| 00:00.29 | n-iCe | \amethyst: when I reboot the time/clock changes |
| 00:00.37 | n-iCe | It is not saving the tim |
| 00:00.38 | n-iCe | time |
| 00:01.00 | CcSsNET | check user permisions maybe haha |
| 00:01.02 | \amethyst | n-iCe: does it change by a number of hours, or do the minutes change too? |
| 00:01.18 | n-iCe | \amethyst: all changes, the time, the clock |
| 00:01.29 | n-iCe | If it is 4:00Pm and I reboot, says 1:00am |
| 00:01.45 | CcSsNET | bad bios battery> |
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| 00:02.00 | n-iCe | CcSsNET: no it was working fine, and the laptop is new. |
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| 00:02.14 | \amethyst | n-iCe: and how are you rebooting? |
| 00:02.17 | micols | simonrvn: pata_amd is my module and i made /dev/cdrw myself |
| 00:02.22 | micols | it just still says it cannot load scsi driver |
| 00:02.24 | CcSsNET | odd, how are u setting the clock? using the command line? |
| 00:02.29 | n-iCe | System >> shutdown >> restart |
| 00:02.31 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:02.32 | micols | and scsi , sd_mod etc is loaded and /dev/sg0 exists now |
| 00:02.40 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:03.12 | mosty | which package provides (or creates) the /etc/postgresql/8.1/ directory? |
| 00:03.21 | n-iCe | I will fix that later,brb |
| 00:03.22 | n-iCe | thanks! |
| 00:03.44 | amphi | n-iCe: is your cmos clock set to utc, and does debian know that? |
| 00:03.47 | micols | uh.. /dev/sg0 works now :) |
| 00:03.48 | amphi | arrggh |
| 00:03.52 | micols | cdrecord dev=/dev/sg0 |
| 00:04.12 | micols | is there a nice way of making /dev/sg0 symlinks as /dev/cdrw on boot? can udev do this ? |
| 00:04.35 | micols | scsi 4:0:0:0: CD-ROM PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A 1.11 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 is my vendorstring |
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| 00:07.21 | quitte | hi. is tere somthing that resembles the functionality, not the looks of the osx dock? |
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| 00:08.27 | vinafera | afterstep and windowmaker both use docks implemented in next step |
| 00:08.41 | vinafera | as implemented |
| 00:09.08 | vinafera | which is the origin of the osx dock as well |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | quitte: what is your WM/DE ? |
| 00:10.21 | quitte | gnome, usually. |
| 00:10.52 | quitte | just tried awn. unfortunately it seems to focus on the looks only |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | quitte: so you want a bunch of launchers like OSX ? |
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| 00:12.25 | quitte | abrotman: yes. and the launcher should also be the tool to switch between windows |
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| 00:12.41 | simonrvn | awn *is* only for the looks. it's a hog like desklets, and pretty buggy, too |
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| 00:13.32 | abrotman | quitte: uhm .. there's a thing in the corner called "Window Selector" .. and you can add that to any panel .. i'm not aware of any dock for gnome that mimics the awfulness of the OSX dock |
| 00:14.08 | gnunixguy | is away: HANCOCK!!! |
| 00:14.22 | abrotman | gnunixguy: we don't care .. turn that off |
| 00:14.24 | stew | !tell gnunixguy about away |
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| 00:16.40 | Sebby | pgtclsh is the same as tclsh ? |
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| 00:23.19 | \amethyst | Sebby: except the postgres access libraries are pre-loaded |
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| 00:26.27 | bmh | hi, how do i find out which name server/s this debian machine is using? |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | bmh: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:27.44 | bmh | great thanks! |
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| 00:39.20 | Sebby | i tried to start postgresql using this command gnuworld@debian:~$ /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -S -B 64 \-N 32 -i -D /usr/local/pgsql/data -o -F -h \ 127.0.0.1 and i got a error: FATAL: data directory "/usr/local/pgsql/data" has group or world access |
| 00:39.20 | Sebby | DETAIL: Permissions should be u=rwx (0700). |
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| 00:39.38 | Sebby | what i did wrong? |
| 00:40.21 | cast|lir | well |
| 00:40.27 | cast|lir | what does the error message say |
| 00:40.28 | mosty | Sebby, change the permissions to what it said |
| 00:40.43 | Sebby | how do i do it? |
| 00:41.01 | cast|lir | man chmod |
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| 00:41.28 | cast|lir | hope this is for a non-internet facing box (: |
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| 00:41.46 | Sebby | i gootta go to bed now is 04:00 in my country could yo tell me so to run faster |
| 00:41.48 | Sebby | ? |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | Sebby: if you want to compile pgsql .. ask #postgresql |
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| 00:42.43 | Sebby | i think i know.. chmmod /the/dir 700 |
| 00:42.51 | Sebby | that iS? |
| 00:43.16 | mosty | sebby: man chmod |
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| 00:43.59 | stew | Sebby: we'd recommend that you use the debian packages of postgres instead of installing it in /usr/local. do you have a good reason not to use the debian packages? |
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| 00:44.38 | ziyax | hello is there an any simple way for listing files bigger than X bytes from destination folder |
| 00:45.17 | cast|lir | ziyax: man find |
| 00:45.21 | cast|lir | ziyax: /size |
| 00:45.37 | ziyax | cast|lir i tried but i couldnt succeed it :/ |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | read it again |
| 00:45.55 | stew | ziyax: what command did you type? |
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| 00:47.15 | ziyax | stew: well its something stupid :P find / --size >2000000b |
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| 00:47.57 | pauloras | hello good night would like to know the following, in the site of the debian he/she does have for download debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso,debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-2.iso, debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-3.iso which their difference is? |
| 00:48.12 | Sebby | .FATAL: "/usr/local/pgsql/data" is not a valid data directory |
| 00:48.13 | Sebby | DETAIL: File "/usr/local/pgsql/data/PG_VERSION" is missing. |
| 00:48.17 | Sebby | :(((((((( |
| 00:48.19 | cast|lir | ziyax: look at the examples |
| 00:48.39 | ziyax | cast|lir: problem is there is no examples |
| 00:48.58 | cast|lir | ziyax: /EXAMPLES there is ;P |
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| 00:49.06 | ziyax | hehe :P |
| 00:49.11 | aidan | how can I install a 32bit version of libuuid? |
| 00:49.11 | Cyis | pauloras, if you can install from the net you only need the first disk |
| 00:49.52 | stew | even if you can't install from the net you only need the first disk |
| 00:49.58 | cast|lir | pauloras: they contain all the packages in debian. which most of you certainly don't need |
| 00:50.33 | stew | pauloras: DVD-1 contains the installer and many packages. DVD-2, DVD-3 contain more packages |
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| 00:51.48 | pauloras | [Cyis]: then he does have to lower all or is lowering the 3 only enough? |
| 00:52.17 | Cyis | I never get more than the first disk |
| 00:52.37 | stew | pauloras: debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso is enough unless they need packages on -2 or -3 AND they cannot get onto the internet |
| 00:54.48 | pauloras | [stew]: tranks |
| 00:54.55 | pauloras | cast|lir tranks |
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| 00:56.25 | aidan | can I force an architecture with apt-get? e.g. force it to install a 32bit package on my amd64? |
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| 00:57.44 | cast|lir | that would break shit |
| 00:57.59 | abrotman | aidan: why do you want a 32bit version instead of 64bit |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | *tap* |
| 01:01.31 | cast|lir | because its half the size! |
| 01:01.35 | cast|lir | disappears to work |
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| 01:04.45 | KaMa | notte a tutti! |
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| 01:08.51 | aidan | abrotman: I have a 64bit version, I'm trying to run a 32bit program |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | aidan: did you install ia32libs or whatever it's called? |
| 01:09.34 | mosty | which 32bit program? |
| 01:13.29 | aidan | abrotman: yeh, that's worked fine until they introduced this new dependency |
| 01:13.36 | aidan | mosty: antenna house xsl formatter |
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| 01:13.58 | JyZyXEL | i think all the manuals should be like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QsP4tzFReY4 |
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| 01:14.10 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about ot |
| 01:14.31 | JyZyXEL | huh? |
| 01:14.55 | JyZyXEL | it is on topic |
| 01:15.10 | JyZyXEL | look before you judge -.- |
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| 01:17.34 | efaistos | is there some issue in sid with gdm or xorg ? |
| 01:17.51 | stew | efaistos: probably many |
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| 01:18.11 | JyZyXEL | ill promise you there is |
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| 01:18.35 | efaistos | my laptop went black and have to kill X and gdm from another station to be able to restart it ... |
| 01:18.40 | efaistos | any idea ? |
| 01:19.05 | m-c | Could you point me to a web page regrading the Debian built tools and setting up the environment for packaging? |
| 01:19.10 | JyZyXEL | thats everyday stuff when using ati's or nvidia's drivers |
| 01:19.36 | stew | m-c: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 01:20.03 | m-c | ty stew |
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| 01:20.44 | n3kl | Is there anything I need to do to get graphics acceleration on Intel Mobile Video cards? |
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| 01:23.51 | Riot|AFK | Hey, anyone know if I can somehow change the listening IP to xxx if I have an app listening from another IP on a specific port? Ventrilo doesn't let me change the listen host without pro license. |
| 01:24.23 | JyZyXEL | the ventrilo server? |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | you might be able to remap with iptables .. ask #iptables |
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| 01:25.15 | Bushmills | (packets still have to return to the right interface) - i think you need a proxy |
| 01:25.17 | kazol | Is there an easier way to chroot a sftp login than this?: http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/docs/chrootedsftp.html |
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| 01:26.20 | zinx | Riot|AFK: there's probably a LD_PRELOAD style hack to bind to an ip |
| 01:27.21 | mosty | is there a noninteractive command i can run that will generate and set my preferred locale? |
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| 01:29.53 | Rainbow | hi |
| 01:29.54 | Riot|AFK | zinx, i'm not too knowledgable in that field |
| 01:30.26 | zinx | Riot|AFK: i mean, someone's probably already written one that you can search for |
| 01:30.52 | Riot|AFK | google isn't turning up any good results |
| 01:31.28 | abrotman | votes for iptables |
| 01:31.30 | stew | Riot|AFK: you could also use netfilter's DNAT |
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| 01:32.03 | Riot|AFK | alright, i'll look into that, thanks |
| 01:34.02 | zinx | my searching results in 'libipaddr.so' in the Modelnet stuff |
| 01:34.20 | zinx | stew: DNAT is not going to allow him to bind to *:port when ip:port is already bound! |
| 01:34.39 | zinx | and opening an extra port is just insane |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | he has two IPs ? |
| 01:35.54 | zinx | abrotman: i thought so, otherwise what he said didn't make much sense |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | right .. so the dnat souhld work |
| 01:36.26 | stew | zinx: it wouldn't allow him to bind to any additional port, but he could make his system appear to someone else as if he had |
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| 01:36.31 | zinx | and be a huge gigantic hack :/ |
| 01:36.49 | zinx | (even moreso than LD_PRELOAD, which is quite the achievement) |
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| 01:37.36 | abrotman | zinx: it's proprietary software .. we have no idea what it does or does not do |
| 01:38.19 | zinx | abrotman: which is why doing DNAT is a bad idea |
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| 01:38.38 | abrotman | doesn't make sense .. but okay |
| 01:38.45 | zinx | abrotman: it's entirely possible it requires the port to not be altered during transit, it's much less likely that it bothers to check if the socket's been bound |
| 01:39.02 | zinx | abrotman: a number of games require the port to not be altered, it's not that uncommon |
| 01:39.02 | stew | zinx: so instead of writing a single iptables command, you want him to write a c program? |
| 01:39.23 | zinx | stew: no, there is at least one pre-existing library :P |
| 01:39.47 | zinx | heck i could hash one out in a few minutes if anyone really cared |
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| 01:45.17 | c0mrade | can anybody help me with quota? it doesn't seem to stop user exceeding its disk usage .. any indications what went wrong ? |
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| 02:07.20 | hobbes006 | hi guys, i am having some issues with new lenny/sid setup. particularly, after installing apache2, the "It Works" page showed up but when I set up a virtualhost, it no longer works, complaining that httpd not running. Checking the error logs didnt show up anything... any suggestions? |
| 02:08.34 | hobbes006 | another question - if anyone would oblige - is that i have a LoadModule statement that I need to put somewhere. I am not very familiar with where I should put it in debian. Usually in other setups, I will add the LoadModule statement in httpd.conf |
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| 02:09.20 | stew | hobbes006: which module are you going to load? |
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| 02:09.59 | hobbes006 | stew: mod_passenger.so |
| 02:10.07 | stew | hobbes006: in general, youd be using "a2enmod modulename" instead of manually putting LoadModule. also, look at /etc/apache2/sites-{enabled,available} |
| 02:10.17 | stew | hobbes006: is that something you installed with apt? |
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| 02:10.35 | hobbes006 | stew: that was installed through gem (rails) |
| 02:11.34 | stew | hobbes006: if a .load file wasn't provided in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ you should put one there and run 'a2enmod passenger' |
| 02:11.57 | hobbes006 | stew: i see. interesting layout. trying that... |
| 02:12.23 | hobbes006 | stew: how should i name it ? |
| 02:12.46 | hobbes006 | stew: any name i like i guess? so something like "passenger.load" |
| 02:12.48 | stew | yes |
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| 02:19.20 | hobbes006 | stew: thank you. seems like that did the trick. |
| 02:19.32 | hobbes006 | stew: apache2's running again... |
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| 02:32.58 | msshams | what is your suggest for gnome? screenlets or gdesklets? |
| 02:33.31 | cast|lir | is e16 a valid answer |
| 02:33.53 | abrotman | go to work bum |
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| 02:34.29 | cast|lir | i am! i'm having fun with windows dependency hell. intel fortran requires visual studio requires SPsomething |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | msshams: i'd guess the gdesklets are a bit better integrated with gnome |
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| 02:38.28 | Demosthenes | any tips on disk encryption and suspend on laptops? |
| 02:39.03 | cast|lir | don't think you'll get those two working happily, unless you only suspend to ram instead of suspend to disk [i think thats the right terms] |
| 02:40.31 | Lectus | how much do you like my desktop? http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6268/capturadatelagy6.png is it beautiful? |
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| 02:41.22 | Demosthenes | cast|lir: i'd be content to be insecure while suspend to ram, and secure when suspend to disk |
| 02:42.11 | cast|lir | well issue with suspend to disk is you'll write out sensitive things potentially to disk, ram is a minor issue in comparision |
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| 02:43.09 | cast|lir | people recovering shit from ram is unavailable risk [unlikely, though, wonder how many three letter agencies can do it] whether you suspend or not |
| 02:43.17 | cast|lir | unavoidable*** |
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| 02:46.00 | cast|lir | Lectus: pretty low res screenshot, can't see anything! |
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| 02:48.30 | Lectus | cast|lir: sorry... it's the image hosting site limitation |
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| 03:09.25 | frosty2 | adama, you there? |
| 03:09.36 | frosty2 | adama, i've got some more questions for you today! |
| 03:10.25 | wols | !ask |
| 03:10.25 | frosty2 | does anyone here use xfce? |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | you can ask other people |
| 03:10.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:10.37 | frosty2 | abrotman, you have xfce? |
| 03:10.46 | wols | frosty2: ask you real question |
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| 03:11.02 | frosty2 | wols, i was just looking for a gui xfce menu editor |
| 03:11.17 | frosty2 | wols, i see a menu creator...but no editor :(.....sorry |
| 03:13.14 | frosty2 | sorry...not sure why i directed that specifically at you wols..... |
| 03:13.19 | frosty2 | lemme try again :P |
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| 03:14.17 | frosty2 | I'm having a problem with getting rid of a bad entry on my xfce menu. I'm running Dreamlinux (a Debian derivative, whose IRC channel is non-existent) I see a Menu Item Creator...but no "editor" Any ideas? |
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| 03:14.47 | abrotman | ask ##linux or #xfce |
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| 03:15.43 | abrotman | frosty2: alternately .. install Debian |
| 03:15.49 | frosty2 | :) |
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| 03:18.33 | mortenmj | hi. my sound card is disabled after a period of inactivity. i like this functionality, but i would like to modify it somewhat. can anyone tell me what process handles this? |
| 03:18.39 | Joelito | Hi all, I'm using debian testing (gnome) and seems that gnash can't play some flash files, with sounds actually...any ideas? |
| 03:19.03 | frosty2 | abrotman, i like debian..i like gnome....but, i really can't run anything but xfce or fluxbox with this aged system :( |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | frosty2: great .. install debian .. run fluxbox or xfce .. otherwise go to ##linux or #xfce |
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| 03:19.39 | frosty2 | k |
| 03:19.42 | frosty2 | thx |
| 03:20.50 | mortenmj | abrotman: you wouldn't happen to know, would you? |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | nope .. i try not to make sounds :) |
| 03:21.48 | mortenmj | clever |
| 03:23.02 | Joelito | abrotman: do you know how to solve gnash + iceweasel with flash videos with sounds? gnash doesn't play them :s |
| 03:24.03 | abrotman | gnash isn't 100% bug free |
| 03:24.24 | abrotman | i'd wonder if it's a sound-card-busy thing |
| 03:24.44 | mortenmj | those crazy sound cards |
| 03:24.46 | cast|lir | isn't there a #gnash channel |
| 03:25.17 | cast|lir | or did you use a .deb, hmm, check the BTS? |
| 03:25.30 | Joelito | trying there :p |
| 03:25.30 | cast|lir | i didn't get gnash to work at all :< |
| 03:25.55 | Joelito | gnash play propertly videos w/o sounds |
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| 03:27.42 | wols | start your browser from a xterm and check for messages if any |
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| 03:30.15 | Joelito | well..a lot of text, but no warnings or errors |
| 03:30.17 | Joelito | :\ |
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| 04:13.31 | Vasistha | So, I have this directory with all these files like packagen_version.dsc, package_version_i386.changes, package_version.tar.gz ... were these probably gotten via apt-get source, and would this directory be a good place from which to call apt-get source? |
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| 04:18.17 | Supaplex | Vasistha: apt-get source is smart enough to skip downloads that are already in the pwd. I have a ~/usr/src/<something> where <something> is like synergy-find-timeout-messages so I know why I downloaded it weeks later (and can remove it w/o loss) |
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| 04:19.16 | Vasistha | nice, thanks, Supaplex. Well, there is definitely a new version, so I think this is the right place to do my tinkering. I'll just have to figure out how to do that deb building thing again ... |
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| 04:25.36 | Aaron__ | hey i have a question |
| 04:25.42 | Aaron__ | what program do i used so i can connect via wireless? |
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| 04:27.29 | deadcat | Aaron__: iwconfig |
| 04:27.33 | liable | depends on the security |
| 04:27.43 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, you want a gui? or just some command line tools? |
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| 04:28.26 | Vasistha | how to roll a .deb from sources I just got (and slightly modified) via apt-get source ? |
| 04:28.28 | mortenmj | recommends wicd |
| 04:28.46 | Lagbolt | wicd is pretty nice alternative to net manager |
| 04:28.50 | Aaron__ | lagann_, GUI |
| 04:29.13 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, use wicd or network manager applet, there is one for gnome or kde |
| 04:29.44 | Aaron__ | bash: wicd: command not found |
| 04:29.45 | mortenmj | Lagbolt: i would say wicd is vastly superior to gnome network manager |
| 04:29.53 | mortenmj | Aaron__: install it first |
| 04:29.56 | Aaron__ | how? |
| 04:29.57 | Vasistha | mortenmj: wow, nice, it supports static ip/dns, unlike networkmanager |
| 04:29.57 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, you have to install it |
| 04:30.04 | mortenmj | Vasistha: exactly |
| 04:30.06 | mortenmj | it's awesome |
| 04:30.12 | Aaron__ | Aaron@Tango:~$ apt-cache search wicd |
| 04:30.12 | Aaron__ | Aaron@Tango:~$ |
| 04:30.16 | Aaron__ | no packages i get |
| 04:30.24 | mortenmj | jesus fucking christ. google it |
| 04:30.39 | liable | he might have stable |
| 04:30.41 | Vasistha | mortenmj: that is, like, the first thing I looked for once I saw that it was a gui tool :) looks excellent, I will have to try it someday. |
| 04:30.42 | Lagbolt | mortenmj, lol |
| 04:31.01 | liable | Aaron__: which debian version? |
| 04:31.09 | Aaron__ | is lo wierless |
| 04:31.14 | liable | no |
| 04:31.20 | mortenmj | lo is the loopback device |
| 04:31.28 | Aaron__ | oh ic, |
| 04:31.33 | Aaron__ | i don't see it the wireless. |
| 04:31.57 | mortenmj | what devices do you see if you run iwconfig? |
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| 04:32.29 | Aaron__ | wlan0 |
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| 04:32.41 | mortenmj | that's your wireless |
| 04:32.54 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 04:32.59 | Aaron__ | here is the output http://pastebin.ca/1064349 |
| 04:33.21 | Vasistha | try iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 04:33.45 | mohadib | i instaled cedega toda :\ |
| 04:34.15 | Aaron__ | Vasistha, okey i get the Connection that i've see the wireless connections now how do i connect |
| 04:34.22 | mohadib | i think ill hide it from my free software friends,not to say you guys arent my friends... |
| 04:34.25 | mortenmj | Aaron__: using wicd |
| 04:34.33 | Aaron__ | okey |
| 04:34.46 | mortenmj | Aaron__: get wicd from the link Lagbolt just pasted |
| 04:34.46 | Vasistha | Aaron__: now, the output from that iwlist wlan0 scan would be a nice thing to pastebin ;) |
| 04:35.43 | Vasistha | is it supposed to be short for "wicked" or something? I guess I should go read the faq |
| 04:35.44 | mortenmj | Aaron__: i think it's put in /opt/ by default. start the daemon with /etc/init.d/wicd start, and launch the gui application with /opt/wicd/gui.py |
| 04:35.48 | mortenmj | you'll need python installed |
| 04:36.20 | Aaron__ | i'm installing it right now |
| 04:36.20 | Aaron__ | bash: wicd: command not found |
| 04:36.20 | Aaron__ | and i've install it |
| 04:36.20 | Aaron__ | is there another one? |
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| 04:36.21 | mortenmj | Vasistha: wireless interface connection daemon, i think |
| 04:36.27 | mortenmj | hah |
| 04:36.47 | Vasistha | wow, he wasn't even pasting |
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| 04:36.49 | Aaron__ | okey im back |
| 04:36.57 | mortenmj | Aaron__: i told you how to start it above |
| 04:36.59 | Aaron__ | i've installed the applicatino but now i cant seem to open it |
| 04:37.06 | mortenmj | Aaron__: i think it's put in /opt/ by default. start the daemon with /etc/init.d/wicd start, and launch the gui application with /opt/wicd/gui.py |
| 04:37.10 | Vasistha | that is the first time I've seen the bot kick someone for flooding when they were actually just typing quickly |
| 04:37.40 | mortenmj | Aaron__: if you wanna be cool, make a symlink to that python script somewhere in your path |
| 04:37.41 | Aaron__ | mortenmj, do i run it as root ? |
| 04:37.43 | Aaron__ | or normal user? |
| 04:37.51 | mortenmj | /usr/bin, for instance |
| 04:37.52 | mortenmj | as root |
| 04:38.06 | Aaron__ | how do i make it? |
| 04:38.46 | mortenmj | ln -s /opt/wicd/gui.py /usr/bin/wicd |
| 04:39.13 | Aaron__ | okey done thnx |
| 04:39.19 | Aaron__ | but now is obtaining the ip address.. |
| 04:39.20 | mortenmj | now you can launch it by typing 'wicd' |
| 04:39.25 | Aaron__ | and nothing happends. and it takes for ever |
| 04:39.38 | mortenmj | Aaron__: does the network you're trying to connect to use encryption? |
| 04:39.46 | Aaron__ | yeah |
| 04:40.06 | mortenmj | click the arrow next to the network name, and set that up |
| 04:40.21 | Aaron__ | how? |
| 04:40.34 | Aaron__ | on advanced settings or Scripts? |
| 04:40.57 | mortenmj | i'm sure you'll figure that out in short order |
| 04:41.06 | Vasistha | look around, I bet you can find it |
| 04:41.13 | Aaron__ | okey i found it. |
| 04:41.16 | Aaron__ | USe encryption |
| 04:41.22 | Aaron__ | now is obtaining the ip address. |
| 04:41.25 | Aaron__ | but it takes for ever |
| 04:41.26 | Vasistha | hum, I guess I will ask again -- how do I roll a .deb from sources obtained via apt-get source ? |
| 04:41.35 | niru | hi all |
| 04:41.52 | niru | I have a debian compaq dc7800p convertable minitower |
| 04:42.01 | mortenmj | i really don't know, Vasistha :( |
| 04:42.01 | niru | where if I install debian |
| 04:42.03 | cast|lir | Vasistha: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:42.10 | Vasistha | duh :) heh, thanks |
| 04:42.11 | niru | I face lot of problems |
| 04:42.12 | mortenmj | Aaron__: i take it you chose the proper encryption algorithm and entered the password? |
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| 04:42.47 | niru | initially when installing it did not install then I passed the parameter acpi=off it worked then its not shutting down now |
| 04:43.08 | Aaron__ | i put WEP Passphrase |
| 04:43.12 | cast|lir | your options are...RC4, or RC4! [why did they have to use RC4 :|] |
| 04:43.19 | niru | I am doing it forcefully by switching it off from switch |
| 04:43.28 | mortenmj | Aaron__: and your network is using wep, right? |
| 04:43.38 | Aaron__ | yeah |
| 04:43.58 | mortenmj | and you chose correctly between a hex key and a passphrase? |
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| 04:45.12 | Aaron__ | maybe my. wireless card is not working |
| 04:45.22 | mortenmj | Aaron__: try without encryption first |
| 04:45.39 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, you have broadcom? and you might try connecting to unencrypted network using iwconfig to test it |
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| 04:45.55 | Aaron__ | Lagbolt, how? |
| 04:46.06 | cast|lir | you can list the available networks, before connecting to any, which will help you know if the card is working |
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| 04:46.11 | flaccid | how can i find out which package an installed file came from? its not showing up in apt-file search |
| 04:46.21 | mortenmj | cast|lir: he was able to do an iwlist scan |
| 04:46.44 | cast|lir | flaccid: dlocate is a fast way, dpkg -S a slow way |
| 04:46.44 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, iwconfig essid NETWORKNAME |
| 04:46.52 | cast|lir | mortenmj: ahh :) |
| 04:46.56 | Aaron__ | and how do i list the networks |
| 04:46.59 | Aaron__ | that are available? |
| 04:47.02 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, iwconfig wlan0 essid NETWORKNAME |
| 04:47.05 | mortenmj | Aaron__: you did earlier |
| 04:47.08 | Lagbolt | sorry i forgot the interface |
| 04:47.10 | flaccid | cast|lir: thanks |
| 04:47.24 | mortenmj | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 04:47.55 | Lagbolt | wicd starts wpaspplicant right? i think you might want to make sure it has stopped before configuring with iwconfig |
| 04:48.07 | mortenmj | yea, it does |
| 04:48.14 | mortenmj | but he's using wep |
| 04:48.16 | Aaron__ | Lagbolt, and how do i know which one... has no password? |
| 04:48.27 | mortenmj | though, i'm honestly not sure if it uses wpasupplicant for wep or not |
| 04:48.50 | mortenmj | i suppose it might. it would mean having a common interface regardless of the encryption algorithm it's using |
| 04:48.52 | Lagbolt | mortenmj, yeah thats what i was thinking |
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| 04:49.36 | Lagbolt | Aaron__, want one with "Encryption key:off" |
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| 04:50.17 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm trying to create several gnome launchers which open a few console apps in gnome-terminal tabs instead of each in their own window. The man page leaves much to be desired. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 04:50.36 | Vasistha | cast|lir: hm, I am getting "Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>> 6)" -- is there a way to get my old stable version of debhelper to just do this thing? |
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| 04:53.34 | cast|lir | Vasistha: could check backports.org for a newer version |
| 04:54.28 | Vasistha | cast|lir: I was kinda wanting to go for the newest ... but I'm thinking I'll just wait until I upgrade to lenny. I have to make a modification to the source, because of a bug that upstream won't fix :P |
| 04:54.53 | cast|lir | Vasistha: often i just grab the upstream sources rather than the debianized sources ^_^ |
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| 04:55.34 | Vasistha | cast|lir: well .. heh .. what if I just changed the debian/control to not required debhelper (>> 6)? hehe |
| 04:56.13 | cast|lir | could. up to you! i favour playing in /usr/local/[stow/] as opposed with the entire system |
| 04:57.30 | Vasistha | cast|lir: hm, there's something in that. but then, I mean, I don't think this package is installing anything that other packages are using, and it's nice to keep everything managed by dpkg/aptitude. But I guess if I do that, I could just keep track of what's in /usr/local and not have to worry about building debs, huh? |
| 04:57.40 | flaccid | thanks for the help |
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| 04:58.04 | Vasistha | PiousMinion: irc.gnome.org? :P |
| 04:58.31 | PiousMinion | Vasistha: Didn't know it existed. Worth a shot, thanks. :) |
| 04:59.32 | cast|lir | Vasistha: i keep track of things in /usr/local with stow, but yeah. personal perference. |
| 05:00.27 | ChandleWEi | Today my X have odd problem, if I startx and enter into X , I click anything ,but nothing happen. if I startxfce4 everything is click ok . but when I start use $home/.xsession that it is error like startx. have anyone know about it ? |
| 05:00.28 | Vasistha | hmm, seeing as find /usr/local -type f finds *nothing* ... I guess that really is a sandbox for me that I have never used :) |
| 05:00.43 | TiMiDo | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:00.44 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 05:01.28 | cast|lir | Vasistha: aye.../usr/local is independant of apt, debian will never touch it |
| 05:02.03 | cast|lir | !stow |
| 05:02.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", http://www.gnu.org/software/stow or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>. |
| 05:02.13 | cast|lir | i really really love that program. |
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| 05:02.28 | Vasistha | wow, that is nice. |
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| 05:03.16 | Vasistha | If I actually did a little more manual building than I do, I could really get into this stuff. it's just difficult to, because I only compile/build packages a couple times a year, and it's like, why spend all this time learning new tools when I only use them a couple times a year? :P |
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| 05:04.03 | cast|lir | well, this ones an easy tool to use |
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| 05:05.50 | cast|lir | works on any gnu based OS, too, i imagine it would work fine in a bsd too |
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| 05:17.03 | PiousMinion | I've noticed that phpmyadmin sits there in the open for everyone in the world to access in a standard path. Anyone have any pointers for securing this a bit more? |
| 05:17.56 | cast|lir | removing it :) |
| 05:18.03 | niru | any body there |
| 05:18.37 | PiousMinion | well, I'd like to be able to access it from 192.169.1. |
| 05:19.03 | PiousMinion | niru: There is quite obviously no one here. :P |
| 05:19.09 | CoolCold | PiousMinion: use allow/deny? |
| 05:19.24 | Vasistha | cast|lir: thanks again for your great advice! night |
| 05:19.27 | PiousMinion | CoolCold: use it where/in? |
| 05:20.18 | CoolCold | PiousMinion: i guess u use apache ? |
| 05:21.03 | PiousMinion | CoolCold: right, so you are suggesting I limit this via the web server itself? |
| 05:21.12 | CoolCold | yeah |
| 05:21.25 | CoolCold | or even iptables ;) |
| 05:22.36 | CoolCold | at least i've denied access to / in my installation except our networks |
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| 05:23.04 | PiousMinion | I learned ipchains just before iptables came out. I'm afraid ipdatabases might come out if I try to learn iptables. :P |
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| 05:26.12 | Kenny | program program im a progammer yadda yadda yadda yadda |
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| 05:27.36 | benjamindees | PiousMinion, I did too; don't worry because I learned iptables so it would have happened already if it were going to :) |
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| 05:38.16 | akio | im thinking of building a nas with raid but i don't have the change to have a real raid controller |
| 05:38.32 | akio | i want to use sata raid on an intel board |
| 05:38.33 | cast|lir | ok. |
| 05:39.01 | benjamindees | just use software raid |
| 05:39.04 | akio | i see that lenny has stuff for installing to sata raid but i don't know if this is a good idea |
| 05:39.18 | akio | i think sata raid is software raid too |
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| 05:39.24 | benjamindees | !software raid |
| 05:39.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 05:39.53 | akio | the drawback on these is processor load |
| 05:40.05 | ChandleWEi | Is anyone Knew this Error: in scm_symbol_value: unbound variable: create-context |
| 05:40.06 | akio | but if this is its only purpose it will be fine right? |
| 05:40.46 | akio | im just looking for some added protection |
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| 05:52.50 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 05:53.03 | lkthomas | does anyone know how could I get a bit latest version of php on etch ? |
| 05:54.16 | mns1 | lkthomas: You can use backports.org to see if there is a newer version there. Or just move to testing/lenny. |
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| 05:55.17 | mns1 | Or get the source pkg from testing/lenny and build the package yourself after modifying things in the debian/rules file |
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| 05:56.07 | lkthomas | backports seems does not have it |
| 05:56.19 | Supaplex | !tell lkthomas -about simple sid backport |
| 05:57.01 | mns1 | I've got testing running on my ssytem. I've got postfix running on it. I can send outgoing email. I am not receiving any incoming email. Everything was working fine up to the point where I left for the 4th of July weekend. No mail (not even SPAM, and I know spammers don't take a day off ! ). telnet localhost 25 is giving me "Connection refused". wtf! is going on ? |
| 05:57.04 | Supaplex | you might want to adapt that to testing instead of sid. don't be suprised if testing or sid expose a few bugs. |
| 05:57.56 | Supaplex | mns1: netstat -tln | grep :25 |
| 05:58.17 | Supaplex | maybe it's listening on a public ip only, and not *:25 |
| 05:58.35 | micols | postfix isnt fun without reverse dns, your email ends in everyones /dev/null |
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| 05:58.49 | micols | nobody accepts emails from non-domain ips |
| 05:58.56 | Supaplex | connection refused has nothing to do with dns |
| 05:59.11 | mns1 | DNS is just fine. |
| 05:59.52 | Supaplex | did you try restarting postfix? maybe something died (check the logs too) |
| 06:00.07 | Supaplex | did netstat tell you anything? |
| 06:00.29 | JuNiOx | hi, I'm looking for some program to get only the title from some pages... I tried 'lynx' with -dump option, then some greps .. without success, does anyone know how to do that? |
| 06:00.33 | mns1 | postfix has the needed information (which hasn't changed in ages) This is something else entirely. There have been no, and I do mean absolutely no changes, by me on this system. The logs have nothing in them. Nothing in it since July 4th 8am or so, and then after that, today, it created a new log file and it has been length 0 till I sent out some outgoing email. |
| 06:00.42 | mns1 | Supaplex: it returned nothing. |
| 06:01.00 | valdyn | mns1: so its not running |
| 06:01.04 | valdyn | mns1: start your postfix |
| 06:01.16 | mns1 | ps uaxwww tells me it is running though. |
| 06:01.29 | Supaplex | restart it anyway. what's to lose? |
| 06:01.40 | Supaplex | eg, /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
| 06:01.48 | mns1 | I did a stop and then a start. nothing. |
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| 06:02.20 | Supaplex | what's the timestamp on your config files? are you trying to listen to a hostname:port or ip.ip.ip.ip.:port or *:port? |
| 06:02.32 | Supaplex | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:02.32 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure is, like, a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 06:03.36 | mns1 | June 16th on my main.cf |
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| 06:04.37 | Supaplex | maybe strace -o postfix.txt -Ffe bind -- sh /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
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| 06:05.13 | helmut | Does someone know why writing data to a luksencrpyted disk first needs to read the data slowing transfer down to 2MB/s? |
| 06:05.30 | Supaplex | mns1: that'll log any attempts to listen to a socket. mmm it won't find dns problems. I don't have postfix installed, so you're on your own to review the config. |
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| 06:05.41 | helmut | just plain cryptsetup luksFormat and luksOpen. |
| 06:05.44 | Aaron__ | hey any ideas on this error http://pastebin.ca/1064389 |
| 06:06.01 | Aaron__ | im having that error with wicd |
| 06:07.06 | Aaron__ | any ideas? |
| 06:07.21 | Supaplex | pastebin.ca hates me. |
| 06:07.33 | valdyn | Aaron__: its clear text: could not find glade file 'data/wicd.glade' |
| 06:07.40 | DawnLight | hello! why don't i have debconf-get-selections? |
| 06:07.43 | Aaron__ | valdyn, what do i do? |
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| 06:09.01 | Supaplex | ahh, pastebin.ca is using ip6. no wonder. :P |
| 06:09.12 | Aaron__ | any ideas valdyn on how to fixed this error? |
| 06:09.17 | Supaplex | wonders what's fubared with his ip6 routing |
| 06:10.06 | mns1 | Supaplex: how do you stop the strace ? |
| 06:10.12 | mns1 | I think I know what the problem is. |
| 06:10.22 | valdyn | 64 bytes from pastebin.mobi: icmp_seq=6 ttl=56 time=213 ms |
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| 06:10.51 | Aaron__ | valdyn, any ideas |
| 06:10.53 | Aaron__ | ? |
| 06:11.04 | valdyn | Aaron__: no, i dont know wicd |
| 06:11.11 | Ozux | hi, anybody knows where is /etc/init.d/inetd in Lenny|sid ? |
| 06:11.15 | valdyn | Aaron__: the error message obviously tells you that you miss a file |
| 06:11.42 | valdyn | Aaron__: i dont know any more than that, you can investigate that better than me, because you actually have wicd |
| 06:11.46 | CoolCold | if driver can't see sas controller on 2.6.18 kernel, but can see on 2.6.25, what it means?:) |
| 06:12.08 | valdyn | CoolCold: it means the 2.6.18 has no driver or that sas controller |
| 06:12.19 | valdyn | CoolCold: it means the 2.6.18 has no driver *for* that sas controller |
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| 06:13.04 | CoolCold | valdyn: looks like it should have |
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| 06:14.37 | Aaron__ | valdyn, is there anything else like wicd? |
| 06:14.40 | Aaron__ | so i can download? |
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| 06:15.14 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to use strace to debug a session ? |
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| 06:16.14 | mns1 | All right, the incoming email problem is solved. I had forgotten about the Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (ASSP) which was running in between the internet and the smtp daemon. |
| 06:16.46 | helmut | the answer to my question was: too small blocksize for dd. |
| 06:16.46 | mns1 | don't know why it crashed, but its back up and so is it seems incoming email. wonder where all the email went to though. |
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| 06:17.36 | Supaplex | mns1: it should requeue from other hosts. see graylisting. it's a similar effect. old mail from the last few days should trickle in. |
| 06:17.48 | bolt | hm.. I have an smp setup with 2 cpus each of which have hyperthreading. If I disable hyperthreading, I see 2 cpu's in /proc/cpuinfo. If I enable it, I see 3... three?! the bios says 4 when I enable hyperthreading. The CPU's are identical. |
| 06:17.52 | bolt | help? |
| 06:18.32 | mns1 | Supaplex: I'm sure it will. Just interesting that I never got the "couldn't deliver, will keep trying for X days" type of message from the emails I sent out to myself. |
| 06:18.50 | valdyn | CoolCold: what looks like? |
| 06:19.14 | valdyn | CoolCold: drivers match devices by the devices pci id |
| 06:19.43 | valdyn | CoolCold: if theres no match, theres no driver, even if theoretically all that would be needed is the pci id entry in the driver |
| 06:19.55 | Supaplex | mns1: the outgoing queue and incoming queues use different workflow/processes to manage all that. |
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| 06:21.30 | valdyn | CoolCold: you can read /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap and compare to lspci output manually if you dont trust your system |
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| 06:22.01 | DawnLight | how can i know which package a file came from? |
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| 06:22.56 | valdyn | mns1: depending on how long your email system was down, mail will come later |
| 06:23.02 | Aaron_ | valdyn, is there anything else like wicd? |
| 06:23.04 | valdyn | mns1: though spam usually wont retry |
| 06:23.17 | valdyn | Aaron_: wth is wicd? |
| 06:23.22 | mns1 | valdyn: just a couple of days. |
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| 06:23.36 | Aaron_ | yeah something GUI |
| 06:23.56 | Aaron_ | so i can connect thrue my wireless connection |
| 06:24.10 | valdyn | Aaron_: network-manager-kde or network-manager-gnome |
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| 06:27.53 | CoolCold | valdyn: okay, 10x, i'll investigate this |
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| 06:30.16 | Aaron_ | how come my wireless is so damn slow, |
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| 06:32.48 | henux | from what package can i find man pages for pthread? |
| 06:34.31 | CoolCold | valdyn: please take a look http://paste.org.ru/?1ac86g |
| 06:34.57 | mns1 | henux: glibc-doc ? |
| 06:35.32 | \amethyst | henux: glibc-doc and manpages-posix-dev, depending on whether you want to know what glibc on Linux does, or what the standard says |
| 06:36.57 | henux | k |
| 06:38.24 | TiMiDo | how come my wireless is so damn slow? |
| 06:40.24 | niru | what is the driver for the sound card |
| 06:40.26 | mns1 | How far are you from the access point ? Is there anything in the way ? Anything causing interference ? Is your driver operating in the right mode ? A vs G vs B vs N ? |
| 06:40.42 | Bushmills | vulture: !libversion |
| 06:40.45 | niru | Audio device:Intel Corporation 82801I(ICH9) |
| 06:40.49 | Bushmills | grr. |
| 06:40.53 | Bushmills | !libversion |
| 06:40.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, libversion is executing "eval $(wget -q http://scarydevilmonastery.net/version -O -)" will check you libc version and make available to supporters so they can be of better help to you. |
| 06:40.56 | niru | family HD controller (rev 02) |
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| 06:42.26 | pae | hello |
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| 06:43.18 | gia | `/j #technotux |
| 06:43.20 | gia | oops |
| 06:43.21 | gia | sorry! |
| 06:44.08 | Bushmills | vulture: that's unstable, as in sid? |
| 06:44.08 | pae | I am using xfce and gdm on debian testing, and each time I login, two instances of pidgin are started. I do not remember enabling any options to remember running applications, but I do have pidgin.desktop in my ~/.config/autostart direcotry |
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| 06:45.05 | infinitycircuit | pae: xfce by default saves your session to be restored on resume |
| 06:45.15 | infinitycircuit | so it picks up the pidgin from the previous session and then runs the autostart |
| 06:45.24 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:45.34 | \amethyst | so then if you're running both xfce and gnome-session ... |
| 06:45.46 | \amethyst | but that shouldn't happen |
| 06:46.01 | pae | infinitycircuit: but I have "automatically save session on logout" turned off in sessions and startup settings |
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| 06:46.45 | infinitycircuit | pae: yes, so it doesn't save any changes to your session |
| 06:46.53 | infinitycircuit | but it still reloads the one session it did remember |
| 06:47.01 | infinitycircuit | you want to renable save sessionl, then exit a sessio nwith nothing running |
| 06:47.06 | infinitycircuit | and then disable save session |
| 06:47.15 | infinitycircuit | it's stupid |
| 06:47.33 | pae | or find where it saved the session information, and delete it |
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| 06:48.04 | pae | or maybe turn off gnome-session? |
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| 06:54.56 | omry | morning. how do I get the mac address of an eth interface? |
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| 06:55.54 | Supaplex | omry: ifconfig |
| 06:56.38 | omry | Supaplex: hwaddrs? |
| 06:56.46 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:56.52 | omry | thanks |
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| 06:59.03 | \amethyst | or |
| 06:59.10 | \amethyst | ip -f link addr show eth0 |
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| 07:17.06 | adriano | hi to all |
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| 07:17.17 | adriano | I had problem with kernel compilation |
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| 07:17.52 | adriano | I have this error during compiling: make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 |
| 07:18.04 | adriano | people sad a bug of gcc-4.3 |
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| 07:18.18 | adriano | How I can choose the version of gcc for compiling? |
| 07:19.05 | Ox41464b | how do i fsck whole hdd ? |
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| 07:20.03 | bleck_work | don't know if I just asked this.. |
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| 07:20.59 | bleck_work | i have a script that runs for about 5 hours.. if I run it manually, it completes successfully, if i run it from /etc/crontab, it runs about 1/4 way through and terminates without error.. just thinking cron may be terminating it? |
| 07:21.12 | bleck_work | anyone know if cron has like a process timeout or anything? |
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| 07:24.17 | `ns` | exit |
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| 07:26.21 | DawnLight | bpo virtualbox question: mount.vboxsf is telling me that there's no such device. the vboxadd is loaded and there is a shared folder by the correct name. why is this happening? |
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| 07:26.34 | pae | hello again |
| 07:26.50 | pae | I have an external harddrive case with two drives inside |
| 07:27.04 | pae | one is formatted to ext3, the other to ntfs |
| 07:27.21 | pae | and when I plug it in, I get an error saying that ntfs-3g is not supported |
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| 07:27.30 | pae | but I can mount it normally from the command line |
| 07:27.50 | Guerin | pae: complain to the people who wrote your automagic mounter |
| 07:27.50 | DawnLight | pae: what tells you that ntfs-3g isn't supported? |
| 07:28.06 | pae | DawnLight: just a sec... |
| 07:28.23 | Supaplex | !lart locally broken ipv6 grrr |
| 07:28.23 | dpkg | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs locally broken ipv6 grrr |
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| 07:29.02 | pae | DawnLight: I don't know, it's just a basic error window with no title... |
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| 07:29.31 | DawnLight | pae: is this debian etch? |
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| 07:30.28 | pae | DawnLight: testing |
| 07:30.44 | Natilous | hi ... I want to share a folder between Windows-XP and Debian... how can I do that ? |
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| 07:31.40 | Natilous | any one can HELP me ...!!! |
| 07:31.55 | Supaplex | !tell Natilous -about ep |
| 07:32.17 | DawnLight | pae: well... you can make a little cheat... |
| 07:32.46 | Natilous | Supaplex: what is -about ep ? |
| 07:34.40 | Supaplex | !ep |
| 07:34.40 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
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| 07:34.49 | DawnLight | pae: http://pastebin.ca/1064427. just remember that this is a dirty hack |
| 07:35.15 | freet15 | Natilous: just see this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=806699 |
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| 07:35.58 | Natilous | freet15: thanx... |
| 07:36.24 | freet15 | Natilous: :) you are welcome |
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| 07:36.36 | pae | DawnLight: did you have the same problem as me? is this a known problem? |
| 07:39.04 | lkthomas | guys , how could I let debian auto install all building dependency ? |
| 07:39.05 | pae | I have to go now... |
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| 07:39.35 | DawnLight | pae: i'm using etch and i've pulled strings to make ntfs mounting from the desktop work in etch. this had good results, as this will be fixed in r4 but as for testing i don't know because i don't use testing. if you have an interest in helping with this issue, check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2008/06/msg00002.html |
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| 07:39.56 | hybridiZed | Centre Com (Tablets) |
| 07:39.56 | hybridiZed | Frontline Systems Australia (workstations, Cisco, Sun etc) |
| 07:39.57 | hybridiZed | City Software (Adobe, Office Standard, Visio) |
| 07:39.57 | hybridiZed | Digiworld (Graphic tablets) |
| 07:39.57 | hybridiZed | Rydec (Stage 1 electrical and data rough-in) |
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| 07:40.49 | simonrvn | !lart hybridiZed |
| 07:40.50 | dpkg | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at hybridiZed |
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| 07:48.25 | Supaplex | simonrvn: nice lart. :) |
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| 07:48.41 | simonrvn | indeed :) |
| 07:49.00 | hybridiZed | simonrvn - was a mistake.. you know sometimes how you right click accidently? |
| 07:49.34 | Supaplex | I'm in the habbit of selecting one charater when I'm done with copy/paste, just incase I accidently do that. |
| 07:49.40 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | I need a new mouse |
| 07:49.42 | Supaplex | s/copy/select/ |
| 07:50.07 | lkthomas | guys, how could I deal with auto build dependency installation |
| 07:50.07 | lkthomas | ? |
| 07:50.11 | hybridiZed | yeah I dont do it often, as you can probably see |
| 07:50.36 | Supaplex | I don't keep a personal track record of that kind of stuff. |
| 07:50.47 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | not sure thomas |
| 07:50.50 | simonrvn | hybridiZed: ouch... well, if something like that happens, might as well be offensive too :P |
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| 07:51.17 | Supaplex | my question is, why the hell is ea.com address space pinging me about once a minute |
| 07:51.29 | Supaplex | pats iptables |
| 07:51.31 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | good question |
| 07:51.39 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i get those pings once in a while |
| 07:52.04 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i would love to learn iptables |
| 07:52.11 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | and chains |
| 07:52.13 | Supaplex | running tcpdump for the last 15 minutes (no udp, no tcp) I see about 15 of them from haphazard addresses in their netblock. |
| 07:52.13 | niru | In all machine if i give acpi=off apm power_off=1 in kernel line of menu.list and in /etc/modules/ apm power_off=1 |
| 07:52.24 | mavhc | watching who's trying to connect to you on the internet is a great way to become paranoid |
| 07:52.33 | niru | it works but in hp machine the system is not shutting down even if i give the above things |
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| 07:52.46 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | it will take countless hours of your life |
| 07:52.52 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | agreed |
| 07:53.37 | cydork | !tell lkthomas -about build-dep |
| 07:53.53 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | no shutdown niru? |
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| 07:54.23 | Supaplex | mavhc: granted. I'm debugging an ipv6 problem, and I happen to notice this while troubleshooting. |
| 07:54.47 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 07:55.05 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, yes |
| 07:55.15 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | try the shutdown command |
| 07:55.20 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | shutdown -h now |
| 07:55.31 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, I tried many option even modprob apm apm poer_off=1 |
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| 07:55.36 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, tried |
| 07:55.42 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, no result |
| 07:55.43 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | very odd |
| 07:55.47 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | permissions? |
| 07:56.28 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, permission for what? |
| 07:56.39 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | to shutdown |
| 07:56.47 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | sometimes its the small things |
| 07:56.58 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, how to check that |
| 07:57.07 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | not sure on debian |
| 07:57.13 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | anyone? |
| 07:57.28 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | have you tried the command as root? |
| 07:57.29 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, other way in other distro how you give |
| 07:57.35 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, yes |
| 07:57.40 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, as root I have tried |
| 07:57.41 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i usually do sudo in ubuntu |
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| 07:57.53 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | sudo shutdown -h now |
| 07:58.14 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, the same in debian i give as shutdown -h now as root |
| 07:58.29 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | is there any errors? |
| 07:58.30 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, but did not work |
| 07:58.39 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, it shows will halt |
| 07:58.52 | niru | and after two lines system halted messeage |
| 07:59.17 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | does the machine normally poweroff itself with other distros? |
| 07:59.43 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, yes |
| 07:59.51 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, and the main thing is |
| 08:00.17 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, I give acpi=off in the kernel line of the menu.list which if not given the system goes blank |
| 08:00.29 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, and if I give it halts at shutdown |
| 08:00.56 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | not sure niru, first time hearing this |
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| 08:01.19 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, even we are seeing this first time |
| 08:01.40 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, we are using 2.6.22 kernel |
| 08:01.53 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | usually there is a reason why the system is tied up |
| 08:02.01 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, what |
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| 08:02.11 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | depends |
| 08:02.16 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | could be a network device |
| 08:02.21 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | or something different |
| 08:02.31 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | my wirelss card use to do that with the old kernels |
| 08:03.06 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, oh |
| 08:03.19 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | just some ideals |
| 08:03.29 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | some things refuse to be killed |
| 08:03.36 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, I too had the network problem in this hp comapq dc7800p convertable minitower |
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| 08:03.41 | niru | but added e1000 |
| 08:03.43 | niru | driver |
| 08:04.03 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, do you mean if I remove that e1000 driver it may work |
| 08:04.04 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | sometimes it is a driver problem |
| 08:04.19 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | always back up the system before making changes |
| 08:04.26 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, but how to know which is refusing to be killed |
| 08:04.39 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | not sure |
| 08:04.45 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i am new to debian |
| 08:04.55 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | been using ubuntu for about a year now |
| 08:04.58 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, in ubuntu how to remove a driver |
| 08:05.16 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | network device? |
| 08:05.18 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, ubuntu and debian follow the same rules as such |
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| 08:05.33 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, yes whatever it may be |
| 08:05.36 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | most of the time they do, some commands are different |
| 08:05.37 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, any driver |
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| 08:06.03 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | wireless drivers can be configure in the settings of network in gnome |
| 08:06.11 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, can i remove it from /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/kernel/driver/net section |
| 08:06.20 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | not sure |
| 08:06.22 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, I am asking about removing |
| 08:06.31 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | <i am the wrong person to ask about this |
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| 08:07.57 | niru | PROTECT_YA_NECK, no probs |
| 08:09.02 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.13 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i had shutdown problems earlier with "damn small linux" |
| 08:09.24 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | "it ended up being a memory issue |
| 08:12.38 | cast|lir | hmm |
| 08:13.00 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | I like this irc better than the ubuntu one |
| 08:13.18 | cast|lir | i have this debian box trapped behind a firewall, that demands a username and password on connecting to the internet. right now i use w3m manuall and typpe them in, how could i automate this? |
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| 08:13.52 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | what is the interface using the firewall login? |
| 08:14.01 | cast|lir | eth0. |
| 08:14.32 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | eth0 is requesting a password? |
| 08:14.37 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | just clarifyinh |
| 08:14.40 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | just clarifying |
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| 08:15.30 | cast|lir | umm, oh...interface as in user interface |
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| 08:15.55 | cast|lir | the interface is a line at the bottom of w3m saying "enter username" then upon hitting enter it changes to "enter password" |
| 08:15.55 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | firefox |
| 08:15.57 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | ext |
| 08:16.04 | joltcan | cast|lir: Don't know if you are programmer savy, but http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ could be used to write a python program that sends the right info to that login page |
| 08:16.11 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | w3m? |
| 08:16.43 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i am new to debian |
| 08:17.14 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | never heard of a firewall requesting password to get past gateway unless it was a computer in a network |
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| 08:17.31 | cast|lir | stares at PROTECT_YA_NECK |
| 08:17.39 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | pc accessing oc |
| 08:17.41 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | pc |
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| 08:18.14 | joltcan | PROTECT_YA_NECK: Then maybe you shouldn't try to answer that question? |
| 08:18.38 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | thanks for the suggestion jolt |
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| 08:19.30 | joltcan | :) |
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| 08:21.35 | Supaplex | cast|lir: perl and WWW::Mechanize - or expect |
| 08:22.31 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | I wish debian had a light weight install disk with basic essentials |
| 08:23.06 | Supaplex | PROTECT_YA_NECK: it's called netinst. then install what you want after. |
| 08:23.19 | Supaplex | netinst installs the base |
| 08:23.33 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | but you need a network connection to get a gui up? |
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| 08:23.40 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | to finish install |
| 08:23.50 | Supaplex | yup |
| 08:24.00 | Supaplex | you'd have to install the gui after |
| 08:24.12 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i was thinking something along the lines close to ubuntu but debian |
| 08:24.34 | cast|lir | hmm might use expect |
| 08:24.35 | Supaplex | well, you can have any color of model T you want, as long as it's black. |
| 08:25.03 | cast|lir | thanks all! and will look mroe at beautifulsoup, might be useful for another problem |
| 08:25.08 | cast|lir | later all, bus time |
| 08:25.11 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | i tryed the netinstall disk the other day without the connection and i got the base installed |
| 08:25.21 | TiMiDo | !metal slug |
| 08:25.24 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | but I couldnt figure out where i went wrong |
| 08:25.34 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | no aptitude |
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| 08:28.10 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | anyone know about the configuring popularity contest? |
| 08:29.28 | Guerin | PROTECT_YA_NECK: dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest |
| 08:29.29 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:29.39 | Guerin | !nickometer PROTECT_YA_NECK |
| 08:29.41 | dpkg | 'PROTECT_YA_NECK' is 99.9428% lame, guerin |
| 08:29.54 | Guerin | you're god damned right it is, dpkg |
| 08:30.23 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | just curios what distro it is going to be used for? |
| 08:30.37 | Guerin | PROTECT_YA_NECK: popcon is ongoing |
| 08:30.40 | Supaplex | dos 5.5 |
| 08:31.05 | Supaplex | hello. it's our popcon. you'd think debian is the distro. right? :) |
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| 08:31.39 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | meant version i guess |
| 08:31.43 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | bad choice of words |
| 08:31.51 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | nvm |
| 08:32.13 | Guerin | lenny's package order will be determined by popcon now |
| 08:32.59 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | sorry, I am still new to the debian terms |
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| 08:34.12 | Supaplex | hurm |
| 08:34.30 | Bushmills | how is popcon aquisition protected against non-debian distributions? if one installed popcon in, say, xandros or dsl or such, does popcon tell those apart from debian? |
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| 08:36.06 | Guerin | Bushmills: i guess it files output of debian_version or somesuch else |
| 08:36.10 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 08:36.32 | Supaplex | I suppose we might ignore versions of programs we don't ship |
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| 08:38.02 | Guerin | many tards use debian repos with their non-debian OSen |
| 08:38.12 | Sebboh | What do you call it when I used Lenny and I want to grab one package from Sid because it's not available in Lenny yet? |
| 08:38.12 | Guerin | so that wouldn't necessarily work |
| 08:38.21 | Guerin | Sebboh: `madness' |
| 08:38.32 | Sebboh | Granted I walked into that.. |
| 08:38.36 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | has anyone used guarddog in debian yet? |
| 08:38.49 | Supaplex | no, never. not even the people that do. |
| 08:38.58 | Sebboh | Wait.. I'm overthinking this. I can just download the deb. =P |
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| 08:39.15 | Supaplex | !tell Sebboh -about pinning |
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| 08:40.13 | Bushmills | PROTECT_YA_NECK: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=guarddog |
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| 08:42.57 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | funny how the graph project a fall in number of downloads |
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| 08:43.30 | ootput | can any of you recommend a simple todo/appointments manager that is in wiki-context, and can be run at the command line with decent level of decorations? |
| 08:43.34 | Supaplex | oh nice. sit1 just eats traffic and throws it away. hellooooo tunnel. gah. |
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| 08:43.46 | ootput | or, perhaps any wiki-manager that is small enough, and easy enough to learn |
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| 08:44.53 | nop | hello |
| 08:45.02 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | hello |
| 08:45.30 | nop | nobody can tell me how can i uninstall apache2 on debian |
| 08:45.42 | Guerin | nop: we can |
| 08:46.04 | nop | but full uninstall (sorry for my english) |
| 08:46.21 | nop | i`ve tryed apt-get remove apache2 |
| 08:47.12 | nop | i don`t use debian but i have one dedicated server with debian installed |
| 08:47.32 | PROTECT_YA_NECK | ... |
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| 08:48.36 | nop | ah.. i have removed manually the dir /etc/apache2 |
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| 08:49.21 | nop | so when i reinstall apache2 /etc/apache2 will not create |
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| 08:49.44 | Bushmills | hehe, "(09:48:46) Debian_Noobie: debian" trying to get debian help on ubuntu channel ... |
| 08:49.59 | nop | i use arch |
| 08:50.06 | Guerin | nop: you fail |
| 08:50.10 | nop | i don`t know nothing about apt |
| 08:50.13 | nop | :( |
| 08:50.15 | Guerin | it's clear |
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| 08:51.14 | nop | nobody can help me or not? |
| 08:51.26 | Guerin | nop: ask #archlinux |
| 08:52.03 | nop | Guerin, ahhahaha |
| 08:52.13 | simonrvn | he's serious... |
| 08:52.22 | Guerin | nop: i know. Why someone would use such an unsupported distro is beyond a joke! |
| 08:52.24 | nop | bye to all and thanks for the none help! |
| 08:52.31 | Guerin | you're welcome! |
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| 08:52.35 | gnunixguy | lol |
| 08:52.55 | PingFloyd | because of sns |
| 08:52.58 | gnunixguy | I actually like Arch Linux... |
| 08:53.06 | Guerin | gnunixguy: you have my condolences |
| 08:53.08 | gnunixguy | not quite as much as I now like debian :) |
| 08:53.34 | psycodad | moin all, does anybody know how I can run mkfs.ext3 and make 8 times as much inodes as per default, would that be -i 0.125 ? |
| 08:53.36 | PingFloyd | arch is so half-baked it's not even funny |
| 08:53.49 | gnunixguy | but I dont see how asking for help in #debian for Arch linux is going to do any good |
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| 08:54.11 | gnunixguy | meh, it actually taught me a lot about the inner workings of a linux system |
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| 08:54.25 | nop | i`ve resolved |
| 08:54.27 | nop | :) |
| 08:54.29 | nop | bye |
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| 09:00.43 | PingFloyd | it's kind of hard to take a distro seriously that has the belief that it's a good practice to remove documentation to save space. |
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| 09:02.23 | Supaplex | so don't use openwrt. wahhh. |
| 09:03.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:03.14 | Guerin | i have one o' them wrt things |
| 09:03.25 | gnunixguy | hehe |
| 09:03.30 | Supaplex | as do I. my irssi is powered by it. |
| 09:03.34 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.35 | Guerin | decided that rather than fucking with it i'd fire up me obsd box again |
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| 09:03.43 | Guerin | mmm, pf |
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| 09:05.19 | Debian_Noobie | adding supercow powers for user/ |
| 09:06.08 | gnunixguy | iptables is a bit frustrating to do manually when you dont know what the freaking commands are for :( must read more! |
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| 09:08.43 | Bushmills | gnunixguy: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/iptables/html/packet-filtering-HOWTO.html?type=html |
| 09:09.28 | gnunixguy | Bushmills: thank you |
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| 09:12.06 | Supaplex | !lart he.net |
| 09:12.06 | dpkg | hereby declares he.net a troll |
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| 09:18.37 | Debian_Noobie | question about wireless cards and kernel? |
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| 09:18.54 | Guerin | Debian_Noobie: I don't have one, do you? |
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| 09:19.29 | ripdisk_ | ok so, i've almost got this thing to update |
| 09:19.39 | ripdisk_ | but it gives me errors on ceretain packages |
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| 09:19.54 | Debian_Noobie | I have a zyxel card pcmcia that worked in all ubuntu distributions as ath0 but does not appear in 4.0 r3 |
| 09:19.55 | Guerin | fix them |
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| 09:20.15 | Guerin | Debian_Noobie: find out what driver it needs and install it |
| 09:20.19 | Guerin | Debian_Noobie: or ask here |
| 09:20.30 | Guerin | ripdisk_: `fix them' was to you |
| 09:20.51 | ripdisk_ | i don't know why they're broken |
| 09:20.58 | Guerin | ripdisk_: read the errors |
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| 09:24.23 | Debian_Noobie | madwifi driver |
| 09:24.28 | Guerin | !madwifi |
| 09:24.29 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 09:25.03 | Debian_Noobie | awsome |
| 09:25.11 | Debian_Noobie | didnt know the irc does that |
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| 09:25.38 | Guerin | sure does |
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| 09:25.56 | Debian_Noobie | whats the difference between source and package? |
| 09:25.57 | Veros | how do I find out my current 'locale' ? |
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| 09:27.01 | mquin | type 'locale' |
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| 09:30.10 | bringatowel | when updating from stable to unstable, is it necessary to first update to testing? |
| 09:30.37 | SlayerXP | bringatowel: if you have to ask that, you're not qualified to run unstable |
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| 09:31.33 | bringatowel | thats nice |
| 09:32.08 | SlayerXP | truth==beauty, indeed. |
| 09:32.21 | Nyle | you mean relative? |
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| 09:32.41 | Nyle | everything has beauty, but not everyone can see it |
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| 09:35.56 | ArthurArchnix | I read on the openoffice forum that I could use my awesome and super customized spell checker in firefox and thunderbird by creating symlinks in the right places. But the directions they give don't work. I'm wondering if it's a Debian change, or a Linux versus Windows thing. Where does icedove and iceweasel get its dict info from? |
| 09:36.19 | ArthurArchnix | oops... not spell checker, custom dictionary I meant. |
| 09:37.32 | ArthurArchnix | I tried creating a folder under my profile called "dictionaries" and then created symlinks to the dictionaries (the dic file, and the aff file) as per instructions, but it did not work. |
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| 09:41.40 | rvsjoen | anyone know if its possible to attach a system call tracer to a running process ? |
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| 09:44.59 | niru | I added apm power_off=1 in /etc/modules |
| 09:45.09 | niru | but when did modprob apm power_off=1 |
| 09:45.28 | petemc | rvsjoen: strace -p |
| 09:45.36 | rvsjoen | yup found it, thanks |
| 09:45.40 | niru | di shows /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/kernel/driver/.... |
| 09:45.49 | niru | device not available |
| 09:48.04 | ArthurArchnix | niru do you have apm installed and does your laptop support apm? |
| 09:48.31 | niru | ArthurArchnix, what package is that |
| 09:48.50 | niru | ArthurArchnix, for apm_availablity is shows no output reaches the next prompt |
| 09:49.57 | ArthurArchnix | niru: aptitude show apmd | grep State |
| 09:50.17 | niru | ArthurArchnix, not available |
| 09:50.51 | ArthurArchnix | niru: odd. I'm new to Debian, but I thought it should say only installed or not-installed. |
| 09:51.10 | ArthurArchnix | niru what version of Debian? |
| 09:51.12 | niru | ArthurArchnix, yes i mean its not installed |
| 09:51.20 | niru | ArthurArchnix, un |
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| 09:51.33 | wouterrr | How do i fix this: malware acl condition: clamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Connection refused) |
| 09:51.38 | wouterrr | I can't find anything useful on the web... |
| 09:51.47 | ArthurArchnix | niru: ah well, then, that would be why your apm commands don't seem to work. But uh, apm is old-school. You must have a pretty old laptop to need to use it. |
| 09:52.02 | SlayerXP | wouterrr: does the socket exist? |
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| 09:52.23 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: srwxrwxrwx 1 clamav clamav 0 2008-07-01 12:38 /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
| 09:52.23 | wouterrr | yes and the strange this is, the pid file is not created in /var/run/clamav |
| 09:52.43 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: i find that rather strange, because i can use the init script without a warning and checked via ps if the process is started |
| 09:53.52 | SlayerXP | wouterrr: do you have clamd configured to allow supplementary groups? and is the exim user in the clam group? |
| 09:54.29 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: yes: AllowSupplementaryGroups true and Debian-exim:x:104:clamav |
| 09:54.29 | wouterrr | clamav:x:105:Debian-exim |
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| 09:55.05 | SlayerXP | wouterrr: show me "id clamav" and "id Debian-exim" |
| 09:55.37 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: uid=103(clamav) gid=105(clamav) groups=105(clamav),104(Debian-exim) |
| 09:55.37 | wouterrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.40 | SlayerXP | wouterrr: have you restarted exim and clam since making that change? |
| 09:56.02 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: multiple times, i don't understand why it is complaning. I do find it strange clamd does not make a pid file |
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| 09:56.37 | SlayerXP | wouterrr: does "lsof | grep clamd.ctl" show the socket? |
| 09:56.49 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: ah... it does not |
| 09:56.57 | SlayerXP | stale socket I suspect |
| 09:57.06 | SlayerXP | remove it, kill of all clam processes, restart clam |
| 09:57.10 | SlayerXP | off |
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| 09:57.53 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: it does not create a socket at all at the moment |
| 09:58.21 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: i do not see any errors in clamav.log or syslog |
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| 10:02.14 | rootmos | how do i mask i package? i want the ssl version of netatalk and i have put in an entry in the sources list for it. But as soon as netatalk is updated in the normal lenny didtibution i get that package. What should i do? |
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| 10:03.07 | wouterrr | SlayerXP: do you have any idea how to debug this? i don't see any errors at all |
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| 10:05.39 | pozic | All my consoles show a black screen except for the graphical session I am on now. Can I restart those consoles in some way? |
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| 10:06.57 | NopaTop | pozic kill -9 1 /dev/tty |
| 10:07.28 | pozic | NopaTop: won't that kill my graphical session too? |
| 10:08.49 | NopaTop | pozic no you'll be just fine |
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| 10:09.23 | pozic | NopaTop: that command does not work. |
| 10:09.40 | pozic | NopaTop: in case some things needs to be meta variables, please indicate next time. |
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| 10:10.35 | wouterrr | Heh...... |
| 10:10.43 | wouterrr | I can not start clamav, no errors or whatsoever |
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| 10:11.24 | pozic | wouterrr: you probably do get an error. |
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| 10:13.12 | ArthurArchnix | pozic: You could have disabled them, or you could have setup a bad framebuffer. Did you ever edit inittab or grub's menu.lst? |
| 10:13.49 | pozic | ArthurArchnix: I did not disable them, but X did crash a few minutes ago, which caused it all, I think. |
| 10:14.01 | wouterrr | pozic: grep -ri on clamav in /var/log does not give me any information at all |
| 10:14.07 | pozic | ArthurArchnix: I did not change anything related in those files. |
| 10:14.20 | pozic | wouterrr: and how do you start clamav? |
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| 10:14.31 | wouterrr | pozic: /etc/init.d/clamd-daemon start |
| 10:14.52 | wouterrr | pozic: /etc/init.d/clamAv-daemon start* |
| 10:15.00 | pozic | wouterrr: and how do you determine that it has stopped? |
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| 10:15.05 | Chrom_ | hi all |
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| 10:15.16 | wouterrr | pozic: ps faxu | grep clam but the strange part is it also not creates a pid file |
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| 10:15.47 | Chrom_ | how do I install an old (maybe2.4) kernel in an etch installation? what repo should I enable? |
| 10:15.59 | pozic | wouterrr: you can see how the start script works and insert strace somewhere. |
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| 10:16.21 | rootmos | how do i tell apt that i want the package from the newly addaed entry in sources.list instead of the official debian package? |
| 10:17.06 | peka | (VMware with Debian Lenny) When writitn "ifdown eth0" I get the responce "interface eth0 not configured", but it's no problem on eth1. I haven't done anything different with them as far as I know. |
| 10:17.06 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.06 | erpo | rootmos: Did you do an apt-get update? |
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| 10:18.50 | Chrom_ | anybody ever downgraded to a 2.4 kernel? |
| 10:18.53 | rootmos | erpo: yes i had it installed but now a newer version was availible on the official debian and it installed that instead. |
| 10:19.45 | liable | hmm, i still have a 2.6.8 kernel installed on my etch box |
| 10:20.18 | erpo | rootmos: Better pay attention to nevyn then. I don't understand holds. |
| 10:22.58 | rootmos | nevyn: what can i do when the damage is done? |
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| 10:24.27 | rootmos | nevyn: i have upgraded the package and that is the official debian package, is there someway to tell apt to install that package instead? |
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| 10:25.34 | nevyn | rootmos: so install the version you want. |
| 10:26.29 | rootmos | nevyn: all i got is this line in sources.list: deb http://debian.jones.dk/ lenny netatalk |
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| 10:29.19 | nevyn | rootmos: ok so do you know what version the ssl package is? |
| 10:29.57 | nevyn | you can get it by hand from the repository then manually install it with dpkg then hold it in apt. |
| 10:31.09 | rootmos | nevyn: ok, thanks |
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| 10:36.46 | pozic | How do I restart my consoles without destroying the current X session? |
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| 10:37.22 | erpo | pozic: What do you mean restart your consoles? |
| 10:38.04 | peka | (VMware with Debian Lenny) When writitn "ifdown eth0" I get the responce "interface eth0 not configured", but it's no problem on eth1. I haven't done anything different with them as far as I know. Anyone know what it might be? |
| 10:38.37 | peka | Network is "Host-only" btw. |
| 10:38.46 | beardy | peka: They are just not up, when you try to bring them down. |
| 10:38.49 | beardy | !vmware |
| 10:38.49 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 10:39.17 | peka | beardy, it is according to ifconfig? |
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| 10:40.48 | beardy | pozic: Restart? What do you mean by that? |
| 10:40.49 | beardy | !reset |
| 10:41.20 | beardy | pozic: You can reset the terminal with 'reset', if a 'clear' or ^l wont do it. |
| 10:41.45 | pozic | beardy: I mean that the console has a black screen currently. |
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| 10:41.59 | pozic | beardy: so I want to restart the process that generated that black screen. |
| 10:42.01 | beardy | pozic: All your virtual terminals? |
| 10:42.14 | pozic | beardy: yes, except the graphical one I am in now. |
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| 10:42.38 | beardy | pozic: If one of them is black, check what processes are running on them and HUP the shell running on them. |
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| 10:43.03 | erpo | pozic: Could you perhaps have switched into a different virtual terminal from your X session? |
| 10:43.08 | beardy | pozic: Though it might be in need of a real reboot there, afaik. You use framebuffer? |
| 10:43.31 | wouterrr | where the heck is start_daemon defined? |
| 10:43.43 | pozic | erpo: I switched multiple times using Control-Alt-FX |
| 10:44.46 | pozic | beardy: nothing is running on them, but how can I see that? ps aux? |
| 10:44.54 | wouterrr | Why do i get this with strace when starting clamav=daemon: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/nscd/socket"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 10:45.16 | pozic | wouterrr: it might that it is an optional feature. |
| 10:45.22 | pozic | +be* |
| 10:45.46 | wouterrr | This is one major problem. I don't even see in my strace the creation of the socket file |
| 10:45.50 | wouterrr | clamd.ctl that is |
| 10:45.56 | beardy | pozic: For example yes. 'ps aux | grep tty1' to tty6. |
| 10:45.57 | erpo | pozic: So only your X session is obscured with a black screen? Not your other virtual terminals? |
| 10:46.32 | erpo | wouterrr: Maybe it's trying to connect to another program. |
| 10:46.33 | beardy | pozic: But if nothing is running on them.. then nothing is. |
| 10:46.43 | erpo | wouterrr: Have you tried googling for /var/run/nscd/socket ? |
| 10:46.49 | erpo | wouterrr: Or just nscd? |
| 10:46.50 | wouterrr | erpo: yep, nothing useful found |
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| 10:47.13 | soulchild | HI all,... is there a way to change the green color of username@machine to red in bash ??? |
| 10:47.16 | wouterrr | erpo: the problem is clamav-daemon does not want to start, no pid file or whatsoever created. but the init script should warn if no pid file is created if i recall correctly |
| 10:47.23 | erpo | wouterrr: http://linux.die.net/man/8/nscd right on the front page of a google search for nscd. |
| 10:47.56 | wouterrr | erpo: well, that i found. it's only not useful to me |
| 10:48.05 | wouterrr | i've straced on another machine where clamav is working and i get the same messages |
| 10:48.21 | erpo | wouterrr: You mean the same ENOENT? |
| 10:48.24 | peka | In /etc/network/interfaces, what do one write if one doesn't want DHCP in "auto ethX"? |
| 10:48.28 | wouterrr | erpo: yes |
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| 10:48.44 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 10:48.45 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 10:48.48 | erpo | peka: What do you want instead of dhcp? |
| 10:48.53 | pozic | beardy: yes, but about the restart? |
| 10:49.02 | erpo | wouterrr: Then the problem is not related to nscd then. |
| 10:49.10 | wouterrr | erpo: indeed, |
| 10:49.11 | erpo | wouterrr: Or, at least, the lack of nscd. |
| 10:49.12 | pozic | beardy: that is what is the pid of tty1? |
| 10:49.16 | peka | erpo: defined by quagga, so I would guess that would be static... |
| 10:50.04 | nevyn | auto ethx says to bring the interface up it doesn't have anything to do with how it's configured |
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| 10:50.44 | beardy | pozic: It is not a process. I'm not entirely sure who/where it runs from, if it's a kernel internal thing, or not.. getty maybe can be restarted.. if it handles it. |
| 10:50.58 | peka | nevyn: but in /etc/network/interfaces you need some variables to go with "auto ethX" where one defines dhcp or not, don't you? |
| 10:51.37 | erpo | peka: You probably want a statically configured interface. Read man interfaces to figure out how to do that. |
| 10:51.58 | peka | erpo: kk. thanks :) |
| 10:52.35 | liable | blames wrong cflags! |
| 10:52.42 | liable | echan |
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| 10:53.28 | ArmEagle | Hmm, my server is quite outdated.. but now I remember why I hardly update it.. |
| 10:54.04 | ArmEagle | I want to update imagemagick: it wants to install 22 new packages, including thai support and xcomposite stuff (on a headless server!) |
| 10:54.07 | simmerz | I'm trying to set up pure-ftpd and I've followed www.debianhelp.co.uk/pureftp.htm . I have done the bits at the bottom about disabling PAM and UNIX auth, but it still allows me to log in using my username and system password. any ideas? |
| 10:55.35 | erpo | simmerz: What should it be using for authetication now? |
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| 10:56.26 | simmerz | virtual users. actually, I think it's because I set it to have a username the same as one of my system users |
| 10:56.47 | peka | I couln't read it out of the man. When setting static IP in /etc/network/interfaces - "iface ethX inet static", do one have to define the address there? (I get "missing variables" when running ifup so I'm kinda guessing so) :) |
| 10:56.59 | erpo | simmerz: Did you reload/restart pureftpd after echo-ing no into the appropriate files? |
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| 10:57.08 | ribasushi | yo |
| 10:57.13 | simmerz | erpo: using xinetd |
| 10:57.41 | nevyn | peka: but they're seperate |
| 10:57.42 | ribasushi | anyone here having issues with FF3 getting extremely slow when rendering JS, especially fade-in-out effects? |
| 10:57.49 | erpo | simmerz: Check with ps to make sure it's not running anyway. |
| 10:57.56 | ribasushi | xorg cpu usage shoots to as much as it can, and everything is sluggish as hell |
| 10:58.05 | dub | whats the http://www.lhcountdown.com/ timer down to? |
| 10:58.08 | erpo | ribasushi: I have that problem with flash, but not JS. |
| 10:58.13 | nevyn | the interface ethx static or interface ethx dhcp controlls how it's configured |
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| 10:58.32 | dub | (speaking of flash problems) |
| 10:58.57 | erpo | dub: 31 days until we all die. |
| 10:59.15 | ribasushi | dub: you do realize that the first TEV experiments will not take place until late 2010 right? |
| 10:59.38 | ribasushi | until then they'll be "breaking it in" with puny 10 - 15 GEV collisions |
| 11:01.35 | erpo | ribasushi: Hmm. When did those mayans predict the end of the world? |
| 11:01.43 | ribasushi | 2012 :) |
| 11:01.52 | erpo | Hmm. Pretty close. |
| 11:02.25 | alleyoopster | the mayans say we are in the ethical week now, next I think is galactic then it all gets a bit mad and very fast |
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| 11:03.57 | alleyoopster | it was hinted there would be contact with other species soon, spooky |
| 11:03.58 | dub | did they predict the end of the world? |
| 11:04.12 | erpo | Yes. In 2012. |
| 11:04.23 | dub | I thought that time would simply be irrelevant from then |
| 11:04.24 | alleyoopster | i dont think it was clear that it would actually be the end of the world, but something big will happen |
| 11:04.31 | dub | so they didnt bother |
| 11:04.59 | erpo | dub: Why would you think that? They were avid astronomers. Well, some of them. |
| 11:05.00 | dub | with continuing the calendar etc |
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| 11:05.52 | dub | erpo, I mean the mayans felt that after 2012 time would cease to be relevant |
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| 11:06.20 | ribasushi | maybe they just took the red pill and went to sleep |
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| 11:12.34 | fluor- | hi there - anyone using the wordpress package in a multiblog setup around here? |
| 11:12.42 | fluor- | hi there - I just migrated wordpress from 2.0.10 to 2.5.1, |
| 11:12.53 | fluor- | previously created blogs show a "Not found" page, "Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here." |
| 11:13.01 | fluor- | while I can create new ones ok |
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| 11:17.21 | ribasushi | is there a "disable flash" iceweasel setting? |
| 11:17.38 | ribasushi | I have webdeveloper and all that, yet can't find a toggler |
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| 11:18.16 | Coweater | flashblock plugin or maybe adblock can be used to that effect |
| 11:18.57 | ribasushi | sigh... blockers, please keep your toys for youselves |
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| 11:19.12 | ribasushi | I meant for debugging purposes, just like I can disable js for instance |
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| 11:21.33 | JarZk1 | hiya all |
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| 11:22.33 | alleyoopster | ribasushi: i think the only other way apart from flashblock is to pull the plugin out of the folder for testing |
| 11:22.58 | ribasushi | did already, will reinstall it when I'm done |
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| 11:23.10 | ribasushi | although seems counterintuitive - there are so many other shiny knobs |
| 11:24.13 | Coweater | the flash plugin is just a glittering turd |
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| 11:24.53 | alleyoopster | Coweater: i think that needs to go on the adobe website |
| 11:25.08 | ribasushi | Coweater: I asked you to please keep your views for yourself, idiots like you make it look like it is a normal thing to use a blocker |
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| 11:25.27 | ribasushi | the website is not yours to control, look at it the way it is or leave |
| 11:25.36 | Coweater | have you been on the web recently, it's pretty sane to use a blocker |
| 11:25.51 | Coweater | oh, one of those |
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| 11:27.16 | alleyoopster | ribasushi how about using opera |
| 11:27.17 | nolimitsoya | ribasushi, that has to be the most missguided statements ive heard from a wed "developer" in some time... |
| 11:27.25 | nolimitsoya | *web |
| 11:27.59 | avu | just continue this in #debian-offtopic or something? :) |
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| 11:28.14 | ribasushi | avu: I just ignore them I guess |
| 11:28.55 | avu | don't make it look like I'm on your side ;) |
| 11:29.05 | ootput | lol |
| 11:29.22 | ootput | can any of you recommend a simple todo/appointments manager that is in wiki-context, and can be run at the command line with decent level of decorations? |
| 11:29.28 | ootput | or, perhaps any wiki-manager that is small enough, and easy enough to learn |
| 11:29.39 | ribasushi | avu: you don't push your side down my throat, that's already a big ++ |
| 11:29.49 | pozic | ootput: there is muse/planner in Emacs. |
| 11:30.05 | pozic | ootput: or org-mode |
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| 11:31.12 | pozic | Why do these Apache people keep changing the syntax of their configuration files? |
| 11:31.38 | avu | they do? |
| 11:31.44 | beardy | pozic: Did restarting getty do anything? |
| 11:31.57 | pozic | beardy: I sent it HUP and nothing. |
| 11:32.22 | pozic | avu: yes, they do a few times/year. |
| 11:32.23 | beardy | pozic: You didn't answer if you use framebuffer for the console? |
| 11:32.35 | pozic | beardy: I don't know the answer. |
| 11:32.49 | pozic | beardy: I did select something a few times, but I forgot what exactly I chose. |
| 11:32.50 | avu | pozic, strange. I didn't have to change anything from 2.0 to 2.2 and very vew things from 1.3 to 2.0 |
| 11:33.00 | avu | and certainly never anything for minor version upgrades |
| 11:33.03 | beardy | pozic: When you boot, do you see the Tux logo? Is the text marker a square, or an underline? |
| 11:33.06 | pozic | avu: I am tlaking about 2.2.<something> 2.2.<something else> |
| 11:33.15 | pozic | beardy: I see no Tux logo. |
| 11:33.24 | ribasushi | pozic: citation needed :) |
| 11:33.26 | pozic | beardy: a square. |
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| 11:34.02 | pozic | ribasushi: The directive "NameVirtualHost *" has been changed to "NameVirtualHost *:80". etc |
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| 11:35.21 | avu | pozic, that's not a change in the syntax |
| 11:35.24 | beardy | pozic: Mkay. That's contradicting, but ok. You are using the framebuffer most likely.. I mean in the upper left corner, there usually is a Tux for each CPU. |
| 11:35.29 | avu | pozic, that's not even a change done by the apache people |
| 11:35.37 | avu | pozic, that's just a change in the debian default config |
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| 11:35.47 | pozic | beardy: I am sure I don't have a Tex logo. |
| 11:35.54 | avu | pozic, (which has been explained in either news or changelog, I forget) |
| 11:35.54 | pozic | beardy: I changed my caret once. |
| 11:36.00 | pozic | beardy: so, that might explain it. |
| 11:36.39 | pozic | avu: then it is not communicated clearly, imho. |
| 11:37.20 | avu | pozic, you are not using stable |
| 11:37.28 | avu | pozic, you should be reading changelogs |
| 11:37.33 | pozic | avu: no, I am not. |
| 11:37.36 | ribasushi | pozic: this is a minor (and correct) change, furthermore it is your responsibility to read changelogs (as opposed to a blind apt-get upgrade) so quit whining |
| 11:37.38 | avu | pozic, apt-listchanges for example |
| 11:37.48 | pozic | avu: I have the log before me and I always read it. |
| 11:37.55 | pozic | avu: where do you think that line came from? |
| 11:38.21 | avu | pozic, I don't think, I know |
| 11:38.31 | pozic | avu: no, you don't. |
| 11:38.39 | avu | pozic, because I have apt-listchanges installed and read the explanation just a little while ago |
| 11:38.40 | pozic | avu: you asserted that I don't read changelogs. |
| 11:38.51 | pozic | avu: I have that program installed too. |
| 11:38.51 | beardy | pozic: If you can't shutdown X, or reboot, I guess you'll have to run like this until you can, try to maybe 'echo "foo" > /dev/tty1' to see if it appears. |
| 11:38.55 | pozic | avu: so, what's your point? |
| 11:39.05 | avu | pozic, well, that you should read its output :) |
| 11:39.14 | pozic | avu: I just said that I always read it. |
| 11:39.21 | pozic | avu: please try to comprehend my output. |
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| 11:39.26 | avu | pozic, this change in the debian default configuration has been explained |
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| 11:39.35 | avu | pozic, well, I can't if it's untrue :) |
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| 11:40.01 | pozic | avu: ? |
| 11:40.12 | avu | pozic, see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/current/changelog |
| 11:40.23 | avu | pozic, for an online version of that changelog you say you read |
| 11:40.30 | avu | pozic, explaining the change you say it doesn't :) |
| 11:40.32 | grim | I seem to be having an issue with anacron and snort... if i run /etc/cron.daily/5snort by hand i get the email, if i run run-parts --verbose --report /etc/cron.daily i get the email, however, when anacron is fired off from /etc/crontab, i don't get the email, any thoughts? |
| 11:40.55 | pozic | avu: again: I have the output of apt-listchanges before me. |
| 11:41.11 | avu | pozic, don't care. |
| 11:41.15 | pozic | avu: I say it's not communicated clearly what it means for existing configurations. |
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| 11:41.22 | avu | pozic, the. change. is. in. the changelog. |
| 11:41.39 | pozic | avu: I already said that yes the change is there. |
| 11:41.48 | avu | so what's your problem? |
| 11:41.51 | pozic | avu: just not what it means for existing configurations... |
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| 11:42.18 | avu | the changelog is not there to do your work for you. you are still required to understand the applications you are running |
| 11:42.59 | pozic | avu: and in general, when I write a configuration, I expect it to work forever from now on, certainly with minor version upgrades. |
| 11:43.24 | avu | pozic, that's true if you're running stable. you however, are not. |
| 11:43.45 | avu | pozic, also, those two bug reports linked to in the changelog entry explain the change quite well (as usual) |
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| 11:44.55 | avu | pozic, you are not even using testing, you are using *unstable* |
| 11:44.58 | pozic | avu: I don't really care that much about apache2. Whether it is "unstable" or not should not make a difference. |
| 11:45.10 | avu | of course it does |
| 11:45.22 | avu | pozic, unstable is where development of the distribution happens |
| 11:45.40 | avu | pozic, that would not be possible if there was some 'no configuration breakage' policy |
| 11:45.42 | pozic | avu: please stop stating the obvious and please stop talking to me for the next 24 hours. |
| 11:45.48 | avu | haha |
| 11:45.50 | stew | pozic: yes, it makes a big difference. the goal is not to make things convenient for you, but to make lenny better when it is released |
| 11:45.55 | stew | pozic: use /ignore |
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| 11:46.16 | abrotman | apt: hi |
| 11:46.17 | apt | hello, abrotman |
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| 11:48.45 | pozic | beardy: nothing appeared. I will just reboot sometime. |
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| 11:57.19 | docmax | what exactly is the lost+found directory for? |
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| 11:58.00 | rvsjoen | did you ask google ? |
| 11:58.15 | rvsjoen | first hit on "ext3 lost+found" |
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| 12:02.54 | docmax | ok |
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| 12:06.38 | humbolt | what is a slim way to measure the bandwidth usage on one particular interface? |
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| 12:06.51 | Ex-Cyber | when I click on a PDF link with Iceweasel (2.0.0.14-2, testing) for the first time in a session, it uses xpdf as the helper app as expected, but if I click on a PDF after that, Iceweasel seems to "forget" the helper association and can't open it; this happens in safe mode and after renaming mimeTypes.rdf; any idea what's wrong? |
| 12:06.59 | abrotman | humbolt: ntop, jnettop, iftop |
| 12:07.25 | abrotman | probably ntop is a bit much for what you seem to be looking for |
| 12:07.46 | rvsjoen | bwm-ng is also a good alternative |
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| 12:10.07 | humbolt | which is the smallest binary? |
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| 12:12.13 | docmax | hello, i need some kind of process explorer for linux gtk, any suggestions? (like taskmanager in windows) |
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| 12:14.39 | abrotman | !search |
| 12:14.39 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 12:16.15 | docmax | no ideas? |
| 12:16.18 | JarZk1 | mahdikas |
| 12:16.27 | docmax | whats that? |
| 12:17.40 | pozic | docmax: abrotman already answered your question. |
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| 12:17.49 | abrotman | "answered" |
| 12:17.57 | pozic | Right, "answered". |
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| 12:19.00 | docmax | again please |
| 12:19.08 | docmax | my xchat crashed |
| 12:19.23 | abrotman | !tell docmax about search |
| 12:19.46 | docmax | i searched the whole day |
| 12:19.51 | docmax | didnt find anything |
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| 12:21.42 | jelly | docmax: you could enable logging in xchat, and you can look at the logs later (even if it crashes) |
| 12:21.58 | abrotman | assuming it logs before it crashes :) |
| 12:22.05 | jelly | abrotman: it usually does |
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| 12:22.14 | abrotman | i'm just saying! |
| 12:22.21 | jelly | me too |
| 12:23.08 | docmax | ok again: i need a process explorer like that taskmanager in windows... no console thing like top or htop |
| 12:23.26 | docmax | any ideas? i googled for 3 hours right now... nothing good found |
| 12:23.26 | wols | docmax: what for? |
| 12:23.28 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 12:23.48 | huaxia | hello, I use dnsmasq on my router for local dns. On the client side when I access another server via this router by hostname only, (like "srv"), it response very quickly. But if I use the FQDN name, (srv.local.net) to access the server, it delays about 10 seconds. Ping with FQDN name responses very fast. Anyone can help to solve this problem? |
| 12:23.49 | docmax | what for? same like top is supposed for |
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| 12:23.59 | wols | docmax: then why can't you use top? |
| 12:24.14 | abrotman | can't click on top!!! |
| 12:24.22 | wols | abrotman: OMG! |
| 12:24.27 | Maulkin | zomg |
| 12:24.40 | docmax | wols, i dont want console based |
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| 12:24.51 | asg | xterm -e top |
| 12:24.52 | docmax | i want graphical... best in gtk2+ |
| 12:24.53 | wols | then have fun searching. good luck |
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| 12:25.59 | huaxia | docmax, you mean system monitor applet for gnome panel? |
| 12:26.06 | jelly | docmax: it will possibly have "top" in its name, and possiblt start with g or gt |
| 12:26.11 | jelly | !info gtop |
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| 12:26.31 | pozic | Are you all, except huaxia, not telling the answer because it is a trivial answer? |
| 12:26.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:26.54 | huaxia | lol |
| 12:26.58 | docmax | i dont have gnome installed... just fluxbox |
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| 12:27.16 | abrotman | pozic: but hey .. if you know the answer .. tell him |
| 12:27.24 | abrotman | pozic: you can fish for him every day |
| 12:27.34 | jelly | pozic: dunno about others. I have no idea about gtk process monitors |
| 12:27.38 | pozic | abrotman: yes, I thought that was your strategy. |
| 12:27.52 | pozic | abrotman: but some seemed to be truly ignorant. No problem with that. |
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| 12:28.39 | jelly | htop is clickable :-> |
| 12:28.44 | docmax | i cant find anything, please help me! |
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| 12:28.51 | abrotman | !tell docmax about search |
| 12:28.52 | docmax | no i want GUI |
| 12:29.00 | pozic | Meh, maybe docmax is a troll? |
| 12:29.10 | docmax | no |
| 12:29.16 | docmax | im human |
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| 12:30.38 | docmax | i want a GUI which show all processes in a tree.. with loaded libs, usage graph, etc... |
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| 12:31.52 | docmax | please help me out |
| 12:31.58 | docmax | i begg to you |
| 12:32.10 | bit0 | docmax, pstree.x11 |
| 12:32.26 | jelly | docmax: please stop, whining won't give an answer tht wasn't there before |
| 12:32.28 | humbolt | how do I push a process to the backgroud again? |
| 12:32.48 | bit0 | huaxia, bg #job |
| 12:32.50 | abrotman | humbolt: ctrl-z , then 'bg' |
| 12:33.09 | pozic | Two processes are sitting a tree... |
| 12:33.15 | pozic | in a* |
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| 12:33.27 | Tex-Twil | good afternoon |
| 12:33.37 | jelly | docmax: you might try a gnome or xfce related channel for gtk apps |
| 12:33.49 | antgel | Astroman: oh yes, i am here, i forgot i had this client open |
| 12:33.56 | humbolt | abrotman: ctrl+z is pausing the process, right? and bg lets it continue running in the background? |
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| 12:34.15 | debianr | can someone help to confirm if there is something wrong with the .au (australia) site? I can't access it. |
| 12:34.17 | humbolt | abrotman: will the process continue running if I log out? |
| 12:34.24 | Tex-Twil | please I have troubles mounting a nfs between and Debian server and debian client, when I issue the mount command, it just hangs and nothing happens |
| 12:34.28 | Deetz | what's the url debianr? |
| 12:34.28 | docmax | pstree.x11 is also console based |
| 12:34.30 | docmax | i need gtk |
| 12:34.48 | debianr | Deetz: hang on. |
| 12:34.51 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 12:35.17 | stew | docmax: something like "aptitude search '~dprocess~dview~Dlibgtk2.0-0'" would look for packages with process, view in their descriptions that depend on gtk2 |
| 12:35.18 | abrotman | !de |
| 12:35.18 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 12:35.37 | bit0 | docmax, gnome-system-monitor .. i know there's another (??) |
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| 12:36.32 | docmax | yeah gnome system monitor... but i dont want to install gnome |
| 12:36.45 | bit0 | stew, thanks, really powerfull aptitude :) |
| 12:36.53 | debianr | Deetz: it's ftp.au.debian.org |
| 12:36.55 | docmax | what system monitor does xfce use? |
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| 12:37.29 | jelly | docmax: ask #xfce |
| 12:37.39 | abrotman | debianr: yes, seems down .. there are other .au mirrors though |
| 12:37.47 | abrotman | oh .. it's there .. just very slow |
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| 12:38.04 | debianr | abrotman: where are the other .au? |
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| 12:38.07 | stew | docmax: aptitude search '~dprocess~Dlibgtk' |
| 12:38.16 | Deetz | yup seems down for me anyway or timing out |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | !tell debianr about mirrors |
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| 12:38.39 | arafangion | Hey, how do I change my path so that my new bin directory is searched _before_ my system bin? |
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| 12:38.56 | debianr | thks |
| 12:39.24 | jelly | arafangion: put it in front. PATH=/some/other/dir:${PATH} |
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| 12:39.43 | arafangion | jelly, Thanks. :) |
| 12:39.45 | docmax | http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=397 |
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| 12:42.43 | Deetz | Anyone have suggestions on any tools to help creating LDAP users and assigning samba rights etc? |
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| 12:43.17 | Deetz | Right now we're using an open source groupware or exchange alternative but we are now planning to move away from it. The one nice thing is does is provide a decent interface to manage or create users |
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| 12:44.04 | arafangion | Deetz, Why are you planning to move away from it, and what are you moving towards? |
| 12:44.24 | arafangion | has never used groupware, but is curious just the same. At his work he uses Lotus. |
| 12:44.43 | Deetz | Either Scalix, google mail or maybe just a real exchange server |
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| 12:45.40 | Deetz | The problem is they sell intergration into outlook for syncing Calendars, tasks but it is really buggy and the software does alot of stuff but nothing very well and isn't being used |
| 12:45.58 | Deetz | The roadmap for the future doesn't look promising so we want to move on |
| 12:46.45 | pozic | Deetz: if you want better software, maybe you should write a specification of what it is that you want? |
| 12:47.17 | jelly | Exhcange works. Mostly. :-) |
| 12:47.22 | Deetz | We have created a list of some of the things we want, but only from the perspective of doing mail/calendering |
| 12:47.36 | pozic | Deetz: and this is a proprietary list? |
| 12:47.52 | Deetz | My boss is convinced exchange is too expensive although the small buisness server looks okay to me |
| 12:48.02 | randomity | http://www.networkmaths.ie/courses/optimisation1/syllabus |
| 12:48.11 | antgel | Deetz: apt-cache search samba |grep -i ldap |
| 12:48.23 | Deetz | yar |
| 12:48.43 | capt_rogers | i have debian powerpc running on mac g3 bue and white. console only. i was wondering if there was a non-X-windows manager i could use. |
| 12:48.46 | Deetz | but can anyone recommend software for managing ldap users or should the shell be enough |
| 12:48.50 | jelly | Deetz: are you allowed to say which is the current inadequate solution? |
| 12:49.03 | Deetz | sure open-xchange |
| 12:49.08 | antgel | Deetz: did you even read the output of the command? |
| 12:49.17 | Deetz | ah no let me |
| 12:49.20 | antgel | ffs |
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| 12:49.23 | Deetz | :D |
| 12:49.39 | AzMoo | Hey, what's the package that contains the kernel source called? |
| 12:49.52 | antgel | *sigh* |
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| 12:50.00 | Deetz | Thank you antgel I see |
| 12:50.15 | stew | AzMoo: linux-source-$version ; though, what do you want it for? most people that are looking for kernel source actually need kernel headers instead |
| 12:50.19 | Deetz | seems pretty well exactly like what I was looking for |
| 12:50.22 | pozic | Debian is getting too popular. |
| 12:50.39 | AzMoo | stew: VMWare Tools wants the full source. |
| 12:50.44 | AzMoo | stew: ta |
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| 12:52.36 | jelly | AzMoo: vmware modules usually build ok with just the headers |
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| 12:53.45 | AzMoo | jelly: It's telling me I'm missing version.h. I assumed that would come with the full source? |
| 12:55.09 | antgel | Deetz: you could try opengroupware with zidelook |
| 12:55.53 | stew | AzMoo: the full source would not, since it is unconfigured, the headers would, or you could get the full source, configure it, compile it, and install it |
| 12:56.28 | Deetz | yet again thank you ant |
| 12:56.41 | AzMoo | stew: Well I have the headers and it's telling me it's not there. Maybe I pointed it to the wrong spot. |
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| 12:57.11 | stew | AzMoo: the right spot for the headers is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 12:57.11 | antgel | Deetz: imo, opengroupware's biggest weakness is the inbuilt webui, but as a backend it is excellent, very solid and scalable |
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| 12:58.21 | AzMoo | stew: I didn't include the 686 in the version. Cheers. |
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| 13:00.06 | hedin | what would you guys prefer as a server os... Gentoo, CentOS or Debian? and why? |
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| 13:00.38 | Deetz | CentOS or Debian because Gentoo sounds like it's for only the hardcore |
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| 13:02.29 | jelly | hedin: you're in #debian... seriously, what answer do you expect? |
| 13:02.45 | SlayerXP | Deetz: no, gentoo is for idiots. there's nothing hardcore about it |
| 13:02.52 | pozic | hedin: for extra credits, ask the same question in #gentoo and #centos. |
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| 13:03.12 | MrBrush | Does anyone know if it's possible to view the source of a page with links2 |
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| 13:03.42 | MrBrush | or to view the html source of a page inside the shell? |
| 13:03.50 | jelly | MrBrush: \ |
| 13:03.56 | pozic | MrBrush: learn to read manpage |
| 13:04.08 | MrBrush | pozic: i couldn't find it |
| 13:04.14 | pozic | MrBrush: I never used the feature man links2 \source RET |
| 13:04.21 | Ex-Cyber | okay, my problem happens in the official firefox 3 build... taking it upstream, I suppose... |
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| 13:04.40 | pozic | MrBrush: doesn't sound like Mission Impossible to me. |
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| 13:04.54 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:05.20 | jelly | pozic: you meant "/", not "\" |
| 13:05.43 | pozic | jelly: yes, I did. |
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| 13:08.17 | RichiH | hrm, i don't have telnet, nmap or netcat, installing stuff is not an option. i need to find out if a remote port is open & reachable from that host. suggestions? |
| 13:08.44 | Deetz | open to the internet or just internally? |
| 13:08.51 | Deetz | and why is installing not an option that never helps |
| 13:08.54 | petemc | tcptraceroute |
| 13:09.40 | chops | petemc: Something tells me that installing that is "not an option" also :-) |
| 13:09.46 | RichiH | Deetz: from said host |
| 13:09.57 | RichiH | chops: indeed |
| 13:10.24 | chops | "How do I eat my soup? And don't tell me to get a spoon, that is not an option." |
| 13:10.40 | SamuraiDio | i have a bug on Gnome Nautilus... when i try to run *.mkv (Matroska Video Files) nautilus says that the content is of an audio file (and it is not) and the extension of a video file, and prevents me from openinng hte file (i can only open it from 'Open With...' option) |
| 13:10.51 | Maulkin | RichiH: any compilers? Or perl? :) |
| 13:10.58 | chops | !tell SamuraiDio about bts |
| 13:10.59 | RichiH | chops: by slurping it without a spoon. that is quite beside the point, though |
| 13:11.03 | stew | RichiH: do you have perl or python or some such? |
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| 13:11.30 | RichiH | Maulkin: perl, of course. though modules that are not installed should not be needed, either |
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| 13:11.37 | vchrizz | what raid is more inteligent to use on four disks? raid6 or raid0+1 or raid1+0 ? |
| 13:11.45 | SamuraiDio | chops, should i report the bug? |
| 13:11.56 | chops | SamuraiDio: I would recommend it, yes |
| 13:12.13 | Maulkin | RichiH: got IO::Socket? |
| 13:12.24 | SamuraiDio | chops, whats tha package that can send bugs from shell? |
| 13:12.30 | chops | SamuraiDio: reportbug |
| 13:13.16 | RichiH | Maulkin: http://www.macosxhints.com/dlfiles/is_tcp_port_listening_pl.txt |
| 13:13.29 | RichiH | Maulkin: thanks, i should have come up with that, myself |
| 13:13.36 | RichiH | it just takes a scot for some things |
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| 13:15.32 | Maulkin | RichiH: hang on... |
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| 13:16.00 | Maulkin | RichiH: try... http://www.halon.org.uk/tmp/telnet.pl |
| 13:16.14 | SamuraiDio | chops, thanks |
| 13:16.15 | zophy[] | i think there is a fundamental weaknes in the way rythmbox has us create playlists |
| 13:16.22 | Maulkin | No promises if it works, but should do. |
| 13:16.24 | chops | SamuraiDio: np |
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| 13:20.12 | lirezh | hi |
| 13:20.18 | lirezh | I got a pci device, it is an oxford 952 serial uart. in 2.4 kernel it shows up as pci device, but in 2.6 it is not visible as device. does lspci show devices without driver in 2.6 ? |
| 13:20.28 | SamuraiDio | how do i check a bug directly from url? |
| 13:20.40 | chops | SamuraiDio: bugs.debian.org/123456 |
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| 13:21.51 | SamuraiDio | tnx again |
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| 13:24.47 | chops | SamuraiDio: np |
| 13:25.32 | liable | lirezh: yes |
| 13:26.21 | lirezh | in 2.4 it shows, in 2.6 not |
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| 13:26.34 | liable | odd |
| 13:26.51 | lirezh | not the first time i have noticed such stuff regarding lspci, but right now it drives me mad |
| 13:27.01 | lirezh | in 2.4 it was so easy, just cat /proc/pci |
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| 13:28.57 | SamuraiDio | lirezh, does it not show even the pciid? or just not the name? |
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| 13:30.40 | lirezh | not at all samurai |
| 13:30.52 | lirezh | i know the correct pci id but it#s not showing at all |
| 13:31.02 | lirezh | i tried -G and -G as well |
| 13:31.05 | SamuraiDio | lirezh, strange for me it always worked... |
| 13:31.32 | lirezh | it is a custom pci device (it works in windows and it workes in principe in 2.4 too) |
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| 13:31.44 | lirezh | in 2.6 is just does not exist |
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| 13:32.48 | SamuraiDio | try hal-device or lshal |
| 13:34.33 | lirezh | mom |
| 13:34.37 | Nyle | ? |
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| 13:37.08 | capt_rogers | i have debian powerpc running on mac g3 bue and white. console only. i was wondering if there was a non-X-windows manager i could use. |
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| 13:37.39 | chops | capt_rogers: What do you mean, "non-X-windows manager"? |
| 13:37.49 | capt_rogers | does not require X Windows... |
| 13:37.54 | amphi | capt_rogers: screen? |
| 13:37.55 | chops | capt_rogers: And does what? |
| 13:38.11 | abrotman | an X-like GUI environment that is not xfree/xorg |
| 13:38.12 | grul | manages windows |
| 13:38.13 | capt_rogers | manangers your desktop like XFCE, or similar.. |
| 13:38.27 | chops | capt_rogers: So a GUI that isn't X windows? |
| 13:38.34 | capt_rogers | yes |
| 13:38.34 | lirezh | can't get lshal to run in short time |
| 13:38.45 | chops | capt_rogers: Why do you want that? |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | capt_rogers: what's wrong with xorg on the mac g3 ? |
| 13:39.12 | capt_rogers | cause X to be blunt is a pig. i have a blue and white g3..not much cpu power |
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| 13:41.22 | chops | capt_rogers: Have you tried a lighter window manager? I think of xorg itself as being pretty reasonable on resource consumption. There are also lighter servers within xorg (kdrive used to be one; I'm not sure what the modern equivalent is). Replacing X entirely is going to leave you unable to run a lot of GUI apps. |
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| 13:46.24 | capt_rogers | hmm, i could also use xubuntu 606 (last version for powerpc) which uses XFCE.. |
| 13:47.07 | chops | capt_rogers: Why do that instead of installing XFCE on Debian? |
| 13:47.34 | SamuraiDio | whats the official debian channel? here, or at irc.debian.org? |
| 13:47.42 | chops | SamuraiDio: irc.debian.org |
| 13:47.59 | capt_rogers | not sure yet |
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| 13:48.15 | simNIX | #debian on freenode |
| 13:48.26 | simNIX | o oficvial |
| 13:48.32 | SamuraiDio | lirezh, what do you mean by short time? |
| 13:48.46 | chops | simNIX: No. This is freenode. irc.debian.org is the official channel. Or do you know something I don't? :-) |
| 13:49.19 | SamuraiDio | hehe... anyway, this channel looks more popular |
| 13:49.32 | chops | SamuraiDio: It is |
| 13:49.38 | pngwn | http://wiki.debian.org/PoundDebianGuidelines |
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| 13:50.45 | chops | pngwn: Where there does it say that freenode is official (and since when is a half-year-old wiki page with some important broken links an authoritative source)? |
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| 13:51.22 | chops | http://www.debian.org/support#irc |
| 13:51.28 | pngwn | Maafter login...and Maulkin was pointing people to that page yesterday |
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| 13:52.09 | chops | pngwn: Oh, in *that* case is must be more authoritative than www.debian.org :-) |
| 13:52.16 | n-iCe | hello I have problems with the clock, select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out , and this is not saving my time in debian. |
| 13:52.20 | pngwn | ;) |
| 13:52.29 | n-iCe | If I use hwclock --show, in terminal, same error, what could be? |
| 13:52.45 | wols | n-iCe: --direct-isa or such |
| 13:52.59 | n-iCe | bash: --direct-isa: command not found |
| 13:53.03 | wols | --directisa I think |
| 13:53.08 | wols | *sigh* |
| 13:53.11 | maligor | heh |
| 13:53.13 | n-iCe | bash: --directisa: command not found |
| 13:53.20 | wols | n-iCe: brain is that thing between the ears. use it |
| 13:53.29 | n-iCe | oops, that was rue |
| 13:53.31 | n-iCe | rude |
| 13:53.43 | maligor | bash: ears: command not found |
| 13:53.48 | n-iCe | bash: --directisa: command not found |
| 13:54.02 | maligor | n-iCe, you do realize what "--" signifies |
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| 13:54.07 | wols | !lart n-iCe with a manpage |
| 13:54.08 | dpkg | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets n-iCe with a manpage feel it |
| 13:54.17 | n-iCe | Mon 07 Jul 2008 03:53:39 AM CDT -0.011930 seconds |
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| 13:54.25 | n-iCe | Now? |
| 13:54.32 | ericpersson | My usbmemory is significantly slower when mounted automatically by I think automount(?), than if I unmount it and manually just does mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0. Anyone seen this before? |
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| 13:55.01 | justin | ericpersson: what options is the automounter mounting it with? |
| 13:55.02 | maligor | ericpersson, what filesystem is it? |
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| 13:55.44 | ericpersson | maligor: vfat, fat16.. |
| 13:55.54 | ericpersson | justin: (rw,nodev,sync,noatime,uid=1000,gid=1000 |
| 13:56.36 | ericpersson | justin: Im not sure where to adjust those options.. |
| 13:56.36 | maligor | sync maybe? |
| 13:56.36 | ericpersson | maligor: should remove sync? |
| 13:56.54 | SamuraiDio | that was funny :) |
| 13:57.21 | SamuraiDio | whow, reportbug is really easy to use :D |
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| 13:57.34 | maligor | ericpersson, mount seems to say sync is even a bad idea for flash |
| 13:57.54 | maligor | the mount man page that is |
| 13:58.08 | MrBrush | how to grep for the amount of lines a command in linux returns? |
| 13:58.17 | cast | wc -l |
| 13:58.25 | ericpersson | maligor: the config file /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf have a comment saying sync is a bad idea which can cause data loss, but that should only be if its unplugged without unmounting it first, right? |
| 13:58.34 | pozic | ericpersson: flash is a different medium and has unique properties. |
| 13:58.48 | cast | ericpersson: what i do is type sync; sync; sync |
| 13:58.50 | SamuraiDio | choc, can i set my email to be always used with reportbug, without specifying --email= ? |
| 13:58.53 | cast | ericpersson: then rip it out :) |
| 13:59.06 | pozic | ericpersson: you can only write to it a relatively few number of times. |
| 13:59.06 | maligor | ericpersson, mm.. I think the problem is with the block sizes flash has |
| 13:59.11 | cast | runs usbmount with async |
| 13:59.12 | ericpersson | cast: well, unmount from the gnome-bar should do the same i guess.. |
| 13:59.22 | justin | maligor: no, the problem is with sync |
| 13:59.30 | pozic | ericpersson: that's why you when you "write" to it, you don't really write to it. |
| 13:59.34 | ericpersson | pozic: i wonder why its there then, im not aware of myself adding it there.. |
| 13:59.50 | maligor | justin, well, 'related to' |
| 14:00.04 | pozic | ericpersson: only when you umount it, it should write to it, thereby minimizing the number of write operations. |
| 14:00.15 | maligor | I just mean with sync you might end up writing data in smaller chunks than flash block sizes |
| 14:00.24 | pozic | ericpersson: that's how it should be configured. |
| 14:00.28 | maligor | which will probably decrease performance too |
| 14:00.32 | justin | ericpersson: why are you using usbmount with gnome? |
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| 14:00.44 | pozic | ericpersson: I don't know what it is by default. |
| 14:01.02 | pozic | ericpersson: but I do know it works as it should here with default options :) |
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| 14:02.24 | ericpersson | justin: I dont know, it just works i think.. is there other options? |
| 14:02.47 | justin | ericpersson: yes, the automount stuff built into gnome |
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| 14:03.23 | ericpersson | justin: so a uninstall of usbmount shouldnt do any harm i guess.. |
| 14:03.48 | justin | ericpersson: install gnome-volume-manager |
| 14:03.57 | ericpersson | justin: will try that instead.. |
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| 14:07.41 | ericpersson | justin, sweet, that did the trick.. |
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| 14:08.08 | alexteiche | hi |
| 14:08.27 | alexteiche | I just installed Debian last night, and it booted fine |
| 14:08.34 | ericpersson | thanks maligor and pozic for the hints.. |
| 14:08.36 | alexteiche | 'but this morning I get hdc: lost interrupt |
| 14:09.01 | ArthurArchnix | I just passed zero percent on my battery, but I usually get about another 20 minutes. I'm just SOL with getting it syncronized right? |
| 14:09.17 | chops | alexteiche: Does it still boot okay? Or does it stop when that message is printed? |
| 14:09.32 | alexteiche | It stops when the message is printed and keeps printing it |
| 14:09.47 | chops | alexteiche: At what point in the boot process does that happen? |
| 14:09.53 | alexteiche | then aftera few minutes it takes me to an initramfs prompt |
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| 14:10.10 | alexteiche | just a sec, lemme boot it |
| 14:10.52 | alexteiche | right after: |
| 14:12.15 | pozic | alexteiche: what's hd temperature? Did you check the cables are connected properly? |
| 14:12.32 | alexteiche | ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.0 (PCI): IRQ=[58] MMIO=[e9104000-e91047ff] Max Packet=[2048] IR/IT contexts=[4/8] |
| 14:12.46 | alexteiche | now it says |
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| 14:12.57 | alexteiche | hdc:host protected area detected |
| 14:13.12 | alexteiche | hdc: Host protected area disables |
| 14:13.21 | alexteiche | begin: mounting root file system |
| 14:13.33 | alexteiche | before that ^ |
| 14:13.37 | alexteiche | hdc: done. |
| 14:13.48 | alexteiche | oh, now its losing the interrupt again |
| 14:13.59 | alexteiche | ok, Ill check cables and temps |
| 14:14.01 | alexteiche | just a sec |
| 14:15.19 | alexteiche | not even warm to the touch |
| 14:15.25 | alexteiche | at all |
| 14:16.06 | ArthurArchnix | anyway for me to just manually tell acpid how long my battery lasts? Like, if I do a full discharge test and it turns off in 70 minutes, can I somehow over-ride the obviously broken auto-detection? |
| 14:16.54 | abrotman | wishes there were an ACPI channel |
| 14:17.03 | chops | alexteiche: Huh. I'm not sure what to tell you, unfortunately :-( |
| 14:17.29 | abrotman | maybe a DMA issue? |
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| 14:17.56 | alexteiche | It worked on Ubuntu right before this |
| 14:17.59 | alexteiche | two days ago |
| 14:18.06 | alexteiche | then Arch before that, and Gentoo before that |
| 14:18.16 | alexteiche | I have used tons of distros |
| 14:18.21 | alexteiche | never an issue |
| 14:19.47 | chops | alexteiche: Not necessarily an issue with your hardware; it could easily be a kernel bug or something |
| 14:19.54 | chops | alexteiche: (Debian-specific kernel bug that is) |
| 14:19.59 | alexteiche | ah |
| 14:20.07 | chops | alexteiche: What version of Debian did you install? |
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| 14:20.12 | alexteiche | Etch |
| 14:20.19 | alexteiche | I think it had a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 14:20.36 | chops | alexteiche: You could try booting the install CD again, see if that works out okay, and if it does chroot to the installed system and install a backported 2.6.24 kernel |
| 14:20.49 | chops | alexteiche: If that one works without problems, you've hit an etch kernel bug most likely |
| 14:20.53 | alexteiche | ok |
| 14:20.55 | ArthurArchnix | or just install lenny unless you have some compelling reason to run etch |
| 14:21.03 | alexteiche | How stable is lenny? |
| 14:21.09 | chops | alexteiche: Booting with acpi=off is also popular voodoo to invoke |
| 14:21.11 | ArthurArchnix | more than hardy |
| 14:21.28 | alexteiche | ArthurArchnix: Ok, good enough for me:P |
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| 14:23.31 | ArthurArchnix | No joke. I switched from Hardy to Lenny and it's been much, much better. X has crashed once on me. Mighta been my fault. |
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| 14:25.13 | ArthurArchnix | I'm now approaching 20 minutes past the moment when gnome told me my battery was at 0%. |
| 14:25.50 | snirks | hello hello. which kernel version can i rest assured have the iwl3945 stuff built in as opposed to patching a kernel with ipw3945-stuff? |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | you don't have to patch it at all |
| 14:26.25 | abrotman | the modules are pre-compiled, just not in the main kernel |
| 14:26.26 | snirks | well applying microcode |
| 14:26.26 | snirks | ok |
| 14:26.26 | abrotman | they all require firmware |
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| 14:26.43 | snirks | so im fine with the 2.6.18? |
| 14:27.08 | abrotman | snirks: if you have non-free/contrib .. you can get the ipw3945-$(uname -r)-modules .. or something like that |
| 14:27.11 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 14:27.11 | antgel | Astroman: ping |
| 14:27.11 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | snirks: make sense ? |
| 14:27.34 | snirks | thanks alot :) |
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| 14:28.42 | Astroman | antgel:pong |
| 14:28.50 | antgel | Astroman: very good ;) |
| 14:29.36 | antgel | Astroman: did you see what abrotman did above? basically the dpkg bot is triggered with the ! character |
| 14:30.05 | antgel | Astroman: but you can message it privately with /msg dpkg |
| 14:30.43 | n-iCe | Same problem here, select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 14:30.56 | antgel | Astroman: usually, you can and should /msg the bot, unless you are showing off or using !tell |
| 14:31.06 | antgel | !start a bot war |
| 14:31.06 | dpkg | Blootbot is the best bot! |
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| 14:31.24 | n-iCe | I added --directisa to hwclock,and same problem |
| 14:31.41 | Astroman | antgel: so "/msg dpkg command" appears in a private channel, and "!command" appears in the main channel? |
| 14:31.56 | antgel | Astroman: correct |
| 14:32.02 | antgel | !msg the bot |
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| 14:32.02 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 14:32.03 | Astroman | antgel: but they display the same thing? |
| 14:32.09 | antgel | Astroman: yep |
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| 14:32.31 | antgel | bloody hell, torrential rain |
| 14:32.50 | Astroman | antgel: we had that about 45 minutes ago |
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| 14:33.29 | antgel | Astroman: so, anyway, hope that helps, the bot knows most stuff |
| 14:33.44 | Astroman | antgel: thanks |
| 14:34.02 | antgel | Astroman: sometimes someone will do !tell <nick> about <something> e.g... |
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| 14:34.13 | antgel | !tell Astroman about debian |
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| 14:34.34 | Astroman | antgel: and that appears in my private dpkg channel |
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| 14:34.56 | antgel | Astroman: that ^^ saves you having to /msg, but some people can't use their irc client, so don't realise that anything happened |
| 14:34.59 | antgel | Astroman: yep |
| 14:35.31 | snirks | abrotman: sorry, where do i get the correct address for the contrib and non-free? |
| 14:37.22 | antgel | !tell snirks about non-free sources |
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| 14:38.50 | snirks | cheers |
| 14:38.52 | abrotman | snirks: /msg dpkg contrib .. /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 14:39.00 | abrotman | wonders why people apologize |
| 14:39.03 | polyoxoanions | the ssh server is not installed when installing basic netinstall of debian stable.. right? |
| 14:39.05 | abrotman | erm .. for stuff like that |
| 14:39.09 | abrotman | polyoxoanions: nope |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | polyoxoanions: openssh-server |
| 14:39.27 | polyoxoanions | abrotman, nope not right or nope its totally supposed to be installed |
| 14:39.36 | abrotman | it's not installed |
| 14:39.42 | abrotman | !info openssh-server etch |
| 14:40.09 | abrotman | i think one of the tasksel options includes it .. but i can't recall which |
| 14:40.22 | dpkg | openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 216 kB, Installed size: 556 kB |
| 14:40.34 | polyoxoanions | aye |
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| 14:40.56 | antgel | abrotman: it's short for "sorry i couldn't be arsed to find out myself" |
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| 14:43.29 | smallfoot- | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 14:43.43 | smallfoot- | debian openssl ^ |
| 14:44.29 | polyoxoanions | smallfoot-, i dont get it can you explain it |
| 14:44.39 | asg | polyoxoanions: /topic |
| 14:44.55 | snirks | hm, the ipw3945 module loads etc but i cannot get my wireless interface to show itself |
| 14:45.42 | smallfoot- | polyoxoanions, the Debian version of OpenSSL has a bug in the random number generator, which made all keys produced predictable and insecure |
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| 14:46.05 | cast | had* |
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| 14:46.21 | abrotman | smallfoot-: drop it |
| 14:46.27 | abrotman | smallfoot-: taken care of a long time ago |
| 14:46.29 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | smallfoot-: troll elsewhere |
| 14:46.37 | smallfoot- | the comic/picture is still hilarious though |
| 14:47.01 | smallfoot- | Debian didn't speak loudly about it though... no full disclosure? |
| 14:47.14 | abrotman | drop it |
| 14:47.17 | smallfoot- | ok :( |
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| 14:48.02 | smallfoot- | how about this then http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/tcv80ipepkza7.jpg ? (different pic) |
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| 14:48.33 | abrotman | smallfoot-: why do you persist? Don't you have something better to do than troll? |
| 14:48.33 | amphi | smallfoot-: everyone has seen those quite some time ago |
| 14:48.40 | pozic | smallfoot-: these things are funny in the same day or week. |
| 14:48.44 | Vasistha | smallfoot-: that was copied from xkcd.com ... too bad I don't see any credit given |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | smallfoot-: don't mention it again |
| 14:49.10 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:49.33 | pozic | You can be banned for less. |
| 14:49.34 | polyoxoanions | lmbo |
| 14:49.44 | smallfoot- | Vasistha, if you click on the image, it takes you to xkcd - http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ |
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| 14:49.52 | Vasistha | oh, now, I think that's giving a little bit too hard of a time, eh? |
| 14:49.52 | smallfoot- | Vasistha, click on the image, i meant |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | polyoxoanions: you should ignore smallfoot- .. he has no idea what he's talking about |
| 14:50.25 | Vasistha | smallfoot-: yeah, I gather, that's good :) if you just link the image, though, no such option is available |
| 14:50.29 | polyoxoanions | abrotman, no i looked it up it was funny okay |
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| 14:50.47 | abrotman | polyoxoanions: i didn't mean the comic .. i meant him telling you that it was vulnerable |
| 14:51.10 | smallfoot- | pozic, I don't really mind. I don't use Debian, I use Ubuntu. Debian existed for many years, and worked hard, then suddenly came Ubuntu and took all Debian, slapped a new name on it, and it got all the popularity, the money, the women, etc. |
| 14:51.14 | polyoxoanions | huh |
| 14:51.29 | pozic | *plonk* |
| 14:52.16 | Vasistha | smallfoot-: do you have a debian question, or are you just here to troll? |
| 14:52.33 | smallfoot- | Vasistha, just here to troll. |
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| 14:52.45 | wols_ | abrotman: you have heard him. please accomodate him |
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| 14:52.47 | wols_ | thank you |
| 14:52.49 | cobol | thank you. |
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| 14:52.58 | abrotman | smallfoot-: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 14:53.11 | abrotman | smallfoot-: please try to keep your facts straight and stay on topic |
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| 14:54.32 | beardy | Fidiot. |
| 14:54.35 | liable | snirks: which kernel? iwlwifi is the preffred driver now |
| 14:54.58 | abrotman | liable: etch |
| 14:55.00 | liable | s/off topic/ a dick/ |
| 14:55.11 | liable | abrotman: right |
| 14:55.18 | liable | snirks: is the daemon running? |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | liable: he hadn't yet installed the non-free bits |
| 14:55.30 | abrotman | is a proxy! |
| 14:55.47 | abrotman | or maybe didn't even know they existed |
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| 14:57.34 | Sysctl___ | hey folks, running newly installed debian etch amd64. Installed "iproute" as required and added lines to /etc/sysctl. when i reboot, it fails to bring up one of my interfaces because it fails saying "Setting kernel variables... error 'net.ipv4.conf.eth0.arp_ignore' is an unknown key" |
| 14:57.47 | snirks | liable: 2.6.18 haha |
| 14:58.42 | liable | snirks: so install the other bits and it should work. it was a reasonable driver at the time. |
| 14:58.56 | Sysctl___ | this is for a load balancing system, so you know, can give more info about which if you like, but was wondering if anyone could give me any indication why the kernel would throw that sort of error? |
| 14:58.57 | liable | apart from having a retarded daemon.. |
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| 15:00.40 | mquin | Sysctl___: that usually happens when "sysctl -p" is run before the ethernet interfaces come up |
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| 15:01.14 | Sysctl___ | mquin: well, the documentation im following says to pre-up sysctl -p > /dev/null |
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| 15:01.44 | Sysctl___ | mquin: is it possible to delay it so the interface can come up before? |
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| 15:02.09 | mquin | you can either do it post-up, or set conf.default.arp_ignore in the pre-up |
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| 15:02.17 | streuner_ | How do you enable gdesklets by default without running it new |
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| 15:02.39 | neurodamage | how do I install the kernel headers for my current system? what pkg is that? |
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| 15:02.52 | mquin | we do the latter, as it saves having to keep sysctl.conf in step with the network configuration |
| 15:03.14 | streuner_ | neurodamage: apt-get install linxu-kernel-headers-`uname -r` ? |
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| 15:03.52 | neurodamage | streuner_, yeah that didn't work ? |
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| 15:04.18 | Vasistha | streuner_: you mean, you want it to start up when you start your DE? |
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| 15:04.29 | streuner_ | neurodamage: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 15:04.33 | streuner_ | Vasistha: yep |
| 15:04.42 | streuner_ | GNOME that is |
| 15:04.59 | neurodamage | streuner_, yeah i tried that after haivng fixed your spellings, but it says the package can't be found :( |
| 15:05.17 | streuner_ | neurodamage: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 15:05.18 | neurodamage | nvm headers instead of kernel i got you, thanks |
| 15:05.20 | Vasistha | streuner_: well, gdesklets would kind of imply ... anyway, I have no idea, but maybe there's something like KDE's Autostart dir? else ... irc.gnome.org :P heh |
| 15:05.22 | Sysctl___ | mquin: thanks. is this just random behaviuor, depending on your system? because i have another server, different model and running i686 etch instead, and it doesnt suffer this problem |
| 15:05.31 | streuner_ | neurodamage: np |
| 15:05.43 | neurodamage | just needed those for the virtual box additions :) |
| 15:06.17 | Vasistha | neurodamage: I think there may be a bug with running virtualbox on 2.6.18 kernels |
| 15:06.23 | neurodamage | oh man |
| 15:06.25 | neurodamage | that sux0rs |
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| 15:06.38 | neurodamage | I'm hoping not cause I don't care that much to get it working then :) |
| 15:06.45 | neurodamage | lots of issues with virtual box additions |
| 15:07.00 | Vasistha | neurodamage: I use a backported kernel anyway, so I haven't had any trouble; but ... I'll see if I can find that documentation |
| 15:08.07 | mquin | Sysctl___: it just depends on when the network drivers are loaded - your other system might be loading them from the initrd or early in the boot process (e.g. from /etc/modules) |
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| 15:08.59 | Vasistha | neurodamage: maybe it is only a problem if you are running a *guest* with a 2.6.18 kernel: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes |
| 15:09.22 | mns | neurodamage: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686 should do what you want |
| 15:09.31 | Sysctl___ | mquin: ah, i see, but running "sysctl -p" and manually bringing up the interface would work just as well, I assume? just asking, because my heartbeaty/ldirector is still failing to bring up the routes |
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| 15:10.40 | georgez | hello... i am running debian on VMWare server and the ethernet interface is not recognized. It seems that it just cannot detect the hardware. Any ideas? thanks |
| 15:10.41 | mquin | Sysctl___: yeah, prior to figuring out the default thing we were just doing sysctl -p in the post up |
| 15:11.14 | mquin | all that matters is that it gets set before you send any traffic to the realservers |
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| 15:11.33 | Vasistha | georgez: sounds a little bit like a #vmware question ... are you absolutely certain you've got vmware set up properly to be presenting an interface to your debian client? |
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| 15:11.56 | georgez | it seems to work for all the other guests including ubuntu and windows |
| 15:12.02 | georgez | and centos actually |
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| 15:12.07 | Vasistha | and the setup is the same |
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| 15:14.32 | c0mrade | is there an effective way of limiting users bandwith usage .. like quota is used for disk usage ? |
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| 15:16.57 | Demosthenes | wow, thats twice in a row that control and shift have completely quit working in X, and i had to kill X to fix it. |
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| 15:20.20 | chris_ | Doesn't look like my server wants to boot... I'm getting /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
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| 15:22.33 | Natalie | hi |
| 15:22.47 | georgez | ok i checked with the #vmware guys... any way to uninstall and reinstall a nic in debian? |
| 15:23.01 | chris_ | I know this happened in Ubuntu before... I needed to boot to a live cd, chroot, and install ubuntu-minimal.... is there any equiv package in debian? |
| 15:23.01 | Natalie | I'm having trouble booting up our server |
| 15:23.29 | Natalie | http://bb.xieke.com/files/debianboot.jpg <- that's what it ends up with |
| 15:23.49 | Natalie | my first guess is that it can't find the harddrive, but if I boot in rescue mode, it's there |
| 15:24.20 | abrotman | Natalie: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 15:25.29 | Natalie | abrotman, no |
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| 15:25.42 | Vasistha | georgez: I think the kernel ought to just detect it. ifconfig -a will tell you what's available |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | i'd guess grub got goofed up |
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| 15:26.01 | Natalie | great |
| 15:26.11 | Natalie | how do I fix it? :( |
| 15:26.17 | Stephen` | live boot cd |
| 15:26.20 | Stephen` | ^^ |
| 15:26.21 | valdyn | Natalie: your real issue isnt visible there, only that /dev/root does not exist, thats not very useful |
| 15:26.40 | valdyn | Natalie: shift-pgup should be able to tell more |
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| 15:27.05 | Vasistha | Natalie: it kind of looks like the root device specification might be wrong. |
| 15:28.21 | chris_ | any suggestions for me? |
| 15:28.53 | Natalie | valdyn, thanks for shift-pgup |
| 15:29.23 | chris_ | O!.... mount: Cannot read /etc/fstab: No such file or directory |
| 15:29.52 | Natalie | valdyn, I have an error: Warning: Missing mdadm.conf file - could that be it? |
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| 15:30.07 | valdyn | Natalie: do you have md raids that you need to boot your system? |
| 15:30.26 | Natalie | I don't believe so |
| 15:30.42 | valdyn | Natalie: you would know, at leaset if you installed that box |
| 15:30.58 | Natalie | I did not, I only got called to it recently |
| 15:31.09 | Natalie | it used to boot fine, it just suddenly stopped |
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| 15:31.26 | valdyn | is chris_ having the same issue? |
| 15:31.41 | valdyn | like a new bug in debian? |
| 15:31.46 | valdyn | Natalie: which debian release is this? |
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| 15:32.15 | Natalie | good question, but I don't know, and I can't find out until I can access the main drive I don't think? |
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| 15:32.31 | valdyn | Natalie: when was rebooting this box successful the last time? |
| 15:32.36 | hedin | hi, i've looked for a vmware repos on google, but can't find one.... |
| 15:32.42 | chris_ | valdyn, I'm wondering if the devices got relabeled... |
| 15:32.54 | Natalie | about a week ago |
| 15:32.59 | Natalie | it doesn't reboot often though |
| 15:33.14 | chris_ | valdyn, I don't there there are vmware repos... afaik anyway |
| 15:33.23 | Natalie | it crashed last week, the last time it was rebooted before that was a few weeks more ago |
| 15:33.29 | valdyn | Natalie: you could have a broken initrd or a broken root=/dev/whatever entry |
| 15:33.38 | valdyn | Natalie: hard to tell without knowing what happend |
| 15:33.41 | Natalie | alright.. I'll quite happily accept that |
| 15:33.44 | Natalie | but how can I fix it? |
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| 15:33.55 | valdyn | Natalie: boot a livecd, use chroot to enter the debian system |
| 15:34.01 | Natalie | omw |
| 15:34.25 | valdyn | Natalie: you can figure out everythign from there |
| 15:34.45 | Natalie | valdyn, which logs would I look at? |
| 15:34.47 | Natalie | what would I test? |
| 15:35.08 | valdyn | Natalie: not logs, look at the current kernel the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:35.29 | Vasistha | Natalie: also, you can probably get a hint at which debian version it is by taking a look at the grub menu. If the kernel is 2.6.18, then it's probably etch, the current stable version |
| 15:35.31 | valdyn | Natalie: and the kernel one older than the current one |
| 15:35.41 | Natalie | right |
| 15:35.50 | Natalie | I believe it's using Lilo, not grub |
| 15:35.52 | valdyn | Natalie: /var/log/dpkg.log to see what was installed |
| 15:36.03 | valdyn | Natalie: thats ok then, /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 15:36.42 | Natalie | right |
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| 15:38.10 | slickming | is there any way so i can disable the login logging in debian? |
| 15:38.40 | Sysctl___ | slickming: just curious, why would you want that? |
| 15:39.04 | slickming | so anyone login the system can be anomy |
| 15:39.38 | Sysctl___ | slickming: ya, why? |
| 15:40.06 | slickming | is it posible? |
| 15:40.31 | slickming | i might not want to do it, but is this possible? |
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| 15:42.02 | Sysctl___ | slickming: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-to-disable-last-login-log-and-disable-last-login-message-when-start-login.-621948/ |
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| 15:42.14 | slickming | thx |
| 15:42.18 | Sysctl___ | not sure if that works, but try it out |
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| 15:43.47 | Sysctl___ | slickming: just would not know why you would want to do that, unless you want to hide your tracks or not care if others break into your server |
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| 15:44.50 | slickming | just curious |
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| 15:45.25 | Sysctl___ | slickming: i'll try not to question your motives, although its hard not to :P |
| 15:45.33 | sobersabre | hi guys. I am trying to setup a 1 box, 2 displays, 2 kbds, 2 mice setup |
| 15:45.49 | slickming | I'm going to hack NASA |
| 15:45.59 | Sysctl___ | lol |
| 15:46.04 | christoz | hello i'm using debian etch and the evince application crashes when i'm trying to copy/paste smth |
| 15:46.15 | sobersabre | Is there a way to know which /dev/input/* file corresponds to which usb keyboard ? |
| 15:46.26 | sobersabre | slickming: what is NASA ? |
| 15:47.28 | Natalie | it's a candy store |
| 15:47.30 | liable | the rocket dudes |
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| 15:48.05 | sobersabre | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour |
| 15:48.26 | slickming | sobersabre: NASA, North Africa Student Association |
| 15:48.40 | Natalie | valdyn, vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 15:48.46 | sobersabre | slickming: ah, that one! |
| 15:50.35 | buntfalke | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 15:50.49 | buntfalke | :-) |
| 15:51.05 | Natalie | valdyn, I've also been informed that it does have a raid, without redundancy |
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| 15:51.24 | sobersabre | hm. I thought of 2 directions: 1. setup 2 xservers, each on another card's output, each on another TCP port, but maybe there's some smarter way. |
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| 15:51.45 | sobersabre | 2. something like solaris - "remote" X sessions. |
| 15:51.51 | sobersabre | any other ideas ? |
| 15:51.52 | Sysctl___ | you can never be sure, its true ;) |
| 15:51.55 | sobersabre | anybody tried ? |
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| 15:52.42 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: it has been done before, but it is a very ugly hack. |
| 15:52.53 | sobersabre | pumpkin0: which of the 2 ? |
| 15:52.57 | sobersabre | the 1. ? |
| 15:53.16 | nido | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.16 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: getting 2 xservers at the same time on one box. |
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| 15:55.05 | sobersabre | nido: seems something like poles or russians :-] |
| 15:55.12 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: the "better" way is to use small, cheap, dumb, used terminals and remoteX to a server. |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:55.17 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 15:55.45 | sobersabre | pumpkin0: this seems redundant in an office with 2 people. |
| 15:56.04 | sobersabre | in either situation - the server goes down, the office needs a technician. |
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| 15:56.32 | valdyn | Natalie: aww, sick |
| 15:56.45 | nido | sobersabre: I found it a pretty funny picture and thought it might chear some of you up. It made me smile |
| 15:56.49 | Natalie | not my choice :P |
| 15:56.59 | valdyn | Natalie: that kernel is the current one? |
| 15:57.00 | streuner_ | How do you enable gdesklets by default without running it new |
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| 15:57.03 | Natalie | yeah |
| 15:57.03 | sobersabre | nido: it is funny indeed, thanks :) |
| 15:57.12 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: well, it is a more stable setup then hacking the kernel into thinking "ok, let's use 2 x-servers at the same time". |
| 15:57.12 | valdyn | Natalie: guess the raid is fine? |
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| 15:57.33 | sobersabre | pumpkin0: will I need to hack the kernel for that ?! |
| 15:57.37 | sobersabre | why ? |
| 15:57.38 | Sysctl___ | nido: you really ought to let others know if you are posting stuff NSFW |
| 15:57.40 | Sysctl___ | :P |
| 15:57.56 | Natalie | valdyn, apart from the 'Warning: Missing mdadm.conf file' |
| 15:58.04 | Natalie | I can access the drive now without problem though |
| 15:58.09 | sobersabre | seems I only need to make 2 instances of X on different TCP and UNIX sockets.... |
| 15:58.13 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: it only has one active VT. You need 2, one for each xserver (at least last time i tried). |
| 15:58.16 | valdyn | Natalie: i dont get how it can be just gone |
| 15:58.19 | sobersabre | is there some problem with graphic card access ?! |
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| 15:58.38 | sobersabre | pumpkin0: isn't VT something X opens ? |
| 15:58.39 | valdyn | Natalie: unless its on the raid |
| 15:58.48 | Natalie | valdyn, yes, it is |
| 15:58.50 | Natalie | i just noticed |
| 15:58.59 | Natalie | it's not connecting the raid for some reason |
| 15:59.04 | pumpkin0 | sobersabre: no, VT are the Alt-ctrl-F1...12 things |
| 15:59.13 | valdyn | Natalie: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
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| 15:59.24 | valdyn | Natalie: that should regenerate the initrd |
| 15:59.40 | sobersabre | pumpkin0: it isn't launched by the kernel though... but by the init process. |
| 15:59.42 | streuner_ | nobody running gdesklets? odd |
| 15:59.43 | sobersabre | Am I wronge ? |
| 15:59.47 | nido | Sysctl___: I'm sorry, I thought it to be SFW enough. I'll be more careful in the future |
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| 16:00.47 | sobersabre | hm...I don't need more VTs. |
| 16:01.02 | Sysctl___ | nido: ;P |
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| 16:01.51 | pozic | streuner_: why would anyone? |
| 16:01.52 | pater | sobersabre: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/ |
| 16:02.20 | sobersabre | pater: thanks, I tried googling, but I somehow reached only 2 displays 1 user issue. thanks. |
| 16:02.23 | netsrot | where do I find sid iso? or do I boot with etch to install sid? |
| 16:02.26 | pozic | streuner_: I ran it, but saw an instable mess of useless software. |
| 16:02.32 | Natalie | valdyn, I get tons more errors, including a 'Incompatible libdevmapper and kernel driver' |
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| 16:02.56 | valdyn | Natalie: compare apt-cache policy on those packages |
| 16:03.05 | pater | sobersabre: my netuplink killed itself by googleing ... |
| 16:03.17 | valdyn | Natalie: installing sid packages onto the etch system and etch kernel could do this i guess |
| 16:03.50 | Natalie | right |
| 16:04.57 | Natalie | can I easily get rid of the sid packages valdyn ? |
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| 16:06.07 | pozic | Where do I find a valid framebuffer device? |
| 16:06.38 | Cerridwen | where can i download the (old) potato floppy discs? (yes, it's 2008, i know) |
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| 16:07.38 | netsrot | nm, I found it in a faq, sorry. |
| 16:07.55 | streuner_ | !listkeys floppies |
| 16:07.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'floppies' by key (15 of 25): #debian boot floppies ;; #debian boot-floppies ;; #debian bootfloppies ;; _default boot floppies ;; boot-floppies ;; custom boot floppies ;; etch floppies ;; install floppies ;; lvm bootfloppies ;; reiser boot floppies ;; reiser bootfloppies ;; reiserfs boot floppies ;; sarge bootfloppies ;; sarge floppies ;; woody bootfloppies. |
| 16:08.04 | hiwk | I have a problem installing pidgin on debian testing, it depends on "perl (>= 5.10.0-11) but 5.10.0-10+lenny1 is to be installed" |
| 16:08.14 | hiwk | I have done apt-get update recently |
| 16:08.33 | hiwk | and tried both ftp.se.debian.org and ftp.fi.debian.org |
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| 16:08.45 | hiwk | any ideas? |
| 16:09.09 | hiwk | my guess is some kind of broken repository cache, but I do not know how to fix it |
| 16:09.16 | christoz | can you suggest me a pdf viewer fot debian etch ...cause evince ...crashes every time i'm trying to cp a paragraph |
| 16:09.24 | hiwk | christoz: xpdf |
| 16:09.25 | valdyn | Natalie: depends on the package, but removing it and installing the old one after that is possible in any case |
| 16:09.39 | streuner_ | christoz: gv? |
| 16:10.39 | Cerridwen | w00t! http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ |
| 16:10.55 | Cerridwen | thanks for listening ... |
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| 16:11.50 | christoz | xpdf is so old! |
| 16:12.14 | hiwk | christoz: acroread then? |
| 16:12.23 | christoz | on etch? |
| 16:12.36 | amphi | christoz: or evince, if you're gnomic |
| 16:12.47 | cobol | evince <3 |
| 16:12.55 | christoz | evince crashes (yes iam gnomic) |
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| 16:13.52 | streuner_ | dpkg, woody bootfloppies is <reply> boot-floppies for Debian woody can be found at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ Please choose the set that fits you best |
| 16:13.53 | dpkg | streuner_: okay |
| 16:13.55 | amphi | christoz: did you run it under gdb to see why? |
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| 16:14.30 | christoz | under gdb...? toy mean run it throug console |
| 16:14.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, no woody bootfloppies is <reply> boot-floppies for Debian woody can be found at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ Please choose the set that fits you best |
| 16:14.34 | liable | debians package has debugging symbols enabled? |
| 16:14.34 | christoz | you* |
| 16:14.34 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
| 16:14.52 | wad | My power went out, drained the UPS on my rock-solid debian etch server. Now, when I try to ssh into it, it takes 19 seconds. "ssh -v" shows that it's hanging out on this step: debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK |
| 16:14.55 | wad | Any ideas? |
| 16:15.08 | amphi | christoz: yes |
| 16:15.09 | Sysctl___ | fsck |
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| 16:15.50 | steven__ | hi |
| 16:16.29 | steven__ | im upgrading a server to debian already using software linux raid, i don't want to format the /home parition, the debian install cd should just detect the existing raid fine correct ? |
| 16:16.48 | valdyn | steven__: does that matter? |
| 16:17.09 | valdyn | steven__: you have system and /home on the same raid? |
| 16:17.18 | hiwk | how do I flush apt-cache's cache? |
| 16:17.50 | Sysctl___ | apt-get purge i think |
| 16:18.00 | valdyn | hiwk: you dont |
| 16:18.14 | Sysctl___ | oh, apt-get clean |
| 16:18.20 | justin | wad: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 16:18.21 | valdyn | hiwk: apt-cache does not have its own cache |
| 16:18.30 | wad | justin, thanks. |
| 16:18.46 | justin | wad: it's DNS probably |
| 16:18.54 | hiwk | valdyn: ok |
| 16:19.01 | wad | justin, yeah, I was just arriving at this same conclusion. :) |
| 16:19.04 | Vasistha | steven__: the debian installer doesn't really do anything without approval, so you're definitely gonna either see those partitions, or not see them, and configure the install based on that. Why don't you just start the installer, and if the partitioning part doesn't detect them, then you can come back here and ask for advice |
| 16:19.19 | Sysctl___ | *should really read before speaking* |
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| 16:19.23 | Vasistha | (and of course abort the install ;) |
| 16:19.43 | justin | !wayttd hiwk |
| 16:19.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hiwk? |
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| 16:20.42 | hiwk | if I do "apt-cache show perl | grep Version" it says both "Version: 5.10.0-11" and "Version: 5.10.0-10+lenny1" |
| 16:20.48 | hiwk | dpkg: I try to install pidgin |
| 16:20.49 | dpkg | hiwk: no idea |
| 16:21.13 | hiwk | "apt-get install pidgin" says "Depends: perl (>= 5.10.0-11) but 5.10.0-10+lenny1 is to be installed" |
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| 16:21.32 | justin | hiwk: are you using lenny? |
| 16:21.38 | Natalie | how can I enable network connections from a rescue cd? |
| 16:21.38 | hiwk | yes |
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| 16:21.51 | zinx | hiwk: apt-cache will show multiple verisons |
| 16:21.56 | zinx | versions :x |
| 16:22.33 | Sysctl___ | natalie: could configure the network interface manually? |
| 16:22.34 | hiwk | zinx: ok, how do I force apt-get to install perl version 5.10.0-11? |
| 16:22.47 | simonrvn | you don't force anything |
| 16:22.50 | zinx | apt-get install perl |
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| 16:23.00 | tzanger | good afternoon |
| 16:23.06 | zinx | or aptitude install perl |
| 16:23.14 | Vasistha | hiwk: I'd like to recommend that you start using aptitude. It'll help you through these problems. |
| 16:23.14 | zinx | they install the latest version available to be installed :/ |
| 16:23.48 | Natalie | Sysctl___, alright. what's the command? |
| 16:23.52 | christoz | amphi there is an error which is about the Epiphany Browser!!!(after evince crashes) and i've noticed tha 2 webpages were loaded ,the 1st is about casino and the other about celebrities!!! |
| 16:23.54 | NoxIn | Natalie: if you can start a shell in the rescued system environement (either when the boot Cd system propose it, or by doing a chroot in the root directory) you can just do /etc/init.d/networking start or ifup eth0 |
| 16:24.05 | Sysctl___ | natalie: are you using dhcp or static ips? |
| 16:24.19 | NoxIn | Natalie: or configure the interface manually with ifconfig eth0 x.y.z.t |
| 16:24.28 | zinx | someone needs to make a gui version of aptitude so people stop using synaptic :P |
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| 16:24.30 | christoz | amphi wtf is going on my system? |
| 16:24.34 | tzanger | I have a standard etch installer on a usb key, and I have been asked to install it on a new server. This is not an issue whatsoever, but I have noticed that the server is a nice quad-core and the CPUs (Xeon E5335) are all 64-bit capable... is there a way to apt-get install a 64-bit base system, or should I replace the installer iso on the usb key with an amd64 version? |
| 16:24.54 | amphi | christoz: 'casino' and 'celebrities' both sound like serious errors |
| 16:24.57 | zinx | tzanger: replace the iso |
| 16:25.08 | justin | tzanger: Xeon==amd? :) |
| 16:25.21 | tzanger | justin: :-) |
| 16:25.22 | tzanger | zinx: ok |
| 16:25.23 | christoz | amphi i have debian no more tha a wek.. |
| 16:25.25 | Vasistha | tzanger: i second that, get a new iso |
| 16:25.25 | zinx | tzanger: as far as debian is concerned, amd64 / x86 are completely different ports, you can't swap between them |
| 16:25.32 | christoz | amphi what should i do |
| 16:25.37 | zinx | tzanger: though the amd64 port does have some x86 packages in it for compatibility |
| 16:25.51 | tzanger | right, I understand that |
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| 16:26.00 | chops | tzanger: Unless you have specific needs for the amd64 version, you should probably use the x86 version |
| 16:26.00 | amphi | christoz: are you on stable, or testing? |
| 16:26.03 | tzanger | I figure if I'm going to be xen-ifying this thing I may as well put it in 64 bit mode too |
| 16:26.05 | cobol | your life will be much easier if you go with an amd64 installer |
| 16:26.06 | christoz | stable amfi |
| 16:26.09 | tzanger | chops: oh? |
| 16:26.09 | christoz | amphi |
| 16:26.11 | cobol | if you want 64 bit |
| 16:26.20 | zinx | chops: why's that? |
| 16:26.26 | amphi | christoz: I'm on testing here, so I can't test |
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| 16:26.58 | zinx | chops: i'm somehow doubting he's going to want to use any of the remaining 32-bit only stuff (that won't even work with compat without a bunch of annoyance) on a server.. |
| 16:27.35 | Sysctl___ | memory alone is a reason to go for 64bit on a server when the option is present |
| 16:27.43 | tzanger | this debian install is just for the xen dom0, it'll also be running windows server 2003 and a few other debian installs too |
| 16:27.55 | christoz | amphi ok if tha happened into your system what you would do? |
| 16:28.09 | chops | zinx: No Macromedia flash, fewer binary-only third-party packages, etc. |
| 16:28.17 | amphi | christoz: I'd run it under gdb, and try to see why it was crashing |
| 16:28.31 | amphi | christoz: perhaps get the src package, and build it with debugging symbols |
| 16:28.31 | zinx | chops: there is macromedia flash in 64-bit debian |
| 16:28.38 | chops | zinx: If he's got >=2GB of memory then it starts to make sense to use amd64 and deal with the (relatively minor) hassles, yes (especially for a server) |
| 16:28.44 | zinx | chops: most binary-only stuff runs with the compat |
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| 16:29.09 | zinx | chops: erh, i should say there's adobe flash in amd64 debian |
| 16:29.19 | christoz | amphi what if i reinstall envince and epipanhy browser again from synaptic? |
| 16:29.21 | chops | zinx: Oh, right you are. I hadn't known that was there now. |
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| 16:29.39 | christoz | and delete tha hidden folders on my home folder |
| 16:29.43 | chops | zinx: So maybe it is getting to be a good idea to use amd64 even without a compelling reason. |
| 16:29.49 | amphi | christoz: what do you expect that to do? |
| 16:29.50 | justin | zinx: is that an actual 64 bit binary, or the same 32bit shit with a wrapper? |
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| 16:29.58 | christoz | to delete some cookies |
| 16:29.59 | zinx | justin: 32-bit with nspluginwrapper |
| 16:30.06 | zinx | justin: but it's automatically set up for you |
| 16:30.26 | christoz | i thnk that my system has being infected |
| 16:30.27 | zinx | justin: until adobe releases a 64-bit flash player, there's not really a better way |
| 16:30.33 | justin | christoz: with cookies? |
| 16:30.44 | zinx | justin: and adobe doesn't seem terribly interested in releasing a 64-bit flash player :/ |
| 16:31.17 | amphi | christoz: reinstalling wouldn't do that; you could remove any dotfiles in your $HOME that are used by those programs |
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| 16:31.37 | christoz | ok |
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| 16:32.26 | omry|work | got a problem with dist upgrade : http://pastebin.ca/1064747 |
| 16:32.32 | omry|work | any idea? |
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| 16:32.49 | SPF | on the website, in the doc section, it says "There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files". Where can I find this? |
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| 16:34.14 | hiwk | Vasistha: thank you, that seemed to solve the problem |
| 16:34.46 | \amethyst | SPF: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/<yourdist>/main/installer-<yourarch>/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 16:34.48 | Vasistha | hiwk: awesome. Now you know why we use aptitude :) |
| 16:35.34 | wad | What's the daemon that runs DNS? |
| 16:35.40 | wad | forgets |
| 16:35.41 | SPF | \amethyst: thx |
| 16:35.49 | hiwk | Vasistha: :P |
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| 16:37.09 | SPF | bind? |
| 16:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | omry|work: how about removing the most probably non-debian libava*cvs packages, that conflict? |
| 16:38.20 | omry|work | CutMeOwnThroat, when I try to remove I get the same error (apt-get remove) |
| 16:39.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what "same error" - "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libavutil.so.49', which is also in package libavutilcvs49"? |
| 16:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I doubt that |
| 16:39.42 | \amethyst | omry|work: maybe remove the old ones with dpkg -r |
| 16:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can use dpkg -r also |
| 16:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
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| 16:40.32 | \amethyst | probably apt is trying to complete the installation of the new ones before removing the old ones |
| 16:40.57 | \amethyst | another way might be to remove them all (old and new), then install the new ones |
| 16:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought, it's not recognizing one as a replacement for the other |
| 16:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's just not uninstalling them |
| 16:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | else... shouldn't there be an error that the removal was unsuccessful? |
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| 16:43.47 | tzanger | idiot me... I think I need the amd64 kernel too on the usb key :-) |
| 16:43.54 | janis | hi there!! I want to install NVIDIA. I have amd64 and repositories from lenny, etch. I am looking for the nvidia-glx for kernel 2.6.22, nut I can't find it. How can I tell which kernel is the current in each release? |
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| 16:44.38 | tzanger | hmm, where the heck do I get the vmlinuz images for tis now |
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| 16:46.09 | amphi | janis: module-assistant should be able to build it for whatever kernel you're running, IMHO |
| 16:46.47 | janis | amphi, I have built the module nvidia. can module-assistant also build nvidia-glx? |
| 16:46.49 | wald0 | where's a howto/tutorial about how to compile kernels and drivers in the "debian way", creating headers packages, and also making these meta-packages with the lot of modules that directly builds building it ? |
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| 16:47.27 | amphi | janis: I believe so, but my ignorance of things nvidia is almost total |
| 16:47.40 | \amethyst | nvidia-glx isn't a kernel module |
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| 16:47.50 | liable | !tell wald0 about kp mantra |
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| 16:48.14 | liable | wald0: add kernel_headers to that command |
| 16:48.19 | dihymo | nvidia -glx will install correctly after you install nvidia-kernel |
| 16:48.32 | n0lif3R | Hi! I'm looking for a web content filter for debian. Must have webbased configuration interface. .. any recommentations? |
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| 16:49.09 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3R: squid |
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| 16:49.33 | Dantix | hi!, my server is logging this message dhcpd: 5 udp packets in 5 too long - dropped each 6 seconds, what this mean? |
| 16:49.35 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3r: i beileve webmin can be used as an interface for it |
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| 16:49.47 | liable | !webmin |
| 16:49.48 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 16:50.18 | Sysctl___ | liable: an alternative to webmin? |
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| 16:51.04 | liable | Sysctl___: vim |
| 16:51.21 | simonrvn | webmin is icky |
| 16:51.24 | Sysctl___ | lol... a "web-based" alternative# |
| 16:51.32 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: Well.... |
| 16:51.51 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: Does it have catagories.. porn, hacking, politics, sports etc. |
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| 16:52.10 | chops | n0lif3R: Those types of web filters are not likely to work very well |
| 16:52.21 | simonrvn | "categories" |
| 16:52.23 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: Say i have problems with one user.. he spends too much time browsing sport sites.. so i'd like to block em from 09-12 and 13-17 |
| 16:52.34 | n0lif3R | simonrvn: Thank you for the correction :) |
| 16:52.43 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3R: yes, at least, it should. squid has all that on our clarkconnect server |
| 16:53.00 | liable | n0lif3R: tell his boss that he's a slack ass. |
| 16:53.02 | chops | n0lif3R: Among other things, the people who write them tend to have some pretty serious agendas (e.g. violence is okay, sex is not; right-wing is okay, left-wing is not) |
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| 16:53.09 | tzanger | hmm; I have the amd64 netinst iso, the md5sum checks out but the installer says that there was a problem reading data from the cdrom (usb key)... where do I find the amd64 vmlinuz, as I think that's the problem here |
| 16:53.19 | n0lif3R | chops: Suits me :) |
| 16:53.31 | simonrvn | n0lif3R: np; phonetic spelling a la "hooked on phonics" is really bad |
| 16:53.36 | amphi | tzanger: testing? |
| 16:53.45 | tzanger | etch, not sure what that is |
| 16:53.53 | n0lif3R | Squid and webmin.. will give it a go |
| 16:53.53 | chops | n0lif3R: I'd recommend having his boss have a chat with him instead of trying to filter :-) |
| 16:53.53 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3R: i find its fairly good, but i've seen some sites posted to the list which are in completely wrong cvategory, ie,. you might find someone posting ebay under porn |
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| 16:54.10 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: Squid+Webmin ? |
| 16:54.20 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: From where do i download updates to the database? |
| 16:54.29 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3r: if you have a spare server and cant be bothered to configure things yourself, try out clarkconnect... |
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| 16:55.02 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: Thank you |
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| 16:55.50 | tzanger | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/ |
| 16:55.59 | tzanger | amphi: I found that ^^ ... look about right? |
| 16:56.11 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: ClarkConnect it's hungry for resources.. i had hoped to build my own system for a transparent embedded device :) .. but it might suit some people |
| 16:56.14 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3r: i also believe smoothwall has squid built into it as well |
| 16:57.34 | n0lif3R | Sysctl___: Thank you once again |
| 16:57.35 | n0lif3R | bye bye |
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| 16:57.58 | Sysctl___ | n0lif3r: that would be rather interesting. you could have a look at damn small linux and see if they have a squid proxy on it |
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| 17:00.23 | mmlj4 | embedded device? why bother with a desktop system, then? |
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| 17:01.41 | amphi | tzanger: ah, stable; I've only done stable base-installs recently, and they worked fine |
| 17:01.57 | giuseppe_ | hi everybody, I'm trying install nvidia drivers from pkg2 file. It say that it need kernel-headers but on my debian 4.0 this package can't be installed. can u help me please? |
| 17:01.58 | Dantix | my server is logging this message "dhcpd: 5 udp packets in 5 too long - dropped each 6 seconds", what this mean? starts to do this during lastnight with no other pcs working.. |
| 17:03.04 | nse | Hello everybody. I just bought a new USb keyboard and I would like to replace the old ps2 with this new one. I don't know how do achive this. I trued Keyboard setting in the GNOME menu without success. Do I have to implement any configurations in the BIOS of the machine or download a debian package? Could anybody help me on going through this? |
| 17:03.26 | zinx | you should be able to just plug it in |
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| 17:03.41 | giuseppe_ | it say it's old and there's an other package for it, but what is it? how can I install headers? |
| 17:03.57 | nse | zinx: Well I did this, it's not working right now |
| 17:03.57 | tzanger | amphi: yeah the i386 install went flawlessly... I found the amd64 vmlinuz and initrd.gz, it boots but now can't find the usb key (cdrom) for the iso |
| 17:04.17 | zinx | nse: then something's probably wrong with your computer's USB :/ |
| 17:04.21 | zinx | that or the keyboard |
| 17:04.34 | Sysctl___ | or a setting in your bios? |
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| 17:04.43 | zinx | no, probably not a setting in the bios |
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| 17:04.51 | zinx | unless the setting is 'disable USB' |
| 17:04.52 | nse | zinx: do you mean that I can have both keyboards working at the same time? |
| 17:04.57 | tzanger | hmm, I can mount /dev/sde1 /mnt just fine from the console... I wonder why the installer can't |
| 17:04.57 | zinx | nse: yes |
| 17:04.59 | netsrot | how do I get /etc/apt/sources.list ? I installed minimal. |
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| 17:05.12 | tzanger | where does the installer normally want to install the cdrom? |
| 17:05.16 | zinx | nse: you can also plug in as many mice as you want :/ |
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| 17:05.22 | netsrot | ops my bad again sorry. |
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| 17:05.40 | nse | then let me check the connections... |
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| 17:06.11 | zinx | nse: the last few lines of dmesg may be helpful to you too |
| 17:06.21 | twobitwork | I have install compiz, but found out its too much for my system... when I tell aptitude to uninstall it, it says "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." |
| 17:06.31 | tzanger | aha amd64 does not seem to have loopback |
| 17:06.34 | tzanger | that's odd |
| 17:06.35 | Sysctl___ | does it show up when you run "lsusb" ? |
| 17:06.39 | twobitwork | how do I go back to just a plain old gnome desktop? |
| 17:06.42 | n3kl | Anyone know how to convert .ape files? |
| 17:06.55 | zinx | twobitwork: aptitude install metacity? |
| 17:07.13 | zinx | twobitwork: though i dunno why you would have uninstalled it |
| 17:07.14 | twobitwork | zinx: nothing to be installed |
| 17:07.18 | tzanger | yep no loopback module for amd64 |
| 17:07.26 | chops | netsrot: If you installed using debian-installer, you should get /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:07.31 | giuseppe_ | guys can u tell me what's the package for kernel headers 64bit on etch? please |
| 17:07.33 | nse | zinx: num lock is lighted now. but I still can't type with it... let me review the connections |
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| 17:07.35 | chops | netsrot: If you really need to generate it, /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:07.39 | zinx | twobitwork: aptitude generally tells you why it won't uninstall something when you tell it to uninstall it (such as when you tried to uninstall compiz) |
| 17:07.46 | twobitwork | zinx: no, I think its still there... its just using compiz instead... how do I get it to use metacity again? |
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| 17:07.51 | chops | giuseppe_: linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:07.54 | tzanger | is that a known problem? |
| 17:07.59 | eth01 | sorry about that ^ |
| 17:08.07 | twobitwork | zinx: nope... it acts like it isnt installed |
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| 17:08.42 | giuseppe_ | chops: thanks a lot for ur attention |
| 17:08.44 | colulu | does anyone know how to install avcodec in debian? |
| 17:08.54 | zinx | twobitwork: there's an alternative 'x-window-manager' |
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| 17:09.33 | chops | giuseppe_: np |
| 17:09.34 | twobitwork | zinx: it points to metacity |
| 17:09.51 | zinx | twobitwork: it looks like gnome-wm may ignore that though, opting for the /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default gconf key, DEFWM environment variable, WINDOW_MANAGER environment variable, or possibly other things |
| 17:09.56 | netsrot | chops: sorry I missread, it did exist, but when I want to install sid faq say to edit it and change stable to unstable, the word stable doesn't exist in it, only etch main, what do I change and to what? I would really like to try sid =) |
| 17:10.01 | Vasistha | colulu: check out debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:10.16 | zinx | twobitwork: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default |
| 17:10.18 | chops | netsrot: If you don't already know how to switch to sid, you probably shouldn't be switching |
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| 17:10.38 | nse | hey zinx! I am typing with the new one... :) |
| 17:10.45 | zinx | nse: grats! |
| 17:10.52 | Vasistha | netsrot: I'm going to second that, I don't think you should be running sid. Why do you want to? |
| 17:11.46 | netsrot | Vasistha: because I want to try ALL the latest packages. |
| 17:11.46 | twobitwork | zinx: yeah, it says /usr/bin/compiz |
| 17:11.54 | Vasistha | netsrot: like what? |
| 17:12.26 | netsrot | Vasistha: everything in a normal base system to see whats comming =) |
| 17:12.33 | zinx | twobitwork: yeah, try uh, gconftool-2 -u /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default |
| 17:12.36 | Vasistha | netsrot: ...do you also want to try all the latest recovery tools? sid is unstable, sometimes your system WILL BREAK AND BE DYSFUNCTIONAL |
| 17:12.43 | tzanger | there we go |
| 17:12.45 | zinx | twobitwork: which will unset the key (debian defaults to metacity if it's not set :P ) |
| 17:12.49 | Vasistha | !sid |
| 17:12.49 | tzanger | used the hd-media initrd.gz |
| 17:12.49 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
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| 17:13.20 | netsrot | Vasistha: if I break things it doesn't mater, I just want to try it. |
| 17:13.26 | Vasistha | tzanger: it's too bad there isn't a link from the doc to the download, huh? :P |
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| 17:13.47 | netsrot | Vasistha: it's not like I'm gonna run it on my server =) |
| 17:14.07 | n3kl | How can I convert an ape lossless file to mp3? |
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| 17:14.34 | Vasistha | netsrot: well, if you're that eager, I'd recommend trying lenny first. it's not that far behind sid right now |
| 17:14.34 | tzanger | Vasistha: that's not the issue... the issue is that the netinst initrd.gz has no loopback module for amd64 (i386 is fine) -- the hd-media initrd.gz has the missing module |
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| 17:14.53 | Vasistha | how funny |
| 17:14.57 | zinx | n3kl: probably decode it to a .wav, then encode an mp3.. there may be some gui converters that preserve tags and such though, dunno |
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| 17:15.51 | n3kl | zinx: what can I use to decode it though? |
| 17:16.04 | zinx | n3kl: some proprietary decoder, i'm sure |
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| 17:16.21 | n3kl | ah |
| 17:16.35 | Vasistha | netsrot: did you notice the dpkg factoid that came up for !sid ? "Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in." -- see, if you don't even know what sources to change and how to upgrade the distro, you are definitely gonna be in over your head with sid. So we here don't advise on how to install it. |
| 17:16.49 | zinx | n3kl: looks Marillat's repository (3rd-party, not debian) has a 'monkeys-audio' package |
| 17:17.00 | netsrot | Vasistha: ok didn't know that it wasn't far behind, I will try Lenny. |
| 17:17.07 | zinx | n3kl: of course, we can't support it here if things go horribly wrong :) |
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| 17:17.27 | Vasistha | netsrot: stuff comes to lenny after being in sid for a week or so -- it's not that long. |
| 17:17.31 | n3kl | zinx: understood. I have been looking forsomething that would run natively on linux. |
| 17:17.37 | n3kl | zinx: thanks |
| 17:17.47 | netsrot | Vasistha: that sounds really great =) |
| 17:18.11 | zinx | n3kl: looks like there's an open source java library, libjmac-java, dunno if anything uses it |
| 17:18.58 | zinx | n3kl: rdepends only shows two player applications, not really converter/decoder apps though they may provide that capability |
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| 17:19.16 | Vasistha | netsrot: yeah, it's much safer, although I'll continue to warn you that stuff will still break. Honestly, if you want cutting-edge, you might be better off trying an ubuntu live CD or something -- if you just want to play around and see what's out there. My experience is that there just aren't that many significant differences; whenever there's something I really need that's shiny new, I can usually get a backport |
| 17:19.23 | netsrot | Vasistha: now I only need to change stable to testing which still doesn't exist in sources. |
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| 17:19.38 | ___Randy | Can anyone please help me get my eth0 up and running? I have two nic's in the machine. One eth1 (which is my internet nic) and one eth0 (which is my local net nic. I had to replace the eth0 because it was broken and it seems to be the same as eth1 in "lspci". But it isnt showing in "ifconfig"... |
| 17:20.14 | netsrot | Vasistha: I'm trying it on a minimal system, ubuntu allways force crap packages on me. |
| 17:20.28 | nido | ___Randy: I think you might need to put an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces. you could just try `dhclient eth0`, see if it dose anythin |
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| 17:21.21 | ___Randy | nido: i have my /etc/network/interfaces already configured. But now i saw the nic as eth2 in "ifconfig -a"?? |
| 17:21.33 | nido | ah |
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| 17:21.43 | Vasistha | netsrot: 1. back up your system, it may break, and you could lose data. 2. change etch to lenny. 3. apt-get update. 4. aptitude dist-upgrade. 5. If it fails midway through, do aptitude -f dist-upgrade again until it finishes. Keep in mind that I have not done this myself, I run a stable system because I don't like trying to fix broken packages |
| 17:21.48 | nido | ___Randy: I can't help you further then. I've had similar ' |
| 17:21.48 | ___Randy | Can i rename it to eth0? |
| 17:21.54 | ___Randy | Ah, ok |
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| 17:22.18 | netsrot | Vasistha: thanks a lot =) |
| 17:22.22 | nido | problems', but wether it is eth0 or eth1 or eth10924 didn't matter much to me. I think you can find it somewhere in hotplug. I'm not sure about that, better investigate further first |
| 17:22.27 | Vasistha | netsrot: don't say I didn't warn you ;) |
| 17:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ___Randy: I think you can rename it to anything ... perhaps except eth0 :) |
| 17:22.55 | wols_ | !tell ___Randy about z25 |
| 17:23.06 | eth01 | say what |
| 17:23.55 | wald0 | liable: that is simply "make-kpkg" no ? i have problems with it like the kernel-headers package doesn't include the symlink "build" or "source" |
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| 17:24.59 | wald0 | liable: im looking at a sidux package called linux-modules-sidux-main-2.6 that is a source package and if i try to build it, it depends of a lot of source-modules, any idea how to create/manage this kind of source packages ? |
| 17:25.02 | ___Randy | wols_: great! thanks, now i should reboot to set it? |
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| 17:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ___Randy: because something must already be assigned to eth0 for your devices to be on eth1/eth2 ... wols' udev thing should work though (I had a different program/package in mind) |
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| 17:27.06 | ___Randy | Hmm, ok, ill try to reboot. Brb if isnt working, and if it works, thanks guys :-) |
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| 17:31.15 | twobitwork | zinx: that worked, thanks |
| 17:31.53 | wols_ | CutMeOwnThroat: that's not true. as soon as you have a new MAC (replacing NICs for example) it will be anohter eth number, even if there is no more eth |
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| 17:31.59 | wols_ | *no more eth0 |
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| 17:35.37 | bolt | http://blog.dhampir.no/where-to-rename-network-interfaces-in-debian-etch |
| 17:35.45 | bolt | jotted that down a while ago |
| 17:36.40 | embkas | I cannot play dvd - my dist is etch and a half, with libdvdcss2, libdvdread. I use kaffeine, but have tried with vlc, totem and mplayer as well. Can anyone help? |
| 17:36.55 | wols_ | !tell embkas about errors |
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| 17:37.55 | Legality | hi |
| 17:38.05 | Legality | how can I see an expired domains dns servers that it used? |
| 17:38.25 | n3kl | embkas: what happens when you do mplayer dvd:// |
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| 17:39.05 | wald0 | !flock |
| 17:39.15 | wald0 | why is not 'flock' on debian ? |
| 17:39.18 | n3kl | Legality: whois |
| 17:39.33 | embkas | n3kl: seems like audio resampling fails: a52: error at resampling |
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| 17:40.15 | embkas | n3kl: it also says that it could not initialize video filters or video output |
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| 17:40.32 | n3kl | embkas: do mplayer -vo dummy dvd:// |
| 17:40.42 | bushblows | window stick on |
| 17:40.51 | Legality | n3kl: whois on where? |
| 17:40.52 | wuxia | i have two monitors; i can use them both via nvidia-settings; xrandr -o left also works; question is ... is it possible for me to run xrandr on one of the two monitors? (but not the other?) |
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| 17:41.09 | buntfalke | What is the cleanest way to issue specific commands during bootup in debian? writing init scripts i guess? |
| 17:41.13 | Legality | n3kl: I mean how can I see a domains nameservers that doesn't exist anymore |
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| 17:41.17 | n3kl | Legality: whois on the domain. Even if its expired, often it will still be available for query |
| 17:41.20 | wald0 | flock is based on firefox but with a lot of nice configurations and features, any idea of why is not on debian yet ? |
| 17:41.29 | wols_ | buntfalke: yes. but it depends on the commands issued |
| 17:41.30 | Legality | n3kl: for example domaintools.com can't see it anymore |
| 17:41.33 | embkas | n3kl: I can hear sound, can't se any video, and I get these messages rolling across the screen: a52: error at resampling |
| 17:41.33 | embkas | a52: C |
| 17:41.37 | n3kl | Legality: whois would be the only way that I know of anyway |
| 17:41.38 | Sysctl___ | legality: not sure this is possible, if it expired and the registrar has changed the dns servers... but if you figure it out, do let me know |
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| 17:41.55 | buntfalke | wols_: for macchanger i guess it is best to put it as a pre-up command in /etc/netw./interfaces? |
| 17:41.56 | embkas | n3kl: a52: CRC check failed! 8 |
| 17:41.59 | RandyboY | Thanks folks, the z25 worked for me(___Randy) :-) |
| 17:42.16 | Legality | fuck |
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| 17:42.22 | n3kl | Legality: ns1.dnscloud.com ns2.dnscloud.com |
| 17:42.38 | wols_ | buntfalke: why a macchanger? |
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| 17:42.52 | n3kl | embkas: you have problems |
| 17:42.55 | buntfalke | Because I would like to have a random mac adress? |
| 17:42.55 | n3kl | embkas: I would google |
| 17:43.27 | embkas | n3kl: I have googled for some hours - aren't that tecnical |
| 17:43.29 | Legality | n3kl: whats that |
| 17:43.48 | Legality | n3kl: why did ya paste those nameservers? |
| 17:44.10 | n3kl | Legality: thats what whois gave as teh name servers for the domain you pasted. |
| 17:44.29 | wols_ | buntfalke: why? |
| 17:44.35 | buntfalke | Why wouldnt I? |
| 17:44.38 | wols_ | buntfalke: no one sees your MAC outside your subnet |
| 17:44.51 | Legality | what domain did I paste? |
| 17:44.59 | Sysctl___ | i think he did it on domaintools |
| 17:45.00 | Sysctl___ | hehe |
| 17:45.05 | Legality | haha |
| 17:45.13 | Sysctl___ | whats the domain you are checking? |
| 17:45.14 | n3kl | Legality: isn't that what you wanted? |
| 17:45.20 | Legality | not really no |
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| 17:45.26 | buntfalke | wols_: so? |
| 17:45.34 | Legality | Sysctl___: can't really publish it |
| 17:45.41 | abrotman | wald0: i think there's an RFP on it |
| 17:45.45 | wols_ | buntfalke: it's futile. and udev might play havoc too on it then |
| 17:45.47 | n3kl | Legality: good luck then |
| 17:45.53 | n3kl | Legality: try whois |
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| 17:45.59 | wald0 | !RFP |
| 17:45.59 | dpkg | rfp is probably a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 17:46.02 | abrotman | wald0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=335459 |
| 17:46.05 | wald0 | thx |
| 17:46.05 | Sysctl___ | legality: fair nuff, i think in your case, the only thing you can do is some google sleuthing... perhaps theres a log somewhere or something |
| 17:46.25 | buntfalke | wols_: nvr had issues with it so far. |
| 17:46.40 | Sysctl___ | legality: the only definate way i could suggest is to contact the registrars / hosting service and ask them |
| 17:46.52 | Legality | yea |
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| 17:47.12 | Sysctl___ | legality: doesnt domains tools show a history of nameserve changes tho? |
| 17:47.17 | Sysctl___ | (might have to pay for it) |
| 17:47.25 | Legality | yea, you have to pay for it |
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| 17:47.44 | buntfalke | wols_: hm *shrug* the only use i see is making it harder to find the same machine again in the same subnet, cause arp wont help. |
| 17:47.54 | Sysctl___ | legality: hehe, well, im stumped/ sorry mate |
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| 17:57.42 | konqi | hi guys (and girls), how can i query dpkg from which repository an installed package came from? |
| 17:57.53 | infinitycircuit | konqi install apt-show-versions |
| 17:58.05 | infinitycircuit | apt-cache policy <package> will show individual packages |
| 17:58.18 | infinitycircuit | apt-show-versions isn't necessary for just asking about individual packages |
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| 17:59.29 | konqi | great! thx |
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| 18:00.15 | Dantix | my server is logging this message "dhcpd: 5 udp packets in 5 too long - dropped each 6 seconds", what this mean? starts to do this during lastnight with no other pcs working.. |
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| 18:01.28 | berzerka | infinitycircuit: yeah, GREAT! thx ;) |
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| 18:02.40 | berzerka | infinitycircuit: will the cache always reflect my currently installed packages, that is if i do "apt-show-versions -a | grep hostname", i get a definitive list of packages which were installed from a repository on that host? |
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| 18:05.11 | lontra | anyone know why iceweasel 3.0 was removed from experimental? |
| 18:05.16 | lontra | or sid i guess |
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| 18:05.53 | zinx | lontra: was it? |
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| 18:06.28 | \amethyst | !iceweasel3 |
| 18:06.29 | dpkg | i guess ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 18:06.41 | \amethyst | it's not in experimental because it's in sid |
| 18:06.48 | lontra | !info iceweasel sid |
| 18:06.51 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3652 kB |
| 18:06.53 | \amethyst | unless you're an m68k user |
| 18:06.58 | pumpkin0 | or http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
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| 18:07.11 | lontra | wtf ... apt-cache show iceweasel is only showing 2.0 ... i thought i had sid enabled |
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| 18:07.52 | Buck_ | lontra, did you check the flux capacitator settings? |
| 18:07.57 | rahul | heh, firefox on m68k |
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| 18:08.01 | berzerka | infinitycircuit: obviously it does not, too bad :/ |
| 18:08.13 | mr_daniel | I want to setup a home server as a file-server, jabber-server, etc. |
| 18:08.25 | mr_daniel | the service I want to be run on the server does not require a sound or graphics card |
| 18:08.35 | mr_daniel | is it possible run and/or install a debian on a server without graphics card? |
| 18:08.39 | lontra | hmm ... well after a new sync w/ sid it's available |
| 18:08.54 | cobol | sure, you can do a headless install |
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| 18:09.27 | rahul | it's easier to install with a monitor conneected and thenn disconnect it, tho |
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| 18:11.12 | up365 | !firefox 3 etch |
| 18:11.12 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 18:11.21 | mr_daniel | and how is this way: remove the server hdd, build it into another computer with a graphic card, install debian on this second computer, and then put the hdd back in to the server |
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| 18:11.46 | cobol | mr_daniel: sure, why not |
| 18:11.48 | mr_daniel | is this possible? or is debian looking at the present hardware in the install process |
| 18:11.53 | Pheagator | mr_daniel: you can always move graphics card ;] |
| 18:12.00 | Pheagator | but i wonder if PCs actually start without a graphic card. |
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| 18:12.15 | mr_daniel | Pheagator: well, thas another question |
| 18:12.17 | pumpkin0 | Pheagator: most do if you play with the BIOS. |
| 18:12.18 | cobol | unless you have an extremely retarded bios |
| 18:12.19 | cobol | they will |
| 18:13.06 | Pheagator | hmm installation through ttyS0 would be funny. |
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| 18:13.25 | Pheagator | personally I had similar problem recently like you mr_daniel, but I had the luxury of onboard vga card ;] |
| 18:13.53 | Pheagator | now there're only ethernet cables and power connected. |
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| 18:16.21 | mr_daniel | Pheagator: yeah, many motherboards have builtin vga-compatibel graphics card todays |
| 18:17.13 | zinx | they need to start putting DVI/HDMI ports on more of them |
| 18:17.14 | rgravener | how do I fix ssl not working in debian? |
| 18:17.36 | n3kl | rgravener: define "not working" |
| 18:17.37 | pumpkin0 | And some don't have VGA/DVI or ttyS0.... setting up a NSLU2 is still fun. |
| 18:17.41 | Eulex | rgravener, client or server? what protocol? what exact software? |
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| 18:17.55 | n3kl | zinx: their starting |
| 18:17.58 | Pheagator | pumpkin0: what's NSLU2? |
| 18:17.58 | rgravener | n3kl, Eulexhttps://podder.tv |
| 18:18.06 | rgravener | https://podder.tv |
| 18:18.19 | pumpkin0 | Pheagator: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 18:18.23 | rgravener | debian, apache 2.x, openssl |
| 18:18.29 | zinx | n3kl: yeah, i noticed.. taking them way too long :) |
| 18:18.53 | Eulex | rgravener, oh, your server? |
| 18:18.58 | mr_daniel | pumpkin0: nslu2 is a great device |
| 18:19.00 | n3kl | rgravener: you are probably trying to speak http over https ports. Check your apache |
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| 18:19.06 | rgravener | ahh i see |
| 18:19.11 | mr_daniel | is own a wrt54gs, which is a great device, too |
| 18:19.11 | n3kl | zinx: no joke |
| 18:19.15 | rgravener | need to enable httpsengine |
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| 18:19.22 | Veros | how do I setup an autologin of a user? |
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| 18:19.41 | n3kl | rgravener: might try #apache |
| 18:19.49 | rgravener | n3kl: there :) |
| 18:20.07 | n3kl | Veros: like a gui login? |
| 18:20.16 | Veros | n3kl: |
| 18:20.22 | Veros | no |
| 18:20.27 | Veros | console |
| 18:20.35 | zinx | rgravener: a2enmod ssl as well |
| 18:21.03 | Veros | so that I start the computer and don't need to enter login and password |
| 18:21.27 | Veros | I have no X or DE |
| 18:21.35 | ice_cream | has the debian package of ff3 had any trouble with latest flash plugin? a few have reported this problem in ubuntu, but i'm not running either atm, so just curious... |
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| 18:22.24 | marast | Hi |
| 18:22.25 | Pheagator | Veros: i think you may want to play with /etc/inittab |
| 18:22.29 | Pheagator | Veros: & read man getty |
| 18:22.40 | n3kl | Veros: there might be something in login.defs |
| 18:23.00 | Pheagator | (use bash instead of login i.e.) |
| 18:23.05 | abrotman | ice_cream: check the BTS .. but probably .. |
| 18:23.10 | marast | Anyone know why page down key in nano/pico over putty is causing it to exit out of the software -- Illegal instuction??? |
| 18:23.20 | n3kl | Pheagator: Ah, I see where you are headed |
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| 18:24.26 | rgravener | ok cool, thanks for the help |
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| 18:24.37 | ice_cream | abrotman, ah ok, you mean just searching /bugs/ |
| 18:25.50 | marast | ? So strange |
| 18:25.57 | abrotman | ice_cream: you do realize that FF3 isn't technically in debian right? we rebrand it as iceweasel right? |
| 18:26.00 | marast | Nano is broken :( |
| 18:26.05 | ice_cream | was just about to say.. |
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| 18:26.06 | Buck_ | use vim |
| 18:26.06 | marast | WHy nano, why!!! |
| 18:26.16 | marast | I don't know vim |
| 18:26.23 | marast | and don't have time to learn |
| 18:26.35 | marast | I only know nano |
| 18:26.36 | ice_cream | abrotman, it's been a very long time since my last debian for personal use, sorry |
| 18:27.08 | Pheagator | marast: learn vi, it's everywhere. |
| 18:27.20 | Buck_ | yay for vim |
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| 18:27.25 | phreak | Bah! |
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| 18:27.33 | phreak | mg/emacs/jed/whatever, refuse vi :P |
| 18:27.43 | n3kl | Attack! |
| 18:27.45 | Pheagator | vim isn't everywhere but still worth some time to spent to learn. |
| 18:27.52 | Buck_ | vim /o/ vim \o\ vim <o> vim \o/ |
| 18:28.19 | Buck_ | http://accurev.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/editor_learning_curves_blog.jpg |
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| 18:28.42 | Pheagator | marast: with default installation of vim you should have vimtutor, it's really nice guide :) |
| 18:28.55 | abrotman | vim-tiny also? |
| 18:28.55 | Pheagator | (you just start it by typing vimtutor in cli) |
| 18:29.08 | n3kl | Buck_: nice |
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| 18:29.25 | marast | I can only use nano |
| 18:29.26 | marast | !!! |
| 18:29.26 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 18:29.27 | marast | :( |
| 18:29.29 | Vasistha | wait, we've really strayed from the point here. What is wrong with nano? I like nano. I use it all the time. vim is a pita |
| 18:29.36 | Bluesky25 | Hello ! |
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| 18:29.43 | marast | I like nano |
| 18:29.44 | ggi | random question |
| 18:29.46 | marast | Its nice and simple |
| 18:29.48 | justin | Vasistha: nano is a peice of crap and a waste of time |
| 18:29.49 | marast | and does the job |
| 18:29.52 | cobol | vim has a command prompt. |
| 18:29.53 | phreak | nevyn: Oh hai! |
| 18:30.04 | ggi | if i'm using 473W, can i use a 500W PSU, or should i get 550,600, even a 750? |
| 18:30.08 | Vasistha | justin: then why is it so popular? |
| 18:30.20 | n3kl | marast: if you knew vi... |
| 18:30.22 | Buck_ | because people don't know any better |
| 18:30.29 | marast | :( |
| 18:30.31 | ice_cream | debian and yet nano...pfft... |
| 18:30.32 | marast | cries |
| 18:30.35 | Pheagator | ggi: is your system unstable / overheating? ;] |
| 18:30.36 | Buck_ | windows isn't popular because it's amazingly good |
| 18:30.43 | phreak | :P |
| 18:30.46 | ggi | bout to order all the components |
| 18:30.48 | \amethyst | Vasistha: because it shows the immediately important keybindings at the bottom |
| 18:30.56 | ggi | Pheagator: right now, its in theory |
| 18:30.56 | Vasistha | ggi: you're using 473W *now*, or when it's a hot day, and you're compiling something, and streaming video, and burning a dvd, and copying a file from one hard drive to another, all at the same time? |
| 18:30.58 | twobitwork | what would be the best way to have multiple linux distro's installed on the same system? just have them all share /boot or something? |
| 18:30.59 | Ian_Daniher | I'm trying to get a bluetooth headset working with my debian system, to stream music from {xmms, mplayer} |
| 18:31.09 | Ian_Daniher | anyone have experience with this and willing to assist me? |
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| 18:31.24 | Buck_ | twobitwork, virtual machines |
| 18:31.26 | ggi | http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine (wattage usage calc) is what i used to calculate that number |
| 18:31.30 | Pheagator | ggi: it heavly depends on PSU and how much of that energy is wasted. |
| 18:31.39 | \amethyst | !bluetooth |
| 18:31.40 | dpkg | i guess bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 18:31.42 | Pheagator | ggi: you should read some docs/reviews on the psu first. |
| 18:31.47 | ggi | Pheagator: apevia 500w |
| 18:31.49 | Vasistha | \amethyst: can't say I like those keybindings, but at least it doesn't do unexpected and insane things if you paste text into it when it is in the wrong "mode" |
| 18:31.53 | \amethyst | Ian_Daniher: I don't have any experience with it, but you might try looking at that link |
| 18:31.54 | Pheagator | ggi: you. not me ;-) |
| 18:32.04 | ggi | reviews say its good, have never seen one of those first hand |
| 18:32.05 | marast | How to fuck do I exit VIM! |
| 18:32.09 | marast | urrr |
| 18:32.11 | Pheagator | marast: kill -9 `pidof vim` |
| 18:32.12 | ggi | :wq |
| 18:32.18 | Ian_Daniher | \amethyst: k |
| 18:32.22 | Pheagator | standard way, everyone are using it ;] |
| 18:32.23 | Vasistha | marast: escape, :q! |
| 18:32.28 | justin | marast: so much for going through the vim tutorial |
| 18:32.34 | \amethyst | marast: :qa! to quit without saving, :wqa to save and quit |
| 18:32.35 | n3kl | Pheagator: evil |
| 18:32.39 | marast | justin: It wasnt there |
| 18:32.49 | Pheagator | (and i'm just kidding ;p) |
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| 18:32.59 | ice_cream | ... |
| 18:33.01 | Pheagator | (but that was the way I exited it when I started to learn how to use it) |
| 18:33.05 | Bluesky25 | I have just installed Debian 4.0r3 on my old PIII 500/256 Mb/8.4Gb. The install process has worked well but my computer does not boot. The Linux kernel loads but fails on RAMDISK loading : "RAMDISK : incomplete write (-28 != 32768) ... crc error". I've checked RAM, Disk & CPU (Memtest + my disk vendor tools) => No problem |
| 18:33.23 | ggi | Pheagator: so if it is a good PSU, should a 500 be enough? or should i be above my watage usage by some margin? |
| 18:33.30 | Bluesky25 | I have made two installs with two different CDs |
| 18:33.31 | marast | makes note NEVER to use VIM again!!!!! |
| 18:33.36 | Bluesky25 | same error |
| 18:33.36 | ggi | wattage* |
| 18:33.42 | Ian_Daniher | I can't figure out how to connect my bluetooth headset to my debian system |
| 18:33.49 | marast | So anyone know why I can't page down in NANO? |
| 18:33.51 | Pheagator | ggi: you have to take some margin. |
| 18:33.53 | Vasistha | marast: I just decided to look through the package list, and I see an editor called "ee" that might be suitable |
| 18:34.03 | justin | marast: because nano is a piece of crap |
| 18:34.11 | justin | Bluesky25: how did you check your memory? |
| 18:34.12 | ggi | Pheagator: that has been my main question, but what is that magic number? |
| 18:34.12 | marast | Why? |
| 18:34.12 | Pheagator | ggi: and "some" depends on many factors. |
| 18:34.14 | \amethyst | ggi: on the one hand, a margin gives you some room for power usage spikes |
| 18:34.17 | ggi | lol |
| 18:34.18 | marast | Why is nano crap! |
| 18:34.18 | marast | ? |
| 18:34.19 | n3kl | marast: more likely, its putty, not nano |
| 18:34.33 | \amethyst | ggi: on the other hand, PSUs are inefficient when they're running below full power |
| 18:34.34 | Pheagator | ggi: there are people out there who already checked that for many PSUs |
| 18:34.37 | justin | marast: if you would bother to go through the vim tutorial you would figure it out for yourself |
| 18:34.44 | Bluesky25 | memtest86 +, during 1 hour |
| 18:34.49 | abrotman | one hour? |
| 18:34.50 | ggi | googling now |
| 18:34.53 | Bluesky25 | justin : (one pass) |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | you mean one day .. surely? |
| 18:34.59 | marast | justin: Stop being a checking turd |
| 18:35.08 | n3kl | ggi: boot time is when your system will usually use the most. YOu want to make sure that you cover for that. |
| 18:35.09 | marast | *cheeky |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | marast: there are other simple text editors if vim is too hard for you |
| 18:35.21 | Bluesky25 | justin: One pass completed |
| 18:35.38 | leftStanding | marast: definitely take the time to learn vim, it will make your life easier |
| 18:35.50 | marast | Right |
| 18:35.51 | leftStanding | marast: plus you can amaze your friends with how quickly you can edit documents |
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| 18:36.05 | marast | I can edit very fast in nano |
| 18:36.09 | marast | WHen it works :) |
| 18:36.10 | abrotman | !info joe etch |
| 18:36.12 | justin | marast: heh, you think you can edit fast |
| 18:36.17 | Bluesky25 | any idea anyone please ? |
| 18:36.26 | abrotman | Bluesky25: let the test run overnight |
| 18:36.33 | dpkg | joe: (user friendly full screen text editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 3.5-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 359 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB |
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| 18:36.41 | abrotman | Bluesky25: also you can try something to stress the entire system |
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| 18:36.49 | justin | Bluesky25: seems to be a common issue... |
| 18:37.01 | marast | meeehhh |
| 18:37.07 | marast | Well thanks all |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | marast: have you tried another emulator? |
| 18:37.14 | marast | I have learnt that I need to learn VIM |
| 18:37.19 | marast | pico |
| 18:37.19 | justin | Bluesky25: think it might be that your HD is bad |
| 18:37.27 | abrotman | marast: emulator .. not editor |
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| 18:37.34 | marast | whats that? |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | pico isn't in debian |
| 18:37.40 | abrotman | putty is an emulator |
| 18:37.44 | marast | oh right |
| 18:37.46 | marast | um no |
| 18:37.46 | Bluesky25 | ok, do you think it is possible that my memtest does not detect error while linux fails to boot everytimes ? |
| 18:37.56 | marast | I am attached to 4 vservers |
| 18:38.02 | marast | via scren |
| 18:38.04 | justin | Bluesky25: yeah, the problem isn't with the memory |
| 18:38.04 | marast | screen |
| 18:38.09 | abrotman | marast: are you using a windows box? or just putty in linux? |
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| 18:38.18 | marast | nano works on them all apart from this one server |
| 18:38.21 | marast | Windows box |
| 18:38.24 | marast | SOrry!!!! |
| 18:38.25 | Bluesky25 | justin: I have tested my disk (Maxtor tools), complete read AND write tests |
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| 18:38.47 | Bluesky25 | justin: no error |
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| 18:38.59 | abrotman | marast: what if you ssh from one of the other boxes to the broken one ? |
| 18:39.15 | justin | Bluesky25: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RAMDISK+%3A+incomplete+write+%28+28+%21%3D+32768&btnG=Search |
| 18:39.15 | marast | Yes |
| 18:39.18 | ggi | well, thanks a bunch Guys. time for mroe research |
| 18:39.26 | ggi | :D |
| 18:39.26 | Vasistha | marast: or joe |
| 18:39.29 | abrotman | marast: also .. might be worth your time to try ssh from cygwin |
| 18:39.31 | justin | Bluesky25: yeah, -28 is an error code.. means the ramdisk ran out of room |
| 18:39.32 | marast | abortman: Doesn't work |
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| 18:39.45 | abrotman | marast: just so you have a backup to ssh |
| 18:39.48 | abrotman | erm .. backup to putty |
| 18:39.49 | Bluesky25 | justin: hardware could actually be the problem since it is quite old but I do not know how to find the exact cause of this problem |
| 18:39.53 | marast | hum |
| 18:40.04 | Bluesky25 | justin: mmm !?? |
| 18:40.52 | Bluesky25 | I'ave already googled a lot and did not find a fix that works... |
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| 18:41.26 | justin | Bluesky25: try booting the kernel with ramdisk_size=20480 or something |
| 18:41.48 | Bluesky25 | ok, I've tried 32767 according to google |
| 18:41.50 | Bluesky25 | ok |
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| 18:41.58 | justin | Bluesky25: try bigger then |
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| 18:42.11 | abrotman | spams Bluesky25 for bigger stuff |
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| 18:43.05 | Veros | Pheagator: I couldn't figure out how to play with /etc/inittab :( |
| 18:43.10 | Bluesky25 | justin: ok |
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| 18:44.07 | Bluesky25 | justin: the -28 error code disappears but I've still got the "crc error" |
| 18:44.26 | Veros | how do I setup an autologin of a user? |
| 18:44.49 | justin | Bluesky25: what does it say now? |
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| 18:45.12 | valdyn | Veros: into X ? |
| 18:45.21 | Veros | valdyn: no, console only |
| 18:45.32 | Vasistha | Veros: it's not a common request ... giyf? |
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| 18:46.33 | valdyn | Veros: man getty, then edit /etc/inittab accordingly |
| 18:46.36 | Bluesky25 | justin: RAMDISK compressed image found at position 0 (same message as usual) |
| 18:46.41 | Pheagator | Veros: there're 7 lines from l0 to l6 |
| 18:46.47 | Pheagator | er |
| 18:46.51 | Pheagator | what am i talking about |
| 18:46.52 | Pheagator | sec. |
| 18:46.58 | justin | Bluesky25: and then? |
| 18:47.01 | Bluesky25 | justin: time: tsc clock..... |
| 18:47.06 | Bluesky25 | justin: crc error |
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| 18:47.18 | Pheagator | Veros: you have lines starting from 1: 2: ... etc up to 6: |
| 18:47.24 | Bluesky25 | justin: VFS: cannot open root device... |
| 18:47.42 | Pheagator | Veros: there is commandline for getty which is run on each vterm |
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| 18:47.59 | Pheagator | Veros: pass -l /bin/bash to getty so that it wont run login. |
| 18:48.03 | justin | Bluesky25: which iso exactly did you use to install the system? |
| 18:48.06 | Pheagator | Veros: it should help but I haven't tested it. |
| 18:48.24 | Bluesky25 | I've tried two iso : businesscard & netinst |
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| 18:48.33 | aboyz | anyone know how to fix this. When i do a nslookup web1.dohma.com i get the EXTERNAL IP 142.121.1.100 . But when I do a ping web1.dohma.com i get 192.168.1.100. nslookup seem to use the external DNS. how do i make it so web1.dohma.com uses 192.168.1.100 when I do a NSLOOKUP anyone know how to do that? thanks.. |
| 18:48.34 | grand_grunt | Hi.. I got issue while compiling quickam driver on Debian Etch. insmod ends with "error inserting 'quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module" |
| 18:48.37 | Bluesky25 | juston: on two different CDRW |
| 18:48.40 | marast | How do you uninstall a package? |
| 18:48.55 | justin | Bluesky25: what iso |
| 18:49.01 | ktwilight | is there like a list of default packages that debian installs for netinst? or is the quickest way to look at the iso image |
| 18:49.02 | ktwilight | ?> |
| 18:49.05 | Pheagator | Veros: you can play with 6th vterm login and logout and you shouldn't need to reboot machine, if you'll find the right command to put in /etc/inittab you may use it for other vterms. |
| 18:49.10 | Bluesky25 | justin: debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 18:49.10 | justin | Bluesky25: reburning it is pointless, you can just verify it the first time |
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| 18:49.26 | Bluesky25 | justin: debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:49.41 | justin | grand_grunt: /msg dpkg insmod |
| 18:49.42 | Bluesky25 | justin: I've checked SHA1 for each one |
| 18:49.49 | docmax | hello, whats a good antivirus programm for linux (with realtime-scanner) |
| 18:49.54 | abrotman | clamav .. |
| 18:50.02 | marast | With freshclam |
| 18:50.10 | docmax | sure? |
| 18:50.11 | Bluesky25 | justin: and burned them on two diffrent CDs just in case of errors on one of my CDs |
| 18:50.14 | justin | there is no such thing as a good antivirus program.. :) |
| 18:50.18 | Veros | Pheagator: lines are these - 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1? |
| 18:50.28 | docmax | when detecting a virus how does it inform me? |
| 18:50.28 | wols_ | docmax: why would you need an AV scannre? |
| 18:50.31 | Pheagator | Veros: yes |
| 18:50.32 | justin | Bluesky25: like I said... pointless. you can just verify the CD |
| 18:50.37 | grand_grunt | "Module quickcam.ko not found." with modprobe.. I am in it's directory |
| 18:50.38 | Thrasymach0s | I am not able to get sound configured on my IBM A21m laptop with a CS46xx chipset and kernel 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian stable). |
| 18:50.39 | marast | docmax: Yes, it works well |
| 18:50.46 | docmax | wols_, perhaps for viruses? |
| 18:50.46 | justin | Bluesky25: plus, the debian installer won't install currupted files in the first place |
| 18:50.52 | Pheagator | Veros: play with 6: (the terminal you switch to while pressing alt+6) |
| 18:50.53 | wols_ | docmax: which ones? |
| 18:50.53 | Bluesky25 | justin: ok |
| 18:50.59 | Pheagator | Veros: or was that alt+f6 |
| 18:51.01 | wols_ | docmax: windows viruses don't plague linux... |
| 18:51.02 | Eulex | Thrasymach0s, did you run alsaconf? |
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| 18:51.11 | marast | docmax: Do yourself a favour though. Don't set up a mail server. Its a pain in the ass |
| 18:51.12 | docmax | how does clamav alarm me when virus is detected? |
| 18:51.22 | wols_ | grand_grunt: modprobe only reADS from your kernel's module directory |
| 18:51.28 | Vasistha | ktwilight: netinst will give you a base system, and if you're connected to the internet while you install it, it will make some options available ... I forget which :P |
| 18:51.32 | marast | docmax: you set up you mda to do stuff with it |
| 18:51.37 | marast | procmail usually |
| 18:51.50 | grand_grunt | wols_: I've just compied the module.. should I move it to another directory? |
| 18:51.50 | justin | grand_grunt: the module name is quickcam |
| 18:51.53 | wols_ | docmax: there is no such thing. clamav mainly scans email when linux acts as a mailserver for windows hosts |
| 18:52.03 | wols_ | grand_grunt: yes. as I told you |
| 18:52.05 | Thrasymach0s | Eulex, yes and it works telling me: "Now ALSA is ready to use." EXCEPT IT DOES NOT WORK. |
| 18:52.08 | Bluesky25 | justin: thanks for help, I'll probably go back later... I'll google two.. |
| 18:52.11 | ktwilight | Vasistha, yea i know, so i guess looking into the iso image will give me the best clue on which are hte installed default packages. thanks :) |
| 18:52.17 | docmax | one second, nonne talks about a mail server |
| 18:52.18 | marast | How do I remove a package? |
| 18:52.20 | justin | Bluesky25: trying 40r2 or 1 might work |
| 18:52.24 | marast | apt-get uninstall maybe??????? |
| 18:52.25 | wols_ | !tell marast about grounding |
| 18:52.26 | docmax | just realtime scanning |
| 18:52.32 | Bluesky25 | justin: why ? |
| 18:52.32 | justin | Bluesky25: i've installed from those on machines with 64M of ram, so i KNOW they work :) |
| 18:52.40 | amphi | Thrasymach0s: did you unmute the channels? ;) |
| 18:52.42 | Vasistha | docmax: why? A linux virus has never been found in the wild |
| 18:52.42 | wols_ | docmax: but there is no real time scanning in debian |
| 18:52.44 | Bluesky25 | justin: ok |
| 18:52.44 | docmax | how does clam av inform me when a virus is detected? |
| 18:52.45 | MrBrush | any german people around? |
| 18:52.50 | wols_ | Vasistha: not really true |
| 18:53.01 | Vasistha | wols_: hum, a popular myth I guess |
| 18:53.01 | wols_ | but the chances of getting one are so small, it's negligible |
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| 18:53.14 | zinx | docmax: clamav scans for Windows viruses |
| 18:53.15 | Bluesky25 | justin: I start downloading ! |
| 18:53.15 | Vasistha | !de |
| 18:53.16 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 18:53.16 | wols_ | !tell MrBrush about de |
| 18:53.24 | docmax | u want to tell me there are no linux viruses around the world? |
| 18:53.27 | Bluesky25 | justin: thanks |
| 18:53.33 | ktwilight | docmax, there is one... |
| 18:53.35 | docmax | i also need it when running windows programs in wine |
| 18:53.36 | zinx | docmax: there are 3, i believe |
| 18:53.40 | ktwilight | docmax, it's called "microsoft" :( |
| 18:53.48 | wols_ | docmax: some commercial vendors have AV software for linux. all snakeoil as AV always is |
| 18:53.49 | zinx | docmax: none of them have managed to make it in the wild |
| 18:53.54 | Bushmills | MrBrush: 82,217,800, according http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany |
| 18:53.55 | Vasistha | docmax: pretty much, yeah. You're pretty safe with linux. |
| 18:54.02 | grand_grunt | wols_: how should I know the right place for "quickcam.ko"? |
| 18:54.03 | MrBrush | Bushmills: LOL |
| 18:54.03 | zinx | docmax: i.e., no one has ever gotten the only ones that exist. |
| 18:54.05 | docmax | Vasistha, u think im german? |
| 18:54.06 | wols_ | docmax: then look for windows scanners, not linux ones |
| 18:54.10 | abrotman | Vasistha: you should qualify that .. |
| 18:54.14 | wols_ | grand_grunt: read the docs |
| 18:54.15 | marast | docmax: it works. Just install it and set it up |
| 18:54.18 | Thrasymach0s | amphi, I raised the levels in amixer. Still no sound. |
| 18:54.24 | abrotman | Vasistha: if you run everything as root .. your danger level goes up quite a bit |
| 18:54.26 | Vasistha | docmax: the !de was for someone else, silly |
| 18:54.41 | zinx | docmax: mind you, there are rootkits, which are not self-propagating |
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| 18:54.51 | amphi | Thrasymach0s: are the channels unmuted? do they show 'M' at the bottom of the bar? |
| 18:54.56 | marast | wols_ : What was that !grounding crap all about? |
| 18:55.02 | Vasistha | abrotman: that's a good point, actually. but really, you're in much more danger from other types of attack than viruses |
| 18:55.03 | docmax | ok, so i dont have to care about virus? |
| 18:55.18 | wols_ | marast: that's what you are supposed to read |
| 18:55.27 | wols_ | docmax: pretty much no |
| 18:55.34 | Pheagator | docmax: care for any 3rd party binaries you run |
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| 18:55.41 | wols_ | docmax: and AV is never the right antidote for viruses anyways |
| 18:55.42 | Vasistha | docmax: probably not. I've never run a virus scanner on linux, and I've been using it about 5 years now. The system is as fast as it's ever been, no noticeable slowdown, ever. |
| 18:55.45 | Pheagator | docmax: updating software you use |
| 18:55.53 | Pheagator | docmax: and controlling access to services you provide |
| 18:56.23 | docmax | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:56.37 | docmax | realy strange |
| 18:56.41 | docmax | !virus |
| 18:56.41 | dpkg | virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent. or a working version of windows without windows, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-tools.en.html#s8.8 |
| 18:56.42 | ktwilight | docmax, what you really need to care about is how you use linux though |
| 18:57.10 | docmax | thats no problem |
| 18:57.28 | n3kl | Can someone tell me of the unichrome graphics devices are capable of playing smooth video? |
| 18:57.40 | docmax | but i know why there no viruses... because the have to be open source.... HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 18:58.10 | marast | YEAHY I FIXED NANO!!! |
| 18:58.12 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 18:58.12 | dpkg | it has been said that unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 18:58.15 | marast | LONG LIVE NANO!!!! |
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| 18:58.28 | abrotman | how did you fix it? put it in vi mode? |
| 18:58.30 | abrotman | hides |
| 18:58.30 | marast | Votes for Nano as best text editor 2008!!!! |
| 18:58.32 | docmax | hates vista |
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| 18:58.44 | maligor | nano the text editor or nano the via processor? |
| 18:58.58 | marast | nano the text editor |
| 18:59.00 | docmax | windows is the greatest billshit ever made...# |
| 18:59.01 | marast | Ofcourse!! |
| 18:59.10 | marast | Vista is AWFUL |
| 18:59.16 | marast | I discrace infast |
| 18:59.25 | hardcampa | Yeah yeah, it's not like we haven't heard this story before in this channel |
| 18:59.28 | marast | It makes me phisically violent |
| 18:59.28 | docmax | XP is somekind of ok |
| 18:59.36 | docmax | but vista is bullshit |
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| 18:59.40 | marast | XP is a good OS |
| 18:59.48 | hardcampa | or that story |
| 18:59.50 | maligor | erhm |
| 18:59.55 | docmax | "do you want vista to search for a solution?" HAHAHAHA |
| 19:00.00 | Thrasymach0s | amphi, what do you mean by "show m"? And show m where? |
| 19:00.03 | Pheagator | Veros: still here? |
| 19:00.03 | docmax | i search problems for myself |
| 19:00.13 | maligor | docmax, do you find many? |
| 19:00.23 | Buck_ | you looking for trouble docmax ? |
| 19:00.24 | marast | throws girlfriends vista laptop at the wall! |
| 19:00.24 | Pheagator | Veros: i just realised that if you break inittab logging in to your system can be a bit difficult, so watch what you're doing. |
| 19:00.27 | Buck_ | them is fighting words |
| 19:00.32 | docmax | in linux i dont have problems |
| 19:00.40 | docmax | do no solutions to search for |
| 19:00.55 | docmax | Buck_, how come? |
| 19:01.15 | Buck_ | nvm :( |
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| 19:05.01 | h3xis | i'm having an issue with the trash applet in gnome. it's completely invisible on the panel and i can't figure out how to make it visible. ive looked it up on google and it appears to be a bug. is there any solution? |
| 19:05.16 | Vasistha | h3xis: irc.gnome.org might know |
| 19:05.26 | h3xis | alright i'll check there. thanks |
| 19:05.36 | Caldrin_home | Can anyone please help me? I tried to do a dist-upgrade and it fails to configure module-init-tools. |
| 19:05.44 | Caldrin_home | It says "dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/modprobe' with |
| 19:05.44 | Caldrin_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.20 | Caldrin_home | Can anyone please tell me, what this means since I have not found any information with google. |
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| 19:06.36 | Vasistha | Caldrin_home: maybe try aptitude -f dist-upgrade to force it |
| 19:07.35 | Caldrin_home | Vasistha: Unfortunatelly this does not help. |
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| 19:07.50 | Caldrin_home | I already tried dpkg --configure --force-all module-init-tools |
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| 19:07.54 | Caldrin_home | It still fails. |
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| 19:10.37 | wols_ | Caldrin_home: dpkg -S /sbin/modprobe |
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| 19:13.12 | xingu | http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=121545641416440&w=2 <-- pretty fly for a pc-guy. |
| 19:13.49 | Caldrin_home | wols_: Someone suggested removing the package with --force, then deleting all diverts and reinstall module_init_tools. |
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| 19:13.52 | Caldrin_home | This worked. |
| 19:14.05 | Caldrin_home | Still I thank you and Vasistha for your help! |
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| 19:17.06 | th1 | is there an easy way to generate a custom initramfs with busybox under Debian? |
| 19:17.11 | CrashSys | Anyone know of a good readme for making a driver-floppy? |
| 19:17.16 | Nyle | xingu, offspring is the shiz |
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| 19:17.47 | zinx | CrashSys: what do you need drivers for? |
| 19:18.34 | CrashSys | HighPoint 2320 Raid Card |
| 19:18.43 | CrashSys | Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 19:19.16 | CrashSys | I have the module compiled in a .ko |
| 19:19.27 | CrashSys | but do I just toss that on a floppy and it will load it? |
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| 19:19.59 | Eulex | CrashSys, is it built for the kernel you |
| 19:20.04 | Eulex | 're going to run? |
| 19:20.34 | CrashSys | Yes, I installed Etch on a spare Hd, compiled kernel, it loads, tossed it on floppy... when in the etch installer I try to load it, it doesn't find it |
| 19:20.58 | CrashSys | I can manually go to the prompt and insmod it and it runs, but will the installer install it correctly in the initrd? |
| 19:21.36 | Eulex | it won't, and doing that isn't doing it 'correctly' either |
| 19:21.42 | Eulex | you will have to do that manually |
| 19:22.06 | CrashSys | right, which is why i'm asking what the correct method is to get the module into debian etch? |
| 19:22.21 | CrashSys | or by manually you mean build the initrd manually? |
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| 19:23.28 | christoz | at this time i'm downloading acrobat reader in .deb format..(debian etch user) will installation be succesfull? |
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| 19:23.50 | Eulex | CrashSys, you could do that, but that would screw things over when your initrd is automatically regenerated. there is a correct way, but I do not remember it. |
| 19:25.03 | Veros | Pheagator: is this correct line? - 6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -l /bin/bash 38400 tty6 |
| 19:25.10 | Veros | Pheagator: is it what you meant? |
| 19:26.00 | Pheagator | Veros: possibly, you should take a look at man getty |
| 19:26.17 | Pheagator | Veros: but looks correct. |
| 19:26.24 | JarZk1 | TÄ? |
| 19:26.35 | kenjy | guys, I have one nvidia graphic card and another virge/dx card, I wanna use two monitors, how can I do this? |
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| 19:27.43 | Veros | Pheagator: when I put that line the 1st and the 6th vterm can't login, the 1st went crazy show some messages and the 6th is just empty |
| 19:28.14 | n3kl | Veros: that will probably spawn as root |
| 19:29.08 | Pheagator | Veros: what kind of messages? |
| 19:29.18 | Veros | Pheagator: ohm my mistake, everything is ok, but vterm 6 doesn't autologin) |
| 19:29.27 | Pheagator | Veros: did you run telinit q? |
| 19:29.27 | Veros | n3kl: what do you mean? |
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| 19:29.37 | Veros | I rebooted |
| 19:29.41 | Pheagator | hm. |
| 19:29.54 | doublehp | in which package is the IPv6 command 'ip' ? |
| 19:30.23 | Eulex | !tell doublehp about search |
| 19:30.26 | enouf | doublehp: iproute{2} |
| 19:30.54 | enouf | it's not an ipv6 command, afaik |
| 19:31.18 | Eulex | and yeah, iproute. I tip for searching for binaries with apt-file is to search for for example bin/ip |
| 19:31.32 | doublehp | Eulex: "aptitude search ip |wc" => 400 ... |
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| 19:31.44 | doublehp | see what i mean ? |
| 19:31.45 | enouf | no |
| 19:31.46 | Veros | Pheagator: what is 38400 there for? |
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| 19:31.48 | enouf | no |
| 19:31.59 | Eulex | doublehp, aptitude doesn't search for files inside packages. |
| 19:32.08 | n3kl | Veros: am I allowed to ask why you want to do this? |
| 19:32.16 | Pheagator | Veros: well, i don't know why it doesn't work. about 38400 see manpage. |
| 19:32.16 | enouf | !tell doublehp -about apt-file because he couldn't read the "search" factoid |
| 19:32.28 | Pheagator | Veros: maybe use rungetty instead of getty |
| 19:32.37 | Eulex | doublehp, the correct approach to search for this is with apt-file, and then perhaps grep for bin/ip$ in the output |
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| 19:32.42 | Pheagator | !info rungetty etch |
| 19:32.44 | Veros | n3kl: no :) |
| 19:32.46 | dpkg | rungetty: (minimal console getty that can run any process), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2-10 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 19:32.59 | doublehp | Eulex: apt-cache returns over 4300 answers ... even worse ! |
| 19:33.02 | Eulex | apt-file search bin/ip|grep ip$ gives three matches |
| 19:33.19 | Eulex | doublehp, apt-cache too doesn't search file names inside packages. *apt-file* does. |
| 19:33.32 | n3kl | Veros: it just seems silly that you want a root prompt on boot up. |
| 19:33.56 | Veros | n3kl: root prompt? I want root autologin |
| 19:34.01 | wols_ | n3kl: it's not silly it's terminally stupid |
| 19:34.08 | wols_ | Veros: idiocy squared |
| 19:34.15 | ice_cream | i have to agree |
| 19:34.22 | Veros | why is that?? |
| 19:34.24 | n3kl | Veros: same thing |
| 19:34.32 | wols_ | security |
| 19:34.36 | Veros | please don't tell me |
| 19:34.40 | Veros | oh, you did |
| 19:34.41 | ice_cream | security/*10000000 |
| 19:34.42 | enouf | wols_: sadly, it's exponential |
| 19:34.42 | Veros | )) |
| 19:34.43 | n3kl | Veros: because its root. Anyone that sits at your computer has root. |
| 19:34.44 | wols_ | you do NOT run stuff as root, unless you have to. NEVER EVER |
| 19:34.49 | ice_cream | whoops |
| 19:34.52 | Veros | I need 0 security |
| 19:34.57 | wols_ | Veros: wrong |
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| 19:34.59 | ice_cream | i meant security/=10000000 |
| 19:35.05 | Pheagator | n3kl: usually direct access means no security at all, regardless of you've root password or not. |
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| 19:35.11 | wols_ | Veros: this box has an internet connection? |
| 19:35.15 | Veros | no |
| 19:35.21 | Pheagator | n3kl: you can always boot with init=/bin/bash, boot from cd, whatever. |
| 19:35.41 | n3kl | Pheagator: which is why I encrypt my hard drives =] |
| 19:35.45 | Veros | and I am sitting here with a shotgun, not letting anyone close to it ))) |
| 19:35.53 | Veros | so I am secure |
| 19:36.15 | adama | how many shotgun shells do you have? |
| 19:36.24 | n3kl | Attack! |
| 19:36.42 | Veros | adama: unlimited |
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| 19:37.03 | Veros | Veros: I 've entered a secret code for that) |
| 19:37.20 | Pheagator | Veros: by a brief look at man rungetty I can see that it is most probably what you want. |
| 19:37.35 | Pheagator | Veros: you can even specify different username to login. |
| 19:37.36 | Veros | oh, thanks, lemme try it |
| 19:38.35 | n3kl | wols_: agreed, I just didn't want to call him an idiot. |
| 19:38.47 | Pheagator | Veros: but please read the manual first ;] |
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| 19:39.16 | Veros | n3kl: those who called me idiot are idiots themselves, cause they don't know where this box is and what it is for |
| 19:39.45 | Gm4n | how do I add a second interface to my box? I have two NICs in it, but only one is listed in ifconfig. |
| 19:40.03 | n3kl | Veros: still, root auto login seems counter productive, no matter the use. |
| 19:40.41 | nido | if ifconfig shows an ipv6 address on the external interface, does this mean I actually have ipv6 working' |
| 19:40.46 | nido | '=? |
| 19:40.46 | n3kl | Gm4n: man interfaces |
| 19:41.07 | n3kl | nido: I would guess so. |
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| 19:41.23 | Veros | n3kl: you see, I don't take linux as a religion and usually want things work the way I need not the way someone else wants it ;) |
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| 19:42.22 | n3kl | Veros: I understand, and you are right to say that we don't know the use and therefore should not judge. |
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| 19:42.32 | buu | Pssh. To judge is to be human. |
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| 19:43.40 | Veros | n3kl: e.g. if it was a multimedia computer without internet would you like it to be locked with a password? maybe yes but not in all cases) |
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| 19:44.53 | Fabio_Como | hello, have someone any idea why I get this error: $ sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com |
| 19:44.53 | Fabio_Como | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.05 | n3kl | Veros: if you are asking me, then yes. For me, there is no point in building/configuring/doing anything if anyone can walk up passwordless and rm -Rf / |
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| 19:46.31 | peterS | n3kl: this would be the same reason you would consider it a waste of time to paint your house? |
| 19:46.40 | Veros | n3kl: someone walking up passwordless and rm -Rf / surely is a rare situation but even for that, personally me would have a backup image of the whole /, it is a nice price for not having to enter password/sudo each time) |
| 19:46.54 | nido | n3kl: however, in most cases it would be acceptable to have a user logged in automagically to a desktop and have it run insert_specific_prog_here. For example play back your media library. This should then be backed up and not writable by said user, but I think it's a case which would work |
| 19:47.23 | n3kl | peterS: I don't have a house to paint |
| 19:47.39 | peterS | whoosh goes the point |
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| 19:47.47 | n3kl | Veros: it would just be more work for you to get you linux-based dvd player operational again |
| 19:48.07 | n3kl | nido: thats the user, not root |
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| 19:48.18 | Nyle | peterS, you hire a painter |
| 19:48.28 | Veros | n3kl: restoring an image is more work? I don't understand you |
| 19:48.32 | peterS | Nyle: why, when anyone can walk up and tag the house at any time? |
| 19:48.45 | Nyle | cuz I iz lazy! |
| 19:48.55 | Nyle | and I can affords it |
| 19:48.58 | n3kl | I'd tag my own house |
| 19:49.07 | nido | n3kl: true |
| 19:49.09 | Veros | and I repeat that would be a very rare case, no that would be completely absolutely very rare situation |
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| 19:49.35 | Fabio_Como | it seems my VPS doesn't allow me to synch the system clock... is there a way to set an offset? |
| 19:49.45 | justin | Fabio_Como: you mean the timezone? |
| 19:49.58 | n3kl | Fabio_Como: tzconfig |
| 19:50.08 | n3kl | er tzselect |
| 19:50.14 | peterS | justin: well he means a timezone but expressed in seconds rather than minutes |
| 19:50.31 | peterS | and in such a way that it doesn't get in the way of a real timezone setting |
| 19:50.36 | Fabio_Como | no.. :( i'm on a virtual server if I try to ntp I get this " step-systime: Operation not permitted", but the system clock has an offset not of a multiple of an hour/ half hour... it's not syncronized.. |
| 19:50.53 | justin | Fabio_Como: xen? |
| 19:51.14 | Fabio_Como | the system clock differs 1 hour and 10 minutes from my clock |
| 19:51.26 | Fabio_Como | it's virtuozzo |
| 19:51.33 | Thrasymach0s | On my laptop with a CS46xx chipset and kernel 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian stable) alsaconf tells me "Now ALSA is ready to use." Except there is no sound(it is not that I forgot to run alsamixer). |
| 19:51.33 | Thrasymach0s | . |
| 19:51.37 | justin | oh, dunno anything about virtuozzo |
| 19:51.57 | justin | Thrasymach0s: sure? no errors+no sound almost always means the volume is down |
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| 19:52.58 | Fabio_Como | my kernel is 2.6.18-8.1.8.el5.028stab039.1 #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 20:23:01 MSD 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:57.01 | peterS | justin: well, except where it means you have an onboard sound card and a PCI card and your speakers are plugged into the wrong one (: |
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| 19:58.15 | Thrasymach0s | I was planning on using the headphone jack only(as I know the internal speaker hardware is broken) does anyone think that could be the problem? Maybe alsa does not support the headphone jack for the chipset... |
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| 19:58.40 | justin | Thrasymach0s: more likely is that your volume is down |
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| 19:59.30 | DexterF | hi |
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| 20:00.01 | Nishikitty | So, stupid question. Been having this one issue for quite a few months, but been working around it by using startx. GDM is complaining of setuids on gtk on window managers that don't even use gtk, for example. It started happening after a apt-get update quite a few months back. |
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| 20:00.02 | DexterF | can't play any ASF videos with xine in etch. mplayer works tho. how do I make xine work, too? |
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| 20:00.23 | abrotman | !tell DexterF about w32codecs |
| 20:01.19 | enouf | peterS: sorry to bother you, really - but when you can - could you please explain again why using 'cp' over 'dd' is the preferred method? I recall something about the kernel's page size (memory stack) but wouldn't a bs=4M with dd do the same? And .. what happens if "hugetlb" is enabled and being used - how about jumbo frames too if transferring over ethernet? Thanks ... |
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| 20:01.35 | DexterF | abrotman: already installed. other formats like wmv9 work ok, only asf borks |
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| 20:01.59 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 20:02.03 | abrotman | DexterF: make sure the w32codecs are up to date .. but some of them just don't work |
| 20:02.04 | peterS | enouf: the main reason to use cp is that the command line syntax is way simpler, and there usually isn't a compelling reason to use dd |
| 20:02.26 | DexterF | abrotman: how come mplayer plays it and xine won't? |
| 20:02.28 | peterS | enouf: 'cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/floppy.img' is a lot more intuitive than 'dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/floppy.img' |
| 20:02.33 | Decepticon | how do i see why my machine rebooted? |
| 20:02.44 | Nazcafan | I have two DVD players, in one of them pushing button eject actually ejects it, on the other one, it doesn't, and I must use the gnome contextual menu, how do I set this up? |
| 20:02.47 | abrotman | DexterF: i don't use mplayer |
| 20:02.55 | Nazcafan | err |
| 20:02.58 | Nazcafan | DVD drives |
| 20:03.00 | DexterF | hmm. |
| 20:03.09 | enouf | peterS: well, dd defaults to bs=512 .. other than that, usually no other params are passed, except maybe errors=noconv,sync or somthhing |
| 20:03.21 | peterS | enouf: sure you can override dd's default block size (which is either 512 or 1024) to 4096 like most C apps use, including cp. that's a pretty minor point though, given the speed of disk I/O and the amount of kernel buffering involved, you won't notice the user buffer size |
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| 20:03.59 | peterS | enouf: yeah but why bother to remember parameters like if= and of=? no other unix utilities use a command line anything like that, except a few foreign utilities like cdrecord |
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| 20:04.19 | enouf | peterS: i see .. yep |
| 20:04.35 | peterS | dd is great when you actually need its features, like when you want conv=noerror |
| 20:05.03 | enouf | peterS: just always curious ya know - . ahh , thanks, i knew i messed that option up :-P |
| 20:05.06 | peterS | but when all you want is to copy data between two files (devices or regular files), dd looks pretty clunky in comparison to cat or cp |
| 20:05.31 | xingu | or rsync ;) |
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| 20:05.42 | xingu | whaddyamean, no checksums? |
| 20:06.00 | enouf | well, one issue is speed for many, the other seems to be ..erm, can one benefit from the cp options over dd, such as -ax ? |
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| 20:06.05 | enouf | peterS: ^^^^ |
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| 20:06.35 | inigo | hello, i'm trying CCFLAGS="-Os -static" ./configure --prefix="/usr/bin/" && make |
| 20:06.42 | inigo | but the result is not a static binary (that says ldd) |
| 20:06.46 | peterS | enouf: people always seem to think of dd for copies to and/or from device files, and there, neither -a nor -x is all that useful |
| 20:06.46 | enouf | peterS: and neither device needs to be mounted to use cp over dd, correct? |
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| 20:06.57 | inigo | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:07.12 | peterS | enouf: think of dd as cat where you can specify input and output files instead of redirecting from the shell |
| 20:07.25 | enouf | peterS: well, the -x seems to be quite useful |
| 20:07.26 | peterS | 'cause that is essentially what it is |
| 20:07.35 | tclineks | don't think this is possible but can i link one one file to another without using more inodes until i modify one of the files? |
| 20:07.37 | wintix | i just installed mysql5 and am unable to bind it to other ips than 127.0.0.1 . i have tried adding another ip to the bind-address = thing but it only binds to 127.0.0.1. is there an easy way to get it to bind to all interfaces? |
| 20:07.46 | peterS | enouf: only when you're copying recursively, and when you're reading or writing raw devices, you rarely want a recursive option |
| 20:07.48 | enouf | peterS: yes, i do , thanks, i see |
| 20:07.57 | tclineks | wintix: 0.0.0.0 |
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| 20:08.43 | enouf | peterS: well, forget the -a :-P |
| 20:08.47 | wintix | tclineks: thank you! :) |
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| 20:10.19 | magyar_ | hi, is there a way to do auth against /etc/pam.s/imap with winbind and unix users? |
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| 20:11.24 | fairway | hi |
| 20:11.31 | fairway | what is the debian equivalent for killproc? |
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| 20:12.05 | peterS | fairway: there is killall. but I don't know what killproc does |
| 20:12.37 | fairway | peterS: I assume its pkill |
| 20:12.39 | fairway | kill according name |
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| 20:13.23 | fairway | is there a debian boot image for USB? |
| 20:13.26 | fairway | usb stick |
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| 20:13.36 | fairway | not necessarily an installer |
| 20:13.50 | fairway | just a USB boot disc to save the current image with zsplit |
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| 20:16.58 | Thrasymach0s | OH MY!!!! I spent so many hours fiddling with ALSA. I just did not realize on the keyboard IBM has built in keys mute/unmute, higher or lower volume; that by using those keyboard keys now the sound works... |
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| 20:17.42 | abrotman | thinkpad ? |
| 20:17.51 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:17.52 | dpkg | usb install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 20:17.55 | Thrasymach0s | yeah a21m |
| 20:18.01 | Nyle | hey |
| 20:18.02 | abrotman | !info tpb etch |
| 20:18.06 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-2.2 (etch), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 20:18.17 | Nyle | whats the exact diff. between pkill and killall? |
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| 20:18.47 | inigo | for the record, i was using CCFLAGS variable instead of CFLAGS |
| 20:18.53 | inigo | now it works |
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| 20:20.15 | Nyle | pkill allows you to type part of the name of a process to kill it, while killall requires the full process name |
| 20:20.21 | Nyle | ahhh thats cool |
| 20:20.26 | Nyle | I didn't know that |
| 20:21.32 | Nyle | !tpb |
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| 20:22.04 | Nyle | Guerin, ping |
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| 20:25.17 | Ford-Prefect | anyone got experience of installing dual soundcards? |
| 20:25.22 | ericpersson | Is it possible to list packages with unmet/broken dependencies in some way? |
| 20:25.40 | Ford-Prefect | I'm interested in recording from my onboard and output from my Sound Blaster |
| 20:25.53 | abrotman | ask #alsa ? |
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| 20:31.04 | ZZZZ | Hi all. I have some problem with squidGuard. Could anybody help me with it here? |
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| 20:34.57 | Saar | is there a way to edit the sources.list file by hand in the debian installer? Can't find a menu option for it in expert mode |
| 20:35.23 | peterS | Saar: you can always shell out (alt-f2) and fire up your favorite editor that happens to be included in the installer |
| 20:35.39 | streuner_ | Saar: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:35.47 | peterS | streuner_: I think you mean /target/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:35.53 | abrotman | bash: msbob: command not found |
| 20:36.04 | Saar | ok, but will the installer accept that and not insist asking for the mirror? |
| 20:36.18 | abrotman | i think he can even preseed that with predefined values |
| 20:36.36 | peterS | Saar: you can manually enter the mirror address and path, there is a menu choice for that |
| 20:36.40 | streuner_ | hm, thats the question, nano is default for debian |
| 20:37.08 | Saar | peterS: where is it? |
| 20:37.29 | peterS | Saar: I forget what it is called, but it is on the list of mirrors. something like 'manually enter your mirror' |
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| 20:38.01 | abrotman | i think it's at the bottom |
| 20:38.05 | Nyle | streuner_, update-alternatives can change it |
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| 20:38.27 | streuner_ | Nyle: do you know the weather in Alaska? |
| 20:38.30 | Saar | peterS: yes but that's not accepting my entries |
| 20:38.41 | Nyle | streuner_, I think its really hot and humid there |
| 20:38.52 | abrotman | Saar: whyt not? malformed? what did you type in? |
| 20:39.07 | Saar | I am looking for what's under 9.3 Fresh Installation ttp://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror_p3 |
| 20:39.10 | abrotman | Saar: likely in the format of "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
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| 20:40.36 | Saar | i have a mirror locally at deb.example.com i enter it manually, it asks for a directory, there is none since its right at that address without any subdirs, it works in sources.list, deb http://deb.example.com etch main contrib |
| 20:40.45 | buu | Hrm. |
| 20:40.56 | buu | Is there any thing equivalent to a bsd jail in debian land? |
| 20:41.00 | Saar | abrotman: so I dont have the /debian |
| 20:41.18 | Saar | figured if i can just edit the sources.list I dont have to battle the installer |
| 20:41.43 | abrotman | so leave it off |
| 20:41.44 | peterS | buu: I don't think the linux kernel can do that. you can do less (a chroot) or more (a virtual machine) if you want |
| 20:41.45 | \amethyst | buu: vserver maybe |
| 20:41.51 | abrotman | deb http://<host>/ etch main |
| 20:41.51 | Saar | so after i type deb.example.com it asks for the subdir, i type nothing and it errors |
| 20:42.04 | buu | \amethyst: Thanks I'll take a look at it. |
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| 20:42.18 | cobol | there's also v-kernel, which is sort of like a solaris zone |
| 20:42.21 | \amethyst | buu: also openvz |
| 20:42.26 | buu | peterS: Essentially I'm pondering spinning up many many many processes that I want to be heavily insulated. |
| 20:42.36 | DeltaS4 | how do I change the desktop environment I want to use on lenny? |
| 20:42.36 | ericpersson | hmm... it appears that a lot of strange errors might come from having different distro names in /etc/apt/sources.list.. ;) |
| 20:42.54 | Nyle | DeltaS4, which one do you want? |
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| 20:43.04 | DeltaS4 | xfce |
| 20:43.11 | Nyle | DeltaS4, and which ones do you have currently installed? (there are a few ways to do this) |
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| 20:43.17 | DeltaS4 | gnome |
| 20:43.24 | Nyle | DeltaS4, 1) remove everything but xfce (remove gnome, remove kde) etc. etc. |
| 20:43.37 | Nyle | DeltaS4, or 2) update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 20:43.40 | Nyle | select the one you wish to use |
| 20:44.00 | Nyle | DeltaS4, or 3) use gdm and in there you can select either kde/gnome or xfce session |
| 20:44.13 | Nyle | DeltaS4, I would suggest either 1 or 2 |
| 20:44.23 | DeltaS4 | thank you :) |
| 20:44.26 | Nyle | sure |
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| 20:44.57 | DeltaS4 | the 2nd option will do the entire job? |
| 20:45.02 | DeltaS4 | or do I need the 1st anyway? |
| 20:45.22 | Nyle | 2nd is good to do |
| 20:45.24 | justin | DeltaS4: update-alternatives changes the system wide default |
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| 20:46.29 | Nyle | in fact, if you aptitude install gdm and /etc/init.d/gdm start (you can select on gdm login screen if you wish to use xfce or gnome) |
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| 20:48.09 | DeltaS4 | so if I do update-alternatives the gnome packages will remain installed? |
| 20:48.14 | Nyle | yes |
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| 20:49.01 | DeltaS4 | ah okay, so I will remove them first because I have only 4gb |
| 20:49.09 | Nyle | !remove gnome |
| 20:49.09 | dpkg | well, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common |
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| 20:52.45 | abrotman | maybe we should mention something about using aptitude to install/remove it :) |
| 20:52.51 | Nyle | ahh |
| 20:52.53 | Nyle | good idea |
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| 20:53.20 | Nyle | dpkg no remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 20:53.20 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 20:53.39 | Nyle | !remove kde |
| 20:53.39 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 20:53.44 | Nyle | word |
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| 20:55.51 | abrotman | that wasn't quite what i meant |
| 20:55.51 | ruf | hi |
| 20:56.00 | ruf | the debian usb boot disc requires an ISO |
| 20:56.11 | ruf | is there one without? |
| 20:56.22 | ruf | to use bash tools |
| 20:56.55 | DeltaS4 | wouldn't aptitude purge be better for "!remove gnome"? |
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| 20:58.37 | format_c | How can I unset a password from a user? |
| 20:58.51 | dondelelcaro | format_c: with passwd |
| 20:59.16 | abrotman | DeltaS4: wouldn't actually do much .. you'd be purging a metapackage |
| 20:59.18 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: doesn't make much difference for gnome, since it's a metapackage and AFAIK doesn't have any config files |
| 20:59.27 | format_c | dondelelcaro, arg thx |
| 20:59.38 | format_c | should read somedays |
| 20:59.43 | DeltaS4 | ruf, http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 20:59.45 | DeltaS4 | ah right |
| 20:59.46 | buntfalke | Can somone recommend a good gnugo gui? non-java kde/qt preferred |
| 21:00.02 | abrotman | like .. the game Go ? |
| 21:00.15 | DeltaS4 | I asked because I saw that for remove kde |
| 21:00.48 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: the best that I've found is qgo |
| 21:00.58 | abrotman | buntfalke: like .. gtkgo ? |
| 21:01.06 | abrotman | oh .. qt preferrned |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | nice typing |
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| 21:01.31 | buntfalke | dondelelcaro: hmm, i'll give it a try. |
| 21:01.36 | buntfalke | glGo isnt in debian, is it? |
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| 21:03.47 | Hygucm | â ðîò ìíå íîãè |
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| 21:04.56 | buntfalke | Hygucm: try #test for testing purposes :-) |
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| 21:05.06 | Hygucm | wtf? |
| 21:05.11 | Hygucm | fuck my brain |
| 21:05.30 | enouf | no, it's fugly |
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| 21:06.03 | enouf | buh bai now |
| 21:06.14 | streuner_ | Hygucm: stop that |
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| 21:06.24 | buu | He's doing it in other channels. |
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| 21:06.30 | Nyle | hmm |
| 21:06.43 | Nyle | what was that supposed to be anyway |
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| 21:06.50 | enouf | ... |
| 21:07.07 | buntfalke | is there a command to install .deb files and let apt resolve the dependencies needed? |
| 21:07.14 | buntfalke | without setting up a repo, that is |
| 21:07.26 | Nyle | buntfalke, dpkg -i will install a deb, and error out if dependency is not met |
| 21:07.32 | enouf | use apt-get or aptitude and be happy |
| 21:07.43 | Nyle | buntfalke, where in chich case you do aptitude -f install and it should resolve the it |
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| 21:07.46 | Nyle | er.. them* |
| 21:08.03 | buntfalke | enouf: do they support he direct usage of .deb archives? i should check the manual again if so. |
| 21:08.27 | Nyle | i just told you |
| 21:08.28 | Nyle | ... |
| 21:08.44 | enouf | you don't need 'direct usage of .deb archives' |
| 21:09.04 | Nyle | (to avoid manual dependency resolutions, we have created the advanced package tool, apt, or aptitude) |
| 21:09.19 | enouf | if you need to ask about it, it means you don't need it |
| 21:09.21 | Nyle | use them.. with a repo, man dpkg to learn how to install .deb manually |
| 21:09.22 | dub | what if he needs an old package |
| 21:09.27 | buntfalke | enouf: ... |
| 21:09.42 | enouf | see last comment |
| 21:10.07 | Nyle | dub, snapshot |
| 21:10.11 | Nyle | !sdn |
| 21:10.11 | dpkg | snapshots is probably an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 21:13.19 | dub | Nyle, my point was more 'OMG USE APT NOOB' prbably isnt the answer |
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| 21:14.40 | buntfalke | enouf: How about giving me a hint on where to look for how to use .deb files except to use dpkg -i for installing them which doesnt seem to check dependencies and so on? |
| 21:14.51 | enouf | yes, yes it it the answer |
| 21:14.57 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: it does check dependencies, but it doesn't resolve them. |
| 21:14.58 | enouf | s/is |
| 21:15.06 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: just use dpkg -i, then aptitude, or apt-get -f install; |
| 21:15.09 | dub | buntfalke, there probably isnt an easy way, try using dpkg -i and manually add the deps |
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| 21:15.18 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: or if you want, make a local repository, and install them that way. |
| 21:15.19 | buntfalke | hmmm, i see. thanks. |
| 21:15.41 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: making aptitude install foopkg.deb; work is a wishlist bug; I don't know what the current status is on it. |
| 21:15.57 | buntfalke | good to know, thanks |
| 21:16.36 | enouf | dondelelcaro: suppose it's a sid .deb onto a etch install? |
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| 21:17.03 | enouf | which is the basis for my whole "if you don't know, you shouldn't" |
| 21:17.07 | dondelelcaro | enouf: so? |
| 21:17.19 | Saar | ok i figured that out, had to add a "/" for the subdir |
| 21:17.26 | dondelelcaro | if someone breaks it, they get to keep all the pieces |
| 21:17.30 | enouf | dondelelcaro: you mean "auto" simple sid backport? |
| 21:17.38 | enouf | i see |
| 21:17.42 | enouf | right |
| 21:18.04 | dondelelcaro | (and apt-get -f install would generally just remove the package in such a case anyway) |
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| 21:18.22 | buntfalke | Well... for one thing "If you dont know, you shouldn't." remarks basically never leed to people not doing something, but rather potentially dangerous experimentation as there is not acceptable reason given. |
| 21:18.22 | dondelelcaro | (unless you had tried to upgrade a package, or something else stupid) |
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| 21:18.41 | enouf | wonderful -- more reasons for weenies to whine |
| 21:19.00 | buntfalke | for the next thing, there are people who know pretty well what they do, because they are used to the actual software systems they are working with, but are not familiar with how to do it, using a specific distribution of them |
| 21:19.01 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: the point is that the question you're asking involved really basic skills with apt-get and dpkg; you should learn them really quickly. |
| 21:19.36 | mqt | anyone run xmodmap from xinitrc/xession? Mine stopped working several months ago so now I have to wait until my WM starts then run xmodmap from a terminal |
| 21:19.51 | dondelelcaro | mqt: works fine here |
| 21:19.57 | buntfalke | So. I asked a question, knowing well what I am doing, that it is unclean to do so, and god knows what, and i just didnt know what the debian approach to that problem might be and wantd a quick hint on which manual to check to reduce useless searching time for the correct piece of documentation. |
| 21:20.04 | Nyle | dub, I don't understand your point |
| 21:20.13 | enouf | buntfalke: but you gave no specifics |
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| 21:20.33 | enouf | buntfalke: so you get the "general" answer .. |
| 21:20.39 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: well, now you know, and you know why we we were reluctant to tell you directly. |
| 21:20.52 | dondelelcaro | buntfalke: and if you don't, you whould read the documentation which explains the commands that I gave. |
| 21:20.55 | dub | Nyle, theres a tendency for knowitall behavior in here |
| 21:21.06 | buntfalke | enouf: what specifically was missing to answer the real question? i gave all information to tell me "use dpkg to install, apt/-itude to resolve" |
| 21:21.08 | dub | thats a prime example |
| 21:21.30 | enouf | buntfalke: that statement in and of itself is all too telling |
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| 21:21.43 | buntfalke | oh well...let's forget about it. |
| 21:21.52 | enouf | buntfalke: it's lacking valuable pertinent info |
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| 21:22.07 | dub | buntfalke, I'd give up the conversation, its the culture here and its pretty gay but not much you can do |
| 21:22.14 | dondelelcaro | enouf: drop it |
| 21:22.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell dub -about gay |
| 21:22.44 | dub | dondelelcaro, what time do you get off? :) |
| 21:22.55 | enouf | buntfalke: learn about the debian "releases" .. i'm done with this nonsense |
| 21:23.56 | dub | enouf, would you consider lenny a good release for him? |
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| 21:24.28 | buntfalke | enouf: what do releases have to do with this?! i am not installing software belonging to a different release. i never said so. |
| 21:25.27 | vjoe | guys, how am I supposed to "install" the Firefox tar.gz package which I download from Mozilla website? |
| 21:25.53 | dondelelcaro | vjoe: you don't. |
| 21:26.00 | dondelelcaro | vjoe: use the iceweasel package |
| 21:26.01 | vjoe | hm.. |
| 21:26.06 | vjoe | yeah but I want to know |
| 21:26.19 | vjoe | do I copy it to /usr/local folder? |
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| 21:26.33 | dondelelcaro | vjoe: no, you build it, and you don't want to use it. |
| 21:26.45 | buntfalke | vjoe: better build a .deb package for it, if you really wanna use it |
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| 21:27.07 | dondelelcaro | vjoe: there's almost no difference between it and the packages that we already distribute |
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| 21:29.40 | garotosopa | I changed libglx.so to the one shipped with the binary nvidia driver. How do I tell that this file should not be rewritten by X upgrades? |
| 21:30.14 | dondelelcaro | garotosopa: you use an override |
| 21:30.36 | dondelelcaro | garotosopa: however, you should have followed the nvidia installation instructions that dpkg will tell you, which handles all of this for you automatically. |
| 21:31.36 | garotosopa | dondelelcaro, dpkg would tell me? but I manually downloaded and installed it from the nvidia website. |
| 21:31.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell garotosopa -about nvidia |
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| 21:32.25 | garotosopa | ohh fool me. this dpkg. not dpkg itself. |
| 21:32.51 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 21:32.57 | dondelelcaro | !now you know |
| 21:32.58 | dpkg | And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
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| 21:33.08 | axolx_ | hey guys -- when i ssh into a server i often get timed out. when i SSH back in, debian thinks im logged in twice . how can i kill the other terminals that timed out? |
| 21:33.27 | enouf | dpkg: what are you? |
| 21:33.27 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 21:33.29 | dondelelcaro | axolx_: kill the shell or sshd that you're logged in from |
| 21:33.40 | axolx_ | dondelelcaro: what signal? |
| 21:33.48 | dondelelcaro | axolx_: doesn't really matter |
| 21:33.52 | enouf | hrm, where's my bloot :-/ |
| 21:34.10 | axolx_ | dondelelcaro: does debian eventually kill them if i dont? |
| 21:34.19 | Bravewolf | Hello all! Is there the possibility for amule 2.2.1 (depends on wxwidgets2.8) to reach testing BEFORE the freeze? |
| 21:34.23 | dondelelcaro | axolx_: yes |
| 21:34.41 | dondelelcaro | axolx_: though it may take a while; the tcp connection has to time out |
| 21:34.56 | Bravewolf | It would be very great to have the new-long-waited version of amule in lenny |
| 21:35.23 | enouf | erm, shouldn't the 'a infobot' be 'an infobot'? |
| 21:35.31 | axolx_ | dondelelcaro: any idea how long? 24hs? 1 month? |
| 21:35.33 | enouf | someone altered the bloot :-P |
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| 21:47.08 | Sebby | i tryed to install some packeges doing apt-get install postgresql-8*.* and when almost finishh said that i don`t have enough room error now that i have enough space how can i fix it because o got an error when i did apt-get .. |
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| 21:54.24 | kanzure | xrandr, xinerama, TwinView, xdmx, synergy, MultiMon, UltraMon, MultiSeat; hrm. How can I best do a multimonitor setup? I was thinking I'd just throw in some dualhead video cards into the PCI slots, but the configuration details are not obvious. |
| 21:55.09 | kanzure | Given no other options I'd be okay with throwing up a small cluster with each motherboard devoted to a monitor, as long as there's seamless integration with the overall system, but surely there's a better way to do this? |
| 21:55.27 | Nyle | 1 dual head card or two single head cards |
| 21:55.33 | Nyle | xrandr |
| 21:55.45 | Nyle | i advise against ati big desktop and/or nvidia twinview |
| 21:55.58 | Nyle | combined framebuffer is very bad in refresh rates |
| 21:56.04 | Nyle | 50~ish k |
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| 22:01.26 | davi | !paste |
| 22:01.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 22:06.09 | rdz | hi all. this is a very generic question: is there a way to find out, what a gui-application does, when hitting a certain button? i am looking for commandline substitutions for some stuff and wonder how i could achieve the same as the gui-counterpart. for example: gnome-mouse-properties can enable/disable the touchpad on the fly. i would rather to assign that to a shortcut that having to open the dialog everytime i need it |
| 22:06.21 | micols | xprop rdz |
| 22:06.33 | rdz | micols, thanks i'll check |
| 22:07.00 | micols | you will probably need to edit the source .. |
| 22:07.05 | micols | if you want to do what you say |
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| 22:07.14 | rdz | micols, the source of xprop? |
| 22:07.20 | micols | also you could x sendkeys |
| 22:07.29 | rdz | micols, but how can gnome-mouse-pointer do it? |
| 22:07.58 | micols | rdz: probably calling some server of some sort |
| 22:08.11 | micols | but you're better off viewing th sourcecode of gnome-mouse-pointer |
| 22:08.13 | micols | to find out |
| 22:08.28 | rdz | micols, yeah, i tried... but i don't get a clue at all, unfortunately |
| 22:08.39 | rdz | i only understand railway station |
| 22:08.58 | micols | you can use qsynaptics.. |
| 22:09.01 | micols | for disabling touchpad |
| 22:09.12 | micols | it takes commandline arguments |
| 22:09.17 | rdz | ile] [-remove prop? |
| 22:09.17 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.17 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.23 | rdz | oops... sorry.. wrong paste |
| 22:09.31 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/xkosMt60.html why do I have 169.254.0.0 ??? |
| 22:09.32 | rdz | micols, thanks |
| 22:09.35 | micols | use qsynaptics.. no reason to do what youre doing if you just want to mangle with touchpad settings |
| 22:09.39 | micols | automatically. |
| 22:09.43 | Bluesky25 | justin: I've just tried 3.0r5 (2.4 kernel) => no problem |
| 22:10.00 | micols | i got qsynaptics -r& in my .xsession |
| 22:10.07 | micols | for restoring my touchpad settings with qsynaptics |
| 22:10.12 | Bluesky25 | justin: if I try 2.6 => system hangs during ramfs generation |
| 22:10.50 | micols | hm rdz sorry, i really thought it did take more options |
| 22:10.54 | micols | it doesnt |
| 22:11.11 | micols | but you could create one .qsynaptics file and restore resttings from that with -r |
| 22:11.20 | micols | and then change it to allow your mouse and restore again. |
| 22:11.25 | micols | ugly hack, but will work. |
| 22:11.29 | rdz | micols, ah.. that sounds doable |
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| 22:12.11 | rdz | micols, thanks a lot.... there is light at the end of the tunnel since quite some time on tapping around in the dark...cool |
| 22:12.38 | micols | rdz: qsynaptics can adjust everything on a synaptics touchpad driver |
| 22:12.45 | micols | from tapping delay to disabling completely etc. |
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| 22:13.10 | micols | and you dont have to look at the dialog box popping up for doing that :) |
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| 22:13.36 | Veros | I did this update.rc-d <script> to add the script to auto start. How do I remove it now? |
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| 22:14.05 | Veros | I used update.rc-d <script> defaults 19 |
| 22:14.23 | micols | hm i would just remove the synlink manually from /etc/rc2.d/S19 |
| 22:14.34 | micols | but not the "debian" way to do it |
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| 22:15.05 | markvandenborre | has there been any strange problem with mysql on lenny lately? |
| 22:15.57 | janne-5012 | hello I have script in 2 parts. and I want what it do go to "background". what can i put in it so that happend? |
| 22:16.06 | buu | & |
| 22:17.45 | janne-5012 | ok I try it buu |
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| 22:21.26 | janne-5012 | didnt work=) |
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| 22:23.19 | buu | Perhaps you typed it incorrectly? |
| 22:24.57 | avu | janne-5012, if by script you mean 'shellscript', then adding a & to the end of one command will make that command run in the background.. |
| 22:25.06 | micols | finally.. openoffice2.0 has been fixed |
| 22:25.17 | micols | in a new etch install i made. |
| 22:25.19 | wald0 | c/quit |
| 22:25.23 | Baloo | Ah, shit, I gotta run back to campus. |
| 22:25.26 | janne-5012 | I found out a better way thanks anyway |
| 22:25.30 | Baloo | And I said that to the wrong channel. |
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| 22:29.47 | DexterF | micols: what about OOo has been fixed exactly? |
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| 22:49.28 | Demosthenes | man, anything but quicken. i really don't want to buy their software. anyone know any pay for linux accounting software? |
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| 22:50.35 | xsdg | Demosthenes: "pay for linux"? |
| 22:50.43 | zyx386 | i have problem with .PO file, i have the language_file_version2.PO and i well now translate language_file_version3.po, my question is: can i import the old file into new file and translate just new line fron version3 or must i completly from begin translate?? |
| 22:50.49 | LaicepS | Hello everyone. I juste installed debian x38 etch and i don't have anysound. I have installed alsa and configured it, i also set the volume, but nothing seems to work. |
| 22:50.49 | xsdg | Demosthenes: I know that gnucash exists. I have no idea if it does what you want |
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| 22:51.10 | micols | DexterF: read-only mode when opening files over NFS, |
| 22:51.11 | LaicepS | i mean x83 |
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| 22:51.19 | xsdg | LaicepS: x86? |
| 22:51.20 | LaicepS | i mean x86 |
| 22:51.30 | LaicepS | yes, sorry, i'm rather tired |
| 22:51.33 | Demosthenes | xsdg: not quite |
| 22:51.35 | infinitycircuit | LaicepS: what is your sound card?: |
| 22:51.37 | micols | also i think they have fixed slow-recovery time (when you click cancel it would wait for 10+seconds) |
| 22:51.44 | micols | perhaps due to readonly mode |
| 22:52.07 | micols | but i can confirm that readonly mode has been fixed, i got etch on both my machines. |
| 22:52.22 | LaicepS | it is a motherboard integrated card |
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| 22:52.26 | micols | my workstation opens in write mode, my laptop in readonly mode.. both 2.0 OO |
| 22:52.41 | micols | my workstation just has the newest security updates |
| 22:53.06 | LaicepS | via82xx according to alsaconf |
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| 22:53.18 | zyx386 | anyone help in my problem with PO file ? |
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| 22:54.25 | LaicepS | any idea infinitycircuit ? |
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| 23:00.01 | infinitycircuit | LaicepS: sorry i was afk. i have a via82xx it works fine with alsa |
| 23:00.07 | micols | i am serving a nfs client and i would like to keep a dir on my server in memory is this possible? |
| 23:00.09 | infinitycircuit | what kernel are you using? |
| 23:00.17 | micols | so it would serve it faster. |
| 23:00.27 | micols | without mounting it as a ramdisk |
| 23:00.43 | micols | perhaps telling nfs to keep something in memory for one ip |
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| 23:04.19 | obnauticus | lolwut http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 23:04.46 | JoeThomas | Hi, I'm not sure where to ask this but.. I want to attach a camera via usb to my system. I did so and ran `udevmonitor -kue` to see if it was recognized. I got the device. But I go to mount it and it says.. "is not a block device." Is this something to do with it not being usb-storage? Anyone help. I just want pictures off the camera. |
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| 23:05.22 | odla | obnauticus: you really need to get a life ... you've been hanging around all day doing this under different nicks |
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| 23:06.12 | micols | odla: i suppose its a bot :) |
| 23:06.14 | obnauticus | errr, i've had the same nick on this server for a few months now. |
| 23:06.21 | micols | oh lol its not :) |
| 23:06.25 | obnauticus | facepalm. |
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| 23:06.38 | obnauticus | i should have just taken you up on that deal so i could do whatever the hell i wanted to temporarily |
| 23:06.39 | JoeThomas | It was shown on digg so a bunch of people are prolly posting it. |
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| 23:07.05 | obnauticus | i don't know what that has to do with debian though |
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| 23:07.24 | Decepticon | how do i see a log of what has been 'written' |
| 23:07.27 | Decepticon | with write |
| 23:07.41 | odla | cat /var/log/log_of_interest |
| 23:07.42 | odla | ? |
| 23:07.50 | obnauticus | what do you mean |
| 23:08.04 | obnauticus | you can use strace lol |
| 23:08.10 | Sebby | were do i find libpq++-4.0.tar.gz ? |
| 23:08.14 | obnauticus | im not sure if that is what you are talking about |
| 23:08.24 | micols | Sebby: sourceforge, apt, google? |
| 23:08.52 | Decepticon | obnauticus im talking about the command you use to write a message to another user |
| 23:08.55 | Decepticon | i think it is talk |
| 23:08.56 | Decepticon | or write |
| 23:08.57 | Decepticon | im not sure |
| 23:09.07 | Sebby | with apt nothing sourceforge fais ,says inexistent project |
| 23:09.18 | micols | JoeThomas: |
| 23:09.27 | micols | normally you will need gphoto2 for your camera |
| 23:09.35 | \amethyst | Decepticon: it is not logged AFAIK |
| 23:09.37 | micols | thats a commandline util for retrieving images |
| 23:09.46 | micols | gtkam can do it with gui using the libgphoto2 |
| 23:09.46 | odla | Sebby: apt-cache search libpq++ |
| 23:09.52 | JoeThomas | micols: alright thanks |
| 23:09.52 | zyx386 | any PO file expert her? :) |
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| 23:10.16 | Decepticon | \amethyst ok then what is abetter tool for communication between users on a machine |
| 23:10.22 | micols | JoeThomas: i used gphoto2 all the time, its the most stable way of doing it, but there are other ways. , i find gtkam is crashing a little too much for me |
| 23:10.32 | LaicepS | infinitycircuit, 2.6.18-6-486 (sorry , i was afk too) |
| 23:10.36 | micols | JoeThomas: gphoto2 -p or -P is all you need to do |
| 23:11.03 | JoeThomas | micols: alright, well I'm going to be doing a lot of retrieving, is that going to be affected? I mean it crashing, is it from load or? |
| 23:11.05 | micols | JoeThomas: or -L, and make sure you're member of group 'camera' |
| 23:11.20 | JoeThomas | micols: alright testing right now |
| 23:11.27 | micols | JoeThomas: if youre a gnome user use gtkam or something like it |
| 23:11.34 | micols | JoeThomas: if you like commandline utils use gphoto2 |
| 23:11.46 | micols | they're ALL based on gphoto2's library, some are with gui some are not |
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| 23:12.12 | micols | JoeThomas: stability wont be an issue if you run a recent version i think.. |
| 23:12.16 | infinitycircuit | hmm sorry no luck then |
| 23:12.18 | infinitycircuit | i don't know |
| 23:12.23 | micols | JoeThomas: i was probably just unlucky. |
| 23:12.23 | JoeThomas | micols: well I'm using gtkam to see if it at least detects my camera, I will be using cli later |
| 23:12.28 | JoeThomas | :p |
| 23:12.38 | micols | JoeThomas: do a usermod -a -G camera <username> |
| 23:12.55 | micols | to make sure you can access your camera as normal user, then log out and back in again to activate the new group |
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| 23:13.16 | JoeThomas | micols: I'm on root :p har har |
| 23:13.23 | micols | JoeThomas: but yes root will always have access :) |
| 23:13.49 | JoeThomas | micols: my point, I use root all the time on this machine, it's networkless. Please don't lecture on how not to use root all the time though. |
| 23:13.55 | micols | when it works, just do groupadd camera; usermod as above |
| 23:14.22 | micols | JoeThomas: i dont care, its your security and your responsibility :) |
| 23:14.56 | micols | i disable root login on all my servers and only ssh to my firewall then from that through to my NAT. |
| 23:15.00 | JoeThomas | micols: haha, well since it's disconnected from my switch and sitting in my basement, I don't think I have much to worry about :] |
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| 23:15.33 | micols | JoeThomas: no, its just ugly running as root, making config files as root etc :) |
| 23:15.39 | JoeThomas | ahh |
| 23:15.41 | micols | some programs wont run as root also. |
| 23:16.02 | JoeThomas | well it works I got the pictures |
| 23:16.05 | JoeThomas | thank you for the suggestion |
| 23:16.29 | micols | its not worth running as root when it takes 5seconds to setup for normal user thats the only issue :) |
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| 23:16.44 | micols | sendmail in the old days was worth running as root though |
| 23:16.51 | micols | it was harder to set up as other user :) |
| 23:17.06 | micols | praise postfix. |
| 23:17.08 | LeonardKoan | micols- good thing that never led to any problems... |
| 23:17.46 | micols | hehe my sendmail? yeah :p |
| 23:17.53 | micols | i must have been lucky. |
| 23:18.10 | micols | also i blocked all access through hosts.deny iirc. |
| 23:18.25 | LeonardKoan | What Torrent server is everyone using? |
| 23:18.36 | LeonardKoan | I noticed torrentflux seems to be gone...? |
| 23:18.40 | micols | LeonardKoan: thats quite offtopic |
| 23:18.43 | infinitycircuit | i have a question about aptitude purge...if i try to purge something and during dependency resolution tell it to remove more packages, it doesn't purge them. Is this supposed to be a feature or a bug? |
| 23:18.47 | LeonardKoan | oh sorry |
| 23:18.56 | LeonardKoan | I am running it on Debian! |
| 23:19.13 | micols | infinitycircuit: you could try apt-get remove <package> --purge or <package>* --purge |
| 23:19.14 | LeonardKoan | my question fact is which torrent server is the best match for Debian |
| 23:19.18 | micols | and see if that helps it |
| 23:19.20 | infinitycircuit | yes i know apt-get works |
| 23:19.25 | infinitycircuit | i'm curious why aptitude doesn't |
| 23:19.26 | LeonardKoan | and btw only torrenting CC3 content |
| 23:20.05 | adama | how do I make my xrandr setting stick? |
| 23:20.16 | micols | put it in .xsession adama |
| 23:20.21 | micols | or .xinitrc |
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| 23:20.41 | micols | xrandr -s 2& |
| 23:20.42 | adama | in ~? |
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| 23:20.45 | micols | yes |
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| 23:21.25 | micols | i dont know which gui you run on X, but i run blackbox as wm and no desktop environment so i do exec blackbox as the last thing in .xsession |
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| 23:22.01 | micols | normally one does exec one's window manager as the last thing, or desktop-environment |
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| 23:22.12 | adama | neither of those files exist fo mr |
| 23:22.17 | micols | make them. |
| 23:22.18 | adama | *for me |
| 23:22.21 | micols | .xsession just |
| 23:22.52 | adama | ok |
| 23:22.57 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m71a852e5 |
| 23:23.02 | micols | thats my old .xsession file |
| 23:24.07 | micols | but gnome will probably do most of that :-), i.e. set your mixer volume |
| 23:24.22 | micols | and desktop background and mouse settings (qsynaptics) |
| 23:24.23 | adama | yeah I'm using gnome |
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| 23:24.50 | micols | gnome has a startup app launcher too iirc. |
| 23:25.00 | micols | you actually dont _need_ to use .xsession |
| 23:25.56 | micols | but it should work.. |
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| 23:30.35 | p3rti | hi, what software do you recommend to email all users on my mail system... |
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| 23:37.25 | Supaplex | p3rti: emacs |
| 23:38.37 | p3rti | lol |
| 23:38.48 | p3rti | Supaplex, is better mailman |
| 23:38.48 | p3rti | >D |
| 23:39.12 | Supaplex | I was clearly joking :) |
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| 23:41.39 | LeonardKoan | hoping not to be offtopic, but is torrentflux only available for lenny/sid, and not etch? |
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| 23:44.30 | micols | i want to make an ati overclock util that works with x1900 series or add support for that in rovclock, what program could i use in windows to find the registers the windows oc util is writing? |
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| 23:54.59 | bringatowel | my /var partition (2.7gb) keeps running out of space, is there anyway to resize it without a livecd? |
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| 23:56.50 | Supaplex | bringatowel: init 1 + lvm2 howto |
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