioning the intelligence of taking on AMD64 instead of fixing Itanium. |
| 02:32.25 | elik | Are you saying you install the amd packages for intel core2 duo? |
| 02:32.25 | Baloo | unixSnob: Remember, intel was the underdog when they got started. |
| 02:32.54 | elik | or that's just if you want to run 64 bits? |
| 02:32.57 | Baloo | Intel's one of the few corporations in the IT industry that actually seems to have a moral conscious. |
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| 02:33.17 | elik | I love their ipw2200 wireless card drivers :) |
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| 02:33.39 | unixSnob | doesn't like the fact that intel drug tests employees - they're morals are a bit lacking in terms of privacy |
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| 02:35.01 | unixSnob | but i have to give intel credit in terms of the environment |
| 02:35.36 | unixSnob | intel chooses to clean the mass quantities of water they consume in the desert, and give it back to the community |
| 02:36.09 | unixSnob | (the chips need absurd amounts of water to clean them on a daily basis) |
| 02:36.33 | Baloo | unixSnob: On the other hand, the drug testing policy is pre-employment or with probable cause. So unless you're a walking industrial accident, you only have to pass it once. |
| 02:37.04 | unixSnob | well it's the pre-employment test that I have a particular issue with |
| 02:37.18 | unixSnob | it's boils down to lifestyle discrimination |
| 02:37.27 | elik | is it so hard to stop taking drugs for the test? |
| 02:37.45 | unixSnob | it's the fact that you have to |
| 02:37.55 | unixSnob | not the difficulty |
| 02:37.57 | Baloo | unixSnob: That being said, there's a comic called Intelland, documenting a new hire's first day, in which the protagonist falls asleep while reading a book entitled "How to Pass a Drug Test," and out of 12 people on my team, I think one wasn't a pothead, and it wasn't the manager. |
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| 02:38.06 | abrotman | how the hell is it life style discrimination? |
| 02:38.24 | Baloo | abrotman: You can test positive while not under the influence. |
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| 02:38.42 | abrotman | Baloo: uhm .. they're testing for illegal drugs right ? |
| 02:38.46 | elik | well, if you took some yesterday, and want to take some tomorrow, sure you will test positive |
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| 02:39.05 | elik | it's not a matter of right now, but rather of habit |
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| 02:39.18 | elik | you know, they pass those tests to those who want to be policemen |
| 02:39.26 | unixSnob | elik: if you smoked 6 weeks before the test, you can test positive |
| 02:39.32 | Pavlz | hello |
| 02:39.34 | elik | I know |
| 02:39.45 | unixSnob | someone can visit amsterdam, smoke up, return, and fail the test |
| 02:39.52 | Baloo | abrotman: In the case of marijuana, no. That's legal in all the provinces they operate in north of the border, and parking tickets are considered more severe than marijuana infractions in the US states where they have their largest operations. |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | points to #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:40.03 | wols_ | unixSnob: if you have an issue with that "lifestyle discrimination" take it up with the government. THEY outlawed those drugs, not employers |
| 02:40.13 | elik | well, if you want to work there... just hold on for a few weeks |
| 02:40.19 | acidslep | ??? |
| 02:40.22 | acidslep | wtf is iceweasel.. |
| 02:40.26 | elik | lol |
| 02:40.30 | abrotman | acidslep: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 02:40.31 | unixSnob | it's not the employers job to enforce drug laws -- they are doing so voluntarily |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 02:40.36 | Heavy-D | Anybody know how to change the partition style of a hard disk? I need to make this hard disk MBR but it's saying it's of type GPT (the drive came out of my Mac pro) |
| 02:40.46 | elik | abrotman is trying to point out something :D |
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| 02:40.51 | acidslep | oh quit it :P |
| 02:40.53 | Baloo | And failing horribly. |
| 02:40.57 | elik | abrotman, did you know more about those bridge |
| 02:40.58 | wols_ | Heavy-D: reformat |
| 02:40.59 | acidslep | ive just never heard of it |
| 02:41.01 | elik | acidslep, funny eh |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | elik: where's that confounded bridge! |
| 02:41.19 | Heavy-D | wols_: if I stick the hard disk in my debian box I can format it there? |
| 02:41.25 | Pavlz | i have take the adsl with tiscali.it i would to buy a router supported openwrt and by tiscali.it, which one do you suggest me ? |
| 02:41.28 | dondelelcaro | Heavy-D: you repartition it; it's not necessary at all, but you can do it. |
| 02:41.40 | dondelelcaro | Heavy-D: you'll lose all of the data on the drive, though. |
| 02:41.47 | Baloo | The fact that so many people smoke pot and are open about it at Intel strongly suggests that they need to stop testing for it as a prerequisite for employment because it's not weeding anybody out except qualified employees. |
| 02:41.53 | Heavy-D | dondelelcaro: that's not an issue, the drive is blank anyways |
| 02:41.56 | wols_ | Heavy-D: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 done |
| 02:42.03 | wols_ | Heavy-D: then you can create MBR partitions |
| 02:42.17 | elik | abrotman, uh? the wifi-ethernet bridge |
| 02:42.27 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: does debian have now GPT support out of the box? |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | elik: i'm not sure why you have to bridge anything |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | elik: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | elik: doesn't your system have a functional wired NIC ? |
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| 02:43.33 | elik | abrotman, the whole point is, I want to install Lenny on my new machine, but I don't have access to the router |
| 02:43.38 | Heavy-D | wols_, dondelelcaro: You guys are my heroes. I must try that |
| 02:43.45 | Heavy-D | lol |
| 02:43.46 | elik | abrotman, but my laptop is functional and on the wifi too |
| 02:43.54 | Heavy-D | Debian effing rocks. hardcore. |
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| 02:44.07 | abrotman | elik: oh .. and your laptop has both 10/100 and wifi ? |
| 02:44.29 | elik | abrotman, so I wanted to transform my laptop into a bridge so I could wire my desktop to my laptop |
| 02:44.29 | elik | abrotman, yeah |
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| 02:44.30 | abrotman | elik: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 02:44.30 | wols_ | elik: no need for a bridge |
| 02:44.37 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it definetly does on ppc, and I was pretty sure it supported it on i386, though I haven't checked recently. |
| 02:44.50 | elik | abrotman, wols_, really? |
| 02:44.56 | elik | <wols_> elik: no need for a bri |
| 02:45.01 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: grep GPT config-2.6.* |
| 02:45.02 | elik | bleh |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | elik: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 02:45.07 | Pavlz | i have take the adsl with tiscali.it i would to buy a router, which one do you suggest me ? In the future i would to install openwrt, have you one to suggest me that is good for tiscali.it ? awaiting your reply, tnx by paolo |
| 02:45.09 | elik | yeah, looking it up |
| 02:45.13 | wols_ | that gives zero results in /boot for me which has 2.6.18 in there |
| 02:45.30 | wols_ | abrotman: don't tell people to use double NAT! |
| 02:45.38 | wols_ | that'e evil |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:46.19 | wols_ | elik: set a static IP on wired nics each, enable ip_forwarding on the lappy and off you go |
| 02:46.28 | wols_ | oh, set DNS on the desktop properly as well |
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| 02:47.18 | elik | wols_, is that ip masq what I need to use to do that? |
| 02:47.23 | wols_ | elik: no |
| 02:47.32 | wols_ | that sets up another NAT |
| 02:47.40 | elik | wols_, I see |
| 02:48.00 | elik | wols_, so I just setup a static IP on my desktop and hard wire it on my laptop |
| 02:48.04 | Pavlz | i would to buy a router have you one to suggest me ? In the future on the router i would to install openwrt, i have an adsl of tiscali.it , please help me by paolo |
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| 02:48.29 | wols_ | ip_forward must be set in /etc/syslog.conf as well with net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 02:48.49 | elik | wols_, is there anywhere I can have more info about that? |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | i don't think you have to do that explicitly with the ipmasq package |
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| 02:49.07 | wols_ | abrotman: cause ipmasq does it for you |
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| 02:49.17 | GillaGal | I'm trying to create a custom 404 error msg, in my .htaccess I've got "ErrorDocument 404 /error/404.html", looking in my apache error log it show's "/usr/share/apache2/error/404.html" In my vhost config the doc-root is states, Is this another issue associated with debian not reading virtualhost files? |
| 02:49.32 | elik | wols_, considering it is very temporary, could ipmasq be a good solution |
| 02:49.41 | elik | wols_, I just want to get the netinst to work |
| 02:49.59 | wols_ | ok then maybe. thought it was supposed to be fixed |
| 02:50.11 | wols_ | double NAT is just evil when not needed :) |
| 02:50.17 | elik | wols_, I didn't specify, so you couldn't know |
| 02:50.52 | elik | wols_, but the wireless interface on my laptop works on kubuntu, so I'd expect it to work when the proper packages are installed on Lenny |
| 02:50.52 | dondelelcaro | wols_: CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y |
| 02:51.05 | dondelelcaro | wols_: though I must admit that I was confusing APM and CPT. |
| 02:51.11 | dondelelcaro | s/CPT/GPT/ |
| 02:51.38 | amphi | elik: what card? |
| 02:52.04 | elik | amphi, ipw2200 on laptop, some broadcom on my desktop |
| 02:52.09 | elik | amphi, not too sure which |
| 02:53.11 | wols_ | elik: better make sure :) |
| 02:53.22 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 02:53.23 | amphi | elik: ipw2200 is working? |
| 02:53.29 | elik | amphi, perfectly |
| 02:53.40 | amphi | good-oh |
| 02:53.54 | elik | wols_, well, if it work on kubuntu... I'd be disappointed if it didn't work on debian ;) |
| 02:54.12 | elik | amphi, had a few issues in the past with firmware missing |
| 02:54.37 | elik | amphi, took a while to figure out, but other than that... nothing to say about it... love the fact that intel have their own open source driver |
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| 02:54.46 | elik | amphi, sad they can't open the firmware... |
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| 02:55.53 | certron | greetings. Has anyone reported errors with the newest version of Asterisk? 1.4.21 just installed tonight. |
| 02:55.53 | phoul | Hey everyone, Im having issues with fglrx in debian, http://rafb.net/p/stDs7W81.html is the output from fglrxinfo and my xorg log, I cant figure out why it wont direct render... ive tried shutting aiglx off in my xorg config |
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| 02:58.13 | amphi | elik: indeed |
| 02:58.21 | elik | wols_, in terms of network, how does the ip forwarding work?how does it know which interface to use? |
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| 02:59.07 | elik | wols_, also, is there any way I can get DHCP to work over this ip_forwarding (although the ip_forwarding makes me think that it can't, since it's at ip layer, and dhcp is a little lower) |
| 02:59.37 | wols_ | elik: routing table knows what to use |
| 02:59.54 | elik | wols_, good enough, how about DHCP? |
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| 03:01.12 | Heavy-D | wols_, Brilliant that worked for me... thanks so much. |
| 03:01.49 | elik | abrotman, thx for pointing out ip masq, that sounds like something that might be useful at some point |
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| 03:02.29 | abrotman | it's useful now? |
| 03:02.40 | Heavy-D | hey phoul, you from Manitoba? |
| 03:03.08 | elik | abrotman, well, I'll try to use the ip_forwarding trick |
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| 03:03.17 | elik | abrotman, seems more suitable for my current situation |
| 03:03.27 | phoul | Heavy-D, yes |
| 03:03.42 | Heavy-D | phoul, nice i'm in Winnipeg. Where abouts you at? |
| 03:03.43 | phoul | as are you |
| 03:03.43 | elik | abrotman, btw, do you know every single questions dpkg can answer? |
| 03:03.46 | phoul | Winnipeg |
| 03:03.51 | Heavy-D | Hehe, nice |
| 03:03.54 | abrotman | i've used the ipmasq to install systems via my laptop |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | elik: all? no |
| 03:03.58 | phoul | Mind if i IM? |
| 03:04.00 | phoul | err |
| 03:04.00 | phoul | PM |
| 03:04.04 | Heavy-D | sure, go for it |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | elik: the bot has tons of factoids .. with more being added every day |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | currently reference 38290 factoids. |
| 03:04.38 | elik | abrotman, how do you "instruct" him? |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | elik: /msg dpkg foo |
| 03:05.18 | abrotman | elik: /msg dpkg help |
| 03:05.35 | phoul | head-desks |
| 03:05.39 | phoul | Anyone here an fglrx nerd |
| 03:05.39 | elik | hum, I feel recursion |
| 03:05.49 | GillaGal | can anyone point me to a document on how to set custom 404's with debian/apache2? |
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| 03:06.02 | abrotman | elik: it depends what you're looking for in the bot |
| 03:06.16 | abrotman | GillaGal: httpd.apache.org ? |
| 03:06.43 | elik | abrotman, oh, nice, constant parsing |
| 03:06.54 | GillaGal | abrotman I've followed that... seems dedian isn't following the virtualhost configs. |
| 03:08.04 | GillaGal | log is showing "/usr/share/apache2/" in front of whatever I set. |
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| 03:09.32 | phoul | head-desks |
| 03:10.55 | phoul | Does anyone here run fglrx... |
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| 03:11.10 | kokice | shold i disable inetd http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/1757/ |
| 03:11.16 | kokice | and all services in the conf |
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| 03:13.52 | certron | phoul: if you asked me about a year ago, I could help. As it is now, I don't run linux as often and I use 3D accel even less often. |
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| 03:14.26 | phoul | That doesnt help me |
| 03:14.28 | Nyle | phoul, #ati |
| 03:14.32 | phoul | Tried there |
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| 03:14.33 | phoul | No response |
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| 03:14.40 | Nyle | !wayttd phoul |
| 03:14.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, phoul? |
| 03:14.45 | certron | phoul: but at least you know your words aren't just going into the ether |
| 03:14.47 | phoul | Hey everyone, Im having issues with fglrx in debian, http://rafb.net/p/stDs7W81.html is the output from fglrxinfo and my xorg log, I cant figure out why it wont direct render... ive tried shutting aiglx off in my xorg config |
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| 03:15.20 | certron | is there a kernel component that is also required, for example, dealing with AGPGART or similar direct memory access? |
| 03:15.26 | Nyle | no |
| 03:16.23 | phoul | Any ideas Nyle |
| 03:16.28 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:17.11 | phoul | such as? |
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| 03:18.01 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:18.02 | Nyle | back |
| 03:18.09 | Nyle | phoul, which debian release? |
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| 03:18.17 | phoul | Lenny |
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| 03:19.41 | Nyle | how did you install the fglrx driver? |
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| 03:19.52 | phoul | !ationeliner |
| 03:19.55 | phoul | or not |
| 03:20.04 | phoul | some one liner... lemme grab you the command |
| 03:20.24 | Nyle | do you have fglrx-glx installed |
| 03:20.31 | phoul | yes |
| 03:20.32 | Nyle | phoul, no need |
| 03:21.01 | phoul | aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the command .... |
| 03:21.52 | phoul | to be entirely honest, I dont even know if xorg is using the fglrx driver, debian has gotten weird with their xorg.conf's by default it seems... |
| 03:22.08 | Nyle | you are |
| 03:22.22 | Nyle | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeonhd_drv.so |
| 03:22.31 | phoul | Alrighty.. |
| 03:22.37 | Nyle | as such you will not get dri to work because the radeonhd driver is not supportin it in lenny |
| 03:22.42 | Nyle | its only available in git/developmental |
| 03:22.51 | Nyle | phoul, modprobe fglrx |
| 03:23.02 | Nyle | phoul, if you get no output, it is successful |
| 03:23.15 | phoul | its already there... |
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| 03:23.26 | phoul | and why is fglrx not supported yet its in there |
| 03:23.28 | Nyle | phoul, of coruse, post inst does it |
| 03:23.34 | Nyle | phoul, pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 03:24.30 | phoul | http://pastebin.ca/1075025 |
| 03:24.50 | Nyle | phoul, under the device section |
| 03:24.55 | Nyle | create another entry |
| 03:25.03 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.26 | phoul | alright, i will try restarting X with that |
| 03:25.35 | phoul | k? |
| 03:25.50 | Nyle | hang on |
| 03:25.53 | phoul | alrighty |
| 03:26.07 | Nyle | apt-cache policy fglrx-glx |
| 03:26.15 | Nyle | is it installed? |
| 03:26.19 | phoul | yes |
| 03:26.25 | Nyle | http://pastebin.ca/1075027 |
| 03:26.37 | Nyle | your device section should look rougly like this with the driver option |
| 03:26.45 | phoul | yes |
| 03:26.57 | Nyle | where is your irc running? |
| 03:27.00 | Nyle | X or console? |
| 03:27.02 | phoul | X |
| 03:27.36 | Nyle | install irssi and connect to irc from console, try alt+f2, install irssi, star it, login to here, and then it would be easier for you to go back and forth until you get X to work |
| 03:27.39 | Nyle | just a tip. |
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| 03:27.47 | Nyle | go ahead and restart X with the new driver |
| 03:28.55 | Nyle | since the radeonhd driver doesn't provide 3d Accel, which xorg is automatically laoding as it determined that radeonhd would be best for you |
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| 03:29.08 | acidslep | hi! |
| 03:29.10 | Nyle | fglrxinfo and/or glxinfo will not show direct rendering |
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| 03:29.56 | acidslep | HI |
| 03:30.09 | acidslep | is beginning to think everyone is an assho |
| 03:30.28 | Nyle | acidslep, imagine 700+ people saying hi back to you |
| 03:30.45 | acidslep | that would be totally cool if it only happend once |
| 03:30.46 | streuner | sure, nice, but troll somewhere else :-) |
| 03:30.59 | acidslep | :( i no troll |
| 03:31.02 | Nyle | streuner, whats the matter with you |
| 03:31.09 | Nyle | thats not trolling |
| 03:31.44 | streuner | adjust Nyle's eyes :-) |
| 03:32.06 | acidslep | shoots bottle rockets from his hands and gets burnt real bad |
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| 03:32.15 | streuner | Nyle: hm, join a channel and saying "hey, everybody is an asshole"? ;-) |
| 03:32.24 | Nyle | no |
| 03:32.26 | Nyle | he did no do that |
| 03:32.32 | Nyle | he said hi twice |
| 03:32.35 | Nyle | and he didn't get a response |
| 03:32.44 | Nyle | if he though we were being assholes, he is free to think that |
| 03:32.51 | acidslep | ty |
| 03:33.40 | ootput | do any of you use conkeror by any chance? I'd like to know if there was a way (similar to vimperator) that allows me to use search keywords without having to specify google in the url bar |
| 03:34.04 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:34.11 | Nyle | ootput, use space as a delimiter |
| 03:34.23 | Nyle | and select google as your default search engine |
| 03:34.34 | Nyle | type anything in location bar with a space in it |
| 03:34.41 | Nyle | if you type single word, it will not pick up |
| 03:34.43 | Nyle | must include space |
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| 03:36.55 | acidslep | gui's are nothing but trouble :) |
| 03:37.00 | acidslep | you can qoute me on that |
| 03:37.14 | phoul | Nyle, that doesnt work :( it makes my monitor freak out... just turns off.... i checked X -configure and it says 'too many screens' or somethin like that, however i have 1 |
| 03:37.18 | phoul | So im not sure what to do |
| 03:37.22 | phoul | =( |
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| 03:37.40 | ootput | Nyle: pardon? so i can omit 'google'? |
| 03:39.02 | acidslep | ootput, if you do what he said, yes you can just type your search directly into the adress bar |
| 03:39.05 | ootput | in debian, is there a way to affix static nameservers in resolv.conf? |
| 03:39.19 | ootput | acidslep: preceeded by a space? |
| 03:39.44 | acidslep | a space following it will make it pick up on it, if i understand correctly, if there is only one word |
| 03:39.49 | ootput | ah, nvm. it appears i can tab-complete g<oogle> and search from there |
| 03:39.53 | acidslep | hahah |
| 03:39.57 | ootput | takes two extra keystrokes |
| 03:40.24 | phoul | acidslep, do you have any experience with fglrx?... |
| 03:40.35 | acidslep | sorry, i have no xp with anything |
| 03:40.43 | acidslep | :'( |
| 03:40.44 | streuner | ootput: using DHCP? |
| 03:40.53 | phoul | I doubt that somehow... but thanks for responding |
| 03:41.00 | acidslep | fglrx video drivers? |
| 03:41.04 | phoul | Yes |
| 03:41.15 | acidslep | hehe, actually i do. but no more than you im sure |
| 03:41.21 | acidslep | never had any problems really |
| 03:41.22 | phoul | I have next to none |
| 03:41.31 | phoul | I cant get direct rendering to work :( |
| 03:41.36 | acidslep | das not good |
| 03:41.39 | phoul | I know |
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| 03:42.16 | phoul | I dont know what to do... if i tell it to use fglrx in the xorg.conf my monitor just turns off, X -configure gives me an error when i run it, And what ever its using right now doesnt use direct rendering |
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| 03:42.21 | phoul | So i have no clue what to do |
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| 03:42.43 | Casper12345 | http://www.refurbdepot.com/category.cfm?PageID=201 |
| 03:43.26 | acidslep | what video card do you have |
| 03:43.44 | phoul | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] |
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| 03:43.59 | phoul | It does work with direct rendering. Its worked before (Not under debian mind you) |
| 03:44.07 | acidslep | duh |
| 03:44.32 | phoul | Duh? |
| 03:44.32 | acidslep | and you didnt find anything good on teh internets? |
| 03:44.37 | phoul | No... |
| 03:44.59 | phoul | I did look however... I found lots of people with a similar issue... but no fix... |
| 03:45.14 | phoul | I really need to get this working.... |
| 03:45.17 | acidslep | why do you talk about direct rendering? isint it that the drivers just dont work for you? |
| 03:45.28 | phoul | Yes and No |
| 03:45.32 | acidslep | no one can use drivers for X1200 then? |
| 03:45.38 | acidslep | non-generic |
| 03:45.40 | phoul | Thats not true... |
| 03:45.55 | phoul | Once again, They can work, They worked before. |
| 03:46.01 | phoul | I cant figure out how to fix this problem however |
| 03:46.21 | acidslep | on debian, the fglrx drivers do not work for the X1200 |
| 03:46.32 | acidslep | right? |
| 03:46.37 | phoul | The only way i can think of, is to remove fglrx, do a x -configure, get the config that works, install fglrx and mod that config |
| 03:46.41 | phoul | Im not saying that |
| 03:46.44 | phoul | Im saying it doesnt work for me |
| 03:46.54 | acidslep | but you said other people had that problem? |
| 03:47.08 | phoul | Yes, Different distros, Its not like google spouts out info for just debian |
| 03:47.24 | acidslep | obviousley |
| 03:47.25 | phoul | And i said similar problem, Not exact |
| 03:47.29 | streuner | that's NO debian issue |
| 03:47.29 | acidslep | ok |
| 03:47.35 | acidslep | chill! |
| 03:47.37 | streuner | it's an ATI issue |
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| 03:47.48 | acidslep | or X |
| 03:47.53 | streuner | no |
| 03:48.05 | acidslep | youd have more luck in #X |
| 03:48.10 | acidslep | or wherever it is |
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| 03:49.41 | acidslep | phoul, in what way do you plan to modify the x config? |
| 03:49.57 | phoul | Change the driver |
| 03:50.24 | acidslep | ... |
| 03:50.40 | acidslep | Hah, pwned again by Remote |
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| 03:51.54 | liable | !ping |
| 03:51.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:51.59 | acidslep | XD |
| 03:52.16 | acidslep | so you have timestamps? |
| 03:52.19 | acidslep | in ms? |
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| 03:55.44 | acidslep | why is the "set" command so full of crap |
| 03:56.00 | acidslep | haha, nice one |
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| 03:57.46 | phoul | Nothing works.. |
| 03:57.47 | phoul | sighs |
| 03:58.20 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:58.21 | Nyle | sorry |
| 03:58.24 | Nyle | would love to help you |
| 03:58.29 | Nyle | but my girl just came online |
| 03:58.31 | Nyle | bye bye |
| 03:58.58 | acidslep | bye |
| 03:59.14 | snogglethorpe | phoul: there's always "wait 6 months until the free drivers start to do 3d".... |
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| 03:59.28 | acidslep | phoul, i totally feel for you. ive got that sort of things that happen |
| 03:59.43 | phoul | Well, If i cant get it working i cant use Debian |
| 03:59.44 | acidslep | 6 months, more than that |
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| 04:00.18 | Nyle | hah |
| 04:00.28 | snogglethorpe | phoul: you might try some forums with more focus on such things |
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| 04:00.38 | snogglethorpe | phoul: e.g., maybe the phoronix forums? |
| 04:00.41 | xelapond1 | hi everyone |
| 04:00.42 | phoul | snogglethorpe, you have no idea how many ive been to today |
| 04:00.46 | acidslep | hi xela! |
| 04:00.47 | xelapond1 | I am trying to set up iptables |
| 04:01.00 | xelapond1 | so I did sudo apt-get install iptables |
| 04:01.08 | xelapond1 | which informed me that it was already installed |
| 04:01.09 | acidslep | phoul, even if it was 100+ he could still have an idea :P |
| 04:01.14 | xelapond1 | but the iptables command is not found |
| 04:01.22 | xelapond1 | How do I get to it? |
| 04:01.28 | acidslep | did you reboot? :P |
| 04:01.33 | xelapond1 | no |
| 04:01.36 | acidslep | i would |
| 04:01.37 | snogglethorpe | phoul: at the least, there's a forum dedicated to fglrx, and some amd employees working on linux stuff that tend to post there |
| 04:01.39 | acidslep | but im a noob |
| 04:01.40 | xelapond1 | but it said it was already installed |
| 04:01.51 | xelapond1 | I assume it came with debian |
| 04:01.53 | xelapond1 | im running lenny |
| 04:01.56 | acidslep | it does |
| 04:02.07 | acidslep | oh i see |
| 04:02.16 | xelapond1 | so then why would I have to reboot? I have already many times |
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| 04:02.54 | chip__ | I've got a surprise udev weirdness: /dev/null and other /dev nodes aren't getting their perms set |
| 04:03.10 | acidslep | mines in /sbin/iptables |
| 04:03.10 | chip__ | I did my usual update and reboot thing, nothing different from usual |
| 04:03.13 | acidslep | i think |
| 04:03.15 | chip__ | anyone else getting a 660 /dev/null? |
| 04:03.19 | chip__ | on reboot |
| 04:03.24 | chip__ | restarting udev is enough too |
| 04:03.55 | chip__ | grr |
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| 04:04.17 | xelapond1 | acidslep: Thats, that did it! |
| 04:04.18 | liable | chip__: check bts. udev was just updated |
| 04:04.21 | acidslep | :) |
| 04:04.39 | acidslep | good luck setting it up |
| 04:04.48 | xelapond1 | thanks |
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| 04:06.40 | chip__ | liable: the package page says 0.124-3 and that's what I have |
| 04:07.02 | liable | chip__: that has nothing to do with what i just said |
| 04:07.03 | elik | wols_, are you still around? |
| 04:07.10 | mohadib | i have a 1.5T ext3 raid 5 partion. Will this take forvere to fsck? |
| 04:07.23 | liable | yes :) |
| 04:07.29 | wols_ | elik: sorta |
| 04:07.45 | elik | wols_, hum, k... reading on ip forwarding |
| 04:07.47 | streuner | liable: no work today? |
| 04:07.52 | wols_ | what about it? |
| 04:08.05 | mohadib | should i use a differient file system for larger partitons? |
| 04:08.07 | elik | wols_, seems like it is for 2 sub nets |
| 04:08.09 | liable | streuner: i'm at work, but not working |
| 04:08.11 | chip__ | liable: then I guess I misunderstood you. Could you unpack your meaning? |
| 04:08.17 | wols_ | elik: so? |
| 04:08.30 | wols_ | if you do NAT you have two subnets as well |
| 04:08.36 | streuner | liable: at work? |
| 04:08.40 | liable | chip__: check the bts for udev. it was recently upgraded, so is likely to have bugs. |
| 04:08.40 | elik | wols_, well, so I put my desktop on a static ip on a different subnet |
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| 04:08.56 | wols_ | elik: yes, and? |
| 04:08.58 | elik | wols_, so ip forwarding will translate between those two |
| 04:09.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 04:09.12 | liable | streuner: no. when i dont have work to do, i dont have to be there |
| 04:09.12 | elik | wols_, is it possible to configure statically with the debian net installer? |
| 04:09.15 | wols_ | can you get to the point please? |
| 04:09.19 | elik | sorry |
| 04:09.19 | wols_ | yes it is |
| 04:09.28 | elik | well, I think it should be fine |
| 04:09.31 | elik | sorry for disturbing |
| 04:09.36 | elik | wols_++ |
| 04:09.38 | chip__ | liable: Ah. yes, I checked. Nothing in bts about missing chmods |
| 04:09.42 | Hatty | Why does openssh-server require X11 libs in Lenny? |
| 04:10.02 | liable | chip__: file one then :) |
| 04:10.05 | chip__ | the main archives don't have the previous udev version around |
| 04:10.09 | wols_ | namit: recommands are the culprit |
| 04:10.10 | chip__ | my system is busted atm |
| 04:10.11 | streuner | Hatty: show us :-) |
| 04:10.17 | chip__ | where can I find slightly old .deb? |
| 04:10.26 | wols_ | !tell chip__ about sdo |
| 04:10.27 | elik | eh |
| 04:10.37 | wols_ | Hatty: ^^ |
| 04:10.38 | liable | sdn |
| 04:10.40 | chip__ | wols_: the bot isn't listening |
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| 04:10.43 | wols_ | !tell chip__ about sdn |
| 04:10.45 | chip__ | ah |
| 04:10.56 | wols_ | Hatty: it recommends xauth which in turn... |
| 04:11.11 | Hatty | streuner its in a vm so i cant paste out of it but it requires, for example, libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcb-xlib0 |
| 04:11.30 | streuner | !depends openssh-server |
| 04:11.30 | Hatty | wols_ is there any way I can make it not reccomend xauth? |
| 04:11.33 | wols_ | Hatty: it does NOT require. it recommends and since lenny recommends is installed by default |
| 04:11.43 | wols_ | Hatty: there is. apt option |
| 04:11.48 | Hatty | Ah |
| 04:11.51 | alpha22333 | just so you know, lenny has issues with lvm betwen kernel and lvm2 modules. |
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| 04:12.03 | dpkg | openssh-server: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8g-9), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.9.0), openssh-client (= 1:4.7p1-12), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), openssh-blacklist |
| 04:12.22 | Hatty | alpha22333 if it crashes its no big deal. Its just for playing around in |
| 04:12.34 | alpha22333 | same lvm created with knoppix the other day, cant mount it becasue of such, but lvm READS it with the GUI Kde lvm app somehow. |
| 04:12.48 | alpha22333 | what is? |
| 04:12.56 | alpha22333 | the lvm, no I have stuuf on it. |
| 04:13.04 | Hatty | no mine is |
| 04:13.09 | alpha22333 | wine,yeah maybe. |
| 04:13.55 | Hatty | wols_ what is the option? |
| 04:14.25 | alpha22333 | ive seen it go further, so i know its not a particular ly wine issue. |
| 04:15.18 | alpha22333 | weird because lenny finds the lvm off a clean install. |
| 04:16.18 | Hatty | wols_ whats the apt option to not install reccomends? |
| 04:16.35 | elik | Hatty, I don't think it installs recommends by default |
| 04:16.43 | alpha22333 | lenny forces reccomends? |
| 04:16.56 | streuner | since when? :-) |
| 04:17.01 | Hatty | [22:11:35] <wols_> Hatty: it does NOT require. it recommends and since lenny recommends is installed by default |
| 04:17.06 | Hatty | Im going off his word |
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| 04:17.39 | elik | well, if wols_ says it... I'm not gonna argue, but I do remember installing packages and then installing the recommended ones... |
| 04:17.58 | streuner | yeah, better do not argue with wols :-) |
| 04:18.21 | Nyle | man |
| 04:18.26 | Nyle | wols doesn't know shit |
| 04:18.34 | Nyle | you should argue with him every chance you get |
| 04:18.37 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 04:20.48 | alpha22333 | isnt opensll fixed with the apt-update command? |
| 04:21.07 | streuner | alpha22333: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:21.33 | streuner | look at the BTS |
| 04:21.43 | martink | Hi guys. My VPS server (debian etch stable) came with sendmail pre-installed, however it seems to be somewhat corrupt as cron is sending me emails every 20 minutes with usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory. The file exists and is executable. Apart from the cron error message everything seems to work fine. Any ideas? |
| 04:21.56 | alpha22333 | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:22.21 | streuner | martink: default in Debian is exim |
| 04:22.52 | alpha22333 | firestarter seems to be filling up the syslog as welll in similar fasion.dmesg is full of nothing but.turned it off. |
| 04:22.55 | streuner | alpha22333: sure, look at the BTS |
| 04:23.08 | alpha22333 | bts? |
| 04:23.13 | streuner | !bts |
| 04:23.13 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 04:23.56 | phoul | well thats one issue down |
| 04:23.57 | phoul | now a new one |
| 04:24.05 | phoul | i have no 'pcm' for my audio.. =| |
| 04:24.06 | alpha22333 | No maintainer for lvm. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 04:24.28 | streuner | dpkg, bts =~ s/sid/unstable/ |
| 04:24.28 | alpha22333 | There is no record of the lvm package, and no bugs have been filed against it. hmmmm. |
| 04:24.29 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
| 04:24.34 | martink | streuner: Ok, anyway, exim is no longer installed and instead I find a (broken?) sendmail installation. |
| 04:24.48 | phoul | any ideas on why pcm would be... gone |
| 04:25.12 | streuner | martink: well, blame the guy who installed sendmail then :-) |
| 04:25.58 | martink | streuner: Yes, I am doing that, however, I don't trust him with fixing it:) and they will probably charge me for it. |
| 04:26.00 | phoul | anyone?... |
| 04:26.03 | alpha22333 | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/lvm2 gives me the same info that synaptic does.numbers match up. |
| 04:26.16 | streuner | dpkg, bts =~ s/sid/unstable/ |
| 04:26.17 | dpkg | OK, streuner |
| 04:26.29 | phoul | dpkg, pcm |
| 04:26.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, pcm is Pulse Code Modulation, an encoding that represts intensity for several samples. In the case of audio, each sample is how far the speaker should go out or in to produce sound. two channels at 44100 samples per second each, or 44100 hertz is CD quality |
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| 04:26.48 | martink | streuner: I am fine with uninstalling sendmail, but it is a production server and I would like to be sure I don't break anything. Can I uninstall/re-install sendmail without breaking anything? |
| 04:27.00 | phoul | How on earth... do you get PCM... |
| 04:27.03 | martink | streuner: And how do I do that? just apt-get remote sendmail? |
| 04:27.25 | alpha22333 | remove u mean? |
| 04:27.31 | streuner | Don't even touch a MTA if you have no clue :-) |
| 04:27.32 | martink | thats right:) |
| 04:27.44 | alpha22333 | ~ s/sid? i get 404 on that. |
| 04:29.04 | streuner | martink: who installed that on the production server? |
| 04:29.23 | GillaGal | How can I force apache to obey the ErrorDocument set in my virtualhost config instead of the apache2.conf? |
| 04:29.43 | alpha22333 | i've used .htaccess files. |
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| 04:30.10 | phoul | anyone know why PCM would be gone from my alsamixer... i cant find anything on google about it |
| 04:30.10 | phoul | :( |
| 04:30.12 | martink | streuner: The service provider. I guess I should go to them and ask, but that will take time and as I am resposible for the server I rather have things on it I know how they work. And a broken sendmail installation is not part of that |
| 04:30.40 | phoul | Is there something that pcm requires? like ESD or pulse audio?... |
| 04:30.46 | streuner | martink: ok, just ask them |
| 04:31.18 | alpha22333 | phoul-- why would PCM be missing? sound like an installer fault.or maybe it couldnt find your s/c driver. |
| 04:31.39 | phoul | finds the driver |
| 04:31.46 | phoul | finds all the mixers but PCM =\ |
| 04:31.47 | martink | streuner: Ok, well thanks anyway. So too much risk uninstalling sendmail and installing something else? |
| 04:31.49 | {Matteo} | hi all. I'm having issues with getting debian etch recognizing my pcmcia wireless network card (exterasys xn-2423g). anyone got any ideas on how to get it to work? |
| 04:31.58 | alpha22333 | bug with kmix? |
| 04:32.08 | phoul | im using alsamixer to check |
| 04:32.32 | alpha22333 | could be the same.....never had it missing. |
| 04:32.40 | elik | wols_, I configured my laptop to have .2.3 address, and my desktop .2.4 The desktop gateway is .2.3, and the dns, not too sure.. I set it to .0.1 (which is the router's address) |
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| 04:33.06 | elik | wols_, I watch packet coming on my wired interface, I see dns querry, but no reply |
| 04:33.13 | elik | wols_, I did enable ip forwarding |
| 04:33.30 | alpha22333 | it the router properly configed? |
| 04:33.32 | streuner | martink: you shouldn't use a MTA with no clue ™ |
| 04:34.31 | streuner | you can always use smarthost... |
| 04:34.41 | phoul | Even if no one has any idea, an answer would be nice... |
| 04:34.43 | phoul | shrugs |
| 04:34.53 | streuner | less risk and no big deal to configure... |
| 04:34.53 | {Matteo} | iwconfig lists that there are no devices, the card does not light up indicating that i has been initialized |
| 04:34.57 | streuner | !smarthost |
| 04:34.57 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipient’s server. |
| 04:35.43 | streuner | did you have a driver for that NIC? |
| 04:35.48 | streuner | s/did/do/ |
| 04:36.03 | elik | wols_, how would the router know how to reply to that request? it has no idea where the 192.168.2.0 network is located at... |
| 04:36.32 | {Matteo} | this is my first time trying debian on this laptop, it worked out of the box on ubuntu |
| 04:36.50 | streuner | !laptop |
| 04:36.50 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
| 04:37.08 | streuner | look for tips and trics there |
| 04:37.30 | streuner | Debian doesn't provide firmware... |
| 04:37.37 | {Matteo} | hopefully they have some information on this dinosaur |
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| 04:37.54 | streuner | what kind of laptop and what kind of NIC? |
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| 04:38.48 | {Matteo} | compaq 700, xterasys xn-2423g |
| 04:38.57 | {Matteo} | presario |
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| 04:41.04 | streuner | hm, no entry for that |
| 04:41.43 | Hatty | I've added the following to /etc/apt/apt.conf and yet apt-get install openssh-server is still trying to install xauth. I did apt-config dump | grep Recc to verify that they were being read as config. |
| 04:41.43 | Hatty | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false"; |
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| 04:43.21 | {Matteo} | ah well I'll just stick with ubuntu, but even under ubuntu I have issues. network interface fails if I try to connect to an open network X-D |
| 04:44.03 | martink | streuner: The problem is not the MTA per se, but the sendmail installation on debian. I am fine with postfix for example, but I am fairly new to debian. So somehow it seems like the sendmail installation on debian is corrupted. For example the dpkg -L sendmail only shows 13 files and no binaries. Is it possible to reinstall sendmail without breaking current configuration? |
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| 04:48.14 | phoul | Hey all.. one issue into another it seems, Does anyone know if theres an ETA on fixing audacious, Since they released 1.5.1 and the plugins isnt for that version its rather... broken |
| 04:48.30 | karsten | clear |
| 04:48.38 | phoul | Im just curious sincei f its not for a long time prolly i'll attempt an upgrade to sid, I used to run that a long time ago... |
| 04:49.09 | karsten | notes that irss isn't his shell |
| 04:49.19 | stony | morning |
| 04:50.10 | dga | what exactly is installed when choosing the "laptop" option in tasksel on the debian netinstall cd? and is there a way to make the "desktop system" option install kde instead of gnome? |
| 04:50.44 | Bladesman | apt-cache show laptop |
| 04:51.28 | dga | i don't have a running system yet |
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| 04:51.58 | karsten | dga: yes to #2 and you can show the dependencies though I'm not sure about expanding them out. |
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| 04:52.05 | Nyle | stony, hi |
| 04:52.11 | Nyle | ok I'm back |
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| 04:52.14 | Nyle | phoul, ping |
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| 04:53.04 | Nyle | phoul, if fglrx is making your monitor go crazy, then it means you probably need to fine tune the modes in xorg.conf (as xorg isn't autodetecting correctly) |
| 04:53.22 | Nyle | phoul, your other option is to use the free drivers |
| 04:53.43 | Nyle | phoul, which card do you have? lspci|grep VGA |
| 04:54.33 | dga | karsten: how do i tell it to install kde instead of gnome? |
| 04:55.17 | Nyle | dga, yes |
| 04:55.29 | Nyle | you can install kde however not from tasksel at this time |
| 04:55.35 | dga | oh ok |
| 04:55.48 | Nyle | it is done as a boot param |
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| 04:56.03 | Nyle | or through a preseeded custom tasksel config |
| 04:56.24 | Nyle | or after tasksel is finished (do not select the desktop task otherwise you will have xfce/gnome/kde all installed) |
| 04:56.31 | Nyle | the default dependencies are fucked up majorly |
| 04:56.43 | Bladesman | Oops. Try: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 04:56.59 | dga | ok |
| 04:57.09 | Nyle | dga, /msg dpkg install kde |
| 04:57.23 | Nyle | dga, simplest thing to do is to download the KDE cd |
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| 04:57.38 | dga | yeah i did that |
| 04:57.43 | Nyle | you did not. |
| 04:57.48 | dga | yeah i did |
| 04:57.52 | dga | kde cd 1 |
| 04:57.55 | Nyle | did you use it? |
| 04:57.58 | dga | no |
| 04:58.18 | Nyle | why not? |
| 04:58.19 | liable | ... |
| 04:58.39 | Nyle | liable, dot dot dot |
| 04:58.43 | Nyle | whats up |
| 04:58.49 | dga | i was hoping to be able to use the network install cd to avoid installing a lot of stuff i don't need |
| 04:58.52 | Bladesman | Stars. |
| 04:59.03 | liable | not much |
| 04:59.06 | Nyle | dga, I see |
| 04:59.32 | liable | dga: just install kde after the first boot then |
| 04:59.44 | Nyle | dga, what liable said |
| 04:59.52 | gnunixguy | apt-get install kde-base? |
| 05:00.03 | Nyle | s/apt-get/aptitude |
| 05:00.08 | Nyle | kde-core |
| 05:00.18 | gnunixguy | aha, thats what it was :) thank you nyle! |
| 05:00.26 | gnunixguy | been a while since i ran the kde install :) |
| 05:00.38 | Nyle | sure |
| 05:00.47 | Nyle | gnunixguy, /msg dpkg install kde |
| 05:00.54 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 05:00.54 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 05:01.01 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 05:01.01 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 05:01.06 | gnunixguy | meh, i already have it installed |
| 05:01.08 | dga | "To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt." |
| 05:01.23 | dga | that's what i want to do right? |
| 05:01.27 | Nyle | no |
| 05:01.30 | Nyle | you cannot do so anymore |
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| 05:01.45 | liable | he can if he starts again |
| 05:01.48 | Nyle | as I stated previously, you are now unable to pass the boot param to the installer |
| 05:01.56 | Nyle | I doubt he would want to reinstall |
| 05:02.00 | dga | yeah i will |
| 05:02.04 | Nyle | just finish your installation |
| 05:02.07 | Bladesman | How do you search the wiki pages with only links2? |
| 05:02.14 | Nyle | then after you reboot |
| 05:02.19 | Nyle | aptitude install kde-core |
| 05:02.22 | Nyle | thats all |
| 05:02.31 | liable | and xorg |
| 05:02.31 | Nyle | you do not need to reinstall debian in order to install kde |
| 05:02.35 | chip__ | liable: found it |
| 05:02.41 | Nyle | liable, thank you |
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| 05:02.43 | Nyle | and xorg |
| 05:02.43 | chip__ | liable: dmsetup added a rules file that borked everything |
| 05:02.46 | Nyle | !setup x |
| 05:02.46 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
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| 05:03.00 | liable | chip__: nice one. |
| 05:03.02 | chip__ | debugging udev is SUCH fun |
| 05:03.11 | chip__ | liable: had a goto nowhere and of course udev doesn't complain it just EXITS |
| 05:03.27 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:03.27 | liable | handy |
| 05:03.34 | Nyle | chip__, what was the issue? |
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| 05:03.39 | Nyle | (just curious) |
| 05:03.59 | chip__ | Nyle: dmsetup /etc/udev/rules.d/<mumble> added |
| 05:04.10 | chip__ | Nyle: it has a "if foo goto bar", and "bar" is invalid |
| 05:04.25 | chip__ | Nyle: therefore udev says "oh, goto nowhere, fine, IGNORE ALL OTHER RULES ENTIRELY AND DO NOT EXIT OR PRINT ERORR" |
| 05:04.31 | chip__ | udev can be SUCH a bitch |
| 05:05.22 | Nyle | i see |
| 05:05.52 | Nyle | my gf is watching the new batman movie as we speak... I'm stuck home |
| 05:05.57 | Nyle | life can be SUCH a bitch |
| 05:05.59 | Nyle | ;) |
| 05:06.22 | Nyle | i want to see that and Hellboy II |
| 05:06.32 | Nyle | but for now I might watch back to the future 3 |
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| 05:06.41 | Nyle | OR I might watch Stephen King's IT |
| 05:06.45 | Nyle | I am not sure yet |
| 05:06.55 | Nyle | I am however sure I need to get away from #debian for a while |
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| 05:07.04 | PinkFreud | meh. reading Stephen King's The Dark Tower. |
| 05:07.08 | chip__ | well rebooting in hope |
| 05:07.15 | Nyle | good luck buddy |
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| 05:07.22 | PinkFreud | epic story, to say the least |
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| 05:07.33 | Nyle | I've not read that yet |
| 05:07.35 | Nyle | I love King |
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| 05:07.41 | PinkFreud | about halfway through the last book :) |
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| 05:07.46 | Nyle | cool |
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| 05:08.35 | PinkFreud | good stuff. only problem is finding the time to read it. :P |
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| 05:08.48 | Nyle | ohhhh |
| 05:08.52 | Nyle | I'm on amd64 |
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| 05:08.58 | Nyle | mplayer won't play .rvmb files |
| 05:09.03 | Nyle | :( |
| 05:09.06 | PinkFreud | hmmm |
| 05:09.14 | Nyle | I need w32codecs |
| 05:09.25 | PinkFreud | there's a w64codecs package out, iirc |
| 05:09.30 | Nyle | for debian? |
| 05:09.42 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 05:09.42 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 05:09.52 | PinkFreud | off of debian-multimedia |
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| 05:09.59 | PinkFreud | heh, yep, there. |
| 05:10.44 | PinkFreud | Package: w64codecs |
| 05:10.44 | PinkFreud | Versions: |
| 05:10.44 | PinkFreud | 1:20071007-0.3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) (/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
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| 05:10.50 | Nyle | word |
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| 05:12.01 | PinkFreud | worst case, I've found that using schroot to maintain an ia32 tree is handy. |
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| 05:12.14 | Hatty | I'm using Lenny |
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| 05:12.38 | PinkFreud | $ schroot mplayer ... |
| 05:12.39 | PinkFreud | :) |
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| 05:12.51 | PinkFreud | bleh |
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| 05:12.59 | PinkFreud | freenode's having a few issues |
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| 05:13.28 | jimmybgood | where to get recent, but superseded version of packages now that snapshot.debian.net has stopped updating |
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| 05:14.48 | jigp | hello is there a yahoo messenger voice chat and conference ?what kind of client to use pls? |
| 05:15.13 | jigp | and also is it posible to voie chat in skype? |
| 05:15.15 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:15.17 | Nyle | hey |
| 05:15.26 | jigp | Nyle |
| 05:15.27 | Nyle | w64 codecs package has like 3 .so files |
| 05:15.28 | Nyle | thats all |
| 05:15.39 | Nyle | jigp, not sure |
| 05:15.41 | jigp | w64? |
| 05:15.48 | Nyle | I don't use yahoo, I think maybe gaim |
| 05:15.49 | Nyle | or pidgin |
| 05:15.51 | Nyle | probably |
| 05:15.58 | jigp | w64? whats that?a client? |
| 05:16.03 | Nyle | not for you |
| 05:16.16 | Nyle | jigp, w64codecs for me not for you |
| 05:16.28 | Nyle | jigp, look into program called 'gaim' or 'pidgin' |
| 05:16.42 | Nyle | not sure but Kopete may do it too |
| 05:16.46 | Nyle | PinkFreud, hi |
| 05:16.54 | Nyle | PinkFreud, 3 .so files inside w64codecs |
| 05:17.17 | PinkFreud | eww |
| 05:17.19 | PinkFreud | does it? |
| 05:17.22 | Nyle | yeh |
| 05:17.24 | Nyle | only 3 |
| 05:17.25 | PinkFreud | I haven't looked |
| 05:17.27 | Nyle | however the movie works |
| 05:17.36 | PinkFreud | there's a start :) |
| 05:17.42 | Nyle | I wonder if they bunbled all codecs into 3 libraries |
| 05:17.48 | Nyle | hm |
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| 05:17.53 | PinkFreud | possible |
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| 05:18.29 | Bladesman | Be sure to check out debian-unofficial. Good packages there. |
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| 05:19.41 | Nyle | link |
| 05:20.00 | Bladesman | sees if he can find it. |
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| 05:21.43 | Bladesman | http://www.debian-unofficial.org/packages.html |
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| 05:22.46 | Bladesman | recommends lame. |
| 05:22.50 | owen1 | where can i get retune (for sync my ipod)? |
| 05:23.13 | Nyle | Hot-babe is a small graphical utility which displays the system activity in a very special way. When the CPU is idle, it displays a dressed girl, and when the activity goes up, as the temperature increases, the girl begins to undress, to finish totally naked when the system activity reaches 100%. Of course, if you can be shocked by nudity, don't use it! |
| 05:23.21 | Nyle | i will get the hot babe packages |
| 05:23.21 | Nyle | ! |
| 05:23.22 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:23.53 | Bladesman | Crap. You would let a blind guy know that. |
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| 05:24.42 | Nyle | well |
| 05:24.42 | Bladesman | shrugs and installs it for his friends. |
| 05:24.45 | infotron | braile pr0n |
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| 05:24.49 | Nyle | I used to do tech support at cox comm. |
| 05:24.55 | Nyle | this guy called in one time |
| 05:24.56 | Nyle | blind guy |
| 05:24.58 | PinkFreud | lol |
| 05:25.01 | Nyle | wanted to order someporn |
| 05:25.03 | Nyle | ppv |
| 05:25.12 | Nyle | blind guy wanted to order pay per view porn! |
| 05:25.13 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 05:25.26 | PinkFreud | pay per touch? |
| 05:25.27 | Nyle | half the call center was laughing thier balls off |
| 05:25.28 | Bladesman | Did he ask for pic descriptions in detail? |
| 05:25.44 | PinkFreud | no, pay per grope. |
| 05:25.45 | infotron | was it closed captioned? |
| 05:25.48 | PinkFreud | that's it. |
| 05:25.49 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 05:26.12 | dondelelcaro | #debian-offtopic is that way... |
| 05:26.34 | PinkFreud | hehe |
| 05:27.01 | infotron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.19 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | in mexico |
| 05:28.22 | Bladesman | No soup for you! |
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| 05:30.12 | phorce1 | jigp: Try looking at the two forks of this older program (gyachE and gyachI). He has links to the forks on his page. Y! with voice chat: http://gyach.bc2va.org/ |
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| 05:34.31 | owen1 | i removed a file with rm. is there a way to undo? |
| 05:35.06 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | owen1: Try file recovery software |
| 05:35.15 | SpeedyG | g'morning |
| 05:35.19 | owen1 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: ok |
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| 05:35.22 | wols | owen1: ext3? |
| 05:35.28 | owen1 | wols: yes. |
| 05:35.36 | wols | then not really. |
| 05:36.05 | owen1 | where can i get retune? it's a small python app to sync my nano. |
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| 05:39.40 | phorce1 | hmmm debian-unofficial.org looked like a good idea. Too bad they no longer appear to update it. |
| 05:39.56 | oompa_loompa | what do I need to do in order for OpenGL to create fonts |
| 05:39.58 | oompa_loompa | ? |
| 05:40.06 | oompa_loompa | ERROR: couldn't create font (glGenLists) |
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| 05:46.21 | elik | wols, hey, finally, ip masquerade did the trick |
| 05:46.33 | elik | wols, I don't think it was possible with simple ip forwarding |
| 05:47.10 | elik | wols, since my router cannot be configured enought o reply to 192.168.2.N... just have a home D-Link here |
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| 05:49.30 | Dewi | greps 6MiB of code for a pattern, and it's 1300 times faster with LANG=C to disable unicode. 66 seconds -> 0.05 seconds. |
| 05:49.55 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: how many times did you replicate that? |
| 05:49.55 | jetscreamer | what happened to the internet |
| 05:50.01 | elik | Dewi, you changed your locale? |
| 05:50.08 | elik | jetscreamer, it collasped |
| 05:50.21 | jetscreamer | yes i noticed |
| 05:50.22 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: several. I've been aware of this for months, but this is the biggest difference I've seen so far. Usually it's only ~10 times faster |
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| 05:50.38 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it seems to depend on the pattern. '.*' is very very bad |
| 05:50.51 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, it'll depend on the pattern |
| 05:50.53 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I habitually type LANG=C grep instead of grep these days |
| 05:51.06 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: but if you're not using egrep, it shouldn't be very much of a difference |
| 05:51.11 | simonrvn | *cough* alias *cough* |
| 05:51.20 | Dewi | just grep -i |
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| 05:51.29 | dondelelcaro | oh, well, that'd be why |
| 05:51.31 | Dewi | the -i has unicode implications too of course |
| 05:51.38 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: where are you located? I'm having trouble getting some places from here in Texas but others go fine. |
| 05:51.38 | jetscreamer | debian.org is on the other side of the broken internet for me |
| 05:51.46 | jetscreamer | texas, houston |
| 05:51.55 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: try a different mirror |
| 05:52.00 | jetscreamer | i can't reach about 1/2 the us |
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| 05:52.08 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: www.nl.debian.org, FE. |
| 05:52.13 | jetscreamer | no, i can't ping debian.org |
| 05:52.18 | jetscreamer | i'm all updated |
| 05:52.20 | elik | jetscreamer, are you serious? |
| 05:52.25 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 05:52.42 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: phorce1 == Texas, Silsbee (about 90 miles SE of Houston). Must be a backbone router dead somewhere. |
| 05:53.08 | jetscreamer | i can reach google and yahoo, but not cal tech or so |
| 05:53.09 | elik | well... I can ping debian.org |
| 05:53.40 | simonrvn | been like this all week... wondering wtf's going on |
| 05:53.54 | Dewi | jetscreamer: the other day here in QLD, Australia, one contractor sliced a single optic fibre cable. Much of the state was without internet, land-lines, cell-phones, cash machines for most of the day. |
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| 05:54.04 | simonrvn | 'bout an hour ago i was having 20-40% packet loss to a google host |
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| 05:54.31 | elik | That's funny... it sounds like apocalypse |
| 05:54.33 | jetscreamer | yeah i can't reach cambridge harvard or mit |
| 05:54.37 | Dewi | jetscreamer: the one alternate route (hundreds of kms from any city) had a H/W meltdown and they had to helicopter new parts in |
| 05:54.39 | jetscreamer | google sure... |
| 05:54.45 | jetscreamer | nobody messes with goog |
| 05:55.15 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: It appears to definitely be backbone related. My Sprint T-1 works fine but my ATT/DSL connection doesn't. |
| 05:55.23 | simonrvn | fuck, they have their own ip blocks and asn... |
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| 05:55.39 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: I have no idea which backbone host the DSL connection hits first. |
| 05:55.46 | jetscreamer | i can reach the uni of melbourne though |
| 05:55.57 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: wow, without the -i it's not much of a problem |
| 05:56.14 | simonrvn | isc.sans.org |
| 05:56.23 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: insignificant difference |
| 05:56.23 | jetscreamer | well least i have ya'll ... |
| 05:56.32 | simonrvn | meh |
| 05:56.47 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: yes, at least you're here now |
| 05:57.02 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes; lowercasing unicode is significantly more expensive than lowercasing non-unicode |
| 05:57.04 | simonrvn | (the meh was for isc having nothing effing useful...) |
| 05:57.05 | obmij | aptitude install utorrent fails :( |
| 05:57.15 | elik | is that ISP related, or you think it's at a higher level |
| 05:57.19 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: > 1000 times more expensive? |
| 05:57.24 | obmij | what's the utorrent package name? |
| 05:57.33 | obmij | mutorrent? youtorrent? |
| 05:57.33 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes |
| 05:57.34 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: or does somebody need to hash a lookup table... :P |
| 05:57.48 | elik | jetscreamer, is that ISP related, or you think it's at a higher level |
| 05:57.51 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: in the case of non-unicode, it's just a single & operatoin |
| 05:58.02 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: which is going to be way faster than a hash lookup |
| 05:58.22 | jetscreamer | my guess is higher but i'm basing that on no data |
| 05:58.23 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: Maybe we're finally seceding from the union |
| 05:58.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: indeed |
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| 05:59.09 | obmij | hello ? |
| 05:59.10 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: who is your provider? |
| 05:59.16 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: I'd imagine that you'd find grep '[fF][oO][oO]' to be quite a bit faster than grep -i 'foo' |
| 05:59.23 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: but the thing is, we're only talking about the pattern |
| 05:59.41 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: heh, nope. |
| 05:59.43 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it should only need to expand all the possibilities for each pattern char once |
| 05:59.47 | elik | jetscreamer, that's really surprising, up to today, I was still under the impression that the internet was failsafe |
| 05:59.58 | jetscreamer | phorce1: att... |
| 05:59.59 | phorce1 | elik: hardly |
| 06:00.04 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: or at least, that's how it should be implemented |
| 06:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no, it has to do it every time it attempts a match with that character |
| 06:00.16 | elik | jetscreamer, so when I told you it was collapsing, it was just a big joke |
| 06:00.27 | jetscreamer | but you were right :) |
| 06:00.35 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: can't it preprocess -i to turn 'a' into '[Aa...]' ? |
| 06:00.35 | obmij | alright, what is your favorite torrent application and how do you install it in Debian? |
| 06:00.40 | elik | phorce1, well, I know that stuff go down here and there.. but isn't internet all about redundancy? |
| 06:00.55 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: taht's the lines I'm having problems with, my ATT connection. May just be a problem with them. I just wish I could get my machines to handle multiple routes better. |
| 06:01.05 | obmij | I can't seem to install utorrent or bittorrent :(... aptitude can't find utorrent and doesn't install bittorrent |
| 06:01.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: or does the list depend on what is being matched against? |
| 06:01.27 | elik | obmij, I think there is one installed by default in gnome |
| 06:01.39 | obmij | eh? I have gnome |
| 06:01.43 | obmij | what's it called? |
| 06:01.47 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: in a simple regex, presumably, but in complex ones, it wouldn't necessarily work |
| 06:01.50 | jetscreamer | obmij: azureus is probably what you want.. but utorrent works flawlessly under wine i hear |
| 06:01.51 | obmij | gtorrent? :) |
| 06:02.01 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: I also don't know how -i is actually implemented in grep |
| 06:02.04 | obmij | ahh ok I'll grab azureus |
| 06:02.04 | elik | obmij, I dunno, I just have bittorrent and never really requested it, I think |
| 06:02.15 | elik | obmij, yeah, azureus is fine too |
| 06:02.20 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: My T-1 is working fine but most of my net enabled software wants to route through the ATT IP by default and doesn't fail-over to the T-1 IP even if I unplug the ATT network cable. |
| 06:02.21 | elik | obmij, more options, more infos |
| 06:02.26 | jetscreamer | obmij: probably in non-free or contrib but i dunno |
| 06:02.32 | obmij | oh |
| 06:02.40 | obmij | how do I add non-free to my sources.list? |
| 06:02.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I'm disappointed in you :) |
| 06:02.47 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 06:02.47 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 06:03.03 | phorce1 | azureus is a resource hog |
| 06:03.07 | jetscreamer | !tell obmij -about non-free sources |
| 06:03.10 | dondelelcaro | grep's search implementation isn't particularly interesting; perl's is far more useful |
| 06:03.17 | phorce1 | uses rtorrent |
| 06:03.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I wonder if I should file a bug. Hard to tell if it's a libs bug or a grep bug though, really |
| 06:03.28 | elik | that's cli right? |
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| 06:03.49 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: heh. Perl doesn't even attempt to default to unicode like the rest of the OS |
| 06:03.52 | obmij | btw |
| 06:03.58 | phorce1 | elik: yes, cli |
| 06:03.58 | obmij | so far I've loved Debian |
| 06:04.07 | elik | jetscreamer, that's what is nice about internet.. when something fail, nobody ever talk about it... |
| 06:04.09 | obmij | it's a huge breath of fresh air from Gentoo |
| 06:04.13 | elik | well, get used to it |
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| 06:04.16 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I doubt perl is affected by $LANG at all |
| 06:04.18 | obmij | no offense to Gentoo lovers :P |
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| 06:04.21 | elik | cause it will stay like that :P |
| 06:04.34 | \amethyst | Dewi: C isn't affected by $LANG at all unless you make a specific API call |
| 06:04.38 | jetscreamer | usually it can be routed around,k but i dunno why it's not |
| 06:04.55 | Dewi | \amethyst: naturally |
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| 06:05.18 | Dewi | \amethyst: but C programs in debian do make those calls |
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| 06:06.10 | Dewi | \amethyst: I wouldn't expect C to, because I don't think C is a string-centric language. But I am quite critical of the unicode situation in perl and PHP |
| 06:06.14 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: the "backup routing" may send your packets to Siberia and back. www.debian.org may actually load if you can get a browser to wait 5 or 10 minutes before timing out |
| 06:06.36 | elik | jetscreamer, hey, if I install deiban on a partition, and I will use grub, do I need to make it bootable? |
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| 06:06.43 | simonrvn | jetscreamer, elik: well, i think it's lower level, since it's affecting several networks, and over several days. |
| 06:06.54 | obmij | lol it says azureus is broken |
| 06:06.57 | jetscreamer | elik: no but i do it anyway |
| 06:06.59 | obmij | score is somewhere around -9000 |
| 06:07.09 | Dewi | \amethyst: but anyway, it's not really the point. The point is grep -i performance is unusably bad in debian at the moment |
| 06:07.13 | PinkFreud | Dewi: according to the perluniintro doc, utf8 is the default as of 5.8.0 |
| 06:07.19 | PinkFreud | shrugs |
| 06:07.28 | obmij | ok I installed bittorrent, but when I type bittorrent in a shell it says not found |
| 06:07.31 | obmij | where should I go? |
| 06:07.39 | Dewi | PinkFreud: really? I apologise then, I thought it was all 8-bit naive still |
| 06:07.43 | jetscreamer | you want btdownloadgui |
| 06:07.58 | valdyn | obmij: dpkg -l bittorrent | grep bin |
| 06:07.58 | jetscreamer | the executable is named that |
| 06:08.19 | jetscreamer | or btdownload-gui |
| 06:08.24 | elik | obmij, you can also go in your menu in internet, there is a shortcut |
| 06:08.27 | jetscreamer | start it with that command |
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| 06:08.48 | PinkFreud | Dewi: actually, not so much the default, as supposedly having the ability to detect whether the data it's parsing is unicode or not |
| 06:09.00 | elik | obmij, and if it installed properly, your browsers should start it automatically upon opening of a .torrent file |
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| 06:09.03 | PinkFreud | I don't deal with much unicode, so I can't tell you how well it works |
| 06:09.05 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 06:10.03 | infotron | PinkFreud: UE�q���v����HL���$�ĵ�� B��ÆÂa>�C��Yy���8�ʨ8�(�!UBVL\�{��,�@��p\[��d����ɡ��W���u�]w�Bk^]k`�� |
| 06:10.10 | \amethyst | Dewi: the scary thing is "For operations where Perl can unambiguously decide that the input data are characters, Perl switches to character semantics." |
| 06:11.12 | PinkFreud | infotron: I agree completely |
| 06:11.14 | obmij | it's not in the internet menu |
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| 06:11.33 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 06:11.37 | PinkFreud | anyway, I'm out |
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| 06:12.06 | elik | If I install debian on a Core2 duo, which kernel should I take? 2.6-486 2.6-686, 2.6.24-1-486 or 2.6.24-1-686? |
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| 06:12.26 | infotron | elik: amd64! |
| 06:12.32 | rhys | ahhh sweet #debian. where RMS lurks in the shadows of every keyboard. |
| 06:12.41 | ivee | hehe |
| 06:13.16 | rhys | elik: stability. use 2.4 |
| 06:13.30 | elik | yarr, downloaded the i386 net install |
| 06:13.39 | rhys | elik: i think 2.6 is just a metapackage to the current kernel. |
| 06:13.47 | rhys | i would suggest using 686, not 486. |
| 06:13.48 | infotron | elik: but c2d can do 64bit |
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| 06:13.50 | elik | rhys, oh, k |
| 06:14.11 | elik | infotron, well, ok, but isn't that a bit more risky |
| 06:14.14 | obmij | wait do I need contrib non-free for debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 06:14.17 | rhys | elik: and what he said. there is no real reason NOT to use 64 bit unless your doing something really crazy. unlike windows, things just get recompileds so things work. |
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| 06:14.25 | infotron | elik: risky how? |
| 06:14.37 | rhys | elik: risky? yea. the extra bits will rise up to murder you if you anger them |
| 06:14.51 | rhys | there are less bits to revolt if you use 32 bit. |
| 06:14.52 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 06:14.53 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 06:14.55 | infotron | ahhhaha |
| 06:15.12 | elik | infotron, rhys, well, is everything tested for for both architectures at the same time? |
| 06:15.32 | infotron | it's rock solid here |
| 06:15.41 | elik | infotron, well, I guess I'm affraid because of the Windows world, where most things are broken on x64 |
| 06:15.47 | infotron | and trust me, I tend to kick the crap out of my box |
| 06:15.49 | rhys | elik: its called source code. |
| 06:15.52 | rhys | tends to fix that |
| 06:15.54 | elik | infotron, and it all gets released at the same time? |
| 06:15.55 | jetscreamer | damn i can't reach my site |
| 06:16.02 | rhys | as for testing, not sure of the "debian way" as it were. |
| 06:16.06 | elik | lol at jetscreamer |
| 06:16.17 | infotron | elik: in parallel. debian supports some 14 forks now? I lost count. |
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| 06:16.31 | jetscreamer | you mean arch's? |
| 06:16.37 | infotron | yeah. arch :) |
| 06:16.44 | elik | spark and such |
| 06:16.47 | rhys | elik: debian is not windows. windows has some nastiness because they are binary only. |
| 06:16.58 | rhys | elik: sparc* |
| 06:16.58 | elik | rhys, sounds reasonnable enough |
| 06:17.01 | rtrfix | any tips to find a hex editing/editor channel? |
| 06:17.04 | elik | oh, sry |
| 06:17.10 | obmij | ok honestly bittorrent is not installing and azureus is marked as broke |
| 06:17.10 | infotron | windows is crapware because only a few can fix the bugs. |
| 06:17.13 | obmij | what's going on ... ? |
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| 06:17.17 | jetscreamer | !info hexedit |
| 06:17.19 | dpkg | hexedit: (view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.2.12-3 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 06:17.25 | rhys | yea. hey all, on his point, what about the binary blobs? |
| 06:17.28 | valdyn | obmij: which debian release are you on? |
| 06:17.31 | rhys | flash, java, etc. |
| 06:17.32 | obmij | lenny |
| 06:17.34 | rhys | + 64bit |
| 06:17.37 | elik | rhys, infotron, oh, no worries, I prefer the linux side by far |
| 06:17.42 | valdyn | obmij: try the transmission client |
| 06:17.54 | rhys | elik: honestly they all suck and have their downsides. some things just suck less. |
| 06:17.57 | jetscreamer | obmij: you start bittorrent with the command 'btdownload-gui' or 'btdownloadgui' |
| 06:17.57 | elik | rhys, infotron, just didn't want to delay updates on Lenny because of that |
| 06:18.16 | obmij | dpkg -l bittorrent | grep bin found nothing |
| 06:18.16 | dpkg | ii bittorrent | grep bin found nothing 3.7-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:18.19 | rhys | btw, i really need to get around to reading about dwm so I have X on this box... |
| 06:18.19 | jetscreamer | obmij: type btdown<tabkey> |
| 06:18.22 | infotron | rhys: you can install 32bit parallel versions of some of those. eg, firefox etc |
| 06:18.24 | rhys | pfft. who needs X |
| 06:18.30 | rhys | infotron: ahhhh. solution |
| 06:18.34 | valdyn | obmij: obmij sorry, dpkg -L, big L |
| 06:18.55 | obmij | it gives btdownload ... but command not found |
| 06:19.06 | jetscreamer | hit tab again |
| 06:19.11 | jetscreamer | it will give you a list |
| 06:19.22 | obmij | btdownloadcurses |
| 06:19.30 | elik | rhys, infotron, sorry, some of Windows 64 bit fear brushed on my linux side |
| 06:19.34 | obmij | and btdownloadheadless |
| 06:19.45 | jetscreamer | ah you don't have the 'gui' part |
| 06:19.47 | elik | rhys, infotron, just gonna download that amd64 version |
| 06:19.48 | jetscreamer | i guess |
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| 06:19.59 | mishohimself | Hey, guys! I just installed etch, changed the repos to lenny, added sud and experimental, as required by the debian kde team and installed the "kde4" package from the experimental repo with aptitude, I also installed kdm. I rebooted and what I had was a perfectly working kdm (with no mouse). I typed in my password and I got an error. Something for missing Xsession. I tried to install "xsession" package, but the only thing I found was something called |
| 06:19.59 | mishohimself | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.05 | jetscreamer | i used to use bittornado for the gui but that was a while ago |
| 06:20.05 | infotron | elik: that's understandable. I know a friend that's tried the win-x64 and is burned daily on it. |
| 06:20.07 | mishohimself | Please help |
| 06:20.36 | obmij | oh, so that's just the protocol libs? |
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| 06:20.52 | jetscreamer | it might mean ~/.Xsession |
| 06:20.55 | valdyn | obmij: what is? |
| 06:21.07 | obmij | aptitude install bittorrent |
| 06:21.09 | infotron | !tell mishohimself -about experimental |
| 06:21.15 | valdyn | obmij: "btdownloadcurses file.torrent" |
| 06:21.15 | rhys | infotron: neurologist at work got a new machine. dual processor quad core xeon, 8gb of ram...and because he needs the binary only cisco VPN client, he is happily running on windows XP 32bit. i was appalled. |
| 06:21.21 | jetscreamer | try aptitude install bittornado then |
| 06:21.33 | obmij | transmission is installed |
| 06:21.36 | obmij | seems fine :P |
| 06:21.40 | obmij | time for some missy elliot |
| 06:21.40 | infotron | mishohimself: we don't support that. if the kde team suggested it, ask them. |
| 06:22.05 | rhys | we tried 64 bit windows xp which took its 8gbs of ram, used 400 mb of it, and then put another 800mb in its swap file....swap. 8gb of ram. swap..... |
| 06:22.06 | mishohimself | infotron: which channel is that? |
| 06:22.26 | obmij | rhys, lol |
| 06:22.49 | obmij | I have XP on another machine ... SP3... doesn't use that much ram... but wow |
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| 06:22.55 | obmij | I know vista would |
| 06:23.03 | rhys | i tried to convince him to put ubuntu on it, and then run 32 bit in a virtualbox. but noo.... sigh. |
| 06:23.14 | obmij | LOL |
| 06:23.31 | rhys | 32bit vista is getting sad, when it can only access 3.2gb and needs 2gb to run properly. |
| 06:23.38 | infotron | mishohimself: I don't think there's one. If you're not a developer willing to help fix bugs, it's not for you, because you're on your own. |
| 06:24.23 | jeffwheeler | I've never seen anything like this before. I can get to a random set of sites fine (e.g. Google, random uncached Youtube videos), but other sites don't work at all (e.g. Wikpedia or AIM's servers). |
| 06:24.36 | elik | rhys, lol, that's right, the two rail are getting close together |
| 06:24.41 | rhys | jeffwheeler: routing issue? |
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| 06:24.52 | jeffwheeler | rhys: I guess; how would I look into that? |
| 06:24.59 | elik | rhys, maybe with windows 7, you will actually need more ram than windows can address ?! :P |
| 06:25.01 | phorce1 | jeffwheeler: ATT DSL? |
| 06:25.03 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: traceroute perhaps |
| 06:25.04 | jeffwheeler | DNS seems to be working fine for Wikipedia, but not CNN.com (which is actually working) |
| 06:25.08 | mishohimself | infotron: OK, so is there any other way to run kde4 on debian. I mean, besides experimental |
| 06:25.11 | jeffwheeler | phorce1: exactly |
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| 06:25.16 | infotron | !kde4 |
| 06:25.16 | dpkg | well, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 06:25.21 | phorce1 | jeffwheeler: Texas? |
| 06:25.21 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: tried that; drops off at some point inside ATT |
| 06:25.30 | jeffwheeler | phorce1: yep; you getting the same issue? |
| 06:25.32 | infotron | dpkg and her noisy factiods. :) |
| 06:25.32 | dpkg | infotron: I give up, what is it? |
| 06:25.36 | rhys | jeffwheeler: change your DNS for one to opendns, see if that works... |
| 06:25.52 | jeffwheeler | rhys: just did; with no result |
| 06:25.57 | jeffwheeler | rhys: let me double-check that, though |
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| 06:26.09 | infotron | mishohimself: ahh. read that factoid in full. it answers a previous question you had. |
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| 06:26.11 | jeffwheeler | (I'm doing this on both a Mac and Debian, and it's easier to change on OS X.) |
| 06:26.28 | rhys | hmm. ISP should be glad im at Uni. I would sooo be bitching with them the whole time if they fuck up for nastiness. |
| 06:26.28 | phorce1 | jeffwheeler: Yes, me near Beaumont and Jetscreamer in Houston also. My Sprint T-1 works fine. |
| 06:27.02 | jeffwheeler | phorce1: hmm, odd. Know if ATT knows yet? |
| 06:27.16 | jeffwheeler | I would assume they do. |
| 06:27.27 | jeffwheeler | rhys: yeah, OpenDNS doesn't resolve the issue. |
| 06:27.29 | mishohimself | dpkg: eer, I see. So what are you guys using? kde3 or gnome probably? |
| 06:27.30 | dpkg | mishohimself: what are you talking about? |
| 06:27.46 | rhys | wait. isnt dpkg a bot in this channel? |
| 06:28.00 | rhys | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 06:28.01 | dpkg | rhys: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 06:28.08 | rhys | ..... yes. i think it is. |
| 06:28.10 | jeffwheeler | He is. |
| 06:28.15 | jeffwheeler | (She?) |
| 06:28.21 | cydork | !bot |
| 06:28.21 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 06:28.23 | rhys | nah. there are no women on IRC |
| 06:28.23 | kingsley | Which command, if any, can find all packages on a system which are "essential"? |
| 06:28.55 | rhys | kingsley: define essential. |
| 06:28.56 | jeffwheeler | phorce1: I guess I can only hope it's fixed by the morning. |
| 06:29.00 | mishohimself | rhys: ha-ha. But a nice made one :) |
| 06:29.31 | rhys | mishohimself: just what we need. fembots with flaming tassels. |
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| 06:30.06 | kingsley | rhys: "Essential" is a pre-defined field in the output of "dpkg -s". For example, you could type "dpkg -s coreutils" and see "Essential: yes". |
| 06:30.14 | mishohimself | infotron: thanks for your help. I'll give it another shot and probably dump it |
| 06:30.17 | mishohimself | buy |
| 06:30.21 | jeffwheeler | I wonder what the routing issue could be n ATT's side. I've never heard of anything like this. |
| 06:30.27 | mishohimself | *I mean bye :D |
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| 06:30.48 | shrimants | who here is having problems with ATT in texas? |
| 06:30.56 | rhys | jeffwheeler i believe |
| 06:31.00 | elik | jetscreamer |
| 06:31.05 | rhys | so i was wrong |
| 06:31.08 | jeffwheeler | I am, phorce1 said he was, and apparently jetscreamer. |
| 06:31.18 | elik | phorce1 |
| 06:31.18 | jeffwheeler | shrimants: you too? |
| 06:31.21 | shrimants | im having problems up here in michigan |
| 06:31.24 | muramasa | Hiya. I'm currently trying to install my webcam, but upon modprobing uvcvideo I get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1075193 . Any clues? v4l2 support is compiled in the kernel |
| 06:31.27 | jeffwheeler | Hmmm. |
| 06:31.34 | shrimants | google, youtube, and IRC work, as does the ATT website |
| 06:31.45 | rhys | can someone set the bots tidbit on at&t to "curse ye!" |
| 06:31.45 | shrimants | but engadget and gizmodo are down, cant connct to AIM protocol |
| 06:31.57 | jeffwheeler | shrimants: same here |
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| 06:32.20 | jeffwheeler | I wonder if we're disconnected from the West coast? Is that even possible? |
| 06:32.27 | shrimants | i have no idea |
| 06:32.35 | shrimants | blogspot works but livejournal doesnt |
| 06:32.43 | shrimants | this is the weirdest thing ever |
| 06:32.53 | shrimants | oh and stumbleupon wont work |
| 06:33.02 | elik | really seems localized, cause all of that work |
| 06:33.08 | rhys | so...someone should post this to slashdot |
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| 06:33.22 | jeffwheeler | shrimants: those don't work for me |
| 06:33.39 | shrimants | yeah slashdot doesnt work for me |
| 06:33.39 | elik | rhys, definitely ... otherwise they will just get away with it |
| 06:33.40 | shrimants | lol |
| 06:33.43 | elik | lol |
| 06:33.45 | jeffwheeler | ATT's cell internet is fine. I'm getting to Wikipedia without problems. |
| 06:34.02 | jeffwheeler | No /. for me either, obviously. |
| 06:34.05 | shrimants | i cant get wiki on my laptop |
| 06:34.14 | jeffwheeler | And I can on my iPhone. |
| 06:34.24 | shrimants | hmmm |
| 06:34.31 | elik | using the cellphone wireless, obviously |
| 06:34.32 | jeffwheeler | So, I guess we've learned that the ISP is _very_ different from the wireless carrier. ;) |
| 06:34.36 | shrimants | initially i thouht it was a network update |
| 06:34.37 | jeffwheeler | elik: yeah |
| 06:34.50 | shrimants | but i powercycled and no change |
| 06:34.53 | jeffwheeler | It seems to have happened 30 minutes to an hour ago, is that right? |
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| 06:35.27 | elik | that's odd that AT&T cellphone internet doesn't go through the same path as home internet... |
| 06:35.56 | jeffwheeler | Isn't there some site that has a table of the connection status between major backbone/IPX/whatevers? |
| 06:36.07 | shrimants | probably |
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| 06:36.18 | shrimants | certain google cache things arent working for me either |
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| 06:37.13 | nano_ | I get different results when I run "groups" vs "groups myname"...does anybody know what could cause this? |
| 06:37.35 | elik | http://www.internetpulse.net/ |
| 06:37.41 | phorce1 | If no Intenets(is serious buzness) is just killing your then poke around on Google for a proxy site that you CAN hit and use that to reach sites you CAN'T hit |
| 06:37.42 | elik | I dunno it that means anything at all |
| 06:37.54 | nano_ | Although I should say the difference in the result is that "groups myname" provides an additional group taht i belong to which i recently added |
| 06:37.56 | elik | but it shows some low availability on some interconections |
| 06:37.58 | jeffwheeler | elik: that's what I was looking for; thanks |
| 06:38.17 | jeffwheeler | elik: yeah, I actually have never needed to use it, so I don't know what's normal |
| 06:38.27 | shrimants | is the FTP protocol working for anyone? |
| 06:38.33 | shrimants | with att i mean |
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| 06:38.44 | elik | jeffwheeler, well, |
| 06:38.55 | elik | most of them seems fine |
| 06:39.04 | elik | just between some networks, it's really low |
| 06:39.05 | jeffwheeler | elik: on the other hand, everything critical is with SBC, so that could be indicative of something |
| 06:39.14 | \amethyst | nano_: because, without the name, it gets the list of groups by looking at the groups the process is running under |
| 06:39.25 | shrimants | hmmmm |
| 06:39.25 | phorce1 | a friend I'm on AIM with said he's using some russian full proxy (actually had to entr the proxy IP in hos browser settings, not web based). Works, just VERY slow. |
| 06:39.26 | \amethyst | nano_: with the name, it looks it up in /etc/group and /etc/passwd |
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| 06:39.31 | shrimants | im trying to talk to an agent on chat |
| 06:39.32 | elik | jeffwheeler, true, hadn't noticed |
| 06:39.33 | jeffwheeler | it's getting packet loss to Qwest |
| 06:39.40 | shrimants | but apparently, im number 86 in line |
| 06:39.51 | shrimants | and all agents are busy |
| 06:39.58 | Ragged | join /opensuse |
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| 06:40.07 | shrimants | so i think its safe to assume its because of this internet thing |
| 06:40.25 | shrimants | ragged: who are you talking to |
| 06:40.28 | elik | yeah, you won't be the first to point it out |
| 06:40.28 | \amethyst | nano_: since you've changed your groups but haven't logged out and back in, groups sees the old permissions |
| 06:40.31 | jeffwheeler | shrimants: hmm, yeah; I wonder if there's any way to escalate to tier two (not that it'd help, much) |
| 06:40.55 | nano_ | \amethyst: is there anyway i can dynamically make it see the new permissions without having to log in and out? |
| 06:40.59 | Ragged | Thick fingers... :-( |
| 06:41.01 | elik | rhys, infotron, looking bad for the amd64... |
| 06:41.33 | shrimants | alright, im number 82 now |
| 06:41.42 | elik | rhys, infotron, with the i386 one, I had my network cards with drivers |
| 06:41.44 | shrimants | this is gonna take a hell of a long time, it seems |
| 06:41.48 | jeffwheeler | yeah |
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| 06:42.01 | jeffwheeler | I assume they already know the issue, but it's still fun to feel important. :) |
| 06:42.05 | elik | rhys, infotron, and with amd64... it asks me for flopy drivers |
| 06:42.24 | elik | you can ask for a refund |
| 06:42.27 | shrimants | im betting they need to release a modem update |
| 06:42.46 | jeffwheeler | Wait a second . . . how are AT&T and SBC related on internetbackbone.net . . . I thought it was all ATT now? |
| 06:42.55 | jeffwheeler | (And they were just using the old name.) |
| 06:43.01 | shrimants | att owns sbc |
| 06:43.02 | \amethyst | nano_: not really. if the group has a password set, you could use newgrp to join that group |
| 06:43.04 | shrimants | they're the same thing |
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| 06:43.10 | shrimants | sbc did just internet |
| 06:43.17 | nano_ | \amethyst: thnx, ill try that |
| 06:43.17 | shrimants | att does internet through their satellites |
| 06:43.22 | jeffwheeler | shrimants: yeah, that's what I thought; but why is there a section forboth? |
| 06:43.22 | jeffwheeler | oh |
| 06:43.27 | \amethyst | nano_: but that would affect only the single shell that newgrp creates |
| 06:43.40 | \amethyst | nano_: another option would be to su to yourself |
| 06:44.06 | nano_ | \amethyst: yes i see...but if i su myself..i am limited to the new group membership only in the current terminal |
| 06:44.46 | \amethyst | nano_: same with newgrp |
| 06:45.02 | elik | rhys, infotron, false alert :S hadn't loaded components from the CD :S |
| 06:45.07 | \amethyst | nano_: that's the thing... there's not a way to grant group membership to an existing process |
| 06:45.26 | nano_ | \amethyst: yeah...i c what u mean....well i guess i can live with "su" |
| 06:45.34 | \amethyst | nano_: unless that process is running as root (like login and su) |
| 06:45.39 | nano_ | \amethyst: its interesting i haven't come across this sooner |
| 06:45.58 | nano_ | \amethyst: what if i disown a process...i wonder? |
| 06:46.06 | jeffwheeler | att.yahoo.com is now going _extremely_ slowly. |
| 06:46.12 | jeffwheeler | Oh, there it goes. |
| 06:46.23 | \amethyst | nano_: won't help, that just makes the shell forget about a background process |
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| 06:46.56 | nano_ | yes i c.....well i guess its not the end of the world. i will have to learn to accept this. |
| 06:47.10 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:47.21 | \amethyst | that would be an interesting syscall |
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| 06:50.02 | jeffwheeler | All people on SBC/ATT: they've taken most of their phone support and replaced it with a message stating that they're aware of the issue and that their network team is working to rectify it. They "apologize" for any inconvenience. |
| 06:50.19 | shrimants | wooo |
| 06:50.24 | shrimants | alright |
| 06:50.31 | shrimants | well now that i know that theres nothing i can do about it |
| 06:50.33 | shrimants | im going to bed |
| 06:50.35 | shrimants | lol |
| 06:50.38 | jeffwheeler | ha |
| 06:50.43 | jeffwheeler | Now we need somebody to post to /., first. |
| 06:50.50 | shrimants | hmmm |
| 06:51.02 | shrimants | touches his nose |
| 06:51.02 | shrimants | not it |
| 06:51.06 | elik | I can help |
| 06:51.12 | jeffwheeler | _can't_: I can't get there. ;) |
| 06:51.15 | elik | lemme see if it's there already |
| 06:51.24 | jeffwheeler | elik: sweet, thanks |
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| 06:51.48 | elik | ain't in the hose |
| 06:51.57 | elik | You want to write it, I post it |
| 06:52.10 | jeffwheeler | Eh, that sounds like a lot less fun. :D |
| 06:52.13 | shrimants | isnt there a place where att lists the updates by location? |
| 06:52.14 | jeffwheeler | Let's work together, team. |
| 06:52.24 | elik | I'll report that I post it for you.. cause you just can't get there |
| 06:52.38 | jeffwheeler | Ha, uh, okay. |
| 06:52.46 | elik | we could title it "The internet is falling appart" |
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| 06:52.57 | shrimants | or we could title it |
| 06:53.00 | shrimants | what the hell sbc |
| 06:53.09 | jeffwheeler | "AT&T Has Service Problems Around Midnight" |
| 06:53.16 | shrimants | that works |
| 06:53.24 | jeffwheeler | "AT&T Disconnects Half the Internet Around Midnight" |
| 06:53.27 | jeffwheeler | :D |
| 06:53.56 | elik | AT&T tears Internet appart around midnight |
| 06:54.02 | shrimants | AT&T: connection problems leading to subscription based website scare?! |
| 06:54.05 | simonrvn | "apart" |
| 06:54.12 | elik | sry |
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| 06:54.52 | simonrvn | their site is sloooow |
| 06:54.55 | jeffwheeler | "Around 1:30 AM Eastern time, many ATT/SBC users began to lose connections to major sites like Wikipedia, CNN and AOL's instant messenger servers." |
| 06:55.18 | Gruelius | Hey all im trying to find out why my ~300mb video files have started developing glitches. They sit on a large ext3 partition in a lvm on a mdraid5 array. All integrity checks pass so what should i be looking at? |
| 06:55.57 | jeffwheeler | "It seems most packets to Qwest, Savvis, and XO were not making it through to the other side." |
| 06:55.59 | simonrvn | jeffwheeler: URL? |
| 06:56.01 | shrimants | alright |
| 06:56.01 | jeffwheeler | "DNS was not an issue." |
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| 06:56.03 | shrimants | im going to bed |
| 06:56.06 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: hmm? |
| 06:56.09 | shrimants | adios |
| 06:56.11 | jeffwheeler | shrimants: thanks for the fun :) |
| 06:56.12 | Gruelius | if it was a hardware issue it would be picked up by mdadm or fsck yes? Im just a bit sus about the PCI hdd controller one of the disks sits on |
| 06:56.18 | simonrvn | which page are you fetching that from? |
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| 06:56.36 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: we've been writing the post for /., since many ATT users aren't able to get there right now |
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| 06:56.50 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 06:57.11 | jeffwheeler | Including myself, phorce1, jetscreamer, and shrimants, who just left. |
| 06:57.45 | elik | AT&T: tearing Internet apart |
| 06:57.45 | elik | Around 1:30 AM Eastern time, many ATT/SBC users began to lose connections to major sites like Wikipedia, CNN and AOL's instant messenger servers. It seems that most packets to Qwest, Savvis, and XO were not making it through to the other side. DNS was not an issue. |
| 06:57.53 | simonrvn | been wonky elsewhere too |
| 06:58.12 | simonrvn | not outright outages, been last 2 months have been crazy |
| 06:58.28 | jeffwheeler | "Around 2:30 AM Eastern time, their phone support started to spew a message regarding their awareness of the problem, and their work to fix it." |
| 06:58.33 | jeffwheeler | . . . and that's a wrap |
| 06:58.48 | jeffwheeler | Sound alright? |
| 06:59.00 | Guerin | why do we care? |
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| 06:59.13 | jeffwheeler | Eh, good question. |
| 06:59.13 | elik | sounds good |
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| 06:59.16 | steven | hi |
| 06:59.22 | jeffwheeler | elik: thanks for posting |
| 06:59.22 | LadyNikon | yo |
| 06:59.26 | steven | i can't seem to install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ? |
| 06:59.26 | elik | np |
| 06:59.38 | elik | Jeffwheeler report at the beginning sounds good? |
| 06:59.44 | Guerin | steven: try harder. |
| 06:59.45 | LadyNikon | whats the best web and secure web console client? webmin or ? |
| 06:59.50 | steven | apt says it can't find it but it is at http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 06:59.50 | apt | steven: what are you talking about? |
| 06:59.50 | Guerin | LadyNikon: no. |
| 07:00.14 | jeffwheeler | elik: it's fine |
| 07:00.31 | LadyNikon | Guerin: what do you recommend? |
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| 07:00.56 | Guerin | LadyNikon: ssh |
| 07:01.02 | steven | im talking about installing a package ?? |
| 07:01.15 | steven | q |
| 07:01.18 | LadyNikon | Guerin: i meant something that I can use to admin the box over the web. |
| 07:01.25 | LadyNikon | scratch the console statement. |
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| 07:01.30 | LadyNikon | i just sat through batman heh |
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| 07:01.35 | elik | hem jeffwheeler, never posted on /. :S |
| 07:01.39 | elik | How would I do that? |
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| 07:01.49 | Guerin | LadyNikon: the web isn't an administration tool. ssh is. |
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| 07:02.07 | Lagbolt | steven, it is available. libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: http://http.us.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 07:02.10 | LadyNikon | Guerin: you can setup webmin or some other type of program to do so. |
| 07:02.17 | simonrvn | eew |
| 07:02.18 | Lagbolt | maybe you need to check your sources |
| 07:02.20 | simonrvn | !webmin |
| 07:02.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 07:02.26 | Guerin | LadyNikon: you can if you want your computer to break and/or be owned. |
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| 07:02.37 | soulchild | HI all,... gnome says: "You are not privileged to mount this volume.", when I try do acces a NTFS Partition. Do they have to be in fstab? I actually want them to be auto-mounted, when i double-click there symbol. |
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| 07:02.54 | LadyNikon | simonrvn: note.. the reason why i said or something similar. I was looking for somethign more secure |
| 07:02.59 | Guerin | soulchild: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 07:02.59 | LadyNikon | but thanks for the trigger anyways.. |
| 07:03.15 | steven | Lagbolt: thanks but apt still can't find it ?? |
| 07:03.24 | Guerin | LadyNikon: there's really been nothing created to replace webmin since it's a thoroughly broken concept in the first place. |
| 07:03.28 | simonrvn | ssh+screen |
| 07:03.41 | LadyNikon | Guerin: thanks. |
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| 07:03.46 | Guerin | welcome. |
| 07:04.42 | soulchild | Guerin: that channel is nor very activew |
| 07:04.43 | LadyNikon | simonrvn: i am already doing that. I wanted something more. Guerin answered my question :) |
| 07:04.45 | soulchild | -w |
| 07:04.56 | Guerin | soulchild: that's a shame. |
| 07:05.01 | steven | Lagbolt: u can see my source.list here i don't understand why i can't install it ? http://pastebin.ca/1075226 |
| 07:05.03 | soulchild | yes it is |
| 07:05.06 | LadyNikon | and now for bed. |
| 07:05.12 | LadyNikon | gn :) |
| 07:05.15 | Guerin | hooray for bed! |
| 07:05.22 | LadyNikon | oh btw.. batman was awesome. |
| 07:05.37 | soulchild | night ? here in germany it is 9 am :D going to university in 20 minutes,... :D |
| 07:05.37 | Guerin | YAFBMM |
| 07:05.53 | LadyNikon | soulchild: its 3am here |
| 07:05.56 | Guerin | i can do without more latex animal costumes in my life |
| 07:06.06 | soulchild | LadyNikon: where is here ? |
| 07:06.13 | LadyNikon | soulchild: maryland US |
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| 07:06.32 | LadyNikon | !lamp |
| 07:06.33 | dpkg | well, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
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| 07:06.48 | soulchild | LadyNikon: You americans think that you are the only one existing in the panet, aren't you |
| 07:06.51 | Maliuta | LadyNikon: it's 3am, you must be lonely. </obQuote> |
| 07:07.13 | LadyNikon | soulchild: why would I think that? |
| 07:07.24 | LadyNikon | Maliuta: i dont get it. |
| 07:07.39 | Maliuta | LadyNikon: it's a Matchbox20 lyric |
| 07:07.42 | Guerin | LadyNikon: i think he's trying to subtly invite himself into your notional bed |
| 07:07.50 | simonrvn | Maliuta: that's nice |
| 07:07.52 | Guerin | rrrreeeeallly subtle like |
| 07:08.06 | soulchild | You only say "Here" without specifing the place and exepting that I know it is US, because here must mean USA |
| 07:08.16 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 07:08.21 | LadyNikon | soulchild: no i said here.. because I am sitting here |
| 07:08.24 | Guerin | jeesus |
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| 07:08.31 | simonrvn | here means where you are... |
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| 07:08.50 | Guerin | yep, stupid people are still stupid |
| 07:08.50 | LadyNikon | now if you care enough to know where *here* is.. you would ask.. as you did |
| 07:08.55 | soulchild | LadyNikon: ok,... maybe I am a little bit tired, beacause HERE it is 9am in the morning |
| 07:09.01 | Guerin | i just have to check now and again |
| 07:09.16 | LadyNikon | soulchild: and see.. if you said that.. I assumed you meant where you were sitting :) |
| 07:09.35 | soulchild | okay,... I'll get a coffe |
| 07:09.36 | soulchild | e |
| 07:09.59 | Lagbolt | steven, wow you have experimental sources eh. well assuming your etch main source is up to date i would say it should be there |
| 07:10.00 | simonrvn | Guerin: barely have to, they do it for you |
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| 07:10.16 | simonrvn | etch and experimental? are you crazy? |
| 07:10.32 | JustSoul | Hello, Is it possible and how to recover deleted files and dirs from ext3? |
| 07:10.34 | Lagbolt | steven, you should def remove experimental and maybe try a mirror to see if the package you want is there |
| 07:10.54 | LadyNikon | well before I get anymore stereotypes tossed at me. I am going to bed. gn all |
| 07:10.54 | steven | Lagbolt: the experimental is only used for one package |
| 07:11.01 | steven | mysql 5.1 :) |
| 07:11.17 | Lagbolt | steven, so you get nothing from apt-cache search libstdc++2.10-glibc ? |
| 07:11.22 | Guerin | fail |
| 07:11.30 | steven | Lagbolt: no ? |
| 07:11.41 | Guerin | LadyNikon: g'night |
| 07:11.47 | simonrvn | ni'night |
| 07:12.09 | Guerin | i wonder if stereotypes are like deadlines, in that they make a cool noise as they rush by |
| 07:12.12 | steven | Lagbolt: it's worth noting that this x64 |
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| 07:12.31 | simonrvn | Guerin: mostly whoosh sounds, as they go flying over your head |
| 07:12.34 | steven | Lagbolt: on the webpage for the package it does not appear to have a download for x64 ??? |
| 07:12.47 | Lagbolt | steven, oh? on packages.debian.org? |
| 07:12.47 | simonrvn | (you general, not you you) |
| 07:12.48 | abraxas | i'm experiencing the weirdest thing recent debian installations. there is a server online somewhere, and with these debian servers i can't download more than 12 KB from it (TCP), after which it stalls indefinitely. trying this from suse or an old debian (2.4 kernel or 2.6.8 kernel) is no problem, but all the recent ones refuse to download (these debian machines are in various locations and all show this behavior).. |
| 07:12.59 | steven | http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 07:13.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: nothing goes over my head, brotha - except programming and mathematics |
| 07:13.10 | owen1 | how to use ls and only show file name and size? |
| 07:13.14 | simonrvn | heeey, hehehe |
| 07:13.23 | abraxas | if i set up rinetd on a problem-free machine and use that to download, then the problem-machines have no problem anymore... so it seems like some obscure tcp problem to me... anyone interested in checking this out for the good of debian? |
| 07:13.27 | Guerin | owen1: why use ls for that? |
| 07:13.38 | steven | im actually trying to install the hpacucli |
| 07:13.51 | steven | Lagbolt: u can see the direction near the bottom of here http://h20392.www2.hp.com/catalog_content/product/install_page/T8569AAE.html |
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| 07:14.10 | owen1 | Guerin: i want to display all the files, one by line, but only show name and size. |
| 07:14.19 | Guerin | owen1: why use ls for that? |
| 07:14.21 | abraxas | with other operating systems i can download without problems, it's just debian, and no matter if i use wget, links, curl, it's all the same problem |
| 07:14.29 | Lagbolt | steven, yeah i dont see it listed for 64bit. |
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| 07:14.36 | owen1 | Guerin: what else can i use? |
| 07:14.44 | Lagbolt | steven, it says libstdc is for i386 not amd64 |
| 07:14.46 | Guerin | owen1: du does exactly this |
| 07:14.57 | Guerin | LadyNikon: then it probably is |
| 07:14.57 | owen1 | Guerin: let me try |
| 07:15.04 | Guerin | Lagbolt: ^^^ |
| 07:15.11 | Guerin | owen1: ok, you can try. |
| 07:15.16 | steven | Lagbolt: yes look a little further it says you must force the install of hpacuclie for 64bit |
| 07:15.16 | Guerin | (like I can stop you) |
| 07:15.37 | JustSoul | Is it possible and how to recover deleted files and dirs from ext3? |
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| 07:15.52 | Guerin | whenever I hear the word `force', I reach for my sign which reads `FAIL' |
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| 07:16.07 | Guerin | JustSoul: not categorically. Sometimes you can. |
| 07:16.16 | Vlack | i need help with cups what do you put with add new printer location |
| 07:16.20 | abraxas | anyone? i'd think this is a serious debian problem... |
| 07:16.30 | Guerin | JustSoul: i recommend photorec, in the testdisk package. |
| 07:16.50 | Guerin | abraxas: what branch? |
| 07:16.51 | streuner_ | Vlack: just put something into there, i.e. desk |
| 07:16.56 | abraxas | Guerin: stable |
| 07:17.04 | Guerin | abraxas: bugs.debian.org |
| 07:17.11 | abraxas | 2.6.18 kernel |
| 07:17.19 | owen1 | Guerin: is there a way to sort by size with du? |
| 07:17.20 | Guerin | abraxas: if you're having problems with stable it's likely a problem at your end. |
| 07:17.31 | abraxas | the problem with a bug report is, that i can offer a location for testing now, but just now |
| 07:17.32 | Guerin | owen1: |sort -n |
| 07:17.50 | Guerin | owen1: you want to use du -k also |
| 07:17.50 | Lagbolt | steven, it says to force-architecture |
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| 07:18.03 | abraxas | it's a problem at every up-to-date debian server i have access too in every physical location |
| 07:18.08 | Guerin | Lagbolt: man dpkg |
| 07:18.12 | Lagbolt | steven, i have no experience with that option so cant tell you if that is problemattic |
| 07:18.17 | steven | yes which i have done for the hpacu.deb |
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| 07:18.31 | Guerin | Lagbolt: don't bother asking for help with this, nobody will help you put that round peg in that triangular hole. |
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| 07:18.38 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:18.38 | Lagbolt | Guerin, i am not asking |
| 07:18.38 | steven | Lagbolt: i think i may have to install ia32-libs ?? |
| 07:18.42 | Guerin | steven: ^^^ |
| 07:18.43 | Lagbolt | Guerin, i was trying to help steven |
| 07:18.45 | steven | Lagbolt: i think ill give it a try :) |
| 07:18.47 | abraxas | Guerin: i simply cannot make decent tcp transfers on these machines.. with windows, suse, old-debian it's no problem |
| 07:18.53 | Guerin | Lagbolt: sorry, got me wires crossed :) |
| 07:19.04 | Lagbolt | Guerin, but i dont have to knowledge or desire to tell people to force install things :) |
| 07:19.04 | Guerin | abraxas: so you said. |
| 07:19.11 | Guerin | !beer Lagbolt |
| 07:19.12 | dpkg | pours a quart of Guinness for Lagbolt |
| 07:19.16 | Lagbolt | thanks :) |
| 07:19.19 | owen1 | Guerin: nice! |
| 07:19.20 | Guerin | Lagbolt: very mature! |
| 07:19.27 | abraxas | Guerin: it's only when connecting to a certain machine tho, it's behind a draytek router |
| 07:19.36 | Guerin | abraxas: fix your router |
| 07:19.40 | Guerin | which is clearly crap |
| 07:19.59 | abraxas | Guerin: i'm pretty sure the draytek (crappy stuff) is triggering it (it ain't mine), but still, recent-debian is the only OS with this problem |
| 07:20.02 | steven | Guerin: check for half-duplex, dropped packets, crap mtu etc etc |
| 07:20.09 | Guerin | abraxas: file a bug. |
| 07:20.13 | steven | abraxas: even ;) |
| 07:20.31 | Guerin | abraxas: what you can try is a new kernel |
| 07:20.38 | abraxas | i tried, no luck |
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| 07:21.01 | telmich | good morning |
| 07:21.19 | Guerin | li'l schoolgirl |
| 07:21.41 | abraxas | like i said, problem with a bug report is that i can no longer offer the test location, and the bug report will be vague "i think it's draytek" and i assume nothing would ever be done with it (i know i wouldn't handle it, coz it's not easily reproduced) |
| 07:22.01 | Guerin | can't do much for you, then |
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| 07:22.06 | abraxas | okay |
| 07:22.07 | Guerin | do what steven suggested |
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| 07:22.23 | Guerin | fuck with some settings on the router too |
| 07:22.58 | abraxas | i can solve the problem eventually, .. if i have to do an rinetd on another machine, so be it |
| 07:23.10 | abraxas | i'm only here because i figured debian people might be interested |
| 07:23.23 | abraxas | but yeah, i'll do what steven suggested |
| 07:23.25 | abraxas | tnx for that |
| 07:23.45 | Guerin | well ... as you say, what can we do about it? |
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| 07:24.00 | abraxas | i'm offering a test location, you'll probably experience the same problem on any stable debian |
| 07:24.13 | Guerin | file the bug anyway - it's possible a DD has that router lying around to test with, or it might affect others too |
| 07:24.51 | abraxas | ok |
| 07:26.05 | abraxas | i'm not entirely sure it's the draytek tho.. behind the draytek hop i don't know what hardware is used, but i know it goes to optic fiber and then back to utp |
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| 07:26.26 | Truman | I have killall5 instead of killall , is it the same? |
| 07:26.46 | dondelelcaro | Truman: no. |
| 07:27.21 | Truman | what's the difference? |
| 07:27.23 | dondelelcaro | Truman: if you don't have killall, you don't have psmisc. /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:29.17 | Lagbolt | Nyle, you in here? |
| 07:29.32 | Vlack | need help cups 426 Upgrade Required when adding new printer |
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| 07:32.31 | liable | RichiH: ping |
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| 07:35.19 | extor | Is there any easy way to configure mrtg besides the webmin gui? Webmin totally FAILED |
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| 07:37.24 | dondelelcaro | extor: you'll have better luck using munin instead of mrtg. |
| 07:37.31 | dondelelcaro | (unless you actually have a ton of routers) |
| 07:37.46 | extor | I have zero routers |
| 07:37.55 | dondelelcaro | extor: then you want munin, not mrtg. |
| 07:37.58 | dondelelcaro | !munin |
| 07:37.58 | dpkg | munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://munin.ping.uio.no/ FE. http://sourceforge.net/projects/munin/ |
| 07:38.07 | extor | mrtg is just to watch the localhost load average, cpu util, network load etc |
| 07:38.26 | dondelelcaro | yes... that's why I recommended munin |
| 07:38.39 | extor | Uhm...this is just to monitor a single dedicated webserver |
| 07:38.40 | extor | hmm |
| 07:38.44 | dondelelcaro | extor: yes... |
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| 07:39.13 | extor | does munin have a gui interface that is easy for noobs to follow? |
| 07:39.22 | extor | like I was expecting with webmin/mrtg? |
| 07:39.32 | dondelelcaro | extor: you don't need one. That's why I recommended it. |
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| 07:45.08 | biatche | does anyone know how many threads can a system or processor or whatever can run at one time? is there a way to calculate this? |
| 07:46.04 | extor | ps aux? |
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| 07:46.20 | gnumm | is debian 64bit as good supported as debian 32bit ? |
| 07:46.30 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: yes. |
| 07:46.45 | gnumm | one question |
| 07:46.59 | gnumm | a few weeks before lenny will be stable, there is a feature freeze, right? |
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| 07:47.17 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: different things freeze at different times |
| 07:47.32 | gnumm | when i change now in sources.list lenny to testing, will i also have this freezes? |
| 07:47.48 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: yes. |
| 07:48.03 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: up until the moment that we release the next stable release, lenny==testing |
| 07:48.15 | dondelelcaro | (technically, testing is a symlink that currently points at lenny) |
| 07:49.01 | gnumm | so when i have testing in my sources.list, it will download updates from the next testing version? |
| 07:49.15 | gnumm | after the stable release of lenny |
| 07:49.21 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: yes. |
| 07:49.31 | dondelelcaro | (whatever that release is going to be called) |
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| 07:49.50 | gnumm | and is it right that testing systems brake hard after these freezes? |
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| 07:50.01 | gnumm | i heard something like that |
| 07:51.29 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: generally not |
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| 07:51.47 | gnumm | ok |
| 07:51.50 | dondelelcaro | though there tends to be more breakage immediately following than preceeding, for obvious reasons |
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| 07:52.18 | gnumm | i used for a long time sid, and there it was recommanded to use kde instead of gnome, because gnome often change etc.... |
| 07:52.22 | gnumm | what about testing? |
| 07:52.53 | dondelelcaro | whoever gave you that recommendation didn't know what they were talkinga bout |
| 07:53.07 | dondelelcaro | there's no real difference; use whatever you prefer |
| 07:53.21 | gnumm | ok, thanks for that info :) |
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| 07:54.05 | gnumm | does flash also work on 64bit? |
| 07:54.24 | maligor | no |
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| 07:54.32 | maligor | well, adobe flash player doesn't, not too well |
| 07:54.35 | dondelelcaro | gnumm: if you're using gnash, yes. |
| 07:54.45 | maligor | you can run it in nspluginwrapper that's a bit unstable sometimes |
| 07:54.45 | et | the adobe one works too |
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| 07:57.01 | foetus | flash doesn't support 64bit |
| 07:58.29 | gnumm | on just every gnome distribution i wasn't able to play tuxguitar files (with timidity) and watch youtube videos at the same time, because of some pulseaudio problems |
| 07:58.45 | gnumm | either tuxguitar worked, or youtube, but never both at the same |
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| 07:58.48 | foetus | I have enough problems to run it in my firefox without process peaks ... |
| 07:58.49 | gnumm | time |
| 07:58.55 | gnumm | how do i disable pulseaudio? |
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| 08:05.45 | foetus | with flash i encounter prozess peaks of 100%, two apps at same time are too much i think ... |
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| 08:06.34 | gnumm | swfdec works well, but only on youtube i guess |
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| 08:08.15 | uieauieauiea | hi all |
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| 08:08.39 | foetus | question: is there a way to shrink down the process load of flash in a browser like firefox or seamonkey? |
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| 08:09.21 | streuner | no |
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| 08:10.26 | streuner | if you using third-party plugins which isn't even free, what do you expect then? |
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| 08:11.10 | foetus | konqueror rocks better with it, i be able to change the plugin setting over the wrapper, with firefox not ... |
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| 08:12.02 | foetus | flash is a product of adobe (or macromedia), they know what they do ... |
| 08:13.09 | streuner | flash isn't bad idea, but the code just sucks, IMHO |
| 08:13.17 | foetus | anyway, there is too much process load ... |
| 08:13.28 | et | pkill nsplugin # reduces processor load for flash in ff ;) |
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| 08:14.04 | et | hmm. i'm wondering why it's still called nsplugin |
| 08:14.15 | foetus | so you see nothing ... |
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| 08:14.43 | foetus | some gifs,maybe |
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| 08:17.18 | truskawka | Che skifooooooooooo |
| 08:17.19 | truskawka | nlaawes |
| 08:17.20 | truskawka | dfcv |
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| 08:18.28 | foetus | so is there a way to adjust process priority of plugins in firefox (or iceweasel) like in konqueror? |
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| 08:18.46 | Rodrigo | Vito0r nossaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:18.49 | Rodrigo | kkkkkkkkkkk |
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| 08:18.54 | prahal | Eitan, any news ? |
| 08:18.54 | Vito0r | Rodrigo :Oooooooooooooooo |
| 08:18.58 | Vito0r | [Rodrigo]: tem um com 1200. :PPPPP |
| 08:19.10 | Rodrigo | Vito0r qual ? |
| 08:19.26 | Vito0r | Rodrigo nao lembro nome to tentano lembra |
| 08:19.35 | Vito0r | Rodrigo /list me derrubou de tanto lag |
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| 08:19.56 | Rodrigo | Vito0r kkkkkkkkkk |
| 08:20.16 | liable | Rodrigo: Vito0r english please |
| 08:20.18 | Rodrigo | Vito0r moço aqui nao existe op nao |
| 08:20.27 | Rodrigo | Vito0r e todo mundo fica sem o OP |
| 08:20.32 | Vito0r | liable im from brazil. :] |
| 08:20.37 | Vito0r | im no speak english :( |
| 08:20.38 | prahal | foetus, should ask on irc.mozilla.org #firefox , though I am interested too |
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| 08:20.47 | liable | Vito0r: yes, the please try #debian.br |
| 08:20.52 | Rodrigo | liable i don`t speak english man :( |
| 08:21.11 | Vito0r | liable #debian.br no users. :( |
| 08:21.12 | Rodrigo | liable what channel brasilian ? |
| 08:21.16 | Rodrigo | liable pvt me |
| 08:21.22 | Vito0r | pvtme HAHAHAHAHA |
| 08:21.23 | Vito0r | kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 08:21.36 | liable | !br |
| 08:21.36 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:21.43 | foetus | thanks,prahal ... i try it - nice day! |
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| 08:22.21 | foetus | nice esperanto, guys |
| 08:22.27 | foetus | bye. |
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| 08:22.43 | Vito0r | [dpkg]: thanks. |
| 08:22.44 | Rodrigo | !br |
| 08:22.44 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:22.44 | Peanut | Good morning - I'm trying to build the Chelsio 10Gb/s ethernet driver. This is looking for /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source which does not exist - I do however have a /lib/modules/2.6.18/source. How can I update my modules tree to have the missing directory? |
| 08:23.06 | Rodrigo | liable thanks |
| 08:23.19 | liable | Rodrigo: you're welcome |
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| 08:26.56 | jophi | !de |
| 08:26.57 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 08:43.36 | sladi | Hi! When packaging an application I have to compile it first with make. Do I need to do a make 'install too?' |
| 08:44.02 | liable | yes |
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| 08:45.33 | sladi | liable: Is there a possibility that it breaks something in the installation? |
| 08:46.15 | liable | sladi: i have no idea, especially since you havent stated what you are building. |
| 08:46.22 | psibyrion | why cant i find any testing unstable experimental repositories? will synaptic not do it? where is there a good apt-get tutorial thats not contradictory? |
| 08:47.22 | cydork | sladi: for packaging?? what are you trying to do? |
| 08:48.13 | sladi | liable: There is Fracplanet for instance and xf4vnc. :) I mean the Debian install. Maybe it would overwrite something. Should I use a chroot or look through some file to see in advance what will happen on 'make install'? |
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| 08:48.49 | liable | sladi: you can use make -n iirc to see what it does (check the docs) |
| 08:49.23 | sladi | liable: Thanks a lot! RTFM of course. :) |
| 08:49.32 | psibyrion | maybe i should not use synaptic for kde4 |
| 08:49.43 | cydork | is still wondering about what sladi means by _packaging_ |
| 08:50.20 | psibyrion | i wonder if kde4 will allow itself to run under e17 |
| 08:50.37 | jerry_lau | the easy way to packing a software is checkinstall |
| 08:51.00 | psibyrion | why cant i find any testing unstable experimental repositories? will synaptic not do it? where is there a good apt-get tutorial thats not contradictory? |
| 08:51.12 | psibyrion | whoops |
| 08:51.14 | steven | what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude and is one prefered over the other ? |
| 08:51.21 | cydork | !why aptitude |
| 08:51.21 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 08:51.31 | sladi | cydork: I'd like to create a debian package so I can't install software the Debian way. |
| 08:51.52 | psibyrion | so aptitude is much better |
| 08:51.57 | cydork | sladi: the read the policy, learn the how the packaging is done |
| 08:52.10 | cydork | sladi: check /msg dpkg nmg |
| 08:52.33 | psibyrion | synaptic went stupid o n me when i tried to install amarok2 |
| 08:52.45 | psibyrion | i try aptitude |
| 08:53.25 | jerry_lau | does anyone use the ati video card on the kernel 2.6.25? |
| 08:53.32 | sladi | cydork: Ok. I'm reading Debian's New Maintainer Guide. |
| 08:53.39 | sladi | Thanks again! :) |
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| 08:56.32 | prahal | jerry_lau, yes but with the open source driver . Works neat (and xrandr support) |
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| 08:57.31 | jerry_lau | prahal , can you use compiz? |
| 08:57.42 | sladi | psibyrion: Are you sure you've got the repos listed in sources.list? |
| 08:57.44 | prahal | jerry_lau, sure I do |
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| 08:58.21 | prahal | jerry_lau, though I am using sid (maybe lenny has up to date packages too) and experimental |
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| 08:58.50 | prahal | so your mileage may vary with etch if you are using it (worth the test anyway) |
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| 09:00.12 | prahal | xrandr extended mode on low end cards is a little dangerous with compiz (could crash the X server) because of the size of the max texture that s all |
| 09:00.22 | jerry_lau | prahal , i use the lenny , but the close source drive can't support 2.6.25 kernel |
| 09:01.09 | jerry_lau | so i use the 2.6.24 |
| 09:01.13 | jerry_lau | -_- |
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| 09:02.04 | prahal | then switch to the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver (and install driconf to tweak advanced features) |
| 09:02.22 | rdz | is there a way to edit symlinks (which is not deleting and rewriting them)? |
| 09:03.15 | joltcan | rdz: ln -sf will overwrite, that is probably as close as you get |
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| 09:03.26 | rdz | joltcan, thanks |
| 09:03.44 | prahal | the only use I see for the ati provided one is to support latest cards ... but this too is phasing out as the specs are given by ati/amd |
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| 09:04.17 | jerry_lau | prahal , does i change the xorg.conf ? |
| 09:04.47 | prahal | jerome, yes use radeon as the driver |
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| 09:04.57 | daf999 | how can I make XFE the default file manager in gnome? |
| 09:05.56 | sladi | daf999: I guess you use GDM. You can specifiy that there. |
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| 09:07.19 | sladi | daf999: also there is 'update-alternatives' |
| 09:07.22 | prahal | jerry_lau, http://rafb.net/p/CKp12w56.html is what I tweaked in xorg |
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| 09:08.05 | daf999 | sladi, will that open up xfe, instead of nautilus when say i click on "computer" ? |
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| 09:08.18 | berzerka | update to yesterday. rebuilt my stock kernel with only xen disabled, now nvidia installer builds fine. |
| 09:08.20 | prahal | Monitor-LVDS and Monitor-S-Video are for tv output and GARTSize for blender that needs more than the default of 8 |
| 09:08.29 | jerry_lau | prahal, thanks ;) |
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| 09:09.11 | prahal | jerry_lau, AccelMethod , XAANoOffscreenPixmaps and EnablePageFlip where for compiz if I remind well . Have not tried with newer version if they are still needed |
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| 09:09.38 | jerry_lau | prahal ,o, i see |
| 09:09.46 | jerry_lau | i will try it |
| 09:10.04 | prahal | so not really out of th box though I guess the ati driver needs tweaks too for some stuff |
| 09:10.22 | sladi | daf999: sorry I thought you meant window manager. You mean filer. I don't use Gnome. You could edit the shortcut to point to xfe instead of Nautilus(?). |
| 09:11.04 | gnumm | when i want to install a new nvidia driver, should i remove the old one or can i just install the new over the other? |
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| 09:11.50 | sladi | gnumm: The Nvidia installer will detect the old driver and remove it. |
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| 09:11.58 | prahal | gnumm, you should uninstall just in case some file changed names (if you ar enot using debian packages , if so thi will be handled automatically) |
| 09:12.18 | sladi | ^^^ |
| 09:12.36 | gnumm | ah ok^^ |
| 09:12.45 | gnumm | how do i remove a driver? |
| 09:12.53 | gnumm | when it#s not a debian package |
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| 09:13.29 | prahal | as sladi told the nvidia own installer manage this too . Did not knew |
| 09:14.11 | sladi | gnumm: Yes, just strt the installer and it should tell you t found the old drivers. |
| 09:14.37 | gnumm | ok |
| 09:16.08 | sladi | gnumm: The Debian way is preferred though. They say the installer might screw the system by overwriting files. |
| 09:16.38 | sladi | I guess the package system prevents one program overwriting files used by others. |
| 09:16.45 | gnumm | testing should have the newest driver? |
| 09:16.53 | gnumm | 173.14.09 |
| 09:17.22 | sladi | I think it's 169.12. |
| 09:17.52 | sladi | Unstable has the newest. |
| 09:18.11 | gnumm | and when will 173.14.09 be in testing |
| 09:18.15 | gnumm | ? |
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| 09:18.56 | gnumm | on the debian homepage they say, package should be after 10 days(when they work on sid) in testing |
| 09:19.02 | sladi | It appeared recently ^^. Lenny had 169.12 before. 173.14.09 is in Sid now. |
| 09:20.00 | sladi | It's not in Lenny anymore. Happens sometimes with Lenny packages. |
| 09:20.08 | berzerka | gnumm: testing has nvidia-glx package atm. |
| 09:20.24 | berzerka | gnumm: just rebuilt using nvidia-installer yesterday.. |
| 09:20.24 | gnumm | whichdriver is in it? |
| 09:20.47 | berzerka | gnumm: next should be 173, which is now in sid.. |
| 09:20.57 | gnumm | ok |
| 09:21.12 | gnumm | do you know when 173 will be in testing? |
| 09:21.38 | berzerka | no, but i wonder too, so i will look it up.. |
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| 09:21.44 | gnumm | ok |
| 09:21.45 | gnumm | thanks |
| 09:22.07 | et | berzerka: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
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| 09:23.23 | gnumm | et: there is no nvidia-glx package? |
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| 09:24.27 | gnumm | is this firefox 3 final or release candidate 2? |
| 09:24.29 | gnumm | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=testing§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=iceweasel |
| 09:25.13 | sladi | gnumm: It's the same apart from the about dialog. But I installed 3.0 final from testing recently. |
| 09:25.30 | gnumm | ok |
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| 09:25.52 | gnumm | k3b just burned my debian lenny kde iso |
| 09:26.00 | gnumm | i'll install it now ;) |
| 09:26.08 | gnumm | thanks for the answers |
| 09:26.11 | gnumm | bye |
| 09:26.15 | sladi | gnumm: I see I guess I remember incorrectly. ^^ Anyway they are the same, just the Mac version was different. |
| 09:26.19 | sladi | np |
| 09:26.25 | gnumm | ok |
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| 09:26.57 | cr3_ | heyya |
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| 09:30.46 | aNOOBisa | can anyone tell me what the kernel param swiotlb=force for AMD64 does |
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| 09:31.47 | cr3_ | what does it mean if after installing nvidia drivers menu.lst contains kernel 686 entry (and 3d hardware accel doesnt work in 486 mode)? now it doesn't work to add 'vga=781' for example in GRUB - at booting time i get error like "incorrect value hit RETURN to view available modes or SPACE to continue".... BUT! these values aren't screen resolutions (in pixels), but in format like columns x lines (eg. 80x40)... what happened? how to revert to normal vga modes? |
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| 09:32.34 | cr3_ | i remind 3d hardware acceleration doesn't work in 486 kernel on my computer |
| 09:33.04 | cahoot | aNOOBisa: you sure it's intended for amd64? looks like it's for ia64 in kernel-parameters.txt |
| 09:33.11 | freemer | hi all |
| 09:33.34 | Badzo | is it possible to run bluetooth on etch using backports? |
| 09:33.35 | cahoot | swiotlb=[IA-64] Number of I/O TLB slabs |
| 09:33.41 | freemer | i have some problem with my debian sid, i think it with new udev |
| 09:33.49 | extor | Is there any software or technique which can "patch burn" data sectors into a DVDRW disk after the original sectors start giving errors? I keep getting coasters but it is just usually 3 or 4 bad spots on the DVD |
| 09:34.11 | freemer | after boot a have 660 premissions on /dev/null |
| 09:34.24 | freemer | and some another problems in /dev/ |
| 09:34.28 | freemer | how i can fix it? |
| 09:34.43 | Corwin | I am unable to run 32 bit programs on my amd64 machine. I have installed ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk. I'm using 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 09:35.16 | Corwin | extor: I've never heard of anything that will "reburn" a dvd, but ti sound possible |
| 09:35.18 | aNOOBisa | cahoot its for xen |
| 09:35.38 | freemer | in udev rules i have KERNEL=="null" MODE="0666" |
| 09:35.51 | freemer | but it doesn't work for me |
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| 09:37.04 | zr | hello |
| 09:37.16 | zr | is there a release of debian for the Commodore Amiga? |
| 09:37.18 | Corwin | hi zr |
| 09:37.23 | extor | Corwin, it would leave 99% of the tracks intact but just erase, reformat and reburn the bad sectors |
| 09:37.39 | internat | that would have to be a cdrw or such wouldnt it? |
| 09:37.39 | extor | Corwin, are there any tools that allow someone to do that by hand? |
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| 09:37.47 | extor | yeah DVDRW |
| 09:38.11 | extor | It could also be done on a CDR using some trick with the multisession feature |
| 09:38.17 | Corwin | I had so many problems with cdrw's back 10 years ago that I've never touched a RW disk sence |
| 09:38.49 | Corwin | zr: I don't think so. |
| 09:38.52 | zr | cdrw.... soooo '90s |
| 09:38.58 | zr | Corwin: :( |
| 09:39.26 | Corwin | Commodore had a UNIX for amigas, amny years ago a friend ran it |
| 09:39.27 | enouf | cahoot: wow, i didn't even notice that when looking at it -- http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt#L207 but see how that param translates into x86_64 usage |
| 09:39.50 | extor | Corwin did you ever try to see if the problem was bad media, as in NOT manufactured by that Tyco company? |
| 09:40.15 | mordy_ | hello all |
| 09:40.31 | Corwin | it probably was, the brand was CompUSA, I got 50 from ebay and NONE of them worked reliably |
| 09:40.35 | extor | Cuz it was brought to my attention that the best media is made by some japanese company and all the other media is just crap |
| 09:40.41 | Corwin | hi mordy |
| 09:40.48 | cr3_ | what does it mean if after installing nvidia drivers menu.lst contains kernel 686 entry (and 3d hardware accel doesnt work in 486 mode)? now it doesn't work to add 'vga=781' for example in GRUB - at booting time i get error like "incorrect value hit RETURN to view available modes or SPACE to continue".... BUT! these values aren't screen resolutions (in pixels), but in format like columns x lines (eg. 80x40)... what happened? how to revert to normal vga modes? |
| 09:40.50 | berzerka | et: what do you want to point me to? |
| 09:41.02 | enouf | machvec= [IA64] Force the use of a particular machine-vector Example: machvec=hpzx1_swiotlb |
| 09:41.02 | extor | Oh gawd I had some CompUSA CDRWs too...they had the compusa logo embossed on them in silver. |
| 09:41.17 | jgr | /part |
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| 09:41.25 | et | berzerka: no nvidia-glx there. |
| 09:41.29 | mordy_ | cr3 = try vga=normal |
| 09:41.34 | extor | One of my DVDRW is fucked and the other burns perfectly. So it could be a laser issue too |
| 09:41.37 | berzerka | et: i know, the question is why. |
| 09:41.38 | Corwin | thoes were the disks. Never gone near RW again |
| 09:41.47 | enouf | extor: yes, MIJ is best |
| 09:41.55 | extor | MIJ stands for what? |
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| 09:42.06 | et | berzerka: "< berzerka> gnumm: testing has nvidia-glx package atm." |
| 09:42.08 | enouf | made in _______ |
| 09:42.23 | mordy_ | Made in Mars |
| 09:42.43 | berzerka | et: ohh that was supposed to be testing has NO nvidis-glx package. thanks.... |
| 09:42.49 | extor | its not just japan |
| 09:42.54 | cahoot | enouf: kernel-parm.txt not sufficiently updated? (all greek to me anyway) ;) |
| 09:42.56 | extor | it has to be this special japanese company, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiyo_Yuden |
| 09:43.08 | extor | Either it has to be Taiyo Yuden or it has to be SONY |
| 09:43.17 | Corwin | I hate Sony |
| 09:43.21 | extor | Has anyone ever had problems with Sony DVDRs? |
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| 09:43.37 | extor | Corwin Sony uses only Tayo media, what sort of problems did you have? |
| 09:43.43 | Corwin | Sony dvdrw's fail at 6 months |
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| 09:43.58 | Corwin | never used their disks as I stay away from the company |
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| 09:44.28 | mordy_ | cr3 those options represent rows x columns - lines x letters and represent the console 'resolution' |
| 09:44.30 | extor | wtf are you sure? |
| 09:44.34 | prahal | cr3_, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Framebuffer_Support look for vesafb section 781 is a weird resolution . Maybe not supported by your card |
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| 09:45.11 | mordy_ | prahal - still slaving over my problem - i think it's compiled inside my kernel :(( |
| 09:45.12 | enouf | extor: shame there isn't a dvd equiv of readcd/readom -c2scan eh? |
| 09:45.12 | prahal | try 791 or 792 |
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| 09:45.28 | Corwin | Yes, sony drives fail a lot, pioneer are next on the list |
| 09:45.35 | enouf | extor: it's Taiyo-Yuden, not tayo |
| 09:45.46 | extor | whatever |
| 09:45.56 | Lagbolt | my BENQ has lasted 7 years :) |
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| 09:46.01 | extor | Corwin, I am not talking about sony drives, I am talking about sony MEDIA |
| 09:46.06 | enouf | but sony sucks donkey genetalia anyway |
| 09:46.12 | Corwin | I'm talking about the drives ;) |
| 09:46.18 | extor | screams |
| 09:46.44 | Corwin | actually a friend loaned me some sony CDr's and they worked. Kind of surprised me. |
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| 09:47.10 | prahal | mordy, the issue is that a lot of things fails . As I told I am no expert in initrd things so this leaves a gap . Have you found out which was the framebuffer driver that was triggered : vesafb , radeonfb ? if vesafb yes it is compiled in kernel |
| 09:47.12 | mordy_ | can't beat sony's screens thoguh |
| 09:47.14 | Corwin | I've been using Fry's house brand, GQ (Great Quality), very cheap and they seem to work well |
| 09:47.27 | mordy_ | radeonfb - not vesafb |
| 09:47.33 | extor | they worked because sony gets their CDRs from Taiyo only and no other crappy manufacturer |
| 09:47.39 | extor | therefore sony CDRs work great |
| 09:47.54 | extor | one of the few smart things sony ever did--not make their own but have it made by the best |
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| 09:48.27 | Corwin | Personally I woudl pick Samsung or LG over a Sony monitor, but that partly because I don;t want to look at "Sony" all the time. |
| 09:48.27 | extor | maxell, memorex etc etc get their media manufactured by crappy places or try making their own which is why they are piss stains |
| 09:48.43 | extor | Next DVDRWs I will buy will be Sony |
| 09:48.48 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:48.50 | Corwin | 10 years ago Sony quality could not be beat, now they are just a pathetic washed up company |
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| 09:49.00 | mordy_ | prahal - maybe this could be of some information: http://rafb.net/p/pb4adr64.html , http://rafb.net/p/3Zfxg472.html , http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#5 |
| 09:49.16 | bobobobo | http://tinyurl.com/ads912 |
| 09:49.23 | Corwin | I've had issues with maxwell and memorex media, it's not quality like GQ! |
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| 09:50.09 | petemc | Corwin: washed up? as in winning the latest round of the format wars? and being one of the worlds largest conglomerates? |
| 09:50.15 | extor | I will never by memorex again in my life |
| 09:50.37 | themill | bobobobo: don't do that |
| 09:50.43 | maligor | verbatim has some TYs also |
| 09:50.48 | Corwin | and putting more DRM than you can shake a stick at in every product, including what is suppose to be an ISO audio CD? |
| 09:50.50 | mordy_ | prahal- search for 'radeon' - it shows several listings of 'FB_RADEON' which i gather is the same as 'radeonfb' |
| 09:50.53 | extor | SOME but not ALL |
| 09:51.03 | extor | SONY has all TYs all the time |
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| 09:51.06 | maligor | the non-TY discs are ok too |
| 09:51.14 | prahal | mordy, hum interesting http://osdir.com/ml/debian.ports.amd64/2004-10/msg00295.html |
| 09:51.16 | extor | fuck who wants to risk that |
| 09:51.29 | extor | I cant recall if all my verbatums were perfect |
| 09:51.41 | extor | But I do know my compusa, memorex and maxells were pissy |
| 09:51.41 | Corwin | I've had good luck with Verbatum |
| 09:51.45 | extor | so I will never buy them |
| 09:51.48 | maligor | never had a coaster with TDK or Verbatim |
| 09:51.50 | prahal | mordy, cat /proc/fb ? |
| 09:51.52 | mordy_ | hmm.. i love osdir |
| 09:51.57 | maligor | I don't burn huge amounts tho |
| 09:52.01 | extor | verbatun...naw they are crap too cuz my verbatum CDrs from 10 years ago dont work |
| 09:52.08 | Corwin | Extor: I've had exactly the same experiece |
| 09:52.19 | dondelelcaro | if you're generating coasters, usually that means that either your media or your drive is bad. |
| 09:52.19 | extor | My TDKs are crap too |
| 09:52.20 | Corwin | oh oh, don;t say that |
| 09:52.23 | sladi | extor: all discs degrade over time. |
| 09:52.28 | prahal | the thing I learned is vga16 may be triggered and it tells how to disable it too |
| 09:52.34 | extor | yeah but TYs degrade a lot slower |
| 09:52.42 | freemer | somebody have sid on a desktop? i found udev problems with last dist-upgrade |
| 09:52.43 | mordy_ | prahal - but it's not vesa - it clearly says initializing radeonfb |
| 09:52.44 | enouf | Results 1 - 10 of about 276,000 for thebest sony sucks |
| 09:52.45 | Corwin | I've heard that DVD are suppose to degrade slower than CD's |
| 09:52.48 | maligor | extor, buy a pressing plant if you want lasting optical media |
| 09:53.12 | dondelelcaro | Corwin: who made them changes things more than the actual media type |
| 09:53.14 | extor | I burn backups with a ton of PAR files with small blocks, that works for me |
| 09:53.22 | extor | trick I learned swimming in bad media |
| 09:53.59 | enouf | Corwin: you should enjoy this ;-) http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit |
| 09:54.11 | Corwin | Actually I just ripped all my audio CD's. According to accurate rip, 5 year old CD's covered in scratches would rip fine while 20 year old disks that looked perfect were covered in errors |
| 09:54.26 | zr | i do my backups by renaming them as porn, encrypting them and sharing them on torrent sites |
| 09:54.38 | Corwin | haha |
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| 09:54.55 | Corwin | using the Linus approach there |
| 09:55.06 | prahal | mordy, ah ok so infering from the osdir entry video=radeonfb:off (the documentation does not tell about this option though it could well be generic for all fb drivers) |
| 09:55.11 | extor | I think I downloaded one of your pr0ns when I though I had fished me an auto repair CD zr |
| 09:55.22 | zr | extor: SOH-RRY |
| 09:55.30 | extor | Except this was real pr0n...so it wasnt you my bad |
| 09:55.55 | mordy_ | prahal -'VESA VGA' |
| 09:56.01 | extor | damn where is my brain today |
| 09:56.38 | mordy_ | hehe, i tried thst - radeonfb:off |
| 09:56.46 | mordy_ | video=... |
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| 09:57.03 | enouf | maligor: actually, Many of my Pressed Store Bought commericial CDs suck .. they suffer pit rot |
| 09:57.23 | maligor | ah, yes, they suck air |
| 09:57.26 | mordy_ | well, it's vesa because i set it to vesa in X - X will only work with vesa - which isn't too good |
| 09:57.29 | prahal | mordy, could well be vga16fb I am trying to find out |
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| 09:58.42 | maligor | enouf, if it was possible to design the perfect indestructable consumable object, the universe would by now solely consist of it |
| 09:58.42 | prahal | mordy, that s another issue . X drivers don't use the framebuffer driver (except the vesa one). If they fails it is another issue |
| 09:59.16 | Corwin | maybe it is.. they're called atoms |
| 09:59.21 | mordy_ | prahal - i guess i could do a modprobe - no? |
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| 09:59.45 | prahal | mordy, modprobe what ? radeonfb ? if so yes |
| 10:00.06 | mordy_ | modprobe vesafb shoes it's not there, vga16 - not there, radeonfb *is there* |
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| 10:00.21 | maligor | Corwin, atoms aren't, unfortunately ;) |
| 10:00.25 | prahal | and VESA VGA is vesafb http://rzr.online.fr/wiki.php?FrameBuffer |
| 10:00.28 | enouf | maligor: all i want is equal copie(s) for free |
| 10:00.47 | maligor | enouf, the way things are going, they'll just make the media rot faster and demand you buy a new one |
| 10:00.50 | prahal | mordy, you cannot modprobe vesa and vga16 because they are compiled in the kernel |
| 10:01.03 | enouf | maligor: to be played on any device i own, and happen to choose to play it on ;-) |
| 10:01.16 | Corwin | I don't know.. I hear it's theoritically possible to store an infinitive about of information in the spin pattern of an electron. The atom is just the packaging |
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| 10:01.34 | mordy_ | prahal - if i can modprobe something - it means it's not in the kernel? |
| 10:01.44 | enouf | maligor: well, they certainly aren't going to give me Gift Certs to go shopping :-P |
| 10:01.55 | eth01 | Corwin: gobble-de-gook |
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| 10:02.22 | mordy_ | hmm.. let me do some of these searches though |
| 10:02.23 | peppe | mordy_: if it is already loaded modprobe won't tell you anything |
| 10:02.27 | Corwin | oh oh, my eithernet card is talking to me ;) |
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| 10:02.49 | peppe | mordy_: use --first-time if you want to know if it really did something |
| 10:02.49 | prahal | mordy, btw what was wrong with vesafb (sorry I forgot ) . video corrupted in console mode ? yes it s not in the kernel but could still be in initrd (which well I am no guru of) but that means at least that if in initrd it could be loaded early at boot |
| 10:03.37 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 10:03.39 | enouf | prahal: dmesg will tell you if vesafb is loading |
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| 10:04.14 | prahal | enouf, yup but cat /proc/fb too and it is easier . No need to parse the big output |
| 10:04.44 | enouf | vesafb: framebuffer at 0xf0000000, mapped to 0xc4880000, using 3072k, total 4096k vesafb: mode is 1024x768x16, linelength=2048, pages=0 vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:03cd vesafb: scrolling: redraw vesafb: Truecolor: size=0:5:6:5, shift=0:11:5:0 |
| 10:04.47 | mordy_ | http://paste.lisp.org/submit |
| 10:05.02 | enouf | parse big output? |
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| 10:05.08 | sladi | vesafb enables me to use more than 60Hz in terminals, no? |
| 10:05.22 | mordy_ | doh. i mean http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#6 |
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| 10:06.24 | prahal | mordy, it tells me something vga16 was modprobe vga16fb |
| 10:06.24 | mordy_ | hmm... why is radeonfb *not* there? |
| 10:06.40 | prahal | /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko |
| 10:06.42 | enouf | prahal: dmesg tells you a lot more than those 3 fields, lmao |
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| 10:06.56 | mordy_ | dmsg output is earlier in the paste |
| 10:07.23 | mordy_ | errr... i don't know what to do with source code :( |
| 10:07.24 | enouf | mordy_: lspci -k | grep kernel and lshal | grep driver |
| 10:08.19 | enouf | mordy_: sorry |
| 10:08.30 | enouf | mordy_: lspci -k | grep Kernel capital K |
| 10:08.37 | mordy_ | ahh |
| 10:08.53 | enouf | or grep -i ;-) |
| 10:09.08 | debabuser | hello, got a problem with /dev/null, random and uramdom with lastest udev, file permission is 660 not 666. some tips? |
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| 10:09.32 | mordy_ | enouf - no k or i parameters - what does it do? |
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| 10:10.29 | mordy_ | hmm... vesafb is there |
| 10:10.31 | mordy_ | but... |
| 10:10.52 | enouf | mordy_: i have no idea what your isues are, but if it involves any 3D Proprietary Binary Blobs, i want no part of it - that said, for weirdo resolutions try "uvesafb" in .24 and up |
| 10:11.20 | prahal | debabuser, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
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| 10:11.36 | debabuser | prahal thx |
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| 10:11.49 | prahal | debabuser, you can apply the workaround by hand to /etc/udev/rules.d/65_dmsetup.rules |
| 10:12.05 | mordy_ | the box is in X mode - i gather X mode switches to vesa drivers - which don't cause any problems - so now it mentions vesafb. but let me see what happens if i boot without X |
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| 10:12.19 | mordy_ | but then i don't know how to get ssh server |
| 10:12.34 | debabuser | prahal, dmcrypt users are special, reminded me :) |
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| 10:13.22 | mordy_ | 1440x900 - nothing weird |
| 10:13.30 | prahal | debabuser, I am not using cryptography still this package was installed and borked udev rules .... I guess udev should be more pedantic about rules and discard incorrect ones |
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| 10:14.30 | debabuser | prahal, yeah, i noticed 2-3 udev probelms every year |
| 10:14.31 | prahal | mordy, ls /etc/rc2.d/S16ssh -l |
| 10:15.19 | prahal | mordy_, $runlevel |
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| 10:16.31 | Corwin | I'm running compiz fuzion, I love the cylinder plugin. :) I can't figure out how to change the WM theme though. I don't see any emerald packages. |
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| 10:17.19 | mordy_ | ssh isn't there. $runlevel just returns blank. but i'm using 'single user' mode now |
| 10:18.09 | prahal | mordy_, you need to install openssh-server and start in non single user mode for ssh |
| 10:18.45 | mordy_ | prahal - it's installed - the only reason i'm doing single mode is to see what i'd get without loading the vesa drivers :(i.e. without starting X) |
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| 10:19.32 | prahal | mordy_, hum if the init start script is missing it won't work even in non single user mode |
| 10:19.46 | prahal | I was looking after your second problem (ssh not working) |
| 10:19.52 | mordy_ | should i just recompile the kernel and remove all mention of FB_RADEON and its dependents? |
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| 10:21.37 | mordy_ | it's my architectural proposition - but i don't know how to do it :( - i'd really want to remove all references to any FB - i'd still be able to use it if i wanted to, theoretically - yes? |
| 10:23.06 | prahal | Corwin, gconftool-2 -g /apps/gwd/use_metacity_theme |
| 10:23.46 | prahal | Corwin, compiz in debian does not have emerald support . gtk-window-decorator use metacity theme if told to (otherwise it has a default cairo theme) |
| 10:23.57 | debabuser | prahal, thx to my old kernel i could even boot, with 2.6.25-2 and udev bug i wasnt able to boot, lucky me |
| 10:24.09 | Corwin | No value set for `/apps/gwd/use_metacity_theme' |
| 10:24.27 | prahal | Corwin, you need compiz-gtk |
| 10:25.00 | prahal | Corwin, oh no sorry . Firt question are you using the gconf backend for compiz preferences |
| 10:25.20 | prahal | and are you using compiz-kde ? |
| 10:25.29 | Corwin | I use ccsm, yes I'm using kde |
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| 10:27.44 | Corwin | opps, I wasn't running compiz :/ Now sconftool-2 gives me true |
| 10:27.50 | Corwin | gconftool-2 |
| 10:27.53 | mordy_ | err... does /usr/src/linux-OLDVERSION... mean my old kernel before it was recompiled? |
| 10:28.34 | extor | Ok this is wierd, I went to newegg and neither SONY nor TY have rewriteable media! |
| 10:28.39 | prahal | Corwin, ps ax|grep window-decorator : is it gtk-window-decorator or kde-window-decorator ? |
| 10:30.19 | prahal | Corwin, install fusion-icon too . It will help you select the kde-window-decorator if you want kde look and feel instead of the metacity one (gtk-window-decorator) |
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| 10:31.45 | Corwin | cool, I installed fusion-icon. I'd probably prefer the metacity look as long as it works as good |
| 10:32.40 | Corwin | I ran fusion-icon. It seems lik it reloaded the WM |
| 10:33.09 | prahal | Corwin, with gtk-window-decorator (and gconf option set to true for use_metacity_theme) use gnome-appearance-properties to control the theme |
| 10:34.06 | Corwin | gnome-appearance-properties errors saying it needs the GNOME settings manager running |
| 10:34.25 | Corwin | then it came up... |
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| 10:34.36 | mordy_ | what's the difference between <*> and <M>? |
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| 10:34.53 | prahal | mordy_, <*> is compiled in kernel <M> is as module |
| 10:34.56 | extor | Why are some CDRs sold as audio and other CDRs sold as data? What is the difference? |
| 10:35.13 | mordy_ | ahh... so i want M? or nothing? |
| 10:35.14 | Corwin | extor: audio CD's have cash kickback to the RIAA |
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| 10:35.26 | Eulex | as far as I heard: quality |
| 10:35.28 | extor | Corwin, I'm serious |
| 10:35.30 | prahal | mordy_, yes |
| 10:35.37 | Corwin | I am serious |
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| 10:36.01 | Corwin | The difference is a tax |
| 10:36.01 | mordy_ | err.. let's put it this way - M means support (i.e. modular) while * is basically forced? |
| 10:36.03 | extor | Quality...meaning the audio ones are better quality? I don't get it. Which ones should I buy for high quality DATA cds..like burning windows XP Cds etc etc? |
| 10:36.05 | prahal | yes in france there is no difference . Every media sold send cash to the RIAA |
| 10:36.24 | extor | Corwin, if that is true then it is truly fucked up |
| 10:36.35 | mordy_ | support for framebuffer devices is * in my current configuration |
| 10:36.37 | extor | But what kind of an idiot thinks you cant burn audio to a data CD? |
| 10:36.38 | liable | they do that here too |
| 10:36.54 | Corwin | it's politics. I think some music component devices only accept the RIAA kickback disks |
| 10:37.02 | sladi | extor: normal peopel do. |
| 10:37.16 | prahal | extor, I gues it is a legal issue . If they find audio on a data cd -> jail ! |
| 10:37.16 | extor | scratches his head |
| 10:37.31 | Corwin | I must be an idiot because I burn CD audio to CD's |
| 10:37.33 | extor | Maybe they INTEND to make it a legal issue one day...and this is just a precursor |
| 10:37.37 | sladi | extor: I didn't believe it myself until I witnessed it. ^^^ |
| 10:38.02 | extor | How do you witness something like that,. sladi? |
| 10:38.44 | sladi | extor: I worked in a store for a while selling al kinds of paperwork-stuff AND electronics devices. :) |
| 10:39.14 | extor | interesting |
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| 10:39.53 | Lagbolt | anyone have luck with flash vids on cnn.com using iceweasel? |
| 10:40.15 | mordy_ | ok, i've saved my configuration - now how do i recompile the kernel? |
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| 10:40.55 | enouf | mordy_: i was afk, so haven't been following, but fwiw; the X vesa driver is /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so (and there's also vga_drv.so) maybe ~$ grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log can help you |
| 10:41.03 | Corwin | yea, fusion-icon let me change the WM. Thanks prahal |
| 10:41.16 | defrysk | mordy_, a howto here : http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 10:41.46 | extor | ok what I dont understand is why audio cdrs cost MORE than data cdrs..when there is no quality difference and in fact the audio cds are restricted??? |
| 10:41.53 | extor | http://www.target.com/80-Min-CD-R-Music-Spindle-Case-30-pk/dp/B00007E8AH/qid=1216377184/ref=br_1_10/602-6986010-4436667?ie=UTF8&node=366494011&frombrowse=1&pricerange=&index=target&field-browse=366494011&rank=pmrank&rh=&page=3 |
| 10:41.58 | extor | http://www.target.com/Sony-CDR-Data-Spindle-50-pk/dp/B00007DN1E/qid=1216377184/ref=br_1_9/602-6986010-4436667?ie=UTF8&node=366494011&frombrowse=1&pricerange=&index=target&field-browse=366494011&rank=pmrank&rh=&page=3 |
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| 10:42.22 | extor | http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/46643 <--- This babbling I found doesn't clear up the confusion much either |
| 10:42.23 | enouf | it's Sony - what more needs to be said :-P |
| 10:42.31 | enouf | stop pasting like that |
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| 10:42.39 | extor | they are both SONYs and priced differently |
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| 10:43.49 | mordy_ | enouf - i've decided to remove fb_radeon from the kernel - i <M>d "Support for frame buffer devices" - should that do the trick? |
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| 10:45.21 | Eulex | extor, the tax? |
| 10:45.21 | mordy_ | err.. wait - can i just download a new kernel without waiting an hour for it to compile? |
| 10:45.21 | extor | yeah ok I missed the tax |
| 10:45.29 | sladi | eulex: I guess it' the same reason why you can sell 1000$ power cables? |
| 10:45.33 | extor | this is truly insane though...who on earth would buy those "consumer cd copiers" now |
| 10:45.58 | prahal | mordy_, compiling a kernel from a debian .config takes hours . It has all the options. Btw I still don't remind what was wrong with the vesa framebuffer |
| 10:46.32 | Eulex | sladi, yes, or ignorance. "I gotta have an audio cd-r to burn audio" |
| 10:46.34 | mordy_ | prahal - it's not the vesa but the radeon - the radeon won't work with X |
| 10:46.56 | Eulex | prahal, hours? <1h on modern hardware. |
| 10:47.10 | mordy_ | takes about an hour on my computer |
| 10:47.25 | prahal | extor, this is all a matter of lobbying . join EFF (world) and FFII (europa) to avoid those damn *** from getting a law passed |
| 10:47.59 | mordy_ | but can i just download a kernel binary? i don't need any custom configurations |
| 10:48.06 | Corwin | Or move to Costa Rica |
| 10:48.14 | prahal | Eulex, with all options ... maybe but I only got 2GHz and 2G ram. Btw I make a bare bone .config for my use and it takes 15 minutes |
| 10:48.16 | mordy_ | and the old kernel worked fine - maybe it's there... somewhere |
| 10:48.26 | mordy_ | longs for his old kernel and sighs |
| 10:48.36 | Eulex | mordy_, what was your problem? why do you think you need a custom kernel? |
| 10:48.47 | Jabka | anyone familuer with a problemtic ethernet card that need special modules when working with 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 10:49.16 | Jabka | im building a CDD and i need to be sure that people could use it (when installing offline ) |
| 10:49.54 | prahal | mordy_, snapshot.debian.net and look for linux-image in package pattern |
| 10:50.05 | mordy_ | ok |
| 10:50.15 | enouf | make-kpkg on my p2 takes ~1-1.5 hours, IIRC |
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| 10:51.18 | prahal | enouf, yup but newer hardware are not especially faster for a lot of thing . It is only faster at multitasking but for single tasking they could even be slower than good old p3 |
| 10:51.25 | Eulex | Jabka, I don't know what intel pro/wireless drivers where included with 2.6.22, but I also know that they require non-free firmware -- which it is illegal for you to distribute. in any case, this is very off-topic for #debian. |
| 10:51.54 | Jabka | CDD is offtopic ? |
| 10:52.04 | mordy_ | eulex - radeonfb seems to be compiled within the kernel and is preventing me from working normally with X |
| 10:52.09 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: in general, yes. |
| 10:52.51 | Jabka | where is the right place to ask then ? (custmizing debian installer and fetching all packages only from debian) |
| 10:53.04 | enouf | prahal: heh, don't i know it ....but, iirc, make can be passed the -j option, and even dpkg-buildpackage can now also as well? hrm |
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| 10:53.08 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: we will sometimes talk about how to make them, but actually supporting a specific CDD isn't on topic here. |
| 10:53.10 | Eulex | Jabka, debian doesn't even have a 2.6.22 kernel nowadays |
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| 10:53.45 | prahal | enouf, maybe I need to learn about it though |
| 10:54.07 | Jabka | sorry .. |
| 10:54.28 | enouf | prahal: last i read was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472337 |
| 10:54.36 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: is there any reason why you're making a derivative of Debian? |
| 10:54.53 | sladi | mordy: Don't you just tell in xorg.conf what driver to use? |
| 10:55.04 | dondelelcaro | sladi: you don't even need to do that any more. |
| 10:55.13 | mordy_ | sladi - been there, done that - it only works with vesa |
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| 10:55.42 | Jabka | yes , i don't wont to rebuild d-i manually since it dosn't support some stuff i need |
| 10:55.46 | Eulex | mordy_, what problem are you getting with ati/fglrx? |
| 10:55.49 | enouf | prahal: and also see #458589 |
| 10:56.16 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: huh? |
| 10:56.26 | mordy_ | eulex - with fglrx i get a black screen, with 'ati' or 'radeon' i get a blue screen |
| 10:56.37 | sladi | mordy_: Good luck then. My X800 wouldn't work woth amd64 so I have Nvidia now. I wanted the closed-source drivers though. |
| 10:56.39 | defrysk | blue ? |
| 10:56.40 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: what stuff in particular, and why aren't you starting with the recent 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 d-i images? |
| 10:56.42 | defrysk | eeek! |
| 10:56.57 | nimbat | hi, is there a way to make starting/stopping init-scripts in /etc/rcX.d/ persistent over package upgrades? the original links are always restored after upgrades |
| 10:57.21 | enouf | nimbat: pretty sure that using something like rcconf stops that |
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| 10:57.51 | prahal | mordy_, what is your card ? what is your xorg.conf ? sorry I know you already pasted those while I was offline but ... |
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| 10:58.16 | nimbat | enouf: thanks, I'll give it a try now |
| 10:58.19 | enouf | yeah, i've heard fglrx + radeonfb do not play nice - way to go ati |
| 10:58.21 | prahal | because radeon X driver has nothing to do with vesafb . So those are different issues |
| 10:58.27 | Jabka | dondelelcaro , d-i that i have to use (etch) dosn't support some realtec card (property firmware) and sevral more (i was told that i have to work with etch since the extra packages are only etch compatible ) - i actually prefer to work with lenny or sid |
| 10:58.50 | prahal | I mean for the free driver the ati driver is well ... **** |
| 10:58.50 | Jabka | i got an assignment |
| 10:58.55 | Jabka | * |
| 10:58.56 | Eulex | Jabka, did you check out kmuto's custom installers? |
| 10:59.05 | Jabka | not yet |
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| 10:59.10 | mordy_ | prahal - my card is mobility x600 - when using 'ati' or 'radeon' i get a blue screen, when using 'fglrx' i get a black screen |
| 10:59.10 | enouf | all mine are =m ;-) ~$ grep -i radeon /boot/config-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 10:59.12 | Eulex | Jabka, then do that. |
| 10:59.15 | Jabka | Eulex, not yet but no ill check it |
| 10:59.17 | dondelelcaro | Jabka: assignment for what? You can easily use 2.6.25 kernels with etch or 2.6.24; there's no problem to install etch using the newer installers. |
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| 10:59.32 | Eulex | !kmuto |
| 10:59.33 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 10:59.35 | mordy_ | enouf - some of mine are =y |
| 10:59.35 | Shifty | how can i activate a software raid 5 which is declared in the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf? |
| 10:59.37 | enouf | er, except CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C=y and the debug one is not set |
| 10:59.44 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, there's no real problem with chucking the firmware in an appropriate location and causing it to be loaded) |
| 10:59.46 | enouf | mordy_: mine's old |
| 10:59.49 | Eulex | mordy_, what kernel are you running? |
| 10:59.58 | enouf | mordy_: notice my version :-P |
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| 11:00.13 | Eulex | 2.6.16? why? :) |
| 11:00.14 | mordy_ | 2.6.18 |
| 11:00.24 | Eulex | mordy_, which of them? |
| 11:00.28 | enouf | Eulex: just too lazy to reboot :-) |
| 11:00.32 | mordy_ | amd64 |
| 11:00.32 | Eulex | :) |
| 11:00.34 | mordy_ | etch |
| 11:00.59 | Eulex | at least the 2.6.18-4-686 has CONFIG_FB_RADEON=m |
| 11:01.09 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 11:01.15 | Jabka | dondelelcaro, ill test the kmuto now and perheps it is a much better approach that i used |
| 11:01.17 | Jabka | thank you |
| 11:01.43 | Corwin | ok, so if I use fusion-icon to change to metacity, i'm not running compiz anymore so my desktop cylinder goes bye-bye.....??? |
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| 11:01.56 | Eulex | mordy_, and that's the relevant option that you should look after |
| 11:02.02 | mordy_ | hehe, i must say this is inded a learning experience for me - i'm learning how the kernel works sorta |
| 11:02.10 | sladi | mordy_: I managed to boot fine with Ubunti Feisty 64bit ONCE. I dunno why but this never happeneded again. |
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| 11:02.20 | enouf | Shifty: read man mdadm{.conf} and see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* use zless if needed |
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| 11:02.45 | enouf | !wb abrotman |
| 11:02.45 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 11:03.23 | mordy_ | sladi - all FB_RADEON are =m except for 12C=y |
| 11:03.23 | nimbat | enouf: yeah, rcconf seems to do the job. thanks |
| 11:03.37 | mordy_ | that's in my new configuration - i remember a few stuff being y in my old one |
| 11:03.39 | Eulex | !tell mordy_ about blacklist |
| 11:03.55 | enouf | nimbat: yep, i use, nice tool - "/msg dpkg rcconf" and man update-rcconf-* |
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| 11:04.08 | mordy_ | eulex - tried the blacklist - but perhaps i shoud blacklist FB_RADEON and not radeonfb? |
| 11:04.18 | Corwin | Why does debian not have Emerald? |
| 11:04.30 | Eulex | mordy_, you should blacklist the module. which afaik is named radeonfb. |
| 11:04.36 | Corwin | Compiz is nutered w/o it |
| 11:04.40 | mordy_ | eulex, it's blacklisted then |
| 11:04.41 | Guerin | Corwin: because of the reason. |
| 11:04.45 | mordy_ | blacklisted and recompiled |
| 11:04.51 | Eulex | mordy_, note that it may be in the initrd, so check dpkg's factoid on blacklist-initramfs |
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| 11:05.06 | Corwin | Guerin: I'm not familiar with "the reason" |
| 11:05.22 | sladi | mordy_: I have no idea if the kernel-config is to blame. I didn't try recompiling the kernel, I was lucky I could use Linux. ^^ |
| 11:05.31 | enouf | nimbat: what it might be doing to achieve it, is just renaming the symlinks from SNN to KNN, thereby the /etc/rc?.d/xNNscriptname symlinks still exist - not certain |
| 11:05.37 | mordy_ | lol |
| 11:06.16 | enouf | nimbat: so any/all .postinst scripts check for that, and honor the conffile |
| 11:06.31 | enouf | erm, so to speak - i'm saying that mistakenly, but whatever |
| 11:07.09 | mordy_ | would just recomplling initramfs do the trick after the changes in .config? |
| 11:07.13 | prahal | mordy_, what is your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when starting with the radeon driver ? (pastebin package might help getting this one on line) |
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| 11:07.24 | enouf | Corwin: would #compiz-fusion know? |
| 11:07.40 | cr3_ | hi i tried to install adobe reader and i got the following error |
| 11:07.42 | cr3_ | http://pastebin.com/m3feeec8b |
| 11:07.50 | Eulex | mordy_, did you read blacklist-initramfs in dpkg? |
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| 11:07.54 | enouf | Corwin: i mean, as far as settings - not why emerald is out |
| 11:07.54 | Corwin | They would probably give the answer of "that's what Emerald is for" |
| 11:07.57 | mordy_ | yes |
| 11:08.05 | cr3_ | i have many partitions, / is ~200mb, does it matter? |
| 11:08.12 | prahal | Corwin, change to gtk-window-decorator . It uses metacity themes set in gnome-appearance-properties |
| 11:08.30 | enouf | Corwin: i was answering/replying to ; <Corwin> ok, so if I use fusion-icon to change to metacity, i'm not running compiz anymore so my desktop cylinder goes bye-bye.....??? |
| 11:08.39 | Eulex | mordy_, .config has nothing to do with it |
| 11:08.45 | enouf | i'm slow to read, slow to reply, so type slower :-P |
| 11:08.58 | mordy_ | http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#4 |
| 11:09.31 | Corwin | fusion-icon give me the options of Compiz, Kwin, and Metacity |
| 11:09.46 | abrotman | amphi: i ought to slug you |
| 11:10.25 | enouf | prahal: i don't and never have used gnome, but let me ask, is man gconf{2} detailed? i mean as far as how to change configs/settings and what all these specific gnome-* do ? |
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| 11:10.56 | Corwin | ok, if I run gtk-window-decorator I get a metacity theam w/compiz still running. |
| 11:11.09 | prahal | enouf, gconftool2 --help-client is all I use . I don't know about the man page |
| 11:11.17 | enouf | Corwin: fwiw, maybe as root or sudo update-alternatives --config x- [TAB] [TAB] |
| 11:11.22 | Corwin | so it seems like compiz-icon is worthless as all it does it shut off compiz |
| 11:11.27 | enouf | prahal: ah, ok - cool |
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| 11:12.37 | prahal | Corwin, it is worthy if you have compiz-kde installed . You can switch between kde-window-decorator and gtk-window-decorator . That s a tiny tool and does few things (but in an easy way) |
| 11:13.32 | enouf | prahal: also, pastebinit is only in lenny and sid, though the 2 factoids "pastewithoutx" and "pastebin pipe" should do ;-) |
| 11:13.44 | mordy_ | is debian wiki working? i can't seem to access it |
| 11:13.50 | enouf | s/also/FWIW |
| 11:14.12 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 11:14.15 | enouf | works here |
| 11:14.17 | prahal | enouf, for the meaning of the settings they are viewable in gconf-editor when selecting an option (or in their xml schema file) |
| 11:14.25 | mordy_ | i get a connection reset |
| 11:14.26 | Corwin | compiz-kde just contains kde-window-decorator, I don;t see how it lets you select between them |
| 11:14.29 | mordy_ | :( |
| 11:14.38 | mordy_ | can i apt-get a kernel? |
| 11:14.49 | Corwin | sure can mordy |
| 11:14.55 | enouf | prahal: hrm, interesting, though somehow, i'm sure i'll forget ;-) thanks |
| 11:14.56 | Vlack | hello |
| 11:15.00 | mordy_ | binary? |
| 11:15.24 | Corwin | make sure bas-completion is enabled, and as root type apt-get install linux-[tab] |
| 11:15.35 | Corwin | that's bash-completion |
| 11:15.56 | sladi | mordy_: you can reboot to your new kernel then |
| 11:16.31 | mordy_ | well, tab completion is enabled, but apt-get install linux- doesn't give me anything |
| 11:16.56 | prahal | mordy_, libgl1-mesa-dri installed ? |
| 11:17.05 | prahal | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 11:17.20 | Corwin | mordy: you need to be root |
| 11:17.35 | mordy_ | prahal - glx is, dri is not |
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| 11:18.13 | mordy_ | hmm.. it got uninstalled somehow - the package is there |
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| 11:19.20 | prahal | mordy_, apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 11:19.31 | prahal | maybe the ati driver messed up the install |
| 11:20.01 | mordy_ | and what driver do i use for x? |
| 11:20.06 | Corwin | prahal: where is this tiny tool in compiz-kde? dpkg -L compiz-kde shows me no such tool |
| 11:20.07 | prahal | radeon |
| 11:20.09 | mordy_ | 'radeon'? |
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| 11:21.31 | prahal | yes |
| 11:21.31 | Corwin | btw thanks again for the compiz help prahal (and enouf) |
| 11:21.52 | prahal | Corwin, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/compiz-kde/filelist /usr/bin/kde-window-decorator |
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| 11:22.14 | mordy_ | ok, let's see if this works |
| 11:22.22 | prahal | you can start it by hand with kde-window-decorator --replace |
| 11:22.30 | mordy_ | what is gdm? |
| 11:22.46 | prahal | gdm is a graphical login manager |
| 11:22.47 | enouf | prahal: oh, to review; basically if i can recall gconftool2 --help-client and gconf-editor, i should be able to do shit? ;-) |
| 11:22.48 | Corwin | gnome display manager |
| 11:23.03 | prahal | enouf, install tomboy :) |
| 11:23.08 | enouf | haha |
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| 11:24.08 | Corwin | prahal, I guess I just misunderstood you when you said kde-window-decorator was a "tiny tool and does few things" |
| 11:24.33 | prahal | oh I was talking about fusion-icon |
| 11:24.53 | Corwin | ok, got ya. |
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| 11:25.19 | prahal | it is just to avoid having to type kde-window-decorator --replace or gtk-window-decorator --replace , metacity --replace , etc |
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| 11:25.33 | enouf | ahh. i recall seeing that --replace option to swtiuch wm |
| 11:25.48 | enouf | that's a compiz thing, no? |
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| 11:26.03 | prahal | no work for metacity too . Don't know about kwin though |
| 11:26.08 | enouf | meh, *-window-decorator :-P |
| 11:26.16 | prahal | yes |
| 11:26.37 | prahal | compiz-gtk and compiz-kde |
| 11:26.51 | Vlack | how do I setup disk quotas for each user in debian? |
| 11:27.08 | Corwin | I don;t think fusion-ison it switches to gtk-window-decorator, it's changes from compiz to kwin and metacity W/O compiz running anymore |
| 11:27.36 | Corwin | gtk-window-decorator and kde-window-decorator keep compiz running |
| 11:27.45 | Vlack | how do I setup disk quotas for each user in debian? |
| 11:28.12 | enouf | Vlack: i'm trying to recall if there's a pkg for that? i know mount options matter (there's some quota mount option(s)) and see /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 11:28.22 | enouf | Vlack: don't repeat so often please |
| 11:28.31 | Vlack | ok |
| 11:28.38 | prahal | Vlack, http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/sys-admin/ch05s02.html ? |
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| 11:29.11 | prahal | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 |
| 11:29.22 | Vlack | I installed my first debian a while ago, its good but could not make cups work |
| 11:29.27 | Vlack | ok thanks for the links |
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| 11:30.15 | prahal | Vlack, cups . Tried system-config-printer (lenny ?) |
| 11:30.24 | enouf | prahal: and Vlack to add to the URL list ;-) http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialQuotas.html |
| 11:30.53 | enouf | (forgot to search my bookmarks, prior to responding :-P) |
| 11:31.16 | Vlack | prahal system-config-printer automation for cups? |
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| 11:31.59 | prahal | Vlack, automation ? it is an interface for configuring cups itself and its print queues. From fedora and well done |
| 11:32.02 | Gadicath | anyone having issues with xfce apps taking ages to start? |
| 11:32.32 | enouf | prahal: debian has those system-config-* deadhat thingies? |
| 11:32.32 | prahal | Gadicath, ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 11:32.48 | enouf | heh :-P |
| 11:32.49 | mordy__ | meh, i don't know what's wrong with my X now - it fails to detect the radeon driver- maybe i have it disabled yet somewhere else again - X gives a 'fatal error no screens found' |
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| 11:32.57 | Gadicath | prahal: nothing of note in there |
| 11:33.00 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, no trouble here. did it just start? or did you change something |
| 11:33.19 | prahal | enouf, yup . I don't buy all of them but system-config-printer is neat (found out how to share printers via ipp in a second ) |
| 11:33.41 | enouf | prahal: ok, cool .. that one, i'll have to look into more sometime |
| 11:34.04 | prahal | mordy_, good news . It means it goes further in the start process |
| 11:34.11 | Gadicath | Just started recently after a reboot. Something was probably |
| 11:34.11 | Gadicath | ERC> previously upgraded but not visible. ~15s to load xfterm on a quad core |
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| 11:34.36 | Gadicath | I've upgraded to the latest and greatest, but I'm still getting it |
| 11:34.40 | Gadicath | in sid |
| 11:34.43 | prahal | mordy_, try to make a new xorg.conf via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg after moving away the old one |
| 11:34.56 | mordy__ | yeah - that didn't help - same error |
| 11:35.11 | prahal | Xorg.0.log ? |
| 11:35.21 | mordy__ | i'm removing the video parameter from my menu.lst - although i doubt that will do any good |
| 11:35.29 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, how is your load? is something loading down your system? |
| 11:35.31 | mordy__ | but let me show it to you anyway |
| 11:35.48 | enouf | mordy__: rgrep -i radeon /etc/mod* |
| 11:35.56 | prahal | yup the problems are orthogonal . radeon X driver works well with vesafb and radeonfb |
| 11:36.07 | Gadicath | prahal: nothing in the log except init info. |
| 11:36.20 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: load is negligble |
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| 11:36.27 | mordy__ | what do you mean orthogonal? is that about my problem? |
| 11:36.43 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, this happens for all apps? or just xfce related? what if you load an Xterm or iceweasel |
| 11:36.44 | prahal | mordy_, I mean they are different issues |
| 11:36.55 | mordy__ | Fatal server error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices - from X |
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| 11:37.12 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: purely xfce. All other apps are nice and snappy to respond |
| 11:37.18 | mordy__ | ahh.. maybe i'll just give it the 1:0:0 - but still |
| 11:37.24 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, do you have compositing on? |
| 11:37.34 | Vlack | is xfce better than flux? |
| 11:37.50 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: I didn't, but I've turned it on since the issue cropped |
| 11:37.50 | tarzeau | is blue better than green? |
| 11:37.51 | Gadicath | ERC> up. Can that add to this sort of thing? |
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| 11:38.18 | Lagbolt | Vlack, depends. it is light weight , has ok desktop icons and fairly configurable. i like it. so it is a matter of taste i guess |
| 11:38.31 | Lagbolt | ERC> ? |
| 11:38.32 | Vlack | am not into guis |
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| 11:38.43 | Vlack | but I would like if it does the work good |
| 11:38.46 | enouf | whois ERC ? |
| 11:38.51 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: my client, the prompt is being included in my output |
| 11:39.02 | enouf | or better whois ERC> ? |
| 11:39.10 | Guerin | ERC is an irc client used only by the most diehard emacs fanatics |
| 11:39.12 | mordy__ | prahal - dprobe.d/blacklist:blacklist radeonfb |
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| 11:39.15 | mordy__ | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local:blacklist radeonfb |
| 11:39.19 | mordy__ | oops |
| 11:39.32 | Guerin | now don't get me wrong - I love teh emacs, but that's one shitty client |
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| 11:39.33 | enouf | Guerin: ahh, so what is erc, thanks |
| 11:39.44 | enouf | mordy__: nice work :-P |
| 11:39.46 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, lol dunno , did it start getting slow after you started using that? |
| 11:40.02 | enouf | oh, you don't want that? nm then |
| 11:40.08 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: :) no |
| 11:40.12 | prahal | mordy_, what is your Xorg.0.log with dpkg-reconfigure generated xorg.conf . Could well be there s a bug in the detection code (missing pci id for your card) |
| 11:40.16 | mordy__ | enouf- i don't know if you're serious - but it's not doing any good-\ |
| 11:40.33 | mordy__ | i think that's the case - can i enter it manually? |
| 11:40.37 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, i had some slowness issues with it when compositing was on but that was more an issue when resizing, caused a huge load on X |
| 11:40.38 | enouf | mordy__: i misunderstood, my bad |
| 11:40.41 | deufrai | hi there, good people. I've been put in charge of refurbishing an old debian box (wich was used as an intranet server) into a gateway. Tech guys are going to put in a second net card. I'm having a hard time figuring out how this new hardware will be recognized by existing system |
| 11:40.54 | prahal | mordy_, yes |
| 11:41.01 | mordy__ | i'm getting the feeling that X can't detect my card when i have the radeon fb blacklisted. but indeed they are two different configurations |
| 11:41.03 | enouf | deufrai: lspci -nn |
| 11:41.05 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: hmm, I'm not seeing any load spikes |
| 11:41.08 | Lagbolt | if other apps are starting quickly i would look at settings for xfce term. maybe mv some config files away and see what defaults do |
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| 11:41.33 | deufrai | enouf: will the second NIC be recognized automatically (if it's not too old) ? |
| 11:41.34 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: it's every xfce, including run |
| 11:41.42 | enouf | deufrai: /msg dpkg which driver but your Device/VendorIDs from lspci -nn will do |
| 11:41.50 | prahal | mordy_, I guess it tries to fallback to framebuffer if the pci id is missing for radeon https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/28925 ? |
| 11:41.52 | enouf | deufrai: sure, it should |
| 11:42.04 | enouf | deufrai: also see dmesg |
| 11:42.06 | mordy__ | ahh |
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| 11:42.08 | Lagbolt | Gadicath, and you cant think of anything you might have done. . . although you did upgrade using SID right? maybe you found a problem. go to #xfce and ask in there |
| 11:42.09 | Corwin | deufrai: Linux rocks for hardware support. lspci will list the device ID's, but 99 times out of 100 the correct net module will load automatically |
| 11:42.12 | prahal | so it is not really an issue because we don't want to use the framebuffer driver |
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| 11:42.32 | mordy__ | let me try this now again - where do i enter it? or maybe i'll just restore one of my old xorg.conf files - i've got dozens of them :D |
| 11:42.34 | Gadicath | Lagbolt: yeah, it is sid. I'll try xfce, thanks |
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| 11:42.51 | deufrai | ok, new NIC will pop in soon. I'll bother you guys laterz maybe. thanx |
| 11:43.04 | enouf | deufrai: also doens't hurt to run update-pciids and update-usbids |
| 11:43.11 | infernixx | is there a way to find files on a system within a certain date range? I know find can do it, but defining a range is non-trivial. e.g. i need all files created on july 3rd between 19:00 and 22:00. is there a better tool than find that anyone knows of? |
| 11:43.21 | deufrai | enouf: thanx for that tip. |
| 11:43.24 | enouf | deufrai: /msg dpkg interfaces and /msg dpkg z25 |
| 11:43.27 | enouf | welcome |
| 11:43.33 | deufrai | enouf, Corwin : I'll keep you guys posted |
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| 11:43.54 | Corwin | infernixx: find is the perfect tool for doing what you want |
| 11:44.15 | prahal | mordy_, here is mine http://pastebin.ca/1075428 |
| 11:44.41 | prahal | change the keyboard layout |
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| 11:45.38 | mordy__ | hehe, you have the same card :p |
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| 11:45.54 | mordy__ | oh, well, not really |
| 11:45.59 | Lagbolt | infernix, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-programming-scripting/87732-find-all-files-modified-date-range.html |
| 11:46.05 | mordy__ | mine is mobility - maybe you've got a desktop |
| 11:46.17 | Lagbolt | infernix, a neat trick but it works |
| 11:46.23 | prahal | mordy_, close to it . I got a mobility too but an X60 not X600 |
| 11:46.26 | Corwin | infernixx: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-programming-scripting/87732-find-all-files-modified-date-range.html |
| 11:46.36 | enouf | WTF http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind ??? |
| 11:46.37 | Lagbolt | Corwin, :) nice |
| 11:46.42 | Corwin | haha you beat me |
| 11:46.49 | enouf | where'd the page go ? :-( |
| 11:46.52 | prahal | the pci id is registered so I would not need so much details but I keep my old conf as it is working for ages |
| 11:46.56 | Lagbolt | enouf, WTF is right |
| 11:46.58 | infernixx | ahh, never knew i could do that. thanks guys :) |
| 11:47.30 | Lagbolt | infernix, :) google ... 4 words lol |
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| 11:48.43 | mordy__ | gah, what's wrong with me? i don't even know how to rename files anymore. i guess my acumen is intimately related with X |
| 11:49.27 | infernixx | hrm, doesn't seem to work though. |
| 11:49.38 | mordy__ | but let me edit that xorg.conf |
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| 11:50.05 | prahal | oh it is an X600 too ... guess your is a variant that s all |
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| 11:50.42 | mordy__ | you've gort a laptop?\ |
| 11:50.46 | prahal | yes |
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| 11:51.55 | enouf | Lagbolt: Fixed http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 11:52.03 | enouf | and infernixx and others |
| 11:52.21 | sarefo | my mobo died, i plugged the hd into the new machine, and can't get online. the old /etc/network/interfaces uses eth0, ifconfig on the new machine says eth3 is online (+ loopback). anyways, i'm offline this way. any hints what i could do to rectify this? |
| 11:52.55 | sarefo | /etc/init.d/networking restart did not work |
| 11:53.10 | sarefo | with changing eth0 to eth3 beforehand, of course |
| 11:53.45 | mordy__ | ok, modified it - now let's see if it's going to work |
| 11:53.49 | abrotman | what does the script say when you run it ? |
| 11:54.07 | prahal | crossing fingers |
| 11:54.31 | Lagbolt | enouf, sweet! |
| 11:54.59 | enouf | Lagbolt: yeah, it was spammed :-{ .. stinkin idiots |
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| 11:55.21 | visik7 | hi |
| 11:55.24 | Lagbolt | enouf, nice page, always like to see more ways to use it |
| 11:55.32 | enouf | Lagbolt: indeed |
| 11:55.33 | visik7 | is there a way to pin a specific external non official repository ? |
| 11:55.35 | mordy__ | gah, not another parse error :( |
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| 11:56.37 | sarefo | abrotman: you were not talking to me, were you? |
| 11:56.42 | abrotman | i was! |
| 11:56.53 | prahal | mordy__, maybe the Écran Générique translate to wrong charset . set it to anything else with accentuated characters |
| 11:56.58 | abrotman | sarefo: even if i weren't .. errors are helpful :) |
| 11:56.59 | sarefo | ah :) 'reconfiguring network interfaces...done.' |
| 11:57.16 | abrotman | sarefo: and ifconfig -a .. show anything useful ? |
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| 11:57.43 | mordy__ | that wasn't the problem - the prioblem was a monitor naming conflict.. now let's try again |
| 11:58.06 | sarefo | eth3 is allegedly online, with an arbitrary inet addr. |
| 11:58.21 | sarefo | but i need to give out a specific address, so it's not working. |
| 11:58.34 | enouf | sarefo: is avahi-daemon running? does ifconfig show a 169.254.x.x addy? |
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| 11:58.35 | wols | sarefo: what's in your interfaces file? |
| 11:59.00 | sarefo | right, address is 169.254.107.32 |
| 11:59.08 | enouf | sarefo: "/msg dpkg z25" and show us what ls /sys/class/net says |
| 11:59.10 | wols | that means it has no address at all |
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| 11:59.13 | Dewi | Eitan: default filesystem has been ext3 for a while |
| 11:59.19 | sarefo | avahi is running (whatever that is ;) |
| 11:59.30 | abrotman | sarefo: /msg dpkg zeroconf |
| 11:59.35 | enouf | sarefo: that's zeroconf / avahi crap - kill that, killall avahi-daemon |
| 11:59.36 | abrotman | that's what avahi is |
| 11:59.40 | Corwin | Any clue how I get the gnome theme manager to change metacity theme on kde compiz? |
| 11:59.46 | abrotman | enouf: killing it isn't going to help |
| 11:59.58 | enouf | abrotman: well, uninstall it afteer killing |
| 12:00.02 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:00.02 | enouf | give me a chance! |
| 12:00.04 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:00.18 | abrotman | if you configure your stuff right, avahi won't interfere |
| 12:00.19 | enouf | because it's worthless, useless and weak? |
| 12:00.19 | sarefo | sys/class/net only contains eth3 and lo, like ifconfig shows |
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| 12:00.26 | prahal | Corwin, with kde-window-decorator I believe it is managed by kcontrol kwin theme |
| 12:00.33 | abrotman | sarefo: paste your interfaces file |
| 12:00.57 | mordy__ | prahal - 'module 'radeon' does not exist' |
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| 12:01.29 | mordy__ | modprobe radeon gives no complaints |
| 12:01.45 | prahal | ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so ? |
| 12:02.01 | sarefo | i KILLED THE DAEMON!! HAHAHAA! ok, feeling better now :) |
| 12:02.11 | enouf | sarefo: kill avahi and any zeroconf, and restart networking and get your z25 and interface file in order |
| 12:02.16 | enouf | ok |
| 12:02.26 | abrotman | lala .. not useful .. lalala |
| 12:02.28 | Lagbolt | enouf, haha naughty file; "rm -fr . " <--- that is hilarious. |
| 12:02.38 | MrNaz | i'm trying to umount a dir but it says "device is busy" it was a sshfs mounted volume, and i'vekilled sshfs... how can i unmount the dir so i can mount it again (the process died) |
| 12:02.45 | enouf | not really Lagbolt .. not to me anyway |
| 12:02.53 | mordy__ | no such file.. |
| 12:02.54 | Corwin | all kde themes look like crap, I would like to use a metacity theme. |
| 12:02.57 | wols | MrNaz: lsof and check which file is open |
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| 12:03.20 | prahal | mordy__, apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 12:03.21 | Lagbolt | enouf, yeah def not funny if it happens. just glad it is on there, i never thought of it |
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| 12:03.34 | cydork | MrNaz: you tried fusermount -u ? |
| 12:03.38 | enouf | Lagbolt: where? oh, the wiki .. ok :-) |
| 12:03.51 | prahal | Corwin, then gtk-window-decorator --replace |
| 12:03.59 | Lagbolt | enouf, yeah the {} section |
| 12:04.05 | enouf | aye |
| 12:04.21 | prahal | the kde compiz bind to kwin but you can still use the gtk compiz under kde |
| 12:04.38 | mordy__ | prahal- package not found - apt-cache search radeon -> xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 12:04.57 | Corwin | right, I do that, but then I have no clue how to change the theme. Once I had a metacity theme selector program up, I have no clue how I ran it or how to get it again |
| 12:05.03 | sarefo | http://pastebin.com/d7f1c9daa |
| 12:05.12 | mordy__ | so i'll use 'ati' as the driver |
| 12:05.40 | enouf | hrm, i think the sit0 seen in ls /sys/class/net is ipv6 related, anyone care to explain a bit myabe? :-) |
| 12:05.45 | prahal | mordy__, it will not help |
| 12:05.48 | Lagbolt | enouf, ${1##*/} <-- strips all leading chars? never seen that before. |
| 12:06.15 | mordy__ | hmm... |
| 12:06.19 | Corwin | ok, looks like gnome-control-center -> appearance does it |
| 12:06.25 | MrNaz | cydork yea, same thing (device is busy) |
| 12:06.33 | prahal | radeon_drv is needed . It is just that the packaging has changed radeon_drv must be in xserver-xorg-video-ati then . apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 12:06.46 | enouf | Lagbolt: yep - man basename is nice too ;-) |
| 12:06.49 | abrotman | sarefo: uh .. eth0? |
| 12:07.06 | cydork | MrNaz: what wols said.. or try fuser |
| 12:07.07 | prahal | sorry for that seeking . The packaging changed few days ago . Maybe it just entered lenny and you don't have it yet |
| 12:07.30 | mordy__ | prahal - we're back to the blue screen again |
| 12:07.32 | sarefo | abrotman: i changed it to eth3 in the meantime, did /etc/init.d/networking restart, still not working |
| 12:07.55 | abrotman | sarefo: right .. so paste what you have now |
| 12:08.04 | MrNaz | wols there's an app that has a dir open, is there a way to kill that without killing the app? the app has some unsaved data |
| 12:08.11 | prahal | mordy__, Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 12:08.30 | sarefo | here we go: http://pastebin.com/dd381f5b |
| 12:08.33 | abrotman | sarefo: you could also try to setup the interface manually .. you may also want to check the switch/dmesg and see if there's a physical link |
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| 12:08.41 | wols | MrNaz: depends |
| 12:08.45 | Corwin | gnome-appearance-properties is what I was looking for :) |
| 12:08.50 | wols | either you can make it stop or you have to kill it |
| 12:09.02 | MrNaz | wols http://rafb.net/p/IowZL011.html thats the lsof output |
| 12:09.03 | mordy__ | one sec.. let me scan through what it spewed |
| 12:09.14 | wols | MrNaz: I didn't want that |
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| 12:09.26 | enouf | Lagbolt: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ/072 |
| 12:09.28 | chlue | Hello. I installed a new harddrive (sdb) and want to remove one of my old ones (hda). Debian is on sda (hd1 for grub), but grub is on hda (hd0 for grub). Is is possible to install grub on sda (by editing menu.lst) in the running system, or do I need use a cd after I removed hda? |
| 12:09.42 | Lagbolt | enouf, yeah i found that link :) good stuff! |
| 12:09.43 | enouf | Lagbolt: crap, i meant 73 |
| 12:09.58 | sarefo | huh, in dmesg: 'udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth3'. ?? |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | sarefo: that's the z25 stuff |
| 12:10.20 | Corwin | chlue: I would remove the drive, boot into a live CD, chroot into your drive, and run update-grub |
| 12:10.27 | MrNaz | wols sorry |
| 12:10.45 | SeboPL | Hi! Which email server package can you recomend me for small company (about 5-6 users). |
| 12:10.54 | Corwin | exim4 |
| 12:10.55 | enouf | cydork: !! |
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| 12:11.06 | sarefo | the last dmesg line is 'eth3: no IPv6 routers present'. before it says 'r8169: eth3:link up'. does that mean there's a physical link? |
| 12:11.23 | wols | SeboPL: there isn't a single "email package" |
| 12:11.38 | wols | SeboPL: yes the link is active |
| 12:11.41 | SeboPL | Corwin: And it need to be extreamly simple to configure ;P |
| 12:11.47 | Corwin | people like postfix too, and qmail is amazing but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 12:11.51 | cydork | enouf: "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 12:12.19 | wols | SeboPL: ifconfig -a |
| 12:12.21 | enouf | it was only 2! :-p |
| 12:12.33 | Corwin | the debian scripts for exim4 are not too bad. Run from sendmail yelling and screaming. Run yelling and screaming from anything with the name Vixie in it |
| 12:13.35 | SeboPL | Acctually I need the serwer only to verify my domain @ cacert.org ;] |
| 12:14.01 | SeveredCross | epic4-script-light is s'posed to be pretty good. |
| 12:14.07 | shefqeti | SeboPL: what do you mean by "verifying the server" ? |
| 12:14.08 | enouf | chlue: it's best to just boot into rescue mode and reinstall grub into the MBR of whatever drive you want, i'm presuming you're going to remove that drive (hda - hd0) |
| 12:14.13 | SeveredCross | knows the person who wrote that. |
| 12:14.27 | abrotman | sarefo: the ipv6 stuff hsouldn't matter |
| 12:14.33 | abrotman | sarefo: did you /msg dpkg z25 yet ? |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | sarefo: if you reset udev .. you'll have to change your interfaces file too |
| 12:14.52 | enouf | chlue: make sure your Drives are in correct boot order in BIOS too, and if you use grub-install manually, try the --recheck option , the /boot/grub/devices.map file |
| 12:14.52 | SeboPL | they sends domain verification e-mail to root@[your domain] |
| 12:15.06 | chlue | enouf: yes hda is going to be removed so sda will be the new hd0 bootdrive |
| 12:15.15 | enouf | chlue: oh, and check that /etc/fstab is all good |
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| 12:15.21 | SeboPL | so I need some e-mail server to get this mail ;] |
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| 12:15.32 | sarefo | abrotman: actually i could not parse /msg dpkg z25 ... :) |
| 12:15.43 | abrotman | you couldn't? |
| 12:15.51 | enouf | chlue: sure, or you could just install it to both drives, but yeah, /msg dpkg rescue |
| 12:15.59 | shefqeti | SeboPL: I believe the vanilla exim4 that comes with debian can do what you want perfectly |
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| 12:16.12 | enouf | !tell sarefo -about z25 |
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| 12:16.41 | SeboPL | so I just need to #apt-get install exim4 |
| 12:16.45 | sarefo | guys, ok, i never used /msg before, i looked it up :) |
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| 12:17.02 | abrotman | sarefo: in your irc client "/msg dpkg z25" |
| 12:17.03 | Corwin | they're a few options, heavy and light, you can pick the light one |
| 12:17.44 | prahal | Eitan, when your back leave me a memo on freenode. I ll be away for a while now |
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| 12:18.19 | mordy_ | disconnected. damn windoze |
| 12:18.22 | sarefo | dpkg is not talking to me :( |
| 12:18.22 | dpkg | sarefo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:18.27 | chlue | enouf: my guess would be to manually edit device.map and menu.lst and then issue "grub-install /dev/sda". But I am a bit afraid. |
| 12:18.35 | enouf | sarefo: register abd identify |
| 12:18.38 | enouf | and* |
| 12:18.42 | shefqeti | SeboPL: normally yes. You will have to correctly supply the information at installtime for exim4 and that should be suficient |
| 12:18.54 | enouf | chlue: well .. you should be ;-) |
| 12:19.29 | chlue | enouf: but that should work, if done correctly, right? |
| 12:19.49 | enouf | chlue: but that sounds about right, |
| 12:19.54 | sarefo | dpkg z25 |
| 12:19.55 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 12:20.27 | abrotman | sarefo: in your irc client "/msg dpkg z25" |
| 12:20.29 | SeboPL | shefqedi: So lets try exim4 :) ...I'll be back if somethink wouldn't work. |
| 12:20.35 | Corwin | what happens when you change your mac? |
| 12:21.09 | enouf | it breaks? |
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| 12:21.40 | shefqeti | SeboPL: be noticed that exim does smtp only. If you want a retreival means like pop3 or imap you will need the server for that too. But for testing whether the emails arrive or not, you can use exim only and then check the mailboxes from within dhe server machine |
| 12:21.50 | enouf | or, maybe it just spoofs it :-P |
| 12:22.19 | enouf | no, it will create a new entry - my guess |
| 12:22.20 | mordy_ | meh, i think i'll just recompile the kernel - how do i do it? |
| 12:22.22 | Corwin | a server like dovecot handles the imap |
| 12:22.25 | jelly | the new card becomes next available ethX |
| 12:22.30 | mordy_ | or better yet - where can i get a ready made kernel? |
| 12:22.49 | Corwin | mordy, debian has the latest kernels ready made! |
| 12:23.00 | cydork | mordy_: why do you want to compile it? |
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| 12:23.26 | zr | mordy_: the very best, hand made kernels, straight out of some indian sweatshop |
| 12:23.31 | enouf | ok folks, mordy_ is have ATI fglxr + radoen + radeonfb issues in X and stuffs |
| 12:23.43 | ternimator3 | yo ca't get firefox to load flash player. how can i lad it after installing |
| 12:23.43 | SeboPL | shefqeti: Yes. I've found out that I've got exim allready installed ;] |
| 12:23.47 | enouf | though, he might have removed fglrx now? |
| 12:23.52 | mordy_ | zr ROTFL |
| 12:24.00 | mordy_ | fglrx is removed |
| 12:24.09 | sarefo | so, i changed z25_persistent-net.rules to identify eth0 as eth0, changed the eth3 in interfaces back to eth0, did 'udevcontrol reload_rules', restarted network. didn't work. |
| 12:24.21 | enouf | reinstall your libg1-mesa-* |
| 12:24.25 | enouf | erm gl1 |
| 12:24.32 | mordy_ | enouf - did that |
| 12:24.33 | zr | mordy_: nw you can have your name, and that of your loved one, compiled in your kernel for a low low price |
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| 12:24.37 | wols | sarefo: ifconfig -a |
| 12:24.42 | mordy_ | zr ROTFL |
| 12:24.58 | ternimator3 | debian shitfaces |
| 12:25.02 | ternimator3 | hury up |
| 12:25.11 | enouf | !hurry |
| 12:25.11 | wols | ternimator3: don't do that |
| 12:25.11 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 12:25.23 | shefqeti | SeboPL: you might need to reconfigure it. If you do, try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:25.30 | sarefo | wols: still eth3, forgot to mention this. |
| 12:25.41 | zr | wow, it' pretty rough here in #debian |
| 12:25.43 | mordy_ | well, seriously - where can i get my very own, ready made, high quality kernel? |
| 12:25.58 | wols | mordy_: very own and ready made? |
| 12:26.05 | wols | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 12:26.12 | Corwin | I think stock debian kernels are ready made, high quality kernels |
| 12:26.16 | mordy_ | wols, they both sound good, but they are indeed a contradiction in terms |
| 12:26.21 | MacGyverNL | zr: Well, when you're called "shitfaces" it tends to temper the inclination to help people. |
| 12:26.30 | Lagbolt | ternimator3, doesnt show up in about:plugins? |
| 12:26.47 | wols | ternimator3: how did you install flash player? |
| 12:26.50 | sarefo | ternimator3: btw, there's no such thing as firefox in debian... |
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| 12:26.54 | kleop2 | hello |
| 12:26.56 | kleop2 | how can I tell konsole to stfu and stop beeping while I use it? |
| 12:26.58 | enouf | SeboPL: fwiw, there's a few update-exim* man pages; man update-<TAB><TAB> |
| 12:26.59 | abrotman | ho changed that? |
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| 12:27.16 | wols | abrotman: what? your w key? |
| 12:27.21 | abrotman | looks at enouf |
| 12:27.23 | ternimator3 | eat shits yo |
| 12:27.26 | mordy_ | well, marketing things generally involves lies and deception of sorts. just like the salesperson who sold me this laptop claiming it to ahve a 800fsb |
| 12:27.26 | ternimator3 | just do it |
| 12:27.28 | Corwin | enouf: Let me know, that always pisses me off too. beep.. beep.. |
| 12:27.32 | ternimator3 | please? |
| 12:27.37 | wols | abrotman: can you please make ternimator3 stop? |
| 12:27.47 | ternimator3 | wols you shut up |
| 12:27.49 | Lagbolt | ternimator3, :) you are so cute i want to take you home |
| 12:27.50 | ternimator3 | ;) |
| 12:27.51 | abrotman | ternimator3: stop it |
| 12:27.53 | sarefo | wols: sadly i cannot paste the complete ifconfig output, i'm not online on this machine ;) |
| 12:28.04 | abrotman | ternimator3: no one is going to help you with an attitude like that |
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| 12:28.17 | wols | ternimator3: answer me |
| 12:28.17 | ternimator3 | Lagbolt just who do yu think you are? |
| 12:28.26 | Corwin | opps, I clicked the wrong name.. lack of sleep |
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| 12:28.27 | Lagbolt | wols, i dont think he is here for help |
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| 12:28.29 | enouf | abrotman: changed the hurry factoid? i did years ago (appended) |
| 12:28.31 | wols | abrotman: he clearly is a troll |
| 12:28.42 | ternimator3 | wols i knew you were bunch of crack head bullies |
| 12:28.50 | abrotman | ternimator3: which version of Debian do you have? |
| 12:28.51 | MacGyverNL | Gents: About the console beeps: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/110 |
| 12:28.52 | enouf | abrotman: where have you been? :-P |
| 12:28.52 | shefqeti | ternimator3: how old are you ? |
| 12:28.53 | mordy_ | i can't access the debian.org site - anyone else having this problem? is it working? maybe the mossad banned it |
| 12:28.55 | jelly | Lagbolt: I bet you also take sick kittens home and nurse them to health |
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| 12:29.02 | abrotman | enouf: busy .. deleted project.. remember? |
| 12:29.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:29.04 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.10 | ternimator3 | i am 15 |
| 12:29.10 | enouf | heh |
| 12:29.20 | kleop2 | hmm can anyone tell me, how to disable the beeping sound while using konsole or gnome-terminal? |
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| 12:29.26 | shefqeti | that explains a lot then |
| 12:29.33 | MacGyverNL | kleop2, Corwin, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/110 <-- might be what you want. |
| 12:29.35 | abrotman | kleop2: /msg dpkg bell .. or beep .. whichever it was |
| 12:29.35 | s0n1 | hi |
| 12:29.36 | Lagbolt | jelly, once i had a one winged mourning dove i found. lol but now i am way offtopic :( |
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| 12:29.40 | ternimator3 | abrotman fuck debian i use suse linux |
| 12:29.43 | Corwin | kleop2: read what MacGyverNL said |
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| 12:29.53 | enouf | Corwin: i'm not following you - but, nm me ;-) |
| 12:29.53 | Lagbolt | thank you abrotman :) |
| 12:29.54 | s0n1 | i need download ISO debian witch suport a RAID1 for hardware |
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| 12:29.59 | jelly | !highfive abrotman |
| 12:29.59 | dpkg | gives abrotman a big high-five |
| 12:30.03 | wols | abrotman: wtf took you so long? |
| 12:30.11 | abrotman | we let you stay :) |
| 12:30.15 | wols | s0n1: what hardware? |
| 12:30.18 | enouf | wols: he's getting old |
| 12:30.27 | sarefo | kleop2: there's also setting in konsole to switch off the bell |
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| 12:30.55 | _Alanovski_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/1474420/ |
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| 12:31.07 | wols | yay, another done |
| 12:31.07 | jelly | ^%$# spam |
| 12:31.30 | enouf | my favorite dictatorship |
| 12:31.32 | Corwin | beeps all gone no more!!!!!!! yeeeeaaa!!! Thanks MacGyverNL |
| 12:31.33 | abrotman | wonders if tomaw has automated kicking people that paste pennergame.de links |
| 12:31.48 | cydork | abrotman: try pasting one? :) |
| 12:31.49 | MacGyverNL | Corwin: And all it took was some basic google-fu ;) |
| 12:31.55 | kleop2 | sarefo: wasnt there some .inputrc setting, that worked on all xterminals? |
| 12:32.00 | tomaw | nothing automatic but it is on hilight |
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| 12:32.21 | enouf | Corwin: oh, you wanted to stop Bell/Beep? modprobe -r pcspkr; echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:32.25 | enouf | :-) |
| 12:32.28 | Corwin | but it took kleop2 to remind me how much that bugs me |
| 12:32.29 | mordy_ | where can i find the ready-made kernels in the repositories? |
| 12:32.29 | sarefo | kleop2: set bell-style none |
| 12:32.38 | kleop2 | sarefo: thanks |
| 12:32.44 | enouf | !bell |
| 12:32.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
| 12:32.47 | sarefo | kleop2: btw, thanks, that explains why my machine is not beeping, even if i want it to ;) |
| 12:32.52 | jelly | mordy_: apt-cache search linux-image will show you what's available |
| 12:32.58 | kleop2 | Corwin: you too? most users seem to be pissed off by it... why debian guys dont just disable it |
| 12:33.15 | enouf | but i like my method better - kills it dead :-) |
| 12:33.29 | SeboPL | shefqeti: I did #dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config... and now I'm confused cause I don't know which 'General type mail configuration' fits my needs ;] The system is always onLine but its IP is dynamic. |
| 12:33.37 | enouf | i could just shoot it i guess too :-p |
| 12:33.46 | Corwin | my biggest debian pet peve is why bash completion is disabled by default. Lets just take the best feature of the entire operating system and... comment it out! |
| 12:33.48 | wols | SeboPL: you need a smarthost |
| 12:34.01 | wols | SeboPL: or many sites won't accept mail from you |
| 12:34.06 | sarefo | enouf: my first reaction was to tell him to disconnect the pc speaker :) |
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| 12:34.13 | enouf | Corwin: wishlist bug -> bash maintatiner |
| 12:34.15 | sarefo | that's what i used to do for a while |
| 12:34.26 | jelly | Corwin: too bad there's absolutely no way for the user to enable it back! |
| 12:34.30 | mordy_ | now which one do i choose? does a new kernel mean a new installation? or not really? |
| 12:34.49 | enouf | sarefo: yep - some though aren't (easily) accessible - think craptop |
| 12:34.50 | abrotman | Corwin: people not everyone likes it |
| 12:34.57 | jelly | Corwin: real hackers use zsh anyway |
| 12:35.02 | jelly | hides |
| 12:35.06 | wols | mordy_: not really. what is your cpu? what do you want to achieve with a new kernel? |
| 12:35.07 | SeboPL | Byt I need only to get one msg ;] |
| 12:35.31 | Corwin | You show me one person who dislikes bash completion (who uses bash) and I'll show you someone who needs prozak |
| 12:35.58 | sarefo | so, as i changed udev to use eth0 for eth0, and did udevcontrol reload_rules, and network restart, why is eth3 still in ifconfig? |
| 12:36.20 | wols | SeboPL: restart udev |
| 12:36.22 | mordy_ | wols - my cpu is amd64 (em64) - i want to get a new kernel because it seems i messed up the old one by compiling FB_RADEON*=y in it - which is giving me all these problems i've been complaining about the entire day. |
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| 12:36.26 | themill | Corwin: it slows down loading of bash quite a lot and if you source bash_completion twice then you can hit some nasty bugs that can prevent you from logging in even. It's safer not to enable it by default. |
| 12:36.27 | enouf | sarefo: new motherboard, onboard nic? |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | sarefo: it's probably done at boot time |
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| 12:36.40 | wols | mordy_: 32 or 64bit debian? |
| 12:36.52 | mordy_ | my current kernel is 2.6.18-amd64 |
| 12:37.16 | enouf | mordy_: i386 or amd64 install |
| 12:37.17 | Corwin | hmm. is the slow down part relating to ARM cpu's and stuff with 386 power? |
| 12:37.19 | wols | mordy_: then install that |
| 12:37.25 | mordy_ | amd64 install |
| 12:37.25 | sarefo | wols: i'm not SeboPL ;) |
| 12:37.31 | mordy_ | ok |
| 12:37.34 | enouf | mordy_: file /bin/ls .. ok |
| 12:38.03 | wols | Corwin: huh? ARM and 386? |
| 12:38.04 | mordy_ | ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 12:38.16 | Corwin | wols: lol |
| 12:38.23 | enouf | bingo - amd64 arch mordy_ |
| 12:38.27 | sarefo | enouf: yes, the network card is onboard |
| 12:38.41 | sarefo | restart udev, and still ifconfig -> eth3 |
| 12:38.46 | enouf | sarefo: but your HDD contains info from the Old mobo and it's Cards |
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| 12:39.01 | mordy_ | apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-amd64? |
| 12:39.05 | enouf | Onboard and PCi |
| 12:39.05 | mordy_ | or just install? |
| 12:39.16 | enouf | not reinstall |
| 12:39.22 | kleop2 | how to set inputrc for all users default? |
| 12:39.24 | enouf | mordy_: use -s too |
| 12:39.31 | enouf | mordy_: to see what'll happen prior |
| 12:39.37 | mordy_ | what does that do? |
| 12:39.39 | mordy_ | oh |
| 12:39.40 | Corwin | http://www.debian-administration.org/ is a cool site. I don't think I've been there in 5 years, I forgot about it :/ |
| 12:39.42 | enouf | in /etc/inputrc ? |
| 12:39.43 | kleop2 | how to get list of modes supported by my LCD? |
| 12:40.00 | enouf | mordy_: man apt-get ;-) |
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| 12:40.16 | mordy_ | man man :| |
| 12:40.25 | enouf | kleop2: hwinfo --monitor , xrandr ? |
| 12:40.30 | enouf | xdpyinfo? |
| 12:40.34 | shefqeti | SeboPL: if you have say the domain example.com, where have you declared the MX for it ? |
| 12:40.34 | sarefo | isn't there some wizard for changing these settings? :) |
| 12:40.45 | Guerin | !wizard |
| 12:40.45 | dpkg | i heard wizard is An enhancement to programs that makes them easier to operate by guiding you through, step by step, what is required to achieve your purpose. at http://www.photo.net/nz/klaus-and-stefan#wizard, or subtle and quick to anger |
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| 12:40.54 | kleop2 | enouf: no |
| 12:41.00 | enouf | kleop2: best is to see the manual :-P |
| 12:41.00 | kleop2 | info in xorg.conf is wrong |
| 12:41.01 | chlue | enouf: thanks for the help. System survied the the reboot without hda |
| 12:41.03 | mordy_ | "linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 is already the newest version." |
| 12:41.07 | enouf | kleop2: no what |
| 12:41.13 | enouf | chlue: cool |
| 12:41.16 | Guerin | dpkg, wizard =~ s/enhancement/dehancement/ |
| 12:41.16 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 12:41.26 | kleop2 | how to ask the LCD via eeidsomething so it will report what is supports |
| 12:41.31 | Guerin | dpkg, wizard =~ s/An/a/ |
| 12:41.32 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 12:41.39 | enouf | mordy_: oh, then reinstall .. i guess |
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| 12:42.07 | enouf | mordy_: or /msg dpkg backports.org if you wanted a newer kernel |
| 12:42.15 | enouf | kleop2: install read-edid pkg |
| 12:42.19 | mordy_ | crosses fingers |
| 12:42.34 | ootput | how do i get suspend/hibernate to correctly resume with X output? I'm left with a black screen when resuming in lenny |
| 12:42.41 | enouf | kleop2: it's much easier to google for the specs :-P |
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| 12:43.03 | mordy_ | i'll get you all beer (or lemonade) one day |
| 12:43.03 | sarefo | Guerin: what i mean is, when i set up debian for the first time, i did not have to specify any network cards by hand, so maybe it's possible to let this nice piece of code run again, without having to reinstall debian? :) |
| 12:43.16 | sarefo | but i like the picture of the wizard :)) |
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| 12:43.45 | Guerin | hmm, i think you can use that |
| 12:43.52 | Guerin | ethtool or something maybe? |
| 12:44.01 | kleop2 | I se ths stupid bell to none, but now vim still beeps... what the helll |
| 12:44.09 | kleop2 | whacks his box with STFU sign |
| 12:44.16 | kleop2 | * I set |
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| 12:44.18 | sarefo | Guerin: there's no program starting with 'eth' on this machine |
| 12:44.27 | Guerin | !installit |
| 12:44.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 12:44.39 | jelly | Guerin: ethtool is a low-level card/driver configuration thing, nothing to do with ip addresses and dhcpes etc |
| 12:44.48 | Guerin | (not that I make no representations of being correct) |
| 12:44.52 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:44.54 | Guerin | ok :) |
| 12:45.04 | sarefo | kleop2: you never want to hear a beep again? |
| 12:45.14 | jelly | !pcspkr |
| 12:45.17 | themill | istr there's a SoC project to come up with such a tool though. |
| 12:45.20 | Guerin | !bell |
| 12:45.20 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
| 12:45.24 | mordy_ | :(( i still get the radeonfb :(( |
| 12:45.29 | Guerin | bell is hated enemy |
| 12:45.39 | jelly | even taco bell? |
| 12:45.42 | kleop2 | thanks... |
| 12:45.50 | Guerin | insufficient data to comment |
| 12:45.51 | themill | bell =~ s/or or/or/ |
| 12:45.55 | kleop2 | can't this be turned off by default if users dont like |
| 12:46.02 | Guerin | we don't have Taco Hell in $country |
| 12:46.19 | Guerin | kleop2: of course it can be. |
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| 12:46.56 | wols | mordy_: grep -i radeon /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 12:47.07 | wols | mordy_: pastebin that and the output of uname -a |
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| 12:48.44 | mordy_ | wols - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#7 |
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| 12:49.14 | wols | mordy_: the kernel is fine. and you didn't blacklist |
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| 12:49.33 | danielvrf | hello |
| 12:49.38 | mordy_ | i did - could it have made or ignored the blacklist? |
| 12:49.42 | wols | mordy_: and you've been told times and again how to do that but you apparently are unable to do so. goodbye |
| 12:49.55 | sarefo | enouf: any idea where my old hdd stores its info from the old configuration? |
| 12:50.46 | mordy_ | gah, idii |
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| 12:51.41 | chlue | sarefo: /etc/network/interfaces or what are you locking, for? |
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| 12:52.21 | kleop2 | was names in read-edid created by some half intelligent developer... |
| 12:52.21 | enouf | sarefo: it's the modules that load from your initrd and /etc/modules, (and possibly /etc/modprobe.d/) |
| 12:52.25 | sarefo | chlue: i switched my hdd to a new machine, and there are still settings from the old network cards somewhere that mess the present config up |
| 12:52.47 | enouf | sarefo: but your networking and interfaces seem buggered |
| 12:52.50 | kleop2 | package name is "read-edid" , so the name of program is... edid? no. read-edid? no... get-edid.. sigh |
| 12:53.16 | enouf | dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 12:53.16 | dpkg | ii <pkgname> 3.6-1.1 enouf's private porn collection |
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| 12:53.23 | enouf | heh |
| 12:53.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question about writing device drivers, |
| 12:53.51 | Corwin | Does anyone have any experience with a real time kernel? Kde was absolutly unusable to the point of being comical when I tried it last. |
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| 12:53.57 | mordy_ | wols, i wondered why you're so convinced i hadn't blacklisted it |
| 12:54.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | The tutorial I'm following ( http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/drivers_linux?page=0%2C3 ) says nothing about the character device nodes and how to handle conflicting nodes |
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| 12:54.28 | wols | wols: cause if you said it's still loading |
| 12:54.45 | wols | mordy_: lsmod output |
| 12:54.48 | themill | wols: talking to yourself is the first sign of madness |
| 12:54.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | It just says "60 is the major number, 0 is the minor number" |
| 12:54.59 | wols | themill: I'm LONG past first sign |
| 12:55.00 | et | MADNESS? |
| 12:55.04 | et | *runs* |
| 12:55.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | THIS |
| 12:55.23 | Corwin | I;m pretty sure madness is a sign of intelligence |
| 12:55.53 | mordy_ | is comforted thus, by the fact that he often talks to himself |
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| 12:55.54 | zr | Blast_Hardcheese: mine says "I am the Alpha and the Omega" |
| 12:55.59 | sarefo | Corwin: if it's broken, it needs to exist beforehand, so there's a point. |
| 12:56.03 | enouf | bats in the belfry? |
| 12:56.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | zr: crap |
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| 12:57.27 | Corwin | My dad used to talk to himself while sitting on the toilet. |
| 12:57.36 | gadicath | Anyone else having issues with xfce apps starting slow? |
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| 12:57.45 | sarefo | enouf: /etc/modules only contains 'loop', in /etc/modprobe.d/, the only thing that i thing could contain such stuff (pnp-hotplug) contains no nic stuff |
| 12:57.47 | enouf | maybe he was talking to the Tidy Bowl man |
| 12:58.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | gadicath: Nah, I'm totally fine with xfce apps starting slow |
| 12:58.13 | enouf | sarefo: cat /proc/version |
| 12:58.44 | sarefo | 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 12:58.49 | enouf | sarefo: do you have dhclient issues? i mean .. remind me again what's wrong .. you have net now? |
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| 12:59.44 | sarefo | enouf: still no net. i have now eth0 in ifconfig (rebooted), with the correct static ip, but ping says unknown host still. |
| 13:00.04 | enouf | sarefo: what's route and arp say? |
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| 13:00.17 | mordy_ | wols - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#8 http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#9 |
| 13:00.35 | sarefo | enouf: route only finds localnet and default at eth0 |
| 13:00.42 | E-bola | How come when i want to install a newpackage, if i do it with aptitude it selects the recomended packages as well as the required, while if i use apt-get it only selects the ones actualy needed? |
| 13:00.46 | enouf | sarefo: pastebin |
| 13:00.49 | E-bola | Is this normal behavior under debian etch? |
| 13:00.49 | sarefo | arp finds 192.168.201.90 and .45 on eth0 |
| 13:00.53 | xulf | I cant find a webbased way to view my users quotas? |
| 13:01.06 | xulf | looked every which place |
| 13:01.18 | sarefo | enouf: argh, i'm not online... :) ok ok, i'll type it... |
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| 13:01.39 | enouf | sarefo: gah .. well - they need to be correct ;-) |
| 13:01.59 | Corwin | E-bola: because apt-get tells your the recommended and suggested packages, and lets you make up your mind if you want it or thinks it's extra crap |
| 13:02.31 | kleop2 | omfg |
| 13:02.41 | kleop2 | my gfx card is seriously ghay, how it can not suppoort edid |
| 13:02.41 | Akuw | hi |
| 13:02.58 | Akuw | i need to send 4 dirs and all dub dirs and files |
| 13:03.02 | Akuw | using ssh |
| 13:03.06 | E-bola | Corwin: well i prefer the apt-get behavior, im wondering why like say i want to install postgrey, but use it with exim, aptitude uninstalls my exim and wants to install postfix |
| 13:03.12 | enouf | E-bola: in Etch apt-get doesn't install recommends - in aptitude you can tell it --without-recommends or something |
| 13:03.15 | E-bola | all because postfix is a recomended package |
| 13:03.22 | Akuw | can i send all in .zip and later uncompress ? |
| 13:03.28 | sarefo | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d65ba612d |
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| 13:03.48 | petemc | Akuw: you can use scp recursively |
| 13:03.51 | enouf | E-bola: starting with apt 0.7.0 it default installs Recommends too |
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| 13:04.18 | Corwin | for exim you want greylistd I think, postgrey is specifially for postfix |
| 13:04.23 | tinctorius | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/4346.html |
| 13:04.24 | E-bola | enouf : damn :( |
| 13:04.27 | petemc | Corwin: no it isnt |
| 13:04.29 | E-bola | i think thats horrible default behavior |
| 13:04.41 | Akuw | petemc: but i can send all in .zip and later uncompress remotely ? |
| 13:04.47 | E-bola | Corwin: greylistd is not maintained, and postgrey works fine with exim |
| 13:04.50 | enouf | E-bola: you can stop that by adding APT::Install-Recommends="false"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 13:04.59 | tinctorius | """revert [the patch that backs out the tg3 driver], package it as a kernel patch package""" |
| 13:05.00 | petemc | Akuw: yes, you can use zip or tar, but you dont have to |
| 13:05.04 | sarefo | btw, is there some good book/site to learn about networking in linux? |
| 13:05.04 | tinctorius | how am I going to do that? |
| 13:05.07 | Corwin | ok, I stand correted. Thanks for the info |
| 13:05.12 | Akuw | why? |
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| 13:05.14 | E-bola | enouf: well its always soemthing u can change the default, but that doesnt change the fact i think its quite aggresive default behavior |
| 13:05.23 | E-bola | isnt it quite rare you want all the recomended packages? Atleast it is for me |
| 13:05.26 | tinctorius | is there some trivial(ish) way to package a firmware-enabled tg3 module? |
| 13:05.35 | petemc | Akuw: scp -vrC dir/ user@host:dir/ |
| 13:05.37 | enouf | E-bola: i know - not my fault :-P |
| 13:05.56 | enouf | E-bola: there was at one time much discussion and voting about it, iinm |
| 13:05.57 | E-bola | yes it is! its all your faulT!!! :) |
| 13:06.00 | bkw | How can I echo a string to top of file, echo "HTTP/1.0 200 OK" | cat tmpfile.10M.2 is wrong :( |
| 13:06.11 | tinctorius | without it, the NICs on my server are kinda useless... |
| 13:06.18 | themill | E-bola: if recommends are set correctly (some things that are recommends should be suggests) then you normally *do* want the recommended packages. That's why they are recommended. |
| 13:06.19 | E-bola | enouf: wonder what arguments ppl had for making it install all the recomended packages |
| 13:06.48 | E-bola | themill: I trhink its more often the case that things are wrongly set recomended than than correctly |
| 13:06.52 | E-bola | thats why its an issue |
| 13:07.17 | themill | E-bola: Can't say that I've ever seen it being a problem. There were a few early on but they are mostly fixed now. |
| 13:07.39 | themill | E-bola: if you think the Recommends should be a Suggests, then file a bug. |
| 13:07.50 | buscon | Hallo, I'm trying to setup a pppoe connection through wireless |
| 13:08.07 | buscon | but I don't have a ppp0 interface |
| 13:08.17 | deus___ | bye |
| 13:08.19 | pete_ | what a shame |
| 13:08.21 | buscon | do I need it ? |
| 13:08.21 | wols | buscon: not possible unless you have a dsl modem with a wlan adapter which is kinda unlikely |
| 13:08.34 | wols | buscon: the ppp0 interface will be created |
| 13:08.54 | buscon | wols, it is possible, unfortunately I have a wireless modem |
| 13:08.54 | themill | bkw: what output do you want? try echo foo | cat - bah |
| 13:09.02 | pete_ | your modem is going to do that pppoe shit thing and you only use wlan |
| 13:09.08 | buscon | you connect to it and then pppoe connection |
| 13:09.17 | enouf | sarefo: localnet in route should say 192.168.201.0 os similar |
| 13:09.19 | wols | buscon: the modem has an IP. can you get on to it? |
| 13:09.21 | buscon | pete_, ok, thanx |
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| 13:09.25 | buscon | wols, no way |
| 13:09.29 | wols | buscon: no. you have a router |
| 13:09.30 | maligor | ye gods... krita has stored a 500mb temp file in my /tmp |
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| 13:09.39 | buscon | wols, I tried to reset it , but no way |
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| 13:09.45 | wols | buscon: what is athe model of your "wireless dsl modem"? |
| 13:09.55 | buscon | wols, yes, it's a router, sorry |
| 13:10.07 | wols | since it's a router you don't need pppoe |
| 13:10.08 | enouf | sarefo: how's your /etc/resolv.conf ? and do you have entries in /etc/hosts{.allow.deny} ? |
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| 13:10.19 | klein | hi |
| 13:10.26 | jelly | wols: dsl modem with a wlan adapter kinda unlikely? my siemens dsl router matches the description (I don't use pppoe, but I could) |
| 13:10.27 | wols | buscon: what wlan do you have? |
| 13:10.38 | wols | jelly: router. NOT modem |
| 13:10.42 | enouf | sarefo: i know, ping should work anyway, but |
| 13:10.44 | themill | wols: both? |
| 13:10.50 | buscon | wols, I have this alice siemens router, you connect to it by wireless |
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| 13:10.52 | wols | a modem or only a modem. you have a router which also has a moden and a ap attached |
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| 13:11.01 | buscon | no way to have an IP |
| 13:11.04 | enouf | sarefo: i'm no great networker :-p |
| 13:11.12 | mordy_ | a wireless dsl modem is pretty much a modem wiht a router in one. i don't think you can ever get it to assign a wan ip to a wireless interface, or any interface |
| 13:11.13 | buscon | even resetting it |
| 13:11.18 | klein | I set my xorg.conf to include the mode for my LCD, "1680x1050" but this otpion is not avaialble in xrandr even after restart X why |
| 13:11.20 | pete_ | omg god lord. Stop wanking arond- Modem does that pppoe and connect to DSLAM. You connect to modem and get IP-address (statis/dynamic) That's it. |
| 13:11.21 | wols | buscon: it has an IP |
| 13:11.32 | buscon | then you made a pppoe connection through it |
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| 13:11.40 | buscon | wols, how can I find it ? :) |
| 13:11.42 | sarefo | enouf: i just came to the same conclusion, after a ping from another machine to mine worked fine. |
| 13:11.52 | sarefo | /etc/resolv.conf is empty... |
| 13:11.56 | pete_ | if you want todo pppoe throught wlan and modem i have to say that it's is so stupid setup that lol |
| 13:11.59 | wols | buscon: read its manual. and answer my question: what wlan do you have? |
| 13:12.01 | mordy_ | i don't know why you'd want a ppp over wlan anyway |
| 13:12.11 | klein | anyone can help me how to add resolution to xorg? |
| 13:12.14 | buscon | pete_, very studip, I agree :) |
| 13:12.32 | jetscreamer | yay, teh intarweb ain't broke no more |
| 13:12.39 | pete_ | buscon: yea :) I know cos have fight with some rounting over shit scenarios so many times :D |
| 13:12.41 | klein | brb |
| 13:12.41 | buscon | wols, I read the manual, but it tells about dhcp, while dhcp doesn't work... |
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| 13:12.46 | wols | buscon: you are pretty confused. answer my question: your wlan adapter in your PC: what is it? |
| 13:13.15 | buscon | wols, it's dwl-122g, dlink usb wifi card |
| 13:13.15 | wols | buscon: your problme is you need to configure your wlan properly |
| 13:13.16 | pete_ | lspci |grep Ethernet |
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| 13:13.21 | wols | buscon: and what chip does it use? |
| 13:13.25 | buscon | rt73 |
| 13:13.36 | pete_ | buscon: i have one similiar. Is it A,B or C revision? |
| 13:13.37 | wols | !tell buscon about ralink |
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| 13:13.53 | pete_ | it should work like charm and show in your system as wlan0 or rausb0 |
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| 13:14.05 | IpNextGen | Q.: What would be the proper method for disabling something that is called during system startup in the rc.d under debian? im used to chmod 222 rc.thefile under slackware... but under debian i dont know what is the proper method? |
| 13:14.17 | buscon | pete_ I don't know the revision, how can I get it ? |
| 13:14.17 | pete_ | IpNextGen: update-rc.d |
| 13:14.31 | pete_ | buscon: it reads backside of that adapter. Right next to MAC |
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| 13:14.40 | klein | wf is that: (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1680x1050"; removing. |
| 13:14.42 | sarefo | enouf: resolv.conf, hosts.allow and hosts.deny are all empty. |
| 13:14.42 | IpNextGen | pete_, thanks :D |
| 13:14.43 | mordy_ | pete, if it's rt73, then it's rev c |
| 13:14.45 | mordy_ | IIRC |
| 13:14.45 | themill | IpNextGen: either update-rc.d or mv SXXthing to KXXthing |
| 13:14.50 | pete_ | there some shitty thing other then A and C revision devices. It uses different chips |
| 13:14.50 | mordy_ | i've got one of those myself |
| 13:15.03 | wols | IpNextGen: update-rc.d |
| 13:15.05 | IpNextGen | themill, Thanks |
| 13:15.08 | IpNextGen | wols, Thanks |
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| 13:15.19 | enouf | sarefo: ok, well man resolv.conf |
| 13:15.21 | buscon | pete_, ok, it's C1 |
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| 13:15.40 | pete_ | buscon: and you got bulk etch? check 'ifconfig rausb0' It should be there. Then just connect to that wlan |
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| 13:16.00 | enouf | sarefo: can you msg the bot yet? |
| 13:16.05 | pete_ | or 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' unplug and plusin again and you see it |
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| 13:16.14 | buscon | pete_, I've already have my interface, it's wlan1 |
| 13:16.25 | sarefo | enouf: damn, i did init.d/networking restart, now eth0 is gone from ifconfig!! :(( |
| 13:16.33 | buscon | just wanted to know if I need a ppp interface for making a pppoe connection |
| 13:16.47 | pete_ | so configure that wlan as routing using wired connetion. If you are sure that it's online then connect to that router using wireless |
| 13:16.47 | wols | pete_: not true. m-a needed |
| 13:16.51 | pete_ | buscon: no you don't |
| 13:16.53 | wols | buscon: you don't |
| 13:17.16 | enouf | sarefo: "/msg dpkg static route" , "/msg dplg interfaces" |
| 13:17.18 | pete_ | wols: i never needed.. |
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| 13:17.29 | wols | pete_: what driver? |
| 13:17.44 | pete_ | Can't remember. C-revision. Just plugged in and it worked |
| 13:17.45 | buscon | I followed this guide |
| 13:17.47 | buscon | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 13:17.52 | mordy_ | pete, i think he specifically wants to get a wan ip on his wireless card, which is a cool thing, if you think about it |
| 13:17.53 | pete_ | i was pretty happy that i didnäät need to fight with it |
| 13:18.05 | wols | mordy_: it's a stupid thing |
| 13:18.06 | buscon | at with internet access installing |
| 13:18.08 | sarefo | /msg dpkg static route |
| 13:18.13 | sarefo | damn... |
| 13:18.19 | pete_ | mordy_: but it should not be problem. Just box to routing mode |
| 13:18.22 | wols | pete_: this is wrong. there is no ralink driver in the main debian kernel. end of it |
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| 13:18.49 | tubbybastard | can some point me to the location of documentation for x configuration in lenny, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf has basically zero information in it after installing, but my display is working great |
| 13:18.53 | tubbybastard | ??? |
| 13:18.54 | IpNextGen | pete_, ( update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/portmap exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) ) is it normal? |
| 13:18.59 | pete_ | wols: ok.. then i guess i got some custom kernel from kernel.org. But anyway this has nothing to with the "problem" he's having |
| 13:19.02 | sarefo | eunouf: nickserv says i'm already logged in (register,identify), but still dpkg won't talk to me in secret :) |
| 13:19.10 | pete_ | IpNextGen: update-rc.d -f portmap remove |
| 13:19.18 | sarefo | dpkg static route |
| 13:19.18 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:19.20 | pete_ | or portmap and remove vice versa. Can't remember |
| 13:19.27 | IpNextGen | pete_, but is it normal? to have to force it? |
| 13:19.30 | mordy_ | indeed, i can't see why he'd want a wan ip on his wifi |
| 13:19.30 | pete_ | yes |
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| 13:19.41 | IpNextGen | pete_, ok thanks |
| 13:19.45 | pete_ | IpNextGen: at least i have always needed to force it |
| 13:19.57 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Does Debian include "wl" driver like Ubuntu? The driver to some Broadcom cards? |
| 13:20.15 | pete_ | ilembitov: what is that Broadcom card? |
| 13:20.35 | sarefo | dpkg interfaces |
| 13:20.35 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 13:20.39 | pete_ | tg3 and bnx2 should do almost every BR |
| 13:21.03 | wols | ilembitov: wlan or wired? |
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| 13:21.28 | mordy_ | where else can the framebuffer problem reside? if it's not in the kernel and not in X? |
| 13:21.29 | pbn | Hello. aptitude update on Debian lenny takes like, 30 minutes instead of 40 seconds. Is that a known issue ? |
| 13:21.30 | ilembitov | wols: wlan |
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| 13:21.45 | wols | ilembitov: which one? |
| 13:21.50 | ilembitov | pete_: Broadcom 4310 usb. I mean, somehow Ubuntu managed to set this card up automatically, without fwcutter or ndiswapper, so I wonder what was used |
| 13:22.02 | wols | !b43 |
| 13:22.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>. |
| 13:22.08 | jelly | pbn: Can you be more specific, where does it stall? which mirror are you using? |
| 13:22.18 | abrotman | ilembitov: because ubuntu ships firmware |
| 13:22.23 | pbn | jelly: it is using a local mirror (apt-cacher) |
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| 13:22.41 | ilembitov | abrotman: So wl is actually b43? |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | wl? |
| 13:22.53 | pete_ | you can install fwcutter |
| 13:22.55 | abrotman | is wl the driver? |
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| 13:23.11 | ilembitov | abrotman: Ubuntu's lsmod shows an "wl" module |
| 13:23.12 | cahoot | b43 doesn't support 4310 |
| 13:23.15 | enouf | sarefo: you sure dpkg isn't msg'ing you in another window? |
| 13:23.22 | ilembitov | cahoot: That's why I am asking) |
| 13:23.24 | abrotman | ilembitov: is it pci or pcmcia ? |
| 13:23.24 | pbn | jelly: it says [Waiting for headers] and it's like that for many many minutes |
| 13:23.28 | sarefo | enouf: oops... :) |
| 13:23.37 | sarefo | i'm sorry, dpkg! |
| 13:23.37 | wols | cahoot: what does then? |
| 13:23.50 | ilembitov | abrotman: lspci says it's usb |
| 13:23.54 | jelly | pbn: so it's your mirror that's slow, not aptitude |
| 13:23.54 | abrotman | eh? |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | ilembitov: can you get the device pci/usb id ? |
| 13:24.03 | wols | ilembitov: lspci does NOT say it's usb |
| 13:24.11 | cahoot | wols: no idea just read on linux wireless page |
| 13:24.11 | ilembitov | 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01) |
| 13:24.19 | wols | cahoot: link? |
| 13:24.21 | abrotman | that's from lspci ? |
| 13:24.26 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 13:24.33 | wols | wtfranken device is that? |
| 13:24.36 | cahoot | wols: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 13:24.49 | ilembitov | abrotman: 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 13:24.58 | pbn | jelly: well I have the same problem on another lenny machine which uses a completely different apt-cacher mirror |
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| 13:25.13 | abrotman | you're on etch or lenny ? |
| 13:25.24 | jelly | pbn: can you try it with a normal debian mirror? |
| 13:25.27 | ilembitov | abrotman: me? |
| 13:25.29 | abrotman | tyes |
| 13:25.56 | ilembitov | abrotman: I am currently on Ubuntu and want to understand, what distros can handle this card like Ubuntu does |
| 13:26.27 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 13:26.27 | dpkg | well, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
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| 13:26.31 | abrotman | dpkg: you love me! |
| 13:26.31 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 13:26.47 | jelly | !which b43 |
| 13:26.47 | dpkg | From the linuxwireless.org b43 page: "b43legacy should be used on all 4301 and 4303 cards. 4306 and 4309 cards with a MAC core revision of 4 or less should also use b43legacy. b43 should be used on all other cards." |
| 13:26.56 | pete_ | ilembitov: from topic.. -> | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | |
| 13:27.10 | themill | That pciid doesn't match anything in the 2.6.25 kernel. |
| 13:27.11 | sarefo | enouf: oouf, i added our nameserver to the resolv.conf, now it's working! many thanks to you all. |
| 13:27.51 | enouf | ilembitov: modinfo wl |
| 13:28.00 | enouf | sarefo: heh |
| 13:28.12 | ilembitov | enouf: moment |
| 13:28.22 | jelly | pete_: try to follow the conversation instead of blindly pasting "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
| 13:28.34 | pete_ | jelly: for sure. |
| 13:28.44 | ilembitov | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m43345725 |
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| 13:29.11 | pete_ | jelly: you too. It have been already told that wl/shit is included FROM 2.6.24 |
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| 13:29.15 | sarefo | ok, i'm off into the weekend :) bye! |
| 13:29.41 | themill | ilembitov: can you: dpkg -S wl.ko |
| 13:29.42 | abrotman | slacker! |
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| 13:29.50 | enouf | ilembitov: wonderful ; NO Description? lmao |
| 13:29.58 | abrotman | pete_: if it is .. on lenny it doesn't match the pcimap |
| 13:30.15 | enouf | ubuntu must really suck ass |
| 13:30.16 | pete_ | hmm |
| 13:30.29 | jelly | abrotman: or is it usbmap! :-) |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | !find wl.ko lenny |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | hugs dpkg |
| 13:30.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | When writing device drivers what's the secret to picking major numbers, or is the current system that exists as fragile as it seems? (No offense intended, I'm switching to linux and some things are tripping me up) |
| 13:30.53 | pete_ | :D |
| 13:30.53 | ilembitov | themill: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-18-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.24-18-generic/volatile_bcmwl/wl.ko |
| 13:30.53 | ilembitov | Like I was saying - it's restricted modules |
| 13:31.15 | themill | ta |
| 13:31.18 | abrotman | which means .. requires firmware .. which means not in lenny ? |
| 13:31.28 | cahoot | ilembitov: looks to me it's a proprietary module from broadcom |
| 13:31.38 | pete_ | cahoot: agreed |
| 13:31.51 | abrotman | looks to me like ubuntu crap! |
| 13:32.06 | pete_ | for me looks like this is one more conversation what keeps rolling like wheel |
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| 13:33.14 | abrotman | pete_: he's trying to find out if it can work in debian |
| 13:33.31 | tinctorius | I too have some issues with Broadcom crap |
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| 13:33.39 | tinctorius | but with tg3 |
| 13:33.41 | cahoot | ilembitov: search for wl-apsta on this page http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 13:33.42 | pete_ | abrotman: that's why got manufacturer's home site. Im pretty god damn sure there is driver for that what you can compile against kernel |
| 13:33.50 | tinctorius | without the firmware, my NICs won't work |
| 13:33.53 | enouf | mmm pasta :-P |
| 13:33.55 | abrotman | yes they won't |
| 13:34.12 | abrotman | pete_: yeah .. i guess if you want OOTB .. you just avoid broadcom :) |
| 13:34.15 | cahoot | ilembitov: wl_apsta rather |
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| 13:34.15 | themill | pete_: yeah. rolling like a wheel with rather useless and incorrect comments like this from you: [14:29] <pete_> jelly: you too. It have been already told that wl/shit is included FROM 2.6.24 |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | which is false! |
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| 13:34.43 | usar | hi. how do I change the keyboard settings for a debian system (console only)? |
| 13:34.51 | pete_ | well i guess im just so god damn good cos i just open console and do some surfing and it works. Never ever i haven't needed to come here cry |
| 13:35.01 | themill | dpkg: tell usar about keymap |
| 13:35.10 | usar | themill: thanks |
| 13:35.12 | pete_ | but what ever. im out of this shit |
| 13:35.17 | themill | usar: no worries |
| 13:35.22 | abrotman | cries |
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| 13:35.30 | themill | !comfort abrotman |
| 13:35.30 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:35.32 | jelly | no tears, abrotman! |
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| 13:36.10 | ilembito1 | I am really sorry. It's my ISP being an asshole |
| 13:36.20 | abrotman | give them cookies |
| 13:36.30 | ootput | take it to otw |
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| 13:36.56 | ilembito1 | So, did anyone understand, whether that wl package is present in Debian? |
| 13:37.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | Alright, if I'm not allowed to ask that, how can I find the major number for any given driver? |
| 13:37.10 | ilembito1 | s/package/module |
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| 13:37.20 | themill | ilembito1: nowhere that we can find |
| 13:37.42 | ilembito1 | Damn. Not in debian's restricted modules? |
| 13:37.48 | pbn | jelly: hmmm gonna try that... |
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| 13:38.34 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: you'd be better off asking these questions in a kernel-specific channel. |
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| 13:39.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | themill: Hmm |
| 13:39.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | fair enough |
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| 13:39.40 | jelly | ##kernel to the rescue |
| 13:40.04 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: e.g. /msg alis list *kernel* |
| 13:40.38 | ilembito1 | Well, anyways, thanks to all of you guys. Can anyone point me to feature list of the upcoming Lenny?) |
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| 13:40.39 | jelly | wtf is alis |
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| 13:41.31 | themill | jelly: alis replaces chanserv for searching for channels |
| 13:41.33 | Eulex | probably dpkg written with misaligned fingers |
| 13:41.35 | Eulex | oh |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | jelly: chaserv bot |
| 13:41.41 | mordy_ | anyone have any ideas of what can be forcing radeonfb to initialize? it's not in the kernel and it's blacklisted - but the console still goes into framebuffer mode |
| 13:42.02 | abrotman | mordy_: have you tried the initramfs blacklist stuff? |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | bets it's compiled in though |
| 13:42.11 | mordy_ | abrotman - yes |
| 13:42.19 | stew | jelly: http://blog.freenode.net/?p=80 |
| 13:42.25 | jelly | 24 months I've been living next door to alis! |
| 13:42.31 | themill | heh |
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| 13:43.02 | mordy_ | abrotman - i reinstalled the kernel from apt-get - but the 'problem' still occurs |
| 13:43.13 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 13:43.57 | mordy_ | abrotman - is there anywhere else i can check? could there be something else initializing it? i haven't tried disabling all framebuffer support from the kernel - i just =m them all |
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| 13:45.18 | mordy_ | hmm.. maybe i can install an additional kernel - would that tell me whether the problem is in the kernel or not? |
| 13:45.23 | enouf | jelly: just using /list still works |
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| 13:45.56 | jelly | enouf: I clicks on the menu and the list appears! What /list??!?!!11 |
| 13:45.56 | enouf | mordy_: and/or livecd boot |
| 13:46.11 | enouf | ... |
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| 13:46.58 | enouf | mordy_: enable bootlogd |
| 13:47.05 | mordy_ | enouf - livecd boot works - no problems - although the only live cd i have is ubuntu - nor can i get a debian one |
| 13:47.07 | enouf | !tell mordy_ -about bootlog |
| 13:47.39 | enouf | mordy_: i get ~$ grep nvidia /var/log/boot |
| 13:47.39 | enouf | Sat Jul 12 15:50:53 2008: Loading kernel module nvidia-agp. |
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| 13:48.00 | deever | re |
| 13:48.01 | mordy_ | nvidia? i'm using ati :-?? |
| 13:48.12 | enouf | mordy_: c'mon extrapolate ;-) |
| 13:48.19 | mordy_ | oh |
| 13:48.26 | mordy_ | let me reboot then |
| 13:48.28 | enouf | i have an nvidia card |
| 13:48.32 | enouf | mordy_: wait |
| 13:48.32 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 13:48.34 | deever | does anybody know here how to unpacke a "Debian binary package (format 2.0)"? |
| 13:48.37 | mordy_ | too late |
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| 13:48.43 | abrotman | deever: ar x foo.deb |
| 13:48.54 | enouf | mordy_: and lscpi -k |
| 13:48.56 | deever | oh..ar |
| 13:48.57 | enouf | says Kernel modules: nvidiafb |
| 13:49.34 | jelly | deever: inside the ar, data.tar.gz (or .bz2) will contain package data |
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| 13:50.26 | enouf | mordy_: ~$ grep nvidiafb /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/modules.dep <== replace with radeonfb |
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| 13:50.43 | jelly | deever: or you could just use the native tools if you're on a system with dpkg. |
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| 13:51.52 | mordy_ | enouf - boot http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#11 |
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| 13:53.25 | pete_ | move that module to some toher place :) |
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| 13:53.46 | enouf | mordy_: and having radeonfb load is an issue? where is it showing it's loading? |
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| 13:54.12 | mordy_ | enouf - i see it on my screen - i'm also wondering why it doesn't show up in log/boot |
| 13:54.25 | enouf | mordy_: what screen? |
| 13:54.32 | enouf | during bootup? check dmesg |
| 13:54.34 | mordy_ | debian:/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64# $grep radeonfb /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/modules.dep -bash: radeonfb: command not found |
| 13:54.40 | mordy_ | enouf - yes |
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| 13:55.03 | enouf | wait, what? command not found wtf? |
| 13:55.10 | jelly | mordy_: extra "$" |
| 13:55.11 | enouf | mordy_: remove the $ |
| 13:55.17 | enouf | !win jelly |
| 13:55.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:55.26 | deever | jelly: yes, i know, thx! ;) |
| 13:55.33 | mordy_ | ahh.. there it is |
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| 13:55.40 | ootput | doesn't grep require two arguments? |
| 13:55.43 | ootput | at least? |
| 13:55.48 | enouf | no |
| 13:55.50 | deever | ootput: no |
| 13:56.03 | mordy_ | enouf - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#12 |
| 13:56.06 | jelly | ootput: there is no grep in command line like "$grep radeonfb /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/modules.dep" |
| 13:56.11 | enouf | ootput: he kept the $ i showed |
| 13:56.25 | mordy_ | doh. |
| 13:56.50 | enouf | heck, i even do ti, and bug out for a few minutes |
| 13:57.01 | jelly | ootput: now explain why did he get this error: "-bash: radeonfb: command not found" for bonus points. |
| 13:57.18 | usar | themill: I've tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data, selected the right keymap but it didn't change anything. also, the boxes drawn by the debconf Dialog frontend look really messed up (funny symbols instead of lines) |
| 13:57.40 | usar | themill: (had to install console-data first by the way) |
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| 13:58.49 | ootput | jelly: $grep taken as an environment variable to radeonfb command |
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| 13:59.11 | jelly | ootput: close but no. |
| 13:59.14 | themill | usar: is this actually on console or in an ssh session (like through putty)? |
| 13:59.24 | enouf | mordy_: what's with vga=0 ? and do you have multiple video cards? one onboard perhaps? |
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| 13:59.32 | ootput | jelly: huh? |
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| 13:59.44 | usar | themill: actually on a console, I'm sitting in front of the physical machine |
| 13:59.46 | mordy_ | enouf - i've only got one video card |
| 13:59.47 | [darkterror46] | hello |
| 13:59.57 | usar | themill: (it's a i386 laptop) |
| 14:00.14 | Akuw | what is wrong here ---> scp -r /home/cms/Desktop/Sitio/* medifarm@med.com:/fd/sd/ |
| 14:00.19 | themill | usar: nfc then... haven't actually used console for a very very very long time and then I have the advantage of the defaults being fine for me. |
| 14:00.24 | mordy_ | enouf - i changed the boot parameters to vga=0 at one going - but that shouldn't be in the new pastes |
| 14:00.25 | enouf | mordy_: lsmod | grep radeon and also pastbin that output of the grep |
| 14:00.34 | ootput | jelly: well? |
| 14:00.39 | jelly | ootput: the syntax for that would be foo=bar some_command, not $foo some_command |
| 14:00.41 | [darkterror46] | could someone tell me where i can find a tutorial about configuring active nat with etch? |
| 14:00.53 | Akuw | i want copy all content in the dir Sitio (sub dirs and files) |
| 14:00.55 | enouf | mordy_: dude, you gave me a link with 1000s of lines |
| 14:01.20 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: and the error-msg/problem is .. ? |
| 14:01.23 | enouf | mordy_: it's great to keep a record like that - all in one place, but sucks a bit for keyword searching for me |
| 14:01.29 | mordy_ | lol, you can search. i can post the 'relevant' line - but i don't know if i may be omiting something important |
| 14:01.31 | mordy_ | lol |
| 14:01.51 | mordy_ | enouf http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#13 |
| 14:01.58 | enouf | mordy_: it's the Xorg.0.log with too many radeon refs :-P |
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| 14:02.03 | themill | ootput: $grep is not set, so when the shell does the parameter expansion, it disappears from the command completely, leaving radeonfb as the command that will be executed. |
| 14:02.03 | Akuw | /home/cms/Desktop/Sitio: No such file or directory |
| 14:02.21 | themill | ootput: I suspect that's sort of what you meant |
| 14:02.25 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: Does "cd /home/cms/Desktop/Sitio" work ? |
| 14:02.28 | mordy_ | enouf - nothing in the xorg log explains why my console gets into fb mode - since that's only intiialized later |
| 14:02.36 | wols | enouf: he needs to blacklist but is apparently incapable of doing so. including initramfs blacklist |
| 14:02.49 | enouf | mordy_: oh cool, i can click raw |
| 14:02.55 | ootput | jelly: what does $ mean in regular expression? |
| 14:02.56 | enouf | wols: i see |
| 14:03.09 | wols | enouf: I tried to tell him countless times by now |
| 14:03.12 | ootput | themill: that is what i meant |
| 14:03.22 | mordy_ | so while my xorg may indeed be messed up - i think it's something else |
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| 14:03.59 | jelly | ootput: it matches the place at the end of a line usually |
| 14:04.13 | enouf | mordy_: why do you have stuff from make menuconfig ? |
| 14:04.29 | Akuw | humm, i was in the remote server |
| 14:04.30 | Akuw | sorry |
| 14:04.31 | mordy_ | wols, why don't you have a look at my paste and see for yourself what i did - if i did something wrong, then tell me - look at pastes 8 and 9 http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855 |
| 14:04.35 | Akuw | that was the problem |
| 14:04.44 | enouf | mordy_: and where's the paste i asked for (lsmod and grep /lib/../../../modules.dep) |
| 14:05.01 | mordy_ | oh.. |
| 14:05.39 | enouf | deonfb 106176 1 i2c_algo_bit 13832 1 radeonfb i2c_core 27776 3 i2c_i801,radeonfb,i2c_algo_bit |
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| 14:05.54 | mordy_ | http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#14 |
| 14:06.09 | karmatronic | mordy_: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:06.09 | mordy_ | enouf - that's grep /lib... modules.dep |
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| 14:06.37 | mordy_ | karmatronic - i wish i knew - i'm trying to find out what's forcing it to boot in frambuffer mode |
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| 14:06.45 | sich | how can i fix this error by bcm43xx instalation aptitude install http://nopaste.info/7b8f5ad3b1.html |
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| 14:06.58 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.03 | Akuw | i just create a dir in the remote server |
| 14:07.07 | enouf | funny, my deps says the same for my nvidiafb, but lsmod doesn't show nvidiafb, nor those particular i2c things, only i2c-core from i2c_core 19312 1 i2c_piix4 |
| 14:07.15 | Akuw | but when i want to copy the files from pc to server i got Permission denied |
| 14:07.23 | ootput | in lenny, resume from suspend/hibernate (while in X) produces a black screen that I can switch out of. Am i required to pass any arguments to hibernate.sh or modify any acpi scripts in order to restore the X display? |
| 14:07.32 | mordy_ | enouf - lsmod http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#15 |
| 14:07.33 | ootput | s/can/can't/ |
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| 14:07.56 | Akuw | but with gFTP i can copy files |
| 14:07.58 | Akuw | why? |
| 14:08.00 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: the user scp login as has no permissions, fix that. |
| 14:08.01 | sich | ? |
| 14:08.15 | themill | dpkg: tell ootput about suspend troubleshooting |
| 14:08.45 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: "medifarm" is missing the rights to write to that dir. |
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| 14:09.05 | Akuw | but i can copy file using gFTP |
| 14:09.09 | sich | any idea? |
| 14:09.31 | mordy_ | enouf - i guess because your nvidiafb isn't forced like mine |
| 14:09.59 | enouf | mordy_: my browser doesn't do AJAX and ASP crap with the #14 and #15 shit |
| 14:10.05 | ootput | themill: have you implemented any of the 'dirty hacks' yourself? |
| 14:10.11 | enouf | mordy_: mine only goes to ELEVEN! |
| 14:10.17 | enouf | :-p |
| 14:10.19 | themill | Akuw: can you ssh to the remote machine? |
| 14:10.19 | mordy_ | oh |
| 14:10.25 | mordy_ | :| |
| 14:10.26 | Akuw | yes |
| 14:10.33 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: and gFTP uses the same user ? |
| 14:10.38 | Akuw | yes |
| 14:10.43 | sich | any solve for this error http://nopaste.info/7b8f5ad3b1.html ? |
| 14:10.44 | enouf | mordy_: you reinstalled the kernel, yes? |
| 14:10.53 | jelly | ootput: Hm, s2disk or hibernate did chvt 1 ... suspend/resume ... chvt 7 given some configuration |
| 14:10.54 | themill | ootput: I had to on my previous laptop but istr this one was fine. |
| 14:10.54 | enouf | mordy_: did you blacklist-initramfs again now? |
| 14:11.00 | mordy_ | enouf - yes - and yes |
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| 14:11.06 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: are you realy sure? |
| 14:11.15 | Akuw | yes |
| 14:11.15 | mardi | hi |
| 14:11.28 | Akuw | just now i delete the dir |
| 14:11.32 | enouf | mordy_: grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist .. show me here |
| 14:11.32 | Akuw | i will create another |
| 14:11.32 | mordy_ | enouf - you can see me blacklisting it - in paste 8 or 9 - i only posted that to demonstrate to wols that i indeed did it |
| 14:11.40 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: and gFTP really log in as medifarm and does not use the FTP-user mediafarm ? |
| 14:11.44 | enouf | mordy_: grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local .. show me here |
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| 14:12.09 | mordy_ | debian:/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64# grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local blacklist radeonfb |
| 14:12.13 | themill | ootput: I think I needed to tell it to use the save video state option at one stage. |
| 14:12.16 | sich | ?? please |
| 14:12.35 | enouf | mordy_: run "update-initramfs -u" |
| 14:12.36 | mordy_ | let me get another pastebin |
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| 14:12.44 | Akuw | yeah |
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| 14:13.06 | enouf | mordy_: then run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` for good measure ;-) |
| 14:13.09 | sich | ? |
| 14:13.32 | enouf | sich: tell us something about it |
| 14:14.02 | massmc | hi, I was using gparted and when trying to format a usb drive in fat32 it's greyed out.. do more libs need to be installed to get these? |
| 14:14.24 | ootput | jelly, themill: i had a working script (on etch) - http://pastebin.ca/1075547 - that managed those things, but it fails to work i lenny. I didn't think there'd be much else to it |
| 14:14.27 | sich | enouf: iwell install bcm43-fwcutter on debian etch, but receive this error http://nopaste.info/7b8f5ad3b1.html |
| 14:14.34 | Akuw | hummm |
| 14:14.37 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.47 | mordy_ | enouf.. doing |
| 14:15.02 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.14 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.15 | jelly | ootput: dunno, I've been using s2disk ever since it mysteriously started working on my machine :-) |
| 14:15.28 | mordy_ | enouf - now reboot? |
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| 14:15.31 | jelly | ootput: (part of uswsusp I believe) |
| 14:15.33 | enouf | mordy_: and make certain the correct kernel loads from grub and the initrd line is also correct |
| 14:15.52 | mordy_ | enouf - how do i do that? |
| 14:15.58 | mardi | debian rocks |
| 14:15.58 | enouf | mordy_: look at it |
| 14:16.06 | enouf | and choose the correct one when booting |
| 14:16.10 | ootput | jelly: on lenny? |
| 14:16.11 | mordy_ | oh, ok |
| 14:16.17 | jelly | ootput: yeah |
| 14:16.18 | enouf | mordy_: in /boot/grub.menu.lst |
| 14:16.19 | mordy_ | there's only one kernel in the list anyway |
| 14:16.19 | sich | ? |
| 14:16.23 | mordy_ | ok |
| 14:16.25 | enouf | mordy_: in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:16.27 | enouf | ok |
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| 14:16.51 | enouf | i smell amd64 issue |
| 14:17.01 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: ssh into the remote server and do "sudo medifarm" and "touch /<upload-dir>/test-permissions" |
| 14:17.01 | jelly | I smell coffee. |
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| 14:17.30 | sich | enouf: ? |
| 14:17.34 | mordy_ | enouf - here's what i did in the past five minutes |
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| 14:17.48 | enouf | sich: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 14:17.54 | sich | ok |
| 14:18.07 | themill | ootput: aiui, all the extra state saving stuff you have either be unnecessary or handled directly by s2* itself. |
| 14:18.24 | themill | ootput: Have you tried just "s2disk" on its own without all the rest of the stuff there? |
| 14:18.39 | mordy_ | but it worked before *sigh* |
| 14:18.59 | sich | enouf: http://nopaste.info/32ffbba60a.html |
| 14:19.02 | souldier | hello, how im on debian etch, if i aptitude install a program is there any way to remove it completely? i did purge and remove but for some reason if i write the command for the program i removed i get an error, but its like its still there. |
| 14:19.12 | enouf | sich: ok |
| 14:19.24 | mordy_ | enouf - same thing happens |
| 14:19.27 | Akuw | touch: /mdf/test: No such file or directory |
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| 14:19.44 | mordy_ | i'm not running an amd64, i'm running a em64 - although the kernel is amd64 - if that makes any difference |
| 14:19.46 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: cd into that directory. |
| 14:19.47 | enouf | sich: you ONLY have cdrom there |
| 14:19.54 | mordy_ | maybe i should install the em64 kernel? |
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| 14:19.57 | sich | yes |
| 14:20.01 | enouf | sich: the repo lines are commented out, why? |
| 14:20.11 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:20.15 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 14:20.16 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 14:20.19 | sich | enouf: can you help? |
| 14:20.19 | Akuw | now? |
| 14:20.24 | enouf | sich: add some mirrors |
| 14:20.40 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: is the upload-directory really on the remote server? |
| 14:20.43 | sich | ok i add some mirror |
| 14:20.47 | sich | but i have DVd |
| 14:20.48 | enouf | !tell sich about sources.list |
| 14:20.57 | Akuw | yeah |
| 14:21.00 | enouf | sich: you need atleast main and contrib |
| 14:21.00 | Akuw | i just created |
| 14:21.02 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: and can you create new files in it using the User mediafarm ? |
| 14:21.07 | Akuw | yes |
| 14:21.12 | sich | ok |
| 14:21.25 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: OK, now retry the scp-command |
| 14:21.36 | enouf | so ==> "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib" <-- as an example sich |
| 14:21.45 | sich | yes i know |
| 14:21.57 | enouf | sich: replace <CC> with your country code - ok |
| 14:21.57 | ootput | themill: no, i haven't. I will now |
| 14:22.00 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.00 | ootput | brb |
| 14:22.02 | mordy_ | enouf - if it's an amd64 issue - could it have arisen suddenly? i didn't have this problem before - but then again, i seldom reboot |
| 14:22.05 | sich | ok |
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| 14:22.19 | Akuw | scp -r /home/x/Desktop/Sitio medifarm@med.com.ve:/mdf/ |
| 14:22.25 | enouf | mordy_: well, not really if you're on Etch - though remotely possible |
| 14:22.26 | ootput | themill: should i issue s2disk from within x? or should i switch to vt1 before doing so? |
| 14:22.29 | Akuw | scp -r /home/x/Desktop/Sitio medifarm@med.com:/mdf/ |
| 14:22.33 | Akuw | sorry |
| 14:22.42 | Tapout | med.com? hrmm |
| 14:22.46 | Tapout | gotta go check it out now |
| 14:22.46 | Akuw | yeah |
| 14:22.50 | enouf | mordy_: ask if anything funny like this in #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:23.02 | Tapout | what a waste of that domain |
| 14:23.08 | enouf | mordy_: BUT - could be your FGLRX crap has just really screwed you |
| 14:23.25 | sladi | mordy_: do you still have ati problems? maybe try agp=off in kernel line? |
| 14:23.45 | massmc | stewie! |
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| 14:23.55 | mordy_ | enouf - what else could fglrx have changed? |
| 14:23.55 | themill | ootput: the best plan is to (1) start plain console mode (i.e. no X runnning) and try it. (2) X running but chvt 1 and then try it. Then actually try it from within X. |
| 14:23.55 | enouf | sich: you do have working internet, no? |
| 14:24.03 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: you missed the * after Sitio. |
| 14:24.03 | enouf | mordy_: dude , no clue |
| 14:24.07 | Akuw | /home/x/Desktop/Sitio in that dir i have sub dirs and files |
| 14:24.09 | ootput | themill: alright |
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| 14:24.24 | ootput | themill: mind if i take a gander at your /etc/uswsusp.conf for a bit? |
| 14:24.25 | sich | enouf: wired yes, but i well install bcm43xx to my wireless device to |
| 14:24.27 | enouf | mordy_: dude, nobody would know :-P that's teh thing about BLOBS! |
| 14:24.34 | enouf | mordy_: ask in #fglrx |
| 14:24.34 | sladi | mordy_: that seems needed for nvidia at least according to suse s2ram howto. |
| 14:24.35 | ootput | i'd like to make sure i'm working with vanilla options for the time being |
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| 14:24.52 | enouf | sich: yes, but you need internet to get stuff |
| 14:24.57 | Nyle | wow |
| 14:25.03 | enouf | sich: even when you have DVD1 |
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| 14:25.07 | Nyle | I haven't been to work since last wed. |
| 14:25.07 | mordy_ | let's try this with agp=off |
| 14:25.14 | Nyle | it feels weird |
| 14:25.16 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:25.16 | sich | enouf: i have wired intern now |
| 14:25.21 | Nyle | enouf, sup |
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| 14:25.28 | jetscreamer | !lart nyle |
| 14:25.29 | dpkg | smacks nyle up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 14:25.34 | Akuw | scp: /mdf/: No such file or directory |
| 14:25.35 | Nyle | who'da thought you need internet to get stuff |
| 14:25.38 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hi |
| 14:25.39 | Nyle | ! |
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| 14:25.44 | mordy_ | enouf - is that really a room? |
| 14:25.48 | mordy_ | nobody's there |
| 14:25.51 | enouf | mordy_: i thinki recall something about some weirdo Intel module needing removed |
| 14:26.02 | enouf | mordy_: maybe #ati ? |
| 14:26.05 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 14:26.14 | enouf | Nyle: morn |
| 14:26.24 | Nyle | you forgot an o |
| 14:26.25 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:26.26 | Nyle | moron! |
| 14:26.28 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:26.33 | enouf | heh |
| 14:26.33 | Nyle | mornin |
| 14:26.36 | themill | ootput: sure. Doubt it will be useful though: http://rafb.net/p/Emjhoa48.html |
| 14:26.40 | jetscreamer | missed |
| 14:26.46 | enouf | Nyle: hot on that ENTER key eh? :-P |
| 14:26.50 | enouf | hides |
| 14:26.55 | Akuw | th problem was i use med@mdf.com:/dirname |
| 14:27.02 | wols | hot on bullshit talk as usual too |
| 14:27.09 | Akuw | but the right is med@mdf.com:dirname |
| 14:27.22 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Akuw |
| 14:27.23 | dpkg | Nice one Akuw, you did it! |
| 14:27.27 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: so the dir is not /mdf but ~/mdf ? |
| 14:27.30 | enouf | wols: your cane needs tweaking :-p |
| 14:27.39 | wols | huh? |
| 14:27.43 | Akuw | the problem was |
| 14:27.52 | enouf | shakes his cane at wols |
| 14:27.54 | ootput | themill: is your uswsusp.key present? |
| 14:27.59 | Akuw | when i login i my default is medi |
| 14:28.09 | Akuw | into that dir is mdf |
| 14:28.16 | mordy_ | agp=off doesn't help |
| 14:28.20 | themill | ootput: erm... no. |
| 14:28.23 | jetscreamer | it's off your home dir you mean? |
| 14:28.24 | mordy_ | maybe it's indeed something to do with fglrx |
| 14:28.27 | ootput | themill: alright |
| 14:28.29 | ootput | brb |
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| 14:28.36 | wols | enouf: has he managed to not load radeonfb by now? |
| 14:28.37 | jetscreamer | ~/mdf ? |
| 14:28.45 | enouf | wols: not yet - afaict |
| 14:28.47 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: if you tell scp to go the root dir (/mdf) then it will so... always, w/o fail. |
| 14:28.51 | sich | enouf: i update the source list and try agian but the problem is still http://nopaste.info/65f86942a6.html |
| 14:29.06 | enouf | sich: aptitude update |
| 14:29.12 | sich | i do it |
| 14:29.15 | twobitwork | is there a way to get metacity to show the size of a window while resizing it? most other wm's have an option for that... |
| 14:29.17 | Akuw | ok |
| 14:29.18 | Akuw | well |
| 14:29.25 | Akuw | now is copying the files |
| 14:29.30 | wols | mordy_: the ONLY think you should work until you actually fix it is to not load radeonfb on bootup |
| 14:29.39 | Akuw | if i use -C option the transfer is compressed right? |
| 14:29.46 | wols | mordy_: not dablle with kernel parameters and such |
| 14:29.58 | jetscreamer | wanders off again |
| 14:29.58 | sich | enouf: is another error have noithing to doi with sources.list look the pastebin |
| 14:30.01 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: yes. |
| 14:30.06 | enouf | sich: and uncomment deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib <-- you want security lines |
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| 14:30.30 | Akuw | faster? |
| 14:30.41 | sich | enouf: iam sure that have nothng to do with the problem plz look the paste bin |
| 14:30.43 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: on older hardware and for local transfers the CPU is the limit, not the network. Everything is encrypted, that takes time. |
| 14:30.44 | cahoot | enouf: looks like the file doesn't exist - 404 |
| 14:30.47 | enouf | sich: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:30.48 | mordy_ | let me see what i can find on fglrx - perhaps it's altering some configuration files - but can someone give me heads up about what *not* to look at? |
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| 14:31.14 | enouf | sich: you cannot have pkgs that are held back when using etch |
| 14:31.15 | wols | mordy_: easy: do not look at fglrx |
| 14:31.17 | sich | lol enouf i say have nothing to du with upgrade is 404 error |
| 14:31.20 | enouf | cahoot: ? |
| 14:31.50 | cahoot | enouf: the error sich wrestles with |
| 14:31.51 | enouf | sich: lol? |
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| 14:31.59 | enouf | sich: how about you suck my _____ |
| 14:32.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 820] by debhelper |
| 14:32.10 | enouf | cahoot: got it |
| 14:32.22 | enouf | sich: fix your broken internet or proxies or firewalls |
| 14:32.43 | enouf | or make the mirror URLs correct |
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| 14:32.55 | sich | enouf: you can suck my ---- , thanx i need no help from ...person |
| 14:32.58 | cahoot | sich: actually visiting the urls shows the file is nonexistent |
| 14:33.13 | sich | aha cahoot thanx |
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| 14:33.19 | enouf | looks liek Rootkits and Spyware Connecting to boredklink.googlepages.com|74.125.47.118|:80... connected. |
| 14:33.45 | sich | enouf: --- |
| 14:33.53 | enouf | sich: it has everything to do with upgrade you b0z0 |
| 14:34.01 | sich | no |
| 14:34.08 | enouf | then fix it |
| 14:34.13 | enouf | you're smart |
| 14:34.15 | enouf | you know |
| 14:34.30 | sich | have nothing to do with upgrade what yu talking about? is 404 error from the source |
| 14:34.39 | enouf | source this you weenie |
| 14:34.50 | Akuw | how can i be sure that all files were transfered ? |
| 14:34.58 | enouf | [10:36:50] Ignoring sich!* ... what a relief! |
| 14:35.09 | sich | !bcm |
| 14:35.22 | Akuw | because, i was using gFTP, the when i review the dirs, there was a lot of files missing |
| 14:36.01 | themill | !bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 14:36.01 | dpkg | As of Etch r3 (17 Feb 2008), bcm43xx-fwcutter can be found in the Debian volatile repository. Include volatile in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" to install the latest version of the bcm43xx-fwcutter package and download the firmware. Ask me about <volatile>. |
| 14:37.04 | sich | enouf: isay that have nothing to do with upgrade you say NO, look the dpkg info about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 14:37.24 | Akuw | pumkin0: why? |
| 14:37.45 | sich | themill: you are the best, that is correct answer thanx |
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| 14:38.44 | themill | np |
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| 14:38.50 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: if you want me to read stuff, then prefix it with my correct nick. The files may be unreadable or the filenames contain chars that are impossible to present on the target system. |
| 14:39.28 | themill | enouf: you can have held back packages when using etch e.g. when security updates add new packages (like the openssh one did a short while back). In those cases you need a dist-upgrade else you have packages held back. |
| 14:39.45 | Akuw | pumkin0: but, why when i copy one by one is possible? |
| 14:39.46 | enouf | themill: i know, look what i wrote |
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| 14:40.09 | enouf | themill: [10:32:47] <enouf> sich: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 14:40.29 | themill | enouf: you mean: [15:31] <enouf> sich: you cannot have pkgs that are held back when using etch |
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| 14:40.37 | enouf | themill: no |
| 14:40.55 | enouf | themill: do you want to go into the b0z0 box too? |
| 14:41.04 | themill | care factor 0 |
| 14:41.11 | enouf | themill: then shut the fuck up |
| 14:41.18 | themill | way to go... |
| 14:41.25 | enouf | themill: don't get involved in my converstations |
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| 14:41.49 | themill | enouf: you put the guy on ignore instead of helping him. |
| 14:42.12 | enouf | themill: i helped him - he's too stupid too understand - now you can help him |
| 14:42.49 | themill | enouf: if you didn't have him on ignore, you'd already know that it was simple -- he just had to use the fwcutter package from volatile not from etch. |
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| 14:43.27 | themill | enouf: And at the point where the regulars are being rude to people coming in for help, there are no "my conversations", it's a problem for the entire channel.# |
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| 14:45.35 | enouf | themill: those held back errors occur from not listening - [10:20:41] [dpkg] bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware. If you are running Debian stable, you have to use the latest package from the volatile repository. See bug #437488 and ask ab |
| 14:45.35 | enouf | <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> and <volatile>. |
| 14:45.35 | trinux | !bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 14:45.35 | dpkg | As of Etch r3 (17 Feb 2008), bcm43xx-fwcutter can be found in the Debian volatile repository. Include volatile in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" to install the latest version of the bcm43xx-fwcutter package and download the firmware. Ask me about <volatile>. |
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| 14:45.50 | sich | enouf: iam not sooped, and i can't accept that, OK |
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| 14:46.06 | enouf | Some moron should fix the factoid then - it's likely a moron that broke it in the 1st place |
| 14:46.18 | sich | stupid* |
| 14:46.21 | trinux | heh |
| 14:46.42 | themill | enouf: Probably. I'm not going to bother looking through the logs any further. The problem comes when you say "fix your internet" or "fix your sources.list" or similar when the pastebin shows quite clearly that is not the case. |
| 14:46.48 | sich | enouf: u r to supid and ----- |
| 14:47.23 | enouf | themill: i'll say whatever i want when i want |
| 14:47.55 | Akuw | damm |
| 14:47.58 | trinux | enouf: are you a bit stubborn now? |
| 14:48.00 | Akuw | i lost the connection |
| 14:48.10 | themill | enouf: that's nice. Try to at least be technically correct in #debian at least. |
| 14:48.22 | Akuw | how can i copy all files without overwrite ? |
| 14:48.39 | enouf | themill: i do, maybe you should try not being an ignorant dumbass |
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| 14:49.04 | enouf | stew: hey, fine - he's going on ignore now |
| 14:49.10 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: read about rsync. |
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| 14:49.15 | cahoot | Akuw: sounds more like a job for rsync |
| 14:49.31 | sich | stew: |
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| 14:49.46 | stew | enouf: i'm silencing you for now, you should ignore BEFORE things get out of hand instead |
| 14:49.54 | sich | he tell me suck my--- and you ignore me in the channel? |
| 14:50.08 | trinux | maybe he was having a bad day |
| 14:50.09 | stew | sich: drop it and move on |
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| 14:51.37 | mordy__ | test |
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| 14:52.07 | sich | stew: themill look the problem i still her http://pastebin.com/m67f4c3dd |
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| 14:53.14 | ZeuZ | hey guys how can I change tabs in IRSSI? |
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| 14:53.27 | themill | sich: *now* enouf is right... you're sources.list needs some attention to get it right. Lines 25-27 show that it is not. |
| 14:53.40 | ivee_ | alt+1,2,3,... |
| 14:53.41 | sich | aha ok |
| 14:53.54 | trinux | sich: and you are sure you want sarge repositories? |
| 14:54.04 | sich | no etch |
| 14:54.06 | themill | sich: You're running etch, right? So you don't want sarge-volatile in there. |
| 14:54.08 | ZeuZ | ivee_: tryed, not working here... xD |
| 14:54.15 | themill | sich: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 14:54.18 | ZeuZ | it spits out the key associated to it |
| 14:54.18 | ivee_ | fix your terminal ;p |
| 14:54.19 | trinux | sich: can you pastebin your sources.list please? |
| 14:54.29 | sich | ok |
| 14:54.32 | ZeuZ | ivee_: awaiting for instructions on how to do that xD |
| 14:54.41 | ZeuZ | aint there any other way? |
| 14:54.54 | sladi | ZeuZ: alt+ left reight |
| 14:55.05 | ZeuZ | sladi: not working either :( |
| 14:55.10 | sich | trinux: http://pastebin.com/m232f7797 |
| 14:55.24 | stew | ZeuZ: esc+1, esc+2 ; /win 1 /win 2 /win 3 ; ctrl-n / ctrl-p ; /win goto windowname |
| 14:55.25 | trinux | looking |
| 14:55.49 | ZeuZ | stew, that did it, thanks |
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| 14:56.20 | sich | trinux: is installed yet, thanx |
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| 14:56.40 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 14:56.41 | ZeuZ | stew, and to close a tab? |
| 14:56.50 | stew | ZeuZ: /wc |
| 14:56.56 | ZeuZ | lovely, thanlks |
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| 14:57.18 | trinux | sich: nice! |
| 14:57.28 | themill | sich: fyi, you can delete line 10 and if you want non-free stuff, you can add "non-free" after contrib in line 11. |
| 14:57.41 | sich | ok |
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| 14:58.16 | mordy^ | test |
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| 14:58.23 | mordy^ | is there a lag here? |
| 14:58.51 | sich | trinux: is installed but can't finde the wireless signal |
| 14:59.11 | sich | and iwconfig say nowireless connection! |
| 14:59.15 | trinux | sich: with wireless itself i cant help much cause i dont have that technology yet |
| 14:59.16 | ^shark_ | hi friends, i am running etch & i am trying to install pine4, however i need to add repos into my sourcelist, i have tried to google for this with no luck. |
| 14:59.35 | sich | trinux: thanx again is ok |
| 15:00.13 | ivee_ | ifconfig your_wireless_card up |
| 15:00.31 | ivee_ | and try find wireless networks |
| 15:00.43 | amphi | iwlist <iface> scan |
| 15:00.48 | cahoot | sich: did you modprobe bcm43xx? |
| 15:01.15 | cahoot | sich: if you did - check dmesg for any error msg |
| 15:01.22 | sladi | those repos are hard to find and I couldn't either when needing them. |
| 15:01.49 | et | how do you set the cpufreq governor? |
| 15:02.01 | et | (the default one, not interactively) |
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| 15:02.39 | cloakable | Hi, is the Lenny switch to using Xen kernels permanant? |
| 15:02.42 | sladi | et: I'd guess man cpufreqd. there should be a file in /etc/ |
| 15:03.37 | cydork | ^shark_: pine is not distributed as a binary package. but you can build it by adding deb-src repo and running apt-get -b source pine |
| 15:04.28 | mordy^ | i'm thinking maybe fglrx messed up something - i'm trying to figure out exactly what it did |
| 15:04.32 | Eulex | cloakable, apparently the default has changed, but non-xen kernels are still available |
| 15:04.47 | mordy^ | how do i search for folders and files? |
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| 15:05.07 | Eulex | mordy^, on your filesystem? |
| 15:05.10 | Eulex | mordy^, find or locate |
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| 15:05.14 | mordy^ | yes |
| 15:05.17 | pumpkin0 | mordy^: find -iname "*stuff-you-want*" |
| 15:05.21 | mordy^ | oh |
| 15:05.35 | stew | cloakable: it looks like lenny will ship with a domU kernel but no dom0 kernel |
| 15:05.38 | ^shark_ | cydork: is there a repo you know of in this regard? |
| 15:05.41 | Eulex | but if you have a locate db, locate will be 1000x faster in many cases |
| 15:05.45 | sladi | not -lname ^^ |
| 15:05.57 | cloakable | Eulex: I tried installing the non-xen kernel, but the nvidia driver still complains of Xen, and a grep of the config file reveals CONFIG_XEN=y |
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| 15:06.04 | mordy^ | debian:~# find -iname "*fglrx*" doesn't return anything |
| 15:06.08 | et | sladi: ah, thanks |
| 15:06.22 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.22 | cydork | ^shark_: check /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 15:06.28 | pumpkin0 | mordy^: you are searching file below your home-dir. |
| 15:06.42 | ^shark_ | cydork: thx |
| 15:06.49 | pumpkin0 | mordy^: you want: find / -iname "*fglrx*" |
| 15:07.07 | Eulex | cloakable, oh, indeed |
| 15:07.38 | Eulex | cloakable, however, I managed to compile and use the nvidia driver with the 2.6.25-2-686 kernel, which has CONFIG_XEN=y |
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| 15:08.22 | sladi | cloakable: I used the standard amd64 kernel 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 from lenny fine with the latest nvidia installer. |
| 15:08.25 | cloakable | Eulex: how? Mine's failing at the end, bitching about Xen |
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| 15:08.42 | Eulex | cloakable, how are you compiling it? |
| 15:08.49 | peterS | cloakable: xen and 2.6.2x have a strained relationship |
| 15:09.06 | Eulex | cloakable, I just did m-a a-i nvidia-kernel with the latest nvidia-kernel-source in unstable |
| 15:09.21 | peterS | why that should affect nvidia is anyone's guess though |
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| 15:10.04 | mordy^ | *sigh* :( neither lname or iname does anything:( |
| 15:10.12 | wald0 | why thunar in Lenny don't show me the changes "on the fly" like before (etch?) ? i need to do a Ctrl + R to see if i have removed or added files |
| 15:10.49 | cloakable | Eulex: I'm grabbing directly from nvidia |
| 15:10.58 | Eulex | cloakable, don't do that (tm) |
| 15:11.01 | sladi | mordy^: don't use lname. ^^ I misread that once wondered why I couldn't find files on my hdd. |
| 15:11.18 | liable | wald0: famd installed? does xfce use it? |
| 15:11.22 | Eulex | unless you have some very special reason to |
| 15:11.32 | cloakable | Eulex: I'm NOT going to pull from Sid, though :P I'm no developer |
| 15:11.46 | Eulex | cloakable, oh, you're on etch? |
| 15:12.04 | cloakable | Eulex: Lenny |
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| 15:12.36 | cloakable | Eulex: Etch on most of my systems, though |
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| 15:12.50 | Eulex | cloakable, me too. the nvidia driver from unstable is working very well. I do believe all deps are in lenny already. |
| 15:13.03 | cloakable | Eulex: hmm. |
| 15:13.09 | wald0 | right liable, it uses fam, thanks! :) |
| 15:13.24 | wald0 | liable: maybe libfam0 could be added on the suggested packages |
| 15:13.36 | Eulex | that said, I can of course not recommend anyone to fetch stuff from unstable -- the proper way would be to backport it, but for me just using it has worked. ymmv of course. |
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| 15:13.44 | sladi | cloakable: I'd try the unstable driver 174.something. It worked for me but I don't know what yen is. |
| 15:14.02 | liable | wald0: file a wishlist bug |
| 15:14.09 | wald0 | liable: sorry, no libfam0, just package "fam" |
| 15:14.10 | ^shark_ | cydork: i know understand what you meant, thx for the info. |
| 15:14.16 | wald0 | ok |
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| 15:14.28 | cloakable | sladi: Hmm. I may try downloading it and popping it onto my box. Not going to touch sources.list though :) |
| 15:14.42 | wald0 | liable: via email, how i report the bug in "wishlist" mode ? i need to add a special line to the body for that ? |
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| 15:14.48 | cydork | ^shark_: np |
| 15:15.05 | liable | wald0: not sure how to by email. |
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| 15:15.32 | sladi | cloakable: should be the best way. I always changed the list around. ^^ |
| 15:15.33 | SparFux | Hi all. For quite some weeks I have unresolved dependencies for package xmms2-plugin-gnomevfs and xmms2-plugin-avformat when I do aptitude full-upgrade. Perhaps it's the best way to just uninstall these packages? I don't want to break my installation. |
| 15:15.38 | mordy^ | ahh... this is working - the slash did the trick |
| 15:15.44 | flami | wald0 you cant use the report-bug script ? |
| 15:15.58 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 15:16.25 | wald0 | flami: never tried it, its for me more easy to do it via email :) |
| 15:16.39 | wald0 | well, i have tried it long time ago but i have turn confused with it |
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| 15:17.03 | flami | well im also too lazy to think about what headers to use (wishlist etc ) :P thats why i use it |
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| 15:18.04 | cloakable | Actually, buggeritall, I'm going back to the Etch kernel :P |
| 15:18.38 | sladi | cu |
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| 15:20.26 | phoul | Is there a way to track a packages status, To see when its -soposed- to be going into a certain branch? |
| 15:20.44 | flami | you mean the PTS ? |
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| 15:21.09 | phoul | flami, was that at me? |
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| 15:21.26 | flami | uhm yes kinda , phoul |
| 15:21.27 | sich | can i upgrade to firefox 3 on etch or iceweasel3? |
| 15:21.36 | webPragmatis1 | hey I ran ln -s www /var/www in my /etc/skel dir |
| 15:21.39 | phoul | flami, yeah i have no idea what PTS is |
| 15:21.40 | phoul | lol |
| 15:21.45 | webPragmatis1 | what did it do heh? |
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| 15:22.13 | webPragmatis1 | i thought it would create a link to /var/www and name it www |
| 15:22.32 | Nyle | enouf, ping |
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| 15:22.36 | phoul | i think that would give you the reverse |
| 15:22.41 | Nyle | phoul, did you ever get video to work |
| 15:22.45 | phoul | Nyle, yes |
| 15:22.45 | flami | phoul http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 15:22.56 | enouf | Nyle: yes? |
| 15:23.21 | webPragmatis1 | phoul: oh i have it backwards |
| 15:23.34 | Nyle | phoul, awesome |
| 15:23.38 | Nyle | phoul, which driver? |
| 15:23.43 | phoul | fglrx |
| 15:23.44 | Nyle | enouf, you being a prick lately? |
| 15:23.47 | webPragmatis1 | how do i tell if a link is hard or symbolic with ls? |
| 15:23.49 | enouf | Nyle: if it's ot, msg me or something |
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| 15:23.50 | Nyle | phoul, congrats |
| 15:23.55 | elik | Hi, I played with ip masquerade yesterday and am having some issues connecting to internet now. I obtain an ip address, my gateway is set and all... but for some reasons, I can't ping anything |
| 15:23.59 | Nyle | enouf, join #debian-offtopic please |
| 15:24.01 | Nyle | for a sec |
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| 15:24.54 | Cyp_ | j8, estás pro ahà? |
| 15:25.08 | elik | now, abrotman got me into this, I'd expect him to fix it :P |
| 15:25.16 | abrotman | who waht?! |
| 15:25.22 | abrotman | blames wols |
| 15:25.28 | elik | lol |
| 15:25.46 | elik | abrotman, no, but seriously, I followed the ip masquerade path in the end |
| 15:25.59 | elik | abrotman, it was required, considering I only have a home router |
| 15:26.13 | elik | abrotman, and you can't add a static route to it for a subnetwork |
| 15:26.21 | phoul | Hrm, audacious-plugins is past its 10-day wait period and its still not in Lenny :( |
| 15:26.59 | shingouz | getting a perl warning 'LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_IE.UTF-8" ' when doing a dpkg-reconfigure on everything i have tried. what do i kick (besides myself) to make the barf go away? |
| 15:27.14 | flami | phoul: here it should tell you why : http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=audacious-plugins |
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| 15:27.39 | shingouz | oh. dpkg-reconfigure locales does not help, it just reiterates the barf |
| 15:28.14 | phoul | flami, i saw that, lol, it just says its not built for a certain arch |
| 15:28.25 | elik | abrotman, the weird thing is that I didn't do anything permanent... loaded a few modules, but a restart won't load them again, added some routes in iptables... but that is not static |
| 15:28.28 | phoul | Which is a Pita seeing as i dont use that arch lol |
| 15:29.05 | Nyle | phoul, what did you do special? |
| 15:29.15 | Nyle | phoul, i heard your monitor was going crazy with fglrx |
| 15:29.36 | phoul | Nyle, i used aticonfig and wrote a new xorg.conf |
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| 15:29.41 | nkuttler | shingouz: you probably want to set the variables or start a new shell |
| 15:29.41 | webPragmatis1 | if you add a user to a group in /etc/group do you have to do anything for it to "activate" ? |
| 15:29.41 | Nyle | i see |
| 15:29.49 | Nyle | phoul, I'm happy for you |
| 15:29.54 | Nyle | fglrx can be a bitch |
| 15:29.54 | elik | abrotman, is iptables kernel module loaded by default? |
| 15:30.04 | shingouz | nkuttler: in /etc/defaults/locale i guess? |
| 15:30.24 | phoul | Aye... Now im trying to figure out when the audacious-plugins package will be updated in Lenny =( audacious currently segfaults cuz its the wrong one |
| 15:30.55 | nkuttler | shingouz: no, in your env |
| 15:31.12 | elik | Anyone played with ip masquerade? since I installed it and rebooted, I can't access the network, but I know it is connected since dhcp works |
| 15:31.32 | shingouz | nkuttler: umm... it barfs even as root when i try to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 15:31.55 | cloakable | elik: works like a charm on my etch gateway |
| 15:32.12 | nkuttler | shingouz: reconfiguring the locales won't change anything in your current shell... |
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| 15:33.02 | shingouz | nkuttler: let me kick myself real quick :$ |
| 15:33.06 | ^shark_ | who can help me out on this >> http://pastebin.ca/1075601, i dont know what i am missing |
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| 15:34.04 | nkuttler | ^shark_: man apt-get, search for build deps |
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| 15:34.12 | petschge | what should I do about the problem shown here: http://rafb.net/p/Xkvxmu28.html ? |
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| 15:35.11 | dFence | hey guys... i think i have a problem with my bind-configuration: Server A is running DHCP/DNS for the router-infrastructure. Router B has it's own dhcp-server running. a client connected to router B can sometimes connect to server A but sometimes the requests just fail... any idea where i should start checking for errors? (syslog/messages/klog don't show anything) |
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| 15:36.22 | webPragmatis1 | hey I found and have used a way to wrap ssh to work as umask 002 ... anyone have the article on that? I can't find it on google |
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| 15:37.39 | mordy^ | when do things in init.d get intitialized? |
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| 15:38.49 | nkuttler | mordy^: /etc/init.d/README |
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| 15:39.28 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
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| 15:39.55 | bbs | is anyone familiar with pinning in here? |
| 15:39.56 | g00se | Wondering if there could be problems in Etch with HD that describes itself as 'S/ATA'? |
| 15:40.17 | And1 | Hey guys, how can I use the snd-cs46xx driver in sid? It was removed, in etch it's still available. |
| 15:40.19 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
| 15:40.39 | ^shark_ | nkuttler: i assume the deps are libncurses5-dev libldap2-dev libssl-dev, and i am installing them now |
| 15:40.46 | ^shark_ | nkuttler: didnt have them |
| 15:41.13 | nkuttler | ^shark_: why do you assume anything, just apt-get them |
| 15:41.37 | ^shark_ | nkuttler: ok |
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| 15:42.25 | elik | cloakable, well, the thing is... I don't want it to work anymore |
| 15:42.40 | cahoot | And1: you could see if module-assistant can give you the option |
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| 15:43.34 | elik | cloakable, I installed it yesterday on my laptop to install debian on my desktop (wire only, but too far from the router) |
| 15:43.47 | And1 | cahoot: What you mean? The driver was removed from sid because of some firmware-no-license-stuff... |
| 15:44.05 | elik | cloakable, yesterday, internet worked fine on both computers, but I restarted since then.. |
| 15:44.15 | cahoot | And1: ok |
| 15:44.26 | elik | cloakable, at this point, my desktop has its wireless interface configured and is working by itself |
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| 15:44.36 | cloakable | elik: apt-get remove --purge ipmasq |
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| 15:44.46 | elik | cloakable, but ip masquerade on my laptop messed things up |
| 15:45.05 | cahoot | And1: else it's still present as an option in kernelsrc |
| 15:45.29 | mordy^ | i see some fglrx entries in inti.d and in a few rc<x>.d - i don't know what to do with them though - just delete them? |
| 15:45.47 | elik | cloakable, yeah, I guess that would work... but I thought I'd leave it installed to be able to use it in the future |
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| 15:45.57 | elik | cloakable, will see if it works anyway |
| 15:46.06 | elik | cloakable, I can reinstall later if I need it again |
| 15:46.30 | mordy^ | from what i understand, the rc<x> - x represents the run-level, and thus scripts of a later level depend on scripts from an earlier level - and i guess all scripts depend on init.d? am i getting this right? |
| 15:46.50 | cahoot | And1: hmm - at least up to 2.6.25 |
| 15:46.59 | mordy^ | but i'm just a newbie :( |
| 15:47.05 | elik | cloakable, I was under the impression that the problem came from the iptables module, but can't figure out if it was loaded before |
| 15:47.22 | And1 | cahoot: I found abug report here, ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383403 |
| 15:47.40 | And1 | cahoot: What you mean with it's still present in the kernel? |
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| 15:48.35 | cahoot | And1: grep -i cs46xx /boot/config-2.6.25.10 returns # CONFIG_SND_CS46XX is not set (here) |
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| 15:49.43 | And1 | cahoot: Here in /boot/config-2.6.25-2-686 I don't get any output... =/ |
| 15:49.51 | elik | cloakable.. well, that work |
| 15:50.54 | elik | cloakable, thanks a lot |
| 15:51.01 | cahoot | And1: ok I have kernel.org src - debian removed it? |
| 15:51.47 | nkuttler | mordy^: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:52.13 | mordy^ | nkuttler - remove the fglrx entries |
| 15:52.14 | And1 | cahoot: Yup, because of some license-stuff, dunno exactly, ... but in the bug report I don't see any way to use the driver right now. Hrm. |
| 15:52.39 | nkuttler | mordy^: what fglrx entries? |
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| 15:54.15 | mordy^ | nkuttler - radeonfb seems to be forced at boot - despite me blacklisting it and even using a new kernel - the only other thing i can think of forcing the radeonfb is something in rc?.d - and there are fglrx entires there |
| 15:54.48 | shefqeti | hi all. I'm getting enstranged by this. When I run: dd if=/dev/random of=testfile.dat bs=1024k count=500 the testfile.dat that gets created is only 1k, the commands hangs and doesn't return unless I do ^C |
| 15:55.25 | valdyn | shefqeti: yes, thats expected, try /dev/urandom instead |
| 15:55.27 | nkuttler | mordy^: oh, that was you. radeonfb is framebuffer, right? that gets loaded at boot time, before all that rc stuff |
| 15:55.52 | shefqeti | valdyn: I see. What's the difference between random and urandom ? |
| 15:55.56 | mordy^ | nkuttler - it gets loaded *in middle* of boot time - |
| 15:56.02 | valdyn | shefqeti: random gives better randomness |
| 15:56.27 | stew | shefqeti: /dev/random would work, but more slowly, becuase it has to wait for more random events to occur to use to generate more random numbers |
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| 15:56.48 | valdyn | shefqeti: if you dont have a hardware rng it needs human input for entropy though |
| 15:56.55 | mordy^ | in other words, after grub, it still uses the normal display - but about halfway through it spews out a line "using frame buffer device" and then followed by <something> radeonfb |
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| 15:57.16 | shefqeti | stew, valdyn: thanks. no no, I only want to create a garbage file for temporary measurements |
| 15:57.21 | nkuttler | mordy^: well, what does it say before? why don't you rm -f the module? is it a module at all? |
| 15:57.29 | valdyn | shefqeti: /dev/zero is faster |
| 15:57.35 | mordy^ | hmm... |
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| 15:58.04 | shefqeti | valdyn: I'll do one with that too. thanks |
| 15:58.39 | mordy^ | nkuttler - modprobe radeon fb shows it's a module - after rm -f radeonfb modprobe still shows it's there |
| 15:58.57 | nkuttler | mordy^: sure, removing it from the disk doesn't remove it from ram |
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| 15:59.22 | bipolar | When openssl-vulnkeys tells me "WARN: could not open database for 4096 bits." that just means that a database of vulnerable keys has not been made for that high of a bitlevel, right? |
| 15:59.27 | sladi | mordy^: can you replace the video card or use onboard for testing? |
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| 15:59.50 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
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| 15:59.51 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
| 15:59.54 | mordy^ | indeed - but how do i rm -f radeonfb before boot? if i'd need to use the init.d or rc?.d - then why not remove the thing that's causing it in the first place |
| 16:00.03 | mordy^ | sladi - i'm using a notebook - i can't |
| 16:00.08 | nkuttler | mordy^: rm -f (or mv) it and reboot |
| 16:00.28 | Eitan | shefqeti: hello again! |
| 16:00.30 | nkuttler | mordy^: btw, isn't radeonfb and flgrx something different? |
| 16:00.48 | shefqeti | Eitan: hi there |
| 16:01.01 | nkuttler | mordy^: your problem isn't starting x, is it? |
| 16:01.02 | mordy^ | nkuttler - i gather they are - but fglrx shouldn't be in init.d if i removed it |
| 16:01.04 | Eitan | shefqeti: I hooked up the new drive and ran ddrescue |
| 16:01.16 | mordy^ | nkuttler - that's what the *problem* is |
| 16:01.35 | And1 | What's apaches problem, when outputting: "apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using"? |
| 16:01.36 | mordy^ | but it also boots into framebuffer mode in the middle - it shouldn't do that - not if i tell it not to |
| 16:01.42 | shefqeti | Eitan: did it work ? |
| 16:01.45 | nkuttler | mordy^: try putting vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf instead of fglrx, radeon or whatever is there |
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| 16:02.19 | mordy^ | nkuttler - vesa works for X - but i want to solve the core of the problem. not to mention that vesa limits my display to 1024x768 |
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| 16:03.20 | mordy^ | nkuttler - let me place my question this way: if somethign is initialized during boot - where would it be? |
| 16:03.23 | Eitan | shefqeti: It just quit a moment ago. |
| 16:03.38 | nkuttler | mordy^: fb should be kernel automagic stuff.... iirc |
| 16:03.42 | Eitan | shefqeti: So now what should I do? |
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| 16:03.57 | mordy^ | hmm.. and how do i find that? |
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| 16:04.28 | mordy^ | brb |
| 16:04.36 | nkuttler | mordy^: move the kernel module out of the way of find out if there's some boot parameter. like vga=... (i think i already said that yesterday) |
| 16:04.44 | shefqeti | Eitan: did it provide any useful information ? |
| 16:04.49 | Eitan | shefqeti: rescued: 41103 MB, errsize: 6402 kB, current rate: 0 B/s |
| 16:04.49 | Eitan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.24 | nkuttler | mordy^: and unless you use the framebuffer interface for x they aren't connected anyway |
| 16:05.33 | shefqeti | Eitan: I don't like the looks of those "errors" sections |
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| 16:05.55 | nkuttler | mordy^: and are you sure that the resolution limitation isn't just a x misconfiguration? |
| 16:06.06 | Eitan | shefqeti: too many errors? Should I try to fsck /dev/hdb1 now? |
| 16:06.08 | shefqeti | Eitan: how does your hd behave now ? |
| 16:06.32 | Eitan | shefqeti: What do you mean? They're both just sitting there... |
| 16:06.45 | Eitan | shefqeti: ddrescue finished like 5 minutes ago. |
| 16:06.49 | docmax | hello |
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| 16:06.56 | docmax | i need a quick way to connect to a new wlan... |
| 16:07.11 | ootput | god this suspend/hibernate issue is unbearable |
| 16:07.12 | shefqeti | Eitan: no I mean, when you try to boot from that faulty disk, does it boot at all? As far as i remember, you couldn't |
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| 16:07.39 | Eitan | shefqeti: Like I said, ddrescue finished while I was talking to you... I haven't tried anything yet. |
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| 16:09.06 | shefqeti | Eitan: try to boot as before. Before you do any other modifications |
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| 16:09.18 | sladi | mordy^: I had no problem using vesa at high resolution. It's slow though. |
| 16:09.32 | psycodad | are the kernels now by default compiled with smp support ? like on amd64 and ppc32 ? |
| 16:09.33 | Eitan | shefqeti: will you be here for a while for chat? |
| 16:10.04 | shefqeti | Eitan: for some more 30mins I think. I'll head home afterwards |
| 16:10.11 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 16:10.25 | Nyle | i feel sick again |
| 16:10.33 | Nyle | fuck it im going home |
| 16:10.36 | Eitan | shefqeti: Where are you located? |
| 16:10.37 | Nyle | i can't work right now |
| 16:10.42 | shefqeti | Eitan: albania |
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| 16:11.11 | Eitan | shefqeti: Albania! |
| 16:11.17 | shefqeti | lol, yea |
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| 16:11.34 | Eitan | shefqeti: ok... I'm off to test the drive for boot then. |
| 16:11.43 | shefqeti | ok |
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| 16:11.54 | ootput | I'm currently using a Radeon Mobility M6 LY on my lenny system. Are there any direct-render-enabling drivers in repo for this? |
| 16:12.14 | ootput | I'm guessing that the fglrx drivers are too new? |
| 16:13.26 | pumpkin0 | ootput: the opensocure radeon works just fine. |
| 16:13.41 | pumpkin0 | ootput: fglrx never did M6. Not even 2D. |
| 16:14.09 | ootput | pumpkin0: opensource radeon did dri? |
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| 16:14.23 | pumpkin0 | ootput: sure. And 3D. |
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| 16:15.12 | jelly | Radeon Mobility M6 LY =~ 8500? |
| 16:15.25 | jelly | or even some 7xxx? |
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| 16:15.39 | pumpkin0 | jelly: 7000 |
| 16:15.57 | ootput | i'm not sure |
| 16:16.26 | mordy^ | ok, back |
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| 16:17.38 | pumpkin0 | ootput: M6 = Rv100 = Radeon M7000. The M7 was the 7500. |
| 16:17.39 | ggg334 | hi... is there any command line option available in debian like system-config-network in RH |
| 16:17.45 | mordy^ | jelly - i'm using x600 - and the m6 |
| 16:17.56 | ootput | glxinfo shows dri is not enabled |
| 16:18.14 | pumpkin0 | ootput: which debian ? etch or lenny ? |
| 16:18.24 | jelly | ggg334: not really, man 5 interfaces and an editor :-| |
| 16:18.25 | ootput | pumpkin0: lenny |
| 16:18.42 | shefqeti | ggg334: I don't know how RH has it, in debian you have all the network information under /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:18.57 | pumpkin0 | ootput: are you sure the radeon-driver is loaded? did you check xorg.0.log for errors ? |
| 16:19.00 | shefqeti | ggg334: it's a text file |
| 16:19.35 | mordy^ | err... nkuttler - i don't know or care much about X at this stage - i'm more concerned really with having the console not get into framebuffer mode - i don't know why it does it now. something has changed, and i don't know how to change it back or restore it |
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| 16:20.02 | jelly | wonders how ubuntu manages their network config... NetworkManager? *shudder* |
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| 16:20.54 | ootput | pumpkin0: no errors, and radeon is loaded |
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| 16:21.08 | shefqeti | jelly: I just checked and it has an /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 16:21.09 | shefqeti | :p |
| 16:21.26 | ootput | pumpkin0: the only thing resembling an error is drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 |
| 16:21.26 | pumpkin0 | ootput: can you put your xorg.conf into a pastebin ? |
| 16:21.29 | ootput | sure |
| 16:21.46 | pumpkin0 | ootput: put the log-file online too. |
| 16:21.47 | ootput | what's the name of the tool that automates uploads to pastebin? |
| 16:21.48 | jelly | shefqeti: it might, but editing it might not be the recommended way |
| 16:21.49 | ootput | yep |
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| 16:22.43 | pumpkin0 | ootput: aptitude install pastebinit |
| 16:22.50 | shefqeti | jelly: that I can't guarantee, yea. To what I've seen, the setups made from the gnome applet, they are reflected at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:23.06 | jelly | shefqeti: gnome's thingy, then |
| 16:23.11 | ZitZ | may radeon x1650 crashes the xserver, when it tries to use fglrx |
| 16:23.19 | shefqeti | jelly: let me see which is it |
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| 16:23.24 | ootput | pumpkin0: xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1075646 |
| 16:23.30 | jelly | shefqeti: nah, I don't really care |
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| 16:24.00 | shefqeti | jelly: nm-applet -.6.6 |
| 16:24.04 | shefqeti | jelly: nm-applet 0.6.6 |
| 16:24.12 | jelly | !win me |
| 16:24.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:24.13 | ootput | pumpkin0: Xorg.log http://pastebin.com/f22b243f0 |
| 16:24.41 | mordy^ | !help me |
| 16:24.45 | psychodealiq | does anybody knows how to manage resources limits for processes ran from within some cgroup? |
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| 16:26.11 | jelly | psychodealiq: you'll probably have to wait a few months until cgroups tools are written and packaged, so that a debian specific answer can be given |
| 16:26.17 | pumpkin0 | ootput: "(EE) RADEON(0): At least 12288 kB of video memory needed at this resolution and depth." You need more VRAM or less resolution. |
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| 16:26.51 | ootput | but at 1024x768 @ 16bit? |
| 16:26.55 | jelly | pumpkin0, ootput: or less bits per pixel |
| 16:26.58 | maligor | 12mb? |
| 16:27.08 | Eitan | shefqeti? |
| 16:27.09 | maligor | how much vram do you have?-) |
| 16:27.11 | pumpkin0 | ootput: too much for a 8MB version. |
| 16:27.21 | jelly | ootput: for DRI, sure |
| 16:27.44 | ootput | i'll right, i'll try a lower res |
| 16:27.46 | jetscreamer | yeah 8 megs isn't enough |
| 16:27.56 | jetscreamer | i can't increase mine on my laptop either |
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| 16:28.02 | jetscreamer | so no 32 bit which sucks |
| 16:28.11 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v been looking for some times about Debian compatibility for a Dell 530. It should use an Intel 1395 wifi card, is that ok under Debian lenny ? |
| 16:28.16 | jelly | ootput: I don't really think any lower res. will help, and your driver might require 32bit for dri to work |
| 16:28.27 | Eitan | shefqeti: you there? |
| 16:28.34 | ootput | .. 16bit works @ 1024 after all |
| 16:28.43 | ootput | my xorg.conf had 24 set as the default depth |
| 16:28.47 | rwaite | i cant use dri cause im doing dual monitors. it sux. |
| 16:28.49 | jetscreamer | yeah on mine too but it's fugly to me |
| 16:28.51 | ootput | :/ |
| 16:28.57 | pumpkin0 | jelly: no, the radeons do have dri at 32, 24 and 16 Bits. 8 Bit will fail. |
| 16:29.03 | jelly | pumpkin0: nice |
| 16:29.13 | ootput | I'm perfectly fine with it as it's mostly console apps anyway, besides the occasional movie |
| 16:29.22 | jetscreamer | you need >8megs vid ram for 32bit.. or 24 (i believe) |
| 16:29.30 | pumpkin0 | jelly: these cards are cool, but to slow for this modern world... |
| 16:29.34 | stew | x doesn't do 32 bit |
| 16:29.36 | jetscreamer | mplayer looks great in console though |
| 16:30.08 | jelly | pumpkin0: I come from the land of Intel, where women grow and 16bit sucks |
| 16:30.21 | ootput | i don't mind the positive impact on youtube playback either :) |
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| 16:31.50 | Eitan | I'm trying to restore a filesystem. How do I know if I should run fsck or fsck.ext3 ? |
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| 16:33.22 | jelly | Eitan: fsck will call fsck.ext3 anyway |
| 16:33.24 | stew | Eitan: you can use either if it is ext3. if you run fsck on an ext3 filesystem, fsck runs fsck.ext3 |
| 16:33.59 | pumpkin0 | ootput: btw: memorywise it does not matter if you use 16 or 24bit. The alignment-stuff will cause 24bit/poxel anyway ... |
| 16:34.04 | Eitan | I just rescued a drive with ddrescue... is the next step to run fsck? |
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| 16:34.31 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: 1. create a read-only copy. |
| 16:34.48 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: then run fsck.ext3.. |
| 16:35.05 | maligor | pumpkin0, you mean 24/32, not 16/24 |
| 16:35.17 | Eitan | pumpkin0: I create a read only copy in case fsck ruins the restored drive? |
| 16:35.20 | shefqeti | Eitan: were you able to boot ? |
| 16:35.26 | Eitan | shefqeti: no |
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| 16:35.33 | maligor | 24 is the problematic alignment |
| 16:35.36 | Eitan | shefqeti: error 17 under grub |
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| 16:35.40 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: right. |
| 16:35.46 | shefqeti | Eitan: i presume you're running a livecd now ? |
| 16:35.56 | Eitan | pumpkin0: won't that require yet another drive? |
| 16:36.02 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: yes. |
| 16:36.06 | Eitan | shefqeti: live cd |
| 16:36.18 | shefqeti | Eitan: are you able to mound the drive with the livecd ? |
| 16:36.23 | shefqeti | mount* |
| 16:36.39 | Eitan | pumpkin0: so to restore 1 drive, you recommend 2 replacement drives, or is that just being very safe? |
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| 16:37.08 | shefqeti | Eitan: Does the drive show up when you do: fdisk -l |
| 16:37.09 | shefqeti | ? |
| 16:37.19 | Eitan | shefqeti: it's not mounted yet... gparted shows that the primary partition has an "unknown" filesystem... so debian couldn't mount it. |
| 16:37.19 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: safe. Not very safe. very safe is using a backup in the first place. |
| 16:37.45 | shefqeti | Eitan: and that partition would be your wanted partition |
| 16:37.46 | shefqeti | ? |
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| 16:38.02 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: your data is in trouble anyway. So one more copy cannot hurt. |
| 16:38.42 | Peanut | Hi - I'm running into a known bug with libgd2-xpm and the solution is to 'install the libgd2-xpm from unstable' - how does one do that? I tried "apt-get -t unstable install libgd2-xpm" but that says it's already the newest version. |
| 16:38.43 | Eitan | shefqeti: http://pastebin.ca/1075672 |
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| 16:39.23 | Eitan | pumpkin0: apparently I have to spare no expense buying new replacement drives.... what could go wrong with fsck? |
| 16:39.49 | shefqeti | Eitan: try this: mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
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| 16:40.04 | shefqeti | Eitan: from what I see it is recognised as a linux partition |
| 16:40.05 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: if you mount stuff: -o ro |
| 16:40.12 | maligor | how did you bug it? |
| 16:40.43 | Eitan | shefqeti: http://pastebin.ca/1075674 |
| 16:40.43 | maligor | testdisk might be useful to run too |
| 16:41.03 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: the copy was from a failing drive, right? In that case all bets are off. |
| 16:41.05 | maligor | it searches for partition headers |
| 16:41.09 | Eitan | pumpkin0: ok |
| 16:41.31 | Eitan | pumkin0: yes failing drive... you mean fsck could ruin things? |
| 16:41.42 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: yes, that is possible. |
| 16:42.06 | Eitan | shefqeti: recognized as a linux partition, but without a filesystem |
| 16:42.29 | maligor | I wonder if fsck will even accept it |
| 16:42.37 | maligor | but you should use ext3 version directly probably |
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| 16:42.46 | Eitan | pumkin0: but isn't fsck the last resort anyway to restore the filesystem? even if I had a second duplicate drive... if fsck didn't work, what else could be tried other than fsck? |
| 16:43.03 | maligor | Eitan, there's testdisk |
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| 16:43.08 | Eitan | pumpkin0: but isn't fsck the last resort anyway to restore the filesystem? even if I had a second duplicate drive... if fsck didn't work, what else could be tried other than fsck? |
| 16:43.20 | Eitan | maligor: what does testdisk do? |
| 16:43.26 | maligor | it doesn't really do magic tho, I think fsck might be able to do the same thing |
| 16:43.48 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: you can rescue files with other tools as well. There is the sleuthkit ... |
| 16:43.53 | Eitan | maligor: so we're back to that. |
| 16:43.59 | maligor | I guess it'll mostly just search for ext3 superblock actually |
| 16:44.07 | maligor | the backup one |
| 16:44.10 | maligor | I think fsck will do that too |
| 16:44.13 | Ace2016_ | Hi all |
| 16:44.15 | TheMadHat- | how do i unpack/install/use a .deb file? |
| 16:44.20 | maligor | but if fsck won't accept it, you can try testdisk |
| 16:44.21 | Eitan | pumpkin0: should I try sleuthkit first? |
| 16:44.27 | ZitZ | sudo dpkg -i file.deb |
| 16:44.33 | Ace2016_ | anyone here use 64bit and have any regreats? i just want to know before installing 64bit for the first time |
| 16:44.36 | maligor | testdisk can recover complete partition tables |
| 16:44.39 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: no. that takes days to weeks for a single HD. |
| 16:44.49 | maligor | Eitan, oh and, check that your partition table looks ok |
| 16:45.01 | Eitan | maligor: my partition table is fine... no filesystem data on the primary partition |
| 16:45.02 | maligor | if it's corrupted you might get some really bad results |
| 16:45.12 | maligor | like partition sizes |
| 16:45.34 | Eitan | maligor: I think the partition table is fine... THINK... that is... it shows up fine on gparted... but the primary partition shows "unknown" filesystem |
| 16:45.52 | shefqeti | ... and that's the partition you want |
| 16:46.01 | Eitan | shefqeti: unfortunately |
| 16:46.08 | maligor | it's always hard to say much in those cases |
| 16:46.17 | Eitan | shefqeti: now what? should I do fsck or??? |
| 16:46.18 | maligor | fsck is destructive reconstruction |
| 16:46.26 | Eitan | maligor: what do you mean by that? |
| 16:46.31 | maligor | it'll modify things :P |
| 16:46.49 | shefqeti | Eitan: that you can save what's saveable, IF. what's not saveable, it's lost |
| 16:46.51 | maligor | if something goes wrong, you'll be left with the pieces |
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| 16:47.13 | Eitan | maligor: doesn't it need to modify things to fix them? What I need is the best last hope... not something intermediate |
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| 16:47.32 | jelly | Eitan: it means that, before you do anything, you have to make a dd-style image of either the whole disk or just the partition in question |
| 16:47.39 | Eitan | shefqueti: right... that's what I was thinking... if fsck doesn't work, isn't there no hope to recover what's on the drive? |
| 16:48.04 | Eitan | jelly: I did that... I'm working with a duplicate of the bad drive now... not the bad drive. |
| 16:48.07 | maligor | Eitan, you can try testdisk if that happens |
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| 16:48.29 | maligor | testdisk might be able to recover files |
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| 16:48.43 | maligor | features include: "Copy files from deleted FAT, NTFS and ext2/ext3 partitions. " |
| 16:48.57 | shefqeti | I have had damaged discs where dd would quit with a message saying "unable to read data" |
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| 16:49.14 | samplr | I used debootstrap and ended up with a directory I could sucessfully chroot into, but dpkg can't find /var/lib/dpkg/diversions, anymore (it used to work fine. maybe apt-get somehow broke things). How can I create a new diversions file? |
| 16:49.21 | jelly | shefqeti: dd_rescue, whatever |
| 16:49.24 | maligor | I once overwrote my harddisk header completely with random data |
| 16:49.27 | Eitan | maligor: is running testdisk safe? could it damage things? |
| 16:49.32 | maligor | testdisk was a friggen godsend :P |
| 16:49.48 | maligor | Eitan, I'm not sure |
| 16:49.56 | maligor | I expect it can be used for either |
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| 16:50.19 | Eitan | shefqeti: it recovered 41 gigabytes... 6 megabytes could not be recovered as errors |
| 16:50.20 | ootput | no regrets w/ 64bit |
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| 16:50.52 | jelly | Eitan: that sounds nice. is your partition table undamaged? |
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| 16:51.01 | shefqeti | Eitan: those 6Megs, did it report them in the beginning of your check or at any other time of the process ? |
| 16:51.09 | maligor | Eitan, mm.. that probably means your backup superblock is most likely intact |
| 16:51.19 | Ace2016__ | anyone have issues with 64bit that they don't have with 32bit? |
| 16:51.29 | maligor | so sounds like you might be able to recover most data |
| 16:51.34 | maligor | unless you're really unlucky |
| 16:51.36 | shefqeti | Eitan: I'd suspect that if it was in the beginning, you could be in a bad situation where your first sectors of the disk are damaged |
| 16:51.55 | maligor | shefqeti, heh, not really |
| 16:52.02 | maligor | that's recoverable |
| 16:52.04 | Eitan | jelly: I think so... basically gparted shows all the partitions... except the primary partition hda1... the one with all my data on it shows the filesystem as "unknown" |
| 16:52.06 | shefqeti | maligor: i'm not very sure though |
| 16:52.28 | maligor | Eitan, to tell the truth, I'd use testdisk first |
| 16:52.38 | maligor | fsck isn't meant for data recovery |
| 16:52.43 | maligor | but filesystem maintenance |
| 16:52.51 | Eitan | shefqueti:.... the beginning of the check was like 1 meg... the other 5 were on later parts of the disk |
| 16:53.07 | maligor | but it's entirely possible that testdisk will fubar it, and fsck would work |
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| 16:53.17 | jelly | Eitan: so make an additional image of hda1, then do a fsck -b 8193 /dev/wherever the image is |
| 16:53.54 | Eitan | maligor: sounds like you're not sure |
| 16:54.15 | maligor | I'm always not sure when it's someone else's corrupted data they want to recover :P |
| 16:54.20 | jelly | good thing you can make extra images and play each scenario on them :-) |
| 16:54.31 | maligor | especially if they can't take a backup |
| 16:54.48 | Eitan | jelly: what does -b 8193 do? |
| 16:55.00 | maligor | I had good experiences with testdisk but different problem |
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| 16:55.07 | Eitan | jelly: only with extra drives! |
| 16:55.15 | jelly | Eitan: e2fsck's option to use an alternate superblock |
| 16:55.35 | jelly | Eitan: the first alternate superblock is usually at 8193 |
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| 16:55.45 | shefqeti | jelly: would mount accept a parameter to use a different superblock ? |
| 16:55.49 | Eitan | jelly: and the 8193... what's that for? |
| 16:55.58 | shefqeti | Eitan: the number of the superblock |
| 16:56.03 | jelly | Eitan: man e2fsck (or fsck.ext3, same thing) |
| 16:56.15 | Ace2016__ | help, something is slowing everything down |
| 16:56.26 | Igneous | After a recent kernel upgrade, my nvidia driver fails to build and install, I was wondering if someone might be able to take a look at the logfile, and maybe assist me? |
| 16:56.29 | jelly | Ace2016__: oh noes |
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| 16:56.30 | Igneous | http://pastebin.us/?show=m158f355f |
| 16:56.31 | Ace2016__ | but everything in netstat, ps and ram/swap usage looks ok |
| 16:56.32 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: you can tell fsck to make a dryrun (not to edit stuff, just to have a look what is broken). |
| 16:56.33 | Ace2016__ | :( |
| 16:56.38 | pandark | bonsoir |
| 16:56.40 | pandark | hello |
| 16:56.43 | pandark | goodevening |
| 16:56.43 | Ace2016__ | can't even play a youtube video without it stalling |
| 16:57.11 | jelly | Ace2016__: pastebin some 20 lines of "vmstat 1" output |
| 16:57.21 | Eitan | pumpkin0: ok... how do I do that? |
| 16:57.30 | Ace2016__ | whatever it is, its pushing the cpufreq to 1800/1600 and keeping it there and not going down to 800 |
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| 16:58.02 | jelly | Ace2016__: use "top" and sort the processes by cpu usage |
| 16:58.11 | Eitan | Can one of you guys... pumpkin.. shefqueti.. jelly... whichever one of you feels they are most expert guide me step by step to finish recovering this drive? Please? |
| 16:58.18 | maligor | Igneous, I guess the kernel in question is 2.6.26? |
| 16:58.32 | Ace2016__ | firefox-bin has very high usage |
| 16:58.34 | Igneous | maligor: yeah |
| 16:58.37 | Igneous | Linux Ursa 2.6.26-git6-debian-sid #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 18 04:35:59 CDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:58.46 | pumpkin0 | Eitan: fsck.ext3 -n /dev/drive is safe |
| 16:58.52 | jelly | Ace2016__: disable flash. |
| 16:58.54 | maligor | git6? |
| 16:58.55 | Ace2016__ | :( |
| 16:59.02 | jelly | Ace2016__: restart firefox |
| 16:59.03 | Igneous | maligor: bleeding edge, like 5 hours old |
| 16:59.23 | maligor | Igneous, might be better to ask on #nvidia tho, the interfaces changed so it probably needs patching |
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| 16:59.34 | Igneous | maligor: It worked on git4, yesterday |
| 16:59.42 | maligor | oh, something more changed |
| 17:00.00 | shefqeti | jelly: yes. It seems mount will accept a different superblock with sb=8193 |
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| 17:00.38 | Eitan | pumpkin0: it's doing it... waiting... |
| 17:00.38 | Igneous | I think I know what it is, I enabled some experemental hyperthreading option |
| 17:00.40 | jelly | Ace2016__: well, use Flashblock or a similar firefox plugin to only run that one flash applet you want |
| 17:00.56 | maligor | maybe mount the filesystem with alternate superblock and ro? |
| 17:01.19 | mordy^ | anyone in the mood for helping me with my stubborn radeonfb? |
| 17:01.20 | mordy^ | :( |
| 17:01.40 | Ace2016__ | opera plays it fine |
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| 17:02.00 | Sebby | hi |
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| 17:02.12 | shefqeti | mordy^: you're still stuck with that aren't you.. :/ |
| 17:02.59 | wols | mordy^: pastebin the output of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 17:03.01 | Sebby | i need to change the port on wich the e-mails are sent and to specify to use smarthost how do ia doit in Debian ? |
| 17:03.06 | Ace2016__ | wtf, firefox is downloading the youtube video slower and ends up pausing, wtf is going on |
| 17:03.07 | Ace2016__ | oh |
| 17:03.21 | wols | Sebby: depends on the MTA |
| 17:03.23 | Sebby | i need to have port 587 instand of port 25 |
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| 17:03.52 | Sebby | how can i find wich mta i have |
| 17:04.04 | shefqeti | Sebby: telnet localhost 25 |
| 17:04.09 | shefqeti | and see what you have |
| 17:04.12 | Ace2016__ | oh they are using flash from two different locations lol |
| 17:04.42 | Sebby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.43 | Sebby | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 17:04.43 | Sebby | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 17:04.49 | wols | mordy^: do you want help or not? |
| 17:04.57 | wols | Sebby: you have a broken debian then |
| 17:04.59 | shefqeti | Sebby: is the mta in localhost or anywhere remote ? |
| 17:05.18 | mordy^ | yes, sorry wols, shefqeti - connection here is on the slow side |
| 17:05.34 | Sebby | my debian is running under colinux |
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| 17:05.38 | Eitan | pumpkin0: ok... well the output was huge... how do I do it so that the output goes to a file that I can pastebin for you? is there anything about the output I can just tell you about or do you want me to pastebin all the output? |
| 17:05.41 | Sebby | and my port 25 is blocked |
| 17:05.52 | wols | Sebby: not on localhost |
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| 17:06.01 | mordy^ | wols - there's only one line - blacklist radeonfb |
| 17:06.07 | wols | Sebby: go into your debian, and run the command |
| 17:06.07 | Sebby | and on windows i bypassed that by setting in IIS the port 587 and a smarthost |
| 17:06.10 | jelly | Eitan: script some.log, then do your fsck inside script and exit that shell when you're done |
| 17:06.15 | Ace2016__ | yup, they had different flash version installed |
| 17:06.34 | shefqeti | Sebby: yea. you need to login at the machine you have the mta on, and then give that telnet command |
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| 17:06.55 | wols | mordy^: what is in /etc/modules? |
| 17:06.55 | Ace2016__ | i think flash player downloads stuff slower |
| 17:06.56 | Eitan | jelly: where will some.log be saved? |
| 17:07.01 | Sebby | but i don`t know if i have mta |
| 17:07.04 | wols | Eitan: /var/log |
| 17:07.11 | Sebby | i use the defauld debian |
| 17:07.14 | Peanut | Ok, now I'm scared - I want to install 'libgd2-xpm' from unstable on my Etch machine. But then it wants to install a new libc6, remove linux-kernel-headers, upgrade binutils, libfreetype and loads of other stuff - not sure if it'd be safe to continue? |
| 17:07.14 | wols | Sebby: debian has it unless you removed it |
| 17:07.30 | jelly | Eitan: current dir. you can specify an absolute path if you like |
| 17:07.30 | wols | Peanut: you should be. that breaks your debian |
| 17:07.38 | wols | Peanut: it is not safe |
| 17:07.48 | Sebby | by default were should reside the mta files |
| 17:07.49 | wols | !tell Peanut about ssb |
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| 17:07.57 | jelly | wols: wtf? <jelly> Eitan: script some.log, [...] <Eitan> jelly: where will some.log be saved? <wols> Eitan: /var/log |
| 17:08.01 | mordy^ | wols: loop, sbp2, fuse |
| 17:08.07 | wols | jelly: thought logfiles |
| 17:08.17 | Peanut | Ok thanks wols, let me try and understand what you just said :-) |
| 17:08.21 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 17:08.21 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
| 17:08.23 | Peanut | And let me remove the 'unstable' line from my sources.list |
| 17:08.29 | wols | mordy^: since you cannot do pastebin repeatedly I cannot help you, bai |
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| 17:08.41 | shefqeti | Sebby: depends on mta. I'd guess the binaries are in /sbin and the configs under /etc |
| 17:08.53 | mordy^ | gah |
| 17:08.56 | Sebby | yes |
| 17:09.02 | wols | Sebby: netstat -anp |grep 25 |
| 17:09.02 | mordy^ | http://paste.lisp.org/display/63892#2 |
| 17:09.04 | Sebby | configs in /etc |
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| 17:09.34 | jelly | Eitan: you can also try and see whether fsck.ext3 -b 8193 -n ... will produce a smaller log :-) |
| 17:09.39 | Sebby | gnuworld@debian:~/gnuworld/bin$ netstat -anp |grep 25 |
| 17:09.39 | Sebby | (Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info |
| 17:09.39 | Sebby | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.39 | Sebby | gnuworld@debian:~/gnuworld/bin$ |
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| 17:09.51 | wols | as root |
| 17:09.55 | Sebby | lol |
| 17:10.10 | Eitan | jelly: I'm doing the non-destructive pass first, according to pumpkin0 |
| 17:10.31 | Sebby | can you give me the netstat parameters again |
| 17:10.32 | Sebby | ? |
| 17:10.42 | Sebby | netstat - |grep 25 |
| 17:10.45 | shefqeti | Sebby: do you have anything when you do: ls /etc/exim* ? |
| 17:10.53 | jelly | Eitan: right. and after that one, do another non-desctuctive one (-n) with using the superblock at 8193 as a basis |
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| 17:11.11 | pollie | hello guys |
| 17:11.26 | pollie | is the beta2 lenny installer safe to use? |
| 17:11.46 | pollie | the errata section says that disk may change all the time after installation |
| 17:12.00 | Sebby | i don`t have |
| 17:12.12 | shefqeti | Sebby: it seems you don't have exim |
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| 17:12.58 | shefqeti | Sebby: netstat -n | grep 25 |
| 17:12.59 | deus___ | pollie, i already used it twice and had no problems with it. |
| 17:13.06 | shefqeti | Sebby: does that show anything ? |
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| 17:13.15 | Eitan | pumpkin0: I have outputs... should I pastebin them? |
| 17:13.29 | Sebby | nothing |
| 17:13.32 | pollie | deus___, which version of it? weekly snapshot? |
| 17:13.40 | Eitan | jelly: the -b 8193 didn't work at all |
| 17:13.45 | pollie | i have time to remake my box today and i need some help :( |
| 17:13.49 | shefqeti | Sebby: it seems you have no running mta |
| 17:13.53 | Eitan | jelly: debian:/home/user# fsck.ext3 -n -b 8193 /dev/hda1 |
| 17:13.53 | Eitan | e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 17:13.54 | Eitan | fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda1 |
| 17:13.54 | pollie | just the installer issue, nothing more |
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| 17:14.06 | wols | pollie: why do you want to use it? |
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| 17:14.35 | pollie | wols, debian testing? because i would in anycase do a lot of pinning in stable for newer packages |
| 17:14.45 | deus___ | yes, i tried one yesterday and had no problems |
| 17:14.48 | wols | no. why use the lenny installer |
| 17:14.55 | wols | deus___: don't |
| 17:15.00 | Sebby | i`m running debian 4 (etch is i think) |
| 17:15.06 | Sebby | if that helps |
| 17:15.07 | pollie | wols, what should I use ? |
| 17:15.17 | wols | etch installer. upgrade afterwards if you want |
| 17:15.22 | wols | !tell Sebby about version |
| 17:15.28 | shefqeti | I have to leave guys. Take care all |
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| 17:16.09 | Sebby | debian:/home/gnuworld/gnuworld/bin# uname -r |
| 17:16.09 | Sebby | 2.6.22.18-co-0.7.3 |
| 17:16.36 | Sebby | debian:/home/gnuworld/gnuworld/bin# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:16.36 | Sebby | 4.0 |
| 17:16.36 | wols | libc6 version |
| 17:16.39 | Eitan | jelly: I have the log file... but now I don't know how to pastebin it. |
| 17:16.47 | wols | !tell Sebby abou paste |
| 17:16.49 | pollie | wols, you mean to set the release from stable to testing after installing and then dist-upgrade? |
| 17:16.51 | munkyeetr | has anyone here had iceweasel's titlebar comepletly disappear on them? |
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| 17:16.59 | tingle | i just installed wine on etch how can i install a game now? when i try wine in terminal i tells me i need to give a arguement |
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| 17:17.00 | wols | pollie: xes |
| 17:17.04 | Sebby | debian:/home/gnuworld/gnuworld/bin# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 17:17.04 | Sebby | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:17.04 | Sebby | debian:/home/gnuworld/gnuworld/bin# |
| 17:17.05 | wols | !tell pollie about etch->lenny |
| 17:17.16 | wols | Sebby: STGP that spamming! |
| 17:17.19 | Eitan | shefqeti: I need some help... |
| 17:17.22 | rsk | tingle: wine app.exe |
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| 17:17.26 | pollie | alright i will try that way |
| 17:17.28 | wols | Eitan: he's gone |
| 17:17.40 | wols | pollie: what mainboard/chipset? |
| 17:17.47 | Sebby | so what do i have to do |
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| 17:18.03 | Eitan | wols: ok... so who was helping me? |
| 17:18.16 | pollie | e6420, 16GB ram, 4TB space |
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| 17:18.23 | pollie | 965p intel |
| 17:18.26 | wols | Eitan: if you don't know you have bigger problems than that disk. see a shrink |
| 17:18.57 | pollie | silicon image softraid controllers wols |
| 17:19.02 | Eitan | wols: that wasn't nice... it seems like everyone who was helping me has jumped ship |
| 17:19.02 | pollie | work like a charm with the kernel |
| 17:19.05 | wols | pollie: evil |
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| 17:19.11 | wols | pollie: use software raid btw |
| 17:19.15 | pollie | i do |
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| 17:19.37 | pollie | lvm on top of it |
| 17:19.42 | pollie | with xfs |
| 17:20.13 | Eitan | Is there anyone here who can help guide me to recovering the files from a damaged filesystem? |
| 17:20.34 | pollie | Eitan, is it ext3 ? |
| 17:20.39 | jeffwheeler | Eitan: do you know any more details? There are some good resources on the internet. |
| 17:20.47 | Eitan | pollie: I believe so. |
| 17:21.03 | pollie | there was someone who put up an utility for undeleting files easily on ext3 |
| 17:21.05 | jeffwheeler | Eitan: for many (non-ext) things, there's a DataRecovery page on the Ubuntu wiki which is pretty good |
| 17:21.06 | rwaite | ugh, good luck to you mate. that's why god invented backups. |
| 17:21.07 | pollie | i read about it at osnews |
| 17:21.08 | Eitan | jeffwheeler: I have a lot of details... if someone is willing to help. |
| 17:21.31 | pollie | however, if fsck has done its bidding you are s-o-l |
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| 17:21.53 | jeffwheeler | Eitan: there's a lot of good ideas here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery |
| 17:21.54 | Eitan | jefwheeler: look... I need the help of someone live... faqs are not going to cut it at this point |
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| 17:22.17 | pollie | ubunfu :*** |
| 17:22.20 | jeffwheeler | Eitan: oh, then I'm not your man; I don't nearly know enough about this stuff --- I've just Googled |
| 17:22.25 | jelly | Eitan: I missed a few minutes, did you paste fsck -n logs? |
| 17:22.28 | pollie | what the hell is it with that anyway... |
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| 17:22.29 | jeffwheeler | pollie: it's a great page, don't disregard it |
| 17:22.33 | jelly | pastebin* |
| 17:22.42 | pollie | ok i will take a look... |
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| 17:22.58 | Eitan | jelly: I was looking for you... somehoe you got bumped... anyway... I did the fsck logs... but I don't know how to pastbin an entire file... it's long. |
| 17:23.14 | jelly | !tell Eitan about pastebin pipe |
| 17:23.48 | pollie | ho well, i have to back up enough configuration to drive me nuts now |
| 17:24.20 | pollie | later |
| 17:24.33 | pollie | and thanks |
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| 17:26.06 | m_rm | Hi |
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| 17:26.28 | matthiasb | Hi, i'm about to install a Debian on a really old machine. It's a HP 9000 d200 so far, i can't get any response out of it. |
| 17:26.30 | jeffwheeler | I've never figured this out . . . why does everybody leave at the same time? |
| 17:26.44 | matthiasb | i thought of installing it over network, but i don't know how to do this? |
| 17:26.59 | matthiasb | Is there, like, a start cd that's opening a new ssh session? |
| 17:27.11 | ZitZ | what do you mean no response? |
| 17:27.24 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: I think there is a netinst boot disc, but I've never used it |
| 17:27.39 | m_rm | Hi, I made a dist-upgrade on my Thinkpad yesterday (I run testing) and now there is no mouse at all. |
| 17:27.39 | matthiasb | I don't know how to communicate with this server. |
| 17:28.22 | jelly | matthiasb: "can't get any response out of it"? Does it power on? |
| 17:28.25 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: this is probably not exactly what you're looking for, but might get you one step closer: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:28.29 | matthiasb | Any details about this netinst boot disc? I need a HPPA version of it. |
| 17:28.31 | Eitan | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1075714 |
| 17:28.54 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: it looks like there's a HPPA disc on that site. |
| 17:28.55 | matthiasb | Oh yes, it does power on, but then it's just running. |
| 17:28.57 | thingfish | http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ |
| 17:29.04 | matthiasb | There's no way to plug a monitor in. |
| 17:29.20 | m_rm | xorg tells me that the /dev/input/event* devices are missing |
| 17:29.23 | matthiasb | I plugged a Lan-Cable in, but when booting i can't capture anything with wireshark. |
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| 17:29.48 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: what ports _are_ on it? LAN, power, USB? |
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| 17:30.33 | matthiasb | Heck if i would know, there are a LAN, some R232 a SCSI PS/2 (two) and thats about it. |
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| 17:30.49 | jelly | Eitan: yeah, it looks like that first run would mess some things up. what about -b 8193? |
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| 17:31.48 | Eitan | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1075723 |
| 17:31.49 | matthiasb | It's a really really old machine. There are some details here: http://www.openpa.net/systems/hp-9000_d-class_r-class.html |
| 17:31.54 | matthiasb | Called d200 |
| 17:32.10 | jelly | Eitan: also, is hda1 now the image, or the original drive? you should be working on an image (and have an additional intact backup image as well) |
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| 17:32.53 | jelly | Eitan: hm, what about -b 32768 -n ? |
| 17:32.54 | Eitan | jelly: I'm working off a new drive... the bad drive is sitting on my desk... I don't have a 3rd drive to make a 2nd backup. |
| 17:33.07 | Eitan | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1075723 |
| 17:33.13 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: you're beyond what I know; I thought there might be something possible with firewire |
| 17:33.18 | Eitan | jelly: oh... my mistake... hold on |
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| 17:34.20 | matthiasb | @ jeffwheeler in your posted link i just find a method for installing debian over the internet, i can't plug a monitor or else in, is there a way to simply boot from CD, start a ssh session and work over a ssh clien? |
| 17:34.33 | matthiasb | *client |
| 17:34.52 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: I suppose you could always try memorizing the necessary key combos ;) |
| 17:35.31 | Eitan | jelly: it's doing it now... btw... I thoght 8193 was the backup superblock... what's 32768? |
| 17:35.39 | psycodad | what do i have to add to /etc/network/interfaces to bring an if up but not more ? |
| 17:35.41 | matthiasb | haha, but still i can't plug a keyboard in, there's a ps/2 but i don't know if it's working though |
| 17:36.00 | zebedeee | Hi all. Are there any LVM experts out there who might be able to rescue my system? I have my root filesystem on LVM, but am being booted into initramfs due to two pv devices. |
| 17:36.06 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: this is a bugger of a machine, ha; I'm not sure if that's really possible |
| 17:36.11 | jelly | Eitan: it's the usual backup superblock, but for larger partitions... I'm not sure where the line is |
| 17:36.19 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: it _should_ be possible to make a live cd that would have openssh on it |
| 17:36.41 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: and many live discs already do automatically boot and connect to the network |
| 17:36.42 | ZitZ | hi, my ati x1650 pro crashes the xserver immediately when using fglrx |
| 17:36.43 | matthiasb | Yes, but it should launch everything automatically |
| 17:36.57 | jelly | Eitan: description of -b in e2fsck man page mentions both |
| 17:37.11 | Eitan | jelly: oh... it's still going... |
| 17:37.21 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: I don't think Debian Live supports hppa, does it? |
| 17:37.22 | matthiasb | @ jeffwheeler OK, that idea is GREAT, i'll just start inserting a live CD and test if it's booting from disc. |
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| 17:37.39 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: how are you going to test that? Watch for network traffic? |
| 17:37.54 | matthiasb | Well... i don't know either but i'll have to look if it's booting from disc at ALL. |
| 17:38.06 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: ha, yeah. |
| 17:38.23 | matthiasb | I tested for network traffic via wireshark, no response, no DHCP lookup or anything else. |
| 17:38.48 | jelly | Eitan: how large is hda, is it significantly large than the original disk? If it is, you may be able to make an additional copy of hda1 before doing a real fsck or some other potentially destructive action |
| 17:38.49 | matthiasb | so, i'm on it to boot from disk. if it isn't... well i don't know how to change the boot sequence.. |
| 17:38.51 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: that was without a live cd, right? Try the same thing with a live cd in there, and see if it tries DHCP. |
| 17:39.02 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: then you _are_ SOL |
| 17:39.04 | matthiasb | ok |
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| 17:39.22 | jeffwheeler | (Without a keyboard, that is. . . ) |
| 17:39.32 | n1kt0 | hi2all |
| 17:39.38 | Eitan | jelly: it's exactly the same model drive |
| 17:39.59 | kingsley | Is there a command like "apt-get upgrade", but which only upgrades essential or required packages? Maybe it could be called something like "apt-get upgrade-essential-or-required". |
| 17:40.01 | Eitan | jelly: here are the results of 32768 ... http://pastebin.ca/1075735 |
| 17:41.02 | n1kt0 | I have installed system from netinstall cd & I have debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso, how can I correct update package ? i try it: apt-get update && apt-get install xfce... I have no result |
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| 17:41.29 | kingsley | Failing that, is there a command which returns the names of all essential and required packages that are installed? (They could be fed to "apt-get install ...". |
| 17:41.55 | cahoot | n1kt0: try /msg dpkg sources |
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| 17:42.19 | alys | I have been running etch for just a week. Please, what is the equivalent of the old 'base-config'. I need to configure exim. Thank you. |
| 17:43.23 | cahoot | alys: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (IIRC) |
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| 17:43.56 | alys | cahoot: thank you. |
| 17:43.59 | jelly | Eitan: eh, pretty much the same thing. This is out of my area of expertise, I'd hoped the alternate superblock fsck would be gentler. I suggest asking the ext3-users mailing list. There also might be more knowlegeable people in #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:44.01 | n1kt0 | <cahoot> I not understand you |
| 17:44.20 | n1kt0 | where I write /msg dpkg sources ? |
| 17:44.32 | simonrvn | here in irc |
| 17:44.32 | cahoot | n1kt0: do you have any valid mirrors lisetd in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:44.57 | Eitan | jelly: I'd rather not wait for a mailing list... so I should go to a different irc room? |
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| 17:45.09 | n1kt0 | <cahoot> not yet |
| 17:45.14 | simonrvn | s,room,channel, |
| 17:45.38 | cahoot | !sources |
| 17:45.38 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:45.52 | cahoot | n1kt0: ^^ |
| 17:45.58 | Eitan | jelly: some questions... what if I had done the fsck without the -n and said "yes" to all the questions? |
| 17:46.22 | matthiasb | @ jeffwheeler: OK i put a Ubutnu 8.1 in (because it was lying around) and i don't even know if my machine did boot from it. CD is inside and not spinning down anymore, but wireshark doesn't display anything. |
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| 17:46.47 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: isn't the Ubuntu disc only i386? |
| 17:47.06 | matthiasb | ooh, i think yes |
| 17:47.06 | jelly | Eitan: you'd have ended up with lots of files in /lost+found |
| 17:47.17 | Eitan | jelly: I also remember now, that when the original drive went bad... during boot, debian said I needed to run fsck... which I did, and I said yes to all the questions.... this was on the bad drive... it was after that that I got error 17 on grub |
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| 17:47.45 | matthiasb | do you know if i'm inserting debian-40r3-hppa-CD-1 if it's trying to open any network connections? |
| 17:47.47 | n1kt0 | <cahoot> m... i need installed packege from cd debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso in to the installed system from netinstall |
| 17:47.47 | Eitan | jelly: ok... let's say that happened... would I at least be able to access the filesystem? |
| 17:47.59 | jelly | Eitan: oh, so your metadata might already be destroyed. Be sure to mention that to #linuxfs and whoever else you ask. |
| 17:48.20 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: and unfortunately, Debian Live only supports i386, amd, ppc at the moment; I'm not sure where to find you a hppa live disc |
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| 17:48.43 | matthiasb | Official Debian release is not a live disc like Ubuntu? |
| 17:48.51 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: nope |
| 17:48.58 | m_rm | My mouse does not work with gpm either and /dev/input/mice does not show any output on mouse moves |
| 17:49.01 | matthiasb | And not opening any network connections? |
| 17:49.06 | jelly | Eitan: the directory tree would be virtually nonexistent and recovered files would be placed in lost+found |
| 17:49.23 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: it looks like Gentoo might have a live disc that supports hppa; and I don't _think_ the Debian installer would open any connections |
| 17:49.29 | cr3rzemjest | !wut |
| 17:49.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 17:49.33 | cjae | Nvidia questions here or #nvidia? I think it has to do with debian more |
| 17:49.35 | Eitan | jelly: ok... so there would be one directory called lost+found with a huge list of files in it? |
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| 17:49.45 | jelly | Eitan: that's the way fsck works, yes |
| 17:49.53 | jeffwheeler | cjae: here is fine |
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| 17:50.32 | jelly | Eitan: at least some of files would lose their filenames and would be named like "#1345432" |
| 17:50.34 | Eitan | jelly: that's fine... I care more about getting the files ultimately... having the directories would be nice but... if I can't get that... |
| 17:50.44 | Eitan | jelly: that's bad... |
| 17:50.50 | cr3rzemjest | wut |
| 17:50.56 | jelly | Eitan: and there's no guarantee that all the files would be recovered |
| 17:51.18 | Eitan | jelly: given that I already ran fsck on the bad drive, as debian boot suggested... is there still any hope? |
| 17:51.19 | matthiasb | seems i have to ask someone who is familiar with these old hp servers. i was even soldering an r232 cable so i could plug it in, but still no response. |
| 17:51.26 | cjae | installing the nvidia driver in etch and get the nvidia logo upon xserver reboot but when I try glxinfo |grep rendering |
| 17:51.27 | cjae | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 17:51.29 | matthiasb | monitor is weird too, it has it's own console running |
| 17:51.37 | n1kt0 | =) |
| 17:51.38 | jelly | Eitan: no idea. ask an ext3 expert |
| 17:51.42 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: hmm, good luck |
| 17:51.55 | Eitan | jelly: ok... then, I'm off... thank you very much for your help. |
| 17:52.01 | matthiasb | thanks so far, i'm coming back when i've debian relatet questions |
| 17:52.02 | jelly | Eitan: how much are you willing to pay for that data to be retrieved? |
| 17:52.11 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: no problem; it was a good challenge |
| 17:52.17 | matthiasb | harhrh |
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| 17:52.29 | Eitan | jelly: well... I suppose $100 ... I know that's not enough. |
| 17:52.29 | jeffwheeler | matthiasb: I'm curious what I'd do in the same situation :P |
| 17:53.00 | matthiasb | erm, do know any channel where i can find such old server hackers? |
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| 17:53.13 | matthiasb | that machines about 20 years old... |
| 17:53.17 | n1kt0 | reiserfs is a stupid file system |
| 17:53.25 | jeffwheeler | #risc? |
| 17:53.33 | matthiasb | thanks |
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| 17:53.37 | Eitan | jelly: thanks again. |
| 17:53.38 | TheMadHat- | n1kt0: why is it stupid? |
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| 17:54.28 | cjae | jeffwheeler, did you catch that? |
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| 17:55.04 | jeffwheeler | cjae: I'm no nvidia expert myself; I just figured it was okay because I've seen plenty others ask hree |
| 17:55.04 | jeffwheeler | * here |
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| 17:55.11 | jelly | Eitan: I've seen data recovery services here (Croatia) start at $250 or so. A year ago It would have been $150 |
| 17:55.20 | n1kt0 | <TheMadHat-> frequent fall=\ |
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| 17:55.29 | jelly | oh, you're gone |
| 17:55.49 | pandark | écoute Without You I'm Nothing Remix .. par PLACEBO album:Without You I'm Nothing single remix |
| 17:55.54 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
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| 17:56.00 | jeffwheeler | cjae: without knowing anything about it, you might try /msg dpkg nvidia-one-liner and /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 17:56.11 | rahul | Nyle: unda |
| 17:56.37 | Nyle | yo |
| 17:56.39 | Nyle | check msg |
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| 17:57.52 | nkuttler | pandark: you really want to turn that script off |
| 17:58.09 | cjae | !nvidia |
| 17:58.09 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
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| 17:58.54 | turneralex | hey im currently installing the world best distro, (debian). and i've got it running on at least 100 machines before, but im installing deb onto this adaptec hardware (fake) raid card, and the format is taking 3 hours +, and stuck on 33% |
| 17:58.59 | turneralex | frozen, or doing something? |
| 17:59.00 | s0n1 | someone knows a ISO debian witch suport a raid 1 for hardware ?? |
| 17:59.29 | jelly | s0n1: which hardware? |
| 17:59.31 | turneralex | s0n1: any of them, try netinst its small, and probably the fastest to install |
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| 17:59.47 | turneralex | jelly: I think he means a hardware RAID 1 controller |
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| 18:00.02 | jelly | turneralex: and I'm asking "which one" |
| 18:00.07 | cjae | jeffwheeler, /msg dpkg nvidia-one-liner doesn't work |
| 18:00.11 | turneralex | jelly: Whoops. |
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| 18:00.23 | jeffwheeler | /msg dpkg nvidia-one-liner |
| 18:00.26 | jeffwheeler | woopsies |
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| 18:01.02 | s0n1 | jelly: i use HP DL320 witch suport a RAID 1 (BIOS) |
| 18:01.03 | turneralex | My guess is, if he's asking that question, it isn't a sever raid card with ram and batteries |
| 18:01.15 | jeffwheeler | cjae: try with underscores instead of hyphens |
| 18:01.20 | turneralex | s0n1: Which generation? |
| 18:01.20 | s0n1 | but i install debian don't , i view two HD's SATA |
| 18:01.22 | jelly | s0n1: DL320 has 2 or 3 controller options |
| 18:01.33 | s0n1 | 2 controller options |
| 18:01.33 | turneralex | jelly: Dependant on the gen |
| 18:01.44 | Ace2016 | how does the plain debian installer with the blue background and the white on red selction know what my display is? the letters do not look stretched |
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| 18:02.09 | jelly | turneralex: even the current DL 320 G5p has at least two :-) |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | Ace2016: LCD .. and not the crt/lcd |
| 18:02.19 | jeffwheeler | Ace2016: probably using VESA? |
| 18:02.22 | turneralex | jelly: Do you really think he's on a G5? |
| 18:02.23 | turneralex | haha |
| 18:02.25 | Ace2016 | yes its an lcd connected via dvi |
| 18:02.31 | jelly | turneralex: I have no idea. |
| 18:02.37 | turneralex | im a dl380 user :D |
| 18:02.41 | s0n1 | i need debian iso witch suport HP DL320 raid 1 |
| 18:02.47 | cjae | !nvidia_one_liner |
| 18:03.03 | turneralex | jelly: How long does a 2TB hardware raid array format usually take with the debian installer.. +3hours? |
| 18:03.07 | jelly | turneralex: $employer is pretty much a HP shop, I can has 320 - 380, g2 - g5 :-) |
| 18:03.25 | cjae | jeffwheeler, /msg dpkg nvidia_one_liner doesn't work either |
| 18:03.33 | turneralex | jelly: Oh wikid, i've got 10 Dl380 G3's in my house |
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| 18:03.52 | turneralex | but the differences between the G3 and G4 aren't tooo great, so G3 will do. |
| 18:03.54 | jelly | turneralex: I never format that large partitions, mine are split into 100-200GB slices |
| 18:03.57 | jeffwheeler | cjae: the one with hyphens definitely worked for me |
| 18:04.00 | jeffwheeler | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 18:04.01 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 18:04.08 | turneralex | jelly: Ahh, this is for my dads home server |
| 18:04.32 | turneralex | jelly: A media server |
| 18:04.32 | jelly | turneralex: 2TB means horrible fsck times |
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| 18:04.44 | jeffwheeler | (I love dpkg's prefix's: "well," "hmm," etc.) |
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| 18:04.47 | turneralex | jelly: Yeah, im going to let it run overnight |
| 18:04.48 | Ace2016 | not with xfs |
| 18:05.02 | Ace2016 | xfs fsck is fast |
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| 18:05.21 | turneralex | jelly: Anyways mate, thanks for the heads up, im off to bed (3AM Japan Time) |
| 18:05.23 | turneralex | Cheers |
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| 18:05.42 | jeffwheeler | Is the ZFS license issue still stuck where it was two years ago? I used it on OS X the other day and it really is pretty cool. |
| 18:05.45 | jelly | s0n1: which generation DL 320? |
| 18:05.51 | Ace2016 | the japanese train systems looked good on tv, very accurate |
| 18:05.51 | s0n1 | G5 |
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| 18:05.55 | turneralex | Hahahahahaha |
| 18:05.57 | turneralex | shut me up |
| 18:05.59 | jelly | s0n1: SATA or SAS disks? |
| 18:06.02 | s0n1 | HP DL320 G5 |
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| 18:06.07 | s0n1 | Disk SATA |
| 18:06.08 | Ace2016 | are they really on time like that? |
| 18:06.28 | turneralex | s0n1: I'm pretty sure debian supports that, thats the 6i right? |
| 18:06.48 | jelly | turneralex: nah, SATA means some onboard intel crap |
| 18:06.59 | turneralex | Really? YUCK |
| 18:07.19 | jelly | turneralex: SAS disks = cciss driver (SmartArray C200 I think) |
| 18:07.21 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: IIRC there is a ZFS-on-fuse implementation |
| 18:07.31 | turneralex | jelly: Btw, I bought 2 fully loaded BL20P G3 enclosures for $100 so i must brag! |
| 18:07.35 | s0n1 | turneralex: yes... |
| 18:07.40 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: ah, yeah. Heh, that barely counts. ;) |
| 18:07.44 | jelly | turneralex: can I hate you? |
| 18:07.47 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: but progress. |
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| 18:07.52 | s0n1 | i download debian beta lenny and can't support too |
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| 18:08.06 | jelly | s0n1: lenny's 2.6.24 should work |
| 18:08.07 | turneralex | s0n1: Haha, auctions.yahoo.co.jp ;) |
| 18:08.28 | turneralex | jelly: If you want anything my AIM is russianboi2 and msn is turners1@gmail.com ciao |
| 18:09.19 | jelly | s0n1: first, I'm not sure that controller is really hw raid, it might be just bios fakeraid |
| 18:09.23 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: last benchmark of zfs-fuse I saw showed pretty big penalties for writes, but fast reads |
| 18:09.51 | jelly | s0n1: 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 images from "/msg dpkg kmuto" ought to boot that stuff |
| 18:09.54 | s0n1 | jelly: i create Raid 1 ; in bios, |
| 18:10.06 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: and you're supposed to have write caching turned off for safety |
| 18:10.17 | jelly | s0n1: can you boot a livecd and pastebin your "lspci -n"? |
| 18:10.25 | valdyn | s0n1: thats not telling us much at all, real raid controllers can create raids from bios too |
| 18:10.28 | s0n1 | i need netinstall witch suporte a raid1 |
| 18:10.35 | valdyn | s0n1: no |
| 18:10.39 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: I'm not a big fan of FUSE in general, so I've somewhat stayed away from the FUSE ZFS implementation. |
| 18:10.51 | mordy^ | sigh, i'm still struggling with this |
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| 18:11.08 | jelly | s0n1: if it were hardware raid, it would present a single device and things would "just work". |
| 18:11.13 | jeffwheeler | Is the sudo timer based on the time that you typed your password last, or the time that you last used sudo? |
| 18:11.18 | s0n1 | jelly: in install after i create raid 1 ; have two hd's Sata... and don't one ha sata |
| 18:11.31 | irule | I wnat to compile samba 3.2.0 and yould like to know how debians default samba was compiled, how may I get this info? |
| 18:11.36 | jelly | s0n1: if you see _two_ disks in lenny's installer, this probably means your controller is fakeraid |
| 18:11.38 | asg | jeffwheeler: man sudo ; /time |
| 18:11.52 | jeffwheeler | asg: ah, thanks |
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| 18:12.26 | irule | hi, I want to compile samba 3.2.0 and would like to know how debians default samba was compiled, how may please I get this info? thanks (fixed typos) |
| 18:12.31 | jelly | s0n1: and if your controller is fakeraid, I'd suggest disabling the bios raid and using Linux md raid instead |
| 18:12.37 | abrotman | irule: /msg dpkg source |
| 18:13.17 | bbs | i just switch back to deb |
| 18:13.19 | bbs | :D |
| 18:13.26 | asg | jeffwheeler: you could always verify by looking in /var/run/sudo to see if the timestamp is updated after running sudo |
| 18:13.28 | bbs | waits for clapping |
| 18:13.41 | s0n1 | jelly: this HP 320 G5 i install centOS create raid 1 via hardware (bios) and function perfect |
| 18:13.42 | asg | :clap bbs |
| 18:13.44 | asg | bah |
| 18:13.46 | asg | !clap bbs |
| 18:13.50 | bbs | lol |
| 18:13.57 | asg | the bot has been sanitized |
| 18:13.59 | bbs | i guess we are botless |
| 18:14.01 | asg | abrotman: you are to blame for this |
| 18:14.14 | s0n1 | but in debian in install have two hd's Sata for inicial install |
| 18:14.28 | jelly | s0n1: that doesn't mean much, it could be that centos just uses whatever fakeraid drivers are needed |
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| 18:14.54 | abrotman | !applaude asg |
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| 18:15.08 | abrotman | !applaud asg |
| 18:15.08 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, asg |
| 18:15.15 | jelly | !test |
| 18:15.15 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:15.19 | valdyn | dmesg |
| 18:15.20 | bbs | !bong |
| 18:15.21 | dpkg | i heard bong is like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
| 18:15.26 | bbs | hahahhahaha |
| 18:15.46 | irule | "A new upstream version is available: 3.2.0, you should consider packaging it." how may I get it? |
| 18:16.10 | cjae | is it possible that glxgears and glxinfo are not installed on my system as I have checked the /var/log/xorg and it seems to be good |
| 18:16.30 | Ace2016 | my bios has linux AHCI |
| 18:16.32 | wols | cjae: they're not installed by default. mesa-utils |
| 18:16.33 | abrotman | is mesa-utils installed ? |
| 18:16.40 | bbs | !pm-utils |
| 18:16.58 | Ace2016 | should i pick Linux AHCI or AHCI or IDE (i don't want to pick RAID) |
| 18:17.00 | bbs | !help |
| 18:17.05 | jelly | Ace2016: ahci. |
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| 18:17.08 | wols | Ace2016: ahci is fine |
| 18:17.15 | Ace2016 | what does linux AHCI do? |
| 18:17.27 | jelly | Ace2016: it makes things work! |
| 18:17.27 | wols | ask your bios maker |
| 18:17.28 | cjae | wols, aptitude install mesa-utils? |
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| 18:18.00 | alys | server irc.debian.org |
| 18:18.07 | bbs | !piglatin hello |
| 18:18.08 | dpkg | ellohay |
| 18:18.10 | jelly | Ace2016: those are various compatibilty options for older OSes that expect to find a classic ATA device |
| 18:18.25 | alys | part |
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| 18:18.36 | jelly | Ace2016: you want ahci, linux works best with it |
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| 18:18.56 | Ace2016 | jelly: but linux ahci or ahci is what i'm wondering about |
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| 18:19.17 | wols | Ace2016: we told you both already |
| 18:19.32 | Ace2016 | yes i know ahci, but why achi and not linux ahci? |
| 18:20.01 | wols | ask your BIOS maker. it'S their shitty software not ours. we also told you that before |
| 18:20.09 | wols | how should we know what your BIOS maker thinks? |
| 18:20.43 | Ace2016 | oh i thought linux ahci was a generic framework or something linux used |
| 18:21.41 | maligor | Ace2016, what mb is it? |
| 18:21.47 | Ace2016 | abit an-m2 |
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| 18:25.20 | jelly | one would expect that something labeled "linux" would be best to use with ... linux |
| 18:25.55 | irule | how may I install experimental packages on etch? |
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| 18:27.05 | sich | how can is fix this error? http://pastebin.com/m280c8aa5 gcc compiler is already installed |
| 18:27.05 | irule | I found this http://packages.debian.org/experimental/i386/samba/download |
| 18:27.33 | extor | What distro(s) is the knoppix 5.3 DVD live build made up of? I really like the KDE desktop special effects and wondered if I have debian etch installed if I can switch to KDE and get all those visual goodies? |
| 18:27.38 | valdyn | !b-e irule |
| 18:27.39 | dpkg | irule: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 18:27.44 | valdyn | ops |
| 18:27.49 | valdyn | !b-e sich |
| 18:27.49 | dpkg | sich: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 18:27.57 | Lagbolt | t l |
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| 18:28.03 | Lagbolt | oops wrong win |
| 18:28.04 | sich | ok |
| 18:28.14 | maligor | Ace2016, maybe it disables workarounds (buggy windows) :P |
| 18:28.19 | jelly | Ace2016: I have a BIOS that I can choose which operating system to configure for. There are various options like Linux, Solaris, SCO, Windows 2000/2003, OS/2, etc... any of those might work (and I've verified that linux works even with "windows 2003" selected) but we still configure the machines to "Linux" if it's going to be installed |
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| 18:29.17 | Ace2016 | ok i'll go with linux ahci |
| 18:29.22 | maligor | Ace2016, linux doesn't usually mind toggling between those settings |
| 18:29.27 | maligor | so you could benchmark both quite easily |
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| 18:30.01 | g00se | Any possible problems with Etch and this HD (current drive is ATA) http://tinyurl.com/6gz5ra ? |
| 18:30.31 | sich | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. ? |
| 18:30.35 | valdyn | g00se: why do you think that theres specific disks that dont work with linux? |
| 18:30.52 | jelly | g00se: it looks like any other ata disk |
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| 18:31.01 | Ace2016 | ok there is a problem, the installer just reboots |
| 18:31.12 | dieg | hi all |
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| 18:31.31 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 18:31.46 | g00se | valdyn: well i don't really. Just got burned with a SATA one, so now i'm nervous ;-) |
| 18:31.54 | sich | make install not worked !? |
| 18:31.59 | Eulex | g00se, usually, it's not the disk that might be the problem, but the disk controller chipset |
| 18:32.12 | g00se | Eulex: yes |
| 18:32.14 | valdyn | g00se: how could you have been burnt by a specific disk? you're probably confused |
| 18:32.27 | Ace2016 | wonder why it restarts, not letting me see the kernel output |
| 18:32.29 | dieg | isn't there a linux-image 2.6.25 with xen for amd64 in sid? |
| 18:32.41 | Eulex | g00se, that is, the problem you had with that computer which had that sata disk wasn't the disk, it was the sata chipset |
| 18:32.56 | Eulex | g00se, ... which is part of the motherboard and not the disk |
| 18:33.11 | valdyn | g00se: dont use ata, use sata, its better |
| 18:33.25 | sich | http://pastebin.com/m8b76bc |
| 18:33.27 | g00se | Eulex: yes, i know that really |
| 18:33.34 | valdyn | g00se: its just that ata chips are not made anymore, so linux chipset support can be somewhat complete |
| 18:33.43 | valdyn | g00se: but that doesnt mean its a reasonable choice |
| 18:33.57 | g00se | valdyn: no choice really, unless i get a sata card - not worth it |
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| 18:34.00 | Ace2016 | maybe i'll just leave it in ide |
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| 18:34.19 | valdyn | Ace2016: which installer are you using? |
| 18:34.24 | valdyn | g00se: true |
| 18:34.39 | Ace2016 | amd64 netinstaller beta2 |
| 18:34.50 | valdyn | Ace2016: well, what do you expect from a beta installer? |
| 18:34.55 | valdyn | Ace2016: that it works flawlessly? |
| 18:35.06 | valdyn | Ace2016: this is hardly related to your ahci setting |
| 18:35.11 | Ace2016 | oh common, just because its beta doesn't mean its broken |
| 18:35.19 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 18:35.19 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 18:35.20 | Ace2016 | it worked fine with the ide setting |
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| 18:35.38 | x3me | hi |
| 18:35.40 | g00se | Thanks folks! |
| 18:35.46 | Ace2016 | x3me: hi |
| 18:35.48 | valdyn | Ace2016: its slow |
| 18:35.51 | x3me | anyone has installed debian on HP Proliant DL 320 G5 with RAID via hardware ? |
| 18:35.58 | valdyn | Ace2016: thats the problem with the ide setting, probably |
| 18:36.00 | x3me | the RAID controller is an Intel ICH9R |
| 18:36.03 | extor | compiz-fusion , what a sexy window manager |
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| 18:36.20 | Ace2016 | ok fine i'll get the proper installer |
| 18:36.22 | valdyn | x3me: i have that controller |
| 18:36.32 | valdyn | x3me: probably needs a kmuto installer |
| 18:36.37 | Ace2016 | omg i screwed something up, now it just reboots even with ide :o |
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| 18:36.49 | x3me | valdyn, hmm, what is a "kmuto installed" ? |
| 18:36.54 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 18:36.54 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 18:37.03 | valdyn | x3me: he's a person, making installers |
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| 18:37.31 | valdyn | x3me: ich9r should be set to ahci in bios too |
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| 18:37.36 | x3me | valdyn, ah, ok... i have entered the site right now |
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| 18:37.52 | sich | any solve for this error? http://pastebin.com/m26a4d432 |
| 18:37.53 | valdyn | x3me: needs a 2.6.20+ kernel or somesuch, hence kmuto, because stock etch is 2.6.18 |
| 18:37.57 | dieg | msg dpkg xen |
| 18:38.06 | dieg | ups |
| 18:38.11 | x3me | valdyn, and what d-i did you recomend to download? |
| 18:38.14 | dieg | sorry |
| 18:38.22 | valdyn | x3me: no idea |
| 18:38.28 | deus___ | bye |
| 18:38.29 | valdyn | x3me: any |
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| 18:38.40 | valdyn | x3me: i guess kmuto still labels some as beta or whatever |
| 18:38.50 | valdyn | x3me: look for one thats tested |
| 18:39.10 | sich | ? |
| 18:39.16 | x3me | valdyn, the lastest is: etch-custom-0622.iso - kernel version 2.6.25 + Ubuntu firmware + WPA support |
| 18:39.30 | valdyn | x3me: thats as good as any |
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| 18:40.04 | valdyn | x3me: id go for an older one, just because it could have errata if there were any |
| 18:40.15 | valdyn | x3me: but really, doesnt matter much which you choose |
| 18:40.22 | x3me | valdyn, you have got an succesfull instalation with any of thats d-i ? |
| 18:40.27 | x3me | with that controller |
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| 18:40.36 | valdyn | x3me: i dont install |
| 18:40.40 | valdyn | x3me: i havent for years |
| 18:40.50 | x3me | ah ok |
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| 18:41.09 | x3me | valdyn, i will try to set the ahci on the bios |
| 18:41.09 | htmlol | hi guys |
| 18:41.12 | x3me | this test i did not try |
| 18:41.15 | thezapper | oi. any suggestion for a pci sata raid controller which runs smoothly on etch? |
| 18:41.26 | valdyn | thezapper: no |
| 18:41.28 | simonrvn | valdyn: you got crufty systems yet? ;) |
| 18:41.32 | valdyn | thezapper: thats not a good approach |
| 18:41.33 | htmlol | I'm trying to burn a bunch of wav files and make an audio CD, but k3b gives me the following error: |
| 18:41.37 | htmlol | HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4084N KQ09 (/dev/scd0, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM, DVD-R Sequential, DVD-RAM, DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite, DVD-RW Sequential, DVD+RW, DVD+R, DVD+R Dual Layer, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P, SAO/R96R, RAW/R16, RAW/R96P, RAW/R96R, Restricted Overwrite] |
| 18:41.47 | valdyn | simonrvn: crufty? |
| 18:41.56 | valdyn | simonrvn: i can change hardware w/o reinstall |
| 18:42.10 | valdyn | simonrvn: this ones as old as amd64 inofficial port is, roughly |
| 18:42.16 | valdyn | simonrvn: but the computer isnt |
| 18:42.18 | simonrvn | stray bits from installed packages, various homebrew scripts, various docs, etc. |
| 18:42.20 | htmlol | that's the debug info. The error k3b says is "IO Error. Most likely no space left on harddisk." but I have over 2GB free. |
| 18:42.30 | mordy^ | hello - i'll state this problem again: my box gets into framebuffer in middle of boot - changing the boot parameters, blacklisting radeonfb, renaming radeonfb.ko, using a different kernel, etc. have not yielded any fruit - any suggestions? i'm thinking that there's something in init.d or rc?.d that's forcing it to start, but i can't think of anything - any help? |
| 18:42.36 | valdyn | simonrvn: ah, probably, i try to clean that up |
| 18:42.50 | simonrvn | valdyn: of course. one of my installs has chnged machine like 4 times |
| 18:42.51 | htmlol | why isn't k3b letting me burn the disc? |
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| 18:43.17 | s0n1 | valdyn: in HP DL320 don't have option AHCI on the bios |
| 18:43.39 | s0n1 | i have the problem too |
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| 18:43.46 | s0n1 | i need raid 1 in DL 320 G5 |
| 18:43.47 | valdyn | s0n1: im not sure i talked to you about that |
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| 18:44.01 | valdyn | s0n1: i was talking to x3me |
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| 18:44.25 | s0n1 | valdyn: ok. |
| 18:44.32 | maligor | htmlol, are you a part of the cdrom oligarchy? |
| 18:44.33 | s0n1 | but don't have this option |
| 18:44.36 | simonrvn | mordy^: in the initrd, if any is present? some console setup tool, number of things. |
| 18:44.43 | Ace2016 | found it, i changed the USB keyboard support and USB mouse support to BIOS instead of OS, thats what caused it |
| 18:45.00 | valdyn | thezapper: you want a modern sata controller that supports ahci |
| 18:45.01 | x3me | valdyn, i try to find this option on the BIOS and on the RAID BIOS, does not exists |
| 18:45.35 | htmlol | maligor: what? |
| 18:45.35 | valdyn | thezapper: everything else from that point can be dealt with by using appropriate installers |
| 18:45.35 | maligor | htmlol, the cdrom group |
| 18:45.36 | htmlol | oh |
| 18:45.36 | maligor | htmlol, type ye groups in terminal |
| 18:45.36 | amphi | heh |
| 18:45.40 | valdyn | x3me: obviously i cant know about your bios |
| 18:45.45 | htmlol | yes, I am |
| 18:45.52 | valdyn | x3me: mine knows at least the modes RAID and AHCI |
| 18:45.52 | mordy^ | simonrvn = initrid is related to init.d and co.? |
| 18:46.00 | htmlol | I've burned audio cd's before just fine, that's why this is so weird. |
| 18:46.02 | valdyn | x3me: whatever difference that makes, ahci works fine |
| 18:46.11 | maligor | htmlol, option number two: where is it trying to store the temp image |
| 18:46.13 | simonrvn | mordy^: no, kernel |
| 18:46.21 | x3me | valdyn, on my BIOS I can only set RAID to "on" or "off" |
| 18:46.22 | simonrvn | !initrd |
| 18:46.22 | dpkg | [initrd] initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 18:46.24 | maligor | htmlol, like is it attempting to use /tmp |
| 18:46.33 | valdyn | x3me: maybe that is equivalent |
| 18:46.42 | htmlol | maligor: I don't know, let me see if I can find out... |
| 18:46.49 | valdyn | x3me: in one case at least you should see the ahci bios printout while booting up |
| 18:46.58 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 18:47.01 | maligor | htmlol, probably definable in the k3b options |
| 18:47.10 | mordy^ | simonrvn - then no - it's not in the intirid - and it's not a kernel issue |
| 18:47.18 | x3me | valdyn, but i need the hardware RAID, i dont understand of how deactivating the RAID will helps me |
| 18:47.27 | valdyn | x3me: there is no hardware raid on that hardware |
| 18:47.48 | s0n1 | ma qburro |
| 18:48.11 | x3me | valdyn, but I have created an RAID1 array on this hardware... |
| 18:48.20 | valdyn | x3me: geez |
| 18:48.22 | htmlol | maligor: thanks! that solved the problem. for some reason, it had the temp directory as /media/sda1/tmp/, which doesn't exist. |
| 18:48.27 | valdyn | x3me: thats not what defines hardware raid |
| 18:48.33 | htmlol | so I changed it to /tmp/ and it worked. :D |
| 18:48.43 | s0n1 | HP DL320 G5 suport RAID 1+0 in your bios |
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| 18:48.51 | valdyn | x3me: you have a bios that can be used to create such a "raid", thats not hardware raid |
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| 18:49.20 | mordy^ | let me ask the question differently- can it still be a kernel issue if the problem occurs on two different kernels? |
| 18:49.21 | valdyn | x3me: disable raid, use md raid from the debian installer. |
| 18:49.21 | x3me | valdyn, ok. So, setting this RAID to "off" or enabling AHCI to "on" I can create my array at the same way ? |
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| 18:49.43 | valdyn | x3me: no, not the same way, but from the debian installer |
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| 18:49.49 | x3me | valdyn, i dont want to make software raid... |
| 18:49.55 | valdyn | x3me: ok, again |
| 18:50.00 | valdyn | x3me: you dont have hardware raid |
| 18:50.22 | valdyn | x3me: yes, your bios supports creating the inferior software raid from within itself, thats nothing great |
| 18:50.24 | \amethyst | x3me: the question as I understand it is whether you use Intel's software RAID or Linux's |
| 18:50.33 | maligor | htmlol, I'm not sure /tmp is a very good place to put large images |
| 18:50.46 | maligor | htmlol, but it depends on the fs configuration you're using |
| 18:50.52 | htmlol | maligor: where would you suggest the temporary directory being? |
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| 18:51.07 | maligor | maybe /home/user/tmp or something |
| 18:51.09 | htmlol | oh, I have everything lumped on one partition, not separate ones |
| 18:51.21 | htmlol | if that's what you're thinking of |
| 18:51.22 | valdyn | x3me: you *could* use the "intel software raid" from debian, but that is stupid, its not as good as md raid |
| 18:51.45 | valdyn | ( and its probably not even supported by the installer, i dont know that ) |
| 18:52.22 | x3me | valdyn, ok. So here is an example: If one of my hard drivers fails, I want to turn off my machine, remove this hard drive and turns on the machine. In this case, the other hard drive will boot normally ? |
| 18:52.34 | valdyn | x3me: yes |
| 18:52.45 | x3me | and when I replace the hard drive who faills, the array will be rebuilded automatically ? |
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| 18:52.54 | valdyn | x3me: no |
| 18:53.19 | x3me | valdyn, so this situation only works on a real hardware RAID? |
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| 18:53.44 | valdyn | x3me: you have to run something like "mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdc2" |
| 18:54.03 | x3me | valdyn, and about hot-swap hard drives ? |
| 18:54.15 | valdyn | x3me: ahci driver supports hotswap |
| 18:54.44 | x3me | valdyn, so, with the machine "on" I remove one of the hard drives, still working ? |
| 18:54.58 | valdyn | x3me: yes |
| 18:55.00 | s0n1 | http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2007/07/13/hp-dl320-g5/ |
| 18:55.06 | valdyn | x3me: thats not what hotswap is though |
| 18:55.22 | valdyn | x3me: i can unplug even ata drivers and the array might keep working |
| 18:55.29 | valdyn | x3me: i can unplug even ata drives and the array might keep working |
| 18:55.43 | x3me | valdyn, and when I put it back? |
| 18:55.56 | x3me | still working or I need to rebuild the array ? |
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| 18:56.10 | valdyn | x3me: you need to readd that device |
| 18:56.15 | x3me | ok |
| 18:56.29 | valdyn | x3me: well, its a little more than that actually, failed devices need to be removed first, then readded, all via command lin |
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| 18:57.06 | x3me | valdyn, so, to boot the 2 hard drives I need to install boot loader on both, right? |
| 18:57.14 | valdyn | x3me: yes |
| 18:57.39 | x3me | valdyn, on the debian installer I can do this or only after the system boots at the first time? |
| 18:57.44 | pickcoder | is anyone here on a Deltacom pipe? |
| 18:58.05 | valdyn | x3me: no idea how the installer does it |
| 18:58.30 | x3me | valdyn, and manually? Only boots and make something like : grub-install /dev/sdb ? |
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| 18:59.13 | Ace2016 | finally i have a chance to see how good encrypted software raid is |
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| 19:00.58 | Eitan | jelly: are you there? |
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| 19:04.03 | Eitan | what is the command to find files in a directory and recursing subdirs? |
| 19:05.07 | simonrvn | unamazingly, 'find' |
| 19:05.32 | Eitan | simonrvn: can you be more specific... find filename is not working |
| 19:05.46 | Ace2016 | locate filename |
| 19:06.09 | simonrvn | man find is as specific as i need to be |
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| 19:06.26 | Nyle | simonrvn, howdy |
| 19:06.42 | simonrvn | tip: find $path $arguments; the rest should be easy |
| 19:06.43 | Eitan | ace2016: locatedb doesn't exist... it hasn't made a list of the files... I need a command that will actually do the looking real time... not access some file index |
| 19:06.50 | simonrvn | Nyle: hi |
| 19:06.54 | Ace2016 | sudo updatedb |
| 19:06.57 | Ace2016 | or updatedb as root |
| 19:06.59 | Nyle | Eitan, find? |
| 19:07.02 | Eitan | simonrvn: man find was not helpful |
| 19:07.09 | Eitan | nyle: no... find didn't work. |
| 19:07.09 | Ace2016 | well update the index and search |
| 19:07.10 | Nyle | find is what you're looking for |
| 19:07.22 | simonrvn | .:15:06:42:. < simonrvn> tip: find $path $arguments; the rest should be easy |
| 19:07.33 | Nyle | Ace2016, he doesn't want that |
| 19:07.38 | Nyle | he wants real time searching |
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| 19:07.58 | Nyle | not to query an index of stuff |
| 19:08.11 | Eitan | look guys... I just restored a bad debian drive... and there is a huge lost+found directory where all the directory names are in the form of #23452536 .... I am running of a debian live-cd.... I am just looking for a particular file among all the lost and founds... how do I do that? |
| 19:08.11 | Nyle | so use find.. to find stuff |
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| 19:08.48 | Ace2016 | find /home .mp3 works fine |
| 19:09.12 | Ace2016 | run search within files from konqueror |
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| 19:10.00 | simonrvn | Eitan: find is not going to help there |
| 19:10.02 | Eitan | ace2016: when I specify the lost+found directory, find just lists all of the files in the directory. |
| 19:10.13 | amphi | Eitan: grep? |
| 19:10.23 | Eitan | simonrvn: that's what I thought.... so... now what? |
| 19:10.41 | simonrvn | Eitan: you're looking through the *contents*? use grep. file name or other external attributes, find. |
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| 19:10.50 | Eitan | amphi: ... let's say I am looking for a file in the lost+found directory called "inbox" ... what command do I use? |
| 19:11.10 | simonrvn | you won't find it, they'll *all* be named #foo |
| 19:11.44 | Eitan | simonrvn: there are about 10000 directories in lost+found... there's got to be a linux command to search all of the directories in lost+found to find a specific file. |
| 19:11.49 | amphi | Eitan: you'll have to grep the files for some text you think unique to that file |
| 19:12.02 | amphi | recursive grep |
| 19:12.09 | Eitan | amphi: I am not looking for text... I am looking for a file of a specific name |
| 19:12.15 | proq | what repos do I add to my sources.list file to be able to download *all* available packages on lenny? |
| 19:12.17 | simonrvn | there is, we just told you. |
| 19:12.33 | Eitan | simonrvn: and I just tried it, and it doesn't work |
| 19:12.34 | amphi | Eitan: wtf? |
| 19:12.50 | Ace2016 | the files have lost their names |
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| 19:13.06 | simonrvn | Eitan: YOU WON'T FIND IT |
| 19:13.11 | Eitan | ace2016: no... the directories have lost their names... the files still have their names. |
| 19:13.21 | Ace2016 | then find will find them |
| 19:13.22 | amphi | Eitan: in that case, use find |
| 19:13.30 | Eitan | amphi: I did. It doesn't work. |
| 19:13.39 | Ace2016 | then the file is no there |
| 19:13.49 | Ace2016 | test with a file to see if the command is working |
| 19:13.52 | Eitan | debian:/mnt/lost+found# find inbox |
| 19:13.52 | Eitan | find: inbox: No such file or directory |
| 19:13.53 | amphi | then it's not there, or you did the command incorrectly |
| 19:13.57 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:13.58 | Ace2016 | test with a file that is there to see if its working |
| 19:14.01 | amphi | Eitan: d'oh |
| 19:14.14 | simonrvn | ffs, *plonk* |
| 19:14.23 | Eitan | I know there is a file named "copyright" in the lost+found directory... watch: |
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| 19:14.36 | Eitan | debian:/mnt/lost+found# find copyright |
| 19:14.36 | Eitan | find: copyright: No such file or directory |
| 19:14.37 | Ace2016 | find /mnt/lost+found inbox |
| 19:14.41 | amphi | haha |
| 19:14.45 | Ace2016 | thats what you need |
| 19:14.45 | pickcoder | or find . inbox |
| 19:14.51 | pickcoder | for CWD |
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| 19:15.13 | jacekowski | hi, i need to resize partition |
| 19:15.15 | pickcoder | gee.. doesn't the manpage state that a few hundred times in examples... |
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| 19:15.23 | jacekowski | i remounted it read-only |
| 19:15.28 | Eitan | ace2016: sorry to say that that command just lists ALL the files in the lost+found directory... not just the ones called "inbox" |
| 19:15.28 | simonrvn | .:15:07:21:. < simonrvn> .:15:06:42:. < simonrvn> tip: find $path $arguments; the rest should be easy |
| 19:15.31 | jacekowski | and parted doesn't want to touch it |
| 19:15.34 | jacekowski | any ideas? |
| 19:15.43 | simonrvn | for the 2rd time... |
| 19:16.00 | simonrvn | nd* |
| 19:16.02 | Ace2016 | find /mnt/lost+found |grep inbox |
| 19:16.04 | soulchild | Hi all,... what is a good video plugin for firefox 3 ? |
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| 19:16.39 | rsk | soulchild: mplayerplug-in |
| 19:16.46 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 19:16.49 | soulchild | rsk: but it does not work with firefox3 |
| 19:16.52 | simonrvn | useless use of grep |
| 19:17.04 | rsk | soulchild: it does for me |
| 19:17.05 | rsk | :) |
| 19:17.06 | Ace2016 | i know but it works |
| 19:17.12 | soulchild | rsk: firefox 3 ? |
| 19:17.19 | bbs | is there a way to remove all of these stupid xorg drivers |
| 19:17.24 | rsk | yes |
| 19:17.26 | soulchild | rsk: did you compile it ? |
| 19:17.33 | bbs | i don't need them because i only have an intel chipset |
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| 19:17.48 | soulchild | rsk: because i get: wonÄt be installed beacuse there are no secure updates for the plugin |
| 19:17.57 | rsk | no installed from repos in unstablwe |
| 19:18.11 | soulchild | rsk for iceweasel or firefox |
| 19:18.14 | bbs | rsk: iceweasel? is broken atm |
| 19:18.24 | bbs | in unstable |
| 19:18.34 | Eitan | ace2016: that worked |
| 19:18.58 | rsk | yea weasel but it works for me.. |
| 19:19.19 | Ace2016 | soulchild: hey i figured it out, find /home -name *mp3* |
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| 19:19.45 | simonrvn | find $path -iname '*.mp3' |
| 19:19.57 | amphi | Ace2016: you might want to protect the '*'s from the shell |
| 19:19.59 | soulchild | Ace2016: ??? |
| 19:20.11 | x3me | valdyn, hi.. i have booted my debian with /dev/md0 and make grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 19:20.23 | x3me | after, i turn off my machine, removes the /dev/sda and turns on |
| 19:20.29 | x3me | GRUB hard disk error appears |
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| 19:20.43 | x3me | where is my mistake? |
| 19:20.43 | Ace2016 | amphi: how do you protect *? |
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| 19:20.58 | amphi | Ace2016: as simonrvn already told you |
| 19:22.43 | Ace2016 | so like this? find /home -name \*mp3\* |
| 19:23.27 | Ace2016 | x3me: boot a livecd, install grub, tell it where the boot partition is on one of the drives, it can't work from the raid, and it has to be raid1 |
| 19:23.29 | amphi | single-quoting is more conventional - why the trailing '*', BTW? |
| 19:23.30 | simonrvn | simonrvn> find $path -iname '*.mp3' |
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| 19:23.58 | milligan_ | Still having problems with sound on flash videos (i.e youtube), on debian lenny. 2.6.24-1-686. Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124. I've tried reinstalling/restarting alsa. Sound works fine in mediaplayers. I've installed the mozilla-plugin. I've tried fiddeling with iceweaselrc, and setting it to none or auto. still no sound. Any ideas? |
| 19:24.05 | Ace2016 | because i didn't want to find mp3 files, i just wanted to find all files with mp3 in the name |
| 19:24.29 | Ace2016 | milligan_: tried opera/ |
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| 19:24.43 | Ace2016 | see if its a flash issue or browser issue |
| 19:25.04 | x3me | Ace2016, and when I replace the disk? I need to remake the array? |
| 19:25.25 | milligan_ | Ace2016, same problem in epiphany |
| 19:25.45 | simonrvn | something occupying the device? |
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| 19:26.07 | milligan_ | how would I check ? |
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| 19:27.15 | Ace2016 | no just reinstall grub and tell it where one of the raid1 paritions making up /boot is, say /boot is made of the primary partitions /sda1 and /sdb1 and /sdc1 in raid1, tell it to use /sda1 as the partition to use, if the drive fails you'll have to reinstall grub because the mbr isn't on any of the other drives |
| 19:27.39 | simonrvn | !lsof |
| 19:27.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 19:27.41 | Ace2016 | milligan_: just a hunch but try killall -9 artsd, that'll stop kde using the sound system letting alsa through |
| 19:28.10 | Ace2016 | man i love these linux tools |
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| 19:29.22 | milligan_ | ace2001ac, I use gnome |
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| 19:30.20 | x3me | Ace2016, I'm not using the /boot partition, I have to create /boot on all the hard drives and point grub to there? |
| 19:30.40 | x3me | and that /boot needs to be out of the array ? |
| 19:30.55 | mordy | eureka! |
| 19:31.05 | nkuttler | milligan_: turn off esd |
| 19:31.10 | mordy | jumps naked into the street |
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| 19:31.55 | milligan_ | nkuttler, how ? |
| 19:31.56 | Ace2016 | you have to create a partition about 1GB in size on all the drives and put it in raid1, i do it at the very start of the drives so sda1, sdb1 and sdc1 are /boot |
| 19:32.19 | nkuttler | milligan_: no idea. google it. click through that gnome config tool.. |
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| 19:32.57 | buntfalke | acpid still uses proc/acpi/events - how to switch to the new interface? |
| 19:33.48 | Ace2016 | x3me: /boot needs its own raid array, its own raid1 array made up of primary partitions or else you'll be unable to boot if the hard drive fails |
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| 19:34.47 | x3me | Ace2016, so my /boot will be /dev/md0 and my / will be /dev/md1 |
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| 19:34.49 | x3me | right? |
| 19:35.14 | Ace2016 | yup |
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| 19:35.40 | x3me | ok |
| 19:35.42 | newsense | 33+ |
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| 19:35.52 | Ace2016 | newsense: ? |
| 19:36.00 | LaRi_Br | hi |
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| 19:36.27 | x3me | Ace2016, so, my primary drive is /dev/sda and my secondary is /dev/sdb. If I remove /dev/sda and do nothing on grub, my system will crash or grub will know on what drive it will try to boot? |
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| 19:37.36 | milligan_ | nkuttler, urk .. seems like oss is running for some reason. does that mean I need to recompile a kernel or something ? |
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| 19:38.00 | nkuttler | milligan_: what makes you think oss is running? |
| 19:38.11 | Ace2016 | if you have /boot on sda1 and sdb1 in raid1, then on the first install grub will use /dev/sda1 as /boot and install to the mbr of sda, but if sda fails you can reinstall grub to the mbr of sdb and then use sdb1 as /boot to start the system |
| 19:38.13 | amphi | milligan_: it's not the alsa oss emulation? |
| 19:38.16 | milligan_ | nkuttler, because testing sound using oss works, and testing it using alsa doesn't. |
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| 19:38.48 | milligan_ | amphi, it could be ... |
| 19:38.56 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, i'm getting a message saying "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension" how do I remedy this? |
| 19:39.03 | Julouste | Why cant I chroot into a filesystem without /bin/bash ? |
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| 19:39.35 | nkuttler | Julouste: why should chroot care about some random shell? |
| 19:39.36 | x3me | Ace2016, great ;) only a last question: If on my first boot with /dev/sda1 on /boot, and make grub-install /dev/sdb, at the moment I remove /dev/sda, my system will be boot normally or at the same I need to change grub ? |
| 19:39.40 | nkuttler | milligan_: how do you test? |
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| 19:39.57 | x3me | s/and make/I make/g |
| 19:40.00 | milligan_ | nkuttler, System - Preferences - Sound |
| 19:40.20 | mordy | quick question: when installing debian from a usb disk -does the disk have to be formatted as fat16 (if i'm using fat) or is fat32 ok too? |
| 19:40.23 | milligan_ | nkuttler, if I chose alsa as the device there, it threw an error. The only one it worked on was the OSS option. |
| 19:40.27 | abrotman | Heavy-D: install php5-mysql |
| 19:40.33 | nkuttler | milligan_: what error? |
| 19:40.57 | milligan_ | nkuttler, audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Could not open audio device for playback. |
| 19:40.58 | Julouste | nkuttler: I get the error "cannot run command /bin/bash : no such file or direcotry" |
| 19:41.12 | nkuttler | milligan_: lsmod | grep oss, paste that somewhere |
| 19:41.14 | dieg | hello, how can I install xen in unstable in an amd64 system? it looks like there isn't 2.6.25-xen-amd64 image. Thanks |
| 19:41.16 | Julouste | nkuttler: but I can chroot into my own root |
| 19:41.28 | Heavy-D | abrotman: It already is installed and the latest version :S Do I need to do something to activate it? |
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| 19:41.51 | milligan_ | nkuttler, http://xna.multigan.com/pastebin/?page=view&id=1216410191 |
| 19:41.57 | nkuttler | Julouste: does the chroot have any shell at all? |
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| 19:42.08 | Ace2016 | x3me: no, unless you tell bios to boot from the second hard drive and install grub to the mbr of the second had drive and also tell it to use /dev/sda1, if sda has been removed then sdb will become sda so i'm not completely sure what will happen, you might have to reinstall grub or sdb1 will effectively be sda1 so grub will use that, test it and see before you continue with the whole install and configuration |
| 19:42.21 | nkuttler | milligan_: that's alsa. find someone who uses gnome :/ |
| 19:42.21 | Ace2016 | grub reinstall should work because you have /boot |
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| 19:43.11 | Julouste | nkuttler: it's an empty, mounted ext3 filesytem |
| 19:43.35 | nkuttler | Julouste: um, what do you expect with an empty /? |
| 19:44.22 | milligan_ | nkuttler, what would you recon the problem is? Alsa or flash ? |
| 19:44.52 | nkuttler | milligan_: flash works just fine for me with alsa. i'd guess esd. |
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| 19:45.46 | milligan_ | hmz.. no way I can stop that server? I certainly can't remember installing it. |
| 19:45.56 | Heavy-D | darn. The whole ... remove and then re-install php5-mysql trick didnt work :( |
| 19:46.03 | Heavy-D | anybody have any other ideas? |
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| 19:46.17 | nkuttler | Heavy-D: restart apache? |
| 19:47.05 | Heavy-D | throws confetti in the air and watches the fireworks go off for nkuttler, and marvels in his own ignorance. |
| 19:47.16 | abrotman | Heavy-D: check the php.ini file to make sure it's enabled |
| 19:47.32 | Heavy-D | nkuttler: That did it. Thanks guys |
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| 19:48.36 | Daemonik | When attempting to NFS-boot Debian the kernel will print "nfs: server <IP address> not responding, still trying" then eventually print "nfs: server 10.1.1.182 OK" several times then print the two several times then eventually boot. Why? |
| 19:50.59 | phoul | !flash |
| 19:50.59 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 19:53.12 | Ace2016 | anyone running raiser 4 yet? |
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| 19:54.12 | phoul | Anyone here willing to walk me through this instruction... i dont quite understand how to add unstable to my sources ONLY for flashplugin |
| 19:59.11 | mordy | how do i add an iso to my usb installation disk? the installer boots from the disk and says it can't find the iso - although it's on that vey same partition as the installer - i also renamed it to a ms-dos compatible filename- but it still won't detect it - any sufggestiions/ |
| 20:00.36 | phoul | Can anyone give me a hand with the flash thing... i'm not sure how to do it properly.... |
| 20:00.56 | Ace2016 | Does anyone here use raiser4? |
| 20:01.09 | Daemonik | In what packages would I find lh_config and lh_build? |
| 20:01.14 | Ace2016 | reiser4* |
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| 20:02.04 | blubberdiblub | !anyone |
| 20:02.05 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 20:02.23 | Ace2016 | i just wanted to know if it was uable as a filesystem |
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| 20:02.53 | clip9 | Ace2016: you need to make a -mm kernel. |
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| 20:04.12 | mirror_man | HI. Does anyone know of a nice graphical LAN chat program? |
| 20:04.42 | jacekowski | lanchat |
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| 20:04.59 | jacekowski | should work in wine |
| 20:05.17 | biatche | I wish to replace all occurences of AA BB CC with DD EE FF in *.html . How do I do this? I'm green to regex.. and im notquite sure what i should use to run through the files |
| 20:05.23 | mordy | mirror_man, why can't you just scream? |
| 20:05.26 | Ace2016 | how can i do that? i'm installing lenny as a way to get to sid now so how exactly can i get a new kernel in place for the install to work? |
| 20:05.32 | mirror_man | jacekowski, thanks. |
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| 20:05.59 | mirror_man | mordy, It's for use with a complete PC novice. |
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| 20:06.14 | Ace2016 | -mm as in the -mm patchset? |
| 20:06.19 | mirror_man | is scream suitable for that? |
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| 20:07.06 | mordy | depends what he's accustomed to. i was just kidding though. i'd be surprised if there was an actual lanchat program called "scream" |
| 20:07.23 | mirror_man | mordy, lol. |
| 20:07.50 | mordy | mirror_man, in terms of program names - in respect to GNU, anything is possible |
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| 20:08.19 | mirror_man | mordy, Yea, I would think so. |
| 20:08.45 | r00txc | hi all |
| 20:09.06 | mordy | anyone have any experience installing debian from an iso located on a usb HD? when i try to install, it works until it scans for an iso, and says it can't find any |
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| 20:11.10 | mordy | sighs |
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| 20:11.24 | stew | mordy: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 20:11.24 | Ace2016 | i just realised something |
| 20:11.59 | stew | mordy: what is the name of the iso on the usb drive? |
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| 20:12.04 | Ace2016 | i created a swap space on an encrypted parition for the purpose of resume :( damn i didn't think that through |
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| 20:13.08 | mordy | stew - originally the name was the name from debian.org - it was part of the cd set.. blah blah.. i386 blah .iso |
| 20:13.30 | mordy | i thought there may be a problem with the naming convention, although the partiton is fat 32 so i changed it to 1.iso |
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| 20:14.48 | mordy | hmm... dpkg doesn't say anything about copying an iso to the stuck |
| 20:14.49 | mordy | stick |
| 20:15.02 | stew | mordy: hmm, i'm not sure if it works with isos that aren't netinst or businesscard. but it might |
| 20:15.12 | stew | mordy: it definately should be named the same as it was when you downloaded it |
| 20:15.19 | mordy | stew - according to debian documentation it works |
| 20:16.09 | mordy | stew - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 20:16.38 | mordy | i'll try downloading a netinst image and see what happens though |
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| 20:17.26 | danielvrf | good night :) |
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| 20:18.41 | stew | mordy: the .iso should also be the same version of the installer as the hd-media that you are using |
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| 20:19.14 | mordy | stew - hmm.. maybe i should check again - although i'm pretty positive it's the same version. |
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| 20:21.13 | Julouste | If I create a symbolic link in a filesystem (with pwd=/ ) pointing to "/foobar" will it be interpreted differently from a symbolic link pointing to "foobar" when the filesystem is mounted under another filesystem? |
| 20:21.15 | n1kt0 | !apt |
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| 20:21.15 | dpkg | i heard apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 20:21.22 | mordy | nope. it can't find it. is it possible that it's not mounting its own partition? |
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| 20:22.01 | n1kt0 | pls give official links repozitory for the 4.0 testing |
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| 20:23.12 | testi | I have a netbios name, I want to resolve it's IP address. How can I do that? |
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| 20:24.25 | n1kt0 | nbtstat -A ip -n? |
| 20:25.02 | stew | n1kt0: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:25.09 | stew | n1kt0: but 4.0 isn't testing, 4.0 is stable |
| 20:25.22 | kenjy | ok guys I have here an interesting problem, I was working in my PC, using gnome, I have hda1 for /, hda5 for swap and hda6 for /home, after a reboot I can't be loged in because my hda6 partition dose not exist, so I checked with fdisk and there is not, I only have hda1, there is not swap and /home, if I use fdisk I get this message: Warning: ignoring extra data in partition table 5 |
| 20:25.22 | kenjy | Warning: invalid flag 0x4947 of partition table 5 will be corrected by w(rite) can you help me please guys? |
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| 20:26.40 | n1kt0 | <stew> how can I update 4.0 to testing ? |
| 20:26.59 | n1kt0 | <stew> i'm installed debian to desctop |
| 20:27.13 | n1kt0 | *desktop |
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| 20:28.18 | mordy | how do i find things in busybox? i'm trying to see if i can find the .iso on the installation filesystem - is it possible that the installer isn't mounting the partition? |
| 20:28.26 | mordy | *sigh* |
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| 20:28.52 | n1kt0 | <mordy> gm ? |
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| 20:29.12 | mordy | gm? what do you mean? |
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| 20:29.25 | n1kt0 | <mordy> can I do it? |
| 20:29.27 | elvedin | find . -name "CVS" -type d -exec rm -rf \; would delete all CVS dirs in cwd's tree? |
| 20:29.47 | n1kt0 | <mordy> gm? --it's russian word) |
| 20:30.11 | mordy | oh, i don't speak russian :p i'm not an expert - i probably knwo less than you |
| 20:30.35 | n1kt0 | ) |
| 20:30.38 | mordy | i only know privet |
| 20:31.02 | n1kt0 | <mordy> it's good |
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| 20:31.15 | mordy | hehe, and kharasho |
| 20:31.26 | mordy | and a few curses, of course |
| 20:31.47 | n1kt0 | <mordy> i'm not also the expert in the english language :P |
| 20:31.48 | TheMadHat- | will a dell xps m1330 work fine with debian without having an driver issues? |
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| 20:32.27 | mordy | hehe, no need to know good english - it's more important to read :) |
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| 20:32.45 | biatche | I wish to replace all occurences of AA BB CC with DD EE FF in *.html . How do I do this? I'm green to regex.. and im notquite sure what i should use to run through the files.. I've came up with sed 's/AA BB CC/DD EE FF/' .... but I do not know how to make the appropirate change to each file with the occurance... and oh, is my sed format correct? |
| 20:32.47 | mordy | 25% of the people in this country are russians though - you hear it on the streets all the time |
| 20:33.06 | n1kt0 | <mordy> heh |
| 20:33.36 | n1kt0 | <mordy> =) |
| 20:34.25 | mordy | hehe, my ancestors lived in eastern europe - but not russia: lithuania, poland, hungary, ukraine |
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| 20:34.48 | kenjy | can you help me please? =) |
| 20:35.16 | n1kt0 | i'm going to revers-ingineering in the win32 :P |
| 20:35.18 | mordy | kenjy, i probably don't know enough to help |
| 20:35.24 | mordy | hehe |
| 20:35.32 | kenjy | mordy tnks jeje |
| 20:35.36 | mordy | reverse engineering is fun.. when nothing goes wrong |
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| 20:37.08 | stew | biatche: you probably want "s/AA BB CC/DD EE FF/g' not just 's/AA BB CC/DD EE FF/' (in case "AA BB CC" appears more than once on a line). you can do this in each html file with "sed -i 's/AA BB CC/DD EE FF/g' *html" |
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| 20:38.21 | mordy | hopw can i find things in busybox? doing find / -iname "blah" doesn't work - |
| 20:38.23 | biatche | ok thanks, ive been showed various ways |
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| 20:39.07 | biatche | stew: ive been told to use " find . -name "*.html" -exec sed -i 's/AA BB CC/DD EE FF/' {} \; " ... is this better? |
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| 20:39.55 | Gryflhase | strange.... I'm recording a mpeg-stream from my tv-box with cat /dev/video0 >somewhereonmyharddisc after a 2nd try it gave an error like, the resource video0 is use by another programm.... but it's really strange, that I don't see the task with cat in ps -AL.... |
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| 20:40.24 | mordy | gah |
| 20:40.35 | biatche | so without appending that /"g" it would only make changes to the first occurence is it? |
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| 20:42.02 | stew | biatche: that's what you would need if there are subdirectories containing html files, if they are all in the same directory, mine is better |
| 20:42.40 | biatche | there are subdirs |
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| 20:43.19 | stew | biatche: yes, without g, if you had a file that contained the line "AA BB CC XX AA BB CC", it would be replaced with "DD EE FF XX AA BB CC" instead of "DD EE FF XX DD EE FF" |
| 20:43.35 | biatche | understood |
| 20:43.39 | biatche | thanks for the clear explanation |
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| 20:45.11 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:45.32 | Posterdati | how can I install java plugin on iceweasel (debian amd64)??? |
| 20:45.33 | kenjy | can some one help me please? =) |
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| 20:48.38 | stew | Posterdati: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:48.42 | wols | Posterdati: via nspluginwrapper (must use a 32bit java) |
| 20:48.54 | Posterdati | stew: lenny |
| 20:49.13 | n3kl | kenjy: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 20:49.25 | stew | Posterdati: "aptitude install gcjwebplugin" |
| 20:49.41 | Posterdati | stew: tx and for flash= |
| 20:49.42 | Posterdati | ? |
| 20:49.45 | stew | Posterdati: if you need the sun java plugon then you need nspluginwrapper |
| 20:49.55 | stew | Posterdati: aptitude install gnash |
| 20:50.13 | stew | Posterdati: if you need adobe's flash player you'd need nspluginwrapper |
| 20:50.31 | kenjy | n3kl: http://rafb.net/p/N6LmqU58.html |
| 20:51.18 | stew | interesting, there is a icedtea-gcjwebplugin for amd64 in sid now |
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| 20:52.57 | solid_liq | anyone know where I can get a repo for opera (sid) |
| 20:53.06 | n3kl | kenjy: your partition table got fscked. What did you do? |
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| 20:53.25 | ttyS1 | I'm trying to patch a debian package but when I run debuild I get the fatal error: gpg: skipped "Jon Watson <me@jonwatson.ca>": secret key not available "gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available" |
| 20:53.27 | moprilo | hi, I have telnet working on root, but i just created a new user, and if i try to run telnet, I get permission denied. why is that_? |
| 20:53.38 | kenjy | n3kl: honestly I don't know xD any way to fix it or I need to re-create the partition table? |
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| 20:54.20 | n3kl | kenjy: found this. still reading through it to see if it would help you though... http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Partition/#recovering |
| 20:54.31 | kenjy | tnks n3kl |
| 20:54.56 | n3kl | kenjy: I don't think that will help you now though |
| 20:55.41 | kenjy | n3kl: So I need to recover the partition table by hand with fdisk (its not a problem I can use rsync to backup the file system) |
| 20:56.11 | stew | ttyS1: add the -us -uc to the dpkg-buildpacakge options section |
| 20:56.24 | n3kl | kenjy: at this point though, you can't get to /home, so if you fsck this now, you could loose everythign. I would rsync anyway before you do anything |
| 20:56.41 | n3kl | kenjy: er, not necessarily rsync, just backup somehow |
| 20:57.04 | stew | ttyS1: but note that by the time you are signign the changes/dsc files, the build has pretty much already succeeded |
| 20:57.34 | n3kl | kenjy: there is a tool gparted I think that people have used. Its got a recovery mode iirc |
| 20:57.47 | n3kl | kenjy: maybe its just called gpart |
| 20:57.49 | abrotman | solid_liq: opera.com .. /msg dpkg opera apt |
| 20:57.55 | ttyS1 | stew: I've been having trouble with that package so I figure that may have caused a problem |
| 20:57.59 | kenjy | n3kl: oks |
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| 20:58.53 | Posterdati | stew: ok done! Thanks |
| 20:59.03 | donspaulding | anyone in here know how I can set a password on the web interface of ntop? or at least require people to enter the admin password before they see all my network traffic? |
| 20:59.16 | jacekowski | in setup |
| 20:59.25 | jacekowski | last page |
| 20:59.31 | jacekowski | password protection |
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| 21:00.25 | ttyS1 | stew: I'm just using debuild is it a different option for that ? |
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| 21:02.11 | Sebby | hi i`m running sendmail and i need to configure it |
| 21:02.22 | Sebby | were are by default the configs |
| 21:02.27 | donspaulding | jacekowski: awesome, thanks. |
| 21:02.29 | Sebby | this is the version |
| 21:02.32 | Sebby | 220 debian ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3 |
| 21:02.37 | Juul | hi.I have a server which i can only control remotely (over ssh), plus I have the ability to reboot it. The server recently crashed, and now I can only boot it using netboot and a rescue-linux. In /var/log/messages the last thing it prints before stalling is this: |
| 21:02.38 | pickcoder | sends Sebby the batbook |
| 21:02.39 | Juul | Jul 18 20:55:16 grafiki kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
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| 21:02.48 | Juul | any idea how to begin debugging this problem? |
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| 21:03.11 | Sebby | pickcoder ? |
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| 21:03.50 | pickcoder | It's a phone-book size manual for Sendmail that's been around for ages |
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| 21:04.04 | famicom | beep |
| 21:04.18 | mordy | how do i search for things in busybox? |
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| 21:04.22 | famicom | Why doesn't the etch installer detect my cdrom drive |
| 21:04.23 | Sebby | but i need only the path to the configs not the manual |
| 21:04.24 | famicom | i mean |
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| 21:04.37 | famicom | what the fuck did i just load the goddamn installer from |
| 21:05.01 | mordy | famicom - i'm having a similar problem wiht my usb - i don't think it mounts it |
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| 21:05.14 | famicom | damn |
| 21:05.19 | v1k1ng0 | hello |
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| 21:05.28 | famicom | well, i dont feel like booting from gaybuntu |
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| 21:05.32 | v1k1ng0 | how can I configure that my audio output was digital output? |
| 21:05.36 | v1k1ng0 | hdmi output |
| 21:05.36 | famicom | i guess i could do a PXE install |
| 21:05.37 | mordy | lol |
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| 21:05.50 | v1k1ng0 | I have a laptop with hdmi output |
| 21:05.54 | famicom | yeah yeah yeah |
| 21:06.03 | famicom | v1k1ng0 which chipset |
| 21:06.03 | mordy | famicom -net install? |
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| 21:06.18 | v1k1ng0 | famicom: ok, wait please |
| 21:06.18 | famicom | is it an integrated chipset or a seperate card |
| 21:06.28 | v1k1ng0 | integrated I think |
| 21:06.40 | famicom | v1k1ng0 intel/ati/nvidia? |
| 21:06.52 | Juul | does anyone know how to get all of the output that occurs during boot (after mounting root partition rw) saved to a single file? |
| 21:06.53 | v1k1ng0 | famicom: intel |
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| 21:07.04 | v1k1ng0 | $ aplay -l |
| 21:07.05 | v1k1ng0 | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| 21:07.05 | v1k1ng0 | card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 21:07.08 | v1k1ng0 | card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 21:07.16 | famicom | ooooh |
| 21:07.19 | famicom | i have one of those |
| 21:07.25 | v1k1ng0 | I run alsamixer |
| 21:07.38 | v1k1ng0 | but iec958 is off |
| 21:07.44 | famicom | recompile your kernel and make sure you select ALSA as a module |
| 21:07.45 | v1k1ng0 | iec958 is digital output? |
| 21:07.55 | famicom | v1k1ng0 yeah it is |
| 21:08.07 | v1k1ng0 | why it is off? |
| 21:08.09 | famicom | anyway, hush, this is how i get it to work stfu and listen |
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| 21:08.31 | famicom | recompile your kernel and make sure you add alsa as a modle |
| 21:08.44 | pickcoder | famicom: it is by default |
| 21:08.44 | famicom | then select support for the intel-hda as a module as well |
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| 21:09.07 | famicom | after that, install alsa from source using aabuild |
| 21:09.22 | famicom | after you have instaleld your new kernel that is |
| 21:09.28 | v1k1ng0 | famicom: it is like module I think, I've recompiled the kernel (it isn't a debian kernel image) |
| 21:09.34 | famicom | oh ok |
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| 21:09.43 | famicom | then run aabuild |
| 21:09.45 | v1k1ng0 | lsmod |
| 21:09.48 | pickcoder | v1k1ng0: lsmod | grep hda-intel |
| 21:09.52 | v1k1ng0 | snd 39060 9 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device |
| 21:09.53 | famicom | check the alsa wiki, it's a script |
| 21:10.13 | pickcoder | hm |
| 21:10.26 | v1k1ng0 | ups not, it isn't like module then :) |
| 21:10.51 | v1k1ng0 | snd_hda_intel yes |
| 21:11.11 | famicom | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aabuild |
| 21:11.12 | famicom | run this |
| 21:11.14 | v1k1ng0 | snd_hda_intel 70300 0 |
| 21:11.14 | v1k1ng0 | snd_pcm_oss 31648 0 |
| 21:11.14 | v1k1ng0 | snd_mixer_oss 12928 1 snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:11.14 | v1k1ng0 | snd_pcm 54980 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:11.14 | v1k1ng0 | snd_page_alloc 7368 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm |
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| 21:11.32 | famicom | v1k1ng0 http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aabuild |
| 21:11.32 | v1k1ng0 | I'm sorry for flood |
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| 21:11.33 | famicom | run then |
| 21:11.36 | famicom | then come back |
| 21:11.42 | v1k1ng0 | ok, thanks famicom |
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| 21:11.53 | pickcoder | famicom: do you plan on support his custom kernel? |
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| 21:12.11 | amphi | heh |
| 21:12.14 | famicom | he just said he compiled the module |
| 21:12.16 | famicom | so that should work |
| 21:12.23 | pickcoder | no.. it comes with the kernelo |
| 21:12.23 | vodnik | hey, guys. i'm having trouble getting gnome-power-manager to start |
| 21:12.24 | famicom | HDMI is tricky as fuck |
| 21:12.37 | pickcoder | s/kernelo/kernel |
| 21:12.42 | famicom | pickcoder maybe so, but this is the only way i can get it to automagically work |
| 21:12.51 | v1k1ng0 | famicom: I have alsa packages installed, have I deinstall it? |
| 21:12.54 | juniorsa | Hi, all of a sudden when restarting bind9 I am getting the error Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused I have changed permissions owner and group to root:root and chmod 755 rndc.key file without luck, any suggestions |
| 21:12.57 | famicom | v1k1ng0 no |
| 21:12.59 | famicom | not needed |
| 21:13.01 | pickcoder | well don't come in telling people to custom build a kenel and expect people here to support it |
| 21:13.26 | famicom | uhm |
| 21:13.34 | famicom | make oldconfig ? |
| 21:13.47 | pickcoder | that's fine.. if _you_ know what you're doing |
| 21:14.05 | pickcoder | steps off the soapbox |
| 21:14.06 | famicom | well, this is #debian |
| 21:14.12 | famicom | people generally know what they are doing here |
| 21:14.21 | pickcoder | you don't come around on sunday do you... |
| 21:14.25 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 21:14.30 | famicom | oh |
| 21:14.41 | famicom | if they're retards, they should ride the shortbus |
| 21:14.47 | famicom | and join #ubuntu |
| 21:15.58 | vodnik | any idea of how i can run gnome-power-manager under ion3? |
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| 21:17.53 | juniorsa | Anyone have a solution to error Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
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| 21:18.44 | famicom | yeah |
| 21:18.49 | famicom | fuck bind and switch to powerdns |
| 21:19.23 | pickcoder | juniorsa: is 953 blocked in iptables? |
| 21:19.24 | juniorsa | nice |
| 21:19.34 | juniorsa | oh let me take a look thanks |
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| 21:19.56 | pickcoder | (or if the default is DROP is it allowed) |
| 21:19.59 | vodnik | i'm having trouble getting my laptop to turn off the screen on lidclose under ion3. it works fine under gnome. any ideas? |
| 21:20.03 | juniorsa | no it's not blocked |
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| 21:20.14 | famicom | juniorsa fuck bind |
| 21:20.17 | famicom | get rid of it |
| 21:20.22 | famicom | get powerdns and the mysql backend |
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| 21:20.34 | famicom | then use mysql replication for slaves |
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| 21:21.04 | stew | juniorsa: does your named.conf or named.conf.options contain a "controls" section with "inet 127.0.0.1 port 953" or something similar? |
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| 21:21.56 | v1k1ng0 | famicom: when I run the aabuild it doesn't work |
| 21:22.02 | famicom | v1k1ng0 in that case |
| 21:22.07 | famicom | here be dragons |
| 21:22.08 | pickcoder | acl internals should list 127.0.0/8 in named.conf also |
| 21:22.08 | famicom | good luck |
| 21:22.10 | famicom | and god speed |
| 21:22.36 | pickcoder | 127.0.0.0 |
| 21:22.37 | pickcoder | meh |
| 21:22.54 | juniorsa | stew: 953 is not in named.conf I grepped |
| 21:22.56 | vodnik | i guess that my question is how can i get gnome-power-manager to run under a different wm |
| 21:23.00 | v1k1ng0 | famicom: dragons? |
| 21:24.01 | stew | juniorsa: that's the reason then. you need a controls section |
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| 21:24.23 | juniorsa | stew: ok I will read the man pages and create one |
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| 21:25.03 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:25.21 | cr3rzemjest | is it a good idea to add sid repo key only to update 1 particular program? |
| 21:25.34 | stew | cr3rzemjest: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:25.48 | cr3rzemjest | 4 |
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| 21:26.37 | cr3rzemjest | i mean i installed from netinst cd 4.1 r 2 |
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| 21:27.41 | cr3rzemjest | i guess it is if i must |
| 21:28.03 | Eitan | Quesiton to all: if I'm running a debian live cd, can I remove the cd so I can burn a dvd... or will the system complain? |
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| 21:28.41 | xand | Eitan: it won't let you eject it |
| 21:29.00 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: it's an awful idea |
| 21:29.10 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman, why? |
| 21:29.11 | stew | cr3rzemjest: there is no 4.1. if you mean 4.0, then you should not be installing pacakges from sid at all, but using a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:29.26 | amphi | Eitan: you need to use a livecd that copies itself to a ramdisk; sysresccd.org iso can do that, I don't know about the debian one |
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| 21:29.35 | Eitan | xand: So if I booted a debian live-cd and have a partially working, rescued debian hd connected to the same system, I won't be able to transfer the data from the rescued drive to a burned dvd? |
| 21:30.07 | xand | you could boot from a usb stick or something, or copy to one... or what amphi said |
| 21:30.09 | Eitan | amphi: So basically I can't burn dvd's using a debian live-cd... right? |
| 21:30.14 | cr3rzemjest | i'll risk it because i need the program, however i will read about backports and delete key after update |
| 21:30.23 | xand | Eitan: you can if you have two optical drives :) |
| 21:30.33 | amphi | Eitan: I don't know |
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| 21:30.36 | Eitan | xand: ya... ok... got it... second question.... |
| 21:30.43 | cr3rzemjest | and i don't want to install/compile from tar.gz |
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| 21:31.12 | stew | cr3rzemjest: no, read about backports before you do anything, not after you break your system |
| 21:31.19 | Eitan | Second question.... if I use gnome to copy a directory from the rescued drive to a usb stick... will it also copy the "hidden" files like files that start with a . ? |
| 21:31.32 | xand | if you copy the directory itself, yes |
| 21:31.38 | xand | rather than selecting all the contents |
| 21:31.43 | n3kl | How do xen vms get their time? Is there a need to install ntp at all? |
| 21:31.47 | Eitan | xand... ok I'll give it a try. |
| 21:31.52 | xand | n3kl: from the host machine? |
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| 21:32.23 | Nazcafan | hi, I noticed that message when apt-get upgrading, recently: |
| 21:32.37 | n3kl | xand: so I would only need ntp on teh host machine to sync time. |
| 21:32.38 | Nazcafan | *** This build of Glib was compiled with glib 2.16.4, but is currently running with 2.16.3, which is too old. We'll continue, but expect problems! |
| 21:32.48 | xand | n3kl: well... that's a guess |
| 21:32.52 | n3kl | xand: so all time should be synced between vms |
| 21:32.54 | Nazcafan | is this standard behaviour? |
| 21:33.04 | xand | n3kl: there's probably a xen channel that could answer |
| 21:33.10 | xand | or someone else here |
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| 21:33.31 | n3kl | xand: I target you cause you responded =] THanks |
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| 21:35.33 | Eitan | xand: I opened the nautilus window as root... but stupid gnome is telling me I don't have permissions to copy the folder off the hd to the usb stick! what's going wrong? How do I do a "copy this entire directory including hidden files" to the usb stick? |
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| 21:35.55 | stew | running nautilus as root sounds scary |
| 21:36.19 | Eitan | stew: ya... but it works... usually |
| 21:36.20 | xand | Eitan: is the usb stick mounted ro or something? |
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| 21:36.25 | xand | I wouldn' |
| 21:36.29 | xand | t copy using nautilu |
| 21:36.31 | xand | s |
| 21:36.32 | vodnik | how can i start gnome-power-manager without getting the rest of gnome-sesson? |
| 21:36.33 | xand | ARGH. |
| 21:36.37 | xand | pardon my line breaks |
| 21:36.47 | xand | I'd use cp -a |
| 21:37.05 | Eitan | xand... it shouldn't be... it's not... read write execute |
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| 21:37.45 | xand | well can you create files on there using CLI? |
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| 21:38.18 | Eitan | ok... I got a folder /mnt/home that I want to copy to the usb drive... what's the cp -a syntax I should use? |
| 21:38.32 | Eitan | xand... what's cli? |
| 21:38.45 | xand | command line interface |
| 21:39.12 | xand | e.g.: cp -a /mnt/home /media/usb |
| 21:39.15 | Eitan | xand: I just created a new text file on the usb stick... it seems to work fine. |
| 21:39.21 | xand | use cp -av if you want to see progress |
| 21:39.38 | xand | also, you'll lose permissions if the stick is FAT formatted |
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| 21:40.29 | Eitan | xand: how do I check to see whether it's fat formatted or not? |
| 21:40.32 | amphi | Eitan: you should tar up the files if you're backing up to vfat |
| 21:40.45 | xand | Eitan: "mount" |
| 21:40.56 | amphi | Eitan: file -s /dev/whatever will also tell you the fs |
| 21:40.57 | stew | Eitan: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 21:40.57 | xand | (if it's already mounted) |
| 21:41.23 | Eitan | xand: it says usbfs |
| 21:43.07 | xand | er |
| 21:43.07 | Eitan | xand: it's vfat |
| 21:43.12 | Eitan | stew: it's vfat |
| 21:43.12 | xand | right |
| 21:43.34 | Eitan | ok... so now what should I do? |
| 21:44.06 | Eitan | I've spent two days with #debian's help to recover this debian drive... now all I have to do is copy the files off it. |
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| 21:45.25 | cr3rzemjest | what if package i'm looking for isnt in backports? add sid keys then? or install from tar.gz? |
| 21:45.36 | neonlightning | two questions is there a program or script so that i can configure stuff to different defaults for different stuff like mice in my xorg and is there still a xmms anywhere other then xmms2 |
| 21:45.46 | xand | I would cp -a /source /destination |
| 21:45.53 | xand | (from CLI as root) |
| 21:46.02 | amphi | xand: onto fat?? |
| 21:46.02 | Eitan | xand: would that preserve the permissions and all? |
| 21:46.04 | xand | but... format the USB stick as ext3 or something if you care about permissions |
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| 21:46.11 | amphi | Eitan: no, of course not |
| 21:46.22 | AbortRetryFail | amphi: tarball it onto the fat part. |
| 21:46.39 | amphi | AbortRetryFail: aye - I suggested that some time back |
| 21:46.39 | n3kl | Eitan: but tar could |
| 21:46.49 | Eitan | xand: is it ok to format a usb stick as ext3? |
| 21:47.00 | n3kl | Eitan: why not |
| 21:47.02 | amphi | Eitan: ext2 better |
| 21:47.03 | AbortRetryFail | or you could mount a file on the fat drive as -o loop and format that as ext3 |
| 21:47.05 | xand | sure, but don't expect to use it in windows |
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| 21:47.24 | AbortRetryFail | yeah ext2 would be better, less writing to the flash. |
| 21:47.39 | Eitan | n3kl: ok... you're saying I should tar it first... what's the command to tar an entire directory and save it as a file to the usb stick that's formatted as vfat? |
| 21:47.58 | Eitan | amphi: will ext2 preserve all of the file info from ext3 files? |
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| 21:48.10 | amphi | Eitan: yes |
| 21:48.10 | SeJo | where can i find the sources for e17 |
| 21:48.24 | n3kl | Eitan: sure, thats one option. tar -cvzpf /fat/tar.gz /mnt/root/shizzle |
| 21:48.35 | n3kl | SeJo: google |
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| 21:48.57 | AbortRetryFail | or man tar |
| 21:49.11 | n3kl | Eitan: listen to AbortRetryFail |
| 21:49.13 | SeJo | n3kl: charming don't you think i tried a lot of them yet? |
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| 21:50.13 | Eitan | n3kl: do you mean tar -cvzpf /dev/sda1/hometar.gz /mnt/home ? |
| 21:50.28 | n3kl | SeJo: http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/ |
| 21:50.37 | n3kl | Eitan: whatever, man tar |
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| 21:51.00 | n3kl | Eitan: I have not been folowing your story, if that is where you want the file, do that |
| 21:51.54 | Eitan | n3kl... I want the /mnt/home directory to be gzipped and placed on my usb drive which should be /dev/sda1 |
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| 21:52.46 | n3kl | Eitan: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 && tar -cvpzf /mnt/sda1/backup.tar.gz /mnt/home |
| 21:52.56 | n3kl | Eitan: the manpages will tell you everything |
| 21:53.02 | Eitan | If I format a usb stick as ext2... and I copy a directory structure from a hard drive that's formatted as ext3... will I lose any data? |
| 21:53.25 | n3kl | Eitan: I would tar it regardless of the filesystem |
| 21:53.35 | n3kl | Eitan: the p option for tar is very important |
| 21:53.45 | amphi | Eitan: no; /mount/point/foo.tgz not /dev/blah/foo.tgz |
| 21:53.50 | Eitan | n3kl: since I'm basically a linux newbie... why is it a good idea to tar things first? |
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| 21:54.03 | AbortRetryFail | preserves permissions and ownership. |
| 21:54.04 | n3kl | Eitan: or you could follow one of the earlier sugestions was cp -ax |
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| 21:54.25 | amphi | Eitan: if it's an ext2 fs, cp -a will be fine |
| 21:54.44 | n3kl | amphi: did I misslead him? |
| 21:55.01 | JyZyXEL | how many wlan connections can you have at one spot? |
| 21:55.04 | SeJo | n3kl: you tried compiling on a eeepc? |
| 21:55.04 | Eitan | amphi: what was your correction to tar -cvpzf /mnt/sda1/backup.tar.gz /mnt/home ? |
| 21:55.04 | n3kl | amphi: x, habit |
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| 21:55.19 | n3kl | SeJo: no, I used distcc |
| 21:55.29 | Eitan | n3kl: why is it a good idea to tar things first? |
| 21:55.34 | SeJo | n3kl: good on ya |
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| 21:56.15 | n3kl | SeJo: but also, I use debian so I don't have to compile. Also, afik e17 is a heavier wm, so I prefer fluxbox, but I don't know that cause I have never run e17 |
| 21:56.21 | n3kl | Eitan: personal preference |
| 21:56.22 | amphi | Eitan: Eitan> n3kl: do you mean tar -cvzpf /dev/sda1/hometar.gz /mnt/home ? |
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| 21:56.39 | n3kl | Eitan: everything is in one place for portability reason, and its compressed |
| 21:56.41 | SeJo | n3kl: e17 is not a WM but a DM |
| 21:56.58 | SeJo | and the smallest one I know off |
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| 21:57.11 | amphi | DE, shurely |
| 21:57.17 | n3kl | amphi: no, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 && tar -cvzpf /mnt/sda1/tar.gz /mnt/home |
| 21:57.27 | SeJo | amphi: true sorry |
| 21:57.33 | n3kl | SeJo: hmm, could be mistaken |
| 21:58.35 | SeJo | n3kl: it's a habit also, each his choice right? ;p |
| 21:58.47 | n3kl | When I use anohter desktop environment, I alwasy end up installing kde apps anyway |
| 21:58.51 | Eitan | how do I format a usb disk as ext2 ? |
| 21:58.54 | n3kl | SeJo: definately |
| 21:58.59 | n3kl | Eitan: mkfs.ext2 |
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| 22:01.28 | Eitan | ok... I'm going to go and try those things... thanks |
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| 22:04.26 | mirror_man | hifi, I'm trying to compile glanchat on two machines running Lenny. It compiles fine on one but ./configure stops at "checking for GTK" on the other. Glanchat needs Gtk+2 to compile. The machine in question has libgtk2.0.0 installed so I guess it needs some other package. Does anyone know what package this may be? |
| 22:04.32 | vodnik | how can i start gnome-power-manager without gnome? |
| 22:04.58 | n3kl | SeJo: ps, I wasn't ragging on e17 |
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| 22:05.28 | n3kl | vodnik: can you just type gnome-power-manager? |
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| 22:06.07 | abrotman | mirror_man: apt-cache -- search libgtk -dev |
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| 22:07.18 | vodnik | n3kl: gnome-power-manager won't start if i do that. it claims that the dbus session service isn't running. it starts fine if i type gnome-session, and i can then close the rest of the session with it running allright |
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| 22:07.34 | Cpudan80 | HEllo all |
| 22:07.45 | Cpudan80 | How do you add a script to the shutdown sequence? |
| 22:07.50 | mirror_man | abrotman, Thank you. I'll try installing that and see how it goes. |
| 22:08.03 | Cpudan80 | I have a daemon that is running, and I need it to shut down cleanly and save the log files |
| 22:08.31 | Cpudan80 | I tried adding a symlink called K52MyScript in /etc/rc0.d -- but it doesnt work |
| 22:08.33 | Cpudan80 | It just hangs |
| 22:08.49 | Cpudan80 | The script works fine if I execute it normally |
| 22:09.07 | themill | Cpudan80: is it a script that starts with !#/bin/sh ? |
| 22:09.16 | Cpudan80 | no |
| 22:09.24 | Cpudan80 | !#/usr/bin/python |
| 22:09.29 | themill | fail. |
| 22:09.36 | Cpudan80 | Other python scripts are in the shutdown sequence too, they work fine |
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| 22:10.01 | themill | Cpudan80: read /etc/init.d/README... |
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| 22:11.41 | Cpudan80 | themill: yeah I see that - but there are other python scripts in the shutdown sequence that work fine |
| 22:12.34 | Cope57 | I received a Iceweasel update, and decided to check out the version which it upgraded to. I found this in the "Help " About Iceweasel part of the browser... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062908 Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2). There has been no bug issues that I know of, but I am running Debian 4.0 testing, and not 3.0~rc2-2 as it states in the browser identification. Is this a bug, or just something t |
| 22:12.36 | themill | dunno then... but we get people with problems here on a regular basis who are trying to insert ruby or python scripts into init.d... |
| 22:12.57 | neonlightning | i see debian has system-config-lvm and system-config-print but what about disaply and mouse? |
| 22:12.57 | stew | Cpudan80: does your script expect to get called with "stop" as an argument? |
| 22:13.14 | themill | Cope57: It's iceweasel version 3.0 not Debian version 3.0 |
| 22:13.20 | biatche | how do i get regex to match # ? im editing my squid.conf, i need it to match a regex that contains #... how can i escape it and yet allow squid.conf to read it |
| 22:13.48 | Cpudan80 | stew: yes |
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| 22:13.59 | Cope57 | But it states Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2), so this is just the browser version mentioned twice? |
| 22:14.10 | Cpudan80 | stew: If I do ./myScript stop it works fine |
| 22:14.28 | Cpudan80 | if I just do ./myScript it just gives me a usage error and quits |
| 22:14.47 | stew | Cpudan80: does your script rely on environment variables that might not be available during shutdown? |
| 22:14.59 | Cpudan80 | stew: no |
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| 22:15.25 | Cpudan80 | stew: all it does is check to see if some file exists - and copies it off to a remote data store if it does exist |
| 22:16.00 | shefqeti | stew: is it a must that scripts be links at /etc/rc0.d/ and the real ones be at /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 22:16.07 | themill | Cope57: yes. |
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| 22:16.22 | Cope57 | thanks |
| 22:17.27 | themill | Cope57: Iceweasel/3.0 is the "browser version" while Iceweasel Debian-3.0rc2 or whatever will be the package version. |
| 22:18.17 | themill | Cope57: Compare the output to "apt-cache policy iceweasel" to see the debian package version. |
| 22:20.13 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: the real script is at /etc/init.d |
| 22:20.26 | Cpudan80 | the one in rc0.d is a symlink over to etc/init.d |
| 22:20.56 | neonlightning | where can i actually configure my xorg stuff because it says dexconf is supposed to do it but i have to use grandr to set my resolution on every xorg reset and my 7 button mouse isn't working |
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| 22:21.00 | Cope57 | I never did look into user agent stuff before, "Installed: 3.0~rc2-2 and Candidate: 3.0~rc2-2". It makes more sense now. Thanks themill, I guess I am not to old to learn a thing or two. ;) |
| 22:21.16 | themill | Cope57: heh... no worries. |
| 22:21.42 | Cope57 | Just thought it was a bit weird to see Debian 3.0 in the user agent. |
| 22:21.42 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: i don't know. maybe matter the ownership and permitions of the file and link. see compare with the other ones in the directories |
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| 22:22.38 | Cope57 | The cache policy made sense to me. Been forever since I actually looked at one, lol. Thanks for the help... |
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| 22:24.15 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: I wonder if there is some kind of timeout on the things? |
| 22:24.29 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: the file it has to move is huge - it takes about 45 seconds |
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| 22:25.26 | Cpudan80 | kinda annoying that we have to move the thing on shutdown... but... we have to |
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| 22:26.32 | shefqeti | hmmm |
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| 22:27.08 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: And if you call it from within an existing shutdown script ? |
| 22:27.46 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: like add a line in one part of the shutdown sequence in mailserver shutdown, suppose |
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| 22:28.04 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: ehh... I could try that Iguess |
| 22:28.10 | Cpudan80 | Hadnt tried it |
| 22:28.24 | Cpudan80 | I'd rather not mess with another script -- but if I have to... |
| 22:28.41 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: why not try call it from rc.local ? |
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| 22:29.19 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: ahh |
| 22:29.31 | Cpudan80 | I could try that |
| 22:29.43 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: but that's executed in startup no shutd |
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| 22:29.56 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: my bad |
| 22:30.03 | Eitan | shefqeti: It worked! |
| 22:30.25 | shefqeti | Eitan: your hd data is safe now ? |
| 22:30.28 | Eitan | shefqeti: My home directgory has been recovered! |
| 22:30.38 | Eitan | shefqeti: not quite... there's one last thing to do... |
| 22:30.47 | shefqeti | Eitan: lol. finally. you were sweating |
| 22:30.48 | shefqeti | :D |
| 22:30.56 | Eitan | shefqeti: I need to transfer the files from the hd ... |
| 22:31.08 | shefqeti | Eitan: to ? |
| 22:31.12 | Eitan | shefqeti: it turns out the only files that were destroyed were debian system files... not my data |
| 22:31.13 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: oh yeah... that wont work ;-) |
| 22:31.20 | Eitan | shefqeti: I was hoping to a dvd |
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| 22:31.36 | Eitan | shefqeti: will the dvd preserve the fs structure and permissions? |
| 22:31.46 | n3kl | Someone help me figure this out. I have a xen vm, I du -sh / reports 725M, df reports / is 3G full. |
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| 22:32.17 | shefqeti | Eitan: tar.gz the entire home folder and burn it regularly in dvd |
| 22:32.43 | shefqeti | Eitan: you will have a single file containing all your data |
| 22:32.54 | Eitan | shefqeti: that tar business didn't work ... I don't know... maybe I got the commands wrong... I tried it already... |
| 22:33.11 | Eitan | shefqeti: I want to do a straight transfer... let's say I'm not comfortable with tra |
| 22:33.12 | Eitan | tar |
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| 22:34.23 | Eitan | shefqeti: how about a dry run... tell me what command you would use to transfer the /mnt/home directory including all subdirs to /dev/sda1 |
| 22:34.29 | war9407 | curious -- does anyone here use a (windows/lirc compatible) remote for their computer/windows media player/mplayer? if so which do you use? |
| 22:34.35 | Eitan | shefqeti: I mean by tarring them |
| 22:34.45 | shefqeti | Eitan: I don't have means to write directly from debian so i tar.gz stuff and burn in windows those. (hides in shame) |
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| 22:35.22 | Eitan | shefqeti: ok... fine... so can you give me the command to tar the /mnt/home dir and subdirs to /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 22:35.47 | shefqeti | Eitan: you can't tranfer directly. you mount /dev/sda1 first at say /mnt2 and then simply copy recursively |
| 22:36.11 | Eitan | shefqeti: no... not directly... with tar... my usb stick (sda1) is already mounted. |
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| 22:37.48 | tingle | hi i run debian for years now but now i would like to install xp on dualboot for games |
| 22:37.52 | tingle | where do i starT? |
| 22:38.18 | Eitan | Question to all: if I burn a linux directory under ext3 to a dvd... will it preserve the directory structure and permissions? |
| 22:38.27 | shefqeti | Eitan: so like: cp -r /mnt/home/username /mnt/where/usbstick/ |
| 22:38.56 | Eitan | shefqeti: I'm sorry... I confused you... I want to tar to the usb |
| 22:40.05 | tingle | is it smarter to install linux first and then winxp for dualboot or the other way arround? |
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| 22:41.08 | shefqeti | Eitan: tar -cf /mnt/where/usb/homearchive.tar /mnt/home/username; gzip /mnt/where/usb/homearchive.tar |
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| 22:41.37 | cloakable | tingle: winxp, then linux, so grub can boot both |
| 22:42.17 | Eitan | shefqeti: that whole thing? |
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| 22:43.22 | tingle | cloakable: mkay ty |
| 22:44.17 | Eitan | shefqeti: debian:/home/user# tar -cvpzf /mnt/sda1/home.tar /mnt/home |
| 22:44.17 | Eitan | tar: /mnt/sda1/home.tar: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
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| 22:45.15 | Eitan | shefqeti: debian:/home/user# tar -cvpzf /dev/sda1/home.tar /mnt/home |
| 22:45.15 | Eitan | tar: /dev/sda1/home.tar: Cannot open: Not a directory |
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| 22:47.25 | cloakable | tingle: no |
| 22:47.32 | cloakable | tingle: np :P |
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| 22:48.37 | shefqeti | Eitan: where is your usb mounted ? |
| 22:48.46 | Eitan | shefqeti: /dev/sda1 |
| 22:48.54 | shefqeti | Eitan: /mnt/sda1 ? |
| 22:48.54 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to bind a file extension or file type to a specific program in Gnome using a command line, by modifying a file or similar? I'm building a shell script that is setting up useful bindings. |
| 22:49.38 | shefqeti | Eitan: not the device. the mount point |
| 22:50.18 | Eitan | shefqeti: /dev/sda1 on /media/UDISK2.0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=999,gid=999,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) |
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| 22:51.40 | shefqeti | Eitan: and where is your home dir? |
| 22:52.08 | Eitan | shefqeti: /mnt/home |
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| 22:54.01 | shefqeti | Eitan: try: tar -cvpf /media/UDISK2.0/homearchive.tar /mnt/home/eitan |
| 22:54.13 | shefqeti | Eitan: if your homedir is called eitan |
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| 22:55.04 | Eitan | shefqeti: it's going like crazy |
| 22:55.16 | shefqeti | Eitan: wait |
| 22:55.26 | shefqeti | Eitan: how much data is there averagely ? |
| 22:55.40 | Eitan | shefqeti: hundreds of files..... |
| 22:55.40 | Eitan | shefqeti: 1.7 gigabytes |
| 22:56.25 | shefqeti | Eitan: you're on a livecd. you'll wait |
| 22:56.43 | Eitan | shefqeti: what do you mean? |
| 22:57.02 | shefqeti | Eitan: it will take a while |
| 22:57.40 | shefqeti | Eitan: in the end, in your usb you will have the "homearchive.tar" file. there is all your directory and contents |
| 22:58.00 | Eitan | shefqeti: and then all I have to do is untar it? |
| 22:58.10 | Eitan | shefqeti: what's the command for untarring? |
| 22:58.18 | shefqeti | Eitan: yes. wherever you want them back |
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| 22:59.19 | Eitan | shefqeti: I want express to you how grateful I am that you have helped me rescue my data.... and to the others who helped who aren't online now. |
| 22:59.52 | shefqeti | Eitan: you cd where you want the homedir extracted and run: tar -xvf homearchive.tar |
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| 23:00.31 | shefqeti | Eitan: i mean the full path of homearchive.tar |
| 23:00.58 | shefqeti | Eitan: like /mnt/where/next/will/be/usb/mounted/homearchive.tar |
| 23:01.37 | shefqeti | Eitan: yw :) |
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| 23:03.02 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: you solved that shutdown script yet ? |
| 23:03.04 | DeltaS4 | when I update my kernel-image will modules-assistant find a nvidia module for that new kernel version? |
| 23:03.12 | Eitan | shefqeti: really... I really apreciate it... ddrescue worked very well and fsck too... all I did was say "yes" to everything. |
| 23:03.33 | mad_muppet | I just got given a compaq presario 4000 .. Im having problems installing linux because I cant set the boot sequence .. |
| 23:03.59 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: Well I found out that it doesnt hang -- thats just my VM doing something weird |
| 23:04.06 | Eitan | shefqeti: you're in albania, right? |
| 23:04.13 | shefqeti | Eitan: yea lol |
| 23:04.15 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: But no... still stuck |
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| 23:04.48 | Eitan | shefqeti: is there anything you want from LA as a token of my appreciation that I can send you? |
| 23:05.15 | abrotman | clean air? |
| 23:05.26 | DeltaS4 | is it better to use linux-image-2.6 or a linux-image-2.6.xx? |
| 23:05.27 | shefqeti | lol |
| 23:05.32 | Eitan | abrotman: canned smog |
| 23:05.44 | abrotman | DeltaS4: linux-image-2.6-<arch> |
| 23:05.50 | abrotman | DeltaS4: or linux-image-<arch> |
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| 23:06.17 | Eitan | shefqeti: just tell me. |
| 23:06.30 | DeltaS4 | abrotman, and when I update the kernel will I have the nvidia modules for the updated version? |
| 23:06.41 | abrotman | i'd imagine so .. i don't use nvidia |
| 23:06.45 | shefqeti | Eitan: no worry man, lol. I know how it feels |
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| 23:07.06 | shefqeti | Eitan: i've had crashes of tens of thousands of mailboxes |
| 23:07.15 | Eitan | shefqeti: feels like crap.... losing years of data... |
| 23:07.25 | n3kl | abrotman: ati? |
| 23:07.30 | shefqeti | Eitan: and having others looking at you gasping |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | n3kl: no thanks |
| 23:07.43 | n3kl | abrotman: intel? |
| 23:07.49 | Eitan | shefqeti: what do you mean you don't back up every month? |
| 23:07.58 | abrotman | in this box .. yes .. and likely anything in the future also |
| 23:08.22 | n3kl | abrotman: because of their new feelings toward open source? |
| 23:08.23 | shefqeti | Eitan: yea I do. but mailboxes are like if you can, do it every second, lol |
| 23:09.13 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: you use what vm system ? |
| 23:09.13 | Eitan | shefqeti: ... I have to backup every month now.... that'll be enough for me. |
| 23:09.22 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: vmware |
| 23:09.29 | Eitan | shefqeti: curious... what version of debian are you using? |
| 23:09.41 | shefqeti | Eitan: 4.0 |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | n3kl: yes |
| 23:09.57 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: Instead of switching to "Power off" on the toolbar, it just halts and I cant type anything |
| 23:10.03 | n3kl | shefqeti: xen is another nice one to checkout |
| 23:10.10 | Eitan | shefqeti: did they make a version number for lenny yet? have you seen lenny? |
| 23:10.23 | themill | Eitan: 5.0 |
| 23:10.31 | Eitan | themill: wow... that's bold. |
| 23:10.41 | Eitan | themill: have you seen lenny? |
| 23:10.42 | n3kl | abrotman: good work |
| 23:11.01 | themill | Eitan: I don't use it, but mrs themill does. |
| 23:11.41 | shefqeti | n3kl: yes. I have some small vms for smtp servers with no so much traffic |
| 23:12.21 | n3kl | shefqeti: I really like xen for my pwersonal use, but I am sure that work would look down on me if they knew |
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| 23:13.15 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: odd. I don't know vmware though. It might have settings on how emulated hardware behaves. like irqs or memory. as far as i know vmware emulates hardware with bios and all |
| 23:13.20 | Eitan | themill: so you've seen it... what's it like... what's the killer app? what's the big wow factor? any headline news... something to look forward to? |
| 23:13.46 | n3kl | shefqeti: vmware free server is more sluggish than xen |
| 23:13.51 | shefqeti | n3kl: what do you care? I run my xen puppies at 64M vmachines :D |
| 23:15.03 | themill | Eitan: ummm.... not much to report, really. Newer openoffice, iceweasel and icedove are all a big improvement on etch. Newer KDE also, but that's also in backports.org (as is OOo). |
| 23:15.04 | shefqeti | n3kl: but the thing is more like for tech support. the biggies get scared from made-in-house things. depends, i don't know |
| 23:15.20 | n3kl | shefqeti: I have a couple of those. The only reason I take interest is because I finally got fed up with vmware. Just remember, you have to have a client to use vmware, that means that if you are on a different machine or something, you can't really access the server without installing and compiling some modules |
| 23:15.48 | n3kl | shefqeti: but the web interface is getting better and better |
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| 23:17.45 | shefqeti | n3kl: i've settled with xen for what i do. it does all i need. i have been wondering in xen, can one have one ethernet directly and exlusively usage from one vmachine? Or one entire hd or other device exlusive direct access to it? like no emulation? but directly the device, if there is any to spare? |
| 23:18.03 | Eitan | themill: my main issues in etch are: slow windows, slow display, screwed up printing with cups (it's hard to get my printer to do 1200 dpi), screwed up scanning |
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| 23:18.12 | Eitan | themill: any improvement in those areas? |
| 23:18.19 | PerfDave | shefqeti: You can pass PCI devices directly to Xen guests |
| 23:18.26 | n3kl | shefqeti: pretty sure |
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| 23:19.04 | shefqeti | n3kl: nice. I can have the ftp server direct ethernet and hd then :D |
| 23:19.10 | themill | Eitan: I don't see the first three myself and I don't do any scanning, so I can't really tell you |
| 23:19.19 | Eitan | themill: also... slow pdf viewing... there's just a lot of things that seem slow in debian that are not slow in windows 2000... even though windows is technically inferior |
| 23:19.43 | bombshock | Hello. Can someone tell me if its possible to resize partition from command line without the need of doing any back up, booting via live cd and then resizing or deleting/creating a new partition via mkfs? |
| 23:19.44 | shefqeti | n3kl: and yet have the core system as a vm. Transferable everywhere |
| 23:19.57 | themill | Eitan: can't say that I see slowness. I find kpdf much faster than acroread. |
| 23:20.18 | Eitan | themill: i've been using evince... |
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| 23:21.08 | shefqeti | PerfDave: it's good to know that now. never found the time to properly check |
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| 23:22.22 | Eitan | Does anyone know whether burning an ext3 directory to a dvd will or won't preserve the structure and permissions properly? |
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| 23:23.01 | jacekowski | it will preserve structure |
| 23:23.19 | jacekowski | in best case |
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| 23:23.24 | freebse | hi, there is a problem with dist-upgrade (unstable) : |
| 23:23.27 | freebse | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:23.27 | freebse | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.29 | jacekowski | in worst it can shrink file/folder names |
| 23:23.55 | freebse | I found a bug report, is there a workaround till it get fixed |
| 23:24.02 | freebse | hi btw |
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| 23:24.51 | freebse | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/4798574485b6bf53 |
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| 23:25.36 | Eitan | jacekowski: what about permissions? |
| 23:25.36 | PerfDave | freebse: If there's a workaround, it'll be on the bug report :) |
| 23:26.06 | jacekowski | Eitan: permissions doesn't exist on dvd |
| 23:26.13 | freebse | PerfDave: not allways, because some work arounds do not fix te prob really |
| 23:26.28 | jacekowski | Eitan: you can tar.bz your files and burn this file |
| 23:26.32 | Eitan | jacekowski: so no... right? |
| 23:26.34 | PerfDave | freebse: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469528 would be a better place to look anyway |
| 23:26.41 | Eitan | jacekowski: ok... |
| 23:26.47 | freebse | PerfDave: ok thx anyways it is a bug I can live with :) |
| 23:26.58 | Eitan | jacekowski: are permissions an issue for a 1 man system? :) |
| 23:27.00 | abrotman | freebse: help if you read the actual bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469528 |
| 23:27.06 | shefqeti | Eitan: your home directoy stuff has all the permitions. it's preserved in the .tar file |
| 23:27.29 | jacekowski | Eitan: sometime |
| 23:27.35 | shefqeti | Eitan: for the .tar file itself it can sufice to have read permitions. |
| 23:27.41 | jacekowski | Eitan: mostly for all daemons |
| 23:28.15 | Eitan | jacekowski: are you saying something might not work if I just burn a cd with the file on it... because of permission loss? |
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| 23:28.37 | jacekowski | Eitan: yes |
| 23:28.46 | jacekowski | Eitan: wrong |
| 23:28.59 | shefqeti | Eitan: you don't lose any permitions of your data. you carry the archive file like any file |
| 23:29.01 | jacekowski | Eitan: if you burn .tar.bz file then everything will work |
| 23:29.04 | Eitan | javekowski: yes wrong? |
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| 23:29.53 | Eitan | shefqeti: if I do the archive file... I'm planning to do both.... I just want to know for my knowledge... if I backup by just burning a cd with the files... not a tar... would I miss out on something? |
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| 23:30.48 | freebse | I thought about installing hal by source, ./configure went allright, maybe I break my whole system, actually I wanted to ask, if someone tried this allready, anyway I removed hal manual and started make allready, so I am going to find out shortly :) thx everybody for answering |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | freebse: the URL i gave you shows a work around |
| 23:31.29 | shefqeti | Eitan: i have not tried anything similar. I think you can treat a cd-rw as a normal ext3 fs with any technique, I don't know. it's a maybe for me |
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| 23:31.49 | shefqeti | Eitan: it deals lots with filesystems |
| 23:31.50 | freebse | abrotman: ups, I should read things first and be patient, this was allways my problem, thx |
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| 23:32.09 | abrotman | freebse: and using bugs.debian.org to read the official bug might be helpful too :) |
| 23:32.26 | valdyn | Eitan: you would loose permissions |
| 23:32.28 | shefqeti | Eitan: but you sure can format an usb with ext3 and not the usual vfat. and treat it like any disk |
| 23:32.50 | Eitan | shefqeti: I'm just sitting here with the usb drive still writing... I was thinking about also burning a dvd ... or maybe 2... one with a tar and one with just the raw directories and files |
| 23:32.58 | shefqeti | Eitan: for permitions, links and all |
| 23:33.21 | valdyn | Eitan: just use tar, theres no point in working around that |
| 23:33.47 | Eitan | valdyn: would it matter that I lose permissions if it's just a one man system? also... what would permissions revert to upon copying back to a running linux system? rwx for all or rwx for no one? |
| 23:33.55 | freebse | abrotman: well you got me, it is a notebook from my company, I am actually BSD user :) sorry for asking dumb questions :) thx anyways |
| 23:34.04 | valdyn | Eitan: yes |
| 23:34.09 | valdyn | Eitan: thats totally fucked up |
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| 23:34.23 | valdyn | Eitan: permissions serve their purpose even on a single person system |
| 23:34.26 | shefqeti | Eitan: treat tar.gz or tar.bz2 as an advanced zip which preserves all atributes there are |
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| 23:34.30 | Eitan | shefqeti: I tried that format business for the usb and it didn't work... so I'm just taring to the usb vfat |
| 23:34.41 | valdyn | Eitan: and theres no technical 1-user system with debian |
| 23:34.44 | shefqeti | Eitan: when you restore from them all will be as you put them there |
| 23:35.24 | valdyn | Eitan: you know theres tools that do backups for you, levels higher than just tar |
| 23:35.27 | Eitan | valdyn: so can you give me an example of one thing that would "break" because it lost permissions? I am just talking about user data... not debian system files. |
| 23:35.44 | valdyn | Eitan: ok, im talking about system files |
| 23:36.00 | valdyn | Eitan: user data rarely breaks, but ~/.ssh/* will break |
| 23:36.11 | valdyn | Eitan: and that is user data too |
| 23:36.11 | Eitan | shefqeti: so it doesn't matter if I had just copied the files... I didn't need to tar... right? |
| 23:36.17 | Eitan | valdyni: so it doesn't matter if I had just copied the files... I didn't need to tar... right? |
| 23:36.37 | shefqeti | Eitan: could be the loss of all read permitions of the evolution email storage section |
| 23:36.44 | valdyn | Eitan: well, you cant copy files to an iso9660 or a vfat filesystem with all info preserved |
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| 23:37.24 | Eitan | shefqeti: I don't use evolution... icedove... would that make a difference? |
| 23:37.32 | shefqeti | Eitan: no |
| 23:38.02 | Eitan | valdyn: ok... but do I need those permissions for my email files from icedove and my other random user files... ? |
| 23:38.03 | shefqeti | Eitan: if that affects one, i'd guess it does the other too |
| 23:38.11 | valdyn | Eitan: its simple, since you cannot verify every single file for permissions relevance, you really want to backup those too |
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| 23:38.32 | valdyn | Eitan: so thats an irrelevant question |
| 23:38.44 | Eitan | valdyn: so you're saying taring is safer... |
| 23:38.52 | valdyn | Eitan: yea |
| 23:38.56 | shefqeti | Eitan: yes. permitions are like part of the file. the filename is incomplete in many cases for proper usage |
| 23:39.25 | Eitan | ok... so I guess I'll do both, why not? they'll both fit on a dvd. |
| 23:40.04 | Eitan | if I put the tar file on a usb... would the usb be fast enough to transfer the data to a dvd for burning without an underrun? |
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| 23:40.58 | shefqeti | Eitan: you better take it to a system with hd and copy it there first and then burn it from that copy |
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| 23:41.18 | Eitan | valdyn: so for sure... just copying the files to a dvd would not mean that they would be restored with all the permissions for everyone off... rather, they would be ON for everyone. |
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| 23:41.27 | Eitan | shefqeti:... I see. |
| 23:42.24 | shefqeti | Eitan: there's on and off and excutabe and sticky and browsable for directories and write-without-read and all. :p |
| 23:42.48 | Eitan | too complicated! |
| 23:43.01 | shefqeti | Eitan: means you need them |
| 23:43.09 | Eitan | linux makes my head spin ()~)(~)()(~ |
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| 23:43.43 | shefqeti | Eitan: no it's simple. permitions matter. use transfers that preserve them |
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| 23:43.56 | blizzow | I added my friend's network to my own with: |
| 23:43.56 | blizzow | route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 dev eth3 |
| 23:43.56 | blizzow | route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 gw 172.16.0.4 dev eth3 |
| 23:43.57 | shefqeti | Eitan: disconsider what loses permitions |
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| 23:44.15 | blizzow | my router is able to ping my neighbors network but none of the machines on my network can reach his. |
| 23:44.26 | Eitan | is dvd iso 9660? |
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| 23:44.55 | blizzow | What am I missing? |
| 23:44.55 | valdyn | blizzow: 2 times conflicting routes, how the hell is that supposed to do what you want? |
| 23:45.29 | blizzow | valdyn: I couldn't seem to put a gw in unless I ran the first command. |
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| 23:46.33 | valdyn | blizzow: the 1st command sets the way to go to 172.16.0.0 plain thru eth3 |
| 23:46.56 | valdyn | blizzow: the 2nd claims that you need to pass thru a gateway within the network that gateway is supposed to help you reach |
| 23:47.18 | valdyn | blizzow: maybe the 2nd is supposed to be "route add default gw 172.16.0.4 |
| 23:47.25 | valdyn | blizzow: or maybe not, i dont know what you want |
| 23:47.43 | blizzow | valdyn: will two default gws conflict? |
| 23:47.57 | deadcat | yes |
| 23:47.59 | valdyn | blizzow: umm? |
| 23:48.08 | deadcat | something wrong with the lastest 2.6.25-2 kernel? when i boot up it sits and "waiting for root filesystem ..." |
| 23:48.10 | valdyn | blizzow: you can have as many gw as you want , but only one per network |
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| 23:48.40 | deadcat | for ppc |
| 23:49.01 | PerfDave | blizzow: Hang on, you're running these route commands on your router, right? (a) Do the other machines on your network know to route through your router and (b) do the machines on the other network know how to route back? |
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| 23:50.30 | shefqeti | blizzow: you might want to see the FORWARD rule of iptables to see if it blocks by default too |
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| 23:51.26 | shefqeti | shefqeti: and turn on ip forwarding too maybe |
| 23:52.19 | PerfDave | But not IP masquerading if you can help it ;) |
| 23:52.30 | shefqeti | lol |
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| 23:53.54 | blizzow | valdyn: I just want hosts on my neighbors network and my own to be able to talk freely. He's on eth3, I'm on eth5. |
| 23:54.24 | PerfDave | blizzow: You need to set up routing on both sides of the link, really. |
| 23:54.34 | PerfDave | suggests a copy of "TCP/IP Illustrated vol. 1" |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | the pictures help! |
| 23:55.49 | shefqeti | blizzow: does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward show 1 or 0 ? |
| 23:56.13 | PerfDave | Also, when dealing with routing problems, learn to love tcpdump :) |
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| 23:57.31 | shefqeti | PerfDave: rough love that tcpdump. it wears my patience like crazy |
| 23:57.31 | blizzow | PerfDave: It was working before I rebooted it :( |
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| 23:58.18 | blizzow | shefqeti: ip_forward shows 1. |
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| 23:58.44 | JyZyXEL | how many wlan access points can you have at one area? |
| 23:58.47 | tview | can anyone show where to look so I know when the next kernel is coming in from unstable to testing please? |
| 23:59.27 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 23:59.27 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: #wireless |
