IRC log for #debian on 20080522

00:01.09grand_gruntI got a only-32bit source code for the 2.0 Jabbin release, and a 1.39 release patch for amd64. Should I try to patch the 2.0 by hand? the patch got 1 page and a half, nothing more
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00:03.22rahulgrand_grunt: why are you so desperate to run code written by someone who doesn't know what datatypes are
00:03.25rahul?
00:03.32pelegapache on debian usually belongs to www-data group ?
00:03.40peleg(and: how can I check that?)
00:04.06rahulps auxl
00:04.13rahulor maybe ps al
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00:04.32grand_gruntrahul: Jabbin seems to be a good IM client for Jabber with video and audio support
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00:05.10grand_gruntrahul: it's written with feet, but seems to be well-featured
00:05.10palluhello all of you
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00:05.26pallui just installed a copy of debian on my computer and im lost
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00:05.34pallucan somoe one find me?
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00:06.08grand_gruntrahul: If you know a IM client, using XMPP, AND able to support audio/video, I take it
00:06.18rahulgrand_grunt: I dunno. I use pidgin
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00:06.46grand_gruntrahul: pidgin is only for text, or not?
00:07.10palluhow can i start using apt-get?
00:07.44grand_gruntpallu: depends on what you wanna do. first, use it in "man apt-get"
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00:08.22rahulgrand_grunt: that's all I use it for
00:08.27k-man_i recently put a usb card reader on my system and the kernel now reports this error: May 18 07:09:12 mythbox kernel: usb 5-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 22
00:08.28rahuldunno what else it can do
00:08.31rahulpallu: use aptitude instead
00:08.39k-man_any idea how to fix that?
00:08.57palluwell all i have is a base installation
00:09.05simonrvnthat's a message, not an error
00:09.29k-man_simonrvn, ok, but it gives me that message every second on all virtual terminals
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00:09.35pallui got the netcd but i think i might have runned in to an error
00:09.44simonrvnk-man_: is the thing working?
00:10.00grand_gruntrahul: I'd like to do more on IM, so I'm gonna fix Jabbin the best I can
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00:10.22simonrvni.e., can you access it like you'd expect?
00:10.26grand_grunt(and break my Debian)
00:10.31k-man_simonrvn, yes - at least the usb socket on it works - haven't tested the other things yet
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00:12.45grand_gruntrahul: Where could I find about explanation to read a patch file, so as to read and understand the one I got, and maybe write a new one?
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00:14.07\amethystgrand_grunt:  you don't write patches by hand; you use diff to generate them (from the original and the new file)
00:15.26grand_grunt\amethyst: ok
00:15.52pelegWhen I check apache2 logs, i see: "sh: /path/to/filename: Permission denied"; but when I su www-data, and then execute the same command that php tries to execute, I get no errors. Any ideas what can cause that?
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00:16.20\amethystgrand_grunt:  to read it: lines starting with - or < were removed, and lines starting with + or > were added.  In context diffs (not very common), ! indicates a line that was changed
00:17.49grand_grunt\amethyst: They are also "Index" lines to refer to files, I beg diff won't generate them?
00:17.56V4Nelleguys i have a fresh lenny system from netinstall and i have 2.6.22 kernel.if i want to upgrade to 2.6.24 dist-upgrade will upgrade and all other packages which must change because of kernel?
00:18.36\amethystgrand_grunt:  That line isn't strictly necessary (the information is on the --- and +++ lines)
00:18.37grand_grunt\amethyst: meaning that, I'll have to run diff on each patched file, then write a .patch file with results?
00:18.51\amethystgrand_grunt:  you can run diff -r on two directories
00:18.54grand_grunt\amethyst: okidokey
00:19.18pelegsorry, I take it back :-)
00:19.34\amethystgrand_grunt:  also, most revision control systems can generate diffs
00:19.54\amethysts/most \(revision control systems\)/all \1 that are worth using/
00:20.10x03i have this error: http://rafb.net/p/yFUP7d63.html
00:20.19x03someone knwo what happend ?
00:20.29grand_grunt02:42 < \amethyst> s/most \(revision control systems\)/all \1 that are worth using/
00:20.46grand_gruntI'm trying to understand THIS syntax, now ^^
00:20.49Greyscalex03, I'm waiting for firefox to load ._.
00:20.52x03im in sid
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00:21.04\amethystgrand_grunt:  it's a regex, correcting what I said to "all revision control systems that are worth using"
00:21.06Greyscaleyou don't have pygtk installed.
00:21.07x03Greyscale: hehe :)
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00:21.29x03Greyscale: whats the name of pygtk ?
00:21.31Greyscaleafaik pygtk is the Python GTK library.
00:21.36\amethystgrand_grunt: s/from/to/ stands for "substitute from with to", and  \1 refers to the part inside \( \) on the left
00:21.41GreyscaleDunno what the package is
00:21.46Greyscaletry packages.debian.org
00:21.46x03yes i try some packages
00:21.48grand_grunt\amethyst: ok
00:22.56\amethystgrand_grunt:  you can use commands like those in vi ( :%s/from/to/  to replace in the whole file), or with sed   ( ls / | sed -e 's/home/WHAT UP HOMES/' )
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00:24.33V4Nelleguys on boot i get the message (unable to set system clock to : DATE)...any help?
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00:25.15elmarian6hello. how do i change fonts of iceweasel menu ??
00:25.37elmarian6i change font in my gtk2 theme but changes are not in iceeweasel
00:26.09elmarian6fonts of iceweasel are really big
00:26.10elmarian6:(
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00:28.12karstenelmarian6: That's a gtk setting, I think.
00:28.25grand_grunt\amethyst: you mean, write the command in vim or vim (not in insert mode), and they will act on edited text?
00:28.46leroelmarian6: put this in you ~/.gktrc-2.0
00:28.48xerophyt1i have 2 ip alieas in xen DomU, the traffic goes using one ip some time and other time it use other one .. how can i tell the instance to use only one ip when it go out ?
00:28.52lerogtk-font-name="Bitstream Vera Sans 8"
00:28.56\amethystgrand_grunt:  it's an ex command:  press : in normal (not insert) mode and you'll get a command line
00:28.58leroand restart iceweasel
00:29.03\amethystgrand_grunt:  type the rest of the command there
00:29.38karstenelmarian6: /etc/gtk/  I changed the gtkrc.iso-8859-* files to 8 or 9 point from the default 12.
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00:31.34elmarian6i ll try it out
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00:40.58grand_gruntAnother question: what does "@@ -669,7 +669,7 @@" means in a .patch file? is that a location?
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00:41.01grand_gruntAnother question: what does "@@ -669,7 +669,7 @@" means in a .patch file? is that a location?
00:41.07grand_grunt(oops)
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00:41.46dvsgrand_grunt: line number, number of lines
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00:43.34grand_gruntdvs: thx !
00:43.37enoufgrand_grunt: diff gives you that nomenclature
00:44.20dvsnp
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00:44.41hazukiIs 64-bit Etch multilib?
00:45.37hazukiI'm thinking of installing a nice, minimal Debian 64-bit. Gentoo is a pain and Arch is stupid how it handles custom kernels, so...
00:45.51enoufamd64 arch? i think not, you'll need ia32-libs, iinm - a multiarch arch was out once, still beta?
00:45.53hazukibut my brother wants to run Second Life, which needs 32-bit support
00:46.01hazukiOh...hm
00:46.28hazukiso the toolchain isn't multilib, and I won't be able to run 32-bit binaries and emul-linux-*-libs?
00:46.37enoufi think you setup a nice 32bit chroot env for such things
00:46.46hazukiEesh...
00:46.57enoufwell, you might - don't quote me
00:47.23hazukiwould the debian wiki have info on this? I can't switch VTs for some reason and don't want to just drop out on you
00:47.49enoufemul-linux-*-libs ? .. hrm alioth might, but not sure if it's dated - oh try #debian-amd64
00:48.02hazukiOops! Sorry
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00:48.14enoufhazuki: also wiki.debian.org and one sec
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00:51.59grand_gruntRhaaa, fucking code !
00:52.03battlemidgetwasn't someone asking about restricting access to services via pam the other day?
00:52.12grand_gruntcast from ‘foo’ to ‘int’ loses precision EVERYWHERE !
00:52.30dvsgrand_grunt: those are warnings
00:52.46grand_gruntlibpsi/psiwidgets/iconaction.cpp:75: error: cast from ‘QPopupMenu*’ to ‘int’ loses precision
00:52.55grand_gruntdvs: Those are errors.
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00:53.27dvsgrand_grunt: do you have the trolltech headers installed?
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00:54.15grand_gruntdvs: don't know.. with wich dev package do they come?
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00:55.52dvsgrand_grunt: libqt3-headers
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00:58.12grand_gruntdvs: thx, again
00:58.18dvsnp
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00:58.33grand_gruntdvs: Yes, I got them
00:58.52grand_gruntI'm trying to build amd64 soft from i386 sources
00:59.00Bac9anyone here knowledgeable enough to comment on a pair of speakers?
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01:06.24grand_gruntjust wondering.. is there ONE source, excepting a "Hello World", without any warning?
01:10.03mimcpherwtf:  I just tab-completed when using scp on the remote host -- did it log in and do that?  (I have public-key set up)
01:10.27mimcpherthats super-neat.
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01:11.59grand_gruntmimcpher: sure you didn't tab-completed on the host you where logged in?
01:12.40mimcphergrand_grunt, nope; it definately tab-completed on the remote host.
01:13.04rahulheh
01:13.15rahulgrand_grunt: YOU don't write patches by hand, but I do!
01:13.16grand_gruntmimcpher: the security hole in openSSL, maybe ^^
01:13.33mimcpherWell I have auto-log-in via public key with no passphrase
01:13.42grand_gruntrahul: I do, just know.
01:13.49grand_gruntrahul: I do... try. ahem.
01:13.52rahulhaha
01:13.55rahulemacs has a diff mode
01:13.57Penixmimcpher:  think about it then
01:14.05rahulit modifies the line offsets as you edit the diff
01:14.09rahulPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENIX
01:14.24Penix!fruitsmite rahul
01:14.25dpkgsmites rahul with a truckload of kiwis
01:14.32rahul!penixstrike penix
01:14.33dpkgA towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
01:14.49rahulPenix: you're so autoerotic
01:15.01AwesomeGuyhow do i end a process
01:15.06PenixAwesomeGuy: kill it
01:15.14AwesomeGuy..
01:15.15rahulAwesomeGuy: end it with how much violence?
01:15.33rahuldo you want to ask it to leave? do you want to kick it in the head? chop off its head?
01:15.43AwesomeGuyiceweasel says it is not responding and needs to be ended to be opened again
01:15.51rahulkillall firefox-bin
01:16.02rahulassBADGER
01:16.09dendriterahul: Beware of getting used to killall.
01:16.20rahulhands dendrite at solaris box
01:16.20Penixbut tis is lunix?!
01:16.25AwesomeGuy'no process killed'
01:16.26dendriterahul: On some Unices, killall takes no arguments, if you catch my meaning.
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01:16.39rahuldendrite: I know :D
01:16.39dendriteAwesomeGuy: pkill firefox
01:16.48rahulit's firefox-bin
01:16.51AwesomeGuynvm it works now O.o
01:17.01rahulyou probably typoed
01:17.05dendriterahul: firefox matches firefox-bin, I believe.
01:17.18rahuldendrite: hmm... curious... and dangerous
01:17.20dendriteNot certain, but I think that's so.
01:17.46dendriterahul: Nah, what could POSSIBLY be dangerous about using regex's to kill groups of processes?  :P
01:17.54rahulheh
01:17.57grand_gruntrahul:make ended with no errors, I got two questions.
01:18.28grand_grunt1) How to be SURE the built binary is amd64 ready?
01:18.34rahulgrand_grunt: you can't
01:18.38rahulnot without a code audit
01:18.50grand_grunt2) How to make a handsome .deb, instead of ugly "make install"?
01:19.05dendritegrand_grunt: Easy way is with checkinstall.
01:19.16rahulgrand_grunt: apt-get source <package>, patch that, and then inside the source tree debian/rules binary
01:19.31rahulyou get that penix, debian rules!
01:19.37grand_gruntdendrite: I've been told, right there, that checkinstall what not safe
01:19.49grand_gruntwhas*
01:19.51grand_gruntwas*
01:19.58rahulcheckinstall won't get you the system integration that dpkg has
01:20.16dendritegrand_grunt: Well, it's OK for ia32 with dynamically linked tools.  But for your case, I dunno.
01:20.19rahulit won't show up in all application menus in all WMs and desktops, etc
01:20.32dendriterahul: That's true.
01:20.35rahulit won't deal with fonts automatically, etc etc
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01:20.41grand_gruntrahul: I prefer good integration
01:20.52rahulI prefer exact differentiation!
01:20.56AwesomeGuyhow do I install a program from a .tar.gz?
01:21.00dendriteTotally, checkinstall is far inferior to a properly crafted package.
01:21.00grand_gruntrahul: apt-get source package? explain
01:21.04rahulAwesomeGuy: with difficulty
01:21.08rahulgrand_grunt: man apt-get...
01:21.12grand_gruntAwesomeGuy: with time
01:21.18AwesomeGuy..
01:21.36rahuland with possibly troublesome aftereffects
01:21.50rahulbecause a tar.gz is just a random pile of files
01:21.55grand_gruntThat's what is good :+p
01:21.58rahulwho knows what it will change on your system
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01:22.04grand_gruntlol
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01:22.37rahulbrb shower
01:23.20grand_gruntrahul: man apt-get says that apt-get source will download sources
01:24.06grand_gruntrahul: My case is different: I got sources on local directory, they seem to build correctly, I'd like to create a .deb for amd64
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01:24.30MaverynthiaI've been trying to dpkg-reconfigure stuff and i keep getting this error "/usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Gtk2/Gtk2.so: undefined symbol: gtk_buildable_get_type" any way to fix it?
01:24.41grand_gruntIf I apt-get source jabbin, it will find no results, since it's not available on my arch
01:24.43enoufgrand_grunt: /msg dpkg package basics
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01:25.20mihgHey people i have a question
01:25.21mihgsome friend of myne told me some rumour about a "real world" outside computers
01:25.21mihgis that true?
01:25.21mihglife is more than this?
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01:26.02enoufMaverynthia: check BTS? possible transition to newer perl pkg?
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01:26.34dendrite!tell mihg about enter
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01:27.04mihgWHAT
01:27.06mihgENTER
01:27.07grand_grunt!tell grand_grunt about enter
01:27.08mihg?
01:27.13enoufdendrite: it was already blocked with \n then pasted
01:27.31dendriteUgh.
01:27.42enouf!tell grand_grunt -about msg the bot
01:27.51grand_gruntmihg: "WHAT ENTER?"
01:28.33grand_gruntenouf: ok. I'll do it the right way next time.
01:32.56grand_gruntrahul: I've read your doc'.. so I should first create a .dsc from the patched source?
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01:34.47puff``rahul: Where do you work?
01:37.07V4Nelleguys i run dist-upgrade to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.22 to 2.6.24 nad apt-get remove libldap2?there is any problem?
01:37.36V4Nellebut i dont change repos to another realise!
01:40.09rahulgrand_grunt: no. that's for uploading
01:40.16rahulgrand_grunt: you just need to run the debian scripts
01:40.21rahulpuff``: ITA software, indirectly
01:41.02rahul!tell enouf about msg the bot... ;D
01:42.15enoufheh
01:43.47enoufV4Nelle: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade
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01:46.49grand_gruntrahul: Does that mean I'll have to list dependancies, and such that things?
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01:48.57grand_gruntis feeling lost, with is /jabbin directory
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01:50.09puff``rahul: Okay, different rahul than the one I know, then.  Some of the same attitude, though :-)
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01:50.31grand_gruntpuff``: "diff rahul"? ^^
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01:55.39enoufdpkg: dist-upgrade =~ s#Also see <why not dist upgrade><sarge->etch><etch->lenny>#Also see <why not dist upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny>#
01:55.40dpkgOK, enouf
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01:58.30grand_gruntenouf: You can give orders to dpkg? :|
02:01.09enoufgrand_grunt: why not?
02:01.38grand_gruntenouf: I hope that there is a reason to that
02:01.49grand_gruntmeaning, I cann't (and I wouldn't if I could)
02:01.49enoufyou hope right ;-)
02:01.57enoufsure you can
02:02.01grand_grunt:|
02:02.06grand_gruntreally?
02:02.15enoufand if you have something helpful to add / modify - have at it
02:02.25grand_gruntok..
02:02.31grand_gruntAnyone here can do that?
02:02.37enoufotherwise keep your steenken paws off :-P
02:02.41enoufyep
02:02.45grand_gruntok
02:02.47enoufanyone registered and ident'd can modify the factoids
02:03.08enouf(not 100% sure of the ident part)
02:03.10grand_grunt(jabbin is enable to run, I KNEW it was a bad idea)
02:03.31dendriteKind of fits the general philosophy of GNU/Linux...
02:03.44enoufwho'd've thunk? O_o
02:03.52dendrite=)
02:04.05grand_gruntI thank there where a bit of.. control
02:04.37grand_grunt"Please make sure Jabbin is properly installed" => I'm sure it's not ^^
02:04.49enoufgrand_grunt: allowing the masses to have control is sort of scary, yet feels good, dont it? :-)
02:05.09grand_gruntenouf: really good, yes
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02:05.53grand_gruntjust thinking, if people give orders to dpkg the same way that I admin my Debian, dpkg would break
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02:06.18grand_gruntAssuming that people is reasonable.. such a good idea. It works!
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02:09.37grand_gruntMhhhh good
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02:09.43grand_gruntJabbin is running
02:10.17grand_gruntMy first "patch" (I've done nothing more than hand-applying the elder patch, it would have run for 2.0 release)
02:10.40grand_gruntnew iceaseal updates :p
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02:18.05dubhas someone come up with a way to get jdk onto a debian box without self eye gouge inducing retardation?
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02:20.34grand_grunt:(
02:20.46grand_gruntsegfault when I try to use VoIP feature
02:20.55grand_gruntNot completly patched?
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02:21.13grand_gruntI go to bed, it's 4:22 AM here. Good night all
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02:33.34epoxyhttp://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Apt-get  that is always good
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02:41.20factotumAnyone running "lenny" have issues with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg closing at the prompt to pick keyboard options? It does it every time I try to run it
02:42.11streunerdid you look at the BTS yet?
02:43.07factotumbug reports? no
02:43.13stewfactotum: what exactly is the problem?  is x not starting?
02:43.46factotumyeah, the only way I have gotten x to work is either with vesa or nvidia. Its a 7300GT pcie
02:44.02streuneris 2D enough for you?
02:44.32factotum2d is enough for now, like to get 3d later. But I would be happy with 2d just as a starting point
02:44.36streunerin that case, just choose "nv" as driver
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02:44.51stewfactotum: is x not starting?
02:44.55factotumi would try it if i could get to that point
02:45.01factotumright, no x
02:45.01stewfactotum: to what point?
02:45.08factotumcreating a xorg.conf
02:45.09stewfactotum: do you get an error when you try to start x?
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02:45.21streunerthere is a bug in xserver-xorg, IIRC
02:45.21stewfactotum: you don't have an xorg.conf at all?
02:45.31streunerdebconf
02:45.42factotumpart of one, its the result of my original post
02:46.10factotumthere is a bug eh? alrighty
02:46.14gravityneeds to do the upload to fix it
02:46.25streunerah, thanks gravity
02:46.32stewfactotum: can you show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
02:46.37gravityIt's fixed in git, we just need to do an upload.
02:46.59gravityfactotum: In the meantime, if you can't load X without a xorg.conf, try X -configure
02:47.04gravityIt'll generate a xorg.conf
02:47.17factotumokay, great
02:47.34factotumI dont mind being without x but lynx is really a challenge to work with
02:47.48gravityIf that still doesn't work, come back with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin like stew said, and people can help you edit the xorg.conf to get things running
02:48.09stewgravity: is there a bug#?
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02:48.24gravitystew: There wasn't a few days ago. I dunno, I'm on VAC and out of the loop
02:49.04gravityWe ask debconf for a question that was deleted. That leads to script failure. Massive suck.
02:49.31factotumokay, when i try X -configure I get memory range allocation errors
02:49.37gravityoy
02:49.43factotumvey
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02:50.11gravityOk, I don't even want to think about that. Ok, getting your logfile when you don't have any xorg.conf will help.
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02:50.40gravityUnfortunately I'm not able to stick around any more, I have to go though. Good luck!
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02:50.51factotumthanks
02:51.42factotumso its a hardware issue?
02:52.01factotumAh, the joys of a new system
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02:57.50epoxyif i do something like 'apt-get remove postgresql', is there a way to search what stray libs the removed packaged left behind that nothing else uses?
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03:01.54stewepoxy: there is deborphan and debfoster.  but if you just use aptitude instead of apt-get this is done for you automatically
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03:03.52epoxyah great, thanks.
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03:16.50owen1i installed debian (small cd, 180mb) and try to install xfce. how do i do that?
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03:18.11cafuegoaptitude, but yes
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03:34.30owen1stew: i can't find a way to copy paste from my debian...mouse is not working.
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03:35.16PaulTTHi all--how can I have a cron job run as a particular user? Is there a way to do it other than installing the cron jobs in the actual user's account via su?
03:35.17wolsowen1: screen can do copy+paste without X. Or tried to install gpm?
03:36.40wolsrather: without mouse
03:36.40meffPaulTT: see /etc/crontab
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03:36.54owen1wols: apt-get install gpm --- can't find package
03:37.16PaulTTmeff: oh, look at that! thanks :D
03:37.23meffyep
03:37.28wolsowen1: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
03:37.29owen1wols: i am trying to install xfce4 on a new debian (180mb version)
03:37.44owen1wols: let me see
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03:44.06owen1wols: official i386 netinst binary.....
03:44.22wols!tell owen1 about sources.list
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03:44.36wolsthen fix it by adding proper repos since you didn't do it in the installer
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03:53.53owen1what repo do i need to add to sources to get xfcu
03:53.57owen1xfce
03:54.13icedtea!xfce
03:54.13dpkgit has been said that xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins.
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03:57.31owen1icedtea: i am not sure i understand what you are saying...
03:58.13owen1where do i find the repo for xfce? i need the full name..
03:58.39plotaxfce4 is the package name
03:58.45plotafrom what apt said
03:58.48plotadpkg*
03:59.21owen1plota: true. but what is the repo name? i need to add it to sources.list
03:59.31plotait should be on most mirrors
03:59.53owen1plota: i am not sure what does it means. how do i get it?
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04:00.21owen1plota: i know. it's like apt-get, right?
04:00.39owen1plota: (i am coming from ubuntu world)
04:00.44plotacat /etc/apt/sources.list i have etch main contrib and non-free on mine, it's probably in main or contrib
04:00.48plotayep
04:00.50puff``owen1: aptitude is in ubuntu too.
04:00.52plotai use apt-get myself
04:01.01puff``owen1: aptitude is a friendlier version of apt-get.
04:01.18owen1puff``: friendly is good.
04:01.35puff``owen1: Not actually related, other than in using the same underlying data files, but has an apt-get/apt-cache flavored UI, only without some of the gotchas.
04:02.11puff``owen1: One example being, instead of "apt-get update", "apt-cache search packagename", "apt-get install packagename", it's "aptitude update", "aptitude search packagename", "aptitude install packagename"
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04:03.36owen1puff``: thanks for the info. now how do i get xfce?
04:03.46owen1puff``: what is the repo?
04:04.01puff``owen1: Perhaps start with "aptitude update" and "aptitude search xfce"?
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04:04.44owen1puff``: ok. thanks
04:04.45puff``owen1: Or see the dpkg comment about xfce.
04:04.47puff``!xfce
04:04.47dpkg[xfce] a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins.
04:04.51vinc456i think he's missing the repository from sources.list
04:04.58puff``vinc456: Ah.
04:05.14Ryan52I have higher than normal load avarages...normally I have 0 but now its 2. top shows nothing is running. Why is this happening? I've had it happen before and a reboot made it stop. But that didn't work this time.
04:05.23vinc456!tell owen1 about sources.list
04:05.44puff``owen1: What version are you on?
04:06.06puff``Ryan52: Hm, might be file lock contention (or some similar resource contention).
04:06.27puff``Ryan52: Did you check top memory? (run top, press M to see sorted by memory usage)?
04:06.35vinc456owen1: if you're on etch, you could add somethinig like "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free"
04:06.55vinc456then you would type aptitude upgrade, aptitude install xfce
04:07.04puff``owen1: cat /etc/debian_version
04:07.33enoufstew: and streuner , i think this is the git fix gravity was talking about http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/debian/xorg.git;a=commit;h=2187535f5d8c9641fc4f9099ba18b774551a1735
04:07.43owen1puff``: aptitude search xfce4 returns: p xfce4-terminal
04:08.10Ryan52puff``: nothing abnormal with that
04:08.29owen1puff``: 4
04:08.39owen1puff``: version 4
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04:10.09PaulTTfor some reason mail is being sent to "nobody" and is piling up in /var/spool/mail/nobody. What's configuring the server to use that address?
04:10.27plotamaybe your sendmail aliases file
04:10.31Ryan52PaulTT: /etc/aliases
04:10.40enoufRyan52: are you referring to the output of uptime?
04:10.47Ryan52enouf: yes
04:11.57PaulTTRyan52: everything in /etc/aliases is pointing to "root" -- is "nobody" where root mail ends up?
04:12.06vinc456owen1: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list. add a line like "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free", followed by aptitude update, and then new packages (xfce amongst them) should appear
04:12.23Ryan52PaulTT: no, it ends up in root. Unless there is "root: nobody"
04:12.30enoufRyan52: well all that is an average of wait states, which could be anything from I/O from networking to disks
04:12.52Ryan52enouf: how do I check which programs are waiting?
04:13.26enoufRyan52: well, top, vmstat, iostat
04:13.27PaulTTRyan52: no, no root:nobody.. just postmaster: root, amavis:root, etc.
04:13.30owen1vinc456: got it. thanks.
04:13.48Ryan52PaulTT: theres also an exim configuration for where to send email for root
04:13.50Ryan52I think
04:14.05Ryan52PaulTT: try 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4'
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04:14.13puff``owen1: Copy your /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it to pastebin.com, past the URL here.
04:14.17enoufdebconf perhaps? hrm, i can't recall now either
04:14.20reZocan usplash images be ANY resolution, or are they required to be a specific resolution?
04:14.25Ryan52enouf: thanks
04:14.41enoufRyan52: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config , IINM PaulTT
04:14.53simonrvnwhoah, 5 minutes to connect here?
04:15.25owen1puff``: i don't know how to copy stuff. i am trying to add the line vinc456 told me about.
04:15.30enoufbut, dang, what is it that mails whenever i install something .. it;s 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf', right?
04:18.21puff``owen1: 1) in a shell window, enter: cat /etc/apt/sources.list<enter>
04:18.36puff``owen1: 2) use your mouse, select all of the text
04:18.41puff``owen1: 3) right-click, copy
04:19.26puff``owen1: 4) open a firefox window, go to pastebin.com, click in the input form, and right-click paste (or possibly hold down the shift key and press the insert key
04:19.54reZodo usplash boot screen images need to be the resolution you set your grub vga to?
04:20.35reZofor instance, i have mine set to mode 0x0318 which is 1024x768, 24bit. does the image need to match that?
04:20.49reZoor could i use a 600x400 resolution image for usplash?
04:21.05puff``owen1: I'm running out of time here, but make sure that the existing lines in /etc/apt/sources.list also have "stable" in them.
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04:23.03owen1puff``: thanks a lot.
04:23.24owen1how do i copy text from the terminal without mouse?
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04:24.33palluhello all of you
04:24.52pallui got my installation to work but it failed agein
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04:25.17palluhow can i install X windows i was able to get irssi to work but not x
04:25.46puff``owen1: Good question.  You don't have a GUI running yet?
04:26.03palluno
04:26.26puff``owen1: Actually, mouse/select/copy is available even in text-only mode, but pasting into a text-only browser (e.g. lynx or links) is too much hassle.
04:26.29owen1in the middle of the installation it ask me to insert the disc 'debian /gnu/linux....'
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04:29.22vinc456owen1: i think the easiest thing to do is just to finish the installation, run from gnome, edit your sources.list with you have a working mouse and get xfce
04:29.27puff``owen1: Oh, okay, that's because you have a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that refers to the CDROM.  Comment that out.
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04:29.38ma3xE: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
04:29.39ma3xE: Unable to lock the list directory
04:29.41ma3xwhat's that!?
04:29.59puff``ma3x: Either you forgot to use sudo or root perms to run the command, or another apt or dpkg command is currently running.
04:30.16ma3xpuff``: no other apt is running and i ran the command as root
04:30.46puff``ma3x: Hm, are you certain no other application that messes wtih apt is running?  Maybe synaptic?
04:31.04puff``ma3x: It's also conceivable that some other command crashed and left the lock file in palce.
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04:31.21puff``ma3x: Not my first suspect,t hough.
04:31.28ma3xpuff``: root      4076  0.0  0.1   3816  1200 ?        S    06:25   0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/apt
04:31.38owen1puff``: vinc456 thank. i think it's working.
04:31.58owen1time to learn some debian.
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04:33.10puff``ma3x: So is that process live?
04:33.17ma3xpuff``: yeah
04:33.31ma3xpuff``: not anymore
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04:35.03ma3xi can run apt-get update now
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04:35.21ma3xcron was preventing it from running
04:35.33puff``ma3x: THe running apt command was preventing it from running.
04:35.53ma3xpuff``: and that command was ran by cron
04:36.08ma3xsystem checkups/updates scripts
04:36.15ma3xby debian
04:36.24enoufonce a day, that one, yep
04:37.37ma3xenouf: what does do? updating packages?
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04:37.56ma3xi can't debug (understand) that script /etc/cron.daily/apt
04:37.57enoufpuff``: and owen1 /msg dpkg pastewituoutx and 'paste2pastebin pipe'
04:38.19enoufma3x: yes, all those files in there do
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04:39.37ma3xdo you know any dynamic ip update script that can use the real external ip to update, and not the internal one?
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04:41.18enoufhuh? dyndns.com ?
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04:41.54Haris1hello people
04:42.03PaulTTI think ma3x means the IP address at the router
04:42.41Haris1For squid 3's process, the daemon name would be squid or squid3? When I refer to it in /etc/syslog.conf, what would I write? squid.daemon ? squid3.daemon? daemon.squid or daemon.squid3 ?
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04:43.11ma3xPaulTT: i want to update my dynamic ip (the external ip of the router) using dyndns.com
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04:47.11simonrvnma3x: dyndns.org has docs on that
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04:49.33SexyKenyawns
04:49.35owen1i installed xfce. how do i see it?
04:50.24vinc456owen1: your login manager should give you the option to select xfce
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04:50.30SexyKenThat's correct.
04:50.48owen1vinc456: how do i know if i have login manager?
04:50.58SexyKenHrm.
04:50.59vinc456ma3x: you could also use no-ip, there is a package you can install
04:51.06owen1i have a minimal debian (180 mb)
04:51.12vinc456i think you just run no-ip -C, answer some questoins and you're all set
04:51.26enoufupdate-alternatives --config x-session-manager ? xfce-session ?
04:51.44vinc456you'll also need to register for an account on no-ip or dyndns
04:52.23vinc456owen1: the login manager will be a gui that prompts you for a name and password, i think gdm comes by default
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04:53.16ma3xsimonrvn: where? even a script?
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04:54.32slackd00dis there any goog howtos on getting bootsplash to work with unstable
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04:55.35owen1vinc456: so i should just do reboot?
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04:57.37vinc456owen1: if you're done with installing from the cd and gdm is installed, then it should show up upon reboot
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04:58.57enoufowen1: the Session menu of gdm should have it in the list, along with other choices like default, console, failsafe, gnome, . ...
05:00.13owen1vinc456: enouf i typed reboot and it rebooted and i see the terminal again. maybe i have no login manager?
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05:00.50enoufperhaps, but you don't need one, type startxfce<tab><tab>
05:00.57MaverynthiaIs there any way  to uninstall an upgrade?
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05:01.14enouf!downgrade
05:01.14dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
05:01.41Haris1Anyone on my Q?
05:02.33ma3xwhat's wrong with this: lynx -source http://checkip.dyndns.org | awk -F : '{print($2)}'| awk -F \&lt; '{print($1)}'
05:03.15vinc456owen1: what enouf said. You probably didn't install a login manager
05:03.40owen1vinc456: enouf can't start /etc/X11/X
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05:03.55owen1maybe i need to install xorg?
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05:04.20enoufhow about installing the distro O_o
05:04.54enoufif you installed xfce, it'll depend on X i would think
05:05.11owen1what login manager should install? gdm?
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05:07.45vinc456matter of taste
05:08.07owen1vinc456: i want the lightweight option.
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05:09.31simonrvnxdm it is then
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05:09.49vinc456i haven't used anything other than gdm, but you could log in from the console and have script that runs startxfce
05:09.54Rat409or slim or wdm
05:10.16Rat409hard to beat startx indeed
05:10.30owen1vinc456: i can't. it tells me i don't have a folder K
05:10.32owen1X
05:10.44owen1x11/X
05:10.53simonrvninstall x then
05:11.00owen1how?
05:11.06stewowen1: aptitude install xorg
05:11.12simonrvnaptitude install xorg
05:12.33enoufx11-common
05:12.48enouf(if still applicable)
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05:15.30owen1installing..
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05:16.02ReKlipzI'm having problems using fglrx with the debian lenny weekly build installer. On both my server and my laptop.
05:16.30ReKlipzWhenever I use the fglrx driver, once X starts, I get a black screen, no matter what tty.
05:17.36owen1do you know of a wm/de that not requires X?
05:18.00owen1(just curious)
05:18.22ReKlipzi do not
05:19.37stewemacs
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05:21.44vinc456i guess gnu screen if you're just working on the console
05:21.59vinc456what's de? desktop environment?
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05:23.56erpoowen1: How do you imagine a window manager that doesn't require X working?
05:24.01owen1vinc456: yes
05:24.14owen1erpo: i have no idea..
05:24.26erpoowen1: What would you see if you were using one?
05:24.36owen1maybe desktop environment?
05:24.50erpoowen1: In a virtual terminal?
05:25.31owen1erpo: don't know what is a v terminal..
05:25.57erpoowen1: Hit ctrl+alt+F1 to see a virtual terminal. Hit ctrl+alt+F7 to get back here.
05:26.30owen1btw, i got xfce!
05:27.11vinc456if you really want a desktop environment in the console (which is basically what i have set up), screen would work
05:27.13owen1it's different than the one i have on the xubuntu. maybe because i haven't istalled the goodies..
05:27.24stiv2kwhats the proper data that /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname is supposed to hold?
05:27.54owen1vinc456: screen? sounds cool. i'll google for it.
05:27.55raz0stiv2k, hosts holds IP hostname mappings
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05:27.59vinc456you can configure the settings to have a hard line (basically a tabbed status bar) to keep track of different windows.
05:28.19erpovinc456: I didn't know you could do that.
05:28.26raz0stiv2k, hostname holds your machine's hostname
05:28.34stiv2kraz0: so this is valid for /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 foo.bar.com
05:28.40stiv2kraz0: and /etc/hostname: foo.bar.com
05:28.55stiv2kraz0: I also have a 127.0.0.1 localhost in /etc/hosts
05:29.16raz0Why are you asking? :]
05:29.30raz0Because you have a problem or just to verify?
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05:29.38stiv2kraz0: cause i dont know if i have it right
05:29.48stiv2ksudo: unable to resolve host galatea
05:29.49raz0I am sure there is a manpage for those two files.
05:29.51stewstiv2k: no /etc/hostname should not be the fqdn
05:29.59stiv2kstew: what should it be?
05:30.06stewstiv2k: just foo
05:30.08stiv2koh
05:30.11stewstiv2k: man hostname ; man 5 hosts
05:30.16vinc456the main thing i like is that i can ssh to home from school or anywhere really(because uni only gives 50 megs and no root) The only apps i use are bash, mutt, and emacs though
05:30.37stew!hostname
05:30.37stiv2ki still get this: sudo: unable to resolve host galatea
05:30.37dpkguse hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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05:31.13stewstiv2k: wha command gives you that error?
05:31.21stiv2kstew: sudo
05:31.37stewstiv2k: you are just typing "sudo"?
05:31.43stiv2kstew: sudo `anything`
05:32.29stewstiv2k: is galatea something that appears in sudoers?
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05:34.17stiv2kstew: no
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05:34.23stiv2kstew: its my /etc/hostname
05:34.48stewstiv2k: did you add an entry to /etc/hosts for galatea ?
05:35.05stiv2kstew: its 127.0.0.1 galatea.neoturbine.net
05:35.34stewstiv2k: you should add galatea also
05:35.47stewstiv2k: and localhost
05:35.53stiv2klocalhost is there
05:36.26stewand typically youd have "127.0.0.1 localhost" "127.0.1.1 galatea.neoturbine.net galatea"
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05:37.59stiv2kah ok
05:38.02stiv2kyeah it works now
05:39.32Internat!wwlr
05:39.32dpkgLenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html
05:39.38Internat:/
05:40.40ReKlipz!wir
05:40.40dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready.  See also RSN and SIYH
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05:43.07Internatyeah i know what rsn, wir, and siyh are :) i wanted the news article
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05:59.37nirupamadoes debian get installed in 101D motherboard and HPDX612MT
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06:05.47khaleel5000hello, i have debian etch, from which repo can I get kde 4.0 ?
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06:05.56mechanisthy to all, in what way it's possibile to assign the value of a parameter to a variable, in the bash scripting?
06:06.08the-dude!kde4
06:06.08dpkgsomebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
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06:07.45nirupamadoes debian install well in 101D motherboard
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06:09.18markybobnirupama, you'd do better if you ask about particular chipsets, not mb models
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06:17.50TrollinatorHow can i show the amount of disk space that a certain package occupies?
06:18.04palluhello all of you
06:18.22palluhow can i configure my dual displays to work?
06:19.28nirupamapallu, through xorg.conf
06:20.02extorIs there a native debian package for Perl's Embedd::Persistent or do I need to install that crazy CPAN package?
06:20.09nirupamaTrollinator, what does du <application path> show
06:20.09markybobTrollinator, apt-cache show foo     and look at "installed-size"
06:20.13palluis there a graphic interface like xf86cfg
06:20.25nirupamamarkybob, ya that could be solution
06:20.26Trollinatormarkybob: thanks
06:20.32nirupamapallu, no
06:20.55stewTrollinator: if the package is installed, you'd want "dpkg -s foo" not "apt-cache show foo"
06:21.18stewextor: use apt-file to search for Embedd/Persistent.pm : /msg dpkg apt-file
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06:21.43stewpallu: assuming you are running stable, look for the xinerama howto, there isn't a graphic interface
06:21.43Trollinatorstew: what difference does that make?
06:21.55extoryeah I already searched  apt-cache search perl | grep persistent but cam up with nothing
06:22.06stewTrollinator: dpkg -s is the package installed, apt-cache show the package available from the repositories
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06:22.28Trollinatori see
06:22.53markybobTrollinator, apt-cache show would also work for installed packages.  so one works always and the other only in one instance
06:22.54markybobyay
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06:23.43stewnot true, but whatever
06:23.59extordebian32:/etc/lighttpd# apt-cache search Persistent.pm
06:23.59extordebian32:/etc/lighttpd#
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06:24.14stewextor: apt-cache can't search for filenames
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06:24.43extorIs this the best I can do---> apt-cache search perl | grep persistent
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06:25.22stewextor: did you try my suggestion?
06:25.26simonrvnwhy not just apt-cache search perl persistent ?
06:25.52extoryes
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06:26.55extorstill doesnt show the module
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06:27.13stewextor: /msg dpkg dh-make-perl
06:27.20simonrvn!info libpersistent-perl
06:27.24markybobextor, learn to use apt-file search
06:28.02extorapt-file?
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06:28.35simonrvni thought it was in etch, but i just installed it via dh-make-perl...
06:28.47extorwell, dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy.
06:29.13simonrvnextor: yes
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06:29.19Dewiextor: ooh, that sounds nice
06:29.44Dewiextor: so debian dependancies get pretty messed up by just running the CPAN install perl script?
06:30.00extorIm not sure but I suspect so
06:30.08extor.deb is a very shaky house of cards
06:30.15stew?
06:30.21Dewiextor: heh. What's more solid?
06:30.32Dewiextor: it's the most solid package management system I've seen
06:30.58extorsolid as long as you don't contradict it
06:30.59Dewiextor: but the perl situation has always been a cause for disquiet
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06:38.37dimirMorning!
06:39.13palluis it possible to mount a NETBSD partition ?
06:39.17simonrvnextor: if you're so convinced .debs are so terrible, WTF are you doing here?
06:39.26erpopallu: Gosh. What filesystem does netbsd use?
06:39.32palluffs
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06:39.36dimir:-D
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06:40.12extorI think .debs are better or just as good as .rpms that;s why
06:40.24extorand where else would I go? #slackware?
06:40.45erpopallu: Based on some preliminary googling, you may have to recompile your kernel to get ffs support.
06:41.19palluthats horrible
06:41.24palluwhere do i start?
06:42.05palluis there like a plug & play button that i can push?
06:42.06pallujk
06:42.21palluhow can i configure my ati card
06:42.31palluim trying to get dual monitor support
06:42.33simonrvnyeh, it's called the power button. make sure to press it for more than 4 seconds.
06:42.38erpopallu: Debian has its own way of doing kernel compiles. I would serarch for a debian-specific howto.
06:43.13erpopallu: Sorry, I can't tell you anything about ATI on Linux.
06:44.40stewpallu: look for the xinerama howto
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06:44.47stewis ufs support really more than 'modprobe ufs'?
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06:50.03pallustew: will i see graphic detail and point and click and more guistuff?
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06:52.42mnsI keep getting messages on my screen of the following type:     http://paste.debian.net/3745
06:53.01mnsShould I be worried ?  Anyone know what it is talking about ?
06:53.44erpomns: NMI is non-maskable interrupt. It's the kind of interrupt generated by the hardware reset button for when the CPU is really locked up.
06:54.11kgoderpo: So an NWI ...
06:54.11palluhow can i install drivers for a dlink-wireless card?
06:54.21kgoderpo: ... would be a non-wiggable interrupt?
06:54.39erpomns: I don't know why you system would be getting unexpected NMIs, but the error message suggests a hardware problem.
06:54.44kgodpallu: What's the card?  In general one of the wifi drivers should do it.
06:54.51erpokgod: wtf?
06:54.53kgodpallu: PCMCIA, PCI, USB, or what?
06:54.58kgoderpo: Exactly.
06:54.59palluPCI
06:55.20kgodpallu: 'lspci' should show it in output, paste the *ONE* line for the device.
06:55.30kgoderpo: Just yankin' yer chain.
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06:58.13mnserpo:  why would I be getting a NMI while the system is still running and functioning properly ?   especially if it is for when the system is locked up.  strange.  very strange
06:58.35mnspallu:  you want to get the madwifi drivers
06:58.41erpomns: Resetting is only one use of NMI. I don't happen to know any others, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
06:58.54mnserpo:  ok
06:59.09pallumns: how
06:59.10ddaltonhow do I a: mount a usb external hard drive in fstab that sometimes may not exist and b: mount an nfs share in fstab, again, the server might not always be on. So if it doesn't exist it should just continue booting or whatever...
06:59.14ddaltonwhat lines ?
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06:59.19palluim brnad new right out of the box
06:59.37mnspallu:   aptitude install madwifi-tools madwifi-source madwifi-doc
06:59.45erpomns: But when I doubt, I would trust the error messages. You could have a hardware problem.
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07:00.44mnserpo: wonder how I can go about debugging it .  Will have to look into that.
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07:01.01mnspallu:  once you have the packages downloaded and installed, go to /usr/src
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07:01.24erpoddalton: fstab might be the wrong tool for the job. It's an artifact of old unix-style thinking back when hardware and network resources becoming available and unavailable dynamically was the exception rather than the rule. I suggest looking into udev to accomplish this task.
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07:02.27ddaltonwell, to mount a partition or whatever I thought fstab was the right tool?
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07:02.34mnserpo:  can you do NFS via udev ?
07:03.17mnsddalton:  as erpo said, its for when you have something static to mount, not for dynamic.
07:03.39mnsI use udev for my USB stick drive
07:03.49mnsand for my digital cameras
07:03.58pallucouldn't find any package
07:04.14ddaltonbut, nfs shares either exist as 'static' or don't exist.
07:04.21mnspallu:   do you have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
07:04.32erpomns: I don't know, but I hate fstab.
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07:04.35RamattackHi!!
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07:05.14mnsddalton: they are dynamic from the point of view of the file system since they might or might not be there.   the internal hard drive is static because it is always available.
07:05.14Ramattackdoes anyone know how to build ssh tunnel with the end a windows machine vnc for example?... with putty it's possible but which is that sintax for ssh command directly?
07:05.50pallumns:i dont
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07:05.58mnsRamattack:   you want to have a ssh connection to a Windows box, and then do a VNC to that box using SSH as a tunnel ?
07:06.15Ramattackyep
07:06.19Ramattackwith putty it's possible
07:06.26Ramattackbut I wanted to do it from my own console
07:06.29PenixRamattack: man ssh
07:06.30ddaltonok, so I should just find a howto on udev?
07:06.33Ramattackno.... wait
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07:06.34erpoRamattack: You'll need an ssh server on the windows side for that.
07:06.42mnspallu:  add non-free then do aptitude update and then the install
07:06.50erpoddalton: That's where I'd start.
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07:07.07mnsddalton:  there is on /usr/share/doc/udev
07:07.15RamattackI want to do a ssh tunnel to a linux box and tunnel from localhost:25555 for example to ssh machine encrypted and later from ssh machine to windows unencrypted
07:07.16mnss/on/one/
07:07.33stewRamattack: ssh -Llocalport:remotehost:remoteport ...
07:07.33Ramattackthis exactly
07:07.35Ramattackhttp://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi
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07:08.11Ramattackstew that allows you to connect remotehost:localhost to remote port of ...
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07:09.17pallui get an erro line 11
07:09.19AcTiVaTeis puzzled
07:09.24ddaltonare thanks, sorry having lots of trouble following since I am blind and don't have braille...
07:09.24Ramattackbut not to a remote port of a different machine than ssh destionation one
07:09.36stewRamattack: if for instance, you ssh 8080:localhost:80 user@remotehost ; then when you run "firefox http://localhost:8080" it'll be as if you ran "firefox http://remotehost"
07:09.49stew(except it is tunneled over ssh)
07:10.10Ramattackstew,  right BUT
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07:10.44stewleft butt
07:11.04pallumns do you mean "add non-free" or just + non-free because when i do the second one iget error on line 11
07:11.10BubbaTHow can I reconfigure xorg.conf?
07:11.21stewBubbaT: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
07:11.23Ramattackthe problem is I'm trying to reach to a windows machine connected to the same network as one interface of a solaris box running openssh
07:11.36BubbaTstew for some reason that is failing.
07:11.48stewBubbaT: what version of debian are you running?
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07:11.56RamattackI and I though well I could do a ssh tunnel till the solaris box and later from solaris to windows unencripted
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07:12.04mnspallu:   something like the following    --->     deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
07:12.17BubbaTlenny
07:12.28erpoRamattack: ssh -L 5901:windowshost:5900 solarlisbox
07:12.36stewRamattack: ssh -Llocalport:ip.of.windows.box:portonwindows user@solarisbox
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07:12.54dFenceerm... when trying to make the modules for kernel 2.6.25.3 i get the message "ERROR: "nf_conntrack_destroy" [net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_pptp.ko] undefined!" (and a couple more, all resorting to nf_**) <- is that a dependency problem or wtf!?
07:13.00Ramattackmmmm wait :) perhaps that could work :) :)
07:13.07Ramattackwait please doing some checks
07:13.10stewBubbaT: use X -configure
07:13.25erpoRamattack: windowshost should be the IP of the windows hosts from the point of view of solarisbox. That's very important.
07:14.15erpoRamattack: So if both boxes are behind NAT on the same LAN, you'll need to use the real (private) IP of the Windows box rather than the publicly reachable IP.
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07:15.29Ramattackerpo there's no nat on destination that's the real problem else for this little damn thing a programmed need I will nat 3389 from remote public ip to windowsboxip
07:15.33Ramattackit's just for 2 minutes test
07:15.34Ramattackgrrrr
07:15.51dFencehow can i turn up the verbose-level when compiling kernel-stuff?
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07:17.30pallumns: thankk you for you patience and you hellp
07:17.43palluthank you all for your help
07:17.45pallulater
07:17.55mnspallu:   once you have the packages downloaded and installed, you'llneed to compile and install them
07:18.27perfectorhow can i use one nameserver to resolve internal addresses and another for external addresses??
07:18.31palluit didnt work today maybe i will make it work tommorow
07:18.38palluthank you for your hel[
07:18.44mnsok no probs
07:19.52AcTiVaTedFence: cat nf_conntrack_pptp.ko.gz| gunzip| strings|grep nf_conntrack_destroy  see if you can get a response from that
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07:21.06dFenceAcTiVaTe: there's no nf_conntrack_pptp.ko.gz in net/netfilter
07:21.37dFencethough it's selected in menuconfig
07:21.38AcTiVaTedFence: My bad, guess they are not gzipped
07:21.51AcTiVaTedFence: cat nf_conntrack_pptp.ko | strings|grep nf_conntrack_destroy  see if you can get a response from that
07:21.54AcTiVaTe=)
07:22.12holycowhi guys
07:22.14holycowis there a package in etch that automagically preffils some mirrors to try if say you couldn't get a nic working and therefore not populate your sources.list file on start?
07:22.22dFenceAcTiVaTe: there's no .ko at all, guess that's the problem
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07:22.37dFencei mean nf_conntrack_pptp.ko
07:22.56AcTiVaTedFence: Not having the modules makes it kinda hard to use a function from it indeed ;)
07:23.24dFenceyepp that's what i thought too.. no idea why though, it should've been complied..
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07:24.04AcTiVaTethinks of an old Michael Douglas movie...
07:24.08SteveandersHi.. I want to install mod_python in xampp in debian, anybody help me.
07:24.11Ramattackerpo, this worked :) but let's see how openssh on solaris behaves now... because I have tested from one of testing solaris box here to a windows machine but all 3 machines are in the same subnet... I'm going to call ssh to a internet ip and ask to connect from the solaris to another internal box on a different subnet and network than wich I use for doing ssh (wich is an Internet public ip)
07:25.27Ramattackas you said doing ssh -L33333:192.168.5.8:3389 80.35.188.2 should work you think?
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07:25.51Ramattackwell I could simulate it too I suppose
07:26.19dFenceerrm.. AcTiVaTe: there isn't a nf_conntrack_pptp.* (starting to kinda panic...)
07:26.48dFencewhops, wrong dir - strike that
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07:28.24papatI've got an USB card that works in monitor mode but not in managed mode, as it won't ping (it gets stucked for hours without any signal of emission), and of course I cannot get access to  internet nor the router. any ideas if what's happening?
07:29.12perfectorpls help me use one nameserver to resolve internal addresses and another for external addresses??
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07:29.28papatideas (of) what's
07:30.22dFencehow can i see if a dhcpd has given out any IP-Adresses so far?
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07:31.44markybobperfector, use dnsmasq
07:31.48TerminusdFence: lease file is in /var/db/ or somewhere around there. can't remember exactly.
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07:32.27perfectormarkybob: like i would have to configure it on my local machine right? is it too difficult to configure?
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07:33.09markybobperfector, yes.  no, it's not difficult
07:33.34perfectormarkybob: thanks a ton , will try it out right away
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07:34.00dFence*ack* gotta get creative... and draw 'n shit... *grr*
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07:35.20perfectormarkybob: i already have pdns-recursor running on my machine to resolve external addresses, and for local addresses there is a dns server running on the network.. but i dont want to use it for external addresses..
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07:36.13markybobperfector, i dont know about pdns-recursor, but dnsmasq allows you to specify specific ips per domain
07:37.06perfectormarkybob: its actually just like bind's caching nameserver.. can dnsmasq also do it??
07:37.27perfectormarkybob: in that case i can totally eliminate pdns-recursor
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07:40.12holycow!amd64
07:40.12dpkg[amd64] the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
07:40.20markybobperfector, yes, you can
07:40.48perfectormarkybob: aha... sounds good.. thx
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07:45.39holycowi have a half started install of a few packages that i ctrl/c'd out of
07:45.53holycowapt waants me to install -f but i want to just clear the request and not proceed
07:46.02holycowhow is that done half way through if at all?
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07:49.33holycowis there a debian equivalent of restricted modules?
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07:52.18Penixholycow: looking for something in particular?
07:52.25zyx386_i have this error with apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/3748/
07:52.45maligorholycow, they'll be in non-free, dunno if there are precompiled (if you mean video card kernel modules)
07:52.48zyx386_i add just backports in sources.list
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07:54.03wolszyx386_: first correct your sources.list then read backports.org instructions again
07:54.35zyx386_wols, thanx what is wrong in my sources.list?
07:54.47zyx386_without backreport worked fine
07:54.52wolsit says you have a duplicate entry for main
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07:55.15wolszyx386_: have you read the instruction on backports.org?
07:55.18Gecewhi all
07:55.29zyx386_wols, oh thnax
07:55.32zyx386_yes
07:55.41Decepticonhow can i view cpu temperature type of statistics?
07:56.05stewDecepticon: acpi -t
07:56.06wolsstatistics don't have a cpu temperature
07:56.21Decepticonthey might
07:56.26zyx386_wols, what mean with "Replacing www.backports.org/debian with the mirror in question. "
07:56.32wolsbeing an abstract concept I doubt
07:56.34zyx386_which question!
07:57.17wols"replace www.backports.org/debian with a URL of a mirror near you"
07:57.24Gecewhow do block many ports on iptables one command?
07:57.33Decepticonstew what package shall i get for that, i dont have the command
07:57.36wolsGecew: port range or single ports?
07:57.49wolsDecepticon: apt-cache search acpi
07:57.56Decepticonwols, too many results
07:57.59stewDecepticon: acpi
07:57.59Gecewport: 25 and 110
07:58.11wolsDecepticon: then search for a package with a file bin/acpi
07:58.22wolsGecew: instead of a single port: 25,110   IIRC
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07:59.16zyx386_wols, i do that but i have stil the problem
07:59.18stewi don't think you can do that without adding an extension
07:59.26Decepticonacpi -t gives "No support for device type: thermal"
07:59.29stewzyx386_: read the instructions page on backports.org
07:59.33Decepticonis it a big problem?
07:59.37stewDecepticon: 'modprobe thermal' and try again
07:59.41wols!tell Decepticon about lm:_sensors
08:00.17stewGecew: search the iptables manpage for multiport, or just add two rules
08:00.26Gecewwols: is command right   iptables -A INPUT -p all --sport 25,110 -s 192.168.1.200 -j DROP
08:00.33stewGecew: no
08:01.31tarzeaudoes anyone drive a Ford Puma ?
08:02.23Decepticonwols i apt-getted lm-sensors and did modprobe thermal and i am getting the same message with acpi -t "No support for device type: thermal"
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08:03.01stewDecepticon: lm-sensors is a completely different method of gathering such information.  if acpi -t doesn't work after modprobe thermal.  you shoudl try lm-sensors next
08:03.03rvsjoenare the extended modules loaded for all protocols with -p all ? or do you need to load them explicitly?
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08:04.38Gecewiptables -A INPUT -p all -m multiport --sport 25,110 -s 192.168.1.200 -j DROP is work?
08:05.19zyx386_thanx stew i install the package from backports, but have this error by run "apt-get update"  http://paste.debian.net/3749/
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08:05.48stewzyx386_: read the instructions page at http://backports.org
08:05.50holycowi need to compile a kernel module and package it up very quickly.  is there a quick guide on how to do this fast without doing a full debian compliant package with all the documentation?
08:06.11rvsjoenGecew : no, I think you need -p tcp or udp to use the multiport extension
08:06.21stewGecew: --sports not --sport
08:06.26\3TATUKDoes anyone know of an easier/alternative way to enable LAN internet connection sharing that Firestarter? (Reason being, it block raw constructed IP packets)
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08:06.32zyx386_sry stew
08:06.33Decepticonif i change /etc/modules, how do i reload it?
08:06.37zyx386_i found it thanx
08:06.39Gecewhmm ok thx
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08:10.50orveldv_guys, that factoid about simple sid backport will work for testing too, if I change the deb-src line?
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08:11.59steworveldv_: yes.  heck it works for a ubuntu deb-src line even
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08:12.12wols<PROTECTED>
08:12.26tarzeau!qotd0
08:12.27\3TATUKIs there a GUI front?
08:12.37orveldv_stew: great; thank you
08:12.37wols\3TATUK: no need for it
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08:13.39wolsDecepticon: lm-sensors has lots of docs with it. you need to configure it first. as for loading modules for it: sensors-detect as first step. and hope it works
08:13.56Decepticonwols, i did sensors-detect and it made changes to /etc/modules
08:14.02Decepticonthat is why i am asking about reloading /etc/modules
08:14.09wolsholycow: get headers, make it, make install, modprobe it
08:14.47wolsDecepticon: it will load automatically those modules usually. if not, just reload them manually. tho there is a initscript for modules iirc
08:14.55holycowyeah installing build essential right now
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08:15.17wolsholycow: exact steps can differ depending on module tho.
08:15.24holycowman its been a long time since i've had to compile anything, i've totally forgotten a bunch
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08:15.27holycowyeah
08:15.28holycow*nod*
08:15.39wolsholycow: and the way you did it is really bad, but you know that, right?
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08:16.31holycowwols:  not sure if i'm following, there is only one way to compile the files (depending on toolchain i guess)
08:16.37holycowright?
08:17.04wolsthere are lots. module-assistant is the most prefered one
08:17.18holycowoh
08:17.22holycowgoogling
08:17.29wols!tell holycow about m.a
08:17.32wols!tell holycow about m-a
08:17.51holycowoh!
08:17.54holycowno kidding, holycow
08:17.54wolsholycow: only if the module has been packaged in debian tho
08:18.03holycowaha right
08:18.22holycowwhat happened was the new free broadcom tigon3 driver stopped supporting a particular broadcom chipset
08:18.46holycowso my nic isn't working ... i have no clue right now why or how
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08:19.44holycowso i don't know i guess if i can use debian sources to rebuild or if i haveto use the tar source build the modules an dpackage manually
08:19.45holycow:/
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08:21.28abdorezahi all
08:21.57abdorezaI install debian etch 4.0 r0
08:22.25abdorezaI install mplayer
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08:24.12abdorezahelp me
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08:24.36abdorezacan you help me?
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08:26.48Tex-Twilgood morning
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08:27.08dimirMorn.
08:27.19Tex-Twilplease could anybody tell me how can I force the nfs-kernel-server to NFS version 3 ?
08:27.22Tex-Twilnot 4
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08:27.53Tex-Twilon the last comment here http://www.jroller.com/jasonf/entry/solaris_10_nfs_client_connecting  they explain how to do it on Fedora
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08:34.20GatonegroHello! I have a Wacom Graphire 4 plugged to my Debian-sid-powered laptop, kernel 2.6.25-2, but it does not seem to recognize the absolute mode for the stylus, nor pressure. Any hints are appreciated.
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08:35.32Hail_Spacecakehow do you get allow a non-root user to format drives and make partitions on said drives?
08:36.18Gatonegroenouf: Only if I manage to get it to click properly -- then I can use whatever music player you want. ;)
08:36.45Gatonegro#linux enouf: Only if I manage to get it to click properly -- then I can use whatever music player you want. ;)
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08:38.27YodaYodaHail_Spacecake: Give that user write permissions to thee raw image in /dev
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08:41.49meffmorning all
08:41.52DawnLighthello. what is the debian way of adding my own init scripts? any docs on this?
08:42.06enoufGatonegro: what?
08:42.30enoufoh, you're the wacom guy
08:42.48themillDawnLight: /msg dpkg init.d
08:43.07holycowwols: thanks for the help
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08:56.34mammocciohi ppl
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09:01.25holycowokay when i run make in this modules source dir it says ... no such file or directly. stop.  error 2 ... i have build-essential installed and kernel headers ... is there anything else that i need?
09:01.34holycowit builds fine on the desktop here
09:04.09holycownm
09:04.25holycowi thought the metapackage pulled in the headers ... i guess not
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09:13.24mammoccioanyone can help me on a iptables topic?
09:13.42\3TATUK#iptables
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09:14.32holycowokay after i do a make install ... what do i need to do to get the kernel to use the modules?  rmmod/modprobe work fine it seems but i vague remember there being one or two more steps
09:16.18cafuegoholycow: Didn't use module-assistant?
09:16.29rvsjoenput them im /etc/modules if they should be loaded on startup ?
09:16.43holycowcafuego: it wasn't for a driver whose source was in repos ... i understand thats when  you use m-a
09:16.50cafuegoholycow: aye.
09:17.06holycowetc/modules? aha
09:17.18holycowi thought there was something along the lines of dempod something something that had to be done
09:17.20holycowi guess not
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09:19.28rvsjoendepmod -a to generate module dependencies, may be the install did it for you ? wouldnt hurt to run it again though
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09:22.09holycowaha!
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09:40.09holycow*hmm* making some progress.  okay i used a netinstall cd to install just the basic system.  strangely lspci isn't there and i cant find what package that is contained in.
09:40.14holycowwould anyone know?
09:40.33dondelelcaroholycow: pciutils
09:40.41dondelelcaroholycow: packages.debian.org knows too.
09:40.41holycowoh! danke
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09:42.03papatI've got an USB card that works in monitor mode but not in managed mode, as it won't ping (it gets stucked for hours without any signal of emission), and of course I cannot get access to  internet nor the router. any ideas if what's happening?  I wonder how can I get connected to the wlan but then ping does not work (neither works). I've tried with two PCs and got the same weird result
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09:45.33holycowohh right
09:45.44holycowdanke
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09:45.49holycowright there it is
09:46.00streuner_!moo
09:46.00dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
09:46.03zd32nvdoes anyone know if the mplayer available from debian-multimedia still requires w32codecs?
09:46.06zd32nvfor 64bit
09:46.15holycowokay next question, ifconfig -a shows in lo and sit0 ... i don't see an eth0.  what is an sit0 device? ipv6?
09:46.21holycowhi streuner_
09:46.29zd32nvyes
09:47.03holycowaha dnake
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09:52.36holycowdoes it make sense for an sit0 device to show up via ifconfig -a and not eth0?
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09:56.03YodaYodaHow can I see which mirror has a package if using a local proxy as apt-cache policy does not display the directory, just the host.
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09:58.55asdzxchi
09:59.06asdzxci want to install Debian on my Xeon Quad-Core machine (64bit)
09:59.16asdzxcwhich architekture should i use ? i want 64bit OS
09:59.24holycowamd64
09:59.28asdzxci can see only amd64 (for AMD) and ia64 (for Itanium)
09:59.34asdzxcamd ? is it really for intel ?
09:59.38tarzeauasdzxc: yes
09:59.41Eulexyes
09:59.42holycowyeah it turns out it is
09:59.46holycowi just found out too
09:59.50asdzxccool, ok :) thnx
10:00.09Eulexintel adopted amd's 64-bit extensions to i386
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10:02.34reZohello, i have followed a number of guides for configuring usplash, but i'm still getting the default splash screen (strange ugly one), can anyone link me to a WORKING guide,
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10:02.55reZoand how do i know if a boot screen image is meant to work or not, are they system specific?
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10:14.03holycow!broadcom
10:14.03dpkgfrom memory, broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43>
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10:14.52maligorisn't it b43
10:15.05maligorand why does it quote 2.4 versions?
10:15.23holycowunfortunately i'm not sure, my lspci shows unknown broadcom
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10:16.02nigglehello guys
10:16.24maligorholycow, what's it show with lspci -nn? (and please, don't paste the entire output, just the bcom)
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10:17.11holycowsame actually, broadcom  unkown device
10:17.13holycowvery very strange
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10:17.23maligorwith -nn it should show the pci-ids too
10:17.34nigglei'm here just to advertise a geek camp that will take place in Italy this summer
10:17.46holycow07:00.0
10:17.51holycow*nod*
10:18.01maligorthat's the slot number
10:18.29niggleif you're in italy, or you're planning to come to, come to visit us
10:18.34nigglemoca.olografix.org
10:18.57holycow14e4:165a
10:19.02niggletnx for your attention
10:20.19holycowoh neat i can google this
10:20.22holycowi didn't know
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10:20.54nigglebye
10:20.54slxixwhat would we do without google?
10:21.02nigglestudy?
10:21.07niggle:)
10:21.10holycowby niggle
10:21.15holycowno kidding slxix
10:21.31nigglebye holycow
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10:22.30wolsholycow: update-pciids
10:23.45holycowoh, i didn't know i could update that either
10:23.50holycowdamn i've learned a bunch this morning
10:23.53holycowcool
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10:25.39zd32nvdoes anyone know if the mplayer available from debian-multimedia still requires w32codecs?
10:25.42zd32nv64bit
10:26.10slxixwhat do you mean by 'requires'?
10:26.16KamazeHello, i need help :(
10:26.27KamazeI can't ssh my Debian DomU, google said "install udev", but when i install udev on the domu, networking doesn't work anymore
10:26.37slxixerr, nevermind. i don't have an answer that will help you. sorry. :)
10:27.00Kamazewhen udev isn't installed, i get after login: stdin: is not a tty
10:27.24KamazeAnd when udev is installed, i get: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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10:27.51KamazeI already asked in #xen, but thats a pretty quiet channel :)
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10:27.58KamazeSo, you guys are my last hope :'(
10:28.36petemcwhat kernel version?
10:28.41mquinKamaze: do ifconfig -a to see all your interfaces - udev has probably put it somewhere other than eth0
10:29.07disposableif i need more keys in my .ssh directory what is the correct way of doing it having id_rsa1, id_rsa2, etc... or cat id_rsa1 >> id_rsa?
10:29.08KamazeKernel 2.6.22
10:29.09Kamazexen
10:29.27KamazeUbuntu Gutsy (32bit) is the dom0
10:29.53Kamazedisposable, you're right, its eth5 now
10:30.02Kamazehow can i change it back to eth0? :)
10:30.25disposableKamaze: i don't know why you're asking me, but udev rules is the answer :)
10:30.42mquinKamaze: either fix the udev rules, or use ifrename
10:30.53mquinI was lazy and did the latter
10:31.11zd32nvdisposable: why do you need so many keys?
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10:31.23zd32nvdisposable: there doesn't need to be a naming convention.. just specify the key in .config
10:31.26disposablezd32nv: my personal one and work one
10:31.55zd32nvfair enough
10:32.19paracetamolohi, is there a way to get back something accidentally ~$ rm *
10:32.32disposablezd32nv: so i CAN have keys in multiple files, right?
10:32.56holycowthanks for the help guys
10:33.09holycowturns out i was compiling the wrong frickin broadcom driver
10:33.10holycowlol
10:33.15holycowman but i learn a whole whack
10:33.19holycowappreciate it greatly!!
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10:34.07error404i'm trying to debug a kernel panic, and i can't get netconsole to read the config string. i've tried many strings that'll do what i want. i keep getting netconsole: couldn't parse config at 192.168.65.149!
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10:37.07slxixerror404: how do those two things relate?
10:37.53error404i need a kernel log. the panic is larger than one screenful.
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10:42.16Kamazedisposable / mquin, i renamed now eth5 to eth0 via ifrename
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10:42.37Kamazeis this an 'acceptable' solution or somehow poor?
10:42.46liableKamaze: fix your udev, no need to use ifrename thses days
10:42.48KamazeAlso i gave the DomU a static mac
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10:43.03Bac9anyone here knowledgeable enough to comment on a pair of speakers?
10:43.04Kamazemhm
10:43.11Kamazeliable, how ?
10:43.15liableKamaze: /msg dpkg z25
10:43.19Kamazeifrename seemed easier :)
10:43.25error404Bac9 what do you specifically want to know?
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10:43.43Kamazeliable?
10:44.00Bac9error404: are these any good: http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=BALBOA10&CheckProduct=Y ?
10:44.16error404your best bet is to listen to a pair at the shop.
10:44.18liable!tell Kamaze about z25
10:44.30slxixerror404: i'm looking at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/492 but i don't know enough to provide any advice.
10:44.31error404they're probably decent, but JBL's consumer-level stuff has been a bit lacklustre in the past 10 years or so
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10:46.01error404slxix thanks, i'll see if i bother trying to debug this
10:46.04error404it's pretty pathological
10:46.15Bac9error404: compared to the computer speakers available... are these going to be better? I can't find any reviews
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10:46.27error404almost certainly, but you will need an amp as well
10:46.45Bac9error404: what would you say is a good price for them?
10:47.10error404really hard to say with no idea on their construction beyond the specsheet
10:47.15Bac9error404: yes I understand about the amp.. I would just like a decent pair of speakers
10:47.16wolsBac9: do those amps run debian?
10:47.31wolsor speakers or whatever
10:47.39Bac9wols: I don't know.. are there any amps available that run debian?
10:47.46liablecourse they do, they go to 11 too!
10:47.52error404Bac9 they look pretty low end, probably in the $100/pr range? don't base a decision on that though
10:48.05wolsI don't either but I suggest you ask your questions elsewhere until you have questions about an amp which does
10:48.23Bac9error404: I am basing a decision on how much the store is trying to rip me off... and it's around that
10:48.36Bac9wols: what amps run debian?
10:48.42error404for pricing, use pricematch or something and see if it's market price
10:48.45wolsBac9: I don#t know and I don't give a fuck
10:48.55wolsbut go away with your non debian questions
10:49.22Bac9wols: what are you, mrwilson incarnate?
10:49.28wols!ot
10:49.28dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
10:49.49Bac9error404: thank you
10:51.07Kamazeliable: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules ???
10:51.11Kamaze:)
10:51.14liableno
10:51.32liablethe z25 file is the one you want to look at
10:51.46Kamazesimply clear it?
10:52.01liableyou can do that yes, and reload the nic modules.
10:52.05wolsliable: at least in older times of udev, deleting that file did work. sorta
10:52.14liablewols: still does
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10:52.34wald0!firefox3
10:53.19wald0can anybody reemember me the website where says "why X package is not yet on testing" ? (firefox 3)
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10:53.30wols!why is firefox3 not in testing
10:53.30dpkgfirefox3 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=firefox3
10:53.40wald0oh nice
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10:53.44wolsthere is no firefox anywhere in debian btw
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10:54.01goldfisc1litheres now an iceape ;)
10:54.08darren_how do I find out which package a binary file comes from?  killall in this case
10:54.20wolsdarren_: dpkg -S
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10:54.46wald0wols: well, im just trying to know why is not the version 3 of firefox (iceweasel) yet on lenny
10:55.13wald0or... the dependencies remaining needed for it
10:56.25darren_wols, thanks.  Is there any way to do this for binaries not yet installed?
10:56.38wols!tell darren_ about search
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10:58.02fdewald0: It's not in testing because it's not released yet.
10:58.25wolsit's not yet in sid either
10:58.39wald0oh ok
10:59.05Kamazethank you liable, mquin and disposable :)
10:59.06Jacob_Hwald0: it’s pretty easy to install from the binaries on the mozilla website
10:59.06fdewald0: When Mozilla release it, it'll become iceweasel 3 after patches etc... if it's even planned for inclusion in lenny...
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10:59.17Kamazeworks fine now, and i gave the DomU a static mac :)
10:59.28KamazeAnd SSH works also fine :D
10:59.29liablecool
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11:00.26wald0Jacob_H: well, i preffer to have the "debian compatiblity"
11:00.26holycowand update-pciids works great, that updated all the lspci information properly
11:00.28holycowthanks!
11:00.32holycowtime for a few z's
11:00.33holycownite
11:00.37johannes_33How can I set a script to run while and only while apt is running?
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11:02.15XrMb2hm.. what could be the minimal length of a public ipv6-address?
11:02.36maligor128bits?
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11:02.41XrMb2i mean in characters
11:02.45dondelelcaroXrMb2: ::
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11:03.01XrMb2that's not public?
11:03.10Jacob_Hwald0: you can install it by unpacking the tar.gz into /opt/firefox and then just running /opt/firefox/firefox, which means that it won’t affect anything else on your box
11:03.11XrMb2i mean some address an ISP would assign to someone
11:03.21dondelelcaroXrMb2: depends on the isp
11:03.28Jacob_Hit doesn’t leave a mess of files all over the system
11:03.37dondelelcaroXrMb2: what are you trying to do with it anyway?
11:04.22XrMb2i'm trying to determine whether i've got an ipv6 or an ipv4-address in some script. but i think that's a stupid approach anyway, i could differ between the occurance of : or .
11:05.01dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz' returned no results.
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11:06.27bardyrHey, how can i start a curses program at boot and skip/overrun the login
11:07.19slxixbardyr: man inittab
11:08.18bardyrslxix: thanks
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11:11.08PrMoriartyhello
11:11.25PrMoriartyin a debian system what is the best way for add a static route ?
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11:11.48PrMoriartyat each reboot the route must be always set
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11:12.00zd32nva pair of what?
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11:12.22EnverexHrm, MPlayer and alsamixer wont open because they say they can't find libosslib.so, but what package is supposed to contain this file?
11:12.36petemcPrMoriarty: you can use a post up line in /etc/network/interfaces
11:12.54PrMoriartypetemc, thank you
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11:13.15PrMoriartypetemc, and the iptables rules?
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11:14.33petemcPrMoriarty: i guess you could do same, or create a script in /etc/init.d/ , im not sure what the "standard" method is
11:14.45PrMoriartypetemc, ok then i will use it
11:14.53PrMoriartypetemc, i am looking for the standard method
11:15.11PrMoriartyi mean the administrator method
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11:17.42rvsjoenyou can do it in /etc/networking/interfaces , run scripts/commands when the interface ois brought up
11:17.58rvsjoentoo late :P
11:18.07petemcalso he knew that already
11:18.15rvsjoenoh
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11:18.24EnverexThis is odd, would the onboard AC97 codec on an nForce 4 board be supported by ALSA? It doesn't seem to have loaded any modules for it
11:18.41Penix!ac97
11:18.41dpkgThere's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check.
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11:19.58Enverex"nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller" that's not going to be the intel one (AMD board), and au8810 doesn't sound familiar and can't see why it would be via... hrm..
11:21.09maligordoesn't nforce4 have azalia
11:21.35maligoroh, no, it isn't
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11:23.15stonekeeperhi. I'm having issues logging into etch with a public key. Is this anything to do with the ssl vuln updates? many thanks.
11:24.01Penixcould be
11:24.06Penixdoes that help?
11:24.17x03hi
11:24.27stonekeeper?
11:24.32x03i have a litle problem here with python...
11:24.39stonekeeperits not a known problem?
11:24.39x03http://rafb.net/p/8mi7Y796.html
11:24.40YodaYodastonekeeper: The new openssh packages reject known bad keys.
11:24.54x03seem all the same problem there... someone know ?
11:24.57stonekeeperYodaYoda: ah. Superb. thanks very much
11:25.28rvsjoeninstall the missing modules ?
11:26.13YodaYodastonekeeper: Not all bad keys are known so regenerate any keys that you are not certain are secure (ie generated on a nondeb derivative os).
11:26.18x03rvsjoen: how ?
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11:27.55EnverexHrm, ok loaded it, it's the intel one apparently. Any ideas why the module wouldn't be auto-loaded at startup?
11:28.22wolsEnverex: put it in /etc/modules
11:28.35fdex03: Did you not install gdesklets from the archive or something?
11:28.49Enverexwols, Yes but why wasn't it picked up automatically? Like, every other device I've ever had has worked without me specifying it
11:29.10IntuitiveNippleIs anyone here cleared to edit the SSLkeys Wiki page to add some useful info (save me registering for a one-time edit!) ?
11:29.16rvsjoenyou installed the python-gtk package ?
11:29.27x03fde: yes, from apt
11:29.32g00sePartimage: do i take it that it really should be used to back up umounted partitions?
11:29.40x03rvsjoen: yes
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11:30.43fdex03: Very strange... file a bug imo
11:31.07x03report?
11:31.38fdex03: umm, yea
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11:32.38sander_mHello. I seem to have some problem with the xserver. When I use my desktop, I keep seeing strange flashes on the screen. Just a split second. At some point the screen goes totally black. When that happens, I can't bring X.org back up. Not even logging into the console and executing /etc/init.d/gdm restart will work. X restarts, but instead of the login screen I get the same black screen back.
11:33.03sander_mCan someone help me debug this problem? I can't figure it out :-/
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11:33.52g00sesander_m: check ~/.xsession-errors
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11:35.13IntuitiveNipplesander_m: I've seen that in the past caused by a loose video adapter! Reseating the adapter solved it.
11:35.45sander_mIntuitiveNipple: The video adapter is on-board intel 945GM.
11:35.57IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Well, thats one less thing to check then
11:36.36sander_mg00se: Nothing interesting in .xsession-errors, but it looks like it only records whatever happend since X started. Is that correct?
11:37.26IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any clues (warnings/errors) ?
11:37.26zd32nvis there a special metapackage for a minimal gnome?
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11:41.01sander_mIntuitiveNipple: There are a couple of warnings about missing font paths and a few warnings from the intel driver. No errors
11:41.37IntuitiveNipplesander_m: focus on the intel driver warnings and cross-reference them via web searches for clues.
11:41.54sander_mWill do.
11:41.54IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Are you running a 'standard' single screen system?
11:42.15sander_mIntuitiveNipple: It's a Dell D520 laptop with an external monitor connected
11:43.00sander_mNo xinerama or anything. The laptop lid is closed
11:43.01IntuitiveNippleIs it only the external monitor that exhibits the issue?
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11:44.08sander_mYes and no. I've seen the flashes before on other monitors, but not the black screen (yet).
11:44.47sander_mTo make it more complicated: When I use compiz instead of metacity I don't see the flashes, but X.org can come crashing down in the same way.
11:45.33sander_mSo far I've been fairly succesfull in triggering the crash by using screensaver, but X has come down when I wasn't using the screen saver as well
11:45.33johannes_33Guys, pls check out my awesome progress-bar-on-kbd script http://pastebin.com/m6e59d555     Any improvements welcome
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11:46.00sander_mcorrection: I meant "by using xscreensaver"
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11:46.04johannes_33Guys, pls check out my awesome progress-bar-on-kbd script http://pastebin.com/m6e59d555     Any improvements welcome
11:46.59maligorif you used binary, you could make 16 states
11:47.01wols!tell zd32nv about install gnome
11:48.41zd32nvwols: ta.
11:48.41IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Is it possible it's a memory issue? I recall something weirdly similar ages ago that came down to flakey RAM
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11:48.48zd32nvthanks for ur work with emacs too
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11:49.47sander_mIntuitiveNipple: I don't think so. Everything worked flawless with Etch for over a year. As soon as I upgraded to Lenny (about 10 days ago) the problems immediately began.
11:50.08sander_mIf it was memory then I would expect to have noticed something under Etch as well...
11:50.17DawnLightapache2 question: the line "ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/*:80/serva_website/VirtualHostRoot/" screws up the css links so that the browser doesn't find them. what am i doing wrong?
11:50.20IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Ha, I agree then. At least you have a scenario that proves that
11:50.43IntuitiveNipplesander_m: "The art of debugging... narrow down the field to one"
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11:51.17sander_mIntuitiveNipple: I'm combing through my X.org log and found this: "intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found"
11:51.24sander_mBut X starts normally
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11:51.41sander_mThe line after that says: Chipset 945GM found
11:52.03pumpkin0sander_m: the busid is wrong and ignored afterwards.
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11:52.47IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Was that from a restart or a clean system boot? I've seen that before on restarts after an X crash
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11:53.40sander_mThat was from a restart. X died and I logged in under the console at Ctrl+Alt+F1 and hit "reboot"
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11:54.28IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Any clues in the /var/log/kern.log ?
11:55.59sander_mIntuitiveNipple: Nope. The only interesting thing in there is a gdm segfault, which is caused by my reboot according to the timestamp.
11:56.45IntuitiveNippleNote: I've updated the SSLkeys Wiki page to include the GoDaddy info about obtaining free re-key credits for certificates issued from CSRs generated on systems affected by the openssl bug
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11:58.33sander_mIntuitiveNipple: I finished the rest of my X.org log. The intel errors in there are all expected according to what Google found. See e.g: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-March/033533.html
11:59.03sander_mPerhaps I should somehow force another crash and see if there's anything in ~/.xsession-errors
12:00.08skyowneri need an help with a script
12:00.17skyownerin a file i have entry like
12:00.19IntuitiveNipplesander_m: A long shot but... are there any power-management/ACPI events being reported at the same moment you see the problems? I'm wondering if it is some kind of interaction with power-save functionality
12:00.21skyownersdqsdqsdq 54
12:00.24skyownersqssdds 32
12:00.27skyownerqsdsdss
12:00.36skyownerand sometimes i don't have any number
12:00.52skyownerhow could i do for each time i don't have a number put a 1
12:01.39wolsregex for "line ends with a number", and if it doesn't "hit", you add the 1
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12:09.07checkershi, it is possible to move a program (irssi) running inside a shell into a screen session?
12:09.54castdont think so
12:09.56g00seskyowner: sed -r 's/(.*[^0-9])$/\1 1/g' yourfile.txt
12:10.05casti mean...'news to me if you can'
12:12.11IntuitiveNippleskyowner: something like: declare -a row; while read -a row; do KEY=${row[0]}; VALUE=${row[1]-1}; done < data.file
12:12.20N3bunelsaluta
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12:12.58IntuitiveNippleskyowner: The ${row[1]-1} uses the default value of "1" (the bit after the "-") if the variable isn't set
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12:13.53IntuitiveNippleskyowner: Possibly better to use ${row[1]:-1}  so it uses the "1" if ${row[1]} is unset or empty
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12:16.28castdo captchas [or whatever they're called] fuck anyoen else up
12:16.43sander_mIntuitiveNipple: Back after two crashes. I checked /var/log/acpid but there was nothing in it. I presume that is where ACPI events get registered?
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12:17.55IntuitiveNipplesander_m: Yes that is correct
12:19.29sander_mRunning the "substrate" xscreensaver hack under compiz seems to be a failly consistent way of triggering the error, but in that case a "gdm restart" will bring back X.org
12:19.41sander_mWhen it happens under metacity restarting gdm does not work
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12:22.31IntuitiveNipplesander_m: How much memory does the system have?
12:22.49sander_m2 Gig
12:23.09mavericksexit
12:23.27sander_mPS: I know it's not just the "substrate" hack causing this. I've triggered the bug using the "phosphor" hac as well
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12:24.21IntuitiveNippleIs this just caused by 'screensavers' ?
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12:25.27sander_mMostly.
12:25.45sander_mBut at least once my display went black when I started vim in gnome-terminal
12:25.57lemma_hi! is there a channel for help with debian livecd?
12:26.05sander_mBut maybe the xscreensaver was going something in the background at that time
12:26.12DeezireIs there a debian livecd? :o
12:26.22lemma_Deezire: there's plenty :)
12:26.34DeezireYeah, but i mean, official?
12:26.51lemma_Deezire: I'm actually referring to the livecd-helper and live-initramfs
12:26.53IntuitiveNipplesander_m: I'm just thinking that screensavers generally exercise advanced OpenGL features more than most general apps
12:27.04sander_mIntuitiveNipple: Also, the "flasing" of my screen happens all the time. I'd say once every 10-15 minutes or so.
12:27.08lemma_Deezire: .. rather than a specific livecd
12:27.15IntuitiveNipplesander_m: How about trying something like Google Earth or glxgears ?
12:27.59IntuitiveNipplesander_m: You *might* be able to capture more useful debug clues that way
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12:28.28sander_mglxgears works. So does the game "Widelands" which uses SDL/OpenGL
12:28.34IntuitiveNipplesander_m: You may need to have then feed all their stdout/stderr output to a file to ensure you capture it if X xrashes
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12:29.49sander_mIntuitiveNipple: How do I feed stdout and stderr to a single file? I know > will redirect stdout, but how do I redirect both?
12:30.16IntuitiveNipplesander_m: What resolution/hertz is the screen running?
12:30.34sander_m1280x1024 at 60 Hz
12:30.49IntuitiveNipplesander_m: app 2>&1 > output.log
12:31.04sander_mThanks
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12:46.12NyleGood Friggin Morning!
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12:47.01castgot milk.
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12:47.10Nylefuck milk
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12:47.15Nyle;)
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12:48.13jelly-homesander_m, I've seen the flashing thing on my Thinkpad's i915GM.  It went away with xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.2.1 or 2.3.0
12:49.17jelly-homesander_m, as for the screen going black and staying that way, you might want to try using vbetool to make the card reset
12:49.22NyleI'm thinnking, I don't game anymore
12:49.31NyleI would be ok with onboard intel video
12:49.56Nylebut my mobo has nothing on it for video damn 965p gigabyte
12:53.55sChaaahola
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12:55.47sander_mjelly-home: Thanks. I'm already suspecting that I'm dealing with two or three bugs here are the same time, instead of just one.
12:56.56sander_mjelly-home: The "substrate" hack on compiz is clearly one bug. The flash thing may be separate as you suggest. That just leaves me with the "phosphor" hack bug.
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12:58.42aspWorkanybody else having problems with /usr/share/perl/5.10/Getopt/Long.pm under lenny? all my nagios perl scripts complain about "Use of uninitialized value $opt in string eq at /usr/share/perl/5.10/Getopt/Long.pm line 497,
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12:59.03jelly-homesander_m, if you're using compiz, no idea then.  Heavy use of OpenGL is a whole other can of worms, one that I do not dip into often
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12:59.52sander_mjelly-home: compiz just seems to trigger a bug when using compiz. The other stuff (flashes and phosphor problems) happen with metacity too
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13:01.25sander_mcorrection: replace the first mention of "compiz" with "substrate"
13:02.12jelly-homesander_m, are you using etch?
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13:02.38sander_mjelly-home: No. Lenny. I upgraded from Etch about 10 days ago. Never had these problems with Etch
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13:03.07jelly-homesander_m, then you can try xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.3.1 from unstable
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13:03.35sander_mWill do. Thanks for the suggestion :-)
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13:04.36jelly-homeor maybe it's already there
13:04.49jelly-home!info xserver-xorg-video-intel lenny
13:04.51sander_mapt-cache policy says I have 2.2.2.1
13:04.56sander_mI updated this morning
13:05.09jelly-homehttp://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg-video-intel says it's in
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13:06.36areelsi need to copy some files into a directory but it says i've no right to do that. i can't log in as root, so how can i copy them?
13:06.36LOOP`hi
13:06.41ledestinI've removed 2 of 3 disks from raid5 array and added them back. Because of that, they were added to new slots and mdadm can't reassemble array with --force --auto=yes. Is there a way to fix that?
13:07.01dondelelcaroledestin: uh... 2 of three disks out of a raid array isn't recoverable.
13:07.13sander_mjelly-home: It must have landed somewhere in the last 7 hours then. I did an apt-get update this morning. I just did it again and now I see 2.3.x too
13:07.16wolsareels: what are the permissions of the directory?
13:07.23sander_mI'm in luck :-)
13:07.32dondelelcaro(unless they're exactly the same devices and you brought the array down)
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13:07.45jelly-homesander_m, aye, my mirror doesn't have it in testing yet
13:07.46areelswols i don't know but it's possible to edit files in that directory by running gedit from root terminal
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13:07.57wolsareels: I asked you something
13:08.04ledestindondelelcaro: I was just stupid enough to remove them. Nothing else has happened to them.
13:08.14areelswell, i've answered
13:08.16dondelelcaroledestin: while the array was running?
13:08.26ledestindondelelcaro: yes.
13:08.29wolsareels: no you did not answer my question
13:08.37areels[16:06] <areels> wols i don't know but it's possible to edit files in that directory by running gedit from root terminal
13:08.37ledestindondelelcaro: fail then remove.
13:08.47LOOP`I have a problem. I install debian sid and tar package but everytime that I uncompress an archive I must write tar xzvf name on bash, how I can append this option on right click of mouse?? Anyone can help me?
13:09.26castit must be so hard for you, having to hit 8 letters
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13:10.03halflifeLOOP`: what desktop manager are you using
13:10.06dondelelcaroledestin: well, you can try --re-add
13:10.16LOOP`halflife: gnome
13:10.17petemcLOOP`: use fileroller
13:10.24ledestindondelelcaro: does the same as add.
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13:10.37LOOP`petemc: thanks a lot
13:10.40LOOP`now I try
13:11.26ledestindondelelcaro: I just tested, if I just fail and remove a drive, then I can reassemble it.
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13:12.20dondelelcaroledestin: yes, but you can't if you remove two out of three.
13:12.31ledestindondelelcaro: yes I did just that.
13:12.57dondelelcaro*shrug*
13:13.12ledestindondelelcaro: but if I add a drive back, I can't reassemble it.
13:13.17jelly-homeledestin, simple solution: restore from backups.
13:13.41LOOP`petemc: thanks It's perfect :D
13:13.45dondelelcaroledestin: uh... again, if you've failed the drives and removed them, there's no way to reassemble.
13:13.45petemcnp
13:13.51dondelelcaroledestin: the array is done.
13:14.19ledestinjelly-home: I don't have backups for everything, unfortunately. Second, if shit happens when more important data is on the raid, I'll be prepared to fix it.
13:14.47dondelelcaro(you probably could use --assume-clean and some combination of --add to get them back together, but you should be just using that to recover, not to actually use the raid array)
13:14.59jelly-homeledestin, sounds like research, then :-|
13:17.13areelsit's odd
13:17.22jelly-homeledestin, my first impulse would be to poweroff, remove the remaining drive from the picture, then try to recreate the array using the two supposedly failed devices
13:17.26areelsi'm in trouble with copying files
13:17.34jelly-homeledestin, NO WARRANTY
13:17.36areelshow can i copy some files on debian?
13:18.17ronrareels: apropos <whatever trivial think you're looking for>
13:18.18jelly-homeareels, why not start with giving the directory permissions that were asked for
13:18.18ledestinjelly-home: my situation is worse than that. at the time I failed a drive it was already a degraded array. I just didn't know that.
13:18.45areelsjelly-home:  how can i see dir permissions? i don't know what is it
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13:19.12LOOP`petemc: you know what's the name of the package that in ubuntu call "Insall and remove"?
13:19.14jelly-homeareels, ls -ld /path/to/directory
13:19.28ledestinjelly-home: although, making copies of 2 drives is a great idea, thanks :)
13:20.05areelsjelly-home:  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-22 16:00 /etc/shorewall
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13:20.35petemcLOOP`: according to ps its gnome-app-install , not sure if its in debian
13:21.02jelly-homeareels, that directory is owned by root and only root has write permissions on it.  It's normal that you cannot write there.
13:21.07LOOP`ok
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13:21.10LOOP`thanks
13:21.10LimCoreif in 2007 I connected from debian box to derbian server,  then if someone recordet the transmission via internet (i.e. on one of servers) - then he can probably read it now?
13:21.23debiani810, is this driver in the etch respitories?
13:21.35jelly-homeLimCore, yes, probably
13:21.38areelsjelly-home i'm unable to login as root because debian says administrator login is disabled, that's way i'm stuck
13:21.42LimCorejelly-home: cool
13:21.44areelshow can i enable admin login?
13:22.03jelly-homeLimCore, (assuming you're referring to the ssl/ssh keys issue)
13:22.15LimCoreyes
13:23.03jelly-homeareels, cat /etc/debian_version
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13:23.15areels4.09
13:23.17areels4.0
13:23.26themillhmmmm
13:24.12jelly-homeareels, dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1
13:24.32areelsii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
13:24.42jelly-homebelieves
13:24.58areelsbelieve what
13:25.11jelly-homeareels, how are you trying to login as root?
13:25.21areelsfrom the login screen of gnome
13:25.30themillareels: you can't and you don't want to
13:25.42areelsi just really want to copy some files
13:25.44themill!root x
13:25.44dpkgIf you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
13:25.45areelsi hate security
13:25.49liableareels: no need to log into gnome as root
13:25.57areelshow can i copy those files then?
13:26.04jelly-homeareels, use "su -" or oppen a root terminal.  You're root there.
13:26.19themillareels: if you hate security, why don't you run some other legacy operating system from the north west USA?
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13:26.30areelswell i don't know copy command :)
13:26.51ronrareels: apropos <whatever trivial think you're looking for> (in your case, copy)
13:26.52areelsthemill:  because there are 345 linux distros and people says debian is the best
13:27.00liablei think gnome has an option to open file manager as root
13:27.02areelsi can learn and try all 345 distributions
13:27.06areelscan't*
13:27.14debianareels: It is moore than 345
13:27.19areelsprobably
13:27.25themillareels: "[14:25] <areels> i hate security" => run windows
13:27.34wolsor OSX :P
13:27.36debianCan I use "intel 965 series" with debian etch?
13:27.40areelswindows is unusable since vista
13:27.46areelsi can't go on it anymore
13:27.47ronror just always login as root
13:27.48areelsit's not logical
13:27.49themilldebian: not easily
13:27.49jelly-homedebian, yes.
13:28.02jelly-homeheh
13:28.07debianjelly-home: Can I aptitude install it?
13:28.21jelly-homedebian, what?
13:28.23liableareels: its highly regarded usually because it doesnt let/encourage people to do silly things. so you're going to actually need to learn stuff to be able to use it properly :)
13:28.32debianintel 965 series driver
13:28.36themilljelly-home: are you thinking vesa? or the etchnhalf intel driver?
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13:28.50areelsliable copying files shouldn't require to learn something huge
13:28.53debianI want 3d acelleration.
13:28.56jelly-homethemill, no, I've given bad advice :-)
13:28.59areelsi'm still unable to copy files haha
13:29.20liableareels: sure, but when you are copying files you *shouldnt* have access to, it does :P
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13:29.34liableareels: otherwise you could do it without being root
13:29.53debianWhat is your conclusion? Can I easily install it+
13:29.55debian?
13:30.09jelly-homedebian, not easily, sorry
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13:30.21debianI have to compile?
13:30.39ronrareels: if you intend to use linux, learn to rtfm (and the redmond reboot the ****ing machine variant)
13:30.40areelsok now, i need copy command and i must use the terminal to copy files, right?
13:30.42themilldebian: you can try the new intel driver backported to etch. I've not used it myself, but there was a guy in here yesterday who I think got it working. /msg dpkg etchnhalf
13:31.31jelly-homedebian, you have to upgrade a good bit of xorg and mesa to get 3D working.  Compiling would probably be out of your league
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13:32.19junix|workis there an easy way to setup ssh/sftp chroot??
13:32.21areelsliable can you translate this for me? copy c:\dir\dir\*.* c:\dir2\dir2
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13:33.04debianjelly-home: So aptitude upgrade, then install the package?
13:33.08liableareels: cp /path/to/dir/* /path/where/you/want it/
13:33.11areelsthanks
13:33.12themill!tell areels about general cli tutorial
13:33.16debianOr use the newer version?
13:33.36liableareels: you need a -r if you are copying directories
13:33.43liableso cp -r
13:33.47areelsoh, got it
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13:34.55Tapoutwhat does the A mean?
13:34.58debianLenny is testing=
13:35.08debian?
13:35.13azeemyes
13:35.15debianWould lenny do it?
13:35.24debianWould it have new kde? compiz fusion?
13:36.15areelsliable: i've entered the command but terminal didn't tell anything, it should ask to owerwrite shouldn't it?
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13:38.19areelsdamn...
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13:40.28areelswhen i run a process as root then that process does whatever it wants as root?
13:40.41azeemareels: unless it drops root privs itself, yes
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13:41.05areelsazeem then if i run file browser as root then i can do whatever i want on that browser?
13:41.16bbinottohi, when i use the netinstall iso cd, is there a way to choose an other kernel image?
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13:41.30azeemareels: you make it sound like it's a good idea
13:41.39areelsthanks
13:41.40debianLenny would have support for it?
13:41.47debianAnd newest KDE?
13:41.58azeemdebian: KDE4? no.
13:42.14HidemeI've created a bash alias: alias refcheck='awk -F\" '($2 ~ /GET \/ /){ print $4 }' \  /var/log/apache2/access.log | awk -F\/ '{ print $1,$2,$3 }' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr'' but it keeps returning an error: syntax error near unexpected token `('   What am I doing wrong?
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13:43.24areelswooho, i've copied the files finally
13:43.46debianazeem: Why is debian soo slow?
13:43.53debianTo get new programs
13:43.58castdebian: hi, go fuck yourself.
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13:45.12juniorsahi I would like to use a package from testing with my stable install, can anyone point me to info on modifying my sources.list so that apt will keep the testing one up to date?
13:45.18abrotmanbbinotto: such as?
13:45.33abrotman!tell juniorsa about ssb
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13:45.48liableis jim still banned? when will you guys stop banning people that actually help?
13:46.07wolsliable: jim?
13:46.14abrotmanFSVO help
13:46.21liablewols: yes
13:46.25juniorsassb?
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13:46.42abrotmanjuniorsa: the bot(dpkg) should have msged you with some info
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13:50.05juniorsaabrotman: is it preferable to use backports, building from source (dpkg) or use a package from testing?
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13:50.22abrotmanmixing is not recommended
13:50.33azeemjuniorsa: the first, then the second
13:51.09junix|workis there an easy way to setup ssh/sftp chroot??
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13:51.30juniorsaazeem: if I build a package from source, my apt-get update and upgrade stuff won't upgrade it right?
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13:51.44azeemjuniorsa: depends
13:52.07juniorsaazeem: can you please explain?
13:52.13abrotmanjuniorsa: which package are we talking about ?
13:52.22azeemwell, explain what you mean from "build a package from source"
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13:52.28azeemdo you mean as a deb?
13:52.28juniorsaabrotman: freeradius
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13:53.05juniorsaazeem: in the bot it explained on how to use dpkg and then install the deb, but when there are updates what will happen?
13:53.05jelly-homeazeem, freeradius upstream tarballs already have debian/
13:53.27jelly-homeand thus are buildable "from source"
13:53.35azeemjuniorsa: if the updates have a higher version, apt-get upgrade will install them
13:53.48azeemunless you take additional measures, like putting it on hold
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13:54.15juniorsajelly-home: so I should download the tarball and build the debs right? sorry for all these questions that might seem obvious
13:54.26juniorsaazeem: thanks
13:55.04wolsjuniorsa: you should either use a backport if possible or do a simple sid backport yourself. just as the factoid told you
13:55.35jelly-homejuniorsa, you could, but upstream-built packages are slightly different than debian ones.  You can choose to use backports or follow upstream, but stick with one.
13:55.48castslight mis-communication there due to enter abuse. *coughs*
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13:56.43bbinottohi, we have a fresh installed debian here, after boot it stopped an said: kernel panic - not syncing CPU contect corrupt
13:56.46juniorsawols: jelly-home: thanks guys off I go to try and do this, have a good one
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13:57.13bbinottoI reinstalled it with noapci nolapic,  no ot seems to work, but forever? does anybody know?
13:57.15jelly-homeI should have just kept quiet about upstream :-)
13:57.49bbinottoCPU context corrupt
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13:58.52wolsbipolar: FIRST error
13:58.52pallupaola coytvgdy
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13:59.51castbbinotto: plenty of google hits, seems some people have had hw issues cause it
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14:04.23rjentGreetings, would anyone be able to assist me with a dansguardian setup for auth with squid?
14:05.05juniorsaso when I do "apt-get build-dep freeradius" I get "E: Build-Depends dependency for freeradius cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements" any ideas?
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14:11.23dpkg<deb_noob> how do i open syslog? | <deb_noob> with kwrite?
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14:12.29castjuniorsa: because it requires a newer version of debhelper, things could get tricky if yo utry to grab lennys version, since that has further dependancies that aren't in etch
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14:12.41casti had that problem this morning :\
14:13.14juniorsacast: thanks I guess I will get the upstream and go from there
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14:14.08DankerHi
14:14.20stewjuniorsa: you could either figure out what in the source is making it depend on debhelper 6 and change it back to debhelper 5 compatible, or get an older version of freeradius from sdn: /msg dpkg sdn
14:14.31DankerIs it still possible to have a Sarge with maintained updates?
14:14.38liableno
14:14.48juniorsastew: thanks
14:14.49petemcif you paid someone to backport fixes...
14:14.50DankerThat sucks :(
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14:15.09liableDanker: why not upgrade.
14:15.10petemcDanker: maybe you could do the work required
14:15.12DankerOr is there any Sarge repositories left?
14:15.45liableDanker: and dont give us the excuse that you cant shut the box down to upgrade.
14:16.11DankerI want to have xfree86 server :)
14:16.28liablewhy?
14:16.43DankerBecause it uses much less resources than current xorg
14:16.48DankerFor my very old box
14:16.51DankerP1
14:17.03DankerWith 32RAM
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14:17.12shingouza hotplug on a laptop ups eth0 but it does not get an ip from the dhcp while ifup eth0 *does* get the ip and route. what to check?
14:17.18petemcyou could find a better computer at the dump
14:17.27DankerMaybe
14:17.43DankerBut I am geek and I want to tweak that box till the best :)
14:17.49liableDanker: good luck with that.
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14:18.08petemcDanker: no one is stopping you from continuing to use sarge
14:18.19petemci know i have some legacy boxes still running it
14:18.26grand_gruntDanker: why use a X server on such that computer? I'd use it as a server and only with command lines :p
14:18.26liablei am certainly not endorsing it
14:19.09Dankerpetemc: So there is left some repositories for software download?
14:19.27Dankergrand_grunt: Because I want to have GUI :)
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14:19.57DankerThat computer can go well with win95
14:20.00liableDanker: you can still get software for sarge, its not supported by security anymore though
14:20.05DankerI want to make it go well with Linux :)
14:20.17liableDanker: archive.debian.org
14:20.19grand_gruntDanker: geeks are worst than children.. when they want something..
14:20.46pozicMy whole UI is full of little rectangles that should be letters. What can I do about this?
14:20.51themillwonders if anything worked well with win95
14:20.53Dankergrand_grunt: Maybe :). But consider what is Vista now ;)
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14:21.18Dankerliable: Thanks
14:21.31grand_gruntDanker: I agree with your point of view, don't worry. It's something like a game: "How to get a GUI on this.. computer?"
14:21.46DankerYes :)
14:21.51liableDanker: if its not in archive yet, /msg dpkg oldstable
14:21.52pozic(gecko:4429): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Bitstream Vera Serif 14.3984375'
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14:23.10saintisshi all
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14:23.31saintissI've got a http service running on port 9090, but I can only connect to it from localhost, not from a different computer, although there is no firewall
14:23.37saintisswhat could be wrong?
14:23.58lemma_saintiss: the httpd doesn't listen on the right interface
14:24.03saintissI'm suspecting the service is somehow only accepting connections from localhost, as it explicitly mentions localhost.localdomain in lsof -i:9090
14:24.09grand_gruntsaintiss: do you try to connect, specifiying the port? http://IP.AD.RE.SS:port ?
14:24.14saintissgrand_grunt, yes
14:24.29wolssaintiss: netstat -anp |grep 9090
14:24.33wolssaintiss: as root
14:25.08saintisswols, that yields: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:9090 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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14:26.27Dankersaintiss: It listens only on loopback interface
14:26.40DankerCan you show your httpd config?
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14:26.54saintissDanker, it's not apache... it's squeak's KomHttpServer
14:27.08aidehuaHow can I see SCSI SENSE data for an arbitrary channel/target/LUN ?
14:27.12DankerDoesn't matter
14:27.21DankerJust show config for that server
14:27.29DankerThere must be something like
14:27.31Dankerinterfaces
14:27.32Dankeror
14:27.34Dankerbind
14:27.34grand_gruntsaintiss: it must have, somewhere, a httpd conf file
14:28.22saintissic... hmm, it must be tucked away in some squeak class I suspect
14:29.09pozicWhat package is responsible for the broken glyphs/letters on my screen?
14:29.29pozicIt seems to be related to xft.
14:30.07DankerAll letters?
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14:30.16bbinottohi, is there a way to edit menu1.st before booting?
14:30.20pozicDanker: yes
14:30.25Dankerbbinotto: Yes
14:30.25casthit e
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14:30.33bbinottoaah thanks sorry
14:30.34pozicDanker: just not on the terminal.
14:30.47Dankerpozic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:31.01wolsbbinotto: yes. press "e"
14:31.23pozicDanker: by all letters, I mean in all KDE/Gnome applications, except Opera.
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14:31.46stewbbinotto: note that the changes you make there (by hitting e) are transient
14:31.47pozicDanker: Why would that command help?
14:32.00DankerThen your fonts are f**cken up
14:32.19Dankerpozic: Try: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW
14:32.23pozicDanker: I don't think it's the fonts. I think it's the font renderer.
14:32.35bbinottothank you
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14:32.45pozicDanker: no warnings.
14:32.58bbinottostarting with nolapic does disbale network ? is that true?
14:33.03pleedHi, debian sends Stop+a to /dev/ttyS0 on shutdown. How to disable that?
14:33.07DankerStrange....
14:33.13grand_gruntsaintiss: apt-file show squeak ?
14:33.30grand_gruntsaintiss: | grep conf
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14:33.45busconHi, my audio configuration is ok, but iceweasel volume stil very low - how can I fix it ?
14:33.52abrotmanpleed: on sparc?
14:33.58Dankerpozic: Show your xorg.conf
14:34.13pozicDanker: it has nothing to do with xorg.conf.
14:34.26pleedabrotman: no it s on x86 but this machine is connected to a sparc
14:34.26DankerMaybe has
14:34.29saintissgrand_grunt, squeak works image-based... so the full image is one file, and in there are "virtual files"
14:34.47Dankerpozic: You shouldn't discard this possibility
14:34.54pleedabrotman: and that sparc goes to "ok" prompt when shutting down the debian on x86
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14:34.57grand_gruntsaintiss: so bad to conf
14:34.58pozicDanker: unless there are gremlins in my machine, my xorg.conf is fine.
14:35.29saintissgrand_grunt, I'm pretty sure the config is stored in one or another method of one or another class, but...
14:35.31DankerOne is clear: some fonts are displayed and some are not
14:35.43abrotmanpleed: you're using the x86 as a serial terminal to the sparc and when you shut downthe sparc it sends the stop-a to the x86?
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14:36.13pleedabrotman: the other way around. debian is on a x86. when shutting down debian it sends stop+a to the sparc
14:36.20grand_gruntsaintiss: Try to search all over squeak the pattern "9090", the localhost/LAN conf may be near?
14:36.25bk__Have there been any bad updates in apt for mysql? I have had two servers that have messed up mysql after updating. One managaed to dump the user@'localhost' (or change the password) and the other one changed the password for "debian-sys-maint" wihtout editing the config file (or vice verca)?
14:36.29Dankerpozic: Tried reinstalling xfonts-base ?
14:36.53abrotmanthat doesn't make sense
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14:37.39muhahi get the following error : ls: cannot access /dev/fb: No such file or directory
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14:37.51wathekhello all
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14:37.56pozicDanker: Never mind, I will upgrade everything and then see whether the problem goes away.
14:37.57wathekwhich pacage contains the lspci command ?
14:38.03muhahis there a package to install the framebuffer ?
14:38.11pozicwathek: apt-file search lspci
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14:38.18wathekpozic, ah ok thanx a lot
14:38.25stewbk__: /msg dpkg bts
14:38.27pozic!thanx
14:38.27dpkgmy pleasure, pozic
14:38.42saintissgrand_grunt, I am indeed looking for a pattern searching mechanism...
14:38.42gnuanucan i give an iso image as debian repository entry
14:38.46gnuanui am using apt
14:38.58Bushmillspleed, that "ok" sounds like openboot
14:39.03stewgnuanu: yes, by adding it to fstab and using apt-cdrom
14:39.03pleedBushmills: yes
14:39.15Bushmills"go" should exit that. if it can.
14:39.26bk__stew: im usure what i shoudl search for.
14:39.31gnuanustew: please explain a little
14:40.00pleedBushmills: well i would prefer that debian doesnt send the command when shutting down then i dont need to do anything manual
14:40.16stewgnuanu: which part?
14:40.19muhahframebuffer ?
14:40.33gnuanustew: adding iso in fstab
14:41.07stewgnuanu: use the path to the iso where you would normally have a device name and put 'loop' in the options column
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14:41.51pleedabrotman: well i have an x86 with debian and a sparc machine, they re connected via serial. when shutting down debian (x86) i cant reach the sparc on the net anymore, when i looked that happend via serial line i saw that the sparc went to openboot. that happens if a special key kommand is sent to the sparc, so i assume that debian sends a key command to my sparc. i want debian to stop that.
14:42.49Bushmillspleed: do all shutdown methods to that? shutdown, /etc/init.d/halt / reboot ?
14:43.01jelly-homepleed, it's just not a special key command, but also a serial BREAK signal
14:43.01gnuanustew: say, my file is at /home/gnuanu/deb.iso then what will be fstab entry for adding this
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14:43.41jelly-homepleed, ... and a disconnection of serial line can be interpreted as break sometimes
14:44.04pleedBushmills: now sure. hoped that someone of you would know what does that
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14:44.27lemmahi! I'm trying to get a deb package I build myself into a livecd using lh_build. Unfortunately I get an error about dpkg not being able to authenticate the package. Is there a way to use --force-yes in lh_build?
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14:44.44antgeli have a latex document. is the best way to get it into word (boo!) via latex2rtf?  the conversion by latex2rtf was somewhat underwhelming.
14:44.54AbsintheSyringewas anyone able to install vmware workstation on debian testing (2.6.24-1) ?
14:45.00gnuanustew: say, my file is at /home/gnuanu/deb.iso then what will be fstab entry for adding this
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14:45.06pleedjelly-home: yes i assume it s a BREAK signal. so there must be a possibility to shutdown the machine connected to the sparc without being afraid that the sparc leaves to openboot
14:45.17jelly-homepleed, either connect the sparc to a terminal server that is always on, or disable break-handling in openprom.  I don't remember how that is done at this time
14:45.21grand_gruntgnuanu: look at your /etc/fstab. first, the device. second, the mount point, third, options.
14:45.47pleedjelly-home: okay and when i disable break handling, how can i get do openboot via serial line?
14:45.56Bushmillspleed: don't know about your sparc box, but i reckon it can be set to ignore some events causing its open boot to pop up.
14:45.57grand_gruntgnuanu:  /home/gnuanu/deb.iso        /where_you_want       loop
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14:46.24Bushmillsand i guess, it is triggered by serial port shutdown, when x86 goes down
14:46.25gnuanugrand_grunt: thank you very much
14:46.30pleedBushmills: well but i need the BREAK signal to go to openboot when I need to go there.
14:46.57lemmanever mind, I found the option in config/common :)
14:47.02grand_gruntgnuanu: maybe there's a iso9660 option, or auto.
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14:47.21grand_gruntgnuanu: seek for "mount iso fstab" in google.
14:47.41bk__Have there been any bad updates in apt for mysql? I have had two servers that have messed up mysql after updating. One managaed to dump the user@'localhost' (or change the password) and the other one changed the password for "debian-sys-maint" wihtout editing the config file (or vice verca)?
14:47.52stewbk__: did you check the bts?
14:48.26pleedWell i m wondering because i never had any problems before, just since some days
14:48.38bk__stew: yes. I found hit hard to search for such a "complax" bug (complex to put in a few search strings). Otherwise i wouldnt have btohrered coming here ;)
14:48.59jelly-homepleed, [back to ok without break] only by shutting down the OS, I think
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14:49.32checkerswhen defining a secondary ip on a virtual interface (eg eth0:1), do I need to specify all of address/netmask/network/broadcast/gateway, or can I inherit them from the real interface (eth0)?
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14:49.45bk__stew: and nothing in bugs.debian.org/mysql-server
14:49.55pleedjelly-home: okay so what can i do to disable that?
14:49.59stewbk__: mysql-server-5.0 is the package you should be looking at
14:50.37bk__stew: ah. nothing there either, though.
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14:50.46stewbk__: there's your answer
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14:51.25bk__stew: i am veru much sure its not a bug with mysql-server itself, more of a bug/failure with apt-get udpating it.
14:51.40dondelelcarobk__: probably, but it could be your setup-specific.
14:51.45liabletheres svn-git
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14:51.51muhahhow do i install /dev/fb
14:51.58dondelelcarobk__: please try to replicate it and file a bug if you can
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14:52.20bk__i will fail a bug report if this happens again,
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14:52.39bk__im kinda stressed since it could be a sign of those servers being compromised.
14:53.26grand_gruntmuhah: /dev contains devices. You cann't "install" them if they are not there
14:53.30bk__One started acting weird after the openssl thing, so im user it is/was compromised (didnt do anytign about it due to a upgrade involing it and the scrap yard very soon)
14:53.41jelly-homepleed, like I said, I don't remember how to disable it
14:53.54muhahso how do i get a framebuffer device on my linux box
14:54.26jelly-homepleed, try a sparc related channel
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15:00.59liableno, its still working fine
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15:01.05liableoops
15:01.11clamiaxI'm trying to burd an audio CD with wodim but, after converted the MP3 to WAV using several tools (sox, mplayer, mpg321, ...) i got the following error: http://rafb.net/p/3p2JMV90.html
15:01.30clamiaxDoes anyone never had such problem? Any idea on how to solve it?
15:01.40clamiaxI tried to google a bit but without interesting results.
15:02.14jelly-homeused cdrdao to burn audio
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15:03.04clamiaxi'm enjoy for you :p
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15:04.24pozicI did aptitude dist-upgrade, but I still have rectangles instead of letters.
15:05.01bbinottohi, if I boot with nolapic i have no network, if I boot without nolapic: kernel panic - cpu context corrupt. Please help;)
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15:06.56liedhi
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15:08.19liedi'm moving a root server to a new server. which files should I have a look at regarding the IP configuration? i already changed etc/network/interfaces
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15:08.57sineeroy! Where can I find an etch boot cd to install etch on my P35 ich9 AHCI rig... I need 2.6.23 with ich9 ahci drivers with cdebootstrap...
15:09.41jelly-homelied, /etc/hosts as well
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15:10.41liedjelly-home, hm ok already done. sorry forgot to say that...
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15:11.30reto_OT question, i'm working on a bachleor thesis (in english, not my native language)
15:11.52liedjelly-home, any other files which should be changed? the MAC adress in udevrules also changed to new one
15:12.06reto_and I'm wondering if it is okay to write the short form of stuff like "is not" => "isn't"
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15:12.30reto_I know that the long form is considered 'formal', but I'm not sure if they are necessarry for a something like a thesis
15:13.20jelly-homelied, to be honest, I haven't understood your original question
15:13.36jelly-homelied, "moving a root server to a new server" ... what's a "root server"?
15:13.40dondelelcaroreto_: contractions are allowed even in theses, but it depends on your advisor.
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15:14.31liedjelly-home, hm ok I'm from Germany. we are calling a dedicated server which stands at a ISP rootserver :)
15:14.55reto_dondelelcaro: whats more common?
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15:15.13bk__jelly-home: ive only heard the term root server when reffering to the root dns servers
15:15.14reto_and a root server is a server which you have full rights on :)
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15:15.21liedreto_, right
15:15.24reto_yap, root server is german slang
15:15.26jelly-hometoo
15:15.42bk__http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_nameserver
15:15.53jelly-homereto_, I have full right on all of my servers!
15:16.11reto_it's usually a rented server in datacenter
15:16.20liedjelly-home, hm not if you have a virtual server. so you have not the full control over the hardware
15:16.21Bushmillsdedicated servers are here and there called root servers.
15:16.22reto_which you have full rights on (usually not physical access though)
15:16.27Bushmillsmeaning "not a virtual server"
15:16.32reto_jelly-home: you don't own a root server usually
15:16.40liedis confused now...
15:16.56reto_its funny how common the term is in the german speaking it world :)
15:16.59jelly-homereto_, no, I don't own any of a, b,c ... p.root-servers.net
15:17.13reto_(and how uncommon somwhere else)
15:17.21reto_jelly-home: it's just a stupid term
15:17.22jelly-homereto_, right... keep it to yourselves  :-)
15:17.41liedjelly-home, how do you call a "rootserver" (not a dns-root) :)?
15:17.41reto_jelly-home: just trying to help :)
15:17.58jelly-homelied, a physical machine
15:18.52liedjelly-home, don't have a word for a rented server with normaly 100mbit/s networkconnection and only remoteaccess?
15:19.04dondelelcaroreto_: I personally don't use them unless they fit the flow of the sentence; it's a stylistic thing.
15:19.14reto_dondelelcaro: okay
15:19.16dondelelcaroreto_: not using them will never be wrong, but sometimes makes a sentence awkward.
15:19.17jelly-homelied, nope
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15:19.43petemclied: colo machine
15:19.51liedpetemc, ok
15:19.55dondelelcaroreto_: but then again, I'm a native speaker, and I'm conformatble with telling style guides to shove it.
15:20.21wm4why the fuck is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256359 complete ignored?
15:20.23grand_gruntlied: in France, a "dedicated" server
15:20.49liedgrand_grunt, ok, btw my server is located in France (ovh.net)
15:20.51grand_gruntlied: Mhh not
15:20.53wm4that bugs renders the package classpath-tools completely unuseable
15:20.53grand_gruntdevoted
15:20.59grand_gruntlied: "devoted server"
15:21.03jelly-homewm4, ping it.
15:21.04dondelelcarowm4: because you haven't fixed it?
15:21.07petemcdedicated sounds right
15:21.30grand_gruntpetemc: The exact word is "dédié"
15:21.37petemcmais oui
15:21.40grand_gruntMhh.. maybe dedicated
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15:21.50jelly-homeuses "colocation" in colloquial usage
15:21.55grand_gruntpetemc: sssht, speak english ^^
15:21.59enoufer. .. should my /root/.bashrc have a umask 022 line ?
15:22.03liedok my question again: I'm moving a dedicated server to a new server. i already changed /etc/networks /etc/hosts and the mac adress in udev.rules
15:22.14liedwhich files should I have a look at?
15:22.40wm4apt-get purge classpath-tools
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15:23.01liedenouf, if you like
15:24.07enoufhrm
15:24.33jelly-homelied, is the hostname going to stay the same?
15:24.54liedjelly-home, no, but is this important for booting?
15:25.19jelly-homelied, probably not.  /msg dpkg hostname
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15:27.38pozicCan someone explain why I got a Xen enabled kernel on upgrade?
15:28.11pozicAdditionally, nvidia claims the driver doesn't work on Xen.
15:28.28extorI am trying to install Embed/Persistent.pm in a debian system without CPAN installed so that I can run fastcgi---what is the best way for me to do that without breaking the perl on my system?
15:28.38jelly-homepozic, nvidia has to fix their drivers
15:28.58stewextor: /msg dpkg dh-make-perl
15:29.01pozicjelly-home: so there is no Xen disabled build?
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15:29.32jelly-homepozic, of .25? not that I know of
15:29.36pozicjelly-home: I have a perfectly working fine OpenGL implementation, but that too is considered legacy by nVidia.
15:29.53extorstew any other options? Cuz the peeps in #perl think that will break my Exec-utils
15:30.00pozicjelly-home: and none of the OSS drivers give the same features.
15:30.27jelly-homepozic, #481485
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15:31.06pozicjelly-home: do you have any idea on my font system problem? (I only later discovered that the OpenGL sub-system was broken.)
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15:31.51jelly-homepozic, I haven't seen that question (and I don't have much experience with fonts... they work here)
15:32.01stewextor: what is exec utils and how would it be broken?
15:32.19pozicWhat's the name of the console mouse program?
15:32.31stewextor: if debian shipped a Embed/Persistent.pm in a debian package, would installing that package break Exec-utils?
15:32.36stewpozic: gpm
15:32.42jelly-homepozic, (in case you don't know what to do with that number http://bugs.debian.org/481485)
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15:33.06pozicjelly-home: I understood, I just need to get some basic console functionality first.
15:33.11extorstew no it would not, but debian does not ship an Embed/Persistent.pm in a debian package.
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15:33.44godlygeekif i have two repos that provide the same package, is there any way to tell apt to never suggest an update from one of them?
15:33.45stewextor: what would be the difference between installing a package of Embed/Persistent.pm from debian and installing a package created by dh-make-perl?
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15:34.12stewgodlygeek: remove the repo you don't want to use from /etc/apt/sources.list
15:34.23pozicjelly-home: how do you know that number? Do you read some mailing-list or do you have some smart search system or did you just do a query for me on some search engine?
15:34.29extorstew no clue, let me try it
15:34.47godlygeekstew: apart from that?  the one i don't want to use is the official deb one, it's only one package from it i don't want.
15:35.13jelly-homepozic, another user reported the 2.6.25 vs. nvidia issue the other day
15:35.34pozicjelly-home: in this channel?
15:35.36stewgodlygeek: so its a pacakge that you never want to have updated?
15:35.41stewgodlygeek: /msg pdkg hold
15:35.46jelly-homepozic, right
15:36.04pozicjelly-home: thanks
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15:36.19godlygeeki want updates from the unofficial repos, but not from the official repos, for one particular package.
15:36.21jelly-homepozic, but you can find it with, say, http://bugs.debian.org/nvidia-graphics-drivers
15:36.39stewgodlygeek: man apt_preferences
15:36.57godlygeekthanks.
15:37.06stewgodlygeek: if the unofficial repo is correctly setup, you could do this with either origin or release
15:37.41godlygeeki'll be back if i can't follow the man page.  ^_^  thanks for the help.
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15:37.57stewgodlygeek: a godly geek such as yourself should be able to follow it
15:38.02extorIf I want to turn a CPAN package into a .deb using dh-make-perl, do I download a CPAN tarball? I'm sorry but I have never used CPAN before. How do I grab the CPAN modules, and from where?
15:38.14stewextor: dh-map-perl will download it for you
15:38.18stew^map^make
15:38.28jelly-homeextor, dh-make-perl --build --cpan Some::Module
15:38.36godlygeekstew: the name was more of a self-deprecating joke when i picked it up, before i could program in any language but BASIC..
15:39.12extordh-map-perl does not seem to exist in my path
15:39.48stewextor: typo, i meant dh-make-perl
15:40.13stewand corrected it using obscure bash syntax
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15:40.33jelly-homestew, had you used s///, would extor have gotten it?
15:40.44pozicHow can I reinstall all packages?
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15:40.57godlygeek!!:s/map/make   is almost as obscure...  hehe
15:40.58dpkgokay, godlygeek
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15:41.01stewjelly-home: omg that is so much to type in comparisn, though
15:41.12stew^sn^son
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15:41.41stewdpkg: forget !:s/map/make
15:41.41dpkgstew: i forgot !:s/map/make
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15:42.34kombito send all traffic for host 321.321.321.321 through gateway 123.123.123.123: "route add -host 321.321.321.321 gw 123.123.123.123" right?
15:42.56liedthis is not a valid ip adress :P
15:43.17kombilied: just using placeholders
15:43.37jelly-homekombi, right.  however, 123.123.123.123 has to be on a local network segment
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15:44.31kombijelly-home: understood, again, just placeholders. Could one use host names in place of IPs also?
15:44.44jelly-homeif they're resolvable, sure
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15:46.31diabel-Hi
15:47.04diabel-Has debian got packet named 'ncursers'?
15:47.06kombithanks jelly-home!
15:47.18kombidiabel-> ncureses
15:47.24kombisorry ncurses
15:47.41jelly-homediabel-, why do you ask?
15:48.07simonrvnnothing to do with "cursers" (whatTFever they are)
15:48.45jelly-homesimonrvn, cursing professionals
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15:49.40simonrvnjelly-home: me in a bad mood?
15:49.52jelly-homesimonrvn, inconceivable!
15:50.03simonrvnheheh
15:50.07godlygeekperfect, got it pinned.  thanks stew.
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15:51.03epoxyweird... i installed backuppc, then removed it, then installed it again and it wont install now.  http://pastebin.com/m11c2e96
15:51.19diabel-bacause I want to install it, I tried to do apt-get install ncursers i searched at packages.debian.org but I don't found anything abou ncursers
15:51.58pumpkin0epoxy: did you remove and purge or only remove ?
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15:52.15simonrvndiabel-: because it isn't called that
15:52.33nstrike_lallibncurses isnt it?
15:52.53stewdiabel-: what exactly are you planning to do with it once it is installed?  or are you trying to compile something?  or what?
15:53.25epoxyneed to purge...reading up on the syntax
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15:55.00stewepoxy: you probably need to recreate the missing config file: /msg dpkg confmiss
15:55.26diabel-stew: ouch, I forgot :(.. yeah It must be named libncurses
15:55.33extormake: *** [install-stamp] Error 2
15:55.33jelly-homenstrike_lal, libncurses5(-dev), but guessing what the user wants to do can backfire
15:55.34extormake: Leaving directory `/var/www/ExtUtils-Embed-1.14'
15:55.34extorCannot create deb package
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15:59.42stewextor: show us the entire output (at least from a few lines before the first error) ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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16:01.16dFenceyelloo!! when i run modprobe ip_conntrack dmesg dumps the following error-message: http://pastebin.com/d82abdcc
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16:01.36dFenceis that a bug in nf_conntrack or did i miss to compile something?
16:01.53extorhttp://pastebin.com/d57fbf48b
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16:04.19jelly-homeextor, is build-essential installed?
16:04.19stewextor: try "aptitude install build-essential" and try again
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16:04.37_moro_bana_i have my debian connected to the  internet, i wanna share the connection with another computer running suse, please help?
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16:05.08extorgood grief, I wonder why it didn't ask me to install build-essential itself. What exactly is in this package?
16:05.08stew_moro_bana_: have a look at the ipmasq package
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16:05.15dFence_moro_bana_: tldp.org -> routing howto or home-network
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16:05.52jelly-homeextor, things useful for compiling C code
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16:06.17stewbuild-essential could maybe be a Suggests: for dh-make-perl, its never going to be an actual dependency though
16:06.22jelly-homeextor, you wouldn't need it if you were building a pure perl module package
16:07.15sandmanIs the WPC11 v4 wireless networking PCMCIA card supported in Debian Etch?
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16:08.03stewsandman: what chipset is it?
16:09.02epoxyhow can i get experimental/unstable packages in sources.list ?  cant figure out the syntax
16:09.28Bushmillsepoxy: running sid would require you to figure out a lot more
16:09.30stewepoxy: you don't want them.  what are you trying to do?
16:09.37epoxyin etch, btw
16:09.42epoxyplay :)
16:09.43rahulepoxy: if you can't figure that out, how are you going to be able to fix the systemwide breakage you're going to create?
16:09.47stewepoxy: you definately don't want to mix etch and unstable
16:09.53rahulepoxy: play in the playground first, then on the street
16:10.11stewepoxy: if you want newer packages in etch, use backports instead: /msg dpkg backports
16:10.53sandmanstew: Realtek 8180L
16:11.40stewsandman: /msg dpkg rtl8180
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16:13.26g00seTo what extent, on installation, is the kernel 'customised' for the box on which it's installed?
16:13.46stewg00se: it gets a custom initrd
16:14.17sandmanstew: Okay. So it has been included in mainline linux since 2.6.23. Now I just need to find an installer that includes this =)
16:14.29stewg00se: which isn't really kernel customization at all, but customizing which kernel modules are available during the initial boot stages
16:14.38stewsandman: /msg dpkg kmuto
16:15.32g00sestew: Ah OK. So in terms of drivers, say, the necessary drivers are installed and others left out, but the kernel itself is a kind of generic monolith?
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16:16.54stewg00se: all the drivers are installed, as modules (not directly into the kernel).  its not a genericly monolithic so much as modularly versitile, maybe
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16:18.20LimCoreare there any steps taken to prevent other epic disasters in the future about security?
16:18.23g00sestew: OK. That wasn't meant to be disparaging ;-) So if i upgrade my kernel with dist-upgrade i don't lose anything? What are the implications? Any?
16:18.36LimCorei.e. bsd have security teams doing constant code reviews afair... anything in debian?
16:19.03Bushmillsdepends on what you call "not monolithic" - many would say that, regardless of modules, linux is monolithic
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16:20.02stewg00se: nah, i didn't take it that way :)  there can always be problems upgrading your kernel, which is why you should NEVER remove a running kernel until you are sure the new one works
16:20.34jelly-homeLimCore, http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/283030/196b294a950162a3/
16:20.47g00sestew: so get the new one and test it first?
16:22.15stewg00se: yeah. just be careful in that dist-upgrade would sometimes decide to remove packages.  make sure that none of those packages it is removing are your running kernel.  if it were doing that it would give you big warnings, btw, just know that you should definately be saying "no don't do that"
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16:22.26orogorhi here
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16:23.45RamattackHi!!
16:24.12Ramattackdoes anyone know if bind9 keys should be regenerated because of the openssl bug?
16:24.54g00sestew: actually i think it's a bit academic. dist-upgrade is only offering to go from 2.6.18-4-686 to 2.6.18-6-686 ;-)
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16:25.17BushmillsRamattack: yes, generate new keys
16:25.23g00sestew: I'm looking to go >= 2.6.25
16:25.41RamattackBushmills, is it reported too to regenerate keys for bind9?
16:26.08BushmillsRamattack: yes. you could have read it in the debian sec advisory
16:26.14fluxdudeis there a way to get the exact ram spec from linux without physically inspecting the ram sticks, stuff like stick size and MHz speed etc?
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16:26.36Specfluxdude: cat /proc/meminfo has a bit of information
16:26.41Ramattackhttp://www.debian.org/security/key-rollover/ here doesn't say nothing about bind
16:26.42stewBushmills: which advisory?
16:26.43Specnot sure if that's soft-info or hard-info
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16:26.47BushmillsRamattack: "Apache web server, the SSH login service, the OpenVPN service, the Bind name server, S/MIME e-mail encryption and the trustworthiness of digital signatures."
16:27.04Ramattackwhere do you see that?
16:27.45grand_gruntBushmills: OpenSSL used in Apache? For HTTPS?
16:27.50roxazer_how to set utf8 in debian?
16:28.01Bushmillsstew, debian security advisory
16:28.25stewBushmills: yeah, there have been thousands of them.  the openssl one doesn't mention bind
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16:28.39stewRamattack: if you used rndc-confgen you don't need to regenerate them
16:28.47stewRamattack: i'm looking at the code, it doesn't rely on openssl
16:29.08RamattackI haven't used nothing
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16:29.15Ramattackjust apt-get install bind9
16:29.19Ramattackand there configured my slave zones
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16:29.29grand_gruntRamattack: You worry me.. i've generated new keys for SSH, but have Apache. Is there some lack of security?
16:29.33stewRamattack: then the rndc.key would have been generated by rndc-confgen, and it is fine
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16:29.41Ramattackbut they don't use any crypto security as far as I know
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16:30.01palluhello all of you
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16:30.20palluhow can i install wifi-tools
16:30.23themillstew: dsa1571 mentions DNSSEC and the wiki mentions rndc keys for bind. That's perhaps what Bushmills means.
16:30.27``y7can debian run debian 4.0 and act as a router/firewall at the same time? or do i need to run a firewall/router on one machine and debian 4.0 on the other?
16:30.35RamattackI'm worried because perhaps with the openssl vulnerability and the rndc.key vulnerable perhaps someone could update something or so... without permission by predicting my rndc.key or so...
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16:30.45Ramattackbut I think 953 port only listens in localhost...
16:30.47themillrealises that he's well behind the discussion so wanders off again
16:31.05stewi must be blind
16:31.07Ramattackgrand_grunt, I think you should regenerate them too if openssl version you have is buggy
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16:31.33Ramattackwhy stew?
16:31.51grand_gruntRamattack: I've regenerated (after openssl upgrade). But can't figure how my apache could use encryption
16:31.59jelly-home``y7, depends on what your router is supposed to do.  I have a single machine doing NAT, firewalling the LAN and serving mail+web
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16:32.15stewoh i do see dnssec
16:32.16Ramattackgrand_grunt, update apache2 too although I don't think is needed
16:32.16duryhi there channel :)
16:32.29stewi still don't see why one would need to regenerate a rndc.key
16:32.32cubuanichello all
16:32.40Bushmillsdnssec, indeed
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16:32.55stewwhich isn't what he's asking about
16:32.58``y7i need my router to give me 5 internal ips and to provide a firewall service. then on my debian machine, i want to run an e-mail server, web server, ftp server
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16:33.39Bushmillshere is what bind says about its use of openssl: http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/view/?release=9.5.0a6
16:33.52jelly-home``y7, yeah, you can set that up with no issues
16:34.22``y7jelly-home, where can i read up in order to get started?
16:34.40duryI've got a box that the bios can't setup to boot from cd-rom it's IBM netvista 6269 it has a cd-rom drive... could you drive which images to download and install debian, please
16:34.56jelly-home``y7, no idea.  I'd start at www.debian-administration.org
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16:35.12Ramattackstew, sorry what are talking that you don't understand?
16:35.18stewBushmills: is that your way of saying that bind doesn't say anything about openssl?
16:35.26cubuanici have question about install - how i can create my own ftp from official dvd set of 3 disks? i mean ftp server that will be accepted as on of standart mirrors, and will be possible use it for install
16:35.30GhostlyDeath|Lptdury: If it has a floppy drive, you could download one of those boot disks that can load from the CD
16:35.41RamattackBushmills, where did you see that bind9 should be updated too?
16:35.50stewRamattack: i understand that you don't need to regenerate your rndc.key
16:35.57Bushmillsbut indeed, no mention of bind security advisory.   stew, a bit down, it says that openssl is used for dnssec
16:35.57palluhow can i install wifi-tools
16:36.04cubuanicfor now, process stops on trying to get Releases.gpg, which is not present on dvd
16:36.21Ramattackbut dnssec has nothing to do with rndc.key
16:36.32palluhow can i disable gmd from startign up at start up?
16:36.40Bushmillsand bind being affected by weak openssl is what i thought of got form advisory, but must be a different source
16:36.41stewwget -O- "http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/view/?release=9.5.0a6" 2>/dev/null | grep -iq ssl || echo "this page doesn't mention ssl"
16:37.45duryGhostlyDeath|Lpt: it has floppy drive.... which boots disk images and what iso cd-rom to burn
16:37.49stewRamattack: correct
16:38.05BushmillsRamattack: just searching original doc again - i have scap booked relevant passages, got them locally.
16:38.32BushmillsRamattack: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html seems to be this one, passages match.
16:39.17themillstew: that page is a frameset.... nice scripting though :)
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16:39.30dmndim on amd64, now i want to create a own package (change some compiler options on a package). what do i need to put in debian/rules to make it work on the amd64 arch?
16:39.36duryGhostlyDeath|Lpt: it has to be a suitable cd-rom images to match with the boot or...... how is it could you drive me please
16:39.53stewthemill: i still don't see ssl anywhere on that page
16:39.56GhostlyDeath|Lptdury: I had a PC that couldn't boot from CD-ROMs
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16:40.14GhostlyDeath|Lptdury: On one of the ISO Images there should be a floppy disk image
16:40.44themillstew: "For the server to support DNSSEC, you need to build it with crypto support. You must have OpenSSL ..."
16:40.51GhostlyDeath|Lptdury: when that image is copied to a floppy disk (there are Windows EXEs there also if needed) and inserted into the floppy drive it will allow you to boot the debian cds
16:40.57stewthemill: where is a url where you see that?
16:41.06themillstew: the one you pasted
16:41.17stewthemill: uhh
16:41.18stewno
16:41.19Bushmillswas me pasting it, the isc one
16:41.29themillstew: in your wget line
16:41.31duryGhostlyDeath|Lpt: I see, catch it
16:41.37stewthemill: yes, that url dones't contain this text
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16:41.48dFencei don't get it... i can do nslookups behind my router-box but i can't ping
16:41.53roxazerhow to set utf8 in debian?
16:41.56themillstew: that URL is a frameset... the contained frame contains the text
16:42.04stewno
16:42.10themilldoes here....
16:42.19jelly-homedFence, nslookups and ping use different protocols
16:42.41roxazerhow to set utf8 in debian?
16:42.56Ramattackbye mates!!!
16:42.56dFencejelly-home: i think i set up masquerading properly..
16:43.00Ramattackshould go fastly now
16:43.01stewwww.isc.org has address 204.152.184.88
16:43.04Ramattacksee u!!!!
16:43.13Ramattackthanks a lot!!!!!!
16:43.30themillstew: ack
16:43.56jelly-homedFence, can you ping from the router itself?
16:44.02Bushmillsthemill: graphical representation of that text from that page:  http://forthfreak.net/snap/1211474599730317764.png
16:44.11dFencejelly-home: yep
16:44.20themillBushmills: yep, that's what I see
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16:46.01Bushmillsthis is the other: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1211474741240334363.png
16:46.03themillstew: wget -O- http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/view/?release=9.5.0a6 2>/dev/null |grep -iq ssl && echo "This page does contain 'ssl'"
16:46.14steww3m -dump "http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/view/?release=9.5.0a6" -> http://paste.debian.net/3803/
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16:46.31duryGhostlyDeath|Lpt: for instance I'm downloading debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso when I burn that iso in the cd it has to have a image to put it in a floppy to boot the cd. is that right
16:46.40g0tohello there from Madrid!
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16:47.04themillstew: it's a crappy javascript redirection page that does all sorts of stupid stuff including trying to shove you into a frameset. It's ugly.
16:47.18GhostlyDeath|Lptdury: yeah
16:47.20g0toI have a problem installing Lenny on a VM
16:47.28stewoh cripes
16:47.31stewyeah, javascript
16:47.36GhostlyDeath|Lptdury: they should still include the image
16:47.43android6011if i use the netinstall cd is it possible to install grub to an sd card so that i only have the option of booting debian when it is inserted?
16:47.46themillstew: any page that is full of things like this is best avoided: xyzzy = yzzyx.replace(/http/g, "")
16:47.57duryGhostlyDeath|Lpt: I suppose so, anyway
16:48.02g0toI'm trying to enter the boot option "linux all-generic-ide irqpoll" to solve a disk issue but the boot command is not recognized
16:48.16stewseriously?  who decided that this page should require client side scripting?
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16:49.00g0toanyone knows how would be the sintax to enter the all-generic-ide boot parameter?
16:49.03stewjust for this i'm switching to djbdns
16:49.06stewhah
16:49.14jelly-homeis already there
16:49.20themillstew: isn't it ugly. There are blocks of javascript that set up a frameset with a noscript block defining a different frameset. and then there's also a body block too.
16:49.38nmHi *, when I found some definition in kernel's source look like 1U, 2U,..7U ? hmm, what is this ?
16:49.41themillstew: hmmm... which is worse though djb or that?
16:49.55jelly-homenm, ##kernel?
16:49.58stewdjb
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16:50.46nmjelly-home, sorry when ask here, but in #kernel no one answer
16:51.07themillstew: just for shits and giggles: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isc.org%2Findex.pl%3F%2Fsw%2Fbind%2Fview%2F%3Frelease%3D9.5.0a6&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
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16:51.27jelly-homenm, are you just asking about C syntax, ie. what does U mean?
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16:52.03Crippswhat would be the best place to ask libc questions?
16:52.07stewhopefully they will just give up and switch their website to flash, like the rest of the internetz
16:52.16jelly-homenm, an unsigned integer constant
16:52.45stewCripps: /msg chanserv list *libc*
16:52.58Crippsstew thanks
16:52.59themillstew: they're probably only one step away from doing exactly that...
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16:53.57bitweilerhey how to do you get sound from web videos like youtube?
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16:54.56Bushmillsbitweiler: it is send, along with the video, over the net
16:54.56Bushmillssent
16:54.56jelly-homewhaddayaknow, there really is a #glibc
16:54.56nmjelly-home, oh really ?, here is the first time I see a declaration begin with a number,
16:54.58rahulbitweiler: mplayer can play audio to a file
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16:55.33jelly-homenm, you didn't provide any context
16:56.29stewnm: its not a declaration, its an unsigned integer literal
16:56.30jelly-homenm, this is better asked in a channel for C
16:56.36Bushmillscapitals and numbers only? possibly preprocessor translated
16:56.37bitweilerrahul: what?
16:56.47rahulbitweiler: that
16:56.51stewnm: the U just marks it as an unsigned int instead of an int
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16:57.08rahulbitweiler: oh, youtube-dl will download the video to a file
16:57.23stewbitweiler: does sound work in other applications?
16:57.23rahulyou need to know where the flash applet will look for the video file
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16:57.49bitweileroh, how do I find that out
16:58.09sineeranyone knows a live (or netinst) Debian CD I could boot that supports P35 ICH9 SATA raid ? I know 2.6.23 kernel has the right driver available for ahci support... I'm looking for a way to install debian on my triple boot box without switching AHCI in bios...
16:58.12rahulbitweiler: wait... is your question what stew is thinking or what I am thinking?
16:58.20Crippsstew, yep ... there's a #glibc, and I'm in it. Thanks for the freenode tip :)
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16:58.45dFencei'm setting up a router in a test-environ here, setup right now is DSLrouter(external) -> xerxis(soon-to-be-router, runs dns/dhcp) -> WLANAP(access point) - in the future, xerxis will connected via PPPoE - is it important for routing what comes before xerxis? (another router or dsl-modem?)
16:58.57bitweilerstew: i haven't tested it with anything but you tube
16:59.06stewbitweiler: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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17:01.05g00seIs there any way to 'debianise' building from source where that source is unavailable in packages?
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17:01.40valdynsineer: you need to switch to ahci
17:01.51sineervaldyn: I am in ahci...
17:01.55gigohow to change default browser from epiphany to iceweasel
17:01.58sineervaldyn: etch cd won't see my hds.
17:02.14valdyn!etch 2.6.24
17:02.15sineergigabyte DS3-R mobo
17:02.16valdyn!etch 2.6.23
17:02.17dpkgFor etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
17:02.23sineerthanks!
17:02.27valdynsineer: use an installer from there ^^^
17:02.41sineerexcellent.. this is what I was googling for (awhile!) :)
17:02.53valdyn!etchnhalf
17:02.53dpkgwell, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
17:03.01bitweilerstew: i don't have alsaconf installed
17:03.11nmjelly-home, stew oh I see,
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17:03.20valdynsineer: or you could try etchnhalf already, since its going to be released sooner or later thats probably not such a bad choice
17:03.21nmthank guys
17:03.22bitweiler!alsaconf
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17:04.03sineervaldyn: cool! I'll try that instead... I like my linux bleeding edge :)
17:04.22jelly-homemaking the installer for etchnhalf boot 2.6.24 would be nice too.
17:04.36valdynoh, it does not boot right now?
17:04.39valdynsineer: ^^^
17:04.50sineeroh :(
17:04.52bitweilerstew: dpkg told me to run alsaconf as root but he doesn't no about alsaconf
17:05.04valdyn!installit
17:05.04dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
17:05.05g0towhy "linux command" is not running like a boot command on a lenny installation?
17:05.24valdyng0to: what the hell is "linux command" supposed to do ?
17:06.06g0tovaldyn: "linux all-generic-ide irqpoll", sidk driver issue
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17:06.36g0tovaldyn: disk driver issue, i mean
17:06.55prockwhat is the ati / fglrx one-liner
17:07.25bitweilervaldyn: alsaconf is not apt-get install alsaconf  package is not found
17:07.36valdyn!tell bitweiler -about search
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17:07.51bitweiler?
17:07.52g00segigo: man  update-alternatives
17:08.04ma3xhow do you find out the file location out of the following url? http://www.gamershell.com/downloads/start.html?id=25786&mirror=8&cat=demo&filename=LEGOIndyDemoSetup.zip&ts=1211476004&auth=6a6848556e6b2f68717835536b
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17:09.00dondelelcaroma3x: huh?
17:09.17valdynma3x: not at all
17:09.41ma3xwhat happens when you click on the link?
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17:10.59orogoranyone would happen to know if having the nx flag in the cpu is enought to have the protection against buffer overlows or if i need a kernel option for that ?
17:11.32bitweilervaldyn: that searching doesn't help I get i whole listing of packages including gnome and kde ones for alsa
17:12.01mortal1Hello all, if I wanted to execute a command on multiple servers via ssh, what would be the best way to go about it?
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17:13.08stewmortal1: have a look at dsh or clusterssh
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17:15.17g0tonoone knows how to boot a lenny installation with boot commands?
17:16.03jelly-homeg0to, "boot commands"
17:16.04jelly-home?
17:16.19liedg0to, do you mean grub commands?
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17:16.46g0tojelly-home: yeah. Commands to execute on the boot line when you are installing Debian
17:17.32g0tolied & jelly-home: here -> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/2005/09/29/graphics/fig01-splash.png
17:18.08stewg0to: just hit enter
17:18.36g0tostew: I have a disk driver issue and want to enter a command to solve
17:18.54jelly-homeg0to, try pressing F1, F2, F3...
17:18.59stewg0to: you are trying to install debian or repair an existing install?
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17:20.12g0tojelly-home: press is Fx just for help, but don't help me out to know why the command I enter is not recognized
17:20.25stewg0to: what command did you enter?
17:20.28g0tostew: a brand new installation
17:20.37stewg0to: what is the disk driver issue?
17:20.43g0tostew: "linux all-generic-ide irqpoll"
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17:21.23g0tostew: 'Disk driver was not found'
17:21.45jelly-homeg0to, what happens if you don't do "all-generic-ide"?
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17:22.39g0tojelly-home: I get 'Disk driver was not found' when is trying to detect hardware
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17:22.55jelly-homeg0to, how old is your d-i image?
17:23.28stewg0to: can you hit "alt-f2" to get to a console, and load a driver by hand?
17:23.51g0tojelly-home: "lenny beta1 release" of february
17:24.35g0tostew: No, I can't
17:24.53stewg0to: oh yikes.  you should try a newer installer
17:25.08stewg0to: try a weekly
17:25.51g0toI found the solution of "all-generic-ide" in a few forums, but all the people runs with the linux command
17:26.00ramilhello i am dumb and upgraded 'openvpn' to testing's version, and now i can't install build-essential.  what should i do? http://pastebin.com/d1573cb8b
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17:27.16stewramil: what version of libc6 do you have installed now?
17:27.30g0tostew: downloading last daily image. Maybe its solved yet
17:27.35stewg0to: it could be that that option was added since february
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17:27.57ramilstew I have libc 2.7-10
17:28.57stewramil: so your choices are to finish upgrading to testing ; try to manually downgrade (/msg dpkg partial downgrade) (which is tedious, and not guaranteed to work), or reinstall
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17:29.30g0tostew: it worked on february to the man on post #9 -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/hard-drives-not-detected-during-debian-installation-620012/
17:29.50dFencewhat's wrong with that command?! iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1  -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
17:30.40stewdFence: nothing?
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17:30.59dFencestew: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
17:31.20stewdFence: what does "uname -r" say?
17:31.31dFence2.6.25.3
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17:31.49pozicWhat packages do I need to reinstall to fix the font system? KDE applications all have working letters, but the GTK based applications all show little rectangles, instead of letters.
17:32.08stewdFence: does it work with a debian kernel?
17:32.32dFencestew: does _what_ work? you mean the command?
17:32.41stewdFence: yes
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17:33.32stewdFence: or, what does "grep MATCH_STATE /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return?
17:33.42EzepSorry, there isn't emerald on debian's official repos?
17:34.03EzepI don't wanna to put foreign repos, and use non-free stuff :S
17:34.27dFencestew: # CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_STATE is not set
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17:34.41stewdFence: then you can't use -m state
17:34.47dFencestew: does that mean i have to compile the .ko?
17:35.04stewdFence: yes.  why are you compiling your own kernel?
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17:35.22dFencestew: why not?
17:36.00stewdFence: becuase you get little if any benefit, and instead you get problems like the one you are currently asking about
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17:36.45dFencestew: i think it's an old habit.. when i got started with linux compiling your own kernel was the first thing to do...
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17:38.22adamais it possible to translate uids on files when scp-ing to match to/from username?
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17:38.53stewadama: rsync does this for you
17:39.13stew(when given the correct options)
17:39.28adamaoh does it? by default or with a s...OK i'll look thanks a lot stew
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17:40.11jstephensonI seem to need to compile a package from source to set a particular option, but I'm struggling to find a decent guide on how best to do this. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
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17:40.55stewjstephenson: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules
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17:42.29jstephensonstew: Ahhh, thanks.
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17:44.55clamiaxNobody got problems with CD Audio (using wodim) converting MP3 to WAV?
17:45.08clamiaxs/CD Audio/audio CDs/
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17:52.20Nosferaxhey guys..
17:52.30Nosferaxi'm trying to mount a debian installation on a usb-key
17:52.30unixSnobquestion on checksums.. I keep getting mismatches when comparing an ISO image to a burned cd
17:52.43Nosferaxwhat would be the best way to redirect writings to ram
17:52.56Nosferaxbut still give me an option to write into the key if i desired it
17:53.01unixSnobFirst I tried 'dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum'
17:53.18unixSnobThen I tried "dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 | head -c 657326080 | md5sum -"
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17:54.17jelly-homeunixSnob, does your command succeed in reading all 320960 blocks?
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17:54.25unixSnoband the two checksums run on the same CD don't match each other either
17:54.40jstephensonIs there a reverse of build-dep - ie remove the packages that I had to install to build a package?
17:54.45unixSnobThe first command got an error, but continued
17:54.55unixSnobThe second one did not error
17:55.08abrotmanjstephenson: no
17:55.44pozicIs there a way to reinstall every installed package without losing user-settings?
17:55.50unixSnobThe size I passed to head on the 2nd attempt is the same as the ISO image
17:56.14stewjstephenson: peterS had a 'aptitude-build-dep' script to do this on p12n.org, but it wasn't working last i tried
17:56.26stewpozic: aptitude reinstall '~i'
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17:56.57jstephensonstew: Ahh. Unfortunate.
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17:57.26unixSnobIs it possible that CDs would have some leading junk that the ISO image does not?
17:57.29xushiif i'm exporting a 1TB disk (whole partition) through nfs, do i do it as sync or async?
17:57.53jelly-homexushi, rw or ro?
17:57.57xushirw
17:58.00unixSnobI'm dumping off the trailing junk by using the head command
17:58.04jelly-homexushi, what's going to be used for?
17:58.22xushijelly-home: it's a storage server. mounting it to my machine to read files mostly. occasionally to write files
17:58.59jelly-homexushi, I'd go with async, doesn't sound mission critical
17:59.06unixSnobI suppose it's possible that the burner simply misburned some bits
17:59.07xushijelly-home: thanks.
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17:59.22jelly-home(I'd go with async in any case ;-)
17:59.42unixSnobBut I would like to know what approaches folks use to read the checksum of a CD
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18:00.04xinguxushi: always async
18:00.09unixSnob(if different from what I tried)
18:00.21jelly-homeunixSnob, dd ... bs=2048 count=$((657326080/2048)) | md5sum - would have worked as well
18:00.38xinguxushi: sync nfs is a really good way to phase lock with the highest latency in the path
18:00.38pozicstew: thanks. Is there also a way to automatically remove everything that is not fetchable?
18:00.43xushiffs, this is such robbery... i have a new 1TB disk. formatted as ext3, and it says its capacity is 917G, used 200M, available 871G
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18:01.01xushii mean they're selling me something slightly larger than a 750G disk, as a 1TB disk..
18:01.04pozicstew: that's not a very big problem, but now I need to run your command and remove the package one by one.
18:01.06unixSnobjelly-home: thanks for the tip!  That will speed it up I think.. head causes it to take like an hour or something
18:01.21jelly-homexushi, drive size are always reported base 10.
18:01.34xushiyea.. i just think its robbery
18:01.38xushiwhen will they change
18:01.40jelly-homeit's not
18:01.50jelly-homedrive size were _always_ in base 10
18:01.59stewpozic: apt-show-versions could probably help you identify packages which are no longer availalbe
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18:02.10jstephensonstew: Once I've built the .deb ... how do I actually install it from a local source?
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18:03.00jelly-homexushi, you can use tune2fs to reduce the number of blocks reserved for root to a saner value
18:03.10xinguhah
18:03.19jelly-homexushi, that'll get you closer to 917GB
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18:03.27xushijelly-home: what would you recommend? or advise?
18:03.37stewjstephenson: dpkg -i /path/to/.deb
18:03.41jelly-homexushi, -m1? Dunno
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18:03.46xinguat 95%+ util ufs-like filesystem allocators go apeshit
18:03.49unixSnobjelly-home: also, that's a very cool trick to be able to do math ops inside $(()).  I had no idea about that.. is that undocumented?
18:03.57xingusane by electronic backside
18:04.20xingus/by/my/
18:04.28jelly-homexingu, he'll likely store porn, movies and mp3s on it, ie. large files
18:04.35stewunixSnob: its in "man bash"
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18:05.51jstephensonstew: Thanks ... where did it put the .deb it built ^^?
18:05.59stewjstephenson: ..
18:07.05jstephenson...
18:07.08jstephensonDon't answer that
18:07.10jstephensonPlease
18:07.10jstephenson:p
18:07.18jelly-homejstephenson, he did
18:07.31jstephensonSo he did :P
18:07.38jstephensonEither way
18:07.40jstephensonI fail
18:07.43jstephensonTy
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18:08.06jelly-homejstephenson, it wasn't a fallen colon :
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18:08.52durysuccess booting debian40r3-i386-netinst cd on IBM NetVista A20 6269
18:09.30duryold PC but it works
18:09.53durylike old PCs...hahahaha :)
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18:10.14duryrecycling
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18:11.09crazeekennee13Hello all.  Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the pthreads source code?
18:11.11NotACrookNixonI cut my teeth on Debian on recycled hardware - started out with a PII-450 from my uni's surplus store
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18:14.38streunerwtf
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18:16.38rjentIs there a sources.list entry for webmin on lenny?
18:16.59stewcrazeekennee13: apt-get source glibc
18:17.08stewrjent: no
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18:17.52rjentstew: thanks
18:19.12xushiwhat group is nfs usually under?
18:19.35stewxushi: what do you mean?
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18:20.02xushiwell, i cannot write to the nfs shared partition from my OSX, even though i've set everything to 775
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18:20.21xushii'm not sure if my OSX username has to be in the nfs group in linux to be able to write,
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18:21.13jelly-homexushi, does your uid match on both sides?
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18:21.24goldfisc1lihow i can tell make-kpkg to use 2 cpus?
18:21.40xushijelly-home: no it doesn't, but i don't recall having to before
18:21.57xushibut good point though.. i'll double check on that
18:22.32jelly-homegoldfisc1li, rtfm
18:22.33stewgoldfisc1li: set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL
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18:23.59goldfisc1listew: thx
18:24.08jelly-homexushi, I don't know about OSX, but I either had to make them the same on a Solaris server and a Linux client, or make the directory writable to "nobody"
18:24.27xushii'm trying to find out how to find out the uid on Leopard :)
18:24.40jelly-homels -ln ? :-)
18:24.41crazeekennee13stew: thanks !!!!
18:24.58xushilol fair enough
18:25.31xushias for linux, shall i just manually change the uid from /etc/passwd for that user?
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18:27.23kduboisso, if i update a conf file in a debian package i made, is there a way to merge the new file with the old file? i currently just have the file defined in 'conffiles', but that just makes dpkg ask me what version i want to keep, and its not helpful. can anyone think of a way to merge the two files using dpkg's built in functions?
18:27.51xushiusermod.. and still wont work, even after both users are the same uid
18:28.07stewkdubois: have a look at ucf, it has a three-way merge feature
18:28.10dustybincan microsoft word open a open office document?
18:28.29xushinot yet
18:28.34xushibut soon it will
18:28.58kduboisthanks stew, ill read the manpage and see what i can make it do
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18:31.23xushiworks now.. had to chmod everything to 'users' after i add all users to that group
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18:39.14lydgateI've got cups printing to a network printer; how can I get lpr to print to that printer?
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18:41.16donspauldinghi hobbes006!
18:41.23hobbes006o
18:41.26hobbes006wrong channel :)
18:41.27hobbes006lol
18:41.31donspauldingno, you're here
18:41.33hobbes006but yes, i am a redmine user too
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18:41.41hobbes006o
18:41.45donspaulding:-D
18:41.48hobbes006i labelled the channels the other way around
18:41.48hobbes006lol
18:41.56hobbes006redmine = debian and debian = redmine
18:42.56hobbes006got a problem.
18:43.10hobbes006sources.list and apt-get update is giving me segmentation fault
18:43.12jelly-homelydgate, lp -d myprinter some-file
18:43.17hobbes006i am running debian 4.0
18:43.29hobbes006anyidea where to start troubleshooting ?
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18:44.05twobitworkI just installed debian on qemu, but at boot time x.org can't find any valid modes... I don't see anything about any problems or gotchyas listed in the debian wiki or when I google for it...
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18:44.15jelly-homelydgate, use lpadmin to set the default printer
18:45.13lydgatejelly-home: ahh thanks amaznig
18:45.25lydgatewas expecting lpr, now i see that's in cupsys-bsd
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18:46.09hobbes006anyone can give a hand with this problem -> http://dpaste.com/52100/
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18:46.34jelly-homelydgate, lp is cups' lpr :-)
18:46.58jelly-homelydgate, lpr is a nice wrapper that provides lpr's syntax if you're attached to it
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18:47.17lydgateno not attached, just haven't set up a printer in a while
18:47.30lydgatelast time i just plugged in the parallel port and lpr worked, hehe
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18:48.22dejanpanhi all, i recently installed sid on my "asus turion64" and now poweroff only comes until it says "system halted". it is apparently caused by acpi, does anyone know what and where is to be configured? i am using 2.6.24-5 kernel
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18:51.35pozicTwo of my consoles do not respond after I executed a script in them. CPU usage is about 0.
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18:54.05kduboisstew: are there any tutorials about how to use ucf around? :-)
18:54.33halflifehello folks how do i check when was the last time fsck was run on a volume or how many times it has been mounted ?
18:54.35donspauldinghobbes006: try apt-get clean
18:54.40stewkdubois: 'grep ucf /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst' :)
18:55.04xinguhalflife: tune2fs -l /dev/whatever
18:55.11donspauldinghobbes006: and "rm /var/apt/cache/*.bin"
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18:55.47halflifexingu: thanks
18:56.03pozicHow do I "restart" console 2, killing all processes it started in the process?
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18:56.07ra9ftmj #ns2-wpan
18:56.49hobbes006don: i found that link too and trying this :)
18:57.01stewpozic: a SAK with magic sysrq?
18:57.18hobbes006someone mentioned another solution of increasing the cache
18:57.23pozicstew: acronym overload.
18:57.29hobbes006http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1972
18:57.43stewpozic: google for magic sysrq
18:59.02stewpozic: switch to the tty, then hit alt-sysrq-k
18:59.36pozicstew: yes, I read the wikipedia page on it. Thanks
18:59.55donspauldinghobbes006: that looks closer to your problem.
18:59.57extorIs bind the most efficient caching local nameserver? Or...are there any leaner and meaner resolvers that can cache resolution for a minute or two?
19:00.05hobbes006don: solved.
19:00.11hobbes006increasing the cache solved it
19:00.15donspauldingawesome
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19:00.47xinguextor: if you want to spend some money on this, I can recommend nominum's cns
19:01.04hobbes006psycopg2 also installed
19:01.05hobbes006whew
19:01.12extorAnd if I don't, then?
19:01.15hobbes006thanks a lot! :)
19:01.17xinguextor: in the foss world, I'd stick with bind, but that's just me.
19:01.27donspauldinghobbes006: but I didn't fix your problem :-)
19:01.48extorany others besides bind which have popular use? I heard things about bind security and not sure if it is a resource hog or anything
19:01.56Breakzhow to wet db links?
19:02.00Breakzwith ? and w/e innit?
19:02.05stewextor: dnsmasq
19:02.08xinguextor: so run some benchmarks
19:02.28stewextor: what did you hear about bind security?
19:02.36Breakzwet=wget*
19:03.00xinguwonders why people seem to think that popularity contests are a substitute for empiricism
19:03.10extorstew just heard that a while back there were some rootable holes
19:03.40extorbecause only the popular ones will make it into the debian packaging system, that's why.
19:05.01Breakzhow to wget http://www.site.com/tuff/?dir=&download=file.zip ?
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19:06.54extorremove the 'how to' and the '?'
19:07.15Breakzthen i get index.html?
19:07.28Breakz21:01:39 (308.97 KB/s) - `index.html?dir=.1' saved [7019/7019]
19:07.31Breakzkinda pointless? :S
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19:07.53simonrvngo to the page first
19:08.09Breakzyes with ssh? ..
19:08.36Breakzi'd use konquer, FF or w/e to get it normally, but i only got SSH atm
19:09.11xinguapt-get install w3m
19:09.52Bushmillsextor: for home network, bind as recursive dns may be overkill. you might want to look at pdnsd
19:10.01Bushmillspdnsd is a IPv6 capable proxy domain name server (DNS) which saves the contents of its DNS cache to the disk on exit.
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19:10.35Breakzw3m didnt help much
19:10.36stewBreakz: the file that it is saving is actually a zip file with the wrong name?  or is it html?
19:10.44Breakzits index.html
19:10.53stewBreakz: what is wrong with using w3m?
19:11.05slidesingerIs there anyway to have an xterm consume 25% of the available desktop when opening regardless of your desktop size?  eg it would open smaller on a 1024x768 desktop than on a 1280x800.
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19:11.09stewdoes the site require javascript or something?
19:11.21extorSo far I have collected dnsmasq, dnscache(part of djbdns) and pdnsd as alternatives to bind
19:11.36Breakzis get [1] 8388
19:11.45Breakzwhen using w3m and no files in my dir
19:12.00xinguBreakz: w3m -v, then U (for URL), then paste.
19:12.04Breakzand no it shouldnt, i got noscript on with ff
19:12.10xinguBreakz: but your page is a 404 in any case.
19:12.24stewBreakz: you need to put the url in quotes becuase your shell is interpreting the &
19:12.42stewBreakz: wget 'http://www.site.com/tuff/?dir=&download=file.zip'  ; or w3m 'http://www.site.com/tuff/?dir=&download=file.zip'
19:13.45Breakzi'll just download it on windows, it seems to handle it perfectly
19:13.50Breakzand then upload it, thanks anyways >.<'
19:14.14steww3m would probably handle it perfectly as well
19:14.23stew(if you give it the correct url)
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19:14.44Breakzhttp://www.l2jdp.com/nightly/
19:15.17Breakznot working for me with w3m, wget or w/e
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19:15.30stewBreakz: wget works for me.  what command did you run?
19:15.38Breakzand not willing ennough to start x-window and use konquer, i'll just download it locally and ftp it to the server
19:15.48adamacan debian/linux mount/read PS3-formatted drives?
19:16.07adamai.e. a drive taken out of a PS3
19:16.08blubberdiblubit downloads the files without problem here using wget, Breakz
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19:16.10stewBreakz: or you could just run the wget command i gave you
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19:17.19Breakzhttp://revpermin.com/pastebin/view.php?id=259 keep getting stuff like that
19:17.23Breakzwith or without the quotes
19:18.27stewBreakz: you need to put quotes around the URL so that your shell doesn't interpret the & as "run the previous command in the backgroung"
19:18.40blubberdiblubBreakz, you have to get rid of the backslash in front of the ? when using single quotes around the url
19:19.00xinguslidesinger: xterm -geometry `xdpyinfo | awk '$1 == "dimensions:" { w=substr($2, 1, index($2, "x")-1); h=substr($2, index($2, "x")+1); print int(w/2) "x" (h/2) "+0+0"; }'`  ... might be a place to start
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19:19.32xinguslidesinger: nb, xterm's -geometry seems to take size in terms of character cells rather than in terms of pixels; so you'll need to adjust the w,h divisors accordingly.
19:19.44Breakztried that stew, same error, its just out of my putty screen now
19:19.46blubberdiblubBreakz, or escape both the ? and the & with backslashes, when using no quotes
19:19.46dFence*sigh* i'm getting reeeeeeally annoyed with that..
19:20.06slidesingerxingu: Thanks.
19:20.22stewBreakz: you would get completely different behaviour with the url in quotes
19:20.23Breakzblubberdiblub: gives 404 when i try that
19:20.47dFencedhcpd3 throws the following line when the AP sends a dhcp-request: Unable to add forward map from CoovaAP.local.lan to 192.168.11.200: timed out
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19:21.01Breakzthanks for the effort guys but i already gave up and am already uploading it from my windows box to the server
19:21.13blubberdiblubwget http://www.l2jdp.com/nightly/\?dir=\&download=L2J_DataPack-unstable.zip works fine for me, Breakz. wget 'http://www.l2jdp.com/nightly/?dir=&download=L2J_DataPack-unstable.zip' does as well
19:21.19stewBreakz: wget 'http://www.l2jdp.com/nightly/?dir=&download=L2J_DataPack-unstable.zip'
19:21.21dFenceis that a problem with named, dhcp or iptables?
19:21.24AwesomeGuymy /home/kurt dir got the permissions changed to 667, and now I can't log in
19:21.33xingudFence: you've obviously got some dhcp->nsupdate hook going on.
19:21.37AwesomeGuythen it told me it needed to be 644, so I changed it to 644, still not working
19:21.37stewBreakz: wget -O L2J_DataPack-unstable.zip 'http://www.l2jdp.com/nightly/?dir=&download=L2J_DataPack-unstable.zip'
19:21.42dFencexingu: yep
19:21.49xingudFence: suggest you review your dhcp config for ddns setup
19:21.54xingudFence: because it's busted
19:21.57stewAwesomeGuy: what told you that what needed to be 644 ?
19:22.00Breakzi tried the quotes befor and it failed
19:22.05Breakzthis time it worked :s
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19:22.11stewuh huh
19:22.19AwesomeGuyafter I logged in a popup window told me the /home/kurt dir needed to be 644
19:22.28xingudFence: if you don't want the functionality, disable it at the dhcpd end; if you do, fix it at the dhcpd and bind (or whatever) end
19:22.28stewAwesomeGuy: what exactly did it say?
19:22.34AwesomeGuyI did chmod 664 -R /home/kurt and I still can't log in
19:22.38Breakzmkkcool, thx stephbul
19:22.40Breakzstew
19:22.41stewAwesomeGuy: your home directory needs to be at least 700
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19:23.02AwesomeGuywell it works almost, but now it's saying ~/.gnome2 or something needs to have different permissions
19:23.08jelly-homeAwesomeGuy, any tool suggesting a dir to be 644 doesn't know what it's taling about
19:23.22AwesomeGuywhat does 644 mean
19:23.22stewAwesomeGuy: you'd have to fix the permissions of all directories
19:23.30stewAwesomeGuy: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
19:23.37jelly-homeAwesomeGuy, directories need odd numbers in permissions
19:23.49AwesomeGuy700 is not odd
19:24.04jelly-home7 is.
19:24.18AwesomeGuyok I'll change it to 700
19:24.24AwesomeGuyI already changed / to 644 though
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19:24.37stewAwesomeGuy: what command did you use to chagne / to 644?
19:24.48AwesomeGuychmod 644 -R /
19:24.55jelly-homeblinks
19:25.01jelly-homereinstall?
19:25.03stewAwesomeGuy: you'll need to restore everything from a backup or reinstall debian, then
19:25.13AwesomeGuywhy would the system lie to me
19:25.16AwesomeGuywhy?
19:25.19AwesomeGuyit's fine
19:25.28stewAwesomeGuy: what exactly did it say?
19:25.35stewAwesomeGuy: i'm guessing you misinterpreted something
19:25.39AwesomeGuyI forget
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19:25.48AwesomeGuyit told me that my home dir needed to be 644
19:25.53AwesomeGuyI'll change it to 700
19:26.14AwesomeGuythis is my laptop in the other room
19:26.14stewAwesomeGuy: if you really ran "chmod 644 -R /" you'll need to reinstall
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19:26.40dFencexingu: i don't understand it... the settings were perfectly fine before i restarted the machine
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19:27.24jelly-homeAwesomeGuy, it's extremely unlikely a sane Debian app would tell you a directory needs to be 644.  If you can reproduce this issue again, please provide the complete error message
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19:28.25AwesomeGuywhat the hell? now I can't even log in or access anything with root
19:28.36stewAwesomeGuy: no, you won't be able to do anything with that system
19:28.46AwesomeGuyI'm sick of linux messing up EVERYTHING
19:28.57AwesomeGuynow I have to waste 3 hours reinstalling
19:29.06stewAwesomeGuy: linux didn't mess up anything, you ran "chmod 644 -R /"
19:29.18stewlinux did exactly as it was told
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19:29.27AwesomeGuybecause it made me think 644 was everyone has permission of it
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19:29.54whizzAwesomeGuy: well, setting all permissions to every file isn't a good idea either
19:29.58AwesomeGuydoesn't it have some super account you can use
19:30.20stewAwesomeGuy: yes, root.  but you just told the system to not let anybody, even root, use any directories or execute any programs
19:30.33AwesomeGuywhy does it let you do that then
19:30.33\amethystAwesomeGuy:  644 means everyone has permission to read, but you need execute permission to be able to actually use a directory
19:31.00openuserhi everybody, I have a debian based distro called dreamlionux, but it doesn-t include by default any app to change th language, does anybody know what app can I use for that?
19:31.06\amethystAwesomeGuy:  if a directory is 644 that means you can ls it, but you can't access any files inside (not even to get the information for ls -l)
19:31.07rahulAwesomeGuy: "linux" told you that?
19:31.27stewAwesomeGuy: this is why it has a separate account which only system administrators should use which has the permissions to do such dangerous operations
19:31.33AwesomeGuyI told you a popup window told me to change /home/kurt to 644 and it would be fine
19:31.42\amethystAwesomeGuy:  a popup window from what?
19:31.45\amethystAwesomeGuy:  what program?
19:31.45rahulwhat?
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19:31.48xinguif a popup window told you to jump of the golden gate... :)
19:31.50AwesomeGuyI DONT KNOW
19:31.59SyLcan I use apt-get install package.deb?
19:32.01stewAwesomeGuy: no, it didn't, you misread it.  and it certainly didn't tell you to switch to root and change the permission of every file on the machine
19:32.06rahulAwesomeGuy: stop installing crackheaded applications, then
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19:32.19rahulSyL: apt works on repositories, not random files
19:32.28stewAwesomeGuy: you should read http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
19:32.31\amethystAwesomeGuy:  well, that program is stupid and as soon as you figure out which it was you should stop using it :)
19:32.34jelly-homeAwesomeGuy: did you run your "chmod -R 644 /" as root?
19:32.43AwesomeGuyyes
19:32.48SyLrahul: so I couldn't do that like I can with yum, right? I have to use dpkg?
19:32.48rahulSyL: you can use dpkg, but you won't get any automatic dependency resolution
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19:33.05rahulSyL: why did you download a naked .deb file?
19:33.09jelly-homeAwesomeGuy, oh, reinstall then, that's the simplest solution.
19:33.23AwesomeGuydamnit, I have to waste another freaking CD
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19:33.31AwesomeGuyand I lose all my files
19:33.32bkw-When I try to use ca cert generated on debian I get "openssl.c:86 Error loading private key: ERR=error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line Error loading private key: ERR=error:140B0009:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file:PEM lib"  any hints why?
19:33.33\amethystAwesomeGuy:  why do you need another CD?
19:33.42rahulAwesomeGuy: you make read-once CDs?
19:33.43stewAwesomeGuy: you can still get files off the machine if there is data there you need
19:33.44AwesomeGuyI lost the other one
19:33.52rahulcues mission impossible music
19:33.57SyLrahul: I didn't, I'm using something that was made for me.
19:34.14rahulSyL: well, hopefully they made it correctly
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19:34.40SyLrahul: agreed... =)
19:35.08Eulexbkw-, does the pem file have a -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----/-----BEGIN DSA PRIVATE KEY----- line and a -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- line?
19:35.10rahulSyL: dpkg is the way to go, if you want to do that
19:35.11AwesomeGuythe kernel shoudln't let you do things that mess everything up
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19:35.43rahulAwesomeGuy: use windows vista, then
19:35.46\amethystAwesomeGuy:  The kernel doesn't let normal users do things that mess everything up
19:35.52rahuland that
19:35.52SyLrahul: cool, thanks!
19:35.56\amethystAwesomeGuy:  'root' means 'let me do anything I want'
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19:36.15AwesomeGuyI'm sick of this damn operating system
19:36.17jelly-homeAwesomeGuy, in short, Linux won't prevent you from shooting yourself in the foot.
19:36.20AwesomeGuyit screws everything up
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19:36.28rahulAwesomeGuy: YOU screwed everything up
19:36.34jelly-homeAwesomeGuy, use OSX or Windows then
19:36.37whizzAwesomeGuy: no, YOU did
19:36.44rahulhe'd screw up OSX or Windows, too
19:36.46Eulexhe left, guys.
19:36.51whizzlol
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19:36.52\amethystAwesomeGuy:  try deleting the  \windows\system32  directory and see how far you get :)
19:36.55jelly-homephew
19:36.56whizzI think he was kidding
19:37.05rahul\amethyst: haha, I was just going to say that :)
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19:37.20rahulAwesomeGuy: go away
19:37.21AwesomeGuyhow can I get my files off the system
19:37.24Eulexbkw-, you can't really do much with just a certificate. you need the private key of it too, to be able to encrypt data that can be decrypted with the cert
19:37.24whizz:P
19:37.30\amethystAwesomeGuy:  okay, that we can help with
19:37.31stewAwesomeGuy: boot a livecd, mount your drive from there
19:38.17AwesomeGuyfrom the livecd can I change the permissions of stuff
19:38.20stewAwesomeGuy: yes
19:38.30rahulhe can just boot with init=/bin/sh and then chmod -R u+rx /
19:38.35\amethystAwesomeGuy:  then when you're in with the livecd and have it mounted as (for example) /disk  do   chmod -R +X  /disk
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19:38.37stewrahul: no he can't
19:38.40rahuler a+rx
19:38.50stewrahul: he cant run chmod, it is -x
19:39.00\amethystrahul:  /bin/sh and chmod aren't executable :)
19:39.01rahuloh, he'd need busybox, yeah
19:39.04bkw-Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/1026225 this is what the pem file looks like. (will be regenerated later).
19:39.16rahulhmm, does the kernel check if init is executable?
19:39.18stewand he'd also need to know the correct permissions for every file on the system
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19:39.43rahulstew: nah. he just wants to copy some files off and then trash the install
19:40.07Eulexbkw-, oh. well, that one looks ok. make sure you haven't made a typo in the file name. and yeah, regenerate it now that you've broadcast your private key :)
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19:40.41AwesomeGuyhow many kilobytes in 100 MB
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19:41.06stewAwesomeGuy: 100000 or 102400 depending on who you ask
19:41.09\amethystAwesomeGuy:  100 * 1024
19:41.11rahulblinks at AwesomeGuy
19:41.17rahulc'mon
19:41.30AwesomeGuyI'm seeing if my debian iso is still on here
19:41.41AwesomeGuycool still there
19:41.51AwesomeGuydon't have to take 2 hours to download it
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19:42.17tinglehello, whit what burning tool can i easly burn a iso? gui would be nice if there is one
19:42.19markybob<PROTECTED>
19:42.21vjoebbl
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19:43.36\amethysttingle:  you use Gnome?
19:43.39bkw-Eulex: should the ca.pem keep both the cert and key?
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19:44.01Eulexbkw-, yes.
19:44.59tingle\amethyst: nope fluxbox, i apt-cached and come on gnomebaker but it looks pretty large :)
19:45.08\amethysttingle:  if you just want to burn an ISO, why do you need a gui
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19:45.21\amethysttingle:  it's really just as simple as  cdrecord filename.iso
19:45.32g0tohell o there!
19:45.34tinglelook like ftp.nl.debian.org is down atm..
19:45.45tingle\amethyst: orly? just like that?
19:46.00Eulextingle, works well here.
19:46.05stewitym wodim?
19:46.12\amethystyeah, wodim these days
19:46.15whizzIf I want to give anyone in my local windows network the right to delete some files in a samba-shared directory, what permissions do I have to give it?
19:46.27g0tohow can I tweak etch to use Ctrl+AltF1-F6 as text based terminals?
19:46.40roxy_I tried to log a screen sesssion, but the result file was just a scamble of [^Em ..
19:46.41\amethyststew:  the symlink is still there :)
19:46.46stew\amethyst: ahh, ok
19:46.58\amethystg0to: that should be the default
19:47.00roxy_is there a way to parse this file or get a proper log session ?
19:47.08Eulexg0to, it's supposed to do that, if you haven't changed the tty settings
19:47.21\amethystroxy:  if you cat it at the terminal, it will play back
19:47.26g0to\amethyst: its not by default on my etch :S
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19:47.38\amethystg0to:  do you have text terminals at all?
19:48.05stewg0to: do you get a text terminal if you run "chvt 1" ? (if so, ctrl-alt-f7 or chvt 7 shoudl get you back to X)
19:48.15roxy_\amethyst: thanks. Any option I could pass to screen so I get a "normal" file ?
19:48.29g0to\amethyst: no, if I push Ctrl+Alt+F1 can see tty1 but XWindow is launched inmediatly
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19:48.57Eulexg0to, you mean that it switches back to tty7 immediately?
19:49.22\amethystg0to:  back to the same instance of X, or a brand-new X?
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19:49.38palluhello all of you
19:49.41\amethystg0to:  can you pastebin your /etc/inittab ?
19:50.13vinc456hey pallu
19:50.34pallui have two monitors two videocards i whant them both to work. how can i get them to work
19:50.43palluwith x
19:51.03stewpallu: google for the xinerama howto
19:51.06\amethystroxy_:  hm... what would you want to happen when you run a curses program?
19:51.18\amethystroxy_: what would you want to be logged, I mean
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19:51.41yommpallu : or check nvidia site linux drivers how to ( the xorg section is nicely detailed imho )
19:51.49\amethystroxy_:  because you could strip out the terminal control codes, but that doesn't guarantee that it will look right
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19:52.16stewyomm: why would he check the nvidia site?
19:53.04yommstew : i found the sections on xorg configuration very helpful in setting  up any multiscreen set-up i ever had
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19:53.29stewyomm: using twinview?
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19:53.44roxy_\amethyst: yep, didn't realise the difference between console and file.
19:53.52yommstew : or multiple card / screen config in xorg.conf etc ..
19:54.20ZigaraIf I change my sources.list to testing and run apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade, do I have to reconfigure the kernel myself?
19:54.38roxy_\quit
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19:55.08EulexZigara, only if you have special reasons for not running the default kernel
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19:56.26ZigaraEulex: I've ran the two commands mentioned above, and then rebooted on two fresh installs of debian etch and the kernels bailed. I believe it had to do with the not loading ide drivers
19:56.34stewi'd be reluctant to point someone using ati to a page with nvidia specific stuff
19:56.39ZigaraEulex: i thought debian did that for you when you ran dist-upgrade?
19:56.55stewexpecially when there are generic howtos that already describe exactly what he is trying ot do
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19:57.27stewZigara: what dou mean by "bailed"?
19:57.34pacroonhehe
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19:57.37EulexZigara, it does. what hardware is this?
19:57.55EulexZigara, also, you can always boot the old kernel.
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19:58.17Zigarastew: as far as i can tell it didnt load ide drivers
19:58.24stewZigara: did it give you an error?
19:58.32ZigaraEulex: one was a 1.7ghz p4, other is a dell poweredge 440 core 2 duo
19:58.43EulexZigara, it did perhaps not load the ide driver necessary for your hardware.
19:58.48g0to\amethyst: here is the inittab content -> http://pantuflo.escet.urjc.es/~uniq3/borra/tty_issue.txt
19:58.55EulexZigara, by 'hardware' I mean ide chipset
19:58.59Zigarastew: i didnt have local access, the logs just have a gap in them
19:59.15ZigaraEulex: dell is ICH8 based
19:59.56Eulexthis box has an ich8m. works fine.
20:00.33ZigaraEulex: the dell booted after about 5 mins of the kernel spitting out ide not found messages
20:00.38\amethystg0to:  yeah, the inittab is perfectly fine...
20:00.39ZigaraEulex: because it doesnt have ide
20:01.06EulexZigara, right. but does it work?
20:01.18Zigaranot the p4
20:01.25Zigarahad to get the data center to reboot into the old kernel
20:01.25\amethystg0to:  when you say 'you can see tty1 but XWindow is launched immediately', do you mean that you briefly see a text login prompt?
20:01.31Eulexthen you have two different problems there
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20:01.41Zigarano, both messed up on ide
20:01.47g0to\amethyst: if I try to close the X session (Ctrl+alt+backspace) then it reopens again
20:01.56\amethystg0to:  yes, that's normal
20:02.04\amethystg0to:  what happens when you press ctrl-alt-f1 ?
20:02.17EulexZigara, I do only have "ICH8M: IDE port disabled" once in my log. did you get anything similar?
20:02.35g0to\amethyst: yes, I view a text login briefly prompt just before the X is launched again
20:02.56g0to\amethyst: If I press ctrl+alt+F1 nothing happend
20:02.58ZigaraEulex: im more worried about the box that didnt work with the dist-upgrade kernel
20:03.06ZigaraEulex: I can show you logs from that, what do you need
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20:03.56\amethystg0to:  So: when you press ctrl-alt-backspace you see a text login briefly before X restarts.   However, when you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 nothing happens, and you don't see the console, even briefly ?
20:04.11stewZigara: how do you know that it is ide?
20:04.13\amethystg0to:  is that a correct description of what's happening?
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20:04.30stewZigara: if you are having to go to the datacenter, you might look at /msg dpkg grub fallback
20:04.35EulexZigara, one thing that may actually have happened is that the device name of the hard drive changed.
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20:04.54ZigaraEulex: well theres a gap in the log, just guessing
20:05.06g0to\amethyst: yes, that's a perfect description of what is happening
20:05.08stewZigara: in what log?
20:05.16Zigaraall server logs
20:05.34Zigarastew: from the time i rebooted it, to the time it got rebooted an hour later by the data center
20:05.36stewg0to: what happens if you try to run "chvt 1" as root?
20:05.47EulexZigara, me too, as that is all we can do with that information.
20:06.18stewZigara: so how do you know this problem is ide related?
20:06.34\amethystg0to:  Hm, are you using left ctrl and alt?
20:06.55Zigarastew: because I installed a fresh etch copy on my dell server i have locally, ran the same commands, and ide is what messed up on it, and the server thats remote is ide
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20:07.30stewZigara: how do you know that "ide is what messed up" on the local machine?
20:07.35g0tostew: it works, I get a text based terminal
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20:08.06g0to\amethyst: yes, ctrl and alt both on the left side
20:08.20Zigarastew: because the kernel stops booting for a few minutes and hangs on IDE drivers failing and then continues to boot
20:08.44EulexZigara, but that's the dell box, right?
20:08.45\amethystg0to:  hm... it sounds like something is blocking the keystroke, but I can't think of what would be
20:08.57epoxyhow can i send email via console through exim?  cant figure out the syntax
20:09.02EulexZigara, or does that happen to both?
20:09.05stewZigara: so you think that your local box and the remote box are behaving differently?
20:09.14epoxyhelp page is also welcome.. can't seem to narrow the results down, either.
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20:09.46Zigarastew: No, i think changing your sources to testing and running dist-update fails/is a bug in debian
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20:10.05stewZigara: based on what?
20:10.18g0to\amethyst: it still not workinf after getting tt1 with chvt 1
20:10.21Zigarastew: based on two boxes erroring on fresh installs
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20:10.25android6011i installed debian, but i didnt install grub, can i boot into my install using the install disk? if so how?
20:10.36stewZigara: what does the IDE driver have to do with dist-upgrade?
20:10.36V4Nelleguys for system with 2 gb ram i need bigmem kernel or not?
20:10.43hyper__chhiho, is there a problem with curlftpfs so that I cannot use rsync with it?
20:10.50\amethystg0to: ctrl-alt-<fkey> still doesn't work you mean?
20:10.56Zigarastew: dist-upgrade updated the kernel
20:11.03antgelhi, anyone know if cowbuilder is broken - i can't upgrade to the latest - it looks more like a cowbuilder problem than a sid problem http://pastebin.ca/1026259
20:11.19stewZigara: it is supposed to
20:11.37Zigarastew: I know, but it fails
20:11.44g0to\amethyst: yes, in tty1 ctrl+alt+f2-f6 doesn't work
20:11.50blubberdiblubg0to, maybe your F-keys are broken? or you're using a keymap that doesn't properly map your F-keys?
20:11.58antgelthink i found something - bug 469825
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20:12.03stewthis isn't making sense
20:12.20jelly-home#469825
20:12.26stewZigara: why do you want to run testing in the first place?
20:12.36jelly-homehm, my #bug -> url converter doesn't work
20:12.47Zigarastew: because its a lot more up to date
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20:12.50EulexZigara, based on what does the _upgrade_ fail and not just the new _kernel_?
20:12.56g0toblubberdiblub: Function keys, Alt and Ctrl are universals, are they?
20:13.06stewZigara: its got a lot more bugs, and isn't a good idea on servers due to the lack of security support
20:13.19ZigaraEulex: the upgrade goes fine, when i reboot the new kernel doesnt work, booting the old kernel its fine
20:13.21stewZigara: what is not up-to-date enough on stable for you?  perhaps you can use a backport
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20:13.27ZigaraEulex: happens on 2 boxes way different hardware
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20:13.38stewZigara: that isn't a bug in dist-upgrade
20:13.50EulexZigara, so why do you think the upgrade is the problem, and not just a problem with the new kernel?
20:13.59Zigarastew: well it obviously is if it cant configure a working kernel for you
20:14.04blubberdiblubg0to, there are obscure keyboards and thus there are obscure keymaps, too.
20:14.16ZigaraEulex: could be i guess
20:14.19stewZigara: what isn't working on the local box?
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20:14.30EulexZigara, guessing doesn't do any good.
20:14.38Zigarastew: the kernel hangs for five minutes loading ide crap
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20:14.59stewZigara: which ide driver?
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20:15.10stewZigara: have you tried rebuilding the initrd after it boots?
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20:15.57Zigarastew: no
20:16.00xushii'm trying to compile amule but it says C++ compiler cannot create executables.. So i `apt-get install gcc && apt-get install libc-dev`, but still the same.. what am i missing?
20:16.12Eulexxushi, a c++ compiler.
20:16.13stewxushi: build-essential
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20:16.27stewZigara: i'd recommend trying that
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20:16.46Eulexxushi, apt-get install g++. and yeah, build-essential too.
20:16.55xushithanks stew.
20:16.55stew(and build-essential includes g++)
20:17.01Eulexah
20:17.02xushiEulex: no need for sillyness
20:17.13stew?
20:17.25xushithat worked :) thanks
20:17.29orgeatHi, I have a problem with my mouse under KDE. It's not working
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20:17.47steworgeat: how is it connected physically?
20:17.48orgeatI try to install gpm but doesn't work
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20:18.06orgeatUSB on PS2
20:18.24orgeat(with adaptator)
20:18.38steworgeat: which port on your computer is it plugged into?
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20:18.44stew(usb or ps2)?
20:18.46orgeatPS2
20:18.54steworgeat: is the psmouse kernel module loaded?
20:19.16orgeata moment
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20:19.39orgeatno apparently
20:19.51orgeatmade lsmod | grep mouse
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20:19.58orgeatnothing
20:20.11steworgeat: "modprobe psmouse" and see if that fixes your problem, if so, add 'psmouse' to the end of /etc/modules
20:20.37pallui can  start X with out a configuration file and there is no problem but as soon as i use the config file theres errors
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20:21.00Eulexorgeat, how is your mouse setup in X?
20:21.06orgeatmodprobe psmouse --> fatal module not found
20:21.15stewpallu: show us your /etc/X11/xorg.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when it is NOT working ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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20:21.19steworgeat: what does "uname -r" say?
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20:21.40orgeat2.16.24 ... and so on
20:21.41brainsoftis there something like 'an online translator' from the command line?
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20:22.06palluif i remove the xorg.conf file it works fine
20:22.08steworgeat: it says what?
20:22.10orgeat2.6.24 sorry
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20:22.23steworgeat: you compiled this kernel yourself then?
20:22.40steworgeat: perhaps you didn't include mouse suppport? or ps2 mouse support?
20:23.15orgeatyes myself
20:23.23pallui dont have "/etc/X11/xorg.log"
20:23.26orgeatthe problem is it worked since today
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20:23.45stewpallu: sorry, i meant /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:23.50orgeatsomething got wrong ...
20:23.53jdolan_hi, how do i install a .deb i have on my filesystem?  (it's not from a repository, it's just chillin on the disk)
20:24.03palluits not there
20:24.07Eulexpallu, what Xorg are you running? only a very very recent xorg server would even run without an xorg.conf...
20:24.22Eulexjdolan_, dpkg -i it
20:24.23steworgeat: does it work with a debian kernel?
20:24.37jdolan_nice
20:24.39jdolan_thanks
20:24.49palluxorg ver 7.1.1
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20:25.25orgeatwell it's strange, for exemple gpm does not want to be initialized
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20:25.49orgeathow can I test it under debian kernerl ?
20:25.57Eulexjust boot the debian one?
20:26.00steworgeat: do you not have a debian kernel installed?
20:26.03palluhow do i know if i have Xinerama installed
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20:26.29Hal9000"The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C" how do i add that key so that apt won't bug me about this?
20:26.29stewpallu: you do
20:26.44stewHal9000: /msg dpkg no public key
20:26.45orgeatyes I have a debien kernel
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20:29.55AwesomeGuythe man and --help of chmod don't say what numbers to use for rwx, and rwx just says 'invalid mode'
20:30.11gimmalmust be lagged like a bog rat here. got a question though: is kernel 2.6.26 packaged for any debian distro yet?
20:30.12stewAwesomeGuy: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
20:30.27orgeatthanks for your help, seems to be difficult to solve this problem
20:30.39AwesomeGuywhy do you give me links instead of just telling me?
20:30.39stewgimmal: not yet
20:30.47AwesomeGuyjust wondering
20:30.55gimmalstew: ok; danke
20:31.12CompWizrdgimmal: might want to wait till 2.6.26 is released? :)
20:31.16stewAwesomeGuy: becuase it would be silly for me to type it all out when there is already a very detailed and eloquent description
20:31.29AwesomeGuyit's only 3 numbers
20:31.34stewAwesomeGuy: no, its not
20:31.39EulexAwesomeGuy, man chmod goes into great detail about the textual and the octal representation of permissions you send to chmod.
20:31.42stewAwesomeGuy: its at least 12 numbers
20:31.48gimmalCompWizrd: ahh, hehe; heard of some improved iwl3945 driver code, in it, assumed it was released, wrong assumption ok; hehe
20:31.59CompWizrdmaybe in a -rc
20:31.59AwesomeGuythen how did changing / to 644 mess everything up if it needs 12 not 3
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20:32.34stewAwesomeGuy: becusae 664 is shorthand for 0664, and each of those numbers is the possible addition of 1 2 and 4
20:32.40gimmalCompWizrd: sounds right; patience is the virtue in question I guess, hehe
20:33.33AwesomeGuythat thing you linked to isn't telling me how to make it rwx, it doesn't say anything useful
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20:33.47stewAwesomeGuy: what thing didn't say anything useful?
20:34.04AwesomeGuyyou don't even remember a link you pasted?
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20:34.13AwesomeGuydebian wiki page
20:34.18stewAwesomeGuy: if you want to find out how to change it to rwx, try this page: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
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20:34.34AwesomeGuythat's what doesn't tell me anything
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20:34.52AwesomeGuyinstead of describing it it should just say how to use it
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20:35.12AwesomeGuynvm, I think it's 77
20:35.14AwesomeGuy* 777
20:35.14EulexI guess "doesn't say anything useful" is synonymous to "doesn't tell me exactly how to do this specific thing"?
20:35.26stewAwesomeGuy: you should pretty much NEVER make somehting 777
20:35.31AwesomeGuy...
20:35.41AwesomeGuywhy did the guy who made linux make this so complicated
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20:36.00stewAwesomeGuy: so that it would be compliant with posix
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20:36.22AwesomeGuywhatever, I'm making it 777
20:36.29AwesomeGuyI'm the only one who ever uses this computer
20:36.30EulexAwesomeGuy, you rather want a system where everyone has permission to do anything?
20:36.37stewAwesomeGuy: what are you making 777?
20:36.48AwesomeGuya file that I made with root
20:36.53AwesomeGuyso I can edit it
20:36.58slxixwhy not make it 4777 ? :)
20:37.08EulexAwesomeGuy, err. you want chown, not chmod.
20:37.08AwesomeGuybecause 777 is fine
20:37.27stewAwesomeGuy: it seems like linux is not the operating system for you
20:37.36stewAwesomeGuy: what are your reasons for wanting to use linux at all?
20:37.46EulexAwesomeGuy, or _perhaps_ giving more permissions to just the group of your user?
20:37.54jstephensonHmmm. With start-stop-daemon, when it says anything after the -- will be passed unmodified to the program being started, does that mean you can put flags as normal say -p5000 after it and it'll pass it on?
20:38.06EulexAwesomeGuy, in any case, is the file supposed to be executable?
20:38.22slxixjstephenson: that's right.
20:38.52stewAwesomeGuy: seriously,  read the wiki page.  if there is something you don't understand on that page, ask us a specific question.  this is stuff you need to know if you are going to admin a linux box
20:39.01AwesomeGuybecause I'm trying to learn C and linux is best for programming, and linux is better for file servers
20:39.21stewAwesomeGuy: your attitude doesn't really make it seem like you actually want to learn
20:39.23valdynAwesomeGuy: the OS doesnt matter for learning C
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20:39.42AwesomeGuyI'm trying to learn about linux and programming but stupid things like this keep getting in the way
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20:39.52jstephensonslxix: Hmmm. Doesn't seem to be having that effect for me, at least in the pure-ftpd init script I am _trying_ to play with.
20:39.53stewAwesomeGuy: and if you want to know "what is better for file servers" you _definately_ want to understand filesystem permissions
20:40.02stewAwesomeGuy: this is not a stupid thing
20:40.20blubberdiblubAwesomeGuy, learn to use them to your advantage instead of your disadvantage, then
20:40.50EulexAwesomeGuy, anyway, there are two possible solutions: (1) making the file owned by you (man chown) (2) make the file owned by your user's group (but still owned by root; man chown) and allow its group to read and write from/to it (man chmod)
20:41.02AwesomeGuyI only use the file server for myself, and only I know my password
20:41.09slxixjstephenson: hmm. oh, it's passing it 'unmodified' to start-stop-daemon then.
20:41.19valdynAwesomeGuy: i dont think you will have a chance at learning C if you can grasp permissions, theres nothing simpler
20:41.28valdyns/can/cannot(
20:41.30valdyns/can/cannot/
20:41.30valdynffs
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20:42.08V4Nelleguys i try aticonfig --initial in lenny and there is a problem because of diffirent about xorg.conf on etch and lenny!any help?
20:42.17AwesomeGuyit's hard to memorize permission numbers while trying to memorize all these C things
20:42.28plotaif you nderstand the math, it's not so bad
20:42.45stewAwesomeGuy: and you don't need to memorize them.  i've pointed you at a good reference
20:42.45valdynAwesomeGuy: you would know that you dont need to memorise any numbers if you read the wiki and/ or the manpages
20:43.05AwesomeGuyall I need to know now is 777
20:43.23Eulexthat 777 will come and bite you in the ass.
20:43.34AwesomeGuyit's not like anybody can get in.
20:44.00rahulfamous last words
20:44.02Eulexwell, but if they do (through any type of security hole), they can access the files.
20:44.05stewAwesomeGuy: just don't go blindly changing permissions on files.  you've seen how that can be bad already today
20:44.24Eulexand execute them (do you _really_ intend the files to be executable?)
20:44.59AwesomeGuyyes, it makes it easier
20:45.08markybobsuggests awesomeguy goes use ubuntu
20:45.11markybob:P
20:45.16AwesomeGuywait, you can only execute a program right
20:45.30stewmarkybob: it woudlnt' change anything
20:45.37stewAwesomeGuy: what do you mean by "program"?
20:45.41markybobstew, yes, it would.  he'd be in #ubuntu
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20:45.54stewmarkybob: use /ignore
20:46.11AwesomeGuy..an executable file that if you execute it it runs a program
20:46.14helohow can i require both a valid password and key to log into sshd?
20:46.18AwesomeGuyin windows, they have a .exe after them
20:46.33stewAwesomeGuy: then, no
20:46.38dondelelcarohelo: use a password protected key.
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20:47.09EulexAwesomeGuy, is a small script a program?
20:47.31AwesomeGuyyes
20:47.36AwesomeGuywhy not
20:48.29Eulexthose can be made executable in linux and be executed too. so there's no 1-to-1 correspondence with windows.
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20:48.47helodondelelcaro: hmm... sounds reasonable, but it makes me a little uneasy to turn publickeyauthentication on after the events earlier this month... weren't people even using password protected keys vulnerable to remote logins?
20:49.18AwesomeGuyI try not to complicate things like that
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20:49.30Eulexhelo, yes, password-protecting keys had no effect on that vulnerability
20:49.38dondelelcarohelo: as were people using normal password authentication.
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20:49.58dondelelcarohelo: since breaking the keys means that nothing was encrypted
20:50.42Eulexhelo, as password-protected a key is decrypted with the key to give the private key. if you already know the private key, you don't need to decrypt it.
20:50.48xushihow do you install gtk on debian? apt-get install gtk-engines ?
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20:51.00Eulexxushi, libgtk2.0-0
20:51.02stewxushi: what do you intend to do with gtk?
20:51.26stewxushi: normally gtk would get installed automatically when you install a program that relies on it
20:51.26xushistew: wxGTK needs it as a dependance, from what i understood. that i need for aMule
20:51.35emdetehi, current unstable kernel 2.6.25 is missing firewire support (CONFIG_IEEE1394 is not set) - is that by intention? what's behind it?
20:51.50xushistew: i can pastebin the error if it helps
20:51.52stewxushi: "aptitude install amule" and everything that amule needs would be installed
20:52.06Eulexxushi, are you building wxgtk?
20:52.08xushistew: the problem is, i need the latest CVS of amule
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20:52.15Spee_DerHello world.....
20:52.16palluhello all of you
20:52.18stewxushi: so you are trying to comile it?
20:52.20stewcompile*
20:52.21xushiEulex: yea, because i need wxGTK2.8, which i cannot find in apt
20:52.24xushiyea
20:52.28stewxushi: apt-get build-dep amule
20:52.33plotasuccess spee_der
20:52.37Eulexxushi, backport it and amule.
20:52.47palluthere is a Xinerama-HOWTO.gz on my computer how can i read it?
20:52.53plotazless
20:52.55Spee_Derplota, thank you and you also.....  So far, so good......
20:52.56Eulex20080309 is in experimental.
20:52.57xushihang on, you two are a bit too fast for me, i'm starting with debian
20:53.06Eulexxushi, /msg dpkg ssb
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20:54.03helodondelelcaro: i knew they would be able to see my ssh traffic... ahh they wouldn't be able to steal your public key by seeing through the ssl encryption because of challenge-response auth, but they would still have been able to see the passwords... bah
20:54.10Spee_DerI'm havin a little with this file acroread-l10n-pt-br.
20:54.14Eulexboth wxgtk 2.8 and a very recent cvs amule is in experimental
20:54.45Spee_DerI can't seem to upgrade this file acroread-l10n-pt-br. I use Synaptic, but it can not handle the error.
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20:55.11Eulexhelo, 'steal your public key'
20:55.13dondelelcarohelo: of course! if they can see the traffic, they can see the passwords.
20:55.13xushiright, following that, it wants to install wx2.6, which i know doesn't work with the SVN release of amule. I'm guessing it still wants to install the old version
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20:55.35heloprivate, heh whatever
20:55.52Eulexxushi, right, which is why you want to backport 2.8.
20:56.05Spee_Derplota, what's up today ? Anything new ?
20:57.33xushiEulex: do you have any link on how to backport wx?
20:57.47xushii'm trying apt-get -b source libwxgtk2.8
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20:57.55Eulex!simple sid backport
20:57.55dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
20:58.06xushiyea, i'm following that
20:58.11Eulexbut add a deb-src line for experimental, not sid
20:58.13xushior libwxgtk, or wxgtk, or wx, but says unable to find a source package
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20:58.58Eulexxushi, experimental is the part of debian that is even more unstable than unstable :)
20:59.18jelly-homexushi, libwxgtk2.8-0
20:59.39xushihehe, can't i just install gtk+ somehow, then compile wxgtk myself ? :)
20:59.44Eulexxushi, oh, btw, what release of debian are you on?
20:59.49Eulexxushi, you could.
20:59.51xushierm, the latest stable
20:59.56jelly-homexushi, that's what you _are_ trying to do
21:00.05stewxushi: yes, they are trying to explain how to comiple wx yourself
21:00.17xushihang on, i'm trying to find out which line in sources.list to add 'experimental' to at the end
21:00.24Eulexxushi, none.
21:00.34xushiok then i'm terribly confused
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21:00.43plotanot really, just getting used to the korn shell
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21:00.50Eulexxushi, duplicate your current deb-src line, _replace_ stable/etch or whatever with experimental
21:01.00plota@ spee_der
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21:01.16xushii have 2 deb-src lines
21:01.22xushishall i do so with both?
21:01.31plotaand listening to some black label society
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21:01.41xushihttp://pastebin.ca/1026320
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21:01.46Eulexno, you just need 1 for experimental
21:01.55xushidoes it matter which one of those 2?
21:01.59Eulexxushi, yes.
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21:02.04Eulexxushi, the non-security one.
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21:03.43xushigives me an error
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21:03.56Eulexwhat error?
21:03.57xushihttp://pastebin.ca/1026322
21:04.05xushion apt-get update
21:04.16xushithis is how my line looks like
21:04.17xushideb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ main experimental
21:04.35streuneruh
21:04.42xushii hate being n00bish :)
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21:05.06Eulexxushi, 'experimental main'
21:05.28Eulexyou threw them around
21:05.51xushiwell, i'm learning by the minute...
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21:05.55xushiand we have action now!
21:06.38xushiand more errors :) sec,
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21:06.57xushihttp://pastebin.ca/1026326
21:07.32xushii like line 8 though..
21:09.51Eulexxushi, did you apt-get build-dep libwxgtk2.8-0 ?
21:10.22xushino sorry, i did "apt-get -b source libwxgtk2.8-0"
21:10.34Eulexyou need the build dependencies first
21:10.53xushiE: Build-Depends dependency for libwxgtk2.8-0 cannot be satisfied because the package python-all-dbg cannot be found
21:11.07xushithere must be a way to sort out all these dependencies ...
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21:12.59Eulexxushi, woops, looks like that one isn't in etch either. one more thing to backport if you would do backporting this way.
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21:13.55xushiwell, if i do the line above, replacing wxgtk2.8-0 with python-all-dbg, i get no results
21:14.15Eulexxushi, and backporting python 2.5 probably wouldn't be a good idea on a sarge system...
21:14.25Eulexxushi, that's because there's not python in experimental.
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21:14.43xushiso in short words, it's hopeless to get amule-cvs installed.
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21:14.55xushiare there any alternatives to amule for an ed2k client?
21:14.57Eulexxushi, no. I suggest you go back and try to manually compile it again.
21:15.17xushiEulex: i don't mind doing that. but remind me again, what do i do regarding the gtk+ error?
21:15.38g00seI get 'FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_4_686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt61.ko not found' despite the existence of /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt61.ko . Why so?
21:15.42markybobxushi, emule runs perfectly in wine, fyi
21:15.57markybobg00se, depmod -a
21:16.11xushimarkybob: yea, but as long as it also has a daemon, and a remote client, because i need those too
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21:16.25g00semarkybob: Trying - thanks
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21:17.24Eulexxushi, you install the development package of gtk: libgtk2.0-dev. you need development packages of a library to build stuff that needs that library.
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21:17.57xushithanks, that's the info i needed.. makes sense now
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21:18.55Eulexxushi, debian splits the library packages into normal and -dev packages because you normally don't need the development packages.
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21:19.37xushii think the only thing that i cannot still fully grasp, is apt's source list.
21:20.02xushiit's confusing.. how i add sources to it, how packages are displayed when searched, etc.. i think i'm too used to eix on gentoo
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21:20.05xushieye-candy
21:20.15AwesomeGuyanyone here ever use the program 'enscribe' it turns a picture into an audio spectogram and wav file, can anyone give me some help with it?
21:20.26Eulexxushi, man sources.list might be enlightening
21:20.34AwesomeGuyfor some reason, red turns into green :(
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21:22.13Eulexxushi, if you have any specific question, we could answer that too :)
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21:22.46xushiEulex: i know :) but it's too late in the day for such questions, i'll save them to another day when i'm actually working on them.
21:22.47xushithanks
21:22.53pjzis there a backport of checkinstall to etch?  The 1.5.3 version I've got is segfaulting
21:23.05xushii mean, so far i've never had a question unanswered here.. that's what makes me happy so far
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21:24.02abrotmanpjz: how did you install it?
21:24.16Eulexpjz, doesn't appear to be any. but it should be simple to backport.
21:24.30pjzabrotman: apt-get install checkinstall long long ago followed by a long series of upgrades
21:24.39abrotmanuh
21:24.43abrotman!ssb
21:24.43dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
21:25.29Eulexpjz, there's never been a checkinstall in etch. are you sure you're running a pure etch system?
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21:26.24pjzEulex: well, it's been debian since debian v0.97 or v1 or something, successively upgraded
21:26.36pjzEulex: and sometime in the last dozen years I installed checkinstall
21:26.41Eulexpjz, oh :)
21:26.42abrotmanpjz: dpkg -l checkinstall | tail -1
21:27.05pjzit's 1.5.3-3 if that's what you're wondering
21:27.35jelly-homepjz, this is what you get for never reinstalling, cruft all around!
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21:27.57abrotmanthat'de be from sarge
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21:28.23xushione more question.. links or lynx?
21:28.33jelly-homexushi, links2 or elinks.
21:28.38xushithanks
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21:28.56jelly-homeprefers elinks, but links2 has some advantages as well
21:29.12pjzjelly-home: USEFUL cruft :)
21:29.29pjzjelly-home: easier than hand-packaging random python stuff
21:29.38pjzor is there an easier way to do that stuff now?
21:29.45pjzI haven't kept up with the evolving python policy
21:29.48abrotman!ssb
21:29.48dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
21:30.10jelly-homepjz, meh, I still see no dh-make-python and the python policy is sooooooooo complicated
21:30.14abrotmanthere's also stow
21:30.28jelly-home!be a python packaging policy
21:30.32jelly-homebarbie.
21:30.36abrotmanhehe
21:31.02pjzmy personal python packaging policy: checkinstall python setup.py --prefix=/usr
21:31.21jelly-homepjz, that's sooo uncompliant!
21:31.36abrotmanwtf
21:32.30pjzjelly-home: but 1) it works, 2) I throw the .deb into a local repo so I can reproduce my install later from a backup
21:32.34jelly-homepjz, you ought to jump over hoops, compile .pyc in postinst, install in /usr/share/pycentral (sometimes) etc
21:32.56pjzjelly-home: sorry, I'm fresh out of dead chickens to wave over the kbd
21:33.04jelly-homeI hear ya
21:33.41pjzabrotman: oh, btw, the ssb instructions you gave me are medium broken because build-deps complains that I need a newer libc6-dev than what I have installed
21:33.56pjzabrotman: I'm working around by manually installing the rest of the stuff
21:34.29abrotmanoh yeah .. better plan
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21:36.08xushiif i want X *only* to plug in the machine to the TV and watch xvid movies, would xfce + mplayer be sufficient, or would gnome + it's player or kde + kmplayer be better?
21:36.17jelly-homegets a caffeinated phosphoric acid caramel soda beverage
21:36.30xushiallergic to caffeine
21:36.34abrotmanyou could just run mplayer
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21:37.00jelly-homeright
21:37.01pjzxushi: why bother with X? you should be able to run something straight on the framebuffer
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21:37.15xushiabrotman: i also need a gui file manager, like Rox on xfce
21:37.20jelly-homexushi, a minimal X wm and mplayer
21:37.22xushipjz: didn't know you could do that
21:37.24abrotmanwhy?
21:37.28moshiixushi: something with a directfb driver
21:37.45jelly-homepjz, fb drivers usually don't provide as much acceleration
21:37.47CyberianIcehi there
21:37.51pjzxushi: you can if whatever it is support directfb
21:38.05pjzjelly-home: oh, really? I guess I can see that.
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21:38.37CyberianIcei need some help
21:38.38jelly-homepjz, eg. I like to run mplayer with opengl output, that does bilinear interpolation "for free"
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21:38.51moshiijelly-home: only need basic acceleration for video though, you don't see much 2D stuff in todays hardware anyhow
21:39.04CyberianIcei do not know how to edit httpd.conf, please, who can help me
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21:39.15jelly-homemoshii, yeah, but I think blitting over fb = no accel at all
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21:39.30dustybini have a bind9 problem, if i ping server.mybox.com  it shows me a old local ip i set a while back, 192.168.0.5
21:39.33moshiiCyberianIce: What *exactly* do you want to do?
21:39.35dustybininside my zones file it says this
21:39.40dustybinserver           IN      A       192.168.0.10
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21:39.46jelly-homemoshii, or is there an equivalent of XVideo on fb these days?
21:39.50CyberianIcei can not locate configuration file
21:39.53CyberianIcefor apache2
21:40.00CyberianIceyou know
21:40.09moshiijelly-home: mmm I think directfb take advantage of any hardware that is usable..
21:40.10dustybin192.168.0.5 isnt mentioned anywhere in bind, so why is ping responding with that old local ip
21:40.11CyberianIcei need to setup some vhosts, etc.
21:40.24pjzdustybin: if you're running nscd, you need to /etc/init.d/nscd restart
21:40.25CyberianIcebut i can not find any httpd.conf on the filesystem
21:40.35moshiijelly-home:I can't remember if they hook onto the kernel fb drivers however
21:40.35pjzdustybin: also, makesure there's not a static mapping in your /etc/hosts file
21:40.38dustybinpjz: aye ill try
21:40.42antgelCyberianIce: read the debian apache2 docs
21:40.51antgel!tell CyberianIce -about usd
21:40.54peterrooneyCyberianIce: dpkg -L apache
21:40.56CyberianIceyeah, i am reading now
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21:41.04jelly-homeCyberianIce, zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz
21:41.12dustybinpjz: it was in my hosts file! thanks dude :-)
21:41.37CyberianIcei have configuration files
21:41.47CyberianIcebut i do not know where i can put them
21:41.55peterrooneyCyberianIce: or, depending, dpkg -L apache2 if that's what you have installed
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21:42.02jelly-homethe readme will clear up things a bit re: placement of vhosts
21:42.16CyberianIcei did not installed nothing
21:42.23CyberianIcei just rent some vserver
21:42.41abrotmanpeterrooney: wrong packages
21:42.45jelly-homeCyberGabber, someone installed it for you, then
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21:43.03jelly-homestupid xchat
21:43.13CyberianIcelolz
21:43.37moshiiI thought it was lulz these days, lol is AOL generation?
21:43.42AwesomeGuyI plugged in my camera. can I look at the pics on it without copying them to my hd?
21:43.49abrotmanCyberianIce: which version of debian?
21:44.08CyberianIceit's etch
21:44.11CyberianIcei think
21:44.17abrotmanmake sure
21:44.24CyberianIcehow can i be sure
21:44.46AwesomeGuy?
21:44.49pjznuke 'em from orbit
21:44.58pjzCyberianIce: cat /etc/debian_version
21:45.04moshiiAwesomeGuy: what type of camera?
21:45.12CyberianIce3.1
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21:45.37AwesomeGuydigital
21:45.40AwesomeGuy:P
21:45.45abrotmanCyberianIce: get your money back
21:45.50AwesomeGuynykon coolpix
21:46.00CyberianIcemay i ask why?
21:46.07moshiiAwesomeGuy: some work as a mass storage device, some use funny protocols
21:46.09abrotmanCyberianIce: this is a new virtual server?
21:46.13CyberianIceis 3.1 bad version?
21:46.21CyberianIceyes
21:46.22CyberianIcenew
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21:46.36AwesomeGuyin windows I can look at the files in a explorer window, so I guess it would work fine with windows
21:46.51abrotmanCyberianIce: the version they installed no longer has security support .. and hasn't since the end of march
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21:47.01AwesomeGuycan I mount it without copying the files onto my hdd and just work directly with the files
21:47.11CyberianIcethat's not a problem
21:47.19moshiiAwesomeGuy: plug it in and run dmesg,.. it'll probably come up as a mass storage device
21:47.24abrotmanCyberianIce: yes, it is
21:47.25CyberianIcei can upgrade system if there is a need
21:47.34abrotmanthere is a need
21:47.39moshiiAwesomeGuy: or you'll need gphoto/+frontend
21:48.06moshiiCyberianIce: 3.1 on a new vserver? ouch
21:48.20CyberianIceguys
21:48.32CyberianIceyou are scaring me
21:48.47CyberianIcei am not security freak
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21:48.59antgelCyberianIce: at least upgrade it to etch before you open ports to the public
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21:49.12AwesomeGuydmesg comes up with alot of stuff, where in it do I look for if it's a mass storage device?
21:49.19abrotman!sarge
21:49.19dpkgTen-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008.  Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  See also <oldstable>.
21:49.23CyberianIceouch
21:49.25antgelAwesomeGuy: at the eng
21:49.31antgel*end
21:49.32pumpkin0CyberianIce: i currently get 10-15 attacks on ssh per hour on my server.
21:49.34moshiiAwesomeGuy: should show partition tables etc
21:49.40CyberianIcebut, i am afraid to upgrade system
21:49.49moshiipumpkin0: denyhosts or similar installed?
21:49.54abrotmanthen have them install the correct version from scratch
21:49.54CyberianIcesomething can goes wrong
21:49.58AwesomeGuyusb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
21:49.58AwesomeGuyusb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice <-- these two have usb in them, is one the camera?
21:50.12pumpkin0moshii: the real ssh-server is listening on another port. It keeps the log clean ...
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21:50.21moshiiCyberianIce: as abrotman said, have them install etch properly
21:50.46moshiipumpkin0: I don't think denyhosts or fail2bn care about port
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21:51.56CyberianIcehmmm
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21:52.10CyberianIcei have once try to upgrade server
21:52.18CyberianIceto etch
21:52.39CyberianIcebut most of applications refused to work
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21:52.59Breakzi cant mount as root?
21:53.01moshiiCyberianIce: for what reason?
21:53.07CyberianIcei do not know
21:53.20CyberianIcefrom sarge to etch
21:53.31CyberianIceon 6 servers
21:53.34CyberianIcesame story
21:53.48abrotmanhire an admin
21:53.48pumpkin0Breakz: whats the error-msg.
21:53.51moshiiAwesomeGuy: it would seem so
21:54.12Breakzpumpkin0: mount: permission denied
21:54.20jelly-homeCyberianIce: php apps?
21:54.26AwesomeGuyok, how do I mount it so it doesn't copy the files to the hdd and I'm just working inside the camera itself
21:54.34CyberianIcewhat about php?
21:54.37pumpkin0Breakz: what command do you use?
21:54.51jelly-homeCyberianIce: "most of applications refused to work" ... what sort of apps were they?
21:54.52Breakzpumpkin0: mount
21:55.04moshiiAwesomeGuy: mount /dev/your_camera /your_mountpoint
21:55.05CyberianIcesystem apps
21:55.16pumpkin0Breakz: mount <something> <sometwhere> <options> ... ?
21:55.25CyberianIcedf, apache, squid, ...
21:55.36CyberianIcebind, ...
21:55.43AwesomeGuywhat is my camera in /dev?
21:55.53pumpkin0CyberianIce: did you install .tar.gz stuff ?
21:55.59abrotmanAwesomeGuy: use dmesg to find out
21:56.08Breakzpumpkin0: mount fil.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso966
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21:56.25pumpkin0Breakz: add "-o loop".
21:56.36abrotmaniso9660
21:56.39moshiiAwesomeGuy: the output of dmesg would have told you
21:56.49AwesomeGuyusb 2-1?
21:56.56Breakzpumpkin0: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
21:57.04CyberianIcedoes anybody know where server configuration is stored at debian+apache 2.0 ?
21:57.07stewAwesomeGuy: what brand of camera is it?
21:57.11pumpkin0Breakz: which debian version do you use ?
21:57.17abrotmanCyberianIce: upgrade your system
21:57.19Breakzlenny/sid
21:57.29CyberianIcehmm
21:57.34pumpkin0Breakz: lenny or sid ?
21:57.46CyberianIceguys, i will upgrade it
21:57.52stewCyberianIce: /etc/apache2 but what version of debian are you running?  you should have apache 2.2?
21:57.56CyberianIceafter i consult with my admin
21:58.04CyberianIceoh, boy
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21:58.17CyberianIcewhy i should have the newest applications?
21:58.19Breakzpumpkin0: how to see that? i forgot (a)
21:58.30abrotmanCyberianIce: your system has no security support AT ALL
21:58.33CyberianIcephp5, apache 2.2, mysql 5, ...
21:58.37stewCyberianIce: you shouldn't,  its just that you should have the ones which are getting security updates
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21:58.44pumpkin0Breakz: cat /etc/debian_version
21:58.52CyberianIceOk
21:58.57AwesomeGuyit's saying /dev/usb 2-1 doesn't exist
21:59.00CyberianIcei will upgrade system
21:59.03Breakzcat /etc/debian_version
21:59.03Breakzlenny/sid
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21:59.14CyberianIcei will set cron to get fixes evry hour
21:59.21CyberianIceand then we will see
21:59.39pumpkin0Breakz: OK, so you mixed sid and lenny. Now all bets are off and strange things will happen.
21:59.42pjzwhere's there a basic debian packaging howto?
22:00.05moshiipjz: you want the new maintainer howto
22:00.15Breakzpumpkin0: no other way to extract or open an .ISO?
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22:00.25CyberianIceC-Ya later, coz i do not belive that system upgrade will show me where httpd.conf is located
22:00.58pumpkin0Breakz: the normal way is mount -o loop -t iso9660 file mountpoint. But with a borked system... stuff will fail in interessting ways.
22:01.11stewCyberianIce: i already told you where
22:01.40Breakzeverything else works fine, but not the mounting? >..
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22:03.05pjzthanks guys
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22:03.19pumpkin0Breakz: with a system like that? Maybe you killed the kernel loop-module. Maybe you killed something else.
22:04.25Breakzpumpkin0: its been running nice and easy for 2 years already with just 1 shutdown (wich was 2 months or so ago to update the kernel) and no errors/problems but userproblems :s and it cant mount? x/
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22:04.40heloanyone know why ipmasq's rules are not permitting me to ping from the nat box?
22:05.41pumpkin0Breakz: if the new kernel just misses loop-support? It's not needed for normal operation.
22:06.00moshiipumpkin0: it'll be built as a module
22:06.03heloit looks like ipmasq is coming up before my network devices do, so it is broken
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22:06.39moshiihelo: there isn't a wait for interface option? there is in firehol
22:06.57pumpkin0Breakz: Just a geuss: run "modprobe loop". any errors?
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22:09.20Breakzmodprobe: Can't open dependencies file
22:09.32Breakzhmmm? :s modprobe not working :s
22:09.45stewBreakz: try "depmod -a" first
22:09.46pumpkin0Breakz: "depmod" ?
22:11.19Breakz-bash: depmod: command not found
22:11.23diabel-Can somebody help me?, I need "libjbig", I tried to search via apt-cache search ,but I didn't found anything like this package, Can somebody known how it's named this package?
22:11.23Breakzlol
22:11.31adamaI have a PS3 drive hooked up with a USB-SATA adapter, and fdisk /dev/sdb says "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel" ...does that mean it's borked or is that normal
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22:12.17pumpkin0Breakz: you mixed sid and lenny. You should reinstall.
22:12.25diabel-?
22:12.34Breakzwhat reinstall? no wai
22:12.40moshiiadama: does the ps3 use a normal partition table? it maybe locked too
22:12.42Breakzthen no mounting x/
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22:12.51Breakzthx anyways pumpkin0 x/
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22:12.58goauldhi
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22:13.39JordiGHCan you think of a simple way to run regexps or Perlisms on Vorbis tags? Tagtool is nice, but I want a bit finer control (e.g. capitalising the first letter of every word).
22:14.18goauldi need to give file access to my server to a person using windows (over internet), i was thinking ftp is not easy enough
22:14.24goauldwhat do you think about webdav?
22:14.42goauldand cifs over internet ?
22:14.50moshiigoauld: upload aswell as download
22:14.58adamamoshii: I don't know
22:15.01moshiigoauld: ?
22:15.06goaulduh?
22:15.22goauldyes
22:15.27moshiiadama: I doubt the ps3 uses as pc-style partition table as it isn't a pc
22:15.44JordiGHgoauld: What's unsimple about ftp? All major graphical web browswers nowadays also have an ftp client.
22:15.45moshiigoauld: webdav or maybe some little php script then
22:16.17goauldweb browsers doesnt support upload of files
22:16.18goauld:(
22:16.51goauldits about to make him things as easy as drag and drop and i dont know what service to set up
22:17.07goauldftp is an option of course
22:17.25pumpkin0goauld: even windows explorer can show ftp-server like normal local partitions.
22:17.37goauldyes?
22:17.43goauldare u sure
22:17.48vjoebye
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22:18.08goauldpumpkin0: can you upload files to ftp server using windows explorer,exe ?
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22:18.22pumpkin0goauld: and if he maps them (it's a 3-clicks-thing) they even show up in every normal programm.
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22:18.51pumpkin0goauld: yes. (if the system is updated and not a XP SP 0 from 2004... )
22:19.20goauldgreat
22:19.22goauld:D
22:19.42xushiis there anyway to install w32codecs on amd64?
22:20.02goauldi tried with firefox and it didnt let uploading of files
22:20.11jelly-homethat question should be "is there a way to make w32codecs _work_"
22:20.13goauldmaybe explorer is better
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22:20.35goauldpumpkin0: thanks
22:20.52JordiGHI've got all the encumbered formats working here, but I don't think w64codecs had anything to do with (just musing unhelpfully)
22:20.53moshiixushi: you need 64bit codecs
22:21.03xushii cannot find any, where from?
22:21.06xushior what are they called?
22:21.08blizzowIs there an easy way to update only my openssh-server and openssh-client packages without doing a bunch of holdbacks?
22:21.10moshiixushi: there are packages iirc, but I dont know how well they work
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22:21.26xushiavifile-mad-plugin ?
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22:21.32moshiixushi: w64codecs, they are on debian multimedia iirc
22:22.09xushimoshii: i owe you a guinness...
22:22.15JordiGHxushi: I think that debian-multimedia has some xine or gstreamer libraries that play all the patented stuff.
22:22.39moshiineeds a guinness
22:23.18JordiGHxushi: Just go to Debian multimedia and install stuff randomly until all the movies play. That's more or less what I did. ;-)
22:23.41moshiiJordiGH: I like that!
22:24.19JordiGHInstalling VLC seems to drag along a bunch of useful stuff.
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22:25.42xushiworks. w64codecs did the job, with the right -vo selection in gmplayer
22:26.47Kamazequick & short, is lenny "useable"? I intend to give it a try as Dom0 for xen.
22:26.56moshiiI found the 64bit real codec played streams all fucked up.. */
22:26.58moshii:/
22:27.29moshiiKamaze: lenny is a moving target, its shouldnt become broken but it might
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22:27.49Kamazemhm yes, but
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22:28.10Kamazemoshii, gentoo, debian etch, ubuntu gutsy/hardy didn't work as expected
22:28.12Kamazeas Dom0
22:28.26zyx386stew, hi my Friends
22:28.27JordiGHKamaze: It's useful, it works, but it might break, and sometimes it does.
22:28.33moshiidoes lenny have workable dom0 kernels...
22:28.52Kamazehttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686 << found that
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22:29.09zyx386how can become the debian online book as html file, will translate it ? stew
22:29.12moshiiKamaze: but is that a dom0 kernel or a domu one?
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22:29.34Kamazei dunno
22:29.39Kamaze*don't know
22:30.12Kamazeshould be both O_o
22:31.07xushiis there a way to auto-login to X (fluxbox) without installing gdm or kdm? they seem too extreme just for that feature
22:31.22karstenxushi: yes
22:31.35xushikarsten: enlighten me
22:31.43karstenxushi: launch a script as some unprivileged user at startup or via init.
22:31.56karstenxushi: Is this for some sort of kiosk?  Or your own system?
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22:32.09karstenbbiam
22:32.23xushikarsten: which file do i edit? or what do i do? i'm not sure of the exact specifics
22:32.40goauldevery time my sound's card volume is very low, i used alsactl store to save settings with high volume but low volume start ups still persist anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
22:33.28bitweilercould someone help me with sound problems: http://pastebin.ca/1026416
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22:34.08dustybinis there a way of removing any unused packages / libraries what might be installed on ones system?
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22:34.45dustybin/dev/hda3              4.0G   2.7G   1.1G  71% /usr   <--- im trying to reduce the size of this
22:34.46DustyDingohm, i got a movie with a mono audio track and it is only played on one speaker
22:34.52JordiGHdustybin: Have you been using aptitude?
22:34.57dustybinJordiGH: apt
22:35.14JordiGHdustybin: apt-get? Then the answer becomes more complicated. :-/
22:35.19goauldbitweiler: cat /proc/asound/devices      ; cat /proc/asound/cards
22:35.20dustybinyep
22:35.33DustyDingoany tips how i can reencode and/or play it so i can listen it on both stereo speakers?
22:35.55dustybinJordiGH: apt-get remove --unused
22:35.58dustybinsomething like that
22:36.06JordiGHdustybin: deborphan might work, but from what I remember it's a little too aggressive in what it considers unused packages.
22:36.15dustybinok..
22:36.32JordiGH"You don't really need X, do you? We can remove it."
22:36.39dustybinhehe
22:36.42JordiGHI *think* that apt-get recently got some Ubuntu patches for autoremove, but I haven't used apt-get in Debian since 2006.
22:36.59moshiiDustyDingo: if it really is mono itll just play the same track on both sides
22:37.01dustybindoes dpkg -l tell you whats used and not
22:37.25JordiGHNo, dpkg is too dumb for that.
22:37.30dustybinok
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22:37.44JordiGHdpkg, ur dumb, lol
22:37.44dpkgJordiGH: I give up, what is it?
22:37.47JordiGHSee?
22:38.33dustybindeborphan --guess-all
22:38.50DustyDingomoshii: so its actually stereo and one channel is completly muted i guess
22:39.17moshiiDustyDingo: open it up in audacity and have a look
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22:39.21dustybinJordiGH: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/cruft
22:39.35JordiGHdustybin: btw, you really should be using aptitude. It's much smarter than apt-get. If you don't like its feature of considering recommended packages as dependencies by default, you can get rid of it.
22:39.36bitweilergoauld: /proc/asound/cards has my sound chip listed && /proc/asound/devices has some control audio playback, capture, and timer stuff listed
22:39.45moshiiDustyDingo: you could fix it with audacity too
22:39.53karstenxushi: Very honestly, using GNOME or KDE in kiosk mode is going to be a lot more straightforward.
22:40.10DustyDingomoshii: i think it could be done with mencoder too
22:40.13xushikarsten: i'm on fluxbox. gnome or kde are way too heavy for this machine
22:40.22karstenxushi: Otherwise, you can look at the xinit process and modify it yourself.  I don't have a specific method to point you to.
22:40.52karstenxushi: You should be able to specify *what* WM you start.  KDM AFAIK makes that pretty easy.
22:40.54dustybinJordiGH: you can use deborphan to guess, then you could manually remove them yourself
22:41.38xushikarsten: yea, but the problem is, kdm and gdm install a ton of useless dependencies
22:41.46DustyDingouh strange, mencoder isn't in official testing repositories=
22:41.48DustyDingo?
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22:42.10karstenxushi: I've told you all I've got time to do at the moment.
22:42.11JordiGHDustyDingo: patent issues, probably.
22:42.25karstenxushi: You decide:  install dependencies or sort out how to code what you want yourself.
22:42.40moshiimplayer is in testing now isnt it?
22:42.52selimcan someone help me with an uw-imap ipopd installation?
22:43.09selimsomehow my system won't recognize my authentification
22:43.15JordiGHmplayer is.
22:43.43Internatmorning alll.. anyone in here ever have issues with courier-imap and fam/gamd where you keep getting input/output errors?
22:43.54xushi=/
22:43.59karstenInternat: I/O errors where?
22:44.00moshiijhulst: I suppose encoding is another matter patent-wise.. sucks
22:44.10Internatmail log..
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22:44.30karstenxushi: /etc/X11/Xsession.d and /etc/X11/Xsession
22:45.00karstenxushi: In general, look through those files and/or manpages.  You can rig something up if you want.  I'm not going to dig through it for you though.
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22:46.04xushino worries, will figure it out
22:46.34InternatMay 23 06:34:54 broken imapd: maildirwatch_started: Input/output error
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22:48.54goauldbitweiler: do you have udev package installed ?
22:49.15DustyDingoso i still have to go for debianmultimedia repository *grml*
22:49.47bitweilergoauld: yes according to apt-get
22:50.12bitweileri just installed alsa-base though
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22:50.29moshiiDustyDingo: better than not having it at all ;)
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22:52.18goauldbitweiler: install alsa-utils too
22:52.42goauldand use alsamixer
22:53.46goauldanyway u should have /dev/dsp
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22:53.58streunerInternat: did you check smartmontools yet?
22:54.15goauldis it a custom kernel of yours?
22:55.21Internaterr
22:55.22Internatwhy would i be checking smartmontools?
22:55.31bitweilergoauld: nope the default debian etch 4.0r3 kernel from CD
22:55.33Internat(its not the hdd failing if thats what your thinking)
22:55.58bitweilerhow do I use alsamixer?
22:55.58streunerInternat: Io/out errors reminds me always to that issue :-)
22:56.05streuneror FS issues...
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22:56.19goauldjust time alsamixer from a root account
22:56.34goauldit should show you the sound card channels
22:56.38karstenstreuner: I don't think it's disk errors, I was thinking that myself.
22:56.55goauldand levels of volumes for each channel
22:57.01Internati remember when i was using fam there was a post, its not actually an input/output issue its a code issue where somone put the wrong msgs in, but i thought i had it fixed but apparently not :?
22:57.02karstenInternat: Might want to check on a courier/imap discussion, that's a bit specific for here.
22:57.20bitweilermaster is turn off, should it be
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22:57.32Internatyeah ok ill jump over to the courier area :)
22:57.35Internatthanks anyway
22:57.35goauldpess M to turn it on
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22:57.56goauldall channels on, un mute them, and level all up
22:58.06JordiGHIs it safe as far as Debian is concerned to wipe /usr/local? Debian doesn't install anything there, right?
22:58.21goauldthen use # alsactl store
22:58.23goauldto save changes
22:58.45bitweilergoauld: how do i level up all channels
22:58.52goauldwith cursor keys
22:58.57goauldand tab key
22:59.22goauldm = mute/unmute
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23:08.58eyerisIs there any apt cmd that will upgrade only the packages on my system with a upstream version change (versus just a package version change)?
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23:11.35bitweilerso sh MAKEDEV audio should make /dev/dsp , right
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23:12.02streunerno
23:12.17streuner/dev/dsp is OSS
23:12.20karstenbitweiler: Not with udev, in general.  Installing the audio modules should, IIUC.
23:12.21eyerisbitweiler /dev/dsp gets created automatically by udev
23:14.21streuneryou need to use OSS or ALSA (in this case, you have use snd emulation module for ALSA)
23:14.50bitweilerwhat are the audio modules? apt-get install alsa-modules says E: can't find alsa-modules
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23:17.54streuner!alsa
23:17.54dpkgALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture.  Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, or <alsa firmware>
23:18.17GhostlyDeath|LptI think Advanced should be changed to Awesome
23:18.49streunerALSA just works here on different chipset like a charm, so what?
23:21.05dustybinALSA doesnt auto detect USB sound cards
23:21.12dustybinone has to manually install drivers for those
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23:27.11streunerdustybin: feel free to send patches
23:27.42dustybinstreuner: do you except patches coded in C64 BASIC ?
23:27.47dustybinaccept
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23:29.58jelly-home(say yes, I can't wait to see a patch in DATA lines)
23:30.14advis there a console msn app?
23:31.11asgadv: /msg dpkg search
23:33.13gpmnaim maybe? i think naim only does aim though
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23:33.27gpm!info naim
23:33.43abrotmancentericq
23:33.45abrotmanfinch
23:33.55asgor bitlbee ftw
23:33.56dpkgnaim: (A console client for AOL Instant Messenger and IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 0.11.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 191 kB, Installed size: 420 kB
23:34.01gpmoh and irc
23:34.28abrotman!info centericq
23:34.31abrotman!info finch
23:34.33dpkgfinch: (text-based multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 311 kB, Installed size: 664 kB
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23:34.41goauld!ftp
23:34.41dpkgsomebody said ftp was (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine.
23:34.44asg!beat abrotman with albatros testicles
23:34.44dpkgbeats abrotman with albatros testicles with a large stick.
23:34.54abrotmanyay!
23:35.00gpmthat makes no sense
23:35.03gpmfinch looks nice
23:35.18gpmdo albatroses have notoriously big balls or something?
23:35.19abrotmanfix the damn radeonfb!
23:35.35adamasomeone give me a massage
23:35.42gpm!massage adama
23:35.43asggpm: biggest pair you've ever seen dingleberry
23:35.44JordiGHWell, they have big wings. I guess everything about them is big.
23:35.46asgadv: no
23:35.48bitweiler<PROTECTED>
23:35.49asgmeh
23:35.53reZowhat bit / resolution can usplash support up to?
23:35.59bitweilerWoot, Woot!
23:36.13gpmasg: the biggest pair i've clapped eye on have belonged to me
23:36.42asgENOSENSE
23:36.45gpmreZo: i think that depends more on your monitor than usplash
23:36.48jelly-homeUnencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as ssh users with etch ssh keys
23:37.05JordiGHjelly-home: Ouch. :-(
23:37.08abrotmanunfixed ssh keys!
23:37.17asg!unfix abrotman
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23:37.31asgwell, we could always ...
23:37.32jelly-home!fix unabrotman
23:37.32dpkgtakes unabrotman to the vet for a "special" visit.
23:37.35gpmwhat's fixed about him?
23:37.42gpmlol, interesting take
23:37.44asggpm: /msg dpkg nodm
23:37.59gpmasg: thanks?
23:38.08lerothere's some gain talking about performance running amd64 instead of i386? (normal application, desktop usage)
23:38.12asggpm: may mistake, disregard
23:38.16asg*my
23:38.18gpmnp
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23:40.22Demosthenesso i use lprng, and i'm trying to install an app that wants cups. apt says it'll remove lprng, isn't there a way to prevent that (pinning?)
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23:41.13gpm!fart
23:41.13dpkgfarts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!"
23:41.31gpmok i'll stop
23:41.32leroamd64 is faster than i386?
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23:42.01flyinprogramersomeone wanna help me get beryl working with debian etch ?
23:42.09flyinprogrameror compiz
23:42.15flyinprogrameri don't care which
23:42.21flyinprogrameri just want awesome cubeness
23:42.28markybob_lero, minimally.  /j #debian-amd64
23:42.31flyinprogramermaybe it would be easier to install with ubuntu
23:42.45jelly-homeprobably
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23:43.45antgelflyinprogramer: you wanna read the docs?
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23:47.13moshiilero: for specific tasks
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23:52.27Bushmillslero, in general, 64 bit is slightly slower than 32 bit. except for specific applications.
23:52.53Bushmillsthat excludes any amd/intel architecture differences
23:53.06JordiGHUhm, isn't it backwards? The same except slightly slower on some architectures?
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23:53.42JordiGHBtw, does it matter significantly that I'm using amd64 on an Intel processor? I didn't realise that there was an Intel-specific 64bit arch. :-/
23:54.06markybobJordiGH, that's different.  that for itanium
23:54.13moshiiJordiGH: ia64 is different
23:54.28JordiGHOh.
23:54.29moshiiJordiGH: x86 64 is just longer/more registers
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23:55.00JordiGHI know... And some flops are a little slower. But do applications really perform that many flops? Most of the bottlenecks are I/O.
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23:55.23themillJordiGH: if amd64 works on your machine then ia64 won't.
23:55.32BushmillsJordiGH: AMD is better for running 32 bit apps in 64 bit mode. intel 64bit goes down in performance when it tries to.
23:55.37moshiiJordiGH: encryption tasks will be faster
23:55.54Bushmillsat least, that was the case a while ago. not sure about contemporary intel designs
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23:56.00kylehjinI have an ASUS laptop with many keys that I can activate as secondary functions by pressing "Fn" such as volume and screen brightness and screenshots and play/pause for media.  None of these work in Debian but I just booted to an Ubuntu live CD and they work by default
23:56.02kylehjinNow I don't want to switch to Ubuntu but I have no idea how to configure these keys in Debian
23:56.03moshiiBushmills: their emulation must be using the extra registers then
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23:56.20themillkylehjin: /msg dpkg multimedia keys
23:56.22kylehjinAlso there's an area o my touchpad that is for scrolling that doesn't work in Debian but does in Ubuntu
23:56.28moshiikylehjin: you say ubuntu like its some threat to make us help you
23:56.42themillkylehjin: /msg dpkg synaptics
23:56.44JordiGHmoshii: It is a threat, but we do not negotiate with terrorists.
23:56.50StereoSkitdudes, i just installed asterisk in etch and i want it to interact with mysql, does anyones knows if theres a package for this? (apt-cache search shows nothing related)
23:57.06BushmillsJordiGH: but "not slowing down" doesn't mean "speeding up"
23:57.28moshiinotes someone on the register is making out that the openssl problem caused millions of pounds of damage
23:57.30JordiGHBushmills: Of course not. I've seen number-crunching slowing down on 64bit archs. It does happen, slightly.
23:57.46Bushmillsgeneral case.
23:57.52JordiGHBushmills: But I do think slowdown is the exception rather than the rule.
23:58.08moshiiBushmills: The intel microcode is porbably a lot more lazy in ia32 mode
23:58.16antgel!wayttd StereoSkit
23:58.16dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, StereoSkit?
23:58.21moshiiBushmills: I wonder which is closer to a real ia32 machine though
23:58.21Bushmills64 bit makes probably sense only where actual 64 bit quantities, be it data or addresses, are involved.
23:58.40abrotmanmoshii: theregister overreacting ... news at 11
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23:58.49goauldalways same talking 32 vs 64
23:58.57goauld128 is better
23:59.01goauld256 even better
23:59.07Bushmillsgoauld: better for what?
23:59.11moshiiabrotman: yeah, there doesnt seem to be a good news site that sint full of idiots nows
23:59.16goauldbigger number
23:59.21JordiGHTWO TO THE ONE MILLIONTH POWAH
23:59.24moshiigoauld: custom ASIC FTW
23:59.24goauldso its better for everything
23:59.31goauldlol
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